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All right, seeing as how it's 6:30,
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uh the Kodiak Island Burough Planning
and Zoning Commission work session here

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in the Assembly Chambers. Today is
Wednesday, September 9th, 2026.

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We would like to inform you guys,
whoever is listening and or tuning in.

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Unfortunately, we are having some issues
with our recorder. It's malfunctioning.

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So, I apologize for that. Um, and we'll
try and get that working or keep our

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fingers crossed that it continues.

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All right. With that being said, can we
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Are you calling for a roll call, chair?
>> Sorry. Yes. Calling for a roll call.

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» Mr. Nef
>> here.

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» Mr. Dagan,
>> present. Miss Craig

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» here, Miss Williamson
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» and Mr. Delgado
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» You have a quorum.
>> All right, that moves on to citizens

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comments. Citizens comments are limited
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comments, call the local number at
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3231 or toll-free number 855492-9202.

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Comments are for general topics only.
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uh wishing to make a comment, please um
stand at the podium, state your name,

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sign in, and speak to the commission as
a whole. Thank you.

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Okay, seeing as we've got no phone calls
and no comments, we'll go ahead and rem

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continue to the packet review. Um, first
thing on the packet is a Kodiak Island

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Bureau case 27-007,
the administrative request for disposal

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of portions. Vice Chair,
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» Can you please go back and do items for
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» Oh, sorry. Thank you.
>> Okay. Items for discussion. Plan 2045,

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chapter 2, land use draft review. Chris.
>> Yes. Thank you. Uh I'll have Brahman put

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up some documents online or up on the
screen here uh because we didn't get to

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cover them uh last work session because
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didn't talk about the first time we
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July. So there's a couple things here.
one is the uh uh the document design for

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plan 2045. So the what's attached to the
uh agenda as for chapter 2 is not it's

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just the word document. So it's not the
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that's what we have attached here is
kind of what the front page would look

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like if Ramen wants to scroll through
that kind of gives you an idea of how

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the chapter covers are how we break how
we break out some design in interior of

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each chapter. Uh we do have some text
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context. Same thing with maps and things
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the design will look like. It'll just
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throughout the pages but it'll have
similar designs. Uh and sometimes based

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on the type what the subject of each
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photographs and so on are used as well.
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design would be. Uh and also the next
document would be is an updated timeline

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for plan 2045 which factors in uh this
process. And so and we're at that end

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stage here where it's starts in August
of 26. Uh this is the stage where uh the

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commission will be reviewing uh chapters
making comments. uh staff will take

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those comments back, make any necessary
changes, and then we go on to the

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assembly for um additional review by the
assembly uh at work sessions. We'll make

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any changes that they have to the
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process, we will put the the document
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earlier, and that will be what will be
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usually between 30 and 60 days uh to the
public to respond to that. Uh and then

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once that's done uh we'll make any uh
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on comments received and then we will go
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the public hearing process before the
the assembly and then eventually before

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um uh the excuse me before the
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that. Any kind of questions on on that
process? So, we're in that we're in that

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beginning stages of the process where
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chapters and uh chap chapter drafts and
then the assembly will also review

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drafts uh after the commission has
reviewed them. And what we have for

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chapter 2's draft is before you brain
can put that up. Um I'm just going to

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briefly go through it because I just
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that's designed. It's no it's of course
a lot smaller than the last chapter

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where we had 130 pages but the
introduction chapter includes a lot of

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things that are not necessarily
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background information. Uh whereas the u
the land use chapter talks about

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different things. So we go over current
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would include uh regulatory framework of
for land use decisions and also codes uh

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land ownership and use. We talk about
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special areas that uh have some special
distinction. Uh we also do issue

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identification which is all part of that
initial phase of the of the plan where

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we had public meetings regarding
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Those topics will be end up becoming
chapters. And so that uh issue

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identification is there. And then we
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map. If you remember, the commission's
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land use map at a previous uh meeting, I
believe, back in July, I think. And then

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uh I talk a little bit about the new
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together in terms of what are the the
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the last two parts are the kind of the
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objectives, and policies. And it's
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is under the goal and then policies are
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outlined here. And uh we have uh really
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objectives underneath that and then
policies under that. So uh again if the

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commission has any uh questions on those
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that you may have after the meeting
that's fine as well. And then also the

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last part of the chapter is the
implementation which is basically uh

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it's a table of uh objectives and
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be implemented and things that we would
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in terms of how they are implemented and
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Any questions on on that? I know that's
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many pages as chapter one. It's still,
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» Yes, Mr. Nef.
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the burrow has only you have listed only
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actually owns.
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got from our GIS staff in terms of what
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» And that's including land like out Bay
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» it should include all that information.
Yeah. all that all those properties.

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» Oh, so yeah, you got a map showing what
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of
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be adding those. I will tell you our GS
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» Okay.
>> Yeah, I'll be making those maps when I

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have time to make them. So, but we will
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information and other things as well.
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that. Mostly curious. So, all right.
Thanks. and we will make sure we yeah

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we'll be bringing those maps to you all
in the in the you know the when it comes

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for you for public hearing you'll have
those all those maps in there as well

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» I just wanted to say that there's a lot
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I watched the deal last night for the uh
assembly candidates and one of the

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question was where do you think it is
areas that are maybe under paid or not

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enough money for them. And I think that
part this here is I mean it's like that

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throughout the burrow. But um for the
work that you guys go and the amount of

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detail that you have to go through the
pages that you provide for us to read um

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you do a lot of work and it um helps us
do our job very well. So, I just want to

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acknowledge um that a lot of the
background work that is done by the

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bureau we don't people don't see, but um
I commend you for what you've done so

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far. This looks good to me. Well, and I
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most of the if not all of the goals,
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were things that we received from public
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uh in other types of activities uh that
that people citizens participated in um

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throughout the process. That'll be the
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chapters too. It's all based on what
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feedback and we use that to to create
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policies that fall under those.

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And as I said, if anybody has any
questions on any specific thing, please

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feel free to email me. I will respond to
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think has a maybe there's an error or
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we go forward. Thank you.

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» All right. Now, we can move on to the
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Uh, case Kodiak Island Burough. Case
27-007,

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the administrative request for disposal
of portions of the burough properties

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USS 3468 and 3467, Lot One.
Chris, do you got follow up on that?

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Thank you.

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uh community development received an
application from the uh burough manager.

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This is based on uh recommendations from
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burough's lands committee regarding uh
the uh Beaver Lake properties. Uh these

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are two burrow properties as you
mentioned in your um discussion. Uh the

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proposal that went through the burough
lands committee was disposal of portions

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of those properties. Those are outlined
in the staff report that's attached uh

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to this agenda item. Um
staff has reviewed the application

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against approved plans for the area as
well as the 2008 comprehensive plan. Uh

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staff recommended that the portions of
the subject properties be retained and

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not disposed of. uh staff has created
findings and resolutions for both a

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disposal which is which is resolution A
and retention which is resolution B. Uh

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there are proposed findings within each
of those resolutions that support uh

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those uh resolutions. Uh title 18 which
is our lands uh title regulations for

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the burrow requires that the commission
review burough land disposals to

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determine whether the properties are
surplus or not. And based on that

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determination, a resolution is required
either for disposal or for retention of

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the subject properties. Those
resolutions are a recommendation on to

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the burough assembly who will make the
final uh determination on whether uh a

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property is disposed of or not. And and
if it is disposed, they will um discuss

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how it will be disposed, what what
method and what any kind of conditions

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that are uh attached to that.
We have received comments. I know in the

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staff report attached to here, I have
not updated it, which I will do for the

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regular meeting next week. I think we
have about 14 comments in opposition to

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disposing of of the portions of these
two properties. Uh so I just wanted to

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let you all know that. Uh but all 14
comments are attached to the work

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sessions uh agenda item. So you should
have those in front of you on your

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screens. Uh if you have any questions,
I'll be happy to answer those.

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Let's say that per we
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Uh I know that in a number of the or a
few of the comments that were made um it

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seems like these properties keep coming
up to talk about it when uh I think at

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this point I'm thinking that we uh the
history of the US is to just pave

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everything over and um with leaving very
few little green space and especially

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around rake lakes and rivers and streams
I think it's important to keep those

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things more natural uh in order to keep
our land

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um habitable. So, how long
will this be off the table if we vote to

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keep it that way? Uh I I I know we're
not supposed to tie the hands of future

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um
uh as um members,

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but at some point we have to try to
leave them there as it is.

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» I mean, it's it's difficult for me to
say that, you know, something's

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completely off the table for for
potential disposal. What I will say is

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in terms of our recommendation to the
commission is based on the plans that we

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have before us and that that would be
the comprehensive plan and also the

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specific plan that was updated back when
these properties were uh reszoned to the

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natural use district. Uh and unlike some
of the other properties like when you

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all looked at the Island Lake properties
that was uh public use lands district

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and the portion that was proposed for
disposal was not currently being used

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for a public use. In this case, it's not
really being necessarily designated as a

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public use. It's designated as a natural
use, which in other words, you're

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leaving it basically leaving it alone. I
mean, you can have trails and there are

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trails on these properties, but
typically you're not developing them

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when they're in the natural use uh
district and as well as they're in the

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natural use land use designation uh for
the comprehensive plan as well. So,

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that's why staff is recommending
uh to retain them. uh the assembly

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always has the ability to uh you know
they'll of course the commission has the

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ability to send their recommendation uh
just like the burough lands committee

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has and it's again it gets up to the
assembly about making that final

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decision and there's nothing that I know
of that can you know restrict that from

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happening uh that they have the ability
to dispose of you know say they're going

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to dispose of it in a certain way uh
again what was before you is not

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disposing of the entirety of the two
properties but you know rather small

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portions of the properties and uh so I
will just clarify that it's not the full

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extent of the properties but smaller
pieces of the property that are adjacent

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to the existing roadways uh primarily
because those locations have existing

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public water and sewer facilities uh to
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» Um so you're recommending that we don't
dispose of them or you're Um staff's

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recommending that they be retained which
is mean which means not to dispose of

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them.
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» Yes. And again that's based on the
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that was approved for the for this area

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» where we are showing um partial one two
three and four. just so we're clear

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which partials
are the ones in question.

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» So it's really so on the so you know
none of those partials have been

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created. So those pieces would have to
be created. So if the uh if the assembly

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does dispose of it, they'll be disposing
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in terms of how that's handled, whether
you do a subdivision first or as a

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subdivision afterwards, the
recommendation from the lands committee

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was that they be disposed of through a
request for proposals. And so the the

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request for proposals could also include
u the subdivision of the the initial

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subdivision of the properties uh off
from the main parcel. So kind of what

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you see there is kind of what the lands
committee had submitted in terms of what

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they consider would be the the primary
properties and that's really the the the

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wooded areas that have those parcel
numbers over them. Uh not really the not

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the really the lake itself or any of the
other pieces. So again, it's it's hard

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for me to say because we have not done a
subdivision of those and that would have

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to be done later as part of, you know,
it's discussed as part of the request

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for proposals that will be discussed at
the assembly level.

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Um, as far as staff considering that
natural use and what options are there

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in the burrow,
what options do we have to provide

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public for land that aren't something
like this that people would not complain

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about and say not in my backyard type
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» I mean, you don't I mean, even if you
were were to attempt to develop this

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property, it would not be certainly easy
to do. all the easy property I think

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that the burrow owns that could be
easily developed that had certainly

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public water and sewer to them. There's
very little of that and where you and

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where you have any they do have
constraints whether it's that they're

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wet or they have wetlands or they have
steep steep slopes or whatever it might

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be there's there's always going to be
some constraints there and which makes

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it difficult to develop. Uh there is,
and this is something we've talked about

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at the lands committee, there are quite
a few privately owned properties that

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are probably more easily developed than
say the burough properties are. uh and

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incentivizing how you incentivize those
properties to to be developed is

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certainly something that I think the
assembly will uh should look at and it's

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something that we're recommending in in
the new comprehensive plan that we look

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at what could be done to try to
incentivize development of existing

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private land that has access to public
water and sewer.

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» I'm not really aware of a lot of private
land like that. That's kind of

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» I can get you a map. There's a map that
has gone to the lands committee about uh

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what private land is out there that's
that's vacant.

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» Okay. Yeah, I'd like to see that.

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» I think this is um just a a tricky one
because like you said, there isn't a lot

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of land out there. Um
when was the comp the last comprehensive

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plan made that we're we're using to
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» so the current our decision
>> current yeah the current plan that that

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we have in place is was approved in 2008
but really the work was done in six and

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seven I believe is mostly where where
that the work of developing it was done

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» so almost 20 years ago
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» lot's changed
okay I think that was it anybody else

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have any other
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four.

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» I'm sorry, Miss Craig. Can you please
speak up?

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» If the Kodiak Island Housing hadn't, you
know, bought that property and they're

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going to be building houses on there and
so it's going to the traffic is going to

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be more now. But had that not happened,
I probably would have opened these up.

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But now that that's happening, I think
there's just going to be a lot of

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traffic on that road. So that would be
my only reason for holding off on these.

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» So if I understand, we're still in the
inception of

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liquidating these properties. Is that
correct?

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» Yeah. I mean, this would be if the
Island Lake properties is a year to

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maybe year and a half potentially, these
are going to be quite a a bit further

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off because we're talking about requests
for proposal.

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» Mhm.
>> Uh and then that would lead to a lot of

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other things that would need to happen
because depending on what the proposal

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is, it still would have to be reszoned
to something other than natural use.

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You'd still have to have a subdivision,
>> right? and potentially um a lot of work

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that would need to be done if a
subdivision is approved within its

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two-year time frame for recreation
because of of uh whether kind of

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improvements are being proposed and also
any kind of environmental constraints

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that exist that you have to uh address
in development.

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» So we have a long process ahead of us
which is to say I would say we should

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get this process started. I would want
to see this approved simply because we

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want to have the expansion down the line
to be able to make this property into

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residential for our city and burrow in
service district 1. So with that being

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said, what would be the next step?
You're saying staff is saying no to this

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development. staff recommended no
because of what the current

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comprehensive plan and the current land
use plan for this area stated when it

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was reszoned to natural use district
>> and that was back in 2008.

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» Yeah. So that that would be again it's
up to the commission to make a

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recommendation. Again the assembly has
the final say on what they are going to

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do with the proposal and then as part of
that discussion on their side they will

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determine how it will be disposed of. In
other words,

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» the recommendation from the lands
committee was for requests for

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proposals. They could potentially do
something else if they wanted, but uh

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considering the the state that the
properties are currently in, probably

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request for proposals makes the most
sense.

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» Okay. So, there's some logic there.
Getting

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a private citizen to give up some of
their land for development has been

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perhaps one of the bottlenecks to our
growth for the purposes of residential

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homes. This is a government
uh initiative to try and open up that

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land for other uh individuals to step up
to the market and produce residential

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homes. So, I would advocate that we
should consider moving the process

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forward for those that come after us to
have the flexibility to at some point

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move this into a production phase. I
don't think we're anywhere close to

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actual house building. I think we have a
long road ahead of us. We've got to see

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what the environmental impact will be. I
can tell you that this is my backyard

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and my wife and daughter love walking
through that that area, but I also

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understand that it could be available in
such a way to help ease our impact of

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our residential
market. So, I'd be open to the idea of

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moving this forward. Thank you.

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Yeah, I I agree with uh Craig on that
one there. It's we're kind of in a bind

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right now because there isn't very much
available for people that I mean I've

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heard this from the public quite often
even at this meeting and rural meetings

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that people cannot find land to build
on. And we are due for I'd say a pretty

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good burst of
looking at what we got with the rocket

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launch and Coast Guard expansion
is uh we're not going to be prepared. I

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mean it's it's definitely time to move
on something like this I would say and

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the Lance Committee has been looking at
it. I'd really wish the lands committee

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I know think Sarah Fraser was there on
that. I wish she was here because I

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would like to hear I'm sure they studied
it out pretty well and had good

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reasoning behind that also. Uh but yeah,
we're we're definitely in a time where

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if if any time is a time to start
preparing for expansion, I would say

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right now is even though we're in a
little lull right now. I mean, I'm in

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building and I can say there's nobody
building new houses right now and that

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is all just cost. I think partly it is
land availability for some people.

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Um but yeah, very few new houses being
built. I think you're probably aware of

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that being in community development. So
um that's going to change though. I mean

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it would like I'm sure people would like
it to change if we really get that

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expansion and a lot of people don't want
co Kodiak to grow but that's uh kind of

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necessary for where we're headed right
now as a community. Anyways, that's

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about it.

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Just one thing I would clarify for the
commission. So, you know, for your since

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you have two resolutions before you for
this for next week's meeting, the

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resolution A is the one that you would
make your initial motion on before it to

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open the public hearing because that
one's in the positive in terms of

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disposing of it. you always you have
resolution B which is the one for

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retention. Uh if you ever like want to
amend your motion to substitute you

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could do that. Uh if the idea for the uh
commission is you want to go forward

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with a recommendation to the uh assembly
then your initial motion would be uh

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approving resolution A uh and then
opening it for your hearing and going

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through your hearing process and then
making your your final decision on that

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uh resolution.

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All right. Seeing no other comments on
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Oceanfront Kodiak LLC case 27-008.
Request to reszone of Cliff Point Estate

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Ocean Front ADN number one track BDN
number one track C and Cliff Point

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Estates ADA ADN number three track D.

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» Chris.
>> Yeah, Brahman's this is Brahman's case.

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She'll be uh presenting that one. No
problem.

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» No, you're fine. Good evening,
commissioners and Kodiak. Uh the

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applicant has proposed four separate
subdivision cases and one ray zone case

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which went for public hearing in July of
this year at this commission. All were

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approved in the same month as the public
hearing. The applicant has stated that

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they want the majority of the properties
within the Cliff Point area to have the

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same zoning designation to create
uniformity within its community.

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Uh, Oceanfront Kodiak LLC has requested
that Cliff Point Estates Edition number

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one, tracks B and C, and Cliffpoint
Estates addition number three, tracks D

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all be reszoned into a zoning
designation with a greater area

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requirement, the C conservation
district. The larger area condition will

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keep the integrity of the future
property owners. Um,

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I'm so sorry.
Uh, sorry. will keep the integrity of

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the proposed zoning district and the
surrounding areas. In addition, it also

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gives the future property owners more
room to maneuver their potential

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developments. KIBC1 17.50
of

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uh is the already existing code within
the sea conservation district to prevent

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clearing, filling, excavation or cons or
or structural development within a 50-ft

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buffer barrier adjacent to any anadimous
streams. meaning that zoning would stop

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any development closer than 50 ft from
any anagiman streams that are located in

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the cliff point area. This request is in
line and compliant with the future land

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use map. At last at the last meeting
regarding the cliff point area, uh we

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did get asked um about the permitted
uses surrounding business. looking at

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the sheet of paper titled article X uh
use restriction under section 10.1 land

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use A does answer that question that I
believe one of the commissioners had at

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the July meeting um with the other
cases. So we just wanted to make sure

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you had this information uh to move
forward. Staff does recommend pro

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approving the proposed reason and
forwarding case 27 tax 008 onto the

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assemble assembly for final approval.
Are there any questions?

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» I would just add something. One of the
things that Brahman gave you were the

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covenants, existing covenants for uh
Cliff Point which restrict uh what other

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uses can take place other than single
family. So uh those restrictions would

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uh make it uh difficult if not
impossible to do any kind of

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non-residential
uses that would be permitted in the sea

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conservation district. And that was the
reason why we uh submitted that to you

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so you could have that. But also it
answered a question I believe that one

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of the commissioners had at a at the the
meeting back in July when we saw the

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other when you all heard the other
reszone case

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after the last meeting we had about this
one. We did the resoning.

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I asked the guy that was here about what
it would cost for a person to get one of

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those lots and put a house on it, how
much it would cost to get it all done,

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and he said about 400,000.
So, that prices out a lot of the people

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that I know. What is that going to How
is making the laws bigger going to

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affect the price? Is it going to go
down? Is it going to be better? Or do we

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have any ideas yet? I'm I wouldn't even
try to speculate on how much you

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increasing the I mean, of course, the
the cost would go up if you're going to

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increase the size because it's more
land, but I couldn't I'm not going to

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try to tell you how much more it would
be.

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» I I like I mean, we are going to have I
think they said about 5,000 people going

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to be moving into here. Um

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they I heard many people say that
housing has never been affordable in

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Kodiak. Uh but it can be.
Maybe not in right now, but in the

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future it can be. Uh, and I think that's
what we need to start to um concentrate

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on is making affordable housing
available to people. Uh, and affordable

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to people that live in Kodiak, not
affordable to people that are coming

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from outside to live here. We need to
take care of our own before we um cater

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to others. And I understand that we have
to let people in in order to grow, but

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um
we need to find a way to make it easier

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for people that are already here living
in substandard or bad housing, you know,

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multiple families in one home. We need
to make it easier for those guys to get

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into it. And what Kodiak Island Housing
is doing is a start, a great start, but

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we need more things like that happening
here. And another thing that we need to

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think about is um the livability, how we
need to make our um homes and

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subdivisions more people friendly. Uh
you drive around this town and you go to

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some of these places and there are no
sidewalks. um we're supposed to be

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inviting people in. We want people to
come here and raise their families, but

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if they can't walk across down the
street to visit their neighbors, then it

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isn't um inviting. It's more like we're
trying to get robots to go to work and

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come home and that's it. Uh so we need
to start thinking about how we design

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these places that are going to live. And
I think that we need to start putting

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sidewalks in there. Although it may cut
the lot sizes down some, but um we can

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do it.

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For the record, this is an anomaly to go
regressing back into a conservation

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form. Is that correct?

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» Right. what it was before.
>> Right. So, at one point the developer

415
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:22,639
decided to try and do subdivision or
subdivision the lot and now is

416
00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:26,000
regressing back to a conservation of a
larger lot.

417
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:31,440
» Correct. And and again, I'm not going to
try to speak to their reasoning. We have

418
00:34:28,560 --> 00:34:37,800
the public hearing next week.
They gave you an answer at the last

419
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:37,800
hearing back in July for another case.

420
00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:46,159
» Sorry, I didn't have a mic on. So, I
will thank you for in the audience. Um,

421
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:51,359
I would just say that uh I will let the
applicant speak to why they want the

422
00:34:48,240 --> 00:34:55,839
rezone. Uh again in your meeting in July
where we had the two sub or the four

423
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:59,599
subdivision cases in the reszone uh they
did express that they felt that they

424
00:34:57,200 --> 00:35:03,839
could sell the larger lots easier than
the the smaller lots and that's why they

425
00:35:01,680 --> 00:35:08,400
were doing the consolidations and then
and then the reszone. I'm I'm going to

426
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:11,359
infer that's the same reason here. So
these are larger tracks to begin with.

427
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:16,160
These these tracks that you have before
you they're not uh being consolidated.

428
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:20,320
are already uh large enough to meet the
the minimum lot size of the of the

429
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:23,560
conservation district.
>> Thank you.

430
00:35:28,720 --> 00:35:35,760
All right, seeing no other questions,
we'll go ahead and move on to case

431
00:35:33,839 --> 00:35:40,320
27-009,
capital improvement projects priority

432
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:45,280
list for FY2027
through 2031.

433
00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:50,720
Brunwin.
>> Good evening, commissioners. Before you

434
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:54,880
is resolution FY2027 tax 009 related to
the capital improvements program. This

435
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:59,040
encompasses the entire 5year span this
program runs for. We are doing things a

436
00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:03,119
tad differently this year as we've come
to realize come to the realization that

437
00:36:01,119 --> 00:36:07,440
the capital improvements project program
and list are two separate documents. The

438
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:12,320
program will have the entire five years
of pro projects showing for the entire

439
00:36:09,839 --> 00:36:18,800
bureau. As you can see, we have section
one of this resolution showing projects

440
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:23,920
only for FY2 27 while section two has
all other projects not not designated

441
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:28,000
for fiscal year 27. These projects will
stay in their respective sections for

442
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:31,359
this resolution. The last few years we
have gone project by project so as not

443
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:36,079
to get lost in which one we are working
on to get organized for priority. If you

444
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:40,000
look in front of you, there will be a
numbered sheet so we can all stay on the

445
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:43,599
same page for which project will go into
which space. If you're ready, we'll

446
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:47,520
start with the first section and
prioritize those prior to moving on to

447
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:52,400
section two. If the commission decides
not to forward Never mind, that section

448
00:36:50,320 --> 00:36:57,839
does not apply because we do have to get
this um resolution wrapped up at this

449
00:36:55,839 --> 00:37:03,160
meeting and voted on next meeting so we
meet our deadline to forward this on to

450
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:03,160
the assembly.

451
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:11,000
So if you would like we can um start
with the first project.

452
00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:21,040
This is your guys's discussion. You tell
me where to put things.

453
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:26,760
» Okay.
Have you guys had a chance to look at

454
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,760
these?

455
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:34,680
So you have projects one through five
that need to be prioritized for first.

456
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:55,119
I am going to go ahead and recommend
that we move the Kodiak burrow.

457
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:58,119
Oh, that's number five.
Sorry.

458
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:13,359
Go ahead,
>> Brown. Sorry to

459
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:18,079
What page are we on?
>> Um, if you're doing the split screen,

460
00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:21,680
it'll pay be page 17 of 24 of the packet
for this specific case.

461
00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:24,480
» 17.
>> What was that?

462
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:27,640
» Page 17 of 24, you said?
>> Yes, sir.

463
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:45,000
Thank you.
>> Absolutely.

464
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:51,599
» So, we're only looking at section one
through five.

465
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:55,280
» One through five.
>> Yeah. Only one through five projects.

466
00:38:53,599 --> 00:39:00,480
Sorry.
Because now they're they're done in one

467
00:38:57,200 --> 00:39:04,359
section and two section where last time
we did them all at once.

468
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:47,000
Number five is going to be my pick. the
Kodiak Island burrow lee treatment plant

469
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:47,000
as our number one.

470
00:39:52,880 --> 00:40:01,680
» Are we discussing individually or are we
>> I think so.

471
00:39:56,160 --> 00:40:07,359
» Okay. Um my idea sorry was number two
and the only reason I say that is

472
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:12,960
because they have allocated some funds
where the rest of the projects have not

473
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:17,599
» but I
it's for discussion

474
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:21,920
» absolutely so given
um while I do sit on the roads for

475
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:27,280
service district 1 and I'd love to see
that to be a high priority I would

476
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:31,119
rather see the lie plant be the priority
if we're doing one through five for

477
00:40:29,119 --> 00:40:39,280
these first. And the reason I say that
is because that is a part of our waste

478
00:40:34,240 --> 00:40:43,839
management at the landfill that has been
needing repair. We've delayed and

479
00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:51,119
deferred maintenance. It's time for us
to step up and try and get this one as a

480
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:55,520
high priority item. So, that would be my
logic behind it.

481
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:58,000
If I read this correct, and I don't know
if we're allowed to ask questions here,

482
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:00,160
but um
>> you're absolutely allowed to ask

483
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:08,160
questions.
>> When I read number five, the lie

484
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:14,640
treatment plan, it this is just for a
purchase of a generator.

485
00:41:11,119 --> 00:41:17,599
» Yes. And including the installation as
well.

486
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:23,920
» Okay. And it's on here because of we've
had blackouts is the way I read it. and

487
00:41:20,319 --> 00:41:26,160
it just is to help that correct,
>> not necessarily something that's

488
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:29,920
critical.
>> If you look in um I want to say it's the

489
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:32,640
third paragraph, I don't know if you can
see up on the screen, but it kind of

490
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:37,440
gives you a little bit of that
information right here where it says um

491
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:41,520
loss of power disrupts critical
treatment processes affecting PH

492
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:45,599
balance, which then staff were spending
money on staff time or they are sorry

493
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:51,040
spending money on staff time to figure
out all this. So, it's a continuous um

494
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:56,640
money pit is how it was explained to me
almost. Um so, they're looking to update

495
00:41:53,760 --> 00:42:00,560
all of that and have both the generator
purchase and then the installation all

496
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:06,359
under one. So, it wouldn't be a
separate, you know, fee or charge, I

497
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:06,359
guess, project.

498
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:16,800
Any other comments from the commission?
>> Um I I'm happy with the one, two, and

499
00:42:13,359 --> 00:42:21,839
three as they are. I would change number
four with number six and put number four

500
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:26,240
at six and keep five at five.
>> So we after the last couple years of

501
00:42:24,240 --> 00:42:30,880
doing this, can we work one project at a
time so we can all come to an agreement

502
00:42:28,240 --> 00:42:34,480
or by we I mean you guys and then we can
move down the list that way. Um if you

503
00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:37,599
guys want to start with project five and
move it up. I don't I don't care how we

504
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:40,880
do it, but can we do one project at a
time just so that we all

505
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:44,079
» know exactly where we're putting these
projects and I don't mess up the

506
00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:49,079
document for next week and then we have
to postpone so I can fix it, you know.

507
00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:54,640
» So now I forgot what I said.
>> You said one, two, three.

508
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:57,680
» So
>> you said one, two, and three as they are

509
00:42:56,079 --> 00:43:00,480
and then four and five you wanted to
kind of move around a little bit. It

510
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:06,000
sounded like
>> Yes. Well, five I want to stay keep the

511
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:08,960
same, but six I want to change it. Move
it up to four.

512
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:10,400
» We are not talking about six. That's in
section two.

513
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:14,160
» We understand this.
>> So, we're only talking in about one

514
00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:19,160
through five right now. We cannot move
any projects from section two into

515
00:43:15,839 --> 00:43:19,160
section one.

516
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:30,880
» Browen, a a clarification question. What
is defining sections one and two? So if

517
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:36,160
you go into the um code regarding the
CIP, it designates um all these projects

518
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:40,319
are supposed to have a fiscal year
attached to it. So when we submit this

519
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:43,680
into CAPSUs, it's very clear who's
asking for the money, where the money's

520
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:47,599
going to, who's going to be doing the
project, how much money has been

521
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:52,640
allocated already from the agency, how
much they're asking for, and what fiscal

522
00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:57,280
year they want this project to go in. um
when we started digging a little bit

523
00:43:54,240 --> 00:44:02,079
deeper and you know you absolutely I
didn't um I kind of absolved this when I

524
00:43:59,359 --> 00:44:06,160
moved into my department you know so I
wasn't entirely clear on what the

525
00:44:04,560 --> 00:44:11,599
difference was between the list and the
program the program is for specific to

526
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:16,319
like that first year the list however is
a 5-year pro uh five-year list but with

527
00:44:14,000 --> 00:44:20,960
us doing these these sections you know
if you go back up and you read like what

528
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:24,160
section one means it's the Kodiak Island
burough Planning and zoning uh

529
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:28,640
commission recommends the following
capital improvements in order of

530
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:33,599
priority for adoption into the Kodiak
Island bureau FY2027

531
00:44:31,040 --> 00:44:37,359
CIP list of capital improvements. So
this is specific just for this upcoming

532
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:41,760
fiscal year. We're not going beyond
that. So we have burrow projects which

533
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:46,160
will be in section one from moving
forward in the next coming years. And

534
00:44:44,160 --> 00:44:51,040
then all other projects that's including
other agencies around the island that's

535
00:44:48,160 --> 00:44:54,400
also including parks and wreck um for
you know the city if they wanted to put

536
00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:57,520
one on they normally have their own CIP
list but every now and then like you

537
00:44:55,920 --> 00:45:01,839
know as you can see the city does have
projects on our list as well. So this is

538
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:08,160
to designate not only the fiscal year
the projects itself.

539
00:45:04,720 --> 00:45:13,839
» Remind us again what the CIP list is for
and what is what it's meant to do. So

540
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:18,560
these are these are projects that go for
a fiveyear span and then the pro the

541
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:24,079
program is a separate entity. So we're
only f focusing on a five-year list is

542
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:28,720
what we're we're looking at. Um
>> what I was getting at is each of these

543
00:45:26,720 --> 00:45:34,640
people that are submitting these
projects. Let's say because I'm from a

544
00:45:32,560 --> 00:45:40,400
village, one of the villages sends in
this project. What it's doing on this

545
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:46,079
list is if it's ranked depending on
where it's ranked on the list that shows

546
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:51,359
how important it is to the bureau that
it gets done and it's easier for the

547
00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:56,000
person asking for the money to get
funding from whether it be the state or

548
00:45:53,839 --> 00:45:59,359
the federal government because they can
point to the CIP list and say see it's

549
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:04,560
right here on the list.
>> Absolutely. and it just being on a

550
00:46:01,359 --> 00:46:08,079
resolution being adopted by um a bigger,
you know, a bigger or different entity.

551
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:12,240
It doesn't have to be bigger. It's just,
you know, could be a separate entity,

552
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:17,520
but them having their project on our our
resolution absolutely helps regardless

553
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:20,960
of where it is in the priority list. Um
I also want to point out that every

554
00:46:19,359 --> 00:46:25,680
single one of these entities that
submits to us has their own option of

555
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:29,040
submitting directly into CAPS and not
going through the bureau. This is just

556
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:33,599
an extra little support that we want to
give to everyone on the island. You

557
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:37,200
know, this isn't um we're not we don't
pick and choose what goes onto the list.

558
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:40,800
We just pick the priority and then the
assembly comes in with their own

559
00:46:38,720 --> 00:46:44,240
recommendation based off of our list.
So, I want you guys to fully understand

560
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:48,240
like this is not going to be the
deciding factor of where these all fall.

561
00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:52,160
These will get moved around or they
maybe the assembly agrees with every

562
00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:56,720
single one of your recommendations 1
through 17 and they keep them exactly

563
00:46:54,160 --> 00:47:00,079
like that, you know. So the assembly
will only see well we we'll see

564
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:03,400
everything but they will vote on
different things.

565
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:13,599
» Okay.
>> I'd like to see number one move to

566
00:47:11,839 --> 00:47:16,720
number five because I'm looking at it
and it doesn't really sound like it's

567
00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:24,079
anything needed. It just sounds like
some kind of little perks they like to

568
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:28,319
get to me on the uh
dress it up a bit. doesn't sound like

569
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:35,520
there's anything they really need at
this point. Maybe in the future, but uh

570
00:47:32,079 --> 00:47:40,560
sounds like it's a little bit
premature to really feel like they need

571
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:46,319
that personally. Um and then just move
everything else up in order. That would

572
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:51,200
be my choice right there.
>> Okay. So, what I'm hearing from Dean and

573
00:47:48,720 --> 00:47:55,839
Mr. Nef that it sounds like we all kind
of want to move number five to the top.

574
00:47:53,520 --> 00:48:00,079
Is that correct?
I believe court was talking about

575
00:47:57,359 --> 00:48:04,319
project one um Kodiak Island Burough
Fire and Rescue and I think Mr. Dan was

576
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:07,599
talking about project five.
>> You said number one to move to five and

577
00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:13,200
five to one. Was that correct?
>> No, just move shift all the one through

578
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:17,839
four one shift the one through five up.
So like two through four.

579
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:22,000
» Okay. So you want to see service area
number one on number one, not number

580
00:48:20,720 --> 00:48:28,000
two. in this game.
>> Tell you what, I like his idea. I like

581
00:48:25,359 --> 00:48:33,880
Joe's idea. Everybody takes a step
forward while step one goes to step

582
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,880
five.

583
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:41,920
» Is that your guys's recommendation to
staff?

584
00:48:39,760 --> 00:48:45,359
» I'm fine because I it's probably going
to get changed anyway. So, I mean, I'm

585
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:49,839
fine.
>> Okay. So just so staff is clear, you

586
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:53,359
guys want to move project number one,
burrow fire and rescue into project

587
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:57,200
number five and then everything else
shifts up one.

588
00:48:54,960 --> 00:49:02,480
» That's correct.
>> This is a work session. So do we need to

589
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:05,599
vote on this next week or are we
>> You'll vote on the the resolution once I

590
00:49:04,319 --> 00:49:09,200
get it back into your where you guys
want all your projects to be moved

591
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:14,400
around and shifted. Um and then you guys
will we'll move for a vote. Yes.

592
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:22,800
» Fair enough. Thank you.
>> Okay. So now we move down to section two

593
00:49:17,839 --> 00:49:25,800
which are project number six
through

594
00:49:28,160 --> 00:49:35,559
18.
So we'll start with project number six.

595
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:56,880
Miss Brown, are we doing this as
a increment of five or the remainder of

596
00:49:56,240 --> 00:50:00,000
the list?
>> Just one at a time.

597
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:03,040
» One at a time. It'll just be easier for
us. Otherwise, we're all going to be

598
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:07,839
here debating and forgetting who said
what and what goes where, you know? So,

599
00:50:05,280 --> 00:50:12,559
» so in order to expedite this, I would
suggest that we accept the list,

600
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:16,880
chairwoman, of the list as it presents
itself.

601
00:50:15,359 --> 00:50:20,520
» So, you don't want to make any changes
to section two?

602
00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:31,520
» We are looking at a voice
with no real teeth in the decision

603
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:35,760
process. the burrow can choose to
manipulate and maneuver maneuver

604
00:50:33,920 --> 00:50:39,119
projects as they see fit.
>> Well, they can, but I don't want you

605
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:44,079
guys to feel like this recommendation is
just um null and void, you know, like

606
00:50:42,559 --> 00:50:48,160
it's it's a useless thing. It's
absolutely vital for the assembly to

607
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:52,720
hear and see what how you guys feel
about the projects. Um now, if you

608
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:58,319
really feel that, you know, 6 through I
I believe it's 17 or 18 want to stay 6

609
00:50:55,280 --> 00:51:01,440
through 17 or 18, I I absolutely
understand. And I just want you guys to

610
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:05,200
fully understand that you do have a
voice and and the assembly does take

611
00:51:03,200 --> 00:51:10,079
that into account whether or not they
agree with it um or disagree with it.

612
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:11,359
They they do take it into account.
>> I hear that.

613
00:51:11,040 --> 00:51:14,240
» Okay.
>> I thank you for that clarity.

614
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:20,000
» Yes, sir.
>> I'll also say that when I was on the

615
00:51:17,359 --> 00:51:26,559
assembly, much of what was discussed
here did come up uh in our discussions

616
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:32,720
there. So it is important that we uh
make our feelings known. Um and with

617
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:35,720
that being said, I would say
uh

618
00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:46,160
where are we on six? The Larsson Bay I
know for many many years has been losing

619
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:52,400
water out of their system. And not only
that, they're fighting with beavers up

620
00:51:48,319 --> 00:51:57,920
in their river. So, um I think that we
keep them their reservoir up at six. And

621
00:51:56,559 --> 00:52:06,760
um
>> I saw one more here. I'll find the other

622
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:06,760
one and let you think. Okay.

623
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:14,480
» So, so um Mr. Delgado, you want to keep
number six as number six then because it

624
00:52:12,640 --> 00:52:19,760
is a I mean these are all priorities and
it's such a hard decision to do this. I

625
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:23,680
understand. Um, is everyone else wanting
to keep number six as number six or do

626
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:27,680
we kind of want to shift things?
>> Well, I'm looking at this list and I see

627
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:33,359
that we have the harbor and we have the
wa wastewater treatment facility here in

628
00:52:29,839 --> 00:52:38,160
the city and those are
significant

629
00:52:36,240 --> 00:52:43,760
projects as well. One's an economic
driver, another is a health and safety

630
00:52:40,240 --> 00:52:45,920
issue. Uh, just like the Larsson Bay's
uh water reservation.

631
00:52:45,359 --> 00:52:50,119
» Yeah.
>> Uh, reserves. So

632
00:52:51,839 --> 00:53:00,480
then there's the whole conversation
aspect of equity, equality, fairness

633
00:52:58,720 --> 00:53:04,319
» between the different organizations,
cities and

634
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:08,800
» and u individuals that are involved in
these locations. And as as we're moving

635
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:12,079
down, you know, if you guys agree that
number six stays number six and then we

636
00:53:10,559 --> 00:53:16,960
get to number 12 and you're like, you
know what, I want to bump number 12 into

637
00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:21,520
number six and we shift everything down,
like this is not set in stone. We we're

638
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:25,760
here to sit here and work through all 18
projects, you know? So, this list can

639
00:53:23,839 --> 00:53:29,760
absolutely be shifting this whole time.
It's just easier if we move it one and

640
00:53:28,240 --> 00:53:32,480
then you guys can come back to another
project and say, you know what, I want

641
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:38,480
to change my mind. Number six goes to
seven, number 12 goes up, or number 14,

642
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:41,839
what whatever the number may be.
So even if you guys agree right now, we

643
00:53:40,160 --> 00:53:46,079
can change our mind in 20 minutes or you
guys can.

644
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:52,280
» I would like to recommend that we move
the hospital facility sterilization to

645
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:52,280
number six.

646
00:53:54,640 --> 00:54:03,839
I think the hospital obviously being the
one and only hospital in town um

647
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:09,200
where everybody comes from not just us
but the surrounding villages um feel

648
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:14,640
like it's important that we have the
proper system to sterilize their

649
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:20,839
equipment. So, I'd like to change that
one if anybody has any comments to that.

650
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:32,480
Recently in the paper there was a
article I believe I saw about how

651
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:39,280
Providence and the burrow have been able
to acquire a grant I believe it was from

652
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:43,520
the state to be able to replace the
refrigeration cooling tower on the

653
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:50,640
hospital.
Um that was a $380

654
00:54:47,119 --> 00:54:54,720
some odd thousand endeavor as I recall.
So that there is grant potentials and

655
00:54:53,280 --> 00:55:00,319
opportunities here. that is something
that is outside this CIP list at this

656
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:04,240
time. Is that correct? That that could
influence

657
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:08,000
the individual or department that is
trying to seek for these funds.

658
00:55:06,319 --> 00:55:10,480
» Are you are I just want to be clear. Are
you asking because they've already

659
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:13,280
received grant money for a separate
project that this might influence or

660
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:17,280
» right
>> getting more money additional funding?

661
00:55:15,359 --> 00:55:24,240
So we don't have any visibility of any
grants that are in the pipeline or being

662
00:55:19,440 --> 00:55:28,240
prepared for uh this kind of a need by
the hospital or by the burough

663
00:55:26,640 --> 00:55:31,599
engineering department or anything like
that. Is that correct?

664
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:36,079
» Yeah. I mean I I'm not privy to that
information until it's handed into my

665
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:39,839
department um for either to be accepted
on this or for the permits when they

666
00:55:37,839 --> 00:55:45,280
come later for the zoning, you know, and
building. Um, however, I I don't

667
00:55:43,440 --> 00:55:48,640
believe, and I could be mistaken on
this, that if you've received grant

668
00:55:46,880 --> 00:55:53,119
money in the past, even if it was
recently, I don't think that influence

669
00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:58,319
influences the state or the legislature
to

670
00:55:55,520 --> 00:56:01,440
push for a project or not push for a
project. I don't I don't think that goes

671
00:55:59,599 --> 00:56:04,240
either way, but I could be mistaken. I
just don't think that that's how that

672
00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:09,760
that system kind of works with the
legislature. Um, you know, cuz we submit

673
00:56:07,359 --> 00:56:14,960
these projects into CAPSUs. like we
don't say on our priority list it was

674
00:56:12,559 --> 00:56:20,000
number one. I mean we do I believe we do
supply the resolution that the document

675
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:22,960
it's in. Um but if you've ever seen and
I don't know if anyone of you guys have

676
00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:27,599
I just saw it for the first time a
couple months back what capsis really

677
00:56:25,119 --> 00:56:31,599
looks like and it it it's like you're
you're plugging and playing information.

678
00:56:29,839 --> 00:56:34,880
It's not asking like was this your
number one priority. You can absolutely

679
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:39,920
put that in your dialogue of the
project, but I I don't believe that, you

680
00:56:37,839 --> 00:56:44,480
know, if the hospital received money,
the legislator is going to push for that

681
00:56:41,599 --> 00:56:49,599
the hospital to receive more. Um I I
don't think that's how he he and she

682
00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:50,559
works that at the state level.
>> Thank you.

683
00:56:50,240 --> 00:56:52,480
» Yeah.
>> I have a follow-up question.

684
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:56,960
» Okay.
>> Regarding the price of oil being higher

685
00:56:54,799 --> 00:57:01,920
than it has been of late, has that
impacted the coffers of the state from

686
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:06,880
your perspective? Are you seeing any
kind of an influence with more monies

687
00:57:04,319 --> 00:57:11,680
being available to the local burrows and
cities within the state?

688
00:57:08,960 --> 00:57:15,920
» Um, you know, I can I I don't believe I
can answer that just because I don't

689
00:57:13,200 --> 00:57:19,920
know enough about all the other bureaus
and when they receive money. I don't

690
00:57:18,319 --> 00:57:24,640
follow the money trails directly from
the state to all these other

691
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:29,359
communities. Um, I so I can't answer
that question fully. I will say that if

692
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:34,640
I remember right, no projects have been
pulled off this list in the last two

693
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:39,760
years, Chris. I don't I don't believe
so. Um, so this list has been updated.

694
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:43,040
You know, I we've added a couple
projects in the last couple years, but I

695
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:50,480
don't believe any projects have been
pulled off since the school roof. And I

696
00:57:48,480 --> 00:57:53,760
want to say maybe Sema or or Scott, and
I hate to ask them while they're in the

697
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:58,960
crowd, but I want to say that there was
a school roof that was approved maybe

698
00:57:55,440 --> 00:58:04,240
three or four years ago for funding. Um,
but other than that, um, No,

699
00:58:03,200 --> 00:58:09,280
» thank you.
>> Yes. I hope that answered your question.

700
00:58:07,359 --> 00:58:12,280
» Thank you. It did.
>> Okay.

701
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:24,880
So, I believe the discussion dropped off
at um the hospital wanting to be bumped

702
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:29,040
up um to number six.
And how does the commission

703
00:58:26,319 --> 00:58:33,119
» I'm down with that?
>> That will go to number six and

704
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:37,880
everything. I'll just move down one.
>> I've got a couple more recommendations.

705
00:58:38,319 --> 00:58:43,920
Um, before we move on with more
recommendations, I' I'd like to see

706
00:58:42,480 --> 00:58:48,960
where this project where you guys want
number 15 if you want it moved into six.

707
00:58:47,839 --> 00:58:51,960
» Otherwise, I'm going to start falling
behind.

708
00:58:53,520 --> 00:59:02,000
» Sure.
>> I'd be agreeable.

709
00:58:57,839 --> 00:59:09,520
» I mean, I I personally like 17 and 18,
but but that's neither here nor there.

710
00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:12,160
wastewater treatment in the harbor.
>> What if I told you that that was number

711
00:59:11,280 --> 00:59:14,799
seven?
>> Oh,

712
00:59:13,599 --> 00:59:21,359
» my recommendation.
>> Would number eight be the um St. Herman

713
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:25,359
Harbor replacement or would it be the
harbor replacement versus the water

714
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:29,400
treatment?
>> Uh I had the

715
00:59:29,440 --> 00:59:36,160
wastewater treatment at number seven and
then the Saint Harbor at number eight.

716
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:39,760
I'm agreeable.
>> Me, too.

717
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:44,680
» So, just so I'm clear, we want to move
15 into six. Okay.

718
00:59:45,359 --> 00:59:51,599
» And then what was your the commission's
recommendation for number seven, project

719
00:59:50,079 --> 00:59:56,480
seven,
the St. Herman Harbor?

720
00:59:54,880 --> 01:00:01,440
» Is everyone agreeing with that? So, I
can move it or

721
00:59:58,079 --> 01:00:05,680
» so harbor before treatment.
>> Uh, no, sorry.

722
01:00:03,839 --> 01:00:16,960
treatment before harbor.
>> Okay. So as it is 17 to 7, 8 is

723
01:00:14,160 --> 01:00:20,400
then the harbor.
>> So six is hospital.

724
01:00:19,040 --> 01:00:23,119
» Mhm. And then
>> seven is treatment plant.

725
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:26,240
» Mhm.
>> And eight is

726
01:00:25,520 --> 01:00:30,760
» harbor.
>> Correct.

727
01:00:26,880 --> 01:00:30,760
» And everything else bumps.

728
01:00:31,920 --> 01:00:40,559
I'd like to move the community health
center to number nine.

729
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:45,040
» Feeling the health itch. I could be
agreeable to that as well.

730
01:00:42,880 --> 01:00:47,119
» What project number is that? I'm I'm
moving my

731
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:51,520
» That is number 14.
>> Is everyone agreeing that number 14 will

732
01:00:49,119 --> 01:00:54,520
be number nine?
>> Sure.

733
01:01:00,559 --> 01:01:06,240
I've seen three or four head nods.
>> Yes.

734
01:01:05,119 --> 01:01:09,240
» Yes. Okay.
>> Yeah.

735
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:17,640
» All right. Project number 10.
>> I want to recommend the city of Port

736
01:01:13,839 --> 01:01:17,640
Lines Fire Station.

737
01:01:19,119 --> 01:01:22,839
Project number 11,

738
01:01:25,200 --> 01:01:29,799
City of Port Lions Water Distribution.

739
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:46,880
» What project number is that please?
>> The water distribution is number seven

740
01:01:45,839 --> 01:01:52,559
for Port Lions.
>> Okay. So then number six, formerly the

741
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:58,440
city of Larsson Bay reservoir spillway.
I'd like to see that one put in as the

742
01:01:55,200 --> 01:01:58,440
follow on.

743
01:01:58,559 --> 01:02:05,440
» So just so we're clear, the new project
number 10 will be project number seven,

744
01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:10,400
city of Portland's water distribution
system replacement.

745
01:02:07,680 --> 01:02:16,160
Everyone's agreeing with that. Okay.
Project number 11 on the new list is

746
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:21,559
which one was proposed? Number six, the
city of Larsson Bay reservoir spillway.

747
01:02:18,559 --> 01:02:21,559
» Okay.

748
01:02:27,359 --> 01:02:34,720
» And everyone agrees with that.
>> Then what follows is the Kodiak storage

749
01:02:31,680 --> 01:02:40,559
tank. Kuruck, sorry, Kuruck water
storage tank.

750
01:02:36,880 --> 01:02:45,960
Unless the chairwoman disagrees.
>> That's fine.

751
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,960
» Okay.

752
01:02:47,200 --> 01:02:55,720
The proposal for project number 13,
the city of Old Harbor septic tank

753
01:02:55,839 --> 01:03:03,160
sewer truck. I thought it was, but okay.
>> Septic. What is it?

754
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:12,400
» Sorry, I was trying to write and I might
have got that wrong, but yes, the septic

755
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:15,280
truck tank replacement. Sorry.
Project number 13, City of Old Harbor.

756
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:18,280
» Yes.
>> Okay.

757
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:23,359
» So, you want 13 to stay as 13 then? Yes.
>> Okay. Just I just want to make sure I'm

758
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:29,079
clear.
>> You're fine. Okay. Project number 14,

759
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:29,079
you guys.

760
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:39,880
» No, we've already set that one.
Uh, we can go with the Carlook sewer

761
01:03:36,880 --> 01:03:39,880
truck.

762
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:49,680
Project number 10,
city of I guess that leaves just two,

763
01:03:47,119 --> 01:03:52,799
right? The city of Larson Bay. We've got
>> Before we move on, I just want to make

764
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:58,240
sure the commission agrees that Carl
sewer truck will be moved into project

765
01:03:55,359 --> 01:04:01,200
into space 14 on the resolution. Okay,
>> I agreed.

766
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:04,920
» Thank you.
Project number 15.

767
01:04:05,599 --> 01:04:14,280
We can do the equipment city of Larsen
Bay equipment and repair.

768
01:04:17,680 --> 01:04:21,839
» Sure.
>> Can you give me a a number, please?

769
01:04:21,119 --> 01:04:25,960
» 16.
>> 16. Got you. Okay.

770
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:35,760
And that leaves the city of Larsson Bay
upgrade to the city hall as number 18.

771
01:04:35,039 --> 01:04:40,079
Project number
>> Oh, number sorry.

772
01:04:37,359 --> 01:04:44,400
» We're on project number 16.
So, what do we have for 16? You want to

773
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:47,400
move the city of Larson Bay into space
16?

774
01:04:49,599 --> 01:04:53,319
» Yeah.
>> Okay.

775
01:04:54,640 --> 01:04:58,039
Project 12.

776
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:03,799
Okay. Project number 17

777
01:05:04,720 --> 01:05:10,280
that the city of Larsson Bay upgrade to
the city hall

778
01:05:10,559 --> 01:05:16,799
that I'm sorry I I think we're off on
the on a different page. Um, I believe

779
01:05:14,799 --> 01:05:22,160
you guys just moved that project number
12 on the current resolution into space

780
01:05:20,000 --> 01:05:25,200
number 16 for the new resolution, which
is the city of Larson Bay upgrade city

781
01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:27,280
hall.
>> Oh, I thought I said

782
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:33,640
» Did I get my wires crossed?
>> Uh, I might have I I thought I said

783
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:33,640
equipment and repair, but maybe not.

784
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:38,799
Equipment repairs and maintenance.
>> You said you said equipment and repair

785
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:45,760
was going to be 15.
>> Okay, then that was me. You're right.

786
01:05:43,119 --> 01:05:51,839
Let's do a quick recap. Um, starting
with number one. So, we have number two,

787
01:05:48,640 --> 01:06:00,240
number three, number four, number five,
number one, number 15, number 17, number

788
01:05:55,520 --> 01:06:06,240
18, number 14, number seven, number six,
number nine, number 13, number 10,

789
01:06:04,400 --> 01:06:11,920
number
16, which

790
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:16,520
Yep. Okay. number 16 and then number 12.
So, you have two more projects to

791
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:16,520
prioritize

792
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:25,440
and I got you guys correct, right?
That's that's where everyone's at. Okay.

793
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:29,039
Okay.
>> Brahman, can you remind them two the two

794
01:06:27,520 --> 01:06:30,880
remaining projects what those
>> Yeah.

795
01:06:29,359 --> 01:06:36,319
» What those are?
>> Honestly, no, I can't.

796
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:39,920
» Yeah, I wrote these down, not the
numbers. This is why we go one at a time

797
01:06:38,559 --> 01:06:44,319
all the way down the list starting from
number one number through 17 so we don't

798
01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:47,520
we don't lose track but um I I really
don't know where we're at.

799
01:06:45,760 --> 01:06:50,559
» Is number 11
>> the city of Port Lions fire

800
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:53,599
» 11 and number eight.
>> Thank you.

801
01:06:51,039 --> 01:06:58,559
» 11 and eight. Okay. I was wondering.
>> All right. City of Larson Bay water

802
01:06:56,000 --> 01:07:02,559
distribution lines number 17 or number
18?

803
01:06:59,680 --> 01:07:09,920
» 17.
>> Everyone's in agreement. Yeah. Okay. All

804
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:14,119
right. So number 11 will be moved into
>> 18.

805
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:14,119
» 18. Okay.

806
01:07:16,960 --> 01:07:24,000
» Sorry.
>> I thought I was I

807
01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:28,720
» And I may I may um do a draft of this
resolution and BCC it to all the

808
01:07:27,200 --> 01:07:32,480
commissioners to make sure that we are
all on the same page. Um

809
01:07:31,039 --> 01:07:38,079
» I just want to make sure I'm doing you
right.

810
01:07:35,039 --> 01:07:44,000
Okay. Any other questions, comments, or
concerns? We'll go ahead and move on.

811
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:47,000
Next case, U. Patrick Anderson, case
27-0.

812
01:07:47,119 --> 01:07:58,319
request a variance to reduce the front
yard setback from 25 ft to 10 and 16

813
01:07:54,880 --> 01:08:04,960
ft and reduce the rear yard setback from
20 ft to 8 ft for new

814
01:08:02,240 --> 01:08:08,240
build allowance.
>> Yes, thank you. Uh the applicant

815
01:08:06,319 --> 01:08:13,200
requests uh these two variances to allow
the construction of a cabin size single

816
01:08:09,920 --> 01:08:16,719
family residence at 40689 Pag Shack
Road. The existing property is

817
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:20,960
substandard in lot size and is unusual
in shape compared to other properties in

818
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:26,239
the surrounding area. And as mentioned
the requested variances to reduce the uh

819
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:32,400
25 ft front yard setback from 25 ft to
10 ft and the reduce the 20ft rear yard

820
01:08:29,520 --> 01:08:36,640
setback from 20 ft to 8 ft. Uh your
staff analysis begins on page two of the

821
01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:40,560
staff report. Proposed findings in
support of the variance are on page four

822
01:08:38,319 --> 01:08:44,400
of the staff report and in your uh
proposed uh resolution. If the

823
01:08:43,040 --> 01:08:48,560
commission disagrees with the staff
recommendation, findings in opposition

824
01:08:46,080 --> 01:08:52,080
to the variance request will need to be
developed. Uh the planning and zoning

825
01:08:50,159 --> 01:08:57,759
commission bylaws do allow the
commission to uh defer action on the

826
01:08:54,799 --> 01:09:04,719
case uh giving direction to staff to uh
draft uh a new resolution

827
01:09:00,799 --> 01:09:08,000
uh for uh denial if the commission does
want to do that. Uh if you have any

828
01:09:06,719 --> 01:09:14,839
questions, I'll be happy to answer
those. I believe the applicant is also

829
01:09:10,480 --> 01:09:14,839
uh in the audience today as well.

830
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:21,759
» Yes sir.
>> So I my understanding I I must guess I

831
01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:27,279
must have got it from the wrong place
somewhere but I thought when you had a

832
01:09:24,799 --> 01:09:30,640
R1 lot you had to have and you had to
have well and septic you weren't on

833
01:09:29,359 --> 01:09:35,600
water and so you had to have like a
oneacre lot. This is way smaller than

834
01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:39,839
that. So I was wondering what the story
is. Am I wrong on that?

835
01:09:38,080 --> 01:09:45,199
Sounds like I am.
>> Well, I mean it is a substandard lot.

836
01:09:42,159 --> 01:09:50,640
So, um it wasn't created to that. It was
created prior to those regulations. So,

837
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:54,880
it is um substandard in size and we do
not have a restriction in our code that

838
01:09:52,159 --> 01:09:58,560
keeps someone from uh proposing
development. Uh currently the way that

839
01:09:56,800 --> 01:10:06,000
with the setbacks, you would not be able
to develop this property. uh and it is

840
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:11,280
not listed as a unbuildable lot in the
plat since it predates

841
01:10:08,719 --> 01:10:14,800
uh most of our current zoning
regulations that we have.

842
01:10:13,040 --> 01:10:19,600
» Yeah, I don't have any concern with the
setback. I just uh starting to

843
01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:24,480
concentrate too many people in an area
with too many septics. The two small

844
01:10:22,560 --> 01:10:29,679
areas kind of like I already thought one
acre was kind of a small area to require

845
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:36,640
» if you look in the if you look in the in
the staff report the proposed cabin is

846
01:10:33,280 --> 01:10:42,880
very small in size. Uh but again the
applicant could uh speak to uh what

847
01:10:39,840 --> 01:10:46,480
their proposal is.
I'm just considering I'm just want to

848
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:52,159
know why do you think there's no health
potential health issue still

849
01:10:49,360 --> 01:10:57,280
with that small of a lot having a septic
system on it whether the cabin's small

850
01:10:54,159 --> 01:11:03,679
or large or whatever.
>> Again, we don't we don't review the se

851
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:08,880
any septic approvals or approvals for u
on-site wastewater treatment. That would

852
01:11:05,440 --> 01:11:13,040
be ADC uh to do that. The uh current
zoning regulations don't address that.

853
01:11:10,800 --> 01:11:17,760
that is addressed in to some degree in
the building code that they have to have

854
01:11:14,880 --> 01:11:22,880
a septic system or some other approvable
type of wa of wastewater disposal. But

855
01:11:20,400 --> 01:11:27,920
that's not something that's in the in
the zoning regulations other than when

856
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:31,840
someone's creating uh creating a lot and
they don't have sewer and water then it

857
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:37,679
restricts the size. But again, as I
mentioned, this predates those zoning

858
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:42,800
regulations in terms of the uh the
requirement for a specific lot size uh

859
01:11:40,800 --> 01:11:46,640
when you do not have access to public
water and sewer.

860
01:11:44,480 --> 01:11:53,159
» Looks like Patrick's willing to address
it there.

861
01:11:49,199 --> 01:11:53,159
» Yes, you can come up and speak.

862
01:11:54,719 --> 01:11:58,719
» Can you guys hear me? Okay.
>> Yeah.

863
01:11:56,640 --> 01:12:01,280
» Just wanted to let you guys know this
lot is pretty unique. It actually

864
01:12:00,080 --> 01:12:05,280
doesn't have any neighbors either.
There's not really anybody nearby me.

865
01:12:03,120 --> 01:12:08,560
And we won't be doing a septic system on
this lot. We will be doing an above

866
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:15,560
ground containment system which will be
pumped out um by SID uh once a month or

867
01:12:11,679 --> 01:12:15,560
or maybe even more frequently.

868
01:12:15,920 --> 01:12:19,080
» Thank you.

869
01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:29,679
» Any other questions? Anybody?
I don't have a question, but I

870
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:33,280
like the idea of helping people build on
their land, and so I'm going to be in

871
01:12:31,679 --> 01:12:39,840
favor of this as well.
>> I think I had a question. Patrick, did

872
01:12:36,239 --> 01:12:44,880
it used to have a cabin? No. For some
reason, Ben thought it had a cabin on

873
01:12:41,360 --> 01:12:50,000
there a long time ago.
>> Uh, no. It has never had a structure on

874
01:12:47,040 --> 01:12:53,520
it. Um what it is what it used to be was
actually the bridge access the original

875
01:12:51,920 --> 01:13:00,480
bridge access to beside check for a
walking bridge. Um the bridge since has

876
01:12:57,280 --> 01:13:04,719
been long gone for I think about 30
years somewhere around in there. Um so

877
01:13:03,040 --> 01:13:08,320
currently it's just been it's just been
empty for the last we've had it for 35

878
01:13:06,960 --> 01:13:14,640
years in the family and it's been empty
for that time.

879
01:13:11,360 --> 01:13:18,480
» Patrick, have you ever seen flooding in
that particular land?

880
01:13:16,880 --> 01:13:21,920
Yeah, it's a very good question. We have
not. It's actually very high above the

881
01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:25,920
river uh and above everything else
around it. We've had no drainage issues.

882
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:30,800
We haven't seen any flooding. Um we've
been we have a cabin out there in the

883
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:34,880
community and it's something um we love
Poseid Shack. We intend to to keep that

884
01:13:33,280 --> 01:13:39,199
place the way it is. We want to, you
know, keep it preserved. Uh keep it what

885
01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:43,840
it's always been. So, we're very very
cautious. We wouldn't want to do

886
01:13:40,400 --> 01:13:47,600
anything um below like the water level,
anything like that. So, we think that

887
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:51,000
this is a a very good spot to build.
>> Thank you, Patrick.

888
01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,600
Nope.

889
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:09,679
Okay, thank you for that.
Just got locked out. Okay,

890
01:14:05,440 --> 01:14:16,000
I guess we'll move on to our next case.
uh Shunac case 27-011

891
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:20,480
for uh request of a variance to reduce
the required number of parking spaces

892
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:28,560
from eight parking spaces to two regular
spaces and two loading dock spaces and

893
01:14:23,120 --> 01:14:32,480
188 compliant parking space right here.
>> All right, commissioners one more time

894
01:14:30,159 --> 01:14:37,280
with me tonight. The principal use
within the II industrial district

895
01:14:34,320 --> 01:14:41,040
consists of land intensive commercial
uses incorporating certain types of

896
01:14:39,199 --> 01:14:45,679
manufacturing, repairing and assembling
of goods, particularly those related to

897
01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:50,159
the fishing industry. Seafood processing
establishments are permitted use are a

898
01:14:47,760 --> 01:14:55,880
permitted use within the II industrial
district within Kodiak burough code

899
01:14:52,880 --> 01:14:55,880
17.175.040

900
01:14:56,320 --> 01:15:02,320
which is the off- streetet parking for
those of you if you don't remember. Um,

901
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:06,080
industrial or manufacturing
establishments have a parking

902
01:15:03,679 --> 01:15:10,960
requirement of 1 per 700 square ft of
gross floor area. The proposed structure

903
01:15:08,480 --> 01:15:14,719
is a total of 5,250
ft, bringing the required amount of

904
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:19,679
parking on the lot to a total of eight
spaces with the required loading space.

905
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:23,440
In addition, staff reviewed other
industrial zoned parcels in the

906
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:28,239
surrounding area, finding this lot is
significantly smaller in lot area.

907
01:15:26,159 --> 01:15:33,679
Directly east and west of the subject
parcel parcel are two industrial zzoned

908
01:15:31,440 --> 01:15:40,320
lots. Both lots are over an acre in
parcel size. Comparing that to the 65

909
01:15:36,880 --> 01:15:44,880
acres of for 419 Shellov Street or the
subject parcel, it shows it's

910
01:15:42,719 --> 01:15:50,400
significantly smaller in lot size. In
addition, the subject partial has a

911
01:15:47,199 --> 01:15:55,120
parcel has a substantial amount of lot
located in the open water. Um, a lot of

912
01:15:52,719 --> 01:15:59,600
it is, you know, their their lot is in
the water.

913
01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:05,800
So, their buildable area is pretty much
being taken by this new new structure if

914
01:16:02,239 --> 01:16:05,800
it were to be approved.

915
01:16:07,840 --> 01:16:12,679
» Any comments or questions from the
commission?

916
01:16:13,280 --> 01:16:17,199
» So,
they're asking for a variance in

917
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:21,440
parking,
>> correct?

918
01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:26,560
But how many employees are being
employed at this location? I did ask um

919
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:31,600
and they did respond back and they said
that they will have anywhere about eight

920
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:36,640
employees I believe on shift um and they
will you know be crossing shifts um not

921
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:41,120
overlapping but they will you know one
shift stops another new eight employees

922
01:16:38,480 --> 01:16:44,960
come in for the the cow processing
and I do believe that they have a um

923
01:16:43,040 --> 01:16:52,480
transporter van that's available for
this as well like car pooling

924
01:16:49,440 --> 01:16:56,880
» okay so the lot can handle the required
code require hard spaces.

925
01:16:54,640 --> 01:17:03,679
» Incorrect. Um, at this point, and I
believe they gave me a site plan, which

926
01:16:58,719 --> 01:17:09,880
I've included. Um, they can fit it was
uh two regular parking spaces, I

927
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:09,880
believe. Uh, hold on. Sorry.

928
01:17:10,000 --> 01:17:16,320
One ADA and then one loading space
because they are required as a as a

929
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:20,960
non-residential to to have that loading
space. So, that 10x40 I believe is the

930
01:17:19,199 --> 01:17:25,040
the dimensions has to be on there. So,
that does take up quite a bit of their

931
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:30,239
available parking area. And I'm going to
pull up this um site plan for you guys

932
01:17:26,960 --> 01:17:32,640
right real quick. Right here, if you can
see up there, I know it's a little far

933
01:17:31,520 --> 01:17:37,679
away.
>> Does it need to be orientated

934
01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:40,400
differently or is that the orientation
property goes over the warf?

935
01:17:38,880 --> 01:17:44,880
» So, right here at the bottom of this
screen, um it shows Shelikov Street. So,

936
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:48,800
the bottom of this site plan is the
front of the lot.

937
01:17:47,280 --> 01:17:51,679
So, if you kind of like look up on the
screen, you can see like how I scrolled

938
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:57,080
it down.
>> I'm looking at it on mine.

939
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:57,080
» Okay. Okay. Just making sure.

940
01:17:57,600 --> 01:18:05,199
» I have a question.
>> So, this is a processing plant and then

941
01:18:03,040 --> 01:18:08,159
there was is it going to be a restaurant
or just a processing plant?

942
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:11,520
» No, there's there's no restaurant.
They're proposing a kelp processing

943
01:18:09,679 --> 01:18:14,640
plant in the in the industrial. There's
no restaurant they're talking about at

944
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:17,199
this point on this lot.
>> Okay.

945
01:18:15,120 --> 01:18:20,159
» Yeah. that I I'm not sure if maybe
you're alluding to a different lot or

946
01:18:18,560 --> 01:18:24,640
something. They might have works for a
different um

947
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:28,080
restaurant or business, you know, but at
this time this is only for the kelp

948
01:18:26,239 --> 01:18:33,120
processing. I don't think they could fit
anything else on that lot.

949
01:18:30,960 --> 01:18:38,880
Um I think I gave you guys a pretty good
picture up above which does show how how

950
01:18:36,480 --> 01:18:44,400
tight and narrow this lot is. It's
extremely narrow. Like if you compare it

951
01:18:41,760 --> 01:18:48,800
to the ones right directly next to it to
the east and west, you can see how

952
01:18:46,080 --> 01:18:55,199
narrow this subject parcel is compared
to this. It's almost half the size and

953
01:18:51,360 --> 01:19:02,239
width of the one directly to the west.
Sorry, east. Wrong way.

954
01:18:59,040 --> 01:19:05,679
» If I'm correct, and I could be mistaken,
Shunac also owns the building across the

955
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:08,880
street.
>> Correct. I believe it's the one directly

956
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:10,480
across the street, but it could be Kitty
Corner, but I'm pretty sure it's the one

957
01:19:10,000 --> 01:19:16,719
directly.
>> And they've got the appropriate parking

958
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:19,120
for
that.

959
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:23,280
» Um, as far as I know, they do. They've
never come in for a change of use or

960
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:26,640
anything for for maintenance.
>> So, I guess I'm just thinking if there's

961
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:32,400
any overflow, they the property across
the street is theirs.

962
01:19:29,120 --> 01:19:36,400
» Correct. But um you know if that I don't
know what the requirements are on the

963
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:40,480
parking for across the street. So I if
they could fit it they might but at this

964
01:19:38,480 --> 01:19:43,600
time I didn't we didn't even talk about
that as an option because I I don't

965
01:19:42,320 --> 01:19:48,560
believe they would have enough room for
both parking um across the street

966
01:19:46,480 --> 01:19:52,640
because hours of operation they can't
overlap with tandem parking spaces. So

967
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:58,960
if we require five for that current
business across the street and another

968
01:19:55,120 --> 01:20:02,159
four overflow from 419 the subject
parcel now to go across the street I

969
01:20:01,199 --> 01:20:04,880
don't believe they'd have enough room
for all of that but I don't know what

970
01:20:03,280 --> 01:20:10,080
the requirements are for across the
street

971
01:20:07,520 --> 01:20:14,400
» they are using the existing buildings
and structures on this property correct

972
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:17,760
or are they going to build something new
>> I believe they're te they tore most of

973
01:20:16,080 --> 01:20:23,760
it down and they will be moving a lot of
it off or moving um uh

974
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:26,159
like adding that into the building. I
think that's the total square footage of

975
01:20:25,120 --> 01:20:33,239
the new structure.
>> So, theoretically, they could build the

976
01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:33,239
parking space into the structure.

977
01:20:33,520 --> 01:20:40,880
» I'm not an architect, so I'm not going
to answer that. I I don't know um if

978
01:20:39,040 --> 01:20:43,600
they could or not. Quite honestly, I
don't have an answer for that. Maybe

979
01:20:42,080 --> 01:20:46,719
Chris can answer that.
>> Who's the applicant representative here?

980
01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:49,760
I believe
>> I don't have anyone on the phone. They

981
01:20:48,080 --> 01:20:53,600
did say that they were
>> Oh,

982
01:20:51,679 --> 01:20:56,239
» would you care to come up and let us
pick your brains?

983
01:20:54,719 --> 01:20:59,480
» Yeah. Yeah.
>> Thank you.

984
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:09,840
» Hi. Yeah. So, we've hired an architect
to kind of direct us on this property

985
01:21:06,560 --> 01:21:12,960
and how we might be able to comply with
the parking requirement.

986
01:21:11,520 --> 01:21:17,360
» Can you please make sure your mic is on
if it's not? Thank you.

987
01:21:15,440 --> 01:21:23,360
» There we go.
But uh yeah, I mean I can try to answer

988
01:21:20,239 --> 01:21:31,280
any any questions. Uh
>> so basically um we got we got a grant

989
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:33,199
for 2.3 million to um get all the
equipment.

990
01:21:31,840 --> 01:21:35,600
» Excuse me. Can you state your name for
the record?

991
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:41,440
» Yeah. Yeah, no problem. Katie Hughes
with Cog. I'm project managing this uh

992
01:21:39,040 --> 01:21:47,920
project with along with Shunak and Wild
Source. Um, we got a grant for 2.3

993
01:21:45,440 --> 01:21:54,239
million to buy equipment, kelp
processing equipment. And we got a list

994
01:21:51,120 --> 01:22:01,360
from our distributor.
I can't speak from the engineers that

995
01:21:57,840 --> 01:22:06,960
um, put the plant together. And
the building itself,

996
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:12,960
whatever lot they have left, everything
fits in that building like to that to

997
01:22:10,639 --> 01:22:15,440
that lot basically, right?
>> Pretty much. Yeah, it it's going to tie

998
01:22:15,040 --> 01:22:18,719
up.
>> And it's going to be two stories

999
01:22:17,840 --> 01:22:24,880
» hopefully. Yeah,
>> maybe with it. Just depends what kind of

1000
01:22:21,679 --> 01:22:29,520
funding we get, but
it's uh there's there's a lot of

1001
01:22:27,440 --> 01:22:34,480
equipment that goes with it. So that's
the that's the site plan right there.

1002
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:40,239
And the the new proposed building is the
uh the 40 40 by 86.

1003
01:22:38,639 --> 01:22:43,520
» Can I interrupt you guys for a second?
Sorry, Chris.

1004
01:22:41,120 --> 01:22:48,560
» I just want to go through the chair. Uh
so can you explain how employees and I

1005
01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:52,960
mean what's the need for parking on this
site based on how your employees access

1006
01:22:50,719 --> 01:22:58,080
it? Are they do employees walk to the
site? Is there uh like a like a shuttle

1007
01:22:55,840 --> 01:23:00,639
that you have that that drives employees
here? How how will your employees?

1008
01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:02,320
» So, a lot of them
>> come to the site.

1009
01:23:01,600 --> 01:23:05,440
» Take uh
>> Can you please speak into the mic? Thank

1010
01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:10,239
you. It's got to be caught by the way.
>> A lot of them um carpool, some of them

1011
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:16,239
take taxis.
Um I mean, we've been making it work in

1012
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:22,960
the building in the business that is
Kodiak Wild Source. Um and that that's

1013
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:30,000
been working out fine. But, um that's
yeah, a lot of them carpool. a couple of

1014
01:23:25,199 --> 01:23:34,639
us drive and along Shelikoff. I mean,
it's it's tough to park. I I'll admit

1015
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:39,840
that. But you usually you're able to
find a a parking spot somewhere. Um

1016
01:23:37,520 --> 01:23:47,360
either street parking
um we've got a couple places at our at

1017
01:23:42,080 --> 01:23:50,360
our uh property there, but um
yeah.

1018
01:23:50,880 --> 01:23:55,400
» Did that answer your question, Mr.
Commissioner?

1019
01:23:56,320 --> 01:24:02,400
So
follow-up questions.

1020
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:08,080
» Was there any consideration to parking
inside the structure or somehow in

1021
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:12,719
expanding that ability to have the and
meet the code for parking

1022
01:24:09,760 --> 01:24:19,840
» inside the structure? With a layout that
we have, we we uh didn't see really a

1023
01:24:16,159 --> 01:24:25,760
way of um of doing that. We've got some
uh what we're making is kind of a a

1024
01:24:22,159 --> 01:24:32,159
maraculture um processing
um processing building and a lot of this

1025
01:24:28,639 --> 01:24:38,719
is um centrifuges and and a lot of big
equipment um and floor space is going to

1026
01:24:35,360 --> 01:24:44,480
be very tight inside that building. So I
don't think uh parking inside will be an

1027
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:50,000
option. Um
>> so will this be open to the public?

1028
01:24:48,239 --> 01:24:56,000
No, it won't. It'll be just a
manufacturing building.

1029
01:24:52,639 --> 01:24:59,360
» Okay. So, no retail um location or
anything like that.

1030
01:24:56,800 --> 01:25:05,199
» No retail. Across the street is is
another um property that's uh will have

1031
01:25:02,800 --> 01:25:08,800
a retail area that's under constru
construction right now. It's been under

1032
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:15,040
construction for the last three years,
but that's 412 Shelikoff and that's

1033
01:25:11,360 --> 01:25:18,040
directly across the street.
Okay.

1034
01:25:18,800 --> 01:25:25,920
the building here in the back. And I'm
sorry I left my glasses, but it is that

1035
01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:28,960
another processing facility. I can't see
what it I can't read what it says.

1036
01:25:27,440 --> 01:25:30,560
» That was that's their storage.
>> Whi- which uh building are you referring

1037
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:33,920
to?
>> Just right behind Yes, that one.

1038
01:25:32,560 --> 01:25:39,120
» Um storage.
>> So that's our um that's our ice house.

1039
01:25:36,239 --> 01:25:41,520
That's Yeah, that's where we've got uh a
cold storage and and ice making in

1040
01:25:41,199 --> 01:25:45,120
there.
>> So not necessarily additional employees.

1041
01:25:44,639 --> 01:25:46,639
No,
>> just

1042
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:48,400
» storage. Y
>> perfect warehouse.

1043
01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:52,639
» Thank you.
>> And that extra already exists.

1044
01:25:50,800 --> 01:25:56,159
» It does. That's already built. Yep.
That's that uh that fabric tension

1045
01:25:54,800 --> 01:25:59,360
building that you see at the end of the
dock. So,

1046
01:25:56,880 --> 01:26:01,199
» okay.
>> Thank you,

1047
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:08,080
» Sure.
>> I I see um by the parking one and two

1048
01:26:05,679 --> 01:26:16,320
that there is some room between that and
the building next to the container truck

1049
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:21,040
parking. Is there can there be parking
behind that one and two or so is

1050
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:26,159
» that
that's code. So I'll answer that for

1051
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:29,600
you. We have we have code uh protecting
that. So no you can't have tandem

1052
01:26:27,840 --> 01:26:34,880
parking spaces. So if their hours of
operation are from let's say 8 to 5 um

1053
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:38,480
and it's strictly that you can't have
tandem parking. So can't park one in

1054
01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:42,960
front of another in a commercial zone
business. There's few allowances one

1055
01:26:40,719 --> 01:26:47,199
being like a car dealership. Um and a
couple other things like that. Uh they

1056
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:52,960
did we did previously kind of go through
that. Um and are you Chris Cenito? Yes,

1057
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:56,159
sir. Okay. So, Mr. Cenito, I and then I
believe um either the contractor or

1058
01:26:54,480 --> 01:26:59,520
another employee of them, we we kind of
went a couple times trying to figure out

1059
01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:03,840
maybe a different configuration to fit
one or two more spaces. And with the

1060
01:27:01,760 --> 01:27:07,679
aisle widths, uh, the required aisle
widths, the turning and maneuvering, it

1061
01:27:05,679 --> 01:27:12,960
it's just impossible for them to get any
more than what they what they fit

1062
01:27:10,800 --> 01:27:15,960
compliantly at least.
>> Yeah.

1063
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:21,520
Anybody else?
>> Thank you guys for being here and

1064
01:27:20,639 --> 01:27:27,280
answering those questions.
>> Appreciate you guys.

1065
01:27:24,480 --> 01:27:31,360
» Say, um,
as he acknowledged, the parking there is

1066
01:27:29,440 --> 01:27:36,239
already pretty crowded. if it does end
up he has employees have vehicles now we

1067
01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:39,040
need to park we have a parking issue
who's going to fix it and how are we

1068
01:27:37,679 --> 01:27:43,040
going to fix it I guess that's the
question I'd have right now

1069
01:27:41,280 --> 01:27:47,840
» well we have a code enforcement officer
so if you're saying um like parking in

1070
01:27:45,199 --> 01:27:51,760
the street kind of thing um there you
know the city the city has their own

1071
01:27:49,840 --> 01:27:55,920
code we have our own code so they can't
just park willy-nilly you know um there

1072
01:27:53,840 --> 01:28:00,719
are par designated parking areas along
that road that they would either have to

1073
01:27:58,400 --> 01:28:05,600
um early bird gets the worm I think on
that, you know, either you're walking a

1074
01:28:03,440 --> 01:28:09,840
bit or um or you can get yourself on the
lot or, you know, down the street. There

1075
01:28:07,199 --> 01:28:13,120
are parking areas if you I know you've
driven down that obviously, but if you

1076
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:18,639
kind of drive right across I want to say
it's kitty corner this way from this lot

1077
01:28:16,719 --> 01:28:23,159
there. There's a pretty big strip
parking spot a little bit further down.

1078
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:35,040
Guess we'll go ahead and move on. Um,
we've got no public here. Thank you,

1079
01:28:32,480 --> 01:28:40,239
Bronin. Sorry. Um, no public hearings,
so that's going to move us on to old

1080
01:28:37,600 --> 01:28:43,199
business, which we don't have. Um, but
looks like we do have some new business.

1081
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:49,679
Chris,
>> so we will have uh elections. Uh we did

1082
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:56,480
confirm with the burough clerk that you
will need to do elections for um at

1083
01:28:52,639 --> 01:28:59,600
least for chair unless the vice chair
becomes the chair. But at the very least

1084
01:28:58,080 --> 01:29:04,719
you'll have to do an election for the
chair. And if the uh vice chair were to

1085
01:29:02,800 --> 01:29:08,480
be elected then you'd have to elect a
new vice chair as well. But we did

1086
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:12,159
confirm that from from the burough
clerk. The the vice chair doesn't just

1087
01:29:10,480 --> 01:29:18,239
become the chair. So we did confirm
that. The other item that's not on here

1088
01:29:14,880 --> 01:29:22,480
because we did have uh Miss Frasier left
who was on the lands committee uh the

1089
01:29:21,120 --> 01:29:27,760
commission will need to do another
recommendation. So we are going to add

1090
01:29:24,239 --> 01:29:32,800
on to new business uh an item to
recommend a com an additional

1091
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:38,920
commissioner for to the mayor for uh the
lands committee. So I wanted to make you

1092
01:29:35,040 --> 01:29:38,920
all aware of that as well.

1093
01:29:47,920 --> 01:29:52,800
the you wanted.
>> We need an answer like right now.

1094
01:29:51,520 --> 01:29:55,920
» No, no, you're in work session. So, I'm
just I'm just letting you know that you

1095
01:29:54,480 --> 01:29:59,520
don't vote anything on work session, but
I'm let again this is packet review. So,

1096
01:29:57,920 --> 01:30:02,080
we're letting you know what's on it's
not a public hearing, right?

1097
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:03,679
» It's new business, so it's like a
business session item.

1098
01:30:03,280 --> 01:30:06,400
» Okay.
>> Uh and there will be two of those. I

1099
01:30:05,520 --> 01:30:09,600
just wanted to let you know that there's
a second one because we do need the

1100
01:30:08,159 --> 01:30:12,159
another lands committee member.
>> We need to appoint somebody to the lands

1101
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:14,400
committee.
>> What you'll do is you'll make a

1102
01:30:13,120 --> 01:30:16,800
recommendation. Okay. And the mayor
appoints that person.

1103
01:30:15,760 --> 01:30:21,280
» Okay.
>> Question. I was uh spacing out a little

1104
01:30:19,920 --> 01:30:24,719
bit there. I'm not sure I caught
everything.

1105
01:30:22,159 --> 01:30:26,639
» So, is Sarah Fraser still on the board?
>> She has resigned.

1106
01:30:25,679 --> 01:30:29,440
» She did resign.
>> Yes.

1107
01:30:27,040 --> 01:30:33,520
» Okay. and her resignation was accepted
by the assembly at the at the regular

1108
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:38,960
meeting last week
>> and and they will be voting on I think a

1109
01:30:35,760 --> 01:30:44,480
new member here in September. U so
hopefully you'll have a new uh

1110
01:30:40,880 --> 01:30:49,199
commissioner ready to go in October.
>> Okay, gotcha. I get it now.

1111
01:30:47,840 --> 01:30:53,320
» And because she was on the lands
committee, we also need to

1112
01:30:53,840 --> 01:30:58,560
» I'm on the lands committee. You should
be on the lands committee.

1113
01:30:56,480 --> 01:31:04,639
» Okay.
No other talk. We'll go ahead and move

1114
01:31:01,440 --> 01:31:08,480
on to reports. We've got our regular
meeting scheduled on Wednesday,

1115
01:31:06,159 --> 01:31:14,560
September 16th at 6:30 here in the
Assembly Chambers and our work session

1116
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:20,159
on Wednesday, October 14th at 6:30 here
in the Chamber of Commerce chamber

1117
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:25,280
chamber of commerce, sorry, the Assembly
Chambers.

1118
01:31:21,920 --> 01:31:31,280
Okay. Um,
next we move on to communications. Looks

1119
01:31:28,320 --> 01:31:38,639
like we've got um
several case results letters from July's

1120
01:31:36,159 --> 01:31:42,239
meeting and we'll go ahead and move on
to staff comments.

1121
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:50,239
» So, thing I will say is this is related
to the uh communications. Uh all four

1122
01:31:45,679 --> 01:31:56,719
subdivisions for uh Oceanfront have been
uh recorded uh and that reszone has been

1123
01:31:53,040 --> 01:32:01,280
approved. So those those cases have been
completed. Uh that's all I have. Thank

1124
01:31:58,960 --> 01:32:04,639
you,
>> Bronin.

1125
01:32:02,880 --> 01:32:08,320
» I just want to say thank you so much for
listening to me talk a lot this meeting.

1126
01:32:06,639 --> 01:32:15,159
I don't normally talk so much, but I
appreciate all the questions. It

1127
01:32:10,480 --> 01:32:15,159
definitely um worked my brain.

1128
01:32:17,760 --> 01:32:24,960
Yes, ma'am.
Um, for the regular meeting, will you

1129
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:29,199
guys consider if your agenda says that
CIP goes before these cases that these

1130
01:32:27,199 --> 01:32:34,880
people are sitting in the audience for
that you make a motion to move those

1131
01:32:31,840 --> 01:32:40,320
cases ahead of the CIP? Like those guys
had to sit through a lot today. So, just

1132
01:32:37,440 --> 01:32:43,719
to think about it. Thank you.
>> Thank you, Sema.

1133
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:50,239
We're going to go ahead and move on to
commissioner comments. Mr. Dan.

1134
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:54,320
» Well, thank you. It's been a pleasure to
serve on this commission. I am

1135
01:32:52,159 --> 01:33:00,000
technically up for reelection. I chose
not to submit my paperwork for a packet

1136
01:32:56,639 --> 01:33:05,120
for uh this position. So, this position
will be available come the next election

1137
01:33:02,639 --> 01:33:09,199
cycle here. So, again, it's been an
honor and a privilege to serve along

1138
01:33:06,639 --> 01:33:14,480
with you. Um,
best of luck as you move forward with

1139
01:33:11,600 --> 01:33:19,239
your decisions and process. It's been an
honor to serve. Thank you.

1140
01:33:20,880 --> 01:33:25,480
» I don't think we should accept his
resignation.

1141
01:33:25,520 --> 01:33:34,239
» Thank you for all the work that you guys
did and yeah, I'm glad to be back and

1142
01:33:30,719 --> 01:33:37,520
glad to be here and
good luck.

1143
01:33:35,520 --> 01:33:40,920
» Thank you. Thank you. Bye.
No comment.

1144
01:33:41,199 --> 01:33:49,520
» I think uh we did a very good job
tonight and uh yeah, sorry to hear

1145
01:33:46,719 --> 01:33:53,440
you're leaving, Craig. Been very
pleasure having you with us and uh

1146
01:33:52,080 --> 01:33:57,120
thanks for all your hard work. I really
like the colors you did on your uh

1147
01:33:55,600 --> 01:34:02,159
comprehensive plan. All those little
chapter pictures, those are nice. I like

1148
01:33:59,920 --> 01:34:07,280
that. They all look really great. Thank
you.

1149
01:34:05,040 --> 01:34:11,840
Sorry, I guess that leaves me. Um, thank
you and thanks for bearing with me. I'll

1150
01:34:09,920 --> 01:34:17,199
try and get better at these meetings.
Um, yeah, thank you guys for being here.

1151
01:34:14,239 --> 01:34:22,400
Thanks for all your guys' hard work and
we'll see you guys next week.

1152
01:34:20,560 --> 01:34:26,520
Oh, we're going to go ahead and adjourn
the meeting at 8:04.