Possibly having justice Right?
Is get a lot of Good evening, everyone
and welcome to the July 15 meeting of the Laguna
Hills traffic commission.
Thank you all for being out here tonight Believe it
or not half of July is over Yeah, I hope everyone had a.
Wondered for 4th of July were out on the street that Laguna
Hills had One of the best fireworks
shows in the entire area But it's kind
of a little biased there.
Yes very good.
Very good.
We're going to go ahead and open the meeting up
with the Pledge of Allegiance.
So if everybody could stand.
And I'll ask Mr. Patel to lead us tonight
Thank you All right, everyone.
3 to 1 is a flag of the United States of America
and to the republic for which it stands.
One nation underground is a visible injustice for.
Thank you.
You can be seated OK.
At this time, we'll call for the clerk
to take roll call Let the record show we have a quorum with three
commissioners present in the chamber
Thank you Yeah My understanding tonight is.
Commission or Kipruto.
At the last moment had a family situation
that he had to deal with.
So So we're thankful that he's was able to reach out and let
us know what was going on.
OK Now, at this time, we're going to move forward
to public comment This is a time to address the traffic
commission on any matters not listed on the agenda that is
within the subject subject matter jurist
diction of the commission Public comments are
limited to Three minutes per person as determined
by the chair.
And at this time I'll call on the clerk
to call for public comment We have One request
to speak George Falcon regarding limited parking on Buckingham.
Thank you, sir If you could come forward to the podium.
Thank you for being here tonight We welcome Good.
Thank you And is George Falcon And I'm
a resident of vacation falls, which
is just off of backing him.
Street on June 11th.
I received in a number of people received parking tickets when
the parking was restricted on Becky in a park along Beckham
Park There had been really no warning about it
and i guess the no parking was placed that same day.
And that night we received parking.
Take a bunch of people received parking
tickets I did contact the city.
The city was really good about it.
You know, we've discussed it.
And I believe the tickets and take care of Will will,
you know, we'll work that out My concern
is about the need for parking in the community There
is a real need in my community.
Occasionally there's 99 homes in our home, in our place.
We have very limited.
We have actually no street parking
within the community Right.
Because we pay for part drives and parking and all that stuff.
Or driveways and streets.
And so we've been using backing them
And so, yes we are a part of the use of the street,
but also then there's, you know, others in the community
that use the parking.
So by reduce by getting eliminating that parking,
it's moving that issue or a problem somewhere else.
And so I just want to identify that that is an issue we'd like
to see if there's If the committee is there,
the traffic commission, consider other options
for parking public parking on public streets
I understand that you have on the agenda
You have the district for parking within communities.
I understand that and respect that.
But we also we have 99 homes.
We pay our property taxes.
We'd like to have the same kind of you know,
consideration for parking and not just
have things removed without any discussion.
And so we Yeah, there was no discussion,
no conversation with our community about
impure It happened.
OK Thank you so much for your comments.
We really appreciate that.
And the commission really understands
in a very high level, what you're talking about tonight.
We've been working very hard on that issue.
But thank you so much for your comments.
If you'd like to speak on the other agenda item Specifically
in regards to the parking permit program,
you can also speak on that.
Okay.
Yeah.
The only consideration if there would be a consideration
for a parking permit of for I'm begging him,
but that would be under that agenda.
Right Right.
But that will be discussed under the actual agenda item.
But thank you so much for being here tonight, sir Thank you,
Chair miller, would it be possible for city staff
to speak to the public?
Session next month regarding parking Like a reminder
about the date and time Oh, thank you Commissioner Patel.
You're referring to the August 12th special meeting?
Yeah The public forum, if you will Yeah.
So we're the.
There is going to be a floor are proposing a traffic commission
special meeting on August 12th to talk
about parking issues generally.
And so that will be held on August 12th that
has not yet been posted on the city's website
regarding that OK.
But it will be posted shortly Thank you.
Okay Thank you so much.
Clerk Are there are there any other public comments
for tonight, whether in the audience or electronic,
that came in right.
Sir, if you'd like to come speak during public comment,
you can Guidelines for what it is.
Sir, Are you talking about an agenda item or non agenda I
just.
I don't know.
Some general traffic with traffic parking It's
probably okay.
So.
So we'll be calling you up later in the meeting when we actually
take public comment on a specific agenda item Okay
So my understanding is there are no other General public comments
that moves us forward.
True agenda item 2.1, which is the approval of the May 20th
2026 regular meeting minutes.
And I'll ask the Commission if any
of those items on those minutes need to be pulled
or I would also seek a motion Motion to approve
the minutes I have a motion.
Mr. Patel and we have a Second mark
and clerk if you can take the vote
on that Chair Patel vice chair.
Patel.
Sorry, sorry.
Chair.
Miller I. I know you guys Commissioner, are or Jones.
Sorry, I I think those were It's okay Motion approved.
Thank you.
That motion moves forward.
Now, we.
We don't have any presentations for tonight.
At least I don't know of any that are on the agenda.
This is going to move us forward to our Administrative reports
And I'm going to move forward to that in the agenda
this agenda item 4.1 is the review of petitions received
regarding establishment of proposed residential parking
permit districts.
And at this time we will ask staff for a report Thank you.
Chair Miller Happy to provide the report
and our assistant engineers will be working to bring up
the presentation in just one moment on the screen
Thank you I'm going to grab a little bit of water
for a second.
Oh, yes, go ahead So quite a mouthful over there
Review of petitions received regarding
the establishment of proposed residential permit
parking for camera will.
Pending criminal.
The Avenue to Avalon lutes on stows cell
for derby Circle York Circle sunset place West
and East and Sunset place.
Next slide, please All right So at the march 18th 2026,
Traffic Commission, regular meeting,
city staff made a presentation regarding requests received
by the city from residents desiring the establishment
of residential permit parking.
That would prohibit overnight parking
on streets near Beckenham Park, Campbell Street Beckenham Street
and in the Sunset place neighborhood
without a parking permit Our residents reside
on or near Camberwell Street as well as in the Sunset
Place neighborhood.
Describe Undesirable safety, accessibility and quality
of life issues due to non resident vehicle parking and
lack of an enforceable street.
Sweeping is the basis for requesting
the establishment of a residential permit parking
district next slide, please.
So as a reminder, I'm Laguna Hills municipal code
to designate a neighborhood or a street as a permit parking area
within the city of Laguna Hills.
The municipal code requires that a city petition form
be submitted to the city with the signatures of at least 67%
of the property owner supporting the proposed
permit parking area.
Next slide, please And at that March 18 meeting,
there was also discussion of how over time the establishment
of nearby residential permit parking districts
has resulted in more parking vehicles being displaced
and other nearby streets without parking restrictions
Should a sudden without parking restrictions presumably
as a result of the lack of available parking
at or adjacent to nearby.
Multifamily housing next slide, please So currently
this is the in the area.
This is the existing residential permit parking zone
and yellow on those streets.
You cannot park overnight, unless you have a permit issued
by the city And then there is a no
parking zone overnight parking zone between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m..
And that was the red zone And then,
as was described in public comments just a short while ago,
there is the recently implemented no overnight parking
that was recommended by the traffic commission
and approved by the city council recently.
And next slide, please So back at the March 18 meeting,
in response the traffic commission
recommended that city staff.
Send out.
Petition forms to residents and all the streets.
I mentioned earlier.
And additionally, the traffic commission recommended
the establishment of an overnight parking
on streets adjacent to back in the park
and on the side of the street closest
to the park and the establishment
of no overnight parking on the south side of Beckenham
Street extending from Acacia Lane to Wilkes Place,
there was already an existing no parking zone It was.
Extended by the purple line on the previous slide.
slide, please.
And then based upon the recommendation of the traffic
commission at the city council meeting,
they approved all of that That's what this slide says Next slide,
please So the traffic commission back in March
recommends that the city staff send out parking parking permit
petitions to the homes adjacent to the streets
colored in orange.
On this map there were 308 ballots.
Petition ballots send out those petitions
as allowed for the individual returned
from the resident of a petition indicating that they
desired permit parking.
The form also allowed for canvassing
by interested community members and neighbors
to go door to door to collect signatures Next slide, please.
Here's another version of the map So the homes in red
already have existing permit parking
and then the homes in blue outlined in blue
are the 308 homes that were the subject of the recent petition
gathering process.
Next slide, please The city council is aware of the issues
regarding lack of parking and displacement so much so that
separately at the june 9th meeting,
Mayor Pro Tem pro Tem Mathis and Councilmember Wheeler requested
that city staff Return to a future city council
meeting with a report discussing parking
and street sweeping issues.
That report was attached to the Traffic Commission's agenda
packet So you have and Mayor Pro Tem Mathis also
made a motion that was seconded by Councilmember Wheeler
to take a look at.
Allowing overnight parking on the south side of Laguna Hills
drive at that time, Laguna Hills Drive
have had a prohibition on overnight parking
and you can only park on the south side
of Laguna Hills Drive between Indian Hill Lane and pasadena.
Valencia During the daytime And that historically
was done because of insufficient parking at Laguna Hills High
School With the decrease enrollment
at Laguna Hills High School And after consultation it
was determined that that no longer needed to be in place
Next slide, please So going back to the current process,
I'm doing this in chronological order.
Sorry for the ping pong approach here On June 15,
city staff mailed out those ballot petitions
that 308 properties and that ballot petition that was mailed
was attached to your staff report as an example.
And the deadline for the receipt of those ballot petitions
for that area was 5 p.m. on.
Was what time is it now?
617.
So city staff has furiously been putting together the results.
We've been telling up as we go.
And we received several petitions today
and we'll be reviewing the results of that in a moment.
Next slide, please So going back to Laguna Hills Drive
so at the June 23rd, 2026, City council regular meeting,
city staff provided that comprehensive
presentation on parking and street sweeping issues.
As I indicated that was attached to tonight's traffic
Commission Agenda report.
Specific to solving the parking issues near Beckenham Park,
Camberwell street, Beckenham Street and the Sunset
Place neighborhood.
City staff at that meeting recommended allowing parking
on the south side of Laguna Hills Drive between Indian Hill
Lane and Valencia in order to potentially decrease
the number of vehicles being parked
in the adjoining residential neighborhoods
And the city council adopted So the city council adopted
that resolution, removing overnight parking restriction
on the south side of laguna Hills Drive
and establishing a no parking during street sweeping hours.
Laguna Hills Drive is.
We'll be swept between 8 a.m. and 12 p.m. on Tuesday
is once a week so people need to move their vehicles.
So here is a map of Laguna Hills drive.
So it's a unique street on the north side of Laguna Hills Drive
at the northwest corner of the city of Valencia
in Laguna Hills Drive There's a medical office
building which also suffers from lack of parking.
So years ago on an unusual permit parking district
was established for the benefit of the medical office building
on the northwest corner And so there
is existing permit parking that's
denoted by the Orange line.
There is no parking any time as denoted by the red lines
There's existing green parking.
With the green line work for parking
adjacent to Sheep Hills Park located near Moulton
and Laguna Hills Drive.
And contrary to popular belief, sheep hills
park is not owned by the city of Laguna Hills.
It is owned and maintained by the ELISA
vale Community Association.
Back then there was some people were surmising prior
to the annexed portion of the West Side of Laguna
Hills in 2000 that that was going to be the city
of at least some Viejo.
And that did not happen Instead laugh co thought that that
should be part of the going to hills
and less severe community association has been maintaining
that park ever since and then the light blue line
on the south side of the roadway is
what the city council approved.
Conversion Converting that from no overnight parking to now
unrestricted parking except for no parking
on during the days and hours of street
sweeping, which is tuesdays again from 8 a.m. to 12 noon.
That parking is available now.
People can park out there right now that has been out
there for a little over a week.
Slide, please So now that the deadline has passed for receipt
of ballot petitions in favor of the establishment of permit
parking on all of those streets, city staff
will review the results of the petition process.
I will say that city staff worked diligently to review
the petitions specific quickly.
Julie and Sam, thank you.
Julie.
Verified the names that the names match the property
assessment rolls as required by the ordinance
and during the process, we also eliminate added
several duplicate signatures.
Some some residents submitted the petition form on their own
in the mail and then apparently maybe a canvassing process came.
Took place where more signatures were collected
And we can only count one signature per address
if there were two signatures collected per address that
doesn't count as double voting.
It doesn't count.
So all you needed was one signature per address That was
the property owners signature.
The traffic commissioners received
copies of the petitions and the maps
showing the petitions received.
We went through the process of of tallying up each one
and providing that information to the commissioners.
So they can see for themselves how that was done.
Next slide, please So the following are the results.
So these are in alphabetical order
and I want to say that in the review of these streets,
cities staff also looked at block segments,
block by block segments to try to determine
if any of the thresholds have been made for 67%.
So avenue to Avalon, one out of six homes
returned a petition of 16%.
K carmel was nine of 14 at 64%.
Camberwell as a whole from end to end was 11 of 29 at 40%.
However the segment of Camberwell, south of Hendon
to Castillo Street was 100%.
Castillo street as a whole from end to end was 13 of 25.
And then city staff also looked at Costa
between Camberwell and Woolwich, which was Seven of 12 for 58%.
Derby circle was 11 of 22 for 50%.
And one Street was 28 of 57 for 49%.
However, as a subset, there was a strong showing for Hendon East
to Camberwell, so the elbow or the 18 out of 20
being at a 90% Luton Street was 13 of 15 and 87%.
Salford Street was ten of 24, 50%.
Next slide, please Sunset Place Neighborhood was 39 of 68.
At 57%.
And we did look to see if there was a qualifying subset that
could be established either on any segment of the roadway
And what we observed generally speaking,
was that residents on the outer side of the ring road generally
returned petitions All the residents on the inner side
of the ring road did not return Post petitions
via Balboa Five of 1,145%.
Wilkes was one of 425% for the small segment.
There adjacent to the park on the opposite side
of the Purple Line, York Circle was seven of 25%.
So you can visually see how that played out.
Next slide, please I'm sorry.
This is.
So this is the review of the results.
So those segments were the ones that met the 67% threshold.
Slide, please.
And then out of the orange area, the green area met the petition
requirements of 67% Now, let that sink in for a moment
Next slide, please So the recommended action
is that the traffic commission discuss and provide
direction to city staff.
And just for reference we can go back to the previous slide
for reference here, because this is probably the most important
thing here on the screen I know I will say that I know
that there were a lot of folks that came in person
of the traffic commission meeting
desiring the implementation of permit parking and city
staff looked at all the different ways even
combining blocks with blocks that didn't
quite meet the threshold.
And there was no other way to arrive
at this If the overall desire was to implement permit parking.
But we couldn't find any way to do that.
So this is the on a block by block segment.
The best these are the segments that meet the 67% threshold.
I'm happy to receive any questions
from the Traffic Commission regarding this
And that concludes my presentation.
Thank you so much Yeah, I want to compliment staff.
You know the election ended at 5 p.m. today
and they were able to tally all this data.
And in and come up with the results.
That doesn't happen a lot in elections where
you get such quick results.
So I definitely want to compliment your staff
on a job well done, especially it just so
happened that it turned out our traffic
commission meeting was the same day as the end of the election.
And they were able to get it done.
So kudos to staff on that I'm going to open it up.
Now to Commissioner eRs for questions to Steph Curry.
Quickly, go back, slide a few slides actually to
on the percentage breakdown by street.
Yeah, this one.
Thank you I'll get back with questions OK?
Okay.
All right Mr. Jones, do you have any questions for staff?
I guess.
And i only understanding how difficult it is to get people
to sign these and the kelly you're within a couple
percentage points there.
Me I consideration and give you a little fudge factor there.
Thank you for the question, Commissioner Jones
The answer is possibly I decided to highlight that in yellow
because of how close it was.
If you go forward a couple of slides, same to the map
The only issue was, is if you give the fudge factors, as you
called Carmel and make that green,
that segment of Hendon between Kai Carmel and Camberwell
would be in the Orange.
That segment there had didn't have a whole lot of petitions
received and even trying to combine kai Carmel
within the green area East of Camberwell
still wouldn't you wouldn't be able to,
you couldn't you couldn't draw a you couldn't draw or rely
on the overabundance of enthusiasm for permit
parking and the other portion to counteract
any part of anywhere else.
And so we did that permutation to try to figure that out.
If that would be the case.
And it does not So even if you gave
a fudge factor to come by Carmel,
you'd have that gap there.
And I don't know if that's desirable or not.
That's for the commission.
The way you do any anything else?
Commissioner John OK.
I think Mr. Patel is still working on this question
so I'll, I'll basically make a couple
statements here for staff.
So, so and staff realizes this.
And I would just get some response from them
when we have such a small area coming up in the green Let's
talk about the fact that we're back
to the regular impacts of dropping that pebble in the pond
and the ripple effect.
Now going out to these other areas instead of this whole area
being approved by the proper percentage for a parking
permit program It's almost like these small areas are going
to cause these other areas that did not meet the threshold
to have other problems.
So are you, even though we're meeting the threshold old
and some of these streets it appears as though we're going
to have impacts on the streets right next door
Is that a question? you know, if you're
asking for my professional opinion, yes I would.
I would.
If you were to approve of the green streets,
then you probably would have impacts on nearby adjacent
streets with the commission is acutely aware
of the displacement effect, as is the city council It was
discussed at the June 23rd City Council meeting and I think
the Commission is well aware of the displacement effect as well.
And so you have to weigh that and whatever deliberations
we make here this evening.
Okay Thank you.
A vice chair.
Patel, are you.
Are you ready ?
OK.
Vice Chair Patel.
So I have a couple of questions on the first one
is the threshold is exactly 67% or is it 67%?
If we're one, we're two rounds.
So point six, six Six.
So those is are particular example,
because in the case of Carmel it's 64 point something percent
but that doesn't get you to 67.
So the way the municipal code is read it is it's
at least 67% or more.
So OK, Carmel, we need one more for it to get over 67%.
So I still highlighted it in yellow
because that was the closest number that was there
and the rest of them don't have any No, no amount of rounding
would get you anywhere near 67%.
Yeah Because when I remember when My neighborhood had
petition as an entire neighborhood,
some areas had more than the 67%, some were below
But combining our entire community together
we tried that.
Yeah.
And so that was over the 67%.
So kind of where I see that the point 66%
is if you look at Carmel combined with the green area,
combined with Casto street entirely,
or if we want to go above that, you would have carmel
with the subset of costs go plus the green
And I think that's over the 67%, which one are you referring to
So if we take all the green plus the yellow the nine out of 14
plus the seven out of 12, I think that got me at 69% for.
But those are all disconnected, street disconnected Okay.
So they're all that would be all disconnected streets.
And even then you still so you're adding you've got
to add up 14 three 2050, 2015.
So I'm going to go back to the slide, please.
3, three, four, ten 1735 six.
That's 52 and then you've got Nine 318 and 15.
Oh, you also in the Adam Camberwell
and Woolwich only carmel and then yeah, Cambridge well
and Woolwich, the 64.
Yeah I'm sorry.
Stop between Camberwell.
Yeah.
Yeah So to rephrase that again, the sky
Carmel next one is screen Camberwell
South and Coastal between Camberwell and Woolwich.
And then it used to control to the northeast elbow and Street.
OK so that's a total of 64 properties.
So I think that the number that you got let's double check
And so this is i think you I also got 64.
Okay Yeah.
OK So even with that, though you have disconnected.
Yeah.
Series of streets.
So if you wanted to have my the goal number we try
to put together permanent parking
is to actually have segments that connect with one another.
So I guess I should have qualified my statement earlier
So yeah, you could cherry pick out certain pieces that might
allow you to disconnect and streets with one another
to get over a threshold but you'd still wind up
with a scattering of an effect.
So that's so that's an example of you know,
how you could do that to get a scattering effect,
but it wouldn't lead to And then when you start trying to add
in the connecting streets and you
fall back below the threshold that's the problem Yes.
I mean, I um, absolutely.
I yeah, I have the desire is to try to make the whole thing,
whole and connected together.
There isn't a way of doing that right now Yeah, that's fair.
And then I was wondering if the sunset hOA
board was in the crowd.
I did have my understanding is they are.
And I'm sure when public comments are called I'm probably
going to say something.
OK Sounds good.
OK.
Anything else Okay.
Okay No other questions by Commissioner for Staff.
I'll give you one more statistic Yes or not on the screen.
When you add up all the numbers overall all
for the whole orange blob, we got 147 out of three
so it's less than 50%, 50%.
Okay.
Slightly less, 47%.
Okay At this time, we're going to ask the clerk to call forward
our public comments on this specific agenda item We
have six requests to speak The first speaker is
Alex Galvin of ski.
Next speaker will be Terry Whitley
Thank you, commissioners.
Thank you.
Happen to be here.
Alex Galasso ski 24831.
Camera will street have lived there about 38 years.
I'm part of that subset.
Camberwell South of Hendon and obviously,
if I was closed minded and just on a selfish little level,
I can see that the immediate area around my home
looks like it's potentially destined for the program
being a person in the community, though, of all these years,
I completely empathize with your comments.
Commissioner Miller it's like kicking the can
and it's the old out of sight out of mind for the homes
that have yet to experience what we've been experiencing.
The urgency isn't there.
We've been experiencing it, and it's definitely not a Laguna
hills way of life And so all i can say
is I appreciate that you're trying to look at that forward
thinking because i probably in the short term,
if there is the implement of what I see in green you can
dutifully expect that down the road it's going to mushroom out
and then it's going to develop into more
But there is the rules of the city.
So all I can say is in terms of the area that is green,
am I getting premature to ask on some
broad level what the implementation
program timeline would entail ?
OK.
That's a great question.
And let me let me how can we have
staff respond to that And I'm through with my question, sir.
Question I, I think that would be
premature to answer that question Yes,
the commission actually approves something.
And if they were to approve something theoretically,
it would have to go to city council for approval Okay.
So the recommendation of the city council for approval,
and if they approved of it it would
take some significant period of time
to get that going with normally with, say, another three months
after that.
So there was supportive five months.
There's a process involved.
I hope that answers your question Thank you.
Thank you Clark.
If we could call the next speaker, please
The next speakers, Terry Whitley Following is Curtis Van Buskirk
Good friends you'd like to yield your minutes to who's
the next speaker after Terry watts Okay, sir, you can
you can come forward.
Thank you.
So I thought Curtis should come, right?
I'm sorry, Curtis Curtis Van Buskirk is next So who is that?
Who is the next one?
After It's Curtis.
Jim Cooper Gary Steinberg and Ed?
OK, so the speaker after the lady who just yielded her 3
minutes is what's that next Speaker Curtis Van
Buskirk and that's Curtis But you're yielding your 3 minutes
to the gentleman next to you.
I understand.
Okay, Curtis, you can come forward.
Thank you.
You, sir Thank you for being here.
Thank you for having me.
Once again I'm becoming a persistent thorn in your side.
Short of it, I'd like to first start
by thanking the diligence of staff
for going through this effort I know it's not an easy feat,
and I also want to thank Commission for listening
to those of us that have experienced this, you know,
ongoing matter and issue So based on what I just
heard about that timeline of 4 or 5 months,
I am imploring commission and staff
to expedite at all costs We have continued to experience.
I significant pressure after the implementation of no parking
overnight on the park, which, by the way, looks amazing now.
It's beautiful.
It's Yeah, it's swept regularly I couldn't have
asked for a better outcome.
However for the bubble effect or the balloon effect.
As you know, Director Ames has a So cleverly
named it has pushed out so we request that there's
expediency in this process.
My original statement i hate when my wife tells me
I told you so and I say this with an entire respect
but I told you so relative to expanding the group of petitions
that were sent out those that are not experiencing
this problem today have no motivation
to vote in affirmative with the exception
of a few that do regularly.
See this as a problem.
So what you see as a result here are the direct impacted areas
that voted in affirmative in a significant way
because those are the ones currently
experiencing the the issues today I empathize.
I know that there are some that are opposed to this measure I do
empathize with those in the community
And I this is not a myopic view from my point point.
It is something that is more holistic in nature.
But something's got to give And that's really what
we've come to at this point.
And what you see as far as requests for implementation is,
is a you know, overwhelming support for those
directly impacted.
And I guarantee that those once this does going effect,
it will become a problem somewhere
else within the community, in the neighborhood.
And I also want to go hearken back to the original,
the measure that was voted on to open up
parking on Lincoln Hills Drive.
That's wonderful.
All that is not opened up or alleviated The problem for us
in our community at this point.
So we continue to be you know, steadfast in our pursuit
of ensuring that this is done.
Thank you.
You.
Well, it's new at that open parking is a new item,
so let's let's see, let's give it a little bit of time
to see how that transpires Are there
any questions from the commissioner or to our speaker
tonight, anything you'd like to say Yeah.
Okay Thank you.
Thank you.
Thank you, Clark, You can call the next speaker Next speaker
is Gary steinberg.
You have six minutes.
Gary Good evening, sir.
Thank you for being here.
Thank you.
I hope you don't start charge if you ramp up here.
So often That's okay.
You're more of you can come and speak whenever you want.
We enjoy you being here.
Thank you.
You so much.
And thank you for all the diligence
and hard work Again, a big thank you to Joe and Julie
and the old saying Be careful what you ask for seems
to apply with our issues.
We ask for permit parking.
Typically the eight nonresidents from coming
into our neighborhood for parking only to trash
it and create a nuisance.
All we wanted was permit parking for our homeowners and guests
like receiving a wish from a genie.
There's always a catch In this case,
we get no parking for street sweeping and escalating fines
from 15 to hundreds of dollars And this
is that in any way fair?
This led to some people not to agree to permit
parking when prior to this.
They were in favor We never had a trash problem before.
Out of your area, Parkers came to our streets
Street sweeping was never a problem.
There is no alternative place to park on sweeping days
long with this comes signed blight.
We get polls with double signs.
We do not need that either It's another people don't want
the double signs for street sweeping and anonymous flyer
that some people thought came from the city Also
put people off.
They thought they would be.
There would be garage inspections.
People still believe this.
You sent out a petition, not a ballot.
If we do not have enough signatures,
we asked for more time to get them in.
Also there is no parking.
I'm backing him.
If picking him park.
Acacia Knowles has now taken the parking in our neighborhood.
Totally unfair to have a gated community that
should be their problem, not our problem The solution
to these problems to remove the street
sweeping mandate from the permitted streets
are just sunset Specifically restore
parking behind occasional US and the south side of the street.
Across from that can harm park.
It was made no parking because resident Mary Pruitt complain
and promptly stalled after it was adopted.
All wants to park on the street, give them their back
and him parking back.
The unification of the parking.
They should park next to their neighborhood.
That and someone else's.
Next, we come to Laguna Hills Drive.
If we have if we have been taking i
have been taking out driving by every day.
Let's address to the north side the medical building
and a little go towards only uses 50%
of the spaces allotted to them for permits and a street
in their parking lot is less than 50% full.
I've notice every day for the last two weeks
and i suggest city open the north side
to all parkers west of their permitted spaces
and reduce how much space.
They are allowed in the building.
Can implement a van, pull or Laguna woods of parking
inside their walls.
They can get a shuttle for their employees
Our city needs the parking signage could restrict
high school, partly because I don't watch a thing
about kids crossing the street.
That was the okay with the additional parking
on Laguna Hill Drive.
I think most of the parking issues
will resolve themselves Thank you.
You so much.
Very, very good comments It seems like you put together
a really big strategic plan But, you know,
I do want to say a lot of folks are asking for that streets
sweeping restriction.
Yeah we've never had anything on our streets
except believes in for 40 years.
I've lived almost 40 years.
I've lived here.
There's never been trash until the out of area
because people out of the area, they don't care
where they throw it garbage.
They open their car either when they get well
actually do it when they leave.
They don't eat our junk on to the street If they're not there,
there won't be if we won't have a street sweeping, probably
at least in Sunset Place.
I believe Yeah.
Stay there.
Stay minute.
Commissioners, do you have any questions that you like?
I know Mr. Patel, just a quick question A couple of questions,
actually.
Do you have the rest of your HOA board here tonight with you?
I only have one, Terry.
Okay.
Just one touch here.
Also, I didn't see them in the back half.
Two of our five.
3 of our five.
I'm sorry Gotcha.
I'm glad you guys showed a good showing tonight
I have to say, you know, based on all the comments and all
the different discussions that we've had
and continue on from your neighborhood,
it's a little surprising that the neighborhood has you know,
not met that threshold for the parking
permit that flyer was a big in people.
I said that was an anonymous flyer,
even though we know who did it.
Yeah.
And it doesn't Yeah, Yeah.
And other thing was I heard comments and previous traffic
commission meetings that the problem was on back in hand
Street and so the traffic commission extend
did the existing no parking just to the edge
of where Acacia Lane was.
There is complaints about you know,
these seedy activities near the park.
So the traffic commission responded,
which none of that none of that came from people
from Acacia knowles.
It was the other people in the surrounding area,
Acacia Knowles never complained except for when
Mary Pearl lived there.
And so there is noise behind my house.
And as soon as yes, but if I remember correctly,
there was a member of your HOA board
that also complained about, you know, problem is, at the park.
At the park.
So i'm finding a little interesting that, you know,
you're coming here tonight with public comment
saying you want to open up parking back at the park.
No, no, not at the park and across the street.
And keep behind Acacia and Knowles.
Leave the park where it is.
But you Acacia and also had a no parking section to the dead end
from their driveway to the dead end
Acacia Knowles could park their own cars behind their own houses
Actually, there was an existing So if you look at that,
yeah, there was existing read was existing right.
Only section that was added really
on to their side of the street.
So I say remove that restriction because the lady
that wanted it sold her house immediately and left.
So i don't know ification Knowles himself anyone
else indication Knowles wants that restricted they could use
that space for their overflow Yeah, I think the concern
tonight, at least from my perspective, what I'm hearing
from, you know, yourself and, you know, members
of your community that have yielded their time to you
is you don't have the you know, the votes.
If you will, for your community And now
you are trying to insinuate that other areas of the community we
should open up parking because it would somehow this
is like the next solution.
And I think quite frankly speaking, you know,
we as a commission have tried very
hard to work with Sanchez sons.
So that's to make this happen.
And I'm just trying to that is also on the residents.
Yeah, I don't want to complain and not have a solution anyway,
so that's no good.
Yeah.
And I would love to open up the entire laguna Hills,
drive the parking Yeah.
Because I, we we appreciate that.
And I understand what you're saying,
but they you did make one comment tonight and it was like,
give them back to Buckingham Park
parking or adamantly i mean, right behind their house
or John Cross me question.
Just give i live in the HOA and you know we have restrictions
and I'm parking and having a car and a garage
with at least one space.
So parking things.
I know we have not been we have nothing
And you can ask you have no know for a parking garages that
and you know the only ban.
We have is nothing You can't have a car or a vehicle that
doesn't fit in their garage.
You don't have to put it in there.
But that's the only ban.
We have because it's a city street in acacia Knowles
is different I'm sorry, because they're gated
and they own the streets Yeah Yeah, because i was thinking,
you know, if you did sort of see if keisha knows that you can
make sure, you know there's a chance
of finding the 99.9% of our neighborhood parks
in our neighborhood.
We don't.
The only people who park outside is someone
who has a large vehicle.
I think there's only two of those ones,
a commercial It's got writing at it,
and the other one is brand new.
He got a big commuter van, the one
fitness driver won't go one into the garage either but that's it.
Well, we.
We did go through the process.
Yep we did.
And we had an extension.
Maybe there's no extension in the election process,
but but in the future you know, six months nine months
down the road, if you guys choose to do that process again
maybe it'll be a different approach.
But we went through the process.
I and we followed the guidelines and the community
spoke I or came in that, you know,
again like as Char Miller said, you can definitely you can start
tomorrow to get, you know, signatures once again,
once you have your petition format maybe this time,
instead of mail ballots, you would have to go door to door
and educate your fellow residents as part of your HOA.
Use your HOA board meetings, use your newsletters.
Tracy and another knows another homeowner tried there,
but it was hard to reach people.
And 818 of our 68 houses are I I understand that, sir.
But here's the thing.
Laguna Hills has other HOA neighborhoods as well, some that
have also implemented parking.
I know.
So I mean, I don't want to make you know, I know Yeah.
Yeah.
It's we fell short.
You don't win them all Well, thank you
for I thank you so much Thank you
for leading the nation to consider the north
side of the foothills Drive.
All right.
Thank you.
You.
Thank you for your comments Clark.
The next public speaker, please.
Next speaker is Jim Cooper followed by Ed Zapico
Hello, sir.
Welcome Hello.
I want to start by thanking you for giving up
your Wednesday evening to be here for this meeting
And thank you, guys.
Anyway I live on keystone 24892, which
if you look at customer curves or the green
a camera will hits Costco, it turns into Wilkes.
So that bottom little leg of the curve that's red
is actually Wilkes.
That's got it.
That's not coastal St but where the green is,
i'm three houses from the park and no farther
than that where we lived.
There.
33 years, paid taxes, voted once we that's been our home.
Our kids grew up, went to went to the local schools,
graduated between two hills high are grandkids
are there all the time.
And it's actually gotten worse since you put the no parking
at Buckingham Park.
And overnight now the cars are parking in front of our house.
But over the years, I've witnessed
drug sales and drug use.
I've witnessed after work the gathering
of of people's drinking beers outside their trucks
and the pickup trucks in the on the side of the park
there trash in the streets urination
in the streets and worse human waste and like I said,
I'm only three.
So when you look at the numbers, our little section of gusto
it was seven out of 12.
Another point I wanted to bring up is at least four
of those homes are at least are either senior living
facilities or rental.
And so four out of the 12.
And I know for a fact that the house
across the street that was a rental, the tenants
received the notice.
The owner didn't receive the notice
So they had these owners have no say on their property values
I'm sure the the businesses might not want it
because permit parking would require their patients families
that come to visit get permits and it
might be a hassle for them, but it's not fair to the resident
who've lived there.
It's not fair that when we moved in,
we didn't have this issue When there used.
There's been signs on Stockport for the longest time
when they put them at the bottom of Wilkes
and it's been up to the top of Wilkes there
It's when they put it at the bottom of Wilkes
and partially up Woolwich Five years ago,
that's when it started getting bad
And then just recently, they moved it.
The rest of the way up.
We'll watch to the edge, to snow.
And then they know that they've done.
One more.
And so it's a it's a snowball effect that keeps
it keeps move in the cars.
Now, if you look where Stockport and perceived Ave Valencia meet
that's where the apartment is for how far these people
will travel by parking.
So one of the things the city doesn't do
is address the overcrowding in the apartment
There should be there shouldn't be that many cars.
First place.
And so you're putting the burden on the homeowners.
But if you took the five seconds.
If you took the seven out of 12 at 58%
and combined us with the Greens, then we would pass,
we would be included.
We would still be over the 67% threshold.
But for us not to get it at three houses down my house
and for the houses, three houses up the other direction to get
it is just going to screw me.
Even more.
Or excuse my language.
I'm sorry it's going to you just stay there a minute.
We're going to open this up Commissioners
asking some questions.
But I did want to ask staff when we send the ballots out, do.
Do we just send it to the home address
or do we send it to the owner of the home
we send it to the owner of the home Simple code
requires that the ballot petition be signed
by the property owner Bye bye.
Bye Municipal council.
We sent it to the property owner and there,
as has been mentioned there are both owner occupied homes
and rental homes.
People who live on the street that are owner
occupied homes have the ability to do
a due canvassing to get signatures from property owners.
OK We don't know who the property owners are.
They're businesses.
And, senior living homes on OK I want
to think on that for a minute Commissioners, do we do.
We have any questions for our speaker This is a tough one.
Yeah.
Oh yeah.
If you if you do what's in green,
it's just going to push it, right?
I mean we're actually closer than the people on letting
in the people unhindered I know exactly where
that's that i walk around.
Thank you, sir because I was a parking operations
commissioner so I didn't.
But I You bring up a very good point.
That's i don't have a solution.
I don't either.
This wasn't a problem before the city started.
But I see you know, messing around before.
But the rest of Wilkes is you know, has permitted parking
And then around the corner over to Costco.
I know it's basically one once street
and there's a barricade that separates it.
But it's on the Wilkes side.
It's.
Yeah Mr. Patel.
Yeah.
I had a question so sure recognize that you know you are
you guys are almost there on your street
in particular was your attempts to at least
I know that you mentioned that there's nursing facility
is non-owner occupied homes but there were probably
some owner occupied homes that maybe weren't reached
or educated enough Do you feel like if maybe you were
to attempt to even try to reach a petition just costo
and you know, the next few months granted,
you're sandwiched between the green and the yellow,
so more homes will feel it.
Yes.
You know I feel like maybe that is probably your solution
to, you know, hopefully be able to kind
of make this more contiguous and, you know, get action.
Yes.
That at least that at least let us repetition and try to push it
But like I said, if you include it with the subdivision
of Hutton Lutton and Hendon, when you add our 13 of 25
into that group, it brings it up to 74%.
And we're certainly as close as they are you know,
the ones that you're approving.
Yeah, because one of the, you know, pitfalls
of having a mailing system rather than, you know,
petitioning yourself is, when you
petition yourselves you have your timeline
that you can collect.
Those are our neighbors did tell me that they got a petition They
received the position at their house
and not doubting that their mail them to the owners.
But they said they couldn't sign it, because they're renters.
They don't own the property.
And I said, that's right You know,
so I don't know how to get a hold of their owners,
but I don't know who their owners are.
They just have It's been a rental house for years
And then you you know, it's i have a side yard that's
like a kind of an RV access and on there have a lift I
have a collection of old cars.
So I work on them.
Never have had a problem with someone blocking
my side or yard access It doesn't have a curb, you know,
a curb.
So I have little rubber ramps to go up and down my side yard
and it's got cement to get behind the gate.
And when I'm behind the gate, it's closed and working.
So I don't want to be ordinance issues
But you know, now I've got cars parking there and i've got trash
and I've got, you know people, you know, loud at night parking
at night because when the other area fills up,
it starts coming down our way And, so they're
up at 1130 at night laughing and yelling and making noise
and, you know, just it's just such
a nuisance and 30 something years,
it's never been like this No, no.
I think everyone on this commission,
even commissions past I sympathize.
We recognize this is a similar theme that we hear over and over
with areas that have over parking,
you know, streets are having issues.
Maybe some you know, unintended behavior on, I have to say,
compared to the first time when residents came regarding these
streets, I saw a much larger room full of people
And so today, to see less, I don't know if folks maybe knew
that, you know, had a sense of what the results
would be after 5 p.m..
But I have to say, you know, I think many of these streets that
were close you definitely have a chance of, you know,
trying this again and trying to do door to door.
And more than, you know, just relying on the mailers,
talking to the renters to talk to the owners next time
they do their rent checks or whatnot.
But you know, I think I have to go back to the comments
and you know, one of the other speakers tonight that, you know,
we shouldn't allow, you know, to the detriment of them,
the fact that other areas didn't, you know,
unfortunate and get their signatures.
And so I hope that makes my I think it's Yeah
and it's it's probably like like the other gentleman said it's
not hurting them today when you soon as you do the greens
it's going to hurt us more and I'm
only three short tosses down.
So I see it now it's hurting now the houses 12 houses down are
going to start seeing it because they're
going to be willing to walk that much further or right.
They right at folding bikes and scooters
and all kinds of stuff in their trunks
to get down to the apartments.
But it's, you know, And then is there
anything we can do with the parking at the apartments?
I mean, is there anything we can do to stop the limit?
How many people are in each apartment
How many families live in each?
So the reason why no go got Go ahead.
I was just going to say that that is a hot topic.
Yeah I mean, I sympathize with the owner of the apartment
They want to make money.
But, you know we're some of the new developments that we have
coming into the city that you know,
the state will regulate 1.5 park in spot per apartment.
Yeah.
And they have.
And each apartment has three cars.
Yeah.
3 or 4 adults living there.
So the state doesn't put us in a good position
to to tell developers or apartments how to,
how to regulate that.
So but that is, that is the hot topic.
What you're saying right now is because we consistently
see that everywhere in the city where
we have high density housing.
Right.
We this is exactly what we see.
Yeah.
I was going to add that, you know, part of the reasons why,
you know in prior commissions I've tried to explore even next
month when we have our on you know,
town hall sort of setting on the 12th for parking Part of that is
because I'm personally, I've always been an advocate
of if the state is mandating what parking we can or cannot
allow for new developments or any kind of development,
then it's up to the city and its residents to make sure that we
can protect our common resource, which is the streets
that all of our taxes maintain.
And, those streets are your streets
And so, you know, regulating them is your solution.
I feel compared to, you know, what is outside of our purview
when it comes to that 1.5 parking spaces per apartment
unit into And then is there any way
to subdivide the subdivided I mean,
I guarantee you the first seven homes.
I know for sure the first seven homes I've tried to cut this
every way they possibly could.
Staff can speak to that.
Like I said, this closer yard to the park,
the more it impacts you.
So the first seven homes were across the street from me
and three on my side, four on my side.
I know for a fact the first eight homes.
I could get 200% because they've already they're already
starting to experience it now.
So they know So if you the commissioners can look
at the map in front of them to see who actually respond bonded
the homes directly across the street from Beckenham Park
is actually Wilks Place That's the section,
you live in, correct, sir Right across the street
from Beckenham Park.
I live on.
See where the curve is on?
Casto Yes, I live on the inside of the curve across the street,
you know, but the corner of the park
is where the greenery meets the red.
And so I'm three houses in and I know
the first house, the second house and the third house
all signed for sure.
The house directly across the street from me
here and the owners here.
And I'm fairly certain the people on the corner and i'm
not the one, the one next to the corners, a rental.
I'm sorry.
What What if you're willing to give your address, can you
provide your address to 4892 So on first Street,
as as we've already said, seven of the 12 homes
provide and return of petition in that segment
And even if you were to add that to the other segment
is you have to add up the total number of homes, total number
of people who've returned petitions divided by the number
of homes in the segment.
And that doesn't that that.
So if we if we took the 13 out of 25 and added it
to the Lutton and ended, then we would be
at 4,074% 47 out of Third 63.
And we're like I said, we're just as close as they are.
I had no idea that if they sent out that many, you know,
that they had an okay, so let's take a look at your math
here for quick second OK That's sort I am getting 31 out of 50.
I'm not getting i'm getting less than 67%.
I'm adding up the green ones that are
shown on the screen over there.
And then I'm adding the seven of 12 in the seventh.
So the numerator and I'm adding 12 to the denominator
and I'm not getting 67% was your numerator So if you actually,
you know what, I did my own math wrong.
You did it wrong.
Yeah.
Because it's 41 out of 50.
OK And you get included.
So first, you can also.
Yeah, you could include Salford if you
wanted to in Salford Then when I do that study it would still be.
And that's 51 out of 70 But again, we're starting to get
into disconnected pieces.
Yours is a connected piece.
And I would agree that that would probably
be if they divided it by how close
you are to the park and the parking
problem that's been created.
But like as soon as you pass ours,
I understand people are going to be standing here representing
their homes and you All right.
I understand, sir, But this business of the city council
for approval and they don't they have not generally
approved of discussing the council approved the lower ones
And that's what started this problem.
I agree And then they approved the next set.
And that compounded the problem Now,
they approved the no parking at the park,
which compounds it even more.
Right.
And so we're getting the brunt of it.
And like i said, if you don't take out
the rentals for owners who don't care then or give
us their names and addresses.
So we can canvas them then we don't have,
you know, we're stuck right?
I guess.
Yeah.
It's up to the commission right, tonight
to decide whether or not these are just
contiguous sections or not.
The way that I see Salford is it would the existing yellow
and by having the at least the Costco section connected
to the green and the yellow, it kind of creates more of a
you know, district Yeah.
If it does connect like that.
Yeah I guess I'd be open to other commissioners
whose thoughts you should be.
Another piece that over here.
Can you go back to the slide Sam.
Yes, please I would just leg forward please.
So your adding Salford into this.
And then this.
And then adding that piece.
Yeah.
And then all this would be create All this would be green.
And then just to turn 72.8.
Okay.
Yeah.
OK.
So then this would be kind of like this.
OK Yes.
Now, in that Wilks place the one on the floor.
I think.
I think there's at least one senior living.
But I don't know about rentals.
I just know there is one senior living.
So it's a business It's actually three.
If you're talking residential homes.
So there saying by adding those numbers together,
we meet the threshold.
Yes, it looks like so lot of embarrassment for me.
But if you add a Wilkes Place neighborhood 1 to 4,
if you add pesto between Camberwell and Woolwich
each that that segment only 7 of 12.
And then you add in Salford St I want to do my math again here
and I'm on and I'm getting 52 over 74.
So I need to go do the math one more time on And then
quick question on cost.
So st So I know this cul de sac is also a cost.
So yeah, that's what's included in the larger costs
which is the 13 of the 25.
So i guess because if the concern of the city staff
is Salford St if we connected all these sections,
we would still get over the 67, right?
I can go through the math there And
when I was looking at this in isolation over here,
what do you.
So I'm suggesting that this is technically
also costo st right, apologise for the sign
Well, you're fine, but.
Well, it's good that we work.
I appreciate you.
Appreciate you words here and also had quite a few signatures.
So we could actually started from here.
And if the city staff were concerned
that this would be disjointed, this all combined Yes.
Would actually make it much harder.
Slide sound, please OK.
But the numbers here to meet the threshold
when those are added in.
OK.
Okay Can you go back to the St so so this time Okay.
From this cul de sac, it's 30.
Oh, yeah.
So yeah.
Typo.
Yeah Sorry, folks.
Julie So there's a typo on Salford St ten of 30
rather than 20 Ten of 31 of 20.
Yeah.
She's circled on a piece of paper
20, which was supposed to be the threshold for getting a 67%.
And I wrote down the wrong number.
Can you double check and truly the numbers
what we're doing this so that bottom number should be at 30.
Yes, 20.
That's correct.
So so that puts us back under the threshold.
we can still include that section and things.
Okay.
Yeah.
Also, if you look at the geography of it
after after hindon, if you go back to the map,
if you look at your map after the curve of Costo and ended
it's going downhill And so people like walking
uphill to get to their place.
But from i guess it's not that big
a deal when they need parking they need parking.
But right now, you know, they're not sulfur doesn't see the same.
My view is, is there any way to pull up the map
and actually drawing it straight to what's that is 30 on Salford?
It is 30.
OK.
Each section and you know, I'm saying.
Like for everyone to have just to make notes.
Yeah there is 30 down here.
Having Salford makes up less 67%.
OK So combining the ten of 30 on Salford
does that, combining all those areas
together is that bring us back under the threshold.
So if you do as the Speaker suggest and you add in cost so 7
of 12 and Wilks, which was one of four at that point in time,
you would have I'm sorry 13 my deal was Castro up
to the hand in Woolwich each corner intersection
and yes, back up to the Camberwell
and probably then those three homes were wilks
are for homes that we said that got zero response Is that what
it was anyway that would be they would get shafted okay
but it would still be Yeah so we're still short on that.
If we only add to the green areas,
if we only add from castello from Hendon,
Woolwich to where the seven out of 1213 for Yeah.
Even if you went through the whole street 13 or 25,
it would still pass.
If you just added it to the green ones that are approved.
But I'm, I'm talking about distance,
so it's not fair that we didn't take into account all
the business is in the senior nursing homes and in rentals
and we didn't you don't.
We have too much of that affecting
but then it's just starting now to get worse because they just
put up those signs last months Let's see
where the math takes us back.
Thank you for your help.
I appreciate it So adding all of Castello in
would still be above the 67.
So all of Cristo to that cul de sac Lutton
Yeah, I'm not sure you're referring this
is like two that are st This one here.
Yeah, that's all of that And then all of Salford, Salford
is because it's ten of 30, it's to the detriment
of the okay of the process.
That's, that's the problem there.
OK.
So the issue is.
So if you approve all of that on Castello,
all the way down to that cul de sac, now
sell Salford is wide open for a for folks
parking on that street OK well it is technically bounded by 2.
Sure Yeah, sure.
But the issue is.
So you're removing all this, you know,
and pushing and all of this.
Yeah.
And you're pushing the changes.
Didn't have the numbers OK.
Yeah, right Okay.
Okay Thank you, sir.
Thank you, sir.
Appreciate your time.
Thank you so much, everybody.
And and actually helping us to dig in a little bit
deeper here Okay.
Have a good evening.
Thank you.
Appreciate that.
Thank you Clark.
Our next speaker, please.
Next speakers, Ed SAP, we go, followed
by Kathy wolosky Good evening, sir, and good evening, everyone.
Thank you for being here.
I know these committees are out of your normal 8 to 5 jobs.
And Mr. Miller, thank you for your initial comments about it
is a drop in the water that spreads out?
Yes Mr. Patel, I think you've said something
very important Contact contiguous to the parking
is a requirement.
If you leave Salford out, you're going to create a pocket
where you're going to have a this is
going to come up very quickly.
And I would implore Mr. Aims to I apologize.
My name's Ed Zapico and I'm a 38 year residence
of living with the Hill.
So I was here before the city was started.
I own several homes in Laguna Hills
and we've chosen to live here.
We love the city My kids go here.
You know, my grandkids live here.
But I would employ Mr. Aims to recommend
to you guys to include salford.
Even though I don't live there, I
live on the corner of Camberwell in the Hamden for 95,
so to drive I've been there since 2000.
OK And my next door neighbor just sold.
It is going to sell his house because
of the parking situation.
Two doors down, my neighbor is going
to start selling this house.
These are neighbors I've had for 25 years.
It does affect the quality of life.
And I I want to be empathetic to the whole situation.
But I'm not to be honest with you.
Sure I think there is a bigger element of problem
that the city has because of the state mandates
that are coming your way.
But, Mr. Patel, you've said it right
And we have to protect our own streets for right now.
I mean, I think the sequel commission should
go through the talks about air quality
that protects the individual cities Those are things that I
think you should look at it from a technical standpoint
And I know the council people will be looking at numbers
and numbers only 6 to 7%.
We're only a 6 to 6%, but you as the commissioners
have the right to recommend anything you want.
And it's just a matter of arguing that out or making
the council people understand that as
to the benefit of the community, at least this part
of the community, to have a contiguous non parking
no parking know except for residents.
And we're just imploring that you guys look at it
as a contiguous process, not just
pockets of 67%, percent of 40%.
And then unfortunately the numbers that brought you down
are that it's the HOA that's bringing
you guys down overall from the numbers I'm seeing up here.
So, again, I'm just here to emphasize that I support
the parking requirements for the properties Everybody
said, what I wanted to say earlier.
You know you can't clean the streets when the parks
are there for all the time.
I live across the street from the park and I want a 100%.
I mean, we were up there talking about all last two months
about this or whatever.
It's been so so we would like to have the city implement
this as quickly as possible And the next question
is, what is the next process?
Because going to happen again.
Right.
So again, thank you Thank you for being here.
And it just we as the commission,
we love hearing from the community, especially folks
like yourself, that have been in the community for so long.
You've seen all the changes Commissioners,
do you have any comments or questions for our speaker
tonight I think we're grinding it through still.
Yeah And we do appreciate your time And you know,
I mean, I guess content contiguous
This is a very important process for us
because even such a small street like self that doesn't get
the parking permits it's going to impact
the entire neighborhood.
It's the unintended consequence.
And we were we've been dealing as a commission we've been
dealing with this in in the city And, you know, I mean,
there are folks that will maybe they live at Alisha Village
and they'll park a mile away and keep an e-bike in the back
of their car and drive their e-bike back to Alisha Village
after they park in front of your house.
I mean all the stories we hear it all,
but we empathize with it.
I mean thank you so much for being here tonight, Mr. Patel.
You have some questions?
I recognize that you are asking the commission
to recommend something to the City Council that would not
necessarily fall in line with the technical ordinance for that
67%.
So i just to give you some background on the reason why
there's always a lot of residents that are not
happy with this commission when it comes to stop signs
and, you know, parking permit programs is because, you know,
this commission is actually responsible for making sure
that, you know, the city's ordinances are
used appropriately when we're making
recommendations it's true.
We can make whatever recommendation
we want to the council.
But i think it's kind of a false promise in a way,
because if it's not us saying no to you,
then it will go all the way to the city council.
And they will say no to you because legal counsel
is trying to protect the city's resources and assets.
Right.
Nobody in this community wants de-funded parks or police
services because we lost a massive lawsuit because somebody
sued about a stop sign that shouldn't have existed there
or, you know, a parking permit program that you know,
didn't meet the threshold of the city's ordinances.
So you know, we're trying to balance that.
if it's just numbers, then there's ways to look that number
in a way that maximizes the well,
you know, I think staff again, receiving
all the ballots by 5:00 today.
They worked really hard to figure
out where those numbers could go, trying to figure that.
I see that here and, you know, that's
why we're diving deep into it right
now during the meeting is this.
How can we make these numbers work?
But as vice Chair Patel states, we cannot legally recommend
to the city council somebody that's going to violate
something that's going to violate an ordinance or a policy
because the city council then legally has to say yes to that,
which jeopardizes the city.
So we understand it's more than just numbers.
It's quality of life It and there
are unintended consequences because of this.
So all that being said, we're doing our best right now
to figure out how we can make these numbers
work Well, thank you very much.
Thank you for your attention.
You.
Thank you.
Thank you Clark, if we could take our next public speaker,
the last speakers.
Cathy Wilkie.
Cathy welcome.
Good evening I've been a member of this town for 28 years.
My husband and I moved here from the East Coast
and I live on the corner of a bellboy and Collier Carmel
and I thought the worst thing that I was going to have
to deal with through the years was
just dog poop on my property.
But I've dealt with the sheriff's, been
in my neighborhood quite a bit because there is a drug
house all across the street on Villa Balboa
and I would come out in the morning
and there would be a bunch of sheriffs
there with a lot of weaponry.
That's frightening when your husband
is traveling all the time on the side of my house is clear.
Carmel and i've dealt with people driving up
in huge RV's and parking them.
And then living there for quite some time, leaving their trash.
I won't even mention the other things.
Drug things and even now there is a lot of parking there
And what happens is the street is never swept
and i've got health issues and my hedge
against me trying to keep that side, clean.
The reason i try and have that swept up
as much as possible is because of in the back cul de sac there.
We just have terrible floods back there because
of the sewer that's there.
The water, we would you clogged up with everything
So the neighborhood is finally better with a drug house
being sold and it's quieter.
It's nicer, but i do see a lot of other cars coming in
and parking that don't belong there.
And it really concerns me And especially not not being
able to keep the area clean.
And I feel sorry for the people who live in the back
of that cul de sac area.
Not only do they have to contend with people coming over the wall
from the park area but they also have to deal with flooding
it from time to time.
And I really think it's hit the horses
committee I know you've been working on this probably
for a long time.
There's lots of problems in this town.
But we really need to come up with something where they can be
notified of where they can park and where it's allowable
because it's just pushing it into the neighborhoods
and I am not going to be putting up with that.
What I put up with before with the drugs
and the police over there all the time.
It just is not fair to us.
Well, first of all I'm sorry that you had to live through
that here in our city No, no resident should hitch
should have to go through that.
The challenges that you're talking about we
hear about those all the time.
And we want to hear about them because the quality
of life here in the city is like the most important thing.
Quality of life and safety.
Yes.
Yes, absolutely.
Commissioners any comments or questions
I have one Speaker Mr. Patel.
Yeah.
I mean I don't know whether you specified you live on Carmel
or Via Balboa but if we look at, you know, what's on the screen
right now, it looks like you guys
are very close to, you know, being able to implement
something tonight.
Even if it technically was going to be,
you know, it's like because if you look at the style of homes,
they're almost different than, you know, the homes that
are like closer towards Alicia.
I don't know if it's like a slightly different development
game or whatnot, bye.
I honestly think it's, you know, a matter of a couple of homes
on Carmel and Balboa that just need the education
and, you know, well, I don't think one month time frame was
enough time because people were on vacation
when people were working And it's
hard to get to speak to them.
Yeah.
So it was kind of a give and take I
know that personally, when I went in my neighborhood,
you know we didn't have the opportunity
to do like a mail in ballot, like members of the HOA board,
including myself, had to go door to door,
educate people, create flyers and use their own HOA
like email system on to try to educate people
On why it was important.
And so, you know, I would say that, you know,
if you feel like that that approach with the mail in ballot
wasn't as useful, you know, you do
have quite a large number of residents
that did sign the petition.
So I think taking a different approach
if you have other residents, neighbors
that are really interested, you can get those numbers up.
And we're not talking like over a dozen.
We're talking about just a couple
of houses is really, well, how do we
do that if the voting is over?
No, no, you're not committed And city staff
can clear me up here like you're not committed to having to only
do a one month, you know, mailing ballot system where
there's like a due date You yourselves
can actually start the petition, gather your signatures
and bring them to city hall.
So that staff can.
That's not correct.
Is that correct You know that the petition is something
that the city staff generates by way of the municipal code,
but is the actual time piece only like a month
what we set out for fairness?
We set out a time period We were under the residents
wanted quick action on this.
So we set it to be a month period.
If there is a direction.
And we were under the impression that this was an urgent matter
from the residents.
So we typically have provided a 30 day period, sometimes longer.
But part of the reason why it was done was
do the results tonight, the next traffic Commission meeting
is in September.
And so that was part of the reason why 5:00 tonight,
in order to do that, we kept it until the very last hour
If there is desire from the traffic commission to allow
for a petition process in the past
and told that usually a six month period
goes by before you do that.
So we're not revisiting the same issue over and over again as we
do with some of our other items But we had four a matter
of fairness We had a deadline tonight at 5:00 to that
in, though, as we've already discovered tonight,
there are different permutations and combination of the way that
this can be put together such that the percentage
is closer to 67%.
Our assistant engineer has come up
with yet another interesting twist in all this
that doesn't get us to 67% to includes salford
but gets us to 63.
Sacrifice part of Castello so eventually
part of your discussions tonight when we get an opportunity
to represent information, you will
be deciding what you would like to recommend to City Council.
And we do recognize the carmel as nine of 14.
At 64%, we also received a letter
from a resident of Avalon that has no interest
in this program whatsoever.
So i just would say that we'll do our advice as best we can.
And ultimately, the Traffic commission
to decide what they want to recommend to city council.
OK.
Thank thank you so much for your comments.
Thank you.
I think that concludes our public comments.
Thank you.
OK.
So we're going to bring this back to the commission
for discussion based on what we talked about tonight which staff
like to reframe what we're with the potential of adding
those areas into the recommendation.
Yes.
So what I will what.
I'll give you some options here.
And we might need to pull up a map
And I really want to thank the resident who came up here
earlier to point out that I didn't
consider apparently all of the permutations and combinations.
So thank you very much.
So if you want, you there's a few different scenarios here.
And I'll explain this So the part
across from backroom park that's shown in Orange is actually
called Wilkes Place So if you add it in Wilkes Place
and you added an all of custom Now when you say all of Castro,
is that all the way that's closer to cul de sac
okay to call the section.
My understanding.
OK.
Actually yes So that takes you all
the way down to Alicia Parkway.
And if you add in Castro and you add in Wilkes to the green,
then you're at 71%.
OK Another option, which is a strange option, as is.
If you don't go all the way down to Alicia Parkway on Castro
and you stop at salford, I believe,
and then you add in South for you're
at 63% It's my understanding why wrexham at 63%, why
would that be an option It's not technically it's less than 67%.
I'm just giving us some percentage.
Okay.
OK.
That's good.
71% in or over the threshold for including all of Castro,
but excluding Salford, if you include if you just go to Castro
down the Salford and you make that elbow
and you go around the corner to Salford 63.75%, 64% Okay.
So pendens st still though, between Chi Carmen
and Camberwell has a low return rate on that.
And so does Vale Balboa.
That was one of six for Chi Cromwell's nine of 14.
So essentially.
And then Hendon Street but swinging from the elbow
down to Castro also had a low return right?
So you're leaving something out?
I no matter what you do have the opportunity Add
something in if you wanted to.
Right So in either case, we're creating these little islands
where we're not going to be placing the permit program
especially Hinden, Salford, if we don't add that
in because it's 4% below where we need to be Well,
I think you know, the first step is I think amongst
the commissioners, are we in agreement
that we are establishing a parking
permit of some kind tonight ?
Yes.
Oh, yes.
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
We're I'm just.
How do we join more contiguous pieces,
I think, to what we're doing That's
going to be a matter of professional slash,
you know commissioner judgment I would like to say I would like
for sure to hear it from Wilks around the corner, Christo
to walk is an absolute in their i
would even take it a step further
and say all the costs of that way.
It's just no confusion of the street itself right.
Yeah So the entire piece all the way down on Christo.
Sure i know it's a commissioners time.
I apologize.
I'm sorry, sir Is there separation
between the small attended and the launch.
And then we percentage is to pendens
on that map that are in red.
Is there a difference between the two in terms of percentages
We're taking a look at the numbers right now.
So respectfully, your 80% is already got through.
No, no, no.
This is this is a very specific election.
And it has to go based on the number of residents
within this election.
So, folks, we're not opening this up to a question
and comment situation right now So right now,
let us work the numbers that we have right now.
Just just give us a projection, because you don't count the.
No I will say this.
A no vote is considered a non returned ballot
and that is can sit on the ballot
If you don't return the ballot.
That is considered a no vote to two.
One is very I'll go if impossible or pass.
No no.
We have many neighborhoods that have passed this threshold
To answer your question even if you looked at it, both hand
in streets in separate pieces, it's less than like 37%.
I want to say for either piece Okay.
So commissioners let's establish what we're doing tonight.
Obviously, we're establishing the green area.
Yeah.
Okay.
We're establishing Wilks as it comes around the corner
to Castro and Castro all the way to the end to Alicia, to Lisa.
OK, So, so we're there in that.
OK, So, so that's to, to be clear to staff.
That's what we're, that's what we're established at this point
to the green area plus Wilks, Christo,
all the way down to Alicia.
Right.
So now the question is, at that point sell
for it is still not an option because we're for low ten
out of 30, ten out of 30.
And when you add in ten out of 30, you wind up at 59%.
OK So and there's nothing written in the policy
for if there's unintended consequences, it's worth 4%.
You know, it's worth 5%.
That that's that's not in the policy So essentially
and hand in the numbers don't match up there Kamal very close.
But it's it's not there.
So the the only recommendation that I can see that we can make.
And I want to hear from the commissioners
on this is what we've just stated within the guidelines
that we have it's 71%.
It's good.
And it's contiguous in the kind of as much as I'd like to do.
Carmel it's not contiguous Salford can out of 30 i
do worry about it in the future.
But it's not even close right?
So i would say yeah, there still will And the green okay yeah
make a motion.
I would second that.
Okay So we have a motion and a second
based and state your motion 100%.
The green a motion to approve permit parking,
I reckon to recommend permit parking recommend.
Yeah From Wilks to this is not currently permitted
through Keystone to eastern Parkway
and then Camberwell from Cousteau to and then
and then engine green green and into the knuckle.
Yeah right.
And Two rooms St okay so we have a motion and a second
and a second for that.
And when we take this vote, folks
I want you to understand this is going
to be presented to the City Council
for approval We make a recommendation
and based on the policies and guidelines
that the city prescribes to.
So all that being said, I'll be asking the clerk for a vote
on this motion May I?
I'm way overstepping here Oh, go ahead.
Can you also direct it or request the city staff come up
with a comprehensive table of the different permutations
and combinations to present to city council?
OK.
So.
So please Mr. Jones, could you add that to your motion?
We'll do the best we can with that.
So that we can demonstrate the thought process.
Someone through this is combinations Sam is going
to help me with that, right?
So okay, so, so we have, in addition to that motion
I was like, okay, we have a second to that.
So Madam clerk, if you could take the vote on that.
Commissioner jones I Vice Chair Patel.
I Chair Miller I motion passes unanimously.
So folks that's going to go now once staff puts together
that package and you'll see it on the city council agenda
when this comes before them, that's going to go before them
with what we've reckon mended tonight,
including the table of all the different numbers
that staff is going to present You know,
we do have in deep on this and we crunched the numbers
were folks we're on your side.
We're here to help you know, when the numbers came in today.
You know I wish they would have been different You know,
I wish the ballots would have come in different.
But this is what we have now But it is a good starting point
to figure out where do we go from here So, again, thank you.
Thank you so much for the comments and all the
communication with us tonight.
We really appreciate that you're here speaking to us Thank you.
Thanks, everyone Thank you OK.
That moves us to agenda item 4.2.
It's the discussion of the citywide related traffic
concerns and residential street traffic management policy.
This was like a review of policy.
350 and I wanted to just pose the idea to the commissioners
to see if they would support this idea
And Commissioner Caputo could not be here tonight
And he's done extensive work on trying to develop
some really good process is for us to incorporate
it into this policy.
So i'm recommending and it's opening
up discussion that we table.
This item and bring it back to our September meeting
when we can have Commissioner Caputo with us,
when we can bring that full package
together to review that policy.
Yeah, I think that's fair Yeah.
No I agree.
Okay.
So i think I I think it's nice when there's at least four.
Yeah.
Okay.
So I think I see agreement to table.
This item for the September for the September meeting
and so I don't know if we need to take a vote on that.
So if you wanted on that we're not get the next.
That's for someone.
September, September September.
Yeah.
I just wanted to bring it back because like I said,
Commissioner Caputo had put a lot of work into this.
So do we need to take a vote on tabling this item ?
OK.
Like the table.
OK.
So all those in favor of tabling agenda item 4.2
say all those opposed the motion.
You're going to defer.
So the next, we are deferring it.
Yes.
Thank you so much.
And I'll say thank you.
Since I was here, like Boston night for the village.
Yeah 6.5 hour meeting.
Yes yes, yes, yes.
I'm i some of us, Bill.
Well, I'm always aware of the fact
that you have a late council meeting
and then staff still have to come to work in the morning, so.
Okay.
All right then.
Moves us to item number five.
And we move to our sheriff's department, our chief
for a report Good evening, Chairman Miller and members
of the traffic commission.
Just want to give you a couple of little tidbits
In addition to enforcement.
We really believe in ongoing education with the community,
and we do that through our social media through our events
and through a newsletter and speaking of that newsletter,
it looks like this you might have gotten digital copy,
but I put one on your desks and it covers all sorts of things,
and I just want to let you know it covers
some traffic issues as well.
Traffic, education and also importantly bike
education, which is a big concern of the community.
Of course I want to let you know also
we have National Night Out next week.
Thursday at National Night Out, we're going to have a traffic
booth where will be given out.
Again, more education on through our pamphlets and things
like that We'll have a motor.
And one of our CSOs manning that booth
and they'll be talking about traffic safety e-bikes safety,
and actually council gave us some money to give
out helmets Councils idea.
And so we partnered with a local bicycle shop
who we purchased helmets through and we should
be given up to close to 50.
We'll have 50 helmets to give away.
And we're hoping to give a lot of those away at National Night
out to the kids and things like that.
I think that'll be good.
And I think that's a good a good gift from the city
to the community We're happy about some of the parking
changes that the that the city is
doing, especially particularly on Laguna Hills Drive.
I think that's going to help relieve some things
And I just want to emphasize again,
we're here to partner with the city
and to partner with the community
We can't keep this community, this city
safe just by ourselves.
We work together with the community
so we rely on them for information.
We rely on them for calls for service.
So we encourage folks out there who have a concerns
about parking or crime issues to call us
and as I've said before, when folks just
take to social media or something like that,
we don't hear about it.
We don't monitor social media and respond to events
throughout the city that way.
We need them to call the sheriff's department
to call dispatch and we appreciate
it when they do I also want to say we had just a highlight.
We had an event First our motors and our CSO
is continued to do a good job.
Our motors are out there citing people for traffic violations
and our CSO is are out there giving
citations hundreds of citations for parking every month.
And most of those are complaint driven and many of those
are our officers being proactive, right?
So for traffic file ations, we get complaints.
Hey, the stop sign and we go, you know, people are running it.
So we go out there and enforce it.
And we get a lot of we get a lot of thanks for that.
And of course, we get some complaints
like, hey, you're doing too much enforcement in this area.
So we balance that.
And that's and that's part of that's part of the job.
We had a motor the first motor, his name was Steve parsons,
first Laguna Hills motor was his name was Steve Parsons.
He was assigned to this city in in the late in the late 1990s.
And he was on a traffic stop or going through an intersection,
actually, Laguna Hills and moulton on June 24th 2000,
and was struck by a vehicle killed in the line of duty.
And so every year, like we did on June 24th, just last month,
we do it like a memorial right?
And we ride the route that he rode from Laguna Hills City Hall
up and then over Laguna Hills Drive.
And then we stop and park at Moulton and Laguna Hills
Drive We say a few words.
We have a moment of silence And we do 25 highly motivated push
ups and honor of him and his family and the men and women
of the Orange County Sheriff's Department
who he left behind So that was a great event.
We do that every year.
Just want to let you know that we do that in honor of him
and that's it.
I'm here for any questions.
Thank you.
Thank you so much for that report Well, it's wonderful
that you honor this officer, This way and that,
you know, you don't let that that memory go away.
It's it's a wonderful thing Yeah.
We're going to open this up to the commissioners,
or for questions for the chief.
Just a good time.
Yes.
So do we have we have three here.
So positions Mr. Patel, just a quick question.
So in addition to our CSOs, I saw about the little section
about the cameras.
So are you recommending like, who is maybe reach out
with like their own locations?
Are you talking about in the newsletter?
Yeah, like our emergency manager.
Yeah.
So if you have if you have cameras on your business
or even on your home, you can partner with the sheriff's
department who won't be who won't be Snoop snooping in
on your business, but if a crime occurs,
your camera is registered with our real time
operation and center, and they will know that.
And they will contact you and ask you, hey, an incident
occurred at this date and time, and we believe your camera may
have caught something They may we may
we utilize that that footage.
So it's a it's a permission thing Yeah.
So it's a good.
It's a good program.
And then i heard that there might have been
like some public comments about the flock safety cameras
that we have in our community.
Would you mind speaking to, you know,
the effectiveness of those cameras in our community?
And.
Sure, yeah.
We you know, there are concerns about cameras,
right There's concerns that they're
an infringement on people's rights and things like that.
A young lady spoke last night at the council meeting expressing
her concerns and some of her friend's concerns
What I will say is that the flock cameras the speakers
and other cameras of the city uses
and that we they share with the Orange County sheriff's
department have been such a help And in fact, I don't know
if I've shared this with you in the past
but there was there was one incident in South Laguna
Hills a very violent incident.
We got there and we had very violent incident.
I will say I won't be specific as to what it was,
but you might know what I'm talking about.
We got there, I got there, and I we
had no idea who the suspect was or where he was
or what happened.
We had a victim in a vehicle No idea about anything.
About a suspect.
Not even sure what type of we know.
We knew what the crime was, but not even
sure what it was related to.
You know one of our deputies very adept at technology,
utilized flock, utilized.
Another camera that's part of a vehicle.
And we were able to get an address
on a suspect at a location.
And we were able to safely apprehend
him because of technology.
That's one example.
And there's been tons of incidents
where we've used flock, the loopers to find locations
on suspect and to narrow down time frames as far as when
they're in the city, because our cameras are kind of set up
on the exits of the city and most
of the entrances of the city.
So we can see when a vehicle came through,
you know, if we have a crime.
Right.
Hey, he entered the city at this time.
And left immediately after the crime.
That that's possibly our vehicle you
know, and possibly the plate.
If we're looking for a blue Ford f-150 or something like that.
Right.
So they're very helpful as far as far
as accountability, I will say a couple
of things on that Two things.
Number one, the Orange County sheriff's Department
doesn't share or flag i'm sorry, it doesn't share information
with federal agencies from the Orange
county Sheriff's Department.
Number 2, and more importantly when
we make a request for information
we have to give a reason We have to give our name.
And we have to give a case number.
Right.
Whether it be a report number or an incident number or something
like that.
So everything is tracked.
So our guys aren't doing anything,
you know as you've heard in the media on nefarious.
And if they do, they're prosecute it,
you know, by their you know, whatever law.
They've violated and by policy.
So no, I definitely appreciate, you know, some of the words.
I know the you know, it does fall, I
believe, into the purview of, you know,
the roadways of the community because the cameras are
installed along our roadways.
And I think it's really helpful when
members of our public safety services, you know,
speak to what's truthful and what's not as truthful.
Yeah.
Yeah I think they've I think they've
been a great a great benefit for investigations after the fact.
So, yeah good Appreciate those comments.
I, I wish those comments would have been said last night
after the one public speaker because it could have presented
a different picture of what was being stated I know
a lot of folks don't like the idea of cameras,
but this is a great point that you're making that a crime was
solved because the technology was
there in regards to what's happening in our city
with e-bikes.
Do you see an uptick?
Is it status quo?
What what's happening in the city in regards to
are we having more more collisions with them?
What's what does that look like right now?
You know, it's kind of in Laguna Hills
as far as a study and look at the stats
right before this meeting on e-bikes.
But we're going to Hills This is kind of unique as far
as the e-bike problem Aliso Viejo has a bigger
e-bike problem Rancho Santa margarita does Mission
Viejo, of course and I think if we had a mall,
you know, across the street, if we had shops
and things like that that were exciting for kids to go to,
I think we would be seeing a lot more e-bikes We do see them.
You know, they cross right out in front of you
while you're driving and things like that.
It's it's very dangerous, but we don't have in Laguna Hills
the problem to the extent that our surrounding cities do.
Fortunately for us right now maybe that's because
of the terrain that we have.
But so we are not seeing an uptick in e-bike collisions yet
that may everybody's buying an e-bike.
You know so that may we may start seeing that.
But right now, we're not in our departments
getting pretty serious on our on e-bike enforcement So we'll see.
We'll see citations go up.
The DEA wants to work with the sheriff's departments
And then so you'll probably see some things like that
in the future coming out OK.
So the DEA is also getting serious about e-bikes.
Thank you. you for that report, Chief.
It's very good.
That brings us up to our city engineer.
Verbal report, Verbal report.
I don't really have a actual verbal report this evening
other than other than to explain that last night the city council
voted to approve staff's recommendation for the village
of Laguna Hills project More information is available
on the online.
Don't really have a whole lot to say about that, other
than the fact that the department will be busy Event
Stream Processing plans for grading improvement stormwater
plans and we are currently, in terms of capital
improvement projects.
I guess I can give you a small update on that City Council
voted previously to reject all bids for the residential streets
projects.
Capital One on one M, which was the residential resurfacing
project as some of you may be aware,
the city's goal has been to either a slurry sewer overlay.
Every residential street in the city every six years
right now due to budget constraints,
plus the high price of oil.
There isn't some way to accomplish that right now So
the city did receive five bids based
in additive bids for almost like what you just experienced
tonight with trying to figure out which
way to make the numbers fit.
Same thing with that.
But the numbers were a little bit unsatisfactory.
So going back out to bid again on that to see what we can do
within the budget to take care of streets
within the zones and the and we are unrelated to the traffic
commission.
We're also working on.
We received bids for five park improvement projects.
And we're going through that right now
And we'll be making a recommendation
for that at the August 25 meeting along with Scope one.
I want him now at the august 25 meeting recommending certain
of what you just recommended tonight And so the next meeting
for the city council is August 21 and we'll have again,
a full slate of items from public works on that agenda.
OK.
Thank you.
You.
Yes and being one of us is disturbed.
A time table on the parking spots there.
In other in Lebanon.
Okay Actually, I will say that I was out in the field
as we were as our staff and our contractor was laying the lines.
So we did a half a street at a time
Thank you for bringing this up.
And we received such an outpouring of support, people
coming out of their homes So I do
want to thank the traffic Commission for recommending that
and Council for approving that.
We had a lot of support on that.
I know Sozzi is out enforcing that The parking stall thing,
it seems like.
And I think Captain Burke has something to say about that.
Yeah, just really quick.
I was talking to our CSO is asking how it was going over
and be alone This is in regards to parking
and they said they love the t marks
and they thought that was such a great idea They've
had a lot less problems with, with people parking their not
seen cars, but it up to each other you
know like they were and things like that.
It's just seems they're still issues.
But it just seems like it's gotten a lot better.
So Great idea.
Yeah, it was it was really exciting when that idea came up
and we thought, well, we could bring
some order to the aloneness, which is that's a great thing.
And my understanding is we're also
going to do the same on Laguna Hills Drive
Yes, we are going to be painting the parking
stalls on the green hills drive because it's an arterial highway
rather than doing the 2020 and four gap.
We're just painting 24 foot parking spaces which
is that they're alternative and that will be installed
soon with a work order.
There was in the interest of providing
potentially some relief.
We wanted to open up the roadway first and then bring back
the paint crew during a future street sweeping for our window
where we can lay that out pretty quickly over there.
And there's going to be about 85 parking spaces out there.
That'll be that'll be actual tee marked out on Laguna Hills drive
on the south Side.
That's very good news.
Very good news.
OK, Commissioners mr. Jones comments is Mike Evans OK,
There we go.
Mr. Patel.
I'm looking forward to our August 12th meeting or workshop
because I think there's a lot of things that can be said about
parking in this community.
And so, yes, I'm looking forward to having a robust conversation
about, you know, even opportunities for the city
to hopefully, be able to get more permitting to get
more money to fix our streets.
Yeah You know, it's the talk of the town
whether it's when are we getting our streets paved
to where is the parking at.
That is the definitely the talk and so I want to thank the staff
tonight for I know it was a lot of work to get
prepared for this meeting tonight.
So thank you so much.
Job well done.
Thank you.
In our next meeting as we said, it
is going to be our special meeting
August 12th at 6:00 5:00.
I had heard previously that you wanted at 5:30.
I thought that was.
But I'm not positive.
I thought i didn't know.
And.
Vice Chair Patel, I thought you and i could imagine this.
I thought you wanted to do it at 5:30, but i don't remember.
No specific Quickly.
I think it was over email, so maybe we can double check.
OK.
Definitely.
Like the 5:30.
Just Does that work for you?
You have to get from work, right?
OK.
OK So, okay, it looks like 5:30 is going to be a good.
So yeah, we're looking forward to that meeting
And at this time, we're going to adjourn.
Thank you so much, everybody And a job well done.
Thank you Jay Yeah, we don't want
to make it where you can't make it to the meeting on time
I don't know if for forum.
Yeah, you're right Yeah So we found out from mike
just right before we got into.
Listen to me, okay?
Correct.
Yeah I hope this is good.
It seems like it's now, but we have some things to take
care to put in a version.
Oh, okay.
So i thought this was a good conversation on permanent part.
Yes.
Yeah Yeah.
So, I mean, I. I did get a little bit more
heated with that, so but, you know,
I just thought it was unfair that you know,
the thing with you because we have i
can't afford place to remain and we're
you know we're just so we're more protected by the Supreme.
It's super expensive.
And i had to use.
It's our biggest expense, but we don't.