[1:16] 
[2:11] Possibly having justice Right?
[2:29] Is get a lot of Good
evening, everyone
[2:41] and welcome to the July
15 meeting of the Laguna
[2:46] Hills traffic commission.
[2:48] Thank you all for being
out here tonight Believe it
[2:55] or not half of July is over
Yeah, I hope everyone had a.
[3:01] Wondered for 4th of July were
out on the street that Laguna
[3:06] Hills had One of
the best fireworks
[3:08] shows in the entire
area But it's kind
[3:12] of a little biased there.
[3:14] Yes very good.
[3:15] Very good.
[3:16] We're going to go ahead
and open the meeting up
[3:19] with the Pledge of Allegiance.
[3:21] So if everybody could stand.
[3:22] And I'll ask Mr. Patel
to lead us tonight
[3:27] Thank you All right, everyone.
[3:30] 3 to 1 is a flag of the
United States of America
[3:37] and to the republic
for which it stands.
[3:40] One nation underground is
a visible injustice for.
[3:46] Thank you.
[3:46] You can be seated OK.
[3:54] At this time, we'll
call for the clerk
[3:57] to take roll call Let the record
show we have a quorum with three
[4:06] commissioners present
in the chamber
[4:09] Thank you Yeah My
understanding tonight is.
[4:14] Commission or Kipruto.
[4:15] At the last moment
had a family situation
[4:18] that he had to deal with.
[4:19] So So we're thankful that he's
was able to reach out and let
[4:25] us know what was going on.
[4:27] OK Now, at this time,
we're going to move forward
[4:31] to public comment This is a
time to address the traffic
[4:36] commission on any matters not
listed on the agenda that is
[4:41] within the subject
subject matter jurist
[4:43] diction of the commission
Public comments are
[4:47] limited to Three minutes
per person as determined
[4:50] by the chair.
[4:52] And at this time I'll
call on the clerk
[4:54] to call for public comment
We have One request
[5:01] to speak George Falcon regarding
limited parking on Buckingham.
[5:07] Thank you, sir If you could
come forward to the podium.
[5:11] Thank you for being here
tonight We welcome Good.
[5:17] Thank you And is
George Falcon And I'm
[5:21] a resident of
vacation falls, which
[5:23] is just off of backing him.
[5:24] Street on June 11th.
[5:29] I received in a number of people
received parking tickets when
[5:33] the parking was restricted on
Becky in a park along Beckham
[5:38] Park There had been
really no warning about it
[5:43] and i guess the no parking
was placed that same day.
[5:49] And that night we
received parking.
[5:50] Take a bunch of people
received parking
[5:52] tickets I did contact the city.
[5:54] The city was really
good about it.
[5:55] You know, we've discussed it.
[5:57] And I believe the tickets
and take care of Will will,
[6:01] you know, we'll work
that out My concern
[6:05] is about the need for parking
in the community There
[6:11] is a real need in my community.
[6:14] Occasionally there's 99 homes
in our home, in our place.
[6:18] We have very limited.
[6:19] We have actually
no street parking
[6:21] within the community Right.
[6:22] Because we pay for part drives
and parking and all that stuff.
[6:27] Or driveways and streets.
[6:30] And so we've been
using backing them
[6:31] And so, yes we are a part
of the use of the street,
[6:36] but also then there's, you
know, others in the community
[6:40] that use the parking.
[6:41] So by reduce by getting
eliminating that parking,
[6:46] it's moving that issue or
a problem somewhere else.
[6:50] And so I just want to identify
that that is an issue we'd like
[6:55] to see if there's If
the committee is there,
[6:58] the traffic commission,
consider other options
[7:02] for parking public
parking on public streets
[7:06] I understand that you
have on the agenda
[7:08] You have the district for
parking within communities.
[7:11] I understand that
and respect that.
[7:14] But we also we have 99 homes.
[7:17] We pay our property taxes.
[7:19] We'd like to have the
same kind of you know,
[7:22] consideration for
parking and not just
[7:25] have things removed
without any discussion.
[7:27] And so we Yeah, there
was no discussion,
[7:30] no conversation with
our community about
[7:32] impure It happened.
[7:34] OK Thank you so much
for your comments.
[7:37] We really appreciate that.
[7:38] And the commission
really understands
[7:42] in a very high level, what
you're talking about tonight.
[7:45] We've been working very
hard on that issue.
[7:47] But thank you so much
for your comments.
[7:49] If you'd like to speak on the
other agenda item Specifically
[7:52] in regards to the
parking permit program,
[7:54] you can also speak on that.
[7:56] Okay.
[7:57] Yeah.
[7:57] The only consideration if
there would be a consideration
[8:00] for a parking permit
of for I'm begging him,
[8:04] but that would be
under that agenda.
[8:06] Right Right.
[8:07] But that will be discussed
under the actual agenda item.
[8:10] But thank you so much for being
here tonight, sir Thank you,
[8:14] Chair miller, would it be
possible for city staff
[8:16] to speak to the public?
[8:19] Session next month regarding
parking Like a reminder
[8:24] about the date and time Oh,
thank you Commissioner Patel.
[8:32] You're referring to the
August 12th special meeting?
[8:34] Yeah The public forum,
if you will Yeah.
[8:39] So we're the.
[8:41] There is going to be a floor are
proposing a traffic commission
[8:47] special meeting on
August 12th to talk
[8:49] about parking issues generally.
[8:52] And so that will be
held on August 12th that
[8:55] has not yet been posted
on the city's website
[8:57] regarding that OK.
[8:59] But it will be posted
shortly Thank you.
[9:01] Okay Thank you so much.
[9:04] Clerk Are there are there
any other public comments
[9:08] for tonight, whether in
the audience or electronic,
[9:11] that came in right.
[9:15] Sir, if you'd like to come
speak during public comment,
[9:17] you can Guidelines
for what it is.
[9:23] Sir, Are you talking about an
agenda item or non agenda I
[9:26] just.
[9:27] I don't know.
[9:27] Some general traffic
with traffic parking It's
[9:32] probably okay.
[9:34] So.
[9:35] So we'll be calling you up later
in the meeting when we actually
[9:39] take public comment on a
specific agenda item Okay
[9:47] So my understanding is there are
no other General public comments
[9:53] that moves us forward.
[9:55] True agenda item 2.1, which is
the approval of the May 20th
[10:00] 2026 regular meeting minutes.
[10:03] And I'll ask the
Commission if any
[10:06] of those items on those
minutes need to be pulled
[10:09] or I would also seek a
motion Motion to approve
[10:12] the minutes I have a motion.
[10:14] Mr. Patel and we
have a Second mark
[10:17] and clerk if you
can take the vote
[10:20] on that Chair Patel vice chair.
[10:36] Patel.
[10:37] Sorry, sorry.
[10:38] Chair.
[10:39] Miller I. I know you guys
Commissioner, are or Jones.
[10:47] Sorry, I I think those were
It's okay Motion approved.
[10:55] Thank you.
[10:55] That motion moves forward.
[10:57] Now, we.
[10:59] We don't have any
presentations for tonight.
[11:01] At least I don't know of
any that are on the agenda.
[11:05] This is going to move us forward
to our Administrative reports
[11:09] And I'm going to move
forward to that in the agenda
[11:30] this agenda item 4.1 is the
review of petitions received
[11:36] regarding establishment of
proposed residential parking
[11:41] permit districts.
[11:42] And at this time we will ask
staff for a report Thank you.
[11:48] Chair Miller Happy
to provide the report
[11:52] and our assistant engineers
will be working to bring up
[11:55] the presentation in just
one moment on the screen
[11:58] Thank you I'm going to
grab a little bit of water
[12:01] for a second.
[12:02] Oh, yes, go ahead So quite
a mouthful over there
[12:23] Review of petitions
received regarding
[12:25] the establishment of
proposed residential permit
[12:27] parking for camera will.
[12:28] Pending criminal.
[12:30] The Avenue to Avalon
lutes on stows cell
[12:34] for derby Circle York
Circle sunset place West
[12:38] and East and Sunset place.
[12:40] Next slide, please All right
So at the march 18th 2026,
[13:06] Traffic Commission,
regular meeting,
[13:08] city staff made a presentation
regarding requests received
[13:12] by the city from residents
desiring the establishment
[13:15] of residential permit parking.
[13:17] That would prohibit
overnight parking
[13:18] on streets near Beckenham Park,
Campbell Street Beckenham Street
[13:22] and in the Sunset
place neighborhood
[13:24] without a parking permit
Our residents reside
[13:28] on or near Camberwell Street
as well as in the Sunset
[13:30] Place neighborhood.
[13:31] Describe Undesirable safety,
accessibility and quality
[13:35] of life issues due to non
resident vehicle parking and
[13:38] lack of an enforceable street.
[13:40] Sweeping is the
basis for requesting
[13:42] the establishment of a
residential permit parking
[13:44] district next slide, please.
[13:46] So as a reminder, I'm
Laguna Hills municipal code
[13:50] to designate a neighborhood or a
street as a permit parking area
[13:54] within the city of Laguna Hills.
[13:56] The municipal code requires
that a city petition form
[13:59] be submitted to the city with
the signatures of at least 67%
[14:03] of the property owner
supporting the proposed
[14:06] permit parking area.
[14:07] Next slide, please And
at that March 18 meeting,
[14:12] there was also discussion of
how over time the establishment
[14:16] of nearby residential
permit parking districts
[14:19] has resulted in more parking
vehicles being displaced
[14:22] and other nearby streets
without parking restrictions
[14:26] Should a sudden without
parking restrictions presumably
[14:30] as a result of the lack
of available parking
[14:32] at or adjacent to nearby.
[14:34] Multifamily housing next
slide, please So currently
[14:41] this is the in the area.
[14:44] This is the existing
residential permit parking zone
[14:50] and yellow on those streets.
[14:53] You cannot park overnight,
unless you have a permit issued
[14:59] by the city And
then there is a no
[15:02] parking zone overnight parking
zone between 10 p.m. and 6 a.m..
[15:08] And that was the
red zone And then,
[15:10] as was described in public
comments just a short while ago,
[15:14] there is the recently
implemented no overnight parking
[15:17] that was recommended by
the traffic commission
[15:20] and approved by the
city council recently.
[15:22] And next slide, please So
back at the March 18 meeting,
[15:28] in response the
traffic commission
[15:30] recommended that city staff.
[15:31] Send out.
[15:32] Petition forms to residents
and all the streets.
[15:35] I mentioned earlier.
[15:36] And additionally, the traffic
commission recommended
[15:38] the establishment of
an overnight parking
[15:40] on streets adjacent
to back in the park
[15:43] and on the side of
the street closest
[15:45] to the park and
the establishment
[15:47] of no overnight parking on
the south side of Beckenham
[15:49] Street extending from
Acacia Lane to Wilkes Place,
[15:53] there was already an existing
no parking zone It was.
[15:57] Extended by the purple
line on the previous slide.
[15:59] slide, please.
[16:01] And then based upon the
recommendation of the traffic
[16:04] commission at the
city council meeting,
[16:06] they approved all of that That's
what this slide says Next slide,
[16:12] please So the traffic
commission back in March
[16:18] recommends that the city staff
send out parking parking permit
[16:25] petitions to the homes
adjacent to the streets
[16:30] colored in orange.
[16:31] On this map there
were 308 ballots.
[16:36] Petition ballots send
out those petitions
[16:39] as allowed for the
individual returned
[16:42] from the resident of a
petition indicating that they
[16:46] desired permit parking.
[16:48] The form also allowed
for canvassing
[16:51] by interested community
members and neighbors
[16:53] to go door to door to collect
signatures Next slide, please.
[16:58] Here's another version of
the map So the homes in red
[17:03] already have existing
permit parking
[17:06] and then the homes in
blue outlined in blue
[17:10] are the 308 homes that were the
subject of the recent petition
[17:16] gathering process.
[17:17] Next slide, please The city
council is aware of the issues
[17:26] regarding lack of parking and
displacement so much so that
[17:32] separately at the
june 9th meeting,
[17:35] Mayor Pro Tem pro Tem Mathis and
Councilmember Wheeler requested
[17:39] that city staff Return
to a future city council
[17:42] meeting with a report
discussing parking
[17:44] and street sweeping issues.
[17:46] That report was attached to
the Traffic Commission's agenda
[17:51] packet So you have and
Mayor Pro Tem Mathis also
[17:55] made a motion that was seconded
by Councilmember Wheeler
[17:59] to take a look at.
[18:00] Allowing overnight parking on
the south side of Laguna Hills
[18:03] drive at that time,
Laguna Hills Drive
[18:06] have had a prohibition
on overnight parking
[18:09] and you can only park
on the south side
[18:11] of Laguna Hills Drive between
Indian Hill Lane and pasadena.
[18:14] Valencia During the daytime
And that historically
[18:18] was done because of insufficient
parking at Laguna Hills High
[18:23] School With the
decrease enrollment
[18:26] at Laguna Hills High School
And after consultation it
[18:31] was determined that that no
longer needed to be in place
[18:35] Next slide, please So going
back to the current process,
[18:40] I'm doing this in
chronological order.
[18:42] Sorry for the ping pong
approach here On June 15,
[18:45] city staff mailed out
those ballot petitions
[18:48] that 308 properties and that
ballot petition that was mailed
[18:54] was attached to your staff
report as an example.
[18:57] And the deadline for the receipt
of those ballot petitions
[19:00] for that area was 5 p.m. on.
[19:05] Was what time is it now?
[19:07] 617.
[19:09] So city staff has furiously been
putting together the results.
[19:12] We've been telling up as we go.
[19:13] And we received
several petitions today
[19:16] and we'll be reviewing the
results of that in a moment.
[19:20] Next slide, please So going
back to Laguna Hills Drive
[19:26] so at the June 23rd, 2026,
City council regular meeting,
[19:30] city staff provided
that comprehensive
[19:33] presentation on parking
and street sweeping issues.
[19:36] As I indicated that was
attached to tonight's traffic
[19:39] Commission Agenda report.
[19:41] Specific to solving the parking
issues near Beckenham Park,
[19:44] Camberwell street, Beckenham
Street and the Sunset
[19:46] Place neighborhood.
[19:47] City staff at that meeting
recommended allowing parking
[19:52] on the south side of Laguna
Hills Drive between Indian Hill
[19:55] Lane and Valencia in order
to potentially decrease
[19:59] the number of
vehicles being parked
[20:02] in the adjoining
residential neighborhoods
[20:04] And the city council adopted
So the city council adopted
[20:08] that resolution, removing
overnight parking restriction
[20:11] on the south side of
laguna Hills Drive
[20:13] and establishing a no parking
during street sweeping hours.
[20:17] Laguna Hills Drive is.
[20:19] We'll be swept between 8
a.m. and 12 p.m. on Tuesday
[20:23] is once a week so people
need to move their vehicles.
[20:27] So here is a map of
Laguna Hills drive.
[20:30] So it's a unique street on the
north side of Laguna Hills Drive
[20:36] at the northwest corner
of the city of Valencia
[20:39] in Laguna Hills Drive
There's a medical office
[20:42] building which also suffers
from lack of parking.
[20:47] So years ago on an unusual
permit parking district
[20:50] was established for the benefit
of the medical office building
[20:55] on the northwest
corner And so there
[20:57] is existing permit
parking that's
[21:00] denoted by the Orange line.
[21:03] There is no parking any time
as denoted by the red lines
[21:08] There's existing green parking.
[21:10] With the green line
work for parking
[21:12] adjacent to Sheep Hills
Park located near Moulton
[21:18] and Laguna Hills Drive.
[21:19] And contrary to popular
belief, sheep hills
[21:22] park is not owned by the
city of Laguna Hills.
[21:24] It is owned and
maintained by the ELISA
[21:26] vale Community Association.
[21:29] Back then there was some
people were surmising prior
[21:31] to the annexed portion of
the West Side of Laguna
[21:34] Hills in 2000 that that
was going to be the city
[21:36] of at least some Viejo.
[21:37] And that did not happen Instead
laugh co thought that that
[21:43] should be part of
the going to hills
[21:45] and less severe community
association has been maintaining
[21:48] that park ever since and
then the light blue line
[21:52] on the south side
of the roadway is
[21:54] what the city council approved.
[21:56] Conversion Converting that from
no overnight parking to now
[22:00] unrestricted parking
except for no parking
[22:03] on during the days
and hours of street
[22:05] sweeping, which is tuesdays
again from 8 a.m. to 12 noon.
[22:08] That parking is available now.
[22:10] People can park out there
right now that has been out
[22:14] there for a little over a week.
[22:16] Slide, please So now that the
deadline has passed for receipt
[22:22] of ballot petitions in favor
of the establishment of permit
[22:27] parking on all of those
streets, city staff
[22:30] will review the results
of the petition process.
[22:33] I will say that city staff
worked diligently to review
[22:38] the petitions specific quickly.
[22:40] Julie and Sam, thank you.
[22:43] Julie.
[22:43] Verified the names that the
names match the property
[22:46] assessment rolls as
required by the ordinance
[22:49] and during the process,
we also eliminate added
[22:52] several duplicate signatures.
[22:54] Some some residents submitted
the petition form on their own
[22:58] in the mail and then apparently
maybe a canvassing process came.
[23:03] Took place where more
signatures were collected
[23:07] And we can only count
one signature per address
[23:10] if there were two signatures
collected per address that
[23:12] doesn't count as double voting.
[23:13] It doesn't count.
[23:14] So all you needed was one
signature per address That was
[23:19] the property owners signature.
[23:21] The traffic
commissioners received
[23:23] copies of the
petitions and the maps
[23:26] showing the petitions received.
[23:29] We went through the process
of of tallying up each one
[23:33] and providing that information
to the commissioners.
[23:36] So they can see for
themselves how that was done.
[23:39] Next slide, please So the
following are the results.
[23:43] So these are in
alphabetical order
[23:47] and I want to say that in
the review of these streets,
[23:51] cities staff also looked
at block segments,
[23:55] block by block segments
to try to determine
[23:57] if any of the thresholds
have been made for 67%.
[24:02] So avenue to Avalon,
one out of six homes
[24:05] returned a petition of 16%.
[24:09] K carmel was nine of 14 at 64%.
[24:13] Camberwell as a whole from end
to end was 11 of 29 at 40%.
[24:18] However the segment of
Camberwell, south of Hendon
[24:20] to Castillo Street was 100%.
[24:24] Castillo street as a whole
from end to end was 13 of 25.
[24:29] And then city staff
also looked at Costa
[24:31] between Camberwell and Woolwich,
which was Seven of 12 for 58%.
[24:36] Derby circle was
11 of 22 for 50%.
[24:40] And one Street was
28 of 57 for 49%.
[24:43] However, as a subset, there was
a strong showing for Hendon East
[24:48] to Camberwell, so the
elbow or the 18 out of 20
[24:51] being at a 90% Luton Street
was 13 of 15 and 87%.
[24:57] Salford Street was
ten of 24, 50%.
[25:01] Next slide, please Sunset Place
Neighborhood was 39 of 68.
[25:05] At 57%.
[25:07] And we did look to see if there
was a qualifying subset that
[25:10] could be established either
on any segment of the roadway
[25:15] And what we observed
generally speaking,
[25:17] was that residents on the outer
side of the ring road generally
[25:21] returned petitions All the
residents on the inner side
[25:24] of the ring road did not
return Post petitions
[25:27] via Balboa Five of 1,145%.
[25:31] Wilkes was one of 425%
for the small segment.
[25:34] There adjacent to the
park on the opposite side
[25:37] of the Purple Line, York
Circle was seven of 25%.
[25:42] So you can visually see
how that played out.
[25:44] Next slide, please I'm sorry.
[25:46] This is.
[25:47] So this is the review
of the results.
[25:48] So those segments were the ones
that met the 67% threshold.
[25:52] Slide, please.
[25:53] And then out of the orange area,
the green area met the petition
[25:57] requirements of 67% Now, let
that sink in for a moment
[26:09] Next slide, please So
the recommended action
[26:14] is that the traffic
commission discuss and provide
[26:16] direction to city staff.
[26:18] And just for reference we can
go back to the previous slide
[26:22] for reference here, because this
is probably the most important
[26:24] thing here on the screen I
know I will say that I know
[26:32] that there were a lot of
folks that came in person
[26:35] of the traffic
commission meeting
[26:36] desiring the implementation
of permit parking and city
[26:41] staff looked at all
the different ways even
[26:44] combining blocks with
blocks that didn't
[26:47] quite meet the threshold.
[26:48] And there was no
other way to arrive
[26:51] at this If the overall desire
was to implement permit parking.
[26:57] But we couldn't find
any way to do that.
[26:59] So this is the on a
block by block segment.
[27:01] The best these are the segments
that meet the 67% threshold.
[27:08] I'm happy to receive
any questions
[27:10] from the Traffic
Commission regarding this
[27:14] And that concludes
my presentation.
[27:18] Thank you so much Yeah, I
want to compliment staff.
[27:22] You know the election
ended at 5 p.m. today
[27:26] and they were able to
tally all this data.
[27:33] And in and come up
with the results.
[27:36] That doesn't happen a
lot in elections where
[27:39] you get such quick results.
[27:41] So I definitely want to
compliment your staff
[27:44] on a job well done,
especially it just so
[27:48] happened that it
turned out our traffic
[27:50] commission meeting was the same
day as the end of the election.
[27:54] And they were able
to get it done.
[27:56] So kudos to staff on that
I'm going to open it up.
[28:02] Now to Commissioner eRs for
questions to Steph Curry.
[28:06] Quickly, go back, slide
a few slides actually to
[28:09] on the percentage
breakdown by street.
[28:11] Yeah, this one.
[28:12] Thank you I'll get
back with questions OK?
[28:18] Okay.
[28:19] All right Mr. Jones, do you
have any questions for staff?
[28:22] I guess.
[28:24] And i only understanding how
difficult it is to get people
[28:31] to sign these and the kelly
you're within a couple
[28:38] percentage points there.
[28:40] Me I consideration and give you
a little fudge factor there.
[28:49] Thank you for the question,
Commissioner Jones
[28:53] The answer is possibly I decided
to highlight that in yellow
[28:57] because of how close it was.
[29:01] If you go forward a couple
of slides, same to the map
[29:06] The only issue was, is if you
give the fudge factors, as you
[29:11] called Carmel and
make that green,
[29:14] that segment of Hendon between
Kai Carmel and Camberwell
[29:18] would be in the Orange.
[29:20] That segment there had didn't
have a whole lot of petitions
[29:25] received and even trying
to combine kai Carmel
[29:29] within the green area
East of Camberwell
[29:33] still wouldn't you
wouldn't be able to,
[29:36] you couldn't you couldn't draw
a you couldn't draw or rely
[29:41] on the overabundance of
enthusiasm for permit
[29:45] parking and the other
portion to counteract
[29:47] any part of anywhere else.
[29:49] And so we did that permutation
to try to figure that out.
[29:54] If that would be the case.
[29:55] And it does not So
even if you gave
[29:57] a fudge factor to
come by Carmel,
[29:59] you'd have that gap there.
[30:00] And I don't know if
that's desirable or not.
[30:03] That's for the commission.
[30:04] The way you do
any anything else?
[30:09] Commissioner John OK.
[30:11] I think Mr. Patel is still
working on this question
[30:14] so I'll, I'll
basically make a couple
[30:17] statements here for staff.
[30:19] So, so and staff realizes this.
[30:22] And I would just get
some response from them
[30:25] when we have such a small area
coming up in the green Let's
[30:33] talk about the fact
that we're back
[30:35] to the regular impacts of
dropping that pebble in the pond
[30:41] and the ripple effect.
[30:43] Now going out to these other
areas instead of this whole area
[30:48] being approved by the proper
percentage for a parking
[30:52] permit program It's almost like
these small areas are going
[30:57] to cause these other areas
that did not meet the threshold
[31:01] to have other problems.
[31:04] So are you, even though we're
meeting the threshold old
[31:09] and some of these streets it
appears as though we're going
[31:16] to have impacts on the
streets right next door
[31:21] Is that a question?
you know, if you're
[31:25] asking for my professional
opinion, yes I would.
[31:27] I would.
[31:28] If you were to approve
of the green streets,
[31:30] then you probably would have
impacts on nearby adjacent
[31:34] streets with the
commission is acutely aware
[31:38] of the displacement effect,
as is the city council It was
[31:42] discussed at the June 23rd City
Council meeting and I think
[31:48] the Commission is well aware of
the displacement effect as well.
[31:51] And so you have to weigh that
and whatever deliberations
[31:54] we make here this evening.
[31:56] Okay Thank you.
[31:57] A vice chair.
[31:58] Patel, are you.
[31:59] Are you ready ?
[32:00] OK.
[32:01] Vice Chair Patel.
[32:02] So I have a couple of
questions on the first one
[32:04] is the threshold is
exactly 67% or is it 67%?
[32:09] If we're one, we're two rounds.
[32:10] So point six, six Six.
[32:14] So those is are
particular example,
[32:20] because in the case of Carmel
it's 64 point something percent
[32:25] but that doesn't get you to 67.
[32:27] So the way the municipal
code is read it is it's
[32:30] at least 67% or more.
[32:33] So OK, Carmel, we need one
more for it to get over 67%.
[32:39] So I still highlighted
it in yellow
[32:41] because that was the closest
number that was there
[32:44] and the rest of them don't have
any No, no amount of rounding
[32:48] would get you anywhere near 67%.
[32:51] Yeah Because when I remember
when My neighborhood had
[32:55] petition as an
entire neighborhood,
[32:58] some areas had more than
the 67%, some were below
[33:02] But combining our entire
community together
[33:06] we tried that.
[33:07] Yeah.
[33:07] And so that was over the 67%.
[33:10] So kind of where I
see that the point 66%
[33:13] is if you look at Carmel
combined with the green area,
[33:17] combined with Casto
street entirely,
[33:20] or if we want to go above
that, you would have carmel
[33:27] with the subset of
costs go plus the green
[33:32] And I think that's over the 67%,
which one are you referring to
[33:37] So if we take all the green plus
the yellow the nine out of 14
[33:42] plus the seven out of 12, I
think that got me at 69% for.
[33:50] But those are all disconnected,
street disconnected Okay.
[33:53] So they're all that would
be all disconnected streets.
[33:55] And even then you still so
you're adding you've got
[34:00] to add up 14 three 2050, 2015.
[34:08] So I'm going to go back
to the slide, please.
[34:12] 3, three, four, ten 1735 six.
[34:17] That's 52 and then you've
got Nine 318 and 15.
[34:24] Oh, you also in
the Adam Camberwell
[34:28] and Woolwich only carmel and
then yeah, Cambridge well
[34:33] and Woolwich, the 64.
[34:35] Yeah I'm sorry.
[34:39] Stop between Camberwell.
[34:40] Yeah.
[34:41] Yeah So to rephrase
that again, the sky
[34:44] Carmel next one is
screen Camberwell
[34:45] South and Coastal between
Camberwell and Woolwich.
[34:49] And then it used to control to
the northeast elbow and Street.
[34:54] OK so that's a total
of 64 properties.
[34:56] So I think that the number
that you got let's double check
[35:06] And so this is i think
you I also got 64.
[35:29] Okay Yeah.
[35:36] OK So even with that, though
you have disconnected.
[35:47] Yeah.
[35:48] Series of streets.
[35:50] So if you wanted to have
my the goal number we try
[35:54] to put together
permanent parking
[35:56] is to actually have segments
that connect with one another.
[35:59] So I guess I should have
qualified my statement earlier
[36:01] So yeah, you could cherry pick
out certain pieces that might
[36:05] allow you to disconnect and
streets with one another
[36:09] to get over a threshold
but you'd still wind up
[36:11] with a scattering of an effect.
[36:14] So that's so that's an
example of you know,
[36:21] how you could do that to
get a scattering effect,
[36:23] but it wouldn't lead to And then
when you start trying to add
[36:27] in the connecting
streets and you
[36:29] fall back below the threshold
that's the problem Yes.
[36:33] I mean, I um, absolutely.
[36:36] I yeah, I have the desire is
to try to make the whole thing,
[36:41] whole and connected together.
[36:42] There isn't a way of doing that
right now Yeah, that's fair.
[36:52] And then I was wondering
if the sunset hOA
[36:55] board was in the crowd.
[36:58] I did have my
understanding is they are.
[36:59] And I'm sure when public
comments are called I'm probably
[37:03] going to say something.
[37:04] OK Sounds good.
[37:05] OK.
[37:06] Anything else Okay.
[37:09] Okay No other questions
by Commissioner for Staff.
[37:15] I'll give you one more statistic
Yes or not on the screen.
[37:18] When you add up all
the numbers overall all
[37:21] for the whole orange blob,
we got 147 out of three
[37:28] so it's less than 50%, 50%.
[37:31] Okay.
[37:32] Slightly less, 47%.
[37:35] Okay At this time, we're going
to ask the clerk to call forward
[37:40] our public comments on this
specific agenda item We
[37:47] have six requests to
speak The first speaker is
[37:50] Alex Galvin of ski.
[37:54] Next speaker will
be Terry Whitley
[37:59] Thank you, commissioners.
[38:01] Thank you.
[38:01] Happen to be here.
[38:03] Alex Galasso ski 24831.
[38:05] Camera will street have
lived there about 38 years.
[38:10] I'm part of that subset.
[38:11] Camberwell South of
Hendon and obviously,
[38:15] if I was closed minded and
just on a selfish little level,
[38:19] I can see that the immediate
area around my home
[38:23] looks like it's potentially
destined for the program
[38:27] being a person in the community,
though, of all these years,
[38:31] I completely empathize
with your comments.
[38:33] Commissioner Miller it's
like kicking the can
[38:37] and it's the old out of sight
out of mind for the homes
[38:42] that have yet to experience
what we've been experiencing.
[38:45] The urgency isn't there.
[38:47] We've been experiencing it, and
it's definitely not a Laguna
[38:52] hills way of life
And so all i can say
[38:56] is I appreciate that you're
trying to look at that forward
[39:00] thinking because i
probably in the short term,
[39:04] if there is the implement of
what I see in green you can
[39:09] dutifully expect that down the
road it's going to mushroom out
[39:13] and then it's going
to develop into more
[39:16] But there is the
rules of the city.
[39:18] So all I can say is in terms
of the area that is green,
[39:24] am I getting premature
to ask on some
[39:27] broad level what
the implementation
[39:29] program timeline would entail ?
[39:32] OK.
[39:33] That's a great question.
[39:34] And let me let me
how can we have
[39:37] staff respond to that And I'm
through with my question, sir.
[39:40] Question I, I
think that would be
[39:43] premature to answer
that question Yes,
[39:44] the commission actually
approves something.
[39:46] And if they were to approve
something theoretically,
[39:50] it would have to go to city
council for approval Okay.
[39:53] So the recommendation of the
city council for approval,
[39:55] and if they approved
of it it would
[39:59] take some significant
period of time
[40:02] to get that going with normally
with, say, another three months
[40:06] after that.
[40:07] So there was
supportive five months.
[40:09] There's a process involved.
[40:13] I hope that answers
your question Thank you.
[40:17] Thank you Clark.
[40:19] If we could call the
next speaker, please
[40:23] The next speakers, Terry Whitley
Following is Curtis Van Buskirk
[40:31] Good friends you'd like to
yield your minutes to who's
[40:37] the next speaker after Terry
watts Okay, sir, you can
[40:44] you can come forward.
[40:46] Thank you.
[40:47] So I thought Curtis
should come, right?
[40:49] I'm sorry, Curtis Curtis Van
Buskirk is next So who is that?
[40:53] Who is the next one?
[40:54] After It's Curtis.
[40:57] Jim Cooper Gary
Steinberg and Ed?
[41:04] OK, so the speaker after the
lady who just yielded her 3
[41:09] minutes is what's that
next Speaker Curtis Van
[41:12] Buskirk and that's Curtis But
you're yielding your 3 minutes
[41:17] to the gentleman next to you.
[41:19] I understand.
[41:20] Okay, Curtis, you
can come forward.
[41:21] Thank you.
[41:22] You, sir Thank you
for being here.
[41:31] Thank you for having me.
[41:32] Once again I'm becoming a
persistent thorn in your side.
[41:36] Short of it, I'd
like to first start
[41:39] by thanking the
diligence of staff
[41:41] for going through this effort
I know it's not an easy feat,
[41:46] and I also want to thank
Commission for listening
[41:50] to those of us that have
experienced this, you know,
[41:52] ongoing matter and issue
So based on what I just
[41:58] heard about that timeline
of 4 or 5 months,
[42:01] I am imploring
commission and staff
[42:05] to expedite at all costs We
have continued to experience.
[42:11] I significant pressure after
the implementation of no parking
[42:17] overnight on the park, which,
by the way, looks amazing now.
[42:21] It's beautiful.
[42:22] It's Yeah, it's swept
regularly I couldn't have
[42:27] asked for a better outcome.
[42:29] However for the bubble
effect or the balloon effect.
[42:32] As you know, Director
Ames has a So cleverly
[42:36] named it has pushed out
so we request that there's
[42:42] expediency in this process.
[42:45] My original statement i
hate when my wife tells me
[42:49] I told you so and I say
this with an entire respect
[42:55] but I told you so relative to
expanding the group of petitions
[42:59] that were sent out those
that are not experiencing
[43:02] this problem today
have no motivation
[43:05] to vote in affirmative
with the exception
[43:08] of a few that do regularly.
[43:10] See this as a problem.
[43:12] So what you see as a result here
are the direct impacted areas
[43:16] that voted in affirmative
in a significant way
[43:19] because those are
the ones currently
[43:21] experiencing the the
issues today I empathize.
[43:28] I know that there are some that
are opposed to this measure I do
[43:33] empathize with those
in the community
[43:35] And I this is not a myopic
view from my point point.
[43:40] It is something that is
more holistic in nature.
[43:43] But something's got to
give And that's really what
[43:46] we've come to at this point.
[43:48] And what you see as far as
requests for implementation is,
[43:53] is a you know, overwhelming
support for those
[43:57] directly impacted.
[43:59] And I guarantee that those
once this does going effect,
[44:04] it will become a
problem somewhere
[44:06] else within the community,
in the neighborhood.
[44:09] And I also want to go
hearken back to the original,
[44:13] the measure that was
voted on to open up
[44:16] parking on Lincoln Hills Drive.
[44:18] That's wonderful.
[44:19] All that is not opened up or
alleviated The problem for us
[44:23] in our community at this point.
[44:25] So we continue to be you
know, steadfast in our pursuit
[44:29] of ensuring that this is done.
[44:31] Thank you.
[44:32] You.
[44:32] Well, it's new at that
open parking is a new item,
[44:37] so let's let's see, let's
give it a little bit of time
[44:40] to see how that
transpires Are there
[44:43] any questions from the
commissioner or to our speaker
[44:46] tonight, anything
you'd like to say Yeah.
[44:50] Okay Thank you.
[44:51] Thank you.
[44:51] Thank you, Clark, You can call
the next speaker Next speaker
[44:56] is Gary steinberg.
[44:57] You have six minutes.
[44:58] Gary Good evening, sir.
[45:02] Thank you for being here.
[45:03] Thank you.
[45:04] I hope you don't start
charge if you ramp up here.
[45:06] So often That's okay.
[45:08] You're more of you can come
and speak whenever you want.
[45:11] We enjoy you being here.
[45:12] Thank you.
[45:13] You so much.
[45:14] And thank you for
all the diligence
[45:16] and hard work Again, a big
thank you to Joe and Julie
[45:19] and the old saying Be careful
what you ask for seems
[45:23] to apply with our issues.
[45:24] We ask for permit parking.
[45:26] Typically the eight
nonresidents from coming
[45:28] into our neighborhood
for parking only to trash
[45:31] it and create a nuisance.
[45:32] All we wanted was permit parking
for our homeowners and guests
[45:36] like receiving a
wish from a genie.
[45:38] There's always a
catch In this case,
[45:41] we get no parking for street
sweeping and escalating fines
[45:45] from 15 to hundreds
of dollars And this
[45:50] is that in any way fair?
[45:52] This led to some people
not to agree to permit
[45:55] parking when prior to this.
[45:57] They were in favor We never
had a trash problem before.
[46:01] Out of your area, Parkers
came to our streets
[46:04] Street sweeping was
never a problem.
[46:06] There is no alternative place
to park on sweeping days
[46:10] long with this
comes signed blight.
[46:11] We get polls with double signs.
[46:13] We do not need that either
It's another people don't want
[46:17] the double signs for street
sweeping and anonymous flyer
[46:21] that some people thought
came from the city Also
[46:23] put people off.
[46:24] They thought they would be.
[46:26] There would be
garage inspections.
[46:28] People still believe this.
[46:30] You sent out a
petition, not a ballot.
[46:32] If we do not have
enough signatures,
[46:34] we asked for more
time to get them in.
[46:36] Also there is no parking.
[46:38] I'm backing him.
[46:40] If picking him park.
[46:41] Acacia Knowles has now taken
the parking in our neighborhood.
[46:44] Totally unfair to have
a gated community that
[46:48] should be their problem,
not our problem The solution
[46:51] to these problems
to remove the street
[46:53] sweeping mandate from
the permitted streets
[46:55] are just sunset
Specifically restore
[46:58] parking behind occasional US and
the south side of the street.
[47:03] Across from that can harm park.
[47:05] It was made no parking because
resident Mary Pruitt complain
[47:08] and promptly stalled
after it was adopted.
[47:12] All wants to park on the
street, give them their back
[47:14] and him parking back.
[47:15] The unification of the parking.
[47:17] They should park next
to their neighborhood.
[47:19] That and someone else's.
[47:20] Next, we come to
Laguna Hills Drive.
[47:22] If we have if we
have been taking i
[47:25] have been taking out
driving by every day.
[47:27] Let's address to the north
side the medical building
[47:30] and a little go
towards only uses 50%
[47:32] of the spaces allotted to
them for permits and a street
[47:35] in their parking lot
is less than 50% full.
[47:38] I've notice every day
for the last two weeks
[47:41] and i suggest city
open the north side
[47:43] to all parkers west of
their permitted spaces
[47:46] and reduce how much space.
[47:47] They are allowed
in the building.
[47:49] Can implement a van, pull
or Laguna woods of parking
[47:53] inside their walls.
[47:54] They can get a shuttle
for their employees
[47:56] Our city needs the parking
signage could restrict
[47:59] high school, partly because
I don't watch a thing
[48:03] about kids crossing the street.
[48:05] That was the okay with
the additional parking
[48:08] on Laguna Hill Drive.
[48:09] I think most of
the parking issues
[48:10] will resolve
themselves Thank you.
[48:14] You so much.
[48:15] Very, very good comments It
seems like you put together
[48:18] a really big strategic
plan But, you know,
[48:21] I do want to say a lot of folks
are asking for that streets
[48:24] sweeping restriction.
[48:26] Yeah we've never had
anything on our streets
[48:29] except believes in for 40 years.
[48:32] I've lived almost 40 years.
[48:33] I've lived here.
[48:34] There's never been trash
until the out of area
[48:37] because people out of
the area, they don't care
[48:39] where they throw it garbage.
[48:40] They open their car
either when they get well
[48:42] actually do it when they leave.
[48:44] They don't eat our junk on to
the street If they're not there,
[48:48] there won't be if we won't have
a street sweeping, probably
[48:50] at least in Sunset Place.
[48:51] I believe Yeah.
[48:52] Stay there.
[48:53] Stay minute.
[48:54] Commissioners, do you have
any questions that you like?
[48:56] I know Mr. Patel, just a quick
question A couple of questions,
[49:00] actually.
[49:01] Do you have the rest of your
HOA board here tonight with you?
[49:04] I only have one, Terry.
[49:05] Okay.
[49:06] Just one touch here.
[49:07] Also, I didn't see
them in the back half.
[49:09] Two of our five.
[49:10] 3 of our five.
[49:11] I'm sorry Gotcha.
[49:12] I'm glad you guys showed
a good showing tonight
[49:16] I have to say, you know, based
on all the comments and all
[49:19] the different discussions
that we've had
[49:21] and continue on from
your neighborhood,
[49:23] it's a little surprising that
the neighborhood has you know,
[49:27] not met that threshold
for the parking
[49:29] permit that flyer
was a big in people.
[49:33] I said that was an
anonymous flyer,
[49:34] even though we know who did it.
[49:36] Yeah.
[49:36] And it doesn't Yeah, Yeah.
[49:38] And other thing was I heard
comments and previous traffic
[49:41] commission meetings that the
problem was on back in hand
[49:44] Street and so the
traffic commission extend
[49:47] did the existing no
parking just to the edge
[49:50] of where Acacia Lane was.
[49:52] There is complaints
about you know,
[49:53] these seedy activities
near the park.
[49:56] So the traffic
commission responded,
[49:58] which none of that none
of that came from people
[50:01] from Acacia knowles.
[50:02] It was the other people
in the surrounding area,
[50:04] Acacia Knowles never
complained except for when
[50:09] Mary Pearl lived there.
[50:10] And so there is noise
behind my house.
[50:12] And as soon as yes, but
if I remember correctly,
[50:15] there was a member
of your HOA board
[50:16] that also complained about, you
know, problem is, at the park.
[50:19] At the park.
[50:20] So i'm finding a little
interesting that, you know,
[50:23] you're coming here tonight
with public comment
[50:25] saying you want to open up
parking back at the park.
[50:27] No, no, not at the park
and across the street.
[50:30] And keep behind
Acacia and Knowles.
[50:33] Leave the park where it is.
[50:35] But you Acacia and also had a no
parking section to the dead end
[50:41] from their driveway
to the dead end
[50:43] Acacia Knowles could park their
own cars behind their own houses
[50:47] Actually, there was an existing
So if you look at that,
[50:50] yeah, there was existing
read was existing right.
[50:52] Only section that
was added really
[50:54] on to their side of the street.
[50:56] So I say remove that
restriction because the lady
[50:59] that wanted it sold her
house immediately and left.
[51:02] So i don't know ification
Knowles himself anyone
[51:04] else indication Knowles wants
that restricted they could use
[51:08] that space for their overflow
Yeah, I think the concern
[51:13] tonight, at least from my
perspective, what I'm hearing
[51:15] from, you know, yourself
and, you know, members
[51:17] of your community that have
yielded their time to you
[51:20] is you don't have the
you know, the votes.
[51:23] If you will, for your
community And now
[51:27] you are trying to insinuate that
other areas of the community we
[51:31] should open up parking
because it would somehow this
[51:35] is like the next solution.
[51:36] And I think quite frankly
speaking, you know,
[51:39] we as a commission
have tried very
[51:41] hard to work with Sanchez sons.
[51:43] So that's to make this happen.
[51:46] And I'm just trying to that
is also on the residents.
[51:49] Yeah, I don't want to complain
and not have a solution anyway,
[51:52] so that's no good.
[51:53] Yeah.
[51:54] And I would love to open
up the entire laguna Hills,
[51:57] drive the parking Yeah.
[51:59] Because I, we we
appreciate that.
[52:03] And I understand
what you're saying,
[52:05] but they you did make one
comment tonight and it was like,
[52:09] give them back to
Buckingham Park
[52:11] parking or adamantly i mean,
right behind their house
[52:15] or John Cross me question.
[52:17] Just give i live in the HOA and
you know we have restrictions
[52:22] and I'm parking and
having a car and a garage
[52:27] with at least one space.
[52:30] So parking things.
[52:31] I know we have not
been we have nothing
[52:36] And you can ask you have no
know for a parking garages that
[52:42] and you know the only ban.
[52:44] We have is nothing You can't
have a car or a vehicle that
[52:47] doesn't fit in their garage.
[52:49] You don't have to
put it in there.
[52:50] But that's the only ban.
[52:51] We have because it's a city
street in acacia Knowles
[52:54] is different I'm sorry,
because they're gated
[52:57] and they own the streets Yeah
Yeah, because i was thinking,
[53:04] you know, if you did sort of
see if keisha knows that you can
[53:09] make sure, you know
there's a chance
[53:13] of finding the 99.9% of
our neighborhood parks
[53:17] in our neighborhood.
[53:18] We don't.
[53:18] The only people who
park outside is someone
[53:20] who has a large vehicle.
[53:22] I think there's only
two of those ones,
[53:25] a commercial It's
got writing at it,
[53:29] and the other one is brand new.
[53:31] He got a big
commuter van, the one
[53:34] fitness driver won't go one into
the garage either but that's it.
[53:39] Well, we.
[53:40] We did go through the process.
[53:42] Yep we did.
[53:43] And we had an extension.
[53:46] Maybe there's no extension
in the election process,
[53:50] but but in the future you
know, six months nine months
[53:55] down the road, if you guys
choose to do that process again
[53:58] maybe it'll be a
different approach.
[54:00] But we went through the process.
[54:02] I and we followed the
guidelines and the community
[54:06] spoke I or came
in that, you know,
[54:10] again like as Char Miller said,
you can definitely you can start
[54:14] tomorrow to get, you know,
signatures once again,
[54:18] once you have your petition
format maybe this time,
[54:21] instead of mail ballots, you
would have to go door to door
[54:24] and educate your fellow
residents as part of your HOA.
[54:27] Use your HOA board meetings,
use your newsletters.
[54:31] Tracy and another knows
another homeowner tried there,
[54:35] but it was hard to reach people.
[54:36] And 818 of our 68 houses are
I I understand that, sir.
[54:41] But here's the thing.
[54:42] Laguna Hills has other HOA
neighborhoods as well, some that
[54:46] have also implemented parking.
[54:47] I know.
[54:48] So I mean, I don't want to
make you know, I know Yeah.
[54:52] Yeah.
[54:52] It's we fell short.
[54:54] You don't win them
all Well, thank you
[54:56] for I thank you
so much Thank you
[54:58] for leading the nation
to consider the north
[55:00] side of the foothills Drive.
[55:02] All right.
[55:02] Thank you.
[55:03] You.
[55:04] Thank you for your
comments Clark.
[55:06] The next public speaker, please.
[55:09] Next speaker is Jim Cooper
followed by Ed Zapico
[55:15] Hello, sir.
[55:16] Welcome Hello.
[55:19] I want to start by
thanking you for giving up
[55:21] your Wednesday evening to
be here for this meeting
[55:24] And thank you, guys.
[55:27] Anyway I live on
keystone 24892, which
[55:31] if you look at customer
curves or the green
[55:35] a camera will hits Costco,
it turns into Wilkes.
[55:37] So that bottom little leg
of the curve that's red
[55:41] is actually Wilkes.
[55:42] That's got it.
[55:43] That's not coastal St
but where the green is,
[55:46] i'm three houses from
the park and no farther
[55:50] than that where we lived.
[55:53] There.
[55:53] 33 years, paid taxes, voted
once we that's been our home.
[55:57] Our kids grew up, went to
went to the local schools,
[56:01] graduated between two
hills high are grandkids
[56:04] are there all the time.
[56:06] And it's actually gotten worse
since you put the no parking
[56:10] at Buckingham Park.
[56:12] And overnight now the cars are
parking in front of our house.
[56:16] But over the years,
I've witnessed
[56:18] drug sales and drug use.
[56:21] I've witnessed after
work the gathering
[56:23] of of people's drinking
beers outside their trucks
[56:27] and the pickup trucks in
the on the side of the park
[56:30] there trash in the
streets urination
[56:34] in the streets and worse
human waste and like I said,
[56:39] I'm only three.
[56:40] So when you look at the numbers,
our little section of gusto
[56:47] it was seven out of 12.
[56:48] Another point I wanted to
bring up is at least four
[56:52] of those homes are at least
are either senior living
[56:56] facilities or rental.
[56:58] And so four out of the 12.
[57:00] And I know for a
fact that the house
[57:02] across the street that
was a rental, the tenants
[57:05] received the notice.
[57:06] The owner didn't
receive the notice
[57:08] So they had these owners have
no say on their property values
[57:11] I'm sure the the businesses
might not want it
[57:16] because permit parking would
require their patients families
[57:20] that come to visit
get permits and it
[57:22] might be a hassle for them, but
it's not fair to the resident
[57:24] who've lived there.
[57:26] It's not fair that
when we moved in,
[57:28] we didn't have this
issue When there used.
[57:33] There's been signs on
Stockport for the longest time
[57:36] when they put them at
the bottom of Wilkes
[57:39] and it's been up to
the top of Wilkes there
[57:41] It's when they put it
at the bottom of Wilkes
[57:43] and partially up
Woolwich Five years ago,
[57:47] that's when it
started getting bad
[57:49] And then just recently,
they moved it.
[57:50] The rest of the way up.
[57:51] We'll watch to
the edge, to snow.
[57:54] And then they know
that they've done.
[57:56] One more.
[57:56] And so it's a it's a
snowball effect that keeps
[57:59] it keeps move in the cars.
[58:03] Now, if you look where Stockport
and perceived Ave Valencia meet
[58:09] that's where the apartment
is for how far these people
[58:11] will travel by parking.
[58:14] So one of the things
the city doesn't do
[58:15] is address the overcrowding
in the apartment
[58:18] There should be there
shouldn't be that many cars.
[58:20] First place.
[58:22] And so you're putting the
burden on the homeowners.
[58:25] But if you took
the five seconds.
[58:28] If you took the seven
out of 12 at 58%
[58:30] and combined us with the
Greens, then we would pass,
[58:34] we would be included.
[58:35] We would still be over
the 67% threshold.
[58:39] But for us not to get it at
three houses down my house
[58:43] and for the houses, three houses
up the other direction to get
[58:45] it is just going to screw me.
[58:47] Even more.
[58:48] Or excuse my language.
[58:49] I'm sorry it's going to you
just stay there a minute.
[58:52] We're going to open
this up Commissioners
[58:54] asking some questions.
[58:56] But I did want to ask staff when
we send the ballots out, do.
[59:00] Do we just send it
to the home address
[59:04] or do we send it to
the owner of the home
[59:10] we send it to the owner
of the home Simple code
[59:14] requires that the ballot
petition be signed
[59:18] by the property owner Bye bye.
[59:21] Bye Municipal council.
[59:22] We sent it to the
property owner and there,
[59:28] as has been mentioned there
are both owner occupied homes
[59:34] and rental homes.
[59:36] People who live on the
street that are owner
[59:39] occupied homes have
the ability to do
[59:43] a due canvassing to get
signatures from property owners.
[59:49] OK We don't know who
the property owners are.
[59:55] They're businesses.
[59:56] And, senior living
homes on OK I want
[1:00:03] to think on that for a minute
Commissioners, do we do.
[1:00:06] We have any questions for our
speaker This is a tough one.
[1:00:10] Yeah.
[1:00:10] Oh yeah.
[1:00:11] If you if you do
what's in green,
[1:00:14] it's just going
to push it, right?
[1:00:15] I mean we're actually closer
than the people on letting
[1:00:19] in the people unhindered
I know exactly where
[1:00:23] that's that i walk around.
[1:00:25] Thank you, sir because I
was a parking operations
[1:00:29] commissioner so I didn't.
[1:00:30] But I You bring up
a very good point.
[1:00:34] That's i don't have a solution.
[1:00:43] I don't either.
[1:00:44] This wasn't a problem
before the city started.
[1:00:47] But I see you know,
messing around before.
[1:00:49] But the rest of Wilkes is you
know, has permitted parking
[1:00:55] And then around the
corner over to Costco.
[1:00:58] I know it's basically
one once street
[1:01:02] and there's a barricade
that separates it.
[1:01:05] But it's on the Wilkes side.
[1:01:06] It's.
[1:01:07] Yeah Mr. Patel.
[1:01:12] Yeah.
[1:01:13] I had a question so sure
recognize that you know you are
[1:01:16] you guys are almost
there on your street
[1:01:18] in particular was your
attempts to at least
[1:01:22] I know that you mentioned
that there's nursing facility
[1:01:25] is non-owner occupied homes
but there were probably
[1:01:29] some owner occupied homes
that maybe weren't reached
[1:01:32] or educated enough Do you
feel like if maybe you were
[1:01:35] to attempt to even try to
reach a petition just costo
[1:01:41] and you know, the next
few months granted,
[1:01:44] you're sandwiched between
the green and the yellow,
[1:01:46] so more homes will feel it.
[1:01:48] Yes.
[1:01:48] You know I feel like maybe
that is probably your solution
[1:01:51] to, you know, hopefully
be able to kind
[1:01:54] of make this more contiguous
and, you know, get action.
[1:01:59] Yes.
[1:02:00] That at least that at least let
us repetition and try to push it
[1:02:04] But like I said, if you
include it with the subdivision
[1:02:09] of Hutton Lutton and Hendon,
when you add our 13 of 25
[1:02:14] into that group, it
brings it up to 74%.
[1:02:17] And we're certainly as
close as they are you know,
[1:02:19] the ones that you're approving.
[1:02:21] Yeah, because one of
the, you know, pitfalls
[1:02:23] of having a mailing system
rather than, you know,
[1:02:27] petitioning yourself
is, when you
[1:02:29] petition yourselves
you have your timeline
[1:02:32] that you can collect.
[1:02:33] Those are our neighbors did tell
me that they got a petition They
[1:02:37] received the position
at their house
[1:02:39] and not doubting that their
mail them to the owners.
[1:02:41] But they said they couldn't sign
it, because they're renters.
[1:02:44] They don't own the property.
[1:02:45] And I said, that's
right You know,
[1:02:46] so I don't know how to get
a hold of their owners,
[1:02:48] but I don't know who
their owners are.
[1:02:50] They just have It's been
a rental house for years
[1:02:53] And then you you know, it's
i have a side yard that's
[1:03:01] like a kind of an RV access
and on there have a lift I
[1:03:04] have a collection of old cars.
[1:03:06] So I work on them.
[1:03:07] Never have had a problem
with someone blocking
[1:03:09] my side or yard access It
doesn't have a curb, you know,
[1:03:13] a curb.
[1:03:13] So I have little rubber ramps
to go up and down my side yard
[1:03:17] and it's got cement to
get behind the gate.
[1:03:19] And when I'm behind the gate,
it's closed and working.
[1:03:22] So I don't want to
be ordinance issues
[1:03:24] But you know, now I've got cars
parking there and i've got trash
[1:03:29] and I've got, you know people,
you know, loud at night parking
[1:03:33] at night because when
the other area fills up,
[1:03:35] it starts coming down
our way And, so they're
[1:03:38] up at 1130 at night laughing
and yelling and making noise
[1:03:41] and, you know,
just it's just such
[1:03:43] a nuisance and 30
something years,
[1:03:45] it's never been
like this No, no.
[1:03:47] I think everyone
on this commission,
[1:03:49] even commissions
past I sympathize.
[1:03:51] We recognize this is a similar
theme that we hear over and over
[1:03:55] with areas that
have over parking,
[1:03:57] you know, streets
are having issues.
[1:03:58] Maybe some you know, unintended
behavior on, I have to say,
[1:04:03] compared to the first time when
residents came regarding these
[1:04:07] streets, I saw a much
larger room full of people
[1:04:10] And so today, to see less, I
don't know if folks maybe knew
[1:04:14] that, you know, had a
sense of what the results
[1:04:17] would be after 5 p.m..
[1:04:19] But I have to say, you know, I
think many of these streets that
[1:04:22] were close you definitely
have a chance of, you know,
[1:04:26] trying this again and
trying to do door to door.
[1:04:28] And more than, you know,
just relying on the mailers,
[1:04:30] talking to the renters to
talk to the owners next time
[1:04:33] they do their rent
checks or whatnot.
[1:04:35] But you know, I think I have
to go back to the comments
[1:04:39] and you know, one of the other
speakers tonight that, you know,
[1:04:43] we shouldn't allow, you know,
to the detriment of them,
[1:04:47] the fact that other
areas didn't, you know,
[1:04:49] unfortunate and get
their signatures.
[1:04:50] And so I hope that makes
my I think it's Yeah
[1:04:54] and it's it's probably like like
the other gentleman said it's
[1:04:59] not hurting them today when
you soon as you do the greens
[1:05:03] it's going to hurt
us more and I'm
[1:05:05] only three short tosses down.
[1:05:06] So I see it now it's hurting now
the houses 12 houses down are
[1:05:11] going to start seeing
it because they're
[1:05:12] going to be willing to walk
that much further or right.
[1:05:15] They right at folding
bikes and scooters
[1:05:17] and all kinds of
stuff in their trunks
[1:05:19] to get down to the apartments.
[1:05:21] But it's, you know,
And then is there
[1:05:23] anything we can do with the
parking at the apartments?
[1:05:25] I mean, is there anything
we can do to stop the limit?
[1:05:28] How many people are
in each apartment
[1:05:30] How many families live in each?
[1:05:32] So the reason why
no go got Go ahead.
[1:05:34] I was just going to say
that that is a hot topic.
[1:05:38] Yeah I mean, I sympathize with
the owner of the apartment
[1:05:41] They want to make money.
[1:05:42] But, you know we're some of the
new developments that we have
[1:05:45] coming into the
city that you know,
[1:05:47] the state will regulate 1.5
park in spot per apartment.
[1:05:52] Yeah.
[1:05:53] And they have.
[1:05:54] And each apartment
has three cars.
[1:05:55] Yeah.
[1:05:56] 3 or 4 adults living there.
[1:05:57] So the state doesn't put
us in a good position
[1:06:02] to to tell developers
or apartments how to,
[1:06:06] how to regulate that.
[1:06:08] So but that is, that
is the hot topic.
[1:06:11] What you're saying right now
is because we consistently
[1:06:15] see that everywhere
in the city where
[1:06:18] we have high density housing.
[1:06:20] Right.
[1:06:20] We this is exactly what we see.
[1:06:22] Yeah.
[1:06:23] Yeah.
[1:06:23] I was going to add that, you
know, part of the reasons why,
[1:06:26] you know in prior commissions
I've tried to explore even next
[1:06:30] month when we have
our on you know,
[1:06:33] town hall sort of setting on the
12th for parking Part of that is
[1:06:37] because I'm personally,
I've always been an advocate
[1:06:40] of if the state is mandating
what parking we can or cannot
[1:06:45] allow for new developments
or any kind of development,
[1:06:49] then it's up to the city and its
residents to make sure that we
[1:06:52] can protect our common
resource, which is the streets
[1:06:55] that all of our taxes maintain.
[1:06:57] And, those streets
are your streets
[1:07:00] And so, you know, regulating
them is your solution.
[1:07:03] I feel compared to, you know,
what is outside of our purview
[1:07:07] when it comes to that 1.5
parking spaces per apartment
[1:07:11] unit into And then
is there any way
[1:07:14] to subdivide the
subdivided I mean,
[1:07:16] I guarantee you the
first seven homes.
[1:07:18] I know for sure the first seven
homes I've tried to cut this
[1:07:23] every way they possibly could.
[1:07:25] Staff can speak to that.
[1:07:26] Like I said, this
closer yard to the park,
[1:07:27] the more it impacts you.
[1:07:29] So the first seven homes were
across the street from me
[1:07:31] and three on my side,
four on my side.
[1:07:34] I know for a fact the
first eight homes.
[1:07:36] I could get 200% because
they've already they're already
[1:07:40] starting to experience it now.
[1:07:41] So they know So if you
the commissioners can look
[1:07:45] at the map in front of them to
see who actually respond bonded
[1:07:50] the homes directly across the
street from Beckenham Park
[1:07:53] is actually Wilks Place
That's the section,
[1:07:56] you live in, correct, sir
Right across the street
[1:07:58] from Beckenham Park.
[1:07:59] I live on.
[1:08:00] See where the curve is on?
[1:08:01] Casto Yes, I live on the inside
of the curve across the street,
[1:08:05] you know, but the
corner of the park
[1:08:07] is where the greenery
meets the red.
[1:08:09] And so I'm three
houses in and I know
[1:08:12] the first house, the second
house and the third house
[1:08:14] all signed for sure.
[1:08:16] The house directly
across the street from me
[1:08:18] here and the owners here.
[1:08:20] And I'm fairly certain the
people on the corner and i'm
[1:08:26] not the one, the one next
to the corners, a rental.
[1:08:29] I'm sorry.
[1:08:29] What What if you're willing
to give your address, can you
[1:08:32] provide your address to
4892 So on first Street,
[1:08:38] as as we've already said,
seven of the 12 homes
[1:08:43] provide and return of
petition in that segment
[1:08:49] And even if you were to add
that to the other segment
[1:08:52] is you have to add up the total
number of homes, total number
[1:08:56] of people who've returned
petitions divided by the number
[1:08:59] of homes in the segment.
[1:09:02] And that doesn't that that.
[1:09:04] So if we if we took the
13 out of 25 and added it
[1:09:09] to the Lutton and
ended, then we would be
[1:09:13] at 4,074% 47 out of Third 63.
[1:09:17] And we're like I said, we're
just as close as they are.
[1:09:23] I had no idea that if they
sent out that many, you know,
[1:09:26] that they had an okay, so
let's take a look at your math
[1:09:28] here for quick second OK That's
sort I am getting 31 out of 50.
[1:10:12] I'm not getting i'm
getting less than 67%.
[1:10:17] I'm adding up the
green ones that are
[1:10:19] shown on the screen over there.
[1:10:22] And then I'm adding the
seven of 12 in the seventh.
[1:10:25] So the numerator and I'm
adding 12 to the denominator
[1:10:28] and I'm not getting 67% was your
numerator So if you actually,
[1:10:36] you know what, I did
my own math wrong.
[1:10:38] You did it wrong.
[1:10:39] Yeah.
[1:10:40] Because it's 41 out of 50.
[1:10:41] OK And you get included.
[1:10:44] So first, you can also.
[1:10:45] Yeah, you could
include Salford if you
[1:10:47] wanted to in Salford Then when I
do that study it would still be.
[1:10:52] And that's 51 out of 70 But
again, we're starting to get
[1:10:57] into disconnected pieces.
[1:10:59] Yours is a connected piece.
[1:11:00] And I would agree that
that would probably
[1:11:03] be if they divided
it by how close
[1:11:05] you are to the park
and the parking
[1:11:07] problem that's been created.
[1:11:09] But like as soon
as you pass ours,
[1:11:13] I understand people are going
to be standing here representing
[1:11:16] their homes and you All right.
[1:11:18] I understand, sir, But this
business of the city council
[1:11:20] for approval and they don't
they have not generally
[1:11:24] approved of discussing the
council approved the lower ones
[1:11:27] And that's what
started this problem.
[1:11:29] I agree And then they
approved the next set.
[1:11:31] And that compounded
the problem Now,
[1:11:33] they approved the no
parking at the park,
[1:11:35] which compounds it even more.
[1:11:37] Right.
[1:11:38] And so we're getting
the brunt of it.
[1:11:40] And like i said, if
you don't take out
[1:11:42] the rentals for owners who
don't care then or give
[1:11:46] us their names and addresses.
[1:11:48] So we can canvas them
then we don't have,
[1:11:52] you know, we're stuck right?
[1:11:54] I guess.
[1:11:55] Yeah.
[1:11:56] It's up to the
commission right, tonight
[1:11:58] to decide whether or
not these are just
[1:12:00] contiguous sections or not.
[1:12:03] The way that I see Salford is
it would the existing yellow
[1:12:07] and by having the at least
the Costco section connected
[1:12:11] to the green and the yellow,
it kind of creates more of a
[1:12:15] you know, district Yeah.
[1:12:17] If it does connect like that.
[1:12:18] Yeah I guess I'd be open
to other commissioners
[1:12:26] whose thoughts you should be.
[1:12:32] Another piece that over here.
[1:12:34] Can you go back
to the slide Sam.
[1:12:36] Yes, please I would
just leg forward please.
[1:12:40] So your adding
Salford into this.
[1:12:45] And then this.
[1:12:46] And then adding that piece.
[1:12:48] Yeah.
[1:12:48] And then all this would be
create All this would be green.
[1:12:52] And then just to turn 72.8.
[1:12:57] Okay.
[1:12:58] Yeah.
[1:12:59] OK.
[1:13:00] So then this would
be kind of like this.
[1:13:03] OK Yes.
[1:13:06] Now, in that Wilks place
the one on the floor.
[1:13:09] I think.
[1:13:09] I think there's at
least one senior living.
[1:13:12] But I don't know about rentals.
[1:13:14] I just know there is
one senior living.
[1:13:17] So it's a business
It's actually three.
[1:13:20] If you're talking
residential homes.
[1:13:22] So there saying by adding
those numbers together,
[1:13:24] we meet the threshold.
[1:13:25] Yes, it looks like so lot
of embarrassment for me.
[1:13:30] But if you add a Wilkes
Place neighborhood 1 to 4,
[1:13:34] if you add pesto between
Camberwell and Woolwich
[1:13:39] each that that
segment only 7 of 12.
[1:13:42] And then you add in Salford St
I want to do my math again here
[1:13:49] and I'm on and I'm
getting 52 over 74.
[1:13:52] So I need to go do the math
one more time on And then
[1:13:56] quick question on cost.
[1:13:58] So st So I know this cul
de sac is also a cost.
[1:14:01] So yeah, that's what's
included in the larger costs
[1:14:04] which is the 13 of the 25.
[1:14:06] So i guess because if the
concern of the city staff
[1:14:09] is Salford St if we
connected all these sections,
[1:14:14] we would still get
over the 67, right?
[1:14:17] I can go through
the math there And
[1:14:23] when I was looking at this
in isolation over here,
[1:14:26] what do you.
[1:14:27] So I'm suggesting that
this is technically
[1:14:29] also costo st right,
apologise for the sign
[1:14:33] Well, you're fine, but.
[1:14:33] Well, it's good that we work.
[1:14:34] I appreciate you.
[1:14:35] Appreciate you words here and
also had quite a few signatures.
[1:14:41] So we could actually
started from here.
[1:14:43] And if the city
staff were concerned
[1:14:44] that this would be disjointed,
this all combined Yes.
[1:14:49] Would actually make
it much harder.
[1:14:51] Slide sound, please OK.
[1:14:53] But the numbers here
to meet the threshold
[1:14:55] when those are added in.
[1:14:58] OK.
[1:14:59] Okay Can you go back to the
St so so this time Okay.
[1:15:08] From this cul de sac, it's 30.
[1:15:12] Oh, yeah.
[1:15:14] So yeah.
[1:15:14] Typo.
[1:15:15] Yeah Sorry, folks.
[1:15:17] Julie So there's a typo
on Salford St ten of 30
[1:15:21] rather than 20 Ten of 31 of 20.
[1:15:27] Yeah.
[1:15:29] She's circled on
a piece of paper
[1:15:31] 20, which was supposed to be
the threshold for getting a 67%.
[1:15:34] And I wrote down
the wrong number.
[1:15:37] Can you double check
and truly the numbers
[1:15:39] what we're doing this so that
bottom number should be at 30.
[1:15:52] Yes, 20.
[1:15:53] That's correct.
[1:15:55] So so that puts us back
under the threshold.
[1:15:59] we can still include
that section and things.
[1:16:02] Okay.
[1:16:02] Yeah.
[1:16:03] Also, if you look at
the geography of it
[1:16:05] after after hindon, if
you go back to the map,
[1:16:10] if you look at your map after
the curve of Costo and ended
[1:16:13] it's going downhill And
so people like walking
[1:16:16] uphill to get to their place.
[1:16:18] But from i guess
it's not that big
[1:16:21] a deal when they need
parking they need parking.
[1:16:24] But right now, you know, they're
not sulfur doesn't see the same.
[1:16:29] My view is, is there any
way to pull up the map
[1:16:31] and actually drawing it straight
to what's that is 30 on Salford?
[1:16:39] It is 30.
[1:16:41] OK.
[1:16:41] Each section and you
know, I'm saying.
[1:16:46] Like for everyone to
have just to make notes.
[1:16:49] Yeah there is 30 down here.
[1:16:55] Having Salford
makes up less 67%.
[1:16:58] OK So combining the
ten of 30 on Salford
[1:17:07] does that, combining
all those areas
[1:17:09] together is that bring us
back under the threshold.
[1:17:13] So if you do as the Speaker
suggest and you add in cost so 7
[1:17:20] of 12 and Wilks, which was one
of four at that point in time,
[1:17:26] you would have I'm sorry
13 my deal was Castro up
[1:17:37] to the hand in Woolwich
each corner intersection
[1:17:41] and yes, back up
to the Camberwell
[1:17:46] and probably then those
three homes were wilks
[1:17:50] are for homes that we said that
got zero response Is that what
[1:17:54] it was anyway that would be
they would get shafted okay
[1:18:00] but it would still be Yeah
so we're still short on that.
[1:18:08] If we only add to
the green areas,
[1:18:10] if we only add from
castello from Hendon,
[1:18:13] Woolwich to where the
seven out of 1213 for Yeah.
[1:18:23] Even if you went through
the whole street 13 or 25,
[1:18:26] it would still pass.
[1:18:27] If you just added it to the
green ones that are approved.
[1:18:30] But I'm, I'm talking
about distance,
[1:18:36] so it's not fair that we
didn't take into account all
[1:18:40] the business is in the senior
nursing homes and in rentals
[1:18:45] and we didn't you don't.
[1:18:46] We have too much
of that affecting
[1:18:49] but then it's just starting now
to get worse because they just
[1:18:54] put up those signs
last months Let's see
[1:18:56] where the math takes us back.
[1:18:58] Thank you for your help.
[1:18:59] I appreciate it So
adding all of Castello in
[1:19:41] would still be above the 67.
[1:19:44] So all of Cristo to
that cul de sac Lutton
[1:19:50] Yeah, I'm not sure
you're referring this
[1:19:54] is like two that are
st This one here.
[1:19:56] Yeah, that's all of that And
then all of Salford, Salford
[1:20:02] is because it's ten of
30, it's to the detriment
[1:20:05] of the okay of the process.
[1:20:07] That's, that's
the problem there.
[1:20:09] OK.
[1:20:10] So the issue is.
[1:20:11] So if you approve all
of that on Castello,
[1:20:15] all the way down to
that cul de sac, now
[1:20:19] sell Salford is wide
open for a for folks
[1:20:24] parking on that street OK well
it is technically bounded by 2.
[1:20:38] Sure Yeah, sure.
[1:20:40] But the issue is.
[1:20:42] So you're removing
all this, you know,
[1:20:45] and pushing and all of this.
[1:20:46] Yeah.
[1:20:47] Yeah.
[1:20:47] And you're pushing the changes.
[1:20:49] Didn't have the numbers OK.
[1:20:52] Yeah, right Okay.
[1:20:56] Okay Thank you, sir.
[1:20:57] Thank you, sir.
[1:20:57] Appreciate your time.
[1:20:58] Thank you so much, everybody.
[1:20:59] And and actually helping
us to dig in a little bit
[1:21:03] deeper here Okay.
[1:21:04] Have a good evening.
[1:21:05] Thank you.
[1:21:05] Appreciate that.
[1:21:06] Thank you Clark.
[1:21:09] Our next speaker, please.
[1:21:11] Next speakers, Ed
SAP, we go, followed
[1:21:15] by Kathy wolosky Good evening,
sir, and good evening, everyone.
[1:21:20] Thank you for being here.
[1:21:21] I know these committees are
out of your normal 8 to 5 jobs.
[1:21:27] And Mr. Miller, thank you for
your initial comments about it
[1:21:30] is a drop in the water
that spreads out?
[1:21:33] Yes Mr. Patel, I think
you've said something
[1:21:35] very important Contact
contiguous to the parking
[1:21:40] is a requirement.
[1:21:42] If you leave Salford out,
you're going to create a pocket
[1:21:45] where you're going
to have a this is
[1:21:47] going to come up very quickly.
[1:21:50] And I would implore Mr.
Aims to I apologize.
[1:21:52] My name's Ed Zapico and
I'm a 38 year residence
[1:21:56] of living with the Hill.
[1:21:57] So I was here before
the city was started.
[1:22:00] I own several homes
in Laguna Hills
[1:22:02] and we've chosen to live here.
[1:22:05] We love the city
My kids go here.
[1:22:07] You know, my
grandkids live here.
[1:22:09] But I would employ
Mr. Aims to recommend
[1:22:12] to you guys to include salford.
[1:22:14] Even though I
don't live there, I
[1:22:15] live on the corner of
Camberwell in the Hamden for 95,
[1:22:21] so to drive I've been
there since 2000.
[1:22:24] OK And my next door
neighbor just sold.
[1:22:26] It is going to sell
his house because
[1:22:28] of the parking situation.
[1:22:29] Two doors down, my
neighbor is going
[1:22:31] to start selling this house.
[1:22:33] These are neighbors
I've had for 25 years.
[1:22:36] It does affect the
quality of life.
[1:22:38] And I I want to be empathetic
to the whole situation.
[1:22:41] But I'm not to be
honest with you.
[1:22:43] Sure I think there is a
bigger element of problem
[1:22:47] that the city has because
of the state mandates
[1:22:49] that are coming your way.
[1:22:51] But, Mr. Patel,
you've said it right
[1:22:53] And we have to protect our
own streets for right now.
[1:22:56] I mean, I think the
sequel commission should
[1:22:58] go through the talks
about air quality
[1:23:00] that protects the individual
cities Those are things that I
[1:23:03] think you should look at it
from a technical standpoint
[1:23:06] And I know the council people
will be looking at numbers
[1:23:09] and numbers only 6 to 7%.
[1:23:11] We're only a 6 to 6%, but
you as the commissioners
[1:23:14] have the right to recommend
anything you want.
[1:23:18] And it's just a matter of
arguing that out or making
[1:23:21] the council people
understand that as
[1:23:25] to the benefit of the
community, at least this part
[1:23:27] of the community, to have
a contiguous non parking
[1:23:31] no parking know
except for residents.
[1:23:33] And we're just imploring
that you guys look at it
[1:23:35] as a contiguous
process, not just
[1:23:37] pockets of 67%, percent of 40%.
[1:23:41] And then unfortunately the
numbers that brought you down
[1:23:43] are that it's the
HOA that's bringing
[1:23:47] you guys down overall from the
numbers I'm seeing up here.
[1:23:52] So, again, I'm just here
to emphasize that I support
[1:23:56] the parking requirements
for the properties Everybody
[1:24:01] said, what I wanted
to say earlier.
[1:24:02] You know you can't clean
the streets when the parks
[1:24:05] are there for all the time.
[1:24:07] I live across the street from
the park and I want a 100%.
[1:24:10] I mean, we were up there talking
about all last two months
[1:24:13] about this or whatever.
[1:24:15] It's been so so we would like
to have the city implement
[1:24:19] this as quickly as possible
And the next question
[1:24:24] is, what is the next process?
[1:24:26] Because going to happen again.
[1:24:27] Right.
[1:24:28] So again, thank you
Thank you for being here.
[1:24:31] And it just we as
the commission,
[1:24:35] we love hearing from the
community, especially folks
[1:24:38] like yourself, that have been
in the community for so long.
[1:24:41] You've seen all the
changes Commissioners,
[1:24:44] do you have any comments or
questions for our speaker
[1:24:46] tonight I think we're
grinding it through still.
[1:24:50] Yeah And we do appreciate
your time And you know,
[1:24:53] I mean, I guess
content contiguous
[1:24:56] This is a very
important process for us
[1:24:58] because even such a small street
like self that doesn't get
[1:25:02] the parking permits
it's going to impact
[1:25:06] the entire neighborhood.
[1:25:08] It's the unintended consequence.
[1:25:10] And we were we've been dealing
as a commission we've been
[1:25:14] dealing with this in in the
city And, you know, I mean,
[1:25:19] there are folks that will maybe
they live at Alisha Village
[1:25:23] and they'll park a mile away
and keep an e-bike in the back
[1:25:27] of their car and drive their
e-bike back to Alisha Village
[1:25:30] after they park in
front of your house.
[1:25:32] I mean all the stories
we hear it all,
[1:25:36] but we empathize with it.
[1:25:38] I mean thank you so much for
being here tonight, Mr. Patel.
[1:25:41] You have some questions?
[1:25:43] I recognize that you are
asking the commission
[1:25:46] to recommend something to the
City Council that would not
[1:25:51] necessarily fall in line with
the technical ordinance for that
[1:25:56] 67%.
[1:25:58] So i just to give you some
background on the reason why
[1:26:01] there's always a lot of
residents that are not
[1:26:03] happy with this commission
when it comes to stop signs
[1:26:07] and, you know, parking permit
programs is because, you know,
[1:26:09] this commission is actually
responsible for making sure
[1:26:12] that, you know, the
city's ordinances are
[1:26:14] used appropriately
when we're making
[1:26:16] recommendations it's true.
[1:26:18] We can make whatever
recommendation
[1:26:19] we want to the council.
[1:26:21] But i think it's kind of
a false promise in a way,
[1:26:24] because if it's not
us saying no to you,
[1:26:26] then it will go all the
way to the city council.
[1:26:28] And they will say no to
you because legal counsel
[1:26:31] is trying to protect the
city's resources and assets.
[1:26:33] Right.
[1:26:34] Nobody in this community wants
de-funded parks or police
[1:26:37] services because we lost a
massive lawsuit because somebody
[1:26:41] sued about a stop sign that
shouldn't have existed there
[1:26:44] or, you know, a parking
permit program that you know,
[1:26:47] didn't meet the threshold
of the city's ordinances.
[1:26:49] So you know, we're
trying to balance that.
[1:26:54] if it's just numbers, then
there's ways to look that number
[1:26:57] in a way that
maximizes the well,
[1:26:59] you know, I think
staff again, receiving
[1:27:04] all the ballots by 5:00 today.
[1:27:06] They worked really
hard to figure
[1:27:08] out where those numbers could
go, trying to figure that.
[1:27:12] I see that here and,
you know, that's
[1:27:17] why we're diving
deep into it right
[1:27:19] now during the meeting is this.
[1:27:21] How can we make
these numbers work?
[1:27:23] But as vice Chair Patel states,
we cannot legally recommend
[1:27:29] to the city council somebody
that's going to violate
[1:27:31] something that's going to
violate an ordinance or a policy
[1:27:37] because the city council then
legally has to say yes to that,
[1:27:41] which jeopardizes the city.
[1:27:45] So we understand it's
more than just numbers.
[1:27:48] It's quality of
life It and there
[1:27:52] are unintended consequences
because of this.
[1:27:56] So all that being said, we're
doing our best right now
[1:28:00] to figure out how we
can make these numbers
[1:28:03] work Well, thank you very much.
[1:28:05] Thank you for your attention.
[1:28:06] You.
[1:28:06] Thank you.
[1:28:07] Thank you.
[1:28:07] Thank you.
[1:28:08] Thank you.
[1:28:08] Thank you Clark, if we could
take our next public speaker,
[1:28:14] the last speakers.
[1:28:15] Cathy Wilkie.
[1:28:16] Cathy welcome.
[1:28:19] Good evening I've been a member
of this town for 28 years.
[1:28:27] My husband and I moved
here from the East Coast
[1:28:32] and I live on the corner of
a bellboy and Collier Carmel
[1:28:37] and I thought the worst thing
that I was going to have
[1:28:39] to deal with through
the years was
[1:28:41] just dog poop on my property.
[1:28:43] But I've dealt with
the sheriff's, been
[1:28:45] in my neighborhood quite a
bit because there is a drug
[1:28:49] house all across the
street on Villa Balboa
[1:28:52] and I would come
out in the morning
[1:28:54] and there would be
a bunch of sheriffs
[1:28:56] there with a lot of weaponry.
[1:28:58] That's frightening
when your husband
[1:28:59] is traveling all the time on
the side of my house is clear.
[1:29:03] Carmel and i've dealt
with people driving up
[1:29:09] in huge RV's and parking them.
[1:29:13] And then living there for quite
some time, leaving their trash.
[1:29:18] I won't even mention
the other things.
[1:29:20] Drug things and even now there
is a lot of parking there
[1:29:26] And what happens is the
street is never swept
[1:29:30] and i've got health
issues and my hedge
[1:29:33] against me trying to
keep that side, clean.
[1:29:37] The reason i try and
have that swept up
[1:29:40] as much as possible is because
of in the back cul de sac there.
[1:29:46] We just have terrible
floods back there because
[1:29:48] of the sewer that's there.
[1:29:51] The water, we would you
clogged up with everything
[1:29:55] So the neighborhood is finally
better with a drug house
[1:30:00] being sold and it's quieter.
[1:30:04] It's nicer, but i do see a
lot of other cars coming in
[1:30:08] and parking that
don't belong there.
[1:30:10] And it really concerns me
And especially not not being
[1:30:17] able to keep the area clean.
[1:30:19] And I feel sorry for the
people who live in the back
[1:30:21] of that cul de sac area.
[1:30:22] Not only do they have to contend
with people coming over the wall
[1:30:26] from the park area but they
also have to deal with flooding
[1:30:29] it from time to time.
[1:30:32] And I really think
it's hit the horses
[1:30:36] committee I know you've been
working on this probably
[1:30:39] for a long time.
[1:30:40] There's lots of
problems in this town.
[1:30:42] But we really need to come up
with something where they can be
[1:30:46] notified of where they can
park and where it's allowable
[1:30:50] because it's just pushing
it into the neighborhoods
[1:30:53] and I am not going to
be putting up with that.
[1:30:57] What I put up with
before with the drugs
[1:30:59] and the police over
there all the time.
[1:31:02] It just is not fair to us.
[1:31:05] Well, first of all I'm sorry
that you had to live through
[1:31:11] that here in our city No,
no resident should hitch
[1:31:14] should have to go through that.
[1:31:17] The challenges that
you're talking about we
[1:31:21] hear about those all the time.
[1:31:22] And we want to hear about
them because the quality
[1:31:25] of life here in the city is
like the most important thing.
[1:31:29] Quality of life and safety.
[1:31:31] Yes.
[1:31:31] Yes, absolutely.
[1:31:34] Commissioners any
comments or questions
[1:31:37] I have one Speaker Mr. Patel.
[1:31:39] Yeah.
[1:31:40] I mean I don't know whether you
specified you live on Carmel
[1:31:44] or Via Balboa but if we look at,
you know, what's on the screen
[1:31:49] right now, it
looks like you guys
[1:31:51] are very close to, you know,
being able to implement
[1:31:55] something tonight.
[1:31:56] Even if it technically
was going to be,
[1:31:58] you know, it's like because if
you look at the style of homes,
[1:32:01] they're almost different
than, you know, the homes that
[1:32:04] are like closer towards Alicia.
[1:32:07] I don't know if it's like a
slightly different development
[1:32:10] game or whatnot, bye.
[1:32:12] I honestly think it's, you know,
a matter of a couple of homes
[1:32:15] on Carmel and Balboa that
just need the education
[1:32:19] and, you know, well, I don't
think one month time frame was
[1:32:23] enough time because
people were on vacation
[1:32:25] when people were
working And it's
[1:32:28] hard to get to speak to them.
[1:32:30] Yeah.
[1:32:31] So it was kind of
a give and take I
[1:32:35] know that personally, when
I went in my neighborhood,
[1:32:37] you know we didn't
have the opportunity
[1:32:38] to do like a mail in ballot,
like members of the HOA board,
[1:32:42] including myself, had
to go door to door,
[1:32:44] educate people, create
flyers and use their own HOA
[1:32:48] like email system on to
try to educate people
[1:32:52] On why it was important.
[1:32:54] And so, you know, I
would say that, you know,
[1:32:57] if you feel like that that
approach with the mail in ballot
[1:33:00] wasn't as useful,
you know, you do
[1:33:03] have quite a large
number of residents
[1:33:05] that did sign the petition.
[1:33:07] So I think taking a
different approach
[1:33:10] if you have other
residents, neighbors
[1:33:12] that are really interested,
you can get those numbers up.
[1:33:15] And we're not talking
like over a dozen.
[1:33:17] We're talking
about just a couple
[1:33:18] of houses is really,
well, how do we
[1:33:21] do that if the voting is over?
[1:33:24] No, no, you're not
committed And city staff
[1:33:27] can clear me up here like you're
not committed to having to only
[1:33:31] do a one month, you know,
mailing ballot system where
[1:33:34] there's like a due
date You yourselves
[1:33:37] can actually start the
petition, gather your signatures
[1:33:40] and bring them to city hall.
[1:33:42] So that staff can.
[1:33:45] That's not correct.
[1:33:46] Is that correct You know that
the petition is something
[1:33:49] that the city staff generates
by way of the municipal code,
[1:33:52] but is the actual time
piece only like a month
[1:33:56] what we set out for fairness?
[1:33:58] We set out a time period
We were under the residents
[1:34:02] wanted quick action on this.
[1:34:04] So we set it to
be a month period.
[1:34:08] If there is a direction.
[1:34:10] And we were under the impression
that this was an urgent matter
[1:34:13] from the residents.
[1:34:15] So we typically have provided a
30 day period, sometimes longer.
[1:34:21] But part of the reason
why it was done was
[1:34:24] do the results tonight, the
next traffic Commission meeting
[1:34:28] is in September.
[1:34:30] And so that was part of the
reason why 5:00 tonight,
[1:34:35] in order to do that, we kept
it until the very last hour
[1:34:40] If there is desire from the
traffic commission to allow
[1:34:43] for a petition
process in the past
[1:34:46] and told that usually
a six month period
[1:34:49] goes by before you do that.
[1:34:51] So we're not revisiting the same
issue over and over again as we
[1:34:56] do with some of our other
items But we had four a matter
[1:35:00] of fairness We had a deadline
tonight at 5:00 to that
[1:35:05] in, though, as we've
already discovered tonight,
[1:35:08] there are different permutations
and combination of the way that
[1:35:11] this can be put together
such that the percentage
[1:35:14] is closer to 67%.
[1:35:17] Our assistant
engineer has come up
[1:35:19] with yet another interesting
twist in all this
[1:35:22] that doesn't get us to
67% to includes salford
[1:35:25] but gets us to 63.
[1:35:27] Sacrifice part of
Castello so eventually
[1:35:31] part of your discussions tonight
when we get an opportunity
[1:35:34] to represent
information, you will
[1:35:36] be deciding what you would like
to recommend to City Council.
[1:35:40] And we do recognize the
carmel as nine of 14.
[1:35:43] At 64%, we also
received a letter
[1:35:46] from a resident of Avalon
that has no interest
[1:35:48] in this program whatsoever.
[1:35:50] So i just would say that we'll
do our advice as best we can.
[1:35:57] And ultimately, the
Traffic commission
[1:35:58] to decide what they want to
recommend to city council.
[1:36:02] OK.
[1:36:02] Thank thank you so
much for your comments.
[1:36:05] Thank you.
[1:36:06] I think that concludes
our public comments.
[1:36:08] Thank you.
[1:36:09] OK.
[1:36:10] So we're going to bring
this back to the commission
[1:36:15] for discussion based on what we
talked about tonight which staff
[1:36:22] like to reframe what we're
with the potential of adding
[1:36:26] those areas into
the recommendation.
[1:36:28] Yes.
[1:36:29] So what I will what.
[1:36:30] I'll give you some options here.
[1:36:31] And we might need
to pull up a map
[1:36:38] And I really want to thank
the resident who came up here
[1:36:39] earlier to point
out that I didn't
[1:36:42] consider apparently all of the
permutations and combinations.
[1:36:44] So thank you very much.
[1:36:46] So if you want, you there's a
few different scenarios here.
[1:36:50] And I'll explain
this So the part
[1:36:53] across from backroom park that's
shown in Orange is actually
[1:36:57] called Wilkes Place So if
you add it in Wilkes Place
[1:37:03] and you added an all of custom
Now when you say all of Castro,
[1:37:08] is that all the way that's
closer to cul de sac
[1:37:13] okay to call the section.
[1:37:15] My understanding.
[1:37:16] OK.
[1:37:16] Actually yes So
that takes you all
[1:37:19] the way down to Alicia Parkway.
[1:37:21] And if you add in Castro and
you add in Wilkes to the green,
[1:37:28] then you're at 71%.
[1:37:34] OK Another option, which
is a strange option, as is.
[1:37:44] If you don't go all the way
down to Alicia Parkway on Castro
[1:37:48] and you stop at
salford, I believe,
[1:37:52] and then you add
in South for you're
[1:37:55] at 63% It's my understanding
why wrexham at 63%, why
[1:38:04] would that be an option It's not
technically it's less than 67%.
[1:38:09] I'm just giving us
some percentage.
[1:38:11] Okay.
[1:38:11] OK.
[1:38:12] That's good.
[1:38:12] 71% in or over the threshold
for including all of Castro,
[1:38:15] but excluding Salford, if you
include if you just go to Castro
[1:38:20] down the Salford and
you make that elbow
[1:38:21] and you go around the corner
to Salford 63.75%, 64% Okay.
[1:38:31] So pendens st still
though, between Chi Carmen
[1:38:37] and Camberwell has a
low return rate on that.
[1:38:41] And so does Vale Balboa.
[1:38:43] That was one of six for
Chi Cromwell's nine of 14.
[1:38:50] So essentially.
[1:38:52] And then Hendon Street but
swinging from the elbow
[1:38:56] down to Castro also
had a low return right?
[1:38:59] So you're leaving something out?
[1:39:02] I no matter what you do
have the opportunity Add
[1:39:04] something in if you wanted to.
[1:39:06] Right So in either case, we're
creating these little islands
[1:39:16] where we're not going to be
placing the permit program
[1:39:24] especially Hinden, Salford,
if we don't add that
[1:39:30] in because it's 4% below
where we need to be Well,
[1:39:37] I think you know, the first
step is I think amongst
[1:39:40] the commissioners,
are we in agreement
[1:39:42] that we are
establishing a parking
[1:39:44] permit of some kind tonight ?
[1:39:46] Yes.
[1:39:47] Yes.
[1:39:47] Oh, yes.
[1:39:48] Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
[1:39:49] We're I'm just.
[1:39:51] How do we join more
contiguous pieces,
[1:39:54] I think, to what
we're doing That's
[1:39:56] going to be a matter
of professional slash,
[1:39:59] you know commissioner judgment
I would like to say I would like
[1:40:04] for sure to hear it from Wilks
around the corner, Christo
[1:40:10] to walk is an
absolute in their i
[1:40:19] would even take
it a step further
[1:40:21] and say all the
costs of that way.
[1:40:23] It's just no confusion of
the street itself right.
[1:40:26] Yeah So the entire piece
all the way down on Christo.
[1:40:31] Sure i know it's a
commissioners time.
[1:40:32] I apologize.
[1:40:33] I'm sorry, sir Is
there separation
[1:40:36] between the small
attended and the launch.
[1:40:37] And then we percentage
is to pendens
[1:40:40] on that map that are in red.
[1:40:44] Is there a difference between
the two in terms of percentages
[1:40:49] We're taking a look at
the numbers right now.
[1:40:51] So respectfully, your 80%
is already got through.
[1:40:58] No, no, no.
[1:41:00] This is this is a very
specific election.
[1:41:03] And it has to go based on
the number of residents
[1:41:07] within this election.
[1:41:09] So, folks, we're not opening
this up to a question
[1:41:13] and comment situation
right now So right now,
[1:41:16] let us work the numbers
that we have right now.
[1:41:19] Just just give us a projection,
because you don't count the.
[1:41:23] No I will say this.
[1:41:29] A no vote is considered
a non returned ballot
[1:41:34] and that is can
sit on the ballot
[1:41:37] If you don't return the ballot.
[1:41:39] That is considered
a no vote to two.
[1:41:42] One is very I'll go
if impossible or pass.
[1:41:50] No no.
[1:41:50] We have many neighborhoods
that have passed this threshold
[1:41:57] To answer your question even
if you looked at it, both hand
[1:42:01] in streets in separate pieces,
it's less than like 37%.
[1:42:07] I want to say for
either piece Okay.
[1:42:14] So commissioners let's establish
what we're doing tonight.
[1:42:19] Obviously, we're
establishing the green area.
[1:42:23] Yeah.
[1:42:23] Okay.
[1:42:25] We're establishing Wilks as
it comes around the corner
[1:42:28] to Castro and Castro all the way
to the end to Alicia, to Lisa.
[1:42:35] OK, So, so we're there in that.
[1:42:38] OK, So, so that's to,
to be clear to staff.
[1:42:42] That's what we're, that's what
we're established at this point
[1:42:47] to the green area
plus Wilks, Christo,
[1:42:50] all the way down to Alicia.
[1:42:51] Right.
[1:42:52] So now the question
is, at that point sell
[1:42:57] for it is still not an option
because we're for low ten
[1:43:01] out of 30, ten out of 30.
[1:43:04] And when you add in ten out
of 30, you wind up at 59%.
[1:43:08] OK So and there's nothing
written in the policy
[1:43:13] for if there's unintended
consequences, it's worth 4%.
[1:43:19] You know, it's worth 5%.
[1:43:21] That that's that's not in
the policy So essentially
[1:43:30] and hand in the numbers don't
match up there Kamal very close.
[1:43:38] But it's it's not there.
[1:43:42] So the the only recommendation
that I can see that we can make.
[1:43:45] And I want to hear
from the commissioners
[1:43:47] on this is what we've just
stated within the guidelines
[1:43:52] that we have it's 71%.
[1:43:54] It's good.
[1:43:55] And it's contiguous in the kind
of as much as I'd like to do.
[1:44:01] Carmel it's not contiguous
Salford can out of 30 i
[1:44:10] do worry about it in the future.
[1:44:13] But it's not even close right?
[1:44:15] So i would say yeah, there still
will And the green okay yeah
[1:44:26] make a motion.
[1:44:27] I would second that.
[1:44:28] Okay So we have a
motion and a second
[1:44:31] based and state
your motion 100%.
[1:44:34] The green a motion to
approve permit parking,
[1:44:42] I reckon to recommend
permit parking recommend.
[1:44:45] Yeah From Wilks to this
is not currently permitted
[1:44:53] through Keystone
to eastern Parkway
[1:44:58] and then Camberwell from
Cousteau to and then
[1:45:03] and then engine green
green and into the knuckle.
[1:45:10] Yeah right.
[1:45:12] And Two rooms St okay so we
have a motion and a second
[1:45:18] and a second for that.
[1:45:20] And when we take
this vote, folks
[1:45:22] I want you to
understand this is going
[1:45:26] to be presented to
the City Council
[1:45:29] for approval We make
a recommendation
[1:45:32] and based on the
policies and guidelines
[1:45:35] that the city prescribes to.
[1:45:37] So all that being said, I'll
be asking the clerk for a vote
[1:45:42] on this motion May I?
[1:45:45] I'm way overstepping
here Oh, go ahead.
[1:45:48] Can you also direct it or
request the city staff come up
[1:45:50] with a comprehensive table
of the different permutations
[1:45:56] and combinations to
present to city council?
[1:46:00] OK.
[1:46:00] So.
[1:46:01] So please Mr. Jones, could
you add that to your motion?
[1:46:04] We'll do the best
we can with that.
[1:46:06] So that we can demonstrate
the thought process.
[1:46:09] Someone through this is
combinations Sam is going
[1:46:12] to help me with that, right?
[1:46:13] So okay, so, so we have,
in addition to that motion
[1:46:17] I was like, okay, we
have a second to that.
[1:46:20] So Madam clerk, if you
could take the vote on that.
[1:46:24] Commissioner jones
I Vice Chair Patel.
[1:46:29] I Chair Miller I motion
passes unanimously.
[1:46:35] So folks that's going to go
now once staff puts together
[1:46:39] that package and you'll see
it on the city council agenda
[1:46:43] when this comes before them,
that's going to go before them
[1:46:47] with what we've
reckon mended tonight,
[1:46:50] including the table of
all the different numbers
[1:46:54] that staff is going
to present You know,
[1:46:58] we do have in deep on this
and we crunched the numbers
[1:47:02] were folks we're on your side.
[1:47:05] We're here to help you know,
when the numbers came in today.
[1:47:11] You know I wish they would
have been different You know,
[1:47:14] I wish the ballots would
have come in different.
[1:47:16] But this is what we have now
But it is a good starting point
[1:47:20] to figure out where do we go
from here So, again, thank you.
[1:47:26] Thank you so much for
the comments and all the
[1:47:28] communication with us tonight.
[1:47:29] We really appreciate that you're
here speaking to us Thank you.
[1:47:34] Thanks, everyone Thank you OK.
[1:47:41] That moves us to
agenda item 4.2.
[1:47:47] It's the discussion of the
citywide related traffic
[1:47:50] concerns and residential street
traffic management policy.
[1:47:54] This was like a
review of policy.
[1:47:57] 350 and I wanted to just pose
the idea to the commissioners
[1:48:04] to see if they would
support this idea
[1:48:08] And Commissioner Caputo
could not be here tonight
[1:48:11] And he's done extensive
work on trying to develop
[1:48:15] some really good process
is for us to incorporate
[1:48:19] it into this policy.
[1:48:21] So i'm recommending
and it's opening
[1:48:26] up discussion that we table.
[1:48:28] This item and bring it back
to our September meeting
[1:48:32] when we can have
Commissioner Caputo with us,
[1:48:34] when we can bring
that full package
[1:48:36] together to review that policy.
[1:48:40] Yeah, I think that's fair Yeah.
[1:48:45] No I agree.
[1:48:48] Okay.
[1:48:50] So i think I I think it's nice
when there's at least four.
[1:48:54] Yeah.
[1:48:54] Yeah.
[1:48:55] Okay.
[1:48:55] So I think I see
agreement to table.
[1:49:00] This item for the September
for the September meeting
[1:49:07] and so I don't know if we
need to take a vote on that.
[1:49:11] So if you wanted on that
we're not get the next.
[1:49:16] That's for someone.
[1:49:17] September, September September.
[1:49:20] Yeah.
[1:49:20] Yeah.
[1:49:21] I just wanted to bring it
back because like I said,
[1:49:24] Commissioner Caputo had put
a lot of work into this.
[1:49:27] So do we need to take a
vote on tabling this item ?
[1:49:32] OK.
[1:49:32] Like the table.
[1:49:33] OK.
[1:49:34] So all those in favor of
tabling agenda item 4.2
[1:49:37] say all those
opposed the motion.
[1:49:40] You're going to defer.
[1:49:41] So the next, we
are deferring it.
[1:49:42] Yes.
[1:49:43] Thank you so much.
[1:49:44] And I'll say thank you.
[1:49:45] Since I was here, like
Boston night for the village.
[1:49:48] Yeah 6.5 hour meeting.
[1:49:50] Yes yes, yes, yes.
[1:49:54] I'm i some of us, Bill.
[1:49:56] Well, I'm always
aware of the fact
[1:49:58] that you have a
late council meeting
[1:50:00] and then staff still have to
come to work in the morning, so.
[1:50:03] Okay.
[1:50:04] All right then.
[1:50:05] Moves us to item number five.
[1:50:06] And we move to our sheriff's
department, our chief
[1:50:10] for a report Good evening,
Chairman Miller and members
[1:50:14] of the traffic commission.
[1:50:16] Just want to give you a
couple of little tidbits
[1:50:19] In addition to enforcement.
[1:50:21] We really believe in ongoing
education with the community,
[1:50:25] and we do that through our
social media through our events
[1:50:29] and through a newsletter and
speaking of that newsletter,
[1:50:33] it looks like this you might
have gotten digital copy,
[1:50:36] but I put one on your desks and
it covers all sorts of things,
[1:50:41] and I just want to
let you know it covers
[1:50:42] some traffic issues as well.
[1:50:45] Traffic, education and
also importantly bike
[1:50:48] education, which is a big
concern of the community.
[1:50:52] Of course I want to
let you know also
[1:50:57] we have National
Night Out next week.
[1:50:59] Thursday at National Night Out,
we're going to have a traffic
[1:51:02] booth where will be given out.
[1:51:05] Again, more education on
through our pamphlets and things
[1:51:08] like that We'll have a motor.
[1:51:09] And one of our CSOs
manning that booth
[1:51:12] and they'll be talking about
traffic safety e-bikes safety,
[1:51:17] and actually council gave
us some money to give
[1:51:20] out helmets Councils idea.
[1:51:24] And so we partnered with
a local bicycle shop
[1:51:28] who we purchased helmets
through and we should
[1:51:31] be given up to close to 50.
[1:51:34] We'll have 50
helmets to give away.
[1:51:35] And we're hoping to give a lot
of those away at National Night
[1:51:38] out to the kids and
things like that.
[1:51:40] I think that'll be good.
[1:51:41] And I think that's a good
a good gift from the city
[1:51:44] to the community We're happy
about some of the parking
[1:51:52] changes that the
that the city is
[1:51:54] doing, especially particularly
on Laguna Hills Drive.
[1:51:57] I think that's going to
help relieve some things
[1:52:00] And I just want to
emphasize again,
[1:52:02] we're here to
partner with the city
[1:52:04] and to partner
with the community
[1:52:06] We can't keep this
community, this city
[1:52:08] safe just by ourselves.
[1:52:10] We work together
with the community
[1:52:13] so we rely on them
for information.
[1:52:15] We rely on them for
calls for service.
[1:52:19] So we encourage folks out
there who have a concerns
[1:52:23] about parking or crime
issues to call us
[1:52:26] and as I've said
before, when folks just
[1:52:28] take to social media
or something like that,
[1:52:31] we don't hear about it.
[1:52:32] We don't monitor social
media and respond to events
[1:52:35] throughout the city that way.
[1:52:36] We need them to call
the sheriff's department
[1:52:38] to call dispatch
and we appreciate
[1:52:40] it when they do I also want to
say we had just a highlight.
[1:52:43] We had an event First
our motors and our CSO
[1:52:49] is continued to do a good job.
[1:52:50] Our motors are out there citing
people for traffic violations
[1:52:53] and our CSO is are
out there giving
[1:52:55] citations hundreds of citations
for parking every month.
[1:53:00] And most of those are complaint
driven and many of those
[1:53:05] are our officers being
proactive, right?
[1:53:08] So for traffic file
ations, we get complaints.
[1:53:12] Hey, the stop sign and we go,
you know, people are running it.
[1:53:15] So we go out there
and enforce it.
[1:53:16] And we get a lot of we get
a lot of thanks for that.
[1:53:19] And of course, we
get some complaints
[1:53:20] like, hey, you're doing too
much enforcement in this area.
[1:53:23] So we balance that.
[1:53:24] And that's and that's part
of that's part of the job.
[1:53:27] We had a motor the first motor,
his name was Steve parsons,
[1:53:33] first Laguna Hills motor was
his name was Steve Parsons.
[1:53:37] He was assigned to this city in
in the late in the late 1990s.
[1:53:45] And he was on a traffic stop or
going through an intersection,
[1:53:49] actually, Laguna Hills and
moulton on June 24th 2000,
[1:53:55] and was struck by a vehicle
killed in the line of duty.
[1:53:59] And so every year, like we did
on June 24th, just last month,
[1:54:03] we do it like a memorial right?
[1:54:04] And we ride the route that he
rode from Laguna Hills City Hall
[1:54:09] up and then over
Laguna Hills Drive.
[1:54:12] And then we stop and park
at Moulton and Laguna Hills
[1:54:17] Drive We say a few words.
[1:54:19] We have a moment of silence And
we do 25 highly motivated push
[1:54:24] ups and honor of him and his
family and the men and women
[1:54:29] of the Orange County
Sheriff's Department
[1:54:31] who he left behind So
that was a great event.
[1:54:34] We do that every year.
[1:54:35] Just want to let you know that
we do that in honor of him
[1:54:37] and that's it.
[1:54:39] I'm here for any questions.
[1:54:40] Thank you.
[1:54:41] Thank you so much for that
report Well, it's wonderful
[1:54:45] that you honor this
officer, This way and that,
[1:54:49] you know, you don't let
that that memory go away.
[1:54:52] It's it's a
wonderful thing Yeah.
[1:54:57] We're going to open this
up to the commissioners,
[1:55:00] or for questions for the chief.
[1:55:02] Just a good time.
[1:55:02] Yes.
[1:55:03] Yes.
[1:55:03] So do we have we
have three here.
[1:55:06] So positions Mr. Patel,
just a quick question.
[1:55:11] So in addition to our CSOs, I
saw about the little section
[1:55:16] about the cameras.
[1:55:17] So are you recommending
like, who is maybe reach out
[1:55:20] with like their own locations?
[1:55:23] Are you talking about
in the newsletter?
[1:55:24] Yeah, like our
emergency manager.
[1:55:27] Yeah.
[1:55:28] So if you have if you have
cameras on your business
[1:55:31] or even on your home, you can
partner with the sheriff's
[1:55:34] department who won't be who
won't be Snoop snooping in
[1:55:37] on your business, but
if a crime occurs,
[1:55:41] your camera is registered
with our real time
[1:55:43] operation and center,
and they will know that.
[1:55:46] And they will contact you
and ask you, hey, an incident
[1:55:50] occurred at this date and time,
and we believe your camera may
[1:55:53] have caught something
They may we may
[1:55:57] we utilize that that footage.
[1:55:58] So it's a it's a
permission thing Yeah.
[1:56:01] So it's a good.
[1:56:02] It's a good program.
[1:56:04] And then i heard that
there might have been
[1:56:06] like some public comments
about the flock safety cameras
[1:56:10] that we have in our community.
[1:56:13] Would you mind
speaking to, you know,
[1:56:15] the effectiveness of those
cameras in our community?
[1:56:17] And.
[1:56:18] Sure, yeah.
[1:56:19] We you know, there are
concerns about cameras,
[1:56:21] right There's
concerns that they're
[1:56:23] an infringement on people's
rights and things like that.
[1:56:26] A young lady spoke last night at
the council meeting expressing
[1:56:33] her concerns and some
of her friend's concerns
[1:56:37] What I will say is that the
flock cameras the speakers
[1:56:41] and other cameras
of the city uses
[1:56:44] and that we they share with
the Orange County sheriff's
[1:56:46] department have been such a
help And in fact, I don't know
[1:56:52] if I've shared this
with you in the past
[1:56:53] but there was there was one
incident in South Laguna
[1:56:58] Hills a very violent incident.
[1:57:01] We got there and we had
very violent incident.
[1:57:03] I will say I won't be
specific as to what it was,
[1:57:06] but you might know
what I'm talking about.
[1:57:09] We got there, I
got there, and I we
[1:57:12] had no idea who the
suspect was or where he was
[1:57:16] or what happened.
[1:57:17] We had a victim in a vehicle
No idea about anything.
[1:57:20] About a suspect.
[1:57:22] Not even sure what
type of we know.
[1:57:25] We knew what the crime
was, but not even
[1:57:26] sure what it was related to.
[1:57:27] You know one of our deputies
very adept at technology,
[1:57:33] utilized flock, utilized.
[1:57:36] Another camera that's
part of a vehicle.
[1:57:39] And we were able
to get an address
[1:57:42] on a suspect at a location.
[1:57:44] And we were able
to safely apprehend
[1:57:47] him because of technology.
[1:57:49] That's one example.
[1:57:51] And there's been
tons of incidents
[1:57:53] where we've used flock, the
loopers to find locations
[1:57:59] on suspect and to narrow down
time frames as far as when
[1:58:02] they're in the city, because
our cameras are kind of set up
[1:58:05] on the exits of
the city and most
[1:58:09] of the entrances of the city.
[1:58:10] So we can see when a
vehicle came through,
[1:58:13] you know, if we have a crime.
[1:58:14] Right.
[1:58:14] Hey, he entered the
city at this time.
[1:58:17] And left immediately
after the crime.
[1:58:18] That that's possibly
our vehicle you
[1:58:21] know, and possibly the plate.
[1:58:22] If we're looking for a blue Ford
f-150 or something like that.
[1:58:28] Right.
[1:58:29] So they're very
helpful as far as far
[1:58:32] as accountability,
I will say a couple
[1:58:34] of things on that Two things.
[1:58:37] Number one, the Orange
County sheriff's Department
[1:58:40] doesn't share or flag i'm sorry,
it doesn't share information
[1:58:44] with federal agencies
from the Orange
[1:58:47] county Sheriff's Department.
[1:58:48] Number 2, and more
importantly when
[1:58:52] we make a request
for information
[1:58:56] we have to give a reason
We have to give our name.
[1:58:59] And we have to
give a case number.
[1:59:02] Right.
[1:59:02] Whether it be a report number or
an incident number or something
[1:59:06] like that.
[1:59:06] So everything is tracked.
[1:59:08] So our guys aren't
doing anything,
[1:59:11] you know as you've heard
in the media on nefarious.
[1:59:14] And if they do,
they're prosecute it,
[1:59:16] you know, by their you
know, whatever law.
[1:59:19] They've violated and by policy.
[1:59:21] So no, I definitely appreciate,
you know, some of the words.
[1:59:24] I know the you know,
it does fall, I
[1:59:27] believe, into the
purview of, you know,
[1:59:29] the roadways of the community
because the cameras are
[1:59:32] installed along our roadways.
[1:59:33] And I think it's
really helpful when
[1:59:35] members of our public
safety services, you know,
[1:59:39] speak to what's truthful
and what's not as truthful.
[1:59:42] Yeah.
[1:59:43] Yeah I think they've
I think they've
[1:59:45] been a great a great benefit for
investigations after the fact.
[1:59:50] So, yeah good Appreciate
those comments.
[1:59:55] I, I wish those comments would
have been said last night
[1:59:59] after the one public speaker
because it could have presented
[2:00:02] a different picture of what
was being stated I know
[2:00:09] a lot of folks don't
like the idea of cameras,
[2:00:11] but this is a great point that
you're making that a crime was
[2:00:17] solved because
the technology was
[2:00:20] there in regards to what's
happening in our city
[2:00:28] with e-bikes.
[2:00:29] Do you see an uptick?
[2:00:32] Is it status quo?
[2:00:35] What what's happening in
the city in regards to
[2:00:38] are we having more more
collisions with them?
[2:00:42] What's what does that
look like right now?
[2:00:44] You know, it's kind
of in Laguna Hills
[2:00:46] as far as a study
and look at the stats
[2:00:48] right before this
meeting on e-bikes.
[2:00:50] But we're going to Hills
This is kind of unique as far
[2:00:54] as the e-bike problem
Aliso Viejo has a bigger
[2:00:59] e-bike problem Rancho Santa
margarita does Mission
[2:01:02] Viejo, of course and I
think if we had a mall,
[2:01:08] you know, across the
street, if we had shops
[2:01:11] and things like that that were
exciting for kids to go to,
[2:01:14] I think we would be seeing a
lot more e-bikes We do see them.
[2:01:17] You know, they cross
right out in front of you
[2:01:19] while you're driving
and things like that.
[2:01:20] It's it's very dangerous, but
we don't have in Laguna Hills
[2:01:23] the problem to the extent that
our surrounding cities do.
[2:01:26] Fortunately for us right
now maybe that's because
[2:01:29] of the terrain that we have.
[2:01:31] But so we are not seeing an
uptick in e-bike collisions yet
[2:01:39] that may everybody's
buying an e-bike.
[2:01:41] You know so that may we
may start seeing that.
[2:01:44] But right now, we're
not in our departments
[2:01:46] getting pretty serious on our on
e-bike enforcement So we'll see.
[2:01:52] We'll see citations go up.
[2:01:54] The DEA wants to work with
the sheriff's departments
[2:01:57] And then so you'll probably
see some things like that
[2:02:00] in the future coming out OK.
[2:02:02] So the DEA is also getting
serious about e-bikes.
[2:02:04] Thank you. you for
that report, Chief.
[2:02:06] It's very good.
[2:02:07] That brings us up to
our city engineer.
[2:02:10] Verbal report, Verbal report.
[2:02:15] I don't really have a actual
verbal report this evening
[2:02:18] other than other than to explain
that last night the city council
[2:02:26] voted to approve staff's
recommendation for the village
[2:02:29] of Laguna Hills project More
information is available
[2:02:34] on the online.
[2:02:35] Don't really have a whole
lot to say about that, other
[2:02:39] than the fact that the
department will be busy Event
[2:02:43] Stream Processing plans for
grading improvement stormwater
[2:02:49] plans and we are currently,
in terms of capital
[2:02:56] improvement projects.
[2:02:57] I guess I can give you a small
update on that City Council
[2:03:03] voted previously to reject all
bids for the residential streets
[2:03:09] projects.
[2:03:10] Capital One on one M, which
was the residential resurfacing
[2:03:13] project as some of
you may be aware,
[2:03:17] the city's goal has been to
either a slurry sewer overlay.
[2:03:21] Every residential street
in the city every six years
[2:03:25] right now due to
budget constraints,
[2:03:27] plus the high price of oil.
[2:03:30] There isn't some way to
accomplish that right now So
[2:03:34] the city did receive
five bids based
[2:03:37] in additive bids for almost
like what you just experienced
[2:03:42] tonight with trying
to figure out which
[2:03:43] way to make the numbers fit.
[2:03:45] Same thing with that.
[2:03:46] But the numbers were a
little bit unsatisfactory.
[2:03:49] So going back out to bid again
on that to see what we can do
[2:03:53] within the budget to
take care of streets
[2:03:55] within the zones and the and
we are unrelated to the traffic
[2:04:03] commission.
[2:04:04] We're also working on.
[2:04:07] We received bids for five
park improvement projects.
[2:04:11] And we're going
through that right now
[2:04:15] And we'll be making
a recommendation
[2:04:18] for that at the August 25
meeting along with Scope one.
[2:04:21] I want him now at the august
25 meeting recommending certain
[2:04:25] of what you just recommended
tonight And so the next meeting
[2:04:32] for the city council is August
21 and we'll have again,
[2:04:36] a full slate of items from
public works on that agenda.
[2:04:40] OK.
[2:04:40] Thank you.
[2:04:41] You.
[2:04:43] Yes and being one
of us is disturbed.
[2:04:47] A time table on the
parking spots there.
[2:04:53] In other in Lebanon.
[2:04:55] Okay Actually, I will say
that I was out in the field
[2:05:01] as we were as our staff and our
contractor was laying the lines.
[2:05:07] So we did a half
a street at a time
[2:05:09] Thank you for bringing this up.
[2:05:11] And we received such an
outpouring of support, people
[2:05:15] coming out of
their homes So I do
[2:05:18] want to thank the traffic
Commission for recommending that
[2:05:21] and Council for approving that.
[2:05:24] We had a lot of support on that.
[2:05:28] I know Sozzi is out enforcing
that The parking stall thing,
[2:05:33] it seems like.
[2:05:34] And I think Captain Burke has
something to say about that.
[2:05:37] Yeah, just really quick.
[2:05:38] I was talking to our CSO is
asking how it was going over
[2:05:41] and be alone This is
in regards to parking
[2:05:44] and they said they
love the t marks
[2:05:47] and they thought that was
such a great idea They've
[2:05:50] had a lot less problems with,
with people parking their not
[2:05:53] seen cars, but it
up to each other you
[2:05:55] know like they were
and things like that.
[2:05:58] It's just seems
they're still issues.
[2:06:00] But it just seems like
it's gotten a lot better.
[2:06:02] So Great idea.
[2:06:04] Yeah, it was it was really
exciting when that idea came up
[2:06:10] and we thought,
well, we could bring
[2:06:11] some order to the aloneness,
which is that's a great thing.
[2:06:15] And my understanding
is we're also
[2:06:17] going to do the same
on Laguna Hills Drive
[2:06:20] Yes, we are going to
be painting the parking
[2:06:24] stalls on the green hills drive
because it's an arterial highway
[2:06:28] rather than doing the
2020 and four gap.
[2:06:30] We're just painting 24
foot parking spaces which
[2:06:34] is that they're alternative
and that will be installed
[2:06:37] soon with a work order.
[2:06:39] There was in the
interest of providing
[2:06:42] potentially some relief.
[2:06:43] We wanted to open up the roadway
first and then bring back
[2:06:48] the paint crew during a future
street sweeping for our window
[2:06:53] where we can lay that out
pretty quickly over there.
[2:06:56] And there's going to be about
85 parking spaces out there.
[2:06:59] That'll be that'll be actual tee
marked out on Laguna Hills drive
[2:07:03] on the south Side.
[2:07:05] That's very good news.
[2:07:07] Very good news.
[2:07:08] OK, Commissioners mr. Jones
comments is Mike Evans OK,
[2:07:13] There we go.
[2:07:14] Mr. Patel.
[2:07:14] I'm looking forward to our
August 12th meeting or workshop
[2:07:20] because I think there's a lot
of things that can be said about
[2:07:23] parking in this community.
[2:07:24] And so, yes, I'm looking forward
to having a robust conversation
[2:07:28] about, you know, even
opportunities for the city
[2:07:31] to hopefully, be able to
get more permitting to get
[2:07:35] more money to fix our streets.
[2:07:37] Yeah You know, it's
the talk of the town
[2:07:41] whether it's when are we
getting our streets paved
[2:07:44] to where is the parking at.
[2:07:46] That is the definitely the talk
and so I want to thank the staff
[2:07:51] tonight for I know it
was a lot of work to get
[2:07:54] prepared for this
meeting tonight.
[2:07:55] So thank you so much.
[2:07:58] Job well done.
[2:07:58] Thank you.
[2:07:59] Thank you.
[2:07:59] Thank you.
[2:08:01] In our next meeting
as we said, it
[2:08:03] is going to be our
special meeting
[2:08:05] August 12th at 6:00 5:00.
[2:08:10] I had heard previously
that you wanted at 5:30.
[2:08:13] I thought that was.
[2:08:14] But I'm not positive.
[2:08:16] I thought i didn't know.
[2:08:17] And.
[2:08:17] Vice Chair Patel, I thought
you and i could imagine this.
[2:08:21] I thought you wanted to do it
at 5:30, but i don't remember.
[2:08:25] No specific Quickly.
[2:08:27] I think it was over email,
so maybe we can double check.
[2:08:30] OK.
[2:08:30] Definitely.
[2:08:31] Like the 5:30.
[2:08:31] Just Does that work for you?
[2:08:33] You have to get
from work, right?
[2:08:35] OK.
[2:08:35] OK So, okay, it looks like
5:30 is going to be a good.
[2:08:40] So yeah, we're looking
forward to that meeting
[2:08:43] And at this time,
we're going to adjourn.
[2:08:45] Thank you so much, everybody
And a job well done.
[2:08:49] Thank you Jay
Yeah, we don't want
[2:09:04] to make it where you can't
make it to the meeting on time
[2:09:08] I don't know if for forum.
[2:09:10] Yeah, you're right Yeah
So we found out from mike
[2:09:18] just right before we got into.
[2:09:19] Listen to me, okay?
[2:09:21] Correct.
[2:09:23] Yeah I hope this is good.
[2:09:26] It seems like it's now, but
we have some things to take
[2:09:28] care to put in a version.
[2:09:30] Oh, okay.
[2:09:32] So i thought this was a good
conversation on permanent part.
[2:09:36] Yes.
[2:09:36] Yeah Yeah.
[2:09:37] So, I mean, I. I did
get a little bit more
[2:09:39] heated with that,
so but, you know,
[2:09:42] I just thought it was
unfair that you know,
[2:09:45] the thing with you
because we have i
[2:09:48] can't afford place
to remain and we're
[2:09:51] you know we're just so we're
more protected by the Supreme.
[2:09:59] It's super expensive.
[2:10:00] And i had to use.
[2:10:03] It's our biggest
expense, but we don't.