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city clerk? Yes, thank you, mayor. Let the
record show that we have all members of

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council present in
chambers, and we have

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council member wheeler will lead the
invocation. Will you pray with me? Dear lord in

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heaven, we thank
you so much that

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you're with us tonight, lord.

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we ask your blessings on this gathering where we deal with the subjects of the city.

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we ask your guidance on these issues, that
we may be able to make proper decisions

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that will benefit
our city, the state,

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and our country.

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in jesus' name we pray.

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amen.

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and I'm going to lead the pledge of allegiance.

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and I would just like to state, if you'll stand, those of you who can stand.

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I'm not one of you.

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but we live in the greatest country in the world, 250 years, and we celebrate that.

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and so we say the pledge of allegiance this
time from the greatest little city in the

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united states, laguna hills.

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okay.

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there we go.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states

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indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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thank you.

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all right.

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so, first of all, I wanted to make a couple
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everything going.

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I want to thank a lot of people for their thoughts and their prayers.

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I had a pretty serious surgery to my foot almost three months ago.

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but I managed to attend these meetings by zoom.

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and I want to thank our mayor pro tem,
jared mathis, for chairing these meetings on

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my behalf,

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even though I was in the room with you.

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but it would have been logistically a little nuts for me to try to run the meeting,

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and I really appreciate his stepping up and doing that.

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I also want to introduce joshua stephenson,
our new city clerk, and we want to

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welcome you to
your first meeting.

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nothing like starting off with a bang, joshua.

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absolutely.

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so, with that, we are going to

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we did that.

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we're going to recess the city council
meeting and call to order the joint meeting of

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the city council
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and, again, I'm going to ask the city clerk for the roll call of the agency members.

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yes, mayor.

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let the record show that all members of
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present in council chambers.

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thank you.

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okay.

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and with that, we will begin.

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the first item on the agenda, and I have
moved the deck chairs around a little bit

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from what we normally
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use permits, and the reason for that is
because sometimes in these things, by the

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time you get to
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or nine o'clock at night, even if we start
early. So today, we're going to rearrange

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that. We are going to do

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a presentation from the ad hoc committee,
which will be fairly short, followed by a

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presentation from jennifer lowe, our
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and then about the project, which is the village at laguna hills.

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and then we will hear a presentation from the applicant.

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and then we'll go straight to public comments first.

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because most of you who are here know what you want to say.

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and I want to hear, we all want to hear, what you want to say.

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and so rather than getting wrapped around
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we do need to do, and

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you're welcome to stay through all of it, we're going to give you first dibs.

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and I'm just letting you know that ahead of time.

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so we have here the village at laguna hills,
a request by mgp fund x laguna hills llc

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to modify the previously
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at laguna hills project to redevelop the
former laguna hills mall site located at

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24001 avenida de la
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23451 calle de la luisa, 24162 ronda del rossmoor, 24100,

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24126, 24156, and 24300 laguna hills
mall; approval of site development permit,

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conditional use permits,
master sign program, parking

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use permit, amended vesting tentative
tract map number 19123 for residential

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condominium and
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to subdivide 10 existing lots into 27.

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the amended and restated development
agreement number, use-0239-2025, and an

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amendment to the
urban village specific plan.

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that's a mouthful.

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so with that, I'm going to call for mayor
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for the ad hoc committee.

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thank you, mr.

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mayor.

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it is wonderful to see you back in the chair.

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and I think we all agree.

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and it's great to see all of you here tonight to participate in this process.

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it's a long time coming.

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I'm going to take you back in time real quick, back to january of 2025.

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that's when we put together the ad hoc committee consisting of

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mayor caskey and myself, playing on our
industry experience to be able to sit down

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with the applicant and
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because from the project that had been
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was able to be built.

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so we rolled up our sleeves to sit
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and I'm just going to give you a brief 30,000-foot overview of what that process

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and what our guiding principles were
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details with the staff report.

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so the two-person ad hoc committee, it was
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working with mgp before.

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we wanted to have a fresh look.

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again, relying on the experience that we
have in the industry, and to try to get this

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over the finish line in a way

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that makes sense for the city.

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so the objective was to negotiate a
project that's both aligned with the city's

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principles and priorities and
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and so, go ahead.

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so regular meetings, as soon as the ad hoc
committee was formed, were set in motion

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with merlone geier partners
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committee focused on creating lasting value for laguna hills.

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none of us want to see the project sit dormant.

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thirteen years in various phases of that.

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but we also need to make sure it's right for laguna hills.

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and so multiple site plan revisions over
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balancing feasibility with community
priorities, and the result, we believe,

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is a negotiated proposal designed to
deliver the lasting public benefits that we

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think the city deserves and to
capture the interest and the spirit

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of laguna hills as well.

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and we think all that's possible.

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so what are the priorities for the city?

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one, increased revenues beyond the 2022 approved project.

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that is confirmed.

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this project will do that.

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not only do that through the two hotels and retail that will be part of this project,

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but it will increase the revenue over what the mall ever produced in its heyday.

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I think that's really important to understand.

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and that's been confirmed with independent analysis, not just our opinion.

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number two, provide affordable housing near transit, medical, and retail.

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specifically, senior affordable housing.

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mayor caskey, I'm going to give him all the credit in the world,

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this affordable housing was located in a different spot on the project,

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and he was adamant to move it to that
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as close as possible to
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not only does that just make sense, it also makes it more financeable as well.

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so that was a good result from this process.

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we also think that another priority
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reflecting the
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and the developer has agreed with us for patriotic theming,

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something that I think is really at the
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what we represent.

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that's visible from the freeway, so people
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just based on the project alone.

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number four, develop vibrant retail, dining, and gathering spaces.

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the pads on this project, for those of
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half of the project, right?

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surrounding the park.

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if you've been to the river street development in san juan capistrano,

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a similar feel in that regard, in that
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opportunities that not only serve the
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that we're building, but also a regional draw as well.

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and so we think that this accomplishes that goal as well.

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require enforceable phasing and developer accountability with community benefit.

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we don't want the property to sit and not be developed.

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and we also don't want to put a position,

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put the city in a position where the
developer can just do a few things and then

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leave town and leave
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the way that this

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proposal is phased and linked, and this
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legally and from an
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the proper phasing and accountability is within this project.

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number six, expand ownership and rental
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workforce housing.

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multiple types of housing, which marks departure from the previous version.

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multiple housing types, from apartments to townhomes and single-family residences.

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so you want to rent, you want to buy,
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project allows for that.

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in a wide variety of opportunities.

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number seven, design walkable neighborhoods
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so working with ocfa and all the different
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designed in a way
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walkable and beautiful, but safe.

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all that's been confirmed through our process, both with staff and our consultants.

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we feel really confident with that.

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and it just so happens, all of this is
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city's largest employer,
saddleback memorial hospital.

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the environment that it's going to create,
not only for the people that have to be in

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the hospital for
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but for those professionals, attracting
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professionals to be part of that campus
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so that's part of that design of that neighborhood and community.

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and number eight, deliver a project the
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local and regional draw.

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listen, it's been a long time, 13 years in the waiting,

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and laguna hills deserves for this project
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and that's what we think based on the 18
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the developer and with
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to that conclusion.

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go ahead.

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go ahead.

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so this is our statement.

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the ad hoc committee believes this
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previously approved project and
the right project for laguna hills.

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it reflects months of negotiation, compromise,
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priorities.

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our goal has always been simple: create a
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for generations.

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go ahead.

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and so the question is, why now, right?

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I'm going to try to provide an answer to that.

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in order for the affordable housing project, you're going to hear more about this,

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to enter the state's financing portal in this year, in 2026,

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we believe that this project needs to move
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the queue.

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in much that same vein, hotel 1 needs to
start construction in order to meet market

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deadlines and demands to
support tourism and capture,

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if possible, the 2028 olympics.

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also, after multiple public-facing
opportunities, and we welcome everyone's input

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here tonight.

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but over many different public-facing
opportunities over the last 18 months, all the

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public feedback, or the
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overwhelmingly positive.

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maybe a little editorial here: 13 years is long enough, right?

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and additional paralysis by analysis
potentially only hurts the city, in that we need

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to keep and capture the current
market condition and not

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slide through the market condition like what happened last time.

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and as I said before, put a shovel in the ground.

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so that's the perspective of the ad hoc committee.

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had an interesting time over the last 18 months.

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it's been knockdown, drag-out in many cases, but all in good faith.

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and I will commend the applicant for
being up-front and face-to-face on all the

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challenges that we
went through together.

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and you're going to see the results of that tonight.

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that's my report, mr.

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mayor.

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all right.

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thank you, mayor pro tem mathis.

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I don't think I can add anything to that, but I would like to keep it moving,

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and I'm going to ask the community development
director, jennifer lowe, to present

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the staff report.

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jennifer?

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good evening, mayor and members of the council.

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I would like to introduce to you gina gizar
and layla carter, project planners for

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this, and gina will be
giving the presentation.

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thank you.

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good evening, mayor and council members.

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tonight for your consideration is the
village at laguna hills 2026 modified project

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under application
number use-0239-2025.

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this project site is the former laguna hills
mall property, an approximately 68-acre

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site,

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which lies within the boundaries of the city's urban village specific plan.

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this application is a major modification
of the previously approved 2022 village at

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laguna hills development plan.

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the proposed mixed-use project includes
a combination of commercial retail, two

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hotels, four multifamily residential
buildings, one of which is fully affordable,

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a mix of townhomes, single-family attached,
single-family detached housing, and open

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space and recreation uses.

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before turning to the specifics of this
project, it's worth explaining that the

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application is considered a
modification rather than a new project.

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section 1.49 of the da approved for the 2022 vlh project,

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and I will say I will use vlh as an acronym for village at laguna hills several times,

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so the da defines a major project
modification as any discretionary approval or

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permit requested by the property owner
that would result in the authorization

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of certain circumstances.

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this proposed project includes more than
five residential buildings and less than 210,

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000 square feet of retail,

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which meet two of those thresholds defined in the da.

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as a result, this modification is considered a major project modification,

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and section

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12.3 of that agreement gives the city
council absolute discretion to approve,

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conditionally
approve, or deny it.

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this table summarizes how the 2026 modified
project compares to what was approved in

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2022.

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commercial retail, restaurant, cinema,
and health club uses decrease from 250,000

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square feet to 163,215 square feet,
as the cinema and health club have

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been removed.

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office use is eliminated entirely, a reduction of 465,000 square feet.

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the project now includes two hotels totaling
239 rooms, an increase of 89 rooms over

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the single hotel
approved in 2022.

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residential units decreased slightly from
1,500 to 1,457, though the da preserves the

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potential for up to 1,500 units.

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and required parking decreases by about
1,926 spaces, reflecting the removal of

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office, cinema, and health club uses
and their associated parking structures.

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in short, the 2026 modified project
diversifies the housing types on site, adding

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apartments, stand-alone affordable
housing, townhomes, single-family attached,

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single-family detached,

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while also increasing the village park
from 2.6 to 3.1 acres and introducing the

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second hotel.

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to implement these changes, the applicant
is requesting a series of discretionary

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approvals: a specific plan amendment,
a site development permit, a precise plan,

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an amendment to vesting tentative map number
19123, conditional use permits for the

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two hotels and for seasonal
and temporary events at the village

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park, a master sign program, a parking use permit, and an amended and restated da.

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taken together, the project offers significant public benefits.

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it will generate fee payments of almost
$33 million at full build-out and an

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anticipated annual general fund
fiscal surplus of about $2.26 million.

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it redevelops a largely vacant former
mall site into a mixed-use urban village,

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creates thousands of
construction and permanent jobs,

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and helps the city meet more than 60% of
the housing units required under its 2021-29

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housing element.

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the amended and restated da has a 15-year
term with the possibility of a five-year

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extension, and at full build-out
authorizes the park, retail,

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residential, and hotels.

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development is structured in two phases.

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phase 1 includes construction of the two
retail anchor buildings, shop a, hotel 1,

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and 200 units of
affordable senior housing,

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along with supporting streets, utilities,
landscaping, and infrastructure, plus

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elective improvements such as
the north residential building.

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phase 1 must commence within four years
of the da date and must be completed within

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five years,

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with the affordable housing project completed within three years of commencement.

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phase 2 includes commercial pads one through four, shops b and c, hotel 2, and the

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central and south residential buildings, along with their supportive infrastructure.

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phase 2 can commence at any time during the da term,

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but the hotels must be completed within
eight years or the applicant must pay a hotel

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delay fee,

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which we'll get into in a minute.

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this slide breaks down the community benefit
and one-time fees associated with the

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project.

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to date, the applicant has paid more
than $8.6 million toward public art, park

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in-lieu, community benefit, and
development agreement administration fees.

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looking ahead, the applicant is obligated
to pay an additional $23.9 million in those

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same categories.

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plus a public art
obligation equal to

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0.5% of construction costs for specific
non-residential and multifamily uses, with

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any amount above
$650,000 required to be

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installed as actual public art onsite.

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and as mentioned before, a hotel delay
fee of $500,000 per hotel if either is not

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completed within eight years.

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from a fiscal standpoint, at full build-out,
the project is expected to generate

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approximately $3.8 million in annual
city revenues against about $1.53 million

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in annual expenditures, for a net positive
fiscal impact of over $2.2 million per

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year.

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that surplus is higher than the $1.39 million
annual surplus that would have resulted

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under the 2022 approved project,

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largely due to the addition of the
second hotel and its associated transient

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occupancy tax revenue.

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these figures are based on an analysis and
a fiscal impact analysis prepared by dpfg

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and peer-reviewed on
behalf of the city by eps.

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with the fiscal and procedural context
in mind, we can walk through the physical

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design of the project.

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so just to reiterate the uses, the modified
project includes up to 143,100 square

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feet of new retail space,

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and that's in addition to the existing space
that will remain with the bj's and other

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uses.

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these spaces are anchored by two
major stores, a 3.1-acre village park, four

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multifamily residential buildings,
again, one that is fully affordable,

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and the mix of townhomes, single-family
attached and single-family detached

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residential uses, two hotels, and
vehicular access, circulation, and parking

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improvements.

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there will be a comprehensive signage
program and new utility and infrastructure

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improvements.

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at the heart of the project is the approximately
3.1-acre village park, which will be

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privately owned but
publicly accessible.

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it includes a small kiosk with outdoor
seating and dining along its edges, water

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features, a pavilion, a raised
deck, and a central green.

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this diagram illustrates how the village
park integrates with the project's broader

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open space network, connecting
the commercial core, hotels,

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and residential districts through a continuous pedestrian environment.

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the landscape concept is organized around
a tree hierarchy that provides botanical

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wayfinding throughout the site,

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enhanced gateways, and a main entrance that creates a sense of arrival,

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and a network of paseos that extend the
landscape into the commercial and residential

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areas.

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the project also emphasizes multimodal connectivity.

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pedestrian enhancements include an extensive
walkable network of paseos and enhanced

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crossings, linking retail,
residential, and open spaces.

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bicycle infrastructure includes class 3
bike-share lanes on key streets connecting to

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the city's multi-use
trail system.

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and the site is within immediate walking
distance of multiple octa bus stops and the

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laguna hills
transportation center.

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a bit on the affordable housing: rather
than distributing affordable units piecemeal

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across multiple buildings,
the project consolidates them.

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a fully entitled, development-ready pad
is transferred to a qualified affordable

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housing developer.

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this approach helps the city ensure
that it meets its rhna obligations for

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lower-income units.

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turning to parking, the project is required
to provide 3,671 parking spaces under the

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laguna hills municipal code
and the urban village specific plan.

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and it provides 4,013, a surplus of 342 spaces.

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the uvsp requires developments with
construction costs of at least $250,000 to

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provide public art or contribute
to the city's public art in-lieu

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fund.

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the applicant has already paid $350,000 to the fund and holds a $300,000 prior credit.

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under the amended and restated development
agreement, the applicant must contribute

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0.5% of total construction costs for those
non-residential and multifamily uses to

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the fund.

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any amount above $650,000 must be satisfied through installation of actual public art.

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notably, in 2023, the city council commissioned
brittany ryan studios to create five

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figures on patrol.

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a tribute to the u.s.

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3rd battalion, 5th marines, known as
team dark horse, consisting of 50-inch

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sculptures depicting marines
on patrol in afghanistan.

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that artwork will be displayed at the village
park, externally illuminated and framed

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with contrasting landscaping.

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architecturally, the project is designed
in a spanish colonial revival theme

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featuring smooth and sand-finished stucco
in whites and beiges, terracotta-esque tile

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roofing,

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loggia arches, wrought-iron detailing, horizontal siding, and decorative tile accents.

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building massing incorporates varying
roof heights, projections, and overhangs to

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create visual breaks and
articulate each building's form.

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the project requires a specific plan amendment
to allow single-family detached homes

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as permitted uses,

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to reduce the required building separation
for single-family detached buildings from

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10 to 6 feet, and to clarify that
development entitlements approved

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before the adoption of the city's objective design standards, or ods,

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including those approved under a development
agreement, are not subject to the ods

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standards.

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the project remains consistent with, or is
conditioned to require consistency with,

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all applicable uvsp development standards
as shown in the table and detailed

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more in the staff report.

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the project requires three conditional use
permits, one for hotel 1 and hotel 2, and

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one for

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seasonal and temporary events at the village park.

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staff's findings support all three.

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the requested uses are fully integrated
into the larger modified project and would

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create no adverse impacts.

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the master sign program establishes a
comprehensive, unified signage strategy for the

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project, including wall
signs, a freeway pylon sign,

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large entryway pylon and monument signs,
smaller secondary entryway pylon signs,

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tenant signs, banner graphics,
and directional signage.

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turning to environmental compliance, this
project's ceqa foundation traces back to

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the city's 2009 general plan
program environmental impact report,

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the 2002 urban village specific plan, and
the fifth addendum prepared for the 2022

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village at laguna hills project.

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in total, the program eir has been the subject of seven addenda since 2009.

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ceqa guidelines section 15162 directs
when a subsequent or supplemental eir is

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required.

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in short, no additional environmental
analysis is required if a project would not

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result in new impacts, would
not result in more severe impacts,

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and would not require new mitigation beyond
what the general plan program already

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identified.

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consistent with that standard, a ceqa
compliance memorandum was prepared confirming

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the analysis conducted in the fifth
addendum for the 2022 vlh project.

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this memo was also peer-reviewed by lsa, the city's ceqa consultant.

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that memo evaluated all ceqa topic areas
and found no new or substantially more

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severe impacts in any category.

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in fact, it found a net reduction in trips,
operational emissions, greenhouse gas

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emissions, and noise compared
to the previously approved project.

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based on that analysis, staff's determination
is that the project is a modification

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of the previously approved 2022
village at laguna hills project,

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that it will not result in any new significant
impacts or a substantial increase in

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the severity of previously
identified impacts,

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and that the mitigation measures identified
in the fifth addendum remain applicable

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and have been incorporated into the
project's design and conditions of approval.

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the uvsp manages cumulative impacts through a peak-hour trip budget.

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the specific plan established a starting budget of 1,243 a.m.

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peak-hour trips and 2,272 p.m.

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peak-hour trips, calibrated to ensure that
development within the plan area does not

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exceed the intersection level
of service standards in the city's

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2009 general plan circulation element while
still allowing flexibility in the mix of

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land uses.

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that are built.

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according to the updated trip generation and vmt screening report prepared by llg, the

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2026 modified project generates fewer trips than the 2022 approved project.

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after accounting for this project and all
prior approvals within the plan area, 276

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a.m.

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peak-hour trips and 3,452 p.m.

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peak-hour trips remain in the uvsp budget for future development.

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given the scale and long-term nature of this project,

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staff recommends that the city council
convert the existing village at laguna hills

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ad hoc committee into a standing
committee to monitor and oversee

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implementation going forward.

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as a standing committee, this body would
be a legislative body under the brown act,

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following standard agenda
and meeting procedures.

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it would serve as a liaison between city staff, mgp, and the city council,

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provide guidance and input on implementation
of the da and the project, and report

473
00:39:16,020 --> 00:39:17,000
back to council.

474
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,000
though it would hold no independent decision-making authority.

475
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:26,223
it would continue in existence until the
council takes separate action and would be

476
00:39:26,223 --> 00:39:30,000
composed of the same two
council members who currently serve

477
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,000
on the ad hoc committee.

478
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,000
with that, we'll close with staff's recommendation.

479
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:43,100
staff recommends that the planning agency
and city council, first, conduct this joint

480
00:39:43,100 --> 00:39:44,000
public hearing.

481
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:50,008
second, adopt a joint resolution approving
the site development permit, master sign

482
00:39:50,008 --> 00:39:52,000
program, conditional
use permits,

483
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:57,000
and the amended vesting tentative map no. 19123 under application u-0239-2025.

484
00:40:03,000 --> 00:40:08,613
third, introduce for first reading an
ordinance amending and restating the

485
00:40:08,613 --> 00:40:14,000
development agreement between the
city and mgp fund x laguna hills llc.

486
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:20,436
and fourth, introduce for first reading
an ordinance adopting an amendment to the

487
00:40:20,436 --> 00:40:25,000
urban village specific plan for
the village at laguna hills project.

488
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,000
and with that, staff will be available to answer any questions.

489
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:30,000
thank you.

490
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:36,266
all right, we are going to postpone
those questions until the 6 o'clock meeting

491
00:40:36,266 --> 00:40:38,000
because, as I said before,

492
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:43,000
we're going to go to public speakers first after both of these presentations.

493
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:52,785
and so we're right on time, and I would
like to now request that mgp fund x laguna

494
00:40:52,785 --> 00:40:56,000
hills make their presentation.

495
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:06,000
thank you, mayor caskey.

496
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:11,000
thank you, council members pezold, wheeler, mathis, and sweeney.

497
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:16,720
I also want to thank staff and the city's
consultants for working with us over the

498
00:41:16,720 --> 00:41:17,000
past

499
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:21,000
couple of years and even extending beyond that.

500
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,000
I also have with me today and would like to thank our project team.

501
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,383
these are industry professionals that
are excellent at what they do, and we have

502
00:41:30,383 --> 00:41:34,000
representatives here to answer
questions should they come up later

503
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:35,000
on in the presentation.

504
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,000
as was mentioned, we don't need to go into detail,

505
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:44,360
but there has been a considerable amount
of process that has taken place. Really,

506
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:48,000
since 2023, we started
internally looking at this plan,

507
00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:53,503
how we could make it feasible, how we could
expedite the desires of ourselves and the

508
00:41:53,503 --> 00:41:57,000
city to see something come
to fruition, and appreciate

509
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,740
the ability to work with the ad hoc
committee and with staff to work through the

510
00:42:01,740 --> 00:42:05,000
questions and the iterative
nature of the site planning

511
00:42:05,000 --> 00:42:07,000
exercise, which I think has been very fruitful.

512
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:12,000
we've held two community outreach meetings.

513
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:15,000
one was, I can't believe it was last august, but it was last august.

514
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,000
we had, I think, over 140 people attend.

515
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:20,000
and subsequent to that, we had

516
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,765
made ourselves available by posting all
those materials on our website, and we

517
00:42:25,765 --> 00:42:29,000
continued to receive emails with
questions, and we tried to respond

518
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:30,000
to those since then.

519
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:33,000
we also had a virtual meeting earlier this year.

520
00:42:33,000 --> 00:42:39,583
and throughout this process, we've been
iterating and making revisions to the site

521
00:42:39,583 --> 00:42:44,000
plan, updating our analysis,
and really being tasked by

522
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:51,853
the ad hoc committee and staff with responding
to very specific questions, and it's

523
00:42:51,853 --> 00:42:54,000
led to where we are today.

524
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:59,000
this is a snapshot of the overall process that we've been on.

525
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:06,018
the green row up top is just a reflection
of when we acquired the property back in

526
00:43:06,018 --> 00:43:08,000
2014, all the way to today,

527
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:11,000
the milestone in 2022 on the development agreement.

528
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:17,882
the pink or purple line is the fees that
have been paid and will be paid over a

529
00:43:17,882 --> 00:43:19,000
period of time.

530
00:43:20,000 --> 00:43:24,000
as was mentioned, we've already paid $8.7 million in fees, which isn't insignificant,

531
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:29,000
and we're actually in compliance with the terms of that 2022 development agreement.

532
00:43:30,000 --> 00:43:33,565
the blue line reflects the process going
forward for construction and other permit

533
00:43:33,565 --> 00:43:34,000
approvals.

534
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:39,894
we actually submitted a couple of weeks ago
our initial plans for the core and shell

535
00:43:39,894 --> 00:43:42,000
on the anchor retail building,

536
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:47,000
along with our site development work for the first hotel pad.

537
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:50,460
so we're trying to get out ahead of
this to meet the timelines that have been

538
00:43:50,460 --> 00:43:51,000
established.

539
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:55,000
and then there are ongoing mapping efforts that are articulated there at the bottom.

540
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,000
so I know this was mentioned, but I wanted to highlight a couple of things.

541
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,000
comparing the 2022 entitlement to this 2026 modified plan, it was noted that the

542
00:44:07,000 --> 00:44:11,000
increase in sales tax revenue that will come to the city.

543
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:15,000
I also wanted to point out we're actually providing a larger community open space.

544
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:20,125
that village park is increased by about a
half an acre, and we also added almost a

545
00:44:20,125 --> 00:44:22,000
0.7-acre dog park in the plan.

546
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:28,783
and it was mentioned there are walking
trails throughout the site, so about 16% of

547
00:44:28,783 --> 00:44:31,000
the 68-acre site is
usable open space.

548
00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:43,707
because we removed the 465,000 square feet
of office, that traffic reduction of 25%

549
00:44:43,707 --> 00:44:45,000
is worth noting.

550
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:50,000
and then we are paying slightly more in impact fees.

551
00:44:51,000 --> 00:44:54,596
so since we met with the community, I just
wanted to highlight what has changed in

552
00:44:54,596 --> 00:44:56,000
the site plan since last summer.

553
00:44:57,000 --> 00:45:02,796
and this is based on the process that I
mentioned in working with the ad hoc

554
00:45:02,796 --> 00:45:06,000
committee and trying
to make the plan even

555
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:06,000
better, right?

556
00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:09,724
and so what I've highlighted here are
just the components of the plan that have

557
00:45:09,724 --> 00:45:10,000
changed.

558
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:10,000
so this is the 2025 plan.

559
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,000
and then this is the updated site plan.

560
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:17,000
you can see the affordable building in the southwest corner.

561
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:23,785
in the middle section, that large circle
demonstrates we distributed the for-sale

562
00:45:23,785 --> 00:45:29,000
product types more evenly between
the phases, which actually opens it up.

563
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:34,434
it makes the site, I guess, more porous and
creates opportunities for more pedestrian

564
00:45:34,434 --> 00:45:36,000
connectivity through the site.

565
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:41,678
we expanded that residential building along
carlotta, and then we moved the townhomes

566
00:45:41,678 --> 00:45:43,000
next to the first hotel.

567
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:47,000
so this is the final site plan that we have in front of you today.

568
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:53,773
this is a rendering of the senior affordable
building that will sit there at the

569
00:45:53,773 --> 00:45:55,000
southwest corner.

570
00:45:55,000 --> 00:45:57,000
we also have some images here.

571
00:45:57,000 --> 00:46:00,000
there will be several different for-sale product types,

572
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:05,708
which will allow the velocity of those units
to be sold faster and bring more people

573
00:46:05,708 --> 00:46:07,000
into the community.

574
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:12,330
more quickly, and so there are these
duplex units, there are three-story

575
00:46:12,330 --> 00:46:16,000
single-family detached units
that can be up to four bedrooms,

576
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:21,552
and then there's motor court residences
that have a shared drive, kind of like a

577
00:46:21,552 --> 00:46:24,000
u-shaped building,
that are really popular,

578
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:29,000
and then standard row townhomes, so these are row townhomes.

579
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:33,000
this is just a different look at the phasing.

580
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:37,000
so the light blue is the required first phase of the project.

581
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:41,000
so the affordable, the first hotel, and then the anchor retail buildings.

582
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:46,968
early on in this reboot of the project,
we knew it was critical to go and find an

583
00:46:46,968 --> 00:46:48,000
anchor tenant.

584
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,000
and I'm pleased to share we signed a lease with whole foods

585
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,000
to anchor this project.

586
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:57,000
and they'll sit adjacent to a relocated nordstrom rack.

587
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,000
I'll get back to that relocation because it triggers the second phase.

588
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:07,979
so once we've started the light blue, that
allows us to move forward with what you

589
00:47:07,979 --> 00:47:09,000
see in orange,

590
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,000
which is the first phase of the residential component of the project.

591
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:14,000
so those can move forward concurrently.

592
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,000
that's pretty important for the retailers.

593
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:22,000
they want to see houses being occupied adjacent to the retail.

594
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:26,000
it'll create a much healthier retail leasing environment.

595
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:32,000
and then once we relocate that nordstrom rack into that anchor building,

596
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:37,335
we'll immediately commence the second phase
of the required improvements you see in

597
00:47:37,335 --> 00:47:41,000
green, which are the village
park, the associated retail,

598
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:44,000
the first multifamily building, and the second hotel.

599
00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:50,588
and we can't start on what you see in pink
until we move forward with those elements

600
00:47:50,588 --> 00:47:52,000
that are in green.

601
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:57,000
so those were the core phases that were agreed to.

602
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:02,000
it took quite a few iterations, and this is what we landed on.

603
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:06,000
here's a few renderings.

604
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:10,900
this is looking from the northeast corner
that I think everyone's familiar with, the

605
00:48:10,900 --> 00:48:13,000
intersection off
of I-5 and el toro.

606
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:18,857
you can see the shopping center feel in
front of the whole foods with that surface

607
00:48:18,857 --> 00:48:21,000
parking that they really need.

608
00:48:21,000 --> 00:48:25,000
plus, we have to preserve the parking for the in-n-out and king's fish house.

609
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:30,118
and then here from the northwest corner,
this is looking over the medical center,

610
00:48:30,118 --> 00:48:32,000
more down into
the village park area.

611
00:48:32,000 --> 00:48:36,000
you can see there is visibility from el toro to that village park,

612
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:41,406
but that it really sits adjacent to this
employment center that we think is pretty

613
00:48:41,406 --> 00:48:42,000
critical.

614
00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:47,019
and then here's from the southwest corner
looking over the transit center and that

615
00:48:47,019 --> 00:48:48,000
affordable building.

616
00:48:49,000 --> 00:48:52,695
and then this is from the southeast corner
looking at the multifamily buildings along

617
00:48:52,695 --> 00:48:54,000
carlotta and that first hotel.

618
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:59,000
some things were already mentioned about this village park.

619
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:04,543
a lot of feedback, I'd say, in our
community outreach has been related to this

620
00:49:04,543 --> 00:49:06,000
component of the project.

621
00:49:06,000 --> 00:49:10,711
and we've also worked, as was mentioned,
trying to incorporate these patriotic

622
00:49:10,711 --> 00:49:15,000
theming elements, including the
statues that are beautiful, by the way,

623
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,381
that are being commissioned right now, and
incorporating those into this component of

624
00:49:19,381 --> 00:49:20,000
the project.

625
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:27,714
this really will become the activity
center of the project and hopefully for the

626
00:49:27,714 --> 00:49:29,000
broader community.

627
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,000
I wish the jumbotron were working today.

628
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:35,000
it'd be great to go watch some world cup games,

629
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:39,000
but that's what it's intended to do: have those types of viewing opportunities.

630
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:43,000
plus, it's a stage for performances, movies in the park.

631
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:48,375
and then there's enough space there
for an ice-skating rink for tree-lighting

632
00:49:48,375 --> 00:49:49,000
ceremonies.

633
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,000
and this village drive, you can see a different paving pattern.

634
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:59,384
we're able to put bollards on both ends
of that drive and create functional, usable

635
00:49:59,384 --> 00:50:03,000
space for farmers markets
or food trucks or car

636
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,000
shows, whatever the city would like.

637
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:12,000
this is another rendering of the village park.

638
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,441
and then just from another direction, you
can see the medical center right there on

639
00:50:15,441 --> 00:50:16,000
our left-hand side.

640
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:21,000
as was mentioned, when you talk about this, traffic has seen a reduction.

641
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:25,000
we do have llg here to answer any questions on the traffic.

642
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,000
fiscal impact has been addressed.

643
00:50:31,000 --> 00:50:37,000
the affordable housing will include at
least 200 units between 30% and 70% of area

644
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:40,000
median income, with
at least 10% of those

645
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:44,655
units at or below 30% ami, and there'll
be a mix of studio, one-, and two-bedroom

646
00:50:44,655 --> 00:50:45,000
units.

647
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:50,931
the building will be developed, owned,
and operated by an affordable housing

648
00:50:50,931 --> 00:50:53,000
developer, who is
actually meta housing.

649
00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:55,000
they're here today to answer questions as well.

650
00:50:56,000 --> 00:51:01,419
and I know that there's a lot of questions
about waitlists and things like that, and

651
00:51:01,419 --> 00:51:02,000
that will

652
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:07,151
be addressed, and there will be significant
notice to the broader community when that

653
00:51:07,151 --> 00:51:08,000
time has come.

654
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:15,364
parking will be handled in the multifamily
buildings and parking structures within

655
00:51:15,364 --> 00:51:17,000
their respective parcels.

656
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:23,000
the affordable building will park both within a parking structure and on its parcel.

657
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:27,905
and then the townhomes and single-family
units have two-car garages, and there are

658
00:51:27,905 --> 00:51:30,000
street parking
stalls for visitors.

659
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:34,312
the commercial and the hotel components
will be served with parking in their

660
00:51:34,312 --> 00:51:38,000
respective surface parking lots
and some of the adjacent streets.

661
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:46,075
the market-rate housing will be a mix of
the for-sale product types that I showed

662
00:51:46,075 --> 00:51:49,000
some renderings of,
and the prices will

663
00:51:49,000 --> 00:51:54,409
really depend on the product types and will
be determined when we come to market, and

664
00:51:54,409 --> 00:51:56,000
that will also be broadly

665
00:51:58,000 --> 00:51:59,000
shared with the community.

666
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:04,171
there will be all the way from two-bedroom
townhomes to four-bedroom, three-story,

667
00:52:04,171 --> 00:52:06,000
single-family detached homes.

668
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:13,000
so it'll hit a range of price points that will be unique to this market.

669
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,000
and the retail, as was mentioned, we have whole foods and nordstrom rack.

670
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:19,000
the existing restaurants remain.

671
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:23,837
and then the balance of shops and pad
buildings will be leased to the types of

672
00:52:23,837 --> 00:52:27,000
retailers you would
anticipate seeing in a grocery,

673
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:30,000
drug-anchored lifestyle center in orange county.

674
00:52:31,000 --> 00:52:35,000
and our in-house leasing experts will be running the leasing on that.

675
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:40,722
there's already a large list of tenants who
are interested and waiting for this night

676
00:52:40,722 --> 00:52:44,000
to move us forward so we can
move forward with the leasing.

677
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:49,000
two hotels are already secured for hotel 1 and hotel 2.

678
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:52,000
they are upscale.

679
00:52:53,000 --> 00:52:57,047
the first, as was mentioned, would like to
open before the olympics, and we're trying

680
00:52:57,047 --> 00:52:58,000
to accommodate that.

681
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:02,000
they're even going at risk on some of their plans to accommodate that.

682
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:08,204
and then the second will begin once the
nordstrom rack is relocated and we start that

683
00:53:08,204 --> 00:53:09,000
second phase.

684
00:53:09,000 --> 00:53:11,000
they're not here, but they did submit a letter.

685
00:53:11,000 --> 00:53:13,000
hopefully you guys were able to see that.

686
00:53:14,000 --> 00:53:16,000
that's the extent of my presentation.

687
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:21,000
as mentioned, I have members of my team here to answer any questions.

688
00:53:22,000 --> 00:53:25,000
and again, I appreciate the time and attention to this.

689
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,000
it's been a lot of work, many, many meetings,

690
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:33,560
and we're pleased with the outcome and hope
that the rest of the council is pleased

691
00:53:33,560 --> 00:53:34,000
as well.

692
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:35,000
so thank you.

693
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:37,000
thank you, mr.

694
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:37,000
william.

695
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:45,750
we will not be taking questions quite yet,
but I'm sure you and your group of people

696
00:53:45,750 --> 00:53:48,000
supporting you will be here.

697
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:55,000
we'll come back right after public speakers and dig into any questions,

698
00:53:55,000 --> 00:54:03,000
clarifications that we have for your group and also for the staff report.

699
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:10,000
so with that, we're going to open the public hearing.

700
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:17,000
and the purpose of this public hearing is to solicit public testimony and input.

701
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:23,347
there will be no discussion, no debate, no
personal opinions of council members at

702
00:54:23,347 --> 00:54:24,000
this time.

703
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:32,085
if you are participating remotely, by the
way, and we do have some, and wish to speak

704
00:54:32,085 --> 00:54:34,000
regarding this item, dial star 9

705
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:42,118
on a telephone now to raise your hand to
indicate you wish to speak, and you will be

706
00:54:42,118 --> 00:54:45,000
identified by the
last four digits

707
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:51,120
of your phone number. When you have been
recognized to speak, you will dial star 6 to

708
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:54,000
unmute yourself. I
also want to announce

709
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:59,333
that each speaker will receive three
minutes. You will be allowed to finish your

710
00:54:59,333 --> 00:55:03,000
sentence if you run out of
time. To improve the meeting

711
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:05,000
efficiency, the city clerk will call

712
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:09,951
for the current speaker and for the next
speaker so that they can begin to make their

713
00:55:09,951 --> 00:55:11,000
way to the podium.

714
00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:16,343
that is for those of you who are in this
room, or the next, or even possibly the next;

715
00:55:16,343 --> 00:55:17,000
I don't know.

716
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:21,000
but we did set up for potentially a larger crowd.

717
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:30,534
so we will, just so you know, be going
with those folks who are actually in these

718
00:55:30,534 --> 00:55:31,000
rooms

719
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:37,000
in person first; then we will go to the telephone

720
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,000
line, and at the very last,

721
00:55:39,000 --> 00:55:42,000
because we have received a number of

722
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:43,000
quite a number of

723
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:45,000
of

724
00:55:45,000 --> 00:55:46,000
uh...

725
00:55:46,000 --> 00:55:48,000
basically, positions

726
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:50,000
online,

727
00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:54,000
we will ask her to read the names

728
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:54,000
of

729
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:55,000
of

730
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,000
those commenting and not the comments themselves.

731
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,000
otherwise, we'll be here until 3 in the morning.

732
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:10,612
and I want to also point out that council
members may ask questions of any public

733
00:56:10,612 --> 00:56:12,000
speaker as we go.

734
00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:16,000
so we weren't doing that up to this point, but at this point,

735
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:23,000
our agency members will be able to ask questions of people speaking.

736
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,000
and so with that,

737
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:33,000
we will start, and I am going to turn to joshua to begin that process.

738
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:34,000
yes, thank you, mr.

739
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:34,000
mayor.

740
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:37,000
I do want to clarify, if you are participating remotely,

741
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:41,722
it would be dial star 9 to raise your hand
to indicate that you wish to speak at that

742
00:56:41,722 --> 00:56:42,000
time.

743
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:48,068
the first speaker we have is sheila kaneshiro,
ceo of saddleback medical center, and

744
00:56:48,068 --> 00:56:50,000
the next one will be rona henry.

745
00:56:57,000 --> 00:57:01,462
good evening, mayor caskey, mayor pro tem
mathis, and members of the city council.

746
00:57:01,462 --> 00:57:05,000
thank you for the opportunity
to share my support for the village

747
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:10,000
at laguna hills development project, being the largest employer in laguna hills.

748
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:15,902
thank you for this opportunity and highlighting
that. I also appreciate stating again

749
00:57:15,902 --> 00:57:20,000
the priorities that the
development, we believe, does meet.

750
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:26,193
my name is sheila kaneshiro, and I serve
as the ceo at memorialcare saddleback

751
00:57:26,193 --> 00:57:27,000
medical center.

752
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:28,000
I'll share very quickly.

753
00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:33,000
we have town halls about every couple of months to inform and update our teams.

754
00:57:34,000 --> 00:57:37,720
and we've had the pleasure of having
mayor don caskey, as well as merlone geier,

755
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:38,000
there.

756
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:44,444
and I can tell you that since my time
serving as a ceo for about a year, this

757
00:57:44,444 --> 00:57:46,000
question does come up.

758
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,000
what is going on with the development across the street?

759
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:56,000
so I want to thank both the staff from the city and the developer for their time.

760
00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:01,000
we want to revitalize that area, first and foremost, for safety.

761
00:58:01,000 --> 00:58:03,000
there's definitely opportunity there.

762
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:09,179
and we share a mutual commitment to serve
our community, and right now we're not

763
00:58:09,179 --> 00:58:12,000
necessarily doing that
with a vacant, dilapidated lot.

764
00:58:13,000 --> 00:58:17,000
and you mentioned housing, which is a key focus for us.

765
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:22,533
we have staff traveling from outside the
community that are eager to hear about the

766
00:58:22,533 --> 00:58:24,000
housing opportunities.

767
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:27,000
and we consider the social drivers of health.

768
00:58:28,000 --> 00:58:33,394
and we're thrilled to hear that it is also
serving and providing affordable housing,

769
00:58:33,394 --> 00:58:35,000
not only for our seniors,

770
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:40,000
because we have a special relationship with laguna woods, but also for veterans.

771
00:58:42,000 --> 00:58:46,593
you can imagine how expensive it is,
and we live it every day in terms of south

772
00:58:46,593 --> 00:58:47,000
county,

773
00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:50,818
what this opportunity would provide for our
own staff because they are driving quite

774
00:58:50,818 --> 00:58:51,000
far.

775
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:56,900
the hotels will provide a special experience
for our patients and their families who

776
00:58:56,900 --> 00:58:59,000
have extended
stays at the hospital.

777
00:59:00,000 --> 00:59:02,000
and just think of the green spaces that it will provide.

778
00:59:03,000 --> 00:59:09,488
having a stressful day taking care of
patients, it provides that opportunity for them

779
00:59:09,488 --> 00:59:13,000
to take a break and
visit those areas and have

780
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:14,000
some well-being for themselves.

781
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:20,000
and then in terms of the health system,

782
00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:27,000
we want to make sure that we can provide an opportunity for not only laguna hills,

783
00:59:28,000 --> 00:59:33,106
but we serve the outlying communities
in terms of laguna niguel, dana point, and

784
00:59:33,106 --> 00:59:34,000
mission viejo.

785
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:40,000
you can imagine what that would do to open that up in terms of this development.

786
00:59:40,000 --> 00:59:44,301
so for all these reasons, I respectfully
request your approval of the village at

787
00:59:44,301 --> 00:59:45,000
laguna hills.

788
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:46,000
thank you.

789
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,000
hang on just a second.

790
00:59:49,000 --> 00:59:51,000
thank you, sheila.

791
00:59:51,000 --> 00:59:53,000
any questions from the council?

792
00:59:56,000 --> 00:59:56,000
yes.

793
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:57,000
all right.

794
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:57,000
thank you, mayor.

795
00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:58,000
hi.

796
00:59:59,000 --> 00:59:59,000
thank you for coming out.

797
00:59:59,000 --> 01:00:03,000
I want to say thank you for all that you're doing over at the hospital.

798
01:00:03,000 --> 01:00:07,767
and as our largest employer, as well as
a staple in our community, you guys are

799
01:00:07,767 --> 01:00:10,000
pretty much baked
into our community.

800
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:16,000
and we respect everything that you're doing over there and for all of your service.

801
01:00:16,000 --> 01:00:21,013
my question is, is there anything that your
staff or employees have come up with of

802
01:00:21,013 --> 01:00:25,000
something that they wanted to
see specifically at the development?

803
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:30,000
was there kind of an overall theme that they wanted to kind of see?

804
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:34,790
they're interested in the green space,
the ability to visit during their breaks,

805
01:00:34,790 --> 01:00:39,640
after work, before work, providing
convenience, walking opportunities, and retail

806
01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:40,000
space.

807
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:42,000
when we shared whole foods...

808
01:00:43,000 --> 01:00:45,000
the crowd went wild, literally.

809
01:00:45,000 --> 01:00:50,441
and it's nice that you're preserving
some of the restaurants that are existing

810
01:00:50,441 --> 01:00:51,000
already.

811
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:56,958
we did have a concern in terms of traffic
because we want to make sure the access for

812
01:00:56,958 --> 01:00:59,000
our patients and
families is pretty

813
01:00:59,000 --> 01:00:59,000
seamless.

814
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:04,117
I know that peak seasons, winter, can be
a little bit difficult, especially when you

815
01:01:04,117 --> 01:01:05,000
have the holidays.

816
01:01:06,000 --> 01:01:09,000
so that's just something for everyone to consider.

817
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:13,000
we want to ensure that we have seamless access to the medical center.

818
01:01:13,000 --> 01:01:14,000
all right.

819
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:17,000
well, thank you again for coming out, and thank you for taking the time to do this.

820
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:18,000
thank you.

821
01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:20,000
thank you, ms.

822
01:01:20,000 --> 01:01:21,000
kaneshiro.

823
01:01:21,000 --> 01:01:26,928
by the way, it was a great pleasure of mine
to be able to participate in three town

824
01:01:26,928 --> 01:01:29,000
halls in the month of october

825
01:01:30,000 --> 01:01:35,300
last year at saddleback, answering
their questions, not selling anything, just

826
01:01:35,300 --> 01:01:37,000
telling them where it is.

827
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:43,460
and there were plenty of questions going,
you name it, way beyond this particular

828
01:01:43,460 --> 01:01:44,000
project.

829
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:51,000
but I really appreciate the ceo making an appearance this afternoon.

830
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:52,000
thank you very much.

831
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:53,000
next.

832
01:01:54,000 --> 01:01:55,000
yes, we have rona henry.

833
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,000
and then up next will be john noell.

834
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:01,000
good afternoon.

835
01:02:02,000 --> 01:02:06,000
my name is rona henry, and I'm here on behalf of welcoming neighbors home.

836
01:02:06,000 --> 01:02:10,080
we're a coalition of residents who believe
that the lack of affordable housing is one

837
01:02:10,080 --> 01:02:12,000
of the most critical
issues of our time.

838
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:16,612
we're here because we understand that this
city council can play an important role in

839
01:02:16,612 --> 01:02:19,000
solving the housing
crisis in our community.

840
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:22,440
we urge you to vote yes for the revised
development agreement for the village at

841
01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:23,000
laguna hills.

842
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:26,000
here are the benefits we see in the revised plan.

843
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:32,000
the city's sixth-cycle rhna obligation is for 921 lower-income homes.

844
01:02:32,000 --> 01:02:37,975
this project will provide 200 affordable
homes at or below 70% of the area median

845
01:02:37,975 --> 01:02:41,000
income, or the ami,
which, by the way, is

846
01:02:41,000 --> 01:02:42,000
$118,500 for a single person in orange county right now.

847
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:50,285
and we're happy that 10% of the units will
be reserved for people at 30% of the area

848
01:02:50,285 --> 01:02:51,000
median income.

849
01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:54,000
we hope that even more can be reserved for this group.

850
01:02:56,000 --> 01:03:00,016
two hundred lower-income units is a big
improvement over the previously planned 100

851
01:03:00,016 --> 01:03:02,000
low-income and 100
moderate-income homes,

852
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,000
which were going to take many years to build.

853
01:03:06,000 --> 01:03:08,981
we love that there is accountability for
the affordable housing to be built in the

854
01:03:08,981 --> 01:03:10,000
first phase of the building.

855
01:03:11,000 --> 01:03:15,594
we really like the location of what we
understand will be the seniors-only affordable

856
01:03:15,594 --> 01:03:17,000
building by the bus depot.

857
01:03:18,000 --> 01:03:22,540
seniors drive less and need public
transportation, plus it will also be close to the

858
01:03:22,540 --> 01:03:26,000
hospital and medical offices,
which seniors often have to visit.

859
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:30,000
we agree this location makes it easier to finance as well.

860
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:35,010
we would like to note that this site
would be ideal for multifamily workforce

861
01:03:35,010 --> 01:03:36,000
affordable housing.

862
01:03:37,000 --> 01:03:40,728
however, we can support senior affordable
housing because our older community members

863
01:03:40,728 --> 01:03:42,000
need more affordable options.

864
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:46,818
but we do urge you to work to facilitate
the building of multifamily workforce

865
01:03:46,818 --> 01:03:50,000
affordable housing in laguna
hills in the future because the need

866
01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,000
is so great for this type of housing.

867
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:56,170
we understand it's important to improve
this plan now so that the developer can meet

868
01:03:56,170 --> 01:03:59,000
the fall deadlines for getting
financing for the project.

869
01:04:00,000 --> 01:04:03,900
if the project is not approved now,
there is a danger that the building may be

870
01:04:03,900 --> 01:04:05,000
significantly delayed.

871
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:10,047
the revised plan is a definite improvement
over the previous plan, and we urge you to

872
01:04:10,047 --> 01:04:12,000
vote yes on the revised
development plan.

873
01:04:12,000 --> 01:04:13,000
thank you.

874
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:17,000
thank you very much, rona.

875
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:17,000
questions?

876
01:04:18,000 --> 01:04:19,000
erica.

877
01:04:19,000 --> 01:04:20,000
yes, I have a question.

878
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:28,361
ms. Henry, I know that we've seen you over
the years in laguna hills, so just out of

879
01:04:28,361 --> 01:04:29,000
curiosity:

880
01:04:29,000 --> 01:04:31,000
what is your title with...

881
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:33,000
I'm the chair of welcoming neighbors home.

882
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:36,000
you're the chair. And is it a nonprofit?

883
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:42,421
it's a—we're a ministry that started
out of tapestry unitarian universalist

884
01:04:42,421 --> 01:04:46,975
congregation; however, we have
members beyond the congregation.

885
01:04:46,975 --> 01:04:49,000
it's a ministry of a church.

886
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:51,000
a ministry of...

887
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,000
do you receive donations?

888
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:54,000
no.

889
01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:55,000
not...

890
01:04:56,000 --> 01:05:00,705
we have received donations from concerned
citizens of laguna woods, but that's a

891
01:05:00,705 --> 01:05:03,000
nonprofit organization
in laguna woods.

892
01:05:04,000 --> 01:05:05,000
thank you.

893
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:07,000
councilman wheeler.

894
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:08,000
another question.

895
01:05:09,000 --> 01:05:09,000
rona.

896
01:05:11,000 --> 01:05:11,000
don't leave yet.

897
01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,000
yeah, we also have met many times over the years.

898
01:05:18,000 --> 01:05:19,000
I need to ask you a question.

899
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,000
your organization has been here many, many times.

900
01:05:22,000 --> 01:05:27,989
and I guess rhna, which you're very familiar
with, requires about 75% of the houses

901
01:05:27,989 --> 01:05:29,000
be affordable.

902
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:33,000
I'm wondering why your organization doesn't push for more.

903
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:37,000
I mean, we get these projects, have a project here, which are like 5%, you know, 7%.

904
01:05:38,000 --> 01:05:39,000
why are you approving this?

905
01:05:39,000 --> 01:05:42,715
why aren't you fighting like mad, you
know, to have much, much higher numbers and

906
01:05:42,715 --> 01:05:44,000
approve something like this?

907
01:05:45,000 --> 01:05:51,176
we would love to have more, councilman
wheeler. What I have learned in our research,

908
01:05:51,176 --> 01:05:55,000
which started back in
2019, is that the city council

909
01:05:55,000 --> 01:05:55,000
is

910
01:05:57,000 --> 01:06:01,709
supposed to zone for the affordable housing,
but you're not necessarily responsible

911
01:06:01,709 --> 01:06:05,000
for building it. And so, when
we're talking to developers,

912
01:06:05,000 --> 01:06:09,000
we're always trying to ask for more affordable, but I think

913
01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:14,000
it's an example of what is feasible and doable.

914
01:06:15,000 --> 01:06:22,200
I would have loved—in the previous, there
was a previous development that you had

915
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:23,000
approved.

916
01:06:24,000 --> 01:06:27,000
you didn't have the inclusionary housing policy, and we didn't get very much.

917
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,881
I would urge you to have an inclusionary
housing policy like they do in mission viejo

918
01:06:30,881 --> 01:06:32,000
because they were
able to get 15%

919
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,000
in a recently approved building.

920
01:06:36,000 --> 01:06:39,000
so it's more a question of what's feasible.

921
01:06:39,000 --> 01:06:43,300
the research I've done, and what the state
says, is that if you have inclusionary

922
01:06:43,300 --> 01:06:45,000
housing policy of more than 15%,

923
01:06:45,000 --> 01:06:47,000
it's just not financially feasible.

924
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:53,000
so we're balancing what's feasible versus what our goals and our ideals are.

925
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:54,000
thank you.

926
01:06:54,000 --> 01:06:57,000
thanks.

927
01:06:57,000 --> 01:06:57,000
okay.

928
01:06:58,000 --> 01:07:00,000
thank you, for real this time.

929
01:07:02,000 --> 01:07:03,000
okay, next.

930
01:07:03,000 --> 01:07:07,000
we have john noell, and then next will be kristina kennedy.

931
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:08,000
thank you.

932
01:07:09,000 --> 01:07:10,000
thank you, mr.

933
01:07:10,000 --> 01:07:13,000
mayor and city council, for having me here.

934
01:07:13,000 --> 01:07:14,000
this is great.

935
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:21,000
I will echo sheila's comments from saddleback medical center.

936
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:23,000
we feel the same thing.

937
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:30,165
I'm vice president of media services 55
and tv6, which is the communication arm of

938
01:07:30,165 --> 01:07:32,000
laguna woods village.

939
01:07:32,000 --> 01:07:33,000
we have 18,800 people right next door.

940
01:07:36,000 --> 01:07:41,364
we have about 100 new people that move
in every month, which is a statistic that a

941
01:07:41,364 --> 01:07:43,000
lot of people don't know.

942
01:07:43,000 --> 01:07:49,000
but I also get probably three or four inquiries every two weeks, every three weeks,

943
01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:53,000
what in the world is going on next door with this mall.

944
01:07:54,000 --> 01:07:58,000
and those are from current residents as well as people that are moving in.

945
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:01,000
they see the big spot that's empty over there, and they always wonder.

946
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,000
so now I've got something to talk to them about.

947
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:08,000
we have about a billion dollars of annual disposable income.

948
01:08:09,000 --> 01:08:13,000
we have about $5 billion worth of net worth.

949
01:08:15,000 --> 01:08:21,000
we have 18,000 very active people that love to walk and ride their golf carts.

950
01:08:22,000 --> 01:08:27,824
and play golf. And this used to be one of
their spots, walking around the mall. Now

951
01:08:27,824 --> 01:08:30,000
they have, with this green area

952
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:33,000
that you have, looks pretty nice.

953
01:08:33,000 --> 01:08:37,000
I think they're going to be very excited about this.

954
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:39,000
I mean, I think that

955
01:08:39,000 --> 01:08:43,464
what I've seen, what I've heard today, is
exactly what I can take back to village

956
01:08:43,464 --> 01:08:46,000
management services,
which is a company I work

957
01:08:46,000 --> 01:08:46,000
for,

958
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:48,000
and share with them

959
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:54,318
and the mayor and the city council of
laguna woods, that this is moving ahead,

960
01:08:54,318 --> 01:08:55,000
hopefully.

961
01:08:56,000 --> 01:09:02,854
and I think it's a well-designed, mixed-use
development that fits in with what we do.

962
01:09:02,854 --> 01:09:06,000
we work with the
hospital very closely.

963
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:12,320
in fact, our residents built the hospital
back in '75 with coffee cans, walking

964
01:09:12,320 --> 01:09:14,000
around raising money.

965
01:09:14,000 --> 01:09:17,000
so we are joined at the hip with this community.

966
01:09:18,000 --> 01:09:21,000
so I hope that we get something done over here.

967
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,000
and thanks for the opportunity to say a few words.

968
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:26,000
okay.

969
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:27,000
hang on there just for a second.

970
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:30,000
are there any questions for mr.

971
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:32,000
noell from the council?

972
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:34,000
thank you.

973
01:09:34,000 --> 01:09:35,000
thank you, mr.

974
01:09:35,000 --> 01:09:35,000
mayor.

975
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:37,000
thanks again for coming out.

976
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:38,000
it's great to see you.

977
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:44,230
and a quick question for you, in the sense
that for laguna woods, how many people

978
01:09:44,230 --> 01:09:46,000
there drive golf carts?

979
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:48,000
drive golf carts?

980
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:48,000
yeah.

981
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:50,000
on any given day?

982
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,000
yeah, just any given day.

983
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:56,000
we have probably about 2,800 golf carts there.

984
01:09:56,000 --> 01:09:56,000
okay.

985
01:09:57,000 --> 01:10:01,000
and they're going to love this because it's close by and it's walkable.

986
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:02,000
it is walkable, yeah.

987
01:10:03,000 --> 01:10:05,800
I was just wondering if there was any way
in the future that we can figure out a way

988
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:06,000
to get

989
01:10:07,000 --> 01:10:10,531
the accessibility of golf carts to come
over from there, maybe over to this side at

990
01:10:10,531 --> 01:10:11,000
some point.

991
01:10:12,000 --> 01:10:13,000
so just something to think about.

992
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:13,000
absolutely.

993
01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:17,685
I mean, we have 16 buses that travel all
over this area and deliver people to the

994
01:10:17,685 --> 01:10:20,000
hospital every day,
several times a day.

995
01:10:21,000 --> 01:10:23,000
so, yes, golf carts are going to be top priority.

996
01:10:23,000 --> 01:10:24,000
awesome.

997
01:10:24,000 --> 01:10:25,000
thank you so much.

998
01:10:25,000 --> 01:10:25,000
absolutely.

999
01:10:27,000 --> 01:10:28,000
any other questions?

1000
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:29,000
thank you, mr.

1001
01:10:29,000 --> 01:10:30,000
noell.

1002
01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,000
thank you very much.

1003
01:10:31,000 --> 01:10:31,000
appreciate that.

1004
01:10:33,000 --> 01:10:34,000
all right, next up.

1005
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:37,000
we have kristina kennedy, and next will be elizabeth hansburg.

1006
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:39,000
welcome.

1007
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:40,000
thank you.

1008
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:45,358
thank you, mayor caskey, and thank
you to the rest of the council members for

1009
01:10:45,358 --> 01:10:47,000
allowing us to be here today.

1010
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:51,191
my name is kristina kennedy, and I'm
the president and ceo of the laguna hills

1011
01:10:51,191 --> 01:10:52,000
chamber of commerce.

1012
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:58,990
I grew up here in south orange county, and
for many of us, the laguna hills mall was

1013
01:10:58,990 --> 01:11:00,000
where we shopped,

1014
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:02,000
where we went to the movies,

1015
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,000
and where we went and met friends for dinner.

1016
01:11:07,000 --> 01:11:09,000
it was also a place of opportunity.

1017
01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:14,483
it provided jobs for so many people in our
community, including myself and many of my

1018
01:11:14,483 --> 01:11:15,000
friends.

1019
01:11:15,000 --> 01:11:16,000
I used to work at the broadway.

1020
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:17,000
I don't know if you guys remember that place.

1021
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:18,000
it's a long time ago.

1022
01:11:20,000 --> 01:11:23,000
anyway, the laguna hills mall wasn't just a shopping center.

1023
01:11:23,000 --> 01:11:24,000
it was a community hub.

1024
01:11:25,000 --> 01:11:29,673
and for years now, that absence has left
a hole in our community that is not just

1025
01:11:29,673 --> 01:11:31,000
affecting laguna hills.

1026
01:11:31,000 --> 01:11:35,000
it affects all of south orange county and probably beyond that.

1027
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:40,966
in my role, I am constantly asked, just
like everybody else who's spoken up here

1028
01:11:40,966 --> 01:11:43,000
today, what's going
on with the property?

1029
01:11:43,000 --> 01:11:45,000
what's going on with the laguna hills mall?

1030
01:11:45,000 --> 01:11:48,000
and they know the mall is gone, but they want to know what's next.

1031
01:11:49,000 --> 01:11:53,000
I believe that the village at laguna hills is that next chapter.

1032
01:11:54,000 --> 01:11:57,736
from the chamber's perspective, this project
is an investment in the future of laguna

1033
01:11:57,736 --> 01:11:58,000
hills.

1034
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:02,000
it brings back so much of what made the mall special.

1035
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:07,000
it brings back shopping, dining, jobs, and a place where people can gather.

1036
01:12:08,000 --> 01:12:10,000
it also takes the next step.

1037
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:14,460
the hotels will bring visitors who support
our restaurants, our retailers, and other

1038
01:12:14,460 --> 01:12:16,000
local businesses in the area.

1039
01:12:17,000 --> 01:12:22,000
and for the first time, this site also creates housing opportunities for seniors,

1040
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:25,000
families, and the workforce that keeps our businesses running.

1041
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:29,000
I've experienced firsthand why that's important.

1042
01:12:30,000 --> 01:12:35,463
over the years, I've lost really good
employees because they couldn't afford to live

1043
01:12:35,463 --> 01:12:38,000
nearby and the commute
became too much.

1044
01:12:40,000 --> 01:12:44,000
when businesses can attract and keep talented employees, everyone benefits.

1045
01:12:45,000 --> 01:12:50,595
our businesses are stronger, our residents
are better served, and our local economy

1046
01:12:50,595 --> 01:12:51,000
grows.

1047
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:58,157
years ago, this property was a place of
opportunity, and I believe that can be, once

1048
01:12:58,157 --> 01:13:00,000
again, a place of opportunity.

1049
01:13:01,000 --> 01:13:05,000
and for this reason, I respectfully ask for your support on this project.

1050
01:13:08,000 --> 01:13:09,000
any questions for ms.

1051
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:09,000
kennedy?

1052
01:13:09,000 --> 01:13:16,000
hearing none, thank you so much, kristina.

1053
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:16,000
next.

1054
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,000
we have elizabeth hansburg, and next will be john loper.

1055
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:29,540
welcome. Good evening, mayor
caskey and members of the city council.

1056
01:13:29,540 --> 01:13:35,000
I'm really thrilled to be here
tonight to lend our support for what

1057
01:13:35,000 --> 01:13:41,000
I think is an absolutely fantastic reimagined project. My name is elizabeth hansburg.

1058
01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:46,106
I'm with the housing advocacy organization
people for housing orange county. Our

1059
01:13:46,106 --> 01:13:50,000
advocacy spans from low-income,
subsidized affordable housing

1060
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:54,796
for our neighbors in need of subsidized
housing all the way up through first-time

1061
01:13:54,796 --> 01:13:59,000
homebuyer housing product that
serves the next generation. And so I can

1062
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:03,800
honestly say that, of all the projects that
I've been advocating for this year, this

1063
01:14:03,800 --> 01:14:07,000
is my favorite because it
literally encompasses the full

1064
01:14:07,000 --> 01:14:12,086
spectrum of our advocacy. So well done,
city of laguna hills; well done to the

1065
01:14:12,086 --> 01:14:13,000
applicant; and

1066
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:20,000
I am impressed by the amount of hustle that has happened to remake this project.

1067
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:26,837
mayor pro tem mathis, I really can't top
your talking points that you gave in the

1068
01:14:26,837 --> 01:14:29,000
overview that you were giving.

1069
01:14:29,000 --> 01:14:33,000
those would be all the talking points that I would call out.

1070
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:36,000
but I think it's really clear that the community wants this to happen.

1071
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:39,000
the developer wants it to happen.

1072
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:40,000
the council wants it to happen.

1073
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:44,000
the amount of risk that is being brought forward...

1074
01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:48,434
I mean, when they were saying that one of
the hotels is speculating that they can get

1075
01:14:48,434 --> 01:14:50,000
this done before the olympics,

1076
01:14:51,000 --> 01:14:55,000
there's a lot of excitement, or they wouldn't put this much capital on the line.

1077
01:14:56,000 --> 01:15:01,785
so just recognizing what that is, in terms
of the investment that's being made in

1078
01:15:01,785 --> 01:15:04,000
your city, that is not nothing.

1079
01:15:04,000 --> 01:15:05,000
that is huge.

1080
01:15:06,000 --> 01:15:09,772
so I just want to call that out, because
I don't think that there is a project, you

1081
01:15:09,772 --> 01:15:10,000
know,

1082
01:15:10,000 --> 01:15:14,000
until hoag builds on the ziggurat building, you're the only game in town.

1083
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,000
okay, so, I said all that.

1084
01:15:18,000 --> 01:15:19,000
okay, so.

1085
01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:21,000
we're a little further along.

1086
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:23,000
you're a little further along.

1087
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:24,000
indeed, indeed, indeed.

1088
01:15:25,000 --> 01:15:27,000
so I want to go fast because I don't want to go over my time.

1089
01:15:27,000 --> 01:15:31,647
but the affordable housing for seniors—seniors
are the fastest-growing group of

1090
01:15:31,647 --> 01:15:34,000
people experiencing
housing instability.

1091
01:15:34,000 --> 01:15:38,271
two hundred units of affordable
housing for seniors at a deeper level of

1092
01:15:38,271 --> 01:15:41,000
affordability than you
had in your first plan.

1093
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:42,000
total win.

1094
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:45,000
housing as a social determinant of health.

1095
01:15:45,000 --> 01:15:51,495
you heard the ceo of your hospital system
talk about the need and how having stable

1096
01:15:51,495 --> 01:15:54,000
housing impacts people's health.

1097
01:15:54,000 --> 01:16:00,042
so again, another tick mark or tally for
that affordable housing brought to you by

1098
01:16:00,042 --> 01:16:01,000
meta housing.

1099
01:16:02,000 --> 01:16:05,000
and then the part that, honestly, when I get excited about housing,

1100
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:09,903
I think about my own child, who is 19 and
eventually will get married, and I hope can

1101
01:16:09,903 --> 01:16:11,000
stay in california.

1102
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:17,257
and these townhomes would probably be
the most approachable way for her, in her

1103
01:16:17,257 --> 01:16:19,000
future, to buy a home.

1104
01:16:19,000 --> 01:16:22,000
she's probably not going to buy a full-on single-family home.

1105
01:16:22,000 --> 01:16:28,239
and so the variety of housing that you're
providing at multiple levels is not just

1106
01:16:28,239 --> 01:16:29,000
townhomes.

1107
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:33,000
it's townhomes and duplexes and some small-lot single-family.

1108
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:36,000
so I'm in support.

1109
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:36,000
out of time.

1110
01:16:37,000 --> 01:16:38,000
thank you very much.

1111
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:39,000
are there questions?

1112
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:43,000
thank you very much.

1113
01:16:43,000 --> 01:16:44,000
I have a question.

1114
01:16:44,000 --> 01:16:45,000
oh, sorry, erica.

1115
01:16:45,000 --> 01:16:50,000
so you're part of a nonprofit that supports subsidized housing.

1116
01:16:50,000 --> 01:16:50,000
I am.

1117
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:52,000
okay.

1118
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,000
and do you receive donations?

1119
01:16:55,000 --> 01:16:56,000
we receive a variety of funding.

1120
01:16:56,000 --> 01:16:57,000
we have grant funding.

1121
01:16:57,000 --> 01:16:59,000
we have donation funding.

1122
01:16:59,000 --> 01:17:02,000
anyone in here you know donated to your organization?

1123
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:08,595
we have an annual fundraiser every year,
and not this year, but in past years, yes,

1124
01:17:08,595 --> 01:17:09,000
we did

1125
01:17:09,000 --> 01:17:14,000
have support from some of the developers in the room.

1126
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:17,000
we've had support from architects in the room.

1127
01:17:17,000 --> 01:17:18,000
we've had support from...

1128
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:21,000
we've even had support from hospital systems.

1129
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:26,785
we've had funding from kaiser permanente,
providence, the samueli foundation, the

1130
01:17:26,785 --> 01:17:29,000
robert wood johnson foundation.

1131
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:34,909
so we get our support from a variety of
organizations, yes, including people that

1132
01:17:34,909 --> 01:17:36,000
build the housing,

1133
01:17:36,000 --> 01:17:39,416
but they're also the people who assemble
the land, labor, and capital and take the

1134
01:17:39,416 --> 01:17:41,000
risk to deliver
housing to the market.

1135
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:46,000
so I'm proud to say that we have drawn funding from across the spectrum,

1136
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:49,000
people that are interested in housing as a social determinant of health,

1137
01:17:50,000 --> 01:17:53,897
all the way through to the people
who really are taking the risk to make the

1138
01:17:53,897 --> 01:17:56,000
investment in this
city, in this project,

1139
01:17:57,000 --> 01:17:58,000
in this market.

1140
01:17:58,000 --> 01:17:59,000
it's not an easy market.

1141
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:04,871
and do you know where, besides the senior
building that's going to be allotted for

1142
01:18:04,871 --> 01:18:06,000
low-income housing,

1143
01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:12,000
do you know where subsidized housing will be on this project, in this project?

1144
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:18,000
so I would make the argument that by bringing more housing to south orange county,

1145
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:23,000
it's not a traditional subsidy as in money from the government.

1146
01:18:23,000 --> 01:18:27,000
but when you increase the supply of housing, econ 101,

1147
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:33,000
it provides more opportunity, more competition for housing.

1148
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:37,801
so in the big picture, we are bringing down
the cost of housing when we add housing

1149
01:18:37,801 --> 01:18:40,000
to the housing stock
of any community.

1150
01:18:41,000 --> 01:18:42,000
so it isn't a one-to-one.

1151
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:45,472
you can't say, oh, if you add five more
units here, housing prices are going to

1152
01:18:45,472 --> 01:18:46,000
settle here.

1153
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:51,205
but the more housing you can add to a
community in a way that is respectful of the

1154
01:18:51,205 --> 01:18:53,000
community and
maintains its values,

1155
01:18:54,000 --> 01:18:54,000
is a win.

1156
01:18:55,000 --> 01:19:00,463
so is it traditional in the sense of, like,
we're getting government money to offset

1157
01:19:00,463 --> 01:19:03,000
the lack of rent
that is not able to be

1158
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:06,000
paid by low-income residents?

1159
01:19:06,000 --> 01:19:07,000
no, it's not that.

1160
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:07,000
we need that.

1161
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:08,000
we absolutely do.

1162
01:19:08,000 --> 01:19:10,000
and I completely agree with welcoming neighbors home.

1163
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:12,000
we need more of it.

1164
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:16,424
but at the end of the day, the government
doesn't subsidize housing at the rate

1165
01:19:16,424 --> 01:19:19,000
needed to fund the
number of units for all the

1166
01:19:19,000 --> 01:19:20,000
people who qualify.

1167
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:23,000
in orange county right now, median income

1168
01:19:24,000 --> 01:19:27,000
for a one-person household is, I think, either $94,000 or $97,000.

1169
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:29,000
I can't remember.

1170
01:19:29,000 --> 01:19:33,732
but the threshold to be eligible for
affordable housing this year—they just released

1171
01:19:33,732 --> 01:19:37,000
new numbers in may—is $104,000
for a one-person household.

1172
01:19:40,000 --> 01:19:46,000
how is it that people who make above the median are eligible for affordable housing?

1173
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:49,000
that is not a problem of government subsidy.

1174
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:54,832
that is a problem of housing shortage
and the lack of housing that has driven the

1175
01:19:54,832 --> 01:19:58,000
cost burden so high
that when hud has to ask

1176
01:19:58,000 --> 01:20:00,000
itself, well, what should 80% be?

1177
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:07,307
well, if the median is $97,000, presumably
80% of that, which is the threshold for

1178
01:20:07,307 --> 01:20:10,000
low-income housing,
would be lower.

1179
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:14,235
but by the time they make all their adjustments
to account for high housing costs in

1180
01:20:14,235 --> 01:20:16,000
this region, we
end up at $104,000.

1181
01:20:17,000 --> 01:20:19,000
that is absolutely a result of the housing shortage.

1182
01:20:20,000 --> 01:20:23,000
so is it traditional, subsidized, government-funded affordable housing?

1183
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:24,000
no.

1184
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:29,000
but by adding new units, you're going to help bring that median, or that, sorry,

1185
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:34,354
that eligibility threshold a lot closer
to what it really ought to be, which is 80%

1186
01:20:34,354 --> 01:20:35,000
of median,

1187
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:37,000
which would not be higher than the median.

1188
01:20:38,000 --> 01:20:39,000
thank you.

1189
01:20:39,000 --> 01:20:39,000
yep.

1190
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:40,000
anybody else?

1191
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:42,000
all right.

1192
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:42,000
thanks.

1193
01:20:42,000 --> 01:20:43,000
thank you so much.

1194
01:20:44,000 --> 01:20:47,000
next, we have john loper, and then next will be phyllis roberts.

1195
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:50,000
good afternoon.

1196
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:51,000
good evening, actually.

1197
01:20:52,000 --> 01:20:53,000
I'm john loper.

1198
01:20:53,000 --> 01:20:57,000
I'm here on behalf of the fritz duda company and the owner of oakbrook village,

1199
01:20:58,000 --> 01:21:00,000
the little shopping center behind the mall that is still there.

1200
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:04,000
neighbors, our neighbors.

1201
01:21:04,000 --> 01:21:09,000
I want to thank the council, and especially
the subcommittee, because I know how hard

1202
01:21:09,000 --> 01:21:11,000
you have worked,
and this is not a

1203
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:12,000
little project.

1204
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:13,000
this is a huge project.

1205
01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:17,000
and I know you and the staff have all worked very hard on this.

1206
01:21:17,000 --> 01:21:23,000
oakbrook village is still owned by the gentleman who built it in the '80s.

1207
01:21:24,000 --> 01:21:27,000
and we've been part of the specific plan since 2002, when it first started.

1208
01:21:28,000 --> 01:21:31,000
we were the first project to do a mixed-use project.

1209
01:21:31,000 --> 01:21:34,000
and quite frankly, it's been fairly successful.

1210
01:21:36,000 --> 01:21:42,000
we have lived for the last 15 years with an empty mall between us and civilization.

1211
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:44,000
and it's been very hard with our tenants.

1212
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:48,077
it's been hard attracting new tenants because
everyone wants to know what's going to

1213
01:21:48,077 --> 01:21:49,000
happen to the mall.

1214
01:21:50,000 --> 01:21:55,000
we do think that this mix of retail and the village green, or village park, sorry,

1215
01:21:56,000 --> 01:22:00,000
having two hotels to bring in tourists and businesses,

1216
01:22:01,000 --> 01:22:06,081
the affordable senior housing, the for-sale
housing, which is a great addition, and

1217
01:22:06,081 --> 01:22:07,000
rental housing.

1218
01:22:07,000 --> 01:22:10,525
so you're providing housing for
all different types of income levels.

1219
01:22:10,525 --> 01:22:14,000
it's going to work better than the
previous two versions of the plan

1220
01:22:14,000 --> 01:22:14,000
that we have seen.

1221
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:16,000
so we're in support of the plan.

1222
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:20,000
we do appreciate condition number 24, and we want to have this on the record,

1223
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:26,068
about getting calle de caballeros built
in the very first phase, in the first three

1224
01:22:26,068 --> 01:22:29,000
years, it looks like,
based on the phasing plan.

1225
01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:32,000
we think this is critical for our access.

1226
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:34,712
it's been a real problem for our tenants to
get out of our property, through the mall

1227
01:22:34,712 --> 01:22:35,000
property,

1228
01:22:35,000 --> 01:22:37,000
and try to figure out how to get to a street.

1229
01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,000
so we appreciate you adding that.

1230
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:41,000
we want to have it on the record.

1231
01:22:42,000 --> 01:22:44,000
that is important to us.

1232
01:22:44,000 --> 01:22:48,540
we also appreciate the condition that
allows for continual work on construction

1233
01:22:48,540 --> 01:22:49,000
phasing.

1234
01:22:51,000 --> 01:22:55,000
we think caballeros is really important for access to the hospital

1235
01:22:55,000 --> 01:23:00,394
and to get people that live and work in
laguna hills around the mall during the next

1236
01:23:00,394 --> 01:23:02,000
15 years of construction.

1237
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:05,000
hopefully it won't take that long, but the da is 15 years.

1238
01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:12,000
we do hope that the third time will be a charm, and we want to see this get built.

1239
01:23:12,000 --> 01:23:14,000
we think this is the best of the plans we've seen,

1240
01:23:15,000 --> 01:23:19,829
and we're excited to hear that there are
two tenants signed up and a hotel signed up,

1241
01:23:19,829 --> 01:23:20,000
and

1242
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:23,000
very excited also to hear there's a senior housing project developer ready to go.

1243
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:28,297
so we support the project, and
we appreciate you working with us.

1244
01:23:28,297 --> 01:23:32,000
we do want to put on the
record also that a group of our

1245
01:23:32,000 --> 01:23:36,271
tenants have signed a little letter indicating
how important access is and important

1246
01:23:36,271 --> 01:23:38,000
to get something
done on the mall,

1247
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:40,000
and I will give that to the city clerk.

1248
01:23:42,000 --> 01:23:43,000
all right.

1249
01:23:43,000 --> 01:23:44,000
is that it?

1250
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:45,000
I'm sorry.

1251
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:45,000
that's it.

1252
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:46,000
any questions?

1253
01:23:46,000 --> 01:23:46,000
any questions?

1254
01:23:47,000 --> 01:23:47,000
yes, erica.

1255
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:48,000
okay.

1256
01:23:48,000 --> 01:23:49,000
so, mr.

1257
01:23:49,000 --> 01:23:54,000
loper, so you said that you own oakbrook village?

1258
01:23:55,000 --> 01:23:55,000
no.

1259
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:57,000
I represent the owner.

1260
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:57,000
okay.

1261
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:57,000
I represent.

1262
01:23:57,000 --> 01:24:03,000
the owner, the fritz duda company, is the manager of the property, and mr.

1263
01:24:03,000 --> 01:24:04,000
duda was the one who developed it.

1264
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:05,000
okay.

1265
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:05,000
okay.

1266
01:24:05,000 --> 01:24:06,000
so, mr.

1267
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:11,000
duda, do you know the square footage of retail in oakbrook village?

1268
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:13,000
I should, because I did the approvals in 2012.

1269
01:24:14,000 --> 01:24:17,000
I believe we're about 150,000 square feet and 270 apartments, if I recall.

1270
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:17,000
okay, so...

1271
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:17,000
around 270, 280.

1272
01:24:17,000 --> 01:24:19,000
okay, 150,000 square feet of retail, and you have around 200...

1273
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:20,000
270, 280 apartments.

1274
01:24:20,000 --> 01:24:21,000
270, 280 apartments, okay.

1275
01:24:21,000 --> 01:24:21,000
and...

1276
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:47,000
would you say that the retail, specifically trader joe's, is a success?

1277
01:24:47,000 --> 01:24:48,000
do you think trader joe's?

1278
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:49,000
trader joe's has been very successful.

1279
01:24:49,000 --> 01:24:53,000
we were the first trader joe's in south orange county a long time ago, in the 1980s.

1280
01:24:54,000 --> 01:24:59,000
and we relocated them a few years ago to give them a space that was 50% larger,

1281
01:24:59,000 --> 01:25:00,000
and they are doing very well in it.

1282
01:25:01,000 --> 01:25:04,000
and I believe rei is doing very well; we moved them in a couple years ago.

1283
01:25:05,000 --> 01:25:07,000
I was going to ask about rei.

1284
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:07,000
yeah.

1285
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:10,000
what's been hard is the restaurant tenants have had a hard time.

1286
01:25:10,000 --> 01:25:14,000
without the mall and without anything between el toro and the mall.

1287
01:25:15,000 --> 01:25:16,000
understood.

1288
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:16,000
yeah.

1289
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:18,000
okay.

1290
01:25:19,000 --> 01:25:23,000
so, just to clarify, 150,000 square feet of retail.

1291
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:24,000
christine, is that correct?

1292
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:25,000
yeah.

1293
01:25:25,000 --> 01:25:27,000
our property manager is here.

1294
01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:29,000
it's approximately that.

1295
01:25:30,000 --> 01:25:30,000
yes.

1296
01:25:31,000 --> 01:25:32,000
and then it is mixed-use.

1297
01:25:32,000 --> 01:25:38,185
so it has the shops on the bottom,
and it has what the vsp describes as the

1298
01:25:38,185 --> 01:25:40,000
apartments on the top.

1299
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:43,000
yes, it's a five-story building, four levels of apartments.

1300
01:25:43,000 --> 01:25:47,628
we have a level and a half of parking in
the back and about 10,000 square feet of

1301
01:25:47,628 --> 01:25:49,000
retail in that building.

1302
01:25:50,000 --> 01:25:54,270
and then we have a mix of the other
buildings that we built in the '80s that we

1303
01:25:54,270 --> 01:25:56,000
remodeled as part of it to bring

1304
01:25:56,000 --> 01:26:00,000
it up to the level of the requirements of the specific plan.

1305
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:02,000
and we did a full facelift of all the buildings.

1306
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:06,300
and then as we've built the new building,
like the new trader joe's building, and

1307
01:26:06,300 --> 01:26:08,000
hopefully soon a new restaurant.

1308
01:26:09,000 --> 01:26:11,000
we've been increasing the architecture.

1309
01:26:13,000 --> 01:26:14,000
thank you so much.

1310
01:26:14,000 --> 01:26:15,000
I appreciate it.

1311
01:26:15,000 --> 01:26:15,000
okay.

1312
01:26:16,000 --> 01:26:16,000
councilman wheeler.

1313
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:20,000
this conversation has spurred a question for me.

1314
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:23,853
since you're in oakbrook village, that's
right next door, one problem that's plagued

1315
01:26:23,853 --> 01:26:25,000
every city in california,

1316
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:32,420
and laguna's definitely not an exception,
is whenever you have a high-density project

1317
01:26:32,420 --> 01:26:36,000
near you, the way
the state works things,

1318
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:37,000
they never allow the cities to

1319
01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:39,000
require enough parking places.

1320
01:26:40,000 --> 01:26:44,378
with all of these potential buildings,
apartment complexes, and housing, wouldn't

1321
01:26:44,378 --> 01:26:46,000
that be somewhat of a problem?

1322
01:26:48,000 --> 01:26:52,666
aren't you kind of worried that all this
increased parking is going to come over and

1323
01:26:52,666 --> 01:26:55,000
dominate oakbrook
village and kind of hurt

1324
01:26:55,000 --> 01:26:56,000
your retail?

1325
01:26:57,000 --> 01:27:01,329
one of the first things I looked at when
the plan was published was how much parking

1326
01:27:01,329 --> 01:27:02,000
was provided.

1327
01:27:02,000 --> 01:27:05,867
we had a real concern about the previously
approved plan because so much of the

1328
01:27:05,867 --> 01:27:09,000
parking was in parking structures,
not anywhere near the retail.

1329
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:14,703
it appears to me that there is more
parking in the retail areas, which is good,

1330
01:27:14,703 --> 01:27:17,000
because if the restaurants
are really successful,

1331
01:27:17,000 --> 01:27:18,000
they need lots of parking.

1332
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:23,235
and it looks like, unlike some of the other
buildings approved recently in the city,

1333
01:27:23,235 --> 01:27:25,000
that the apartments
are going to...

1334
01:27:25,000 --> 01:27:30,000
the multifamily apartments have the appropriate amount of parking.

1335
01:27:30,000 --> 01:27:33,818
I didn't see in the staff report a reduction
in parking like I saw with the building

1336
01:27:33,818 --> 01:27:35,000
across the street from us.

1337
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:36,000
yeah, it was in the report.

1338
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:38,000
there's a reduction of approximately 2,000.

1339
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:43,000
yes, but in terms of the ratio of parking per apartment unit.

1340
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:47,000
well, before it was 1,500, and there was, you know, 2,000 higher.

1341
01:27:47,000 --> 01:27:51,000
now it's approximately 1,450, and it's 2,000 lower.

1342
01:27:51,000 --> 01:27:52,000
so that's a big percentage difference.

1343
01:27:53,000 --> 01:27:58,023
yeah, I believe my analysis was that most
of that had to do with the reduction of

1344
01:27:58,023 --> 01:28:01,000
office space, the 465,000
square feet of office.

1345
01:28:01,000 --> 01:28:04,000
but we are always concerned about parking.

1346
01:28:04,000 --> 01:28:09,000
and honestly, in our apartment building, we provided the parking per code.

1347
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:13,000
it comes out to around two per unit.

1348
01:28:14,000 --> 01:28:15,000
and it gets used very well.

1349
01:28:16,000 --> 01:28:17,000
a lot of people have cars here.

1350
01:28:19,000 --> 01:28:24,000
and at the rate of rents that you have to get to have a new building,

1351
01:28:24,000 --> 01:28:27,000
you tend to have higher-income people living in these buildings.

1352
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:28,000
thank you.

1353
01:28:30,000 --> 01:28:30,000
all right.

1354
01:28:31,000 --> 01:28:38,343
and hang on, I just wanted to answer
maybe one of your questions about the

1355
01:28:38,343 --> 01:28:44,000
stipulation that we deal
with the south side of the site,

1356
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:47,000
should it be approved, and that

1357
01:28:48,000 --> 01:28:52,000
that accessibility into your site be improved.

1358
01:28:53,000 --> 01:28:58,374
I would also say, just as an architect and
somebody who's been around projects that

1359
01:28:58,374 --> 01:29:02,000
are this large, maybe $700
million, something like that,

1360
01:29:03,000 --> 01:29:08,089
that street will probably have to be done
more than once during construction, just

1361
01:29:08,089 --> 01:29:12,000
because of construction traffic
and other things that will need

1362
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:16,000
to go under the street for later phases.

1363
01:29:16,000 --> 01:29:23,886
and so that which is taking place in the
very first part of the construction, if this

1364
01:29:23,886 --> 01:29:25,000
is approved,

1365
01:29:26,000 --> 01:29:30,213
will not be the only time that that
street will be addressed, just for your

1366
01:29:30,213 --> 01:29:31,000
clarification.

1367
01:29:33,000 --> 01:29:36,000
thank you, you know, for honoring us with your presence.

1368
01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:43,130
it's nice to have both the hospital and
the oakbrook site, which are the two major

1369
01:29:43,130 --> 01:29:44,000
neighbors.

1370
01:29:45,000 --> 01:29:48,770
otherwise, we've got a freeway and a small
shopping center on the other side of el

1371
01:29:48,770 --> 01:29:49,000
toro.

1372
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:55,000
so I really appreciate both of you coming tonight and giving us your opinion.

1373
01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:57,000
all right.

1374
01:29:57,000 --> 01:29:59,000
with that, thank you, mr.

1375
01:29:59,000 --> 01:29:59,000
loper.

1376
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:00,000
thank you.

1377
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:06,540
also, to you, dave, some of the questions
that you were asking at the end about

1378
01:30:06,540 --> 01:30:07,000
parking,

1379
01:30:07,000 --> 01:30:12,000
I think it would be really appropriate to ask staff in regard to...

1380
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:14,000
mr.

1381
01:30:14,000 --> 01:30:20,125
loper would not necessarily know the depth
and detail of our particular project, but

1382
01:30:20,125 --> 01:30:21,000
they should.

1383
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:24,000
okay, next speaker.

1384
01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:27,000
yes, we have phyllis roberts, and then next will be ann owens.

1385
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:30,000
hello.

1386
01:30:30,000 --> 01:30:30,000
hi.

1387
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:32,000
welcome.

1388
01:30:32,000 --> 01:30:36,000
dear members of the city council, my name is phyllis roberts,

1389
01:30:36,000 --> 01:30:41,000
and I am just a resident that's lived in laguna hills for 29 years.

1390
01:30:42,000 --> 01:30:46,000
I don't belong to any organization other than a little volunteer work I do, but

1391
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:52,000
I'm really here just to urge the city council
to approve and vote yes on the revised

1392
01:30:52,000 --> 01:30:55,000
development plan for
the village at laguna

1393
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:55,000
hills.

1394
01:30:56,000 --> 01:31:00,000
the prolonged lack of development in this area has become a blight on our community,

1395
01:31:01,000 --> 01:31:06,000
and it represents a significant loss of much-needed revenue for our city.

1396
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:11,581
I don't want to see the builder lose the
funding due to any more delays, and I think

1397
01:31:11,581 --> 01:31:13,000
it's time to move forward.

1398
01:31:15,000 --> 01:31:21,000
I'm not really sure of the specific mix of low versus very-low-income housing.

1399
01:31:21,000 --> 01:31:24,000
I believe there are other housing experts that have addressed that.

1400
01:31:25,000 --> 01:31:29,150
but I just believe that the critical need
for senior housing is a major positive in

1401
01:31:29,150 --> 01:31:30,000
the overall plan.

1402
01:31:31,000 --> 01:31:34,000
seniors are heavily impacted by the high cost of living.

1403
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:39,000
no one should have to choose between basic needs like food or medicine and housing.

1404
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:44,827
so if this approach is the quickest way to
get this project started, I fully support

1405
01:31:44,827 --> 01:31:45,000
it.

1406
01:31:45,000 --> 01:31:48,916
additionally, I hope there will be a
commitment to provide housing for

1407
01:31:48,916 --> 01:31:53,000
very-low-income individuals in the
next phase of residential development.

1408
01:31:54,000 --> 01:31:55,000
that appears to have been addressed.

1409
01:31:56,000 --> 01:32:00,381
I think it's important to have workforce
members close to local employment

1410
01:32:00,381 --> 01:32:05,000
opportunities, like the hospital and
all the retail that's going to go in, the

1411
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:10,000
hotel, which I hope happens by the time the olympics comes around.

1412
01:32:11,000 --> 01:32:18,241
anyway, I just really am excited because
I'm kind of tired of the pumpkin patch, the

1413
01:32:18,241 --> 01:32:21,000
dry lot, christmas tree lot, and

1414
01:32:21,000 --> 01:32:23,000
I've lived here long enough to see them all.

1415
01:32:23,000 --> 01:32:28,466
to see a dirt lot, and so I'm ready to
see this thing get approved, and let's move

1416
01:32:28,466 --> 01:32:29,000
forward.

1417
01:32:29,000 --> 01:32:36,000
it might not be perfect for every need, but
I think if you don't put a shovel in the

1418
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:37,000
ground soon,

1419
01:32:38,000 --> 01:32:40,000
we're back to square one again.

1420
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:44,000
so I just hope that you all approve the project and we can move forward.

1421
01:32:44,000 --> 01:32:45,000
that's it.

1422
01:32:45,000 --> 01:32:46,000
thank you.

1423
01:32:46,000 --> 01:32:47,000
any questions?

1424
01:32:48,000 --> 01:32:49,000
thank you, phyllis.

1425
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:50,000
next.

1426
01:32:52,000 --> 01:32:55,000
we have ann owens, and the next will be ana gromis.

1427
01:33:01,000 --> 01:33:03,000
hello, planning commission, and thank you.

1428
01:33:03,000 --> 01:33:10,663
I want to thank especially mayor caskey and
pro tem mathis for all your work that you

1429
01:33:10,663 --> 01:33:14,000
have done in the
last year and a half

1430
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:15,000
to bring us to where we are today.

1431
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:19,541
my name is ann owens, and I'm a retired
teacher from saddleback school district and a

1432
01:33:19,541 --> 01:33:21,000
member of welcoming
neighbors home.

1433
01:33:23,000 --> 01:33:27,565
I've worn my little blue shirt here for
many, many years as this project has started

1434
01:33:27,565 --> 01:33:28,000
out, and

1435
01:33:29,000 --> 01:33:32,000
I've been following it along into the final stage that we are at today.

1436
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:41,375
I am basically representing two of the
demographics that this project is aimed at, as

1437
01:33:41,375 --> 01:33:44,000
I am a senior, and
I was a teacher.

1438
01:33:45,000 --> 01:33:51,890
and so, being a teacher, most of my friends
have not had the incomes to afford any

1439
01:33:51,890 --> 01:33:55,000
kind of house in
orange county today.

1440
01:33:55,000 --> 01:33:59,710
when you heard what elizabeth was sharing
about a family of four, I believe, you can

1441
01:33:59,710 --> 01:34:01,000
earn $134,000 and still

1442
01:34:04,000 --> 01:34:10,000
be qualified for low-income housing, and
a teacher's salary is nowhere near that.

1443
01:34:10,000 --> 01:34:14,000
so many of my friends who
do have houses now basically

1444
01:34:14,000 --> 01:34:20,222
got there through buying a condo or townhouse
first, and since you're offering these

1445
01:34:20,222 --> 01:34:22,000
in this new development,

1446
01:34:22,000 --> 01:34:27,522
I think that's a very positive step, and I
wish you were offering more low-income

1447
01:34:27,522 --> 01:34:28,000
housing

1448
01:34:29,000 --> 01:34:33,500
for families, which I would really promote.
But since it probably is not going to

1449
01:34:33,500 --> 01:34:36,000
happen, I think this
is the next best result.

1450
01:34:38,000 --> 01:34:43,833
secondly, since I am a senior, I'm very
pleased the affordable housing piece is going

1451
01:34:43,833 --> 01:34:45,000
to be in one pad,

1452
01:34:45,000 --> 01:34:49,980
going to be near the hospital, going to be
near public transportation, and going to

1453
01:34:49,980 --> 01:34:51,000
be given priority

1454
01:34:51,000 --> 01:34:54,000
as to being in the first phase of the development.

1455
01:34:55,000 --> 01:35:01,989
I urge you to approve this, as was mentioned
in these slides earlier on, time is of

1456
01:35:01,989 --> 01:35:03,000
the essence,

1457
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:05,000
in order to get into this

1458
01:35:05,000 --> 01:35:08,000
portal in 2026 for...

1459
01:35:08,000 --> 01:35:09,000
uh...

1460
01:35:09,000 --> 01:35:14,444
financing, it's not like going to, you know,
buy a house; you go to the bank and you

1461
01:35:14,444 --> 01:35:16,000
can take out a mortgage.

1462
01:35:16,000 --> 01:35:20,864
I remember I went to a presentation
once that a nonprofit was putting out on

1463
01:35:20,864 --> 01:35:24,000
financing, and they
explained that I'm a teacher,

1464
01:35:24,000 --> 01:35:25,000
so I'm very visual.

1465
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:29,263
as a hamburger, with the bun being a layer,
the lettuce being a layer, the tomato

1466
01:35:29,263 --> 01:35:30,000
being a layer,

1467
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:33,000
and the patty being the thing that brought it all together.

1468
01:35:33,000 --> 01:35:38,251
and sometimes there were six, seven, eight,
nine, and ten different sources that meta,

1469
01:35:38,251 --> 01:35:41,000
who was supposedly
going to be building this,

1470
01:35:41,000 --> 01:35:46,020
will have to secure in order to build this,
which takes an enormous amount of time

1471
01:35:46,020 --> 01:35:47,000
and skill to do.

1472
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:52,000
so I urge you to approve this development tonight so financing can start immediately.

1473
01:35:53,000 --> 01:35:54,000
let's not put it off any longer.

1474
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:58,606
I think if you make a decision to
approve this plan, for all seniors in your

1475
01:35:58,606 --> 01:36:02,000
community, a safe, modern,
and affordable place to live.

1476
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:03,000
thank you.

1477
01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:05,000
thank you.

1478
01:36:05,000 --> 01:36:07,000
you slid right into home plate.

1479
01:36:07,000 --> 01:36:11,000
I think we have a question right over here.

1480
01:36:11,000 --> 01:36:11,000
hello.

1481
01:36:12,000 --> 01:36:12,000
welcome.

1482
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:16,000
I had to smile when you said you'd worn your shirt here to be in the meetings.

1483
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:19,000
I'm surprised it's not worn out by now after 13 years.

1484
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:25,492
my question is, this is the first evolution
or change in the project where the

1485
01:36:25,492 --> 01:36:30,000
affordable housing has been
taken from being integrated to being

1486
01:36:30,000 --> 01:36:31,000
isolated in one building.

1487
01:36:32,000 --> 01:36:34,000
I guess I'd like your perspective, your organization's.

1488
01:36:35,000 --> 01:36:38,347
in the past, I always thought that the
theory was that it was best to have people

1489
01:36:38,347 --> 01:36:40,000
with varied incomes
live together and be

1490
01:36:40,000 --> 01:36:41,000
integrated.

1491
01:36:41,000 --> 01:36:44,429
as opposed to being segregated, to avoid
things like, you know, stigmas or, "that's

1492
01:36:44,429 --> 01:36:46,000
where the poor
building is," you know.

1493
01:36:48,000 --> 01:36:49,000
isn't that a consideration?

1494
01:36:50,000 --> 01:36:51,000
I agree with you.

1495
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:55,000
I think it is a good idea to try to integrate a little affordable housing.

1496
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:58,904
if you go through irvine, they have
affordable housing in all those big, beautiful

1497
01:36:58,904 --> 01:37:00,000
buildings around there,

1498
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:04,285
and you can't tell what the affordable
apartment is from what the market-price

1499
01:37:04,285 --> 01:37:05,000
apartment is.

1500
01:37:05,000 --> 01:37:06,000
I do agree with you.

1501
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:08,000
however, I feel if we wait for that to happen,

1502
01:37:09,000 --> 01:37:13,983
for the amount of years that we're hearing
that this is going to take to accomplish,

1503
01:37:13,983 --> 01:37:16,000
at least by putting
this building,

1504
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:21,805
and it is true what elizabeth said, seniors
are the number one growing demographic

1505
01:37:21,805 --> 01:37:24,000
for needing affordable housing.

1506
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:27,000
and so I think if we can get that done in the first phase,

1507
01:37:27,000 --> 01:37:31,593
at least we know it's being accomplished
in a timely manner and will help those

1508
01:37:31,593 --> 01:37:32,000
people.

1509
01:37:33,000 --> 01:37:36,000
it'd be nice to have the best of both worlds and be able to do both.

1510
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:40,000
but if we have to make a choice, I think this is probably a very good decision.

1511
01:37:41,000 --> 01:37:42,000
thank you.

1512
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:44,000
any other questions?

1513
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:45,000
okay, thank you very much.

1514
01:37:46,000 --> 01:37:46,000
next.

1515
01:37:47,000 --> 01:37:52,000
we are, by the way, going to go about another 10 minutes or so, and then

1516
01:37:53,000 --> 01:37:59,000
I'm going to ask for a motion to continue this to 6 o'clock.

1517
01:37:59,000 --> 01:38:01,000
so we're going to take about a 20-minute break.

1518
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:08,610
everyone use the restroom, and then we'll
continue right where we left off. And so,

1519
01:38:08,610 --> 01:38:11,000
the next speaker, ana gromis,

1520
01:38:12,000 --> 01:38:17,860
and the next will be collin powers. Good
evening, mayor caskey, mayor pro tem mathis,

1521
01:38:17,860 --> 01:38:21,000
and members of the
council. Ana gromis here,

1522
01:38:21,000 --> 01:38:24,759
representing the building industry
association, specifically the orange county

1523
01:38:24,759 --> 01:38:28,566
chapter. I really agree with all the other
comments that were made this evening

1524
01:38:28,566 --> 01:38:29,000
regarding

1525
01:38:29,000 --> 01:38:31,000
the economic benefit to the city and

1526
01:38:31,000 --> 01:38:35,427
with the added retail, the added commercial
space, the restaurants, and of course the

1527
01:38:35,427 --> 01:38:36,000
two hotels.

1528
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:40,611
but the main focus of our association and
the thing I want to talk about tonight is

1529
01:38:40,611 --> 01:38:43,000
the significant impact
that this project is

1530
01:38:43,000 --> 01:38:46,000
going to have for housing in the city of laguna hills.

1531
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:50,045
this project alone
is going to reach

1532
01:38:50,045 --> 01:38:53,000
73.4% of your rhna
allocation, which is 1,985 units.

1533
01:38:53,000 --> 01:39:00,290
and the 1,457 units, including the 200
deed-restricted units, are going to make a

1534
01:39:00,290 --> 01:39:02,000
significant impact.

1535
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:06,000
really, the solution to the housing crisis is more supply.

1536
01:39:06,000 --> 01:39:09,000
so if we have more demand, we need to increase supply.

1537
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:13,354
that helps to address the affordability
issues and a number of other issues for

1538
01:39:13,354 --> 01:39:16,000
workforce housing
surrounding this neighborhood.

1539
01:39:17,000 --> 01:39:21,696
the project includes a diverse mix of
multifamily apartments, for-sale townhomes, and

1540
01:39:21,696 --> 01:39:26,005
single-family detached homes, providing
housing opportunities for individuals,

1541
01:39:26,005 --> 01:39:27,000
families, seniors,

1542
01:39:27,000 --> 01:39:31,000
and first-time homebuyers of all income levels and stages of life.

1543
01:39:32,000 --> 01:39:36,382
as you know, california continues to face
an unprecedented housing crisis across the

1544
01:39:36,382 --> 01:39:38,000
region, not just orange county.

1545
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:42,354
orange county's population is aging
at a rate that is faster than all the other

1546
01:39:42,354 --> 01:39:45,000
surrounding counties,
so I'm really happy to see

1547
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:49,358
that this project is addressing senior
housing as well. Biaoc is committed to working

1548
01:39:49,358 --> 01:39:53,000
collaboratively with local jurisdictions,
and we're really happy to see

1549
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:57,134
that laguna hills is forward-thinking and
helping to address housing needs for all

1550
01:39:57,134 --> 01:39:59,000
income levels and
all stages of life.

1551
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:00,000
thank you for your time.

1552
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:06,000
thank you. Any questions? Okay, thank you very much.

1553
01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:07,000
oh, wait a minute, erica.

1554
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:11,000
yes, I just have a question for you.

1555
01:40:11,000 --> 01:40:18,448
so I understand you mentioned that we
have a housing crisis because of numbers of

1556
01:40:18,448 --> 01:40:19,000
units.

1557
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:28,390
how, I mean, recently we've had a population
decline in california where we've lost

1558
01:40:28,390 --> 01:40:34,000
representatives, and I am wondering
how those two facts relate.

1559
01:40:35,000 --> 01:40:40,157
they work together, so we have had the mass
exodus out of california, as we say, but

1560
01:40:40,157 --> 01:40:42,000
we've also had increased costs

1561
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:46,083
of housing, and there just isn't enough
housing available for the income levels that

1562
01:40:46,083 --> 01:40:49,000
are represented across the
region. And I'd be happy to share

1563
01:40:49,000 --> 01:40:52,000
more data with you via email, if that would be appropriate. Okay,

1564
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:58,311
so are you rescinding the comment that
the crisis is because of the inventory, or

1565
01:40:58,311 --> 01:41:01,000
that...? No, I'm not.
I just want to make

1566
01:41:01,000 --> 01:41:03,829
sure I back it up with the exact data, and
I don't have that in front of me at this

1567
01:41:03,829 --> 01:41:04,000
time.

1568
01:41:05,000 --> 01:41:06,000
okay, all right.

1569
01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:07,000
I wasn't expecting questions.

1570
01:41:07,000 --> 01:41:08,000
I apologize.

1571
01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:09,000
no worries.

1572
01:41:10,000 --> 01:41:11,000
thank you.

1573
01:41:12,000 --> 01:41:12,000
all right, dave.

1574
01:41:13,000 --> 01:41:16,000
yeah, this may not be a question you can answer off the top of your head either,

1575
01:41:16,000 --> 01:41:22,372
but the places that are being offered in
this particular, you know, rendering of the

1576
01:41:22,372 --> 01:41:27,000
village there, we have the
affordable housing, which is, as I

1577
01:41:27,000 --> 01:41:28,000
said, very, very low.

1578
01:41:29,000 --> 01:41:33,473
have you studied the levels that they're
going to be in the whole project, or did you

1579
01:41:33,473 --> 01:41:35,000
sort of look at it generally?

1580
01:41:35,000 --> 01:41:38,000
so we've looked at it from a general perspective.

1581
01:41:38,000 --> 01:41:41,853
we didn't necessarily study the affordable
specifically, but we do have members that

1582
01:41:41,853 --> 01:41:43,000
specialize in affordable,

1583
01:41:43,000 --> 01:41:45,000
and we'd be happy to take a further look at that.

1584
01:41:45,000 --> 01:41:48,294
yeah, because my thought is, and this will
be a question probably for later, is that

1585
01:41:48,294 --> 01:41:49,000
of the affordable,

1586
01:41:50,000 --> 01:41:54,006
my understanding is that all the affordable
units that are at the lowest level that

1587
01:41:54,006 --> 01:41:57,000
are made available are only
for, like, studios, not for, like,

1588
01:41:58,000 --> 01:41:59,000
a family, a poor family.

1589
01:41:59,000 --> 01:42:04,000
and in the leap between that and the lowest level, I guess, townhomes,

1590
01:42:04,000 --> 01:42:09,079
is a quantum leap, and nobody will afford
those in the lower income range. But are

1591
01:42:09,079 --> 01:42:11,000
you aware of any of those data?

1592
01:42:11,000 --> 01:42:15,508
so, unfortunately, I'm not, but I'm
sure the applicant took all of that into

1593
01:42:15,508 --> 01:42:18,000
consideration. Later
they can be prepared.

1594
01:42:18,000 --> 01:42:19,000
thank you.

1595
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:20,000
thank you.

1596
01:42:20,000 --> 01:42:21,000
thank you very much.

1597
01:42:21,000 --> 01:42:26,000
yeah, next. We have collin powers, and the next will be jamal naim.

1598
01:42:31,000 --> 01:42:34,000
good evening, mayor caskey, members of the city council.

1599
01:42:34,000 --> 01:42:37,000
my name is collin powers, and I'm here tonight on behalf of the orange county realtors.

1600
01:42:37,000 --> 01:42:40,541
I am the government affairs director there,
and we are proud to represent over 14,000

1601
01:42:40,541 --> 01:42:42,000
realtors in the
orange county area.

1602
01:42:44,000 --> 01:42:47,360
I'm here tonight to acknowledge the housing
that was proposed as part of the village

1603
01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:48,000
at laguna hills.

1604
01:42:48,000 --> 01:42:51,902
according to the proposal, this project
would add approximately 1,500 new homes,

1605
01:42:51,902 --> 01:42:54,000
including both rental
and for-sale housing.

1606
01:42:55,000 --> 01:42:59,083
at a time when california continues to fall
well short of meeting its housing needs,

1607
01:42:59,083 --> 01:43:02,000
adding new housing opportunities
is incredibly welcome news.

1608
01:43:03,000 --> 01:43:05,000
orange county is an incredible place to live, work, and raise a family,

1609
01:43:06,000 --> 01:43:08,000
but too many people are finding it increasingly difficult to call it home.

1610
01:43:09,000 --> 01:43:12,329
we want teachers, first responders,
young professionals, growing families, and

1611
01:43:12,329 --> 01:43:16,000
longtime residents alike to have the opportunity
to put down roots in our communities.

1612
01:43:17,000 --> 01:43:20,669
while there are many aspects of this proposal
for you to consider, we appreciate that

1613
01:43:20,669 --> 01:43:23,000
it includes a significant
investment into new housing.

1614
01:43:24,000 --> 01:43:27,863
every community has a role to play in
addressing our housing shortage, and increasing

1615
01:43:27,863 --> 01:43:31,000
the supply of both rental and
ownership opportunities moves us in the

1616
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:31,000
right direction.

1617
01:43:32,000 --> 01:43:34,724
we appreciate the time and effort all
parties have shown in moving this project

1618
01:43:34,724 --> 01:43:35,000
forward,

1619
01:43:36,000 --> 01:43:38,000
and with that, I urge your support on this project.

1620
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:40,000
thank you for your time and your consideration.

1621
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:40,000
thank you.

1622
01:43:40,000 --> 01:43:41,000
all right.

1623
01:43:41,000 --> 01:43:42,000
any questions?

1624
01:43:43,000 --> 01:43:44,000
thank you very much.

1625
01:43:44,000 --> 01:43:45,000
appreciate it.

1626
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:48,000
and one more, and then I think I'm going to call.

1627
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:49,000
just one more?

1628
01:43:49,000 --> 01:43:50,000
okay.

1629
01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:51,000
we have jamal naim.

1630
01:43:57,000 --> 01:43:58,000
good evening.

1631
01:43:59,000 --> 01:44:03,000
I wasn't expecting to be standing here tonight.

1632
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:03,000
don't worry about that.

1633
01:44:03,000 --> 01:44:11,018
but I am very much in favor of this project,
and I was looking to see if there is any

1634
01:44:11,018 --> 01:44:13,000
access to the freeway

1635
01:44:15,000 --> 01:44:21,594
somehow, at least one way, when it's going
out of the shopping center to the freeway.

1636
01:44:21,594 --> 01:44:24,000
that would make it much easier,

1637
01:44:26,000 --> 01:44:28,000
because it's going to be a lot of traffic, I guess.

1638
01:44:29,000 --> 01:44:30,000
so that's an idea.

1639
01:44:31,000 --> 01:44:35,000
and the next center, the shopping center,

1640
01:44:37,000 --> 01:44:46,101
like what mr. Galiti mentioned, I think it
would be nice to have a common area in

1641
01:44:46,101 --> 01:44:47,000
between.

1642
01:44:47,000 --> 01:44:54,000
so it's just for—how am I going to say it?

1643
01:44:57,000 --> 01:44:59,000
because both are different.

1644
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:05,876
if there is something in between, common
between them, they invested—I'm sorry—they

1645
01:45:05,876 --> 01:45:08,000
invested something in between,

1646
01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:15,000
it makes something unique between both properties, both centers.

1647
01:45:16,000 --> 01:45:17,000
just an idea.

1648
01:45:24,000 --> 01:45:28,000
and I didn't present myself.

1649
01:45:28,000 --> 01:45:34,000
I'm just retired, and I studied civil engineering.

1650
01:45:36,000 --> 01:45:39,000
and I'm writing a book.

1651
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:41,000
could I say the name?

1652
01:45:43,000 --> 01:45:49,000
it's capitalism plus corruption equals catastrophe: the story of my business life.

1653
01:45:50,000 --> 01:45:56,180
so right now I don't have a business, I
don't have anything, but I used to have big

1654
01:45:56,180 --> 01:45:57,000
businesses.

1655
01:45:58,000 --> 01:46:01,000
but that's very important, that's my story.

1656
01:46:02,000 --> 01:46:08,000
for all my life, dealing with the big guys face to face without me knowing,

1657
01:46:09,000 --> 01:46:15,000
but they come after, and they don't want me in their businesses, many businesses.

1658
01:46:16,000 --> 01:46:18,000
so thank you very much for allowing me to speak.

1659
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:19,000
any questions?

1660
01:46:21,000 --> 01:46:21,000
hearing none.

1661
01:46:22,000 --> 01:46:23,000
okay, so...

1662
01:46:23,000 --> 01:46:24,000
I'm fine.

1663
01:46:25,000 --> 01:46:25,000
thank you.

1664
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:32,000
this is actually moving along very nicely, in my opinion.

1665
01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:34,000
we haven't had very much of anything run over, and...

1666
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:37,000
appreciate everyone's ideas.

1667
01:46:37,000 --> 01:46:40,000
we're going to get to everybody who wants to speak tonight.

1668
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:45,000
but I'm going to ask for a motion to continue this meeting until 6 o'clock.

1669
01:46:46,000 --> 01:46:50,000
and then we'll come back, and we'll start right where we left off.

1670
01:46:51,000 --> 01:46:53,000
okay, I'd like to make a motion, but can we make it 20 minutes?

1671
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:55,000
15 is a little short.

1672
01:46:56,000 --> 01:46:57,000
yeah, that's fine.

1673
01:46:57,000 --> 01:46:59,000
okay, I'll make a motion we adjourn for 20 minutes.

1674
01:46:59,000 --> 01:46:59,000
okay.

1675
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:04,000
do we have a second?

1676
01:47:04,000 --> 01:47:05,000
second.

1677
01:47:05,000 --> 01:47:06,000
all right.

1678
01:47:06,000 --> 01:47:08,000
all those in favor—we won't do a roll call for this.

1679
01:47:09,000 --> 01:47:10,000
all those in favor?

1680
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:10,000
aye.

1681
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:12,000
all right.

1682
01:47:12,000 --> 01:47:14,000
that passes unanimously.

1683
01:47:14,000 --> 01:47:21,255
and we'll allow a break, walk around
a little bit, and we'll see you back at 6

1684
01:47:21,255 --> 01:47:22,000
o'clock.

1685
01:47:32,000 --> 01:47:33,000
yeah, why don't you?