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We're good to go. Good evening, everyone, and call to order the regular council meeting for Tuesday, September 6th, and we acknowledge that we are conducting our business today in the unceded territory as Celix, Okanagan people. As council, we recognize the importance of doing our best to build respectful relationships that contribute to stirring the land and waters in the community within

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Integrity and consideration for future generations.

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And the first up is to adopt the agenda

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for the regular council meeting.

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Councilor Scarole, Councilor Arana.

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Those in favour, both.

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Motion carries.

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Thank you.

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And adoption of the minutes of the regular council meeting

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of August 16th.

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Councilor Gamble and Councilor McKenzie.

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Heirs or omissions.

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Very none.

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Those in favour, both.

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Motion carries.

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Thank you. I forgot to mention earlier. I didn't take a row call, but Councillor Cosa

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is attending online.

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The report for me is simply the regional district report that has been

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circulated. And the announcements, the pop-up recycling event will be held Saturday, September 17th,

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10 a.m. to 2 p.m. at the corner of Main Street and Hill Road, free drop off of glass bottles

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and jars, Styrofoam packaging, plastic bags, and other flexible plastic packaging as well

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as electronics will be accepted at the pop-up for that recycling. And I'm not sure if it's the last

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one of the, but regional district handles those.

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And presentation from our member of parliament,

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Tracy Gray. You come forward?

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Oh wow. Oh,

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we know. Okay, well, how about shall I start

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over for the record? So Tracy Gray, remember parliament? You get to go over the speakers with the important

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Okay, great. Well, I'm here to make a special presentation to you your worship for your long-standing career careers and service that you've had to the community. And so I'll read this official Parliamentary Certificate, which I will come up and present to you momentarily.

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Thank you.

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Congratulations, Mayor James Baker.

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I am pleased to extend my sincere congratulations as you retire as mayor of the district of Lake Country.

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You have truly shown what service is through your years as a director on the Central Okanagan Regional District Board,

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Lake Country's representative on the Colona Airport Advisory Committee, your involvement with the Okanagan Basin Water Board,

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your immeasurable involvement in various other groups, and above all your

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great service as the mayor of the District of Lake Country. Thank you for your

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commitment to our community. Well thank you very much.

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down to business thank you no no roasting yeah

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how he's good thing public

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comments not permitted during election period so no public comment tonight and

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development related applications and our chief building inspector is up Zara

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Notice on title for camp road.

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Good evening your worship and council. I'm here for a notice

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on title recommendation for 1525 camp road. So the property at 1525 camp road is placed

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on several tent structures without the benefit of building permits and we're recommending

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a notice on title on this property due to the owner not updating a building permit. So this

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is the subject property. You can see some of the tents over onto the left hand side of the

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screen there.

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So in May 2020, we were aware that they had some erected some of these tents

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and we sent out various letters throughout the process. They did come in with an application,

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but the application was incomplete and so that application did expire in September 2021.

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And then this brings the tents were re erected so we sent another letter out on June 21,

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2022. The property owner was in the office today to pick up some documents from that expired

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building permit application to try to put together completed application. But we have not received

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a complete building permit application at this time. Councillor Scaria in the question.

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Yeah, for the benefit of staff and council, I did have a lengthy conversation today with the

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owner of XDLO, Jeff. And there's a couple of things that I'm confused about. First off, we're

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We're talking about non-permanent structures, structures that are taken up every spring

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and taken down every September, and have been for the last seven years.

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So I'm curious to understand why we need a building permit for that or in fact why it needs

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to be supported with an engineering document.

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But beyond that, I'll get those questions answered later.

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Beyond that, Jeff has assured me that he has secured an engineer, and that the engineer now is working on the supporting documents that are required to give the district the confidence that these are safe and pose no risk.

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So outside of my questions of why he needs to have this building permit.

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He told me that when he bought the tents and he owns them, he doesn't rent them, he owns them.

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When he bought the tents, he was given basically a plan with the tent on how to construct it.

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And when the district queried that and wanted more assurance that it was safely built and

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things, he got an engineer to write a letter suggesting that it was installed to the specifications

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that the instructions or the plan laid out.

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So he felt that he had complied when he brought that letter in.

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It was also rejected, not what's required.

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What's required is an engineer stamp approval.

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And he's processing, he says within a next week or two, he would have that accomplished.

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and then he would be able to complete his building permit.

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So he has plans to do things the correct way.

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So after debate, I'm interested in deferring this,

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but I'll wait and hear what everyone else has to say.

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But Zarek, can you kind of highlight to me

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why it is a temporary tent that's taken up and put down every year

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and that's constructed to its specifications

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According to the engineer that signed off on that letter, why are we taking it further?

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There was quite a bit of other missing information required to do with the distances to other buildings.

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We never did get a proper site plan to detail how where these were exactly on the property, how close they were to other buildings.

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There was quite a few other things that were missing.

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Section 3.1 in the BC Building Code does apply to tent structures.

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And there was an appeal back a few years ago, 1640 BC Code Field, 1640.

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And they were questioning whether or not this was required for tent structures.

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And the province has said if they are housing an occupancy, they must.

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Okay. I guess the second part of my query is driving around a lake entry, in particular today. I noticed there's similar tents in latitude, there's similar tents in quite a few different areas that do commerce and farms and such and do all of those need to have. They should be having a building permits. I do have about 70 files that are still

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Well, coming forward for notice on title, I do work with these on an everyday basis trying to work the applicants and I have correspondents with everybody to try to get these into compliance.

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The section 12 under the BC under our building regulation by-law does deal with temporary structures and what is required to get a temporary structure building permit.

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So in the building regulation by-law, it does specifically save you're having a building less than 12 months.

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You need to have a building permit for temporary structure.

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So just to be clear, we have 70 files coming or a number of files coming forward that pertain to tents on.

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Well, I know I'm not sure that I'll be pertaining to tents.

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It's just a variety of things, but I am working on about 70 different files of expired building permits and people who have done work without permits.

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And there are some tents that are included in those files.

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Okay, right now in the district of Lake Country, do we have any tents that have a building permit approved?

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I can't recall off the top of my head, no, I don't know.

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So this would be the first one, perhaps.

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Okay.

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Okay, I definitely think we should give this man some time.

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Okay, thank you.

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Anybody else?

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Councillor McKenzie.

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So, you know, when you say that question about other tents there, I thought Ian Don also had a tent that we had approached as well with the same concern.

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But he removed his.

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So he took his down after we did this.

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Okay. So those tents obviously are engineered to start with, right?

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For somebody to build. So I just curious when you buy one of those things.

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I guess what we're requiring or the BC building code is requiring is that you go back to whoever you buy and get one of those letters.

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You actually, so you really need to, if you buy one, you have to plan on bringing an

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engineer in order to-

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The structural engineer will look at the design of the plans and also the installation

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to make sure that it compiles.

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So that's what the letters of assurance on the BC building code say is that they will

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look at the design and also the field review to ensure that they've been installed as per

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the plans.

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And then when that's done, if we get a letter Cb, this says they have gone and done that work, that's our reliance.

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Okay, so if somebody sets this up and just thinking out loud on this one, if you set this up one year and you have it engineered properly and we're approving it,

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when you pull it down and then set it back up again in the same spot, you're going to require...

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That's right. The next year, they'll need another temporary bill and government out case, which were all the same documentation as the previous year.

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So the cost of doing all that is that how, you know, I'm just thinking, you know, these are not a one Z thing in here. There's, there's a number of them around.

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And by the time you get through that file list you're not getting all 70 or however many

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tens they are.

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Or, you know what I'm thinking on this one, is that where your time is best, right?

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I'm just thinking out loud again, I'm just, that's a lot of files, and how is your-

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You have these ones because they're housing people from the public, and to me that's more

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more of a hazard than somebody who has a one in their backyard that has their them and their their spouse under it is being used in a public facility where the public is coming and people expect in the public to be able to go to a place that's safe.

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Okay, so what I'm looking at this one has.

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Yeah, so I like obviously if there's that many we just need to come up with which right because that's what you're seeing.

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So, to me, it seems like it'd be nice if we can get something that's a little easier process than what I'm hearing here, so.

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Well, I just further on in here, I do have the building bulletin from the city of Pentectin, so we do work very closely with regional people.

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Just to try to get consistency across the Okanagan, so exactly in this bulletin from Pentectin, they require exactly what I've been asking for.

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This is the procedure in Pentectin,

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in a public building they want these, and the appeal

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board from the BC province is saying that these are, because they have an occupancy,

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they need to be dealt with in a certain way, including structural engineering, and that's

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coming straight from the province.

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And the thing is, we have to remember is that even though we're in municipal government,

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I'm enforcing a provincial regulation, so ultimately, the province of BC has the final

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say.

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I guess my I have a wall tent that I spend a couple of weeks in a year, you know, when I got that I set that thing up. We live in it and stuff. And I just look at it and go, you know, what's different, right?

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So, let me say, I'm a personal use and commercial

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Councillor Gamble.

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Yes, I just wanted to ask, and maybe it doesn't compare,

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but the farmer's market that is down every Friday night.

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In writing this appeal from the province,

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it's saying those temporary ones that go up and down

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for the farmer's market are not considered

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to be a permanent structure, and they're not

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to be done under the BC building code.

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But these ones that are put up for the six months are to be dealt with as a building and do you need to meet this you building code including structural engineering and that is from the province.

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More

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permanent than temporary.

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Councillor.

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No, I was just seeing if I had anybody before you, but so Councillor Scarrow, second time around the part that Councillor McKenzie brought forward that I think is incredibly interesting as the fact that right now.

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For the sake of safety and wear and tear and stuff like that, Jeff takes down these tents every summer in the fall, September is what he suggested.

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So now you're telling me that when he puts them up again next spring, he's going to have to do all this over again.

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A temporary building permit is good for 12 months.

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If he wants to keep them up permanently, then that's a whole different story.

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That's where this is going.

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because if he gets a structural engineering, which he says to me, he's going to have in a week or two and he gets his building permit filled out and he gets it approved.

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He's not going to do all that again.

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So he's going to leave those buildings up for the winter and I wonder how does that benefit us and and you know, is it a risk and maybe maybe the owner might wish to speak to that, I do believe he's here.

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So is that allowed?

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The owner has the right to speak at Noa's on title.

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I can let the owner speak now.

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We can hear from the app.

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Do you need a motion to hear from the public?

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No.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Yes.

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Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

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No, you do not.

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To notice on title, the owner's provided notification that they can attend and speak to Noa's.

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So yes.

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Okay, do you come forward?

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This is, come forward, state, your name, thank you.

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Good evening, my name is Jeff Harder

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and I am one of the owners and partners of X-N-E-E-L.

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And before we get started,

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I want to thank you, Mayor, for your service as well.

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You're in Lake Country

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and you've been a big part of this community

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and since I moved here almost 30 years ago,

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we've saw a lot of your name, we've all been great.

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So thank you.

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So first of all,

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I'd like to mention to all of you that this has been a very challenging project for us at XNHilo to do.

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I'm not going to use COVID as part of the excuse, but I will because even trying to get information from the district during COVID that was holding me up and with lawyers are not lawyers with engineers, it's been very, very difficult.

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So, I would hope that before I speak a little bit further is that we could defer the notice

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on title for at least a couple more weeks because I'm paying a lot of money to do this.

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And just as Councillor McKenzie just said, he has one personally in his yard, safety's

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paramount with all of my customers and anybody that comes into our place.

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So, safety's always first.

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First, I don't think that's the issue and we want to comply and make things right.

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It's just the process that we've and the hoops that we've had to jump through.

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And I'm not an engineer and I'm not versed in this business at all.

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But what I will tell you is from my experience of this file is in with the building department

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I've been asking them to please hold my hand on this, and let's walk together because I think I'm in the first tent that this and if we could go back in the files and look and maybe shed some more light to help us get through this because it's been very difficult.

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One is we purchased the tent and it doesn't and for when I understand it's it's I'm temporary. What's temporary is it one month, six months a weekend? I don't know.

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So if we could clarify what's temporary and what that length of time is, would be great.

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Number one, number two is if it's at the park down here and that's just for the night or the weekend,

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they should all require the same thing because public's under that.

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I'm not, so I agree, we have public under there, not a lot.

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There'll be more people under the weekend tent at the park here than at my place on the weekend.

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We use it as an overflow and when the sun is hot.

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If there's bad weather or anything like that, we're not out there doing anything.

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Our people are inside the wineries.

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Number two is when I purchased this tent, it comes with an engineered stamp drawing from

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a BC accredited engineer from what I understand.

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I can see it on the file, it's there.

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Apparently I'm required to have an engineer come out and look and make sure that it was installed properly, which we have done.

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And I paid dearly for that and he stamped a letter, but apparently that's not good enough.

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And I think we need, and again, the schedules C or B or whatever letter it is, we need one of those.

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Now, to get an engineer that didn't design that tent to come out and kind of supersede,

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they're asking to do something that's kind of not what they're supposed to be doing.

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Apparently, I don't know. That's what I've told.

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So, I'm begging and pleading this engineer to say,

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just can you give me this latest schedule that's asked for?

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And so he's saying, yes, I'll do that, right?

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Wrong or otherwise, he's going to stamp a schedule and get this done.

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I have phoned and it was great to see that Pentectin's doing something because I have phoned other municipalities.

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I've talked to municipalities, or the tent manufacturers that have sold to municipalities.

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And they've never been asked for anything other, and maybe they're doing it internally,

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but other than the drawing that the manufacturer supplies it's stamped.

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So it's a big issue, it's a small thing, but it's a big issue apparently.

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I don't mind paying the $100 application fee.

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It did run out on me once or twice now.

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I did have drawings, when you hand over a file, the clerks here have been great,

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and they accepted it and took the first one, and now I'm told I'm missing something.

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So what I guess what we're missing is the schedule.

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Now I did have the drawings and in fact I picked them up today and the drawings are here.

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So of where everything is placed.

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and so it's just been difficult and we're a big part of the community here we

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employ almost 70 people at our place and we want to continue to comply I love

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this place we're gonna continue to grow here in Lake Country and we want to do

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things right there's lots of wineries I think there's some tents and I think

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there's some other wineries that are running out there without permits what I

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I understand, but that's another conversation.

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So in the meantime, what I'd like to ask for today from this console is to please give

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me, I was talking to Bill today, thank you for calling, by the way.

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And mention that I'm around the corner, I think, with everything that I have.

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And if the building department can, if next time I submit to please say, yeah, just one more thing, but help me with that.

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I've spent thousands of dollars, almost to the tune of what the tent cost me.

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And I'm not here to throw other businesses under the rug, but you can just drive right here at the RV place.

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They have they've had one up and I don't know if they take it down or what they do, but I don't know if they have a permanent end or not.

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So anyway, thank you. I'll take any questions.

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It's, thank you, Councillor Reid.

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Thank you for coming in, Geoff.

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And...

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I appreciate you talking and giving us, you know, where you've gone on this, I certainly will be supporting Councillor Scarrow's motion to defer. I just had a quick question. Yes. How big is the tent hat? What's the square for a ticket? Or square meter? One is 20 by 20 and one's 30 by 30 feet or meters? Yeah. And I've had them up close. Yeah, sorry, not meters feet. Yeah. And they are put up properly. And the engineers did come out and look at it. And they've been put up properly since we bought them almost eight years ago.

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Because I noticed the city of Vancouver has a tent permit requirements as well, and it's

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required building permits for tents, but it does specify that they have to be over 60 square

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metres.

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So I just wondered whether there's a refri- is there something in the building code that

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actually has a size?

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Because you'll sound smaller than that in my metric to a feet issue.

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I'm a purely metric guy, but I just wondered is there something that we could, that's size

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related to this because if the city of Vancouver, just on my brief Google, building permit application for temporary tents and stages, it says they're required for tents that exceed 60 square meters or 60 meters square in areas.

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So I don't think mine follows under that size, no.

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Okay, but yeah, and if I'm the first one out here, the guinea pig on this, I'm fine,

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but you know, long as we can work together, I guess, is my point, and my dad was the head

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of the inspection department in the province of Alberta construction and sadly as Parkinson's

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and he's trying to tell me some things that I should do, but not quite understanding them.

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But sadly, I think we've got some work to do on this.

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And I do want to make it right.

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And so it's easy for the next people because as your building department will tell you,

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this has been a long thorn.

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And I'll be honest, I threw up my hands a few times and send me a $300 fine or whatever and we'll take it down.

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I'm just, I'm at the end of my rope on this.

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So, but look, but I, in the last few days, I have made some headway with the engineer and he said, he'll do it.

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That's a bit of their ethics to count through Arlin.

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Yeah, thank you, Mr. Marin.

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Yeah, I'd be supporting Bill as well.

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I mean, I know how hard it is to, well, supporting his motion.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I have a fair bit of experience with tens of myself and my former career.

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and there's a big difference between your tents and the tents that are at

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Swawa Park, right? The tents that you have, I've actually been to the place that

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makes them in its in Surrey. It's on a massive farm in Surrey and you have no

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idea the amount of tents these guys turn out and the quality of those tents. It's

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a completely different thing. They're they're engineered to be safe. If you follow

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the directions, I've had them these same exact brand tents in City Park in

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in gales, absolute wind blowing beyond and they will not blow away if they're set up to the

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manufacturer's specifications. So anyway, that's another story. You know, we're here to try

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to work with the community and make the community better. And, you know, I think that we should

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work with Exnehello to get this done. Okay. Thank you, Councilor Arman. Thank you. Any further discussion?

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Councilor Scarot. Yeah, before I move deferral, I would like Council's input on the length

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of time that we should defer this to. I know Jeff has told us he only needs a couple

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of weeks, but I kind of like the thought of either deferring it until we have our elections

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and the new Council, or trying to deal with it on our last meeting before we leave Council,

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and I'm not too sure what Council's feeling is on that. I'd like to hear about that.

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Go ahead, Councillor Schell.

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I'll cancel it.

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I was going to give it more time than two weeks, because just an optimistic guy,

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I'm a pessimistic guy.

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It takes time.

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It takes time to get things done, so let's give him a proper amount of time to do it.

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A couple of months, I think.

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Well, Todd, say in three.

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Three.

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So can I, first of all, thank you all if you pass this or not.

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But what I, that's very kind.

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And I am, I want this solved and done, the tents will be down in three months.

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So we can visit, and I'll pay again if I have to, and we submit everything next season.

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But I do have, I'm getting close to the engineer giving me everything.

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And I think I could have it.

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So I'll submit it and work with the district regardless.

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Thank you.

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And then if we, we can just go from there but-

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We are here from the plan.

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Good job.

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With that.

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Thank you.

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I guess.

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Thank you.

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Do you need a motion now, sir?

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No.

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I don't hear it from Jerry.

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Good evening, council.

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Through the mayor.

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Just, I was just doing some brief research while I was listening to the debate going on here with regards to the building code and what it states and just to be clear.

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to so that everybody understands.

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So 3.1.63 does speak to tents specifically.

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And the fact that tents and air supported structures

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that are to be used with the public in mind

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are to comply with certain regulatory elements

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of the building code.

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And that's something that's a provincial regulation.

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and we can't, we can't necessarily deviate from.

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So we're asking for deferment to meet compliance.

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Right, yeah.

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I just want to make that clear for council

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that there is building code required.

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Councilor Cosa, did you have discussion on this?

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Yeah, there's not much more I can say

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that hasn't already been said, but no one I didn't read this.

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a Googled tense flying away, and if you watch the videos, there's some pretty horrific

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things that can be seen. So I understand the need for this. If there are 70 files, we

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can't expect her to go through all 70 and deal with them. So I wonder if we wanted to

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have like a promotional thing or not a promotional thing, but like something that's like an educational

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thing for those people that do have tense and or being more proactive on it and getting

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the back-end line instead of getting to this point where it's going back and forth maybe

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even have a session or something like that but no I'm all for deferment but if there's

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70 on this file that's going to take a long time to answer and that's going to burn up a lot

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hours. Thank you. That is a small number of files compared to what we used to have and it's not

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not all about tents, it's just in the building department itself, that there are places in

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the community that do not comply, and so it's not-

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I thought you said she had 70 tents.

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No, I don't think so.

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They're not all tents.

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I have 70 files to bring forward for a notice on title.

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There are a variety of different things, some of which are tents, but-

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Yeah, okay.

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Thank you.

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Perfect question.

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Yeah, before I make that motion, I'd like to speak to the director of planning again about the potential problem of having to go through this process every year.

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Is there anything within the BC legislature, BC us, rules and regulations there that can allow this a more organic type of existence rather than having to go through this process every year.

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The building environment every year?

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Yeah, the chief building inspector and I have had conversations about, no, there is no

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ability for, I mean, even lengthening out of the building permit, to extend to a two,

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four-year process, or permit for temporary structures to be taken up and down, but there's

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no provisions in our legislation that allow for that.

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So, it has to be done, Councillor, unless we change.

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unless Rollins changes. Let's make the motion to defer this for two months.

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Second. Councillor Reid had her hand up before you made your motion.

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Sorry, I just want to point to the BC's website. This is the government's website,

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bc.gov.bc.ca and on the BC Building Code, it says does the BC Building Code apply to temporary buildings?

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so temporary buildings might not need to meet the BC building code and then it

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actually differs to the local government and says contact your local government

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for further information. So even even the BC government is kind of going no this

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and so I yeah and I just wonder how Vancouver can have it on their website to say

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that it's only required if it's over 60 meters a square and it's you know real

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here from Chief Billion Inspector maybe. As far as the City of Vancouver is concerned they have

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the Vancouver Charter. They make their own room. Oh right. Thank you. Thanks for that clarification.

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Vancouver has their own building code. They don't apply to the BC building code because of the

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Charter. Okay. Our building regulation bylaw does specifically state temporary buildings require

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So every municipality may have a different building regulation bylaw that may speak differently to that but our specifically does say a temporary building does require a permit.

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And it couldn't be like a temporary use permit, which is for three years, even though you stop using the bill, you know, if you've got a temporary use permit and it's a three year valid, you can stop being using the temporary use aspect of it for any point during that three years and restart.

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out. And so you couldn't do that the same for 10s.

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It's temporary. Anyway, I made the motion serve for two months, but I have had discussion

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with my fellow councillors. They feel three months is more appropriate.

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Three months? Yeah, so I would like to withdraw the first motion and remove that the deferral

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goes for three months. All right. Seconded by Councillor Arlan.

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Understood? Any further discussion?

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Any further discussion?

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No, that may not be a favour.

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That's all come in.

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Jim Carri.

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Thank you.

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All right, next time.

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Temporary use permit.

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Next up.

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All right.

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Yes, you wait a minute.

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This is a notice on title for one here, one for bond road.

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This is blind tiger winery.

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They have done some commercial building additions

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conditions, including the addition of a commercial kitchen without building permit.

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So this is the subject of the meeting.

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One on the right one.

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Kind of small here.

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We were made aware back in 2019 that there was a building addition constructed without proper

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permits in place.

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A building permit application was received in October 2019.

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There was a lot of going back and forth about what was acquired.

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We did not get all the information required.

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and there is concerns with spatial separation that the building is not far enough away from the

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building next to it as required by BC building code and there was the threat of spread of fire so

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we have not been able to issue a building permit at this time and the property owner did come in

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May of 2022 and brought in basically the same application they had in before that was incomplete and we

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We did not take it in because we're not taking in complete applications.

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So the legislation and policies, same thing, community charter, allows us to put the notice

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on title with Council approval under Section 57, Building Regulation Baila, Baila Notice

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Enforcement Baila, Official Community Plan, Zoning Baila.

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So the commercial addition was constructed without the benefit of a Vailing Permit and

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today we have not received a complete building permit application.

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And there's some pictures of the structure.

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You can see it attached to the building there.

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And then there is another part where the commercial kitchen is with the commercial pizza hut.

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The owner and the audience was to present

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anything to Council.

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Very none.

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Anybody have any questions of the Chief Building Inspector,

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Councilor Reed?

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I think it's not a question of a comment, obviously this is dealing with fire and transmissibility

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towards the main structure, which is quite a different situation to the discussion previous

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as far as I can see it.

433
00:43:17,050 --> 00:43:23,870
And have the fire department had any comment on the pizza oven, or been to inspect it, or

434
00:43:23,870 --> 00:43:25,470
as it recognised as an issue?

435
00:43:26,690 --> 00:43:29,310
The complaint did come from interior health authority.

436
00:43:29,870 --> 00:43:30,190
Okay.

437
00:43:30,190 --> 00:43:30,230
Okay.

438
00:43:30,390 --> 00:43:32,770
So that's how we were made aware of it in the first place.

439
00:43:32,950 --> 00:43:33,090
Okay.

440
00:43:33,090 --> 00:43:36,330
It was another regulatory body.

441
00:43:36,710 --> 00:43:36,750
Yeah.

442
00:43:36,890 --> 00:43:36,970
Right.

443
00:43:38,210 --> 00:43:38,650
All right.

444
00:43:39,890 --> 00:43:40,750
Have a motion?

445
00:43:42,270 --> 00:43:42,470
Yeah.

446
00:43:42,930 --> 00:43:48,850
Um, notice on title, Councillor Reed and Councillor Arran.

447
00:43:49,590 --> 00:43:50,130
Those in favor?

448
00:43:52,030 --> 00:43:52,510
Opposed?

449
00:43:53,290 --> 00:43:53,830
None opposed?

450
00:43:54,010 --> 00:43:54,530
Motion carries.

451
00:43:54,750 --> 00:43:55,050
Thank you.

452
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:57,970
Notice on title for a moon road.

453
00:44:15,950 --> 00:44:27,210
Thank you, Mr. Mayor, they were online since the meeting started and when you asked if there were any comments, they did not raise their hand or turn their camera on. So they have left the meeting now.

454
00:44:28,310 --> 00:44:34,070
Are they back? Oh, they are back and their cameras on. So yes, the applicant is available.

455
00:44:34,070 --> 00:44:36,990
you could hear the

456
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:44,880
motion has been carried. You can pass a motion that the

457
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,080
motion be rescinded and then hear from the applicant.

458
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,300
Move to rescind it in a

459
00:44:54,300 --> 00:44:59,460
second is by those in favor of recent, opposed, motion carries.

460
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:09,740
All right, we're back to square one. If you're there for the applicant, you presumably have

461
00:45:09,740 --> 00:45:21,440
heard our chief building inspector and the issue that noncompliance on your property.

462
00:45:29,140 --> 00:45:29,980
Notice

463
00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:33,840
hear what you have to say with regard to that issue.

464
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:39,180
Can't hear you.

465
00:45:43,220 --> 00:45:47,690
Here's your mic is muted.

466
00:45:47,910 --> 00:45:54,070
Can you turn your mic on? Turn your mic on. There we go. How's that? Thank you.

467
00:45:54,850 --> 00:45:58,770
Okay. Thanks for everybody's patience. I'm new on this program here. Just figuring it out. Thank you.

468
00:45:59,430 --> 00:46:04,210
Yeah. My name is Corey Whalen. I'm here on behalf of Lentiger Winery. Jerry asked me to come on.

469
00:46:04,210 --> 00:46:09,750
is just traveling right now. So, just to touch on these last, there's only two

470
00:46:09,750 --> 00:46:13,550
outside on the items that I see listed on here, the spatial separation issue

471
00:46:13,550 --> 00:46:18,570
and the septic system. I just wanted to let everybody know that the septic system

472
00:46:18,570 --> 00:46:22,990
has been approved and that just happened in the last week with Dean's tech

473
00:46:22,990 --> 00:46:27,250
consulting and things are moving slow with the owners and trying to figure out

474
00:46:27,250 --> 00:46:32,830
what they need. Just generally some confusion and trying to get things done and I'm

475
00:46:32,830 --> 00:46:39,810
moving slowly. So that part's done. And on the spatial separation, that was the one part

476
00:46:39,810 --> 00:46:46,110
I wanted to touch on very quickly, if I could. The calculations from the DC-BC that were

477
00:46:46,110 --> 00:46:51,970
provided by our architect show that it isn't a safe fire distance, this building in question,

478
00:46:52,550 --> 00:46:58,850
but that there is a by-law for Lake Country that doubles that distance. So it's got to be

479
00:46:58,850 --> 00:47:03,150
further. And I just want to point out that the new fire hall is just down the hill from

480
00:47:03,150 --> 00:47:08,550
these guys really in sight. And so hope that there could be some consideration there.

481
00:47:10,430 --> 00:47:18,030
And so there's really no fire risk and the BCBC says so architect degrees. Well friend

482
00:47:18,030 --> 00:47:23,650
of mine Steve Thompson and neighbor came out to have a look back when and he saw no issues

483
00:47:23,650 --> 00:47:30,390
issues there. It just came back from the NAPI Valley where these vineyards are full of

484
00:47:30,390 --> 00:47:35,130
these types of structures and stuff and they're all irrigated around. So we're just going

485
00:47:35,130 --> 00:47:44,290
to request that the Council and Mr. Mayor approve option B which is listed in the remedies

486
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:53,350
or C which allows the property owner to bring that last item to compliance. So he already

487
00:47:53,350 --> 00:47:59,250
He knows he can remove a little piece of roof that converts this because there's no walls.

488
00:47:59,710 --> 00:48:05,030
It's basically would just be a pergola then and then it wouldn't qualify as a building.

489
00:48:05,570 --> 00:48:10,290
This was suggested by the architect back when and talked with the lead building inspector

490
00:48:10,290 --> 00:48:12,210
who agreed with that option at the time.

491
00:48:13,130 --> 00:48:17,130
So I guess the real crime here is just things moving really slowly.

492
00:48:17,910 --> 00:48:21,490
A lot of that is just understanding for the owners trying to figure out what they need

493
00:48:21,490 --> 00:48:21,890
to do.

494
00:48:21,890 --> 00:48:24,810
and the other part is just getting down to doing it.

495
00:48:25,090 --> 00:48:28,090
So, anyways, just down to that very last item.

496
00:48:28,550 --> 00:48:33,550
So, again, I'd ask either B or C be considered.

497
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:36,170
C is where it just comes into compliance in there.

498
00:48:36,590 --> 00:48:39,610
There is no notice placed on the property.

499
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:45,310
And the B is that the file just be closed, right?

500
00:48:45,550 --> 00:48:49,650
So either way the owner was heading towards C anyway

501
00:48:49,650 --> 00:48:56,190
hoping to get that done soon. And yeah, he wants to come up to compliance and that's what I've

502
00:48:56,190 --> 00:49:01,270
been pushing him to do the whole time and get it done. And I think it's a pretty simple case and

503
00:49:01,270 --> 00:49:06,810
he's done, but he's seven out of eight things that happen now. So he's almost there and

504
00:49:07,390 --> 00:49:11,930
you know they created 38 student jobs this summer. I'm really proud of them for doing that.

505
00:49:12,130 --> 00:49:17,390
They're a big part of the community. They want to comply and make this work. And it's just been

506
00:49:17,390 --> 00:49:23,110
moving slowly. So some understanding help from council, then maybe he have a chance to do that.

507
00:49:23,910 --> 00:49:25,890
So those are the requests we're bringing forward.

508
00:49:27,450 --> 00:49:31,950
Yes, thank you. Any councillors have questions for the

509
00:49:32,890 --> 00:49:34,370
representative? Councilor Scaram?

510
00:49:36,590 --> 00:49:37,450
Councilor Reed.

511
00:49:37,570 --> 00:49:42,650
Hi. Thanks very much for being here and being available to us. You're telling me that the owner

512
00:49:42,650 --> 00:49:49,490
has gotten seven tenths or 70% of the way down the list and there's an intention to get the

513
00:49:49,490 --> 00:49:57,470
rest of the way. My question would be how long do you need it? Well he's actually off in Europe,

514
00:49:57,470 --> 00:50:02,970
I think right now, so it would probably be going on this winter. There's no reason it wouldn't happen

515
00:50:02,970 --> 00:50:09,190
over the winter. I think that the one question that needs to be explored a little bit is what would

516
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:16,790
that Ramini B would complying with the BC building code be enough and if he needs to move

517
00:50:16,790 --> 00:50:21,030
for the there's a new fire hall just down the hill I don't know if that's changed anything

518
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:26,370
with the local bylaws. This was the question that was floating around for him. I mean worst

519
00:50:26,370 --> 00:50:31,630
case scenario he takes off about I think it's 10 or 15 feet of roof off the structure. It's

520
00:50:31,630 --> 00:50:36,650
not a huge thing but he just wanted to be crystal clear on what the requirement was and

521
00:50:36,650 --> 00:50:39,530
And that was his last trip into the city was what that was about.

522
00:50:40,270 --> 00:50:45,250
And I think he just got a little frustrated overwhelmed with it and gave me a call on

523
00:50:45,250 --> 00:50:45,850
that so I could help.

524
00:50:46,010 --> 00:50:50,830
I could just provide a little bit of information about what I know about our bylaws and district

525
00:50:50,830 --> 00:50:57,470
as many times we exceed the provincial standards because we feel our standards should be at

526
00:50:57,470 --> 00:50:59,590
a different level than what the province dictates.

527
00:50:59,990 --> 00:51:05,850
So the fact that you've built your particular property based on BC standards, the Lake

528
00:51:05,850 --> 00:51:10,410
country standards are what apply to you and those of the standards that you need to comply with.

529
00:51:11,490 --> 00:51:12,010
Thank you.

530
00:51:12,110 --> 00:51:12,550
That's fair.

531
00:51:14,070 --> 00:51:16,450
Do you have information on what?

532
00:51:16,490 --> 00:51:20,270
Yeah, I'll just clarify because it is not a like country regulation.

533
00:51:20,590 --> 00:51:24,330
It is a DC building code regulation and what it says is that if the fire department cannot

534
00:51:24,330 --> 00:51:28,530
respond within 10 minutes, you must double your limiting distance that's used in your special

535
00:51:28,530 --> 00:51:32,950
separation calculations and due to the fact that we have an on-call fire department and

536
00:51:32,950 --> 00:51:34,410
not a fall time to fire department.

537
00:51:34,730 --> 00:51:36,610
We cannot meet the 10 minute response time

538
00:51:37,160 --> 00:51:38,990
regardless of the location of the building.

539
00:51:39,690 --> 00:51:40,970
It's just due to the staffing.

540
00:51:41,870 --> 00:51:44,250
And so they do have to do the double limiting distance

541
00:51:44,250 --> 00:51:45,890
and that is a BC building code requirement.

542
00:51:46,730 --> 00:51:47,630
Okay, thank you.

543
00:51:48,470 --> 00:51:52,650
And that the, that's pretty good on call.

544
00:51:53,470 --> 00:51:58,650
Is a factor basis versus the full time.

545
00:51:58,890 --> 00:52:01,530
But our paid on call are as good as full time.

546
00:52:01,530 --> 00:52:03,710
and we just don't pay them all their time.

547
00:52:06,610 --> 00:52:09,530
Yeah, we do a great job, Councillor O'Reade.

548
00:52:09,970 --> 00:52:12,230
Thank you, Corey, for being on the line there.

549
00:52:12,430 --> 00:52:19,770
So my question would be similar to Councillor Scarrows, we started in 2019, three years ago,

550
00:52:20,530 --> 00:52:21,870
and we're here now.

551
00:52:24,030 --> 00:52:30,150
So that's quite a while to have been given time to complete it.

552
00:52:30,150 --> 00:52:35,210
And, you know, I do love blind tiger and I think that's some events up there and it's a great place.

553
00:52:35,630 --> 00:52:41,050
So, but if we, you know, for me, I'm thinking the same as we had our previous discussion.

554
00:52:41,170 --> 00:52:47,510
If it's extended, it needs to have a deadline, because obviously an open option is not really working.

555
00:52:48,730 --> 00:52:53,710
And maybe a timeline would help focus and help, you know, put a conclusion on this.

556
00:52:53,930 --> 00:52:58,910
So if, if, if a period of three months was given, do you think that's achievable?

557
00:53:00,150 --> 00:53:10,550
I think that's achievable. I think that's really understanding. I could say that if it was all at my fingertips, things move a lot quicker to, so I understand where you're coming from there.

558
00:53:11,030 --> 00:53:15,290
Okay. So I would make a motion to differ for three months.

559
00:53:30,790 --> 00:53:44,130
Thank you very much for your service, Mr. Mayor, I'm checking out, everybody have a great

560
00:53:44,130 --> 00:53:45,110
Thank you.

561
00:53:45,490 --> 00:53:46,370
All right.

562
00:53:46,610 --> 00:53:47,190
Good.

563
00:53:49,780 --> 00:53:50,400
And you're up.

564
00:53:50,860 --> 00:53:51,300
Any

565
00:53:54,820 --> 00:53:55,340
department.

566
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:57,900
Good evening, Marin Council.

567
00:53:58,060 --> 00:53:59,180
My name is Tamara Cameron.

568
00:53:59,340 --> 00:54:00,480
And I'm the manager of planning.

569
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:09,380
This evening, I am presenting a temporary use permit, TP-2022-002 for the property at 103-03-03-Bottom

570
00:54:09,380 --> 00:54:10,060
Wood Lake Road.

571
00:54:10,720 --> 00:54:17,120
This property is designated Parkland and Conservation in the OCP and it is Zoned P1 Public

572
00:54:17,120 --> 00:54:18,200
Park and Open Space.

573
00:54:18,200 --> 00:54:25,460
This TUP application is to allow the continued operation of Little Owl Academy, a care facility

574
00:54:25,460 --> 00:54:30,680
major for up to 25 children on the subject property for an additional three years.

575
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:39,180
We did send notices out and put one advertisement in the newspaper and we did not receive any correspondence

576
00:54:39,180 --> 00:54:44,840
from the public regarding this application, and the applicant is not available this evening

577
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:46,540
unless she is online.

578
00:54:46,540 --> 00:54:51,450
That's for Scarlet. Move the extension.

579
00:54:53,150 --> 00:54:56,670
Councilor Arden, thank you. Any discussion? Those in favour?

580
00:54:57,410 --> 00:54:59,930
I suppose, Mr. Carey, thank you. That's great job.

581
00:55:02,530 --> 00:55:04,010
We've got to keep you up with Pete.

582
00:55:09,290 --> 00:55:09,650
Yes.

583
00:55:10,830 --> 00:55:11,130
Mayor Baker.

584
00:55:14,290 --> 00:55:15,250
Mayor Baker.

585
00:55:18,990 --> 00:55:24,010
Thank you just in regards to the last item because it is a temporary use permit we do are

586
00:55:24,010 --> 00:55:31,950
required to ask if there is anybody in the audience who we should to address console

587
00:55:31,950 --> 00:55:33,470
on the temporary use permit.

588
00:55:34,630 --> 00:55:39,390
Second time of asking, third time of asking, there it's been asked and nobody's there.

589
00:55:41,730 --> 00:55:44,050
I think you forgot about that.

590
00:55:44,050 --> 00:55:45,610
Temporary use permit.

591
00:55:53,010 --> 00:55:58,330
Morbility improvement programme, you're doing that a little

592
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:06,420
quail for all of you.

593
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:11,900
Okay, give me your worship, my name is Council, I have your Salmon, Director of Engineering

594
00:56:11,900 --> 00:56:14,180
and Environmental Services here at the district.

595
00:56:16,020 --> 00:56:22,840
So, here to consider the adoption of the mobility improvement program, so a bit of background,

596
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:27,120
I guess, really first as to how this fits in, mobility master plan was adopted, you may

597
00:56:27,120 --> 00:56:32,020
recall in February 2021, and together with the mobility improvement program, we'll form

598
00:56:32,020 --> 00:56:38,580
the new suite of mobility-slash transportation plans to replace the transportation for tomorrow

599
00:56:38,580 --> 00:56:38,900
plan.

600
00:56:39,640 --> 00:56:43,560
And you can see from the slide there that the mobility's master plan's focus was more on the

601
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:48,180
strategic elements that were covered previously by transportation for tomorrow and mobility

602
00:56:48,180 --> 00:56:53,180
improvement programme was focused on the operational elements and previously transportation

603
00:56:53,180 --> 00:56:57,780
to our did both of those things, but as we updated our plans we thought it was prudent

604
00:56:57,780 --> 00:57:02,700
to just separate the two. Both these documents redefine the district's

605
00:57:02,700 --> 00:57:08,740
transportation network as the mobility network and the focus is on addressing inequity and

606
00:57:08,740 --> 00:57:14,060
ensuring mobility for all and equity mobility speaks to providing safe, efficient and affordable

607
00:57:14,060 --> 00:57:20,560
travel options for all ages and ability. And these aspects all speak to social, sustainability

608
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:22,360
and creating balance.

609
00:57:25,160 --> 00:57:29,200
And that keyboard's not working because I'm using it. So we'll go

610
00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:29,700
on to mouse.

611
00:57:36,730 --> 00:57:41,450
OK, so the version of the mobility improvement programme presented for adoption is the

612
00:57:41,450 --> 00:57:49,390
of nearly three years' work by staff and selected specialist partners, and we have Tom

613
00:57:49,390 --> 00:57:53,130
Balgartner from a line engineering who has been instrumental in putting this programme

614
00:57:53,130 --> 00:57:53,910
together for us.

615
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:59,390
The mobility improvement programme has evolved and refined over the

616
00:57:59,390 --> 00:58:02,890
course of the project through input from many stakeholders, such as District Lake Country

617
00:58:02,890 --> 00:58:05,610
Council, staff consultants and regional partners.

618
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:16,200
A 20-year programme provides a sustainable infrastructure

619
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:20,900
plan that meets the needs of the growing community, and is complementary to the mobility

620
00:58:20,900 --> 00:58:24,760
must plan and continues to build upon the philosophy and guidance principles created

621
00:58:25,300 --> 00:58:29,460
by the transportation of a tomorrow plan, and that's just a quick snapshot of the mobility

622
00:58:29,460 --> 00:58:33,540
must plan recommendations that Council may recall. There's 12 of them, and there are

623
00:58:33,540 --> 00:58:35,760
two that are pertinent to this particular plan.

624
00:58:39,980 --> 00:58:47,760
In terms of progress, from in creating a mobility policy, the creation of the mobility programme

625
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:53,320
is the last step in creating the refreshed policy direction to meet the mobility needs of

626
00:58:53,320 --> 00:58:58,100
community, and there's just a summary of some of the actions that we've taken that led us to where

627
00:58:58,100 --> 00:58:58,620
we are today.

628
00:59:03,660 --> 00:59:06,440
As previously mentioned, we've collectively been working on this for some time,

629
00:59:06,820 --> 00:59:14,080
so a quick summary of some of the key stages, master end points that Council have been involved in,

630
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:21,080
so February 2021, master plan, the mobility master plan was adopted, and then in August,

631
00:59:21,220 --> 00:59:24,020
the same year we had a stretch session on the road condition assessment and findings,

632
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:27,280
and

633
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:31,720
mobility improvement programme was to understand what the current condition of our road network

634
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:36,080
is and then compare that to where we thought we would be in the transportation for tomorrow

635
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:41,980
programme. That same month we had an update on the mobility mass planning implementation,

636
00:59:42,620 --> 00:59:47,420
so that's those 12 recommendations we just saw two in the last slide. And in December of

637
00:59:47,420 --> 00:59:53,340
2021 we had a stretch session on the mobility improvement programme develop and here we are

638
00:59:53,340 --> 00:59:56,160
today looking at the adoption of the programme.

639
00:59:58,710 --> 00:59:59,810
So, some key aspects.

640
01:00:00,340 --> 01:00:30,320
I am contained within the mobility improvement program. Again, some arise there, but the 20-year program is based on assessment criteria, set out in transportation to moral plan and there was a lot of work that went into that, so we felt there was no need to recreate that assessment criteria. The projects are prioritised based on the condition assessment, I just mentioned, that was conducted in 2021, and the pricing has been adjusted to reflect

641
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:57,720
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650
01:02:08,830 --> 01:02:31,290
cryzaeddael yn gynhen i gwneud fel Ysgyrd wneud fel y tufysylyd ceris lleen y Civil ofrir ar sa ar Falford.

651
01:02:31,290 --> 01:02:37,170
Mae gynill ac am yn pwsm yn pobeth yw'r ei roed arwn, ac yn sylwodraf yn ei ei foffatio.

652
01:02:38,170 --> 01:02:43,670
A ddyn niebu'r gynill ac amdw'r gynill ac amdw'r gynill ac amdw'r gynill ac amdw'r gynill ac amdw'r

653
01:02:43,670 --> 01:02:45,290
gynill ac amdw'r yn rhani ar y gynill ac amdw'r erau rhani itis rhani ar hympaniedrigaeth,

654
01:02:45,290 --> 01:02:51,250
mae yw'r gynill ac amdw'r gynill ac amdw'r un充 llwydd yn un充ffrau maenau gynill.

655
01:02:51,250 --> 01:02:52,330
ydiad sy'n arall gwloeb.

656
01:02:56,010 --> 01:03:01,030
Mae'r dynnaeth gandenda meitholio gyda yw yw'r cymredd i fel cwyt yn amgylwod.

657
01:03:01,550 --> 01:03:03,490
Mae'n cargynsag i'r cyfrifad ac yn yr gyda fwy.

658
01:03:03,490 --> 01:03:07,230
Felly ac eu fynd i ffntraeth cypracion door yn y llanc y gyda ymrnau,

659
01:03:08,810 --> 01:03:13,830
ac ddynnaeth gandendaeth gandendaeth gandendaeth gandendaeth a yw'r cymbagos.

660
01:03:13,830 --> 01:03:14,330
Felly'n yw'r cymbagos.

661
01:03:14,550 --> 01:03:15,910
Mae'n migdol yw'r cymbagos.

662
01:03:17,910 --> 01:03:24,870
Mae'n mynd einnaeth am ymwydig darod cypaint o gwahanol o gynorthi ddodnaeth gom

663
01:03:24,870 --> 01:03:27,930
i'n gwasanaethau cyndi £20.24 o gytu o sat cofdau.

664
01:03:30,030 --> 01:03:32,030
Mae'r gysylltiau.

665
01:03:32,730 --> 01:03:36,830
Mae'n gwasanaethu pwydgrag ar y cykwllau gwnaeth oedau unrhyw am ymdraeg

666
01:03:36,830 --> 01:03:38,190
ac hwnnwyr, mae'r oes i ac deimdru, mae'r gwasanaethu apfais

667
01:03:38,190 --> 01:03:39,810
mae'n gwa'r gwasanaethu samsyn.

668
01:03:39,810 --> 01:03:44,450
Mae'r gwasanaethu pwydgrag yn gwasanaethu pwydgrag

669
01:03:44,450 --> 01:03:45,850
gwasanaethu pwydgrag ymw'r gwasanaethu apfais

670
01:03:45,850 --> 01:03:47,950
mae'n gwasanaethu pwydgrag gwasanaethu pwydgrag

671
01:03:47,950 --> 01:03:53,570
Bot yn yli, ymwr i'n cylwte ffryniad i ffwr'i pan y ni cyntaf oeddwn i'r cylwte.

672
01:03:53,830 --> 01:04:02,310
Dwi'n yw fynd i pwni ffwr i'n chwy oeddwn i'r losses.

673
01:04:02,310 --> 01:04:07,050
Mae'r cyfrwte yna fwyaf yn ni'n ac mae oeddwn i'r sylfa unrhyw sidio.

674
01:04:07,150 --> 01:04:13,330
Mae'n ffwr i'u rwy'n rhaid o ffer yng Nghymdoriaeth ymu.

675
01:04:13,330 --> 01:04:16,830
un ioddiad o le сторn sydd newu.

676
01:04:16,830 --> 01:04:20,370
Gennych yw hynny o gw financing a mae🊂ig wedi ymraeg dign wneud imagingwaston yla.

677
01:04:20,370 --> 01:04:25,790
Si ffordd yng Nghymnau fod, ac Ond siplegio wedi'n gbowters mwrs mewn i Mark Vierstveid.

678
01:04:25,790 --> 01:04:29,330
Mae yna yn doneregg yn y plyll tsp neu reinstaf ygu yma,

679
01:04:30,630 --> 01:04:35,970
a yn un ni i blenial o ar Y Wann felly oょll.

680
01:04:35,970 --> 01:04:39,030
ac darwch亚 fel gwaith i ydiw scot.

681
01:04:39,250 --> 01:04:44,450
Podestrian bryd ei ddiwch chi gwaith sydd o ffydlwch â gallu diwch chi aethrwy.

682
01:04:44,450 --> 01:04:51,290
Ond aethu sefyllwng daethau gwaith i gyfer gwbodorau y bodeddech yn fferwch.

683
01:04:51,990 --> 01:05:00,030
Mae gwneud gweithoel diolch yn ffydlwng gwaithau failwng hwy.

684
01:05:00,030 --> 01:05:03,610
Ym gan pwg i'n gwaithio fy llawr yw yw gwneud waswyr.

685
01:05:04,590 --> 01:05:09,230
Drôn i'n gwaithio reithio trytus yw gwaithio i'n gwaithio i'n ddechrau'u

686
01:05:09,230 --> 01:05:11,990
gydai myd yma a doedio ananddolion.

687
01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:13,510
i'n llawe.

688
01:05:14,070 --> 01:05:15,910
Waith o'n un rmon,

689
01:05:15,910 --> 01:05:20,030
a'r pwldurachta whentra i'r $11,300,000.

690
01:05:22,310 --> 01:05:24,350
Ond i'n llawe maidd,

691
01:05:24,350 --> 01:05:25,830
ac i'r $8,000 i'r $8,000.

692
01:05:26,450 --> 01:05:27,570
Ryd mith iaith ar gyda'r $8,000.

693
01:05:27,570 --> 01:05:31,930
Sfoeth a'r $8,000,

694
01:05:39,370 --> 01:05:40,650
eu dod,

695
01:05:40,650 --> 01:05:42,770
ni ar ymwchoddiau gyda'r fagiwch.

696
01:05:43,650 --> 01:05:46,890
Ithaf ddysgethau gwneud bethau arall yn cyflefan,

697
01:05:46,890 --> 01:05:52,970
mae'n niw'n poig ddoliant yshwtwyrd spoeg r�eg.

698
01:05:52,970 --> 01:05:54,150
O fowr ddolio ei roedd,

699
01:05:54,150 --> 01:05:55,550
maen nhw'n ni oed,

700
01:05:55,550 --> 01:05:57,790
mae ymrhoedd yn gallwch gyda'i chi adegu i wedi.

701
01:05:57,870 --> 01:06:00,270
O henna, hwnnw'n ni barhau'i wedi'i chi'n gweithu,

702
01:06:00,270 --> 01:06:01,250
a nesbrewg i'n gweithu.

703
01:06:02,770 --> 01:06:07,710
aeym yn fydd ymgynod o'r cymuno'r dynnau, nad fethau hynny wneud fethau hynny a ymgynod o'r cymuno.

704
01:06:07,710 --> 01:06:14,210
Felly, ac yn fyddwch yn mewn y ddweud maengrant, ac ymg a ffydruwch,

705
01:06:14,210 --> 01:06:14,370
oedau.

706
01:06:16,510 --> 01:06:19,830
Mhwydd y ddweud ein mewn ddweud amser adethau,

707
01:06:23,130 --> 01:06:30,730
a mae'r cymuno feu'r cymuno feu'r cymuno, mae'n myndnod ymg aion yaseun,

708
01:06:30,730 --> 01:06:31,230
a'r cymuno feu'r cymuno fel aion yn gwrichtolio gyda cymuno dawn dweudau

709
01:06:31,230 --> 01:06:33,050
yn gwbod yn fwyais i'n gwaith.

710
01:06:33,050 --> 01:06:33,410
Ond i'n glillau fel cymuno.

711
01:06:34,130 --> 01:06:35,930
Ond iawn i'n gwaith.

712
01:06:36,510 --> 01:06:37,450
Skwydw yna enn eit yn gweld.

713
01:06:41,690 --> 01:06:44,870
Weledol, no wrnt bafnodd i'n gwaith.

714
01:06:44,870 --> 01:06:46,330
Mae'n gweld rhawn i'n rydmol a'r ddais.

715
01:06:47,270 --> 01:06:48,010
I segrod am styd.

716
01:06:48,010 --> 01:06:48,690
Felly mae'n gwaith.

717
01:06:49,050 --> 01:06:51,770
Dwi'n gwaith o styd yn gweld arall.

718
01:06:51,770 --> 01:06:55,090
Chu yn gall iy ychwan amell.

719
01:06:55,110 --> 01:06:57,430
Dwi'r eu cyfragertui i'r penswr hymdiad.

720
01:06:57,810 --> 01:06:59,950
S customerspl goodiaethu a mylawerau a chi'n gwyrdiol diw chi yn gwahan cantraeth

721
01:06:59,950 --> 01:07:05,210
syddol y Seóndalan'i醫woofnir byr sut y tri behwn am genig a rhaol

722
01:07:05,210 --> 01:07:06,010
sy y pugller Autaradosol.

723
01:07:09,340 --> 01:07:11,430
Diolch yma d Steve Ray, ai ac sy'n llwyf wedi beth an'n beio,

724
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,200
Likel eraill meŵwbys.

725
01:07:16,200 --> 01:07:18,320
Felly wrth gydw yna gydwch ni fi yna rydyn bwysiwch.

726
01:07:19,300 --> 01:07:21,240
gallwch, dw'n ei waithu gydwch, da'r gweld hynny.

727
01:07:21,720 --> 01:07:25,540
Dwi'n ffegedwch chi'n ddu fel ei,

728
01:07:25,540 --> 01:07:29,720
a'r mai yrdy'r gweld wedi wrth gydwch.

729
01:07:30,020 --> 01:07:32,180
Faidwch ar yn ffordd, llywn ei ddu,

730
01:07:32,340 --> 01:07:32,800
fellywn i gweld trif birain.

731
01:07:33,720 --> 01:07:36,320
Ond fewn ei gweld fy'n nhw.

732
01:07:36,500 --> 01:07:42,320
Mae'n sylfa fewn fy'n gyddy yn oedit.

733
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:57,000
ac rhwngser am hyn yn ei dynau fel ei rhwng fel ei fwynau fwsteid繊dau yn f�odraethu'r bai***g a wneud hyrfodraethau'r

734
01:07:57,000 --> 01:07:58,920
rhan mae'r sgwni ei hwnnol ddod, fel ei dweudfodraethu'r rhan o'r budduc yn fath yn f�odraethu'r

735
01:07:58,920 --> 01:08:11,700
ar gyfer unrhyw i'r sgwfethu i hwnnol yn i'r byddu ac elasticidau a lŵr unrhyw i'r byddu a i'r

736
01:08:11,700 --> 01:08:17,680
o ez minnai maen nhwyl y tre Cym yn siol effeithau gripon gwneud yn gallu bod yn gallu chflax o math,

737
01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:41,680
a rydymbenedans ar g

738
01:08:46,450 --> 01:08:47,910
However, there's a whole bunch there

739
01:08:47,910 --> 01:08:48,550
councilooooo.

740
01:08:49,630 --> 01:08:51,150
Most of it very thoughtful.

741
01:08:51,670 --> 01:08:52,710
I appreciate your comments.

742
01:08:54,470 --> 01:08:56,910
When we're creating this sort of

743
01:08:56,910 --> 01:09:02,860
a plan if I get the gist of what you had to say,

744
01:09:03,100 --> 01:09:05,180
it's that we're trying to do too much

745
01:09:05,180 --> 01:09:07,340
with a very restricted resource.

746
01:09:08,640 --> 01:09:10,960
And that I also heard you say that

747
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:15,840
I am ni'n pweithaeth, ni'n pweithaethu'r atwn' i'n pweithaethu.

748
01:09:18,850 --> 01:09:19,710
Mamagellan.

749
01:09:20,070 --> 01:09:25,090
Writer yw sef wedi'r jithaethu'r atwn'au sy'n pweithaethuau'r atwn'au os.

750
01:09:25,090 --> 01:09:29,390
Minden gynhol, eitau'r i'n ddweithu wrth na'n ddaethuau,

751
01:09:29,550 --> 01:09:31,470
a yw'n ddaethu a fwysigolioedd, a'n ddaethuau audioddur y mae'n ddaethu a'n ddaethu a'n ddaethu.

752
01:09:31,470 --> 01:09:43,830
A'w i'n ddaethu wedi'r포, oesi'n byddyddion dod o'n ddaethu'r oesi'r ddaethu.

753
01:09:43,830 --> 01:09:49,450
eich galluniwn yn favellaethau sydd y maen yn gael, a bydd eisiau hynny ar buwydel,

754
01:09:49,450 --> 01:09:54,230
gyda oes gandod yn nid o elu yn ymw ei hi felly yn ddebu.

755
01:09:54,910 --> 01:09:58,670
Yn gyda gael pan edrych i'n gallu digaethol.

756
01:09:58,670 --> 01:10:02,730
Mae'r allai i'n gallu i wedi'n gallu eu yma fel perraethau,

757
01:10:02,890 --> 01:10:05,110
a ei'n gallu undol i'n gallu eis ymlaen yn fy wedi'n gallu sefyllwooden gallu

758
01:10:05,110 --> 01:10:05,910
yw eisiau iawn eraid, ei o fys Initiolio Roefoil, i'n gael yma.

759
01:10:05,910 --> 01:10:09,150
626,000? 620,000?

760
01:10:09,150 --> 01:10:15,150
A LOTHR, mae'n i'rfel eu byddiadau srwch効thio, sy'n gwaldi mis i'r oedau sydd hynnaau'r i'r fel ryddiadau woaddydd ymad nhw'n iawn IE,

761
01:10:15,150 --> 01:10:24,550
yw'n gwaith i'r yw ymddoedd phanadau i'r fel eu mewn ichonillau efo'r meddwl.

762
01:10:24,590 --> 01:10:39,090
Yef yn chi, yn llaw rhaid o'r ym da'i fel âmnau nesygu sgiliau ilw помwag.

763
01:10:39,090 --> 01:10:44,330
bob cwyl yw mwb ydy'n llwy ar gyda ac ond y ddeficitau erio gwithau,

764
01:10:45,650 --> 01:10:53,650
gyda chi ddod yn ymwbwch i'r g3n i ddyddiad o fyrdwch gymniad yn o 10 o 10 o 10 o 10 o 10 o 12 o 15 o 10 o 12 o 18 o 11 o 17 o 10 o 12 o 17 o 14 o 14 o 18 o 15 o 10 o 15 o 18 o Wrm.

765
01:10:53,650 --> 01:10:58,930
Mae'n cyfle i'n eu ddaint. Mae'n fewn ar unzaad asoedd ynem yn cael yn elenio gyfer,

766
01:10:59,410 --> 01:11:06,710
o cyfynillau mynddau, ac mae'n reiwarr gyfer lawr yma yn rywg i'n gyrgyng yng thynbririo.

767
01:11:06,710 --> 01:11:11,870
Refraith, feb yn ddefnydda fel wnaeth rolyf yn ei d Kraen Cl星ant a'r fathostol.

768
01:11:14,750 --> 01:11:22,230
Treud grandmafnod oketh yn pan feb cerdorol farmnod,

769
01:11:33,390 --> 01:11:36,150
roed yn nid hymna.

770
01:11:36,150 --> 01:11:42,450
Eun cael ei l division Abdishap y trgen yn gy管wel sy'n anten.

771
01:11:42,450 --> 01:11:44,630
Mae'r tuf i dyni bra�จw mae

772
01:11:44,630 --> 01:11:50,070
a d Rowan latwn pros yma Kleemblu yna a ped Davias vaes gyfeld angaradai

773
01:11:50,070 --> 01:11:53,530
a yng Ngadyhiol or Barhandius i'r swineodot.

774
01:11:53,530 --> 01:11:56,930
Felly detaeth, poteatohiaid beth victor.

775
01:12:13,000 --> 01:12:20,660
I am serious to this stage in terms of the e-transportation area.

776
01:12:23,960 --> 01:12:31,340
I just quickly reiterate the fact that when we talk about the programme, there are two

777
01:12:31,340 --> 01:12:36,220
distinct areas best known to us—there's renewal and improvements. Enough of a renewal is

778
01:12:36,220 --> 01:12:42,600
hon yn y reddolch drwy, y Cabinet yr un eitau i gweld hy terrorism cwythiad ynya dyma'r dwi cyddoeddion.

779
01:12:45,380 --> 01:12:49,140
Sayraliadol ei fydd� di'n siillyf Ewrygu a un oes sy'nstarac edryd

780
01:12:49,140 --> 01:12:52,500
yng Nghymru, ar gyfer ei ac rydymadau arbydd ac gysyllti unexpected.

781
01:12:54,900 --> 01:12:59,380
cetera fel feddydd un gonyeddych yn y lestat rel leur.

782
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:32,200
Felly, yng Nghymru, yng Nghymru, yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yng

783
01:13:34,140 --> 01:13:41,400
yn dynirh d anodraedd cy говорю ac sgiliau enghaledind bitteul celery

784
01:13:41,400 --> 01:13:44,540
yn pith episodio yn gwnew baith llwyddi Gweithyti yn cael parlehu内

785
01:13:44,540 --> 01:13:44,600
marr sy'n dwylmaedd foul neu plyrypatu.

786
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:48,040
ac mae ni MeuWowCvyでした ni ddefloertu wne� ei i'n naceodd o fwaaf

787
01:13:48,040 --> 01:13:49,160
o'r ein ei pannaethن sylfaiantedau sy'n implantsau'r coincid-colaedig,

788
01:13:49,200 --> 01:13:52,460
ac mae gyfall, ma Advair lайdu o'r oaflyn neu frys

789
01:13:52,460 --> 01:13:59,040
p לה newid bitu cyff��고 plan sy'i ddwl互iau at lydwyd clwaaf

790
01:13:59,040 --> 01:13:59,180
beys?

791
01:13:59,180 --> 01:14:00,380
Are you familiar with the report of the program?

792
01:14:00,820 --> 01:14:01,540
date of the report from the report of the member of the passed is largely funded.

793
01:14:02,420 --> 01:14:02,820
I am travelling through the report that happened in ochre.

794
01:14:02,820 --> 01:14:04,920
I do not have a card case that would not have been done by the board.

795
01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:06,920
Through the report the member of the board has been given the report of the grant.

796
01:14:09,680 --> 01:14:10,660
Councillor Humanaughan has not agreed that the report was given.

797
01:14:10,660 --> 01:14:13,100
Thank you, Mr Mayor.

798
01:14:13,180 --> 01:14:16,900
Thank you for the presentation and the report, and I loved it.

799
01:14:16,960 --> 01:14:18,980
I thought it was easy to read, and I loved the links.

800
01:14:18,980 --> 01:14:28,440
I agree with Councillor Scarrow and I know that this is just one aspect of the mobility

801
01:14:28,440 --> 01:14:33,740
master plan. This is the infrastructure side of things and we've obviously had a presentation

802
01:14:33,740 --> 01:14:38,500
recently on the transit plans and just to address, I mean, looking back at my notes,

803
01:14:39,480 --> 01:14:47,000
I think, Covid delta very severe blow to our transit goals, but looking back at the numbers

804
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:59,940
i dyn, cyn yng Nghymru yng Nghymru yw i'n cynnwyr i'r 2019, ac yw'n cwfynu'r 15 yw i'n 2018,

805
01:15:02,320 --> 01:15:19,120
We were not able to continue to capitalize that on that and our transit goals of a 10% increase on the 2019. We achieved 25% increase between the years of 2018 and 2019.

806
01:15:30,000 --> 01:15:35,800
o gyfer y sapdais y fydd yn cyl� ddiwch, cyntraeth fel cydaig idreni wedi,

807
01:15:35,800 --> 01:15:39,220
yn gydwch wedi cymdeindraethu angwkaidau sydd wedi fy fydd yn diwyau

808
01:15:39,220 --> 01:15:42,520
o fforddebog sydd oedd wneud okfog y cyl� gydwch.

809
01:15:43,660 --> 01:15:44,960
Mae wedi fydd yn yw'r cyl� ddoegd hynny gwneud o febdaiseth ar styrddol

810
01:15:45,820 --> 01:15:49,800
Mae'r cyliwch i gwneud o fel y perc Grafysau yn fel cyfodiesu

811
01:15:51,620 --> 01:15:57,720
yn yr ar室тиgu i wedi yw yw'r cyfog yma yn y cyfog yma yn cefog yma,

812
01:15:57,720 --> 01:16:02,540
i dagi yma, ondragyn gofniodd fel gen ymwythio beth,

813
01:16:03,260 --> 01:16:10,240
ymdwch i'r agi ysgwth yma rydym yn ychyd ono o'r ystod yn ffordd o mynd i i ystod roedd it Chris

814
01:16:10,240 --> 01:16:11,660
yma roedd i'n gwloedd arall ar yna.

815
01:16:12,000 --> 01:16:13,540
Mae'r gwahanol yn cysylltumbi oed yn cyflixio.

816
01:16:13,540 --> 01:16:15,560
Yng Nghymru a'r siopg yn cyflixio'r p Paynau yn agio wedi yma siopg yn godaethau

817
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:17,340
yma yn yw i slantau o'r byg bleu ar bobl.

818
01:16:17,340 --> 01:16:24,480
Efallai, â'n rhanau yn dweud yma ceu, yma, yna gynillau

819
01:16:24,480 --> 01:16:33,060
beth diedd bryd hynny wedi wedi notre sydd ym libroswydd nes ni hynny wedi llawn yn y cyfleid oneud bod yn cyfynir oseud.

820
01:16:33,740 --> 01:16:43,580
Mae yw gwaith bus yn hidru sefydlwysig ennwan yna incïn nhw ystygu�� yma gweith.

821
01:16:43,580 --> 01:16:46,340
bryloc trwią buried renau mwyb rydyn muyn ar yn cyfl Nadal!

822
01:16:46,340 --> 01:16:50,320
Mae rhannau ei hogde likely cyng ar manufactured sever kidol mathor!ęt

823
01:16:50,320 --> 01:16:50,940
ya. Ond

824
01:16:50,940 --> 01:16:56,080
wneud ac mae han gyda ar cob le roes睌 amser amytio ei cyfl Nadal egesar테eth

825
01:16:57,080 --> 01:16:57,800
syd qué fe eich wrth g hangulareu 50

826
01:16:57,800 --> 01:16:58,000
%ol rydyn? Аth iорchûtio

827
01:16:58,000 --> 01:17:01,140
llwyr infectedio se prepare ceن maenigdiol

828
01:17:01,140 --> 01:17:10,720
o gych eng hydreynb deau renau a fel roes

829
01:17:10,720 --> 01:17:13,080
ac wneud ei renau actual?

830
01:17:13,080 --> 01:17:21,000
yn y pwain y pwyseng. Si mynd oes yna and then, ac yw hynny ffyn Gunsys.

831
01:17:21,160 --> 01:17:22,320
Yna sy'n cael dom i'r âddiu, i dynion felau fel yna sy'n ei gwympethol ac feisio.

832
01:17:22,320 --> 01:17:27,580
Mae ddyddellau fel oeseg yna oeseg yna sy'n gwaithodio hydioedrwyth allau yna mor,

833
01:17:28,280 --> 01:17:34,760
ac mae lathodd yna oeseg yna gofnyn nhw yno!

834
01:17:36,200 --> 01:17:43,060
Clydnodd yn ei gallu feisio pledigioedrwythau sy'n gwaithodio sy'n gwaithodio,

835
01:18:13,060 --> 01:18:16,000
wedi fel wedi a guess yw i'r dog i'r dî moren o'r pobl.

836
01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:19,180
Mae'r yw i'r roed i'r egun sylfa'i cymdeid ac yw'r petithau'r amflycyllith.

837
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:24,120
Mae'r a'r bydd yw'r rydym ynigau o'r unis o gyfer y cymdeidau creifatio.

838
01:18:24,580 --> 01:18:25,800
Mae'n hynny.

839
01:18:25,800 --> 01:18:31,780
Felly, mae'n gwaith yw'r i'r oedio'r seannau dweud yn gyfan fel gwaith o gwaith yw eich son,

840
01:18:32,040 --> 01:18:37,440
ac mae'r rhoedist lef Welsh ar gyda gen, fel medoli fe attenau'y yw oesio edrym.

841
01:18:37,440 --> 01:18:42,480
Mae'r amliad eicholaf ond i'r gwaithrefad yn fawr. Dwyna yn fawr ar yw,

842
01:18:42,820 --> 01:18:50,720
dar fawr i'r ymryd am pobhau. Yw'r amlwna fel beth o ddain ffawr ar yw'r yng Nghynaller.

843
01:18:52,740 --> 01:18:55,460
Ceyfyddoen ac mae yn gwneud yw ar y llwynt yn ganddraedd ei dydog fel i dwi'r y llwynt yn fawr i'u ffawr i'u

844
01:18:55,460 --> 01:18:56,920
dyna a'r amlwchol lawn, ac mae yng Nghymru, ac mae'n gwneud ni yw'r amlwchol gweithor a'r mw'n gwaithor.

845
01:18:57,140 --> 01:18:58,840
Mae'r eu cael ei darag oedd yn deitig un arwn.

846
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:32,820
yn yma roedd cael ei godebnau cael i fod yn ffordd steth ymwrth fy yma mae'r mwyfnidd am yma.

847
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:40,360
Mae'r cael ei gawrad. Mae'r credu sy'n ei dynaedd yno.

848
01:19:40,360 --> 01:19:42,200
Mae'r rhwnau'r cyntwn sy'n ei sylwaithioedd yma yma yn ffordd dynau50 newig.

849
01:19:42,200 --> 01:19:53,000
Mae'r rhwnau cyntaf sydd yma yn ffordd yma yn siarid ffordd yma rhanul o yma yn siarid dynos.

850
01:19:53,000 --> 01:19:54,780
Mae'r rhwnau iawn yn pethifven. A thosereod yma rhanul o yma ei cael ei cyngar.

851
01:19:54,780 --> 01:19:58,800
Mae'r cyflwyais gynllunau, cael ei gweithio achos i fynd squad i'r Chaldaethau hon.

852
01:20:00,440 --> 01:20:01,760
Felly, mae'r ym wirgodau yn ym unig.

853
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:04,060
Mae'r cyflwyais gynllunau ein g소 yna yn cynlwyr i'r unig.

854
01:20:04,060 --> 01:20:06,380
Mae'r cyflwyais gynllunau yn cynlwyr a'r cyflwyais yma,

855
01:20:07,180 --> 01:20:08,220
ei mi gydau wrthau yma.

856
01:20:12,860 --> 01:20:17,080
Ond, ac mae yng Nghywyd eich beth, maen nhw'n chi'n ei dag yna,

857
01:20:17,080 --> 01:20:24,760
rwyma wedi ar yng Nghywyd yn yma.

858
01:20:24,760 --> 01:20:28,800
o'r bryr hwnnwch i'r cymryn o'r ymddech yn y blanyd i'r rwy'n dweud.

859
01:20:29,880 --> 01:20:36,300
Ac yn y ddol y phanol am ymddech yn y rwy'n ddol yn ymddech yn ymddech yn y rwy'n ddol yn ffrill.

860
01:20:36,740 --> 01:20:41,460
Yna ddyl angennu cymrysdol a farfyniad a'r rwy'n ddol yn cyslwfod?

861
01:20:41,460 --> 01:20:45,760
Mae'n ddod yn rwy'n ddol yn cyslwfod i'r cymrysdol a'r rwy'n ddol yn cyslwfod?

862
01:20:45,760 --> 01:20:54,540
Mae'r fyslidier ddoedd yn unrhyw i, ac lle ac yn gyfan gweld yw'r rhodd gynllun amell,

863
01:20:54,540 --> 01:20:56,720
ac ei mewn dweud i gyfer.

864
01:20:59,160 --> 01:21:03,260
A fyddech gynllun am isysgolllanaethau bi'n cael ffordd,

865
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:13,400
internau ar draws o fŵr yw ydyn ni'n ong yma laid o gynysi yw sgysd aredd yn yneigoedd,

866
01:21:13,620 --> 01:21:22,880
o ddim 03, o gynllwis o ddyn ni'n amser o fŵr a ffyrddio o febdod ysgol i arwchym, o gynllwis o ffyrddio.

867
01:21:22,880 --> 01:21:26,080
beth kaed ym yr ymser fel mewn i-dwan gael ei gyndiadau fel yna.

868
01:21:26,980 --> 01:21:33,080
Yn yma yn fadaeth roedd yn roedd am rwyma fel er a fadellol yn ddude birst call

869
01:21:33,080 --> 01:21:36,040
fo ywyma fel yna rwyma fel er a fadellol yn ddaeth.

870
01:21:36,740 --> 01:21:41,660
A ni ar yma i argyffaillau yn unadau i wneud enti fel ei eiadau

871
01:21:41,660 --> 01:21:41,840
ar yma yn einadau i arty bagai gyda.

872
01:21:41,840 --> 01:21:43,480
Mae'n yna gydyddol gwirionedd o'r amser ei cael ei byswag yna gydau

873
01:21:43,480 --> 01:21:43,840
gynnaeth yn yma fel yma.

874
01:21:44,440 --> 01:21:52,860
A ni ar yn fyddol fodaeth ar yma, ac yn tur tryb yna f額

875
01:21:52,860 --> 01:21:56,560
ymwy'r wyngor am perrawn i ffrang oedau'r gweith.

876
01:21:57,860 --> 01:22:03,360
En gyd yn ymwych arall yn ymwych ar y muynch ar y rhwysig.

877
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:05,740
Rynaadd wedi ddim yn ymwych ar y ddynnu ar ymwych arall yn ffllr yma felly yma.

878
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:13,440
Rynau'r yma yn ffllog ar yma yn ffllog ar yma.

879
01:22:13,440 --> 01:22:18,080
Rwy'n ffllog ar yma yn ffllog ar yma yn ymwych ar yma yn ffllog ar yma.

880
01:22:18,600 --> 01:22:22,840
Rwy'n ymwych ar yma.

881
01:22:22,840 --> 01:22:26,760
dar fydd yn ffordd a ffordd oedd chi'r dduno o fysten.

882
01:22:26,980 --> 01:22:28,800
Mae'r vuelfod yn rhan yshw oeddwn yn bydlwthau hynny,

883
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:29,080
somi rhywun, eu gwneud ac ystop,

884
01:22:29,080 --> 01:22:34,780
mae'r Brotig llunag yn ddod i ffordd,

885
01:22:36,000 --> 01:22:37,180
mae cael erill, mae cael yr ymlyn oedau syd.

886
01:22:37,180 --> 01:22:39,260
Mae'r yr yr unddeum wedi am yn ddyn ni'n gysylltu oedd yn tyth yn gymdeflress.

887
01:22:39,260 --> 01:22:43,040
Fi yna oedd hwn yn am offiad ddach yn ac yn ddyn ni edryd,

888
01:22:43,040 --> 01:22:44,500
mae cael gyfrfan yna reνau ito o'r cympleidu oedd yn cympleidu o'r llunag,

889
01:22:44,500 --> 01:22:53,600
yn ag Iwr yn deall cyfarwil sydd am wedi'r lenndoriaeth gyda ffrog ac yw i'r iorm yn thenl hwnaau

890
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:57,380
yn cyfarwulu yw i'r cyfarwulu yw i'r yw iorm. Hwyliwn

891
01:22:57,380 --> 01:23:10,800
gwneud y cyfarwulu yn cyfarwulu hamod, pethroedd â'r cyfarwulu yw'r cyfarwulu pethroedd

892
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:16,680
o pwyll yna gweith i ddoedd yna gweithio eich gwaith gwis, dau yna dd headyn ni ddweud yn ddysgoli.

893
01:23:17,660 --> 01:23:22,220
Bydol cyfarfynol o fydd yn gweithio i gweithio eich gweithio, mai yma gweithio o ddysgoli,

894
01:23:22,460 --> 01:23:28,660
a ozeidethau cwestiwn chi newydd, mae'n gweithio, oedd yn gweithio, a chi fod yn dwi ni cwestiwn

895
01:23:28,660 --> 01:23:31,400
gweithio gwahanol o fwydraedd, mae gweithio yn gweithio gweithio yn yn cyfarfynol,

896
01:23:33,320 --> 01:23:38,000
yna neu yn gweithio'r fynd ar gyflewn ar gylla ungweithio.

897
01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:43,620
yng Nghymru o chi ddiolio ddiolio ac yn lota oedd i bod yn gweithelfa, amser yn carefodeth

898
01:23:43,620 --> 01:23:48,360
i'n ricid sylwmaidd y boedd yn cynnol ei wneud ei rhagol eしまol gwneud.

899
01:23:48,800 --> 01:23:54,700
Ceulu, ni'n rhan o fofost anionagdorolio, i'n cynnol ei yw IST.

900
01:23:55,160 --> 01:23:59,200
Mae'n gwerth ar dynchadolio fifeddu yn Mominaeth Ys yna i'n canaethau.

901
01:24:01,720 --> 01:24:07,980
Da i'n musti o'r cymru i'ch unrhyny.

902
01:24:07,980 --> 01:24:12,680
yng Nghymru'n ades a ffeide o'r ffeide o hynny.

903
01:24:13,320 --> 01:24:16,840
Ina siati am gyda'r ffeide o hynny ffeen o'n naot toadiseur i gwiaethu

904
01:24:16,840 --> 01:24:19,960
a fi fri'n ades a ffeide o hynny ffeide o hynny.

905
01:24:22,220 --> 01:24:26,580
Eitate gyda yna ennnaosan i Kanada Roads buat a'r ffeide o hynny

906
01:24:26,580 --> 01:24:30,300
yna o'n ades a ffeide o hynny am i'n tarniol,

907
01:24:30,520 --> 01:24:37,960
fel o feb, ublasau umrithaweid o'r tarniol yn rhawn.

908
01:24:37,960 --> 01:24:44,140
i'n gwyllwch yn yng Nghymru yn Nicei segid, yma gwaith yshwa, a ddiddnaidd i'n gwyllwch yn olo?

909
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:49,880
Ale mae oes yw'n gweithio dynnau.

910
01:24:50,160 --> 01:24:53,860
Mae'r gwaithio, sy'n imyn ni eitwch.

911
01:24:53,860 --> 01:24:56,600
Sbydd, mae ymg'n gwaith o ni'n mis i gweld aegol ymwyr i ddwellau ac,

912
01:24:56,600 --> 01:24:59,160
ghaith跳au, mae hynna wedi ei chi—

913
01:24:59,160 --> 01:24:59,220
wneud gyda'i amser—

914
01:24:59,220 --> 01:25:00,820
fwy neu'n gwaithio, mae gwaithio, mae'n gwaithio o mae ymg'n gwaithio,

915
01:25:00,820 --> 01:25:01,380
yma gwaithio yma gwaithio yn dysgu—

916
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:07,940
ae.

917
01:25:07,940 --> 01:25:37,920
cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael cael

918
01:25:37,920 --> 01:25:52,060
Howe y ffadol i ffadol ambygden ac yn ddynnau phwydig, ac yn y bufodol a ffadol a'u gynwedwch ambygden ac edrych.

919
01:25:52,120 --> 01:26:05,760
a'u gynwedfodenau a blyatio yn cael ei carlobu einig i ffadol i yw'r cyferu'r cyfodol ambygden ac yna blyatio yn cael ei arwthu,

920
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:15,260
i'tau a ni'n dyn ymg wyraeth rhun bod ead hynna beth vaigmunau gyda i'r cychtwyr ni tra o'r grantbod

921
01:26:15,260 --> 01:26:18,780
a fydd y gwyaidd o'r twinelau hyn, hwn i ymaryd separendi o o gy amsau vu i'r cyff turning 3 de rip 모.

922
01:26:18,780 --> 01:26:20,620
Pregnau eu sefyllforiai arw llwy roedd yn dalfond?

923
01:26:20,900 --> 01:26:30,440
Pregnau sef joinhaa chi'n hyn si wart efo a rhomio us Comellornllau sut ôm lath cui askario

924
01:26:30,440 --> 01:26:32,700
әп Corti am y 01.

925
01:26:33,580 --> 01:26:37,620
әпə Guid impact

926
01:26:39,620 --> 01:26:41,860
әп әп ӗті Artist

927
01:26:41,860 --> 01:26:52,780
ӗt hеас

928
01:26:55,600 --> 01:26:57,200
әп тіigentistimt Өп

929
01:26:57,200 --> 01:26:59,260
nəmir 1 Tigd

930
01:27:00,440 --> 01:27:03,500
wbifewn—mam gweith compaholid,edd iedd y cofnu gew Kazakh ¯Mà ex—

931
01:27:03,500 --> 01:27:13,060
cael sut,edd y bod i wneud il anŋdiolol yn gallu beth,io daad ynn wneud fedd Newai.

932
01:27:13,060 --> 01:27:13,140
Mae'n gwblant o gydgod ar cyfringeld.

933
01:27:13,140 --> 01:27:23,780
Mae gydixawd' sickaeall i 2017 ar Gdweith Wneud Ies ycwest Wikipedio Irritholio.

934
01:27:23,780 --> 01:27:29,280
achodd o'n gynfall, ac gwybod gw fel pethau ar gyda'r i'n ll goingiaithau mo'r amdawr ar gyda'r

935
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:33,220
ganna字 i ddimna eu cyfarg ac mae bethau ar gyda'r ganna dawn sem eru cynnaethau.

936
01:27:33,880 --> 01:27:37,900
Mae'r teithau yma o'r gydyni ddechrau, ac mae'r gydyni gwir i'n gweithau bod y間

937
01:27:37,900 --> 01:27:43,300
gyda'r eto'r gydyni gydyni gwaithau bod yn gallau'r gydyni gweithau eduliolau i'n gwaithau,

938
01:27:44,220 --> 01:27:51,480
ac mae'n gwaithau yma o'r gydyni gwaithau'n gwaithau, ac mae'n gwaithau hwnnag

939
01:27:51,480 --> 01:27:55,320
mae'n smeid i beth am mainly a ph

940
01:27:55,320 --> 01:28:01,760
rhwng a drwy fel yn gallig llwym sauc i ddysfolniig Lost

941
01:28:01,760 --> 01:28:05,160
gydyn yn ddeiproedd yngwithan fo hyn'n am

942
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:06,120
whpleadol gw estef i gallu dν understanding

943
01:28:06,120 --> 01:28:09,980
yn ei faithio bod yn gynny, yn ym yn dweud ei fynd yn gynny.

944
01:28:11,800 --> 01:28:13,480
Beth ni'n cael ei'r Dwi i'r ynysfais.

945
01:28:13,480 --> 01:28:18,280
Finch gynny, o'n mewn fynd y gydio'i fi gyda fydd hynny yma.

946
01:28:18,300 --> 01:28:19,620
Yna fforddau sанnaud i'r chi köynny arall yn yma.

947
01:28:19,620 --> 01:28:20,840
Ryfnw i'r gydio fefog fforddau fefog.

948
01:28:21,340 --> 01:28:22,620
Maen busiolod yn gydyn.

949
01:28:22,620 --> 01:28:27,460
Mae fforddau synnaud o gwstwyr i'r ei bennir, mae ym wedi byngol fefog.

950
01:28:28,060 --> 01:28:28,960
Ond wedi'r gwethio fel yma.

951
01:28:28,960 --> 01:28:31,520
Mae, mor, a yma, 40 astud yma yma.

952
01:28:31,520 --> 01:28:36,160
Nŵlod, pant i gweithio odna i dym yn ffais a chwisio wedi i'n gofnio.

953
01:28:36,200 --> 01:28:38,680
Fixio wedi gweithio wedi i dynni,

954
01:28:38,680 --> 01:28:39,540
ac yn ffais a chwisio wedi yn dou bob d舞 i o fe majdraeth

955
01:28:39,540 --> 01:28:42,000
o fel nieibu rhau, byddai'r hoffaiddio mae'n dynni?

956
01:28:48,760 --> 01:28:50,840
Hwein o'r hoffaiddio'r hoffaiddio u fe majdraeth

957
01:28:50,840 --> 01:28:51,640
o ffais a chwisio wedi'n gofnghwein o'r hoffaiddio

958
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:52,940
mae'n anghiolol o yna?

959
01:28:53,480 --> 01:28:56,740
So when are we going to do something about it?

960
01:28:59,580 --> 01:29:01,740
So I'd love to support it otherwise

961
01:29:20,050 --> 01:29:21,550
Galwawn ydych yn y sefyllfa.

962
01:29:21,570 --> 01:29:24,460
Sot mooddiw'r i fyddol undwl mae i chi'n eich ddifoddol.

963
01:29:26,050 --> 01:29:28,370
Sot osthmau, yn i'r strawn y kifadau.

964
01:29:28,630 --> 01:29:29,430
Mae'n dod, mae'n spewn i'n dwiaf, bod yn ei hunag ddyllfa.

965
01:29:30,770 --> 01:29:35,010
Os diglo oedd byd yn ni i'n dwi'n gysliadol i'ch pethu ac yn cael arad oedd dwi'n cylws ymnaeth.

966
01:29:35,010 --> 01:29:39,530
Mae'n gennaeth eifodswch sosig yna rain,

967
01:29:39,530 --> 01:29:43,270
yn ffadwch yw sosig yna lathen

968
01:29:43,270 --> 01:29:44,830
i'r dwiunag yng Nghawr Illaidd hyn oes,

969
01:29:44,830 --> 01:29:45,550
oedd ni chi'n iawn i'r dweud.

970
01:29:48,550 --> 01:29:53,110
rau hwn ni'n gweld wneud hynau gorandaid yn y هir yn oír gwi�fnod o te Sachen.

971
01:29:54,950 --> 01:29:57,850
Mae swych yn fan yn wel.

972
01:29:57,850 --> 01:29:58,470
Rwy NPC, Gambolti.

973
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:05,720
Sorry, a grey cap, something to say. Oh, okay.

974
01:30:08,370 --> 01:30:11,770
Yeah, I'm right up. Okay. Good evening, your

975
01:30:11,770 --> 01:30:19,230
members of council. Maybe just a clarification. Councilor Reed alluded to it, but when we look

976
01:30:19,230 --> 01:30:28,350
at the revenue side things and so we've got taxation, we've got the DCCs and we've got grants

977
01:30:28,350 --> 01:30:34,650
that are typically tied to grain infrastructure, so the improvement aspects, the adaptive transportation.

978
01:30:36,350 --> 01:30:44,610
The use of those funds can't be diverted just to renewal. So the DCCs, the legislatively,

979
01:30:44,970 --> 01:30:52,130
have to be applied to improvements, to new works, and there's a split with that and the same with

980
01:30:52,130 --> 01:30:57,570
the grant monies. So that's really what's funding a lot of the improvements. And when we undertake

981
01:30:57,570 --> 01:31:03,570
the renewal work and the improvements in a combined fashion, we definitely, definitely

982
01:31:03,570 --> 01:31:07,610
achieve a kind of ze scale of that. Coming back and trying to add improvements afterwards

983
01:31:07,610 --> 01:31:13,830
would be very, very costly. So it's important to recognize where the funding sources are coming

984
01:31:13,830 --> 01:31:20,210
from and how they can be applied. And I think it was also talked about the very strategically being

985
01:31:20,210 --> 01:31:25,690
applied with the after-transportations going its normal and all roads. It's not been consistent with

986
01:31:25,690 --> 01:31:27,070
the transportation for tomorrow.

987
01:31:27,430 --> 01:31:28,610
And if you look at some of the rules

988
01:31:28,610 --> 01:31:32,290
that we have tackled here, I think, very much needed.

989
01:31:32,650 --> 01:31:35,930
And we're talking about Woodstale as a next priority.

990
01:31:36,930 --> 01:31:39,750
And so those rules are very strategically determined

991
01:31:39,750 --> 01:31:43,270
as being required to connect neighborhoods to schools

992
01:31:43,270 --> 01:31:44,590
and to parks and so on.

993
01:31:45,950 --> 01:31:48,470
So I think it's really important to understand

994
01:31:48,470 --> 01:31:50,330
how the cost comes.

995
01:31:50,830 --> 01:31:54,030
In terms of the greening of our infrastructure here,

996
01:31:54,030 --> 01:31:59,990
I would suggest maybe the council is an option and because it's really just, it's a cost

997
01:31:59,990 --> 01:32:05,170
element we've got templates for, we know where we can incorporate it, it comes down

998
01:32:05,170 --> 01:32:06,810
to funding it.

999
01:32:07,890 --> 01:32:13,390
And so if there's a desire to do that and incorporate that, that could always be determined

1000
01:32:13,390 --> 01:32:17,010
on a cost-based project by project.

1001
01:32:17,690 --> 01:32:23,610
But council could also elect to make an allowance for that and say, you know, we want to what

1002
01:32:23,610 --> 01:32:30,390
what's reasonable. We'd like to add another $500,000 for this program to see greening of our

1003
01:32:30,390 --> 01:32:37,570
street scape and applying that in the best way possible, $200,000, $500,000. But the other,

1004
01:32:37,810 --> 01:32:43,610
and I think they speak to this, but the other aspect that you get confronted with when you're

1005
01:32:43,610 --> 01:32:48,490
when you're greening up the street scape is you need wider right away, more land acquisition,

1006
01:32:48,490 --> 01:32:57,790
more task. So can definitely be done. It's just a matter of money. So yeah, that's what I would like to say. Thank you.

1007
01:32:58,350 --> 01:33:05,090
Thank you. And Matthew, did you have comment with Director or Councilor Ireland?

1008
01:33:06,390 --> 01:33:16,030
Yes, you were. So when dealing with the discussion of Boulevard and and tree-lined streetscapes in the plan,

1009
01:33:16,030 --> 01:33:21,090
And there is a cost there that you can see that it's associated with landscape boulevards

1010
01:33:22,610 --> 01:33:25,870
to the tune off, $147,000 per kilometer.

1011
01:33:26,690 --> 01:33:34,990
And you also, that's table three, and then if you scroll back up to table two, it talks

1012
01:33:34,990 --> 01:33:37,410
about functional classification, you'll see the boulevards is in there.

1013
01:33:37,890 --> 01:33:41,870
Now some of those are boulevards, the tree's case and some of them are not.

1014
01:33:42,810 --> 01:33:50,270
So some of these road sections have already tree-lined or boulevards aspects built into them.

1015
01:33:50,990 --> 01:33:53,930
They're just not shown on this plan because it would be a huge mess especially.

1016
01:33:54,130 --> 01:33:58,910
So I can provide that information to Council and maybe annotate the list to show you which of those

1017
01:33:58,910 --> 01:34:06,830
road segments have funding built in for boulevards and or trees, street trees as well.

1018
01:34:09,590 --> 01:34:13,470
Yeah. Well, thanks for that. You know, I'm not saying that we should be having

1019
01:34:13,470 --> 01:34:18,450
Grassline Boulevard. That's the Okinawan. But look, I've just spent some time

1020
01:34:18,450 --> 01:34:24,690
in Vancouver Island and I drove through Langford. And yeah, I get that they have a lot of tax money because they have a lot of businesses.

1021
01:34:25,970 --> 01:34:33,490
But every single new road in that community has trees and Grassline Boulevard. Every single new road.

1022
01:34:33,490 --> 01:34:38,910
So every single new road is built out so it has an island with trees as well.

1023
01:34:39,330 --> 01:34:43,650
And we're talking about a city that doesn't need the kind of shade that our city needs,

1024
01:34:44,610 --> 01:34:45,530
because we have none.

1025
01:34:46,490 --> 01:34:52,110
We drive down Oshola, and I mean, it's no wonder not many people walk down there because

1026
01:34:52,110 --> 01:34:52,690
there's no shade.

1027
01:34:52,850 --> 01:34:53,970
It's 40 degrees outside.

1028
01:34:55,750 --> 01:34:57,690
So I mean, we just have to do better.

1029
01:34:57,830 --> 01:35:02,550
And if it's in there, and this slide doesn't really reflect what the plan is, then I'm happy

1030
01:35:02,550 --> 01:35:11,270
about that. But I do want to send a message that that was our overarching guideline for

1031
01:35:11,270 --> 01:35:17,370
everything. And we need to address it in everything. And, you know, there's not one of

1032
01:35:17,370 --> 01:35:21,450
us who doesn't go home and see the news about a climate disaster happening someplace in

1033
01:35:21,450 --> 01:35:30,030
the world, you know? If we don't try to do something, then where is guilty is anybody?

1034
01:35:34,010 --> 01:35:39,450
So, a couple of aspects on that. So, if we're talking new roads, new roads is different

1035
01:35:39,450 --> 01:35:43,310
to existing roads. So, new roads is subject to the subdivision development service by

1036
01:35:43,310 --> 01:35:48,650
that which Council may recall, we extended, I think we had half a page in the SDS by law

1037
01:35:48,650 --> 01:35:54,370
for landscaping. It's now six pages. So, when we're building new roads, we should see a much

1038
01:35:54,370 --> 01:35:58,710
improved standard now. Again, Council may recall that, in terms of the

1039
01:35:58,710 --> 01:36:01,950
protection and landscape, it actually worked with us to create that new

1040
01:36:01,950 --> 01:36:05,730
specification that includes most of the things that Councillor

1041
01:36:05,730 --> 01:36:09,070
Lion just mentioned. So, new roads are slightly different to existing roads.

1042
01:36:09,890 --> 01:36:13,790
And again, I want to bring your attention to a budget request that came

1043
01:36:13,790 --> 01:36:17,570
through last year on budget for a supplemental for Botanwood Lake Road, where we

1044
01:36:17,570 --> 01:36:21,970
asked for an landscaping increase. How many trees do we keep looking at?

1045
01:36:26,110 --> 01:36:30,010
It's a 665 trees down on bottom of Lake Road because, again, it wasn't in the original

1046
01:36:30,010 --> 01:36:30,230
plan.

1047
01:36:30,230 --> 01:36:36,730
There's no funding for that amount of trees, but, of course, that area, warrants that

1048
01:36:36,730 --> 01:36:37,290
type of treatment.

1049
01:36:37,450 --> 01:36:41,550
It's definitely something that's in our minds and definitely something that we are working

1050
01:36:41,550 --> 01:36:41,790
on.

1051
01:36:42,450 --> 01:36:48,250
Like I say, there is an element built into some of these roads, depending on their location

1052
01:36:48,250 --> 01:36:54,690
and their use, and if Council wish I can supply that, we'll get Tom to rerun that spreadsheet

1053
01:36:54,690 --> 01:36:56,030
and provide the extra detail.

1054
01:36:57,070 --> 01:36:59,830
So on that slide, 32, does that sentence not belong?

1055
01:37:00,230 --> 01:37:03,390
Or is it, is there a context that I'm not, I'm missing?

1056
01:37:08,330 --> 01:37:09,510
Did you say slide 32?

1057
01:37:09,690 --> 01:37:10,130
32.

1058
01:37:10,510 --> 01:37:11,230
Page 32.

1059
01:37:12,170 --> 01:37:13,870
Page 32, that's attached, it's just too long.

1060
01:37:18,160 --> 01:37:20,320
Mobility improvement program, it's 31.

1061
01:37:20,980 --> 01:37:21,180
But

1062
01:37:34,460 --> 01:37:39,300
it certainly is top of mind in all needs.

1063
01:37:39,360 --> 01:37:43,660
Or should be as Councillor Ireland is concerned with?

1064
01:37:44,760 --> 01:37:48,360
Yeah, sorry, I should bear with me. I'm not looking at the agenda package, so I'm

1065
01:37:48,360 --> 01:37:49,580
going to bring it up to final, which

1066
01:38:02,860 --> 01:38:04,480
yeah,

1067
01:38:16,120 --> 01:38:22,310
so that's, yes, through the

1068
01:38:22,310 --> 01:38:26,450
work. Yes, so that's that is actually the mobility master plan presentation. I

1069
01:38:26,450 --> 01:38:33,190
ordered the mobility improvement plan, plan, strap session that we had and yeah,

1070
01:38:34,110 --> 01:38:38,590
so I think that's because what I did is I included all the previous

1071
01:38:40,450 --> 01:38:43,510
presentations and discussions we have accounts are just for reference because we obviously

1072
01:38:43,510 --> 01:38:46,870
a lot of discussions going on. So that was the previous one I do believe.

1073
01:38:50,290 --> 01:38:50,690
Yes.

1074
01:38:50,970 --> 01:38:56,650
It kind of was labeled mobility improvement program. I assume that it was associated with what

1075
01:38:56,650 --> 01:39:01,770
we were talking about, not the mobility master plan. Yeah and I guess that's the downside of

1076
01:39:01,770 --> 01:39:05,130
PDFing at all in one go when I do my report that actually attachments.

1077
01:39:05,670 --> 01:39:10,830
Okay. Oh, I'm better now. Yeah, good. And also just maybe if I just put on to that question,

1078
01:39:11,930 --> 01:39:18,530
I believe when we put that in there at the time, what we're talking about is no additional beyond

1079
01:39:18,530 --> 01:39:24,110
what is in the plan. So because we had a lot of talk about having street trees, you know, and more,

1080
01:39:24,270 --> 01:39:30,630
but there is an element built into the plan. So that's no additional, if that makes sense. I,

1081
01:39:30,630 --> 01:39:34,150
Not every single road we do will have a bullet light and street trees down it.

1082
01:39:34,710 --> 01:39:35,170
Okay.

1083
01:39:36,050 --> 01:39:36,170
Yeah.

1084
01:39:38,350 --> 01:39:39,470
Councillor Gambling.

1085
01:39:40,050 --> 01:39:40,190
Councillor Gambling.

1086
01:39:40,190 --> 01:39:40,430
Thank you.

1087
01:39:41,070 --> 01:39:47,330
And I'm very pleased that Councillor Ireland just raised that issue of the climate change

1088
01:39:47,330 --> 01:39:51,210
because it is extremely important and certainly near and dear to my heart.

1089
01:39:52,790 --> 01:39:58,070
And you know, the whole idea of retaining trees were possible, that type of thing.

1090
01:39:58,750 --> 01:40:03,550
and the idea of possibly, you know, memorial tree sponsorship,

1091
01:40:04,110 --> 01:40:07,710
getting the community involved, getting the community interested

1092
01:40:07,710 --> 01:40:10,070
in getting on board with these things.

1093
01:40:10,610 --> 01:40:12,410
It's something that affects our whole community.

1094
01:40:12,530 --> 01:40:16,230
There must be ways that we can do this in a cost-effective way,

1095
01:40:16,830 --> 01:40:18,870
where, you know, because we have a lot of benches,

1096
01:40:18,870 --> 01:40:21,250
maybe that is the time to start looking at trees,

1097
01:40:22,130 --> 01:40:24,810
because trees can live 100 years or more,

1098
01:40:25,190 --> 01:40:26,870
which is pretty important.

1099
01:40:26,870 --> 01:40:35,330
And I just wanted to raise a question regarding some of the work that has gone on this year.

1100
01:40:35,590 --> 01:40:39,610
And I mean, there's been a lot of great work in the community and I love the roundabouts.

1101
01:40:39,750 --> 01:40:41,130
I love the improvements that we've got.

1102
01:40:41,690 --> 01:40:47,570
But I know that there must be many people querying the work up on Davidson.

1103
01:40:49,210 --> 01:40:56,210
Davidson to Camberot improvements, a very short stretch of road, very, you know, it's steep.

1104
01:40:56,210 --> 01:41:06,630
it's on a bit of a hill there, goes for agricultural land mostly, all the improvements do, and it

1105
01:41:06,630 --> 01:41:13,630
is extremely fancy the work that's being done. I've never seen such fancy work. While I know

1106
01:41:13,630 --> 01:41:20,110
that the project was well over a million dollars for that very short stretch of land that are

1107
01:41:20,110 --> 01:41:26,690
road and and you know I just like to understand that because I'm looking at the master plan and I'm

1108
01:41:26,690 --> 01:41:32,130
wondering or not the master plan but the the mobility plan and I'm thinking is this the kind of

1109
01:41:32,130 --> 01:41:38,870
thing that we're looking at in our community you know to me we have an area that stands out to me

1110
01:41:38,870 --> 01:41:45,910
that we've talked about numerous times but we haven't addressed and that is from the wood lake

1111
01:41:47,230 --> 01:41:52,830
Tent and trailer park, which is on Woodstale Road going all the way up to the

1112
01:41:52,830 --> 01:41:58,890
light, which is a very short stretch of road as well. And I see people coming up

1113
01:41:58,890 --> 01:42:05,690
there from the Brain Injury Center trying to negotiate that piece of sidewalk.

1114
01:42:05,950 --> 01:42:12,070
I know we've put in a crosswalk. I know that there's been some effort to make

1115
01:42:12,070 --> 01:42:19,530
that a little bit safer, but we did approve a brain injury center in our community some

1116
01:42:19,530 --> 01:42:25,970
years ago. We have the rail trail and I've heard from a number of people in the community

1117
01:42:25,970 --> 01:42:32,330
that that is a very, very dangerous stretch. People are scared to drive their bikes

1118
01:42:32,330 --> 01:42:36,570
along there. This is people that are biking that have talked to me how dangerous it is.

1119
01:42:36,570 --> 01:42:40,710
I raised it because I thought that was going to be done this year.

1120
01:42:41,410 --> 01:42:42,370
It still wasn't done.

1121
01:42:42,610 --> 01:42:45,870
It does anybody know, understand where I'm talking about it?

1122
01:42:45,870 --> 01:42:49,770
It's the piece right up the other side of Turtle Bay POP.

1123
01:42:50,030 --> 01:42:53,210
It goes behind the gas station there.

1124
01:42:54,050 --> 01:42:59,330
And yes, we did put in a sidewalk, but you know, these are things to me.

1125
01:42:59,650 --> 01:43:00,770
I didn't see that.

1126
01:43:01,010 --> 01:43:04,650
I did not see that improvement in the five-year plan.

1127
01:43:04,650 --> 01:43:08,090
So I'm wondering, is it in that five-year plan?

1128
01:43:08,350 --> 01:43:09,690
Is it in a one-year plan?

1129
01:43:10,430 --> 01:43:14,290
I thought it was going to be done in the last year, and it wasn't.

1130
01:43:15,510 --> 01:43:22,570
And I just, I'm very thankful that my daughter-in-law does not have to bring her two kids to kindergarten

1131
01:43:22,570 --> 01:43:25,450
along where she did for a number of years.

1132
01:43:26,570 --> 01:43:33,370
So I'm hoping that that is going to be done soon, but I'm just asking, was that on the list

1133
01:43:33,370 --> 01:43:39,690
of things because I couldn't see it. I did look and I couldn't see it.

1134
01:43:40,970 --> 01:43:46,970
Okay, so do you want to share? Sorry, the mayor has just stepped out so I'm temporary.

1135
01:43:47,950 --> 01:43:49,630
So, are you going to respond, Matthew?

1136
01:43:50,470 --> 01:43:50,810
Yes, please.

1137
01:43:51,810 --> 01:43:57,230
So, just go back to Davidson. So, Davidson design, that's the design standard that's in

1138
01:43:59,330 --> 01:44:06,610
and that's the same design that Council would have seen in the budget deliberations as well when we will ask for the funding for that project.

1139
01:44:06,870 --> 01:44:14,790
And also the reason why that particular project was chosen is that it was one of the very first projects done when we came in with TFTT.

1140
01:44:15,050 --> 01:44:18,510
Council may recall that the focus on TFTT came in with safe rich discourse.

1141
01:44:19,450 --> 01:44:23,630
So that was part of that philosophy, so we went and did OYAMA, we did a sidewalk in OYAMA, to OTS.

1142
01:44:23,630 --> 01:44:31,010
Yes, we did the sidewalk and the partial bike lane to Peter Greer, and then one of the

1143
01:44:31,010 --> 01:44:34,850
designs that we had completed was shelved for a certain degree because of other things

1144
01:44:34,850 --> 01:44:37,290
that came forward was the Davidson one that we never got to.

1145
01:44:37,930 --> 01:44:44,070
So again, we had a discussion with Council about what priorities in terms of roads we should

1146
01:44:44,070 --> 01:44:49,450
do, and there was an agreement that we weren't taking any more design until we got the existing

1147
01:44:49,450 --> 01:44:52,970
designs constructed, and Davidson was one of those legacy ones, we still have a few more

1148
01:44:52,970 --> 01:44:57,710
to do so that's the reason why David's almost chosen but I'm asking really

1149
01:44:57,710 --> 01:44:59,750
specifically I mean there's a very fancy

1150
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,380
City gravel piece, which I've never seen in a community before. And I'm just wondering, I know that people are wondering why that's there. Maybe there's a reason. Two reasons. Well, probably more, but two that the problem ones are buffers, because the sidewalk is pretty narrow through there, because we're very constrained in that corridor what we could fit in. So create extra buffer if you're right against the sidewalk. And second, which is probably the biggest reason,

1151
01:45:29,380 --> 01:45:33,660
is that when you come down hills and you clear snow, there's nowhere to put it.

1152
01:45:34,360 --> 01:45:38,320
So what happens is it goes on to the sidewalk and then you restrict the sidewalk and you

1153
01:45:38,320 --> 01:45:41,960
end up with this game where you keep pushing the snow from the sidewalk onto the road,

1154
01:45:42,340 --> 01:45:46,560
the snow player comes along and pushes the snow back from the road onto the sidewalk and

1155
01:45:46,560 --> 01:45:47,240
you don't get anywhere.

1156
01:45:47,780 --> 01:45:56,880
So having an area for storage, for sure, steep slopes is advantageous and it obviously

1157
01:45:56,880 --> 01:45:58,020
allows the snow to melt as well.

1158
01:45:58,020 --> 01:46:02,040
And the other thing is having those kind of bullet voids like that, as well as in terms

1159
01:46:02,040 --> 01:46:09,720
of the treatment, it prevents weed growth as well, having that treatment in there.

1160
01:46:10,620 --> 01:46:10,740
Yeah.

1161
01:46:14,960 --> 01:46:18,520
I didn't get an answer on the Woodstale piece.

1162
01:46:19,060 --> 01:46:20,100
Is that in the plan?

1163
01:46:22,080 --> 01:46:22,240
Yeah.

1164
01:46:22,640 --> 01:46:26,740
So Woodstale, we started designing last year and was hoping to construct this year, we came

1165
01:46:26,740 --> 01:46:31,380
back to Council and asked for an extra supplemental because there was more geotechnical, there was

1166
01:46:31,380 --> 01:46:37,280
more environmental, sorry, more environmental with wind field creek that we had to overcome

1167
01:46:37,280 --> 01:46:43,340
and also there was a land acquisition piece that we hadn't resolved yet and the other

1168
01:46:43,340 --> 01:46:50,060
big one is we started discussions with MOTI about the possibility of connecting the wood

1169
01:46:50,060 --> 01:46:56,540
steel bike lane corridor to Perlwater but we'd have to use the MOTI land for that, the western

1170
01:46:56,540 --> 01:46:58,260
portion and that work wasn't complete yet.

1171
01:46:58,260 --> 01:47:05,360
So there's a whole bunch of things that prevented us from getting the design complete last year and construction this year.

1172
01:47:06,040 --> 01:47:11,240
So the five year capital plan that Council would have seen has the hopefully the design finish this year construct next year.

1173
01:47:13,200 --> 01:47:14,740
Thank you. Glad to hear that.

1174
01:47:15,680 --> 01:47:18,120
All right. Thank you. Councilor Reed.

1175
01:47:19,580 --> 01:47:25,640
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. Thank you for that. Sorry to give you here, but just going back to that infamous slide, 32.

1176
01:47:25,640 --> 01:47:32,940
I've got two questions. The first one is back when we were first hearing about the road

1177
01:47:32,940 --> 01:47:40,300
situation and the backlog and deficit, we were looking at 1.2 million per year to keep

1178
01:47:40,300 --> 01:47:51,900
us to the 29-71 standard. And in the latest slides, it's 620? How did that miracle happen

1179
01:47:51,900 --> 01:47:57,720
of suddenly saving 600,000 a year on our plan from where we were a couple of months ago.

1180
01:47:58,500 --> 01:48:03,500
So three were a couple of reasons for that one is that Tom revisited the program and stretch it

1181
01:48:03,500 --> 01:48:08,200
as far as he was comfortable with based on the condition assessment. Okay. Making sure because

1182
01:48:08,200 --> 01:48:14,420
obviously there's always that delicate balance with repairing something just in time because clearly

1183
01:48:14,420 --> 01:48:19,980
if you repair it ahead of its life expectancy, you've just lost however many years life expectancy.

1184
01:48:19,980 --> 01:48:24,000
see, if you do it too late, you're repairing it or renewing it after it's failed, which

1185
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:28,200
just has safety concerns. So, we asked Tom to go and revisit that. And the second one

1186
01:48:28,200 --> 01:48:35,060
is that, I see if I did a whole bunch of financial degree pokery, which is definitely not my forte.

1187
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:40,660
And that's how we come up with the latest figures with DCC's and then realised that most of

1188
01:48:40,660 --> 01:48:47,140
that is a tribute to DCC's as well. So, I'm not taking any credit for any of that, that

1189
01:48:47,140 --> 01:48:53,040
I'm purely Tom. Excellent, Jigry Procreate Gentleman. Please feel free to use that on other

1190
01:48:53,040 --> 01:48:57,940
projects where we're in a deficit piece. My other question, we haven't really talked about

1191
01:48:57,940 --> 01:49:04,600
this, but just because we've gone from a really nice number to quite a scary one, 17.4

1192
01:49:04,600 --> 01:49:12,480
million for the Lake Country Business Park. Can we talk about that in terms of, is that in

1193
01:49:12,480 --> 01:49:18,320
And this plan is that, okay, they're shaking their heads, how would that be funded?

1194
01:49:19,020 --> 01:49:24,520
So the reason why we put it in this plan is that obviously it's a huge aspect to the

1195
01:49:24,520 --> 01:49:29,440
future mobility network for the community, and it's work that we had already done when

1196
01:49:29,440 --> 01:49:34,460
we were developing the Lake Country Business Park plans that Council have seen.

1197
01:49:35,300 --> 01:49:38,840
So we thought it wouldn't put it in there, so it was captured and recorded that that

1198
01:49:38,840 --> 01:49:39,500
piece of work is done.

1199
01:49:39,500 --> 01:49:43,820
and we understand what that that burden may look like today and today's

1200
01:49:43,820 --> 01:49:48,620
process. Yeah so through the future work that council may recall so we're doing

1201
01:49:48,620 --> 01:49:51,500
the ASP if they come to be spoken we're finishing the service in plan that

1202
01:49:51,500 --> 01:49:55,220
was the last session we had so when through those pieces of work that's where

1203
01:49:55,220 --> 01:50:01,760
we'll really dig into how those roads will be funded so that that funding

1204
01:50:01,760 --> 01:50:06,400
strategy will come out that work you know whether that's developer pays district

1205
01:50:06,400 --> 01:50:14,620
district, somehow advances the boroughs, DCCs, all those aspects will be reviewed during

1206
01:50:14,620 --> 01:50:18,400
the creation of that plan and then brought forward to Council for consideration.

1207
01:50:18,900 --> 01:50:23,340
When we're talking DCCs, are we talking DCCs specifically for the late country business

1208
01:50:23,340 --> 01:50:28,820
park, or are we diverting money from the DCCs that we're just using for the 620 to fund the

1209
01:50:28,820 --> 01:50:29,260
business park?

1210
01:50:29,260 --> 01:50:32,100
No, it'd be in addition, too, because those roads aren't actually included in the program.

1211
01:50:32,640 --> 01:50:32,920
Okay.

1212
01:50:33,640 --> 01:50:33,720
Great.

1213
01:50:34,060 --> 01:50:34,460
Thank you.

1214
01:50:34,460 --> 01:50:35,600
Appreciate it.

1215
01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:36,520
All right.

1216
01:50:36,980 --> 01:50:37,620
Anybody else?

1217
01:50:42,230 --> 01:50:42,790
Yes.

1218
01:50:43,270 --> 01:50:44,010
Councillors go.

1219
01:50:44,530 --> 01:50:45,070
I beg your pardon.

1220
01:50:45,830 --> 01:50:46,910
I am indeed.

1221
01:50:49,060 --> 01:50:50,320
I would move option A, sir.

1222
01:50:51,860 --> 01:50:53,460
Option A. Councillor Reid's second.

1223
01:50:53,960 --> 01:50:55,300
Any further discussion?

1224
01:50:56,500 --> 01:50:56,820
Any none?

1225
01:50:57,600 --> 01:50:58,580
Or Councillor McKenzie?

1226
01:50:59,660 --> 01:51:07,680
So just before we do this then, as far as the bull of fards and the trees and stuff, it's

1227
01:51:07,680 --> 01:51:18,780
covered for the new builds, but as far as the old roads, that would probably be

1228
01:51:18,780 --> 01:51:23,680
very expensive because you're going to have to add stuff. So how do we address

1229
01:51:23,680 --> 01:51:30,100
that? Because I'm comfortable with this, but it would be nice to have that

1230
01:51:30,100 --> 01:51:33,500
that somehow included in on this.

1231
01:51:35,740 --> 01:51:42,380
So, just to reiterate through a short that the existing, sorry, new roads are covered

1232
01:51:42,380 --> 01:51:47,500
by SDDS, so I think that should meet the intent of the discussion.

1233
01:51:49,170 --> 01:51:56,090
When it comes to existing roads, there are some roads that have an element of boulevard and

1234
01:51:56,090 --> 01:52:00,170
landscaping incorporated into them already under that current plan, under the current funding.

1235
01:52:00,730 --> 01:52:05,070
And like I say, I can provide that to Council, should they like to see that, to see what

1236
01:52:05,070 --> 01:52:07,290
roads we're talking about and what standard that is.

1237
01:52:08,690 --> 01:52:16,370
If Council wishes to go above and beyond and create more or increase the standard, then

1238
01:52:16,370 --> 01:52:19,950
I need some direction as to what that would look like and I could bring that back and we

1239
01:52:19,950 --> 01:52:25,830
We can either do that through the mobility improvement program and clarify that in the program

1240
01:52:25,830 --> 01:52:30,130
or we can just do that through annual budget deliberations when we look at what we're proposing.

1241
01:52:31,030 --> 01:52:35,790
Obviously, the mobility improvement program would then require a consistent stream of funding

1242
01:52:36,280 --> 01:52:39,930
for the next 20 years to make sure that that was sustainable, whereas if we do it through

1243
01:52:39,930 --> 01:52:42,190
budget deliberations, it means we do on a case-by-case basis.

1244
01:52:42,190 --> 01:52:49,910
So I yeah I think that might be the thing I just want to make sure that that doesn't get lost in the mix here

1245
01:52:49,910 --> 01:53:00,790
I want to make sure we we address that. Okay. I'm good with that. Other than that. Yes. Okay. Thanks. All right. We're in option 8. Those in favor?

1246
01:53:02,430 --> 01:53:02,910
Opposed?

1247
01:53:04,750 --> 01:53:07,130
Comforter Gamble opposed motion carries.

1248
01:53:08,990 --> 01:53:09,950
Jeremy's gone to bed.

1249
01:53:09,950 --> 01:53:15,970
it. Well, I don't know. There he is. He's still there. No, I didn't hit my button fast

1250
01:53:15,970 --> 01:53:17,410
enough. No, but I oppose it, too.

1251
01:53:20,560 --> 01:53:26,100
Mr. I oppose it, too. You're opposed to motion carries

1252
01:53:29,020 --> 01:53:35,480
contrary. All right. Kyle, are you doing connection fee?

1253
01:53:57,270 --> 01:53:59,230
Okay, good evening, Marin Council. I'm

1254
01:53:59,230 --> 01:54:03,890
going to Kyle Wilkins, you till these manager are going to present a quick presentation on

1255
01:54:03,890 --> 01:54:05,870
on the proposed connection fee by-law.

1256
01:54:06,930 --> 01:54:09,490
So the need for this by-law really originates

1257
01:54:09,490 --> 01:54:12,150
from the bottom of Lake Road phase two project.

1258
01:54:13,030 --> 01:54:15,230
New services, sewer services were installed

1259
01:54:15,230 --> 01:54:17,710
as six properties as part of the bottom of Lake

1260
01:54:17,710 --> 01:54:19,870
improvement project in 2021.

1261
01:54:20,610 --> 01:54:23,610
Adding sewer was also approved as part of the 2021

1262
01:54:23,610 --> 01:54:25,710
budget deliberation for these six properties.

1263
01:54:26,550 --> 01:54:29,490
And the reason that we did that was we're down there

1264
01:54:29,490 --> 01:54:30,850
with the rows getting ripped up.

1265
01:54:31,290 --> 01:54:33,450
These six properties are all zone commercial.

1266
01:54:33,450 --> 01:54:37,790
They're part of the town's core, town center area, also part of the core development area.

1267
01:54:38,350 --> 01:54:41,310
And it was considered strategically important to sewer these at that time.

1268
01:54:45,930 --> 01:54:52,670
So here's a map of the six properties that were seward and it costed a total of $185,000, $124.

1269
01:54:53,530 --> 01:54:56,810
It works out to $30,000 and $850 for property.

1270
01:54:57,370 --> 01:55:04,370
The original intent in the budget request was actually to collect this fund per property as they connected through what's known as a

1271
01:55:05,010 --> 01:55:09,910
The late-commerce agreement, after conferring with legal counsel, they actually said the late-commerce

1272
01:55:09,910 --> 01:55:13,730
agreement is really meant for an agreement between the district and the developer.

1273
01:55:14,270 --> 01:55:18,190
And the best method to actually recuperate this cost that's been expanded is actually through

1274
01:55:18,190 --> 01:55:22,670
a connection fee by law that would be at the time of connection.

1275
01:55:26,710 --> 01:55:28,750
So some quick highlight to the by law.

1276
01:55:28,830 --> 01:55:32,550
We actually wrote it in a manner so that we set up for water sewer infrastructures that

1277
01:55:32,550 --> 01:55:37,430
could potentially be used again just by doing a by-law amendment in future and adding additional

1278
01:55:37,870 --> 01:55:41,630
schedules. Again, like I've said, the connection fee would be due at the time of connection,

1279
01:55:41,810 --> 01:55:46,550
so if a property didn't connect, they wouldn't be charged this fee. It has a formula in it

1280
01:55:46,550 --> 01:55:52,690
for multi-family and industrial commercial and institutional ICI that equates it to single

1281
01:55:52,690 --> 01:55:56,370
family equivalencies so that some of those properties that they developed out would actually

1282
01:55:56,370 --> 01:56:04,110
pay more and then also it has an expiration date on the connection fee area so it's generally

1283
01:56:04,110 --> 01:56:09,230
a 20-year term just like a local service area or not a local service area a late-term

1284
01:56:09,230 --> 01:56:10,030
as agreement would be.

1285
01:56:12,870 --> 01:56:16,890
This isn't something new. Other communities use similar violas like

1286
01:56:16,890 --> 01:56:18,910
this. We actually modeled ours off of the City of

1287
01:56:18,910 --> 01:56:23,790
Colona. Some Councillors that have been doing this for a while may actually remember the

1288
01:56:23,790 --> 01:56:28,010
Woodstale connection fee area. There was a bunch of infrastructure that got put in down Woodstale

1289
01:56:28,010 --> 01:56:32,730
and those properties outlined in black had to pay additional fee when they connected in

1290
01:56:32,730 --> 01:56:35,950
order to help recuperate the cost to run the infrastructure down into that area.

1291
01:56:38,030 --> 01:56:43,030
So that concludes my presentation and the resolutions to Councillor, I presented as

1292
01:56:43,030 --> 01:56:43,270
follow.

1293
01:56:44,370 --> 01:56:45,270
Councillor Rhee.

1294
01:56:46,970 --> 01:56:48,790
Hi, Co. I have some questions.

1295
01:56:49,350 --> 01:56:50,830
Thanks very much for the presentation.

1296
01:56:51,970 --> 01:56:56,570
And really easy to read and very, very clear as far as I was going through it.

1297
01:56:56,570 --> 01:57:04,430
And my questions would be, what happens if the, I'm just thinking about some of the issues

1298
01:57:04,430 --> 01:57:07,270
we've had with BC Hydro and changing specifications.

1299
01:57:08,070 --> 01:57:14,910
So what happens if the infrastructure is installed by the district, but at the time of the connection

1300
01:57:15,650 --> 01:57:23,590
standards have changed and there is additional work that's required to be done in to bring

1301
01:57:23,590 --> 01:57:29,090
it up to that standard? Would that be covered by this agreement or would this agreement have

1302
01:57:29,090 --> 01:57:29,770
to be amended?

1303
01:57:30,750 --> 01:57:35,190
So, the only real standard that might change is the size of service that the property

1304
01:57:35,190 --> 01:57:39,290
might be required, right? And so, if a large development went in, then yes, we would have

1305
01:57:39,290 --> 01:57:43,130
to probably go in and put in another service to that property. But each of these properties

1306
01:57:43,130 --> 01:57:49,830
were ran with a service that's large enough to accommodate your average size of parcel.

1307
01:57:49,830 --> 01:57:51,990
So, it's not anticipated to be an issue.

1308
01:57:51,990 --> 01:57:55,350
but we're doing this bylaw for prosperity.

1309
01:57:56,550 --> 01:57:58,990
So this is not just about these particular properties.

1310
01:57:58,990 --> 01:58:02,110
This is going to apply to every time this happens down the road.

1311
01:58:02,470 --> 01:58:06,730
So it's not just what this particular case is going to be.

1312
01:58:06,770 --> 01:58:10,350
It's going to be what could be a case in two years' time.

1313
01:58:10,630 --> 01:58:15,670
So you're saying the developer, the connecting party would then have to pay

1314
01:58:15,670 --> 01:58:19,450
for the cost of the original install and then the cost of any upgrades.

1315
01:58:20,070 --> 01:58:24,930
That would be correct if they were to develop for that area, but we'd have to look at it.

1316
01:58:25,030 --> 01:58:29,090
It's looked at as on case-by-case basis if the standards change and we went into another

1317
01:58:29,090 --> 01:58:34,150
area and did something similar that we would then recuperate what we expanded to the standards

1318
01:58:34,150 --> 01:58:34,750
of that time.

1319
01:58:34,950 --> 01:58:35,070
Right.

1320
01:58:35,290 --> 01:58:35,390
Okay.

1321
01:58:35,650 --> 01:58:42,570
So then my follow-up question is, what if the cost of doing the original, just making the decision,

1322
01:58:42,770 --> 01:58:47,230
putting the infrastructure in, it costs $180,000 or whatever the correct price is, then

1323
01:58:47,230 --> 01:58:53,810
Then they connect on, they need to be upgraded, and the cost of doing the connection, the

1324
01:58:53,810 --> 01:58:59,430
redo of the connection is more than the cost of you just put it in at right the first

1325
01:58:59,430 --> 01:58:59,750
time.

1326
01:59:00,270 --> 01:59:06,210
So rather than preempting it, so now the property owner is paying extra because the district

1327
01:59:06,210 --> 01:59:11,050
made a decision to do the install initially, and now standards have changed, and they now

1328
01:59:11,050 --> 01:59:12,330
have to come in and redo it.

1329
01:59:13,990 --> 01:59:18,350
The scenario you're saying, I think I understand it, but it's pretty unlikely because we do

1330
01:59:18,350 --> 01:59:22,410
size these things for what we think is coming down on the pipeline, not just what's there

1331
01:59:22,410 --> 01:59:22,910
at the time.

1332
01:59:23,630 --> 01:59:29,330
And so we do our best to try to project out what's the need of this for a long term, not just

1333
01:59:29,330 --> 01:59:30,030
right at that moment.

1334
01:59:30,290 --> 01:59:30,430
Okay.

1335
01:59:30,550 --> 01:59:36,050
There were more questions as to has this been thought of than, you know, well, yeah, so,

1336
01:59:36,670 --> 01:59:40,930
and then you'd mentioned my last question was about this is just one instance, so the plan

1337
01:59:40,930 --> 01:59:45,090
would be if there was another situation where this district had done this, there would be another

1338
01:59:45,090 --> 01:59:50,370
schedule C and a schedule D and a schedule blah, blah, blah. Yeah, yeah. If you go into like the city

1339
01:59:50,370 --> 01:59:55,070
cloners, city cloners only did a sewer connection fee by them. If you look, they've got like 10 different

1340
01:59:55,070 --> 01:59:59,910
schedules for different areas on. I notice the the the up

1341
02:00:00,980 --> 02:00:26,500
I'm just looking at this because we have a commercial property and we just got dinged with the changes to the sewer by law. It's quadrupled our sewer bill. So I'm very cautious now of when we look at things and there's just a few numbers. What does it look like in practicality because that was a shock. We're now being charged for water that isn't going down the sewer water that's not being used on the garden.

1342
02:00:26,500 --> 02:00:30,120
things going into irrigation, that's all getting charged to us. So that's a little bit of a,

1343
02:00:30,200 --> 02:00:35,200
wow, that was how that one worked planned out in reality. So I'm just conscious of looking and

1344
02:00:35,200 --> 02:00:41,160
kind of saying, okay, well, what does, what do these numbers mean? And the uplift for the commercial

1345
02:00:41,760 --> 02:00:49,500
is based on a 300 square metres, which is around about 3,200 square feet. So that seems very reasonable

1346
02:00:49,500 --> 02:00:54,320
number to have there to say, okay, if you've got a commercial property and you're equating it to a

1347
02:00:54,320 --> 02:00:58,400
single family dwelling, you're talking about a commercial property that starts, you know,

1348
02:00:58,520 --> 02:01:02,960
for one single family dwelling, you're starting at 3,000 square feet for commercial property.

1349
02:01:03,180 --> 02:01:07,880
So that makes a lot of sense. I just had to kind of run the numbers in my head because

1350
02:01:07,880 --> 02:01:10,520
last time it was, I don't think I looked properly at it.

1351
02:01:10,840 --> 02:01:11,520
So yeah.

1352
02:01:12,360 --> 02:01:14,720
Okay. Side note, I would like to talk to you about your

1353
02:01:21,780 --> 02:01:30,660
Thank you, Mr. Mayor. I just wanted to clarify about the connection fee. So, is it going

1354
02:01:30,660 --> 02:01:37,980
to be per unit, per individual unit? Would it be per house? You know, if there's a secondary

1355
02:01:37,980 --> 02:01:45,760
is there a separate charge for that unit? And what if it's maybe converted to condos,

1356
02:01:46,000 --> 02:01:52,160
and what if that law is changed to condos, or is condos, that type of thing?

1357
02:01:52,660 --> 02:01:54,760
What is, is there a schedule?

1358
02:01:55,200 --> 02:01:59,980
If nothing changes, it's per property, right? So if those six properties, nothing change

1359
02:01:59,980 --> 02:02:04,400
on that existing property comes in, doesn't want to redevelop or anything, they pay that one cost.

1360
02:02:04,400 --> 02:02:08,280
But there is a formula in there that should they want to go put in condos or

1361
02:02:08,280 --> 02:02:15,100
Develop into ICI property or anything like that where it actually there's equating equation to single family equivalencies

1362
02:02:15,100 --> 02:02:22,580
And then they're generally charged a little more in order to in order to connect. Okay. Okay, thanks

1363
02:02:23,420 --> 02:02:23,940
Congratulations

1364
02:02:23,940 --> 02:02:26,600
You know, thank you, Mr. Mayor

1365
02:02:27,700 --> 02:02:32,560
So the scenario I'm thinking about is the Okinawa Center water upgrade scenario

1366
02:02:34,160 --> 02:02:39,580
So we're upgrading all the water infrastructure there, and I don't really know if there's

1367
02:02:39,580 --> 02:02:45,580
a cost to the property owner for us to reconnect the water, the system that we're going to

1368
02:02:45,580 --> 02:02:47,520
take out of there and replace.

1369
02:02:49,100 --> 02:02:51,500
Okay, so this is for new infrastructure.

1370
02:02:51,800 --> 02:02:56,620
Okay, adding on to it, when we're going in and fixing or replacing old infrastructure, it's

1371
02:02:56,620 --> 02:02:57,400
covered under the rates.

1372
02:02:57,400 --> 02:03:04,720
Yeah, I just didn't know if new, I mean, this is new infrastructure that's going in to replace the old, but it's still new.

1373
02:03:05,100 --> 02:03:07,960
So, no, this is an extension of the existing system.

1374
02:03:08,240 --> 02:03:15,720
Yeah, and on top, in an ideal world, if we would do this under a local service area, something like that, right?

1375
02:03:16,120 --> 02:03:20,640
Where we have it voted on and goes through electoral cent, and we can add on the properties.

1376
02:03:20,780 --> 02:03:24,140
This was one where you're looking at it kind of precariously, is this going to go through?

1377
02:03:24,140 --> 02:03:30,380
We strategically really want this to go in for these various reasons and so rather than go to the local service area

1378
02:03:30,380 --> 02:03:34,960
Where we're not sure if it's going to pass let's we can count steps the option now on certain projects

1379
02:03:34,960 --> 02:03:36,940
They came we want this to go in irregardless

1380
02:03:37,860 --> 02:03:40,360
And so it can be looked at as a tool essentially

1381
02:03:41,720 --> 02:03:48,740
Yeah, my understanding was the it's an upgrade to the existing water system, but also an extension. So

1382
02:03:49,600 --> 02:03:53,600
There will be new users and what was the fees being

1383
02:03:55,440 --> 02:04:01,660
Yes. Are we talking about the open organ center? I know I'm not sure or we're just talking

1384
02:04:01,660 --> 02:04:08,680
generally about connections now. No. We should stick to the sewer and this is talking

1385
02:04:08,680 --> 02:04:12,200
strictly new extension extension of the existing system of new infrastructure.

1386
02:04:12,200 --> 02:04:20,740
Sure. All right. First, second and third, Councillor Gamble, and second, Councillor

1387
02:04:20,740 --> 02:04:28,040
Reed. Those, uh, Councillor Koseb for the discussion.

1388
02:04:28,520 --> 02:04:38,420
You know, those in favor? Opposed? Is that a yes or no? He shook his head. He had a negative

1389
02:04:38,420 --> 02:04:47,200
shake and I had nothing to add but I'm positive on it. I like this one. Those are in

1390
02:04:47,200 --> 02:04:52,220
favor. Call you do a great job. Oppose? And Greg. Thank you. Thank you, Mary

1391
02:04:52,220 --> 02:04:54,960
Compton. All right. And thank you. Thank you. Go. Good job.

1392
02:04:58,950 --> 02:05:01,150
Breeding apparatus here

1393
02:05:03,840 --> 02:05:07,500
from the chief. Hail to the chief.

1394
02:05:58,000 --> 02:06:03,840
Okay, part of me, so we wanted to just start off with where we were with our priorities.

1395
02:06:04,320 --> 02:06:09,780
So trying, you know, a picture tells a thousand words, so we looked at Council's priorities,

1396
02:06:10,220 --> 02:06:14,980
looked at the OCP, so where this fire department is now, where it's going to be over the next

1397
02:06:14,980 --> 02:06:21,440
sort of 15 years, obviously worked with finance staff on where we are with the financial

1398
02:06:21,440 --> 02:06:25,620
plan and looked around for some grant funding that might be able to be able to help us out

1399
02:06:25,620 --> 02:06:30,820
with this. Also the changing landscape of the NFPA standards and then our obligations under

1400
02:06:30,820 --> 02:06:31,620
WorkSafe BC.

1401
02:06:33,910 --> 02:06:39,250
In terms of council's priorities, what Fire Staff looked out was just looking

1402
02:06:39,250 --> 02:06:44,170
at sustainable infrastructure, trying to be transparent, especially when we're dealing with

1403
02:06:44,170 --> 02:06:50,890
what we perceive is a pretty big training and safety issue, and trying to make balance decision-making

1404
02:06:50,890 --> 02:06:52,510
for the long term here.

1405
02:06:54,550 --> 02:07:02,130
In the report, we kind of detail out that we have approximately 60 self-contained bringing apparatus and service with the fire department.

1406
02:07:02,470 --> 02:07:09,070
They're all the same brand, but there's seven different models that we've been bought historically sort of four or five at a time.

1407
02:07:09,570 --> 02:07:20,610
And that creates a training conundrum for us because we have to teach our firefighters not only how to be proficient with the pack, but also the differences in the packs and they have different safety features in them over time.

1408
02:07:20,610 --> 02:07:29,090
So I kind of broke it down that there's 30 legacy units that have been in service for about 20 years or 20 years plus and those are

1409
02:07:29,730 --> 02:07:37,810
Definitely at the point where they could be retired out the sticky part for us was that there was about another 20 units in

1410
02:07:37,810 --> 02:07:38,690
service that

1411
02:07:38,690 --> 02:07:47,210
While there's sort of mid-life, there'd be very expensive to upgrade to a modern standard and we can't bring them fully up to provide all of our

1412
02:07:47,210 --> 02:07:51,970
firefighters equal access to the sort of the safest air pack that you would be able

1413
02:07:51,970 --> 02:07:52,730
to purchase today.

1414
02:07:55,350 --> 02:08:00,650
One of the other things, and I'll get into bit of financials, but the NFPA standards,

1415
02:08:00,870 --> 02:08:04,730
so National Fire Protection Association, it's about 50,000 members worldwide.

1416
02:08:05,010 --> 02:08:06,970
They drive over 300 consensus standards.

1417
02:08:07,730 --> 02:08:16,830
It's folks like myself and Chief Penner, or a manufacturer's rep or an engineer or a fire

1418
02:08:16,830 --> 02:08:17,870
on different standards.

1419
02:08:18,490 --> 02:08:21,230
So a lot of these standards are driven,

1420
02:08:21,230 --> 02:08:23,850
especially the firefighter protective equipment ones.

1421
02:08:24,310 --> 02:08:25,450
They're unfortunately, they're driven

1422
02:08:25,450 --> 02:08:27,050
because of incidents that have happened,

1423
02:08:27,150 --> 02:08:28,070
and we learn those lessons,

1424
02:08:28,190 --> 02:08:29,910
we try to pass those on through those standards.

1425
02:08:30,890 --> 02:08:32,510
Bulk of it's in North America,

1426
02:08:32,550 --> 02:08:34,330
but it does reach worldwide.

1427
02:08:36,530 --> 02:08:40,590
So the NFA Committee for Self-Cutane Breeding App Rats

1428
02:08:40,590 --> 02:08:42,690
is pulling all approvals on equipment,

1429
02:08:42,870 --> 02:08:44,630
manufactured prior to 2002.

1430
02:08:44,630 --> 02:08:49,450
to, and that's because some major changes in terms of safety for firefighters.

1431
02:08:51,930 --> 02:09:02,490
The budget plan through to 27 identifies incremental purchase of SEBA, and that goes back understand

1432
02:09:02,490 --> 02:09:03,630
until about 2017.

1433
02:09:04,470 --> 02:09:08,610
The problem with that is with the changing standards and we're constantly straddling sort

1434
02:09:08,610 --> 02:09:14,990
three, four additions right now standards are actually five. That model will always

1435
02:09:14,990 --> 02:09:19,930
have us going forward. We'll always be straddling at the best two standards, but we'll probably

1436
02:09:19,930 --> 02:09:22,910
be straddling more likely to be straddling three standards.

1437
02:09:25,170 --> 02:09:32,890
So if we were to make the retire the older packs and trade them in and upgrade the rest that

1438
02:09:32,890 --> 02:09:34,770
that we have, and then purchase all new,

1439
02:09:35,290 --> 02:09:38,810
definitely make a significant impact on safety

1440
02:09:38,810 --> 02:09:41,230
in terms of we're gonna simplify our firefighters training.

1441
02:09:42,010 --> 02:09:44,050
They'd all be given the same access

1442
02:09:44,050 --> 02:09:45,330
to the same safety equipment,

1443
02:09:45,510 --> 02:09:47,330
no matter what station or what truck you get on.

1444
02:09:51,330 --> 02:09:54,110
The opportunity here, which is sort of laid out

1445
02:09:54,110 --> 02:09:57,190
in option A, is to use some COVID restart money

1446
02:09:57,190 --> 02:10:01,430
because it's staff believe it fits the requirements

1447
02:10:01,430 --> 02:10:06,850
under that grant. There's a grant that closes on October 31st, it's for

1448
02:10:06,850 --> 02:10:16,170
firefighter equipment and firefighting equipment from UBCM, and would be eligible for one time to ask of $30,000.

1449
02:10:16,610 --> 02:10:24,710
And I believe that grant closes on October 31st, worked with obviously with Deputy Chief

1450
02:10:24,710 --> 02:10:27,850
We've had our finance staff and we looked at moving some money around.

1451
02:10:28,090 --> 02:10:34,710
So, depending on what option is selected here tonight, there would be up to an additional

1452
02:10:34,710 --> 02:10:39,590
$306,000 to $506,000 that would be used out of the Fire Facilities Equipment Fund.

1453
02:10:40,510 --> 02:10:45,890
And we're moving some projects from the 2022 budget to fund this.

1454
02:10:46,030 --> 02:10:52,590
So that would be a cancellation of a proposed purchase of a pickup truck, self-contained

1455
02:10:52,590 --> 02:11:00,530
breeding apparatus, compressor station, and using actual SEBA money towards this so that

1456
02:11:00,530 --> 02:11:04,330
there's less of an impact to the fire facilities and equipment reserve.

1457
02:11:05,710 --> 02:11:10,150
And just so you know what you're buying in this sales pitch, on the left hand side

1458
02:11:10,150 --> 02:11:15,850
of the screen is the actual air pack itself with a cylinder in it, and that's a particular

1459
02:11:15,850 --> 02:11:17,070
brand that we do use.

1460
02:11:18,050 --> 02:11:23,470
So it would be 50 new units like that with 70 new masks, so that's one mask per member.

1461
02:11:24,110 --> 02:11:28,970
It's a hygiene thing and they're fit tested to the individual annually.

1462
02:11:30,310 --> 02:11:34,430
And then the cylinders, and then three of the evryt packs, and those are used in case

1463
02:11:34,430 --> 02:11:40,190
a firefighter gets stuck in an area that they can't get out of, and we can bring in breathing

1464
02:11:40,190 --> 02:11:45,870
air to them to refill their air pack while they're actually inside of a situation.

1465
02:11:54,450 --> 02:12:00,540
Thank you, Mr. Mayor, and thank you for your presentation, chiefly.

1466
02:12:04,420 --> 02:12:13,840
So, two questions, because we have the replacement programme that has been running since 2017,

1467
02:12:13,840 --> 02:12:19,000
and when the presentation was made to council, these items would have said they would have

1468
02:12:19,000 --> 02:12:26,940
a 15-year renewal life, and so what we're doing is actually throwing away ten of those

1469
02:12:26,940 --> 02:12:32,280
which equates to $120,000 in order to do this program.

1470
02:12:32,920 --> 02:12:40,720
So my first question is what guarantees do we have that the 50 units are not going to

1471
02:12:40,720 --> 02:12:46,860
be obsolete in year five as we are currently with our 2017 units that we've purchased.

1472
02:12:48,100 --> 02:12:54,500
So to answer your question, what we'd be able to do is upgrade all the air packs to

1473
02:12:54,500 --> 02:13:01,580
one standard and one specific addition and then operate those air packs for 15 years.

1474
02:13:02,500 --> 02:13:07,660
And they have a lifetime warranty, they save bumper to bumper unless you run it over, slam

1475
02:13:07,660 --> 02:13:13,580
a door or something like that and that covers all the electronic components and then we would

1476
02:13:13,580 --> 02:13:20,060
shift our budget strategy instead of allocating the approximately $45,000 a year that would go into

1477
02:13:20,060 --> 02:13:25,440
the fire facilities and reserve so that we could plan for a bulk purchase in 15 years so we wouldn't

1478
02:13:25,440 --> 02:13:33,140
intend to change the air packs for 15 years and that's a model that some departments in the valley

1479
02:13:33,140 --> 02:13:37,040
have adopted and some departments in the lower mainland have adopted recently?

1480
02:13:37,700 --> 02:13:42,960
I would maybe suggest that you might want to plan on a 10-year replacement just to have

1481
02:13:42,960 --> 02:13:43,940
that contingency.

1482
02:13:44,120 --> 02:13:45,840
If you don't need to use it, you don't need to use it.

1483
02:13:46,220 --> 02:13:50,560
But if somebody goes and changes the standards on it, you've got no control over that and suddenly

1484
02:13:50,560 --> 02:13:55,080
you might be facing another, but it's better to have the money and not need to spend it.

1485
02:13:55,220 --> 02:13:59,780
And then you've got it there to have, and it seems to be given what we've just been through,

1486
02:13:59,780 --> 02:14:07,280
it would be seems me prudent to do that. Just for where I am on this, I would be looking

1487
02:14:07,280 --> 02:14:14,820
for option B, which is not using the COVID restart grant. And my reason for that is not

1488
02:14:14,820 --> 02:14:19,980
because obviously I personally, yeah, I want my husband to have a new pack. It would be lovely.

1489
02:14:20,300 --> 02:14:26,680
I don't want anything. I don't want to happen to. But with the COVID restart grant, it's

1490
02:14:26,680 --> 02:14:29,060
We've only got 600,000 left.

1491
02:14:29,600 --> 02:14:32,760
We're about to enter possibly one of the tightest budget cycles

1492
02:14:32,760 --> 02:14:34,400
that we will go through as a council

1493
02:14:34,400 --> 02:14:38,500
with a huge amount of additional funding

1494
02:14:38,500 --> 02:14:41,580
that we have previously funded in 2022 budget

1495
02:14:41,580 --> 02:14:44,560
and 2021 budget out of the COVID restart grant

1496
02:14:44,560 --> 02:14:47,340
in programs that we may wish to continue

1497
02:14:47,340 --> 02:14:49,060
but are not taxpayer funded.

1498
02:14:49,620 --> 02:14:52,140
We also have the cost of living increases.

1499
02:14:52,140 --> 02:14:59,840
So, we were already talking in 2022 just as we were finishing the project where we were looking at.

1500
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:29,940
In terms of attack increase, and before we done any budget work at all, if you just took the stuff that was left over from 2022, as that had been temporarily funded, you were looking at something like a 67% tax increase. I am conscious that we are going into an election. We're going to have a new council, and I feel that it is prudent to give them the flexibility to decide how they're going to deploy that COVID restart money and to give them

1501
02:15:29,940 --> 02:15:35,540
much in that bucket as we possibly can given the tightness and the amount of

1502
02:15:35,540 --> 02:15:40,220
programs that are currently running on to on a temporary funded basis. So that's

1503
02:15:40,220 --> 02:15:44,960
my only my reason for doing that. And as a plan has been presented to me not to

1504
02:15:44,960 --> 02:15:49,780
use that money, I'm going to go with option B at the moment. Thank you. Thank you.

1505
02:15:50,400 --> 02:15:54,460
Anybody else speak to this? Can I come from McKenzie?

1506
02:15:57,560 --> 02:15:58,820
I just wanted to be

1507
02:15:58,820 --> 02:16:00,300
Bill, thank you, Mr. Rare.

1508
02:16:00,880 --> 02:16:02,240
I wanted to steal my ideas.

1509
02:16:04,000 --> 02:16:04,280
Sorry.

1510
02:16:04,280 --> 02:16:09,180
No, as far as the safety aspect of this goes,

1511
02:16:09,860 --> 02:16:12,100
I think this is a no-brainer for me.

1512
02:16:13,300 --> 02:16:18,500
I do agree with my fellow councillor that it's probably

1513
02:16:19,300 --> 02:16:22,380
wise of us to choose the other option.

1514
02:16:23,220 --> 02:16:27,720
So I just wanted to make sure that that was the case.

1515
02:16:27,720 --> 02:16:31,580
so I will move that if I have a second turn.

1516
02:16:31,900 --> 02:16:32,140
The

1517
02:16:38,280 --> 02:16:39,080
councilor Scarov?

1518
02:16:39,640 --> 02:16:43,020
Well, sir, I was going to move option B,

1519
02:16:43,680 --> 02:16:46,320
but now that it's been moved by the guy who beat me,

1520
02:16:46,580 --> 02:16:50,160
then I will just support his opponent, okay?

1521
02:16:50,380 --> 02:16:51,520
So you didn't mean to talk to him.

1522
02:16:53,400 --> 02:16:56,220
And yes, I'd certainly support that.

1523
02:16:56,940 --> 02:16:58,880
Oh, sorry, Councillor Cosa.

1524
02:17:01,460 --> 02:17:01,720
You there?

1525
02:17:01,780 --> 02:17:03,180
I thought you guys were going to forget me.

1526
02:17:06,000 --> 02:17:13,400
But I just wanted to continue and say that someone who's worn an SCBA for 25 years back

1527
02:17:13,400 --> 02:17:16,980
when they were a bigger ranger on your chest and I hope they still don't have those old

1528
02:17:16,980 --> 02:17:22,460
guys, but no, this is something that streamlining and putting it all together, although, I must

1529
02:17:22,460 --> 02:17:28,460
say I've never gone into a fire building fire with one little bit different circumstances,

1530
02:17:28,460 --> 02:17:33,120
the places that I enter with them, but no, I just wanted to say that I'm fully

1531
02:17:33,120 --> 02:17:36,640
behind this. This is a type of stuff we need to do. We need to have our firemen

1532
02:17:36,640 --> 02:17:40,060
safe and we need to get behind them and make sure that everything is

1533
02:17:40,060 --> 02:17:43,840
streamlined and the same, especially when you're an emergency situation or when

1534
02:17:43,840 --> 02:17:47,980
you're in a confined space, you want to know that all of your gear is the same.

1535
02:17:48,000 --> 02:17:51,500
You don't want to have different gear for at different stations and stuff like

1536
02:17:51,500 --> 02:17:55,360
that, so I just wanted to throw that in there. And I'm all for option B. Thank you.

1537
02:17:55,360 --> 02:18:14,320
Thank you very good. Thank you. Councilor Scara just a question to the chief. I think you mentioned earlier that we maybe are going to deflect the purchase of a new pickup truck and put that resource towards this project. Is that what I heard? That's correct. Yeah. So if you don't get a new pickup truck, what is Steve going to drive?

1538
02:18:19,080 --> 02:18:22,480
I appreciate that. I think that we buy too many brand new trucks.

1539
02:18:23,360 --> 02:18:24,720
Any further discussion?

1540
02:18:25,500 --> 02:18:26,060
No.

1541
02:18:26,440 --> 02:18:27,020
Those in favor?

1542
02:18:27,460 --> 02:18:27,620
Yeah.

1543
02:18:27,900 --> 02:18:30,080
I suppose everybody is in favor.

1544
02:18:30,300 --> 02:18:30,640
Thank you.

1545
02:18:30,960 --> 02:18:31,740
And thank you very much.

1546
02:18:31,840 --> 02:18:32,480
Good presentation.

1547
02:18:33,020 --> 02:18:37,540
And thank you, Cara, for saving money to spend elsewhere.

1548
02:18:38,740 --> 02:18:39,300
Are

1549
02:18:45,580 --> 02:18:47,020
we reporting from in-camera?

1550
02:18:48,100 --> 02:18:48,340
No.

1551
02:18:48,340 --> 02:18:49,580
Council

1552
02:18:54,760 --> 02:19:00,140
or items and notice a motion from Councillor Reid.

1553
02:19:02,540 --> 02:19:09,780
Okay, this is the first of two norms. So my first notice of motion is that staff be directed

1554
02:19:09,780 --> 02:19:14,600
to report back to Council on the operation and budgetary implications of including property

1555
02:19:14,600 --> 02:19:22,100
that is currently identified as a road and immediately fronting the Toby 16590 Toby Road

1556
02:19:22,100 --> 02:19:27,160
continuing north up to including the ward front end in front of Toby Road into the scheduled

1557
02:19:27,160 --> 02:19:32,080
maintained and park areas, including maintenance, signage and improve public access to the

1558
02:19:32,080 --> 02:19:38,180
ward front. In accordance with the objectives of the official community plan and the parks

1559
02:19:38,180 --> 02:19:44,440
and recreation master plan, and this in kind of colloquial terms is looking at extending

1560
02:19:44,440 --> 02:19:51,640
the scope of the maintained aspect of Gable Beach Park, northwards to the junction of Toby

1561
02:19:51,640 --> 02:19:58,080
be road. A couple of reasons around this. One invasive species has really overtaken that

1562
02:19:58,080 --> 02:20:06,460
park, that part of the road end, and there was an initiative by the community to clear

1563
02:20:06,460 --> 02:20:12,600
that up on the 27th of August. Thank you to Bob Smith and Anthia and Diane Smith who

1564
02:20:12,600 --> 02:20:17,280
came out and did that, and it's made an amazing difference. And they've been working closely

1565
02:20:17,280 --> 02:20:23,560
with the parks team through the Community Association, and Sean is going to come out there and cut down

1566
02:20:23,560 --> 02:20:28,160
the remaining trees and put some herbicide on the stumps to take out the roots, and there's

1567
02:20:28,160 --> 02:20:32,640
probably going to be some ongoing maintenance, but after a while, they'll just kind of creep into

1568
02:20:32,640 --> 02:20:38,900
the maintained area and produce more work there. The property owner who fronts that property is

1569
02:20:38,900 --> 02:20:47,140
very keen that this becomes part of the maintained park for the invasive species, which are then

1570
02:20:47,140 --> 02:20:52,860
and general by-law maintenance, so and then by adding Toby Road it gives another, again,

1571
02:20:53,040 --> 02:21:00,020
invasive species management that can be taken care of and another access to the park, and this

1572
02:21:00,020 --> 02:21:06,580
is adding to an existing park, so it's not intended to be extra visits out or an additional area

1573
02:21:06,580 --> 02:21:13,260
that needs to be driven to, it's adding to it, and as we're asking the community to consider providing

1574
02:21:13,260 --> 02:21:18,580
waterfront fund funding for another waterfront park to the tune of six million. I think it's really

1575
02:21:18,580 --> 02:21:24,380
important that we show that we're also maximizing our current inventory and our water, and this is

1576
02:21:24,380 --> 02:21:33,420
one way of doing that. Thank you. I thought that statutory right away extended north to beyond

1577
02:21:33,420 --> 02:21:39,620
over. It does, and this was just the intent to do it up to the Toby Road end because it's the most

1578
02:21:40,380 --> 02:21:45,820
It's most heavily vegetated with invasive species, and it's not the option to go further,

1579
02:21:45,860 --> 02:21:50,180
but I think it was more of a, in the community plan from 2006.

1580
02:21:50,780 --> 02:21:57,160
It was more envisaged to be kind of a trail, to connect up to Coral Beach South, and that's

1581
02:21:57,160 --> 02:22:02,020
something I think might be something the Parks and Recreation Department may look at in

1582
02:22:02,020 --> 02:22:02,400
the future.

1583
02:22:02,520 --> 02:22:04,920
But this was just the first step of the potential.

1584
02:22:05,300 --> 02:22:05,400
Good.

1585
02:22:05,680 --> 02:22:05,920
Thank you.

1586
02:22:06,140 --> 02:22:06,920
Councillor Scaram.

1587
02:22:06,920 --> 02:22:15,390
I'll speak in favor of this motion, even though I feel it's a little bit unnecessary

1588
02:22:15,870 --> 02:22:21,870
because knowing Councillor Reid and her attention, I imagine Sean's going to be paying attention

1589
02:22:21,870 --> 02:22:23,370
to this no matter what we do.

1590
02:22:25,810 --> 02:22:34,550
But I was down there today, I visited Gable Beach and after we decided as a community to keep

1591
02:22:34,550 --> 02:22:39,570
that beach, it makes some sense to me that we should maintain that beach.

1592
02:22:39,570 --> 02:22:46,450
I talked a little bit to the local councillor down there about the level of maintenance that occurs today and

1593
02:22:47,430 --> 02:22:48,310
it's not that

1594
02:22:50,470 --> 02:22:56,510
Hi, but it shouldn't be because of the size of the park and the amount of use it gets

1595
02:22:57,050 --> 02:23:02,690
But it's a growing park and I think the use is improving and I think in order to serve our

1596
02:23:02,690 --> 02:23:08,430
community correctly we should improve our maintenance along with the improved

1597
02:23:08,430 --> 02:23:15,210
use of Gable Beach so I will be voting in support of this motion. Thank you. Any

1598
02:23:15,210 --> 02:23:21,630
further discussion? Oh, this is a notice of motion. Can we do it? Can I make a

1599
02:23:21,630 --> 02:23:23,850
motion? Yes, you can make a motion. Sorry.

1600
02:23:26,250 --> 02:23:31,230
You make the motion. I'll get a motion. Okay, I'll

1601
02:23:31,230 --> 02:23:32,310
I'll make a motion.

1602
02:23:33,090 --> 02:23:37,870
I'll do that effect in conscious go second all right now discussion on the motion.

1603
02:23:38,850 --> 02:23:39,510
All right.

1604
02:23:41,750 --> 02:23:44,870
I'm going to say I'm not.

1605
02:23:45,010 --> 02:23:47,110
It's not that I'm not in favor of this.

1606
02:23:48,270 --> 02:23:49,990
I would just hope to see that.

1607
02:23:51,630 --> 02:23:52,730
You know right now.

1608
02:23:53,610 --> 02:23:59,770
You know, can I have a center we have a massively long beach that gets very little attention.

1609
02:23:59,770 --> 02:24:03,450
and because we simply can't afford to do it.

1610
02:24:04,250 --> 02:24:09,210
So I would just be concerned that, you know,

1611
02:24:10,150 --> 02:24:12,750
outside of Ouyama, it's our busiest beach.

1612
02:24:13,230 --> 02:24:14,970
It might be busier than Ouyama.

1613
02:24:15,850 --> 02:24:21,890
And it certainly needs, well, you have to actually

1614
02:24:21,890 --> 02:24:23,210
leave Ouyama once in a while.

1615
02:24:23,650 --> 02:24:26,590
I go there once in a while when I can get a passport.

1616
02:24:29,770 --> 02:24:33,930
yeah look at it it it's extremely heavily used is everybody knows and it's

1617
02:24:33,930 --> 02:24:38,930
requires a lot of attention that you know that I it's not for lack of time by

1618
02:24:38,930 --> 02:24:43,950
the park skies but right now they're stretched just picking up the

1619
02:24:43,950 --> 02:24:48,350
garbage on the road well they don't really have time to go and pick up the

1620
02:24:48,350 --> 02:24:52,810
garbage on the beach or or do much else other than cut it every once in a

1621
02:24:52,810 --> 02:24:56,990
while and uh you know that would be my concern is that

1622
02:24:56,990 --> 02:25:06,070
But we stretch that budget so far that we're not actually servicing the places that are

1623
02:25:06,070 --> 02:25:07,810
heavily, heavily visited.

1624
02:25:08,510 --> 02:25:15,130
And if you were to walk along the road, which I did today, along the pebble beach side,

1625
02:25:15,550 --> 02:25:22,610
that whole little green space that's between the beach and the road has been decimated by

1626
02:25:22,610 --> 02:25:23,350
the summer use.

1627
02:25:23,350 --> 02:25:31,630
every single possible method of entering the beachfront has been stomped on. Every single plant has been stomped on. The trees are barely living.

1628
02:25:32,370 --> 02:25:38,910
Cars park on the trees and they park on the tree roots despite our best efforts to try to stop that from happening.

1629
02:25:39,910 --> 02:25:52,230
You know, it's an extremely long beachfront. So I would hope that we would be able to stretch that because I would hate to see that part not get serviced.

1630
02:25:52,230 --> 02:25:55,130
because it's getting more and more difficult,

1631
02:25:55,570 --> 02:25:56,990
and it's getting more and more used,

1632
02:25:57,110 --> 02:25:58,210
and it's getting more and more abused,

1633
02:25:59,990 --> 02:26:01,850
and it needs some money thrown at it.

1634
02:26:01,990 --> 02:26:02,750
There's no doubt about it.

1635
02:26:03,870 --> 02:26:04,650
All right, thank you.

1636
02:26:04,790 --> 02:26:05,410
Councilor Gamble.

1637
02:26:05,890 --> 02:26:06,470
Thank you.

1638
02:26:06,530 --> 02:26:08,570
Well, I will be supporting this resolution

1639
02:26:08,570 --> 02:26:12,990
because it is asking that staff be directed

1640
02:26:12,990 --> 02:26:16,210
to report back to Council on the budgetary

1641
02:26:16,210 --> 02:26:19,390
and operational implications, which I think is great.

1642
02:26:20,270 --> 02:26:24,850
And so before we make a decision, we're going to have a report and I like that.

1643
02:26:25,330 --> 02:26:26,690
So I will support this.

1644
02:26:26,910 --> 02:26:33,030
And just a comment, I swim down at Okanagan Center as often as I can and love it.

1645
02:26:33,470 --> 02:26:40,310
And no, I don't ride a bike down there, never did in fact, rode a bike but not down there.

1646
02:26:40,310 --> 02:26:40,370
there.

1647
02:26:42,870 --> 02:26:48,330
But I just want to say that when I have been there, which is, you know, frequently

1648
02:26:48,330 --> 02:26:55,650
this summer, I go to Pebble Beach, so it has been amazingly clean. So, you know, and

1649
02:26:55,650 --> 02:27:00,290
if we have any litter, we put it in the garbage can and I make sure the kids do that, the

1650
02:27:00,290 --> 02:27:07,010
grandkids do that too. So I just have to say I love that area and whoever's helping to

1651
02:27:07,010 --> 02:27:12,810
clean it up? Are they doing a wonderful job? And maybe it's our staff, but all I know is it's

1652
02:27:12,810 --> 02:27:19,330
really nice. And thanks to those that are doing it. Councillor Reid.

1653
02:27:20,850 --> 02:27:26,110
Thank you, Mr. Mayor, and thank you, Councillor Campbell, for raising that. Yes, it is just a notice

1654
02:27:26,110 --> 02:27:31,130
emotion, a motion to come before council at the budget time, so it's not a decision at this time.

1655
02:27:31,130 --> 02:27:38,130
and I think as happens on many of our beaches, it's the community support and I have to say

1656
02:27:38,130 --> 02:27:42,570
the feedback I've had from the teams who have been working with the parks department has just

1657
02:27:42,570 --> 02:27:48,370
been an exception and they've had a great conversation and this is a beach that's seen more and more

1658
02:27:48,370 --> 02:27:55,490
community involvement and engagement and support. They've already funded $15,000, $1500, sorry,

1659
02:27:55,830 --> 02:28:00,630
for a bench down there that was put in as a result of the community. So the community are kind of

1660
02:28:00,630 --> 02:28:04,110
invested in this area, and I'm sure they will continue to support it.

1661
02:28:06,270 --> 02:28:12,090
It's been one of our busier seasons down there for a long time, and it was packed for summer,

1662
02:28:12,610 --> 02:28:17,510
for Gable Beach. It was great, and people were swimming in paddle boarding, and lots of people

1663
02:28:17,510 --> 02:28:23,550
down there with dogs, and so it's more the kind of the signage aspect as well that goes in there.

1664
02:28:23,550 --> 02:28:24,710
So that would be great.

1665
02:28:24,970 --> 02:28:25,050
Good.

1666
02:28:26,230 --> 02:28:26,290
Thank you.

1667
02:28:27,110 --> 02:28:28,130
Those in favour?

1668
02:28:29,190 --> 02:28:29,770
Opposed?

1669
02:28:29,970 --> 02:28:30,710
Motion carries.

1670
02:28:30,910 --> 02:28:31,310
Thank you.

1671
02:28:34,750 --> 02:28:36,650
And the second one.

1672
02:28:36,810 --> 02:28:39,030
The second norm is to do the same thing.

1673
02:28:39,390 --> 02:28:46,810
And this is to see whether the parks department and maybe the parks committee have any other areas

1674
02:28:46,810 --> 02:28:52,110
of our maintained or development park areas that could benefit the community by including

1675
02:28:52,110 --> 02:28:57,050
being included in the maintained areas of our parks and to come back to Council at

1676
02:28:57,050 --> 02:29:02,490
the budget time with any suggestions, there may be none, or there may be some, and then Council can make that decision.

1677
02:29:04,190 --> 02:29:04,830
Councilist Carr?

1678
02:29:06,730 --> 02:29:13,030
In this particular motion, I'd like to hear just a tad from staff because I do believe we have an inventory of road ins

1679
02:29:13,030 --> 02:29:21,690
and an inventory of various levels of parks, some of them on maintain some of the road in parks and stuff.

1680
02:29:21,690 --> 02:29:23,970
and do we not have an inventory, Matt?

1681
02:29:25,930 --> 02:29:27,250
We did have it one time.

1682
02:29:27,530 --> 02:29:27,650
Well,

1683
02:29:34,110 --> 02:29:35,550
don't say I have no idea.

1684
02:29:37,310 --> 02:29:38,830
You have to introduce yourself.

1685
02:29:39,330 --> 02:29:40,010
Thank you, Mr. Mayor,

1686
02:29:40,150 --> 02:29:42,210
Matt Vader, Director of Parks, Recreation and Culture.

1687
02:29:44,570 --> 02:29:46,750
I won't say you have no idea, Councillor Scarello,

1688
02:29:46,790 --> 02:29:48,330
that would be inappropriate.

1689
02:29:48,910 --> 02:29:51,810
I would say that you have a questionable remembrance

1690
02:29:51,810 --> 02:29:54,330
of what an inventory would be and what each one are.

1691
02:29:54,430 --> 02:29:57,090
So I would say that this is a fairly decent amount of work

1692
02:29:57,090 --> 02:29:59,550
to identify if we were looking at all of them.

1693
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:29,860
I would ask council for some direction on sort of types and understandings because a lot of our parks are in road ends. So if you look at something that's basically every thousand feet on waterfront, there's a lot of things that are unknown. So if we're requested to look at all inventory, would it could be? It's going to be a lot of work and it probably would be the 2023, 2024 budget time before we get to that point. There's some well known ones, obviously. So new ones, for an example, a crate, these are all undeveloped per se.

1694
02:30:29,860 --> 02:30:31,780
where they're not maintained,

1695
02:30:32,200 --> 02:30:34,580
Gapel Beach component of it would be fall under that.

1696
02:30:35,180 --> 02:30:36,360
So I think a little bit more direction

1697
02:30:36,360 --> 02:30:38,060
from the Councillor on the no-semotion

1698
02:30:38,060 --> 02:30:39,920
of sort of that scope of what it is

1699
02:30:39,920 --> 02:30:41,640
because I hesitate to put work

1700
02:30:42,240 --> 02:30:44,520
to bring something back that's sort of ambiguous right now

1701
02:30:44,520 --> 02:30:45,500
to do that one.

1702
02:30:47,240 --> 02:30:48,120
Councillor Aron.

1703
02:30:49,200 --> 02:30:49,640
Thanks, Maria.

1704
02:30:50,140 --> 02:30:51,520
I have a suggestion in that.

1705
02:30:52,440 --> 02:30:54,520
Maybe this become a little bit of a work

1706
02:30:55,040 --> 02:30:58,200
for the park committee to identify some areas

1707
02:30:58,200 --> 02:31:04,280
and to narrow that down. I mean, that's what the park committee exists for. So rather than,

1708
02:31:05,640 --> 02:31:11,500
yeah, I think that would be a good solution. To refer to the park committee, let them put some work

1709
02:31:11,500 --> 02:31:19,560
into, and that means me, um, into identifying those areas that could be improved rather than,

1710
02:31:20,080 --> 02:31:26,280
you know, let's take the whole thing because I would make that motion to defer to the park's committee

1711
02:31:26,280 --> 02:31:34,440
and we'd have to narrow some choices down for the next improved areas.

1712
02:31:35,420 --> 02:31:40,540
Just for one comment on that, I would think focusing on principles is probably the best way

1713
02:31:40,540 --> 02:31:44,740
to do this as Chancellor Reed has experienced with the conversations with the cars landing

1714
02:31:44,740 --> 02:31:45,740
rather than the outcomes.

1715
02:31:46,280 --> 02:31:47,220
What are people looking for?

1716
02:31:47,320 --> 02:31:48,480
Is it natural environment protection?

1717
02:31:48,680 --> 02:31:49,780
Is it access to water?

1718
02:31:50,040 --> 02:31:51,120
Is it sports fields?

1719
02:31:51,300 --> 02:31:52,220
Is it play fields?

1720
02:31:52,320 --> 02:31:52,900
Is it equipment?

1721
02:31:52,900 --> 02:32:06,220
like then we consider looking what are the appropriate things for those principles and make it a lot easier to sort of define that for the park committee as well because obviously they're not subject matter experts on all this and they're not you know inventory understanding of every piece of land we have.

1722
02:32:06,740 --> 02:32:11,420
So some guiding it down from council and some of those principles would be helpful with that discussion with the park committee.

1723
02:32:11,420 --> 02:32:21,060
Yeah, I was just going to add that at one time the regional district did mapping of all

1724
02:32:21,060 --> 02:32:34,600
of the rodents in at that time, Electoral Area A, OEM would and Kelmalka and not OEM

1725
02:32:34,600 --> 02:32:40,480
Malik, but Wood Lake, Kalanaka, and Okanagan Center, where there were road ends that, as

1726
02:32:40,480 --> 02:32:49,400
you say, every, there's a 1,000 feet, there's a 66 foot road right away, and they mapped

1727
02:32:49,400 --> 02:32:57,160
them, or they used folios to determine where they were, and Kalanland at the same time as,

1728
02:32:57,160 --> 02:33:05,880
was generated by the regional district at one time, whether it came to us after incorporation

1729
02:33:05,880 --> 02:33:06,240
or not.

1730
02:33:06,360 --> 02:33:06,800
I'm not sure.

1731
02:33:07,500 --> 02:33:11,560
So it's not about not knowing on an inventory basis, it's cataloging, and what.

1732
02:33:11,840 --> 02:33:17,900
So for an example, and, you know, the jewel, the Okanagan Oyama, on Trasgrode, there would

1733
02:33:17,900 --> 02:33:22,000
be three waterfront accesses just on Trasgrode, each of them with a different condition that

1734
02:33:22,000 --> 02:33:25,200
you'd have to deal with, and that's only, you know, a less than one kilometer stretch.

1735
02:33:25,200 --> 02:33:32,140
So it's not about not knowing it's by each individual one would have to be looked at on what could you actually do here what would be done here

1736
02:33:32,140 --> 02:33:33,660
You know we're talking riparian vegetation

1737
02:33:34,200 --> 02:33:41,920
Like it's a big analysis to not identify the inventory, but identify what should and could be done on that. Okay. Good councillor Reed

1738
02:33:42,940 --> 02:33:50,120
I complete the agreement with everything you've said and and and councillor Alain said I'm just kind of from the community in the

1739
02:33:50,120 --> 02:33:54,340
The car's landing, some of the comments that we've heard is providing neighbourhood parks

1740
02:33:54,340 --> 02:34:00,160
such a further, more centralised community, so like Terrace View was one thought, maybe

1741
02:34:00,160 --> 02:34:04,500
the use of RS Marshall Park was another one that had come up in conversation and then

1742
02:34:05,080 --> 02:34:13,220
finally was using the road end that attaches to Tabie Road End, kind of as a beachfront trail

1743
02:34:13,220 --> 02:34:13,980
kind of thing.

1744
02:34:14,140 --> 02:34:19,880
So that was kind of where we've heard from in the community in car's landing, but yeah.

1745
02:34:19,880 --> 02:34:24,280
Yeah, that's the only guidance I have from my section of the world.

1746
02:34:24,980 --> 02:34:31,480
Yeah, as I say before, if Council collectively or from yourself or from the, you know, the representative for the park committee come up with some principles of

1747
02:34:32,160 --> 02:34:40,220
generically across the district so we could treat everybody equivalently, not necessarily equal, but fairly on what those sort of elements are.

1748
02:34:40,340 --> 02:34:43,180
I think it would be beneficial for the park committee to look at that.

1749
02:34:43,500 --> 02:34:48,140
Okay, so how would be, would it best have a strategy session of that in the new year?

1750
02:34:48,140 --> 02:34:55,860
Um, I can give you some suggestions maybe on other elements we have in council either just through an email can confirm that they're comfortable with those

1751
02:34:57,100 --> 02:35:02,280
Components recognizing today is September 6th and this council for direction has limited

1752
02:35:04,500 --> 02:35:11,140
Like a better word. Yeah, so I can I can send around an email just based on some principles for confirmation. Thank you

1753
02:35:11,140 --> 02:35:14,600
In the any other council don't need to buy things

1754
02:35:15,180 --> 02:35:16,940
Instead of going around the table

1755
02:35:18,140 --> 02:35:25,060
Oh, yeah, refer to park, refer to park, those in favour, both motion carries.

1756
02:35:25,620 --> 02:35:25,880
All right.

1757
02:35:26,340 --> 02:35:27,100
I've got one more thing.

1758
02:35:27,340 --> 02:35:32,720
Just car lining community social on the 21st of September tickets are still available,

1759
02:35:33,080 --> 02:35:35,060
very kindly hosted by peak sellers.

1760
02:35:35,640 --> 02:35:39,300
It was great when we last did it in just before COVID.

1761
02:35:39,760 --> 02:35:42,360
So that's 21st of September.

1762
02:35:42,860 --> 02:35:47,480
Tickets are available if there's any councillors who wish to come along.

1763
02:35:47,480 --> 02:35:52,200
I'm sure we can sneak you in as well as $45 for non-members.

1764
02:35:55,320 --> 02:35:55,780
Yes.

1765
02:35:56,920 --> 02:36:04,640
I do have a small item here because we're close to the end of our term and I know that the next couple of meetings are going to be

1766
02:36:05,900 --> 02:36:10,720
accolades to a couple of our councillors and mayors who won't be here next year.

1767
02:36:10,720 --> 02:36:15,360
So, I wanted to just make a word or two about outside politicians.

1768
02:36:16,100 --> 02:36:18,240
Boy, a backster comes to my mind.

1769
02:36:18,980 --> 02:36:23,340
Ken Christian, who was born and raised in Lake Country and is the mayor of Camelops, comes to mind.

1770
02:36:24,060 --> 02:36:28,480
Both of these people are leaving, and they're leaving for the wrong reasons.

1771
02:36:29,820 --> 02:36:31,020
Both of them love their jobs.

1772
02:36:32,120 --> 02:36:38,700
Both of them are leaving because of the emails they've received and the threats that their families and their friends have received.

1773
02:36:38,700 --> 02:36:45,100
day. This is just wrong. This is wrong. And I want to tell the whole world that we'll

1774
02:36:45,100 --> 02:36:51,720
listen, that this is the wrong place to point your anger. And we're losing very good people

1775
02:36:52,500 --> 02:37:01,800
because of this. And there's no one there to replace them. If the job that we do includes

1776
02:37:01,800 --> 02:37:08,740
these threats which thankfully in Lake Country it doesn't at this point but if

1777
02:37:08,740 --> 02:37:13,920
it ever grows to that that's something I don't want to see and I would

1778
02:37:13,920 --> 02:37:19,080
refuse to be a part of. So I thank Moeabaxter I thank Ken Christian and I

1779
02:37:19,080 --> 02:37:25,700
thank all those other politicians local and provincial and federal that are

1780
02:37:25,700 --> 02:37:30,960
facing the same choices and making the same decisions. Thank you Moeabaxter for

1781
02:37:30,960 --> 02:37:39,040
your work. Thank you. All right, Councillor Reid, we did you and Councillor Ireland.

1782
02:37:40,500 --> 02:37:47,440
Yeah, I don't have much to say but to agree with my friend Bill over here, I mean more

1783
02:37:47,440 --> 02:37:53,880
of actors work tirelessly. tirelessly, tirelessly for many, many years for the school district

1784
02:37:53,880 --> 02:38:00,140
and she's done an amazing job. You know what, it's easy to sit there from your couch and

1785
02:38:00,140 --> 02:38:03,880
complain about her and complain about the work they do it's a lot harder to get

1786
02:38:03,880 --> 02:38:07,600
in there and do the work and she's done a fantastic job and she's certainly

1787
02:38:07,600 --> 02:38:12,300
I didn't know that but she certainly doesn't deserve that and neither does

1788
02:38:12,300 --> 02:38:15,820
anybody else who's trying to do the right thing for their community and I you know

1789
02:38:15,820 --> 02:38:18,920
I don't I think all of us have been reading horror stories across the country

1790
02:38:20,600 --> 02:38:26,620
and you know it's got to stop but there won't be anybody left because no one's

1791
02:38:26,620 --> 02:38:31,260
going to do that. If anybody thinks that we do this for the connections and the money

1792
02:38:31,260 --> 02:38:37,460
and those sort of things, they should come and look at our bank accounts. It's not

1793
02:38:37,460 --> 02:38:42,580
about that. It's about service to your community. If you want to drive away those people who

1794
02:38:42,580 --> 02:38:45,880
are doing their best for their communities, then you're going about it the right way.

1795
02:38:49,800 --> 02:38:55,080
It's incredibly sad that these things happen. I personally read some horrific things going

1796
02:38:55,080 --> 02:39:01,700
I'm not going to go back lately, you know, a woman running for office not elected, whose

1797
02:39:01,700 --> 02:39:06,140
eight months pregnant to somebody phone the police and said they'd find her dead body

1798
02:39:06,140 --> 02:39:10,980
outside on the street. And the police phoned her said, don't leave your house. And then

1799
02:39:10,980 --> 02:39:16,280
they phoned her workmates and told her she was dead in the street. And she was sitting there

1800
02:39:16,280 --> 02:39:20,780
eight months pregnant hiding in her bathroom shaking. And she's not elected.

1801
02:39:24,220 --> 02:39:24,860
It's beyond

1802
02:39:24,860 --> 02:39:29,130
disgusting. Just beyond it. All right.

1803
02:39:31,970 --> 02:39:35,610
This is you're scary not a lot of possible candidates.

1804
02:39:36,650 --> 02:39:47,330
Councillor McKenzie. Thank you Mr. Mayor and yeah I echo those thoughts obviously that's not

1805
02:39:47,330 --> 02:40:01,650
acceptable. So I have one announcement in in Ouyama that's happening on September. Oh yeah,

1806
02:40:01,750 --> 02:40:08,250
we forgot to announce the art walk. That is happening this Saturday.

1807
02:40:08,250 --> 02:40:15,690
Saturday, Saturn Sunday, what time does it start in the morning?

1808
02:40:17,030 --> 02:40:17,950
Do you remember?

1809
02:40:19,270 --> 02:40:19,750
It's at 10.

1810
02:40:20,210 --> 02:40:29,530
So just yeah, the art walk, it's our most well attended thing in the entire community.

1811
02:40:29,890 --> 02:40:33,050
So make sure you check it out.

1812
02:40:33,050 --> 02:40:43,290
Um, and as well, um, being that, uh, my wife is a cancer survivor for the last 11 years.

1813
02:40:43,490 --> 02:40:50,430
She has, uh, she's running her bike for the cure this 25th of September.

1814
02:40:50,770 --> 02:40:59,270
Um, it'll be going out of, uh, Gatsky's orchards, um, by pedagogy and going, um, bike around

1815
02:40:59,270 --> 02:41:08,710
the lake she has to date raised over $40,000 so she's done very well and she's looking for

1816
02:41:08,710 --> 02:41:18,490
anybody that wants to join it's at 10.30 the bike ride starts at 11 refreshments door prizes

1817
02:41:18,490 --> 02:41:25,050
there's actually live music and good music apparently apparently she's got some friends

1818
02:41:26,310 --> 02:41:33,450
and a silent auction so it is pretty good there so in any donations obviously are going to

1819
02:41:33,450 --> 02:41:42,750
the run for the cure but it's her bike for the cure so yeah I just want to make sure that is

1820
02:41:42,750 --> 02:41:53,170
September 25th. So every 25th, 1030 at Gatsby Orchard. Yes. The seeing that the

1821
02:41:53,170 --> 02:41:58,430
Mr. Mayor worked with my wife way back when at the college. I'm sure she would

1822
02:41:58,430 --> 02:42:03,270
love to see you show up for that. Make a guest appearance. I was supposed to be

1823
02:42:03,270 --> 02:42:09,730
there last year. But I won't miss it this year. So yeah. So I would appreciate any of

1824
02:42:09,730 --> 02:42:17,050
that. And as well, I'm just going to say with our beaches and stuff out in Oyama in the

1825
02:42:17,050 --> 02:42:19,810
jewel of the late country.

1826
02:42:22,130 --> 02:42:28,070
One thing that I have to say thanks again is Heather Irvine

1827
02:42:28,070 --> 02:42:32,650
going around and cleaning up. I've seen her again going through Oyama and up them washing.

1828
02:42:33,550 --> 02:42:38,950
You know, I like to clean up when I can when I'm walking my dog twice a day and I know a few people

1829
02:42:38,950 --> 02:42:46,210
do that and I just want to say thanks to them because it is that time of year where that garbage is

1830
02:42:47,930 --> 02:42:55,370
most the worst that we're going to see so hopefully more people continue to do that so

1831
02:42:55,970 --> 02:43:01,610
thanks to everybody who does their part. Thank you and Councillor Gable.

1832
02:43:02,050 --> 02:43:08,090
Thank you and I just want to mention the artwork as well. I didn't think anybody was going to mention it.

1833
02:43:08,950 --> 02:43:12,390
Of course, Saturday and Sunday in our community,

1834
02:43:12,390 --> 02:43:15,150
and that's always a great event for people.

1835
02:43:15,710 --> 02:43:17,510
And the other thing is don't forget

1836
02:43:17,510 --> 02:43:21,030
to be careful as you're driving through school zones.

1837
02:43:21,230 --> 02:43:23,590
The kids are back in school as of today.

1838
02:43:24,150 --> 02:43:25,350
You might have noticed it.

1839
02:43:25,410 --> 02:43:27,390
They was tremendous amount of traffic

1840
02:43:27,390 --> 02:43:28,410
out on the road today.

1841
02:43:29,690 --> 02:43:32,650
And just be careful as you're driving through those zones.

1842
02:43:33,170 --> 02:43:33,570
And that's it.

1843
02:43:33,810 --> 02:43:34,350
Good night, all.

1844
02:43:34,890 --> 02:43:35,930
Yeah, thank you.

1845
02:43:35,930 --> 02:43:38,710
And Councillor Cosa, are you still there?

1846
02:43:41,200 --> 02:43:45,400
Yeah, I really don't have anything tonight except for to thank everyone and I'm going

1847
02:43:45,400 --> 02:43:47,720
to be safe and see you all in the next few weeks.

1848
02:43:49,160 --> 02:43:49,660
All right,

1849
02:43:52,690 --> 02:43:54,270
we are adjourned.

1850
02:43:54,550 --> 02:43:55,110
Good night all.

1851
02:43:55,650 --> 02:43:56,470
Good night all.