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Are they ready? Aye, aye.

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All right, I'm calling this regular meeting of the Logo VISTA City Council to order at 5.30pm. And Lucy, please note we have all of our council members in attendance. We will convene into a closed executive session pursuant to a consultation legal counsel concerning all regular meetings, agenda items requiring confidential attorney client, at five. As needed, do we have

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items to discuss do we need to convene into it? Executive session.

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All right. The redissive solutions. Under government code section 551.071. The time is now 531pm.

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Be convened from executive session into open session and we will recess until 630. Oh, it's at 602 at the moment.

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We will recess until 6.30.

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All right,

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we reconvene from recess in the open session.

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We will take action at 6.30.

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Make note my time. We will take action on executive session items.

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In our executive session today, we didn't have any specific agenda items to discuss.

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Council did have a few legal questions regarding agenda item number 12.

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with the resolution regarding some of the legislative bills that are out there, so that was all we discussed in the executive session.

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So we will take action as deemed appropriate in City Council's discretion regarding cost-stations in the Council concerning all regular meeting agenda items.

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No action. No action. All right.

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We will kick off our open session with the

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pledge of allegiance to the U.S. and the Texas flag.

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The U.S. flag.

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A pledge of allegiance to the flag of United States of America and to the Republic for

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which it stands one nation under God in invisible with liberty and justice for all.

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Now the Texas flag, on the Texas flag, I pledge allegiance to the Texas one state under the

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God.

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One and indivisible.

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Thank you.

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You may be seated.

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All right.

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We start with citizen comments and accordance with the open meetings act, council is prohibited

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from acting or discussing other than factual responses to specific questions.

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any items, not on the agenda and I have Russell Barnes that says general, is

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yours just for citizen comments or do you have an actual agenda item?

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You are

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recognized.

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My father was a research analyst and I was brought up even in

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facts and not here, say, or rubers. I tried it even in facts and I'm trying to

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throw in a little common sense. There's been a lot of talk around the last couple

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What about a per se, young, poetic one in the school?

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What about here to talk about that?

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I don't know the facts about it.

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But I am here to talk about school hoodies.

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I don't have the killer first of all.

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So I don't have a dog in this fight.

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But anyway, I'm here to say that I think we really

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ought to have an arm, a friendly arm, please,

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minute each one of our schools.

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And you might say, well, how can we afford that?

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And I would say, how can we not afford that?

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Let me explain why.

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First of all, the obvious benefit is not to have a school shooting.

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It's hard even that a policeman might traumatize the children, or a friend of mine's grandson

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was a tiny little mid-period when they had the shooting there.

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You're a lot more traumatized when your best friends lay there on the ground that's for

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shooting than you are just having a friendly policeman.

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The next benefit is I wouldn't treat our children to respect law and order.

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the police were their friends, not their enemies,

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and the benefit from the whole city is just

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allumerable because less crime, better children,

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et cetera.

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And finally, when you have a still shooting,

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a city never gets over this.

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This stigma never goes away.

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We dodged a, it made it a rumor,

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but we dodged a bullet, we had a warning.

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And we spent all this time and money in the city

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trying to promote it to out-of-town realtors so they can come here and buy and sell land and

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make money in other ways to attract people to the city. I would say if we try to make this a

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model city, people will wait in line to move here. And so, I don't want to spend any tax

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dollar direction or policeman, but at the same time, I don't want to repercussion of that. So, I think

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I'm hoping that you can all come up with a way to divert money from somebody's other things

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and consider the idea of having an armed officer.

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I want to have a proactive attitude,

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not a reactive attitude.

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That's all folks.

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Thank you.

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All right, that is the only one I have signed up

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for the citizen comments.

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So we will move on to items of community interest.

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Presumably to Texas Government Code Section 551.0415,

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the City Council may report on any of the following

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items, expressions of thanks, gratitude and condolences, information regarding holiday schedules,

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recognition of individuals, reminders regarding city council events, reminders regarding community events,

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and health and safety announcements. And from my list, obviously number one is Logo Fest. It will be

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taking place this Saturday, Barcae Park from one until 730. Volunteerships are still available.

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Come out and have some fun listening to some awesome music from four different bands at the

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biggest festival on the North Shore. Cap Metro shuttle service will be available from the Logo Vista High

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school and from two bar K-park you can go to logofests.com for more details and

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volunteer shifts are still available. Logo Vista golf tournaments, logo Vista

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high school gold tournament is on May 2nd, Lions Club tournament is on May 5th.

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I believe there is a veterans tournament at some point too.

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This past weekend. Oh, we had that one already.

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The VTO is this past weekend. Okay, I'll miss that one.

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Lake Travis, 638 feet, we're 31 feet below normal, 43 feet below four, but we're still

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over a million gallons in holding acre feet.

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Okay, I guess.

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Let's see, Tuesday, April 25th from 9 to 10 a.m. we have a business round table and is that

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right here?

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Right here in this room, so business round table, Tuesday, April 25th 9 to 10.

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That is all that I have, health and safety, obviously everybody's aware we have storms rolling

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in again for the third council meeting in a row. If something happens, we do have designated

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areas that we can go to in the interior of the building to protect us. Hopefully, we won't

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experience that.

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Anybody else have anything? Yes.

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I have a couple of things. Thank you, Mayor. First is just a thank you to everyone

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one who was involved with setting up and putting on the egg drops.

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So big thank you to North Lake Church and to our Logovista ISD for hosting that event.

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We attended it was fabulous.

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I mean, really it was just absolutely wonderful.

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So just wanted to give a shout out to everybody who was involved in that.

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And then a reminder that tomorrow we have coffee with veterans happening here at the HOPE

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Center from 8 to 10 in the morning.

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I hope the center is right here next to the veterans park if you weren't aware of that.

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And they're going to have a guest speaker, Salvador Castillo, and they are encouraging

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veterans who have questions or claims documents or need assistance with filing claims or appeals

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to attend.

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They'll have someone on hand to help out with that and that's from 8 to 10.

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Lastly, I think this is the first city council meeting since I've been a city council member

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that I don't have a long list of log of ISD kudos to share usually it's you know the

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Valkyries and the chair team and football and baseball and everything else but we just

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will happen to have our superintendent the audience that's put you on on the spot here

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but I didn't happen to see anything from the booster's post that I hadn't already addressed

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in a previous meeting but is there any any big news from the ISC or kudos that you're aware

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from the last two weeks.

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Thanks, Paul.

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So, Paul.

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Let's see.

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Oh, yes, microphone.

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Yes, sir.

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Thank you.

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There's a lot, right?

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A lot of stuff been going on this week.

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Let's see.

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As far as accomplishments, our tennis teams advanced to the regional meet.

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I don't know exactly the finishes, but we had two or three teams finished in a playback.

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So they ended up getting third.

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they were the way the playbacks work they ended up losing the key match to

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advance the state but by going up to 4a I thought our kids really represented

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themselves in the district really well getting up in a different classification

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is a challenge but we really did well at the district meet and then went to the

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regional meet and I think we had four different groups qualify with 3 I think

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getting third place. Our area meet was last night I have not had a chance to

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visit Coach Phillips that we had a lot of kids get out of the district and so

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they will advance to the area meet and then if they get in the top four then

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they'll advance to the regional meet in probably another week or two. Let's

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see I'm trying to think we had some kids qualify for Deca to the national

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invitation or the national meet in Florida they'll be leaving I believe here in

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in the next couple of days.

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Just now started with Deca.

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This is the first year we did that

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in our Dr. Webb, no relation to me that we know of,

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but she has really taken that program

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and a lot of those kids have really jumped into that

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and had a lot of success.

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Let's see, trying to think, what else?

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Our junior high tennis and golf teams have gotten started.

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Star Test has started this week

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And so that's as far as accomplishments and things. That's what's been going on. So appreciate it. Thank you.

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Maybe at the baseball season.

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Let's see, I think we've got about three, two or three games left.

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And we're going to maybe fighting for fourth place. Kind of hit a struggle in the middle of the season.

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You know, just didn't click. So softball season is over.

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and then our, let's see, we have two individuals now that I think about two individuals at the

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Boy's Regional Golf Tournament.

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We had one golfer that was in the mix. I have not heard

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the final results, but I think he was tied for, he was out of, he was tied for, I guess you

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could say fourth, but one stroke out of first. So he had three times for first and he was in fourth.

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I think one stroke going into today, but I haven't heard the final, but I'm sure no

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he says what I can give you.

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Thank you.

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Sorry about that.

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Could you have a spot there?

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And I just wanted to say thank you to those that came out and helped with the Lions blood

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drive that we had in this past Saturday.

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And then the mayor mentioned that we've got the tournament on May 5th for the fundraiser,

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and if anybody wants to sign up to either participate or sponsor, you can reach out to me.

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Thank you.

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We will go into our staff, I have one more, I'm sorry,

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this is coming from the governor.

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We have been recognized, the state of Texas governor to all who, to all to whom these

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present shall come, greetings, no ye that this official recognition is presented on the

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occasion of Logo Fest. Logo Vista, Texas April 22nd, 2023. As Governor of Texas, I am pleased to welcome

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everyone to the extraordinary Barcai Park on the shores of Lake Travis for Logo Fest. From live

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music and dancing to a wide variety of delicious, eats, and unmissable arts shopping experience.

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This family-friendly festival truly is a day of fun for all ages. I commend everyone who has made

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this celebration possible and encourage all attendees to take advantage of the many

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events and activities this festival has to offer.

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Celebrations like Logo Fest drink in our ties of friendship and community and make Texas

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the great state that it is.

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First lady Cecilia Abbott joins me in extending best wishes for a memorable celebration and

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testimony whereof I have signed my name and caused the seal of the state of Texas to be

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be affixed at the...

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All right. That's cool. Thank you, Governor Abbott. And we will read this again at the festival to welcome everybody. Thank you, sir. All right. Now we will go into our staff. And we use our report. So staff, what do you have for us? That's me. Thank you, Mayor and council. I have a couple of things. One is we just did winter averaging and our citywide average.

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went from 3,400 to 3,300 so people are going to see that noted on their utility bills.

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Public Works has finished up picking up the right-of-way brush that was the last round,

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so if it's out there, it's not from the storm.

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So you will need to get it to the green center.

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We're still working on a Radarm fence that is close to the soccer field at sunset park.

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They are starting to get that finished up and we had one of our employees actually go for their chemical application as certification.

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So that will come in handy. You've already talked about our golf tournaments. Give me a second. I'm rolling three.

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Street actually has started, they got all the brush that was at the location that is close to the police department.

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We had a contractor come out and chip that brush and it made Taylor and I extremely excited.

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There's nothing like watching it just get chewed up and go into a dumpster. It was lovely.

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So that area has been cleaned up and I thank everybody for helping with that and then we had the trash off this last weekend we had 297 residents that came and we filled all 17 dumpsters.

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Thank you for mentioning that because I forgot to recognize everybody during community interest so thank you to all the.

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I was out there for a little bit of Saturday morning working with one of the I think it was the water guys

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unloading metal out of people's vehicles. It was good. It was good to see everybody out there. I have one final one today

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is our Parks and Recreation Directors birthday. So Chris, Mom, please birthday is today. If you happen to see him in the next week or so, wish him a happy, belated birthday.

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Liaison reports.

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Anybody have any committees that have met in the last two weeks, sir?

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Coming.

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I actually had all three of mine that met this past week.

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EDAC met on April 11th.

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Oh, first of all, I want to say that I did my fair share to fill up the dumpster.

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Don't trash off.

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On April 11th, EDAC met and they were discussing a variety of things.

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They're continuing to work on their long range plan and coming to Council to report later in the summer.

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But one thing that dig did want me to pass along is that they think that it would be extremely

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beneficial for the city if they go through their budget process to budget money for grants

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and incentives so that when those opportunities come up, we are not scrambling for funds, matching

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funds for those things.

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So just something for us to think about when we go into the budget season this summer.

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KELVB had their meeting this past week.

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We talked about and actually made a visit to the vendor that's creating the letters, the backlit letters, for the wall, up there at 1431 in Lomance, and so Denise and Dan,

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Cationiner and myself. We all went out there to check it out. We learned way more about sign making that we ever wanted to know, but the bottom line is, is the letters and the refurbishment of the sailboat, that magical sailboat, should be up there on the wall sometime in the June to July timeframe, so just FYI.

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to everybody on that.

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And then the Library Advisory Board met on April 14th, and they are continuing their discussion

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about the Long Range Plan, recommendations they want to make about the Library Expansion,

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and the report to the Council that they're going to do this summer.

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And that's all they got.

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Awesome.

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Yeah, PRAC Committee met last week ago, Wednesday.

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They gave me a directive to ask City Council.

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If they could go out and start collecting volunteers and working on all of those properties they identified last year and start turning them into trails and pocket parks.

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And I suggested that they were the advisory committee and that they should pick a few that they want to do some work on and then come to us with a plan and a plan of action before just going out there with.

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with chainsaws and volunteers and they accepted that and so we should get something from them soon.

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Yeah, the golf course advisory committee met last week on the 12th in a special workshop to discuss their thoughts on the various proposed improvements to the golf course.

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they made a lot of progress. It's a huge scope that's involved. And so a good chunk of the discussion was trying to determine how to best organize their thoughts on approaching those proposals.

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They did ask advice from council in terms of when we would like to see their recommendations back.

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I discussed this with the city manager earlier this week, and it looked like the end of May would be a good timing for that, but the question was to counsel in particular so like your feedback on that I can pass along to the committee.

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and

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the may sounds good to me if that sounds good to staff.

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Great. I will share that. Oh.

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I can ask a clarifying question.

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At the last seat council meeting.

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I thought we had asked for their input on the proposed bond packages,

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which is on our agenda for today. Is that not what we asked for?

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No, no. The.

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Thank you back on.

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We did not ask for their assessment of the improvements to the public works project that

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involved the pawns and the sprinkler system.

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We did ask for their input on what might wind up on a GO package, which would include improvements

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to the grounds and the facilities and things like that.

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Because that's in our packet for today.

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Well, just the timing for we, we'll go on that.

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Correct.

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So did you all talk about that issue, the timing for when the golf course renovations should go on a geo?

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Their expectation is when they ask for when you needed the feedback.

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Their expectation is that that timeline would be dictated by a November 2023 geo package.

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now, of course, if that got delayed, then that would push out when you would need their feedback, but that was the assumption.

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Planning and zoning did me one week ago tonight.

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You may remember two weeks ago.

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I asked for your authorization.

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Well, I'll truck it up a bit.

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Got water. I asked for your authorization to help them get unstuck on some proposed changes to the comprehensive plan around density.

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And so I shared that with staff's help, they actually ended up passing a greatly simplified proposal, so they actually came to an agreement.

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It's not on tonight's agenda because it missed the window to be on the agenda.

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I presume it will be on for us in two weeks, but thankfully they were able to get past that.

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And this is something we'd ask them to do, so they accomplished that task and will see the results of their recommendation for the changes to the comprehensive plan.

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and it's a pretty simple change.

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May I on this end?

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We have not had a part of adjustment

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or a start skies meeting.

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And my youth have not met since the last one.

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So we won't move on into our discussion item set.

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First, I have discussion regarding proposed extension water

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and wastewater lines to property outside the city limits

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and possible annexation of a planted lot

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of approximately 5.393 acres of land located at 20100 Alfa Drive before this will be Mr.

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Wallace. Before I bring him up or recognize him, I just want to let you know that I put

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this on the agenda because he had lots of questions and I felt like the best way for him to

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get his answers was to come directly to Council instead of trying to hit each individual

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So just let

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everybody kind of review things. I guess I'll open up for questions. First

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I'm doing this so appreciate some lead.

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So let's know. So tell us what you're looking

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right so what I'm here today is just a submit a petition for annexation for a

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business that I'm starting on 20 100 alfalfa it's a climate controlled

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storage business we are already in the construction phase we're in the

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grading phase the plans and I've already been permitted from Travis County which

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was a five-year process believe it or not so here we are we're moving dirt the

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The fire marshal has asked that I have the availability fire extinguishers there or the

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excuse me, the fire hydrants, which would require me to be able to extend the current

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hydrant that's located on Ming and Alphalfa down into two front.

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You'll note on the survey there or the planned actual fire plan, the red dots are noted.

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the two additional red dots are noted, the new locations.

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The one further to the west would be the one currently on MING, which is just in front

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of Butler Boat Storage.

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So it's approximately 500 and change linear feet of line extension for water.

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And you know, obviously I'm going to have an office as well, so it would be nice to have

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have a flushing toilet and a sink for my employee to be able to take care of the business.

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I don't, when you do a petition, you know, it's, you guys are going to look at, you know,

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tax revenues and those revenues would obviously grow over time, you know, as expansion warranted.

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The flow or the impact of the water usage is very minimal.

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with one employee, it's probably 25 gallons a day for toilet flushes and water

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consumption.

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You know, you could talk about me maintaining the roads. I know

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there's a burden. I talked to Mr. Sullivan a little bit about, you know, the

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city concerned about burdens. Tax or police coverage, maintaining the roads, which

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they have never been maintained by Travis County. Those roads have always been maintained

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by out of pocket.

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And I assume they would probably remain that way. I don't know if

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Lago would be willing to forego that expense, but that's not an issue. We'd agree to maintain

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the roads as well. I can tell you we're not going to be able to annex that road.

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right yeah for us to consider it would have to be it would have to meet city standards

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sure we would consider so the rules yeah I understand yeah this is being a discussion you're

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looking for feedback from council yeah I mean my feedback is bring us an annexation annexation

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application and let staff do their diligence and make a recommendation to council so Roy you

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but there was a petition on that.

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Yeah, that's that's what I did with that's what I wrote that letter is an

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expedition as the letter. Okay. Yeah. I checked on that. I'm Roy and he said

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there was no annex application, just a petition letter. Okay. Yeah. That's okay.

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Good. Mr. Lawson, you and I had a conversation and you'd ask the question or

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I think you put forward that you thought that the extension of the line just

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for fire suppression, so for maybe that could be done administratively by staff.

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And I checked with Roy.

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He thought it needed to be approved by council, while we're in executive session.

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I asked the city attorney if he knew specifically if that were the case, if this was something

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that had to come to council, or if it could be done administratively, and he was a little

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uncertain.

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and so on.

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Figure that one out to determine if it needs to come back to council or if that can be done at the administrative staff level. So just FYI. Sure. Yeah. I've been working with Taylor already. And he had asked that I submit a drawing or a plan of the line extension along with a profile. And we've already got that executed. And he has a copy and he satisfied with the with the drawing. So, you know, if I could just one last comment and I'll be done. I would ask staff to really look into what's the most.

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to have been taged for the city is it annexing the property or is it simply extending water

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service water and sewer service to and somebody outside the city limits and you know what

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makes sense from a cost perspective so if y'all can look into that and let us know that

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if it does indeed need to come back to us that would be helpful.

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Mr. Wallace, I got a question.

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The water and the sewer stuff are you planning on doing a button of connecting to the sewer

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system or having a. Yeah, that ideally that would be wonderful. There is a sewer line and I don't

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know exactly where there is sewer already out in front. I don't know where it stops.

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They're ready. Okay. I assume the water lines are separate for fire suppression and

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usage. Is there a water line? No, sir. The water line stops at mean and alfalfa.

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So to be able to extend the line would also allow me to just tap a meter there as well.

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Yeah, okay, yes.

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And you're willing to do the extension of that line as well, and the sewer line?

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Yes, sir.

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One more thing that Mr. Lawless and I talked about was, you've already spent a lot of money developing these plans.

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You really don't want to have to modify these.

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And I think one of the questions we had was, if you were annexed into the city,

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what his buildings have to meet our code, and my guess is the answer is yes, and so that's

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something that probably needs to be factored into. Do we in X or do we simply extend services

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to somebody outside the limits? I'm assuming if we extend to somebody outside the limits,

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we don't have to worry about him meeting our code as far as his buildings are concerned. So

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again, just another thing for you guys staff to look into when making a determination about what

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makes the most sense. Yeah, I've referenced that. I remember for our conversation, I referenced that

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in the petition that I would be happy to meet with Mr. Jambore and let him take a look at the

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plans that have already been approved by Travis County and pretty stringent approval process there,

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but be happy to sit down with him and let him put his stamp of approval on the comes of that.

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I have a good question. The letter that was just provided is all that the petition for annexation

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would need to include Mr. Jambore? I don't think he has a copy.

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Okay, but

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it

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would have to be like included in his development agreement, though, would it not?

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Yeah, that's really what that trade is in negotiation and development.

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Yeah,

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so I'm fine with staff negotiating a development agreement based upon the petition.

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And I think the considerations and concerns that Councillor Sullivan raised

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It would be addressed, and we can make a decision based on that.

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Yeah, and I think it would be beneficial for you to go forward with the process,

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because unless you submit applications, you're not going to get full answers.

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Staff just, we don't give out answers without somebody actually applying for something.

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So if you want to know your true cost of what it's going to cost for the one waste water lines,

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whether your plans meet city codes and stuff like that,

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the only way you're really going to know is to submit the application for the development agreement and sit with staff.

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And then you can see whether it's to your benefit to spend the money or not.

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And I think to everyone's point, I think, you know, effectively what I think, at least myself, and I think Council's looking at is, you know, effectively cost benefit analysis on behalf of the city consistent with some of the points Kevin raised, and that's what we're looking at is this a net win for the city annexing you.

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And so we need you to go through that process so we can get that feedback from staff and weigh that accordingly.

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So, is there an application, Mr. Joe Moore, how do you want to facilitate that?

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The petition is what's required by the State Statute for the whole purpose, for an annexation.

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It requires the City to respond with a proposed municipal services agreement.

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That's where Joe comes in.

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To address your concerns, Joe mentioned, and I think it's not the first time I've heard

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this, what you typically want to do is include a provision in there where he doesn't oppose

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annexation and then it becomes the option of the city going forward, which gives the public

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works department more time to do a more thorough analysis of the cost of services versus the

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benefit from the tax revenue.

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So if I'm understanding what you just said correctly, if I may, you're saying that if he

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He files the application with that caveat that you just worded.

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He wouldn't be able, could he withdraw his NXA?

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Could he withdraw it after?

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Well, no.

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The petition is simply requesting that you guys consider an annexation.

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What happens then is a development slash municipal services agreement.

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And that includes all the provisions to protect him, the CDU, decide what under what circumstances

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etc.

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Mr. Lawless, would you recommend that he hire a third-party professional for any part of this process?

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That's more of a Joseph question.

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He's the one that's going to be negotiating.

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Or would you be comfortable working with Mr. Lawless by himself?

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What I don't want is I don't want staff doing somebody else's job for him.

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Well, and Joe can't give him legal advice.

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Right.

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But you know, sometimes staff gets wrapped up in these applications and people are hiring proper third-party services

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To do good drawings and such

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That's the concern in terms in terms of going back to the permitting issue

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Typically what we would do in the good news is we're we're on real good relationships now with both LCRA and the county

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The most likely thing that is possible to have a difference in the code is to make sure that our stormwater detention requirements

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are the same as theirs that that would be the biggest issue we would look at we could determine

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that in advance but that even can be part of that annexation development agreement is you know

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let it stay in the county until the the gets a CO or is ready to get a CO and then you know

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you process the annexation there and that way you don't have the the worry about the duplicity of

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the permitting, was accepted as is, but having said that, we would make sure that there's

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dorm water detention requirements are up to ours, and if not, we would ask him to increase

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that detention.

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That's the only real special thing we have locally that we would want to check, but that's

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kind of a, it's not a real complicated thing, it's really the same ordinance everybody has

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everywhere. You know, you want your pre-development runoff impact to be the same as your post-development

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impact runoff. It's not rocket science. Thanks for many

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us. All right, unless you have some

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more questions for us. So, do I need to go start working with Roy and Joe? Is that what I need to

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start doing? Okay. All right. No, I'm good. Thank you for the direction. Thank you for the comments

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and thank you for your time, and I appreciate you.

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Good to see you.

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Thank you, Ms. Ross.

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All right, number four.

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Receiving update regarding the cap metro bill

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and I have done here crazy and shiny.

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I'm gonna let Shane give his first

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that way I think he and I are tag teaming a little.

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Thanks mayor, thanks council.

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Just wanna give you an update on the cap metro bill.

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We ran into like a little roadblock earlier this week, the representative believed that they were not having any luck getting a hold of the transportation committee.

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They had heard from somewhere else that there was concern that the chief of staff of that chairman of that committee's wife is on Austin City Council.

436
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So they thought maybe that's why I wasn't moving. Luckily I do know that chief of staff I went and talked to him.

437
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:37,640
He said that wasn't true. He actually was not aware of our bill.

438
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:43,560
they give a couple of suggestions and they pulled in his committee director to come talk to me as well.

439
00:39:44,240 --> 00:39:47,900
She said that there have been no one that had explicitly come and supported the bill yet.

440
00:39:48,500 --> 00:39:53,840
But she did have one very large entity that I know you can guess which one that is that came to oppose the bill.

441
00:39:54,980 --> 00:40:01,720
So she said that it would be very helpful if we had the council's resend resolution, which I believe you might have.

442
00:40:02,180 --> 00:40:06,760
But also to have a non council person to come and go and support the bill.

443
00:40:06,940 --> 00:40:11,540
So I have talked to Dale Mitchell who had previously worked on this bill a few years ago.

444
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,500
He said that he would gladly put something in.

445
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:19,940
I think that'll be helpful, and if you guys have anyone else, you think might be important that it would support it.

446
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,900
I think we don't need to have a lot, you know, two or three, give the committee a nudge.

447
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,620
They did say they don't fundamentally have any problems with the bill.

448
00:40:27,620 --> 00:40:31,340
I will say talking to them, they're very stuck on.

449
00:40:31,800 --> 00:40:35,500
They look at the election, they see the results of the election, they say that the people have spoken.

450
00:40:35,900 --> 00:40:36,960
There hasn't seemed to be support.

451
00:40:37,580 --> 00:40:44,660
I did explain, I don't think that we all had the opportunity to explain everything in the way that we had liked to, and that maybe swayed some of the vote.

452
00:40:45,140 --> 00:40:50,660
And obviously we know that there's some issues with the way that it's written and that's kind of why the bill exists.

453
00:40:51,260 --> 00:40:56,680
They did express to me that when we think future long-term, I think we're all pretty aware

454
00:40:56,680 --> 00:41:01,580
that the bill is most likely not going to pass, but for those that are watching, there's

455
00:41:01,580 --> 00:41:05,920
still value in getting through this process and every time you get an opportunity to stand

456
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:09,740
up at a hearing and talk about it, you can sway some of those legislators.

457
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,440
And then one thing we talked about, there's pieces of this bill that he thinks that others

458
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:18,580
do agree with, you know, having to wait five years to have this election is pretty

459
00:41:18,580 --> 00:41:22,780
rare throughout the statute. He thinks that, you know, however, we tell that story that could

460
00:41:22,780 --> 00:41:27,780
resonate with some of these members also changing the calculations, you know, seeing how much this

461
00:41:27,780 --> 00:41:32,460
penalty has grown. They think that part, there's obviously some value to that. So they do believe,

462
00:41:32,700 --> 00:41:37,380
they can get us into a hearing as long as we have shown some support and maybe the last hearing of

463
00:41:37,380 --> 00:41:42,400
that committee. But we still have a slight chance that one of those members up there, here's a part

464
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:47,060
of that really likes it and maybe we can ask them for an amendment, you know, it's a small chance,

465
00:41:47,060 --> 00:41:50,420
but there's still some life there that we can possibly save some of them.

466
00:41:51,540 --> 00:41:57,260
So can you give us advice on the hearing?

467
00:41:57,540 --> 00:41:59,780
So that's what I've been watching for.

468
00:41:59,900 --> 00:42:02,360
Looking forward to trying to find out when it's coming up for an hearing.

469
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,980
But I've never seen it come up for the hearing.

470
00:42:07,740 --> 00:42:09,740
Yeah, so the it's up to the committee.

471
00:42:09,980 --> 00:42:11,120
They're the ones that will schedule it.

472
00:42:11,720 --> 00:42:12,980
Each committee runs it differently.

473
00:42:13,000 --> 00:42:15,380
This committee told me all they really need was representing

474
00:42:15,380 --> 00:42:18,760
Drock's office to kind of work it a little harder, actually go to the

475
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:22,840
Go to Canalis and ask for it, and then they needed to see a

476
00:42:23,320 --> 00:42:28,340
Couple sides on both of it. So it looks like to them there was no interest in the bill to the committee director

477
00:42:28,340 --> 00:42:32,620
And that's why she didn't really put it forward to go out there, but I can't say

478
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:38,820
There isn't any truth. At least I'm taking a first word. There's no truth to because it's why some city council that he wasn't here

479
00:42:38,820 --> 00:42:40,720
And he just didn't hear that about the bill

480
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:42,160
Sorry

481
00:42:42,980 --> 00:42:45,200
I don't know what, thank you.

482
00:42:46,100 --> 00:42:47,700
I have a question.

483
00:42:47,900 --> 00:42:51,140
You said that you think there's little in no chance

484
00:42:51,140 --> 00:42:52,460
that the bill will pass.

485
00:42:52,980 --> 00:42:55,380
You've said, like, made a couple of comments after that,

486
00:42:55,380 --> 00:42:57,380
but can you speak a little bit more

487
00:42:57,380 --> 00:43:03,160
as to a little more to why you think that or feel that way?

488
00:43:03,740 --> 00:43:05,120
Yeah, I mean, part of right now is timing.

489
00:43:05,300 --> 00:43:06,820
There's only 39 days left in session.

490
00:43:07,200 --> 00:43:08,660
If your bill is in the house

491
00:43:08,660 --> 00:43:10,540
and it doesn't get out of the house over to the Senate

492
00:43:10,540 --> 00:43:14,420
it by, I think it's the first week of May, it's stretch going, can't go forward.

493
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,740
So we're running out of time, there's a lot of bills ahead of it in calendars right

494
00:43:18,740 --> 00:43:20,840
now, which is the gatekeeper to get to the house floor.

495
00:43:21,220 --> 00:43:22,100
They're starting to back up.

496
00:43:22,100 --> 00:43:25,640
I think they're at five, six hundred bills, they're sitting in calendars, and it's not really

497
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,340
where bills are supposed to die, but they do sometimes die there.

498
00:43:28,420 --> 00:43:33,420
So you're running out of time there, but in the overall picture, to the members, it's mostly

499
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,140
a lot of these bills are pre-worked in the interim.

500
00:43:36,540 --> 00:43:38,480
So the session's about to end.

501
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:40,420
And a lot of people will start working their bills immediately.

502
00:43:40,780 --> 00:43:44,200
So they feel like if they had known about this bill for an entire year,

503
00:43:44,540 --> 00:43:48,000
really worked on it and brought a lot of different parties together,

504
00:43:48,460 --> 00:43:51,560
then it would have already kind of skipped this part of this education part

505
00:43:51,560 --> 00:43:53,220
that a lot of the members are going to have to get over.

506
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,620
And that would have been what kind of got it to move forward.

507
00:44:02,980 --> 00:44:06,620
So, and if this is not possible, you just say so.

508
00:44:06,620 --> 00:44:15,580
But I know sometimes there is interest on the part of legislators to tack things on to other bills, right?

509
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:17,920
They very strategically do that.

510
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:24,220
If they have some interest in getting something passed, they'll tack it on to something else that they know folks want to get passed.

511
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:33,580
Is there any potential that this could happen with even if it's parts of the cat metro bill like the five year piece and

512
00:44:33,580 --> 00:44:39,520
re-figuring the NFO, you know, that kind of stuff, um, is there any potential that that might?

513
00:44:40,380 --> 00:44:45,400
The small occurs, you know, in theory, the way the statute is, it has to be germane, so for you

514
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:49,220
to tag on part of your bill to another bill, it's pretty much got to have the same vote into it.

515
00:44:49,460 --> 00:44:53,940
And I ran a search, there weren't many other bills that have the same code that we're trying to amend,

516
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:57,680
but there's some that are close. Trocks by herself has another bill that's something

517
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,800
What related and I think you could possibly pull some and I've definitely seen history myself that somebody tags a bill onto another bill that's not your main and as long as nobody stands up and calls a point of order, it goes through and then it's up to the governor if he decides to read and veto it but there's always that opportunity and that's kind of what I'm hoping for if you get the hearing and there are members up there and it really resonates with one of them. Maybe they say, hey, I'll just slap it on to one of the Senate bills that are over here right now. Or is that something that you sometimes know?

518
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:34,640
like, oh, I saw that you were interested in this. Would you be interested in tacking it onto this?

519
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:44,660
Yeah, absolutely. All right, thank you. I wanted to kind of tag on to some of the mayor said,

520
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:59,760
as far as expressing interest in this bill, you mentioned that Cap Metro, you was

521
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,260
The medicines know to go express, you know, a support of it.

522
00:46:03,860 --> 00:46:07,280
On the Texas legislature online, they did a code search.

523
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:10,540
So anything that touched their code, they get flags for it.

524
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:14,000
So they saw it popped up and they immediately went out with their list of bills and they

525
00:46:14,000 --> 00:46:15,840
went either supported or opposed different bills.

526
00:46:16,100 --> 00:46:20,260
So as a public, you could do the same thing, but they have an entire paid staff that's all

527
00:46:20,260 --> 00:46:21,160
they're doing a searching for.

528
00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:24,540
But if you're very interested in this topic, you could go on the Texas legislature online,

529
00:46:24,860 --> 00:46:29,100
set up alerts, you could put in the transportation code and it would show you every bill that

530
00:46:29,100 --> 00:46:30,120
touches that part of the code.

531
00:46:30,660 --> 00:46:32,560
And so when they expressed opposition to,

532
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:34,340
they just do, you know, send emails to,

533
00:46:34,460 --> 00:46:37,080
or did they literally walk down and have their people talk

534
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,540
to senators and representatives?

535
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:41,320
They walk down and they talk to the,

536
00:46:41,420 --> 00:46:42,740
to the representative and actually go straight

537
00:46:42,740 --> 00:46:43,980
to the committee staff too.

538
00:46:44,320 --> 00:46:45,040
Okay, okay.

539
00:46:45,420 --> 00:46:47,440
I think you did pick the right person, Dale Mitchell.

540
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:49,780
I mean, he seemed to relish doing it before

541
00:46:49,780 --> 00:46:51,300
and my guess is he'd relish doing it again.

542
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:53,820
So he would be a good person to go down there

543
00:46:53,820 --> 00:46:55,560
and walk and talk and shake hands and,

544
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,140
and express his opinions about it.

545
00:46:57,140 --> 00:46:57,660
That's great.

546
00:46:57,920 --> 00:46:58,940
And he brought up a good point, too,

547
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:00,460
that this bill went further before

548
00:47:00,460 --> 00:47:02,360
and it died in the mother's massacre.

549
00:47:02,780 --> 00:47:04,940
And his question was, I'm sure other people's question is,

550
00:47:04,940 --> 00:47:07,260
why didn't this one go as far as well?

551
00:47:07,700 --> 00:47:09,520
And so I'm against that the pre-work wasn't there,

552
00:47:09,580 --> 00:47:10,620
but also the members changed.

553
00:47:10,880 --> 00:47:12,220
The committee's a little different makeup,

554
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:13,480
and there's other stuff going on.

555
00:47:14,060 --> 00:47:14,240
And so.

556
00:47:14,560 --> 00:47:15,740
Paul Workman had been on,

557
00:47:16,280 --> 00:47:18,000
as a lately, really longer than Helen.

558
00:47:18,340 --> 00:47:21,760
So he just had been there longer, probably more experience.

559
00:47:22,180 --> 00:47:23,080
His horse, what do you need to do?

560
00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:29,840
Yeah, and I'll say if you any of you have the opportunity to it's still helpful for each council member

561
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:35,600
If you wanted to go and talk to represent a track player or talk to that committee director and say like obviously

562
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,400
This is something we want to at least have a hearing on I think that's helpful. The mayor has done that

563
00:47:41,300 --> 00:47:42,540
Any more house

564
00:47:45,060 --> 00:47:46,120
Shane thank you

565
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,960
You know, I've spoken with Ellen lobbied on it

566
00:47:51,220 --> 00:47:52,660
We've gotten this far

567
00:47:52,660 --> 00:47:57,620
our, she knows my position, I don't know that there's any value added me going down there.

568
00:47:57,900 --> 00:48:05,080
But would you please send, I haven't spoken to the committee staff, will you send all

569
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:11,440
of us an email with the people that you'd recommend we as individual council members and

570
00:48:11,440 --> 00:48:13,300
city manager reach out to please?

571
00:48:13,620 --> 00:48:14,180
Yep, I'll do that.

572
00:48:14,580 --> 00:48:18,680
And, you know, also give us some deadlines, you need to do this by this date, you know,

573
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:21,200
so we set our reminders and such.

574
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:26,280
and you said you've, you've, you've, of course, Dale, and you were looking for one more person

575
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:30,040
or one or two more people to actually go down there. I think one or two more. They don't have to

576
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:33,120
necessarily go down there. I'll do the same thing. I'll give the contact information, even like a

577
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:39,700
quick email that has the bill number and this will be helpful. Okay. Thanks. And then in long term,

578
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:44,180
you know, I think that there's still things we can do. I think if the representative of the senator

579
00:48:44,180 --> 00:48:48,800
and the interim, what's the all of eating between y'all and the cat Metro? I mean, I don't think

580
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,160
we kept metrics and just say no to it.

581
00:48:50,300 --> 00:48:52,760
Or if we think that the represent canals,

582
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:54,860
who's the transportation chair, sitting with him

583
00:48:54,860 --> 00:48:56,020
and talking to him about it,

584
00:48:56,340 --> 00:48:57,420
he may have some thoughts on it.

585
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:58,640
There's still work that we can do

586
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:00,540
and maybe improve those relationships.

587
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,100
Give us your guidance in that email.

588
00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:05,820
So we have kind of a template to follow, please.

589
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:06,580
Well, do you?

590
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:07,400
Yeah.

591
00:49:08,300 --> 00:49:09,020
Thank you.

592
00:49:09,300 --> 00:49:10,580
I'm sorry, last question, Mayor, if I may.

593
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:12,720
This is actually kind of a response

594
00:49:12,720 --> 00:49:13,700
to the question you asked.

595
00:49:14,380 --> 00:49:18,260
I think on TLO online, we can also set it up, right?

596
00:49:18,260 --> 00:49:22,340
It's like if you want to know if this bill is going to committee to the mayor's question earlier,

597
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:27,140
you can actually set up an alert for that specific bill and you'll get noticed when it goes to a committee.

598
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:29,580
Yeah, TLO online.

599
00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:34,400
Thank you, Valios.

600
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:35,740
Thank you.

601
00:49:35,940 --> 00:49:36,560
All right, thank you, sir.

602
00:49:39,790 --> 00:49:47,870
Mr. Mayor, it would have been possible to transition into agenda item number 12 while we've got shame here and I have that on my list.

603
00:49:48,110 --> 00:49:48,170
Yes.

604
00:49:48,170 --> 00:49:52,750
I'm just looking through here, just to double check.

605
00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:00,340
Yeah, I don't see any reason why not, too.

606
00:50:00,620 --> 00:50:05,540
So great, this time we're gonna move down agenda

607
00:50:07,420 --> 00:50:10,440
and we're gonna go to action item number 12.

608
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,780
Discussion, consideration and possible action

609
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:18,520
on resolution number 23-1994,

610
00:50:19,300 --> 00:50:20,760
a resolution of the City Council

611
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:46,320
Also the City of Logovista, authorizing opposition to legislative changes relating to House Bill 866, 1489, 2127, 2266, 2970, 3921, and Senate Bill 175, 814, 1412, 1421, 1786, and 1787.

612
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:51,340
But and all the information was in your packet.

613
00:50:51,580 --> 00:51:03,700
I do want to note here that when we did our resolution was it six weeks ago, that when

614
00:51:03,700 --> 00:51:12,260
we did that resolution that was authorizing Shane to speak on our behalf, it also included

615
00:51:12,260 --> 00:51:20,800
in opposition to House Bill 866 and a couple of other that were companion bills.

616
00:51:23,900 --> 00:51:35,200
But since we were looking at this, I didn't necessarily want to resubmit that resolution because it had the information about shame in there.

617
00:51:36,760 --> 00:51:45,780
So I added 866 into this one even though we have already done a resolution regarding 866.

618
00:51:48,840 --> 00:51:53,640
So council thoughts, questions on these bills?

619
00:51:54,940 --> 00:51:55,520
Yes.

620
00:51:55,860 --> 00:52:01,860
First, Mr. Mayor, let me, I want to acknowledge you for paying attention to those TML emails

621
00:52:01,860 --> 00:52:07,460
and identifying these items to bring the four council pardon me.

622
00:52:08,340 --> 00:52:14,000
And bringing these to our attention so that we can consider this resolution and

623
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:19,420
make our city's position known to the state legislature.

624
00:52:20,100 --> 00:52:25,880
That we cared greatly about our quality of life out here in log of this step.

625
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:35,560
So to that end, I think everyone has seen an email from Joseph, by now, regarding his

626
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:43,320
input on some revised language that I had requested for Section 4 and Section 7 located

627
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:47,020
on pages 70, 78 and 79 in the packet.

628
00:52:48,360 --> 00:53:04,020
I would like, I'm in favor of this resolution is drafted with the amended language as proposed by the City Attorney for Section 4 and Section 7.

629
00:53:11,930 --> 00:53:13,710
Anybody have an objection with that?

630
00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:21,540
At the moment anyway, we'll make a motion later, but yes sir.

631
00:53:21,540 --> 00:53:26,620
I was just going to say that we also discussed the option of adding some language about

632
00:53:26,620 --> 00:53:31,980
exempting cities that are under certain size and I think that would be a good addition

633
00:53:31,980 --> 00:53:34,640
to the resolution as well if people are amenable to that.

634
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:36,120
So let's talk about that.

635
00:53:36,220 --> 00:53:40,340
What should that number be in that added language?

636
00:53:40,980 --> 00:53:48,460
Say, we saw 85,050, I've always gone with 50 but I like going high and then come down

637
00:53:48,460 --> 00:53:48,800
the 50.

638
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:57,000
85,000 might get the interest of some of those size communities as well.

639
00:53:57,640 --> 00:54:09,040
I think, if Shane can come up, I think that I recall you telling me about one of the pre-emption

640
00:54:10,120 --> 00:54:18,900
bill, there was some interest in carving out an exemption for cities of 85,000 and with

641
00:54:18,900 --> 00:54:23,500
But that being a number that we're hearing from them, maybe that should be our number

642
00:54:23,500 --> 00:54:26,420
that we go with since we've already, it's already come across.

643
00:54:26,580 --> 00:54:29,460
And then can you expound upon that 85,000 number in the preemption consideration?

644
00:54:29,940 --> 00:54:32,560
Yeah, and because you all had brought up the bills, I was looking into it.

645
00:54:32,680 --> 00:54:39,340
So SB 1787 and HB 3921, companion bills, Longbow is the lobby group that is working that

646
00:54:39,340 --> 00:54:39,520
bill.

647
00:54:39,780 --> 00:54:43,260
I thought it might have been the builders of the realtors because they supported it, but it

648
00:54:43,260 --> 00:54:43,780
is Longbow.

649
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:45,460
And I called them and talked to them.

650
00:54:45,460 --> 00:54:49,380
and they said they are working with Senator Benton Court right now on the 85,000 exemptions.

651
00:54:49,540 --> 00:54:54,520
So I usually think 52, and then they said 85, and I'm like, well, that would be great, 85,000 better.

652
00:54:54,980 --> 00:54:59,760
So I think they are currently working on it, but your resolution will kind of help reaffirm that, I think.

653
00:55:00,040 --> 00:55:04,720
And most of these bills, it's Senator Benton Court that you're probably needing to work with.

654
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:07,460
And so if you send it along, maybe send it to him.

655
00:55:07,700 --> 00:55:13,560
If Longbow's saying 85,000 and we put 85,000 in there, we're acknowledging what they're saying.

656
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,420
and that's like, oh good, they'll go with that.

657
00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:20,180
So, you know, yeah, I'm fine with that, okay.

658
00:55:20,380 --> 00:55:23,460
I just threw up 50 earlier because I've known historically,

659
00:55:23,980 --> 00:55:31,630
like that state, for instance, the tax rollback thing,

660
00:55:32,410 --> 00:55:35,090
that was 50,000, so you know,

661
00:55:35,490 --> 00:55:38,190
we have certain exemptions if we're under 50,000.

662
00:55:41,230 --> 00:55:43,990
So, that's my recognition, I like Kevin's idea.

663
00:55:43,990 --> 00:55:53,800
Would you mind kind of filling us in on anything else that you think we would like to know hold on before we get too much into him?

664
00:55:54,180 --> 00:55:54,180
Sure.

665
00:55:56,220 --> 00:56:02,240
My question like on this exemption, this exemption for cities of certain size.

666
00:56:03,160 --> 00:56:08,100
Are we want that to apply to all of these or is it just specific ones?

667
00:56:11,020 --> 00:56:15,460
My personal preference would be all because they all have the opportunity to be able to

668
00:56:15,460 --> 00:56:19,240
be in pass, and if any of them are passed, it would be great to have that exemption in

669
00:56:19,240 --> 00:56:19,400
there.

670
00:56:20,760 --> 00:56:25,440
To Kevin's point, I think, you know, Benton Court, you know, he's not, he may not be paying

671
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:29,880
attention to all these, but if you tag the 85,000 number to every single one of them, you

672
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,520
know, you're kind of doing that shotgun effect and it'll resonate with the people that it matters

673
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:35,980
most with, you know, if it sticks, it sticks.

674
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:39,860
So no harm in tacking it on to everybody, all of them.

675
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:46,440
Okay, so has anybody had thoughts on removing any of these off the list?

676
00:56:46,980 --> 00:56:51,300
I can tell you, when I've posted some of this information on social media,

677
00:56:51,880 --> 00:56:57,520
the accessory dwelling unit, there's been about 50-50 in the comments

678
00:56:57,520 --> 00:57:00,300
because there's a lot of people that are like, you know what'd be nice

679
00:57:00,300 --> 00:57:03,070
if I had in a garage apartment for my housekeeper

680
00:57:03,070 --> 00:57:12,970
keeper or my olderly relative or my child and there was some and I don't

681
00:57:12,970 --> 00:57:16,250
really know what to think of that one. I look at everything worst case

682
00:57:16,250 --> 00:57:20,330
scenarios. So we let people do that all the time now, you know,

683
00:57:20,450 --> 00:57:27,930
that's adrenaline. Yeah, I'm sorry. We do not prohibit that now.

684
00:57:28,890 --> 00:57:36,910
Well, what we limit is the size in relation to the primary residence in 50% okay, correct.

685
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:39,470
So I knew we had accessory buildings.

686
00:57:39,490 --> 00:57:40,550
I've seen those come.

687
00:57:40,670 --> 00:57:41,310
We have accessories.

688
00:57:42,810 --> 00:57:46,030
The sale accessory building, which could be a dwelling unit is what you're seeing.

689
00:57:46,330 --> 00:57:50,970
And a lot of them are partially, a lot of them are combinations of both, partial dwelling

690
00:57:50,970 --> 00:57:52,510
unit, partial accessory building.

691
00:57:52,670 --> 00:57:53,530
So we limit to one.

692
00:57:53,650 --> 00:57:54,410
We limit size.

693
00:57:54,410 --> 00:58:00,430
We have actually limited to two extra so again if we're already allowing that

694
00:58:00,430 --> 00:58:03,270
Is this a bill that we want to oppose?

695
00:58:03,570 --> 00:58:09,750
Well, we're allowing the accessory buildings but not but the dwelling unit aspect of it would be new to our city, correct?

696
00:58:10,070 --> 00:58:13,310
Well, no, we don't restrict it now and this bill had prohibit us

697
00:58:13,310 --> 00:58:22,030
Restricting something we don't restrict, but if you wanted to say restrict it you can only have this or that or the other

698
00:58:22,030 --> 00:58:26,770
you know, in any way, you don't have to absolutely prohibit it. But, you know,

699
00:58:27,670 --> 00:58:33,350
by only concern that comes to mind, I don't know how valid a concern it is, but is, you know,

700
00:58:33,470 --> 00:58:40,070
if suddenly everybody's putting 800 square foot or up to 50 percent dwelling units, accessory

701
00:58:40,070 --> 00:58:44,310
buildings on their property, assuming there's room for it, given our setbacks and such,

702
00:58:45,310 --> 00:58:51,830
you're increasing that effectively adding new LUEs on burning our city water and sewer with

703
00:58:51,830 --> 00:58:54,630
new LUEs that weren't necessarily anticipated.

704
00:58:55,670 --> 00:58:57,450
That's the only concern that comes to mind.

705
00:58:57,450 --> 00:59:02,270
If people sawpically, I mean, we're talking about, you know, state mandated zoning restrictions

706
00:59:02,270 --> 00:59:07,490
and telling local governments how they need to administer zoning.

707
00:59:07,690 --> 00:59:09,570
And that's kind of offensive at its core.

708
00:59:09,850 --> 00:59:10,990
It is. It's federalists.

709
00:59:11,410 --> 00:59:15,350
And no, Joe and I, you should have heard us ran one day.

710
00:59:17,290 --> 00:59:20,630
So if we were going to pull something out, I would be OK with pulling this out.

711
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:27,950
I'm not passionate about this one yeah well I mean we can we can leave it in here

712
00:59:27,950 --> 00:59:34,050
based on that fundamental fundamental thing but passing it is not going to

713
00:59:34,050 --> 00:59:41,110
change the way we right currently I'm sorry I'm not done hurt to leave it yeah yeah

714
00:59:41,110 --> 00:59:46,970
okay that's gonna be my comment that it doesn't hurt to leave it in yeah I would be

715
00:59:46,970 --> 00:59:53,090
opposed to removing anything from the resolution and the reason is because there's a bigger

716
00:59:53,090 --> 00:59:58,050
issue here that kind of envelops all of these items that we've got and that is who's going

717
00:59:58,050 --> 00:59:59,970
to dictate what our community is doing.

718
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:29,440
What does the efficacy of home rule anymore if state laws keep getting passed like this, that prohibit our local community from building the necessary rules and restrictions we need to create a living environment that our community looks for? With your permission, this has been a very

719
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:35,720
significant and heartfelt issue to me and I would like to make a statement to

720
01:00:35,720 --> 01:00:37,740
address that bigger issue if I may.

721
01:00:40,200 --> 01:00:43,780
Thanks very much. The

722
01:00:46,630 --> 01:00:48,150
government closes to

723
01:00:48,150 --> 01:00:55,010
the people best serves the people. Thomas Jefferson said that. And with that as

724
01:00:55,010 --> 01:01:01,050
a foundation, home rule was established by our state but by the voters of this

725
01:01:01,050 --> 01:01:08,210
state by amendment to our state constitution in 1912. Its purpose was to give cities with

726
01:01:08,210 --> 01:01:14,590
over 5,000 inhabitants the power to adopt their own charter thereby giving them the power

727
01:01:14,590 --> 01:01:21,510
of self-government. A homeral city such as Lagovista can pass any regulations or laws that

728
01:01:21,510 --> 01:01:26,870
deemed necessary unless the state law specifically prohibits it.

729
01:01:28,110 --> 01:01:34,350
Over the past few years, a powerful contingent of state lawmakers have demonstrated their

730
01:01:34,350 --> 01:01:38,610
disagreement with Jefferson and the spirit of our state constitution.

731
01:01:39,270 --> 01:01:45,470
They have taken it upon themselves to severely restrict the ability of local citizens to control

732
01:01:45,470 --> 01:01:48,210
the living environments of their local communities.

733
01:01:48,210 --> 01:01:55,210
These state representatives and senators have demonstrated little or no concern about

734
01:01:55,210 --> 01:02:03,030
how dense our local population may be, no concern about how our community is designed

735
01:02:03,030 --> 01:02:09,930
to best serve the needs and wishes of our citizens, including consideration of the unique

736
01:02:09,930 --> 01:02:14,090
characteristics of our community, for example, our topography.

737
01:02:14,090 --> 01:02:20,850
No concern about what demands on our local services and infrastructure unwanted growth

738
01:02:20,850 --> 01:02:22,050
may require.

739
01:02:22,650 --> 01:02:30,350
However, they do want to limit how we can finance this forced excessive spending that is

740
01:02:30,350 --> 01:02:32,970
paid for by your local tax dollars.

741
01:02:33,870 --> 01:02:41,830
No consideration for measures designed to protect our citizens from unscrupulous and irresponsible

742
01:02:41,830 --> 01:02:44,110
business practices that may occur.

743
01:02:44,950 --> 01:02:51,350
No concern about our ability to join with other communities to speak with a common voice

744
01:02:51,910 --> 01:02:56,830
against excessive micromanagement of local matters by the state.

745
01:02:57,930 --> 01:03:06,670
Often these state mandated limitations on local authority are disguised as protection of individual

746
01:03:06,670 --> 01:03:08,030
landowner's rights.

747
01:03:08,030 --> 01:03:16,550
But when the thin veil of this disguise is removed, what we find is legislation designed

748
01:03:16,550 --> 01:03:23,690
to encourage the maximization of profits by developers and land speculators at the

749
01:03:23,690 --> 01:03:29,930
expense of communities to determine the nature of their local living environment.

750
01:03:30,830 --> 01:03:36,810
What Jefferson said is right, government closest to the people serves the people best.

751
01:03:36,810 --> 01:03:44,770
Your city officials are right here with you in Lagovista every day, day in, and day out.

752
01:03:45,150 --> 01:03:47,410
We are your neighbors and your friends.

753
01:03:47,950 --> 01:03:51,430
We see you at our local markets and restaurants and businesses.

754
01:03:52,050 --> 01:03:54,110
We attend church with you.

755
01:03:54,790 --> 01:03:57,610
Your public schools are our public schools.

756
01:03:58,330 --> 01:04:04,310
This is your council elected exclusively by the citizens of Lagovista.

757
01:04:04,310 --> 01:04:11,830
It meets every two weeks in public and invites your participation and advice.

758
01:04:12,430 --> 01:04:17,810
We provide you with a forum at our meetings to present your thoughts on any matter you

759
01:04:17,810 --> 01:04:19,210
desire to raise.

760
01:04:20,050 --> 01:04:26,550
Local government is by far the most responsive level of government to the will of the people.

761
01:04:27,590 --> 01:04:33,750
Matters may not always be resolved consistent with an individual citizen's position

762
01:04:33,750 --> 01:04:40,550
on a particular issue, but the voices of our community are always taken into consideration.

763
01:04:41,830 --> 01:04:49,670
Local government sensitivity to community opinion is far more robust than a state legislature

764
01:04:49,670 --> 01:04:57,430
that meets for five months every two years, conducts few if any local hearings on issues,

765
01:04:57,430 --> 01:05:07,270
and makes no meaningful effort to consider your opinion on matters that will greatly affect your everyday life in Logo Vista.

766
01:05:07,810 --> 01:05:21,810
It is for these reasons that I vigorously support this resolution tonight as drafted and I humbly ask that you and my fellow council members do the same. Thanks.

767
01:05:21,810 --> 01:05:32,320
all right here here all right I'm going to call 8 we're going to recess 734 can you get

768
01:05:32,320 --> 01:05:42,880
back in yeah all right we're reconvening at 742 we have a signal we're going to try I'm

769
01:05:42,880 --> 01:05:48,840
sorry we need to make sure that we're recording the spanking okay we're

770
01:06:19,240 --> 01:06:21,000
good all right yep I

771
01:06:21,000 --> 01:06:21,820
So

772
01:06:25,430 --> 01:06:31,610
we heard from Gage, is there anyone else who would like to comment?

773
01:06:33,330 --> 01:06:36,010
I agree, I just can't see you pulling anything off the leg.

774
01:06:36,030 --> 01:06:37,710
I'm bigger street support, Gage's comments.

775
01:06:37,950 --> 01:06:38,550
Yep, absolutely.

776
01:06:39,390 --> 01:06:40,390
Yep, well said, Gage.

777
01:06:40,610 --> 01:06:41,190
Yep, did okay.

778
01:06:41,630 --> 01:06:42,210
Very well said.

779
01:06:42,730 --> 01:06:42,990
Thanks.

780
01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:46,190
I think it's a great idea to post that social media somewhere.

781
01:06:49,260 --> 01:06:53,600
So from here, my only concern is if something else comes up.

782
01:06:53,600 --> 01:07:01,280
you know, like it was a shame pointed out, we're down to like 39 days. I don't know what

783
01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:07,940
else is out there. I've been trying to watch things that come across. You know, I don't

784
01:07:07,940 --> 01:07:08,180
know,

785
01:07:10,950 --> 01:07:17,170
you know, how do we proceed if something else comes up that we don't like? So, so we

786
01:07:17,170 --> 01:07:24,290
could consider adding that language at the end of your of the document that just says

787
01:07:24,290 --> 01:07:39,330
As we also oppose any bill that goes against these things, and that might encapsulate it there, since we may not have time to draw up additional resolutions for specific bills.

788
01:07:39,330 --> 01:07:39,350
I think we're going to have to

789
01:07:39,350 --> 01:07:39,390
do a couple of things.

790
01:07:40,530 --> 01:07:40,970
Okay.

791
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:45,900
Then 85,000.

792
01:07:46,020 --> 01:07:46,820
Be the number.

793
01:07:48,260 --> 01:07:49,920
Yeah, we'll make that make that a

794
01:07:49,920 --> 01:07:50,340
new motion.

795
01:07:51,180 --> 01:07:52,040
All right.

796
01:07:53,420 --> 01:07:54,760
Shane, do you have anything you

797
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:55,060
want to.

798
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:58,060
I cut you off earlier, but.

799
01:08:02,740 --> 01:08:03,980
Intense to deliver this to the

800
01:08:03,980 --> 01:08:04,440
legislature.

801
01:08:05,260 --> 01:08:06,760
One thing to keep in mind here that

802
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:07,880
is in terms of the long term

803
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:09,040
relationship with our current

804
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:09,620
representative.

805
01:08:09,840 --> 01:08:11,200
A number of these bills are she's

806
01:08:11,200 --> 01:08:12,660
a co-author on one of them.

807
01:08:12,660 --> 01:08:17,900
She's the house sponsor on it might be best to deliver this to her in person with the softer

808
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:23,080
You know, this is how the city feels is why we feel this we understand that you've taken this position

809
01:08:23,080 --> 01:08:28,300
But let's work together if they're in the interim so that you understand where we're at on these types of bills going forward

810
01:08:28,300 --> 01:08:31,160
Because if you just blindly give it they should take a fence

811
01:08:31,160 --> 01:08:35,160
I don't know I'm just just thinking outside the box. I mean you guys do however you plan to do it

812
01:08:35,160 --> 01:08:39,460
But that was my true sense on it and then I think you kind of just alluded to the other thing

813
01:08:39,460 --> 01:08:44,460
as to say, you might not have time, but it's always good if you have a resolution to oppose

814
01:08:44,460 --> 01:08:47,720
bills, that you maybe have another resolution of bills that you do support.

815
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:51,220
And I've always been told, in the capital, there's a balance of if you oppose something,

816
01:08:51,400 --> 01:08:55,580
you need to have things you support, and so your political capital is always being balanced

817
01:08:55,580 --> 01:08:55,880
out.

818
01:08:56,120 --> 01:09:01,720
There are a couple of great bills out there, SB28, that has a huge water infrastructure bill.

819
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:05,680
It's going to create another fund in the Texas Water Development Board to help go out

820
01:09:05,680 --> 01:09:09,860
and find over 7 million acre feet of water a year for the state of Texas.

821
01:09:10,580 --> 01:09:13,000
I think that all across the board, everyone's really supporting that.

822
01:09:13,180 --> 01:09:13,760
It's a great bill.

823
01:09:14,500 --> 01:09:17,180
And then you could take a stab at, I don't know which one it is,

824
01:09:17,260 --> 01:09:19,260
but one of these property tax bills is good to pass.

825
01:09:19,380 --> 01:09:22,200
If you want to weigh in on the senator, the house's version,

826
01:09:22,440 --> 01:09:25,140
the house's lower the appraisal cap to 5%.

827
01:09:25,140 --> 01:09:28,300
The Senate's is raising the homestead to 75,000.

828
01:09:29,080 --> 01:09:30,840
I, you know, however, you guys feel about that.

829
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:34,540
And then there's a, there's an economic development bill out there

830
01:09:34,540 --> 01:09:39,400
that you could support but just be something that if you want more ideas I could come with

831
01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:44,040
a bill list of things that it seems like we might support and if you have time to get another

832
01:09:44,040 --> 01:09:47,060
resolution out I think that always helps so that they don't feel like you're just attacking

833
01:09:47,440 --> 01:09:51,160
and you're also of supporting. So you don't you don't think we should attach gauges

834
01:09:52,300 --> 01:09:58,280
speech to? I actually do. I think you can make it an addendum to however you're delivering this

835
01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:03,860
and I can help. I think that'd be great. Also I can as we talked about TLO if any of these bills

836
01:10:03,860 --> 01:10:10,540
that are specifically on here. Have another hearing to go. I can let you know how to submit that as a written testimony because I think that was great testimony.

837
01:10:11,780 --> 01:10:12,540
Awesome. Yeah.

838
01:10:13,720 --> 01:10:18,840
So your email you had in a subsequent email you sent with a list of resolutions.

839
01:10:19,480 --> 01:10:22,940
One of them was that the 5% cap on property taxes.

840
01:10:24,280 --> 01:10:26,860
Future Regina item resolution on that would be great.

841
01:10:27,460 --> 01:10:31,740
The water one that Greg Abbott's actually behind the one you're speaking to.

842
01:10:31,740 --> 01:10:35,960
That would be a good one to have as a future agenda item. I think I forwarded that one to you in an email

843
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,620
So the other was sorry SB7 the electric grid

844
01:10:40,620 --> 01:10:45,000
Then we just had a little power out there. That's another good one if you want to add as a support

845
01:10:45,540 --> 01:10:50,520
There's three Tracy's taking notes. So here's my I got it

846
01:10:51,080 --> 01:10:52,420
For me is procedural

847
01:10:52,980 --> 01:10:57,760
Because we're not going to have another council meeting till May 4th thing though. We need to happen tonight

848
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:00,380
so can we just get

849
01:11:00,380 --> 01:11:06,760
If the Tracy, you have the names of those in the motion, we can also have a supporting resolution.

850
01:11:07,040 --> 01:11:12,660
Provide direction to draw up a resolution that supports certain mills.

851
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:22,260
And I would put for the suggestion on the property tax and trying not to offend anyone to say we're in favor of the general idea of lowering property taxes and

852
01:11:22,260 --> 01:11:25,660
leave it up to the legislature to figure out the best way to go about doing it.

853
01:11:25,660 --> 01:11:31,060
instead of supporting either the 5% or the 70,000 exemption, just a suggestion.

854
01:11:33,300 --> 01:11:33,440
Okay.

855
01:11:33,960 --> 01:11:35,580
Is there any casino bills out there?

856
01:11:35,860 --> 01:11:36,680
There is.

857
01:11:37,380 --> 01:11:42,000
I can tell you that they are not going to survive the antenna governor as very against it.

858
01:11:46,430 --> 01:11:46,850
No, yeah.

859
01:11:47,150 --> 01:11:53,730
I mean, I've kind of looked at, I've been focused on, you know, the things that are affected

860
01:11:53,730 --> 01:11:55,990
in this negative week, and I have it all.

861
01:11:56,330 --> 01:11:59,150
I've come across some that I could support,

862
01:11:59,350 --> 01:12:01,630
but I don't know what they all remembered their numbers

863
01:12:01,630 --> 01:12:03,130
or their titles or anything.

864
01:12:04,070 --> 01:12:08,770
So for me to add stuff tonight, I just don't know.

865
01:12:09,430 --> 01:12:11,610
We've got three traces got up in the notes

866
01:12:11,610 --> 01:12:13,010
and we can just reference that promotion.

867
01:12:13,530 --> 01:12:17,070
And the electric grid is SB 983.

868
01:12:18,630 --> 01:12:19,750
I'm working on it.

869
01:12:19,890 --> 01:12:20,670
I'm working on it.

870
01:12:20,670 --> 01:12:31,010
And he said the very first one that you mentioned was that we don't have these bills to support of anything on the agenda, I think we're out of order.

871
01:12:32,010 --> 01:12:33,170
Joe, yeah, it's good.

872
01:12:33,530 --> 01:12:33,610
Yeah.

873
01:12:34,290 --> 01:12:35,370
It's a good point.

874
01:12:36,790 --> 01:12:38,470
Joe, you got ideas how we can get these in?

875
01:12:42,720 --> 01:12:53,760
So within the resolution, you've got a support of legislation that allows jurisdictions to do things that are opposed to what you're opposing.

876
01:12:53,760 --> 01:13:03,060
So that's the way opposing these bills by supporting contrary legislation, you could weasel it in I don't

877
01:13:03,060 --> 01:13:08,000
You can fit it in that was a derogatory term. I use that I apologize

878
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:12,960
Okay, I get that I was wondering that but I

879
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:16,920
Would you be okay with that rub? What's that would you feel comfortable with that?

880
01:13:17,400 --> 01:13:23,400
Well, I don't know I'm not particularly comfortable with writing another resolution while we're sitting here

881
01:13:24,140 --> 01:13:31,520
That's more my objection than anything else, but we can add it on to the end of this one.

882
01:13:31,680 --> 01:13:43,800
You do have some catch-all language at the end of this resolution, which supports legislation that gives you local control consistent with council members, hunts, comments.

883
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:55,640
But if I might, Mayor, yes, I mean, looking at the agenda item, it's pretty specific that this resolution is about

884
01:13:55,640 --> 01:14:00,240
the ones that we're opposing. So to all of a sudden, as much as I would like to

885
01:14:00,240 --> 01:14:04,600
tonight, I don't know that we really should add the things that we want to

886
01:14:04,600 --> 01:14:06,980
support. Fair position. Okay.

887
01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:13,580
But it's a really good point that we're not going

888
01:14:13,580 --> 01:14:17,020
to meet again in a timely fashion to really send something that supports stuff to be

889
01:14:17,020 --> 01:14:18,420
honest with you. And that's shame.

890
01:14:20,460 --> 01:14:22,220
Yeah. I mean, it's a really good point,

891
01:14:22,220 --> 01:14:24,960
Shane, if we're going to poke him in the eye,

892
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:26,800
what, you know, shake their hand and say thank you too.

893
01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:28,980
And it's a shame we didn't do that.

894
01:14:29,440 --> 01:14:31,560
I mean, it doesn't have to be in a resolution too,

895
01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:32,640
like we could still go forward.

896
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:35,000
And you guys could submit a letter from the mayor,

897
01:14:35,140 --> 01:14:35,680
things like that.

898
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:36,880
It's still pretty nice.

899
01:14:37,320 --> 01:14:39,880
Well, and I was going to say to your point,

900
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,360
there's a separate from the resolution.

901
01:14:43,440 --> 01:14:45,980
There's a delivery method in plan, right?

902
01:14:46,140 --> 01:14:49,780
And so we already talked about attaching gauges memo

903
01:14:49,780 --> 01:14:51,260
as we delivered this.

904
01:14:51,260 --> 01:14:57,120
I think we could certainly have a little, you know, other city cover letter with it that says we

905
01:14:57,120 --> 01:14:59,780
appreciate efforts to do things at the state level around.

906
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:26,800
The property tax reduction and water resources and some of the things we talked about here, really appreciate the good work that's going on in the legislature. This term, we do have concerns with small city impact things across a number of things and we wanted to call those to your attention. So I think a cover letter to that effect would be very useful in the dilemma. And you suggested, I didn't really hear a lot of feedback that might be best for us to deliver it specifically to Mr. Troxco's office.

907
01:15:27,980 --> 01:15:36,860
would it be best to just deliver it to her, or are there another one, two, or 12 other places where we should deliver it?

908
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:42,040
I think multiple, I mean you're taking the time to draft it and pass it, so it might still make the most use of it.

909
01:15:42,160 --> 01:15:47,660
So I think any of the bill authors that these bills are, if you're good to go to them, whatever committee they're currently in, send it to that committee.

910
01:15:48,220 --> 01:15:54,140
I just think, so she's our representative, she just gets the courtesy of a face-to-face even Senator Campbell.

911
01:15:54,140 --> 01:15:58,680
Well, I think one of these bills Senator Campbell might be a co-author on it'll be great for her to

912
01:15:58,680 --> 01:16:08,280
What shame would you be willing to do that for us? I can't yeah, I mean I do think it is more impactful that one of you

913
01:16:08,280 --> 01:16:12,120
The mayor would do it too, but I would for sure I can make the first contact and do that

914
01:16:12,120 --> 01:16:15,860
I was gonna take a day off to say or good

915
01:16:16,240 --> 01:16:20,040
Good work. You can go down and do it. Just deliver it to a bunch of

916
01:16:24,080 --> 01:16:26,580
I'd be happy to join

917
01:16:30,030 --> 01:16:33,350
or get it together for you, the agenda, whatever.

918
01:16:34,730 --> 01:16:34,930
Cool.

919
01:16:36,270 --> 01:16:37,290
All right, thank you.

920
01:16:39,150 --> 01:16:39,550
So,

921
01:16:42,210 --> 01:16:44,810
here's what I'm looking for when we get ready to make a motion.

922
01:16:47,570 --> 01:16:57,430
One, the resolution, any additions, I think we have, you know, the exception for city

923
01:16:57,430 --> 01:16:58,010
size.

924
01:16:58,230 --> 01:16:59,230
I got a bunch of notes here.

925
01:16:59,430 --> 01:16:59,630
I don't know.

926
01:16:59,830 --> 01:17:01,050
All those taking notes as well.

927
01:17:01,290 --> 01:17:01,810
There was some.

928
01:17:02,050 --> 01:17:02,850
That's taking notes as well.

929
01:17:02,930 --> 01:17:08,110
But you have a knack for being able to recap things really well, Mr. Prince, and there was

930
01:17:08,110 --> 01:17:16,230
some other language that's all of them have brought forth attaching the city

931
01:17:16,230 --> 01:17:21,310
science. Yeah, we get the. In my notes, I've got the language from our city

932
01:17:21,310 --> 01:17:26,410
attorney. Yeah, the city small city size kind of writer across the board. We've

933
01:17:26,410 --> 01:17:31,790
got the delivery methodology. Yes, right, which includes attaching gauges memo,

934
01:17:32,110 --> 01:17:35,430
attaching a cover letter as I just talked about. Okay. But catch all language for

935
01:17:35,430 --> 01:17:39,630
or just in general opposing any other bills

936
01:17:39,630 --> 01:17:43,490
that would be contrary to.

937
01:17:43,850 --> 01:17:45,830
And I think since we're not going to be coming back again

938
01:17:45,830 --> 01:17:50,410
tonight, I would, if I make a motion in a minute,

939
01:17:50,950 --> 01:17:55,150
it would include authorizing certain people,

940
01:17:55,410 --> 01:17:57,130
probably the city manager and the mayor

941
01:17:57,130 --> 01:18:00,410
to choose the language of that cover letter

942
01:18:01,060 --> 01:18:03,870
without having to come back to us for final approval.

943
01:18:03,870 --> 01:18:04,970
Yeah, I

944
01:18:06,980 --> 01:18:08,840
think that covers what I was looking for.

945
01:18:12,440 --> 01:18:14,620
Any further discussion council?

946
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:19,780
Hold on. Let's see. Let me go to my list here before we head chain.

947
01:18:22,160 --> 01:18:23,780
Rachel, are you with us?

948
01:18:27,130 --> 01:18:30,570
I see no, all right. There she is. Rachel, I have you signed up.

949
01:18:31,490 --> 01:18:40,950
Hey, can you guys hear me? Yes. Okay, perfect. So I'm really great conversation. I'm super excited that you guys are pushing this

950
01:18:40,950 --> 01:18:51,990
I'm engaged. I'm a little upset because our internet went out right in the middle of your speech and I was so like fired up and it was great. So totally support that.

951
01:18:52,670 --> 01:19:04,130
So just wanted to thank you guys for bringing these bills to the public's attention. I've seen it on social media. So specifically, thank you, Mr. Mayor, Mr. Robert, you've also spoke to it on social media.

952
01:19:04,130 --> 01:19:21,450
So just making people aware of what's going on engage actually something very similar to what I'm saying, which is I'm a firm believer that those who govern closest govern best so this is a complete overreach at the state level and I don't agree with what they're trying to pass.

953
01:19:21,650 --> 01:19:26,210
It's definitely going to impact everyone's quality of life in a small town like logo best up.

954
01:19:26,770 --> 01:19:29,110
So just let us know what support you need.

955
01:19:29,110 --> 01:19:33,230
I've already emailed our representatives, so keep fighting the good fight, guys.

956
01:19:36,260 --> 01:19:36,580
Thank you.

957
01:19:37,240 --> 01:19:37,640
Thank you.

958
01:19:40,420 --> 01:19:41,920
And Chess, Riker.

959
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:47,020
Oh, he's online too.

960
01:19:47,220 --> 01:19:49,020
Chess, are you with us?

961
01:19:50,870 --> 01:19:51,710
Yeah, I'm sorry about that.

962
01:19:51,770 --> 01:19:52,450
I can't get out of here.

963
01:19:54,990 --> 01:19:58,470
We need your camera as well for the recording.

964
01:20:03,450 --> 01:20:04,150
Thank you.

965
01:20:05,450 --> 01:20:06,290
Good to see you guys.

966
01:20:06,290 --> 01:20:12,590
If I wanted to say a thanks as well for creating the resolution, not the addition of these,

967
01:20:14,090 --> 01:20:15,130
that in the house bill.

968
01:20:15,190 --> 01:20:16,330
Hold on just a second, Chaz.

969
01:20:17,890 --> 01:20:19,110
We can't hear him.

970
01:20:19,490 --> 01:20:21,270
Is that him or is that us?

971
01:20:23,110 --> 01:20:27,130
Is it possible Mr. Meredith to close these doors and would that make it quieter in here?

972
01:20:28,730 --> 01:20:29,170
We can try.

973
01:20:30,330 --> 01:20:31,090
I guess coming through.

974
01:20:32,330 --> 01:20:33,810
The rain's really loud.

975
01:20:33,810 --> 01:20:37,790
chance, you'll have to give it right on your mic with the background noise here, it's hard to hear you.

976
01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:47,900
I just wanted to say thanks, I'll keep it short and sweet.

977
01:20:50,440 --> 01:20:54,720
It creates a few guys talking in opposition of these house consent bills.

978
01:20:56,300 --> 01:21:00,820
Like Rachel was talking about, it's a pretty big overview of the reach at the state level.

979
01:21:00,820 --> 01:21:08,340
So, you know, we fully support this resolution to know how we can continue this foreign band

980
01:21:08,340 --> 01:21:09,320
together for the SCOG.

981
01:21:09,700 --> 01:21:15,200
You know, it's something that we're pretty passionate about, and, you know, like Rachel said,

982
01:21:15,340 --> 01:21:20,660
we've already contacted every data and such, so if there's anything else we can do, just

983
01:21:20,660 --> 01:21:25,940
let us know how to pitch in, because this is something that's really important, so thank

984
01:21:25,940 --> 01:21:26,120
you.

985
01:21:28,380 --> 01:21:28,780
Cool.

986
01:21:29,120 --> 01:21:29,360
Thank you.

987
01:21:37,580 --> 01:21:38,380
All right.

988
01:21:38,380 --> 01:21:41,020
I'll bring it back to council and any further discussion

989
01:21:41,020 --> 01:21:43,120
or if you'll already, I'll entertain a motion.

990
01:21:44,200 --> 01:21:50,740
Mayor, I would like to make a motion that we approve resolution 23-1994

991
01:21:51,380 --> 01:21:56,660
as written tonight with amendments to include the language that has been suggested

992
01:21:56,660 --> 01:21:59,220
by the city attorney and a note that he distributed.

993
01:22:00,220 --> 01:22:06,400
And that we also add language that would include exclusions from all bills

994
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:35,680
for cities under the size of 85,000 population and then as the resolution is delivered, we would like the memo that Gage Hunt read to us earlier to be attached to that resolution and a supporting cover letter from the city be drafted which would include some language thanking the legislature for their good work on statewide issues such as

995
01:22:35,680 --> 01:22:43,840
addressing water supply, electric grid issues and property tax reduction and request that they

996
01:22:45,940 --> 01:22:52,800
acknowledge the need for small cities to maintain the ability to govern well close to the people.

997
01:22:53,360 --> 01:22:59,100
And that that cover letter we would give authorization to the mayor and the city manager to

998
01:22:59,100 --> 01:23:02,020
to come up with the final language.

999
01:23:02,340 --> 01:23:02,520
Second.

1000
01:23:06,160 --> 01:23:07,560
All right, I have the motion in the second,

1001
01:23:07,680 --> 01:23:09,380
any discussion on the motion?

1002
01:23:10,860 --> 01:23:13,260
All right, all those in favor say aye.

1003
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:13,960
Aye.

1004
01:23:14,620 --> 01:23:15,720
All those opposed, nay?

1005
01:23:16,660 --> 01:23:17,360
Here you none.

1006
01:23:18,020 --> 01:23:19,360
Resolution passes unanimous.

1007
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:22,540
All right, now we're going to seven.

1008
01:23:24,180 --> 01:23:26,460
Action item seven, discussion, consideration,

1009
01:23:26,780 --> 01:23:29,020
and possible action regarding a request

1010
01:23:29,520 --> 01:23:31,300
from a lot of these independent school district

1011
01:23:31,300 --> 01:23:41,400
for the city to review the permit fee price for the construction of the student activity center permit and reconsider the quoted fee price.

1012
01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:47,260
Has everybody reviewed this one?

1013
01:23:59,770 --> 01:24:02,070
So I was looking to it and

1014
01:24:05,520 --> 01:24:07,900
I looked at the recommendation from staff.

1015
01:24:10,860 --> 01:24:13,440
The recommendation from staff seemed reasonable to me.

1016
01:24:13,440 --> 01:24:22,840
So, yeah, once upon a time we had even better methods, construction cost is a very accurate

1017
01:24:22,840 --> 01:24:29,440
indication of how much effort is required, unfortunately when you rely on contractors

1018
01:24:29,440 --> 01:24:36,380
who have to pay the permit fees, they have a tendency to underestimate what the real cost

1019
01:24:36,380 --> 01:24:36,800
is.

1020
01:24:37,120 --> 01:24:42,780
And so some cities have come up with elaborate methods where the staff does the estimation

1021
01:24:42,780 --> 01:24:45,800
based on our SME and data and stuff like that.

1022
01:24:46,040 --> 01:24:48,380
But then you start using abbreviated methods

1023
01:24:48,380 --> 01:24:51,440
that you use average unit cost

1024
01:24:51,440 --> 01:24:55,460
and you lose the complexity that's really reflected.

1025
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:58,020
I found this one in the city, Austin.

1026
01:24:59,100 --> 01:25:00,100
It's not perfect.

1027
01:25:00,380 --> 01:25:01,500
It took a long time.

1028
01:25:01,620 --> 01:25:04,080
I didn't mind doing it for this one occasion, obviously.

1029
01:25:05,060 --> 01:25:07,960
It seemed to be as fair as anything.

1030
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:11,380
Absent the accurate construction costs.

1031
01:25:11,380 --> 01:25:18,920
And like I said, I'm not so sure any cities even use the actual construction cost anymore because it's not just, you know,

1032
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:23,580
in Texas where you have this problem, it's everywhere. It's kind of abandoned. You know, they keep

1033
01:25:23,580 --> 01:25:29,180
sample inches of it, but like I said, it's, you don't get it from the contractor anymore. You generate the cost.

1034
01:25:34,220 --> 01:25:34,620
Shilane.

1035
01:25:35,500 --> 01:25:41,100
Thank you, Mayor. I have a couple of questions. The first one has to do with the calculation.

1036
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:51,420
I used the numbers that were provided in the cover page, the $0.85 per square foot, and

1037
01:25:51,420 --> 01:25:54,440
multiply that by the square footage indicated.

1038
01:25:55,100 --> 01:25:56,520
And I came up with a different number.

1039
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:00,800
Yeah, I came up with even adding the $600 to it.

1040
01:26:00,840 --> 01:26:05,760
I came up with $44,1010 and $65, not $52,000, $7.52.

1041
01:26:06,000 --> 01:26:08,580
Can you help me understand how that number was arrived?

1042
01:26:08,580 --> 01:26:16,800
I didn't bring the bike down with me, but there are other components of that thing that are not part of that general fee.

1043
01:26:17,360 --> 01:26:22,340
There's the electrical HVAC, how much the review fees, all that sort of thing.

1044
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:27,620
Okay, and would those need to be included in any sort of reduction if we do a reduction?

1045
01:26:28,100 --> 01:26:31,220
No, they're included in what I gave you in the $10,000.

1046
01:26:32,180 --> 01:26:33,660
Okay, and then the another question I have.

1047
01:26:33,660 --> 01:26:40,600
not included in the 85 census. Okay. Another question I have in the on the first

1048
01:26:40,600 --> 01:26:48,120
page of the cover page and to the financial impact, it's noted that the fee

1049
01:26:48,120 --> 01:26:53,140
that the city charges includes a component to offset street repairs caused by

1050
01:26:53,140 --> 01:26:58,720
construction equipment. My question is, wouldn't there still potentially need to be

1051
01:26:58,720 --> 01:27:02,000
street repairs from construction equipment whether it's an open, it's an

1052
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:08,480
open well building or a closed building is going to require a lot of concrete right so right

1053
01:27:08,480 --> 01:27:15,240
and and what basically what you do right now is you earmark two thirds of the permit fee and we

1054
01:27:15,240 --> 01:27:24,920
would still do the same thing based on on what you did when when we increase that fee we earmarked

1055
01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:30,780
that addition and I'm not sure it was that much more on commercial construction it was that much more

1056
01:27:30,780 --> 01:27:40,380
on residential construction. I think the increase on commercial was much more minute if you will, but it's still there.

1057
01:27:40,880 --> 01:27:47,560
So it's not an addition. You're saying that the amount that you're recommending would still include that those.

1058
01:27:47,980 --> 01:27:52,780
The remarks in our fee now we would we would ask you to leave those your marks in there.

1059
01:27:52,780 --> 01:28:04,580
Okay. And then I think my last two questions left. Are there any of these fees that are

1060
01:28:04,580 --> 01:28:09,180
included in that total amount that really we don't have the authority to waive? Are there

1061
01:28:09,180 --> 01:28:13,240
any that are like state mandated or anything like that that we we don't have as an

1062
01:28:13,240 --> 01:28:18,380
municipality the authority to waive? The hardest thing to do apples to apples was the fact

1063
01:28:18,380 --> 01:28:25,540
that you pay all of your inspection fees as you go in Austin, and in our case, they're

1064
01:28:25,540 --> 01:28:27,280
all built into the permit fee.

1065
01:28:28,220 --> 01:28:37,180
So guessing how many inspections are required and also some assumptions on my part, whereas

1066
01:28:37,180 --> 01:28:41,880
I don't really know, so that's the part that was a little bit speculative on my part.

1067
01:28:42,040 --> 01:28:43,080
The rest of it's pretty precise.

1068
01:28:43,740 --> 01:28:47,380
So then the amount that you included, do you think it's enough to cover all of those inspections

1069
01:28:47,380 --> 01:28:52,440
or is there some chance that we may need to say subject to additional fees that need to

1070
01:28:52,440 --> 01:28:59,640
be occurred. A building this size and this simple doesn't have a lot in it. The exaggerated

1071
01:29:00,120 --> 01:29:05,580
thing is compared to a hospital where it's full of stuff that we haven't spent. Not so much

1072
01:29:05,580 --> 01:29:13,740
in this case. So we wouldn't need to say something like plus any unexpected incurred fees or something

1073
01:29:13,740 --> 01:29:14,160
like that.

1074
01:29:14,260 --> 01:29:15,240
We wouldn't need to say that.

1075
01:29:15,560 --> 01:29:15,900
No, ma'am.

1076
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:16,180
Okay.

1077
01:29:16,500 --> 01:29:17,080
We're good.

1078
01:29:17,400 --> 01:29:22,640
And like I said, there was a little bit of speculation on my part, you know, using the

1079
01:29:22,640 --> 01:29:24,600
Austin inspection methods, but.

1080
01:29:25,680 --> 01:29:25,960
Okay.

1081
01:29:26,480 --> 01:29:26,960
Thank you.

1082
01:29:27,060 --> 01:29:27,580
Last question.

1083
01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:32,220
I guess my final question here is, you know, is there any danger that we could be setting

1084
01:29:32,220 --> 01:29:33,280
some sort of a precedent?

1085
01:29:34,200 --> 01:29:34,580
No, ma'am.

1086
01:29:34,700 --> 01:29:41,340
As long as, you know, once again, you know, it's not just, you know, we have a, for example,

1087
01:29:41,340 --> 01:29:45,840
a shell building, a commercial shell building, like a shopping center.

1088
01:29:46,200 --> 01:29:51,160
We have a different fee structure to cover that because like this is just a shell and

1089
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:56,920
then when they put the tenants inside of it, that's when we get another fee.

1090
01:29:57,660 --> 01:29:59,960
you know, if we have another simple building like this,

1091
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,520
We're not, we're not trying to generate revenue here. We're just trying to offset our calls. Okay. Okay. Thank you. We've already said the precedent with ESP1. Okay. Yeah. That was, that was even different. Yeah. It's processed the way the school is. It's much better than the way we're just looking for equity here. Yeah, I don't think I, I wasn't a council then. So I'm not aware of those details, but okay. All right. That's all the questions I have. Thank you. Sir. Thank you, Miss Ben.

1092
01:30:32,600 --> 01:30:40,600
So, you covered much of the same questions I had about state statute, does the city can, the city can't wave impact fees, or we confirm that.

1093
01:30:41,360 --> 01:30:56,880
As far as press, you know, one of the concerns I had is, is waving these fees, you know, and then we have to do it for, while this is 51,000, we do it for someone where it's 51,00, you know, on a smaller scale, but it's all open space.

1094
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:59,780
You know, do we have to do it for them too?

1095
01:31:00,380 --> 01:31:03,060
But then, you know, the realization here,

1096
01:31:03,220 --> 01:31:06,080
what's different about this is while we're reducing the fees,

1097
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:09,200
we're really not, this is taxpayer money.

1098
01:31:09,420 --> 01:31:10,900
It's taxpayer money to the city.

1099
01:31:11,020 --> 01:31:13,400
It's taxpayer money to the school district.

1100
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:16,220
It's really just moving it from one bucket to the other

1101
01:31:16,220 --> 01:31:18,120
as far as taxpayer dollars are concerned.

1102
01:31:18,600 --> 01:31:22,080
So I'm okay with this and I agree with the calculation

1103
01:31:22,080 --> 01:31:24,780
and I'm in favor of approving this.

1104
01:31:27,900 --> 01:31:33,860
I'm in favor of allowing the reduction that we're talking about.

1105
01:31:34,520 --> 01:31:41,200
The methodology sounds fine, Roy is validated against what other municipalities of Louis

1106
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:48,200
City of Austin, what they charge for similar, so the only thing I would ask is that if this

1107
01:31:48,200 --> 01:31:54,820
is the right methodology, then let's take the step to institutionalize it in our fee structure

1108
01:31:55,620 --> 01:31:59,680
ordinance for anybody else that comes down the road with a similar building.

1109
01:32:00,720 --> 01:32:01,500
Good point.

1110
01:32:02,080 --> 01:32:02,920
I wish you with that.

1111
01:32:07,140 --> 01:32:08,160
We're on the same page.

1112
01:32:08,860 --> 01:32:14,440
What we would do is write an exclusion into the fee schedule that talks about large simple

1113
01:32:14,440 --> 01:32:21,640
buildings and defer to this methodology for those, not for the typical little, you know,

1114
01:32:21,760 --> 01:32:23,040
2,000 square foot building.

1115
01:32:24,640 --> 01:32:32,220
Yeah, and to reinforce that, I think, what you've done here is you've said, you didn't

1116
01:32:32,220 --> 01:32:36,580
come here tonight, you didn't come here tonight saying this is a school district, we should

1117
01:32:36,580 --> 01:32:37,260
give them a break.

1118
01:32:37,540 --> 01:32:42,720
You said, this is a building where our normal process does not apply, a more reasonable

1119
01:32:42,720 --> 01:32:47,140
process would result in a much lower fee, and so that reasonable process is something we

1120
01:32:47,140 --> 01:32:54,640
we want to capture and then it would become an exercise for staff and an applicant to

1121
01:32:54,640 --> 01:33:01,560
determine whether this simpler and the idea of a building process or an empty shell process

1122
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:02,400
is more applicable.

1123
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:09,760
And once again, the absolute most accurate and equitable way to do this is if we had absolutely

1124
01:33:09,760 --> 01:33:13,480
reliable construction costs to base it all, that's not going to happen.

1125
01:33:15,140 --> 01:33:21,720
So, in lieu of that, we'll be asking you to bring in a ordinance modification back then.

1126
01:33:21,960 --> 01:33:22,120
Whoa.

1127
01:33:23,180 --> 01:33:23,720
That was close.

1128
01:33:24,180 --> 01:33:24,280
Yeah.

1129
01:33:24,680 --> 01:33:25,380
That reinforcement.

1130
01:33:25,940 --> 01:33:26,820
That's not the ordinance.

1131
01:33:27,120 --> 01:33:28,260
I saw another one just when they go.

1132
01:33:28,580 --> 01:33:30,040
I just saw a sanitary.

1133
01:33:33,940 --> 01:33:38,380
I just got it.

1134
01:33:39,060 --> 01:33:40,020
Are you checking on that, Mary?

1135
01:33:40,060 --> 01:33:41,560
I'll just say I'm in favor of this as well.

1136
01:33:42,060 --> 01:33:42,320
All right.

1137
01:33:42,500 --> 01:33:43,460
Well, I would have bring that out.

1138
01:33:43,460 --> 01:33:53,140
the applicant up? Okay. Point one miles, it says. I think we felt it. Here on back

1139
01:33:53,140 --> 01:33:58,320
my neck. I have Casey Sledge here. He's a program manager who's helping us with the building.

1140
01:34:00,560 --> 01:34:00,820
All right.

1141
01:34:03,830 --> 01:34:09,770
Do you have anything you want? Oh, I just want to thank Roy for visiting

1142
01:34:09,770 --> 01:34:15,530
with us and I know it does take work. Appreciate him kind of visiting with us and

1143
01:34:15,530 --> 01:34:21,590
to agree in about, you know, could we reduce the fees? And, you know, it is a, it's not

1144
01:34:21,590 --> 01:34:27,210
a lot in it. It's going to be a great facility, but there's not a lot of, there's no HVAC,

1145
01:34:27,950 --> 01:34:31,610
not a lot of electricity. And it's just a simple shell. And I'll certainly, in that case,

1146
01:34:31,630 --> 01:34:33,830
he had anything to it. He's more the expert than I am.

1147
01:34:34,310 --> 01:34:40,910
So I think probably my question really is going to be the numbers that Roy has proposed.

1148
01:34:47,010 --> 01:34:51,390
I have no problem with that. I mean, I think Roy was fair on the numbers, and certainly

1149
01:34:51,390 --> 01:34:56,530
I will agree with that and be very thankful that the council changed that direction.

1150
01:34:59,030 --> 01:35:03,770
Good evening, Mayor Councilor Casey Sledge with Sledge interesting. Just a good comment.

1151
01:35:03,970 --> 01:35:08,770
This is a friendly request. Staff has been great with us. We've been working on the 2022

1152
01:35:08,770 --> 01:35:13,710
to bond now for I guess over a year and everything's been really good.

1153
01:35:14,070 --> 01:35:17,930
Roy and Taylor have been nothing but helpful and consistent and really guided us to this

1154
01:35:17,930 --> 01:35:22,670
process and actually a lot of cities probably wouldn't consider this so we really appreciate

1155
01:35:22,670 --> 01:35:23,870
this common sense approach.

1156
01:35:24,470 --> 01:35:30,450
We do think it's right taxpayer to taxpayer anyway so no we applaud this and thank you city

1157
01:35:30,450 --> 01:35:32,050
managers as well.

1158
01:35:32,350 --> 01:35:34,150
Do you have any questions for the applicant?

1159
01:35:38,570 --> 01:35:38,830
Thank you.

1160
01:35:38,830 --> 01:35:44,490
So I'll bring you back to Council then and further discussion or I'll entertain a motion.

1161
01:35:45,030 --> 01:35:45,310
Mr. Mayor.

1162
01:35:46,110 --> 01:35:48,270
I'd like to make a motion to approve agenda item number seven.

1163
01:35:48,730 --> 01:35:49,070
I'll second.

1164
01:35:52,470 --> 01:35:52,730
All right.

1165
01:35:52,850 --> 01:35:54,030
I got a motion in a second.

1166
01:35:55,150 --> 01:35:55,950
Let me see.

1167
01:35:56,790 --> 01:35:59,090
Let me make sure it's worded properly.

1168
01:35:59,310 --> 01:36:05,120
I don't think a agenda item number seven is the proper wording.

1169
01:36:05,740 --> 01:36:12,040
You may want to consider in your motion, including the recommendation from staff at the bottom

1170
01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:13,300
on the page 20 of the packet.

1171
01:36:15,260 --> 01:36:17,120
Yeah, let's see how we,

1172
01:36:20,520 --> 01:36:22,780
again, you may mention the specific

1173
01:36:22,780 --> 01:36:24,940
of the Justice of O'Malley, yeah.

1174
01:36:26,520 --> 01:36:29,160
Prove in the request for Logovitz in the Pinnis School District

1175
01:36:29,160 --> 01:36:35,880
for the permit fee price of, whenever the amount was $10,079.

1176
01:36:36,240 --> 01:36:39,560
Yeah, there's a language in there that I think is really good that we should include,

1177
01:36:39,720 --> 01:36:44,320
right, that waive the entirety that exceeds that number,

1178
01:36:45,040 --> 01:36:48,840
of any required re-inspection fee caused by family inspections.

1179
01:36:49,420 --> 01:36:50,740
I accept that amendment.

1180
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:55,780
I will accept that as well.

1181
01:36:56,980 --> 01:36:58,380
Joe, are you happy with that?

1182
01:37:01,650 --> 01:37:02,470
You could not.

1183
01:37:03,030 --> 01:37:04,210
Oh, no way. Somebody's good.

1184
01:37:04,850 --> 01:37:05,990
I guess they have to hear you.

1185
01:37:06,910 --> 01:37:07,670
The audio is somewhat favorite.

1186
01:37:08,110 --> 01:37:11,590
All right. So we have the motion and the second.

1187
01:37:11,910 --> 01:37:13,250
Any discussion on the motion?

1188
01:37:14,850 --> 01:37:16,150
All those in favor say aye.

1189
01:37:16,150 --> 01:37:18,930
Aye. Aye. All those opposed, nay?

1190
01:37:20,090 --> 01:37:21,910
Very none. The motion carries unanimous.

1191
01:37:22,330 --> 01:37:22,810
Nice guys.

1192
01:37:23,530 --> 01:37:26,170
Sorry, I can't be here into the storm.

1193
01:37:27,670 --> 01:37:28,490
Stay dry out there.

1194
01:37:28,670 --> 01:37:29,210
Yeah, dry chair.

1195
01:37:30,150 --> 01:37:30,590
Thank you.

1196
01:37:33,620 --> 01:37:33,820
Thank you.

1197
01:37:34,020 --> 01:37:34,520
Thank you.

1198
01:37:45,760 --> 01:37:46,640
Thank you.

1199
01:37:46,640 --> 01:37:51,120
part of the consent agenda. So we will do the consent agenda at this time.

1200
01:37:52,560 --> 01:37:57,280
All matters listed under consent agenda are to be considered routine by the City Council

1201
01:37:57,280 --> 01:38:01,920
and will be enacted by one motion. There will not be separate discussion on these items.

1202
01:38:02,160 --> 01:38:07,160
If discussion is desired, that item will be removed from the consent agenda and will be considered

1203
01:38:07,160 --> 01:38:13,700
separately. We have number five, consider approval of the April 6, 2023 meeting minutes and

1204
01:38:13,700 --> 01:38:21,420
number six consider approval of ordnance 23-04-20-01 and ordinance of the city council of the city of

1205
01:38:21,420 --> 01:38:27,360
Lugleby still repealing ordinance number 22-09-01-01 one unless

1206
01:38:31,330 --> 01:38:32,350
anybody needs something

1207
01:38:33,650 --> 01:38:38,290
just an air I move and we approve the consent agenda is drafted all right second

1208
01:38:39,350 --> 01:38:45,910
I have the motion and the second by councilor Sullivan any discussion on the motion

1209
01:38:45,910 --> 01:38:48,470
All right, all those in favor say aye.

1210
01:38:48,630 --> 01:38:48,950
Aye.

1211
01:38:49,610 --> 01:38:50,830
All those pose nay.

1212
01:38:51,450 --> 01:38:54,370
Hearing none, the considered agenda has approved unanimous.

1213
01:38:55,010 --> 01:39:02,810
Yeah, we're on eight discussion consideration and possible action regarding an application to

1214
01:39:02,810 --> 01:39:07,970
the city council for a variance and the maximum display area of resulting from the conversion

1215
01:39:07,970 --> 01:39:17,630
of the base of an existing monument sign located at 6400 Lohman Ford Road, Lugvisa subdivision

1216
01:39:17,630 --> 01:39:25,990
Section 2, Law 6A, into an additional multi-tenant display area, and for relief of the required

1217
01:39:25,990 --> 01:39:29,290
minimum setback for that existing sign base.

1218
01:39:31,830 --> 01:39:33,970
Roy, if I may ask you,

1219
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:37,820
there's been some –

1220
01:39:41,370 --> 01:39:44,410
there's application and it had several

1221
01:39:44,410 --> 01:39:45,270
parts to it.

1222
01:39:46,090 --> 01:39:52,950
Can you clarify exactly which variance or what variances we're – well, the applicant originally

1223
01:39:52,950 --> 01:40:01,190
applied just for the new display area. Okay. In the process of evaluating that application,

1224
01:40:01,850 --> 01:40:09,150
we determined, and this happens commonly, finding out that the existing sign did not meet

1225
01:40:09,150 --> 01:40:15,370
the required setback. We went back and did the research in the ordinance. It was a requirement

1226
01:40:15,370 --> 01:40:19,450
at the time it was simply constructed in the wrong place.

1227
01:40:20,610 --> 01:40:26,790
So the applicant was asked to amend his application to include that setback relief in his request.

1228
01:40:27,610 --> 01:40:34,990
In the interim, you guys passed a new sign ordinance, which includes a provision that this

1229
01:40:34,990 --> 01:40:42,490
sort of additional display area can be part of a master sign approval process recommended

1230
01:40:42,490 --> 01:40:49,350
by your comprehensive plan, by the way, to allow multi-tenant places to have additional sign

1231
01:40:49,350 --> 01:40:57,990
area to encourage that sort of multi-tenant development. As a result, and perhaps there was

1232
01:40:57,990 --> 01:41:05,630
even maybe a little method behind their madness that it would be speculative on my part, the Building

1233
01:41:05,630 --> 01:41:11,030
and Standard Commission which is required to give a recommendation recommended that you

1234
01:41:11,030 --> 01:41:18,810
only approve the setback variance and knowing that the applicant could then apply under the

1235
01:41:18,810 --> 01:41:25,570
new sign ordinance for the additional display area. Perhaps that was to allow the staff

1236
01:41:25,920 --> 01:41:30,850
to deal with the unpermitted improvements that the applicant is now starting to address

1237
01:41:30,850 --> 01:41:34,790
and we're glad that he's starting to address them and we have the expectation that that

1238
01:41:34,790 --> 01:41:41,430
will be taken care of but he can now apply for that additional display area

1239
01:41:42,590 --> 01:41:47,310
administratively. Okay that is still part of his request. You know he did not

1240
01:41:47,310 --> 01:41:52,210
amend his application again so you know that's what's in front of you

1241
01:41:52,210 --> 01:41:56,510
potentially that just know that that's not what the building and standards

1242
01:41:56,510 --> 01:42:02,670
commission recommended they recommended the set back only. All right thank you.

1243
01:42:04,710 --> 01:42:09,450
So just to clarify, I think I'm understanding that we have some options.

1244
01:42:10,150 --> 01:42:16,330
We can either approve both the setback and the base, or we can approve just the setback,

1245
01:42:16,650 --> 01:42:27,530
and then ask them to apply through the master sign program to address that, or deny both if that was our preference.

1246
01:42:27,530 --> 01:42:30,650
And denying both would mean he's got to rebuild the sign.

1247
01:42:30,690 --> 01:42:31,310
Right, got to move it.

1248
01:42:31,830 --> 01:42:33,310
Okay, thank you for that.

1249
01:42:33,450 --> 01:42:34,670
And then I have a question.

1250
01:42:35,390 --> 01:42:38,250
I just want to make sure that from the pictures,

1251
01:42:38,990 --> 01:42:42,190
it looks like the size of the base is not changing.

1252
01:42:42,190 --> 01:42:44,910
He just wants to change the makeup of the base.

1253
01:42:44,970 --> 01:42:45,490
Is that correct?

1254
01:42:45,950 --> 01:42:48,790
Well, he wants to apply those new display here.

1255
01:42:48,870 --> 01:42:50,770
But he's not making it any larger.

1256
01:42:51,070 --> 01:42:51,870
No, okay.

1257
01:42:52,150 --> 01:42:55,670
No, and that's part of the basis of the master sign program.

1258
01:42:55,670 --> 01:43:00,570
the approval means you don't add to clutter. That's part of the criteria.

1259
01:43:01,130 --> 01:43:02,950
Anything that adds clutter, we don't want.

1260
01:43:03,550 --> 01:43:05,550
Okay. All right. That's the only question I have. Thank you.

1261
01:43:07,010 --> 01:43:08,470
Next. Yes.

1262
01:43:08,810 --> 01:43:16,770
So, this particular property, they have some current code violations going on.

1263
01:43:17,050 --> 01:43:21,190
Yes. And have for dating back to when this gentleman didn't own it.

1264
01:43:21,270 --> 01:43:22,070
Yeah, the previous owner.

1265
01:43:23,530 --> 01:43:27,570
And you and I had conversation about it, the most recent one happened easter weekend and

1266
01:43:27,570 --> 01:43:31,430
they had the trailer with the junk cars on it and the bulldozer and all that kind of stuff.

1267
01:43:35,610 --> 01:43:40,610
So I would just make the comment that I don't think we should grant any kind of variance

1268
01:43:40,610 --> 01:43:43,130
until they cleaned up all of their code violations.

1269
01:43:43,730 --> 01:43:50,050
And I would almost say that we tell them they got to go code violation free for six months

1270
01:43:50,050 --> 01:43:51,790
before they get the granted.

1271
01:43:51,790 --> 01:43:56,790
And this particular property has had a history over the last few years, previous owner

1272
01:43:56,790 --> 01:44:02,130
in this owner of continual violations, flaunting everything, not listening to city staff,

1273
01:44:02,310 --> 01:44:04,530
and it's pretty irritating to be honest with you.

1274
01:44:04,690 --> 01:44:05,870
So anyway, that's just my opinion.

1275
01:44:06,030 --> 01:44:06,770
It was kind of a game.

1276
01:44:06,970 --> 01:44:07,690
We would cite them.

1277
01:44:07,890 --> 01:44:09,110
They would correct it.

1278
01:44:09,490 --> 01:44:10,850
Then do it right over again.

1279
01:44:11,110 --> 01:44:11,370
And run back.

1280
01:44:12,190 --> 01:44:13,010
Pass at the risk.

1281
01:44:13,130 --> 01:44:13,230
Yeah.

1282
01:44:14,010 --> 01:44:19,990
The point you just made, Roy, about citing the repeat, the cycle repeats, that was with the

1283
01:44:19,990 --> 01:44:20,590
prior owner.

1284
01:44:20,590 --> 01:44:25,790
Yes. Well, it actually he didn't own the property with the tenant. Okay, but that is not

1285
01:44:25,790 --> 01:44:31,150
known with the current owner. Correct. Correct. The current owner is contending with outstanding code

1286
01:44:31,150 --> 01:44:37,210
violations that he inherited or has created inheritance. We have gone over with it. They're not really

1287
01:44:37,210 --> 01:44:42,470
that owners to correct. Has he really pretty simple? Has he expressed a willingness to correct them?

1288
01:44:42,710 --> 01:44:49,390
Yes. Okay. So I would I would say that I don't feel the same way Mr. Sullivan does. I feel like

1289
01:44:51,230 --> 01:44:56,770
having a caveat in an approval that this person who inherited these code

1290
01:44:56,770 --> 01:44:58,690
violations resolved them.

1291
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:22,680
It's sufficient for me. Well, and I like the building of Saran's recommendation, personally, and then the administrative can follow with Roy. And here's the nice part about your new sign ordinance. It gives us the prerogative to impose those reasonable conditions, which would include exactly what you just said. And we would.

1292
01:45:24,910 --> 01:45:30,870
Yes, clarifying question, Mayor. Did this current owner own the property on Easter Sunday when these most recent issues occurred?

1293
01:45:30,870 --> 01:45:37,910
Yes. Okay. So then then there have been issues. Right. And we have cautioned him that he needed to put up a

1294
01:45:37,910 --> 01:45:44,810
self-fence. It was the the self-fence was delivered to the property a couple of days ago. It was actually standing up.

1295
01:45:44,810 --> 01:45:50,990
I believe as of this morning, which based on this rainstorm is good. You know the real issue here is

1296
01:45:50,990 --> 01:45:57,670
is it's erosion control. This thing drains into a creek that drains into the lake. We need to contain

1297
01:45:57,670 --> 01:46:04,190
that aggregate and start planting something and where the bear souls are. It's not real owners.

1298
01:46:09,940 --> 01:46:14,920
I'm more inclined to the sentiments of my colleague next door here.

1299
01:46:16,520 --> 01:46:25,300
I just haven't seen a lot of good faith on the part of this property to honor our regulations.

1300
01:46:27,520 --> 01:46:34,300
was the owner of the property aware of the setback requirement when they built the sign?

1301
01:46:35,120 --> 01:46:39,780
Oh, this day's back to when it was originally the setback dates back to when it was constructed.

1302
01:46:40,420 --> 01:46:45,220
And I hate to tell you, I made the only person that checks this stuff.

1303
01:46:45,960 --> 01:46:50,900
But every sign variance we ever had, I've checked it, every one of them had been in the setback.

1304
01:46:52,600 --> 01:46:54,880
So we have had to deal with that repeatedly.

1305
01:46:54,880 --> 01:47:02,460
With respect to the setback, it just seems like a classic case of its easier to beg forgiveness than to ask permission.

1306
01:47:02,860 --> 01:47:08,680
Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I can tell where basically the property line is.

1307
01:47:09,620 --> 01:47:11,880
You can look where the utilities are.

1308
01:47:12,140 --> 01:47:14,980
You can look at certain telltale signs.

1309
01:47:15,560 --> 01:47:17,860
I don't know why it's so complicated.

1310
01:47:19,400 --> 01:47:22,820
I'm not going to be in favor of granting the variance.

1311
01:47:27,240 --> 01:47:28,060
So when

1312
01:47:30,420 --> 01:47:35,440
it was originally constructed, it was permitted.

1313
01:47:36,060 --> 01:47:36,760
It was permitted.

1314
01:47:37,160 --> 01:47:37,280
Right.

1315
01:47:38,280 --> 01:47:43,900
Whoever built it and whoever looked at it did not do a very good job, as all I can tell

1316
01:47:43,900 --> 01:47:44,040
you.

1317
01:47:44,760 --> 01:47:52,800
So it's more on who's in this building as opposed to a little bit about it.

1318
01:47:52,800 --> 01:47:59,200
They put this way. The site plans clearly show it way in the setbacks.

1319
01:48:01,720 --> 01:48:02,720
There's probably

1320
01:48:02,720 --> 01:48:06,980
more than one party that has no good reason to have missed this, but they did.

1321
01:48:10,040 --> 01:48:10,800
For me,

1322
01:48:13,560 --> 01:48:19,760
the location of it in the setback, you guys have heard me give this speech before.

1323
01:48:19,940 --> 01:48:25,460
What we really care about about that setback is traffic safety. It's really that freaking

1324
01:48:25,460 --> 01:48:31,480
driveway that's too near that sign that really gives us a heartburn if it and that was done

1325
01:48:31,480 --> 01:48:37,740
without a permit if he removes that there's no more sight distance problem. Is that the

1326
01:48:37,740 --> 01:48:44,480
cross-granted you mentioned? Yes. So as far as the location variance I don't I don't I don't

1327
01:48:44,480 --> 01:48:53,260
have a problem with us considering you know approving that the location variance but I'm kind of

1328
01:48:53,260 --> 01:49:02,880
in favor of the new process like the recommendation from committee going to an administrative approval

1329
01:49:02,880 --> 01:49:10,000
on the other part and then y'all holding them accountable to doing everything before he gets

1330
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:10,560
that other.

1331
01:49:11,680 --> 01:49:15,480
I suspect that's what they had in mind, but they didn't say so and I didn't ask.

1332
01:49:27,820 --> 01:49:36,380
We've even talked about the guys to get temporary erosion control in place, and we'll be happy and let you go, but you've got to do that.

1333
01:49:38,530 --> 01:49:44,390
I'm happy with staff holding them accountable before that portion is granted.

1334
01:49:52,640 --> 01:50:01,320
When code violations came before, I always said that what we're really striving for

1335
01:50:01,700 --> 01:50:09,880
is compliance, not necessarily punishing somebody, but to get everybody into compliance.

1336
01:50:09,880 --> 01:50:21,300
In that respect, since the unauthorized driveways going to have to be removed, my thought

1337
01:50:21,300 --> 01:50:39,100
is that the variance for the setback is okay, but they need to bring everything else

1338
01:50:39,100 --> 01:50:47,160
and compliance, and I would give them a time limit, you know, 60 days, or, you know,

1339
01:50:47,320 --> 01:50:53,080
you'll file a complaint every day, and I think that's one of the underused portions

1340
01:50:53,960 --> 01:51:00,660
of the city ordinances is you can file a complaint against them every day, and I think it's up

1341
01:51:00,660 --> 01:51:06,140
to, I don't know whether these are 500 bucks a day or 2 grand a day, but it can be pretty

1342
01:51:06,140 --> 01:51:10,420
stuff and get them brought in a compliance within 60 days.

1343
01:51:10,700 --> 01:51:12,300
And the compliance is not real expensive.

1344
01:51:12,960 --> 01:51:14,160
I just didn't think they knew how.

1345
01:51:14,600 --> 01:51:17,360
And it's not hard and it wouldn't take a long time.

1346
01:51:18,000 --> 01:51:26,600
So I think that's probably the way I would look at going but give them a timeline and let

1347
01:51:26,600 --> 01:51:30,760
them know that if they don't do it, you're going to slap them every day so that I'll be

1348
01:51:30,760 --> 01:51:30,840
pleased.

1349
01:51:30,840 --> 01:51:35,080
I've read some fairly long emails and quoted the ordinance showed them exactly what to

1350
01:51:35,080 --> 01:51:35,240
do.

1351
01:51:35,240 --> 01:51:41,020
So, I mean, you know, when you can get those fines, rack it up daily, it'll get there

1352
01:51:41,020 --> 01:51:41,240
intense.

1353
01:51:41,520 --> 01:51:44,920
Mr. Prinship, remember, he was part of that erosion control, or this one when we wrote

1354
01:51:44,920 --> 01:51:45,140
it.

1355
01:51:45,420 --> 01:51:45,420
So,

1356
01:51:47,540 --> 01:51:48,640
Kevin, thank you.

1357
01:51:49,120 --> 01:51:54,180
So, first thing I want to do is say that my previous comments were probably part of frustration

1358
01:51:54,180 --> 01:51:55,100
with the previous comments.

1359
01:51:55,700 --> 01:52:00,260
And so, I'm going to fall on and admit that, and my second comment is, I like what Rob

1360
01:52:00,260 --> 01:52:05,420
just said, you know, given the 60 days to come in, I'm in favor of approving the setback

1361
01:52:05,420 --> 01:52:11,480
variants and that their other variants is conditional upon coming in compliance with current

1362
01:52:11,480 --> 01:52:15,940
with the code and that they have 60 days and if they don't do it within 60 days, boom,

1363
01:52:16,040 --> 01:52:17,940
we start hitting them on a daily basis with the compliance.

1364
01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:24,640
We use that leverage all the time, you know, it may not be the what we should be doing, but

1365
01:52:25,640 --> 01:52:27,000
the goal is compliance.

1366
01:52:27,200 --> 01:52:32,620
I agree wholeheartedly with Mr. Durban's statements, it's not, we're not trying to punish anybody

1367
01:52:36,020 --> 01:52:41,660
Yes. So quick follow up then. I'm assuming part of that 60 days to come and compliance

1368
01:52:41,660 --> 01:52:48,280
would include the removal of that driveway. When a motion is made, do those need to be

1369
01:52:48,280 --> 01:52:54,360
specifically named what those things that need to come and compliance are? Or do we just

1370
01:52:54,360 --> 01:53:00,860
need to make a blanket statement of, you know, all currently pending or current violations

1371
01:53:00,860 --> 01:53:07,300
need to be addressed. It was what building and standards suggested which is to simply approve

1372
01:53:07,300 --> 01:53:14,080
the setback and make the staff do the master sign program and leave it to us to impose

1373
01:53:14,080 --> 01:53:19,440
this condition. No, we don't have to. That covers it because we're going to do that.

1374
01:53:19,660 --> 01:53:26,700
Okay. Thank you. We should have some direction. But you can go. Absolutely. That's totally

1375
01:53:26,700 --> 01:53:30,760
appropriate and we did hear you. And I suspect the applicant has heard you as

1376
01:53:30,760 --> 01:53:36,680
well. Look at his applicant. I don't see him. No, but he wrote several emails

1377
01:53:36,680 --> 01:53:40,620
before the day and we'll certainly report to it. Okay, because I didn't see him

1378
01:53:40,620 --> 01:53:45,560
online here. He's been in conversation with both me and the code enforcement

1379
01:53:45,560 --> 01:53:47,380
official for last several days.

1380
01:53:49,890 --> 01:53:52,030
I would just make the request that when the

1381
01:53:52,030 --> 01:53:55,730
motions made that it have those conditions, we talked about the 60 days and you

1382
01:53:55,730 --> 01:53:58,870
that. Right. Yeah. You just as

1383
01:53:58,870 --> 01:54:00,010
direction as staff or however

1384
01:54:00,010 --> 01:54:01,010
that needs to be. Yeah.

1385
01:54:03,660 --> 01:54:03,900
Right.

1386
01:54:04,420 --> 01:54:08,180
Right. What the driveway has to

1387
01:54:08,180 --> 01:54:10,060
come out? What else would you be?

1388
01:54:10,340 --> 01:54:11,180
What else would you be? I think he's

1389
01:54:11,180 --> 01:54:12,340
actually already done that and

1390
01:54:12,340 --> 01:54:14,420
planted some seed and what we do in

1391
01:54:14,420 --> 01:54:16,560
the interim. There's some edging that

1392
01:54:16,560 --> 01:54:18,460
I just want to make sure 60 days is

1393
01:54:18,460 --> 01:54:20,400
is not. Oh, this is unreal is

1394
01:54:20,400 --> 01:54:21,860
expected because. Oh, really? This is

1395
01:54:21,860 --> 01:54:23,840
contractors and getting people out

1396
01:54:23,840 --> 01:54:25,340
there can be. This is a couple of

1397
01:54:25,340 --> 01:54:27,200
days worth of work. Okay. They need to

1398
01:54:27,200 --> 01:54:29,980
edge, the perimeter of where the silt fence?

1399
01:54:30,420 --> 01:54:31,660
Well, the silt fence is up.

1400
01:54:31,780 --> 01:54:33,260
That's temporary erosion control.

1401
01:54:33,460 --> 01:54:35,740
I don't know if it was up or just on site.

1402
01:54:36,000 --> 01:54:38,720
They have to edge the area that includes the aggregate

1403
01:54:38,720 --> 01:54:40,660
because it's too light and too small

1404
01:54:40,660 --> 01:54:44,040
and would otherwise run off into the creek

1405
01:54:45,700 --> 01:54:48,320
until the bare soles are taken care of.

1406
01:54:48,400 --> 01:54:51,020
They need to maintain temporary erosion controls.

1407
01:54:51,820 --> 01:54:53,840
That can be a silt fence that they maintain

1408
01:54:54,300 --> 01:54:56,920
or you can get sea to mulch and put it up there

1409
01:54:56,920 --> 01:55:00,300
and then remove it once the whatever vegetation

1410
01:55:00,300 --> 01:55:01,860
they decide the plant takes.

1411
01:55:02,460 --> 01:55:04,460
I'm a big fan of wildflowers,

1412
01:55:04,600 --> 01:55:06,060
but we have a long way to start.

1413
01:55:06,060 --> 01:55:08,180
I mean, the first thing you have to try is holy,

1414
01:55:08,440 --> 01:55:09,860
six days is sufficient.

1415
01:55:09,960 --> 01:55:11,240
Boy, enough time.

1416
01:55:11,420 --> 01:55:11,560
OK.

1417
01:55:12,400 --> 01:55:14,120
So yeah, I'm cool with that.

1418
01:55:14,400 --> 01:55:17,620
On the setback, approving the setback only,

1419
01:55:18,120 --> 01:55:21,340
and then leaving staff to administer accordingly

1420
01:55:21,920 --> 01:55:24,040
with a stipulation of 60 days.

1421
01:55:26,390 --> 01:55:26,690
All right.

1422
01:55:26,690 --> 01:55:27,410
Okay, well,

1423
01:55:29,520 --> 01:55:31,000
for that point, I'll entertain a motion.

1424
01:55:31,640 --> 01:55:32,280
What you're doing, Kevin.

1425
01:55:32,600 --> 01:55:36,220
Oh, I was sitting back there and you said it on the gas.

1426
01:55:36,820 --> 01:55:38,200
Okay, hang on.

1427
01:55:50,700 --> 01:55:51,580
Yeah, I'm used to it.

1428
01:55:51,620 --> 01:55:52,960
You taking care of it.

1429
01:55:53,560 --> 01:55:54,000
Sorry.

1430
01:55:56,380 --> 01:56:02,080
I will make a motion that we approve this setback variance

1431
01:56:02,080 --> 01:56:03,140
that's been requested.

1432
01:56:04,020 --> 01:56:06,400
And that the other variance that was requested

1433
01:56:06,400 --> 01:56:12,220
It will be dealt with by staff through the master sign ordinance, and that we also provide

1434
01:56:12,220 --> 01:56:18,420
direction to staff that they need to indicate to the applicant that they have 60 days to resolve

1435
01:56:18,420 --> 01:56:24,120
all code violations on their property, and that if they're not taken care of in that time

1436
01:56:24,120 --> 01:56:28,720
period, that they'll begin to get notices on a daily basis for fines associated with those

1437
01:56:28,720 --> 01:56:29,740
code violations.

1438
01:56:30,160 --> 01:56:30,480
All

1439
01:56:32,980 --> 01:56:33,100
right.

1440
01:56:33,200 --> 01:56:34,380
I had the motion in a second.

1441
01:56:34,380 --> 01:56:41,900
Councilor Prince, Fairport-Tem Prince, I should say, in any discussion on the motion.

1442
01:56:43,280 --> 01:56:44,660
All those in favor say aye.

1443
01:56:45,240 --> 01:56:45,420
Aye.

1444
01:56:45,980 --> 01:56:50,400
All those opposed nay, nay, motion carried, six to one.

1445
01:56:54,080 --> 01:56:56,440
We are now on number nine.

1446
01:56:57,320 --> 01:57:03,580
The discussion, consideration, and I'll authorizing the City Manager to begin preparing documents

1447
01:57:03,580 --> 01:57:08,420
needed for the issuance of certificate of obligation

1448
01:57:08,420 --> 01:57:13,720
was related to a fluid disposal and waste water treatment.

1449
01:57:18,980 --> 01:57:19,400
Taylor.

1450
01:57:21,920 --> 01:57:24,980
Before he starts, they're about to make me the presenter

1451
01:57:24,980 --> 01:57:26,060
so he has the screen.

1452
01:57:26,260 --> 01:57:29,480
But if you will recall during strategic planning,

1453
01:57:29,480 --> 01:57:33,000
we talked about what items would be going on the COs.

1454
01:57:33,500 --> 01:57:36,560
There was also a presentation that was made to the council

1455
01:57:36,560 --> 01:57:42,740
after that and then we have been able to do some further analysis of what our

1456
01:57:42,740 --> 01:57:47,240
systems can and cannot do, so that we can come back to you with some additional

1457
01:57:47,240 --> 01:57:53,820
information. Councillor Sullivan asked us to check on a different option and Taylor

1458
01:57:53,820 --> 01:57:57,900
will give you some information in regards to that about just the filter at the

1459
01:57:57,900 --> 01:58:03,000
treatment plant, but most of this, well all of this, we have either verified the

1460
01:58:03,000 --> 01:58:09,720
costs, or we have verified with an engineer what things need to happen, so that we can meet the needs of our public in the future.

1461
01:58:11,380 --> 01:58:16,520
And with that, I'll take over to see in the staff report.

1462
01:58:17,400 --> 01:58:20,580
I've gone pawn 17 is leaking, and that needs immediate attention.

1463
01:58:21,600 --> 01:58:29,100
And I've tasked prison nickels with providing a cost for a place as is instead of building a Cadillac, if you will.

1464
01:58:29,100 --> 01:58:33,240
and that cost came back at roughly 1.1 million to just

1465
01:58:33,240 --> 01:58:37,880
re-line that. And also, as part of our F-load disposal

1466
01:58:37,880 --> 01:58:42,420
permit, we are entering into phase three of the permit,

1467
01:58:42,760 --> 01:58:45,740
which is going to require the construction of a third pond.

1468
01:58:46,940 --> 01:58:50,300
And that pond would be pond two, which would be a part of this

1469
01:58:50,300 --> 01:58:53,320
because we'd have to build pond two first before we can take

1470
01:58:53,320 --> 01:58:56,200
pond 17 off line to re-line it.

1471
01:58:57,420 --> 01:59:05,880
And that cost is roughly $1.2 million, and these are a drab opinion probable cost from the engineers.

1472
01:59:08,440 --> 01:59:14,480
And the total cost for the Eiffelone holding ponds roughly between $2.6 and $2.9 million,

1473
01:59:14,700 --> 01:59:18,660
which includes engineering and construction management fees.

1474
01:59:19,640 --> 01:59:24,380
So on this one, I'd request $3 million for a CO bond issuance for the Eiffelone ponds.

1475
01:59:27,400 --> 01:59:30,220
Oh yes, I have questions, but I don't think you're done yet.

1476
01:59:30,400 --> 01:59:30,520
Yeah.

1477
01:59:30,980 --> 01:59:31,500
I know.

1478
01:59:32,260 --> 01:59:33,080
No, go ahead.

1479
01:59:33,240 --> 01:59:34,160
Well, just a clarifying.

1480
01:59:34,500 --> 01:59:43,360
So I'm looking at the slide here in the packet with the numbers, but this 1.2 million

1481
01:59:43,360 --> 01:59:48,560
for relining pond 17, 1.1 million to build pond 2, total estimated cost for effluent.

1482
01:59:49,060 --> 01:59:56,880
Does that total include the 1.2 and the 1.1, or it's in addition to the 1.2 and the 1.2

1483
01:59:56,880 --> 01:59:59,140
one. That is total. So okay.

1484
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,980
The total is at 2.3, just for the ponds themselves, and then you throw in the engineering instruction administration, 2.6 to 2.6. Correct. Thank you. So if we are taking questions, question on this slide. I think I heard you say that we can't do bullet number one without doing bullet number two, have to build ponds two before we can repair ponds 17. That's a must. Okay. Now I see under the second main bullet,

1485
02:00:29,980 --> 02:00:36,280
it there. The third bullet, sub bullet under there, it says cost does not include reinstalling

1486
02:00:36,280 --> 02:00:43,380
a transmission line that was previously abandoned. So is the cost of reinstalling that transmission

1487
02:00:43,380 --> 02:00:48,320
line also in the 2.6 to 2.9 million? Or shouldn't it be if it isn't?

1488
02:00:48,660 --> 02:00:54,160
We don't know yet where that line was abandoned. We're trying to find out where that is, why

1489
02:00:54,160 --> 02:00:57,300
Why it was abandoned, I have no idea.

1490
02:00:58,660 --> 02:01:01,840
Still, we need to know that before we put out a CO bond.

1491
02:01:02,460 --> 02:01:02,740
Right.

1492
02:01:03,100 --> 02:01:06,840
Well, I've tasked with finding out a location of that.

1493
02:01:07,920 --> 02:01:14,040
Typically, when you abandoned a line, you just cut it and cap it, and it where it teed off, and call it a day.

1494
02:01:14,800 --> 02:01:16,640
So, I've tasked half with trying to locate that.

1495
02:01:17,240 --> 02:01:19,420
Okay, because that could change the cost.

1496
02:01:19,680 --> 02:01:19,720
Right?

1497
02:01:19,820 --> 02:01:22,180
Couldn't that drive the cost up, depending where that line was abandoned?

1498
02:01:22,180 --> 02:01:22,620
Great.

1499
02:01:22,940 --> 02:01:23,760
It could drive the cost of.

1500
02:01:24,460 --> 02:01:28,320
So, do you think we'll have that information, because I guess maybe this is a question

1501
02:01:28,320 --> 02:01:30,480
for Tracy before I continue with some of these questions.

1502
02:01:32,600 --> 02:01:40,060
Is this giving permission to start drafting the documents needed for the CO bonds, but knowing

1503
02:01:40,060 --> 02:01:46,420
that we're still pending final numbers, or are we talking tonight final numbers for you

1504
02:01:46,420 --> 02:01:49,760
to draft these documents, because if we're talking final numbers tonight, I don't think

1505
02:01:49,760 --> 02:01:50,060
we're there.

1506
02:01:51,300 --> 02:02:03,660
Not necessarily final numbers, but I will say that this transmission line, even if it's not included in this cost, there is a very healthy fund balance in the utility.

1507
02:02:03,980 --> 02:02:08,740
So not this one cost would not necessarily have to be on your seat.

1508
02:02:09,020 --> 02:02:16,100
This one costs for that transmission line would probably fall within our regular utilities budget, and it would be funded out of that.

1509
02:02:16,100 --> 02:02:22,460
that. Can I just to follow on to that? Is it fair, Tracy, to say the numbers we're looking

1510
02:02:22,460 --> 02:02:28,200
at tonight are good faith estimates of what we will end up with on the bonds, but may

1511
02:02:28,200 --> 02:02:34,880
change? Yes. Okay. We're asking, and most of these have been confirmed, that small item

1512
02:02:34,880 --> 02:02:41,340
where the transition transmission line, but like I said, some of these costs can be covered

1513
02:02:41,340 --> 02:02:43,820
because you have an extremely healthy balance.

1514
02:02:44,840 --> 02:02:48,080
But some of the other numbers, and I know you haven't gotten there yet,

1515
02:02:48,160 --> 02:02:49,460
so I don't want to jump ahead too far,

1516
02:02:50,760 --> 02:02:53,800
because I have these same kinds of concerns when we get to the numbers

1517
02:02:54,900 --> 02:02:57,780
for type one, type two, and expanding,

1518
02:02:58,660 --> 02:03:02,200
where it almost seems like there's the same numbers we looked at in February.

1519
02:03:02,580 --> 02:03:04,120
They almost seem like they're shots in the dark,

1520
02:03:04,760 --> 02:03:07,700
because they all say draft numbers.

1521
02:03:07,700 --> 02:03:13,420
numbers, none of them have been verified by freeze and nickels and we're still pending

1522
02:03:13,420 --> 02:03:13,960
those numbers.

1523
02:03:14,140 --> 02:03:19,560
So it almost seems like they're total guesses, you know, 20 to 24 million, so we're

1524
02:03:19,560 --> 02:03:21,160
just going to split it in the middle and ask for 22.

1525
02:03:21,980 --> 02:03:27,820
And I have some concern about that because what we said back in February was that we want

1526
02:03:27,820 --> 02:03:33,740
to be really careful that the numbers we put out on a CO bond are as accurate as they can

1527
02:03:33,740 --> 02:03:34,120
be.

1528
02:03:34,120 --> 02:03:37,500
I mean, right, we can't guarantee they're going to be perfect, right?

1529
02:03:38,160 --> 02:03:44,120
Because we don't want to put out a CEO bond that's too high, or too low, either of which

1530
02:03:44,120 --> 02:03:45,220
are good for the community, right?

1531
02:03:45,300 --> 02:03:47,560
If we put it out for too low, we have to ask for another CEO bond.

1532
02:03:47,640 --> 02:03:50,620
If we put it out and it's too high, now we've got extra money in it, it just doesn't look

1533
02:03:50,620 --> 02:03:56,820
like we've planned well to our citizens, and that's kind of my concern on some of these numbers.

1534
02:03:56,820 --> 02:04:02,120
Is it almost seems like they're not solid estimates of what the cost may be?

1535
02:04:02,460 --> 02:04:03,620
Can you shed some light on that?

1536
02:04:03,620 --> 02:04:09,440
Yes. The calls that are provided were looked at by freezing nickels, and they are comfortable

1537
02:04:09,440 --> 02:04:13,680
with these numbers based on what they've been seeing in the market currently.

1538
02:04:15,340 --> 02:04:21,400
To really fine tune these numbers, I'd have to hire a geotech firm to come in, bore

1539
02:04:21,400 --> 02:04:30,460
some wells, figure out what the subsurface looks like, and plan around that. So in lieu of doing

1540
02:04:30,460 --> 02:04:35,740
that, they provided a fairly sound window of cost that you're going to be looking at

1541
02:04:35,740 --> 02:04:36,640
for these improvements.

1542
02:04:36,920 --> 02:04:42,600
Okay, so I think I'm hearing you say then that these are about as close to good estimates

1543
02:04:42,600 --> 02:04:47,860
as we can be without hiring a firm to come in boreholes.

1544
02:04:48,340 --> 02:04:54,420
Right, and the final cost estimate was really unknown until the engineer goes and designs

1545
02:04:54,420 --> 02:04:55,100
of a facility.

1546
02:04:55,520 --> 02:04:55,660
Okay.

1547
02:04:55,660 --> 02:05:01,760
That's when you have a pretty good indicator down to, you know, the nearest $100, $200,000

1548
02:05:01,760 --> 02:05:03,720
is to what it's going to actually cost.

1549
02:05:03,880 --> 02:05:04,060
Okay.

1550
02:05:04,220 --> 02:05:07,980
So you're comfortable that these are as good as we're going to get right now.

1551
02:05:08,160 --> 02:05:08,580
Yes, ma'am.

1552
02:05:08,720 --> 02:05:08,920
Okay.

1553
02:05:09,260 --> 02:05:09,540
All right.

1554
02:05:09,600 --> 02:05:09,920
That's helpful.

1555
02:05:10,380 --> 02:05:10,660
Thank you.

1556
02:05:10,880 --> 02:05:16,240
We have vetted these several times, not just between staff, but also with phrasing nickels

1557
02:05:16,240 --> 02:05:18,500
because we had some questions on our own.

1558
02:05:19,240 --> 02:05:23,580
But again, this is about as good as it gets without having those engineering designs,

1559
02:05:23,580 --> 02:05:28,100
which is going to be a part of the cost anyway in most of the time that's part of the contingency

1560
02:05:28,100 --> 02:05:32,940
to make sure that we can allow for some of those things. We did the unknowns that are going to

1561
02:05:32,940 --> 02:05:43,860
happen when we start this process. Okay. Okay part of my question got answered but I wanted to come

1562
02:05:43,860 --> 02:05:51,620
back to this because and I assume it's not in here because we already approved it was the irrigation

1563
02:05:51,620 --> 02:05:57,420
of the water of the golf course, all of the pipes and sprinklers and all of that sort of stuff.

1564
02:05:57,680 --> 02:05:59,940
But that's all part of the same CO bond, isn't it?

1565
02:06:00,080 --> 02:06:00,700
That is correct.

1566
02:06:00,960 --> 02:06:05,880
And yes, this is the only, there were several questions in regards to just the affluent and the ponds,

1567
02:06:05,880 --> 02:06:07,580
and that's why we're bringing that back.

1568
02:06:07,980 --> 02:06:11,980
And then you will see the irrigation included when we bring back the language for the CO.

1569
02:06:12,240 --> 02:06:12,960
Okay, that's it.

1570
02:06:13,580 --> 02:06:18,460
That's what I wanted to make real clear is that these numbers are in addition to that.

1571
02:06:18,540 --> 02:06:19,020
That is correct.

1572
02:06:19,020 --> 02:06:26,000
Not, not just the objective with building pontu and then getting the irrigation set up.

1573
02:06:26,300 --> 02:06:31,320
So Sean can irrigate the golf course indefinitely from my system.

1574
02:06:31,780 --> 02:06:35,560
Yeah, he's not having to rely on my staff to send water out to him.

1575
02:06:35,680 --> 02:06:36,440
He can control himself.

1576
02:06:36,660 --> 02:06:37,840
No, I get it.

1577
02:06:37,980 --> 02:06:43,480
I think the building of pontu is a great idea and we need to do it.

1578
02:06:46,140 --> 02:06:48,640
Okay, that's the only question I have for that.

1579
02:06:49,140 --> 02:06:53,520
Yeah, and I was just going to ask a question about this area 2.2.

1580
02:06:53,960 --> 02:07:01,440
So this transmission line, I mean, it's had water in it in the last 10 to 15 years.

1581
02:07:01,640 --> 02:07:04,420
So it wasn't that long ago that it was in use.

1582
02:07:04,920 --> 02:07:09,440
Are we saying that we just, we don't have any clue about that transmission line right now?

1583
02:07:11,600 --> 02:07:15,640
We know there's some in the ground. We don't know how far it is. We don't know where it was cut and

1584
02:07:15,640 --> 02:07:20,900
capped. Or if it was cut and capped, you could be at a clock as well. Because we did open up a

1585
02:07:20,900 --> 02:07:29,660
shawnt open the valve to it and nothing came out. Okay. Okay. But bottom line is on two doesn't exist

1586
02:07:29,660 --> 02:07:34,420
without the transmission line. We have to have that. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Thank you.

1587
02:07:43,000 --> 02:07:43,740
Moving on

1588
02:07:43,740 --> 02:07:46,600
to start the design process for a plant upgrade.

1589
02:07:47,180 --> 02:07:53,900
With that plant upgrade looks like whether it's 1.5 or 2MGD, that's still up in the air

1590
02:07:53,900 --> 02:07:54,400
right now.

1591
02:07:54,800 --> 02:08:01,000
I've had, we've installed a new meter and we're in the process of acquiring the data vetting

1592
02:08:01,000 --> 02:08:06,540
it and calibrating the meter to make sure that information I'm getting is trustworthy.

1593
02:08:06,540 --> 02:08:14,140
early. And we should have the calibration finalized this time next week. So I'll have better

1594
02:08:14,140 --> 02:08:22,860
numbers at that point. What will those numbers indicate exactly? Those numbers will indicate

1595
02:08:22,860 --> 02:08:29,060
how much flow we are receiving at the plant. And the reason I have instructed staff to install

1596
02:08:29,060 --> 02:08:35,140
it there is the current effluent meter that we have at the plant was incorrectly placed.

1597
02:08:35,140 --> 02:08:39,500
And it's not measuring the flow that's leaving the plant accurately.

1598
02:08:39,920 --> 02:08:44,340
So with that, you'll be able to better determine what our wastewater capacity is right now?

1599
02:08:44,780 --> 02:08:44,960
Correct.

1600
02:08:45,540 --> 02:08:49,580
And you said you'll have those numbers probably next week, is that, is it then, therefore,

1601
02:08:49,820 --> 02:08:55,920
say for us to assume that you can bring back some more reliable numbers regarding our wastewater

1602
02:08:55,920 --> 02:08:59,120
capacity, perhaps by May?

1603
02:09:00,280 --> 02:09:09,420
Yes, probably this time in May I would have a good month's worth of data that we can trend and just get a good monthly average flow.

1604
02:09:09,740 --> 02:09:19,580
That's what we base it on and the calibration will be done this time next week and I can then trust the data I'm receiving.

1605
02:09:19,580 --> 02:09:25,980
I think everybody on this council is extremely concerned about water waste water capacity.

1606
02:09:26,240 --> 02:09:30,760
So getting that data from you as soon as possible would be appreciated and having that

1607
02:09:30,760 --> 02:09:36,720
month to verify that with it in the new location and the new flow meters, it's accurate.

1608
02:09:37,140 --> 02:09:44,040
The last update we got from you was from in October, which incorporated anticipated LUE allocations

1609
02:09:44,040 --> 02:09:45,200
over a period of time.

1610
02:09:45,640 --> 02:09:46,880
So looking forward to that.

1611
02:09:47,040 --> 02:09:47,300
Thank you.

1612
02:09:47,300 --> 02:09:49,800
Yep, y'all I have as soon as I get it.

1613
02:09:50,300 --> 02:09:50,960
That's amazing.

1614
02:09:51,700 --> 02:09:52,180
Thank you, Mayor.

1615
02:09:53,740 --> 02:09:58,680
So I think I'm also hearing you say that once you have that good kind of trend data,

1616
02:10:00,160 --> 02:10:05,820
we can better determine whether or not the upgrade needs to be 1.5 or 2 MGD, correct?

1617
02:10:06,300 --> 02:10:14,260
At a minimum right now, you need a 1.5 or an upgrade to 1.5 MGD, and we just don't know if

1618
02:10:14,260 --> 02:10:17,820
We need to bump it up to two years yet, but at a minimum, you need 1.5.

1619
02:10:18,040 --> 02:10:24,320
What I don't see then on page 41 of the packet is a bullet that has, you have one bullet

1620
02:10:24,320 --> 02:10:29,300
that says remain at type 2 treatment and upgrade capacity to 1.5 MGD, but I don't see that

1621
02:10:29,300 --> 02:10:34,420
same bullet with a cost estimate for remain at type 2 treatment and upgrade capacity to 2

1622
02:10:34,420 --> 02:10:34,960
MGD.

1623
02:10:35,600 --> 02:10:41,640
But 1.5 is 8 to 10 million, do you have any kind of idea if that's the option, let's just

1624
02:10:41,640 --> 02:10:42,620
say we ended up going with.

1625
02:10:42,620 --> 02:10:48,380
And it was two MGD instead of 1.5. How much that would potentially add to the cost there?

1626
02:10:48,680 --> 02:10:53,680
You're looking at just for the plan of rate itself between $17 and $20 a gallon.

1627
02:10:54,160 --> 02:11:01,660
Which that equate to $17 and $20 million plus about 1.5 for engineering and construction

1628
02:11:01,660 --> 02:11:02,660
administration fees.

1629
02:11:02,860 --> 02:11:07,980
So instead of 8 to 10 million, you're saying 17 to 20 for that additional 0.5 MGD.

1630
02:11:09,820 --> 02:11:10,640
That's huge.

1631
02:11:13,140 --> 02:11:18,980
Yeah. Good question. I mean, those numbers are just got less. That's a lot of money. Yeah.

1632
02:11:20,280 --> 02:11:25,620
For perspective, help me understand. Is this, you know, like construction costs, everything's

1633
02:11:25,620 --> 02:11:32,000
high still. We're still while things are rolling over, we really haven't seen that flow cut.

1634
02:11:33,090 --> 02:11:40,120
We haven't seen that materialize in all amongst all trades and businesses. Are these exceptionally

1635
02:11:40,120 --> 02:11:46,660
High numbers consisted with the times or put another way what would this have cost ten years ago?

1636
02:11:47,640 --> 02:11:56,160
Five years ago. Well, in my previous city, we did a plan upgrade going from 0.6 to 0.99

1637
02:11:56,820 --> 02:12:04,060
and that cost was roughly 5.8, 6.2 million. Without doing the napkin math, do you recall,

1638
02:12:04,260 --> 02:12:08,960
you cited a per gallon number a moment ago. Do you know what that was?

1639
02:12:10,540 --> 02:12:13,840
and Taylor, when your city did that, when was that?

1640
02:12:14,700 --> 02:12:19,220
That was 2020-2021.

1641
02:12:19,480 --> 02:12:20,380
Okay, so not that long, who?

1642
02:12:20,560 --> 02:12:20,860
Yeah, okay.

1643
02:12:21,080 --> 02:12:25,080
So on a per gallon basis, we'll do $6 million.

1644
02:12:31,790 --> 02:12:33,410
That was roughly a $30 per gallon.

1645
02:12:33,830 --> 02:12:34,890
And what is this?

1646
02:12:35,150 --> 02:12:39,390
What is the $17 to $20 gallon?

1647
02:12:39,670 --> 02:12:40,310
So it went down?

1648
02:12:41,030 --> 02:12:41,510
Volume.

1649
02:12:42,050 --> 02:12:42,510
Right, right.

1650
02:12:42,570 --> 02:12:46,670
But also that particular plant needed a really hefty upgrade.

1651
02:12:46,670 --> 02:12:48,290
it was a very ancient system.

1652
02:12:50,410 --> 02:12:52,150
Maybe wishful thinking perhaps,

1653
02:12:52,290 --> 02:12:53,750
and I don't think it's gonna be consequential

1654
02:12:53,750 --> 02:12:54,990
to this conversation this evening,

1655
02:12:55,510 --> 02:12:58,470
but when I look at my macroeconomic indicators

1656
02:12:58,470 --> 02:13:00,730
and I see talk of an impending recession,

1657
02:13:02,070 --> 02:13:03,590
constantly in the Wall Street Journal

1658
02:13:03,590 --> 02:13:05,670
and in other publications and my charts

1659
02:13:05,670 --> 02:13:07,010
that I see on a daily basis,

1660
02:13:08,030 --> 02:13:11,790
that's expected in here by the end of the year in Q4.

1661
02:13:14,030 --> 02:13:16,770
The wishful thinking is that this could be cheaper

1662
02:13:16,770 --> 02:13:24,450
at a later time, re-bidding in, when it comes time to actually do this, that's why I was

1663
02:13:24,450 --> 02:13:28,370
asking about having a reference to the pens.

1664
02:13:29,050 --> 02:13:36,090
And maybe the best option is to fund the engineering design for these upgrades and get a more

1665
02:13:36,090 --> 02:13:40,710
fine-tune cause for any CO issuance later on.

1666
02:13:41,250 --> 02:13:42,650
That's an option.

1667
02:13:42,650 --> 02:14:08,190
I think the one one thing I would submit is that the one bit of optimism in this might be is that, you know, by the time we would get a bond to market is the, you know, with the Fed, the market is currently anticipating a 25 point basis cut in Q4 in anticipation of that recession to stimulate things is maybe our borrowing costs will be less by the time this comes to market.

1668
02:14:09,150 --> 02:14:09,930
Thank you.

1669
02:14:13,690 --> 02:14:18,310
The first bullet point first major bullet point here talks about that it's not recommended

1670
02:14:18,310 --> 02:14:21,910
to install filters at 17 for type 1 treatment.

1671
02:14:23,110 --> 02:14:30,270
Isn't that what we were going to do for to start watering the sunset mark with type 1?

1672
02:14:30,730 --> 02:14:36,250
Yes, and then during the strategic planning, they all asked me to go back and look at possibly

1673
02:14:36,250 --> 02:14:42,610
doing that upon 17, that way you're just spending the money once, but in order to do so it would

1674
02:14:42,610 --> 02:14:48,170
create such a nightmares burden on staff as you more or less be filtering algae at this point.

1675
02:14:48,890 --> 02:14:54,190
And you're spending more time and money cleaning the filters and it's not guaranteed

1676
02:14:54,190 --> 02:14:59,150
to get to the level of treatment that TCQ requires. But we're still talking about doing the filter

1677
02:15:00,300 --> 02:15:27,860
To water the park. Is that right? Where's that going out of the way? That's kind of gone out the way right now. It's not recommended upon 17. And I'd love to see type 1 treatment at the plant because as we increase capacity, we're going to run into issues with where we can dispose of. And with type 1, we have a lot more flexibility on where we can dispose of our, our treated effluent.

1678
02:15:30,040 --> 02:15:31,880
That's W5 to 40 million, right?

1679
02:15:31,880 --> 02:15:32,520
Thank you.

1680
02:15:34,760 --> 02:15:36,680
So what

1681
02:15:39,020 --> 02:15:45,160
you're recommending is doing the treatment type one treatment conversion

1682
02:15:45,160 --> 02:15:50,180
whatever at the plant. Yes. And then wastewater will flow from there to the various holding

1683
02:15:50,180 --> 02:15:53,880
ponds. Correct. And then it will be used to be sprayed either on the golf course, cedar

1684
02:15:53,880 --> 02:16:00,080
breaks or if it's type one, it can be splated, sprayed at the park. Correct. So you've described

1685
02:16:00,080 --> 02:16:06,580
the fact that you don't think filtration at the pond itself would be sufficient and you

1686
02:16:06,580 --> 02:16:10,520
don't know that you get to where you need to be and it would be nightmarish for staff.

1687
02:16:11,360 --> 02:16:11,920
So two thoughts.

1688
02:16:12,040 --> 02:16:17,960
I mean, when you do the filtration at the plant, the water is good, and let's say you do

1689
02:16:17,960 --> 02:16:23,320
it to type one, it's then going to flow to the ponds and what's to stop algae and other

1690
02:16:23,320 --> 02:16:28,520
things forming on those ponds after the water is gone from the treatment plant out to the

1691
02:16:28,520 --> 02:16:29,000
ponds.

1692
02:16:29,520 --> 02:16:35,680
Well, there's going to be less of a nutrient load in that water for algae to eat on, plus

1693
02:16:35,680 --> 02:16:41,520
we'll have bio boost installed at these facilities which keep the algae down.

1694
02:16:42,320 --> 02:16:48,020
But bottom line is as we still could have the issue where things happen, well, hell, we

1695
02:16:48,020 --> 02:16:48,920
talked about the other day.

1696
02:16:49,420 --> 02:16:53,120
We saw dead deer floating on the top of the pond the other day.

1697
02:16:53,200 --> 02:16:55,500
That's going to introduce some crap in there that probably shouldn't be there.

1698
02:16:55,500 --> 02:17:06,740
So I guess my real point being I don't see how treatment at the treatment plan itself is going to help solve the problem when things can get introduced to those ponds

1699
02:17:06,740 --> 02:17:12,740
Very easily held ducks coming down there and swimming there and they crap in there and deer die in there

1700
02:17:12,740 --> 02:17:21,680
And so I guess my question I just don't understand how we can be effective at doing type one treatment at the plant

1701
02:17:21,680 --> 02:17:23,680
and then just have to go out to the pond.

1702
02:17:24,120 --> 02:17:26,420
It seems to me we should filter as it leaves the pond

1703
02:17:26,800 --> 02:17:29,220
if we want true type one in our system.

1704
02:17:29,860 --> 02:17:31,740
And I guess the follow up question would be,

1705
02:17:32,220 --> 02:17:33,780
you talk about it being nightmarish

1706
02:17:33,780 --> 02:17:35,340
and overwhelming for staff,

1707
02:17:35,860 --> 02:17:40,060
but it's gonna be more than 13 to $18 million nightmarish,

1708
02:17:40,380 --> 02:17:41,660
because that's what we're talking about,

1709
02:17:41,760 --> 02:17:45,360
the cost associated with doing treatment to type one

1710
02:17:45,360 --> 02:17:46,860
at the water treatment plan.

1711
02:17:46,860 --> 02:17:54,560
Right. I understand where you're coming from, and my objective here is to send clean water

1712
02:17:54,560 --> 02:17:59,880
to Sean, and it will still get filtered to some degree as it's leaving pond 17 because

1713
02:17:59,880 --> 02:18:05,280
you're right. Stuff's still going to grow in it, animals are going to get in it, but

1714
02:18:06,880 --> 02:18:13,840
a biological treatment process will ensure that it's done according to TCQ standards as

1715
02:18:13,840 --> 02:18:19,680
opposed to trying to filter it as it's leaving the pawn, subjecting these filters to all

1716
02:18:19,680 --> 02:18:21,680
those conditions that you were speaking of.

1717
02:18:21,940 --> 02:18:27,800
That way, it can be cleaner, it's easier to maintain, it's done at the plant, and staff

1718
02:18:27,800 --> 02:18:31,500
is always going to have their eyes on it to make sure that we're sitting out type 1.

1719
02:18:32,180 --> 02:18:39,510
Yeah, I'm sorry, I just don't see spend in $13, $18 million to do the treatment, the conversion

1720
02:18:39,510 --> 02:18:40,630
to type 1 at the plant.

1721
02:18:40,630 --> 02:18:44,170
I just don't see the benefit, but that's just me at one opinion.

1722
02:18:45,330 --> 02:18:52,210
Can I ask you to just talk through the process of treatment since, to me, like the process

1723
02:18:52,210 --> 02:18:57,710
of treatment at the plant to get to type one, is a completely different process than what

1724
02:18:57,710 --> 02:19:00,810
would be happening at the moment, is it correct, and can you describe it?

1725
02:19:00,830 --> 02:19:05,330
It would be a biological, chemical process as opposed to a mechanical process.

1726
02:19:05,330 --> 02:19:15,390
us. But obviously during design of all this, we will have value engineering done to figure

1727
02:19:15,390 --> 02:19:21,710
out the most economical solution to get there. And just to follow my question, that biological

1728
02:19:21,710 --> 02:19:27,090
chemical process would not be distributed out to the ponds at a cheaper rate than doing

1729
02:19:27,090 --> 02:19:34,730
it centrally. The CCQ would feel more comfortable with it being done at the tree at one place.

1730
02:19:36,230 --> 02:19:39,970
Yeah, exactly. Let them pay for it. That's what rough said.

1731
02:19:43,650 --> 02:19:49,770
Thank you, Mayor. Actually, I wanted to point something out. So it's really not 13 to 18 million.

1732
02:19:50,430 --> 02:19:56,110
13 to 18 million is the cost to go to type to type one treatment without upgrading the facility.

1733
02:19:56,810 --> 02:19:59,530
If we're because I'm hearing no matter what, we're going to have to upgrade.

1734
02:19:59,530 --> 02:20:06,510
So in my opinion, selecting one of these options that doesn't include a capacity upgrade

1735
02:20:06,510 --> 02:20:09,210
is really nonsensical.

1736
02:20:10,010 --> 02:20:16,790
So really what we're talking about is if we want to upgrade and then go from type 2 to

1737
02:20:16,790 --> 02:20:21,750
type 1 at the plant, it's really 35 to 40 million, not 13 to 18, is that correct?

1738
02:20:22,110 --> 02:20:22,370
Right.

1739
02:20:22,810 --> 02:20:28,770
If you're going to go to 2 million or 2 MGD, yeah, your cost is going to be 35 to 40 and

1740
02:20:28,770 --> 02:20:35,170
This 35 to 40 is an estimate that I provided based on the numbers that freezing nickels had given me

1741
02:20:36,130 --> 02:20:39,450
What's some no swag involved with it, but

1742
02:20:40,630 --> 02:20:47,650
It's also going to include an additional pond and some contingencies as well because as we increase our treatment

1743
02:20:47,650 --> 02:20:51,210
We have to have additional effluent storage capacity

1744
02:20:51,210 --> 02:20:53,410
so even if we went with

1745
02:20:53,930 --> 02:20:59,190
It's changing to type 1 at the plant and it was 1.5 instead of 2, we're still talking

1746
02:20:59,190 --> 02:21:01,270
probably close to 30 million.

1747
02:21:03,010 --> 02:21:09,350
What's going from type 2 to type 1 with an upgrade of 1.5, you're 20 to 24.

1748
02:21:09,530 --> 02:21:10,510
Well, yeah, that's true.

1749
02:21:10,770 --> 02:21:12,290
You kind of went in the middle of 22.

1750
02:21:13,050 --> 02:21:15,250
So it's not 13 to 18 is my point.

1751
02:21:15,330 --> 02:21:16,070
It's really 22.

1752
02:21:16,530 --> 02:21:16,730
Ish.

1753
02:21:17,310 --> 02:21:17,510
Right.

1754
02:21:18,110 --> 02:21:22,930
And I only use that 13 to 18 because that was the only option where he isolated the type

1755
02:21:22,930 --> 02:21:28,030
want to type two or type two type one conversion yeah and I reckon I hear a hundred percent right

1756
02:21:28,030 --> 02:21:33,030
it's probably going to be more because we have to increase capacity yeah and and I just I just

1757
02:21:33,030 --> 02:21:39,810
don't see the value of just keep doing type two and yeah we don't get to water the park but we say

1758
02:21:39,810 --> 02:21:46,690
you know a shit ton of money yeah fun intended I mean I mean citizen money I mean we're it's

1759
02:21:46,690 --> 02:21:49,050
It's bond money, but it's getting paid for somewhere, right?

1760
02:21:49,730 --> 02:21:49,850
Right.

1761
02:21:50,350 --> 02:21:55,990
And once we get up to $2 million, we're going to have issues putting out a lot of that water.

1762
02:21:56,870 --> 02:22:02,030
There's only a few places we can put it out where it's not going to come in contact.

1763
02:22:02,890 --> 02:22:05,090
My kids or folks are going around in it.

1764
02:22:05,510 --> 02:22:08,690
Golf courses, one, two, three, two, three.

1765
02:22:08,690 --> 02:22:16,430
With type one, you then open it up to your medians, your schools can water their grass with it.

1766
02:22:22,030 --> 02:22:26,810
We're going to have an issue disposing of that, that at type 2 epsilon and if we upgraded

1767
02:22:26,810 --> 02:22:29,510
to type 1, we'd have more flexibility.

1768
02:22:30,110 --> 02:22:30,910
And another $20 million.

1769
02:22:31,350 --> 02:22:31,890
Yeah.

1770
02:22:32,310 --> 02:22:39,370
So, my question is, could we go with the option that was just expanding to the 1.5 and

1771
02:22:39,370 --> 02:22:45,590
hold out an option of introducing a filter over it, seeder breaks so we could then use

1772
02:22:45,590 --> 02:22:50,230
Is that water to water sunset port, for example, and expand our distribution that way?

1773
02:22:51,090 --> 02:22:54,510
And hopefully the cost is significant less if all we're doing is putting a filter on

1774
02:22:54,510 --> 02:22:55,530
Plan VII on Plan VII.

1775
02:22:55,630 --> 02:22:56,090
So you're re-expawning.

1776
02:22:56,190 --> 02:22:56,590
Excuse me.

1777
02:22:58,250 --> 02:22:58,690
Right.

1778
02:23:01,420 --> 02:23:07,740
I'll take a closer look at that one, because, like I said, as we increase either 1.5 or

1779
02:23:07,740 --> 02:23:11,460
2, we're going to have to expand and see the re-expawn.

1780
02:23:13,220 --> 02:23:16,540
We might have to add an additional pawn on the golf or somewhere.

1781
02:23:17,360 --> 02:23:21,260
And more or less, we're going to have to double the effort and storage we have now to

1782
02:23:21,260 --> 02:23:25,800
accommodate 2MGD if that's the upgrade we're needing.

1783
02:23:26,560 --> 02:23:28,120
That cost isn't in here though, it's right.

1784
02:23:30,020 --> 02:23:33,920
Not at this point, no, because this is...

1785
02:23:34,420 --> 02:23:41,160
I added this 2MGD upgrade to the slide at the last minute without having enough time to

1786
02:23:41,160 --> 02:23:47,240
go through and get pond added, but just assume about 1 to 1.5 per pond, plus transmission

1787
02:23:47,240 --> 02:23:48,140
lines to get there.

1788
02:23:48,760 --> 02:23:49,780
1 to 1.5 million?

1789
02:23:50,200 --> 02:23:50,800
Yes, ma'am.

1790
02:23:50,940 --> 02:23:51,080
Okay.

1791
02:23:51,760 --> 02:23:59,360
So, instead of 8 to 10 million, well, if it was two MGDs and still you're saying instead

1792
02:23:59,360 --> 02:24:02,380
of 22, we potentially 23, 24.

1793
02:24:02,960 --> 02:24:03,320
Correct.

1794
02:24:03,560 --> 02:24:03,700
Okay.

1795
02:24:06,840 --> 02:24:14,300
I've got a kind of a fundamental confusion, Taylor, so my memory of the discussion we talked

1796
02:24:14,300 --> 02:24:19,600
about, the critical need for putting fixing the irrigation on the golf course so that

1797
02:24:19,600 --> 02:24:24,680
we had plenty of area for distribution of effluent type 2.

1798
02:24:26,360 --> 02:24:34,160
But now what I'm hearing is that may not be enough area for us, and I thought the numbers

1799
02:24:34,160 --> 02:24:41,420
we had looked at, that was more than enough. And so I'm confused now. Are we near at

1800
02:24:41,420 --> 02:24:48,780
two million gallons per day? Are we near the limit or over the limit? I thought we were

1801
02:24:48,780 --> 02:24:54,320
fine with type two. There were some benefits for type one if it wasn't ridiculous. But now I'm

1802
02:24:54,320 --> 02:24:58,980
starting to hear maybe we're not fine with type two. So can you help? Unconfuse me?

1803
02:24:58,980 --> 02:25:04,020
Yeah, type one gives you flexibility. Type two is limited to

1804
02:25:04,020 --> 02:25:07,840
state of breaks behind offense and golf course irrigation.

1805
02:25:10,480 --> 02:25:17,600
And we are planting somewhere between 750K a day to 900.

1806
02:25:17,940 --> 02:25:24,470
That's where we are right now. And I just want to make sure that we put

1807
02:25:24,470 --> 02:25:28,230
ourselves in the right spot to be able to dispose of that additional

1808
02:25:28,230 --> 02:25:32,550
million gallons if that's the upgrade we need. Okay, let me ask my question in a different way. So

1809
02:25:33,070 --> 02:25:39,410
Cedar breaks behind the fence plus the golf course. How much type two effluent could we disperse on

1810
02:25:39,410 --> 02:25:44,150
that amount of land? At 1 million, 2 million, 10 million gallons per day? I haven't had that

1811
02:25:44,150 --> 02:25:48,670
discussion with TCEQ yet, so I don't know the answer to that. So that's not an engineering question,

1812
02:25:48,830 --> 02:25:56,210
that's a TCEQ approval question. Correct. Well, we're allowed by the permit. What are we permitted for now?

1813
02:25:58,610 --> 02:26:04,930
We're permitted for 140 acres of all of our works, and then 60 acres, that's the right, without a volume.

1814
02:26:06,310 --> 02:26:13,570
It's, I want to say, 3.45 acre feet per unit, and I forget what that unit is.

1815
02:26:14,210 --> 02:26:15,130
I'll go back and look at the permit.

1816
02:26:15,730 --> 02:26:17,010
So there's two questions, right?

1817
02:26:17,910 --> 02:26:26,290
There's, if TCEQ gave us everything that we could do, how much could we distribute on that existing land of type 2 affluent?

1818
02:26:27,350 --> 02:26:31,250
is that below 2 million gallons per day or above 2 million?

1819
02:26:31,370 --> 02:26:33,610
I think that's a critical question for us to understand.

1820
02:26:33,630 --> 02:26:34,610
It really is.

1821
02:26:34,690 --> 02:26:40,710
We just haven't had a chance to get in front of TCQ yet to really get the netty-grady figure out.

1822
02:26:41,110 --> 02:26:42,670
I'm trying to separate it out.

1823
02:26:42,730 --> 02:26:44,110
There's an engineering question.

1824
02:26:45,270 --> 02:26:47,750
And then there's the what will TCQ approve question?

1825
02:26:48,270 --> 02:26:49,750
I think there are two separate questions.

1826
02:26:49,750 --> 02:27:02,950
So, you could, if you said, if T.C. you let me do whatever I wanted to, then on the behind-of-the-fans portion of the park and the golf course, I could do X million gallons per day.

1827
02:27:03,050 --> 02:27:11,750
That's a number I'd like to see. And then T.C., you could potentially lower that on us, but it's not going to go any higher than that.

1828
02:27:11,750 --> 02:27:25,290
Right, so during the conversations I've had with the irrigation architects, the system they're redesigning or designing is going to be capable of pumping out 1.5 million a day.

1829
02:27:25,970 --> 02:27:30,330
Just based on sheer volume just for the golf course just for the golf course.

1830
02:27:31,890 --> 02:27:36,890
And do we know about the park side of that? How much more can be done up there?

1831
02:27:41,980 --> 02:27:53,980
So you're right now we're at 60 acres and we can go a little bit more, so there is room for additional disposal up there.

1832
02:27:54,560 --> 02:28:03,660
It feels to me like back in the envelope, we can distribute two million gallons per day type two effluent with the land that we have available to.

1833
02:28:04,020 --> 02:28:06,020
biometrically it's not an issue, it's just going to be T.C.

1834
02:28:06,200 --> 02:28:06,720
It can permit it.

1835
02:28:06,860 --> 02:28:08,920
Well, because we could expand C to rigs further.

1836
02:28:08,980 --> 02:28:09,140
That's right.

1837
02:28:09,360 --> 02:28:09,920
Yeah, that's right.

1838
02:28:10,520 --> 02:28:16,540
And we actually have the little right to use all another golf course, which technically,

1839
02:28:16,940 --> 02:28:18,380
which we don't know much about.

1840
02:28:18,600 --> 02:28:18,840
Others.

1841
02:28:19,020 --> 02:28:20,860
Somebody would have to fix pipes probably.

1842
02:28:20,980 --> 02:28:21,140
Yeah.

1843
02:28:21,320 --> 02:28:25,160
The only thing we know about the pipes is what we've heard from Aaron's hairdresser.

1844
02:28:27,640 --> 02:28:28,460
Yeah, that's right.

1845
02:28:30,260 --> 02:28:33,200
So we probably ought to look into it and figure out what it'll take.

1846
02:28:35,240 --> 02:28:42,640
If I may, so it's kind of sounding to me more and more like even though type one would

1847
02:28:42,640 --> 02:28:45,060
be great, it's more of a want than it is a need.

1848
02:28:45,240 --> 02:28:50,800
Sounds like we can actually accommodate what we need with type two if we expand Cedar

1849
02:28:50,800 --> 02:28:57,460
Breaks and we redo the irrigation at the golf course, but it would be nice if we could

1850
02:28:57,460 --> 02:28:58,040
have type one.

1851
02:28:58,040 --> 02:29:03,680
But I think what I'm looking at is making sure that we're taking care of what we need.

1852
02:29:03,960 --> 02:29:04,000
Right.

1853
02:29:04,580 --> 02:29:09,160
And if it means another 15 million to get a want, I'm not there.

1854
02:29:09,720 --> 02:29:10,420
I'm not there.

1855
02:29:10,460 --> 02:29:14,600
That's why we're having a discussion, so I'll get you all's flavor for what, which I'm wearing.

1856
02:29:17,570 --> 02:29:27,960
So if we just went for volume at this point, what kind of effect would it have on the price

1857
02:29:27,960 --> 02:29:32,460
I guess to add it, the filters later at the plant.

1858
02:29:33,020 --> 02:29:33,060
Yeah.

1859
02:29:33,760 --> 02:29:40,200
I can certainly task engineers with designing it for a future phase to where any additional

1860
02:29:40,200 --> 02:29:46,680
treatment process can be just installed relatively.

1861
02:29:47,100 --> 02:29:53,200
I mean, I know with inflation and stuff that would go up, but I'm just wondering if it would

1862
02:29:53,200 --> 02:29:59,140
be that much if we took that portion out now and saved it for later if it would be that

1863
02:30:00,110 --> 02:30:00,770
What's different?

1864
02:30:03,660 --> 02:30:17,620
Because I'm kind of with her, uh, rather get our volume taken care of first. And they'll look at. Treatment, and I can certainly ask the engineers to when they're designing it to, uh, to look at doing it, where you mean, all a cart later.

1865
02:30:19,780 --> 02:30:33,680
I'm trying to figure out how you're going to determine whether we look to go to 1.5 or 2. Once you've got this new meter installed and you nailed down or we, you know, 750 a day or, you know, nine under whatever is if we're close to 750 or

1866
02:30:33,680 --> 02:30:37,780
do you think 1.5 is going to be enough and if we're at 900 we're probably need to go to two.

1867
02:30:38,000 --> 02:30:41,740
That's correct. Okay. Okay. And then that's something we'll know in the next month or so.

1868
02:30:42,100 --> 02:30:46,560
Yes sir. And one final question I forget for Tracy. Are you trying to shoot to get

1869
02:30:46,560 --> 02:30:52,000
the CEO in front of us for approval to move forward by the end of May? Is that what you're trying to do?

1870
02:30:52,700 --> 02:30:58,360
Well that would have been really nice but the council during strategic planning said you wanted

1871
02:30:58,360 --> 02:31:00,040
and something ready before May.

1872
02:31:00,420 --> 02:31:02,220
And so we've been trying to nail down that,

1873
02:31:02,440 --> 02:31:05,820
at least get some sort of agreement from you as a council

1874
02:31:05,820 --> 02:31:08,100
so that we can go back and really refine these numbers.

1875
02:31:08,520 --> 02:31:10,200
What I do not want to do is go back.

1876
02:31:10,200 --> 02:31:14,220
I've had our financial advisor do a team trillion

1877
02:31:14,220 --> 02:31:15,640
different versions of this.

1878
02:31:16,060 --> 02:31:18,640
And I'm not in favor of going back to him

1879
02:31:18,640 --> 02:31:21,340
until I get some solid decisions from you all.

1880
02:31:21,500 --> 02:31:23,860
And then at that point, I will go back to Tom

1881
02:31:23,860 --> 02:31:25,560
and ask him for those numbers.

1882
02:31:25,720 --> 02:31:28,080
And so that he can work that will also

1883
02:31:28,080 --> 02:31:31,820
have to be brought back to you. So, at this point, I don't see anything happening

1884
02:31:31,820 --> 02:31:36,320
until mid-June. It's not later than that. And I'll just follow up by saying, you

1885
02:31:36,320 --> 02:31:39,780
and I had a conversation, you had a fear with what the state legislature is doing

1886
02:31:39,780 --> 02:31:42,900
is, you know, trying to get in by the end of May, just in case they pass up and

1887
02:31:42,900 --> 02:31:48,040
it goes into effect almost immediately. If they, so legislations last day is

1888
02:31:48,040 --> 02:31:53,140
May 29. Normally, what they will do is they will not put anything back into law

1889
02:31:53,140 --> 02:31:56,960
until September. Right. What I cannot guarantee you, and as you know, this

1890
02:31:56,960 --> 02:32:01,900
legislatures being pretty funny that they wouldn't retroact something.

1891
02:32:03,320 --> 02:32:08,040
Now, they would hopefully already have a bond out there, but I don't know what that

1892
02:32:08,040 --> 02:32:08,580
looks like.

1893
02:32:08,800 --> 02:32:13,840
So, I mean, time is of the essence, and we're doing everything we can to get this moving

1894
02:32:13,840 --> 02:32:14,220
forward.

1895
02:32:14,800 --> 02:32:22,240
So, there's also clauses in there that they can add to make it take effect immediately, but

1896
02:32:22,240 --> 02:32:27,080
But I think it has a pass by supermajority or something like that, but they can't make it

1897
02:32:27,080 --> 02:32:27,320
go.

1898
02:32:27,840 --> 02:32:31,500
I don't know about retroactive, but I know they make it start day one.

1899
02:32:32,220 --> 02:32:35,780
So bottom line is even though you want to try and get something by the end of May, it's

1900
02:32:35,780 --> 02:32:38,480
much more likely to be in the June timeframe before we kind of nail this down.

1901
02:32:39,140 --> 02:32:39,180
Okay.

1902
02:32:39,580 --> 02:32:39,880
Thank you.

1903
02:32:40,460 --> 02:32:45,400
I did want to add something to Mr. Prince's question about the golf course and the capacity

1904
02:32:45,400 --> 02:32:47,540
of how much water that we can put out per day.

1905
02:32:48,540 --> 02:32:52,580
Yes, the system can put out 1.5 million gallons per day.

1906
02:32:52,940 --> 02:32:57,960
But on days like this, when it's raining, we are going to have another lake.

1907
02:32:59,420 --> 02:33:06,220
So to be able to put water somewhere else would benefit the actual golf course itself,

1908
02:33:06,380 --> 02:33:10,880
because putting too much water can kill the golf course, as we've seen already.

1909
02:33:12,020 --> 02:33:20,100
But the architect did assure me that we can put 500,000 gallons per day every day, no

1910
02:33:20,100 --> 02:33:22,380
matter what in non-Golf areas.

1911
02:33:22,780 --> 02:33:23,600
That's a guarantee.

1912
02:33:23,820 --> 02:33:24,480
We can do that.

1913
02:33:24,920 --> 02:33:29,940
But putting out 1.5 million gallons a day, it will absolutely just kill the golf course.

1914
02:33:30,580 --> 02:33:31,760
Just wanted to add that.

1915
02:33:32,160 --> 02:33:33,360
So we all know numbers.

1916
02:33:35,460 --> 02:33:36,300
Thank you.

1917
02:33:36,300 --> 02:33:52,040
So Taylor can you clarify the window that we're looking at here so when we're saying should be 1.5 million or should it be two are we talking about a 10 year plan or 20 year plan what's what's the numbers for that?

1918
02:33:52,040 --> 02:33:52,920
So,

1919
02:33:56,550 --> 02:34:03,810
if we are in fact on the high end of our Plan Capacity and we just went to 1.5 at

1920
02:34:03,810 --> 02:34:08,750
the end of the construction of that Plan, we would have to be in the design phase of two

1921
02:34:09,830 --> 02:34:10,770
unupgrade to two.

1922
02:34:11,650 --> 02:34:21,150
So you're looking at two men a day upgrade, we'll get you more or less double the population

1923
02:34:21,150 --> 02:34:21,790
we have now.

1924
02:34:21,790 --> 02:34:30,890
So right now we have roughly 5400 connections that would get us another 5400 connections for a total of about 11,000.

1925
02:34:30,890 --> 02:34:41,310
Okay, that's important because when we come back to the later agenda item on how much water we want to reserve with LCRA, we're talking about a 20 year plan.

1926
02:34:43,870 --> 02:34:53,070
And so, but what we're talking about here for this wastewater plan is a upgrade to get

1927
02:34:53,070 --> 02:34:55,210
us to maybe 10 years.

1928
02:34:55,970 --> 02:34:59,670
If we assume, I think the same growth rates that we're talking about on other fronts.

1929
02:35:01,110 --> 02:35:01,270
Right.

1930
02:35:01,530 --> 02:35:04,810
I would think maybe a little longer than a 10-year plan for this.

1931
02:35:05,490 --> 02:35:13,830
It's just a no one that development is coming and accounting for that would be one of the

1932
02:35:13,830 --> 02:35:14,610
deciding factors.

1933
02:35:14,910 --> 02:35:18,150
There's a lot of large developments that are wanting to come in that we need it this

1934
02:35:18,150 --> 02:35:22,510
capacity for and if we just went to, you know, if we're on the high end right now and we

1935
02:35:22,510 --> 02:35:27,790
just go to 1.5 and then get solid up like that and then there's no more room for infield

1936
02:35:27,790 --> 02:35:28,250
development.

1937
02:35:29,070 --> 02:35:32,650
Thanks for clarifying that and I think there's really a question for council more than

1938
02:35:32,650 --> 02:35:33,450
it is for you, right?

1939
02:35:33,450 --> 02:35:41,670
Do we want City staff to do in this upgrade to set us up for how long do we want this upgrade to set us up for?

1940
02:35:41,810 --> 02:35:45,150
Do we want this to set us up for five years, 10 years or 20 years, right?

1941
02:35:45,670 --> 02:35:51,590
And what I'm hearing is staff is kind of the numbers that are coming in front of us is kind of a 10-year plan.

1942
02:35:51,730 --> 02:35:52,990
Give or take what happens with growth.

1943
02:35:53,390 --> 02:35:53,530
Right.

1944
02:35:56,600 --> 02:35:57,400
Yes, Councilmember.

1945
02:35:57,940 --> 02:35:58,480
Thank you, Mayor.

1946
02:35:59,040 --> 02:36:00,220
I have another question.

1947
02:36:00,460 --> 02:36:01,620
So thinking about Cedar breaks,

1948
02:36:03,040 --> 02:36:07,760
We know that we can increase the number of acres that we're using in Cedar breaks if

1949
02:36:07,760 --> 02:36:08,440
we need to, right?

1950
02:36:08,580 --> 02:36:13,640
Because it might require modifying our TCEQ permit, but we have the land.

1951
02:36:15,420 --> 02:36:19,300
When you say it includes what's behind the fence.

1952
02:36:20,280 --> 02:36:26,500
Are we talking what is, you know, past the fields that are there now, the ball fields that

1953
02:36:26,500 --> 02:36:31,520
are there now, or are we also talking to land up along the side between where the

1954
02:36:31,520 --> 02:36:38,100
current soccer field and to Sarah is is that would that also be include in

1955
02:36:38,100 --> 02:36:42,540
potential land where we would spread affluent? No ma'am, so when I say behind

1956
02:36:42,540 --> 02:36:45,580
defense it would be that black fence is immediately behind the ballfields.

1957
02:36:45,620 --> 02:36:51,260
Okay, where they wanted to originally install the archery range. So if we have to

1958
02:36:51,260 --> 02:36:55,560
expand our acreage it would only be in that area or would we also potentially need

1959
02:36:55,560 --> 02:37:00,480
to eat up some of that acreage that's now between the soccer field and Tisera.

1960
02:37:05,530 --> 02:37:07,850
You see where I'm going with the reason why I'm asking the questions.

1961
02:37:08,170 --> 02:37:09,730
I don't have the answer for that question.

1962
02:37:10,030 --> 02:37:13,750
Yeah, there's a lot of, they're getting a lot of the weeds that we haven't.

1963
02:37:13,990 --> 02:37:18,530
These are a lot of the, this is the reason why there's such as a wide range of numbers.

1964
02:37:20,650 --> 02:37:25,170
We've been tasked with planning something that usually takes six months to a year

1965
02:37:25,170 --> 02:37:26,970
in a matter of just a few months.

1966
02:37:26,970 --> 02:37:28,810
So that's why there's missing information.

1967
02:37:29,910 --> 02:37:37,690
Okay, that's an important question I think before we approve what may be coming to us as a future agenda item.

1968
02:37:38,190 --> 02:37:38,270
Yep.

1969
02:37:44,700 --> 02:37:46,220
Did you get what you needed, Tracy?

1970
02:37:47,000 --> 02:37:50,820
I'm actually saying here thinking, so I have a question for Taylor.

1971
02:37:51,400 --> 02:37:54,440
Can we get that number without doing a design?

1972
02:37:58,220 --> 02:38:04,380
because if we can't, then it doesn't make sense to do a CO anywhere in the near future

1973
02:38:04,380 --> 02:38:07,600
because we're going to have to design it out to make sure that we can get to that number.

1974
02:38:08,560 --> 02:38:12,680
Which number is it you're talking about? The whether or not we can use that acreage that you're

1975
02:38:12,680 --> 02:38:19,940
talking about, which is the soccer fields and if we needed an additional until they build that out,

1976
02:38:20,200 --> 02:38:24,600
I want to make sure that you know we understand what that looks like. Well, I think the important

1977
02:38:24,600 --> 02:38:30,600
question is are we going to need it? And that I'm not sure I understand why that would take six

1978
02:38:30,600 --> 02:38:34,540
months to get an answer to whether or not you think we might need that plan.

1979
02:38:34,900 --> 02:38:40,900
Yes well the upgrade the size of Cedar Rex pond to accommodate the additional flow and when you

1980
02:38:40,900 --> 02:38:47,120
upgrade the size and upgrade the disposal process so the answer is yes we're going to need it now

1981
02:38:47,120 --> 02:38:54,440
how much we need I don't know or when and that was the the question that I'm kind of pondering

1982
02:38:54,440 --> 02:38:59,000
on is that how much we're going to need, we won't know until they do the design is what

1983
02:38:59,000 --> 02:38:59,460
I'm thinking.

1984
02:38:59,880 --> 02:39:02,540
And I could be wrong, but that's normally what happens.

1985
02:39:03,100 --> 02:39:03,280
Right.

1986
02:39:03,460 --> 02:39:06,200
A lot of these questions get shook out during the design process.

1987
02:39:06,200 --> 02:39:06,800
Exactly right.

1988
02:39:09,540 --> 02:39:15,800
I was just going to suggest kind of reiterating what I think I'm hearing and seeing if y'all

1989
02:39:15,800 --> 02:39:20,080
are hearing the same thing as me that what I'm hearing is we had significant sticker shock

1990
02:39:20,080 --> 02:39:25,800
on the type two to type one so that is probably off the table unless staff comes back and

1991
02:39:25,800 --> 02:39:31,180
tells us we're making a huge mistake and I'm not hearing that so that's one thing.

1992
02:39:32,000 --> 02:39:39,660
The second thing is to me you know this one and a half versus two million we have a lot

1993
02:39:39,660 --> 02:39:44,880
of growth coming and especially if we're taking this type conversion off the table I'd

1994
02:39:44,880 --> 02:39:46,420
let's say, let's just go ahead and get the two million.

1995
02:39:47,160 --> 02:39:51,540
And then, you know, go back and see as we get smarter,

1996
02:39:52,920 --> 02:39:55,200
how far that carries us and what the growth looks like.

1997
02:39:55,460 --> 02:39:57,920
We may have to, we or a future council may have to make

1998
02:39:57,920 --> 02:40:01,680
some other decisions in five years, but I think that

1999
02:40:02,280 --> 02:40:05,320
hopefully sets us up for a good 10 year run without having

2000
02:40:05,320 --> 02:40:09,860
to go reinvest in a treatment plan.

2001
02:40:09,860 --> 02:40:14,980
So those are kind of the two things that come out to me.

2002
02:40:15,100 --> 02:40:17,240
And then there's a lot of detailed questions that will come out.

2003
02:40:17,460 --> 02:40:22,860
But I think if we say we should get a CEO going to cover a two million gallon per day upgrade.

2004
02:40:24,780 --> 02:40:28,620
And I'm not going to type conversion and get moving on this thing.

2005
02:40:29,140 --> 02:40:34,280
I'm not going to type conversion, but do perhaps be type conversions ready.

2006
02:40:34,760 --> 02:40:37,940
And I think we need to understand what the cost of being ready is.

2007
02:40:37,940 --> 02:40:42,900
Yeah, sometimes that's it's full money investment right and some of the stuff that being

2008
02:40:42,900 --> 02:40:47,380
ready with water treatment plant 3 is a good example right it didn't pan out the way it was supposed to pan out.

2009
02:40:48,080 --> 02:40:53,900
I would just add to that that you know it seemed like whether it was that strategic planning or when our previous

2010
02:40:53,900 --> 02:40:58,800
conversation about the irrigation system when we were comparing Cedar Brakes versus the irrigation

2011
02:40:58,800 --> 02:41:04,700
system that we talked about the extra acreage of this there the 40 and so it would be good to it and I thought

2012
02:41:04,700 --> 02:41:08,560
You had said something to the effect that a lot of the infrastructure is already there

2013
02:41:08,560 --> 02:41:13,800
But it increases to the holding pond would be required and some other things that made the cost almost similar to a new

2014
02:41:13,800 --> 02:41:15,600
Registration system with the golf course

2015
02:41:15,600 --> 02:41:20,360
But it would be very interesting to find out the details about that other 40 acres because I believe we're

2016
02:41:20,360 --> 02:41:22,780
entitled to a hundred full acres

2017
02:41:22,780 --> 02:41:31,640
Reparmative for that but we're only using 60 is that other 40 behind the black fence and you know how close are we as far as being able to utilize that?

2018
02:41:31,640 --> 02:41:33,720
I think that'd be important information to that.

2019
02:41:34,100 --> 02:41:35,360
That's what I was trying to get at.

2020
02:41:35,420 --> 02:41:36,140
Thank you.

2021
02:41:36,660 --> 02:41:40,560
I would add this to Sean's concern

2022
02:41:40,560 --> 02:41:42,100
about overwatering the golf course.

2023
02:41:43,000 --> 02:41:44,640
We'd be building this capacity,

2024
02:41:45,140 --> 02:41:49,520
but it's going to be probably 10 years before that actual demand

2025
02:41:49,520 --> 02:41:51,620
is going to be running through the plan.

2026
02:41:52,280 --> 02:41:53,860
Because we're nowhere near that today.

2027
02:41:54,180 --> 02:41:54,400
Right.

2028
02:41:54,540 --> 02:41:55,800
And we'll probably get a similar permit.

2029
02:41:56,920 --> 02:41:59,720
Like our current effluent disposal permit

2030
02:41:59,720 --> 02:42:06,200
where it's phased that way there's, you know, what pond needs to go where based on a given volume.

2031
02:42:06,460 --> 02:42:07,340
But so

2032
02:42:10,640 --> 02:42:14,880
if I understand correctly, you all want to see a two-man, a grade two,

2033
02:42:15,080 --> 02:42:21,240
two-man without a conversion, but being type one ready, or least having plans available for

2034
02:42:21,240 --> 02:42:29,660
type one conversion. And identify where those other 40 acres might be. Yeah, just one question that

2035
02:42:29,660 --> 02:42:34,700
that Rob raised earlier I want to make sure it doesn't get lost in all of our discussion

2036
02:42:34,700 --> 02:42:39,900
and that is although we may not need this in conjunction with building the plan for the

2037
02:42:39,900 --> 02:42:49,420
CO bond, is it time that we start looking at what what costs may be involved in reutilizing

2038
02:42:49,420 --> 02:42:52,540
distribution at the Highlands Golf Course?

2039
02:42:56,250 --> 02:43:00,130
So Alex has reached out to us and we are sending

2040
02:43:00,130 --> 02:43:06,510
effluent back to Highland Lakes. He's seated at the golf course and is asking for water.

2041
02:43:07,910 --> 02:43:13,270
So we've been sending it his way. So his pipes work. Can we get an idea from him how

2042
02:43:15,530 --> 02:43:20,710
how bad or folks are not working for pipes are working? Yeah, they're obviously working.

2043
02:43:20,930 --> 02:43:25,970
We can certainly ask. Our jurisdiction ends as soon as it hits his tank. So

2044
02:43:25,970 --> 02:43:31,070
So, we'll certainly ask him that question and see how his system is going to make him

2045
02:43:31,070 --> 02:43:31,290
water.

2046
02:43:31,950 --> 02:43:32,090
Right.

2047
02:43:32,450 --> 02:43:32,510
Yeah.

2048
02:43:39,420 --> 02:43:41,260
I think we have way more than we did before.

2049
02:43:42,400 --> 02:43:43,200
Thank you, Dan.

2050
02:43:43,260 --> 02:43:44,640
You all at least narrowed it down.

2051
02:43:44,800 --> 02:43:45,000
We're not.

2052
02:43:47,720 --> 02:43:48,640
Thank you.

2053
02:43:51,520 --> 02:43:53,040
No action on that one.

2054
02:43:56,150 --> 02:43:56,490
10.

2055
02:43:58,270 --> 02:44:03,190
Discussion, consideration, and possible action on approving the paving plan for a city street

2056
02:44:03,190 --> 02:44:11,050
and authorizing staff to start preparing it for inclusion in a future proposed CEO issuance.

2057
02:44:14,320 --> 02:44:14,820
Taylor again.

2058
02:44:17,330 --> 02:44:18,590
I'll just stay there for the rest of the day.

2059
02:44:18,590 --> 02:44:19,130
Right, yeah.

2060
02:44:19,330 --> 02:44:19,650
It's tough.

2061
02:44:19,790 --> 02:44:19,930
I'm sorry.

2062
02:44:20,510 --> 02:44:22,110
You're making a lot of progress.

2063
02:44:22,290 --> 02:44:22,890
Yeah, absolutely.

2064
02:44:24,390 --> 02:44:28,670
During the strategic planning meeting, you all asked me to look at three and five year pavement

2065
02:44:28,670 --> 02:44:35,430
plan to repay every road in the city that's either in fair, poor, very poor condition.

2066
02:44:36,010 --> 02:44:38,350
and that's what I brought to you tonight.

2067
02:44:41,110 --> 02:44:46,090
That total cost based on the business that we received for this past pavement plan

2068
02:44:46,090 --> 02:44:52,390
or a pavement project came in roughly 10.7 million for all the roads.

2069
02:44:52,550 --> 02:44:56,850
That's if we were to do it all in one tranche, but that's too much for us to handle.

2070
02:44:58,570 --> 02:44:59,770
and there's a total of 200.

2071
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:13,960
There are 67 roads that require rehabilitation. And during a three-year period, this will be 89 roads per year, which would be manageable. The residents might complain during the course of construction, but we'll be happy afterwards.

2072
02:45:16,460 --> 02:45:29,540
To account for something unknowns, base work, price increases and roads, I mean, may or may not have missed during the course of this initial assessment. It's recommended that we increase that value to 12.

2073
02:45:29,540 --> 02:45:35,920
which would be able to get, you know, 267 rows in a period of three years with

2074
02:45:35,920 --> 02:45:40,620
intention of it being under one contract, just in three-year tranches or, you know,

2075
02:45:40,720 --> 02:45:47,940
one-year tranches. But please also keep in mind, this will be paid in rows that

2076
02:45:47,940 --> 02:45:54,900
don't have utilities currently. So while we'll do our best to make sure that they

2077
02:45:54,900 --> 02:45:59,520
don't cut up a new road, invariably it's going to happen. It's, you can't

2078
02:45:59,520 --> 02:46:06,460
control every contractor in the city. And then the five year plan, you're looking at the

2079
02:46:09,370 --> 02:46:09,550
same

2080
02:46:09,550 --> 02:46:16,690
total number of roads, but an increase of cost of about 4% was applied to the original 12 million.

2081
02:46:17,210 --> 02:46:22,950
So for a five year plan, you're looking at roughly 13 million, and that's 54 roads per year,

2082
02:46:23,190 --> 02:46:24,370
which again is manageable.

2083
02:46:26,590 --> 02:46:28,890
That sets it in a nutshell. Any questions?

2084
02:46:29,570 --> 02:46:33,870
I don't see why we would even consider taking something slower and more expensive.

2085
02:46:35,210 --> 02:46:36,570
I am with you, Mayor.

2086
02:46:37,350 --> 02:46:38,010
That was fine.

2087
02:46:38,350 --> 02:46:39,870
I'm going to start on the end there.

2088
02:46:40,090 --> 02:46:41,030
I'll start on this one.

2089
02:46:41,330 --> 02:46:41,470
Yes.

2090
02:46:41,690 --> 02:46:43,150
I favor the three-year plan.

2091
02:46:43,670 --> 02:46:43,950
Question.

2092
02:46:44,250 --> 02:46:45,730
What happened this list?

2093
02:46:46,430 --> 02:46:48,290
Would it not be subject to change?

2094
02:46:48,530 --> 02:46:56,250
What happens if we annex something or there's a street that's dedicated to the city that needs attention?

2095
02:46:57,010 --> 02:46:59,450
within the next three years, within this plan.

2096
02:46:59,950 --> 02:47:03,010
Well, what was the process for swapping out a stream,

2097
02:47:03,030 --> 02:47:03,650
for example?

2098
02:47:04,190 --> 02:47:06,430
In any new road that's brought into the city,

2099
02:47:06,730 --> 02:47:08,490
would have to be brought up to current standard.

2100
02:47:08,730 --> 02:47:10,590
We wouldn't accept it if it weren't.

2101
02:47:12,650 --> 02:47:12,870
Okay.

2102
02:47:13,570 --> 02:47:13,830
Thanks.

2103
02:47:15,670 --> 02:47:15,990
Julie?

2104
02:47:16,530 --> 02:47:20,110
I was just gonna, first of all,

2105
02:47:20,250 --> 02:47:22,310
echo what the mayor just said.

2106
02:47:22,630 --> 02:47:24,150
I'm in favor of three years.

2107
02:47:24,530 --> 02:47:27,130
I mean, this is a really hot topic for citizens, right?

2108
02:47:27,130 --> 02:47:32,070
We hear about it all the time, so I'm in favor of three years for a million dollars less

2109
02:47:32,070 --> 02:47:39,970
than five years and a million dollars more, but I would be remiss if I didn't thank you

2110
02:47:39,970 --> 02:47:46,890
and your team because I'm sure amassing this list of streets was a not easy and b not quick.

2111
02:47:47,790 --> 02:47:54,510
So I just wanted to acknowledge that I'm sure this took a fair amount of time and effort

2112
02:47:54,510 --> 02:47:56,230
on the part of you and your staff.

2113
02:47:56,470 --> 02:47:57,830
So I just wanted to say that I appreciate.

2114
02:47:57,950 --> 02:48:00,910
That is a very comprehensive list of streets.

2115
02:48:01,270 --> 02:48:03,830
So those are really my only comments on this one.

2116
02:48:04,230 --> 02:48:04,510
Thank you.

2117
02:48:04,730 --> 02:48:05,730
I'll pass it along.

2118
02:48:05,850 --> 02:48:08,010
I really appreciate it because it was a lot of awesome.

2119
02:48:08,830 --> 02:48:08,950
Sure.

2120
02:48:10,590 --> 02:48:13,490
I just want to look you in the eye and say, are you okay

2121
02:48:13,490 --> 02:48:14,350
with the three-year plan?

2122
02:48:14,770 --> 02:48:19,590
Or would you be more comfortable if we said five-year

2123
02:48:19,590 --> 02:48:21,350
and get it done and execute well?

2124
02:48:21,350 --> 02:48:24,830
you know, because that's a man that's a lot of roads in three years.

2125
02:48:25,410 --> 02:48:27,370
That is a lot of roads, a lot of small roads.

2126
02:48:28,190 --> 02:48:31,150
So it's not going to be too terribly cumbersome.

2127
02:48:32,590 --> 02:48:39,290
We would be able to get it done, and we'll make it happen.

2128
02:48:39,370 --> 02:48:40,150
I'm comfortable with it.

2129
02:48:40,490 --> 02:48:42,630
If I weren't comfortable with it, I'll let you all know.

2130
02:48:43,310 --> 02:48:43,410
Good.

2131
02:48:44,390 --> 02:48:47,750
And then a small fall into Mr. Roberts' comment.

2132
02:48:47,750 --> 02:48:52,310
that there is an example that I know of,

2133
02:48:52,410 --> 02:48:54,470
because of something else that I do of a road

2134
02:48:54,470 --> 02:48:56,250
that I think should be on the list that's not.

2135
02:48:56,510 --> 02:49:00,570
So is there a process that whether it's citizens

2136
02:49:00,570 --> 02:49:06,830
or council members for you to handle changes

2137
02:49:06,830 --> 02:49:12,150
that may become aware of over the next month or year?

2138
02:49:13,370 --> 02:49:18,530
Yeah, so that's why I put in some additional funding

2139
02:49:18,530 --> 02:49:24,210
in there is to accommodate or account for roads that we may have missed and just have a unit

2140
02:49:24,210 --> 02:49:30,850
prized dead tab as an alternate that way we know how much roughly it costs for us to say,

2141
02:49:30,970 --> 02:49:37,430
oh no, y'all go pay that one. Okay. Or depending upon the size of said road, we may just be able to

2142
02:49:37,430 --> 02:49:40,310
simply do it in-house. Okay. That's good.

2143
02:49:44,180 --> 02:49:46,840
How do you want to do it? I'm going to support you.

2144
02:49:46,840 --> 02:49:56,340
But I do want to say that if you're going to redo a road, redo the whole road, I drive

2145
02:49:56,340 --> 02:50:03,740
down Hancock every day, well, every day I come here, and the last time it got done,

2146
02:50:03,740 --> 02:50:14,620
And they did everything except for the last, oh, maybe a hundred feet between, I guess,

2147
02:50:14,740 --> 02:50:15,060
Harrison.

2148
02:50:15,880 --> 02:50:20,180
And it just stops about a hundred feet before the end of the row.

2149
02:50:20,760 --> 02:50:24,120
And one of the reasons it was picked is to be done is that it was a through row.

2150
02:50:25,300 --> 02:50:30,500
And then on, y'all just did Henry, right?

2151
02:50:31,520 --> 02:50:35,420
And you did everything except the last 100 feet.

2152
02:50:37,520 --> 02:50:43,240
I don't know why you do it, but if you got to rehabilitate a bunch of old roads now,

2153
02:50:43,660 --> 02:50:46,980
you're going to have to go back and rehabilitate that last 100 feet.

2154
02:50:47,360 --> 02:50:55,580
And if you go down Hancock, you could see there's the potholes and stuff in the park

2155
02:50:55,580 --> 02:51:00,780
that wasn't done or are big, you know, you gotta swerve around a minute though, give it a

2156
02:51:00,780 --> 02:51:05,620
car pretty good job. I just want to say as if we're gonna do them, do them all the way to the end

2157
02:51:05,620 --> 02:51:11,760
because, you know, all the people that are complaining, they're about complaining about the

2158
02:51:11,760 --> 02:51:17,640
potholes in those last little hundred feet, you know, just as much as if there was potholes

2159
02:51:17,640 --> 02:51:24,100
along the whole thing. So I don't know what the deal is, but that makes me crazy.

2160
02:51:24,100 --> 02:51:27,340
And on that one, I have a reason for that.

2161
02:51:27,400 --> 02:51:30,820
I was simply following the previous year's plan

2162
02:51:30,820 --> 02:51:33,500
to get it complete with the cat metro funding.

2163
02:51:34,220 --> 02:51:35,520
That's why I was done that way.

2164
02:51:35,880 --> 02:51:37,380
Just trying to complete the plan.

2165
02:51:37,380 --> 02:51:38,040
Which one, Henry?

2166
02:51:38,660 --> 02:51:38,920
Yes, sir.

2167
02:51:41,240 --> 02:51:43,820
Okay, so that means you ran out of money right there?

2168
02:51:44,060 --> 02:51:45,800
No, sir, I was just merely following the plan

2169
02:51:45,800 --> 02:51:47,460
that had already been initiated.

2170
02:51:48,060 --> 02:51:49,560
You know, the six roads that were taken off

2171
02:51:50,140 --> 02:51:53,080
from the original bid, we wanted to get those complete

2172
02:51:53,080 --> 02:51:54,540
as per that plan.

2173
02:51:54,540 --> 02:52:00,460
And that was council direction stop 100 feet before no just the six streets

2174
02:52:00,460 --> 02:52:05,500
So he was going off of that plan, which you said you wanted those six streets we came to count

2175
02:52:07,220 --> 02:52:14,280
I'm pretty sure I know where that plane came from, so and I get it. It's not I'm good. No, not mad at you. I know

2176
02:52:15,460 --> 02:52:18,700
The other one was done right before you got here the handcock

2177
02:52:19,540 --> 02:52:21,320
And in that plan it said

2178
02:52:22,000 --> 02:52:26,560
road from year to there. That was unfortunate that it didn't say all the way to the end.

2179
02:52:27,780 --> 02:52:31,680
So first of all, thank you and your staff. Definitely appreciate this. This is one of the biggest

2180
02:52:31,680 --> 02:52:36,040
things with citizens. So getting this done quick will be awesome. And if we can do it three

2181
02:52:36,040 --> 02:52:40,360
years and you're comfortable with it, that's definitely what I would like to do. The one

2182
02:52:40,360 --> 02:52:47,620
question I had was surrounding the roads that are on this list. So I'm kind of familiar with

2183
02:52:47,620 --> 02:52:51,720
that area over by the airport, I used to go hike on the roads over there simply because

2184
02:52:52,360 --> 02:52:55,820
there were no streets, there was no traffic and a lot of heels to go up and down.

2185
02:52:56,500 --> 02:52:57,720
It was great for a walk.

2186
02:52:58,660 --> 02:53:03,980
But there are no houses on there, there are no utilities on them, and the vegetation has

2187
02:53:03,980 --> 02:53:05,300
grown into the street.

2188
02:53:05,740 --> 02:53:07,980
And some of those are listed on here.

2189
02:53:08,360 --> 02:53:13,700
And so I'm just questioning whether or not we want to do those streets during this time,

2190
02:53:13,700 --> 02:53:20,360
And simply because, again, no houses, no utilities, it seems like if we do them, we're

2191
02:53:20,360 --> 02:53:24,160
just going to be tearing them up, as stuff gets developed over in that direction.

2192
02:53:24,500 --> 02:53:27,720
And if we can save a little time and save a little money at this point, it might be a

2193
02:53:27,720 --> 02:53:28,080
good thing.

2194
02:53:28,400 --> 02:53:34,100
And I guess my last concern is, do we need to have all the people who own those lots

2195
02:53:34,100 --> 02:53:40,060
over there trim back their trees out of the right away so that we can actually do the work

2196
02:53:40,060 --> 02:53:44,080
over there, because I'm assuming the road companies, they're not going to be responsible

2197
02:53:44,080 --> 02:53:46,700
for removing trees out of the right-of-way, are they?

2198
02:53:46,980 --> 02:53:53,340
No, that would be my staff, because that's going to be a big ticket expense if we have

2199
02:53:53,340 --> 02:53:55,700
that in the contract as a unit cost.

2200
02:53:56,120 --> 02:54:00,380
I'm just going to warn you that a bunch of, there's probably easily 30 to 40 streets on

2201
02:54:00,380 --> 02:54:03,960
either side of the airport over there, where there are roads that are, there's not a single

2202
02:54:03,960 --> 02:54:07,280
house, no utilities and vegetation growing into the street.

2203
02:54:07,280 --> 02:54:13,100
And I just question do we do we really need to do those streets right now probably not there's probably one or two

2204
02:54:16,960 --> 02:54:23,320
Just didn't be nice because they're they're dealing with some rain issues having Kalichi Washington their their garage

2205
02:54:23,320 --> 02:54:27,120
Yeah, so those would be ones that we look at those are just completely undeveloped

2206
02:54:27,860 --> 02:54:32,740
We we throw out I just simply task staff with getting me and a list of all the streets

2207
02:54:32,740 --> 02:54:37,240
Yeah, and then in the list and then great them poor very poor

2208
02:54:37,280 --> 02:54:42,100
fair or good. Yeah, I just think we could easily get down to somewhere in the 240 range

2209
02:54:42,100 --> 02:54:46,460
as far as the number of strengths from where we are if you throw some of those out,

2210
02:54:50,480 --> 02:54:51,040
okay?

2211
02:54:51,740 --> 02:54:58,720
Yeah, I wanted to like the rest of my colleagues here. I want to applaud the work that you and your

2212
02:54:58,720 --> 02:55:06,600
staff have put together put into this project tailor. I know it was extremely detailed and

2213
02:55:06,600 --> 02:55:09,120
and but much appreciated on this end.

2214
02:55:09,800 --> 02:55:14,880
Just a question for my benefit that you may have answered

2215
02:55:14,880 --> 02:55:18,520
in a previous meeting, but what is the projected

2216
02:55:18,520 --> 02:55:21,740
typical life expectancy for these roads

2217
02:55:21,740 --> 02:55:23,600
once they're rehabilitated like this?

2218
02:55:24,220 --> 02:55:27,000
If they're done right, and you keep up

2219
02:55:27,000 --> 02:55:31,420
with maintenance, crack sealing, those sorts of maintenance

2220
02:55:31,420 --> 02:55:33,660
items, it should be 15 to 20 years.

2221
02:55:33,660 --> 02:55:40,940
Some will last longer, some will go bad earlier depending on base issues or if there was

2222
02:55:40,940 --> 02:55:46,920
a water leak underneath the road creating a base failure but on average you're looking

2223
02:55:46,920 --> 02:55:49,060
at 15 to 20 year life cycle for these roads.

2224
02:55:49,860 --> 02:55:58,240
Okay, that's great and just one additional question is striping included in these costs.

2225
02:56:02,810 --> 02:56:05,430
I can't remember if I included striping or not.

2226
02:56:05,430 --> 02:56:11,950
it should be included because I did it based on the total cost and then the total

2227
02:56:11,950 --> 02:56:17,130
square yards. So that cost should be included in this estimate. Okay,

2228
02:56:20,060 --> 02:56:23,500
two questions. Will this

2229
02:56:23,500 --> 02:56:31,220
address some of the persistent issues that we have with certain roads like MacArthur,

2230
02:56:31,220 --> 02:56:43,420
where it hits comes down that hill and hits Bagi. There's an underground. I've been told there's

2231
02:56:43,420 --> 02:56:44,760
like a spring.

2232
02:56:47,940 --> 02:56:53,740
Something on there that keeps washing out everything. Well, this fix that so that

2233
02:56:53,740 --> 02:57:03,080
McArthur doesn't buckle two weeks after we publish, pay the solution to fixing that one is going to

2234
02:57:03,080 --> 02:57:09,520
be one dig it up, cut down the base, figure out what's causing the failure. Is it a leaking

2235
02:57:09,520 --> 02:57:14,940
sewer leaking water, natural spring head, and get a drainage, you know, a fresh drain

2236
02:57:14,940 --> 02:57:21,600
if you will, install there to get that water out of the road, and then put cement stabilized

2237
02:57:21,600 --> 02:57:27,220
base or sometime black base on top of that, and then two inches of asphalt on top of that,

2238
02:57:27,220 --> 02:57:36,840
and that'll create a pretty good structure in Lohman at 1431. Something's got to be done

2239
02:57:36,840 --> 02:57:44,580
with that as well because the trucks slow something. I don't think there's a well

2240
02:57:46,220 --> 02:57:54,980
something popping up underneath that one a similar problem. It's a concrete or something. Something

2241
02:57:54,980 --> 02:58:04,020
this not going to buckle because we're going to have heavy trucks still driving on so then

2242
02:58:04,020 --> 02:58:08,000
my second question I was looking, this list here,

2243
02:58:11,980 --> 02:58:13,880
seems like it has a lot of streets,

2244
02:58:15,360 --> 02:58:25,000
poor and all the way to very good, does this include, does this all the streets in this

2245
02:58:25,000 --> 02:58:26,020
in the city.

2246
02:58:28,160 --> 02:58:33,240
I think these are just the roads left to be done from that old

2247
02:58:33,240 --> 02:58:37,080
old plan from the old spreadsheet. Right, the old plan.

2248
02:58:40,600 --> 02:58:41,420
Results, that's good

2249
02:58:41,420 --> 02:58:42,780
because I don't see my street on here.

2250
02:58:48,980 --> 02:58:52,780
If you all see roads that are on there that

2251
02:58:52,780 --> 02:58:56,980
you know are bad that are not included and this just too many email and I'll

2252
02:58:56,980 --> 02:59:01,960
in there. Um, it's, as we're doing this, they're getting pulled off to do different tasks

2253
02:59:01,960 --> 02:59:06,840
and then having to go back and it's, it's easy to forget and mess. I'm not saying my

2254
02:59:06,840 --> 02:59:09,840
spare. I just had to see it on there. All

2255
02:59:13,360 --> 02:59:14,320
right.

2256
02:59:19,850 --> 02:59:22,810
Did they look any other questions? And it's

2257
02:59:22,810 --> 02:59:29,550
comfortable with that feed. I'll entertain a motion. Following up on your comment that you specifically

2258
02:59:29,550 --> 02:59:34,570
mentioned two problematic locations, which I think are not, yeah, I just looked at MacArthur's

2259
02:59:34,570 --> 02:59:39,350
not on this list at all, so I don't know if there are some other problematic locations

2260
02:59:39,350 --> 02:59:47,170
like McCartor at Boggy and the Loman 1431 where we should have some money in here to

2261
02:59:47,170 --> 02:59:52,310
cover that work as well, or whether you would prefer to handle the situation separately

2262
02:59:52,310 --> 02:59:55,510
through the budget CIP process process.

2263
02:59:55,810 --> 02:59:59,670
I'd rather do that one separately, because we still have some money left over from Cat

2264
02:59:59,670 --> 02:59:59,970
that nature.

2265
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:25,420
Fair amount. We can utilize for that work and not have to spend bond money on it. With those two particular items, be something that you do in house, or would you have an outside firm take care of those? I have an outside firm coming to take care of that. So I'll have the equipment to mill up that base and install more superior base. But let them have that liability. Right. Point the finger, point the blame. Yeah, given

2266
03:00:28,240 --> 03:00:32,800
that you have the money, that's something you could take care of even before we go out for these.

2267
03:00:32,800 --> 03:00:34,400
C.O. Bond's potentially correct.

2268
03:00:35,980 --> 03:00:36,520
Thank you.

2269
03:00:37,120 --> 03:00:37,680
All right.

2270
03:00:38,080 --> 03:00:41,180
Well, if we're done, I'll entertain a motion.

2271
03:00:41,320 --> 03:00:51,760
I would move mayor that we authorize the city manager to prepare a bond package to cover

2272
03:00:51,760 --> 03:01:01,700
the streets that were listed in the document tonight with a couple of comments that

2273
03:01:02,460 --> 03:01:10,920
That staff would have the flexibility to remove some streets that may not need to be on there because a lack of building or infrastructure.

2274
03:01:12,440 --> 03:01:20,060
And that staff would also have the flexibility to do some ads of streets that may have been missed that get brought to their attention by citizens.

2275
03:01:20,480 --> 03:01:20,820
Second.

2276
03:01:23,210 --> 03:01:26,810
Would you mind amending to say that we want to focus on the three-year plan?

2277
03:01:27,330 --> 03:01:33,310
Yes, of course, and accomplishing this in three years would be the objective.

2278
03:01:35,370 --> 03:01:39,250
All right, I have a motion in a second. Any discussion on the motion?

2279
03:01:41,130 --> 03:01:45,130
All those in favor say aye. Aye. All those opposed, nay?

2280
03:01:46,150 --> 03:01:48,910
You're none, motion carried unanimous. Thank you all.

2281
03:01:49,410 --> 03:01:53,130
Thank you. All right, were we at 11?

2282
03:01:53,130 --> 03:01:54,110
Good. The

2283
03:01:56,700 --> 03:02:01,100
discussion, consideration of possible action regarding a future election

2284
03:02:01,100 --> 03:02:08,460
for a GEO bond to renovate the log with east of golf course from Sean.

2285
03:02:09,740 --> 03:02:16,140
Before Sean starts, there's a reason why I have asked, but this back on the Council's agenda.

2286
03:02:16,820 --> 03:02:23,180
During strategic planning, my notes and several other staff members had that we would not

2287
03:02:23,180 --> 03:02:31,200
be doing a GO bond until November of 2024. After several conversations, as one is down

2288
03:02:31,200 --> 03:02:36,540
there shaking its head, there is a belief that there was a discussion that we would be

2289
03:02:36,540 --> 03:02:44,540
doing one GO on this year. Now, going back to my notes, the conversation was that we were

2290
03:02:44,540 --> 03:02:49,980
going to have propositions on November 2024, but we wanted to address the safety issues

2291
03:02:49,980 --> 03:02:55,280
out at the golf course, and if that is the case, I want to make sure I have a consensus

2292
03:02:55,280 --> 03:03:02,040
from the council that you would like to do a Geobond, which would include not the irrigation

2293
03:03:02,040 --> 03:03:07,060
because the Geo is more of the master plan that Sean has been working with.

2294
03:03:08,020 --> 03:03:13,440
On this year, the November bond election, which would mean that you would have a bond

2295
03:03:13,440 --> 03:03:18,480
this year in November, and you would have a Geobond next year in November.

2296
03:03:18,480 --> 03:03:26,480
For my past experience, just say it for me, thank you.

2297
03:03:28,540 --> 03:03:36,300
Most bonds have a better chance of getting citizen approval when you have more propositions

2298
03:03:36,300 --> 03:03:37,220
than just one.

2299
03:03:38,100 --> 03:03:43,640
That is only because there is one focus, and sometimes psychology plays a part and they

2300
03:03:43,640 --> 03:03:47,580
rationalize which one they would like to see if there are taxpayer dollars being spent.

2301
03:03:47,580 --> 03:03:52,080
It also is not good practice to go out for a geobahn two years in a row.

2302
03:03:52,340 --> 03:03:52,940
It's not illegal.

2303
03:03:53,200 --> 03:03:55,660
It doesn't mean that you can't, it's just not good practice.

2304
03:03:56,360 --> 03:04:01,980
Most people actually try, municipalities actually try to wait anywhere from 10 to 15

2305
03:04:01,980 --> 03:04:05,220
years before you go back out for a geobahn and put something on the election.

2306
03:04:06,040 --> 03:04:09,380
But that is y'all's decision to make, my job is to inform you.

2307
03:04:09,380 --> 03:04:17,680
And Sean has been working with the Master Architects for quite some time as y'all know.

2308
03:04:18,160 --> 03:04:23,080
But what we really need is, what is your pleasure on this year and next year?

2309
03:04:23,200 --> 03:04:26,020
Because I want to meet the needs and I serve at the direction of the council.

2310
03:04:28,040 --> 03:04:31,420
All right, and before you start speaking, I want to hear from Sean.

2311
03:04:33,500 --> 03:04:36,620
I want to know what the health and safety issues are.

2312
03:04:36,620 --> 03:04:53,120
I mean, I know we've touched on before, but I mean, are they something that we need to address this year or can they go with a deal with everything else next year?

2313
03:04:54,140 --> 03:05:02,360
Well, it's one of the biggest issues is the gas carts underneath the clubhouse.

2314
03:05:02,360 --> 03:05:10,260
That's the biggest issue as we all know, Avery Ranch, you were there, Mr. Mayor, that

2315
03:05:10,260 --> 03:05:11,260
can happen at any time.

2316
03:05:11,460 --> 03:05:14,500
We have no idea, I mean, we can't predict that future.

2317
03:05:15,960 --> 03:05:24,060
That is probably my biggest concern, electric or electricity-wise in the building it's really

2318
03:05:24,060 --> 03:05:30,040
not up to code, so that could contribute to that problem we can have as well.

2319
03:05:30,040 --> 03:05:40,120
So there's other safety issues as the drive range and pickleball court, to me I feel

2320
03:05:40,120 --> 03:05:46,280
that's a big because I've witnessed it, almost fully physical confrontations between

2321
03:05:46,280 --> 03:05:46,680
the two.

2322
03:05:48,900 --> 03:05:53,720
That was the other one as far as that.

2323
03:05:53,880 --> 03:05:54,540
I can't really.

2324
03:05:54,680 --> 03:05:56,240
Gas tank at the maintenance barn.

2325
03:05:56,240 --> 03:06:00,760
the gas tank at my maintenance barn is not up to stuff.

2326
03:06:02,800 --> 03:06:04,340
That is going to have to get

2327
03:06:04,340 --> 03:06:08,920
replaced for sure. What about the parking lot? Did you think that that was a safety issue

2328
03:06:08,920 --> 03:06:09,440
or no?

2329
03:06:11,580 --> 03:06:17,500
Definitely a safety issue. Yes, not another hazard, so to speak, but it is a safety

2330
03:06:17,500 --> 03:06:23,260
issue. I mean, there's you can possibly trip from all the cracks and roots and broken

2331
03:06:23,260 --> 03:06:29,160
concurbs and all the other stuff. So that is, yes, I agree with you. That is a safe issue.

2332
03:06:29,740 --> 03:06:38,840
But main concerns is the golf carts underneath the clubhouse, my gas pump, and actually

2333
03:06:38,840 --> 03:06:46,200
a fuel trailer sitting right outside the clubhouse is not good as well. But the electrical and

2334
03:06:46,200 --> 03:06:48,480
And the building is out of date and not up to code.

2335
03:06:50,700 --> 03:06:58,940
So I've spoken to Mr. Hunt previously a little bit about reaching out to Yamaha or something

2336
03:06:58,940 --> 03:07:06,120
about converting and seeing what it would cost the city to change from gas cars to electric

2337
03:07:06,120 --> 03:07:06,620
cars.

2338
03:07:07,800 --> 03:07:09,660
We are reaching out to them.

2339
03:07:09,660 --> 03:07:14,300
I haven't heard a response from a bit yet, but I am working on our Amanda and I are working

2340
03:07:14,300 --> 03:07:18,300
You know, on that both, if we were to switch,

2341
03:07:18,700 --> 03:07:20,340
the electricity in the whole building

2342
03:07:20,340 --> 03:07:22,760
should be already done enough to code.

2343
03:07:23,040 --> 03:07:25,480
So we can put it like your golf carts underneath.

2344
03:07:26,060 --> 03:07:28,340
That would solve a cardboard problem.

2345
03:07:28,700 --> 03:07:31,760
And then the gas behind the clubhouse,

2346
03:07:31,920 --> 03:07:33,540
that would help that as well.

2347
03:07:34,020 --> 03:07:36,400
So we're looking at other options for that.

2348
03:07:37,640 --> 03:07:41,720
That's pretty much the safety issues of the golf course.

2349
03:07:42,620 --> 03:07:49,460
And with the gas golf carts, as we all know, we can't govern coming down hills with the

2350
03:07:49,460 --> 03:07:50,320
electric you can.

2351
03:07:51,120 --> 03:07:53,040
So, that's also a plus.

2352
03:07:53,440 --> 03:07:57,060
So, what do you do about the health and safety issues when the citizens vote no?

2353
03:07:57,860 --> 03:07:58,460
What I'm sorry?

2354
03:07:59,240 --> 03:08:03,000
What do you do about the safety issues, health and safety issues on the citizens vote no?

2355
03:08:05,160 --> 03:08:06,360
Let me address that.

2356
03:08:06,620 --> 03:08:06,920
Go ahead.

2357
03:08:07,660 --> 03:08:12,120
If that were the case, then you as a council would need to make some decisions when we started

2358
03:08:12,120 --> 03:08:17,680
talking about the budget and the CIP projects. You could do those in a phased attempt, you know,

2359
03:08:17,760 --> 03:08:24,900
like what is the biggest priority, what we can afford in that budget year, but I would definitely

2360
03:08:24,900 --> 03:08:32,040
say that those would need to go into the CIP, because these are items that, you know, we can ignore,

2361
03:08:32,240 --> 03:08:38,600
but some one day may just be something that bites us in the behind if we're not taking care of those

2362
03:08:38,600 --> 03:08:38,960
things.

2363
03:08:43,560 --> 03:08:50,440
Yeah, as I want to make sure that I'm on solid ground here as liaison to the golf

2364
03:08:50,440 --> 03:08:58,560
course advisory committee, is it okay for me to share the discussions that I've witnessed

2365
03:08:58,560 --> 03:09:05,600
in the committee as opposed to the committee telling me that I need to share something with

2366
03:09:05,600 --> 03:09:27,340
I want to give you a flavor for what the discussions were like in that workshop that we had with regard to what we just the mayor's just been talking about.

2367
03:09:27,640 --> 03:09:34,340
One with respect to the safety specifically of the cart barn issue.

2368
03:09:35,880 --> 03:09:44,240
the committee fully understands that that's really a question more about our sensitivity

2369
03:09:44,240 --> 03:09:52,280
on city liability that's out there as opposed to a golf course operational issue. There's

2370
03:09:52,280 --> 03:09:57,620
an understanding we've got a hazard there related to a city asset and we need to make a

2371
03:09:57,620 --> 03:10:04,580
decision on that, they are not expecting that to be in the scope of the other improvements

2372
03:10:04,580 --> 03:10:08,980
that they're talking about, that we'll deal with that as a one-off, if you will.

2373
03:10:11,280 --> 03:10:19,480
The second question that we've been talking about is timing on when the golf course improvements

2374
03:10:19,480 --> 03:10:31,660
would go out for a geo. The what was driving the committee's desire for an immediate solution on

2375
03:10:31,660 --> 03:10:40,860
that is the current condition of the Greens, which is everybody on the committee understands that

2376
03:10:40,860 --> 03:10:47,860
is by far and away the biggest efficiency on the golf course. We have to get the Greens in condition

2377
03:10:47,860 --> 03:10:50,120
to drive more play.

2378
03:10:52,920 --> 03:10:57,220
So from a business standpoint, they're saying that's something we need

2379
03:10:57,220 --> 03:10:59,860
to deal with immediately.

2380
03:11:00,220 --> 03:11:03,120
And that's why, if possible, they would like to handle that

2381
03:11:03,120 --> 03:11:07,720
as an November 23 bond issue, or as an November 24.

2382
03:11:08,660 --> 03:11:12,160
Now, having said that, they understand that there are a couple

2383
03:11:12,160 --> 03:11:14,880
of other issues that are in the way of that.

2384
03:11:14,880 --> 03:11:25,980
But one is, can we execute enough of the PONT program to be able to support God's course

2385
03:11:25,980 --> 03:11:33,740
watering for them to start rebuilding the greens for next season?

2386
03:11:35,000 --> 03:11:42,040
If we can't, if we can't get the PONS rebuilt and the system ready to go to do the watering

2387
03:11:42,040 --> 03:11:49,200
In time to plant the greens for the growing season, early next year, then there's no reason

2388
03:11:49,200 --> 03:11:51,400
to have to have an November 23 bond.

2389
03:11:53,360 --> 03:11:58,860
The other piece that they are sensitive to is tracing exactly what you were talking

2390
03:11:58,860 --> 03:11:59,200
about.

2391
03:11:59,900 --> 03:12:07,760
That if this comes across as just a one-off item on a bond election, the chances of success

2392
03:12:08,220 --> 03:12:09,420
are not very good.

2393
03:12:09,420 --> 03:12:18,980
and so they would lean on our judgment of when the best timing would be for a bond election to

2394
03:12:18,980 --> 03:12:25,740
encourage public support. So I hope that helps you understand where the golf course committee is.

2395
03:12:27,680 --> 03:12:35,880
Definitely. Thank you, Gage, because one of the questions I had was to ask whether the GCC was on that.

2396
03:12:35,880 --> 03:12:40,280
I think my questions really are more around timing, right?

2397
03:12:40,620 --> 03:12:47,760
So if the city decides to wait until November of 2024,

2398
03:12:48,720 --> 03:12:51,980
from what I understand of what is in our packet now

2399
03:12:51,980 --> 03:12:53,580
and what was previously presented,

2400
03:12:54,460 --> 03:12:58,060
that means that, a, you have to, first of all,

2401
03:12:58,180 --> 03:12:59,320
has to go to the vote, right?

2402
03:12:59,360 --> 03:13:04,060
And if it passes, vote, then you have to call the bonds,

2403
03:13:04,060 --> 03:13:09,980
you know by the time they actually start any sort of work on the golf course

2404
03:13:09,980 --> 03:13:13,680
and it's a two-year process from what I'm seeing in here any any of the three are

2405
03:13:13,680 --> 03:13:22,400
two years you're looking at 20 probably early 2026 that means it wouldn't be

2406
03:13:22,400 --> 03:13:29,940
finished until early 2028 it's five years from now so I think my big question is

2407
03:13:29,940 --> 03:13:36,180
around, are they really okay with a five-year, like realistically, this probably wouldn't

2408
03:13:36,180 --> 03:13:42,000
be complete until five years from now, but it's not on a bond election until 24 and it's

2409
03:13:42,000 --> 03:13:48,160
approved. I mean, that's, like I said, it's five years out. Well, we even have a golf course

2410
03:13:48,160 --> 03:13:51,660
at that point in five years' time, in the current condition that it's in.

2411
03:13:51,920 --> 03:13:58,220
Probably not. So, I think that's an important thing to consider in my opinion on the timing

2412
03:13:58,220 --> 03:14:03,060
of when we call the bond unless the city is interested in conversations about selling

2413
03:14:03,060 --> 03:14:10,060
or leasing before then because 2020 is a long time and given the current condition,

2414
03:14:10,940 --> 03:14:12,240
I don't think it's going to make it that long.

2415
03:14:13,860 --> 03:14:16,920
And I think that was the conversation we had at this strategic planning.

2416
03:14:18,540 --> 03:14:23,300
Not only do we not want it to drag out too long, but we also want to coordinate the remodel if there

2417
03:14:23,300 --> 03:14:25,640
is one with the irrigation update.

2418
03:14:26,440 --> 03:14:32,040
And so if it waits till 26, 27, 28, we're not going to wait that long for the irrigation

2419
03:14:32,040 --> 03:14:37,260
because we have the need of dispersive effluent, which means we're going to disturb the ecosystem

2420
03:14:37,260 --> 03:14:41,040
there of the business for the entire five year period.

2421
03:14:41,620 --> 03:14:46,080
And that's the reason why it's important to me to find out in 23, do the citizens want

2422
03:14:46,080 --> 03:14:50,720
to do the update or not so that we can then coordinate that work with the irrigation system

2423
03:14:50,720 --> 03:14:51,040
update?

2424
03:14:51,040 --> 03:14:59,520
I think what I'm hearing from you, Councillor Sullivan, is you would prefer November 23, I'm leaning toward there as well.

2425
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:29,700
Just because I don't think our golf course will survive, waiting until 28 for this to be completed. That is exactly what I'm saying. And I would add to this, I was out, I played at every ranch yesterday. And, you know, for the longest time, everybody said all the different golf courses said, our business has gone through the root because of the pandemic. We even had it on golf course reports until recently when I said, I think we can take that out. They're still going and blowing. I mean, we were out there in the afternoon. And when I left at 630, there were still a ton of people out there,

2426
03:15:29,700 --> 03:15:33,900
on that golf course. So the bottom line is people are still going to golf courses as long

2427
03:15:33,900 --> 03:15:37,540
as they're in good condition. And I think we could be in that same boat. And the longer

2428
03:15:37,540 --> 03:15:41,540
we wait, the worse it's going to be trying to track that. And we're more money, we're

2429
03:15:41,540 --> 03:15:45,200
going to have to dump in it from the general fund. We're just going to grow in the business

2430
03:15:45,200 --> 03:15:46,580
if we elongate the time.

2431
03:15:49,570 --> 03:15:55,890
I've told my head in with 2023, frankly, but I'm not really

2432
03:15:55,890 --> 03:16:01,550
in favor of packaging it with other items next year. I'd like to see the golf by itself

2433
03:16:01,550 --> 03:16:08,010
in 2023. Even if it were next year to have to be by itself, it can't be put on a proposition

2434
03:16:08,010 --> 03:16:23,390
with anything else. I think I'm sorry. I think 2023 and I understand the urgency that I think

2435
03:16:23,390 --> 03:16:32,790
the issue I have is the package is going to be ready in 2023 to put before the voters.

2436
03:16:34,490 --> 03:16:43,370
We've learned from the Metro stuff that we've got to be ready to promote.

2437
03:16:44,650 --> 03:16:52,610
And whatever it is that you're asking for has got to be pitched effectively to the voters.

2438
03:16:53,230 --> 03:16:56,830
Otherwise, it's just won't go anywhere.

2439
03:16:56,830 --> 03:17:05,130
I mean, it's, it's, you know, whether it makes sense or not, and I understand the urgency.

2440
03:17:05,770 --> 03:17:21,670
My concern is, is the golf course staff committees and us ready to put that bond out there so it

2441
03:17:21,670 --> 03:17:22,150
of a change,

2442
03:17:24,370 --> 03:17:33,250
whether I want to see it pass or not, I would like a bond that we put out

2443
03:17:33,250 --> 03:17:41,270
to be something that's viable, that the voters really will look at and have a choice

2444
03:17:41,650 --> 03:17:45,990
where they're not getting half the information and stuff like that.

2445
03:17:46,330 --> 03:17:47,010
That's my concern.

2446
03:17:47,010 --> 03:17:49,950
We'll have the time to get it together.

2447
03:17:51,510 --> 03:17:58,910
Working with the GCAC, we've had a lot of conversations about this, and we're trying

2448
03:17:58,910 --> 03:18:04,830
to develop some, I mean, we have the master plan now, but what we're trying to do is,

2449
03:18:05,170 --> 03:18:11,090
we're trying to figure out what we think the citizens would vote for, whether it just be

2450
03:18:11,090 --> 03:18:18,130
green's just be the green's complex is adding teas that makes you know we're

2451
03:18:18,130 --> 03:18:22,090
trying to come up with different scenarios that we we think that the public

2452
03:18:22,090 --> 03:18:28,430
might be interested in just to bring revenue back to the city I mean this is

2453
03:18:28,430 --> 03:18:34,270
the only entity that actually brings revenue to the city I mean as far as

2454
03:18:34,270 --> 03:18:39,350
airports, parks and all that stuff it really doesn't the golf course could

2455
03:18:39,350 --> 03:18:49,930
But on page 55 of the packet, bottom of it, $1,801,020.

2456
03:18:52,380 --> 03:18:53,300
That's not the toll.

2457
03:18:55,010 --> 03:18:55,510
It's on the next page.

2458
03:18:55,850 --> 03:18:55,950
Yeah.

2459
03:18:56,190 --> 03:18:59,710
Total measured sum of price for fine grading and lump sum price for.

2460
03:19:00,830 --> 03:19:02,670
That's the only half of it.

2461
03:19:02,950 --> 03:19:04,050
You have to go down.

2462
03:19:04,610 --> 03:19:05,110
That's the total.

2463
03:19:05,670 --> 03:19:06,810
It's highlighted in yellow.

2464
03:19:07,190 --> 03:19:08,310
Plus what's underneath it?

2465
03:19:14,100 --> 03:19:20,190
The least expensive option is three points, something million of these options.

2466
03:19:20,190 --> 03:19:20,650
Correct.

2467
03:19:21,410 --> 03:19:21,510
Correct.

2468
03:19:21,750 --> 03:19:25,750
I mean, like I said, we're trying to work through maybe even different options.

2469
03:19:25,990 --> 03:19:26,010
Right.

2470
03:19:27,170 --> 03:19:32,470
I'd like to see an option for just really getting fixed in the greens themselves.

2471
03:19:33,230 --> 03:19:37,090
And that's what we're, you know, you couple that with the CO on the irrigation and.

2472
03:19:38,210 --> 03:19:38,430
Yeah.

2473
03:19:38,810 --> 03:19:40,470
And that's what we're working on right now.

2474
03:19:40,570 --> 03:19:46,570
We're trying to actually reach out to the architect to see if we can get with the GCAC

2475
03:19:46,570 --> 03:19:49,070
and have a little sit down with the architects.

2476
03:19:49,070 --> 03:19:56,530
and come up with what could be the minimum we can do to make an impact to start bringing revenue to this government.

2477
03:19:57,450 --> 03:19:58,450
And that's what we're looking at.

2478
03:19:58,470 --> 03:20:02,690
George, when does your committee meet again?

2479
03:20:03,590 --> 03:20:05,390
The big again.

2480
03:20:05,930 --> 03:20:06,410
Next week.

2481
03:20:07,430 --> 03:20:08,030
25th.

2482
03:20:08,030 --> 03:20:08,170
Yes.

2483
03:20:09,450 --> 03:20:09,630
Okay.

2484
03:20:12,650 --> 03:20:20,400
If, you know, one thing that concerns me about forcing the decision right now on the November

2485
03:20:20,400 --> 03:20:27,660
number 23 bond is a question that we don't have answered is, and this is one of the things

2486
03:20:27,660 --> 03:20:36,360
the golf course committee is working on, is will the irrigation system be in place to

2487
03:20:36,360 --> 03:20:44,800
support that future improvement work, which primarily the Greens? Will we have that finished?

2488
03:20:45,140 --> 03:20:47,400
And we don't have the answer to that right now.

2489
03:20:47,400 --> 03:20:54,020
Correct. No. And that I'm just being honest, that is my biggest concern. If we don't have

2490
03:20:54,020 --> 03:21:01,360
the irrigation, the renovation is mute. I mean, you cannot grow grass with the system that we

2491
03:21:01,360 --> 03:21:09,260
have now. It's just impossible. But to address that, let's say, for example, we post the CO irrigation

2492
03:21:09,260 --> 03:21:15,160
systems in there. The geo goes out on this November and it passes. And for whatever reason, we're not

2493
03:21:15,160 --> 03:21:20,280
able to get the irrigation system started in a timely fashion to start the renovation in early

2494
03:21:20,280 --> 03:21:26,180
part of 24. You just wait until at least you'll have the money and you can start at early 25

2495
03:21:26,180 --> 03:21:30,820
and then the next time in early 26, the vote will be done. You don't have to do the renovation

2496
03:21:30,820 --> 03:21:35,080
without the irrigation system. It's exactly what I was going to say. Thank you, Constable Sullivan.

2497
03:21:35,920 --> 03:21:42,780
Let me ask a question. If we all understand that the really immediate

2498
03:21:42,780 --> 03:21:48,680
work on the golf course? Is the Greens? Just the Greens?

2499
03:21:51,030 --> 03:22:00,170
Is it out of the question to include that small part of the improvements on the golf course in the CEO package?

2500
03:22:00,770 --> 03:22:08,170
I don't think Lee Lee can. It's not a health or safety. It doesn't meet the CEO bond requirements.

2501
03:22:08,170 --> 03:22:10,390
And we had that set up on the console.

2502
03:22:10,990 --> 03:22:11,110
Okay.

2503
03:22:11,670 --> 03:22:12,150
Explicitly.

2504
03:22:12,390 --> 03:22:12,490
Yep.

2505
03:22:16,310 --> 03:22:22,870
I do think we're overestimating how long, even if we wait for a November 24 bond,

2506
03:22:23,050 --> 03:22:29,410
how long it's going to take to start to make a difference at the golf course.

2507
03:22:29,410 --> 03:22:39,770
the expectation is that if we have an November 24 bond approval that we would be

2508
03:22:39,770 --> 03:22:44,530
locked and loaded to start the work almost immediately in the spring for the

2509
03:22:44,530 --> 03:22:48,650
growing season in 25 depending on irrigation.

2510
03:22:49,670 --> 03:22:55,170
Yeah, I mean, if we get the irrigation approved this year, we should at least be able

2511
03:22:55,170 --> 03:23:04,030
the start on the first nine by the beginning of 25. Oh yeah. And that was the second piece

2512
03:23:04,030 --> 03:23:09,930
I was going to mention is that remember we're doing this in phases. And so we are going

2513
03:23:09,930 --> 03:23:20,690
to have an open golf course with brand new greens ready to go during the year of 26.

2514
03:23:20,690 --> 03:23:28,890
So we're three years out, not five years out, or at least there's going to be some significant improvement on the golf course.

2515
03:23:29,930 --> 03:23:38,130
I just think we're premature right now calling for an November 23 bond election.

2516
03:23:40,930 --> 03:23:43,090
Can I ask it just a general question?

2517
03:23:43,090 --> 03:23:52,930
So, let's say it did go to a vote, regardless of which November, if it happens in a November,

2518
03:23:54,230 --> 03:24:04,070
after citizens approve it, then how long is the process realistically before you have money

2519
03:24:04,070 --> 03:24:06,790
in hand to begin any of the work?

2520
03:24:07,310 --> 03:24:11,510
You're suggesting it's two months, I would disagree with that.

2521
03:24:13,610 --> 03:24:19,350
It would be at the earliest potentially April or May that we would even have funds available

2522
03:24:19,350 --> 03:24:19,950
to do it.

2523
03:24:20,050 --> 03:24:23,070
Isn't that beyond when you said it would have to wait.

2524
03:24:23,130 --> 03:24:28,590
So we would have to wait because you put it on in 23, so if we don't have it, we can't

2525
03:24:28,590 --> 03:24:30,370
Then we could meet the 26 deadline.

2526
03:24:30,550 --> 03:24:34,750
But if you wait until 24, I'm sorry, you're not going to start in spring of 25.

2527
03:24:34,990 --> 03:24:35,990
It's too late.

2528
03:24:36,330 --> 03:24:41,070
And the other point I would make is that I was actually very pleasantly surprised with the

2529
03:24:41,070 --> 03:24:45,870
work that they architected. I mean, he broke it down. It's a fairly fine detail with

2530
03:24:45,870 --> 03:24:50,290
the cost of estimates. And so it seems to me that it really shouldn't be that difficult.

2531
03:24:50,530 --> 03:24:54,370
If the decisions made that we really just want to focus on the greens and the green, green

2532
03:24:54,370 --> 03:24:59,950
complexes, for example, to pull out of what he put together that information along with

2533
03:24:59,950 --> 03:25:04,650
the safety issues, put that on a geo for this November and let the citizens decide.

2534
03:25:05,390 --> 03:25:05,730
Absolutely.

2535
03:25:06,390 --> 03:25:07,870
Is it much of the work in the packet already?

2536
03:25:08,790 --> 03:25:13,710
most of the work is in the packet already but to have this meeting that we're

2537
03:25:13,710 --> 03:25:19,850
scheduled only for early May is what we decided that's going to give us real

2538
03:25:19,850 --> 03:25:27,010
answers to bring back and for us to discuss as far as GCAC and then we can narrow

2539
03:25:27,010 --> 03:25:31,650
it down to what do we think that should happen and what could happen

2540
03:25:40,480 --> 03:25:44,080
so I want to

2541
03:25:44,080 --> 03:25:51,220
make sure I understand this. We're looking at a November 2023 geo that geo would have

2542
03:25:51,220 --> 03:25:58,700
whatever GCAC comes back as a recommendation that they see that the citizens would be

2543
03:25:58,700 --> 03:26:04,080
willing to vote on and the safety issues which means now we're going to have to really

2544
03:26:04,080 --> 03:26:10,460
bust it to get these safety issues get a cost to those we have to call the election in

2545
03:26:10,460 --> 03:26:16,980
August. So no matter what, we need to have that. And then we do that. There needs to be a very

2546
03:26:16,980 --> 03:26:22,780
concentrated effort on them. I'm on call it marketing, not persuasion, but really educating

2547
03:26:22,780 --> 03:26:31,160
the public as to what it is that we were wanting to get a change. So. Yes. All right. That's what I

2548
03:26:31,160 --> 03:26:38,140
needed. I want to clarify something. It sounded like part of what you just said was that GCAC is going

2549
03:26:38,140 --> 03:26:39,280
to tell us what's on this bottom.

2550
03:26:39,520 --> 03:26:41,760
Well, they're going to make a recommendation.

2551
03:26:42,220 --> 03:26:43,000
Yeah, they're going to make a recommendation.

2552
03:26:43,480 --> 03:26:46,020
But what I was hearing in the discussion

2553
03:26:46,020 --> 03:26:52,700
was we are leaning towards an option 4, which

2554
03:26:52,700 --> 03:26:54,920
is a green's only option, which is cheaper

2555
03:26:54,920 --> 03:26:56,920
than any of the three options that are on here

2556
03:26:56,920 --> 03:27:01,580
and focusing on that and getting that going in November.

2557
03:27:02,160 --> 03:27:06,300
Now, it may be that the size of many convinces us,

2558
03:27:06,440 --> 03:27:07,460
that's a bad decision.

2559
03:27:07,460 --> 03:27:11,000
And after their feedback we could change it, but that was kind of the direction I was hearing.

2560
03:27:11,240 --> 03:27:24,120
Part of what the GCAC is planning on coming back with is a stair step of scopes to be included

2561
03:27:24,120 --> 03:27:33,200
in the bond based on properties. So they'll start with, here's a baseline, here's what we absolutely

2562
03:27:33,200 --> 03:27:38,440
we have to do. Here are several things that are not quite at that level of importance,

2563
03:27:38,440 --> 03:27:45,710
but we think that there are good changes that will be made out here with that type of

2564
03:27:45,710 --> 03:27:49,790
feedback. And then it will be up to us to decide what we include in the package.

2565
03:27:50,330 --> 03:27:57,290
I don't know. I mean, I would almost rather than just these are citizens, right? And they're

2566
03:27:57,290 --> 03:28:03,730
going to say, what are my neighbors going to vote for? I kind of like them to come back

2567
03:28:03,730 --> 03:28:06,750
I can say, while we love to get all this stuff,

2568
03:28:06,750 --> 03:28:08,370
we're afraid that won't get approved.

2569
03:28:08,750 --> 03:28:10,010
And so here's what we think.

2570
03:28:10,050 --> 03:28:12,530
Jay, they will include that in their consideration.

2571
03:28:12,730 --> 03:28:13,290
Correct.

2572
03:28:13,570 --> 03:28:14,070
Absolutely.

2573
03:28:14,490 --> 03:28:16,410
So basically we're looking at,

2574
03:28:16,830 --> 03:28:18,690
you keep saying it greens only package,

2575
03:28:18,890 --> 03:28:22,330
but it's a greens only plus the safety issues.

2576
03:28:22,670 --> 03:28:24,290
Yes, greens and safety issues.

2577
03:28:24,910 --> 03:28:27,550
And I would encourage the GCA members

2578
03:28:28,470 --> 03:28:31,450
to get out and talk to their non-Golfing neighbors.

2579
03:28:33,670 --> 03:28:35,110
That's how you're going to have to convince.

2580
03:28:35,410 --> 03:28:43,570
And I do want to add again that in terms of the safety issues, no matter what happens

2581
03:28:43,570 --> 03:28:48,590
on all the other golf course issues, one way or another we're going to have to address

2582
03:28:48,590 --> 03:28:52,790
the safety and address it immediately because of the city liability.

2583
03:28:55,260 --> 03:28:59,620
We hope we can get the citizens to vote for a GO, but if they don't, we still got to figure

2584
03:28:59,620 --> 03:29:00,280
out the way they can.

2585
03:29:00,280 --> 03:29:03,120
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree.

2586
03:29:05,240 --> 03:29:09,980
Good. Yes, thank you. Thank you for your patience, too.

2587
03:29:13,090 --> 03:29:15,470
Are we all 13? Thanks so much.

2588
03:29:17,420 --> 03:29:18,140
Wake up, Tyler.

2589
03:29:21,160 --> 03:29:24,220
Are you ready for a motion of 13?

2590
03:29:24,380 --> 03:29:28,900
Discussion, concentration, post-waction, authorizing the city manager to enter into an agreement

2591
03:29:28,900 --> 03:29:32,900
with LCRA for the purchase of raw or untreated water.

2592
03:29:33,760 --> 03:29:36,780
Do we have a choice, a brawl or a untreatable thing?

2593
03:29:40,580 --> 03:29:42,100
Well, there's a one in the same.

2594
03:29:42,560 --> 03:29:43,200
It's one in the same.

2595
03:29:43,680 --> 03:29:44,340
Oh, okay.

2596
03:29:48,140 --> 03:29:49,000
You're in last meeting.

2597
03:29:49,200 --> 03:29:56,560
You all asked me to go back and kind of give projections as to where I think we're going to need to be.

2598
03:29:57,240 --> 03:29:59,840
You all asked me what my comfort level was.

2599
03:30:00,340 --> 03:30:19,340
5,000-acre fee. And during the course of my conversations with LCRA, they recommended a longer contract than 10 years. So at 20 years, that's the projections that I provided you. I'll open it up for questions. You just answered my question on the 10 year.

2600
03:30:22,280 --> 03:30:31,100
In the water contract, we'll print it out on this one page of the super long document

2601
03:30:31,100 --> 03:30:37,320
because it turns out contracts, it's just for industrial contracts, minimum of five

2602
03:30:37,320 --> 03:30:39,320
years and maximum of 40 years.

2603
03:30:40,560 --> 03:30:47,020
But you're saying the people you're talking to suggest or prefer or they're really twisting

2604
03:30:47,020 --> 03:30:50,820
I'm not quite sure why are they coming down

2605
03:30:50,820 --> 03:30:53,240
with 20 years and is that the best thing for us

2606
03:30:53,240 --> 03:30:54,340
or it's the best thing for them?

2607
03:30:54,880 --> 03:30:56,840
That's gonna be the best thing for us

2608
03:30:56,840 --> 03:30:58,160
because if we were to continue

2609
03:30:58,160 --> 03:31:00,780
projecting out our population over the course of 30,

2610
03:31:00,800 --> 03:31:02,960
40 years from the contract,

2611
03:31:03,460 --> 03:31:06,880
then that reservation rate gets larger and larger

2612
03:31:06,880 --> 03:31:09,860
whereas at a 20 year, it's less.

2613
03:31:10,240 --> 03:31:11,880
What about 10, or five?

2614
03:31:12,360 --> 03:31:13,800
Because they say it could be in the document

2615
03:31:13,800 --> 03:31:15,360
it says it could be a minimum of five.

2616
03:31:15,360 --> 03:31:23,940
right now there's a total of 35,000 acre fee available in Lake Travis. And there are several

2617
03:31:23,940 --> 03:31:32,760
large customers in Austin area looking to gobble up what's left. And LCRAA said they are

2618
03:31:32,760 --> 03:31:40,100
once they get that which they get ours and they get theirs there's no more available. And at this

2619
03:31:40,100 --> 03:31:51,400
At this point, they're going to build, I believe, our buckle reservoir, which will then increase capacity like Travis by 15,000 at the feet.

2620
03:31:52,280 --> 03:31:58,200
And their projection is somewhere between 2025, 2025, 26 timeframe is when it should be completed.

2621
03:31:58,960 --> 03:32:03,480
And actually, I think answered another question that I had reading between the lines there.

2622
03:32:03,480 --> 03:32:10,440
this M.O.Q. as they call it in there, the reservation quantity. They're not over selling

2623
03:32:10,440 --> 03:32:15,740
the lake, they're M.O.Q.s from all the entities don't add up to more water than they have.

2624
03:32:16,600 --> 03:32:18,080
I don't answer that one.

2625
03:32:18,620 --> 03:32:19,300
We hope not.

2626
03:32:20,180 --> 03:32:21,860
Well, I mean, one will hope not.

2627
03:32:22,340 --> 03:32:25,740
I mean, from what you were just saying, it sounded like they're saying when it's gone, it's gone.

2628
03:32:26,780 --> 03:32:28,700
That's how I heard that comment as well.

2629
03:32:28,700 --> 03:32:31,380
And that's how I receive the common promotion.

2630
03:32:31,760 --> 03:32:37,120
They're making a lot of extra money by selling these M.O.Qs, and I would be pretty surprised

2631
03:32:37,120 --> 03:32:40,920
if they're not over committed, but, you know, I can't tell.

2632
03:32:41,060 --> 03:32:47,420
I actually did try to find online, you know, what's the M.O.Q for Austin, especially since

2633
03:32:47,420 --> 03:32:51,120
they're the vast majority user, I couldn't find that information anywhere.

2634
03:32:51,320 --> 03:32:54,120
I don't know if elsewhere I would share that with us, it'd be interesting.

2635
03:32:56,420 --> 03:33:01,860
In the last meeting when we talked about this, Mr. Roberts said, I know that you will spend

2636
03:33:01,860 --> 03:33:06,360
your, you know, spreadsheet time, and so I was going to do it anyway, but they really

2637
03:33:06,360 --> 03:33:07,200
spurred me to go on.

2638
03:33:09,260 --> 03:33:17,280
So if you only look at the increase in cost because of the reservation, it's pretty concerning

2639
03:33:17,280 --> 03:33:22,760
and that's where I was coming from in the last meeting, however, the portion of our cost

2640
03:33:22,760 --> 03:33:30,700
for citizens that is what we pay to LCRA for the raw water is actually pretty small and so if I

2641
03:33:30,700 --> 03:33:36,020
did the math right I was looking at the total from the last from the budget for this year the water

2642
03:33:36,020 --> 03:33:44,080
services revenue is about five and a half million dollars and we're paying LCRA 220 thousand dollars

2643
03:33:44,080 --> 03:33:50,080
that's what's in our budget for this year so we're actually 4% of what we're charging the citizens

2644
03:33:50,080 --> 03:33:52,100
is what we're paying to L-C-R-A.

2645
03:33:52,460 --> 03:33:54,300
So that's the majority of our citizens' cost

2646
03:33:54,300 --> 03:33:56,540
is not money going to L-C-R-A.

2647
03:33:58,260 --> 03:34:00,880
Now, when we move to this new model

2648
03:34:00,880 --> 03:34:03,960
where they make a paper of water and pay for the reservation,

2649
03:34:05,440 --> 03:34:07,420
even one of the things I thought was interesting

2650
03:34:07,420 --> 03:34:10,900
is even if we only use the same amount of water

2651
03:34:10,900 --> 03:34:14,420
as we're using right now, our cost to L-C-R-A go up

2652
03:34:14,420 --> 03:34:15,820
with this new charging line.

2653
03:34:15,940 --> 03:34:17,880
We've been getting a great deal, so our costs go up.

2654
03:34:17,880 --> 03:34:22,300
And so when I looked at, I just said, I'll restate it.

2655
03:34:22,320 --> 03:34:28,100
If I did the numbers right, 4% of the dollars that are citizens that are having to pay for

2656
03:34:28,100 --> 03:34:32,460
water is going all the way through to RCL, Elcerity, today.

2657
03:34:32,940 --> 03:34:37,080
With the new model and the new reservation that you proposed, that actually goes from 4%

2658
03:34:37,080 --> 03:34:38,100
to 10%.

2659
03:34:38,100 --> 03:34:44,180
So it's a pretty significant increase, and we've been trying to figure out how we can reduce

2660
03:34:44,180 --> 03:34:48,780
sort of water rates for citizens, not increase our water rates for citizens.

2661
03:34:49,420 --> 03:34:54,760
And so that increase on the LCR-A front is significant enough that we're going to have

2662
03:34:54,760 --> 03:34:58,300
to do some real hard work at trying to be efficient elsewhere.

2663
03:34:59,320 --> 03:35:09,920
And so I would say the difference between whether it's a 5500 acre fee reservation, which is

2664
03:35:09,920 --> 03:35:15,740
what you had suggested or whether it's something smaller like 4,500 is actually a pretty small

2665
03:35:15,740 --> 03:35:18,480
number in the overall budget perspective.

2666
03:35:19,120 --> 03:35:23,300
And so I've kind of moved to where I'm comfortable with being a little more conservative and

2667
03:35:23,300 --> 03:35:26,180
reserving more, which is where most of all of you guys were last time.

2668
03:35:26,800 --> 03:35:35,500
I would simply say that the task for staff will request, for me at least, I think probably

2669
03:35:35,500 --> 03:35:40,380
from the rest of council would be, let's be even more aggressive about trying to find other

2670
03:35:40,380 --> 03:35:44,380
places to be efficient because this is headed in the wrong direction from our citizens perspective.

2671
03:35:44,800 --> 03:35:46,600
Fiscal Conservancy, got it?

2672
03:35:49,320 --> 03:35:49,520
Mayor?

2673
03:35:51,770 --> 03:35:52,050
Yes, sir.

2674
03:35:52,730 --> 03:35:55,850
So, much like Mr. Prince, I had to do my spreadsheet, too.

2675
03:35:57,570 --> 03:35:59,650
First of all, I wanted to ask some questions.

2676
03:36:00,130 --> 03:36:01,770
And I think you've kind of sort of answered them.

2677
03:36:02,150 --> 03:36:06,510
Do we have any clue about the other municipalities that pull from like Travis and

2678
03:36:06,510 --> 03:36:17,930
and what they currently have observed and are they going through this same process and do we know if some of them are looking like us to potentially give some back? Do we have any info on that at all?

2679
03:36:18,250 --> 03:36:19,010
No, sir, I did not.

2680
03:36:19,370 --> 03:36:20,110
Okay, fair enough.

2681
03:36:23,940 --> 03:36:32,900
What I did was, I made some assumptions and you can agree or disagree, but it was something I just started out with.

2682
03:36:32,900 --> 03:36:36,420
We have about 11,000 people today, okay?

2683
03:36:37,020 --> 03:36:40,460
If you add up all the existing platted lots in old logo,

2684
03:36:40,460 --> 03:36:42,840
the approved developments, the total is probably

2685
03:36:42,840 --> 03:36:46,880
about 11,500 new homes that could be built in Lagovissa.

2686
03:36:47,380 --> 03:36:49,760
With the national average of 2.5 people per household,

2687
03:36:50,220 --> 03:36:53,920
that yields another 28,753 residents in new homes

2688
03:36:53,920 --> 03:36:57,820
and total of about 39,753 when full build out.

2689
03:36:57,940 --> 03:37:00,180
And that tricks pretty closely to the 5% model

2690
03:37:00,180 --> 03:37:01,960
that Taylor had in the packet.

2691
03:37:03,000 --> 03:37:05,420
If you adjust those numbers to reflect something,

2692
03:37:05,520 --> 03:37:07,640
I think that's maybe a little bit closer to reality.

2693
03:37:08,360 --> 03:37:11,660
The number of new home shrinks to about 9266,

2694
03:37:11,820 --> 03:37:15,260
and there's lots and old logo that aren't going to get developed

2695
03:37:15,260 --> 03:37:16,900
because people are holding multiple odds,

2696
03:37:17,340 --> 03:37:18,780
or the topography, that kind of thing.

2697
03:37:19,160 --> 03:37:21,260
Some of the developments that we have out there are not likely

2698
03:37:21,260 --> 03:37:22,700
to fully develop.

2699
03:37:22,880 --> 03:37:25,000
To Sarah is estimated 2000,

2700
03:37:25,220 --> 03:37:27,320
but they've already built 300 homes, for example.

2701
03:37:27,780 --> 03:37:29,480
So you make some adjustments for that.

2702
03:37:29,480 --> 03:37:42,860
and all of a sudden you drop to that 92-66, so that goes by 23-165. You add in today's population,

2703
03:37:42,860 --> 03:37:51,100
that's 34-165 instead of the 39,000. So about 5,000 less is what I'm getting at. And I think that's

2704
03:37:51,100 --> 03:37:58,440
more realistic about what we're going to see in the next 20 years potentially. So if you take a look at

2705
03:37:59,760 --> 03:38:05,120
Taylor's spreadsheet in the packet, and you look at that number of 34,000 people, that

2706
03:38:05,120 --> 03:38:09,580
equates to about using 4,300 acre feet of water, okay.

2707
03:38:09,980 --> 03:38:13,920
So in the 20 years, next 20 years, it's not likely that we're going to need any more

2708
03:38:13,920 --> 03:38:16,220
than about 4,300 acre feet.

2709
03:38:16,520 --> 03:38:23,800
And quite frankly, I think it might be a good thing for us to plan on using 4,500, for example,

2710
03:38:23,800 --> 03:38:27,640
if you want to round up a little bit to say, hey, when we get to that point, we just can't

2711
03:38:27,640 --> 03:38:31,440
building anymore? Can't grow anymore? And, you know, we're, you know, it's going to

2712
03:38:31,440 --> 03:38:34,920
stop development to a certain degree, which I think a lot of our people, I mean, when

2713
03:38:34,920 --> 03:38:39,680
you think about it, you're talking about more than tripling our population, going to 34,000

2714
03:38:39,680 --> 03:38:40,560
from what we are today.

2715
03:38:41,760 --> 03:38:47,760
Yeah, exactly, exactly. So, I guess all I would say is that if we make a reservation of 4,500

2716
03:38:48,460 --> 03:38:55,340
acre feet, a reservation cost would be about 348,750, that would represent $155,000 savings

2717
03:38:55,340 --> 03:39:01,700
each year over the 6500 acre fee and you're talking about saving $3 million over 20 years.

2718
03:39:02,220 --> 03:39:08,160
So I would just suggest maybe we think pretty hard about maybe reserving just 4,500 instead

2719
03:39:08,160 --> 03:39:13,900
of the 5,500 because that represents a tripling of population in 20 years and quite frankly

2720
03:39:13,900 --> 03:39:15,520
I can't, I don't see that happening.

2721
03:39:15,960 --> 03:39:24,020
I mean think about it, in the last 10 years we went from 6,600 to 8,900 and you're telling

2722
03:39:24,020 --> 03:39:32,200
me we're going to go from you know 11,000 today or you know 8800 back in in 2020 to 39,000 I'm sorry

2723
03:39:32,200 --> 03:39:37,780
I just don't see that um so I think to me planning for a 34,000 over the next 20 years

2724
03:39:38,340 --> 03:39:42,640
pretty prudent to be honest with you and it'll save us some jack and I think to your

2725
03:39:43,620 --> 03:39:49,580
I think to your point Kevin if uh you know if we if we do max that out I don't think the citizens

2726
03:39:49,580 --> 03:39:59,130
are going to mind if yeah exactly yeah and again poke holes in it do whatever that was just kind

2727
03:39:59,130 --> 03:40:03,110
of the thought process I went through I would like to see just if you don't mind I'd like to see

2728
03:40:03,110 --> 03:40:09,590
those the numbers I had a number in my head total build-out population 43,000 you came up with 39,000

2729
03:40:09,590 --> 03:40:18,370
I'd just like to see that if you don't mind yeah my concern would be what happens in 20 years

2730
03:40:18,370 --> 03:40:23,250
and we get down there and we need more capacity but it's our other cities have

2731
03:40:23,250 --> 03:40:29,050
bought it up because we did. Doesn't that equal moratorium? If there's no more water

2732
03:40:29,050 --> 03:40:32,050
by I mean that's out of our control it seems.

2733
03:40:34,340 --> 03:40:36,880
And is that a bad thing? I don't

2734
03:40:36,880 --> 03:40:41,080
I think most of our current residents would say that's not a bad thing. Don't disagree

2735
03:40:41,080 --> 03:40:48,960
with that. Even if we had to go at 5,000 let's say at 4,500 you know put your panties

2736
03:40:48,960 --> 03:40:54,680
in a lot. Even if we had to go at 5,000, you know, I wonder what that savings would look

2737
03:40:54,680 --> 03:41:04,680
like. But I'm kind of with you. I don't see, you know, once we get 30,000, you know, I

2738
03:41:04,680 --> 03:41:10,620
don't see a moratorium on building as a necessarily a horrible thing. Likely, none of us are going

2739
03:41:10,620 --> 03:41:17,860
to be sitting up here then. Maybe Paul will be, but, you know, but I just don't see that

2740
03:41:17,860 --> 03:41:18,640
as a horrible thing.

2741
03:41:20,680 --> 03:41:25,060
Something I would be curious about is you see this legislation out there

2742
03:41:25,060 --> 03:41:34,560
that has, there's things in there that, where they can, the state can court order us to do stuff.

2743
03:41:35,080 --> 03:41:38,820
Then they're going to have to make, like, Travis a constant feel like, I mean, what's the solution?

2744
03:41:39,660 --> 03:41:41,320
Yeah, that would be my question.

2745
03:41:42,260 --> 03:41:48,280
Let them figure it out. Yeah, that never happens. Just like David and we just don't build.

2746
03:41:48,280 --> 03:41:51,200
We won't be the only community in that problem, though, in the predicament.

2747
03:41:52,240 --> 03:41:53,440
Valley, Valley, question.

2748
03:41:54,660 --> 03:42:03,620
If we can't resell it to another community, then I think Kevin's numbers are pretty close.

2749
03:42:05,340 --> 03:42:06,060
Yes, Kate?

2750
03:42:06,380 --> 03:42:08,400
Yeah, just a question.

2751
03:42:08,680 --> 03:42:17,580
It is potential growth in the ETJ and consideration of what we need to be building into this.

2752
03:42:17,580 --> 03:42:24,760
you know, back to an old subject we had earlier, there were proposals in the state legislature

2753
03:42:24,760 --> 03:42:30,840
this session that said that we would have to provide full city services to residents

2754
03:42:30,840 --> 03:42:31,580
in the ETA.

2755
03:42:32,120 --> 03:42:34,960
So, do we need to build that into our model?

2756
03:42:39,470 --> 03:42:44,210
So, reading through the document here, there's a process that they have in these contracts.

2757
03:42:44,210 --> 03:42:49,630
If you water, then you've allocated, or if you use more water, then you've been allocated,

2758
03:42:49,930 --> 03:42:50,090
right?

2759
03:42:50,090 --> 03:43:00,810
And so, in this scenario where the state tells us we have to provide water to ETJ and

2760
03:43:00,810 --> 03:43:10,050
LCRA tells it, sorry, we don't have water to give you, you know, it's a problem that's

2761
03:43:10,050 --> 03:43:11,830
beyond our ability to solve.

2762
03:43:12,450 --> 03:43:17,030
Well, what would happen is you would be forced to release them from the ETJ.

2763
03:43:17,770 --> 03:43:19,390
I've seen those bills in that.

2764
03:43:19,610 --> 03:43:25,070
And I thought the bill was automatic disanication if you weren't providing full services by

2765
03:43:25,070 --> 03:43:26,630
December 21st, 2023.

2766
03:43:26,870 --> 03:43:26,930
Right.

2767
03:43:27,110 --> 03:43:31,290
That's one bill, but there's another one regarding the ETAJ, and there are others like restricting

2768
03:43:31,290 --> 03:43:32,470
the size of the ETAJ.

2769
03:43:32,650 --> 03:43:32,890
But yeah.

2770
03:43:33,010 --> 03:43:33,090
Okay.

2771
03:43:33,350 --> 03:43:37,710
And so, not at the end of the world, from my perspective, some of the ETAJs get released.

2772
03:43:38,590 --> 03:43:43,850
I want to be clear, when I, two weeks ago, I was up on mine said that this was bad fiscal

2773
03:43:43,850 --> 03:43:45,490
policy to reserve this water.

2774
03:43:45,490 --> 03:43:51,210
When I looked at the numbers, the numbers are small enough that I didn't think that's a basis for the decision.

2775
03:43:51,670 --> 03:43:59,650
But I actually agree with your assertions, Devin, that the growth numbers that, you know, if we're at the 5500 level,

2776
03:43:59,870 --> 03:44:04,710
that's planning for a growth that is really problematic for other things.

2777
03:44:04,890 --> 03:44:09,810
And my bigger concern, you know, trying to stay within the scope of this, is not actually a water.

2778
03:44:10,210 --> 03:44:10,730
It's the roads.

2779
03:44:13,070 --> 03:44:28,270
So I actually am okay with us saying let's be more conservative and say 4,500 and if that means we have to start limiting LUEs and being more aggressive on development agreements.

2780
03:44:29,110 --> 03:44:31,390
That's not a terrible thing, not at all.

2781
03:44:31,390 --> 03:44:39,030
Well, the question of resale, I don't recall hearing the resolution on what our options

2782
03:44:39,030 --> 03:44:40,670
are with reselling the water.

2783
03:44:42,140 --> 03:44:42,810
It's an option.

2784
03:44:43,470 --> 03:44:48,310
It's a cumbersome process and LCRA is going to get their fingers in and review and approve

2785
03:44:48,310 --> 03:44:50,690
any resale agreement that you have.

2786
03:44:50,930 --> 03:44:51,070
Okay.

2787
03:44:51,290 --> 03:44:52,470
Thanks for reminding me.

2788
03:44:53,170 --> 03:44:57,730
Along those lines, you recommended that we not get in the business of reselling water

2789
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:11,880
Or the city, or is it really more because we don't want to have to dawdle with LCRA on that stuff? Or both? Both. Okay, figuring out who's responsible for getting it to what point?

2790
03:45:14,540 --> 03:45:21,680
There's a lot of contractual obligations that could interest the future and then down with LCRA and this just could just make it a mess.

2791
03:45:25,390 --> 03:45:27,110
Yeah, it's 20 years down the road.

2792
03:45:29,350 --> 03:45:31,810
I'm sure none of us will still be on council.

2793
03:45:31,810 --> 03:45:39,770
Thank you for arguing. Shoot me if I am. I'm already here 13 so yeah. That was

2794
03:45:39,770 --> 03:45:47,490
committee but still 13. I'm not gonna lie it. I think you think still here. I said

2795
03:45:47,490 --> 03:45:56,230
I thought it would be called anyway. Well, I just want to point something out. It's when it comes to

2796
03:45:56,230 --> 03:46:04,510
city cities or businesses and if you cease to grow you will the city will die. And everybody's like,

2797
03:46:04,510 --> 03:46:10,890
oh, hey, we don't have water or Bortorium. And this is great. This is love it. Well, you get to

2798
03:46:10,890 --> 03:46:16,530
the point in your city is not growing. And you're not keeping up with the inflation and all that.

2799
03:46:17,150 --> 03:46:22,890
City will die. You know, I've heard that. But I think back to like, where I grew up in San Antonio,

2800
03:46:22,890 --> 03:46:27,070
You know, there's there's all kinds of old neighborhoods out in the Heights, Castle Hills, Hollywood

2801
03:46:27,070 --> 03:46:33,450
Park, and they're thriving little towns, and they've maxed out all their lots that are

2802
03:46:33,450 --> 03:46:38,710
developed. And I think Paul made the real point, which is there's a lot of other concerns

2803
03:46:38,710 --> 03:46:43,230
if we get to that size. And that's my, you know, that's a big part of the reason why I think

2804
03:46:43,230 --> 03:46:50,010
this is a good thought process to go through. Yeah. I'm just throwing it out there. Yeah.

2805
03:46:50,010 --> 03:46:55,790
And none of us will be here won't be our problem, but we've at least planned for 20 years. That's pretty good

2806
03:47:04,870 --> 03:47:07,710
What we're just refreshed from what were we looking at last month?

2807
03:47:14,430 --> 03:47:20,190
65 is what you brought in two weeks ago, but in this packet you backed it down to recommend 55

2808
03:47:20,190 --> 03:47:24,930
five hundred. Correct. And 40 to the number Kevin just threw out which I

2809
03:47:26,050 --> 03:47:31,610
hear some head nods on as another hundred, another thousand below that 4500.

2810
03:47:34,300 --> 03:47:34,780
500.

2811
03:47:37,080 --> 03:47:38,340
Are you panicking with that?

2812
03:47:39,040 --> 03:47:40,400
Is he also, is he also decision?

2813
03:47:41,480 --> 03:47:43,840
Chandler's probably thinking he also won't be here in 20 years.

2814
03:47:47,240 --> 03:47:50,000
All right. Well, that's all the discussion. I entertain a motion.

2815
03:47:50,000 --> 03:47:53,200
and my screen went dark.

2816
03:47:53,480 --> 03:47:53,720
The

2817
03:47:56,700 --> 03:47:59,340
motion that we approve staff to move forward

2818
03:47:59,340 --> 03:48:00,880
with signing the agreement with the LCRA

2819
03:48:00,880 --> 03:48:04,260
and reserving 4,500 acre feet on an annual basis.

2820
03:48:04,720 --> 03:48:05,380
Just a second, then.

2821
03:48:06,480 --> 03:48:08,460
Do we have to state the number of years?

2822
03:48:09,240 --> 03:48:09,800
20 years.

2823
03:48:10,200 --> 03:48:11,180
I'm good with 20 years.

2824
03:48:11,900 --> 03:48:12,840
All right, what's that been?

2825
03:48:13,940 --> 03:48:16,000
All right, I have the motion and the second.

2826
03:48:16,980 --> 03:48:18,480
Any discussion on the motion?

2827
03:48:20,100 --> 03:48:21,460
All those in favor say aye.

2828
03:48:21,460 --> 03:48:25,000
All right, all those pose nay nay

2829
03:48:25,980 --> 03:48:28,080
Most you carry six to one I

2830
03:48:32,240 --> 03:48:35,520
will call this meeting adjourn at 10 25 p.m