1 00:04:17,170 --> 00:04:17,610 I'm glad I'm clear. 2 00:04:29,650 --> 00:04:29,930 We can. 3 00:04:32,590 --> 00:04:33,150 Thank you. 4 00:05:26,500 --> 00:05:27,700 Recording in progress. 5 00:05:41,510 --> 00:06:04,670 All right. We're going to go back into session and turn the meeting over to the county manager, Jennifer Barker. Yes. Good evening, Madam Chair, commissioners. Tonight we are holding the first of two required public hearings prior to the adoption of the fiscal year 2027 budget. Before Jamie presents the budget information, I would like to highlight a few key points reflected in the proposed tentative budget. 6 00:06:04,670 --> 00:06:06,750 First, the milled rates. 7 00:06:07,030 --> 00:06:11,690 The milled rates remain generally unchanged from the current year with two exceptions. 8 00:06:12,330 --> 00:06:18,630 The wellness-way MSTU milled rate has been reduced by 61% below the rollback rate, 9 00:06:19,150 --> 00:06:25,870 reflecting the increase of 50% increase in the property values within the wellness-way MSTU boundaries. 10 00:06:25,870 --> 00:06:34,350 The public lands voted debt, MSTU Milidrate, has increased by .03 mils. 11 00:06:34,670 --> 00:06:44,070 This increase is necessary to fund the debt service associated with the $50 million public lands acquisition bond approved by the voters in 2024. 12 00:06:44,770 --> 00:06:53,610 The military in the current year was lower because it reflected the final payment on the voter approved debt originally established in 2007, 13 00:06:53,610 --> 00:06:57,070 which also funded the acquisition of public lands. 14 00:06:57,870 --> 00:07:03,230 The budget as presented funds all of the county departments, as well as the constitutional offices. 15 00:07:04,150 --> 00:07:08,970 The minimum wage for the county employees is increased by $1 per hour. 16 00:07:09,570 --> 00:07:15,350 As a result, all non-bargaining employees are receiving either a $1 per hour increase, 17 00:07:16,090 --> 00:07:21,150 or a 4% increase, which ever is greater to avoid compression. 18 00:07:21,150 --> 00:07:28,290 A total of $8.8 million has been allocated for road resurfacing projects in fiscal year 19 00:07:28,290 --> 00:07:33,870 2027, and that includes $3.6 million allocated directly from the general fund. 20 00:07:34,830 --> 00:07:41,110 The general fund operating reserves are budgeted at 13.25% of the operating budget. 21 00:07:41,610 --> 00:07:48,930 By comparison, the fiscal year 2026 adopted budget included reserves of 11% of the operating 22 00:07:48,930 --> 00:07:49,430 budget. 23 00:07:49,430 --> 00:07:56,790 While we have not received a significant amount of reimbursements from FEMA for our hurricane relief efforts to date, 24 00:07:57,210 --> 00:08:07,150 we have realized higher interest earnings than anticipated, and we have also identified operational savings that have increased the reserve level from the prior year. 25 00:08:08,410 --> 00:08:17,830 Finally, I would like to thank the board for the support, and we'd like to extend my thanks to our county staff for all of their efforts in serving the residents of Lake County and 26 00:08:17,830 --> 00:08:22,090 and doing a lot of really hard work to prepare the budget this year. 27 00:08:25,990 --> 00:08:26,830 All right, Jamie. 28 00:08:27,870 --> 00:08:30,650 Hello, and good evening, Madam Chair and commissioners, 29 00:08:30,770 --> 00:08:33,430 Jamie Stewart, Management and Budget Director. 30 00:08:36,340 --> 00:08:41,560 Tonight, we are here for the first of two public hearings on the fiscal year 2027 budget 31 00:08:41,560 --> 00:08:43,460 that are required by Florida Statute. 32 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:47,000 Just as a reminder, this is for the milleges and budget 33 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,400 overseen by the Lay County Board of County Commissioners. 34 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:59,900 If you need information for the public hearings for the school board or any other taxing authority in late county that information is available for you at the back of the room. 35 00:09:00,580 --> 00:09:11,740 The purpose of tonight's meeting is to present the proposed millage rates and their change from the rollback millage rates and the tentative budget for fiscal year 2027. 36 00:09:12,540 --> 00:09:19,360 By the state's definition, the rollback rate is the rate when applied to next year's tax base excluding new construction. 37 00:09:19,360 --> 00:09:23,600 will generate the same revenue as was raised in the previous year. 38 00:09:25,500 --> 00:09:35,140 The agenda for tonight will include the presentation of the proposed millage rates over the rollback rates and the presentation of the tentative budget for fiscal year 2027. 39 00:09:35,780 --> 00:09:39,620 I will then turn it over to the chairman to open the public hearing. 40 00:09:40,320 --> 00:09:43,100 Following the public hearing, the board will have four actions. 41 00:09:43,660 --> 00:09:46,900 Adopt the tentative millage rates for fiscal year 2027. 42 00:09:46,900 --> 00:09:54,140 adopt the changes to the recommended budget approval of the fiscal year 2027 tentative budget and 43 00:09:54,140 --> 00:09:58,120 finally approval of the public hearing date for the final adoption. 44 00:10:00,520 --> 00:10:01,980 First, I would like to review 45 00:10:01,980 --> 00:10:07,780 the property values. Here you will see the July 1st certified property values as provided by the 46 00:10:07,780 --> 00:10:12,400 property appraiser. The countywide millages which include the general fund, ambulance, 47 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:20,000 Ms. TU water authority and public lands voted debt increased 8.78% over the current year values. 48 00:10:20,500 --> 00:10:26,740 The storm water rose in parks, Ms. TU increased 7.48% and the late county fire rescue 49 00:10:26,740 --> 00:10:30,040 Ms. TU increased by 8.58%. 50 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:36,040 The largest increase in property value comes from the wellness way of 56.58%. 51 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:42,520 The final property values for Fiscal Year 2027 will be available on October 1st. 52 00:10:44,090 --> 00:10:49,070 Chapters 129 and 200 of the Florida Statutes outline the procedures for 53 00:10:49,070 --> 00:10:54,170 the annual adoption of tax rates and budgets required that I identify the proposed 54 00:10:54,170 --> 00:10:59,310 milled rates for the 2027 fiscal year, as well as any adjustments the board will consider. 55 00:11:00,130 --> 00:11:18,470 The proposed fiscal year, late county general fund operating knowledge is 5.0254 mills, which is equal to the fiscal year 2026 rate and a 4.19% increase over the rollback rate of 4.8235 mills. 56 00:11:18,470 --> 00:11:36,450 The proposed fiscal year late county ambulance MSTU millage is 0.4629 mills, which is equal to the fiscal year 2026 rate, and a 4.21% increase over the rollback rate of 0.4442 mills. 57 00:11:36,450 --> 00:11:55,850 The proposed fiscal year 2027 late county fire rescue MSTU is 0.48 mils, which is equal to the fiscal year 2026 rate and a 4.6, excuse me, 4.8% increase over the rollback rate of 0.458 mils. 58 00:11:55,850 --> 00:12:00,770 The proposed fiscal year 2027 late county stormwater parks and roads, 59 00:12:00,970 --> 00:12:07,330 MSTU, millage 0.4957 mills, which is equal to the fiscal year 2026 rate. 60 00:12:07,530 --> 00:12:12,690 And a 5.18% increase over the rollback rate of 0.4713 mills. 61 00:12:12,970 --> 00:12:17,570 The proposed fiscal year 2027 late county, well in this way, MSTU, 62 00:12:18,270 --> 00:12:25,250 millage 0.1454 mills, which is less than the fiscal year 2026 rate. 63 00:12:25,250 --> 00:12:31,430 and is 61.2% decrease over the rollback rate of 0.374. 64 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,710 The proposed fiscal year late county, 65 00:12:35,220 --> 00:12:40,750 fiscal year 2027, late county water authority mileage is 0.2940, 66 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:44,710 which is equal to the fiscal year 2026 rate, 67 00:12:44,950 --> 00:12:51,810 and a 4.55% increase over the rollback tax rate of 0.2812 mills. 68 00:12:51,810 --> 00:12:59,230 Based on calculations by the Florida Department of Revenue's DR-420 certification of taxable value form, 69 00:12:59,590 --> 00:13:10,670 the current year proposed aggregate rate of 6.2311 is a 3.21% increase over the aggregate rollback rate of 6.0371. 70 00:13:11,510 --> 00:13:20,690 The last rate is the public land's voted debt milling, which does not figure into the rollback rate calculations as it was approved by a referendum. 71 00:13:20,690 --> 00:13:36,530 The proposed fiscal year 2027 public lands voted debt service millage is 0.0719 mills, which is 79.75% increase from the fiscal year 2026 adopted rate of 0.04. 72 00:13:37,510 --> 00:13:38,350 A 73 00:13:41,100 --> 00:13:55,720 proposed tentative budget, as presented, includes a general fund millage of 5.0254 mills for an estimated ad volume revenue of 37.1 million dollars. 74 00:13:56,160 --> 00:14:04,720 The approved project list for the infrastructure sales tax, fully funded judicial support and constitutional offices in county departments. 75 00:14:04,720 --> 00:14:26,480 This also includes a $17 minimum wage and wage adjustments for compression, and also reflects a general fund operating reserve total of $37.1 million up last year from $28.2 million and an operating reserve of $13.25%. 76 00:14:29,070 --> 00:14:35,370 Here are the department position requests for fiscal year 2027, which includes two new requests. 77 00:14:35,930 --> 00:14:42,470 There's an EMS battalion chief and a coding and quality review specialist, both are fire rescue. 78 00:14:43,450 --> 00:14:47,450 And their impacts are $221,263. 79 00:14:47,850 --> 00:14:49,330 Those are fully loaded positions. 80 00:14:50,230 --> 00:14:53,870 Now I'll turn it back over to the chairman to open for the public hearing. 81 00:14:55,770 --> 00:14:59,130 Okay all right so this is public hearing I see I've got someone 82 00:15:00,110 --> 00:15:13,310 Has called in online, and then I've got a couple cards here. And so we just ask that you limit your comments to three minutes. And the first one is Carl Yock. 83 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:38,380 Carl Yock, I live in the fruitland park and the villages. Now I have a question. I received my tax information, but specifically the line item for the MSTU ambulance. First of all, I want to thank the Lake County 84 00:15:38,380 --> 00:15:41,480 for providing the information that I had requested a couple of months ago. 85 00:15:42,920 --> 00:15:51,380 Specifically, the fruitland park had a consent agreement and that consent agreement 86 00:15:51,380 --> 00:15:55,660 shall be effective until July 12, 2026. 87 00:15:56,340 --> 00:15:59,340 So in other words, that consent agreement has ended. 88 00:15:59,620 --> 00:16:04,740 I checked with the city manager of fruitland park and the city clerk and they said they're 89 00:16:04,740 --> 00:16:06,180 not aware of any renewal of that. 90 00:16:06,180 --> 00:16:13,280 So my question for you is, if that consent agreement which was extended in 2021 for five years, 91 00:16:13,580 --> 00:16:20,120 if it has ended, does that mean I shouldn't be charged that tax? Can you charge without tax approval 92 00:16:20,980 --> 00:16:25,600 by Fruitland Park? So yes, your legal folks would have to answer that one. 93 00:16:27,540 --> 00:16:31,820 Yeah, I'm going to defer to them to see whether they have any information about it. 94 00:16:31,820 --> 00:16:35,020 I know that I don't have any right with me. 95 00:16:35,180 --> 00:16:39,380 I'll have to look into that if we could get your information we can reach out to you. 96 00:16:39,760 --> 00:16:39,800 Okay. 97 00:16:40,180 --> 00:16:40,460 All right. 98 00:16:45,800 --> 00:16:46,480 All right. 99 00:16:46,820 --> 00:16:47,320 Connie. 100 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:47,960 Earlbert. 101 00:16:52,670 --> 00:16:54,430 Good evening commissioners. 102 00:16:56,760 --> 00:17:02,360 I had planned on spending a lot more time working on this but the energy decided I didn't need 103 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:02,940 that time. 104 00:17:03,720 --> 00:17:06,760 I was lucky to get my hair done before I got over here. 105 00:17:08,580 --> 00:17:23,840 But one of the things that I want to, I'm going to call it break because, or bitch, pick your, pick your verb, but I find out that, yes, we did increase the impact fees in 2023. 106 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:34,420 Unfortunately, a lot of that more than half of it was defrared until October 1, 2026. 107 00:17:34,420 --> 00:17:40,500 So it turns out from 2008 when we had the recession, 108 00:17:41,140 --> 00:17:45,600 the builders got off scuff for it, it seems like. 109 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:52,580 On a lot of back taxes that the general public picked up and paid for, correct me if I'm wrong. 110 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:59,180 But that is exactly how it's described by GROC, is that. 111 00:17:59,180 --> 00:18:08,140 But following a study, they showed that the fees were substantially below-calculated need. 112 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:18,900 And it goes on down below about how long a texture recover or actually get up to speed 113 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:23,080 with this taxes, which is going to be October 1, 2026. 114 00:18:24,100 --> 00:18:30,580 And so I bring that up for one very big obvious reason that everybody on this board should 115 00:18:30,580 --> 00:18:35,860 be aware of is that we are going to have an economic financial crisis again. 116 00:18:36,460 --> 00:18:40,340 If it's not this year, it will be next year, but it will be. 117 00:18:40,340 --> 00:18:53,220 And so I would like to see that, you know, people's homes are not taxed even more. 118 00:18:53,860 --> 00:18:58,160 In fact, I think we're going to have to go backwards, so I'd kind of worn the board 119 00:18:58,160 --> 00:19:08,020 to maybe start the exercise of figuring out how we're going to make things work over the next 20 years 120 00:19:08,020 --> 00:19:18,700 because it's not going forward like this, we are what, even if amendment 3 does not pass, 121 00:19:19,780 --> 00:19:24,440 we still have the issue with the crash, either right, take your pick. 122 00:19:29,150 --> 00:19:33,890 We have someone online, if you could... 123 00:19:33,890 --> 00:19:36,730 Austin Hare, please unmute your line and state your name for the record. 124 00:19:39,100 --> 00:19:40,220 Hello, my name is Austin Hare. 125 00:19:40,220 --> 00:19:42,400 Are you ready to talk? 126 00:19:42,980 --> 00:19:43,620 Yes, please. 127 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:46,000 Hi, good evening. 128 00:19:46,220 --> 00:19:49,540 My own three rental properties in Lake County on Watchlar Avenue and Guilford Road. 129 00:19:50,460 --> 00:19:56,180 Just with the proposed increase, my taxes would go up in additional $2,000 per year. 130 00:19:57,380 --> 00:20:02,100 And so, you just, you heard that the milledrate is not increasing and that is true, 131 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:03,540 but it's also not the test. 132 00:20:03,740 --> 00:20:08,780 So, Florida statute 200.065 does not measure a tax increase against last year's tax rate. 133 00:20:08,780 --> 00:20:13,760 it measures it against the road back rate. The road back rate for the general fund is 4.825 134 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:20,760 and you are proposing 5.025. That's a 4.19 percent tax increase and state law requires you to 135 00:20:20,760 --> 00:20:27,940 advertise it as one. Your slide shows total millage dropping 0.313. Every bit of that was wellness 136 00:20:27,940 --> 00:20:35,700 way going from 0.45 to 0.145 and wellness way is 928 million dollars of a 48.7 billion dollar tax 137 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:49,640 less than 2%. So if you look at the own change column for every other line, the general fund zero, ambulance zero, fire zero, stormwater zero, water authority zero, there's no countywide decrease in the budget. 138 00:20:50,560 --> 00:21:00,440 So you already know that rising values should bring the rate down. You applied that rule to wellness way because it's values rose. Everyone else's values rose 8.7% and you're holding flat. 139 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:07,460 Now, your own slide says the general fund role grew from $44.8 billion to $48.7 billion. 140 00:21:07,980 --> 00:21:10,920 The rollback rate only backs out 4.19 points of that. 141 00:21:11,720 --> 00:21:13,280 The rest is new construction, about $2 billion. 142 00:21:13,900 --> 00:21:16,360 And you keep every dollar of that at the rollback rate. 143 00:21:16,700 --> 00:21:19,260 That's $9.9 million in new general fund revenue. 144 00:21:20,060 --> 00:21:23,680 Rolling the general fund back to $4.82 cost $9.8 million. 145 00:21:23,940 --> 00:21:26,060 New construction more than pays for the entire rollback. 146 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:29,920 You can adopt the rollback rate tonight and still have more money than you had last year. 147 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:32,720 You are not choosing between a rollback and a budget cut. 148 00:21:32,860 --> 00:21:35,960 You're choosing to take the extra $9.8 million on top of the growth you already have. 149 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:42,220 And you raise reserves from 11% to 13.25% this year on interest earnings, you did not expect 150 00:21:42,220 --> 00:21:43,120 in savings you found. 151 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:44,420 So your policy ceiling is 12. 152 00:21:45,180 --> 00:21:48,140 You bank the windfall and you're still asking me for 4% more. 153 00:21:48,900 --> 00:21:51,980 On FEMA, that's a receivable, not a loss, I believe. 154 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:53,520 The money is owed to you and it will arrive. 155 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,980 A cash flow timing problem doesn't justify a permanent increase. 156 00:21:56,980 --> 00:21:59,760 millage compounds into the base every year. 157 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:01,180 FEMA reimbursement arrives once. 158 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:03,720 You know this can be done because it has been done here. 159 00:22:03,860 --> 00:22:05,880 Last year, North Lake Hospital District proposed 160 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:08,880 the rate 16.6% over rollback 161 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,600 than adopted the rollback rate at its hearing. 162 00:22:11,200 --> 00:22:13,000 I'm not contesting the voted debt, 163 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,900 butters approved and it should be paid. 164 00:22:16,940 --> 00:22:19,340 But I adopt the rollback rates for the general fund, 165 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,740 and that's 4.8235. 166 00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:22,300 Thank you. 167 00:22:23,560 --> 00:22:24,240 Thank you. 168 00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:29,640 any other callers online? No. Okay. All right. 169 00:22:33,660 --> 00:22:37,840 I'll bring it back to the board for discussion. 170 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:40,760 I don't have any other cards on this first item. 171 00:22:43,180 --> 00:22:45,840 I do have one card on 28, which is after 172 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:52,560 we finish the budget items. So just a, I mean, a couple comments that I'd like to make with 173 00:22:52,560 --> 00:23:01,100 regard to. Okay. Okay. You go ahead. Okay. So, um, on your operating reserves, 174 00:23:01,100 --> 00:23:13,040 it said we had a 13.25 million, but it includes the 3.6 million, uh, infrastructure, road 175 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:23,680 infrastructure reserves. Yes, sir. So, is that 13.25 and 3.6 or minus the 3.6? So, we 176 00:23:23,680 --> 00:23:26,220 We really only have 12.75. 177 00:23:26,900 --> 00:23:32,160 The 13.25 is the percentage of the operating budget. 178 00:23:32,340 --> 00:23:36,300 The actual reserve amount is 37.1 million. 179 00:23:36,540 --> 00:23:39,360 37.1 million, which includes a 3.6. 180 00:23:39,480 --> 00:23:40,400 Which includes the? 181 00:23:40,980 --> 00:23:41,280 Correct. 182 00:23:41,940 --> 00:23:45,400 Yes, without the 3.6, it's the 33 million. 183 00:23:46,500 --> 00:23:46,820 You're okay. 184 00:23:47,140 --> 00:23:49,740 So 37.1 minus the 3.6. 185 00:23:52,110 --> 00:23:52,290 Okay. 186 00:23:53,050 --> 00:23:53,670 That's all I have. 187 00:23:53,670 --> 00:23:54,450 question? 188 00:23:54,970 --> 00:23:56,890 Question about roads. 189 00:23:57,170 --> 00:24:03,370 So as we get more, we haven't gotten, how much have we not received, sorry, from FEMA 190 00:24:03,370 --> 00:24:04,870 yet for reimbursements back? 191 00:24:05,430 --> 00:24:12,710 We've only received approximately, we've spent 18 million on the hurricane since 2022. 192 00:24:12,710 --> 00:24:16,210 We've received approximately 4 million back total. 193 00:24:16,690 --> 00:24:17,310 Since what year? 194 00:24:17,810 --> 00:24:18,790 Since it's 2022. 195 00:24:18,790 --> 00:24:26,590 We've had hurricanes every year since 2022, the exception of last year, it's a total of 18 million spent. 196 00:24:27,410 --> 00:24:34,890 Right, because I want to balance, I want to grow the reserves, I think we all do, but also put more into road projects. 197 00:24:35,330 --> 00:24:41,110 So are we going to some kind of regular basis moving forward when we get to October 1st, 198 00:24:41,110 --> 00:24:45,770 the new year have chances to allocate more to roads? 199 00:24:45,770 --> 00:24:51,310 So we will have the mid-year adjustment, the first mid-year adjustment will be in January. 200 00:24:51,830 --> 00:24:57,370 So at that point we'll see where we finish the current fiscal year, but we have, if we 201 00:24:57,370 --> 00:25:03,510 have an additional revenue that came in that was unanticipated, or if we have FEMA reimbursements 202 00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:04,650 that we need to recognize. 203 00:25:04,930 --> 00:25:11,390 At that point the board is able to allocate those funds in any way that they need necessary. 204 00:25:11,810 --> 00:25:14,770 So whether it's for red projects or reserves or what have you. 205 00:25:14,770 --> 00:25:35,970 Okay, so just for the record, based off the conversation this morning, this morning's meeting with our staff presenting the road plan, I would obviously look forward to any opportunity this year, this coming year to allocate more towards road projects as we receive those sources coming back from FEMA or whatever they may be. 206 00:25:35,970 --> 00:25:56,650 So because there's, and I referenced this morning without going into all the details anybody that's listening can certainly pick up that presentation, but there's quite a gap in trying to make up for the funding of our roads and that's why we have a mistake and didn't we have our percentage of the female money coming back going to roads that we had that discussion. 207 00:25:56,650 --> 00:26:03,170 We had that discussion and it was discussed that I don't think it was laid it on a specific percentage 208 00:26:03,170 --> 00:26:10,990 But it was we were told that when it comes in to bring that back to the board to have that allocated as the board's off 209 00:26:10,990 --> 00:26:13,790 It right so we waited 210 00:26:15,110 --> 00:26:22,910 Almost five years and received four million. So what do we need to do to because we spent the money out 211 00:26:22,910 --> 00:26:28,110 So what do we need to do to get the money back? 212 00:26:28,890 --> 00:26:40,090 So we can reach out to, we have been in contact with FEMA weekly, I would say weekly, we have weekly meetings with FEMA with FEMA and the state because it goes through the state as well. 213 00:26:41,130 --> 00:26:48,730 If we want to speed up the process, we can certainly reach out to our lobbyist in Washington to have some meetings set up with FEMA directly. 214 00:26:48,730 --> 00:26:52,390 we did do that many years ago for Hurricane Irma. 215 00:26:52,790 --> 00:26:55,890 We had a long delay in getting our reimbursements back. 216 00:26:56,030 --> 00:26:58,490 We set up meetings in Washington and we actually had 217 00:26:58,490 --> 00:27:02,870 representation up in Washington to meet with FEMA representatives 218 00:27:02,870 --> 00:27:06,690 as well as both Senator Rubio at the time and Senator Scott. 219 00:27:07,530 --> 00:27:12,810 So I think that would be a direction I would like to see is we need to get this money back. 220 00:27:12,810 --> 00:27:17,670 And instead of having a weekly call, let's call every two, it's called twice a week. 221 00:27:18,730 --> 00:27:25,470 or every day? Are you calling on specific projects that you want or you'd call in 222 00:27:25,470 --> 00:27:31,130 gerality up? Are we going to get our money? No, they go over the specific projects documentation 223 00:27:31,130 --> 00:27:37,470 that's needed or lacking. Jamie, can you get into more specifics? Yes, anything that's pending. 224 00:27:37,670 --> 00:27:43,210 We do have a review with our representatives, both from FEMA and Florida PA. We meet with them. 225 00:27:43,210 --> 00:27:47,410 I actually talked to her about 10 minutes before I walk down here, so I got a little bit of a 226 00:27:47,410 --> 00:27:53,130 had started on you, there's $11.8 million that is outstanding right now, that's our total. 227 00:27:53,650 --> 00:27:59,950 We have $1.3 million that's already been reviewed by the state and validated, so 228 00:27:59,950 --> 00:28:02,690 we should have that hopefully, hopefully soon. 229 00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:12,810 I can get more number specifics, but 11.8 is the total that we're waiting on right now in various areas of approval. 230 00:28:12,810 --> 00:28:16,050 and are you seeing where we're locking in anything? 231 00:28:17,050 --> 00:28:20,890 I cannot, I can ask our grants department, if she can go any further. 232 00:28:21,150 --> 00:28:26,070 We respond very quickly any time they have a question for us or in need of receipts 233 00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:31,130 or to validate a project, anything like that, we respond immediately. 234 00:28:33,090 --> 00:28:38,310 And you guys probably remember too, while we were going through it, we were doing everything 235 00:28:38,310 --> 00:28:42,610 possible to do everything by the book so that we made sure that everything was documented 236 00:28:42,610 --> 00:28:48,430 We were doing everything the way that they required so that when this happened, we could show that we, you know, 237 00:28:49,170 --> 00:28:51,350 We need to start charging interest to 238 00:28:52,710 --> 00:28:53,150 Yeah 239 00:28:54,710 --> 00:28:55,630 But I think 240 00:28:56,850 --> 00:29:03,130 Getting them to pay it in here. I am curious. So, you know, how many other jurisdictions in the state of Florida are going through the same thing? 241 00:29:03,270 --> 00:29:08,470 Have the same hurricane that they still have, you know, outstanding amounts of 242 00:29:09,710 --> 00:29:11,290 If not all of them 243 00:29:11,990 --> 00:29:16,770 And then with the government shut down at the federal level for many, many months, that 244 00:29:17,230 --> 00:29:19,190 of course slowed down the entire process. 245 00:29:19,450 --> 00:29:19,590 Right. 246 00:29:19,870 --> 00:29:22,610 So you couldn't even have these discussions, because there was nobody there to have 247 00:29:22,610 --> 00:29:23,430 discussions with. 248 00:29:24,250 --> 00:29:30,090 So just one thing that Connie said that I'm not sure if I was clear on it, but I think you 249 00:29:30,090 --> 00:29:31,070 were talking about the impact. 250 00:29:31,170 --> 00:29:36,050 She was talking about the impact fees way back in 2008 when the recession happened and the 251 00:29:36,050 --> 00:29:36,330 crash. 252 00:29:36,330 --> 00:29:41,030 and there were no permits being issued very few permits. 253 00:29:41,350 --> 00:29:47,370 So you weren't, I've always made the argument that you weren't losing out on revenue from 254 00:29:47,370 --> 00:29:52,510 impact fees because you didn't have permits being issued for impact fees to be paid on. 255 00:29:52,730 --> 00:29:59,970 So those dichotomist or folks that like to make that argument, they don't have to do that. 256 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:29,980 Actually, calculate in what was issued and the fact that the economy was struggling so badly that the hope was that at least something would be going on in the local economy to keep people working. So anyway, we're at our highest impact fee rate that we can be at currently. And staff will let us know when it's time to revisit that, whether we need to do a new study or what are percentages that we can increase to to make sure that we're 257 00:30:29,980 --> 00:30:32,980 We're charging the amount that we are allowed to charge by state law. 258 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:35,540 Correct. And we will have to do the new study next year. 259 00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,020 So that will be during fiscal year 27. 260 00:30:38,580 --> 00:30:40,740 Okay. And we actually went above. 261 00:30:40,980 --> 00:30:45,860 We actually went above what was required because we had the unusual circumstances. 262 00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:53,620 Extraordinary, extraordinary circumstances that allow us to go even higher than the state. 263 00:30:53,880 --> 00:30:55,580 So we went as high as we possibly could. 264 00:30:55,580 --> 00:30:57,940 but now we're stuck for four years, right? 265 00:30:58,340 --> 00:31:01,120 But we go back into calculation next year. 266 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:02,000 Right, yeah. 267 00:31:02,260 --> 00:31:03,880 And we were challenged on that actually 268 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,940 by the development community. 269 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,220 But one of the things I had asked staff to do 270 00:31:10,220 --> 00:31:12,200 and maybe at the next meeting we could go over is, 271 00:31:12,660 --> 00:31:16,380 I was wanting to have a short synopsis 272 00:31:16,380 --> 00:31:18,200 of all of the different funding sources 273 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:22,400 like on an annual basis that go into transportation needs 274 00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:31,800 So that we're, you know, actually seeing the dollar amounts every year, I mean, today we saw projects that are on the five-year plan, ones that are being worked on, ones that will be worked on over the next five years. 275 00:31:32,280 --> 00:31:48,040 But just to get, you know, a short explanation so that when we are speaking to members of the public about how we fund transportation and where the funding sources come from, we can actually show, you know, these amount of dollars come in every year from gas taxes, for example. 276 00:31:48,040 --> 00:31:55,600 they go to resurfacing or maintenance or mowing or stormwater issues which ones are allocated for 277 00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:01,480 capital projects whether it's sales tax money, impact fee money, federal grants, state grants, 278 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:08,620 and just to have it all in one place to look at and because a lot of times we hear from folks that 279 00:32:08,620 --> 00:32:13,220 well I don't see anything happening well there's projects going on constantly mowing that's going on 280 00:32:13,220 --> 00:32:19,680 constantly repairs, maintenance, resurfacing, so it really does help to have that information 281 00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:26,220 to point to, and I know that public works staff had indicated they were going to be doing 282 00:32:26,220 --> 00:32:32,140 more regular updates to let us know, you know, every couple weeks to once a month, like 283 00:32:32,140 --> 00:32:33,380 here are the things that are happening. 284 00:32:33,700 --> 00:32:37,600 I would like to see that on the county website so that people can see where projects are 285 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,440 actually occurring and track them. 286 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:48,040 But that's obviously transportation is a big issue and I think when we have our workshop 287 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:57,360 and coming months retreat, we can talk more about strategies for trying to put pressure 288 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:03,360 on the state to help us maybe with new funding formulas or different ways to get money back 289 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:07,700 to local governments to take care of our roads. 290 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:29,920 And when you're doing that data, I would also encourage you to have all the sources that we get for transportation that we could allocate on a simple graph and in the cost that's going to be required to meet all those needs and you'll see a growing delta, if you will, gap to as I just think the residents need to see that it's a math problem currently. 291 00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:36,020 I think the state legislatures need to see that it's a delta and that it's a matter of law and that it's a problem all over the state of Florida. 292 00:33:36,020 --> 00:33:43,760 So I think that's really who needs the case needs to be made to because the money's not going to come locally because it's simply not something that you can catch up on. 293 00:33:43,860 --> 00:33:49,240 It's something that has to be tackled at a state level and a reason. 294 00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:50,080 I don't disagree. 295 00:33:50,420 --> 00:33:54,780 Yeah, I just, people think it's something we can do. 296 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:56,560 All is all us. 297 00:33:56,980 --> 00:34:01,300 But there is, there is, those issues about previous gaps 298 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,000 and unfunded mandates and things that we've got to keep up with. 299 00:34:07,300 --> 00:34:11,560 So the magic wand is to go borrow what, $700 million, 300 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:13,960 to get all the food infrastructure done. 301 00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:14,860 And think about that. 302 00:34:14,900 --> 00:34:16,080 I think they want to pay that back. 303 00:34:16,180 --> 00:34:17,340 I don't think the public would want to pay it. 304 00:34:17,340 --> 00:34:19,100 But think about that, that would be like county roads. 305 00:34:19,300 --> 00:34:20,080 That wouldn't be state roads. 306 00:34:20,100 --> 00:34:20,360 Exactly. 307 00:34:20,540 --> 00:34:22,700 So you'd still have deficiencies all over the county 308 00:34:22,700 --> 00:34:23,820 that would be state roads. 309 00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:24,460 So the problems are. 310 00:34:24,800 --> 00:34:27,200 So yeah, it's just one part of the equation. 311 00:34:29,300 --> 00:34:31,420 I think that I just want to thank staff 312 00:34:31,420 --> 00:34:34,120 for the presentations, very thorough, appreciate it. 313 00:34:34,460 --> 00:34:37,180 I know the concern is always we want the taxes to go down, 314 00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:39,140 but the cost keep going up for the things 315 00:34:39,140 --> 00:34:40,380 that we have to pay for. 316 00:34:40,760 --> 00:34:44,240 And whether it's salaries, meeting minimum wage, 317 00:34:44,240 --> 00:34:49,080 age, compression, the things that we talked about tonight, just the cost of goods and services. 318 00:34:49,700 --> 00:34:54,120 Those are the things that we're trying to keep up with, and it's not just our county government, 319 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:55,880 our county department budget. 320 00:34:56,340 --> 00:35:02,000 We're funding the constitutional officers, the sheriff, the supervisor elections, the tax collector, 321 00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,280 the property appraiser, the clerk, aspects of the clerk's budget. 322 00:35:06,460 --> 00:35:10,760 So there's a lot that goes into the budget and it all comes back to the actual cost, 323 00:35:11,060 --> 00:35:12,620 the cost of providing the service. 324 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:20,020 and I think we're trying really hard to be lean but keeping up with the increases 325 00:35:20,020 --> 00:35:27,020 and costs is the challenge. So with that and we have no other, now Commissioner 326 00:35:27,020 --> 00:35:31,560 Savitini is on the line. Yes. Okay, so I don't know if he wanted any comments to 327 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:36,360 make or wanted to wait until we took our... No comments so I agree with all the 328 00:35:36,360 --> 00:35:42,300 comments. Thank you very much and good privacy. All right, so this is the requested 329 00:35:42,300 --> 00:35:49,760 action is the approval of the tentative military for 2027. We can make that as one motion. 330 00:35:51,240 --> 00:35:55,260 Excuse me. You can make it as one motion or you can vote on them individually. 331 00:35:59,380 --> 00:35:59,700 All right, 332 00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:04,470 do we have a motion on the floor? 333 00:36:06,990 --> 00:36:08,970 Move approval. Move to approve their current 334 00:36:08,970 --> 00:36:13,410 rates. Second. All right. We have a first. We have a second. Any further discussion? 335 00:36:13,410 --> 00:36:21,430 Yep, I have a question on the fire rescue MSTU this does not, is this the, um, include the? 336 00:36:22,170 --> 00:36:33,250 This is not fire assessment. This is just the, the millage. All right. All right. We have a motion. We have second all in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? That passes unanimously? 337 00:36:36,330 --> 00:36:43,390 That was an aye. That was an aye. Yeah. Thank you. No, I was, I was in favor. Sorry. It's like a slight delay, but I was in favor of that. 338 00:36:43,410 --> 00:36:43,850 That was a yes. 339 00:36:44,110 --> 00:36:44,310 Thanks. 340 00:36:45,130 --> 00:36:45,910 All right. 341 00:36:46,070 --> 00:36:47,190 The moving on to the. 342 00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:47,590 All right. 343 00:36:47,770 --> 00:36:48,110 The budget. 344 00:36:48,770 --> 00:36:53,590 Since the approval of the recommended budget in July, there has been various changes starting 345 00:36:53,590 --> 00:36:55,410 with the county departments and offices. 346 00:36:56,470 --> 00:37:00,350 We've updated the fund balance and revenue projections. 347 00:37:01,190 --> 00:37:06,530 The infrastructure sales tax approved project list, the updated tax collector budget request, 348 00:37:07,150 --> 00:37:11,010 the updated capital project rebudgets at $35.7 million. 349 00:37:11,010 --> 00:37:17,650 in the incorporated purchase order carry forward estimates are $85.6 million. 350 00:37:18,230 --> 00:37:27,230 The grant awarded adjustments at $21.4 million and other miscellaneous changes and adjustments for $213,000. 351 00:37:28,530 --> 00:37:30,530 Now for the requested action. 352 00:37:31,430 --> 00:37:37,430 We are requesting approval to adopt the changes from the previous page to the fiscal year 2027 recommended budget, 353 00:37:37,430 --> 00:37:43,490 The totaling $150,000,000, $80,000, $143.00. 354 00:37:52,030 --> 00:37:52,570 Who's your first? 355 00:37:54,530 --> 00:37:54,970 Second. 356 00:37:55,610 --> 00:37:55,970 All right. 357 00:37:56,230 --> 00:37:56,770 We have a first noise. 358 00:37:57,230 --> 00:37:57,590 Have a second. 359 00:37:57,830 --> 00:37:59,950 I called for cards earlier. 360 00:38:00,070 --> 00:38:01,110 We don't have any other cards. 361 00:38:01,210 --> 00:38:04,050 I just want to make clear that we had the public hearing open. 362 00:38:04,490 --> 00:38:06,430 If there's anyone else that wishes to speak. 363 00:38:07,810 --> 00:38:08,330 All right. 364 00:38:08,450 --> 00:38:09,750 We have a motion to second on the floor. 365 00:38:09,930 --> 00:38:10,810 All in favor say aye. 366 00:38:11,170 --> 00:38:11,530 Aye. 367 00:38:11,870 --> 00:38:12,410 Any opposed? 368 00:38:13,490 --> 00:38:14,790 Commissioner Sabatini, you said aye. 369 00:38:15,070 --> 00:38:15,250 Correct? 370 00:38:15,850 --> 00:38:15,990 Aye. 371 00:38:15,990 --> 00:38:22,190 All right, that's 5-0, moving on to the tentative budget. 372 00:38:22,730 --> 00:38:23,230 Yes, ma'am. 373 00:38:23,410 --> 00:38:28,990 Next we have the requested approval to adopt the fiscal year 2027 tentative budget, totaling 374 00:38:28,990 --> 00:38:33,750 $1,109,315,071 dollars. 375 00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:39,100 Move approval. 376 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:40,620 All right. 377 00:38:42,830 --> 00:38:43,310 Second. 378 00:38:44,110 --> 00:38:44,710 All right. 379 00:38:44,810 --> 00:38:45,230 We have a first. 380 00:38:45,370 --> 00:38:45,850 We have a second. 381 00:38:46,030 --> 00:38:46,930 Any further discussion? 382 00:38:47,630 --> 00:38:48,830 All in favor say aye. 383 00:38:49,250 --> 00:38:49,550 Aye. 384 00:38:49,870 --> 00:38:50,290 Any opposed? 385 00:38:50,290 --> 00:38:53,630 All right, that approves the tentative budget. 386 00:38:53,910 --> 00:38:54,450 I am favor. 387 00:38:55,770 --> 00:39:15,990 Lastly, I have the requested action to approve the days to hold the public hearing for final adoption of the fiscal year 2027 milled rates and budget on September 22nd, 2026 at 505 PM or soon thereafter as possible in the Board of County Commissioners Chambers 315 West Main Street to varies Florida. 388 00:39:17,690 --> 00:39:20,250 do we have a motion to set that date and time? 389 00:39:20,530 --> 00:39:21,350 I'll leave a proof. 390 00:39:22,290 --> 00:39:22,430 Second. 391 00:39:23,430 --> 00:39:24,990 All right, all in favor say aye. 392 00:39:25,410 --> 00:39:25,730 Aye. 393 00:39:26,370 --> 00:39:27,310 Commissioner Sabatini. 394 00:39:27,830 --> 00:39:28,590 Aye, in favor. 395 00:39:29,190 --> 00:39:30,550 Okay, that passes 5-0. 396 00:39:32,010 --> 00:39:37,810 All right, that concludes our budget items, and now we have our next tab, and I'll turn 397 00:39:37,810 --> 00:39:38,930 that over to the county attorney. 398 00:39:40,170 --> 00:39:43,190 Okay, this will be an ordinance of the Board of County Commissioners of Lake County, Florida, 399 00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:49,990 Support us suspending the acceptance of development applications for data centers, data center facilities and data center utilities within unincorporated Lake County. 400 00:39:50,470 --> 00:39:53,170 Providing for severability, providing for inclusion in the code, providing for 401 00:39:53,170 --> 00:39:55,430 filing department, state, and providing for an effective date. 402 00:39:55,830 --> 00:39:57,430 This is your second and final reading. 403 00:39:57,650 --> 00:40:00,450 If you approve this today, I'll become 2026-43. 404 00:40:01,090 --> 00:40:09,390 And if you recall at your first reading, the motion at the time was to reduce this from a one year suspension to a 90 day suspension. 405 00:40:09,390 --> 00:40:14,370 direction, directing staff to bring back a ordinance to create a CUP process within 406 00:40:14,370 --> 00:40:19,090 that 90-day timeframe. So again, this will be the 90-day suspension of acceptance of 407 00:40:19,090 --> 00:40:20,650 applications if you approve it tonight. 408 00:40:24,360 --> 00:40:25,000 Move to approve. 409 00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:26,340 Second. 410 00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:30,720 All right. This is the public hearing. I'm going to open up the floor, anyone that wishes 411 00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:31,880 to speak on this topic. 412 00:40:35,340 --> 00:40:39,700 Yes, I'm going to, you do have a card here, tab 28. 413 00:40:39,700 --> 00:40:40,340 I 414 00:40:42,650 --> 00:40:45,470 finished up my thoughts on this from last week. 415 00:40:45,950 --> 00:40:54,880 I started off in that direction and forgot what I was going to say, which was that I had 416 00:40:54,880 --> 00:41:00,400 to have my license renewed a few years ago and I required like 40 years with the documents. 417 00:41:00,700 --> 00:41:09,360 I was livid, well turns out after the 2020 election, I was doing some election integrity 418 00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:15,420 investigation on loan, and I discovered that there were seven companies that the state 419 00:41:15,420 --> 00:41:21,340 of Florida allowed full access to the driver's license state base. 420 00:41:22,140 --> 00:41:30,020 Some of those were very benign, but the one that caught my attention was Lexus Nexus, most 421 00:41:30,020 --> 00:41:31,420 of you know what that is. 422 00:41:33,460 --> 00:41:41,140 their parent company is in London, so basically everybody's information in this whole room 423 00:41:41,140 --> 00:41:46,360 has been public information for who knows how long. 424 00:41:46,660 --> 00:41:51,820 And now I'm understanding there's 70 companies now that have access to that database 425 00:41:51,820 --> 00:41:55,220 that they should not have, but I digress. 426 00:41:55,220 --> 00:42:04,640 the Internet is forever and AI should not happen. I have a feeling that we'll be coming back 427 00:42:04,640 --> 00:42:10,940 in some other form at some later date but this is as good as we can get for now as just say no. 428 00:42:17,210 --> 00:42:22,830 Okay, let's see. Do we have anyone else? I don't have any other cards. I don't see anyone else online 429 00:42:22,830 --> 00:42:27,590 so we can go back to the motion to approve and this puts a pause on 430 00:42:27,590 --> 00:42:35,110 And processing or accepting any applications for data centers while we work on a conditional 431 00:42:35,110 --> 00:42:43,150 use permit process or other application process where we would define parameters. 432 00:42:45,190 --> 00:42:50,370 So in this document it says the purpose of this ordinance is allow Lake County sufficient 433 00:42:50,370 --> 00:42:55,070 time to review study and whole public hearings prepare and adopt amendments or amendments to 434 00:42:55,070 --> 00:43:00,510 the land development regulations and code of ordinances related to data center, data center, 435 00:43:00,770 --> 00:43:02,410 center facilities and data center utilities. 436 00:43:03,750 --> 00:43:12,650 That would be the only reason why I am going to approve of this one because it's given 437 00:43:12,650 --> 00:43:13,930 us time to get all the facts. 438 00:43:14,530 --> 00:43:18,770 There's still hasn't been a delineation of what is actually as a data center. 439 00:43:18,770 --> 00:43:34,770 And I hope that we can come up with the definition of a data center because most people again are worried about water usage and power usage and to me, a data center is three or four servers or higher. 440 00:43:35,090 --> 00:43:44,070 So I'm okay with this ordinance as long as we can get it done in 90 days with a solid answer of what actually is our cut off. 441 00:43:45,730 --> 00:43:51,210 Yeah, and I think you're right there with me because you're more of water and power usage 442 00:43:51,210 --> 00:43:52,950 and it's like with everybody else's. 443 00:43:53,250 --> 00:43:55,970 Yeah, I want to thank staff. 444 00:43:56,150 --> 00:44:02,990 I mean, we've already provided some suggestions just as any of us could do on anything with staff and work on them. 445 00:44:02,990 --> 00:44:07,750 And one of them is a quite lengthy definition proposed definition of data center which I think is right. 446 00:44:07,870 --> 00:44:11,210 You have to define it first in the definition section of the code. 447 00:44:11,210 --> 00:44:18,210 and then you would hit probably 3.14 with the CUP, which looks like they're well on their way. 448 00:44:18,850 --> 00:44:27,790 I know they got a lot to do, but you're well on your way to getting a nice code done within 90 days, so I appreciate that. 449 00:44:31,200 --> 00:44:34,040 I agree with both commissioners. 450 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:39,440 We need to make sure that we do have it all done within the 90 days. 451 00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:43,360 He said, not possibly the CUP, but we need to know where we're headed. 452 00:44:45,220 --> 00:44:50,700 And I'm not one for moratoriums or suspensions, whatever you want to call it, it's just bad 453 00:44:50,700 --> 00:44:51,720 business in my book. 454 00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,880 But 90 days should give us enough time to do research on this. 455 00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:56,820 Yes. 456 00:44:57,580 --> 00:44:59,880 We know that with the Florida statute that 457 00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,940 There is a requirement for a conditional use permit for what they define as large load data centers. So in my mind, I'm anticipating that we come back with like different thresholds. And they are tied back to the electricity usage. And you know, based on the things that I've seen and I've read, it's hard for me to fathom a scenario in Lake County where we could actually accommodate a large 458 00:45:29,940 --> 00:45:37,100 Low data center, when I look at where our lakes are, where our rural lands are, where our cities are at, and so forth. 459 00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:40,660 I understand the concern from an economic development standpoint. 460 00:45:40,660 --> 00:45:58,420 You don't want to send a message out that we're anti-business, but at the same time, it's really hard for me to find a messinaria where one of these would fit within the land masses that we have in Lake County and still be able to protect our water, our electricity and our quality of life. 461 00:45:58,420 --> 00:46:07,340 But I'm keeping an open mind at this point, but I'm 100% in favor of this suspension while we gather more information. 462 00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:15,400 Yeah, and I just, because we, you know, had a couple questions about this and at least what I've provided staff, I think we talked about this maybe the last meeting. 463 00:46:15,960 --> 00:46:24,180 But, you know, a CUP process is good because it's going to say right up front that a data center is not a guaranteed right. 464 00:46:24,180 --> 00:46:28,660 Right, so when you have the traditional Euclidean zoning and the standard zoning that we have, 465 00:46:29,220 --> 00:46:32,160 there might be people work around and things that people can do. 466 00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:42,820 So like you, the chair, it would be a pretty extensive process that they have to prove that it's going to be right for us, but it gives us the ability to turn it down. 467 00:46:43,900 --> 00:46:52,360 And you say you didn't show us the data, will you do, that they might have presented the data to staff on water use, or maybe it was fuzzy, but 468 00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,160 but they presented enough to get to the hearing, 469 00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:57,560 but we're able to say we don't believe it 470 00:46:57,560 --> 00:47:00,040 and we don't see a fit for it here. 471 00:47:00,740 --> 00:47:03,320 I think the most important part of this is this concern 472 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,480 that a zoning that already exists or a land use 473 00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,380 that already exists would create a right. 474 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:09,900 And I think that's what you're referring to. 475 00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:10,160 Yes. 476 00:47:10,600 --> 00:47:12,600 Is that by creating a process, 477 00:47:12,900 --> 00:47:14,920 you're saying that land use or that zoning 478 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:16,800 doesn't in and of itself create a right. 479 00:47:17,420 --> 00:47:19,360 And that's why we have to come up with criteria. 480 00:47:19,780 --> 00:47:21,060 Then the key is going to be 481 00:47:21,060 --> 00:47:25,980 whether they can actually prove that they meet the criteria needed to protect the quality 482 00:47:25,980 --> 00:47:29,720 of life, the water, the, you know, all of the other things that we've heard that can 483 00:47:29,720 --> 00:47:32,280 negatively affect the surrounding community. 484 00:47:33,180 --> 00:47:33,220 So. 485 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:40,040 And the most significant point of it is that any of these data centers would have to come in 486 00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:42,140 front of us, which is in front of the public. 487 00:47:42,500 --> 00:47:42,640 Yeah. 488 00:47:42,980 --> 00:47:43,120 Yeah. 489 00:47:43,120 --> 00:47:45,140 Oh, it's complete transparency in that part. 490 00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,700 So, well, it will be more knowledgeable in how to ask the questions. 491 00:47:48,700 --> 00:47:52,400 what kind of use, water uses, what would you have? 492 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,340 What kind of electric uses would you have? 493 00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:57,520 And at least we'll have standards to look at, 494 00:47:58,100 --> 00:48:00,640 and understand if it's going to be a benefit 495 00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:02,140 or a detriment to our community. 496 00:48:03,340 --> 00:48:06,820 Exactly, but it may be something that's smaller, too, 497 00:48:07,140 --> 00:48:10,140 that is within a business, maybe doesn't use water at all, 498 00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,060 because the technology is changing like six months from now. 499 00:48:13,560 --> 00:48:14,620 I mean, data, you might have, 500 00:48:14,900 --> 00:48:17,240 there might not be any water required for some data centers. 501 00:48:18,380 --> 00:48:21,980 And no electrical fuel on muskets is why they're going to be doing it in space. 502 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,720 I mean, they're looking at that. 503 00:48:25,100 --> 00:48:29,420 But there's a little bit of flexibility in the sense that you're not going to discourage 504 00:48:29,420 --> 00:48:32,860 so maybe somebody that is going to do the right thing and needs it for their business. 505 00:48:35,080 --> 00:48:36,920 Okay, Commissioner Sabatini, you're online. 506 00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,420 Did you want to say anything? I know you made a motion. 507 00:48:40,460 --> 00:48:44,160 No comments. I agree with all my colleagues. I'm in favor of the motion. 508 00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:48,340 All right, so we have a motion and who made the second? 509 00:48:48,720 --> 00:48:49,140 I do second. 510 00:48:49,460 --> 00:48:52,320 All right, Commissioner Parks made the second, sorry he already made the second. 511 00:48:52,640 --> 00:48:52,780 Okay. 512 00:48:53,480 --> 00:48:56,440 All right, is there any further discussion? 513 00:48:57,180 --> 00:48:58,500 All in favor say aye. 514 00:48:58,960 --> 00:48:59,180 Aye. 515 00:48:59,560 --> 00:48:59,880 Any opposed? 516 00:49:00,540 --> 00:49:01,180 Commissioner Savage, aye. 517 00:49:02,220 --> 00:49:03,240 That passes 5-0. 518 00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:04,780 All right. 519 00:49:04,980 --> 00:49:06,100 Well thank you, thank you to staff. 520 00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:08,100 Thank you for pulling that together. 521 00:49:08,580 --> 00:49:14,020 A lot of things are moving very quickly these days and there's requiring quick 522 00:49:14,020 --> 00:49:19,160 turn around in a lot of different areas. And I just want to thank staff, thank thank everyone 523 00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:24,340 for being here tonight, thank you to members of the public for being here. And we appreciate 524 00:49:24,340 --> 00:49:32,700 all your hard work on behalf of the residents of Lake County. All right, with that then we stand 525 00:49:32,700 --> 00:49:33,060 and determined.