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>> oh, is that what it is? Okay.

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>> lift off.

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>> spend the kids in here and it's 30.

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>> oh, we're on. Okay, here we go.

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all right, sorry, the mic sign.

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welcome, everybody, to the august 12th.

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believe it or not, half
the month is almost over.

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the regular meeting for the
laguna hills traffic commission.

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welcome, everybody, for being here tonight.

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we look forward to a wonderful
conversation and getting our work done.

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and we're going to go ahead and
open up with the pledge of allegiance.

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and I'm going to ask, let's see,
mr. Caputo, let's have you lead us

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in the pledge of allegiance tonight.

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all right, a pledge of the
united states of america

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and to the republic for which
it stands, my nation, under god,

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indivisible with liberty
and justice for all.

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thank you, you can be seated.

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all righty, so at this
time we'll call on the clerk

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for a roll call.

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>> let the record show.

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we have a quorum with four committee
members present in the chamber.

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>> thank you, thank you.

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okay.

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all right, this brings us to
public comment on the agenda.

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this is the time to address
the traffic commission

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on any matters, not
listed on this agenda.

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that is within the subject matter,
jurisdiction of the commission.

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public comments are limited to three minutes
per person as determined by the chair.

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at this time, clerk, do we
have any public comments?

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>> yes, we have one request to
speak and zero electronic comments.

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the first audience member, or the only
audience member to speak is larry bremer.

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>> okay, great, sir, if
you could -- I'm sorry.

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>> I don't know if larry is --

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>> he thought he was going
to be on the agenda probably.

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>> oh, is he -- >> larry bremer
thought that we were part of the handle

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whilst in the form of the member's fashion,
and all this kind of specific housing.

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>> so he left.

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>> okay, okay, great.

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are there any other public
speakers for this item?

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I mean, for this time.

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>> no, has this item 3.1?

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>> well, it's just a public comment.

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just -- >> no.

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>> okay, so to be clear, we don't
have any other public speakers,

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and there was an electronic
-- no electronic comments.

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okay, all right, that moves us forward
to presentations, and there are none.

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that moves us forward to
administrative reports, agenda item 3.

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1, discussion, a request
of acacia knolls resident,

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to park on the south
side of beckenham street.

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and at this time, we
will take staff report.

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>> thank you very much, chair miller.

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I guess I want to preface all of this
by saying that as many of you know,

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the special meeting tonight
was meant to talk about parking

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and street sweeping issues,
but then there was interest

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in the city council and the
topic back on june 23rd.

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at that point in time, they
directed to hold a joint meeting.

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unfortunately, their schedules didn't align

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with the traffic commission scheduled
to be able to talk about that tonight.

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and since it was the same topic, I
had to unexpectedly flip the topics,

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making this august 12th
meeting more of a regular meeting.

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the september items I
anticipated talking about,

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and then moving what we were planning
on talking about tonight to september.

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and so that's the reason
why this feels a little odd.

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I don't know how many of you
got all that from all the last minute.

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email correspondence,
but that's what happened.

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and so this item I would
have brought in september

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after our parking and
street sweeping discussion.

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so then I had to frame this item knowing
that that is still coming in september.

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and so I just want to preface all that
before we got into this agenda item.

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and then I will try to
clean up my agenda item.

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I will admit that when I was
writing this agenda item one,

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I was unaware of a certain
circumstance and two.

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I was off last week thursday and friday.

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compressing the week.

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so I came back on monday and found out some
new information, thanks to city of staff.

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and that was what led to
some of the amendments today.

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anyway, so I take full responsibility
for that in my apologies.

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next slide, please.

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thank you for the clarification.

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because I was expecting a workshop
and I had to grab my jacket for tonight.

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yeah, I appreciate.

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thank you for asking your
question, commissioner caputo, too.

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because yeah, that was
the whole, again, I apologize.

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so I'm glad you grabbed your jacket.

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yeah, very dapper in your jacket.

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thank you.

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thank you.

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so during the july 15th
traffic commission meeting,

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you may recall city
staff provided the results

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of a residential permit park
and district for camberwell,

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street, sunset place, and
around back-and-hand park,

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rather than reading all
those lists of streets there.

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and then also during the july
15th traffic commission meeting,

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I reviewed a presentation that I
made to the city council on june 23rd,

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concerning parking on the
south side of laguna hills drive,

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which was approved by
the city council by resolution.

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and citywide parking issues,

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and I talked about on
july 15th and on june 23rd,

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that in my humble
opinion, in my personal view,

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the solution to citywide
parking issues is generally

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to provide parking near
where parking demand is

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greatest, which I recognize
isn't always possible.

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next slide, please.

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so during that discussion of
that separate permit parking,

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but for camberwell street,

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back-and-hand park and
sunset place neighborhood,

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one public speaker indicated the
proposed permit parking district

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would negatively impact
the ability of vacation roles,

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residents to park around
back-and-hand park,

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if that permit parking
district were approved.

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and then a second public
speaker requested that parking

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be reopened on the south
side of beckenham street,

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and no overnight parking is currently allowed
on the south side of beckenham street,

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but it's for indication
roles in beckenham park.

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and then subsequent
to the july 15th meeting,

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I received a personal telephone
call from the public speaker

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and inquiring if the south
side of beckenham street

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could be open to only occasion roles,

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residents using the established
parking permit program process.

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next slide, please.

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so for reference for talking
about this neighborhood here,

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we're talking about camberwell
street and around beckenham park.

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so this is the neighborhood
that we received requests

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from so out parking on the
south side of beckenham

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street adjacent, so
they're intrigue-gate.

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next slide, please.

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and then you may recall that the
traffic commission recently implemented

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no overnight parking on the purple line.

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I believe that was, what was that?

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may, or march, march, then it was march.

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and then that was adopted by
the city council by resolution.

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and then what's not
on this map is on june

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23rd, the south side
of laguna hills tribe,

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between indian hill and pacifica valencia,

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was approved for overnight parking.

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and that was the intention
of that was to allow for,

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I would say, a pressure relief
valve of sorts for the stock port

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apartments and for the alicia village
apartments will the park on laguna hills drive.

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next slide, please.

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so I told the telephone caller
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which is you, would need to consider the
request and provide direction to city staff.

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so it would be helpful to receive
emails from immediate neighbors

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indicating an interest in
the idea in order to agenda

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is the item for
consideration of the traffic

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commission, which brings
us to this item tonight.

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and so you have several
emails now in your agenda

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packet, and I'll email
them out regarding that.

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and so the original gender
report released on august

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7th indicated there was no
prior precedent for the city

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establishing permit parking on a
city street for the exclusive benefit

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of an adjoining private
residential property.

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and that statement was
made in error my apologies.

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there is prior precedent for establishing
permit parking on a city street

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for the exclusive benefit of an
adjoining residential community

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has discussed in the amendment
to my agenda report released today.

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and I've got one example out there.

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and that is the belitz-hira
community association

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of permit parking on an adjoining
public street next slide, please.

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here is belitz-hira.

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this is laguna hills drive.

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interestingly, it's not that far
away from what we're talking about.

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it's approximately the line shown
in yellow, suddenly of their driveway.

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and it's for a relatively short distance.

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it's for 400 in some odd feet.

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so it's probably good for 25 cars,
20 or 25 cars, if they pack it in there.

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next slide, please.

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actually, it's 570 feet.

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so that would be good
for a little bit more than that.

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so the resolution was adopted in 2009.

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so it's been out there for 17 years.

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and that resolution and that
agenda report were attached

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since it's a supplemental agenda report.

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and then in reviewing that
agenda report from 2009,

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the summary is that was
supported by the city council

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because the lack of
parking within the property

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and city staff specifically
stated in that 2009 report

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that the parking did not meet present-day
municipal code requirements for parking.

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so given all of that and the
information has just come to light,

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I didn't have an opportunity
to perform the same analysis

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on this property.

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that was done for that property
but has I already explained

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the agenda report had
already been released.

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so here we are tonight.

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next slide, please.

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so if the same rationale
is used to justify parking

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for occasion nulls, city staff
believes the following information

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is important to have in order
to assist the traffic commission

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in its discussion of the request,
either now or in the future.

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how many kind of minimum units are there?

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do they have garages?

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how big are they garages?
Do they have driveways?

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can you park on the driveways overnight?

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I lived in an association
in dana point a year ago

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that had condominium with full, sometimes
full length driveways in front of it

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but the ccrs didn't allow you
to park overnight in the driveway.

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these strange things.

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and how many guest parking
spaces are on the property?

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so those are some of the
bare minimum questions.

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next slide, please.

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I did receive this afternoon
reply to those questions.

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I didn't get back to my desk until 445.

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so here are the answers here
of 99 units and occasion nulls.

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they all have garages.

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they all have two car garages.

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not every unit has a driveway
that can be parked on overnight

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because there are units,
some units without driveways.

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I didn't get any
indication about whether

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or not there was a ban
on overnight parking.

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and then there are approximately
15 guest parking stalls

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that apparently have,
I don't know for sure,

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have some churn over
requirements or something.

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I'm not sure exactly.

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next slide, please.

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we are also on receipt of the following
information from the original requester.

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he had all of this to say.

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I think rather than reading
all this to, I will pause

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here for a minute and I
will hear it for yourselves.

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I can grab some water too.

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everybody good on that page?

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speed reader.

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no, you need more time for it.

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more time to take notes on this slide.

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anybody need more time on this slide?

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everyone's good.

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next slide, please, robert.

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so, city staff's
recommendation is that the

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traffic commission
received the city staff report

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and postponed detailed
discussion due to the upcoming

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city council traffic
commission joint meeting

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on september 16th to discuss policy
and direction on citywide parking issues.

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optionally, the traffic
commission may want to discuss

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this particular request
now in order to help shape

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options for discussing citywide parking
solutions for the upcoming joint meeting.

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and then my personal additional
thoughts and blue here are

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if the citywide parking solutions goal
or objective could be to find parking.

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you're a parking demand as great as should
this type of solution be in a toolbox.

241
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just putting it out there.

242
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as the traffic commission is aware of,

243
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I always prefer to start with the target

244
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and then let people pick
it apart rather than just,

245
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you know, have a wide discussion.

246
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so that's the end of my staff report.

247
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- okay. - and I'm happening.

248
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that's for any questions.

249
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- okay, great.

250
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we're going to open this
up to commissioner questions.

251
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right now everybody's mic is live.

252
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and we're all city council members.

253
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because that's the names on the screen.

254
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so I don't know who's pressing what.

255
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but we can just, you know,
go through the process of,

256
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if you'd like to ask questions or speak,
just go ahead and press your button.

257
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and I'll just call on you.

258
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because right now it's
everybody else's name.

259
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- I don't know how to drop.

260
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- oh, no, yours is going off.

261
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- yeah.

262
00:16:27,099 --> 00:16:28,500
- oh, if you hold it.

263
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- press the right button.

264
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- yeah.

265
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- there we go.

266
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- oh.

267
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- it's on now.

268
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- yeah, so.

269
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- okay, there we go.

270
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okay, it's off.

271
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and I still have.

272
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- but I have.

273
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- so there's three mics live.

274
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okay.

275
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so at this time we're going to open it
up for, um, questions from commissioners.

276
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let's start on this.

277
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thank you.

278
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- okay.

279
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- um, going through the report.

280
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thank you for being
very comprehensive on it.

281
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there was a lot of
information that, you know,

282
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I'm glad you got response
back to how many units there are

283
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and the requirements for the garages.

284
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do you know, or can we find
out before the next meeting

285
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if the hoa requires
garages for vehicles only

286
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and not for storage or any
other use of the garages?

287
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I know in my particular hoa,
your garage is only for vehicle use.

288
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you must put your first
two cars in the garage.

289
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first or three cars putting on a response
you have and then use of the driveway.

290
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so I am curious if that is in their ccnr's,

291
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currently that the garages
are for vehicle use only.

292
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- are you good?

293
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that's it.

294
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okay, go ahead.

295
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- two questions.

296
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one on wilkes, it's permit parking.

297
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who has, who has those permits?

298
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are the permits?

299
00:18:06,899 --> 00:18:09,500
- yeah, those, the homes on wilkes are,

300
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I believe our single family
homes is just for the people

301
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who live along wilkes.

302
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- so a question would be possible

303
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to spread that to a lesion
holes also because one solution?

304
00:18:32,749 --> 00:18:34,789
- potentially, I would need
to get a recommendation

305
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from the traffic commission on that.

306
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it's potentially available.

307
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I don't have any, it's
a double sided street.

308
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so you've got curb length
in front of the homes

309
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and then you've got, sorry,
it's a single loaded street.

310
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so you've got, side of
the curb is no, you know.

311
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- it stops at the end there.

312
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so I fact it in park.

313
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- the second question
is, do we know what the

314
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percentage of rentals
in a lesion holes is?

315
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and the reason I ask is, I
live in a gated community

316
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and as the rentals increase,
so does the amount of carbs

317
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because there's a tendency
to have multiple families called.

318
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in those units, they have more carbs.

319
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so I'm seeing that as, I'm
on the board of an hoa

320
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that's gated and we're
starting to see some issues

321
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there as the percentage
of rentals increase.

322
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so I just be curious to see how
much the rentals are and that affects it.

323
00:19:55,500 --> 00:20:00,500
but just a comment, I think
we're finally cleaning up

324
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the safety issues around pecking in park
and I just be inclined to let line dogs wide

325
00:20:10,500 --> 00:20:12,500
but if we could do
something with the whirls

326
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as a temporary measure,
it might help lesion

327
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holes and I think mike
had a good point that,

328
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to help the kind of, help
themselves is to push them cc&rs

329
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'cause everybody wants to
use their garage as storage

330
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and it really wants to
pay $200 for storage unit.

331
00:20:43,500 --> 00:20:54,500
but I think we have to push for these
both on apartments and the condos

332
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that people have to help themselves out
and if they could do that, that could help

333
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'cause having just 15 units, 15 parking
spots or 100 units throughout the small.

334
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if I could see it, I could see it for us.

335
00:21:12,499 --> 00:21:14,500
so just a thought and
a couple of solutions.

336
00:21:14,500 --> 00:21:20,500
I'm with what commissioner
caputo said in possibly using wilkes.

337
00:21:22,899 --> 00:21:28,500
so to tail onto that question, so
the idea on your first question was

338
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to take wilkes, which is already
existing and to extend that to where?

339
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- to a lesion holes.

340
00:21:34,749 --> 00:21:38,500
- so if, is that--
- can you do it just allow them to?

341
00:21:38,749 --> 00:21:40,500
- yeah, it permits also.

342
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- can you do that without the 67% vote?

343
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:53,500
- so, like the two examples,
so there was two examples.

344
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so my original erroneous
gender report talked about

345
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a commercial complex
where there was no vote taken.

346
00:22:00,749 --> 00:22:03,000
and then my amendment to the gender report

347
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:07,000
also pointed to the fact
that there was no vote taken

348
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because these two in this
one are the unusual situation

349
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where you have a private development,

350
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residential or commercial
looking to park on a public street.

351
00:22:21,549 --> 00:22:24,500
so those two prior examples,
there was not a vote taken.

352
00:22:24,699 --> 00:22:27,500
instead there was a
justification, a rationale,

353
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that was arrived at by jointly amongst the

354
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city council traffic
commission and city staff

355
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justifying for doing that.

356
00:22:38,199 --> 00:22:44,000
so this wilkes place roadway

357
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already has permit parking on it.

358
00:22:47,299 --> 00:22:49,500
I guess my only thought on that,

359
00:22:50,099 --> 00:22:52,500
I'm putting a link on it, is, you know,

360
00:22:52,899 --> 00:22:56,000
they requested that and
then now you're changing,

361
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and essentially changing by adding,
you know, more people to that.

362
00:23:00,500 --> 00:23:02,000
I don't know, you know.

363
00:23:02,849 --> 00:23:03,500
- it hasn't been done.

364
00:23:03,500 --> 00:23:05,000
- it hasn't been done before that way.

365
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:09,000
so I, you know, the answer
hasn't been done that way before.

366
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:14,502
but prior precedent would
say that a vote isn't needed for

367
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off-site parking, but this is
a new wrinkle in all of this.

368
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,000
- right.

369
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:21,000
- okay, good, good.

370
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:22,000
- I'm gonna see him top it.

371
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,000
- I'm sorry.

372
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:25,000
- that's on the same conversation.

373
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,500
- the parking permit on
wilkes was that requested

374
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because there were other parking happening

375
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and it could have
been the people from

376
00:23:32,932 --> 00:23:35,000
location roles that were
parking there already,

377
00:23:36,049 --> 00:23:37,000
which is kind of that shift.

378
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:39,500
and that's why they
wanted the parking permit.

379
00:23:39,500 --> 00:23:42,000
is that because of what was
happening from location roles?

380
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:43,500
so we don't have that information.

381
00:23:43,899 --> 00:23:45,378
so it's hard to determine
if we added it back

382
00:23:45,379 --> 00:23:47,500
in what would be the
overall play on that.

383
00:23:48,349 --> 00:23:50,500
- yeah, my guess is the spread
from the apartment, right?

384
00:23:50,500 --> 00:23:51,500
- yeah, that's right.

385
00:23:51,500 --> 00:23:53,500
- yes, everybody goes
in from the apartments.

386
00:23:53,500 --> 00:23:55,500
- yeah, right, so okay.

387
00:23:55,500 --> 00:23:56,500
neil.

388
00:23:56,500 --> 00:23:59,700
- yep, the question I
have is I know it in past

389
00:23:59,701 --> 00:24:03,000
when we've kind of
debated about stop signs.

390
00:24:03,049 --> 00:24:08,000
we city staff has really
put the onus on the traffic

391
00:24:08,649 --> 00:24:12,700
commission to follow the municipal
code and any applicable state laws.

392
00:24:12,700 --> 00:24:15,000
but, you know, kind of
seeing this agenda item

393
00:24:15,899 --> 00:24:17,299
and then even some previous
ones where we've opened up

394
00:24:17,300 --> 00:24:21,200
parking on los aliso's or,
you know, on indian hill,

395
00:24:21,549 --> 00:24:24,000
it seems like it's in spite
of the municipal code

396
00:24:24,599 --> 00:24:27,039
and like the recommendation,
at least in the black and white.

397
00:24:27,299 --> 00:24:29,700
so I'm just trying to, I
guess I want some clarity

398
00:24:29,701 --> 00:24:33,599
on why when it comes to
parking matters, you know,

399
00:24:33,899 --> 00:24:37,099
we can ignore some of the stated protocol.

400
00:24:37,149 --> 00:24:42,099
but, you know, we're very
clear to be on like stop signs

401
00:24:42,599 --> 00:24:45,700
and other types of like
traffic control devices.

402
00:24:45,701 --> 00:24:47,500
so just...

403
00:24:51,649 --> 00:24:54,500
- I don't know that I
would couch it that way,

404
00:24:54,500 --> 00:24:57,500
but I would say that stop
signs are safety control device.

405
00:24:59,299 --> 00:25:07,299
parking is a convenience.

406
00:25:08,099 --> 00:25:11,059
and so I personally see
that it's two very different

407
00:25:11,060 --> 00:25:14,799
categories both from
a liability perspective

408
00:25:14,999 --> 00:25:16,799
and a safety perspective.

409
00:25:16,949 --> 00:25:21,200
and so, and there is an
m-u-t-c-d on parking.

410
00:25:21,349 --> 00:25:24,000
there's an m-u-t-c-d on stop signs.

411
00:25:24,099 --> 00:25:27,400
so that's, there's
national guidance on that

412
00:25:27,499 --> 00:25:30,799
and I don't have, we don't
have the same things here.

413
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,400
and so parking controls
are mostly within the purview

414
00:25:34,401 --> 00:25:39,000
of the city council and so if
some direction needs to change

415
00:25:39,249 --> 00:25:40,992
with regard to that,
then that would be on

416
00:25:40,993 --> 00:25:43,700
a local level rather
than national guidance.

417
00:25:48,199 --> 00:25:53,200
- okay, the only, I just had a
few questions, this whole idea

418
00:25:55,249 --> 00:25:58,200
of creating parking for
specific people groups.

419
00:25:59,449 --> 00:26:04,400
this, I understand our
regular permit parking that,

420
00:26:05,199 --> 00:26:07,700
you know, okay, but people groups are,

421
00:26:09,199 --> 00:26:12,900
I'm assuming they're getting
some type of colorized sticker

422
00:26:14,549 --> 00:26:16,500
or something for their
specific people group

423
00:26:16,500 --> 00:26:20,200
and who manages those
stickers, when people leave,

424
00:26:21,999 --> 00:26:25,400
when people move in, how did,
what's the management program

425
00:26:26,949 --> 00:26:30,299
for people groups specific parking?

426
00:26:30,549 --> 00:26:35,099
- so the current, I'll
just give you an over.

427
00:26:35,101 --> 00:26:39,500
the current permit parking
program generally is by

428
00:26:39,500 --> 00:26:43,400
neighborhood, and so all of
the neighborhoods have their own

429
00:26:43,799 --> 00:26:50,299
decals, stickers, hangers,
and so they're all labeled

430
00:26:50,399 --> 00:26:53,500
accordingly, so they're
all separated accordingly.

431
00:26:53,500 --> 00:27:00,099
and then most of them, not all of them,
most of them expire on an annual basis.

432
00:27:00,199 --> 00:27:05,500
so that's the mechanism for renewal.

433
00:27:05,899 --> 00:27:10,500
and the only difference
then is, is that in terra bella,

434
00:27:11,049 --> 00:27:14,099
you're just doing like, I
guess for lack of a better term,

435
00:27:14,101 --> 00:27:19,900
off-site parking, that is guaranteed to
a neighborhood that is somewhere else.

436
00:27:19,901 --> 00:27:25,200
- sorry.

437
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,599
- so the only difference with terra bella,

438
00:27:27,999 --> 00:27:31,299
the reason why it makes it
so different is because it's,

439
00:27:31,374 --> 00:27:35,200
it's not really, we're saying
we're creating permit parking

440
00:27:35,999 --> 00:27:39,599
for their neighborhood, but it could
be a neighborhood somewhere else.

441
00:27:39,624 --> 00:27:42,299
it doesn't have to be
geographically connected.

442
00:27:43,324 --> 00:27:46,121
you can put, you can,
you can say this, this

443
00:27:46,122 --> 00:27:50,200
street, down the street,
is gonna be our parking.

444
00:27:54,399 --> 00:27:56,799
- I'm not sure I'm
following them, I apologize.

445
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:01,099
- it's terra bella didn't
have enough parking, right?

446
00:28:01,101 --> 00:28:06,099
so you're designating the
street, that is, in this case,

447
00:28:06,299 --> 00:28:13,099
close to terra bella as their parking
space, their parking garage, right?

448
00:28:13,149 --> 00:28:16,700
so it's not in front of their
homes, it can be somewhere else.

449
00:28:16,749 --> 00:28:21,700
so theoretically with that,
you could designate parking

450
00:28:21,949 --> 00:28:26,339
in another location is what I'm saying.

451
00:28:26,340 --> 00:28:29,161
like, you could pick
out a block, a few blocks

452
00:28:29,162 --> 00:28:32,700
away and say that's
our block for our parking.

453
00:28:32,849 --> 00:28:37,700
- if you believe that that is
an example worth following

454
00:28:38,599 --> 00:28:42,299
and you were to draw
that, that out to a conclusion

455
00:28:43,224 --> 00:28:45,700
where you could assign
any public street, I suppose.

456
00:28:45,701 --> 00:28:48,900
I'm not making that
recommendation, ignore my,

457
00:28:50,949 --> 00:28:54,100
even, I'm not making that kind of recommendation,
I'm not making any recommendation.

458
00:28:54,124 --> 00:28:57,500
so I would, I would say that,

459
00:28:59,099 --> 00:29:02,779
that's up for the traffic
commission to debate,

460
00:29:03,029 --> 00:29:05,859
or decide and happy to provide
any thought process on that.

461
00:29:05,909 --> 00:29:09,539
but I, I mean, I'm happy
to write thoughts on that,

462
00:29:10,139 --> 00:29:12,200
but I would say, okay, I
don't have any information

463
00:29:12,599 --> 00:29:13,380
otherwise on that.

464
00:29:13,381 --> 00:29:18,299
- and we know for sure this is the only
place in our city where this is taking place.

465
00:29:18,300 --> 00:29:23,140
- yeah, again, I apologize,
so there was 14 permit

466
00:29:23,141 --> 00:29:27,180
parking districts, and
so my understanding is

467
00:29:27,181 --> 00:29:31,339
out of the 14 permit parking
districts, 12 are neighborhood

468
00:29:31,340 --> 00:29:35,940
based for the frontage
of residential streets,

469
00:29:36,589 --> 00:29:38,229
and then we have the commercial district,

470
00:29:39,069 --> 00:29:42,980
and we have this bella terra neighborhood.

471
00:29:42,980 --> 00:29:43,980
oh, is it in here?

472
00:29:43,980 --> 00:29:48,380
oh, let me see here, okay,
so, those are the only two,

473
00:29:57,204 --> 00:29:58,900
that I'm aware of out of the 14.

474
00:29:58,900 --> 00:30:01,339
- okay, all right, that's good.

475
00:30:01,739 --> 00:30:05,900
any other questions for stan at this time?

476
00:30:05,999 --> 00:30:08,460
okay, we're gonna go ahead and move forward

477
00:30:09,509 --> 00:30:12,180
to public comment on this agenda item.

478
00:30:12,729 --> 00:30:17,180
are there clerk, is there any
public comments on item 3.1?

479
00:30:17,679 --> 00:30:19,579
- yes, we have one speaker,

480
00:30:20,179 --> 00:30:23,059
the author of that nice
letter, george falcone.

481
00:30:23,159 --> 00:30:26,500
- okay, sir, if you could come forward,
thank you for being here tonight.

482
00:30:28,649 --> 00:30:30,599
- thanks for calling it a nice letter.

483
00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:33,420
george falcone, I was here last month.

484
00:30:33,469 --> 00:30:41,339
so, after the meeting last month, when
the discussion was about the permit parking

485
00:30:41,489 --> 00:30:46,339
in the other areas, I was here,

486
00:30:46,539 --> 00:30:51,579
and my comment was more
about the reduction of parking

487
00:30:51,929 --> 00:30:54,500
around, sorry, around begging and parking,

488
00:30:54,624 --> 00:30:57,420
we lost about 40 spaces with that.

489
00:30:57,919 --> 00:31:03,339
it did clean up the park, so
there's no doubt about that,

490
00:31:03,789 --> 00:31:08,700
but it did reduce
parking, and it affected us.

491
00:31:08,700 --> 00:31:12,299
now, we are 99 units,
they're all privately owned.

492
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:14,180
how many renters?

493
00:31:14,229 --> 00:31:22,980
I don't have that number, but I am,
I own my own property, in my wife.

494
00:31:22,980 --> 00:31:32,460
and we saw the loss of 40 spaces,
not just affecting the occasional's,

495
00:31:33,459 --> 00:31:36,500
not, you know, this isn't
just solely a selfish matter.

496
00:31:36,500 --> 00:31:41,180
it does affect the community, because
suddenly the apartment dwellers,

497
00:31:41,181 --> 00:31:43,707
or whoever else is using
that parking, and doesn't

498
00:31:43,708 --> 00:31:47,660
even matter who it is, they
are looking somewhere else,

499
00:31:48,009 --> 00:31:51,059
and that's why you guys have this,
you know, bigger issue, broader issue.

500
00:31:53,220 --> 00:31:56,160
and it came up by not a
resident of occasional's,

501
00:31:56,259 --> 00:32:00,339
better resident of sunset,
that they brought up,

502
00:32:00,340 --> 00:32:03,460
the idea, well, why don't you
park on the side of the street?

503
00:32:03,460 --> 00:32:05,940
and I'm sitting here in
the audience, thinking,

504
00:32:06,439 --> 00:32:08,433
okay, I'll bring that up,
you know, it's already

505
00:32:08,434 --> 00:32:10,819
offered, you know, by
other community members.

506
00:32:11,569 --> 00:32:16,339
what's unique about this side of the
property, this street, a beckyham street,

507
00:32:16,789 --> 00:32:20,193
and this side of the street
is, it is directly adjacent

508
00:32:20,194 --> 00:32:23,740
to our community, and
directly adjacent to our driveway.

509
00:32:23,789 --> 00:32:30,059
so, the idea of parking on wilkes is,
it's also adjacent to our community,

510
00:32:30,060 --> 00:32:32,259
but there's no direct
connection to it, right?

511
00:32:32,260 --> 00:32:35,700
so, and it's not to say it's not a bad idea

512
00:32:35,724 --> 00:32:42,660
of just saying that this one is by topography
and by everything else is right there.

513
00:32:42,660 --> 00:32:45,380
it also doesn't affect
any other neighborhood.

514
00:32:45,429 --> 00:32:48,700
so, directly affect any other neighbors,

515
00:32:49,499 --> 00:32:51,259
or any, you know, like
if we were on wilkes,

516
00:32:51,459 --> 00:32:53,139
then possibly the people across the street

517
00:32:53,529 --> 00:32:56,700
would be, wait a minute, I didn't have
people parking in front of me, now I do.

518
00:32:56,799 --> 00:32:59,420
so, this was kind of a
reason that I brought it up,

519
00:33:00,969 --> 00:33:02,847
was to help alleviate,
not only the parking for

520
00:33:02,848 --> 00:33:04,900
occasion knows, but for
the broader community,

521
00:33:05,999 --> 00:33:07,579
because if, I think,

522
00:33:08,779 --> 00:33:12,420
staff probably hasn't gotten to the point
of actually counting how many spaces I did,

523
00:33:14,069 --> 00:33:16,180
it looks like we probably
have about 13 to 14 spaces

524
00:33:16,329 --> 00:33:18,859
available if we do that part of the street,

525
00:33:19,779 --> 00:33:27,700
that reduces the impact on the rest
of the camp street for others to use.

526
00:33:27,701 --> 00:33:32,819
and so, that was kind of my idea
when I brought it up to the streams.

527
00:33:32,820 --> 00:33:35,500
so, I just wanna share that.

528
00:33:35,849 --> 00:33:38,259
- okay, great, why don't
you sit there for a second

529
00:33:38,260 --> 00:33:40,967
and let's ask the
commissioners if they have any

530
00:33:40,968 --> 00:33:44,140
questions for you,
anybody have any questions?

531
00:33:44,339 --> 00:33:46,500
for our speaker, we're good.

532
00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:48,539
well, we appreciate you being here tonight

533
00:33:49,039 --> 00:33:50,539
and sharing your comments.

534
00:33:50,540 --> 00:33:51,539
thank you so much.

535
00:33:51,540 --> 00:33:52,539
- sure, thank you.

536
00:33:52,540 --> 00:33:53,539
- five things.

537
00:33:53,540 --> 00:33:57,740
- are there any other
comments on this agenda item?

538
00:33:57,740 --> 00:33:58,579
- no.

539
00:33:58,580 --> 00:33:59,580
- no other comments.

540
00:33:59,629 --> 00:34:03,900
okay, we're gonna bring
this back to the commission

541
00:34:03,900 --> 00:34:08,739
for open discussion and
recommendations on direction.

542
00:34:08,740 --> 00:34:10,659
and, mr. Caputto.

543
00:34:13,460 --> 00:34:14,579
- can we back on the screen,

544
00:34:14,849 --> 00:34:16,780
the staff recommendations,
there were three options

545
00:34:16,780 --> 00:34:19,780
that you as a recommending,
can I see that again?

546
00:34:19,780 --> 00:34:20,780
- there we go.

547
00:34:23,769 --> 00:34:28,340
- I have no other comments, but I'd
like to make recommendations if possible.

548
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:32,260
- what would you like to make a motion?

549
00:34:32,260 --> 00:34:34,980
- or, okay, what would your motion be?

550
00:34:34,981 --> 00:34:39,980
- I'd like to move this
agenda to our next meeting.

551
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:46,980
it hopes that we can get some more answers
regarding the parking from cc and ours,

552
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:49,159
so that then we could then adapt this

553
00:34:50,469 --> 00:34:53,900
into what our topic really is, is
on parking for the city overall,

554
00:34:53,900 --> 00:34:58,900
as opposed to continuing
to maneuver parking areas

555
00:34:58,900 --> 00:35:02,260
without the city 'cause we are
continuing to move it around.

556
00:35:06,460 --> 00:35:06,874
so, until we have
resolution on the overall city

557
00:35:06,875 --> 00:35:10,699
problem, it's hard to
continue this conversation.

558
00:35:10,701 --> 00:35:14,059
- okay, so you're asking
to move the agenda item

559
00:35:14,110 --> 00:35:22,139
to our consolidated meeting with the city
council, and also what data did you want?

560
00:35:22,141 --> 00:35:24,219
- I think it's gonna see
an hour of information

561
00:35:24,469 --> 00:35:25,940
on the parking in the garages.

562
00:35:25,940 --> 00:35:27,860
- okay. - it's use of garage.

563
00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:30,579
- okay, is staff clear on that motion?

564
00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:36,139
- I am, I guess, so for the
september 16th meeting though,

565
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:40,539
I was planning on putting
on a singular agenda item,

566
00:35:40,989 --> 00:35:42,780
which was gonna talk about citywide parking

567
00:35:45,179 --> 00:35:49,260
on street sweeping issues, and then review
the, and that would basically be a review

568
00:35:49,260 --> 00:35:54,260
of my june 23rd staff
report to the city council,

569
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,260
which I also reviewed here on july 15th,

570
00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:02,260
and then I had envisioned that
once we got direction on that,

571
00:36:02,260 --> 00:36:07,260
that would allow us to
re-agendize this particular item

572
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:10,099
if warren said for the november meeting.

573
00:36:10,101 --> 00:36:11,780
- that was what I would like to do then.

574
00:36:12,655 --> 00:36:16,780
- okay, so you're changing your motion,

575
00:36:16,980 --> 00:36:24,619
then to move this item to the november
meeting, but also grab the data for that.

576
00:36:26,769 --> 00:36:31,699
so staff understands that, okay, and do,
I have a second, okay, we have a second,

577
00:36:31,900 --> 00:36:34,400
and clerk, can we take
a vote on that motion?

578
00:36:38,150 --> 00:36:39,059
- commissioner caputo.

579
00:36:39,061 --> 00:36:40,061
- aye.

580
00:36:42,050 --> 00:36:43,460
- commissioner jones. - aye.

581
00:36:43,460 --> 00:36:45,739
- vice chair patel. - aye.

582
00:36:46,690 --> 00:36:48,340
- chair miller. - aye.

583
00:36:49,639 --> 00:36:50,380
- motion passes unanimously.

584
00:36:50,380 --> 00:36:53,019
- thank you, thank you,
motion passes unanimously.

585
00:36:53,021 --> 00:36:57,980
thank you so much for being here tonight,
sir, and bringing your comments, thank you.

586
00:36:59,530 --> 00:37:04,340
okay, we move forward to
our next administrative report,

587
00:37:04,739 --> 00:37:10,539
3.2, discussion of citywide
street related traffic,

588
00:37:12,309 --> 00:37:17,460
concerns, and the residential street
management, traffic management policy.

589
00:37:17,460 --> 00:37:20,619
and at this time, we'll
receive staff reports.

590
00:37:21,695 --> 00:37:24,940
- thank you, next slide, please.

591
00:37:26,764 --> 00:37:31,500
so on april 30th, 2026,

592
00:37:31,501 --> 00:37:38,940
four months ago, the traffic
commission held a special meeting,

593
00:37:38,940 --> 00:37:43,420
and one of the items on the special meeting
agenda was the strategic planning workshop

594
00:37:43,420 --> 00:37:47,900
to discuss a comprehensive
approach to traffic related concerns,

595
00:37:47,900 --> 00:37:52,380
which included discussion of
citywide's speed related traffic concerns.

596
00:37:53,329 --> 00:37:58,619
and at the conclusion of that item, the
traffic commission recommended a few things,

597
00:37:58,621 --> 00:38:00,860
that city staff returned
to the traffic commission

598
00:38:00,860 --> 00:38:04,099
with a review of the compass
data collection program

599
00:38:04,375 --> 00:38:06,099
that we briefly previewed.

600
00:38:06,101 --> 00:38:08,500
and it's a software program
provided by the orange county

601
00:38:08,501 --> 00:38:12,860
transportation authority that
captures anonymized vehicle data.

602
00:38:12,860 --> 00:38:17,699
and then to a literature review of the
acceptable prevailing speed threshold

603
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,099
for residential streets
identified in existing lagoon hills

604
00:38:21,101 --> 00:38:25,260
residential traffic management
policy number 350.

605
00:38:25,260 --> 00:38:28,579
in addition, the traffic commission
recommended that the commissioners be prepared

606
00:38:28,581 --> 00:38:32,139
to present their individual
recommended edits to policy number 350.

607
00:38:33,639 --> 00:38:38,219
so because the first item
list requires a real-time review

608
00:38:38,221 --> 00:38:42,460
of a proprietary software program
that can only be accessed by city staff.

609
00:38:42,510 --> 00:38:44,597
and the second item
requires an additional

610
00:38:44,598 --> 00:38:47,420
context not easily conveyed
in the agenda report.

611
00:38:47,420 --> 00:38:55,179
I'm making this city staff presentation
in response to items one and two above.

612
00:38:56,079 --> 00:39:03,940
and then so the recommended action will
be to receive a presentation of city staff

613
00:39:03,940 --> 00:39:08,059
and provide direction to
city staff regarding policy 350.

614
00:39:08,061 --> 00:39:09,820
next slide, please.

615
00:39:09,820 --> 00:39:15,699
and so I want to talk about
what this compass program is

616
00:39:15,701 --> 00:39:20,699
that we briefly started
talking about in on april 30th.

617
00:39:20,875 --> 00:39:27,940
so the compass program is a
proprietary software program

618
00:39:28,889 --> 00:39:35,980
from an australian company
that takes anonymized vehicle data.

619
00:39:35,981 --> 00:39:37,019
next slide, please.

620
00:39:38,340 --> 00:39:41,900
so what is a connected vehicle?

621
00:39:41,900 --> 00:39:46,900
so most modern passenger
private and freighting vehicles

622
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,500
have a sim card embedded
at the point of manufacture

623
00:39:51,501 --> 00:39:54,139
and the sim card allows
and internet connections

624
00:39:54,289 --> 00:39:57,019
to connect to other
devices or smart sensors

625
00:39:57,219 --> 00:39:59,139
and these connections
allow the transfer of data

626
00:39:59,250 --> 00:40:01,659
between the car and the manufacturer.

627
00:40:01,661 --> 00:40:06,099
vehicles that have this capability
are considered connected vehicles.

628
00:40:06,101 --> 00:40:16,099
and so as the program proponent indicates
connected vehicles are like smart devices.

629
00:40:16,150 --> 00:40:17,900
and so some of the information presented

630
00:40:18,099 --> 00:40:21,659
in this brochure was
written a few years ago,

631
00:40:21,661 --> 00:40:25,460
but it's still relatively
accurate even today.

632
00:40:25,460 --> 00:40:30,460
so as of 2023 it was
estimated that by 2030,

633
00:40:30,710 --> 00:40:38,420
96% of all new cars will be globally
connected in the united states as of 2020,

634
00:40:38,420 --> 00:40:43,483
91% of the new cars sold were
connected and my understanding

635
00:40:43,484 --> 00:40:51,059
from compass is that vehicles generally
built after 2018 are connected vehicles.

636
00:40:51,110 --> 00:40:56,179
so the connected data connected vehicles
provide is known to be more accurate

637
00:40:56,329 --> 00:40:57,940
than other forms of data collection.

638
00:40:58,389 --> 00:41:00,860
I think whether you realize it or not,

639
00:41:01,010 --> 00:41:05,860
even the cell phones that you
carry, sends anonymized data

640
00:41:05,860 --> 00:41:11,260
and anonymized data
can track where you're at

641
00:41:11,409 --> 00:41:13,619
and how fast this device moves

642
00:41:14,269 --> 00:41:16,340
and it can surmise that
you're in a motor vehicle

643
00:41:16,389 --> 00:41:19,820
and that's also one of the
ways that data is collected.

644
00:41:21,420 --> 00:41:23,420
in this case, we're talking
about your car though,

645
00:41:23,849 --> 00:41:25,059
I mean newer cars.

646
00:41:25,110 --> 00:41:27,380
so the data connected vehicles provide

647
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:29,500
is known to be more
accurate than other forms

648
00:41:29,501 --> 00:41:34,219
of data collection according to
the proponent of the software.

649
00:41:34,221 --> 00:41:36,619
different sensors in
site connected vehicles

650
00:41:36,795 --> 00:41:39,900
are streaming via the cloud,
machine learning analytics

651
00:41:39,900 --> 00:41:43,139
process, the raw sensor data
and users can instantly access

652
00:41:43,190 --> 00:41:47,460
the real, the network wide and
real time vehicle data from anywhere.

653
00:41:47,460 --> 00:41:48,460
next slide please.

654
00:41:49,309 --> 00:41:52,260
and then so how is this data different

655
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:53,539
from other forms of data?

656
00:41:53,940 --> 00:41:55,820
and hopefully this will start to make sense

657
00:41:55,820 --> 00:41:59,019
in light of policy 350,
which we'll eventually get to.

658
00:41:59,539 --> 00:42:04,406
so traditionally most data
about drivers is collected using

659
00:42:04,407 --> 00:42:07,099
external hardware and you're
all familiar with tube counts.

660
00:42:07,101 --> 00:42:12,260
we've talked about that in the traffic
commission where we lie tubes across the road

661
00:42:12,460 --> 00:42:15,699
and we actually measure
the, based upon how far apart

662
00:42:15,701 --> 00:42:18,219
the tubes are, the
time it takes for the tire

663
00:42:18,221 --> 00:42:20,500
to hit the first tube
versus the second tube

664
00:42:20,849 --> 00:42:24,460
and you can calculate the speed
based upon the mathematics

665
00:42:24,460 --> 00:42:31,460
of that manual counts by people
using radar device, cameras,

666
00:42:31,460 --> 00:42:36,940
mobile phone data that I just
mentioned, external plug-in devices.

667
00:42:36,940 --> 00:42:40,539
and according to a compass, mobile data

668
00:42:40,541 --> 00:42:42,910
data sets can be
unreliable or could be

669
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,219
heavily skewed in
vehicles or multiple devices.

670
00:42:45,221 --> 00:42:48,980
so if you're in a bus or a car
with more than one person,

671
00:42:49,079 --> 00:42:51,380
hardware-reliant methods
don't offer the same level

672
00:42:51,429 --> 00:42:56,260
of granularity and large scale
hardware is difficult, expensive to scale.

673
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:58,900
I can't put light tubes everywhere.

674
00:42:59,050 --> 00:43:04,539
so it would be prohibitively cost costly
for the city to do, for anyone to do.

675
00:43:04,541 --> 00:43:05,699
next slide, please.

676
00:43:06,974 --> 00:43:14,019
so connective vehicle data from motor vehicles
also has greater coverage and accuracy

677
00:43:14,119 --> 00:43:19,019
because it also collects
other data, g-force,

678
00:43:19,195 --> 00:43:24,780
which is acceleration, breaking, swerving
travel times, timestamps, median speed,

679
00:43:24,780 --> 00:43:30,539
making model, gyroscopic, and
axis changes in latitude and longitude.

680
00:43:30,541 --> 00:43:32,179
next slide, please.

681
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:35,500
so the benefits of connective vehicle data

682
00:43:35,650 --> 00:43:40,940
for use by public agencies is
it can be proactive, granular,

683
00:43:41,039 --> 00:43:46,699
constant, and it provides
opportunities to scale.

684
00:43:46,750 --> 00:43:48,980
next slide, please.

685
00:43:49,030 --> 00:43:51,539
and so with this type of data, it leads

686
00:43:51,541 --> 00:43:55,260
to use cases across road
safety, freight origin destination,

687
00:43:55,510 --> 00:44:00,739
which is really important, really hard
to collect origin and destination data.

688
00:44:00,789 --> 00:44:04,619
the traditional method of
doing origin and destination,

689
00:44:04,920 --> 00:44:05,981
like if you want to know
how many people were

690
00:44:05,982 --> 00:44:08,579
cutting through a
neighborhood, for instance.

691
00:44:08,581 --> 00:44:12,659
you have seen in the past that
we have had cameras up on poles

692
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,420
and people have asked
me what these cameras are.

693
00:44:15,519 --> 00:44:18,260
and I had forgotten that
the cameras were out there,

694
00:44:18,260 --> 00:44:21,619
and they're just up there
for a few days at a time.

695
00:44:21,621 --> 00:44:23,219
and what that was was just basically

696
00:44:23,244 --> 00:44:28,460
to photocapture plates so that
way we could compare origin

697
00:44:28,460 --> 00:44:32,581
and destination that same plate into the
neighborhood versus left the neighborhood.

698
00:44:33,309 --> 00:44:34,420
that's what that was used for.

699
00:44:34,420 --> 00:44:38,139
asset maintenance, transport
modeling, parking capacity,

700
00:44:38,315 --> 00:44:40,420
and a variety of other
things as you can see there.

701
00:44:40,619 --> 00:44:42,179
next slide, please.

702
00:44:42,230 --> 00:44:49,260
so the software, the
claim they ingest billions

703
00:44:49,260 --> 00:44:52,500
of vehicle generated data
from connected vehicles

704
00:44:52,501 --> 00:44:56,500
and online units across multiple
makes and models means

705
00:44:56,501 --> 00:44:59,380
that the software can help
solve complex problems

706
00:44:59,380 --> 00:45:02,340
that we can't capture
everything with hardware.

707
00:45:02,340 --> 00:45:05,340
and then they're passively
collected across every road

708
00:45:05,489 --> 00:45:08,860
so this helps folks like us
make proactive decisions

709
00:45:08,860 --> 00:45:12,780
backed by data, and then I
already went over some of the data

710
00:45:13,130 --> 00:45:16,019
that it collects anonymized data.

711
00:45:16,021 --> 00:45:18,420
next slide, please.

712
00:45:18,420 --> 00:45:21,820
and there are limitations of the data.

713
00:45:21,820 --> 00:45:27,260
so at this point in time, as
I already mentioned earlier,

714
00:45:27,309 --> 00:45:33,460
not all cars provide anonymized
connected vehicle data.

715
00:45:33,510 --> 00:45:37,539
cars generally built before
2018 don't provide the data.

716
00:45:37,541 --> 00:45:40,500
and then on top of that, not all the data

717
00:45:41,349 --> 00:45:44,860
is being transmitted all the
time to the manufacturers

718
00:45:45,409 --> 00:45:50,659
and an insurance to companies
like compass as anonymized data.

719
00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:54,019
so what that means in the last sentence

720
00:45:54,570 --> 00:45:59,699
is that not all of it is,
however, for a robust analysis

721
00:46:00,050 --> 00:46:03,739
using connected vehicle
data, it commonly accepted

722
00:46:04,489 --> 00:46:07,500
that if you have a sample size of 3% to 5%,

723
00:46:07,699 --> 00:46:10,059
you're generally capturing what's going on.

724
00:46:10,061 --> 00:46:13,619
and that's true,
generally, in the real world.

725
00:46:13,621 --> 00:46:15,300
not that this is a perfect example,

726
00:46:17,050 --> 00:46:19,409
but when we do speed surveys
that are required by state law

727
00:46:20,030 --> 00:46:24,619
every seven years to establish
speed limits, 85th percentile,

728
00:46:24,795 --> 00:46:28,500
required to collect a
sample of 100 vehicles.

729
00:46:28,900 --> 00:46:32,139
that is clearly it's not
all the vehicles out there

730
00:46:32,289 --> 00:46:34,860
that travel every day or across a week.

731
00:46:34,909 --> 00:46:36,539
but that is a sample.

732
00:46:36,789 --> 00:46:40,500
and so next slide, please.

733
00:46:40,501 --> 00:46:45,260
and of course, the data,
because it's only installed

734
00:46:46,010 --> 00:46:50,539
in newer vehicles, gives
you a new car about bias.

735
00:46:50,590 --> 00:46:55,860
connected vehicles are
going to be on new vehicles.

736
00:46:56,085 --> 00:46:59,380
and so it's important to consider how

737
00:46:59,380 --> 00:47:05,659
and areas, socioeconomics may
impact the level of cd data available.

738
00:47:05,661 --> 00:47:08,860
I don't think that's a
problem here in laguna hills.

739
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,820
and then you have oems and
third party vendors and databases.

740
00:47:13,820 --> 00:47:17,460
compass is only a subset
of all connected vehicles.

741
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,079
and it should increase in scales,

742
00:47:19,869 --> 00:47:21,585
older fleets of vehicles
cycled through the population.

743
00:47:21,610 --> 00:47:24,300
next slide, please.

744
00:47:24,300 --> 00:47:25,300
if there is one.

745
00:47:30,530 --> 00:47:31,980
if there is not, next one.

746
00:47:32,030 --> 00:47:34,940
so at this point in
time, I'm going to go sit

747
00:47:34,989 --> 00:47:40,500
where robert sat, and I'm going
to show you what the program is.

748
00:47:40,579 --> 00:47:48,579
here it is right here.

749
00:47:48,581 --> 00:47:50,619
here's what we're trying to fill
down and be mindful of here.

750
00:47:50,621 --> 00:47:55,500
we had a wireless line
up, and a fire was mine.

751
00:47:55,501 --> 00:47:56,699
hope on and here, right?

752
00:48:00,139 --> 00:48:08,739
[inaudible] hello.

753
00:48:08,740 --> 00:48:10,619
does work?

754
00:48:10,621 --> 00:48:15,099
so this is not a perfect program.

755
00:48:15,101 --> 00:48:16,539
where's the mouse?

756
00:48:16,541 --> 00:48:17,420
does the mouse?

757
00:48:17,420 --> 00:48:18,460
this is the mouse.

758
00:48:25,179 --> 00:48:27,500
I'm wondering if we need
to zoom in here so what is it?

759
00:48:27,501 --> 00:48:31,820
control s. Control x.
How do you zoom in on this thing?

760
00:48:36,670 --> 00:48:37,670
yeah, let's do it.

761
00:48:37,699 --> 00:48:40,940
I'm going to do it a little bit more here.

762
00:48:41,889 --> 00:48:44,579
no, this is actually more of a problem.

763
00:48:44,581 --> 00:48:45,980
here we are.

764
00:48:46,630 --> 00:48:50,300
I don't think I can be
filled on in here today.

765
00:48:50,500 --> 00:48:54,739
so I'm going to move my
mouse here, and the mouse is--

766
00:48:54,840 --> 00:49:00,838
so I don't really care for the
way that the software breaks

767
00:49:00,839 --> 00:49:03,860
down speeds in a different
category is slower than 15.

768
00:49:04,059 --> 00:49:07,699
I'm between 15 and 40
isn't particularly helpful.

769
00:49:07,750 --> 00:49:10,260
and I'm still learning
how to use some of this.

770
00:49:10,260 --> 00:49:13,932
but what is important
here is I can do on the

771
00:49:13,933 --> 00:49:17,900
left-hand side, there is
a path analysis over here.

772
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,380
and then I can do a date selection.

773
00:49:19,380 --> 00:49:22,780
if you can see my tiny
little mouse cursor here,

774
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:27,500
it's next to date selection,
which is august 10, august 26.

775
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:37,940
and then I can click on any
street, and click on any street,

776
00:49:40,914 --> 00:49:42,099
and I can see for--

777
00:49:42,449 --> 00:49:44,059
there's an example here.

778
00:49:44,885 --> 00:49:47,659
this is a street that we've
talked about in the past

779
00:49:47,661 --> 00:49:53,139
that the 85th percentile
of the sample of cars

780
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:56,019
that have driven on
the street for the month

781
00:49:56,469 --> 00:49:59,801
between july 10 and
august 10 is 28 miles

782
00:49:59,802 --> 00:50:02,900
per hour, based upon
collected vehicle data.

783
00:50:02,900 --> 00:50:06,460
and I can do that for
any street in the city

784
00:50:06,534 --> 00:50:10,460
for most date ranges
going back a couple years.

785
00:50:10,460 --> 00:50:16,179
and I can even break it down by
days of the week and time of day.

786
00:50:16,329 --> 00:50:20,179
and so, theoretically,
here's alicia parkway

787
00:50:20,181 --> 00:50:24,860
going southbound
in front of the carl's jr.

788
00:50:24,960 --> 00:50:31,849
and in front of marshalls,
the 85th percentile is 42.

789
00:50:31,850 --> 00:50:33,900
25 miles per hour.

790
00:50:37,599 --> 00:50:41,780
here's 42.72 miles per hour.

791
00:50:41,780 --> 00:50:43,500
and then over here, people
are picking up the speed

792
00:50:43,501 --> 00:50:50,460
and past gusto and the 85th
percentile is 52 miles per hour.

793
00:50:50,460 --> 00:50:53,179
no, I would ignore that.

794
00:50:53,429 --> 00:50:58,260
that they would have gotten
that data from some other source.

795
00:50:58,469 --> 00:51:06,420
and then as you can see
here, I eat a 5th percentile.

796
00:51:06,820 --> 00:51:09,340
this is accurate here, 45 miles an hour.

797
00:51:09,389 --> 00:51:14,019
51 miles an hour on this
westbound laguna hills drive.

798
00:51:17,300 --> 00:51:22,300
and most-- not all streets
as you get down to the--

799
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,739
as you get down to a cul-de-sac,
you're not going to find

800
00:51:24,740 --> 00:51:28,820
data because there's not
enough sample of vehicles driving.

801
00:51:28,820 --> 00:51:33,420
but we could go over
here 22 miles per hour.

802
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:35,900
we can go to this street here.

803
00:51:41,670 --> 00:51:46,460
here is mustang over
here, 31 32 miles per hour.

804
00:51:49,610 --> 00:51:52,699
over here, 28 miles an
hour, 27 miles an hour.

805
00:51:52,701 --> 00:51:54,699
house of parkway would
expect to be a fast roadway,

806
00:51:54,701 --> 00:51:57,820
which it is, 85th percentile
is 57 miles an hour.

807
00:51:57,900 --> 00:52:05,900
let's see.

808
00:52:09,699 --> 00:52:13,980
west and east 38 and 41 miles
an hour on this to the a-ho there.

809
00:52:14,480 --> 00:52:17,940
but then when they're approaching
the newly implemented stop sign,

810
00:52:18,190 --> 00:52:22,699
we're at 30 on that segment on average.

811
00:52:22,701 --> 00:52:29,619
[inaudible]

812
00:52:29,621 --> 00:52:31,139
yeah, I haven't gotten to this yet.

813
00:52:31,289 --> 00:52:35,876
so what this is here,
so if I can get the

814
00:52:35,877 --> 00:52:42,900
cursor to work, these
are spots on the program.

815
00:52:42,900 --> 00:52:43,780
can I click on it?

816
00:52:43,780 --> 00:52:45,380
oh, I can just scroll my mouse.

817
00:52:45,380 --> 00:52:47,699
it's great.

818
00:52:47,701 --> 00:52:52,739
these are g-force, and I
haven't played with this a lot.

819
00:52:52,740 --> 00:52:56,539
but this is our points on the map

820
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:00,460
where the program believes people are

821
00:53:00,710 --> 00:53:05,659
experiencing hard breaking or hard turning.

822
00:53:05,860 --> 00:53:08,300
and it could be for-- it doesn't
tell you why it's occurring.

823
00:53:08,409 --> 00:53:10,539
it just shows you where it's occurring.

824
00:53:10,639 --> 00:53:14,179
it could be because
people are, in this case,

825
00:53:14,181 --> 00:53:17,139
maybe they're driving pretty
fast approaching a red light

826
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:19,340
and they are stopping too fast.

827
00:53:19,489 --> 00:53:21,780
or they-- this is a point
where maybe someone

828
00:53:21,780 --> 00:53:25,059
was about ready to
rear in someone else.

829
00:53:25,061 --> 00:53:26,780
or maybe they made a hard turn.

830
00:53:26,804 --> 00:53:28,179
or something happened over here.

831
00:53:28,181 --> 00:53:31,460
but I don't have-- I still have
to play with this program.

832
00:53:31,460 --> 00:53:35,179
not surprisingly, there's
a lot of points of g-force

833
00:53:35,181 --> 00:53:40,539
acceleration and stopping on
a near-free ways for that reason.

834
00:53:40,789 --> 00:53:45,980
sometimes you've got some
unexpected backups on southbound 5

835
00:53:46,429 --> 00:53:47,635
and it's sitting at osaparkway.

836
00:53:47,659 --> 00:53:51,739
and you're approaching stop
vehicles and you're making a hard stop.

837
00:53:56,139 --> 00:53:59,500
again, there's a lot of those
kinds of spots in near-free ways.

838
00:53:59,501 --> 00:54:07,739
but then there's also a few spots here
that are shown on our trail highways.

839
00:54:16,150 --> 00:54:24,179
and not surprisingly, we have slow speeds
within the future village at laguna hills.

840
00:54:26,179 --> 00:54:27,525
and then we can also see--
as a point of comparison,

841
00:54:27,550 --> 00:54:29,900
what's going on in
our neighboring cities

842
00:54:30,099 --> 00:54:33,940
to draw conclusions on
what maybe draw conclusions

843
00:54:33,940 --> 00:54:36,539
on what similar
neighborhoods are experiencing,

844
00:54:36,739 --> 00:54:40,260
which is also helpful, right?

845
00:54:40,260 --> 00:54:45,260
and then we have-- also, here's mill creek.

846
00:54:45,760 --> 00:54:49,219
this is southbound 34 miles an
hour and northbound 35 miles

847
00:54:50,519 --> 00:54:51,820
an hour, 85th percentile.

848
00:54:51,820 --> 00:54:59,579
[inaudible]

849
00:55:02,630 --> 00:55:05,860
so this is, no, 37 miles per hour here.

850
00:55:08,530 --> 00:55:14,380
so this is-- this legend is
different than this part here.

851
00:55:14,554 --> 00:55:21,500
so-- oh, there you go.

852
00:55:22,050 --> 00:55:24,460
so the data appears to be correct.

853
00:55:24,460 --> 00:55:27,820
I am still learning how to do
a variety of different things.

854
00:55:28,219 --> 00:55:31,380
but what we can do with
this-- this is pretty cool.

855
00:55:31,380 --> 00:55:33,619
let's see if I can do this.

856
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:37,179
sam's better at this than I am.

857
00:55:37,181 --> 00:55:38,900
unfortunately, she
couldn't be here tonight.

858
00:55:38,900 --> 00:55:42,659
let's see here.

859
00:55:42,661 --> 00:55:47,099
are we still in laguna hills?

860
00:55:47,101 --> 00:55:48,219
I think that's laguna woods.

861
00:55:48,221 --> 00:55:48,699
now we are.

862
00:55:48,701 --> 00:55:51,099
we're getting back to laguna hills.

863
00:55:51,250 --> 00:55:55,059
so one of the things that
we were working on over here

864
00:55:55,360 --> 00:56:01,179
is how many people go from
here to here, as cut through.

865
00:56:01,181 --> 00:56:04,940
so I'm going to go and
see if I can make this work.

866
00:56:04,940 --> 00:56:11,579
so I think if I do this, I draw a wow.

867
00:56:22,019 --> 00:56:26,099
and I want to say--
and now this is the path.

868
00:56:36,420 --> 00:56:44,420
oops.

869
00:56:49,969 --> 00:56:53,579
you can see the speed-- the 85th
percentile is really interested here.

870
00:56:53,829 --> 00:56:57,260
you can see-- you see the car on
the screen on the left-hand side?

871
00:56:57,409 --> 00:56:59,460
there's a little pink car I'm moving.

872
00:56:59,510 --> 00:57:03,380
so if I move my cursor here,
this shows what the speed is

873
00:57:04,179 --> 00:57:09,539
on the specific path as you
go around the-- as you traverse.

874
00:57:09,690 --> 00:57:11,460
and there was a stop sign back, I believe.

875
00:57:11,460 --> 00:57:12,699
this was when I dipped low.

876
00:57:13,125 --> 00:57:14,659
and then they go around the corner.

877
00:57:14,710 --> 00:57:16,860
so on any sample path that you choose,

878
00:57:18,460 --> 00:57:21,340
you can see where the 85th percentile is,

879
00:57:21,340 --> 00:57:23,539
and how that changes as
you go around the corner.

880
00:57:26,340 --> 00:57:28,380
and obviously, this is
connected to vehicle status.

881
00:57:29,230 --> 00:57:31,500
there's a few gaps here.

882
00:57:33,699 --> 00:57:36,019
you can see how that changes
as the car speeds up and goes

883
00:57:36,380 --> 00:57:40,139
around the corner for the
vehicle data that it did collect.

884
00:57:40,141 --> 00:57:43,019
and then what I wanted to show you, though,

885
00:57:48,139 --> 00:57:56,139
was the g4s, it's near misses.

886
00:57:57,139 --> 00:58:01,179
so there's a near miss thing
where the g4s was a near miss,

887
00:58:01,755 --> 00:58:02,795
but another motor vehicle.

888
00:58:18,739 --> 00:58:26,739
[inaudible]

889
00:58:27,239 --> 00:58:30,661
when you do the view results, is it like
you scroll down and you can see further?

890
00:58:39,059 --> 00:58:42,619
oh, thank you.

891
00:58:45,519 --> 00:58:48,739
yes, g4s, trajectory
analysis, travel times.

892
00:58:48,740 --> 00:58:52,219
but I wanted to show you was there's

893
00:58:52,244 --> 00:58:59,900
a way on here of what percentage of
vehicles are going through on that route.

894
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:01,599
and you can do that with this.

895
00:59:02,199 --> 00:59:03,199
and I did it before.

896
00:59:04,829 --> 00:59:06,005
and I'm a little bit
lost in how to do that.

897
00:59:06,030 --> 00:59:08,340
but just take my word
for it that it does work.

898
00:59:08,590 --> 00:59:12,739
as long as there's enough
connected vehicle data.

899
00:59:12,740 --> 00:59:14,820
so I wanted to demonstrate this to you.

900
00:59:14,820 --> 00:59:17,860
right now, I don't know how long we're

901
00:59:18,260 --> 00:59:21,380
going to have this information for.

902
00:59:21,530 --> 00:59:23,860
it's something occ is currently--

903
00:59:24,034 --> 00:59:25,780
orange county transportation
authority is currently

904
00:59:25,804 --> 00:59:31,219
providing the cities this on
a trial basis of that charge.

905
00:59:31,221 --> 00:59:33,021
eventually, they're
going to stop doing that.

906
00:59:33,775 --> 00:59:37,340
and they're going to ask
cities to individually pay

907
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:40,579
for the program if they find it desirable.

908
00:59:40,780 --> 00:59:43,659
I still would like to
play with it some more.

909
00:59:43,860 --> 00:59:47,059
I think there's a value in the program.

910
00:59:47,260 --> 00:59:49,900
I see the promise, at least
with some program like this,

911
00:59:49,949 --> 00:59:53,860
there are other ones where
maybe we can get away

912
00:59:53,960 --> 01:00:01,739
from using tubes in our decision-making
process about what's valid, what's not valid,

913
01:00:01,840 --> 01:00:05,260
where are the hot spots,
what's not, some like this may.

914
01:00:05,260 --> 01:00:07,260
in a meeting, just like this tonight,

915
01:00:08,010 --> 01:00:08,739
where you can sit here and in real time

916
01:00:08,989 --> 01:00:11,539
bring something up and decide if something

917
01:00:12,090 --> 01:00:16,619
is warrants for their analysis or not.

918
01:00:16,621 --> 01:00:19,500
so I think that's what I want
to get across with this thing.

919
01:00:19,501 --> 01:00:21,940
it's not a perfect
software, but it is available.

920
01:00:22,190 --> 01:00:24,380
can you download some of the results?

921
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:26,019
I believe I can.

922
01:00:26,144 --> 01:00:33,179
there are-- there's an export
data, but I've never done that.

923
01:00:34,079 --> 01:00:35,139
but it's over there.

924
01:00:35,239 --> 01:00:39,820
so I guess if we know that
the trial period is expiring,

925
01:00:39,969 --> 01:00:43,699
you can always pick some of
your hot spots like that data.

926
01:00:43,701 --> 01:00:44,300
I could do that.

927
01:00:44,300 --> 01:00:47,059
I've already looked at a
few places that have come up

928
01:00:47,159 --> 01:00:49,460
a time and time again, and the information

929
01:00:50,260 --> 01:00:52,739
is interestingly no different
than the tube counts were.

930
01:00:52,940 --> 01:01:01,500
well, within about a mile of an hour,
that was my focus here, was this area here

931
01:01:01,750 --> 01:01:03,510
to see if the information
was any different.

932
01:01:03,550 --> 01:01:05,416
I didn't find really
any information that

933
01:01:05,516 --> 01:01:08,340
was different than
what has been presented.

934
01:01:08,340 --> 01:01:11,019
that's how I kind of
validated the model, I suppose,

935
01:01:12,170 --> 01:01:15,500
was we did this survey multiple times,

936
01:01:15,599 --> 01:01:18,300
and the information is basically the same.

937
01:01:18,300 --> 01:01:21,659
so that's what gave me some confidence.

938
01:01:22,385 --> 01:01:24,100
thank you for asking the
question about whether

939
01:01:24,124 --> 01:01:26,860
or not this was validated
and useful or not.

940
01:01:35,949 --> 01:01:39,380
so after you cover this part,
we're going to be covering the 350.

941
01:01:39,380 --> 01:01:43,900
so while we're here
with the application open,

942
01:01:44,125 --> 01:01:47,019
I'm going to ask if
commissioners have any questions

943
01:01:47,219 --> 01:01:49,900
specifically about the application.

944
01:01:49,900 --> 01:01:52,420
mr. [inaudible] I think yes.

945
01:01:52,769 --> 01:01:54,539
I have a few.

946
01:01:54,889 --> 01:01:59,579
it's pulling off the vehicle information
of being a connected vehicle.

947
01:01:59,679 --> 01:02:02,659
is it also able to pull off
the owner information

948
01:02:03,210 --> 01:02:05,619
and is the security
features behind that as well?

949
01:02:05,621 --> 01:02:07,820
no, I can't do that.

950
01:02:07,820 --> 01:02:10,659
the only information I can see
is the one here on the screen.

951
01:02:10,710 --> 01:02:15,739
so this is a view-only program.

952
01:02:15,740 --> 01:02:19,380
so I don't have any
access to any data behind it.

953
01:02:19,380 --> 01:02:23,500
I am informed that this is anonymized data.

954
01:02:23,501 --> 01:02:26,940
so I'm not capable of getting
down to the granular level

955
01:02:27,690 --> 01:02:32,940
of making model of vehicles
that provided the data.

956
01:02:32,940 --> 01:02:34,699
if that was your question.

957
01:02:34,701 --> 01:02:38,619
yeah, I mean, it said that it
does show that different vehicles.

958
01:02:38,621 --> 01:02:43,539
but looking at it for several
different reasons, obviously,

959
01:02:43,940 --> 01:02:48,820
if we see a repetitive
pattern of a certain vehicle,

960
01:02:49,170 --> 01:02:51,940
the owner, it's repetitive for speeding,

961
01:02:52,090 --> 01:02:54,460
repetitive of where they park.

962
01:02:54,809 --> 01:02:57,980
it could be helpful service if
this was adaptable or tweakable

963
01:02:58,130 --> 01:03:00,980
in the program that we
can see repetitive cars

964
01:03:01,380 --> 01:03:03,980
where they're parking on
streets to help us with data

965
01:03:05,079 --> 01:03:06,840
that we can say, hey,
this is a hotspot area

966
01:03:08,210 --> 01:03:08,900
where they are continuing to be non-mobile.

967
01:03:09,000 --> 01:03:10,820
they're parking here
and do they live there?

968
01:03:10,820 --> 01:03:13,179
do they live in the apartment complexes?

969
01:03:13,181 --> 01:03:15,739
that would be something
that if it's tweakable,

970
01:03:16,340 --> 01:03:18,739
I think it would be a
great opportunity for us,

971
01:03:18,740 --> 01:03:23,780
also seeing that with
police services as well.

972
01:03:23,829 --> 01:03:26,380
you also noted that this
is a cause of a program.

973
01:03:27,255 --> 01:03:28,420
is it going to be a
licensing-based program?

974
01:03:28,420 --> 01:03:33,380
or do we know how that will line up?

975
01:03:37,719 --> 01:03:44,019
right now, occa held occa gave compass,

976
01:03:44,070 --> 01:03:48,500
the director of public works
contact information for every city.

977
01:03:48,550 --> 01:03:53,460
and then compass, in turn,
contacted me a few months ago

978
01:03:53,460 --> 01:03:56,780
and offered to give a presentation, and
I honestly didn't even know what it was.

979
01:03:56,780 --> 01:04:00,900
I just, I got an email and I thought it
was on a sales pitch and it kind of was.

980
01:04:01,074 --> 01:04:03,133
except they said, wait a
second, wait a second, this is truly

981
01:04:03,134 --> 01:04:06,420
free and I'm like, not, I
can't be free, you know, right?

982
01:04:06,469 --> 01:04:08,260
you know, like, no, no,
somebody else paid for this.

983
01:04:08,260 --> 01:04:09,139
I'm like, oh, okay.

984
01:04:09,141 --> 01:04:12,980
so I took the call and
then had the appointment

985
01:04:13,130 --> 01:04:16,860
and sam and I met with them and they said,

986
01:04:18,635 --> 01:04:19,500
what would you, you know, we can give you

987
01:04:19,501 --> 01:04:23,126
only city staff and give
you, you know, a couple of

988
01:04:23,127 --> 01:04:26,980
licenses which is just your
username and password.

989
01:04:27,255 --> 01:04:31,139
and so as of right now, I
don't know what the licensing

990
01:04:31,141 --> 01:04:34,019
even looks like 'cause
right now it's complimentary.

991
01:04:34,570 --> 01:04:37,139
so when it does kind of
time to actually adopt this

992
01:04:39,239 --> 01:04:41,780
into usage, assuming there
will become a licensing fee for us.

993
01:04:41,869 --> 01:04:44,340
assuming at some point in
time, look at the cost value

994
01:04:44,690 --> 01:04:50,699
of what the current traditional surveys cost
for the tubing in relation to unlimited,

995
01:04:50,701 --> 01:04:54,659
multiple opportunities
to be live and a meeting

996
01:04:54,661 --> 01:04:56,320
and be able to see
what's happening in the

997
01:04:56,321 --> 01:04:58,260
opportunity is something
that we need to consider.

998
01:04:58,260 --> 01:05:00,780
- I think I won't call it priceless.

999
01:05:00,780 --> 01:05:04,780
this sounds like a master card commercial
but I mean it sounds priceless to me.

1000
01:05:04,780 --> 01:05:05,619
- thank you.

1001
01:05:05,621 --> 01:05:06,460
- agreed.

1002
01:05:06,460 --> 01:05:07,780
- thank you, that's all I have.

1003
01:05:07,780 --> 01:05:08,619
- okay.

1004
01:05:08,621 --> 01:05:09,940
- are you stupid or nothing?

1005
01:05:09,940 --> 01:05:10,940
- yeah.

1006
01:05:12,130 --> 01:05:13,219
- not on this.

1007
01:05:14,570 --> 01:05:15,659
just a few things.

1008
01:05:16,789 --> 01:05:22,619
so currently right now, the
cities have access to this data.

1009
01:05:23,409 --> 01:05:31,059
it just seems like such a
wonderful wealth of information.

1010
01:05:31,260 --> 01:05:36,780
I'm just amazed, it's a lot of folks

1011
01:05:36,905 --> 01:05:43,980
they're concerned about
us putting cameras out there

1012
01:05:44,179 --> 01:05:46,539
to collect data and
then I look at all this data

1013
01:05:46,541 --> 01:05:51,539
and they don't even realize
their car is transmitting data.

1014
01:05:51,541 --> 01:05:58,940
currently, does our police
services take advantage

1015
01:05:58,940 --> 01:06:03,940
of any of this data to find
hotspots or anything like that?

1016
01:06:04,389 --> 01:06:09,500
- I have not had an opportunity to sit down

1017
01:06:09,775 --> 01:06:15,539
with the motor deputies or with our police
chief to go through this, that's on me.

1018
01:06:15,541 --> 01:06:17,619
I'm still learning a
little bit how to use it,

1019
01:06:17,621 --> 01:06:20,139
sort of like train the
trainer kind of program.

1020
01:06:20,141 --> 01:06:23,300
so I wanted to go
through and actually learn a

1021
01:06:23,301 --> 01:06:27,340
little bit more how to use
this and again, do some,

1022
01:06:27,340 --> 01:06:30,699
again, comparisons with some
of our past traffic engineering

1023
01:06:30,701 --> 01:06:34,300
reports and really
verify the validity of that.

1024
01:06:34,849 --> 01:06:36,699
I think part of what I wanted
to get out of the traffic

1025
01:06:36,701 --> 01:06:38,980
emissions tonight when
it sounds like you already

1026
01:06:38,981 --> 01:06:41,860
have a lot of interest in
it is how much of a tool

1027
01:06:41,860 --> 01:06:44,059
do you see this to be
and how much, you know,

1028
01:06:44,061 --> 01:06:45,918
what kind of effort should
we put into this and this

1029
01:06:45,942 --> 01:06:48,059
sounds like we should
put a lot of effort into it?

1030
01:06:48,061 --> 01:06:52,059
- real quickly from our police chief, sir.

1031
01:06:52,860 --> 01:06:55,059
- yes, hello, just wanted to comment.

1032
01:06:55,061 --> 01:06:59,059
no, we do not use this software
to find speeders at this time.

1033
01:06:59,061 --> 01:07:03,059
we base our enforcement
on where collisions occur

1034
01:07:03,110 --> 01:07:09,059
in the city and we try to do our enforcement
in that area to curb those collisions.

1035
01:07:09,061 --> 01:07:12,059
so, just wanted to-- thank you.

1036
01:07:12,061 --> 01:07:14,059
I appreciate this.

1037
01:07:14,061 --> 01:07:18,333
it sounds like from the
commission unless I'm getting

1038
01:07:18,334 --> 01:07:24,059
this wrong that there's a
lot of interest in this tool.

1039
01:07:24,360 --> 01:07:27,972
it's an amazing amount
of data that we're

1040
01:07:27,973 --> 01:07:32,059
getting here and depending
on how you analyze it.

1041
01:07:32,061 --> 01:07:36,059
I mean, even the tool that you showed
where you draw the line down one street

1042
01:07:36,061 --> 01:07:42,059
and then another street and you can see
if there's any cross-through traffic going

1043
01:07:42,061 --> 01:07:52,059
in that neighborhood and you can analyze
that is a wonderful tool and the fact

1044
01:07:52,210 --> 01:07:57,059
that cars that are 2018 and older or newer

1045
01:07:57,409 --> 01:08:01,059
are putting out this kind of data,

1046
01:08:01,409 --> 01:08:06,059
which is very significant,
very significant.

1047
01:08:06,559 --> 01:08:08,059
- did you have something, neil?

1048
01:08:08,210 --> 01:08:10,059
- just had a quick question.

1049
01:08:10,061 --> 01:08:14,059
so, it was the concern
from our police services

1050
01:08:14,659 --> 01:08:18,060
that is it technically using
this kind of real time data

1051
01:08:18,060 --> 01:08:22,060
or data from after the fact
considered like speed trap

1052
01:08:22,460 --> 01:08:25,060
where you're trying to monitor traffic?

1053
01:08:25,609 --> 01:08:29,060
- no sir, there's no
concern from us at this point

1054
01:08:29,460 --> 01:08:32,060
as far as I know I haven't
contacted legal or anything,

1055
01:08:32,109 --> 01:08:34,060
but just speaking from
myself from what I know

1056
01:08:34,159 --> 01:08:37,060
on using this type of software, in fact,

1057
01:08:37,409 --> 01:08:40,060
it may be something that we could look at

1058
01:08:40,060 --> 01:08:43,060
in the future and see where
the trends of speeding are.

1059
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,060
like we would have no problem with that,

1060
01:08:46,260 --> 01:08:51,060
but it's not a sheriff's
department data system,

1061
01:08:51,260 --> 01:08:54,060
so it's before using it, it's
something that we would look into

1062
01:08:54,060 --> 01:08:59,060
whether it's appropriate to use for
enforcement purposes, you know what I mean?

1063
01:09:00,760 --> 01:09:03,060
but it looks like it looks
very interesting to me.

1064
01:09:04,260 --> 01:09:05,270
I can see where the
speeders are and things

1065
01:09:05,294 --> 01:09:07,060
like that might be
some places to hang out,

1066
01:09:07,060 --> 01:09:09,140
and I can almost guarantee
that some of those places

1067
01:09:09,260 --> 01:09:17,060
are where our collisions are occurring,
you know, at the speeding areas.

1068
01:09:17,210 --> 01:09:19,060
- and then mr. Ames, just a quick question.

1069
01:09:19,060 --> 01:09:22,060
so, is this even able to kind of detect

1070
01:09:22,234 --> 01:09:28,060
if like a signal like a stoplight is
mistimed, causing like backup?

1071
01:09:28,060 --> 01:09:29,060
no, okay.

1072
01:09:29,159 --> 01:09:31,060
- no, it doesn't do anything.

1073
01:09:31,060 --> 01:09:34,060
it doesn't monitor queuing,
unfortunately, that I'm aware of.

1074
01:09:34,159 --> 01:09:36,060
it doesn't monitor
queuing that I'm aware of.

1075
01:09:36,060 --> 01:09:40,060
- okay.

1076
01:09:40,060 --> 01:09:45,060
are you seeking direction from the
commission to recommend to the city council

1077
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:49,060
to pursue a subscription
to this type of data?

1078
01:09:49,060 --> 01:09:51,060
- no, I wasn't looking at that.

1079
01:09:51,109 --> 01:09:56,060
I think where I wanted to go with
this was the reason why this came up

1080
01:09:56,385 --> 01:10:01,123
at the april 30th
meeting, it was in context

1081
01:10:01,124 --> 01:10:06,060
with the residential
streets management policy.

1082
01:10:06,935 --> 01:10:08,060
and so the answer is maybe,

1083
01:10:08,234 --> 01:10:11,060
but the larger context
that I wanted to give

1084
01:10:11,185 --> 01:10:15,060
was we currently, in our residential

1085
01:10:15,310 --> 01:10:18,060
streets management policy,
have this iterative process.

1086
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:21,060
and part of the iterative process
is the data collection effort.

1087
01:10:21,060 --> 01:10:22,060
- yeah.

1088
01:10:22,210 --> 01:10:27,060
- I guess I would like to
see, if for my two cents,

1089
01:10:27,060 --> 01:10:29,060
I would like to be able
to use a tool like this

1090
01:10:29,060 --> 01:10:35,060
so that whether or not that data collection
effort should even be done to start with

1091
01:10:35,409 --> 01:10:37,060
as sort of a screening tool.

1092
01:10:37,060 --> 01:10:39,060
- so you would like to
hear from the commission

1093
01:10:39,460 --> 01:10:44,060
if there is interest in
pursuing this application.

1094
01:10:44,359 --> 01:10:47,060
so I don't know if we
need to take a vote on that,

1095
01:10:47,310 --> 01:10:50,060
but I think I'm hearing a positive response

1096
01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:52,060
from all the commissioners

1097
01:10:52,460 --> 01:10:56,060
that we would like to
pursue this application.

1098
01:10:56,060 --> 01:11:04,060
- okay, I think we'll just take it at that
because when and if the freebie stops

1099
01:11:04,310 --> 01:11:08,060
we'll have to then
budget it in our it budget,

1100
01:11:08,760 --> 01:11:11,060
like every other software
we normally subscribe to.

1101
01:11:11,609 --> 01:11:13,130
so I'll just take that for what it is.

1102
01:11:13,909 --> 01:11:17,691
and then I would next
like to talk about the

1103
01:11:17,692 --> 01:11:21,060
actual policy 350 because
there was ambits swing

1104
01:11:21,460 --> 01:11:24,060
getting to the commissioner's
thoughts on edits.

1105
01:11:24,460 --> 01:11:28,060
there was an interim question about
what is this 32 to 34 mile an hour thing?

1106
01:11:28,060 --> 01:11:29,060
- right, right.

1107
01:11:29,060 --> 01:11:31,060
- so I kind of wanted to
go, my binder's over there,

1108
01:11:31,210 --> 01:11:36,060
so I'm gonna go back over there and then
I'm gonna try to explain what that was.

1109
01:11:36,060 --> 01:11:38,060
- do you have something
else on the software?

1110
01:11:38,159 --> 01:11:40,060
- more like the 350, you know,

1111
01:11:41,359 --> 01:11:44,060
could we just easily add in a
section g under data collection?

1112
01:11:44,060 --> 01:11:45,060
- so we're gonna get to the edits.

1113
01:11:45,060 --> 01:11:46,060
- yeah.

1114
01:11:46,159 --> 01:11:48,060
- we're gonna get to the edits.

1115
01:11:48,060 --> 01:11:49,060
- yeah.

1116
01:11:49,060 --> 01:11:51,060
- yes.

1117
01:11:52,210 --> 01:11:56,060
- I haven't heard the word
fill down a hue like in forever,

1118
01:11:56,310 --> 01:11:58,060
but I know exactly who he is.

1119
01:12:01,409 --> 01:12:02,060
- you might have had an area to do.

1120
01:12:02,060 --> 01:12:04,060
(laughing)

1121
01:12:06,659 --> 01:12:13,060
- so, policy 350.

1122
01:12:13,359 --> 01:12:20,060
so there was a lot of
conversation about the paragraph.

1123
01:12:21,109 --> 01:12:25,948
where is 32 to 34 miles
an hour come in as an

1124
01:12:25,949 --> 01:12:32,060
acceptable range of
speeds on a 25 mile an hour,

1125
01:12:32,210 --> 01:12:35,060
either posted roadway
or a de facto speed limit

1126
01:12:35,310 --> 01:12:37,060
on a residential street?

1127
01:12:37,609 --> 01:12:40,440
and so the answer
is actually within the

1128
01:12:40,441 --> 01:12:43,060
paragraph and you have
to read it a few times.

1129
01:12:43,260 --> 01:12:46,060
it's a kind of get what
it's trying to say to you.

1130
01:12:46,060 --> 01:12:49,060
so I'm gonna read it to you
and then I'm gonna tell you

1131
01:12:49,359 --> 01:12:51,060
really what that means.

1132
01:12:51,060 --> 01:12:52,060
- from an engineering perspective.

1133
01:12:52,060 --> 01:12:55,060
- page page 32, 36 of your agenda packet.

1134
01:12:55,085 --> 01:13:00,060
page four of the city
council policy number 350.

1135
01:13:00,060 --> 01:13:01,060
- okay.

1136
01:13:05,560 --> 01:13:09,060
so, I will read it to you.

1137
01:13:09,310 --> 01:13:12,060
so through numerous
studies of traffic speeds

1138
01:13:12,409 --> 01:13:18,060
on residential streets in the city, it has
been found that the typical prevailing

1139
01:13:18,260 --> 01:13:23,060
traffic speed range is between
32 and 34 miles per hour.

1140
01:13:23,260 --> 01:13:28,060
now, we just clicked on
some streets on compass

1141
01:13:28,260 --> 01:13:32,060
and I am seeing 85th
percentile's at 28 miles an hour,

1142
01:13:32,710 --> 01:13:34,270
27 miles an hour on some of the streets

1143
01:13:34,560 --> 01:13:38,060
and we've also been looking at

1144
01:13:39,060 --> 01:13:46,060
some streets where the 85th
percentile is, 31, 33 miles per hour.

1145
01:13:46,510 --> 01:13:49,060
so keep that in mind.

1146
01:13:49,210 --> 01:13:51,415
and so the prevailing
speed is the speed at

1147
01:13:51,465 --> 01:13:55,060
which 85% of the
motorists drive at or below.

1148
01:13:55,760 --> 01:13:58,821
and the next sentence is,
if motorists are driving on a

1149
01:13:58,822 --> 01:14:03,060
residential street in that
32 to 34 mile an hour range,

1150
01:14:03,810 --> 01:14:09,060
because the author at the time of writing
this said that based upon the traffic,

1151
01:14:09,685 --> 01:14:14,060
the studies conducted around that time

1152
01:14:14,210 --> 01:14:19,060
that the results of the residential request

1153
01:14:19,159 --> 01:14:22,060
for, you know, redoing speeds,

1154
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,060
the 85th percentile
came back a lot of times

1155
01:14:25,409 --> 01:14:27,060
as 32 to 34 miles an hour.

1156
01:14:27,210 --> 01:14:29,060
that's what the author is trying to say.

1157
01:14:29,159 --> 01:14:33,060
and the author is saying
that if they are doing so safely

1158
01:14:33,060 --> 01:14:38,060
as evidenced by the lack of documented
speed-related traffic collisions.

1159
01:14:39,609 --> 01:14:42,060
so we first have to accept
that the speed studies

1160
01:14:42,060 --> 01:14:47,060
coming back should the
85th percentile on a residential

1161
01:14:47,060 --> 01:14:51,060
street has been coming back
by the city's own traffic studies

1162
01:14:51,210 --> 01:14:54,060
of 32 to 34 miles per hour.

1163
01:14:54,359 --> 01:14:56,729
and the study found
that there were not any

1164
01:14:56,779 --> 01:15:01,060
traffic collisions reported
in a five-year period.

1165
01:15:02,109 --> 01:15:03,944
and a field review of the
location, and that reveal any

1166
01:15:03,969 --> 01:15:09,060
unusual conditions raising
other concerns for traffic safety.

1167
01:15:09,659 --> 01:15:12,060
then that speed range
will not automatically trigger

1168
01:15:12,284 --> 01:15:14,060
implementation as policy.

1169
01:15:15,159 --> 01:15:19,060
so what the author is,
I believe, trying to say

1170
01:15:19,609 --> 01:15:22,060
is that if the majority of your speeds

1171
01:15:22,359 --> 01:15:25,060
being reported on a residential street,

1172
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:29,060
85th percentile, or 32 to 34 miles an hour,

1173
01:15:29,510 --> 01:15:33,060
and those studies have found that
there are no documented collisions,

1174
01:15:34,159 --> 01:15:38,060
and there are no other
extenuating circumstances,

1175
01:15:38,409 --> 01:15:41,060
then it's something that
doesn't need to be addressed.

1176
01:15:41,060 --> 01:15:48,060
that's-- that's-- unless
you've got a ticket.

1177
01:15:48,060 --> 01:15:49,060
what's that?

1178
01:15:49,060 --> 01:15:50,060
unless you've got a ticket.

1179
01:15:50,060 --> 01:15:52,060
unless you've got a ticket.

1180
01:15:52,659 --> 01:15:55,060
accordingly, actions to
address speeding issues

1181
01:15:55,159 --> 01:15:58,060
on residential streets
will only be recommended

1182
01:15:58,409 --> 01:16:00,336
when the prevailing
speed of traffic on the street

1183
01:16:00,359 --> 01:16:04,060
has been then found to be
greater than 32 to 34 miles per hour,

1184
01:16:04,984 --> 01:16:07,060
or other unusual conditions
exist on the roadway

1185
01:16:07,710 --> 01:16:09,069
that raise traffic safety concerns

1186
01:16:10,260 --> 01:16:13,060
as determined by the traffic engineer.

1187
01:16:13,710 --> 01:16:18,060
so without having had the
benefit of the compass data,

1188
01:16:18,510 --> 01:16:22,060
but after having done many, many studies

1189
01:16:22,060 --> 01:16:28,060
based upon many complaints
of speeding in neighborhoods,

1190
01:16:28,609 --> 01:16:33,060
the author has found that none of the--

1191
01:16:33,210 --> 01:16:38,060
but even though it was
above 25 miles per hour,

1192
01:16:38,260 --> 01:16:41,060
based upon the lack of
documented traffic collisions

1193
01:16:42,260 --> 01:16:45,060
or other things that would
indicate there's a problem,

1194
01:16:45,060 --> 01:16:49,060
there doesn't need to be any
further work or physical devices

1195
01:16:49,710 --> 01:16:54,060
or any further consideration made because
that is the 85th percentile on the roadway.

1196
01:16:54,659 --> 01:16:57,060
that is the 85th percentile
that I wish everybody else.

1197
01:16:57,210 --> 01:17:02,060
it's a network-wide speed.

1198
01:17:02,284 --> 01:17:05,060
and so therefore, you need to
draw a line somewhere of what

1199
01:17:05,260 --> 01:17:07,060
is acceptable and what is not acceptable.

1200
01:17:07,060 --> 01:17:10,060
the author has written that this--

1201
01:17:10,635 --> 01:17:13,060
and then it was later
adopted by the city council

1202
01:17:13,210 --> 01:17:18,060
that this line is the 32
to 34 mile an hour line.

1203
01:17:18,859 --> 01:17:21,060
I guess I would submit-- I don't have any--

1204
01:17:21,060 --> 01:17:25,060
so that's just my
interpretation of what this is.

1205
01:17:25,135 --> 01:17:28,060
but I would submit that
the next part of the question

1206
01:17:28,109 --> 01:17:35,060
from april 30th was, does that line
need to be moved up, down, or left alone?

1207
01:17:35,260 --> 01:17:41,060
and I would say that up until now
we've never had a software like compass

1208
01:17:41,159 --> 01:17:47,060
to tell us if we move the line
up or down as a line of concern,

1209
01:17:47,159 --> 01:17:55,060
how many more or less streets
would then be of concern in this policy,

1210
01:17:55,460 --> 01:17:57,060
which would warrant action?

1211
01:17:57,210 --> 01:18:02,060
so that's the data I don't have for you
because I just don't have the data yet.

1212
01:18:02,060 --> 01:18:03,060
ok.

1213
01:18:03,060 --> 01:18:05,060
I have a question.

1214
01:18:05,060 --> 01:18:06,060
yes.

1215
01:18:06,460 --> 01:18:09,345
so on that-- so the basis
for the 305 is not about

1216
01:18:09,395 --> 01:18:12,109
speeding or breaking
the law, the speed limit.

1217
01:18:15,060 --> 01:18:19,060
it is purely about whether we
need to regulate the speed of travel

1218
01:18:19,510 --> 01:18:21,060
on that for a very safe passage.

1219
01:18:22,135 --> 01:18:29,060
the purpose of 350 is about
the threshold at which you

1220
01:18:29,260 --> 01:18:37,060
install additional traffic control
devices to affect the-- yes.

1221
01:18:37,060 --> 01:18:38,060
I think we're in an agreement.

1222
01:18:38,060 --> 01:18:38,060
that's fine.

1223
01:18:38,260 --> 01:18:41,060
I'm going to clear up this on my
past comment about getting a ticket.

1224
01:18:41,060 --> 01:18:42,060
yeah.

1225
01:18:42,060 --> 01:18:48,060
so this is about traffic control
devices and when is it appropriate

1226
01:18:48,159 --> 01:18:54,060
or recommended to start installing traffic
control devices because there's an outlier.

1227
01:18:54,460 --> 01:19:00,060
the roadway is an outlier and the otherwise
network of roads and laguna hills.

1228
01:19:00,060 --> 01:19:01,060
ok.

1229
01:19:01,060 --> 01:19:02,060
thank you for the clarification.

1230
01:19:02,060 --> 01:19:03,060
yeah.

1231
01:19:03,060 --> 01:19:04,100
let me do this real quick.

1232
01:19:04,260 --> 01:19:06,567
so we can stay to the
format and just touch

1233
01:19:06,579 --> 01:19:09,060
all the bases before
we get to the discussion.

1234
01:19:09,359 --> 01:19:14,060
so does that conclude
the staff report at this time?

1235
01:19:14,060 --> 01:19:15,060
yes, it does.

1236
01:19:15,060 --> 01:19:16,060
ok.

1237
01:19:16,060 --> 01:19:18,060
all right.

1238
01:19:18,060 --> 01:19:19,060
ok.

1239
01:19:21,260 --> 01:19:25,525
so at this point, we're
going to go to commissioner

1240
01:19:25,537 --> 01:19:29,060
questions for staff
on any of these items.

1241
01:19:29,409 --> 01:19:34,060
and then we'll also ask for public
comment on this agenda item.

1242
01:19:35,159 --> 01:19:39,097
so are there any questions
for staff at this point based

1243
01:19:39,109 --> 01:19:43,060
on the items that we've
covered during the staff report?

1244
01:19:43,159 --> 01:19:46,060
yeah, the question.

1245
01:19:46,060 --> 01:19:49,060
why is it at 85 percentile?

1246
01:19:50,060 --> 01:19:52,060
it's just like the 32, 34.

1247
01:19:52,060 --> 01:19:54,060
why do we pick?

1248
01:19:57,159 --> 01:20:00,060
because if you increase your decrease it,

1249
01:20:01,060 --> 01:20:09,060
you know, it have pretty significant
ramifications on where you put.

1250
01:20:13,859 --> 01:20:17,323
I'm just asking why
the 85th percentile is

1251
01:20:17,335 --> 01:20:21,060
the traffic engineering
world also state law,

1252
01:20:21,109 --> 01:20:25,060
based on what you establish
speed limits on other roadways.

1253
01:20:25,859 --> 01:20:29,060
so the presumption is rightly or wrong,

1254
01:20:29,060 --> 01:20:35,060
that 85% of the drivers
on the roadway are driving.

1255
01:20:36,159 --> 01:20:43,060
samely, I suppose, and 15%
are driving maybe not as well.

1256
01:20:44,060 --> 01:20:47,060
and so I have to do a
literature review on that.

1257
01:20:47,310 --> 01:20:50,729
but the 85th percentile is the
line at which you decide where

1258
01:20:50,741 --> 01:20:54,060
the threshold should be for
establishment of a speed limit,

1259
01:20:55,260 --> 01:20:59,320
which is the reason why we
do our speed limit surveys every

1260
01:20:59,332 --> 01:21:03,060
seven years for establishing
speed limits on roadways.

1261
01:21:04,460 --> 01:21:08,060
and we actually have to go through on
arterial highways and collector roadways,

1262
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:12,060
and actually do the sample of the
hundred cars that I talked about earlier,

1263
01:21:12,810 --> 01:21:18,060
and then that in turn informs and
recommends where speed limits should be set.

1264
01:21:19,109 --> 01:21:22,995
so it's that same sort of
idea that the acceptable

1265
01:21:23,007 --> 01:21:27,060
speed at which people
drive is that 85th percentile,

1266
01:21:27,460 --> 01:21:30,558
because it's just
been practice, and it's

1267
01:21:30,570 --> 01:21:34,060
been that practice for
long before I was here.

1268
01:21:34,359 --> 01:21:37,724
so that's my answer right now,
but I'm happy to get back to you

1269
01:21:37,736 --> 01:21:41,060
with more information on why
the benefit of the sample is set.

1270
01:21:45,659 --> 01:21:50,060
I was curious, it's things come into
practice and never kind of get looked at.

1271
01:21:50,810 --> 01:21:54,060
so I'm happy to provide more
information and some traffic commission.

1272
01:21:54,260 --> 01:21:56,060
and I'm sure it's a state.

1273
01:21:56,060 --> 01:21:57,060
it is.

1274
01:21:57,710 --> 01:22:01,060
so 85th percentile number is a
state thing for setting speed limits.

1275
01:22:01,560 --> 01:22:04,060
why 85th percentile came in a practice?

1276
01:22:04,710 --> 01:22:06,060
I would need to do a little chance of that.

1277
01:22:06,060 --> 01:22:08,060
some study.

1278
01:22:08,710 --> 01:22:10,060
so many came up with the numbers.

1279
01:22:10,060 --> 01:22:13,060
I'm going to happen in
1970 and several of it now.

1280
01:22:13,060 --> 01:22:14,060
sure.

1281
01:22:14,060 --> 01:22:17,060
[inaudible]

1282
01:22:17,060 --> 01:22:19,060
yeah, just, it was a question.

1283
01:22:19,159 --> 01:22:22,258
so any other specific questions,
we're going to go through

1284
01:22:22,270 --> 01:22:25,060
the questions then we're
going to ask for, you know,

1285
01:22:25,159 --> 01:22:29,060
the formal public comment, and
then we'll come back to discussion.

1286
01:22:31,609 --> 01:22:32,809
that's pretty much
where we're going to do a

1287
01:22:32,821 --> 01:22:34,060
lot of the heavy lifting
on this agenda item,

1288
01:22:34,060 --> 01:22:37,060
including the edits
and all those things.

1289
01:22:37,510 --> 01:22:41,060
so any other more specific
questions on this item?

1290
01:22:41,060 --> 01:22:42,060
okay.

1291
01:22:42,060 --> 01:22:47,060
clerk, are there any public
comments on this agenda item?

1292
01:22:47,060 --> 01:22:48,060
no, they're not.

1293
01:22:48,060 --> 01:22:50,060
and there are no electronic comments.

1294
01:22:50,060 --> 01:22:51,060
okay.

1295
01:22:51,060 --> 01:22:52,060
thank you so much.

1296
01:22:52,909 --> 01:22:59,060
okay. We're going to bring it back to
the commission for discussion and edits.

1297
01:22:59,260 --> 01:23:03,010
and I had just, just
as an overview, just

1298
01:23:03,022 --> 01:23:07,060
actually speaking to
what you just said was,

1299
01:23:07,060 --> 01:23:12,060
I just had something I wanted to say
as we go into the discussion and edits.

1300
01:23:13,060 --> 01:23:21,060
and that is, so the policy was
created in '95 and the last refresh on it.

1301
01:23:21,109 --> 01:23:25,060
was august 28th, 2018.

1302
01:23:25,460 --> 01:23:30,060
so since then, many
changes have taken place.

1303
01:23:30,060 --> 01:23:33,060
we have more population.

1304
01:23:33,210 --> 01:23:36,060
we have permit parking impacts.

1305
01:23:36,060 --> 01:23:38,060
we now have e-bikes.

1306
01:23:38,859 --> 01:23:42,060
we have new developments
that are coming into the city.

1307
01:23:42,060 --> 01:23:46,060
we have a lot more behavior
that's connected with parking.

1308
01:23:46,609 --> 01:23:50,557
even the way that we maintain
our streets has been impacted

1309
01:23:50,569 --> 01:23:54,060
with the cycle of how
we're maintaining our streets.

1310
01:23:56,060 --> 01:24:00,111
because of the fiber install
that we did here in the city, a lot

1311
01:24:00,123 --> 01:24:04,060
of our streets look very
interesting right now as a patchwork.

1312
01:24:04,159 --> 01:24:12,060
and so, as was just mentioned, the
policy was created in that timestamp.

1313
01:24:12,510 --> 01:24:16,060
2018 was the refresh on that.

1314
01:24:16,060 --> 01:24:21,060
so obviously, we're here to look at,
you know, what would the edits be?

1315
01:24:21,060 --> 01:24:24,060
how can we make this policy better?

1316
01:24:24,210 --> 01:24:28,252
even looking at the
software tonight is a major

1317
01:24:28,264 --> 01:24:32,060
addition to how the
policy could be treated.

1318
01:24:37,560 --> 01:24:41,257
so, all that being said,
it's been eight years

1319
01:24:41,269 --> 01:24:45,060
since the city council
has touched this policy.

1320
01:24:45,409 --> 01:24:51,060
so, they're probably not even
aware that this policy needs updates.

1321
01:24:51,260 --> 01:24:55,148
so, all that being said, we're
going to go ahead and bring

1322
01:24:55,159 --> 01:24:59,060
it back to the commissioners
for discussion and for edits.

1323
01:24:59,060 --> 01:25:03,060
would you like to, should
we just start with the edits?

1324
01:25:03,710 --> 01:25:08,060
and we can start creating a list of those.

1325
01:25:08,060 --> 01:25:11,060
I think that would be helpful.

1326
01:25:11,159 --> 01:25:16,060
I think it would also be helpful
to discuss why you're making edits.

1327
01:25:16,060 --> 01:25:17,060
why, okay.

1328
01:25:19,060 --> 01:25:23,011
with the recommendations
that you would be making, I'd

1329
01:25:23,023 --> 01:25:27,060
like to know the why so
that way I can provide context.

1330
01:25:27,659 --> 01:25:32,060
okay. And I also wanted to state,
you know, this was on our last agenda.

1331
01:25:32,060 --> 01:25:36,060
and mr. Caputo, he couldn't
make it to that meeting.

1332
01:25:36,109 --> 01:25:38,060
and it was unanimous.

1333
01:25:38,060 --> 01:25:41,060
we didn't want to do this without you.

1334
01:25:41,060 --> 01:25:42,060
yeah.

1335
01:25:42,060 --> 01:25:43,060
yeah.

1336
01:25:44,060 --> 01:25:48,047
it was important because we
realized that you were putting work

1337
01:25:48,060 --> 01:25:52,060
into this and into what, into
what those edits would look like.

1338
01:25:52,060 --> 01:25:57,060
so, why don't we start with you,
with your edits, and if you'd like.

1339
01:25:57,159 --> 01:26:02,060
and staff is asking for the
edit and the reason for the edit.

1340
01:26:02,060 --> 01:26:04,060
I can't, I can't ask about it.

1341
01:26:04,060 --> 01:26:05,060
oh.

1342
01:26:05,109 --> 01:26:06,109
okay.

1343
01:26:06,510 --> 01:26:08,060
you're, you're, you're.

1344
01:26:08,060 --> 01:26:11,060
I don't think that's, he's
got some great things there.

1345
01:26:11,060 --> 01:26:12,060
okay, great.

1346
01:26:12,060 --> 01:26:13,060
wonderful.

1347
01:26:13,060 --> 01:26:14,060
neil, would you like to start?

1348
01:26:14,060 --> 01:26:15,060
yeah, I can start.

1349
01:26:15,159 --> 01:26:17,060
I kind of had just two things really.

1350
01:26:23,185 --> 01:26:25,158
so, regarding section
three data collection,

1351
01:26:25,158 --> 01:26:27,177
I wanted to add a
separate section g, stating

1352
01:26:27,189 --> 01:26:29,169
that if available the
data collection may be

1353
01:26:29,169 --> 01:26:31,060
conducted using a
third party data source.

1354
01:26:31,060 --> 01:26:39,060
if it available by city staff to conduct,
you know, sections d through f.

1355
01:26:42,409 --> 01:26:46,278
and then the second one, kind of,
I don't think I can really regarding

1356
01:26:46,290 --> 01:26:50,060
section four approach the speeding
issues that mr. Ames pointed out.

1357
01:26:50,409 --> 01:26:56,060
I think for me, I'd like to see data on
whether that threshold really makes sense.

1358
01:26:56,409 --> 01:26:58,060
given different.

1359
01:26:58,260 --> 01:27:02,060
not the 85, but the actual 32 to the 34.

1360
01:27:02,659 --> 01:27:05,060
whether that makes sense in
every part of this community.

1361
01:27:05,210 --> 01:27:08,598
and so, I was wondering if there
would be support from the rest of our

1362
01:27:08,610 --> 01:27:12,060
commission to see if we could
split this city into three kind of zones.

1363
01:27:12,659 --> 01:27:16,060
north laguna hills, central laguna
hills, which is defined north of la paz.

1364
01:27:16,060 --> 01:27:21,060
and then kind of molten, molten flash.

1365
01:27:21,359 --> 01:27:25,060
the, uh, meligale neighborhoods
where you have south of la paz.

1366
01:27:26,159 --> 01:27:30,073
to see if those 85 percentile is based
on those three zones very significantly,

1367
01:27:30,085 --> 01:27:34,060
just because the neighborhoods are very
different, the development is different.

1368
01:27:35,284 --> 01:27:38,484
and the expected development is going
to be different between those three areas.

1369
01:27:39,060 --> 01:27:41,740
and so, for me, that kind
of made sense regarding

1370
01:27:41,752 --> 01:27:44,060
what we saw with the
compass data tonight.

1371
01:27:44,109 --> 01:27:48,073
so, not really an action item on
that second piece, but, you know, a

1372
01:27:48,085 --> 01:27:52,060
continuation is I think what I'd
like to see after we get more data.

1373
01:27:52,460 --> 01:27:57,060
okay, does the staff
understand that statement?

1374
01:27:57,659 --> 01:28:00,060
I think it's an excellent suggestion.

1375
01:28:00,409 --> 01:28:05,060
okay. Do you need a y for that?

1376
01:28:05,109 --> 01:28:07,060
okay, all right.

1377
01:28:07,060 --> 01:28:08,060
okay.

1378
01:28:08,109 --> 01:28:09,109
all right, wonderful.

1379
01:28:09,159 --> 01:28:11,060
were those your edits?

1380
01:28:11,060 --> 01:28:12,060
yep.

1381
01:28:12,284 --> 01:28:15,060
okay, mr. Jones, would you
like to present your edits?

1382
01:28:15,109 --> 01:28:22,060
first one is initiating an
evaluation page one page one.

1383
01:28:28,560 --> 01:28:30,967
and, uh, the second sentence
for the bottom, it's, uh, going

1384
01:28:30,979 --> 01:28:33,439
back to the 18-month period
that's been previously evaluated.

1385
01:28:45,659 --> 01:28:48,071
you know, over time, we've seen,
you know, we would file a report and

1386
01:28:48,083 --> 01:28:50,435
then maybe two meetings later,
you get a pile of pile of people in.

1387
01:28:50,460 --> 01:28:55,060
so, I think the 18-month
is, you know, is, is long.

1388
01:29:01,609 --> 01:29:03,951
now, you do have, um, a
page two that, that's a traffic

1389
01:29:03,963 --> 01:29:06,060
engineer comes, you know,
override the 18-months.

1390
01:29:15,359 --> 01:29:16,327
but, I just, I just
think it's just, it seems

1391
01:29:16,327 --> 01:29:17,208
to me a long period
of time because these

1392
01:29:17,220 --> 01:29:19,060
things, if it's an issue in one meeting,
it's generally going to keep, keep coming up.

1393
01:29:19,060 --> 01:29:24,060
and, if you're saying, you're not
going to do anything 18-months.

1394
01:29:25,609 --> 01:29:29,060
what's your recommendation
on what the time period should be?

1395
01:29:32,060 --> 01:29:36,047
um, I actually think it should be
knocked out and just have, you know,

1396
01:29:36,060 --> 01:29:40,060
have a, you know, at the discretion
of the commission and the traffic.

1397
01:29:41,359 --> 01:29:49,060
so, remove that complete.

1398
01:29:52,060 --> 01:29:55,952
it's going to come up multiple
times at a commission meeting,

1399
01:29:55,963 --> 01:30:00,060
or if you're getting, or if
mr. Ames is getting phone calls and,

1400
01:30:08,510 --> 01:30:11,317
it's kind of a moot point, if it
asks me. Okay, just, just my opinion.

1401
01:30:11,329 --> 01:30:14,390
okay, does, uh, the staff understand
that recommendation and the reason why?

1402
01:30:17,060 --> 01:30:21,178
I do understand the recommendation and
the reason why, um, I guess, my, I guess

1403
01:30:21,190 --> 01:30:25,060
my concern is then, what, what does
the, what does the feedback look like?

1404
01:30:34,310 --> 01:30:38,080
I mean, how does, if there's no time limit
on that, um, I guess, so if I took the,

1405
01:30:38,092 --> 01:30:42,060
that, um, commission at the cell, made on
g, and then I remove the time limit on here.

1406
01:30:46,060 --> 01:30:50,024
I guess, then, if those two recommendations
were put into implementation, or we remove

1407
01:30:50,036 --> 01:30:52,001
the time limit, but
then I have a new tool

1408
01:30:52,001 --> 01:30:54,060
that allows me to see
if anything's changed.

1409
01:30:56,484 --> 01:31:00,328
would that, and then I declare that it's
nothing's changed, does that, does that take

1410
01:31:00,340 --> 01:31:04,060
care of the problem, or does it need to
be brought back to the traffic commission?

1411
01:31:30,659 --> 01:31:33,863
my only worry is then loading up the
traffic commission agenda with, with items.

1412
01:31:33,875 --> 01:31:36,180
I guess that's what I'm
trying to get more clarification.

1413
01:31:39,510 --> 01:31:41,453
that we have to put an
18 months, you know, it's

1414
01:31:41,453 --> 01:31:43,598
going to continue to
come up. It's just, I think it's

1415
01:31:43,610 --> 01:31:45,519
kind of a redundant
because it's, but just, you

1416
01:31:45,519 --> 01:31:47,550
know, in my opinion,
you're going to clarify that.

1417
01:31:48,060 --> 01:31:51,892
so when you mean strike out, like
strike out if the identified issue blah,

1418
01:31:51,904 --> 01:31:56,060
blah, blah, and then even that second
sentence after that no further evaluation.

1419
01:31:59,510 --> 01:32:03,160
yeah. Yeah. So it currently
the way the policy is

1420
01:32:03,172 --> 01:32:07,060
written, and correct, staff
correct me if I'm wrong.

1421
01:32:16,210 --> 01:32:18,514
even though it does say 18
months, the, the city engineer

1422
01:32:18,514 --> 01:32:20,737
has a lot of, if you look
through the whole policy, and

1423
01:32:20,749 --> 01:32:23,019
I know that we all have,
there's a lot of discretion for

1424
01:32:23,019 --> 01:32:25,329
the city engineer to step up
and say something's changed.

1425
01:32:28,260 --> 01:32:31,435
we have new data,
there's new input, and that

1426
01:32:31,447 --> 01:32:35,060
basically wipes out that
18 month timeline anyways.

1427
01:32:44,460 --> 01:32:46,323
but, but I understand
what you're saying. And,

1428
01:32:46,323 --> 01:32:48,187
and so, and so what,
so what you'd like to see

1429
01:32:48,199 --> 01:32:50,231
is, is specifically, you
want to see from the word

1430
01:32:50,231 --> 01:32:52,100
if, and that entire
sentence all the way down.

1431
01:32:53,210 --> 01:32:57,012
so directs. And, and then,
and then on the next page

1432
01:32:57,024 --> 01:33:01,060
getting rid of no further
evaluation will be performed.

1433
01:33:03,409 --> 01:33:07,486
so in other words, we're
removing all of those words. Exactly.

1434
01:33:07,498 --> 01:33:11,060
okay. Does, does staff
understand that recommendation?

1435
01:33:11,060 --> 01:33:15,498
I understand the recommendation,
but I, I don't agree with it.

1436
01:33:15,510 --> 01:33:18,060
okay. Okay. All
right. That's okay.

1437
01:33:19,109 --> 01:33:25,060
that's okay. And then next is
number two evaluation process. Okay.

1438
01:33:38,760 --> 01:33:40,498
if fair first sentence, when
a resident raises traffic

1439
01:33:40,498 --> 01:33:42,042
safety concern, then,
I'd like to add, you know,

1440
01:33:42,054 --> 01:33:43,541
total volume of traffic
amount of pass through

1441
01:33:43,541 --> 01:33:45,286
traffic, and then add to
that, both parking and noise.

1442
01:33:45,310 --> 01:33:49,060
okay. So, say, say that again.
What sentence is that?

1443
01:33:49,060 --> 01:33:52,303
um, the first, first sentence.
The first paragraph.

1444
01:33:52,315 --> 01:33:55,060
yeah. It has a, a
number of criteria. Okay.

1445
01:33:55,060 --> 01:33:59,310
and you want to ask the,
uh, collision events, pedestrian

1446
01:33:59,322 --> 01:34:03,060
access issues, then add
to that parking and noise.

1447
01:34:03,060 --> 01:34:11,060
so, comma, parking and noise. Okay.
Does staff understand that recommendation?

1448
01:34:11,310 --> 01:34:15,263
can we add, um, you
know, street sweeping or

1449
01:34:15,275 --> 01:34:19,060
like a road maintenance?
Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

1450
01:34:19,060 --> 01:34:23,060
uh, like a behavioral aspect with like
the trash or something like that. Yeah.

1451
01:34:27,159 --> 01:34:30,920
does, does staff need a,
a why for that? Yes, please.

1452
01:34:30,932 --> 01:34:35,060
yeah. I think, you know, we
had two or three meetings ago.

1453
01:34:42,060 --> 01:34:45,933
an issue from laguna woods on, you know,
what's concerning is you're getting, um, you

1454
01:34:45,945 --> 01:34:47,979
know, the street
takeovers, the intersection

1455
01:34:47,979 --> 01:34:50,060
takeovers, which is a
noise issue, obviously.

1456
01:34:56,060 --> 01:35:00,074
and then if, you know, we're seeing a
legal parking to have, to have people

1457
01:35:00,086 --> 01:35:04,060
have, have, uh, citizens come up and,
you know, address that with us also.

1458
01:35:10,109 --> 01:35:13,469
and then, um, possibly it's street
sweeping because I personally,

1459
01:35:13,481 --> 01:35:17,060
when street sweeping initially
came up, I was kind of pro brewing it.

1460
01:35:24,060 --> 01:35:26,896
I think it's a big tool
that we should be using

1461
01:35:26,908 --> 01:35:30,060
more to make sure that
cars are staying put for one.

1462
01:35:32,060 --> 01:35:36,698
they're not being moved like, like I'm,
like I'm the old most right, for example.

1463
01:35:36,710 --> 01:35:40,060
so I, yeah, I think street
sweeping is a big, is an issue.

1464
01:35:46,060 --> 01:35:47,842
okay. So, so you
added your words, um,

1465
01:35:47,842 --> 01:35:50,141
mr. Patel, you added the
street sweeping and then

1466
01:35:50,153 --> 01:35:54,060
could I change the second to adverse on
social behavior, adverse on social behavior.

1467
01:35:57,210 --> 01:36:00,645
so, yeah, because, because, yeah, we
saw, we saw it. But how do we, how do we

1468
01:36:00,657 --> 01:36:04,060
define that, though? Because we're
being very specific with the other words.

1469
01:36:06,060 --> 01:36:10,214
you know, we're talking about, that's
very specific street sweeping, we're,

1470
01:36:10,226 --> 01:36:14,060
we're talking about very specific
things. How do we define that term?

1471
01:36:19,060 --> 01:36:22,804
I think, you know, adverse
on social behavior, such as

1472
01:36:22,816 --> 01:36:27,060
littering, you know, drug use,
yeah, sexual, yeah, something.

1473
01:36:27,260 --> 01:36:30,679
so in other words, you would
have to add that statement

1474
01:36:30,691 --> 01:36:34,060
and then you would have to
put some examples, such as,

1475
01:36:40,060 --> 01:36:42,139
when people are seeing,
you know, right, needles.

1476
01:36:42,139 --> 01:36:43,963
well, we've had a lot
of public speakers. I

1477
01:36:43,975 --> 01:36:46,017
mean, it can also include
things like, you know,

1478
01:36:46,017 --> 01:36:48,060
drag racing, donuts,
you know, things like that.

1479
01:36:48,859 --> 01:36:51,914
okay. But that would have
to be defined, though, right?

1480
01:36:51,926 --> 01:36:54,060
okay. Staff has some
comments on this.

1481
01:36:58,060 --> 01:37:01,917
yeah, I do. Sorry. Yeah, no, no. Yeah,
we can see the body language. We're

1482
01:37:01,929 --> 01:37:06,060
throwing things out there. No, I appreciate
that, actually. So, a few comments.

1483
01:37:08,260 --> 01:37:11,574
so, this is a residential streets
traffic management policy.

1484
01:37:11,586 --> 01:37:16,060
so, it's not meant to be applied to arterial
highways or even collector roadways.

1485
01:37:18,310 --> 01:37:22,139
and the end result of this
residential streets management

1486
01:37:22,151 --> 01:37:26,060
policy at the back is about
traffic control devices. Okay.

1487
01:37:26,109 --> 01:37:30,262
so, I'm, I'm appreciate that
all of those are concerns.

1488
01:37:30,274 --> 01:37:34,060
we've heard all those
concerns. I'm just not sure.

1489
01:37:39,260 --> 01:37:41,219
we're stuck there applicable
to this policy because I can't,

1490
01:37:41,219 --> 01:37:43,243
I can't measure noise and I
wouldn't know how to put up a sign

1491
01:37:43,255 --> 01:37:45,187
to address noise or put in a
speed hump to address noise or

1492
01:37:45,187 --> 01:37:47,185
street maintenance or trash
or anything else related to that.

1493
01:37:47,210 --> 01:37:49,099
okay. This is a,
that's a good point.

1494
01:37:49,111 --> 01:37:52,060
yeah, this is a, a speeding,
this is relating to speeding.

1495
01:37:52,060 --> 01:37:54,991
okay. Yeah. So, I, I think
if, if we want to address

1496
01:37:55,003 --> 01:37:58,060
those other items, that
would be in a different place.

1497
01:38:04,359 --> 01:38:06,384
so, how do these
recommendations then, what's been

1498
01:38:06,384 --> 01:38:08,288
presented by mr. Jones
in regards to moving the

1499
01:38:08,300 --> 01:38:10,046
timeline and those
things, those, those are

1500
01:38:10,046 --> 01:38:12,199
applicable to the, you
know, obviously to the policy.

1501
01:38:14,185 --> 01:38:18,023
but in regards to the other, other
items that were just presented,

1502
01:38:18,034 --> 01:38:22,060
what portion of that is acceptable
to the policy or is there nothing?

1503
01:38:25,359 --> 01:38:29,247
I, I, I wouldn't call, I wouldn't couches
acceptable or not acceptable. I would

1504
01:38:29,259 --> 01:38:33,060
more couch it is, whether or not it's
within the realm of what the policy is.

1505
01:38:37,284 --> 01:38:41,396
so, I wouldn't say noises, trash,
street sweeping, street maintenance,

1506
01:38:41,408 --> 01:38:45,060
I mean adverse, the donuts on
the roadways, unless they occur.

1507
01:38:47,260 --> 01:38:49,443
and in the middle of a
residential street, most of the

1508
01:38:49,443 --> 01:38:51,828
donuts are occurring on
white or arterial highways. I don't

1509
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:53,786
think, I think it's pretty
hard to do a donut on

1510
01:38:53,786 --> 01:38:56,260
intersection of two small
residential streets, but maybe not.

1511
01:38:58,409 --> 01:39:00,815
great route in victoria, that's
the end of victoria. Those are not

1512
01:39:00,827 --> 01:39:03,136
residential streets, those sort
of arterial highway in a, okay.

1513
01:39:03,159 --> 01:39:06,263
in the collector roadway, so I
guess I'm just trying to illustrate

1514
01:39:06,275 --> 01:39:09,060
that I think those things
belong in a different discussion.

1515
01:39:09,359 --> 01:39:12,444
okay, somewhere else
outside of this policy.

1516
01:39:12,456 --> 01:39:15,060
so that's fine. Are
you good on that?

1517
01:39:15,359 --> 01:39:18,520
okay, absolutely.
Okay, that's good.

1518
01:39:18,532 --> 01:39:23,060
all right, you can continue
with your edits, please.

1519
01:39:46,310 --> 01:39:49,125
I remember five, you know,
one of the things that we get hit

1520
01:39:49,137 --> 01:39:52,060
with on a lot of the streets is
they're relatively low volume.

1521
01:39:53,460 --> 01:39:57,060
so we're talking about, you
know, 1,500 and number five.

1522
01:39:57,859 --> 01:40:02,060
which page are you on? I know.
It's approach to volume issues.

1523
01:40:13,060 --> 01:40:15,256
okay, got it. All these
streets are relatively

1524
01:40:15,256 --> 01:40:17,213
low volume, and
so if we, it's difficult,

1525
01:40:17,225 --> 01:40:21,060
you know, to get to the volumes, to put
in, you know, some of the speed controls.

1526
01:40:31,710 --> 01:40:33,987
is, is the amount of volume
necessary is the 1500,

1527
01:40:33,999 --> 01:40:36,060
a adjustable, or is it
something that, again,

1528
01:40:39,659 --> 01:40:42,847
and the reason I ask is just,
we hit it and you're going, well, it

1529
01:40:42,859 --> 01:40:46,060
doesn't make any sense to put it
because the volumes are so small.

1530
01:40:48,159 --> 01:40:51,060
and, so it's kind of a
more of a question than.

1531
01:40:51,310 --> 01:40:57,060
so you don't like the way the volumes are
presented, or it, or it doesn't make sense.

1532
01:40:58,810 --> 01:41:01,060
why do we use, if volumes, like that? Yeah.

1533
01:41:02,260 --> 01:41:03,260
okay, so for some.

1534
01:41:03,960 --> 01:41:09,060
so this requires a little bit
of, I think, historical context.

1535
01:41:16,659 --> 01:41:19,741
so this, this part here is,
it's related to speeding, it's

1536
01:41:19,753 --> 01:41:23,060
related to residential streets,
but there was a point in time.

1537
01:41:23,260 --> 01:41:27,408
when the city was a newer city
that there was a lot of concerns,

1538
01:41:27,420 --> 01:41:31,060
more concerns there are
today about cut through traffic.

1539
01:41:32,510 --> 01:41:36,153
yeah. Hi, and I'm a
little bit surmising here,

1540
01:41:36,165 --> 01:41:40,060
but I, I, but I also used
to work here years ago.

1541
01:41:40,060 --> 01:41:43,060
so I, I think I know
what this is trying to say.

1542
01:41:45,060 --> 01:41:48,841
this is, this paragraph is
trying to talk about what an

1543
01:41:48,853 --> 01:41:53,060
acceptable level of number of
vehicles should be on a street.

1544
01:41:53,359 --> 01:41:58,060
and I think what it's, it's the
volume of pass through traffic.

1545
01:41:58,109 --> 01:42:06,060
so what it's trying to get at is
the notion that there needs to be.

1546
01:42:06,359 --> 01:42:14,060
gates or hard stops in the middle of a
block to redirect traffic to another street.

1547
01:42:17,060 --> 01:42:20,977
and I, I believe what this is trying to get
at is what are the acceptable thresholds

1548
01:42:20,989 --> 01:42:23,166
for vehicles going
down a residential streets,

1549
01:42:23,166 --> 01:42:25,060
the point where it
becomes of a concern.

1550
01:42:25,460 --> 01:42:28,247
case in point, we're aware
of in some neighborhoods,

1551
01:42:28,260 --> 01:42:31,060
the neighborhood that
we're talking about right now.

1552
01:42:31,060 --> 01:42:35,048
beck and ham street,
cammerwell, wilkes, they have the

1553
01:42:35,060 --> 01:42:39,060
double gates over there to
separate out the motorists.

1554
01:42:44,810 --> 01:42:46,587
on beck and ham from being
able to turn on cammerwell

1555
01:42:46,587 --> 01:42:48,398
to turn on wilkes, you had
previously heard from prior

1556
01:42:48,410 --> 01:42:50,226
speakers that have history
in the area about why those

1557
01:42:50,226 --> 01:42:52,211
were put up, and why they
were maybe put up after the fact.

1558
01:42:52,234 --> 01:42:55,060
and I think that's what
this is meant to address.

1559
01:42:55,060 --> 01:43:03,060
it's kind of a, it's a, it's an adjoining
but not direct topic with speeding.

1560
01:43:03,960 --> 01:43:07,399
it's meant to address that if there's
a lot of cars on the roadway and

1561
01:43:07,411 --> 01:43:11,060
they're all speeding, you know, we
should be talking about volume as well.

1562
01:43:12,135 --> 01:43:15,135
and so this is just slightly, slightly
different thing than the rest of it.

1563
01:43:17,210 --> 01:43:21,326
the only time that it talks
about speeding is when we finally

1564
01:43:21,338 --> 01:43:25,060
get down to roman numeral
6, which is physical devices.

1565
01:43:31,210 --> 01:43:33,394
and basically the 5000
vehicles is meant to really try

1566
01:43:33,394 --> 01:43:35,457
to capture, are you getting
your bang for the buck,

1567
01:43:35,469 --> 01:43:37,577
after you've spent money
installing something, is it

1568
01:43:37,577 --> 01:43:39,970
really affecting that many
people, and that many motorists.

1569
01:43:42,885 --> 01:43:46,485
but this, this section right here,
the redistribution of motor vehicles

1570
01:43:46,497 --> 01:43:50,060
is a little bit of an outlier almost
in the rest of this, this policy.

1571
01:43:50,659 --> 01:43:54,060
I think it was meant to address the
very specific other topic of concern.

1572
01:43:54,060 --> 01:43:55,060
okay.

1573
01:43:55,060 --> 01:43:58,060
is that, yeah.

1574
01:43:58,060 --> 01:43:59,060
yeah.

1575
01:43:59,109 --> 01:44:00,060
is that good?

1576
01:44:00,060 --> 01:44:01,060
yeah.

1577
01:44:08,359 --> 01:44:12,100
I'm just concerned that, you know, we
keep bumping up against the volumes and

1578
01:44:12,112 --> 01:44:16,060
it, to me, it doesn't make a lot of sense
if, you know, it's like this to the ao.

1579
01:44:16,060 --> 01:44:19,060
I don't think, I don't think you have 1500.

1580
01:44:28,060 --> 01:44:31,923
in fact, most of these, 25 mile an
hour streets, I think, I doubt if you have,

1581
01:44:31,935 --> 01:44:36,060
through the 85% that most of them don't
have more than a few hundred I would guess.

1582
01:44:36,960 --> 01:44:40,560
I think that's what the
authors trying to indicate is that

1583
01:44:40,572 --> 01:44:44,060
a lot of these streets don't
even meet these thresholds.

1584
01:44:44,460 --> 01:44:47,247
so trying to reroute
traffic, for instance, it

1585
01:44:47,260 --> 01:44:50,060
shouldn't be above
paramount concern, I guess.

1586
01:44:50,635 --> 01:44:54,060
is the best way I could couch that.

1587
01:44:54,060 --> 01:44:55,060
all right.

1588
01:44:55,060 --> 01:44:56,060
that's it.

1589
01:44:56,060 --> 01:44:57,060
you're good?

1590
01:44:57,159 --> 01:44:58,060
yeah.

1591
01:44:58,060 --> 01:44:59,060
good.

1592
01:44:59,060 --> 01:45:00,060
okay.

1593
01:45:00,060 --> 01:45:03,891
real quickly, before we end
your edits, I just wanted to make

1594
01:45:03,903 --> 01:45:08,060
sure I'm, it's page number two
of the policy packet page 30 of 36.

1595
01:45:12,210 --> 01:45:15,532
we're commissioner jones
asked for where it says at the

1596
01:45:15,544 --> 01:45:19,060
end there on the first paragraph
under evaluation process.

1597
01:45:21,060 --> 01:45:24,969
at the end where it says
pedestrian access issues,

1598
01:45:24,981 --> 01:45:29,060
comma, did we leave in the
streets we've been named.

1599
01:45:29,859 --> 01:45:35,060
and so I was concerned because we kind
of got caught up in a conversation there.

1600
01:45:35,159 --> 01:45:39,060
and I wanted to make sure because
you had mentioned street sweeping.

1601
01:45:39,060 --> 01:45:41,060
yeah, I think we've got it.

1602
01:45:41,060 --> 01:45:45,060
it's, this isn't where we put.

1603
01:45:45,060 --> 01:45:48,666
because because I know
in the past we've tried

1604
01:45:48,678 --> 01:45:52,060
to talk about a policy
for street sweeping.

1605
01:45:52,060 --> 01:45:54,261
I didn't give we do want to
talk about street sweeping.

1606
01:45:57,659 --> 01:46:00,959
one of the things I do want to do
tonight is for that meeting next meeting

1607
01:46:00,971 --> 01:46:04,060
when we do talk about parking, we
should bring up the 1994 ordinance.

1608
01:46:04,060 --> 01:46:07,060
on the parking permit program.

1609
01:46:07,060 --> 01:46:08,986
because I think that is
where we can add street

1610
01:46:08,998 --> 01:46:11,060
sweeping because I don't
think it wasn't that one.

1611
01:46:11,060 --> 01:46:12,060
okay.

1612
01:46:12,060 --> 01:46:13,060
yeah.

1613
01:46:13,060 --> 01:46:14,060
yeah.

1614
01:46:14,060 --> 01:46:17,060
I think it's just doesn't apply to
street sweeping and noise and that.

1615
01:46:17,060 --> 01:46:18,060
okay.

1616
01:46:18,060 --> 01:46:19,060
yeah.

1617
01:46:19,060 --> 01:46:20,086
because it's, it's gotta fit somewhere.

1618
01:46:20,109 --> 01:46:21,109
it's really speed.

1619
01:46:23,359 --> 01:46:26,992
but it just, it just doesn't fit in
this, in this policy because again,

1620
01:46:27,004 --> 01:46:31,060
whether it's e-bikes or any of these
other issues, it's got to fit in a policy.

1621
01:46:31,060 --> 01:46:34,060
yeah. Yeah. Exactly. Right.
Okay. Are you done?

1622
01:46:34,060 --> 01:46:35,060
I'm done.

1623
01:46:35,060 --> 01:46:36,060
okay. Good, good, good.

1624
01:46:36,210 --> 01:46:38,060
okay. Let's move our to your mystery.

1625
01:46:38,060 --> 01:46:39,060
we don't.

1626
01:46:39,484 --> 01:46:41,060
thank you very much.

1627
01:46:42,109 --> 01:46:46,014
you know, noting that in your, in
chair miller's opening statements

1628
01:46:46,026 --> 01:46:50,060
that the, you know, this policy was
created in 1995 and revised 2018.

1629
01:46:50,060 --> 01:46:53,060
you know, just in that amount of
time how much things have changed.

1630
01:46:53,060 --> 01:46:55,999
you know, the kind of cars
we're doing looking at technology

1631
01:46:56,011 --> 01:46:59,060
that's, that's really changed
how we're doing it changes fast.

1632
01:46:59,060 --> 01:47:00,060
really fast.

1633
01:47:05,060 --> 01:47:07,014
so looking at what we
have in our current overall

1634
01:47:07,014 --> 01:47:09,047
view, which is kind of why
I wanted, you know, make

1635
01:47:09,060 --> 01:47:11,613
sure that we're all interested
in the clarity of, you know, what

1636
01:47:11,614 --> 01:47:14,180
was, was discussed on, on page
four, page three, two, three, six.

1637
01:47:15,210 --> 01:47:17,542
you know, that the floors
are driving an essential lack of

1638
01:47:17,554 --> 01:47:20,060
documented speeds and a
three, two, three, four percent tiles.

1639
01:47:20,810 --> 01:47:24,060
that this was not for speeding.

1640
01:47:24,060 --> 01:47:26,060
it was for traffic control devices.

1641
01:47:26,060 --> 01:47:30,060
and that's really what
this whole thing is about.

1642
01:47:30,560 --> 01:47:36,060
we were shown a fantastic, you
know, current live compass program.

1643
01:47:39,260 --> 01:47:42,619
we really don't have it worth stated that
our technology is about to step into this.

1644
01:47:44,859 --> 01:47:48,493
so looking at the data collection, adding
in not necessarily compass as the word,

1645
01:47:48,505 --> 01:47:52,060
but adding in a section, the wording I
don't have with me today, but, you know,

1646
01:48:01,609 --> 01:48:03,630
that we're able to, to take, you
know, the available data information

1647
01:48:03,630 --> 01:48:05,679
available to us, because it doesn't
really state, you know, it's, it's

1648
01:48:05,691 --> 01:48:07,688
showing that we have available,
you know, but we're doing it the old

1649
01:48:07,688 --> 01:48:09,685
school way, and taking this
information and then using it correctly.

1650
01:48:09,710 --> 01:48:12,398
and because if we, if we
add that kind of information

1651
01:48:12,410 --> 01:48:15,060
into the data collection,
it makes things real time.

1652
01:48:18,909 --> 01:48:22,472
and then it changes our 18 month concern,
then it changes our 60 day concern, then

1653
01:48:22,484 --> 01:48:26,060
it changes everything else that it folds
backwards into our, our other statements.

1654
01:48:37,609 --> 01:48:38,930
so by changing one
statement or adding in that

1655
01:48:38,930 --> 01:48:40,135
a ability to use
technology for evaluating

1656
01:48:40,147 --> 01:48:42,485
item 350 and number 350, it changes our
guidelines to how we approach those items.

1657
01:48:42,510 --> 01:48:44,251
so I'd like to get
something in the, in the

1658
01:48:44,251 --> 01:48:46,358
verbiage of that where
we put it, I'm not 100% sure,

1659
01:48:46,370 --> 01:48:48,240
but I think it's, it's
something to definitely

1660
01:48:48,240 --> 01:48:50,109
look at as how we place
that into our current.

1661
01:49:02,359 --> 01:49:04,264
so under approach to
speeding issues, you would

1662
01:49:04,264 --> 01:49:06,128
like a paragraph that
specifically talks about

1663
01:49:06,140 --> 01:49:07,848
using our current
tools to collect data in

1664
01:49:07,848 --> 01:49:09,760
regards to how we
approach the speeding issues.

1665
01:49:15,010 --> 01:49:19,060
so this whole article is not about, it's
not about speeding, it's about controlling.

1666
01:49:20,060 --> 01:49:22,111
and this is how to, how
do we control the overall

1667
01:49:22,123 --> 01:49:24,060
flow and how it's doing
and what's acceptable.

1668
01:49:28,310 --> 01:49:30,257
but by taking the control
devices, which is all this

1669
01:49:30,257 --> 01:49:32,242
everything it's right been
put in place, then it goes

1670
01:49:32,254 --> 01:49:34,245
back to, you know, page
five where it's saying, okay,

1671
01:49:34,245 --> 01:49:36,386
now these are the devices
we currently have to us to use.

1672
01:49:36,409 --> 01:49:39,060
so it's all pressing up to page five.

1673
01:49:42,234 --> 01:49:46,112
so without establishing what we're, you
know, how we get the information over doing

1674
01:49:46,124 --> 01:49:50,060
up to this point, you know, we're not, it's
all about how do we slow down the speed.

1675
01:49:51,060 --> 01:49:54,679
and adding in the, the current
warning signs and downhill speed signs

1676
01:49:54,691 --> 01:49:58,060
and repainting streets, I mean,
that is how it reduce the speed.

1677
01:50:00,710 --> 01:50:03,872
but the reasons why we're doing
it is because of there is they, you

1678
01:50:03,885 --> 01:50:07,060
know, 32 mile an hour, 85% tiles,
you know, three evaluation of it.

1679
01:50:12,060 --> 01:50:13,865
we have technology
that we don't have to go

1680
01:50:13,865 --> 01:50:15,964
through those channels
anymore to do that and just

1681
01:50:15,976 --> 01:50:18,039
kind of bringing us to
the current, you know, the

1682
01:50:18,039 --> 01:50:20,060
current available
technology that we have to us.

1683
01:50:24,609 --> 01:50:26,173
so finding how to get
to there, that's really

1684
01:50:26,173 --> 01:50:27,736
what we want to do
because even, even some of

1685
01:50:27,748 --> 01:50:29,491
these switches, you know,
we've, we've also wanted

1686
01:50:29,491 --> 01:50:31,060
to look at what modern
devices are there now.

1687
01:50:31,060 --> 01:50:35,060
we've got some ideas here, but,
you know, these are all old ideas.

1688
01:50:35,109 --> 01:50:38,060
there's got to be new ideas
out there that we can adapt.

1689
01:50:56,359 --> 01:50:58,667
and a good example would be
like a modern speed trailer that

1690
01:50:58,667 --> 01:51:01,128
not only tells the driver what
their speed is, but maybe takes a

1691
01:51:01,140 --> 01:51:03,684
picture of their license plate
sends them a friendly coat postcard

1692
01:51:03,684 --> 01:51:06,036
mail and says, hey, just to,
well, friendly is, is it can be.

1693
01:51:06,060 --> 01:51:08,068
that says, hey, you, please
slow down on this street, you

1694
01:51:08,068 --> 01:51:10,183
know, so, you know, I'm sure
there's all kinds of technology

1695
01:51:10,195 --> 01:51:12,140
as, as you're saying, that's
available that, I mean, we

1696
01:51:12,140 --> 01:51:14,086
got a little taste of it
tonight, which is really good.

1697
01:51:14,109 --> 01:51:22,060
to staff understand what type of a
paragraph is being requested to be added.

1698
01:51:41,859 --> 01:51:43,318
I think I do, but I also, I think maybe
part of it was addressed already by

1699
01:51:43,318 --> 01:51:43,668
commissioner patel

1700
01:51:43,668 --> 01:51:45,263
with the point g, adding in from an afternoon
roman numeral three data collection,

1701
01:51:45,263 --> 01:51:45,536
where you have

1702
01:51:45,547 --> 01:51:47,050
a little bit of an off ramp there where
if available data collection could be

1703
01:51:47,050 --> 01:51:47,440
collected by a third

1704
01:51:47,440 --> 01:51:48,982
party source, and I'd put a hyphen in
there or comma such as collect, collect a

1705
01:51:48,982 --> 01:51:49,235
vehicle data.

1706
01:51:49,260 --> 01:51:55,060
so, to collect data for items d
and f kind of thing is what I heard.

1707
01:52:10,060 --> 01:52:13,244
the other part about it, I heard, I
thought I heard was about going back to the

1708
01:52:13,244 --> 01:52:16,387
32 to 34 miles per hour in the approach
to speeding issues, and I wasn't quite

1709
01:52:16,399 --> 01:52:19,549
sure if you were indicating that there
needed to be, wasn't sure what you were

1710
01:52:19,549 --> 01:52:22,859
indicating in terms of what needed to be
added specifically to roman numeral four.

1711
01:52:29,010 --> 01:52:31,818
I think it's just clarity that the
speeding issues are not, because we

1712
01:52:31,830 --> 01:52:34,569
have the 32 and 34 mile an
hour range, it's not, it's still illegal.

1713
01:52:41,609 --> 01:52:44,258
it's 25 hours opposed to speed
limit, because that's the range

1714
01:52:44,270 --> 01:52:47,060
that is to determine on whether
we use a speed controlled device.

1715
01:52:47,060 --> 01:52:50,060
can you say it one more time?

1716
01:53:03,810 --> 01:53:04,574
just because the average
85% tile is the 32 to 34 miles

1717
01:53:04,574 --> 01:53:05,395
per hour, or that they're up,
that it's not that you're not

1718
01:53:05,407 --> 01:53:06,121
breaking the law, you're
still speeding, but it's a

1719
01:53:06,121 --> 01:53:07,060
recommendation, whether we need
to add in speed controlled devices.

1720
01:53:07,060 --> 01:53:10,060
I think that's an excellent point.

1721
01:53:12,409 --> 01:53:15,722
ok, I fully understand that it helps
them when they go to court, and they

1722
01:53:15,734 --> 01:53:19,060
say, well, I'm within safe, it says
here I can be safe, I'm driving safe.

1723
01:53:19,109 --> 01:53:21,958
it's not that, whether
you're driving safe, that's

1724
01:53:21,970 --> 01:53:25,060
for a speed controlled
device, not for truly speeding.

1725
01:53:32,060 --> 01:53:36,314
the clarification of this
policy is for speed controlled

1726
01:53:36,326 --> 01:53:40,060
devices that this range
is only for that purpose.

1727
01:53:51,710 --> 01:53:53,653
that one, compass does,
I don't know if we need,

1728
01:53:53,653 --> 01:53:55,757
there's a very open on
page eight, it does say other

1729
01:53:55,770 --> 01:53:57,962
issues with the traffic
engineering will be considered

1730
01:53:57,962 --> 01:53:59,829
as a team to program
by city traffic engineer.

1731
01:54:07,060 --> 01:54:10,992
is that really an overall statement
that anything is in this particular

1732
01:54:11,004 --> 01:54:15,060
number 350 can be altered at the
discretion of the city traffic engineer?

1733
01:54:15,510 --> 01:54:18,060
is that a kind of a catch all?

1734
01:54:38,310 --> 01:54:40,534
it is, so I would, so the
item, roman imeral 6 physical

1735
01:54:40,534 --> 01:54:42,677
devices is concentrated
on speed humps, and I think g

1736
01:54:42,689 --> 01:54:44,838
is a catch all as it relates
only to speed humps, and

1737
01:54:44,838 --> 01:54:47,149
then the list above it, a
through f is meant to document.

1738
01:54:54,060 --> 01:54:57,874
it's meant to document
examples or requirements of when

1739
01:54:57,886 --> 01:55:02,060
speed humps can be implemented
or should not be implemented.

1740
01:55:06,359 --> 01:55:10,097
and I think that the, I would think of
the author put that in there because

1741
01:55:10,109 --> 01:55:14,060
there are things that may not have been
contemplated that should be considered.

1742
01:55:35,460 --> 01:55:37,860
in that analysis, and I guess I would say
that even if g exists, there would, if you

1743
01:55:37,860 --> 01:55:40,318
got to roman imeral 6 and are implementing
a physical device, that doesn't preempt the

1744
01:55:40,330 --> 01:55:42,779
city traffic engineer would still need to
create the traffic commission agenda report

1745
01:55:42,779 --> 01:55:45,170
and the city council agenda report and
justify the whole list of reasons why or why

1746
01:55:45,170 --> 01:55:45,286
not.

1747
01:55:45,310 --> 01:55:48,060
and that thing is required or not required.

1748
01:55:50,060 --> 01:55:54,232
so I'm not really sure, so I'm
not sure that it adds a lot of value,

1749
01:55:54,244 --> 01:55:58,060
but at the same time I don't
think it will result in surprise.

1750
01:55:59,060 --> 01:56:01,018
the traffic engineer
came up with some new

1751
01:56:01,018 --> 01:56:03,071
criteria that you've
never heard of and that

1752
01:56:03,083 --> 01:56:07,060
you're never going to see in that there was
a unilateral decision not to do something.

1753
01:56:08,109 --> 01:56:12,180
I think this is just meant to be a
catch all because the author didn't think

1754
01:56:12,192 --> 01:56:16,060
of all the things that could affect
the installation of the speed humps.

1755
01:56:21,510 --> 01:56:25,377
and so my thought on that was maybe
adding a safety net to that is traffic

1756
01:56:25,389 --> 01:56:29,060
engineer and recommendation or
recommendation from traffic commission.

1757
01:56:30,859 --> 01:56:37,060
if it is a catch all, then it
allows us to check and balance.

1758
01:56:37,210 --> 01:56:41,060
so define that last sentence
of what you'd like to see there.

1759
01:56:43,409 --> 01:56:51,060
the verbiage is fine by the city
engineer and the traffic commission.

1760
01:56:53,060 --> 01:57:01,060
so it's a recommendation that is still
going to go back to the city council.

1761
01:57:01,210 --> 01:57:06,060
for the reasons why I explain I don't
necessarily see a problem with that.

1762
01:57:10,060 --> 01:57:13,795
just the checks and
balance so that it's not all the

1763
01:57:13,807 --> 01:57:18,060
pressures on the city engineer
to have the full onus of it.

1764
01:57:18,060 --> 01:57:22,060
so staff understands that recommendation.

1765
01:57:22,060 --> 01:57:23,060
that's all I have.

1766
01:57:25,560 --> 01:57:27,060
okay, you're good.

1767
01:57:27,060 --> 01:57:33,060
all right, so mine are,
you all covered a lot of it.

1768
01:57:33,060 --> 01:57:35,060
which is why we get a later.

1769
01:57:35,060 --> 01:57:37,060
yeah, I'll cover it a lot of it.

1770
01:57:37,510 --> 01:57:40,060
my first edit, let's see here.

1771
01:57:42,984 --> 01:57:46,060
let me go to page one.

1772
01:57:46,060 --> 01:57:52,060
let me find it here.

1773
01:57:52,060 --> 01:57:54,988
these issues will be
documented addressed through

1774
01:57:55,000 --> 01:57:58,060
the use of available traffic
engineering standards.

1775
01:57:58,060 --> 01:58:00,060
place important.

1776
01:58:00,710 --> 01:58:06,060
so it was just a suggestion that
it's the first paragraph and I'll read it.

1777
01:58:06,510 --> 01:58:09,060
it's the middle sentence.

1778
01:58:14,159 --> 01:58:17,468
these issues will be documented
and addressed through the use of

1779
01:58:17,480 --> 01:58:21,060
available traffic engineering
standards and police enforcement tools.

1780
01:58:24,060 --> 01:58:27,926
I was actually going to
stop with a comma there,

1781
01:58:27,938 --> 01:58:32,060
police enforcement comma
traffic controlling tools.

1782
01:58:32,909 --> 01:58:36,060
does that make sense?

1783
01:58:36,460 --> 01:58:41,060
I know it's just
wordsmithing at this point.

1784
01:58:42,060 --> 01:58:45,857
well, the standard
is the standard which

1785
01:58:45,869 --> 01:58:50,060
defines how we're
going to do things, right?

1786
01:58:52,210 --> 01:58:55,831
but the tools in this point,
I was trying to say traffic

1787
01:58:55,843 --> 01:59:00,060
controlling tools would be the
things we've already talked about.

1788
01:59:01,159 --> 01:59:09,060
are we putting in speed humps or
whatever, stop signs or whatever?

1789
01:59:10,210 --> 01:59:11,210
yeah.

1790
01:59:11,409 --> 01:59:16,060
the next item below that,
it's in initiating and evaluation.

1791
01:59:16,135 --> 01:59:20,060
it's really just paragraphs a and b.

1792
01:59:20,510 --> 01:59:24,060
they both start out with a resident has.

1793
01:59:31,510 --> 01:59:35,242
and it seems to me that you
could actually take the words from

1794
01:59:35,254 --> 01:59:39,060
a and b and you could actually
combine them into one paragraph.

1795
01:59:39,734 --> 01:59:43,424
because basically we're
saying, okay, a resident

1796
01:59:43,436 --> 01:59:47,060
has contacted city staff
by letter by an email.

1797
01:59:51,659 --> 01:59:55,274
when really, it could be as simple
as a resident has contacted the city in

1798
01:59:55,286 --> 01:59:59,060
any form, whether it's city staff, city
council, by electronic communication.

1799
01:59:59,359 --> 02:00:04,060
it doesn't matter,
they've contacted the city.

1800
02:00:07,409 --> 02:00:11,185
so, and what I mean by
all of that is that we don't

1801
02:00:11,197 --> 02:00:15,060
have to spell out by
telephone, by letter, by email.

1802
02:00:15,060 --> 02:00:18,060
because they could contact us anyway.

1803
02:00:23,609 --> 02:00:28,013
I mean, they might, you know, a resident
may see you at a coffee shop and say, mr.

1804
02:00:28,025 --> 02:00:31,060
jones, we got this, you know,
and so, so in other words,

1805
02:00:35,560 --> 02:00:38,238
instead of defining all these
different pathways for contacting us, I

1806
02:00:38,250 --> 02:00:41,136
think those two paragraphs a and b
could be very simple and just combined.

1807
02:00:41,159 --> 02:00:45,097
and it's just a wordsmithing
thing, you know, just to add

1808
02:00:45,109 --> 02:00:49,060
to that, the, you know, I
think it's contact to the city.

1809
02:00:49,609 --> 02:00:54,060
you know, me personally, if someone goes up
to me and wants to have a complaint to me.

1810
02:00:54,960 --> 02:00:57,972
I don't want that responsibility
to me that that's the day I

1811
02:00:57,984 --> 02:01:01,060
saw mike and he said, I told
him and he didn't push the city.

1812
02:01:01,609 --> 02:01:05,060
I think keeping the verbiage that
they need to connect with the city is.

1813
02:01:05,510 --> 02:01:11,060
and in official, what
you're saying is in an official.

1814
02:01:11,060 --> 02:01:12,060
correct.

1815
02:01:12,060 --> 02:01:13,060
yeah.

1816
02:01:14,659 --> 02:01:18,610
because by coming to us, then we
take on the onus of their complaint

1817
02:01:18,622 --> 02:01:22,060
if we take that part out of
it, then we are the onus of it.

1818
02:01:22,060 --> 02:01:23,060
okay.

1819
02:01:23,060 --> 02:01:24,060
contact the city.

1820
02:01:24,109 --> 02:01:25,060
no, no, no.

1821
02:01:25,060 --> 02:01:26,060
I like you contact it.

1822
02:01:26,310 --> 02:01:28,586
you can fax, you know,
pigeon, whatever it has to be,

1823
02:01:28,598 --> 02:01:31,060
but I mean, they still need
to contact the city for that.

1824
02:01:31,234 --> 02:01:34,162
and that would be my, if
someone asked me, I would say,

1825
02:01:34,174 --> 02:01:37,060
please, you know, file,
file this issue with the city.

1826
02:01:37,710 --> 02:01:40,069
because I don't, I don't want
to have that come back on me.

1827
02:01:41,109 --> 02:01:44,173
but I want to make sure that
if we're taking out those items,

1828
02:01:44,185 --> 02:01:47,060
it's just make sure it states
that it's back to the city.

1829
02:01:47,060 --> 02:01:48,060
and yeah.

1830
02:01:48,185 --> 02:01:52,297
so we're defining it
as an official contact,

1831
02:01:52,310 --> 02:01:56,060
official, whatever
those are defined as.

1832
02:02:08,085 --> 02:02:10,154
yeah, I think I would agree with you that
there's probably some stream landing that

1833
02:02:10,154 --> 02:02:12,273
can be done here, but I think the underlying
message between a and b is the fact that

1834
02:02:12,285 --> 02:02:14,360
they either the city staff was either
directly contacted or the city staff was here

1835
02:02:14,360 --> 02:02:16,485
as in the fact that the traffic commission
meeting heard the complaint kind of thing.

1836
02:02:16,510 --> 02:02:18,060
and we have a record of it that way.

1837
02:02:18,060 --> 02:02:19,060
okay.

1838
02:02:19,060 --> 02:02:20,060
good.

1839
02:02:24,560 --> 02:02:28,227
um, the other items, and
again, we're, we're in this

1840
02:02:28,239 --> 02:02:32,060
process of figuring out
where all this new stuff fits.

1841
02:02:37,359 --> 02:02:41,271
you know, like take for instance, and I
just wrote these down as notes, not more

1842
02:02:41,283 --> 02:02:45,060
of of edits because I think we've
done all the edits, but just in regards of.

1843
02:02:45,284 --> 02:02:50,060
e bike policy, you know, put.

1844
02:02:58,460 --> 02:03:00,483
when developers come to
our city and they're going

1845
02:03:00,483 --> 02:03:02,587
to build a new apartment
building and having that in

1846
02:03:02,599 --> 02:03:04,668
place where, you know,
the state may say, oh, well,

1847
02:03:04,668 --> 02:03:06,899
you can build an apartment
with only 1.5 parking spots.

1848
02:03:11,260 --> 02:03:15,022
but the city of lagoon hills is asking
for two parking spots, you know, and

1849
02:03:15,034 --> 02:03:19,060
again, that's it's not within this policy,
but, but it's it's the whole idea of.

1850
02:03:21,335 --> 02:03:25,033
what I mean, we had that other
discussion about do we need to

1851
02:03:25,045 --> 02:03:29,060
create an entire policy just for
street sweeping when when really.

1852
02:03:29,135 --> 02:03:32,350
and the only reason why
I'm bringing these up is

1853
02:03:32,362 --> 02:03:36,060
because this policy hasn't
been touched in eight years.

1854
02:03:40,210 --> 02:03:44,122
and, um, I think I think a lot of
times we're playing whack a mole with

1855
02:03:44,135 --> 02:03:48,060
a lot of these ideas because the
policy hasn't been touched in a while.

1856
02:04:01,359 --> 02:04:03,703
but I don't I don't have any
outside of that. I don't have

1857
02:04:03,703 --> 02:04:06,047
any other edits. I mean, it's
we we've covered pretty much

1858
02:04:06,059 --> 02:04:08,529
everything. And I think from
this point forward, I'm assuming

1859
02:04:08,529 --> 02:04:11,000
and staff can tell me the
process now or tell us the process.

1860
02:04:16,310 --> 02:04:18,385
are we going to bring
this back at the november

1861
02:04:18,385 --> 02:04:20,107
meeting with all of
the edits for us to

1862
02:04:20,119 --> 02:04:22,023
go through this process
again and like kind

1863
02:04:22,023 --> 02:04:24,060
of ratify the edits or
how we can handle that.

1864
02:04:31,560 --> 02:04:33,864
I thought that far ahead. But
now that you mentioned that

1865
02:04:33,864 --> 02:04:36,087
the november meeting that
seems like a really long ways

1866
02:04:36,099 --> 02:04:38,450
away. Right. But we have our
special meeting, which is for

1867
02:04:38,450 --> 02:04:40,680
a specific thing, which
isn't about this. So I suppose.

1868
02:04:47,260 --> 02:04:49,214
yeah, that's true. We
did. I didn't mention that

1869
02:04:49,214 --> 02:04:51,168
I wanted some time to go
through the the compass

1870
02:04:51,180 --> 02:04:53,058
regarding the 3234 so I
guess the short answer

1871
02:04:53,058 --> 02:04:55,060
is yes, I guess this would
come back in november.

1872
02:05:09,909 --> 02:05:12,333
I think what I will do, though,
if I can, and time allows. I

1873
02:05:12,333 --> 02:05:14,877
think what I'll do is that most
edits are there other than this

1874
02:05:14,889 --> 02:05:17,399
research component here on
number four thing that what I could

1875
02:05:17,399 --> 02:05:19,949
do is just send out a red line
and then bcc and then you could.

1876
02:05:22,060 --> 02:05:24,483
if anybody wants to provide
me any feedback before november,

1877
02:05:24,483 --> 02:05:26,988
you can tell me if I got it wrong.
And then that way we're not

1878
02:05:27,000 --> 02:05:29,430
looking at it for the first
time, you know, right beforehand

1879
02:05:29,430 --> 02:05:31,859
kind of thing. I think that
would be helpful to me at least.

1880
02:05:44,710 --> 02:05:46,893
yeah, I mean, we do this
with the recommended edits. I

1881
02:05:46,893 --> 02:05:49,238
mean, eventually, eventually,
even after all this is done,

1882
02:05:49,250 --> 02:05:51,317
it still have to go to for
off a beaten path and by

1883
02:05:51,317 --> 02:05:53,750
continue to talk about it. We
can't, you know, so if we can.

1884
02:05:56,010 --> 02:05:59,114
I'm not, I mean, your
edits are, are not that many.

1885
02:05:59,126 --> 02:06:02,060
so, but I, if I see any
red flags, I'll do that.

1886
02:06:17,109 --> 02:06:20,113
okay, perfect. So, is, is that an acceptable
timeline to, to, so basically then within

1887
02:06:20,125 --> 02:06:23,036
the next, I don't know, maybe by october
you're sending us out the edited document.

1888
02:06:23,060 --> 02:06:27,127
and then you're bringing that back to
us in november. And pretty much at that

1889
02:06:27,139 --> 02:06:31,060
point, we've all looked at it and
we've all said, yes, this is good to go.

1890
02:06:32,310 --> 02:06:34,221
yeah, that's right, that's right,
collect a recommendation.

1891
02:06:34,233 --> 02:06:36,060
right, and then we make our
recommendations. Yeah, okay.

1892
02:06:36,060 --> 02:06:40,060
is that sound good to the information?
Okay, wonderful.

1893
02:06:44,960 --> 02:06:47,482
oh, I just staff understand all
the direction on, on this item.

1894
02:06:47,494 --> 02:06:49,159
yeah, I think so.
Okay, great. Thank you.

1895
02:06:53,109 --> 02:07:00,060
alrighty, so that, that takes care of,
do we need to take a vote on that?

1896
02:07:07,060 --> 02:07:09,003
on the recommendations.
I'm not even sure how we

1897
02:07:09,003 --> 02:07:11,027
would, I suppose if you
want to take a vote on it,

1898
02:07:11,039 --> 02:07:13,028
your, your, if I can, so
I'll repeat what I think

1899
02:07:13,028 --> 02:07:15,220
would be a good recommendation
based upon all of this.

1900
02:07:26,335 --> 02:07:28,799
I would say that the recommendation
of the traffic commission

1901
02:07:28,799 --> 02:07:31,182
is for city staff to receive
the proposed edits and to do a

1902
02:07:31,194 --> 02:07:33,624
red line document for presentation
of the traffic commission

1903
02:07:33,624 --> 02:07:36,095
at the next available meeting
which is likely to be november.

1904
02:07:47,810 --> 02:07:49,954
and then the second item
that I heard you say earlier

1905
02:07:49,954 --> 02:07:52,018
was, is that you're
recommending city staff, pursue

1906
02:07:52,030 --> 02:07:54,100
the technology, collective
vehicle data technology,

1907
02:07:54,100 --> 02:07:56,130
if and when that the,
the, it stops becoming free.

1908
02:07:57,210 --> 02:08:01,424
does everybody understand the recommendations?
I'll first that recommendation

1909
02:08:01,436 --> 02:08:05,060
if you want to be needed for
georgia. Julie was that as he put it.

1910
02:08:08,210 --> 02:08:10,211
yeah, this is some smiles over
here. I mean, that we got it on

1911
02:08:10,211 --> 02:08:12,343
video. We got on recording. So I
think we got it. We'll find a way

1912
02:08:12,355 --> 02:08:14,427
to clean up a little bit as long
as they give us a little bit of

1913
02:08:14,427 --> 02:08:16,435
leeway on the language exactly,
but I think we got that right.

1914
02:08:16,460 --> 02:08:20,156
okay, so we're good. Yeah, so if you want
to take a vote on that. Okay, everybody

1915
02:08:20,168 --> 02:08:24,060
understands the recommendation. I'll make
a motion to accept staff's recommendations.

1916
02:08:24,159 --> 02:08:31,060
I'll second, and we have a second on clerk.
You can take the.

1917
02:08:31,810 --> 02:08:37,060
vice chair patel. Aye. Chair miller.
Aye. Commissioner jones. Aye.

1918
02:08:37,060 --> 02:08:39,060
commissioner caputo. Aye.

1919
02:08:40,310 --> 02:08:45,060
motion passes unanimously.
Thank you. Thank you. Okay.

1920
02:08:52,159 --> 02:08:55,483
that moves us forward to our informational
items. And at this time, we're

1921
02:08:55,495 --> 02:08:59,060
going to have our police chief provide
our sheriff's department verbal report.

1922
02:08:59,409 --> 02:09:01,060
sir.

1923
02:09:01,710 --> 02:09:07,060
sir, as I have nothing to report
tonight since, since last meeting.

1924
02:09:07,085 --> 02:09:11,922
well, I will say that you put together
a wonderful national night out.

1925
02:09:11,947 --> 02:09:16,060
it was a wonderful event out
at the park. It was well attended.

1926
02:09:16,085 --> 02:09:20,289
they had all of their
special forces out there,

1927
02:09:20,314 --> 02:09:22,788
including all your
drone technology, which

1928
02:09:22,813 --> 02:09:28,862
is amazing. So thank you so much for putting
together a wonderful event for the city.

1929
02:09:28,887 --> 02:09:33,755
it was very well done. Very well done.

1930
02:09:33,780 --> 02:09:37,622
yes, that moves us
forward to agenda item 4.2.

1931
02:09:38,196 --> 02:09:41,795
and this is our city
engineer's verbal report.

1932
02:09:41,977 --> 02:09:47,621
I have no report to provide tonight.
Okay, thank you. That brings us forward

1933
02:09:47,645 --> 02:09:51,173
to our commissioner comments, and
we can start down here with mr. Caputo.

1934
02:09:52,691 --> 02:09:55,305
no comments. No comment.

1935
02:09:55,512 --> 02:10:00,496
just a quick request for city
staff. So during the meeting

1936
02:10:00,520 --> 02:10:04,545
next month, I was wondering
if we could bring just for

1937
02:10:04,569 --> 02:10:08,601
purposes of discussion, the
1994 parking ordinance to set

1938
02:10:08,626 --> 02:10:14,675
up the permit parking for
everyone to review any prior

1939
02:10:14,700 --> 02:10:17,324
parking agendas, maybe
just like even the staff

1940
02:10:17,348 --> 02:10:21,153
reports, not necessarily
all the addendum behind

1941
02:10:21,177 --> 02:10:24,060
it. So at least, you
know, some of the various

1942
02:10:24,084 --> 02:10:27,875
issues are at top of
mind or even a list, maybe.

1943
02:10:32,535 --> 02:10:39,348
so there's usually, we have 14 permit parking, are you talking about the permit parking district ones

1944
02:10:39,372 --> 02:10:45,107
specifically or the the parking permit
district specifically, but also, you know,

1945
02:10:45,131 --> 02:10:47,139
situations like los alisos

1946
02:10:47,164 --> 02:10:50,787
and some of the other ones
that we've kind of discussed, just so that,

1947
02:10:50,812 --> 02:10:52,238
you know at least everyone has

1948
02:10:52,262 --> 02:10:55,256
it top of mind that, you know, over the years we've

1949
02:10:55,280 --> 02:10:58,885
discussed x y z

1950
02:10:58,909 --> 02:11:00,717
through all the greek alphabet letters almost. Yeah.

1951
02:11:00,742 --> 02:11:04,879
I will do my best. I'm anticipating that's a lot of pages.

1952
02:11:04,904 --> 02:11:10,978
but I'll do my best to
find, I think I know where I

1953
02:11:11,002 --> 02:11:13,070
think I know where you're
going with this to find a

1954
02:11:13,094 --> 02:11:16,389
good cross section of the
release to those those topics.

1955
02:11:16,750 --> 02:11:22,600
and, you know, our arterial highways and
collector streets and residential streets and

1956
02:11:22,625 --> 02:11:26,633
residential street parking, all those
things of parking being that was brought up.

1957
02:11:26,657 --> 02:11:28,686
yeah, the street
sweeping thing needs to be

1958
02:11:28,710 --> 02:11:32,001
brought up. It's going
to be an interesting

1959
02:11:32,026 --> 02:11:36,750
report. I had envisioned writing a dart
board of a report and letting everybody.

1960
02:11:36,774 --> 02:11:46,187
tell me what they think of it
kind of thing, you know, yeah,

1961
02:11:46,212 --> 02:11:49,003
okay, I do have a housekeeping
question. Yes, not a comment.

1962
02:11:49,027 --> 02:11:54,963
yes, for next next month's meeting, what's
the format of that obviously it's going

1963
02:11:54,988 --> 02:11:59,060
to be a full house with us and city council.
Is it going to be a workshop type table?

1964
02:11:59,307 --> 02:12:02,489
is it going to be at the chamber
here or how are we actually

1965
02:12:02,514 --> 02:12:05,923
going to, you know, what we
prepared for what we're working on?

1966
02:12:06,060 --> 02:12:11,721
it's going to be a, well,
we haven't done this before.

1967
02:12:11,746 --> 02:12:14,758
let's put it that way. Like on their seats that's why I was aking.

1968
02:12:15,203 --> 02:12:19,166
we are making history.
We are making history.

1969
02:12:20,085 --> 02:12:24,060
we are anticipating
this will be on the dais.

1970
02:12:24,986 --> 02:12:30,187
it is a city council meeting. So
with implementation of senate bill

1971
02:12:30,211 --> 02:12:38,967
707, which came july 1st, it needs
to be the full suite of technology.

1972
02:12:38,991 --> 02:12:44,398
so we need to, we need to
video it. We need to audio cast it

1973
02:12:44,740 --> 02:12:47,600
and we need to allow comments remote comments from the public to

1974
02:12:47,624 --> 02:12:52,419
telephone in. So the best position
that we're going to be able to

1975
02:12:52,443 --> 02:12:55,061
do that is going to be with the
technology that's here on the dais.

1976
02:12:55,587 --> 02:13:00,368
so right now off the top of my head,
I think it's going to be on the dais.

1977
02:13:00,392 --> 02:13:05,035
otherwise, doing it off the dais would
require a significant amount of work.

1978
02:13:05,060 --> 02:13:08,862
to your point though, there
are a limited number of chairs.

1979
02:13:08,874 --> 02:13:12,060
the good news is we
have chairs inside city hall.

1980
02:13:13,060 --> 02:13:17,765
so I think we're probably going to have
to share some monitors, some microphones.

1981
02:13:17,777 --> 02:13:21,060
those are just my thoughts
right off the top of my head.

1982
02:13:22,060 --> 02:13:23,795
and if we have done this joint meeting before

1983
02:13:23,819 --> 02:13:26,989
I'm just unaware of it. In my time here we haven't done it, so.

1984
02:13:27,013 --> 02:13:30,886
I'm excited for it. It's going to be interesting.

1985
02:13:30,911 --> 02:13:33,551
thank you. Any other? That was it. Okay.

1986
02:13:34,673 --> 02:13:40,634
so we're going to adjourn our
meeting tonight with our next meeting

1987
02:13:40,658 --> 02:13:44,802
that it sounds like it's a city council
meeting and we are their guests.

1988
02:13:48,717 --> 02:13:59,234
okay. Okay. That that that works.
And yeah. So september 16 at what time?

1989
02:13:59,260 --> 02:14:01,924
so our regularly scheduled traffic commission time.

1990
02:14:01,936 --> 02:14:05,060
so it'll be september 16
at six o'clock at six o'clock.

1991
02:14:05,409 --> 02:14:10,216
okay. Well, thank you. Wonderful meeting
tonight. Thanks for all the good work.

1992
02:14:10,228 --> 02:14:13,060
we got it done. And
this meeting is adjourned.