1 00:00:01,309 --> 00:00:03,329 [music] 2 00:00:06,550 --> 00:00:08,570 [music] 3 00:00:17,840 --> 00:00:23,680 » Good morning ladies and gentlemen and welcome to the Wednesday, February 18th, 4 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:27,280 2026 meeting of the Lake Havasu City Planning and Zoning Commission. If you'd 5 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,960 please rise and join me for the Pledge of Allegiance. 6 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:38,680 » I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the 7 00:00:35,440 --> 00:00:44,360 republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and 8 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:44,360 justice for all. 9 00:00:45,850 --> 00:00:51,800 » [clears throat] >> Madam Secretary, would you please call 10 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,800 the roll? 11 00:00:52,360 --> 00:00:56,360 » Commissioner Susanna Ballard. >> Present. 12 00:00:55,000 --> 00:00:59,600 » Commissioner Joan DeSerio. >> Here. 13 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:03,760 » Commissioner Paul Lear. Vice Chair Tiffany Wilson. 14 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:05,600 Commissioner Lonnie Stevenson. >> Here. 15 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:07,640 » Chair Jim Harris. >> Here. 16 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:09,400 » Commissioner Gabriel Medley. >> Here. 17 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,400 » Commissioner Mary Costa. >> Here. 18 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:15,040 » Commissioner [snorts] J.P. Thornton. >> Here. 19 00:01:11,960 --> 00:01:19,280 » Commissioner Phil Lanette. >> Okay, and let the record note that we 20 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:24,760 have filled the two vacancy positions with Ms. Costa and Mr. Stevenson. 21 00:01:23,840 --> 00:01:30,360 All right, correspondence and announcements, Mr. Gilbert. 22 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:30,360 » Uh thank you, Mr. Chairman. 23 00:01:30,800 --> 00:01:37,520 As you will see in the upcoming presentation, the draft 60-day comment 24 00:01:35,160 --> 00:01:41,526 period started on February 17th, which was yesterday for the general plan. 25 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:43,600 Um >> [snorts] 26 00:01:41,720 --> 00:01:47,880 » we have no uh no other actions recently taken by 27 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:52,040 council to update you guys on, so that's it for the uh correspondence and 28 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:52,040 announcements. 29 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:56,720 » Okay, uh minutes of the last meeting, are 30 00:01:54,720 --> 00:02:00,600 there any additions, deletions, corrections to those minutes by 31 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:03,520 commissioners? I will entertain a motion then. 32 00:02:02,360 --> 00:02:06,360 » Mr. Chairman. >> Ms. Ballard. 33 00:02:04,320 --> 00:02:13,120 » Um I endure a motion that we approve the minutes of the January 21st, 2026 34 00:02:09,200 --> 00:02:16,600 planning and zoning as presented. >> We have a motion by Ms. Ballard, a 35 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:20,800 second by Mr. Thornton to approve the minutes as written. Any further 36 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:24,200 discussion? Seeing none, let's call for the 37 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:24,200 question. 38 00:02:37,920 --> 00:02:42,600 » The motion to approve the minutes passes 7 to 0. 39 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:46,040 » Okay, let me just start by saying that this is a public hearing and there is a 40 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:49,880 structured order to this proceeding. The city staff will present each item. There 41 00:02:47,920 --> 00:02:53,200 will be time for the commission to ask questions of the staff and then the 42 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:57,240 applicant will have the opportunity to present their case to the commission. 43 00:02:55,440 --> 00:03:01,440 That being done, we will then open the proceedings to the public for questions 44 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:04,519 and input. I would ask that anyone of the public 45 00:03:02,720 --> 00:03:08,760 that wishes to speak limit their trips to the mic podium and microphone to one 46 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:11,920 only, keep all comments to less than 3 minutes, and to stay on point not 47 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:16,600 discuss subject matter that is not pertinent to the decision 48 00:03:14,680 --> 00:03:19,280 being presented here today. After public testimony is taken, I'll 49 00:03:17,920 --> 00:03:22,880 then close the public hearing and bring the motion back to the table for city 50 00:03:21,320 --> 00:03:25,959 staff's exceptions and conditions of approval, discussion amongst the 51 00:03:24,519 --> 00:03:30,280 commissioners, and eventually a motion to approve or disapprove. Thank you in 52 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:36,160 advance for your cooperation. Today's On today's agenda, the first 53 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:42,840 item is ID 26-5112. This is the 2026 general plan update 54 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:47,200 progress report by Mr. Gilbert. >> Thank you, Mr. Chairman, and this item 55 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:51,280 is an update. It will not require any action by the commission. Um 56 00:03:50,080 --> 00:03:54,960 Good morning to the planning commission, everyone joining us today. I'll be 57 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:59,920 giving a brief update on the ongoing Lake Havasu City General Plan update. 58 00:03:57,040 --> 00:04:04,800 This presentation will cover process and schedule, participation update, next 59 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:08,360 steps, and questions. For those participating for the first 60 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:12,520 time, the General Plan update and the goals and objectives that will come from 61 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:17,600 it serves as the long-range guide for the city's growth and development over 62 00:04:14,040 --> 00:04:21,640 the next decade and beyond. This update does not change the current 63 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:26,040 development code or zoning map. Any future policy changes to those documents 64 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:30,440 would require a formal notice legislative public hearing process. 65 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:34,919 While such updates often follow a General Plan revision, it is far too 66 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:37,640 early in the process to consider any amendments. 67 00:04:40,919 --> 00:04:45,960 From the beginning of this 2-year process and following the hiring of the 68 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:50,760 consultant team from Logan Simpson Design, we established a public schedule 69 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:56,000 to guide the timing and major milestones of the General Plan update. 70 00:04:53,120 --> 00:05:00,480 Steps 1, 2, and 3 are now complete. We are currently in step four, build, where 71 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:04,640 draft chapters have been developed and reviewed by staff and the technical 72 00:05:02,919 --> 00:05:09,160 advisory committee, and the 60-day comment period has begun, and that was 73 00:05:06,680 --> 00:05:12,960 officially yesterday. The work completed so far in step four 74 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:18,200 is the primary focus of today's presentation. Step five is well underway 75 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:22,600 already, but is not yet developed enough to be at a point to include in this 76 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,600 update. 77 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:29,520 Engagement continues to be strong and consistent. 78 00:05:29,468 --> 00:05:33,640 » [snorts] >> Since our last update, we've expanded 79 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:38,280 our reach outreach through pop-up events, in-person virtual workshops, 80 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:42,760 social media, and local radio. The recent workshops focused on 81 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:47,000 conforming confirming and refining the five aspirational statements, reviewing 82 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:51,040 draft goals for each chapter, and exploring and validating the future land 83 00:05:49,080 --> 00:05:55,120 use map. Your following engagement summary was 84 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:59,040 included in your agenda packet. I do have some copies up here on the 85 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:02,280 dais for anyone in the audience that would like one. Just ask me after the 86 00:06:00,800 --> 00:06:05,680 meeting. It provides a brief overview the 87 00:06:03,840 --> 00:06:09,720 community events and outreach efforts and most importantly, it includes the 88 00:06:07,640 --> 00:06:13,520 workshop results that asked [snorts] residents whether each statement or goal 89 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:18,520 reflects what they want for the future Lake Havasu City. 90 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:24,560 Today, we've engaged more than 22,000 community members that sat from roughly 91 00:06:20,280 --> 00:06:30,400 18,000 at our September 2025 update and participation continues to grow as we 92 00:06:26,600 --> 00:06:30,400 move into public review. 93 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:38,200 The steering committee has continued to meet at key points throughout the 94 00:06:35,919 --> 00:06:43,240 process to review materials, provide guidance, and help ensure the general 95 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:48,360 plan reflects community priorities. Our first meeting in June of 2025 96 00:06:45,760 --> 00:06:52,640 focused on foundational items including the general plan overview and the 97 00:06:49,919 --> 00:06:55,720 initial aspirational statements. This [snorts] set the stage for all the 98 00:06:53,880 --> 00:06:59,600 work that followed. At the second meeting in August 2025, 99 00:06:57,960 --> 00:07:03,600 the committee reviewed several major topic areas 100 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:09,440 such as shoreline access, open space infrastructure, housing, and the draft 101 00:07:06,080 --> 00:07:13,680 goals objectives for each chapter. The third meeting in October 2025 built 102 00:07:12,040 --> 00:07:16,880 on that work. The committee reviewed revised 103 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:21,919 aspirational statements and provided input on airport development, economic 104 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:27,040 development, expanding housing options, shoreline access, and updated goals and 105 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:27,040 objectives. 106 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:33,920 A fourth meeting in February of 2026 saw the committee 107 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:35,640 reviewing the draft general plan. >> [snorts] 108 00:07:34,240 --> 00:07:41,160 » This was their opportunity look at the full document provide guidance before it 109 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,160 moves into public review. 110 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:49,440 Since our last in September of 2025, development services staff and the 111 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:53,440 consultant team have participated in several additional community events. 112 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:57,200 These have been heavily attended and we've continued to reach a wide 113 00:07:55,160 --> 00:08:00,775 cross-section of residents through booths, pop-ups, and informal 114 00:07:59,000 --> 00:08:02,800 conversations. >> [snorts] 115 00:08:01,000 --> 00:08:07,720 » We also took advantage of the Havasu Resident Academy, using that opportunity 116 00:08:04,920 --> 00:08:11,240 to build a group of community champions who can help keep the spark alive during 117 00:08:09,720 --> 00:08:16,680 the waiting period leading up to ratification in November. 118 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:21,440 Their involvement will be invaluable as we move into the final stages of the 119 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,440 process. 120 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:30,400 The second visioning workshop held at the end of October 2025 included both an 121 00:08:27,400 --> 00:08:35,000 in-person session and a virtual option, and it was widely advertised across 122 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:40,200 radio, newspaper, city council meeting, social media, e-blast, and the city's 123 00:08:37,719 --> 00:08:44,039 website to ensure community awareness and participation. 124 00:08:42,360 --> 00:08:48,839 The workshop focused on several key components of the general plan update. 125 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:53,240 Participants helped confirm and refine the five aspirational statements, 126 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:58,880 reviewed draft goals for each chapter, and spent time exploring and validating 127 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,880 the future land use map. 128 00:08:59,320 --> 00:09:05,160 The feedback gathered during this workshop has been especially valuable as 129 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:08,960 it helped us test whether the draft goals and the emerging land use 130 00:09:06,800 --> 00:09:13,160 framework align with the community's long-term vision for Lake Havasu City. 131 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:24,640 As we've reviewed input from workshops, drop-in events, surveys, and community 132 00:09:22,600 --> 00:09:27,920 discussions, several clear themes have emerged. 133 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:32,000 These themes align directly with the chapters of the general plan and 134 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:37,760 highlight what the community considers most important moving forward. 135 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:41,880 And as you can see on the slide that's up on the screen right now, 136 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:46,720 uh those five categories of balanced growth and land use, connected community 137 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:50,960 and infrastructure, prosperous economy, cost of development, thriving 138 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:56,520 residential areas and housing, and healthy environment, parks [snorts] and 139 00:09:53,000 --> 00:10:00,600 culture, and then some of the um and then some of the objectives under 140 00:09:58,120 --> 00:10:00,600 that. 141 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:09,040 And then all the required elements mandated to be present in the general 142 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:15,000 plan update per Arizona statutes are 143 00:10:10,800 --> 00:10:15,000 contained in those five themes. 144 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:20,640 So, we actually advanced too fast. Let me go back to this. 145 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:25,400 I'm going to highlight each of the themes individually with a few comments. 146 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:28,440 Um theme one, balanced growth and land use. 147 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:33,160 Public feedback emphasized shoreline access, open space preservation, along 148 00:10:31,320 --> 00:10:37,680 with sensitive growth and reinvestment priorities for the lake and the island. 149 00:10:35,760 --> 00:10:41,240 These remain essential to how residents envision future development. 150 00:10:41,280 --> 00:10:46,320 Theme two, connected community and infrastructure. 151 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:51,160 Residents consistently highlighted the need for reliable, safe utilities, and 152 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:56,000 public services, as well as complete streets, active transportation options, 153 00:10:54,280 --> 00:11:00,480 and [snorts] strong digital connectivity to support daily life and long-term 154 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:05,440 growth. Theme three, prosperous economy and cost 155 00:11:02,839 --> 00:11:09,560 of development. We heard strong support for expanding health care capacity and 156 00:11:07,360 --> 00:11:12,360 the medical workforce, creating a supportive environment for local 157 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:18,280 businesses, and ensuring fair share development 158 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:21,640 costs as the city continues to grow. Theme four, thriving residential areas 159 00:11:20,400 --> 00:11:24,920 and housing. Committee members emphasized 160 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:28,839 neighborhood character, diverse housing choices, and the importance of 161 00:11:26,440 --> 00:11:33,480 cleanliness, maintenance, and parking management residential areas. 162 00:11:31,680 --> 00:11:37,760 And finally, theme five, healthy environment, parks, and culture. 163 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:42,120 Feedback also underscored the importance of protecting sensitive and high-risk 164 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:47,240 areas, and continuing to invest in parks, recreation, arts that reflected 165 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:51,240 identity and lifestyle of Lake Havasu City. 166 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:54,960 These themes are shaping the draft chapters and guiding the goals and 167 00:11:52,680 --> 00:11:57,680 policies that will appear in the draft general plan. 168 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:04,960 Let's talk about next steps. 169 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:11,840 January and February of this year, the project team, uh technical advisory 170 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:15,720 committee, and the general plan steering committee completed the review of the 171 00:12:13,360 --> 00:12:19,400 draft document, and it was placed on the 60-day comment review period on February 172 00:12:18,080 --> 00:12:26,080 17th, which was yesterday. 173 00:12:21,880 --> 00:12:31,240 From February 17th to April 17th, 60-day review period for the complete document 174 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:36,560 is underway. On February 25th, a 60-day open house is 175 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:41,160 scheduled at the Mohave County Library from 5:00 to 7:00 p.m. 176 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:46,560 Uh there are some brochures outside the entrance to this meeting room that you 177 00:12:43,360 --> 00:12:51,360 can pick up on your way out uh that are invites to that open house, and 178 00:12:49,200 --> 00:12:54,760 I'll also have some extra copies up here if you want to see me after the meeting. 179 00:12:55,000 --> 00:13:00,280 May 6th and May 20th, planning commission hearings. 180 00:12:58,720 --> 00:13:06,240 That's those are tentative dates, and then June 9th would be the tentative day 181 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:12,680 for city council to act on the general plan update and to uh uh bind it over it 182 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:19,040 for vote of the people in November, and then of course, November ballot voter 183 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:22,560 ratification uh is required. Mr. Chairman, my presentation is now 184 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:26,160 concluded, and I would be happy to answer any questions that you may have 185 00:13:24,920 --> 00:13:30,080 and the >> Any of the commissioners have questions 186 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:34,000 of Mr. Gilbert? Mrs. Zero. >> I just a couple on the aspirational 187 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:38,080 statements. I know those are high-level statements to compare and but did people 188 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:41,840 when they were giving us our feedback on the prosperous economy indicate it 189 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:47,160 seemed like they were indicating they want more mom-and-pop type businesses 190 00:13:44,520 --> 00:13:50,200 versus big box things coming into that did they give you any indication in that 191 00:13:49,000 --> 00:13:55,800 area? >> Um we we heard a wide range of desires 192 00:13:54,080 --> 00:13:59,280 including some of the a lot of desire for some of the big box 193 00:13:57,840 --> 00:14:03,840 not big boxes some of the popular names like Olive 194 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:08,080 Garden, Chick-fil-A. So, there's a lot of national chains that did come up in 195 00:14:05,680 --> 00:14:14,000 the discussions. There wasn't a whole lot of interest expressed for like the 196 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:18,280 really big stores. It was mostly the the types of stores that [snorts] we do 197 00:14:15,680 --> 00:14:22,600 not have here yet that other cities have that a lot of our residents are desiring 198 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:26,560 including more local businesses. Yes. >> Okay. Thank you. And the other last one 199 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:31,360 on the healthy environment were they indicating that the 17 parks that we 200 00:14:29,280 --> 00:14:35,560 have are adequate for them or did they indicate they wanted more or more of 201 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:39,200 their attention on the shoreline of the lake that they were doing? 202 00:14:37,160 --> 00:14:42,839 » Uh there were it was a comprehensive look 203 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:47,720 but the shoreline because of the waterfront project dominated the 204 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:53,360 discussion clearly. Uh and I think rightfully so because the 205 00:14:50,160 --> 00:14:59,120 shoreline has been forefront for 30 years now and it takes something like 206 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:03,320 this to remind everyone that preservation of it's important. 207 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:09,720 » Any other questions my commissioners? 208 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:13,160 Thank you, Mr. Gilbert. Um at this time I'd open it up to the 209 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:17,320 public if there's anybody wishes to speak or ask questions. 210 00:15:16,040 --> 00:15:22,520 Please come to the microphone, state your name for the record. 211 00:15:20,080 --> 00:15:26,360 » Uh my name's Emiliano Torres. I am a resident and I'm also on the 212 00:15:24,800 --> 00:15:32,040 steering committee. Which I would relabel a focus group. We 213 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:36,800 have done no steering. All we give is our inputs. We don't know 214 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:42,240 where those inputs go and we don't know how they're weighted. From day one, I 215 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:46,080 have been asking for the sources of the information. 216 00:15:43,760 --> 00:15:50,680 Because the sources mean a whole lot. We could have one segment of the population 217 00:15:48,120 --> 00:15:54,280 or one business that could provide an overweighted 218 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:58,600 input to the plan. 219 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:02,206 Uh, if you could go to slide, I believe it's number seven. 220 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:06,880 Which shows, uh, >> [snorts] 221 00:16:02,400 --> 00:16:06,880 » uh, the witch talking to the crowd. 222 00:16:08,800 --> 00:16:15,880 Th- That picture right there. You have been told that these meetings have been 223 00:16:13,200 --> 00:16:19,360 well received. Well, if you look at that picture, 224 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:21,400 this was a two two corporate workshops, each about two hours long. 225 00:16:21,201 --> 00:16:25,040 » [snorts] >> You'll notice that's me on the far right 226 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:29,560 in the plaid shirt. The witch, who's a member of the 227 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:33,920 consultants, she's talking to the newspaper reporter from Bullhead City 228 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:40,600 with her daughter. And there's one other individual looking at the charts. 229 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:45,960 That's it for two hours. And there were two of those meetings. So, they have not 230 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:49,720 been well attended. That's That's not true. 231 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:54,280 Uh, I have Again, I've been repeatedly asked for inputs to who are presenting 232 00:16:52,800 --> 00:16:58,520 these inputs. Because 233 00:16:55,520 --> 00:17:02,120 I know I have my limited exposure. And I would like to know who is saying 234 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:05,480 what. Uh, 235 00:17:03,480 --> 00:17:09,920 and what adds insult to injury for me, and this is a personal thing. 236 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:13,600 The last meeting we had, and as we get farther on, these meetings are 237 00:17:11,079 --> 00:17:19,319 important, the consultant couldn't even bother to attend. Her and her staff 238 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:22,280 presented their, uh, or guided our way through the meeting 239 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:25,600 via Zoom. I can understand going to Zoom if you 240 00:17:24,319 --> 00:17:31,200 can't be there for any one of you individually, but for that whole 241 00:17:28,319 --> 00:17:36,000 contracted activity not to be there, to be bothered to attend the meeting 242 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:41,040 physically, I find disappointing. I'm going to be attending a HOA 243 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:46,920 meeting in a in a month or so and I'll present 244 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:51,880 my opinion. And my opinion would be read the plan very carefully and unless 245 00:17:50,120 --> 00:17:55,400 I see some major changes, I would vote no. 246 00:17:53,720 --> 00:18:01,360 Uh it doesn't represent what the community wants. The communities are the 247 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:05,160 residents. Now the business part does have a input, but I think residents 248 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:09,480 should have an influence, not particular organizations. 249 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:14,040 Thank you very much. >> Any questions of Mr. Torres? 250 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:18,200 » I have a statement. Uh I guess you didn't see me that day, but I was 251 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:20,800 actually at that meeting as well. >> you. 252 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:24,040 » And also I brought a couple of people with me who went through and made some 253 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:28,600 comments on that. So there wasn't just you at the meeting. Um I was just 254 00:18:26,360 --> 00:18:30,720 observing, but I did bring a couple of residents who then did make some 255 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,080 comments on it. >> At the workshops? 256 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:36,800 » Yeah, at this one that you mentioned with the witch. We were there and came 257 00:18:35,560 --> 00:18:38,600 through, so I must have missed you. Maybe you were at the restroom or 258 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:42,880 something. >> if you if you recall, it was not very 259 00:18:40,360 --> 00:18:46,000 well attended. It was it was sparse. >> We were only there for a few minutes, 260 00:18:44,120 --> 00:18:49,560 but that's we were there. >> There were more staff people than there 261 00:18:47,880 --> 00:18:55,120 were residents. >> And what's your answer to that? 262 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:58,400 » My answer the answer to that is uh 263 00:18:56,600 --> 00:19:01,920 the people running this thing aren't doing their job. 264 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:09,440 » How so? >> Uh they're soliciting inputs that uh 265 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:14,880 guide people to answer the way the the questionnaire is is presented. Like I 266 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:17,760 like I said, let me see who answered the questions and I don't need to need no 267 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:21,280 individuals. I don't need to know personal information. 268 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:25,320 But I'd like to know who presented the where the 269 00:19:23,600 --> 00:19:27,920 inputs came from. Uh a date. 270 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:31,600 Uh did they all come from one source? 271 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:35,920 Uh there's a number of things that you 272 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:38,480 could find out uh just by 273 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:42,440 finding out uh let's say what time of day these all 274 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:46,920 these inputs came in. All these inputs came in at you know let's say between 275 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:51,320 10:00 and 11:00, I would say there was a meeting and the boss told everybody to 276 00:19:48,720 --> 00:19:54,840 put an input. That would be you know that's not the general public. 277 00:19:56,520 --> 00:20:02,480 » Thank you. >> Um Mr. Chairman oh I'm sorry. 278 00:19:59,920 --> 00:20:05,080 What are some of the items on here that you don't think align with what with the 279 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:09,840 community? >> there's an over influence on tourism. 280 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:12,320 » Over influence on tourism? >> Yes, sir. 281 00:20:13,120 --> 00:20:19,320 » And that's that's your opinion. >> That's my opinion and to support that uh 282 00:20:17,880 --> 00:20:24,160 on one of the slides not here but a slide we were given and went on the the 283 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:29,840 plan, they show uh I'd say 14 or 12 possibly 284 00:20:27,600 --> 00:20:35,000 uh inputs from organizations that they uh received inputs from. 285 00:20:32,760 --> 00:20:38,720 And of those organizations, I think half of them were tourism related. 286 00:20:37,520 --> 00:20:43,360 And I'd like to know what those inputs were. 287 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:45,920 Uh were were they overly weighted? I don't know. 288 00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:51,480 » All right, thank you. Any other questions? 289 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:54,760 » Mr. Chairman. Uh 290 00:20:52,280 --> 00:20:59,280 Mr. Torres spoke at council a few weeks ago and made the same comments and two 291 00:20:57,560 --> 00:21:03,960 of the other steering committee members were present for another hearing and 292 00:21:01,560 --> 00:21:08,240 they disputed Mr. Torres' characterizations characterizations in 293 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:11,640 their testimony. >> Thank you, sir. 294 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:11,640 » Thank you. 295 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:18,040 » Yes, sir, Mr. Tunaman. >> Mr. Chairman, Planning Commission, Jeff 296 00:21:16,120 --> 00:21:22,280 Tunaman, Public Services Director. I would just like to add that uh Mr. 297 00:21:20,120 --> 00:21:26,680 Torres talked about our uh steering committee that we had a couple weeks ago 298 00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:31,000 um that our consultant was virtual. That is correct. However, I'd like to add 299 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:36,560 that there was six development services staff present at that meeting, including 300 00:21:34,120 --> 00:21:39,720 some other council members were there at that meeting, some planning commission 301 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:45,440 members, um and I just like to add that to um 302 00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:47,760 to clarify that for you for the record. Thank you. 303 00:21:46,200 --> 00:21:51,240 » Thank you. Any questions of uh Mr. Tunaman? 304 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:55,200 Thank you, Jeff. Is there anybody else who wishes to 305 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:57,875 speak on this item? Anybody at all? Please come forward, state your name for 306 00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,895 the record. >> [snorts] 307 00:22:11,120 --> 00:22:13,440 » Good morning. 308 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:18,360 One I don't know 309 00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:23,680 even know what the general plan is. 310 00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:28,440 Sometimes I still feel like I I don't understand what the general 311 00:22:26,800 --> 00:22:30,280 Um I was going to I attended both of those 312 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:34,600 workshops because 313 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:37,440 in 2016 when 314 00:22:35,360 --> 00:22:41,000 we did the whole process last time 315 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:45,080 I didn't understand what a general plan was then 316 00:22:43,080 --> 00:22:51,120 that I was even supposed to be part of it, much less that I had a vote in it. 317 00:22:48,680 --> 00:22:53,440 I don't know if you have if 318 00:22:52,840 --> 00:22:56,400 the thing is one person I spoke to I spoke 319 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,920 to someone someone from 320 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:00,960 the City Council level who 321 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:04,040 who believes that it's the job of the 322 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:07,600 uh people that you guys hired 323 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:09,440 to inform the public. But um 324 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,800 I don't It may be, but 325 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:14,360 I also believe that it's everybody's job to 326 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,760 try to inform people. 327 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:21,400 If you want to include your community that you currently live in, 328 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:25,400 then it's their job to do that to whatever ability that you're able 329 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:29,600 And um which 330 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:29,600 is different for each person. 331 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:35,800 I mean, you don't know how many of 332 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:38,720 the company that you have hired is 333 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:41,240 giving the message out about the general plan 334 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:46,520 to the employees who work at 335 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:48,720 any business, to 336 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:52,200 the people who are uh riding the bus all day, 337 00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:55,040 to the to the 338 00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:58,880 high school students who are senior students who are turning 339 00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:02,560 18 before November and get to vote 340 00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,320 in November. But, 341 00:24:03,160 --> 00:24:08,360 how many employees have been reached? 342 00:24:06,560 --> 00:24:10,080 Do they even know what a general plan is? 343 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,840 And they have a whole future. 344 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:19,280 And they're part of our future in our city and our town. 345 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:22,480 And if we want them to be participating in that, 346 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:26,640 how are you going to get How is your the company that you hired to 347 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:29,560 work on reach out to them? Do they even get the message? 348 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:32,720 But, I don't know the number from 2016. 349 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:36,680 And if they didn't participate in 2016, I didn't even know you needed 350 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:39,760 to. I wanted to. I saw news of the news reports here and 351 00:24:39,120 --> 00:24:42,800 there, and they looked 352 00:24:40,760 --> 00:24:48,000 really great. And you guys developed that whole region 353 00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,000 in 2020. 354 00:24:48,560 --> 00:24:53,360 I wanted to be part of that, but I wasn't. 355 00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:57,320 And that's why I've been trying to participate in the recent campaign. 356 00:24:55,880 --> 00:25:01,680 All of the new updates, because I want to know, but I'm only one 357 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:01,680 person. 358 00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:42,400 » Thank you. >> Mr. Chair, 359 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:46,840 just a quick note for you and the commission members. So, when we engaged 360 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:50,000 with the consultant, part of what's required by the state statutes is that 361 00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:54,080 we come up with a plan. How are we going to let people know about the general 362 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:56,560 plan? What are all the events? What are all the things? What are all the steps 363 00:25:55,600 --> 00:26:00,320 that we're going to take to try to engage the community? 364 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:04,480 There's an extensive plan, and the consultant is following that plan that 365 00:26:02,120 --> 00:26:09,720 has been approved, that is a part of of their scope of work. 366 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:15,000 What is impossible is to force people to participate. I mean, just look at how 367 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:17,920 many people show up to any anything, a council meeting, something that you 368 00:26:16,360 --> 00:26:22,080 think is major that's happening within the city. We can't force people to be 369 00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:25,680 interested, and we can't force them to respond, and we can't force them to 370 00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:31,040 engage, but the amount of participation that we are getting is good. It is 371 00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:35,480 positive, and it's it's probably better than than what's 372 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:42,240 being forecasted or what's being discussed in front of you today. 373 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:44,760 It just comes down to to any How do you How do you get more people to 374 00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:49,040 participate? How do you get more people to vote? How do you get more people to 375 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:52,960 care about the community? The people that do have something to say are saying 376 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:55,920 something. Those that aren't saying something are actually telling you 377 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:59,560 something. They're telling you that they're okay with what's going on. They 378 00:26:57,840 --> 00:27:04,320 don't necessarily have a big complaint to get out then and maybe voice, 379 00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:08,840 possibly, or they're not engaged. But it's not for not want of trying, right? 380 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:12,760 Like it's on social media. It's being broadcasted when people get on the 381 00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:16,840 radio. It's on uh going out in the newspaper. We're giving updates like 382 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:19,880 this. Um So, I understand I understand the 383 00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:23,080 frustration. I understand the frustration of people making the 384 00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:27,800 comments, but at what point what what else do you have 385 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:31,760 to offer? >> Thank you for your clarification from 386 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:33,760 the city perspective. Anybody else? 387 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:37,824 » Um >> Please Please come forward, state your 388 00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:39,844 name for the record. >> [snorts] 389 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:15,480 » the city council meeting, I went over to the um 390 00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:20,680 the other office where the planning and zoning commission resides. 391 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:25,360 But I think if you put it on front page news, it's all a question of 392 00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:29,720 advertising. If you don't advertise it, they're not going to come. 393 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:34,280 » Thank you. >> Mr. Chair, 394 00:28:31,320 --> 00:28:37,920 in the appendix, there is a list of some things that we've done to get the word 395 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:40,920 out, and some of that is included. Like we've had it in the best bets. We've had 396 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:45,480 our open house in the best bet section of the paper listed. We've taken flyers 397 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:50,600 to the senior center, to the community college. Um I've reached out to HOAs to 398 00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:54,120 share that. So, you can see that when you look at the draft, there'll be an 399 00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:57,560 appendix of different venues and resources and community groups that 400 00:28:55,920 --> 00:29:01,000 we've looked out you know, reached out to as well. 401 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:04,080 » Thank you. For the record, that was Ms. Hennigan. 402 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:09,040 » And uh Mr. Chairman, one one final comment on that matter that brought up 403 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:14,400 about participation. The most recent event that Shelby and I both attended 404 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:19,400 was Winterfest. We were in the in the the park off of McCollough, right in the 405 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:22,760 in the the tent for the that had the other city departments. 406 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:26,280 And [snorts] we asked everyone coming through if they were local residents, 407 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:30,760 you know, Half a Soo, or if they were out visitors. 408 00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:34,800 And so, we did not of course uh talk about the general plan with visitors cuz 409 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,280 they have no invested interest. Uh 410 00:29:35,070 --> 00:29:39,280 » [snorts] >> we reached 130 people 411 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:42,520 that were local residents and handed out brochures and swag. 412 00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:46,640 And uh again, that comes back to the point 413 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:50,920 that none of them are here. And it 414 00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:54,360 through [snorts] that process that which I personally been involved in and and 415 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:58,480 Shelby and some of our other staff, we've reached [snorts] hundreds hundreds 416 00:29:55,960 --> 00:30:02,840 hundreds of people in person and encouraging them to attend. So, 417 00:30:01,240 --> 00:30:07,160 uh uh as our city attorney said, we can talk 418 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:10,520 to large numbers of people, but that 419 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:15,760 doesn't mean they're interested in the subject or that um they see that there's 420 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:19,720 any reason for them to take their time to come down to participate, apparently. 421 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:25,120 So, uh we've used every method that we have 422 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:30,520 available through email, through the paper, doing write-ups, through 423 00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:30,880 handouts, flyers, um uh 424 00:30:30,746 --> 00:30:34,360 » [snorts] >> swag, talking to We've talked to many 425 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:37,680 neighborhood groups. Uh I have myself talked to many 426 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:42,920 neighborhood groups. Um it just at some point, there's 427 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:47,880 there's only so much you can do as a small staff 428 00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:51,440 with using email blurbs and blasts and the press. 429 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:56,360 That's the best you can do compared to my last general plan 430 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:59,320 effort, which was not here, it's a different city in 431 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:03,760 in Missouri. Um 432 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:09,720 the that was the pre-internet era and we had about 150 people that got involved 433 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:15,360 total out of 26,000. So, this is not unusual. There's a lot 434 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:20,160 of this that goes on, no matter how much you argue and yell with people to show 435 00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:22,520 up and participate and give their opinion. 436 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:26,040 They're only going to do that if that's what they want to do and and every 437 00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:28,920 community is the same when it comes to that. But, you're going to have very low 438 00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:34,680 turnout. I'd like to point to midterm elections 439 00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:39,720 as well, which traditionally have in in the low 20% range for turnout out 440 00:31:37,840 --> 00:31:43,040 of registered voters. And what is the rest of them? They, for 441 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:46,000 whatever reason, didn't feel the need to be there and that's what's happening 442 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:50,840 here. >> Thank you, Mr. Gilbert. 443 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:55,840 Mr. Stevenson. >> Mr. Gilbert, earlier in the presentation 444 00:31:53,840 --> 00:32:03,000 and I believe in our materials, there's a stat that says that there has been 445 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:09,000 over 21,000 views and engagement online. Uh to to to me, that's a a lot of 446 00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:12,880 participation and a lot of views and I think that's why I and you're going to 447 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:17,160 have a lot of diversity there. I understand if there was maybe a couple 448 00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:21,200 hundred, one group could maybe influence, but 22,000, 449 00:32:19,960 --> 00:32:25,560 I I just from my perspective, that seems 450 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:30,240 like we've done pretty good. >> And now, I want to qualify that our 451 00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:36,840 consultant, which the website that's set up, our consultant's only able to to a 452 00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:41,920 point tell where these where these hits are coming from. Um 453 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:47,120 some of them are probably snowbirds and outsiders and visitors. We We recognize 454 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:52,080 that, but the vast majority of them, given Havasu's uh 455 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:56,400 uh geographic location, it's probably not going to draw a lot of 456 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:59,520 a lot of interest outside of the region and 457 00:32:57,840 --> 00:33:03,520 and people that have a connection here. So, we believe that most of these are 458 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:07,200 legitimately the people who live here, have second homes, snowbirds, and thus 459 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,800 have some kind of involvement in the community. 460 00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:15,680 » Mr. Chair >> I I would underscore that. 22,000 hits 461 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:17,040 is a That's That's a bunch. >> Um Mr. Chair 462 00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,840 » Ms. Zuro >> There was a question as to what we in 463 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:23,800 the Planning Commission have done. I can tell you what I've done, which is when 464 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:27,680 we had these initial flyers, handed them out to everybody I could I reached out 465 00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:31,720 to over 100 people based on different clubs I was in. Um I've attended as many 466 00:33:30,240 --> 00:33:36,280 of these as I can and brought friends with me um so that they could make their 467 00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:41,560 comments known as to what they were interested in or not. Um and I would 468 00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:45,280 tried as best I can to put on my social media to forward out any of the meeting 469 00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:48,640 stuff. So, I have been trying to make sure that the word gets out to the 470 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:51,800 community um cuz we do want their feedback. We want to know cuz that's 471 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:55,280 going to guide our decisions that's coming up. We want to make sure that 472 00:33:53,520 --> 00:34:00,520 we're in alignment with what the people want to do. So. 473 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:04,000 » Any other comments? All right, hearing none, I'll go ahead 474 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:08,520 and close the public hearing portion of this item. Bring it back to Mr. Gilbert. 475 00:34:09,399 --> 00:34:17,240 » Uh thank you, Mr. Chairman. This is a non-action item. This is uh just an 476 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:22,480 update. Again, the 60-day draft document uh public comment period. And here's 477 00:34:19,639 --> 00:34:27,919 another opportunity for the public to to uh view the draft document and provide 478 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:32,240 public comment. Uh [snorts] 60 days from yesterday until uh technically the 479 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:36,280 closure date, looks like it's going to be uh 480 00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:39,480 uh April 18th be the final [snorts] day that 481 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:45,080 that that 60-day window be open. So, here's an opportunity to look at the 482 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:48,840 document and provide your comments. >> Thank you, Mr. Gilbert. 483 00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:52,639 We do not have anything else on the agenda except for the call to the 484 00:34:50,720 --> 00:34:57,880 public. This is where anybody can address the commission about any subject 485 00:34:54,760 --> 00:35:02,640 whatsoever. We may not respond. So, is there anybody that wishes to address the 486 00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,640 commission? 487 00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:09,320 Again, please state your name for the record. 488 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:16,320 » Bonnie Toy. And I would just like to recommend 489 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:20,840 again and reiterate the need for um the planning and zoning department. 490 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:25,200 And I don't know if it is the planning and zoning department's part or 491 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:27,320 responsibility or where it would go from there. 492 00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:32,640 Um for 493 00:35:29,280 --> 00:35:37,680 making our city more handicap accessible and verifying that handicap 494 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:42,000 accessibility is uh 495 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:47,520 correct in where wherever. I'm assuming that I know that when you guys have 496 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:50,320 plans that come up and forwarded to you that you look through them and you go, 497 00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:54,560 "Oh, yeah, that's done. That's But then you're assuming 498 00:35:52,920 --> 00:35:59,800 that the person building the property didn't 499 00:35:56,440 --> 00:36:04,040 change anything at the last minute or didn't adjust things. And I don't know 500 00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:08,160 if you guys check that part out afterwards. 501 00:36:05,720 --> 00:36:11,680 But there's also just the I don't know about the safe 502 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:15,640 You're guys are probably not the ones responsible for like potholes that 503 00:36:13,520 --> 00:36:21,680 people have to walk through or drive through. But um there's there are a lot 504 00:36:18,600 --> 00:36:27,160 of issues when it comes to the safety and um 505 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:30,400 of different complexes and the whole all of it. 506 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:34,640 So, I just want to reiterate that we should it 507 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:40,800 the American Disabilities Act is a minimal requirement, not a maximum 508 00:36:37,240 --> 00:36:45,800 requirement, and we can always do more even if they're just simple easy things 509 00:36:42,720 --> 00:36:49,480 like lowering the height of a curb. The curb doesn't have to be a block high to 510 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:54,360 step up onto. And when people have walking issues, 511 00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:58,760 it's nicer to have a lower curb. Just want to say that. Thanks. 512 00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,760 » Thank you, Bonnie. 513 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:09,240 Emiliano Torres, resident. I just need to make a comment concerning the city 514 00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:13,880 attorney's comments. They went beyond legal, they went to personal. They 515 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:16,160 should not be included as a legal uh 516 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,960 perspective. They should have been brought up at the 517 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:22,680 mic cuz they were 518 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:26,920 not legal opinions, but personal. Thank you. Thank you. 519 00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:31,160 Anybody else that wishes to address the commission at call to the public? 520 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:36,040 Seeing none. Oh, well, please come forward state your name for the record. 521 00:37:34,440 --> 00:37:40,640 » Deborah Hunter. And 522 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:46,080 um I attended Desert Storm event last year. 523 00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:50,040 And I it was so dark on you know, they should have 524 00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:56,040 fluorescent paint on the curbs. I don't know how many people fall, break a hip, 525 00:37:52,720 --> 00:38:00,120 get hit by a car. It's just a nightmare waiting to happen. I'm a retired X-ray 526 00:37:58,160 --> 00:38:04,120 tech from North Dakota. I've X-rayed 527 00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:08,040 X-rayed people that fall off. You know, it could be an accident. They may have 528 00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:12,240 had too much to drink, but it's a nightmare just traversing the city after 529 00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:17,720 dark. You don't need streetlights, but it even 530 00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:19,920 some fluorescent paint along the curbs would 531 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:24,600 you know, you could probably get volunteers to paint it for you. 532 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:27,840 » Thank you. Anybody else who wishes to address the 533 00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:32,360 commission? Seeing none, I'll go ahead and close the 534 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:36,840 public hearing portion of the meeting. Bring it back to the table for future 535 00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,840 meetings. 536 00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:45,000 » Thank you, Mr. Chairman. So, the the next planning and zoning 537 00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:50,800 commission meeting scheduled for Wednesday, March 4th has been canceled. 538 00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:54,200 And as it sits right now, the next regularly 539 00:38:52,520 --> 00:38:59,360 scheduled meeting to be held will be on Wednesday, March 18th, 2026. 540 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:03,120 » All right. Thank you, everybody. We stand 541 00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:03,120 adjourned.