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» Like to call this meeting to order,
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» Yeah, it is.
>> Yeah. Can you turn the volume up? Seems

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like it's really quiet.
Not too loud.

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Is that better? Okay. Good evening. I'd
like to call this meeting to order,

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please. Uh, it's September 24th. This is
the um

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October, no September 24th,
2026 meeting of the Lagouna Beach

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Unified School Board.
We're call to order at 609.

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Logan, can you please lead us in the
pledge of allegiance?

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» Absolutely.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the

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United States of America and to the
republic for which it stands, one nation

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under God, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all. Great. Thank you. We

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have no reportable action coming out of
close session. So, we're going to move

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quickly on to item number five, public
comments on items not on the agenda. Um,

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clerk Perry, do you have any speaker
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» Yes, I do.
>> Okay. Okay, if you have cards with

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student on them, please call them first
on each item and then go into the

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regular cards.
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» Okay, great. Thank you.
>> Okay, so I will call the first three.

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Alexandra Holtz, Heather Hansen, and
Harpal Sadal.

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» Hi, my name is Alexander Holtz and I've
been a high school teacher in the

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district for 12 years. I proudly serve
my union as our site representative and

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have served on the negotiations team for
four years as well. I was compelled to

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speak here tonight due to the
inflammatory remarks of President

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Morgan. At the September 10th meeting,
there was a conversation regarding

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compensation for employees. President
Morgan ranted at length about taxpayers

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finances and their buckets of money,
implying that staff should have to worry

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about their expenses and incomes like
others struggling in town. The

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implication of that was that negotiating
fair and just compensation for staff

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directly impacts taxpayers disposable
income. I'd like to clarify how that

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actually works. Property taxes are
collected from home owners. A portion of

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that goes to the school district. Budget
meetings determine how that money is

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allocated and from that a percentage of
for compensation is determined and then

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during negotiations we determine how to
divide that money between salary and

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benefits. At no point does our
compensation increase taxpayers

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financial responsibility. At no point
does our salary affect the amount of

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money our school receives from property
taxes. What then is the point of

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implying that our salary detracts from
taxpayers? In my assessment, the intent

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may be to pit working people against
working people to offer a scapegoat

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scapegoat for individuals material
conditions or to shame teachers into

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asking for less. to be quiet and be
grateful. Working people should be able

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to afford to live in Orange County and
teachers are part of that community. We

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are professionals with years of
experience and education. Many teachers

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cannot afford to live in Laguna on the
salaries we are paid, but that does not

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mean we deserve less. To clarify, all
homeowners in the state pay property

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taxes that go towards their local
schools. As a community funded district,

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we exceed LCFF targets and therefore do
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state. So while we might not pay
property taxes specifi that go

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specifically to our school district, we
pay towards our local schools wherever

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we reside. I will concede that we are
amongst the highest paid teachers in

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Orange County. I believe that our that
our compensation reflects what all

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teachers should make. In Orange County,
a single person household making

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$104,000
per year or less is considered low

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income. An income of $116,000
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person, while a moderate income for a
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per year. The average salary for a
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$158,000.
Most teachers in this district have

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families they provide for. Do we not
deserve moderate pay? Have we not worked

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hard enough to earn that? What we earn
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of the residents of this city. Property
tax assessment and allocations to our

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schools are determined by county
assessors, not by our negotiations team.

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Our salary affects internal bud district
budgeting. Full stop. I am proud to work

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alongside all of the employees in this
district, and I'm proud to serve my

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colleagues as a as the union site
representative. All staff deserve fair

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compensation. Teaching and supporting
students is not an easy job, but we love

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what we do and we deserve and we have
earned the ability to afford to live.

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Thank you.
Thank you, Alexandra.

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» Hi. Um, Heather Hansen. I teach at the
high school. Um, I wanted to thank Joan

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and Jim for your always thoughtful
leadership. And I wanted to thank Jim

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for articulating what it felt like for
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and listening to everything that Alex
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how much the board majority supports
staff and loves staff. Um, cuz that's

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not what it felt like. Um, and I, as a
history teacher, I appreciated that

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President Morgan said that multiple
things can be true at the same time, but

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we also cover in class that just saying
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think if the board majority continues to
say that they support staff and if

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teachers and staff overwhelmingly
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direction of this board majority and
overwhelmingly endorse a shift in

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governance, I think that this community
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» Thank you, Heather.

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Good evening. My name is Harpal Suddle.
I'm here tonight as a father primarily

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to address board member Howard Hills.
This past Tuesday, September 22nd,

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during an official governance committee
meeting, Howard, you made a remark that

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I found deeply inappropriate,
particularly because it was made in the

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presence of my daughter, Seama. Samia is
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representatives seated right here. At
hour one at 1 hour 33 minutes and 9

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seconds into the meeting. The discussion
turned to whether student board

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representatives should receive
compensation. You interrupted the

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discussion to say, "I really love this.
I've been wanting to have this

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discussion for 5 years. I'm really
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Others in the room shook their heads.
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Howard." And most everybody was deeply
uncomfortable in this moment. Howard,

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you may want to consider your remark a
harmless joke, but no, but words matter

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and context matters. And when an adult
serving in an official capacity makes a

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remark with an obvious sexual
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in the presence of a minor student, it's
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This was an official LBUSD meeting. You
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elected board member. you were on
district property and the discussion

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itself concerned student board
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minors.
My daughter was there to serve her

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school community to learn about
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perspective as a student. She should not
have to navigate inappropriate remarks

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from the very adults who are supposed to
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respect. I am now the second father of a
student student board representative who

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has felt compelled to come here before
this board to address the conduct of its

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members. In March, John Dabs stood here
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allegations concerning the independence
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So Howard, you have repeatedly called
for accountability and even censure when

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you believe your fellow board members
have acted inappropriately. So I ask

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you, what standard of conduct should
apply to you? I want to be absolutely

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clear. Our student board representatives
deserve to be treated with dignity and

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respect. They deserve to participate in
district governance without being made

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uncomfortable by the adults around them.
And they deserve to know that when a

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board member crosses a line, the adults
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address the behavior immediately.
Howard, I hope you will reflect on your

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words, acknowledge their impact, and
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apology. Thank you.

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» We're not clapping, please. Thank you.
We've come a long way. Let's not take a

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step back. Thank you.
>> Um, next, Ketta Brown and Lesie Elliot.

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» Good evening. Boy, am I glad the new
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needs agendas and recordings. And wow,
Howard stating in a room with parents,

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staff, and wait for it, a student that
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discussion was not just gross, it was
downright creepy. Add to that his oddly

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racist comment about blonde, blue-eyed
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And Sherry's musings about getting
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notes. Can't wait for episode two.

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Lesie Elliot. First time doing another
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family's long history of of protesting.
Here I am with my daughters at on

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January,
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Here we are at the uh what was it? March
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» it was the woman's march.
>> No, right. The first one was the woman's

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march. This is the the uh what was it?
March for our lives.

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Sarah in in uh New York, Lauren and
Graham in Washington DC, and Rob and I

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in San Francisco. So maybe because of
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Uh, and maybe because I was born in
Berkeley, people protest because they

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believe that something is wrong and want
their elected officials to listen.

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Parents and community members show up
showed up because of your actions. The

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tipping point was the removal of Dr.
Glass. And yes, we directed our

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criticism at the three trustees
responsible. Calling that bullying

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doesn't make it so. I'm glad parents
brought their children. Speaking up

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teaches children that their voices
matter and that they can question people

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in power. They're watching you, too. How
you treat staff, handle criticism, and

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respond to disagreement is all part of
that lesson. Your investigation's

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purpose was obvious. To cast individual
protesters and community group as an

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angry mob and rude, undisiplined kids.
to find someone to buy.

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» Lesley, excuse me. We do have this item
later on the agenda. If you'd like to

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wait and speak to it then or if you
speak to it now, I won't call you to

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speak to it the next time. So, I just
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» Yes. Because this is this is a little
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about the safety part.
>> Okay. The purpose of this. Okay. Can you

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please add time to her clock or let it
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» Okay. Uh to find someone to blame for
allegedly not giving D a path to enter

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and allegedly hurting D. The questions I
was asked I was asked by the

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investigators were 100% focused on
non-safety issues. D. Had I seen her

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fall? No. Did kids have inappropriate
signs? Yes, a couple. And was it

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different than any of the board meeting
at the other board meetings? Yes. You

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spent more than $15,000 trying to prove
the to the community and their children

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that we were a bunch of lawless thugs.
You and your colleagues pushed that

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narrative on social media. Now that the
report hasn't supported those

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accusations, you're pivoting and
describing the investigation as an

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exercise in safety and preparedness.
Want to improve safety? Great. Do it. If

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the district lack procedures for
handling protests, address that. Setting

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policy is your responsibility. But don't
expect us to forget the wild accusations

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you made and the chaos you caused.
Reframing the investigation as

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preparedness doesn't erase how you
portrayed the community. Peaceful

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doesn't mean silent. People can be
angry. They can speak loudly and

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criticize your decisions without being
bullies. You chose to run for school

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board. Listening to people tell you that
you're wrong comes with the job. That's

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not bullying. That's democracy.

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» Thank you. That's the last comment.

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Great. Thank you for those comments. Um,

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okay. We're moving on to item six, the
superintendent um action item, approval

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of board visioning goals. Dr. Austin
will reduce will introduce. Go ahead.

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» Give me one second. I'm just pulling
something up here.

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There we go.
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we are tonight um having round three of
our um visioning session. So, our our

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board goals are shaping up and we tried
to capture the feedback from the first

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two. Uh tonight, just to make it more
interesting and more fun, uh I have some

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guests here with us that'll be
presenting uh specific sections

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throughout the report. The full report
just for everybody is is attached and it

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has not only the paragraph goals that
you'll see projected in just a moment,

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but you'll see uh some of the uh metrics
that we plan to use and and uh some of

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the inputs and and uh hopefully on the
back end some outcomes. Uh each person

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tonight is only going to speak a minute
or so and we're not going through each

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bullet point. We asked each of them to
pick a pick a couple places of of

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emphasis and each of these uh guests
tonight has uh some real direct

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involvement expertise in the area that
they'll be presenting on tonight.

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So with that, let's start with Jennifer
Moss who's going to come up and and lead

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us through a piece of the Laguna
experience. that I will share before she

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starts that uh you know this this one
has evolved a little bit and it was

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actually a meeting with a couple parents
who came in to talk about their

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experience which really got us into this
idea of inclusion as part of part of the

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uh the total experience and and after
speaking with with Miss Moss thought

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she'd be the perfect person to lead us
through this piece. Jennifer, thank you.

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» Thank you Dr. Austin. Good evening um
President Morgan and board members. I'm

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speaking to the Lagona experience. The
Lagona experience goal reflects LBUSD's

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commitment to ensuring that every
student benefits from the distinctive

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opportunities available within our
schools in the broader Laguna Beach

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community. Building on a strong
foundation of student engagement,

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academic achievement, supportive
relationships, and community connected

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learning. The goal asks us to examine
more intentionally which opportunities

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each student actually experiences. The
key takeaways focus on four priorities.

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Building on our current strengths,
ensuring equitable access and

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participation,
creating an inclusive experience, and

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measuring the quality, reach, and impact
of these opportunities. Together, these

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priorities will move LBUSD from
identifying what is offered to ensuring

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that every student is connected,
challenged, supported, and included in

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the Laguna experience. We will build on
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meaningful learning. We know that LBUSD
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academic, artistic, athletic, civic,
service, leadership, outdoor, and

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community connected experiences. Current
student data reflects this strong

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foundation. 84% of our students report
engaging in relevant learning. 82%

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participate in challenging learning and
88% report having a trusted adult at

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school. Civic engagement is also growing
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the state seal of civic engagement.
We will also ensure that every student

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experiences the opportunities LBUSD has
to offer. The district will develop a K

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through2 Laguna experience map and
establish a participation index and

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examine participation for students
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and student groups. The key
accountability shift will be not what

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opportunities do we offer, but which
opportunities does each student actually

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experience.
We will create an inclusive Lagoon

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experience. Every student should feel
known, welcome, respected, and connected

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to the LBUSD community. The district
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participation and design programs,
facilities, learning environments, and

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community connected experiences that
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and needs. Specifically aligned with
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feasibility study to explore expanded
programming for our students with

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extensive support needs. The study will
examine options that could allow more

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students who are currently served
outside of the community to learn,

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participate, and build relationships in
Laguna Beach when appropriate to their

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individualized needs. We will also
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of the Lagona experience. The district
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attendance, feedback, and belonging data
to increase engagement, reduce gaps

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among students, and align resources and
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envisioned for every single student.

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» Before we transition, I want to repeat
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because we're both pretty excited about
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really want to look and see
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students back to Laguna Beach to serve
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sometimes if it's a a number so small
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we have to look at options. But we think
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bring students back here. And I just
didn't want that lost because that was

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kind of a nugget that was in there. And
look at her smile. Come on. She's she's

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happy. All right, we're going to move
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wellness, and digital balance. And uh
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here. But before he does, I would just
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Dr. Keller and and and the whole team
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in place has been pretty pretty
exciting. and and we still even with

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everything in place think that there are
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everyone has just been so receptive
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Dr. Keller you
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board president Morgan, members of the
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this evening. I'd like to highlight the
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balance goal. So, the board has been
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and strengthen a system of support
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our students and families. And I want to
honor the incredible team of experts

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that provide these services, including
our school counselors, our school social

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workers, school psychologists, teachers,
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and administrators who support this
foundational work. The mental health and

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wellness and digital balance goal builds
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ensuring that every student is known,
including their strengths, needs, hopes,

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and supporting their connections. It
calls us to support students in building

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healthy coping skills,
uh, instilling confidence, cultivating

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positive relationships that help them
thrive. There are multiple measures that

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stand out amongst the several that are
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we'll periodically review student
wellness data as an ongoing best

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practice. And we've done that for over
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measure student belonging, their
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resilience and access to trusted adults.
This helps guide our prevention work and

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ensures that we have robust timely
responses with qualified staff when new

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students need support.
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we'll be more intentional with students
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Unified. We're a close-knit community,
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entering an established community can
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want to support new families with
expanded opportunities to build new

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relationships, understand how to get
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community, and develop a strong sense of
belonging. Finally, the school calls us

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to promote age appropriate digital
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requiring requiring us to remain
vigilant and intentional

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um and useful using enriching technology
in our instructional design and

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supporting safeguards to reduce harm
wherever possible and increase human

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connection. Uh thank you for your
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» All right. Thank you, Dr. Keller.
>> Thank you, Dr. Keller. Um next we have

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growth, challenge and relevance for
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the internal working title on this is
you know the middle student but before

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Mr. Chris gets started I I do just want
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calling it the middle student has some
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that's clearly defined and I don't
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uh when we talk about middle middle
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student is getting C's. For some people
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enough. For some students it's um
they're not in an honors level and the

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level that they're in is not challenging
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to do a little deeper dive on what we're
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student. But that being said, uh we
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But I just think uh precision matters
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we've asked uh Mr. Andy Crisp to come
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of reasons. Um won a long career here at
Thirstston and now has a district lens

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uh district level lens in reach and I
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on this item. So Mr. Chris, thank you.
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focus in mostly on challenge and
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we want challenge both within courses
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we obviously want students building
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writing primarily. Um but around
thinking and working through hard

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challenging problems more generally. Um,
we want to continue to provide

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opportunities, uh, challenging
opportunities for things like the state

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seal of civic engagement at the high
school, uh, the cool program at

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Thirstston, and things like the fourth
grade gratitude project where kids are

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connecting with, uh, other kids around
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we obviously want to make sure that
we're reviewing any potential gaps

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between general ed course, general
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sequencing and articulation gaps across
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potential barriers for course
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provide opportunities for students
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student driven interests that there
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for. Um, but that dovetales into
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am most excited about as it relates to
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begun incorporating into our our seminal
professional development, which is unit

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design. And that's working with teachers
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experiences similar to what um, Miss
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assessment component in teacher units.
So, I learned recently that the Latin

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for the word assess is acid, which I'm
sure I did not say that right. Uh, I

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don't speak Latin, but that literally
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the roots of it mean to sit beside.

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We want to sit beside our students to
learn what motivates them and continue

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to provide opportunities for them to
give feedback to push our existing high

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relevance uh student feedback closer and
closer to 100% and to use that feedback

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to continue to drive decisions. But we
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members of the community to learn,
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and then use those experiences as an
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competencies as we work towards compet
competency based assessment. So um our

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coordinators are a huge uh important
part of this and finding connections

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with the community to make sure that our
teachers and students have those

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opportunities. Um but those are my focus
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» Thank you Mr.
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joking when we told you that you had to
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good job. All right. And next up,
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clarity. That one's mine. Um, already
starting work here. Um, we were able to

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work through some initial policies, had
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uh that'll be moving forward. also um
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really truly routine, some of which were
backlogged on are going to come directly

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to the board and that will come to the
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Weber goes through these and looks at
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same notes so we can start knocking off
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estimating somewhere in the 50s uh
50-ish policies that need a look and

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that the governance committee then can
take deeper dives on some of the bigger

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topics that have local uh implications.
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here. uh making things routine and open
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priorities. All right, Victoria. Next
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achievement and engagement. Before I
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say that uh uh my meetings with each of
the four principles has already provided

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evidence that they're taking it
seriously that they are building these

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goals not only into their their site
goals but their own personal uh goals as

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as principles and that will also become
part of their evaluation process uh

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which is the things that are measured
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they're already showing that they are
taking these great steps. I really

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appreciate that, Dr. Mayberry.
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appreciate about this goal the most is
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test score. We absolutely want strong
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But we also want students who have the
stamina, confidence, independence, and

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joy in reading and writing and and
communication literacy to engage with

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complex texts and communicate their
thinking clearly, whether that's through

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verbal or written expression. The
upcoming English language arts

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instructional materials adoption gives
us another valuable opportunity to

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examine this examine this work
comprehensively at across K12. It also

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allows us to clarify what students
should know and be able to do at key

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transition points.
uh while ensuring their reading and

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writing experiences become increasingly
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appropriate.
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explicit writing instruction and the
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writing is not solely the responsibility
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Students should have meaningful
opportunities to write, reason, revise,

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and communicate across all subject
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developing engaged and empowered
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Mary, thank you very much. Uh, next,
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And as Alexis Carol is coming to the
mic, uh you'll have another opportunity

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to hear from her. Uh I believe it's our
next board meeting uh where she'll be

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able to outline more about uh her work
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Alexis, thank you for coming tonight and
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» Good evening. As I step into my new role
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visual and performing arts. so
prominently represented in these goals,

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especially knowing that we have such a
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Our annual stakeholder survey supports
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students expressing positive or neutral
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arts opportunities.
Something that really resonates with me

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here is the shift from asking what
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opportunities does each student actually
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We already have many wonderful arts
opportunities across our schools. Our

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work now is to look at how those
experiences connect across grade levels

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and school sites, ensuring broad access
for all students while also

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strengthening pathways for students who
want to deepen their skills through

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advanced opportunities that reflect the
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And we have an incredible advantage here
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working artists, arts organizations, and
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arts.
I'm excited to continue strengthening

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those connections so we can create more
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from and work alongside the artists and
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I'll have an opportunity to share more
about our VAP programs and the work

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we're doing at the October 8th meeting.
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see visual and performing arts reflected
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» Alexis, thank you.
>> Um, that concludes our presentation for

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tonight. Uh at this time, Miss Morgan,
we we will uh take take the feedback

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from the board and then if you reach a
place where you feel that you're ready

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to vote tonight, that's great. And if
you would like as a group to bring it

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back, we can do that also.
>> Great. Okay. Thank you for that

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instruction and thank you or the
direction and thank you so much for the

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great presentation. Um
very excited. Okay. Uh let's start with

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um board questions. I'll start with Dr.
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No questions. Okay, Dr. Kelly.
>> No. Okay. Dr. Meski,

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» question.
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» I just wondered if if we were able to
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What would you like to add?
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» Oh yeah, I received your email today. Uh
if you why don't you if you can share

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that with the group, it'd be great. And
then that's easy to add and and to

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President Morgan. Um when we're done
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light editing, whatever it might be, uh
you at the end can move to approve with

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00:33:39,760 --> 00:33:47,919
the revisions. So, we're happy to do
that. Do you have that in front of you?

420
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:53,519
» Yeah, I do now. Um Okay. Yeah, just a
small part for um Lagouna Beach Unified

421
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:59,760
School District will preserve and
strengthen a coherent TK to2 visual and

422
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:06,159
performing arts program that provides
broad student access, advanced

423
00:34:02,320 --> 00:34:11,520
opportunities, strong public visibility,
adherence to California art standards,

424
00:34:09,359 --> 00:34:16,000
and meaningful connections with Laguna
Beach's art community. And then the rest

425
00:34:13,839 --> 00:34:19,399
all the same.
>> We have it.

426
00:34:22,240 --> 00:34:27,520
» Thank you. Do we have any further
questions about I know we're going to

427
00:34:25,919 --> 00:34:31,760
come back after we do public comment.
We'll come back around for com for

428
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:38,960
comments. Okay. Because this is um an an
emotion if we want. Um Mr. Hills.

429
00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:42,879
No comments. Okay. I just had a couple
real quick ones on um since we were on

430
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:47,040
the visual and performing arts and I
think Alexis did a great job of of

431
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:51,440
hitting on this as far as or you know as
far as students having access outside of

432
00:34:49,679 --> 00:34:56,960
you know if they're on a math pathway
they have access to music or because

433
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:59,760
music is a foundation of math right or
math is a foundation of music. I guess I

434
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:03,599
said that backwards. So, I was just
wondering if on and I don't know if it's

435
00:35:01,359 --> 00:35:08,720
different um if it's necessary, but on
page 21 where you have the paragraph of

436
00:35:06,720 --> 00:35:14,000
visual and performing arts, could we add
outside of the pathway? Is that even

437
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:19,839
makes sense to include to focus to
ensure that we're focusing on, you know,

438
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:23,280
non theater arts? I mean, it's in the
presentation, but it wasn't in the

439
00:35:21,839 --> 00:35:26,160
final.
>> I Yes, I I think I understand exactly

440
00:35:25,440 --> 00:35:28,960
what you're saying.
>> You know what I'm trying to say and

441
00:35:27,359 --> 00:35:36,040
struggling with a little bit. Okay.
>> Easy easy addition.

442
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:36,040
» Great. Okay. Thank you. Um, and then

443
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:45,200
I think in the same thing and I think it
was just as I was reading through the

444
00:35:43,839 --> 00:35:49,839
report and then I was reading towards
the end um, reading and writing um,

445
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:54,720
because we talked again about having it
be consistent across

446
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:58,720
different subjects as well as vertically
and I think it's in the bullet bulleted

447
00:35:57,359 --> 00:36:01,839
items but I don't know if we need to
include it in the paragraph afterwards

448
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:06,880
because I'm not sure what's appearing.
ing where so that's the only reason why

449
00:36:03,760 --> 00:36:11,359
I'm mentioning it um I am grateful thank
you for the student that's a comment so

450
00:36:08,240 --> 00:36:16,320
I'll wait um do we on the digital
balance is this an item that we need to

451
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:20,880
have an involvement with governance
because we don't have we have been

452
00:36:18,240 --> 00:36:24,640
working on the ro on the we did a
resolution for screen time but I don't

453
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:30,560
think we've addressed the policy and
then we have the whole AI and I mean

454
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:35,200
certainly we're
addressing it, but I don't know that we

455
00:36:32,560 --> 00:36:38,960
are as in front of it as as a lot of
other districts across the country or

456
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:42,240
even in our state. And I'm not trying to
race to get something just so it's in

457
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:46,400
there, but I'm wondering if we need to
include that where we need to build

458
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:53,119
build on our policies.
>> Um, I believe there's an expectation

459
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:57,520
that those items are policy items. Uh,
so there's different components to it.

460
00:36:55,440 --> 00:37:01,839
There's a parent involved uh parent
education, student education, working

461
00:36:59,599 --> 00:37:07,920
with teachers and then there's an actual
policy uh piece. I would expect that to

462
00:37:05,200 --> 00:37:13,240
come uh through the through the
governance committee andor full board.

463
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:20,560
» I just same thing on this this paragraph
part from where we come from the

464
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:25,680
bulleted items on the Luna experience.
Um I think it's the third sentence. Uh,

465
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:28,640
every LBSU student will experience a
school environment that is joyful,

466
00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:33,119
connected, challenging, creative,
welcoming, inclusive, and reflective of

467
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:36,480
the distinct character of Laguna Beach.
All students will be treated with

468
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:39,440
dignity and respect. We say every in the
beginning, but I would love to have all

469
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:43,839
there. So, we just continue to
re-emphasize that what we're asking for

470
00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:48,200
is for all students. Just it's just
repetitive emphasis.

471
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,119
I think those are my only questions, but
thank you. And observations, thank you.

472
00:37:57,359 --> 00:38:03,920
And I think I got all those in my
original questions, but uh I appreciate

473
00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:08,119
the time. Okay, let's move to public
comment. Uh Clerk Perry,

474
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:16,359
» I'm sorry. No, go ahead.
>> My apologies.

475
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:34,160
when we're looking at the mental
balance. Um I and that sense of

476
00:38:30,240 --> 00:38:37,280
belonging. What I hear from students is
that it's really important that they

477
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:41,359
have a friend and a lot of them don't
feel they have a friend. they they may

478
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:47,680
feel like they have an adult they can go
through to, but I would love it if we

479
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:52,560
put something in here where you check to
see if they had a friend.

480
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:58,000
So, I think that's I don't know exactly
how that would fit, but from a number of

481
00:38:55,760 --> 00:39:04,560
students I've talked to, that's where
they just feel lonely and alone.

482
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:10,800
» Certainly. Um, that's an easy addition.
Um, along those lines, Dr. Keller and I

483
00:39:07,119 --> 00:39:17,359
have talked and just foreshadow a tiny
shift. Um the idea of asking is do you

484
00:39:14,079 --> 00:39:21,920
have a caring adult also shifting to is
there an adult who believes that you're

485
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:27,440
going to be successful and we thought
that's just a it's a it's a different

486
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:35,160
it's a gets it a different thing. So
your addition easy no problem.

487
00:39:31,599 --> 00:39:35,160
» Thank you very much.

488
00:39:39,119 --> 00:39:43,400
Yes,
>> Ka Brown.

489
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:54,000
» Great goals. So well done. So well
executed. Well, we hope it's well

490
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:58,240
executed. Please make sure you keep this
particular goal somewhere for quick

491
00:39:55,599 --> 00:40:02,079
reference. Sherry Howard and D. LBUSD
will maintain a governance framework

492
00:40:00,240 --> 00:40:08,520
through which the board establishes
direction and staff implements that

493
00:40:05,520 --> 00:40:08,520
direction.

494
00:40:10,079 --> 00:40:18,320
» Thanks. That's it for this one.
>> That's the only comments. Okay, let's go

495
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:21,839
back to So, um staff is looking for
direction on if we'd like to approve

496
00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:26,160
this as it is or if we want to bring it
back again. Um, but let's start with um,

497
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:30,160
so I would need a motion for that, but I
want to start with board comments. Let's

498
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:35,920
start with the student board reps. Any
any further comments on the goals of the

499
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:42,520
district? No. Okay. Um, Dr. Kelly.
>> Okay. Member Hills,

500
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:42,520
» Dr. Monteski,

501
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:49,079
» I agree. I think it's very well done.

502
00:40:53,599 --> 00:41:00,560
Um to Keta's point, uh these are
excellent goals. I appreciate you all

503
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:04,319
the hard work that you all did on this
and I appreciate you all coming in. Uh

504
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:06,640
this is something that as Dr. Austin
pointed out has been in the works and

505
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:11,040
something we've been trying to bring
forward for the last two years and um

506
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:15,839
I'm
super excited for um the swiftness of

507
00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:19,200
which you were able to capture what has
been discussed over the last two years

508
00:41:17,119 --> 00:41:21,839
and desired by this board to for our
students and for the direction of our

509
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:27,280
district. And so I appreciate you. So
thank you very much.

510
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:32,079
And I think with the Yep. Okay. I think
that's it. So do we have a motion to

511
00:41:29,119 --> 00:41:35,040
approve the goals uh as presented or as
revised?

512
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:42,000
Okay. All in favor? Roll call vote.
Student provisional vote first.

513
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:46,880
» Yes.
>> Okay. Yeah. Okay. Jim,

514
00:41:45,280 --> 00:41:50,160
» Howard?
>> Yes. Okay. Dr. Macheski,

515
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:51,359
» yes.
>> Dean,

516
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:55,839
» yes.
>> Okay. I vote yes. Thank you very much,

517
00:41:53,040 --> 00:42:01,040
Dr. Austin. Well done.
Okay. Uh let's move on to item seven.

518
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:04,880
Sup. This is another superintendent
item. school board meeting safety and

519
00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:10,680
preparedness preparedness information
and discussion.

520
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,680
Dr. Dr. Austin.

521
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:17,240
» All right.
See, can we get our slide?

522
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:25,960
I have a lengthy presentation.
It's one slide.

523
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,960
Um,

524
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:33,680
you know,
it's a topic we've talked a lot about

525
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:39,839
with with our team and a couple things
just framing this up. Um, as our team

526
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:43,920
looked at this and and went through the
report as well,

527
00:42:42,240 --> 00:42:49,920
um,
our lens is on

528
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:55,599
the extraordinary events, the nights and
like while there's a lot of attention on

529
00:42:52,880 --> 00:43:03,040
on this particular one,
um, I've been here when we had other big

530
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:08,240
ones and and had to move locations and
had

531
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:14,000
had some spirited conversations.
Um

532
00:43:10,160 --> 00:43:19,520
the time to plan for these things
is when they're not happening.

533
00:43:16,880 --> 00:43:25,119
And so the recommendations from the
report are the only thing that we're

534
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:28,400
going to present on tonight. Um there
are a couple things that aren't in the

535
00:43:26,319 --> 00:43:34,800
recommendations though. And and one
thing that's not in the recommendation I

536
00:43:30,319 --> 00:43:41,520
believe is the biggest thing and that is
if it is known that there is going to be

537
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:47,040
a different size crowd than a standard
crowd.

538
00:43:44,319 --> 00:43:52,560
the step that just got missed and and
and just so everyone knows I've had this

539
00:43:49,920 --> 00:43:59,280
discussion with our full team and and
checked for my understanding because I

540
00:43:54,880 --> 00:44:05,119
wasn't here and and nobody disputes this
that for a variety of reasons

541
00:44:02,240 --> 00:44:08,319
there was no all hands on deck stop
everything you're doing let's get

542
00:44:06,720 --> 00:44:11,839
everybody in the room and talk through
everything that we might want to

543
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:17,760
consider
in my estimation that's the most

544
00:44:14,319 --> 00:44:21,280
important thing that has to happen. Um,
you you just bring the group together.

545
00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:26,000
You bring you bring the staff together
when you know or when you suspect.

546
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:33,440
And in my opinion, you plan for the
worst. You plan for everything to be the

547
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:38,560
worst it can be. And you plan for that.
And then a lot of those things that

548
00:44:35,839 --> 00:44:43,359
might have happened don't. And more
often than not, it ends up a lot better

549
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:46,480
than it could have.
So, out of all the recommendations,

550
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:52,720
that's going to be my only editorial
comment is is that um you know, I think

551
00:44:50,800 --> 00:44:56,079
the entire team knows it doesn't have to
be the superintendent to to make that

552
00:44:54,480 --> 00:45:01,760
recommendation that we pull everyone
together. Um if I'm here, I'd certainly

553
00:44:58,960 --> 00:45:05,839
do it, but anyone can do it. Get
together, brainstorm.

554
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:09,440
Otherwise, I'm not going to read the
bullets. If people are interested, have

555
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:13,119
read the reports. They're up on the
screen right now. We don't have to go

556
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:20,240
one by one. I'm sure there's going to be
questions uh questions and um and

557
00:45:17,359 --> 00:45:25,040
suggestions. We're going to take notes
as we go. Happy to respond as as we can,

558
00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:29,520
but I think this is really going to be a
board discussion with with public

559
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:33,680
comment. That's all I have.
>> Great. Thank you. Um, okay. I want to

560
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:36,640
start. So, I think what we'd like to
because I understand this could be a

561
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:42,480
very contentious topic, but I think
we're trying to stay focused um on the

562
00:45:39,599 --> 00:45:45,760
report and uh the recommendations. Um
I'm going to go through and ask have

563
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:49,599
everyone if you have any questions.
Okay? And then we'll go to board comment

564
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:53,280
or to public comment and then we'll come
back through for board discussion. I

565
00:45:51,359 --> 00:45:58,240
would like everyone to keep in mind um
civility and let people speak. Don't

566
00:45:55,520 --> 00:46:02,640
interrupt and wait to be recognized.
Thank you. Student board reps.

567
00:46:00,880 --> 00:46:08,000
» The students have no questions at this
time.

568
00:46:04,720 --> 00:46:11,960
» Great. Thank you, Dr. Kelly.
>> Okay. Member Hills.

569
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:24,240
» What's the status of the schools campus
uh camera videos? Have they been made

570
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:29,920
available to the public?
the videos that have been requested have

571
00:46:27,119 --> 00:46:36,079
been uh provided. Yes.
>> So, uh just make sure that I understand

572
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:39,599
something based on uh statements that
have been made in previous meetings

573
00:46:37,839 --> 00:46:44,720
about this.
Is it correct that or am I recalling it

574
00:46:42,079 --> 00:46:50,319
correctly that the principal advised
that he turned the campus over to the

575
00:46:47,839 --> 00:46:54,640
police at some point to sort of take
over because there was a transition from

576
00:46:52,160 --> 00:47:01,119
it being the school day when that it was
basically a school campus and then it

577
00:46:57,359 --> 00:47:05,920
became the site of a public meeting and
because of the fact that there was

578
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:10,640
anticipated demonstration that he if I
recall what he correctly if I call

579
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:14,319
recall correctly what he He then turned
the campus over to the police. Did I

580
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:18,240
hear that right?
>> I believe the and I have some other

581
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:22,640
people here that might weigh in on this.
Um

582
00:47:20,800 --> 00:47:29,680
there was a question about at what point
in time would the school no longer be

583
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:37,359
just a school becomes a civic center.
And he gave the time of 3:30.

584
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:42,000
» Right. Um, that's a I know this isn't
probably the purpose of your question,

585
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:46,720
but that's a great example
of personally I don't believe the site

586
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:50,960
principal should have been put in the
position to make that determination. He

587
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:54,800
did and I I don't think there was any
harm in it, but that's a that's a great

588
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:59,119
example. That should have been a whole
team sitting together having that

589
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:02,960
conversation.
>> Uh, yeah, I agree with the second part

590
00:48:01,839 --> 00:48:09,680
of your statement. And I don't agree
with the first part of it. Um uh I don't

591
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:14,480
think it was a good decision, but um it
having been made, I just want to confirm

592
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:23,200
that it was made because it has a lot of
implications down the road um looking at

593
00:48:17,839 --> 00:48:30,880
this. Um so what is the status of those
videos um that were made by the school

594
00:48:26,079 --> 00:48:36,160
cameras? because as as of 3:30,
if I understand it correctly, that would

595
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:45,040
mean that uh the the Brown Act
provisions that protect the right of um

596
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:51,280
the public and the right of people at
the meeting to videotape, photograph,

597
00:48:48,240 --> 00:48:53,920
and record whatever is taking place. And
you know, there's been some

598
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:59,119
misunderstanding. And I have a legal
memorandum from our council right now

599
00:48:56,079 --> 00:49:04,880
about um accusations that were made
previously that somebody on the board

600
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:09,440
had released uh student private
information and that the rights of

601
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:14,160
students were being violated. One of the
points that the council makes is that

602
00:49:11,520 --> 00:49:20,720
under the Brown Act, the district is
prohibited by law to interfere with

603
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:24,000
anybody's photograph uh or filming or
recording of anything that takes place

604
00:49:22,319 --> 00:49:29,280
in a board meeting. In other words,
there is no right of privacy. There is

605
00:49:26,319 --> 00:49:33,520
no protection for um differentiating
between adults, children, or what

606
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:38,960
anything else. if you're in a public
meeting, as I understand what the Brown

607
00:49:35,839 --> 00:49:44,160
Act says, um, uh, that's a public
setting and there's no restriction. And

608
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:48,000
so I'm just wondering if that Brown Act
rule that prohibits the board or the

609
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:52,800
district from interfering with
recordings in a public meeting, whether

610
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:57,440
that would apply to the campus at the
point where it had been turned over at

611
00:49:54,720 --> 00:50:03,119
3:30 to the police. So that any
recordings that were made on the stool

612
00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:10,240
school camera after 3:30 would be
unrestricted and would be basically um

613
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:16,960
any the normal school day require uh
restrictions on recording or whatnot. Uh

614
00:50:14,000 --> 00:50:21,440
uh would basically ended at 3:30 would
be kind of a logical way of you looking

615
00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:28,400
at it.
Um yes, that is our interpretation as

616
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:33,920
well. And additionally um you may have
seen or everyone may have seen to make

617
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:38,559
that very clear to everyone. We now have
large posted signs that our our

618
00:50:36,559 --> 00:50:43,200
information department put outside to
just make sure everyone understands if

619
00:50:40,240 --> 00:50:46,480
you're here for a public meeting. Um,
the actual kind of technical way of

620
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:51,040
saying it is there should be no
expectation of privacy, meaning that you

621
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:55,040
can be you can be filmed.
>> And I think that's really important to

622
00:50:52,640 --> 00:51:01,280
get that out because we had a couple
instances last year where um uh there

623
00:50:59,599 --> 00:51:06,240
was concern about who was taking
pictures of who and whatnot. And the

624
00:51:04,240 --> 00:51:11,440
reason why what you just said is so
important and that why I asked the

625
00:51:08,319 --> 00:51:17,119
question is that parents need to protect
their kids. Um if you're going to bring

626
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:23,359
kids to a meeting where there's no
brighter privacy for the kids, the

627
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:26,960
adults involved need to um make sure
that like some people tonight expressed

628
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:29,599
the fact that they thought it was great
that the kids saw everything that the

629
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,680
kids saw.
>> Keep it to questions and we'll come back

630
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:35,839
for comments.
>> Okay.

631
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:41,839
» Thank you. Um, so the the the point is
that the importance of my question and

632
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:46,800
I'm commenting on your answer and that
is that it's really important that

633
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:52,200
adults keep kids safe when there's an
event like that where there's no

634
00:51:48,319 --> 00:51:52,200
protection and no privacy.

635
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:03,359
Do
>> you have any further questions? Thank

636
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:09,319
you, Dr. Meski.
questions at this time.

637
00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:09,319
» Thank you, member. Um, clerk Perry.

638
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:19,280
» So, maybe I maybe I didn't look at this
carefully, but I I didn't think I had

639
00:52:16,319 --> 00:52:23,880
access to all of these
videos. I do.

640
00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:36,640
» So, all all of the thirst and videos.
Okay, thanks. And all of the screenshots

641
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:40,319
and the videos from private cameras.
>> Okay, thank you.

642
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:44,800
» Who Who's answering the question?
>> Somebody from the community.

643
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:48,160
» Can we confirm that? I just not that I
don't believe, but I think for all

644
00:52:46,720 --> 00:52:52,079
intents of purposes, it would be good
for staff to have to appro to

645
00:52:51,200 --> 00:52:57,000
» Yes, those are all
>> reaffirm what you just said.

646
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:57,000
» They're all available. Yes.

647
00:53:02,559 --> 00:53:07,440
So is your question are the three videos
that are in the report included in the

648
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:10,400
Google Drive with that which I think the
answer is yes but then you're also

649
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:14,319
asking are all of the rest of the videos
in the drive as well and the question

650
00:53:11,839 --> 00:53:18,119
and the answer to that is also yes I've
not looked at that drive recently

651
00:53:18,240 --> 00:53:25,520
» I have not looked at the drive um and
the person that can answer that question

652
00:53:22,720 --> 00:53:29,920
had to step out so I'm I'm sorry I will
get you a confirmed answer when I can is

653
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:34,599
my understanding though that everything
that we have is publicly available

654
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:43,520
and clerk Perry if if I am wrong about
that I will correct that. Okay,

655
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:47,040
» thank you very much.
>> Thank you. Um any other questions? No.

656
00:53:45,839 --> 00:53:50,160
Okay, that was actually one of my
questions because I have not looked at

657
00:53:48,480 --> 00:53:56,400
that. And so before I went back in, I
was going to ask if all of the items

658
00:53:52,240 --> 00:54:00,640
that are listed um
in the investigation are included in

659
00:53:58,559 --> 00:54:04,800
that drive. So, thank you for for that
and I'll I'll check it out, too. And if

660
00:54:02,559 --> 00:54:08,960
there's not, so thank you. Um I had a
couple more questions. Um do we have

661
00:54:06,960 --> 00:54:13,200
information on how far the public space
for the board meeting extends? Is it the

662
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:17,119
entire campus and the parking lot or is
it a 50- foot perimeter around the

663
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:22,640
library or how does it how is it
determined what

664
00:54:19,839 --> 00:54:28,559
area becomes the civic center where a
public meeting can be held? Is it a time

665
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:32,240
issue or is it also a location issue?
I think it's a fair question. It it it's

666
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:37,440
splitting hairs a little bit though.
Once a once a site becomes available as

667
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:43,280
a civic center, I would call it the
entire site. Otherwise,

668
00:54:40,480 --> 00:54:47,520
um I don't know how we would be able to
distinguish between what's allowed and

669
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:52,800
not allowed if we're dividing that up.
So, I I can say on that particular

670
00:54:50,720 --> 00:54:58,960
night, the determination was the entire
site was a civic center at 3:30.

671
00:54:56,720 --> 00:55:03,440
» Okay. And then I wanted to follow up
with that because I and one of the

672
00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:09,680
reasons why I asked that question is um
for a couple following questions. Um

673
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:14,400
what protocols? So as we're looking at
this uh these recommendations,

674
00:55:12,240 --> 00:55:19,760
do you believe that there are or do you
feel that there are substantial

675
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:27,640
recommendations to identify the process
of transitioning from a public space

676
00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:27,640
from a school ground to a public space?

677
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:36,079
No, I think the recommendations are
largely silent on that piece about a

678
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:39,400
transition from um a public school to a
civic center.

679
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:48,640
» Okay. So, I asked that question because
I'm curious as to how we help our

680
00:55:45,200 --> 00:55:54,319
students understand the difference.
I'm pretty sure

681
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:58,559
or I shouldn't I that would be a comment
but I'm there's I'm I would like to know

682
00:55:56,720 --> 00:56:00,799
how we are identifying the difference
and if we aren't that's fine that would

683
00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:03,599
just be something that we need to
include in the recommendation because

684
00:56:02,079 --> 00:56:08,160
the qu the fact that the question comes
up helps identify what other things we

685
00:56:06,640 --> 00:56:13,280
need to re what we need to identified
for recommendations.

686
00:56:10,319 --> 00:56:18,960
» Sure. I I think it's going to be at some
point in this conversation if we get to

687
00:56:17,119 --> 00:56:24,240
um
trying to look for the what which number

688
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:30,400
it is, but the idea of moving the site
if we're anticipating a large group

689
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:34,400
might make that that question moot and
um it would just be determined we'd go

690
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:39,680
to somewhere that doesn't have that same
issue.

691
00:56:36,799 --> 00:56:43,720
» Okay. Thank you. And then um I think the
last one I had uh

692
00:56:45,280 --> 00:56:52,000
no I had a couple more. Um
so assuming it's so knowing that it's

693
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:58,400
the entire campus that turns into a
civic area, how does our board policy

694
00:56:55,200 --> 00:57:03,760
3515 which is campus safety come into
play? So there's also um ED code that um

695
00:57:02,160 --> 00:57:07,680
32280
that outlines all of the details of like

696
00:57:05,599 --> 00:57:13,520
law enforcement, our security pro plans
which obviously are not part of of this

697
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:19,280
discussion. But these these policies
outline campus security site level um

698
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:24,240
plans and um as well as entire
institutional plans for the whole

699
00:57:20,559 --> 00:57:30,559
district. So how I'm concerned because
the report did not re did not reference

700
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:34,000
3515. So, I'm just curious if that was
if that would be I mean, I don't know if

701
00:57:32,319 --> 00:57:37,760
you can answer this, but having that be
part of the consideration as we develop

702
00:57:35,680 --> 00:57:41,599
these this these recommendations would
be campus security being brought in

703
00:57:39,359 --> 00:57:46,559
because if it goes from being a school
to a public, but it's on our campus.

704
00:57:44,000 --> 00:57:51,920
It's it's a civic center, but it is
still district property. So, I think

705
00:57:49,040 --> 00:57:56,880
that there's nuances there that I I'm I
have concern that it's going to be this

706
00:57:54,319 --> 00:58:00,720
gray area regardless, and I'm trying to
find paths and questions to help us

707
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:04,559
delineate that so that it's a little bit
more black and white. So, there's not so

708
00:58:02,799 --> 00:58:08,640
much debate over is it allowed, is it
not allowed, what is this? There's too

709
00:58:07,119 --> 00:58:12,319
I'm trying to put some of these things
to rest so that we can keep moving

710
00:58:10,240 --> 00:58:16,400
forward in a positive direction. And so
this gray area of of how do we uphold

711
00:58:14,559 --> 00:58:19,839
policy if it's a becomes a civic center
but it's actually our campus and our

712
00:58:18,400 --> 00:58:24,559
property. So those are just some
questions that I have about the report.

713
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:26,079
» Okay. I think I'm going to have to think
through that a little bit.

714
00:58:25,520 --> 00:58:33,200
» Fair enough.
>> Um the the one thing it is pretty clear

715
00:58:29,680 --> 00:58:38,720
in my head is the responsibility would
shift from a site principal if it were a

716
00:58:36,880 --> 00:58:42,400
school site
to the district that manages a board

717
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:45,839
meeting. I I don't think it's fair to
have a site principal be in charge of

718
00:58:44,640 --> 00:58:49,119
that piece.
>> So that would be something great to have

719
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:52,799
clarified, right? Because I think that's
also part of it was one of the questions

720
00:58:50,640 --> 00:58:55,839
is when did it get turned over? And so
if we and then who was in charge? So if

721
00:58:54,480 --> 00:59:00,079
we have that clarity, I think that would
really help.

722
00:58:56,559 --> 00:59:05,520
» Um so thank you for that. Um and then um
I think the last one was based on

723
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:09,040
reviewing the district's agreement. I
think it's number five and protocols

724
00:59:06,960 --> 00:59:12,799
with local law enforcement. Um, that's
one that I would like to have that I

725
00:59:10,799 --> 00:59:17,520
would like to request comes back with a
little bit more um depth because I know

726
00:59:15,119 --> 00:59:22,319
we've talked about theou with the um
SRO's in the city and it's came back and

727
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:26,640
has continued this year because we
didn't have we our meetings kept getting

728
00:59:24,880 --> 00:59:30,480
cancelled. Um, but this is a really
important topic uh because one of the

729
00:59:28,480 --> 00:59:34,240
items in the in the contract states that
the police officers up will not take

730
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:40,079
direction from the board or the board
president, whoever it is, but they will

731
00:59:37,599 --> 00:59:44,960
uphold the district's policies,
procedures, and and ed code. So again,

732
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:49,040
we have this interesting situation
because if we have a situation where

733
00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:54,480
someone needs to be removed
for various reasons,

734
00:59:51,839 --> 00:59:57,599
how do we how how do we approach that?
Right? This is a public setting. We have

735
00:59:56,079 --> 01:00:01,200
an agreement with our law law
enforcement there, but they won't help

736
00:59:59,119 --> 01:00:05,920
uphold the policies during a meeting.
So, what that role of the SRO's becomes,

737
01:00:03,839 --> 01:00:10,400
I know they're not in our meetings at
this point anymore unless they're giving

738
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:15,040
a report, but they're a valuable asset
to our students and a valuable asset on

739
01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:18,720
campus. they they come to games and
things like that, but how do we

740
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:22,240
delineate that? That if it's not if the
policies that we put in place are not

741
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:26,480
going to be upheld in this room or
whatever room is the boardroom, what is

742
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:30,960
our plan? So, I would like to see
something like that.

743
01:00:28,480 --> 01:00:35,520
Okay.
Yeah. Because I guess whose role is it

744
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:42,280
to remove someone
>> is the question.

745
01:00:37,839 --> 01:00:42,280
» Additional question. Um,

746
01:00:45,119 --> 01:00:49,920
I think that's my last question. I think
my last comment on the last part was

747
01:00:48,160 --> 01:00:54,160
just a matter of how we can't pick and
choose, right? And I think that's that

748
01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:56,640
to create more problems as well if we
start picking and choosing when we have

749
01:00:55,440 --> 01:01:00,720
protection or when we uphold our
policies and when we don't. So, thank

750
01:00:58,079 --> 01:01:06,480
you. Go ahead, Howard. Thanks. Um, I'm
I'm going to touch upon this when we

751
01:01:03,359 --> 01:01:11,280
make comments, but I did want to just
pose a preliminary question about it.

752
01:01:09,359 --> 01:01:16,960
at the point where the site
administrator

753
01:01:12,880 --> 01:01:24,160
um turned the campus over to the police.
The police were here. Um I was here

754
01:01:21,680 --> 01:01:29,760
» 15 minutes before the campus was turned
over. Um

755
01:01:27,599 --> 01:01:33,200
what then is the role of the site
administrator after he's turned it over

756
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:42,960
to the police? what is the role of the
police after they've taken the con and

757
01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:47,359
and have um control uh because um I
think what I witnessed was that both the

758
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:52,400
site administrator and the police were
making decisions about how to respond to

759
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:56,799
what was occurring. So there's a chain
of command issue. um if the site

760
01:01:55,359 --> 01:02:03,040
administrator turned it over to the
police and the site administrator

761
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:07,680
continued to consult with um protesters
and consult with the police and and make

762
01:02:05,599 --> 01:02:14,880
decisions and give direction to
activities that were taking place which

763
01:02:09,599 --> 01:02:21,760
I observed um and the police did nothing
essentially um until um after uh there

764
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:26,400
were some incidents. So would you agree
that um there's a chain of command

765
01:02:24,079 --> 01:02:31,599
situation that needs to be defined in
that in that context?

766
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:36,079
» Yeah. And and in fact, one of the
recommendations is to identify that

767
01:02:33,599 --> 01:02:40,559
person. I think that's actually really
easy that that person's the

768
01:02:38,079 --> 01:02:44,000
superintendent and the superintendent
puts the team in place and say, "Okay,

769
01:02:42,319 --> 01:02:49,760
you've got this piece, this piece,
whatever it might be." Um and as far as

770
01:02:47,359 --> 01:02:55,920
the site is concerned, let let's just
say that that we had a similar thing

771
01:02:52,960 --> 01:03:01,119
that was still thirsten.
I might assign that principal a role,

772
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:05,119
but the role would not be being in
charge of the entire operation. Does

773
01:03:04,000 --> 01:03:11,440
that make sense, Mr.?
>> Yeah, it does. Okay.

774
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:15,799
Do you think it would be a good idea to
not have the board meet on campuses?

775
01:03:16,160 --> 01:03:26,799
» Uh mixed feelings on that. Um I
you know for for five years I attended

776
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:31,119
board meetings in our little tiny
boardroom down at the at the district

777
01:03:28,880 --> 01:03:36,079
office.
That was certainly imperfect. Um but

778
01:03:34,160 --> 01:03:40,319
yeah, can make it work. This is
imperfect, but we can make it work. The

779
01:03:37,839 --> 01:03:45,359
space is, you know, it's a good size and
it it's set up for us now with the

780
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:50,640
audiovisisual equipment. It still
presents challenges, but it's it's okay.

781
01:03:48,559 --> 01:03:55,280
Um,
I think if there's going to be an

782
01:03:52,079 --> 01:04:00,319
extraordinary meeting, yes, I do think
it's a good idea to move away from a

783
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:05,520
school site. If if we have notice that
something's going to be really big, why

784
01:04:02,559 --> 01:04:12,480
not just remove a variable of of having
to worry about the students and um

785
01:04:09,200 --> 01:04:16,520
traffic if we have an acceptable place.
>> Thanks. Thank you.

786
01:04:17,119 --> 01:04:23,039
» Any further questions from anyone before
we go to public comment?

787
01:04:21,039 --> 01:04:26,960
Okay. You're not looking for a motion on
this tonight, right? We're discussing

788
01:04:24,400 --> 01:04:28,960
this and it's coming back again or as
part of the plan or it'll start

789
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:34,079
appearing in part.
>> This is tonight is agendaized as

790
01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:39,119
information only with discussion and it'
be up to president and uh agenda setting

791
01:04:37,440 --> 01:04:43,520
to determine if it comes back. That's
that is completely up to the board.

792
01:04:41,039 --> 01:04:46,720
» Okay. But recommendations are are being
we don't need a you don't need a motion

793
01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:50,160
tonight for we can't give you a motion
tonight for for direction on

794
01:04:48,000 --> 01:04:52,559
recommendations. So it either needs to
come back or it can be

795
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:54,720
» you do not
>> incorporated and we can just get a later

796
01:04:54,079 --> 01:05:01,119
report.
>> Correct. So you do not have to make a

797
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:04,720
motion. Um does not mean we we can't
have a discussion where we take notes

798
01:05:03,119 --> 01:05:09,039
and say we can do all these things and
if if that satisfies the board then

799
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:12,480
we're done. If you want like to
formalize it and bring it back or have

800
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:16,880
us do additional work and bring it back
that's that we'll do that for you also.

801
01:05:14,720 --> 01:05:20,400
» Great. Thank you clarification. Um,
okay. Let's go to switch over to public

802
01:05:18,720 --> 01:05:28,319
comments. Uh, Clerk Perry.
>> Okay. Um, Ketta Brown, Heather Hansen,

803
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:31,319
and I might not get this right. Aisha
Mahapatra.

804
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:42,240
You can try to reframe this all you
want, but let's be clear. The events of

805
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:46,880
May 14th are directly attributable to
abysmal board governance. The public was

806
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:50,480
jerked around for months. Requests to
restore public comment to the beginning

807
01:05:48,319 --> 01:05:54,640
of the meeting fell on deaf ears. The
queries as to why there was ironically

808
01:05:52,319 --> 01:05:59,280
this evening a constant public employee
discipline dismissal or release item on

809
01:05:56,559 --> 01:06:03,680
closed session also never addressed. And
the cudigra was the cruel and heartless

810
01:06:01,839 --> 01:06:08,720
dismissal of Dr. Glass, the
instantaneous full-blown press release

811
01:06:05,760 --> 01:06:13,359
and the suspension of board policy 2120.
How much more was the community expected

812
01:06:10,480 --> 01:06:18,559
to tolerate without acting? The May 14th
event was an organic grassroots response

813
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:24,160
to a board majority who basically
thumbed their noses at us at every turn.

814
01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:28,960
Our con our constitution's first
amendment allows for freedom of assembly

815
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:31,960
and expression. And that is what we did.
Period.

816
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:48,079
Hi. Um, Heather Hansen again. Um, I I've
found it so deeply troubling uh the way

817
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:53,520
that the board majority has exploited
the events of a protest that was the

818
01:06:51,680 --> 01:06:58,559
direct result of the actions of the
board majority. And if there wasn't a

819
01:06:56,400 --> 01:07:03,280
superintendent there to oversee it, it
was because of the separation agreement,

820
01:07:01,039 --> 01:07:08,880
which was the protest what the protest
was about. And I see it as part of a

821
01:07:06,240 --> 01:07:13,680
pattern of disscent, a a a troubling
pattern of stifling disscent and

822
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:17,599
chilling speech from Howard's ad where
he said that teachers who speak out in

823
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:22,319
board meetings need to be disciplined
and retrained

824
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:28,720
to reframing every critique of power as
an act of bullying. Um, as as Keta said,

825
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:33,839
you know, these are expressions of
democracy and and school boards are

826
01:07:31,280 --> 01:07:38,960
laboratories of democracy and this is
unacceptable. And this is why you see

827
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:42,559
staff saying that they're afraid to
speak out or you see, you know,

828
01:07:40,480 --> 01:07:46,160
concerned staff comments instead of
people putting their names on public

829
01:07:44,079 --> 01:07:49,160
comments. And it's just really
unacceptable.

830
01:07:55,280 --> 01:08:01,760
Good evening. Um, my name is Aisha
Mahapatra and I'm a parent of two

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01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:06,079
students in the district. I'm here to
address the critical importance of

832
01:08:04,079 --> 01:08:11,200
constitutional free speech protections
and viewpoint neutrality, including our

833
01:08:08,559 --> 01:08:15,520
right to peacefully protest. Under the
Brown Act, the board is legally required

834
01:08:13,200 --> 01:08:19,440
to allow public comment. Courts have
established that this forum is a limited

835
01:08:17,279 --> 01:08:23,359
public forum under the First Amendment.
While you may enforce uniform time

836
01:08:21,199 --> 01:08:28,960
limits, you are strictly prohibited from
suppressing speech based on the

837
01:08:25,440 --> 01:08:33,199
viewpoints expressed. The act clearly
explicitly forbids you from prohibiting

838
01:08:30,799 --> 01:08:37,759
public criticism of your policies,
actions, or omissions.

839
01:08:35,839 --> 01:08:43,520
This protection extends to our school
grounds. The peaceful protest by parents

840
01:08:40,159 --> 01:08:48,560
and students on May 14th, 2026 was a
lawful exercise of free expression.

841
01:08:46,799 --> 01:08:52,080
Under the California Ed Code, students
have robust rights to peacefully

842
01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:56,719
demonstrate. Under the California
Constitution and Ed Code, parents,

843
01:08:54,400 --> 01:09:02,640
teachers, and staff possess a
co-extensive protections to assemble and

844
01:09:00,080 --> 01:09:08,239
advocate without fear of administrative
retaliation or exclusion. True civic

845
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:12,000
collaboration requires trustees to
listen thoughtfully to dissenting

846
01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:17,440
voices.
Disagreement is not disruption. When a

847
01:09:15,279 --> 01:09:23,279
board responds to unpopular parental
viewpoints with dismissive behavior or

848
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:29,359
premature gavlling, it erodess community
trust and risks violating federal and

849
01:09:26,159 --> 01:09:33,440
state civil rights laws. I urge this
board to approach all opposing

850
01:09:31,040 --> 01:09:39,480
viewpoints and peaceful advocacy with
the constitutional respect required of

851
01:09:35,520 --> 01:09:39,480
your office. Thank you.

852
01:09:41,199 --> 01:09:48,960
» Thank you,
Taylor Bennett.

853
01:09:44,799 --> 01:09:52,679
Danielle Rotor Sharmmer, Bana Heathcott,
and Meredith McMahon.

854
01:09:55,760 --> 01:10:03,360
Good evening. Uh, I'm Taylor Bennett.
I'm a district parent, and May 14th was

855
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:08,800
my very first school board meeting. Uh,
tonight I feel utter disappointment in

856
01:10:06,320 --> 01:10:12,880
leadership. Um, attention has shifted
from the concerns that brought families

857
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:17,120
here toward portraying those families as
the problem. Investigators concluded

858
01:10:15,199 --> 01:10:21,840
that the demonstration was an exercise
of first amendment rights. They found no

859
01:10:19,360 --> 01:10:28,000
evidence of criminal activity or intent
to physically harm anyone and concluded

860
01:10:25,120 --> 01:10:33,760
the meeting remained nonviolent despite
the disruption. Calling the protest

861
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:39,360
targeted overlooks that criticism often
addresses officials responsible for the

862
01:10:36,480 --> 01:10:42,800
decisions. Asking them to answer is
accountability.

863
01:10:40,880 --> 01:10:47,360
I saw the board president recording
attendees and from my perspective

864
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:52,640
smirking while walking through the
crowd. I struggled to reconcile that

865
01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:58,080
conduct with this gathering's portrayal
as a threat to safety. I also saw

866
01:10:55,760 --> 01:11:05,280
children holding signs. And do you know
what they said? Dr. Glass, I'm so sorry.

867
01:11:03,040 --> 01:11:09,040
From my perspective, this investigation
was unnecessary. It felt like an attempt

868
01:11:07,520 --> 01:11:13,760
to shift blame and create false
narratives. I support safe, orderly

869
01:11:11,440 --> 01:11:19,040
meetings. I also support standing up for
what's right. And Mr. Hills. You raised

870
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:24,000
parents responsibility to keep their
children safe.

871
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:29,040
I take that seriously. But less than 48
hours ago, you made a comment at a

872
01:11:26,719 --> 01:11:34,800
governance meeting in front of children
that I found inappropriate. If you're

873
01:11:31,679 --> 01:11:40,560
asking parents to consider what children
are exposed to, that standard must also

874
01:11:38,400 --> 01:11:46,560
apply to you.
Your credibility on this issue depends

875
01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:51,199
on holding yourself to the same standard
you ask of the rest of us. I ask you to

876
01:11:49,440 --> 01:11:56,000
look around the room and ask yourselves
how we got here, what role your own

877
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:59,360
decisions have played. Rebuilding trust
begins with examining your own

878
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:03,440
leadership as closely as you examine
this community's response to it. I came

879
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:06,800
to my first meeting believing that
voices mattered. I'm standing here

880
01:12:05,199 --> 01:12:11,120
tonight because I still believe they
should. You have an opportunity to take

881
01:12:09,440 --> 01:12:16,080
responsibility,
to listen, to give this community a

882
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:19,920
reason to trust you again. What you do
next will tell us whether you you're

883
01:12:18,080 --> 01:12:22,920
willing or whether you're not. Thank
you.

884
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:36,480
By the way, this was to warn you that
this same smirk was showing up and it's

885
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:40,880
going to be on camera, so I was trying
to give you a solid, so maybe don't go

886
01:12:38,800 --> 01:12:45,679
to Vegas.
Um, what I see here tonight is splitting

887
01:12:43,120 --> 01:12:50,320
hairs over hours, times of day, whether
it's the principal or the police putting

888
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:54,719
up barriers. You all have completely
missed the point.

889
01:12:52,400 --> 01:12:58,239
We sat in the same room and we watched
the same documentary,

890
01:12:56,640 --> 01:13:03,199
watched board meetings where there was
actually physically aggressive behavior

891
01:13:00,159 --> 01:13:07,520
that took place. You have to look at the
fact that there have been contentious

892
01:13:04,800 --> 01:13:12,560
issues in these meetings before, whether
they were here or down the hill, bell

893
01:13:09,679 --> 01:13:17,360
schedules before Labor Day calendars
and no organized gatherings took place.

894
01:13:15,760 --> 01:13:22,239
Hm.
That means you need to be introspective

895
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:26,080
and look at your role in the genesis
that created that gathering in the first

896
01:13:24,239 --> 01:13:30,000
place.
What you are doing is trying to deflect

897
01:13:27,920 --> 01:13:35,120
away from your personal responsibility
on what made people in this community so

898
01:13:32,320 --> 01:13:38,480
upset and compelled to gather in the
first place.

899
01:13:37,120 --> 01:13:41,280
Now I'm talking to you. I appreciate
your poker face, by the way. I

900
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:46,239
appreciate that you stay neutral for the
whole meeting, Mr. Hills. However, words

901
01:13:43,760 --> 01:13:52,000
matter. You need to stay out of
commenting on somebody's parenting. You

902
01:13:48,400 --> 01:13:56,800
are so far out of your lane. You wonder
why you don't draw crowds at events. And

903
01:13:54,320 --> 01:14:02,640
it's moment like this that make you not
a welcome in most places anymore.

904
01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:06,480
Honestly, you owe every parent in this
community an apology whether their

905
01:14:04,719 --> 01:14:10,159
children were here or not, which mine
weren't, by the way, cuz they're grown

906
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:14,400
and on their own. So, I'm speaking for
all of them.

907
01:14:12,320 --> 01:14:19,840
You don't decide what's appropriate for
a parent for their child. That is not

908
01:14:17,040 --> 01:14:26,000
your job. Whether they want to bring a
child to a first amendment exercise or

909
01:14:21,840 --> 01:14:29,920
not, not for you to say or comment on.
You may choose to judge, but that's when

910
01:14:28,000 --> 01:14:35,280
you close your mouth and you keep the
thoughts inside. You don't criticize

911
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:40,880
other people's parenting. Would you like
me or anyone else to come up here and

912
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:44,960
review your parenting? I don't think so
because none of us are perfect. I'm sure

913
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:49,520
we all have moments where maybe we
raised our voice, lost a little bit,

914
01:14:47,520 --> 01:14:55,520
maybe punished a little bit more than
the actual event called for. We don't

915
01:14:52,640 --> 01:15:01,679
want it reviewed upon by anybody else,
let alone in a public venue on a

916
01:14:58,159 --> 01:15:06,560
transcript available forever. So, would
you want that to happen to you? I don't

917
01:15:03,920 --> 01:15:12,920
think you would.
So maybe you should extend the same

918
01:15:08,719 --> 01:15:12,920
courtesy to everyone else.

919
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:32,239
Uh Brianna Heathcott, I was going to try
not to speak tonight. Um I I don't

920
01:15:30,400 --> 01:15:36,640
believe in wasting my time if I don't
think that my words can make a

921
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:41,440
difference. I really am am just hoping
that the three of you will reflect on

922
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:45,440
where we've gotten to. The most
troubling thing about everything that's

923
01:15:43,199 --> 01:15:49,520
happened since May 14th is that the
board majority still does not seem to

924
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:54,800
understand what the public was trying to
say. You investigated the meeting. You

925
01:15:52,480 --> 01:16:00,320
investigated the crowd. You investigated
security. You spent months discussing

926
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:04,080
conduct, civility, procedures, and how
to handle this if something happens

927
01:16:02,560 --> 01:16:09,600
again. Who? How are we going to throw
someone out? Is it the cops? Is it

928
01:16:05,679 --> 01:16:14,159
security? We've missed the plot. Okay.
Where is that same level of examination

929
01:16:12,080 --> 01:16:19,040
of what brought people to that point?
Because May 14th did not happen in a

930
01:16:16,400 --> 01:16:23,440
vacuum. People did not suddenly wake up
one day angry at the school board. For

931
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:28,640
months, members of this community had
been writing to you, speaking at this

932
01:16:25,360 --> 01:16:32,880
podium, questioning decisions, asking
for information, and telling you that

933
01:16:30,719 --> 01:16:36,239
they did not feel heard. And instead of
recognizing that as a warning about the

934
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:41,040
relationship between the board and the
community, the response after May 14th

935
01:16:38,640 --> 01:16:45,120
has largely focused on the reaction.
That's backwards.

936
01:16:43,120 --> 01:16:50,320
The investigation concluded that there
was no evidence that protesters intended

937
01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:54,719
to physically harm anyone. D, I'm so
sorry that you felt that way you did

938
01:16:52,159 --> 01:16:59,360
that day. I cannot imagine walking up
and feeling that way. I also believe in

939
01:16:56,960 --> 01:17:03,840
accountability. You made a decision. you
upset the community and there is

940
01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:08,400
accountability for your actions. I would
never want anyone to feel that way, but

941
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:12,960
it it's accountability. You make a
decision, you ran to be elected on this

942
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:18,800
board and know that some decisions
people aren't going to agree with. It

943
01:17:15,679 --> 01:17:22,400
happens, but you have to deal with that.
After all of this, after the

944
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:26,640
investigation, the attorney, the
meetings, the security discussions, and

945
01:17:24,560 --> 01:17:29,440
the recommendations, I hope the majority
will finally ask the question that

946
01:17:28,080 --> 01:17:33,440
should have been asked from the
beginning. Why are so many people angry?

947
01:17:31,840 --> 01:17:37,040
Not whether you agree with them, not
whether you like their signs, not

948
01:17:35,199 --> 01:17:40,960
whether they express themselves in the
way you would have preferred. Why do

949
01:17:38,800 --> 01:17:46,239
members of your own community, people
who voted for you, people who supported

950
01:17:43,040 --> 01:17:48,719
you, show up in force because that was
the only way that they thought you might

951
01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:51,760
listen?
Because you can adopt every

952
01:17:50,159 --> 01:17:56,080
recommendation in the report. You can
change security. You can change meeting

953
01:17:53,760 --> 01:18:00,719
procedures. You can change location. You
can change how people enter this room.

954
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:04,640
But none of that repairs trust. And none
of it fixes the fundamental problem if

955
01:18:02,800 --> 01:18:09,600
people continue to believe that
decisions are already made before they

956
01:18:06,400 --> 01:18:13,199
ever reach the podium.
Public comment is not something the

957
01:18:11,199 --> 01:18:17,199
board simply has to endure before moving
on to vote. It's supposed to mean

958
01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:21,679
something. The lesson of May 14th should
not be how to control the room the next

959
01:18:19,199 --> 01:18:25,679
time people are angry. The lesson should
be figuring out why your community had

960
01:18:23,760 --> 01:18:29,880
to get that loud before you notice them
at all. Thank you.

961
01:18:35,440 --> 01:18:43,920
Hi, Meredith McMahon. I want to correct
the record about May 14th. I organized

962
01:18:41,520 --> 01:18:49,199
the protest independently as a parent
and community member. The rumors about

963
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:54,560
fuel or shaheen shakes it all per
planning it are false. I stepped off the

964
01:18:52,159 --> 01:18:59,280
fuel board nearly 10 months earlier on
July 16th, 2025.

965
01:18:57,280 --> 01:19:04,320
I emailed every board member when you
announced the investigation and told you

966
01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:09,520
directly that I organized it. The report
notes that I declined to be interviewed.

967
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:13,120
What it doesn't explain is why the ACLU
had sent a demand letter on my behalf

968
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:17,840
challenging the legality of an
investigation and demanding that it be

969
01:19:15,440 --> 01:19:22,800
halted. I was not going to participate
in investigation. I was simultaneously

970
01:19:20,080 --> 01:19:26,960
challenging through counsel. Now that
the investigation is over and the report

971
01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:31,520
is public, the facts are clear. There
was no evidence of criminal activity or

972
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:36,159
intent to physically harm anyone. May
14th was loud. People were angry. Some

973
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:42,400
board members felt intimidated. Those
feelings are real, but discomfort is not

974
01:19:38,960 --> 01:19:47,920
danger and criticism is not a threat. My
family and I have po protested alongside

975
01:19:45,679 --> 01:19:52,800
President Morgan in the past when we
both understood that peaceful protest

976
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:57,520
was a legitimate way to speak out. May
14th simply put us on different sides.

977
01:19:55,840 --> 01:20:02,080
The principle shouldn't change because
you're now the person being protested.

978
01:20:00,480 --> 01:20:06,320
That brings me to Sherry's public
Instagram post after the report was

979
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:13,199
released. In that post, she referred to
the person behind the ACL filings as a

980
01:20:09,440 --> 01:20:18,480
quote fuel founding member. I assume you
were referring to me. Why is my former

981
01:20:15,920 --> 01:20:23,600
affiliation with Fuel relevant? I
organized the protest independently. You

982
01:20:20,880 --> 01:20:28,080
knew that because I told you myself and
your own report does not conclude that

983
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:33,120
Fuel organized the protest. So, if you
disagree with what I did, say my name. I

984
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:37,120
can defend my own decisions. from
Sherry's same post. What is even more

985
01:20:34,960 --> 01:20:40,320
troubling is her characterization that
it was a missed opportunity to teach

986
01:20:38,800 --> 01:20:45,440
students how to behave when they don't
get what they want rather than protest.

987
01:20:43,040 --> 01:20:50,159
I fundamentally disagree. Peaceful
protest is not misbehavior. It is a

988
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:53,920
bedrock principle of our democracy. In
fact, the demonstration was an exercise

989
01:20:52,080 --> 01:20:58,400
of a fundamental constitutionally
guaranteed right of public display of

990
01:20:56,159 --> 01:21:01,840
free speech. I am proud that this
community did not miss an opportunity to

991
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:05,600
teach our children to use their right to
free speech. In fact, the real missed

992
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:09,840
opportunity is on the part of the board
majorities failing to heed their

993
01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:12,960
constituents voice. We should teach our
children that they can peacefully

994
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:17,280
assemble, speak out, and criticize their
elected officials even when those in

995
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:21,120
power disagree. Dissent is not a threat
to leadership. It is a check on

996
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:24,239
leadership. When those in power use
their authority to investigate or

997
01:21:22,640 --> 01:21:28,400
discredit people for peacefully
protesting them, we should all pay

998
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:31,920
attention. And that is a lesson worth
modeling for our children. They should

999
01:21:30,239 --> 01:21:35,840
know that having a voice means being
willing to use it, even when it makes

1000
01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:39,760
people in power uncomfortable. Our
children are watching. Let's make sure

1001
01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:44,520
that what they see is democracy and
action. Vote on November 3rd.

1002
01:21:49,520 --> 01:21:57,199
Thank you for our speakers. I'm going to
open it back up to uh board comments.

1003
01:21:53,920 --> 01:22:02,639
I'll start with our student board reps.
>> I have no comments at this time.

1004
01:22:00,000 --> 01:22:08,360
» I as well have no comments at this time.
>> Great. Thank you.

1005
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:08,360
» Member Kelly.

1006
01:22:09,440 --> 01:22:17,120
» I want to congratulate and thank all the
parents and citizens who came and spoke.

1007
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:22,320
Um you make me so happy. Uh four years
ago, I begged you to run for the board.

1008
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:27,199
Uh I went to every PTA meeting. I begged
you. I begged individuals, individuals

1009
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:32,400
who's sitting there in yellow back there
to run for the board. None of you did

1010
01:22:29,920 --> 01:22:36,800
because everything was going okay.
Democracy

1011
01:22:34,080 --> 01:22:43,560
has to be protected. You just can't sit
back and allow the fools to take over.

1012
01:22:39,360 --> 01:22:43,560
And I just want to thank you all.

1013
01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:56,120
Member Hills,
>> I'll just start on the other end.

1014
01:22:52,800 --> 01:22:56,120
» Member Maleski.

1015
01:22:57,440 --> 01:23:02,719
» Yeah, I'm just going to start with a
couple of short comments that are a

1016
01:23:01,199 --> 01:23:09,600
little bit redundant to what's been
said, but um uh I'll share them anyway.

1017
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:13,360
Um so first of all um and I'm going to
have comments about the recommendations

1018
01:23:11,199 --> 01:23:17,199
later but just on the initial
presentation

1019
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:21,520
um what what I want to restate that what
was missing from the recommendations

1020
01:23:19,040 --> 01:23:26,719
understandably is what the board could
have done to prevent such a protest. I

1021
01:23:24,320 --> 01:23:30,800
find it shocking but not surprising that
the board majority has demonstrated no

1022
01:23:29,040 --> 01:23:36,000
ability to be reflective about the
events on May 14th or to think deeply

1023
01:23:33,600 --> 01:23:41,360
about how their actions contributed to
what followed. And it's entirely

1024
01:23:39,040 --> 01:23:45,600
laughable for any board member to claim
that they were targeted. People

1025
01:23:43,280 --> 01:23:51,199
protested board members who made bad
decisions. It's not bullying. It's the

1026
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:55,520
reason for the protest. I'm also deeply
disturbed by comments about how to keep

1027
01:23:53,280 --> 01:24:00,639
our children safe. I just want to
reiterate what I've said at many

1028
01:23:57,360 --> 01:24:04,400
meetings. I am so thankful that students
are learning about civic engagement by

1029
01:24:02,719 --> 01:24:10,560
attending these meetings and that
includes my own child and it includes my

1030
01:24:07,120 --> 01:24:15,520
own um experiences of having attended
many protests. Um Alexis Dtoqueville

1031
01:24:13,600 --> 01:24:19,920
talks about the power of association.
It's important to democracy. There's no

1032
01:24:17,920 --> 01:24:24,639
better exercise of democracy than
students watching these meetings so they

1033
01:24:22,159 --> 01:24:30,239
can see democracy in action and they can
learn how to evaluate democratic

1034
01:24:26,639 --> 01:24:35,760
leadership in good form and in bad. You
have to watch it to understand it.

1035
01:24:33,360 --> 01:24:42,480
It's what we're here for. Educating our
children. The problem with regard to the

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01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:46,239
photos is not that legally, because that
came up as if having our children here

1037
01:24:44,639 --> 01:24:51,679
and getting photographed was bad
parenting. The problem is not that

1038
01:24:48,480 --> 01:24:55,920
legally they can be filmed, but the glee
I feel from board members because

1039
01:24:53,840 --> 01:25:00,560
they're allowed to use them to publicly
shame the kids who were here and from

1040
01:24:58,400 --> 01:25:04,800
what I heard on the deis to also
publicly shame their parents as if they

1041
01:25:03,040 --> 01:25:10,320
did something wrong by allowing their
children to attend and protest. I would

1042
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:14,560
like to congratulate parents who decided
to exercise exercise their first

1043
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:18,960
amendment rights and encourage their
children to attend to exercise their

1044
01:25:16,719 --> 01:25:24,239
first amendment rights and let their
children know that right in our local

1045
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:29,920
district up at the school or whether
it's down at the city council chambers.

1046
01:25:26,800 --> 01:25:36,480
You can watch democracy in action. There
is no better moment right now nationally

1047
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:41,120
in the state and locally than to
understand what democracy is about. And

1048
01:25:38,719 --> 01:25:47,520
the idea that anyone on this day would
criticize parents or students for trying

1049
01:25:44,159 --> 01:25:53,679
to engage to be civically engaged in
participating in our democracy and to

1050
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:59,280
learn about how to exercise it is just
so disappointing to me. So, I just want

1051
01:25:56,639 --> 01:26:03,639
to voice my strong disagreement to that.
And that's all I'm going to say for now.

1052
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:12,320
» Perry.
>> Clerk Perry.

1053
01:26:08,239 --> 01:26:17,199
» Thank you. Um, I definitely believe in
everybody's first amendment rights. I

1054
01:26:15,440 --> 01:26:20,800
love that we have passionate parents
here who care very much about their

1055
01:26:19,199 --> 01:26:27,199
children.
What bothers me bothered me is the hate

1056
01:26:24,560 --> 01:26:33,040
signs. I hate Sherry. I hate D. I hate
Howard. We have a whole program called

1057
01:26:30,159 --> 01:26:37,520
No Place for Hate. We spend a lot of
money on social emotional issues and we

1058
01:26:35,199 --> 01:26:42,000
have people come up and say, you know,
you have no friends. We don't like you.

1059
01:26:39,920 --> 01:26:46,960
I would never
I would never allow that in my classroom

1060
01:26:44,480 --> 01:26:52,400
or with my own children. I would never
allow them to come and tell people that

1061
01:26:50,239 --> 01:26:57,199
they hate them. And I could see the
anger in people's eyes and that was

1062
01:26:55,040 --> 01:27:04,960
really really concerning to me. This is
a community that I've loved very much

1063
01:26:59,840 --> 01:27:09,040
for many many years and I've done
I've done

1064
01:27:06,880 --> 01:27:16,080
a lot. I've used my own money for a
lawsuit for special ed children. I've

1065
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:22,000
done a lot. and to have people just turn
all of a sudden turn and be so angry and

1066
01:27:18,719 --> 01:27:27,280
hateful. I thought this investigation
was about

1067
01:27:24,239 --> 01:27:30,560
safety and
don't laugh. That's what I thought it

1068
01:27:29,040 --> 01:27:37,360
was about that we would have safe
meetings. And I worry because I know how

1069
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:44,480
passionate parents are not
I I wanted us to talk about and I've

1070
01:27:40,719 --> 01:27:49,840
asked this for a long time about having
um metal detectors and I'm afraid of a

1071
01:27:47,920 --> 01:27:56,560
shooter coming up here because people
get crazy about things like books that

1072
01:27:52,400 --> 01:28:02,400
their kids are are reading or um you
know girls and boys and bathrooms. I I

1073
01:28:00,639 --> 01:28:06,800
would like us to practice here. What do
we do if a shooter comes in? Do we duck

1074
01:28:04,719 --> 01:28:14,639
under? Do we try to attack them? Do we
run out the doors? I am truly worried

1075
01:28:09,360 --> 01:28:19,679
for kids safety. And I was I'm hoping
that we will do more about that for

1076
01:28:17,440 --> 01:28:28,639
everybody's safety, for children's, for
the audience, for staff, for everyone.

1077
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:32,719
And I know um it was I I they didn't say
it was a peaceful protest. It was a

1078
01:28:30,560 --> 01:28:39,920
protest and you had that right.
Absolutely. But as I walked up, I could

1079
01:28:36,639 --> 01:28:46,320
not get to the door. I could not I went
to the side and I was hoping that

1080
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:51,040
» Quiet please. um a couple of people that
maybe despised me, but I was hoping

1081
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:55,280
they'd let me get to the wall and they
didn't and came at me and startled me.

1082
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:58,000
And I said right away,
>> "Please, please."

1083
01:28:56,800 --> 01:29:03,280
» I said right away,
>> "Excuse me."

1084
01:28:58,880 --> 01:29:08,000
» And I I wrote Ketta that night that no
one pushed me, no one touched me. I

1085
01:29:05,520 --> 01:29:14,159
didn't want anyone blamed for anything
like that. I fell or

1086
01:29:11,920 --> 01:29:21,280
dropped my bag myself on my foot, which
was very swollen and and bleeding. But

1087
01:29:18,159 --> 01:29:30,960
that was that's on me. That's on me that
that happened. I don't

1088
01:29:24,960 --> 01:29:35,360
I just don't feel like this was um a a
safe situation

1089
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:39,840
because of all of the anger. If you're
just if you're just protesting because

1090
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:47,360
you don't believe in an idea, that's one
thing. But to um attack and discuss

1091
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:53,679
ideas respectfully,
I I have never screamed and at you guys

1092
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:58,400
and called you hateful. I just wouldn't
do that. And I'm really disappointed

1093
01:29:56,000 --> 01:30:02,120
that that's the example that's being
given to our students.

1094
01:30:08,480 --> 01:30:15,560
I'm pretty sure we were respectful when
you all were speaking. I would like to

1095
01:30:11,520 --> 01:30:15,560
ask for the same. Thank you.

1096
01:30:21,199 --> 01:30:27,760
I have a couple of comments. I have a
couple of comments. I'm sure we'll come

1097
01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:33,280
back around. Um I appreciate this item
coming forward and giving everyone the

1098
01:30:30,480 --> 01:30:37,199
opportunity to address it.
The report and the scope of the

1099
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:41,120
investigation was very clear. It's about
evaluating the events and safety

1100
01:30:39,520 --> 01:30:44,880
protocols associated with the
demonstration. This includes assessment

1101
01:30:43,520 --> 01:30:50,080
of current procedures and
recommendations to strengthen safety

1102
01:30:46,719 --> 01:30:53,600
protocols while preserving public access
to compliance with first amendment

1103
01:30:51,760 --> 01:30:57,679
rights and applicable laws. The
investigation was not about pe people's

1104
01:30:55,520 --> 01:31:01,679
f first amendment rights. And there was
no investigation of people and who was

1105
01:30:59,600 --> 01:31:07,040
here and how they behaved. It was about
the safety.

1106
01:31:04,800 --> 01:31:10,800
I don't believe that we need to do
another investigation regarding the

1107
01:31:08,960 --> 01:31:15,760
impact that this situation may have had
on our students,

1108
01:31:13,280 --> 01:31:20,159
our staff, or our community. We have a
social emotional team with exceptional

1109
01:31:17,600 --> 01:31:24,840
abilities and a robust budget of over $3
million to address this with.

1110
01:31:26,639 --> 01:31:36,159
I can wait. Okay. I do not I say this
because the opinion of those that

1111
01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:41,199
participated is not the feeling of the
entire community. To accuse this board

1112
01:31:38,800 --> 01:31:46,480
of not listening to you all is not true.
And I've said this before. We do listen.

1113
01:31:44,000 --> 01:31:52,639
But there are many voices involved in
all of this, not just yours. And I don't

1114
01:31:50,639 --> 01:31:57,120
know how else to express that to you all
other than to share how we're getting

1115
01:31:54,960 --> 01:32:03,840
complaints that people feel bullied if
they don't support this effort. Um, and

1116
01:32:00,320 --> 01:32:08,239
we'll call it fuel. Um, there are
screenshots that are in the report that

1117
01:32:05,840 --> 01:32:12,560
should be in the file of other members
that helped coordinate the meeting.

1118
01:32:10,239 --> 01:32:17,600
There are screenshots of letters from
from the unions encouraging people to

1119
01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:23,040
show up. So to say that one person
organized it is not true. It's a lot of

1120
01:32:19,679 --> 01:32:25,920
energy coming into the same place.
All of our speakers have mentioned that

1121
01:32:24,560 --> 01:32:30,239
we're not listening. I've already said
that. Um and not hap and many in the

1122
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:34,960
community are not happy with what they
saw. The actions of those that

1123
01:32:32,239 --> 01:32:38,800
participated are not what many in our
community wish to see on our school

1124
01:32:36,719 --> 01:32:42,159
campuses or from our students. We have
been here and protested the calendar,

1125
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:46,639
but we didn't protest and scream with
pompoms and signs. We all met down in

1126
01:32:44,480 --> 01:32:50,800
the library and everybody was yelling
and it was a very very difficult

1127
01:32:48,719 --> 01:32:55,199
meeting. At that time the board
president referred to the parents that

1128
01:32:52,639 --> 01:32:58,320
were quite upset and 54% actually did
not want the calendar changed yet they

1129
01:32:56,960 --> 01:33:02,719
moved it anyway. So when we start
talking about who's listening there's a

1130
01:33:00,159 --> 01:33:06,800
history in this community of of
information being not skewed the

1131
01:33:04,560 --> 01:33:10,400
direction that you want. And at that
time the president would call everyone

1132
01:33:08,320 --> 01:33:16,159
angry parents. And maybe none of you
remember that, but I do because I was

1133
01:33:12,480 --> 01:33:20,480
here in this room with you
asking for things to be different. I

1134
01:33:18,400 --> 01:33:25,159
have protested with all of you down at
Maine Beach, not in this room.

1135
01:33:25,600 --> 01:33:30,320
So, as I said, the actions of those that
participated are not what many in our

1136
01:33:29,040 --> 01:33:35,440
community wish to see in our school
campuses or from our students. The

1137
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:41,520
protest was deemed angry, intense, loud,
hostile, and targeted. Targeted.

1138
01:33:38,639 --> 01:33:46,480
even confirmed by a participant online.
Targeting is defined as spe as a

1139
01:33:44,000 --> 01:33:50,880
specific process a bully uses to single
out an individual to abuse, harass, or

1140
01:33:48,719 --> 01:33:56,400
marginalize them. This is true whether
it's cyber bullying or imp or in person,

1141
01:33:53,520 --> 01:34:00,239
facts matter. And this is a public role.
You're right.

1142
01:33:58,320 --> 01:34:05,040
Whether you're elected or appointed, we
have an obligation to this community.

1143
01:34:03,280 --> 01:34:09,600
And as citizens in the community, your
rights are extended because yes, you're

1144
01:34:06,639 --> 01:34:15,040
right. You can be hostile
when you protest.

1145
01:34:11,679 --> 01:34:19,120
But whether we are elected or appointed,
I think what's missing from our

1146
01:34:16,880 --> 01:34:23,760
perspective or my perspective at least
is that not only are we elected

1147
01:34:21,040 --> 01:34:27,280
officials up here that have to and
uphold first amendment rights. Not even

1148
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:30,560
have to. I love First Amendment rights.
I've been down protesting as you guys

1149
01:34:28,800 --> 01:34:34,840
all said. I think it's really important.
The pro problem I have is how

1150
01:34:36,000 --> 01:34:44,000
we are not only elected members of this
board, but we are your neighbors.

1151
01:34:41,360 --> 01:34:48,880
We're your neighbors. We're taxpayers.
We're parents. We're grandparents. We

1152
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:56,480
have businesses. Some people are
employees. We're friends, former

1153
01:34:51,920 --> 01:35:02,920
friends, parents of kids that your kids
know. And I think that's the thing that

1154
01:34:59,120 --> 01:35:02,920
keeps being missed.

1155
01:35:03,440 --> 01:35:10,400
We are longtime volunteers and we
continue to volunteer to sit here today.

1156
01:35:07,920 --> 01:35:15,679
I'll wait.
I'm not done. I'm waiting for the room

1157
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:20,760
to clear.
Have a nice evening. Drive safe.

1158
01:35:24,719 --> 01:35:28,040
It is

1159
01:35:29,199 --> 01:35:34,880
longtime volunteers
who continue to volunteer as we sit here

1160
01:35:33,199 --> 01:35:37,880
today. As it was clarified, we are not
paid.

1161
01:35:38,480 --> 01:35:43,520
Collectively, we have an average and I
think Howard, you actually skew the

1162
01:35:41,840 --> 01:35:47,840
entire time. So, I put some of the years
to you, Dr. Malchesky, but I think we

1163
01:35:45,360 --> 01:35:53,040
have over 50 years of residency and as
stewards of this community. Kids that

1164
01:35:50,639 --> 01:35:57,280
day were watching and were participating
and they were learning from what you

1165
01:35:54,560 --> 01:36:00,639
what they saw. You're right. But that's
not the behavior or the manner in which

1166
01:35:58,880 --> 01:36:04,880
I believe our district encourages us to
resolve differences, disagreements, how

1167
01:36:03,199 --> 01:36:09,120
we build resilience, grit, or
determination. It was still targeting.

1168
01:36:07,360 --> 01:36:11,840
So, I am concerned that while some
parents believe they're showing their

1169
01:36:10,480 --> 01:36:15,679
children how to stand up for their
rights and exercising their first

1170
01:36:13,280 --> 01:36:20,080
amendment rights. I have done that. I've
done it at Maine Beach with a sign with

1171
01:36:17,920 --> 01:36:25,120
other people united as well. But at
Maine Beach,

1172
01:36:22,400 --> 01:36:30,159
once a protest becomes targeted, whether
it's online or in person, it's

1173
01:36:27,440 --> 01:36:36,239
frightening. Targeting is frightening.
It's intimidating and it's harassing.

1174
01:36:33,520 --> 01:36:39,760
It is not any of our place to judge or
criticize how someone feels based on our

1175
01:36:38,560 --> 01:36:44,080
actions. And I'm really glad that
somebody said that earlier. It is not

1176
01:36:42,080 --> 01:36:47,600
our place to judge how our message is
being delivered to someone else. I am

1177
01:36:46,000 --> 01:36:51,280
listening. I hear what you guys are
saying. I understand you're upset. The

1178
01:36:49,520 --> 01:36:54,719
problem is nobody will come and talk to
me about it. They just want to yell and

1179
01:36:52,719 --> 01:36:59,360
scream. I have said many times I am
available. Let's talk.

1180
01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:02,800
It's not our place to judge or criticize
how someone feels based on our actions.

1181
01:37:01,199 --> 01:37:06,400
It's not our right to determine if
someone feels intimidated, frightened,

1182
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:13,280
or afraid as a result of our actions
actions. It is our place to control how

1183
01:37:09,199 --> 01:37:17,760
we react, respond, demonstrate empathy.
Have we asked questions? Are they are

1184
01:37:15,840 --> 01:37:23,119
those questions able to be answered? We
cannot discuss personnel issues that are

1185
01:37:20,480 --> 01:37:26,639
done in close session. It is not legally
allowed. So to insist that there are

1186
01:37:25,199 --> 01:37:31,000
details that we are withholding from
you, we are upholding the law.

1187
01:37:32,000 --> 01:37:36,960
Have we tried to work together? We have
a whole department in our schools

1188
01:37:35,119 --> 01:37:40,560
designed to address the address this.
The district's social and emotional

1189
01:37:38,639 --> 01:37:44,800
programming budget is over $3 million
and we should be doing better. People

1190
01:37:42,880 --> 01:37:48,000
were people were heard, but as I've said
it before, it's not just the loudest

1191
01:37:46,239 --> 01:37:51,360
group. I listen to all people and not
everyone's going to like the outcomes.

1192
01:37:49,440 --> 01:37:54,639
Think of the pool. That's a great
physical example. People showed up

1193
01:37:52,960 --> 01:38:00,320
there, but they were civilized and
that's a $25 million flex of their tax

1194
01:37:57,679 --> 01:38:03,440
dollars. I've mentioned before that
while some call the experience, the

1195
01:38:01,760 --> 01:38:06,880
children present that day an exercise of
their first amendment rights. I am

1196
01:38:05,199 --> 01:38:10,159
concerned, as I expressed earlier, that
these young students will feel that it's

1197
01:38:08,639 --> 01:38:14,800
normal to target people if they don't
get their way. In some ways, it's like

1198
01:38:12,719 --> 01:38:18,960
prohibited content on the internet. If
our kids come across something, even

1199
01:38:16,400 --> 01:38:23,600
without an awareness, they can't unsee
it. I express this concern as it is the

1200
01:38:22,320 --> 01:38:28,320
role of the board to protect our
students. And I bring this up again as a

1201
01:38:25,679 --> 01:38:32,080
prelude to my to my request on some of
the directions that I would like to

1202
01:38:29,920 --> 01:38:36,239
bring to the board because not only have
I stated this concern, but Tuesday in

1203
01:38:33,920 --> 01:38:41,040
our governance committee, we opened the
discussion for policy on student board

1204
01:38:38,159 --> 01:38:46,000
reps. Samia was present. How are they
elected? What's the process? What does

1205
01:38:43,360 --> 01:38:49,920
the statute say? How are the youngest
students, the ones that were here

1206
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:54,639
present on on May 14th? How are the
youngest students represented? What's

1207
01:38:52,320 --> 01:38:58,880
the discussion as it how what's the
discussion as it relates to their

1208
01:38:56,400 --> 01:39:02,880
concerns? Is it more crayons, longer
lunch? Is there in in an elementary

1209
01:39:01,679 --> 01:39:07,679
school? Those are some of the topics
that come up. How are the youngest

1210
01:39:05,440 --> 01:39:12,080
students represented as it relates to
electing and relaying topics of interest

1211
01:39:10,159 --> 01:39:15,040
was one of the questions. The statute
does state that it has to be a high

1212
01:39:13,360 --> 01:39:18,480
school student. So that was an easy one.
And I mentioned this because it I

1213
01:39:16,560 --> 01:39:23,040
because I made some interesting
observations that reinforced my concern.

1214
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:26,800
As the student board rep, how do they
represent the middle and the elementary

1215
01:39:24,639 --> 01:39:30,400
students? As I said, we joked about
crayons and longer lunch. But the point

1216
01:39:28,320 --> 01:39:35,040
that Samia made and goes back to the
very concern of the actions that day,

1217
01:39:33,119 --> 01:39:41,520
and I thought it was really well stated,
so thank you. Young students do not know

1218
01:39:38,480 --> 01:39:46,239
that there's a school board. They do not
know what a school board rep is.

1219
01:39:44,880 --> 01:39:51,600
I'm sure they don't know what a school
board member is. So, if all of those

1220
01:39:48,560 --> 01:39:54,880
kids that were here on this campus
were sat down and given a civics lesson

1221
01:39:53,520 --> 01:39:59,199
and said, "Now, let's make it real
clear. You are at a public space. You

1222
01:39:57,040 --> 01:40:02,560
will be recorded. We are protesting for
our first amendment rights, but there

1223
01:40:01,040 --> 01:40:06,080
are young children there. And our
student board rep, who is elected to

1224
01:40:04,560 --> 01:40:12,320
represent the students, made it very
clear. These students do not know what a

1225
01:40:08,800 --> 01:40:16,080
school board rep is and I would not have
expected it either. They have elections

1226
01:40:14,320 --> 01:40:20,400
starting in fourth grade to answer your
question. Uh they do and that is all

1227
01:40:18,639 --> 01:40:23,600
part of that process. So they start to
get experience with it. But I'm pretty

1228
01:40:22,239 --> 01:40:26,639
sure because I know my daughter did it
and I know she was an officer. They

1229
01:40:24,960 --> 01:40:32,159
didn't have conversations about now this
is where you can protest and this is

1230
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:35,440
where you isn't you can't. So, I'm I'm
guessing it's pretty safe to assume that

1231
01:40:33,600 --> 01:40:38,560
these young students do not know what a
schoolboard member is responsible for.

1232
01:40:37,280 --> 01:40:41,920
They don't know the difference between
it being a school setting or an open

1233
01:40:40,239 --> 01:40:45,600
public space where they can and will be
photographed, videoed, and taught that

1234
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:52,560
this is how we respond when we don't
like something. So, I would like to

1235
01:40:47,679 --> 01:40:57,199
request the following for just for the
staff to consider. I would like to see

1236
01:40:55,199 --> 01:41:01,440
staff include a process for follow-up as
incidents such as this occurs. It can be

1237
01:40:59,360 --> 01:41:05,440
an incident if there's a social that has
any type of a social and emotional touch

1238
01:41:03,360 --> 01:41:09,119
point. Programs we have in the past
reflect on what bullying looks like,

1239
01:41:07,520 --> 01:41:13,280
what intimidation looks like, and what
targeting looks like. Yes, our first

1240
01:41:11,840 --> 01:41:17,199
amendment rights, but our students
probably don't understand that there

1241
01:41:15,280 --> 01:41:21,040
should be be no cost to this district
for this exercise because we already

1242
01:41:18,960 --> 01:41:25,440
spend $3 million in our social emotional
programming and have excellent staff. So

1243
01:41:23,520 --> 01:41:29,679
based on the activity of May 14th, I
would like to recommend that we rethink

1244
01:41:27,119 --> 01:41:34,000
our approach. Finally, I am not
responsible for the actions of others.

1245
01:41:32,239 --> 01:41:37,520
I'm not responsible for the actions of
the people in this room or the people

1246
01:41:35,920 --> 01:41:41,840
when they protest. That is your
responsibility. I am responsible for how

1247
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:46,000
I respond. I am responsible for my
actions and my votes. Since this whole

1248
01:41:44,159 --> 01:41:50,080
thing circled back to a protest I
identified as being triggered by a

1249
01:41:47,920 --> 01:41:54,000
mutual separation,
I think it's important to mention that I

1250
01:41:52,239 --> 01:41:57,440
am responsible for upholding the law,
protecting close session discussions in

1251
01:41:55,840 --> 01:42:00,000
all places applicable, as is my
colleagues, whether they are just

1252
01:41:58,639 --> 01:42:03,840
starting or ending their time on the
board. Adults need to take the lead, and

1253
01:42:02,000 --> 01:42:09,360
we need to say to say to trust that
there was something else or something

1254
01:42:05,119 --> 01:42:13,280
going on that we weren't privy to.
We can wish everyone well and move

1255
01:42:11,119 --> 01:42:16,560
forward. That action would indicate to
me that our district and our students

1256
01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:19,920
are not being politicized. That we are
working to ensure that we raise

1257
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:22,880
politically minded students, not
students that are bullying, harassing,

1258
01:42:21,360 --> 01:42:26,719
or intimidating others whether they're
aware of it or not. And I don't believe

1259
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:30,080
these kids were aware of it. So, I will
state it again. I'd like to see

1260
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:33,920
something added to this effort that
addresses our social and emotional

1261
01:42:31,520 --> 01:42:38,159
well-being follow-up. I know so far I've
mentioned only one person has asked if

1262
01:42:36,320 --> 01:42:43,600
we were okay after all that and how did
we feel cuz it was frightening.

1263
01:42:41,199 --> 01:42:47,600
only one person.
So,

1264
01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:52,400
I will leave it up to staff to frame
that and I look forward to understanding

1265
01:42:49,280 --> 01:42:56,560
how this can be improved.
>> Thank you.

1266
01:42:54,239 --> 01:42:58,960
» You can move I'll go around again for
comments.

1267
01:42:57,280 --> 01:43:02,320
» Can we make our comments before or would
you like to go Mr. Hills? I didn't know

1268
01:43:00,719 --> 01:43:05,440
if you were trying to go last. That's
the only reason I asked.

1269
01:43:03,840 --> 01:43:06,960
» I know, but I just was wondering because
you'd asked to go to the other room if

1270
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:10,400
you wanted to.
>> No, I mixed it up. I made a comment

1271
01:43:08,639 --> 01:43:14,080
next.
Okay.

1272
01:43:12,400 --> 01:43:18,159
» Uh yes, me will go first.
>> Okay. So, first of all, I'd like to say

1273
01:43:15,440 --> 01:43:22,400
that um being a student in LBUSD is a
privilege, right? We have endless

1274
01:43:19,920 --> 01:43:25,679
opportunities, incredible staff. I'm
pretty sure all of us have at least

1275
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:30,639
found one great friend and teacher we
can turn to for um support and advice

1276
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:34,560
whenever we need it. I know Logan and I
can relate when we say we have the same

1277
01:43:32,320 --> 01:43:37,360
teacher in mind. Um teachers also
encourage individualism. They encourage

1278
01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:41,520
us to express our thoughts, our
concerns, and speak our mind when we

1279
01:43:39,280 --> 01:43:44,719
feel that there's something unjust. If
protesting is the way that students feel

1280
01:43:43,360 --> 01:43:49,920
is necessary, then it should be
encouraged. I would also like to define

1281
01:43:48,159 --> 01:43:52,719
what a peaceful protest is. So, it's a
public gathering where people use

1282
01:43:51,119 --> 01:43:56,480
non-violent methods to express their
views, share a message, or demand social

1283
01:43:54,400 --> 01:44:02,400
and political change. Key features of
this are no violence, unarmed, and in

1284
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:05,920
public spaces, which when the school is
turned into a civic center, it becomes

1285
01:44:03,840 --> 01:44:09,760
public property.
And common methods of this are marches,

1286
01:44:07,840 --> 01:44:13,840
rallies, signs and banners, boycots or
sitins

1287
01:44:11,360 --> 01:44:18,480
in terms of so I also don't necessarily
appreciate my words being taken out of

1288
01:44:16,000 --> 01:44:21,119
context and used against what I believe.
Okay.

1289
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:23,760
» Um so I would like to set the record
straight as to what I said in the

1290
01:44:22,400 --> 01:44:27,440
governance committee.
>> When I said that students don't

1291
01:44:25,440 --> 01:44:32,000
necessarily know what a school board is,
I didn't mean that they didn't know what

1292
01:44:30,320 --> 01:44:36,800
they were protesting for. I'm sure all
the parents here correctly educated

1293
01:44:34,320 --> 01:44:42,480
their kids on what was going on and why
coming to a protest would be meaningful.

1294
01:44:40,080 --> 01:44:47,360
I also want to make it known that as
most of you or all of you here know, Dr.

1295
01:44:44,639 --> 01:44:52,400
Glass has kids. So most some of those
kids must have been friends with him and

1296
01:44:49,360 --> 01:44:56,880
friends with his kids and must have seen
the unjustice that their friend's father

1297
01:44:54,560 --> 01:44:59,760
was facing. And I also believe that
first amendment rights were taught at a

1298
01:44:58,080 --> 01:45:02,400
very young age. For what I can remember,
fourth grade is when I started learning

1299
01:45:01,040 --> 01:45:05,440
about my first amendment rights. Right
in the same time that elections were

1300
01:45:03,760 --> 01:45:11,119
happening, I was my fourth grade class
governor. And then co hit so I could

1301
01:45:06,960 --> 01:45:15,920
unfortunately not, you know, continue on
my time as a officer to the fifth grade

1302
01:45:14,239 --> 01:45:18,880
class. And also many students have come
and spoken at board meetings whether

1303
01:45:17,199 --> 01:45:21,440
that be regarding the pool or stating
that they love their teachers. So I

1304
01:45:20,400 --> 01:45:26,239
don't think it's fair to say that
students did not necessarily know what

1305
01:45:22,960 --> 01:45:29,199
they were coming to speak for. If I
don't know if you have heard that

1306
01:45:27,360 --> 01:45:31,520
parents have forced their kids to come
and protest for something they were

1307
01:45:30,320 --> 01:45:36,239
unaware of, I think then that's a
different situation. But saying that

1308
01:45:33,600 --> 01:45:39,280
kids were, you know, didn't know what
they were protesting for and don't know

1309
01:45:37,679 --> 01:45:41,520
what a school board is, I agree. A lot
of students don't know what a school

1310
01:45:40,239 --> 01:45:44,800
board is, but I think the students that
were here know what a school board is

1311
01:45:43,360 --> 01:45:47,280
and most of them have been to a meeting
and have public commented before. So, I

1312
01:45:46,239 --> 01:45:52,080
just wanted to make all of that very
clear.

1313
01:45:49,360 --> 01:45:57,280
As for my comments, I mean, I think what
Sumia has just talked about in relation

1314
01:45:53,760 --> 01:46:00,719
to it being factually true that uh young
students in the district are aware of

1315
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:06,320
what a schoolboard is and what school
we're members of, I can personally

1316
01:46:01,840 --> 01:46:11,199
attest to this that I during my
freshman year and into my sophomore year

1317
01:46:08,080 --> 01:46:17,360
taught a LBHS mUN program at the high
school or at the UW, excuse me, with

1318
01:46:14,560 --> 01:46:20,239
fourth and fifth graders where I was
asked questions all the time about what

1319
01:46:18,880 --> 01:46:25,760
was a school board member that we had
the then school board member Carter

1320
01:46:22,159 --> 01:46:28,239
McKenzie and um Kate Hennessy speak to
them so they could get a better

1321
01:46:26,960 --> 01:46:31,040
definition of the role. They was
actually offered to have a potential

1322
01:46:29,520 --> 01:46:35,679
field trip to the class to go to a board
meeting so they could better understand

1323
01:46:32,560 --> 01:46:41,520
civic engagement. And I think that's
just something really important to clear

1324
01:46:37,679 --> 01:46:45,040
up is that beyond whether it's factually
true or not, whether students are aware

1325
01:46:43,760 --> 01:46:50,639
of what a school board is and what a
school board member is. I'm really

1326
01:46:48,560 --> 01:46:55,199
really concerned with your remarks,
President Morgan. It's so dimminionative

1327
01:46:52,639 --> 01:46:58,639
to insinuate that kids, it's not even
insinuation. You're just flat out saying

1328
01:46:56,560 --> 01:47:00,960
that little kids only care about crayons
and that's the only thing that's

1329
01:46:59,679 --> 01:47:04,560
important to them in a district. You
know what's important to them in a

1330
01:47:02,080 --> 01:47:07,520
district when they're constantly seeing
leadership change, when they're

1331
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:12,880
constantly seeing unrest in schools,
when they're hearing teachers talk about

1332
01:47:09,280 --> 01:47:17,440
the inappropriate actions of the board.
The fact that little kids are even

1333
01:47:14,719 --> 01:47:22,800
remotely aware of it just completely
gives more insight into how the board

1334
01:47:20,080 --> 01:47:27,760
majority and you in particular refuse to
have any level of introspection about

1335
01:47:25,760 --> 01:47:32,560
maybe we're doing something wrong that's
causing the community and kids to react

1336
01:47:29,440 --> 01:47:37,119
in this way. And
the other thing is this is a clear path

1337
01:47:35,360 --> 01:47:41,760
to why protests happen. You described
the protest as angry and hostile.

1338
01:47:39,840 --> 01:47:45,119
Protests happen and this particular
protest happened in particular in

1339
01:47:43,280 --> 01:47:48,239
relation to the students because they
felt like their voices weren't being

1340
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:52,239
heard. They felt like their voices
weren't being heard about graduation

1341
01:47:49,520 --> 01:47:56,159
when the board blatantly disregarded or
the board majority I should say

1342
01:47:53,440 --> 01:47:59,360
blatantly disregarded a survey where
students clearly expressed their views

1343
01:47:57,920 --> 01:48:05,119
about the desired outcome that they had
which related exclusively to them

1344
01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:09,199
and the board completely disregarded it.
Students at this meeting and at the May

1345
01:48:07,440 --> 01:48:13,440
14th meeting spoke about how they had
felt like their voices were not being

1346
01:48:10,639 --> 01:48:17,920
heard. And
you know the another definition that I

1347
01:48:15,520 --> 01:48:22,560
would like to add on is the definition
of targeting. Targeting is the act of

1348
01:48:20,639 --> 01:48:25,600
focusing an action, message or resource
on a specific person, group or

1349
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:30,320
objective.
>> In this case, the target of the protest

1350
01:48:28,400 --> 01:48:32,960
is the board majority because students
in particular, and I can't speak on

1351
01:48:31,760 --> 01:48:36,960
everyone's motive for going to the
protest, but this is what students have

1352
01:48:34,400 --> 01:48:40,560
expressed to me as their representative
because they didn't feel like their

1353
01:48:38,239 --> 01:48:44,880
voice was being heard. And this is ev
this is so clearly evident in the

1354
01:48:42,639 --> 01:48:48,639
district. It's seen at all levels.
Whether it's someone who's in fourth

1355
01:48:46,719 --> 01:48:53,840
grade or whether it's someone who's in
12th grade. It you cannot just

1356
01:48:51,119 --> 01:48:59,679
characterize little kids as not knowing
what schoolboard members are

1357
01:48:57,760 --> 01:49:06,159
because it's just it's not fair. It's an
insult to their intelligence. And on a

1358
01:49:02,719 --> 01:49:10,000
second uh note, they may not know what a
school board member is, but they

1359
01:49:07,920 --> 01:49:13,360
certainly know what unkindness and abuse
of power looks like. It's one of the

1360
01:49:12,000 --> 01:49:17,199
number one things that's taught in
history classes. It's one of the most

1361
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:21,520
commonly things talked about in America.
You go in any place anywhere in the

1362
01:49:19,280 --> 01:49:27,520
world. The only place where we have
conversations about, you know, liberty

1363
01:49:24,239 --> 01:49:31,520
and freedom as commonplace as we do is
here. It's such a fundamental part of

1364
01:49:29,760 --> 01:49:37,440
not only our democracy, but it's a part
of our culture. And I I just feel like

1365
01:49:35,679 --> 01:49:42,960
this is such a testament to members of
the board majorities being blinded by

1366
01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:47,760
righteousness where there's such an odd
sentiment about how they're they're

1367
01:49:45,679 --> 01:49:52,800
being wronged somehow by students
wanting to participate in our democratic

1368
01:49:50,320 --> 01:49:58,080
system. And then to talk about how
parents are not correctly managing their

1369
01:49:56,159 --> 01:50:03,119
children's behavior simply because they
disagree with you. I don't I didn't hear

1370
01:50:00,800 --> 01:50:07,760
anyone talking about how parents are
mismanaging their students when we had

1371
01:50:05,280 --> 01:50:13,119
students who were sending nasty comments
to fuel members on Instagram.

1372
01:50:10,639 --> 01:50:19,679
That there was never an address or an
addressment of of that. So,

1373
01:50:16,000 --> 01:50:24,639
I I just think this investigation
does not have to do with safety. I think

1374
01:50:21,199 --> 01:50:29,440
it has clearly an ulterior motive. And I
think just doing my job and duty to

1375
01:50:27,840 --> 01:50:36,159
represent to the students, it just needs
to be spoken about how unbelievably

1376
01:50:32,719 --> 01:50:39,920
unfair and insulting it is to have the
continued remarks. I remember there was

1377
01:50:37,920 --> 01:50:44,080
a time last year when I was speaking to
you directly, President Morgan, about

1378
01:50:41,440 --> 01:50:48,560
how you had insinuated that my views and
the views of my then colleague and

1379
01:50:45,920 --> 01:50:53,760
student board member Ivy Dabs were some
fuel proposed, you know, facts that we

1380
01:50:51,280 --> 01:50:58,400
were just being told what to say. It's
ridiculous. It's insanely insulting and

1381
01:50:56,400 --> 01:51:02,800
it's just the word I love the words that
Miss Hansen used. It's unacceptable.

1382
01:51:00,639 --> 01:51:06,239
It's not something that we stand for in
this community. It's not something we

1383
01:51:04,480 --> 01:51:11,400
stand for as students and it is
certainly not something that we should

1384
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:11,400
stand for as Americans.

1385
01:51:14,880 --> 01:51:18,159
» Did you already speak? You already
spoke.

1386
01:51:16,639 --> 01:51:21,639
» You did. Okay, Howard, I'm sorry. Your
It's your turn

1387
01:51:22,800 --> 01:51:27,760
» on this
>> first part.

1388
01:51:26,239 --> 01:51:29,440
» Okay. So, then you want to have two
comments?

1389
01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:32,320
» She said she was going to go around
again. That's

1390
01:51:30,000 --> 01:51:36,159
» Howard, you have the floor.
I'm I'm out of sequence of what I

1391
01:51:34,400 --> 01:51:37,920
normally do and that's my apologies.
>> Yeah.

1392
01:51:36,639 --> 01:51:41,520
» But it's you have the floor.
>> So I was just trying to establish am I

1393
01:51:40,000 --> 01:51:43,040
the only member that hasn't made
comments yet?

1394
01:51:42,560 --> 01:51:49,599
» Yes.
>> Okay. Thank you.

1395
01:51:45,199 --> 01:51:54,960
» Well, uh, a lot to unpack here. Um,
want to clarify a couple of things.

1396
01:51:52,320 --> 01:52:01,280
One is that uh
you know I was really glad that Joan

1397
01:51:57,920 --> 01:52:07,040
mentioned toqueville and and uh I agree
with you Logan. I nothing you said that

1398
01:52:03,520 --> 01:52:12,639
I don't agree with. Um in fact I don't
agree I don't disagree with anything

1399
01:52:08,639 --> 01:52:19,920
that I heard anybody say tonight. Uh but
um it's interesting because

1400
01:52:17,280 --> 01:52:25,760
the uh you know I've always quoted the
saying that uh it's in the clash of

1401
01:52:21,920 --> 01:52:31,679
opinion that freedom rings and we want
protest and we want and I just want to

1402
01:52:28,400 --> 01:52:37,920
clarify my comments were not critical of
the parents that were here that day. My

1403
01:52:34,639 --> 01:52:42,080
comments were exactly what I was saying,
the same thing Joan was saying, although

1404
01:52:39,520 --> 01:52:47,599
he said it differently. I'm saying if
you bring your kids, you know, make sure

1405
01:52:44,639 --> 01:52:52,560
they know what the what the I used to
participate. I used to march with Martin

1406
01:52:50,080 --> 01:52:58,159
Luther King, Caesar Chavez before he
became uh politically controversial. Um,

1407
01:52:55,760 --> 01:53:04,159
and um, I've been involved in civil
rights demonstrations for 50 years. And

1408
01:53:02,719 --> 01:53:09,520
one of the things that when I was a
teenager here in Lagouna Beach and we

1409
01:53:06,560 --> 01:53:13,920
were going to go do a demonstration, um,
you know, the the adults got everybody

1410
01:53:11,679 --> 01:53:18,000
together and made sure everybody
understood what what to do and what not

1411
01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:22,800
to do and how if things get out of
control, how to handle the things and um

1412
01:53:20,960 --> 01:53:29,040
and so that's very much a part of it and
that's what I was speaking to and I was

1413
01:53:25,840 --> 01:53:35,520
asking questions because I wanted the
school to do a better job of making sure

1414
01:53:33,440 --> 01:53:39,360
that people in the public who are
protesting so that they can exercise

1415
01:53:37,440 --> 01:53:45,360
their rights, they have an orderly
situation and they have a predictable

1416
01:53:41,760 --> 01:53:50,159
situation. And um so that's what I was
commenting to the superintendent that we

1417
01:53:47,040 --> 01:53:54,880
need a chain of command so that um there
can be predictable outcomes for

1418
01:53:52,719 --> 01:53:58,719
predictable behavior. And that's a way
of actually I mean if you look at how

1419
01:53:56,880 --> 01:54:03,679
this is done that's the way you protect
the right to protest and you Yeah. So

1420
01:54:01,440 --> 01:54:08,159
anyway I won't belabor me for I do have
a couple comments I want to make. Um

1421
01:54:06,000 --> 01:54:15,119
first of all
uh

1422
01:54:09,679 --> 01:54:20,880
the by board bylaw uh 9124 and education
code section 35204

1423
01:54:18,320 --> 01:54:25,679
specifically authorized district council
and designated advisers to provide

1424
01:54:23,119 --> 01:54:32,800
precisely the kind offormational and
advisory report that was was requested

1425
01:54:28,800 --> 01:54:37,520
and and um and prepared. So this was a
very routine thing to do and it could be

1426
01:54:35,520 --> 01:54:42,320
and it has been done and it will be done
in the future with regard to matters

1427
01:54:39,920 --> 01:54:49,360
that are completely non-controversial
uh and and as well as uh issues that are

1428
01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:54,080
controversial. Um the board action on
September 10th releasing 10th releasing

1429
01:54:51,520 --> 01:54:57,040
the report did not adopt or ratify its
findings, conclusions or

1430
01:54:55,199 --> 01:55:01,840
recommendations. Rather the board
decided public's discussion of instance

1431
01:54:59,360 --> 01:55:07,040
in incidences at thirst middle school
should be informed by many facts

1432
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:10,719
documented in the report.
Uh the board will deter determine how

1433
01:55:09,360 --> 01:55:18,960
the district should address issues
arising um from the report if any. Um

1434
01:55:16,480 --> 01:55:25,840
the I think one thing I would observe is
that we can say that the rights of the

1435
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:33,920
protesters were respected. I was here
and I was glad to see that freedom of

1436
01:55:30,000 --> 01:55:37,599
speech was respected. The protesters got
to do what they wanted to do in the way

1437
01:55:35,840 --> 01:55:43,280
they wanted to do it and they got to
express themselves and that was good.

1438
01:55:40,480 --> 01:55:48,480
But one of the things that um Joan
mentioned when she was talking about

1439
01:55:44,400 --> 01:55:57,040
Dtoqueville is associative rights and um
that's what was not protected on Mayuh

1440
01:55:52,719 --> 01:56:02,639
14th and um associative rights uh are
embodied in the first amendment with

1441
01:55:59,280 --> 01:56:07,520
equivalence with free speech. So, you
might not want to listen to this, but

1442
01:56:05,360 --> 01:56:13,119
this is where I'm coming from and came
from from on the day that this occurred.

1443
01:56:11,360 --> 01:56:19,760
You have free speech under the first
amendment. You also have freedom of

1444
01:56:16,560 --> 01:56:24,960
assembly and the Supreme Court has
interpreted that to be associative

1445
01:56:22,080 --> 01:56:30,239
rights and it involves the rights of
labor unions. It involved to to

1446
01:56:26,960 --> 01:56:35,760
associate and to assemble peaceibly.
Just as the right of freedom of speech

1447
01:56:33,040 --> 01:56:41,360
has to be it has to be possible for you
to freely exercise it without being

1448
01:56:38,239 --> 01:56:46,880
impeded. The right of association and
assembly is has is an equivalent right

1449
01:56:44,320 --> 01:56:52,320
in the first amendment. And that's where
we had a breakdown on May 14th. So I'm

1450
01:56:49,920 --> 01:56:56,960
very critical of the report. I think the
report missed missed the uh the point.

1451
01:56:55,440 --> 01:57:03,360
People talk tonight about missing the
point. I think the investigators missed

1452
01:56:59,360 --> 01:57:10,080
the point and that is that the the
difference between freedom of speech and

1453
01:57:06,000 --> 01:57:17,040
freedom of assembly and respect for both
uh broke down at a couple of different

1454
01:57:12,960 --> 01:57:23,199
points. It broke down at the point where
you have a situation where the report

1455
01:57:19,520 --> 01:57:28,960
says that D had five feet separation
from the crowd.

1456
01:57:25,280 --> 01:57:34,239
So okay, so 5T separation of the crowd.
So they use the wrong standard of proof.

1457
01:57:32,239 --> 01:57:40,159
They said that they use the
preponderance of the evidence standard

1458
01:57:36,320 --> 01:57:44,080
to evaluate whether D was prevented from
exercising her right of assembly. In

1459
01:57:41,920 --> 01:57:50,480
other words, De had a first amendment
right to get out of her car and to walk

1460
01:57:47,199 --> 01:57:55,119
in here and participate in the meeting
like she's done for 12 years. That was a

1461
01:57:53,360 --> 01:57:59,040
constitutional right of protected just
as much by the first amendment as the

1462
01:57:56,880 --> 01:58:03,440
freedom of speech of the protesters. So
the question is why did the

1463
01:58:01,440 --> 01:58:08,639
investigators use a preponderance of
evidence? That's the wrong standard. The

1464
01:58:05,760 --> 01:58:15,199
correct standard of proof is the but for
standard. And the question is,

1465
01:58:11,599 --> 01:58:20,400
would D have had a problem
getting here and exercising her right to

1466
01:58:17,520 --> 01:58:24,560
freedom of assembly freely,
but for the crowd that made it

1467
01:58:22,880 --> 01:58:29,280
impossible for her to do that, at least
for a period of time. So, you could say,

1468
01:58:26,239 --> 01:58:33,760
well, okay, she was detained. She was uh
she was delayed. she was not she wasn't

1469
01:58:32,000 --> 01:58:38,960
able to freely exercise her right of
assembly but it only lasted for you know

1470
01:58:36,719 --> 01:58:45,119
a few seconds and then she was free to
go. So then you ask yourself is that our

1471
01:58:41,840 --> 01:58:49,440
standard is our standard that uh if
somebody was wanting to exercise their

1472
01:58:46,719 --> 01:58:53,280
right of free speech and I came up to
them and shouted them down so that they

1473
01:58:51,840 --> 01:58:56,719
couldn't exercise their right of free
speech, would that be interfering with

1474
01:58:55,199 --> 01:59:00,480
their right of free speech? What I'm
saying is that it would be and you have

1475
01:58:58,639 --> 01:59:05,599
to be able to freely exercise your first
amendment rights and D was not freely

1476
01:59:03,280 --> 01:59:09,920
able to exercise her first amendment
right to freedom of assembly. Yeah, it

1477
01:59:07,840 --> 01:59:14,320
was that the detainment did not go on
and on. She eventually got in her but I

1478
01:59:12,480 --> 01:59:18,880
videotaped her being carried through the
door by uh Ketta Brown and I went up to

1479
01:59:16,960 --> 01:59:23,880
Ketta Brown and thanked her for helping
de get out of that situation that she

1480
01:59:20,719 --> 01:59:23,880
was in.

1481
01:59:24,400 --> 01:59:27,880
And um

1482
01:59:28,080 --> 01:59:31,080
so

1483
01:59:32,560 --> 01:59:42,239
and I I would comment if you would need
to conceptualize that more. Imagine if

1484
01:59:39,360 --> 01:59:46,239
there were a meeting here of trans
students and trans parents who were

1485
01:59:44,560 --> 01:59:52,880
trying to come in here and have a
meeting and and or a meeting uh where

1486
01:59:50,960 --> 01:59:57,920
people of color in the community were
trying to assemble to address their

1487
01:59:54,159 --> 02:00:02,560
agendas and and and there was a a crowd
of people that opposed them and

1488
02:00:00,800 --> 02:00:08,639
prevented them from freely entering the
building. um that is uh you know an

1489
02:00:06,080 --> 02:00:12,480
analogous analogous situation that could
have occurred and if it did I think that

1490
02:00:10,639 --> 02:00:18,639
we would recognize it as such and I just
think that we need to recognize that

1491
02:00:14,560 --> 02:00:25,679
de's freedom of assembly was um was
interfered with. I also want to uh add

1492
02:00:22,719 --> 02:00:30,560
that um some of the comments that were
made tonight.

1493
02:00:28,000 --> 02:00:39,040
You know, it is true
that we uh have a contract with Dr.

1494
02:00:37,360 --> 02:00:44,800
Glass.
Uh we have an agreement with Dr. Glass.

1495
02:00:42,480 --> 02:00:50,480
And it sets forth the mutually agreed
terms under which he left. And one of

1496
02:00:47,599 --> 02:00:58,639
those mutually agreed terms is that we
can't make disparaging comments about

1497
02:00:52,159 --> 02:01:04,719
him. We can't talk about uh what we um
uh what was meeting our expectations and

1498
02:01:02,159 --> 02:01:08,639
what wasn't meeting our expectations. He
can't talk about what was meeting his

1499
02:01:06,719 --> 02:01:15,280
expectations and what wasn't meeting his
expectations. Um and so it puts us in a

1500
02:01:12,719 --> 02:01:19,840
difficult situation when we're told you
were cruel to this person or you you

1501
02:01:17,520 --> 02:01:24,719
were you know you you were acted in a
way that was unjust. Um, I don't believe

1502
02:01:22,880 --> 02:01:29,280
that we acted in a way that was unjust.
I don't believe that we acted in a way

1503
02:01:26,080 --> 02:01:35,040
that was cruel. Um, I think he was not
fired for cause. He was not um

1504
02:01:32,239 --> 02:01:40,719
terminated without cause. Um, his
employment ended based on a mutually

1505
02:01:36,960 --> 02:01:46,880
agreed terms. And um, so we have a lot
of um, a narrative going uh, that u puts

1506
02:01:45,040 --> 02:01:53,520
us in a situation where we can listen to
the community, but we can't necessarily

1507
02:01:49,760 --> 02:01:59,840
respond. Um and uh that goes to a lot of
issues. Um at last at the last meeting I

1508
02:01:56,880 --> 02:02:08,560
called in and I talked about the fact
that um uh for example

1509
02:02:03,760 --> 02:02:15,280
uh it was characterized that Dr. Glass
did not refer the audit report to the

1510
02:02:11,119 --> 02:02:22,560
DA. I read his December 13th email in
which he explained that he had um

1511
02:02:19,040 --> 02:02:26,880
referred the um uh the audit report to
the DA. He did did it by himself

1512
02:02:25,040 --> 02:02:32,159
unilaterally. It wasn't in conjunction
with the board president or the board

1513
02:02:28,480 --> 02:02:38,320
majority. Um and I read his email in
which he was fairly blunt and accusatory

1514
02:02:35,599 --> 02:02:43,760
about the audit being uh recognizing a
problem. I just want to read to you um

1515
02:02:41,840 --> 02:02:48,239
very briefly. Um
>> this is not on the agenda.

1516
02:02:46,080 --> 02:02:51,360
» Well, what's on the agenda is the same
thing that you talked about.

1517
02:02:49,520 --> 02:02:57,280
» It's the May 14th protest.
>> Well,

1518
02:02:53,920 --> 02:03:02,960
in that context, um you raised issues
about um whether or not we are

1519
02:02:59,599 --> 02:03:07,679
communicating to the public on matters
including uh the subject that was

1520
02:03:05,520 --> 02:03:10,400
protested on May, which was the which
was Dr. glasses termination. So this is

1521
02:03:09,679 --> 02:03:15,040
germanine to the
>> but that doesn't mean you get to go in.

1522
02:03:12,000 --> 02:03:19,520
» It is gerine to the agenda item control
of the meeting.

1523
02:03:16,239 --> 02:03:23,440
» I Yes, I do. As long as I can have you
respectfully wait to be recognized, then

1524
02:03:21,360 --> 02:03:27,280
I will also have control of the meeting.
>> And let me and let me let me

1525
02:03:24,719 --> 02:03:33,440
» Howard is asking to address it. Um the
investigation was based on um the mutual

1526
02:03:31,119 --> 02:03:35,599
separation. This report is about the
safety.

1527
02:03:33,920 --> 02:03:40,400
» That's what the May 14th protest was
about. safety let me the safety excuse

1528
02:03:38,320 --> 02:03:44,880
me the safety
and procedural aspects of the meeting

1529
02:03:42,639 --> 02:03:50,960
are the topic of the re of the report
I'm sorry we have all we have all

1530
02:03:47,520 --> 02:03:55,679
contributed comments that are beyond
that that are relevant to the event in

1531
02:03:53,280 --> 02:03:57,599
and of itself so because everyone has
made those comments I will allow Go

1532
02:03:57,280 --> 02:04:00,880
ahead
>> well I'm sorry but my comments

1533
02:03:59,040 --> 02:04:04,480
» move the agenda move the agenda is there
a second

1534
02:04:02,239 --> 02:04:07,119
» so the second we need to vote on that
>> okay all in favor on moving the agenda.

1535
02:04:06,719 --> 02:04:09,119
» I
>> I

1536
02:04:07,760 --> 02:04:11,280
» All opposed.
>> I No.

1537
02:04:10,159 --> 02:04:15,599
» No. Thank you.
>> We didn't do the student vote. Um it's

1538
02:04:13,679 --> 02:04:18,800
» pro provisional vote.
>> I

1539
02:04:17,440 --> 02:04:20,639
» thank you.
>> So,

1540
02:04:19,440 --> 02:04:23,880
» please continue. Howard.
>> Yeah. Uh

1541
02:04:24,560 --> 02:04:32,639
this this my comments right now are
gerine to the subject because audience

1542
02:04:30,000 --> 02:04:37,199
and other board members and the topic
itself relate to the termination of Dr.

1543
02:04:35,440 --> 02:04:38,639
Glass. We clarified that. Go ahead.
Justify this.

1544
02:04:37,760 --> 02:04:43,199
» We've clarified that. Go ahead.
>> What I want to comment is that while Dr.

1545
02:04:41,679 --> 02:04:50,320
Glass
uh sent the audit report to the DA and

1546
02:04:46,800 --> 02:04:56,960
um stated that um I'll read it. This is
Dr. Glass to the DA uh to D explaining

1547
02:04:53,520 --> 02:05:01,360
what he said to the DA. Um
I identified myself as superintendent

1548
02:04:59,040 --> 02:05:05,679
and wrote that our healthc care spending
exceeded the level specified in the

1549
02:05:03,599 --> 02:05:10,560
bargaining agreement and our
associations

1550
02:05:07,280 --> 02:05:14,560
uh accumulating uh over $1 million over
several years. I reported that we

1551
02:05:12,480 --> 02:05:19,520
completed an internal investigation and
con consulted with counsel and was

1552
02:05:17,760 --> 02:05:24,000
advised to report the issue to the
district attorney's office. I also said

1553
02:05:21,599 --> 02:05:28,159
we were available. So that's what that's
what Dr. Glass said to the DA and I just

1554
02:05:26,639 --> 02:05:32,000
want to read what um
>> keep it on May 14th. So I

1555
02:05:29,920 --> 02:05:38,719
» Yeah. No, I'm coming back to that. Okay.
um uh the the the communication that

1556
02:05:35,520 --> 02:05:44,239
went from the board president to the DA
after the board president found out that

1557
02:05:41,440 --> 02:05:47,520
that um Glass had sent it on his own
without consulting with the board

1558
02:05:45,679 --> 02:05:53,520
president. The board president then
wrote to the DA and said this. The

1559
02:05:51,119 --> 02:05:58,639
content of this referral is not in the
nature of allegations, but information

1560
02:05:56,560 --> 02:06:02,639
intended to support impartial and
competent assessment of this matter by

1561
02:06:00,800 --> 02:06:08,719
duly authorized state or federal
compliance and enforcement.

1562
02:06:05,040 --> 02:06:13,440
And it goes on to say that we make no
assumptions about the legal implications

1563
02:06:11,119 --> 02:06:19,199
of the reports, audit reports, findings
and related communications. So the point

1564
02:06:16,080 --> 02:06:24,239
is u there was not an injustice or there
was not a a roughshot treatment of um

1565
02:06:22,560 --> 02:06:31,040
the superintendent. And the last point I
want to make is this. Member Malchesy

1566
02:06:28,320 --> 02:06:37,440
uh talked about being condescending and
and uh arrogant or inappropriate or

1567
02:06:33,760 --> 02:06:43,599
whatever for um uh uh for me to suggest
that parents need to understand the

1568
02:06:39,440 --> 02:06:52,079
rules so that they can properly uh uh
enable the students to participate in

1569
02:06:47,040 --> 02:06:58,960
protests. And um yet when there was a
controversy that involved her and her

1570
02:06:54,560 --> 02:07:05,280
family, she filed a a furpa uh complaint
against people for violating the rights

1571
02:07:01,679 --> 02:07:10,880
of uh students and the board council
investigated it and the board council

1572
02:07:07,440 --> 02:07:15,679
reported there was no furer violation.
So on one hand, she's in here saying

1573
02:07:13,040 --> 02:07:20,239
that we shouldn't advise parents that
they need to get educated and understand

1574
02:07:17,920 --> 02:07:26,239
and competently protect their kids and
make sure they can participate in

1575
02:07:22,239 --> 02:07:30,480
protest and do it safely. Uh when she
was the parent involved in that

1576
02:07:27,840 --> 02:07:36,400
situation, um she filed a complaint
because she didn't understand what her

1577
02:07:33,199 --> 02:07:40,400
stu her her students rights were. And so
here I am saying parents need to

1578
02:07:38,880 --> 02:07:44,800
understand their students rights so they
can protect those rights and enable

1579
02:07:42,400 --> 02:07:48,239
participation in protest. And when she
was when the shoe was on the other foot,

1580
02:07:47,119 --> 02:07:52,320
she um
>> Howard file he's wrapping up and then it

1581
02:07:51,599 --> 02:07:55,199
will be your turn.
>> I I suggest that you stop talking about

1582
02:07:54,800 --> 02:07:57,199
this.
>> Thank you.

1583
02:07:55,599 --> 02:08:00,639
» Well, I know you've always suggested
that you talk about everybody else's

1584
02:07:58,960 --> 02:08:03,280
personal situation, but you never want
anybody to talk about your

1585
02:08:02,079 --> 02:08:07,280
» because you're not going to like the
response. This is I need both of you to

1586
02:08:05,599 --> 02:08:10,000
contribute to the solution of keeping
this meeting under control. Howard, I

1587
02:08:08,800 --> 02:08:12,960
need you to wrap up because you are
starting to deviate a little bit even

1588
02:08:11,360 --> 02:08:16,159
though I understand your perspective of
how it's all entertained.

1589
02:08:14,480 --> 02:08:20,800
» I'm just trying to get some material on
the record which I've done and

1590
02:08:19,280 --> 02:08:26,400
» thank you very much. All right. So,
we've gone through one pass on comment.

1591
02:08:23,679 --> 02:08:30,480
Uh I will start again if anyone would
like to make a final comment before we

1592
02:08:28,159 --> 02:08:33,800
move on. Stu, I will start with the
students first.

1593
02:08:35,199 --> 02:08:42,400
No. Okay.
>> You don't have any. Okay. Um, Dr. Kelly,

1594
02:08:40,800 --> 02:08:45,199
» I don't know why the investigators did
not understand what they were supposed

1595
02:08:43,599 --> 02:08:50,079
to do, Howard, because you took half of
my time. So, you had an hour and a half

1596
02:08:47,679 --> 02:08:55,199
to to explain to them. I had 30 30
minutes

1597
02:08:51,840 --> 02:08:59,599
» and it is the building. Okay. Howard and
the building closed at 4:00. I was on

1598
02:08:57,360 --> 02:09:03,119
their clock. I didn't set the clock. I
responded to their questions and when

1599
02:09:01,440 --> 02:09:08,400
they were done with me then they excuse
me so my I didn't interfere with your

1600
02:09:06,400 --> 02:09:09,599
» Mr. Hillsation
that I

1601
02:09:08,800 --> 02:09:11,840
» Mr. Hills
>> interfered with his

1602
02:09:10,320 --> 02:09:15,440
» point of order please.
>> Thank you.

1603
02:09:12,880 --> 02:09:19,679
» President concerned about you continuing
to go on about the $3 million that we

1604
02:09:17,360 --> 02:09:23,840
invest in social emotional and that
somehow that social emotional folks are

1605
02:09:21,760 --> 02:09:28,560
responsible for not keeping under
control the children and the

1606
02:09:26,480 --> 02:09:33,520
demonstration. I mean, uh, I I think
it's just outrageous for you to keep

1607
02:09:30,639 --> 02:09:36,960
doing this. Uh, that $3 million is so
important for everything that we do in

1608
02:09:35,119 --> 02:09:41,040
this district, and it's been so
successful. We have not had a suicide

1609
02:09:39,520 --> 02:09:44,639
during the period of time, the seven
years, eight years I've been on this

1610
02:09:42,480 --> 02:09:50,159
board, and we've not had a major
altercation. So, we need to invest the

1611
02:09:47,199 --> 02:09:56,040
$3 million and even more so. And and you
need to keep doing what you're doing.

1612
02:09:51,920 --> 02:09:56,040
Um, thank you.

1613
02:09:56,400 --> 02:10:04,000
Thank you, Dr. Maleski.
>> So, again, I want to reiterate a couple

1614
02:10:01,440 --> 02:10:08,079
things. Um, the concerns that every time
a child expresses something you don't

1615
02:10:06,079 --> 02:10:12,719
like, you deny their agency. It's been
going on for two years. It's so unfair

1616
02:10:10,239 --> 02:10:16,960
to our students. You should also not be
surprised about the response from

1617
02:10:14,400 --> 02:10:21,679
students at this meetings. At this
meeting on May 14th, many of those

1618
02:10:19,679 --> 02:10:25,599
students were friends with Dr. glasses
children who went to school here at

1619
02:10:23,440 --> 02:10:30,320
Thirstston and you should be sympathetic
to that and I'm sorry de that your

1620
02:10:27,920 --> 02:10:35,119
feelings were hurt but that is why it is
important for students to protest and

1621
02:10:32,400 --> 02:10:40,480
exercise their dem democratic rights
because with free speech rights comes

1622
02:10:37,360 --> 02:10:46,400
responsibility and our job as a board
should have been to turn that into an

1623
02:10:42,960 --> 02:10:50,960
important lesson by talking about how we
reflected on what students said, how we

1624
02:10:49,360 --> 02:10:55,440
thought about the fact that there was
protest, how we wanted to have

1625
02:10:53,199 --> 02:11:00,800
conversations about how that protest
could be heard and processed and we

1626
02:10:58,719 --> 02:11:05,679
could acknowledge what the students did
in terms of exercising their free speech

1627
02:11:03,119 --> 02:11:11,199
rights. That would have been a beautiful
lesson in democracy. And instead, this

1628
02:11:08,960 --> 02:11:15,199
board majority instead of having an
educative moment, launched an

1629
02:11:13,040 --> 02:11:20,639
investigation that was targeted toward
parents, students, and staff. And it was

1630
02:11:17,599 --> 02:11:25,760
not about safety. And finally, Sherry,
you're using the wrong definition of

1631
02:11:22,400 --> 02:11:30,000
targeting. In its ordinary meaning, to
target someone simply means you direct

1632
02:11:27,760 --> 02:11:36,400
an action statement or criticism toward
that person. So like you have four kids.

1633
02:11:33,599 --> 02:11:40,159
If one of the four does something wrong
and you discipline the one, you're not

1634
02:11:38,400 --> 02:11:43,440
going to discipline all four of them.
You're going to discipline one of them.

1635
02:11:41,840 --> 02:11:48,800
That's not target that's that's
targeting them in a particular moment.

1636
02:11:46,320 --> 02:11:53,760
But an angry protester can direct
comments at an individual. That's not

1637
02:11:51,040 --> 02:11:59,760
bullying. You are confusing being the
target of a particular act and targeting

1638
02:11:57,119 --> 02:12:04,079
as a pattern of conduct, which we use in
psychology. Two totally different uses

1639
02:12:02,239 --> 02:12:09,199
of the word targeting and an
inappropriate use of it. It wasn't

1640
02:12:06,159 --> 02:12:13,440
bullying. It was targeting your actions
specifically because they were wrong.

1641
02:12:12,000 --> 02:12:18,480
Finally, you can claim that this
investigation is about safety, but this

1642
02:12:16,159 --> 02:12:24,239
the community has seen the Instagram
posts and anger is not bullying.

1643
02:12:23,360 --> 02:12:28,679
» That's it.
>> Thank you, member. Uh, Clerk Perry,

1644
02:12:30,800 --> 02:12:37,760
» I truly thought it was about safety and
it wasn't my feelings that were hurt. It

1645
02:12:36,000 --> 02:12:46,719
was my foot.
Um I and what really bothered me was the

1646
02:12:42,639 --> 02:12:53,040
hate signs. Not people being upset about
the decision, but the hate signs. I just

1647
02:12:50,159 --> 02:12:57,840
was really hurt that that was what
people

1648
02:12:54,960 --> 02:13:00,840
had out there and having having children
hold.

1649
02:13:01,280 --> 02:13:05,000
» Thank you, Clerk Perry.

1650
02:13:05,119 --> 02:13:07,760
I've got any final comments. I've got a
final comment then we're going to move

1651
02:13:07,599 --> 02:13:11,280
on.
>> Yeah, I I have one additional comment

1652
02:13:09,280 --> 02:13:14,560
that is that I agree with.
>> Hang on. I did not recognize you. I will

1653
02:13:13,040 --> 02:13:17,679
recognize you next.
>> Student board.

1654
02:13:16,159 --> 02:13:21,360
» I think if we're talking about examples
that are being set for the students, I

1655
02:13:19,040 --> 02:13:25,119
think the consistent need to regulate
the actions of some board members.

1656
02:13:23,360 --> 02:13:29,199
That's more of an example than parents
encouraging their kids to speak up for

1657
02:13:26,639 --> 02:13:32,800
what they believe in.
>> Thank you.

1658
02:13:31,040 --> 02:13:35,840
Member Marshall.
>> May I just cover what I was going to

1659
02:13:33,920 --> 02:13:38,400
talk about?
I'm sorry. What?

1660
02:13:37,040 --> 02:13:44,360
» Samia just did a great job. She covered
exactly what I was going to say.

1661
02:13:39,440 --> 02:13:44,360
» Thank you, Clerk. Um, member Hills,

1662
02:13:44,639 --> 02:13:52,400
» I'd just like to say that um, in the
prepared remarks I had that I didn't get

1663
02:13:48,239 --> 02:13:58,000
to, um, the uh,
uh, I've been a civil rights lawyer for

1664
02:13:54,639 --> 02:14:06,079
50 years and I believe that everything I
heard and saw from the protesters on May

1665
02:14:02,159 --> 02:14:12,480
14th was um, consistent with their
rights of free speech. I didn't see

1666
02:14:08,719 --> 02:14:17,760
anything or hear anything um that I
heard obscenities. I heard some

1667
02:14:14,159 --> 02:14:23,920
profanity. Um I did have comments that
were directed towards me that were

1668
02:14:20,239 --> 02:14:28,639
extremely vituporative and and um but
that's all freedom of speech. Having

1669
02:14:26,159 --> 02:14:32,800
people say things that are upsetting to
you or that are offensive to you or that

1670
02:14:30,719 --> 02:14:38,960
hurt your feelings or whatnot, that's
part of free speech. And so I agree with

1671
02:14:35,760 --> 02:14:44,480
uh Joan about that. I don't think I I I
I already had in my prepared remarks

1672
02:14:41,280 --> 02:14:50,079
that I thought um everything I saw and
heard was was consistent with the right

1673
02:14:46,320 --> 02:14:55,760
of free speech. As I stated earlier, I I
saw things and and recorded things that

1674
02:14:53,840 --> 02:15:00,159
were not consistent with the right of
freedom of association and freedom of

1675
02:14:58,079 --> 02:15:04,719
assembly. And I think those were
concerns that the investigators missed.

1676
02:15:02,480 --> 02:15:09,760
I also think that the investigators were
offt target um with respect to how they

1677
02:15:08,000 --> 02:15:16,000
described the role of staff and whether
or not staff had responsibility. Um uh

1678
02:15:13,280 --> 02:15:21,760
although we have said that the campus
was turned over at 3:30, um the fact is

1679
02:15:19,199 --> 02:15:28,000
that the site administrator uh stayed
involved in uh communicating and

1680
02:15:24,639 --> 02:15:32,320
coordinating with um uh people involved
in the protest and there was no

1681
02:15:30,320 --> 02:15:36,800
coordination with members of the board.
members of the board did not know what

1682
02:15:34,159 --> 02:15:40,400
they were walking into and other people
including people on the staff did know

1683
02:15:38,960 --> 02:15:43,760
what they were walking into. And it
would have been good if the board had

1684
02:15:42,000 --> 02:15:50,719
been advised of what they were walking
into. If if the staff uh and the

1685
02:15:47,920 --> 02:15:54,800
district and for that matter the police
had communicated to board members what

1686
02:15:52,800 --> 02:16:02,480
they knew and were communicating with
each other. the whole problem um of uh

1687
02:16:00,320 --> 02:16:06,480
uh freedom of assembly being interfered
with would not have occurred. And so

1688
02:16:04,719 --> 02:16:12,639
those are things that I think need to be
part of the record of this discussion.

1689
02:16:10,400 --> 02:16:17,520
» Thank you, Howard. Before we move on,
any last final comments? Okay, I would

1690
02:16:15,199 --> 02:16:23,920
like to make a couple of clarifications.
Um I uh I appreciate everyone's

1691
02:16:21,440 --> 02:16:28,960
comments. Um, I think that it's awfully
assumptive to assume that I don't

1692
02:16:25,520 --> 02:16:34,080
reflect. Um, I think that it's also fair
to say that as I've said before, um, we

1693
02:16:32,000 --> 02:16:43,200
represent the community, not just the
people in the room. Um, I am a parent,

1694
02:16:39,439 --> 02:16:46,559
so I take this stuff pretty seriously.
Um, when we talk about the students that

1695
02:16:45,280 --> 02:16:49,840
were there and they were aware of what
they were there for, I agree the fourth

1696
02:16:48,240 --> 02:16:53,439
and fifth graders might have had a
decent idea, but there were small

1697
02:16:51,760 --> 02:16:58,719
children there. There were young
children there. And as a board member, I

1698
02:16:56,479 --> 02:17:03,519
do have the ability and the right to
express my concern with what perception

1699
02:17:00,960 --> 02:17:08,399
these students are seeing.
That is the role of the board. So, I am

1700
02:17:06,080 --> 02:17:10,880
exercising that by stating that I am
concerned with some of these students

1701
02:17:09,760 --> 02:17:15,040
that will think that this kind of
behavior is acceptable.

1702
02:17:12,960 --> 02:17:18,800
We've decid we've determined right
frontal cortex development. What is the

1703
02:17:17,439 --> 02:17:24,800
interest of young children? Some
children are more advanced, some aren't

1704
02:17:21,760 --> 02:17:31,200
to try and politicize and then blow up a
comment. I I find very um unfortunate

1705
02:17:28,479 --> 02:17:35,840
because I do feel that we have gotten to
a point where we can't even disagree

1706
02:17:33,599 --> 02:17:41,280
civily. And I think that's the
underlying concern about this whole

1707
02:17:38,160 --> 02:17:46,479
thing is that I have been in this room
wherever it was for 15 16 years. I've

1708
02:17:44,639 --> 02:17:52,160
never seen anything like this. And we
have had serious issues like not opening

1709
02:17:49,920 --> 02:17:59,280
our schools, the calendar and what the
community is asking for the two the 2x3,

1710
02:17:54,719 --> 02:18:02,639
the 4x4. I've said all those before. Um
that does not mean I don't uphold

1711
02:18:00,800 --> 02:18:06,080
people's first amendment rights. It
means that I think as a very small

1712
02:18:04,319 --> 02:18:13,120
community, we are too small to be this
divided and the energy that is coming

1713
02:18:10,479 --> 02:18:18,800
out of May 14th and into the community.
Hey, political season, I get it. Um, but

1714
02:18:16,160 --> 02:18:24,880
it is really disheartening on all sides
to see um the effort and maybe it's not

1715
02:18:22,080 --> 02:18:29,599
the people sitting here directly um but
it's certainly people out there that

1716
02:18:26,080 --> 02:18:34,639
support either side and to say that it's
this board majority's fault. um is not

1717
02:18:32,479 --> 02:18:38,800
taking responsibility for the adults in
the room to come together and say how

1718
02:18:36,479 --> 02:18:43,920
can we resolve this and I have asked and
I have offered. So that's my final

1719
02:18:41,519 --> 02:18:50,040
comment on that. Uh moving on to item
7B, draft of 2027 board meeting dates.

1720
02:18:46,719 --> 02:18:50,040
Dr. Austin.

1721
02:18:51,200 --> 02:18:57,120
» Yeah, just so we're all on the same
page, this is not an action item. Uh it

1722
02:18:55,519 --> 02:19:04,080
will not be an action item until
December. So, um, right now we're trying

1723
02:19:00,960 --> 02:19:11,200
to again provide a long runway, make
sure that, uh, we capture thoughts now,

1724
02:19:08,160 --> 02:19:17,359
uh, for board meeting dates that, uh,
will will be held in the future. Um, we

1725
02:19:15,439 --> 02:19:25,359
thought giving everyone a look right now
might, uh, avoid some conflicts. If you

1726
02:19:21,040 --> 02:19:30,240
if anyone sees things that are uh either
personal or group or whatever kind of

1727
02:19:28,399 --> 02:19:34,800
conflict might exist or if you have
thoughts, this is the time to share

1728
02:19:31,599 --> 02:19:40,880
them. And I asked Miss Weber to walk us
through because there are some some uh

1729
02:19:37,840 --> 02:19:43,840
some changes, some different looks if if
it's a direction the board would like to

1730
02:19:42,240 --> 02:19:49,120
go.
>> Thank you. So, you'll notice first off

1731
02:19:46,240 --> 02:19:53,520
that we don't have um any recognitions
listed. We're looking at changing that

1732
02:19:50,720 --> 02:19:57,920
process. Again, we do have two meetings
listed in January with the second

1733
02:19:55,600 --> 02:20:02,800
meeting in January being held for a held
for a study session. There is no topic

1734
02:20:00,560 --> 02:20:06,560
listed with that as of yet. And if there
is nothing that needs to be brought

1735
02:20:04,399 --> 02:20:10,479
forward, we may request um cancelling
that meeting or changing it to a regular

1736
02:20:08,399 --> 02:20:15,439
meeting. But at this point, uh there may
be a need for a study session. One

1737
02:20:12,880 --> 02:20:20,319
meeting in February as always, two in
March. The April meeting is held uh

1738
02:20:18,800 --> 02:20:26,800
scheduled for the third meeting in
Wednesday in in sorry the third

1739
02:20:23,920 --> 02:20:30,800
Thursday due to Passover.
Two meetings in May going back to that

1740
02:20:28,800 --> 02:20:36,479
schedule to prepare for the LCAP
meetings in uh LCAP and budget meetings

1741
02:20:33,120 --> 02:20:42,080
in June. The June meeting being held the
first week due to school graduations and

1742
02:20:39,920 --> 02:20:48,399
propo promotion and other end of school
activities. The second week we are

1743
02:20:44,720 --> 02:20:54,399
proposing a no meeting or dark month for
the month of July.

1744
02:20:51,040 --> 02:20:59,680
August would be August 12th prior to the
first day of school and an if needed

1745
02:20:56,880 --> 02:21:03,760
meeting in August the 2nd for the second
meeting. We generally only have one

1746
02:21:01,439 --> 02:21:09,840
meeting in August. Uh so that meeting
may not be needed. Two meetings in

1747
02:21:06,240 --> 02:21:14,479
September and October as usual. the
third

1748
02:21:11,600 --> 02:21:19,040
week for November due to Veterans Day.
And then because next year is not an

1749
02:21:17,359 --> 02:21:22,560
election year, the December meeting
would be back on schedule and could be

1750
02:21:20,960 --> 02:21:29,120
held the second Thursday of the month
for December 9th.

1751
02:21:25,840 --> 02:21:32,960
And that's it.
This won't be brought forward for

1752
02:21:30,560 --> 02:21:37,120
approval until the December 15th meeting
during the annual organizational portion

1753
02:21:34,720 --> 02:21:41,439
of the meeting. So this is just for,
like Dr. Austin said for the board to

1754
02:21:38,960 --> 02:21:47,080
review, see if you have any conflicts uh
coming in the future that you can

1755
02:21:42,880 --> 02:21:47,080
discuss um in December.

1756
02:21:47,439 --> 02:21:53,640
» Great. Thank you. Are there any
questions from the board? Starting with

1757
02:21:50,000 --> 02:21:53,640
the student board reps,

1758
02:21:54,640 --> 02:21:57,960
» Dr. Kelly,

1759
02:21:59,439 --> 02:22:07,600
» member Hills,
Dr. Machoski.

1760
02:22:04,720 --> 02:22:11,120
Um, first, thank you for making a
manageable schedule. What are you doing

1761
02:22:09,280 --> 02:22:16,520
about recognitions that are different or
we we're not ready to talk about that?

1762
02:22:13,040 --> 02:22:16,520
» Not quite ready.

1763
02:22:18,000 --> 02:22:24,560
» Clerk Perry.
No. Okay.

1764
02:22:22,880 --> 02:22:30,399
Okay. Are there any public comments on
this item? Okay. Um, all right. I think

1765
02:22:28,640 --> 02:22:34,800
I just had one comment. Um, and I can go
back around if there are any comments. I

1766
02:22:31,920 --> 02:22:37,600
appreciate uh the schedule. Um, I
appreciate that we have a governance

1767
02:22:36,080 --> 02:22:41,200
committee where we can do some of the
work that needed to be done in meetings

1768
02:22:39,200 --> 02:22:44,800
that were scheduled this year because we
were unable to get governance meetings

1769
02:22:42,720 --> 02:22:49,040
last year, which has now resulted in the
fact that we have the 50 plus something

1770
02:22:46,800 --> 02:22:53,760
that we're actually behind on. Um, so
that was unfortunate that we couldn't

1771
02:22:50,560 --> 02:22:58,720
get some of that stuff done. Um,
otherwise I have no I think I see a

1772
02:22:56,640 --> 02:23:07,399
couple of conflicts but I can address
them later. Um, okay. Any other comments

1773
02:23:01,520 --> 02:23:07,399
on the calendar? Okay, great. Moving on.

1774
02:23:07,680 --> 02:23:14,560
Uh, we're on 8A, the uh, reports for the
bargaining units. And I'm realizing we

1775
02:23:12,720 --> 02:23:18,640
never took a time stamp of when we were
going to finish. Missed missed

1776
02:23:16,880 --> 02:23:25,520
opportunity.
Okay, bargaining units. Uh, CSA, please.

1777
02:23:22,560 --> 02:23:30,640
» Good evening. We're finishing our survey
and sunshine process so we can start

1778
02:23:27,600 --> 02:23:37,600
negotiations in November, way ahead of
our usual time, which we greatly

1779
02:23:32,399 --> 02:23:41,840
appreciate. Our staff has been very busy
supporting students on a daily basis in

1780
02:23:39,840 --> 02:23:46,880
every aspect of the students school day
from academics, mental health, safety,

1781
02:23:44,000 --> 02:23:52,000
and nutrition. Our special ed are
receiving their CPI training on

1782
02:23:49,040 --> 02:23:57,520
deescalation by our own Jay Lynn. Our
classified staff are showing up and

1783
02:23:54,000 --> 02:24:03,280
giving 100% every day for every student.
We are dedicated. We are essential. We

1784
02:23:59,520 --> 02:24:08,160
are CSEA. Now, on to the bigger issue.
At the last board meeting, Sherry stated

1785
02:24:05,600 --> 02:24:13,200
that only 15% of our staff live in
Lagona Beach and pay property taxes

1786
02:24:10,240 --> 02:24:19,439
here, implying that the voices of the
remaining 85% should carry less weight.

1787
02:24:16,720 --> 02:24:24,479
I do not know the source or accuracy of
those figures. I'm using them only

1788
02:24:21,680 --> 02:24:30,479
because Sherry public stated them. That
implication is not only insulting, it is

1789
02:24:27,040 --> 02:24:35,439
also false. Where employees live does
not determine their value, knowledge, or

1790
02:24:32,960 --> 02:24:39,280
commitment. Our teachers and classified
employees educate, support, protect, and

1791
02:24:37,680 --> 02:24:44,319
care for Laguna Beach students and
families every day. They are a big part

1792
02:24:42,399 --> 02:24:49,920
of the fabric of this community
regardless of their home address. Our

1793
02:24:47,520 --> 02:24:55,359
schools are not supported exclusively by
local property taxes. The district also

1794
02:24:52,560 --> 02:24:59,600
benefits from state funding, including
Proposition 28 for arts and music

1795
02:24:57,600 --> 02:25:04,319
education, as well as federal funding
for special education, nutrition, and

1796
02:25:01,760 --> 02:25:07,760
services for English learners. Those
public dollars come from taxpayers

1797
02:25:06,080 --> 02:25:12,720
everywhere, including the employees
whose voices are being discounted.

1798
02:25:10,319 --> 02:25:17,120
Public education exists because society
has made a shared commitment to educate

1799
02:25:14,720 --> 02:25:20,479
children. Just as public revenue
supports police departments, fire

1800
02:25:18,720 --> 02:25:25,200
departments, and other essential
services,

1801
02:25:22,080 --> 02:25:29,600
public schools are not owned exclusively
by local property owners, and staff

1802
02:25:27,520 --> 02:25:34,960
expertise does not become less valuable
at the city boundary. Imagine if members

1803
02:25:32,960 --> 02:25:40,000
of the city council told our police
officers, including the SRO's who serve

1804
02:25:37,600 --> 02:25:44,640
in our schools and our firefighters,
that their voices mattered less because

1805
02:25:41,760 --> 02:25:48,160
they did not live in Laguna Beach. Would
we question the commitment of a

1806
02:25:46,240 --> 02:25:52,319
firefighter who risks their life
protecting a Laguna Beach home simply

1807
02:25:50,319 --> 02:25:56,800
because that firefighter goes home to
another city? Would we dismiss the

1808
02:25:54,960 --> 02:26:01,439
professional judgment of a police
officer who protects our community and

1809
02:25:59,439 --> 02:26:06,080
schools simply because that officer
commutes to work? Of course not. We

1810
02:26:04,479 --> 02:26:10,800
recognize that their service,
experience, and commitment are defined

1811
02:26:08,160 --> 02:26:15,280
by what they do for this community, not
by their home address. Where they live

1812
02:26:13,600 --> 02:26:20,160
does not diminish the value of their
service. And the same is true for our

1813
02:26:17,200 --> 02:26:24,479
teachers and classified employees. Using
property tax status to determine whose

1814
02:26:22,479 --> 02:26:29,840
voices deserve to be heard is both
unfair and illogical. Renters,

1815
02:26:27,680 --> 02:26:34,399
homeowners, and staff members all have
valuable perspectives.

1816
02:26:32,479 --> 02:26:38,640
A property deed does not create
knowledge or commitment or a deeper

1817
02:26:36,319 --> 02:26:42,800
understanding of our schools. Those
qualities come from showing up, doing

1818
02:26:40,720 --> 02:26:47,200
the work, and serving our students every
day. No one is claiming that

1819
02:26:45,120 --> 02:26:53,359
non-resident employees have the same
voting status as residents. The point is

1820
02:26:50,399 --> 02:26:57,280
that voting residency does not erase an
employees standing as a stakeholder or

1821
02:26:55,520 --> 02:27:02,000
diminish the value of firstirhand
professional knowledge. Staff members

1822
02:27:00,240 --> 02:27:06,960
experience the effects of board
decisions every day. Their perspective

1823
02:27:04,640 --> 02:27:11,920
is not outside interference. It is
essential information that responsible

1824
02:27:09,280 --> 02:27:16,960
leadership should welcome. This board
must stop treating dedicated employees

1825
02:27:14,160 --> 02:27:22,960
like outsiders while relying on their
skill, commitment, and labor every day.

1826
02:27:19,840 --> 02:27:28,240
I am asking this board to reject this
argument publicly and affirm that every

1827
02:27:25,920 --> 02:27:33,040
employees experience and professional
voice are valued regardless of where

1828
02:27:30,720 --> 02:27:38,479
that employee lives.
and Sherry. Only 15% of our staff may

1829
02:27:35,840 --> 02:27:46,200
live in Laguna Beach, but 100% of them
serve Laguna Beach students and families

1830
02:27:40,720 --> 02:27:46,200
every day. So, please stop the nonsense.

1831
02:27:48,960 --> 02:27:55,439
» It's the Buffas. Um, we'll come around
for comments or

1832
02:27:51,920 --> 02:27:58,880
» I just want to say that um I think when
uh union representatives are addressing

1833
02:27:57,200 --> 02:28:02,720
the members of the board, they should
use their names and not their first

1834
02:28:00,640 --> 02:28:08,479
names. And the same thing would say the
the CSEA U representative frequently

1835
02:28:06,640 --> 02:28:14,319
refers to the superintendent by his
first name and I don't think it's

1836
02:28:10,640 --> 02:28:19,439
appropriate. Um and uh I would like to
make that uh point for the record.

1837
02:28:16,399 --> 02:28:25,280
» Thank you.
>> Miss Bum.

1838
02:28:22,160 --> 02:28:30,080
» Good evening. First hello from one of
the VIP 15enters sitting here uh because

1839
02:28:28,640 --> 02:28:35,040
apparently I happen to be one of the
educators who both works in this

1840
02:28:31,760 --> 02:28:39,520
district is a parent lives and yes owns
votes pays property taxes in Laguna

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02:28:37,520 --> 02:28:42,720
Beach. Over the last several days there
has been considerable public commentary

1842
02:28:41,359 --> 02:28:45,840
questioning the significance of our
teachers union's endorsement of

1843
02:28:44,319 --> 02:28:50,240
schoolboard candidates including
commentary pointing out that as Thesa

1844
02:28:48,479 --> 02:28:54,080
said approximately 50% of our staff live
in Laguna Beach and therefore a vote in

1845
02:28:51,760 --> 02:28:57,200
this election. I think it's important
for our community to understand what

1846
02:28:55,520 --> 02:29:01,200
teachers union endorsement actually
means. An endorsement is not an attempt

1847
02:28:59,359 --> 02:29:05,040
by teachers to choose the board for the
community. The voters do that. An

1848
02:29:03,680 --> 02:29:08,720
endorsement tells the community
something different. These are the

1849
02:29:06,960 --> 02:29:13,120
candidates whom the educators working
inside this school system believe will

1850
02:29:10,800 --> 02:29:17,439
best represent the values and priorities
they identified through their union's

1851
02:29:14,720 --> 02:29:21,120
endorsement process. We continue to hear
publicly about the support the board

1852
02:29:19,040 --> 02:29:24,479
provides its employees. our salaries,
our benefits, our class sizes, and most

1853
02:29:23,120 --> 02:29:27,359
recently the suggestion that our
teachers in other districts would

1854
02:29:25,840 --> 02:29:30,880
question what we possibly have to
complain about. But our members concerns

1855
02:29:29,520 --> 02:29:34,000
have never simply been about whether
Lagouna Beach teachers are well

1856
02:29:32,240 --> 02:29:37,680
compensated.
Compensation is not the same thing as

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02:29:35,520 --> 02:29:42,000
respect. Benefits are not the same thing
as trust. And approving a contract does

1858
02:29:40,160 --> 02:29:45,520
not by itself demonstrate a healthy
relationship with the people who work

1859
02:29:43,520 --> 02:29:48,720
under that contract.
So, I think our community deserves some

1860
02:29:47,120 --> 02:29:51,359
context about what that support has
actually looked like from the

1861
02:29:49,760 --> 02:29:56,000
perspective of the employees represented
by our unions. During bargaining, our

1862
02:29:54,640 --> 02:30:01,040
represented employees were presented
with 3% in available compensation. Our

1863
02:29:58,880 --> 02:30:05,280
members did not receive that 3% as
salary. We received 1% salary increase

1864
02:30:03,439 --> 02:30:08,560
while the equivalent of 2% was directed
toward increasing the district's

1865
02:30:07,120 --> 02:30:12,800
contribution to the health and welfare
cap. We agreed to that because health

1866
02:30:10,880 --> 02:30:16,319
care costs matter to our members and
because we were told that fiscal

1867
02:30:14,080 --> 02:30:22,080
responsibility required difficult
choices. After we bargained in good

1868
02:30:19,040 --> 02:30:26,080
faith, management received a full 3%
salary increase with none of that 3%

1869
02:30:24,560 --> 02:30:30,319
required to go toward the health and
welfare cap.

1870
02:30:28,720 --> 02:30:35,040
Let me say that again because the
distinction matters.

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02:30:33,040 --> 02:30:39,200
Represented employees received 1% in
salary with 2% going toward the health

1872
02:30:37,120 --> 02:30:44,000
and welfare cap. management received the
full 3% in salary. We are not raising

1873
02:30:42,240 --> 02:30:47,680
this because we regrudge anyone fair
compensation. We are raising it because

1874
02:30:45,920 --> 02:30:51,120
when our members hear publicly that this
board has been exceptionally supportive

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02:30:49,120 --> 02:30:54,560
of employees, they are entitled to look
at the actual decisions being made and

1876
02:30:52,800 --> 02:30:57,840
ask whether the support has been applied
equitably.

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02:30:56,160 --> 02:31:02,160
Approving a collective bargaining
agreement is not a gift to employees. It

1878
02:31:00,640 --> 02:31:05,760
is the board fulfilling the agreement
reached through the bargaining process.

1879
02:31:04,160 --> 02:31:10,640
So when people ask what's the real
issue, this is part of the answer. The

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02:31:08,399 --> 02:31:14,720
issue is trust. The issue is whether
what employees are told about shared

1881
02:31:12,240 --> 02:31:18,960
sacrifice is reflected consistently in
the decisions that follow. Teachers and

1882
02:31:17,120 --> 02:31:23,200
staff occupy a unique position in a
school district. We are in classrooms

1883
02:31:21,040 --> 02:31:27,439
every day. We implement district
initiatives. We experience the effects

1884
02:31:24,720 --> 02:31:31,280
of board decisions. We work directly
with students and families, collaborate

1885
02:31:28,880 --> 02:31:35,680
with administrators and support staff
and understand in a very practical way

1886
02:31:33,280 --> 02:31:40,240
how governance ultimately reaches our
classrooms. 87% of the members who

1887
02:31:38,399 --> 02:31:46,720
participated in our endorsement voted
unanimously to endorse Joan Shaheen and

1888
02:31:43,200 --> 02:31:50,399
Kimberly. 87%. That number deserves to
be heard for what it is. It means that

1889
02:31:48,640 --> 02:31:53,760
among the educators who participated in
our union's endorsement process, there

1890
02:31:52,160 --> 02:31:57,840
was overwhelming agreement about the
direction they want to see in district

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02:31:55,680 --> 02:32:02,560
governance. Whether an educator lives in
Laguna Beach, Alisa VJO, Irvine, Costa

1892
02:32:00,399 --> 02:32:07,040
Mesa, or somewhere else does not change
what that educator knows about working

1893
02:32:04,319 --> 02:32:10,160
here in LBSD. It does not diminish their
professional experience and certainly

1894
02:32:08,720 --> 02:32:14,319
does not make their perspective on the
governance of their workplace

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02:32:11,200 --> 02:32:17,439
irrelevant. happen to be in that 15%.
But my voice should not carry more

1896
02:32:15,760 --> 02:32:21,439
weight within my profession simply
because my home happens to sit inside

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02:32:19,040 --> 02:32:24,560
Laguna Beach city limits. I hope we can
stop debating whether our educators

1898
02:32:22,800 --> 02:32:28,640
voices matter because of where they
happen to live instead become curious

1899
02:32:26,479 --> 02:32:32,479
about something much more important. Why
did 87% of the educators who

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02:32:30,560 --> 02:32:36,720
participated in participated in this
process come to the same conclusion? I

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02:32:35,280 --> 02:32:43,760
believe that is the conversation worth
having. Thank you.

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02:32:40,399 --> 02:32:43,760
» Thank you Dr. Austin.

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02:32:45,520 --> 02:32:54,960
Yes. Um
I I rarely try to correct anything, but

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02:32:51,200 --> 02:32:58,880
I do have one little piece for u and I I
don't think it was done intentionally.

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02:32:56,960 --> 02:33:05,359
It
management is a bigger number than the

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02:33:02,080 --> 02:33:10,319
contracted managers that uh management
positions that received the full 3% that

1907
02:33:07,840 --> 02:33:14,800
was actually three employees. So, I just
want to make sure that we're not um

1908
02:33:13,280 --> 02:33:19,280
we're not making it sound like it was
all the principles, assistant

1909
02:33:16,080 --> 02:33:22,319
principles, court uh directors that was
they they received exactly the same

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02:33:21,040 --> 02:33:27,120
settlement. So, we're really talking
about Mr. comment. I'm just making sure

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02:33:24,880 --> 02:33:32,080
I've I've got this correct that it was
the three assistant superintendent that

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02:33:29,520 --> 02:33:36,399
that did exactly what you said, received
the 3% in salary, which is different

1913
02:33:34,800 --> 02:33:44,080
than everybody else, but I just don't
want that to be um u looking like it was

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all of management and um that was it.
And um nothing else on on that topic at

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02:33:47,280 --> 02:33:53,120
all. Um in fact, in the interest of
time, I I think I've spent enough time

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02:33:51,520 --> 02:33:57,880
speaking tonight about other items. So,
I'm going to wave the rest of my report.

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» Thank you. Um, student board reps.

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» So, I'm going to kick us off talking
about uh El Mororrow. Uh, El Mororrow

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02:34:08,960 --> 02:34:15,120
has some announcements where they
announced its 26 and 27 PAL students.

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02:34:13,439 --> 02:34:22,800
The students are really really excited
about their kickoff for

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02:34:19,359 --> 02:34:26,800
um the annual Boo Blast t-shirt contest
where the winner will be featured on a

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02:34:24,479 --> 02:34:31,120
very special 75th anniversary edition of
the Boo Blast. They also named their

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02:34:29,200 --> 02:34:36,160
first semester sealine senators and are
excited for these students to meet with

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02:34:33,120 --> 02:34:40,640
our superintendent uh Dr. Austin for a
student focus group next month. At TOW,

1925
02:34:38,960 --> 02:34:45,600
students held their first official
monthly activity for to's newly formed

1926
02:34:43,040 --> 02:34:48,800
Good Vibes Club. The Good Vibes Club is
a fifth grade initiative to bring

1927
02:34:47,040 --> 02:34:52,880
together our general education students
with special needs for an inclusive

1928
02:34:50,399 --> 02:34:56,960
activity. The September activity was a
LEAF project led by uh Mrs. I hope I'm

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02:34:55,280 --> 02:35:00,960
not pronouncing this wrong, Walsy, and
will go on a display in the NPR. Fifth

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graders are also participating in a
fantasy football league along with staff

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02:35:02,560 --> 02:35:08,800
members. It has generated a lot of
interest and excitement among boys and

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02:35:05,680 --> 02:35:12,240
girls alike. and Mr. Turner is on team
Haley and they could use some help at

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02:35:10,399 --> 02:35:16,800
wide receiver if anyone has any tips in
the crowd.

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» So Thirsten ASB students helped lead a
successful club rush giving students an

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02:35:18,560 --> 02:35:22,960
opportunity to learn about existing
clubs, connect with peers who share

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02:35:21,600 --> 02:35:26,720
similar interests and explore how to
start a new club of their own. In

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02:35:24,960 --> 02:35:31,040
recognition of suicide prevention month,
ASB is hosting a stress less tutorial

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02:35:29,600 --> 02:35:34,000
focused on positive mental health
strategies. And students will decorate

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02:35:32,560 --> 02:35:37,760
stress balls and participate in an
interactive review of healthy ways to

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02:35:35,680 --> 02:35:41,280
manage stress and bring more positivity
in their lives. Students are also

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02:35:39,600 --> 02:35:45,040
creating a wall of hope by writing
encouraging messages for classmates who

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02:35:42,960 --> 02:35:48,319
may be experiencing a difficult day. The
counselors recently visited classrooms

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02:35:46,560 --> 02:35:52,560
to provide lessons focused on student
well-being, school connectedness, and

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02:35:50,000 --> 02:35:56,080
helpseeking. And at LBHS, as we
mentioned at the last meeting, our

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02:35:54,080 --> 02:36:00,080
annual club rush took place with over 80
clubs in attendance, and it was a huge

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02:35:57,600 --> 02:36:03,280
success. In college and career news,
we're also hosting our passport to

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02:36:01,680 --> 02:36:07,439
college event with many colleges coming
to LBHS to answer student and parent

1948
02:36:05,520 --> 02:36:10,720
questions. Additionally, the editor and
chief of the Princeton Review will be

1949
02:36:08,640 --> 02:36:15,200
coming as a keynote speaker to kick kick
off the event, excuse me. Dr. Esparonza,

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02:36:13,920 --> 02:36:18,720
our new athletic director, has been
working hard to increase our social

1951
02:36:16,479 --> 02:36:22,880
media presence both on main the main
LBHS athletics account and the

1952
02:36:20,399 --> 02:36:26,080
individual sports accounts. He has also
redesigned the athletes of character

1953
02:36:24,399 --> 02:36:31,840
program and turned it into the selfless
exceptionalism accountability student

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02:36:27,920 --> 02:36:34,720
athlete leadership team or sea salt. Um
there has also been something

1955
02:36:32,960 --> 02:36:37,760
implemented on campus called super fan
games where a game is selected during

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02:36:36,160 --> 02:36:41,760
the week and the student body as well as
the sea salt members focus on increasing

1957
02:36:39,680 --> 02:36:45,200
the presence of students and school
spirit to cheer on that team. So huge

1958
02:36:44,080 --> 02:36:48,720
shout out to all the work he's been
doing as of recently and we can't wait

1959
02:36:46,479 --> 02:36:52,160
to see what else he can bring to LBHS.
And finally, homecoming season is

1960
02:36:50,160 --> 02:36:55,760
officially upon us. ASB has selected the
theme of Avengers for the student body

1961
02:36:53,840 --> 02:36:59,280
this year and our homecoming football
game is and the second annual school

1962
02:36:57,520 --> 02:37:05,399
power homecoming huddle are happening on
October 16th and the dance happening on

1963
02:37:01,120 --> 02:37:05,399
October 17th. Thank you.

1964
02:37:05,439 --> 02:37:09,760
» Great. Thank you. Great report. Uh Dr.

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02:37:09,920 --> 02:37:16,319
I'm just going to concentrate on one
thing tonight and um there's a lot of

1966
02:37:14,240 --> 02:37:20,319
show and tell that I could do but I'm
con concentrating on trying to get

1967
02:37:18,560 --> 02:37:23,760
something on the agenda and I'm not
going to talk about the item. I'm going

1968
02:37:22,319 --> 02:37:31,040
to just talk about the process that I
went through on the 13th of September.

1969
02:37:27,439 --> 02:37:36,960
Uh which was a Sunday. I emailed or I
text the superintendent and asked him to

1970
02:37:33,520 --> 02:37:41,200
put this on the agenda. On the 14th, I
got a text back from him who because he

1971
02:37:39,439 --> 02:37:45,439
wanted to know exactly what I was
requesting. So, I consulted with some

1972
02:37:44,080 --> 02:37:50,319
people to make sure my English was
accurate and then I sent back to him

1973
02:37:47,520 --> 02:37:57,280
with a copy to Mrs. Morgan on the 15th
as far as asking my request and uh I

1974
02:37:54,880 --> 02:38:03,200
have 10 different responses back and
forth, but needless to say, my request

1975
02:37:59,680 --> 02:38:08,399
never got happened. Um, and on the 18th,
the last uh comment that I got from the

1976
02:38:06,160 --> 02:38:11,200
superintendent was, "As previously
established, the board president

1977
02:38:09,760 --> 02:38:15,600
determines the agenda." And this is
where the confusion is. Mr. Hills was

1978
02:38:13,520 --> 02:38:20,000
kind enough to say that everything's
working great. That really the

1979
02:38:17,359 --> 02:38:24,399
administration does the agenda and the
president approves it. Well, as

1980
02:38:22,319 --> 02:38:28,560
previously established by the board
president determines the agenda. As a

1981
02:38:26,399 --> 02:38:34,960
practical matter, the request came on
September 15th. No, it came on the 13th.

1982
02:38:32,640 --> 02:38:38,880
Uh, at that point the agenda had been
set by the president. Additionally, all

1983
02:38:36,880 --> 02:38:42,960
items had been submitted by the staff,
reviewed by our whole team, and the

1984
02:38:40,880 --> 02:38:48,560
revision process had begun. The agenda
is posted in a few minutes. I don't want

1985
02:38:45,680 --> 02:38:52,399
to be in the middle of these issues. The
board took a great deal of time on the

1986
02:38:50,319 --> 02:38:56,160
topic a year ago. I have provided
information on each request from board

1987
02:38:54,479 --> 02:39:01,120
members. Everyone has the best
information we have. If an item appears

1988
02:38:59,359 --> 02:39:08,240
in the future, it will be through one of
two avenues. The president can place the

1989
02:39:03,600 --> 02:39:13,760
item on the agenda um by uh number 9322
board policy um or it is completely is

1990
02:39:11,439 --> 02:39:16,960
appropriate meth mechanism. The
information I sent to the board is not

1991
02:39:15,359 --> 02:39:23,040
confidential. So that's why I can read
this to you. But I was I've only asked

1992
02:39:20,160 --> 02:39:27,439
for one item on the agenda since the
majority took over and you can see what

1993
02:39:25,439 --> 02:39:32,479
I've gone through and my item did not
come on the agenda and I was kind of

1994
02:39:30,319 --> 02:39:36,080
accused of what I was trying to do as
far as with this item. I had no ulterior

1995
02:39:34,640 --> 02:39:40,160
motives. There was a lot of
miscommunication in the in the

1996
02:39:37,920 --> 02:39:44,319
community. A lot of people got to me and
I thought it was that this should be an

1997
02:39:42,240 --> 02:39:48,640
item on the agenda that should be openly
discussed.

1998
02:39:46,240 --> 02:39:52,880
So, you wanted me to turn it over to you
as far as how you wanted how you're

1999
02:39:50,000 --> 02:39:56,720
going to do with deal with this.
>> Do you want to say what the item was?

2000
02:39:55,120 --> 02:40:00,960
» No, I I I was just talking about the
process. I think that I think that if if

2001
02:39:59,040 --> 02:40:07,680
the superintendent and president want to
talk about what I asked for

2002
02:40:04,240 --> 02:40:12,000
and and my I have all my 10 uh texts are
available so you can see the date and

2003
02:40:09,280 --> 02:40:16,479
time. These are all requested and what I
got back.

2004
02:40:12,640 --> 02:40:20,960
» Yeah, they're working on that. So, um,
the the policy cited and the directions

2005
02:40:19,120 --> 02:40:26,160
back were that you would bring it up
here. I clarified that it did not have

2006
02:40:23,920 --> 02:40:31,920
to be previously agenda. So, one thing
that was requested was to agendaize an

2007
02:40:28,479 --> 02:40:37,840
item to ask for, I'm paraphrasing, but
agendaize an item,

2008
02:40:34,479 --> 02:40:44,240
asking the board to vote to place an
item on an agenda. And I clarify that's

2009
02:40:40,720 --> 02:40:49,280
actually unnecessary. And in fact, um,
practically speaking, and I did some

2010
02:40:46,160 --> 02:40:54,080
research on this, that could be blocked
by a president, which would keep you

2011
02:40:52,160 --> 02:41:01,680
from doing exactly what you're asking to
do, which is to have it heard for the

2012
02:40:56,240 --> 02:41:04,479
board. So, in that case, I I I uh
clarified that you could bring it up

2013
02:41:03,200 --> 02:41:08,560
here. Does not have to be
pre-aggendized. You can tell everyone

2014
02:41:06,640 --> 02:41:14,640
exactly what the topic is that you would
like on the agenda, but there could not

2015
02:41:11,280 --> 02:41:22,640
be a substantive discussion about the
underlying pieces of the uh the item

2016
02:41:18,560 --> 02:41:28,000
that you'd like. Is that fair enough? So
in doing that uh if we just followed our

2017
02:41:25,120 --> 02:41:34,000
own procedures uh you would state the
item um as as concisely as you can can

2018
02:41:31,359 --> 02:41:40,280
to capture and then the board would take
a vote to place on uh an upcoming

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02:41:37,280 --> 02:41:40,280
agenda.

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02:41:41,760 --> 02:41:46,960
you can make the motion, but I told I
can go through the communications as

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02:41:45,280 --> 02:41:52,640
well because one of the processes that
we changed you you I did receive your

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02:41:49,120 --> 02:41:59,359
email um asking for the item. I we were
also told that we would be giving that

2023
02:41:54,640 --> 02:42:04,080
information the next day in a report. So
I mistakenly assumed that by getting a

2024
02:42:02,240 --> 02:42:08,640
report that had the information that you
were seeking that's that sufficed the

2025
02:42:06,479 --> 02:42:13,600
request that you were making. I did not
understand that you still wanted it

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02:42:11,200 --> 02:42:18,000
agendaized because I also believe that
this information is coming out on

2027
02:42:15,040 --> 02:42:21,359
Friday. I could be wrong. Um, but the
item is graduation and the cost and the

2028
02:42:20,000 --> 02:42:24,880
cost difference. Correct. Because there
was a couple different things that were

2029
02:42:22,640 --> 02:42:27,840
being discussed. And so I have no
problem with it being on the agenda. You

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02:42:26,479 --> 02:42:31,920
can ask for a motion if you want, but
I'm happy to tell Dr. Dr. Austin, please

2031
02:42:30,000 --> 02:42:35,520
have it on the agenda on the 10th
because I had no issue with it. But hang

2032
02:42:33,760 --> 02:42:40,960
on. when you mentioned it again on
Friday because the process has changed

2033
02:42:38,399 --> 02:42:46,399
under Dr. Austin's leadership. I had not
seen the agenda from since two weeks

2034
02:42:43,359 --> 02:42:49,280
before until I sat down for a final
review of the agenda. I don't might have

2035
02:42:48,080 --> 02:42:53,520
been t I can't even remember what day
that was Tuesday. It was like last week,

2036
02:42:51,200 --> 02:42:57,520
Sunday. But anyway, it was posting on
Friday. So when I got your next email

2037
02:42:55,840 --> 02:43:03,040
saying I want to make this sure this is
on. Why isn't it on? I'm I I will say I

2038
02:43:00,640 --> 02:43:06,160
was a little surprised because as I
explained in my email, I thought the

2039
02:43:04,720 --> 02:43:10,000
information on Wednesday was what you
were seeking. So, I didn't really

2040
02:43:07,520 --> 02:43:14,880
revisit it and I don't sit on my emails
all day. So, I apologize. But by Friday,

2041
02:43:12,560 --> 02:43:19,200
they had the binders done. They had the
agenda printed and it was going to be

2042
02:43:16,720 --> 02:43:22,880
released within minutes of when we re we
you and I were exchanging emails. And

2043
02:43:20,960 --> 02:43:26,720
so, I told you then, I am happy to have
that on the October 10th meeting. I have

2044
02:43:24,960 --> 02:43:30,399
no problem with it. There was no issue
that you brought it up. It was just a

2045
02:43:28,319 --> 02:43:33,359
miscommunication of timing and what the
intention was because I thought the

2046
02:43:31,680 --> 02:43:36,319
report was what you were looking for,
not that you wanted to have it out

2047
02:43:34,640 --> 02:43:39,520
publicly and open and debate because
everybody can access the report. It's

2048
02:43:37,840 --> 02:43:42,640
not a that's not a problem either. It's
just a little complicated because I

2049
02:43:40,880 --> 02:43:46,240
think as Dr. Austin said he had to kind
of go through and make sure it was

2050
02:43:43,760 --> 02:43:51,200
» first have to apologize that Friday I
was in pre-op when I was basically

2051
02:43:48,640 --> 02:43:56,640
continuing all all this stuff and then
my last email was I was in posttop. So I

2052
02:43:54,800 --> 02:44:02,399
was full of a lot of drugs as far as at
that at that time. Uh but uh my last

2053
02:44:00,319 --> 02:44:09,279
communication to you was that in the
past we have put uh we've changed the

2054
02:44:05,840 --> 02:44:13,359
agenda on a Monday uh and that met the
legal qualifications and that was that

2055
02:44:11,359 --> 02:44:16,560
was where it ended and then I got the
superintendent's response that I had

2056
02:44:15,040 --> 02:44:20,800
done this on the 15th. I did it on the
13th and again I have all of the text if

2057
02:44:19,680 --> 02:44:24,319
anyone wants.
>> Yeah, I'm happy with that. I also want

2058
02:44:22,479 --> 02:44:27,279
to remind you that we we announced a
while back that we were going to start

2059
02:44:25,520 --> 02:44:30,960
releasing the agendas on Friday because
one of the concerns that Dr. Malchesky

2060
02:44:29,439 --> 02:44:35,600
had indicated is that there wasn't
enough time to go through the binder. So

2061
02:44:32,640 --> 02:44:39,840
Dr. Austin and I came upon his
commencement of his position and with

2062
02:44:37,680 --> 02:44:43,200
working with Victoria established a new
process that we have upheld now for

2063
02:44:41,760 --> 02:44:47,680
every meeting that we've had since Dr.
Austin has been here. Every agenda has

2064
02:44:44,960 --> 02:44:50,399
gone out on a Friday. So yes, previously
it was on Monday. There's a lot of

2065
02:44:49,359 --> 02:44:54,479
different reasons about that and that
we're off topic and not and it's not

2066
02:44:51,920 --> 02:44:58,000
agendaized. But again, I am you can make
a motion if you want, but I'm happy to

2067
02:44:56,000 --> 02:45:03,120
put it on October 10th. Not a problem
whatsoever. There's absolutely zero

2068
02:44:59,680 --> 02:45:08,840
question in my mind. Great. Okay. Who's
next on the reporting? Uh Howard, uh

2069
02:45:05,520 --> 02:45:08,840
member Hills.

2070
02:45:11,680 --> 02:45:15,160
» Okay. Um

2071
02:45:17,200 --> 02:45:25,439
I uh first thing I wanted to say is that
uh I was very inter interested in the

2072
02:45:22,399 --> 02:45:31,840
report by the by the Laboufa
representative, but I guess she's gone

2073
02:45:28,399 --> 02:45:38,640
about the uh the salary matter that the
superintendent addressed. Um, I'm going

2074
02:45:34,880 --> 02:45:45,520
to have to research this, but um I
didn't understand that the the uh that

2075
02:45:43,600 --> 02:45:52,960
the
that the unions got the array of salary

2076
02:45:50,479 --> 02:46:00,960
increases that was described
uh including the u I think it's a one 1%

2077
02:45:57,359 --> 02:46:05,200
bump up if the revenues are sufficient.
Um, in other words, I thought the

2078
02:46:03,680 --> 02:46:10,800
management I thought the assistant
superintendent were getting the same

2079
02:46:06,880 --> 02:46:13,040
deal that the union was getting. And um,
>> what's that?

2080
02:46:11,439 --> 02:46:18,160
» What was the me too? We took that out.
>> Yeah. Well, no,

2081
02:46:15,040 --> 02:46:24,960
we took the me too out so that it wasn't
mandatory that it be the same. But that

2082
02:46:21,760 --> 02:46:30,240
doesn't mean we can't by our own
valition make them the same. And I

2083
02:46:28,000 --> 02:46:36,560
thought we were treating them the same.
And um I'm concerned because to the

2084
02:46:33,279 --> 02:46:40,880
extent that they're not the same
um

2085
02:46:38,160 --> 02:46:49,120
you know the deal that the union
accepted um uh reflected the uh

2086
02:46:46,720 --> 02:46:55,920
priorities that we had and the resources
that we had uh including after we

2087
02:46:52,720 --> 02:47:05,200
legalized the um healthc care payment
increases that began in 2021.

2088
02:46:59,680 --> 02:47:08,160
Um and uh so I just I I wish that the um
the BUFFA representative was still here

2089
02:47:06,720 --> 02:47:14,240
because I was very interested in her
remarks and appreciate her report and um

2090
02:47:11,120 --> 02:47:21,200
I want to look at that some more. Um I
also um wanted to point out that we did

2091
02:47:18,000 --> 02:47:27,680
have a good governance meeting. Uh I was
very um happy to see uh the people that

2092
02:47:25,439 --> 02:47:32,640
turned out for the governance meeting
and I was very pleased with the

2093
02:47:29,600 --> 02:47:38,640
discussion. There was only one item on
the agenda that was an item that any

2094
02:47:36,319 --> 02:47:42,560
board member proposed and that was the
item related to the student

2095
02:47:40,080 --> 02:47:49,120
representative representative. All the
other items on the agenda were staff

2096
02:47:44,640 --> 02:47:55,600
proposed items and um that includes both
um uh matters that the staff determined

2097
02:47:52,479 --> 02:48:00,319
were legislatively mandated and it also
included matters that the staff

2098
02:47:57,279 --> 02:48:07,520
determined were um recommendations of
CSBA that should be considered. And so,

2099
02:48:03,760 --> 02:48:15,680
um, when we get those, um, items in
through the staff process for, uh, bylaw

2100
02:48:11,120 --> 02:48:21,279
revision, um, that represents the, um,
the, uh, selections of those items made

2101
02:48:18,880 --> 02:48:26,720
by the staff. And, uh, I thought it was
a very productive meeting. Uh, I I I

2102
02:48:24,560 --> 02:48:30,640
don't think that, um, other than did we
pass the 2110 thing about the

2103
02:48:28,880 --> 02:48:37,200
superintendent's roles and
responsibility? Um I can't remember. Um

2104
02:48:35,680 --> 02:48:41,279
» I believe it's moving forward for a
first reading at

2105
02:48:38,000 --> 02:48:48,640
» Yeah. So anyway, um I thought it was a
very good good session. Uh I do want to

2106
02:48:45,600 --> 02:48:54,560
um unfortunately I would prefer not to,
but I think I'm compelled uh as a matter

2107
02:48:51,840 --> 02:49:01,120
of honor to respond to the some of the
comments that were made tonight.

2108
02:48:57,040 --> 02:49:08,080
First of all, um I was just looking at
um from last April 25 um an email that

2109
02:49:05,040 --> 02:49:15,520
was posted um on a fake Instagram
account um uh referring to um or

2110
02:49:13,200 --> 02:49:22,560
implying that uh there was some type of
a

2111
02:49:17,359 --> 02:49:30,640
well frankly uh it was a Instagram that
indicated that um I was um stalking

2112
02:49:27,760 --> 02:49:37,439
students in the high school and that I
was um and that warning that I'm going

2113
02:49:35,200 --> 02:49:42,399
to be getting into sex education classes
where I'm going to in some manner uh

2114
02:49:40,479 --> 02:49:48,640
behave inappropriately.
Um and that um the board council

2115
02:49:46,080 --> 02:49:53,439
reviewed that and determined that I was
being I'd been slandered and that I had

2116
02:49:50,880 --> 02:49:59,120
been accused of being a pedophile. And
that Instagram account was sent to all

2117
02:49:56,000 --> 02:50:06,479
my grandchildren uh as well as my
children and my friends and my clients.

2118
02:50:01,279 --> 02:50:13,840
And um pretty aggressive tactic. And um
I frankly um I'm going to go back and

2119
02:50:10,319 --> 02:50:21,200
look at the video of the um the meeting
that we had uh two days ago. But um as I

2120
02:50:18,080 --> 02:50:28,560
just want to say for the record that as
I recall it, I was at that at the point

2121
02:50:24,800 --> 02:50:35,520
in that discussion uh I was addressing
and responding to um uh a couple of

2122
02:50:33,040 --> 02:50:40,160
gentlemen on the board. Um I don't
believe I was responding to or

2123
02:50:37,359 --> 02:50:44,800
addressing um the student representative
on the board, but I'll go back and look

2124
02:50:42,240 --> 02:50:49,760
at it. I want to go on record saying
that I could have said, "Hey, I'm really

2125
02:50:48,160 --> 02:50:54,960
stoked about this because we're finally
getting to do this." I could have said,

2126
02:50:51,439 --> 02:51:00,319
"I'm really jazzed about this." Um, when
you're 74 years old and you say, um, and

2127
02:50:58,880 --> 02:51:08,000
you're doing something that is in the
nature of a policy wonk, um, uh,

2128
02:51:03,920 --> 02:51:11,840
discussion about, uh, you know, arcane
legal issues and you say, "Boy, this is

2129
02:51:10,399 --> 02:51:15,920
the kind of stuff that really turns me
on here now. I really like I really like

2130
02:51:14,399 --> 02:51:21,920
these issues and I'm glad we're
discussing it. Um uh it did not for me

2131
02:51:20,000 --> 02:51:28,479
subjectively have any kind of a sexual
connotation at all. When when Sherry

2132
02:51:25,279 --> 02:51:33,600
reacted to it as if it might have a
sexual uh connotation, I was very

2133
02:51:31,120 --> 02:51:41,439
offended that she would react that way.
And I'm very offended that um uh uh that

2134
02:51:38,560 --> 02:51:45,760
it was characterized as a certainty that
that I did have uh that was making that

2135
02:51:44,160 --> 02:51:50,479
connotation.
What I don't want what I hope is not

2136
02:51:47,760 --> 02:51:56,479
happening is I hope that this is not a
continuation of the politics of personal

2137
02:51:54,319 --> 02:52:04,399
destruction and character assassination
that were represented by the um fake

2138
02:51:59,439 --> 02:52:13,200
emails from last April. And um and so um
I'm going to have to review the video of

2139
02:52:06,800 --> 02:52:18,800
that. Um because uh this has been uh
this has been very uh painful for me

2140
02:52:15,840 --> 02:52:25,200
since last April when those accusations
that the board council determined were

2141
02:52:20,960 --> 02:52:31,359
slander um and advised me to um take
legal action which which I decided not

2142
02:52:27,600 --> 02:52:35,040
to do. Um, so I can't allow um the
statements that were made here tonight

2143
02:52:32,720 --> 02:52:40,960
to go unanswered as much as I'd prefer
not to respond to them. And um

2144
02:52:39,120 --> 02:52:50,080
after I review it, I may have more to
say about it, but um I I know that um uh

2145
02:52:46,000 --> 02:52:55,279
that I I was responding to the fact that
um there were several uh people in the

2146
02:52:53,040 --> 02:53:00,800
meeting who were really digging in on
the issues and we were breaking new

2147
02:52:57,520 --> 02:53:05,840
ground. And I was genuinely, exuberantly
excited about the progress we were

2148
02:53:02,479 --> 02:53:12,880
making. and um to suggest that I would
make an inappropriate remark to a female

2149
02:53:09,120 --> 02:53:19,359
student uh you know or have any kind of
an intention along those lines uh is

2150
02:53:16,160 --> 02:53:26,080
imponderable to me and so um I just want
to state that for the record. Um

2151
02:53:23,279 --> 02:53:32,399
I also uh want to respond to a few
remarks that were made tonight. First of

2152
02:53:28,080 --> 02:53:36,960
all, Ketta Brown correctly cited the um
the language in the visioning remark uh

2153
02:53:34,960 --> 02:53:42,640
document that said that the board
directs and the staff implements. And I

2154
02:53:41,120 --> 02:53:49,359
think that's obvious. I think anybody
that knows how um schools uh business is

2155
02:53:46,960 --> 02:53:54,319
conducted know that that's the case and
it's certainly the case under our

2156
02:53:50,720 --> 02:54:00,880
bylaws. And I think um Logan, you I
remember said uh recently you said that

2157
02:53:57,520 --> 02:54:04,880
the the board decides what and the
superintendent decides how. I I believe

2158
02:54:02,880 --> 02:54:08,319
is what you said if I remember
correctly.

2159
02:54:06,640 --> 02:54:11,040
» Uh I to be honest I'd have to check the
record. I don't believe those are exact

2160
02:54:09,840 --> 02:54:14,240
my my exact words.
>> Gentlemen, can we keep this to board

2161
02:54:12,560 --> 02:54:16,160
reports and and keep moving along here
shortly?

2162
02:54:14,640 --> 02:54:23,840
» Yeah, keep board reports.
>> Yeah. Um,

2163
02:54:18,560 --> 02:54:32,240
so your remark is true. Keta's remark is
true, but it oversimplifies

2164
02:54:27,920 --> 02:54:37,520
because um I would urge Keta to take a
look at section 35161 of the education

2165
02:54:35,120 --> 02:54:45,840
code because we had this discussion
during the governance meeting. Um and

2166
02:54:41,600 --> 02:54:52,000
what it comes down to is that um this is
not when you talk about the board

2167
02:54:48,160 --> 02:54:56,479
directs and the staff implements or the
board says what and the superintendent

2168
02:54:54,399 --> 02:55:01,520
says how
that is oversimplifying because it

2169
02:54:59,359 --> 02:55:09,200
suggests that there's a separation of
powers and there is no separation of

2170
02:55:04,560 --> 02:55:15,200
powers. what every power that the board
the staff has um is delegated by the

2171
02:55:12,560 --> 02:55:20,479
board and once the board delegates the
board then lives with that delegation

2172
02:55:17,520 --> 02:55:25,520
and accepts exactly what Kata and you
were saying and that is that the board

2173
02:55:22,240 --> 02:55:33,200
directs and the staff implements.
But the other aspect of it that makes it

2174
02:55:29,840 --> 02:55:37,520
um a functional system is that the
bylaws also require collaboration. And

2175
02:55:36,160 --> 02:55:43,600
we hear a lot of use of the word
collaboration around. And the bottom

2176
02:55:39,840 --> 02:55:49,520
line is that the system works. The
delegation system works only when after

2177
02:55:46,800 --> 02:55:55,760
the delegation has been made,
the superintendent and the staff and the

2178
02:55:52,000 --> 02:56:01,520
board um are collaborating in the in
areas of shared powers. And the shared

2179
02:55:58,640 --> 02:56:05,279
powers include the use of legal counsel.
The shared powers include

2180
02:56:02,960 --> 02:56:10,240
communications. The shared powers
include agenda setting. the, you know,

2181
02:56:08,479 --> 02:56:15,680
Mr. Kelly was talking about agenda
setting. The statute and the bylaw are

2182
02:56:12,319 --> 02:56:22,000
very clear. It says the president
works with the superintendent to develop

2183
02:56:18,720 --> 02:56:31,040
the agenda. The noun is the president.
The verb is develop the agenda and the

2184
02:56:26,240 --> 02:56:35,760
um the the condition of it is that um
the president will work with the

2185
02:56:33,040 --> 02:56:42,720
superintendent in doing that. So it's
when collaboration breaks down that you

2186
02:56:39,359 --> 02:56:47,680
then have problems. But if collaboration
continues uh and the system is meant to

2187
02:56:45,359 --> 02:56:54,000
be collaborative but ultimately it is a
delegate system of delegation. It's

2188
02:56:49,760 --> 02:56:59,120
there's no inherent power in in staff um
and um the board is not intended to

2189
02:56:56,960 --> 02:57:03,200
administer. The board is intended to
delegate so then the staff can

2190
02:57:00,800 --> 02:57:07,600
administer. And I just think that um
we're talking past each other when we

2191
02:57:05,279 --> 02:57:09,439
make um oversimplifications about that
process.

2192
02:57:07,920 --> 02:57:11,200
» Can I ask you to collaborate with me and
help me move this meeting along?

2193
02:57:10,800 --> 02:57:15,520
» Yeah.
>> And wrap up your report. Thank you.

2194
02:57:14,080 --> 02:57:18,479
» Do you have any final comments? Are you
done?

2195
02:57:16,240 --> 02:57:24,479
» Uh I just want to make one reference and
that is I recommend that everybody look

2196
02:57:20,160 --> 02:57:30,640
at the um the California schools
quarterly by the CSB CSBA. It's got an

2197
02:57:28,560 --> 02:57:35,040
article by CSBA
CEO and executive director Vernon Billy

2198
02:57:32,880 --> 02:57:39,520
about reciprocal accountability. And
that's really what I'm talking about.

2199
02:57:36,880 --> 02:57:43,760
The there's changes going on because
they're recognizing that there's a

2200
02:57:41,840 --> 02:57:47,040
disconnect between the executive and
administrative functions and the

2201
02:57:45,439 --> 02:57:51,359
legislative functions in the whole
California school education system. So

2202
02:57:49,520 --> 02:57:57,359
what I'm talking about now is not Howard
Hills just making this up. This article

2203
02:57:54,000 --> 02:58:00,240
by the CEO of the CSBA is about the fact
that we need to do it differently

2204
02:57:58,880 --> 02:58:04,960
because we've gotten too
compartmentalized and separated where

2205
02:58:02,479 --> 02:58:10,240
the staff is going and doing its thing
and the the the the legislative bodies

2206
02:58:08,560 --> 02:58:13,600
are going and doing this thing and
they're not having reciprocal

2207
02:58:11,760 --> 02:58:18,000
accountability. They both want to assert
their prerogatives but they don't want

2208
02:58:16,000 --> 02:58:22,160
to have accountability between one
another. So they talk about um

2209
02:58:20,080 --> 02:58:25,840
collaboration, they talk about trust,
but there can never be trust without

2210
02:58:24,319 --> 02:58:29,600
accountability. That's what I've been
saying for a couple of years and that's

2211
02:58:27,359 --> 02:58:32,399
what the CEO of CSBA is saying right
here.

2212
02:58:30,319 --> 02:58:36,720
» Thank you, Howard. That's a interesting
point. Can't have trust without

2213
02:58:33,920 --> 02:58:39,720
accountability. Thank you. Uh me Dr.
Meski.

2214
02:58:39,920 --> 02:58:47,200
» Okay. Um I spent almost entire an entire
day at the high school last week. It

2215
02:58:45,439 --> 02:58:51,359
started with the breakfast for mentors
who will be involved in this year's AER

2216
02:58:49,520 --> 02:58:56,399
program that stands for authentic
exploratory research an important or an

2217
02:58:54,399 --> 02:59:01,279
independent research course designed for
students to explore passions and career

2218
02:58:58,640 --> 02:59:05,359
pathways. I really love this program
because it fosters intellectual

2219
02:59:03,120 --> 02:59:09,279
curiosity and the independent pursuit of
knowledge. And I'm very excited that I'm

2220
02:59:07,760 --> 02:59:13,840
going to mentor a student who is
interested in studying the effect of the

2221
02:59:11,359 --> 02:59:17,760
Cold War on higher education policy and
funding in the United States and the

2222
02:59:15,439 --> 02:59:21,680
former Soviet Union, which is just a
great way for students to pursue their

2223
02:59:19,520 --> 02:59:25,680
interests. And I'm um excited to be able
to participate. I then visited a

2224
02:59:24,080 --> 02:59:29,359
journalism class, the journalism
classroom, and got to hear this year's

2225
02:59:27,359 --> 02:59:33,840
student journalism leaders introduce the
agenda for the day. And then I was

2226
02:59:31,439 --> 02:59:38,160
interviewed, and um they tried out some
new podcast equipment. They asked some

2227
02:59:36,160 --> 02:59:42,240
follow-up questions to a survey that was
done last spring of all board members

2228
02:59:40,000 --> 02:59:46,000
and the work that we do on the board. I
was incredibly impressed by the

2229
02:59:44,160 --> 02:59:50,479
professionalism of these two students
and the scope of our journalism program

2230
02:59:47,920 --> 02:59:54,319
at the high school. I was also happy to
end the day in a conversation the school

2231
02:59:52,399 --> 02:59:58,640
day in a conversation with Glenn Warren
about reading and writing initiatives in

2232
02:59:56,160 --> 03:00:02,720
the district. I know our librarians and
our teachers have been thinking about

2233
03:00:00,720 --> 03:00:06,720
developing a culture of reading and I
was particularly grateful for Mr. for

2234
03:00:04,560 --> 03:00:11,760
Warren's suggestions about how we can
incentivize reading and writing. In the

2235
03:00:09,520 --> 03:00:16,399
evening, I returned for the high to the
high school for back to school night.

2236
03:00:13,920 --> 03:00:21,520
Um, we were just so impressed by the
program and the presentations of each of

2237
03:00:18,560 --> 03:00:26,000
the teachers that we saw. So, this day
just really demonstrated for me in

2238
03:00:23,680 --> 03:00:32,000
multiple dimensions the great work our
teachers, administrators, and staff are

2239
03:00:28,479 --> 03:00:36,720
doing at the school sites. Um, and I
love any opportunity that we can have to

2240
03:00:34,399 --> 03:00:41,520
get that information out to the public.
We have programs and classes that are

2241
03:00:38,880 --> 03:00:46,240
truly impressive. I'm grateful for the
educational expertise and and innovative

2242
03:00:44,399 --> 03:00:54,279
student focused work that's going on in
each of our schools. That's it.

2243
03:00:49,680 --> 03:00:54,279
» Great. Thank you, U Clerk Perry.

2244
03:00:56,160 --> 03:01:09,680
» Thank you. Um, I just wanted to address
member Hill's comment. Um, I'm of that

2245
03:01:05,680 --> 03:01:13,439
age where, uh, when you say something
turns you on, you would say like math

2246
03:01:11,520 --> 03:01:18,640
turns me on. And I just looked it up in
the dictionary. And it means keenly

2247
03:01:15,680 --> 03:01:28,160
aware of, and responsive. The adjectives
are hip, groovy,

2248
03:01:22,240 --> 03:01:37,040
cool. Um, and that's what I know it as.
So, um, also I

2249
03:01:32,160 --> 03:01:44,000
met with or spoke with the
president of the Chamber of Commerce and

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03:01:40,960 --> 03:01:50,080
I'm happy to report that Hogue is our
official inaugural healthc care partner

2251
03:01:46,240 --> 03:01:54,880
for the for our new futures program. We
will be meeting in early October to

2252
03:01:52,080 --> 03:02:00,080
hopefully set dates for the 2027
semester when it will start. So that

2253
03:01:57,040 --> 03:02:08,399
will give a lot of opportunities for our
students in the healthcare industry. Um

2254
03:02:04,960 --> 03:02:13,040
well that's all I'll say.
>> Thank you, Clerk Perry. Um okay, I just

2255
03:02:11,279 --> 03:02:19,040
have a couple things. Um but I do want
to circle back and I am glad that um the

2256
03:02:15,600 --> 03:02:21,680
unions brought up the 15% comment. Um, I
also was not going to comment on it, but

2257
03:02:20,479 --> 03:02:27,520
since they brought it up, I thought it
would be good to address that. I if

2258
03:02:24,160 --> 03:02:33,600
there was some interpretation that my
comment about where our property tax

2259
03:02:30,240 --> 03:02:40,399
comes from, um, that was that was my
intention. Um, then I'm sorry. Um I you

2260
03:02:37,120 --> 03:02:44,720
know we can say what we want to say and
somebody else can turn it and turn it

2261
03:02:42,880 --> 03:02:48,160
into something else but if you don't
actually talk to the person you're

2262
03:02:46,640 --> 03:02:53,840
making assumptions of what somebody
means without validating if it's true

2263
03:02:51,840 --> 03:03:00,399
and I do find that that's happened quite
a bit. Um I think to the same point if

2264
03:02:57,200 --> 03:03:05,279
um I would love to know where and when I
have made a comment that stated that

2265
03:03:02,160 --> 03:03:10,640
because our staff doesn't it may not
have the same zip code that they are

2266
03:03:07,920 --> 03:03:15,600
devalued. Um I don't recall ever saying
that if that is um and for somebody to

2267
03:03:13,680 --> 03:03:19,120
say well it was implied. Well implied is
not a fact. Implied is somebody's

2268
03:03:17,040 --> 03:03:24,399
assumption that something might be
meaning that but maybe we could look at

2269
03:03:21,200 --> 03:03:29,600
it and discuss and analyze. Right? I
have not had that conversation with

2270
03:03:25,760 --> 03:03:36,000
anyone. So I was merely the point of
that whole conversation was um

2271
03:03:34,000 --> 03:03:41,359
the concerns that have been expressed to
me from community members about their

2272
03:03:39,439 --> 03:03:45,439
perception of the finances of this
district. So I'm not going to go much

2273
03:03:43,200 --> 03:03:49,680
more into that than that. But I will say
um I thought some of the comments that

2274
03:03:46,960 --> 03:03:54,000
were interesting um because I do
appreciate um that someone said I think

2275
03:03:52,080 --> 03:04:01,600
it was I'm not sure which union member
it was um who pays more doesn't matter.

2276
03:03:59,520 --> 03:04:05,760
Property deeds they talked about if you
have a deed doesn't validate your your

2277
03:04:03,120 --> 03:04:09,200
your your
voice in the school district. And I find

2278
03:04:07,600 --> 03:04:14,720
that to be really interesting because I
know when we first took this seat, one

2279
03:04:11,600 --> 03:04:18,560
of the comments made, and I I have to
say they're a few members, so it just

2280
03:04:16,160 --> 03:04:22,800
kind of all goes together, that they
bought their house more recently than

2281
03:04:20,880 --> 03:04:27,120
the elder people that live in town.
Therefore, they pay more property tax,

2282
03:04:24,880 --> 03:04:32,000
therefore their voice is more important.
So maybe that was not what that implied,

2283
03:04:29,600 --> 03:04:38,000
but that was said in this room at that
microphone. So I and I don't agree with

2284
03:04:36,000 --> 03:04:42,160
that. So if I don't agree with that, if
I agree that everyone's voice matters,

2285
03:04:39,840 --> 03:04:46,640
that includes our staff. The point of it
was merely of the percentage when we

2286
03:04:44,800 --> 03:04:49,439
start looking at logistics and I it
started two years ago when I said hey

2287
03:04:48,240 --> 03:04:52,960
it's important because one of the things
I'd love to see is is working with the

2288
03:04:51,439 --> 03:04:56,319
city on the housing and can we offer
teacher housing and that's what's

2289
03:04:54,560 --> 03:05:00,640
prompted that conversation which turned
into the best teacher housing is housing

2290
03:04:58,160 --> 03:05:04,880
that you build on your properties and
the only property I think we even have a

2291
03:05:02,319 --> 03:05:10,880
remote possibility would be the canyon
bus depot which is not even remotely

2292
03:05:07,520 --> 03:05:15,680
poss right so it started a conversation
that I was able to pursue down a path

2293
03:05:13,359 --> 03:05:20,720
and that is what the intention of it was
to imply anything else is someone else

2294
03:05:18,160 --> 03:05:26,000
trying to put words or or a definition
to what I said and that's not accurate.

2295
03:05:23,359 --> 03:05:30,560
Um so I I I really hope that puts that
to rest. Um I'm really glad that the

2296
03:05:29,040 --> 03:05:36,720
unions are happy about getting our
sunshine getting about sunshining early.

2297
03:05:33,200 --> 03:05:44,160
Um I think that the
board as a whole um and people always

2298
03:05:41,279 --> 03:05:49,920
say led by this majority. Well, we have
brought forward sunshining sooner. We um

2299
03:05:47,279 --> 03:05:54,560
were able to increase
contributions to insurance. We have

2300
03:05:52,319 --> 03:05:59,439
approved every single program that has
come across this board. We've started a

2301
03:05:57,200 --> 03:06:03,520
new committee. We've hired from with for
the arts. We've hired from within. We

2302
03:06:01,680 --> 03:06:08,160
have brought community voices together.
So when people say I'm not listening or

2303
03:06:05,359 --> 03:06:14,160
I devalue the students, that's not true.
I I started a club in 2021-22, the PTA

2304
03:06:11,920 --> 03:06:18,399
did that was a um breakers club that was
specifically bringing club voices,

2305
03:06:16,319 --> 03:06:21,920
presidents, voices and their club
president, vice president, what have you

2306
03:06:20,080 --> 03:06:27,600
together to discuss the issues on
campus. It was very wellreceived. Um Mr.

2307
03:06:24,880 --> 03:06:33,680
Alvarez was one of the mentors to it and
it was really great. Um, so I I I would

2308
03:06:31,200 --> 03:06:39,359
like to dispel the idea that I devalue
staff. That is not true. Um, it was a

2309
03:06:36,880 --> 03:06:43,760
data point. I've said that before. I
pursued that data point earlier last

2310
03:06:41,359 --> 03:06:49,040
year. Um, and was not able to get any
further with it, but it was a great data

2311
03:06:45,439 --> 03:06:51,920
point to have. So, um, so I just like to
say that and this fact that if I don't

2312
03:06:50,560 --> 03:06:55,359
devalue student, that's not true either.
I have four students. I've started a lot

2313
03:06:53,920 --> 03:06:59,760
of the committees that we've started as
a as a new board had all of them have

2314
03:06:57,920 --> 03:07:05,680
students on them and they were all at
the at the vision of the board majority

2315
03:07:02,000 --> 03:07:09,200
who has um and now is actually on all of
them because nobody else will

2316
03:07:06,800 --> 03:07:13,439
participate. So um I I think that that's
a demonstration of of collaboration. All

2317
03:07:11,520 --> 03:07:17,680
of these committees have members from
fuel from uh they have students they

2318
03:07:15,920 --> 03:07:21,439
have members of sensible lagona they
have people that have no idea what any

2319
03:07:19,200 --> 03:07:26,000
of that stuff is. So I think the actions
actually show um a they show things that

2320
03:07:24,800 --> 03:07:28,319
I'm very proud of actually because I
think we've done a lot for this

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03:07:27,040 --> 03:07:32,479
community and a lot for the students and
a lot for our staff. Um if there is

2322
03:07:30,479 --> 03:07:37,520
things that I have done specifically,
please bring them to my attention. I am

2323
03:07:34,240 --> 03:07:42,560
very open to reflecting. I am very open
to um understanding how I've impacted

2324
03:07:40,640 --> 03:07:47,279
someone else. I stand by what I say. I
don't sit up here and say these things

2325
03:07:44,000 --> 03:07:51,520
and then don't practice them. So, but I
So, please be specific when you and I

2326
03:07:50,080 --> 03:07:55,120
would sit down and talk to anyone. Be
specific. What is it that I have done

2327
03:07:53,040 --> 03:07:58,960
that the staff is not sure? We've
approved everything. So, I I really I

2328
03:07:57,920 --> 03:08:02,160
don't understand. I still don't
understand. Um, and I'm sorry if that

2329
03:08:00,720 --> 03:08:05,279
seems like I'm tonedeaf. I am not
tonedeaf. I am truly trying to

2330
03:08:03,760 --> 03:08:11,680
understand. And so, if someone can
explain it, I will be happy. I will even

2331
03:08:07,279 --> 03:08:15,680
buy coffee. Um, so, um, I
had a couple of agenda meetings. Um, as

2332
03:08:14,000 --> 03:08:18,720
I said the couple week, we started
almost two weeks ago with this new

2333
03:08:17,040 --> 03:08:23,120
agenda process that Dr. Austin has
introduced. Um, I worked with staff and

2334
03:08:21,200 --> 03:08:27,760
um, Clerk Perry was there on both
agendas for the governance committee and

2335
03:08:24,960 --> 03:08:32,080
the agenda tonight. Uh, the board only
brings a couple of items as as Howard

2336
03:08:30,319 --> 03:08:35,359
mentioned, he only brought one one item
forward for the governance committee and

2337
03:08:33,439 --> 03:08:40,399
the rest the staff brought forward. Um,
that's how the agendas work. Um, that's

2338
03:08:37,680 --> 03:08:43,760
how they supposed to be working. Um, and
I'm glad to see that they're back on

2339
03:08:41,760 --> 03:08:48,319
track. Um I also attended back to school
night at the high school. I agree with

2340
03:08:45,840 --> 03:08:53,279
um Dr. Mountesky. The AER program is
fabulous. Um the kickoff is always very

2341
03:08:51,359 --> 03:08:56,880
exciting. Uh so did they have the
kickoff or are they still talking about

2342
03:08:55,040 --> 03:08:59,600
it when they have the room the library
filled with all their with their

2343
03:08:58,720 --> 03:09:02,640
» mentoring breakfast.
>> So mentoring breakfast. So they have

2344
03:09:00,960 --> 03:09:06,640
have they not launched the programs
themselves or are we beyond that?

2345
03:09:05,120 --> 03:09:09,359
» Okay, great. Well, I know we would I
went to that last year. I would love to

2346
03:09:07,920 --> 03:09:13,520
know when that is because it was an
excellent opportunity to see what our

2347
03:09:10,720 --> 03:09:17,840
students are up to. Um I went to the
surf museum opening as well as the uh

2348
03:09:15,840 --> 03:09:23,120
Laguna open. It was a terrific weekend
for Laguna Beach last weekend. Uh so I

2349
03:09:20,800 --> 03:09:27,120
love that. And I attended the governance
committee. I also thought it was a great

2350
03:09:24,479 --> 03:09:31,200
committee um effort. I thought we um
identified a great process that we were

2351
03:09:29,359 --> 03:09:33,840
going to push forward the ones that and
we have done it this way before, but I

2352
03:09:32,880 --> 03:09:41,439
thought it was great to have it
established that we're pushing through

2353
03:09:35,600 --> 03:09:45,520
some of the more clerical changes to um
to policies and that we're going to use

2354
03:09:43,760 --> 03:09:51,359
the governance committee to get dive
deeper into some of those policies and

2355
03:09:47,040 --> 03:09:56,479
and that actually has at I think four
um four parents I think that align um

2356
03:09:54,960 --> 03:09:59,359
together
with fuel but not um and that was so

2357
03:09:58,479 --> 03:10:03,760
that was great. It was a good
conversation. I thought it was really

2358
03:10:00,479 --> 03:10:06,760
really helpful. Um okay and then I think
otherwise

2359
03:10:10,560 --> 03:10:18,399
I think that was it. So thank you very
much. That's my report.

2360
03:10:14,479 --> 03:10:22,000
Um okay the next item is the
approval of the ad hoc transportation

2361
03:10:20,160 --> 03:10:27,279
committee for the 2627 school year
through June 30th 2027. I've been asked

2362
03:10:24,720 --> 03:10:31,840
to introduce this item. Uh this item has
come up because the transportation

2363
03:10:28,880 --> 03:10:38,479
committee that wrapped up the 26 the 25
26 school year um has requested to

2364
03:10:35,520 --> 03:10:44,600
continue because they have um items that
they would like to continue to explore

2365
03:10:40,160 --> 03:10:44,600
and address. Um

2366
03:10:45,120 --> 03:10:53,359
I know that member uh Perry was on is on
this committee and I think that um

2367
03:10:52,160 --> 03:10:56,240
trying to find the emails. I don't know
if it really matters, but I know that

2368
03:10:54,640 --> 03:10:59,279
there was a long list of some things
that have come up that they would like

2369
03:10:57,920 --> 03:11:05,439
to address and they're concerned with
and I think um bring keeping this

2370
03:11:02,479 --> 03:11:10,080
committee going is important. So the
right now the request is for new members

2371
03:11:07,920 --> 03:11:15,359
to fill out an application. I would like
to request that this item be moved

2372
03:11:11,840 --> 03:11:18,160
forward and um give those that are
already on the committee the ability to

2373
03:11:16,880 --> 03:11:22,560
return to the committee without having
to file an application. But so that's

2374
03:11:20,319 --> 03:11:27,120
that's the item and I'd like to see if
there's any board questions starting

2375
03:11:23,840 --> 03:11:30,000
with the student board reps
and and just for reference it is the

2376
03:11:28,720 --> 03:11:33,279
student one of the student board reps
are one of the ones that have asked for

2377
03:11:31,120 --> 03:11:37,040
this to come back. So um bringing their
voice forward so that's great. No

2378
03:11:34,960 --> 03:11:41,680
questions. Okay. Member Kelly member
Hills.

2379
03:11:39,040 --> 03:11:45,200
Okay. Dr. Malchesky.
>> Yeah. I actually I mean I don't really

2380
03:11:43,520 --> 03:11:49,520
care if people want to keep meeting but
I am actually curious about what has to

2381
03:11:48,080 --> 03:11:53,359
still be done because so much was
accomplished last year and it seemed to

2382
03:11:51,760 --> 03:11:57,040
me that the one thing that was left
which was the problem of the bus

2383
03:11:54,720 --> 03:12:02,640
monitors is an administrative issue not
a committee meeting issue. Um again I

2384
03:12:01,200 --> 03:12:06,080
don't really care. It's just a lot of
staff time and stuff to have to be

2385
03:12:04,479 --> 03:12:09,600
managing these meetings. And I think
that if we're going to continue an ad

2386
03:12:07,840 --> 03:12:14,720
hoc committee meeting, we should just
have some idea of what the goals of the

2387
03:12:12,080 --> 03:12:17,520
meeting are.
>> And those are goals that we establish in

2388
03:12:16,240 --> 03:12:20,840
the committee. Did you want to volunteer
for the committee?

2389
03:12:22,000 --> 03:12:27,120
» No, we're not doing
meeting right now.

2390
03:12:24,880 --> 03:12:31,279
» I was asking No, but if we pick this
back up again. So, um I have a couple of

2391
03:12:29,760 --> 03:12:35,600
things that again that the committee has
asked to bring to bring forward. um they

2392
03:12:33,760 --> 03:12:38,880
want some information on the on some new
on some new systems that we've put in

2393
03:12:37,279 --> 03:12:43,840
place, bus monitors. They'd like to have
another um meet with the uh Durham team

2394
03:12:42,000 --> 03:12:48,319
and so I think as a team they feel that
they've got more work to do and um have

2395
03:12:46,319 --> 03:12:54,560
requested that it comes back. So there
is a series of emails about that uh and

2396
03:12:50,720 --> 03:13:01,760
that's why this item is here tonight.
>> So again, I I um you know I I I don't

2397
03:12:59,680 --> 03:13:06,399
know why we we need these subcommittees.
I I'm glad about what the transportation

2398
03:13:03,840 --> 03:13:09,600
committee meeting accomplished.
Those two things don't sound like a

2399
03:13:08,000 --> 03:13:13,680
reason to have a committee meet for a
whole year. Again, I don't really care,

2400
03:13:11,920 --> 03:13:18,479
but it seems like a lot of resources
going into subcommittee meetings, and

2401
03:13:15,520 --> 03:13:22,080
I'm not even clear what the agenda is,
but you know, if you guys want to keep

2402
03:13:20,479 --> 03:13:28,560
meeting,
godspeed.

2403
03:13:23,920 --> 03:13:31,680
This this was a request from parents and
um another part of that is

2404
03:13:30,000 --> 03:13:33,040
» and the student and students
>> students

2405
03:13:32,080 --> 03:13:39,520
» and students. Yeah.
>> Um because of things that still are

2406
03:13:36,080 --> 03:13:45,600
problematic and I had another request
from some special education parents on

2407
03:13:42,720 --> 03:13:48,640
some transportation issues there.
>> So,

2408
03:13:46,399 --> 03:13:53,920
» you're welcome. Okay. So, I need a
motion. Um are there Okay. Uh, are there

2409
03:13:52,399 --> 03:13:58,080
any board comments on this item or I
mean any comments from the public D on

2410
03:13:55,520 --> 03:14:01,840
this item? Clerk Perry, do we have any
speaker cards? Okay, so no speaker

2411
03:14:00,080 --> 03:14:05,359
cards. Um, are there any other comments
from the board?

2412
03:14:03,200 --> 03:14:08,720
» No. Okay, I need a motion to approve the
ad hoc committ committee for 2627. Thank

2413
03:14:07,680 --> 03:14:11,359
you. I need a second.
>> Second.

2414
03:14:09,359 --> 03:14:17,680
» Thank you. All in favor?
>> I Thank you.

2415
03:14:14,560 --> 03:14:23,359
» Thank you. Motion passes. Um, okay. Last
item is item 10. Is this Yeah. Last

2416
03:14:20,319 --> 03:14:28,479
item, item 10. I would I might win in my
head. Um, okay. The last item is item 10

2417
03:14:26,800 --> 03:14:32,800
A, the approval of the consent calendar,
items B through L. Clerk Perry, are

2418
03:14:30,319 --> 03:14:36,960
there any speaker cards on these items?
>> Okay. Are there any items that members

2419
03:14:34,800 --> 03:14:39,840
um have questions on that do not require
pulling the items or any items that need

2420
03:14:38,640 --> 03:14:42,720
to be pulled?
>> Students, no.

2421
03:14:40,800 --> 03:14:45,680
» I just had
>> Dr. Kelly. No. Howard?

2422
03:14:44,880 --> 03:14:48,000
» I do.
>> Okay. What item would you like pulled or

2423
03:14:47,279 --> 03:14:52,080
is it just a question?
>> Well, I don't I have two uh minor edits

2424
03:14:50,399 --> 03:14:57,279
to the minutes. So, do I have to pull
that to do that?

2425
03:14:53,840 --> 03:15:05,359
» Okay. So, the first is um the minutes
for September 10th uh state that the can

2426
03:15:01,439 --> 03:15:12,160
the that CSA endorsed the candidates,
but the number is wrong. It was 98% of

2427
03:15:08,479 --> 03:15:15,760
CSEA members endorsed the candidates. Um
I don't know how many supported me

2428
03:15:13,920 --> 03:15:19,680
measure A, but I wondered if the numbers
just got flipped. So, you might want to

2429
03:15:17,359 --> 03:15:23,359
check that. And for the August minutes,
um, just wanted to clarify, Ryan Dak,

2430
03:15:21,840 --> 03:15:26,560
uh, I had met with him. He's from the
South Orange County Community College

2431
03:15:25,200 --> 03:15:29,040
District.
>> Where are those?

2432
03:15:27,920 --> 03:15:32,800
» The August minutes.
>> The August. What?

2433
03:15:30,800 --> 03:15:35,760
» It's just filling in Ryan Dak's title.
>> Yeah, I know. I just want to look at it

2434
03:15:34,000 --> 03:15:39,160
and see. I like to follow along.
>> Just said 87%.

2435
03:15:39,760 --> 03:15:44,720
» Yeah, she said 87%.
>> That was Laboua. She's talking about

2436
03:15:43,200 --> 03:15:52,880
CSA.
Yeah, 87% of Laboufa voted, 100%

2437
03:15:48,160 --> 03:15:56,640
endorsed. CSEA, 98% of the people who
voted endorsed.

2438
03:15:54,960 --> 03:16:01,920
So, I just want to make sure the minutes
reflect that correctly.

2439
03:15:59,040 --> 03:16:09,359
» Great. Uh, okay. Anything else? Um, D,
you said you had a couple.

2440
03:16:04,720 --> 03:16:12,359
Oh, I just had um I just wondered why
the

2441
03:16:13,359 --> 03:16:22,960
occupational therapist is part of CSEA.
>> I can speak to that D. So back in 2009,

2442
03:16:21,680 --> 03:16:27,520
the position was classified
unrepresented. So when we decided to

2443
03:16:25,200 --> 03:16:31,520
bring the it back in house, I brought it
back as as the same uh as the same

2444
03:16:29,600 --> 03:16:37,760
placement. And then when meeting with
with CSEA there's a they said if the

2445
03:16:34,880 --> 03:16:41,680
position doesn't supervise anyone then
it technically qualifies as a CSEA

2446
03:16:39,920 --> 03:16:46,560
position and I met with legal counsel
and he they confirmed that the position

2447
03:16:44,000 --> 03:16:50,560
should be under the umbrella of CSEA. So
we went through the process to to bring

2448
03:16:48,319 --> 03:16:57,760
it under under CSA.
>> Okay. I thought um because other

2449
03:16:53,120 --> 03:17:03,279
therapists are under Dr. Mayberry maybe
and this person also works on IEPs etc.

2450
03:17:00,880 --> 03:17:05,200
that it would be more of a laba thing
but

2451
03:17:03,920 --> 03:17:09,840
» yeah unfortunately the occupational
therapist does not have a credential

2452
03:17:06,640 --> 03:17:15,080
through the CTC so it uh it can't be a
certificated position.

2453
03:17:11,040 --> 03:17:15,080
» Okay. Thanks.

2454
03:17:15,359 --> 03:17:23,840
» Okay. Thank you. I just had two quick
things. Um item H uh approval to renew

2455
03:17:19,920 --> 03:17:27,040
the contract with good trust.
Um I know we talked about that earlier.

2456
03:17:25,279 --> 03:17:32,800
This is the state planning that we offer
to the employees, right?

2457
03:17:29,359 --> 03:17:35,600
» Yeah. During the 20 24 or 25 26, the
wellness committee. So, we have a

2458
03:17:34,160 --> 03:17:40,960
district wellness committee that meets
quarterly and they look at ways to

2459
03:17:38,160 --> 03:17:44,560
provide various benefits be it you know
wellness benefits from physical wellness

2460
03:17:42,560 --> 03:17:49,920
to financial wellness. So we had come
across this product and the committee um

2461
03:17:47,439 --> 03:17:53,760
went ahead and recommended it to uh to
the prior board to to get approved and

2462
03:17:52,479 --> 03:17:57,920
again it's been it's been a great
resource for staff that are utilizing

2463
03:17:55,040 --> 03:18:02,080
it. It's a completely digital you know
will trust platform. Um so this is just

2464
03:18:00,720 --> 03:18:06,399
bringing it back for renewal.
>> Okay. Is that now I see the fiscal

2465
03:18:04,080 --> 03:18:08,640
impact is 83.88. What does that cost the
employees?

2466
03:18:07,520 --> 03:18:11,040
» There's no cost to the employees.
>> There's no cost. So we pick up the tab

2467
03:18:09,920 --> 03:18:15,840
on that. I mean it's not doesn't look
like it's just it's an annual fee for

2468
03:18:13,359 --> 03:18:18,319
anyone um to have access to it plus I
think several of their their family

2469
03:18:17,279 --> 03:18:21,760
members as well.
>> Yeah. Okay. Yeah, I see that four um I

2470
03:18:20,239 --> 03:18:25,760
think it's financial wellness benefit
for all employees and up to four family

2471
03:18:23,279 --> 03:18:29,120
members. So that's a great service. So
thank you for bringing that forward. And

2472
03:18:26,960 --> 03:18:33,120
then item K, approval of Nicole Miller
Associates Services Agreement. What

2473
03:18:31,200 --> 03:18:36,239
services? She does investigation. What
services? What kind of investigations

2474
03:18:34,720 --> 03:18:43,239
does she do?
>> Uh she handles instructional services

2475
03:18:38,160 --> 03:18:43,239
and personnel. um investigations.

2476
03:18:48,000 --> 03:18:54,640
» Does she do all of our investigations if
any complaint comes forward?

2477
03:18:52,319 --> 03:19:00,080
» No, it's she's utilized when it's a it's
a complaint that's maybe sensitive in

2478
03:18:56,160 --> 03:19:04,200
nature or one that um could be lead to
potential legal implications.

2479
03:19:04,399 --> 03:19:10,560
» Okay. Thank you. That's the only
questions that I have. Do I need a

2480
03:19:07,359 --> 03:19:12,399
motion to approve items B through L?
>> Second.

2481
03:19:11,359 --> 03:19:15,840
» All in favor?
>> I I

2482
03:19:14,319 --> 03:19:20,319
» Thank you. That passes. Thank you.
Student board reps. Okay. Um our last

2483
03:19:18,399 --> 03:19:24,399
item, if anybody would have said 9:30,
they would have won.

2484
03:19:22,399 --> 03:19:28,960
Um our next regular meeting is October
8th and we have do we have any

2485
03:19:27,520 --> 03:19:34,319
governance meetings or committees and
prior to that? I don't think so.

2486
03:19:31,359 --> 03:19:39,520
Victoria, can we start scheduling um
transportation and then also opening up

2487
03:19:36,319 --> 03:19:42,479
applications? Can we do that?
>> We Yes.

2488
03:19:40,399 --> 03:19:45,760
» Okay.
>> That's already set.

2489
03:19:44,000 --> 03:19:52,080
» Yeah. Okay. All right. So, I have a
motion to adjurnn. I need a second.

2490
03:19:49,520 --> 03:19:57,160
» That was Howard. And then all in favor?
>> Great. Thank you so much. Meeting is

2491
03:19:53,680 --> 03:19:57,160
adjourned at 9:28.