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Thank you, Ms. Leigh. On behalf of the City of Lincoln Hills, I want to thank everyone for attending this meeting and welcome you all to this

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of Gunna Hills City Council regular meeting for today to stay February 23rd. It is now 7 o'clock PM and I'm calling this meeting to order.

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We will begin with the pledge of allegiance led by Council Member Wheeler, Mr Wheeler.

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Thank you, Mr Wheeler. Ms. Leigh, may we please have the roll call?

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Let the record show we have a quorum with all council members present in chamber.

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Thank you, Ms. Leigh. Tonight, our first presentation will be our Laguna Hills student liaison report from Daria Artaholene.

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Ms. Artaholene, would you please approach the podium and provide your report.

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Hello, Laguna Hills City Council members. My name is Daria Artaholene and I am one of your student liaison for this spring semester.

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I am so excited to provide you all with a brief overview of the current happenings at Laguna Hills High School.

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And I hope you will gain some insight into the lives of our students.

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So far, all LHHS students are continuing to learn through a fully online or hybrid platform.

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Even though campus life has dramatically altered from the norm, students and staff have found creative ways to stay safe and bring about school activities.

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First up, LHHS fall sports has been moved to winter during January through March while some to spring march through June.

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After 11 months, a pause athletics for LHHS cross country are own hot carriers hosted their first knee of the season at her own iconic Kevin Demsey Cross Country course at LHHS.

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With determination and grit, our boys won a victory of 27 to 30 against Beckman High School.

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Next up, LHHS academic clubs and electives have found creative ways to keep up with their scheduled normal activities in an adaptable manner for the pandemic.

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The California Scholarship Federation Board CSF continues to keep up with their promise of tutoring LHHS students.

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The CSF members strive weekly to help those who need guidance with school work each weekday from 12pm to 145pm.

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Also, LHHS MUN just had their first annual conference last Saturday on the 20th.

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Our MUN students have been working so hard since November specifically preparing for this new online platform MUN command.

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For this year's conference, LHHS MUN students virtually hosted over 10 different high schools.

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LHHS students had the option of leading their own student committees at home or at school socially distance with masks in the classroom.

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The conference was a hit and LHHS chairs received a lot of positive feedback further organization on this new online platform.

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Lastly, the LHHS Arts Department has been working hard trying to find ways to still pursue normal arts activities in a safe manner.

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Just recently, LHHS theater had auditions for their spring musical Little Shop of Forest.

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Questions arose on how rehearsals would be instructed.

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But our drama teacher Mrs. Lorrick has been working closely with our school staff to make sure that rehearsals will be in small groups socially distance outside and with masks.

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Furthermore, sections of the show itself will be filled on different weekdays during April to then be edited together in May for the virtual recording presentation.

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Although this musical will not have in-person seating, LHHS theater students are optimistic for the result of this new experience to be just as memorable.

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In general, the hardships of this pandemic, LHHS students and staff have remained diligent and optimistic to continue their normal high school activities but in a creative way.

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I hope I was able to give you an inclusive look into the lives of students at Laguna Hills High School.

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Go Hawks.

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Thank you, Ms. Art Alley.

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Now, we would like to take the time to recognize our interim city manager, slash assistant manager, public service directors, slash city engineer, or 25 years of wonderful service with the city of Laguna Hills.

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Do I have a motion to move staff's recommendation to adopt the proposed resolution?

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I will move it.

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Thank you, Mr. Hunt.

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Do I have a second?

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Second.

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Second by Council Member Wheeler.

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Okay, that all those in favor, I opposed that motion passes unanimously.

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And I would like to pass the floor on to Mayor Pro Tem, such a way because I feel that he has served the city longer than all of us Council members to provide some information about Mr. Rosenfield.

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Sure, I'd be happy to do that.

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It's quite an accomplishment and not the norm nowadays for one to stay with the organization as loyally and as faithfully as Kim Rosenfield has for the city of Laguna Hills.

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25 years is pretty close to as long as this city has been around.

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And so much of the quality of life that we enjoy in the city is in part a reflection of the efforts that Mr. Rosenfield has made on our behalf.

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And so as a representing our city council, I'd just like to just mention a few things that Ken has done throughout the years and of course as we know he now leads us as our interim city manager.

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He's the first employee director of public services and city engineer for the city.

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During his tenure, he managed the department responsible for all the streets, the traffic signals, storm drainage, street sweeping parks, maintenance, landscape maintenance, tree maintenance, graffiti removal, the operations responsibilities are second only to police services in budgeted work.

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Mr. Rosenfield's also been responsible for the budgeting and execution of the city's capital improvement program.

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He's personally managed over 120 capital improvement projects during his tenure with the city representing over $122 million of investment into this city.

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He was the project in construction manager for the Community Center and the sports complex and was a part of the management team for the construction of this city center in which we had this meeting.

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Mr. Rosenfield's also been active outside of the city by way of being the past president of the Orange County City Engineers Association, twice being the chair of the Orange County Transportation Authority Technical Advisory Committee.

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Responsible for procedures and guidelines, development for the implementation of both measure M and measure two.

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Mr. Rosenfield's been active in his professional organization, the American Society of Civil Engineers where he currently serves and the director for region nine the state of California representing over 18,000 civil engineer members.

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So we are grateful to have Mr. Rosenfield lead our city currently in his capacity as our sort of our CEO, our city.

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And but also over the past 25 years in maintaining our city's physical structures and capacity and the beauty of our city for as long as he has.

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And the fact that you might ask yourself, well, probably didn't have much to do because we just don't have a lot of graffiti in the city, well, we do because we have something to clean it up.

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Or you know, our streets said they're already so nice. We don't really need to work on our streets very much. They're nice because Mr. Rosenfield.

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So same can be said about parks and many of the other items that we have the city center, the community center.

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There really are a model for other cities and much of that is due to his time and efforts. So we thank him.

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Thank you Mayor Pritim Sedrick. So on behalf of the city of Laguna Hills, I want to provide you with the certificate of recognition for your 25 years of service.

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We appreciate everything you do.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I just wanted to say that I was elected in 2016 and I remember Ken received his 20 year award right around this time in 2017.

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And I remember thinking, oh my gosh, this city has a lot of longevity and it says a lot about the city and, you know, the quality of people that come to work here.

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And I just want to say I've thoroughly enjoyed working with you and definitely excited about you moving up to the city manager position.

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So congratulations.

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Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Yes. Councilmember Weenler.

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Yeah, I want to make a few comments too.

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I was watching Dean Martin Rose the other night. I was thinking, man, that would be something nice to do tonight, but I guess we probably can't do that.

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Maybe we should have got a broom maybe, and we could have given it to you with an engrave or something to clean up.

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When I first started with city and got involved, I was a traffic commissioner and kind of guided me in and taught me the ropes and where they're all the camps that the lights and all kind of stuff like that.

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Great guy does a great job. I really appreciate him.

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Thank you for all he does.

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Thank you very much.

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Well, if everybody's going to say something, I guess.

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So I had the good fortune of meeting Ken a little over 20 years ago now, believe it or not when I served on parks and racks.

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And what I want to know is how he looks the same today as he looked back then.

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But really he's a great guy, a very calm, major guy, a true pro and we're lucky to have him as the city manager.

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Thanks.

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Thank you very much.

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Appreciate it.

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Okay. Since everyone has provided a comment, I will mention this.

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As a new council member, I served on a committee and Mr. Rosenfeld.

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He appeared at this committee as well.

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And I will tell you that everyone who I spoke to said you're so fortunate to have Mr. Rosenfeld, you're so fortunate.

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He is responsible for this organization. He's done this.

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I mean, I couldn't believe I was overwhelmed.

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So it is very nice to have Mr. Rosenfeld assisting us with the city right now.

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So thank you.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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So now is the time for public comments.

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Any member of the public may address the city council on any matter not listed on the agenda that is within the subject matter jurisdiction of the city council.

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Public comments are limited to three minutes per person and overall time limit of ten minutes for any one subject and a total time limit of 30 minutes.

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Ms. Lee, are there any email comments to be announced?

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Madam Mayor, we did receive two email comments that were reported to the council in advance of the meeting.

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Tish Chamberlain sent an email regarding public profanity and Lori Becker sent an email asking for action from the city council.

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Thank you, Ms. Lee.

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Is there anyone in the chamber who would like to address the city council on items not listed on the agenda tonight?

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Madam Mayor, we have five public speakers wishing to address the council.

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We will start with Mike Maureen.

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If you could approach the podium.

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Thank you for listening to my issue.

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Mike Maureen, a resident of Laguna Woods in near vicinity of St. George church of the corner of El Toro on CO5.

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The church has events every weekend with extremely loud speakers that always go past eight o'clock

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and even at times at ten o'clock at night.

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Many residents in the neighborhood are quite disturbed by this.

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We have contacted the church event department, but they brutally reject our complaint.

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We have contacted the police several times that are successfully stopped them.

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But the problem exists.

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I am wondering if they have a permit for this event and if they do whether they are violating the term of that permit.

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Thank you.

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Mr. Maureen, at this time the item is not on the agenda.

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However, if you do provide your contact information, I can have our city manager contact you with your questions.

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Linda Williams, if you'd have approached the podium?

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I live in Laguna Village, condominium complex, and they sent out a thing today to suggest we come

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because our street and like maybe 150 residents were affected by the mailbox, break-ins,

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where they used crowbars and broke up in the backs of them and took the mail out,

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whatever, but mostly it was like for two months at least of not being able to really even get the mail

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because when you went to the post office, they wouldn't give it to us, and then we got a PO box

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and they wouldn't forward it there either. So it was quite a hassle, so we're just hoping for,

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I think we do have security but increased patrols for that and a lot of cars getting broken into

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and even that street and front were people's speed still. So that's about it.

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Thank you, Ms. Williams.

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Don Ford, if you'd have approached the podium?

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Good evening.

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Madam Mayor and all of the city council.

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I'm here because there's been like a lot of climb throughout Laguna Hills, different things.

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Cadillet converters being taken off cars, breaking into cars, just stealing chains.

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Just numerous things, like the slopes that are on a leash apart away.

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They're just getting really run down. The homeowners are not like taking care of the property,

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so when you look on one side of a leash up between the sale of the Valencia and Casto,

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on the right hand side going towards the freeway, it just really looks awful because they're not

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trimming the trees. There's like major pine trees that are like really leaning.

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There's ice plant that's growing on the sidewalk that's blocking half the sidewalk.

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And like some of them have a chain length fence, some don't.

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I mean, it's just, I don't know what you guys can do because I know those homeowners, you know,

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on that side of the property, but on the other side of the leash that they don't,

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and it's like, I mean, you're different when you're driving up and down the leash and parkway.

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The post office, that's another major concern.

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I don't know how you guys can put up with it.

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It's like next to the hospital, next to where patients go in for their, you know,

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their physicals to see their doctors.

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And it's on a main drag and everyone sees it and it represents our city.

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Those palm trees, I don't think they've been cut in at least five to eight years.

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There's palm funds that are completely dried that are laying on the ground.

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The amount has been actually went over there on Sunday to go put them in our van and do like three van loads of them,

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but it's just a dinner and look like we did a dent and they're like,

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Matt sticks because they're so dry.

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Like, I don't know who's supposed to maintain that.

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I know it's supposed to be federal property, but it should be maintained to where it's a nice place where we can go and drop off our mail.

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And the other thing is just little things like in Costa Park, basketball hoop and the net.

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It was broken and it hasn't been replaced.

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Clarence and Park, there's like a cement pillar.

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It's been broken and it hasn't been fixed.

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This is things like that numerous street lights that I've called in and told to be fixed and they're still not fixed.

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In Mandaville Park, there is one light that's on the walking path.

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That's out and it should be fixed.

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And the other thing, the major thing is ridge route behind the DMP.

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Dragon between on molten and Santa of Victoria, I think it's called.

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One lane has been asphalted, but the three other lanes going back and forth and in all those communities is just absolutely horrible.

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I mean, I'm driving my car. It's not good for the suspension.

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And a lot of people have complained about that.

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I'm actually on a Facebook page and I run it for residents of Lagone Hills.

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And so they can go on their own voice, whatever they want or they want to get advice or they see someone do on something.

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So I asked them, do you guys see things around our cities, what's going on?

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So that's when people have given me some complaints.

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And over on the by path, that's a lease over by the community center going into the aromas.

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There was one man that was riding a bike.

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And he got on the accident ended up in the hospital last July because there's two routes that are lifting up the bike path over there.

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And it still has not been fixed.

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And there's just cracks inside walks like in a El Conejo park.

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And actually on balance, that behind Lomerania school, when they're coming down the stairs, a woman had tripped over there when she was getting her grandkids from school.

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So just things like that.

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I'm just thinking that our money should be going towards some of this stuff for safety.

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I mean, because some of these things are going to end up in lawsuits through the city.

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And I hate to see that happen when some of this stuff is like little stuff to be done.

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And I think that's about it.

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I have a list that I can submit after the meeting.

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Thank you, Ms. Ford.

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If you provide us with your information, I will have our city manager contact.

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Okay, thank you so much for your time.

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Have a good evening.

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David, I'll flank her if you would have approached the podium.

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Hello, everyone.

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Thank you for hearing me.

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I appreciate all of your time.

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Thank you.

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25 years.

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Thank you.

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The reason I'm here is I live in Laguna Village.

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I'm sorry.

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Little nervous.

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Laguna Village off the Mill Creek and Ridge Road.

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I'm kind of in the back of that area.

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And as you've probably heard, we've had a rash of crime over the past few months.

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Our mailboxes have all been broken into cars.

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Some cars can't vandalize things like that.

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I have the opportunity of my condo is right on the edge of Mill Creek Road.

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So when I look out my window, I see Mill Creek Road.

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And it used to be an asset and sometimes it still is.

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It's a beautiful road.

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Lot of trees.

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It's very nice.

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But sometimes it's a liability.

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And over the past year, I've seen a lot of, I guess, craziness is a best way I could put it on Mill Creek Road.

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Mostly at night.

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And it's cars that are, a lot of people sleeping in their cars at night on Mill Creek Road.

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I've contacted the police department in a few times.

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They've been very good.

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They go out there.

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I, because of my location, there's a small pathway that leads right down into Laguna Village.

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And I have had strange folks.

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They used, I used to have out around that chair as right outside my bedroom window.

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Those are gone because they're sitting out there in their smoking.

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Because they're sitting on, they sleep in their car on Mill Creek Road.

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And they come down and have a cigarette or whatever.

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They've used our area like a personal dump.

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I've seen cigarettes pitched out into our community, which concerns me because it is high brush.

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There is, palm trees that, it's a fire hazard.

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I guess it's what I'm trying to say.

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I have photos.

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During the day, it's not too bad.

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There might be one car.

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One specific car that I have seen for the past year that just parks there on Mill Creek Road.

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It doesn't bother me.

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I'm not accusing anyone.

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But there seems to be a correlation between all the cars that are building up.

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And also we're getting this fresh occurring.

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It's simple to go right down this pathway.

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Do what you gotta do.

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Go up the pathway, hop in your car and be out.

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So I've noticed though, when, I guess it would be great if a little more police patrol.

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A little presence would be wonderful.

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That helps a lot.

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You know, if they see someone sleeping in their car.

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I still doubt for these people.

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I'm not trying to, you know, I have sympathy.

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But at the same time, you know, I'm seeing things that look like drug transactions.

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But I don't know.

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I don't want to accuse anyone.

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But again, I can't help but notice because it's my living room window.

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It overlooks it.

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The other part of it is I now have my wife that's working from home.

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Due to COVID, by herself for a day and she won't open the blinds.

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Because she's too intimidated by, you know, we almost know which cars they are.

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Occasional RVs, RVs are really bad for a while too.

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It's gotten a little better.

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I get it.

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It's a public road and I get it.

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Everyone has the right to park there.

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I have no problem with that.

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It's the cars that park there and don't leave or spend the night.

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And the other cars are coming up to them.

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And then weird stuff's happening.

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And it's happening 30 feet from my bedroom window.

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So that's where I get concerned.

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So yeah, that's that's why I'm here.

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It's just a bring it to your attention.

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And maybe a little more fleece pleasant at night.

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I think would go a long way.

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And then the other part of it is I do notice that we get street sweeping on Sunday nights.

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And it just misses milk.

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The last part of milk creek right.

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I live because all these cars are parked there.

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I notice some of the neighboring streets have the signs that say,

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you know, no parking on Friday between 8 a.m.

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to 12 p.m.

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due to street sweeping.

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We get our streets sweeping between eight to 12 on Sunday.

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Sunday evenings.

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If people knew that, maybe they wouldn't.

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Loiter there.

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Maybe if they saw some signage saying that street sweeping will take place on Sunday.

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I hate to see the expense of the street sweeper come by.

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Which I appreciate.

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But they have to go around all these cars that don't move.

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Have to car's hair is stored.

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I mean, I could point them out to you.

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I live there.

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But again, a sign for that is a beautiful road.

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And I just want it.

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It's not bad yet.

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I don't want it to turn into something bad.

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Like an encampment or something like that.

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It seems like it's starting to happen.

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So I just want to bring that to you guys to your attention.

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And that's it.

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But thank you very much for hearing me out.

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And again, thank you for your 25 years of service.

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I appreciate it.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I will have our city manager contact you.

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I'm if you leave your information with us.

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Okay.

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Thank you very much.

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Danielle Bellinger.

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If you'd approach the podium.

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Can I take this?

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Can I take this?

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I'm done six year away.

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Okay.

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Good evening, everybody.

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Thank you, Madam Mayor, for inviting us to this evening.

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My name is Danielle Bellinger.

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I am the general manager for Laguna Village on our association.

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On behalf of our 914 unit, condominium association.

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The second largest community in Laguna Hills.

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We are seeking support and solution from the Laguna Hills City Council.

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In my six years as an association manager, I've never had to step in and attend

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the City Council meeting to explain producery duty in such a way as to point out

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the safety of our citizens should always take priority over personal gain.

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If the council is opening up funding, the priority should be the city's safety.

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And not the council members perks.

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It is my understanding that the license plate readers have been an item of discussion for approximately two years.

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Had these plate readers been in place.

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Even a year ago, law enforcement would have caught the career criminals who started the atrocity

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that dramatically affected our community.

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In the last year, the crime leave that has taken hold of our city has affected our members greatly.

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Two thirds of our mailbox clusters were broken into affecting approximately half of

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the community which equates to nearly 1,000 members.

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Two vehicles have been stolen.

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Six vehicles have been broken into and or severely vandalized.

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Our gym was broken into which resulted in the thefts of all of our free weights.

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Please know that we too are doing our part to keep our members safe.

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We employ patrol and security company.

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We have upgraded our camera security system.

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We follow our active community neighborhood watch on next door.

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And we did bring our concerns to the city council at the January Council meeting.

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And lastly, we have had 6, 6, 6, 6 down.

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Takes a minute to get out.

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Conversations with local representative law representatives.

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We are asking the council to prioritize the safety of our citizens.

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By installing license plate readers to stop career criminals.

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To run continuing to target our city.

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To provide more officers to show an increase in law enforcement.

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And to install stop signs on Santa Victoria to prevent accidents from speeding.

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We are requesting that safety solutions be added to the next agenda as a topic for discussion.

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Thank you all for your attention to our city safety.

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And who do I get my card to for contact?

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Yes, please provide it to us, Lee.

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And I will have Mr. Residential contact to you.

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Thank you.

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That is all the public speakers.

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Thank you, Miss Lee.

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And we will now move on to our consent calendar.

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All matters listed under consent calendar are considered to be routine.

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And we will be enacted by one motion of proving the recommendation listed on the agenda.

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There will be no separate discussion unless members of the city council or staff request specific items to be removed from the consent calendar.

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Would any of our fellow council members like to remove an item from the consent calendar?

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Yes, I would like to remove about 3.8.

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I would like to remove 3.9.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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Move the bell.

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Thank you. Second, okay, the item has been moved by mayor approach and such, and seconded by council member Hunt, all those in favour, aye, aye, opposed.

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That motion passes unanimously. We will now move to item 3.8, council member Wheeler, you have the floor.

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Yes, 3.8 on the consent count is tied very heavily to an item later in the agenda, which is 6.2.1.

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I know the background on it, but I'm not sure if all the council members know the type between these.

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I spoke to Mr. Rosenfield earlier yesterday, and I'd like to, you know, if the council like entertain delaying the consideration until after 6.2.1.

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So that you can sort of hear the basis of why this one is on and being done the way it is.

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Sure?

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We need a motion for that.

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Do you want to make that motion?

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So make a motion that we delay 3.8 until after 6.2.1.

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I'll second it.

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The mayor can just, if you want to do that on the agenda, if you have consensus by everybody, you can move the item on it to discuss it later.

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Okay, I would like, would it be all right if we heard from Mr. Rosenfield?

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Sure.

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Thank you, Mayor, members of the city council.

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Item 3.8 is would be considered a relatively routine extension of a current consulting services agreement for the firm called economics, which helps us with our trash and waste requirements that the state imposes on the city.

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Item 6.2.1 is an explanation of some of the regulations that are coming from the state that economics is working on.

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So they are related in that nature.

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Staff does not object if you want to delay the action until after 6.2.1.

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But we would ask that you do act on it today because it is timely.

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Thank you, Mr. Rosenfield.

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So I see we move the item as directed by councilmember Wheeler.

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And do we need a vote for that?

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If you have a consensus of everybody just with a nods, then it's okay just to do it that way.

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Okay, thank you.

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Okay, councilmember Heft 3.9.

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Yes.

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The reason I moved this is I just wanted to actually commend staff.

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I looked through the General Plan progress report and one of the most important things to me,

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you know, besides obviously safety and things that we should all be concerned about as councilmembers is our business.

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I think business is small businesses, especially are the heartbeat of America and they're the heartbeat in the backbone of our city here in Laguna Hills.

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And I just wanted to read part of this because I just was really happy to see our staff actively promoting a business-friendly environment that we're welcoming businesses into our city and that we are welcoming them with open arms.

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And it says new business.

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In an effort to promote a business-friendly environment, the city has emphasized providing resources and support for the local business community and to businesses looking to locate

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in the city.

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Consequently, the community development department has met with several commercial property owners and has maintained a regular dialogue regarding issues that impact parking, leasing, uses, and signage.

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In addition, staff has assisted several owners in evaluating conceptual plans from remodeling activities.

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With a support of the community development department, several businesses have been able to locate in the city, including story-makery that sounds like a fun business.

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Laguna golf carts, BBK, psychotherapeutic services, and bare self preservation systems among others.

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By providing assistance to businesses regarding best practices and obtaining zoning permits, necessary to begin tenant renovations, staff has contributed to processes that support businesses.

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And I just wanted to commend staff for the hard work because that's what we're all about making sure we are upholding our businesses here in our city.

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And with that, I will go ahead and move that item.

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There are no more comments.

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Thank you.

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Do we have any comments from any other council members regarding this item?

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All second.

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All right.

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The item has been moved by council member Heft and seconded by Mayor Pritem Sedgewick, all this in favor.

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Say aye.

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Aye.

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Any opposed?

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That motion passes unanimously.

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I will now recess the city council meeting and call to order the regular meeting of the planning agency of the city of Laguna Hills.

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Miss Lee.

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May we please have the roll call?

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Let the record show we have a quorum with all agency members present in chamber.

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Thank you, Miss Lee.

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Now is the time for planning agency public comments.

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Are there any email comments to be announced, Miss Lee?

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Madam Chair, we received no email comments.

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And I have no in person public comments for the planning agency.

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Thank you, Miss Lee.

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We will now move on to item 4.3.1.

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Do I have a motion to prove the minutes of February 9th?

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Second.

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The item has been moved by Mayor Pritem Sedgewick and seconded by council member Heft, all this in favor.

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Aye.

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Opposed.

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That motion passes unanimously.

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We do not have any planning agency administrative reports or public hearing schedule tonight.

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So I will now adjourn the planning agency and reconvane to the city council meeting.

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We also do not have any city council public hearings.

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So we will continue on to administrative reports.

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And currently the city manager has now administrative reports.

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So we will move on to item 6.2.1.

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Deputy City Manager Community Service Director, Mr. Reynolds, you have the floor.

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Yes, thank you.

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Madam Mayor, members of the city council.

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It was April 2019 when staff presented the presentation on SB 1383, the organics waste reduction regulations.

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Caler cycle has spent time with public workshops, including working with haulers, the waste industry to gather comments.

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On these regulations, it's been a long process.

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Caler cycle has approved finalized these regulations as of November of last year.

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And before I go any further with this, I would like to introduce two individuals.

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To my right, we have Trevor Blyth, who is a principal with economics.

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And we also have Craig Dibli, who is the senior sustainability supervisor with CNR.

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If there are questions that they can answer, they'd be more than happy to do so during this presentation.

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So what I would like to achieve with the city council is to provide a review of SB 1383 regulations.

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And then also provide a summary of the work efforts that we have to endeavor in 2021 to accomplish the regulations that are dictated by the state in terms of organic recycling.

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I need this.

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The goals of SB 1383 are first to reduce 50% reduction in statewide disposal of organic waste by 2020.

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The second goal as stated in the regulations is to provide a 75% reduction in statewide disposal of organic waste by 2025.

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And then 20% of currently disposed edible food must be recovered for human consumption by 2025.

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This is stated within the regulations.

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I want to clarify that.

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I know that it created some alarm in 2019.

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We're not talking about recovering food from containers at the curbside that's already been disposed.

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We're talking about implementing programs for food service businesses to donate edible foods to food recovery organizations to get this food to people that really need it.

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There are definitely some food and securities across the state.

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And the other point that I want to make is with these goals.

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These are statewide goals. They're not set on particular jurisdictions.

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It's not that Laguna Hills per se has to divert 75% of its organics from from the waste stream or from landfills by 2025.

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Collectively, it's the entire state.

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What is organic waste? The slide here and in the staff report, it's defined as food waste.

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Rain waste, landscape and pruning waste, food soil paper, mixed with food waste and non hazardous wood waste.

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I'd like to point out on this slide that we were aware of the state's push for organic recycling and rolling this into legislation for many years.

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As a matter of fact, the city of Laguna Hills implemented the first pilot commercial food waste recycling program in southern Orange County in 2011.

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In October of 2014, the city council executed amendment number one to the current franchise agreement with CRNR, which established a permanent commercial food waste recycling program to all commercial waste generators.

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Later that same month, the then Governor Brown signed AB 1826, the mandatory commercial organic recycling into law.

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We've been working diligently with implementing the tiered approach of AB 1826 for mandatory commercial organic.

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This is mandatory for for businesses to recycle and also with that legislation, the burden fell on local jurisdictions to conduct education and outreach to implement programs working with these businesses and to monitor the progress.

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But this legislation can only go so far.

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In hence the genesis of SB 1383, it provides more teeth into the regulations for governments to implement commercial organic recycling and also residential, which I'll speak to in a second.

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Why the focus on organic waste?

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Number one, it's the largest waste stream in California.

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Overall waste generation in California was estimated to be approximately 77.000 tons in 2019 and organic waste comprises two-thirds of that waste stream.

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Also, California throws away 5.6 million tons of food waste every year.

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Food recovery means collecting edible food that would otherwise go to waste and redistribute as I mentioned before into the hands of people that need it.

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According to Caler cycle's last waste characterization, food waste comprises about 18% of what we dispose of the waste stream, what we dispose in landfills.

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And then the final reason of why organic waste produces methane gas in landfills.

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And it's evident that solid waste legislation is tied closely to greenhouse gas reduction legislation, specifically SB 32, that establishes a goal to lower statewide greenhouse gas emissions by 40% below 1990 levels by 2030.

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SB 1383 is part of the state's short-lived climate, pollutants reduction strategy under the umbrella of SB 32.

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So those are the sum of the reasons why.

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Which leads to a summary of the specific regulations and I would be remiss if I didn't start with what is the biggest impact which is to the generators in our community residents and the commercial sector.

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By January 1, 2022.

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Each jurisdiction or a designated name, which means the Haler, must provide an organic waste collection service to all residential and commercial generators.

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And in turn, residents and businesses are required to subscribe to that provided service.

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Next, continuing on with the regulations.

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The local jurisdictions like Laguna Hills must adopt an enforceable ordinance.

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We, as written in the staff report, must procure organic waste products that are produced as a process of the waste material that's collected, such as biofuel for vehicles.

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Maltch compost to name a few.

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And to roll that back in to service in Laguna Hills.

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For instance, with our landscape contractor, we would say.

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We set up a situation where, after the organic waste is collected by CRNR, it would be processed into compost and mulch, in which we can use in service on our landscaping.

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We also must implement inspection and compliance programs, conduct annual audits of the commercial and residential sector to make sure that there's no contamination with disposal of organics.

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Which was resolved in the imposition of penalties for non-compliance.

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And penalties per the regulations begin January 1st of 2024.

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We must establish an edible food recovery program.

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Also conduct public outreach education which we've done since day one with all of these state legislation related to recycling.

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And also plan for capacity.

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And what I mean by that is there's a need for more facilities to process organic waste.

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This car recycle estimates that to stay on the goal of bringing us to 75% organic waste reduction by 2025.

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There would need to be an expansion of facilities by 50 to 100 new facilities to meet the school.

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I'd like to point out that the county takes that lead.

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I'll see, waste recycling is the host of the county's landfills, which we all share.

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And they already have taken steps to establish pilot composting sites.

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Which is important in the long run because when you have local facilities, it's going to reduce the overall cost of service to residents and the commercial sector.

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And then with the regulations.

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And I hope that I paint a picture that this is extensive.

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There's an extensive work effort.

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And even after we have adopted in the organs, even after we have done all the work to get us to that point.

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There's going to be ongoing work required for enforcement compliance as well as maintaining records and reports that we have to submit to calorie cycle.

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And this is just a list on this slide of all of the records and reports that we would need to keep track of and to submit to calorie cycle in our review of compliance.

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Well, ship gears here a bit and go into the collection of the organic waste and the other waste streams.

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Counter-cycle recognizes a cafeteria plan if you will based on how jurisdictions across the state may process that material and he's based constraints that they have at the curb site.

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So they offer several or actually three options.

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The first being a one container collection service where a black container will collect all waste.

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And then it must be sent to a high diversion or a high recovery facility.

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That's going to recover all the content and put it into its right stream for reuse and recycling.

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This is tad though with a stringent recovery standard of 75% so that facility must guarantee that it can recover organic content of 75% otherwise they lose that designation.

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The two container collection service takes it under step where one container is set for the collection of segregated waste and the other would be for mixed waste.

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And in this example with a green and the black cart the green would collect the organic waste.

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The black would be for all the non-organic waste and the non-organic recyclables which would be sent to a facility to recover other recyclables.

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And it is also tagged with the stringent recovery standard of 75%.

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This leads to the three container collection service.

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It is source separation.

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It is shifting the burden on to the generators.

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The residents, the commercial businesses, to separate waste.

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This is the most popular, most I would say, prominent service across the state.

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It's what we use in here in Laguna Hills and this surrounding communities are using the three container collection service.

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Organics under this model are prohibited from the black container.

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Organics would be segregated for collection and the green container and recyclables, non-organic recyclables would be segregated for collection and the blue container.

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So carrying this forward a little bit further.

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There is a colder standards that the state wants uniform for all local jurisdictions.

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And that is a green container for the collection of organics which is limited to food waste, the yard waste, green waste and other organic materials.

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The blue container standard is for all the non-organic recyclables such as traditional bottles, cans, plastic paper and cardboard recycling.

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And the grey container is limited to waste that is not organic or recyclable.

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With the intent of lessening the amount of material that is going in that container which will end up in the landfill.

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So on this slide, I thought it would be a good idea to compare the state standards with what we currently have in service in Lebanon Hills.

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The state standards, 1, 2, and 3, starting with the green container organics.

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The language here is the specific from SBTHwork 133 regulations, where it provides some leverage for jurisdictions.

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So using just for an example of the green container which is collection of organics only, the lid of the container is green in color.

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The body of the container is green in color and the lid is green, grey or black in color.

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Now looking at what we have in service in Laguna Hills, we have a green container which is good.

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I just like to point out that it is collecting only green waste, not food waste at this point.

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The next requirement for non-organic recyclables is a blue container.

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We currently have a brown container in service for the collection of recyclables.

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So we would need to address this for compliance in the long run with SBTHwork 133.

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The great container is a collection of all non-organic waste.

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We're collecting, we're using that color arrangement for our current cart that's collecting MSW waste.

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MSW is municipal solid waste.

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It is defined in our franchise agreement. It includes pitrucible waste and non-potrucible waste.

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So you have the organics material food waste that ultimately most likely in the black container.

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That's the goal to get out of that container.

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When we look at the commercial collection service, the same comparison I did for the residential service.

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I'd like to point out a few things commercial because of space constraints,

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and also the huge generation of these properties of waste per week.

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I have the options for a cart service, 35, 65, 90 gallon cart services, as well as a bin service.

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So looking at the standards green container, this most likely would work.

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The body of the bin is white and the lid is a line green.

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The cart is green and body color and with a line green lid.

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This is collecting currently collecting food waste, as I mentioned before.

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We already have a program in place, which is required by AB 1826.

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The commercial non-abcanic recyclable containers will need some work.

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The bin color body is white with black lid and the container of the cart is brown and color.

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So we would need some work to address this.

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The great container, the bin and the cart image.

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The cart image is fine with the black standard.

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Technically speaking, I believe that the blue bin would be fine technically speaking,

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because it has a black lid, but it is confusing, especially if we're going with a standard.

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We would be to change the body of the bin from blue to a black or gray or something of that effect,

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so that it wouldn't be confused with a non-organic recyclable.

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I wanted to put this slide on here.

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Just to show the innovation of the trash industry and how it's evolved through time.

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And also how we have to address the space constraints in the commercial sector.

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There are certain defined space and trash enclosures.

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And when we start segregating waste, there's more containers that are needed.

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If we put out three, four cubic yard bins to handle all the waste streams, it may be difficult.

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So the waste hauling industry, specifically CEO and I came up with a method of the split bin,

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where one four cubic yard bin, in this case, is split into two cubic yards for the trash, two cubic yards for the recyclable.

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There's a locking bar on top of the lid, so that when the front loader comes.

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If they're collecting trash, they're on the trash route.

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They put the locking bin bar on top of the recycle portion of the bin and dump it in the way they go.

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So I wanted to point that out, I guess I'm kind of geeky with trash, I guess I don't know.

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I'd like to move now away from the collection of organics and the service for residents and commercial to another requirement.

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Because it is a goal I can mention to recover edible food.

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We need to establish an edible food recovery program.

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These are the entities listed on the slide that represent the service.

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It includes food banks, food service, delivery services, the health department.

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What Calversycle means about us establishing a program is continued education, monitoring of the businesses, making sure that they have access to food service providers.

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We're in good hands, and if there's any specific questions with edible food recovery program.

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Mr. Blythe with economics serves on a local committee with a county that is in charge with implementing a lot of the edible food programs to be compliance with SB 1383.

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So questions may be directed to him.

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This is the fun slide, and we have to do it or else.

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But I'm sure that council knows that directors come down from the state and we have to abide by them.

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Pardon me one second.

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The points that I wanted to make on this slide is that Calversycle will begin enforcement actions against jurisdictions that aren't in compliance beginning January 1st of 2022.

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And the penalty structure within the regulations of SB 1383 group them into minor.

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It's a moderate violations which are deviations from the regulations, but you know let's say they did.

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CDX didn't implement or adopt an ordinance but it doesn't go to full length.

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That may be a minor or moderate violation and there's a certain penalty class for that.

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For drama and dramatic effect to illustrate that we have to do this.

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This lists on this slide the major category of violations which can be at a minimum $7,500 per day or $10,000 per day if we used to do anything.

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We don't implement an ordinance, we don't implement an enforcement program, we don't.

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We fail to implement or have an implementation record and you can see from the list it's pretty extensive.

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So we're charged to definitely roll on this.

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So that was really the quick fly by with with SB 1383.

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The document of the regulations is about a 127 page document.

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It's pretty detailed and extensive to implement.

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I wanted to summarize for the City Council's benefit.

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Let work effort staff will be working on conjunction with its consultant and CNR.

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The first is the negotiation of a new amendment to the contract with CNR.

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Our current contract with CNR expires in June of 2024.

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Well, after we have to have SB 1383 regulations in place by January 1st 2022.

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The big ticket item that we saw is a residential program.

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We currently do not have that service.

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So that's definitely a deal point that we need to negotiate with CNR.

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I can tell you that rates will increase.

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They will.

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In the commercial sector and the resume.

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The National Secretary and for a comparison, I know of four cities recently that have gone through a amendment process to their existing franchise or have gone through a competitive procurement process.

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And the rate for a three-part system, source separated with organics included the price for months ranges from $18 to $24 per month.

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For a comparison, the city of Logan Hills for our three-part system is paying $15.17 somewhere around there.

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So, the negotiation terms that proposed rates, that's, you know, are proposed to us.

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We need to notify the public through a prop to 18 notification process, working with the city attorney's office and making sure that that goes through the appropriate

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channels with the public hearing and notifying the public on that. So, we have that process.

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We also have to adopt SB 1383 ordinance, which will include looking at our existing municipal code chapters related to solid waste and recycling to make sure it's in sync with the proposed ordinance on SB 1383 enforcement.

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And again, public education and outreach is essential in this endeavor and a definite work effort for 2021.

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So, taking this workload and providing what the target dates are, and I want to caution by putting these dates is that they may move depending on our workloads and what we're working on.

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But right now, we're targeting June 22nd to bring the first reading in the proposed SB 1383 ordinance to the city council.

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And then July 13th, we would plan on bringing the negotiation results and the proposed rates to the city council for its review.

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And we'll have discussion on that, and if things go well, a direction for on the city council to direct staff to bring back an amendment to the contract.

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And this will also trigger prop to 18 notification process.

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That same meeting in July 13th, because a timing would be the second reading in the proposed SB 1383 ordinance.

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With that ordinance going into effect, it's forecasted on August 13th, 2021.

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September 28th, we would bring to the city council for its approval and amendment to the franchise agreement with C.O.N.R.

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So, I've put this slide here to illustrate that we're not alone.

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Actually, no jurisdiction is alone across the state because we all have to do this.

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But locally, these cities in Orange County have, for several reasons, why they've implemented it.

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These cities listed have a residential, organic collection program in place.

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And they include Aliso Viejo.

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Goes to Mesa Dana Point.

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01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:32,760
We're going to again, Orange.

643
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:34,760
Rancho Santa Margarita.

644
01:03:34,760 --> 01:03:35,760
Sanco Mini.

645
01:03:35,760 --> 01:03:36,760
San Juan Capustrano.

646
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:37,760
Tustan.

647
01:03:37,760 --> 01:03:38,760
And West Minister.

648
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:49,760
I would like to just conclude my presentation by saying SB 1383 is a game changer in terms of the state.

649
01:03:49,760 --> 01:04:07,760
I would equate it to the Waste Management Act of 1989, AB 939, which established a goal to divert 50% of recyclables from our ways from landfills by the year 2000.

650
01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:18,760
Prior to that, the industry was set on collecting from the curb side and taking the waste directly to the landfill.

651
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:29,760
AB 939, that Waste Management Act of 1989, really was the catalyst to create and establish the three cart system that we're using today.

652
01:04:29,760 --> 01:04:35,760
And had it change the industry to establish material recovery facilities to recover material.

653
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:40,760
Similarly, SB 1383 is a game changer because now the focus is on organics.

654
01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:49,760
You have an aerobic digestive facilities being established a lot of other facilities that need to be established.

655
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:53,760
You have the edible food recovery programs that are being established.

656
01:04:53,760 --> 01:04:55,760
So it is a definite changer.

657
01:04:55,760 --> 01:05:00,760
It will result in increased rates.

658
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:07,760
But every city, it will be dealing with this in some nature.

659
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:15,760
The recommendation this evening for this is to simply have a city council receiving files presentation and that concludes my presentation.

660
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:19,760
And I'd be happy to answer any questions that you might have.

661
01:05:19,760 --> 01:05:21,760
Thank you, Mr. Reynolds.

662
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:26,760
Do we have any questions for staff?

663
01:05:26,760 --> 01:05:30,760
Yes, Mr. Councillor Miller.

664
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:33,760
Excuse me.

665
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:41,760
Yeah, this is I want to point out with the reason that I pulled three eight is because three eight asks for an increase in funding.

666
01:05:41,760 --> 01:05:46,760
And this is one of the big reasons of why that's happening to the screen.

667
01:05:46,760 --> 01:05:48,760
There's a big reason of why.

668
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:50,760
I want to point out also.

669
01:05:50,760 --> 01:05:52,760
And I've corrected my wrong answer.

670
01:05:52,760 --> 01:05:57,760
We get no money from the state for doing this, correct?

671
01:05:58,760 --> 01:06:00,760
Madam Mayor, as you can also.

672
01:06:00,760 --> 01:06:01,760
Essentially, that's correct.

673
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:03,760
They're going to have some grants to come out.

674
01:06:03,760 --> 01:06:10,760
And there's competitive grants that jurisdictions can move forward on for specific things.

675
01:06:10,760 --> 01:06:15,760
But for the implementation of this.

676
01:06:15,760 --> 01:06:16,760
No.

677
01:06:16,760 --> 01:06:17,760
Okay, thank you.

678
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:19,760
I just want to point that out because the public.

679
01:06:19,760 --> 01:06:23,760
We've had some discussion about crime and around the.

680
01:06:24,760 --> 01:06:27,760
The Goon Village area and why we can't report more money to it.

681
01:06:27,760 --> 01:06:31,760
It's things like this that we get mandated by the state to do.

682
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:33,760
We have to do it, or you saw on the penalty page.

683
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,760
We penalized up to $10,000 a day.

684
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:37,760
Just like that.

685
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:39,760
$300,000 a month.

686
01:06:39,760 --> 01:06:41,760
If we don't comply, but we have no choice.

687
01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:42,760
Thanks.

688
01:06:42,760 --> 01:06:43,760
We have to.

689
01:06:43,760 --> 01:06:44,760
It really stives the money.

690
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:48,760
I encourage you to be careful who you put in Sacramento.

691
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:50,760
One question.

692
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:52,760
I heard it clearly.

693
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:56,760
Our race you think will increase by $15 a month.

694
01:06:56,760 --> 01:06:57,760
Average.

695
01:06:57,760 --> 01:06:58,760
Average.

696
01:06:58,760 --> 01:06:59,760
President.

697
01:06:59,760 --> 01:07:00,760
I'm going to.

698
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:01,760
I'm going to.

699
01:07:01,760 --> 01:07:02,760
Madam Mayor.

700
01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:03,760
Members.

701
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:04,760
The city council.

702
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:08,760
What I said was that the current rate that we're paying for our service is $15.

703
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:09,760
And $17.

704
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:11,760
It's around there.

705
01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:15,760
And other cities that have recently gone down the path with.

706
01:07:15,760 --> 01:07:17,760
With current negotiations.

707
01:07:17,760 --> 01:07:20,760
The range for that residential.

708
01:07:20,760 --> 01:07:23,760
Service is between $18 to $24.

709
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:28,760
So at the low end it would be an increase of $3 per month.

710
01:07:28,760 --> 01:07:31,760
I want to say that's per year then.

711
01:07:31,760 --> 01:07:32,760
It's per month.

712
01:07:32,760 --> 01:07:33,760
$3 per month.

713
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:34,760
No $3 per month.

714
01:07:34,760 --> 01:07:35,760
Yes.

715
01:07:35,760 --> 01:07:36,760
Okay.

716
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:37,760
But that's on the low end.

717
01:07:37,760 --> 01:07:38,760
I got $18, $24 per month.

718
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:39,760
Okay.

719
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:40,760
$3 per month.

720
01:07:40,760 --> 01:07:41,760
Okay.

721
01:07:41,760 --> 01:07:43,760
And one last question.

722
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:46,760
How many cans will a resident have now.

723
01:07:46,760 --> 01:07:49,760
After this goes into effect.

724
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:50,760
Madam Mayor.

725
01:07:50,760 --> 01:07:51,760
Members.

726
01:07:51,760 --> 01:07:52,760
The council has a great question.

727
01:07:52,760 --> 01:07:55,760
It would still be the three court system where the current green.

728
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:56,760
Green waste.

729
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:57,760
Cart.

730
01:07:57,760 --> 01:08:00,760
That collects only green waste.

731
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:01,760
Yard waste.

732
01:08:01,760 --> 01:08:04,760
Would also collect the food waste.

733
01:08:04,760 --> 01:08:06,760
And then you'd have another container.

734
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:11,760
A blue container that would collect the non-organic recyclables.

735
01:08:12,760 --> 01:08:17,760
And then finally the third black or gray container.

736
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:19,760
Would collect all the other stuff.

737
01:08:19,760 --> 01:08:20,760
The trash.

738
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:21,760
So we're still three.

739
01:08:21,760 --> 01:08:22,760
We're still three.

740
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:23,760
We're still three.

741
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:24,760
Okay.

742
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:25,760
All right.

743
01:08:25,760 --> 01:08:26,760
Thank you.

744
01:08:30,760 --> 01:08:31,760
Council member.

745
01:08:31,760 --> 01:08:32,760
Pepp.

746
01:08:32,760 --> 01:08:33,760
Yes.

747
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:34,760
Thank you.

748
01:08:34,760 --> 01:08:35,760
Well, thank you.

749
01:08:35,760 --> 01:08:36,760
Mr. Reynolds for your presentation.

750
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:40,760
It was a very thorough and obviously you put a lot of work into it.

751
01:08:40,760 --> 01:08:44,760
And a lot of very, very good information for a city.

752
01:08:44,760 --> 01:08:46,760
A couple of questions.

753
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:49,760
The first one is just kind of practical.

754
01:08:49,760 --> 01:08:59,760
You mentioned that the goal is or the mandate rather is 40% below 1990 levels by 2030.

755
01:08:59,760 --> 01:09:05,760
You've been doing this a long time in your professional opinion.

756
01:09:05,760 --> 01:09:06,760
Is that feasible?

757
01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:08,760
Is that something we can do as a city easily?

758
01:09:08,760 --> 01:09:11,760
That seems very stringent.

759
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:12,760
Madam Mayor.

760
01:09:12,760 --> 01:09:14,760
Members to the council.

761
01:09:14,760 --> 01:09:17,760
That is an air quality standard.

762
01:09:17,760 --> 01:09:19,760
So I'll be honest.

763
01:09:19,760 --> 01:09:21,760
I don't want to touch it.

764
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:22,760
It's all the way to recycling.

765
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:26,760
I'd be more comfortable to discuss.

766
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:32,760
We do have economics with maybe able to provide information on that.

767
01:09:32,760 --> 01:09:36,760
That is a greenhouse gas goal.

768
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:44,760
If we'd be difficult for me to answer specific to SB 32.

769
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:45,760
Okay.

770
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:46,760
Got it.

771
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:47,760
Thank you.

772
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:49,760
And my second question.

773
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:54,760
It has to do with you'd mention penalties for jurisdictions for cities.

774
01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:58,760
What about the penalties that would fall on the residents themselves?

775
01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:00,760
If they were not to comply.

776
01:10:00,760 --> 01:10:04,760
I mean, are we going to have a situation where now the CNR.

777
01:10:05,760 --> 01:10:11,760
Guys that go out and collect the garbage every week are going to jump out of the truck and inspect all of the cans each time?

778
01:10:11,760 --> 01:10:17,760
I mean, it seems very, you know, how do you police that?

779
01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:19,760
Madam Mayor, members of the city council.

780
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:20,760
That is a good question.

781
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:26,760
And first, we would never charge our hauler to do the inspection.

782
01:10:26,760 --> 01:10:30,760
They're in charge of collection.

783
01:10:30,760 --> 01:10:40,760
So the enforcement mechanism will need to fall on staff or perhaps we arranged for a consultant to perform that task.

784
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:46,760
We will have to have a code enforcement arm as a product of SB 33.

785
01:10:46,760 --> 01:10:51,760
The penalties on the waste generators.

786
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:54,760
Well, first start with the violation notice.

787
01:10:54,760 --> 01:10:59,760
As a matter of fact, the first two years of SB 33.

788
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:09,760
When it starts January 1, 2022, we will provide a violation notice, but follow it up with education for the first two years.

789
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:19,760
There isn't the requirement in SB 1383 to assess penalties on a resident or a commercial entity until January 1, 2024.

790
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:25,760
And come January 1, 2024 when we're in that boat.

791
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:31,760
And we have to provide notice of the violation.

792
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:39,760
There's like a code enforcement process, a certain duration of 45 days or so for them to correct that.

793
01:11:39,760 --> 01:11:46,760
And if they don't, then they're being assessment of the penalty, which I believe I don't have an in front of me would be 50 to $100.

794
01:11:46,760 --> 01:11:49,760
For a first violation, and then it goes up.

795
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:54,760
And I think that Mr. Gregson Moni and may have some more on that.

796
01:11:54,760 --> 01:11:59,760
Yeah, the first violation, the amount of the base penalty will be in the range of 50 to $100.

797
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:02,760
The second is in the range of 100 to 200.

798
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:09,760
And a third or subsequent violation, the base penalty will be increased through between $250 and $500.

799
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:19,760
So to kind of add to that, you would said that CRNR is not going to be doing inspecting.

800
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:30,760
So are we going to have random consultants going out to random garbage cans around the city during trash collecting day and looking to see what's in them?

801
01:12:30,760 --> 01:12:32,760
Is that how it's going to work?

802
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:35,760
None of their members of the City Council, the short answer is yes.

803
01:12:35,760 --> 01:12:42,760
It may be staff doing that or it may be consultants.

804
01:12:42,760 --> 01:12:44,760
All right, thank you.

805
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,760
Councillor Neberhan.

806
01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:50,760
You missed a round of questions.

807
01:12:50,760 --> 01:13:01,760
So on the price hike, if I understand this correctly, we already have three container system, which is taking solid ways which is going into the black.

808
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:04,760
Can now I'm putting you with the greenways.

809
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:09,760
So I mean, how does that affect rates, right?

810
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:13,760
It's the same stuff that's just going into a different can.

811
01:13:13,760 --> 01:13:17,760
Madam Mayor, members of the City Council, that is a good question.

812
01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:27,760
If you keep in mind the food waste, the organics is currently going into the black cart, which is going directly to landfill.

813
01:13:27,760 --> 01:13:35,760
And when, and you'll see this, when a hauler proposes rates, it's broken down into three components.

814
01:13:35,760 --> 01:13:41,760
The transportation cost, the processing costs, and the disposal costs.

815
01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:46,760
So for a cart that goes directly to the landfill, there is no processing cost.

816
01:13:46,760 --> 01:13:56,760
There's nominal transportation cost, but there is disposal cost with that because of the gate fee to pay it to get into the landfill to dispose of that.

817
01:13:57,760 --> 01:14:08,760
So now that we're creating another waste dream that needs to be processed, which is the organics, there's a processing component and that is what the increase is.

818
01:14:08,760 --> 01:14:16,760
Also, I made mention of capacity planning and how important it is to get local facilities.

819
01:14:16,760 --> 01:14:19,760
There aren't a lot within Orange County.

820
01:14:19,760 --> 01:14:25,760
So the haulers have to go to Yuma to other places that have these facilities.

821
01:14:25,760 --> 01:14:29,760
So the transportation cost component of that service goes up.

822
01:14:29,760 --> 01:14:33,760
Those are the cost increases.

823
01:14:33,760 --> 01:14:34,760
Thank you.

824
01:14:34,760 --> 01:14:35,760
I have one other question.

825
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:37,760
That was on AB 939.

826
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:42,760
You mentioned that I had a goal of a 50% reduction in whatever was collected.

827
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:46,760
Did they actually achieve that?

828
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:49,760
Madam Mayor, Madam Mayor, I'm published.

829
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:51,760
Madam Mayor, members of the City Council.

830
01:14:51,760 --> 01:14:57,760
It's much talking I can do with the mask before my glasses fog up, but anyway.

831
01:14:57,760 --> 01:15:00,760
The answer to your question is no.

832
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:21,000
They fell short of that goal and why, during 2020, we were pressured by Calercycle to implement more commercial organic recycling programs under the auspices of AB 1826.

833
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:42,000
AB 1826 started back in, I believe, 2014, it started with the peer approach where first out of the gate, we needed to reach out and require businesses that generated eight cubic yards of organics per week and require them to recycle organics.

834
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:52,000
Then a year later, that was reduced to a generation of four cubic yards per week organics.

835
01:15:52,000 --> 01:16:03,000
Then they increased the umbrella to four cubic yards of MSW, which not only includes the organics, but includes recyclables and trash.

836
01:16:03,000 --> 01:16:25,000
Well, because statewide, we didn't reach that goal of 50% reduction by the year 2020, Calercycle imposed what was already in the AB 1826 regulations, which was to institute a two cubic yard generation of MSW, which meant that we had to reach out to more businesses.

837
01:16:25,000 --> 01:16:32,000
And they did that in September of 2020, which was problematic, because we're an pandemic.

838
01:16:32,000 --> 01:16:43,000
We had really our programs were curtailed because we couldn't reach out to businesses, conduct the site visits because of the pandemic.

839
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:51,000
That I guess is a long answer to your question, know that it came close, but not all the way.

840
01:16:52,000 --> 01:17:01,000
So I'm wondering, I mean, I don't know if this is an oversight issue or, you know, the goal wasn't realistic, but how do we know the current goals are realistic then.

841
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:05,000
If we haven't even met our past goals.

842
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:13,000
Madam Mayor, members of the council, that was a good question, and I would say that the state has established these goals.

843
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:24,000
They care about us achieving them, but they care more about the infrastructure being in place and setting the markets and moving the state in a certain direction.

844
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:28,000
So it's like green numbers for trash basically.

845
01:17:28,000 --> 01:17:33,000
Thank you, Mr. Reynolds.

846
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:36,000
Yes.

847
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:40,000
Any other council members?

848
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:44,000
I have just some comments that I would like to provide.

849
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:48,000
And first, I want to thank you for the thorough presentation.

850
01:17:48,000 --> 01:17:52,000
It is very nice to see this presentation and how well it was executed.

851
01:17:52,000 --> 01:18:06,000
The next thing I would like to mention is that I think this is, we have a great opportunity to utilize social media and videos and try to encourage as many people to understand this.

852
01:18:06,000 --> 01:18:10,000
And so I think this is a perfect opportunity for that.

853
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:17,000
And so with that, do we have, Miss Lee, do we have any public comments regarding this item?

854
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:20,000
I received no public comments on this item.

855
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:21,000
Thank you.

856
01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:29,000
Do I have a motion to receive and file this presentation?

857
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:30,000
Second.

858
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:31,000
Okay.

859
01:18:31,000 --> 01:18:38,000
The motion has been moved by Mayor Protemsechwick and seconded by council member Hunt, all those in favor say aye.

860
01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:39,000
Aye.

861
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:40,000
Aye.

862
01:18:40,000 --> 01:18:42,000
Any opposed?

863
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:44,000
The motion passes unanimously.

864
01:18:44,000 --> 01:18:52,000
Now prior to moving to seven point one, we do have a public comment.

865
01:18:52,000 --> 01:18:55,000
Somebody is here, Miss Lee.

866
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:56,000
Yes.

867
01:18:56,000 --> 01:18:57,000
I apologize.

868
01:18:57,000 --> 01:19:00,000
We do have one public speaker that we missed on a non-agenda item.

869
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:06,000
Madam, if you'd like to approach the podium and state your name.

870
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:11,000
Okay.

871
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:14,000
Are you?

872
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:15,000
Who are you?

873
01:19:15,000 --> 01:19:20,000
Well, we're kind of going backwards, but it's going to go back to Laguna Village.

874
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:23,000
I've been there since 1979.

875
01:19:23,000 --> 01:19:30,000
And it's been increasingly getting full of crime, speeding, drag racing.

876
01:19:30,000 --> 01:19:37,000
And this is the embarrassing part, and I apologize for this, but I call it Irvine to take care of it.

877
01:19:37,000 --> 01:19:39,000
We're going to help us doesn't take care of it.

878
01:19:39,000 --> 01:19:42,000
So, I just wanted to bring that up to you guys as attention.

879
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:44,000
You already heard everything going on here.

880
01:19:44,000 --> 01:19:50,000
I think that you guys already know, because I've talked to a lot of people in law enforcement.

881
01:19:50,000 --> 01:19:51,000
They already know.

882
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:58,000
And I hope that some of the budgets that you were talking about does go towards that area.

883
01:19:58,000 --> 01:19:59,000
People are hurting.

884
01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:01,000
And they really need you guys.

885
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:02,000
Okay.

886
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:03,000
That's it.

887
01:20:03,000 --> 01:20:04,000
Thank you.

888
01:20:04,000 --> 01:20:06,000
Thank you.

889
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:13,000
Now we are going to move to three item three point eight.

890
01:20:13,000 --> 01:20:15,000
Council number.

891
01:20:15,000 --> 01:20:17,000
We are.

892
01:20:18,000 --> 01:20:23,000
Yeah, I just pulled us so we have discussions about one of the prime drivers for the cost of three point eight.

893
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:25,000
So we would put understand.

894
01:20:25,000 --> 01:20:30,000
That's all I wanted to to bring it.

895
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:39,000
Also, I want to point out that the money that's going to be used as the increase in three eight is not going to be out of the budget.

896
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:41,000
And this is a correct way to go wrong here.

897
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:49,000
But it will be assessed via the increase cost that this paid to see or an R, which will then in terms pay to the city.

898
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:53,000
So it was kind of worried it was like a quarter of a million dollar additional cost.

899
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:56,000
I found out that that will not be a cost of the city for our budget.

900
01:20:56,000 --> 01:20:59,000
Unfortunately, it would be a cost for all of this budget.

901
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:02,000
Now that's all I wanted to bring up.

902
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:04,000
I'm moved to go ahead and pass.

903
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:05,000
Three eight.

904
01:21:05,000 --> 01:21:07,000
Okay, three of a second.

905
01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:17,000
Okay, the motion is moved by council member hunt or excuse me, we're we're in seconded by council member hunt.

906
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:18,000
All those in favor.

907
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:19,000
Aye.

908
01:21:19,000 --> 01:21:20,000
Aye.

909
01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,000
Any opposed.

910
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:25,000
The motion passes unanimously.

911
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:34,000
Now we'll move to matters agendaist and presented by council members item seven point one point one.

912
01:21:34,000 --> 01:21:38,000
Council member hunt.

913
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:39,000
Thank you.

914
01:21:39,000 --> 01:21:41,000
All right, good evening, everyone.

915
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:50,000
Tonight, I am proposing that we can we reconsider our decision last July to suspend our long time

916
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:53,000
Memberships in our four regional organizations.

917
01:21:53,000 --> 01:21:58,000
The League of Cities, the ACCOC, Skag and O'Cog.

918
01:21:58,000 --> 01:22:03,000
Back then, and it was July 7, 2020, we thought of it as a way of

919
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:07,000
achieving a relatively small savings in our overall budget.

920
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:13,000
And we did not predict any major repercussions on leaving these organizations.

921
01:22:13,000 --> 01:22:17,000
Since then, a lot of things have changed.

922
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:25,000
Several major crisis has struck our city, including having a homeless problem for the first time in our city, being hit with very high

923
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:29,000
green and numbers for housing that we're all fighting.

924
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:35,000
And a second wave of COVID-19 hit us this last Christmas.

925
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:41,000
And new lockdowns that have been devastating for our businesses and our residents.

926
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:50,000
These are all regional problems and regional problems need a regional solution.

927
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:56,000
And now some proposed new legislation in Sacramento, which we've talked about, SB 9 and SB 10,

928
01:22:56,000 --> 01:23:07,000
for threatened to change the very nature of our city by allowing single-family residents to be transformed into multi-family complexes.

929
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:11,000
This is where our advocacy partners place such a vital role.

930
01:23:11,000 --> 01:23:18,000
And I can tell you that these organizations are playing a huge role in pushing back on these issues.

931
01:23:18,000 --> 01:23:20,000
We cannot fight these battles alone.

932
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:24,000
We need our regional partnerships now more than ever.

933
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:30,000
So first, I would like to make a motion to reconsider, which is simply so we can discuss the matter

934
01:23:30,000 --> 01:23:35,000
and allow the representatives of the organizations to make their presentations.

935
01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:44,000
Several of which drove all the way here to speak to us in person, including our long time former city manager, Bruce Channing, I see here.

936
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:50,000
And afterward, if you agreed, this is a relatively small but absolutely critical investment for our city,

937
01:23:50,000 --> 01:23:56,000
then motion can be made for us to pay our dues and be back in good standing with our regional partners.

938
01:23:56,000 --> 01:24:01,000
So I would like to go ahead and move at this time that we bring this item back for reconsideration.

939
01:24:01,000 --> 01:24:03,000
Do I have a second?

940
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:15,000
The item has been moved in second and at this time, do we discuss?

941
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:19,000
Yes, we have a discussion among council members.

942
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:27,000
Do we have a discussion among council members to open this up to reconsider?

943
01:24:27,000 --> 01:24:35,000
Do I have to give speakers first to the motion for reconsideration first to decide whether you're going to hear this?

944
01:24:35,000 --> 01:24:42,000
Oh, the discussion would be on the reconsideration with the motion.

945
01:24:42,000 --> 01:24:44,000
Excuse me, can you repeat that, Mr.

946
01:24:44,000 --> 01:24:45,000
No?

947
01:24:45,000 --> 01:24:50,000
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

948
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:53,000
So you can discuss a question about the motion.

949
01:24:53,000 --> 01:24:56,000
Okay.

950
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:59,000
So we will move to the vote.

951
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:01,000
Okay.

952
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:12,000
The motion has been moved by council member, heft and seconded by council member Wheeler, all those in favor.

953
01:25:12,000 --> 01:25:13,000
Aye.

954
01:25:13,000 --> 01:25:14,000
Aye.

955
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:16,000
All those opposed.

956
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:17,000
Aye.

957
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:28,000
The motion passes however the motion was not unanimous.

958
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:29,000
So much.

959
01:25:29,000 --> 01:25:32,000
I appreciate that.

960
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:40,000
I mentioned back in July of 2020 when my colleagues and I voted to suspend our memberships in the regional organizations.

961
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:42,000
None of us knew what lay ahead.

962
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:49,000
We've now been through a second lockdown that has devastated even more businesses and put more people in the gunna hills out of work.

963
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:54,000
And the first time in our city's existence, we have a homeless problem, which I've mentioned before.

964
01:25:54,000 --> 01:26:02,000
We are also more than aware that our huge rena numbers that we will be forced to reckon with are still here and we're still fighting them.

965
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:08,000
If you recall my proposal, opposing SB 9 and SB 10 out of our last city council meeting,

966
01:26:08,000 --> 01:26:13,000
the governor of our state is actually setting up a special organization.

967
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:23,000
Whose only purpose is to spy and listen in on our future council meetings to monitor if we are complying with those housing demands from Sacramento.

968
01:26:23,000 --> 01:26:32,000
And even imposing penalties and fines on our city if we do not implement these unsustainable almost 2,000 new units in our city.

969
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:45,000
It's interesting because it sounds a lot what Mr. Reynolds was talking about in terms of the fact that Sacramento is breathing down our next, they are forcing things on cities taking away local control.

970
01:26:45,000 --> 01:26:54,000
And I will say that these organizations are all about making sure we keep local control in our cities.

971
01:26:54,000 --> 01:27:00,000
And we all know about the incredible burden that these housing units will put us on as a city.

972
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:04,000
Laguna Hills has been built out for a long time.

973
01:27:04,000 --> 01:27:15,000
And without physically repurposing a large number of properties or adding ADUs left and right or converting single family residences into multi-family units.

974
01:27:15,000 --> 01:27:26,000
Just like SB 9 and 10 want us to do, the plan is simply not feasible and we need to be able to fight back as a city to keep our local control.

975
01:27:26,000 --> 01:27:34,000
And if we don't have $28,000 out of an annual budget of $22,000,000, that's 0.001.

976
01:27:34,000 --> 01:27:40,000
What does that say to the other cities that remain faithful members even during such hard times is these?

977
01:27:40,000 --> 01:27:43,000
They're going to fight our battles for us?

978
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:55,000
The League of Cities is taking the lead in getting cities to actively oppose SB 9 and 10 and to put pressure on our governor and the legislature to stop multi-family complex is to be built in our single family neighborhoods.

979
01:27:55,000 --> 01:28:05,000
The ACCCOC helps create the OC Housing Finance Trust that will serve as a way for cities to fund their housing needs.

980
01:28:05,000 --> 01:28:14,000
Just on this issue of housing alone, it would be a reason to stay in that organization as this will very soon be our city's number one battle.

981
01:28:15,000 --> 01:28:23,000
OCOC, which is the Orange County Council of Governments, has been actively fighting for lower-reena numbers.

982
01:28:23,000 --> 01:28:30,000
Marny Primer, who will be joining us online. She is the executive director. She's been at the forefront of that fight.

983
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:41,000
And OCOC also serves as the regional hub for transportation issues, which is vital to us here in Laguna Hills, where the five freeway runs virtually the entire length of our city.

984
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:44,000
We have five exits.

985
01:28:44,000 --> 01:29:00,000
Our Skag representative, Wendy Bucknam, who is our colleague in Mission Geho, has personally fought for us during the Reena appeal process and has been a strong voice to reduce these massive housing numbers that are being imposed upon us.

986
01:29:00,000 --> 01:29:10,000
These four organizations are made out of our city council colleagues from all over Orange County and they've been absolutely fantastic in pushing back on these issues.

987
01:29:10,000 --> 01:29:23,000
Remember, just last year, when a dozen of us South County mayors testified in front of the Orange County Board of Supervisors to ask for the CARES Act funds to be finally distributed to our small businesses who were being devastated by the lockdowns.

988
01:29:23,000 --> 01:29:27,000
It makes a big difference when a bunch of cities come together as one.

989
01:29:27,000 --> 01:29:34,000
People in elected office actually listen, and as they say, there are strengths and numbers.

990
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:45,000
They're able to secure a $10,000 grant for 60 businesses and 15 non-profits for a total of $750,000 for a businesses and our non-profits in the city.

991
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:50,000
And I've said this before, but it bears repeating, we're not an island.

992
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:56,000
As cities were all hurting and trying very hard to find solutions for our residents and businesses.

993
01:29:56,000 --> 01:30:00,000
And it's in a year like this that we need our regional partners.

994
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:14,000
More than ever, and we can't wait until next year, those decisions would be made this year, and so it is critical that we pay our dues so that we can be reinstated and be represented again, or those decisions will simply be made without us.

995
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:25,000
This is only approximately 0.001 of our budget, 28,000 in a budget of 22 million, but it is an absolutely critical investment in our city.

996
01:30:25,000 --> 01:30:32,000
And that is why in last year's budget, staff did not include cutting our regional membership in the tiered one cuts.

997
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:43,000
There are things we can cut, and there are things that are essential for our city, and these regional relationships, which were always important, are absolutely critical this year.

998
01:30:43,000 --> 01:30:52,000
And at this time, I'd like to point out a few important things in the supporting materials that were provided to you in your packet.

999
01:30:52,000 --> 01:31:00,000
Attachment A has information about the Association of California City, otherwise known as the ACC of C.

1000
01:31:00,000 --> 01:31:10,000
On the first page, it shows all the different dues for the city's city of Lagone Hills was 9341 last year.

1001
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:18,000
It has been reduced 10% because the ACC understands everybody's tightening their budgets to 8407.

1002
01:31:19,000 --> 01:31:26,000
The second page I really wanted to include because I was shocked when I first saw it.

1003
01:31:26,000 --> 01:31:35,000
There are a bunch of cities listed here, you probably can't see it, but out of all these cities, we're the only one that's no longer listed as being a member.

1004
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:44,000
Every other single city is making sure they maintain their relationships and their memberships.

1005
01:31:49,000 --> 01:32:06,000
The next piece is a memo from Bruce Channing, and I don't want to steal his thunder, but I just want to point out one of the important things that a lot of us probably don't know.

1006
01:32:06,000 --> 01:32:30,000
The ACC of C, it says it was founded in 2011, one of our founding council members, Alan Songstad, who served on the council for 20 plus years, was one of the founders of the ACC of C, so we were an integral part of the group for a long time.

1007
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:43,000
I also want to point out that we received a letter from our new Assemblywoman Lori Davies, and I do want to read what she said in part here.

1008
01:32:43,000 --> 01:32:55,000
As I now have a new role serving the 73rd Assembly District, including your city, I can see firsthand the effects bad policy has on those you represent.

1009
01:32:55,000 --> 01:33:02,000
We know that one size doesn't fit all, especially when it comes to housing, homelessness, and small businesses.

1010
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:10,000
Having the ACC of C, representing you at both a county and state level is imperative to the health and wellbeing of your community.

1011
01:33:10,000 --> 01:33:20,000
If there was ever a time to have a place at the table when it comes to local control and making sure your city receives its fair share at both the county and state level, it's now.

1012
01:33:20,000 --> 01:33:24,000
You know the same, if you're not at the table, you are on the menu.

1013
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:29,000
With that said, I ask you to consider rejoining the ACC of C.

1014
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:42,000
We also received a letter from the current chairman of the Orange County Council of Governments, Trevor O'Neill, who serves on the City Council for Anaheim.

1015
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:57,000
And something he says here, the O'Cog focuses on five policy areas, water, energy, air quality, housing, land use, and transportation.

1016
01:33:57,000 --> 01:34:02,000
O'Cog provides leadership opportunities to elected officials from across the county.

1017
01:34:02,000 --> 01:34:09,000
Each board member of O'Cog also represents their district on the Southern California Association of Governments, which is gag.

1018
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:20,000
And the O'Cog Board of Directors appoints the subregions 12 policy committee representatives to stack, ensuring that our county has a voice and the regional decision making.

1019
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:35,000
In fact, there are three current openings for elected leaders to step into a policy committee role at Skag, and I was actually approached by Councilman O'Neill that this might be an opportunity for a city as well to step up into leadership.

1020
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:58,000
There is another letter, and this has to do with O'Cog and Skag, and this is from our fellow council member, Wendy Bucknam, who is mayor pretend for the city of Mission Viejo.

1021
01:34:58,000 --> 01:35:01,000
And I'll read in part.

1022
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:08,000
As we all know, the past two years with the state-mandated renaplanning process was a challenging one.

1023
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:18,000
The planning process shed light on how vast the Skag region is and how different counties have distinct and different perspectives on how best to plan for the region.

1024
01:35:18,000 --> 01:35:32,000
But what Orange County brings to the table as members of O'Cog and Skag is a unified position and a show of strength that has made a difference in counters in a rubber stamping of regional policy positions.

1025
01:35:32,000 --> 01:35:38,000
I would hope that the city of Luguni Hills could carefully consider rejoining O'Cog and Skag.

1026
01:35:38,000 --> 01:35:54,000
As individual jurisdictions, we must work together collectively to continue to push for a voice of reason against one size fits all directives, coming down from Sacramento and impinging upon local control at the regional and county levels.

1027
01:35:54,000 --> 01:36:01,000
Through O'Cog and through Orange County's representation on Skag committees and the governing board, we can continue to be a watchdog.

1028
01:36:01,000 --> 01:36:11,000
And the squeaky wheel that continues to question and provoke to ensure that the issues and concerns of our cities and of Orange County in general are respected and considered.

1029
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:19,000
We could not achieve this without the solidarity of our Orange County jurisdictions.

1030
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:30,000
And then the last thing I want to point out before I introduce our speakers tonight is there is a chart that I included and I do not.

1031
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:37,000
But, uh, profess to know all the details about this, but this is for the League of California cities.

1032
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:42,000
The League of California cities is our oldest advocacy organization.

1033
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:48,000
It was originally formed in 1898, so it's 123 years old.

1034
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:56,000
And out of 482 cities in California, 476 members.

1035
01:36:56,000 --> 01:37:06,000
It's 98.7% very impressive.

1036
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:20,000
All right, before I introduce our members, I do also want to let the council know this is something I was not aware of, but I guess the mayor has taken the time to prepare a PowerPoint presentation to oppose this proposal.

1037
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:27,000
And this is a surprise, I was not aware of that, but it's, it's unusual something that's a 0.01% of our budget.

1038
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:36,000
I'm hoping she will listen with open ears and eyes to what our speakers are saying tonight.

1039
01:37:36,000 --> 01:37:49,000
So without further ado, as they say, I would like to go ahead and introduce, give him first place, our former 26 years old.

1040
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:56,000
Former 26 year city manager, Bruce Channing, from the ACC of C.

1041
01:37:56,000 --> 01:37:59,000
I think he's all.

1042
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:00,000
Thank you.

1043
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:02,000
I'm dying here.

1044
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:03,000
We're good evening.

1045
01:38:03,000 --> 01:38:05,000
It's nice to see all of you.

1046
01:38:05,000 --> 01:38:08,000
Mr. Simone, it's been too long.

1047
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:11,000
And it's a pleasure to be back in this room.

1048
01:38:11,000 --> 01:38:12,000
My name's Bruce Channing.

1049
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:15,000
I'm the executive director of ACC OC.

1050
01:38:15,000 --> 01:38:18,000
Last time I was here, I was sitting in Ken's chair.

1051
01:38:18,000 --> 01:38:22,000
And it's kind of funny sitting on the other side here.

1052
01:38:22,000 --> 01:38:26,000
A lot of councilmember Hunt congratulations.

1053
01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:28,000
Nice to see you sitting up there.

1054
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:34,000
And we didn't get a chance to work together there, but happy to see you here for the last couple of years now.

1055
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:42,000
And it's been a pleasure, frankly, to have the chance to listen to Mr. Reynolds wax,

1056
01:38:42,000 --> 01:38:44,000
eloquently about trash collection.

1057
01:38:45,000 --> 01:38:52,000
I brought back so many fond memories of how Wound Kenny talk on that subject.

1058
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:56,000
And be so enthusiastic about it too, right?

1059
01:38:56,000 --> 01:39:00,000
Dave, you cured in so many of for me tonight.

1060
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:02,000
Thank you for that.

1061
01:39:02,000 --> 01:39:04,000
And it's amazing.

1062
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:07,000
You know, things just don't change, right?

1063
01:39:07,000 --> 01:39:12,000
I'm going back to the 80s when we first started into the whole recycling

1064
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:18,000
and the removal of waste in three cart bins and all the rest of that.

1065
01:39:18,000 --> 01:39:20,000
And we're still talking about it today.

1066
01:39:20,000 --> 01:39:25,000
And who knew that we needed the state of California to tell us what color the trash had to be?

1067
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:27,000
What color been it had to be put in?

1068
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:33,000
Because I'm sure the CR and our trash guy can't figure it out if he's getting paid to collect it.

1069
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:35,000
But I digress.

1070
01:39:35,000 --> 01:39:39,000
These are the fun things we think about in our business.

1071
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:41,000
And, you know, here I am.

1072
01:39:41,000 --> 01:39:48,000
A couple of years after retirement and I'm back involved in a limited capacity as the executive director of ACCOC.

1073
01:39:48,000 --> 01:39:55,000
And I came back to do this work because I had been a strong believer in the value of these associations,

1074
01:39:55,000 --> 01:39:58,000
whether it's the League of Cities or ACCOC.

1075
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:01,000
O'Cog.

1076
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:04,000
Councilmember Huff said it all very well.

1077
01:40:04,000 --> 01:40:15,000
The value that is derived from being a part of those organizations as each in its own way is representing the collective interest of the cities here in Orange County.

1078
01:40:15,000 --> 01:40:24,000
And attempting to the best of its ability to represent your interest in a way that serves everyone here in the county.

1079
01:40:24,000 --> 01:40:26,000
And it solves problems.

1080
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:37,000
And the unique part about ACCOC, if you don't know, as we have a number of affiliate members that are both special districts, water districts, and a number of private sector companies.

1081
01:40:37,000 --> 01:40:39,000
And it's in those relationships.

1082
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:45,000
The companies that are members are generally ones that are service providers to cities.

1083
01:40:45,000 --> 01:40:53,000
And have a interest in seeing the good public policy is made at these council diocese.

1084
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And the respect of cities across the county.

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01:40:55,000 --> 01:40:58,000
And the problems are solved in a way that works well.

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01:40:58,000 --> 01:41:05,000
Not only for those who are delivering the service in their private capacity, but for you and your residents as well.

1087
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:14,000
So ACCOC puts its energies into education, into advocacy, into collaboration.

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01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:19,000
And I think it's been achieving those goals quite successfully.

1089
01:41:19,000 --> 01:41:32,000
And as I came on board and recognized that it was important to hold the budget of this organization down to make it more palatable for the cities to be members, continue to be members.

1090
01:41:32,000 --> 01:41:33,000
We've done that.

1091
01:41:33,000 --> 01:41:38,000
We eliminated our offices in the city of Orange.

1092
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:39,000
We scaled back.

1093
01:41:39,000 --> 01:41:45,000
We have a small office in City Hall at Mission VA House City Hall.

1094
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:52,000
And we work on a pretty lean staff just as we set it up here.

1095
01:41:52,000 --> 01:41:55,000
That's what we do at the ACCOC as well.

1096
01:41:55,000 --> 01:42:01,000
And that's what made it easier for us to lower everybody's dues this year by 10%.

1097
01:42:01,000 --> 01:42:07,000
But I got to tell you, like any organization, and especially one like these and the league and others.

1098
01:42:07,000 --> 01:42:12,000
It's what you put into it is what you get out of it in terms of the benefit.

1099
01:42:12,000 --> 01:42:18,000
If you're involved and active and engaged, you're going to find it to be very useful and beneficial.

1100
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:26,000
We're happy to have Mr. Councilmember Wheeler and Councilmember Heft in recent times, both very active.

1101
01:42:26,000 --> 01:42:30,000
Councilmember Heft, as you may know, is in the leadership chairs.

1102
01:42:30,000 --> 01:42:32,000
She's the second vice president now.

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01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:39,000
We're going to make transition in leadership in April, so she would move up to first vice president.

1104
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:42,000
It's been great to work with her in that capacity.

1105
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:45,000
It'd be a disappointment to lose having her in that role.

1106
01:42:45,000 --> 01:42:48,000
Again, I'd be happy to answer any questions.

1107
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:53,000
But thank you for giving me the opportunity to be with you tonight.

1108
01:42:53,000 --> 01:42:59,000
Do we have any questions for Mr. Channing?

1109
01:42:59,000 --> 01:43:02,000
Thank you, Mr. Channing.

1110
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:03,000
A few minutes.

1111
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:04,000
Sure.

1112
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:06,000
So I know you have a long history with this city.

1113
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:08,000
You have the inside track, probably still.

1114
01:43:08,000 --> 01:43:16,000
Are you aware of why this decision was made to begin with you at the back story?

1115
01:43:16,000 --> 01:43:17,000
That's why.

1116
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:24,000
I'm aware of what I read in your staff report and have a reasonable sense that it was a decision you had to make,

1117
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:33,000
or felt you needed to make a bounce about it back in July when you were looking at ways to increase the budget for your holiday program.

1118
01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:41,000
Would you say that joining an organization like ACCOC is in necessity for a city like ours?

1119
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:49,000
Or is it something that would be better to us for us to spend our money on if we weren't hurting other areas,

1120
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:55,000
like say public safety or park maintenance or street maintenance, these types of things?

1121
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:59,000
Again, those are the tough choices that you get.

1122
01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:03,000
The big dollars to decide, you're the ones who are making those budgetary decisions.

1123
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:13,000
I have always thought I've long been a supporter of the associations, whether it's the league or ACCOC, O'Cog and others.

1124
01:44:13,000 --> 01:44:24,000
And I think they serve a very valuable purpose in helping keep your budgets and their costs in a reasonable place.

1125
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:30,000
If you will by being out there advocating on your behalf, when as council member HIFT,

1126
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:32,000
so I'll quickly present it.

1127
01:44:32,000 --> 01:44:39,000
You have the state regularly now trying to make it more expensive for you to provide services.

1128
01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:48,000
So I do agree with that, but what does ACCOC have a lobby in?

1129
01:44:48,000 --> 01:44:53,000
For example, like what exactly are they doing to combat these green and numbers, for example?

1130
01:44:53,000 --> 01:45:00,000
Yeah, so we're very close in partnership with O'Cog on that matter in specific.

1131
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:09,000
Pacific, I participate on both the O'Conc technical advisory committee and a morregular attendor of their board meetings,

1132
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:19,000
Marty Permanor, their executive director, and is also on our board, Tony Cardness, and I also work closely together on advocacy matters.

1133
01:45:19,000 --> 01:45:28,000
So it's a joint effort. I mean, it's a significant fight as you might certainly recognize and appreciate

1134
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:43,000
to convince, in this case, the state and Skag that those reading numbers are really absurdly high and unachievable in my humble opinion.

1135
01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:49,000
They're not even properly calculated in the context of the law.

1136
01:45:49,000 --> 01:46:02,000
But you have to have a uniform voice. You got to have a lot of, in this case, all of us coming together speaking with one voice on our objections to what is being voices upon you.

1137
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:07,000
And to the extent that you're not there, we're going to speak on your behalf anyway.

1138
01:46:07,000 --> 01:46:17,000
You know, that's not going to prevent or in any way dissuade us from speaking on behalf of the interests of all Orange County cities.

1139
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:26,000
We don't say we're here to represent, you know, this number of cities in Orange County and list them, we're here to represent all cities in Orange County.

1140
01:46:26,000 --> 01:46:36,000
So you get the benefit one way or the other. We just think that we're a strong reorganization when we're all there at the table working together, linking arms and addressing these problems.

1141
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:51,000
Together. So also there's another way we can participate in a CCLC then besides just becoming a member. I mean, I just became a new council member. I was able to take new council member training the F, you're trying to cost us $50.

1142
01:46:51,000 --> 01:47:02,000
Right. So I mean, and at a time we're hurting if we can use the cafeteria approach can use organizations like yours at a significantly reduced price.

1143
01:47:02,000 --> 01:47:07,000
I mean, that might be the best thing here in the city, particularly when we're hurting a lot of other areas.

1144
01:47:07,000 --> 01:47:19,000
Well, we try to make it reasonable to get as many people the opportunity to participate in our programs as we can, and so that's why that was a nominal cost.

1145
01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:31,000
And we do, we oftentimes have different pricing for members versus non members. In this past year, we're almost everything's been done on Zoom.

1146
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:43,000
It's pretty hard to push for any significant difference in cost or pricing, I should say, for our activities and events. When we get back to the time,

1147
01:47:43,000 --> 01:47:50,000
where we can come together in person, one of the real strengths that ACC is always offered is the networking component.

1148
01:47:50,000 --> 01:48:08,000
And we would do that on a regular basis in person, where we'd come together here speakers and have the opportunity for council members to meet and talk with one another share problems and concerns and information with each other.

1149
01:48:08,000 --> 01:48:15,000
In those circumstances, we would have a significantly different price for non member to attend versus a member.

1150
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:21,000
But at this present time, we're really not focused on that.

1151
01:48:21,000 --> 01:48:24,000
Thank you.

1152
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:27,000
Any other questions?

1153
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:34,000
Thank you. I just want to say, while you're here, I want to say, you have done a fantastic job in setting the city up.

1154
01:48:34,000 --> 01:48:47,000
So, I really appreciate all of your efforts. I see all of the things that you have done and I respect and honor for you for everything that you've done in the city and it's an honor to be able to see you and be able to see that.

1155
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:49,000
So, thank you for everything.

1156
01:48:49,000 --> 01:48:50,000
Well, you're very kind.

1157
01:48:50,000 --> 01:48:53,000
But thank you. It's great to be here again. Good to see you all.

1158
01:48:53,000 --> 01:48:54,000
Thanks.

1159
01:48:54,000 --> 01:48:55,000
Thank you very much.

1160
01:48:55,000 --> 01:49:02,000
Bruce, I really appreciate you coming all the way down from yourble into here.

1161
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:09,000
All right. At this time, I would like to call our other in-person speaker.

1162
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:17,000
And that is Tony Cardenas. He is the Orange County Public Affairs Manager for the League of California Cities.

1163
01:49:17,000 --> 01:49:19,000
You can probably explain that chart a lot better.

1164
01:49:19,000 --> 01:49:24,000
Yes, I could. I'm going to leave my masculine because my mom told me to. So, that's okay.

1165
01:49:24,000 --> 01:49:29,000
I'm Tony Cardenas, I'm the Public Affairs Manager for the League of California Cities. I managed the Orange County Division.

1166
01:49:29,000 --> 01:49:32,000
Thank you for this opportunity.

1167
01:49:32,000 --> 01:49:37,000
When the League of California Cities formed in 1898, our mission then is the same as it is now.

1168
01:49:37,000 --> 01:49:41,000
And that is to protect your city's local control and authority.

1169
01:49:41,000 --> 01:49:46,000
The proof of this is included in some documents that I provided for the Council.

1170
01:49:46,000 --> 01:49:50,000
Those two documents, they highlight recent wins at the League of Cities.

1171
01:49:50,000 --> 01:49:54,000
One, both at the legislature and at the ballot box.

1172
01:49:54,000 --> 01:50:01,000
As a member of the League of Cities, you inherit a legislative lobbying team that basically serve as your boots on the ground.

1173
01:50:01,000 --> 01:50:04,000
In Sacramento to quickly take action on bills.

1174
01:50:04,000 --> 01:50:11,000
Of all the bills that are introduced in the legislature, I believe this year we have 2,100 bills that were introduced.

1175
01:50:11,000 --> 01:50:15,000
On average, we take action on 70% of the bills.

1176
01:50:15,000 --> 01:50:25,000
So that means of all the bills introduced. 70% of the bills we take on a pose and a support, neutral position depending on how it impacts your city.

1177
01:50:25,000 --> 01:50:29,000
And that's the day and day out out of the kissy that we do.

1178
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:37,000
If you want more specifics on the bills that we've engaged in, we have an electronic 2020 legislative report that I did email to you.

1179
01:50:37,000 --> 01:50:41,000
You can see all the bills that we've engaged in last year.

1180
01:50:41,000 --> 01:50:55,000
But without doing too much in the past, over the past 15 years, the League of Cities we once had significant constitutional ballot measure battles for you on behalf of the Guna Hills.

1181
01:50:55,000 --> 01:51:06,000
These are constitutional protections for vending the state from coming in and taking your local revenue, your sales tax, TLT dollars, property tax.

1182
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:16,000
It was an era and not the long ago where city councils tried to deal with this on a regular basis and not so because of these ballot measures that we've passed and protected.

1183
01:51:16,000 --> 01:51:26,000
On page 2661 of your packet, you should have a return on investment matrix.

1184
01:51:26,000 --> 01:51:36,000
And what this does is it basically quantifies dollar for dollar, the investment that the city made with the league and what that investment yielded back to the city.

1185
01:51:36,000 --> 01:51:46,000
And going back to fiscal year 2015-16, if you look at all the categories, it's 161 to 1 ratio.

1186
01:51:46,000 --> 01:51:48,000
That's a very healthy return.

1187
01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:54,000
And I just want to be very clear, this isn't for Orange County, this is specifically for the Guna Hills.

1188
01:51:54,000 --> 01:52:00,000
And of course, when the relevant question is asked, is it worth membership?

1189
01:52:00,000 --> 01:52:05,000
Well, this helps with that question and dollars for dollars.

1190
01:52:05,000 --> 01:52:15,000
But we don't just get involved with the legislature or the ballot box, we also have a legal advocacy program where we get involved in the judiciary.

1191
01:52:15,000 --> 01:52:20,000
And that's just another form that we get involved in.

1192
01:52:20,000 --> 01:52:25,000
And in terms of what we're doing now, we're actually getting involved on that legal front.

1193
01:52:25,000 --> 01:52:29,000
There's a new case you will be hearing about, if you haven't already, it's called Rileyverse.

1194
01:52:29,000 --> 01:52:37,000
The city of West Covina where an employee was terminated, the employee wanted to contest that termination through the city's process.

1195
01:52:37,000 --> 01:52:40,000
Drop that half way to suit the city.

1196
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:43,000
And now it's this, it's this score case.

1197
01:52:43,000 --> 01:52:47,000
We're supporting the city of West Covina through an amicus brief.

1198
01:52:47,000 --> 01:52:49,000
How does that relevant to the Guna Hills?

1199
01:52:49,000 --> 01:52:55,000
Well, if we protect that city process from West Covina, we potentially protect any process this city has.

1200
01:52:55,000 --> 01:52:59,000
And hopefully defend against increase the litigation.

1201
01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:05,000
In terms of what we're doing now for the city in Washington, DC, we're fighting to secure federal funding.

1202
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:13,000
COVID-19 relief funding that is direct and flexible that would go directly to the city from the federal government.

1203
01:53:13,000 --> 01:53:18,000
There's $65 billion that are being, it's being proposed.

1204
01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:20,000
It's in the, it's in the house.

1205
01:53:20,000 --> 01:53:27,000
And what we were asking all the cities to join us and get this, this funding pass.

1206
01:53:27,000 --> 01:53:32,000
And if this is successful, this could be potentially millions of dollars for the Guna Hills.

1207
01:53:32,000 --> 01:53:36,000
That money is going to be allocated through the CDBG of formula.

1208
01:53:36,000 --> 01:53:40,000
And for, I believe the Guna Hills is under 50,000 residents.

1209
01:53:40,000 --> 01:53:46,000
So we're actually going to host the webinar to help cities under 50,000 had to navigate through that process.

1210
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:48,000
So that is new, that is new funding.

1211
01:53:48,000 --> 01:53:50,000
It's, it's not secured.

1212
01:53:50,000 --> 01:53:55,000
We're going to need all the King's horseman and all the King's men when it gets into the Senate.

1213
01:53:55,000 --> 01:53:59,000
But that is, that is a current fight and advocacy that we're in.

1214
01:53:59,000 --> 01:54:02,000
There's, there's other bills.

1215
01:54:02,000 --> 01:54:05,000
I won't get too much into the weed of all the bills we're dealing with.

1216
01:54:05,000 --> 01:54:09,000
But you just heard a great presentation on SB 1383.

1217
01:54:09,000 --> 01:54:15,000
That was a very clear example of how an idea in Sacramento can impact the city in your bottom line.

1218
01:54:15,000 --> 01:54:19,000
Our position in cities need more flexibility with that bill.

1219
01:54:19,000 --> 01:54:20,000
Cities need more time.

1220
01:54:20,000 --> 01:54:24,000
And I'd like to announce right here that we are working with a Senator Laird.

1221
01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:32,000
He's going to introduce the bill SB 619 to provide city of regulatory relief and hopefully a little bit more time.

1222
01:54:32,000 --> 01:54:37,000
Those amendments and negotiations are still happening, but that's something where

1223
01:54:37,000 --> 01:54:44,000
Luguna Hills could be at the table giving us direct feedback and navigating some of those discussions.

1224
01:54:44,000 --> 01:54:50,000
We're also fighting some of the housing legislation that was originally discussed at SB 9.

1225
01:54:50,000 --> 01:54:53,000
We do have an opposed position on that bill.

1226
01:54:53,000 --> 01:54:59,000
And that is a lot of splitting bill that would impact single family residents.

1227
01:54:59,000 --> 01:55:02,000
With that, I manage the Orange County division.

1228
01:55:02,000 --> 01:55:04,000
We meet the second Friday of the month.

1229
01:55:04,000 --> 01:55:06,000
Our next meeting is March 12.

1230
01:55:06,000 --> 01:55:10,000
All our cities are on archives on our website.

1231
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:15,000
And we do have special training for city elected officials on March 26.

1232
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:20,000
With that, I'm just going to conclude my presentation by saying.

1233
01:55:20,000 --> 01:55:23,000
If we remain a member, I would strongly encourage you to get involved.

1234
01:55:23,000 --> 01:55:29,000
There's it's been a couple of years since direct elected official from this council has been involved in the league.

1235
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:31,000
You get the most rang out of your book.

1236
01:55:31,000 --> 01:55:34,000
We are engaged in current fights.

1237
01:55:34,000 --> 01:55:40,000
And we would encourage your city to be a part of the league, remain a part of the league and as a member.

1238
01:55:40,000 --> 01:55:45,000
And without all this conclude and pause for any questions.

1239
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:46,000
Thank you.

1240
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:50,000
Do we have any questions from fellow council members?

1241
01:55:50,000 --> 01:55:51,000
Council member.

1242
01:55:51,000 --> 01:55:52,000
I just have one, Mr. Kennedy.

1243
01:55:52,000 --> 01:55:53,000
Thanks for coming.

1244
01:55:53,000 --> 01:55:54,000
I appreciate it.

1245
01:55:54,000 --> 01:56:01,000
I'm curious if you got any insight as to why we cancelled these members here to begin with.

1246
01:56:01,000 --> 01:56:02,000
Same answer as my predecessor.

1247
01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:03,000
Redist staff report.

1248
01:56:03,000 --> 01:56:08,000
I understand the city was saving trying to save some money for a holiday program for some

1249
01:56:08,000 --> 01:56:09,000
flights.

1250
01:56:09,000 --> 01:56:12,000
And that was the reason it was a budgetary reason.

1251
01:56:12,000 --> 01:56:14,000
That's what I understand.

1252
01:56:14,000 --> 01:56:15,000
Thanks.

1253
01:56:15,000 --> 01:56:16,000
Yes, sir.

1254
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:19,000
Any other questions?

1255
01:56:19,000 --> 01:56:20,000
Thank you.

1256
01:56:20,000 --> 01:56:21,000
Thank you.

1257
01:56:21,000 --> 01:56:23,000
Thank you.

1258
01:56:27,000 --> 01:56:28,000
Thank you so much.

1259
01:56:28,000 --> 01:56:31,000
Tony really appreciate you coming tonight.

1260
01:56:31,000 --> 01:56:37,000
Now I do believe we have two more speakers and they are

1261
01:56:37,000 --> 01:56:39,000
going to be online.

1262
01:56:39,000 --> 01:56:45,000
Do we have Ms. Primer, the executive director from O'Cog?

1263
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:48,000
I am on.

1264
01:56:48,000 --> 01:56:49,000
Okay.

1265
01:56:49,000 --> 01:56:50,000
Okay.

1266
01:56:50,000 --> 01:56:51,000
Great.

1267
01:56:51,000 --> 01:56:52,000
Okay.

1268
01:56:52,000 --> 01:56:54,000
So I guess we can't see you, but we can hear you.

1269
01:56:54,000 --> 01:56:58,000
So go ahead and give us your presentation, please.

1270
01:56:58,000 --> 01:56:59,000
Thank you.

1271
01:56:59,000 --> 01:57:02,000
I'm sorry about the lack of a video.

1272
01:57:02,000 --> 01:57:06,000
Apparently I needed to download something first in order to make it.

1273
01:57:06,000 --> 01:57:09,000
First in order to make the video work in order to do that.

1274
01:57:09,000 --> 01:57:10,000
I would have to close out.

1275
01:57:10,000 --> 01:57:13,000
So I didn't want to miss any of the conversation.

1276
01:57:13,000 --> 01:57:18,000
Thank you very much for giving me the opportunity to address to you this evening.

1277
01:57:18,000 --> 01:57:21,000
Madam Mayor and members of the council.

1278
01:57:21,000 --> 01:57:23,000
My name is Martin Primer.

1279
01:57:23,000 --> 01:57:27,000
I'm the executive director for the Orange County Council of Governments.

1280
01:57:27,000 --> 01:57:28,000
O'Cog.

1281
01:57:28,000 --> 01:57:33,000
And I want to echo a couple of the comments that I've heard tonight.

1282
01:57:33,000 --> 01:57:38,000
And then put it to you in a way to hopefully make sense.

1283
01:57:38,000 --> 01:57:47,000
So all of the organizations of which you are currently a member are part of an ecosystem of support for you as a city.

1284
01:57:47,000 --> 01:57:49,000
And we partner together.

1285
01:57:49,000 --> 01:57:52,000
So O'Cog is a joint powers authority.

1286
01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:55,000
We're a voluntary organization right now.

1287
01:57:55,000 --> 01:58:02,000
We have every one of our cities in Orange County as well as all of the special districts.

1288
01:58:03,000 --> 01:58:10,000
The Orange County Transportation Authority the TCA Orange County Water District Orange County Sanitation District.

1289
01:58:10,000 --> 01:58:12,000
At the table.

1290
01:58:12,000 --> 01:58:27,000
In addition, we also have ex officio non voting partners from the private sector that and from the public sector that provided additional voices and advisory input into our board as they are making policy decisions.

1291
01:58:27,000 --> 01:58:34,000
And having the development community having the business community having the nonprofit housing community.

1292
01:58:34,000 --> 01:58:47,000
Our partners at ACCOC and the league at the table with us BIA of C at the table with us informing our board of directors as they're making decisions on year behalf.

1293
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And really lending their shoulders to the wheel when it comes to supporting.

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01:58:55,000 --> 01:58:57,000
The efforts of the O'Cog.

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01:58:57,000 --> 01:59:03,000
It's it's a very powerful voice and I believe because we do have this.

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01:59:03,000 --> 01:59:16,000
Level of participation from our member jurisdictions were able to exert a level of influence in regional decision making that is unparalleled even within.

1297
01:59:16,000 --> 01:59:26,000
The sky region but certainly even looking at larger counties like Los Angeles Orange County is far more engaged and far more unified in our approach.

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01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:34,000
We have excellent technical staff at the city level that is engaged on a volunteer basis to attend.

1299
01:59:34,000 --> 01:59:48,000
To attend sky meetings and work with sky staff in terms of the planning documents that are required of us the four year cycle for the regional transportation plan and sustainable community strategy and the eight year reign a cycle.

1300
01:59:48,000 --> 01:59:54,000
And I've heard tonight that you have some significant concerns about that.

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And I want to reassure you that O'Cog has been at the table.

1302
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:15,000
We have been well represented by O'Conve members fighting the good fight. Even when we lose the battle, we are still there taking our, taking our licks and getting our bruises and making sure that Orange County's perspective is heard.

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02:00:15,000 --> 02:00:29,000
More often than not, however, Orange County is successful in carrying the day and communicating our perspective to Skag is a regional body and influencing the decision-making of policymaking that goes on at the regional level.

1304
02:00:29,000 --> 02:00:46,000
There are, and I know Kome will touch on this, 196 jurisdictions that are members of Skag. O'Conve has 34 of those jurisdictions, excuse me, 35 when you include the county of Orange as well as our 34 cities.

1305
02:00:46,000 --> 02:01:07,000
And so having a delegation that is able to coordinate its advocacy with groups like ACC and the lead and be engaged on a policy level through O'Conve and through active involvement with the policy committees and the regional council at Skag really does make a huge difference for our county.

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So when we're talking about, you know, a $3,500 membership in O'Conve, please know that the investment that you're making is well taken, not only by myself, but by my partners that are here tonight.

1307
02:01:23,000 --> 02:01:36,000
And in terms of leveraging that investment for giving you a voice in decision-making that is interwoly impacting your residents in your jurisdiction.

1308
02:01:36,000 --> 02:01:42,000
I want to give you an example of a program that O'Conve has right now.

1309
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In partnership with Skag to support our local jurisdictions for producing their housing elements and reacting to those high read and numbers that every jurisdiction throughout the Skag region has been allocated.

1310
02:01:58,000 --> 02:02:16,000
This funding is coming to you Orange County, it's $3.2 million and it is directly supporting staff augmentation new online GIS based tools for helping you to choose the right sites for your arena.

1311
02:02:17,000 --> 02:02:34,000
mandates it includes support for you if you're considering any use such as pre-approved designs and plans tools for you to communicate to your public new videos explaining housing law and.

1312
02:02:34,000 --> 02:02:51,000
explaining the arena itself so that as you're getting pushed back from your community members you have tools in your toolkit to be able to communicate with them effectively actually and combat some of the misinformation or resistance to.

1313
02:02:51,000 --> 02:03:02,000
to change that we are going to you know need to address and then there's also support for our housing trust included in this this grant program as well.

1314
02:03:02,000 --> 02:03:16,000
every month the O'Conve pack meets to discuss important planning issues facing your city and your planning staff is actively involved you have opportunities to.

1315
02:03:16,000 --> 02:03:29,000
potentially be a member of the O'Conve Board of Directors district 13 of which you are part is for reelection this spring there currently three policy committee openings.

1316
02:03:29,000 --> 02:03:39,000
at for Orange County at Skag that the O'Conve Board of Directors will be appointing this week and so there are opportunities for you is council members to be.

1317
02:03:39,000 --> 02:03:48,000
more involved and have a role in a regional leadership forum and then there's also those opportunities I mentioned for your staff.

1318
02:03:48,000 --> 02:03:59,000
and we're hosting a series of webinars on housing related topics leading up to our general assembly which we post on to the following that will all be able to be together in person.

1319
02:03:59,000 --> 02:04:04,000
your membership views as a member of O'Conve have not been increased in a decade.

1320
02:04:04,000 --> 02:04:15,000
we are charging the same today that we charged 10 years ago and delivering even more value for you every year again I really want to thank council number.

1321
02:04:15,000 --> 02:04:39,000
and so I can't be there in person we had a little child here mix up today so I had to do it remotely but I'd be happy to answer any questions that you have and provide any additional details that you think would be helpful to you as you make this difficult decision.

1322
02:04:39,000 --> 02:04:46,000
thank you do we have any questions.

1323
02:04:46,000 --> 02:04:49,000
okay thank you.

1324
02:04:49,000 --> 02:04:51,000
miss me do we have any other.

1325
02:04:51,000 --> 02:04:52,000
yes.

1326
02:04:52,000 --> 02:05:04,000
all right thank you so much morning I really really appreciate you taking the time believe me I understand the child care issues that one is near and dear.

1327
02:05:04,000 --> 02:05:18,000
last of our speakers say certainly not least is Jonathan Hughes he is the regional affairs officer for skag and just so everyone knows skag stands for the Southern California Association of Governments.

1328
02:05:18,000 --> 02:05:27,000
and he's here with us now we actually have video so Jonathan if you want to go ahead and give us your presentation.

1329
02:05:27,000 --> 02:05:33,000
thank you so much council member have mayor and members of the council I'm not she pleased to turn it over to our executive director.

1330
02:05:33,000 --> 02:05:37,000
Mr coming as you say coming.

1331
02:05:37,000 --> 02:05:41,000
thank you John and good evening madam mayor and council members.

1332
02:05:41,000 --> 02:05:51,000
my name is coming as you say I'm the executive of Skag Jonathan I would love to be there with you tonight but we're still under the mandatory work at home.

1333
02:05:51,000 --> 02:06:01,000
I'm a situation at work and could not be there but we really appreciate the time you've given us to participate tonight.

1334
02:06:01,000 --> 02:06:09,000
as you consider whether or not to continue the membership with this for organizations like let me just say very strongly that.

1335
02:06:09,000 --> 02:06:17,000
I encourage the council to to to move in favor of this especially as it pertains to stag.

1336
02:06:17,000 --> 02:06:29,000
we consider these organizations that you are looking at today but I've spoken to you ahead of me today to be partners in our work together as we seek to advance.

1337
02:06:29,000 --> 02:06:35,000
what's really what's better what's a better future for Southern California in general.

1338
02:06:35,000 --> 02:06:45,000
now you may know that the good news is no stranger to Skag some of your former colleagues have served at Skag.

1339
02:06:45,000 --> 02:06:50,000
we had council member Barbara Cogerman and council member.

1340
02:06:50,000 --> 02:07:02,000
button sugar I think both served in the past at Skag and we're pleased to also have engaged council member willer during our elected official briefing for.

1341
02:07:02,000 --> 02:07:08,000
I just we just adopted last year membership in Skag in that is a.

1342
02:07:08,000 --> 02:07:21,000
in addition to many other benefits that it provides is an opportunity for and this has been mentioned by my three discreters it's not particularly to serve on on regional policy making bodies.

1343
02:07:21,000 --> 02:07:35,000
we as Skag are not an island on to ourselves were really a a a collaborative that involves all of our local jurisdictions in South California which gives us the boys that we have.

1344
02:07:35,000 --> 02:07:44,000
both Ocarg and Skag governmental entities that provide significant value for the cost of membership.

1345
02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:57,000
the use that you pay at Skag really have a huge return among the benefits you get opportunity to help guide policy and decisions on matters of regional importance like housing.

1346
02:07:57,000 --> 02:08:01,000
the economy transportation air quality.

1347
02:08:01,000 --> 02:08:12,000
you get to be part of a regional voice advocacy at state and federal level we have a legislative communication membership committee.

1348
02:08:12,000 --> 02:08:22,000
that syncs up all of our local needs local entity needs and we roll that into a legislative advocacy that we take to Sacramento.

1349
02:08:22,000 --> 02:08:35,000
and and to DC and we are actually doing that on a weekly basis I am part of meeting with several different legislators and trying to posit with them.

1350
02:08:35,000 --> 02:08:39,000
the interest of of our cities and counties in Southern California.

1351
02:08:39,000 --> 02:08:48,000
membership involves eligibility for millions of dollars in annual grants such as the go human pedestrian bicycle safety program.

1352
02:08:48,000 --> 02:08:57,000
and you know this this is a program that's been successful across the region in addition to that you have access to technical support and assistance.

1353
02:08:57,000 --> 02:09:06,000
software licenses that is of support and grants these are various just a few other things that we we do at Skag.

1354
02:09:06,000 --> 02:09:15,000
you know one of the one of the products that we put out every two years it's the is a local profile which is the densest data reach book.

1355
02:09:15,000 --> 02:09:23,000
on each city that you'll ever see anywhere and we're very proud of ourselves doing that that's something that we always feel like.

1356
02:09:23,000 --> 02:09:33,000
we couldn't we couldn't produce enough of them because of the interest would get on them and then you also participate in our general assembly and the economic summit.

1357
02:09:34,000 --> 02:09:43,000
you know, Skag I think Marty already talked about it we fund a lot of our activities through sub regional entities like O card.

1358
02:09:43,000 --> 02:10:02,000
the funds that we got for you to want to one at the state half of those funds were pushed out through entities like O card to do work with each city in their jurisdiction to try and get some production and housing this year through Skag.

1359
02:10:02,000 --> 02:10:19,000
we are through our regional data platform we're providing no cost licenses to to GIS tools that's validated about $6,000 that's that's almost twice the cost of the fee that you would that you would pay anyway.

1360
02:10:19,000 --> 02:10:36,000
so just with that one to alone you would have made you made returns on on the fees so even without the incredible assistance on that one to you could see the benefit that being a Skag provides.

1361
02:10:36,000 --> 02:10:38,000
as an example.

1362
02:10:38,000 --> 02:10:59,000
today Skag provides providing training I will provide training to city staff related to local housing data and and and the housing element parcel tool which we call Alpha this is a tool that we have that allows cities to be able to in a more efficient way locate.

1363
02:10:59,000 --> 02:11:21,000
also that will be relevant to the housing element development I should say tomorrow I am meeting with the director of the housing committee government department in Sacramento to talk about arena numbers because that's been brought up several times but beyond just arena how do we help cities to actually produce housing because that's that's really the ultimate.

1364
02:11:21,000 --> 02:11:29,000
so I encourage the council to give full consideration to this important item brought before you and I want to thank council member have for.

1365
02:11:29,000 --> 02:11:43,000
for the privilege of being able to be part of this conversation there are many issues that can be resolved at the local level and and we always believe at Skag that the best government is local government city government.

1366
02:11:43,000 --> 02:11:59,000
because it does provide services to people directly and it was it was really I'd say fun to listen to the discussion on on solid waste management earlier on because these are really issues that that people are dealing with.

1367
02:11:59,000 --> 02:12:20,000
however there are issues that may change in or larger than anyone city to deal with that's where the regional regional scale comes into play and the regional scale really is city's coming together like Skag like oakhog to solve those problems so as partner agencies have already eloquently pointed out.

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02:12:20,000 --> 02:12:49,000
we including the honor of going to book them she is a dynamic voice on Skag it's important that we hear from all voices all jurisdictions within a first vast and diverse region so again I want to thank you for the privilege of being able to join you tonight and hope that we get a positive ruling from you without I will be I'll be quiet and see if there any questions or Jonathan if you want to say something.

1369
02:12:50,000 --> 02:13:13,000
Thank you so much come in I'll just I'll just add one one quick thing in addition to everything that that that calling mentioned Skag also funds a number of programs through OCTA you're familiar with the Center for demographic research at Cal State Fullerton and of course Oakhog I see mentioned a couple examples that serve all of Orange County including the city of Laguna Hills and lastly coming mentioned the helper tool which is our.

1370
02:13:13,000 --> 02:13:35,000
land use analysis tool that we're that we're helping our jurisdictions with just today literally today on February 23rd our staff had a meeting with the city of Laguna Hills staff providing some technical assistance with that tool so just wanted to provide that very tangible anecdote and again thank you for the opportunity to share with you this evening.

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02:13:35,000 --> 02:13:50,000
I wanted to ask a question gentleman you'd mentioned something and I think it'd be good for us to know as a council a little bit more about this you said there was a no cost license for GIS maybe you could get a little bit more.

1372
02:13:50,000 --> 02:13:56,000
detailed about that what that means for us is cities and the value is about $6,000 like maybe a little more information.

1373
02:13:56,000 --> 02:14:14,000
So absolutely so over at Skag we had been working on this notion of big data open data of Skag's data is what every city relies on to get work done for the most part but it doesn't come cheap you hire consultants that will come to us and get our data.

1374
02:14:14,000 --> 02:14:26,000
And then use it to produce materials for you what we've tried to do is to make that data more accessible in a way that's I think a little more efficient to get work done.

1375
02:14:26,000 --> 02:14:47,000
I almost no cost by least reduce cost and so we have to be spending some time working with as we to develop this regional data platform and it's a really sophisticated tool and it's not done yet but we're beginning to see some some outcomes from the work that's been done so far we've been working on it.

1376
02:14:47,000 --> 02:15:00,000
We did as we for the last year and a half or so and so there are things that tools are beginning to emanate from it one of them is this helper tool for example and the intent is to provide each city with.

1377
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:06,200
The elections are often articulated by conscience.

1378
02:15:06,200 --> 02:15:10,360
You can imagine most of our citizens, 90, 90, 90 is schools, and most of our cities are

1379
02:15:10,360 --> 02:15:15,100
small cities. People tend to think LA and LONGBREE cars, but most of our cities are small

1380
02:15:15,100 --> 02:15:18,840
speeds.

1381
02:15:18,840 --> 02:15:22,600
the capacity to go out and invest in this licenses.

1382
02:15:22,600 --> 02:15:26,760
So it was really a kind of a scale for us at Skag

1383
02:15:26,760 --> 02:15:30,520
to do that on behalf of all cities so that at least every single city

1384
02:15:30,520 --> 02:15:34,200
can play at that same level of technical competence.

1385
02:15:34,200 --> 02:15:35,320
And that's what this tool is.

1386
02:15:35,320 --> 02:15:39,240
The value of the licenses is next to us of $6,000.

1387
02:15:39,240 --> 02:15:44,200
You know, I do, I'm going to use the last time,

1388
02:15:44,200 --> 02:15:45,880
was about 3,800.

1389
02:15:45,880 --> 02:15:47,880
We actually reduced those dues because of we

1390
02:15:47,880 --> 02:15:51,960
knew there was an impact last year on everybody by 20%.

1391
02:15:51,960 --> 02:15:55,960
And so we know that you do get value out of that,

1392
02:15:55,960 --> 02:15:59,320
just the license fee alone that alone the technical support

1393
02:15:59,320 --> 02:16:02,440
that came out of it, the work that was done today,

1394
02:16:02,440 --> 02:16:04,920
that Jonathan described with your staff,

1395
02:16:04,920 --> 02:16:09,160
is along the lines of using that tool.

1396
02:16:09,160 --> 02:16:10,680
Thank you so much.

1397
02:16:10,680 --> 02:16:14,280
And so you did mention, I just wanted to reiterate,

1398
02:16:14,280 --> 02:16:18,360
along with the ACC of C, lowering their dues.

1399
02:16:18,360 --> 02:16:25,640
Skag has given the option for cities to pay a 20% less fee for their dues.

1400
02:16:25,640 --> 02:16:30,680
So we go from about 35 and some change down to about 28 and some changes.

1401
02:16:30,680 --> 02:16:32,520
That correct, gentlemen.

1402
02:16:32,520 --> 02:16:34,680
That's right. That's right.

1403
02:16:34,680 --> 02:16:36,040
Great. Okay.

1404
02:16:36,040 --> 02:16:37,880
Thank you so much.

1405
02:16:37,880 --> 02:16:40,360
Mayor, any questions?

1406
02:16:40,360 --> 02:16:44,360
Yes. Any questions, council members?

1407
02:16:46,840 --> 02:16:52,440
Okay. Council members, are there any questions for council

1408
02:16:52,440 --> 02:16:56,200
member have there's staff?

1409
02:16:56,200 --> 02:16:58,200
Okay.

1410
02:17:00,760 --> 02:17:02,760
Mayor Paton.

1411
02:17:02,760 --> 02:17:06,840
Let me ask a question and Mr. Rosenfield.

1412
02:17:06,840 --> 02:17:14,600
When we made the decision to take kind of a year high at us from these organizations

1413
02:17:14,600 --> 02:17:22,040
last summer, when we were trying to find ways to reduce some expenditures,

1414
02:17:22,040 --> 02:17:29,400
in the middle of the pandemic, we were having to cut quite a few staff revenues were significantly reduced.

1415
02:17:29,560 --> 02:17:39,480
And your predecessor, Mr. White, had at least intimately expressed to us that he didn't think

1416
02:17:39,480 --> 02:17:52,600
that it was going to be much of an impact to do that from the city's perspective to take a COVID break.

1417
02:17:53,560 --> 02:17:59,240
As kind of the way that it was kind of described today, we heard that, you know, we used a

1418
02:17:59,240 --> 02:18:06,600
scag for one of the resources today, we've heard that there's grants, you know, grants that sometimes

1419
02:18:06,600 --> 02:18:13,640
we're able to take advantage of and aside from the from the lobbying, we have a lobbyist to

1420
02:18:13,640 --> 02:18:19,640
mean that type of stuff. What about just from a practical nature from our city's staff's point of view?

1421
02:18:20,520 --> 02:18:27,160
What would be the impact? Would it be something that would be cutting our nose off to spider face,

1422
02:18:27,160 --> 02:18:31,000
that there's actually some great savings and tools that are very much worth the money

1423
02:18:31,720 --> 02:18:38,200
that we would actually maybe not be saving money if you consider all of the benefits?

1424
02:18:39,960 --> 02:18:41,560
Want to get your perspective on that?

1425
02:18:41,560 --> 02:18:46,840
Thank you, Mayor Protown, I'm such a wick and members of the city council.

1426
02:18:48,440 --> 02:18:55,320
It's not a simple question to answer, but I'm going to give you a little bit of flavor and I'm going to

1427
02:18:55,320 --> 02:19:01,480
give you responses that will appear to be contradictory, but they're appropriate for you to consider.

1428
02:19:02,760 --> 02:19:09,320
The first, as a general response, a little bit beyond your question, I would advise the city council

1429
02:19:09,400 --> 02:19:16,440
that I do recommend in support that the city be members of regional organizations because coalitions

1430
02:19:16,440 --> 02:19:22,680
have beneficial impacts. We've seen that over the years and that's why these organizations exist.

1431
02:19:24,760 --> 02:19:30,600
Most of these organizations have existed long before the city did, so there's some recent history behind that.

1432
02:19:31,480 --> 02:19:37,640
At the same time, we can only participate in what we can afford to participate in.

1433
02:19:39,320 --> 02:19:48,680
And the COVID-19 pandemic has had serious impacts on the city's budget and for the members who are on the council

1434
02:19:48,680 --> 02:19:58,760
at the July 7 special meeting, I would simply recall for you that the city implemented at the city manager's

1435
02:19:58,760 --> 02:20:06,840
direction tier 1 cuts in order to deal with anticipated revenue reductions because of COVID-19.

1436
02:20:07,800 --> 02:20:15,400
And at the time on July 7, the anticipated reduction in general fund revenues was $2.3 million.

1437
02:20:16,760 --> 02:20:22,760
And the anticipated value of the tier 1 cuts was approximately $1.7 million.

1438
02:20:23,400 --> 02:20:33,400
So in other words, our cuts were not matching the revenues and we have a net reduction over the projected

1439
02:20:33,400 --> 02:20:41,240
budget that was adopted two years ago coming June. And I've had some opportunity to do some work on this

1440
02:20:41,240 --> 02:20:48,280
with the finance director in the last couple of weeks because we're getting ready for our budget process again this spring.

1441
02:20:49,160 --> 02:20:56,520
And those predictions of a loss of revenue of about 2.3 million are looking like they're pretty accurate.

1442
02:20:56,600 --> 02:21:01,160
I mean, they're going to vary a little bit. Maybe $50,000,000, $100,000, $1,000,000,000, $1,000,000.

1443
02:21:01,960 --> 02:21:06,840
Some revenues are coming in exactly the expected summer coming in higher and summer coming in lower.

1444
02:21:07,880 --> 02:21:13,480
But overall it was pretty impressive estimation back on July 7.

1445
02:21:14,920 --> 02:21:25,000
Having said that, I would also remind the council that the savings that could be accrued by

1446
02:21:25,720 --> 02:21:31,080
not being members of these organizations was not included in the tier 1 cuts.

1447
02:21:32,120 --> 02:21:39,480
But also the staff in the following agenda item on that same July 7 did not recommend entering into the contract

1448
02:21:39,480 --> 02:21:48,680
for the holiday lights and decorations. So we're talking about something that was requested that wasn't recommended

1449
02:21:48,760 --> 02:21:53,640
and something that was removed, it wasn't recommended. And the council was, of course,

1450
02:21:54,200 --> 02:21:57,640
appropriate to make those recommendations and we made adjustments accordingly.

1451
02:22:00,040 --> 02:22:06,200
One last general comment and then I'll specifically respond to your answer and that is the best time to consider

1452
02:22:06,200 --> 02:22:13,480
budget issues is at the budget development time where all priorities of the city can be laid out at

1453
02:22:13,480 --> 02:22:18,440
the front of the council at the same time and the council can collectively decide the relative priorities

1454
02:22:18,440 --> 02:22:24,520
of one thing versus another. So returning to your question about the specific value

1455
02:22:28,040 --> 02:22:34,920
of these organizations, of course, Skag's been around a long time and deals with a lot of high-level regional

1456
02:22:35,000 --> 02:22:42,760
issues and they're important. And O-Cog then disaggregates that down to the more local levels.

1457
02:22:42,760 --> 02:22:50,440
So that's even more important for us. They give us a lot of data that helps us. The League of California

1458
02:22:50,440 --> 02:22:57,800
cities is likely the longest serving organization and I go to that website frequently to look up

1459
02:22:57,800 --> 02:23:02,760
information because they're a great resource and you can go to that website whether you remember or not.

1460
02:23:02,760 --> 02:23:08,920
I'm just telling you that they offer a lot of resources, particularly bill analysis, access to legislation,

1461
02:23:08,920 --> 02:23:16,920
bill analysis and recommendations, which is important for us. ACC O-C offers training and opportunities

1462
02:23:16,920 --> 02:23:21,960
for networking for council members, but that's the organization I'm least personally familiar with.

1463
02:23:21,960 --> 02:23:33,240
So specifically, you know, at a cost today in this current budget cycle of approximately $28,000

1464
02:23:33,240 --> 02:23:42,360
if all four entities were to be rejoined, I couldn't say that we would exactly get $28,000 or more

1465
02:23:42,360 --> 02:23:49,480
in return dollar for dollar, but we get resources, we get education, we get peers to talk to

1466
02:23:50,280 --> 02:23:58,520
that I'm not putting dollar amounts to, but are important. Scag in particular has offered GIS support

1467
02:23:58,520 --> 02:24:04,440
services in the past. We've taken advantage of those. We've paid for some of those as well, but at a reduced rate

1468
02:24:04,440 --> 02:24:12,920
over what we would have paid. We have our own GIS system, which is expensive and if there's an opportunity

1469
02:24:12,920 --> 02:24:18,840
to benefit from maybe some new global licensing, I would be interested in finding out about that.

1470
02:24:18,840 --> 02:24:24,680
There could be a net savings there. And we'll look into that over time. So it's really

1471
02:24:25,480 --> 02:24:30,760
difficult to pin down and answer to your question other than the general statements I've made.

1472
02:24:30,760 --> 02:24:37,640
I can't give you a dollar for dollar recommendation, and I'd be happy to answer more details about the

1473
02:24:37,640 --> 02:24:44,520
budget if there are other questions. Thank you. Any other questions?

1474
02:24:45,160 --> 02:24:50,040
I have a couple of questions, Mr. Roosevelt. So you mentioned that we did have to reduce staff.

1475
02:24:50,760 --> 02:24:55,560
Were we able to add any of those staff back since those reductions?

1476
02:24:57,160 --> 02:25:03,000
Thank you. Council member Hunter for the question. Interestingly enough, in the July 7th

1477
02:25:03,000 --> 02:25:11,480
staff report, there was the identification that we laid off approximately 32 part-time staff because

1478
02:25:11,480 --> 02:25:16,280
all the recreation programs were closed down and we also reduced one part-time staff number here in the

1479
02:25:16,280 --> 02:25:25,240
Civic Center. But the report anticipated that the crystal ball at the time was that COVID would likely

1480
02:25:25,240 --> 02:25:33,320
get under control in the fall and then probably by January of 2021 we could reintroduce the recreation

1481
02:25:33,320 --> 02:25:40,920
program and hire some or all of those people back and be back up and running. Of course that didn't happen

1482
02:25:41,560 --> 02:25:49,320
we're all familiar with the reach of the pandemic and so no we have not retained any other staff back.

1483
02:25:50,040 --> 02:25:57,960
We have also not added, so that's an expense if you add them back but we've also not started the

1484
02:25:57,960 --> 02:26:06,280
programs again and not received the revenue that in some form supports those staff it's not a one to one ratio

1485
02:26:07,320 --> 02:26:09,800
but so we don't have the expense we don't have the revenue.

1486
02:26:11,960 --> 02:26:19,320
So I have a question. Mr. Rosenfield, I'm trying to piggyback on what council member Hunter said

1487
02:26:20,440 --> 02:26:28,280
in terms of when we furloughed those staff members, there was an obvious reason for that and that was there

1488
02:26:28,280 --> 02:26:34,520
was no work. There were no recreational activities and so that was just a natural occurrence of what had happened

1489
02:26:34,520 --> 02:26:43,880
with COVID. If there's nothing to present and offer to the residents in terms of activities you can't

1490
02:26:44,520 --> 02:26:51,720
have those staff members right that's the whole micro rectum. Yes that was the purpose for the layoffs.

1491
02:26:53,960 --> 02:27:01,880
Okay so this Mr. Rosenfield, I have an additional question. We are currently encountering many challenges

1492
02:27:01,880 --> 02:27:09,640
at our community center when the pickleball court opened and where it has created problems and we don't

1493
02:27:09,640 --> 02:27:16,520
have the staff to sort of manage this problem. Is this correct? Yes that's correct. Thank you.

1494
02:27:18,360 --> 02:27:25,240
Miss Lee, do we have any public comments? Madam Mayor, we did receive 20 electronic public

1495
02:27:25,240 --> 02:27:30,840
comments that were afforded to the City Council in advance of the meeting. Joy Chen, Larry

1496
02:27:30,840 --> 02:27:40,120
Bremer, Sydney Harrington, David Harrington, Jofuzanne, Fay Chekoway, Jim Annada, chatwell, Rosemary

1497
02:27:40,120 --> 02:27:50,280
Boosta, Doris Rodriguez, Tom Burns, Connie George, Mario, Mario and Daniele Vasquez, Dawn Ford,

1498
02:27:50,360 --> 02:27:58,840
Susan Willem, Ann Taylor Lockron, Stephen Blife, Richard and Ginger Rivera, Robin Jocams,

1499
02:27:58,840 --> 02:28:06,600
and Gary Heerman, each sent an email opposing reconsideration of the memberships, and Jonathan Hughes

1500
02:28:06,600 --> 02:28:13,080
on behalf of Komi Agis, Executive Director of Skag, sent an email in favor of reconsideration of

1501
02:28:13,080 --> 02:28:19,960
the memberships. We also have two public speakers wishing to address the council. We will start with

1502
02:28:19,960 --> 02:28:40,760
Dawn Ford if you could approach the podium. Are there madam Mayor and City Council members?

1503
02:28:41,560 --> 02:28:47,400
As I talked before, I had all these issues about things being fixed and maintenance in Laguna

1504
02:28:47,400 --> 02:28:55,000
Hills, and I think for us residents, we should see those items being done for our view and our eyes.

1505
02:28:55,800 --> 02:29:01,560
We don't see what's really being done with these memberships. Right now, it's like, I do not feel

1506
02:29:01,560 --> 02:29:08,920
that now is the time to reinstate the city membership and regional organizations. We are still in a pandemic

1507
02:29:08,920 --> 02:29:15,640
and everything is pretty much an idle mode. We're really stuck at what we can do. There is no crystal

1508
02:29:15,640 --> 02:29:22,280
ballroom or actually going to be out of this. So getting advice on what to do, it's like how

1509
02:29:22,280 --> 02:29:26,920
we're going forward. We already have things we have to fix. Let's just work on what we have right now.

1510
02:29:28,360 --> 02:29:34,680
And I think we should have better safety and repairing the items, doing the maintenance on things that

1511
02:29:34,680 --> 02:29:42,680
need to be done. And the pathways should be fixed. The broken sidewalks. I mean, we don't need advice for that.

1512
02:29:42,760 --> 02:29:50,520
We know how to do that. Those are easy repairs. And I think that most of us residents

1513
02:29:50,520 --> 02:29:55,320
would like more share of controlling the neighborhoods because we have so much crime going on

1514
02:29:56,120 --> 02:29:59,720
that these rain cameras are catching these people. But what is it doing?

1515
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:29,760
And you just see a person break into your car or whatever. It's not really catching them. So they come back. And in my neighborhood, they come back almost like every other weekend, breaking in the cars. And people know, don't leave your car in lock, but they still do. And then people go in there and they break in there. And it just brings them back. So they can come back again and find that unopened car again. And I think that the money that we should be spent towards as a visual effects for the residents to see in our community.

1516
02:30:29,760 --> 02:30:49,760
Just fixing ridge route drive and repaving that for the North Laguna Hills residents over there. It seems like that there for gotten, I mean, I never even knew that street like existed until people complained to me about it and went over there. And I'm like, wow, there's not other streets in Laguna Hills that even compares to that street.

1517
02:30:49,760 --> 02:30:58,760
And all of the damage and the bumps and the crevices that are there that that should be like number one priority because all of those residents over there in that area.

1518
02:30:58,760 --> 02:31:20,760
They're going through so much by their mailboxes being broken into and they're not just being broken into, they're being destroyed. And those complexes over there have to pay for new mailboxes, let alone all of the mail that's stolen from those people. So at least you can do is give them a street to go back and forth on so they can go to their jobs and pay their bills.

1519
02:31:20,760 --> 02:31:28,760
And many of us residents who live here now, that's what we should see the money going for. The members, the memberships are working.

1520
02:31:28,760 --> 02:31:41,760
Obviously are not working because the advice you're receiving on building the structures to replace our mall is not working. I mean nothing's being built. Now we have the construction of the five freeway going through.

1521
02:31:41,760 --> 02:31:48,760
So people are just driving past the zone of hills. There's nothing here for them to offer. No reason why for them to stop.

1522
02:31:48,760 --> 02:31:57,760
So in my opinion, it's kind of like going to Disneyland. Would you rather talk to the characters and go hang out with Mickey Mouse and Donald Duck?

1523
02:31:57,760 --> 02:32:02,760
Would you rather ride the rides and know that you got the most free money that was spent?

1524
02:32:02,760 --> 02:32:11,760
I hope that all of you will make the right decision and as residents are relying on you to do the best with our money. Thank you.

1525
02:32:11,760 --> 02:32:15,760
Thank you, Ms. Ford.

1526
02:32:15,760 --> 02:32:21,760
Danielle Belinger, you'd approach the podium?

1527
02:32:21,760 --> 02:32:25,760
Nice to see you all again. It's been a minute.

1528
02:32:26,760 --> 02:32:36,760
I understand that the council's reconsideration to reinstate the membership in regional organizations would absolutely benefit the council and the council member, but not our city.

1529
02:32:36,760 --> 02:32:41,760
Prioritizing funds for the council to be a part of memberships.

1530
02:32:41,760 --> 02:32:57,760
Over our city's safety is a gross misappropriation of funds, especially considering the memberships cost about $28,000, which would equate to at least 14 license plate leaders throughout our community to curb the crime.

1531
02:32:57,760 --> 02:33:03,760
I implore you to consider our city's safety over these memberships.

1532
02:33:04,760 --> 02:33:25,760
The attention is not to take funds away from SB 1383's ordinances, but to ensure the funds that are made available not go to memberships to organizations that regardless of our fees will continue to fight the good fight, which was self-proclaimed this evening.

1533
02:33:25,760 --> 02:33:40,760
Local times and with technology today, there should be an alternative to fee-based groups to assist community institutions amongst the Orange County cities.

1534
02:33:40,760 --> 02:33:43,760
Thank you.

1535
02:33:44,760 --> 02:34:03,760
If I may, I know this, I don't know if this is usual or not, but we've had a pretty impressive lobbying effort by the political class here tonight, and we have 20 public comments from people in the community here in Laguna Hills.

1536
02:34:03,760 --> 02:34:11,760
I wonder if it'd be appropriate to read those into the record so that we could hear from the people who actually live here on this issue.

1537
02:34:11,760 --> 02:34:27,760
I don't believe anybody that's focused here tonight so far except for the last two, or members of the community, so I would propose that we read these all 21 of them into the record.

1538
02:34:27,760 --> 02:34:34,760
Any issues with that?

1539
02:34:34,760 --> 02:34:37,760
That's not normal for our policy.

1540
02:34:37,760 --> 02:34:50,760
I mean, we would need to implement a policy across the board if we were to do something like that, and that would be something that I would think should affect every council meeting and not just pick and choose a council meeting.

1541
02:34:50,760 --> 02:35:06,760
So I would, I guess, I would defer to our city attorney to ask him what would be appropriate because if we decide on one council meeting to read.

1542
02:35:06,760 --> 02:35:14,760
These letters into the record, but we don't for other, that doesn't seem to be a fair across the board.

1543
02:35:14,760 --> 02:35:15,760
Yes.

1544
02:35:15,760 --> 02:35:16,760
Good evening, Mayor.

1545
02:35:16,760 --> 02:35:17,760
Members of the city council.

1546
02:35:17,760 --> 02:35:20,760
The council currently has a COVID-19 policy.

1547
02:35:20,760 --> 02:35:22,760
It's printed on the front of the agenda.

1548
02:35:22,760 --> 02:35:28,760
It indicates that e-commence will be received, and they won't not be read into the record.

1549
02:35:28,760 --> 02:35:33,760
However, the name and the general subject matter will be recognized.

1550
02:35:33,760 --> 02:35:39,760
However, having said that, it is the council's prerogative if there is disagreement amongst council members.

1551
02:35:39,760 --> 02:35:50,760
The recommendation would be that you call for a vote on whether or not to read each of these 21 or 23 e-commence into the record for this agenda item only.

1552
02:35:50,760 --> 02:35:51,760
Thank you.

1553
02:35:51,760 --> 02:35:53,760
I could comment for the middle, Mayor.

1554
02:35:53,760 --> 02:35:54,760
Yes.

1555
02:35:54,760 --> 02:35:55,760
I just think it's important here.

1556
02:35:55,760 --> 02:35:59,760
I mean, look, we've had a pretty impressive display of people that were called in.

1557
02:35:59,760 --> 02:36:01,760
I don't think that's usual, too, on every event.

1558
02:36:01,760 --> 02:36:05,760
But nobody who's spoken on this event so far.

1559
02:36:05,760 --> 02:36:14,760
A resident of the city, we should hear what the people who put us up here have to say before we make a decision on an important issue like this.

1560
02:36:14,760 --> 02:36:21,760
Before we even get into the discussion on how we got here in the first place, which I think we need to have as well.

1561
02:36:21,760 --> 02:36:34,760
So I would propose that we do read the comments of the people who took the time, who may not be city council members from other states,

1562
02:36:34,760 --> 02:36:40,760
or members of these communities that are looking for membership do, but have a stake in our community.

1563
02:36:40,760 --> 02:36:42,760
Is that your motion?

1564
02:36:42,760 --> 02:36:43,760
Yes.

1565
02:36:43,760 --> 02:36:44,760
Okay.

1566
02:36:44,760 --> 02:36:45,760
Only the second.

1567
02:36:45,760 --> 02:36:46,760
I will second that motion.

1568
02:36:46,760 --> 02:36:58,760
I want to reiterate that with this item, we've had more comments from residents than we have in a long period of time.

1569
02:36:58,760 --> 02:37:04,760
This suggests that the public is watching and very involved.

1570
02:37:04,760 --> 02:37:13,760
And I want our council to know that I've been contacted by more residents regarding this matter.

1571
02:37:13,760 --> 02:37:17,760
And my phone line has been flooded.

1572
02:37:17,760 --> 02:37:22,760
So with that, I would like to have the vote and I am seconding.

1573
02:37:22,760 --> 02:37:28,760
So the motion, the item has been moved by council member.

1574
02:37:28,760 --> 02:37:31,760
Hunt and seconded by me.

1575
02:37:31,760 --> 02:37:33,760
Mayor Pazel.

1576
02:37:33,760 --> 02:37:34,760
All those in favor.

1577
02:37:34,760 --> 02:37:36,760
You should ask for some discussion first.

1578
02:37:36,760 --> 02:37:37,760
Yes.

1579
02:37:37,760 --> 02:37:38,760
Okay.

1580
02:37:38,760 --> 02:37:39,760
Excuse me.

1581
02:37:39,760 --> 02:37:40,760
Sorry.

1582
02:37:40,760 --> 02:37:41,760
May we have.

1583
02:37:41,760 --> 02:37:44,760
Do we have a discussion?

1584
02:37:44,760 --> 02:37:45,760
Council member.

1585
02:37:45,760 --> 02:37:51,760
I just want to ask you for are the letters all alike or primarily alike?

1586
02:37:52,760 --> 02:37:56,760
They are all similar in nature.

1587
02:37:56,760 --> 02:38:03,760
Some are longer and more in depth and more specific than others.

1588
02:38:03,760 --> 02:38:04,760
Okay.

1589
02:38:04,760 --> 02:38:09,760
Also I'd like to comment that the people with the letters, at least most of them, except for the few that are here tonight,

1590
02:38:09,760 --> 02:38:11,760
did not hear the other side of the coin.

1591
02:38:11,760 --> 02:38:14,760
These organizations benefit our city.

1592
02:38:14,760 --> 02:38:16,760
I know it's important to go roads and safety.

1593
02:38:16,760 --> 02:38:19,760
I'm going to bring that later about the safety thing.

1594
02:38:19,760 --> 02:38:22,760
We have to consider what is good for staying long run.

1595
02:38:22,760 --> 02:38:28,760
We could hire another person to finish the road and put it back towards.

1596
02:38:28,760 --> 02:38:30,760
This is not going to affect that.

1597
02:38:30,760 --> 02:38:33,760
It's not like we're losing one thing to gain another.

1598
02:38:33,760 --> 02:38:36,760
These organizations are stretched beyond our borders.

1599
02:38:36,760 --> 02:38:39,760
These organizations affect what's going to combat our communities.

1600
02:38:39,760 --> 02:38:45,760
The thing that was mentioned like, you know, they can take the house next to 80 years and turn it into a six-plex.

1601
02:38:45,760 --> 02:38:47,760
And there's nothing you can do about it.

1602
02:38:47,760 --> 02:38:52,760
Those are the kind of more advanced issues and higher level issues that we're continuing with.

1603
02:38:52,760 --> 02:38:55,760
It's a two, you know, heighters are ahead of the same.

1604
02:38:55,760 --> 02:38:57,760
I do not think it's appropriate.

1605
02:38:57,760 --> 02:38:58,760
We really have to consider that.

1606
02:38:58,760 --> 02:39:02,760
And be mindful we're not throwing out the things that are wanted by the people at night.

1607
02:39:02,760 --> 02:39:04,760
The things that Mr. Ford mentioned.

1608
02:39:04,760 --> 02:39:06,760
There's no reason we're not going to do this.

1609
02:39:06,760 --> 02:39:08,760
I'm going to bring it up a little later.

1610
02:39:08,760 --> 02:39:09,760
And I will do that.

1611
02:39:09,760 --> 02:39:11,760
It's not like we're losing all of those.

1612
02:39:11,760 --> 02:39:13,760
It's not like this $28,000.

1613
02:39:13,760 --> 02:39:16,760
It's going to impact everything else in the city.

1614
02:39:16,760 --> 02:39:19,760
It's important that we do not hide or hit the sand.

1615
02:39:19,760 --> 02:39:23,760
If we deserve these organizations now that are defending us and helping us.

1616
02:39:23,760 --> 02:39:26,760
What's going to happen next time when something happens here and we need defending us.

1617
02:39:26,760 --> 02:39:29,760
Hey, you guys wouldn't even be on the team.

1618
02:39:29,760 --> 02:39:31,760
And now you want to come and help you.

1619
02:39:31,760 --> 02:39:32,760
It's not just that.

1620
02:39:32,760 --> 02:39:35,760
Well, and I just think we need to be involved in the world.

1621
02:39:35,760 --> 02:39:36,760
We can't hide ourselves here.

1622
02:39:36,760 --> 02:39:38,760
And the losing hell is not being involved.

1623
02:39:38,760 --> 02:39:40,760
And it's a pitence of a talk of a cause.

1624
02:39:40,760 --> 02:39:42,760
And it's not going to affect other things.

1625
02:39:42,760 --> 02:39:43,760
And anything.

1626
02:39:43,760 --> 02:39:44,760
And anything.

1627
02:39:44,760 --> 02:39:45,760
Council member.

1628
02:39:45,760 --> 02:39:48,760
You're not in favor of the comments being read.

1629
02:39:48,760 --> 02:39:50,760
That's what you're saying.

1630
02:39:50,760 --> 02:39:51,760
The.

1631
02:39:51,760 --> 02:39:52,760
Well.

1632
02:39:52,760 --> 02:39:54,760
We.

1633
02:39:54,760 --> 02:39:55,760
We.

1634
02:39:55,760 --> 02:39:56,760
We.

1635
02:39:56,760 --> 02:39:57,760
We.

1636
02:39:57,760 --> 02:39:58,760
We.

1637
02:39:58,760 --> 02:39:59,760
Um.

1638
02:39:59,760 --> 02:40:02,760
Council member.

1639
02:40:02,760 --> 02:40:03,760
Yeah.

1640
02:40:03,760 --> 02:40:06,760
I just wanted to piggyback on what.

1641
02:40:07,760 --> 02:40:08,760
Um.

1642
02:40:08,760 --> 02:40:09,760
Council member Hunt said earlier.

1643
02:40:09,760 --> 02:40:13,760
He was making a comparison between politicians and the residents of Lookin Hills.

1644
02:40:13,760 --> 02:40:15,760
And I think that's unfair.

1645
02:40:15,760 --> 02:40:16,760
Also, what.

1646
02:40:16,760 --> 02:40:19,760
Council member Wheeler said earlier is that.

1647
02:40:19,760 --> 02:40:20,760
Yes.

1648
02:40:20,760 --> 02:40:21,760
Um.

1649
02:40:21,760 --> 02:40:22,760
These comments were made.

1650
02:40:22,760 --> 02:40:25,760
But they were made before the presentation was heard.

1651
02:40:25,760 --> 02:40:28,760
And I believe there are two sides to every story.

1652
02:40:28,760 --> 02:40:30,760
And, you know, you can say that.

1653
02:40:30,760 --> 02:40:33,760
Oh, these are politicians just, you know, pandering for their money.

1654
02:40:33,760 --> 02:40:34,760
No.

1655
02:40:34,760 --> 02:40:35,760
It's way beyond that.

1656
02:40:35,760 --> 02:40:36,760
You said it's right.

1657
02:40:36,760 --> 02:40:37,760
We have right now.

1658
02:40:37,760 --> 02:40:38,760
Sacramento.

1659
02:40:38,760 --> 02:40:40,760
And they are breathing down our throats.

1660
02:40:40,760 --> 02:40:42,760
They want to force you.

1661
02:40:42,760 --> 02:40:46,760
To have apartments instead of your single family residents.

1662
02:40:46,760 --> 02:40:50,760
You worked hard all your life to get to where you are right now.

1663
02:40:50,760 --> 02:40:52,760
And Sacramento doesn't like that.

1664
02:40:52,760 --> 02:40:58,760
They want to make sure that they can force you to do what they want you to do.

1665
02:40:58,760 --> 02:41:03,760
We have a governor right now that says, I'm going to have a spine group that's going to come to

1666
02:41:03,760 --> 02:41:08,760
each city, each board of supervisors and each committee.

1667
02:41:08,760 --> 02:41:14,760
And basically say that you better do what we're telling you to do.

1668
02:41:14,760 --> 02:41:19,760
We have 1980 units in our six square miles city of 32,000 people.

1669
02:41:19,760 --> 02:41:23,760
That they're saying we have to implement in just a few years.

1670
02:41:23,760 --> 02:41:26,760
We have to either change some of our buildings.

1671
02:41:26,760 --> 02:41:29,760
We have to like literally repurpose them.

1672
02:41:29,760 --> 02:41:31,760
Or we have to have 80 use everywhere.

1673
02:41:31,760 --> 02:41:37,760
Or some of these places will actually become multi family units next door to somebody's house.

1674
02:41:37,760 --> 02:41:38,760
I'm sorry.

1675
02:41:38,760 --> 02:41:39,760
This is a very serious situation.

1676
02:41:39,760 --> 02:41:42,760
And I kind of take a sense when I hear it common.

1677
02:41:42,760 --> 02:41:44,760
I believe common about what's politics.

1678
02:41:44,760 --> 02:41:45,760
No.

1679
02:41:45,760 --> 02:41:46,760
This is not politics.

1680
02:41:46,760 --> 02:41:47,760
This is good business sense.

1681
02:41:47,760 --> 02:41:51,760
This is good sense that we as a council need to be considering.

1682
02:41:51,760 --> 02:41:56,760
And I also take a sense the fact that this is a 0.001% of our budget.

1683
02:41:56,760 --> 02:41:59,760
We have argued over many, many other things besides this.

1684
02:41:59,760 --> 02:42:01,760
This is a drop in the bucket people.

1685
02:42:01,760 --> 02:42:09,760
And I'm getting very frustrated because I feel like we're arguing over something that is extremely important for our city.

1686
02:42:09,760 --> 02:42:13,760
If we are not at the table, we are on the menu.

1687
02:42:13,760 --> 02:42:14,760
So those are my comments.

1688
02:42:14,760 --> 02:42:16,760
I feel very strongly about this.

1689
02:42:16,760 --> 02:42:20,760
And I understand that the.

1690
02:42:21,760 --> 02:42:32,760
The average Lagone Hills citizen is not going to be aware of all of the things that happen on a city council level.

1691
02:42:32,760 --> 02:42:37,760
And when I was elected in 2016, I had no idea what was awaiting me.

1692
02:42:37,760 --> 02:42:46,760
And the depth that I would be going is in terms of just the education and understanding everything.

1693
02:42:46,760 --> 02:42:52,760
And it is a very difficult thing to make these decisions in terms of balancing our budget and all of these things.

1694
02:42:52,760 --> 02:42:58,760
I would also probably ask Mr. Rosenfield to speak because I think there was a comment about how.

1695
02:42:58,760 --> 02:43:05,760
You know, we need to have more sheriffs and we need to have more people policing and I heard all those comments tonight.

1696
02:43:05,760 --> 02:43:07,760
And I absolutely think that's true.

1697
02:43:07,760 --> 02:43:11,760
We've had an increase in crime in the last year that's been terrible.

1698
02:43:11,760 --> 02:43:13,760
And I think we need to make an advantage of that.

1699
02:43:13,760 --> 02:43:14,760
Council member have to.

1700
02:43:14,760 --> 02:43:15,760
We're voting.

1701
02:43:15,760 --> 02:43:17,760
We're trying to discuss whether or not we're going to.

1702
02:43:17,760 --> 02:43:18,760
Okay.

1703
02:43:18,760 --> 02:43:19,760
And so.

1704
02:43:19,760 --> 02:43:20,760
And so there were.

1705
02:43:20,760 --> 02:43:22,760
And this was a public comment that was made.

1706
02:43:22,760 --> 02:43:25,760
So I'm actually responding to that public comment.

1707
02:43:25,760 --> 02:43:27,760
43% a lot of people don't know.

1708
02:43:27,760 --> 02:43:33,760
43% of our entire annual budget is spent on our sheriff protecting us.

1709
02:43:33,760 --> 02:43:35,760
We are.

1710
02:43:35,760 --> 02:43:45,760
I would say definitely devoted and dedicated to that as much as possible.

1711
02:43:45,760 --> 02:43:50,760
And we're hearing this, but this is something different and license plates readers, all these things.

1712
02:43:50,760 --> 02:43:54,760
These are definitely things to consider, but these all have different areas of the budget.

1713
02:43:54,760 --> 02:43:56,760
This is something that.

1714
02:43:56,760 --> 02:44:04,760
Our regional relationships are very important because that way we can make sure that we protect our city and we're protecting you.

1715
02:44:04,760 --> 02:44:06,760
Thank you.

1716
02:44:06,760 --> 02:44:07,760
Mayor.

1717
02:44:07,760 --> 02:44:16,760
I'll withhold my comments about the issue of restoring these memberships for when we're supposed to talk about those things.

1718
02:44:16,760 --> 02:44:22,760
Right now we're talking about whether or not we should read in the emails.

1719
02:44:22,760 --> 02:44:25,760
I read all of the emails.

1720
02:44:25,760 --> 02:44:26,760
They're not identical.

1721
02:44:26,760 --> 02:44:28,760
They are similar.

1722
02:44:28,760 --> 02:44:31,760
They're valuable to me.

1723
02:44:31,760 --> 02:44:40,760
But I think that if I think maybe what this discussion is done is it's shown light on that policy that maybe we should revisit that.

1724
02:44:40,760 --> 02:44:54,760
Maybe it doesn't give the residents a good enough voice, especially during COVID when they're only able to send an email and be and have it stated that they sent an email about this particular topic.

1725
02:44:54,760 --> 02:44:56,760
And I think it.

1726
02:44:56,760 --> 02:44:58,760
It may short change.

1727
02:44:58,760 --> 02:45:00,760
They're freedom of speech.

1728
02:45:00,000 --> 02:45:26,000
And I think that that is a good topic for future consideration. I don't think it would be appropriate for us to, at this time, read those in, because we either support it, or reject it, as far as the message goes, or because we feel strongly about this issue, or even because there's a greater number of them, that means that we should read them all.

1729
02:45:26,000 --> 02:45:38,000
I just think that this has shown light on something that we should, everyone knew the rules of what was going to happen if they were to take that route and send an email, that that's how it would be treated.

1730
02:45:38,000 --> 02:45:47,000
I don't know if it would be even fair to the other side, who maybe didn't send it knowing that it wouldn't be read in public.

1731
02:45:47,000 --> 02:46:07,000
So I think that we just have to, I just think that it's something that we should address as a topic to discuss whether that's a good policy, but I think it would be inappropriate to just all of a sudden decide to treat these ones differently, and then we have over the past few months.

1732
02:46:07,000 --> 02:46:17,000
I don't know if I can sort of sort of sort of in between, so judge whether it applies to the email or the other thing.

1733
02:46:17,000 --> 02:46:30,000
I get I want to emphasize that because we're spending this money, just not negate all the things that are mentioned I need to be done, and I personal help all of you that comment on things that need to fix in getting them fixed.

1734
02:46:30,000 --> 02:46:36,000
But we passed the thing tonight on the 3-8, the one that I pulled, to get a better education for you, but it ended on it.

1735
02:46:36,000 --> 02:46:45,000
In that 3-8, it was in the consent calendar, which means that they passed these things with, you just sort of pass them in bulk, you don't talk about me, you don't discuss them.

1736
02:46:45,000 --> 02:46:47,000
That is just do it real quick.

1737
02:46:47,000 --> 02:46:51,000
The increase in 3-8 was approximately a quarter of a million dollars.

1738
02:46:51,000 --> 02:46:57,000
We passed that, you know, it's just off the cup, you know, in that consent calendar.

1739
02:46:57,000 --> 02:47:00,000
This is only 28,000 dollars max, and we're getting some discounts.

1740
02:47:00,000 --> 02:47:02,000
I haven't that up all the numbers.

1741
02:47:02,000 --> 02:47:03,000
It's about the email.

1742
02:47:03,000 --> 02:47:04,000
Sorry.

1743
02:47:04,000 --> 02:47:06,000
I said, I don't know if it's about the email.

1744
02:47:06,000 --> 02:47:07,000
It's about the emails right now.

1745
02:47:07,000 --> 02:47:08,000
That's the motion on the table.

1746
02:47:08,000 --> 02:47:09,000
Well.

1747
02:47:09,000 --> 02:47:10,000
Okay.

1748
02:47:10,000 --> 02:47:12,000
We can talk about that when we talk about that.

1749
02:47:12,000 --> 02:47:13,000
Okay.

1750
02:47:16,000 --> 02:47:18,000
I say council member.

1751
02:47:18,000 --> 02:47:19,000
Hi.

1752
02:47:19,000 --> 02:47:21,000
We need to talk about that.

1753
02:47:21,000 --> 02:47:22,000
This is good to do this.

1754
02:47:22,000 --> 02:47:24,000
Did you pull it?

1755
02:47:24,000 --> 02:47:25,000
No.

1756
02:47:25,000 --> 02:47:26,000
I.

1757
02:47:26,000 --> 02:47:27,000
So.

1758
02:47:27,000 --> 02:47:31,000
This is my client's point for this issue on the emails.

1759
02:47:31,000 --> 02:47:33,000
So, we need to be consistent.

1760
02:47:33,000 --> 02:47:35,000
Like the mirror point it out.

1761
02:47:40,000 --> 02:47:42,000
Like the mirror because I'll point it out.

1762
02:47:42,000 --> 02:47:45,000
We haven't had this many public comments on this item.

1763
02:47:45,000 --> 02:47:47,000
I don't know if it's fine.

1764
02:47:48,000 --> 02:47:50,000
You know, the arguments on the other side.

1765
02:47:50,000 --> 02:47:53,000
Well, you know, they had a chance to read.

1766
02:47:53,000 --> 02:47:56,000
Well, they had a chance to read everything that was in the staff report on this thing too.

1767
02:47:56,000 --> 02:48:00,000
The only people whose voice isn't being heard here in this public hearing.

1768
02:48:00,000 --> 02:48:02,000
There's people live in this community.

1769
02:48:02,000 --> 02:48:03,000
And I'm sick.

1770
02:48:03,000 --> 02:48:05,000
And that's who we're here to represent.

1771
02:48:05,000 --> 02:48:06,000
Their voice is on the camera.

1772
02:48:06,000 --> 02:48:07,000
Council member Hunt.

1773
02:48:07,000 --> 02:48:11,000
There are a number of residents who are listening to this meeting.

1774
02:48:11,000 --> 02:48:13,000
Can you please go to this next.

1775
02:48:14,000 --> 02:48:17,000
Mike, Mike, please.

1776
02:48:17,000 --> 02:48:19,000
It is very important.

1777
02:48:19,000 --> 02:48:23,000
My only point is that we're going to have a fair hearing on this thing.

1778
02:48:23,000 --> 02:48:26,000
Everybody's opinion should be heard.

1779
02:48:26,000 --> 02:48:34,000
The only people who haven't been heard are the people live in this community that took the time to submit these comments on this issue.

1780
02:48:34,000 --> 02:48:39,000
And I'll stop with that.

1781
02:48:39,000 --> 02:48:41,000
Thank you.

1782
02:48:41,000 --> 02:48:43,000
All right.

1783
02:48:43,000 --> 02:48:51,000
Are we have we concluded our discussion regarding whether or not to conclude it this discussion.

1784
02:48:51,000 --> 02:48:53,000
And I have.

1785
02:48:53,000 --> 02:49:04,000
The item has been moved to read the public comments for this item moved by council member Hunt and seconded by me.

1786
02:49:04,000 --> 02:49:06,000
All those in favor.

1787
02:49:06,000 --> 02:49:07,000
Say aye.

1788
02:49:07,000 --> 02:49:10,000
Aye.

1789
02:49:10,000 --> 02:49:11,000
All those opposed.

1790
02:49:11,000 --> 02:49:12,000
Say now.

1791
02:49:12,000 --> 02:49:13,000
Is there a roll call?

1792
02:49:13,000 --> 02:49:14,000
Yeah.

1793
02:49:14,000 --> 02:49:16,000
Is there a roll call?

1794
02:49:16,000 --> 02:49:17,000
Yeah.

1795
02:49:17,000 --> 02:49:18,000
Because you know it's exploit.

1796
02:49:18,000 --> 02:49:20,000
You have been through that for a while.

1797
02:49:20,000 --> 02:49:21,000
Okay.

1798
02:49:21,000 --> 02:49:23,000
Maybe not.

1799
02:49:23,000 --> 02:49:24,000
Madam clerk.

1800
02:49:24,000 --> 02:49:26,000
Maybe please have a roll call.

1801
02:49:26,000 --> 02:49:27,000
There.

1802
02:49:27,000 --> 02:49:28,000
Paisal.

1803
02:49:28,000 --> 02:49:29,000
Aye.

1804
02:49:29,000 --> 02:49:31,000
Council member Wheeler.

1805
02:49:31,000 --> 02:49:32,000
Aye.

1806
02:49:32,000 --> 02:49:33,000
What is that?

1807
02:49:33,000 --> 02:49:34,000
What is that?

1808
02:49:34,000 --> 02:49:35,000
What is that?

1809
02:49:35,000 --> 02:49:38,000
What is that?

1810
02:49:38,000 --> 02:49:39,000
Council member Hunt.

1811
02:49:40,000 --> 02:49:41,000
Aye.

1812
02:49:41,000 --> 02:49:42,000
Council member Heft.

1813
02:49:42,000 --> 02:49:43,000
No.

1814
02:49:43,000 --> 02:49:45,000
Mayor Potem Segerick.

1815
02:49:45,000 --> 02:49:47,000
No.

1816
02:49:47,000 --> 02:49:50,000
Council member Wheeler.

1817
02:49:50,000 --> 02:49:57,000
That motion fails with mayor Paisal and Council member Hunt voting yes.

1818
02:49:57,000 --> 02:50:00,000
And Mayor Potem Segerick and Council members Hunt Heft.

1819
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:01,000
Excuse me.

1820
02:50:01,000 --> 02:50:03,000
And Wheeler voting no.

1821
02:50:03,000 --> 02:50:05,000
Thank you.

1822
02:50:06,000 --> 02:50:15,000
So now is the time for us to have a discussion regarding this item.

1823
02:50:15,000 --> 02:50:21,000
And I will open the floor to Council members mayer.

1824
02:50:21,000 --> 02:50:26,000
I would like to comment on this item.

1825
02:50:26,000 --> 02:50:27,000
I will.

1826
02:50:27,000 --> 02:50:28,000
Okay.

1827
02:50:28,000 --> 02:50:30,000
Any other comments?

1828
02:50:30,000 --> 02:50:33,000
Council member Hunt.

1829
02:50:33,000 --> 02:50:34,000
I'll comment.

1830
02:50:34,000 --> 02:50:35,000
So.

1831
02:50:35,000 --> 02:50:37,000
We've heard a lot of discussion here tonight.

1832
02:50:37,000 --> 02:50:38,000
I want to say for us that foremost.

1833
02:50:38,000 --> 02:50:40,000
I don't have any.

1834
02:50:40,000 --> 02:50:43,000
Any bias or problem with these type programs.

1835
02:50:43,000 --> 02:50:46,000
I'm sure they're great in the right circumstance.

1836
02:50:46,000 --> 02:50:50,000
What I have a problem with is how we got here to begin with.

1837
02:50:50,000 --> 02:50:54,000
Bad policy is bad politics and that's how we got here.

1838
02:50:54,000 --> 02:50:57,000
We heard Councilman Haft earlier today.

1839
02:50:58,000 --> 02:51:03,000
I want to say a lot about how some things are essential.

1840
02:51:03,000 --> 02:51:05,000
And some things should be cut.

1841
02:51:05,000 --> 02:51:09,000
The reason we're in this position is because last year.

1842
02:51:09,000 --> 02:51:15,000
Council member Haft wanted to divert funds that were not available to increase the

1843
02:51:15,000 --> 02:51:17,000
allotment for Christmas lights.

1844
02:51:17,000 --> 02:51:22,000
And a time that money was so scarce in the city that we were laying people off.

1845
02:51:22,000 --> 02:51:28,000
And that that $30,000 was so consequential that they made a decision.

1846
02:51:28,000 --> 02:51:34,000
A five-old decision to cancel those memberships.

1847
02:51:34,000 --> 02:51:39,000
And once you got that, she brings it right back and is trying to undo it.

1848
02:51:39,000 --> 02:51:41,000
Actions have consequences.

1849
02:51:41,000 --> 02:51:43,000
We made a commitment here.

1850
02:51:43,000 --> 02:51:49,000
And the old council made a commitment to look out for this community.

1851
02:51:49,000 --> 02:51:50,000
Okay.

1852
02:51:50,000 --> 02:51:52,000
And that's what we should be doing.

1853
02:51:52,000 --> 02:51:55,000
There's no reason to revisit this at this time.

1854
02:51:55,000 --> 02:52:01,000
Like our city manager said, we should be visiting revisiting this at the budget time.

1855
02:52:01,000 --> 02:52:02,000
It was a five-old vote.

1856
02:52:02,000 --> 02:52:04,000
It's inappropriate.

1857
02:52:04,000 --> 02:52:06,000
Now let's talk about what's going on in this city.

1858
02:52:06,000 --> 02:52:12,000
I just got our city manager as nice enough to give us updates on a weekly basis.

1859
02:52:12,000 --> 02:52:18,000
And he just talked about a shade structure removal in the north and in the city

1860
02:52:18,000 --> 02:52:23,000
that has become dilapidated given its age, water damage, and turn my damage.

1861
02:52:23,000 --> 02:52:26,000
I wonder what $30,000 would have done to repair that.

1862
02:52:26,000 --> 02:52:29,000
You know what's going to be left there now for our residents.

1863
02:52:29,000 --> 02:52:32,000
A concrete pad, a bench, and a trash can.

1864
02:52:32,000 --> 02:52:34,000
Because that thing's going to be torn down.

1865
02:52:34,000 --> 02:52:37,000
We haven't had a crime prevention specialist in the city.

1866
02:52:37,000 --> 02:52:40,000
And almost a year, I believe.

1867
02:52:40,000 --> 02:52:42,000
We're down on police services.

1868
02:52:42,000 --> 02:52:47,000
You just heard a lot of people come in here and talk about crime in their neighborhoods.

1869
02:52:47,000 --> 02:52:49,000
There's problems in their communities.

1870
02:52:49,000 --> 02:52:53,000
We're not putting enough people on the street to take care of those problems.

1871
02:52:53,000 --> 02:52:54,000
Our parks are a mess.

1872
02:52:54,000 --> 02:52:56,000
We're not receding our parks.

1873
02:52:56,000 --> 02:52:59,000
Our park fences are resting.

1874
02:52:59,000 --> 02:53:05,000
You know, when I was on, when I was fortunate enough to be on the parks and wrecks commission 20 years ago,

1875
02:53:05,000 --> 02:53:07,000
we were revitalizing those parks.

1876
02:53:07,000 --> 02:53:16,000
We don't even have the money to treat the, I don't know what stuff called the rubber playground material that protect kids.

1877
02:53:16,000 --> 02:53:19,000
So they're, they're all getting damaged.

1878
02:53:19,000 --> 02:53:20,000
They're becoming ruined.

1879
02:53:20,000 --> 02:53:24,000
You know, we heard, here, somebody referred to this as a pittance.

1880
02:53:24,000 --> 02:53:27,000
This is $30,000 of taxpayer money.

1881
02:53:27,000 --> 02:53:28,000
Tax payer money.

1882
02:53:28,000 --> 02:53:30,000
That's what it is.

1883
02:53:30,000 --> 02:53:32,000
It should be going to the people in this community.

1884
02:53:32,000 --> 02:53:38,000
We shouldn't be pulling things out of budgets mid year and putting them to a pet projects.

1885
02:53:38,000 --> 02:53:45,000
And then when we get what we want, turning around and putting the pressure on everybody else.

1886
02:53:45,000 --> 02:53:49,000
To, to reinstate those programs.

1887
02:53:49,000 --> 02:53:53,000
It's, it's, it's bad policy and no offense.

1888
02:53:53,000 --> 02:53:58,000
But at this time, we don't need training in networking and, and, and, uh,

1889
02:53:58,000 --> 02:54:03,000
Ancillary boards to make our politicians look good throughout this county.

1890
02:54:03,000 --> 02:54:07,000
What we need is the services for this community.

1891
02:54:07,000 --> 02:54:09,000
Police to protect our streets.

1892
02:54:09,000 --> 02:54:16,000
Man, one of the things that we put on hold here is, uh, is cameras in license plate readers.

1893
02:54:16,000 --> 02:54:19,000
You hear about these mailbox laughs and these types of things.

1894
02:54:19,000 --> 02:54:26,000
We heard somebody talk, uh, today about the, I think, was, uh, council member half talk about the five freeway access.

1895
02:54:26,000 --> 02:54:29,000
We should have license plate readers at those access.

1896
02:54:29,000 --> 02:54:31,000
So we know who comes in out of this city.

1897
02:54:31,000 --> 02:54:34,000
I bet we could do that for pretty close to $30,000.

1898
02:54:34,000 --> 02:54:38,000
I mean, you know, if you make a bad decision,

1899
02:54:39,000 --> 02:54:41,000
you got to live with the consequences.

1900
02:54:41,000 --> 02:54:46,000
This council made a decision, uh, for a period of time, and they should stick with it.

1901
02:54:46,000 --> 02:54:52,000
And we should be diverting any funds we have to getting our facilities back up and running,

1902
02:54:52,000 --> 02:54:56,000
funding our police and taking care of this community.

1903
02:54:56,000 --> 02:55:00,000
And then when we have the time and the money and the resources down the road,

1904
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:02,000
we can do these things.

1905
02:55:02,000 --> 02:55:04,000
But now is not the time.

1906
02:55:04,000 --> 02:55:05,000
Thank you.

1907
02:55:05,000 --> 02:55:07,000
Any other comments?

1908
02:55:08,000 --> 02:55:09,000
Yes.

1909
02:55:09,000 --> 02:55:12,000
I definitely want to respond to that.

1910
02:55:12,000 --> 02:55:16,000
On July 7th last year, we had a special meeting.

1911
02:55:16,000 --> 02:55:21,000
And that special meeting was specifically to consider whether we were going to

1912
02:55:21,000 --> 02:55:27,000
contract with the vendor who did our Christmas lights in 2019 again.

1913
02:55:27,000 --> 02:55:32,000
And one of the things we needed to consider was, was that something important for a city.

1914
02:55:32,000 --> 02:55:37,000
And I would beg to differ with my colleague, Mr Hunt.

1915
02:55:37,000 --> 02:55:41,000
One of the things said tonight by one of the public speakers was,

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well, you know, what do we see?

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What do we get out of this?

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You can go to Mission Viejo.

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You can go to Lagoon and Igale.

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You can go to Irvine.

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And you will see during Christmas time.

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You will see holiday lights.

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You will see Christmas lights.

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You will see beautiful ornaments.

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And we went through hell last year.

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As mayor seemed like I was constantly trying to do damage control.

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All the things that were happening to our city and the things that I was fighting for.

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And one of the reasons that I think that those lights are vital is because we had an increase in crime that was talked about.

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We had an increase in depression.

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Among our teenagers, we had an increase in drug use and alcohol abuse and domestic violence.

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And frankly, even suicide.

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And to be able to say to the residents of Lagoon and Hills.

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Well, sorry, we're just going to cancel Christmas too.

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That didn't seem like a good way to be able to give back to them because people needed a little bit of hope.

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People needed a little bit of joy.

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And to take that away, which this item was budgeted.

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It had been budgeted.

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And this was something that at the time mayor pretend count came up with saying we need to sacrifice something.

1939
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And out of the blue decided, hey, let's sacrifice these memberships that were not part as Mr. Rosenfeld said earlier of the tier one cuts that were proposed.

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They obviously staff thought.

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Enough of them that they did not put them in those cuts.

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And I just want to say that obviously we're going to have to agree to disagree here.

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But I stand by that decision.

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I do not believe it was a bad decision.

1945
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I think when it comes down to it, you don't see a lot of things that go on in terms of our council decisions.

1946
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But you do see something that you can bring your family to that you can be happy.

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Maybe with your masks on or whatever.

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But you've just something that gave you a little bit of joy in this awful year that we had in 2020.

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Those are my comments.

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Thank you.

1951
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I would like to, I would like to provide a PowerPoint presentation.

1952
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So before I start the PowerPoint presentation, I just want everyone to know that I have spent countless hours since I've been on the city council driving around our city.

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I go to every single park multiple times a year.

1954
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People wave at me and know who I am.

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I drive around and I listen.

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I listen to the constituents.

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I take my job seriously as I did on an HOA board.

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And in the community.

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And I have been told for two years.

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We can't do this.

1961
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We can't do this.

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We can't do that.

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Behind the scenes.

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I receive comments and comments.

1965
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And I'm always communicating to residents.

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We can't do this.

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But we can do the holiday lights.

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And I understand the importance of it.

1969
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But I also understand when you're telling residents that our city is is primary.

1970
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When you're telling residents who think why don't we have the readers yet.

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We've asked for readers.

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And you're talking to a new number of people.

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People think, hey, I'll help you respond for it.

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Let's try and get this in.

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For me to have to continuously communicate to residents.

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And then to see that the city council would like to reintroduce.

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Now I understand these memberships can be valuable.

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I do understand that.

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But right now we're triaging.

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We have a bleeding area.

1981
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And I will say this.

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When I lived in Arizona.

1983
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There were I was woken up at three o'clock in the morning.

1984
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To 20 people are surrounding my house.

1985
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And I couldn't get the cops over.

1986
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The fear that I encountered at that moment with my house being surrounded by people was immense.

1987
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And I have never felt that until last week.

1988
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week. When a number of people casing my house and the similar signs have happened, we have career criminals

1989
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that were facing in Sacramento right now. Career criminals stalking our properties. My friends just

1990
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had $68,000 stolen from their house. They were stalked for two weeks. This stuff is happening

1991
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currently right now. This is something that's our fiduciary duty, and I mentioned to myself I will

1992
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never live in a city with that sort of crime, and I'm feeling that way right now. For me to feel that way.

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So I will move to the PowerPoint presentation.

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So I don't have the clicker, however this is the introduction page. Thank you.

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So I want to provide everyone with a brief history. The City of Laguna Hills was already facing a

1996
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tremendous loss of revenue prior to COVID-19 from the loss of tax revenue from the former Laguna

1997
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Hills Mall. It's approximately 1.5 million already. Our city was repeating before COVID-19.

1998
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We already went through a series of cuts. I witnessed inside the back room our city manager

1999
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talking to each person saying how are you going to cut. And thank God we did that because we would

2000
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be an enormous trouble at this time. Thank God we had great city managers and we continue to have a great

2001
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city manager who think about budgets. Then the world was hit by the pandemic of epic proportions COVID-19.

2002
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Causing the city council to have various meetings to combat revenue losses. The money was just flying out

2003
03:01:57,520 --> 03:02:05,280
but we were already hit. We were already under. We were already putting projects on hold. We were putting

2004
03:02:05,280 --> 03:02:11,280
millions of dollars on hold. In order to save money staff provided the option to cancel the holiday

2005
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light display and the city council had a special meeting, a special meeting to discuss this.

2006
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The staff had recommended. And so if you look on the option to cancel the 2020 holiday light display

2007
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and not execute the agreement with T.K.C. The staff's recommendation is that the city council

2008
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cancelled the light display to help dampen the negative financial impacts of COVID-19. The staff

2009
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anticipates a significant shortfall in revenue of over $2 million. Staff has analyzed

2010
03:02:47,760 --> 03:02:53,840
operating expenditures to find savings within the budget to help offset the deficit in revenues.

2011
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The cancellation of the holiday light display was a proposed tier one cut. This cut. It was significant.

2012
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The budget for the holiday decoration plan was $100,000. The total cost of it was

2013
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$99,000. So I'm looking at this and I'm thinking to myself we have no money,

2014
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but how do we provide the cheer? The discussion that council members had at that time

2015
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regarding the $2 million loss of revenue prior. We furloughed 30 or so employees. We're

2016
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halting everything, halting projects, halting stuff, everything went to a screeching halt in our city.

2017
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And we had many discussions on how we were going to handle the budgets.

2018
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So the council who were supporting the holiday light competition, they were excuse me, the holiday

2019
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light. They knew that people needed cheer at the time as council member have mentioned.

2020
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And it was mentioned. I went to the meeting. I rewinded the meeting. I went back to it to listen to it.

2021
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And if you want we can listen to that meeting when we had that discussion. Residents

2022
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were appreciated the holiday light so it made sense. It was something that the community wanted.

2023
03:04:22,320 --> 03:04:27,840
Just as now the community is wanting something else. Council members should, so I mentioned,

2024
03:04:27,840 --> 03:04:33,120
council members should sacrifice. Because I thought, okay, let's provide some cheer. Let's

2025
03:04:33,120 --> 03:04:38,480
provide something to the residents. But let's show the residents that if we're going to provide this,

2026
03:04:38,480 --> 03:04:43,520
we're going to give something up, offset the costs. It only makes sense to offset costs.

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So the motion was made to move options to in the staff report, as well as include a one-year

2028
03:04:56,720 --> 03:05:03,200
membership suspension one year. We're just saying one year during COVID guys we need a break. We're hit.

2029
03:05:04,080 --> 03:05:10,800
We have bleed, we have a lot of problems with inner city. And it was for Skag, O'Cog, ACC,

2030
03:05:10,800 --> 03:05:16,320
Lee of Cities. It was just a one-filth swoop. Just to say, okay, we'll save some money to pay for the lights.

2031
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That was our sacrifice to pay for the lights. At the time council member,

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Frederick Responded, or it's used me, he provided the motion, and it was seconded by myself.

2033
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And the motion was passed unanimously. Everyone except for council member Hunt voted on this to put it on

2034
03:05:38,720 --> 03:05:47,200
hold. So right now, council member Heft has brought the options to discuss, notwithstanding,

2035
03:05:47,200 --> 03:05:55,680
the vote was a five of a vote, and it hasn't been a year yet. It hasn't been a year yet. Nothing is changed.

2036
03:05:55,680 --> 03:06:01,920
We're still in COVID-19. We still have the emergency order today. Last I checked it's still on the agenda.

2037
03:06:02,320 --> 03:06:11,040
Revenue's have not improved. They're actually going to get worse. The TOT. I mean, you see that there are companies

2038
03:06:11,680 --> 03:06:17,280
going into bankruptcy right now. Big hotel companies. TOT is going to go extremely low.

2039
03:06:18,160 --> 03:06:24,320
So budget cuts are still significant. There's no equilibrium in the city. We need equal

2040
03:06:24,400 --> 03:06:31,600
livery in our budgets to function. The money has already been spent on the holiday likes to say

2041
03:06:31,600 --> 03:06:37,360
display. It has already been spent. So if it's already been spent, we should be focusing on the residents.

2042
03:06:38,240 --> 03:06:43,280
I mean, this is something where we need to have the residents feel safe in our community. They're not

2043
03:06:43,280 --> 03:06:50,480
feeling safe, and I know how they're feeling. Some changes, which happened since COVID-19,

2044
03:06:50,480 --> 03:06:57,440
the city council encountered a devastating event, an avoidable event, which costs or city,

2045
03:06:58,960 --> 03:07:07,680
$300,000 if not more. The city is encountering career criminals, trying, and our success one

2046
03:07:07,680 --> 03:07:16,000
committing crimes. Now more than ever, the city needs to focus on the needs of the community. Now,

2047
03:07:16,080 --> 03:07:21,840
I mentioned fiduciary duty. I don't know if it's been in any training at any ACCOC event,

2048
03:07:21,840 --> 03:07:27,840
or any League of Cities event. A fiduciary is a person who holds a legal or ethical relationship

2049
03:07:27,840 --> 03:07:33,680
of trust with one or more other parties or person or group of persons. Typically a fiduciary

2050
03:07:33,680 --> 03:07:39,280
predominantly takes care of money. That's what we do. We currently take care of money or other assets

2051
03:07:39,360 --> 03:07:48,400
for another person which is the people. A fiduciary duty is the highest standard of care in equity,

2052
03:07:48,400 --> 03:07:55,360
or law. A fiduciary is expected to be extremely loyal to the person of whom he owes the duty.

2053
03:07:56,960 --> 03:08:02,320
Such that there must be no conflict of duty between fiduciary, no conflict,

2054
03:08:02,800 --> 03:08:08,560
and principle, and fiduciary must not profit from their position as a fiduciary.

2055
03:08:10,400 --> 03:08:14,640
The city, this city council of Laguna Hills has been impacted by the loss of the mall,

2056
03:08:15,280 --> 03:08:20,960
in addition to COVID. We are more of a financial crisis than any other city.

2057
03:08:23,680 --> 03:08:30,800
It is absolutely, it's terrible. It is our duty as council members to take our fiduciary duty seriously.

2058
03:08:30,800 --> 03:08:37,920
We need to focus on finite resources. Safety is of utmost importance to us. The community needs

2059
03:08:37,920 --> 03:08:44,080
strategic measures to combat the crime, the potential crimes within our city, other cities,

2060
03:08:44,080 --> 03:08:49,360
are taking action. Stanton is placing license plate readers, other cities Laguna Beach,

2061
03:08:49,360 --> 03:08:55,680
they're all savvy and up and saying, how do we combat this crime? And it's combative, very affordable

2062
03:08:56,000 --> 03:09:04,400
cost. This is something we need to have a discussion about. They're seeing quite, they're seeing

2063
03:09:04,400 --> 03:09:10,880
a positive reaction in the city of Stanton, 25 stolen cars were recovered.

2064
03:09:11,840 --> 03:09:20,400
Then you also have the fact that it has solved crimes. It's an O.C. register article. They're fundamental.

2065
03:09:20,400 --> 03:09:25,280
And now the criminals are coming into other cities which we're dealing with the outpour of.

2066
03:09:26,000 --> 03:09:32,720
The maintenance, the city has a significant areas that have been deferred. Assets are not being

2067
03:09:32,720 --> 03:09:43,920
placed, replaced as council member Hunsett. And why we have a, we pay for a lobbyist. We actually pay

2068
03:09:43,920 --> 03:09:49,600
for a lobbyist. That's something that was never mentioned in all these discussions. We have our own

2069
03:09:49,600 --> 03:09:55,200
lobbyist that goes to Sacramento and provides us the legislation, provides us what we need to do,

2070
03:09:55,200 --> 03:10:03,200
and we can contact them at any time. We have a lobbyist. Unfortunately, I mean, these are the discussions

2071
03:10:03,200 --> 03:10:08,400
that I didn't want to have at this time, but I feel compelled that we need to now have it in public.

2072
03:10:08,960 --> 03:10:14,000
These are the things I've had to say privately. Do everything privately. I don't want to be talking

2073
03:10:14,320 --> 03:10:19,200
about how we don't have the kind of resources. I don't want to have these discussions. I love our

2074
03:10:19,200 --> 03:10:27,200
city. I love Laguna Hills. And so now is the time that we need to focus on the needs of our residents

2075
03:10:28,080 --> 03:10:35,680
and spend our finite resources and focus on the city of Laguna Hills needs first. So that I, so

2076
03:10:35,680 --> 03:10:45,680
with that, I will open the floor to other council member discussions. Council member Hun, or you

2077
03:10:45,680 --> 03:10:51,760
have you? Well, I would say one other thing, you know, we heard earlier what other cities did with the

2078
03:10:51,760 --> 03:11:00,960
Christmas lights and so on. But one thing that has always made Laguna Hills unique is that they did

2079
03:11:01,040 --> 03:11:05,120
things differently. You know, when every city was raising their retirement rates up,

2080
03:11:06,720 --> 03:11:13,600
that ended in this immabitable pension crisis, this city is undergoing or the state is undergoing,

2081
03:11:13,600 --> 03:11:21,840
Laguna Hills didn't do that. They restructured their retirements so that they could avoid that problem.

2082
03:11:21,840 --> 03:11:27,440
And as a result, we don't have very much unfunded pension liability. And that's what I'm saying.

2083
03:11:27,840 --> 03:11:34,720
We, there was a decision made by this council to cover funds that were moved from one area to another

2084
03:11:35,280 --> 03:11:43,920
mid budget. We should honor that because it was done to make sure that we didn't have a short fall.

2085
03:11:43,920 --> 03:11:48,720
There's no reason for this thing to come up right now. Certainly, I'm not with all the problems we have.

2086
03:11:48,720 --> 03:11:54,560
It can wait until the budget process, that's the appropriate place for it. And I think we need to

2087
03:11:55,360 --> 03:12:02,160
honor our commitments and think about this city first, like Mayor Pazel said.

2088
03:12:04,160 --> 03:12:11,520
Thank you, council member. Yes. I actually took the time to watch the meeting as well.

2089
03:12:12,160 --> 03:12:16,000
I went back, I think it was about an hour long discussion going back and forth.

2090
03:12:16,000 --> 03:12:24,000
And when, at the time, Mayor Pretem Pazel brought up the possibility of

2091
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jettisoning our memberships with these regional organizations, no, I wasn't in for that.

2092
03:12:31,040 --> 03:12:38,880
But, at the same time, I wanted to show a united front. And I knew that it was very important to me.

2093
03:12:38,880 --> 03:12:43,280
And I would think to the residents of the city to be able to have something beautiful in their city,

2094
03:12:43,280 --> 03:12:47,040
especially in a time like this. I think that's one of the ways we give back.

2095
03:12:47,040 --> 03:12:52,080
I think that is how the tax dollars actually do really benefit a city as well.

2096
03:12:53,760 --> 03:13:00,240
And I did reluctantly vote. I guess you could say I fell on my proverbial sword

2097
03:13:01,200 --> 03:13:06,800
because I didn't expect to have strings attached to something like this that was important.

2098
03:13:07,680 --> 03:13:12,160
And the council did vote to fund the Christmas lights.

2099
03:13:12,800 --> 03:13:17,520
But the reason we call something emotion for reconsideration is because it exists.

2100
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There is emotion for reconsideration in parliamentary procedure.

2101
03:13:22,400 --> 03:13:31,520
And it is something that can be brought up again. And I have planned to bring this up again because I think

2102
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it's important that we make it decision as a city. And things have changed.

2103
03:13:36,000 --> 03:13:40,960
Some of the things that have changed is that we had, like I mentioned, in my presentation,

2104
03:13:40,960 --> 03:13:49,520
I don't want to be a dead horse, but COVID obviously has been really tough on us as a city.

2105
03:13:49,680 --> 03:13:51,680
Excuse me.

2106
03:13:54,480 --> 03:13:59,440
Rina, housing. We need these relationships. I think it's important.

2107
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And no, I will say that I do believe it's a small amount in terms of our entire budget.

2108
03:14:04,240 --> 03:14:11,760
We do have funds that we can expend. The way the mayor talks about our city, it sounds like we're just working

2109
03:14:11,760 --> 03:14:21,600
into the red and we can't afford a donut. No, we can't. And we have to be sensible in terms of

2110
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how we make our decisions to spend money. But at the same time, this is such a small amount in terms of

2111
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everything else. And I will emphasize that. It's a small amount. I did the math. It's $28,000 for

2112
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four memberships out of a $22 million annual budget. It's a 0.001. Like my fellow councilman

2113
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Wheeler said, we just voted on something else, didn't even blink an eye. And it seems like this one is,

2114
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I don't know what it is, but I'm trying to understand that.

2115
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Also, I need to make a point. It's been made several times. We laid off people. We laid off people. They didn't have a job because there was no job to do. So it wasn't like we said, oh, we're just going to go ahead and lay you all off. And you're not going to have a job and we just made this decision. No, there was this community center was shut down because of COVID. There were no positions. And so as far as I'm concerned, that's not a viable argument. The other thing I would say, and I've said it before, we're not an island.

2116
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The state was made by the mayor that we're in the worst position of a city of anybody, please. We're one in 34 cities. There are cities that are hurting. That's how I, you know, check Disneyland hasn't been open for about a year. That's killing Anaheim.

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This is real. All of us are in this fight. And this is not just about our city.

2118
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The license fee was something that was mentioned. I am absolutely in favor of that. I think that would be excellent. The license plate readers rather.

2119
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That was something that was mentioned at a budget meeting. I think two years ago, and it was something we were going to move forward on and certain things got put on hold. But when it comes to safety, absolutely.

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I would be your advocate and say, we do need to protect, you know, you from the car breakings and from the, the mailboxes being broken into and just the theft and the pity crime and all these things absolutely.

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This is, to me, this is a non-secret or they don't go together because one is completely separate from the other. One has to do with protecting you in a different way. And that has to do with what we've been saying all night long.

2122
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Sacramento is not your friend. They want to force things down your throat, whether you like it or not. Just look at S.B. 1383, isn't that going to be delightful?

2123
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We're now, we've got people inspecting our garbage coming up. I mean, this is a real situation and I can't emphasize enough how important it is to have these relationships when it comes to the fight that we are in,

2124
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in the South County City. My mother taught me the thing in a long time ago and that was you never want to be penny-wise and pound-full-ish.

2125
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And I believe from the bottom of my heart, that's exactly what this is if we do not pass this tonight. Thank you.

2126
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Thank you.

2127
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We took a little bit and it's been mentioned many times it was five o'clock to delay it.

2128
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There has been a delay. We were delaying to see what the impacts of COVID were going to do and think like that.

2129
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So this isn't appropriate time to reconsider. It was a long time ago. That's what I agreed to put it on hold. It was not even on the original Tier 1 cuts that I understand.

2130
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It was recommended to keep my staff.

2131
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Let me exaggerate for a second. In getting rid of representation of these organizations, it was mentioned sacrifice, which I think is a total misnomer.

2132
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If you don't sacrifice position on these boards and things, you'd go to these boards to help the city.

2133
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So that's a total mischaracterization. Let me exaggerate.

2134
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Back in these organizations, somebody can't be saying, okay, we're not going to send our members to Congress because the cost is too much to put on housing and pay their perdiands and all the expense of the good of Congress.

2135
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There's enough people in Washington to say, here are the things. We'll just stay home and we'll use that money to go and hire another policeman.

2136
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I hope you understand the, you know, that doesn't work. But in addition to a total misdirection is being implied that we're taking this 30,000, 20,000 dollars, and we're going to sacrifice roads and fixing street lights and hiring more police and taking care of the theft and the problem with that.

2137
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It's a total misdirection. We're not going to ignore that.

2138
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We're going to take that seriously and we're going to help out in those situations too. We're just saying, we need some representation in a Congress to have our words brought out and spoken.

2139
03:19:08,000 --> 03:19:13,000
The two have nothing to do with each other.

2140
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Mr. President, sit joint.

2141
03:19:17,000 --> 03:19:27,000
Well, this is a tough one for me. On one hand, I completely understand what council member Hunt has brought out about.

2142
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You know, we've made a decision. We made a decision on this one and I hate to establish any sort of a precedent that, you know, whenever there's a vote that doesn't go away that somebody wants it or that a couple people want or whatever that we decide to revisit it before we have our, you know, before it's actually taken place, you know, and whether it's the next meeting or a month later.

2143
03:19:53,000 --> 03:20:03,000
So that part of it is difficult for me to, you know, to revisit things that we've already had discussions on and voted on.

2144
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Having said that, I, we're here and we're revisiting it and there's a couple of questions that I have now.

2145
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It was brought out earlier that we were the only city in Orange County that's not in ACCC, is that correct? That's not correct.

2146
03:20:21,000 --> 03:20:24,000
How many cities in Orange County are not in ACCC?

2147
03:20:26,000 --> 03:20:32,000
About 10. Okay. So there's, there's a significant amount of cities that are not in ACCC.

2148
03:20:33,000 --> 03:20:42,000
Don, I'm sorry, I didn't mean to say that I meant to say out of the people that are members, we are the only one not on that list. So my apologies.

2149
03:20:43,000 --> 03:20:45,000
On, on the list, on what list?

2150
03:20:46,000 --> 03:20:57,000
I'm sorry, on the list, I presented earlier. I wanted to make sure that I clarified that no, the 27, I think I think it might be out of 34 cities.

2151
03:20:58,000 --> 03:21:02,000
We're the only one that is not on that list as members. That's what I meant.

2152
03:21:04,000 --> 03:21:08,000
Not all 34 cities are members. There are some that aren't.

2153
03:21:08,000 --> 03:21:24,000
Okay. But I did want to, to say that I also don't like the argument that it's a pittance that it's only 20,000, but it's meaningless compared to our budget or whatever.

2154
03:21:25,000 --> 03:21:28,000
I think that we need to look at it for its merits.

2155
03:21:28,000 --> 03:21:34,000
And, and I also had a problem with the discussion that talked about that I didn't have merit.

2156
03:21:35,000 --> 03:21:47,000
And I really do believe that these regional relationships are important. And just, I wouldn't want to do it unless there was a practical reason for it. I certainly wouldn't want to do it because there's some sort of, I don't know,

2157
03:21:47,000 --> 03:21:53,000
the various reason for doing it for personalities or for for for individual city council members or anything like that.

2158
03:21:54,000 --> 03:22:06,000
I would just look at it. And that's why I asked my very first question was to, to Mr. Rosenfield is about what kind of practical benefit do we get out of these organizations and really weigh it for what it is.

2159
03:22:07,000 --> 03:22:14,000
What do we get out of it? And in a year when budget, when our budget is really tied, we've had to make some difficult decisions.

2160
03:22:14,000 --> 03:22:20,000
You know, it's something that we should consider to think that, you know, we're sacrificing our law enforcement.

2161
03:22:21,000 --> 03:22:27,000
When, you know, 43% of our budget, you know, it's been on law enforcement and we're talking about 10% of one percent on this.

2162
03:22:28,000 --> 03:22:35,000
Those aren't, those aren't very good in relationships to draw, but I do think that we should look at it as far as well.

2163
03:22:35,000 --> 03:22:47,000
In a year when we're tied in a hair belt was it appropriate for us to get rid of it all. And when there are certainly benefits of not only the regional, you know, organizations were part of them.

2164
03:22:48,000 --> 03:23:01,000
We heard all the different things that they do, but even just just maintaining relationships with other members of that are close by other cities that are close by and I've seen that happen over and over.

2165
03:23:01,000 --> 03:23:14,000
And I've been grateful that we've had good relationships with some of our neighboring cities. For example, we recently put together this animal shelter with Mission Viejo and a few other cities rather than, you know, the one that we were part of.

2166
03:23:15,000 --> 03:23:23,000
You know, we years ago we formed the, the JPA for the Orange County Fire Authority with other cities that we had good relationships with and that we worked together.

2167
03:23:23,000 --> 03:23:31,000
And it's through organizations like this that we developed those relationships. We talked about even with the sheriff that we had to reduce.

2168
03:23:32,000 --> 03:23:43,000
We even looked at going on and doing a JPA of our own for the sheriff or or some other types of solutions where we teamed up with a few neighboring cities to share a lieutenant and different things.

2169
03:23:44,000 --> 03:23:49,000
And where we worked together in on a regional basis. And my thought is this.

2170
03:23:53,000 --> 03:24:10,000
Perhaps we could, we could reduce it significantly from $30,000 without completely getting out. You know, could we still keep our foot in the water by maintaining just ACC for this year and then revisit at the end of the year.

2171
03:24:11,000 --> 03:24:20,000
The other organizations, the League of Cities, the Skagga. I know they all have benefits in a different way, but at least there we could maintain our relationship with the other cities in our county.

2172
03:24:21,000 --> 03:24:27,000
It was mentioned early on, by Mr. Channing, you kind of get what you put into these organizations.

2173
03:24:27,000 --> 03:24:40,000
And that's what that's what led me to think about this because in, we're not very, we're not very involved in the League or in O'Connor, Skagga.

2174
03:24:41,000 --> 03:24:50,000
In the ACC of C, we not only have someone who from our city who would likely become, you know, the president soon, which would give us a very big influence in that organization.

2175
03:24:50,000 --> 03:24:56,000
We would get a lot out of that organization, but we also have the executive director who, intimately, knows our city better than I do.

2176
03:24:57,000 --> 03:25:08,000
And, and also shares the values and the mission that our city has. And if that's what, you know, and I know that knowing that the executive director is that way and is advocating for the county.

2177
03:25:09,000 --> 03:25:15,000
Of course, not for legal and health, but for the county's cities, but knowing that that's our executive director also.

2178
03:25:16,000 --> 03:25:22,000
Not to pay any favors or anything like that to Mr. Channing, which we own on.

2179
03:25:23,000 --> 03:25:36,000
But just on a very practical nature of getting what you put into it and knowing what is there. And I think that if I was going to just choose one organization for right now that I would support saying,

2180
03:25:36,000 --> 03:25:48,000
Okay, rather than throwing out the entire thing, keeping our connection with other members of our, at least the members of our county who are also members of O'Connor and Skagga.

2181
03:25:49,000 --> 03:26:00,000
And we know, I could go through the list of several members of these orange county cities that are part of ACC of C, who are also very influential in Skagga and O'Connor, that we would still be part of that.

2182
03:26:00,000 --> 03:26:10,000
Yeah, they're part of it is just that, you know, it's it's part of what we've done with some of these lawsuits. We've been part of it with the homeless lawsuit in such where we thought we've had discussions about.

2183
03:26:11,000 --> 03:26:15,000
Doing our part to keep an organizational life or doing our part to.

2184
03:26:16,000 --> 03:26:29,000
For example, when we knew that there was some advocacy for homelessness or there's some advocacy going on for local control and we had debates about whether we wanted to join those lawsuits and pay our share of it.

2185
03:26:29,000 --> 03:26:36,000
Or just let some other cities do it because they're going to do it anyway. Those are difficult decisions when you're having to tighten your belt.

2186
03:26:37,000 --> 03:26:48,000
But if it's possible to try and do your part to be part of those groups when it's going to be benefiting us, I think we should. I support taking a year hiatus.

2187
03:26:48,000 --> 03:27:00,000
I think it was a good decision that we made. I would I would support just staying in one organization and then revisiting the rest of them at the end of the year.

2188
03:27:03,000 --> 03:27:04,000
Thank you, Mayor.

2189
03:27:04,000 --> 03:27:10,000
Any other comments? Yes.

2190
03:27:11,000 --> 03:27:13,000
Yeah, thank you for your comments. Mayor.

2191
03:27:14,000 --> 03:27:19,000
And I guess just point of information or clarification on this.

2192
03:27:22,000 --> 03:27:31,000
In terms of when we say the end of the year, we were to stay in the ACC of C, which I do definitely support.

2193
03:27:31,000 --> 03:27:38,000
Then the end of the year, the end of our fiscal year is June 30th. Is that correct, Mr. Rosenfield?

2194
03:27:39,000 --> 03:27:40,000
Yes.

2195
03:27:41,000 --> 03:27:55,000
All right. So I would be in favor of that as a substitute knowing that the goal would be in my mind to bring these.

2196
03:27:55,000 --> 03:28:02,000
Membership's back as soon as possible within our new budget.

2197
03:28:04,000 --> 03:28:10,000
My substitute motion would simply be to reinstate ACC of C.

2198
03:28:11,000 --> 03:28:15,000
We don't even have a motion. So that would be a motion like could I make that motion right now?

2199
03:28:16,000 --> 03:28:18,000
To stay with it.

2200
03:28:19,000 --> 03:28:23,000
Without having been agendas. I mean, the agendas is closely associated enough with it to do it.

2201
03:28:23,000 --> 03:28:32,000
Okay. So my motion would be to just reinstate ACC of C and for right now. That's all.

2202
03:28:33,000 --> 03:28:37,000
Without without anything else attached.

2203
03:28:41,000 --> 03:28:42,000
I will second that.

2204
03:28:42,000 --> 03:28:46,000
I would like to make a substitute motion.

2205
03:28:50,000 --> 03:28:53,000
You might have to go to the other microphone.

2206
03:28:58,000 --> 03:29:08,000
I would like to make a substitute motion that we maintain the budget as is until the upcoming budget cycle.

2207
03:29:08,000 --> 03:29:14,000
And then we can revisit all of these memberships in their proper perspective.

2208
03:29:19,000 --> 03:29:21,000
I'll second that.

2209
03:29:27,000 --> 03:29:29,000
So we need to have.

2210
03:29:30,000 --> 03:29:36,000
Okay. Now we have a discussion for this revised motion.

2211
03:29:39,000 --> 03:29:41,000
The reason I'm doing that is this.

2212
03:29:42,000 --> 03:29:45,000
We already have it as we've heard here today in a long discussion.

2213
03:29:46,000 --> 03:29:48,000
We are already participating in regional groups.

2214
03:29:49,000 --> 03:29:51,000
We have a member on the TCA board.

2215
03:29:52,000 --> 03:29:54,000
TCA board here. The fire authority board here.

2216
03:29:55,000 --> 03:29:56,000
The watershed board here at the library.

2217
03:29:57,000 --> 03:29:58,000
We're participating regional groups.

2218
03:29:59,000 --> 03:30:00,000
This being proposed.

2219
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:08,280
Like we're not. What we're talking about here, and this is a matter of resources, money, money's

2220
03:30:08,280 --> 03:30:16,520
tight. That's why we're in this boat to begin with. This council made a decision that was

2221
03:30:16,520 --> 03:30:24,440
responsible. One council member got what they wanted and they're trying to change the game with

2222
03:30:24,440 --> 03:30:30,800
taxpayer money. And we can justify it how often we want. But when we can't, when we're

2223
03:30:30,800 --> 03:30:37,600
down in police service, the public safety is a number one responsibility of government taking care of

2224
03:30:37,600 --> 03:30:43,760
our streets and our parks. That's closely second. We need to be responsible. You know, we can

2225
03:30:43,760 --> 03:30:51,560
justify these things all day long, right? But this isn't some emergency situation that we need to

2226
03:30:51,560 --> 03:30:58,360
go out of cycle and deal with this thing. We can wait until June and July and deal with this

2227
03:30:58,360 --> 03:31:08,560
thing the way it should be dealt with. So I just think we need to be responsible if we make good

2228
03:31:08,560 --> 03:31:15,120
decisions. We stick to those good decisions. We're not up here to cater to one or the other

2229
03:31:15,120 --> 03:31:22,000
council members, whims. We're up here to do the right thing for the city of Laguna Hills.

2230
03:31:22,000 --> 03:31:29,440
That starts with making good, sound, economic decisions. And this is a $30,000 economic

2231
03:31:29,440 --> 03:31:32,680
decision. We need to make it right.

2232
03:31:32,680 --> 03:31:44,680
Councilmember Hatt, were you first done? All right. Councilmember Hunt just mentioned the water

2233
03:31:44,680 --> 03:31:51,200
shed committee and the library committee. Last time I checked those committees are not going to

2234
03:31:51,200 --> 03:31:59,360
help us when it comes to protecting us as homeowners. That's nice. And it's good that we're involved

2235
03:31:59,360 --> 03:32:08,320
in that way, but I'm talking about a completely different animal. And I would say that I am

2236
03:32:08,320 --> 03:32:16,080
in favor of Mr. Sedgwick's, you know, my philosophy is, if you can't get the whole loaf, hopefully

2237
03:32:16,080 --> 03:32:23,680
you get some loaf that you tried to negotiate. And I would be in favor of this because I hold

2238
03:32:23,680 --> 03:32:32,560
the ACCOC in very high regard. I was absolutely thrilled when Bruce decided to prove his

2239
03:32:32,560 --> 03:32:39,520
hat into the ring as the new executive director in the time that I spent on the council with

2240
03:32:39,520 --> 03:32:48,560
him from 16 to 18. I was just thoroughly impressed. You mentioned that mayor-pazzled earlier. He brings

2241
03:32:48,640 --> 03:32:57,840
so much to the table in terms of experience and background and the ability to lead and organization

2242
03:32:57,840 --> 03:33:07,200
with grace and wisdom. And the thing about the ACCOC that I really like, I got involved by way

2243
03:33:07,200 --> 03:33:16,240
of former councilwoman and former mayor Barbara Coveman, she asked me to step up and become the fifth district

2244
03:33:16,240 --> 03:33:22,000
representative. And so I kind of did my toll on the water and I got involved. And then I was told

2245
03:33:22,000 --> 03:33:29,200
would you like to get more involved in leadership and that led to a position as third vice president

2246
03:33:29,200 --> 03:33:35,200
and now second vice president. And over the years what I really have come to appreciate about and I

2247
03:33:35,200 --> 03:33:40,960
will say it is the Association of California City's Orange County. That's what ACCOC stands for.

2248
03:33:41,840 --> 03:33:45,680
We have a lot of people in the audience who want to make sure I'm not throwing Lingo at you.

2249
03:33:46,240 --> 03:33:55,360
Is that it's Orange County based? It's Orange County centered. It's Orange County focused and that's

2250
03:33:55,360 --> 03:34:02,800
really important. And while I understand all of these other organizations are also focused on that,

2251
03:34:02,800 --> 03:34:10,080
that's something that I appreciate about the ACCOC. It was founded again by one of our council members

2252
03:34:10,080 --> 03:34:17,440
that and obviously some other council members, but from our city back in 2011. So it's an integral

2253
03:34:17,440 --> 03:34:25,440
part of our history and I am in favor of that motion by Councilman Sejwik.

2254
03:34:28,240 --> 03:34:36,240
Thank you. Councilmember Heft, I will say that one of the things that I have experienced. My husband's

2255
03:34:36,240 --> 03:34:42,720
a corporate bankruptcy attorney and I definitely understand budgets. We've been through a lot of

2256
03:34:42,720 --> 03:34:50,800
under every socioeconomic situation and I have myself encountered times where we had to tighten belts

2257
03:34:50,800 --> 03:34:57,760
in my own house and to be fair there were times when my husband was working 10 times harder

2258
03:34:58,480 --> 03:35:05,680
because he's corporate bankruptcy but you take one for the team. And in this situation we canceled everything.

2259
03:35:05,680 --> 03:35:11,360
Even though a gym membership is healthy, we canceled gym membership. Even though even though

2260
03:35:12,160 --> 03:35:19,920
there are certain things that you want, we had to make the cuts in our household. There are times as

2261
03:35:19,920 --> 03:35:25,680
adults we need to make cuts. We need to be responsible and we need to focus a resources in the right

2262
03:35:25,680 --> 03:35:35,440
directions. What are we teaching our residents? We're our heads are at. I mean come on. What we're saying is

2263
03:35:35,760 --> 03:35:41,440
I mean our residents are calling me and contacting me on a daily basis about problems that we're

2264
03:35:41,440 --> 03:35:48,480
having. Problems. And so what we're saying is okay well as long as you bring it on. I mean we've had

2265
03:35:48,480 --> 03:35:54,880
numerous residents come forward with issues. I don't want to teach our residents that this is okay.

2266
03:35:55,840 --> 03:36:03,440
This is not what I stand for as a person who is using who is a fiduciary to resources. These are

2267
03:36:03,920 --> 03:36:10,080
resources that benefit me. I'm talking about benefits the whole right now. I have no I think that

2268
03:36:10,080 --> 03:36:16,320
these these groups are fantastic. I think they're great. I learned so much with the ACCOC. This has nothing

2269
03:36:16,320 --> 03:36:22,160
to do with wanting something or another. I think when we have the mind we do it. That's simple,

2270
03:36:22,160 --> 03:36:29,680
plain and simple but we have we have been hit council member heft. We have been hit harder and the reason

2271
03:36:29,680 --> 03:36:36,000
why is because we lost the mall. We lost a significant revenue source and then we were hit again

2272
03:36:36,000 --> 03:36:44,000
it's like being hit in a city with two tsunamis. Two tsunamis have hit our city. We don't have this

2273
03:36:44,000 --> 03:36:52,800
luxury. I wish we did. It's like then using a credit card to pay your bills. I mean I just I'm sorry.

2274
03:36:52,880 --> 03:37:00,080
I can't justify it. I can't justify telling every resident. Hey you know what we can't fix the

2275
03:37:00,080 --> 03:37:07,600
those slopes. We can't fix those broken up pieces. We can't fix this. Why? We because we have a significant

2276
03:37:07,600 --> 03:37:16,560
budget hit. I just so that's where I'm at with this. So that's why I'm sticking to this council

2277
03:37:16,560 --> 03:37:27,040
member hunt because I understand and for me I was a voted by the people and I am sticking with the

2278
03:37:27,040 --> 03:37:39,040
people. So Miss Lane maybe we have a roll call vote on the substitution.

2279
03:37:41,520 --> 03:37:49,360
Mayor Paisal. Hi. Councilmember Wheeler. Councilmember Hest.

2280
03:37:49,760 --> 03:37:54,960
Mayor Paisal. Mayor Paisal and Councilmember Hunt. Councilmember Hunt.

2281
03:37:54,960 --> 03:38:03,520
Hi. That motion fails with Mayor Paisal and Councilmember Hunt's voting yes and Mayor

2282
03:38:03,520 --> 03:38:12,640
Paisal and Councilmember Hest and Wheeler voting no. All right may we have a discussion with this item.

2283
03:38:12,640 --> 03:38:28,560
On with the motion the first motion council. Mayor Paisal would be significantly reducing

2284
03:38:29,840 --> 03:38:35,200
something that we've had in our city for all the years that we've been a city and we're taking it

2285
03:38:35,200 --> 03:38:41,120
from about thirty thousand dollars to about seven or eight thousand dollars. So it would still be a

2286
03:38:41,120 --> 03:38:47,520
significant reduction. Only change of thought that I've had is that I don't know if we want to be

2287
03:38:47,520 --> 03:38:53,360
one hundred percent out of these organizations. So that's the second thought that I reluctantly.

2288
03:38:55,920 --> 03:39:00,480
I see the value in it. I don't see any problem with the value of the dollars that we're spending.

2289
03:39:00,480 --> 03:39:07,920
The only issue my only reluctance is just that it's the timing of it. But I think that we could

2290
03:39:07,920 --> 03:39:16,160
I find with reducing as much as we have and not supporting the original request to reinstate all of them.

2291
03:39:19,920 --> 03:39:25,600
Councilmember Wheeler. I'm not sure if this is possible or not. I know with the, at least I've

2292
03:39:25,600 --> 03:39:33,200
one of the representative here. I'm curious if we can, if we assume we pass this one and only keep one

2293
03:39:33,200 --> 03:39:42,000
of the four. If we can maintain a an advisory or participation in the other organizations for the time being

2294
03:39:42,000 --> 03:39:49,600
till we decide the budget I guess and the engine, I might ask it. Is that possible? I don't know about the other two

2295
03:39:49,600 --> 03:39:57,760
of their online stuff. No, at the last point. Yes, please.

2296
03:39:58,640 --> 03:40:02,800
Speaking on behalf of the League of Cities that that's certainly possible. I'm more than happy to

2297
03:40:02,800 --> 03:40:08,400
continue to keep a line of communications with the city, whichever council member says you can see what

2298
03:40:08,400 --> 03:40:14,080
we're actually doing. Come June 30th to reevaluate membership with the League and what we've done

2299
03:40:14,080 --> 03:40:17,600
from now until then. So the answer to the question is yes. Thank you.

2300
03:40:18,560 --> 03:40:21,920
I don't think we have the other two. I'm going to assume their answer is going to be similar that we

2301
03:40:21,920 --> 03:40:25,600
can still participate. So that would at least be.

2302
03:40:25,600 --> 03:40:29,600
I'm sorry. Sorry.

2303
03:40:29,600 --> 03:40:34,880
This is Marty Primer from the Orange County Council of Governments. Yes.

2304
03:40:34,880 --> 03:40:43,280
There are some opportunities for non-member jurisdictions to engage with O.C. but I do want to be very clear

2305
03:40:43,280 --> 03:40:51,120
at the grant program that I talked about earlier that provides staff augmentation that would provide

2306
03:40:51,120 --> 03:41:02,160
GIS tools for your use for site selection and tools for support with regards to planning activities,

2307
03:41:02,160 --> 03:41:09,600
model ordinances, ADU, pre-approved plans and communications tools. Those will not be available to you as a

2308
03:41:09,600 --> 03:41:17,360
non-member jurisdiction. So I do want to just put that out there for you. We'll do our very best to

2309
03:41:17,360 --> 03:41:23,200
work with your budgetary constraints. And if you'd like to maintain a membership and talk about pushing

2310
03:41:23,200 --> 03:41:32,480
back payment of back dues, we can certainly consider that. And be as flexible as possible within your

2311
03:41:32,480 --> 03:41:37,680
financial constraints. We really value having you at the table. But it wouldn't be fair for me to make

2312
03:41:38,240 --> 03:41:45,520
those things available to you. One, my other members are paying for that access.

2313
03:41:46,800 --> 03:41:54,080
Okay. Thank you very much. For clarification. I think that since we can't keep.

2314
03:41:54,080 --> 03:41:56,080
I'm going to call the question.

2315
03:42:07,680 --> 03:42:16,320
Okay. All right. Do we have any other discussion?

2316
03:42:18,000 --> 03:42:21,040
When you call the question, you don't have any further discussion. You have the vote.

2317
03:42:25,200 --> 03:42:25,840
All right.

2318
03:42:27,360 --> 03:42:28,400
Have the number have?

2319
03:42:30,880 --> 03:42:32,160
Please restate the motion.

2320
03:42:32,320 --> 03:42:39,520
The motion to reinstate the membership into ACC only for now.

2321
03:42:40,720 --> 03:42:41,680
Thank you. I will vote aye.

2322
03:42:43,040 --> 03:42:44,000
Councilmember Wheeler?

2323
03:42:44,800 --> 03:42:45,200
Yes.

2324
03:42:46,400 --> 03:42:47,440
Councilmember Hunt?

2325
03:42:47,840 --> 03:42:48,080
No.

2326
03:42:49,200 --> 03:42:50,320
Mayor of Potemsecret?

2327
03:42:50,960 --> 03:42:51,120
Aye.

2328
03:42:52,320 --> 03:42:53,200
Mayor Paisel?

2329
03:42:53,520 --> 03:42:53,760
No.

2330
03:42:54,720 --> 03:43:01,520
That motion passes with Mayor Potemsecret and Councilmembers have been Wheeler voting

2331
03:43:01,600 --> 03:43:05,600
Yes. And Mayor Paisel and Councilmember Hunt's voting.

2332
03:43:12,480 --> 03:43:13,120
All right.

2333
03:43:14,720 --> 03:43:16,960
Now is the time for councilmember comments.

2334
03:43:18,400 --> 03:43:23,440
Would any of my fellow councilmembers like to comment?

2335
03:43:25,040 --> 03:43:26,800
For any councilmember Hunt?

2336
03:43:26,960 --> 03:43:29,920
I know probably everybody started hearing me from you tonight.

2337
03:43:29,920 --> 03:43:34,000
But I did want to take a moment to commend the State of South Carolina.

2338
03:43:34,000 --> 03:43:40,960
So last Wednesday, they're legislator joined the growing list of states to pass a heartbeat bill

2339
03:43:40,960 --> 03:43:45,440
mandating ultrasounds and banning abortion after a heartbeat has been detected.

2340
03:43:46,480 --> 03:43:53,360
Earlier this month, you may know marked the tragic anniversary of the passing of Roe versus Wade

2341
03:43:53,360 --> 03:43:59,520
making abortion illegal in the United States and have been more than 61 million abortions.

2342
03:43:59,920 --> 03:44:03,040
Since the horrendous passing of Roe, Wade in 1973.

2343
03:44:04,320 --> 03:44:08,640
Our declaration of independent states, we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are

2344
03:44:08,640 --> 03:44:16,480
created equal that they are endowed by their creator with certain unalienable rights that among

2345
03:44:16,480 --> 03:44:20,320
these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

2346
03:44:20,320 --> 03:44:23,200
Listed first among those rights is life.

2347
03:44:23,200 --> 03:44:27,920
If we don't defend the lives of the most innocent among us, we don't deserve the others.

2348
03:44:28,480 --> 03:44:32,800
Sadly, the California legislature continues to embrace the culture of death.

2349
03:44:33,520 --> 03:44:39,360
If you want to get involved in the fight for life, there's a prayer group that meets over at the

2350
03:44:39,360 --> 03:44:46,320
intersectional of a puzzle, the present year-round on Wednesdays at noon, and now during the season of

2351
03:44:46,320 --> 03:44:53,280
Lent, you can go there every day of the week. If you want to find out how you can get involved,

2352
03:44:53,280 --> 03:44:59,920
you can go to 40 days for Lent.com. That's 40 days for Lent.com.

2353
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:06,000
God bless all the America and may he have mercy on us. Thank you.

2354
03:45:06,000 --> 03:45:10,000
Thank you. Councilmember Wheeler?

2355
03:45:10,000 --> 03:45:18,000
Yes, I have several things. I don't think Mr. Brinkard is still here. There have been a lot of people tonight

2356
03:45:18,000 --> 03:45:25,000
that have talked about the fact that all the kind of criminal activity in the Rinaloo

2357
03:45:25,000 --> 03:45:30,000
good evaluation. Maybe it spreads further. And there's a request indirectly maybe to put on the agenda.

2358
03:45:30,000 --> 03:45:36,000
I would like to make a motion to put that on the honor of the motion. I'd like to put that in a agenda for next meeting.

2359
03:45:36,000 --> 03:45:38,000
We have a discussion about that.

2360
03:45:38,000 --> 03:45:40,000
I'll agree with that.

2361
03:45:40,000 --> 03:45:42,000
Okay.

2362
03:45:42,000 --> 03:45:47,000
Madam Mayor, may I make the comment?

2363
03:45:47,000 --> 03:45:48,000
Yes, please.

2364
03:45:48,000 --> 03:45:55,000
So I, in accordance with City Council policy 120, the procedure has been followed to agenda is something

2365
03:45:55,000 --> 03:46:01,000
whether or not it can be on the next agenda. We'll be dependent upon the agenda load for next meeting.

2366
03:46:01,000 --> 03:46:12,000
And it's likely to be there, but I need to reserve the right to schedule the agenda items that are pre-insistated to be on there before we add new items.

2367
03:46:12,000 --> 03:46:17,000
And I'll let all the council members know and advance what that schedule is going to be.

2368
03:46:17,000 --> 03:46:20,000
Thank you.

2369
03:46:20,000 --> 03:46:23,000
Okay. Next on my list.

2370
03:46:23,000 --> 03:46:28,000
I actually spoke to Ms. Ford who I also think is gone.

2371
03:46:28,000 --> 03:46:31,000
We discussed some of these items that she mentioned tonight.

2372
03:46:31,000 --> 03:46:37,000
And I promised her that I would bring them up, and so I'm going to.

2373
03:46:37,000 --> 03:46:41,000
The first thing was the post.

2374
03:46:41,000 --> 03:46:43,000
The first thing was the post office.

2375
03:46:43,000 --> 03:46:46,000
She mentioned about that being an eye store and landscaping.

2376
03:46:46,000 --> 03:46:56,000
And I promised that I would speak with the City Manager about where the City could write a letter, asking that they fixed up their place and get some gardeners that actually did some work I guess.

2377
03:46:56,000 --> 03:47:00,000
And then I would also speak with the postmaster over there.

2378
03:47:00,000 --> 03:47:02,000
I just speak with the postmaster.

2379
03:47:02,000 --> 03:47:06,000
And they agreed that the place was a mess.

2380
03:47:06,000 --> 03:47:09,000
And they are elevating that up to their next level.

2381
03:47:09,000 --> 03:47:11,000
The local level doesn't have control over the money.

2382
03:47:11,000 --> 03:47:13,000
Money problems there too.

2383
03:47:13,000 --> 03:47:14,000
The money for the maintenance there.

2384
03:47:14,000 --> 03:47:16,000
So that is proceeding.

2385
03:47:16,000 --> 03:47:19,000
It is a federal property.

2386
03:47:19,000 --> 03:47:23,000
So we don't have much jurisdiction there or influence.

2387
03:47:23,000 --> 03:47:24,000
Maybe.

2388
03:47:24,000 --> 03:47:26,000
But we can request that and do what we have.

2389
03:47:26,000 --> 03:47:27,000
We have.

2390
03:47:27,000 --> 03:47:28,000
And I do had.

2391
03:47:28,000 --> 03:47:29,000
I did take about 10 pictures.

2392
03:47:29,000 --> 03:47:30,000
When I was there.

2393
03:47:30,000 --> 03:47:32,000
It is a mess.

2394
03:47:32,000 --> 03:47:34,000
There is debris all over the place.

2395
03:47:34,000 --> 03:47:35,000
Like they mentioned.

2396
03:47:35,000 --> 03:47:36,000
The palm trees haven't done it.

2397
03:47:36,000 --> 03:47:37,000
I'm not a palm tree expert.

2398
03:47:37,000 --> 03:47:38,000
I don't know.

2399
03:47:38,000 --> 03:47:40,000
What the last thing was that.

2400
03:47:40,000 --> 03:47:43,000
It appears that there was a homeless.

2401
03:47:43,000 --> 03:47:44,000
Slight there.

2402
03:47:44,000 --> 03:47:46,000
I started taking pictures.

2403
03:47:46,000 --> 03:47:49,000
I realized that may be just debris.

2404
03:47:49,000 --> 03:47:51,000
So I'm not sure about that.

2405
03:47:51,000 --> 03:47:55,000
Maybe the sheriff's laws can take a look into that.

2406
03:47:55,000 --> 03:47:57,000
The second I was going to bring this up.

2407
03:47:57,000 --> 03:47:59,000
They mentioned street lights were out.

2408
03:47:59,000 --> 03:48:03,000
And I didn't relay this to the city manager.

2409
03:48:03,000 --> 03:48:05,000
At the city of Valencia and Erexon.

2410
03:48:05,000 --> 03:48:08,000
And also at the city of Valencia and Hillary.

2411
03:48:08,000 --> 03:48:13,000
And so that will be, I guess, looked into appropriately.

2412
03:48:13,000 --> 03:48:16,000
Also mentioned the Kustopark basketball backwards.

2413
03:48:16,000 --> 03:48:19,000
I also mentioned that in the city manager.

2414
03:48:19,000 --> 03:48:21,000
And correct me if I go wrong.

2415
03:48:21,000 --> 03:48:23,000
Mr. Risenfield.

2416
03:48:23,000 --> 03:48:25,000
There's a problem with the backboard.

2417
03:48:25,000 --> 03:48:28,000
And that they have a special design of some kind.

2418
03:48:28,000 --> 03:48:31,000
Which we are still working on getting the matching.

2419
03:48:31,000 --> 03:48:33,000
Equip it to be able to put up there.

2420
03:48:33,000 --> 03:48:34,000
And that will be done this.

2421
03:48:34,000 --> 03:48:37,000
As soon as we can manage that.

2422
03:48:37,000 --> 03:48:40,000
We also talked about memberships.

2423
03:48:40,000 --> 03:48:43,000
We share that.

2424
03:48:43,000 --> 03:48:46,000
So we have enough discussion on that for the night.

2425
03:48:46,000 --> 03:48:47,000
So.

2426
03:48:47,000 --> 03:48:50,000
So I, but I didn't want to mention that it was broader.

2427
03:48:50,000 --> 03:48:56,000
I didn't want additional thing that we passed something in the consent counter, which I don't

2428
03:48:56,000 --> 03:48:58,000
Maybe paid a whole lot of attention to.

2429
03:48:58,000 --> 03:49:01,000
About changing the procedure in the meetings.

2430
03:49:01,000 --> 03:49:03,000
And things done that were fine.

2431
03:49:03,000 --> 03:49:06,000
I had a couple of the additions, but they weren't exactly procedures.

2432
03:49:06,000 --> 03:49:08,000
So I didn't bring them up in the meeting.

2433
03:49:08,000 --> 03:49:13,000
But as mentioned, I want the people to have a word in the council also.

2434
03:49:13,000 --> 03:49:18,000
And sometimes politicians or people like I hate comments on politicians.

2435
03:49:18,000 --> 03:49:19,000
I don't think I saw them once.

2436
03:49:19,000 --> 03:49:24,000
When people get up here, you know, we don't always have access to everything on the public.

2437
03:49:24,000 --> 03:49:26,000
So I was going to throw us my ideas there.

2438
03:49:26,000 --> 03:49:29,000
Just for people to think about me about bringing up more formally later.

2439
03:49:29,000 --> 03:49:34,000
One would be to have a situation for putting something on the agenda.

2440
03:49:34,000 --> 03:49:37,000
By a method of petition by the citizens.

2441
03:49:37,000 --> 03:49:39,000
Maybe you have ex-citizens.

2442
03:49:39,000 --> 03:49:41,000
But we want this on the agenda.

2443
03:49:41,000 --> 03:49:44,000
And it doesn't have to be okay by the council members.

2444
03:49:44,000 --> 03:49:47,000
Or something that the people want to hear about.

2445
03:49:47,000 --> 03:49:50,000
So that was one idea.

2446
03:49:50,000 --> 03:49:52,000
The other thing.

2447
03:49:52,000 --> 03:49:55,000
Turn my news here.

2448
03:49:55,000 --> 03:49:58,000
This was an effort to speed up things.

2449
03:49:58,000 --> 03:50:02,000
Since I joined the council, I've been very frustrated because things don't only move slowly.

2450
03:50:02,000 --> 03:50:04,000
They move collationally.

2451
03:50:04,000 --> 03:50:06,000
And one thing.

2452
03:50:06,000 --> 03:50:08,000
If I think of something after the night.

2453
03:50:08,000 --> 03:50:09,000
I think of tomorrow.

2454
03:50:09,000 --> 03:50:10,000
I think of something.

2455
03:50:10,000 --> 03:50:12,000
That would be great to put on the video.

2456
03:50:12,000 --> 03:50:14,000
I have to wait till the next meeting.

2457
03:50:14,000 --> 03:50:16,000
To this point on the meeting.

2458
03:50:16,000 --> 03:50:17,000
To bring it up.

2459
03:50:17,000 --> 03:50:20,000
And then get another council member to agree with me.

2460
03:50:20,000 --> 03:50:23,000
My idea was to that would take the next week.

2461
03:50:23,000 --> 03:50:24,000
A whole week for that.

2462
03:50:24,000 --> 03:50:26,000
And then it would take another week.

2463
03:50:26,000 --> 03:50:27,000
And then it would take another week.

2464
03:50:27,000 --> 03:50:29,000
The minimum of three weeks.

2465
03:50:29,000 --> 03:50:31,000
Could be as much as almost four weeks.

2466
03:50:31,000 --> 03:50:34,000
The idea that I want to throw out is that we have another mechanism.

2467
03:50:34,000 --> 03:50:36,000
Where the two council members.

2468
03:50:36,000 --> 03:50:38,000
And I keep it with our policy right now.

2469
03:50:38,000 --> 03:50:39,000
Two council members.

2470
03:50:39,000 --> 03:50:40,000
They come up with the idea.

2471
03:50:41,000 --> 03:50:44,000
We put dmg into the big piece thatыт the agenda.

2472
03:50:44,000 --> 03:50:46,000
I don't want to put the staff in any and a burdening.

2473
03:50:46,000 --> 03:50:49,000
So any support material or discussion or text will be

2474
03:50:49,000 --> 03:50:52,000
Their responsibility of those bringing it up.

2475
03:50:52,000 --> 03:50:54,000
So that the only burden on the staff immediately to

2476
03:50:54,000 --> 03:50:56,000
take the Excel or Word file on and unplunk it in there to

2477
03:50:56,000 --> 03:50:58,000
Vib in the job.

2478
03:50:58,000 --> 03:51:00,000
So that shouldn't be a burden.

2479
03:51:00,000 --> 03:51:03,000
To something that we could, we could get these people's support and people

2480
03:51:03,000 --> 03:51:06,000
thatthey can say it's half saint to the city.

2481
03:51:06,000 --> 03:51:08,000
and also make it a mis sculpture.

2482
03:51:08,000 --> 03:51:18,000
I would like to provide some comments.

2483
03:51:18,000 --> 03:51:23,000
First of all, I would like to receive support from the council member because I think

2484
03:51:23,000 --> 03:51:30,000
at this time we need to concentrate funds and talk about the license plate readers as many

2485
03:51:30,000 --> 03:51:40,000
as possible.

2486
03:51:40,000 --> 03:51:56,000
I would like to try to do something about this.

2487
03:51:56,000 --> 03:52:05,000
And I also want to thank every person who has been involved in speaking and providing

2488
03:52:05,000 --> 03:52:06,000
comments.

2489
03:52:06,000 --> 03:52:12,000
I'm listening and I am providing information to our city manager, although not publicly.

2490
03:52:12,000 --> 03:52:17,000
I am providing it to the city manager directly.

2491
03:52:17,000 --> 03:52:24,000
And so I would like to let everyone know that I am dedicating myself to fixing the

2492
03:52:24,000 --> 03:52:28,000
problems in the best capacity that we have.

2493
03:52:28,000 --> 03:52:35,000
And I would also like to request a conversation at some point to figure out where we're

2494
03:52:35,000 --> 03:52:41,000
out with the rooted campaign, where we receive donations and volunteers

2495
03:52:41,000 --> 03:52:44,000
here's plant plants within the city to beautify the city.

2496
03:52:44,000 --> 03:52:49,000
So with that, do any other council members of comments?

2497
03:52:49,000 --> 03:52:53,000
Yes.

2498
03:52:53,000 --> 03:52:58,000
I did want to comment on what councilman Wheeler said.

2499
03:52:58,000 --> 03:53:04,000
That's something that I've discussed at length with Mr. Rosenfield in terms of policy

2500
03:53:04,000 --> 03:53:05,000
1, 2, 0.

2501
03:53:05,000 --> 03:53:14,000
And I would be in favor of revisiting that because glacially is about right, especially when we have

2502
03:53:14,000 --> 03:53:19,000
something that has a time frame attached to it.

2503
03:53:19,000 --> 03:53:27,000
Like, say, for instance, last year, proposition 15, which is something we ended up opposing

2504
03:53:27,000 --> 03:53:34,000
5O as a council, which had to do with a split tax roll, which would have put businesses in a

2505
03:53:34,000 --> 03:53:37,000
terrible position in Orange County.

2506
03:53:37,000 --> 03:53:42,000
And to be able to do that, we had to make sure that we could get it on and agenda quick enough

2507
03:53:42,000 --> 03:53:49,000
that we could show our opposition and obviously help the fight for that proposition.

2508
03:53:49,000 --> 03:53:52,000
So there are definitely time-sensitive matters.

2509
03:53:52,000 --> 03:53:55,000
And I do understand about staff's time.

2510
03:53:55,000 --> 03:54:02,000
I do understand that something we want to be sensitive about as well.

2511
03:54:02,000 --> 03:54:08,000
So I would definitely be in favor of revisiting policy 1, 2, 0, and seeing if we can streamline it and help

2512
03:54:08,000 --> 03:54:14,000
us be able to get things on the agenda in a more efficient way.

2513
03:54:14,000 --> 03:54:17,000
That's the first thing I was going to say.

2514
03:54:17,000 --> 03:54:22,000
And the second thing I just want to say, I know that council member Hunt, we are not always on the same

2515
03:54:22,000 --> 03:54:29,000
side of a lot of issues that we discuss here on the dias, but I will tell you I support you 100

2516
03:54:29,000 --> 03:54:37,000
percent with what you just said about the unborn and about our responsibility, I think for the

2517
03:54:37,000 --> 03:54:42,000
end-born and the fact that we could be out there helping out in this.

2518
03:54:42,000 --> 03:54:44,000
So I support you 100 percent on that.

2519
03:54:44,000 --> 03:54:45,000
Does my comments?

2520
03:54:45,000 --> 03:54:49,000
Madam Mayor, if I can just briefly comment.

2521
03:54:49,000 --> 03:54:50,000
Yes.

2522
03:54:50,000 --> 03:54:51,000
Thank you.

2523
03:54:51,000 --> 03:54:58,000
I just want to say council to know that we are researching what other agencies do with regards to council members

2524
03:54:58,000 --> 03:55:01,000
bringing matters onto the agenda.

2525
03:55:01,000 --> 03:55:04,000
We started that a few weeks ago.

2526
03:55:04,000 --> 03:55:09,000
And I do intend to bring that topic back policy 120 to the city council.

2527
03:55:09,000 --> 03:55:15,000
Like we had a study session at some time before the end of the fiscal year.

2528
03:55:15,000 --> 03:55:22,000
I have some views on it, and we need to have a vibrant discussion about it so that we can do what's best for the

2529
03:55:22,000 --> 03:55:29,000
operations of the city and information to be provided to the public about what's going to be discussed.

2530
03:55:29,000 --> 03:55:30,000
Thank you.

2531
03:55:30,000 --> 03:55:34,000
Thank you, Mr. Rosenkel.

2532
03:55:34,000 --> 03:55:38,000
Any other comments?

2533
03:55:38,000 --> 03:55:39,000
All right.

2534
03:55:39,000 --> 03:55:45,000
The next regular meeting of the city council planning agency will be March 9th, 2021.

2535
03:55:45,000 --> 03:55:46,000
We are now adjourned.