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Hey, good morning everyone. Thanks for
coming to our Lake County Board of

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County Commissioners work session.
First item today's overview and

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discussion regarding transportation and
safety related issues on state highways

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in Lake County. The topics today
include, but are not limited to, Highway

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91 safety, Homestake Trout Club and
other private property access on Highway

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24, semi-truck deliveries in Grand View
West, and 2026 pavement and pothole

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repair schedule.
This is led by Josh Becker, our deputy

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county manager, staff, and Ced.
>> Hey, ready to kick things off. So, uh,

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this work session is a combination of a
a number of things that are all traffic,

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transportation, and safety related. Um,
we've had commissioner, um, level

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requests to discuss some issues. Um,
we've had some some citizen, um,

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outreach, you know, requests on certain
safety issues on on various county

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roads. So, we sort of packaged all of
this together into one discussion where

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we can focus on transportation and
safety throughout the county. Um, and

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yeah, this again, this is not limited
necessarily to the topics on hand. So

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whatever the commissioners would like to
discuss, we have folks on the room who

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can assist um from C do from our staff
as well as members of public to discuss

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specific issues. So we do recognize that
our C dot staff can only stay with us

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for a short time. So we're going to
start with the highway 91 topic and this

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stems from a request from Commissioner
Tharp about conversation we had at the

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COT update about a month ago now um to
discuss uh general um potential safety

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improvements for Highway 91.
starting point.

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» Yeah,
>> welcome back.

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» Hi.
>> Hi.

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» Glad to be here. This is my colleague
Mark Bunnel. Mark is kind of our lead

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safety guy in the office there. So
>> awesome.

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» So what can we do? How do we make
Highway 91 safer?

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» Actually, I drove
>> I live on mile marker 4 and I did have

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one suggestion. Uh is the S turn mile
marker 2. There's three homes there and

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I don't know if if we could use a guard
rail there because people get a big head

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of speed and then they hit that S turn
and that's where they lose it. And uh I

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know there's at least one person that
lives in one of those three homes that's

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really tired of having people come in at
100 miles an hour. So I don't know if

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you guys could think about doing a a
guardrail just in the S turn. So, one of

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the things we we talked about as kind of
an initial solution there would be to to

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place chevron signs. So, I don't think
we have those on that curve there right

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now. And so, that was probably that's
kind of an easier sort of quicker fix

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that we can do as opposed to guardrail,
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» I see.
>> It's a whole process. So, um I think

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» chevron.
>> So, chevrons are the signs. Yeah,

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exactly like that. They're you see them
on some curbs and so they're they're

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kind of square like this. They're black
and yellow and they have the a kind of

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schematic arrows in them.
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» reflector.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Reflectors. Absolutely. Mhm.

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» And so that was a thought there. Um we
could put them for both directions. Um

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so it' probably be a series of maybe
three or four signs, something like that

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that that might at least just draw some
more attention to the curve there cuz um

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you know, we we have looked at some of
the accident data right there and there

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have been a few cars that have gone off
there. Um, I wouldn't say the number was

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was huge, but there have been a few. So,
um, that's that's kind of what we're

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looking at at the at the moment.
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» What about um mile marker? It looked
like 11 and 12 get dinged a lot on the

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stats that were sent
and then between 6 and 12 and 8.

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» Those look like hot spots based on your
>> statistics. Are you able to put that in?

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or or what we sent or what was sent to
them.

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» We're trying to get on Wi-Fi here so we
can

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» Oh, yeah. So, do you see there's the
>> or or if you have or if you have the

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information that we sent, we can look it
in.

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» Yeah. Can we
>> pull that up?

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» Candace, can you just It's my computer.
>> Can we go to teams and pull up the stats

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from today's session?
I don't think they'll ever sent it to me

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from C dot.
>> You'll have to send them to the VOCC

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room in an email.
>> No, they're in the packet.

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» Are they?
>> They're in a folder that highway

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incident data 2026, 2025, and 2024
>> or who is that?

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» Oh, is that from Dan Dailyaly?
>> Yes.

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» Oh, sorry. That's from Dan.
>> Yeah. So, it's under the fire up. There

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you go.
>> Okay. Sorry. I was not sure what you

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wanted here.
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» Which one you want me to pull up?
>> That's what I was referring to. Sorry.

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Gotcha.
um any one of them. It's the same. It

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looks really similar.
>> Okay. Well, I mean, they're all just

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different years in it. I wanted the
specific.

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» Okay.
>> So, 6.5 to to 8 were showing up a lot.

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And then or mile marker 6.5 to 8 and
then mile marker 11 and 12 if you look

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at other years as well.
You want to pull up maybe another ear

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because this doesn't have that many.

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I can talk about those
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» So, at the county line, what happens is
um the winding blows the snow over the

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the bridge right there and it becomes
white out conditions. So, we have a lot

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of either head-on collisions or just
people not being able to see at all. And

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um we have a lot of accidents there.
the area just past climax that you're

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coming down the hill for whatever reason
that that roadway becomes a sheet of ice

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but over the years it has gotten better.
Uh I think that that's one of se dots is

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on your radar uh because we've had
multiple uh vehicle pileups right there.

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The other concern is where we've had a
lot of head-on collisions as well. And

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that's going down from uh it's right by
Chalk Creek right there where it's mile

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marker. Then you see the statistics
there. It's mile marker between seven

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and nine.
>> Mhm.

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» That's where it splits into the passing
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» That's correct.
>> Yeah. So many there.

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» One of you know you know that's a
problem. Maybe a solution on that one

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would be a guard rail because they go
over the edge right there and we've done

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over the edge rescues
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that that's a passing lane as well.
>> And so if it became a non-passing lane I

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don't know if people would
abide by that but at least it's a safety

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measure that might be able to put in
place. Um the other it was mentioned the

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actual mile marker six which is the
corner.

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» Uh I don't know if that one has
>> the signs that you talking about the

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chevron chevron signs but mile marker
six all another problem for us and then

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and then uh commissioner you brought it
up mall marker between two and three uh

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on those corners there. So those are our
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areas on Highway 91 that we respond the
most on whether it's non-injury or we're

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doing auto extrication or we're doing
over the edge or it's major injuries and

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deaths.
>> So at the in the 7 to9 area you said

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that there were there were issues with
people going off the road but also with

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head-ons at the same time there.
>> That's correct. We either we either have

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head-on collisions there or the accident
is so bad and vehicles end up over the

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edge.
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» And is that that's typically when it's
icy out?

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» It's when it's normally when it's icy.
>> But when it's non icy, we had vehicles

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go over the edge as well because of the
accident itself. We've had motorcycles

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go over the edge
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» Yeah.
used to be a problem area.

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We got a lot of people that are coming
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which creates an additional issue but
because they snowmobile up there

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during the summer that's a great area

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popular area on the hillside that's very
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going to the east

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corner just before you
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» I know three people directly who have
gone off that edge um just in in the

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time that I've been here. And I think
the excessive speeds right there are one

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of the biggest contributing factor since
that's a massive downhill and that's

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where people who have cars that aren't
even that fast. It's the only spot where

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they can pick up speed to make dangerous
passes when they're in a hurry. That's

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uh as someone who's made that commute
thousands of times over the last 28

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years, that is probably the scariest
spot for people driving dangerously

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that big hill.
>> Yeah, absolutely.

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» So, could it be pulled up on a map so we
can make sure on the exact curve that

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you're talking

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It's not cooperating.
That tells me it's connected.

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» Maybe Google maps it.
>> Mhm.

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Little mousy mouse. Here's

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Shot Creek.
>> Okay. Oh, so it's on the It's on the

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west side of
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like a massive embankment. So, you go
straight down off the highway here and

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then you go straight up
the hillside there.

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Right. That's what we're talking about.
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» And this is where it becomes a passing
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» That's where the climbing lane's at.
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» Right at the start of the climbing lane.
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» that's where people try and pass coming
downhill,

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» right?
>> It used to be a passing

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» It did. They closed it up
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which if you've lived here long enough,
you can just disregard that.

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Go on the old
>> Well, I I think I think I had a meeting

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very similar to this many years ago
where we decided to do that.

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» Yeah. I remember.
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» Well, and the state legislature just
passed a law that increased potential

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fines for crossing on a double yellow.
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» Right there. But this is so many head-on
collisions here, right?

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» That's correct.
>> So many. I mean, we all know people who

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have
been in significant life-changing

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accidents here.
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» And then I also think where is mile what
is this mile marker, Dan?

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» Six.
>> This is the This is nuts here. I'm

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astounded we don't have more, but I've
seen countless accidents of people

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coming
southbound and there's a there's a

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double or there's a do dashed yellow
here and they try to make the pass going

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up this way before this turn.
>> That's correct.

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» And people here come off the road to try
to avoid a head-on collision. So, and no

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matter what the time of year is, you see
that dry, you see that wet. Is that

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» Can you screen share? Sorry.
>> Sorry, Andy.

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» No, it's okay. I just want to I want to
be able to know what you're you're

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pointing out over there.
>> I'm talking about this area here. The

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big the big curve.
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down the straightaway.
>> Oh, yeah. There's always cars in the

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ditch there. It always cares right here
because they're avoiding a head-on

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collision from people passing going
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» Does anyone get the feeling that that is
an emergency like oh no because of

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people pulling in and out of high
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» I've seen people I have been a witness
to accidents here where it was a

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head-on. They were avoiding a head-on
personally,

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» but that's just anecdotal. Is there
signage at the base of that area that

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says that there is a passing lane
coming? Because I think part of that is

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people are trying to pass, not maybe not
necessarily knowing that there's, you

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know, a two-lane climbing lane a mile up
the road. So,

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» no, everybody knows. This is like locals
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» These are local.
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» local indie car drivers. But I guess
with the I mean what do you think that

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would do any mitigation is if we had a
like passing lane ahead sign you know

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people can pull off the gas for for a
mile and then wait till that climbing

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lane comes. So, we are looking at doing
that um kind of actually as the whole

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region goes and we're starting with
Highway 40 because there's a lot of

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passing lanes up there and but we're
going to migrate that down here. But I

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would probably agree that it's probably
mostly locals that that know that.

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» Yep.
>> They're just comfortable and so they're

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doing what they think they can do.
>> It's our commuters. Like it's so many of

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us just know it really well. Mhm.
>> To just clarify, you're talking about

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like the signs that say next passing
lane 2 miles.

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» Yeah. You know, thousand feet or
whatever and you see them on other

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highways. I'm just curious. I don't
recall if there's one up there. But

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» I I'm going to guess not, but I'm not
100% sure.

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» Cuz people could be trying to make that
pass because they know it's very short,

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you know, passing zone, not realizing
>> trying to get a jump on it.

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» Exactly. Well, the passing lane isn't
until Chalk Creek mile marker 11.

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» Seven.
>> Oh, it's seven. Okay. Okay.

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» Sweet. So, that wouldn't be more than a
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» Mile or so.
>> I'm just saying if it said like it was

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four miles, that would make you want to
do it more.

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» Sure.
>> I'm not waiting four minutes to pass

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this person.
>> I have a second question. And uh I'm not

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I know this is super contentious, but
what's your guys' experience with

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cameras and speeding tickets? I know
flock is a huge issue, but

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» maybe you want to speak to that a little
bit.

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» So there is the ability to put speed
cameras pretty much anywhere on on state

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highways now due to the legislation that
came into effect actually August 1st

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» and some previous legislation. But um we
have three areas in the region where we

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have photo enforcement and they're all
three in towns. We have them in

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Glennwood, we have them in
Vale, we have them in

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have them in Basalt pretty soon here.
>> There might be a third one. But um

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» were those real contentious? Did you
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or is that your
>> Well, so the local community, the local

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sheriff's led those efforts. So, it's
it's kind of one where C do DOT's not

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really pushing it or we're kind of
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So, if if you wanted to do that, um,
basically what would happen is we would

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work with the sheriff. They would put
together basically an application and

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that would would go through us and also
state patrol to be signed off on and

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then that system would be out there. So,
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it would be a little bit unusual. I
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kind of areas. Um, not that it couldn't
be done out here. It's a possibility as

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long as there was things like power and
communications and some of that kind of

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stuff on the technical side.
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any place that there's a lot of
speeding, they they can be put up. Part

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of the justification in the application
is citing by how many citations you've

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given, what kind of speeds people are
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for some actual data like that. Um,
>> but if all that is, you know,

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substantiates the need for cameras, then
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» I can imagine that being real
contentious. And I could also imagine if

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there was a sign that said, "Hey,
there's there's a camera coming up,

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every single person would slow down."
>> Yeah. I don't know. I'm just saying that

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» that's a can of worms for you. Like some
some retail spots have like a you're

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smile you're on camera and then it's a
fake camera,

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» but it's still a deterrent.
>> Mhm. Is that allowed?

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» It wouldn't be effective.
The word would get out.

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» A quick question on that. Would it
require a camera for each direction?

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Like one for the people heading towards
Leadville and one for people drive. Not

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that people will be speeding as much
uphill, but it is still pretty wild

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watching people make three wide passes
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that require two two cameras or does one
camera check both uh all traffic

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» there? There's there would be a separate
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For one thing, they want to try to get
uh license plates on both ends. So, it's

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both cameras doing enforcement for both
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» And so, so I I haven't really dug too
much into how some of the communities

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have done this, but my understanding is
that they essentially hire a vendor to

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come out and design and install the
system and then the vendor is paid

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through some of the revenue that's
generated. And it generally works out to

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be sort of a revenueish
neutralish to the community. So, it's

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really not something that that that
makes money or costs money. It's it's

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typically something neutral
>> and that's generally born, like I say,

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by a third party.
>> Okay.

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» So, um if you start if you want to think
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anywhere, um just know that that's kind
of usually how those deals work.

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» Wow, that's contentious. I know people
are cutting them down.

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» Yeah. Well, and and to separate that
issue out, Flock is reading license

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plates going into a database.
While this is also reading license

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plates, they're they're separate
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» Oh, I see.
>> That's you know, Flock is a nationwide

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thing, nationwide database. These speed
cameras are the one location and they're

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not being paired with other things
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» And and these cameras don't even take a
picture of the driver because the driver

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is irrelevant,
>> right? So that those are all subtleties

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to the cameras out there on the side of
the road that probably most people may

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not even believe exist.
>> No, I'm familiar with it because I got a

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ticket, but my daughter was in Denver.
She crossed into the the HOV lane.

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» Okay. Just crossed in and crossed back
out. That cost me 100 bucks.

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» Thanks. Some people pay it.
>> So reiterating and making this crystal

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clear for anyone who watches this later
on recording or whatevers. Traffic

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cameras are not flock cameras. This is
correct, right?

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» That's correct.
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» It's important to make the distinction
though when we're signing a contract

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applying for it.
>> Yes.

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» So going back to another thing you
mentioned is, you know, there is a

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requirement to inform drivers that
camera speed enforcement ahead.

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» Yeah. because it's it's intended to be a
safety mechanism to get people to slow

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down. It is not to catch people and find
them and and generate revenue. So there

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are advanced signs that are required as
part of the deal.

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» I mean I hate to be the one that history
will look back on and say, "Oh yeah,

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Bullock wanted flock cameras and then
but we could change the highway all day

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long. It's really about changing
people's behavior and people aren't

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gonna
they're just not going to change their

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behavior unless there's some teeth. So,
>> well, wait. Do you want plot cameras?

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» Well, they're not plot cameras. They're
traffic cameras.

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» I feel like you've made a distinction
has been made. Don't worry.

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» I don't know. I'm not saying I want it.
Hope I'm making that clear. I don't not

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saying I want it, but seems like an
important part of the

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» You know, you know how like um Oh, I'm
sorry, Matt. Go ahead.

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» I think it would work. I think it's a
solution that could be explored.

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» Go ahead, Andy.
>> Um, other deterrents that I think are

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statistically proven to work are just
the sign that has the little blue and

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red flashing lights on it when you're
going too fast and how those like sub

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just those lights on the on the sign
subconsciously affect people to the

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level where they are it's shown that
they will slow down. Um, I don't know if

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that's something. It's sort of like that
um uh officer Manny Quinn down in Twin

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Lakes.
>> Do we have any old old uh cop cars

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laying around that we can just post up
there and see if that makes a difference

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in the meantime?
>> I I would think that works once and then

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the locals
>> say, "Oh, that's just for the tourists.

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>> doesn't apply to locals."

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» I don't know, man. I still slow way down
when I get into Twin Lakes. Anytime I

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see that car sitting there, I know it's
empty. I know there's nothing in there,

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but I still slow way down. It just
reminds you like, "Oh, yeah, that's

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right.
>> This is a spot."

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» I didn't know there was an actual name
for the officer. I know the officer.

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That's
>> well respected in the community.

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» So, okay, let's get this process
straight. In order to Let's use the

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cameras.
In order to get the cameras installed,

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we would have to go work with our
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to fill out an application to see DOT.
>> Correct.

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» Okay. And then that in that application,
we have to provide statistics

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and based on the statistics that um Dan
Dailyaly has provided us with, what what

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more do we need than this kind of
>> so so the main thing is is speed

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statistics. And so,
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» so in my and I I'm speaking a little bit
out of tone. I'm not 100% because I

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haven't gone through the process. I've
just reviewed what I've seen, but um

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there's a requirement for a speed study.
>> And so what that entails is it is

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entails either going out there with
radar guns or some type of speed

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detecting device and showing that X
percentage of of drivers are exceeding

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the speed limit by a certain amount. So
you can draw then some conclusions

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between okay we've got it signed at 65
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80% of the people are going 10 miles an
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So there's conclusions like that that
have to be drawn. I believe the vendors

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provide those speed studies as part of
their services but I'm not 100% sure on

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that. So most of the information most of
the data is is directly speed related

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rather than accident related.
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» if that makes sense. Yeah,
>> it does. It does and it doesn't. So,

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what is our avenue to create any
enforcement or like signage

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when it comes to accidents?
Like an accident doesn't have to be

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speed related,
>> right?

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» It can be just reckless driving related.
So, how do we get any of the signage

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we've talked about or any of the traffic
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So
>> like the sign like the chevrons, how do

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we get those?
>> Um so so even for chevrons uh we we have

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um standards that we look at basically
say you know you should experience x

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number of accidents related to these
signs over a certain time period and if

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those thresholds are met with some a
little bit of discretion in there then

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we can we can place those signs up. So
that is that is little more than a

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request to us to say hey can you take a
look at this

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» we if you have in incident data that you
can provide that's helpful um because

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the accident data that we use in our
database is doesn't include incidents it

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only includes something where an officer
was on scene and and filled out a report

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there. So it doesn't include counter
reports or some of the other kind of

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things that go out there. So our our
data is not necessarily totally

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complete, but it's also very clean if
you understand the sort of boundaries of

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what it's for.
>> So So we can audit these locations

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ourselves. I was hoping we might be able
to do it right here in front of you, but

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we're struggling with this.
>> Sorry.

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» Do you want to email us anything?
>> Um,

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» we can I can't even connect. Yeah.
>> Otherwise, I would patch into our crash

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database and be
>> pulling this what we're seeing on our

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» kind of what we'd hoped, but
>> sorry.

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» That's all right.
>> Do you have an HDMI? You could maybe you

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could just plug you in.
>> Actually, I don't know if we could

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maintain the zoom
>> to go to that level at this point. So,

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» I mean, you sent us an email just as as
a formal request. Please look at these

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curves for us,
>> okay? and we'll take it from there,

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which then means that
um if we get to that point, then CEO

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just installs them.
>> Okay.

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» Yeah. So, that's for signs like chevron
signs. Um if there was

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other types of warning signs out there
that that seemed appropriate like an

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intersection ahead sign or I don't
whatever. Okay.

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» Um the passing line or passing signs,
those kinds of things. Um other signs

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like the radar feedback signs like um he
was saying online there um that you know

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show your speed and things like that.
Those signs are not necessarily

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something that seed dot would provide.
Those would be something that we would

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ask you guys to permit and then put up
out there. Um

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» sorry for the radar.
>> For the radar no for the radar feedback

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signs. So he was saying the signs that
you know they say speed limit 55 your

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speed is whatever they have flashing
lights and then they have you know they

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say slow down or they flash or whatever.
>> Yeah.

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» So we
>> those would be signs the seat would not

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provide but we would allow those if if
they made sense in a certain area.

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» Okay.
>> Like you've probably seen the ones in

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turn. Some intern got permission got a
permit from Ced to install that and then

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they essentially own and maintain that
device on the highway.

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» Okay.
>> What are those called?

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» Radar feedback.
>> Radar feedback

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» or speed feedback signs.
>> We have one going into town.

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» We have several.
>> I was going to say don't I think you

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have one on the south end, right?
>> Yeah.

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» And Twin Lakes. Twin Lakes
>> and coming into town

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» that way
>> where it goes from 35 to 25

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» on 24 out by Mountain East and West
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» The one coming in from Escandido is
out,000

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to fix it.
>> Oh, not right now.

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» That's a good one though. That's
>> also we were told that can't flash.

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» Yeah,
>> that's correct. Yeah.

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» Okay. There's strict requirements in the
national regulations on signage that

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» they have to follow
>> at least on the highway.

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» Technically, I can't do it in the county
either.

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» We're not going to patrol the county.
That's your on state highways. Yeah.

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» Can I ask can I ask a question about the
um uh the speed studies?

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» Yeah.
Um, how how do you get those to

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um reflect accurately like how fast
people are going? Like is it like is

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there someone out there with a a a radar
gun or is it on a tripod right there?

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Because you know, like from a from a
driver's perspective, when you see

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something like that set up, you're
you're going to slow down.

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» Yeah. So, there's there's two ways that
it's done. Um, the the original way is

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somebody would go out there with a radar
gun in a non-conspicuous looking car and

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try to just find a place where they can
pull off on the side of the road and

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sort of blend in and they would take the
counts. Now, what we've been doing for

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most of our studies recently is we have
these devices that we go out there and

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we just band them to a signpost and we
leave them for a week

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» and we come back and get the data. So,
they blend right in. Um, you can't

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hardly tell that they're there if you're
not looking.

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» They're accurate. And so, that's kind of
the way we've been doing it lately.

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» Great. Thank you.
>> How many of those can we do

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» at a time?
many as we have.

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» I'm just wondering to like be able to
like kind of heat map the speeds of

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Highway 91,
not knowing where the speed is,

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» right?
>> Is contributing

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to the crash that might be later on.
Just wondering.

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» So, so what we do if we're going to do
like a corridor like this is we would

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take a look at it and go, okay, where do
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» Okay. So, as we near, for instance, a
curve that we know is rated at a lower

416
00:30:42,799 --> 00:30:49,760
speed than the speed limit, we might put
one right there. Um, you know, so I

417
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:53,600
mean, there's there's there's kind of a
kind of an art to where you would place

418
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:57,279
them. Um, but that's one of the nice
things about not having to have people

419
00:30:54,960 --> 00:31:01,520
out there with guns is you can put three
of them up and just come back and and

420
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:04,960
you have all the information. So,
>> it's like a wildlife camera.

421
00:31:03,520 --> 00:31:10,760
» Yeah, it's kind of like that.
>> Okay.

422
00:31:06,159 --> 00:31:10,760
How do we how do we ask for that?

423
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:16,000
» Well, go ahead.
>> Well, so that's that's something that

424
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:19,440
you would do on your own.
>> Oh, we do it.

425
00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:24,320
» Are you talking about for speed cameras
or for just in general

426
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:28,799
» in general to study the speeds, not for
cameras, but just to understand

427
00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:32,000
» just to understand what the speed of
>> Yeah. So that because it's lots of

428
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:38,960
contributing factors to such a
complicated roadway, right? and to such

429
00:31:36,159 --> 00:31:42,320
varied accidents in different places.
Just how do we ask for that to compile

430
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:45,760
the whole picture?
>> So everything that's out there is a

431
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:50,919
compilation of past efforts that have
done exactly all of this.

432
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:50,919
» Yeah. And so

433
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:58,399
unless something has drastically
changed, we would have to we would want

434
00:31:56,080 --> 00:32:02,240
to really identify why we would go take
another look at it or in what areas we

435
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:06,880
would take a look because of because of
some change like what is different now

436
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:09,440
than when we did the last speed study.
And I don't know when the last speed

437
00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,080
study was done,
>> right?

438
00:32:09,760 --> 00:32:18,320
» Um it might have been several years. Um
it's possible. Um, I will tell you from

439
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:21,760
experience that, um, you know, when we
when we have sign when we have speed

440
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:25,760
limits out there that have been out
there for years and years and we go back

441
00:32:23,440 --> 00:32:30,720
and take a look at them, very rarely do
they ever change unless there is

442
00:32:27,679 --> 00:32:34,080
something like I'm saying like a a big
intersection that's gone in because of a

443
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:39,360
development or something's being
realigned in the highway or something

444
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:44,120
pretty drastic usually. Otherwise, it's
unlikely that it's going to really

445
00:32:40,799 --> 00:32:44,120
change any.

446
00:32:45,679 --> 00:32:51,760
to to your point about doing I mean
you're talking about looking at the

447
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:55,679
entire corridor and where are the
speeding problems is that what you're

448
00:32:54,559 --> 00:33:01,039
trying to identify.
>> I think that the the outcome that we're

449
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:08,640
seeing is really
fatal or drastic accidents

450
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:15,120
» and if not then like near misses almost
every time you go over. So, high

451
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:19,200
exposure to those fatal accidents.
So,

452
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:23,120
so how do we look at all of the
potential

453
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:28,320
causes to find the root cause that we
need to tweak to actually change that

454
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:33,919
outcome? And if there's a different way
to do it, great. But I'm just I'm just

455
00:33:32,559 --> 00:33:35,679
wondering like yes, I know that a lot of
work has been done to make it the way it

456
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:39,919
is,
>> but we're still seeing incredibly

457
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:46,000
dangerous driving there.
So, so what is the next step by looking

458
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:50,000
at the hole and not being like, well,
you know, state patrol does this and see

459
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:53,600
that does that. How do we as
commissioners get enough information to

460
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:57,360
look at the hole so we can ask the right
person to change the thing that needs to

461
00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:02,080
be changed? Does that
>> make sense of what I'm asking?

462
00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:05,279
» Yeah. So, so there's
>> two components. One, we've got the

463
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:09,119
physical highway and two, we've got
driver behavior,

464
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:12,399
» right? And
I would say there's nothing out there

465
00:34:10,800 --> 00:34:16,240
inherently
wrong or dangerous about the highway,

466
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:21,119
but it's how the drivers interact with
that that then can become a problem. So

467
00:34:18,879 --> 00:34:24,720
» we've speeding is one of those driver
behaviors

468
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:29,520
» that the state legislature has given the
tool to do speed enforcement canvas

469
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:35,919
» that you can do that. And so there's a
part of if you were to map the corridor,

470
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:40,079
you know, where people are speeding the
most prevalent and then target that with

471
00:34:37,679 --> 00:34:45,200
cameras. Then you got the other aspect
of where are people

472
00:34:42,879 --> 00:34:49,599
making poor choices in their driver
behavior that are then also contributing

473
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:52,639
to crashes and how do you specifically
target

474
00:34:50,879 --> 00:34:54,720
» that? Yes.
>> Yes.

475
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:58,640
» Okay.
>> There's there's those three things.

476
00:34:57,359 --> 00:35:01,920
You've got the driver behavior of
speeding, driver behavior of other risky

477
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:05,119
maneuvers,
>> and then how does the highway interact

478
00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:08,480
with those two things,
>> right?

479
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:12,480
» And so I think it's a matter of, you
know, looking at the crash data, the

480
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:17,119
experience of those that are seeing it,
responding it, and what could be done to

481
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:21,680
address that behavior.
>> And then you target the speed cameras

482
00:35:20,079 --> 00:35:25,599
where it makes the most sense. If you
can target

483
00:35:23,359 --> 00:35:28,480
a handful of locations, will that bring
the speed down elsewhere?

484
00:35:27,599 --> 00:35:29,440
» Right.
>> Don't know,

485
00:35:29,119 --> 00:35:33,920
» right?
>> Or is it that you know that the whole

486
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:36,960
thought about speed bumps when you play
speed bumps, people slow down to go over

487
00:35:35,599 --> 00:35:38,560
the bump and what do they do between the
next bump?

488
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,520
» They go faster.
>> They go faster. So if they see the

489
00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:43,520
camera, are they going to speed up
between that the next one?

490
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:47,520
» Right?
>> Don't know if that's the case.

491
00:35:45,359 --> 00:35:50,880
» We haven't had enough data to know on
that yet. But

492
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:52,960
» those are those are the three areas that
I think you're talking about focusing

493
00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:55,520
on. Yes.
>> Just to separate that.

494
00:35:54,640 --> 00:36:00,560
» Thank you.
>> So this would be a thing where the

495
00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:04,880
county
comes up with this effort to study and

496
00:36:03,119 --> 00:36:08,960
figure out where the speeding problems
are occurring, where are those behaviors

497
00:36:06,560 --> 00:36:14,079
occurring? And then we work together to
see what SE do on the highway and what

498
00:36:11,359 --> 00:36:19,359
can you do on the behavior side
>> from the county's perspective. And then

499
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:21,280
what can state patrol do to to work on
that behavior also?

500
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:27,200
» Okay.
>> Does anyone know offhand like the

501
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:31,680
regulations around sign placement for
speed cameras? Not flock cameras, speed

502
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:38,640
cameras.
How how like if you could put the signs

503
00:36:34,720 --> 00:36:43,200
3 miles, 6 miles, whatever out, that
would contribute to people slowing down

504
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:47,359
ahead of time and you get maybe get more
bang for your buck out of something like

505
00:36:44,960 --> 00:36:52,640
that. Does anyone know how far out you
can put signs for that?

506
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:59,040
» It's a good question.
>> Yeah, I'm not 100% sure what the

507
00:36:55,040 --> 00:37:04,160
distances are. I I know that there are
there are specified distances in where

508
00:37:02,240 --> 00:37:08,000
the the warning signs has to be because
I think I think there has to be two of

509
00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:11,440
them. Um I think they have to be
explicit. I think they have to you know

510
00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:19,040
there's already a layout of what the
sign has to look like. Um I want to say

511
00:37:15,599 --> 00:37:23,760
that the distance in front of the
cameras is more like a quarter mile.

512
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:27,119
it's pretty close and it depends on the
speed limit that's out there as to how

513
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:30,400
far you would put it,
>> right?

514
00:37:27,599 --> 00:37:33,839
» Um, so those are all kind of part of the
applications and stuff. So I I can't

515
00:37:32,240 --> 00:37:41,760
necessarily tell you off the top of my
head, but um I mean the the corridors I

516
00:37:37,359 --> 00:37:45,599
I believe can be fairly long. Um, you
know, I know the one that they have on

517
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:49,680
93 in Denver, I think it's for several
miles. Um, even though a lot of the ones

518
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:53,680
that we have in the region currently are
are very short. They're usually like

519
00:37:51,599 --> 00:37:56,160
quarter mile, but they're downtown kind
of things. So,

520
00:37:54,720 --> 00:38:00,320
» okay.
>> Um, it'd be breaking a little bit of new

521
00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:03,040
territory for, you know, a rural
application like this, but it's within

522
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:08,280
the realm.
>> We're pioneers up here.

523
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,280
» Yeah.

524
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:17,280
» Okay. So, regardless to in order to find
out where there are high speeds, we need

525
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:21,040
to do a speed study.
And

526
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:26,000
who we ask to do that is dependent on
whether we're going to put cameras up.

527
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:31,680
» Probably it's an option to go through
one of those vendors. Um there are other

528
00:38:29,599 --> 00:38:36,000
traffic consultants out there that have
the equipments and can put up the units

529
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:39,520
and measure it for you.
>> Okay. what what he was talking about,

530
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:45,200
you know, they're they're nicknamed a
sidefire radar because it's a it's set

531
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:50,240
to the side of the highway, fires the
radar, and then collects the data. And

532
00:38:48,240 --> 00:38:55,040
there's a lot of folks in the Denver
area that have those that can compile

533
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:59,359
the data,
collect and compile.

534
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:05,200
» Okay.
And then in order to create the

535
00:39:01,359 --> 00:39:11,760
information about the
risky behavior, the drive responsible

536
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:18,240
driving behaviors, that's where we would
work with our sheriff to determine like

537
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:23,119
where these risky behaviors and
accidents are happening or how do we

538
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:26,960
come when you split it up into three.
There was the speed, there was the risky

539
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:28,880
driving behavior, and then there's how
the highway interacts with all of those

540
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:31,119
things,
>> right?

541
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:35,920
» So, how do we compile the information
for

542
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:41,680
» So, it's a combination of the the crash
data that SE do has access to in

543
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:45,359
conjunction with the other,
>> you know, incidents that aren't

544
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:49,680
reported, but you know, that the locals
know about.

545
00:39:47,119 --> 00:39:54,880
You know, you talk the near misses
>> is is the category that, you know, how

546
00:39:52,640 --> 00:40:00,000
close was it to a crash, but it was a
risky maneuver, risky behavior, and so

547
00:39:57,599 --> 00:40:05,200
being able to compile that information
with the crash crash data to see what

548
00:40:03,359 --> 00:40:09,200
could be done. So, it's
>> okay,

549
00:40:06,079 --> 00:40:12,800
» COT, County Sheriff, State Patrol
getting together and saying, "These are

550
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:17,599
the locations that we're seeing it.
We're checking the crash data and and

551
00:40:15,359 --> 00:40:23,119
putting that together. One of the things
to understand is there's, you know, we

552
00:40:20,240 --> 00:40:27,760
cover the entire region
for seed dots here. We have so many

553
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:32,640
areas like this that unless there's
initiative on the county side.

554
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:36,079
» We're not going to come in and do this
unless it's, you know, rises to the

555
00:40:34,480 --> 00:40:40,800
level within our crash data because we
have so many areas that are up there. So

556
00:40:39,359 --> 00:40:46,240
if you're taking the initiative and
bringing seed like you have today and

557
00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:49,280
you bring safe patrol together then more
is going to more likely

558
00:40:48,720 --> 00:40:55,440
get done.
>> That's what I thought. Awesome.

559
00:40:52,560 --> 00:41:01,200
Sweet. Um just a second Pete just uh had
one more question. So when it comes to

560
00:40:58,319 --> 00:41:05,440
like near misses, should we be asking
the public to call in near misses?

561
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:09,480
Because otherwise how are we how would
anyone collect that data?

562
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:14,240
Except anecdotally from county
commissioners

563
00:41:12,560 --> 00:41:19,599
» survey
>> survey. Yeah. Like have you seen how

564
00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:25,119
people have compiled that data
in the past

565
00:41:22,079 --> 00:41:30,400
» in in my work in this industry the term
near miss and focusing on it has only

566
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:34,079
been in the last few years.
So

567
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:38,400
» okay
>> survey those types of things would be a

568
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:42,560
new frontier I would say. I think you
mentioned pioneering for this area and

569
00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:46,480
so it is an option to collect that
information to where are you seeing the

570
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:53,280
issues out there where you seeing the
near misses put that on a map we overlay

571
00:41:50,319 --> 00:41:58,319
that with the crash data you know
there's some aspect of our people

572
00:41:55,680 --> 00:42:03,839
exaggerating so we have to understand
what they're telling us and how reliable

573
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:08,400
is it and and what do we actually do
with that information is correct

574
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:15,280
» some of the near I guess stuff that I
talk about is when we have issues with

575
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:20,800
people running red lights, we will set
up cameras through a vendor will set up

576
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:25,440
cameras for us and collect 24 hours
worth of video and then they're putting

577
00:42:23,040 --> 00:42:29,599
hard numbers to those near misses.
>> People run red lights, how close were

578
00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:33,280
the cars, you know, within feet or
within milliseconds, that kind of stuff

579
00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:38,079
to to an actual
>> near miss. this out on a rural county

580
00:42:36,400 --> 00:42:40,960
section on a state highway with the
higher speeds,

581
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:46,160
» you know, we would not be able to put
those cameras up

582
00:42:43,359 --> 00:42:49,760
» to make any meaningful data out of that
kind of a near study.

583
00:42:48,079 --> 00:42:54,319
» Okay.
But maybe we could like if we had enough

584
00:42:52,400 --> 00:42:57,520
information from our community about
where they're experiencing new new

585
00:42:55,680 --> 00:43:02,079
misses and we put a camera up
>> and we do find something,

586
00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:05,040
wouldn't that be
>> could there be meaningful data from

587
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:09,040
that?
>> Yes. I'm just saying that over a

588
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:11,359
corridor of however many miles
>> trying to target the right spot,

589
00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:15,599
» right,
>> to to video near misses

590
00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:19,520
» to actually catch one. where that's why
he says we usually use do that kind of

591
00:43:17,359 --> 00:43:22,800
stuff in intersection because I mean
constantly all day there's near conflict

592
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,720
so
>> that's kind of the

593
00:43:24,319 --> 00:43:30,240
» the main
>> the main use

594
00:43:26,720 --> 00:43:36,960
we did a high use crosswalk adjacent to
a ski area

595
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:41,760
» uh for like 36 hours had over 300
potential near misses with pedestrians

596
00:43:39,280 --> 00:43:46,560
and when we say near miss that means it
wasn't like they were about to get hit

597
00:43:43,119 --> 00:43:46,560
but they were within the parameters

598
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:56,000
or they didn't
like you

599
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:59,520
on a county road, you know, like
>> Mhm.

600
00:43:56,400 --> 00:44:02,800
» say highway in the county is it may not
be beneficial and these are pretty

601
00:44:01,599 --> 00:44:05,520
pricey stuff. These are the typical
intersection for 24 hours is about 10

602
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,280
grand.
>> Okay.

603
00:44:06,079 --> 00:44:13,839
» Wow,
>> cool. So going the route of asking you

604
00:44:11,520 --> 00:44:19,119
doing some sort of a survey to target
those areas where people seeing it and

605
00:44:16,960 --> 00:44:24,319
then that gives us a location or
locations a few locations to then focus

606
00:44:21,920 --> 00:44:30,079
our efforts and look at that might be
much better.

607
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:33,200
» We can do that. I'm thinking a big map
with pins

608
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:36,319
» sticky notes.
>> Yeah. And anybody who comes into the

609
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:39,599
courthouse can put a pin where they've
had near messes.

610
00:44:38,240 --> 00:44:41,839
» Just spitball it.
>> That's cool.

611
00:44:40,079 --> 00:44:46,000
» Pioneering.
>> Can Can you set up an online map?

612
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:50,079
» Could we do that
>> that people can go to a website, drop a

613
00:44:49,040 --> 00:44:56,319
pin,
>> and the explanation of

614
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:59,520
what what they saw, what they
experienced.

615
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:06,160
» I love this.
>> Let's go. Let's make the highway safer.

616
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:08,880
Okay. I hear there's multi-steps. I hear
that it's multi- like

617
00:45:08,319 --> 00:45:16,960
» there is
>> agencies. So, so I I think a a good next

618
00:45:12,319 --> 00:45:22,800
step for us is um you know, like I said,
I apologize we can't pull up the data we

619
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:29,680
sent you, but um we will take a look at
the data that we have in this area and I

620
00:45:25,599 --> 00:45:35,920
think we can do kind of a highle study
like we do in other areas and and

621
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:39,760
identify hotspots, potential mitigations
kind of from our perspective. And if

622
00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:44,160
there's some information that you guys
can gain, whether it's from the near

623
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:48,400
miss near miss stuff or or speed
information or whatever, you know, I

624
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:52,560
think we can come together after that
and kind of maybe see where we land and

625
00:45:50,640 --> 00:45:54,880
maybe start to prioritize or look
deeper.

626
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:58,240
» That'd be great.
>> I also hear loud and clear that if you

627
00:45:56,640 --> 00:46:02,400
change if you potentially change a
behavior in one area, you might be

628
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:06,480
pushing
behavior to a different area and making

629
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:11,440
it more risky. Totally hear that. So,
I'm just want to say I'm not being

630
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:15,920
overly enthusiastic about changing the
highway. I'm being overly enthusiastic

631
00:46:13,359 --> 00:46:19,760
about collecting information
to be preventative and not make things

632
00:46:18,240 --> 00:46:20,880
worse.
>> Yeah.

633
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:27,839
» Okay.
>> So, I mean along those lines, just

634
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:32,800
you talked about guardrail on an S
curve. Well, could we target the

635
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:36,160
behavior such that that guardrail is not
needed,

636
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:38,079
» right? the chevrons versus the
guardrail. Right.

637
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:41,040
» Right.
>> Yeah.

638
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:46,000
» Yes. And so,
you know, when I look at the crash data

639
00:46:43,359 --> 00:46:50,720
and it's like, if we could eliminate no
drinking and driving, people wearing

640
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:51,599
seat belts, how many fatal crashes would
go down,

641
00:46:51,280 --> 00:46:55,599
» right?
>> And that's not a highway thing. That's a

642
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:59,920
behavior thing.
>> Totally.

643
00:46:56,800 --> 00:47:04,480
» There's so many behaviors that could be
targeted that will have way more impact

644
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:08,400
than what we do on visible.
>> Yeah,

645
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:14,000
» I think Highway 91 would need like an
alarm clock program then because

646
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:21,839
» everyone's in a hurry to get to where
they left 10 minutes too late to go.

647
00:47:17,839 --> 00:47:26,160
» I was thinking the same thing, Andy.
>> You got to swing by the liquor store,

648
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:29,160
the weed store before you jump on that
highway.

649
00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:37,200
» I didn't follow it, Matt. I'm sorry. I
know. I just didn't follow.

650
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:40,560
» Would it be helpful if we shared with
the two of you the um the data from

651
00:47:39,839 --> 00:47:41,680
Chief Daily?
>> Absolutely.

652
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:47,000
» About the incident.
>> Sure. Absolutely.

653
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:47,000
» Maybe some other emails.

654
00:47:48,079 --> 00:47:54,400
» Absolutely.
Well, from y'all's perspective, what

655
00:47:52,480 --> 00:48:01,280
questions should we be asking or like
where do you think that we could be

656
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:06,960
targeting more of our efforts to change
driver behavior

657
00:48:04,160 --> 00:48:10,440
as opposed to just working with C dot
and state troopers?

658
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:17,119
» That's a tough question. That's
something that we don't do a whole lot.

659
00:48:15,520 --> 00:48:22,880
No, I'm just saying from your from your
experience and your p your position.

660
00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:27,760
» I I think any kind of of seasonal
campaigns are very helpful. Um, you

661
00:48:25,520 --> 00:48:33,200
know, we see that in some of the the
other areas where um,

662
00:48:31,839 --> 00:48:37,680
you know, they're just trying to get
messages out there on when snow, you

663
00:48:36,319 --> 00:48:43,359
know, early when early in the winter
time when seasons change. um you see

664
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:46,880
things out there um when you know
there's going to be trick-or-treaters or

665
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:52,480
events or things like that. Any kind of
local campaigns on what your safety

666
00:48:50,319 --> 00:48:57,280
folks are seeing or are expecting to
see. I think that's helpful. I know

667
00:48:55,040 --> 00:49:00,720
that's those are not always easy things
to do, but sometimes there's little

668
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:04,480
things that can be done, but I think
promoting any of that kind of stuff at a

669
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:09,280
local level is helpful.
>> Great.

670
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:13,839
» Um you mentioned travel time. Yeah.
>> Where are most people coming from,

671
00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:18,640
commuting from, and then sitting down
and calculating, you know, what's the

672
00:49:16,319 --> 00:49:24,800
difference in 10 miles hour of a speed
limit versus going the speed limit?

673
00:49:21,839 --> 00:49:30,400
» And then, you know, is that extra is
that saved 5 minutes worth the risk

674
00:49:27,839 --> 00:49:34,319
» of a lifetime of, you know, someone
dying or,

675
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:38,720
you know, injuries that you're dealing
with over a over a lifetime.

676
00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:42,160
» Yeah, that's a great idea.
do the math for them.

677
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:46,640
» Yeah. And you know there's campaigns out
there, but if you target it specific to

678
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:52,880
the drivers that you know are on 91, as
you've mentioned, the commuters that

679
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:56,480
left 10 minutes late, well, is trying to
make up that 10 minutes worth the risk

680
00:49:55,200 --> 00:50:01,119
of what could occur?
>> Yeah.

681
00:49:57,599 --> 00:50:05,440
» And putting those messages out. I mean,
you know, C do DOT works with state

682
00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:11,680
patrol and we target the whole state,
but if you can target specific to the

683
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:14,920
folks to and from this area, it'll be
more meaningful.

684
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:20,160
» Pete D, you did you want to say
something?

685
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:26,559
» I I did. Um, this is Pete. He's an
exparte member of board

686
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:30,800
» from the community, representing the
community. Um,

687
00:50:29,119 --> 00:50:35,599
one thing that hasn't been discussed is
is active enforcement and maybe there's

688
00:50:33,040 --> 00:50:42,720
a reason for that. Um, you know, what
about tickets issued? Um, you know, by

689
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:48,880
by officers on the on the road, you
know, where they were issued, what the

690
00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:53,119
speed limit was uh exceeded by, um,
tickets that were issued for passing in

691
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:58,559
a no passing zone. It seems like you
know that's information that if there is

692
00:50:57,040 --> 00:51:03,520
enforcement
um should be should be available and

693
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:08,000
should should be you know part of the
part of the data set and I don't I don't

694
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:12,640
know what you know there must be
statistics on how many tickets have been

695
00:51:09,760 --> 00:51:19,440
issued you know on highway 91 in Lake
County for the you know per year and and

696
00:51:16,079 --> 00:51:22,559
then the the backup for that. You all
get that from the state troopers or just

697
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:25,280
crashes?
>> We don't get that information though.

698
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:29,200
» You don't get the tickets.
>> State patrol would have that information

699
00:51:27,200 --> 00:51:32,800
though. I'm sure your sheriff has a
contact there. I think they would

700
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:35,280
provide that.
>> Yeah, we need to get lots of data from

701
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:38,000
Heath.
>> He couldn't make it today. He really

702
00:51:36,720 --> 00:51:42,000
wanted to, but
>> we don't see much state patrol activity

703
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:46,640
really.
>> And you know, Keith could be out there a

704
00:51:44,240 --> 00:51:51,200
little more too in my opinion. That
would that would help solve a lot if

705
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:55,359
like a cameras stationary camera is one
thing once the word gets out like

706
00:51:53,200 --> 00:51:59,839
» look I got a ticket looks like I'm on
marker four then the word gets out

707
00:51:57,040 --> 00:52:03,440
whereas a sheriff's deputy could be
anywhere

708
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:10,079
and the word would get out too like hey
I got a DUI on the way from work so

709
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:16,079
that's a good point Pete one other
comment um you know there was discussion

710
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:20,880
about how you know the where the passing
and no passing lanes, you know, where

711
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:24,319
they are have changed over over time.
You know, it' be good to I'm sure there

712
00:52:22,400 --> 00:52:28,319
was good reason for changing it whenever
it was changed last time, you know, but

713
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:32,720
maybe that could be re re-evaluated
because I think one of the issues other

714
00:52:30,079 --> 00:52:37,760
than speeding are people trying to pass
slow trucks, multiple slow trucks at a

715
00:52:35,119 --> 00:52:43,920
time. If there were if there were more
no more more passing lanes, legal

716
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:48,640
passing lanes, then those might be, you
know, used preferentially to the to the

717
00:52:46,319 --> 00:52:52,800
illegal passing lanes. So So it seems
like that data ought to be available.

718
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:56,319
You know, what's been changed over the
years in terms of where the passing and

719
00:52:54,559 --> 00:52:59,319
the passing zones are.
>> Yeah.

720
00:53:02,319 --> 00:53:07,880
Okay.
Thanks Pet.

721
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:16,079
» Should we move on to Highway 24?
>> We should discuss it.

722
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:21,119
» Yeah, absolutely. There's a couple
issues on Highway 24 and um for our CEO

723
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:24,079
friends, it would be helpful to have you
here, but understand if your schedule

724
00:53:22,800 --> 00:53:25,920
requires you to step out.
>> Oh, we can stick around for a while

725
00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:33,680
longer.
>> Great. Great. Um so the next issue um to

726
00:53:30,640 --> 00:53:37,599
discuss from 91 to 24 uh is related to
some um some citizen concerns raised I

727
00:53:36,000 --> 00:53:42,400
think to a couple commissioners as well
as through public works u related to

728
00:53:39,760 --> 00:53:45,200
access into the home state trout club.
Uh so we just wanted to give a little

729
00:53:43,839 --> 00:53:48,640
bit of background. I think this issue
has has come up several times over the

730
00:53:47,119 --> 00:53:53,760
years. Michael has some background on
it. Um just related to you know what is

731
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:58,319
the county road? what is possible at
that particular intersection given the

732
00:53:55,920 --> 00:54:02,720
the narrow entrance um which is
challenging for emergency vehicles as

733
00:54:00,559 --> 00:54:07,599
well as larger truck deliveries and
things but the limitations that exist

734
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:10,160
related to the cattle guard etc. So, I
hope you don't mind. I'll hand that one

735
00:54:08,880 --> 00:54:13,800
to you.
>> Pull it up on mapure.

736
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:21,720
» Let's over here.

737
00:54:29,040 --> 00:54:36,800
This friend is a cow guard right there.
>> So, this doesn't actually show where the

738
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:45,440
C dot rideway do rightway. outside of
that. Um, that whole Gard is actually

739
00:54:40,319 --> 00:54:51,200
according to our property map is inside
the way. So, that was a gate to a ranch

740
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:56,240
at one time.
Um, I'm not sure when the county took

741
00:54:53,520 --> 00:55:01,119
over county by 21, but it only goes
through the ranch to private property.

742
00:54:59,040 --> 00:55:08,680
Now, the private
property owner owns both sides of that

743
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:08,680
on to the highway. Um

744
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:22,319
it is narrow across the cattle guard. Um
there is coming down from the north side

745
00:55:19,359 --> 00:55:26,480
which is 24. That's actually the west
side.

746
00:55:24,640 --> 00:55:31,599
Um off the Tennessee Pass there's a
corner just before it gets to this

747
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:33,680
intersection
right up there. You can leave the

748
00:55:33,040 --> 00:55:36,079
highway.
>> Okay.

749
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:44,000
Sorry.
Catch up.

750
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:49,599
Okay. Oops. You done?
>> That was really cool.

751
00:55:46,720 --> 00:55:54,040
Elastic.
>> Oh my goodness. Where is the curve?

752
00:55:55,040 --> 00:56:02,480
» You talking about this curve?
>> Yeah. That looks really gradual on the

753
00:55:59,760 --> 00:56:08,000
map, but in in reality, that feels a lot
sharper and blinder of a curve than it

754
00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:11,280
looks like right there.
>> Michael, which curve you talking about?

755
00:56:09,599 --> 00:56:15,920
» Um, yeah, it's coming down from that
way, but it's closer to the

756
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:17,680
» this one. This big curve.
>> Yeah, right there.

757
00:56:17,280 --> 00:56:21,119
» Okay.
>> It's really It doesn't look like it. You

758
00:56:19,839 --> 00:56:25,839
don't have sight until you get around
that corner.

759
00:56:23,599 --> 00:56:30,880
Um, which kind of the problem with
traffic, you know, visibility.

760
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:37,359
In my opinion, we need to This is
actually a pretty big project to just

761
00:56:32,720 --> 00:56:37,359
change out a co change out of Calgary.

762
00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:43,280
Um, for the county, we'd probably have
to get an online GPR because it's going

763
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:51,119
to be really expensive
to probably put in a del lane and an XL

764
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:55,839
lane out of that driveway or county road
onto Highway 24.

765
00:56:53,599 --> 00:57:02,240
Um, I know there's problems with traffic
turning into county, road 21 coming from

766
00:56:58,880 --> 00:57:07,119
the south or the east. um because you
stop in the lane, you have to wait for

767
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:10,640
traffic to go by before you can turn.
Um you know, those are just some of the

768
00:57:08,799 --> 00:57:17,440
things that I've looked at out there
that were to change this, it would take

769
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:24,480
a pretty big C do project to do that
C do involved project even if it's going

770
00:57:19,839 --> 00:57:32,240
to the permits and everything.
>> Is is there a way like I know ideally we

771
00:57:27,520 --> 00:57:37,119
could have the excel del lanes Um, and
you know, do this in a way that every it

772
00:57:34,559 --> 00:57:41,119
checks all the boxes, but like a lot of
things in local government, um, we were

773
00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:46,319
just touching on this this morning.
Sometimes seeking perfection means

774
00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:51,200
nothing ever gets done. And I know one
of the big issues these folks out here

775
00:57:48,240 --> 00:57:55,760
have is that if there's a fire, if
there's a medical emergency, if there's

776
00:57:53,040 --> 00:58:01,760
a a big truck delivery, they just can't
get in there easily. It's such a narrow

777
00:57:58,160 --> 00:58:05,040
entrance. So, uh, in the meantime, while
we're waiting for, you know, how to

778
00:58:03,599 --> 00:58:11,960
figure out how to do these bigger
projects, why why exactly can't we just

779
00:58:08,319 --> 00:58:11,960
widen the entrance?

780
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:23,920
» Well, the thing is is it's not a
permitted CO entrance as it is. Um,

781
00:58:20,559 --> 00:58:27,839
» I because I've checked this without just
right away people. Um, it was never

782
00:58:26,160 --> 00:58:33,280
permitted. It wasn't a county run when
it was first put in. It was a driveway

783
00:58:30,480 --> 00:58:39,280
to a ranch. Um the county took it over
to make sure I believe to get people to

784
00:58:35,599 --> 00:58:44,119
the M state club cuz it ends at their
first property line. Um,

785
00:58:44,880 --> 00:58:50,880
» so you know, I don't know that's why it
would all have access would have to be

786
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:55,119
permitted, which you know, kicks in a
whole bunch of C dot stuff right

787
00:58:53,280 --> 00:59:00,000
» away from it.
>> Yeah. My name is Sean Sprag. I'm with

788
00:58:57,440 --> 00:59:05,040
the Home State job board. I'm the vice
president of the board out there. Uh,

789
00:59:02,240 --> 00:59:10,480
this has been a ongoing problem for six
years now. We approached the county. uh

790
00:59:08,559 --> 00:59:16,319
when I was building my house out there
during COVID uh and we approached the

791
00:59:14,799 --> 00:59:20,960
county because I we had to get
inspections to make sure that a fire

792
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:26,160
truck could get to my house in order to
get permits. Um we have recently put

793
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:31,599
almost a million dollars into the trial
club and fire mitigation. We're trying

794
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:37,440
to become the first uh association in
Lake County to be firewise. So we've got

795
00:59:34,799 --> 00:59:43,680
grants from the state. We've also done a
ton of work ourselves. Um, and we've met

796
00:59:40,319 --> 00:59:50,240
with Dan's team here to improve the
roads, the bridges. Um, all the coverts

797
00:59:47,119 --> 00:59:55,680
have been extended to over 20 ft wide.
Um, and we're trying to meet the class

798
00:59:52,640 --> 01:00:00,400
one classification for a fire truck to
go in there. And this simply doesn't.

799
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:07,040
That's 13 ft wide. the dip in the
middle, which is extremely dangerous, um

800
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:12,720
is over the uh restrictions for a class
one truck to go over that. It dips

801
01:00:08,960 --> 01:00:17,839
almost almost a foot, foot and a half.
Um and so in order for us to really

802
01:00:15,760 --> 01:00:22,240
achieve that, you know, you guys have
dealt with this fire situation. We've

803
01:00:20,000 --> 01:00:26,880
this is not just reactive to willow
fire. This is something that's been

804
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:30,400
ongoing for the last 3 to four years.
This fire mitigation that we're trying

805
01:00:28,319 --> 01:00:36,559
to achieve, we have homeowners that
can't uh even get insurance out there.

806
01:00:33,200 --> 01:00:42,720
So, um, we were proposing just a simple
gate widening, which, uh, I've reached

807
01:00:40,799 --> 01:00:47,440
out, we've reached out as a team, I
guess I should say, uh, other board

808
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:53,119
members have reached out to the state to
get clarification on the issue that he's

809
01:00:49,440 --> 01:00:57,920
speaking to, um, about what would need
if we just did a simple gate

810
01:00:54,960 --> 01:01:02,000
replacement. Um, so the simple gate
replacement was not going to trigger any

811
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:05,040
of the warnings. I have emails from that
and that was over 5 years ago that we

812
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:10,400
had that.
>> We also had uh what I would call bad

813
01:01:07,440 --> 01:01:16,000
faith from the county of told not to
speak about this issue which we are very

814
01:01:13,119 --> 01:01:20,079
aware of. Um
and and so we had to reach out for

815
01:01:18,079 --> 01:01:25,520
council on this. So we reached out
council. All we're simply looking for

816
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:32,559
from home stakes perspective maybe when
the you know we our understanding is

817
01:01:28,160 --> 01:01:36,960
that that we are an existing uh
homeowners association and unless we you

818
01:01:35,359 --> 01:01:42,000
were putting in a new homeowners
association you would need those turn

819
01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:46,160
lanes and that kind of upgrade but
because we're not we're an existing

820
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:51,680
homeowners association and I have emails
to show that I've got clarification on

821
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:56,480
this that all we simply we need to do is
widen the gate. 20 ft wide is what we're

822
01:01:53,760 --> 01:02:01,119
looking for. A newer gate. They put a
newer gate across the highway that

823
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:05,040
doesn't serve anybody. Uh new cattle
grade that doesn't serve anyone that

824
01:02:02,720 --> 01:02:11,040
goes to horse horse stable. So that was
kind of questioning that happened after

825
01:02:07,920 --> 01:02:16,720
we asked for this to get done. Um but
yeah, if we had that map of close call

826
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:23,040
incidents, it would be a daily mark on
this. It's a very dangerous turnout. In

827
01:02:20,160 --> 01:02:28,640
fact, uh there's a depth just right up
the street that there was people speed

828
01:02:25,280 --> 01:02:33,760
on that section 55. Guarantee you it's
70 as an average through there. So,

829
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:39,040
we're just simply asking that the county
do in good work in good faith with this

830
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:43,680
since it's been a six-year process uh
that we get the gate widened

831
01:02:41,359 --> 01:02:48,160
immediately. We we've asked for it for
six years. It's been put off. It's we've

832
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:53,760
been slow played pretty big and it's
we're not lot lot of lot of smart people

833
01:02:51,839 --> 01:02:57,599
working here. I I run a metro district.
I know how the process works. We're

834
01:02:55,359 --> 01:03:01,440
hoping we can at least get this on the
budget for this year coming into the

835
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:07,200
summer. It probably wasn't budgeted for
it anytime or going forward. I'm sure

836
01:03:04,720 --> 01:03:11,920
it's not budgeted now. So, we're just
looking to see if we can get on a

837
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:17,440
budget, at least get the gate replaced.
And then as the people in Trout Club are

838
01:03:15,200 --> 01:03:21,920
becoming yearly,
just a quick background, to buy a house,

839
01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:27,839
she she's a real estate agent, she knows
to buy a house, you have to pay cash.

840
01:03:24,400 --> 01:03:34,079
So, to simply buy six, you know, there's
little Kevin in there, too. But simply

841
01:03:30,079 --> 01:03:38,319
by $500,000 c cash uh offer for a house
there. You know, you can tell what kind

842
01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:42,160
of clientele we're starting to get out
there. We do have a lot of people that

843
01:03:39,839 --> 01:03:46,720
have got their cabins hand-me-down, but
that's now changing. We got year round

844
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:53,680
access. Got people that come up during
the ski season. Um so yeah, I mean we

845
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:58,640
really really I think the gate could go
away. We'd be happy with that. There's

846
01:03:56,079 --> 01:04:05,280
no we don't have horses or cattle. I
know Colorado is a uh fence. What is it?

847
01:04:01,039 --> 01:04:08,480
A fence out state, which is odd, but um
>> Sean, can I ask you? I don't see a gate.

848
01:04:07,680 --> 01:04:11,440
» No gate.
>> Well, you keep saying gate. No, you

849
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:14,799
gate.
>> Great. I should say guard. Yeah.

850
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:17,599
» So, there's no real reason to have the
cattle guard there.

851
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:22,799
» No, we So, you can see there's a fence
to the south, which is the left of that

852
01:04:19,839 --> 01:04:27,359
picture. if there were ever going to be
any kind of horses or anything, that

853
01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:32,720
property, the property to the north,
which is to the right, has never been

854
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:38,319
used uh for for grazing or any purposes
like that. So, truly, I think that the

855
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:43,039
the point where the you know, you don't
really need one there and our our

856
01:04:40,799 --> 01:04:47,200
homeowners really don't want one. So,
it's really difficult to pull in because

857
01:04:45,680 --> 01:04:51,440
you kind of have to pull in at you're
almost scared to pull in at a slow

858
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:56,559
speed. So, you kind of have to pull in
and then there's no apron there. It's

859
01:04:53,280 --> 01:05:03,440
all uh gravel. You can see the damage in
the lower left there. Um from the gravel

860
01:05:00,880 --> 01:05:07,680
meets the Yeah. If you bring your mouse
to the left a little more. Sorry.

861
01:05:05,680 --> 01:05:12,720
» Yeah. Right there. Yeah. Yeah. That's
created because there's no apron. Um so

862
01:05:10,319 --> 01:05:18,240
maintenance is probably an issue with
that for the highway department um at

863
01:05:15,680 --> 01:05:24,160
some point. It doesn't bother anybody
right now. But um but yeah, I mean I I

864
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:29,760
just think right now we'd love to see
the gate disappear or or at least get to

865
01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:35,760
where we can safely get a truck in and
out and during any kind of emergency

866
01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:41,839
have better access. That's our concerns.
>> So couple questions for

867
01:05:38,640 --> 01:05:46,240
» those involved here. So heard earlier
this is a county road.

868
01:05:43,599 --> 01:05:49,200
» Yeah, it's county road 21.
Yeah.

869
01:05:46,799 --> 01:05:53,119
» Okay. So, county has jurisdiction over
the access, but we've got private

870
01:05:51,359 --> 01:05:59,520
homeowners farther back as an
association. When when was that

871
01:05:56,480 --> 01:06:04,559
group? When was the development put in?
>> 1934.

872
01:06:01,920 --> 01:06:10,079
So, long time ago. Long time.
>> Okay.

873
01:06:06,079 --> 01:06:16,799
So there's some issues on grandfathering
accesses in I mean 1979 was the year

874
01:06:13,839 --> 01:06:20,400
that the highway access law was put into
place. Anything at that point is

875
01:06:18,240 --> 01:06:25,680
grandfathered in. But then there's also
a provision that is as traffic increases

876
01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:30,799
over time then the provisions of the
code will kick in.

877
01:06:28,559 --> 01:06:36,480
But as a as a county road, you could
apply for a C dot highway access permit

878
01:06:34,000 --> 01:06:40,720
and go in there and do the widening that
you needed to. And part of that permit

879
01:06:38,960 --> 01:06:45,520
would say
depending on what the traffic volume

880
01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:51,520
show, but it may show that left turn
del, right turn del, you know, all of

881
01:06:48,079 --> 01:06:57,680
those auxiliary lanes would be up for
for looking at whether they're required

882
01:06:53,359 --> 01:07:01,280
or not for per for the law. But at a
minimum, you could come in first step,

883
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:07,520
just widen the access, do what you need
to do, and then budget for the larger

884
01:07:03,920 --> 01:07:13,039
project to come in and do the turn lanes
at another point. We would seed dot

885
01:07:10,640 --> 01:07:18,720
would prefer that this is not on CO
rightway and that cattle guard should be

886
01:07:15,599 --> 01:07:22,319
moved if it stays or if it's taken out.
>> Removed. Yeah.

887
01:07:19,440 --> 01:07:27,920
» Yeah. But if it something needs to say
that would be part of the permit is you

888
01:07:24,559 --> 01:07:31,839
move it off of the seed dot rideway so
that it's farther back.

889
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:37,599
» So one of the things with with access
permitting is

890
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:40,400
let's just say that by the book this
location warrants a couple turn lanes.

891
01:07:39,839 --> 01:07:44,160
Okay.
>> Mhm.

892
01:07:40,799 --> 01:07:48,400
» Doesn't have them. So
you don't necessarily have to go to that

893
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:52,480
extent to do anything if you're just
doing a betterment.

894
01:07:50,880 --> 01:07:56,559
It doesn't necessarily have to meet
every standard by the book that we would

895
01:07:54,640 --> 01:08:00,640
like to see there because it's still
better than what you got.

896
01:07:58,079 --> 01:08:05,760
» So we do have the ability to permit
betterments like what you're talking

897
01:08:02,880 --> 01:08:11,039
about um pretty simply.
>> Right.

898
01:08:07,440 --> 01:08:18,080
One clarifying point on that, that works
for a public road. If it's a private

899
01:08:14,160 --> 01:08:22,799
access, that's not the case.
>> The just to reiterate this, I'll say it

900
01:08:20,799 --> 01:08:28,679
twice. For a public road, you have the
option to do things in increments as a

901
01:08:25,679 --> 01:08:28,679
better.

902
01:08:30,400 --> 01:08:38,480
And just to be clear, why don't we can
just take the cattle guard out,

903
01:08:36,880 --> 01:08:43,000
» right? There's no
>> Yeah, I guess they're saying I can take

904
01:08:39,839 --> 01:08:43,000
it out.

905
01:08:43,440 --> 01:08:50,480
» I mean, I think I think our board has
really felt like this issue has been

906
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:58,799
kind of put aside by the county for
quite some time. Um, we brought it up to

907
01:08:54,080 --> 01:09:05,279
previous commissioners. Um, and I coach
volleyball. I've been here for a long

908
01:09:00,319 --> 01:09:09,920
time, 30 31 years now. Um, and I've
actually had some conversations with

909
01:09:07,040 --> 01:09:15,120
those previous commissioners um, about
this. So, we I have some insight as to

910
01:09:13,279 --> 01:09:19,520
how this kind of went down and was
ignored purposely. It was just kind of

911
01:09:17,440 --> 01:09:25,040
painful and hurtful that, you know, I
know my wife pulls out of there every

912
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:31,120
day. So, you know, I I think um just
moving forward would be nice that it's

913
01:09:27,679 --> 01:09:35,600
acknowledged. This meeting's amazing. Um
that it's acknowledged and it's on the

914
01:09:32,799 --> 01:09:40,880
radar and it's something that we look to
improve. Um yeah, I I really I mean our

915
01:09:39,520 --> 01:09:48,319
board would love to just see it
disappear. It would be uh I think

916
01:09:44,799 --> 01:09:53,920
honestly cost just to pull it out, put
in gravel um is a very low cost to get

917
01:09:52,159 --> 01:09:55,840
something done like that. So
>> how many

918
01:09:54,719 --> 01:09:59,920
» I would agree.
>> How many homes are up there?

919
01:09:57,280 --> 01:10:04,080
» 70. We have 72 cabins
>> and some are seasonal or

920
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:07,840
» um yeah, there it's starting to increase
getting a lot more year round. In fact,

921
01:10:06,159 --> 01:10:12,480
I I would say seasonal, but they're
using it both winter and summer now. uh

922
01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:16,480
because we used to not plow all the
roads back there, but now we plow

923
01:10:14,000 --> 01:10:23,760
everything uh with the road improvements
that we've made. So, um there's probably

924
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:30,000
only 20 residents, give or take, uh now
that are permanent year round. Um but I

925
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:35,440
I would say the majority of them are are
using it in the winter now just for the

926
01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:39,440
ski cabin effect kind of thing.
>> Well, Sean, we'd really like to do the

927
01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:41,920
work at this point. Yeah,
>> that would be great.

928
01:10:40,320 --> 01:10:48,480
» It seems like a really reasonable
request. So, we'll we'll

929
01:10:45,280 --> 01:10:51,120
try and make it happen. Maybe next next
year. I know this year is tight with the

930
01:10:50,640 --> 01:10:54,320
fire.
>> I lost the summer time already.

931
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:57,840
» Yeah, I'm sure.
>> I I understand. I run a metro district.

932
01:10:56,320 --> 01:11:02,000
I understand how all works. You got a
budget for it, so I'm not expecting this

933
01:10:59,840 --> 01:11:06,800
to happen in this budget year. I don't
know how your guys's budgets are set up,

934
01:11:04,159 --> 01:11:09,760
but uh but I would hope that we would
look to maybe get that on future plans

935
01:11:09,280 --> 01:11:14,560
for sure.
>> We do try and avoid oneoff expenses, but

936
01:11:12,880 --> 01:11:17,760
» just to make a point, we have done a lot
of work on this. Okay.

937
01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:21,280
» Yeah. A lot. We have changed all the
culvers out on it.

938
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:25,679
» Yeah. um at the main crossing there.
This one was unproposed for one of our

939
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:30,719
new bridges,
>> but we only had a chance for five and so

940
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:33,040
this one was the last one to drop, but
that's why we changed to put only covers

941
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:34,960
in there.
>> Yeah.

942
01:11:33,520 --> 01:11:38,800
» So, that was one of the first ones we
did in that that

943
01:11:36,480 --> 01:11:42,400
» system of the river flowing down the
valley.

944
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:51,040
» Make sure it would all flow pretty good.
>> Um the beavers like it up there.

945
01:11:46,239 --> 01:11:55,760
» Yeah. Um there's a couple beaver dams on
um Tennessee Creek that are getting

946
01:11:53,520 --> 01:12:01,040
really close to the highway right away
or the highway surface.

947
01:11:59,440 --> 01:12:06,080
» Can I ask a clarifying question just
longer term about future of the road

948
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:11,520
itself? Is there so if I'm understanding
correctly it only provides access to

949
01:12:09,120 --> 01:12:15,520
home state. Is there any benefit to
homestake or benefit to the county that

950
01:12:13,360 --> 01:12:20,400
this would this road itself would be
conveyed to homestake?

951
01:12:18,159 --> 01:12:25,760
» I think that was mentioned for sure. Uh
we've had several discussions about it.

952
01:12:22,800 --> 01:12:35,120
Um I think especially after they've done
the um the improvements to the to the

953
01:12:30,719 --> 01:12:40,960
river there access. Um yeah, I mean it
it has to get permission from you guys

954
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:44,480
to go that direction, but uh and we
would have the means. No problem. We

955
01:12:42,239 --> 01:12:49,440
have the heavy equipment and we have we
have a really amazing caretaker who

956
01:12:46,159 --> 01:12:54,239
would love to pull that gate out. So um
but yeah, that I think that comes down

957
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:59,840
to you guys giving us access or
permission to be a full private road. So

958
01:12:58,320 --> 01:13:05,120
» Michael, on your side of things, like
what is that like? It's about a mile of

959
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:08,960
road that we maintain. So, we want to
maintain it. Lastly, we do go all the

960
01:13:07,040 --> 01:13:12,560
way to the clubhouse because we have to
turn around and get out where the

961
01:13:10,960 --> 01:13:18,080
properties start where the property
start before the county road actually

962
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:20,080
ends. Um, there's no place to turn
around there.

963
01:13:19,440 --> 01:13:24,719
» Yeah.
>> Well, that sounds like a solution

964
01:13:22,719 --> 01:13:28,960
or possible solution. Is there any
drawbacks that we lose any funding or

965
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:33,199
does it cost more to maintain than
>> Well, the the betterment permit will

966
01:13:30,800 --> 01:13:37,040
only work for a public road, which I
think is something we might lean on to

967
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:40,239
get the widening done,
>> right?

968
01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:42,000
» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

969
01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:46,000
» Good catch, Andy.
>> I mean, it could be problematic for any

970
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:49,760
future development is is the only thing
out there,

971
01:13:46,800 --> 01:13:53,679
» right? I mean, you could convey it in
such a manner that I think you could

972
01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:57,280
preserve that with, you know, preserving
easements and so forth for the county,

973
01:13:55,360 --> 01:14:02,480
but but that's the one thing you'd want
to think about is the future.

974
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:07,840
» Is it something that the county could
maintain ownership and delegate

975
01:14:06,400 --> 01:14:11,640
maintenance?
>> We could probably use

976
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:18,159
Well, Sean, we're going to follow up
with this and we really I'd really like

977
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:21,520
to see it. It seems like simple. It
seems overly complicated and simple at

978
01:14:20,480 --> 01:14:26,800
the same time.
>> Thank you.

979
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:29,520
» So, uh, sorry it took so long.
>> Yeah.

980
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:33,199
» Jeez, we'll keep following up. I know
this has been on Andy's radar for a long

981
01:14:31,760 --> 01:14:37,360
time. So
>> yeah,

982
01:14:35,280 --> 01:14:40,719
» I think that my impression Andy's
brought it up a few times to us and my

983
01:14:39,199 --> 01:14:46,480
impression has been trying to figure out
who is responsible for what has been the

984
01:14:42,960 --> 01:14:51,600
biggest lift for us as new BOCC and all
of our new staff. So now that we're

985
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:54,719
here, happy to move on it.
>> Yeah,

986
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:57,440
» it's clear now. Sometimes it's hard to
understand what the past and all that

987
01:14:56,560 --> 01:15:04,080
stuff, but
>> it's great to now have some clarity and

988
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:06,800
know that it's got to be on the list.
>> I'm also really sorry for how you've

989
01:15:05,360 --> 01:15:11,440
been treated that you've been working on
this for so long and have felt so

990
01:15:08,640 --> 01:15:14,400
discouraged. It's not how you I'm really
sorry about that.

991
01:15:12,480 --> 01:15:18,080
» It's It's okay. It was just kind of a a
stick in the eye when you're out there

992
01:15:15,920 --> 01:15:22,560
doing fire mitigation and the guy from
the fire department's telling you that

993
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:28,239
your roads must be
to for us to bring a fire truck to your

994
01:15:25,920 --> 01:15:33,520
house, which is what you want. And you
see a fire out your window, which we got

995
01:15:30,719 --> 01:15:39,040
great views this year. And then you know
that he's telling you 20 foot wide and

996
01:15:36,080 --> 01:15:44,560
you know that the very entrance of your
community is not that. So yes, it was uh

997
01:15:42,320 --> 01:15:51,360
it was why I asked to be on the board.
Um uh Homestake, I'm usually pretty busy

998
01:15:48,000 --> 01:15:56,640
guy other than than that. I run a metro
district and I coach for so long. So uh

999
01:15:54,239 --> 01:16:01,199
I actually asked on it because my wife's
had several really close calls out

1000
01:15:59,280 --> 01:16:05,760
there. If you're trying to stop and
someone doesn't want to stop behind you

1001
01:16:03,440 --> 01:16:10,960
to turn left to go in there, they go
around you and that's really dangerous.

1002
01:16:08,480 --> 01:16:15,760
Yeah. So we just just just just the
close calls recently. I just said I we

1003
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:17,920
have to move forward on this and we got
to draw some attention. So that's why

1004
01:16:17,360 --> 01:16:21,360
I'm here.
>> Thank you.

1005
01:16:18,400 --> 01:16:24,320
» Yeah.
>> Thank you Sean.

1006
01:16:23,440 --> 01:16:27,920
You're welcome.
>> We'll follow up.

1007
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:32,080
» So just to reiterate on the seed
process, you would um apply for highway

1008
01:16:31,199 --> 01:16:36,880
access permit.
>> Okay.

1009
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:41,360
» To do any work in the highway rightway.
So even widening on the side of the

1010
01:16:39,600 --> 01:16:43,760
highway would require that cuz it's in
the rightway.

1011
01:16:42,159 --> 01:16:48,480
» In order to do the betterment, it would
have to stay a public road.

1012
01:16:46,080 --> 01:16:52,320
» Correct. Otherwise, you know, the study
would potentially require a massive

1013
01:16:50,719 --> 01:16:56,640
improvement.
>> And it might be worth doing a study just

1014
01:16:54,640 --> 01:17:00,080
to see what what's there. Anyway, I
don't know. You know,

1015
01:16:57,679 --> 01:17:04,000
» we could we do the betterment and have
an agreement like you said where the

1016
01:17:02,239 --> 01:17:08,480
homeowners association is maintaining
the road with the county owns it. What

1017
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:13,199
happens beyond the C not right away is
between you and the home association.

1018
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:16,719
» Okay.
>> But this is definitely in the C not

1019
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:20,560
right away.
>> Well, I that's what I'm hearing. I I was

1020
01:17:19,360 --> 01:17:22,640
trying to pull it up on my phone, but
now I've lost connection on my phone,

1021
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:26,840
too. So,
>> no. What is happening?

1022
01:17:27,679 --> 01:17:34,080
» There there's publicly accessible. You
can see the what what C do show us for

1023
01:17:32,320 --> 01:17:39,600
rideway bathrooms also in addition to
your county AG. So that's right

1024
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:43,840
» and that is the same permit process if
we're just going to do the Betterment

1025
01:17:40,880 --> 01:17:51,960
who would do the access permit.
>> Correct. It's all work at the access and

1026
01:17:47,199 --> 01:17:51,960
it would all fall into that process.

1027
01:17:53,679 --> 01:17:57,840
» Private Go ahead.
>> Just something generally to be aware of

1028
01:17:56,560 --> 01:18:01,600
for everyone in this room. We have
applied for um the safe streets and

1029
01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:05,679
roads for all grant to take a look at
county all county roads. Um this was

1030
01:18:03,920 --> 01:18:10,080
sort of precipitated by what's going on
out on county road 4 um at the lake but

1031
01:18:08,480 --> 01:18:14,719
um this would certainly fall into the
scope of that of that project and I

1032
01:18:12,080 --> 01:18:19,600
don't know if that you know assists or
advances the study you all would need to

1033
01:18:17,679 --> 01:18:22,400
um allow for an additional project in
that area or if there's something

1034
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:27,199
specific they have to do.
>> Yeah. So this is a plan for all of the

1035
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:31,920
county that they have to look at, not
just January 4th.

1036
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:36,400
» This is one of them. So
>> I mean things are moving. It's just

1037
01:18:33,920 --> 01:18:42,000
slow.
>> On that road study once we have it done

1038
01:18:39,040 --> 01:18:46,760
opens us up to apply for additional
grant funding. No.

1039
01:18:43,760 --> 01:18:46,760
» Okay.

1040
01:18:50,159 --> 01:18:56,960
» Okay. Any other issues, Josh, that we
need to talk about on 24?

1041
01:18:54,400 --> 01:19:00,960
» I think um so if we're done talking
about home state, we do have another uh

1042
01:18:58,719 --> 01:19:04,800
topic for for Highway 24 South.
>> Okay.

1043
01:19:01,440 --> 01:19:12,320
» Um the C CPD and public works are
currently considering a driveway permit.

1044
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:17,600
Um at uh yeah, 20 2100 Highway 24 South.
Um this is driveway access that drops

1045
01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:22,719
directly down onto Highway 24. So again,
we accessed off the state highway. Um,

1046
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:28,480
and Ann has some background to share on
this. I believe we also have Tom Marson

1047
01:19:26,159 --> 01:19:31,760
Engineering should be joining us who has
some background on the design of this

1048
01:19:30,159 --> 01:19:35,520
particular site.
>> There's a folder in teams that says

1049
01:19:33,280 --> 01:19:39,280
driveway.
Do we want to look at the spot?

1050
01:19:37,120 --> 01:19:42,520
» Thank you. I I
>> No worries.

1051
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:49,800
» Um, yeah. So, if you can get to the
location, I have sent an email to

1052
01:19:49,840 --> 01:19:56,560
You should be joining us soon here.
>> Go a bit further.

1053
01:19:53,440 --> 01:20:01,520
» Oops. Excuse me.
>> It's almost to the toxic entrance or

1054
01:19:59,920 --> 01:20:05,760
» Yeah. Yeah.
>> Wait a second. Let me just orient

1055
01:20:03,120 --> 01:20:09,360
myself. I do know where it is. Give me a
second.

1056
01:20:07,840 --> 01:20:14,000
» It's like up
>> here. A little more south.

1057
01:20:12,960 --> 01:20:18,719
» Game changer.
>> Game changer.

1058
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:21,760
There you go. Here
it is.

1059
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:24,320
And then
>> right down there. Right where the one

1060
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:28,159
Yes.
>> Yep.

1061
01:20:26,719 --> 01:20:31,040
» Do we want to look at it here? Should I
pull up stuff on Teams and Andy will

1062
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:34,480
share with you?
>> Okay. Thank

1063
01:20:32,159 --> 01:20:40,960
» the engineer design for the driveway.
>> So, um I've sent a quick email. Tom's

1064
01:20:37,600 --> 01:20:45,520
been multitasking, I think. Um Ed will
be joining us in a moment. Hopefully. I

1065
01:20:42,719 --> 01:20:52,960
don't quite see him in attendance yet.
Um, so just a little background on this.

1066
01:20:48,800 --> 01:20:59,760
Um, this is the county's access um here
um that we allowed the property owner to

1067
01:20:56,560 --> 01:21:07,679
utilize to um for access for their
driveway. Um this parcel is one of our

1068
01:21:03,760 --> 01:21:14,719
um favorite probate plat out in um E
Hill. And so um our first thought is,

1069
01:21:11,360 --> 01:21:19,679
wow, this is quite the site to develop.
Um but it did have a platted um ability

1070
01:21:17,600 --> 01:21:25,199
to access it at this point. They
approached Michael about being able to

1071
01:21:21,679 --> 01:21:31,199
use our CO access point and um so they
did coordinate with C dot on um the

1072
01:21:28,480 --> 01:21:34,159
access and then this driveway design is
something obviously that's been very

1073
01:21:32,719 --> 01:21:40,400
challenging. So when they came in for
building permit um and applied for the

1074
01:21:37,600 --> 01:21:46,880
driveway, I did place a stop work order
on this um driveway until we could get

1075
01:21:43,120 --> 01:21:54,159
an engineer design on it. Um so they
worked with um one design and recently

1076
01:21:51,440 --> 01:21:59,360
um they disengaged with their previous
engineer who actually had retired and

1077
01:21:56,400 --> 01:22:04,960
have contracted with Marson Engineering
and this is a redesign of the driveway

1078
01:22:02,000 --> 01:22:11,520
access. This gets a lot of um public
scrutiny um and concerns from our

1079
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:15,199
previous board as well as current board
about the safety. So, we've worked

1080
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:20,639
really closely with Brian Kian from C
DOT and Candace from C DOT. We've done

1081
01:22:17,679 --> 01:22:24,880
site visits um at the site to look at
the engineer design. This was the

1082
01:22:22,239 --> 01:22:30,000
previous design. Michael goes by this
obviously every day and is really our um

1083
01:22:27,920 --> 01:22:35,600
eyes in real time to make sure that we
have stability of that that slope and

1084
01:22:32,639 --> 01:22:41,360
and safety um to kind of alleviate
safety concerns. We do take a lot of um

1085
01:22:39,679 --> 01:22:46,639
concerned comments from the adjacent
property owner Paul Irwin in this area.

1086
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:52,320
And um so this does get elevated to
Michael and I often. And um so just

1087
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:56,719
wanted to include this today to give you
kind of a situational update of where we

1088
01:22:54,480 --> 01:23:02,639
are in the process. The building permit
has not been extended yet until we can u

1089
01:23:00,320 --> 01:23:09,040
make sure that this new um engineered
design is approvable. Um, the driveway

1090
01:23:06,320 --> 01:23:13,040
uh permit needs to be updated with the
design. So, Michael today, I think we'll

1091
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:17,199
have to kind of take that opportunity to
hear from um Tom Marson on the new

1092
01:23:15,360 --> 01:23:22,800
design.
Hopefully, there he is. Tom is with us

1093
01:23:19,280 --> 01:23:27,199
and you can kind of um before we
introduce Tom, is there any questions

1094
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:29,120
that you have in regards to kind of the
history and what led us to where we are

1095
01:23:28,639 --> 01:23:33,120
today?
>> I do have a little bit more history to

1096
01:23:30,880 --> 01:23:40,159
add to that.
Access is actually

1097
01:23:35,280 --> 01:23:45,120
um approved and permitted by C do prior
to these people owning this property was

1098
01:23:42,800 --> 01:23:50,239
for an adjacent property that had to use
the same access would be a public road,

1099
01:23:47,920 --> 01:23:54,719
not technically a county road because
it's in that subdivision,

1100
01:23:52,480 --> 01:23:59,600
but that's why the county had to approve
them accessing CO because it is a public

1101
01:23:57,679 --> 01:24:08,880
road
and that was permitted in that

1102
01:24:03,760 --> 01:24:12,159
the early 2000s 2005 someone there um
and I believe it was I think they've

1103
01:24:10,880 --> 01:24:16,400
been trying to sell their property
because they realize that they cannot

1104
01:24:14,560 --> 01:24:22,080
access their property.
>> Yeah. Be able to again you have the

1105
01:24:19,040 --> 01:24:25,920
appropriate plots which consider access
without taking into account really doing

1106
01:24:24,159 --> 01:24:30,239
the engineering work and topography that
it would need to make these feasible.

1107
01:24:28,239 --> 01:24:35,679
So, it was the John White property that
originally petitioned the county for the

1108
01:24:32,719 --> 01:24:39,440
ability to to use the access to put in
the road, but that road design has never

1109
01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:43,600
come to fruition.
>> Um, so this is the first improvement

1110
01:24:41,440 --> 01:24:47,520
that's coming off of that in the form of
the driveway.

1111
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:52,320
» So, and just to be clear, when he got
his construction permit,

1112
01:24:50,320 --> 01:24:53,280
he didn't have a driveway permit.
>> He did.

1113
01:24:52,719 --> 01:24:54,560
» He did.
>> Oh.

1114
01:24:53,760 --> 01:24:59,920
» Um, he did, but it
>> was from Ceda. And then when I know that

1115
01:24:56,960 --> 01:25:05,120
the first permit was issued by Michael,
>> um, but when we did a bit of review

1116
01:25:03,199 --> 01:25:09,840
looking at the attributes of the
driveway and then started seeing the

1117
01:25:07,040 --> 01:25:15,840
actual earth work happening on site, I
actually I I did a stop work um and I

1118
01:25:14,239 --> 01:25:19,679
spoke about it and and I gave him
direction that he needed to bring in an

1119
01:25:17,360 --> 01:25:23,760
engineer design. we were considered. We
were um concerned about a lot of the

1120
01:25:21,679 --> 01:25:29,520
design elements of this driveway
>> and so we did a stop a stop work order

1121
01:25:26,719 --> 01:25:34,239
and and then that was the the first time
we ever seen the engineered design and

1122
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:36,320
then um Tom has come in and redefined
that design.

1123
01:25:35,199 --> 01:25:42,000
» Okay.
>> So can I just ask one more question?

1124
01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:46,480
» Actually two because that was the first
one. Um

1125
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:51,120
let's see. Uh, so when did all this has
this been because that's been built

1126
01:25:47,920 --> 01:25:56,239
that's been going on for 3 years.
>> A really good question of how long um I

1127
01:25:54,239 --> 01:26:00,239
would say I think this was right when I
took over the directorship. So I think

1128
01:25:58,080 --> 01:26:04,800
it was right in 2022
>> that we started um on this project.

1129
01:26:03,199 --> 01:26:09,600
» Okay.
>> All right. Thank you.

1130
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:15,120
Just a little more background to you
that when Michael says public road and

1131
01:26:12,560 --> 01:26:19,520
talks about the probate courts, probate
courts have the ability to essentially

1132
01:26:17,520 --> 01:26:24,239
subdivide property without county
approval. They can go in and any court

1133
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:29,040
can go in and issue an order. And so
what happened is this property all got

1134
01:26:26,960 --> 01:26:34,719
essentially subdivided
these lots through court process, not a

1135
01:26:32,560 --> 01:26:40,239
county process.
And the court

1136
01:26:36,159 --> 01:26:45,840
uh put on the plat that these are public
roads even though I don't think we've

1137
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:51,360
officially accepted any of those roads
or maintain them. So public roads is

1138
01:26:48,719 --> 01:26:57,520
kind of a a loose term not necessarily a
county road but it's really a little bit

1139
01:26:54,400 --> 01:27:03,040
undefined what public road means in the
context.

1140
01:26:59,679 --> 01:27:05,199
» Isn't there access from up above too?
>> That's where the contention comes in.

1141
01:27:04,560 --> 01:27:08,960
» Okay. Right.
>> And that belongs to

1142
01:27:08,159 --> 01:27:13,000
all.
>> So, I'm jumping ahead of

1143
01:27:14,239 --> 01:27:21,840
» We went we we went with previous council
and looked at what the plaque showed,

1144
01:27:18,800 --> 01:27:26,639
but we couldn't establish um an easement
that could be utilized in order to gain

1145
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:30,719
access from up. And that was the first
solution that we tried to uh when I put

1146
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:34,800
in the stop work orders, the first thing
I started working with our previous land

1147
01:27:33,040 --> 01:27:40,800
use council to see if we could go back
and establish access from a better

1148
01:27:37,679 --> 01:27:44,880
bearing point, a more reasonable access.
Um but we were unable to do that and we

1149
01:27:43,280 --> 01:27:49,159
did not have the cooperation from the
adjacent property owner.

1150
01:27:46,159 --> 01:27:49,159
» Okay.

1151
01:27:49,199 --> 01:27:54,440
» All right. Well, shall we hear from
Morrison Engineering?

1152
01:27:54,719 --> 01:27:59,480
How's the How's it going out there on
the driveway?

1153
01:27:59,520 --> 01:28:07,360
» How's I haven't looked at it in a little
bit, but we did drop some plans. Um, it

1154
01:28:05,760 --> 01:28:12,320
was pretty much a redesign from the
original permitted plan because there

1155
01:28:10,080 --> 01:28:17,120
was some unique features
in the permanent plan set that we didn't

1156
01:28:14,719 --> 01:28:22,719
understand why they were there or how
they could be built. They include a the

1157
01:28:20,159 --> 01:28:28,320
original plan said had an approximate 18
foot wall on the fill slope which is

1158
01:28:25,280 --> 01:28:35,199
this the steeper cobble slope that faces
the highway and a six foot wall uphill

1159
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:41,520
side. It had a 30 foot wide uh platform
on top

1160
01:28:37,679 --> 01:28:47,360
that these return walls were built.
We a normal driveway width is 12 feet

1161
01:28:44,560 --> 01:28:51,920
wide. So why they drew it at 30 ft wide,
I don't know. And there was again a

1162
01:28:49,600 --> 01:28:56,800
retaining wall on the downhill side that
started partially

1163
01:28:54,560 --> 01:29:02,000
up the the steep slope. So it wasn't
protecting all the steep slope. This

1164
01:28:58,400 --> 01:29:06,960
proposed retaining wall. Talking the
Thompsons, they didn't want to build a

1165
01:29:04,400 --> 01:29:12,159
fill wall. I don't think they need to
build a build a fill wall. That means on

1166
01:29:09,520 --> 01:29:16,560
the the downhill side putting in a wall
and filling.

1167
01:29:14,639 --> 01:29:21,679
So maybe we could look at our plans.
Chance, I have my uh colleague Chance.

1168
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:27,600
So my name is Tom Marson. I'm a civil
engineer and land surveyor. I own Marson

1169
01:29:25,040 --> 01:29:33,760
Engineering. I've been practicing in the
mountain since 1995 is my background.

1170
01:29:32,239 --> 01:29:37,360
Marson Engineering is about 20
personnel.

1171
01:29:36,320 --> 01:29:43,120
We
>> Yeah, if the host can enable a screen

1172
01:29:39,840 --> 01:29:46,120
share, we can pull up some of our plans.
Surely.

1173
01:29:48,480 --> 01:29:51,480
» Oops.

1174
01:29:56,239 --> 01:30:03,960
» Okay, you should have screen sharing
ability and I might have accidentally

1175
01:30:00,320 --> 01:30:03,960
muted you. Sorry.

1176
01:30:19,440 --> 01:30:22,440
Oops.

1177
01:30:26,800 --> 01:30:33,000
» Nice. We can see that. Um, but you're
still muted. Just FYI.

1178
01:30:33,760 --> 01:30:39,719
» She's good. Okay.
>> Give us a moment.

1179
01:30:40,480 --> 01:30:44,000
Is that large enough on an advisor's
end?

1180
01:30:43,440 --> 01:30:49,199
» Sure.
>> Mhm.

1181
01:30:46,960 --> 01:30:53,520
» Okay. So,
this sheet we call our site plan. It

1182
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:59,440
helps us get orientated with
uh what's going on out there. The you

1183
01:30:56,400 --> 01:31:06,480
can see highway 24 and then you see a
lightly gray shaded um

1184
01:31:02,800 --> 01:31:12,639
road that goes up up the hill. That is
what they've built to date.

1185
01:31:08,719 --> 01:31:18,159
Um, and that roughly matches the
original design plan with the exception

1186
01:31:14,719 --> 01:31:22,400
of Can you guys see my cursor?
>> Yeah.

1187
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:26,800
» Around here there was scheduled to be an
18t wall

1188
01:31:24,880 --> 01:31:32,159
and
for the request of the Thompsons and we

1189
01:31:29,280 --> 01:31:36,800
don't see why it was needed. We've we've
eliminated that wall and that steep

1190
01:31:33,840 --> 01:31:42,400
slope. But to get the proper slope
layback, the road had to move over into

1191
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:48,480
the hill a little bit u from the
alignment that they built. So the darker

1192
01:31:45,920 --> 01:31:53,679
shaded area is
is the engineered road that we've drawn.

1193
01:31:52,080 --> 01:31:57,520
Um
a slight variance in the we're

1194
01:31:56,159 --> 01:32:00,639
requesting a variance which I don't
think should be a big deal. At the entry

1195
01:31:59,120 --> 01:32:06,960
it's a 40 foot radius and at the
switchback it's a also a 40 foot radius.

1196
01:32:04,480 --> 01:32:13,320
in total
uh 50

1197
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:13,320
by the land use code.

1198
01:32:13,520 --> 01:32:20,320
So, we'll need some retaining walls. You
can see the bright green, that's a green

1199
01:32:18,000 --> 01:32:24,239
space. It's a two two-tiered boulder
retaining walls. What's proposed on the

1200
01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:28,400
uphill side?
Um the downhill side will just be

1201
01:32:26,639 --> 01:32:32,800
graded.
And I know there's a lot of concern

1202
01:32:30,320 --> 01:32:37,639
there. So, we did some studies and I'm
gonna have Chance look the pages here

1203
01:32:40,800 --> 01:32:46,920
section.
>> Yeah, we'll just cut to the deep steeper

1204
01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:46,920
part.

1205
01:32:47,199 --> 01:32:55,360
Um,
flip up to the plan view again. So, see

1206
01:32:52,880 --> 01:32:58,360
those crosssections? What about the
cross-sections?

1207
01:33:00,000 --> 01:33:13,199
this one. Okay, scroll in.
So, you see numbers like 5 plus 0 0

1208
01:33:09,600 --> 01:33:20,159
uh four 4 plus 0 0. That's where these
cross-sections are drawn. 4 plus 0 0 4 +

1209
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:23,560
50 5 plus 0. And now we'll go back and
look at the cross-sections.

1210
01:33:32,000 --> 01:33:37,000
Um,
let's go to

1211
01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:46,960
here's an example of
of what we're proposing. It also

1212
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:52,800
indicates what they've built.
You see that the blue line?

1213
01:33:50,639 --> 01:33:57,440
That's the steepest we'd want to stack
um this type of

1214
01:33:55,280 --> 01:34:02,400
mater one and a half to one. So for
every foot of drop, we need to go a half

1215
01:34:00,719 --> 01:34:10,639
horizontally.
Uh we have a more conservative design

1216
01:34:05,920 --> 01:34:15,040
with a dash line that's a 1.7 to one and
you can see what the existing slope is.

1217
01:34:13,120 --> 01:34:22,480
We did an analysis. We did the initial
topo on this property

1218
01:34:18,080 --> 01:34:27,120
and some of this has been disturbed but
not greatly. We compared the topos about

1219
01:34:25,600 --> 01:34:34,480
the same. So this slope had been
standing at at that layback for

1220
01:34:31,520 --> 01:34:39,760
um you know probably decades if not
longer.

1221
01:34:37,199 --> 01:34:43,920
We just pulled the road platform back.
You can see where they've currently

1222
01:34:40,960 --> 01:34:47,440
built the road platform.
And then at the tip of our blue line

1223
01:34:46,159 --> 01:34:52,639
here, you can see where the proposed
road platform is. This is one of the

1224
01:34:49,679 --> 01:34:57,120
worst uh crosssections, meaning more
challenging sections to get through. And

1225
01:34:55,600 --> 01:35:02,239
there's quite a bit of cut on the uphill
side that's not 100% refined, but we get

1226
01:35:00,560 --> 01:35:07,320
the idea that they're going to have to
move some material around to get this to

1227
01:35:04,320 --> 01:35:07,320
work.

1228
01:35:07,520 --> 01:35:13,600
Uh the red line that's vertical on this
cross-section indicates the right of

1229
01:35:11,920 --> 01:35:18,080
way. You know, on the left side, it's
the the highway rightway. On the right

1230
01:35:15,440 --> 01:35:22,639
side is the private property of that
vertical red line. And then the edge of

1231
01:35:20,480 --> 01:35:27,480
traveled way is marked with an X and a
and a little tag on the far left side

1232
01:35:24,480 --> 01:35:27,480
there.

1233
01:35:28,400 --> 01:35:39,840
At 1.5 to one or flatter,
it's not likely that a boulder will roll

1234
01:35:37,920 --> 01:35:45,360
or if it does, it won't go very far.
It'll alter to the toe of the slope, but

1235
01:35:42,159 --> 01:35:52,080
we're going to stop that they remove any
loose scree or boulders on there. And we

1236
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:56,120
would anticipate that that the material
would be stable after that.

1237
01:35:56,400 --> 01:35:59,560
Hold on.

1238
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:06,639
» Wait, can can I get clarification on
that real quick? You're going to request

1239
01:36:04,320 --> 01:36:10,560
that they remove any loose boulders or
any loose debris.

1240
01:36:08,159 --> 01:36:12,880
» Is that what Yeah.
Yeah.

1241
01:36:11,280 --> 01:36:19,199
» Okay. Thanks.
>> Who who would who would be responsible

1242
01:36:14,960 --> 01:36:23,040
for ensuring that that's happening?
>> Well, the

1243
01:36:21,040 --> 01:36:27,199
uh the contractor would be the one
responsible to make that happen. And I

1244
01:36:25,360 --> 01:36:31,280
think the county has requested that we
do periodic inspections on the

1245
01:36:28,880 --> 01:36:35,760
construction of this work. So, we'll go
out and

1246
01:36:33,360 --> 01:36:41,880
u confirm that they've built this to
what we intended them to build to.

1247
01:36:38,239 --> 01:36:41,880
» Great. Thank you.

1248
01:36:42,000 --> 01:36:48,960
» Hey Tom, this is Michael. I do have a
question if you want to go back to where

1249
01:36:46,320 --> 01:36:53,119
the access is to the highway.
>> I believe the speed up permit says that

1250
01:36:50,800 --> 01:36:58,080
has to be a 90°
access from the highway.

1251
01:36:55,920 --> 01:37:02,719
» And I think it turns really quick, maybe
leaving the highway.

1252
01:37:00,639 --> 01:37:06,639
» Okay, let's Our screen's got to catch
up. Just hold on.

1253
01:37:04,080 --> 01:37:09,679
» Yeah, it's trying.
There you go.

1254
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:16,320
Okay. So, you can see in the light
lighter gray shading, that's what

1255
01:37:14,480 --> 01:37:20,480
they've built.
And you can see in the darker gray

1256
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:26,080
shading, that's what we've designed. So,
we have a 40 foot tangent per the C dot

1257
01:37:23,280 --> 01:37:32,080
access code. So, it's a 40 foot
straightaway 90 degrees to highway 24.

1258
01:37:30,400 --> 01:37:38,000
Um,
so,

1259
01:37:33,600 --> 01:37:41,199
so it will be a 90 degree um axis.
Okay.

1260
01:37:39,119 --> 01:37:43,840
» The original plan was not drawn that
way.

1261
01:37:42,000 --> 01:37:48,480
» Ends right there in that in the green
section. That's all the right away

1262
01:37:46,560 --> 01:37:52,280
that's permitted
with the seat out permit.

1263
01:37:52,400 --> 01:37:59,119
That 40ft toner looks good.
>> We realize that in these challenging

1264
01:37:56,719 --> 01:38:05,800
terrain situations, it's not always
possible. So, it's good to see that much

1265
01:38:02,560 --> 01:38:05,800
is possible.

1266
01:38:08,239 --> 01:38:15,679
Who was just making those comments? Uh,
>> it's Mark Bunnel from Ced.

1267
01:38:13,600 --> 01:38:20,560
» Do you guys ever allow a variance to the
40 foot tangent?

1268
01:38:18,239 --> 01:38:26,159
uh occasionally
the

1269
01:38:23,199 --> 01:38:32,080
» it's the variance would be more on the
the 40 foot length because we want that

1270
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:38,239
passenger car to be able to pull up and
have good sight line both directions.

1271
01:38:35,760 --> 01:38:43,920
So it would be more about shortening the
40 foot before we would entertain

1272
01:38:41,440 --> 01:38:47,080
uh something that's not perpendicular to
the highway.

1273
01:38:47,199 --> 01:38:53,360
Um, sure. So, that's that's where I was
going. We've been meaning to reach out

1274
01:38:51,360 --> 01:38:57,600
to you and we've kept catch you live in
front of everybody, but uh um it might

1275
01:38:56,320 --> 01:39:03,199
help these guys a little bit where we
see that green wall or we see a boulder,

1276
01:39:00,239 --> 01:39:06,080
a green space, and a boulder wall. We'd
be able to reduce that a little bit if

1277
01:39:04,560 --> 01:39:11,520
we could reduce that tangent. But I
wanted to get this concept in front of

1278
01:39:08,480 --> 01:39:15,840
everybody. If it's if it's liked, this
is a 90% set. If it's not liked, then

1279
01:39:14,159 --> 01:39:19,840
we'll,
you know, we'll go back to the drawing

1280
01:39:17,440 --> 01:39:25,600
board and and tweak it per the requests
of this meeting or

1281
01:39:22,639 --> 01:39:30,159
from the county.
But, um,

1282
01:39:27,679 --> 01:39:33,679
regardless of that radius is proposed at
40, that tangent might be able to be

1283
01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:41,040
reduced a little bit, but it will be a
90 degree axis.

1284
01:39:35,840 --> 01:39:45,760
Um once we get up to station 2 plus 0 0
we'll be in that alignment.

1285
01:39:43,360 --> 01:39:50,719
So reducing that tangent would just pull
this out of the hillside a little bit

1286
01:39:47,520 --> 01:39:54,880
and less walls would need to be built
less earthwork.

1287
01:39:52,960 --> 01:39:59,600
But again, this alignment once we get
through this uh

1288
01:39:57,520 --> 01:40:02,840
these corners would would follow the
same track.

1289
01:40:08,159 --> 01:40:21,080
» Yeah, you answered my question.
>> So, just talk with go through Brian

1290
01:40:14,480 --> 01:40:21,080
Kellian on that request on the variance.

1291
01:40:26,000 --> 01:40:33,239
or Nick if you're at that stage in the
process. Nick, no request.

1292
01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:39,800
» Um,

1293
01:40:40,560 --> 01:40:50,080
so just really from um
0 plus 40, which it means 40T from the

1294
01:40:46,880 --> 01:40:53,600
highway to 2 plus 0. That would be just
modified a little bit if we could

1295
01:40:51,360 --> 01:40:58,719
shorten up that tangent, but otherwise
the the road going up the slope, uh the

1296
01:40:56,960 --> 01:41:03,440
driveway would be remain in its same
location. We're proposing a 16 foot wide

1297
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:07,440
platform
and that's what's drafted here and

1298
01:41:04,800 --> 01:41:12,960
shaded with 12 feet being the traveled
way and a 4ft buffer

1299
01:41:10,320 --> 01:41:16,239
uh for guard rail or
they might want to do earth and burm or

1300
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:20,639
boulders or something. But there needs
to be some protection to prevent

1301
01:41:18,320 --> 01:41:24,520
vehicles from going over the side of
this boat.

1302
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:37,360
We have a a pull out proposed up at the
switchback.

1303
01:41:35,600 --> 01:41:42,719
Since they've already graded that area,
it's not a big deal for them to in

1304
01:41:39,280 --> 01:41:47,679
install that.
We probably

1305
01:41:44,800 --> 01:41:55,080
place one at the midpoint between the
entry and the uh switchback. Also, less

1306
01:41:50,960 --> 01:41:55,080
robust that you see there.

1307
01:42:02,719 --> 01:42:10,560
So, kind of our hope today was to bring
Tom in, answer any um questions about

1308
01:42:07,840 --> 01:42:15,280
the design that the board had. Um, also
let you know that this will be put into

1309
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:22,159
final review and then final approval of
the driveway would be in um Michael's

1310
01:42:18,480 --> 01:42:26,960
court to review the design um approve
potential variances from the county

1311
01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:34,159
standpoint and then um direct them to
work with Brian um or C do on any

1312
01:42:31,199 --> 01:42:39,600
variance requested on the access permit.
Um, wanted to create some awareness that

1313
01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:44,480
that's where your staff is working on
ensuring the safety of this driveway and

1314
01:42:42,560 --> 01:42:49,679
and ensuring compliance with our code is
as well as working with CO for

1315
01:42:46,639 --> 01:42:54,520
compliance on the access. So happy to
answer any questions you might have.

1316
01:42:51,360 --> 01:42:54,520
Thank you.

1317
01:42:55,760 --> 01:43:04,480
» I don't have any questions. Uh, Andy, do
you have any questions? you know, I

1318
01:43:01,280 --> 01:43:10,400
don't have this spells things out really
clearly for me and will give me a little

1319
01:43:06,639 --> 01:43:15,280
bit of information to relay back to any
concerned public members. Um, and all of

1320
01:43:13,679 --> 01:43:22,080
this information that we're looking at
right now, is that something that you

1321
01:43:17,679 --> 01:43:28,320
have ready access to to allay um
concerns? I mean, this has been a a

1322
01:43:25,440 --> 01:43:35,520
pretty contentious topic. Um, I know
that the BOCC has been uh

1323
01:43:32,560 --> 01:43:41,280
um approached in in not entirely
professional manners about how this

1324
01:43:37,280 --> 01:43:44,960
whole thing's been um handled. And I
just want to make sure that we we can

1325
01:43:43,199 --> 01:43:50,800
get all this information out to the
people who who might have the wrong idea

1326
01:43:47,679 --> 01:43:54,159
about how all this is going down.
>> Absolutely. This information is

1327
01:43:52,480 --> 01:43:59,199
available in the teams folder. We
provided the preliminary design like um

1328
01:43:56,960 --> 01:44:02,560
Thomas indicated that we're at like 90%.
So we haven't fully approved this yet.

1329
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:06,960
It's still in review, but this
everything that we have in the building

1330
01:44:04,159 --> 01:44:14,280
department um is transparent and
sharable. So um but this particular

1331
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:14,280
design is in your team's folder now.

1332
01:44:14,480 --> 01:44:20,000
» Okay, great. Thanks. I'm try I've been
trying to open it and it's like real

1333
01:44:17,760 --> 01:44:24,159
glitchy, but maybe it's um because I'm
trying I'm on my computer watching the

1334
01:44:22,639 --> 01:44:29,119
meeting and I'm trying to open it on a
mobile device. So, it's probably it

1335
01:44:26,719 --> 01:44:33,920
probably takes a lot of processing power
to look at these files.

1336
01:44:31,760 --> 01:44:38,679
» We'll go ahead and just um I can send it
directly to your email if you'd like.

1337
01:44:39,440 --> 01:44:43,639
» That would be great. Thank you.

1338
01:44:48,719 --> 01:44:56,400
Well, Mark, thanks for working on that.
We appreciate it. And uh keep keep an

1339
01:44:53,840 --> 01:45:03,000
eye on them and we'll move forward with
this.

1340
01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:03,000
» We'll try and move forward.

1341
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:06,760
» Thank you.

1342
01:45:07,920 --> 01:45:13,119
» You're welcome everybody.
>> There's any further questions, let me

1343
01:45:11,600 --> 01:45:16,520
know.
Appreciate it.

1344
01:45:16,800 --> 01:45:23,000
» No questions from us and
good luck.

1345
01:45:23,199 --> 01:45:30,080
» All right. Thank you.
>> Okay.

1346
01:45:27,920 --> 01:45:33,679
Okay. So, a real quick uh interview
before we completely leave the the state

1347
01:45:32,080 --> 01:45:38,159
highways and move to this the discussion
about the the Grand Canyon USI

1348
01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:41,760
deliveries. Just for board awareness, um
a recent development and I saw Kurt

1349
01:45:40,239 --> 01:45:46,480
Schweer was here a moment ago. Looks
like he had to step out. But um Kurt had

1350
01:45:44,800 --> 01:45:51,440
approached the Friends of Twin Lakes
board in the county about potentially

1351
01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:56,480
collaborating on a grant um down in in
uh Twin Lakes. It was a DOT grant

1352
01:45:54,560 --> 01:46:00,239
specifically around federal lands
access. Um and they were thinking

1353
01:45:58,320 --> 01:46:05,920
creatively about how they could utilize
this funding to create safer access and

1354
01:46:03,199 --> 01:46:10,080
crossings um from the village side uh
onto the federal land. The parking area,

1355
01:46:08,480 --> 01:46:14,159
rest area, and the trails are over
there. Um given the timeline of that

1356
01:46:12,400 --> 01:46:18,400
grant, you know, both friends of film
lakes and the county really didn't have

1357
01:46:16,239 --> 01:46:21,440
capacity to pursue that. We need to
really think through what a partnership

1358
01:46:19,920 --> 01:46:24,560
could potentially look like related to
that. But um one thing that did come out

1359
01:46:23,440 --> 01:46:29,040
of the discussion that we've been
running down on uh the county side um as

1360
01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:33,199
friends of Twin Lakes has asked for us
to place some traffic counters right

1361
01:46:31,440 --> 01:46:37,199
down there at the village so we can get
a a good count and some data for

1362
01:46:35,360 --> 01:46:41,920
potential future grant applications that
might consider some safety measures

1363
01:46:39,119 --> 01:46:44,800
across Highway 82 there. So um nothing
more for real discussion at this point

1364
01:46:43,520 --> 01:46:49,199
unless you have questions, but that was
just an awareness item for everyone. I

1365
01:46:47,360 --> 01:46:56,040
think we're we're we have one piece of
information left uh to get the approval

1366
01:46:52,719 --> 01:46:56,040
» traffic control.

1367
01:46:56,320 --> 01:47:00,520
Put a traffic counter across
>> there.

1368
01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:07,199
All I have to get the permit.
>> Do you have you have your own counter?

1369
01:47:04,480 --> 01:47:11,440
» Yeah.
>> The two counters.

1370
01:47:10,000 --> 01:47:15,119
» Yeah.
And so we're hopeful to have that place

1371
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:19,360
for Labor Day weekend to get a kind of a
busy weekend down there to get a really

1372
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:22,639
sense of the the traffic counts, but
unfortunately Kurt's not here to say

1373
01:47:20,800 --> 01:47:26,159
thank you directly to, but we appreciate
them sort of thinking through those

1374
01:47:23,920 --> 01:47:31,199
partnerships and bringing that our
attention down there. So

1375
01:47:28,400 --> 01:47:35,679
» um any questions about that one or go
ahead and move ahead?

1376
01:47:33,119 --> 01:47:39,360
» Okay, Mr. Day, I believe we'll pass the
the microphone to you to give us some

1377
01:47:37,199 --> 01:47:44,639
background on the semi trucks.
>> Sure. Sure. It's Grand West Estates and

1378
01:47:42,560 --> 01:47:50,000
um you know I guess I just want to take
the opportunity to to thank M and his

1379
01:47:47,600 --> 01:47:54,159
team. It's taken a few years but you
know we've made there have been a number

1380
01:47:51,600 --> 01:47:59,679
of improvements made there. Additional
speed limit signs and in strategic

1381
01:47:56,800 --> 01:48:06,320
places um the little yellow tags that
say what do they say? No no no exit or

1382
01:48:03,280 --> 01:48:12,719
» no exit you know on the culde-sac roads.
Um striping on the on the highway was

1383
01:48:09,199 --> 01:48:18,320
refreshed a couple of years ago. Um
what else did you do? Um

1384
01:48:15,760 --> 01:48:24,199
» signs we did paint yellow lines on the
road.

1385
01:48:20,719 --> 01:48:24,199
» The yellow tags

1386
01:48:24,239 --> 01:48:32,000
on that road. That's what's in the
package. A lot of information from the

1387
01:48:29,760 --> 01:48:37,280
county. So, um, thank you.
>> So, I just wanted to thank thank the

1388
01:48:34,480 --> 01:48:41,440
county and Michael in particular for,
you know, for doing all of that.

1389
01:48:39,119 --> 01:48:47,360
actually met all our our requests except
for for one that has a se dot

1390
01:48:43,760 --> 01:48:52,480
implication as well that not just um
county road 99 but other county roads

1391
01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:58,080
are are weight limited for for heavy
trucks, you know, but if you're driving

1392
01:48:54,639 --> 01:49:03,600
down a state highway, um you have no way
to know until you make the the turn that

1393
01:49:01,520 --> 01:49:08,960
that is a county road and it's it's
weight restricted. So, I guess my, you

1394
01:49:06,560 --> 01:49:14,400
know, my question is, is there is there
any way to put signage, you know, when

1395
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:19,199
you're entering the county on on state
highways to, you know, indicate that

1396
01:49:16,719 --> 01:49:23,440
that county roads are, you know, are
weight limited. Otherwise, you know, a

1397
01:49:21,119 --> 01:49:28,400
semi-truck turning, you know, turning on
to County 99, you know, sees the weight

1398
01:49:26,000 --> 01:49:33,040
limit sign, you know, maybe 50 feet on
down the county road, but, you know, has

1399
01:49:30,880 --> 01:49:38,320
no choice but to, you know, but to keep
going. So, how, you know, just from a

1400
01:49:35,920 --> 01:49:43,520
general perspective, is there any way to
to alert, you know, truck drivers to to

1401
01:49:41,600 --> 01:49:47,840
wait restricted roads before they
actually turn on to them?

1402
01:49:46,159 --> 01:49:52,719
» Yeah. So, it's it's not a problem. I
mean, we can absolutely permit a sign

1403
01:49:49,840 --> 01:49:57,119
that says, you know, intersection ahead,
name of the intersection, maybe it has a

1404
01:49:54,639 --> 01:49:59,199
placard that says weight restrict or
something like that. It's no problem at

1405
01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:03,520
all.
>> So, what's the procedure for doing that?

1406
01:50:01,679 --> 01:50:09,840
send us a request and what the sign
would look like and we would do a simple

1407
01:50:06,480 --> 01:50:15,199
special use permit for that. Okay.
>> Okay. And I know the agenda item had an

1408
01:50:12,800 --> 01:50:19,920
intriguing thing about about semi
trucks, you know, and um you know, there

1409
01:50:18,000 --> 01:50:25,199
was one issue a few years ago where this
came to point that Loop and Lane is one

1410
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:29,600
of the culde-sac roads off of County 99
and in the middle of the winter, you

1411
01:50:26,960 --> 01:50:33,520
know, a semi-truck had had turned right
onto Loop and Lane, gone up the hill,

1412
01:50:32,080 --> 01:50:38,400
you know, and then there was a culde-sac
turnaround and gotten completely stuck.

1413
01:50:35,679 --> 01:50:43,920
Um why? Google Maps must have told them,
you know, what to do and they, you know,

1414
01:50:41,440 --> 01:50:48,480
that's why the the yellow tails are
helpful to indicate the culde-sac roads

1415
01:50:45,920 --> 01:50:54,000
have no have no exit. So, that was the
intriguing uh teaser on the on the

1416
01:50:51,360 --> 01:50:58,159
agenda item. It only happened once, but
it created, you know, quite a bit of

1417
01:50:55,840 --> 01:51:02,400
chaos to get that truck, you know, I
think they had to back out or something.

1418
01:51:00,800 --> 01:51:09,360
I don't I don't remember the
particulars. Um, so, um, the only other

1419
01:51:06,480 --> 01:51:15,360
issue with County 99 that that we
broached both to Michael and and the

1420
01:51:12,080 --> 01:51:21,520
sheriff was was enforcement. It's turned
into a real racetrack. Um, there have

1421
01:51:18,159 --> 01:51:26,880
been several several accidents. Um Dan
may know about this on the you know as

1422
01:51:24,159 --> 01:51:29,840
you're going west and you make the curb
and you go down towards Leadville

1423
01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:34,639
Junction. There have been several
several cars that have you know gone off

1424
01:51:32,480 --> 01:51:38,880
the road at a high rate of speed on the
downhill side actually knock trees down.

1425
01:51:37,360 --> 01:51:44,560
One of them a couple years ago just
broke a tree. I don't think it was a

1426
01:51:40,960 --> 01:51:50,560
fatality, but you know, but um you know,
increased enforcement, not on just on

1427
01:51:47,040 --> 01:51:56,880
99, but on all county roads, I think, is
is um you know, is is warranted

1428
01:51:54,400 --> 01:52:02,239
recognizing the resource limitations,
but but there's uh you know, there's a

1429
01:51:59,599 --> 01:52:08,320
lot of speeding on on County 99. I think
Nabel can probably attest to that as

1430
01:52:04,239 --> 01:52:13,199
well. Um um so you know so greater
enforcement um it'd be real easy for a

1431
01:52:11,520 --> 01:52:20,239
sheriff's deputy to park on one of the
culde-sacs and just do a radar hit as of

1432
01:52:16,480 --> 01:52:24,880
traffic uh traffic going by. Um, you
know, so that's just our, you know, our

1433
01:52:22,320 --> 01:52:28,639
last request is some way, you know, to
increase enforcement, not just on this

1434
01:52:26,960 --> 01:52:32,239
road, but, you know, but all county
roads. And again, it'd be interesting to

1435
01:52:30,560 --> 01:52:35,920
know, you know, how many speeding
tickets have been issued on county road

1436
01:52:34,239 --> 01:52:43,199
99 if
>> the exact way everybody uses and they go

1437
01:52:39,040 --> 01:52:48,080
from 99 to get on to 24, but then it's
90,

1438
01:52:44,480 --> 01:52:51,280
» four, then five. It just continues.
maps will actually route you that

1439
01:52:49,920 --> 01:52:55,040
direction if you're coming from the
south 24.

1440
01:52:53,840 --> 01:52:59,679
» Mhm.
>> You know what else I noticed too is it's

1441
01:52:56,719 --> 01:53:02,800
a great right where the trees end there.
That's a great place to throw your beer

1442
01:53:01,520 --> 01:53:08,960
cans.
>> Oh yeah. Oh yeah. Yeah. It's a

1443
01:53:06,080 --> 01:53:12,800
» that the both sides of the road this
thing are just lined with garbage.

1444
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:17,360
» Yeah. we're easily able to assess what
the drinking trends are in Lake County

1445
01:53:15,280 --> 01:53:23,440
just by picking up trash along that
along that road. Um but again, did the

1446
01:53:21,199 --> 01:53:28,800
traffic count? So, so we'll see because
because of all the traffic um you know,

1447
01:53:25,840 --> 01:53:34,400
but but um appreciate appreciate the
efforts to uh you know to uh you know to

1448
01:53:32,560 --> 01:53:39,679
make those improvements. It only took
three or four years, not six years. So I

1449
01:53:37,119 --> 01:53:45,800
guess we feel very lucky.
tenacity as its uh rewards, Pete.

1450
01:53:46,000 --> 01:53:53,679
» Okay. Shall we move on to this next item
and let Are you all done? Josh, how can

1451
01:53:52,239 --> 01:53:56,239
we follow up? Who's going to follow up
on that? So,

1452
01:53:54,400 --> 01:53:58,159
» I do have some information to share. I
know it's in the package, but

1453
01:53:57,520 --> 01:54:03,440
» Okay.
>> Just some speed statistics on that road.

1454
01:54:01,520 --> 01:54:10,159
» It's really scary.
>> 95% of the people drive faster than 90.

1455
01:54:08,159 --> 01:54:15,679
» Yes. 90 miles an hour.
>> Yeah, that speed was recorded at 99.3.

1456
01:54:13,760 --> 01:54:18,639
» I'm sorry. You said 90% of the people
who drive on that road go 90 miles an

1457
01:54:18,239 --> 01:54:25,760
hour.
>> 95% 95 percentile is higher than 90

1458
01:54:24,000 --> 01:54:27,599
miles an hour. 85.9.
>> Wow.

1459
01:54:26,080 --> 01:54:33,360
» Oh, the 90th percentile.
>> 95%.

1460
01:54:29,119 --> 01:54:38,719
Whoa. That's super different. Wasn't
there a little uh underground um kind of

1461
01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:42,159
racing scene that was popping up over
there by Leadville Junction for a

1462
01:54:40,400 --> 01:54:47,280
minute? Like I could I felt like I could
hear them from Leadville North and uh

1463
01:54:46,000 --> 01:54:52,159
you could and then you could see the
burnout marks everywhere. Um I thought

1464
01:54:50,080 --> 01:54:56,400
that was but I haven't heard it in in in
a year or so maybe. But it was something

1465
01:54:53,840 --> 01:55:00,960
that I wonder if anybody had any uh
recollection of.

1466
01:54:59,280 --> 01:55:02,000
No, they just like speeding on that
road.

1467
01:55:01,599 --> 01:55:07,119
» Yeah,
>> they're in a hurry.

1468
01:55:04,639 --> 01:55:12,400
» Yeah, that I mean, you're talking about,
you know, maybe speed cameras on on

1469
01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:17,280
state highways, but certainly there's
also opportunities for speed cameras on

1470
01:55:14,960 --> 01:55:20,320
on county roads, especially where there
are the big, you know, the big

1471
01:55:18,800 --> 01:55:24,560
straightaways.
Um,

1472
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:29,599
» I'm honestly curious what he's like
patrolling is like.

1473
01:55:27,599 --> 01:55:34,080
I think this has come up multiple times
in this room and we haven't really got I

1474
01:55:32,639 --> 01:55:37,920
do wish he was here today. We haven't
really gotten much of an answer from him

1475
01:55:35,760 --> 01:55:42,239
about
patrolling practices,

1476
01:55:40,159 --> 01:55:45,920
especially in some of these hot spots
around the county.

1477
01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:50,159
» That's a good question, Elsa. I feel
like Mountain View kind of funnels right

1478
01:55:47,840 --> 01:55:55,040
into the whole Leadville North area,
too. And it's the same sort of situation

1479
01:55:53,440 --> 01:56:00,320
all the way down Mountain View. It's
really hard to pull out. It's a 30 mph

1480
01:55:57,840 --> 01:56:03,599
speed limit, but nobody drives 30 on
Mountain View.

1481
01:56:02,800 --> 01:56:04,880
» I do.
>> I do.

1482
01:56:04,159 --> 01:56:08,239
» Just to be clear,
>> I do.

1483
01:56:06,480 --> 01:56:12,400
» I catch myself sometimes.
>> Low speed on this road, too, at 9.2

1484
01:56:10,159 --> 01:56:17,679
miles.
>> There's Michael around again.

1485
01:56:15,040 --> 01:56:21,760
» Holding up traffic.
>> Yeah, it's boring to go that speed on

1486
01:56:19,840 --> 01:56:25,840
that
speed.

1487
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:31,119
» Get a copy of it. We can have that.
>> Oh, perfect. Thank you.

1488
01:56:28,560 --> 01:56:36,800
» Well, one way to increase speeds is to
repave everything. So, that's next on

1489
01:56:33,679 --> 01:56:40,599
our uh agenda here, the 2026 pavement
pole repair schedule.

1490
01:56:41,360 --> 01:56:44,719
» Thank you guys so much,
>> guys. Thanks for coming.

1491
01:56:43,679 --> 01:56:48,159
» You bet.
>> Thank you so much.

1492
01:56:46,719 --> 01:56:50,239
» Thank you.
>> Yeah, I think I get out.

1493
01:56:49,440 --> 01:56:55,400
» Okay, Sean.
>> Have a good day. Appreciate you.

1494
01:56:51,840 --> 01:56:55,400
» Thank you. Thanks, Charlie.

1495
01:56:56,400 --> 01:57:04,000
Um, can we pull up the website
information on the website?

1496
01:57:02,639 --> 01:57:06,159
» The website.
>> Lake County website.

1497
01:57:05,599 --> 01:57:10,000
» Yes.
>> Lake County website.

1498
01:57:07,760 --> 01:57:13,119
» Go to the Google or the Chrome.
>> Yeah.

1499
01:57:11,440 --> 01:57:18,119
» Which one? What are we pulling up?
>> Um, go to road bridge or public works.

1500
01:57:19,840 --> 01:57:25,040
» Bridge.
>> Public works. Road bridge.

1501
01:57:25,520 --> 01:57:34,400
down the bottom is on the side for the
last tab on the left side

1502
01:57:31,679 --> 01:57:37,760
» plan
for the next five years.

1503
01:57:35,760 --> 01:57:41,199
» Could we screen share this if you guys
are looking at something I can't see?

1504
01:57:39,599 --> 01:57:44,440
» Yes. Thank you, Andy.
>> Thank you.

1505
01:57:49,679 --> 01:57:57,199
So currently everything in the light
blue color is what we're supposedly

1506
01:57:54,880 --> 01:58:00,639
doing this year until we just got cut
out from our asphalt source.

1507
01:57:59,280 --> 01:58:05,119
» Oh, really? Bummer.
>> Um because they weren't able to make

1508
01:58:02,320 --> 01:58:07,199
enough material being shut down with the
willow fire. So

1509
01:58:06,560 --> 01:58:14,800
» got it.
>> Um I'm working on backup plan of buying

1510
01:58:11,199 --> 01:58:18,880
asphalt from BV again. Um, it just means
higher price asphalt.

1511
01:58:17,280 --> 01:58:22,880
So, I haven't figured out exactly what I
have to cut out of this year right now.

1512
01:58:22,320 --> 01:58:27,840
Um,
>> our asphalt plants off of

1513
01:58:24,960 --> 01:58:32,080
» the RSA plant will not be operational.
Um, people that are out there that were

1514
01:58:30,560 --> 01:58:37,440
out there making are out there making
asphalt right now. So, it would be 3 to

1515
01:58:35,040 --> 01:58:43,920
5 million to replace that or to bring it
up to specification.

1516
01:58:39,520 --> 01:58:48,320
» No operation. So, $30,000 in there is
not going to touch it in my budget.

1517
01:58:46,480 --> 01:58:55,360
» Dang.
>> Um, but we have started county road 11

1518
01:58:51,840 --> 01:59:00,960
already. We've got the east side lane
almost to Highway 300.

1519
01:58:58,000 --> 01:59:06,880
» Um, the other side we got about 50%
before they quit making asphalt for us.

1520
01:59:04,159 --> 01:59:11,679
Um, so we will definitely finish that.
We need to get asphalt over the bridge

1521
01:59:09,520 --> 01:59:20,639
on county road 5A. The blue kind of blue
dot over on that corner of the loop.

1522
01:59:16,639 --> 01:59:25,920
» Um I would would love to do 9D and the
bottom of Mountain View cuz there are a

1523
01:59:24,080 --> 01:59:32,159
lot of traffic and they're pretty well
torn up. Mount that part of Mount View

1524
01:59:28,800 --> 01:59:39,239
was not the big project going from Mount
V from Highway 24 to um Silver Hills.

1525
01:59:41,199 --> 01:59:49,840
Once we get if we can get a lot of this
done, that ties a whole lot of

1526
01:59:46,719 --> 01:59:55,440
roads that everybody uses
100% use at some point or another. And

1527
01:59:53,040 --> 02:00:00,159
then the next few years, we can start
looking at moving into town doing

1528
01:59:58,159 --> 02:00:06,800
streets. I was just talking to Matt
earlier about writing some letters to

1529
02:00:02,320 --> 02:00:09,840
get them out to residents, utilities,
and stuff that if they're going to need

1530
02:00:08,159 --> 02:00:13,840
to put something in the road like sewer
lines, gas lines, water lines that they

1531
02:00:12,320 --> 02:00:18,000
get it done
>> before this time because they won't be

1532
02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:22,639
allowed to do it afterwards for at least
two years. Correct. Um, so we don't have

1533
02:00:21,199 --> 02:00:27,199
like what happened out here on Sixth
Street where they repaved it and the

1534
02:00:25,360 --> 02:00:31,639
next year they're kept it up or cut it
up and they're doing more of it now.

1535
02:00:32,320 --> 02:00:40,320
» So looking at
there is a legend. You probably can't

1536
02:00:36,719 --> 02:00:46,480
see it, but the next year is Red Lines.
>> Mhm. 2027.

1537
02:00:43,920 --> 02:00:50,080
And there's those streets in town, but
there's also some down towards Twin

1538
02:00:48,159 --> 02:00:54,119
Lakes and some patching down around
toward Fin Lakes.

1539
02:01:04,960 --> 02:01:09,040
The
>> room 10 down there is a big one, but I'm

1540
02:01:07,119 --> 02:01:12,320
also looking at some other options with
that one because the asphalt is actually

1541
02:01:10,480 --> 02:01:17,440
still in pretty good condition. It just
it's cracked and the cracks are sinking.

1542
02:01:15,679 --> 02:01:20,960
So, if I can get those filled up and
maybe do a couple of chip seals over the

1543
02:01:19,440 --> 02:01:22,239
top of it, kind of like we did the
airport.

1544
02:01:21,599 --> 02:01:26,639
» Yeah.
>> Um I know it's airport's coming back,

1545
02:01:24,719 --> 02:01:31,520
but that was like six or seven years
ago. Um I get some more life out of that

1546
02:01:29,760 --> 02:01:35,199
asphalt cuz it's actually good asphalt.
A lot of our asphalts are really good.

1547
02:01:33,360 --> 02:01:40,400
That's why I'm just doing overlays right
now and then come back and do um chip

1548
02:01:38,719 --> 02:01:45,440
seals over the top of them to make them
go another 10 to 15 years.

1549
02:01:43,760 --> 02:01:47,840
» And like Grand West, we've done we did
with Grand West and a bunch of those

1550
02:01:46,880 --> 02:01:50,159
roads out there
>> and they're all in really good condition

1551
02:01:49,360 --> 02:01:53,760
still. So,
>> yeah.

1552
02:01:51,360 --> 02:01:58,000
» Um
that's our plan. Um and like I said,

1553
02:01:56,239 --> 02:02:00,639
there is a legend on there someplace. I
just don't know where it is. I think

1554
02:01:59,040 --> 02:02:05,599
it's behind where the cameras are.
>> It is upper right hand corner. Um, but

1555
02:02:02,560 --> 02:02:10,480
you can see all the years broken out up
to 2030. And it also has our bridge

1556
02:02:08,800 --> 02:02:15,520
projects on there that we're supposed to
be doing. Um, this summer we're supposed

1557
02:02:13,599 --> 02:02:22,159
to be doing one for the Forest Service
up in Half Moon Creek. Um, we we're

1558
02:02:19,199 --> 02:02:26,800
supplying labor, but it's part of that
grant, too.

1559
02:02:24,159 --> 02:02:31,599
Um, I was hoping to get be able to get
two this summer, but I don't even have

1560
02:02:29,199 --> 02:02:35,480
the bridge for can't even for order yet.
I'm still waiting on engineering.

1561
02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:41,080
» So, that will probably be next to the
bridge.

1562
02:02:41,840 --> 02:02:48,639
» County Road 4 is up in the air. We just
don't know what we're going to do there.

1563
02:02:47,280 --> 02:02:51,360
» Yeah. I mean, the bridge is being
designed. It's almost to where they can

1564
02:02:50,880 --> 02:02:54,400
order it.
>> Oh, I see. if they're just working with

1565
02:02:52,880 --> 02:02:59,119
the bridge people to make sure it fits
in everything in there right now. Okay.

1566
02:02:56,400 --> 02:03:03,599
» So, the final plan should be available
to construct the bridge or to

1567
02:03:01,119 --> 02:03:07,360
manufacture it. Um I just don't know if
we'll get it in the ground this year.

1568
02:03:05,440 --> 02:03:08,639
» To clarify, that's not at the turquoise
closure,

1569
02:03:08,080 --> 02:03:14,320
» right?
>> Yeah, that is that one is still very

1570
02:03:10,639 --> 02:03:20,560
much up in the air. useful.
>> And I think um for just bigger picture,

1571
02:03:17,040 --> 02:03:24,960
this this um agenda item was I think a
commissioner bulk request and part of it

1572
02:03:22,880 --> 02:03:28,560
was to provide you all some information
as to how to respond as you're getting a

1573
02:03:26,800 --> 02:03:31,440
lot of public comment and people
reaching out to you about what's going

1574
02:03:29,760 --> 02:03:35,599
on with XYZ Road.
>> Yes. Um, one of the things that we

1575
02:03:33,360 --> 02:03:41,760
realized through one of the outreaches
is that um, for some reason the color

1576
02:03:39,199 --> 02:03:45,119
coding got turned off on this map and so
it's always been public and available

1577
02:03:43,440 --> 02:03:49,040
for people to look at the coming year's
paving plans, but um, all of the lines

1578
02:03:47,520 --> 02:03:54,320
were showing as black for some reason.
So Michael and and Ann worked with

1579
02:03:51,760 --> 02:03:58,000
Shelby to get this updated so that it's
it's showing according to the legend

1580
02:03:55,840 --> 02:04:03,520
now. So, at least gives about a fiveyear
outlook um in terms of what we're

1581
02:03:59,599 --> 02:04:07,840
planning. Um and you know, Michael kind
of referenced this, but sort of a lot of

1582
02:04:05,520 --> 02:04:11,360
headwinds going against us this year in
in terms of getting a lot of this

1583
02:04:09,360 --> 02:04:15,840
accomplished. So, the fire obviously
stalled everything that had this

1584
02:04:13,199 --> 02:04:20,400
reciprocal effect of u being able to
make asphalt. Um the the folks at United

1585
02:04:18,480 --> 02:04:25,040
companies who we have the agreement with
are working on the highway 24 projects

1586
02:04:22,400 --> 02:04:29,280
both north and south of town. Um, so
they have basically they have enough

1587
02:04:27,280 --> 02:04:32,239
asphalt to do those projects, but no
more to sell to us at the reduced rate,

1588
02:04:31,040 --> 02:04:34,880
which is kind of what our agreement
stood at. So

1589
02:04:33,040 --> 02:04:37,840
» they they did supply the contracted
amount to us. So I can't complain about

1590
02:04:36,880 --> 02:04:42,960
that.
>> They they told us that they give us

1591
02:04:39,760 --> 02:04:47,440
a,000 tons at no cost for using the
pavement material.

1592
02:04:44,560 --> 02:04:52,400
» And I could purchase more at $79 that
time instead of $95 a time. Mhm.

1593
02:04:50,000 --> 02:04:56,560
» But because they weren't able to crush
all the material they needed, um they're

1594
02:04:55,199 --> 02:05:01,280
strapped with what they can do for C
dot. So,

1595
02:04:59,440 --> 02:05:05,280
» okay.
Yeah, I guess helpful like having now

1596
02:05:02,960 --> 02:05:09,520
looked at this, you know, summer 2026
what we've planned. This is all planned

1597
02:05:07,440 --> 02:05:12,719
based on it's timely because we're
having the budget discussions for next

1598
02:05:10,880 --> 02:05:16,880
year, how much we want to put towards
paving towards, you know, across all

1599
02:05:14,800 --> 02:05:22,400
departments, but in particular as you
look at this, if it raises any questions

1600
02:05:19,840 --> 02:05:26,800
or concerns about should we be doing
more, why isn't this getting done versus

1601
02:05:24,560 --> 02:05:29,599
that, that's certainly the time if you
have any guidance for us about how you

1602
02:05:28,239 --> 02:05:34,719
would want to budget for that for this
coming year. Um we we can plug that into

1603
02:05:32,960 --> 02:05:38,080
the budget numbers that you ultimately
have presented in a couple months a

1604
02:05:36,480 --> 02:05:42,080
month and a half or so.
>> I think it's important to note that

1605
02:05:39,599 --> 02:05:47,119
because he Michael and you know road
bridge fund any money he did not spend

1606
02:05:44,560 --> 02:05:51,679
this year does not leave his fund.
>> It is still in the fund.

1607
02:05:49,199 --> 02:05:55,119
» We would just be bud. So, you know, when
you do your budget, you've got your

1608
02:05:52,880 --> 02:05:58,639
beginning fund balance, your revenue,
your expenditure, your ending fund

1609
02:05:56,880 --> 02:06:03,280
balance, and that ending fund balance
just can't be in the negative. So, I

1610
02:06:01,760 --> 02:06:08,800
feel like I should explain this because
I think there was some misunderstanding

1611
02:06:05,920 --> 02:06:13,360
of the public. Anytime we don't touch
the money in a fund, it just stays in

1612
02:06:11,119 --> 02:06:18,719
the fund and is available for use the
next year. I think there are a lot of uh

1613
02:06:15,760 --> 02:06:22,639
comments about deficit spending and
especially in the Ronin Bridge fund. If

1614
02:06:20,719 --> 02:06:28,320
something changes and we didn't get to a
certain amount of paving this year, that

1615
02:06:25,119 --> 02:06:33,440
money is available. We just plan it. We
plan to use it. We show that we plan to

1616
02:06:30,560 --> 02:06:38,960
use part of that fund balance.
It's not really deficit spending,

1617
02:06:35,360 --> 02:06:44,480
especially if you built up the reserve.
Um, which we have. We've built up the

1618
02:06:41,119 --> 02:06:48,880
reserve across many of our funds. Um, so
in terms of like the road and bridge, if

1619
02:06:46,880 --> 02:06:53,199
we plan to do more next year, you know,
based on what Michael knows he can

1620
02:06:50,400 --> 02:06:56,480
accomplish, we're okay to touch that
money we did not spend this year because

1621
02:06:54,800 --> 02:07:01,280
it's sitting in his fund available for
use. So I think that is also helpful,

1622
02:06:59,840 --> 02:07:06,000
you know, to know. It's not like, you
know, if you're in the general fund like

1623
02:07:02,880 --> 02:07:09,520
Ann's right here, she's in the general
fund. She doesn't keep a balance. That

1624
02:07:08,079 --> 02:07:14,960
rolls back up to our general fund
reserve, but it's a little different.

1625
02:07:12,239 --> 02:07:19,119
» Yeah. Candace,
>> go ahead. Go ahead, Andy.

1626
02:07:17,040 --> 02:07:26,400
» Oh, um, I was gonna say, is that like a
good talking point for um the convert

1627
02:07:22,960 --> 02:07:29,599
like converse uh questions we get as
well when people are like, "Oh, well,

1628
02:07:27,840 --> 02:07:33,840
you didn't spend any money on snow
plowing this winter, so why aren't my

1629
02:07:31,760 --> 02:07:37,119
roads getting paved?" Is that kind of
like the same way you'd want to talk

1630
02:07:35,440 --> 02:07:41,360
about that as well?
>> Yeah. I can't take money that was And

1631
02:07:39,520 --> 02:07:44,320
that's not how dual budgets work. I
can't take money that was appropriated

1632
02:07:42,880 --> 02:07:49,679
for one purpose. You guys did a
supplemental. We appropriated a certain

1633
02:07:46,159 --> 02:07:53,440
amount of money for grooming, whatever,
whatever it is you appropriated for. I

1634
02:07:51,840 --> 02:07:58,159
don't get to go plunk it in another fund
and use it for a different purpose. Uh

1635
02:07:55,760 --> 02:08:02,960
you'd have to amend the budget at that
juncture to do that. You can do that. Um

1636
02:08:01,119 --> 02:08:09,040
but if we haven't spent money on
something, it just goes right back into

1637
02:08:04,719 --> 02:08:14,960
our fund balance. So at the end of 25
um we had a couple million I can't

1638
02:08:13,199 --> 02:08:19,920
remember exact the exact amount without
looking at a fund balance for the end of

1639
02:08:16,800 --> 02:08:22,800
last year that we didn't spend and we do
that every year we bring in revenues so

1640
02:08:21,440 --> 02:08:27,199
we will plan to spend them something
changes or you know we didn't fill every

1641
02:08:25,760 --> 02:08:31,679
position we thought we would fill that
happens every year uh and then that

1642
02:08:29,440 --> 02:08:36,800
rolls back up into our savings account
and is available for use in the next

1643
02:08:33,520 --> 02:08:41,199
year should something come up that or
that we want to invest in like landfill.

1644
02:08:39,360 --> 02:08:44,679
So that I think that is important for
people to understand.

1645
02:08:45,119 --> 02:08:51,760
» So Michael, I remember last year we were
talking about your bath plant and you

1646
02:08:50,320 --> 02:08:56,239
had some machinery that you thought you
could get working on. That's not

1647
02:08:54,639 --> 02:09:01,520
happening anymore. That's not possible.
>> Um no, cuz I put like 30 grand in the

1648
02:08:58,880 --> 02:09:07,199
budget to start working on that and
start building it up. Um,

1649
02:09:05,360 --> 02:09:10,320
this asphalt contractor said he just
rebuilt one like ours and it cost him $3

1650
02:09:09,599 --> 02:09:14,560
million.
>> Got it.

1651
02:09:11,520 --> 02:09:20,159
» I I need $33 million for something else,
not an asphalt. Not saying that it's not

1652
02:09:17,360 --> 02:09:25,280
a good idea to get it that way, but you
know, I think we need a land more than

1653
02:09:22,639 --> 02:09:30,719
» Yeah. And so, in the future, where will
we get our asphalt? Um, you know, unless

1654
02:09:28,880 --> 02:09:36,239
that we have somebody using a pit close
in in the county like ours or even ACAs

1655
02:09:34,000 --> 02:09:38,480
where we can buy it from them, it's get
going out of the county to purchase it.

1656
02:09:37,920 --> 02:09:44,800
» Okay.
>> I don't like that, but

1657
02:09:41,920 --> 02:09:48,159
» it's like a two-hour trip to go to BB to
get asphalt.

1658
02:09:46,239 --> 02:09:52,560
» Wow.
>> Keep the operators.

1659
02:09:50,880 --> 02:09:56,880
You got two out right now.
>> Yeah. keeping a crew that I can help pay

1660
02:09:55,040 --> 02:09:59,599
with cuz I got two that are out sick
right now. One just got out of the

1661
02:09:58,079 --> 02:10:05,119
hospital the other day.
>> Unfortunately, the same problem I had.

1662
02:10:02,560 --> 02:10:08,880
» Um,
so it's really been really tough this

1663
02:10:06,960 --> 02:10:11,840
year to, you know, keep moving forward
with stuff. I was planning on being

1664
02:10:10,320 --> 02:10:14,639
paving by June 1st.
>> Yeah,

1665
02:10:12,400 --> 02:10:21,280
» they put it off to the 20th. They put it
off to the 1st of July and we just

1666
02:10:17,599 --> 02:10:24,560
started paving like two weeks ago. Okay.
Control part of the willow fire.

1667
02:10:23,360 --> 02:10:28,880
» Y
>> and you couldn't get to the pitch that

1668
02:10:26,239 --> 02:10:34,880
was in an evacuation zone. So they
couldn't get there.

1669
02:10:31,280 --> 02:10:37,599
» Does ACA ever make asphalt regularly or
do they need a contract from the state

1670
02:10:36,719 --> 02:10:42,079
or somebody else?
>> Um yeah. No, they make ACA makes asphalt

1671
02:10:40,239 --> 02:10:44,239
regularly but they don't make it up
here. Right.

1672
02:10:42,800 --> 02:10:49,280
» They need a contract from the state to
make it up here. Yeah.

1673
02:10:46,000 --> 02:10:52,000
» They make it all the time.
A lot of times in the winter time down

1674
02:10:51,040 --> 02:10:54,480
there, too.
>> Yes.

1675
02:10:53,440 --> 02:10:59,480
» Where we can
>> they just like to know in advance how

1676
02:10:56,480 --> 02:10:59,480
much.

1677
02:11:00,079 --> 02:11:05,520
» Wow. That's two trucks every two hours
trying to pave.

1678
02:11:04,159 --> 02:11:10,920
» Yeah. Miles of road.
>> And if I only have two drivers, that's a

1679
02:11:07,679 --> 02:11:10,920
long day.

1680
02:11:11,119 --> 02:11:15,840
» Goodness,
>> that is slow.

1681
02:11:12,719 --> 02:11:19,760
» So, this week we're not paving. Um, we
plan to pick it up next week, but then

1682
02:11:17,920 --> 02:11:25,800
the following week, the guys are out of
town at a conference.

1683
02:11:21,679 --> 02:11:25,800
» I'm staying in town, but

1684
02:11:26,880 --> 02:11:31,440
» Wow.
>> It's hard to believe that it's September

1685
02:11:30,000 --> 02:11:34,719
already,
>> is it?

1686
02:11:32,239 --> 02:11:40,960
» I did also,
>> um, also on the website there, there are

1687
02:11:37,119 --> 02:11:44,719
service requests. There's a a place you
can go to service request. Mhm.

1688
02:11:42,800 --> 02:11:48,719
» Anybody can put a service request in
anytime. If there's a pothole that needs

1689
02:11:46,480 --> 02:11:53,599
to be filled that we don't see because
we didn't drive that road for a while.

1690
02:11:51,840 --> 02:11:59,440
» Um, put a service request in. It's
trackable so I can make sure that the

1691
02:11:56,000 --> 02:12:04,159
guys get it done. Um, I know we do that
a lot people putting requests.

1692
02:12:02,000 --> 02:12:06,320
» Where where's the service request? On
the website.

1693
02:12:04,719 --> 02:12:09,199
» It's on Yeah, it's under public works.
>> Okay.

1694
02:12:06,960 --> 02:12:13,599
» And actually, there's a bunch of tabs
all over for that service request.

1695
02:12:11,280 --> 02:12:17,440
» Got it. It's on the first page where the
departments are. I think it's underneath

1696
02:12:15,360 --> 02:12:20,239
public works, but it's clickable there.
>> Okay.

1697
02:12:18,639 --> 02:12:24,000
» Well, cool. That's good information.
That's that's great.

1698
02:12:21,920 --> 02:12:26,639
» And you know, maybe we weren't plowing
this winter, but we were doing a lot of

1699
02:12:25,840 --> 02:12:32,079
potholes.
>> Um, we did do a lot of other work like

1700
02:12:29,280 --> 02:12:37,360
signage
um all over the county.

1701
02:12:34,880 --> 02:12:41,679
» That wasn't Oh, I'm sorry. That wasn't
me saying that. That was just questions

1702
02:12:39,280 --> 02:12:43,440
I get from the the community. I know you
guys were working your butts off all

1703
02:12:43,040 --> 02:12:47,040
winter.
>> We we had several people call us on

1704
02:12:45,679 --> 02:12:52,560
that.
>> Yeah.

1705
02:12:48,400 --> 02:12:55,760
» Do you guys re use that rock uh
the stuff from Wyoming that comes in a

1706
02:12:54,239 --> 02:12:59,679
bag? Is it called rock sal?
>> Rock asphalt.

1707
02:12:57,440 --> 02:13:01,599
» We we do have we have been using some of
that especially in the winter time.

1708
02:13:01,119 --> 02:13:05,679
» Yeah.
>> Gets kind of expensive. I can get you

1709
02:13:03,840 --> 02:13:09,360
know stuff cheaper in Denver.
>> Yeah. But I like that because it's got a

1710
02:13:08,000 --> 02:13:14,000
three-year warranty and I'm waiting to
use that threeear warranty up there. But

1711
02:13:11,920 --> 02:13:19,840
it seems like the asphalt keeps breaking
out around that and not that material.

1712
02:13:17,760 --> 02:13:22,800
» Would that work well in the cracks on
the millboard?

1713
02:13:21,840 --> 02:13:26,639
» Um it could
>> rock asphalt. How do you apply it? Do

1714
02:13:25,119 --> 02:13:30,400
you just shovel it in
>> and then tamp it down? Um you don't have

1715
02:13:28,719 --> 02:13:33,280
to do anything else with that cuz it's
asphalt. It's rock. It's impregnated

1716
02:13:32,480 --> 02:13:36,159
with asphalt.
>> Yeah.

1717
02:13:33,760 --> 02:13:40,480
» Naturally. And they they mine it with
that in there. And so it sets up really

1718
02:13:39,840 --> 02:13:47,119
nice.
>> They did the big one by Grand West

1719
02:13:45,199 --> 02:13:52,320
sign in Grand West in the highway.
>> Big one.

1720
02:13:49,360 --> 02:13:57,800
» The Rockwell guy put that out there.
Filled that hole for a test.

1721
02:13:58,480 --> 02:14:05,119
» Yeah. He's proud of us.
>> He is. Do you do you guys remember about

1722
02:14:02,800 --> 02:14:08,159
how much that was a bag and what kind of
minimums were needed to order a batch of

1723
02:14:07,199 --> 02:14:14,480
that?
>> Um, it cost me for um a China cost me

1724
02:14:12,079 --> 02:14:19,119
$1,700.
But that I don't pay shipping on that or

1725
02:14:16,719 --> 02:14:23,760
anything where if I go to Denver to get
15 tons, it's about $2,000

1726
02:14:21,840 --> 02:14:26,560
and we go through 15 tons pretty quick
and it comes back out. We replace it.

1727
02:14:25,520 --> 02:14:31,760
» Pick that up.
>> We have to pick it up. Mhm. So, got an

1728
02:14:29,040 --> 02:14:35,840
operator on the truck.
>> So, it's one ton for 1,700 or 15 tons

1729
02:14:34,960 --> 02:14:40,560
for
>> three grand, something like that.

1730
02:14:38,079 --> 02:14:43,360
» Wow. What are we going to do?
>> We go to Denver quite a bit.

1731
02:14:42,079 --> 02:14:47,520
» Yeah.
>> And it comes in bags.

1732
02:14:45,040 --> 02:14:50,239
» Um Yeah, that does. We, you know, um
they deliver it that way.

1733
02:14:48,960 --> 02:14:55,280
» Wow.
>> And it it shovels out. I'm not quite

1734
02:14:53,599 --> 02:14:58,719
sure how the mechanics of it work.
>> Yeah. because you can shovel it out of

1735
02:14:57,040 --> 02:15:01,040
the bag under the ground and then pack
it and it's it's back in there.

1736
02:15:00,320 --> 02:15:04,079
» That's cool.
>> And we were told not to use any

1737
02:15:02,560 --> 02:15:07,599
mechanical
>> means of doing it like compactor or

1738
02:15:07,119 --> 02:15:12,159
anything.
>> Wow.

1739
02:15:10,000 --> 02:15:15,119
» Would that work on somebody's dirt
driveway? Could you spread it out?

1740
02:15:13,599 --> 02:15:18,639
» I don't know. You probably could. It
might be a little bit expensive to get

1741
02:15:16,639 --> 02:15:22,400
here, but I mean that's what they use in
Texas on their highways, so they just

1742
02:15:20,960 --> 02:15:26,440
roll it out on the highway.
>> Wow. Cool.

1743
02:15:32,320 --> 02:15:39,360
» Well, great. Thank you for the updates.
Anybody else have questions for

1744
02:15:37,040 --> 02:15:43,119
» Roaden Bridge?
>> No questions for me. It's one of my

1745
02:15:41,280 --> 02:15:48,159
favorite subjects, though. Just going to
say that.

1746
02:15:45,920 --> 02:15:53,760
» I will say that County Road 10 coming
off the Twin Lakes is rugged.

1747
02:15:51,199 --> 02:15:58,079
» It is. And I I don't like driving that
one no more myself. I usually take 24.

1748
02:15:56,639 --> 02:16:01,760
Even though it's got some bad spots,
too. And that's why on the on the map

1749
02:15:59,760 --> 02:16:05,520
it's got some patches on it, too.
They're hard to places that are pretty

1750
02:16:03,440 --> 02:16:09,360
bad.
>> I have a question that's not road

1751
02:16:07,760 --> 02:16:12,960
related. Just since you're here,
Michael,

1752
02:16:10,880 --> 02:16:15,360
um do you think it's possible like that
Dutch Henry project will happen this

1753
02:16:14,560 --> 02:16:19,679
year?
>> I'm pushing it really hard.

1754
02:16:16,719 --> 02:16:23,280
» Okay. He's working on the permit for the
um

1755
02:16:21,840 --> 02:16:26,280
core of engineers right now.
>> Okay.

1756
02:16:26,719 --> 02:16:30,800
» I've already checked that the pipe is
still available at ACA.

1757
02:16:30,159 --> 02:16:34,319
» Great.
>> They'll deliver it and we just have to

1758
02:16:32,319 --> 02:16:36,880
install it as soon as we get the permit.
>> That's awesome.

1759
02:16:35,120 --> 02:16:40,000
» That's something that could happen
later, you know, even in October as long

1760
02:16:38,800 --> 02:16:45,439
as it doesn't freeze up.
>> Yeah. And it's just we've been trying to

1761
02:16:42,000 --> 02:16:49,519
make it happen so that the college the
construction comes in the first semester

1762
02:16:48,319 --> 02:16:50,399
» can help work on that.
>> Yeah.

1763
02:16:49,760 --> 02:16:53,519
» Right.
>> That's great.

1764
02:16:51,679 --> 02:16:58,559
» That would be great. That would just
that would be so awesome.

1765
02:16:55,040 --> 02:17:02,719
» I met with Ben about it last week and
updated him on the

1766
02:17:01,920 --> 02:17:04,800
» Thanks y'all.
>> And the permit. We just don't know when

1767
02:17:04,479 --> 02:17:10,240
when
>> Yeah. Then he'll go.

1768
02:17:08,000 --> 02:17:17,679
» We'll just wait. Okay.
>> I mean, could we ask a

1769
02:17:13,359 --> 02:17:21,200
representative or senator to check in on
that and push it along?

1770
02:17:18,880 --> 02:17:23,760
» Yeah. Do you have any relationships
you'd like to

1771
02:17:22,160 --> 02:17:26,240
» Yeah. I mean, Britney Patterson's up
here all the time.

1772
02:17:24,880 --> 02:17:29,200
» They're constantly like, "What can we
do? How can we help everybody?"

1773
02:17:27,599 --> 02:17:32,800
» Yeah.
>> Um,

1774
02:17:31,200 --> 02:17:37,599
who's it with? Who's the the Army Corp
of Engineers is with the

1775
02:17:35,359 --> 02:17:39,280
the State Department? No,
>> it's

1776
02:17:38,719 --> 02:17:43,120
» Army.
>> No, I know the state. Sorry. Which

1777
02:17:41,599 --> 02:17:45,599
department in the federal government?
>> Department of Defense.

1778
02:17:44,319 --> 02:17:49,280
» Yeah,
>> I was close, y'all. State Department's

1779
02:17:47,599 --> 02:17:52,080
pretty close.
>> Department of Defense.

1780
02:17:50,319 --> 02:17:55,519
» Isn't that the Department of War?
>> Yeah.

1781
02:17:52,800 --> 02:17:59,040
» Absolutely not. Absolutely not.
>> Something like that.

1782
02:17:56,639 --> 02:18:02,080
» Department
offices in Canyon City.

1783
02:18:00,960 --> 02:18:06,240
» Oh, really?
>> Yeah. They have like one person, one to

1784
02:18:04,319 --> 02:18:09,200
two people that work there. That's why
it takes so long to go through all the

1785
02:18:08,479 --> 02:18:16,080
permitting.
>> It's really capacity issues. It's hard.

1786
02:18:12,399 --> 02:18:19,679
» We have to work with them all the time.
>> They're just under a lot of capacity

1787
02:18:17,679 --> 02:18:22,960
constraints.
>> Oh, I think that's a great idea to reach

1788
02:18:21,359 --> 02:18:27,439
out to Britney.
>> Yeah, I was going to ask Bennett.

1789
02:18:26,319 --> 02:18:31,280
» Oh, Michael Bennett.
>> Just cuz Delaney is up there. Okay,

1790
02:18:29,599 --> 02:18:35,439
whoever. Does it matter who I ask?
>> Doesn't ask them all. Can you send me

1791
02:18:33,519 --> 02:18:39,200
the permit number so I can be really
explicit?

1792
02:18:38,000 --> 02:18:43,760
» They go around.
>> Great idea, Elsa.

1793
02:18:41,040 --> 02:18:50,960
» Also, maybe it would impel him to like
get more funding to that department,

1794
02:18:47,120 --> 02:18:55,200
too, you know. Okay, cool. If you could
get me the permit number, I'll reach

1795
02:18:52,960 --> 02:18:58,359
out.
Thank you.

1796
02:18:58,800 --> 02:19:05,679
And I'll cite our seasonal
trickiness

1797
02:19:03,760 --> 02:19:09,760
» and how the timeline
>> our time. Yeah. Snow makes us

1798
02:19:08,080 --> 02:19:11,359
» months of three construction months a
year.

1799
02:19:10,080 --> 02:19:14,960
» Yeah.
>> And hopefully that's true this year. I

1800
02:19:13,439 --> 02:19:19,519
don't want to say that, but hopefully we
get more snow this year.

1801
02:19:17,920 --> 02:19:23,200
It could also be helpful to site the
partnership between CMC because we're

1802
02:19:21,359 --> 02:19:27,359
intending to do the cowork installation
but then we have like a whole student

1803
02:19:25,120 --> 02:19:32,880
program it's going to help up the dirt
work so on workforce development

1804
02:19:31,840 --> 02:19:37,719
» on it.
>> Brilliant.

1805
02:19:34,319 --> 02:19:37,719
» Thank you Elsa.

1806
02:19:38,000 --> 02:19:42,960
» All right keep your head up bridge.
>> Oh yeah.

1807
02:19:42,319 --> 02:19:46,439
This is right.
>> Thanks and w

1808
02:19:46,719 --> 02:19:54,000
can't imagine miles.
>> I don't I don't I don't question it at

1809
02:19:51,760 --> 02:19:57,680
all because I almost get rear ended
every time I go to check con.

1810
02:19:56,000 --> 02:20:01,840
» I don't either. It's right outside of
Safeway. I think it was probably a

1811
02:19:59,920 --> 02:20:08,800
sheriff's truck. I've been in an
emergency but between the stoplight on

1812
02:20:06,319 --> 02:20:12,120
the highway and Harrison Avenue, they
were going to

1813
02:20:12,479 --> 02:20:15,800
That's scary.

1814
02:20:17,760 --> 02:20:22,640
» We have 10 minutes before the next topic
if

1815
02:20:20,319 --> 02:20:27,479
» Yeah. Should we take a little uh
>> point of privilege?

1816
02:20:23,920 --> 02:20:27,479
» Great. That's great.

1817
02:20:30,080 --> 02:20:36,760
» All right. We'll be back at 1:30.
>> Thank you, staff.

1818
02:20:43,120 --> 02:20:50,080
Shall we continue?
>> Item number two,

1819
02:20:48,399 --> 02:20:54,640
overview and discussion regarding the
Lake County Gateway Mobility Plan. This

1820
02:20:52,560 --> 02:20:57,520
will be led by Ann Schneider, our
community planning and development

1821
02:20:55,920 --> 02:21:02,240
director.
>> Thank you so much. Um so in the packet

1822
02:21:00,319 --> 02:21:08,880
of information that we provided you this
is kind of a legacy project um that was

1823
02:21:05,920 --> 02:21:13,439
championed by um the previous board of
county commissioners Jeff Beer. So, you

1824
02:21:10,960 --> 02:21:18,560
know, we've actually invited Jeff in to
kind of just educate us on kind of what

1825
02:21:15,840 --> 02:21:25,280
the thoughts were that informed applying
for this grant and, you know, largely it

1826
02:21:21,840 --> 02:21:29,200
was um wanted to be utilized and
leveraged to be able to kind of have a

1827
02:21:26,720 --> 02:21:36,960
seat at the table um and be competitive
to get our projects in line with COT. Um

1828
02:21:33,520 --> 02:21:41,040
uh Jeff mentioned noticing that um a
substantial amount of planning work

1829
02:21:38,479 --> 02:21:48,479
needs to be done in order to be
competitive um for range planning um

1830
02:21:45,040 --> 02:21:53,840
with CDOT. And so, um, in applying the
for the grant, we were awarded roughly

1831
02:21:50,720 --> 02:21:59,359
just a little over $933,000
to do this this planning work, um,

1832
02:21:56,319 --> 02:22:05,280
that's really been focused on safety and
mobility, some um, traffic calming in

1833
02:22:03,120 --> 02:22:10,240
um, our gateway areas both at the
intersection of 91 and 24, as well as

1834
02:22:07,920 --> 02:22:18,479
extending down into our busiest county
intersection at County Road um, 17 and

1835
02:22:14,080 --> 02:22:23,600
Popular. um looking at um kind of
connecting um increasing safety and

1836
02:22:21,120 --> 02:22:29,120
connecting our communities um in the
Mountain Valley estates east and west

1837
02:22:26,640 --> 02:22:38,720
and then looking at our um southern
entrance into the community at McQuey

1838
02:22:31,920 --> 02:22:42,720
and um Highway 24 South as well as um
the potential there was kind of an

1839
02:22:40,319 --> 02:22:48,800
add-on and we've had a lot of discussion
for several years about funding and

1840
02:22:46,080 --> 02:22:54,880
creating a bypass road to take off the
pressures of our downtown main street

1841
02:22:52,000 --> 02:22:58,640
area and just all of the associated
safety concerns that we have in that

1842
02:22:56,640 --> 02:23:06,319
area. So this study also looked at the
possibility of looking at um adding that

1843
02:23:03,439 --> 02:23:12,960
connectivity in different locations in
and around um the county and the city of

1844
02:23:09,439 --> 02:23:17,760
where could we potentially uh create a
effective bypass. Um so that just kind

1845
02:23:15,680 --> 02:23:24,000
of leads into a little bit of the
history and why. So, we're at a point

1846
02:23:20,240 --> 02:23:30,319
that uh we've engaged with uh DJNA as
our consultant to our traffic experts

1847
02:23:26,800 --> 02:23:35,040
and Bill uh Delo is here with us today
um to just present to you the outcome of

1848
02:23:33,359 --> 02:23:41,040
the feasibility study that was
contracted. Um once we get through that

1849
02:23:38,560 --> 02:23:45,120
presentation um with Bill leading that
we're going to talk a little bit about

1850
02:23:42,960 --> 02:23:49,840
we have a surplus of funds left actually
a considerable amount of surplus of

1851
02:23:47,120 --> 02:23:58,960
funds left um that we can utilize then
to go into um what we've got proposed is

1852
02:23:54,000 --> 02:24:03,439
is uh some future um uh work that would
make us even more competitive that we're

1853
02:24:00,720 --> 02:24:09,040
hopeful in um contending for being in
the running to get on C do DOT schedule

1854
02:24:06,399 --> 02:24:13,840
for these improvements um within our
community. So, we're going to talk about

1855
02:24:10,560 --> 02:24:20,319
that. We'll jump back in. Um but unless
you have any questions for staff, I'd

1856
02:24:16,880 --> 02:24:26,720
love to turn it over to Bill and let him
walk us through the um outcome of the

1857
02:24:22,880 --> 02:24:33,280
feasibility study thus far.
>> Yeah. Um this is also part funded by

1858
02:24:30,720 --> 02:24:38,319
GPR. So, that's very important thing to
get in front of them. Um funding is

1859
02:24:36,080 --> 02:24:46,000
planning to move forward with
implementation. So we are see to

1860
02:24:44,880 --> 02:24:51,439
move this forward.
>> Right. And um I think that Mark talked

1861
02:24:48,399 --> 02:24:56,319
about this with you when he did
that's joining us now. You know just

1862
02:24:52,960 --> 02:25:00,479
we've been working um with him to just
kind of understand the history of the

1863
02:24:58,160 --> 02:25:03,920
work and and where we're at and and kind
of next steps. So we'll be sharing that

1864
02:25:02,240 --> 02:25:10,359
afterwards. So, thank you, Michael, for
that and bringing that kind of into the

1865
02:25:07,359 --> 02:25:10,359
equation.

1866
02:25:11,439 --> 02:25:20,399
» Welcome, guys.
Go ahead, whoever's first.

1867
02:25:17,359 --> 02:25:25,520
» Great. Thank you. Yes, as Ann mentioned,
Bill DLO with DJNA and I'll be walking

1868
02:25:22,479 --> 02:25:29,040
through a presentation here shortly that
provides an overview of the planning

1869
02:25:26,960 --> 02:25:33,680
work we've done to date on the gateways
mobility study. Um, with me today I have

1870
02:25:31,439 --> 02:25:38,960
Mike Dagler who's also with DJNA. He was
our lead engineer um on the project and

1871
02:25:36,240 --> 02:25:44,399
so he'll be here and available to help
me answer any questions that you might

1872
02:25:40,720 --> 02:25:49,840
have um after we present. I do need to
get um permission to share my

1873
02:25:47,920 --> 02:25:52,160
presentation.
>> Okay.

1874
02:25:50,720 --> 02:25:55,160
» Absolutely.
>> Yeah.

1875
02:25:55,439 --> 02:26:01,000
» Okay. You should have permission.
>> All right.

1876
02:26:05,280 --> 02:26:13,520
Okay.
So, yes, once again, thanks um for the

1877
02:26:10,560 --> 02:26:18,000
opportunity to be here today and present
uh on the gateways mobility plan. uh

1878
02:26:16,240 --> 02:26:22,560
really happy to share the uh the work
that we've been doing uh on this project

1879
02:26:20,240 --> 02:26:27,439
with you all and talk a little bit about
the the recommendations and then that'll

1880
02:26:24,640 --> 02:26:33,040
certainly set the stage more for Ann and
team to talk a bit more about the

1881
02:26:29,439 --> 02:26:37,120
potential next steps on the project.
So start off provide an overview of the

1882
02:26:35,359 --> 02:26:41,920
study objectives. There were three
primary objectives um as part of this

1883
02:26:39,200 --> 02:26:47,120
study. first was identifying uh
potential multimodal improvements that

1884
02:26:43,840 --> 02:26:50,960
would serve uh users of all ages uh and
abilities and we focus in as Ann

1885
02:26:49,520 --> 02:26:56,479
mentioned and we'll walk through in the
presentation three areas um within the

1886
02:26:54,080 --> 02:27:01,680
county and within the city of Leadville
um as uh particular um locations of need

1887
02:26:59,920 --> 02:27:06,479
u where we really focused our study
efforts. We evaluated and uh then

1888
02:27:04,720 --> 02:27:11,520
recommended different alternatives for
each one of these locations really to

1889
02:27:08,479 --> 02:27:16,880
address the needs that were identified
through our technical analysis as well

1890
02:27:13,920 --> 02:27:20,479
as the needs that were identified uh by
the community through the engagement

1891
02:27:18,479 --> 02:27:26,240
effort uh that we undertook as part of
this process. And we up to this date

1892
02:27:23,439 --> 02:27:30,479
have prepared uh very conceptual level
uh diagrams for the preferred

1893
02:27:28,000 --> 02:27:35,840
alternatives in each location. and we'll
be walking through um each of those um

1894
02:27:33,920 --> 02:27:39,600
preferred concepts here within the
presentation.

1895
02:27:37,439 --> 02:27:45,359
So, as we mentioned, there were four
distinct uh focus areas for this study.

1896
02:27:42,640 --> 02:27:49,280
Uh first was up in Mountain View Village
northwest of town uh in that location.

1897
02:27:48,000 --> 02:27:54,240
We'll walk through some of the
challenges in in that area, but the

1898
02:27:51,200 --> 02:27:59,680
community is biseected by US 24. So it
creates challenges in terms of uh being

1899
02:27:56,640 --> 02:28:04,479
able to uh cross the highway to get from
one part of the community to the other

1900
02:28:01,600 --> 02:28:08,319
and being able to do so in a in a safe
manner. Uh we also looked at the

1901
02:28:06,560 --> 02:28:13,680
northern gateway area. This is the area
around Safeway and then as US 24

1902
02:28:10,800 --> 02:28:19,040
continues up to the intersection uh with
Highway 91. Third, we looked at the

1903
02:28:17,200 --> 02:28:24,240
Colorado Mountain College area,
specifically the intersection of US 24

1904
02:28:21,280 --> 02:28:28,880
with College Road and McQuei. Uh, this
is a location where there's an existing

1905
02:28:26,160 --> 02:28:32,479
crosswalk, uh, rapid flashing beacon.
Uh, but there's still challenges with

1906
02:28:30,800 --> 02:28:37,439
people being able to cross the highway
safely. Uh, we do, um, and heard through

1907
02:28:35,280 --> 02:28:42,640
the community engagement observations
around um, high traffic speeds along US

1908
02:28:40,240 --> 02:28:46,000
24 in this location. uh and there are a
lot of challenges with the sanitation

1909
02:28:44,160 --> 02:28:50,800
district dump station located near the
intersection and queuing that's

1910
02:28:47,520 --> 02:28:55,200
generated uh by that facility. And then
as Ann noted, the the fourth component

1911
02:28:52,800 --> 02:29:00,080
of this study was uh taking an initial
look and evaluating the potential

1912
02:28:57,280 --> 02:29:07,240
feasibility for uh an alternative truck
bypass route that would help to reduce

1913
02:29:02,960 --> 02:29:07,240
uh truck volumes through downtown.

1914
02:29:07,520 --> 02:29:14,160
So, starting off in the Mountain View
Village area, uh walk through each of

1915
02:29:12,080 --> 02:29:18,479
the the four project areas. We'll talk a
little bit about existing conditions in

1916
02:29:16,080 --> 02:29:23,200
each location and then the uh potential
recommendations uh for each location

1917
02:29:20,640 --> 02:29:27,680
after that. So, with Mountain View
Village, as I mentioned earlier, US 24

1918
02:29:25,439 --> 02:29:30,479
bisects the community. So, you have
about half the twothirds of the

1919
02:29:29,280 --> 02:29:35,520
community on the west side of the
highway and another third of it on the

1920
02:29:32,399 --> 02:29:40,720
east side. there's no uh designated p
pedestrian crossing uh across the

1921
02:29:37,920 --> 02:29:43,920
highway. So uh residents if they want to
get from one side of the community to

1922
02:29:42,160 --> 02:29:48,319
the other are kind of on their own for
crossing the highway where wherever they

1923
02:29:45,920 --> 02:29:52,000
may want to. Uh and as you can see from
the exhibit, there's a a pretty good

1924
02:29:50,160 --> 02:29:56,160
curve in the highway that limits
visibility both for drivers and

1925
02:29:53,840 --> 02:30:01,359
pedestrians. Uh so it doesn't make that
crossing of the highway um very easy or

1926
02:29:58,560 --> 02:30:04,800
very safe. Additionally, one item that
was highlighted through the engagement

1927
02:30:02,800 --> 02:30:08,640
and through our analysis is there's a
fair number of people who would like to

1928
02:30:06,240 --> 02:30:13,760
be able to walk or bike into town and
there's no existing facilities along uh

1929
02:30:11,120 --> 02:30:18,160
highway 24 to make that connection. So,
a lot of people currently today walk in

1930
02:30:16,479 --> 02:30:22,200
the uh the shoulder of the highway in
the dirt adjacent to the pavement.

1931
02:30:24,399 --> 02:30:29,760
So, we looked at several different
options for this location in terms of

1932
02:30:27,920 --> 02:30:35,439
being able to address the uh the
crossing with pedestrians. Um reviewed

1933
02:30:32,560 --> 02:30:40,240
these options as well um with C dot just
for an initial kind of gut reaction uh

1934
02:30:38,080 --> 02:30:43,680
to the potential for different um
improvements. So, I'll walk through them

1935
02:30:41,920 --> 02:30:48,160
and talk about what some of the uh the
potential next steps would be here. So,

1936
02:30:46,479 --> 02:30:52,000
the first item that we looked at or
first option that we looked at was would

1937
02:30:49,760 --> 02:30:57,200
be an atgrade crossing. So, this would
end up having a marked crosswalk that

1938
02:30:55,040 --> 02:31:01,760
would connect uh the two sides of the
community together, which we've shown

1939
02:30:59,040 --> 02:31:06,560
here in about the middle of the exhibit.
Uh this crosswalk, you know, in and of

1940
02:31:04,319 --> 02:31:11,520
itself can exist on it own its own. It
needs some sort of um protection,

1941
02:31:09,680 --> 02:31:16,399
traffic control of some sort given the
volumes on the highway and the uh the

1942
02:31:13,600 --> 02:31:21,840
speed of traffic. So, we've identified
that that crosswalk could either be

1943
02:31:18,560 --> 02:31:26,399
controlled by a um rapid flashing
beacon, which is similar to what is in

1944
02:31:23,920 --> 02:31:30,800
place along US 24 down by Colorado
Mountain College today, or what's called

1945
02:31:28,640 --> 02:31:36,160
a pedestrian hybrid beacon, which is the
the overhead lights that turn uh solid

1946
02:31:33,840 --> 02:31:39,760
red and then flashing red uh when
pedestrians are are crossing uh a

1947
02:31:38,479 --> 02:31:44,319
particular crosswalk in the
intersection. So we've talked about uh

1948
02:31:42,080 --> 02:31:48,080
those different treatments with C dot a
few of the items that they highlighted

1949
02:31:46,240 --> 02:31:53,200
um for these to be feasible. One would
be um changing and kind of communicating

1950
02:31:50,960 --> 02:31:57,200
a bit of a change in the uh the highway
environment. So having drivers expect

1951
02:31:55,439 --> 02:32:02,240
that there might be pedestrians in this
location. So, also on this exhibit,

1952
02:31:59,840 --> 02:32:06,880
you'll see we've shown locations in
orange here for new sidewalks. Um, in

1953
02:32:04,960 --> 02:32:11,120
kind of the pink or purple color here in
the the middle where we would have a new

1954
02:32:08,880 --> 02:32:14,800
median, raised median that would be
present in the highway and then a

1955
02:32:12,880 --> 02:32:20,000
sidewalk on the uh the east side of the
highway as well to communicate to

1956
02:32:17,120 --> 02:32:24,399
drivers hopefully slow traffic as well
uh but to anticipate that there may be

1957
02:32:22,240 --> 02:32:29,280
uh pedestrians and then that crossing
device may be activated. In addition to

1958
02:32:27,439 --> 02:32:33,280
those treatments in those locations, we
also have proposed in this concept uh

1959
02:32:31,600 --> 02:32:37,920
fencing along the south side of the
highway to direct pedestrians to cross

1960
02:32:36,000 --> 02:32:42,880
at the crosswalk so that they utilize
that infrastructure u for the purpose

1961
02:32:40,319 --> 02:32:47,840
that it was implemented for. Uh and then
additional signing both um westbound and

1962
02:32:45,680 --> 02:32:52,080
eastbound on Highway 24 in advance of
the crossing to alert drivers to the

1963
02:32:50,160 --> 02:32:57,600
presence of the crossing. uh and then
also to activate ahead of time those

1964
02:32:54,640 --> 02:33:03,600
signs, those warning signs when there's
a pedestrian in the crosswalk. So that's

1965
02:33:00,640 --> 02:33:09,439
option one really identified as a lower
cost and nearer term uh improvement.

1966
02:33:06,560 --> 02:33:14,080
Option two for this location was uh
identified as the potential for an

1967
02:33:11,040 --> 02:33:18,640
underpass under US 24. So here on the
east side of the community, the the

1968
02:33:16,319 --> 02:33:23,120
highway starts to generally and
gradually go up in elevation and so

1969
02:33:21,040 --> 02:33:27,680
there's opportunity to potentially put
in an underpass underneath the highway

1970
02:33:25,680 --> 02:33:32,960
using kind of the the natural grade of
the terrain in this location. Uh and

1971
02:33:30,240 --> 02:33:37,600
then we would have a grade separated or
separated pedestrian crossing under the

1972
02:33:35,040 --> 02:33:42,720
highway to be able to connect uh the two
communities together. Within the plan,

1973
02:33:39,840 --> 02:33:46,880
we identified this uh undercrossing. You
know, certainly acknowledged it as a

1974
02:33:44,640 --> 02:33:51,439
more expensive option and something that
could be uh analyze potentially more as

1975
02:33:49,120 --> 02:33:54,439
a long-term improvement for this
location.

1976
02:33:54,560 --> 02:33:59,439
And then the uh the other item that I'll
identify here in terms of

1977
02:33:57,760 --> 02:34:05,439
recommendations is down here in the
green is a new multi-use path that would

1978
02:34:02,560 --> 02:34:10,399
connect the uh Mountain View Village
down to the northern gateway area. And

1979
02:34:07,840 --> 02:34:14,080
as we go through a few slides um here
further into the presentation we'll

1980
02:34:12,000 --> 02:34:19,040
provide a little bit more detail but we
are showing the uh the connection for

1981
02:34:15,760 --> 02:34:23,359
that and then both options both the uh
at grade crossing with the sidewalks or

1982
02:34:21,280 --> 02:34:29,000
the underpass would then connect both
sides of the community to that that

1983
02:34:25,359 --> 02:34:29,000
multi-use pathway.

1984
02:34:30,399 --> 02:34:37,439
Right. So then we jump down to the
northern gateway areas. We mentioned

1985
02:34:34,080 --> 02:34:42,560
this area covers um the area here um
Mountain View Drive by the Safeway

1986
02:34:40,080 --> 02:34:45,840
» up along US 24.
>> Okay, just

1987
02:34:43,439 --> 02:34:50,160
» I will die. Thank you.
>> Sorry. All right.

1988
02:34:47,280 --> 02:34:55,439
» No, no problem. Um and then up here to
the intersection uh with Highway 91

1989
02:34:53,359 --> 02:35:00,399
within the uh the concepts and as we
walk through these other concepts um C

1990
02:34:57,600 --> 02:35:05,359
DOT did share the concept plan for the
roundabout at that intersection of uh US

1991
02:35:03,280 --> 02:35:10,640
24 and Highway 91. And so we've
superimposed that initial concept um

1992
02:35:08,080 --> 02:35:13,600
onto our plans just so we can make sure
that we were planning with the the

1993
02:35:12,240 --> 02:35:17,600
ultimate configuration of that
intersection and didn't propose anything

1994
02:35:15,600 --> 02:35:23,359
that potentially conflicted with with C
do DOT's plan in that location. So, US

1995
02:35:21,120 --> 02:35:28,800
24 and the the intersections here today
are very autooriented uh very much

1996
02:35:26,080 --> 02:35:33,600
focused on serving automobile traffic,
but the uh character of this uh area

1997
02:35:31,600 --> 02:35:38,880
within town is changing quite a bit with
the railard development going to bring a

1998
02:35:35,920 --> 02:35:43,840
lot significant number of new residents
to this area, a lot more pedestrian and

1999
02:35:40,960 --> 02:35:49,200
bike activity. And so we focused uh our
recommendations and concepts around

2000
02:35:46,880 --> 02:35:53,600
serving those uh additional uh
pedestrians and cyclists that will be

2001
02:35:50,800 --> 02:35:57,359
coming with the new development. We also
um spent some focused time on the

2002
02:35:55,680 --> 02:36:01,760
existing bus stop that's currently
located um kind of within the uh the

2003
02:35:59,920 --> 02:36:06,880
drive aisle or parking lot for the uh
Safeway and looking at ways to enhance

2004
02:36:04,720 --> 02:36:11,680
that bus stop, relocate it and put in a
location that where more amenities could

2005
02:36:09,200 --> 02:36:16,319
be provided for riders and it would be
uh more accessible for uh individuals

2006
02:36:14,399 --> 02:36:22,560
especially from the intersection of
Mountain View Drive and US 24.

2007
02:36:20,479 --> 02:36:26,240
So, this slide shows uh some of the
proposed improvements. We have the in

2008
02:36:24,479 --> 02:36:31,040
green here, the multi-use path
connecting in from the the south side of

2009
02:36:28,160 --> 02:36:35,840
US 24 in Mountain View Village. There is
an existing sidewalk along the west side

2010
02:36:33,520 --> 02:36:40,479
of the roadway here um which we have
identified could potentially be widened

2011
02:36:38,160 --> 02:36:44,319
um to the full width of a multi-use path
at least 10 feet wide to provide for

2012
02:36:42,560 --> 02:36:49,120
two-way traffic for cyclists and
pedestrians. We then identified a series

2013
02:36:47,439 --> 02:36:53,840
of improvements at the intersection,
mostly focused on enhancing the existing

2014
02:36:51,680 --> 02:36:58,319
crosswalks, either adding additional
crosswalks or refreshing the striping on

2015
02:36:55,920 --> 02:37:02,319
those crosswalks, uh, and making sure
that the, uh, pedestrians who are

2016
02:37:00,800 --> 02:37:07,200
crossing at the intersection there can
do so in a safe and convenient manner.

2017
02:37:05,359 --> 02:37:13,840
We looked at several different potential
locations to relocate the existing bus

2018
02:37:09,520 --> 02:37:18,080
stop based upon uh available space
within the uh the roadway, available

2019
02:37:15,760 --> 02:37:22,399
rideway and where the uh the buses are
heading. And then down here at the south

2020
02:37:20,560 --> 02:37:27,520
end, we propose continuing that
multi-use trail along the uh the east

2021
02:37:25,280 --> 02:37:31,040
side of the roadway so that it's able to
serve the railard development and

2022
02:37:29,439 --> 02:37:34,680
ultimately connect to the mineral belt
trail to the south.

2023
02:37:34,960 --> 02:37:41,680
And then here on this slide, we show the
uh full connection, full extent of the

2024
02:37:39,840 --> 02:37:46,319
proposed multi-use trail between the
Northern Gateway uh and Mountain View

2025
02:37:44,000 --> 02:37:52,000
Village. This trail is proposed to be
located on the south side of US 24 would

2026
02:37:49,439 --> 02:37:58,880
be about two and a quarter miles uh in
length uh and would

2027
02:37:56,080 --> 02:38:02,160
here we've shown down here a transition
where it would stay on the south and

2028
02:38:00,720 --> 02:38:06,160
west side of the roadway where the
roundabout is developed some different

2029
02:38:04,240 --> 02:38:11,200
concepts to ensure that there's the
ability for uh pedestrians and cyclists

2030
02:38:09,120 --> 02:38:15,359
to cross on the west leg of the
intersection and be able to access uh

2031
02:38:13,680 --> 02:38:23,560
Mountain Valley Estates and other
properties here uh to the north of US 24

2032
02:38:18,240 --> 02:38:23,560
on the west side of Highway 91 as well.

2033
02:38:25,120 --> 02:38:31,840
Then also wanted to touch on the uh the
concept for the uh the bus stop. So

2034
02:38:29,359 --> 02:38:36,800
we've shown that here uh a potential
proposed concept. So, the existing bus

2035
02:38:34,399 --> 02:38:41,600
bus stop is up here in the uh upper
leftand corner of this image where

2036
02:38:38,640 --> 02:38:46,960
there's an existing uh power pole in the
uh the middle of the uh entrance to the

2037
02:38:44,240 --> 02:38:51,840
parking lot and the bus stop is signed
um by this power pole. In this concept,

2038
02:38:49,680 --> 02:38:55,920
we've proposed extending the existing
sidewalk from the intersection on the

2039
02:38:53,680 --> 02:39:00,960
north side of Mountain View Drive,
creating a bus pull out and a full bus

2040
02:38:59,200 --> 02:39:06,960
stop along the sidewalk, which could
include benches, a shelter as well, um,

2041
02:39:03,920 --> 02:39:11,920
if desired, and a more convenient and
safer waiting space um, for bus

2042
02:39:09,760 --> 02:39:16,960
passengers that's outside of the uh, the
drive aisle and traffic operations

2043
02:39:14,319 --> 02:39:21,359
within the uh, the Safeway parking lot.
We also show the u refreshed and new

2044
02:39:19,520 --> 02:39:27,600
striping for the crosswalks here at the
intersection with US 24 and mountain

2045
02:39:23,600 --> 02:39:31,920
view as well on this exhibit.
So I'll jump now down to the third

2046
02:39:29,760 --> 02:39:36,399
location, Colorado Mountain College. So
we focused in this location primarily on

2047
02:39:34,000 --> 02:39:41,840
the intersection here, McQuey College
Road and US 24. As mentioned, there is

2048
02:39:39,280 --> 02:39:44,880
the existing crosswalk that is uh
controlled by a rapid flashing beacon

2049
02:39:43,680 --> 02:39:50,160
here on the west side of the
intersection. Uh but traffic is free

2050
02:39:47,200 --> 02:39:54,399
flowing along US 24. The speed limit in
this location is along the highway is 35

2051
02:39:52,399 --> 02:39:57,600
miles per hour, but certainly in field
reviews we've done, what we've heard

2052
02:39:56,000 --> 02:40:03,200
from the community is a fair amount of
traffic does seem to travel at a higher

2053
02:40:01,280 --> 02:40:07,520
speed in this location, especially in
the uh the west or southbound direction.

2054
02:40:05,600 --> 02:40:11,439
As people are heading out of town, the
roadway starts to kind of go down in

2055
02:40:10,000 --> 02:40:15,680
elevation as you start to go out of
town. And so people start to pick up

2056
02:40:13,600 --> 02:40:20,960
speed as they're uh moving out of
downtown and moving um to the south.

2057
02:40:19,200 --> 02:40:25,359
There are a few other items that we
wanted to uh to point out uh with this

2058
02:40:23,280 --> 02:40:30,160
is the uh mineral belt trail here
crosses US 24 here to the west, but

2059
02:40:27,680 --> 02:40:35,680
there's no marked uh crossing in this
location. Uh so it's a midblock crossing

2060
02:40:32,160 --> 02:40:40,800
that uh is not marked. Um, ideally folks
would travel up and make this crossing

2061
02:40:37,840 --> 02:40:44,399
here where the beacon controls it, but
it takes folks quite a bit out of their

2062
02:40:42,479 --> 02:40:48,960
way. There isn't necessarily a sidewalk
along the highway, so there's not a lot

2063
02:40:46,319 --> 02:40:53,680
of compliance with that um movement and
and making that diversion. And then, as

2064
02:40:51,760 --> 02:40:57,520
we mentioned, the existing dump station
here with the sanitation district

2065
02:40:55,760 --> 02:41:01,920
located right just adjacent to the
roadway. Um, really enough room for one

2066
02:41:00,000 --> 02:41:07,439
vehicle, one vehicle with a trailer or
an RV. uh and that tends to cause uh

2067
02:41:04,880 --> 02:41:13,840
queuing either onto US 24 or over here
on Quincy Street east.

2068
02:41:11,600 --> 02:41:17,840
So there were two options and two uh
alternatives that we identified as

2069
02:41:15,439 --> 02:41:22,800
potentials uh for this location. The
first would be to signalize the

2070
02:41:19,359 --> 02:41:28,560
intersection of US 24 College of Mathy,
add full crosswalks in that location uh

2071
02:41:25,840 --> 02:41:34,560
as well. And then as part of both
options, we propose to realign the

2072
02:41:31,120 --> 02:41:40,000
mineral belt trail uh to encourage and
direct users to cross at the

2073
02:41:37,680 --> 02:41:45,439
intersection. Within this concept here,
we've shown the uh the trail here along

2074
02:41:42,160 --> 02:41:49,520
the south side of US 24. There's also
the potential concept where the trail

2075
02:41:47,200 --> 02:41:53,359
could cross here to the south kind of at
the south end of the exhibit and connect

2076
02:41:51,760 --> 02:41:57,280
in with the trail that connects up to
the college and then directing users

2077
02:41:55,600 --> 02:42:02,720
here along the west side of college
road. That is an option where if we did

2078
02:41:59,600 --> 02:42:07,040
go to a greater level of design uh for
this concept, we could look at both of

2079
02:42:04,399 --> 02:42:11,439
those options in a bit more detail. We
then have shown in purple here just kind

2080
02:42:09,040 --> 02:42:16,399
of in general terms um the proposed
sanitation districts uh concept to

2081
02:42:14,080 --> 02:42:23,200
relocate uh their facilities and the
dump station to create uh more room for

2082
02:42:18,880 --> 02:42:27,120
queuing to happen off street.
So we also looked at the a concept with

2083
02:42:25,280 --> 02:42:31,120
a roundabout at this intersection and
within the plan this concept is the uh

2084
02:42:29,439 --> 02:42:36,800
identified or recommended preferred
alternative uh to implement a roundabout

2085
02:42:33,600 --> 02:42:40,160
in this location. uh same treatments as
before with the realignment of the

2086
02:42:38,319 --> 02:42:44,160
mineral belt trail. Uh the
implementation of the sanit sanitation

2087
02:42:42,240 --> 02:42:49,280
district's proposals for a a
reconfigured facility. Uh and then the

2088
02:42:46,880 --> 02:42:54,720
crossing for the trail on the west leg
of the intersection here. U we did talk

2089
02:42:52,080 --> 02:42:58,319
with COT at least in a preliminary basis
about the potential of the roundabout. I

2090
02:42:56,319 --> 02:43:02,080
think in general C dot was open to the
concept. There does need to be some

2091
02:43:00,240 --> 02:43:06,240
additional analysis to look at and
ensure that the roundabout would operate

2092
02:43:04,080 --> 02:43:10,000
appropriately given traffic conditions
and that it would be uh designed to

2093
02:43:08,560 --> 02:43:14,000
accommodate all of the different
vehicles in terms of trucks and

2094
02:43:11,680 --> 02:43:19,280
emergency vehicles in this location. But
at least as a general concept, um C do

2095
02:43:16,960 --> 02:43:23,080
was open to studying the concept uh
further in this location.

2096
02:43:23,840 --> 02:43:30,479
And then finally, I'll walk through uh
the examination we did with the uh the

2097
02:43:28,160 --> 02:43:35,680
truck bypass alternatives. Uh this
exhibit shows the various different

2098
02:43:32,800 --> 02:43:40,000
routes and alternatives that we looked
at. There were six in total. Uh so

2099
02:43:38,479 --> 02:43:44,880
starting here at the top in the dark
blue, uh we looked at an alternative

2100
02:43:41,760 --> 02:43:49,120
that used county road 99. um along with
additional roadways, County Road 9 here

2101
02:43:47,600 --> 02:43:54,319
uh down to the south connecting to
Highway 300 and then intersecting US 24

2102
02:43:52,240 --> 02:43:59,600
down here at the south with that
connection. So really kind of keeping uh

2103
02:43:56,800 --> 02:44:05,520
truck traffic as far west as possible um
of town. Uh the next option here is in

2104
02:44:03,279 --> 02:44:10,479
the pink um which utilizes a very
similar alignment up here along County

2105
02:44:07,359 --> 02:44:14,800
Road 5A and then County Road 9 and then
cuts across on Mountain View Drive um

2106
02:44:13,120 --> 02:44:20,720
over to where the Safeway in Northern
Gateway area is to reconnect with US 24.

2107
02:44:18,880 --> 02:44:26,319
There's then the uh the green route
which again follows County Road 5 and

2108
02:44:23,279 --> 02:44:30,560
then follows County Road 4 uh east
across town and then makes that

2109
02:44:28,319 --> 02:44:35,600
connection in the Northern Gateway. Then
in the dark green, we use uh an

2110
02:44:32,960 --> 02:44:40,800
alternative that uses McQuey uh and then
makes the connection um up and avoiding

2111
02:44:38,080 --> 02:44:46,160
downtown. And then in the red is the
current alignment along US 24. And then

2112
02:44:43,840 --> 02:44:51,520
over here, the final option here in
purple um utilizes US 24 till just south

2113
02:44:49,439 --> 02:44:57,040
of downtown and then cuts across to the
east on County Road 8. um avoiding

2114
02:44:54,240 --> 02:45:02,479
downtown but still running through
generally um the center of town uh to

2115
02:44:59,920 --> 02:45:07,279
make that connection. Here we have shown
in blue um a location where there isn't

2116
02:45:05,120 --> 02:45:12,399
an existing roadway but there could
potentially be um a future roadway that

2117
02:45:10,000 --> 02:45:17,680
we discussed with public works at least
at a high level. Um so we've shown that

2118
02:45:14,560 --> 02:45:22,000
at a as a dash line here that could make
that connection and avoid um some of the

2119
02:45:20,000 --> 02:45:26,399
constraints that are present here along
County Road 5.

2120
02:45:24,800 --> 02:45:30,080
So a few items that we wanted to point
out with the truck bypass alternatives.

2121
02:45:28,240 --> 02:45:34,800
Um certainly as Ann mentioned, you know,
trucks today cause uh quite a bit of

2122
02:45:32,160 --> 02:45:39,520
impact within downtown. Based upon se
dot traffic data, there's about 400

2123
02:45:37,200 --> 02:45:45,040
heavy trucks on average a day that pass
through downtown along US 24. that's

2124
02:45:42,240 --> 02:45:51,200
projected to grow to about 450 trucks
per day by 2040. So in the next 14 15

2125
02:45:48,160 --> 02:45:54,640
years. Um but as we looked at these
different alternatives, all six of them,

2126
02:45:53,040 --> 02:45:58,560
they all have different constraints and
in some cases very significant

2127
02:45:56,319 --> 02:46:03,840
constraints. There's narrow travel
lanes, narrow roadways. Um there's no

2128
02:46:01,200 --> 02:46:07,279
shoulders along many of the roadways. uh
many of the roadways the pavement

2129
02:46:05,600 --> 02:46:11,920
condition the pavement cross-section is
not set up to have significant amounts

2130
02:46:09,600 --> 02:46:17,600
of heavy truck traffic uh travel along
those roadways. So just from a a

2131
02:46:15,040 --> 02:46:21,680
physical condition standpoint uh pretty
much all of the uh options that we

2132
02:46:20,080 --> 02:46:25,920
looked at would need significant
improvements um to the roadway to the

2133
02:46:24,399 --> 02:46:30,080
roadway shoulders the width of the
roadway and the pavement cross-section

2134
02:46:27,520 --> 02:46:34,720
in order to be able to accommodate
increased uh truck traffic. Another key

2135
02:46:32,960 --> 02:46:39,120
item, especially on the far west side
along County Road 5, are the existing

2136
02:46:37,279 --> 02:46:43,680
bridges. They're not designed to
accommodate uh heavy volumes of trucks

2137
02:46:41,359 --> 02:46:47,520
and heavy trucks with that. And so
there's uh significant either retrofit

2138
02:46:45,760 --> 02:46:52,640
or replacement of those bridges that
would be required uh to be able to serve

2139
02:46:50,240 --> 02:46:57,680
uh truck traffic. There's also on the
west side uh very significant potential

2140
02:46:55,120 --> 02:47:01,840
wetland and wildlife habitat impacts. Um
you're getting outside of town into

2141
02:46:59,920 --> 02:47:06,960
areas where there are existing wetlands.
there's a significant number of wildlife

2142
02:47:03,840 --> 02:47:11,520
crossings that occur and so there's a a
good chance or a significant chance of

2143
02:47:08,800 --> 02:47:16,479
potential conflicts with truck traffic
um and wildlife as well. Many of those

2144
02:47:14,319 --> 02:47:20,479
alternatives also uh travel through
heavily residential areas within the

2145
02:47:18,640 --> 02:47:27,359
county and within the town. And so there
are sign potentially significant um

2146
02:47:23,439 --> 02:47:31,760
impacts related to to noise um with uh
trucks traveling so close to uh

2147
02:47:29,439 --> 02:47:36,399
residential properties as well.
We did look um at a very high level

2148
02:47:34,160 --> 02:47:41,200
based upon some of those alternatives or
those issues at the county road 9 or

2149
02:47:39,200 --> 02:47:46,720
sorry county road 99 alternative which
is this uh dark blue line here. Uh and

2150
02:47:44,720 --> 02:47:50,560
it based upon looking at those
constraints, the potential upgrades that

2151
02:47:48,720 --> 02:47:56,720
might be needed could be anywhere from
25 to $60 million to be able to make

2152
02:47:53,200 --> 02:48:00,240
that um alternative and that route um
acceptable uh as a truck route in terms

2153
02:47:58,960 --> 02:48:05,200
of roadway width, pavement
cross-section, and mitigating um other

2154
02:48:02,960 --> 02:48:08,000
potential impacts as well. We would
expect the the other options that we

2155
02:48:06,800 --> 02:48:11,920
looked at and the other routes that we
looked at to have pretty similar cost

2156
02:48:09,760 --> 02:48:16,080
ranges um as well. So, it's a pretty
significant um investment if it was

2157
02:48:14,240 --> 02:48:20,720
something that would be uh pursued
further.

2158
02:48:18,800 --> 02:48:26,720
And uh with that, I'll turn things over
back to to Ann to talk about a little

2159
02:48:22,960 --> 02:48:35,120
bit of the uh potential next steps.
>> Thanks. And and I um also love to just

2160
02:48:30,399 --> 02:48:40,000
kind of um take a break and see if the
commissioners have any questions. There

2161
02:48:37,040 --> 02:48:46,479
was a lot of information. Um these next
steps are some um potential ways that we

2162
02:48:43,200 --> 02:48:52,880
can continue to utilize um the funds um
that are in the grant. This is does have

2163
02:48:48,720 --> 02:48:57,680
a 25% match. Um and so we just want to
kind of get an idea if you have that was

2164
02:48:55,040 --> 02:49:02,080
a a lot of information. So seems like a
natural place to take pause and see if

2165
02:48:59,920 --> 02:49:07,920
you have anything about what you've
heard thus far.

2166
02:49:04,640 --> 02:49:12,160
» So the grant was over 900,000.
How much have we used so far?

2167
02:49:09,840 --> 02:49:19,520
» So we've used just under 200,000 I
believe of that. So in in in just broad

2168
02:49:16,560 --> 02:49:20,720
and I know Catherine's here is that what
we

2169
02:49:20,160 --> 02:49:26,760
» Yes.
>> Well I I think the total is that we've

2170
02:49:23,760 --> 02:49:26,760
used

2171
02:49:29,120 --> 02:49:36,960
» so we we've got five surplus um to be
used in this planning. And so that's

2172
02:49:35,439 --> 02:49:43,120
what we're going to talk about next.
Also just to clarify the grant itself

2173
02:49:39,760 --> 02:49:46,920
like grant funding is 700,000.
It's the the 9333

2174
02:49:47,200 --> 02:49:54,560
is is the total project cost
>> with the match.

2175
02:49:51,439 --> 02:50:00,760
» Yeah. So the 25% match that we're
committed to if we use up all of that

2176
02:49:56,640 --> 02:50:00,760
funding is 233

2177
02:50:00,960 --> 02:50:12,399
um total. But so far we have only spent
like

2178
02:50:07,040 --> 02:50:17,520
the 333 part of the um match commitment.
>> So if we continued if we used up all of

2179
02:50:14,560 --> 02:50:23,080
the rest of the grant funding, we would
be committed to not quite 200 grand.

2180
02:50:24,240 --> 02:50:32,160
» So the grant is a planning grant. It's
not a construction grant. Correct. So,

2181
02:50:29,600 --> 02:50:38,880
so some of these next steps would be um
taking um those three study areas um

2182
02:50:36,640 --> 02:50:44,399
Mountain View Village, Northern Gateway,
and um Con Mountain College, taking them

2183
02:50:41,760 --> 02:50:49,359
to a 30% design
um and evaluating them in more detail.

2184
02:50:47,120 --> 02:50:55,840
Um and so this just kind of goes through
all of the future work that can be done

2185
02:50:51,520 --> 02:51:00,560
on those areas. the um early estimates
on this work on these three different

2186
02:50:58,000 --> 02:51:07,040
stere uh study area areas would be
roughly $200,000

2187
02:51:02,800 --> 02:51:10,800
um to look at at those and then um Oh
yeah,

2188
02:51:08,960 --> 02:51:14,319
Mark has a question.
>> Mark from COT, you want to jump in

2189
02:51:12,960 --> 02:51:21,760
there?
>> Sure. And I appreciate the commissioners

2190
02:51:17,279 --> 02:51:26,720
uh allowing me in on this one.
I just I'm a little confused. So, are we

2191
02:51:25,120 --> 02:51:32,960
finishing
what's being presented and talking about

2192
02:51:28,880 --> 02:51:38,800
that before we move on or what do we
what what is the effort here? because I

2193
02:51:36,000 --> 02:51:46,000
feel like we jumped from one to to
really talking about finishing this this

2194
02:51:42,000 --> 02:51:52,240
section because honestly my concern my
one of my main concerns for joining

2195
02:51:47,920 --> 02:51:59,600
today is making sure that the contract
Lake County has with DJNA

2196
02:51:56,319 --> 02:52:04,720
is completed is have they are they doing
everything they're being asked is this

2197
02:52:02,479 --> 02:52:09,600
because when I looked at the RFP I never
saw the contract and this was couple two

2198
02:52:07,520 --> 02:52:16,560
three years ago when it was pushed
forward. Um I'm not sure what your

2199
02:52:13,359 --> 02:52:21,279
contract with DJNA is and if this
completes it and so if this does then

2200
02:52:19,600 --> 02:52:28,720
this needs to be tied up and and
finished and and then we can talk about

2201
02:52:24,880 --> 02:52:34,319
potential next steps. Um because unless
they're contracted to move on and I'm

2202
02:52:30,720 --> 02:52:40,640
not sure that they are. So, can we clear
that up with me real quick? What is is

2203
02:52:37,520 --> 02:52:44,640
this the end of their contract?
And I don't know if they need to kind of

2204
02:52:42,880 --> 02:52:49,040
I mean, if they if they need to finish
and if we want to finish discussing what

2205
02:52:46,880 --> 02:52:53,680
they have presented cuz they still need
to like put a bow on this and present it

2206
02:52:51,040 --> 02:52:57,520
and seed needs to get the documentation.
And there's a few things I wanted to

2207
02:52:55,040 --> 02:53:02,640
talk about their presentation before we
jump to the next steps. But I mean I

2208
02:53:00,880 --> 02:53:06,720
I'll follow along. I just wanted to
raise that concern.

2209
02:53:05,920 --> 02:53:10,640
» Thank you, Mark.
>> Yeah, thank you so much, Mark. And I

2210
02:53:08,240 --> 02:53:15,359
think I think you're absolutely right. I
think it's um you know, time to take a

2211
02:53:13,120 --> 02:53:21,200
bit of a pause and look at the
information that's in front of you. And

2212
02:53:17,840 --> 02:53:28,720
I think that we have um spent some time
trying to kind of research what the

2213
02:53:23,040 --> 02:53:34,560
original RFP um in included and um
perhaps Bill, you can help us uh with

2214
02:53:30,880 --> 02:53:41,279
this as well. I think that this would be
um and I think that Mark, we all met

2215
02:53:37,680 --> 02:53:47,200
with you um and public works and DJNA
together to try to kind of sus that out.

2216
02:53:44,080 --> 02:53:56,080
So, I'd love to hear um maybe from your
perspective, Mark, as well as um bills,

2217
02:53:50,880 --> 02:54:02,880
if um where we're at right now. Um and
kind of fine-tuning this plan with input

2218
02:53:58,960 --> 02:54:08,800
back from the board on direction. Um it
would be all inclusive of what the RFP

2219
02:54:06,240 --> 02:54:13,359
was designed to do. So that's kind of
been our intent mark from you know

2220
02:54:11,359 --> 02:54:21,080
staff's intent from kind of taking on
this project as a legacy piece from uh

2221
02:54:17,200 --> 02:54:21,080
previous leadership.

2222
02:54:23,760 --> 02:54:30,960
» Who can shed light on this RFP and what
it entails and is it coming to an end?

2223
02:54:28,800 --> 02:54:35,359
Bill, can you help us with that? Yeah, I
would note um I think for for our scope

2224
02:54:33,359 --> 02:54:40,960
of work that we have contracted with the
county uh the plan the draft plan that

2225
02:54:38,080 --> 02:54:48,399
we presented here today was the primary
in deliverable um for that um scope of

2226
02:54:44,640 --> 02:54:53,760
work. Uh so obviously any comments that
you all have here today um comments that

2227
02:54:51,120 --> 02:55:00,479
may come from Mark or from C dot uh we
would have still a process we still have

2228
02:54:56,880 --> 02:55:04,479
within our current scope of work um the
kind of addressing those comments making

2229
02:55:02,319 --> 02:55:09,600
any updates to the documents to reflect
those and then finalizing that document

2230
02:55:07,040 --> 02:55:14,240
and submitting it uh to the county. So,
as part of our base scope, it was

2231
02:55:11,520 --> 02:55:19,040
preparing this plan and the uh concept
level uh designs that we have and that

2232
02:55:16,800 --> 02:55:23,760
we've provided to the county. Um, but
our current scope did not include

2233
02:55:21,279 --> 02:55:28,720
advancing anything further in design up
to maybe a 30% level or something.

2234
02:55:26,720 --> 02:55:33,359
» All right, then that is that is exactly
what I wanted to hear. Thank you, Bill,

2235
02:55:30,880 --> 02:55:38,800
for doing that. So then let's back up a
little bit and talk just if it's okay

2236
02:55:35,680 --> 02:55:45,600
with the the county commissioners. Let's
talk about this and let's focus in on

2237
02:55:42,000 --> 02:55:51,040
completing what Bill and DJNA has done
and put in some comments on that. That

2238
02:55:48,160 --> 02:55:56,000
way they can kind of
get wrapped up. So, if you'll go back to

2239
02:55:53,600 --> 02:56:02,800
at least I had a couple of questions
specifically of the trail along State

2240
02:55:58,479 --> 02:56:07,840
Highway 22 24. Um,
yeah, there was the one that showed it

2241
02:56:04,319 --> 02:56:13,439
all the way around. So, yeah. Yeah.
Okay. So, that is a really long trail

2242
02:56:10,720 --> 02:56:18,160
and it looks like it flows all along Cot
right away. I just want to give Lake

2243
02:56:15,040 --> 02:56:22,720
County a heads up that there's we're
getting a lot of these requests now from

2244
02:56:20,640 --> 02:56:28,080
mountain communities where the road is
really tight. Our maintenance forces

2245
02:56:25,520 --> 02:56:33,279
have a huge safety concern when it comes
to these type of things. One, we're not

2246
02:56:31,200 --> 02:56:37,359
even sure how much rightway we really
have there. A lot of times when you're

2247
02:56:35,040 --> 02:56:42,319
coming through these mountain easements,
it is mostly Forest Service e easement

2248
02:56:40,319 --> 02:56:49,200
and the rightway can get really really
expensive just letting and this is just

2249
02:56:44,479 --> 02:56:56,720
as an FYI. Um, also for safety concerns
in the winter when we have when we have

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02:56:51,840 --> 02:57:00,720
snow, and I hope we do have snow, that
when the plows come through, I mean, if

2251
02:56:58,960 --> 02:57:05,840
you look at the Glenwood Trail, the
Glenwood Canyon Trail, we close that

2252
02:57:03,520 --> 02:57:11,040
about 6 months out of the year just
because plow drivers along, they can't

2253
02:57:08,399 --> 02:57:15,200
be checking to to make sure people are
along there. and those rooster tails

2254
02:57:12,880 --> 02:57:19,439
coming off the plow. And a lot of times
go, "Oh, this is a great little uh cross

2255
02:57:17,760 --> 02:57:23,520
country ski trail, blah blah blah. We
can use this year round." This gets

2256
02:57:21,439 --> 02:57:29,359
become really
a safety issue for our plow drivers

2257
02:57:25,680 --> 02:57:33,920
because again, you just you never know
exactly what's going to be coming and

2258
02:57:31,040 --> 02:57:37,680
and what the weather is and on and on.
We're having these issues even down in

2259
02:57:35,600 --> 02:57:42,240
Grand Junction and Mesa County where
that we have the trail alongside the

2260
02:57:40,160 --> 02:57:49,439
interstate and we can those rooster
tails can get thrown off pretty far into

2261
02:57:45,439 --> 02:57:54,560
those bike trails. So just just be aware
this looks simple but not always. One of

2262
02:57:52,960 --> 02:58:00,319
the other things when I was looking at
this is it can kind of come off right

2263
02:57:57,040 --> 02:58:04,319
there at 99 and back around the backside
into town where there's less traffic.

2264
02:58:02,240 --> 02:58:08,240
But anyway, that's something that can be
looked at down the road. I don't know if

2265
02:58:05,920 --> 02:58:12,880
that was even considered, but that's
just one of the comments I wanted to

2266
02:58:10,080 --> 02:58:19,680
make because our maintenance forces are
getting these requests and it's getting

2267
02:58:15,359 --> 02:58:25,680
getting kind of touchy on that note. Um,
also when it comes to bypasses, I would

2268
02:58:22,800 --> 02:58:30,880
strongly encourage Lake County and
Leadville to visit with Delta, the city

2269
02:58:28,160 --> 02:58:36,880
of Delta and the city of Montro. They've
done some bypasses that have been fairly

2270
02:58:34,319 --> 02:58:40,880
successful. They've had some Delta, the
city of Delta especially has had a

2271
02:58:38,399 --> 02:58:44,720
little bit of trial on that.
Excellent opportunity for you guys to

2272
02:58:42,560 --> 02:58:50,880
communicate with them and kind of get a
feel on what's worked, what hasn't, and

2273
02:58:47,439 --> 02:58:54,080
what's still kind of working. Montro
worked really well. And in fact, what

2274
02:58:52,479 --> 02:58:59,439
they ended up doing, they ended up
devolving the downtown. they're take

2275
02:58:57,359 --> 02:59:04,160
they took over the downtown and we took
over the side street that became the

2276
02:59:01,359 --> 02:59:08,880
bypass and again there's there's
potential along those those lines that

2277
02:59:06,880 --> 02:59:15,840
really can be beneficial to the city of
Leadville. Um and so definitely

2278
02:59:13,600 --> 02:59:24,720
encourage you to talk to and communicate
with Leadville on that that effort. Um,

2279
02:59:19,920 --> 02:59:30,000
also if you do go down those roads, you
might want to look at state highway 13

2280
02:59:27,040 --> 02:59:35,680
as it bypasses Rifle, not goes through
the town of Rifle, but bypasses

2281
02:59:33,200 --> 02:59:41,680
they do. When we put that in, we
protected that um with some zoning

2282
02:59:38,720 --> 02:59:45,439
because it is a three-way. We we spent
extra money to make that a three-way, so

2283
02:59:43,920 --> 02:59:51,680
the speed limits could be a little
higher. And when that was built, there

2284
02:59:48,640 --> 02:59:55,600
wasn't a building up around it. You
always want to protect that once you

2285
02:59:54,080 --> 02:59:59,840
spend the money to do something like
that. That way, you don't have to

2286
02:59:56,960 --> 03:00:04,160
continually cuz once you build a bypass,
businesses come, next thing you know,

2287
03:00:01,840 --> 03:00:08,479
other businesses, other things come and
then they want to slow it down. That's

2288
03:00:05,920 --> 03:00:13,920
not the purpose of a bypass or a
three-way. It's to get people or trucks

2289
03:00:10,960 --> 03:00:22,359
or whatever. And then just be aware that
that can cause its own

2290
03:00:16,800 --> 03:00:22,359
uh repro repro re repercussions

2291
03:00:23,600 --> 03:00:30,880
and that's really other than that I
think what you guys did was a great plan

2292
03:00:27,439 --> 03:00:34,760
layout. Um yeah highly compliment on on
the effort so far.

2293
03:00:36,720 --> 03:00:45,680
Mark, I like what you said about,
you know, doing a a trail 99 that would

2294
03:00:43,439 --> 03:00:51,840
actually connect to Leadville Junction,
which may be on the list for a trail

2295
03:00:49,439 --> 03:00:55,120
down uh
one of the county roads from town. So, I

2296
03:00:53,920 --> 03:00:59,439
I think that's smart.
>> It'd be a whole lot more scenic. I do

2297
03:00:57,439 --> 03:01:04,319
know that it'd be a little shorter, a
little less expensive as far as that.

2298
03:01:01,600 --> 03:01:09,680
And you know, maybe maybe a shorter
section trail along the state highway

2299
03:01:06,160 --> 03:01:14,160
would be more palatable. You know, you
look at some of those curves as you look

2300
03:01:11,200 --> 03:01:19,600
at this really long stretch.
It'd be in the shade a lot. It'd be

2301
03:01:17,439 --> 03:01:28,000
there's just a lot of struggle on that.
I think especially around those around

2302
03:01:22,640 --> 03:01:32,000
that hump. And so just just as an FYI, I
as I was looking at that on some other

2303
03:01:29,920 --> 03:01:36,319
things, I really like that dropping off
at 99 and going around. That's how I

2304
03:01:34,160 --> 03:01:42,160
would take a bike.
>> Is there another study studying the bike

2305
03:01:39,040 --> 03:01:46,560
path from town down to the lake?
>> Um, so I think that's part of what is

2306
03:01:44,640 --> 03:01:50,479
that the saber routes or is that going
to include that? I know that the trails

2307
03:01:48,479 --> 03:01:56,399
coalition folks were looking at that and
direct was granted

2308
03:01:52,240 --> 03:02:01,319
» a um grant to look at that um but we
have I I don't know what the status of

2309
03:01:58,160 --> 03:02:01,319
that is

2310
03:02:01,920 --> 03:02:10,479
right now to extend the trail that we
don't have right

2311
03:02:07,359 --> 03:02:15,240
» so the study area was four to nine over
that way to the north side of

2312
03:02:12,240 --> 03:02:15,240
» lake

2313
03:02:15,520 --> 03:02:22,720
and so that
Pros had um initiated that with the

2314
03:02:19,920 --> 03:02:26,960
trails coalition. They had worked um on
that and and we've been working with

2315
03:02:24,800 --> 03:02:31,279
them, but we've had a bit of turnover.
So, I'm not sure where that project

2316
03:02:28,560 --> 03:02:34,640
right now.
>> So, Bill and Mike, are you catching all

2317
03:02:33,040 --> 03:02:39,120
this? It doesn't seem feasible that
we're going to get a bike path on that

2318
03:02:36,160 --> 03:02:44,000
highway. It'd be better to take it 99 to
county road four and work with

2319
03:02:42,560 --> 03:02:47,920
» Yeah, that's what it sounds like. And I
think that's something, yeah, we could

2320
03:02:45,120 --> 03:02:52,960
certainly uh modify within the document,
modify this u this exhibit. Yeah. And

2321
03:02:50,880 --> 03:02:56,080
highlight those issues. Yeah. That Mark
identified with it.

2322
03:02:54,399 --> 03:03:01,120
» I think it's a good suggestion.
>> If we go to County Road 4, I just I just

2323
03:02:58,880 --> 03:03:06,720
got to point out that it seems like once
again all of Leadville North gets

2324
03:03:03,120 --> 03:03:11,439
circumvented by everything. There's, you
know, half a dozen neighborhoods out

2325
03:03:08,560 --> 03:03:15,040
here and the kids have no way to get
into town. They're stuck on the side of

2326
03:03:13,359 --> 03:03:19,279
Mountain View Road, which has no
shoulder, and people are constantly

2327
03:03:17,359 --> 03:03:25,600
trying to walk or bike up and down this
road. Um, you know, it's it just feels

2328
03:03:23,120 --> 03:03:31,200
like there's there's got to be at least
120 houses out here that have no way to

2329
03:03:27,920 --> 03:03:35,200
get into town. And from bus routes to
proposed paths or sidewalks, it seems

2330
03:03:33,520 --> 03:03:41,120
like everything in Leadville North
completely gets overlooked.

2331
03:03:38,319 --> 03:03:45,120
So, is that the Mountain Valley Estates
that you're looking at or the Mountain

2332
03:03:42,800 --> 03:03:48,240
View Village
>> that gets bypassed?

2333
03:03:46,479 --> 03:03:52,640
» No, everything's called Mountain View.
I'm talking about Mount Mountain

2334
03:03:49,200 --> 03:03:56,800
Mountain View Road, which is uh what are
we? County Road

2335
03:03:54,960 --> 03:03:59,279
» um
17.

2336
03:03:58,399 --> 03:04:02,960
Yes,
>> the the there is a path that stops at

2337
03:04:01,520 --> 03:04:07,760
Eagle's Nest,
>> but beyond that, you've got a whole

2338
03:04:05,120 --> 03:04:12,080
section of West Park um which almost
ties into the new developments over

2339
03:04:09,600 --> 03:04:18,479
there. You've got Turquoise Street,
you've got um Load Stone or Homestake,

2340
03:04:15,680 --> 03:04:21,520
you've got uh Gem Valley Estates, you've
got Silver Hills, you've got Four

2341
03:04:20,160 --> 03:04:25,600
Seasons.
>> Yeah. Okay. Oh, no. Go ahead. Continue.

2342
03:04:23,760 --> 03:04:29,359
I finally found a separate map to look
at that. So, yes,

2343
03:04:27,279 --> 03:04:32,560
» there there's a just a large amount of
houses out here. There's a lot of young

2344
03:04:31,120 --> 03:04:36,160
families. There's a lot of kids, and
they've got no way to get into town

2345
03:04:34,319 --> 03:04:41,680
except go through the woods, go through
the cemetery, or go up Mountain View,

2346
03:04:39,040 --> 03:04:46,479
which has no shoulder until you get just
about into town.

2347
03:04:44,160 --> 03:04:52,880
» Okay. So, on that note, just just as an
FYI, that's is that all Leadville proper

2348
03:04:49,520 --> 03:04:54,960
or is that in the county as well?
>> County.

2349
03:04:53,359 --> 03:04:59,760
» County.
Okay.

2350
03:04:56,000 --> 03:05:03,920
So again, in my coming off 99 from what
I'm seeing,

2351
03:05:01,840 --> 03:05:07,200
it would just and again I don't know if
it would tie into that Mountain View

2352
03:05:05,359 --> 03:05:11,439
Drive and then a bike path beyond that
Mountain View Drive

2353
03:05:09,520 --> 03:05:16,720
through the county. I don't know. I And
again, that then would tie in with that

2354
03:05:13,600 --> 03:05:23,200
Leadville North community and then bring
it into Leadville itself.

2355
03:05:20,319 --> 03:05:28,080
» Does that make sense what I'm saying?
>> Yeah. I just with the last discussion it

2356
03:05:26,319 --> 03:05:34,080
it sounded like, you know, oh, if we
don't do a bike path up 24 or a

2357
03:05:31,120 --> 03:05:39,359
pedestrian path, bring it in 99 and go
up uh go up County Road 4, you know, and

2358
03:05:36,960 --> 03:05:43,760
it's just County Road 4's already got a
gravel path going just about all the way

2359
03:05:41,600 --> 03:05:49,760
down it. It's already got something
people can use. Mountain View there. The

2360
03:05:46,720 --> 03:05:54,319
the Yeah. That that reddish one. Uh it
has nothing

2361
03:05:51,279 --> 03:05:59,200
» until you get to West Park like further
up like almost most the way to Safeway.

2362
03:05:57,439 --> 03:06:04,800
» Yeah. So, and what I was thinking when
you come off 99, if I were riding a bike

2363
03:06:01,760 --> 03:06:11,600
from the trailer from those uh Mountain
View Mountain View Village, I'd take 99

2364
03:06:08,720 --> 03:06:17,920
to get off the highway, come around and
then either jump on nine or 17 depending

2365
03:06:15,279 --> 03:06:22,960
on how big a hurry or how the scenic and
come around that way and around. I mean,

2366
03:06:20,080 --> 03:06:26,399
it's not You could look at that. I'm
just I'm just suggesting and and on and

2367
03:06:24,880 --> 03:06:31,439
on. We could look at that. that would
then take it off of that put it on the

2368
03:06:28,800 --> 03:06:35,520
county which may have a better or
different rightway take it through

2369
03:06:33,040 --> 03:06:39,439
communities and on and on and then it
would it would benefit through that

2370
03:06:37,439 --> 03:06:45,200
whole group and then you'd come out
mount drive around either Mount Massive

2371
03:06:42,240 --> 03:06:50,279
or Mount Elbert Drive right around town
and that First Baptist Church of

2372
03:06:47,279 --> 03:06:50,279
Leadville

2373
03:06:50,479 --> 03:06:59,920
» thanks Mark that's good input that's
>> to I mean, it's much more scenic. It's

2374
03:06:57,200 --> 03:07:05,600
It's And it may It's It's off the
highway. Again, I'm not This is

2375
03:07:03,040 --> 03:07:11,600
Leadville and Lake County's plan, and
I'm not sure where the town limits stop

2376
03:07:08,240 --> 03:07:17,040
and start, but again, I think that would
be something to look at down the road.

2377
03:07:14,720 --> 03:07:23,279
And then you control the speed limits.
You control all the all that all that

2378
03:07:19,600 --> 03:07:29,040
traffic through there.
>> Yeah, it's safer. seems much safer, too.

2379
03:07:27,359 --> 03:07:33,040
» Again, this is the spirit of this today
is to get feedback. So, we've been

2380
03:07:30,880 --> 03:07:38,240
working closely with Bill and we can
take this information back and come up

2381
03:07:35,680 --> 03:07:41,680
with some ideas and and bring those
back.

2382
03:07:38,960 --> 03:07:47,359
» So, just to be clear, is there another I
didn't catch that there's another study

2383
03:07:43,520 --> 03:07:55,520
about a bike path to connect for all the
way? So there is um there was a grant

2384
03:07:51,600 --> 03:08:02,319
that was obtained by recreation and that
was looking at connection between the

2385
03:07:57,680 --> 03:08:07,120
mineral belt trail um to county road 4
to have a safer route. And so like you

2386
03:08:05,200 --> 03:08:12,399
probably recall, we have entitlements
built into our trails that are built

2387
03:08:09,120 --> 03:08:17,439
into Mountain Gate subdivision, Timber
Ranch, Westwoods that would help to

2388
03:08:15,120 --> 03:08:20,399
create that connectivity to nine and
then looking at taking at 9 to the

2389
03:08:19,279 --> 03:08:26,960
junction.
>> So I think that the effort may have be

2390
03:08:24,720 --> 03:08:33,920
might be on hold a little bit. Mhm.
>> The biggest barrier with that was that,

2391
03:08:30,720 --> 03:08:37,520
excuse me, the grant amount is not
actually enough to cover the whole

2392
03:08:35,279 --> 03:08:41,600
feasibility study. And so that's kind of
where we're stuck. But thankfully, we

2393
03:08:40,000 --> 03:08:45,319
have some more time to figure out what
we want to do with that.

2394
03:08:46,080 --> 03:08:52,399
» Uh Pete, did you want to say something
quick? Yeah, I just wanted to point out

2395
03:08:49,520 --> 03:08:58,000
um in regards to the bike path along
County Road 99 that um when when that

2396
03:08:55,920 --> 03:09:03,439
subdivision was built, there was an
extra wide county rideway designated. I

2397
03:09:01,520 --> 03:09:08,960
don't remember how wide it is
specifically for a future bike path. And

2398
03:09:05,920 --> 03:09:14,640
that actually shows on on the plat for
the for the condos. So So there's

2399
03:09:11,680 --> 03:09:21,840
adequate adequate rightway to put a bike
path down County Road 99. And I think

2400
03:09:17,200 --> 03:09:24,640
early on I I gave um Bill Do a you know
a copy of the plat map. I can't remember

2401
03:09:24,000 --> 03:09:32,720
anymore.
>> Okay, we'll follow up on that note. Uh

2402
03:09:28,720 --> 03:09:38,560
» Grand West is a PUD and so there was um
uh the Grand West condos are a PUD and

2403
03:09:35,840 --> 03:09:45,359
then Grand West is a subdivision and so
yeah standard practice for um

2404
03:09:41,439 --> 03:09:51,200
subdivision review is to create um
connectivity and access through trails.

2405
03:09:49,600 --> 03:09:56,240
» Well that that's good information.
Thanks for interjecting Mark. Is there

2406
03:09:53,040 --> 03:10:01,200
anything else in this uh in this
presentation before we move on that

2407
03:09:58,240 --> 03:10:06,160
you'd like to address and like input on?
>> No, just the just those bypass and again

2408
03:10:03,600 --> 03:10:11,279
that's very if the city and the county
want to continue that conversation. It

2409
03:10:08,960 --> 03:10:16,200
was just the bypass and then the trail
along 24. Okay.

2410
03:10:16,399 --> 03:10:22,000
Otherwise, if they'll put in those
comments and any other comments you have

2411
03:10:20,080 --> 03:10:27,040
and wrap it up in a bow, then I think
DJNA can can get their what they were

2412
03:10:24,960 --> 03:10:32,640
contracted to do completed.
>> Okay. One one thing that I don't see uh

2413
03:10:30,160 --> 03:10:38,800
Bill and Mike is is a bike path or any
connectivity on 91

2414
03:10:36,240 --> 03:10:43,359
from, you know, some bike path or trail.
There's a lot of people that walk the

2415
03:10:40,080 --> 03:10:49,399
highway there. 91 from the trailer park
up to Safeway. Was that part of your

2416
03:10:45,840 --> 03:10:49,399
scope or No,

2417
03:10:49,760 --> 03:10:58,640
» that extended a little bit further north
than the limits of our scope. Our scope

2418
03:10:54,080 --> 03:11:06,160
went to the 91 US 24 intersection. So we
do within the plan talk about though the

2419
03:11:01,920 --> 03:11:11,120
need for uh with the roundabout uh each
plan for the future here a way for there

2420
03:11:09,279 --> 03:11:16,000
to be a crossing on the west leg of the
intersection recognizing that yeah

2421
03:11:12,800 --> 03:11:20,000
people do from the park here and from
other developments here do need this

2422
03:11:18,160 --> 03:11:23,439
connection along along the highway
there.

2423
03:11:21,760 --> 03:11:27,960
But that was kind of the the extent of
our our scope there was that

2424
03:11:24,960 --> 03:11:27,960
intersection.

2425
03:11:28,720 --> 03:11:36,080
» Okay.
>> May I ask a clarifying question then of

2426
03:11:32,080 --> 03:11:42,720
Mark? Um Mark um I I think then just so
that we have clarity as staff in helping

2427
03:11:38,720 --> 03:11:48,479
to administer the grant and uh uh
further planning once we've taken in the

2428
03:11:45,760 --> 03:11:53,439
feedback to DJNA and they can complete
the plan. Um maybe we have misunderstood

2429
03:11:51,439 --> 03:12:00,240
a little bit but we thought it was
within the scope even if you know we

2430
03:11:55,920 --> 03:12:08,160
have to do a second RFP within the the
um grant funding that we have available

2431
03:12:03,200 --> 03:12:13,920
to then go into further design work. Um
is that did we misunderstand um that

2432
03:12:11,680 --> 03:12:18,000
communication with you or is that still
a possibility for these funds? Now, now

2433
03:12:16,240 --> 03:12:23,200
we're getting into the difference
between there's the IG, which is the

2434
03:12:20,880 --> 03:12:29,600
governmental agreement, which actually
cements the funding versus the scope of

2435
03:12:26,640 --> 03:12:33,600
work with DJNA and with grant
applications. So, if we're done with

2436
03:12:31,520 --> 03:12:38,479
with this part, then we can now move on
to kind of the next step. And let me

2437
03:12:36,240 --> 03:12:45,279
give just a really broad explanation
here. um the grant application asks for

2438
03:12:42,479 --> 03:12:50,479
a certain thing from the inner mountain
TPR which was agreed to blah blah blah

2439
03:12:48,080 --> 03:12:56,000
gave you 700,000 you had to add a match
in there 900,000

2440
03:12:53,120 --> 03:13:01,040
um you then
we then did a scope of work then that

2441
03:12:58,000 --> 03:13:05,040
was attached to the IG and in this scope
of work we talked about what could

2442
03:13:03,359 --> 03:13:08,880
potentially be done sorry I'm talking
with my hands and it's showing up on the

2443
03:13:06,720 --> 03:13:14,800
screen but that's okay um it's
interesting seeing myself and then in my

2444
03:13:10,960 --> 03:13:23,439
screen and in your screen. So um the IG
itself then says okay you are you are in

2445
03:13:19,359 --> 03:13:28,640
covering so much funds to do this and
then you have a scope of work with DJNA

2446
03:13:26,479 --> 03:13:32,720
all these bits and pieces that you have
contracted that Lake County has

2447
03:13:30,479 --> 03:13:39,840
contracted with DJNA.
So now now we get into technicalities

2448
03:13:36,800 --> 03:13:45,279
which I will give you a a very firm
technicality

2449
03:13:41,439 --> 03:13:51,439
in that you can only do so much before
then you risk going beyond what's

2450
03:13:49,120 --> 03:13:58,080
allowed and then that would be a
statutory violation and I will have to

2451
03:13:53,680 --> 03:14:06,960
say no you can't do that. Now
we're getting to some minor gray areas.

2452
03:14:01,279 --> 03:14:11,840
Now, so is it possible to ask DJNA, and
this is just an example, you talked

2453
03:14:08,640 --> 03:14:16,640
about north of 91, go down to where that
trailer park is. I'm guessing Mountain

2454
03:14:14,080 --> 03:14:21,120
View Estates is what I'm seeing it as on
my map.

2455
03:14:18,800 --> 03:14:28,000
To me, that's a small thing that you
could It's called a change order. That's

2456
03:14:24,640 --> 03:14:32,640
But I'm not approving it. I'm from from
what here on out what I'm saying is

2457
03:14:30,479 --> 03:14:37,359
discussions would have to happen and we
would have to get approvals and and

2458
03:14:34,800 --> 03:14:45,760
documentation on this. So from here on
out this is just ifs and whatifs.

2459
03:14:41,359 --> 03:14:52,000
So please understand that. So if you
said hey it's not too much a big deal

2460
03:14:47,680 --> 03:14:57,439
and there's agreement amongst the my IG
folks. Yeah, it's not too much a big

2461
03:14:54,319 --> 03:15:01,680
deal to to change that and have DJ and
look at Mountain View Estates coming up

2462
03:14:59,040 --> 03:15:07,200
from 91. It's a little piece. They could
kind of look at that, draw it in or

2463
03:15:03,680 --> 03:15:14,479
whatever. That's that's something I
would have to get approved and I could

2464
03:15:10,880 --> 03:15:20,319
try and get see if that would be what it
would be to get that done. I don't know.

2465
03:15:17,120 --> 03:15:26,239
But again, you have come to a point with
DJNA that they have hit their scope. And

2466
03:15:24,080 --> 03:15:30,960
here's here's the bottom line. In all
fairness, when you go out with an RFP

2467
03:15:28,560 --> 03:15:36,399
and people do an advertisement or or
when people bid the the project,

2468
03:15:34,080 --> 03:15:41,279
that has to be fair. And I will not
budge on that fairness. So, if another

2469
03:15:39,920 --> 03:15:43,920
company said, "Well, we could have done
that cheaper." And you're just thrown in

2470
03:15:42,560 --> 03:15:49,600
a bunch of work on somebody who's
already got the the bid. That's not fair

2471
03:15:47,359 --> 03:15:55,760
and I I cannot allow that and I will not
allow that. So we must maintain fairness

2472
03:15:52,960 --> 03:16:00,319
across the board. The other issue has
really come that these funds have lagged

2473
03:15:58,319 --> 03:16:07,200
for quite some time and have not been
spent really well which be that be what

2474
03:16:03,760 --> 03:16:13,680
may we're moving through that process
the best we can. So

2475
03:16:10,960 --> 03:16:18,560
what you would have to do regardless now
to do any design to to really decide

2476
03:16:16,080 --> 03:16:22,640
okay you have this $500 and some
thousand

2477
03:16:20,080 --> 03:16:28,880
what do we do with it and how can it be
most efficiently used? So, here's some

2478
03:16:25,120 --> 03:16:35,279
ideas. What you could say maybe, and I'm
putting this as a hard maybe,

2479
03:16:32,479 --> 03:16:40,800
is you could request to me, hey, we may
want to do a change order to allow DJNA

2480
03:16:37,840 --> 03:16:45,200
to look at 91 just to make sure we we're
treating everybody fair and look at what

2481
03:16:43,359 --> 03:16:51,520
it would be, how many miles, what, you
know, but do we really want again a path

2482
03:16:48,319 --> 03:16:57,840
along 91 or do we actually want to maybe
come out Crystal? you know, that could

2483
03:16:54,720 --> 03:17:01,200
take an actually bigger lift of a study
than what we're expecting because if you

2484
03:16:59,760 --> 03:17:08,560
really look at it, there is no
alternative on my map that would allow

2485
03:17:05,359 --> 03:17:14,720
you to get off of 91. So, I I just don't
know. And so, that may be something that

2486
03:17:12,000 --> 03:17:18,640
you want to put down on a okay, maybe
for the next study or maybe for the next

2487
03:17:17,040 --> 03:17:24,080
effort.
But either way, DJNA may have come to

2488
03:17:21,279 --> 03:17:29,600
their into their SC scope into their
contract. And so we'll close that out

2489
03:17:27,359 --> 03:17:34,800
and
I'll have to get clarity on this, but

2490
03:17:32,000 --> 03:17:38,239
we'll have to either go back to the TPR
and they'll say, "Yeah, you can go ahead

2491
03:17:36,239 --> 03:17:42,800
and finish spending," which I think they
would expect, or you may not have to go

2492
03:17:40,640 --> 03:17:46,319
back to the TPR and they and because
we'll have to look at what you actually

2493
03:17:44,800 --> 03:17:50,800
applied for when you're applying for
that grant. And if they if there's

2494
03:17:48,800 --> 03:17:56,720
wiggle room in what you applied for and
applying for that grant that you could

2495
03:17:52,560 --> 03:18:03,120
actually go on and focus on one or two
of whatever the things that came that

2496
03:17:58,720 --> 03:18:09,600
DJNA came up with, then we will have to
go back out with another RFP to then

2497
03:18:07,040 --> 03:18:17,279
open up a scope of work for somebody.
But I would want to sit down with Lake

2498
03:18:12,399 --> 03:18:25,120
County and really get an idea on or or
come to some firm concepts on the limits

2499
03:18:22,000 --> 03:18:29,120
of that RFP and what you'd want to do
because your options now from DJNA and

2500
03:18:27,439 --> 03:18:33,680
and this is really what we wanted to do.
We wanted to have a broad view from the

2501
03:18:31,120 --> 03:18:39,120
study and then say, okay, what is
critical? What is important? What is

2502
03:18:36,239 --> 03:18:42,880
some lowhanging fruit that we can do?
Because there's with 500,000 there's

2503
03:18:41,359 --> 03:18:44,880
very little you could actually do for
construction on this.

2504
03:18:44,319 --> 03:18:51,840
» Yes.
>> So what could you actually get designed

2505
03:18:48,560 --> 03:18:56,399
that would make sense that could
possibly be built in five years? Because

2506
03:18:54,160 --> 03:19:02,960
anything on that sits on the shelf in
design longer than five years you either

2507
03:19:00,720 --> 03:19:07,840
lose an opportunity
um you you have to pull it back off the

2508
03:19:05,359 --> 03:19:14,160
shelf. and talking to engineers. A shelf
life for engineering plans are 3 to

2509
03:19:11,120 --> 03:19:18,000
seven years max.
So, I mean, they're still good, but you

2510
03:19:16,399 --> 03:19:23,279
you'd still have to go back and work it
out. So, if you're going to spend

2511
03:19:20,080 --> 03:19:26,640
500,000 on design and get it all the way
through to really good design or even

2512
03:19:24,960 --> 03:19:30,319
30%, or you could take two things and
say say, "Okay, we're going to see what

2513
03:19:28,160 --> 03:19:34,399
rightway is there. We're going to see
really what utilities there and what,

2514
03:19:32,160 --> 03:19:37,840
you know, what potential could be." And
so,

2515
03:19:35,840 --> 03:19:45,040
That could be part of the discussion,
but anything else, you can't really ask

2516
03:19:40,880 --> 03:19:50,720
DJ and A to do anything else
after what they've done now. And you

2517
03:19:47,120 --> 03:19:55,840
can't add, you can add maybe a tiny bit,
but you can't add a lot. And I'd have to

2518
03:19:53,279 --> 03:20:00,319
find truly what the difference is
between a tiny bit and a lot because at

2519
03:19:58,399 --> 03:20:06,239
some point some other company could say,
"Hey, you're you're going beyond that."

2520
03:20:03,200 --> 03:20:09,600
and then they get Lake County and Mark
Rogers in trouble. And I I don't want to

2521
03:20:08,000 --> 03:20:14,640
be in trouble.
>> So,

2522
03:20:11,279 --> 03:20:20,960
honestly, you know, let's wrap up DJNA's
contract with making sure you have good

2523
03:20:18,160 --> 03:20:29,920
documentation, making sure you have as
much out of what their scope of work as

2524
03:20:23,359 --> 03:20:34,319
you can get. And then we will say, okay,
and and we can do this right now. if of

2525
03:20:32,239 --> 03:20:39,040
those four priorities that they looked
at and again I I I did a screenshot of

2526
03:20:36,720 --> 03:20:43,680
their four four priorities
um

2527
03:20:41,200 --> 03:20:48,000
they they had they had the identifi I
pulled the wrong screenshot sorry their

2528
03:20:45,760 --> 03:20:53,680
four areas
um was

2529
03:20:50,319 --> 03:20:59,279
24 coming around there CMC
the intersection right there around

2530
03:20:55,680 --> 03:21:04,560
Safeway and then the bypass so you could
pick one or two of those maybe and say,

2531
03:21:01,840 --> 03:21:10,640
"Okay, really what is the priority here?
What is if we had 500,000

2532
03:21:07,920 --> 03:21:14,560
plus to spend?" Well, four 500,000 with
the grant and then 25%

2533
03:21:12,960 --> 03:21:20,080
you'd have to add to it for your local
match. What is it that you are

2534
03:21:18,000 --> 03:21:25,200
priorities? What would you really think
are the priorities to do? and then maybe

2535
03:21:23,359 --> 03:21:30,319
look at design, look at further
investigation

2536
03:21:27,120 --> 03:21:35,040
and then you guys can go into executive
session after, maybe not today or even

2537
03:21:32,319 --> 03:21:40,080
two weeks from now, whatever.
And then you can say, "Okay, once we're

2538
03:21:37,040 --> 03:21:45,439
done with DJNA, and once all those bills
are sent in, we'll know exactly how much

2539
03:21:43,120 --> 03:21:50,479
is left, then we'll try and hit priority
Y or Z, whatever." So, I've talked a lot

2540
03:21:48,800 --> 03:21:54,720
now and I'm going to go ahead and mute
my mic and then you guys can go ahead.

2541
03:21:53,040 --> 03:22:00,399
But is there any questions on that
specific explanation of the difference

2542
03:21:57,520 --> 03:22:05,520
between these various grants and awards
and and rules?

2543
03:22:03,600 --> 03:22:08,479
» Hey Mark, I I appreciate you explaining.
I think it would probably be good

2544
03:22:06,720 --> 03:22:12,399
context for you that none of the
commissioners that are here nor myself

2545
03:22:10,080 --> 03:22:15,840
were here when this grant was taken on
and we recognize the importance of

2546
03:22:14,000 --> 03:22:21,520
having a fully baked plan with a
multi-year budget so that it gets picked

2547
03:22:17,840 --> 03:22:24,960
up and are doing that with staff now. Um
I think really that's why we're in here

2548
03:22:23,200 --> 03:22:28,880
today is to figure out what did these
guys want to do with the project that

2549
03:22:26,960 --> 03:22:33,760
they've inherited that may or may not
have had a full scope or plan.

2550
03:22:31,520 --> 03:22:39,439
» Yes. And the timing on this is very good
because the timing is we can wrap up

2551
03:22:36,000 --> 03:22:44,399
with DJNA as much as we need to get that
totally completed. If they really do

2552
03:22:41,600 --> 03:22:50,479
want to say, "Hey, can we do a change
order to bring in 91?" That's a

2553
03:22:47,359 --> 03:22:55,439
conversation I can have with people who
have

2554
03:22:52,080 --> 03:23:00,160
authority to make that decision and then
we can go that direction. Otherwise,

2555
03:22:57,359 --> 03:23:04,399
we'll close out with DJNA and move on.
But I'll go ahead and mute.

2556
03:23:02,640 --> 03:23:07,920
» Mark, one real quick question. Is there
a world I I was kind of hearing you

2557
03:23:06,399 --> 03:23:11,840
dance around this a little. Is there a
world in which we would not be able to

2558
03:23:09,439 --> 03:23:15,359
continue to spend the remainder of the
grant funds?

2559
03:23:13,200 --> 03:23:21,520
» It's a very small small world. And let
me tell you the problem with this.

2560
03:23:17,120 --> 03:23:26,960
There's two little caveats in this one.
because it's gone taken so long and the

2561
03:23:24,239 --> 03:23:33,120
the legislature the Colorado legislature
has actually been pulling

2562
03:23:29,439 --> 03:23:38,399
MMO funds we've the seed dots still
worked hard to make them available your

2563
03:23:35,040 --> 03:23:43,439
guyses are locked in so they couldn't
really take those but they are watching

2564
03:23:40,960 --> 03:23:48,319
how fast they are spent and they're
watching the draw down and these have

2565
03:23:45,520 --> 03:23:55,359
kind of languished for this and whatever
you do we'll need to say we will get

2566
03:23:51,520 --> 03:23:59,840
these spent. Now I don't think and again
I don't think but there is a minor

2567
03:23:57,600 --> 03:24:04,160
possibility
that you'd have to let the inner

2568
03:24:01,680 --> 03:24:07,120
mountain TPR know, you know, because
these funds are still out there. But you

2569
03:24:05,680 --> 03:24:10,880
just say, "Hey, it took a while. The
commissioners changed over." You tell

2570
03:24:09,120 --> 03:24:14,560
them the truth. And then they'd probably
say, "Okay, go ahead and finish spending

2571
03:24:12,239 --> 03:24:18,239
your 5,000. It's already there." Because
if it does come back, they risk losing

2572
03:24:16,560 --> 03:24:23,279
it, too. So I don't see that really
happening. I I think it's a very very

2573
03:24:20,880 --> 03:24:27,920
minute chance, but I cannot say it won't
happen because I've seen the legislature

2574
03:24:25,279 --> 03:24:34,080
continue to pull these MMO funds. These
local agency funds need spent at an

2575
03:24:31,680 --> 03:24:38,000
efficient rate.
>> Okay.

2576
03:24:36,160 --> 03:24:43,760
» Okay. Thank you, Mark. And then uh just
one question. Uh this is Matt Bulock,

2577
03:24:40,880 --> 03:24:50,160
county commissioner. Is it fair to
future RFP recipients for us to discuss

2578
03:24:47,120 --> 03:24:55,200
this further or do we need to
because this grant is from C do DOT so I

2579
03:24:53,760 --> 03:24:59,840
understand that we can't really even
talk about county road for alternates

2580
03:24:57,279 --> 03:25:06,239
for our bike path. Shall we continue
with this next phase?

2581
03:25:02,880 --> 03:25:10,720
» Um I I don't see anything because really
what we're finishing is we're finishing

2582
03:25:08,080 --> 03:25:14,640
discussing maybe some priorities maybe
other things. It's free to anybody who

2583
03:25:12,560 --> 03:25:17,760
who wants to look because they can look
at this public documentation or whether

2584
03:25:16,640 --> 03:25:22,000
they can look at the minutes or
whatever. And I don't think you're

2585
03:25:19,760 --> 03:25:26,160
really releasing any proprietary
information that they wouldn't all have.

2586
03:25:24,560 --> 03:25:30,560
What would be wrong is if you were
private about it and just gave it to

2587
03:25:27,760 --> 03:25:35,040
DJNA and so then they'd have some sort
of leg up on the competition. I think

2588
03:25:33,040 --> 03:25:39,120
it's better you actually discuss it in
public. That way, anybody who can look

2589
03:25:37,040 --> 03:25:43,920
at the minutes down the road would have
the same ability to compete fairly.

2590
03:25:42,239 --> 03:25:49,439
That's what you want. A level playing
field. That's part of my job is to make

2591
03:25:45,840 --> 03:25:55,160
sure we have a level playing field.
>> Well, that's that's great. That's what

2592
03:25:51,040 --> 03:25:55,160
we want. So, uh,

2593
03:25:55,439 --> 03:26:02,000
just to move things forward here, I'll
just kick it off. Considering

2594
03:25:59,520 --> 03:26:09,200
everything that we've seen here, if it
was up to me, my priority would be 24,

2595
03:26:06,800 --> 03:26:13,200
the roundabout or the stoplight, but
maybe the roundabout because we have

2596
03:26:10,560 --> 03:26:19,200
other plans down there
uh with a sledding hill and the mineral

2597
03:26:15,520 --> 03:26:24,640
belt trail. So, of of all the options, I
would like to see personally that plan

2598
03:26:21,760 --> 03:26:30,000
move forward and the other ones put on a
back burner.

2599
03:26:26,800 --> 03:26:34,800
So, if we could use the other 500,000,
you know, maybe that would cover it.

2600
03:26:31,680 --> 03:26:38,160
Maybe not.
>> Uh, I'm glad we're talking about this

2601
03:26:36,560 --> 03:26:41,920
because I feel like what has come up in
the community more and more, what has

2602
03:26:40,080 --> 03:26:48,080
come up in the community for the longest
time is the connectivity of Mountain

2603
03:26:44,479 --> 03:26:53,680
View East and West and the that
dangerous highway that goes right

2604
03:26:49,680 --> 03:27:00,880
through it. So maybe not connecting
the Mountain View Park to town, but

2605
03:26:59,040 --> 03:27:05,600
safeguarding that intersection better
for the pedestrians that are crossing to

2606
03:27:03,040 --> 03:27:10,319
bus stops
>> and for kids who are connecting across

2607
03:27:08,239 --> 03:27:14,880
their neighborhood.
I I I knew not to talk about it in the

2608
03:27:13,520 --> 03:27:19,120
last meeting we were gonna have, but
this has been one of my biggest

2609
03:27:16,000 --> 03:27:23,200
curiosities is where is the work with C
dot for connecting Mountain View east

2610
03:27:22,239 --> 03:27:27,439
and west? And
>> so now I have a question on this one. So

2611
03:27:25,439 --> 03:27:30,319
you had traffic there. Did they not want
you to talk about it? I'm really

2612
03:27:29,200 --> 03:27:33,439
confused here.
>> Well, no, I just knew that this was

2613
03:27:32,080 --> 03:27:37,920
going to be on our docket.
>> Okay. Because I really I really kind of

2614
03:27:36,000 --> 03:27:40,560
was hoping the traffic folk were stay. I
was kind of watching them in their

2615
03:27:39,200 --> 03:27:45,120
presentation and they gave a good
presentation. But yeah, there's there's

2616
03:27:42,880 --> 03:27:49,120
so much about that those two parks and
on and on, I really wish traffic had

2617
03:27:46,800 --> 03:27:55,239
stayed. But even having some studies and
on and on and looking at just taking

2618
03:27:50,960 --> 03:27:55,239
that out to 99. But anyway,

2619
03:27:56,239 --> 03:28:04,160
» no, I agree now that Elsa says it, I do
see a lot of kids on that road.

2620
03:28:00,640 --> 03:28:10,000
» Yeah. crossing back and forth and uh but
that seems like a with the signs with

2621
03:28:07,279 --> 03:28:16,080
the design that is there doesn't seem
that difficult to put a flashing light

2622
03:28:12,880 --> 03:28:20,399
some signs and stuff. I mean
that doesn't seem I know everything's

2623
03:28:18,399 --> 03:28:24,479
expensive but it seems like most of that
work

2624
03:28:22,000 --> 03:28:29,359
is done. Well, that's why I say when
we're looking at lowhanging fruit, like

2625
03:28:26,239 --> 03:28:33,120
a roundabout is gonna way go over
$500,000,

2626
03:28:31,200 --> 03:28:38,800
» whereas some signage and maybe some
striping or

2627
03:28:34,720 --> 03:28:42,399
» or um sidewalk work. Yeah. Like that
would be able to be lowhanging fruit

2628
03:28:40,880 --> 03:28:47,600
with this.
>> So, any construction any construction

2629
03:28:45,200 --> 03:28:54,080
may blow this budget. What you what I
would suggest is really focus on design

2630
03:28:50,399 --> 03:28:58,880
of something because I think any unless
you're talking just five 800 feet of

2631
03:28:56,800 --> 03:29:02,800
sidewalk or whatever. I mean it's it's
entirely because the design you'd still

2632
03:29:00,560 --> 03:29:08,800
have to go in and design the sidewalk
check right away and right away again

2633
03:29:04,960 --> 03:29:14,640
maybe tight through there. Um I would
really look at DJNA's contract. Would

2634
03:29:12,640 --> 03:29:19,920
did were they supposed to look it right
away? Were they supposed to? I mean,

2635
03:29:17,279 --> 03:29:27,640
this is another thing, Bill. Do you know
if if that scope of work that you were

2636
03:29:22,239 --> 03:29:27,640
contracted had you look at right away?

2637
03:29:29,760 --> 03:29:38,640
» Oh, yeah. You know, just seeing what
the, you know, C do rightway width is.

2638
03:29:35,040 --> 03:29:42,040
And so con concept level.
>> Okay. All right.

2639
03:29:42,479 --> 03:29:50,239
Mark, a clarifying question that we had
in some of the factf finding on this is

2640
03:29:46,399 --> 03:29:54,479
um potentially a 30% design would get us
to the point where we could put this in

2641
03:29:51,600 --> 03:29:58,640
front of the IMPR for consideration for
longerterm project. Is that correct?

2642
03:29:56,479 --> 03:30:04,239
Would we need to advance a single
project further than that 30% threshold?

2643
03:30:01,279 --> 03:30:09,840
No, you could do one project to the 30%
threshold, but the problem is you didn't

2644
03:30:06,399 --> 03:30:14,479
contract with DJNA to take anything to
30% threshold. What you did with them is

2645
03:30:12,720 --> 03:30:21,040
do a really broad, which I think is
great. You did a really broad look at

2646
03:30:18,239 --> 03:30:24,640
what their priorities are. Now, your job
gets a little more difficult. You've got

2647
03:30:22,479 --> 03:30:32,399
to actually go in and pick a priority or
two priorities and say, "Okay, we want

2648
03:30:26,960 --> 03:30:37,120
to advance X or Y or X and Y to 30%
level plans." And then you'll have to go

2649
03:30:34,800 --> 03:30:41,200
out for an RFP and we'll try to really
rush that you not rush it through, but

2650
03:30:39,279 --> 03:30:45,760
we'll try to make sure it's efficient in
a timely effic it's efficiently done in

2651
03:30:43,920 --> 03:30:50,080
a timely manner.
>> Sorry for the double speak. Just

2652
03:30:48,640 --> 03:30:53,359
» that's that's really helpful. Well, I
think for our purposes for this meeting,

2653
03:30:51,840 --> 03:30:58,720
if we can walk out of this room with
guidance for CPD in terms of the

2654
03:30:55,120 --> 03:31:02,960
direction from the BOCC, which of these
we would like to pursue, all of that

2655
03:31:00,560 --> 03:31:07,120
kind of RFP development, that all comes
after, but I think we need the guidance

2656
03:31:04,960 --> 03:31:10,640
on the next steps from the decision
makers in this room as to which of these

2657
03:31:08,800 --> 03:31:14,319
do you want the energy to go into to get
to that 30 or 60 or whatever threshold

2658
03:31:12,720 --> 03:31:18,640
of design.
Can I can I add to that because the

2659
03:31:16,479 --> 03:31:23,359
numbers that we gave you in that email
are like $260,000

2660
03:31:21,120 --> 03:31:25,439
to move all of them forward
>> to to 30%.

2661
03:31:24,960 --> 03:31:28,319
» Mhm.
>> I know you read that you have that

2662
03:31:26,880 --> 03:31:34,000
opportunity, but I just want to be
clear. Um so one idea is to keep them

2663
03:31:31,279 --> 03:31:41,120
all alive. That would be one way to do
it. Um versus moving one forward.

2664
03:31:37,520 --> 03:31:45,680
» I like that. Yeah, that's that's so
200,000 was and these these are just

2665
03:31:43,600 --> 03:31:52,000
ballpark amounts. Of course, we would
have to go out to RFP to and you know

2666
03:31:48,880 --> 03:31:59,680
close out the plan then go out to RFP.
So, our intent was to to do as as um uh

2667
03:31:57,040 --> 03:32:03,040
Mark has indicated, close out the plan,
but get feedback today on what you're

2668
03:32:01,439 --> 03:32:09,600
hearing and what your thoughts are on
that and then look how we could

2669
03:32:07,680 --> 03:32:14,640
further leverage these funds to be more
competitive. So, it sounds to me like

2670
03:32:11,520 --> 03:32:19,040
with the funds left, we could do we
could look at advancing all three of

2671
03:32:16,479 --> 03:32:24,800
these projects and then push the
decision to a later date once we once

2672
03:32:23,120 --> 03:32:29,120
we've established our priorities. I
mean, that sounds reasonable to me.

2673
03:32:27,279 --> 03:32:30,319
» It's like the four. It's actually all
four.

2674
03:32:29,680 --> 03:32:34,239
» Okay.
>> 200,000 was just and these are

2675
03:32:32,319 --> 03:32:39,439
ballparks. We'd have to sus this out
better. Um and we will have to work

2676
03:32:36,479 --> 03:32:45,040
directly with Mark to make sure that you
know finalizing the plan then going out

2677
03:32:41,920 --> 03:32:50,399
through RFP to look at taking these
priorities to um a 30% design you know

2678
03:32:48,640 --> 03:32:54,479
but working very closely with them to
make sure that we're within our

2679
03:32:52,479 --> 03:33:00,399
statutory obligation the grant is
obviously what we would be doing too. M

2680
03:32:56,880 --> 03:33:04,880
» but um if if that would be possible for
us to have enough funding to look at

2681
03:33:02,319 --> 03:33:09,359
those. So maybe we have an idea of what
maybe your number your your two highest

2682
03:33:07,600 --> 03:33:12,640
priorities are. But if we have the
possibility to look at at all of these

2683
03:33:11,279 --> 03:33:17,600
that have been identified that would
probably be your first choice. It'd be

2684
03:33:14,640 --> 03:33:24,960
great to have maybe a second choice.
>> I I love that. Is this is our match

2685
03:33:21,200 --> 03:33:27,439
already budgeted for that work? it. I
think it should be.

2686
03:33:26,239 --> 03:33:30,399
» Yes. I mean, this
>> is it. Is it in your budget?

2687
03:33:29,040 --> 03:33:34,080
» It's not.
>> It's not in my The only thing that I do

2688
03:33:32,319 --> 03:33:38,239
is just make sure that the invoices
match the work that's been done.

2689
03:33:36,399 --> 03:33:41,279
» This was in Duncan. Was that
>> or where?

2690
03:33:38,960 --> 03:33:46,960
» I think it wasn't Tim.
>> It was I mean Tim

2691
03:33:45,279 --> 03:33:51,120
Feedler project. So, it never even
originated in CPD either.

2692
03:33:49,840 --> 03:33:55,920
» Bringing it up.
>> Honestly, I'll have to look at it. as

2693
03:33:52,960 --> 03:34:00,080
well since we account for grants a
little bit differently. If not, I mean,

2694
03:33:58,000 --> 03:34:03,840
we can figure it out if we want to
finish expending the money, but I don't

2695
03:34:01,600 --> 03:34:04,880
know what to talk about without looking
at the budget.

2696
03:34:04,640 --> 03:34:08,319
» Yeah,
>> I think that would be my only

2697
03:34:05,920 --> 03:34:14,399
consideration of just choosing one as
opposed to going out and doing the full

2698
03:34:10,319 --> 03:34:18,160
270 for all three. If if it's unlikely
that we could do all three and it's an

2699
03:34:16,319 --> 03:34:22,479
extra cost to us to match the grant,
that would be my that's why I would

2700
03:34:20,479 --> 03:34:26,399
choose one. So we can it' be great to
know finding that out.

2701
03:34:23,840 --> 03:34:31,359
» Thank you.
>> Commissioner Lee, you still with us? you

2702
03:34:29,439 --> 03:34:38,880
want got anything you'd like to add
before we uh

2703
03:34:33,760 --> 03:34:44,080
» Yeah, I just uh am wondering, you know,
it sounds like Commissioner Bullock, you

2704
03:34:42,000 --> 03:34:49,600
you're kind of keen on the roundabout
situation and and taking the planning of

2705
03:34:46,160 --> 03:34:54,560
that forward as well as the um Mountain
View Village East and West. Elsa, you're

2706
03:34:52,080 --> 03:35:02,800
really championing for Mountain View
East and West. And then um I I am

2707
03:34:59,520 --> 03:35:06,640
partial to the uh pedestrian path that
gets people from Mountain View east and

2708
03:35:04,880 --> 03:35:13,439
west into town.
>> What was the fourth one? Was that the

2709
03:35:09,680 --> 03:35:20,160
excuse me, sorry, the the north gateway,
>> sidewalk enhancements,

2710
03:35:16,080 --> 03:35:25,120
» safely. Yeah. Yeah, bus stop
bus stop and and just that traffic

2711
03:35:23,040 --> 03:35:29,520
combing and some ways to have better
mobility in that area.

2712
03:35:26,800 --> 03:35:35,680
» And then and then for our next steps,
we're looking at right now

2713
03:35:32,319 --> 03:35:42,800
uh wrapping this up, putting an RFP out
to take how many of these next projects

2714
03:35:39,359 --> 03:35:49,040
to 30% completion?
All all four or three or two?

2715
03:35:47,040 --> 03:35:54,080
» All four. Yeah, we'd like to look at all
four, but having like a second plan if

2716
03:35:51,600 --> 03:35:57,120
that doesn't work after we talk to Mark
and have a better idea of where we're

2717
03:35:55,920 --> 03:36:01,600
at. So, we had
>> Okay.

2718
03:35:58,720 --> 03:36:04,640
Commissioners have identified maybe two
priorities.

2719
03:36:02,800 --> 03:36:09,840
» Did you hear that, Andy?
>> Yeah, I did. What that kind of aligns

2720
03:36:07,359 --> 03:36:16,560
with what my concerns were with that
trying to use what's left in this in

2721
03:36:13,520 --> 03:36:21,040
this pot to take all four projects to a
30%

2722
03:36:18,160 --> 03:36:24,279
planning completion felt like a stretch
to me.

2723
03:36:26,160 --> 03:36:32,800
I also I worry
that

2724
03:36:31,279 --> 03:36:38,640
like number one, we don't have to spend
all these funds and we don't have to

2725
03:36:35,439 --> 03:36:43,760
match all of these funds. So, anything
that we're not matching is money we're

2726
03:36:41,120 --> 03:36:48,399
saving. So, if there are any of these
that we don't need to do, like that's

2727
03:36:45,680 --> 03:36:54,399
money that we won't spend.
I just want us to have that little flag.

2728
03:36:50,160 --> 03:36:58,800
And then the MMO funding that comes
through the IMTPR,

2729
03:36:56,560 --> 03:37:03,279
like has been said already in this room,
is at risk. It's at greater and greater

2730
03:37:00,640 --> 03:37:07,279
risk every single year with like the
things that are going on the ballot, the

2731
03:37:04,880 --> 03:37:12,080
way that the legislature is trying to
mitigate those impacts. Like MOF is

2732
03:37:10,399 --> 03:37:16,080
going to
we don't know how much it's going to be

2733
03:37:14,080 --> 03:37:21,359
around. So, I think I personally would
rather have like a streamlined let's get

2734
03:37:18,960 --> 03:37:25,120
this one thing that done that we can get
done now knowing that we won't be able

2735
03:37:23,120 --> 03:37:33,279
to get all four done or probably even
two. Um, it's just a consideration I

2736
03:37:29,120 --> 03:37:40,000
wanted to bring up in case it impacts
how we would make a decision.

2737
03:37:35,520 --> 03:37:44,239
» Well, I just to remind you this grant is
just planning and design.

2738
03:37:41,279 --> 03:37:47,520
» I know. So, we can't actually like use
this funding to implement anything.

2739
03:37:46,319 --> 03:37:50,640
» I know. I'm saying that
>> getting it done.

2740
03:37:48,640 --> 03:37:55,040
» To get it done is less and less likely
in the future. So, if we know we're not

2741
03:37:53,600 --> 03:37:59,200
going to be able to get it done, why
spend even the extra matching dollars

2742
03:37:57,920 --> 03:38:03,520
» to do the planning,
>> right? A plan that's not going to

2743
03:38:01,439 --> 03:38:06,560
» we Yeah. If we know it's not
>> Mark, did you want to chime in there?

2744
03:38:05,600 --> 03:38:09,680
» Sure.
>> In your hand.

2745
03:38:07,840 --> 03:38:12,960
» Sorry. I do. I do. I try not to
interrupt. It's just hard to find the

2746
03:38:11,200 --> 03:38:19,520
hand here. Here, I'll give you some
reasons why you want to continue. One,

2747
03:38:15,760 --> 03:38:25,040
yeah, your funding may be kind of iffy
right now in the future, but future can

2748
03:38:21,920 --> 03:38:31,439
get really future could be here really
fast with new funding. You just never

2749
03:38:27,439 --> 03:38:36,319
know with local agency funding. Um, it
just depends in four years, five years,

2750
03:38:33,760 --> 03:38:40,880
you could have that. So, you want to
continue down the road you're looking at

2751
03:38:38,399 --> 03:38:47,200
because if it's not there, you're going
to eventually have to get 30% plans at

2752
03:38:43,120 --> 03:38:51,200
some time. Now, to better understand 30%
plans, what you're wanting, and Bill,

2753
03:38:49,680 --> 03:38:55,279
you may want to help me out a little bit
here,

2754
03:38:52,960 --> 03:39:00,479
you're basically going to be getting a
good rightway set of plans of what's

2755
03:38:58,080 --> 03:39:05,920
there and what's not, what the potential
has. Because at 30% plans, what you're

2756
03:39:03,359 --> 03:39:10,960
really looking for is it's better than
back a napkin, but it's not you can't

2757
03:39:08,640 --> 03:39:15,840
really start construction on it yet. You
want your rideway done. You want to make

2758
03:39:13,439 --> 03:39:21,439
sure if there's any utilities are in the
way. So, you'll kind of do a a overview

2759
03:39:18,880 --> 03:39:26,399
of what utilities are there. Rightway is
crucial because right away can kill a

2760
03:39:24,319 --> 03:39:31,359
project before anything else does
because it gets so expensive that you

2761
03:39:28,560 --> 03:39:36,800
can't do anything. So you want to look
at rightway, you want to look at

2762
03:39:34,479 --> 03:39:41,359
feasibility type stuff. So if you've got
really steep terrain

2763
03:39:39,439 --> 03:39:46,160
and you don't want that and you're going
to have to do some curves kind of you

2764
03:39:43,439 --> 03:39:50,960
you're going to basically it's called
field inspection review is 30% plans.

2765
03:39:48,800 --> 03:39:56,880
You're going to get estimates that are
not just kind of guesses. You're going

2766
03:39:53,760 --> 03:40:01,359
to get good estimates on those projects.
You're going to have the rightway plans

2767
03:39:59,120 --> 03:40:06,479
or not plans, but you're going to have
at least known sections and and those

2768
03:40:04,239 --> 03:40:10,000
are good for, you know, if you if
they're not going to get sold off, it's

2769
03:40:08,000 --> 03:40:15,120
like state property or whatever. If it's
private property, you know, you want to

2770
03:40:11,760 --> 03:40:20,640
avoid it. So, with the FIR, the field
inspection review plans, you're going to

2771
03:40:17,439 --> 03:40:24,960
have a pretty solid concept of the
elevation, you know, where it's going to

2772
03:40:22,800 --> 03:40:29,760
go, if if it's even feasible. you're
going to have the rightway and and

2773
03:40:27,359 --> 03:40:34,479
potential utilities and also envir
environmental look at that and typically

2774
03:40:32,160 --> 03:40:38,640
the environmental is covered within
region 3. We go out there and just do a

2775
03:40:36,479 --> 03:40:42,640
brief review. So that's cover all our
local agency projects are covered by we

2776
03:40:41,439 --> 03:40:47,840
don't charge when we do our
environmental review. So really, you'd

2777
03:40:44,880 --> 03:40:53,760
just be paying for
really good concept designs that can

2778
03:40:52,239 --> 03:40:59,120
kind of show elevation, show
feasibility, and the rightway. Those

2779
03:40:56,880 --> 03:41:07,200
that's really what you want more than
anything out of your 30% plans. And

2780
03:41:04,000 --> 03:41:11,200
the the bypass would be a little bit
harder to do because it's so some of

2781
03:41:09,760 --> 03:41:15,600
those areas are so big and you're going
to be crossing so much through there.

2782
03:41:13,760 --> 03:41:22,399
But definitely on the other three you
can get pretty good could could get

2783
03:41:18,720 --> 03:41:30,960
pretty good through FIR level plans. So
then you have that because these funds

2784
03:41:27,200 --> 03:41:38,000
right now they may not be coming around
right away but you have them now. I

2785
03:41:33,840 --> 03:41:45,520
would use them and then just cross your
fingers and hope that more local agency

2786
03:41:40,800 --> 03:41:52,080
funds become available down the road.
>> Okay. Well, thank you, Mark. Uh,

2787
03:41:48,880 --> 03:41:56,960
yeah, I think I'd be willing to uh
eliminate the bypass and then I guess

2788
03:41:54,800 --> 03:42:01,840
the question is could we get all the
remaining three

2789
03:41:59,200 --> 03:42:06,560
to 30% with the funds we have left?
That's that'd be ideal. And that's what

2790
03:42:03,520 --> 03:42:11,439
you're saying, Mark. So that'd be the
next step. And then we prioritize those

2791
03:42:09,760 --> 03:42:17,279
three. If we can't get those three done
with the funds we have left, then we

2792
03:42:14,080 --> 03:42:20,800
start we eliminate one at a time.
>> And it sounds like from staff that we

2793
03:42:18,720 --> 03:42:23,760
can get that done,
>> that we could get all three to 30%.

2794
03:42:22,560 --> 03:42:26,399
» 270
>> is what it would cost to get all of them

2795
03:42:25,520 --> 03:42:30,560
» and the bypass.
>> And the bypass. And I just want to

2796
03:42:28,160 --> 03:42:36,399
triple check that that so just for
context

2797
03:42:32,239 --> 03:42:39,920
grant matches should be carried forward
>> should be

2798
03:42:37,359 --> 03:42:44,479
» um if they were recorded in restricted
account codes uh I was not here neither

2799
03:42:42,800 --> 03:42:48,239
was Will at that time so I just want to
make sure that's actually what happened

2800
03:42:45,920 --> 03:42:50,319
with the match.
So that's what we need to know first.

2801
03:42:49,840 --> 03:42:54,479
Yeah.
>> Does this cost us extra money or have we

2802
03:42:52,399 --> 03:42:58,880
allocated the funds?
>> And then number two, we will create an

2803
03:42:57,040 --> 03:43:01,840
RFP
for the 30%.

2804
03:43:00,880 --> 03:43:04,720
» Design
>> for all four.

2805
03:43:02,800 --> 03:43:07,359
» For all four if that's the case. If it's
not the case that we have the funds,

2806
03:43:06,000 --> 03:43:10,560
then we'll come back and have a
conversation about how much we want to

2807
03:43:08,720 --> 03:43:14,000
spend. Yeah. And then prioritize from
there.

2808
03:43:12,000 --> 03:43:18,160
» Okay.
>> Great.

2809
03:43:14,720 --> 03:43:22,520
» Talk about a roundabout. Holy moly.
It's felt harder than it needed to be.

2810
03:43:26,960 --> 03:43:33,439
» Can I add one other thing
>> also? I would really love to have a

2811
03:43:31,760 --> 03:43:39,439
schedule. Sorry if I keep I would love
to have a schedule to make sure that we

2812
03:43:35,600 --> 03:43:43,920
keep on a path here. So, a schedule as
far as when DJNA,

2813
03:43:41,680 --> 03:43:49,600
all that information is done and closed
out and then we could because we could

2814
03:43:46,239 --> 03:43:53,760
be talking about the RF, the future RFP
while we're while they're still going on

2815
03:43:51,760 --> 03:43:58,720
there and then once we have that closed
out, we know exactly how much is done.

2816
03:43:56,960 --> 03:44:03,680
» We hear you loud and clear, Mark. We
really appreciate that input.

2817
03:44:01,760 --> 03:44:07,760
» Yeah, thank you for that, Mark. One of
one of the things we clarified is the

2818
03:44:05,359 --> 03:44:11,120
IGA we have with them is good through
July of of 2033.

2819
03:44:10,560 --> 03:44:14,720
» Okay.
>> So even though maybe we could be going

2820
03:44:13,040 --> 03:44:17,279
faster, we've got some time.
>> Yeah.

2821
03:44:15,359 --> 03:44:22,239
» But what we hear you though, Mark, and
and we'll we'll start working on that

2822
03:44:20,000 --> 03:44:28,600
directly with you and make sure or at
least check in with you and have those

2823
03:44:23,840 --> 03:44:28,600
checkpoints. But that makes total sense.

2824
03:44:28,640 --> 03:44:35,800
Mark, how big is the list of
deliverables you would want to see on a

2825
03:44:32,800 --> 03:44:35,800
schedule?

2826
03:44:36,880 --> 03:44:43,600
» A very high level. So, basically, it's
just going to be

2827
03:44:41,120 --> 03:44:49,359
we're going to go out to add with an RFP
X, you know, by certain month and year.

2828
03:44:47,120 --> 03:44:53,840
We're going to close it out with DJNA by
a certain next and month and year. And

2829
03:44:51,840 --> 03:44:58,160
then because you I really don't want you
going out for another RFP till DJNA is

2830
03:44:56,399 --> 03:45:03,520
done. And I mean, we can discuss it. We
can get it all drafted, but we don't

2831
03:45:00,560 --> 03:45:09,279
want to go out until we have that taken
care of. That way, we know exactly how

2832
03:45:06,239 --> 03:45:16,880
much money is out there. That's the key.
And then as soon as we get a new person

2833
03:45:12,160 --> 03:45:22,640
on or a new or or we get DJ, whatever,
when we get the that one filled, then

2834
03:45:20,319 --> 03:45:25,520
they need to have a scope that they go
right in and they know exactly what they

2835
03:45:24,640 --> 03:45:28,960
have to do. They have to get the
rightway. They got to get the utilities.

2836
03:45:27,199 --> 03:45:32,239
They have to get all this done and
present it to you.

2837
03:45:31,040 --> 03:45:36,319
» Okay,
>> great. Thank you.

2838
03:45:34,080 --> 03:45:40,160
» I think we got path forward. Thanks for
your input, Mark.

2839
03:45:38,080 --> 03:45:43,600
» Thank you.
>> If you guys are done with me, done

2840
03:45:41,760 --> 03:45:46,880
questions. I'll go ahead and let you go
ahead. Any other questions?

2841
03:45:46,160 --> 03:45:51,680
» Okay.
>> None for me. Thank you, Mark.

2842
03:45:49,760 --> 03:45:55,760
» And again, I have my phone number. If
there's something you guys need, be

2843
03:45:53,120 --> 03:45:57,760
please give me a call.
Thank you so much.

2844
03:45:56,720 --> 03:46:01,160
» Thanks, Mark.
>> You got it.

2845
03:46:04,640 --> 03:46:08,439
» Okay, next steps.

2846
03:46:08,479 --> 03:46:13,439
Pete,
>> can I make a general comment?

2847
03:46:11,840 --> 03:46:20,399
» Sure.
>> I think you need to um um the DJNA

2848
03:46:18,000 --> 03:46:24,720
proposal had, you know, a lot more
public interaction, you know, than you

2849
03:46:22,880 --> 03:46:29,760
guys just deciding right away. I think
that certainly would be appropriate to

2850
03:46:27,040 --> 03:46:36,239
have a town hall and and you know
address the the um the projects and see

2851
03:46:33,439 --> 03:46:40,560
what what the people are interested in.
Um I think that was contemplated. I'd

2852
03:46:38,319 --> 03:46:48,880
hate to see that you know that taken out
of the out of the process. Um and um

2853
03:46:46,640 --> 03:46:53,040
let's see.
Um

2854
03:46:51,040 --> 03:46:56,560
yeah, I I just think that there needs to
be more public process in this and I

2855
03:46:54,800 --> 03:47:00,479
think that was promised. The other thing
is that you know there's no data draft

2856
03:46:58,880 --> 03:47:05,120
report out there that should be made
available to the public as well to you

2857
03:47:02,800 --> 03:47:10,319
know to inform the public as to what
DJNA has done, what conclusions they've

2858
03:47:08,000 --> 03:47:13,920
reached, how they've reached them. Um
I've been asking for the draft report

2859
03:47:12,000 --> 03:47:18,239
for about six months now and it's always
been, you know, in county review. So,

2860
03:47:16,720 --> 03:47:22,160
there's got to be some paper out there
that's available for review and the

2861
03:47:20,479 --> 03:47:25,840
public ought to have a chance to to
review it and comment.

2862
03:47:25,120 --> 03:47:30,479
» Thanks.
>> Thank you, Pete.

2863
03:47:28,000 --> 03:47:34,479
» Yeah, I can appreciate that sentiment as
we go back and and look at this and talk

2864
03:47:32,720 --> 03:47:40,399
with Mark.
um because this grant has been lingering

2865
03:47:37,120 --> 03:47:44,399
out there for a while. It will really
depend on like how much time we have to

2866
03:47:42,479 --> 03:47:49,920
do something with it, especially because
there was not a fully developed plan

2867
03:47:47,439 --> 03:47:56,399
that we I think all have in front of us
to follow. So I think whether we can do

2868
03:47:52,640 --> 03:48:00,479
that or not will partially depend on the
timing of the funding that's left

2869
03:47:58,160 --> 03:48:04,800
available and and what was written into
the grant when it was applied for. But

2870
03:48:03,040 --> 03:48:09,040
we can definitely update you once we
have some conversations with him about

2871
03:48:07,279 --> 03:48:14,319
how much time we have left to explain
the

2872
03:48:10,239 --> 03:48:17,680
» and if the the match truly good.
>> I was just talking about,

2873
03:48:16,319 --> 03:48:22,160
» you know, Mark was making a big deal
about closing out the DGNA part.

2874
03:48:20,000 --> 03:48:26,080
» You know, what what deliverables, you
know, they had in their in their

2875
03:48:24,000 --> 03:48:30,960
proposal that were in the RFP that still
need to be to be done. And I think the

2876
03:48:28,560 --> 03:48:35,439
public interaction piece still needs to
be done.

2877
03:48:32,720 --> 03:48:40,160
and and the plan does um include there
was engagement um done by the

2878
03:48:37,439 --> 03:48:45,920
consultants. Um so
I did include public engagement that

2879
03:48:42,560 --> 03:48:47,680
that is within the report that we've
provided.

2880
03:48:46,560 --> 03:48:52,080
» That's what I was
>> So there was some included we had to

2881
03:48:50,000 --> 03:48:57,600
pivot just a little bit on an actual
event in the um manufactured home

2882
03:48:54,399 --> 03:49:00,239
community. Um but other than that um I
don't know if you want to hear about

2883
03:48:58,560 --> 03:49:02,640
that or not but there was public
engagement done as part of it.

2884
03:49:02,239 --> 03:49:04,239
» Thank you.
>> I remember that.

2885
03:49:03,920 --> 03:49:06,399
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

2886
03:49:04,800 --> 03:49:10,239
» It kind of over overlapped a bit with
the L community project.

2887
03:49:07,840 --> 03:49:14,319
» Y trying to tie it together since we
knew we had people gathering anyway. Y

2888
03:49:12,720 --> 03:49:17,439
» so it was during that time.
>> It was like the beginning of when we

2889
03:49:15,920 --> 03:49:18,800
were seated.
>> Yeah.

2890
03:49:18,319 --> 03:49:19,760
» Right.
>> Yeah.

2891
03:49:19,279 --> 03:49:23,199
» Yeah.
>> Yeah. That's true.

2892
03:49:21,279 --> 03:49:28,640
» But it was part of the scope and it was
included. Yeah. And we didn't want to we

2893
03:49:26,800 --> 03:49:33,840
didn't want to send out the draft until
the board really had an opportunity to

2894
03:49:30,479 --> 03:49:37,199
review it. So, you know, that that's
part of why and it's been six months

2895
03:49:36,319 --> 03:49:41,439
easily.
>> Okay.

2896
03:49:39,520 --> 03:49:47,520
» Well, good. Well, thanks for the hard
work on this, you guys. Let's uh take

2897
03:49:44,080 --> 03:49:51,520
all this input and move forward.
Hate to see this money disappear before

2898
03:49:50,560 --> 03:49:59,239
we can use it.
>> Yeah. Any

2899
03:49:54,319 --> 03:49:59,239
questions you have for us, Bill or Mike?

2900
03:49:59,279 --> 03:50:07,920
» Um, not right now. I think, uh, you
know, we heard Mark Mark's comments and

2901
03:50:04,479 --> 03:50:13,120
I think, uh, have good understanding of
some items to revise as it relates to

2902
03:50:10,800 --> 03:50:18,160
that uh, the bike path concept within
the document. Um, and then we'll circle

2903
03:50:15,439 --> 03:50:24,720
back with Melissa and Ann for any other
um items that we need to to clean up or

2904
03:50:21,199 --> 03:50:28,399
incorporate in uh to put together uh a
final draft of that document.

2905
03:50:27,120 --> 03:50:32,359
» Okay. Thank you.
>> Thanks.

2906
03:50:29,120 --> 03:50:32,359
» Thank you.

2907
03:50:34,160 --> 03:50:42,000
» All right. Should we close it out?
Conclude our Lake County Commissioners

2908
03:50:40,239 --> 03:50:48,479
work session. Thanks all for coming.
Thank you everybody online.

2909
03:50:45,520 --> 03:50:53,040
» Thank you chair. Thank you Elsa. Thank
you staff.

2910
03:50:50,800 --> 03:50:58,399
» Thank you Andy.
Get better, Andy. Hey here.