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right, we're ready to start the meeting.
Very good evening everybody. I just want

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to uh apologize for uh the mayor. He's
out of uh state today. So, you got me.

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Um
so, let's get the meeting started.

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Accidentate notice of this meeting has
been given in accordance with the open

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public meetings act pursuant to public
laws 1975.

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Said notice was advertised in the Asbury
Park press and the beacon and was posted

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on the bulletin board showing the time
and place of the meeting.

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Please stand and salute the flag

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to the flag of the United States of
America and to the republic for which it

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stands. One nation under God,
indivisible, with liberty and justice

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for all.
>> And please stay standing for a moment of

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silence. Uh I will make it a little
longer tonight because we've had a

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tremendous amount of tragedy in the area
on our waterways. So I want to spend a

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little extra time for those families and
people uh around

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All right.

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Uh before we get started with the uh
business, um

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while you're here,
um something new we're doing. Uh take a

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look around the room. Uh, it's Lacy Art
Community in cooperation with Lacy

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Recreation Department
Group art exhibit. It's called Exit 74.

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And you're going to start seeing these
uh pictures posted around town from

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local people and it's from eight local
artists pos participated in this event.

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The theme to speak the be that's why I
got these local environments for faults

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and inspiration around Lacy.
So, you get a chance before you leave

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tonight, just take the time to look
around because it's uh it's actually

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even sitting up here, it's definitely
brightened up the room. Thank you. All

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righty. Get down to business discussion
regarding the 2027 fee increases for

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facility rentals. All
>> right. Um as you you have received a

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report um this week to review with
regards to the rentals at the community

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center. Um what we've been doing is
analyzing the costs of the community

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center um versus the rental revenue and
the impact that some of the rentals have

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on our facilities. And there is um a
need to consider uh raising the fees.

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I'm going to turn it over to Mr.
Restitar to recap and highlight some of

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that stuff that we are looking to
increase for 2027.

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» So basically um we're just looking to
modify our rate schedule for the

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community center. uh the park pavilion
rental fees. We did some analysis from

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local establishments in the county,
other establishments in town that

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utilize uh similar rentals. We're well
under that threshold for sure. Um in

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addition to we want to keep it
reasonable for our guests. We put a lot

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of money into the community center
between maintenance repairs. We know it

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is another aging building and we want to
continue to keep it fresh. There's been

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work done to the floors um several
several times

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» to uh
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Additionally, the park pavilion, we've
put um a tremendous amount of money and

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effort and time into the
Hebrew Park pavilion. If anyone hasn't

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gone through Hebrew Park and seen that
yet,

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» absolutely beautiful.
>> It's absolutely beautiful. We just did a

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dedication on Sunday, not to cut anybody
off for Mr. Broccol. Um, finally, the

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third thing we're looking for is a block
party permit. We get a lot a decent

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amount throughout the summer months. Uh,
block party rentals. We don't charge

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anything for that currently. Uh, there
is fees. There's administrative costs

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involved processing applications. Uh,
very simply, if somebody's looking to

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have a block party, they submit
application. The police department gets

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it. They have to review it. Has to be
sent out. If it's granted, our public

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works staff takes the equipment, brings
it down, drops it off, collects it. So

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there's there's cost involved. It's
minimal. So we're looking to just bring

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ourselves up to a better, more
achievable letter where we can uh excuse

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me address those costs internally. We
get hit with the same rates as everybody

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else. Electric's up, gas is up, cables
up, all these facility uh charges that

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we don't put onto our printers.
>> Just did the research and presented to

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the govern body.
>> Wonderful. So, I believe um George, what

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were we looking for? Increases to So,
for uh the ballroom, which is the big

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room down at community hall, we were
looking for an increase of $200 per

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rental. And the card room, which is room
C, the smaller one, um $150 per rental.

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And this is for um private non not the
organizations and the uh you know, the

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groups that use it. for private rentals
and and fundraisers that people will do.

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Um, so we're looking again, so the
ballroom that's $200 increase, the card

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room $150 increase, Gily Park, we're
looking to propose a $100 increase. The

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same with Hebrew Park, and the block
party permits, we were looking for a

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nominal fee of $25 per block party
permit. And this will be effective um

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2027.
And again, like I said, we charge the

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clubs and organizations that utilize it
for their meetings $20 a meeting and

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that will remain the same.
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» Okay. Right.
>> I I do we charge for the use of the

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kitchen and the ballroom because
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» Have we ever looked at separating it
because you're using electricity? You're

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using more electricity, etc.
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» separating
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I want to rent the ballroom, but I don't
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» Well, that never really happens. They
use the kitchen anyway. So, understand

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that, but I'm just saying refrigerator
in there. They're using the kitchen.

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There's no way to separate things of the
package when they

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» Okay.
And one of one of the uh examples of

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these costs going up, which we know
they're they're hitting everybody,

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but basically the community center in in
2021 the electric bill was $3,67.

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So far, it's estimated in 26 we will be
at $11,460.

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That's a $217
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» like everything, we're seeing it going
up. So, I mean, it's

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» I'm on board.
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» do we need a motion?
>> Chime in, Deputy Mayor.

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» Yes.
>> Um, a lot of these, you know, we don't

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take this stuff lightly, but a lot of
these are uh rentals of choice. And if

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you want to have a a spot in the South
Dots and you have a boat that there's a

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cost. I mean, if you want to have a spot
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costs, uh, everything involved.
Maintenance, repair. So,

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we do what we can to I mean, our our
summer camp is about $4 a day. Comes out

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to about $4 a day. So, we're losing on
that. I mean, we do everything we can

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for the residents, especially for the
parents and the seniors and really

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everyone in between. As deputy mayor
said, I mean, we're talking about 200%

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increase. I don't want to pass that on
to everybody. I do think it's fair to

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give it to the person who's renting the
venue rather than tax every citizen a

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few bucks.
>> Thanks, Deputy Mayor.

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» Welcome. Anybody else?
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to
>> prepare an audience for this to be go

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forward because I do believe we need to
increase the prices.

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» Anybody else?
>> I'm good with it.

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» All right. Is that a second?
>> Is that a second? Tim.

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» All in favor?
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» All righty. Next. The request to post
signs on township property for the Fork

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River Fire Company's Ride Through the
Pines fundraiser.

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» The Fork River Fire Company is seeking
permission to post a 4x6 um sign at the

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community development property, which is
124 South Main Street. And this is to

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promote the annual motorcycle ride
through the Pines fundraising event. Uh,

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the event is September 27th at 10 a.m.
and the rain day is October 11th also.

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That would be at 10:00 a.m.
>> Move it.

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» All in favor?
>> Irighty.

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Requested for the use of Jones Roadfield
for a private event hosted by Ocean

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Residential Community Homes Youth
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» So, the Youth Justice Commission is
asking for permission to use the Jones

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Road Field from October 7th to October
9th. Um they're looking to host a

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private event for their residents and
families um for a resident funfest. The

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event itself would be on October 8th. Um
but the tent setup and breakdown would

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be the day prior and the day after. So
they're asking for 3-day use of the um

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» Anybody got any comments or
>> Well, I I have I have a question before

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we go any further. We've we've Have we
ever done this before?

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» They've never they've never asked the
the justice uh commission.

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» This is their first time doing this
event.

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» Okay. this. So, they're just trying to,
you know, encourage the families to get

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together um with the the residents at
that facility, you know, and encourage a

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family day. It's not a community public
event.

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» That's what I wanted to know. It's not
community.

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» It's right in their backyard, so to
speak. Um because some of these, you

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know, they don't want to take them off
site, you know, um so they thought it

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was better to do that.
>> All right. Is this in conjunction with

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the facility that's behind it?
>> Yeah. Where where Ocean Fields is. Yes.

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» Okay. Motion to approve or deny.
>> Move it. Move. Second.

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» To approve.
>> To approve.

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» Approve.
>> All in favor?

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» I.
>> All right.

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Special use permit for the VFW
historical event on September 13th,

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2026.
>> The VFW is hosting a historical event

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for General John Lacy. It would be on
September 13th from 9:00 a.m. to 400

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p.m. The event is rain or shine, and the
event will include uh vendors, a food

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truck, music, pony rides, a children's
musket drill, his story um history

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lectures and films, and um a couple
other historical I think there's a a

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musket drill um for children, and
another uh event for children to

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particip.
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» they have the county um involved in it.
the county Tim Hart in the county

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historical society. They have a Liz
McGrath. They've been talking to the

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Lacy Historical Society. They have some
reenactments going on, glass blowing,

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all of those types of things. There is a
fee for adults and children to get in,

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but it's very family oriented and it
look they have a gentleman coming in I

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think from Pennsylvania to be General
John Lacy uh to do some reactive work.

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» Okay.
>> Second.

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» All in favor?
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further business. Motion to
>> Okay. Motion journ caucus meeting.

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» Move into the regular meeting.
>> All in favor?

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» I.
>> Okay. Township of Lacy Township meeting

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August 13, 2026. Adequate notice of this
meeting has been given in accordance

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with the open public meetings act
pursuant to public laws of 1975.

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Said notice was advertised in the
Espbury Park Press and the Beacons and

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was posted on the bulletin board showing
the time and place of the meeting.

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Okay, we got first reading of ordinance
2026-14

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amending chapter 165 entitled docks.
>> Ordinance of the township of Lacy County

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of Ocean State of New Jersey amending
and supplementing chapter 165 of the

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township code of the township of Lacy
entitled docks. This um ordinance is to

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amend some of the language so that the
code book matches the um lease agreement

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and the application that um we give to
residents.

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» Move it.
>> Second.

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» Second,
>> Mrs. Juliano. Yes,

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» Mr. Keratollo.
>> Yes,

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» Mr. McDonald.
>> Yes.

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» Uh, Mr. Laay.
>> Yes. And I'm glad to see this uh

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ordinance tightened up. First reading
ordinance 2615 amending chapter 335

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entitled zoning.
>> Ordinance of the township of Lacy County

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of Ocean State of New Jersey amending
and supplementing chapter 335 of the

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township code of the township of Lacy
>> entitled zoning so as to revise the

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regulations pertaining to fences. Um
this is to um revise the regulations

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pertaining to fences. Specifically to
clarify that fences don't include trees,

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plantings or other ve vegetative
materials um by deleting the term

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screens or planted in various sections
of the existing ordinance.

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» Move it.
>> Mrs. Juliano,

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» yes.
>> Mr. McDonald,

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» yes.
>> Mr. Herito,

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» yes.
>> Mr. La,

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» yes.

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Okay.
Second reading ordinance 2026-13

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setting salaries for non-bargaining
employees.

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» Ordinance of the Township of Lacy County
of Ocean State of New Jersey amending an

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ordinance entitled an ordinance of the
township of Lacy County of Ocean State

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of New Jersey affixing and determining
the salaries, wages and compensation of

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the officers, employees and members of
the governing body of the township. This

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is for um the non-bargaining employees
and this is second reading. So open the

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floor to public comment.
Seeing none.

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» Seeing none motion to close the floor.
>> Second.

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» Second.
>> Okay. All in favor? I

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» motion on the ordinance.
>> Move it.

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» Second.
>> Mr. Kerato.

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» Yes.
>> Mr. McDonald.

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» Yes.
>> Mrs. Juliano.

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» Yes.
>> Mr. Lret.

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» Yes. Resolution
2026-250

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urging for state legislation
requiring the state to reimburse

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municipalities
for the 100 dis 100% disabled veterans

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property tax exemption
>> resolution of the township of Lacy

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County of Ocean State of New Jersey
urging the New Jersey legislature and

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governor to enact legislation requiring
the state of New Jersey to fully

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reimburse municipalities for the cost of
the 100% disabled veterans property tax

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exemption.
Move it.

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» Second.
>> Second.

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» Mr. Kerata.
>> Yes.

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» Mrs. Juliano.
>> Yes.

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» Mr. McDonald.
>> Yes.

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» Let me just say something. This is This
is something I don't think people

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realize. We're not against veterans in
any way, shape, or form.

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» What we are against is that the state is
demanding that we do this. And I believe

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last year this cost us $1.5 million.
Okay. We're not against veterans in any

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way, shape, or form, particularly those
that are disabled. The state wants to

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mandate this. Reimburse us that. That's
the only fair way.

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» Yes. If I could, Mayor, and I'm glad Mr.
McDonald spoke up. There's Listen, Mr.

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McDonald's, we all have military people
or veterans in our family, most of us.

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» This is another unfunded mandate. And
this meeting alone, unless I'm mistaken,

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and administrator Lar will uh correct
me, I think there was $68,000 worth of

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veteran exemptions, 100% disabled just
in this meeting alone. This this a

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regular pedestrian meeting in um and
they're all important meetings, but this

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is just one meeting out of this whole
year. So, and look, we love our

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veterans. If the state makes us do this,
they can't keep handing down unfunded

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mandates and then tell us how to do
everything, how to run everything, what

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we're allowed to do with our land, what
we have to close during CO. Come and

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give us the money. You want us to do it,
come and give us the money so we can

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support these veterans. That's all.
Thank you.

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» You're welcome. Anybody else?
>> Yeah. So, basically, so everybody's real

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clear. It's nice and simple. We're just
asking the state to reimburse the money

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for the people that we support. We
support the programs, but in simple

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terms, it's just we would like the money
back so that it doesn't fall in the laps

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of everybody else in our community.
>> The reimbursement for the $250 senior

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tax deduction that seniors can get and
the $250 veterans deductions that they

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get, the state does reimburse us for
that. Of course, they take the smallest

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one out of the pot,
>> right?

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» And I got and I probably should vote
yes.

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» Thank you.
>> You should.

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All righty. Resolution 2026
251 supporting the designation of the

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Malikica River and his tributaries as
components of the National Wild and

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Scenic River System.
>> Resolution of the Township of Lacy

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County of Ocean State of New Jersey
supporting the designation of the Mica

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River and its tributaries as components
of the National Wild and Scenic River

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Systems.
>> Move it. Second,

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» Mrs. Juliano. Yes.
>> Mr. McDonald. Yes.

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» Mr. Cerutoo.
>> Yes.

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» Mr. La.
>> Yes. And this is just another thing that

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uh helps uh keep our wildlife and and
rivers uh protected.

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» Resolution 26 2026 252 approving the
fourth round rehabilitation program

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manual.
>> Resolution of the township of Lacy

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County of Ocean State of New Jersey
approving the fourth round

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rehabilitation program manual.
>> Move.

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» Second.
>> Mr. McDonald.

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» Yes.
>> Mrs. Juliano.

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» Yes.
>> Mr. Cerutoo.

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» Yes. Mr. La.
>> Yes.

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Resolution 2026 253 authorizing the
filing of an application with the Ocean

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County Community Block Grant Committee.
Move

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» resolution of the township of Lacy
County of Ocean State of New Jersey

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authorizing the filing of an application
with the Ocean County Community Block

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Grant Committee for various projects
related to handicap accessibility

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improvements.
>> Move. Second.

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» Mr. McDonald.
>> Yes.

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» Mr. Curuto.
>> Yes.

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» Mrs. Miss Juliano.
>> Yes.

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» Mr. Laay.
>> Yes. Resolution 2026 253 authorized

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Oops, that's the same one. Resolution
2026 254 authorizing the execution of

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amendment with CJ Hess Inc. for the
Hayne Street Improvement Project.

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» Resolution of the Township of Lacy
County of Ocean State of New Jersey

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authorizing the execution of an
amendment to the contract with CJ Hus

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for the Hane Street Road Improvement
Project.

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» Move it.
>> Second.

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» Mr. McDonald. Yes,
>> Mr. Kerutoo.

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» Yes,
>> Mrs. Juliano.

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» Yes,
>> Mr. Laay.

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» Yes.
>> Resolution 2026 255 appointing a

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full-time account clerk in the finance
department.

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» Resolution of the township of Lacy
County of Ocean State of New Jersey

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appointing Thailand Demato to the
position of full-time account clerk in

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the finance office for the township of
Lacy.

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» Move it.
>> Second.

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» Mrs. Juliano.
>> Yes.

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» Mr. Certo.
>> Yes.

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» Mr. McDonald.
>> Yes.

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» Mr. Laay.
>> Yes. Resolution 2026 256 authorizing the

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employment of a seasonal employee of the
department of public works.

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» Resolution of the township of Lacy
County of Ocean State of New Jersey

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authorizing the employment of a seasonal
employee for the Department of Public

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Works.
>> Second,

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» Mr. McDonald.
>> Yes.

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» Mr. Certolo.
>> Yes.

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» Mrs. Juliano.
>> Yes.

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» Mr. La.
>> Yes. Resolution

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2026 257 authorizing the assignment of a
tax sale certificate.

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» Resolution of the township of Lacy
County of Ocean State of New Jersey

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authorizing the assignment of tax sale
certificate

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um 2011-0478.

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» Move it.
>> Second.

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» Mrs. Juliano,
>> yes.

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» Mr. McDonald,
>> yes.

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» Mr. Curuto,
>> yes.

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» Mr. Laay,
>> yes. Resolution 2026 258 authorizing the

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tax collector to cancel taxes due to dis
disabled veterans tax exemption.

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» Resolution of the township of Lacy
County of Ocean, State of New Jersey,

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authorizing the tax collector to cancel
2026 taxes due on a prop on properties

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granted the 100% disabled veteran
exemption and refund the resulting

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credit balance.
>> Move it.

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» Move it. Second,
>> Mrs. Juliano.

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» Yes.
>> Mr. McDonald.

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» Yes.
>> Mr. Cutollo.

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» Yes.
>> Mr. La.

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» Yes. Resolution

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2026 259 authorizing the placement of a
lean on block 1272 lot 30.

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» Resolution of the township of Lacy
County of Ocean State of New Jersey

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accepting the certification of the
director of public works concerning

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costs incurred in the removal of debris
and the cleaning up of the property

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located at block 1272 lot 30 and
authorizing the placement of a lean

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against said property for said costs.
>> Move to second. Mr. Keratollo,

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» yes.
>> Mr. McDonald,

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» yes.
>> Mrs. Juliano,

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» yes.
>> Mr. Laorray,

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» yes.
>> Resolution 2026 260 authorizing a

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release of a performance bond.
>> Resolution of the township of Lacy

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County of Ocean State of New Jersey
authorizing the release of a performance

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bond for White Oaks at Lacy Grocery
Portion Project.

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» Move it.
>> Second,

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» Mr. McDonald.
>> Yes.

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» Mr. Certo,
>> yes.

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» Mrs. Juliano,
>> yes.

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» Mr. Laray,
>> yes. Resolution 2026261

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authorizing a refund of deposit monies.
>> Resolution of the township of Lacy

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County of Ocean State of New Jersey
authorizing the refund of deposits held

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for the use of municipal facilities.
>> Move it.

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» Second.
>> Mrs. Gulino.

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» Yes.
>> Mr. Futoo.

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» Yes.
>> Mr. McDonald.

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» Yes.
>> Mr. Laay.

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» Yes. Resolution 2026 262 authorizing the
payment of township bills. Resolution of

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the township of Lacy County of Ocean
State of New Jersey authorizing the

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payment of township bills. Move.
>> Second.

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» Mr. McDonald.
>> Yes.

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» Mrs. Juliano.
>> Yes.

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» Mr. Kerto.
>> Yes.

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» Mr. Laay.
>> Yes. Next is monthly reports.

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» Sorry.
>> Okay. For the month of July, the

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municipal clerk's office collected
receipts in the amount of $10,397.50.

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Uh road opening permits for the month of
July were collected in the amount of

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$4,320.
Recycling commodity was collected in the

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amount of $1,317.50.
Truck parking was collected in the

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amount of $100. And boat slips were
connect collected in the amount of $390.

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The municipal court for the month of
June collected receipts in the amount of

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$17,4242

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and the department of community
development for the month of July

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collected receipts in the amount of
$71,19.

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Motion to accept the reports is read.
Second. All in

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» favor? I
>> I.

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» Motion to approve the caucus meet
meeting minutes of July 9th, 2026.

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» Second.
>> All in favor?

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» I.
>> Motion to approve the township meeting

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minutes of July 9th, 2026.
>> Move it.

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» Second.
>> All in favor?

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» I.
>> Motion to approve executive session

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meeting of July 9th, 2026.
>> Move it.

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» Second.
>> All in favor? I

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» motion to approve the caucus minute
meetings of July 30th, 2026.

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» Move it.
>> Second.

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» All in favor?
>> I

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» motion to approve the executive session
meetings minutes of July 30th, 2026.

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» Move it. Second.
>> All in favor?

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» I.
>> Okay. Motion to approve membership in

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the Fork River Volunteer Fire Company
for Drew Douglas Robertson.

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» Move it.
>> Second.

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» All in favor? I
>> and congratulations and thank you to

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Drew.
>> All righty. Any addons?

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» No add-ons.
>> Could I ask one question?

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» Sure.
>> The board up here direct um

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» people's attention to resolution
2026-254.

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I'm looking at the third whereas where
it says uh this will result in a

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decrease of the original contract price
by 30,36188.

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Then you move down towards the bottom of
the page and it says it'll provide an

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increase to the original contract price
of the same number. So was that a typo?

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» Typo.
>> It's a typo.

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» It's supposed to be an increase if I'm
not mistaken because it was for

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additional drainage work. Am I right,
Amy?

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» Correct.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

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» Okay. So it's for probably the the
template that we pulled up, the last one

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was probably a decrease and it probably
forgot, but yes, it is an increase due

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to the additional drainage work that
needed to be done on Main Street with

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the crossing of the one pipe
>> and I apologize for not bringing that up

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earlier like days ago, but thank you for
the clarification.

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» I just noticed it now.
>> All right, there is no add-ons. Okay, we

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got comments from the public and from
the committee.

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» Excuse me. Yes,
>> I need to change my vote on the campaign

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of the township. I have to abstain on
T0035

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to follow.

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» All right. Comments from the elected
officials and members of the audience

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are invited at this time.

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» Please uh just state your name and
address.

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» Sure. My name is Joe Lamb. I live in
Brick. I've got a granddaughter that

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lives here in town on Alpine. I've got a
sister that lives in town and um her son

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got the Army Commenation Medal for
fighting in Afghanistan. He went to the

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school system here. I'm a vet Marine
veteran myself. But anyway, what I'm

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want to talk about is that, you know,
you're proposing at this YMCA center for

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the 41.5 million dollars and the people
in this town have been hit with with

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plenty of taxes over the last couple
years. Just over the last three years,

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the municipal taxes have been 16% and
you use $6 million of the surplus in

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order to get it down there. For every
million dollars of surplus that you

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used, if you hadn't used it, it would
have raised it by another 3%. You only

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have 6.7 million left for next year. And
the thing about is everything running

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equal, that 7.7 is going to be gone.
whether you divide up the six million

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over next year and reduce it with three
million or and three million thereafter.

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After that, you're going to be raising
the municipal tax rate 20%. Uh the

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county taxes the county over the last
five years have raised our county taxes

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49.3%
practically 10% a year. And and it and

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the thing about it is that they say that
they kept the tax rate stable. They put

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it in the Asbury Park Press. That's how
they write it up. But as you know,

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they're dealing with 33 towns in this
county. And to keep things fair, they

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use the present value of the properties,
not when you assessed it. All of the 33

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towns used that assessment that was
done. And so you can't claim that when

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you have your taxes. They used the $40
million to reduce it and they only have

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40 million left. If they use use that
next year, all of it or again how they

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divide it up, it could be because
they're already hitting us with 9.3%

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this year. If they didn't reduce that 40
million surplus, it would have been in

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the neighborhood of 17% increase. And so
looking at next year, if they keep

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everything the same, it's going to be a
12% increase. And after that, then we're

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going to be running into another 20%
county tax rate increase. So we should

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have ne you should have never thought
about having this u project going

431
00:28:07,279 --> 00:28:14,799
through. If the YMCA thinks that it's
viable, then they should take it on.

432
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:19,600
That's what they do. Not the town. the
town shouldn't be involved with that at

433
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:23,279
all. You're boosting people's taxes on
top of everything they're being hit

434
00:28:21,120 --> 00:28:28,799
with. And from what I understand from
talking to my relatives, they said the

435
00:28:25,679 --> 00:28:34,799
school taxes raised 27% over the last 3
years. They're choking on taxes and they

436
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:40,640
need help and this should never have
gone through. So, I really hope you

437
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:45,039
take, you know, uh, you know, I I told
my relatives I was going to do this

438
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:50,159
hopefully as a public message that
people vote it down because like I said,

439
00:28:47,279 --> 00:28:53,039
it's just too much on all of them. And,
you know, getting back to it, you know,

440
00:28:51,679 --> 00:28:58,960
and I understand what you're talking
about with veterans. My father landed at

441
00:28:55,600 --> 00:29:03,600
D-Day. I I've they've been in my as a
Marine veteran of Vietnam, I did two

442
00:29:00,799 --> 00:29:07,919
tours, 68 and 69. They've been in my
heart eight times. I'm dealing with all

443
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:13,039
kinds of stuff, but you know, this is
you got to look at what the people are

444
00:29:10,159 --> 00:29:16,960
dealing with in this town and and really
this county. So, I just hope you keep

445
00:29:15,279 --> 00:29:18,159
that in mind. I really appreciate your
time today.

446
00:29:17,679 --> 00:29:22,520
» Thank you.
>> Thank you very much.

447
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,520
» Thank you for your time, SIR.

448
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:32,360
» YES. Thank you for your comments, uh,
Steve.

449
00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:55,520
Steve Borl, Forker River, New Jersey.
I represent the taxpayers that are 100%

450
00:29:53,039 --> 00:30:02,159
opposed to the YMCA.
Keeping in mind, our township is $32

451
00:29:58,559 --> 00:30:08,559
million in debt currently and growing.
As Mr. Kenneth always tells me, taxes

452
00:30:05,279 --> 00:30:12,559
are always going to go up. So, get be be
like, "That's the way it is." But it's

453
00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:18,960
not.
What I want to know, I've researched

454
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:26,399
this YMCA thing for over a month now.
I've yet to find any nonprofit

455
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:34,320
of the YMCA or any other one that got
free land, a free building

456
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:41,360
paid by township taxes, and we got to
pay a membership fee, too. They're not a

457
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:48,960
nonprofit. They're a self profit. They
have administrators and a CEO all

458
00:30:45,279 --> 00:30:53,200
enjoying sixdigit salaries. I wish I
knew that when we did have a few of them

459
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:58,799
here so I could have cornered them at
this meeting when they came up to talk.

460
00:30:55,840 --> 00:31:04,720
A nonprofit is something that's done for
free. Just like they say with their

461
00:31:02,080 --> 00:31:09,360
literature, which is untrue, that the
money gets recirculated back to that

462
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:15,200
facility.
Maybe some of it does, but a lot of it

463
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:20,640
goes to pay for the benefits. Benefits
that none of us that I've ever in my

464
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:27,360
career, and I spent a lot of time
looking at a lot of different things, no

465
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:32,320
one in my career ever got a free 12% of
their base salary put into their

466
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:39,840
retirement account.
They are selfserving the organization.

467
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:49,760
And you know what? I want to offer my
services to renegotiate that YMCA

468
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:55,919
contract because you all you all got
your underwear pulled over your head and

469
00:31:53,279 --> 00:32:03,200
agreed to things that no one on earth
would agree to. There is no way that any

470
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:10,880
any organization
should get a free building, free land,

471
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:18,080
and enjoy all the perks. And we also got
to administrate it. We also got to fix

472
00:32:13,519 --> 00:32:23,120
it. And it is very untruthful
the way you guys worded that that

473
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:29,840
non-binding referendum.
As I suggested last meeting, the $45

474
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:34,960
million is the initial
initial payment.

475
00:32:32,399 --> 00:32:40,320
There is much more money beyond that
initial payment. The mortgage, the

476
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:44,080
upkeep. I don't know how many of you all
got a swimming pool, but I got a

477
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:47,120
swimming pool and it costs a lot of
money to keep that thing running every

478
00:32:45,679 --> 00:32:54,480
year.
You guys are trying to fool us and it's

479
00:32:50,559 --> 00:33:00,159
a disrespect to our intelligence.
I'm also here to complain about the

480
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:06,880
$164,000
that the township Oh, don't worry. It

481
00:33:03,279 --> 00:33:11,600
came from the opioid front cont uh fund.
Oh, it came from the land use fund. I

482
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:18,240
don't care where it came from. That
money is still our tax money and you

483
00:33:14,399 --> 00:33:22,960
diverted it. I don't know, legally
diverted it from people that might have

484
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:29,440
needed that money that are fighting an
opioid crisis. I don't know enough about

485
00:33:25,840 --> 00:33:36,000
the land use what that is, but I'm going
to find out.

486
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:44,399
And I also asked that this $164,000
we paid that company $92,000

487
00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:52,480
to draw pictures to make posters that
technically if not illegal, they're

488
00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:56,720
unethical because you put the township
slogan

489
00:33:54,159 --> 00:34:03,200
on them things. They should not be put
on them posters until after

490
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:08,480
it gets approved. Not before. You're
using our tax money against us again

491
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:13,760
with those posters.
>> That's right.

492
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:17,760
» And I still want to know
each one of those companies should have

493
00:34:15,280 --> 00:34:23,839
had someone front and center explaining
all them thousands of dollars that were

494
00:34:20,240 --> 00:34:28,720
spent. And it's all tax money. Whether
you got it from the opioid account, the

495
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:34,000
land use account, the outer space
account, doesn't matter. It is still tax

496
00:34:32,240 --> 00:34:39,599
money.
And again, I'll offer my services

497
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:47,560
to renegotiate
the YMC contract because you all don't

498
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,560
know what you're doing.

499
00:34:53,359 --> 00:35:00,960
How y'all doing? Uh Brett Murphy, Fork
River. Two questions before I get

500
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:03,680
started. Do you guys choose where you
sit?

501
00:35:02,240 --> 00:35:07,680
» Do Do we choose?
>> Just It happened to be funny because

502
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:11,040
you're all based on height.
>> It's assigned in January. So,

503
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:15,280
» yeah, that's why usually I'm down that
end because I got the seat pumped up.

504
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:18,160
» Fair enough. Uh something I ask most of
my clients just one out of five, how

505
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:21,359
you're feeling today. just kind of have
an understanding of who I'm talking to

506
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:23,440
and how you're feeling. So, how you
feeling today? Five being the best, one

507
00:35:22,720 --> 00:35:25,839
being the worst.
>> Okay.

508
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,200
» One out of five.
>> You said one to five.

509
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:31,119
» Sorry.
>> Can you speak, please?

510
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:34,640
» Four. Sorry.
>> How you feeling?

511
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:40,320
» Fortunate to be alive with air in my
lungs. Standing upright. Great.

512
00:35:37,040 --> 00:35:43,359
» Mr. Connors,
>> what was it?

513
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:48,400
» How you feeling?
>> Not playing games.

514
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:51,040
» What's the point of this? Just a
question.

515
00:35:49,119 --> 00:35:52,079
» Just want to know.
>> My turn.

516
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:54,640
» Yeah.
>> Five.

517
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:59,839
» Cool. Because I'll tell you what, I'm
happy to be here talking to you guys. I

518
00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:03,599
appreciate your comments, their comments
all the time.

519
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,680
» It's an honor to be sitting here. Not
all going to agree, but

520
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:09,599
» yeah.
>> And I'm still breathing yourself

521
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:14,720
» five all the time.
>> Okay. Uh, so what I want to know is do

522
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:20,000
you think data centers are good for this
town? Well, I think what a good first

523
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:24,000
» data centers.
>> Oh, I can I can tell you right that I

524
00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:26,079
mean
>> I don't like the premise of them at all.

525
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:29,200
» Okay.
>> Oh, with that said, can

526
00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:32,480
» I I will say something.
>> Mhm.

527
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:35,119
» Data centers is something that and I
don't know if you have been at some

528
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:38,720
previous meetings or watched them.
>> Yeah.

529
00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:44,400
» This has blown up because of social
media like most stuff does. One, data

530
00:36:41,839 --> 00:36:51,520
centers are not an approved use in this
town. Number one. Number two, the mayor

531
00:36:48,720 --> 00:36:58,000
at a courtesy let the public know that
he was invited to a meeting of mayors

532
00:36:55,839 --> 00:37:02,079
who have property in the Pelands.
>> Mhm.

533
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:07,359
» On a Zoom meeting regarding
data centers. He was only took time of

534
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:12,560
his day was only one of three mayors out
of this whole state that went and that's

535
00:37:09,359 --> 00:37:20,320
all he was letting the public know. Um,
and it's basically a resolution

536
00:37:15,200 --> 00:37:24,880
uh being uh proposed of restricting no
data centers in the Pineelands. It's as

537
00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:32,720
simple as that. There's no talk of data
centers at this end. Uh

538
00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:36,880
that that's all it was. And
you know, he was he's trying to be

539
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:41,599
upfront about them. And even though you
know the power plant keeps coming up,

540
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:44,960
the power plant is nowhere's near being
redeveloped. We're talking 6 to 8 years

541
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:50,560
away.
>> And even if something was to go there,

542
00:37:48,160 --> 00:37:55,680
remember data centers are not an
approved

543
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:59,200
use in this town. Myself,
I don't like the premise of them at all,

544
00:37:57,359 --> 00:38:03,359
but I'm just speaking for myself.
restio.

545
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:08,560
» Okay, first of all, let me just say the
Ptech came out and said that the small

546
00:38:05,599 --> 00:38:14,320
modular reactors won't be ready until 20
36. So that's 10 years away. Nothing is

547
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:17,040
going in there until the small nuclear
reactors are put in place.

548
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:21,680
» Okay.
>> Okay. So that's 10 years away. Who knows

549
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:26,960
what the technology is going to be?
However, what I have said from day one,

550
00:38:24,240 --> 00:38:31,920
they need to be self-contained. status.
They have it's like a freon type liquid

551
00:38:29,839 --> 00:38:35,760
that they use now in the newer ones to
cool it so they're not drawing water.

552
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:38,960
And the other one is they need to build
their own power supply. If they get

553
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:44,240
enough power and they need to sell it
back to the grid, so be it. I would vote

554
00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:50,640
for something like that. But if they're
going to draw water or they're going to

555
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:55,359
use our electricity, no.
>> I'm in an agreement with Mr. McDonald.

556
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:59,440
But I I will tell you this,
and I I don't think they're ever going

557
00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:02,640
to happen here, and I don't think
there's the political support for it

558
00:39:01,119 --> 00:39:07,440
ever to happen here. And the deputy
mayor said it's not an approved use. But

559
00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:11,440
I will tell you this, a lot of people
are here today because of the cost and

560
00:39:09,200 --> 00:39:15,760
taxes. We got guys in the back that are
are public servants and and so on and so

561
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:20,160
forth. There's a lot of needs. We got
part of our town with roads that are

562
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:26,160
underwater every time it drizzles. A lot
of needs. So, I'll tell you this.

563
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:33,599
If there were a data center in somewhere
in the south part of town across Route 9

564
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:38,640
near or around the uh industrial park,
you wouldn't see it, know it was there,

565
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:43,280
you wouldn't smell it, and you wouldn't
hear it, and it wouldn't bother a single

566
00:39:40,880 --> 00:39:48,720
single family home in this town. But
what it would do is that anyone up here

567
00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:52,480
would drill down on a community host
benefit agreement. And in Pennsylvania,

568
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:58,560
in one town, what that looked like was
3,400 a kid for schools. And we have

569
00:39:56,000 --> 00:40:03,599
schools with serious problems. So when
guys like you, no offense, come up and

570
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:09,280
you don't like one ounce of what we do
when we develop. No one wanted and

571
00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:13,599
initially a Walmart. No one wanted
everyone had to go to Tom River to buy a

572
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:16,640
nail or a hammer. There was no there was
no Home Depot.

573
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:20,240
» There's no hardware store. years years
ago. Well, generally speaking, now

574
00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:26,640
there's the amount of services we have
here are are just far and above. And

575
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:29,920
when you look at our Route 9 corridor, I
always say this, it looks better than

576
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:34,880
our neighbors. No offense against our
neighbors to the north and to the south,

577
00:40:31,599 --> 00:40:39,040
ours looks great. It's planned well. Is
it perfect? No, it's not perfect. But

578
00:40:36,800 --> 00:40:46,480
between Mr. McDonald, Mr. Canis uh
deputy mayor um Laray

579
00:40:42,240 --> 00:40:49,920
there's a little over 150 years of land
use and then we have a former

580
00:40:47,839 --> 00:40:54,400
commissioner with another 40 years who
serves on our land use board. So yeah,

581
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:58,880
sometimes, you know, when people come up
here and they say no, no, never, never,

582
00:40:55,920 --> 00:41:02,400
never. I say have I'm not saying I'm
going to be for data centers, but I'm

583
00:41:00,319 --> 00:41:06,800
saying we listen, we're Americans. We're
the greatest people on earth. The

584
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:12,319
greatest gift to this planet is being an
American citizen. We put somebody on the

585
00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:16,800
moon 58 years ago, right? So there's no
way we can't do something like that. If

586
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:21,119
it if our backs were against the wall,
we could do it. Am I going to vote for

587
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:24,319
it? No. Isn't it an approved use? No.
But I want to keep money in your pocket.

588
00:41:23,359 --> 00:41:28,000
Everybody's going to come up here
tonight and talk about the YMCA. I want

589
00:41:26,319 --> 00:41:35,280
to take care of the cops and the firemen
in the back. And you have to bend a

590
00:41:31,839 --> 00:41:40,160
little bit sometimes to get money back
in the coffers. Okay. The technolog is

591
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:44,720
there. We're second to none. People talk
they want about China, Germany,

592
00:41:41,839 --> 00:41:48,000
Switzerland. Money in my money in my
pockets on our It's American

593
00:41:46,240 --> 00:41:52,960
exceptionalism. I know we know how to do
it because we're the greatest there is.

594
00:41:50,079 --> 00:41:56,640
No one even comes close. So, I'm getting
a little off on a tangent. It's not

595
00:41:54,800 --> 00:42:00,000
going to happen. But if it was in that
if it was down there in south part of

596
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:03,520
town on the other side of Route 9, you
drive up and down Route 9, you'd never

597
00:42:01,599 --> 00:42:07,440
even know it was there. Thank you,
Mayor.

598
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:11,440
» We honestly, this conversation had never
come up. It was simply what our mayor

599
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:17,520
had gone to a meeting and was just
advising. We had no conversations

600
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:21,760
on my life about the data center. So it
wasn't a conversation that we've even

601
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:27,839
had to talk about because it's not
anything that was on our agenda to put

602
00:42:25,359 --> 00:42:30,800
through. So at no point are we looking
for a data center.

603
00:42:29,040 --> 00:42:34,319
» But have you discussed it since?
>> No. No one approached us. I didn't mean

604
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:38,560
to co-op the floor for my
>> No. No. You're fine. No one no one has

605
00:42:36,640 --> 00:42:41,599
there's been no conversation about this
because it's not on our agenda. We

606
00:42:40,319 --> 00:42:45,839
haven't looked into it. We haven't
decided this is something we should have

607
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:51,200
down the line. It's not been on our
agenda. So Can we commit to a ban on it?

608
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:56,079
» And I mean,
>> there's things we're looking at as we

609
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:59,760
move on. This is so far off. Yes. If we
all decide on a band and everything

610
00:42:58,079 --> 00:43:05,200
because even when this came up the first
night that that uh the mayor brought it

611
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:09,119
up, I personally myself said I don't
like the idea of it.

612
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:12,800
» I mean, my you know, people get tired of
hearing it, but my family's been here

613
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:16,880
since 1938. to your point. So the issue
is if we're not ahead of it, it gets to

614
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:20,400
us before we can stop it.
>> You're you're exactly right,

615
00:43:18,640 --> 00:43:24,319
» but we're so far ahead of it, it's not
even a discussion.

616
00:43:22,319 --> 00:43:27,440
» Okay. We got a lot of lot of other
things.

617
00:43:26,000 --> 00:43:32,560
» The public is starting to make it a
discussion. My but I want to tell my

618
00:43:30,079 --> 00:43:35,599
feelings are I don't ever want to see
one here. Okay.

619
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:40,240
» Okay. Because I live in this community
because it's not industrial. So, so to

620
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,720
have to give you an interesting fact
though, just so sorry to interrupt you,

621
00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:47,200
sir,
>> but even if we banned it, I'm just going

622
00:43:45,119 --> 00:43:51,680
to let you know like everything else in
this lovely state of New Jersey,

623
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:53,920
» they can still come in and
>> push it for us.

624
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:57,119
» That can be said about anything. And
actually, committing to a ban would tell

625
00:43:55,839 --> 00:43:59,359
us that you're with us on it,
>> right?

626
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:03,119
» Well, but but we weren't on we weren't
with we weren't against you before it.

627
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:06,400
It's already banned
out in the Pineelands.

628
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:10,880
» Yes, we're not talking about Pineland.
It's banned here too, right now,

629
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:15,520
» unless we change something. If we were
all of a sudden to go, but we're not

630
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:20,000
going to. It's not an allowed use now.
Nowhere's in town. So, you don't have to

631
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:23,280
put anything in the code book to say
what's in the code book when you read

632
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:27,520
the zoning descriptions as to what's
allowed are the allowed uses. Nowhere's

633
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:30,560
in the code book does it say data
centers are an allowed use

634
00:44:29,040 --> 00:44:33,200
» unless you decide to change it.
>> Well, this is

635
00:44:31,599 --> 00:44:37,280
» right. And then you would have a voice
during the time that that ordinance is

636
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:41,839
introduced at sec I mean uh second
reading adoption to and planning board

637
00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:44,400
also has to weigh in on a change on
zoning

638
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:49,040
» before we can have a final adoption.
>> Let me just say this I would be against

639
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:53,839
any prohibitions of of that
redevelopment property down there the

640
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:58,800
power any right now. That's the main
going to be the main driving force of

641
00:44:55,440 --> 00:45:03,680
the economy in Lacy Township going going
going forward because of the the four

642
00:45:01,040 --> 00:45:08,400
small modular reactors going in. That's
about a thousand employees, a lot of

643
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:12,640
money coming in. So you want us to touch
something and prohibit something that we

644
00:45:11,280 --> 00:45:18,079
don't even know what the technology is
going to be like in 10 years that could

645
00:45:14,640 --> 00:45:23,040
actually hurt Lacy Township. No, let it
be as it is. Let you just shook your

646
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:27,359
head. Why do you say that? Because what
you're the the rate at which they're

647
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,560
being built is outpacing anybody's
ability.

648
00:45:27,680 --> 00:45:30,560
» Do you know how many do you know how
many data centers in the state of New

649
00:45:29,839 --> 00:45:34,640
Jersey today
>> as of right now? Six.

650
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:38,480
» How many?
>> Damn.

651
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:42,480
» No. How about 714?
714 D in the state of New Jersey right

652
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:44,079
now. And by the way,
>> server farms or data centers?

653
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:46,240
» What?
>> Server farms or data centers?

654
00:45:45,599 --> 00:45:47,520
» AI data centers.
>> Data centers.

655
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:50,480
» AI data center.
>> Every research university has a data

656
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,520
center
>> by far. AI data centers.

657
00:45:52,319 --> 00:45:58,000
» Yes, that's the one we're worried about.
>> Now, let me finish it. The the the phone

658
00:45:55,599 --> 00:46:02,400
call that our mayor was on was for West
of the Parkway, which is in the pine

659
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:07,920
lane. Yes. As we have said, why would we
change something that would hurt Lacy

660
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:10,640
could possibly hurt Lacy Township?
>> Money.

661
00:46:09,200 --> 00:46:13,839
» What do you mean? We're not If we change
it where they can't do anything, we're

662
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:16,560
not going to get any money for that.
>> If you allow a data center to be built

663
00:46:15,599 --> 00:46:18,240
here, the idea is that you're going to
get money.

664
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:22,160
» Right now, they can't be built
>> right now. That's the issue. We're

665
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,079
looking for a commitment on a ban.
>> Do you know what the future's going to

666
00:46:23,200 --> 00:46:28,000
hold?
>> I want I don't want to bet that you guys

667
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:32,319
won't do anything. Some of you aren't
here to stop it.

668
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:36,480
» Can I let me let me just say
>> under the present state of law in the

669
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:38,560
state of New Jersey unless something is
>> yes

670
00:46:36,880 --> 00:46:43,440
» permitted is prohibited.
>> So as it stands the state of law in the

671
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:47,760
state in the township of Lacy is that
data centers are not permitted.

672
00:46:45,520 --> 00:46:51,200
Therefore they're per prohibited. So, as
you're stating,

673
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:55,680
» they can enact a ban. Okay? They can
specify that they're not permitted,

674
00:46:53,599 --> 00:47:00,000
which they don't have to do. That
language would be superolous because

675
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:05,839
they're already not permitted. It would
not stop an applicant for filing a use

676
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:10,400
variance. No matter how you change the
ordinance, you agree with that, right?

677
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:14,720
» I was asking. So, it can be changed with
the variance. They can apply build.

678
00:47:12,560 --> 00:47:20,880
» They can whether you ban it
>> ultimately for is super It gets whe

679
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:24,640
excuse me sir.
>> I'm not agreeing. I'm not disagreeing

680
00:47:22,240 --> 00:47:26,800
but like looking for
so many we've already

681
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:31,440
» I'm just trying to explain.
>> Of course our zoning won't allow it.

682
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:33,680
» One person at a time Mr. Connor just
>> I'm trying to explain.

683
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:40,640
» I get it.
>> Okay. Whether we change the ordinance or

684
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:44,240
not will not prohibit an applicant for
coming in with a use variance. But it

685
00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:47,359
will tell us whether or not you're
willing to fight with us. If they try to

686
00:47:45,839 --> 00:47:51,599
apply
and regardless,

687
00:47:49,599 --> 00:47:56,319
» it makes no difference.
>> What what you'll have to be what you'll

688
00:47:54,079 --> 00:48:03,200
have to watch for and you need to keep
your eye on the state legislature

689
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:07,520
» because if they make it an inherent use,
then no matter what we do in any

690
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:11,920
municipality in the state of New Jersey,
a person applies for a use fans, they're

691
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:16,800
denied. they'll go to court and under
the doctrine of inherent use they'll

692
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:22,400
probably get their application approved.
So what I'm suggesting is you need to be

693
00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:27,200
standing in more than one place
>> in your quest

694
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:30,800
» to prohibit right and the governing body
I think has made their point. They're

695
00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:35,040
not changing the ordinance to ever allow
it

696
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:36,400
» as of right as as of right now. Peggy,
did you want to add something?

697
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:40,960
» No.
>> Okay. One of the things, and I'm glad

698
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:45,760
I'm seeing younger people coming up here
getting involved and asking questions,

699
00:48:43,359 --> 00:48:51,040
because all of us, and I'm sure you're
already learning, no matter what

700
00:48:47,839 --> 00:48:56,079
decisions are made at the ground roots,
the state and federal government roll

701
00:48:53,359 --> 00:49:02,720
over us like uh steamrollers all the
time. As we know, in government also,

702
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:08,400
money, lobbyists, and power roll over
you. We can do whatever we want. Like

703
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:11,440
Mr. Connor just said, and let me finish
because I know you're ready to say

704
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:16,480
something.
>> The problem is is number one, by the

705
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:19,599
time data centers are sitting here, you
want a commitment out of us.

706
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:22,880
» I can almost tell you,
>> we got to talk to him.

707
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:29,040
» 10 years from now, you're not going to
see any of us up here. Okay? I just

708
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:34,000
turned 70 this week.
No matter what decision I make today,

709
00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:38,400
whoever sits in this seat next can make
whatever decision they want. whether

710
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:42,000
it's you, somebody else, there's a lot
of good people and that's why I want

711
00:49:40,079 --> 00:49:47,760
people, like you said, let's get let's
be proactive, but let's get proactive

712
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:52,079
younger people involved because things
aren't always working the way we need

713
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:56,079
them. Things can be changed constantly.
You've already heard out of my mouth, I

714
00:49:54,160 --> 00:50:02,720
will never support them, no matter where
they are. But Mr. Connor is right. No

715
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:07,520
matter whether we say yes or no at this
point,

716
00:50:04,240 --> 00:50:11,839
the way the law works is they can't
happen right now. And even with the

717
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:17,760
board of adjustment, if they got a comm
or the zoning board for a change of use

718
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:20,160
variance, it depends on who's sitting
there at that time.

719
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:25,200
» Yes.
>> So then of course the public input and

720
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:29,920
everything else. I mean, it's just the
way it works. I know you're looking for

721
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:36,800
a big support thing. I'm telling you, I
sub I support what you're asking, but

722
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:39,680
that's just me. But things can change.
And when we say we haven't had a

723
00:50:38,240 --> 00:50:43,520
tremendous amount of discussion over
this, one of the reasons is there's

724
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:50,319
other things more pressing right now on
the table because this is so far off for

725
00:50:46,240 --> 00:50:55,920
us. Nobody's asked, nobody suggested it.
It all came out of a simple courtesy

726
00:50:53,440 --> 00:51:01,599
Zoom meeting that the mayor talked about
and social media took it and ran for it

727
00:50:59,839 --> 00:51:04,920
because
the day

728
00:51:05,359 --> 00:51:12,640
» caucus meeting was posted that was on
the agenda.

729
00:51:10,079 --> 00:51:16,640
Social media lacy chatter had data
centers being built in Lacy and all it

730
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:20,640
was was Steve was going to talk about
the conversation he had there. So, we

731
00:51:18,720 --> 00:51:25,760
didn't even make it to this meeting.
>> Some of us only heard about even his

732
00:51:22,720 --> 00:51:31,520
meeting a couple hours before here,
>> but by breakfast because it's posted our

733
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:36,559
agenda, we were getting data centers
built and we didn't even know it.

734
00:51:34,240 --> 00:51:40,800
» You did maybe or whoever. I mean, shame
on me. I am one of them weirdos that

735
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:43,599
does not do social media.
>> So, just to be clear, you're saying no

736
00:51:42,160 --> 00:51:46,079
one has approached anyone on this
council about

737
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,400
» my knowledge. No.
>> No.

738
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,160
» Nope. And have any of you been to a data
center within the state?

739
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:52,720
» No.
>> Like the one in Vinland?

740
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:54,800
» I don't care to because I don't want
one.

741
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,880
» Would you be willing to meet me down
there to see what it's like to live next

742
00:51:55,920 --> 00:51:59,839
to one?
>> Nope. Because I as long as I'm living

743
00:51:59,119 --> 00:52:03,760
» do with this
>> will never support one. It's as simple

744
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:06,800
as that. I don't care what it was like.
>> Are you willing to put it in writing?

745
00:52:05,359 --> 00:52:10,079
» I ain't putting crap in writing. You
just heard me on the tape.

746
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,760
» It's on record. It's on It's on a record
right now.

747
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:16,319
» On a record. Yeah,
>> it's in the It's in the minutes. I mean,

748
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:20,079
» that's just my feeling.
There was 4,000 people in town when I

749
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:24,160
was little. Now there's over 4,000
school system. The place has exploded.

750
00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:28,480
I'm not disappointed in the way that
some of it exploded, but people moved

751
00:52:26,319 --> 00:52:32,240
here and they have the right to. Lacy
Township built a beautiful place to

752
00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:38,640
live. That's why we've expanded the way
we have. I know Steve down there. We

753
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:44,079
grew up together and we sat grew up in
this little town of 4,000 people and now

754
00:52:40,720 --> 00:52:47,440
we're 30,000. things change and we don't
all like to change but it's called

755
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:52,400
progression
and like I say I'm hoping more and more

756
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:56,400
of you young people get involved because
we need your input we need your youth we

757
00:52:55,520 --> 00:53:00,480
need your thinking
>> when you say that though like things

758
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:03,599
change after just saying that you will
ensure that there will be no data center

759
00:53:02,079 --> 00:53:05,920
here like that kind of talking out of
both sides of your mouth like

760
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:10,559
» no I'm not cuz I'm not going to be on
this committee long enough for that to

761
00:53:07,599 --> 00:53:14,000
happen okay because we're talking 8 10
years away

762
00:53:11,839 --> 00:53:19,040
I'm 70 years old.
>> I'm only sitting up here because I love

763
00:53:15,599 --> 00:53:22,240
this town, not for the $192.30
a week it pays me

764
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:23,760
» every two weeks.
>> No, it's every week.

765
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:27,920
» Is it?
>> Yeah. And that's before taxes. So if you

766
00:53:26,240 --> 00:53:32,720
think you I'm up here for the money, the
glory, the pictures, or anything else,

767
00:53:30,720 --> 00:53:36,800
you're wrong. I'm here because I love
the town. I love them guys in the back.

768
00:53:34,319 --> 00:53:42,000
I love the community. This is a great
town. Is it perfect? No.

769
00:53:40,319 --> 00:53:48,079
But as I said and I repeat it
constantly, I will never support them.

770
00:53:44,960 --> 00:53:50,640
» So hypothetically, a month from now, we
start to see that there's a possibility

771
00:53:49,359 --> 00:53:54,079
of one being developed.
>> Ask me then.

772
00:53:52,000 --> 00:53:57,200
» I come back here, none of y'all are
changing your tune. You're all against

773
00:53:55,359 --> 00:54:01,359
it.
>> I gave you my

774
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:04,640
» Yes. But we come up up to this because
like you said, is running it right now

775
00:54:03,200 --> 00:54:07,680
and they are open to the possibility of
a data center and they will always push

776
00:54:06,880 --> 00:54:11,520
things to kind of make
>> Mr. McDonald was real clear.

777
00:54:11,599 --> 00:54:19,440
Two years ago, I was involved. It was a
grant program on uh looking forward

778
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:22,079
towards the redevelopment of the power
plant property.

779
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:25,680
» And we're sitting in these Zoom
meetings. These were

780
00:54:24,400 --> 00:54:29,359
there was no charge for me sitting in
these. And I had asked them, you know,

781
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:33,599
because when you're talking
redevelopment, is redevelopment going to

782
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:39,599
happen three years from now, five years
from now, or 10 years from now?

783
00:54:37,040 --> 00:54:42,640
Well, they weren't sure. could be eight,
could be 10 years.

784
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:47,200
» You know why? You can't make decisions
today for what's good for redevelopment

785
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:50,720
today
>> because 10 years from now it could be

786
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:54,960
totally totally different. The world
could change. And you know what?

787
00:54:52,720 --> 00:54:59,599
» At that time,
yes, you're what you're looking for is a

788
00:54:57,040 --> 00:55:03,599
blanket thing. It doesn't protect you at
that point. I'm going to fight as hard

789
00:55:01,359 --> 00:55:08,880
as I can while I'm here to fight.
Hopefully, everybody else will. And

790
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:16,079
that's where we're at because WholeTech,
the NRC, all that are way, way bigger

791
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:19,760
than we are. It's a thing of principle.
It's knowing that we're not going to

792
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:23,920
have the rug pulled out from us should
it come to fruition that they start to

793
00:55:21,200 --> 00:55:27,280
build one that that they know you guys
are with us and not all of a sudden just

794
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:29,599
kind of like step to the side and walk
around us.

795
00:55:28,000 --> 00:55:34,240
» Well, I think everybody's giving you an
answer.

796
00:55:31,119 --> 00:55:36,640
an answer, but not a committal answer.
Like,

797
00:55:35,040 --> 00:55:40,400
» it's not the answer you want to hear.
>> Yes. I want to know that you're with us.

798
00:55:38,559 --> 00:55:42,160
» You want us to flat out come out and say
we're not going to allow them to be

799
00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:45,040
built.
>> That's what you want.

800
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:47,440
» I would like to know that you're in that
indication.

801
00:55:45,839 --> 00:55:50,640
» That's what you want. Yes or no?
>> I want to know where you stand.

802
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:55,359
» Who said that?
>> You said there's a possibility that you

803
00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:58,880
don't favor it now, but if something
changes, you might.

804
00:55:56,240 --> 00:56:01,680
» I said, well, I told you how I feel.
>> No problem. time.

805
00:56:00,240 --> 00:56:04,880
» Yeah, I'm aware of how that works.
>> Stopping the clock when you guys

806
00:56:02,799 --> 00:56:08,880
interject. So that's why it's normal 5
minutes.

807
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:12,559
» To be clear,
>> August 21st, I'll be down in Vinland. I

808
00:56:11,040 --> 00:56:14,799
invite you to come down with me 3 p.m.
to see what it's like and I leave it to

809
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:16,160
you.
>> Thank you.

810
00:56:15,200 --> 00:56:20,720
» Thank you.
>> Thank you for your comments. And so

811
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:26,720
everybody knows,
>> I know that that one went on when we do

812
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:30,400
the five minutes when we respond that
clock stop. That's what I do.

813
00:56:28,559 --> 00:56:35,760
» We always give back. We don't run the
clock while we respond. So, you get your

814
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:39,079
full your full time,
>> Mr. Flynn.

815
00:56:39,599 --> 00:56:46,240
» Oh, I'm sorry. I would have took ladies
first. I didn't see your hand.

816
00:56:44,319 --> 00:56:49,200
» Kevin, I I Kevin, I promise I'll get you
that coffee.

817
00:56:47,359 --> 00:56:53,680
» Ladies Thursdays, Tim. Kevin Flynn,
Barnett Pines. Don't worry, in 10 years,

818
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:57,079
good Lord willing, I will be sitting up
THERE AND YOU

819
00:57:00,400 --> 00:57:05,520
AND KEVIN does know that I'm one of his
number one supporters.

820
00:57:04,160 --> 00:57:09,760
» Or I like a good fight.
>> Or or when I decide not to do this or

821
00:57:08,480 --> 00:57:11,280
you just vote me out, he's my
replacement.

822
00:57:10,240 --> 00:57:12,640
» All right. You're not allowed to talk no
more because we got to do a five

823
00:57:12,319 --> 00:57:15,040
minutes.
>> I'm not going to be up here long. I just

824
00:57:13,839 --> 00:57:18,960
have a quick question.
>> The individual hired in the finance

825
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:21,200
office, was that to replace someone that
left or retired?

826
00:57:19,839 --> 00:57:23,680
» No, it's the part-timer that went to
fulltime.

827
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,280
» Oh, so we added an additional person to
the

828
00:57:23,920 --> 00:57:29,920
» Yeah, half of a person, so to speak.
she's already here um doing our payroll

829
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:34,240
and based on some changes and some
additional um you know stuff that has to

830
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:38,319
be done with payroll and other items.
Now we we do a lot of the work for the

831
00:57:36,720 --> 00:57:41,280
bank. The bank really doesn't bank
anymore. So we have to open up our own

832
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:44,640
accounts, create our own things. So
there's additional duties and she um is

833
00:57:43,520 --> 00:57:50,720
taking on that role.
>> Okay. Thank you.

834
00:57:47,680 --> 00:57:52,880
» Now it's this young lady's turn.
>> Hi guys and ladies.

835
00:57:52,319 --> 00:57:56,240
» Hi
>> Linda Cafia. You're going to have to

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speak into the microphone because you're
very soft spoken.

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» Normally I'm not.
>> Say that.

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00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:04,720
» Could you say your name again?
>> Linda Capitan.

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» Thank you.
>> So, you know, I'm I'm hearing a lot of

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00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:15,359
worry about property taxes,
but I also have to appreciate what Mr.

841
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:20,720
McDonald, Mr. Curlah said. You can't
hamstring the township. You want lower

842
00:58:18,319 --> 00:58:26,720
taxes. you don't want them to to
increase, but you want to take away the

843
00:58:23,440 --> 00:58:30,720
possibility that you can find ways to
increase revenue to offset them. So,

844
00:58:28,960 --> 00:58:37,040
what I think I'm really hearing is
people are scared about continually

845
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:43,920
increasing property taxes. Fair enough.
Also, I hear that we can't handstring

846
00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:49,040
us. Now, what I'd like to know is if
while you're looking at these increases,

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00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:53,920
electricity, do you have a list of
things you're looking at that could

848
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:57,119
potentially decrease property taxes?
Just like you're think you know what the

849
00:58:55,680 --> 00:59:02,000
increases are going to are you
constantly looking at ways to cut costs

850
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:09,160
and if so, is there a list or can we
generate a list people's ideas because

851
00:59:05,040 --> 00:59:09,160
that would be a way to mitigate

852
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:15,280
» what we do. review the budget. There
are, you know, employment costs,

853
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:18,640
unfortunately, are the biggest chunk of
the budget. And I don't care if it's our

854
00:59:16,799 --> 00:59:22,880
budget, the school budget, you know,
county budget. Um, so we do try to

855
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:26,880
reduce employment costs. We do try to
give incentives for people to opt out of

856
00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:31,760
health benefits. Um, you know, there are
laws in place that that do that. Um, we

857
00:59:28,960 --> 00:59:35,280
try to work things out going part-time,
so then some of those perks aren't there

858
00:59:33,680 --> 00:59:39,839
for the employees. Um,
>> do you study efficiencies of the staff?

859
00:59:38,880 --> 00:59:43,440
» Actually have because I
>> actually just got a grant for an

860
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:47,839
efficiency study that we'll be embarking
on as soon as we get the RFP done to

861
00:59:45,760 --> 00:59:51,760
determine um if some of our offices
could be reduced in staff size. And this

862
00:59:49,920 --> 00:59:56,079
is for municipal offices, not for police
or public works. Um, uh, combined offic

863
00:59:54,720 --> 00:59:58,640
» that would be one to look at public
works. I

864
00:59:57,599 --> 01:00:02,440
» we are down
>> I often observe

865
01:00:02,720 --> 01:00:11,880
» I'm laz on the public works
>> and one thing I learned I know you can

866
01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:11,880
observe what's an indiv

867
01:00:12,880 --> 01:00:18,559
since I've been there I come to find out
we're down approximately probably 10

868
01:00:16,319 --> 01:00:19,920
people over whether it's through
attrition

869
01:00:19,119 --> 01:00:25,040
» more like 20
>> non-replacement different things like

870
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:28,960
that believe it or not this whole town I
mean like I've said before is not

871
01:00:26,559 --> 01:00:34,079
Perfect. A lot of stuff's done.
>> Agreed. But a lot of it has is

872
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:37,839
investment in in technology or better
equipment. So the efficiency could come

873
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:42,640
from investment in capital.
>> And that's where I want to go with this.

874
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:46,559
Our town, most towns around us are
envious of our town, the way we maintain

875
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:50,640
it, the way we keep it, and the whole
bit. And that's all thanks to public

876
01:00:48,319 --> 01:00:55,520
works. They're down people. We're trying
to put people on, but like you wanted it

877
01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:59,200
as far as efficiency, we're we're doing
that right now. But also, we got to be

878
01:00:57,599 --> 01:01:03,839
careful when we hire somebody because
the one cost we can't control is the

879
01:01:02,559 --> 01:01:09,920
health costs.
>> When you got 20 to 30% per employee

880
01:01:06,559 --> 01:01:13,680
going up every year, that's something we
have no

881
01:01:11,839 --> 01:01:16,880
change on whether you're still working
or whether you're retired. So, we're

882
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:22,400
dealing with that when we when we look
at all this stuff. But as far as public

883
01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:26,079
works, even the equipment, it wears out.
It's going bad. These guys back there

884
01:01:24,319 --> 01:01:30,880
are stealing parts from one piece to
another piece. When you go out and to

885
01:01:28,480 --> 01:01:34,000
buy a truck and you need a dump truck,
you know, it was one thing when we used

886
01:01:32,559 --> 01:01:38,960
to look at them and yeah, we could get a
dump truck for $40,000.

887
01:01:36,559 --> 01:01:42,319
Now they're 125. So, it's like
everything

888
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:47,760
it moves up. I mean, we just we're in
the process right now of taking an old

889
01:01:44,960 --> 01:01:53,359
truck that last year we put a new motor
in, but the body shot. So, instead of

890
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:59,040
spending $150,000 on a new truck,
>> we're spending say $20,000

891
01:01:56,240 --> 01:02:04,240
on putting a new body on it. So, yes, a
lot of that stuff's done, but the

892
01:02:01,040 --> 01:02:06,160
there's costs out there that are that
strangle everybody.

893
01:02:05,680 --> 01:02:09,760
» I know
>> that are eating up any

894
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:18,480
» I'm not complaining about Lacy. I love
Lacy. But you you can hear in everyone's

895
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:23,760
voices the concern about one way up and
the pace. So if there's a way to

896
01:02:21,200 --> 01:02:28,400
the pace and find ways I'm thinking we
could think outside of the box

897
01:02:25,680 --> 01:02:33,760
» could be 100,000 could be 200,000 but
something. So I I haven't heard whether

898
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:38,079
or not you have a list in your heads
things like that on a daily basis.

899
01:02:36,799 --> 01:02:42,319
» Well maybe you need to share that.
>> I can tell you this. we get our our

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01:02:40,799 --> 01:02:46,720
health insurance premiums which gonna be
for 27.

901
01:02:44,079 --> 01:02:50,319
» That's ae inevitably
>> Veronica and her staff will call our

902
01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:56,319
broker
>> give us give us a quote and because of

903
01:02:54,000 --> 01:03:00,319
our assessments
we can't we can't go private. If we

904
01:02:58,079 --> 01:03:05,119
could go private and save money I think
everybody up here would say yes. But we

905
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:10,240
can't. We are stuck with the state and
the state, just so that you know, the

906
01:03:08,319 --> 01:03:15,440
New Jersey health benefits program last
year lost $250

907
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:19,680
million.
You want to call that I call it

908
01:03:16,720 --> 01:03:22,960
mismanagement. That's crazy.
>> The job is not

909
01:03:20,799 --> 01:03:28,559
» Let me let me finish. So we somehow they
got to make up that 250 million and they

910
01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:32,160
got to give us a good a good product.
It's not happening.

911
01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:38,160
» I'm not saying it's easy. I'm saying you
can hear the fear in people that there's

912
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:43,359
never an end to the increase in taxes.
So, I'm just bringing it up. Never would

913
01:03:40,640 --> 01:03:47,440
want to take away any ideas to develop
for taxes. I'm all for that. Never

914
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:50,400
promised never to do anything.
>> And you're exactly right because we're

915
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:54,319
getting nickeled and dime everywhere.
But to give you an idea, a real strong

916
01:03:52,319 --> 01:03:58,319
idea on one of the things we did this
year, I'm going to turn it over to our

917
01:03:56,240 --> 01:04:03,359
administrator because we did something
this year that because we're we're

918
01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:07,359
looking at efficiency where we can move
people and where we can save money. We

919
01:04:05,119 --> 01:04:12,559
did something within the DPW this year
that uh was huge, which the

920
01:04:11,359 --> 01:04:14,799
administrator, if you talk about the
janitorial services.

921
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:19,280
» Thank you for giving me the opportunity.
So we um we we were having

922
01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:23,359
» I can step down and let you talk. Will
you Yeah. Yeah. Whatever. You can stand.

923
01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:28,240
Um
>> so we um were we were faced with a

924
01:04:25,760 --> 01:04:32,400
retirement in the janitorial staff of
the DPW department. We have three people

925
01:04:30,319 --> 01:04:35,760
that oversee the um cleaning of our
buildings, all of our public buildings,

926
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:41,760
public bathrooms, parks, you know, the
you know, those kind of things. Um with

927
01:04:38,160 --> 01:04:45,440
and now with the benefits, salaries, and
employment costs, it was it's about

928
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:49,680
$463,000
for three people. One of the people were

929
01:04:47,839 --> 01:04:53,200
retiring. So what we did is we went out
for an RFP to look for an outside

930
01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:57,280
company. Could an outside company do it
cheaper than us and cover all of our

931
01:04:55,440 --> 01:05:00,000
needs and maybe expand the needs of
cleaning, right? Because if you call in

932
01:04:58,799 --> 01:05:02,240
somebody at night, it's overtime. You
call in somebody on the weekend, it's

933
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:04,480
overtime. Sundays are double time,
right? And there are sometimes where

934
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:06,880
there's emergencies, especially in the
police department, that require

935
01:05:05,440 --> 01:05:11,280
additional cleaning. Police department's
a 247 operation, so they need additional

936
01:05:09,200 --> 01:05:14,799
cleaning compared to um our municipal
offices. Can we cut what how many days a

937
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:19,520
week we're clearing the municipal
offices? is really how dirty does our

938
01:05:17,359 --> 01:05:25,920
building get, right? So, we went out for
an RFP and the RFP came in at $191,000.

939
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:28,960
So, we jumped on it, right? So, we only
entered into a one-year contract to make

940
01:05:27,599 --> 01:05:33,359
sure that it is something that's
feasible and it's working. So far, so

941
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:37,839
good. I do believe that the majority of
the employees are very happy. Um we're

942
01:05:35,680 --> 01:05:40,960
getting um more coverage on different
buildings that get heavier use such as

943
01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:44,000
the community center and of course the
park bathrooms at this time of the year

944
01:05:42,319 --> 01:05:48,000
get a lot of use. So they're getting
cleaned as well. Those two individuals

945
01:05:46,319 --> 01:05:52,480
left in the janitorial staff were put
out into the labor force to help with

946
01:05:50,559 --> 01:05:56,319
the other items that um need to be done
by public works instead of hiring

947
01:05:54,400 --> 01:05:59,280
additional people in the labor force. So
again with my management efficiency

948
01:05:57,839 --> 01:06:02,880
study which I didn't get to finish
speaking about, we are looking again it

949
01:06:01,359 --> 01:06:07,119
was a grant. You're limited to how much
you could get. So, we wanted to start

950
01:06:04,559 --> 01:06:10,079
first with the municipal offices um and
look at the municipal offices. Could we

951
01:06:08,559 --> 01:06:12,960
combine departments? Could maybe
somebody only need to be a half a day in

952
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:15,920
one office and work a half a day in
another office where there was other

953
01:06:14,160 --> 01:06:19,599
duties that needed to be done. We are
preparing we have to I just can't hire

954
01:06:17,680 --> 01:06:23,119
any company off the street to do it. Um
so, we are preparing our request for

955
01:06:21,119 --> 01:06:27,039
proposals to take solicitation from
interested companies to perform the

956
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:31,520
efficiency study. um that will probably
the you won't see a report probably for

957
01:06:29,359 --> 01:06:35,359
at least 12 months from that and uh you
know to see what we're going to do um

958
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:39,920
with regards to moving staff around
sharing resources instead of continually

959
01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:44,079
hiring um part-time people uh full-time
people I will tell you that I've you

960
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:49,839
know with technology as fast as it rolls
and changes and it's rapid um I can see

961
01:06:47,200 --> 01:06:54,160
where um you know c things could be
reduced things could be done um in a

962
01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:57,039
part-time basis versus a full-time basis
you know um office hours might be

963
01:06:55,760 --> 01:07:01,200
reduced if you can do a lot of
e-commerce so to speak you know you know

964
01:06:59,359 --> 01:07:05,119
again tax collection you can't tell them
that they can't bring in cash to pay

965
01:07:02,799 --> 01:07:09,280
their taxes because if they use a credit
card there's that convenience fee that

966
01:07:06,640 --> 01:07:12,559
you the user has to pay so those are but
over time I think a lot of that's going

967
01:07:10,799 --> 01:07:15,200
to change and we probably won't be
taking cash we probably won't be taking

968
01:07:14,160 --> 01:07:19,440
checks it's all going to be in
e-commerce so do you need you know

969
01:07:17,520 --> 01:07:22,079
individuals in the tax office tax
assessment I believe eventually the

970
01:07:20,960 --> 01:07:26,640
county is going to take over the
assessing of all the municipal assess uh

971
01:07:24,559 --> 01:07:30,160
tax assessor's offices. You know, we we
see that because it's it's county

972
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:34,240
controlled now to a certain point. You
know, those kind of things. You know, we

973
01:07:31,599 --> 01:07:38,799
do out some of our pay payroll for the
reporting to the outside agencies are

974
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:44,240
done by an outside agency, you know. So,
those things, there are ways to reduce

975
01:07:41,680 --> 01:07:46,960
um staffing and items like that. But as
long as we keep our parks the way they

976
01:07:46,000 --> 01:07:50,720
are and all those things, you're going
to see certain departments like public

977
01:07:48,640 --> 01:07:54,720
works and police of course because the
more people you have in town or the more

978
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:58,960
people that trans transiate through your
town, you have more calls for services

979
01:07:56,799 --> 01:08:04,400
for the police. You know, they they are
averaging about 20. One officer on a one

980
01:08:01,920 --> 01:08:08,960
day shift is averaging about 20 calls
per officer. And some of those calls

981
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:12,319
require more than one officer to be on
depending on the type of call. And

982
01:08:10,799 --> 01:08:16,080
again, sometimes they're dealing with
calls where my neighbor's dog is

983
01:08:14,079 --> 01:08:19,920
barking, you know, and sometimes they're
very serious calls, but all of those

984
01:08:17,679 --> 01:08:23,520
calls for service have to be addressed.
So, and then again, all the state laws

985
01:08:21,759 --> 01:08:27,199
that come down and all those things
require sometimes additional staffing

986
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:30,880
and additional reporting because it's
not just as simple as, you know, writing

987
01:08:28,960 --> 01:08:34,080
a report, you know. So, but we are
looking, the municipal offices were the

988
01:08:32,319 --> 01:08:38,880
easiest way to go first to look at it.
We do plan if the state offers the grant

989
01:08:36,080 --> 01:08:42,560
next year, apply again. We are um and
I'm going to make this announcement and

990
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:46,080
whether the committee likes it or not.
Um we are looking at consolidation of

991
01:08:44,480 --> 01:08:50,000
our emergency services. There's a lot of
duplication of equipment and um vehicles

992
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:54,880
whether it's the first aid squad or the
fire company. So could we have one Lacy

993
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:59,440
Township first aid squad and one Lacy
Township Fire Company and we have

994
01:08:57,440 --> 01:09:03,839
separate to have resources that are not
duplication of resources. So you don't

995
01:09:01,359 --> 01:09:07,759
need four chief's vehicles. Maybe you
need one and one assistant chief vehicle

996
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:11,839
and you have some substations. So those
things that we are looking at.

997
01:09:09,679 --> 01:09:15,759
» This is good stuff that you need to
share with us.

998
01:09:13,359 --> 01:09:19,279
» Well, sometimes it's not comfortable
stuff because I'm sure after I just said

999
01:09:17,679 --> 01:09:21,920
this about the fire companies that
they're going to be breathing down my

1000
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:25,920
neck a few of them and same with the
first broad shoulders.

1001
01:09:24,000 --> 01:09:28,880
» They all like home rule. You know, we
all like home rule. It's the same with

1002
01:09:27,440 --> 01:09:32,080
the municipalities in New Jersey.
There's these some little verbs that

1003
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:36,799
maybe consolidation might be the way to
go. That's the kind of stuff that helps

1004
01:09:34,159 --> 01:09:39,279
to mitigate people screaming about that
is when they hear you're trying.

1005
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:42,159
» We're trying. High
>> applause. We're trying. Thank you.

1006
01:09:41,120 --> 01:09:45,679
» Thank you.
>> Yeah. And sometimes it just gets lost in

1007
01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:49,679
the soup with doing all the other
business. We just You're right. It needs

1008
01:09:48,239 --> 01:09:54,279
to get out there, but sometimes it just
gets lost with all the other business.

1009
01:09:51,279 --> 01:09:54,279
Next

1010
01:10:02,880 --> 01:10:06,520
I like this here.

1011
01:10:07,840 --> 01:10:15,600
» He's He's gonna run out.
>> You're in trouble now.

1012
01:10:11,679 --> 01:10:21,360
» Uh Alisa Waller, Crestwood Drive. Um I
guess I just have a few points. So one

1013
01:10:18,480 --> 01:10:27,920
of the things I found out January, uh
the legislature of New Jersey gave

1014
01:10:23,600 --> 01:10:31,440
themselves a 67% raise, right? So at the
beginning of this meeting we're talking

1015
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:36,640
about increasing facility rentals for
people in our town and then decreasing

1016
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:39,920
thing benefits for veterans. Now I know
what you had said but what I'm talking

1017
01:10:38,239 --> 01:10:44,000
about on one hand we can increase
something on the other hand we can

1018
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:47,360
decrease it and it just doesn't jive
>> nobody's decreasing benefits.

1019
01:10:46,080 --> 01:10:50,719
» Also I'd like to
>> what for

1020
01:10:50,239 --> 01:10:54,159
decreasing
>> we're not decreasing anything. We're

1021
01:10:52,719 --> 01:10:58,239
looking for the state of New Jersey to
reimburse us for that reimburse tax.

1022
01:10:56,560 --> 01:11:03,120
» Right. But that's what I'm Well, it's
the point is that you want that money

1023
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:08,480
back because we lost it. So, you're also
it's it's just a mixed messages about

1024
01:11:05,679 --> 01:11:15,040
taxes and the YMCA comes into it because
our taxes are going to pay for that and

1025
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:21,760
the uh pool at the Ocean County College
was shut down because of the expense of

1026
01:11:18,880 --> 01:11:24,880
maintaining it. So, um, I just wanted to
make that connection that, you know,

1027
01:11:23,120 --> 01:11:28,239
Back to the Future is a great movie to
watch. Anything we decide now is going

1028
01:11:26,960 --> 01:11:32,400
to affect the future. Like you're
saying, in 10 years, you may or may not

1029
01:11:29,840 --> 01:11:36,880
be here, but whoever's here is going to
have to endure whatever we decide now.

1030
01:11:34,880 --> 01:11:41,440
So the data center that was brought up
is also something that I feel like if

1031
01:11:39,120 --> 01:11:45,840
you're not on social media uh and then
the data center discussion they don't

1032
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:50,239
jive either because without social media
you know the data center is supposedly

1033
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:55,280
you know powering social media. Social
media just mentioned that Manchester is

1034
01:11:53,120 --> 01:12:00,080
proposing a data center right on their
property west of the pro parkway which

1035
01:11:57,760 --> 01:12:03,199
is also protected land. So, the fact
that you can say, you know, that it

1036
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:06,640
wouldn't have that you don't want it
here,

1037
01:12:04,880 --> 01:12:09,360
» they they're not supposed to have it
there and now they're have they're

1038
01:12:07,679 --> 01:12:13,280
trying to repeal it and it was
rewritten, the ordinance was rewritten

1039
01:12:10,960 --> 01:12:15,760
or the zoning was rewritten in a way
that included it and now they're in a

1040
01:12:15,199 --> 01:12:19,199
battle.
>> Mayor, if I could through the floor,

1041
01:12:17,040 --> 01:12:23,760
please, and I apologize, ma'am, for just
give you 30 seconds.

1042
01:12:21,520 --> 01:12:29,760
Social media has caused more stress in
this town and more information that is

1043
01:12:26,480 --> 01:12:35,440
really may may not be accurate during
the fire last year, during COVID, during

1044
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:39,760
Sandy. If I I say to our and we have
some great social media um out there and

1045
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:45,199
we put some of our social media out
there, but if you have questions rather

1046
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:51,120
and I heard awful things about the
nuclear plant during the fire, not

1047
01:12:47,440 --> 01:12:56,159
seeing on any so social media avenue out
and there are some great ones. If you

1048
01:12:53,600 --> 01:13:01,360
have questions about the town, about
your taxes, and you want accurate

1049
01:12:58,000 --> 01:13:04,320
answers, please call 6931100.
I'm going to cut you off there because

1050
01:13:02,719 --> 01:13:07,600
it's my time and I have this has nothing
to do with the information I'm getting

1051
01:13:06,159 --> 01:13:11,040
from social media. I'm trying to tell
you that social media is where people

1052
01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:15,760
get information. So, the idea that
Manchester had this issue, I found about

1053
01:13:13,120 --> 01:13:20,640
about it through scrolling through a a a
channel that I follow that it shares

1054
01:13:17,679 --> 01:13:25,120
local news, you know, that's not unheard
of to follow something on social media

1055
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:29,520
that's local news. And then that's when
I went and attended the meeting and

1056
01:13:26,719 --> 01:13:33,760
that, you know, cemented the fact that
it was true. So, social media also does

1057
01:13:31,920 --> 01:13:38,080
tell truth, but sometimes you do have to
investigate. I agree. But, um, that's

1058
01:13:36,560 --> 01:13:42,400
all I wanted to say. Just pointing out
that the YMCA is a big no for me still,

1059
01:13:40,480 --> 01:13:47,040
just because I don't know about you
guys, but anyone up there who makes more

1060
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:50,800
than uh $89,000 a year, good for you.
But there's people who make less than

1061
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:57,199
that. And I'm a teacher who does make
about that. So the fact that we have to

1062
01:13:53,520 --> 01:14:01,040
pay for this YMCA when the Toms I mean
the Lacy Township School District has

1063
01:13:59,120 --> 01:14:05,520
the most employees that we pay in this
town that's the highest amount of I

1064
01:14:03,440 --> 01:14:10,159
think there's 750 teachers in that
district. So our river

1065
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:13,920
» no in Lacy. So that's the highest
employment of our dis our town, right?

1066
01:14:12,480 --> 01:14:17,360
Is there is there a business in this
town that we pay for that's more than

1067
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:20,320
that?
>> I'm just trying to make a point that

1068
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:23,840
that's something that we should invest
more in. Not saying about anything to do

1069
01:14:22,320 --> 01:14:28,320
with the argument with insurance and all
that, but I'm talking about our

1070
01:14:25,040 --> 01:14:32,880
structure and the pool that and the YMCA
that I don't think we need in this town

1071
01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:36,520
even just for our schools. So that's it.
Thank you.

1072
01:14:33,360 --> 01:14:36,520
» Thank you.

1073
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:46,560
» Next, uh Steve, I'll get to you after
everybody's m

1074
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:48,000
» I'll take the young lady there.
>> Huh?

1075
01:14:47,199 --> 01:14:51,679
» You
>> young lady. That's what he said.

1076
01:14:49,360 --> 01:14:54,320
» Oh, okay. Well, I'll take it. Take it.
Take it while I can.

1077
01:14:52,719 --> 01:14:59,840
» I'll take it while I can. Hi, my name is
Elaine Brandon. I'm from uh Fork at

1078
01:14:56,320 --> 01:15:03,679
River. Um I have a question. With all
due respect, everybody was talking

1079
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:11,120
about, you know, high taxes and high
this and increases in which I totally

1080
01:15:08,480 --> 01:15:16,600
understand all that. Why is it that the
YMCA is not going to pay any rent at

1081
01:15:13,600 --> 01:15:16,600
all?

1082
01:15:16,880 --> 01:15:23,199
» Okay, that that's not necessarily true.
We are in the process of negotiating

1083
01:15:20,960 --> 01:15:26,480
with them what would be an agreement,
right? We're not we can't sign an

1084
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:31,840
agreement until we obviously know what
happens with the question, right? Yes or

1085
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:36,080
no. So, we are negotiating while we've
talked about some of the uh uh

1086
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:41,360
membership discounts, uh business
discounts, um rental space, naming

1087
01:15:39,040 --> 01:15:45,120
rights, right? So, there have been some
back and forth dialogue during our

1088
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:49,840
deliberations and negotiations to
increase the resident discount, to

1089
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:54,320
increase the business discount, um to uh
get revenue because there's a space for

1090
01:15:52,159 --> 01:15:58,719
like a physical therapy place proposed
in the plans that you saw around um the

1091
01:15:56,640 --> 01:16:03,040
room or the town or on the website that
we would get a portion of the rent of

1092
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:06,159
that to offset some of our debt. There's
possibility that all naming rights and

1093
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:09,760
those kind of things, all of that
revenue would come to the town. There's

1094
01:16:07,920 --> 01:16:16,239
also financial assistance that they
offer to um anybody that's on the uh

1095
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:20,320
100% uh reduced uh lunch program for the
schools with kids. There's programs for

1096
01:16:18,159 --> 01:16:25,040
them to get an additional reductions in
membership fees if they wanted to um uh

1097
01:16:23,199 --> 01:16:30,320
have membership there, plus other
programs for seniors and other items for

1098
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:35,600
veterans where there are reductions in
fees and stuff for um people who want to

1099
01:16:33,280 --> 01:16:40,960
join. So, we are still negotiating what
that final contract looks like, but it's

1100
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:43,920
it's we're not signing it or doing it
until obviously we know how the question

1101
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:48,640
goes.
>> Yeah, but can't sign a contract.

1102
01:16:45,600 --> 01:16:55,600
» Yeah, but you're asking you're asking us
a question to answer without all the

1103
01:16:52,239 --> 01:16:59,440
proper facts. We We can't do that. We
This is our money and it's your money.

1104
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:04,880
» And in all honesty, you're exactly
right. And it it's it's

1105
01:17:01,360 --> 01:17:09,440
» the meeting two weeks ago which had Yes.
had a tremendous amount of input and the

1106
01:17:07,040 --> 01:17:12,480
whole bit uh a lot of good questions
came out.

1107
01:17:10,400 --> 01:17:15,520
» Yeah. And and you still but you but with
all due respect you still approved it.

1108
01:17:14,320 --> 01:17:19,120
» Well let me let me finish.
>> Go ahead. Go ahead.

1109
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:24,719
» Okay.
We're a big proponent of to ask the

1110
01:17:22,880 --> 01:17:30,000
taxpayers so we wanted to put it out as
a question. The bind we got in, let me

1111
01:17:27,280 --> 01:17:36,159
finish, is we didn't want to put the qu
we didn't want to do it last week.

1112
01:17:33,600 --> 01:17:40,000
The problem we ran into is
>> wise

1113
01:17:36,640 --> 01:17:44,159
» to get it on November's ballot.
We had until August 7th. We thought we

1114
01:17:42,239 --> 01:17:47,760
had until the end of August to get this
question prepared and have some

1115
01:17:45,920 --> 01:17:53,120
meetings, but the county came in and
said we had to have it to them by August

1116
01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:58,080
7th. So, we had that meeting. Now, with
that said, we're currently in

1117
01:17:56,560 --> 01:18:05,120
negotiations with them. We're getting
more and more answers. All the factual

1118
01:18:01,760 --> 01:18:08,640
factual answers are on the website right
now. The ones that we're still

1119
01:18:06,960 --> 01:18:13,600
negotiating
are not. As those facts come out, they

1120
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:20,080
will be posted.
>> Okay? But because if we

1121
01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:22,880
throw a number out there of anything,
>> it will change

1122
01:18:20,719 --> 01:18:27,440
» an improper number out there. $45,000 is
not the proper number.

1123
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:30,239
» Well, 45,000 isn't isn't on that to
start with. That's 45 million. But who

1124
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:35,280
knows that
>> 45 million. Okay. I'm I'm not debating

1125
01:18:32,880 --> 01:18:38,000
whether whether you like the question or
no question. What I'm saying is we were

1126
01:18:36,800 --> 01:18:41,760
under under a
>> It's not about liking it or disliking.

1127
01:18:39,440 --> 01:18:47,199
It's about giving the the the correct
information to the public who's voting.

1128
01:18:44,960 --> 01:18:53,760
» We will you let me finish. I just said
that as we get all our information, it's

1129
01:18:50,880 --> 01:18:58,400
being posted. And I had some people
lately tell me they don't have time to

1130
01:18:56,080 --> 01:19:02,000
look online. Well, if you can sit for
hours on Lacy Chatter

1131
01:19:01,040 --> 01:19:04,800
and on your computer,
>> I don't go on Lacy Chat. I'm banned from

1132
01:19:03,440 --> 01:19:09,920
Lacy Chatter.
>> Yeah, probably everybody else is too. Uh

1133
01:19:07,679 --> 01:19:14,800
if you can spend a lot of computer time
on the screen, you can take a few

1134
01:19:12,400 --> 01:19:19,280
minutes and go to the township website
and the stuff's posted. There are stuff

1135
01:19:17,199 --> 01:19:23,840
there. The number the things people are
looking for right now. We're in process

1136
01:19:21,920 --> 01:19:28,880
of trying to settle and get them
numbers. And with that said,

1137
01:19:26,800 --> 01:19:32,159
because I know myself, I repeated it
constantly tonight. If you don't have

1138
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:37,360
the answers
you need

1139
01:19:34,000 --> 01:19:40,480
» by November's vote, vote accordingly. If
you're not happy with it, vote no.

1140
01:19:39,280 --> 01:19:42,960
» All right. My other question is very
quickly or not quickly, but

1141
01:19:42,080 --> 01:19:45,840
» I mean, because there's a lot of
questions. I don't know the answer.

1142
01:19:44,480 --> 01:19:47,199
» So, you're saying the deadline was
August

1143
01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:49,600
» 7th.
>> Seventh, what happens if you do not meet

1144
01:19:48,960 --> 01:19:52,239
that deadline?
>> You couldn't put the question on the

1145
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:55,600
ballot for this year.
>> For this year. So, why couldn't you have

1146
01:19:54,000 --> 01:20:01,040
wait till next year? What is the big
rush? What is the big hurry when you

1147
01:19:57,440 --> 01:20:06,159
have all this stuff going on? And
and now it's like a crunch time. Why?

1148
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:09,199
This is That's crazy. It doesn't make
any sense.

1149
01:20:07,440 --> 01:20:13,040
» Why? Because because last week I mean
last I say last week, last month with

1150
01:20:11,679 --> 01:20:16,719
all due respect, you said you don't want
to deal with it next year and you did

1151
01:20:14,320 --> 01:20:19,280
say that. I mean that's not our problem.
>> No. You know what? This has been going

1152
01:20:18,080 --> 01:20:21,280
on for saying
>> this has been going on for a couple

1153
01:20:20,480 --> 01:20:24,400
years.
>> We got to either move ahead or settle

1154
01:20:23,679 --> 01:20:28,480
it.
>> And you know what? There's there's

1155
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:32,400
there's one there's one thing I hate
about government. It gets stuck in

1156
01:20:30,159 --> 01:20:35,840
quicksand and it
>> drags things out and drags things out.

1157
01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:40,800
This has been going this has been going
on for a couple years. And yes, I would

1158
01:20:38,480 --> 01:20:45,760
like to see the public make a decision
in November. And if it's no, it's no. If

1159
01:20:44,239 --> 01:20:53,440
it's yes, it's yes. Because the other
thing with a yes vote, remember even if

1160
01:20:48,960 --> 01:20:58,480
the public votes yes in November, if
that does not mean it's happening

1161
01:20:56,080 --> 01:21:03,920
because there still is things if we're
not happy with the deal and we see the

1162
01:21:01,199 --> 01:21:06,719
town's not happy with the deal. It
doesn't mean just because it's voted

1163
01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:10,960
yes, that just
>> does not mean we have to do it.

1164
01:21:08,480 --> 01:21:16,480
» Okay, I'm going to reverse that for you.
And if it's voted no with a close

1165
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:21,360
margin, it was said up here and I know
who said it that they could overturn

1166
01:21:18,719 --> 01:21:26,239
that. Can you guys vote against the what
the public votes?

1167
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:31,760
» Yes, we can. It's a nonbinding
>> referendum. Can you explain

1168
01:21:29,199 --> 01:21:36,560
everyone up here, madam?
>> Respectfully,

1169
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:40,400
my recollection is the way it comes out
in that vote is the way we're voting.

1170
01:21:38,800 --> 01:21:42,159
I'm not voting against the will of the
people.

1171
01:21:40,640 --> 01:21:44,719
» I know what you I know who said what. I
was here.

1172
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:47,520
» In the booth, I will take a picture of
my

1173
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:52,480
» No, I'm not talking about the ballot.
I'm talking about do you vote

1174
01:21:50,480 --> 01:21:57,840
as Tim? I think you know where I'm going
with that. You You vote. We We our our

1175
01:21:55,600 --> 01:22:01,520
vote was No, not an overwhelming vote in
November. It was a close mor.

1176
01:21:59,520 --> 01:22:03,840
» We said we said we were going to follow
the people's choice.

1177
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:05,760
» Well, not you.
>> Oh, absolutely.

1178
01:22:04,560 --> 01:22:08,400
» Yeah. No, no, no. I don't mean you. I
don't mean I don't mean you. I meant

1179
01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:13,600
there was somebody that up there that
actually said if it was a close margin

1180
01:22:11,040 --> 01:22:15,760
I'm still voting yes. So my question I
don't want you guys to give me

1181
01:22:14,719 --> 01:22:20,159
» that's not what he said.
>> Oh yes he did.

1182
01:22:16,800 --> 01:22:23,679
» He said if it's a close margin we could
override

1183
01:22:21,280 --> 01:22:25,679
» and he said he would under the statute
there are certain things that are

1184
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:30,239
binding and there are certain things
that are nonbinding. Okay. This is a

1185
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:33,920
non-binding question. Whereas the school
every bit of capital that they want to

1186
01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:38,800
spend on that they have to go and ask
the public and abide by the public's

1187
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:43,520
decision. But in that's the school that
is for the schools only. Municipalities

1188
01:22:41,280 --> 01:22:46,639
are different and attorney Connors and I
almost called the mayor Connors. Oh my

1189
01:22:45,040 --> 01:22:50,080
gosh, was I taking myself back? Don't do
that.

1190
01:22:47,600 --> 01:22:53,520
» Bad bad enough being the attorney can
explain it or if you'd like to hear from

1191
01:22:52,159 --> 01:22:57,120
it. But New Jersey law for
municipalities is different than it is

1192
01:22:55,040 --> 01:23:00,480
for school law when it comes to bond
ordinances.

1193
01:22:58,239 --> 01:23:06,159
» Okay. All right. I just wanted to
clarify some of you remember

1194
01:23:03,600 --> 01:23:09,840
» Kevin Flynn pointed to each one of us
and asked us and

1195
01:23:08,320 --> 01:23:12,639
» future mayor Flynn.
>> Yeah. Future Mayor Flynn.

1196
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:18,880
» Damn right.
>> Oh. Oh. I'm like Chris that guy.

1197
01:23:16,159 --> 01:23:22,960
» And you're at the meeting. The even if
one person said something that you're

1198
01:23:21,679 --> 01:23:30,880
debating.
>> Well, correct. It takes a majority of

1199
01:23:27,120 --> 01:23:38,000
this committee to override this. And I'm
sure if you took count, there was a lot

1200
01:23:33,280 --> 01:23:41,040
of us up here that said we will not go
against the will.

1201
01:23:39,520 --> 01:23:43,280
» I just remember the one person who
started it and I know who it was. I And

1202
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:47,199
I think
>> we all we all do. But it doesn't

1203
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:50,880
» but everybody but I'm just it was just
like what what good is it if that's

1204
01:23:49,199 --> 01:23:53,760
» it doesn't matter in the fact that the
majority of this sitting committee

1205
01:23:53,440 --> 01:23:56,719
» okay
>> who will still be sitting in these seats

1206
01:23:55,440 --> 01:23:57,840
in November
>> well

1207
01:23:57,199 --> 01:24:02,880
» possibly
>> in November

1208
01:23:59,520 --> 01:24:07,040
» oh that's right said that they will
abide by the will of the people.

1209
01:24:04,880 --> 01:24:10,159
» Okay. Well that's good to know. And the
other thing is you know

1210
01:24:08,239 --> 01:24:12,960
» I might also add you really shouldn't
have rushed it.

1211
01:24:11,360 --> 01:24:17,600
» That's not fair. I'm just saying if it
went to next year then so be it because

1212
01:24:15,199 --> 01:24:21,199
I don't know what the big rush is. I
really don't I mean we we're fine.

1213
01:24:20,159 --> 01:24:24,480
» Yeah. We're doing
>> myself like I just want to know does the

1214
01:24:23,120 --> 01:24:28,159
people want it or don't want it. It's
it's it's a simple question.

1215
01:24:25,600 --> 01:24:31,280
» I know. Yeah. But the I but the rushing
part of the whole thing just

1216
01:24:29,679 --> 01:24:34,480
» and I'm fine if they don't want it they
don't want it. I'm fine with that.

1217
01:24:32,880 --> 01:24:39,360
» Not all the answers aren't there but
that's all right. Thank you.

1218
01:24:36,480 --> 01:24:43,760
» I would also add that
thank you. Under New Jersey statute, the

1219
01:24:42,080 --> 01:24:50,320
New Jersey bond law, which I believe is
NJSA 48217,

1220
01:24:46,880 --> 01:24:54,080
requires an affirmative vote of 2/3 of
the full membership of the governing

1221
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:58,960
body. So, it requires four affirmative
votes. So, it couldn't be passed by

1222
01:24:56,480 --> 01:25:02,400
three. It would have to be passed by
four.

1223
01:25:00,639 --> 01:25:05,360
» Okay. Who's next?
>> Rich.

1224
01:25:03,120 --> 01:25:11,360
» Richard,
>> can we not talk? Can we just let them

1225
01:25:08,480 --> 01:25:11,360
talk?

1226
01:25:15,679 --> 01:25:23,760
Richard likes it on there. That's it. He
wants it over there.

1227
01:25:20,400 --> 01:25:29,199
» Uh, good evening, uh, Lacy citizens and,
uh, the mayor and township committee

1228
01:25:26,080 --> 01:25:34,320
members. First, I want to start off with
something nice.

1229
01:25:30,480 --> 01:25:38,560
» Okay. Um,
on my walks every day, I pass Will

1230
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:43,199
Wallace Park.
>> Okay. And um I see all the kids out

1231
01:25:41,280 --> 01:25:48,480
there, especially during the summer
during with the recreation program

1232
01:25:46,080 --> 01:25:53,520
and it's so nice. It brings smiles to my
face cuz they're laughing, having fun,

1233
01:25:50,639 --> 01:25:59,040
doing things kids don't normally have
the opportunity to do very much today.

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01:25:56,880 --> 01:26:04,159
And it reminded me of many moons ago
when I was young and I participated in

1235
01:26:01,600 --> 01:26:08,880
the summer parks program in my own town
and the many happy memories I had as a

1236
01:26:06,400 --> 01:26:12,480
child. And it's just nice to know that
we do that for our kids

1237
01:26:10,639 --> 01:26:15,920
» and I appreciate that because every day
I walk by there and the kids are

1238
01:26:14,239 --> 01:26:22,480
laughing and having fun and it's a great
thing. So, um, thank you again. So, on a

1239
01:26:19,520 --> 01:26:27,199
more serious note, um, and I want the
township committee to know this because

1240
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:33,600
I've been the subject of five police
complaints filed against me by the Lacy

1241
01:26:30,320 --> 01:26:38,000
School Board President Kim Clauss. All
of these complaints have been unfounded

1242
01:26:35,440 --> 01:26:41,840
and all based on Miss Claus's extreme
paranoia.

1243
01:26:39,760 --> 01:26:46,719
What is even more disturbing is the time
and energy that she has wasted taking up

1244
01:26:44,639 --> 01:26:51,920
our police department's precious time
and resources with her nonsense. This

1245
01:26:49,920 --> 01:26:55,760
last complaint of hers didn't even have
anything really to do with her. And I

1246
01:26:54,159 --> 01:27:00,159
personally think she should be spending
her time running to a therapist instead

1247
01:26:58,239 --> 01:27:04,719
of wasting our police department's time
on her ridiculous complaints. I bring

1248
01:27:02,880 --> 01:27:09,280
this up because the police department is
under the guise of our township

1249
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:14,480
government. Miss Clauss obviously feels
very paranoid about the horrible

1250
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:19,199
decisions she has made which have made a
very negative economic impact on all of

1251
01:27:16,800 --> 01:27:24,159
us in this town. She doesn't like to be
held accountable. But people like her in

1252
01:27:21,679 --> 01:27:28,560
elected office should think before they
act, especially with issues that can

1253
01:27:26,639 --> 01:27:34,159
force many individuals out of their
homes because they can't afford the tax

1254
01:27:31,120 --> 01:27:38,960
increases. It saddens me though that
this is going on and even worse that

1255
01:27:36,960 --> 01:27:43,199
those of you sitting up here have
allowed this to happen without publicly

1256
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:48,080
speaking out against this outrageous
school tax increases over the past

1257
01:27:45,440 --> 01:27:53,199
several years. It makes all of us think
that you just don't care. And maybe it's

1258
01:27:50,719 --> 01:27:58,960
true you don't care because if you did,
you would have spoken out against them.

1259
01:27:56,000 --> 01:28:03,360
What kind of a town are we, I ask, if
our government bodies just make such

1260
01:28:00,880 --> 01:28:08,960
dire financial decisions without
considering the economic impact on our

1261
01:28:05,920 --> 01:28:13,280
town's residents? We also have endured
very hefty tax increases from the

1262
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:19,520
township over the past two years. Now,
this idea of trying to raise our taxes

1263
01:28:15,600 --> 01:28:25,360
even more with a $96 million YMCA is
just totally ludicrous.

1264
01:28:22,239 --> 01:28:30,639
A caring, good town with an emphatic
government does not make dire financial

1265
01:28:28,159 --> 01:28:36,880
decisions on its residents and claim
that it's a nice town. A nice town looks

1266
01:28:33,920 --> 01:28:43,840
after its residents, not make their life
more financially difficult. Take heed.

1267
01:28:40,639 --> 01:28:49,120
Which leads me to this. Deerhead Lake is
a recreational facility that has gone to

1268
01:28:46,800 --> 01:28:54,159
hell over the last several years because
our town government does not want to

1269
01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:58,880
spend the money to maintain and fix it.
It sounds outrageous to me that you want

1270
01:28:56,320 --> 01:29:03,280
us to take on another large financial
burden on a brand new facility when you

1271
01:29:01,520 --> 01:29:08,480
don't even take care of the facilities
you are ready already responsible for.

1272
01:29:06,320 --> 01:29:14,480
This is the epitome of financial
incompetence. Dearhead Lake will not

1273
01:29:11,040 --> 01:29:18,800
cost $96 million to restore to its
former glory. It would be a much better

1274
01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:23,120
beach for the Wibbit, especially
concerning the parking situation over at

1275
01:29:20,960 --> 01:29:27,840
Lake Barnagget, which to me is somewhat
dangerous and inadequate. Restoring the

1276
01:29:26,080 --> 01:29:31,840
platform that used to be out in the
middle of the lake along with the wibbit

1277
01:29:30,080 --> 01:29:36,159
would make Deerhead Lake into a
multi-recreational

1278
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:41,600
facility. I would love to see outdoor
volleyball on the beach along with many

1279
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:46,159
other activities. Let's take care of the
facilities we already own and are

1280
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:52,239
responsible for before even thinking of
a pie in the sky YMCA, which by the way

1281
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:58,400
should not be built with our tax monies
because it is a nonprofit organization

1282
01:29:54,480 --> 01:30:02,880
and not a government entity. Yes, a YMCA
could bring some good things to our

1283
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:08,960
town, but not at the taxpayers's
expense. And it's important and I I find

1284
01:30:07,440 --> 01:30:13,760
a lot of times with government bodies,
you make decisions, you don't seem to

1285
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:18,000
care about the effects that it has on
the people in our town. And as I've

1286
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:21,199
spoken at this body before, my
neighbors, both of them had to sell

1287
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:24,719
their houses last year and get out of
here because they couldn't afford the

1288
01:30:22,560 --> 01:30:28,719
high tax increases.
And you know, you have to look at

1289
01:30:26,239 --> 01:30:32,239
yourself in the mirror and say, "Do I
really care about the people that live

1290
01:30:30,320 --> 01:30:37,600
here?" I know I do because I speak about
this all the time. It's on record. And

1291
01:30:35,360 --> 01:30:41,840
yes, I can afford the taxes. My life has
had dramatic changes in the last past

1292
01:30:39,440 --> 01:30:45,600
two years. And God has looked
wonderfully upon me and has, you know,

1293
01:30:44,080 --> 01:30:49,520
given me the ability that I can do
whatever I want in my life. But the fact

1294
01:30:47,600 --> 01:30:54,159
of the matter is most of the people are
not in the position in this town that I

1295
01:30:51,280 --> 01:30:58,400
am in. But I will fight for those people
because I care for them. And I'm not an

1296
01:30:56,560 --> 01:31:04,080
elected official and I will never run
for public office because the role that

1297
01:31:00,960 --> 01:31:08,320
I play between what I consider myself as
a conduit between the government bodies

1298
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:11,840
in this town and the people is a very
important role. And if I were to leave,

1299
01:31:10,239 --> 01:31:15,760
there isn't anybody in this town who's
capable of standing up to the bodies and

1300
01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:19,440
calling them out the way that I can. And
it's not personal. But I got to tell

1301
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:25,120
you, these police complaints are very
personal. And I've had to file two sets

1302
01:31:23,120 --> 01:31:30,719
of ethics violations against the board
president, which is going to cost the

1303
01:31:26,320 --> 01:31:35,840
taxpayers $10,000 each because of the
insurance plan that the school has. The

1304
01:31:33,440 --> 01:31:40,880
first 10,000 must be paid by the school
district. Now, she also has other ethics

1305
01:31:37,920 --> 01:31:45,199
violations by other people.
The fact of the matter is is that this

1306
01:31:42,639 --> 01:31:50,719
cannot continue. The police department
cannot be used as a political porn.

1307
01:31:47,520 --> 01:31:54,159
» Rich, are you close close to done? Yes.
>> I I know you went over, but if you're

1308
01:31:52,400 --> 01:31:57,600
close to done, I want you to finish.
>> Okay. I'm just saying you can't use the

1309
01:31:56,080 --> 01:32:01,360
police department. Are you guys going to
come after me because I'm saying things

1310
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:04,159
you don't like.
Is this what's going to is this what

1311
01:32:02,719 --> 01:32:09,760
it's going to turn out to be?
>> Well, let me just if I might, Rich, any

1312
01:32:07,360 --> 01:32:13,440
complaint, any complaint, how
>> I know

1313
01:32:10,239 --> 01:32:18,159
» frivolous it is or whatever, the chief
will tell you they must act on it. They

1314
01:32:15,600 --> 01:32:23,199
must investigate it and determine. And
that's that's the role. Now, you think

1315
01:32:20,480 --> 01:32:26,159
it's frivolous. Obviously, she doesn't.
>> Oh, well,

1316
01:32:23,840 --> 01:32:31,280
» you do you do understand, Mr. McDonald,
that there is unfound it's a criminal

1317
01:32:28,400 --> 01:32:33,600
thing to fi file unfounded
complaints.

1318
01:32:31,760 --> 01:32:38,159
» That would be up to the chief and his
investigators to determine. And if and

1319
01:32:35,840 --> 01:32:40,800
if it is that way, he'll refer that to
the prosecutor for charges. It's that

1320
01:32:40,159 --> 01:32:42,960
simple, Rich.
>> Well, that may happen.

1321
01:32:42,080 --> 01:32:47,600
» It may happen.
>> Yes. But to sit there and say that that

1322
01:32:45,520 --> 01:32:48,719
she's crazy or whatever you said she's
nothing

1323
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:55,679
» paranoid.
>> Paran okay paranoid and that then say

1324
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:58,560
that it's the chief. No, the police
wait, let me finish. They have a job to

1325
01:32:57,440 --> 01:33:03,600
do.
>> How f however frivolous it is. I mean,

1326
01:33:01,120 --> 01:33:07,520
I'm sure if you talk to the chief, he
could tell you some great stories about

1327
01:33:05,360 --> 01:33:09,840
some complaints that are bad. I'm sure,
>> you know,

1328
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:14,800
» but the fact is I'm being targeted
because I am speaking out against

1329
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:18,639
» decisions that have been made by a
political body. I'm asking you because

1330
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:21,440
I'm calling you guys out for things that
you're doing. You're going to be filing

1331
01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:24,400
criminal charges against me or, you
know, going to be filing complaints

1332
01:33:22,639 --> 01:33:27,520
against me because I speak out. Are we
going to have we become that kind of a

1333
01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:32,239
town
>> that we can't file I have never filed a

1334
01:33:30,239 --> 01:33:35,520
complaint against anybody?
>> Well, and Rich, I think you already know

1335
01:33:34,480 --> 01:33:41,360
that answer.
>> Yes. You're you're you're in front of us

1336
01:33:37,280 --> 01:33:46,719
enough that that we appreciate what you
say. We respect what you say. And that's

1337
01:33:43,520 --> 01:33:53,199
the nice thing about this country is we
can agree to disagree, move on. You

1338
01:33:50,480 --> 01:34:00,159
know, it's it's you have your opinions,
others have theirs, and we respect that.

1339
01:33:56,159 --> 01:34:03,760
And that's why you won't see that here.
>> Well, I kind of figured that because

1340
01:34:01,760 --> 01:34:08,400
I've been doing this for 15 years,
>> right? So yeah, but the fact of the

1341
01:34:05,360 --> 01:34:12,320
matter is is that this is going on and I
being targeted the way I am and I just

1342
01:34:10,560 --> 01:34:16,320
don't like it. I mean it's
>> for myself. Thank you for letting us

1343
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:22,159
know and
I got to let somebody else speak.

1344
01:34:18,159 --> 01:34:29,800
» Okay, very good. Thank you.
>> Is there anybody else before I know

1345
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:29,800
Steve wanted to come back up. No, Steve.

1346
01:34:34,239 --> 01:34:37,400
Clean up.

1347
01:34:40,880 --> 01:34:48,880
Steve Borrow Fork of River. A couple of
questions. We're going to go back to the

1348
01:34:45,440 --> 01:34:53,120
YMCA and I plan on attending every
meeting until we get the proper answers.

1349
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:58,560
» Okay.
>> Let me ask you first about non-binding

1350
01:34:56,239 --> 01:35:01,199
versus binding. How about
>> I'll let Chris answer that one.

1351
01:35:00,639 --> 01:35:05,199
That's
>> why couldn't that vote be binding?

1352
01:35:04,800 --> 01:35:08,880
» Because
>> and who makes the decision on whether

1353
01:35:07,120 --> 01:35:13,199
it's binding or non-binding?
>> The statute itself, Steve, the statute

1354
01:35:11,520 --> 01:35:17,280
requires that the question be
non-binding.

1355
01:35:15,280 --> 01:35:21,920
» So, municipality. Yeah, it's I think
it's NJSA

1356
01:35:19,440 --> 01:35:26,480
1937-1.
>> Next meeting. Can you give that number

1357
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:30,080
to me so I could read because I really
want to read read the law because a lot

1358
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:34,400
of people don't understand
>> that if we vote it down you all can

1359
01:35:33,440 --> 01:35:36,800
change it.
>> Correct.

1360
01:35:34,960 --> 01:35:40,880
» So what was the purpose of putting it
out?

1361
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:47,040
» It's merely to give municipalities.
It's merely to give It's merely to give

1362
01:35:43,440 --> 01:35:51,199
municipalities an opportunity to acquire
the sentiment of the town on a

1363
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:56,080
particular matter. and not all
municipalities use them.

1364
01:35:53,760 --> 01:36:02,560
» I mean, logically speaking, and you hear
it enough when you come up here, you all

1365
01:35:58,800 --> 01:36:09,920
know you're $32 million in debt. You
word the the question

1366
01:36:05,440 --> 01:36:16,159
without revealing the actual cost of
that building. there should that that

1367
01:36:12,639 --> 01:36:22,239
question needs to be reworked
and all the truth be put in it because

1368
01:36:18,159 --> 01:36:25,360
as it's worded now it only gives the one
number 45 million and there's a lot more

1369
01:36:24,960 --> 01:36:31,360
involved
>> well I I will say I will say this and I

1370
01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:39,840
don't totally disagree with you but
where the questions are required by law

1371
01:36:36,719 --> 01:36:43,840
such as bond issues general obligation
bond issues issued by the state of New

1372
01:36:41,760 --> 01:36:48,400
Jersey. You'll often see on your ballot,
you get your sample ballot, there'll be

1373
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:53,360
a bond question on there. It'll it'll
say the total amount of the bonds. Shall

1374
01:36:51,280 --> 01:36:58,159
the state of New Jersey issue x amount
of bonds? It doesn't give any other cost

1375
01:36:56,480 --> 01:37:02,880
factors because you don't know what the
exact cost figures are going to be. It's

1376
01:37:00,800 --> 01:37:09,679
quite possible that those bonds may be
paid off sooner than their maturity

1377
01:37:06,159 --> 01:37:16,480
date. That happens or refinanced. That
happens. So, you can't put you can only

1378
01:37:13,679 --> 01:37:20,320
if it were to go out 30 years, and I
think that's what you're trying to

1379
01:37:17,679 --> 01:37:25,760
indicate is that the bond is paid over
the 30-year period that yes, it's going

1380
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:30,639
to cost more than the $45 million.
There'll be the interest charges

1381
01:37:27,040 --> 01:37:35,280
themselves. But I think that most
individuals would be able to make that

1382
01:37:33,199 --> 01:37:39,760
assessment on their own. But I'm but
what I'm but what I'm pointing out is

1383
01:37:37,119 --> 01:37:44,880
the boilerplate typical bond issue when
they are required

1384
01:37:42,480 --> 01:37:47,520
» with other entities public entities they
don't list the total they don't list the

1385
01:37:46,480 --> 01:37:50,320
total cost because
>> meaning you can give me the exact

1386
01:37:49,119 --> 01:37:55,119
» I would be happy to
>> I will research it so I can understand

1387
01:37:52,719 --> 01:38:00,080
it because people are asking me why it's
non-binding and what's the purpose if

1388
01:37:57,760 --> 01:38:03,760
it's nonbinding if you all can change
it.

1389
01:38:00,800 --> 01:38:09,440
» Correct. only only to getting a flavor
of how the people think and feel

1390
01:38:06,639 --> 01:38:14,159
» and it's it's only only to gauge it's
only to gauge the sentiment of the

1391
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:18,159
people that live within the township.
That's why the statute was written the

1392
01:38:16,000 --> 01:38:22,960
way it's written. And furthermore, the
statute also imposes a limitation that

1393
01:38:20,239 --> 01:38:27,520
they can only be on questions that
involve um items in which the

1394
01:38:25,199 --> 01:38:30,960
municipality has a control over. So, we
couldn't put a question on a ballot

1395
01:38:29,280 --> 01:38:37,040
non-binding
expressing the sentiment on some other

1396
01:38:33,119 --> 01:38:40,960
issue, a state issue or county issue or
anything else like that. Even though we

1397
01:38:39,199 --> 01:38:46,000
might like to get the sentiment of the
people, we can't. So, that's but that's

1398
01:38:44,000 --> 01:38:50,239
all it is. It's not it's only
instructive to the governing body as to

1399
01:38:48,560 --> 01:38:54,320
how the people feel on a particular
issue. And and Steve, let

1400
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:58,320
» me clarify that somewhat. What I
>> But I'll give you I'll give you the I'll

1401
01:38:56,080 --> 01:39:02,400
give you the the information, Steve.
>> All right, switching gears.

1402
01:38:59,440 --> 01:39:06,800
» And Steve, just for one real second,
>> just one quick thing, and I I understand

1403
01:39:04,960 --> 01:39:08,960
the skepticism between a bonding and
non-bonding thing.

1404
01:39:07,840 --> 01:39:13,199
» People are saying, "Well, what the hell
is a good understandable?" Because I

1405
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:19,360
talked to a lot of people, and I'm
trying to explain it, and I said, "I

1406
01:39:15,040 --> 01:39:24,320
really don't know." But on the minutes
on tape, like Chris said before, you

1407
01:39:21,920 --> 01:39:28,800
need two it would be take two/3 majority
of this governing body to override it.

1408
01:39:27,119 --> 01:39:34,960
Number one. So that's four of us set out
of five. Okay. Everybody's been pulled

1409
01:39:32,400 --> 01:39:42,159
on camera here.
There is not the support no matter what

1410
01:39:39,600 --> 01:39:48,480
to override that vote.
>> And you know me long enough. I know your

1411
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:53,360
word is good. Yes, your word is good.
and and and a lot of and a lot of other

1412
01:39:50,719 --> 01:39:54,800
committee people had had said they would
>> what about me

1413
01:39:54,320 --> 01:39:57,280
» and
>> and

1414
01:39:56,560 --> 01:40:00,960
» but
>> how could I leave you with

1415
01:39:58,400 --> 01:40:04,400
» you know and and I only say this because
it it keeps coming up and I I think

1416
01:40:02,880 --> 01:40:08,239
people do need to know that the
information you're talking about but

1417
01:40:06,239 --> 01:40:12,000
this committee as a whole for the most
part has said they are not going against

1418
01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:16,320
oh don't
>> the feelings of the people binding or

1419
01:40:14,560 --> 01:40:22,159
not let's get his other question
>> real quick Yes.

1420
01:40:19,119 --> 01:40:28,320
» Tell us about the initial meeting with
the YMCA.

1421
01:40:24,560 --> 01:40:33,600
Who put the proposal on the table
regarding free land and free building?

1422
01:40:32,320 --> 01:40:41,440
Because you're saying you're still
negotiating this. The the bottom line of

1423
01:40:36,719 --> 01:40:47,760
negotiations is to find out the purpose
and find out the bottom line.

1424
01:40:45,440 --> 01:40:55,199
You don't do that afterwards. You do all
the fringe stuff. Tell me. I need to

1425
01:40:51,119 --> 01:41:02,000
know what happened. Who initiated
the free building? Was it you guys? Was

1426
01:40:58,560 --> 01:41:10,800
it the YMCA convincing you? We need to
know. People ask me, "How in the world

1427
01:41:06,719 --> 01:41:16,880
would any government body use the
township tax money to provide an alleged

1428
01:41:14,400 --> 01:41:22,800
nonprofit?" And after I seen the
salaries of what them people make and

1429
01:41:19,520 --> 01:41:28,560
the and the golden benefits they have,
it it really first of all, like I said,

1430
01:41:26,800 --> 01:41:35,040
all
nonprofit unions have organic law on how

1431
01:41:32,320 --> 01:41:39,040
they run because they control their own
money.

1432
01:41:36,560 --> 01:41:45,119
And it's a falsehood when they put
specifically in writing that the money

1433
01:41:41,760 --> 01:41:52,239
goes back into the building. That is BS.
Some of it goes back. But who's paying

1434
01:41:48,880 --> 01:42:00,560
the salaries of the YMCA executives? How
do they get paid? How does the national

1435
01:41:54,880 --> 01:42:05,840
YMCA CEO who makes $830,000
a year? What does she do? Just like with

1436
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:10,400
the YMCA here, we're going to have a
committee of volunteers to see how it

1437
01:42:07,760 --> 01:42:15,600
runs. Yet, we're going to pay a CEO
$420,000.

1438
01:42:12,960 --> 01:42:21,199
Administrators, overseers, there's a
whole line of them. And they all make

1439
01:42:17,840 --> 01:42:27,199
six figures from like 115,000
up to 420.

1440
01:42:24,080 --> 01:42:33,600
Tell me how
the initial meeting happened, who said

1441
01:42:30,719 --> 01:42:40,800
what, and why did they say it? Did you
guys go in with a plan or you just went

1442
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:47,520
in with a blindfold on? What happened?
How did we get to this point? I have

1443
01:42:44,239 --> 01:42:52,800
researched a month now to find any
nonprofit that had the land given and

1444
01:42:50,560 --> 01:42:57,760
the building given to them and there
isn't one that I found. So, I'm going to

1445
01:42:55,280 --> 01:43:04,159
t I I want to put you guys to test
because next meeting I'm going to ask

1446
01:43:00,080 --> 01:43:10,159
you what other nonprofit operates solely
on tax money and all their

1447
01:43:06,800 --> 01:43:16,159
administrators make all this money. It
It just It doesn't make sense to me.

1448
01:43:13,119 --> 01:43:21,600
Like I said, if I ran my family like you
guys are running this YMCA thing, I'd be

1449
01:43:18,960 --> 01:43:27,199
living in a straw hut out in the Pine
Baron somewhere.

1450
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:32,800
So someone tell us what happened at the
initial meeting, how who set the

1451
01:43:30,000 --> 01:43:37,119
parameters because the first thing is I
would say who owns the land, who's

1452
01:43:35,199 --> 01:43:42,560
paying for the building, who's going to
maintain it, blah blah blah. That's the

1453
01:43:40,239 --> 01:43:43,840
everything else is window drafts.
>> Yes.

1454
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:45,840
» Thank you, Steve.
>> Thank you.

1455
01:43:44,320 --> 01:43:48,639
» You don't have any other
>> Steve. I thought you had another

1456
01:43:47,199 --> 01:43:50,880
question. Did you have another question
you want to ask?

1457
01:43:49,440 --> 01:43:54,080
» No, I asked enough for
>> All right.

1458
01:43:52,400 --> 01:43:58,239
» Don't worry. I'll be at next meeting.
>> All right. Is there anybody else?

1459
01:43:56,800 --> 01:44:00,239
» Seeing none, I'll make a motion to close
the floor.

1460
01:43:58,800 --> 01:44:01,840
» Second.
>> Second.

1461
01:44:00,960 --> 01:44:03,360
» All in favor?
>> All in favor?

1462
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:05,840
» Resolution.
>> So, no one's going to tell us.

1463
01:44:04,960 --> 01:44:07,840
» Oh, you want it?
>> Oh, we

1464
01:44:06,320 --> 01:44:13,199
» I want someone to tell us and no one's
going to answer.

1465
01:44:09,040 --> 01:44:16,960
» Well, someone mayor is not her talk.
>> I've been sitting through all the

1466
01:44:14,800 --> 01:44:21,920
meetings with him. So, in August of
2020, I need to go back that far. As you

1467
01:44:19,679 --> 01:44:25,600
know, we were embarking on possibly
building a new facility for um the

1468
01:44:24,320 --> 01:44:31,280
municipal building and police department
and an indoor recreation facility on our

1469
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:35,520
own. And um what happened is um during
COVID there was a lot of um different

1470
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:40,719
meetings we all sat in on and Johnson
Controls um offers a lot of um

1471
01:44:38,320 --> 01:44:46,080
incentives were like HBAC, clean air,
you know, a lot of that stuff came out

1472
01:44:42,080 --> 01:44:49,679
during CO and they had um I was talking
to one of the representatives about you

1473
01:44:48,159 --> 01:44:51,920
know we have we have very faulty air
conditioning here and stuff like that

1474
01:44:50,719 --> 01:44:56,560
and we talked about the age of the
building the whole 10 yards and then he

1475
01:44:53,360 --> 01:45:00,560
said hey listen we um are a reinvestor
in properties to build a municipal but

1476
01:44:58,719 --> 01:45:05,600
to build new facilities. Would you be
interested in talking to us about a

1477
01:45:02,960 --> 01:45:09,920
financing program the P3 public private
partnership where we would be your

1478
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:13,199
financer and we would um o you know
oversee the building and do all of that

1479
01:45:11,760 --> 01:45:17,840
and help you build a new building. So
that's where that started. Fast forward

1480
01:45:15,520 --> 01:45:22,400
to when all of that fell apart as you
know during that time frame John Kelly

1481
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:27,600
who is the CFO of the YMCA and he has
since passed away reached out to me

1482
01:45:24,880 --> 01:45:31,199
probably what is this 2026 probably four
years ago to say hey listen we've been

1483
01:45:29,440 --> 01:45:35,119
I've been following the new you know all
the items in the news and on social

1484
01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:39,280
media related to your uh public private
partnership would you be interested in

1485
01:45:37,119 --> 01:45:43,280
sitting down and talking with the YMCA
about building a facility in your town

1486
01:45:41,360 --> 01:45:48,159
because we're looking to expand into
this the mid into southern part of Ocean

1487
01:45:45,679 --> 01:45:52,000
County. So I spoke with uh I believe
Steve was the c Steve was mayor that

1488
01:45:49,840 --> 01:45:55,360
year as well and I approached Steve and
he says yes let's engage and take the

1489
01:45:53,679 --> 01:46:00,159
conversation to see what they have to
offer. So at the time it did not come

1490
01:45:57,840 --> 01:46:03,600
out in meeting one that we want to
maintain control over the land. Okay

1491
01:46:02,239 --> 01:46:07,440
that that is one of the things we didn't
say that in meeting one. So we sat down

1492
01:46:05,920 --> 01:46:10,880
we talked about you know what are they
looking for? What are they looking to

1493
01:46:08,639 --> 01:46:16,320
do? H how you know none of those
intimate details about ownership and

1494
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:20,400
financing or rent or no rent came out in
the initial details and we had a second

1495
01:46:18,480 --> 01:46:23,520
meeting and then we started to engage
committee members to say is this

1496
01:46:21,920 --> 01:46:27,280
something we want to pursue is this
further because you know time is money

1497
01:46:25,440 --> 01:46:30,719
so you know you have me sitting in our
meetings Steve sitting in our meetings

1498
01:46:28,639 --> 01:46:34,400
other you know our recreation director
our CFO sitting in our meetings so time

1499
01:46:32,560 --> 01:46:39,760
is money so right so do we even want to
embark on that so as time went on and it

1500
01:46:36,719 --> 01:46:45,199
was quite some time before it came out
that they are not favorable in paying

1501
01:46:43,360 --> 01:46:49,840
rent. Okay, so let let's put it that
way. And we were all shocked. We were

1502
01:46:47,360 --> 01:46:54,639
all shocked. We're like, "Oh, okay." Um
that that's not a model that we

1503
01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:57,199
anticipated, you know. So we are still
negotiating to get some kind of rent.

1504
01:46:56,400 --> 01:47:00,000
It's not
>> you just paid why don't they pay the

1505
01:46:58,719 --> 01:47:03,840
mortgage?
>> Why don't they It's 3.2 million.

1506
01:47:02,639 --> 01:47:07,920
» We're not saying that. We're not saying
that they rent, mortgage, however you

1507
01:47:05,920 --> 01:47:13,360
want it. However you want to equate it.
Okay, rent would go towards the the bond

1508
01:47:10,320 --> 01:47:17,360
payment. Okay, so um they would they
would run the facilities. Um they would

1509
01:47:15,440 --> 01:47:22,000
run the programs, they would hire the
staffing, they would pay for all of that

1510
01:47:19,360 --> 01:47:27,600
based on how they receive their money,
membership fees, uh donations, grants,

1511
01:47:25,520 --> 01:47:31,520
stuff like that, right? And that we
would jointly apply for grants to try to

1512
01:47:29,679 --> 01:47:35,360
see if we could get money to build the
facility. There are a lot of grants out

1513
01:47:33,520 --> 01:47:40,400
there. there maybe are benefactors that
might want to cough up some money to do

1514
01:47:37,760 --> 01:47:44,639
that. So this is like I said this is
still a work in progress as to whether

1515
01:47:41,920 --> 01:47:47,679
or not they're we're paying 45 million
for a building or maybe we're only

1516
01:47:46,000 --> 01:47:51,760
paying 30 million for a building. Okay,
if we get grants and benefactors and so

1517
01:47:49,600 --> 01:47:56,560
on and so forth and whatever other um
additional money that they can get. But

1518
01:47:53,520 --> 01:48:01,360
yes, it did come out gosh months I have
to say of what their proforma would look

1519
01:47:59,600 --> 01:48:05,280
like as to an agreement they would like
to see with the township of Lake Real

1520
01:48:03,679 --> 01:48:11,119
quick, I have seen where there are
grants and opportunities. Is the

1521
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:15,760
township engaged in getting grants and
some kind of money help on the cost of

1522
01:48:15,199 --> 01:48:19,280
the building?
>> We plan to but to to expand being done

1523
01:48:19,040 --> 01:48:24,000
now.
>> No, to expand the expense because

1524
01:48:21,199 --> 01:48:28,080
sometimes inhouse we're not necessarily
capable of filling out the grants and

1525
01:48:26,080 --> 01:48:31,040
doing that. you have to hire maybe some
grant writers to help you because it's

1526
01:48:29,600 --> 01:48:36,159
all about creative writing and all of
that and it it's very proprietary

1527
01:48:33,199 --> 01:48:39,840
certain grants. So why again you're
yelling at us for spending the money on

1528
01:48:38,080 --> 01:48:43,280
the professionals to do some of the leg
work that they did. Now you want me to

1529
01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:46,080
spend more money to write a grant that I
might not even be building a building

1530
01:48:44,480 --> 01:48:49,920
yet until we know what the question is.
But we do I mean a few years ago I was

1531
01:48:48,400 --> 01:48:53,600
very successful with getting a
congressional district spending grant.

1532
01:48:51,520 --> 01:48:57,040
That's where and the YMCA got quite a
bit of money out of congressional

1533
01:48:55,119 --> 01:49:01,520
district spending for upgrades to their
facilities throughout Ocean and Mammoth

1534
01:48:58,880 --> 01:49:06,000
County. We got 6 million to finish the
railroad rightway road which again will

1535
01:49:04,239 --> 01:49:08,639
complete that on the south side and the
north side. We are working with the

1536
01:49:07,360 --> 01:49:12,639
federal government to get the funds
released. So there is funding out there

1537
01:49:10,159 --> 01:49:16,400
that we can definitely apply for and a
joint application may be looked upon

1538
01:49:14,400 --> 01:49:20,159
more favorably than a single application
if the Y and US partner. Sometimes it's

1539
01:49:18,560 --> 01:49:23,840
looked upon more favorably but we plan
to do that. There might be recreation

1540
01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:28,000
grants out there. There may be, like I
said, benefactors out there. There may

1541
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:31,199
be um other types of mental health
grants and everything. And you can

1542
01:49:29,119 --> 01:49:36,480
combine all them and work them together
to help you offset the costs.

1543
01:49:33,119 --> 01:49:40,800
» Okay. So, the answer is the YMCA
initiated. Yes.

1544
01:49:38,000 --> 01:49:43,360
» And it wasn't favorable to them to pay
any rent.

1545
01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:47,520
» Well, that's their model. That's their
model. They said that's what they say.

1546
01:49:45,360 --> 01:49:51,920
And did they give you any examples of
other buildings that they had built for

1547
01:49:50,080 --> 01:49:56,159
them that they now occupy?
>> Most of the time they have occupy not

1548
01:49:54,400 --> 01:50:01,760
new buildings. I would have to say um
repurposed buildings um in most of them.

1549
01:49:58,880 --> 01:50:06,960
Um but I believe uh I think Bridgewater
is Bridgewater Townships building

1550
01:50:05,679 --> 01:50:11,600
» uh there's a
>> bridge

1551
01:50:08,480 --> 01:50:15,520
» uh what's it Berkeley Heights um summit
>> the bridge wise

1552
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:20,080
» there are there there is that model out
there that yes like they'll run it on

1553
01:50:17,679 --> 01:50:24,080
behalf of the town and it's the town's
facilities. Uh, in fact, uh, Berkeley

1554
01:50:22,480 --> 01:50:28,800
Heights, the pool is an outdoor pool,
not an indoor pool, and it's Berkeley

1555
01:50:25,520 --> 01:50:32,400
Heights pool, and the the YMCA runs it
for Berkeley Heights, but it's there.

1556
01:50:30,719 --> 01:50:38,639
» I'm not seeing that.
>> Yeah, it's there. I I mean, I looked at

1557
01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:42,800
a big um there's one out in
I want to say Nebraska. There's a huge

1558
01:50:40,719 --> 01:50:48,080
facility out in Nebraska and it's a
joint effort between multiple entities

1559
01:50:44,719 --> 01:50:52,960
including the YMCA. And you know there's
you know reduced revenue that they're

1560
01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:57,040
paying or rent that they're paying in
the town is offsetting it with what the

1561
01:50:55,280 --> 01:51:01,760
property and the buildings are.
>> So when is the rent issue going to be

1562
01:51:00,159 --> 01:51:06,000
made public?
>> I guess once we settle that discussion

1563
01:51:04,080 --> 01:51:10,560
the new one that's going up in Hopewell
Valley area the town I think it's uh

1564
01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:14,960
Pennington if I'm not mistaken it's
three municipalities. They are um it's

1565
01:51:13,360 --> 01:51:21,840
part of a redevelopment plan and the
town owns the the um the land and the

1566
01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:25,679
town will be um three towns will be
looking to possibly build the building

1567
01:51:23,679 --> 01:51:28,560
that's under negotiations. It's very in
its infancy stages.

1568
01:51:28,159 --> 01:51:30,480
» Yeah.
>> Three towns.

1569
01:51:29,520 --> 01:51:34,960
» Yes.
>> Get Bayville and they're small little

1570
01:51:32,159 --> 01:51:38,080
towns out there um next to each other.
So yeah, I mean listen

1571
01:51:36,480 --> 01:51:42,320
» and we don't know we don't know the
financial

1572
01:51:40,080 --> 01:51:44,560
» status of the townships
>> because

1573
01:51:42,800 --> 01:51:47,920
» you're correct.
>> The administrator the administrator from

1574
01:51:47,199 --> 01:51:51,280
million
>> the administrator from Hopewell Valley

1575
01:51:49,520 --> 01:51:54,639
was here at a couple of our meetings and
sat in the audience and listened to what

1576
01:51:52,960 --> 01:52:00,639
was going on.
>> Is it possible I one of the next

1577
01:51:56,960 --> 01:52:04,719
meetings have a YMCA executive
come to the meeting because I I got some

1578
01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:07,679
real
uh questions I want to ask them about

1579
01:52:06,719 --> 01:52:09,840
their organization.
>> You can ask

1580
01:52:09,199 --> 01:52:13,440
» I mean I know
>> ask you don't get

1581
01:52:10,639 --> 01:52:18,639
» I know myself I you know I've actually
even mentioned to uh Veron I refer to

1582
01:52:16,880 --> 01:52:22,880
the word Veronica professionally not my
sister

1583
01:52:20,800 --> 01:52:26,960
uh I would like to see somebody from the
Y at some of these meetings myself. So

1584
01:52:25,280 --> 01:52:33,760
because there are questions there are
questions that I myself and you have

1585
01:52:30,880 --> 01:52:38,239
that we might not be able to answer but
they can. So I I think it's very

1586
01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:41,199
important myself. But with that all
right let's move on. We close.

1587
01:52:39,679 --> 01:52:44,480
» Our next meeting is September 10th
though just so you know that

1588
01:52:43,040 --> 01:52:48,560
» it's not in two weeks. It's September
10th.

1589
01:52:46,400 --> 01:52:50,320
» All right. Committee comments and I'm
going to switch it.

1590
01:52:49,440 --> 01:52:53,440
» We're done.
>> No.

1591
01:52:51,040 --> 01:52:56,320
» Yes. Yes. We close that.
I'm going to switch it around a little

1592
01:52:54,960 --> 01:53:02,000
bit.
>> And Mr. Cartello, you're first.

1593
01:52:59,119 --> 01:53:05,360
» Thank you, Deputy Mayor. Um, just want
to thank everyone for coming out

1594
01:53:03,360 --> 01:53:10,400
tonight. I encourage whether there's
agreement or disagreement uh for folks

1595
01:53:07,840 --> 01:53:15,040
to come out and say their peace. A lot
of people were in the military and died

1596
01:53:13,199 --> 01:53:20,239
for your right to do so. So, I'm glad
you're here. I'm glad you vote. And I'm

1597
01:53:17,520 --> 01:53:25,760
glad you're active. Um, so that's the
people's m microphone.

1598
01:53:22,719 --> 01:53:31,840
And as I have said last time,
if I don't do the will of the people,

1599
01:53:29,920 --> 01:53:36,080
kick me right out. I'm going to do the
will of the people. I will take a

1600
01:53:33,440 --> 01:53:42,000
picture of it. I will stand true to Mr.
Flynn and the other 30,000 people in our

1601
01:53:39,040 --> 01:53:46,560
town. Regardless of what that is, that's
what I'm going to do. I will take I will

1602
01:53:44,000 --> 01:53:53,199
take a picture of how I vote in that
booth. If I'm allowed, I would call

1603
01:53:51,280 --> 01:53:56,960
the Division of Elections and ask that
because the people deserve that, not

1604
01:53:54,960 --> 01:54:00,880
just somebody saying something. They
deserve that.

1605
01:53:58,800 --> 01:54:04,639
Um, there's some good stuff in the town.
We had the 100th anniversary at a

1606
01:54:02,400 --> 01:54:08,400
library and so I want that to be
recognized as well and do things for our

1607
01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:13,280
seniors, our school children, and
everybody in the middle. I was at a

1608
01:54:10,239 --> 01:54:17,840
meeting uh 48 hours ago uh in our
community hall. So, I want people to

1609
01:54:15,840 --> 01:54:24,639
know about this. So, I'm always talking
about controlling what we can control.

1610
01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:31,119
And there's a Senate bill 1786 that
talks about accessory dwelling units.

1611
01:54:28,560 --> 01:54:35,520
This is this is big brother on overload.
This is this is real steroid stuff. I

1612
01:54:33,599 --> 01:54:41,360
mean, this is them coming into your
town, literally in your house and in

1613
01:54:38,080 --> 01:54:45,520
your backyard. Um, will affect every one
of our municipalities. It'll affect our

1614
01:54:43,840 --> 01:54:51,599
home values. It'll affect our way of
life. And it'll affect our schools. So,

1615
01:54:48,000 --> 01:54:56,639
an accessory dwelling unit as defined by
S1786,

1616
01:54:54,080 --> 01:55:01,360
that's Senate Bill 1786. You can see
this right on Google, establishes

1617
01:54:58,800 --> 01:55:07,040
statewide standards to permit accessory
dwelling units or ADUs. I'm just saying

1618
01:55:03,679 --> 01:55:13,440
» bill requires municipalities to allow
attached or detached secondary housing

1619
01:55:09,599 --> 01:55:21,280
units as of as of right on single and
two family lots uh to combat quote the

1620
01:55:17,199 --> 01:55:26,320
state's housing shortage and crisis.
Permitted usages mandates that towns

1621
01:55:23,679 --> 01:55:33,400
allow accessory del uh accessory
dwelling units as a ministerial action.

1622
01:55:29,440 --> 01:55:33,400
Fast track approval

1623
01:55:34,239 --> 01:55:42,400
applies to internal spaces, basement,
attics, attached additions, garage

1624
01:55:39,760 --> 01:55:46,719
conversions, or detached backyard
cottages.

1625
01:55:44,639 --> 01:55:51,760
So, if there's ever anything that can
almost immediately impact quality of

1626
01:55:49,360 --> 01:55:56,320
life, traffic for our good friends and
families out in Bamber, most of those

1627
01:55:53,840 --> 01:56:00,880
folks are on uh septic and sewer. And
you have a three bedroom or a

1628
01:55:58,080 --> 01:56:05,360
two-bedroom home, a cottage uh built
back in the 60s or early 70s. All of a

1629
01:56:03,520 --> 01:56:09,679
sudden, now you got a big enough yard,
you could have seven, eight, nine, 10,

1630
01:56:07,360 --> 01:56:14,560
11, 12 people. Now, it's a health issue
because your septic and sewer can't

1631
01:56:11,840 --> 01:56:20,800
handle 12 humans because it was built to
handle three. Um, and we see that at the

1632
01:56:18,000 --> 01:56:24,719
county level in different areas. So, I
want you to pay attention to this.

1633
01:56:22,560 --> 01:56:30,000
Regardless of whether you agree with us,
don't like us, vote for us, don't vote

1634
01:56:27,040 --> 01:56:35,840
for us. The skin in this game is real.
This is real. And you got people outside

1635
01:56:32,719 --> 01:56:42,080
of here want to enforce and tell you how
you can live. Require us to give out

1636
01:56:39,199 --> 01:56:46,800
permits for this. This will change the
face of the town like nothing else. So

1637
01:56:44,960 --> 01:56:51,199
if you don't like data centers, you
don't like building. Imagine this.

1638
01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:55,199
You're just having your coffee and all
of a sudden maybe you don't see the

1639
01:56:52,800 --> 01:56:59,599
water anymore. All of a sudden you see a
20 foot structure on your back door

1640
01:56:57,679 --> 01:57:05,040
neighbor in the fence and it just blocks
everything. It's for real, folks. It's

1641
01:57:02,400 --> 01:57:09,760
happening. I want you to know about it.
I want Senate Bill

1642
01:57:08,239 --> 01:57:14,480
1786.
And if I'm not mistaken, and I'll I'll

1643
01:57:11,679 --> 01:57:18,480
ask our our former mayor and our current
uh township council. So when the bill

1644
01:57:16,400 --> 01:57:20,880
reaches the Senate level, it already got
through the assembly.

1645
01:57:19,840 --> 01:57:24,480
» Not necessarily.
>> Okay.

1646
01:57:21,760 --> 01:57:31,119
» Uh there's no um
>> means of origin. It can it can begin in

1647
01:57:28,639 --> 01:57:34,880
the Senate or it can be get in assembly
or there can be companion measures. In

1648
01:57:33,199 --> 01:57:40,400
other words, that they move
simultaneously in each house. That

1649
01:57:37,199 --> 01:57:44,400
usually speeds up the time with which an
bill can get to the governor's desk. But

1650
01:57:43,119 --> 01:57:48,480
just because there's a bill in the
Senate doesn't mean that the bill has

1651
01:57:46,159 --> 01:57:52,880
passed through the assembly. So the
take-home point, thank you, council. The

1652
01:57:50,320 --> 01:57:56,719
take-home point is please stand
shoulder-to-shoulder on this. Regardless

1653
01:57:54,560 --> 01:57:59,840
of where you come out, regardless of of
your political strike, stand

1654
01:57:58,239 --> 01:58:05,119
shoulder-to-shoulder on it, educate
yourself, and have a voice. This will

1655
01:58:02,960 --> 01:58:08,320
change the face of our town. Thank you,
Deputy Mayor. Thank you, Pete. Uh, Mr.

1656
01:58:07,520 --> 01:58:14,239
McDonald.
>> Thank you, Deputy May.

1657
01:58:11,360 --> 01:58:20,159
» My big beef lately
has been what was discovered

1658
01:58:17,440 --> 01:58:24,080
by our current governor about the
illegal

1659
01:58:21,679 --> 01:58:31,679
people in the voting roles
and that 440 of them of the 6,500

1660
01:58:28,880 --> 01:58:37,440
absolutely voted. Now, they say how it
didn't affect any any elections. Okay.

1661
01:58:35,199 --> 01:58:42,480
tell me where they voted and then let's
look at the elections. So I would

1662
01:58:39,760 --> 01:58:47,280
recommend to this council that we write
a letter to the attorney general for the

1663
01:58:45,599 --> 01:58:54,560
state of New Jersey who is in charge of
elections and demand what steps he's

1664
01:58:52,000 --> 01:59:00,480
taking to make sure that our voter roles
are clean and they have only people who

1665
01:58:57,760 --> 01:59:06,080
are eligible to vote. And two, if he
catches people who are voting illegally,

1666
01:59:03,119 --> 01:59:13,119
what steps is he going to take? This is
craziness. What's going on? You know,

1667
01:59:10,159 --> 01:59:19,679
it it's this is only New Jersey. Can you
imagine what's going on in California?

1668
01:59:16,800 --> 01:59:22,880
How about Illinois? How about Michigan?
How about some of these other crazy

1669
01:59:21,119 --> 01:59:24,880
states that are out there? Indiana
>> happened in Texas.

1670
01:59:24,239 --> 01:59:29,840
» What's that?
>> It happened in Texas. that happens. I I

1671
01:59:27,280 --> 01:59:31,280
firm I I firmly believe Wait, let me
finish. Let me finish.

1672
01:59:30,639 --> 01:59:38,239
» All right.
>> I firmly believe this happens in every

1673
01:59:34,960 --> 01:59:42,080
state. And I think it's time for our
state official who is in charge of these

1674
01:59:39,840 --> 01:59:48,480
elections
to take a stand, get involved with this,

1675
01:59:44,880 --> 01:59:53,119
and tell us how is he going to stop it?
Because if it's one election now, it's

1676
01:59:51,280 --> 01:59:59,040
now let me explain. It's not going to be
the governor or a a a congressman or or

1677
01:59:57,840 --> 02:00:03,760
a senator.
>> It's going to be here that these

1678
02:00:00,880 --> 02:00:09,920
elections are going to be affected by
the local level, maybe the county level,

1679
02:00:07,199 --> 02:00:15,280
but that's wrong. You're going to get
the wrong person that the people didn't

1680
02:00:11,520 --> 02:00:20,159
want sitting in these spots. So, I would
hope that we could do that and we all

1681
02:00:18,080 --> 02:00:22,639
sign it and send it up and see what
happened. Deputy Mayor, that's all I

1682
02:00:21,920 --> 02:00:28,719
have.
>> Thank you for that good suggestion.

1683
02:00:26,800 --> 02:00:34,080
Juliano here.
>> Thank you, Deputy Mayor.

1684
02:00:32,239 --> 02:00:37,920
Yeah, that was what I informed them of
the last time. Okay, first I just want

1685
02:00:35,920 --> 02:00:43,119
to say thank you to Mr. Bitnik for
saying something nice about our our

1686
02:00:40,320 --> 02:00:49,920
township tonight. I I truly appreciate
it. I I KNOW. That's why Did you see me

1687
02:00:47,840 --> 02:00:53,520
clapping my hands?
I WAS SO HAPPY about that for a change.

1688
02:00:53,040 --> 02:00:59,520
Um
>> we'll see Rich on the swings on

1689
02:00:57,119 --> 02:01:07,840
» on another happy note. We got a nice u
little message about our um

1690
02:01:03,599 --> 02:01:11,920
» yeah EMS Captain Ray Benedict and his uh
another gentleman that was with him was

1691
02:01:09,280 --> 02:01:15,840
Matt. The situation that a family had a
medical emergency. they were out at a

1692
02:01:13,760 --> 02:01:20,080
restaurant and she just wanted us to
know how wonderful they treated her and

1693
02:01:18,000 --> 02:01:24,480
took care of her and followed up with
her. So I it's always nice to get those

1694
02:01:22,560 --> 02:01:30,560
kind of compliments to tell you the
truth. Um on August 6th I had note told

1695
02:01:28,400 --> 02:01:35,440
everybody about this at the last meeting
about there uh going to hold a tax

1696
02:01:33,119 --> 02:01:40,960
relief uh filing event and it really
turned out very well there. Um it was

1697
02:01:39,040 --> 02:01:44,800
for the senior freeze the anchor the New
Jersey program there. There were 49

1698
02:01:43,119 --> 02:01:48,719
people that showed up for the
information and that's really wonderful

1699
02:01:46,719 --> 02:01:52,639
that they had the opportunity to do
that. That's why I had announced it

1700
02:01:50,880 --> 02:01:56,320
because even myself filling out
paperwork sometimes is a little tricky.

1701
02:01:54,560 --> 02:02:00,639
So, it's nice that somebody was there to
kind of walk them through each step of

1702
02:01:58,239 --> 02:02:06,000
that which was a good showing from for
the people and they were all very

1703
02:02:02,080 --> 02:02:10,560
appreciative of that. Um, the other
thing I wanted to tell you is that next

1704
02:02:07,679 --> 02:02:17,199
Saturday is our 5K here. Our municipal
alliance runs a 5K race. Um Heather does

1705
02:02:14,800 --> 02:02:23,599
a phenomenal job, but it's it's a big
undertaking and anybody that has extra

1706
02:02:20,800 --> 02:02:28,239
time next Saturday, come on out and help
her. Mr. Bidnik, she would love you to

1707
02:02:26,560 --> 02:02:31,760
help her.
>> A water station. Maybe a water station.

1708
02:02:29,840 --> 02:02:35,040
» Water station. Anything. Sometimes it's
just even even just watching that you

1709
02:02:33,840 --> 02:02:38,960
know the kids because there's a lot of
kids involved. There's a little thing

1710
02:02:36,400 --> 02:02:42,880
for them to do. So, she can always use
the help. So, if there's anybody that's

1711
02:02:40,560 --> 02:02:47,599
available next Saturday, get that's it.
Get your steps in. All of the above. So,

1712
02:02:45,520 --> 02:02:50,960
it it would be a great uh opportunity
for you. But other than that, Deputy

1713
02:02:49,440 --> 02:02:53,840
Mayor, I'm I'm good.
>> Thank you.

1714
02:02:52,480 --> 02:02:58,159
» First of all, I want to thank everybody
for coming out tonight, you know, with

1715
02:02:55,840 --> 02:03:02,080
your questions and comments. We do we do
we do hear you, you know, whether we

1716
02:03:00,159 --> 02:03:08,000
agree or disagree, but I do appreciate
you coming out. I want to give a warning

1717
02:03:04,960 --> 02:03:12,320
on the 5K.
with good intentions. Sometimes you go

1718
02:03:10,320 --> 02:03:16,239
to help
and then if you're stupid like me, you

1719
02:03:15,040 --> 02:03:22,159
listen to everybody that's going to walk
the 5K and you join in. At 69 years old

1720
02:03:20,159 --> 02:03:29,040
or anywhere like that, do not do your
first 5K cold duck.

1721
02:03:25,599 --> 02:03:34,159
» I did finish. Time wasn't bad, but I
ended up with a knee problem for almost

1722
02:03:31,119 --> 02:03:40,239
another year or so. But it's easy. It's
a great event. It ra it's uh fantastic.

1723
02:03:37,440 --> 02:03:44,320
It's well attended, but it's easy to get
sucked in and join everybody because you

1724
02:03:42,480 --> 02:03:48,080
know what? Everybody says they were
going to walk and we all walk a lot of

1725
02:03:45,920 --> 02:03:53,840
steps a day. When they shoot that gun,
everybody takes off like a rabbit. So,

1726
02:03:50,960 --> 02:03:59,520
just be careful. Again,
I want to thank uh the ex uh exit 74 for

1727
02:03:57,599 --> 02:04:01,840
their art exhibit and putting it around
because I tell you what, all night long

1728
02:04:01,199 --> 02:04:04,080
I've been looking
>> really nice

1729
02:04:02,480 --> 02:04:07,040
» looking at this and it looks a lot
better than the

1730
02:04:05,599 --> 02:04:12,560
» I think some of them pictures were older
than the walls in this room.

1731
02:04:09,920 --> 02:04:19,520
Uh this past month, one of the big
events that did go on was the uh library

1732
02:04:16,639 --> 02:04:24,239
event. Uh I guess it was 50 years for
our library being part of the system.

1733
02:04:21,679 --> 02:04:25,760
It's also the library system's 100 years
old.

1734
02:04:24,880 --> 02:04:30,800
» 150
>> 150 years old. And

1735
02:04:28,159 --> 02:04:36,159
» no it's not 100.
>> It's older than us.

1736
02:04:32,719 --> 02:04:43,000
» And our old and our oldest librarian got
to speak that night and she's actually

1737
02:04:37,760 --> 02:04:43,000
in the audience tonight. Uh Mrs. Pat.

1738
02:04:47,520 --> 02:04:55,239
with her big smile.
>> It was fun and thank you very much for

1739
02:04:52,239 --> 02:04:55,239
attending.

1740
02:04:57,040 --> 02:05:05,679
» Oh, I wanted to make a comment towards
something you said, Pete, about voting

1741
02:05:02,400 --> 02:05:12,239
and vote get taking a picture of it.
If I'm right, the what we're committing

1742
02:05:09,199 --> 02:05:16,800
to is not our vote in the voting booth.
What we're concerned about, which will

1743
02:05:14,560 --> 02:05:23,119
be on tape in front of everybody
>> and on TV, is the vote of how we're

1744
02:05:21,119 --> 02:05:27,679
going to stand behind the people.
>> So, I don't I don't think I don't think

1745
02:05:25,360 --> 02:05:32,239
the voting uh having to check with the
county on that. Uh this is something

1746
02:05:29,679 --> 02:05:34,080
personally we got to do up here. So, uh
we're going to be front and center,

1747
02:05:33,520 --> 02:05:38,880
right?
>> So, I just wanted to clarify that up.

1748
02:05:36,159 --> 02:05:42,560
Just a quick uh couple things I just
want to hit real quick. I know a lot of

1749
02:05:40,960 --> 02:05:50,159
people's been asking about that nice,
beautiful job on Route 9.

1750
02:05:45,440 --> 02:05:55,280
» That is the new surface of the highway.
It's called Chip Seal. Uh pretty much

1751
02:05:52,960 --> 02:05:59,679
the town's they've been pretty much
north and south of the town. The towns

1752
02:05:56,960 --> 02:06:03,119
next to us are getting it. According to
the state, it's a state highway. We have

1753
02:06:01,280 --> 02:06:07,679
nothing to do about this. It's to
prolong the life of the asphalt for 10

1754
02:06:05,360 --> 02:06:12,560
to 15 years. Whether they're right or
wrong, people been asking. I researched

1755
02:06:10,560 --> 02:06:18,000
the question. Our director of public
works got me all the answers.

1756
02:06:15,599 --> 02:06:21,760
What you see out there is what we got.
So if you don't like it, you can write

1757
02:06:19,840 --> 02:06:27,360
the state and see how much luck you
have. Uh big thing going on right now is

1758
02:06:25,119 --> 02:06:32,000
uh stay away from Hane Street tonight.
Uh last night they started uh pave

1759
02:06:30,000 --> 02:06:37,040
milling and paving it because the curbs
and the sidewalk improvements on Hane

1760
02:06:34,159 --> 02:06:41,920
Street on both sides are done and
completed.

1761
02:06:38,880 --> 02:06:48,000
Phase one paving westbound has been
milled and completed. That was last

1762
02:06:43,520 --> 02:06:51,440
night. And phase two is tonight. So I
would suggest if you're going that

1763
02:06:49,280 --> 02:06:59,920
direction, find another route around
town. Pen Avenue North,

1764
02:06:55,520 --> 02:07:05,119
uh, Stuben Avenue and Court and Stony
Port Point. The curb improvements have

1765
02:07:02,239 --> 02:07:09,360
been done and the paving's going to be
begin sometime in the next couple weeks.

1766
02:07:07,760 --> 02:07:14,400
And other than that, that's all I have
tonight.

1767
02:07:11,760 --> 02:07:17,840
» I can respond to Mr. Barley's question.
The statute.

1768
02:07:16,000 --> 02:07:20,560
» Steve Chris going to
>> answer for your statute.

1769
02:07:19,199 --> 02:07:25,040
» I don't know whether you had a pen. If
you don't have a pen to write this down,

1770
02:07:22,079 --> 02:07:31,679
I'll write it down for you.
>> Especially when I come here. Um,

1771
02:07:28,239 --> 02:07:36,360
as I stated before, it's uh NJSA
>> NJSA

1772
02:07:33,360 --> 02:07:36,360
» 1937-1.

1773
02:07:38,159 --> 02:07:44,560
We just haven't set a new one.
>> Um, hang on a second.

1774
02:07:41,679 --> 02:07:47,560
» Okay. NJSA-1
>> 1937-1.

1775
02:07:48,639 --> 02:07:55,920
» And that's at the end. And yes, it says
when the governing body of any

1776
02:07:53,440 --> 02:07:59,520
municipality or county desires to
ascertain the sentiment of the legal

1777
02:07:57,840 --> 02:08:04,320
voters of the municipality or county
upon any question or policy pertaining

1778
02:08:02,239 --> 02:08:08,560
to the government or internal affairs
thereof. And there is no other statute

1779
02:08:07,040 --> 02:08:14,079
by which the sentiment can be
ascertained by the submission of such

1780
02:08:10,800 --> 02:08:18,719
question to a vote of the electors in
the municipality or county at any

1781
02:08:16,800 --> 02:08:24,320
election to be held therein. The county
body may adopt at any regular meeting an

1782
02:08:21,840 --> 02:08:28,159
ordinance or a resolution requesting the
clerk of the county to print upon

1783
02:08:25,840 --> 02:08:33,440
official ballots to be used at the next
ensuing general election a certain

1784
02:08:30,719 --> 02:08:37,360
proposition be formulated and expressed
in the ordinance or resolution in

1785
02:08:35,360 --> 02:08:42,000
concise form.
Such qu requests shall be filed with the

1786
02:08:39,840 --> 02:08:50,480
clerk of the county not later than 88
days previous to the election.

1787
02:08:45,199 --> 02:08:53,480
Now NJSA19 colon 37y
4

1788
02:08:58,000 --> 02:09:06,320
states such result shall not bind the
governing body from which the ordinance

1789
02:09:02,639 --> 02:09:10,719
or resolution emanated nor be taken or
construed as any other than an

1790
02:09:08,880 --> 02:09:17,679
expression of the sentiments of the
voters to be followed or disregarded by

1791
02:09:13,920 --> 02:09:22,000
the governing body in its discretion.
So it the governing body's hands are

1792
02:09:19,840 --> 02:09:26,639
tied. If it has a question, it must be
non-binding

1793
02:09:23,920 --> 02:09:28,239
and it's free for the government.
>> Everything's known about it.

1794
02:09:27,599 --> 02:09:30,320
» Yeah.
>> Is that the reason?

1795
02:09:29,520 --> 02:09:33,440
» What's that?
>> Everything's not known about it. Yeah,

1796
02:09:32,880 --> 02:09:38,000
just
>> it's just that

1797
02:09:35,440 --> 02:09:43,199
it's just no the question on the ballot
means that it's nonbinding on any member

1798
02:09:41,119 --> 02:09:47,520
of the governing body or the governing
body itself as a whole either the

1799
02:09:45,280 --> 02:09:51,280
current or future governing body.
>> Why?

1800
02:09:49,040 --> 02:09:56,400
» Because they don't this they felt that
when they enacted the statute that a

1801
02:09:53,679 --> 02:10:00,159
governing body shouldn't be bound by it.
That it was simply asked as an

1802
02:09:58,400 --> 02:10:04,719
expression of the sentiment of the
voters. That's all.

1803
02:10:02,159 --> 02:10:08,000
» And what would constitute a binding
resolution?

1804
02:10:06,079 --> 02:10:13,199
» A binding resolution would mean that
whatever the voters decided, that's in

1805
02:10:10,239 --> 02:10:19,199
fact what would take place. Such as a
binding vote on a bond

1806
02:10:16,000 --> 02:10:23,360
referendum by the state of New Jersey or
a school board when they have a bond

1807
02:10:21,280 --> 02:10:27,760
issue, whatever the expression of the
people are at that time would carry. It

1808
02:10:26,480 --> 02:10:32,320
would be out of the hands of the
governing body, whatever that governing

1809
02:10:29,840 --> 02:10:37,119
body may be.
And we can sit and debate the wisdom of

1810
02:10:34,639 --> 02:10:41,440
having that there as to whether it's
binding or non-binding, but that's the

1811
02:10:39,599 --> 02:10:45,599
statute. So that's what they're
following. But take a look at it and and

1812
02:10:43,599 --> 02:10:51,360
if you have other thoughts on it, be
happy to hear.

1813
02:10:47,520 --> 02:10:55,760
» Okay. Okay. Thank
>> I know how your attorneys are.

1814
02:10:53,599 --> 02:10:58,800
» I know. I know. I know. You have three
attorneys. You get four different

1815
02:10:56,880 --> 02:11:00,880
opinions.
>> Yeah. All right,

1816
02:11:00,239 --> 02:11:03,040
» I hear you.
>> Thank Thank you, Mr. Congress.

1817
02:11:02,239 --> 02:11:05,920
» Motion.
>> Okay. Motion to adjurnn.

1818
02:11:05,040 --> 02:11:09,599
» We have to do the resolution.
>> Yeah, we got to do the resolution.

1819
02:11:07,119 --> 02:11:13,440
» Resolution 2026-263,
resolution of the township county of

1820
02:11:11,440 --> 02:11:16,480
ocean stating authorizing the convening
of an executive session in accordance

1821
02:11:15,119 --> 02:11:20,800
with the open public meetings act to
discuss personnel matters pending

1822
02:11:17,760 --> 02:11:22,159
anticipated litigation to matters.
>> A second.

1823
02:11:21,520 --> 02:11:24,960
» Second.
>> All in favor?

1824
02:11:23,040 --> 02:11:28,239
» I motion to move it.
>> It pass unanimous.

1825
02:11:27,119 --> 02:11:31,239
» All in favor? I
>> I