1 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:35,080 You know, the summer residents are still far out, but the trans 2 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:58,240 Jim, I'll see you. Evening. 3 00:08:55,279 --> 00:09:03,760 Hi, sweetie. What happened to you? 4 00:09:00,480 --> 00:09:11,640 Um, I heard that. Oh, yeah. They told him to up the toes. 5 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:11,640 Not an easy recovery. 6 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,600 Well, you had that short 7 00:09:27,279 --> 00:09:32,440 a bunch of rods. Well, I think 8 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:47,399 It's pretty neat. Bunch of rides for 9 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,640 appreciate 10 00:10:05,279 --> 00:10:09,320 Not the best. 11 00:10:11,350 --> 00:10:17,959 [Music] I used to know everybody on the island 12 00:10:20,399 --> 00:10:23,399 more. 13 00:11:03,200 --> 00:11:07,959 design and sheet focus. Okay. 14 00:11:13,780 --> 00:11:16,870 [Music] 15 00:11:24,720 --> 00:11:29,320 sign and she folks. Okay. 16 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:43,880 Yeah. or Jean's not here to set us free straight this All right. 17 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,639 There's something 18 00:12:41,279 --> 00:12:48,600 like a designer drink. Yes. Yes, I've been told that. 19 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,079 We 20 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,440 jump back. 21 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,040 Yes. 22 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:24,680 Hey Paulie. 23 00:14:31,839 --> 00:14:37,880 Okay, I've got 4:30. Max, are we good go technically? 24 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:46,639 Thanks for coming. Town of Le Point Regular Planning and 25 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:51,920 Zoning Town Plan Commission. 4:30 26 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:55,600 July 2nd, 2025. Call to order. Roll call. 27 00:14:54,720 --> 00:15:00,560 David Alen, Charles Bremer, Tim Peters, 28 00:14:58,639 --> 00:15:05,079 Paul Wilharm. Public comment. Anybody? 29 00:15:06,399 --> 00:15:09,519 Steve? Yes. 30 00:15:08,079 --> 00:15:16,240 Public comment. Yes. I would like to uh thank Max and 31 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:22,720 Rich for uh coming out to visit the studio and taking a look at what I have 32 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:28,440 going on so that uh they can have firsthand knowledge of what I'm doing. 33 00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:39,680 Thank you, Steve. Approval of previous minutes TPC special 34 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:44,160 meeting 611 2025. Uh anybody see anything Jim is is the time on that 35 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:51,199 right? Wasn't that meeting after a public hearing? So I don't 36 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:56,399 instead of being 4:33 is that proper time we had our public hearing meeting 37 00:15:53,600 --> 00:16:03,839 first had the public meeting first at 5:00. So start at 4:33. I've got 6 611 38 00:16:01,519 --> 00:16:07,279 2025. I don't have a time. I was just saying on the craft minute it 39 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:14,120 says 4:30. Oh, I I think we we uh Let's see here. 40 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:14,120 Unless I missed something. 41 00:16:17,120 --> 00:16:24,399 I think we This was the 42 00:16:21,759 --> 00:16:27,880 Yeah, that should be 5:30. But we're starting at 5:30. 43 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:37,759 Okay. Same thing with the at the end. So now 44 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:40,759 there's So there's one mistake. Good catch. 45 00:16:49,040 --> 00:16:55,600 But it strange to me at the bottom that page it 46 00:16:53,839 --> 00:17:02,759 says another issue is whether any conditions imposed run with the land. I 47 00:16:58,639 --> 00:17:02,759 just put go with the land. 48 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:11,679 Run with the land is a is a legal term. Yeah. 49 00:17:09,439 --> 00:17:17,120 Right. Lawyers step on us again. 50 00:17:14,959 --> 00:17:21,280 It's to differentiate between people that are only 51 00:17:19,439 --> 00:17:28,520 the owner and when that person is not human then it's gone. 52 00:17:23,679 --> 00:17:28,520 That that was Charlie brought that up. 53 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:31,960 Thank you. 54 00:17:32,960 --> 00:17:37,600 Anything else? No. 55 00:17:35,919 --> 00:17:43,120 Have I got a motion to put these on file? 56 00:17:39,919 --> 00:17:47,520 I move to approve the TPC special meeting minutes of 611 2025 as 57 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:52,000 corrected. Second. 58 00:17:49,919 --> 00:17:55,400 Discussion. All in favor? I 59 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:55,400 I 60 00:17:55,919 --> 00:18:06,400 3D TPC public hearing 611 2022. I'd like to thank Max for this very detailed 61 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:11,480 minutes that were compiled. Yeah. 62 00:18:08,480 --> 00:18:11,480 Hey, 63 00:18:19,200 --> 00:18:24,280 I I don't see anything. Anybody else? 64 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:36,360 Anyone with a motion to place these on file? 65 00:18:38,799 --> 00:18:48,480 I'll move to place the TBC public hearing minutes of 611 2025 66 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:51,120 on file as amended. Second discussion. All in favor? 67 00:18:50,720 --> 00:18:56,000 I I 68 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:59,640 a zoning administrator's report written and verbal report. 69 00:19:05,679 --> 00:19:09,320 Administrator start 70 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:17,240 here on Wednesday, July 2. 71 00:19:17,520 --> 00:19:24,799 Then the other thing just talking about I was struck by the difference between 72 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:31,760 year to days last year versus year to date this year. I don't I didn't give 73 00:19:27,679 --> 00:19:38,799 the number you can see the town and the general building permits was 2761 last 74 00:19:36,160 --> 00:19:43,840 year was 12,000 dollar these are dollars. 75 00:19:41,919 --> 00:19:50,480 It's pretty shocking the difference in in the dollar value that 76 00:19:47,120 --> 00:19:56,200 permits alone. Um I mean there are a few other things. The 77 00:19:51,919 --> 00:19:56,200 lines below a different present 78 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:13,320 use permits map changes but the building permits really really dropped so far 79 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:13,320 this year. It's really startle. 80 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:19,360 That's all. That's all. Well, 81 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:24,360 very well could be the start of a economic slowdown. You never know. 82 00:20:24,799 --> 00:20:31,440 Did you get the rental permits in from that coming in? 83 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:36,640 No. I mean, so that you know, in the process of this change, um, the zoning 84 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:43,360 administrator used to be having that. That's why Ed had this that but uh it's 85 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:48,799 been moved over to Katie Abbott as treasurer and Katie I 86 00:20:47,039 --> 00:20:50,960 didn't catch her today before I could get the data for that 87 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:55,520 that might make so I think we will because you guys want 88 00:20:53,440 --> 00:21:01,200 to know that stuff we will incorporate that data we'll pull that in from Katie 89 00:20:58,320 --> 00:21:05,039 but I just didn't get it today I I had an exchange with Katie a couple weeks 90 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:10,240 ago about that she was going to scan them and put them in the PDF Y so they 91 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:14,720 can be distributed if anybody want. So um I'm not sure where she was and again 92 00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:19,080 I I didn't catch her today but yeah keen on seeing them. 93 00:21:16,080 --> 00:21:19,080 Okay, 94 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:28,280 moving on. Old business discuss meets LUP modification. 95 00:21:30,940 --> 00:21:39,600 [Music] Rich went out there today. 96 00:21:35,919 --> 00:21:43,520 I don't know how Rich has some you can verify some 97 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:49,760 information and things like that. Yeah. Yeah. So, so thanks to Bob and 98 00:21:46,480 --> 00:21:53,679 Nancy for um you know uh you know meeting with me today. I drove out and 99 00:21:51,679 --> 00:22:02,000 we spent quite a bit of time together and and we walked the site um and and 100 00:21:57,280 --> 00:22:08,480 and took some measurements. Um so, uh they've been very thoughtful and 101 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:16,880 detailed in in laying out um you know the the property lines um and the stakes 102 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:23,360 for the garage and for the house cabin um and and for the deck. um and with the 103 00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:30,080 variance um they meet or exceed all of their 104 00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:36,320 setbacks. Um so they they came in and met with Max and I yesterday um if 105 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:41,760 you'll recall back on 6 public hearing and there were no comments received 106 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:49,360 public hearing. Um there's no depicted wetlands in the immediate area. Um and 107 00:22:46,320 --> 00:22:55,760 uh I included in today's package um their application and the site map um as 108 00:22:53,440 --> 00:23:04,000 well as some statistics where we measured the the critical corners 109 00:22:59,200 --> 00:23:09,120 um and they all exceeded the the the variance in in setback. Um for example, 110 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:12,880 you know, the northwest corner of the garage to the westbound was planned at 111 00:23:11,360 --> 00:23:19,440 25. We measured it at 25 and a half. Um, you 112 00:23:17,120 --> 00:23:23,840 know, and and I've listed those on the on the last page, but like I said, they 113 00:23:21,919 --> 00:23:30,080 all exceed those setbacks were um, you know, I 114 00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:38,080 they've put a lot of thoughtful effort into citing those facilities and and 115 00:23:33,679 --> 00:23:42,960 staying within the the modified um, you know, modified setbacks. 116 00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:49,039 The only comment is they're asking for approval for the 117 00:23:45,760 --> 00:23:54,000 the dwelling the deck the garage but they're dropping they're not asking the 118 00:23:50,880 --> 00:24:00,559 TBC to approve the gazebo just so because of the issue we have set back 119 00:23:56,640 --> 00:24:04,280 from water so that is not what what they're asking for 120 00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:14,640 then you just need a signature and a date by the owner around here. 121 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,600 Yes. Yeah. So, but you got the fiat already 122 00:24:17,120 --> 00:24:22,640 paid. Yes, we've got the checks. Um, and like 123 00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:28,799 I said, I mean, the stakes are in the ground for the corners and we measured 124 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:34,000 all of them. Critical that, um, the way the lot is is situated is that they're 125 00:24:31,679 --> 00:24:41,120 building the house or proposing to build the house 25 ft from the west line. Now, 126 00:24:38,080 --> 00:24:46,080 the east line, if the house is um 25 feet wide, the east line is almost the 127 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:51,279 normal setback. It's it's 48 feet. I think the normal setback in there is 50. 128 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:56,000 So, um it's just on that that west side. But there's very good reason for you 129 00:24:53,200 --> 00:25:02,640 know why they've um you know selected the layout for for the cabin, for the 130 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:07,760 garage, and for the deck. I I honestly think they did as as best 131 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:10,720 as possible with the with the layout. Thanks, 132 00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:16,240 Rich. Motion to approve the land use permit 133 00:25:13,039 --> 00:25:19,960 for the M's property uh contingent upon it being signed. 134 00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:25,640 Discussion. All in favor? I I 135 00:25:30,799 --> 00:25:39,840 uh review and approve land use applications 1197 Big Bay Road, M. 136 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:48,440 Smith, 1480 Middle Road, M North, 613 Brian's Road, C. Douglas, 257 Spirit 137 00:25:44,159 --> 00:25:48,440 Lane, Dave Beller, 138 00:25:49,919 --> 00:25:56,240 the 613 Brian Road Douglas, that is already 139 00:25:54,960 --> 00:26:02,720 approved. You guys already approved that. That was I didn't know that that 140 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:08,480 had been approved. That's been approved. Maybe you want to speak to the the 141 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:14,799 situation. Yes. Yeah. So, uh, Max and I, um, took a 142 00:26:11,919 --> 00:26:21,520 field trip yesterday out to Kevin's, um, property as well, um, and, uh, um, 143 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:28,000 walked the area where he's going to be, um, proposing to build. Um, he has a a 144 00:26:25,360 --> 00:26:31,919 site plan. Nothing's marked yet. Um, the, you know, the application isn't 145 00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:36,720 complete. Um, it's not really ripe for discussion at this point. Um, but we did 146 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:43,679 get a a great view of where he's planning and we talked about setbacks. 147 00:26:39,039 --> 00:26:47,039 Um and uh um the next step is uh I' I've gone through the file and I'm going to 148 00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:51,840 be reaching out to him, if not tomorrow, early next week with a detailed list of 149 00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:58,000 here's what you need to to submit for us to to move forward on this. 150 00:26:54,960 --> 00:27:04,320 Well, really the only two that we need to approve here is is uh Bay Hill 151 00:27:01,360 --> 00:27:10,559 Cottage and uh Middle Road. So yeah, so the the middle 152 00:27:07,679 --> 00:27:18,480 road, let's let's start there. Um the address actually should be 1468, 153 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:23,039 not 1480. Um the same person owns both of those. Um 154 00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:29,679 uh this is another one in your package today. You'll find um so you know, I've 155 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:35,600 taken a more detailed approach to these TPC review packages. Um I'm open to 156 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:41,840 suggestions, thoughts. I'm trying to make um everyone's review a little bit 157 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:47,440 easier. Um you know, having a picture so you're seeing screenshots. I think when 158 00:27:44,159 --> 00:27:53,840 I describe something um I want it to you understanding it the same way that that 159 00:27:49,520 --> 00:28:03,200 it actually is. Um, so this is one we're um requesting to have a old barn uh 160 00:27:58,559 --> 00:28:06,960 building um constructed. Um and uh um the application's been filled out 161 00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:14,080 completely and accurately. It was signed. We have a check for that. Um the 162 00:28:09,520 --> 00:28:18,720 site is staked and measured. Um and as well as an Ashlin County permit. Um, it 163 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:26,559 does not need a sanitary permit because the the pole barn is not having any 164 00:28:21,440 --> 00:28:30,720 plumbing. Um, it is not a nonconforming lot. I could find no record of that. Um, 165 00:28:29,039 --> 00:28:40,880 and I you'll notice I skipped one on there and it was the wetland and and DNR 166 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:45,120 permit. And um, so if you page there's a page for it's actually in 167 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:51,520 color. You can actually see the the pole bar um highlighted it. So 168 00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:56,799 um that's where it's located. Um Max and I were both out there this morning. Um 169 00:28:54,640 --> 00:29:02,480 it's outside of the thousand foot criteria, you know, to the shoreline. Um 170 00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:06,399 and then you'll see a couple of pictures on the next page. One of them that that 171 00:29:04,320 --> 00:29:11,679 documents that I measured from the closest property corner to the 172 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:17,919 shoreline. It was 1,035 ft. So close but outside. Um but the the last exhibit 173 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:25,600 that's on here well on that page um is a depiction of the forested and upland 174 00:29:20,799 --> 00:29:32,720 wetlands. Um and this site is very close to the forested wetland site. Um, 175 00:29:29,919 --> 00:29:39,440 you know, I it's so hard to tell on on here just due to scale, but um 176 00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:44,640 I think coordination with the DNR is is is a good idea. Um, and then the very 177 00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:51,600 last page um as I measure it, you're going to see a lot of measuring from me. 178 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:58,640 um is I went into an aerial photo and where the existing road is and more or 179 00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:06,399 less where the site is for that pole barn and from the road to the wetlands 180 00:30:01,679 --> 00:30:11,440 is about 25 ft, you know, 25.74 ft. So that's one of those that I'm like 181 00:30:08,559 --> 00:30:18,000 it's it's pretty close. You know, I I can't judge myself 100% accuracy that um 182 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:20,799 it's missing the wetland. You didn't have any red flags on your 183 00:30:19,679 --> 00:30:25,840 site visit. No, no, there was a there was a marker 184 00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:31,120 there, but then I came back and I looked in Google Earth and then I also looked 185 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:36,159 at the Ashlin County website just to to see, you know, we've got the setbacks 186 00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:40,320 from uh Max kind of walked through and down out to the street and walked 187 00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:44,960 through 40 trees. Yeah. Whenever we had a question years ago, we'd always uh 188 00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:51,440 confer with John Spangberg who was a wetland expert or analyst with Wisconsin 189 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:55,279 DNR. I don't know who Phil, he's since retired. I think unfortunately he's 190 00:30:53,200 --> 00:31:00,960 passed away, but he was always pretty knowledgeable about wetland indicators. 191 00:30:57,600 --> 00:31:06,080 Yeah. So, I dealt with Well, I dealt with some of that in my my past life. 192 00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:09,760 And um to me it didn't jump out that that it was an issue, but the wetlands 193 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:15,039 are close. Um and I just want to be careful for the 194 00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:20,120 town that I'm not approving something that's hasn't been vetted. 195 00:31:20,799 --> 00:31:23,960 Thank you. 196 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:35,320 I'm comfortable with this. Do I have a motion? Make a motion to approve the 197 00:31:31,760 --> 00:31:35,320 land use permit 198 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:41,919 1468 middle road. 199 00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:45,519 Second. Discussion. All in favor? 200 00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:50,240 I I 201 00:31:48,080 --> 00:31:54,240 wanted to say that Rich when you highlight and put red on this it really 202 00:31:52,480 --> 00:31:56,240 jumps out and makes it a lot easier for us to understand. 203 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:59,120 Great. Awesome. Is or isn't. 204 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,120 That sounds good. Yeah. So that's that's very helpful. 205 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:06,000 I appreciate it. And like I said, I'm looking for any sort of feedback on um 206 00:32:04,159 --> 00:32:10,240 you know, as we develop these, I want to give you something that's usable. Um so 207 00:32:09,679 --> 00:32:14,000 very I think it's No, I think it way exceeds 208 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:16,559 industry standards. Yeah. Okay. Thanks. 209 00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:20,559 Y very good. I appreciate that. And we do have um one 210 00:32:19,679 --> 00:32:30,640 more. Yep. Um and this was for a deck 211 00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:36,399 um out on uh Fill Cottage Road. Um and uh 212 00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:41,519 this is one where we we we have the application now. Um my understanding was 213 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:48,159 is that there was an attempt to reach out to us more than once. Um I don't 214 00:32:45,120 --> 00:32:57,200 know how many times. Um, and he did not get by from the town. Um, and he reached 215 00:32:53,279 --> 00:33:00,960 out to Max a couple weeks ago maybe and and just basically said, "I've got a 216 00:32:59,039 --> 00:33:06,080 crew and I need to build it and I'm I'm going to build it." Um, and uh, so we 217 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:11,360 went out there today. We wanted to, you know, investigate it and take a closer 218 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:15,440 look at it. And um, it is it is a small deck. I personally when I think of a 219 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:20,880 deck I think of like this large structure that's got this is literally 220 00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,799 um I don't know 6 in off the ground maybe 221 00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:27,679 it's more of an apron right yeah it's it's a very short deck like 222 00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:32,960 one that does it's not high enough that it actually needs railings um and I know 223 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:37,840 it's hard to see on here and I'm going to I'm going to start drawing on these 224 00:33:34,799 --> 00:33:42,799 so you can actually see them but this building here this this structure here 225 00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:47,120 the deck is literally in front of this and it's it's a tiny deck. There's there 226 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:51,039 is that attached to the building? It is. 227 00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:55,039 Is it serve as an entrance or exit? It is attached where the entrance was. 228 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:59,760 Yeah. And I think it has to be inspected by 229 00:33:56,880 --> 00:34:04,000 UDC. Okay. 230 00:34:00,399 --> 00:34:09,280 I'm pretty sure that in our current ordinance that that's a requirement. 231 00:34:07,039 --> 00:34:14,960 If it serves if it's attached and it serves as an entrance or exit to a 232 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:19,919 building to a dwelling, it has to be inspected by UTC. 233 00:34:17,839 --> 00:34:24,560 Okay. The owner wasn't there when when Max and I were there, but we left a 234 00:34:21,919 --> 00:34:30,639 message with I think family members to to give us a call. 235 00:34:27,359 --> 00:34:36,159 So you you it's the town still wants the land use currently even though it has to 236 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:39,800 be inspected by UDC I believe it's 237 00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:45,839 I'm not sure if we can approve it without it being inspected. No, but you 238 00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:50,480 can approve you could approve land use permit contingent on inspection by HC, 239 00:34:48,879 --> 00:34:54,480 right? I think that would be the proper 240 00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:58,000 procedure. Okay. But it's more than just two steps. 241 00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:01,280 It's a it's like like the size of this table type desk or deck. 242 00:35:00,160 --> 00:35:05,839 Yeah, more or less. Oh, okay. Well, yeah, it needs there's a 243 00:35:03,760 --> 00:35:09,040 fee required. Yeah, that's to meet setbacks. I was just envisioning it's 244 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,960 more than just two steps going into a door. 245 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:16,720 No, it's it's Yeah, it's one step. Yeah, that's fine. 246 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:20,960 We will take care of that. And then the last two things on the on the very back 247 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:26,000 page of that one um is I like to measure just from the shoreline. Um and it's 248 00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:30,240 2200 ft. So, it's nothing there. And then um the bottom one is just a 249 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:35,440 depiction of any wetlands that are in the general area and there's none. So, I 250 00:35:33,280 --> 00:35:39,680 just wanted to go through all of the aspects of it. So, 251 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:43,920 perfect. Those are the three that we wanted to report on today and I I'll be 252 00:35:42,160 --> 00:35:48,480 working with Kevin and and anything else that we got coming in to keep these 253 00:35:46,079 --> 00:35:52,560 moving forward as quickly as possible. Thank you. 254 00:35:49,359 --> 00:35:58,040 Yeah, thank you so much. So, have I got a motion to approve this with 255 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,040 contingencies? 256 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:11,359 I'll approve the land use applications submitted by Marggo Whittig. 257 00:36:08,960 --> 00:36:16,480 um contingent upon review of the 258 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:20,560 review for uniform dwelling code requirements. 259 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:24,800 One second. Any discussion? All in favor? Hi. 260 00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:27,800 Hi. Hi. 261 00:36:31,760 --> 00:36:37,800 Who business review MCHU conditional use permit application? 262 00:36:39,520 --> 00:36:43,800 Well, last time we talked about 263 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:52,680 having uh people coming up with a list of of uh 264 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,680 Yeah. 265 00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:04,920 Everybody have their 266 00:37:05,119 --> 00:37:11,680 things on my list. Okay. um one that we discussed a 267 00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:16,560 commercial inspection given that people were going to be in 268 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:20,800 visiting um would want the building to a standard 269 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:26,760 that allows the public to be in there for essentially what I is our commercial 270 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,760 purposes. 271 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:38,280 Um uh occupancy tied to applicable or 272 00:37:33,839 --> 00:37:38,280 available parking spaces only 273 00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:55,440 on the point of the music uh up for discussion but I 274 00:37:52,560 --> 00:38:02,640 understand ambient music and that sort of thing. I I my twist on that was there 275 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:09,320 would be no amplified music. Amplified music would be disruptive and again open 276 00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:09,320 to discussion but that was on my list. 277 00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:28,880 Anybody else got a few concerns or notations as well? 278 00:38:24,720 --> 00:38:32,880 some that mirror David's. Um, I too would like to see the property to be 279 00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:37,760 inspected by the town point building inspector if deemed necessary by the 280 00:38:35,200 --> 00:38:41,280 inspector. Same thing with parking. 281 00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:46,560 We want to make sure sufficient off- streetet parking provided per the zoning 282 00:38:43,839 --> 00:38:51,760 ordinance. And what I can see is two spaces in addition to the residential 283 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:57,520 parking requirements and one space for every two employees and no parking on 284 00:38:54,400 --> 00:39:03,119 Benjamin Boulevard at any time. The live music 285 00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:09,280 also gives me some pause and concern. Um I can understand having music inside the 286 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:14,320 building such as stereo or radio, something like that. I'm concerned about 287 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:18,720 the advertising of live musical performances 288 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:21,960 on the premise. Um, I don't think it should be permitted. 289 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:28,000 Another concern would be off- premise directionary signs advertised in this 290 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:32,880 business. Obviously, no off- premise directionary 291 00:39:30,480 --> 00:39:37,359 signs should be allowed. And per the ordinance only one on 292 00:39:34,720 --> 00:39:41,920 premise advertising sign not illuminated not to ex 12 square feet in area shall 293 00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:45,520 be permitted. The sign shall be in the lot setback not in the rightway provide 294 00:39:43,839 --> 00:39:49,760 it does not interfere with passage of vehicles or pedestrians. 295 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:54,320 And last but not least would be no retail or 296 00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:57,760 wholesale products may be sold or offered on the site except those 297 00:39:55,599 --> 00:40:03,119 products and services that are actually produced on site by the applicant and 298 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:08,079 associated family members. It's limited to being operated as an art 299 00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:11,280 studio gallery. Um, 300 00:40:09,839 --> 00:40:15,040 I don't know how to handle food and beverages being offered or or 301 00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:18,880 advertised. I don't think they should be advertised 302 00:40:17,359 --> 00:40:26,480 for sale because this is not a restaurant or a bar. And one last thing 303 00:40:22,240 --> 00:40:32,320 is uh get the the item of guest artist. Again, this is a a home emphasize home 304 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:39,520 business. it's not located in a commercial zone. You you you are granted 305 00:40:35,839 --> 00:40:43,200 more in a commercial zone than in a W1 low density zone. So those are my 306 00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:46,440 concerns and list. 307 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,560 Yeah. 308 00:40:53,119 --> 00:41:01,560 Something else, Charlie. Huh? No, no, no. Go ahead. Sorry. 309 00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,560 Um 310 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:08,200 I agree with some of the uh issues that were mentioned previously. 311 00:41:09,359 --> 00:41:17,040 One that hasn't been mentioned yet I guess is the uh cop if it's state of the 312 00:41:14,560 --> 00:41:20,640 property or not but I think we can we can 313 00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:28,079 settle that. I don't think it's a big issue where we can restrict the uh BFP 314 00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,960 expire business. that the property is sold. 315 00:41:28,720 --> 00:41:36,319 Yeah. Just like the year. The CUP does not go with the land. 316 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:43,280 I research that today you can't restrict it. 317 00:41:40,240 --> 00:41:48,160 But what you can do is put a term on it. The term expires and stuff. And if you 318 00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:52,640 set a term one year, let's say you set a one-year term for the traditional use, 319 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:58,480 which can be the that's legal. You can set a term. But if 320 00:41:55,440 --> 00:42:04,400 if in that term within that term property was sold, the new owner would 321 00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:09,920 be able to have the same use until the end of the term. That's how it works. 322 00:42:07,520 --> 00:42:15,520 Okay. So, if you set a one-year term that I mean that's pretty tight. So, the 323 00:42:13,839 --> 00:42:22,160 likelihood that someone else would buy it and then be able to really think that 324 00:42:19,119 --> 00:42:25,119 they could develop something, you know, pretty big out of that, I think it's 325 00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:29,599 unlikely. As long as you put a term that's short, 326 00:42:27,839 --> 00:42:35,520 you know, not five years or 10 years, but a year you but you cannot 327 00:42:32,240 --> 00:42:40,240 statutoilally the town cannot restrict to person. 328 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:43,920 Way I read it. You could uh Well, I looked at it pretty hard this 329 00:42:42,079 --> 00:42:49,560 morning. Okay. I have to revisit that and look 330 00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,560 again. But 331 00:42:52,240 --> 00:43:00,319 at at the end of the term, would they have to apply for a new CU? 332 00:42:57,839 --> 00:43:04,400 Is it renewable? Does it want to off, you know, is it renew selfrenew? I mean, 333 00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:07,400 it's how you would draft that. Okay. 334 00:43:11,839 --> 00:43:17,640 Alstrom. Um, 335 00:43:18,319 --> 00:43:26,000 I guess our next move, unless other people have 336 00:43:23,359 --> 00:43:31,520 things they want to discuss, is if we're going to look at possibly granting this 337 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:38,480 cup, we have to sit down and look at the language and the actual conditions that 338 00:43:34,720 --> 00:43:41,440 we want to put on that CUP. Yeah. Recommend to the town board for 339 00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:46,960 approval. Yeah. But we have to come up with a list 340 00:43:44,480 --> 00:43:51,520 of conditions. Well, the only thing that bothers me is 341 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:56,480 I I in my mind he has a lot of parking spaces out there and everything looks 342 00:43:54,079 --> 00:44:03,680 good except the advertised music that's out there um bringing people in to 343 00:44:00,160 --> 00:44:09,760 perform. It was a flute out there as kind of background music for for 344 00:44:06,640 --> 00:44:15,760 people wandering around, but now they're a wine and and and 345 00:44:12,720 --> 00:44:21,760 kind of a reception with music with being brought in and that concerns me. I 346 00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:26,560 Did you hear the flute at your house? I flung flute. No, I was last chair. No. 347 00:44:25,359 --> 00:44:31,040 Um I I've got a way to solve the music issue. 348 00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:36,800 Yeah. Three police reports referencing 349 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:41,599 town of Le Point ordinance infraction is grounds for a CUP relication. Now the 350 00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:47,800 noise ordinance is a town ordinance chapter 336 351 00:44:48,000 --> 00:45:00,160 right here. Chasser 336 residential 7 a.m. to 1000 p.m. 55 dB 352 00:44:56,000 --> 00:45:06,319 1000 p.m. to to 7 a.m. is 45 dB. The police carry decel readers with them. So 353 00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:09,680 if somebody complains, you know, I don't think anybody's going to 354 00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:14,240 complain. I just don't. But the point of my concern with that, 355 00:45:12,240 --> 00:45:19,520 sorry to interrupt, is the fact that it's a home business. if if 356 00:45:17,440 --> 00:45:23,599 they were doing the musical stuff themselves. But if you're having guest 357 00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:28,240 acts come property, it changes the whole dynamic of being a home business, does 358 00:45:25,359 --> 00:45:32,079 it not? And my 359 00:45:30,640 --> 00:45:36,480 I mean, where where do you start and stop going forward if you allow that? 360 00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:40,280 That's my concern, Paul. Sorry to interrupt. 361 00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:40,280 That's okay. 362 00:45:40,640 --> 00:45:51,720 Uh I don't know. That's that's my thought process. with the with the 363 00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:51,720 music, but I'm just one person here. 364 00:45:51,839 --> 00:45:55,839 And I believe there had not been an issue yet. 365 00:45:55,359 --> 00:45:59,040 No. On the number of years that they've been 366 00:45:57,440 --> 00:46:05,680 doing this, that there's been any complaints at all. There was no 367 00:46:01,119 --> 00:46:08,920 complaints or issues from the neighbor doing this. 368 00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:18,240 And as far as the the commercial building code, you know, I I would I 369 00:46:16,640 --> 00:46:24,560 think we would have to put it in there that that inspection has to happen 370 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:28,440 within a certain period of time. 6 months might be reasonable. 371 00:46:29,839 --> 00:46:33,800 Sure. Yeah. 372 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:44,000 the table on it. Has anyone out to James Price on that 373 00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:48,960 this issue at all? I mean, from the zoning office end of things. 374 00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:52,960 Well, it's it's my understanding that Steve has made an application that 375 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:58,280 hasn't been submitted yet, but Okay. Just just question. 376 00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:58,280 Is that correct, Steve? 377 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:08,960 Yeah, that's correct. Uh I was working with Max on uh figuring out what needed 378 00:47:05,520 --> 00:47:16,000 to be filled out uh because it's an existing building. The application that 379 00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:23,520 was provided was for new construction. So um as soon as we figure out what what 380 00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:29,200 is needed, what paperwork and and what amount uh we we plan on submitting that 381 00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:34,079 right away. And as far as as noise, if I may 382 00:47:32,560 --> 00:47:40,480 proceed, uh 55 dB, 383 00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:48,319 uh we're doing acoustic music. Um we had people walk up on Monday that 384 00:47:45,359 --> 00:47:55,520 thought that they asked us, I thought you have music. And we said, yeah, it's 385 00:47:52,319 --> 00:48:02,160 you know, it's going on. You could barely hear it outside of the building. 386 00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:07,440 So it's not amplified. It's uh to the point where it goes 387 00:48:05,839 --> 00:48:11,760 outside of the space. 388 00:48:09,359 --> 00:48:18,079 Yeah. So maybe about the same level as a squirrel cracking an acorn. 389 00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:24,079 Close. Close. And we're not selling food and we're not 390 00:48:21,280 --> 00:48:29,760 selling beverages. We're giving away a glass of wine or a bottle of water. So, 391 00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:37,520 this is not uh an effort for us selling 392 00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:45,440 uh or or getting into the food or beverage business and we never will be. 393 00:48:42,559 --> 00:48:50,640 Thanks, Steve. How Charlie, how many days do we have to to deal with this 394 00:48:49,119 --> 00:48:53,440 tweet? Do we have to act on this tonight? 395 00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:57,440 You're on the clock for 30 days after the public hearing on the 11th. So, 396 00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:59,920 okay. So you got to Yeah. So we need to 397 00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:03,359 You're probably Yeah. You'd want to meet sometime next week. 398 00:49:00,720 --> 00:49:07,839 Well, is that for because we're just recommending to the town board. So is 399 00:49:05,359 --> 00:49:10,800 that 30 days to the town board or is that 30 days? 400 00:49:09,040 --> 00:49:14,319 I think once you're done with the public hearing, the applicant has 30 days for 401 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:18,640 us to make a recommendation to the town board and then I think after they 402 00:49:16,240 --> 00:49:22,800 receive it, they have 30. I think we're on the clock from the 11th 403 00:49:20,319 --> 00:49:26,559 to the 11th of this month. So I mean so basically we should make a decision 404 00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:31,079 tonight unless we have a meeting next week. 405 00:49:34,000 --> 00:49:43,400 I'm I'm happy to make a decision tonight with with you know a few provisions that 406 00:49:39,839 --> 00:49:43,400 we've talked about. 407 00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:59,920 can also limit the number of musical events he had 408 00:49:55,920 --> 00:50:02,720 make it for a month which is because 409 00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,599 I think right now they're just on Monday night, 410 00:50:03,200 --> 00:50:10,720 right? I mean I I honestly think 411 00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:16,800 three three police reports referencing infractions 412 00:50:12,319 --> 00:50:23,119 of of town ordinances, you know, should should cover it. 413 00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:29,520 But but isn't isn't that a nature of um that's not a preventative condition? 414 00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:36,160 We're trying to limit or shape activity rather than react to outcomes. I think 415 00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:40,160 in these conditions, well, the other thing, Dave, is on a 416 00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:46,720 conditional use permit, when you're looking at establishing conditions, you 417 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:52,720 have to show substantial evidence, which is, and that goes on to say facts 418 00:50:49,599 --> 00:50:58,480 and information other than merely personal preferences or speculation. So, 419 00:50:55,839 --> 00:51:03,359 it's got to be based on actual facts or otherwise we get into a lot of trouble, 420 00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:08,960 right? Sure. I think it was act 67 that outline. 421 00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:15,599 Yeah. Act 67 basically says if an applicant 422 00:51:12,960 --> 00:51:18,480 agree meets or agrees to meet all the conditions that we list, 423 00:51:17,839 --> 00:51:23,839 right, we have to grant the 424 00:51:20,640 --> 00:51:28,800 gotcha. Yeah. I mean in in my mind people are here for for peaceable 425 00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:35,440 enjoyment and noise conflicts with that. So, you know, and in every cup, you 426 00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:41,760 know, to put something in there about, you know, three police reports 427 00:51:38,240 --> 00:51:48,480 referencing, you know, town ordinance infractions just kind of 428 00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:55,920 covers that. Mhm. Um and yeah, another thing is on the issue of uh selling 429 00:51:52,160 --> 00:52:00,880 products that are produced on site under home business in our current ordinance. 430 00:51:58,720 --> 00:52:04,800 It says no retail or wholesale products may be sold on the site except those 431 00:52:03,040 --> 00:52:08,480 produce and services that are actually produced on the site. So it's that's 432 00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:11,480 pretty much already covered. Yeah. 433 00:52:14,559 --> 00:52:20,319 But if he's advertising for wine and cheese tasting and he says I'm giving it 434 00:52:18,079 --> 00:52:26,720 away. We've never advertised cheese and um 435 00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:30,079 well my point is if you're advertising something 436 00:52:28,319 --> 00:52:34,160 is that part of a home business unless the wine is made on site. I'm getting 437 00:52:32,319 --> 00:52:39,839 back to this home business idea. It says for sale. 438 00:52:37,599 --> 00:52:46,640 Fine. I'm not going to argue the point. The point though is Jim is that a home 439 00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:51,359 business is designed for stuff that is produced on site or created on site and 440 00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:56,800 his application is for an art studio and gallery. It's not for a music venue. 441 00:52:55,040 --> 00:52:59,280 I'm just trying to Yeah. 442 00:52:57,839 --> 00:53:04,360 Not the eyes cross the teeth. I've been through a lot of these 443 00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:07,449 and I know how it's manipulated. [Music] 444 00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:21,200 Well, I'm comfortable with all of it except what bothers me is is the 445 00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:26,800 advertising of music. That's I know the reason is to bring people out to see his 446 00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:31,359 artwork and and the gallery and stuff to help them enjoy themselves while out 447 00:53:29,040 --> 00:53:36,880 there, but it seems like it's pushing the envelope 448 00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:41,480 for me to include that the music stuff. That's that's just my thought. 449 00:53:42,720 --> 00:53:47,400 Well, why don't you decide on a vote or whatever? 450 00:53:50,720 --> 00:53:54,839 Well, we're going to need a question. 451 00:53:58,720 --> 00:54:07,119 We actually want to work on this a little bit and write down provisions. 452 00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:13,520 I think we have to if we're going to try and see. I mean, we need to actually 453 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:21,559 list the conditions. Running out of time, right? Well, 454 00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:21,559 for this meeting. We're not. But 455 00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:29,079 I think we should we should work on this and put it to rest. 456 00:54:29,359 --> 00:54:35,400 You've been waiting to get through. 457 00:54:35,839 --> 00:54:44,800 Well, one condition I guess that we all agree on is that it needs to be. 458 00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:49,480 Yes. And is 6 months. okay for that? 459 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:55,800 I would hope so. I don't have a problem with it. 460 00:54:59,520 --> 00:55:05,359 Next. Well, we all agreed on sufficient off 461 00:55:02,559 --> 00:55:09,200 street parking per the zoning ordinance. I'd like to see no parking on Benjamin 462 00:55:07,040 --> 00:55:12,200 Boulevard personally, but that's up for discussion. 463 00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:24,000 Yeah, I I would agree with that. I think the the home business has to contain 464 00:55:21,599 --> 00:55:29,640 parking within property lines rather than a public way. 465 00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:38,240 Paul, your idea about the uh noise ordinance, I think that's put in there, 466 00:55:36,079 --> 00:55:43,440 too. Well, 467 00:55:40,079 --> 00:55:51,040 and I I guess I understand Suwellen and I understand Charlie. I mean, as far as 468 00:55:47,839 --> 00:55:56,160 the the music goes, I I think the the noise thing should be put in there 469 00:55:52,640 --> 00:56:01,280 whether there's music or no music. It's not 470 00:55:58,000 --> 00:56:06,720 personally I, you know, I I don't want to, you know, split hairs on a little 471 00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:09,960 art studio with somebody with a flute or a guitar. 472 00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:16,520 I personally don't have any pro a problem with that. 473 00:56:18,799 --> 00:56:27,200 I think regarding the music, the advertising of live music begins to blur 474 00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:34,480 a implied venue for me a little bit. I'd be open to hearing what everybody else 475 00:56:29,200 --> 00:56:41,920 has to say. But we begin to veer into that's a featured event versus the again 476 00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:47,760 back to the home base, the art and understand it's ambience and experience 477 00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:51,079 makes makes a better experience out there. But 478 00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:58,640 and if he has a radio going, a stereo, you know, that's background inside. 479 00:56:56,480 --> 00:57:02,480 Yeah, I have no issue with that. And again, that's where Paul's idea if it's 480 00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:06,640 too loud. Well, yeah, then that comes into play with the noise ordinance, 481 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:10,079 which is on the books already, right? 482 00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:13,119 Again, my concern is having musical acts show up, whether it's person or, you 483 00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:16,559 know, I kind of 484 00:57:14,640 --> 00:57:21,200 did a blanket thing, you know, just referencing, you know, 485 00:57:19,359 --> 00:57:25,920 the point ordinance and fractions. I mean the noise ordinance is one tiny 486 00:57:23,599 --> 00:57:28,920 little thing, you know, all the ordinances. 487 00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:41,119 Well, I still feel that uh people that live out here on the island have it's 488 00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:46,319 not the easiest place to make a living. And if somebody has a home business or 489 00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:51,359 whatever and they're going to have people come in and perform music to draw 490 00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:55,280 in customers, I don't see a problem with that. As long as we have somebody that's 491 00:57:53,920 --> 00:58:00,160 going to make sure it doesn't get too loud and people aren't going to 492 00:57:57,040 --> 00:58:06,400 complain. Um I just think it's part of living out 493 00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:11,680 here operating a business. You have to do different things to 494 00:58:08,799 --> 00:58:17,280 to bring in the customers. I mean our you know the commercial zone is you know 495 00:58:14,640 --> 00:58:22,359 primarily residential and you know I think we need to think outside the box 496 00:58:19,359 --> 00:58:22,359 for 497 00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:29,440 well the applicant had a business in the commercial zone and now he's in a low 498 00:58:26,799 --> 00:58:32,400 density residential district. So that's his 499 00:58:30,000 --> 00:58:39,359 I absolutely agree with that. You know it's a little 500 00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:47,359 a little odd but it it is what it is. Well, it is in W1, which is 20 acre 501 00:58:43,440 --> 00:58:51,599 parcel. And the neighbors, you know, there's a few neighbors out 502 00:58:49,359 --> 00:58:54,319 there really, but they they showed up and they were all in 503 00:58:53,680 --> 00:58:59,520 favor, right? 504 00:58:56,079 --> 00:59:02,520 Nobody's nobody said anything negative. No, 505 00:59:04,079 --> 00:59:11,119 I can understand your concern about uh a business 506 00:59:09,359 --> 00:59:16,960 using different ways to bring in customers. 507 00:59:14,240 --> 00:59:23,200 But I think that's kind of a necessity out here. It's hard enough to 508 00:59:20,640 --> 00:59:29,440 have a business, a home business, and not be able to attract people to come 509 00:59:26,319 --> 00:59:33,760 and look at your products. Yeah, I understand that, Jim. But at the 510 00:59:31,280 --> 00:59:38,400 same time, the home business was designed so that someone could have a 511 00:59:36,160 --> 00:59:43,920 small business at home. It's not a commercial zone. I'm not gonna waste my 512 00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:49,359 breath continually beating that horse to death, but it's not a commercial zone 513 00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:52,799 out there. And if he's an art studio, God bless him. I wish him well, but it's 514 00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:57,359 that's what it is. That's what his application was for. And to present it 515 00:59:55,280 --> 01:00:01,920 at anything other than that, I think is misleading. And I I'm against any live 516 01:00:00,160 --> 01:00:06,319 music. The more we talk here, I'm just getting more and more against it. Sorry 517 01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:09,280 to say because I don't think there's any way to 518 01:00:07,599 --> 01:00:14,319 police it quite honestly to be honest with you. If you allow it, who's going 519 01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:19,280 to police it? Well, the only other thing he can do to 520 01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:23,040 bring customers out is word of mouth or signage. And we're we're tough on 521 01:00:21,440 --> 01:00:27,640 signage. We've dealt with that before. So 522 01:00:27,839 --> 01:00:37,040 if he doesn't advertise anything, he can basically, you know, have his friends 523 01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:45,160 and neighbors over and do anything he wants and he wouldn't even be the CUP. 524 01:00:41,200 --> 01:00:45,160 Yeah, but that's why we're here. 525 01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:49,799 It's not to look the other way, guys. 526 01:00:53,040 --> 01:00:59,480 Charlie, I'm still having a hard time understanding or against music. 527 01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:07,119 Guys, it's a home business. Have you read what a home business is and what 528 01:01:04,319 --> 01:01:12,160 it's not? Tell me. I mean, I don't want to get 529 01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:16,319 upset, but I I I just don't get it. What do you What do you think a home business 530 01:01:14,160 --> 01:01:21,760 is? Is it the same as a business downtown Le Point? Because it's not. 531 01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:26,000 Well, we have such a small commercial. I know. I've heard that and and I've 532 01:01:23,599 --> 01:01:29,760 been through the comprehensive plan and and this is allowing him to do something 533 01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:34,480 out of his house. But why are we constantly morphing it into more of a 534 01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:37,520 commercial enterprise? You also have to remember after we make 535 01:01:35,920 --> 01:01:41,680 a recommendation, the town board can just throw everything we just talked 536 01:01:39,200 --> 01:01:46,319 about into the trash and start it over. I hope they don't, but I've seen that 537 01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:49,599 too, Jim, and I know you have. So, but the town board can 538 01:01:48,160 --> 01:01:52,720 Yeah. But they do. 539 01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:56,559 That's part of our But I think I've said my piece. I'm not, 540 01:01:54,799 --> 01:02:02,559 you know, if someone else wants to talk, that's fine. That's my concern. 541 01:01:59,599 --> 01:02:05,440 It's clear, right? Not to me. 542 01:02:03,280 --> 01:02:09,920 Okay. Sorry. I don't know what else I can do. 543 01:02:06,319 --> 01:02:16,480 I mean, I see your point, but as it applies to the CUP, 544 01:02:12,640 --> 01:02:20,480 I don't I don't see uh the value of it. That's your opinion. I disagree. 545 01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:30,559 Well, I'm in Charlie's camp on that and Steve's my friend and I wanted to do 546 01:02:27,599 --> 01:02:35,079 Well, I he has very few avenues to pursue to bring people out there. 547 01:02:35,839 --> 01:02:45,359 So, I don't know what the situation I'm I'm just not comfortable with advertised 548 01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:52,079 u music out there. The purpose is to bring people out to enjoy his artwork. 549 01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:56,400 But I it it goes we it doesn't seem like what the home business was supposed to 550 01:02:53,920 --> 01:03:02,079 be supposed to be a cottage industry out of your home. I don't know. I don't want 551 01:02:58,799 --> 01:03:09,240 to I don't want to be difficult although I am 552 01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:09,240 Dave. What do you think? 553 01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:16,640 Well, I I am really hung up as a of the live music piece of this. I and I think 554 01:03:15,359 --> 01:03:22,319 it's uh I give you so um 555 01:03:20,240 --> 01:03:26,880 our our I'll just give you an example of of how things can escalate. My worry is 556 01:03:24,880 --> 01:03:30,559 that we are not putting in measures to keep you know to sort of shape the 557 01:03:28,720 --> 01:03:37,599 outcomes that we want to see given the conditional use. So we live pretty close 558 01:03:33,039 --> 01:03:42,960 to uh Bud Nelson's old hospitality room. And it was never loud music that really 559 01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:47,280 was disruptive. It was the 40 motorcycles that showed up that was 560 01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:52,480 disruptive around in our neighborhood. That's just an example. I would say even 561 01:03:50,720 --> 01:03:56,960 if we had acoustic here, I'll give you a really extreme example. Let's say we've 562 01:03:55,359 --> 01:04:01,280 got someone playing that room. So, it's it's an advertised live music acoustic 563 01:03:59,280 --> 01:04:04,880 only one guitar, but that guitar player happens, this is going to be a stretch, 564 01:04:03,039 --> 01:04:12,319 so give me some leeway here, but that guitar player happens to be run out, 565 01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:16,240 right? or a pretty uh exciting draw. Now we've got something that's shifting into 566 01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:21,839 a music venue a little bit more. And and I'm not saying they are or not. And I 567 01:04:18,799 --> 01:04:26,319 appreciate the ambient music um sort of enhancing the experience out there in 568 01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:30,240 and of itself. I'm not against that. To your point, a stereo or something that 569 01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:37,599 brings some ambient sound that can be pleasant. Um, but uh I'm worried about 570 01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:42,240 the escalation of what live music out there could become and having a set of 571 01:04:40,480 --> 01:04:48,640 reasonable controls, Paul, you brought them up of noise um you know uh 572 01:04:46,319 --> 01:04:56,559 violation that can that can actually be a after the fact remedy. But I think our 573 01:04:54,400 --> 01:05:01,119 focus here is to say shape the conditions that we want to see, you 574 01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:07,039 know, so the the business can right out of the gate be or the home business 575 01:05:03,440 --> 01:05:11,920 right out of the gate be uh acceptable in the neighborhood. So that's that's my 576 01:05:08,799 --> 01:05:20,160 hangup with a music venue is that um it's hard to, 577 01:05:15,359 --> 01:05:26,400 you know, apply what's the right act to have out there. Is it someone playing a 578 01:05:23,039 --> 01:05:31,039 flute or a guitar or is it, you know, something James Taylor showing up? Not 579 01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:34,960 saying that that's the case here, but that's the scale that I'm trying to to 580 01:05:32,880 --> 01:05:38,880 look at in terms of how that would be a draw. 581 01:05:35,839 --> 01:05:44,720 I've got three to five. No music, no live music. So, let's, you know, it's 582 01:05:42,240 --> 01:05:49,520 the way it is and let's move on. What's next on our list here? 583 01:05:47,440 --> 01:05:56,480 Well, I have to take issue with what Dave just said because once again I have 584 01:05:52,160 --> 01:06:02,079 to go back to what it says about substantial evidence, facts, and 585 01:05:59,119 --> 01:06:06,880 information other than merely personal preferences or speculation. And a lot of 586 01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:12,400 this what we're talking about is speculation. 587 01:06:08,799 --> 01:06:19,359 And we're supposed to use the facts. facts are he's been doing this for three 588 01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:24,720 years. Has been no problem. People that try and make a living out here on the 589 01:06:21,680 --> 01:06:31,039 island have a hard time. They need to do what they can to bring in customers. 590 01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:37,520 Another fact. So, if we get away from speculation and what might happen, 591 01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:43,920 I think we have to go back and look at what's happening now and has happened. 592 01:06:41,520 --> 01:06:48,640 Jim, I I I appreciate that perspective, but I think when you have a live music 593 01:06:45,839 --> 01:06:54,559 act that's not yourself in that it becomes a venue, and that's my 594 01:06:50,720 --> 01:06:59,359 perspective. It's not uh I think it's I think we're turning it into something 595 01:06:56,559 --> 01:07:04,079 else by having live music there. And that's not really that's not a if I may, 596 01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:07,200 I'm not speculating on that. I'm just saying, hey, if we're going to loud 597 01:07:05,280 --> 01:07:10,200 music, then in my mind, it becomes a venue. 598 01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:17,760 tend to agree. The purpose is for people to see his artwork, which is there there 599 01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:24,480 a lot there's a lot of artwork. It's a pleasant building. Um, 600 01:07:21,920 --> 01:07:31,200 and that's kind of veering away veering away from the focus being his artwork. I 601 01:07:28,079 --> 01:07:35,599 realize he was wants to as as I said before, I think the proper thing was 602 01:07:33,839 --> 01:07:40,000 signage, but we've kind of blown that one out. Um, 603 01:07:38,559 --> 01:07:44,160 I don't know what everybody wants to do on that. 604 01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:47,319 It has to get inspected. So, let's start with that. 605 01:07:47,839 --> 01:07:53,599 Well, the the problem with the inspection 606 01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:58,960 and I came up with a with a time limit on it because if if we require the 607 01:07:56,880 --> 01:08:04,480 inspection first, you know, then we're going to not be recommending the CUP. he 608 01:08:02,480 --> 01:08:11,200 would have to make application again after you know the the building was 609 01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:18,719 inspected and we had a commercial certification. So we can get around that 610 01:08:14,720 --> 01:08:25,120 by by recommending this tonight and put a six-month limit, you know, to to to 611 01:08:22,239 --> 01:08:29,120 have that that commercial certification. And if we don't get it in six months, 612 01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:32,560 then, you know, we have the right to revoke the CUP. 613 01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:37,279 Yeah. I don't know how James Price handles after the fact commercial 614 01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:39,199 permits. I mean, do you or anyone else? I have no idea. 615 01:08:38,159 --> 01:08:41,839 I have no idea. Yeah, I have no idea. So, that's why he 616 01:08:40,480 --> 01:08:44,400 said if deemed necessary by the inspector. Maybe he says it's not 617 01:08:43,600 --> 01:08:51,920 needed. I don't He did an after the fact inspection that 618 01:08:46,960 --> 01:08:55,759 I've been told on the uh the candle shop because that was a a vintage house when 619 01:08:54,239 --> 01:09:01,759 it was purchased and now it's a commercial candle enterprise. So, true, 620 01:08:58,400 --> 01:09:04,759 they can be done. Okay. Fahrenheit. 621 01:09:05,679 --> 01:09:15,920 So, I'm I'm still I I'm seeing here that that the the live music is off the 622 01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:22,239 table. It's unfortunate, but you know, we need to move on and and and come up 623 01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:25,440 with uh you know, the the rest of the provisions that were on people's list. 624 01:09:24,480 --> 01:09:29,199 And I think Okay, moving on. Then are we in 625 01:09:27,040 --> 01:09:33,279 agreement about the off no off premise directionary signs 626 01:09:31,279 --> 01:09:37,279 advertising his business? I mean he's allowed to have his sign 627 01:09:35,440 --> 01:09:40,480 at the business. Correct. Yep. Yeah. So 628 01:09:38,480 --> 01:09:42,880 yeah. Well that's our current ordinance. That's fine. I just want to make sure 629 01:09:41,679 --> 01:09:47,759 it's in there. If if our ordinance changes then you 630 01:09:45,279 --> 01:09:54,600 know then it would be different but how our 631 01:09:50,799 --> 01:09:54,600 current ordinance reads. 632 01:10:01,120 --> 01:10:04,520 Anything else? 633 01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:13,520 You want to read back the list? I've got the inspection 6 months off 634 01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:19,199 streetet parking uh noise ordinance and no directionary signs and and it looks 635 01:10:16,719 --> 01:10:25,120 like uh Max has been taking more detailed notes. 636 01:10:22,239 --> 01:10:33,080 There was the issue about 637 01:10:28,239 --> 01:10:33,080 you got the signage language. Okay. 638 01:10:35,679 --> 01:10:43,760 I think yeah there's it was basically there spy the the noise the parking 639 01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:49,600 commercial inspection the no live music and the no retail products. So 640 01:10:47,679 --> 01:10:53,679 Dave, did you have enough something that doesn't fit in there? 641 01:10:51,120 --> 01:10:57,840 Nope. No. I I think I don't know that we need to put in 642 01:10:56,080 --> 01:11:00,880 retail products other than produce on the site that city ordinance business. 643 01:11:00,560 --> 01:11:05,040 Okay. Which which ordinance? Pardon? 644 01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:11,239 Which which ordinance can I reference? Yeah. Um section uh 6.4.C. 645 01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:21,840 Right. So that then we would just well I guess it's implied condition is that 646 01:11:20,320 --> 01:11:26,600 compliance with all the existing ordinances that okay 647 01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:37,199 the existing ordinance of the state but does that mean if the ordinance changes 648 01:11:35,679 --> 01:11:41,440 in a year this will automatically change? 649 01:11:40,000 --> 01:11:45,080 Yeah, they could just put in there to the current ordinance 650 01:11:47,280 --> 01:11:52,480 because I don't think you want to have somebody comply with an ordinance that's 651 01:11:50,719 --> 01:11:57,280 out of date. No, as long as we're clear the assumption of 652 01:11:55,760 --> 01:12:01,280 the ordinance supersede everything else. I 653 01:11:59,120 --> 01:12:04,960 mean, has to be that. That's not what's up to debate here in terms of our 654 01:12:03,360 --> 01:12:09,520 conditions. It changes. It's outside of our purview 655 01:12:07,120 --> 01:12:15,840 anyway. or something changes at the state or county level, right? 656 01:12:13,600 --> 01:12:18,880 Yeah. It's just like the the it's the state statutes 657 01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:22,960 that with the commercial inspection. I mean, 658 01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:27,920 change of use commercial inspection, that's a that's a state statute, 659 01:12:25,760 --> 01:12:32,320 correct? Just one thing to circle back on if it hasn't been brought but and 660 01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:36,080 maybe I don't know how I've never seen one how they're drafting but do you want 661 01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:42,320 to put a term you know like it's a one-year term you 662 01:12:39,440 --> 01:12:47,360 want that in the as a condition well in my mind it certainly would have 663 01:12:44,719 --> 01:12:52,880 to be a lot longer than one year I just want to bring that back up and 664 01:12:49,280 --> 01:12:57,679 get got on all these subjects but if you're worried about past this this 665 01:12:56,080 --> 01:13:00,800 conditional use passing on to someone else. 666 01:12:58,640 --> 01:13:06,000 Yeah, I mean make the term for I'm just I'm just one guy, but in my 667 01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:11,120 mind I don't it wouldn't bother me if it if it went with the land because if if 668 01:13:08,480 --> 01:13:16,000 somebody else wants to, you know, step into Steve's footprint, you know, I mean 669 01:13:13,679 --> 01:13:21,199 what as long as they adhere to the terms of the cup, who cares? 670 01:13:19,280 --> 01:13:25,280 Yeah. I don't I mean I I don't have a problem with eliminating that whole 671 01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:27,120 thing about a time limit or whatever. I mean, I don't know why we need a time 672 01:13:26,640 --> 01:13:31,920 run. Yeah. I just I just remember they did it 673 01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:36,480 on the year and they wouldn't, you know, they did that with the homeowner only, 674 01:13:34,239 --> 01:13:40,159 right? Or that's what it was three, four years ago 675 01:13:38,239 --> 01:13:43,760 out there, right? It it stays with them, but once they sell it, 676 01:13:41,520 --> 01:13:48,239 right? But now Max is telling me that that or us that that's not, you know, 677 01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:56,400 how it should have been done, correct? You know, uh well, okay. 678 01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:59,760 Anybody with a with a motion to get this show on the road here? 679 01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:02,760 Option to recommend it down board. Yeah. 680 01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:22,239 I recommend to the town board approval of the Steven and Mary McHugh 681 01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:27,159 conditional use permit with the following conditions. Can I have those, 682 01:14:24,159 --> 01:14:27,159 please? 683 01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:39,120 Inspection by the UDC inspection within 6 months. Correct. 684 01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:42,640 Yeah. Commercial UDC inspection. Commercial UDC inspection. Those are 685 01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:45,800 just my scratch notes. That's fine. 686 01:14:51,040 --> 01:15:00,280 sufficient off streetet parking provided per zoning ordinance and no 687 01:14:56,320 --> 01:15:00,280 parking on Benjamin Boulevard. 688 01:15:03,679 --> 01:15:11,520 No live musical performances. Noise ordinance. 689 01:15:09,440 --> 01:15:17,760 Adherence to the tunnel point noise ordinance. Well, all all ordinances 690 01:15:14,880 --> 01:15:22,560 all ordinances. What else did we have? I think that's 691 01:15:19,120 --> 01:15:25,840 it. And no directionary signage. But again, that to Jim's point, that's 692 01:15:24,080 --> 01:15:31,040 already in the ordinance. You want to include it as 693 01:15:27,920 --> 01:15:35,480 doubling up. So be it. Again, the town board can change. 694 01:15:32,480 --> 01:15:35,480 Oh, 695 01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:39,960 that everything. 696 01:15:40,000 --> 01:15:46,239 Yeah. Well, in seconds. Uh, any discussion? 697 01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:50,640 So, you're saying there's no parking allowed on Benjamin Boulevard in this? 698 01:15:48,239 --> 01:15:53,640 That was my motion. Correct. 699 01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:59,120 He's got enough parking out there. I think 700 01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:02,760 if he has enough parking off street, it shouldn't be a problem. Yeah. 701 01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:18,640 Got a motion on a second discussing. 702 01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:23,600 Not comfortable with no parking on Ben Boulevard. I think if he's does a show 703 01:16:21,440 --> 01:16:28,800 where he's just showing new art and people come out and somebody wants to 704 01:16:26,719 --> 01:16:31,920 park on the Benjamin Boulevard, you go in and look at his art. I have problem 705 01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:36,480 with that. I can park on Benjamin Boulevard and get 706 01:16:34,480 --> 01:16:40,760 out of my vehicle and walk up and down. I can walk to the town park. 707 01:16:45,280 --> 01:16:51,440 Just because we list that as a condition, you know, it doesn't mean 708 01:16:49,760 --> 01:16:55,199 people, you know, aren't going to just park on 709 01:16:53,199 --> 01:17:00,000 Benjamin Boulevard. I know, but that's that would be a a reason to revoke his 710 01:16:58,719 --> 01:17:05,120 COP because right 711 01:17:00,480 --> 01:17:09,360 they violated one of the conditions and I don't know that everybody that 712 01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:15,120 would come out to Nard Studio would pull into the driveway to park. They don't 713 01:17:12,640 --> 01:17:20,400 know what they're going to get into in there, how packed it is possibly. 714 01:17:18,159 --> 01:17:24,800 Well, let's avoid that statement then. No parking on Benjamin. 715 01:17:21,840 --> 01:17:29,120 You okay with that? Not really, but uh if everyone else feels strongly about 716 01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:34,239 it, remove it. Remember again, it's not a commercial enterprise. 717 01:17:31,280 --> 01:17:37,199 I don't know what the town uh we're talking about ordinances. I don't know 718 01:17:35,679 --> 01:17:41,040 what the town ordinances about parking alongside that road anyways. Maybe 719 01:17:38,719 --> 01:17:45,600 there's no parking out there already in the book. So, you want to remove it, 720 01:17:43,120 --> 01:17:50,600 fine. But I can amend my motion to remove that. 721 01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:50,600 Okay. 722 01:17:56,880 --> 01:18:02,080 Oh, that's that's a amendment to remove that. 723 01:18:01,440 --> 01:18:03,120 So moved. Okay. 724 01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:07,600 Sure. Second. Discussion. 725 01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:10,920 All in favor? I 726 01:18:07,920 --> 01:18:10,920 I 727 01:18:11,679 --> 01:18:19,840 Okay. Future agenda items or no, excuse me. Review review technical memorandum 728 01:18:17,679 --> 01:18:23,520 number three. Carla, maybe you can refresh my memory 729 01:18:22,239 --> 01:18:29,040 technical memorandum. You get that refresh version that uh I 730 01:18:26,400 --> 01:18:34,000 had submitted to Ed about two months ago with some changes. 731 01:18:31,199 --> 01:18:36,560 If not, I can I can send it to Rich and Okay. 732 01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:38,239 in a PDF form or something and he can distribute it to everyone. 733 01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:42,239 Oh, either electronically or hard copy. 734 01:18:40,239 --> 01:18:45,920 Yeah, I I reviewed that which you changed. I missed a few pages towards 735 01:18:44,159 --> 01:18:49,280 the end, but was there any big changes in it or 736 01:18:48,400 --> 01:18:52,640 I don't think so. I didn't find them. 737 01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:59,679 It was mostly housekeeping stuff as far as changing the language from the uh 738 01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:02,239 zoning and planning the town plan. That was a lot of it, but there was a few 739 01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:05,840 other small like incarcerating people for violating 740 01:19:04,480 --> 01:19:11,880 stuff. I don't think they have the power to do that. So, 741 01:19:08,400 --> 01:19:11,880 the heat's off. 742 01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:20,360 Thanks. Moving on. Future agenda items. 743 01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:29,280 Put that technical memorize number three back on. 744 01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:33,360 Yeah. And the same old same old with the LUP. 745 01:19:31,120 --> 01:19:38,640 Yes. Um, also I'd like to see chapter 205. 746 01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:41,760 Can read this. See? Oh, excellent. 747 01:19:40,400 --> 01:19:44,159 Where that? What's that? 748 01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:46,560 What's chapter 205? Chapter 205 is the building 749 01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:51,679 construction. Oh, yeah. 750 01:19:48,800 --> 01:19:56,040 We'll talk about it. I want to put signage back on. 751 01:19:56,400 --> 01:20:00,719 Signs for signage. Yeah, 752 01:19:59,440 --> 01:20:04,480 enforcement thereof. Enforcement thereof. 753 01:20:02,400 --> 01:20:08,800 Fine with me. And I don't know if everyone got a copy 754 01:20:06,400 --> 01:20:11,440 of the draft letter I had for the next gazette, but if you could put that on 755 01:20:10,640 --> 01:20:13,760 for discussion. Yeah. 756 01:20:12,320 --> 01:20:17,679 Or in the meantime, you want to give me your feedback. I encourage it. Welcome 757 01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:23,920 it. I think it's great idea. I'm going to read it again. The spirit of uh not 758 01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:28,239 chasing down things after the fact. I think notice we can give and educating 759 01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:33,679 people on what they need to do is is really helpful. So 760 01:20:31,520 --> 01:20:38,239 forward. I I think another future agenda item, maybe I can work with Rich on this 761 01:20:35,440 --> 01:20:46,080 one and maybe Katie of just doing a a a summary review of the rental permits 762 01:20:40,880 --> 01:20:52,000 that if all due by June 15th, I think in in the in the past, some of these 763 01:20:49,199 --> 01:20:59,120 renewals have snuck in after the 15th and they didn't have to advance to a 764 01:20:55,600 --> 01:21:06,400 brand new application. So, um it would in my mind be a good idea. um that if 765 01:21:03,120 --> 01:21:12,719 the applications were late that maybe our ordinance was enforced 766 01:21:10,080 --> 01:21:16,880 and in having to submit a new application. 767 01:21:14,320 --> 01:21:20,800 Yeah, we're working on rules for the reason. 768 01:21:19,760 --> 01:21:24,800 They are. Charlie, have you got time after the 769 01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:28,000 meeting to go over that letter that you're going to put in? 770 01:21:26,719 --> 01:21:31,360 Yeah. You have copy? Yeah. Okay. Yeah. 771 01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:34,719 Yeah. Right. Yeah, 772 01:21:33,120 --> 01:21:41,480 I got it too. At least you didn't highlight the whole 773 01:21:36,719 --> 01:21:41,480 thing. Appreciate that. 774 01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:49,760 And and we can always add stuff to the future agenda items. 775 01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:54,000 So, here I've got extended public comment. Anybody uh with any thoughts? 776 01:21:52,320 --> 01:21:58,120 Yes. From 3560. 777 01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:06,800 I've had several applications over the 20 years we've had a place up here and 778 01:22:04,239 --> 01:22:10,880 each time there's a port that is on the website or our company here that we fill 779 01:22:09,440 --> 01:22:16,400 out. Sometimes there's one page, sometimes there five or six and there's 780 01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:22,320 a fee associated with it. You go through a process like this and all of mine have 781 01:22:19,280 --> 01:22:28,719 been for finding committee meeting. So that's my experience. It isn't for me. 782 01:22:26,639 --> 01:22:33,040 When there's a finding, I have never received any sort of formalization to 783 01:22:31,199 --> 01:22:38,320 say here's the decision. I've never heard it said it was rejected, it's 784 01:22:35,120 --> 01:22:42,880 proved, it's conditional, not um I went through a very similar 785 01:22:39,840 --> 01:22:48,960 process. I had a variance for done in Minnesota that we dealt with the DNR and 786 01:22:45,760 --> 01:22:55,280 it was exactly the same for fill form, pay a fee, aerial surveys, get a survey 787 01:22:52,400 --> 01:23:00,480 done. So there's some involvement and some commitment on my part. Committed it 788 01:22:58,239 --> 01:23:06,560 went to about four meetings over a period of a couple months. They finally 789 01:23:03,280 --> 01:23:11,280 approved it. The next day I get a hard copy. It's called finding facts. And it 790 01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:15,520 specifically say here's what you ask for. Here's what you get and here's the 791 01:23:13,199 --> 01:23:18,880 instructions on how you get a dependent to your legal descriptions. Those are 792 01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:23,199 correct. when I went through the special 793 01:23:21,679 --> 01:23:30,080 exception application here started in August last 794 01:23:26,719 --> 01:23:34,320 year. Um, and at that special meeting a week or 10 days ago, you folks 795 01:23:32,159 --> 01:23:39,679 formalized it, but there's still no recognition that I can go back to to say 796 01:23:38,320 --> 01:23:44,480 here's what it is and I want to apply for a building permit. So, what I'm 797 01:23:41,199 --> 01:23:49,040 asking for is if you request an applicant, any of the people coming 798 01:23:46,560 --> 01:23:53,679 before you, to fill out a form, I would ask you to adopt a form letter reading 799 01:23:51,440 --> 01:23:58,719 that says here's the plans. So, that there's something that a person has that 800 01:23:56,239 --> 01:24:03,679 recognizes that you've even been here because I was told I have to go back to 801 01:24:00,800 --> 01:24:09,440 the many minutes of previous meetings to find what the results were and all it 802 01:24:05,760 --> 01:24:14,159 said was B was discussing B. And that was it. So I'm just asking for 803 01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:18,000 some sort of recognition, not necessarily for us, but virtually 804 01:24:16,000 --> 01:24:22,320 everybody that comes in here that somehow they get acknowledged that there 805 01:24:20,159 --> 01:24:24,719 was a discussion in the plan confirmation of the decision. 806 01:24:24,400 --> 01:24:27,280 Yeah. Yeah. You should be getting something 807 01:24:26,639 --> 01:24:29,040 like that. Yeah. 808 01:24:27,679 --> 01:24:31,520 Yeah. Completely agree. Yeah. 809 01:24:30,239 --> 01:24:36,960 Makes sense to me. You too. Being a resident of Minnesota 810 01:24:34,239 --> 01:24:40,480 and and now a resident of Wisconsin for seven years, things are a little 811 01:24:38,560 --> 01:24:44,159 different here than Minnesota. Well, I think being on the island is 812 01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:46,800 part of that as well. That's why we're here. We thought 813 01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:51,520 it would be more efficient that way. And I know in ' 92 when I was audited by 814 01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:55,239 the IRS, they didn't tell me why. They just sent me a bill. 815 01:24:57,199 --> 01:25:08,719 Yeah. Paul, two things Max give something to Jim about limit on 816 01:25:05,360 --> 01:25:13,760 C's time limits. I always thought it couldn't have 817 01:25:10,639 --> 01:25:20,239 uh limit on the ownership of the CP. You can go with property state of that 818 01:25:16,800 --> 01:25:25,360 owner, but then the last administrator told me to change that and you can put 819 01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:29,280 that limit on there only with that doesn't go with the 820 01:25:27,760 --> 01:25:34,800 property. I even said prove it to me. He gave me a 821 01:25:31,920 --> 01:25:38,159 part of a state statute saying that if you got something that Dr. fix that if 822 01:25:36,400 --> 01:25:42,880 something's changed in recent years. I'd sure like to see a copy of it. So, I 823 01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:47,520 want to put it in my DOA, but I know law changes all the time, but it just seems 824 01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:51,600 like you can and you can't. If you can, you can't. Whatever's most current, I 825 01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:55,440 appreciate it. And the other thing I have is more of a rhetorical question. I 826 01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:59,239 was just curious, is this a zoning board or economic development? 827 01:26:04,080 --> 01:26:10,679 Thank you, Paul. Next, we'll do better here in Minnesota. 828 01:26:14,239 --> 01:26:19,440 Uh, next scheduled meeting August 6. 829 01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:21,600 August 6th. Mhm. 830 01:26:20,639 --> 01:26:26,520 4:30. Mhm. Everybody okay with 4:30? 831 01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:32,400 What time? Everybody's asking at 4:30. Okay. So, 832 01:26:31,280 --> 01:26:36,159 it's 4:30. 4:30. Yeah, it's 4:30. 833 01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:41,719 inside you. Yeah, just a reminder, we have a public 834 01:26:37,840 --> 01:26:41,719 hearing on August 27th. 835 01:26:43,920 --> 01:26:50,320 Matt, I looked into uh when we have to get the zoning ordinance to the public. 836 01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:55,639 Yeah, there's no requirement at all. Nothing 837 01:26:52,480 --> 01:26:55,639 at all. 838 01:26:57,920 --> 01:27:06,800 Trial by surprise. Okay, thanks. Should we meet more often 839 01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:12,320 going into that public hearing? Like I think so. I think we got uh the 840 01:27:09,840 --> 01:27:15,280 different sections have all come before the TPC and they've approved the drafts. 841 01:27:14,880 --> 01:27:18,920 So So you'll be presenting 842 01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:26,600 all the time. You've been working on it longer than 843 01:27:23,040 --> 01:27:26,600 any of us though. 844 01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:32,840 You you car 845 01:27:34,320 --> 01:27:37,320 adjournment. 846 01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:44,159 Oh, I the this meeting is adjourned. Yeah. 847 01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:47,679 Thanks. Thanks, Rich. 848 01:27:45,679 --> 01:27:50,880 Thank you. Good first meeting. Good work on Thanks. 849 01:27:48,560 --> 01:27:56,480 It's a gold standard packet right there in terms that bag anything, man. I 850 01:27:54,000 --> 01:27:56,480 appreciate it.