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That way. And then, as you recall, that the Friends of Hillmore partnered with the Aden Committee to go for the grant. And we won that grant and got over at least $500 worth of plants. And the Friends of Hillmore are offering another $500 to help complete the project. So I think it's really a good idea that we're all on the same page. And I'm glad to see that it's all working. So thank you for approving our little project. Hope it continues.

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The other item was the zone 2A for Hillmore, and this one is a little bit confusing because, as I remember it, I'm hoping you can clarify this at some point tonight, but as I remember it, zone 2A, I thought it was just that really steep hillside, that's on that side of the property, and that's where the GLC was trying to make a trail down the hill and it was way too steep.

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So I think there's a lot of confusion in the community that the land on top of the hill there that goes out all way out to Sheridan Springs is those three or four lats that you're thinking about selling to the simple group and I think it's just getting confusing if you say that two a is part of hillmore because it's really not it's adjacent to it.

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And I think it needs to be considered when you're thinking about planning for homework,

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but I don't think we should be referring to it as part of homework. Just confused as the public.

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So I'm personally in favor of what simple is proposing and I think it's a great fit and benefit

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for homework, but I think the city needs to retain some small part of that land for public access

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to public land. And this is not, in any way, I'm not trying to disrespect anybody or an

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group, but I think that public land should have public access, and it should be in perpetuity,

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not subject to a different private owner or a different city council or whatever. So if there's

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some way we could put some little easement or some little strip of conservation, something that

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preserve the public access. I think it would be a good idea. Thank you. Thank you.

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Anybody else from the public like to speak?

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Good evening. Very Joe Fez and Meyer,

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1085 South Lake Shore Drive. I would like to address item number seven. I am always very

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disappointed when we do not have packet materials for the public and for anyone else that's

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voting. I don't think it's fair to the commission to listen to an oral report or be passed out

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a packet that's not available to the public at home that may be viewing. In other words, if there's

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paper materials, you may get a copy. Maybe there's copies for the audience, but the people at home

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wouldn't have access. And that's why we have this packet because we want everyone informed and

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to speak and articulate items in communication. So I'm going to do my best on number 7, which is

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zone 2A and I believe Betty referred to it as that steep slope attached to lot 1 up on shared

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in springs. I voted against actually selling lot 1. I made an amendment and tried to pull that out

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of the package of the surplus, because, and it failed, and we had two other people vote with me.

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But it's important that we retain ownership.

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This is the same idea as hellmore, not having easements, not having restrictions.

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We did our best with hellmore, but we can do better with Sheridan Springs, retaining ownership

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because that's the only North access, and we're not quite sure of the future of the other

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access point to the west, but retaining ownership so that we can control it. Obviously there's a parking lot there already. That's paved that we can use for the highway 50 construction. So I don't think decisions have been made about that. I also don't believe that you should be suggesting anything to the council with that steep slope because it is part of lot one.

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And this is part of an appraisal I believe that was given to or purchased had done commissioned by the city administrator.

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So I'm not sure how we use an appraisal if you're recommending that we peel off part of that property.

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Again, you may speak and correct me. I don't. I don't have the facts because it's not in the packet. So let's try to do better. We know we can. Thank you.

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So don't don't take a recommendation on number seven, please.

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Thank you.

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Okay, any other comments from the public?

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Sheerian, six or three centers,

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street up, piggyback off of Betty and Mary Joe about that.

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Zone one, piece of property.

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I think it's important for us to keep something

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there for us to get through.

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The other thing is number eight.

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I liked what Peggy put in there.

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We need wide sidewalks there.

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Because we do have a lot of people who use wheelchairs

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and various objects there.

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So we just need to keep it wide.

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Today was a great day.

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I thought everybody learned a lot.

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I hope people could come on Saturday.

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And again, I'd like to thank all of you for your time, your energy, and what you're trying

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to do for our community and saving, Hilomord, and making it a wonderful place that everybody,

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the locals and our visitors will be able to use, and it's going to be a long drawn-out

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ordeal here.

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But thank you guys.

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Thank you. Any other comments from the public? We got two rates from the microphone.

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Ross, Magnusen, 450, Conch Club Drive.

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I agree with the two other speakers about the access through Zone 1 to Sheridan Spring Road, which is behind Piglet Bickley.

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and there should be some sort of pathway where we can walk through the park and then

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go to like a little bit of Lake Chineva town square as well as the Piccola Biggle and the shopping

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areas back around 2022 or so when there was multiple meetings at the Badger when we had

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focus groups or strategy sessions, different ideas. It was a recurring theme that we were

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going to be some sort of path. Now I understand as wetlands and it has to be sort

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of planned accordingly, but the river going from the train, the old train bridge here,

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all the way down to where that road is.

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There's a gravel road by the water or treatment center.

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That has been re-done.

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They put new cul-de-sax in there that looks great.

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I think that the tree removal and the progression

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has been made by the river looks great.

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and it has been minimal, but it's tastefully done.

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The bridges look good, but I think that there should be some sort of a pathway

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where people can walk and access the, uh,

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particularly basically that area there by walking to the park.

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And I think that's the lot one, which I believe is by surf pro,

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You know, the serve-pro building is the business that is the farthest into that area, somewhere there would be great to have a path where people could walk through the park.

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And then, you know, previously when people have been talking about homework, you know, it's like, okay, we identify property that may be for sale.

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You know, something that we're saying, okay, we're considering selling this to a nonprofit or a business, and if that's the case, then maybe there should be identifying a lot or lots that are going to be for sale and then having some sort of criteria or vetting process or some sort of

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open sale that allows other people to consider putting their bid in or proposing something

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that may mesh to a park like atmosphere.

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That's all I have to say.

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Thank you.

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Any other comments from the public?

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Please state your name and address and if you could just pull that one.

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in a living at Geneva Hills, which is 1384 by El Corde Roll, which is eight.

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Here's a common I have to make. I have been a like disc golf, and I don't know why you

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want to, that's a nice part. And here's a common I have to make. You know, it's a little

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deceiving. It's a dog part in there. But you know what the people do to me? It says,

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They have, you can let the dog lose in the, in the, in the fence.

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It's, it's, it's, it's a little deceiving.

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It says, doesn't need to be on a leash.

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So he let the dogs loose.

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I mean, all the time when I'm at that part.

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Now to have pretty, it could shape because I've outrun dogs.

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And I had one sucker on me, a real big terrier at the veterans part.

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And I had a weird feeling there was a bunch of cars there,

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but no people.

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And I turned to look this big guy, came up behind me.

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And he had a leash in his hand.

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and they let loose and I, you know, I did, I ran that dog and I could have climbed the fence,

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but I didn't and I just weighed goodbye in that size. So I think it's just, they think that's funny,

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you know, and I've been bit twice by dogs and connoisseurs, it's not funny. So I think that that's the

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reason why they, maybe they don't know how to play sports and I like this golf, but that's funny at all.

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I don't know, I don't know the reason, I know that the city owns that property, but I don't know

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Where would you move that part to that disk off over to move it to it?

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This is just public comments, so you're speaking to some people where you're going to

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That's the only thing I think that's a little strange, but you know, but that's all in common

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I have to make it so and there's nothing I can do I just leave because people are that's

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Uncivilized so let dogs decide before you leave could you just give us her name and address one more time

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Please oh and do yeah

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And I'll tell Carl Roe, which is age 13.85.

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Oh, Carl Roe.

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OK, great.

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We just need that for the record.

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So I hope you don't move it anyhow.

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Thank you.

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OK, anybody else from the public?

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All right.

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Seeing them, we'll go ahead and move on.

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Before I do item number four, I'm just going to take the letter

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to announce that Saturday is another round of our strategic

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planning.

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We had a session today at the Riviera from 9 to noon.

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We had approximately 40, 50 people show up to participate in this strategic plan and since we're being broadcast I do want to announce that Saturday at Lake Geneva Middle School goes through the front main doors follow back to the cafeteria and there will be a second think tank we call it session so we'd love to see as many residents as possible to attend that so thank you.

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All right, so moving on, then item number four is approval of the minutes from December 3rd

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2025 is our motion

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Mr. Hap motion to approve. Yes, second

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Second second, but Mr. Ed and any corrections or changes

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See none all those in favor. I I

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Post okay minutes are approved

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Item number five consultant report and by the way are parked director Mr. Winder is under the weather with the flu. So he's not here with us tonight.

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But Mr. Kojovic would you like to thank you mayor. I spoke to David.

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We are earlier in he sends his regrets as the mayor mentioned. They have the flu circulating through his family at home.

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I'd also similar to what the mayor said, but would like to invite the public to one of

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Hillmore's public input means to be held on February 5th or February 7th Saturday, upstairs

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in the police training room, the initial three draft layouts of Zone 1 or the white river

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corridor next to the skate park will be presented for public comment and your opinion matter,

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So, please make an effort to attend.

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Recently, this past Monday, I was invited to give a brief update on the Hillmore Project to City Council's committee of the whole.

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There are several important issues, mostly related to funding that were brought to the attention of Council, which will be discussed in future meetings.

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I wanted to reiterate that the mayor is encouraging everyone to participate in the City Strategic Planning process.

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there is a survey that you can access on the city's website that's still open and I think

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the consultant mentioned approximately 150 people had completed it so far. I mean it would

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be nice to see that get up to 1,000 so we're really encouraging people to participate. The city

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will also be updating its comprehensive outdoor recreation plan or court plan in 2026.

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make an effort to participate in that as well and provide input as the city and the park

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commission move through the planning process in 2026. The plans we are developing for

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Hillmore will be incorporated in the both plans, the court plan and the city strategic plan.

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Moving forward, we need to maintain good communication with city council, other committees and

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commissions, especially the city's park commission. One of our agenda items tonight will be

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we're guarding Highway 50 frontage. Also with the help of Lowell, we hope to have the next

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issue of the Hillmore newsletter out next week. Lowell is also helping develop a poster and

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handouts to promote attendance at the February 5th and 7th public input means there's a

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copies circulating on a desktop here. If you'd like to volunteer to help distribute some of the

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So there's a round town for these two meetings, please let me or Lewell know and with that I just wanted to end with thanking Lewell publicly for all this help on on these projects.

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Okay, very good any questions for Michael.

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Lewell, where will these all for the public's sake? Where will these all be posted so if people want to?

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I think we're going to print them out actually. It looks much better.

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This, yeah, Mike, do you want to?

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No, they're going to be in color.

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This is going to print them out.

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We'll have about 50 posters, eight and a half by 11

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that we could distribute to businesses

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and also about 400 low handouts.

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We could leave it a little table tops for people to pick up.

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OK, and then also on our suited web page.

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Yep, put it in.

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OK, perfect.

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So people can find it.

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OK, very good.

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Anything else for Michael?

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All right, moving on then.

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Item six, a presentation discussion.

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We're going to super PAC of his vegetation survey of Hilmer property with Zach Brown.

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Good evening.

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Welcome back.

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Hi, thanks.

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Thanks for having me.

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If I could just take a second to introduce Zach is the senior biologist with sewer pack.

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He and his team spent this past year going over the Hilmer property and resolving in this report.

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they put a lot of effort into it, and I talked about it, and it's going to be a big help to

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us moving forward.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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So thanks again for having me looking forward to presenting this to you guys and helping another

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other way we can.

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So with that, it looks like everything's loaded up, so we'll go ahead and get started.

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You could move to the next slide.

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All right, so additionally, we received a request from the former mayor to conduct a vegetation

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inventory of the property back in 2024. Due to some miscommunications and requirements for

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additional information,

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that we'd ever finalized that request. And so when Mayor Krauzi

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was elected and took over, we got that confirmed, and we were able to continue with our work

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at Commission this year, or at the Hillmore property this past year. So we got that request to

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conduct a biological or botanical inventory specifically, survey for rare species, and then provide

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estimates of invasive species cover. So specifically,

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at species invasive species. So just so everybody is aware, we the commission has surveyed the

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property before, the commission surveyed the property back in 1989, 1991, and I provided those

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as an appendix in the report, so everybody could take a look at those just summarizing real quick,

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83 species were found and 51 species were found respectively for those dates. So those were

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completed, those historical surveys were completed, as a wetland and corridor delineation

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request from, I can't remember exactly who they're from at this time, but it's in the

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report.

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So, for this current investigation, we utilized the roughly utilized the DNR's time

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the under method, I'm just going to skim through it real briefly so everybody can get a better

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understanding of how I did the assessment and how that may influence the results.

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So basically what I did was took a map of Hillmore and multiple overlapping maps, including

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historical, aerial photography, soils, light, wetland, or delineated wetland maps, and then

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defined assessment areas based off of my perception of the limits of specific communities.

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And so I did all this before going out into the field. We then visited. So as we move to each

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one of those defined assessment areas, we start our timer clock, so much like I have going here.

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So, basically, the objective is to record all species that are observed within the assessment area.

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And you do this in five-minute intervals, and I'll explain why in a second.

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So, basically, you record all species you can find in five minutes.

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And then you can stop, pause, take bathroom breaks, or eat lunch, and then continue the survey for an additional five-minute interval.

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You stop the survey when you stop finding new species or when you find less than 5% of the running total of the species you've seen thus far.

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And so there's a time limit to the survey.

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So what that means for the surveys is I didn't necessarily find every species that's out there,

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but I found most of them. So that's just something everybody should be aware of.

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So after you're finished with that, you reach your limit, you then assign estimated

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percent cover values for every species you do identified in that assessment area.

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And after that, you take information on disturbances, you know, is the area drained?

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Are there drain tile present?

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Are there subsurface drain tiles, features, ditches, fill, other notable disturbances,

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presence or evidence of mowing or logging?

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All this gets wrapped up into the summary at the end of the assessment.

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So, these types of surveys generally take about an hour to complete, so an individual assessment

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area, but diverse units, like the one I have in the picture here, which is not at the

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Hilbert property. Unfortunately, this is a very, very high-quality Calcary's fund in Jefferson County,

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but like sites like this can take a couple of hours to complete per survey, because they have

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hundreds of species.

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So just a few quick brief definitions before I jump in just for clarification

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sake. So native species here I'm specifically talking about species indigenous to Wisconsin.

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And these these definitions come from the state of Wisconsin, the net resource code and our

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So that's, that's why I chose these definitions.

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If you look up the definition for native,

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non-native species, you'll get a hundred different variations.

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So I'm using this because it's DNR's definition.

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So non-native species are those species that are non-indigenous

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to Wisconsin. They are typically introduced,

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whether that is intentionally or unintentionally.

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So intentionally, introduce species would be, you know,

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or harder cultural plantings and things of that nature, unintentionally introduced

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invasives would be things like Fregmites, Common Readgrass, which was brought over in

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Bellus Water in the Great Lakes.

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So invasive species are, it's best to think of invasive species as a subset of non-native

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species.

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So invasive species are non-native species, including all their hybrids and cultivars, that cause harm.

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Or perceived harm to either the environmental health, human health, or it could be economic harm.

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So, DNR regulates invasive species, the chapter on our 40 code. So, there's restricted in prohibited

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species. So, it's best to, I guess, to sum up invasive species are not native, but not all

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non-native species are invasive.

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These next few definitions are just just to make you guys familiar with what I'm going to

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be talking about for their remainder a couple minutes of the presentation here.

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So richness in this case is simply just the count of the number of species present within

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a unit and that could be native riches that could be non-native richness.

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coefficients of conservatism, these are generally values ranging from 0 to 10.

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And they essentially, they indicate the fidelity of a species to some natural community.

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It's a some remnant natural community, so invasive, non-native species, they get a zero

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because they are not part of our native natural communities.

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native species get a value from 0 to 10 if given a 0 that means it has no

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fidelity to any natural community. 10 meaning that it's almost always found in

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a high-quality remnant community that is minimally disturbed.

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These are generally

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signed by a panel of experts, and I used DNR's metrics for this investigation.

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So the main coefficient of conservatism is just simply that.

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It's the mean of the scores, so you sum up all the coefficients of conservatism for

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the species divided by the number of species or richness.

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And Flair's the quality index is simply just the mean C multiplied by the square root of the number of species, so richness again.

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So generally, like the big takeaway for those last two definitions is that areas that have a mean C higher than four to half, those are pretty nice.

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Those are nice, you know, generally good quality communities, they have a lot of naturally very potential.

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If you have an FQI score greater than 45, you're probably in a natural area, or a remnant

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natural community.

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If the FQI score is greater than 35, less than 45, but you have a mean C over 3.5,

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you're still looking pretty good, at least a natural area of marginal.

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next one. So just wanted to present the results real quickly here. I am on my way to wrapping

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up my promise. And what I found were at least 20 fairly distinct plant community types.

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Total of 319 vascular plant species. So again, I did not inventory for non-vascular

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plant species, you know, mosses, liver warts. That was not part of this, but we did find

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216 natives and 103 non-native species. So overall, when I combine all of these assessments into

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one, so assess the Hilmore property as a whole, the mean C was relatively high, 3.92,

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which is considerable considering the

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Flurster Quality Index was a 57.6.

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So looking pretty decent.

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And again, if you look at the map,

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the areas that have an NA were areas that I,

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I shouldn't have said again,

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because I didn't explain this yet,

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but the areas labeled with an NA were not assessed

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or not available.

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That's primarily because those were open parkland,

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We can go to the next one.

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Don't have to read this.

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I just wanted to provide these results in the slide,

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so that it's available to the public.

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So this is each point community area.

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It's acreage.

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And then I have non-native relative cover.

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And that's relative to the total cover

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observed within the unit.

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how you assess and how you share percent cover can vary.

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So, in this case, I chose to share with the commission here the relative cover.

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So, that is basically the non-native cover summed up all the non-native species divided by the total cover.

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the sum of all cover for that was observed within the unit.

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And then I have invasive non-native species cover that's the IN and M.

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Sorry, that's an old wetland mitigation acronym that I couldn't give up apparently.

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And then native species richness, so again, just that native species count,

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There's the quality index for each individual assessment unit and the mean coefficient of conservatism.

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So hopefully everybody can see that okay, looks like it's coming through okay.

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The big takeaway, you know, for this figure, is that the non-native relative cover is higher in those redder, orange or darker, deeper colors.

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So, areas like 17 north of the white river, 14, which is basically a shrub ticket.

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Those had really high non-native relative cover.

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And again, note that this is the sum of all non-native species.

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This is not just invasive species, so this includes invasive species.

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So next one.

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So here we have restricted or I should probably change that to invasive.

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I'm still considering this a draft, so I will adjust.

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So this is invasive species cover.

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So again, this is relative invasive species cover.

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So this is relative to the total cover within each assessment area.

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So, generally, invasive species cover is a little bit higher towards the north end of the property,

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but not in every case.

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So areas like 13, so south of the river were actually like pretty decent quality.

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Even though they had a relatively high invasive species cover, having a high invasive species cover

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doesn't necessarily preclude you from having a high-quality natural community next month.

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So this is native species richness.

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So again, down at the bottom, the legend there, these are just increments of account

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of the native species.

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So the takeaway on these figures is that the redder colors here have a higher count

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native species relative to other areas so that area north of the, the, I assume the clubhouse

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parking lot where I have that little N. A, you know, there were a lot of species in there,

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a lot of native species, so it was a pretty nice area.

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Next one, so it flourished the quality

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index. Again, we see kind of similar patterns where, you know, 13, the area south of the river,

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the Wetland unit there, fairly good quality relative to the rest of the units identified

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and also that, you know, I would call it a dry music for us. Well, it's more of a, it will get into that.

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but it's number three, kind of that wooded main central parcel.

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I had a relatively high native richness.

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Alright, next one.

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And mean coefficient of conservatism, you see kind of slightly different patterns here and that's

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okay. So that's why we use both metrics to help identify higher quality areas.

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So again, areas like 13 still standing out, but now an area is like three standing out as relatively good quality, but areas like nine are now showing that there's a relatively higher proportion of species within unit nine that have higher coefficients of conservatism compared to other areas.

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So that's that oak woods that's kind of east of the old clubhouse area, but then you can see the old fairways are very low quality, very species poor in terms of native richness, very high and non native species.

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So, this is just some general considerations for the park.

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I tried to sum if you read through the report.

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I made management recommendations for each individual assessment area.

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This is kind of just a summary of the higher level points of what those recommendations are getting at.

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So, maintain and restore hydrology buffer riparian corridors and wetlands.

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utilize prescribed fire if possible.

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And if not identify alternative methods that can maintain

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that target community type.

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Prevented various suspicious reductions,

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or limit their spread when possible after introduction,

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so that's with that early detection

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rapid response acronym is getting it.

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Control existing invasive species populations

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improve resistance to pest and pathogen,

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via management. So that kind of circles back to several of the preceding points, which you can do

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through invasive species management, improving the general health of communities through utilizing

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prescribed fire, buffering habitats. You can also improve our manager Bivry to promote national

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natural regeneration, and you could do that, not necessarily just through, you know,

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lethal methods, you can utilize exposures or caging, say specifically for dominant

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taxid that you would like to, that are desirable, so such as oak regeneration. If you wanted

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to regenerate oaks, you could fence and or cage or use tree tubes to encourage oak regeneration.

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And then, of course, utilize plantings where necessary,

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where you want to enhance biodiversity

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within a unit, particularly where you've done a lot of management, and you have a lot of bare ground.

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And then, you can also favor species if this is something that the commission is interested in,

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favorite species that are projected to do a little bit better under projected climate, changing

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climate scenarios. So, there's a lot of information out there, which is a whole

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other topic in presentation, but I included a link there and also a citation for folks

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that look at that might be useful. And with that, that's all I have. Happy to take questions,

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comments. I already have a lot of comments, but we're impressed. Thank you. All right, any questions for Zach here?

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What is a dry music forest? That is a specific community type. So in this case, it's

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characteristic of Southern Wisconsin forest. The dry music is referring to the moisture

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conditions of the soil. So they can be rather what early on in the spring, but they dry out quite

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a bit towards the end of the year. So they're generally found on glacial topography some marines

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until characterized by usually a component of a heavy component of oak, usually maple, sugar

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maple, it could be present, but red oak, basswood.

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Thank you.

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Very?

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Okay.

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Very, very extensive.

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It's over a little bit of a warmly to the novice here, so.

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Did, is there something that you reflect on this that hit you as one?

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Boy, there's something urgent, we really should sort of tackle here, because this

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area over the back throw and already didn't just explode and take over and if we do something

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quick, we got to do something. And on the same category, is there something that's low hanging

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fruit that's almost cost us? Nothing. We can get some big benefit for a very little cost that we

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should do. Is there any of those two categories? Is there something hitch? Yeah. So I believe the forested unit

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three, and then the open unit seven. So three was that the dry

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music forest that had relatively high species diversity. Three was kind of like a

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dry dry music prairie ish. It resembled a prairie at least. It wasn't necessarily a

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prairie parade. It's slightly different. But it had a number of prairie species in it

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that had relatively high coefficients of conservatism.

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So those two units together,

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You know, it being dominated by oak has very high plant diversity, likely that's your, that's one of your, you know, biggest banks for your buck if you wanted to think about it that way in terms of biodiversity within that unit.

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Other areas would be the unit south of the river where there's still oxbow, wetlands, emergent marsh.

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Some of those areas were rather nice, still had a lot of invasive species cover, particularly

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granbonoids, like Reed Canary Grass, but recoverable with work.

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The majority of the forested wetland area adjacent was fairly degraded, even though it had

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higher mean C when we looked at, and this is,

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sorry, getting into more detail,

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we've looked at weighted mean C, so the cover of

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invasive, it's weighted to indicate, you know,

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how healthy a system is, not just whether or not

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species are present, but how much cover do they have,

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how much area does it cover, that had a really low weighted mean C.

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because there was so much European black alder within that unit.

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And if you look back at our previous 1991,

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89 survey, there's no European black alder.

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So that is a relatively recent invasion,

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and it is dominant within that lower forested area,

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along terraces along the river.

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So that area is going to take some work.

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Are you suggesting that something an area that is going to continue to expand poorly quickly?

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If we don't do something, is that what you started applying there?

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Uh, yeah, that area will continue to create to degrade if nothing is done.

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It is, you know, recoverable, depending on what the goals of the commission are.

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But it would, it would take some work to get it back there.

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Good.

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Exactly.

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In the wetlands, one of the topics we'll be talking later on is about access to the northern

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end of the property, clothing going through the wetlands, which would require most likely

434
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:40,860
a bridge and boardwalk.

435
00:47:43,540 --> 00:47:49,400
What's you're feeling about building structures or with the invasive, does that need to

436
00:47:49,400 --> 00:47:54,060
be taking care of first and do you have an opinion on that or do you see a problem if we

437
00:47:54,060 --> 00:47:57,820
would move ahead with construction before and bases

438
00:47:57,820 --> 00:48:00,360
or taking care of, or how do you see that?

439
00:48:00,660 --> 00:48:05,120
Yeah, in general, it is from a management perspective,

440
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:11,160
certainly more efficient from like a cost perspective

441
00:48:12,460 --> 00:48:16,740
to complete at least like a first couple years

442
00:48:16,740 --> 00:48:20,340
of management prior to installing infrastructure.

443
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:45,820
Just because especially if you're doing, say, European Black Altair Removal, theoretically dropping trees, you don't want to damage your new infrastructure, but also then, as you remove those non-native trees and shrubs, you start to manage that ground layer.

444
00:48:45,820 --> 00:48:56,080
If you then utilize prescribed fire that's going to complicate managing with fire to have a boardwalk,

445
00:48:56,760 --> 00:49:02,820
depending on how it's oriented and the path of it, it may be challenging to work with,

446
00:49:04,060 --> 00:49:07,080
given the conditions of the topography.

447
00:49:12,330 --> 00:49:20,070
Also, just to follow up your comment about climate-resolient plants or trees and a conversation

448
00:49:20,070 --> 00:49:25,270
you and I had, it was interesting to learn, for example, species of oak, if we wanted

449
00:49:25,830 --> 00:49:32,930
to help bring back oak forest, which was, I think I heard you say that's more native for

450
00:49:32,930 --> 00:49:40,750
of the property that, you know, oh, white oak, for example, might have subspecies from

451
00:49:40,750 --> 00:49:47,910
more southern climates. You could actually, are you recommending like buying trees from further

452
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:53,910
or south rather than like a nursery in Tennessee or somewhere versus,

453
00:49:59,710 --> 00:49:59,810
you know, because they

454
00:50:00,430 --> 00:50:05,650
better than our native Oaks, White Oaks, or I don't know, could you just comment on that,

455
00:50:05,890 --> 00:50:07,150
how can I understand that better?

456
00:50:07,490 --> 00:50:13,030
Yeah, and I didn't mention this at all, but so looking at the original survey, there's

457
00:50:13,030 --> 00:50:20,710
notes from like the 1830s, I don't know the exact date, this area was predominantly, and

458
00:50:20,710 --> 00:50:27,510
I mentioned it in the report, predominantly Oak, opening, Oak Woodland, and then along

459
00:50:27,510 --> 00:50:31,390
the river was all, as far as we could tell, marsh.

460
00:50:32,690 --> 00:50:35,430
So marsh can include any number of communities

461
00:50:35,430 --> 00:50:38,630
re-recognized today, sedimental, wet prairie, wet

462
00:50:38,630 --> 00:50:41,510
mosaic prairie, the list goes on.

463
00:50:42,770 --> 00:50:46,570
But yes, historically, hillmore would have been,

464
00:50:46,570 --> 00:50:49,650
the hillmore area would have been oak opening, oak

465
00:50:49,650 --> 00:50:52,690
woodland, probably some some dry prairie openings

466
00:50:52,690 --> 00:50:55,390
in there on some of the dry or gravel images.

467
00:50:58,190 --> 00:51:05,670
So, yeah, using that as a target community type would certainly be appropriate,

468
00:51:07,870 --> 00:51:26,210
and I will say that OX, you know, looking at the data, the models that USDA and the climate adaptation resource, I can remember the exact name, but I have the book in my bag if anybody wants to look at it.

469
00:51:26,210 --> 00:51:46,390
They've modeled this using various climate models to see how OX will fare in, you know, projected, minimal change and projected major change scenarios regarding temperature climate precipitation and OX.

470
00:51:46,390 --> 00:51:53,770
As far as we can tell, our projected to do quite well in a change in climate, both under the

471
00:51:53,770 --> 00:51:59,490
you know, minimal change and high change scenarios. Specifically, you know, black oak,

472
00:51:59,770 --> 00:52:04,390
bur oak, white oak, red oak, they're all projected to do quite well.

473
00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:15,870
Do our species here have the genetic capacity to handle those stresses

474
00:52:16,390 --> 00:52:26,670
in this location. It's a bit unknown. I can't answer that, but you could certainly improve

475
00:52:26,670 --> 00:52:36,650
diversity by planting additional individuals to improve diversity. I believe that is a recommendation

476
00:52:37,270 --> 00:52:44,530
in the book. So I wouldn't go as far south as Tennessee, because then you're getting outside

477
00:52:44,530 --> 00:52:50,370
of where our climate is projected to get to at the turn of the century, but there are certainly

478
00:52:50,370 --> 00:52:56,610
other nurseries in Wisconsin, even that offer that variability.

479
00:52:56,930 --> 00:53:05,310
So they have material sourced from, say, further south that comes from a diversionatic stock

480
00:53:05,310 --> 00:53:12,790
that could be planted here, that would theoretically prospered and then improve diversity

481
00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:21,330
about native population. David, do you have something? Mark, I'm actually. Yeah. Just curious

482
00:53:21,330 --> 00:53:26,410
on the river. I noticed that there's no color or anything there. There was that part of

483
00:53:26,410 --> 00:53:32,670
the survey to look at the river. I did actually look at the river. I just, so, you know,

484
00:53:33,070 --> 00:53:39,490
the community of a lot of aquatic areas, the plant communities of aquatic areas are not extraordinarily

485
00:53:39,490 --> 00:53:43,670
diverse. So I think there are like five-tenth species in there. I could always

486
00:53:43,670 --> 00:53:50,530
include it in the next version of the report if you want. Yeah. I just curious if that was

487
00:53:50,530 --> 00:53:56,350
part of the survey and how the ecological restoration that we're in the process of

488
00:53:56,350 --> 00:54:03,330
doing next year, about that might fit into this, but I question for Mike than you. So thank you.

489
00:54:03,330 --> 00:54:10,350
Yeah, it's it's about what you would expect a couple of pondweeds some semi-riff island

490
00:54:11,710 --> 00:54:21,190
cocktail. Yeah, not much. Thank you. All right, very good anything else. I guess I just

491
00:54:21,190 --> 00:54:26,350
I know with all the study that you've done here on the areas that are you know some of the invasive

492
00:54:26,930 --> 00:54:31,510
made of plants and you know some of the work that's been done so far about the street department and clearing

493
00:54:31,510 --> 00:54:39,770
I mean, I know they're mainly starting down at the south end, which is some of the areas that aren't the best for native species at all.

494
00:54:40,190 --> 00:54:53,530
But I guess they do want to make sure that if they are doing any more cut there in clearing areas, that they aren't maybe going into any areas where they would be endangering native plants that we're trying to keep or wouldn't want to keep that they're not clearing out whole areas.

495
00:54:53,530 --> 00:55:01,670
But wait a bit, there was a lot of good native plants in that area, and so I think it would be important that they are aware of what information that you have in this study.

496
00:55:03,570 --> 00:55:08,250
I mean, if they're just indiscriminately forest remowing, yes.

497
00:55:08,650 --> 00:55:14,030
But if they wanted to target specifically in a basis, that would be beneficial.

498
00:55:15,630 --> 00:55:42,470
Yeah, in your report, you say that stream area that's in Hillmore's only one, or the park is, it looks like it's been straightened a lot, and we look at the map, it's pretty straight, and you recommend maybe putting in some back in the meandering, yeah, there are some old maps, there are ways to show where the old meandering was.

499
00:55:42,470 --> 00:55:49,470
I did look. I looked at the original survey or notes which have like the meanders from the 1830s and it honestly

500
00:55:50,070 --> 00:55:56,950
doesn't appear that it varied much from the current channel like there was there was a little bit more

501
00:55:56,950 --> 00:56:04,350
wiggle to it but not that much. So I don't know I'd have to look at it a little bit more closely

502
00:56:04,350 --> 00:56:11,290
and it's also not like a very refined picture of where the meanders would be because it it gives you a

503
00:56:11,290 --> 00:56:18,670
path, but it doesn't give you a width per se of the river. But you can see, if you look

504
00:56:18,670 --> 00:56:29,790
on a wide-r, coupled with some early spring imagery, you can see low-ponded areas throughout

505
00:56:29,790 --> 00:56:37,630
adjacent to that straightened channel, which do look like old meander scars. I don't know how

506
00:56:37,630 --> 00:56:46,270
when they were filled in or if they were filled in or if it was natural. I'm unclear at this point in time.

507
00:56:47,150 --> 00:56:58,990
Yeah. And Larry, just the ecological restoration plan includes recommendations on this stream bank and bed enhancements in that section.

508
00:56:58,990 --> 00:57:04,550
may not be regarding, you know, restoring the original, which is as

509
00:57:04,550 --> 00:57:08,650
as Zach is saying, as kind of hard to determine, but we're going to look at

510
00:57:08,650 --> 00:57:13,390
as an option and come up with some recommendations along the stream bank.

511
00:57:13,590 --> 00:57:14,910
I sort of like the idea.

512
00:57:15,550 --> 00:57:20,690
I mean, maybe the Upland people can work something into the design where you have a

513
00:57:20,690 --> 00:57:24,230
little bit of a meandering and it's a place where there's rocks or something.

514
00:57:24,370 --> 00:57:28,590
The kids can jump from one area to another, or maybe that can be a

515
00:57:29,530 --> 00:57:36,050
There's something we can maybe play on that thought, but I just was wondering, there's a natural spot.

516
00:57:36,970 --> 00:57:39,210
Yeah, it would take a little bit closer look.

517
00:57:40,770 --> 00:57:41,790
Yeah, it was kind of unclear.

518
00:57:44,060 --> 00:57:47,700
I was just curious to what we're talking about, the different species of oak and all of that.

519
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:57,200
I know like a Kishwakito, Vanoy and May, and the jimble construct, they've been advocating, you know, for restoring the oak savannas in this area, they're predominant.

520
00:57:57,200 --> 00:58:01,860
had you done any work? I know they I thought they'd work someone's super packed and yeah

521
00:58:01,860 --> 00:58:07,900
I didn't know there were certain species. I know when I come to a rotor club we help plant over in a little fishing

522
00:58:07,900 --> 00:58:12,880
the kids fishing area. We planted some old trees and stuff and so I'm trying to give

523
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:16,990
their specific types of oaks that they've been using or uh recommending over there.

524
00:58:18,140 --> 00:58:22,560
That's that one. Yeah. They were down some of the options for what we might want to look at.

525
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:26,840
I'm not sure what they have been planting specifically. I did a bunch of similar

526
00:58:26,840 --> 00:58:34,300
type survey work for them. But I didn't work on their management plan, but yeah, I can't

527
00:58:34,300 --> 00:58:37,880
remember what they, I don't think that would be a little bit something that'd be appropriate

528
00:58:37,880 --> 00:58:42,980
for this area or that would do well in this area. Yeah, and I could certainly provide you a list,

529
00:58:43,300 --> 00:58:53,500
and I'm sure whoever does the restoration plan will provide those. Thank you. Okay,

530
00:58:53,500 --> 00:59:00,640
very good. Anything else? Well, we thank you, Mr. Crown. I was a great, great presentation and a lot

531
00:59:00,640 --> 00:59:06,060
to think about. So yeah, fantastic. Let me know if you have additional questions. Thank you. Appreciate your time.

532
00:59:10,490 --> 00:59:16,450
Okay. Moving on then to item number seven discussion, presentation discussion regarding zone

533
00:59:16,450 --> 00:59:20,550
to a potential development time hurts.

534
00:59:21,010 --> 00:59:22,770
Mayor, can I just make a couple comments?

535
00:59:24,130 --> 00:59:31,510
I accept responsibility for people being confused about 2A back in, you know, 23.

536
00:59:31,910 --> 00:59:33,590
It was just zone 2.

537
00:59:33,890 --> 00:59:38,590
2A was added when the North Access point came in to play.

538
00:59:38,830 --> 00:59:44,530
It's a joining property to help more that could have an impact on the

539
00:59:44,530 --> 00:59:47,370
or property because of this North Access issue.

540
00:59:48,690 --> 00:59:50,870
But the reason why Tom is here is just

541
00:59:50,870 --> 00:59:53,050
to give information and form the commission

542
00:59:53,050 --> 00:59:59,830
that the city has approved entering.

543
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,720
The discussions with Tom about the potential development on this piece of property, which could impact

544
01:00:07,720 --> 01:00:13,020
him or in that's why it's for a subject for the commission to hear what Tom is discussing.

545
01:00:14,860 --> 01:00:23,180
I, Tom and I met on the property, he wanted to go back into it and brave the thickets and we worked

546
01:00:23,180 --> 01:00:33,500
the way back to the river. So because he has a keen interest in the property. And so as I mentioned it's

547
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:39,140
this is really for our information. It would clear this is an issue that's going to be taken

548
01:00:39,140 --> 01:00:44,960
up with City Council. But if we haven't input their direction or suggestions, we'd like to make

549
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:48,740
He'll announce the time to be thinking that.

550
01:00:48,780 --> 01:00:50,220
Thank you.

551
01:00:50,220 --> 01:00:50,980
Thank you.

552
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:58,580
I'm Tom Hart, one of the founding partners of Simple Cafe in the Simple Food Group.

553
01:00:58,900 --> 01:01:09,400
We are in the process of trying to buy the four lots that are part of,

554
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:15,060
or maybe all of them to a that are up on Sheridan Springs Road.

555
01:01:16,840 --> 01:01:24,340
And in fact, I believe Monday evening the council will consider the offer that we made.

556
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:29,400
I passed out or asked to have passed out what we call a vision.

557
01:01:30,460 --> 01:01:36,600
And what we do, the way we work our businesses, we pick a point in time out into the future.

558
01:01:36,600 --> 01:01:42,460
And then write a narrative of what we want that to be, what our preferred future would be.

559
01:01:42,860 --> 01:01:48,300
And what that does is what I consider the Subaru effect.

560
01:01:49,540 --> 01:01:52,520
And this is completely made up, but it works.

561
01:01:53,380 --> 01:01:57,740
Let's say you're looking at buying a new car and you have a friend that you trust,

562
01:01:58,140 --> 01:01:59,380
who knows a lot about cars.

563
01:02:00,020 --> 01:02:01,240
And he said, what should I buy?

564
01:02:01,620 --> 01:02:03,400
New friends says, oh, you should buy a Subaru.

565
01:02:04,220 --> 01:02:11,320
And you think, wow, I don't know if I've seen Subaru's before and what I guarantee will happen

566
01:02:11,320 --> 01:02:16,140
is as you're walking along the sidewalk, you'll see every Subaru that was parked.

567
01:02:17,020 --> 01:02:21,080
And they were always there, it's not that you manifested them.

568
01:02:21,300 --> 01:02:24,940
You just had it in your mind that you would see them.

569
01:02:25,200 --> 01:02:26,940
So a vision is the same way.

570
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:33,040
So we've written a vision for what we would like to do on those four lots and what that

571
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:39,700
is allow us as we're in conversations with you all and with the public and and the

572
01:02:39,700 --> 01:02:45,260
planning commission and so forth is to see opportunities to make that vision come true.

573
01:02:45,380 --> 01:02:51,920
There might be something that comes up. So that's why we write them. They have a very specific

574
01:02:51,920 --> 01:03:00,960
date and time. They help all the folks in our business stay focused on exactly where we're going.

575
01:03:00,960 --> 01:03:05,120
I thought this would be helpful for you all.

576
01:03:05,120 --> 01:03:06,360
This is just a draft.

577
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:07,700
We have a big group.

578
01:03:07,940 --> 01:03:12,200
They get together and goes through it and changes and so forth.

579
01:03:12,360 --> 01:03:13,960
It's a very collaborative effort.

580
01:03:15,020 --> 01:03:16,620
They haven't done that yet.

581
01:03:18,240 --> 01:03:19,220
So this is a draft.

582
01:03:19,300 --> 01:03:21,960
But I think it's close to where we'll end up.

583
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:30,940
Our intention if we are able to purchase the property is to put a number of

584
01:03:30,940 --> 01:03:45,940
businesses and facilities up on top of those lots. And the idea is ultimately that these

585
01:03:45,940 --> 01:03:53,920
are buildings and structures that are made of materials that we are able to source

586
01:03:53,920 --> 01:04:00,460
from close by. So a wild example might be the European black

587
01:04:00,460 --> 01:04:08,820
older, might say in the right term. If that is all to be cut down, that could become

588
01:04:08,820 --> 01:04:15,120
building material. That could become something that we would use. And so the idea is to

589
01:04:15,120 --> 01:04:21,480
make it seamless between the natural environment and the built environment. We don't want to

590
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:28,480
and target and best buy our fine businesses and they do well, but we don't want to

591
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:33,600
be a building that sits on the back with a sea of cars in front. We wanted to look

592
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:43,900
like something that fits with the land that deemphasizes the cars and provides a place

593
01:04:43,900 --> 01:04:49,120
that really is welcoming to people and not necessarily vehicles.

594
01:04:51,560 --> 01:04:53,940
That's the bigger picture.

595
01:04:54,800 --> 01:04:57,500
One of the things I think that is,

596
01:04:57,500 --> 01:05:02,920
issues that all their aims and Fessa Meyer raised

597
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,480
was about a trailhead.

598
01:05:06,660 --> 01:05:09,360
And when we first presented this,

599
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:10,740
I'd believe it was back in September.

600
01:05:10,740 --> 01:05:21,320
We had thought it would be a great idea to have a trailhead from this property down to the park.

601
01:05:22,820 --> 01:05:30,860
And in that, in our view, it would be accessible to all, meaning it was ADA compliant.

602
01:05:31,780 --> 01:05:36,880
That's a steep slope, so that takes some engineering, that'll take some careful thought.

603
01:05:39,080 --> 01:05:42,920
The question is, where's the best location for it?

604
01:05:44,300 --> 01:05:49,200
And I would venture to say that I'm looking at the folks who might have that answer,

605
01:05:49,740 --> 01:05:54,860
maybe not tonight and probably not tonight, but in two years as you're doing studies

606
01:05:54,860 --> 01:06:01,420
and figuring out where the wetlands had and where the, you know, if you've had to do burns

607
01:06:01,420 --> 01:06:05,360
and all those sorts of things, you start to figure out what naturally makes sense.

608
01:06:06,220 --> 01:06:14,700
What drew us to this property initially was just one interesting idea and that was East

609
01:06:14,700 --> 01:06:22,460
Few School, fourth and fifth grade, fourth grade is where students start learning Wisconsin

610
01:06:22,460 --> 01:06:29,400
history and our thought was wouldn't it be interesting if we had a facility up on top

611
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:35,140
of that hill and a teacher one day says to our students, hey let's take a field trip.

612
01:06:35,140 --> 01:07:04,200
They walk out the door, walk through zone one, go through some paths through Hillmore, go up the slope of the hill, stop off at our place, we'll have indigenous plantains, maybe corn hills or rich gardens, we'll have native species, we'll have ancient weeds, all that sort of thing, and we can teach them about what was here of four,

613
01:07:04,200 --> 01:07:11,160
What foods we use to eat, all those sorts of things, serve them lunch, and then they can walk back.

614
01:07:11,460 --> 01:07:19,060
And we thought what a great, what a great physical connection that could be, and that spurred the rest of us.

615
01:07:20,220 --> 01:07:23,460
The business need for us really is basically production.

616
01:07:23,700 --> 01:07:28,260
We need more space, and that's what drove the idea of expansion.

617
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:36,760
So, we're very excited if we have the opportunity to be a neighbor to help more.

618
01:07:38,020 --> 01:07:44,060
We think it's with what you all are talking about, going to be something that's truly special.

619
01:07:44,980 --> 01:07:51,240
And we would try to do everything we could within the design and the development to honor

620
01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:52,440
that.

621
01:07:54,960 --> 01:08:03,660
It's something that I think the city will be proud of both our development and what's done at Hillmore.

622
01:08:05,320 --> 01:08:09,640
The trailhead, specifically, there's a term that is called Popo.

623
01:08:09,780 --> 01:08:15,120
That's an acronym POPOS, privately owned public open space.

624
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:26,200
And these are places all over the country that have this, and the idea is simple,

625
01:08:27,180 --> 01:08:33,780
would once an area is designated as where the path should go and where it should end,

626
01:08:34,540 --> 01:08:44,160
we would design, build, and maintain the pathway down the structure, whatever it turns out to be.

627
01:08:44,160 --> 01:08:52,500
And that would be done within a permanent easement that goes with the land not with the buyer.

628
01:08:53,400 --> 01:09:11,760
So if we disappear one evening whoever ends up with a property has to live by the covenant that is part of the deed that says that that group has to own maintain and take care of that property.

629
01:09:11,760 --> 01:09:15,480
It also would say that it's open to the public.

630
01:09:16,420 --> 01:09:21,620
Now we'll have parking, we'll have bathrooms, all that sort of thing up on top already.

631
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:28,900
Why not make use of that? Why not make use of funds that we're putting into it?

632
01:09:31,020 --> 01:09:37,100
And we certainly would have vested interest in keeping open and keeping it usable,

633
01:09:38,060 --> 01:09:44,800
shoveling it in the winter, making it accessible for all, because that's really important

634
01:09:44,800 --> 01:09:45,860
to us.

635
01:09:46,480 --> 01:09:47,580
So I think

636
01:09:50,330 --> 01:09:59,270
one other thing, water, and I've heard some conversation about the white river

637
01:09:59,270 --> 01:10:05,710
being, have some meandering parts to it about water quality, about the plants along the river,

638
01:10:05,710 --> 01:10:14,190
those sorts of things. One of the things that would help is if what the stormwater management

639
01:10:14,190 --> 01:10:21,710
that is done on the property at the top of the hill those four lots was infiltration rather

640
01:10:21,710 --> 01:10:29,630
than gray pipe and retention ponds. The infiltration is a much better way of dealing with water.

641
01:10:29,630 --> 01:10:37,950
it's our friend, let's keep it in the soil there, eventually it probably leaches out whether

642
01:10:37,950 --> 01:10:45,170
it's a fan of a spring or something of that sort at the bottom, but you're not pouring it

643
01:10:45,170 --> 01:10:50,950
into the wetland there, you're not pouring it into the light river, it lands on the land and it

644
01:10:50,950 --> 01:11:00,570
absorbent that land. So that would be the way we would engineer the runoff from the hill.

645
01:11:01,270 --> 01:11:08,090
So that was another thing that we thought would honor Kilmore and what's going on there

646
01:11:08,090 --> 01:11:15,390
and at the same time get water back into our aquifers and do the things that we should do.

647
01:11:16,890 --> 01:11:23,170
So in that, that's, that's what I have for tonight, if there are any questions, I'm glad

648
01:11:23,170 --> 01:11:27,290
to do my best to answer them.

649
01:11:27,790 --> 01:11:34,110
And Michael, thank you for inviting me to speak and let you know at least what we're

650
01:11:34,110 --> 01:11:34,510
thinking.

651
01:11:34,790 --> 01:11:38,950
Now, we don't own the yet-land, so, but we're trying to buy it.

652
01:11:42,030 --> 01:11:43,090
Okay, thank you.

653
01:11:43,090 --> 01:11:47,300
Any questions from the commission? Michael?

654
01:11:48,320 --> 01:11:59,520
Just Tom, I think again the main thing that we're concerned about is that North Access for the property, even before you came forward.

655
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:04,640
There's discussions about maybe that could be a parking area with restaurants and so forth.

656
01:12:05,680 --> 01:12:08,700
And what I heard you say is that that would be available.

657
01:12:08,700 --> 01:12:15,460
I mean, if someone living on that side of Townsend Stone Ridge wanted to go to Hillmore and

658
01:12:15,460 --> 01:12:22,300
they could pull into your parking area and access Hillmore if there was that path trail boardwalk

659
01:12:22,300 --> 01:12:23,140
through the wetlands.

660
01:12:24,000 --> 01:12:24,840
We would invite them.

661
01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:27,440
Absolutely.

662
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:29,380
That's the whole idea.

663
01:12:29,820 --> 01:12:37,780
And it's, to us, that's an opportunity really to be a catalyst for something to happen at that

664
01:12:37,780 --> 01:12:45,340
in the park anyway. If there's an entrance there, then we'll want to path there too, and how

665
01:12:45,340 --> 01:12:50,880
does that work? And so, yes, absolutely, that would be open to the public, and the public is

666
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:59,780
anybody. You don't have to have any skin color papers and you get to use that, because you're

667
01:12:59,780 --> 01:13:01,020
by the public.

668
01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:10,150
Yeah, Tom also, you mentioned about the permanent easement tied to the,

669
01:13:10,550 --> 01:13:15,430
indeed, effectively, some sort of decondition or restriction, yes, to provide that access.

670
01:13:16,410 --> 01:13:22,150
And I've heard tonight with public comment and I've heard it before about maybe a better

671
01:13:22,150 --> 01:13:29,990
option is not to sell a piece of the property and preserve that access that way. What you're

672
01:13:29,990 --> 01:13:34,110
on this, I'd like to hear how you think about this issue.

673
01:13:34,890 --> 01:13:44,610
Well, I think if I were sitting up there, which I'm not, I would look at that cost.

674
01:13:45,230 --> 01:13:49,750
I would look at both capital and maintenance.

675
01:13:50,470 --> 01:13:56,390
I would look at parking and snowplow and all those sorts of things.

676
01:13:56,390 --> 01:14:06,690
I look at maintaining public bathrooms and I think if we can get all of those things at no

677
01:14:06,690 --> 01:14:09,590
cost to the taxpayer, why wouldn't we?

678
01:14:10,890 --> 01:14:19,150
And in addition, and I'm not the person making decisions on the budget, but there'll

679
01:14:19,150 --> 01:14:25,590
be, if indeed we are able to negotiate a deal, the money that comes in from the purchase

680
01:14:25,590 --> 01:14:30,710
But, certainly, you have some of that put toward the improvements that you all are talking

681
01:14:30,710 --> 01:14:31,590
about at Hillmore.

682
01:14:32,470 --> 01:14:40,210
And so the more you can get, meaning for lots instead of three, that's more for the capital

683
01:14:40,210 --> 01:14:40,590
budget.

684
01:14:40,870 --> 01:14:43,970
It's more for the operating budget, however that gets spent.

685
01:14:45,090 --> 01:14:52,250
So to me, I've seen these, there's a really good example of a proposed Epolyte College.

686
01:14:52,250 --> 01:14:59,970
They built a bridge across Night Street to there, there's two.

687
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:16,380
It wouldn't sort of wreck center facility, which is on the river. Before they built that bridge, the public, particularly folks who are unable to walk, couldn't get to the river walk.

688
01:15:17,220 --> 01:15:26,440
And what they did was they built it. They maintained it. It's open to the public. They go across the bridge into the building. There's an elevator there.

689
01:15:26,440 --> 01:15:31,620
takes them down to the first floor and they go out and then they're right there on the river.

690
01:15:32,760 --> 01:15:36,500
That's an example of what we're talking about.

691
01:15:37,000 --> 01:15:40,660
The city doesn't own that.

692
01:15:40,660 --> 01:15:47,240
The college does and it will always be used for public access to that river walk.

693
01:15:47,500 --> 01:15:51,140
Irrespective of whether the college is there or not.

694
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:54,080
There are lots of those examples all around the country.

695
01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:01,780
is the late path kind of a similar

696
01:16:02,900 --> 01:16:06,960
as example of that where the public is able to walk through

697
01:16:06,960 --> 01:16:10,380
people's property and around the entire

698
01:16:10,380 --> 01:16:13,520
lake and it doesn't matter who owns the piece of property

699
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:17,520
that's just a given with each dwelling.

700
01:16:19,220 --> 01:16:20,000
That I don't know.

701
01:16:21,220 --> 01:16:24,840
I mean, I know that that's what I've heard

702
01:16:24,840 --> 01:16:27,100
it's supposed to be, but I'm not sure that there's an

703
01:16:27,100 --> 01:16:31,260
He's been in Don every piece of property, I couldn't answer it.

704
01:16:31,520 --> 01:16:35,300
There's a, I'm fritting the term, can you help me with that term?

705
01:16:35,500 --> 01:16:54,280
But there, there is some kind of, I'll just say, covenant, if I, as a word, there's some kind of a covenant or agreement on that legpath that it will, it, for all, both time be intended as a, took, be, remain there as a legpath, regardless of the honor.

706
01:16:54,280 --> 01:17:00,840
So I know that that was written about back a few years ago and I forget the word, but yeah,

707
01:17:00,860 --> 01:17:06,200
there's a agreement, a covenant, something, and some sort, so. But this is much like what you're

708
01:17:06,200 --> 01:17:14,180
talking about. And Mayor, I just, on this point of access, um, uh, maybe you could maybe answer

709
01:17:14,180 --> 01:17:20,800
the, understand this better, but even if the city should not sell a parcel for access,

710
01:17:22,420 --> 01:17:27,260
that a future council could change that.

711
01:17:27,660 --> 01:17:30,720
They could decide to sell up 10 years from now or something like that.

712
01:17:31,020 --> 01:17:33,280
That would be to make it permanent.

713
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:34,900
How do you do that?

714
01:17:35,560 --> 01:17:40,500
So how it works is one council can't bind a future council basically.

715
01:17:41,060 --> 01:17:42,700
It's how you look at that.

716
01:17:44,100 --> 01:17:49,560
So, you know, I think Mr. Hertz makes a valid point.

717
01:17:51,000 --> 01:17:53,280
We are assuming you were to purchase all the property.

718
01:17:53,960 --> 01:17:57,720
There can be a restriction put in the deed put on that,

719
01:17:57,720 --> 01:18:03,020
that for all of time that will remain an access point for public use.

720
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:08,800
And, you know, sitting in my seat, you know, my concern would be, you know,

721
01:18:08,800 --> 01:18:12,120
Now you're bringing the city into maintain,

722
01:18:12,460 --> 01:18:15,220
plowing in bathrooms and everything else

723
01:18:15,220 --> 01:18:17,780
when you have an entity that's willing to do that,

724
01:18:17,800 --> 01:18:23,180
and still agree to put a deed and that for all of time

725
01:18:23,180 --> 01:18:24,660
can be used by the public.

726
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:27,620
So that would only make sense,

727
01:18:27,620 --> 01:18:30,760
I think, from the city standpoint, to do that,

728
01:18:31,020 --> 01:18:34,280
because you're really gaining quite a lot by that.

729
01:18:34,280 --> 01:18:39,120
So yeah, I think that, and again, you are correct.

730
01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:42,060
The council is dealing with us on Monday night.

731
01:18:43,160 --> 01:18:47,940
We have received an offer and we're going to be discussing that at the city level.

732
01:18:48,700 --> 01:18:52,440
But again, for tonight's sake, you know, we really want to miss your hearts to be before

733
01:18:52,440 --> 01:18:58,040
you folks to give you kind of a summary of ideas, what they're thinking, because depending

734
01:18:58,040 --> 01:19:03,380
on the outcome of Monday and in next few weeks, in a negotiation, whatever it turns out

735
01:19:03,380 --> 01:19:09,100
be we'll be right back here talking about ideas how this might incorporate into the

736
01:19:09,100 --> 01:19:15,100
Hillmore property. So. And in addition to I know if you were going to raise your hand,

737
01:19:15,840 --> 01:19:21,520
but we're concerned that the way it would proceed, let's say, that the Council agrees to the

738
01:19:21,520 --> 01:19:27,800
purchase or the sale, it would go through planned unit development process. So we would present

739
01:19:27,800 --> 01:19:32,700
a concept plan to the Plan Commission, then our General Development Plan, and then a precise

740
01:19:32,700 --> 01:19:39,960
implementation plan in all of that. There are public hearings. There would be, I think,

741
01:19:40,120 --> 01:19:46,560
lavish discussions with this particular group about making sure that within those plans,

742
01:19:46,740 --> 01:19:52,980
that easement is there. Make sure that it's in a place that is most appropriate to the

743
01:19:55,280 --> 01:20:00,900
And that takes time and that involves the public as well.

744
01:20:03,620 --> 01:20:15,960
So this to me can really be a great collaboration that really comes to something that we are all very proud of and that anybody could use it.

745
01:20:15,960 --> 01:20:23,800
And Mayor, I would also suggest that the city with if it did go this route and in the

746
01:20:23,800 --> 01:20:28,560
green it was reached and there were deed restrictions, but there also would be clawback

747
01:20:28,560 --> 01:20:36,780
provisions, tawn, it's very community-minded in my opinion, and more so than many businesses.

748
01:20:37,780 --> 01:20:44,840
But he said maybe the future owner could change and they don't have the same philosophy that tawn

749
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:48,880
has if they don't fall through or provide that access or

750
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:53,280
playback provisions or somehow there's teeth to ensure that

751
01:20:53,280 --> 01:20:57,160
what time is offering would be still there.

752
01:20:58,220 --> 01:21:00,000
Right, okay, and so it would be

753
01:21:00,000 --> 01:21:03,160
deeded, and it would be much like the restrictions

754
01:21:03,160 --> 01:21:05,100
we currently have on Hillmore, right?

755
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:08,620
The deed restrictions on Hillmore are public use

756
01:21:08,620 --> 01:21:10,640
or 501c3, that's it.

757
01:21:11,020 --> 01:21:13,980
Okay, and so much like that, we can place

758
01:21:13,980 --> 01:21:20,060
permanent restriction on that property that does not change with the potential future owner.

759
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:26,000
Okay, which I think is the valid concern we all have, which is, you know, 20, 30 years

760
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:26,600
down the road.

761
01:21:26,760 --> 01:21:31,720
We don't want a new owner and then we lose that privilege of what the public knows we come

762
01:21:31,720 --> 01:21:36,120
used to having a trailhead and a place to, you know, enjoy the park from that perspective.

763
01:21:36,620 --> 01:21:43,500
So, I have talked with the attorney about this just in brief, and yeah, we are able

764
01:21:43,500 --> 01:21:50,480
to put that type of restriction on the deed and, and that would stand for time.

765
01:21:51,760 --> 01:21:56,840
So, law, it further now are we to make a recommendation to do that with that word?

766
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:57,240
No.

767
01:21:57,260 --> 01:22:03,920
So, right tonight's purpose is just to kind of let Mr. Hertz share ideas with you questions you may have,

768
01:22:04,340 --> 01:22:06,720
but yeah, this is just kind of an introduction tonight.

769
01:22:07,200 --> 01:22:09,620
So, no recommendations of any nature tonight.

770
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:17,300
So, so with that, is there anything else, I would ask two things, one, if we could, well,

771
01:22:17,440 --> 01:22:22,360
I started to get this presentation put into the, it's all of the public, can access it.

772
01:22:23,460 --> 01:22:29,260
And, secondly, if you have that presentation that you gave with a council back a few months ago,

773
01:22:29,440 --> 01:22:29,780
okay.

774
01:22:29,780 --> 01:22:33,220
I'd like to also re-include that with, into the packet.

775
01:22:33,320 --> 01:22:37,460
I think you had a pretty in-depth presentation to give it the council.

776
01:22:37,460 --> 01:22:41,360
I think would be beneficial for the commission to see or read.

777
01:22:42,100 --> 01:22:43,840
I'll send that to the city administrator.

778
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:45,720
Okay, that'd be great. Appreciate it.

779
01:22:45,860 --> 01:22:47,140
All right, very good, Larry.

780
01:22:47,560 --> 01:22:51,120
I'm just saying if you just put this in just like it is,

781
01:22:51,300 --> 01:22:55,240
you're going to write a couple of paragraphs of introduction of what this is,

782
01:22:55,800 --> 01:22:57,420
your dream concept kind of thing.

783
01:22:57,900 --> 01:23:01,760
But if someone reading this sort of has that understanding what they're reading,

784
01:23:02,060 --> 01:23:03,320
otherwise it's going to be confusing.

785
01:23:03,320 --> 01:23:09,760
We speak a different language and we always think everybody understands it. Thank you. That's a great recommendation.

786
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:13,560
Okay, very good. Anything else?

787
01:23:14,300 --> 01:23:15,960
All right. Thank you, Tom, I appreciate your time.

788
01:23:16,300 --> 01:23:17,200
Thank you.

789
01:23:21,300 --> 01:23:21,320
Oh.

790
01:23:22,180 --> 01:23:22,240
Yeah.

791
01:23:22,760 --> 01:23:27,300
Say, could you like a USB drive in case you want to take off?

792
01:23:27,820 --> 01:23:31,540
I mean, you can stay for the rest of the meeting. We're getting close, but in case you want to leave.

793
01:23:33,180 --> 01:23:33,620
Okay.

794
01:23:33,620 --> 01:23:36,180
This is children, I know.

795
01:23:37,100 --> 01:23:38,920
All right, very good.

796
01:23:39,100 --> 01:23:41,000
Let's move on to item number eight.

797
01:23:41,100 --> 01:23:42,840
This is a presentation discussion

798
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:45,000
and possible recommendation regarding

799
01:23:45,000 --> 01:23:47,520
Route 50 for anage improvements, Peggy.

800
01:23:48,220 --> 01:23:48,820
All right.

801
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:52,560
So in the packet is the motion that the

802
01:23:54,140 --> 01:23:56,540
Archcomission is just sent to the council.

803
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:57,760
Has it gone to the council?

804
01:23:58,620 --> 01:23:58,860
Okay.

805
01:24:00,240 --> 01:24:02,260
Anyway, I'm glad I got other perk people here.

806
01:24:02,260 --> 01:24:17,260
Anyway, so at our November meeting, it was presented that the city is in the design phase for the upcoming highway 50 improvement project, which includes the addition of sidewalk along the Hillmore property frontage.

807
01:24:18,360 --> 01:24:22,480
And as Michael frequently states, this is the gateway into the city.

808
01:24:23,440 --> 01:24:24,440
So can't hear me?

809
01:24:24,820 --> 01:24:24,960
Okay.

810
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:27,640
A little closer under my phone, pull away up close.

811
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:28,960
I'll get you turned all the way up here.

812
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:29,500
Okay.

813
01:24:30,660 --> 01:24:30,840
Okay.

814
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:41,060
So, anyway, so it was brought to the park board and it was deemed that it is our role to be able to

815
01:24:41,060 --> 01:24:49,100
review and discuss the proposed sidewalk alignment and its connectivity to the various parks and trails within the city.

816
01:24:49,100 --> 01:25:04,900
And so through a fairly lengthy discussion, we kind of came up with these five bullet points that we felt needed to be included with the revision of Highway 50.

817
01:25:05,760 --> 01:25:17,580
And I don't know if you are all north-south challenged, so I will try and dummy this down into ways that I understand it.

818
01:25:17,580 --> 01:25:24,540
So we wanted to have the sidewalks and on the hill more side to be 8 feet wide, currently

819
01:25:24,540 --> 01:25:31,140
and this sidewalk would continue from Dunkin' Donuts all the way to...

820
01:25:32,180 --> 01:25:33,320
That's a ton of real.

821
01:25:33,560 --> 01:25:34,180
That's a ton of real.

822
01:25:34,940 --> 01:25:41,200
And right now to give you a perspective, the sidewalk in front of Dunkin' Donuts is 5 feet.

823
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:49,700
Now, I'm going to do a little side thing because I have a captive audience, and I'm really into ADA compliance.

824
01:25:50,180 --> 01:25:53,880
Five feet is the minimum for ADA compliance.

825
01:25:54,200 --> 01:26:03,800
And if you think about a house, a door has to be 32 inches wide in order to meet ADA compliance or to fit a wheelchair through.

826
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:13,800
So, I always use the example that two wheelchairs should be able to pass on a sidewalk, without getting banged into each other.

827
01:26:13,980 --> 01:26:17,660
So, if you have a five foot wide sidewalk, that will not happen.

828
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:25,780
One of those wheelchairs is going to have to go off because you've got 32 plus 32 is 64 and 5 feet equals 60.

829
01:26:26,320 --> 01:26:32,880
So, just kind of tuck that in the back of your mind when people express that ADA compliance means 5 feet.

830
01:26:33,800 --> 01:26:38,300
It does, but it doesn't mean that it's really user friendly.

831
01:26:39,100 --> 01:26:40,280
So, thank you.

832
01:26:41,740 --> 01:26:46,440
So, we wanted to have eight feet in front of Hillmore and then on the other side of the street,

833
01:26:46,940 --> 01:26:50,760
we wanted to have it five feet. So, it would continue from

834
01:26:52,060 --> 01:27:01,440
same Francis down to comfort sweets. We also, next to Dunkin' Donuts, there is a green space grassy

835
01:27:01,440 --> 01:27:08,200
area, we wanted to make sure that we maintain that whole grassy area all the way from Edwardsville

836
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:17,320
of our two shafts a little bit. It gives a much more homey, um, I don't know. It's just pretty

837
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:26,660
early. Um, so then along the other side of the street, we wanted this shaft to pursue reaching

838
01:27:26,660 --> 01:27:31,820
to the town of Lynn because they're the ones who own that parcel of property to see if we

839
01:27:31,820 --> 01:27:38,160
would be able to extend the sidewalk on that side. We don't know what will happen but we wanted

840
01:27:38,160 --> 01:27:39,560
to make that recommendation.

841
01:27:42,740 --> 01:27:44,540
To kind of

842
01:27:46,680 --> 01:27:52,100
create a cohesive look to the city, we wanted to take

843
01:27:52,100 --> 01:28:01,040
the lighting that we are currently using along main street in front of library park and runs downtown

844
01:28:01,040 --> 01:28:07,730
and be able to incorporate that style of lighting again all the way through him or while

845
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:17,540
where is it? Being dark skies compliant so that it's not interfering with or it's not providing

846
01:28:17,540 --> 01:28:26,600
necessary lighting and less necessary. And let's see, the last thing is currently we do not have

847
01:28:26,600 --> 01:28:31,680
cross sidewalks on both sides. We're not going to have sidewalks on both sides for a while,

848
01:28:32,060 --> 01:28:37,940
but we need to explore having crosswalks that connect St. Francis or specifically

849
01:28:39,980 --> 01:28:46,820
Curtis Street and West Street so that you have a way to go from St. Francis to the Hillmore side

850
01:28:47,800 --> 01:28:53,840
and also from comfort sweets to the hillmore side. And I don't know if any of you

851
01:28:53,840 --> 01:29:01,920
whoever have ever walked along Highway 15, it is terrifying. And the cars go 40 miles an

852
01:29:01,920 --> 01:29:09,900
hour, they do not slow down. There's there is not a continuum of sidewalk from downtown

853
01:29:09,900 --> 01:29:16,480
two Edwards Boulevard. You do literally have to ping pong back and forth. My

854
01:29:16,480 --> 01:29:23,460
rule of thumb is always face traffic and you can't always face traffic and so you are trusting

855
01:29:23,460 --> 01:29:31,100
those people driving behind you. It is a horrifying experience and all I can think of is

856
01:29:31,100 --> 01:29:37,640
when somebody is propelling a wheelchair down that road it must be terrifying. So those are my side

857
01:29:37,640 --> 01:29:43,880
my little side comments, but we wanted to the park board wanted to present it to the hillmore before

858
01:29:43,880 --> 01:29:48,560
it was going to go to City Council and let you know that these were recommendations.

859
01:29:49,320 --> 01:29:55,640
Okay, very good. I'm going to start with these a little bit and help out where I can.

860
01:29:55,700 --> 01:29:59,980
First of all, the third bullet point requests the City 2%

861
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:19,460
Do means to include the town of Lynn segment sidewalk. First of all, that is the town of Lyon. It's not the town of Lynn. Lyon's owns the segment, you know, basically where the hotel ends. Okay. All the way to, you know, where would connect on by the restaurant down there.

862
01:30:20,300 --> 01:30:39,040
I do have a concern with that one because I think the issue there is you have a, I guess if we talk about the bowling alley, that's a large parking lot that to incorporate a sidewalk there may be very, very difficult.

863
01:30:40,460 --> 01:30:46,880
and so that sidewalk then would serve basically to the hotel right and I'm not

864
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:49,900
discounting and I'm just saying I think that would be a little bit of a challenge

865
01:30:49,900 --> 01:30:57,880
on the south side so we can have that dialogue. The first bullet point you know I've

866
01:30:57,880 --> 01:31:03,960
been working with the DOT once about every three weeks I meet with DPW staff and

867
01:31:03,960 --> 01:31:12,780
myself and all the higher upset that Wisconsin DOT, we talked through all these items, the

868
01:31:12,780 --> 01:31:20,460
five-foot was created, obviously, because as you go up, as you go up the hill on 50, that's

869
01:31:20,460 --> 01:31:26,600
a currently, I think it's a five-foot sidewalk. And so the ideas they just wanted to

870
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:33,620
keep with the five-foot worth to stay with the consistency of the sidewalk systems on either

871
01:31:36,660 --> 01:31:43,980
I apologize, I forgot at this moment in time if whether the DOT is paying for that sidewalk,

872
01:31:44,460 --> 01:31:46,100
which is what I think is happening.

873
01:31:47,940 --> 01:31:52,940
But I think any improvements beyond that five foot and that falls on the city to pay

874
01:31:52,940 --> 01:31:53,800
that difference.

875
01:31:55,880 --> 01:32:02,820
So I'm not disagreeing at all with the wider walks, I think that's a smart option, because

876
01:32:02,820 --> 01:32:15,140
I've traveled as we all have with Michael to different parts and we've seen the effect between the five and the eight foot pathways and and I don't think any of us here disagree that that

877
01:32:15,140 --> 01:32:28,320
Eighth would be a substantial improvement. So with that, I think the next step. I haven't figured out the exact order how this would go. I mean, this can come as a recommendation from this committee.

878
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:35,460
I think this probably would filter through public works a little bit, maybe council next

879
01:32:35,460 --> 01:32:40,820
I'm not sure of the route that it would go beyond here, but we can figure that out.

880
01:32:42,320 --> 01:32:46,440
The green space, matching distance currently from the Dunkin Donuts, I think I addressed

881
01:32:46,440 --> 01:32:47,040
that.

882
01:32:47,180 --> 01:32:58,300
The one thing that I guess I am kind of working with the DOT on is the green space or the

883
01:32:58,300 --> 01:33:04,680
and then we're the sidewalk is they're going to have that same basic terrace with is it goes

884
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:10,840
down past home or which I haven't quite figured out because we all know that the terrain there

885
01:33:10,840 --> 01:33:15,920
is is really a deep swell so I'm not sure how they're going to address that but they keep

886
01:33:15,920 --> 01:33:23,320
indicating that that terrace will be of width that will be similar to what it is as you come up

887
01:33:23,320 --> 01:33:28,220
you know about the real there. I'm trying to encourage them to set it back a bit further which I

888
01:33:28,220 --> 01:33:30,260
they're ultimately going to need to,

889
01:33:30,440 --> 01:33:34,060
but that's one item that's in discussion with the DOT as well.

890
01:33:37,920 --> 01:33:40,060
The lighting I totally agree with,

891
01:33:40,160 --> 01:33:42,800
I think that would give a sense of connectivity,

892
01:33:42,800 --> 01:33:45,800
if you will, from downtown, the lighting system,

893
01:33:46,540 --> 01:33:48,800
that would all fall on our dime to do that.

894
01:33:49,120 --> 01:33:50,600
So that would be a city expenditure

895
01:33:50,600 --> 01:33:53,900
and those things I can't state how much they are off hand,

896
01:33:54,500 --> 01:33:58,080
but they're, you know, I wanna say they're about $20,000 per

897
01:33:58,080 --> 01:34:04,600
light, you know, because it's not just the cost of the light, now it's the cost of the infrastructure,

898
01:34:05,460 --> 01:34:10,540
getting electricity and so forth and. But that does mean this all can't come as a recommendation

899
01:34:10,540 --> 01:34:17,620
for the Council on Public Works to consider. Lastly, the crosswalks between Western

900
01:34:17,620 --> 01:34:26,520
Kurdish Street, I can double check, but I know the DOT has proposed there's 60% design and they

901
01:34:26,520 --> 01:34:32,020
proposed all the projected crossings. And certainly there would be a crossing at Curtis.

902
01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:38,140
I just don't recall the drawing with the currently have on the plans. But we can certainly

903
01:34:38,140 --> 01:34:43,920
look at that rendering and bring that back to this group. So you're aware of one, not necessarily.

904
01:34:43,980 --> 01:34:50,440
I'm not aware of West, although we currently is at West Street that they currently have a pedestrian

905
01:34:50,440 --> 01:34:56,360
cross-ring. That's comfort. Oh, that's up there. Okay, yeah, that one they may not, but oh, that's gonna

906
01:34:56,360 --> 01:35:04,360
have to check. Okay. So again, remember some of this were bound by the DOT. This isn't just something

907
01:35:04,360 --> 01:35:10,460
the city can decide to do. We'll have to petition the DOT because it affects flow in all those those

908
01:35:10,460 --> 01:35:16,760
issues. So for tonight's sake, let's have some dialogue. This has been discussed at the park board.

909
01:35:19,820 --> 01:35:24,760
So I guess that's just take kind of bullet point, but bullet point in your role fast if you have any comments.

910
01:35:26,140 --> 01:35:29,780
So anybody thoughts on the five versus eight foot width?

911
01:35:30,500 --> 01:35:38,340
Is it basically going to be $1.6 dollars more to go eight feet versus five feet?

912
01:35:40,680 --> 01:35:43,060
Or is it really not a big deal?

913
01:35:44,180 --> 01:35:50,280
I'm going to answer that this way, I know that if we do the improvement now, right, alongside

914
01:35:50,280 --> 01:35:55,380
the DOT, it's going to be at a better cost point, because they're doing it already, right?

915
01:35:55,800 --> 01:36:01,380
So we're just going to be paying that difference for a wider walk, but it's going to be

916
01:36:01,380 --> 01:36:06,240
measurably cheaper than if, obviously, if we redo it down the road, so.

917
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:11,920
But I think the DOT would be very commendable to letting us say here, we want to bid this at

918
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:17,140
foot sidewalk. And it's starting out five, then it's going to widen to eight, then it's

919
01:36:17,140 --> 01:36:19,020
soon you, it's going to go back to five.

920
01:36:21,440 --> 01:36:24,200
Yeah. Yeah. I get the idea of having it

921
01:36:24,200 --> 01:36:27,780
wider, that's a good thing, but it seems a

922
01:36:29,830 --> 01:36:33,750
little, it's a, to me, it's a, a money thing now.

923
01:36:34,010 --> 01:36:38,990
Well, it's not sure that you're really gaining that much here. Well, all this is a money thing.

924
01:36:39,370 --> 01:36:43,910
We're, I mean, we're going to have to see because the city does capital boring every three

925
01:36:43,910 --> 01:36:47,850
years and we're coming up on a season to do that so I mean we can certainly consider all

926
01:36:47,850 --> 01:36:57,370
this but yeah it's going to be a cost factor too yeah as far as the eight foot I think

927
01:36:57,370 --> 01:37:04,810
we also need to take into consideration the slope of that part of the road how quickly it

928
01:37:04,810 --> 01:37:11,830
goes up and down a hill and if you have only five feet wide and you cannot pass another person

929
01:37:11,830 --> 01:37:18,650
easily and you're on a slope that's going to be even more difficult. That's why eight feet would

930
01:37:18,650 --> 01:37:28,530
be advantageous going in front of film more. I know that moms with strollers and holding

931
01:37:28,530 --> 01:37:34,210
kids hands, especially on a busy street, you want to be side-by-side walking down or walking

932
01:37:34,210 --> 01:37:44,370
up that hill. I think the eight foot is advantageous. I mean, given the lengths of that stretch,

933
01:37:45,090 --> 01:37:50,250
you know, I mean you're probably in the neighborhood of 100,000 minimally additional to

934
01:37:50,250 --> 01:37:56,730
widen that walk from the five foot, guessing. But it's that today's discount of doing it with

935
01:37:56,730 --> 01:38:00,690
versus the other person who would be considering doing it at the same time.

936
01:38:01,410 --> 01:38:03,970
And that's just a guess, but yeah.

937
01:38:04,270 --> 01:38:07,710
I think it's just smarter to do more of the front if we can.

938
01:38:09,490 --> 01:38:14,210
Especially if this is the Route 50 corridor where everybody's going to come and see it.

939
01:38:14,290 --> 01:38:18,290
It's like the entrance to the Taj Mall, like Geneva.

940
01:38:19,390 --> 01:38:21,730
I think it makes sense to really make it.

941
01:38:21,730 --> 01:38:32,690
do as much as you can with the DOT, and make it look good, so eight feet for sure, would be, that would be my suggestion.

942
01:38:34,470 --> 01:38:36,710
Okay, and I think this future goes on.

943
01:38:36,870 --> 01:38:40,990
I mean, eight foot could be re-introduced to the current five foot walks.

944
01:38:43,050 --> 01:38:46,790
All right. So, yeah, Michael.

945
01:38:46,790 --> 01:38:53,810
Michael? Yeah, just the importance of the green space between the road and the sidewalk. Cindy mentioned about the

946
01:38:53,810 --> 01:38:58,690
slope factor if you're stepping off the sidewalk but it also impacts the the possibility of lighting.

947
01:38:59,730 --> 01:39:03,590
So we need to make sure that green space is wide enough and level enough

948
01:39:03,590 --> 01:39:09,630
that you could put the light there if you extended along the front to help more to tie in with the downtown area.

949
01:39:09,810 --> 01:39:16,450
So I don't know whether that with minimum if it's level with five feet, you know if it's sloped maybe it

950
01:39:16,450 --> 01:39:23,870
to be greater, but that would have to be determined. But it's very important to the visual

951
01:39:23,870 --> 01:39:27,170
impact that Mark does talking about.

952
01:39:28,210 --> 01:39:33,290
Okay. And I'll speak with administrator tomorrow because there might be a different

953
01:39:33,290 --> 01:39:38,330
road map that I'm suggesting tonight might just be us going to write to the DOT and say,

954
01:39:38,730 --> 01:39:46,230
hey, this is coming up from committee level, you know, whatever possibilities. So, but for tonight's

955
01:39:46,230 --> 01:39:53,840
we want your ideas. All right, south side, the Dunkin Donut or Dunkin Donuts we talked about

956
01:39:55,490 --> 01:39:59,170
thoughts there, otherwise the south side of the street

957
01:40:04,100 --> 01:40:06,240
begging. All the way down, you know,

958
01:40:06,340 --> 01:40:11,120
so when we talk about not just the bowling alley, I understand the bowling alley, you come down

959
01:40:11,120 --> 01:40:15,480
and you've got the sidewalk and it goes through the parking lot and then you have another sidewalk

960
01:40:15,480 --> 01:40:21,850
that goes to comfort sweets. And then from that point on, there is nothing until you hit

961
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:32,120
the Sherman Williams base. And that's how you can actually currently access Walmart because

962
01:40:32,120 --> 01:40:39,640
on the other side of Dunkin Donuts. It stops there and can't, there is no sidewalk currently in front

963
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:41,620
of noodles in Kudoba.

964
01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:44,320
And so somehow we have to figure out

965
01:40:44,320 --> 01:40:47,760
how we're going to have a continuum

966
01:40:48,560 --> 01:40:52,120
on at least one side and where there isn't one side

967
01:40:52,120 --> 01:40:54,280
and there has to be some type of crosswalks

968
01:40:54,280 --> 01:40:57,320
so people can get where they need to go.

969
01:40:57,720 --> 01:41:01,540
The particular with Haven will be in on that side of things.

970
01:41:01,560 --> 01:41:03,120
Because you're not accomplishing anything

971
01:41:03,120 --> 01:41:05,780
if you create that system but then you get to Kudoba

972
01:41:05,780 --> 01:41:08,480
and now they go back out to the road to Kudoba.

973
01:41:08,480 --> 01:41:14,600
And again, I don't know. I'll double check. I don't know if the DOT hit identified putting a walk there.

974
01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:19,200
That's a really good point. I forgot. There's not a walk. Connecting that point. So.

975
01:41:21,930 --> 01:41:22,950
Okay. Yeah.

976
01:41:23,430 --> 01:41:33,170
The south side is going to be difficult, not only because of the properties and clients, but also the terrain.

977
01:41:33,750 --> 01:41:43,770
As I was driving down, looking at it, there are quite a few very steep hills, like within three to five feet of the road currently.

978
01:41:44,170 --> 01:41:49,790
So they would have to be terrorists or leveled or something to be able to get through there.

979
01:41:50,130 --> 01:41:59,490
So that's going to take a lot of work, but if it can't be done for some reason, I would prefer it be done, but if it can't be done,

980
01:41:59,490 --> 01:42:07,970
then those crosswalks are huge. They've got to be there because they didn't lower the speed limit.

981
01:42:08,370 --> 01:42:16,970
It's 40 miles an hour in front of Fillmore and if people have to cross to get from one place to the next,

982
01:42:17,570 --> 01:42:24,110
we need to have very clear crosswalks and multiple ones to be able to access.

983
01:42:24,110 --> 01:42:29,210
And I think that has to be really looked into.

984
01:42:29,730 --> 01:42:31,410
Are they going to be elevated crosswalks?

985
01:42:31,510 --> 01:42:33,830
So they're just going to be the normal one, just normal.

986
01:42:35,130 --> 01:42:37,250
Mark, you cross 50 there, don't you?

987
01:42:37,630 --> 01:42:42,270
Yeah, we play Frogger going across over by the comfort ends over there,

988
01:42:42,410 --> 01:42:43,870
because we kind of the way we get there,

989
01:42:44,030 --> 01:42:46,730
we funnel through the back and then come down through that,

990
01:42:46,730 --> 01:42:49,010
whatever that road is that the comfort suites around.

991
01:42:50,110 --> 01:42:52,670
It's hard when they're coming down around 50.

992
01:42:52,670 --> 01:42:54,770
You can't almost see the cars coming.

993
01:42:55,690 --> 01:42:55,870
They haven't done it.

994
01:42:55,870 --> 01:42:57,130
They haven't done it.

995
01:42:57,310 --> 01:42:58,330
And they're going fast.

996
01:42:59,130 --> 01:43:02,190
Well, the one thing that I've petitioned very hard with the deal,

997
01:43:02,330 --> 01:43:06,810
team these meetings has been the rapid crossing that we've just

998
01:43:06,810 --> 01:43:08,470
put in by the bottle shop.

999
01:43:08,690 --> 01:43:13,590
I requested that every single crosswalk from one end of the

1000
01:43:13,590 --> 01:43:17,110
reconstruction to the other end, get those rapid flashers.

1001
01:43:18,090 --> 01:43:22,170
Because people get used to seeing them every

1002
01:43:22,170 --> 01:43:27,730
intersection. So we're really petitioning hard to get those everywhere. And, you know, we have

1003
01:43:27,730 --> 01:43:32,630
an issue in interest to be able to go all the way to the other side. Tom, where Sky Lane is,

1004
01:43:33,630 --> 01:43:38,530
you know, how you come in from the from the west down the hill, come up over the hill,

1005
01:43:38,930 --> 01:43:44,450
your, you know, most traffic that I heard is speed. Well, they have a crosswalk, pedestrian crosswalk

1006
01:43:44,450 --> 01:43:52,210
go to right-ed at Sky Lane and I told the high engineers go out there and spend a half hour

1007
01:43:52,210 --> 01:43:57,270
and tell me that you're going to figure that one out. And so they're talking, you know,

1008
01:43:57,370 --> 01:44:02,450
they're going to have to probably put trombone arms out over the over highway 50 so that people

1009
01:44:02,450 --> 01:44:08,330
will see the flashing occur, you know, to slow down. But again, this is a DOT project and they're

1010
01:44:08,330 --> 01:44:15,870
the experts and and and you know we just we live here I think we have a fantastic understanding

1011
01:44:15,870 --> 01:44:21,350
of what works and what doesn't but we're petitioning hard with the deal to get a lot of the stuff.

1012
01:44:21,810 --> 01:44:26,570
As far as the last one the crosswalk and Western Curtis I'll just come back to you guys with that one

1013
01:44:26,570 --> 01:44:34,860
because again that's a deal of tea thing. Yeah. Just the comments on the overall city strategic plan

1014
01:44:34,860 --> 01:44:37,740
talking about quality of life issues, walkability,

1015
01:44:38,480 --> 01:44:42,060
bikeability, there are a lot of residents like Mark

1016
01:44:42,060 --> 01:44:44,540
that live on the south side of Hillmore

1017
01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:49,780
and we don't really want to encourage that the only way to get there safely

1018
01:44:49,780 --> 01:44:51,360
is to use your car.

1019
01:44:51,740 --> 01:44:54,260
You know, if they're going to go for a hike, why not walk from their house

1020
01:44:54,260 --> 01:44:57,420
to get to the property and be able to cross 50 safety right now.

1021
01:44:57,580 --> 01:44:58,900
It's a barrier. It's not safe.

1022
01:44:58,900 --> 01:44:59,980
this this

1023
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:04,080
Fits in, to me, a bigger vision for the city, not just even with Helmore.

1024
01:45:06,970 --> 01:45:06,970
Okay.

1025
01:45:09,440 --> 01:45:10,540
All right. So,

1026
01:45:12,770 --> 01:45:17,830
we have the sign here for recommendation. These all came as a recommendation from the park board.

1027
01:45:20,030 --> 01:45:26,370
You guys can simply just to read all this and we'll look in the all of it or if you want to item out stuff.

1028
01:45:31,010 --> 01:45:32,310
So, do you want to motion?

1029
01:45:36,050 --> 01:45:37,170
Let's do it this way.

1030
01:45:37,430 --> 01:45:41,330
Why don't we just get the ideas on the table and we'll pursue it?

1031
01:45:41,390 --> 01:45:43,830
I don't think we need a full motion on it.

1032
01:45:44,210 --> 01:45:46,830
So if we're looking to pursue the eight foot walks,

1033
01:45:48,670 --> 01:45:52,990
I mean, is there anyone that would disagree with that?

1034
01:45:53,330 --> 01:45:55,310
All right, so we'll look into that.

1035
01:45:58,750 --> 01:46:00,970
I think the Duncan Donuts we talked about.

1036
01:46:00,970 --> 01:46:03,950
There's no, I shouldn't really need it there. It is what it is.

1037
01:46:05,110 --> 01:46:08,170
Again, I agree. I think the soil size is going to be very difficult.

1038
01:46:09,150 --> 01:46:11,450
I think funding is going to come into play.

1039
01:46:12,090 --> 01:46:16,930
And I'd rather funding it on the north side contiguous than to, you know,

1040
01:46:16,950 --> 01:46:21,090
have any issues with a personal, you know, cross the system up north.

1041
01:46:21,710 --> 01:46:24,570
So we can look, I think what I would suggest on that.

1042
01:46:24,810 --> 01:46:28,430
I'll talk to the DOT about it and staff about it,

1043
01:46:28,430 --> 01:46:33,510
And I think that's going to be a really, really tough sell to get that sell side done.

1044
01:46:34,510 --> 01:46:36,950
But we can sort of look into it.

1045
01:46:37,390 --> 01:46:40,770
And will that come back then, both to this committee and to the park?

1046
01:46:41,130 --> 01:46:41,490
Yep.

1047
01:46:42,330 --> 01:46:42,650
Yep.

1048
01:46:42,790 --> 01:46:44,030
We'll bring it back.

1049
01:46:44,610 --> 01:46:50,670
So in the minutes, I'll put that the commission concurred with the park commission's recommendations

1050
01:46:50,670 --> 01:46:57,850
and that the mayor would advance through the city and with Wisconsin government.

1051
01:46:57,850 --> 01:47:02,590
because some stuff's DOT which we're bound and then some stuff is city but then

1052
01:47:02,590 --> 01:47:08,430
it's fun to get so. So yeah let's let's I'll talk to the administrator and we'll

1053
01:47:08,430 --> 01:47:11,330
create a pathway for all of this bring it back.

1054
01:47:13,850 --> 01:47:18,230
Okay Dan just let's say thank you Peggy

1055
01:47:18,230 --> 01:47:24,910
and you have a very nice job with your captive audience and your descriptions. Okay

1056
01:47:24,910 --> 01:47:28,130
Anything else on this?

1057
01:47:28,690 --> 01:47:31,170
All right.

1058
01:47:31,510 --> 01:47:32,730
Next meeting.

1059
01:47:34,210 --> 01:47:36,770
Are we on for January 22nd?

1060
01:47:37,790 --> 01:47:38,450
Oh, four.

1061
01:47:38,970 --> 01:47:39,110
Yeah.

1062
01:47:39,250 --> 01:47:41,690
Our next meeting is two weeks from now.

1063
01:47:42,090 --> 01:47:44,310
Upland design will be presenting

1064
01:47:44,910 --> 01:47:47,750
preliminary work on the drafts.

1065
01:47:47,870 --> 01:47:51,570
This would be an opportunity to provide additional input

1066
01:47:51,570 --> 01:47:57,950
before the three final draft or preliminary five draft versions are presented for a public review.

1067
01:47:58,710 --> 01:48:01,210
So, it's very important meeting on January 20th.

1068
01:48:01,210 --> 01:48:02,410
So what time is it?

1069
01:48:02,950 --> 01:48:07,550
It's Thursday six o'clock, okay. All right. All right, very good.

1070
01:48:08,630 --> 01:48:10,370
Item nine adjournment, is there a motion?

1071
01:48:10,870 --> 01:48:13,090
You say, okay, you said those, the 26th.

1072
01:48:14,110 --> 01:48:17,030
22nd. 22. Yep. I make a motion. Okay.

1073
01:48:17,030 --> 01:48:22,330
We have motion by Lowell, the journey is a second, second, second by Clark, all in favor

1074
01:48:22,330 --> 01:48:22,930
eye.

1075
01:48:23,230 --> 01:48:23,630
I close.

1076
01:48:23,830 --> 01:48:24,990
We're journey, thank you for your time folks.

1077
01:48:33,230 --> 01:48:34,310
I'm going to tell you today.