1 00:00:21,960 --> 00:00:24,960 good evening everyone and Welcome to our 2 00:00:24,960 --> 00:00:30,599 last meeting in 2024 December 17 2024 3 00:00:30,599 --> 00:00:33,000 uh director Fitz could you please do a 4 00:00:33,000 --> 00:00:37,680 roll call Mayor James here councilman 5 00:00:37,680 --> 00:00:42,000 Winkler here councilman trolinger presid 6 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,960 councilwoman Bryant Ward pres councilman 7 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:48,800 Jenkins pres Adam Mary you have a quorum 8 00:00:48,800 --> 00:00:51,079 thank you very much if you all could 9 00:00:51,079 --> 00:00:52,559 stand and join us in the Pledge of 10 00:00:52,559 --> 00:00:55,270 Allegiance 11 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:58,719 please I PL allegiance to the flag from 12 00:00:58,719 --> 00:01:00,840 the United States of America 13 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:10,830 and to 14 00:01:10,840 --> 00:01:13,240 thece thank you Council if you've had a 15 00:01:13,240 --> 00:01:16,360 moment to uh look over the agenda I will 16 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:18,880 entertain a 17 00:01:18,880 --> 00:01:21,840 motion Madame mayor yes I move that we 18 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,960 accept the December 17 2024 meeting 19 00:01:24,960 --> 00:01:27,079 agenda as presented thank you very much 20 00:01:27,079 --> 00:01:28,200 do I have a 21 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,920 second second 22 00:01:30,920 --> 00:01:33,119 thank you any uh 23 00:01:33,119 --> 00:01:35,840 discussion all in favor please indicate 24 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:40,439 by saying I I motion 25 00:01:40,439 --> 00:01:43,749 carries 26 00:01:43,759 --> 00:01:49,079 next we have answer that see needs to be 27 00:01:49,079 --> 00:01:54,200 no she okay next on the agenda is the uh 28 00:01:54,200 --> 00:01:55,840 approval of the minutes from the regular 29 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,719 meeting I'm going to separate these out 30 00:01:58,719 --> 00:02:00,360 uh as two motions 31 00:02:00,360 --> 00:02:02,119 uh for the regular meeting of December 32 00:02:02,119 --> 00:02:05,200 10th 2024 do I have a motion to accept 33 00:02:05,200 --> 00:02:07,880 the uh to approve the minutes from the 34 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:10,920 regular meeting of December 10th 2024 35 00:02:10,920 --> 00:02:13,200 Madame mayor yes I move that we approve 36 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:15,040 the meeting the regular meeting minutes 37 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,239 of December 10th for 2024 as presented 38 00:02:18,239 --> 00:02:22,599 thank you very much do I have a second any 39 00:02:22,599 --> 00:02:24,879 discussion all in favor please indicate 40 00:02:24,879 --> 00:02:29,160 by saying I I I motion carries and if 41 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:30,959 you've had a opportunity to look at the 42 00:02:30,959 --> 00:02:33,040 closed session uh minutes I will 43 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:35,959 entertain a motion as well Madame mayor 44 00:02:35,959 --> 00:02:39,080 yes the December 10th Clos session 45 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,840 meeting minutes need to be amended to 46 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:44,800 remove Jay Gullo um as being in 47 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,280 attendance he wasn't ask to attend and 48 00:02:47,280 --> 00:02:49,440 with that I I make a motion that we 49 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,800 accept it with the corrections thank you 50 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:55,120 very much do I have a mo uh second to 51 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,280 accept the amended closed session 52 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,560 minutes Madam mayor I second the motion 53 00:03:00,560 --> 00:03:04,799 to accept the amended minutes for the 54 00:03:04,799 --> 00:03:08,239 Clos session all right thank you uh any 55 00:03:08,239 --> 00:03:10,480 discussion all in favor please indicate 56 00:03:10,480 --> 00:03:14,879 by saying I I any opposed motion carries 57 00:03:14,879 --> 00:03:17,519 all right that brings us to our uh 58 00:03:17,519 --> 00:03:19,280 public comment if anybody would like to 59 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:22,440 speak I ask that you state your name 60 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:24,360 whether you live within the Incorporated 61 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,480 Town limits and if you could limit your 62 00:03:27,480 --> 00:03:29,799 um talking points to 3 minutes that 63 00:03:29,799 --> 00:03:32,959 would be greatly appreciated any 64 00:03:32,959 --> 00:03:36,720 takers all right we'll go into our 65 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,360 monthly reports first up is the finance 66 00:03:40,360 --> 00:03:47,070 uh Department M uh Miss 67 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:49,480 Larson good evening Council any 68 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,280 questions regarding the um monthly 69 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:53,519 Treasures report all right I'll open the 70 00:03:53,519 --> 00:03:57,280 floor Council any questions go ahead 71 00:03:57,280 --> 00:04:00,879 thank you thank you Miss Lon um 72 00:04:00,879 --> 00:04:02,480 a couple questions 73 00:04:02,480 --> 00:04:06,120 um there's a um I'm not sure what page 74 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:10,000 is but it's a there's a 25% variance in 75 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,400 Year date with the sewer Enterprise fund 76 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:15,759 I think it's uh the pie chart 77 00:04:15,759 --> 00:04:20,519 on page 20 one of 78 00:04:20,519 --> 00:04:23,000 41 it's actually the spreadsheet in the 79 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,759 pie chart the sewer are you referring to 80 00:04:25,759 --> 00:04:27,919 the capital 81 00:04:27,919 --> 00:04:30,960 outlay well the total expenditures yeah 82 00:04:30,960 --> 00:04:32,720 that that so it's the capital it's the 83 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,320 projects we have two projects that are 84 00:04:35,320 --> 00:04:37,120 near completion we still have a few more 85 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:39,800 items on the Southwest quadrant okay and 86 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:42,080 um mod one those are coming to an end 87 00:04:42,080 --> 00:04:44,240 and that's why the decrease is 88 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:46,320 there and then there another variance 89 00:04:46,320 --> 00:04:48,759 for stor Water Management of 90 00:04:48,759 --> 00:04:52,199 88.6% and that's probably again the ms4 91 00:04:52,199 --> 00:04:55,199 on those projects 92 00:04:55,199 --> 00:04:59,199 okay all right any other questions for U 93 00:04:59,199 --> 00:05:02,150 Miss l 94 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:06,000 thank you very much all right next up is 95 00:05:06,000 --> 00:05:09,919 Human Resources Director Kennedy any uh 96 00:05:09,919 --> 00:05:12,600 questions for director Kennedy's 97 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:15,960 report mam mayor yes thank you director 98 00:05:15,960 --> 00:05:19,160 Kennedy has the RFP been put out for the 99 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:20,120 town 100 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,160 manager that was being um managed by the 101 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,360 assistant Town manager and yes they are 102 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:27,479 uh we are actively recruiting and taking 103 00:05:27,479 --> 00:05:30,199 first applications on January 20th 104 00:05:30,199 --> 00:05:31,600 okay are doing the first review I'm 105 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:33,360 sorry the first review of applications 106 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:35,680 on the 20th and we've received 107 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:38,960 applications the search firm has yes 108 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:41,440 okay thank 109 00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,759 you I'm G to do that question I'll just 110 00:05:43,759 --> 00:05:45,440 follow over the planning director any 111 00:05:45,440 --> 00:05:47,440 applications yet for the plan director 112 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:51,880 position um I have not heard but it has 113 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:54,960 gone out okay and then back to the town 114 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,080 man how many applications have you 115 00:05:57,080 --> 00:05:58,639 receed have they received is there a 116 00:05:58,639 --> 00:06:00,240 number 117 00:06:00,240 --> 00:06:05,960 last week 24 24 okay thank 118 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:09,360 you right any other questions answer 119 00:06:09,360 --> 00:06:11,560 mine thank you very 120 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,160 much all 121 00:06:14,160 --> 00:06:21,830 right director Mossy on 122 00:06:21,840 --> 00:06:27,830 up any questions for uh 123 00:06:27,840 --> 00:06:30,160 inspections thank you for the thanks 124 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:31,919 again and I know you're 125 00:06:31,919 --> 00:06:35,680 busy um several years ago there was a 126 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:38,560 request to look at enhancing our code 127 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:41,720 with a our our code Zone enforcement 128 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,960 talking about a livability code and I 129 00:06:43,960 --> 00:06:46,000 know it's kind of Fallen because of 130 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,680 different reasons is there any potential 131 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:49,199 that we maybe we could revive that 132 00:06:49,199 --> 00:06:50,759 because I know I provided an example 133 00:06:50,759 --> 00:06:53,319 from Westminster Maryland not that 134 00:06:53,319 --> 00:06:55,160 that's the end all be all but maybe that 135 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:56,520 can be a template for future 136 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:58,360 consideration and I asked the question 137 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:00,960 because uh there's 138 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:02,680 another 139 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:05,960 recurring let's to say trouble spot uh 140 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:10,599 in in our neighborhood and this uh I I 141 00:07:10,599 --> 00:07:13,039 my idea would be perhaps if we beef up 142 00:07:13,039 --> 00:07:15,560 our enforcement actions we get greater 143 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:17,440 compliance and perhaps have greater 144 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:19,720 credibility with with the state's 145 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,639 attorney and circuit court so I would 146 00:07:21,639 --> 00:07:23,560 just throw that out there absolutely 147 00:07:23,560 --> 00:07:25,000 it's my hope with the new planning 148 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:26,919 director we have a fresh start a clean 149 00:07:26,919 --> 00:07:29,319 slate we can work on that livability 150 00:07:29,319 --> 00:07:31,440 code code and then the other couple 151 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:33,280 issues that I noted on the monthly 152 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,680 report okay um dealing with very minor 153 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,280 issues um so we'll jump right in with 154 00:07:39,280 --> 00:07:41,520 the new director and get to work on the 155 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,479 code thank you you're very welcome any 156 00:07:44,479 --> 00:07:46,000 other 157 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,199 questions uh yes um I know we had a 158 00:07:50,199 --> 00:07:52,800 resident last week that came and you 159 00:07:52,800 --> 00:07:54,159 probably know about this because there 160 00:07:54,159 --> 00:07:55,960 was some further communication about it 161 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,599 via email that expressed some concerns 162 00:07:58,599 --> 00:08:00,639 with 163 00:08:00,639 --> 00:08:02,960 um you know the development of Pine 164 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:05,479 Grove and the effects thereof as far as 165 00:08:05,479 --> 00:08:09,199 sediment erosion and how the this 166 00:08:09,199 --> 00:08:10,720 particular developer has gotten in 167 00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:12,560 trouble in a different area of Maryland 168 00:08:12,560 --> 00:08:17,479 I'll be it um and I know um met a mayor 169 00:08:17,479 --> 00:08:19,720 I'm not sure if that was through 170 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:24,000 capacity as um acting Town manager or 171 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:27,240 not but regardless address those issues 172 00:08:27,240 --> 00:08:30,039 as far as it related to mde 173 00:08:30,039 --> 00:08:33,320 um compliance but I it it's come up a 174 00:08:33,320 --> 00:08:36,080 couple times where either councilman 175 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,519 Jenkins because his Ward is 176 00:08:38,519 --> 00:08:41,959 affected or myself because of 177 00:08:41,959 --> 00:08:46,440 agricopia um have asked in the past of 178 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:48,680 director Harrington or director stall 179 00:08:48,680 --> 00:08:53,120 when they were here do we have 180 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:54,720 enough 181 00:08:54,720 --> 00:09:02,600 manpower on the town side to ensure that developments that are going up in 182 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:07,160 our community are being watched and I 183 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:11,279 know we can't uncover every rock or 184 00:09:11,279 --> 00:09:14,240 watch every nail being hammered in um 185 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:16,720 but the response that councilman Jenkins 186 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,640 and I had gotten in the past was look we 187 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:25,440 use vendors everything's going fine I'll go drive over there and take a look 188 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:30,800 kind of a thing um what can we do or 189 00:09:30,800 --> 00:09:33,360 what are we already doing to know that 190 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,160 this is being taken care of or or does 191 00:09:36,160 --> 00:09:40,000 the town need more help in that aspect 192 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,720 I'd like to know what your thoughts are 193 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:44,519 yeah absolutely your Forte basically 194 00:09:44,519 --> 00:09:46,480 absolutely uh I know my personally 195 00:09:46,480 --> 00:09:48,399 myself and inspector clagett we're over 196 00:09:48,399 --> 00:09:50,880 there a whole lot uh we do our routine 197 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:52,320 patrols through the neighborhoods 198 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,440 keeping an eye on the construction I 199 00:09:54,440 --> 00:09:56,560 will say that uh when issues have come 200 00:09:56,560 --> 00:09:59,800 up over there um Dr Horton's very 201 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:02,399 responsive uh and we've had us there's 202 00:10:02,399 --> 00:10:04,360 always going to be growing pains uh with 203 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,519 any development anywhere um but they're 204 00:10:07,519 --> 00:10:10,200 very responsive uh they're very quick to 205 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:11,480 address any 206 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,760 issues um and it it it from my 207 00:10:14,760 --> 00:10:18,640 standpoint being over there every day um 208 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,120 it's going pretty smooth like I said 209 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:21,360 there's always going to be 210 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,680 hiccups um but I couldn't ask for a 211 00:10:23,680 --> 00:10:25,680 better crew over there to deal with any 212 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:28,040 issues that come up so I have to give 213 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,320 them credit where it's due 214 00:10:30,320 --> 00:10:32,720 um and as far as the coverage goes we 215 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:35,480 are keeping a close eye on it uh plan 216 00:10:35,480 --> 00:10:37,279 check does an excellent job for us they 217 00:10:37,279 --> 00:10:38,880 report any issues that they see when 218 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:41,120 they're in the field um so I'm very 219 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:44,920 confident that um things will happen 220 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:46,560 that we're not on site but we're quick 221 00:10:46,560 --> 00:10:49,279 to respond to it and um I don't see the 222 00:10:49,279 --> 00:10:50,800 need that we need any additional 223 00:10:50,800 --> 00:10:53,440 Personnel over there 224 00:10:53,440 --> 00:10:56,240 um it's it's actually running pretty 225 00:10:56,240 --> 00:11:00,560 good I know there's a lot of growth and 226 00:11:00,560 --> 00:11:03,839 I know even beside that you guys have 227 00:11:03,839 --> 00:11:05,440 lots of responsibilities on just 228 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:09,000 existing structures existing um codes 229 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:13,639 and so if there is a need um just let 230 00:11:13,639 --> 00:11:16,040 Council know because we don't obviously 231 00:11:16,040 --> 00:11:19,240 the the fix later on is going to be even 232 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:23,040 more painful than the growing pains um 233 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:25,880 and I guess maybe if there's any 234 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,399 opportunity to see where we may be 235 00:11:28,399 --> 00:11:31,680 vulnerable mhm um that would be helpful 236 00:11:31,680 --> 00:11:36,839 I know um just growing up in Damascus 237 00:11:36,839 --> 00:11:40,399 seeing Clarksburg the way they developed 238 00:11:40,399 --> 00:11:42,800 too fast and they had 239 00:11:42,800 --> 00:11:45,279 inspectors but essentially they they 240 00:11:45,279 --> 00:11:46,800 just did whatever they wanted and then 241 00:11:46,800 --> 00:11:49,079 later on there were fines but at that 242 00:11:49,079 --> 00:11:51,760 point the whole character and community 243 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:57,440 that was supposed to be put in place it was it was too late absolutely and 244 00:11:57,440 --> 00:11:59,680 I'm not saying we're at that point but 245 00:11:59,680 --> 00:12:02,120 it's something to just keep in mind you 246 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,760 know as Council like we we want we want 247 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,000 you to have what you need I appreciate 248 00:12:07,000 --> 00:12:08,839 that do you know what I mean absolutely 249 00:12:08,839 --> 00:12:11,000 thank 250 00:12:11,000 --> 00:12:13,920 you um you mentioned plan check do does 251 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:15,959 plan check do site 252 00:12:15,959 --> 00:12:18,880 visits they or do they just do a rud I 253 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:20,959 mean to cut off but or do they just do a 254 00:12:20,959 --> 00:12:23,760 preliminary like a plat approval you 255 00:12:23,760 --> 00:12:26,480 know um initially and 256 00:12:26,480 --> 00:12:29,480 then um do they do they do ongoing site 257 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:32,600 throughout the sure they do have 258 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:34,720 specific uh inspections that they go out 259 00:12:34,720 --> 00:12:37,360 to um but the inspectors at plan check 260 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:39,600 have they we work great with them and if 261 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,040 they see something in their travels uh 262 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:43,800 they'll report it to me so essentially 263 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,800 they're an extra set of OD absolutely 264 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,160 okay I just have one F question that 265 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:55,160 councilman TR brought up I just I just reminded that the previous plan 266 00:12:55,160 --> 00:12:57,240 director there she indicated they had 267 00:12:57,240 --> 00:12:59,680 monthly meetings with pine grve 268 00:12:59,680 --> 00:13:00,880 I believe that was the case so I don't 269 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:02,600 know whether because of the turb I know 270 00:13:02,600 --> 00:13:05,240 that's still happening no I have not had 271 00:13:05,240 --> 00:13:08,000 any direct contact with but to your best 272 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:10,279 recollection during those particular 273 00:13:10,279 --> 00:13:13,160 monthly meeting were there any red flags 274 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:15,399 or issues or concerns that were raised 275 00:13:15,399 --> 00:13:17,880 not at all not at all um I again I have 276 00:13:17,880 --> 00:13:20,320 to give them credit uh deal with all all 277 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,880 sorts of developers um but they run a 278 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,240 pretty tight ship over there and um 279 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,880 they've not given us any issues or any 280 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:29,800 concerns they seem to be on top of 281 00:13:29,800 --> 00:13:32,560 things councilman Jenkins I'll address 282 00:13:32,560 --> 00:13:37,320 that we do still meet monthly um aon's 283 00:13:37,320 --> 00:13:39,079 not part of those meetings but the town 284 00:13:39,079 --> 00:13:42,279 manager is uh Kirk is on those meetings 285 00:13:42,279 --> 00:13:46,519 as well as far and the engineers are on 286 00:13:46,519 --> 00:13:49,639 there um there's several people on those 287 00:13:49,639 --> 00:13:52,120 meetings and we are meeting monthly so 288 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:55,160 you don't I mean so I'll ask it again I 289 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:56,720 mean there so there's no red flags or 290 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,639 issues or indic 291 00:13:59,639 --> 00:14:02,120 or we had some back and forth things 292 00:14:02,120 --> 00:14:03,639 have gotten 293 00:14:03,639 --> 00:14:06,240 resolved okay thank 294 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:09,720 you and I would just like to um end with 295 00:14:09,720 --> 00:14:11,800 you know it was great that Miss pinkis 296 00:14:11,800 --> 00:14:15,240 brought this concern to council because 297 00:14:15,240 --> 00:14:20,399 it gave not only us uh awareness of that 298 00:14:20,399 --> 00:14:22,560 others are watching what's going on in 299 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:26,120 town but um our team was able to all get 300 00:14:26,120 --> 00:14:32,920 together and we spoke with mde and our soil and conservation Specialists uh 301 00:14:32,920 --> 00:14:34,639 storm water management the assits and 302 00:14:34,639 --> 00:14:37,720 town manager our our attorney and the 303 00:14:37,720 --> 00:14:40,600 developers attorney and the developer 304 00:14:40,600 --> 00:14:43,279 and I learned so much about the process 305 00:14:43,279 --> 00:14:45,920 and um Carrie was very responsive with 306 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:49,560 mde she said nope this happens all the 307 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,279 time and it's not unique to Pine grve 308 00:14:52,279 --> 00:14:54,480 and gave examples of other developments 309 00:14:54,480 --> 00:14:58,000 within our Incorporated Town limits that 310 00:14:58,000 --> 00:14:59,839 they may get some something that they're 311 00:14:59,839 --> 00:15:02,000 pinged on and immediately they fix it 312 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:04,759 it's kind of like and she told me it's 313 00:15:04,759 --> 00:15:07,880 like a um punch list when you buy a new 314 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:11,639 house you identified 10 things that may 315 00:15:11,639 --> 00:15:14,519 not be up to your standards and they're 316 00:15:14,519 --> 00:15:16,480 immediately addressed that doesn't mean 317 00:15:16,480 --> 00:15:19,279 that that has gone that's a black mark 318 00:15:19,279 --> 00:15:21,040 against them so it was a very 319 00:15:21,040 --> 00:15:24,079 educational thing for me as well and and 320 00:15:24,079 --> 00:15:25,800 appreciate all that you're doing big 321 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:30,480 project with a lot of moving parts and uh the the important thing to me in 322 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:33,519 inspections is if there's a problem how 323 00:15:33,519 --> 00:15:37,040 quickly do they address it and um and 324 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:38,480 they they've been pretty successful at 325 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:40,720 that with no push back so that's all I 326 00:15:40,720 --> 00:15:43,120 can ask right thank you and thank you 327 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,079 very much for your hard work too all 328 00:15:45,079 --> 00:15:52,110 right 329 00:15:52,120 --> 00:15:54,959 Chief good evening mayor and councel uh 330 00:15:54,959 --> 00:15:57,120 any questions from the police report 331 00:15:57,120 --> 00:15:58,360 well first of all I don't like that 332 00:15:58,360 --> 00:15:59,959 you're in front of Kings Grant right now 333 00:15:59,959 --> 00:16:01,279 for the reason that you're in front of 334 00:16:01,279 --> 00:16:02,800 Kings Grant so prayers to everyone 335 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:04,759 involved in that accident but thank you 336 00:16:04,759 --> 00:16:06,880 uh I understand on good authority that 337 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:09,600 the traffic is moving through and uh you 338 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:11,720 all are instrumental in that I'll open 339 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,600 up the floor for uh comments thank you 340 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:19,600 Madame mayor Chief in the um 21 22 23 we 341 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:21,680 were having problems with retention and 342 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,880 recruitment how are we doing with 343 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,480 retention well we we have done fairly 344 00:16:27,480 --> 00:16:29,880 well with retention uh I I did get 345 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:31,279 notice that one offer is going to be 346 00:16:31,279 --> 00:16:36,399 leaving this week but uh comparative to 347 00:16:36,399 --> 00:16:39,519 some of our other uh jurisdictions we 348 00:16:39,519 --> 00:16:42,480 haven't done too bad okay we we'd love 349 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:49,240 to keep it that way okay uh any other questions uh yes it's 350 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:51,759 just a comment uh Chief thanks for your 351 00:16:51,759 --> 00:16:54,440 report um I did want to thank you for 352 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:57,319 the continued uh Community work uh with 353 00:16:57,319 --> 00:17:00,199 your officers and toys for to program 354 00:17:00,199 --> 00:17:03,039 and with the Maryland State Police um it 355 00:17:03,039 --> 00:17:05,199 really uh was touching to see the 356 00:17:05,199 --> 00:17:08,439 Departments locally get together um and 357 00:17:08,439 --> 00:17:10,319 affect the community the way that you 358 00:17:10,319 --> 00:17:13,640 did I know sometimes um even though 359 00:17:13,640 --> 00:17:15,039 everybody's trying to do the right thing 360 00:17:15,039 --> 00:17:16,679 it's hard to get everybody on the same 361 00:17:16,679 --> 00:17:20,919 page and um it was great to see that so 362 00:17:20,919 --> 00:17:23,880 thank you for your work in that um 21 363 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:26,000 tons of food is a is a lot to pick up 364 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,960 and there it's a lot of cans you better 365 00:17:28,960 --> 00:17:31,039 have some friends to help you along the 366 00:17:31,039 --> 00:17:35,000 way right um I did want to ask you as 367 00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:37,160 far as 368 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:41,000 in this time of year typically we see 369 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:43,960 kind of a decrease in a number of 370 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,480 certain incidents and an increase of of 371 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,120 incidents at the big box stores is that 372 00:17:49,120 --> 00:17:53,160 what we're seeing typically right now is custom for this time of year we're 373 00:17:53,160 --> 00:17:56,320 not seeing as being as busy as the big 374 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,400 box stores and I think that has a lot to 375 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:02,400 do with uh loss prevention rules that 376 00:18:02,400 --> 00:18:04,520 the box stores have placed on their 377 00:18:04,520 --> 00:18:07,960 folks who do their security uh we do 378 00:18:07,960 --> 00:18:10,360 find that when we do have things uh some 379 00:18:10,360 --> 00:18:12,320 places the officer will get there and 380 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:14,000 they've already documented for this 381 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:16,280 particular individual of interest that 382 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:20,240 they've already had five 10 20 cases so 383 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,400 when the officer does go they're there 384 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,400 for the whole day writing a report or 385 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:28,039 whatever but uh uh as the council knows 386 00:18:28,039 --> 00:18:30,559 a uh they helped us purchase a couple of 387 00:18:30,559 --> 00:18:33,520 the trailers that have cameras on them 388 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:35,679 uh I know one's immobilized and the 389 00:18:35,679 --> 00:18:38,640 other one's going out and I think those 390 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:42,000 uh help deter crime at our big box 391 00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,799 stores uh but you also have this time of 392 00:18:44,799 --> 00:18:46,360 year where domestics and mental health 393 00:18:46,360 --> 00:18:49,000 calls go up and there's it there's been 394 00:18:49,000 --> 00:18:51,960 no uh no slowing down in those sorts of 395 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:53,120 calls for 396 00:18:53,120 --> 00:18:56,799 service um the other question was and 397 00:18:56,799 --> 00:18:59,360 Madam mayor mentioned it as actually the 398 00:18:59,360 --> 00:19:02,840 second time in what two two meetings 399 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:06,760 where we've had a very serious Collision 400 00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:08,400 out near bath on 401 00:19:08,400 --> 00:19:12,520 488 and you know that road is of course 402 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,640 where some of council resides like we're 403 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,480 off that road and it's a major thorough 404 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:19,840 away and we have talked 405 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:23,200 to um our Traffic Engineers along the 406 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,840 way the last couple years about what do 407 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:29,039 we need to do to get the attention of 408 00:19:29,039 --> 00:19:32,080 the state with regards to traffic coming 409 00:19:32,080 --> 00:19:35,480 in that area is there a report you guys 410 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,880 can run as far as number of incidents 411 00:19:38,880 --> 00:19:42,039 that we can be looking at comparison 412 00:19:42,039 --> 00:19:45,200 wise for the data between current and 413 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:47,159 maybe five years ago where we can 414 00:19:47,159 --> 00:19:49,360 present and packets at that that's 415 00:19:49,360 --> 00:19:51,720 actually pretty easy for us to generate 416 00:19:51,720 --> 00:19:53,480 through the uh Maryland State Police 417 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:57,720 Collision uh system and uh they're 418 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,520 really good about 419 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:04,880 it all goes by coordinates now but uh we can do that I can tell you that I 420 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:08,840 personally have walked from the area 421 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:10,760 there where the traffic light is now all 422 00:20:10,760 --> 00:20:12,520 the way up to the entrance of Kings 423 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:15,400 Grant with people from Sha citing the 424 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:18,240 challenges that we have and uh I I know 425 00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:19,919 they have lots of projects and lots of 426 00:20:19,919 --> 00:20:22,760 other things but um when we have 427 00:20:22,760 --> 00:20:24,960 collisions there they're usually serious 428 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,200 collisions I I don't know how bad the 429 00:20:27,200 --> 00:20:29,720 rollover was but tonight's in the roll 430 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,960 over um thank you yeah just let us know 431 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,600 when you get that together and you know 432 00:20:35,600 --> 00:20:37,919 Chief even something as simple as a 433 00:20:37,919 --> 00:20:40,960 putting um a reflective mirror up there 434 00:20:40,960 --> 00:20:43,120 is so they can see because 435 00:20:43,120 --> 00:20:46,280 usually uh the the accidents are because 436 00:20:46,280 --> 00:20:48,480 someone is turning and someone is going 437 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,720 straight and that person coming out of 438 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,360 the entrance is not they can't see that 439 00:20:53,360 --> 00:20:54,960 other car and that's usually what 440 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:57,600 happens and I've been asking for that I 441 00:20:57,600 --> 00:20:59,679 didn't think that would be so difficult 442 00:20:59,679 --> 00:21:02,280 to provide I I remember that 443 00:21:02,280 --> 00:21:04,760 conversation in the Sha telling us that 444 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,400 the mirrors were not something that they 445 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,679 use as a a traffic cing device but uh I 446 00:21:10,679 --> 00:21:17,080 think as the council can see we had uh three fatal collisions in four days 447 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:19,240 and our collisions I think it was last 448 00:21:19,240 --> 00:21:22,360 month we we really exceeded the number 449 00:21:22,360 --> 00:21:24,640 of collisions that we had year to date 450 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:26,919 so uh uh it's things that we keep an eye 451 00:21:26,919 --> 00:21:28,960 on and we we do try to do traffic 452 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,760 enforcement in those areas but the calls 453 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,520 for service this time of year tend to 454 00:21:33,520 --> 00:21:35,120 keep our folks 455 00:21:35,120 --> 00:21:38,600 busy anything else but go ahead thank 456 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,360 you Madame Chief is there anything we 457 00:21:40,360 --> 00:21:42,600 can do on Ken Avenue we've got a lot of 458 00:21:42,600 --> 00:21:44,760 kids that walk up and down there and I'm 459 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:47,880 telling you folk are going at least 40 460 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:50,360 miles an hour on Kent Avenue this one 461 00:21:50,360 --> 00:21:53,080 car came around yesterday and it was 462 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,960 going so fast it bearded into the other 463 00:21:54,960 --> 00:21:57,880 lane something has got to happen because 464 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,320 they are not observing that 25 miles an 465 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,480 hour we can uh we can do two things we 466 00:22:02,480 --> 00:22:04,039 can do enforcement we can also put the 467 00:22:04,039 --> 00:22:05,720 speed trailer out to give us some sort 468 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:09,240 of idea about car counts it and I know 469 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:11,000 when they see the speed trailer the 470 00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:12,679 natural tendency is for people to slow 471 00:22:12,679 --> 00:22:15,960 down but it helps us pick up on the most 472 00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:18,080 active times of the day for that roadway 473 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:19,600 because it gives us car counts and 474 00:22:19,600 --> 00:22:22,240 that's helpful for enforcement 475 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,600 okay thank you just to concur with 476 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,760 councilwoman Bryant Ward and councilman 477 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,919 trer I mean we've talked about it and 478 00:22:29,919 --> 00:22:32,520 it's again happening in Clark's run I 479 00:22:32,520 --> 00:22:35,480 mean this morning this young lady I know 480 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:37,720 where she lives must have gone 50 miles 481 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,240 an hour down east pin and I'm walking in 482 00:22:40,240 --> 00:22:42,039 the street with two dogs and two other 483 00:22:42,039 --> 00:22:46,600 people anyway um so uh so I certainly 484 00:22:46,600 --> 00:22:49,000 concur that you guys are stretched 485 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:51,480 because of the calls and enforcement is 486 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:55,440 not it's one element of it so uh Ive 487 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:57,200 I've still attempted to get the clock 488 00:22:57,200 --> 00:22:59,039 run citizens Association meet with you 489 00:22:59,039 --> 00:23:02,440 guys and I can't get them a date yet 490 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:03,880 they haven't given me a date I'll reach 491 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,159 out to them again because they're 492 00:23:06,159 --> 00:23:08,799 interested in doing that so and then 493 00:23:08,799 --> 00:23:10,520 we're happy to do so I know you are and 494 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:13,000 I tell them that but I I can't drag the 495 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:14,480 horse to water if they don't want to do 496 00:23:14,480 --> 00:23:16,720 it but I'll keep trying and then I know 497 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,200 I forwarded to you and maybe the council 498 00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:20,799 different techniques for traffic 499 00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:23,120 neighborhood traffic coming that I 500 00:23:23,120 --> 00:23:25,320 believe as a council we should try to 501 00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:27,039 look at those as 502 00:23:27,039 --> 00:23:29,520 policies as part of either complete 503 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:34,000 Street or or zero you know traffic zero 504 00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,960 because the state's now doing it and and 505 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:37,440 so the other jurisdiction and I would 506 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,720 just throw that out there for further 507 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,640 discussion thank you we're happy to be 508 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:43,919 part of that discussion thank you thank 509 00:23:43,919 --> 00:23:52,830 you Chief keep for great Work Director 510 00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,559 fips all right I will open the floor for 511 00:23:55,559 --> 00:24:03,669 any questions for director fips 512 00:24:03,679 --> 00:24:05,919 thank you keep up the great work and the 513 00:24:05,919 --> 00:24:11,559 great report all right um the planning 514 00:24:11,559 --> 00:24:14,640 do you want to take any questions uh 515 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:17,799 since uh Celia might not be on but any 516 00:24:17,799 --> 00:24:22,120 questions for planning I will try okay 517 00:24:22,120 --> 00:24:23,400 go ahead I have thank you I have a 518 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,000 couple questions uh in her report talks 519 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,480 about reviewed rosewick scoping proposal 520 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:32,159 I don't know what that is I don't that 521 00:24:32,159 --> 00:24:34,640 was the one that was the one I don't 522 00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:36,559 have any answer okay I'm sorry about 523 00:24:36,559 --> 00:24:38,080 that and then 524 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:40,279 um what else I had something else I 525 00:24:40,279 --> 00:24:44,919 can't remember what it was oh um so and the there's a bullet about 526 00:24:44,919 --> 00:24:46,720 annexation oh the last one reviewed 527 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,360 annexation restrictions draft Ordinance 528 00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:50,880 do you have any information about what 529 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,760 that is um there's a rule now that when 530 00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:56,320 the zoning changes when and property is 531 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:58,760 beinged from the county and the zoning 532 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,000 there's a 5e wait right putting that in 533 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,159 ordinance form we do not have that in 534 00:25:04,159 --> 00:25:05,520 ordinance oh you just going to 535 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,440 institutionalize it in the order clean 536 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:10,279 it up to the state law yes thank 537 00:25:10,279 --> 00:25:12,679 you any other 538 00:25:12,679 --> 00:25:14,760 questions go ahead thank you Madame 539 00:25:14,760 --> 00:25:19,279 mayor um so with all of the growth right 540 00:25:19,279 --> 00:25:23,399 how do we prepare as a town to increase 541 00:25:23,399 --> 00:25:26,279 our capacity to service all of the 542 00:25:26,279 --> 00:25:28,039 growth that we're experiencing is that 543 00:25:28,039 --> 00:25:30,840 something planning looks at you know I 544 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,880 can't imagine that we could continue to 545 00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:34,880 maintain the town on the existing 546 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:37,240 Staffing levels that we have additional 547 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,279 homes you know additional trash how do 548 00:25:40,279 --> 00:25:42,799 we main how do we prepare for that type 549 00:25:42,799 --> 00:25:46,200 of growth well they do maintain all 550 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:48,200 those figures they have to report those 551 00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:50,640 to the state department of planning each 552 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:54,159 year the population growth they keep 553 00:25:54,159 --> 00:25:56,600 track of that the building permits and 554 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:59,120 all of that 555 00:25:59,120 --> 00:26:01,039 that's something I would think we would 556 00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:03,679 talk about during the budget season and 557 00:26:03,679 --> 00:26:06,720 when we're doing our strategic 558 00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,120 planning and also if I can add on to 559 00:26:09,120 --> 00:26:10,760 that with the developers they are 560 00:26:10,760 --> 00:26:14,200 required to do traffic um reports they 561 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,520 uh to they do impact reports as well to 562 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,520 impact uh on the schools on the roads 563 00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,919 all of that that is all part of their 564 00:26:22,919 --> 00:26:25,360 package that they have to submit and you 565 00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:26,640 probably know better than I do because 566 00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:28,919 it comes to the Planning Commission uh 567 00:26:28,919 --> 00:26:33,440 and now we've got uh apfo that should be 568 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,919 coming out in January that has been 569 00:26:35,919 --> 00:26:38,720 reviewed and written and U being 570 00:26:38,720 --> 00:26:40,679 reviewed so th that's how they do that 571 00:26:40,679 --> 00:26:43,559 they are required to do studies upon 572 00:26:43,559 --> 00:26:45,799 studies but that's not the question the 573 00:26:45,799 --> 00:26:49,360 question is for us as a town as a 574 00:26:49,360 --> 00:26:52,080 municipality infrastructure do we have 575 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:55,159 the Staffing that's adequate to cover 576 00:26:55,159 --> 00:26:57,120 the services that we have you know we 577 00:26:57,120 --> 00:26:59,159 could cover you know know the smaller 578 00:26:59,159 --> 00:27:00,399 developments that most of the 579 00:27:00,399 --> 00:27:02,559 developments that we have are not really 580 00:27:02,559 --> 00:27:05,480 big I just noticed Pine grve has town 581 00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:10,159 homes on um rosewick and St Charles so 582 00:27:10,159 --> 00:27:12,760 how do we prepare when when we are 583 00:27:12,760 --> 00:27:14,440 looking at picking up trash with the 584 00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,559 number of um you know staff members that 585 00:27:17,559 --> 00:27:20,440 we have are we adequately going to be 586 00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:23,000 able to do that without over tasking 587 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,480 them you know are they going to be 588 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,600 picking up trash from sun up to sun down 589 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:29,799 you know well that that it's going to be 590 00:27:29,799 --> 00:27:31,480 something we need to talk with each 591 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,640 director about um Pine grve that example 592 00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:37,840 was one that um previous director um 593 00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,200 Garner was looking into yeah um those 594 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,080 are things we're going to need to 595 00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:45,159 discuss yes the schools I'm not 596 00:27:45,159 --> 00:27:46,640 concerned about because I know that's 597 00:27:46,640 --> 00:27:49,320 going to happen but as a municipality 598 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:53,919 we're confined by Resources by space by 599 00:27:53,919 --> 00:27:56,120 you know building capacity to sta staff 600 00:27:56,120 --> 00:27:58,919 and house them we only have so many 601 00:27:58,919 --> 00:28:01,080 garbage trucks so many people to work 602 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:04,120 the garbage trucks and with time off and 603 00:28:04,120 --> 00:28:06,519 everything now just making sure that we 604 00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:09,799 are adequate to take care of those needs 605 00:28:09,799 --> 00:28:11,320 um one of the things we've always said 606 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:12,919 we want to be able to provide the same 607 00:28:12,919 --> 00:28:15,799 level of service great service that we 608 00:28:15,799 --> 00:28:17,760 provided in the past and how do we make 609 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:20,120 sure that we do that keep doing 610 00:28:20,120 --> 00:28:22,960 that go ahead ask I just want to add a 611 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:25,559 comment g go 612 00:28:25,559 --> 00:28:30,760 ahead uh I had a question as to um so 613 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:32,240 mayor James mentioned that the 614 00:28:32,240 --> 00:28:34,519 developers are required to of course 615 00:28:34,519 --> 00:28:37,559 provide impact studies whether it's 616 00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:41,760 traffic or environment or whatever 617 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:47,519 um in our growth as I think a more 618 00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:51,640 mature municipality in getting a an 619 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,600 engineer um that we begin to work with 620 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,559 um is is there an opportunity for us to 621 00:28:59,559 --> 00:29:03,399 also have um maybe look at an 622 00:29:03,399 --> 00:29:06,240 independent entity that can 623 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:08,880 evaluate traffic studies 624 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,559 because um when someone is coming for an 625 00:29:11,559 --> 00:29:13,840 application and we've seen this multiple 626 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,120 times for their own 627 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,880 development it is not comprehensive as 628 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:20,519 it relates to the other developments 629 00:29:20,519 --> 00:29:23,000 that are going up either simultaneously 630 00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:27,000 or close in time and unfortunately 631 00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,880 that's not how we live 632 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,559 right so development on one side of town 633 00:29:31,559 --> 00:29:33,240 is certainly going to affect the traffic 634 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,760 flow on the other and I've noticed that 635 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:39,240 they all come back pretty clean and 636 00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,440 pretty non-disruptive and unfortunately 637 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:45,279 six is not that way right and 638 00:29:45,279 --> 00:29:49,279 so uh just in what I do for a profession 639 00:29:49,279 --> 00:29:53,200 there are experts on multiple sides and 640 00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:57,679 unfortunately sometimes um they're paid in a way that supports 641 00:29:57,679 --> 00:29:59,080 their position position before it's 642 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,799 written and I don't want to say that is 643 00:30:01,799 --> 00:30:04,679 what what happens but it's ripe for for 644 00:30:04,679 --> 00:30:08,799 that and so I would say like maybe as we 645 00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:12,279 work on kind of growing out and securing 646 00:30:12,279 --> 00:30:14,640 our infrastructure as councilwoman 647 00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:17,159 Bryant Ward discusses like making sure 648 00:30:17,159 --> 00:30:19,240 we can produce the services our 649 00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:22,360 residents need that we look at perhaps 650 00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:23,240 an 651 00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:26,039 independent traffic engineer at the same 652 00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:29,799 time um because that's they're going to 653 00:30:29,799 --> 00:30:33,120 have the town's best interest in mind as 654 00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:36,399 we evaluate and they can look for any 655 00:30:36,399 --> 00:30:38,640 vulnerabilities as to something produced 656 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,279 by the developer not not to say ill 657 00:30:41,279 --> 00:30:45,480 intent but could happen no 658 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:48,600 but any other questions go ahead thank 659 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:50,720 you I I would concur with the previous 660 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:53,760 comments by counciler and Council Bryant 661 00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:55,159 Ward 662 00:30:55,159 --> 00:30:59,799 um the other related issue I remember I thought in early in our term 663 00:30:59,799 --> 00:31:02,200 didn't we we did a sta a staffing 664 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:06,639 analysis and study um so I'm going to 665 00:31:06,639 --> 00:31:08,039 make a big assumption that perhaps 666 00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:10,559 that's still somewhat valid and perhaps 667 00:31:10,559 --> 00:31:12,960 that can provide some guidance as we go 668 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,559 into the budget season of what staffing 669 00:31:15,559 --> 00:31:17,760 needs we may or may not need in the 670 00:31:17,760 --> 00:31:20,679 future and then I would again throw out 671 00:31:20,679 --> 00:31:23,720 um which was proposed in last year's 672 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,200 budget then it was 673 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:29,440 removed uh uh an analys that's because 674 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,240 land use patterns have a significant 675 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:35,159 physcal impact on us 676 00:31:35,159 --> 00:31:37,080 infrastructure and and I know there was 677 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,519 a budget item that was in the budget in 678 00:31:40,519 --> 00:31:43,080 FY 24 but for some reason it was removed 679 00:31:43,080 --> 00:31:46,279 in the current budget a $90,000 study to 680 00:31:46,279 --> 00:31:49,120 do a land use analysis of the impact of 681 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,120 different land uses on our fiscal 682 00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:54,279 sustainability and I would again argue 683 00:31:54,279 --> 00:31:59,000 for that as well thank you all right 684 00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,760 last but not 685 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:04,080 least acting 686 00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,600 director 687 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:10,600 wood any questions for public 688 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,279 works thank you you came prepared 689 00:32:13,279 --> 00:32:15,240 tonight with two little iPad 690 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,960 huh he stepped up there looking like a 691 00:32:17,960 --> 00:32:23,440 director um question SMI um who monitors 692 00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:26,840 the lights for smco we have all around 693 00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,159 that our town the lights are out once 694 00:32:29,159 --> 00:32:31,840 before the light there was a a light out 695 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,320 at the parking rod and um I work with 696 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,360 Brent to get that light turned back on 697 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,880 or bul replaced or whatever but we've 698 00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:43,960 got it all across you know the town 699 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,039 where they're out and the base of some 700 00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:49,919 of the light poles are eroding and I'm 701 00:32:49,919 --> 00:32:51,880 afraid that they're going to topple over 702 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,840 so who takes us who does that who looks 703 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:58,639 at that um I'm not 100% sure if 704 00:32:58,639 --> 00:33:01,519 uh if we do that or if Smo is 705 00:33:01,519 --> 00:33:03,120 responsible 706 00:33:03,120 --> 00:33:05,799 for I don't believe Smo riding around 707 00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:07,519 looking to 708 00:33:07,519 --> 00:33:11,039 see I'll address that for you okay um 709 00:33:11,039 --> 00:33:14,080 smco is responsible for them but they do 710 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,080 not they do not we have to report them 711 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:18,840 we have to physically go out there and 712 00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,080 get the the there's a number on the 713 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:23,720 light pole and report that to get it 714 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:26,559 changed so I got to walk around steeple 715 00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:28,600 just and get the number 716 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,600 we do that in King's grand for sure 717 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,200 taking Brooklyn yes but we we report 718 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,840 that just make out okay so the next 719 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,399 question I can't remember who did it or 720 00:33:42,399 --> 00:33:44,760 why but they came through and that's 721 00:33:44,760 --> 00:33:47,639 when they were shaving the sidewalks 722 00:33:47,639 --> 00:33:50,000 down because the trees were uprooting 723 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,880 them and making them an Mak them a trip 724 00:33:52,880 --> 00:33:56,240 Hazard so it must have stopped because 725 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:58,519 we have all of these marking on the 726 00:33:58,519 --> 00:34:00,720 sidewalk and nothing's been done in over 727 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,159 a year with those 728 00:34:02,159 --> 00:34:04,679 markings yes so we 729 00:34:04,679 --> 00:34:08,000 have a list of all the sidewalks in the 730 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,040 town that uh need to be repaired or 731 00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,679 replaced and we're uh trying to come up 732 00:34:12,679 --> 00:34:16,560 with a contract to uh get all that taken 733 00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:17,800 care of 734 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:21,599 okay so uh I was working with Kristen 735 00:34:21,599 --> 00:34:25,720 and uh we're going to put more detail 736 00:34:25,720 --> 00:34:28,359 into it so like if we have a contractor 737 00:34:28,359 --> 00:34:31,560 come out to uh look at it they're more 738 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:34,359 aware what they're going to have to work 739 00:34:34,359 --> 00:34:37,359 with Okay and last question how are we 740 00:34:37,359 --> 00:34:39,879 on the meters are we at 100% yet because 741 00:34:39,879 --> 00:34:42,879 we were supposed to be 100% first year 742 00:34:42,879 --> 00:34:46,079 in we're in the high 90s I think it's 743 00:34:46,079 --> 00:34:49,320 like 97% so we probably never gonna hit 744 00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:51,720 100% might as well just live with that 745 00:34:51,720 --> 00:34:55,040 97% okay thank you so much all right any 746 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,760 other questions just just a thank you 747 00:34:57,760 --> 00:34:58,760 cuz I 748 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,240 know between leaf removal and water man 749 00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:04,119 breaks you'll probably be sick of me 750 00:35:04,119 --> 00:35:05,920 talking to you so I want I want to 751 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:07,960 publicly say thank you for you guys 752 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,480 going the asra exra effort and I as we 753 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:13,000 talked earlier I tried to tell the 754 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,280 community that there at times there are 755 00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:16,800 things that are beyond the control of 756 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:19,160 the pl and Public Works namely the 757 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,680 weather and the water main breaks and 758 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:23,880 then sometimes priorities change like 759 00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:27,240 water system versus leaf leaf pickup so 760 00:35:27,240 --> 00:35:28,960 I appre appreciate you you and your 761 00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,880 staff doing that job thank you very much 762 00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:34,359 thank you all right good thank you very 763 00:35:34,359 --> 00:35:37,800 much all right so matters of council 764 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,880 discussion pension Pension Plan update 765 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,829 director 766 00:35:44,839 --> 00:35:48,240 Kennedy thank you mayor and councel um 767 00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:50,760 as requested I am putting together a 768 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,200 separate uh memo here 769 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:56,040 for uh where we are with the pension uh 770 00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:57,920 last month when I was here the the 771 00:35:57,920 --> 00:36:00,800 council had asked for some documentation 772 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:02,319 and further information about where did 773 00:36:02,319 --> 00:36:03,920 some of the numbers come from that I had 774 00:36:03,920 --> 00:36:05,880 presented last month so I was able to go 775 00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,800 back to the vendors have them create um 776 00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:10,359 something like a statement of work that 777 00:36:10,359 --> 00:36:12,839 would better explain where the data is 778 00:36:12,839 --> 00:36:15,200 coming from and why the projected costs 779 00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,599 are so much more than we initially 780 00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:18,839 planned for and what we had budgeted for 781 00:36:18,839 --> 00:36:21,240 so I've included them um the USI summary 782 00:36:21,240 --> 00:36:23,240 was there um when we went to publication 783 00:36:23,240 --> 00:36:25,040 and then today I was able to get the 784 00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,760 final answers and information from amret 785 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,920 so those were included to in a separate 786 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,160 email um neither of those organizations 787 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:34,560 were able to meet with the council as 788 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,480 requested um before the end of the year 789 00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:38,720 because of the holidays and their staff 790 00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:42,200 taking vacations they have um USI is 791 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,119 committed to being here late um next 792 00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:47,119 month for the January 28th meeting and 793 00:36:47,119 --> 00:36:51,440 Amrit is I believe waiting um for final 794 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:52,800 information from their team about when 795 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,319 their availability is either for January 796 00:36:55,319 --> 00:36:58,160 14th or for one of the February dates 797 00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:59,480 um so what we wanted to do in the 798 00:36:59,480 --> 00:37:00,800 meantime is make sure you had something 799 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,560 in front of you that showed kind of what 800 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,200 the costs are where our hurdles are 801 00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:06,760 going to be where some of the expenses 802 00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:08,640 are how many moving pieces are part of 803 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,079 this Pension Plan creation um and then 804 00:37:12,079 --> 00:37:14,680 um what we've what we thought would be 805 00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,960 the best plan to do is have you guys 806 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:22,359 have these in front of you read them and if you have any further or continued 807 00:37:22,359 --> 00:37:24,560 questions to give them and send them to 808 00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,960 me by the 10th that way we can give them 809 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,359 and pass them along to the vendors so 810 00:37:29,359 --> 00:37:31,440 that they have time to prepare answers 811 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:32,880 and have all the information ready for 812 00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,599 you when they do come and 813 00:37:35,599 --> 00:37:38,480 present right do I have I'll open the 814 00:37:38,480 --> 00:37:40,800 floor any questions for director Kennedy 815 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:42,800 on 816 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,720 this go ahead thanks again for the work 817 00:37:45,720 --> 00:37:48,800 and the effort i i u is it possible 818 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,640 to have a a sheet or whatever where you 819 00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,400 where all the pl are compared on one 820 00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,880 piece of paper or you know column A is 821 00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,240 this I mean is it this to me right now 822 00:37:59,240 --> 00:38:00,839 for me this is a little disjointed so 823 00:38:00,839 --> 00:38:03,400 I'm having a hard time P together we're 824 00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,680 not anywhere near a comparison plan yet 825 00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:08,640 right now we're looking at just these 826 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:10,760 are the con these are the Consultants 827 00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,119 that are getting all those pieces 828 00:38:12,119 --> 00:38:13,640 together and that the administrative 829 00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,359 costs are already exceeding um what 830 00:38:17,359 --> 00:38:19,720 we've budgeted by two to three times and 831 00:38:19,720 --> 00:38:22,359 also one of the plans doubles the amount 832 00:38:22,359 --> 00:38:24,960 that we budgeted for even like the 833 00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:28,920 initial payment to start the fund um so 834 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,040 we're not even at the pen to paper stage 835 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,359 yet and that's what I was trying to 836 00:38:32,359 --> 00:38:35,000 explain last month is that because these 837 00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:36,720 costs are already escalating so much 838 00:38:36,720 --> 00:38:38,359 more than what we were that this is 839 00:38:38,359 --> 00:38:40,480 still the intent to keep going because 840 00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,560 we will have to have a budget amendment 841 00:38:42,560 --> 00:38:44,560 once we get to get into these contracts 842 00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:46,480 to continue working on this plan because 843 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:48,920 it is more than what we 844 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,000 anticipated so that's why we've got this 845 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:53,280 in front of you is to have those further 846 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:56,920 questions about um where we go from here 847 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,440 well we get more information um in 848 00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:05,560 January when they when uh USI comes here 849 00:39:05,560 --> 00:39:08,440 will they be able to say here's exactly 850 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,880 what we can do for you is that the 851 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:15,119 intent for January or and um AMR this is 852 00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:17,800 what we can and cannot do in that way we 853 00:39:17,800 --> 00:39:18,800 can 854 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:21,319 have a conversation with them saying 855 00:39:21,319 --> 00:39:24,640 okay we kind of understand and this is 856 00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,160 quite admittedly above my head on this 857 00:39:27,160 --> 00:39:29,079 but what they're trying to put together 858 00:39:29,079 --> 00:39:31,520 is that the kind of conversation you 859 00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:35,160 envision on um in January I I I believe 860 00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:39,240 the conversation is going to be just to better help answer the counil 861 00:39:39,240 --> 00:39:41,040 questions about the challenges um with 862 00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:43,119 the plan that we are trying to create 863 00:39:43,119 --> 00:39:45,800 okay thank you go ahead thank you Madame 864 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,319 mayor is it possible for us to see the 865 00:39:48,319 --> 00:39:51,160 ask what is the scope of the work that 866 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,960 we're asking these actuarials to do I I 867 00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:57,720 gave um I gave them the 12 bullet points 868 00:39:57,720 --> 00:39:59,119 that the council selected out of the 869 00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:00,640 Bolton plan and I said we would like to 870 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:02,480 make a plan based on these 12 bullet 871 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,440 points so if I go so you're telling me 872 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:07,000 to go back where to look at that the 873 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:08,720 December 19th meeting when Bolton 874 00:40:08,720 --> 00:40:12,119 presented their um their their summary 875 00:40:12,119 --> 00:40:13,440 of the different plan options that the 876 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:15,319 council got to look at and choose 877 00:40:15,319 --> 00:40:18,319 December 19th 2023 yep and it should be 878 00:40:18,319 --> 00:40:21,359 also in the approved budget um for 879 00:40:21,359 --> 00:40:23,319 fiscal year 25 because we also included 880 00:40:23,319 --> 00:40:29,670 a copy of that in there I believe 881 00:40:29,680 --> 00:40:31,960 all right any other 882 00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:35,040 questions go 883 00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:37,440 ahead is there 884 00:40:37,440 --> 00:40:41,079 any I don't know how to how to I guess 885 00:40:41,079 --> 00:40:47,079 what I'm kind of still hung up on is Bolton was hired and and obviously I 886 00:40:47,079 --> 00:40:49,200 came into this this late to the to the 887 00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,560 table so to speak and it had already 888 00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,319 been discussed but Bolton came with a 889 00:40:53,319 --> 00:40:55,560 selection of 890 00:40:55,560 --> 00:40:58,680 ideas but nobody ever asked whether they 891 00:40:58,680 --> 00:41:01,119 were feasible or whether they were even 892 00:41:01,119 --> 00:41:04,319 practical I guess is what I'm so is 893 00:41:04,319 --> 00:41:07,359 there is there any response from this 894 00:41:07,359 --> 00:41:09,960 USI or amret as 895 00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,480 to what Bolton has suggested if that 896 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:14,560 could be 897 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:17,599 tweaked to be more accommodating or to 898 00:41:17,599 --> 00:41:19,400 be 899 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,040 more I guess um match what's already 900 00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:24,960 existing in the marketplace that was 901 00:41:24,960 --> 00:41:26,520 actually their first response when I 902 00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:29,280 handed the the B bullet points to them 903 00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:32,079 their first response was we should maybe 904 00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:34,400 tweak and try something different 905 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,400 yeah they um to do it exactly as written 906 00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:39,359 they said would be very challenging so I 907 00:41:39,359 --> 00:41:42,560 guess I mean if if Bolton had suggested 908 00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,880 that we build a spaceship to Mars 909 00:41:44,880 --> 00:41:47,280 whether that's practical or not I mean 910 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:49,520 that's what we're trying to do correct 911 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:51,319 yeah what what Bolton provided us was 912 00:41:51,319 --> 00:41:53,480 some very very high level Concepts and 913 00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:54,880 made a lot of assumptions a lot of 914 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:58,359 vagaries okay I think that that's we can 915 00:41:58,359 --> 00:42:00,640 spin our wheels and try to create 916 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:02,280 something that's 917 00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,720 non-existent or we can go and find 918 00:42:04,720 --> 00:42:06,680 something that's already in place that 919 00:42:06,680 --> 00:42:08,960 matches what the police 920 00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,400 officers are are entitled to and what 921 00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:13,280 they're asking for and just find 922 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:16,640 something that more is in line with 923 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:18,640 where the work's already been done 924 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:20,559 because I I I if I hear you correctly 925 00:42:20,559 --> 00:42:23,240 you're saying this isn't just to run the 926 00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:24,960 plan this is just to get it up and 927 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:26,800 running is already exceeded and and some 928 00:42:26,800 --> 00:42:29,440 estimate of the annual um annual 929 00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,040 Administration once it is in planned um 930 00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:34,040 so these numbers also include the legal 931 00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,440 plan document which is will be that 932 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,119 probably just that one time cost unless 933 00:42:39,119 --> 00:42:41,760 the plan changes in the future because 934 00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:43,440 um the idea was that this wraps around 935 00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:45,200 Maryland so if Maryland changes then we 936 00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:46,480 have to go through the legal process 937 00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:48,720 again um so the legal part would be a 938 00:42:48,720 --> 00:42:50,359 one-time cost and then the 939 00:42:50,359 --> 00:42:52,680 administrative fees are are significant 940 00:42:52,680 --> 00:42:54,240 year-over-year and then we already know 941 00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:55,839 one of them said the Actuarial F go up 942 00:42:55,839 --> 00:42:58,520 at least 3% every year 943 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:00,559 okay and this includes public works as 944 00:43:00,559 --> 00:43:03,640 well yes thank you Madame mayor yes um 945 00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:06,359 councilman Winkler just a correction 946 00:43:06,359 --> 00:43:10,359 when Bolton sat here this was based upon 947 00:43:10,359 --> 00:43:12,720 we received a list of other 948 00:43:12,720 --> 00:43:16,559 municipalities who had this outside of 949 00:43:16,559 --> 00:43:19,359 um the big thing at that time was um 950 00:43:19,359 --> 00:43:22,040 what was the plan leops and we said we 951 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,480 were not doing leops corre find other 952 00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,680 municipalities of similar size and scope 953 00:43:27,680 --> 00:43:29,920 and what are they doing and they did 954 00:43:29,920 --> 00:43:32,760 have plans for their Police Department 955 00:43:32,760 --> 00:43:34,960 that's what Bolton brought to us the 956 00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:37,480 recommendations we had multiple 957 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,720 conversations and at the the last 958 00:43:39,720 --> 00:43:42,599 conversation ended with Miss Larson 959 00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:46,440 saying that one is doable that's why we 960 00:43:46,440 --> 00:43:48,800 moved forward we we didn't have one 961 00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:50,400 conversation we had several 962 00:43:50,400 --> 00:43:52,800 conversations looking at the carve out 963 00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:54,960 and what could and couldn't be done we 964 00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:57,800 moved forward because when we got 965 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:00,160 different conversations we saidwell that 966 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:01,880 won't work if we do that this is going 967 00:44:01,880 --> 00:44:05,079 to be that the in the last conversation 968 00:44:05,079 --> 00:44:07,960 that made this Council move forward with 969 00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:11,400 the plan and we all moved forward was 970 00:44:11,400 --> 00:44:14,599 because we were told this was 971 00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:16,720 doable disagree with that statement 972 00:44:16,720 --> 00:44:18,640 because you weren't pres it was never 973 00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,880 said it was doable yes it I would I 974 00:44:20,880 --> 00:44:23,040 suggest that you go back and look at the 975 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,200 umil meeting counc Brian word I'm not 976 00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:26,480 trying to be argumentative but the 977 00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,119 evidence is such this plan does not 978 00:44:29,119 --> 00:44:31,800 exist in the United States if I can 979 00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,000 interrupt for a second the the its 980 00:44:34,000 --> 00:44:37,839 doable plan was based on much lower 981 00:44:37,839 --> 00:44:39,640 administrative costs and a much lower 982 00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:41,400 buyin and now that we're discovering 983 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,240 that that is not the case then miss 984 00:44:43,240 --> 00:44:45,440 Larson's comment about it's doable is no 985 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,800 longer valid because but at that time 986 00:44:47,800 --> 00:44:50,240 and that's why we moved forward when 987 00:44:50,240 --> 00:44:52,040 what we're saying now is that this is no 988 00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,200 longer the case I understand but we 989 00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,079 moved forward because we were told it 990 00:44:57,079 --> 00:44:58,480 was 991 00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,720 doable we also were making a lot of 992 00:45:00,720 --> 00:45:02,520 assumptions about what the plan would 993 00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:04,760 include and and how how it would be 994 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,720 execut if what it looks like financially 995 00:45:06,720 --> 00:45:08,280 and what it looks like to create 996 00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:09,319 understand all that I understand the 997 00:45:09,319 --> 00:45:11,720 reality versus Theory I'm clear right we 998 00:45:11,720 --> 00:45:14,079 made a decision based on Theory okay but 999 00:45:14,079 --> 00:45:16,200 we made the decision based upon the 1000 00:45:16,200 --> 00:45:17,839 advice and the information that was 1001 00:45:17,839 --> 00:45:22,559 given to us so I asking that 1002 00:45:22,559 --> 00:45:25,480 we we're putting up a lot of barriers to 1003 00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:28,200 this thing and I I just feel that it's 1004 00:45:28,200 --> 00:45:31,839 barriers and a a lack of desire to see 1005 00:45:31,839 --> 00:45:34,559 it move forward that's causing all of 1006 00:45:34,559 --> 00:45:38,800 this anxiety if this is not the plan we 1007 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,000 they only wanted certain things then we 1008 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,359 find the plan that would get to the the 1009 00:45:45,359 --> 00:45:48,319 retirement age that they were asking 1010 00:45:48,319 --> 00:45:50,800 that matches what we approved and agreed 1011 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,920 to instead of making it something bigger 1012 00:45:53,920 --> 00:45:56,680 than what we started out with so I'm 1013 00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,440 asking so if you're telling me that the 1014 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,880 ask in the plan that we had from Bolton 1015 00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:06,480 is the thing that saying we can't do 1016 00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:08,920 this we can't do that I don't believe 1017 00:46:08,920 --> 00:46:10,640 that there's anything on this Earth 1018 00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,800 that's totally impossible I I can't 1019 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,359 imagine that this has never been done 1020 00:46:16,359 --> 00:46:20,160 when we saw multiple municipalities that 1021 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,200 had retirement plans for the police 1022 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,760 officers that matched what they were 1023 00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,720 asking why did we deviate also asking 1024 00:46:27,720 --> 00:46:29,880 for public works as well if this was 1025 00:46:29,880 --> 00:46:32,079 just as simple as a police plan this 1026 00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:33,680 would be a completely different approach 1027 00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,640 but even Bolton Said Public Works is not 1028 00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:38,480 a thing including them is that what's 1029 00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:39,760 causing the 1030 00:46:39,760 --> 00:46:41,839 problem well no it's still overall it's 1031 00:46:41,839 --> 00:46:43,520 still going to be overall costs well I 1032 00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:45,359 mean I'm looking at this not just from 1033 00:46:45,359 --> 00:46:47,000 you know from this perspective but from 1034 00:46:47,000 --> 00:46:50,319 a financial responsibility and this is 1035 00:46:50,319 --> 00:46:52,559 you know much much more than than where 1036 00:46:52,559 --> 00:46:54,760 we think we're going to be and and I 1037 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:56,720 just want to make sure that we 1038 00:46:56,720 --> 00:46:58,000 understand understand before we put in 1039 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,200 time and effort that this is almost 1040 00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,359 double just administratively from the 1041 00:47:05,359 --> 00:47:07,720 ground and I don't think it is feasible 1042 00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:09,040 and I don't think it 1043 00:47:09,040 --> 00:47:11,720 is you know I mean we could we could 1044 00:47:11,720 --> 00:47:14,640 make a plan all day but I don't know 1045 00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:16,359 that that's in the best interest for 1046 00:47:16,359 --> 00:47:18,240 fiscal responsibility for the town I 1047 00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:20,599 think there's other solutions that I 1048 00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:22,839 mean and Karan and I have said this in 1049 00:47:22,839 --> 00:47:24,960 multiple meetings there are other there 1050 00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,359 are other options that are more fiscally 1051 00:47:26,359 --> 00:47:27,800 responsible to the town and more 1052 00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:29,920 sustainable to the town that will still 1053 00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:31,319 accomplish the same 1054 00:47:31,319 --> 00:47:33,520 thing that is not going to take all 1055 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,079 these steps and create something from 1056 00:47:35,079 --> 00:47:38,119 scratch we can use our existing options 1057 00:47:38,119 --> 00:47:40,630 to do 1058 00:47:40,640 --> 00:47:43,760 this and and we've the treasurer and I 1059 00:47:43,760 --> 00:47:44,760 have been saying that since the 1060 00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,240 beginning we can we can do the same 1061 00:47:47,240 --> 00:47:50,119 thing for less without the complications 1062 00:47:50,119 --> 00:47:52,359 of paying thousands tens of thousands of 1063 00:47:52,359 --> 00:47:55,119 dollars to another consultant to another 1064 00:47:55,119 --> 00:47:58,640 agency to for legal fees and for all 1065 00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:01,280 actuarials and trust funds and finance 1066 00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,640 commit you know all that we wouldn't 1067 00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:08,440 have those extra expenses and it's it's 1068 00:48:08,440 --> 00:48:10,319 educating and getting people better of 1069 00:48:10,319 --> 00:48:11,920 managing the funds and the money and 1070 00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,359 matching we can still do an employer 1071 00:48:14,359 --> 00:48:16,319 contribution maybe get the employee to 1072 00:48:16,319 --> 00:48:18,440 put some skin in the game and and get 1073 00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:20,839 them enough money that they can retire 1074 00:48:20,839 --> 00:48:24,400 at age 50 or 55 or wherever it wants to 1075 00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,000 be and I think part of the hangup here 1076 00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:30,440 is we're looking for a plan that has it 1077 00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:32,520 in writing that says you can leave at 55 1078 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:35,119 and I think if we do it the right way 1079 00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:36,839 with like the other plans that we have 1080 00:48:36,839 --> 00:48:38,680 that exist that we already are part of 1081 00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:41,440 through Mission Square then once you 1082 00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:44,480 have that Financial goal then go right 1083 00:48:44,480 --> 00:48:46,760 like we don't have it could be at 45 if 1084 00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,119 that's what they wanted to retire 1085 00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:55,280 at I just think there's it's just it's a lot of money to to to go down a 1086 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:58,000 path to to create something 1087 00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,040 that like to cman Winkler's Point other 1088 00:49:01,040 --> 00:49:02,440 organizations already have existing 1089 00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,240 plans that we could mirror better or 1090 00:49:06,240 --> 00:49:08,280 again include people we're including 1091 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:10,040 people that are not typical and Bolton 1092 00:49:10,040 --> 00:49:12,000 Said that too and a matter of fact in 1093 00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:14,119 Plan Three which is what the council 1094 00:49:14,119 --> 00:49:16,319 wanted Bolton very specifically said 1095 00:49:16,319 --> 00:49:17,839 that this was probably a decrease in 1096 00:49:17,839 --> 00:49:19,799 benefits to the public works team I 1097 00:49:19,799 --> 00:49:21,520 don't remember him saying it's actually 1098 00:49:21,520 --> 00:49:23,400 in it's actually in the report 1099 00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,079 underneath Plan Three it says in writing 1100 00:49:26,079 --> 00:49:28,839 this is probably decrease in 1101 00:49:28,839 --> 00:49:30,640 benefits and that's the one that the 1102 00:49:30,640 --> 00:49:34,990 council picked 1103 00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:39,200 anyway any other comment yes absolutely 1104 00:49:39,200 --> 00:49:43,240 um thank you for 1105 00:49:43,240 --> 00:49:47,799 your um contextual analysis from what I 1106 00:49:47,799 --> 00:49:54,079 hear you are saying today that you and I 1107 00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:56,400 don't think Council found Bolton to do 1108 00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,240 the analysis right you guys presented 1109 00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:06,319 Bolton to give us the analysis right who found 1110 00:50:06,319 --> 00:50:09,640 Bolton how did Bolton end up Captain 1111 00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:12,440 Norris what's that Captain 1112 00:50:12,440 --> 00:50:15,079 norrison all right so 1113 00:50:15,079 --> 00:50:17,440 Bolton they have no idea what they're 1114 00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:22,960 talking about essentially is what I'm no that's not what I'm saying Bolton gave us what we asked 1115 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,359 for which was very high level concepts 1116 00:50:25,359 --> 00:50:26,880 of things that we might be able to do in 1117 00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:29,040 some world but you're you're telling us 1118 00:50:29,040 --> 00:50:33,599 today that that you can come up with a 1119 00:50:33,599 --> 00:50:36,280 plan that gives us everything we're 1120 00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,280 looking for and more at a fraction of a 1121 00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:42,319 cost that isn't going to require any 1122 00:50:42,319 --> 00:50:45,079 thirdparty vendors it's not going to 1123 00:50:45,079 --> 00:50:48,720 require any legal oversight it's not 1124 00:50:48,720 --> 00:50:51,480 going to require you know maintenance 1125 00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,400 cost to anything that we're looking at 1126 00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,079 from amret which we got today and from 1127 00:50:56,079 --> 00:50:57,680 USI 1128 00:50:57,680 --> 00:50:59,920 um is that that's what you're telling us 1129 00:50:59,920 --> 00:51:02,079 that you've got something in mind that's 1130 00:51:02,079 --> 00:51:03,160 going to 1131 00:51:03,160 --> 00:51:06,599 eliminate any need for increase of taxes 1132 00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:08,359 to provide benefits for the police 1133 00:51:08,359 --> 00:51:11,160 department as well as Public Works yes 1134 00:51:11,160 --> 00:51:13,599 and I believe Treasurer tried to present 1135 00:51:13,599 --> 00:51:15,160 that as part of the budget process this 1136 00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:17,960 year okay and that's of 1137 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,400 equal detail and insight as what what 1138 00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:23,640 Bolton gave us is that fair I just want 1139 00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,640 to make sure that we we understand 1140 00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:28,720 because you're trying to tell us you've 1141 00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:30,480 got it all figured out we're not paying 1142 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,079 attention what as to the needs of our 1143 00:51:33,079 --> 00:51:34,640 Police Department what we're trying to 1144 00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:36,799 tell you is there's other options but it 1145 00:51:36,799 --> 00:51:40,359 requires the employees to have some 1146 00:51:40,359 --> 00:51:43,400 fiscal responsibility meaning see a 1147 00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:45,319 financial advisor every year to make 1148 00:51:45,319 --> 00:51:47,280 sure they're on track by doing a 1149 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,200 contribution or a matching 1150 00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:51,680 contribution um I'll just throw out 1151 00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:53,480 numbers say the town says okay we're 1152 00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:55,799 going to do 5% matching the employee 1153 00:51:55,799 --> 00:51:59,319 does 5% that would be 10% going into a 1154 00:51:59,319 --> 00:52:01,920 um contribution plan that the employee 1155 00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,160 would build up over 25 years and if you 1156 00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:07,520 look at rate of returns and how much 1157 00:52:07,520 --> 00:52:09,160 risk the employee wants to take but they 1158 00:52:09,160 --> 00:52:11,040 have to take some responsibility and 1159 00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:14,319 monitor this so it's the town will be 1160 00:52:14,319 --> 00:52:16,000 and then they also have more varieties 1161 00:52:16,000 --> 00:52:18,119 on choices they can use the funds how 1162 00:52:18,119 --> 00:52:19,599 they want when they want if they want to 1163 00:52:19,599 --> 00:52:21,079 work longer if they want to take 1164 00:52:21,079 --> 00:52:23,880 everything it gives them more options 1165 00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,240 instead of having a defined plan 1166 00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:29,799 they'd have a contribution plan aren't 1167 00:52:29,799 --> 00:52:31,160 you 1168 00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:36,119 assuming in making that analysis that is better for them than what the 1169 00:52:36,119 --> 00:52:39,400 employee actually wants so for example 1170 00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:41,240 when we look at other police departments 1171 00:52:41,240 --> 00:52:44,040 throughout the state and locally that's 1172 00:52:44,040 --> 00:52:47,160 not a comparable plan I'm not assuming 1173 00:52:47,160 --> 00:52:49,359 anything but they already have a pension 1174 00:52:49,359 --> 00:52:51,119 plan what it would do is give them 1175 00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:53,680 another Avenue another another bucket to 1176 00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:56,559 choose from instead of um saying well 1177 00:52:56,559 --> 00:52:58,079 this is what you get this is all you get 1178 00:52:58,079 --> 00:52:59,680 because this is what the plan is you 1179 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:01,440 have no say in how you're going to 1180 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,520 manage it how much it's going to make 1181 00:53:03,520 --> 00:53:07,000 you have no say in it and it also gives 1182 00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:09,880 the talent say okay we know exactly each 1183 00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:12,240 year what it's going to cost us to 1184 00:53:12,240 --> 00:53:14,559 provide this benefit to the employee but 1185 00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:17,680 again it's it's saying well the employee 1186 00:53:17,680 --> 00:53:20,760 needs to take some fiscal responsibility 1187 00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:23,559 and the town will help them with 1188 00:53:23,559 --> 00:53:28,319 that okay um 1189 00:53:28,319 --> 00:53:31,359 councilwoman Bryant Ward asked for what 1190 00:53:31,359 --> 00:53:34,640 the ask was of these companies can you 1191 00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,079 remind me and I know we talked about 1192 00:53:36,079 --> 00:53:39,319 this the other time how why the net was 1193 00:53:39,319 --> 00:53:41,240 cast for the vendors to participate and 1194 00:53:41,240 --> 00:53:43,520 trying to create this bolt-on plan that 1195 00:53:43,520 --> 00:53:46,799 they said was feasible it's nobody we 1196 00:53:46,799 --> 00:53:49,720 didn't ask them to create a unicorn we 1197 00:53:49,720 --> 00:53:51,160 asked them to give us something that we 1198 00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,079 could use but we've got we've got two 1199 00:53:54,079 --> 00:53:56,640 you did what we asked you to do and we 1200 00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,040 we're scheduling them to talk to us 1201 00:53:58,040 --> 00:54:00,720 about it how are these the only two that 1202 00:54:00,720 --> 00:54:03,359 responded out of 10 are these two that 1203 00:54:03,359 --> 00:54:05,960 responded out of two no there's three 1204 00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:09,240 other vendors that uh chose not to 1205 00:54:09,240 --> 00:54:12,520 engage with us okay when I gave them 1206 00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:14,280 what our ask was and I told them and I 1207 00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:15,960 showed them the 12 bullet points that we 1208 00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,000 wanted to make a plan out of um they 1209 00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,240 either um stopped communicating or they 1210 00:54:21,240 --> 00:54:23,799 declined to um 1211 00:54:23,799 --> 00:54:25,720 participate and so these are the only 1212 00:54:25,720 --> 00:54:27,240 two that are still 1213 00:54:27,240 --> 00:54:29,520 left that I have asked that are willing 1214 00:54:29,520 --> 00:54:32,040 to engage and to try how does this 1215 00:54:32,040 --> 00:54:34,480 request go out that we send it writing 1216 00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:37,960 do we make phone calls um so a lot of it 1217 00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:41,280 was so I started by reaching out to 1218 00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:42,880 Bolton and asked them for who they 1219 00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:44,839 worked with I reached out to our Brokers 1220 00:54:44,839 --> 00:54:46,599 and asked who their people work with I 1221 00:54:46,599 --> 00:54:48,160 reached out to Mission square and asked 1222 00:54:48,160 --> 00:54:50,079 who the who they have relationships with 1223 00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:52,319 and each one provided me multiple 1224 00:54:52,319 --> 00:54:55,000 sources so Mission Square provided me 1225 00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:58,640 three options andf P had provided me two 1226 00:54:58,640 --> 00:55:02,000 options um and then uh Bolton had 1227 00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:03,720 reached out to some contacts and I never 1228 00:55:03,720 --> 00:55:07,400 heard back from them so um so these are 1229 00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:08,920 from existing sources that have 1230 00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,160 relationships with people who do it who 1231 00:55:11,160 --> 00:55:13,640 have given me those points of contacts 1232 00:55:13,640 --> 00:55:15,200 okay and then from there you get the 1233 00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:17,000 points of contact and 1234 00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:19,319 then and then I reached out to to the 1235 00:55:19,319 --> 00:55:21,760 points of contacts and I said hey here's 1236 00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:23,720 what we're looking to do here's where 1237 00:55:23,720 --> 00:55:26,559 we're starting from are you willing to 1238 00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:29,599 help us um create this plan do we do 1239 00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:30,760 that in 1240 00:55:30,760 --> 00:55:33,240 writing emails I mean most of it was 1241 00:55:33,240 --> 00:55:36,240 email communication um and then um once 1242 00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:39,359 I made the initial contact then um a lot 1243 00:55:39,359 --> 00:55:43,230 of the discussion happened via Zoom 1244 00:55:43,240 --> 00:55:46,839 calls can I see those emails to the 1245 00:55:46,839 --> 00:55:51,119 vendors set can we see those are you 1246 00:55:51,119 --> 00:55:53,640 okay with that that's really going 1247 00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:55,720 that's operations that's going beyond 1248 00:55:55,720 --> 00:55:57,960 the scope of what the council is to do 1249 00:55:57,960 --> 00:56:00,799 is to start going into communication on 1250 00:56:00,799 --> 00:56:03,000 that and and to you know personally I 1251 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:04,000 feel like that's a questioning my 1252 00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,160 Integrity of being able to ask for the 1253 00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,039 right thing if if the council doubts 1254 00:56:08,039 --> 00:56:10,799 that i' I've gone out and seek five and 1255 00:56:10,799 --> 00:56:13,720 talked to multiple sources I believe 1256 00:56:13,720 --> 00:56:15,880 that you did okay then why do we need I 1257 00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:17,359 mean I don't understand what my emails 1258 00:56:17,359 --> 00:56:20,920 are going to help I just want to make 1259 00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,480 sure that we're on track what happens 1260 00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,960 appar what appears to happen with this 1261 00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:29,480 project and it may be the nature of the 1262 00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:33,720 project itself is that one step leads to 1263 00:56:33,720 --> 00:56:36,079 three studies which has been happening 1264 00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:38,559 for the last I don't know six eight 1265 00:56:38,559 --> 00:56:43,640 years um it seems strange to me and it 1266 00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:47,520 that we paid Bolton and maybe this is 1267 00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:48,839 maybe this 1268 00:56:48,839 --> 00:56:53,039 is who who they are I guess is what 1269 00:56:53,039 --> 00:56:54,440 we're we're hearing that we paid them 1270 00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:56,559 all that money and they're not willing 1271 00:56:56,559 --> 00:56:58,640 to communicate with us back as to what 1272 00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,039 they've recommended so I'm trying to 1273 00:57:01,039 --> 00:57:02,440 figure 1274 00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,079 out but they they made a re that's all 1275 00:57:05,079 --> 00:57:06,119 we asked them to do is make 1276 00:57:06,119 --> 00:57:08,079 recommendations and then they did that 1277 00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:10,119 so there's nothing more for Bolton to do 1278 00:57:10,119 --> 00:57:11,720 they were never building a they were 1279 00:57:11,720 --> 00:57:14,000 never buil having them build a plan was 1280 00:57:14,000 --> 00:57:15,799 never part of the conversation 1281 00:57:15,799 --> 00:57:19,319 understood but that's the basis for what 1282 00:57:19,319 --> 00:57:21,880 we're trying to build and we're saying 1283 00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:25,400 that that Foundation is not appropriate 1284 00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:27,480 I have given all these vendors Bolton's 1285 00:57:27,480 --> 00:57:29,599 plan right so they have seen exactly 1286 00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:34,599 what Bolton gave us right so okay so 1287 00:57:34,599 --> 00:57:37,559 typically if you've got one piece of 1288 00:57:37,559 --> 00:57:39,760 information you give it to a separate 1289 00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,680 expert and they say nah that doesn't 1290 00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:45,839 work I've seen it where you go back to 1291 00:57:45,839 --> 00:57:48,400 that first source of information and say 1292 00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:50,680 hey they say this is a problem do you 1293 00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:52,319 want to comment on that sounds like you 1294 00:57:52,319 --> 00:57:54,680 tried to do that but they did not 1295 00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:56,720 respond back 1296 00:57:56,720 --> 00:57:58,720 um I talked to Tom last week with an 1297 00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,799 email and his response was you know I 1298 00:58:01,799 --> 00:58:03,520 said hey just for some clarity of what 1299 00:58:03,520 --> 00:58:06,520 you did and and he said what they gave 1300 00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:09,160 us was some highlevel concepts for 1301 00:58:09,160 --> 00:58:12,160 somebody else to build a plan off of um 1302 00:58:12,160 --> 00:58:14,680 you know they're I gave them you know I 1303 00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:19,839 gave the amarant USI the information and like Bolton said they they did a lot 1304 00:58:19,839 --> 00:58:21,039 of their work based on a lot of 1305 00:58:21,039 --> 00:58:23,280 assumptions and some rough Actuarial 1306 00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:25,880 data that is not the same Actuarial data 1307 00:58:25,880 --> 00:58:27,480 that we will need to use once the plan 1308 00:58:27,480 --> 00:58:30,559 is created because once we have a clear 1309 00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:32,880 definition of of what the scope of that 1310 00:58:32,880 --> 00:58:36,000 is going to be then another Actuarial 1311 00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,079 will give us actual numbers of what the 1312 00:58:38,079 --> 00:58:41,680 plan will be based off of when we look 1313 00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,200 at these 1314 00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:44,960 two 1315 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:48,839 um statement works that you've given us 1316 00:58:48,839 --> 00:58:52,119 would you say they're Apples to Apples 1317 00:58:52,119 --> 00:58:53,680 no 1318 00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:56,280 um each one has a different approach you 1319 00:58:56,280 --> 00:59:00,720 I is more of uh an all-in-one um 1320 00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,039 organization so it'll be a one point of 1321 00:59:03,039 --> 00:59:05,280 contact streamline they will manage all 1322 00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:08,200 the moving parts for us whereas amaret 1323 00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:12,119 is more of a u peac mail consultant 1324 00:59:12,119 --> 00:59:14,319 where they will have they will reach out 1325 00:59:14,319 --> 00:59:17,200 and have separate pieces um a separate 1326 00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,440 trust a separate legal team a separate 1327 00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,359 everything and communicate individually 1328 00:59:21,359 --> 00:59:24,640 with each of those rather than under one 1329 00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:26,640 umbrella because the 1330 00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,240 I mean they're vastly different as to 1331 00:59:28,240 --> 00:59:32,079 the maintenance and annual um but the 1332 00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:34,480 request was the same they had all the 1333 00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,760 same information and this is what they 1334 00:59:36,760 --> 00:59:38,799 came back as their plan of this is how 1335 00:59:38,799 --> 00:59:41,799 we would develop it based on on their 1336 00:59:41,799 --> 00:59:44,960 area of expertises but to be clear and I 1337 00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,520 just want to make sure I understand this 1338 00:59:47,520 --> 00:59:51,359 is not for a this is not for the plan 1339 00:59:51,359 --> 00:59:54,599 yet this is to develop a 1340 00:59:54,599 --> 00:59:58,359 plan and this is the um expected cost to 1341 00:59:58,359 --> 00:59:59,839 not only create the plan but then to 1342 00:59:59,839 --> 01:00:04,430 maintain it once it is 1343 01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:07,480 created I guess my big 1344 01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:11,630 concern 1345 01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:16,960 is as you've stated it it's Unique to us 1346 01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:17,839 as a 1347 01:00:17,839 --> 01:00:21,160 town it's Unique potentially 1348 01:00:21,160 --> 01:00:23,760 to um the 1349 01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,200 vendors and again going back say 1350 01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:28,599 something that we had talked about on 1351 01:00:28,599 --> 01:00:30,960 developers and traffic 1352 01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:34,680 studies um you know is there an 1353 01:00:34,680 --> 01:00:36,000 independent 1354 01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:38,200 Source aside 1355 01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,319 from um perhaps aside from the 1356 01:00:41,319 --> 01:00:44,880 Departments and I say that in plural who 1357 01:00:44,880 --> 01:00:49,079 can analyze these issues right I 1358 01:00:49,079 --> 01:00:53,520 mean I mean and I don't know I don't 1359 01:00:53,520 --> 01:00:57,119 know I'm concerned about it but 1360 01:00:57,119 --> 01:01:01,520 have either of these been 1361 01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:04,440 given 1362 01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:07,640 uh the Miss Kennedy and Miss Larsson 1363 01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:10,119 plan no because the council asked us to 1364 01:01:10,119 --> 01:01:12,079 pursue Plan Three and so that's what I 1365 01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:17,400 requested okay those are all questions I have 1366 01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:20,200 thank you right any other questions just 1367 01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:23,480 a quick question thank you uh so uh is 1368 01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:25,960 there any participation by police 1369 01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:27,839 department members or Public Works in 1370 01:01:27,839 --> 01:01:29,839 any conversations you have so you 1371 01:01:29,839 --> 01:01:31,839 understand their needs or their feelings 1372 01:01:31,839 --> 01:01:34,280 we're not at that what this is wouldn't 1373 01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:36,280 be part of that that conversation this 1374 01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:41,240 is just developing a a a plan like 1375 01:01:41,240 --> 01:01:43,559 this the the members of Public Works and 1376 01:01:43,559 --> 01:01:45,640 police are 1377 01:01:45,640 --> 01:01:49,440 not are not trained in the same way that 1378 01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,680 HR and finance are in these areas so I 1379 01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,319 don't we're not to what are their needs 1380 01:01:55,319 --> 01:01:57,599 because the plan that we picked is clear 1381 01:01:57,599 --> 01:01:59,480 about age 1382 01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,880 requirements uh uh contribution 1383 01:02:02,880 --> 01:02:04,880 requirements and those this the stuff 1384 01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,240 that we have to to wrinkle out is not a 1385 01:02:07,240 --> 01:02:09,079 decision from the Departments it's a 1386 01:02:09,079 --> 01:02:11,599 decision uh from the operational side 1387 01:02:11,599 --> 01:02:12,920 how much are we going to contribute when 1388 01:02:12,920 --> 01:02:14,440 are we going to contribute to it are the 1389 01:02:14,440 --> 01:02:15,960 employees going to have skin in the game 1390 01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:18,079 are we grandfathering anybody that's 1391 01:02:18,079 --> 01:02:20,960 nothing that involves the 1392 01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,400 Departments I guess that just I'm 1393 01:02:23,400 --> 01:02:26,039 disappointed by that because I think 1394 01:02:26,039 --> 01:02:28,000 okay you're you're trying to build the 1395 01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,480 plan but it it just seems to me that it 1396 01:02:30,480 --> 01:02:32,559 would be great to have an ongoing 1397 01:02:32,559 --> 01:02:39,559 dialogue with potential participants in any plan whatever it is so I'm really 1398 01:02:39,559 --> 01:02:43,960 disappointed that there's no Outreach uh 1399 01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:47,000 participation there just just a dialogue 1400 01:02:47,000 --> 01:02:49,720 to talk and listen so and I would just 1401 01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:51,760 add that as as another 1402 01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,960 concern but again again councilman we're 1403 01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:58,440 not in any state stage where where those 1404 01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,119 are needed yet if we get further down 1405 01:03:01,119 --> 01:03:02,640 the road then maybe that would make 1406 01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:04,760 sense but right now well we're not there 1407 01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:08,240 I respectfully disagree because 1408 01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:11,760 again existing and potential future 1409 01:03:11,760 --> 01:03:13,400 employees are going to be engage are 1410 01:03:13,400 --> 01:03:16,240 going to be part of the process and 1411 01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:17,799 they're going to be from my view again 1412 01:03:17,799 --> 01:03:19,039 unless I'm getting it wrong and 1413 01:03:19,039 --> 01:03:20,960 apparently I am they're going to be 1414 01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:22,799 blindsided and they're going to have no 1415 01:03:22,799 --> 01:03:27,200 knowledge no participation no 1416 01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:29,359 they're going to be like blind almost so 1417 01:03:29,359 --> 01:03:31,880 all I'm I agree with you this is maybe 1418 01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:34,359 not the time but I would think as good 1419 01:03:34,359 --> 01:03:37,319 best practices you would have a dialogue 1420 01:03:37,319 --> 01:03:39,680 with the staff that's right but we don't 1421 01:03:39,680 --> 01:03:41,279 do that for we don't do that for any 1422 01:03:41,279 --> 01:03:42,720 other benefit we don't do that for 1423 01:03:42,720 --> 01:03:44,319 health insurance decisions we don't do 1424 01:03:44,319 --> 01:03:46,520 that for I'm not going to argue with you 1425 01:03:46,520 --> 01:03:48,000 I this different I'm just trying to 1426 01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:50,240 express my disappointment and and and my 1427 01:03:50,240 --> 01:03:53,680 ask is that there be a dialogue simple 1428 01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:58,599 very simple thank you okay councilman 1429 01:03:58,599 --> 01:04:02,279 Jenkins way before the plan that was 1430 01:04:02,279 --> 01:04:04,079 decided to move 1431 01:04:04,079 --> 01:04:06,480 forward we had the conversations with 1432 01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:08,119 the police department and what they were 1433 01:04:08,119 --> 01:04:09,720 looking for they were looking for the 1434 01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:11,359 age they were looking 1435 01:04:11,359 --> 01:04:16,640 for not having to work 30 years extra so 1436 01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:19,960 did have those conversations prior to we 1437 01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,920 haven't had any sense but we did have 1438 01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,000 those conversations I didn't say we 1439 01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:28,039 didn't the say why can't you continue 1440 01:04:28,039 --> 01:04:31,839 well maybe once we get like uh director 1441 01:04:31,839 --> 01:04:34,039 Kennedy said at this point it's more 1442 01:04:34,039 --> 01:04:37,079 operational get the plan going first and 1443 01:04:37,079 --> 01:04:39,559 then 1444 01:04:39,559 --> 01:04:44,910 but well I I still like express my 1445 01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:47,559 disappoint all right well thank you well 1446 01:04:47,559 --> 01:04:50,079 we look forward to um seeing what 1447 01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:53,079 happens in January thank you for a very 1448 01:04:53,079 --> 01:04:56,279 robust conversation appreciate that 1449 01:04:56,279 --> 01:04:58,960 moving on to our next part is a reports 1450 01:04:58,960 --> 01:05:02,480 from the mayor and Town Council 1451 01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:03,520 councilman 1452 01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,720 Winkler um historic preservation 1453 01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:10,880 committee um met with a local architect 1454 01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:13,440 regarding some of the updates to uh the 1455 01:05:13,440 --> 01:05:17,000 train station and a feasibility study so 1456 01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:20,160 once we um about kind of finishing off 1457 01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:23,279 that as a as a potential Museum um to 1458 01:05:23,279 --> 01:05:25,960 how some of the historic uh artifact for 1459 01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:29,319 the town um and once we get that 1460 01:05:29,319 --> 01:05:32,920 information back we'll have that to uh 1461 01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:34,400 hopefully in January or February to 1462 01:05:34,400 --> 01:05:36,440 present to council for moving forward 1463 01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:39,000 with it great thank you very much 1464 01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:40,000 councilman 1465 01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,640 challinger no nothing thank you 1466 01:05:42,640 --> 01:05:45,200 councilwoman ryant Ward so I'm I 1467 01:05:45,200 --> 01:05:46,960 reported on the Planning Commission last 1468 01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:48,960 week but I wanted to report that the 1469 01:05:48,960 --> 01:05:52,559 chief and I did me to talk about the DCC 1470 01:05:52,559 --> 01:05:54,960 and I completed all of the past due 1471 01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:56,640 annual reports reports that need to be 1472 01:05:56,640 --> 01:05:59,240 submitted I'm going to bring them up for 1473 01:05:59,240 --> 01:06:02,480 um to talk with um assistant Town 1474 01:06:02,480 --> 01:06:05,160 manager Miner um so that we can get 1475 01:06:05,160 --> 01:06:07,480 those filed and then we did discuss 1476 01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:10,279 going forward you know a new board that 1477 01:06:10,279 --> 01:06:12,440 would represent the entire community and 1478 01:06:12,440 --> 01:06:15,599 then looking at having establishing um 1479 01:06:15,599 --> 01:06:17,240 board meetings because we would need to 1480 01:06:17,240 --> 01:06:19,160 do that once we're back in good 1481 01:06:19,160 --> 01:06:21,400 standings based upon the annual filings 1482 01:06:21,400 --> 01:06:25,599 then we'll look to revise the bylaws and 1483 01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:28,520 in the Articles of Incorporation and um 1484 01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:31,559 identify a new resident agent and so 1485 01:06:31,559 --> 01:06:33,960 that we get things moving again well 1486 01:06:33,960 --> 01:06:35,119 thank you and thank you for all your 1487 01:06:35,119 --> 01:06:38,200 hard work that's great councilman 1488 01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:40,319 Jenkins uh thank you and councilman 1489 01:06:40,319 --> 01:06:42,240 Brian W thank you for that effort that's 1490 01:06:42,240 --> 01:06:44,440 really good I appreciate that effort I 1491 01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:46,400 know it takes a lot of work to do that 1492 01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:49,680 um I was not able to attend Wednesday's 1493 01:06:49,680 --> 01:06:52,559 last Wednesday's um Tri County council's 1494 01:06:52,559 --> 01:06:54,200 Bicycle pedestrian infrastructure 1495 01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:56,480 committee meeting unfor I was in transit 1496 01:06:56,480 --> 01:06:59,319 so I could not attend but I will provide 1497 01:06:59,319 --> 01:07:02,039 a uh report out from that meeting at our 1498 01:07:02,039 --> 01:07:04,920 next meeting because this there will as 1499 01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:06,480 we all know there will be a significant 1500 01:07:06,480 --> 01:07:09,680 impact on pedestrian safety projects all 1501 01:07:09,680 --> 01:07:10,960 over the state because of the 1502 01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,440 significant uh budget cuts to the 1503 01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:15,079 Maryland Department of transportation's 1504 01:07:15,079 --> 01:07:17,799 budget so I'll give a report in January 1505 01:07:17,799 --> 01:07:21,440 thank you thank you and I had the great 1506 01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,079 pleasure and honor of attending 1507 01:07:23,079 --> 01:07:25,319 Washington squares holiday event over 1508 01:07:25,319 --> 01:07:28,160 the weekend which boy those people can 1509 01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:30,960 cook and uh it was really nice and they 1510 01:07:30,960 --> 01:07:35,039 are just always so grateful for the town 1511 01:07:35,039 --> 01:07:38,720 um when they apply for Grants to that 1512 01:07:38,720 --> 01:07:40,799 they are recipients of those at least 1513 01:07:40,799 --> 01:07:42,240 they have been for the last couple years 1514 01:07:42,240 --> 01:07:45,200 so they wanted me to thank you all and 1515 01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:48,000 so I just have um this is our last 1516 01:07:48,000 --> 01:07:52,400 meeting of 2024 so as we conclude this I 1517 01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:55,640 wanted to take a moment to acknowledge 1518 01:07:55,640 --> 01:07:58,920 the hard work and dedication of our town 1519 01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:02,000 staff you all have been absolutely 1520 01:08:02,000 --> 01:08:04,799 amazing this year we weathered some 1521 01:08:04,799 --> 01:08:07,720 storms didn't we we said goodbye to our 1522 01:08:07,720 --> 01:08:10,039 dear friend and colleague Jeff Garner we 1523 01:08:10,039 --> 01:08:13,279 also saw several key team members move 1524 01:08:13,279 --> 01:08:16,719 on to advance their careers a bitter 1525 01:08:16,719 --> 01:08:19,040 bittersweet Part of growth and success 1526 01:08:19,040 --> 01:08:21,799 and we continue to address important 1527 01:08:21,799 --> 01:08:23,920 issues such as water allocation 1528 01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,520 development within our Incorporated Town 1529 01:08:26,520 --> 01:08:30,199 limits in infrastructure that tends to 1530 01:08:30,199 --> 01:08:34,640 fail at the most inopportune times and 1531 01:08:34,640 --> 01:08:36,960 Personnel changes but together we made 1532 01:08:36,960 --> 01:08:38,960 it through this year and you know what 1533 01:08:38,960 --> 01:08:41,000 maybe next year's going to be a little 1534 01:08:41,000 --> 01:08:44,520 less hectic so I would also like to 1535 01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,520 recognize Carolyn Johnson who is 1536 01:08:47,520 --> 01:08:51,920 retiring after almost 24 years of 1537 01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:55,120 dedicated service to the town of L pla 1538 01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,880 her retirement is well well deserved and 1539 01:08:57,880 --> 01:09:01,000 we wish her nothing but the best in her 1540 01:09:01,000 --> 01:09:03,560 next chapter of her life um she will 1541 01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:07,759 leave a mark here on Town um she was 1542 01:09:07,759 --> 01:09:10,080 quite uh she is quite the presence here 1543 01:09:10,080 --> 01:09:12,520 and she will be greatly missed looking 1544 01:09:12,520 --> 01:09:16,000 ahead to 2025 holds exciting 1545 01:09:16,000 --> 01:09:17,880 opportunities for our town we will 1546 01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:19,679 continue collaborating with the county 1547 01:09:19,679 --> 01:09:21,719 on the library and water 1548 01:09:21,719 --> 01:09:24,319 allocations make strides towards 1549 01:09:24,319 --> 01:09:27,600 creating a more walk downtown expand the 1550 01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:30,400 bike trail that is going down um on 1551 01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:32,920 Radio Station Road and work to make 1552 01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:35,120 bring a greater presence of the Arts 1553 01:09:35,120 --> 01:09:37,640 into the home into our hometown which 1554 01:09:37,640 --> 01:09:40,000 should we should see something visible 1555 01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:43,640 in the first quarter so I personally 1556 01:09:43,640 --> 01:09:46,640 want to wish you all and your families 1557 01:09:46,640 --> 01:09:50,279 the very best may you enjoy a joyous 1558 01:09:50,279 --> 01:09:53,120 holiday season and a prosperous healthy 1559 01:09:53,120 --> 01:09:56,600 new year thank you and 1560 01:09:56,600 --> 01:09:59,760 um again thank you for uh all that you 1561 01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:02,760 do for the town and with that I call 1562 01:10:02,760 --> 01:10:05,000 this meeting adjourned at 1563 01:10:05,000 --> 01:10:09,440 7:09 have a good night