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Possibly having justice Right?

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Is get a lot of Good
evening, everyone

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and welcome to the July
15 meeting of the Laguna

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Hills traffic commission.

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Thank you all for being
out here tonight Believe it

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or not half of July is over
Yeah, I hope everyone had a.

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Wondered for 4th of July were
out on the street that Laguna

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Hills had One of
the best fireworks

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shows in the entire
area But it's kind

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of a little biased there.

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Yes very good.

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Very good.

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We're going to go ahead
and open the meeting up

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with the Pledge of Allegiance.

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So if everybody could stand.

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And I'll ask Mr. Patel
to lead us tonight

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Thank you All right, everyone.

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3 to 1 is a flag of the
United States of America

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and to the republic
for which it stands.

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One nation underground is
a visible injustice for.

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Thank you.

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You can be seated OK.

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At this time, we'll
call for the clerk

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to take roll call Let the record
show we have a quorum with three

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commissioners present
in the chamber

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Thank you Yeah My
understanding tonight is.

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Commission or Kipruto.

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At the last moment
had a family situation

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that he had to deal with.

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So So we're thankful that he's
was able to reach out and let

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us know what was going on.

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OK Now, at this time,
we're going to move forward

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to public comment This is a
time to address the traffic

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commission on any matters not
listed on the agenda that is

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within the subject
subject matter jurist

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diction of the commission
Public comments are

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limited to Three minutes
per person as determined

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by the chair.

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And at this time I'll
call on the clerk

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to call for public comment
We have One request

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to speak George Falcon regarding
limited parking on Buckingham.

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Thank you, sir If you could
come forward to the podium.

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Thank you for being here
tonight We welcome Good.

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Thank you And is
George Falcon And I'm

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a resident of
vacation falls, which

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is just off of backing him.

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Street on June 11th.

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I received in a number of people
received parking tickets when

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the parking was restricted on
Becky in a park along Beckham

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Park There had been
really no warning about it

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and i guess the no parking
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And that night we
received parking.

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Take a bunch of people
received parking

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tickets I did contact the city.

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The city was really
good about it.

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You know, we've discussed it.

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And I believe the tickets
and take care of Will will,

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you know, we'll work
that out My concern

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is about the need for parking
in the community There

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is a real need in my community.

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Occasionally there's 99 homes
in our home, in our place.

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We have very limited.

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We have actually
no street parking

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within the community Right.

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Because we pay for part drives
and parking and all that stuff.

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Or driveways and streets.

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And so we've been
using backing them

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And so, yes we are a part
of the use of the street,

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but also then there's, you
know, others in the community

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that use the parking.

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So by reduce by getting
eliminating that parking,

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it's moving that issue or
a problem somewhere else.

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And so I just want to identify
that that is an issue we'd like

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to see if there's If
the committee is there,

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the traffic commission,
consider other options

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for parking public
parking on public streets

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I understand that you
have on the agenda

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You have the district for
parking within communities.

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I understand that
and respect that.

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But we also we have 99 homes.

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We pay our property taxes.

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We'd like to have the
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consideration for
parking and not just

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have things removed
without any discussion.

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And so we Yeah, there
was no discussion,

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no conversation with
our community about

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impure It happened.

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OK Thank you so much
for your comments.

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We really appreciate that.

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And the commission
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in a very high level, what
you're talking about tonight.

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We've been working very
hard on that issue.

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But thank you so much
for your comments.

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If you'd like to speak on the
other agenda item Specifically

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in regards to the
parking permit program,

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you can also speak on that.

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The only consideration if
there would be a consideration

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for a parking permit
of for I'm begging him,

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but that would be
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Right Right.

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But that will be discussed
under the actual agenda item.

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But thank you so much for being
here tonight, sir Thank you,

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Chair miller, would it be
possible for city staff

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to speak to the public?

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Session next month regarding
parking Like a reminder

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about the date and time Oh,
thank you Commissioner Patel.

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You're referring to the
August 12th special meeting?

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Yeah The public forum,
if you will Yeah.

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So we're the.

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There is going to be a floor are
proposing a traffic commission

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special meeting on
August 12th to talk

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about parking issues generally.

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And so that will be
held on August 12th that

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has not yet been posted
on the city's website

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regarding that OK.

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But it will be posted
shortly Thank you.

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Okay Thank you so much.

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Clerk Are there are there
any other public comments

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for tonight, whether in
the audience or electronic,

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that came in right.

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Sir, if you'd like to come
speak during public comment,

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you can Guidelines
for what it is.

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Sir, Are you talking about an
agenda item or non agenda I

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just.

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I don't know.

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Some general traffic
with traffic parking It's

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probably okay.

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So.

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So we'll be calling you up later
in the meeting when we actually

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take public comment on a
specific agenda item Okay

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So my understanding is there are
no other General public comments

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that moves us forward.

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True agenda item 2.1, which is
the approval of the May 20th

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2026 regular meeting minutes.

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And I'll ask the
Commission if any

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of those items on those
minutes need to be pulled

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or I would also seek a
motion Motion to approve

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the minutes I have a motion.

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Mr. Patel and we
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and clerk if you
can take the vote

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on that Chair Patel vice chair.

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Patel.

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Sorry, sorry.

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Chair.

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Miller I. I know you guys
Commissioner, are or Jones.

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Sorry, I I think those were
It's okay Motion approved.

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Thank you.

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That motion moves forward.

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Now, we.

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We don't have any
presentations for tonight.

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At least I don't know of
any that are on the agenda.

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This is going to move us forward
to our Administrative reports

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And I'm going to move
forward to that in the agenda

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this agenda item 4.1 is the
review of petitions received

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regarding establishment of
proposed residential parking

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permit districts.

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And at this time we will ask
staff for a report Thank you.

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Chair Miller Happy
to provide the report

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and our assistant engineers
will be working to bring up

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the presentation in just
one moment on the screen

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Thank you I'm going to
grab a little bit of water

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for a second.

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Oh, yes, go ahead So quite
a mouthful over there

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Review of petitions
received regarding

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the establishment of
proposed residential permit

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parking for camera will.

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Pending criminal.

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The Avenue to Avalon
lutes on stows cell

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for derby Circle York
Circle sunset place West

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and East and Sunset place.

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Next slide, please All right
So at the march 18th 2026,

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Traffic Commission,
regular meeting,

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city staff made a presentation
regarding requests received

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by the city from residents
desiring the establishment

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of residential permit parking.

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That would prohibit
overnight parking

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on streets near Beckenham Park,
Campbell Street Beckenham Street

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and in the Sunset
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without a parking permit
Our residents reside

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on or near Camberwell Street
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Place neighborhood.

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Describe Undesirable safety,
accessibility and quality

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of life issues due to non
resident vehicle parking and

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lack of an enforceable street.

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Sweeping is the
basis for requesting

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the establishment of a
residential permit parking

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district next slide, please.

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So as a reminder, I'm
Laguna Hills municipal code

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to designate a neighborhood or a
street as a permit parking area

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within the city of Laguna Hills.

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The municipal code requires
that a city petition form

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be submitted to the city with
the signatures of at least 67%

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of the property owner
supporting the proposed

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permit parking area.

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Next slide, please And
at that March 18 meeting,

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there was also discussion of
how over time the establishment

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of nearby residential
permit parking districts

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has resulted in more parking
vehicles being displaced

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and other nearby streets
without parking restrictions

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Should a sudden without
parking restrictions presumably

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as a result of the lack
of available parking

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at or adjacent to nearby.

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Multifamily housing next
slide, please So currently

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this is the in the area.

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This is the existing
residential permit parking zone

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and yellow on those streets.

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You cannot park overnight,
unless you have a permit issued

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by the city And
then there is a no

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parking zone overnight parking
zone between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m..

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And that was the
red zone And then,

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as was described in public
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there is the recently
implemented no overnight parking

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that was recommended by
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and approved by the
city council recently.

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And next slide, please So
back at the March 18 meeting,

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in response the
traffic commission

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recommended that city staff.

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Send out.

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Petition forms to residents
and all the streets.

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I mentioned earlier.

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And additionally, the traffic
commission recommended

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the establishment of
an overnight parking

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on streets adjacent
to back in the park

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and on the side of
the street closest

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to the park and
the establishment

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of no overnight parking on
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Street extending from
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there was already an existing
no parking zone It was.

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Extended by the purple
line on the previous slide.

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slide, please.

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And then based upon the
recommendation of the traffic

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commission at the
city council meeting,

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they approved all of that That's
what this slide says Next slide,

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please So the traffic
commission back in March

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recommends that the city staff
send out parking parking permit

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petitions to the homes
adjacent to the streets

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colored in orange.

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On this map there
were 308 ballots.

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Petition ballots send
out those petitions

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as allowed for the
individual returned

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from the resident of a
petition indicating that they

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desired permit parking.

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The form also allowed
for canvassing

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by interested community
members and neighbors

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to go door to door to collect
signatures Next slide, please.

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Here's another version of
the map So the homes in red

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already have existing
permit parking

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and then the homes in
blue outlined in blue

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are the 308 homes that were the
subject of the recent petition

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gathering process.

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Next slide, please The city
council is aware of the issues

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regarding lack of parking and
displacement so much so that

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separately at the
june 9th meeting,

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Mayor Pro Tem pro Tem Mathis and
Councilmember Wheeler requested

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that city staff Return
to a future city council

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meeting with a report
discussing parking

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and street sweeping issues.

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That report was attached to
the Traffic Commission's agenda

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packet So you have and
Mayor Pro Tem Mathis also

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made a motion that was seconded
by Councilmember Wheeler

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to take a look at.

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Allowing overnight parking on
the south side of Laguna Hills

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drive at that time,
Laguna Hills Drive

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have had a prohibition
on overnight parking

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and you can only park
on the south side

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of Laguna Hills Drive between
Indian Hill Lane and pasadena.

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Valencia During the daytime
And that historically

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was done because of insufficient
parking at Laguna Hills High

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School With the
decrease enrollment

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at Laguna Hills High School
And after consultation it

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was determined that that no
longer needed to be in place

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Next slide, please So going
back to the current process,

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I'm doing this in
chronological order.

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Sorry for the ping pong
approach here On June 15,

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city staff mailed out
those ballot petitions

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that 308 properties and that
ballot petition that was mailed

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was attached to your staff
report as an example.

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And the deadline for the receipt
of those ballot petitions

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for that area was 5 p.m. on.

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Was what time is it now?

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617.

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So city staff has furiously been
putting together the results.

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We've been telling up as we go.

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And we received
several petitions today

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and we'll be reviewing the
results of that in a moment.

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Next slide, please So going
back to Laguna Hills Drive

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so at the June 23rd, 2026,
City council regular meeting,

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city staff provided
that comprehensive

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presentation on parking
and street sweeping issues.

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As I indicated that was
attached to tonight's traffic

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Commission Agenda report.

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Specific to solving the parking
issues near Beckenham Park,

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Camberwell street, Beckenham
Street and the Sunset

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Place neighborhood.

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City staff at that meeting
recommended allowing parking

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on the south side of Laguna
Hills Drive between Indian Hill

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Lane and Valencia in order
to potentially decrease

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the number of
vehicles being parked

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in the adjoining
residential neighborhoods

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And the city council adopted
So the city council adopted

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that resolution, removing
overnight parking restriction

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on the south side of
laguna Hills Drive

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and establishing a no parking
during street sweeping hours.

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Laguna Hills Drive is.

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We'll be swept between 8
a.m. and 12 p.m. on Tuesday

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is once a week so people
need to move their vehicles.

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So here is a map of
Laguna Hills drive.

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So it's a unique street on the
north side of Laguna Hills Drive

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at the northwest corner
of the city of Valencia

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in Laguna Hills Drive
There's a medical office

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building which also suffers
from lack of parking.

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So years ago on an unusual
permit parking district

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was established for the benefit
of the medical office building

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on the northwest
corner And so there

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is existing permit
parking that's

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denoted by the Orange line.

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There is no parking any time
as denoted by the red lines

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There's existing green parking.

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With the green line
work for parking

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adjacent to Sheep Hills
Park located near Moulton

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and Laguna Hills Drive.

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And contrary to popular
belief, sheep hills

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park is not owned by the
city of Laguna Hills.

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It is owned and
maintained by the ELISA

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vale Community Association.

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Back then there was some
people were surmising prior

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to the annexed portion of
the West Side of Laguna

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Hills in 2000 that that
was going to be the city

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of at least some Viejo.

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And that did not happen Instead
laugh co thought that that

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should be part of
the going to hills

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and less severe community
association has been maintaining

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that park ever since and
then the light blue line

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on the south side
of the roadway is

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what the city council approved.

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Conversion Converting that from
no overnight parking to now

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unrestricted parking
except for no parking

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on during the days
and hours of street

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sweeping, which is tuesdays
again from 8 a.m. to 12 noon.

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That parking is available now.

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People can park out there
right now that has been out

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there for a little over a week.

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Slide, please So now that the
deadline has passed for receipt

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of ballot petitions in favor
of the establishment of permit

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parking on all of those
streets, city staff

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will review the results
of the petition process.

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I will say that city staff
worked diligently to review

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the petitions specific quickly.

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Julie and Sam, thank you.

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Julie.

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Verified the names that the
names match the property

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assessment rolls as
required by the ordinance

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and during the process,
we also eliminate added

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several duplicate signatures.

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Some some residents submitted
the petition form on their own

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in the mail and then apparently
maybe a canvassing process came.

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Took place where more
signatures were collected

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And we can only count
one signature per address

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if there were two signatures
collected per address that

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doesn't count as double voting.

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It doesn't count.

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So all you needed was one
signature per address That was

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the property owners signature.

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The traffic
commissioners received

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copies of the
petitions and the maps

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showing the petitions received.

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We went through the process
of of tallying up each one

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and providing that information
to the commissioners.

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So they can see for
themselves how that was done.

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Next slide, please So the
following are the results.

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So these are in
alphabetical order

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and I want to say that in
the review of these streets,

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cities staff also looked
at block segments,

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block by block segments
to try to determine

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if any of the thresholds
have been made for 67%.

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So avenue to Avalon,
one out of six homes

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returned a petition of 16%.

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K carmel was nine of 14 at 64%.

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Camberwell as a whole from end
to end was 11 of 29 at 40%.

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However the segment of
Camberwell, south of Hendon

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to Castillo Street was 100%.

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Castillo street as a whole
from end to end was 13 of 25.

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And then city staff
also looked at Costa

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between Camberwell and Woolwich,
which was Seven of 12 for 58%.

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Derby circle was
11 of 22 for 50%.

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And one Street was
28 of 57 for 49%.

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However, as a subset, there was
a strong showing for Hendon East

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to Camberwell, so the
elbow or the 18 out of 20

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being at a 90% Luton Street
was 13 of 15 and 87%.

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Salford Street was
ten of 24, 50%.

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Next slide, please Sunset Place
Neighborhood was 39 of 68.

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At 57%.

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And we did look to see if there
was a qualifying subset that

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could be established either
on any segment of the roadway

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And what we observed
generally speaking,

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was that residents on the outer
side of the ring road generally

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returned petitions All the
residents on the inner side

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of the ring road did not
return Post petitions

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via Balboa Five of 1,145%.

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Wilkes was one of 425%
for the small segment.

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There adjacent to the
park on the opposite side

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of the Purple Line, York
Circle was seven of 25%.

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So you can visually see
how that played out.

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Next slide, please I'm sorry.

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This is.

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So this is the review
of the results.

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So those segments were the ones
that met the 67% threshold.

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Slide, please.

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And then out of the orange area,
the green area met the petition

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requirements of 67% Now, let
that sink in for a moment

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Next slide, please So
the recommended action

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is that the traffic
commission discuss and provide

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direction to city staff.

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And just for reference we can
go back to the previous slide

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for reference here, because this
is probably the most important

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thing here on the screen I
know I will say that I know

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that there were a lot of
folks that came in person

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of the traffic
commission meeting

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desiring the implementation
of permit parking and city

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staff looked at all
the different ways even

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combining blocks with
blocks that didn't

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quite meet the threshold.

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And there was no
other way to arrive

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at this If the overall desire
was to implement permit parking.

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But we couldn't find
any way to do that.

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So this is the on a
block by block segment.

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The best these are the segments
that meet the 67% threshold.

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I'm happy to receive
any questions

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from the Traffic
Commission regarding this

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And that concludes
my presentation.

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Thank you so much Yeah, I
want to compliment staff.

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You know the election
ended at 5 p.m. today

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and they were able to
tally all this data.

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And in and come up
with the results.

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That doesn't happen a
lot in elections where

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you get such quick results.

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So I definitely want to
compliment your staff

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on a job well done,
especially it just so

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happened that it
turned out our traffic

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commission meeting was the same
day as the end of the election.

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And they were able
to get it done.

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So kudos to staff on that
I'm going to open it up.

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Now to Commissioner eRs for
questions to Steph Curry.

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Quickly, go back, slide
a few slides actually to

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on the percentage
breakdown by street.

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Yeah, this one.

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Thank you I'll get
back with questions OK?

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Okay.

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All right Mr. Jones, do you
have any questions for staff?

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I guess.

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And i only understanding how
difficult it is to get people

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to sign these and the kelly
you're within a couple

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percentage points there.

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Me I consideration and give you
a little fudge factor there.

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Thank you for the question,
Commissioner Jones

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The answer is possibly I decided
to highlight that in yellow

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because of how close it was.

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If you go forward a couple
of slides, same to the map

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The only issue was, is if you
give the fudge factors, as you

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called Carmel and
make that green,

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that segment of Hendon between
Kai Carmel and Camberwell

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would be in the Orange.

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That segment there had didn't
have a whole lot of petitions

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received and even trying
to combine kai Carmel

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within the green area
East of Camberwell

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still wouldn't you
wouldn't be able to,

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you couldn't you couldn't draw
a you couldn't draw or rely

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on the overabundance of
enthusiasm for permit

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parking and the other
portion to counteract

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any part of anywhere else.

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And so we did that permutation
to try to figure that out.

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If that would be the case.

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And it does not So
even if you gave

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a fudge factor to
come by Carmel,

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you'd have that gap there.

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And I don't know if
that's desirable or not.

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That's for the commission.

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The way you do
any anything else?

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Commissioner John OK.

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I think Mr. Patel is still
working on this question

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so I'll, I'll
basically make a couple

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00:30:17,262 --> 00:30:19,002
statements here for staff.

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So, so and staff realizes this.

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And I would just get
some response from them

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when we have such a small area
coming up in the green Let's

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00:30:33,852 --> 00:30:35,652
talk about the fact
that we're back

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to the regular impacts of
dropping that pebble in the pond

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and the ripple effect.

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00:30:43,122 --> 00:30:48,852
Now going out to these other
areas instead of this whole area

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being approved by the proper
percentage for a parking

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00:30:52,422 --> 00:30:57,582
permit program It's almost like
these small areas are going

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to cause these other areas
that did not meet the threshold

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to have other problems.

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So are you, even though we're
meeting the threshold old

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00:31:09,401 --> 00:31:16,002
and some of these streets it
appears as though we're going

499
00:31:16,002 --> 00:31:21,732
to have impacts on the
streets right next door

500
00:31:21,732 --> 00:31:25,452
Is that a question?
you know, if you're

501
00:31:25,452 --> 00:31:27,802
asking for my professional
opinion, yes I would.

502
00:31:27,802 --> 00:31:28,302
I would.

503
00:31:28,302 --> 00:31:30,824
If you were to approve
of the green streets,

504
00:31:30,824 --> 00:31:34,692
then you probably would have
impacts on nearby adjacent

505
00:31:34,692 --> 00:31:38,262
streets with the
commission is acutely aware

506
00:31:38,262 --> 00:31:42,702
of the displacement effect,
as is the city council It was

507
00:31:42,702 --> 00:31:48,072
discussed at the June 23rd City
Council meeting and I think

508
00:31:48,072 --> 00:31:51,042
the Commission is well aware of
the displacement effect as well.

509
00:31:51,042 --> 00:31:54,882
And so you have to weigh that
and whatever deliberations

510
00:31:54,882 --> 00:31:56,322
we make here this evening.

511
00:31:56,322 --> 00:31:57,754
Okay Thank you.

512
00:31:57,754 --> 00:31:58,557
A vice chair.

513
00:31:58,557 --> 00:31:59,560
Patel, are you.

514
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:00,688
Are you ready ?

515
00:32:00,688 --> 00:32:01,188
OK.

516
00:32:01,188 --> 00:32:02,156
Vice Chair Patel.

517
00:32:02,156 --> 00:32:04,782
So I have a couple of
questions on the first one

518
00:32:04,782 --> 00:32:09,132
is the threshold is
exactly 67% or is it 67%?

519
00:32:09,132 --> 00:32:10,482
If we're one, we're two rounds.

520
00:32:10,482 --> 00:32:14,432
So point six, six Six.

521
00:32:14,432 --> 00:32:20,599
So those is are
particular example,

522
00:32:20,599 --> 00:32:25,992
because in the case of Carmel
it's 64 point something percent

523
00:32:25,992 --> 00:32:27,492
but that doesn't get you to 67.

524
00:32:27,492 --> 00:32:30,612
So the way the municipal
code is read it is it's

525
00:32:30,612 --> 00:32:33,282
at least 67% or more.

526
00:32:33,282 --> 00:32:39,882
So OK, Carmel, we need one
more for it to get over 67%.

527
00:32:39,882 --> 00:32:41,742
So I still highlighted
it in yellow

528
00:32:41,742 --> 00:32:44,692
because that was the closest
number that was there

529
00:32:44,692 --> 00:32:48,522
and the rest of them don't have
any No, no amount of rounding

530
00:32:48,522 --> 00:32:51,492
would get you anywhere near 67%.

531
00:32:51,492 --> 00:32:55,197
Yeah Because when I remember
when My neighborhood had

532
00:32:55,197 --> 00:32:58,602
petition as an
entire neighborhood,

533
00:32:58,602 --> 00:33:02,082
some areas had more than
the 67%, some were below

534
00:33:02,082 --> 00:33:06,222
But combining our entire
community together

535
00:33:06,222 --> 00:33:07,152
we tried that.

536
00:33:07,152 --> 00:33:07,872
Yeah.

537
00:33:07,872 --> 00:33:10,122
And so that was over the 67%.

538
00:33:10,122 --> 00:33:13,872
So kind of where I
see that the point 66%

539
00:33:13,872 --> 00:33:17,652
is if you look at Carmel
combined with the green area,

540
00:33:17,652 --> 00:33:20,682
combined with Casto
street entirely,

541
00:33:20,682 --> 00:33:27,432
or if we want to go above
that, you would have carmel

542
00:33:27,432 --> 00:33:32,712
with the subset of
costs go plus the green

543
00:33:32,712 --> 00:33:37,332
And I think that's over the 67%,
which one are you referring to

544
00:33:37,332 --> 00:33:42,372
So if we take all the green plus
the yellow the nine out of 14

545
00:33:42,372 --> 00:33:50,082
plus the seven out of 12, I
think that got me at 69% for.

546
00:33:50,082 --> 00:33:53,022
But those are all disconnected,
street disconnected Okay.

547
00:33:53,022 --> 00:33:55,602
So they're all that would
be all disconnected streets.

548
00:33:55,602 --> 00:34:00,402
And even then you still so
you're adding you've got

549
00:34:00,402 --> 00:34:08,532
to add up 14 three 2050, 2015.

550
00:34:08,532 --> 00:34:12,082
So I'm going to go back
to the slide, please.

551
00:34:12,082 --> 00:34:17,682
3, three, four, ten 1735 six.

552
00:34:17,682 --> 00:34:24,978
That's 52 and then you've
got Nine 318 and 15.

553
00:34:24,978 --> 00:34:28,662
Oh, you also in
the Adam Camberwell

554
00:34:28,662 --> 00:34:33,252
and Woolwich only carmel and
then yeah, Cambridge well

555
00:34:33,252 --> 00:34:35,622
and Woolwich, the 64.

556
00:34:35,622 --> 00:34:39,372
Yeah I'm sorry.

557
00:34:39,372 --> 00:34:40,635
Stop between Camberwell.

558
00:34:40,635 --> 00:34:41,135
Yeah.

559
00:34:41,135 --> 00:34:44,322
Yeah So to rephrase
that again, the sky

560
00:34:44,322 --> 00:34:45,942
Carmel next one is
screen Camberwell

561
00:34:45,942 --> 00:34:49,362
South and Coastal between
Camberwell and Woolwich.

562
00:34:49,362 --> 00:34:54,332
And then it used to control to
the northeast elbow and Street.

563
00:34:54,332 --> 00:34:56,802
OK so that's a total
of 64 properties.

564
00:34:56,802 --> 00:35:06,733
So I think that the number
that you got let's double check

565
00:35:06,733 --> 00:35:29,952
And so this is i think
you I also got 64.

566
00:35:29,952 --> 00:35:36,957
Okay Yeah.

567
00:35:36,957 --> 00:35:47,642
OK So even with that, though
you have disconnected.

568
00:35:47,642 --> 00:35:48,442
Yeah.

569
00:35:48,442 --> 00:35:50,042
Series of streets.

570
00:35:50,042 --> 00:35:54,762
So if you wanted to have
my the goal number we try

571
00:35:54,762 --> 00:35:56,112
to put together
permanent parking

572
00:35:56,112 --> 00:35:59,142
is to actually have segments
that connect with one another.

573
00:35:59,142 --> 00:36:01,972
So I guess I should have
qualified my statement earlier

574
00:36:01,972 --> 00:36:05,832
So yeah, you could cherry pick
out certain pieces that might

575
00:36:05,832 --> 00:36:09,132
allow you to disconnect and
streets with one another

576
00:36:09,132 --> 00:36:11,412
to get over a threshold
but you'd still wind up

577
00:36:11,412 --> 00:36:14,862
with a scattering of an effect.

578
00:36:14,862 --> 00:36:21,533
So that's so that's an
example of you know,

579
00:36:21,533 --> 00:36:23,622
how you could do that to
get a scattering effect,

580
00:36:23,622 --> 00:36:27,972
but it wouldn't lead to And then
when you start trying to add

581
00:36:27,972 --> 00:36:29,292
in the connecting
streets and you

582
00:36:29,292 --> 00:36:33,672
fall back below the threshold
that's the problem Yes.

583
00:36:33,672 --> 00:36:36,927
I mean, I um, absolutely.

584
00:36:36,927 --> 00:36:41,345
I yeah, I have the desire is
to try to make the whole thing,

585
00:36:41,345 --> 00:36:42,312
whole and connected together.

586
00:36:42,312 --> 00:36:52,662
There isn't a way of doing that
right now Yeah, that's fair.

587
00:36:52,662 --> 00:36:55,722
And then I was wondering
if the sunset hOA

588
00:36:55,722 --> 00:36:58,002
board was in the crowd.

589
00:36:58,002 --> 00:36:59,712
I did have my
understanding is they are.

590
00:36:59,712 --> 00:37:03,223
And I'm sure when public
comments are called I'm probably

591
00:37:03,223 --> 00:37:04,177
going to say something.

592
00:37:04,177 --> 00:37:05,953
OK Sounds good.

593
00:37:05,953 --> 00:37:06,673
OK.

594
00:37:06,673 --> 00:37:09,702
Anything else Okay.

595
00:37:09,702 --> 00:37:15,342
Okay No other questions
by Commissioner for Staff.

596
00:37:15,342 --> 00:37:18,282
I'll give you one more statistic
Yes or not on the screen.

597
00:37:18,282 --> 00:37:21,702
When you add up all
the numbers overall all

598
00:37:21,702 --> 00:37:28,872
for the whole orange blob,
we got 147 out of three

599
00:37:28,872 --> 00:37:31,962
so it's less than 50%, 50%.

600
00:37:31,962 --> 00:37:32,622
Okay.

601
00:37:32,622 --> 00:37:35,562
Slightly less, 47%.

602
00:37:35,562 --> 00:37:40,752
Okay At this time, we're going
to ask the clerk to call forward

603
00:37:40,752 --> 00:37:47,232
our public comments on this
specific agenda item We

604
00:37:47,232 --> 00:37:50,292
have six requests to
speak The first speaker is

605
00:37:50,292 --> 00:37:54,312
Alex Galvin of ski.

606
00:37:54,312 --> 00:37:59,652
Next speaker will
be Terry Whitley

607
00:37:59,652 --> 00:38:01,072
Thank you, commissioners.

608
00:38:01,072 --> 00:38:01,572
Thank you.

609
00:38:01,572 --> 00:38:03,132
Happen to be here.

610
00:38:03,132 --> 00:38:05,322
Alex Galasso ski 24831.

611
00:38:05,322 --> 00:38:10,572
Camera will street have
lived there about 38 years.

612
00:38:10,572 --> 00:38:11,922
I'm part of that subset.

613
00:38:11,922 --> 00:38:15,627
Camberwell South of
Hendon and obviously,

614
00:38:15,627 --> 00:38:19,932
if I was closed minded and
just on a selfish little level,

615
00:38:19,932 --> 00:38:23,982
I can see that the immediate
area around my home

616
00:38:23,982 --> 00:38:27,912
looks like it's potentially
destined for the program

617
00:38:27,912 --> 00:38:31,182
being a person in the community,
though, of all these years,

618
00:38:31,182 --> 00:38:33,432
I completely empathize
with your comments.

619
00:38:33,432 --> 00:38:37,452
Commissioner Miller it's
like kicking the can

620
00:38:37,452 --> 00:38:42,372
and it's the old out of sight
out of mind for the homes

621
00:38:42,372 --> 00:38:45,702
that have yet to experience
what we've been experiencing.

622
00:38:45,702 --> 00:38:47,772
The urgency isn't there.

623
00:38:47,772 --> 00:38:52,152
We've been experiencing it, and
it's definitely not a Laguna

624
00:38:52,152 --> 00:38:56,622
hills way of life
And so all i can say

625
00:38:56,622 --> 00:39:00,732
is I appreciate that you're
trying to look at that forward

626
00:39:00,732 --> 00:39:04,242
thinking because i
probably in the short term,

627
00:39:04,242 --> 00:39:09,372
if there is the implement of
what I see in green you can

628
00:39:09,372 --> 00:39:13,692
dutifully expect that down the
road it's going to mushroom out

629
00:39:13,692 --> 00:39:16,447
and then it's going
to develop into more

630
00:39:16,447 --> 00:39:18,492
But there is the
rules of the city.

631
00:39:18,492 --> 00:39:24,072
So all I can say is in terms
of the area that is green,

632
00:39:24,072 --> 00:39:27,372
am I getting premature
to ask on some

633
00:39:27,372 --> 00:39:29,442
broad level what
the implementation

634
00:39:29,442 --> 00:39:32,848
program timeline would entail ?

635
00:39:32,848 --> 00:39:33,422
OK.

636
00:39:33,422 --> 00:39:34,855
That's a great question.

637
00:39:34,855 --> 00:39:37,482
And let me let me
how can we have

638
00:39:37,482 --> 00:39:40,722
staff respond to that And I'm
through with my question, sir.

639
00:39:40,722 --> 00:39:43,032
Question I, I
think that would be

640
00:39:43,032 --> 00:39:44,742
premature to answer
that question Yes,

641
00:39:44,742 --> 00:39:46,842
the commission actually
approves something.

642
00:39:46,842 --> 00:39:50,592
And if they were to approve
something theoretically,

643
00:39:50,592 --> 00:39:53,082
it would have to go to city
council for approval Okay.

644
00:39:53,082 --> 00:39:55,542
So the recommendation of the
city council for approval,

645
00:39:55,542 --> 00:39:59,292
and if they approved
of it it would

646
00:39:59,292 --> 00:40:02,922
take some significant
period of time

647
00:40:02,922 --> 00:40:06,372
to get that going with normally
with, say, another three months

648
00:40:06,372 --> 00:40:07,259
after that.

649
00:40:07,259 --> 00:40:09,462
So there was
supportive five months.

650
00:40:09,462 --> 00:40:13,212
There's a process involved.

651
00:40:13,212 --> 00:40:17,262
I hope that answers
your question Thank you.

652
00:40:17,262 --> 00:40:19,462
Thank you Clark.

653
00:40:19,462 --> 00:40:23,322
If we could call the
next speaker, please

654
00:40:23,322 --> 00:40:31,454
The next speakers, Terry Whitley
Following is Curtis Van Buskirk

655
00:40:31,454 --> 00:40:37,782
Good friends you'd like to
yield your minutes to who's

656
00:40:37,782 --> 00:40:44,952
the next speaker after Terry
watts Okay, sir, you can

657
00:40:44,952 --> 00:40:46,514
you can come forward.

658
00:40:46,514 --> 00:40:47,452
Thank you.

659
00:40:47,452 --> 00:40:49,692
So I thought Curtis
should come, right?

660
00:40:49,692 --> 00:40:53,922
I'm sorry, Curtis Curtis Van
Buskirk is next So who is that?

661
00:40:53,922 --> 00:40:54,912
Who is the next one?

662
00:40:54,912 --> 00:40:57,792
After It's Curtis.

663
00:40:57,792 --> 00:41:04,425
Jim Cooper Gary
Steinberg and Ed?

664
00:41:04,425 --> 00:41:09,156
OK, so the speaker after the
lady who just yielded her 3

665
00:41:09,156 --> 00:41:12,642
minutes is what's that
next Speaker Curtis Van

666
00:41:12,642 --> 00:41:17,526
Buskirk and that's Curtis But
you're yielding your 3 minutes

667
00:41:17,526 --> 00:41:19,402
to the gentleman next to you.

668
00:41:19,402 --> 00:41:20,012
I understand.

669
00:41:20,012 --> 00:41:21,842
Okay, Curtis, you
can come forward.

670
00:41:21,842 --> 00:41:22,452
Thank you.

671
00:41:22,452 --> 00:41:31,752
You, sir Thank you
for being here.

672
00:41:31,752 --> 00:41:32,892
Thank you for having me.

673
00:41:32,892 --> 00:41:36,342
Once again I'm becoming a
persistent thorn in your side.

674
00:41:36,342 --> 00:41:39,282
Short of it, I'd
like to first start

675
00:41:39,282 --> 00:41:41,802
by thanking the
diligence of staff

676
00:41:41,802 --> 00:41:46,332
for going through this effort
I know it's not an easy feat,

677
00:41:46,332 --> 00:41:50,262
and I also want to thank
Commission for listening

678
00:41:50,262 --> 00:41:52,842
to those of us that have
experienced this, you know,

679
00:41:52,842 --> 00:41:58,362
ongoing matter and issue
So based on what I just

680
00:41:58,362 --> 00:42:01,542
heard about that timeline
of 4 or 5 months,

681
00:42:01,542 --> 00:42:05,232
I am imploring
commission and staff

682
00:42:05,232 --> 00:42:11,112
to expedite at all costs We
have continued to experience.

683
00:42:11,112 --> 00:42:17,382
I significant pressure after
the implementation of no parking

684
00:42:17,382 --> 00:42:21,968
overnight on the park, which,
by the way, looks amazing now.

685
00:42:21,968 --> 00:42:22,952
It's beautiful.

686
00:42:22,952 --> 00:42:27,012
It's Yeah, it's swept
regularly I couldn't have

687
00:42:27,012 --> 00:42:29,112
asked for a better outcome.

688
00:42:29,112 --> 00:42:32,022
However for the bubble
effect or the balloon effect.

689
00:42:32,022 --> 00:42:36,042
As you know, Director
Ames has a So cleverly

690
00:42:36,042 --> 00:42:42,492
named it has pushed out
so we request that there's

691
00:42:42,492 --> 00:42:45,372
expediency in this process.

692
00:42:45,372 --> 00:42:49,610
My original statement i
hate when my wife tells me

693
00:42:49,610 --> 00:42:55,182
I told you so and I say
this with an entire respect

694
00:42:55,182 --> 00:42:59,352
but I told you so relative to
expanding the group of petitions

695
00:42:59,352 --> 00:43:02,202
that were sent out those
that are not experiencing

696
00:43:02,202 --> 00:43:05,442
this problem today
have no motivation

697
00:43:05,442 --> 00:43:08,832
to vote in affirmative
with the exception

698
00:43:08,832 --> 00:43:10,992
of a few that do regularly.

699
00:43:10,992 --> 00:43:12,522
See this as a problem.

700
00:43:12,522 --> 00:43:16,482
So what you see as a result here
are the direct impacted areas

701
00:43:16,482 --> 00:43:19,752
that voted in affirmative
in a significant way

702
00:43:19,752 --> 00:43:21,552
because those are
the ones currently

703
00:43:21,552 --> 00:43:28,482
experiencing the the
issues today I empathize.

704
00:43:28,482 --> 00:43:33,402
I know that there are some that
are opposed to this measure I do

705
00:43:33,402 --> 00:43:35,802
empathize with those
in the community

706
00:43:35,802 --> 00:43:40,602
And I this is not a myopic
view from my point point.

707
00:43:40,602 --> 00:43:43,662
It is something that is
more holistic in nature.

708
00:43:43,662 --> 00:43:46,752
But something's got to
give And that's really what

709
00:43:46,752 --> 00:43:48,522
we've come to at this point.

710
00:43:48,522 --> 00:43:53,622
And what you see as far as
requests for implementation is,

711
00:43:53,622 --> 00:43:57,612
is a you know, overwhelming
support for those

712
00:43:57,612 --> 00:43:59,112
directly impacted.

713
00:43:59,112 --> 00:44:04,902
And I guarantee that those
once this does going effect,

714
00:44:04,902 --> 00:44:06,702
it will become a
problem somewhere

715
00:44:06,702 --> 00:44:09,762
else within the community,
in the neighborhood.

716
00:44:09,762 --> 00:44:13,872
And I also want to go
hearken back to the original,

717
00:44:13,872 --> 00:44:16,422
the measure that was
voted on to open up

718
00:44:16,422 --> 00:44:18,312
parking on Lincoln Hills Drive.

719
00:44:18,312 --> 00:44:19,002
That's wonderful.

720
00:44:19,002 --> 00:44:23,682
All that is not opened up or
alleviated The problem for us

721
00:44:23,682 --> 00:44:25,182
in our community at this point.

722
00:44:25,182 --> 00:44:29,361
So we continue to be you
know, steadfast in our pursuit

723
00:44:29,361 --> 00:44:31,412
of ensuring that this is done.

724
00:44:31,412 --> 00:44:32,122
Thank you.

725
00:44:32,122 --> 00:44:32,622
You.

726
00:44:32,622 --> 00:44:37,422
Well, it's new at that
open parking is a new item,

727
00:44:37,422 --> 00:44:40,332
so let's let's see, let's
give it a little bit of time

728
00:44:40,332 --> 00:44:43,632
to see how that
transpires Are there

729
00:44:43,632 --> 00:44:46,547
any questions from the
commissioner or to our speaker

730
00:44:46,547 --> 00:44:50,232
tonight, anything
you'd like to say Yeah.

731
00:44:50,232 --> 00:44:51,102
Okay Thank you.

732
00:44:51,102 --> 00:44:51,822
Thank you.

733
00:44:51,822 --> 00:44:56,232
Thank you, Clark, You can call
the next speaker Next speaker

734
00:44:56,232 --> 00:44:57,433
is Gary steinberg.

735
00:44:57,433 --> 00:44:58,902
You have six minutes.

736
00:44:58,902 --> 00:45:02,292
Gary Good evening, sir.

737
00:45:02,292 --> 00:45:03,612
Thank you for being here.

738
00:45:03,612 --> 00:45:04,572
Thank you.

739
00:45:04,572 --> 00:45:06,722
I hope you don't start
charge if you ramp up here.

740
00:45:06,722 --> 00:45:08,743
So often That's okay.

741
00:45:08,743 --> 00:45:11,952
You're more of you can come
and speak whenever you want.

742
00:45:11,952 --> 00:45:12,972
We enjoy you being here.

743
00:45:12,972 --> 00:45:13,482
Thank you.

744
00:45:13,482 --> 00:45:14,232
You so much.

745
00:45:14,232 --> 00:45:16,242
And thank you for
all the diligence

746
00:45:16,242 --> 00:45:19,842
and hard work Again, a big
thank you to Joe and Julie

747
00:45:19,842 --> 00:45:23,112
and the old saying Be careful
what you ask for seems

748
00:45:23,112 --> 00:45:24,852
to apply with our issues.

749
00:45:24,852 --> 00:45:26,142
We ask for permit parking.

750
00:45:26,142 --> 00:45:28,062
Typically the eight
nonresidents from coming

751
00:45:28,062 --> 00:45:31,212
into our neighborhood
for parking only to trash

752
00:45:31,212 --> 00:45:32,532
it and create a nuisance.

753
00:45:32,532 --> 00:45:36,732
All we wanted was permit parking
for our homeowners and guests

754
00:45:36,732 --> 00:45:38,712
like receiving a
wish from a genie.

755
00:45:38,712 --> 00:45:41,562
There's always a
catch In this case,

756
00:45:41,562 --> 00:45:45,732
we get no parking for street
sweeping and escalating fines

757
00:45:45,732 --> 00:45:50,352
from 15 to hundreds
of dollars And this

758
00:45:50,352 --> 00:45:52,692
is that in any way fair?

759
00:45:52,692 --> 00:45:55,212
This led to some people
not to agree to permit

760
00:45:55,212 --> 00:45:57,341
parking when prior to this.

761
00:45:57,341 --> 00:46:01,182
They were in favor We never
had a trash problem before.

762
00:46:01,182 --> 00:46:04,212
Out of your area, Parkers
came to our streets

763
00:46:04,212 --> 00:46:06,612
Street sweeping was
never a problem.

764
00:46:06,612 --> 00:46:10,002
There is no alternative place
to park on sweeping days

765
00:46:10,002 --> 00:46:11,922
long with this
comes signed blight.

766
00:46:11,922 --> 00:46:13,842
We get polls with double signs.

767
00:46:13,842 --> 00:46:17,472
We do not need that either
It's another people don't want

768
00:46:17,472 --> 00:46:21,582
the double signs for street
sweeping and anonymous flyer

769
00:46:21,582 --> 00:46:23,712
that some people thought
came from the city Also

770
00:46:23,712 --> 00:46:24,701
put people off.

771
00:46:24,701 --> 00:46:26,434
They thought they would be.

772
00:46:26,434 --> 00:46:28,519
There would be
garage inspections.

773
00:46:28,519 --> 00:46:30,252
People still believe this.

774
00:46:30,252 --> 00:46:32,262
You sent out a
petition, not a ballot.

775
00:46:32,262 --> 00:46:34,182
If we do not have
enough signatures,

776
00:46:34,182 --> 00:46:36,852
we asked for more
time to get them in.

777
00:46:36,852 --> 00:46:38,622
Also there is no parking.

778
00:46:38,622 --> 00:46:40,062
I'm backing him.

779
00:46:40,062 --> 00:46:41,202
If picking him park.

780
00:46:41,202 --> 00:46:44,322
Acacia Knowles has now taken
the parking in our neighborhood.

781
00:46:44,322 --> 00:46:48,432
Totally unfair to have
a gated community that

782
00:46:48,432 --> 00:46:51,282
should be their problem,
not our problem The solution

783
00:46:51,282 --> 00:46:53,232
to these problems
to remove the street

784
00:46:53,232 --> 00:46:55,242
sweeping mandate from
the permitted streets

785
00:46:55,242 --> 00:46:58,812
are just sunset
Specifically restore

786
00:46:58,812 --> 00:47:03,582
parking behind occasional US and
the south side of the street.

787
00:47:03,582 --> 00:47:05,112
Across from that can harm park.

788
00:47:05,112 --> 00:47:08,532
It was made no parking because
resident Mary Pruitt complain

789
00:47:08,532 --> 00:47:12,012
and promptly stalled
after it was adopted.

790
00:47:12,012 --> 00:47:14,112
All wants to park on the
street, give them their back

791
00:47:14,112 --> 00:47:15,704
and him parking back.

792
00:47:15,704 --> 00:47:17,383
The unification of the parking.

793
00:47:17,383 --> 00:47:19,092
They should park next
to their neighborhood.

794
00:47:19,092 --> 00:47:20,369
That and someone else's.

795
00:47:20,369 --> 00:47:22,702
Next, we come to
Laguna Hills Drive.

796
00:47:22,702 --> 00:47:25,182
If we have if we
have been taking i

797
00:47:25,182 --> 00:47:27,342
have been taking out
driving by every day.

798
00:47:27,342 --> 00:47:30,012
Let's address to the north
side the medical building

799
00:47:30,012 --> 00:47:32,352
and a little go
towards only uses 50%

800
00:47:32,352 --> 00:47:35,592
of the spaces allotted to
them for permits and a street

801
00:47:35,592 --> 00:47:38,355
in their parking lot
is less than 50% full.

802
00:47:38,355 --> 00:47:41,022
I've notice every day
for the last two weeks

803
00:47:41,022 --> 00:47:43,452
and i suggest city
open the north side

804
00:47:43,452 --> 00:47:46,422
to all parkers west of
their permitted spaces

805
00:47:46,422 --> 00:47:47,773
and reduce how much space.

806
00:47:47,773 --> 00:47:49,388
They are allowed
in the building.

807
00:47:49,388 --> 00:47:53,562
Can implement a van, pull
or Laguna woods of parking

808
00:47:53,562 --> 00:47:54,462
inside their walls.

809
00:47:54,462 --> 00:47:56,712
They can get a shuttle
for their employees

810
00:47:56,712 --> 00:47:59,952
Our city needs the parking
signage could restrict

811
00:47:59,952 --> 00:48:03,492
high school, partly because
I don't watch a thing

812
00:48:03,492 --> 00:48:05,862
about kids crossing the street.

813
00:48:05,862 --> 00:48:08,022
That was the okay with
the additional parking

814
00:48:08,022 --> 00:48:09,132
on Laguna Hill Drive.

815
00:48:09,132 --> 00:48:10,666
I think most of
the parking issues

816
00:48:10,666 --> 00:48:14,772
will resolve
themselves Thank you.

817
00:48:14,772 --> 00:48:15,372
You so much.

818
00:48:15,372 --> 00:48:18,653
Very, very good comments It
seems like you put together

819
00:48:18,653 --> 00:48:21,792
a really big strategic
plan But, you know,

820
00:48:21,792 --> 00:48:24,822
I do want to say a lot of folks
are asking for that streets

821
00:48:24,822 --> 00:48:26,202
sweeping restriction.

822
00:48:26,202 --> 00:48:29,742
Yeah we've never had
anything on our streets

823
00:48:29,742 --> 00:48:32,202
except believes in for 40 years.

824
00:48:32,202 --> 00:48:33,432
I've lived almost 40 years.

825
00:48:33,432 --> 00:48:34,272
I've lived here.

826
00:48:34,272 --> 00:48:37,302
There's never been trash
until the out of area

827
00:48:37,302 --> 00:48:39,219
because people out of
the area, they don't care

828
00:48:39,219 --> 00:48:40,152
where they throw it garbage.

829
00:48:40,152 --> 00:48:42,822
They open their car
either when they get well

830
00:48:42,822 --> 00:48:44,442
actually do it when they leave.

831
00:48:44,442 --> 00:48:48,522
They don't eat our junk on to
the street If they're not there,

832
00:48:48,522 --> 00:48:50,502
there won't be if we won't have
a street sweeping, probably

833
00:48:50,502 --> 00:48:51,732
at least in Sunset Place.

834
00:48:51,732 --> 00:48:52,997
I believe Yeah.

835
00:48:52,997 --> 00:48:53,667
Stay there.

836
00:48:53,667 --> 00:48:54,338
Stay minute.

837
00:48:54,338 --> 00:48:56,652
Commissioners, do you have
any questions that you like?

838
00:48:56,652 --> 00:49:00,642
I know Mr. Patel, just a quick
question A couple of questions,

839
00:49:00,642 --> 00:49:01,212
actually.

840
00:49:01,212 --> 00:49:04,242
Do you have the rest of your
HOA board here tonight with you?

841
00:49:04,242 --> 00:49:05,772
I only have one, Terry.

842
00:49:05,772 --> 00:49:06,342
Okay.

843
00:49:06,342 --> 00:49:07,673
Just one touch here.

844
00:49:07,673 --> 00:49:09,822
Also, I didn't see
them in the back half.

845
00:49:09,822 --> 00:49:10,634
Two of our five.

846
00:49:10,634 --> 00:49:11,447
3 of our five.

847
00:49:11,447 --> 00:49:12,372
I'm sorry Gotcha.

848
00:49:12,372 --> 00:49:16,122
I'm glad you guys showed
a good showing tonight

849
00:49:16,122 --> 00:49:19,002
I have to say, you know, based
on all the comments and all

850
00:49:19,002 --> 00:49:21,072
the different discussions
that we've had

851
00:49:21,072 --> 00:49:23,022
and continue on from
your neighborhood,

852
00:49:23,022 --> 00:49:27,162
it's a little surprising that
the neighborhood has you know,

853
00:49:27,162 --> 00:49:29,472
not met that threshold
for the parking

854
00:49:29,472 --> 00:49:33,042
permit that flyer
was a big in people.

855
00:49:33,042 --> 00:49:34,932
I said that was an
anonymous flyer,

856
00:49:34,932 --> 00:49:36,102
even though we know who did it.

857
00:49:36,102 --> 00:49:36,602
Yeah.

858
00:49:36,602 --> 00:49:38,652
And it doesn't Yeah, Yeah.

859
00:49:38,652 --> 00:49:41,952
And other thing was I heard
comments and previous traffic

860
00:49:41,952 --> 00:49:44,742
commission meetings that the
problem was on back in hand

861
00:49:44,742 --> 00:49:47,322
Street and so the
traffic commission extend

862
00:49:47,322 --> 00:49:50,472
did the existing no
parking just to the edge

863
00:49:50,472 --> 00:49:52,002
of where Acacia Lane was.

864
00:49:52,002 --> 00:49:53,832
There is complaints
about you know,

865
00:49:53,832 --> 00:49:56,952
these seedy activities
near the park.

866
00:49:56,952 --> 00:49:58,445
So the traffic
commission responded,

867
00:49:58,445 --> 00:50:01,124
which none of that none
of that came from people

868
00:50:01,124 --> 00:50:02,232
from Acacia knowles.

869
00:50:02,232 --> 00:50:04,812
It was the other people
in the surrounding area,

870
00:50:04,812 --> 00:50:09,342
Acacia Knowles never
complained except for when

871
00:50:09,342 --> 00:50:10,417
Mary Pearl lived there.

872
00:50:10,417 --> 00:50:12,582
And so there is noise
behind my house.

873
00:50:12,582 --> 00:50:15,102
And as soon as yes, but
if I remember correctly,

874
00:50:15,102 --> 00:50:16,932
there was a member
of your HOA board

875
00:50:16,932 --> 00:50:19,992
that also complained about, you
know, problem is, at the park.

876
00:50:19,992 --> 00:50:20,562
At the park.

877
00:50:20,562 --> 00:50:23,292
So i'm finding a little
interesting that, you know,

878
00:50:23,292 --> 00:50:25,242
you're coming here tonight
with public comment

879
00:50:25,242 --> 00:50:27,972
saying you want to open up
parking back at the park.

880
00:50:27,972 --> 00:50:30,822
No, no, not at the park
and across the street.

881
00:50:30,822 --> 00:50:33,612
And keep behind
Acacia and Knowles.

882
00:50:33,612 --> 00:50:35,112
Leave the park where it is.

883
00:50:35,112 --> 00:50:41,232
But you Acacia and also had a no
parking section to the dead end

884
00:50:41,232 --> 00:50:43,872
from their driveway
to the dead end

885
00:50:43,872 --> 00:50:47,982
Acacia Knowles could park their
own cars behind their own houses

886
00:50:47,982 --> 00:50:50,642
Actually, there was an existing
So if you look at that,

887
00:50:50,642 --> 00:50:52,752
yeah, there was existing
read was existing right.

888
00:50:52,752 --> 00:50:54,522
Only section that
was added really

889
00:50:54,522 --> 00:50:56,352
on to their side of the street.

890
00:50:56,352 --> 00:50:59,082
So I say remove that
restriction because the lady

891
00:50:59,082 --> 00:51:02,472
that wanted it sold her
house immediately and left.

892
00:51:02,472 --> 00:51:04,872
So i don't know ification
Knowles himself anyone

893
00:51:04,872 --> 00:51:08,262
else indication Knowles wants
that restricted they could use

894
00:51:08,262 --> 00:51:13,002
that space for their overflow
Yeah, I think the concern

895
00:51:13,002 --> 00:51:15,762
tonight, at least from my
perspective, what I'm hearing

896
00:51:15,762 --> 00:51:17,862
from, you know, yourself
and, you know, members

897
00:51:17,862 --> 00:51:20,712
of your community that have
yielded their time to you

898
00:51:20,712 --> 00:51:23,562
is you don't have the
you know, the votes.

899
00:51:23,562 --> 00:51:27,102
If you will, for your
community And now

900
00:51:27,102 --> 00:51:31,812
you are trying to insinuate that
other areas of the community we

901
00:51:31,812 --> 00:51:35,082
should open up parking
because it would somehow this

902
00:51:35,082 --> 00:51:36,762
is like the next solution.

903
00:51:36,762 --> 00:51:39,342
And I think quite frankly
speaking, you know,

904
00:51:39,342 --> 00:51:41,022
we as a commission
have tried very

905
00:51:41,022 --> 00:51:43,735
hard to work with Sanchez sons.

906
00:51:43,735 --> 00:51:46,422
So that's to make this happen.

907
00:51:46,422 --> 00:51:49,752
And I'm just trying to that
is also on the residents.

908
00:51:49,752 --> 00:51:52,552
Yeah, I don't want to complain
and not have a solution anyway,

909
00:51:52,552 --> 00:51:53,972
so that's no good.

910
00:51:53,972 --> 00:51:54,632
Yeah.

911
00:51:54,632 --> 00:51:57,252
And I would love to open
up the entire laguna Hills,

912
00:51:57,252 --> 00:51:59,712
drive the parking Yeah.

913
00:51:59,712 --> 00:52:03,822
Because I, we we
appreciate that.

914
00:52:03,822 --> 00:52:05,622
And I understand
what you're saying,

915
00:52:05,622 --> 00:52:09,492
but they you did make one
comment tonight and it was like,

916
00:52:09,492 --> 00:52:11,412
give them back to
Buckingham Park

917
00:52:11,412 --> 00:52:15,870
parking or adamantly i mean,
right behind their house

918
00:52:15,870 --> 00:52:17,904
or John Cross me question.

919
00:52:17,904 --> 00:52:22,872
Just give i live in the HOA and
you know we have restrictions

920
00:52:22,872 --> 00:52:27,852
and I'm parking and
having a car and a garage

921
00:52:27,852 --> 00:52:30,342
with at least one space.

922
00:52:30,342 --> 00:52:31,572
So parking things.

923
00:52:31,572 --> 00:52:36,702
I know we have not
been we have nothing

924
00:52:36,702 --> 00:52:42,252
And you can ask you have no
know for a parking garages that

925
00:52:42,252 --> 00:52:44,562
and you know the only ban.

926
00:52:44,562 --> 00:52:47,952
We have is nothing You can't
have a car or a vehicle that

927
00:52:47,952 --> 00:52:49,212
doesn't fit in their garage.

928
00:52:49,212 --> 00:52:50,739
You don't have to
put it in there.

929
00:52:50,739 --> 00:52:51,904
But that's the only ban.

930
00:52:51,904 --> 00:52:54,943
We have because it's a city
street in acacia Knowles

931
00:52:54,943 --> 00:52:57,972
is different I'm sorry,
because they're gated

932
00:52:57,972 --> 00:53:04,152
and they own the streets Yeah
Yeah, because i was thinking,

933
00:53:04,152 --> 00:53:09,972
you know, if you did sort of
see if keisha knows that you can

934
00:53:09,972 --> 00:53:13,479
make sure, you know
there's a chance

935
00:53:13,479 --> 00:53:17,742
of finding the 99.9% of
our neighborhood parks

936
00:53:17,742 --> 00:53:18,492
in our neighborhood.

937
00:53:18,492 --> 00:53:18,992
We don't.

938
00:53:18,992 --> 00:53:20,952
The only people who
park outside is someone

939
00:53:20,952 --> 00:53:22,512
who has a large vehicle.

940
00:53:22,512 --> 00:53:25,452
I think there's only
two of those ones,

941
00:53:25,452 --> 00:53:29,082
a commercial It's
got writing at it,

942
00:53:29,082 --> 00:53:31,212
and the other one is brand new.

943
00:53:31,212 --> 00:53:34,782
He got a big
commuter van, the one

944
00:53:34,782 --> 00:53:39,882
fitness driver won't go one into
the garage either but that's it.

945
00:53:39,882 --> 00:53:40,602
Well, we.

946
00:53:40,602 --> 00:53:42,162
We did go through the process.

947
00:53:42,162 --> 00:53:43,422
Yep we did.

948
00:53:43,422 --> 00:53:46,190
And we had an extension.

949
00:53:46,190 --> 00:53:50,172
Maybe there's no extension
in the election process,

950
00:53:50,172 --> 00:53:55,686
but but in the future you
know, six months nine months

951
00:53:55,686 --> 00:53:58,962
down the road, if you guys
choose to do that process again

952
00:53:58,962 --> 00:54:00,402
maybe it'll be a
different approach.

953
00:54:00,402 --> 00:54:02,445
But we went through the process.

954
00:54:02,445 --> 00:54:06,222
I and we followed the
guidelines and the community

955
00:54:06,222 --> 00:54:10,212
spoke I or came
in that, you know,

956
00:54:10,212 --> 00:54:14,082
again like as Char Miller said,
you can definitely you can start

957
00:54:14,082 --> 00:54:18,092
tomorrow to get, you know,
signatures once again,

958
00:54:18,092 --> 00:54:21,709
once you have your petition
format maybe this time,

959
00:54:21,709 --> 00:54:24,222
instead of mail ballots, you
would have to go door to door

960
00:54:24,222 --> 00:54:27,582
and educate your fellow
residents as part of your HOA.

961
00:54:27,582 --> 00:54:31,212
Use your HOA board meetings,
use your newsletters.

962
00:54:31,212 --> 00:54:35,082
Tracy and another knows
another homeowner tried there,

963
00:54:35,082 --> 00:54:36,912
but it was hard to reach people.

964
00:54:36,912 --> 00:54:41,652
And 818 of our 68 houses are
I I understand that, sir.

965
00:54:41,652 --> 00:54:42,582
But here's the thing.

966
00:54:42,582 --> 00:54:46,362
Laguna Hills has other HOA
neighborhoods as well, some that

967
00:54:46,362 --> 00:54:47,922
have also implemented parking.

968
00:54:47,922 --> 00:54:48,852
I know.

969
00:54:48,852 --> 00:54:52,462
So I mean, I don't want to
make you know, I know Yeah.

970
00:54:52,462 --> 00:54:52,962
Yeah.

971
00:54:52,962 --> 00:54:54,852
It's we fell short.

972
00:54:54,852 --> 00:54:56,913
You don't win them
all Well, thank you

973
00:54:56,913 --> 00:54:58,332
for I thank you
so much Thank you

974
00:54:58,332 --> 00:55:00,672
for leading the nation
to consider the north

975
00:55:00,672 --> 00:55:02,202
side of the foothills Drive.

976
00:55:02,202 --> 00:55:02,967
All right.

977
00:55:02,967 --> 00:55:03,732
Thank you.

978
00:55:03,732 --> 00:55:04,232
You.

979
00:55:04,232 --> 00:55:06,462
Thank you for your
comments Clark.

980
00:55:06,462 --> 00:55:09,582
The next public speaker, please.

981
00:55:09,582 --> 00:55:15,522
Next speaker is Jim Cooper
followed by Ed Zapico

982
00:55:15,522 --> 00:55:16,692
Hello, sir.

983
00:55:16,692 --> 00:55:19,452
Welcome Hello.

984
00:55:19,452 --> 00:55:21,372
I want to start by
thanking you for giving up

985
00:55:21,372 --> 00:55:24,492
your Wednesday evening to
be here for this meeting

986
00:55:24,492 --> 00:55:27,222
And thank you, guys.

987
00:55:27,222 --> 00:55:31,932
Anyway I live on
keystone 24892, which

988
00:55:31,932 --> 00:55:35,202
if you look at customer
curves or the green

989
00:55:35,202 --> 00:55:37,424
a camera will hits Costco,
it turns into Wilkes.

990
00:55:37,424 --> 00:55:41,022
So that bottom little leg
of the curve that's red

991
00:55:41,022 --> 00:55:42,672
is actually Wilkes.

992
00:55:42,672 --> 00:55:43,392
That's got it.

993
00:55:43,392 --> 00:55:46,152
That's not coastal St
but where the green is,

994
00:55:46,152 --> 00:55:50,682
i'm three houses from
the park and no farther

995
00:55:50,682 --> 00:55:53,111
than that where we lived.

996
00:55:53,111 --> 00:55:53,711
There.

997
00:55:53,711 --> 00:55:57,942
33 years, paid taxes, voted
once we that's been our home.

998
00:55:57,942 --> 00:56:01,452
Our kids grew up, went to
went to the local schools,

999
00:56:01,452 --> 00:56:04,812
graduated between two
hills high are grandkids

1000
00:56:04,812 --> 00:56:06,432
are there all the time.

1001
00:56:06,432 --> 00:56:10,272
And it's actually gotten worse
since you put the no parking

1002
00:56:10,272 --> 00:56:12,572
at Buckingham Park.

1003
00:56:12,572 --> 00:56:16,452
And overnight now the cars are
parking in front of our house.

1004
00:56:16,452 --> 00:56:18,582
But over the years,
I've witnessed

1005
00:56:18,582 --> 00:56:21,072
drug sales and drug use.

1006
00:56:21,072 --> 00:56:23,502
I've witnessed after
work the gathering

1007
00:56:23,502 --> 00:56:27,894
of of people's drinking
beers outside their trucks

1008
00:56:27,894 --> 00:56:30,929
and the pickup trucks in
the on the side of the park

1009
00:56:30,929 --> 00:56:34,392
there trash in the
streets urination

1010
00:56:34,392 --> 00:56:39,762
in the streets and worse
human waste and like I said,

1011
00:56:39,762 --> 00:56:40,482
I'm only three.

1012
00:56:40,482 --> 00:56:47,022
So when you look at the numbers,
our little section of gusto

1013
00:56:47,022 --> 00:56:48,972
it was seven out of 12.

1014
00:56:48,972 --> 00:56:52,542
Another point I wanted to
bring up is at least four

1015
00:56:52,542 --> 00:56:56,472
of those homes are at least
are either senior living

1016
00:56:56,472 --> 00:56:58,872
facilities or rental.

1017
00:56:58,872 --> 00:57:00,828
And so four out of the 12.

1018
00:57:00,828 --> 00:57:02,838
And I know for a
fact that the house

1019
00:57:02,838 --> 00:57:05,202
across the street that
was a rental, the tenants

1020
00:57:05,202 --> 00:57:06,372
received the notice.

1021
00:57:06,372 --> 00:57:08,232
The owner didn't
receive the notice

1022
00:57:08,232 --> 00:57:11,982
So they had these owners have
no say on their property values

1023
00:57:11,982 --> 00:57:16,032
I'm sure the the businesses
might not want it

1024
00:57:16,032 --> 00:57:20,142
because permit parking would
require their patients families

1025
00:57:20,142 --> 00:57:22,002
that come to visit
get permits and it

1026
00:57:22,002 --> 00:57:24,942
might be a hassle for them, but
it's not fair to the resident

1027
00:57:24,942 --> 00:57:26,052
who've lived there.

1028
00:57:26,052 --> 00:57:28,822
It's not fair that
when we moved in,

1029
00:57:28,822 --> 00:57:33,432
we didn't have this
issue When there used.

1030
00:57:33,432 --> 00:57:36,934
There's been signs on
Stockport for the longest time

1031
00:57:36,934 --> 00:57:39,132
when they put them at
the bottom of Wilkes

1032
00:57:39,132 --> 00:57:41,473
and it's been up to
the top of Wilkes there

1033
00:57:41,473 --> 00:57:43,728
It's when they put it
at the bottom of Wilkes

1034
00:57:43,728 --> 00:57:47,634
and partially up
Woolwich Five years ago,

1035
00:57:47,634 --> 00:57:49,269
that's when it
started getting bad

1036
00:57:49,269 --> 00:57:50,545
And then just recently,
they moved it.

1037
00:57:50,545 --> 00:57:51,312
The rest of the way up.

1038
00:57:51,312 --> 00:57:54,162
We'll watch to
the edge, to snow.

1039
00:57:54,162 --> 00:57:56,236
And then they know
that they've done.

1040
00:57:56,236 --> 00:57:56,851
One more.

1041
00:57:56,851 --> 00:57:59,742
And so it's a it's a
snowball effect that keeps

1042
00:57:59,742 --> 00:58:03,522
it keeps move in the cars.

1043
00:58:03,522 --> 00:58:09,612
Now, if you look where Stockport
and perceived Ave Valencia meet

1044
00:58:09,612 --> 00:58:11,892
that's where the apartment
is for how far these people

1045
00:58:11,892 --> 00:58:14,262
will travel by parking.

1046
00:58:14,262 --> 00:58:15,882
So one of the things
the city doesn't do

1047
00:58:15,882 --> 00:58:18,762
is address the overcrowding
in the apartment

1048
00:58:18,762 --> 00:58:20,922
There should be there
shouldn't be that many cars.

1049
00:58:20,922 --> 00:58:22,146
First place.

1050
00:58:22,146 --> 00:58:25,770
And so you're putting the
burden on the homeowners.

1051
00:58:25,770 --> 00:58:28,212
But if you took
the five seconds.

1052
00:58:28,212 --> 00:58:30,604
If you took the seven
out of 12 at 58%

1053
00:58:30,604 --> 00:58:34,468
and combined us with the
Greens, then we would pass,

1054
00:58:34,468 --> 00:58:35,802
we would be included.

1055
00:58:35,802 --> 00:58:39,162
We would still be over
the 67% threshold.

1056
00:58:39,162 --> 00:58:43,002
But for us not to get it at
three houses down my house

1057
00:58:43,002 --> 00:58:45,852
and for the houses, three houses
up the other direction to get

1058
00:58:45,852 --> 00:58:47,542
it is just going to screw me.

1059
00:58:47,542 --> 00:58:48,042
Even more.

1060
00:58:48,042 --> 00:58:49,272
Or excuse my language.

1061
00:58:49,272 --> 00:58:52,512
I'm sorry it's going to you
just stay there a minute.

1062
00:58:52,512 --> 00:58:54,942
We're going to open
this up Commissioners

1063
00:58:54,942 --> 00:58:56,172
asking some questions.

1064
00:58:56,172 --> 00:59:00,890
But I did want to ask staff when
we send the ballots out, do.

1065
00:59:00,890 --> 00:59:04,542
Do we just send it
to the home address

1066
00:59:04,542 --> 00:59:10,362
or do we send it to
the owner of the home

1067
00:59:10,362 --> 00:59:14,892
we send it to the owner
of the home Simple code

1068
00:59:14,892 --> 00:59:18,582
requires that the ballot
petition be signed

1069
00:59:18,582 --> 00:59:21,842
by the property owner Bye bye.

1070
00:59:21,842 --> 00:59:22,762
Bye Municipal council.

1071
00:59:22,762 --> 00:59:28,722
We sent it to the
property owner and there,

1072
00:59:28,722 --> 00:59:34,422
as has been mentioned there
are both owner occupied homes

1073
00:59:34,422 --> 00:59:36,582
and rental homes.

1074
00:59:36,582 --> 00:59:39,852
People who live on the
street that are owner

1075
00:59:39,852 --> 00:59:43,992
occupied homes have
the ability to do

1076
00:59:43,992 --> 00:59:49,235
a due canvassing to get
signatures from property owners.

1077
00:59:49,235 --> 00:59:55,713
OK We don't know who
the property owners are.

1078
00:59:55,713 --> 00:59:56,752
They're businesses.

1079
00:59:56,752 --> 01:00:03,432
And, senior living
homes on OK I want

1080
01:00:03,432 --> 01:00:06,399
to think on that for a minute
Commissioners, do we do.

1081
01:00:06,399 --> 01:00:10,092
We have any questions for our
speaker This is a tough one.

1082
01:00:10,092 --> 01:00:10,782
Yeah.

1083
01:00:10,782 --> 01:00:11,792
Oh yeah.

1084
01:00:11,792 --> 01:00:14,285
If you if you do
what's in green,

1085
01:00:14,285 --> 01:00:15,942
it's just going
to push it, right?

1086
01:00:15,942 --> 01:00:19,722
I mean we're actually closer
than the people on letting

1087
01:00:19,722 --> 01:00:23,022
in the people unhindered
I know exactly where

1088
01:00:23,022 --> 01:00:25,437
that's that i walk around.

1089
01:00:25,437 --> 01:00:29,142
Thank you, sir because I
was a parking operations

1090
01:00:29,142 --> 01:00:30,462
commissioner so I didn't.

1091
01:00:30,462 --> 01:00:34,902
But I You bring up
a very good point.

1092
01:00:34,902 --> 01:00:43,902
That's i don't have a solution.

1093
01:00:43,902 --> 01:00:44,772
I don't either.

1094
01:00:44,772 --> 01:00:47,112
This wasn't a problem
before the city started.

1095
01:00:47,112 --> 01:00:49,842
But I see you know,
messing around before.

1096
01:00:49,842 --> 01:00:55,572
But the rest of Wilkes is you
know, has permitted parking

1097
01:00:55,572 --> 01:00:58,514
And then around the
corner over to Costco.

1098
01:00:58,514 --> 01:01:02,636
I know it's basically
one once street

1099
01:01:02,636 --> 01:01:05,016
and there's a barricade
that separates it.

1100
01:01:05,016 --> 01:01:06,885
But it's on the Wilkes side.

1101
01:01:06,885 --> 01:01:07,419
It's.

1102
01:01:07,419 --> 01:01:12,402
Yeah Mr. Patel.

1103
01:01:12,402 --> 01:01:13,152
Yeah.

1104
01:01:13,152 --> 01:01:16,842
I had a question so sure
recognize that you know you are

1105
01:01:16,842 --> 01:01:18,762
you guys are almost
there on your street

1106
01:01:18,762 --> 01:01:22,362
in particular was your
attempts to at least

1107
01:01:22,362 --> 01:01:25,722
I know that you mentioned
that there's nursing facility

1108
01:01:25,722 --> 01:01:29,712
is non-owner occupied homes
but there were probably

1109
01:01:29,712 --> 01:01:32,322
some owner occupied homes
that maybe weren't reached

1110
01:01:32,322 --> 01:01:35,082
or educated enough Do you
feel like if maybe you were

1111
01:01:35,082 --> 01:01:41,442
to attempt to even try to
reach a petition just costo

1112
01:01:41,442 --> 01:01:44,425
and you know, the next
few months granted,

1113
01:01:44,425 --> 01:01:46,620
you're sandwiched between
the green and the yellow,

1114
01:01:46,620 --> 01:01:48,291
so more homes will feel it.

1115
01:01:48,291 --> 01:01:48,791
Yes.

1116
01:01:48,791 --> 01:01:51,762
You know I feel like maybe
that is probably your solution

1117
01:01:51,762 --> 01:01:54,762
to, you know, hopefully
be able to kind

1118
01:01:54,762 --> 01:01:59,202
of make this more contiguous
and, you know, get action.

1119
01:01:59,202 --> 01:02:00,103
Yes.

1120
01:02:00,103 --> 01:02:04,002
That at least that at least let
us repetition and try to push it

1121
01:02:04,002 --> 01:02:09,402
But like I said, if you
include it with the subdivision

1122
01:02:09,402 --> 01:02:14,472
of Hutton Lutton and Hendon,
when you add our 13 of 25

1123
01:02:14,472 --> 01:02:17,322
into that group, it
brings it up to 74%.

1124
01:02:17,322 --> 01:02:19,932
And we're certainly as
close as they are you know,

1125
01:02:19,932 --> 01:02:21,342
the ones that you're approving.

1126
01:02:21,342 --> 01:02:23,712
Yeah, because one of
the, you know, pitfalls

1127
01:02:23,712 --> 01:02:27,329
of having a mailing system
rather than, you know,

1128
01:02:27,329 --> 01:02:29,026
petitioning yourself
is, when you

1129
01:02:29,026 --> 01:02:32,022
petition yourselves
you have your timeline

1130
01:02:32,022 --> 01:02:33,582
that you can collect.

1131
01:02:33,582 --> 01:02:37,032
Those are our neighbors did tell
me that they got a petition They

1132
01:02:37,032 --> 01:02:39,072
received the position
at their house

1133
01:02:39,072 --> 01:02:41,712
and not doubting that their
mail them to the owners.

1134
01:02:41,712 --> 01:02:44,026
But they said they couldn't sign
it, because they're renters.

1135
01:02:44,026 --> 01:02:45,089
They don't own the property.

1136
01:02:45,089 --> 01:02:46,452
And I said, that's
right You know,

1137
01:02:46,452 --> 01:02:48,702
so I don't know how to get
a hold of their owners,

1138
01:02:48,702 --> 01:02:50,616
but I don't know who
their owners are.

1139
01:02:50,616 --> 01:02:53,472
They just have It's been
a rental house for years

1140
01:02:53,472 --> 01:03:01,271
And then you you know, it's
i have a side yard that's

1141
01:03:01,271 --> 01:03:04,868
like a kind of an RV access
and on there have a lift I

1142
01:03:04,868 --> 01:03:06,222
have a collection of old cars.

1143
01:03:06,222 --> 01:03:07,382
So I work on them.

1144
01:03:07,382 --> 01:03:09,882
Never have had a problem
with someone blocking

1145
01:03:09,882 --> 01:03:13,002
my side or yard access It
doesn't have a curb, you know,

1146
01:03:13,002 --> 01:03:13,692
a curb.

1147
01:03:13,692 --> 01:03:17,742
So I have little rubber ramps
to go up and down my side yard

1148
01:03:17,742 --> 01:03:19,962
and it's got cement to
get behind the gate.

1149
01:03:19,962 --> 01:03:22,182
And when I'm behind the gate,
it's closed and working.

1150
01:03:22,182 --> 01:03:24,762
So I don't want to
be ordinance issues

1151
01:03:24,762 --> 01:03:29,022
But you know, now I've got cars
parking there and i've got trash

1152
01:03:29,022 --> 01:03:33,372
and I've got, you know people,
you know, loud at night parking

1153
01:03:33,372 --> 01:03:35,832
at night because when
the other area fills up,

1154
01:03:35,832 --> 01:03:38,459
it starts coming down
our way And, so they're

1155
01:03:38,459 --> 01:03:41,922
up at 1130 at night laughing
and yelling and making noise

1156
01:03:41,922 --> 01:03:43,512
and, you know,
just it's just such

1157
01:03:43,512 --> 01:03:45,792
a nuisance and 30
something years,

1158
01:03:45,792 --> 01:03:47,502
it's never been
like this No, no.

1159
01:03:47,502 --> 01:03:49,332
I think everyone
on this commission,

1160
01:03:49,332 --> 01:03:51,492
even commissions
past I sympathize.

1161
01:03:51,492 --> 01:03:55,122
We recognize this is a similar
theme that we hear over and over

1162
01:03:55,122 --> 01:03:57,192
with areas that
have over parking,

1163
01:03:57,192 --> 01:03:58,932
you know, streets
are having issues.

1164
01:03:58,932 --> 01:04:03,612
Maybe some you know, unintended
behavior on, I have to say,

1165
01:04:03,612 --> 01:04:07,662
compared to the first time when
residents came regarding these

1166
01:04:07,662 --> 01:04:10,152
streets, I saw a much
larger room full of people

1167
01:04:10,152 --> 01:04:14,172
And so today, to see less, I
don't know if folks maybe knew

1168
01:04:14,172 --> 01:04:17,292
that, you know, had a
sense of what the results

1169
01:04:17,292 --> 01:04:19,302
would be after 5 p.m..

1170
01:04:19,302 --> 01:04:22,992
But I have to say, you know, I
think many of these streets that

1171
01:04:22,992 --> 01:04:26,082
were close you definitely
have a chance of, you know,

1172
01:04:26,082 --> 01:04:28,828
trying this again and
trying to do door to door.

1173
01:04:28,828 --> 01:04:30,822
And more than, you know,
just relying on the mailers,

1174
01:04:30,822 --> 01:04:33,942
talking to the renters to
talk to the owners next time

1175
01:04:33,942 --> 01:04:35,652
they do their rent
checks or whatnot.

1176
01:04:35,652 --> 01:04:39,702
But you know, I think I have
to go back to the comments

1177
01:04:39,702 --> 01:04:43,182
and you know, one of the other
speakers tonight that, you know,

1178
01:04:43,182 --> 01:04:47,352
we shouldn't allow, you know,
to the detriment of them,

1179
01:04:47,352 --> 01:04:49,332
the fact that other
areas didn't, you know,

1180
01:04:49,332 --> 01:04:50,712
unfortunate and get
their signatures.

1181
01:04:50,712 --> 01:04:54,803
And so I hope that makes
my I think it's Yeah

1182
01:04:54,803 --> 01:04:59,742
and it's it's probably like like
the other gentleman said it's

1183
01:04:59,742 --> 01:05:03,672
not hurting them today when
you soon as you do the greens

1184
01:05:03,672 --> 01:05:05,070
it's going to hurt
us more and I'm

1185
01:05:05,070 --> 01:05:06,385
only three short tosses down.

1186
01:05:06,385 --> 01:05:11,052
So I see it now it's hurting now
the houses 12 houses down are

1187
01:05:11,052 --> 01:05:12,852
going to start seeing
it because they're

1188
01:05:12,852 --> 01:05:15,651
going to be willing to walk
that much further or right.

1189
01:05:15,651 --> 01:05:17,772
They right at folding
bikes and scooters

1190
01:05:17,772 --> 01:05:19,782
and all kinds of
stuff in their trunks

1191
01:05:19,782 --> 01:05:21,762
to get down to the apartments.

1192
01:05:21,762 --> 01:05:23,742
But it's, you know,
And then is there

1193
01:05:23,742 --> 01:05:25,722
anything we can do with the
parking at the apartments?

1194
01:05:25,722 --> 01:05:28,452
I mean, is there anything
we can do to stop the limit?

1195
01:05:28,452 --> 01:05:30,132
How many people are
in each apartment

1196
01:05:30,132 --> 01:05:32,052
How many families live in each?

1197
01:05:32,052 --> 01:05:34,842
So the reason why
no go got Go ahead.

1198
01:05:34,842 --> 01:05:38,712
I was just going to say
that that is a hot topic.

1199
01:05:38,712 --> 01:05:41,212
Yeah I mean, I sympathize with
the owner of the apartment

1200
01:05:41,212 --> 01:05:42,012
They want to make money.

1201
01:05:42,012 --> 01:05:45,672
But, you know we're some of the
new developments that we have

1202
01:05:45,672 --> 01:05:47,232
coming into the
city that you know,

1203
01:05:47,232 --> 01:05:52,967
the state will regulate 1.5
park in spot per apartment.

1204
01:05:52,967 --> 01:05:53,467
Yeah.

1205
01:05:53,467 --> 01:05:54,351
And they have.

1206
01:05:54,351 --> 01:05:55,882
And each apartment
has three cars.

1207
01:05:55,882 --> 01:05:56,382
Yeah.

1208
01:05:56,382 --> 01:05:57,802
3 or 4 adults living there.

1209
01:05:57,802 --> 01:06:02,022
So the state doesn't put
us in a good position

1210
01:06:02,022 --> 01:06:06,942
to to tell developers
or apartments how to,

1211
01:06:06,942 --> 01:06:08,142
how to regulate that.

1212
01:06:08,142 --> 01:06:11,769
So but that is, that
is the hot topic.

1213
01:06:11,769 --> 01:06:15,632
What you're saying right now
is because we consistently

1214
01:06:15,632 --> 01:06:18,162
see that everywhere
in the city where

1215
01:06:18,162 --> 01:06:20,022
we have high density housing.

1216
01:06:20,022 --> 01:06:20,892
Right.

1217
01:06:20,892 --> 01:06:22,942
We this is exactly what we see.

1218
01:06:22,942 --> 01:06:23,442
Yeah.

1219
01:06:23,442 --> 01:06:23,942
Yeah.

1220
01:06:23,942 --> 01:06:26,322
I was going to add that, you
know, part of the reasons why,

1221
01:06:26,322 --> 01:06:30,702
you know in prior commissions
I've tried to explore even next

1222
01:06:30,702 --> 01:06:33,192
month when we have
our on you know,

1223
01:06:33,192 --> 01:06:37,482
town hall sort of setting on the
12th for parking Part of that is

1224
01:06:37,482 --> 01:06:40,994
because I'm personally,
I've always been an advocate

1225
01:06:40,994 --> 01:06:45,132
of if the state is mandating
what parking we can or cannot

1226
01:06:45,132 --> 01:06:49,032
allow for new developments
or any kind of development,

1227
01:06:49,032 --> 01:06:52,902
then it's up to the city and its
residents to make sure that we

1228
01:06:52,902 --> 01:06:55,692
can protect our common
resource, which is the streets

1229
01:06:55,692 --> 01:06:57,927
that all of our taxes maintain.

1230
01:06:57,927 --> 01:07:00,492
And, those streets
are your streets

1231
01:07:00,492 --> 01:07:03,312
And so, you know, regulating
them is your solution.

1232
01:07:03,312 --> 01:07:07,662
I feel compared to, you know,
what is outside of our purview

1233
01:07:07,662 --> 01:07:11,142
when it comes to that 1.5
parking spaces per apartment

1234
01:07:11,142 --> 01:07:14,622
unit into And then
is there any way

1235
01:07:14,622 --> 01:07:16,599
to subdivide the
subdivided I mean,

1236
01:07:16,599 --> 01:07:18,708
I guarantee you the
first seven homes.

1237
01:07:18,708 --> 01:07:23,172
I know for sure the first seven
homes I've tried to cut this

1238
01:07:23,172 --> 01:07:25,002
every way they possibly could.

1239
01:07:25,002 --> 01:07:26,021
Staff can speak to that.

1240
01:07:26,021 --> 01:07:27,822
Like I said, this
closer yard to the park,

1241
01:07:27,822 --> 01:07:29,125
the more it impacts you.

1242
01:07:29,125 --> 01:07:31,722
So the first seven homes were
across the street from me

1243
01:07:31,722 --> 01:07:34,092
and three on my side,
four on my side.

1244
01:07:34,092 --> 01:07:36,989
I know for a fact the
first eight homes.

1245
01:07:36,989 --> 01:07:40,302
I could get 200% because
they've already they're already

1246
01:07:40,302 --> 01:07:41,712
starting to experience it now.

1247
01:07:41,712 --> 01:07:45,702
So they know So if you
the commissioners can look

1248
01:07:45,702 --> 01:07:50,472
at the map in front of them to
see who actually respond bonded

1249
01:07:50,472 --> 01:07:53,322
the homes directly across the
street from Beckenham Park

1250
01:07:53,322 --> 01:07:56,082
is actually Wilks Place
That's the section,

1251
01:07:56,082 --> 01:07:58,212
you live in, correct, sir
Right across the street

1252
01:07:58,212 --> 01:07:59,719
from Beckenham Park.

1253
01:07:59,719 --> 01:08:00,853
I live on.

1254
01:08:00,853 --> 01:08:01,752
See where the curve is on?

1255
01:08:01,752 --> 01:08:05,862
Casto Yes, I live on the inside
of the curve across the street,

1256
01:08:05,862 --> 01:08:07,692
you know, but the
corner of the park

1257
01:08:07,692 --> 01:08:09,552
is where the greenery
meets the red.

1258
01:08:09,552 --> 01:08:12,012
And so I'm three
houses in and I know

1259
01:08:12,012 --> 01:08:14,412
the first house, the second
house and the third house

1260
01:08:14,412 --> 01:08:16,332
all signed for sure.

1261
01:08:16,332 --> 01:08:18,391
The house directly
across the street from me

1262
01:08:18,391 --> 01:08:20,442
here and the owners here.

1263
01:08:20,442 --> 01:08:26,412
And I'm fairly certain the
people on the corner and i'm

1264
01:08:26,412 --> 01:08:29,352
not the one, the one next
to the corners, a rental.

1265
01:08:29,352 --> 01:08:29,892
I'm sorry.

1266
01:08:29,892 --> 01:08:32,052
What What if you're willing
to give your address, can you

1267
01:08:32,052 --> 01:08:38,802
provide your address to
4892 So on first Street,

1268
01:08:38,802 --> 01:08:43,542
as as we've already said,
seven of the 12 homes

1269
01:08:43,542 --> 01:08:49,842
provide and return of
petition in that segment

1270
01:08:49,842 --> 01:08:52,992
And even if you were to add
that to the other segment

1271
01:08:52,992 --> 01:08:56,592
is you have to add up the total
number of homes, total number

1272
01:08:56,592 --> 01:08:59,412
of people who've returned
petitions divided by the number

1273
01:08:59,412 --> 01:09:02,562
of homes in the segment.

1274
01:09:02,562 --> 01:09:04,947
And that doesn't that that.

1275
01:09:04,947 --> 01:09:09,554
So if we if we took the
13 out of 25 and added it

1276
01:09:09,554 --> 01:09:13,812
to the Lutton and
ended, then we would be

1277
01:09:13,812 --> 01:09:17,504
at 4,074% 47 out of Third 63.

1278
01:09:17,504 --> 01:09:23,622
And we're like I said, we're
just as close as they are.

1279
01:09:23,622 --> 01:09:26,322
I had no idea that if they
sent out that many, you know,

1280
01:09:26,322 --> 01:09:28,812
that they had an okay, so
let's take a look at your math

1281
01:09:28,812 --> 01:10:12,342
here for quick second OK That's
sort I am getting 31 out of 50.

1282
01:10:12,342 --> 01:10:17,472
I'm not getting i'm
getting less than 67%.

1283
01:10:17,472 --> 01:10:19,422
I'm adding up the
green ones that are

1284
01:10:19,422 --> 01:10:22,272
shown on the screen over there.

1285
01:10:22,272 --> 01:10:25,758
And then I'm adding the
seven of 12 in the seventh.

1286
01:10:25,758 --> 01:10:28,568
So the numerator and I'm
adding 12 to the denominator

1287
01:10:28,568 --> 01:10:36,872
and I'm not getting 67% was your
numerator So if you actually,

1288
01:10:36,872 --> 01:10:38,558
you know what, I did
my own math wrong.

1289
01:10:38,558 --> 01:10:39,536
You did it wrong.

1290
01:10:39,536 --> 01:10:40,036
Yeah.

1291
01:10:40,036 --> 01:10:41,581
Because it's 41 out of 50.

1292
01:10:41,581 --> 01:10:44,316
OK And you get included.

1293
01:10:44,316 --> 01:10:45,942
So first, you can also.

1294
01:10:45,942 --> 01:10:47,502
Yeah, you could
include Salford if you

1295
01:10:47,502 --> 01:10:52,255
wanted to in Salford Then when I
do that study it would still be.

1296
01:10:52,255 --> 01:10:57,342
And that's 51 out of 70 But
again, we're starting to get

1297
01:10:57,342 --> 01:10:59,365
into disconnected pieces.

1298
01:10:59,365 --> 01:11:00,847
Yours is a connected piece.

1299
01:11:00,847 --> 01:11:03,342
And I would agree that
that would probably

1300
01:11:03,342 --> 01:11:05,652
be if they divided
it by how close

1301
01:11:05,652 --> 01:11:07,092
you are to the park
and the parking

1302
01:11:07,092 --> 01:11:09,942
problem that's been created.

1303
01:11:09,942 --> 01:11:13,242
But like as soon
as you pass ours,

1304
01:11:13,242 --> 01:11:16,272
I understand people are going
to be standing here representing

1305
01:11:16,272 --> 01:11:18,462
their homes and you All right.

1306
01:11:18,462 --> 01:11:20,832
I understand, sir, But this
business of the city council

1307
01:11:20,832 --> 01:11:24,582
for approval and they don't
they have not generally

1308
01:11:24,582 --> 01:11:27,882
approved of discussing the
council approved the lower ones

1309
01:11:27,882 --> 01:11:29,412
And that's what
started this problem.

1310
01:11:29,412 --> 01:11:31,542
I agree And then they
approved the next set.

1311
01:11:31,542 --> 01:11:33,882
And that compounded
the problem Now,

1312
01:11:33,882 --> 01:11:35,862
they approved the no
parking at the park,

1313
01:11:35,862 --> 01:11:37,690
which compounds it even more.

1314
01:11:37,690 --> 01:11:38,198
Right.

1315
01:11:38,198 --> 01:11:40,484
And so we're getting
the brunt of it.

1316
01:11:40,484 --> 01:11:42,642
And like i said, if
you don't take out

1317
01:11:42,642 --> 01:11:46,742
the rentals for owners who
don't care then or give

1318
01:11:46,742 --> 01:11:48,662
us their names and addresses.

1319
01:11:48,662 --> 01:11:52,630
So we can canvas them
then we don't have,

1320
01:11:52,630 --> 01:11:54,792
you know, we're stuck right?

1321
01:11:54,792 --> 01:11:55,362
I guess.

1322
01:11:55,362 --> 01:11:56,232
Yeah.

1323
01:11:56,232 --> 01:11:58,422
It's up to the
commission right, tonight

1324
01:11:58,422 --> 01:12:00,882
to decide whether or
not these are just

1325
01:12:00,882 --> 01:12:03,432
contiguous sections or not.

1326
01:12:03,432 --> 01:12:07,872
The way that I see Salford is
it would the existing yellow

1327
01:12:07,872 --> 01:12:11,772
and by having the at least
the Costco section connected

1328
01:12:11,772 --> 01:12:15,012
to the green and the yellow,
it kind of creates more of a

1329
01:12:15,012 --> 01:12:17,143
you know, district Yeah.

1330
01:12:17,143 --> 01:12:18,582
If it does connect like that.

1331
01:12:18,582 --> 01:12:26,322
Yeah I guess I'd be open
to other commissioners

1332
01:12:26,322 --> 01:12:32,214
whose thoughts you should be.

1333
01:12:32,214 --> 01:12:34,662
Another piece that over here.

1334
01:12:34,662 --> 01:12:36,237
Can you go back
to the slide Sam.

1335
01:12:36,237 --> 01:12:40,886
Yes, please I would
just leg forward please.

1336
01:12:40,886 --> 01:12:45,264
So your adding
Salford into this.

1337
01:12:45,264 --> 01:12:46,428
And then this.

1338
01:12:46,428 --> 01:12:48,174
And then adding that piece.

1339
01:12:48,174 --> 01:12:48,756
Yeah.

1340
01:12:48,756 --> 01:12:52,165
And then all this would be
create All this would be green.

1341
01:12:52,165 --> 01:12:57,388
And then just to turn 72.8.

1342
01:12:57,388 --> 01:12:58,275
Okay.

1343
01:12:58,275 --> 01:12:59,162
Yeah.

1344
01:12:59,162 --> 01:13:00,048
OK.

1345
01:13:00,048 --> 01:13:03,624
So then this would
be kind of like this.

1346
01:13:03,624 --> 01:13:06,142
OK Yes.

1347
01:13:06,142 --> 01:13:09,326
Now, in that Wilks place
the one on the floor.

1348
01:13:09,326 --> 01:13:09,962
I think.

1349
01:13:09,962 --> 01:13:12,402
I think there's at
least one senior living.

1350
01:13:12,402 --> 01:13:14,322
But I don't know about rentals.

1351
01:13:14,322 --> 01:13:17,430
I just know there is
one senior living.

1352
01:13:17,430 --> 01:13:20,532
So it's a business
It's actually three.

1353
01:13:20,532 --> 01:13:22,092
If you're talking
residential homes.

1354
01:13:22,092 --> 01:13:24,297
So there saying by adding
those numbers together,

1355
01:13:24,297 --> 01:13:25,572
we meet the threshold.

1356
01:13:25,572 --> 01:13:30,462
Yes, it looks like so lot
of embarrassment for me.

1357
01:13:30,462 --> 01:13:34,362
But if you add a Wilkes
Place neighborhood 1 to 4,

1358
01:13:34,362 --> 01:13:39,042
if you add pesto between
Camberwell and Woolwich

1359
01:13:39,042 --> 01:13:42,762
each that that
segment only 7 of 12.

1360
01:13:42,762 --> 01:13:49,842
And then you add in Salford St
I want to do my math again here

1361
01:13:49,842 --> 01:13:52,482
and I'm on and I'm
getting 52 over 74.

1362
01:13:52,482 --> 01:13:56,952
So I need to go do the math
one more time on And then

1363
01:13:56,952 --> 01:13:58,035
quick question on cost.

1364
01:13:58,035 --> 01:14:01,684
So st So I know this cul
de sac is also a cost.

1365
01:14:01,684 --> 01:14:04,362
So yeah, that's what's
included in the larger costs

1366
01:14:04,362 --> 01:14:06,372
which is the 13 of the 25.

1367
01:14:06,372 --> 01:14:09,822
So i guess because if the
concern of the city staff

1368
01:14:09,822 --> 01:14:14,742
is Salford St if we
connected all these sections,

1369
01:14:14,742 --> 01:14:17,832
we would still get
over the 67, right?

1370
01:14:17,832 --> 01:14:23,651
I can go through
the math there And

1371
01:14:23,651 --> 01:14:26,172
when I was looking at this
in isolation over here,

1372
01:14:26,172 --> 01:14:27,212
what do you.

1373
01:14:27,212 --> 01:14:29,032
So I'm suggesting that
this is technically

1374
01:14:29,032 --> 01:14:33,132
also costo st right,
apologise for the sign

1375
01:14:33,132 --> 01:14:33,976
Well, you're fine, but.

1376
01:14:33,976 --> 01:14:34,943
Well, it's good that we work.

1377
01:14:34,943 --> 01:14:35,838
I appreciate you.

1378
01:14:35,838 --> 01:14:41,610
Appreciate you words here and
also had quite a few signatures.

1379
01:14:41,610 --> 01:14:43,315
So we could actually
started from here.

1380
01:14:43,315 --> 01:14:44,982
And if the city
staff were concerned

1381
01:14:44,982 --> 01:14:49,152
that this would be disjointed,
this all combined Yes.

1382
01:14:49,152 --> 01:14:51,252
Would actually make
it much harder.

1383
01:14:51,252 --> 01:14:53,139
Slide sound, please OK.

1384
01:14:53,139 --> 01:14:55,613
But the numbers here
to meet the threshold

1385
01:14:55,613 --> 01:14:58,289
when those are added in.

1386
01:14:58,289 --> 01:14:59,317
OK.

1387
01:14:59,317 --> 01:15:08,052
Okay Can you go back to the
St so so this time Okay.

1388
01:15:08,052 --> 01:15:12,969
From this cul de sac, it's 30.

1389
01:15:12,969 --> 01:15:14,122
Oh, yeah.

1390
01:15:14,122 --> 01:15:14,987
So yeah.

1391
01:15:14,987 --> 01:15:15,563
Typo.

1392
01:15:15,563 --> 01:15:17,232
Yeah Sorry, folks.

1393
01:15:17,232 --> 01:15:21,132
Julie So there's a typo
on Salford St ten of 30

1394
01:15:21,132 --> 01:15:27,702
rather than 20 Ten of 31 of 20.

1395
01:15:27,702 --> 01:15:29,352
Yeah.

1396
01:15:29,352 --> 01:15:31,132
She's circled on
a piece of paper

1397
01:15:31,132 --> 01:15:34,489
20, which was supposed to be
the threshold for getting a 67%.

1398
01:15:34,489 --> 01:15:37,392
And I wrote down
the wrong number.

1399
01:15:37,392 --> 01:15:39,552
Can you double check
and truly the numbers

1400
01:15:39,552 --> 01:15:52,122
what we're doing this so that
bottom number should be at 30.

1401
01:15:52,122 --> 01:15:53,022
Yes, 20.

1402
01:15:53,022 --> 01:15:55,092
That's correct.

1403
01:15:55,092 --> 01:15:59,772
So so that puts us back
under the threshold.

1404
01:15:59,772 --> 01:16:02,152
we can still include
that section and things.

1405
01:16:02,152 --> 01:16:02,652
Okay.

1406
01:16:02,652 --> 01:16:03,192
Yeah.

1407
01:16:03,192 --> 01:16:05,772
Also, if you look at
the geography of it

1408
01:16:05,772 --> 01:16:10,632
after after hindon, if
you go back to the map,

1409
01:16:10,632 --> 01:16:13,842
if you look at your map after
the curve of Costo and ended

1410
01:16:13,842 --> 01:16:16,932
it's going downhill And
so people like walking

1411
01:16:16,932 --> 01:16:18,702
uphill to get to their place.

1412
01:16:18,702 --> 01:16:21,809
But from i guess
it's not that big

1413
01:16:21,809 --> 01:16:24,522
a deal when they need
parking they need parking.

1414
01:16:24,522 --> 01:16:29,172
But right now, you know, they're
not sulfur doesn't see the same.

1415
01:16:29,172 --> 01:16:31,902
My view is, is there any
way to pull up the map

1416
01:16:31,902 --> 01:16:39,750
and actually drawing it straight
to what's that is 30 on Salford?

1417
01:16:39,750 --> 01:16:41,166
It is 30.

1418
01:16:41,166 --> 01:16:41,874
OK.

1419
01:16:41,874 --> 01:16:46,632
Each section and you
know, I'm saying.

1420
01:16:46,632 --> 01:16:49,932
Like for everyone to
have just to make notes.

1421
01:16:49,932 --> 01:16:55,358
Yeah there is 30 down here.

1422
01:16:55,358 --> 01:16:58,512
Having Salford
makes up less 67%.

1423
01:16:58,512 --> 01:17:07,332
OK So combining the
ten of 30 on Salford

1424
01:17:07,332 --> 01:17:09,492
does that, combining
all those areas

1425
01:17:09,492 --> 01:17:13,287
together is that bring us
back under the threshold.

1426
01:17:13,287 --> 01:17:20,717
So if you do as the Speaker
suggest and you add in cost so 7

1427
01:17:20,717 --> 01:17:26,262
of 12 and Wilks, which was one
of four at that point in time,

1428
01:17:26,262 --> 01:17:37,032
you would have I'm sorry
13 my deal was Castro up

1429
01:17:37,032 --> 01:17:41,806
to the hand in Woolwich
each corner intersection

1430
01:17:41,806 --> 01:17:46,422
and yes, back up
to the Camberwell

1431
01:17:46,422 --> 01:17:50,982
and probably then those
three homes were wilks

1432
01:17:50,982 --> 01:17:54,013
are for homes that we said that
got zero response Is that what

1433
01:17:54,013 --> 01:18:00,912
it was anyway that would be
they would get shafted okay

1434
01:18:00,912 --> 01:18:08,412
but it would still be Yeah
so we're still short on that.

1435
01:18:08,412 --> 01:18:10,512
If we only add to
the green areas,

1436
01:18:10,512 --> 01:18:13,902
if we only add from
castello from Hendon,

1437
01:18:13,902 --> 01:18:23,442
Woolwich to where the
seven out of 1213 for Yeah.

1438
01:18:23,442 --> 01:18:26,142
Even if you went through
the whole street 13 or 25,

1439
01:18:26,142 --> 01:18:27,552
it would still pass.

1440
01:18:27,552 --> 01:18:30,072
If you just added it to the
green ones that are approved.

1441
01:18:30,072 --> 01:18:36,252
But I'm, I'm talking
about distance,

1442
01:18:36,252 --> 01:18:40,932
so it's not fair that we
didn't take into account all

1443
01:18:40,932 --> 01:18:45,365
the business is in the senior
nursing homes and in rentals

1444
01:18:45,365 --> 01:18:46,943
and we didn't you don't.

1445
01:18:46,943 --> 01:18:49,722
We have too much
of that affecting

1446
01:18:49,722 --> 01:18:54,737
but then it's just starting now
to get worse because they just

1447
01:18:54,737 --> 01:18:56,562
put up those signs
last months Let's see

1448
01:18:56,562 --> 01:18:58,912
where the math takes us back.

1449
01:18:58,912 --> 01:18:59,712
Thank you for your help.

1450
01:18:59,712 --> 01:19:41,517
I appreciate it So
adding all of Castello in

1451
01:19:41,517 --> 01:19:44,794
would still be above the 67.

1452
01:19:44,794 --> 01:19:50,442
So all of Cristo to
that cul de sac Lutton

1453
01:19:50,442 --> 01:19:54,042
Yeah, I'm not sure
you're referring this

1454
01:19:54,042 --> 01:19:56,952
is like two that are
st This one here.

1455
01:19:56,952 --> 01:20:02,139
Yeah, that's all of that And
then all of Salford, Salford

1456
01:20:02,139 --> 01:20:05,652
is because it's ten of
30, it's to the detriment

1457
01:20:05,652 --> 01:20:07,939
of the okay of the process.

1458
01:20:07,939 --> 01:20:09,503
That's, that's
the problem there.

1459
01:20:09,503 --> 01:20:10,003
OK.

1460
01:20:10,003 --> 01:20:11,518
So the issue is.

1461
01:20:11,518 --> 01:20:15,912
So if you approve all
of that on Castello,

1462
01:20:15,912 --> 01:20:19,572
all the way down to
that cul de sac, now

1463
01:20:19,572 --> 01:20:24,972
sell Salford is wide
open for a for folks

1464
01:20:24,972 --> 01:20:38,945
parking on that street OK well
it is technically bounded by 2.

1465
01:20:38,945 --> 01:20:40,662
Sure Yeah, sure.

1466
01:20:40,662 --> 01:20:42,167
But the issue is.

1467
01:20:42,167 --> 01:20:45,024
So you're removing
all this, you know,

1468
01:20:45,024 --> 01:20:46,732
and pushing and all of this.

1469
01:20:46,732 --> 01:20:47,232
Yeah.

1470
01:20:47,232 --> 01:20:47,732
Yeah.

1471
01:20:47,732 --> 01:20:49,362
And you're pushing the changes.

1472
01:20:49,362 --> 01:20:52,302
Didn't have the numbers OK.

1473
01:20:52,302 --> 01:20:56,082
Yeah, right Okay.

1474
01:20:56,082 --> 01:20:57,282
Okay Thank you, sir.

1475
01:20:57,282 --> 01:20:57,822
Thank you, sir.

1476
01:20:57,822 --> 01:20:58,572
Appreciate your time.

1477
01:20:58,572 --> 01:20:59,722
Thank you so much, everybody.

1478
01:20:59,722 --> 01:21:03,372
And and actually helping
us to dig in a little bit

1479
01:21:03,372 --> 01:21:04,505
deeper here Okay.

1480
01:21:04,505 --> 01:21:05,172
Have a good evening.

1481
01:21:05,172 --> 01:21:05,442
Thank you.

1482
01:21:05,442 --> 01:21:06,072
Appreciate that.

1483
01:21:06,072 --> 01:21:09,282
Thank you Clark.

1484
01:21:09,282 --> 01:21:11,532
Our next speaker, please.

1485
01:21:11,532 --> 01:21:15,222
Next speakers, Ed
SAP, we go, followed

1486
01:21:15,222 --> 01:21:20,772
by Kathy wolosky Good evening,
sir, and good evening, everyone.

1487
01:21:20,772 --> 01:21:21,642
Thank you for being here.

1488
01:21:21,642 --> 01:21:27,402
I know these committees are
out of your normal 8 to 5 jobs.

1489
01:21:27,402 --> 01:21:30,867
And Mr. Miller, thank you for
your initial comments about it

1490
01:21:30,867 --> 01:21:33,417
is a drop in the water
that spreads out?

1491
01:21:33,417 --> 01:21:35,952
Yes Mr. Patel, I think
you've said something

1492
01:21:35,952 --> 01:21:40,194
very important Contact
contiguous to the parking

1493
01:21:40,194 --> 01:21:42,042
is a requirement.

1494
01:21:42,042 --> 01:21:45,492
If you leave Salford out,
you're going to create a pocket

1495
01:21:45,492 --> 01:21:47,622
where you're going
to have a this is

1496
01:21:47,622 --> 01:21:50,052
going to come up very quickly.

1497
01:21:50,052 --> 01:21:52,926
And I would implore Mr.
Aims to I apologize.

1498
01:21:52,926 --> 01:21:56,485
My name's Ed Zapico and
I'm a 38 year residence

1499
01:21:56,485 --> 01:21:57,285
of living with the Hill.

1500
01:21:57,285 --> 01:22:00,492
So I was here before
the city was started.

1501
01:22:00,492 --> 01:22:02,442
I own several homes
in Laguna Hills

1502
01:22:02,442 --> 01:22:05,007
and we've chosen to live here.

1503
01:22:05,007 --> 01:22:07,302
We love the city
My kids go here.

1504
01:22:07,302 --> 01:22:09,642
You know, my
grandkids live here.

1505
01:22:09,642 --> 01:22:12,282
But I would employ
Mr. Aims to recommend

1506
01:22:12,282 --> 01:22:14,872
to you guys to include salford.

1507
01:22:14,872 --> 01:22:15,972
Even though I
don't live there, I

1508
01:22:15,972 --> 01:22:21,042
live on the corner of
Camberwell in the Hamden for 95,

1509
01:22:21,042 --> 01:22:24,094
so to drive I've been
there since 2000.

1510
01:22:24,094 --> 01:22:26,682
OK And my next door
neighbor just sold.

1511
01:22:26,682 --> 01:22:28,002
It is going to sell
his house because

1512
01:22:28,002 --> 01:22:29,922
of the parking situation.

1513
01:22:29,922 --> 01:22:31,362
Two doors down, my
neighbor is going

1514
01:22:31,362 --> 01:22:33,042
to start selling this house.

1515
01:22:33,042 --> 01:22:36,751
These are neighbors
I've had for 25 years.

1516
01:22:36,751 --> 01:22:38,412
It does affect the
quality of life.

1517
01:22:38,412 --> 01:22:41,682
And I I want to be empathetic
to the whole situation.

1518
01:22:41,682 --> 01:22:43,632
But I'm not to be
honest with you.

1519
01:22:43,632 --> 01:22:47,862
Sure I think there is a
bigger element of problem

1520
01:22:47,862 --> 01:22:49,872
that the city has because
of the state mandates

1521
01:22:49,872 --> 01:22:51,522
that are coming your way.

1522
01:22:51,522 --> 01:22:53,352
But, Mr. Patel,
you've said it right

1523
01:22:53,352 --> 01:22:56,532
And we have to protect our
own streets for right now.

1524
01:22:56,532 --> 01:22:58,182
I mean, I think the
sequel commission should

1525
01:22:58,182 --> 01:23:00,282
go through the talks
about air quality

1526
01:23:00,282 --> 01:23:03,762
that protects the individual
cities Those are things that I

1527
01:23:03,762 --> 01:23:06,672
think you should look at it
from a technical standpoint

1528
01:23:06,672 --> 01:23:09,372
And I know the council people
will be looking at numbers

1529
01:23:09,372 --> 01:23:11,382
and numbers only 6 to 7%.

1530
01:23:11,382 --> 01:23:14,682
We're only a 6 to 6%, but
you as the commissioners

1531
01:23:14,682 --> 01:23:18,852
have the right to recommend
anything you want.

1532
01:23:18,852 --> 01:23:21,702
And it's just a matter of
arguing that out or making

1533
01:23:21,702 --> 01:23:25,152
the council people
understand that as

1534
01:23:25,152 --> 01:23:27,822
to the benefit of the
community, at least this part

1535
01:23:27,822 --> 01:23:31,002
of the community, to have
a contiguous non parking

1536
01:23:31,002 --> 01:23:33,582
no parking know
except for residents.

1537
01:23:33,582 --> 01:23:35,292
And we're just imploring
that you guys look at it

1538
01:23:35,292 --> 01:23:37,752
as a contiguous
process, not just

1539
01:23:37,752 --> 01:23:41,042
pockets of 67%, percent of 40%.

1540
01:23:41,042 --> 01:23:43,427
And then unfortunately the
numbers that brought you down

1541
01:23:43,427 --> 01:23:47,772
are that it's the
HOA that's bringing

1542
01:23:47,772 --> 01:23:52,692
you guys down overall from the
numbers I'm seeing up here.

1543
01:23:52,692 --> 01:23:56,398
So, again, I'm just here
to emphasize that I support

1544
01:23:56,398 --> 01:24:01,094
the parking requirements
for the properties Everybody

1545
01:24:01,094 --> 01:24:02,859
said, what I wanted
to say earlier.

1546
01:24:02,859 --> 01:24:05,202
You know you can't clean
the streets when the parks

1547
01:24:05,202 --> 01:24:07,152
are there for all the time.

1548
01:24:07,152 --> 01:24:10,782
I live across the street from
the park and I want a 100%.

1549
01:24:10,782 --> 01:24:13,902
I mean, we were up there talking
about all last two months

1550
01:24:13,902 --> 01:24:15,072
about this or whatever.

1551
01:24:15,072 --> 01:24:19,992
It's been so so we would like
to have the city implement

1552
01:24:19,992 --> 01:24:24,432
this as quickly as possible
And the next question

1553
01:24:24,432 --> 01:24:26,202
is, what is the next process?

1554
01:24:26,202 --> 01:24:27,882
Because going to happen again.

1555
01:24:27,882 --> 01:24:28,812
Right.

1556
01:24:28,812 --> 01:24:31,572
So again, thank you
Thank you for being here.

1557
01:24:31,572 --> 01:24:35,142
And it just we as
the commission,

1558
01:24:35,142 --> 01:24:38,622
we love hearing from the
community, especially folks

1559
01:24:38,622 --> 01:24:41,204
like yourself, that have been
in the community for so long.

1560
01:24:41,204 --> 01:24:44,112
You've seen all the
changes Commissioners,

1561
01:24:44,112 --> 01:24:46,782
do you have any comments or
questions for our speaker

1562
01:24:46,782 --> 01:24:50,682
tonight I think we're
grinding it through still.

1563
01:24:50,682 --> 01:24:53,352
Yeah And we do appreciate
your time And you know,

1564
01:24:53,352 --> 01:24:56,898
I mean, I guess
content contiguous

1565
01:24:56,898 --> 01:24:58,482
This is a very
important process for us

1566
01:24:58,482 --> 01:25:02,322
because even such a small street
like self that doesn't get

1567
01:25:02,322 --> 01:25:06,942
the parking permits
it's going to impact

1568
01:25:06,942 --> 01:25:08,204
the entire neighborhood.

1569
01:25:08,204 --> 01:25:10,422
It's the unintended consequence.

1570
01:25:10,422 --> 01:25:14,352
And we were we've been dealing
as a commission we've been

1571
01:25:14,352 --> 01:25:19,242
dealing with this in in the
city And, you know, I mean,

1572
01:25:19,242 --> 01:25:23,562
there are folks that will maybe
they live at Alisha Village

1573
01:25:23,562 --> 01:25:27,222
and they'll park a mile away
and keep an e-bike in the back

1574
01:25:27,222 --> 01:25:30,942
of their car and drive their
e-bike back to Alisha Village

1575
01:25:30,942 --> 01:25:32,952
after they park in
front of your house.

1576
01:25:32,952 --> 01:25:36,882
I mean all the stories
we hear it all,

1577
01:25:36,882 --> 01:25:38,022
but we empathize with it.

1578
01:25:38,022 --> 01:25:41,322
I mean thank you so much for
being here tonight, Mr. Patel.

1579
01:25:41,322 --> 01:25:43,212
You have some questions?

1580
01:25:43,212 --> 01:25:46,722
I recognize that you are
asking the commission

1581
01:25:46,722 --> 01:25:51,562
to recommend something to the
City Council that would not

1582
01:25:51,562 --> 01:25:56,832
necessarily fall in line with
the technical ordinance for that

1583
01:25:56,832 --> 01:25:58,002
67%.

1584
01:25:58,002 --> 01:26:01,512
So i just to give you some
background on the reason why

1585
01:26:01,512 --> 01:26:03,912
there's always a lot of
residents that are not

1586
01:26:03,912 --> 01:26:07,032
happy with this commission
when it comes to stop signs

1587
01:26:07,032 --> 01:26:09,582
and, you know, parking permit
programs is because, you know,

1588
01:26:09,582 --> 01:26:12,522
this commission is actually
responsible for making sure

1589
01:26:12,522 --> 01:26:14,974
that, you know, the
city's ordinances are

1590
01:26:14,974 --> 01:26:16,980
used appropriately
when we're making

1591
01:26:16,980 --> 01:26:18,012
recommendations it's true.

1592
01:26:18,012 --> 01:26:19,452
We can make whatever
recommendation

1593
01:26:19,452 --> 01:26:21,042
we want to the council.

1594
01:26:21,042 --> 01:26:24,042
But i think it's kind of
a false promise in a way,

1595
01:26:24,042 --> 01:26:26,262
because if it's not
us saying no to you,

1596
01:26:26,262 --> 01:26:28,302
then it will go all the
way to the city council.

1597
01:26:28,302 --> 01:26:31,242
And they will say no to
you because legal counsel

1598
01:26:31,242 --> 01:26:33,592
is trying to protect the
city's resources and assets.

1599
01:26:33,592 --> 01:26:34,092
Right.

1600
01:26:34,092 --> 01:26:37,902
Nobody in this community wants
de-funded parks or police

1601
01:26:37,902 --> 01:26:41,232
services because we lost a
massive lawsuit because somebody

1602
01:26:41,232 --> 01:26:44,142
sued about a stop sign that
shouldn't have existed there

1603
01:26:44,142 --> 01:26:47,232
or, you know, a parking
permit program that you know,

1604
01:26:47,232 --> 01:26:49,602
didn't meet the threshold
of the city's ordinances.

1605
01:26:49,602 --> 01:26:54,282
So you know, we're
trying to balance that.

1606
01:26:54,282 --> 01:26:57,042
if it's just numbers, then
there's ways to look that number

1607
01:26:57,042 --> 01:26:59,502
in a way that
maximizes the well,

1608
01:26:59,502 --> 01:27:04,482
you know, I think
staff again, receiving

1609
01:27:04,482 --> 01:27:06,312
all the ballots by 5:00 today.

1610
01:27:06,312 --> 01:27:08,892
They worked really
hard to figure

1611
01:27:08,892 --> 01:27:12,466
out where those numbers could
go, trying to figure that.

1612
01:27:12,466 --> 01:27:17,322
I see that here and,
you know, that's

1613
01:27:17,322 --> 01:27:19,092
why we're diving
deep into it right

1614
01:27:19,092 --> 01:27:21,042
now during the meeting is this.

1615
01:27:21,042 --> 01:27:23,250
How can we make
these numbers work?

1616
01:27:23,250 --> 01:27:29,232
But as vice Chair Patel states,
we cannot legally recommend

1617
01:27:29,232 --> 01:27:31,812
to the city council somebody
that's going to violate

1618
01:27:31,812 --> 01:27:37,812
something that's going to
violate an ordinance or a policy

1619
01:27:37,812 --> 01:27:41,592
because the city council then
legally has to say yes to that,

1620
01:27:41,592 --> 01:27:45,198
which jeopardizes the city.

1621
01:27:45,198 --> 01:27:48,732
So we understand it's
more than just numbers.

1622
01:27:48,732 --> 01:27:52,702
It's quality of
life It and there

1623
01:27:52,702 --> 01:27:56,832
are unintended consequences
because of this.

1624
01:27:56,832 --> 01:28:00,972
So all that being said, we're
doing our best right now

1625
01:28:00,972 --> 01:28:03,642
to figure out how we
can make these numbers

1626
01:28:03,642 --> 01:28:05,655
work Well, thank you very much.

1627
01:28:05,655 --> 01:28:06,622
Thank you for your attention.

1628
01:28:06,622 --> 01:28:06,902
You.

1629
01:28:06,902 --> 01:28:07,322
Thank you.

1630
01:28:07,322 --> 01:28:07,742
Thank you.

1631
01:28:07,742 --> 01:28:08,162
Thank you.

1632
01:28:08,162 --> 01:28:08,662
Thank you.

1633
01:28:08,662 --> 01:28:14,503
Thank you Clark, if we could
take our next public speaker,

1634
01:28:14,503 --> 01:28:15,492
the last speakers.

1635
01:28:15,492 --> 01:28:16,722
Cathy Wilkie.

1636
01:28:16,722 --> 01:28:19,512
Cathy welcome.

1637
01:28:19,512 --> 01:28:27,792
Good evening I've been a member
of this town for 28 years.

1638
01:28:27,792 --> 01:28:32,412
My husband and I moved
here from the East Coast

1639
01:28:32,412 --> 01:28:37,392
and I live on the corner of
a bellboy and Collier Carmel

1640
01:28:37,392 --> 01:28:39,492
and I thought the worst thing
that I was going to have

1641
01:28:39,492 --> 01:28:41,082
to deal with through
the years was

1642
01:28:41,082 --> 01:28:43,722
just dog poop on my property.

1643
01:28:43,722 --> 01:28:45,522
But I've dealt with
the sheriff's, been

1644
01:28:45,522 --> 01:28:49,002
in my neighborhood quite a
bit because there is a drug

1645
01:28:49,002 --> 01:28:52,872
house all across the
street on Villa Balboa

1646
01:28:52,872 --> 01:28:54,132
and I would come
out in the morning

1647
01:28:54,132 --> 01:28:56,262
and there would be
a bunch of sheriffs

1648
01:28:56,262 --> 01:28:58,362
there with a lot of weaponry.

1649
01:28:58,362 --> 01:28:59,742
That's frightening
when your husband

1650
01:28:59,742 --> 01:29:03,942
is traveling all the time on
the side of my house is clear.

1651
01:29:03,942 --> 01:29:09,702
Carmel and i've dealt
with people driving up

1652
01:29:09,702 --> 01:29:13,094
in huge RV's and parking them.

1653
01:29:13,094 --> 01:29:18,222
And then living there for quite
some time, leaving their trash.

1654
01:29:18,222 --> 01:29:20,292
I won't even mention
the other things.

1655
01:29:20,292 --> 01:29:26,532
Drug things and even now there
is a lot of parking there

1656
01:29:26,532 --> 01:29:30,012
And what happens is the
street is never swept

1657
01:29:30,012 --> 01:29:33,462
and i've got health
issues and my hedge

1658
01:29:33,462 --> 01:29:37,596
against me trying to
keep that side, clean.

1659
01:29:37,596 --> 01:29:40,842
The reason i try and
have that swept up

1660
01:29:40,842 --> 01:29:46,092
as much as possible is because
of in the back cul de sac there.

1661
01:29:46,092 --> 01:29:48,582
We just have terrible
floods back there because

1662
01:29:48,582 --> 01:29:51,264
of the sewer that's there.

1663
01:29:51,264 --> 01:29:55,422
The water, we would you
clogged up with everything

1664
01:29:55,422 --> 01:30:00,762
So the neighborhood is finally
better with a drug house

1665
01:30:00,762 --> 01:30:04,062
being sold and it's quieter.

1666
01:30:04,062 --> 01:30:08,172
It's nicer, but i do see a
lot of other cars coming in

1667
01:30:08,172 --> 01:30:10,812
and parking that
don't belong there.

1668
01:30:10,812 --> 01:30:17,112
And it really concerns me
And especially not not being

1669
01:30:17,112 --> 01:30:19,032
able to keep the area clean.

1670
01:30:19,032 --> 01:30:21,432
And I feel sorry for the
people who live in the back

1671
01:30:21,432 --> 01:30:22,992
of that cul de sac area.

1672
01:30:22,992 --> 01:30:26,352
Not only do they have to contend
with people coming over the wall

1673
01:30:26,352 --> 01:30:29,742
from the park area but they
also have to deal with flooding

1674
01:30:29,742 --> 01:30:32,483
it from time to time.

1675
01:30:32,483 --> 01:30:36,282
And I really think
it's hit the horses

1676
01:30:36,282 --> 01:30:39,672
committee I know you've been
working on this probably

1677
01:30:39,672 --> 01:30:40,602
for a long time.

1678
01:30:40,602 --> 01:30:42,816
There's lots of
problems in this town.

1679
01:30:42,816 --> 01:30:46,632
But we really need to come up
with something where they can be

1680
01:30:46,632 --> 01:30:50,862
notified of where they can
park and where it's allowable

1681
01:30:50,862 --> 01:30:53,922
because it's just pushing
it into the neighborhoods

1682
01:30:53,922 --> 01:30:57,162
and I am not going to
be putting up with that.

1683
01:30:57,162 --> 01:30:59,832
What I put up with
before with the drugs

1684
01:30:59,832 --> 01:31:02,146
and the police over
there all the time.

1685
01:31:02,146 --> 01:31:05,592
It just is not fair to us.

1686
01:31:05,592 --> 01:31:11,442
Well, first of all I'm sorry
that you had to live through

1687
01:31:11,442 --> 01:31:14,862
that here in our city No,
no resident should hitch

1688
01:31:14,862 --> 01:31:17,356
should have to go through that.

1689
01:31:17,356 --> 01:31:21,192
The challenges that
you're talking about we

1690
01:31:21,192 --> 01:31:22,542
hear about those all the time.

1691
01:31:22,542 --> 01:31:25,482
And we want to hear about
them because the quality

1692
01:31:25,482 --> 01:31:29,353
of life here in the city is
like the most important thing.

1693
01:31:29,353 --> 01:31:31,182
Quality of life and safety.

1694
01:31:31,182 --> 01:31:31,842
Yes.

1695
01:31:31,842 --> 01:31:34,632
Yes, absolutely.

1696
01:31:34,632 --> 01:31:37,814
Commissioners any
comments or questions

1697
01:31:37,814 --> 01:31:39,852
I have one Speaker Mr. Patel.

1698
01:31:39,852 --> 01:31:40,722
Yeah.

1699
01:31:40,722 --> 01:31:44,322
I mean I don't know whether you
specified you live on Carmel

1700
01:31:44,322 --> 01:31:49,062
or Via Balboa but if we look at,
you know, what's on the screen

1701
01:31:49,062 --> 01:31:51,252
right now, it
looks like you guys

1702
01:31:51,252 --> 01:31:55,152
are very close to, you know,
being able to implement

1703
01:31:55,152 --> 01:31:56,832
something tonight.

1704
01:31:56,832 --> 01:31:58,902
Even if it technically
was going to be,

1705
01:31:58,902 --> 01:32:01,662
you know, it's like because if
you look at the style of homes,

1706
01:32:01,662 --> 01:32:04,332
they're almost different
than, you know, the homes that

1707
01:32:04,332 --> 01:32:07,602
are like closer towards Alicia.

1708
01:32:07,602 --> 01:32:10,079
I don't know if it's like a
slightly different development

1709
01:32:10,079 --> 01:32:12,072
game or whatnot, bye.

1710
01:32:12,072 --> 01:32:15,732
I honestly think it's, you know,
a matter of a couple of homes

1711
01:32:15,732 --> 01:32:19,838
on Carmel and Balboa that
just need the education

1712
01:32:19,838 --> 01:32:23,502
and, you know, well, I don't
think one month time frame was

1713
01:32:23,502 --> 01:32:25,848
enough time because
people were on vacation

1714
01:32:25,848 --> 01:32:28,572
when people were
working And it's

1715
01:32:28,572 --> 01:32:30,682
hard to get to speak to them.

1716
01:32:30,682 --> 01:32:31,182
Yeah.

1717
01:32:31,182 --> 01:32:35,051
So it was kind of
a give and take I

1718
01:32:35,051 --> 01:32:37,027
know that personally, when
I went in my neighborhood,

1719
01:32:37,027 --> 01:32:38,802
you know we didn't
have the opportunity

1720
01:32:38,802 --> 01:32:42,822
to do like a mail in ballot,
like members of the HOA board,

1721
01:32:42,822 --> 01:32:44,922
including myself, had
to go door to door,

1722
01:32:44,922 --> 01:32:48,702
educate people, create
flyers and use their own HOA

1723
01:32:48,702 --> 01:32:52,272
like email system on to
try to educate people

1724
01:32:52,272 --> 01:32:54,132
On why it was important.

1725
01:32:54,132 --> 01:32:57,312
And so, you know, I
would say that, you know,

1726
01:32:57,312 --> 01:33:00,882
if you feel like that that
approach with the mail in ballot

1727
01:33:00,882 --> 01:33:03,162
wasn't as useful,
you know, you do

1728
01:33:03,162 --> 01:33:05,772
have quite a large
number of residents

1729
01:33:05,772 --> 01:33:07,482
that did sign the petition.

1730
01:33:07,482 --> 01:33:10,572
So I think taking a
different approach

1731
01:33:10,572 --> 01:33:12,282
if you have other
residents, neighbors

1732
01:33:12,282 --> 01:33:15,222
that are really interested,
you can get those numbers up.

1733
01:33:15,222 --> 01:33:17,412
And we're not talking
like over a dozen.

1734
01:33:17,412 --> 01:33:18,972
We're talking
about just a couple

1735
01:33:18,972 --> 01:33:21,312
of houses is really,
well, how do we

1736
01:33:21,312 --> 01:33:24,128
do that if the voting is over?

1737
01:33:24,128 --> 01:33:27,522
No, no, you're not
committed And city staff

1738
01:33:27,522 --> 01:33:31,362
can clear me up here like you're
not committed to having to only

1739
01:33:31,362 --> 01:33:34,662
do a one month, you know,
mailing ballot system where

1740
01:33:34,662 --> 01:33:37,182
there's like a due
date You yourselves

1741
01:33:37,182 --> 01:33:40,992
can actually start the
petition, gather your signatures

1742
01:33:40,992 --> 01:33:42,780
and bring them to city hall.

1743
01:33:42,780 --> 01:33:45,432
So that staff can.

1744
01:33:45,432 --> 01:33:46,526
That's not correct.

1745
01:33:46,526 --> 01:33:49,152
Is that correct You know that
the petition is something

1746
01:33:49,152 --> 01:33:52,662
that the city staff generates
by way of the municipal code,

1747
01:33:52,662 --> 01:33:56,622
but is the actual time
piece only like a month

1748
01:33:56,622 --> 01:33:58,632
what we set out for fairness?

1749
01:33:58,632 --> 01:34:02,592
We set out a time period
We were under the residents

1750
01:34:02,592 --> 01:34:04,632
wanted quick action on this.

1751
01:34:04,632 --> 01:34:08,334
So we set it to
be a month period.

1752
01:34:08,334 --> 01:34:10,008
If there is a direction.

1753
01:34:10,008 --> 01:34:13,152
And we were under the impression
that this was an urgent matter

1754
01:34:13,152 --> 01:34:15,552
from the residents.

1755
01:34:15,552 --> 01:34:21,492
So we typically have provided a
30 day period, sometimes longer.

1756
01:34:21,492 --> 01:34:24,612
But part of the reason
why it was done was

1757
01:34:24,612 --> 01:34:28,332
do the results tonight, the
next traffic Commission meeting

1758
01:34:28,332 --> 01:34:30,282
is in September.

1759
01:34:30,282 --> 01:34:35,322
And so that was part of the
reason why 5:00 tonight,

1760
01:34:35,322 --> 01:34:40,062
in order to do that, we kept
it until the very last hour

1761
01:34:40,062 --> 01:34:43,752
If there is desire from the
traffic commission to allow

1762
01:34:43,752 --> 01:34:46,992
for a petition
process in the past

1763
01:34:46,992 --> 01:34:49,212
and told that usually
a six month period

1764
01:34:49,212 --> 01:34:51,612
goes by before you do that.

1765
01:34:51,612 --> 01:34:56,143
So we're not revisiting the same
issue over and over again as we

1766
01:34:56,143 --> 01:35:00,432
do with some of our other
items But we had four a matter

1767
01:35:00,432 --> 01:35:05,052
of fairness We had a deadline
tonight at 5:00 to that

1768
01:35:05,052 --> 01:35:08,472
in, though, as we've
already discovered tonight,

1769
01:35:08,472 --> 01:35:11,472
there are different permutations
and combination of the way that

1770
01:35:11,472 --> 01:35:14,802
this can be put together
such that the percentage

1771
01:35:14,802 --> 01:35:17,592
is closer to 67%.

1772
01:35:17,592 --> 01:35:19,182
Our assistant
engineer has come up

1773
01:35:19,182 --> 01:35:22,152
with yet another interesting
twist in all this

1774
01:35:22,152 --> 01:35:25,722
that doesn't get us to
67% to includes salford

1775
01:35:25,722 --> 01:35:27,702
but gets us to 63.

1776
01:35:27,702 --> 01:35:31,152
Sacrifice part of
Castello so eventually

1777
01:35:31,152 --> 01:35:34,812
part of your discussions tonight
when we get an opportunity

1778
01:35:34,812 --> 01:35:36,552
to represent
information, you will

1779
01:35:36,552 --> 01:35:40,062
be deciding what you would like
to recommend to City Council.

1780
01:35:40,062 --> 01:35:43,152
And we do recognize the
carmel as nine of 14.

1781
01:35:43,152 --> 01:35:46,212
At 64%, we also
received a letter

1782
01:35:46,212 --> 01:35:48,852
from a resident of Avalon
that has no interest

1783
01:35:48,852 --> 01:35:50,682
in this program whatsoever.

1784
01:35:50,682 --> 01:35:57,399
So i just would say that we'll
do our advice as best we can.

1785
01:35:57,399 --> 01:35:58,981
And ultimately, the
Traffic commission

1786
01:35:58,981 --> 01:36:02,230
to decide what they want to
recommend to city council.

1787
01:36:02,230 --> 01:36:02,844
OK.

1788
01:36:02,844 --> 01:36:05,562
Thank thank you so
much for your comments.

1789
01:36:05,562 --> 01:36:06,312
Thank you.

1790
01:36:06,312 --> 01:36:08,848
I think that concludes
our public comments.

1791
01:36:08,848 --> 01:36:09,895
Thank you.

1792
01:36:09,895 --> 01:36:10,593
OK.

1793
01:36:10,593 --> 01:36:15,312
So we're going to bring
this back to the commission

1794
01:36:15,312 --> 01:36:22,062
for discussion based on what we
talked about tonight which staff

1795
01:36:22,062 --> 01:36:26,922
like to reframe what we're
with the potential of adding

1796
01:36:26,922 --> 01:36:28,612
those areas into
the recommendation.

1797
01:36:28,612 --> 01:36:29,112
Yes.

1798
01:36:29,112 --> 01:36:30,300
So what I will what.

1799
01:36:30,300 --> 01:36:31,686
I'll give you some options here.

1800
01:36:31,686 --> 01:36:38,075
And we might need
to pull up a map

1801
01:36:38,075 --> 01:36:39,942
And I really want to thank
the resident who came up here

1802
01:36:39,942 --> 01:36:42,102
earlier to point
out that I didn't

1803
01:36:42,102 --> 01:36:44,922
consider apparently all of the
permutations and combinations.

1804
01:36:44,922 --> 01:36:46,902
So thank you very much.

1805
01:36:46,902 --> 01:36:50,618
So if you want, you there's a
few different scenarios here.

1806
01:36:50,618 --> 01:36:53,322
And I'll explain
this So the part

1807
01:36:53,322 --> 01:36:57,462
across from backroom park that's
shown in Orange is actually

1808
01:36:57,462 --> 01:37:03,102
called Wilkes Place So if
you add it in Wilkes Place

1809
01:37:03,102 --> 01:37:08,922
and you added an all of custom
Now when you say all of Castro,

1810
01:37:08,922 --> 01:37:13,362
is that all the way that's
closer to cul de sac

1811
01:37:13,362 --> 01:37:15,342
okay to call the section.

1812
01:37:15,342 --> 01:37:16,332
My understanding.

1813
01:37:16,332 --> 01:37:16,992
OK.

1814
01:37:16,992 --> 01:37:19,002
Actually yes So
that takes you all

1815
01:37:19,002 --> 01:37:21,882
the way down to Alicia Parkway.

1816
01:37:21,882 --> 01:37:28,362
And if you add in Castro and
you add in Wilkes to the green,

1817
01:37:28,362 --> 01:37:34,152
then you're at 71%.

1818
01:37:34,152 --> 01:37:44,436
OK Another option, which
is a strange option, as is.

1819
01:37:44,436 --> 01:37:48,582
If you don't go all the way
down to Alicia Parkway on Castro

1820
01:37:48,582 --> 01:37:52,452
and you stop at
salford, I believe,

1821
01:37:52,452 --> 01:37:55,092
and then you add
in South for you're

1822
01:37:55,092 --> 01:38:04,542
at 63% It's my understanding
why wrexham at 63%, why

1823
01:38:04,542 --> 01:38:09,582
would that be an option It's not
technically it's less than 67%.

1824
01:38:09,582 --> 01:38:11,078
I'm just giving us
some percentage.

1825
01:38:11,078 --> 01:38:11,587
Okay.

1826
01:38:11,587 --> 01:38:12,095
OK.

1827
01:38:12,095 --> 01:38:12,858
That's good.

1828
01:38:12,858 --> 01:38:15,552
71% in or over the threshold
for including all of Castro,

1829
01:38:15,552 --> 01:38:20,232
but excluding Salford, if you
include if you just go to Castro

1830
01:38:20,232 --> 01:38:21,972
down the Salford and
you make that elbow

1831
01:38:21,972 --> 01:38:31,992
and you go around the corner
to Salford 63.75%, 64% Okay.

1832
01:38:31,992 --> 01:38:37,632
So pendens st still
though, between Chi Carmen

1833
01:38:37,632 --> 01:38:41,661
and Camberwell has a
low return rate on that.

1834
01:38:41,661 --> 01:38:43,452
And so does Vale Balboa.

1835
01:38:43,452 --> 01:38:50,832
That was one of six for
Chi Cromwell's nine of 14.

1836
01:38:50,832 --> 01:38:52,712
So essentially.

1837
01:38:52,712 --> 01:38:56,652
And then Hendon Street but
swinging from the elbow

1838
01:38:56,652 --> 01:38:59,502
down to Castro also
had a low return right?

1839
01:38:59,502 --> 01:39:02,112
So you're leaving something out?

1840
01:39:02,112 --> 01:39:04,452
I no matter what you do
have the opportunity Add

1841
01:39:04,452 --> 01:39:06,134
something in if you wanted to.

1842
01:39:06,134 --> 01:39:16,422
Right So in either case, we're
creating these little islands

1843
01:39:16,422 --> 01:39:24,492
where we're not going to be
placing the permit program

1844
01:39:24,492 --> 01:39:30,132
especially Hinden, Salford,
if we don't add that

1845
01:39:30,132 --> 01:39:37,722
in because it's 4% below
where we need to be Well,

1846
01:39:37,722 --> 01:39:40,242
I think you know, the first
step is I think amongst

1847
01:39:40,242 --> 01:39:42,372
the commissioners,
are we in agreement

1848
01:39:42,372 --> 01:39:44,442
that we are
establishing a parking

1849
01:39:44,442 --> 01:39:46,968
permit of some kind tonight ?

1850
01:39:46,968 --> 01:39:47,468
Yes.

1851
01:39:47,468 --> 01:39:47,968
Yes.

1852
01:39:47,968 --> 01:39:48,601
Oh, yes.

1853
01:39:48,601 --> 01:39:49,734
Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

1854
01:39:49,734 --> 01:39:51,252
We're I'm just.

1855
01:39:51,252 --> 01:39:54,522
How do we join more
contiguous pieces,

1856
01:39:54,522 --> 01:39:56,322
I think, to what
we're doing That's

1857
01:39:56,322 --> 01:39:59,472
going to be a matter
of professional slash,

1858
01:39:59,472 --> 01:40:04,572
you know commissioner judgment
I would like to say I would like

1859
01:40:04,572 --> 01:40:10,402
for sure to hear it from Wilks
around the corner, Christo

1860
01:40:10,402 --> 01:40:19,062
to walk is an
absolute in their i

1861
01:40:19,062 --> 01:40:21,012
would even take
it a step further

1862
01:40:21,012 --> 01:40:23,442
and say all the
costs of that way.

1863
01:40:23,442 --> 01:40:26,138
It's just no confusion of
the street itself right.

1864
01:40:26,138 --> 01:40:31,143
Yeah So the entire piece
all the way down on Christo.

1865
01:40:31,143 --> 01:40:32,652
Sure i know it's a
commissioners time.

1866
01:40:32,652 --> 01:40:33,822
I apologize.

1867
01:40:33,822 --> 01:40:36,012
I'm sorry, sir Is
there separation

1868
01:40:36,012 --> 01:40:37,932
between the small
attended and the launch.

1869
01:40:37,932 --> 01:40:40,992
And then we percentage
is to pendens

1870
01:40:40,992 --> 01:40:44,202
on that map that are in red.

1871
01:40:44,202 --> 01:40:49,452
Is there a difference between
the two in terms of percentages

1872
01:40:49,452 --> 01:40:51,762
We're taking a look at
the numbers right now.

1873
01:40:51,762 --> 01:40:58,842
So respectfully, your 80%
is already got through.

1874
01:40:58,842 --> 01:41:00,882
No, no, no.

1875
01:41:00,882 --> 01:41:03,771
This is this is a very
specific election.

1876
01:41:03,771 --> 01:41:07,122
And it has to go based on
the number of residents

1877
01:41:07,122 --> 01:41:09,012
within this election.

1878
01:41:09,012 --> 01:41:13,182
So, folks, we're not opening
this up to a question

1879
01:41:13,182 --> 01:41:16,902
and comment situation
right now So right now,

1880
01:41:16,902 --> 01:41:19,842
let us work the numbers
that we have right now.

1881
01:41:19,842 --> 01:41:23,235
Just just give us a projection,
because you don't count the.

1882
01:41:23,235 --> 01:41:29,532
No I will say this.

1883
01:41:29,532 --> 01:41:34,812
A no vote is considered
a non returned ballot

1884
01:41:34,812 --> 01:41:37,782
and that is can
sit on the ballot

1885
01:41:37,782 --> 01:41:39,522
If you don't return the ballot.

1886
01:41:39,522 --> 01:41:42,522
That is considered
a no vote to two.

1887
01:41:42,522 --> 01:41:50,045
One is very I'll go
if impossible or pass.

1888
01:41:50,045 --> 01:41:50,586
No no.

1889
01:41:50,586 --> 01:41:57,702
We have many neighborhoods
that have passed this threshold

1890
01:41:57,702 --> 01:42:01,392
To answer your question even
if you looked at it, both hand

1891
01:42:01,392 --> 01:42:07,482
in streets in separate pieces,
it's less than like 37%.

1892
01:42:07,482 --> 01:42:14,952
I want to say for
either piece Okay.

1893
01:42:14,952 --> 01:42:19,962
So commissioners let's establish
what we're doing tonight.

1894
01:42:19,962 --> 01:42:23,202
Obviously, we're
establishing the green area.

1895
01:42:23,202 --> 01:42:23,952
Yeah.

1896
01:42:23,952 --> 01:42:25,182
Okay.

1897
01:42:25,182 --> 01:42:28,962
We're establishing Wilks as
it comes around the corner

1898
01:42:28,962 --> 01:42:35,270
to Castro and Castro all the way
to the end to Alicia, to Lisa.

1899
01:42:35,270 --> 01:42:38,172
OK, So, so we're there in that.

1900
01:42:38,172 --> 01:42:42,522
OK, So, so that's to,
to be clear to staff.

1901
01:42:42,522 --> 01:42:47,172
That's what we're, that's what
we're established at this point

1902
01:42:47,172 --> 01:42:50,052
to the green area
plus Wilks, Christo,

1903
01:42:50,052 --> 01:42:51,625
all the way down to Alicia.

1904
01:42:51,625 --> 01:42:52,182
Right.

1905
01:42:52,182 --> 01:42:57,582
So now the question
is, at that point sell

1906
01:42:57,582 --> 01:43:01,997
for it is still not an option
because we're for low ten

1907
01:43:01,997 --> 01:43:04,182
out of 30, ten out of 30.

1908
01:43:04,182 --> 01:43:08,799
And when you add in ten out
of 30, you wind up at 59%.

1909
01:43:08,799 --> 01:43:13,812
OK So and there's nothing
written in the policy

1910
01:43:13,812 --> 01:43:19,632
for if there's unintended
consequences, it's worth 4%.

1911
01:43:19,632 --> 01:43:21,372
You know, it's worth 5%.

1912
01:43:21,372 --> 01:43:30,342
That that's that's not in
the policy So essentially

1913
01:43:30,342 --> 01:43:38,862
and hand in the numbers don't
match up there Kamal very close.

1914
01:43:38,862 --> 01:43:42,702
But it's it's not there.

1915
01:43:42,702 --> 01:43:45,678
So the the only recommendation
that I can see that we can make.

1916
01:43:45,678 --> 01:43:47,386
And I want to hear
from the commissioners

1917
01:43:47,386 --> 01:43:52,482
on this is what we've just
stated within the guidelines

1918
01:43:52,482 --> 01:43:54,852
that we have it's 71%.

1919
01:43:54,852 --> 01:43:55,392
It's good.

1920
01:43:55,392 --> 01:44:01,422
And it's contiguous in the kind
of as much as I'd like to do.

1921
01:44:01,422 --> 01:44:10,812
Carmel it's not contiguous
Salford can out of 30 i

1922
01:44:10,812 --> 01:44:13,426
do worry about it in the future.

1923
01:44:13,426 --> 01:44:15,715
But it's not even close right?

1924
01:44:15,715 --> 01:44:26,652
So i would say yeah, there still
will And the green okay yeah

1925
01:44:26,652 --> 01:44:27,462
make a motion.

1926
01:44:27,462 --> 01:44:28,392
I would second that.

1927
01:44:28,392 --> 01:44:31,782
Okay So we have a
motion and a second

1928
01:44:31,782 --> 01:44:34,782
based and state
your motion 100%.

1929
01:44:34,782 --> 01:44:42,402
The green a motion to
approve permit parking,

1930
01:44:42,402 --> 01:44:45,506
I reckon to recommend
permit parking recommend.

1931
01:44:45,506 --> 01:44:53,772
Yeah From Wilks to this
is not currently permitted

1932
01:44:53,772 --> 01:44:58,062
through Keystone
to eastern Parkway

1933
01:44:58,062 --> 01:45:03,942
and then Camberwell from
Cousteau to and then

1934
01:45:03,942 --> 01:45:10,632
and then engine green
green and into the knuckle.

1935
01:45:10,632 --> 01:45:12,342
Yeah right.

1936
01:45:12,342 --> 01:45:18,522
And Two rooms St okay so we
have a motion and a second

1937
01:45:18,522 --> 01:45:20,022
and a second for that.

1938
01:45:20,022 --> 01:45:22,392
And when we take
this vote, folks

1939
01:45:22,392 --> 01:45:26,022
I want you to
understand this is going

1940
01:45:26,022 --> 01:45:29,022
to be presented to
the City Council

1941
01:45:29,022 --> 01:45:32,202
for approval We make
a recommendation

1942
01:45:32,202 --> 01:45:35,382
and based on the
policies and guidelines

1943
01:45:35,382 --> 01:45:37,872
that the city prescribes to.

1944
01:45:37,872 --> 01:45:42,492
So all that being said, I'll
be asking the clerk for a vote

1945
01:45:42,492 --> 01:45:45,492
on this motion May I?

1946
01:45:45,492 --> 01:45:48,042
I'm way overstepping
here Oh, go ahead.

1947
01:45:48,042 --> 01:45:50,802
Can you also direct it or
request the city staff come up

1948
01:45:50,802 --> 01:45:56,832
with a comprehensive table
of the different permutations

1949
01:45:56,832 --> 01:46:00,108
and combinations to
present to city council?

1950
01:46:00,108 --> 01:46:00,756
OK.

1951
01:46:00,756 --> 01:46:01,404
So.

1952
01:46:01,404 --> 01:46:04,870
So please Mr. Jones, could
you add that to your motion?

1953
01:46:04,870 --> 01:46:06,934
We'll do the best
we can with that.

1954
01:46:06,934 --> 01:46:09,110
So that we can demonstrate
the thought process.

1955
01:46:09,110 --> 01:46:12,279
Someone through this is
combinations Sam is going

1956
01:46:12,279 --> 01:46:13,212
to help me with that, right?

1957
01:46:13,212 --> 01:46:17,962
So okay, so, so we have,
in addition to that motion

1958
01:46:17,962 --> 01:46:20,532
I was like, okay, we
have a second to that.

1959
01:46:20,532 --> 01:46:24,312
So Madam clerk, if you
could take the vote on that.

1960
01:46:24,312 --> 01:46:29,862
Commissioner jones
I Vice Chair Patel.

1961
01:46:29,862 --> 01:46:35,142
I Chair Miller I motion
passes unanimously.

1962
01:46:35,142 --> 01:46:39,552
So folks that's going to go
now once staff puts together

1963
01:46:39,552 --> 01:46:43,542
that package and you'll see
it on the city council agenda

1964
01:46:43,542 --> 01:46:47,322
when this comes before them,
that's going to go before them

1965
01:46:47,322 --> 01:46:50,652
with what we've
reckon mended tonight,

1966
01:46:50,652 --> 01:46:54,672
including the table of
all the different numbers

1967
01:46:54,672 --> 01:46:58,902
that staff is going
to present You know,

1968
01:46:58,902 --> 01:47:02,922
we do have in deep on this
and we crunched the numbers

1969
01:47:02,922 --> 01:47:05,682
were folks we're on your side.

1970
01:47:05,682 --> 01:47:11,250
We're here to help you know,
when the numbers came in today.

1971
01:47:11,250 --> 01:47:14,922
You know I wish they would
have been different You know,

1972
01:47:14,922 --> 01:47:16,662
I wish the ballots would
have come in different.

1973
01:47:16,662 --> 01:47:20,922
But this is what we have now
But it is a good starting point

1974
01:47:20,922 --> 01:47:26,022
to figure out where do we go
from here So, again, thank you.

1975
01:47:26,022 --> 01:47:28,512
Thank you so much for
the comments and all the

1976
01:47:28,512 --> 01:47:29,982
communication with us tonight.

1977
01:47:29,982 --> 01:47:34,392
We really appreciate that you're
here speaking to us Thank you.

1978
01:47:34,392 --> 01:47:41,283
Thanks, everyone Thank you OK.

1979
01:47:41,283 --> 01:47:47,473
That moves us to
agenda item 4.2.

1980
01:47:47,473 --> 01:47:50,382
It's the discussion of the
citywide related traffic

1981
01:47:50,382 --> 01:47:54,462
concerns and residential street
traffic management policy.

1982
01:47:54,462 --> 01:47:57,252
This was like a
review of policy.

1983
01:47:57,252 --> 01:48:04,452
350 and I wanted to just pose
the idea to the commissioners

1984
01:48:04,452 --> 01:48:08,202
to see if they would
support this idea

1985
01:48:08,202 --> 01:48:11,712
And Commissioner Caputo
could not be here tonight

1986
01:48:11,712 --> 01:48:15,702
And he's done extensive
work on trying to develop

1987
01:48:15,702 --> 01:48:19,482
some really good process
is for us to incorporate

1988
01:48:19,482 --> 01:48:21,132
it into this policy.

1989
01:48:21,132 --> 01:48:26,772
So i'm recommending
and it's opening

1990
01:48:26,772 --> 01:48:28,471
up discussion that we table.

1991
01:48:28,471 --> 01:48:32,532
This item and bring it back
to our September meeting

1992
01:48:32,532 --> 01:48:34,692
when we can have
Commissioner Caputo with us,

1993
01:48:34,692 --> 01:48:36,702
when we can bring
that full package

1994
01:48:36,702 --> 01:48:40,062
together to review that policy.

1995
01:48:40,062 --> 01:48:45,462
Yeah, I think that's fair Yeah.

1996
01:48:45,462 --> 01:48:48,762
No I agree.

1997
01:48:48,762 --> 01:48:50,232
Okay.

1998
01:48:50,232 --> 01:48:54,184
So i think I I think it's nice
when there's at least four.

1999
01:48:54,184 --> 01:48:54,684
Yeah.

2000
01:48:54,684 --> 01:48:55,152
Yeah.

2001
01:48:55,152 --> 01:48:55,652
Okay.

2002
01:48:55,652 --> 01:49:00,687
So I think I see
agreement to table.

2003
01:49:00,687 --> 01:49:07,272
This item for the September
for the September meeting

2004
01:49:07,272 --> 01:49:11,532
and so I don't know if we
need to take a vote on that.

2005
01:49:11,532 --> 01:49:16,072
So if you wanted on that
we're not get the next.

2006
01:49:16,072 --> 01:49:17,712
That's for someone.

2007
01:49:17,712 --> 01:49:20,292
September, September September.

2008
01:49:20,292 --> 01:49:20,842
Yeah.

2009
01:49:20,842 --> 01:49:21,342
Yeah.

2010
01:49:21,342 --> 01:49:24,132
I just wanted to bring it
back because like I said,

2011
01:49:24,132 --> 01:49:27,972
Commissioner Caputo had put
a lot of work into this.

2012
01:49:27,972 --> 01:49:32,357
So do we need to take a
vote on tabling this item ?

2013
01:49:32,357 --> 01:49:32,857
OK.

2014
01:49:32,857 --> 01:49:33,849
Like the table.

2015
01:49:33,849 --> 01:49:34,349
OK.

2016
01:49:34,349 --> 01:49:37,752
So all those in favor of
tabling agenda item 4.2

2017
01:49:37,752 --> 01:49:40,721
say all those
opposed the motion.

2018
01:49:40,721 --> 01:49:41,521
You're going to defer.

2019
01:49:41,521 --> 01:49:42,972
So the next, we
are deferring it.

2020
01:49:42,972 --> 01:49:43,472
Yes.

2021
01:49:43,472 --> 01:49:44,359
Thank you so much.

2022
01:49:44,359 --> 01:49:45,572
And I'll say thank you.

2023
01:49:45,572 --> 01:49:48,295
Since I was here, like
Boston night for the village.

2024
01:49:48,295 --> 01:49:50,712
Yeah 6.5 hour meeting.

2025
01:49:50,712 --> 01:49:54,462
Yes yes, yes, yes.

2026
01:49:54,462 --> 01:49:56,412
I'm i some of us, Bill.

2027
01:49:56,412 --> 01:49:58,182
Well, I'm always
aware of the fact

2028
01:49:58,182 --> 01:50:00,282
that you have a
late council meeting

2029
01:50:00,282 --> 01:50:03,562
and then staff still have to
come to work in the morning, so.

2030
01:50:03,562 --> 01:50:04,062
Okay.

2031
01:50:04,062 --> 01:50:05,007
All right then.

2032
01:50:05,007 --> 01:50:06,717
Moves us to item number five.

2033
01:50:06,717 --> 01:50:10,002
And we move to our sheriff's
department, our chief

2034
01:50:10,002 --> 01:50:14,952
for a report Good evening,
Chairman Miller and members

2035
01:50:14,952 --> 01:50:16,036
of the traffic commission.

2036
01:50:16,036 --> 01:50:19,722
Just want to give you a
couple of little tidbits

2037
01:50:19,722 --> 01:50:21,608
In addition to enforcement.

2038
01:50:21,608 --> 01:50:25,242
We really believe in ongoing
education with the community,

2039
01:50:25,242 --> 01:50:29,472
and we do that through our
social media through our events

2040
01:50:29,472 --> 01:50:33,312
and through a newsletter and
speaking of that newsletter,

2041
01:50:33,312 --> 01:50:36,702
it looks like this you might
have gotten digital copy,

2042
01:50:36,702 --> 01:50:41,202
but I put one on your desks and
it covers all sorts of things,

2043
01:50:41,202 --> 01:50:42,792
and I just want to
let you know it covers

2044
01:50:42,792 --> 01:50:45,012
some traffic issues as well.

2045
01:50:45,012 --> 01:50:48,818
Traffic, education and
also importantly bike

2046
01:50:48,818 --> 01:50:52,332
education, which is a big
concern of the community.

2047
01:50:52,332 --> 01:50:57,177
Of course I want to
let you know also

2048
01:50:57,177 --> 01:50:59,022
we have National
Night Out next week.

2049
01:50:59,022 --> 01:51:02,922
Thursday at National Night Out,
we're going to have a traffic

2050
01:51:02,922 --> 01:51:05,622
booth where will be given out.

2051
01:51:05,622 --> 01:51:08,382
Again, more education on
through our pamphlets and things

2052
01:51:08,382 --> 01:51:09,912
like that We'll have a motor.

2053
01:51:09,912 --> 01:51:12,792
And one of our CSOs
manning that booth

2054
01:51:12,792 --> 01:51:17,217
and they'll be talking about
traffic safety e-bikes safety,

2055
01:51:17,217 --> 01:51:20,892
and actually council gave
us some money to give

2056
01:51:20,892 --> 01:51:24,762
out helmets Councils idea.

2057
01:51:24,762 --> 01:51:28,362
And so we partnered with
a local bicycle shop

2058
01:51:28,362 --> 01:51:31,692
who we purchased helmets
through and we should

2059
01:51:31,692 --> 01:51:34,182
be given up to close to 50.

2060
01:51:34,182 --> 01:51:35,890
We'll have 50
helmets to give away.

2061
01:51:35,890 --> 01:51:38,982
And we're hoping to give a lot
of those away at National Night

2062
01:51:38,982 --> 01:51:40,992
out to the kids and
things like that.

2063
01:51:40,992 --> 01:51:41,890
I think that'll be good.

2064
01:51:41,890 --> 01:51:44,412
And I think that's a good
a good gift from the city

2065
01:51:44,412 --> 01:51:52,572
to the community We're happy
about some of the parking

2066
01:51:52,572 --> 01:51:54,192
changes that the
that the city is

2067
01:51:54,192 --> 01:51:57,882
doing, especially particularly
on Laguna Hills Drive.

2068
01:51:57,882 --> 01:52:00,552
I think that's going to
help relieve some things

2069
01:52:00,552 --> 01:52:02,292
And I just want to
emphasize again,

2070
01:52:02,292 --> 01:52:04,782
we're here to
partner with the city

2071
01:52:04,782 --> 01:52:06,042
and to partner
with the community

2072
01:52:06,042 --> 01:52:08,892
We can't keep this
community, this city

2073
01:52:08,892 --> 01:52:10,950
safe just by ourselves.

2074
01:52:10,950 --> 01:52:13,332
We work together
with the community

2075
01:52:13,332 --> 01:52:15,612
so we rely on them
for information.

2076
01:52:15,612 --> 01:52:19,062
We rely on them for
calls for service.

2077
01:52:19,062 --> 01:52:23,052
So we encourage folks out
there who have a concerns

2078
01:52:23,052 --> 01:52:26,382
about parking or crime
issues to call us

2079
01:52:26,382 --> 01:52:28,747
and as I've said
before, when folks just

2080
01:52:28,747 --> 01:52:31,139
take to social media
or something like that,

2081
01:52:31,139 --> 01:52:32,262
we don't hear about it.

2082
01:52:32,262 --> 01:52:35,472
We don't monitor social
media and respond to events

2083
01:52:35,472 --> 01:52:36,672
throughout the city that way.

2084
01:52:36,672 --> 01:52:38,732
We need them to call
the sheriff's department

2085
01:52:38,732 --> 01:52:40,124
to call dispatch
and we appreciate

2086
01:52:40,124 --> 01:52:43,969
it when they do I also want to
say we had just a highlight.

2087
01:52:43,969 --> 01:52:49,302
We had an event First
our motors and our CSO

2088
01:52:49,302 --> 01:52:50,862
is continued to do a good job.

2089
01:52:50,862 --> 01:52:53,772
Our motors are out there citing
people for traffic violations

2090
01:52:53,772 --> 01:52:55,752
and our CSO is are
out there giving

2091
01:52:55,752 --> 01:53:00,942
citations hundreds of citations
for parking every month.

2092
01:53:00,942 --> 01:53:05,142
And most of those are complaint
driven and many of those

2093
01:53:05,142 --> 01:53:08,292
are our officers being
proactive, right?

2094
01:53:08,292 --> 01:53:12,042
So for traffic file
ations, we get complaints.

2095
01:53:12,042 --> 01:53:15,162
Hey, the stop sign and we go,
you know, people are running it.

2096
01:53:15,162 --> 01:53:16,632
So we go out there
and enforce it.

2097
01:53:16,632 --> 01:53:19,032
And we get a lot of we get
a lot of thanks for that.

2098
01:53:19,032 --> 01:53:20,712
And of course, we
get some complaints

2099
01:53:20,712 --> 01:53:23,202
like, hey, you're doing too
much enforcement in this area.

2100
01:53:23,202 --> 01:53:24,762
So we balance that.

2101
01:53:24,762 --> 01:53:27,612
And that's and that's part
of that's part of the job.

2102
01:53:27,612 --> 01:53:33,201
We had a motor the first motor,
his name was Steve parsons,

2103
01:53:33,201 --> 01:53:37,392
first Laguna Hills motor was
his name was Steve Parsons.

2104
01:53:37,392 --> 01:53:45,282
He was assigned to this city in
in the late in the late 1990s.

2105
01:53:45,282 --> 01:53:49,572
And he was on a traffic stop or
going through an intersection,

2106
01:53:49,572 --> 01:53:55,962
actually, Laguna Hills and
moulton on June 24th 2000,

2107
01:53:55,962 --> 01:53:59,052
and was struck by a vehicle
killed in the line of duty.

2108
01:53:59,052 --> 01:54:03,222
And so every year, like we did
on June 24th, just last month,

2109
01:54:03,222 --> 01:54:04,782
we do it like a memorial right?

2110
01:54:04,782 --> 01:54:09,732
And we ride the route that he
rode from Laguna Hills City Hall

2111
01:54:09,732 --> 01:54:12,952
up and then over
Laguna Hills Drive.

2112
01:54:12,952 --> 01:54:17,292
And then we stop and park
at Moulton and Laguna Hills

2113
01:54:17,292 --> 01:54:19,872
Drive We say a few words.

2114
01:54:19,872 --> 01:54:24,162
We have a moment of silence And
we do 25 highly motivated push

2115
01:54:24,162 --> 01:54:29,832
ups and honor of him and his
family and the men and women

2116
01:54:29,832 --> 01:54:31,962
of the Orange County
Sheriff's Department

2117
01:54:31,962 --> 01:54:34,782
who he left behind So
that was a great event.

2118
01:54:34,782 --> 01:54:35,565
We do that every year.

2119
01:54:35,565 --> 01:54:37,572
Just want to let you know that
we do that in honor of him

2120
01:54:37,572 --> 01:54:39,582
and that's it.

2121
01:54:39,582 --> 01:54:40,542
I'm here for any questions.

2122
01:54:40,542 --> 01:54:41,082
Thank you.

2123
01:54:41,082 --> 01:54:45,912
Thank you so much for that
report Well, it's wonderful

2124
01:54:45,912 --> 01:54:49,212
that you honor this
officer, This way and that,

2125
01:54:49,212 --> 01:54:52,662
you know, you don't let
that that memory go away.

2126
01:54:52,662 --> 01:54:57,402
It's it's a
wonderful thing Yeah.

2127
01:54:57,402 --> 01:55:00,178
We're going to open this
up to the commissioners,

2128
01:55:00,178 --> 01:55:02,132
or for questions for the chief.

2129
01:55:02,132 --> 01:55:02,812
Just a good time.

2130
01:55:02,812 --> 01:55:03,312
Yes.

2131
01:55:03,312 --> 01:55:03,812
Yes.

2132
01:55:03,812 --> 01:55:06,102
So do we have we
have three here.

2133
01:55:06,102 --> 01:55:11,622
So positions Mr. Patel,
just a quick question.

2134
01:55:11,622 --> 01:55:16,182
So in addition to our CSOs, I
saw about the little section

2135
01:55:16,182 --> 01:55:17,052
about the cameras.

2136
01:55:17,052 --> 01:55:20,812
So are you recommending
like, who is maybe reach out

2137
01:55:20,812 --> 01:55:23,202
with like their own locations?

2138
01:55:23,202 --> 01:55:24,672
Are you talking about
in the newsletter?

2139
01:55:24,672 --> 01:55:27,832
Yeah, like our
emergency manager.

2140
01:55:27,832 --> 01:55:28,332
Yeah.

2141
01:55:28,332 --> 01:55:31,002
So if you have if you have
cameras on your business

2142
01:55:31,002 --> 01:55:34,812
or even on your home, you can
partner with the sheriff's

2143
01:55:34,812 --> 01:55:37,823
department who won't be who
won't be Snoop snooping in

2144
01:55:37,823 --> 01:55:41,238
on your business, but
if a crime occurs,

2145
01:55:41,238 --> 01:55:43,632
your camera is registered
with our real time

2146
01:55:43,632 --> 01:55:46,332
operation and center,
and they will know that.

2147
01:55:46,332 --> 01:55:50,622
And they will contact you
and ask you, hey, an incident

2148
01:55:50,622 --> 01:55:53,802
occurred at this date and time,
and we believe your camera may

2149
01:55:53,802 --> 01:55:57,404
have caught something
They may we may

2150
01:55:57,404 --> 01:55:58,857
we utilize that that footage.

2151
01:55:58,857 --> 01:56:01,788
So it's a it's a
permission thing Yeah.

2152
01:56:01,788 --> 01:56:02,998
So it's a good.

2153
01:56:02,998 --> 01:56:04,208
It's a good program.

2154
01:56:04,208 --> 01:56:06,582
And then i heard that
there might have been

2155
01:56:06,582 --> 01:56:10,932
like some public comments
about the flock safety cameras

2156
01:56:10,932 --> 01:56:13,272
that we have in our community.

2157
01:56:13,272 --> 01:56:15,252
Would you mind
speaking to, you know,

2158
01:56:15,252 --> 01:56:17,894
the effectiveness of those
cameras in our community?

2159
01:56:17,894 --> 01:56:18,394
And.

2160
01:56:18,394 --> 01:56:19,284
Sure, yeah.

2161
01:56:19,284 --> 01:56:21,509
We you know, there are
concerns about cameras,

2162
01:56:21,509 --> 01:56:23,412
right There's
concerns that they're

2163
01:56:23,412 --> 01:56:26,982
an infringement on people's
rights and things like that.

2164
01:56:26,982 --> 01:56:33,658
A young lady spoke last night at
the council meeting expressing

2165
01:56:33,658 --> 01:56:37,722
her concerns and some
of her friend's concerns

2166
01:56:37,722 --> 01:56:41,412
What I will say is that the
flock cameras the speakers

2167
01:56:41,412 --> 01:56:44,112
and other cameras
of the city uses

2168
01:56:44,112 --> 01:56:46,512
and that we they share with
the Orange County sheriff's

2169
01:56:46,512 --> 01:56:52,032
department have been such a
help And in fact, I don't know

2170
01:56:52,032 --> 01:56:53,562
if I've shared this
with you in the past

2171
01:56:53,562 --> 01:56:58,062
but there was there was one
incident in South Laguna

2172
01:56:58,062 --> 01:57:01,362
Hills a very violent incident.

2173
01:57:01,362 --> 01:57:03,942
We got there and we had
very violent incident.

2174
01:57:03,942 --> 01:57:06,552
I will say I won't be
specific as to what it was,

2175
01:57:06,552 --> 01:57:09,612
but you might know
what I'm talking about.

2176
01:57:09,612 --> 01:57:12,072
We got there, I
got there, and I we

2177
01:57:12,072 --> 01:57:16,152
had no idea who the
suspect was or where he was

2178
01:57:16,152 --> 01:57:17,232
or what happened.

2179
01:57:17,232 --> 01:57:20,982
We had a victim in a vehicle
No idea about anything.

2180
01:57:20,982 --> 01:57:22,092
About a suspect.

2181
01:57:22,092 --> 01:57:25,066
Not even sure what
type of we know.

2182
01:57:25,066 --> 01:57:26,622
We knew what the crime
was, but not even

2183
01:57:26,622 --> 01:57:27,882
sure what it was related to.

2184
01:57:27,882 --> 01:57:33,342
You know one of our deputies
very adept at technology,

2185
01:57:33,342 --> 01:57:36,052
utilized flock, utilized.

2186
01:57:36,052 --> 01:57:39,822
Another camera that's
part of a vehicle.

2187
01:57:39,822 --> 01:57:42,498
And we were able
to get an address

2188
01:57:42,498 --> 01:57:44,785
on a suspect at a location.

2189
01:57:44,785 --> 01:57:47,292
And we were able
to safely apprehend

2190
01:57:47,292 --> 01:57:49,152
him because of technology.

2191
01:57:49,152 --> 01:57:51,282
That's one example.

2192
01:57:51,282 --> 01:57:53,382
And there's been
tons of incidents

2193
01:57:53,382 --> 01:57:59,412
where we've used flock, the
loopers to find locations

2194
01:57:59,412 --> 01:58:02,772
on suspect and to narrow down
time frames as far as when

2195
01:58:02,772 --> 01:58:05,592
they're in the city, because
our cameras are kind of set up

2196
01:58:05,592 --> 01:58:09,102
on the exits of
the city and most

2197
01:58:09,102 --> 01:58:10,512
of the entrances of the city.

2198
01:58:10,512 --> 01:58:13,032
So we can see when a
vehicle came through,

2199
01:58:13,032 --> 01:58:14,380
you know, if we have a crime.

2200
01:58:14,380 --> 01:58:14,880
Right.

2201
01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:17,160
Hey, he entered the
city at this time.

2202
01:58:17,160 --> 01:58:18,756
And left immediately
after the crime.

2203
01:58:18,756 --> 01:58:21,162
That that's possibly
our vehicle you

2204
01:58:21,162 --> 01:58:22,842
know, and possibly the plate.

2205
01:58:22,842 --> 01:58:28,842
If we're looking for a blue Ford
f-150 or something like that.

2206
01:58:28,842 --> 01:58:29,582
Right.

2207
01:58:29,582 --> 01:58:32,382
So they're very
helpful as far as far

2208
01:58:32,382 --> 01:58:34,902
as accountability,
I will say a couple

2209
01:58:34,902 --> 01:58:37,392
of things on that Two things.

2210
01:58:37,392 --> 01:58:40,032
Number one, the Orange
County sheriff's Department

2211
01:58:40,032 --> 01:58:44,502
doesn't share or flag i'm sorry,
it doesn't share information

2212
01:58:44,502 --> 01:58:47,292
with federal agencies
from the Orange

2213
01:58:47,292 --> 01:58:48,816
county Sheriff's Department.

2214
01:58:48,816 --> 01:58:52,722
Number 2, and more
importantly when

2215
01:58:52,722 --> 01:58:56,052
we make a request
for information

2216
01:58:56,052 --> 01:58:59,391
we have to give a reason
We have to give our name.

2217
01:58:59,391 --> 01:59:02,130
And we have to
give a case number.

2218
01:59:02,130 --> 01:59:02,799
Right.

2219
01:59:02,799 --> 01:59:06,202
Whether it be a report number or
an incident number or something

2220
01:59:06,202 --> 01:59:06,702
like that.

2221
01:59:06,702 --> 01:59:08,322
So everything is tracked.

2222
01:59:08,322 --> 01:59:11,442
So our guys aren't
doing anything,

2223
01:59:11,442 --> 01:59:14,652
you know as you've heard
in the media on nefarious.

2224
01:59:14,652 --> 01:59:16,182
And if they do,
they're prosecute it,

2225
01:59:16,182 --> 01:59:19,572
you know, by their you
know, whatever law.

2226
01:59:19,572 --> 01:59:21,114
They've violated and by policy.

2227
01:59:21,114 --> 01:59:24,912
So no, I definitely appreciate,
you know, some of the words.

2228
01:59:24,912 --> 01:59:27,852
I know the you know,
it does fall, I

2229
01:59:27,852 --> 01:59:29,352
believe, into the
purview of, you know,

2230
01:59:29,352 --> 01:59:32,172
the roadways of the community
because the cameras are

2231
01:59:32,172 --> 01:59:33,942
installed along our roadways.

2232
01:59:33,942 --> 01:59:35,982
And I think it's
really helpful when

2233
01:59:35,982 --> 01:59:39,672
members of our public
safety services, you know,

2234
01:59:39,672 --> 01:59:42,912
speak to what's truthful
and what's not as truthful.

2235
01:59:42,912 --> 01:59:43,782
Yeah.

2236
01:59:43,782 --> 01:59:45,252
Yeah I think they've
I think they've

2237
01:59:45,252 --> 01:59:50,517
been a great a great benefit for
investigations after the fact.

2238
01:59:50,517 --> 01:59:55,572
So, yeah good Appreciate
those comments.

2239
01:59:55,572 --> 01:59:59,082
I, I wish those comments would
have been said last night

2240
01:59:59,082 --> 02:00:02,562
after the one public speaker
because it could have presented

2241
02:00:02,562 --> 02:00:09,252
a different picture of what
was being stated I know

2242
02:00:09,252 --> 02:00:11,982
a lot of folks don't
like the idea of cameras,

2243
02:00:11,982 --> 02:00:17,322
but this is a great point that
you're making that a crime was

2244
02:00:17,322 --> 02:00:20,202
solved because
the technology was

2245
02:00:20,202 --> 02:00:28,662
there in regards to what's
happening in our city

2246
02:00:28,662 --> 02:00:29,742
with e-bikes.

2247
02:00:29,742 --> 02:00:32,160
Do you see an uptick?

2248
02:00:32,160 --> 02:00:35,022
Is it status quo?

2249
02:00:35,022 --> 02:00:38,232
What what's happening in
the city in regards to

2250
02:00:38,232 --> 02:00:42,072
are we having more more
collisions with them?

2251
02:00:42,072 --> 02:00:44,352
What's what does that
look like right now?

2252
02:00:44,352 --> 02:00:46,692
You know, it's kind
of in Laguna Hills

2253
02:00:46,692 --> 02:00:48,162
as far as a study
and look at the stats

2254
02:00:48,162 --> 02:00:50,202
right before this
meeting on e-bikes.

2255
02:00:50,202 --> 02:00:54,882
But we're going to Hills
This is kind of unique as far

2256
02:00:54,882 --> 02:00:59,262
as the e-bike problem
Aliso Viejo has a bigger

2257
02:00:59,262 --> 02:01:02,382
e-bike problem Rancho Santa
margarita does Mission

2258
02:01:02,382 --> 02:01:08,322
Viejo, of course and I
think if we had a mall,

2259
02:01:08,322 --> 02:01:11,442
you know, across the
street, if we had shops

2260
02:01:11,442 --> 02:01:14,712
and things like that that were
exciting for kids to go to,

2261
02:01:14,712 --> 02:01:17,649
I think we would be seeing a
lot more e-bikes We do see them.

2262
02:01:17,649 --> 02:01:19,182
You know, they cross
right out in front of you

2263
02:01:19,182 --> 02:01:20,582
while you're driving
and things like that.

2264
02:01:20,582 --> 02:01:23,952
It's it's very dangerous, but
we don't have in Laguna Hills

2265
02:01:23,952 --> 02:01:26,502
the problem to the extent that
our surrounding cities do.

2266
02:01:26,502 --> 02:01:29,052
Fortunately for us right
now maybe that's because

2267
02:01:29,052 --> 02:01:31,302
of the terrain that we have.

2268
02:01:31,302 --> 02:01:39,102
But so we are not seeing an
uptick in e-bike collisions yet

2269
02:01:39,102 --> 02:01:41,322
that may everybody's
buying an e-bike.

2270
02:01:41,322 --> 02:01:44,622
You know so that may we
may start seeing that.

2271
02:01:44,622 --> 02:01:46,752
But right now, we're
not in our departments

2272
02:01:46,752 --> 02:01:52,482
getting pretty serious on our on
e-bike enforcement So we'll see.

2273
02:01:52,482 --> 02:01:54,642
We'll see citations go up.

2274
02:01:54,642 --> 02:01:57,732
The DEA wants to work with
the sheriff's departments

2275
02:01:57,732 --> 02:02:00,072
And then so you'll probably
see some things like that

2276
02:02:00,072 --> 02:02:02,113
in the future coming out OK.

2277
02:02:02,113 --> 02:02:04,120
So the DEA is also getting
serious about e-bikes.

2278
02:02:04,120 --> 02:02:06,556
Thank you. you for
that report, Chief.

2279
02:02:06,556 --> 02:02:07,604
It's very good.

2280
02:02:07,604 --> 02:02:10,062
That brings us up to
our city engineer.

2281
02:02:10,062 --> 02:02:15,102
Verbal report, Verbal report.

2282
02:02:15,102 --> 02:02:18,522
I don't really have a actual
verbal report this evening

2283
02:02:18,522 --> 02:02:26,562
other than other than to explain
that last night the city council

2284
02:02:26,562 --> 02:02:29,605
voted to approve staff's
recommendation for the village

2285
02:02:29,605 --> 02:02:34,062
of Laguna Hills project More
information is available

2286
02:02:34,062 --> 02:02:35,562
on the online.

2287
02:02:35,562 --> 02:02:39,504
Don't really have a whole
lot to say about that, other

2288
02:02:39,504 --> 02:02:43,212
than the fact that the
department will be busy Event

2289
02:02:43,212 --> 02:02:49,152
Stream Processing plans for
grading improvement stormwater

2290
02:02:49,152 --> 02:02:56,232
plans and we are currently,
in terms of capital

2291
02:02:56,232 --> 02:02:57,584
improvement projects.

2292
02:02:57,584 --> 02:03:03,042
I guess I can give you a small
update on that City Council

2293
02:03:03,042 --> 02:03:09,787
voted previously to reject all
bids for the residential streets

2294
02:03:09,787 --> 02:03:10,383
projects.

2295
02:03:10,383 --> 02:03:13,962
Capital One on one M, which
was the residential resurfacing

2296
02:03:13,962 --> 02:03:17,742
project as some of
you may be aware,

2297
02:03:17,742 --> 02:03:21,522
the city's goal has been to
either a slurry sewer overlay.

2298
02:03:21,522 --> 02:03:25,362
Every residential street
in the city every six years

2299
02:03:25,362 --> 02:03:27,522
right now due to
budget constraints,

2300
02:03:27,522 --> 02:03:30,852
plus the high price of oil.

2301
02:03:30,852 --> 02:03:34,362
There isn't some way to
accomplish that right now So

2302
02:03:34,362 --> 02:03:37,842
the city did receive
five bids based

2303
02:03:37,842 --> 02:03:42,032
in additive bids for almost
like what you just experienced

2304
02:03:42,032 --> 02:03:43,332
tonight with trying
to figure out which

2305
02:03:43,332 --> 02:03:45,222
way to make the numbers fit.

2306
02:03:45,222 --> 02:03:46,842
Same thing with that.

2307
02:03:46,842 --> 02:03:49,062
But the numbers were a
little bit unsatisfactory.

2308
02:03:49,062 --> 02:03:53,172
So going back out to bid again
on that to see what we can do

2309
02:03:53,172 --> 02:03:55,422
within the budget to
take care of streets

2310
02:03:55,422 --> 02:04:03,732
within the zones and the and
we are unrelated to the traffic

2311
02:04:03,732 --> 02:04:04,272
commission.

2312
02:04:04,272 --> 02:04:07,782
We're also working on.

2313
02:04:07,782 --> 02:04:11,753
We received bids for five
park improvement projects.

2314
02:04:11,753 --> 02:04:15,792
And we're going
through that right now

2315
02:04:15,792 --> 02:04:18,012
And we'll be making
a recommendation

2316
02:04:18,012 --> 02:04:21,251
for that at the August 25
meeting along with Scope one.

2317
02:04:21,251 --> 02:04:25,962
I want him now at the august
25 meeting recommending certain

2318
02:04:25,962 --> 02:04:32,562
of what you just recommended
tonight And so the next meeting

2319
02:04:32,562 --> 02:04:36,651
for the city council is August
21 and we'll have again,

2320
02:04:36,651 --> 02:04:40,308
a full slate of items from
public works on that agenda.

2321
02:04:40,308 --> 02:04:40,917
OK.

2322
02:04:40,917 --> 02:04:41,832
Thank you.

2323
02:04:41,832 --> 02:04:43,332
You.

2324
02:04:43,332 --> 02:04:47,282
Yes and being one
of us is disturbed.

2325
02:04:47,282 --> 02:04:53,742
A time table on the
parking spots there.

2326
02:04:53,742 --> 02:04:55,572
In other in Lebanon.

2327
02:04:55,572 --> 02:05:01,092
Okay Actually, I will say
that I was out in the field

2328
02:05:01,092 --> 02:05:07,482
as we were as our staff and our
contractor was laying the lines.

2329
02:05:07,482 --> 02:05:09,402
So we did a half
a street at a time

2330
02:05:09,402 --> 02:05:11,712
Thank you for bringing this up.

2331
02:05:11,712 --> 02:05:15,792
And we received such an
outpouring of support, people

2332
02:05:15,792 --> 02:05:18,102
coming out of
their homes So I do

2333
02:05:18,102 --> 02:05:21,012
want to thank the traffic
Commission for recommending that

2334
02:05:21,012 --> 02:05:24,552
and Council for approving that.

2335
02:05:24,552 --> 02:05:28,244
We had a lot of support on that.

2336
02:05:28,244 --> 02:05:33,702
I know Sozzi is out enforcing
that The parking stall thing,

2337
02:05:33,702 --> 02:05:34,482
it seems like.

2338
02:05:34,482 --> 02:05:37,482
And I think Captain Burke has
something to say about that.

2339
02:05:37,482 --> 02:05:38,472
Yeah, just really quick.

2340
02:05:38,472 --> 02:05:41,712
I was talking to our CSO is
asking how it was going over

2341
02:05:41,712 --> 02:05:44,484
and be alone This is
in regards to parking

2342
02:05:44,484 --> 02:05:47,138
and they said they
love the t marks

2343
02:05:47,138 --> 02:05:50,202
and they thought that was
such a great idea They've

2344
02:05:50,202 --> 02:05:53,778
had a lot less problems with,
with people parking their not

2345
02:05:53,778 --> 02:05:55,932
seen cars, but it
up to each other you

2346
02:05:55,932 --> 02:05:58,392
know like they were
and things like that.

2347
02:05:58,392 --> 02:06:00,387
It's just seems
they're still issues.

2348
02:06:00,387 --> 02:06:02,820
But it just seems like
it's gotten a lot better.

2349
02:06:02,820 --> 02:06:04,872
So Great idea.

2350
02:06:04,872 --> 02:06:10,182
Yeah, it was it was really
exciting when that idea came up

2351
02:06:10,182 --> 02:06:11,442
and we thought,
well, we could bring

2352
02:06:11,442 --> 02:06:15,822
some order to the aloneness,
which is that's a great thing.

2353
02:06:15,822 --> 02:06:17,832
And my understanding
is we're also

2354
02:06:17,832 --> 02:06:20,262
going to do the same
on Laguna Hills Drive

2355
02:06:20,262 --> 02:06:24,732
Yes, we are going to
be painting the parking

2356
02:06:24,732 --> 02:06:28,122
stalls on the green hills drive
because it's an arterial highway

2357
02:06:28,122 --> 02:06:30,642
rather than doing the
2020 and four gap.

2358
02:06:30,642 --> 02:06:34,543
We're just painting 24
foot parking spaces which

2359
02:06:34,543 --> 02:06:37,902
is that they're alternative
and that will be installed

2360
02:06:37,902 --> 02:06:39,612
soon with a work order.

2361
02:06:39,612 --> 02:06:42,702
There was in the
interest of providing

2362
02:06:42,702 --> 02:06:43,842
potentially some relief.

2363
02:06:43,842 --> 02:06:48,102
We wanted to open up the roadway
first and then bring back

2364
02:06:48,102 --> 02:06:53,292
the paint crew during a future
street sweeping for our window

2365
02:06:53,292 --> 02:06:56,412
where we can lay that out
pretty quickly over there.

2366
02:06:56,412 --> 02:06:59,292
And there's going to be about
85 parking spaces out there.

2367
02:06:59,292 --> 02:07:03,565
That'll be that'll be actual tee
marked out on Laguna Hills drive

2368
02:07:03,565 --> 02:07:05,582
on the south Side.

2369
02:07:05,582 --> 02:07:07,512
That's very good news.

2370
02:07:07,512 --> 02:07:08,952
Very good news.

2371
02:07:08,952 --> 02:07:13,184
OK, Commissioners mr. Jones
comments is Mike Evans OK,

2372
02:07:13,184 --> 02:07:14,176
There we go.

2373
02:07:14,176 --> 02:07:14,920
Mr. Patel.

2374
02:07:14,920 --> 02:07:20,922
I'm looking forward to our
August 12th meeting or workshop

2375
02:07:20,922 --> 02:07:23,682
because I think there's a lot
of things that can be said about

2376
02:07:23,682 --> 02:07:24,852
parking in this community.

2377
02:07:24,852 --> 02:07:28,872
And so, yes, I'm looking forward
to having a robust conversation

2378
02:07:28,872 --> 02:07:31,397
about, you know, even
opportunities for the city

2379
02:07:31,397 --> 02:07:35,112
to hopefully, be able to
get more permitting to get

2380
02:07:35,112 --> 02:07:37,362
more money to fix our streets.

2381
02:07:37,362 --> 02:07:41,562
Yeah You know, it's
the talk of the town

2382
02:07:41,562 --> 02:07:44,429
whether it's when are we
getting our streets paved

2383
02:07:44,429 --> 02:07:46,850
to where is the parking at.

2384
02:07:46,850 --> 02:07:51,702
That is the definitely the talk
and so I want to thank the staff

2385
02:07:51,702 --> 02:07:54,402
tonight for I know it
was a lot of work to get

2386
02:07:54,402 --> 02:07:55,932
prepared for this
meeting tonight.

2387
02:07:55,932 --> 02:07:58,062
So thank you so much.

2388
02:07:58,062 --> 02:07:58,882
Job well done.

2389
02:07:58,882 --> 02:07:59,382
Thank you.

2390
02:07:59,382 --> 02:07:59,882
Thank you.

2391
02:07:59,882 --> 02:08:01,032
Thank you.

2392
02:08:01,032 --> 02:08:03,222
In our next meeting
as we said, it

2393
02:08:03,222 --> 02:08:05,622
is going to be our
special meeting

2394
02:08:05,622 --> 02:08:10,602
August 12th at 6:00 5:00.

2395
02:08:10,602 --> 02:08:13,620
I had heard previously
that you wanted at 5:30.

2396
02:08:13,620 --> 02:08:14,850
I thought that was.

2397
02:08:14,850 --> 02:08:16,080
But I'm not positive.

2398
02:08:16,080 --> 02:08:17,392
I thought i didn't know.

2399
02:08:17,392 --> 02:08:17,892
And.

2400
02:08:17,892 --> 02:08:21,778
Vice Chair Patel, I thought
you and i could imagine this.

2401
02:08:21,778 --> 02:08:25,602
I thought you wanted to do it
at 5:30, but i don't remember.

2402
02:08:25,602 --> 02:08:27,212
No specific Quickly.

2403
02:08:27,212 --> 02:08:30,183
I think it was over email,
so maybe we can double check.

2404
02:08:30,183 --> 02:08:30,683
OK.

2405
02:08:30,683 --> 02:08:31,183
Definitely.

2406
02:08:31,183 --> 02:08:31,985
Like the 5:30.

2407
02:08:31,985 --> 02:08:33,762
Just Does that work for you?

2408
02:08:33,762 --> 02:08:35,242
You have to get
from work, right?

2409
02:08:35,242 --> 02:08:35,742
OK.

2410
02:08:35,742 --> 02:08:40,522
OK So, okay, it looks like
5:30 is going to be a good.

2411
02:08:40,522 --> 02:08:43,224
So yeah, we're looking
forward to that meeting

2412
02:08:43,224 --> 02:08:45,447
And at this time,
we're going to adjourn.

2413
02:08:45,447 --> 02:08:49,332
Thank you so much, everybody
And a job well done.

2414
02:08:49,332 --> 02:09:04,872
Thank you Jay
Yeah, we don't want

2415
02:09:04,872 --> 02:09:08,952
to make it where you can't
make it to the meeting on time

2416
02:09:08,952 --> 02:09:10,872
I don't know if for forum.

2417
02:09:10,872 --> 02:09:18,192
Yeah, you're right Yeah
So we found out from mike

2418
02:09:18,192 --> 02:09:19,932
just right before we got into.

2419
02:09:19,932 --> 02:09:21,612
Listen to me, okay?

2420
02:09:21,612 --> 02:09:23,378
Correct.

2421
02:09:23,378 --> 02:09:26,321
Yeah I hope this is good.

2422
02:09:26,321 --> 02:09:28,782
It seems like it's now, but
we have some things to take

2423
02:09:28,782 --> 02:09:30,705
care to put in a version.

2424
02:09:30,705 --> 02:09:32,555
Oh, okay.

2425
02:09:32,555 --> 02:09:36,352
So i thought this was a good
conversation on permanent part.

2426
02:09:36,352 --> 02:09:36,852
Yes.

2427
02:09:36,852 --> 02:09:37,352
Yeah Yeah.

2428
02:09:37,352 --> 02:09:39,762
So, I mean, I. I did
get a little bit more

2429
02:09:39,762 --> 02:09:42,941
heated with that,
so but, you know,

2430
02:09:42,941 --> 02:09:45,782
I just thought it was
unfair that you know,

2431
02:09:45,782 --> 02:09:48,642
the thing with you
because we have i

2432
02:09:48,642 --> 02:09:51,891
can't afford place
to remain and we're

2433
02:09:51,891 --> 02:09:59,502
you know we're just so we're
more protected by the Supreme.

2434
02:09:59,502 --> 02:10:00,830
It's super expensive.

2435
02:10:00,830 --> 02:10:03,765
And i had to use.

2436
02:10:03,765 --> 02:10:07,151
It's our biggest
expense, but we don't.