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The time is 6 o'clock. We are at the Lake Point Fire Station. It's November 15th, 2023. We are calling the Lake Point City Council to order. We are first going to have a prayer by the mayor.

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And we'll be letting the pledge of allegiance by myself and we'll go to that point.

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We have to find him like other.

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Thank you so much for this beautiful day that we have today and the chance that we have

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to get together and to make some decisions that we can for late point, please bless us that

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we may have the best interests of our city in mind that we may be able to be let and inspire

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to do what's best for them.

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Thank you so much for all those that are willing to serve in the time that they commit and

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and get to the city without they don't learn to say these things, and I'm Jesus Christ.

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Thank you.

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Anyone?

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Everybody, please arise.

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If you have to meet, I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America

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and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, individual, with liberty and justice for all.

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I

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am Jonathan Gerard. I am presiding at this meeting. We'll do our roll call next. So Jonathan Gerard, I am here.

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Dan, it's not here. Doyle,

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Ryan, Kathleen, Jamie, Rob. Here. We have a full council. Doyle is joining us by phone tonight.

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and our city recorder and city attorney is here.

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We are on to item number six, which is our legal training.

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I do not receive any questions, but does anyone have anything?

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I just, under for the hiring and planning zoning, how art is,

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I know we know in close sessions

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and do interviews.

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If we might have been indicated, we might have did it incorrectly.

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the last time do we have to go back in to open to vote? How does that all work?

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Good question. Yes, so the actual appointment needs to happen as part of an open

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session. The appointment because we both isn't in when we're in close session. You

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can have the head nod of all right we're down to these people or we can't

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go that but you can't formalize any decision. Okay so even if you do a head nod in

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there it doesn't matter and after the session some of my change in my mind and

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and there's nothing binding from the closed session

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because you cannot make a decision in there.

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But you could say, all right,

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you know, how's everyone feeling about John Doe?

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And I'm kind of just like, I kind of like him,

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I kind of like him, I kind of like him, so all right.

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Something that might be it, let's go and, you know,

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prepare that and see if we actually get,

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you know, the resolution to actually point them past.

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Okay, and then worst case scenario,

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come out in three of us that changed mind

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and we don't have a majority.

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What happens about when you go back into closed session

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and to sketch more or just...

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You'd make a second motion, maybe it's...

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Now there's a Jane Smith, also was one of the candidates

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and the three people changed my mind, is it...

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You know what, after five minutes of reflection, I think, you know,

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she's the better candidate, so I would rather move to do that

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so you can do it.

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And if not, you could go back into closed session,

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you'd have to do the whole motion again,

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do the whole recording thing again, but it is possible to do that.

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Okay, just curious.

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I think we should go ahead and get one of the right ones, yeah.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Any other questions for Rob at this time?

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We are to item number seven, which is our public comment or one of our public comment sections.

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Uh, if there's any members, well, first of all, we should, is there any members of the public

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that would like to make comment tonight?

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Yes.

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Let us officially open us up motion by Kathleen second by Dan all in favor. Hi. Hi, I passed unanimously

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All right, thank you. I'm Mark Ross

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My wife and I

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own a home there and

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We moved in in March. We bought the home in the last October in March and I attended one city council meeting since

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I'm attending a night to comments on can I approach here?

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Yeah.

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The home-based business ordinance, its item AE, my understanding and correct me if I'm wrong.

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My understanding is that the current status is you are considering up to five employees of a home-based business, is that correct?

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and up to 12 vehicles parked at a residence. On average 12 a day is what's written in there right now.

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Okay, I'm here on behalf of my wife and myself and I can quote one neighbor in opposition to that.

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But I don't oppose the business per se, but the vehicle traffic.

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These are residences that are dense with children, kids, dogs, few sidewalks.

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My street has sidewalks and there's a few around there, but Iron Horse doesn't have

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sidewalks and that's it that's a north-south street like short doesn't have

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sidewalks I was trying to think so so we have we have kids dogs few sidewalks

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and a dozen on average or you'd say seven vehicles in front of a business

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or in front of a home-based business daily is going to be a burden on the

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neighbors in parking it's a hassle.

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Are you talking being parked out front?

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Yeah, they're supposed to be providing on-site parking.

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OK, OK.

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My neighbor across the street also, if I could quote him,

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he doesn't oppose the business per se.

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He's all for the tax revenue that it'll bring in and all

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And his view is as long as the cars are on site,

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He's fine with it.

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So that's how he feels.

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I still think 12 is too many.

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I also fear demands on electricity and water and things like that.

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And this is a residential area.

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And I wanted to keep on feeling residential.

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I don't want it to feel and look like business is there all the time.

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May I ask you on your fear of electricity?

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I don't think that we've allowed anything to major, to be allowed.

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So what is your fear of electricity, the power company?

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Okay, so this is all speculation now because I don't have a crystal ball.

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But if you have a home-based business that suddenly has a huge demand for electricity,

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And I can think off the hand right now, block chain mining or something like that.

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I can be behind the curb, but some of those will just do a sudden, extreme demand in electricity.

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I have no idea what people have been mined for up here.

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I don't know if it's multi-level marketing or what's going on.

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I don't know what kind of businesses are currently going, so I confess ignorance on some of that.

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But since I don't know what I don't know, I have to imagine that home-based business could include anything like that.

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But my main concern out of all of this is the traffic, the extra cars, the density.

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I oppose, I firmly oppose 12.

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and you are still opposed to that even if it's just coming from our local town

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the traffic people usually support home-based businesses in their home town so

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most of those people going to that home maybe they could be from outside but

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they could be right here from town not really adding to the flow because if you're

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going to go to a traffic or if you're going to go to a business outside of the

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location. You're going to be driving on the exact same road.

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Well, as you phrase that, as you phrase that, yeah, actually, yes, if they're from right

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here, they don't, I mean, you know, unless that's really bad weather, you can just walk

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or take a bicycle. I mean, if they're coming from Stansbury, they're going to bring a car.

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They're coming from Tuella or Ranchville or around the band here. So if I'm understanding

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you correctly, you're more opposed to people that are living outside of town coming into town?

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No, I'm opposed to I'm opposed to business as a lure from more cars than the residential area

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ought to bear. That's what I'm that's my precise and most strong opinion on this. It ought to no matter

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what you guys do it ought to look and feel and remain residential and it should be

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safe for kids dogs it should be there shouldn't be lots of cars coming in to

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these these residential areas every day a party a wedding that's that's all

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one shot and you're done we all have to live our lives that way and I'm not a

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the home-based business, I'm opposed to 12 cars coming to a place daily. It doesn't

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comport with what my wife and I thought we were buying into here. So I mean if you

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have three cars extra coming in, that's one thing, that 12, I pose it. And then I pose

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it pretty strongly, and I pose it strongly enough, and rather than I have to get involved

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in city politics, but I feel that strongly about it.

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If it turns out, you pass that, and there's one home-based business that has that, then

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maybe I won't care.

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If it's off in the corner or something, but if these home-based businesses with lots

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of traffic pop up everywhere, and it's a real thing where traffic is turning into what

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I fear it could turn into then may I ask another follow-up question please are you also opposed

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to having right share people coming into town to pick up people to go into work and things

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like that like the UTA van shares I don't think so I don't think so I need to know more

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details it I think that's a great idea so just you know there could be multiple vans coming

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again and picking up people. There is just wondering I had I had a similar thought. I don't

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know if there's there's a way that I don't know what went the city owns or what kind of provisions

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could be that that might be a way to swage my concerns and I don't know have you guys done a public

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opinion survey on this at all? We have several. They've been up online. They've been on our

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for a couple of weeks.

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It was a long time.

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I think not specific to where we are now.

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We put it out the over and over again.

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The ordinance goes out each meeting.

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I see.

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And I know, first of all, let me back up.

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Let me express gratitude for all the work you guys are doing.

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I know how well, I guess I don't know.

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I do know that it's a lot of work.

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And I know each of you have your hands full,

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and I appreciate that.

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appreciate your work and staff's work and I am sincerely grateful for all of it but when you get

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opinions on this you have to be careful I think that you don't get simply self-selecting squeaky

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wheel and I know often you know those who show up get to get to have more than most influence but

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But if you were to go door to door and get random sample responses, like responsible, political, political, whatever, whatever, I'm just guessing here, but I'm guessing most of my fellow residents would also be opposed to up to 12 vehicles daily.

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And when you fashion ordinances for the majority, I encourage you to put yourself in those shoes, if that's correct, if I'm wrong and wrong, but if there is a majority, if there's a silent majority out there eating dinner and they're not coming down here, if they, if they were asked, what would they would say?

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On the surveys, one of the common answers was five vehicles per hour, and there was a big percentage of that of the people that responded, but as you said, squeaky will get so

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self-selected, but it went to some went to business owners. There was a business

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owners here may some went to the general population. You could answer on both of

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them and say that you couldn't.

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Well I got mostly 30 somethings around me. I got a couple on this side with a

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toddler and another couple on this side with a toddler and the husband's

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can you couple us the home moms? I didn't get their opinions in time for this, but I'm

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pretty sure they wouldn't want it, you know, up to 12. Mark, can I ask you, Claire? Please,

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you talked about it. It wasn't widespread. Like if it was just one over and a quarter,

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you'd consider that, okay, so as you're concerned that every business can have up to 12,

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or what would you phrase your concern in?

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Whoa!

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You have to make, you have to make law, you have to make ordinance for everybody. So it's going to play equally to everybody. And I have no idea what's, what's, what's pushing this. I don't know if it's somebody on the city council or if it's somebody lobbying you guys for this ordinance. I knew to you talk. This is, this is new to me. I just, um,

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So, if you make a law for everybody, I have to suppose that people are going to take advantage of the ordinance.

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I'm just saying in reality, if you pass it, as my understanding as the draft exists, and reality plays out the where,

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are, oh, my fears didn't come to pass, well, then there's no need for me to worry further

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right, but if you pass it as is, and I'm seeing traffic everywhere on these residential

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streets, and my fears are affirmed, then I will, you know, do further citizen activism,

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It isn't my suppose, but if you have, if there's some other things you can do,

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ahead

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of time to keep that from happening, if there's some right share things, I don't know

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I happen.

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So I'm just trying to understand your concern on traffic mainly because that's the one issue

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that you brought up, is you're bringing up a lot of traffic throughout the neighborhood.

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But that's my main that's my main concern. So I mean, I've lived here my entire life. My dad was born here

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and he lived here his entire life. My grandpa was born here. So I've seen traffic change throughout the years

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I have a lot of bad children, and I know what traffic is like around here.

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I've also dealt with a lot of people here throughout the years. It's had their own little home-based businesses throughout the years.

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middle? Yeah. What do you mean by middle? Some of them are just doing like occasional

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metal work or woodworking type thing. That's fine stuff like that but they do have people

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come in and pick up product. Yeah they bring it out so I mean look I understand that and

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And I'm not, I am not trying to change anybody's way of life.

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It seems like this ordinance is what's the change.

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I mean, I see Amazon and FedEx and UPS all day long, right?

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We live in that kind of economy right now, everywhere.

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Right.

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But now we're talking about adding to that and now we're in double

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digit where it does in vehicles parked at a place.

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So in addition to UPS and the post office and the construction and FedEx, now it's 12

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more out of place.

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So I mean, you know, if it's all ran to, then that's one thing, but the city has decided

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to incorporate and become city and we've got these residential areas.

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the residential. I would love to see, I would love, I plan to grow old here and join my

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grandkids and probably die here. So I'd love to, I'd love it to keep the residential

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look and feel and enjoy the safety of.

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I believe this community is a rural community, even your lot is tied to an acre of ground, at

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least when they got your lock even though it's not an anchor. There was at least an acre of

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round set of sight including your area of your lock. So if you're like a quarter of an acre or

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eighth of an acre then there's seven or eight or three quarters of an acre set of sight as open space.

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That's how your development ended up here at a late point.

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Well it's wonderful. I like it. I mean it's great. And again grateful to all you do. I just wanted

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express that. Thank you very much. Thank you, Mark. Thank you very much.

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I have one more question. Just very clear. There was a right away question. You're asking

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our recording. Who owns what? Oh, yeah. I brought this up before the meeting. There is a,

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there is a path. It looks like a common path. You can look right here. Yes. You mentioned by

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Okay,

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there is a path, and I believe it's this section here, that connects Saddleback and Collette.

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And that path is, that's a common path between two houses and it has gravel on it.

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I don't know which jurisdiction oversees that path.

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but the north, if your computer laptop map is oriented

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the top edge of your computer north, then it's the northwest end on the colette side.

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Probably a third of that path stores water.

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It's under, as the precipitation is snow melts in as water hits that path.

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it settles here in the northwest half of the path and doesn't flow to the

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curb or the drain it settles right here and I wanted to bring that to the

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attention of whoever whichever entity so the Agioe original that I need to see

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if that transfer to the park district okay either way we'll get someone to

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resolve I appreciate it needs a little fill a little grading I don't think it's that

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big of a deal but it does need that. I'm for my houses right there.

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Yeah. Yeah. Thank you Mark.

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Thank you for the thank you. We are in public comment if you'd like to make a public comment.

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Sure. Have you signed it on the paper? I have. Please do so. Okay.

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The reason why I'm here is

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As soon as I do have a business in my home, I install blinds for home depots.

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Can you say your name?

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I'm Dan.

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So, S-O-L-T.

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I've been installing blinds since 1977.

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I've always had basically just a small office in my home.

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I don't have cars coming or going.

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It's just me.

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And I have my pickup truck.

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But home depots do require that I have a business license in the city that I live in.

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And I just moved here.

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and you don't have them.

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And I've actually talked to Jamie in the text book.

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I have talked to some last few years there.

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They're okay now, but they would prefer they have a license

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from the city that I live.

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So that's what I'm requesting, is it?

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Just to have a license like from my office out of my home.

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And what we are trying to get past

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it gives you the option to get a license

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if you would like, or if you would so desire.

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Yes, I would.

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So we'll have to see if it gives past tonight or if there's some changes.

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I don't know yet.

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I feel that most people's home businesses don't have a lot of traffic.

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As I say, it's just me.

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There's no one ever coming to my home.

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There's just me going out to people's homes and stands.

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Very grand.

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So I'll go wherever to install blinds in their home.

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So, anyways, that's all I had to request, okay?

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thanks.

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Thanks for coming.

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Any other members of the public in the tank to comment?

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Seeing none.

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A motion to close public comment.

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Kathleen is motion to close public comment.

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Sorry,

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thank you.

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You can take one.

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There's extras there.

283
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Yeah, yeah.

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Second by Ryan.

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Thank you.

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Any further discussion?

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So, I do see the employees ten and under more than ten, I just couldn't find the

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So, I know we talked about that though. I don't know, wait, I just don't know the name of the survey.

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I don't know the name of the survey.

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Well, that's just what I want to bring up, because I have the double surveys here and couldn't see that.

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And it could be done, because I just did it in surveys.

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I know.

293
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Definitely majority said off-street parking.

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Procursors and employees get that one.

295
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Oh, none of mine had found it.

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What number is it? 11 on the, oh yeah, right there. I was looking for how much traffic. Yeah, how much other numbers.

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Yep, we have. Thank you for seeing me. Well, we have 40 people respond, right?

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Yeah.

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The people that responded to that. So. All right,

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that's all.

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Public comment

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by Kathleen and a second by Ryan and just finished further discussion and so all in favor. Hi

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I

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Have unanimously we

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are to item number eight a

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Our post-mortitorium permit approval.

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Is there only the two on that Jamie correct?

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Is it a two number 1011?

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in. Correct. Okay. You guys have that? Yeah.

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Dole, are you on there? Yes. So

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pretty sure the top guys Fernando, Fernando, I just went off of them. Is the one that came in

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Doyle and I were working on 7P, saw it seriously, stopped and changed, stopped, and now it's about

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it in County and told them that they had no permit. I wanted to miss the reason I wanted to look

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we look at basement finished permit costs that will do that at a different time, but I think

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that needs to be reassessed, so I'd like everybody to look at that email and respond to

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so we can properly have our lawyer rewrite that, but I think it's too high what we have

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down for our building permit, which the building of visual hit suggested, and now he's recommending

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doing some adjustments on that, so we need to look at that.

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Anyway, so this gentleman came in and, again, Jamie's never to call him to make sure that

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county. Still had his permit. They do. He's ready for the 4 way or 3 way or whatever.

321
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It's a 4 way or 3 way.

322
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I'm like I'm on a construction. There's maybe no more than

323
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I. No. Is it 4 way now? It's a 4 way. I'm just sorry. Sorry. I think 4 way. Okay.

324
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Well, we were trying to find out we've been information from them and finally got the fact that he had pretty well finished his project or at least, you know, he needs to have that inspection to be able to then be in to put dry well up and close in the walls and those kind of things.

325
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So he was on his way, well on his way and we asked him to get a hold of Jamie to make sure that she was aware of it.

326
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Jamie, so I'm a list just going to solve it. Mark Tizz is closed. Yes. Closed not being finished.

327
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Do you want to ask me? That's what he called. He told me his permit was no longer valid.

328
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It says closed and others actually say canceled. So you think it's a cancel?

329
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Yes. Did you talk to him or did you talk to him? I talked to Fernando.

330
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You know the county though? Yes. As I talked to him. Yes.

331
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Yes.

332
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I didn't talk to her on the short leave one.

333
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You just leave him out.

334
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The problem was, was I called him and said, will you go through your permit, send me all

335
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of the stuff.

336
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So if there was something that kind of was sitting for a little while, they closed it.

337
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Yeah.

338
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And I was worried about that.

339
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That's why I'm like, oh.

340
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But the last two that you've done are in the same button that you've approved to go for.

341
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Yes.

342
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So they will open it.

343
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My word.

344
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Yeah.

345
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I'm just going to throw it on those clothes.

346
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County's fine.

347
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They're totally fine.

348
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They were just kind of doing what I was asking.

349
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But I really was asking them to close things.

350
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It was just like, we got to sort through

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because we got to let people know that it's ended.

352
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They're done.

353
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And yeah.

354
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So people keep reaching out and they're like,

355
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oh, we just kind of closed that.

356
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But we're okay opening it.

357
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So if they're fine, running it and taking care of it,

358
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that's why I just want to make sure that they're okay to continue on.

359
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Yes, to the end of the year.

360
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Certainly is the same boat on that one.

361
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But my second question or statement would be, we probably need to have Jared not work on

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it until we approve it.

363
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He's logged three things he's worked on here before we approved extending it.

364
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That could cause his problems with his people.

365
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Chair Brown, 1113, and 1190, electrical framing and plumbing inspections.

366
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So I worry that if we're working on something that's not been approved by the council to extend.

367
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If we do that, then they're going to have even less time to be able to finish up their projects by the end of the year.

368
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I understand, but it wouldn't be proper if the council has approved it to work done on it.

369
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But my original, my question was, what my question was when he walked in, was he on the original ILA?

370
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Ah, I'd have to go back into it.

371
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Because if he, that was on like, if he was on the original ILA, he has until December 31st anyway, unless they just arbitrarily closed him on accident.

372
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That was my...

373
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There was...

374
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Looking out on 22 I guess.

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So he's...

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Perfect.

377
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That doesn't mean he was on the original playlist.

378
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Well, he might be on the one that was on the list list.

379
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Right, exactly.

380
00:30:54,820 --> 00:31:04,680
So I don't know which one, okay, that would take me some digging if you want to, I just didn't know if you knew because then it would, he would have, they just, they mistakenly closed it.

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He should have had to the 30th or so, in that case, Jerry would have been totally fine to work on that because he would have been on the original ILA and have an authorization to continue working on it.

382
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And then I'll send the county just closed it.

383
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The permit date was February 22 or February 22.

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second of 22.

385
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That was on your original ILA. It was on the original ILA. So, so, so

386
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they, so it's okay to know no inspection. Then it's like, I don't. Yeah. Okay. He was on

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here. He was on the original. Okay. So, so he would have authorization to continue working on.

388
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I think when we ask them for the list is when they probably closed it because I said it's

389
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Yeah, that's that's what triggered that yeah, it wasn't and it wasn't the intention

390
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It was just like let's yeah, we just need to figure it out and let them

391
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Yeah, I think though if they did not close it there would have been no action because that caused him to make contact

392
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No, he would know no no no nothing no other contact here on any of the record

393
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But he was he was ready to do the four-way and that's what he contacted to get the inspection and they said oh you're close. You can't have it

394
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Right, but we just recently contacted the county

395
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And they might be only reaching out to the ones that are still like within a window, where his was in the beginning of 2022.

396
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That's a pretty hard long time.

397
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I don't care if approving these two.

398
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Are you making a motion?

399
00:32:46,590 --> 00:32:47,070
I'm not sure.

400
00:32:47,210 --> 00:32:47,910
I'm not sure if you could pull them.

401
00:32:48,190 --> 00:32:48,530
Let me get them in.

402
00:32:48,990 --> 00:32:52,960
Do you want to worry?

403
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Take three.

404
00:32:54,540 --> 00:32:55,460
Thank you, Doyle.

405
00:32:59,220 --> 00:33:05,040
I was expecting you to read a lot so I wasn't listening so I got I have Fernando. Oh, I'm sure what was Fernando?

406
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Surely it's lasting. Yeah, she only is surely on here, but I have her permit number 1554.

407
00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:13,700
So do it that way. Good job. Yeah, this is good.

408
00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:21,220
All right, I'm hoping to approve her

409
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Number one, four, eight, eight, three, and number one, five, five, or six, to go back to the county for completion on December 31st, 2020.

410
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I'll second that.

411
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So motion by Kathleen, seconded by myself. Jonathan, further discussion.

412
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Is that all the time? Is that all the time we need for these guys?

413
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:47,980
That's when the island ends, yeah.

414
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,100
Oh, okay, okay. So that's all I got.

415
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:53,080
Just briefly, I want to, again, reflect a clear record on these.

416
00:33:53,140 --> 00:33:58,260
I support approving them, but Janet and Stephanie emails all the people in October,

417
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telling them that comments would be closing.

418
00:34:00,580 --> 00:34:04,280
So I think we generated the action for people contacting us as they were notified.

419
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So just to make sure that that has helped us get people coming out.

420
00:34:09,340 --> 00:34:09,780
I think so.

421
00:34:09,780 --> 00:34:11,780
I think because then may be in May?

422
00:34:11,780 --> 00:34:15,040
So May 25, I emailed all actors who went to the deadline tooin訓 them.

423
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We have marked just this close, so then they contact you after.

424
00:34:19,100 --> 00:34:24,960
Yeah, so just be clear, by still supporting it, but I just wanted you to hear accurate on

425
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that.

426
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:25,760
Okay.

427
00:34:26,700 --> 00:34:28,300
So I don't know if you can go past them.

428
00:34:28,980 --> 00:34:29,120
Without?

429
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:29,520
No.

430
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:32,620
I guess then.

431
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:33,180
I guess then.

432
00:34:33,180 --> 00:34:33,860
I'm going back to time.

433
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All in favor.

434
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I.

435
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I.

436
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I.

437
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I ask you now.

438
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We are

439
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to item 8B, which is our contract renewal for Mike Adams, which is our.

440
00:34:56,460 --> 00:34:57,920
John there's two on here.

441
00:34:58,160 --> 00:34:59,000
There's not another one.

442
00:34:59,240 --> 00:34:59,500
Surely.

443
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We.

444
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:03,200
We did both.

445
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:03,400
We did both.

446
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:03,820
Oh, we did both.

447
00:35:03,980 --> 00:35:05,820
Are you still okay with that?

448
00:35:05,820 --> 00:35:13,720
Yeah, okay. Yeah, she's read both permit numbers. I was focused on some notes.

449
00:35:22,860 --> 00:35:24,840
No, we voted

450
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,520
oil. We're moving on. Do you have any more comments on that one?

451
00:35:36,020 --> 00:35:39,040
Okay, I missed the jerry track that vote.

452
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,940
Well, it's a proof until the end of December currently.

453
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Yeah.

454
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:47,940
The first case is they don't get it done by December 31st and we'll have to re-look at it.

455
00:35:48,060 --> 00:35:49,540
I was wondering about, no, I mean, which re-look.

456
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:50,300
Yeah, they know that.

457
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:50,640
Yeah.

458
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:51,740
They're sweating.

459
00:35:53,580 --> 00:35:56,480
If they have not done anything done, they're almost weak.

460
00:36:00,580 --> 00:36:02,120
Do you make an emotion for that?

461
00:36:02,380 --> 00:36:03,060
They have.

462
00:36:03,900 --> 00:36:05,440
If you want that answer.

463
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,100
No, I'm just trying to get the clarification.

464
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:14,120
I was talking about one boat, and I thought it was just the first one we were boarding on.

465
00:36:14,780 --> 00:36:19,540
So because both per-net numbers were in there, the only way we can change now is a new motion.

466
00:36:22,000 --> 00:36:25,260
But Jamie asked some information on Shirley, what is it?

467
00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:32,160
Yeah, I think we'll get it down. I'm okay with that, but I'm concerned this is one we talked about.

468
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:49,360
Yeah, we just have come back to us, right? I mean, that's what the default is. So I think that's what we'll do to all this time

469
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:52,900
Giving off a little opportunity, then if not, I guess we'll we send them prior January or

470
00:36:57,650 --> 00:37:01,130
Jamie did you have any further details on that? You need to share with us

471
00:37:02,250 --> 00:37:07,430
She had mentioned they still need to get the rail and rail rail in and a ladder in and

472
00:37:09,310 --> 00:37:14,590
a couple other things like the it's in progress. They just

473
00:37:15,870 --> 00:37:29,980
are very busy and are out of town constantly so and they're doing it themselves. So she called because she had to, she's making her husband get it done and I did inform them if you don't have done by this

474
00:37:29,980 --> 00:37:35,640
31st, if the council approves this to be extended, then they'd have to come back to us.

475
00:37:37,380 --> 00:37:39,860
Okay, so we're still okay with that.

476
00:37:43,460 --> 00:37:49,360
So we are on 8B contractor renewal for Mike Adams who is doing our website at this point.

477
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:57,600
Kathleen, are you kind of giving us the rundown on that one or not?

478
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:58,580
I'm just wondering.

479
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,480
On the contract?

480
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:01,040
Contract.

481
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,300
Actually, Jamie Doyle been in the middle of that one, but I can give it to you.

482
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:05,460
Well, I can ask Doyle.

483
00:38:05,680 --> 00:38:06,100
Yeah, Doyle.

484
00:38:06,340 --> 00:38:06,480
Yeah.

485
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,080
We're talking about the invoices.

486
00:38:13,260 --> 00:38:16,200
Sorry. Do you have really stocking over everybody?

487
00:38:16,540 --> 00:38:24,780
Oh, sorry. We're in the invoices and renewing the contract for Mike Adams.

488
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:28,380
Requested from

489
00:39:04,260 --> 00:39:09,230
the services provided that have no issues with it.

490
00:39:09,630 --> 00:39:13,170
So, unless someone else has a problem.

491
00:39:32,180 --> 00:39:38,640
I'm looking at the one that's uploaded online and it's the old one. It's 1695. It's not shown the three percent.

492
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:41,720
So I think he might have sent over.

493
00:39:42,260 --> 00:39:43,940
Is that the one look as old-end voice?

494
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:44,760
Is that the number?

495
00:39:45,220 --> 00:39:47,840
January 20, 2023. That's the first attachment.

496
00:39:48,700 --> 00:39:49,820
Yeah, the one.

497
00:39:50,700 --> 00:39:53,460
I'm looking at a 2311 proposal contract.

498
00:39:54,500 --> 00:39:58,180
Yeah, I'm looking for a proposal contract out there to his website.

499
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:02,520
I have the same number on it.

500
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:06,160
After you've seen that one.

501
00:40:07,620 --> 00:40:09,420
I went to the one that was leaked.

502
00:40:09,420 --> 00:40:09,960
I did not know.

503
00:40:10,340 --> 00:40:11,060
Oh, I think.

504
00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:11,960
Let's find the.

505
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:13,940
I'm going to check it out.

506
00:40:14,240 --> 00:40:15,820
16.95 was still there.

507
00:40:17,080 --> 00:40:18,480
So I just went to this one.

508
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:20,260
It's a proposal.

509
00:40:21,340 --> 00:40:22,540
November of 2023.

510
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:23,400
I'm sorry.

511
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:23,660
So I just went to this one.

512
00:40:23,660 --> 00:40:24,120
It's a proposal.

513
00:40:24,500 --> 00:40:24,840
I'm sorry.

514
00:40:25,300 --> 00:40:25,700
Okay.

515
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:27,500
So I looked at a different one.

516
00:40:27,940 --> 00:40:28,600
I was looking at email.

517
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:29,740
He's the one that says 11.

518
00:40:30,140 --> 00:40:31,420
Yeah, I've seen the one now.

519
00:40:31,580 --> 00:40:33,160
I don't see the 1695.

520
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:34,420
It could be added to your total.

521
00:40:34,860 --> 00:40:38,600
That's like, I see, we're going to pay by chance

522
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,040
so that we don't have the three percent.

523
00:40:40,100 --> 00:40:41,800
So we won't have it because we don't have the three percent.

524
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,940
Just down at the bottom, it says the proposal,

525
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,760
if he doesn't have it added into the 1695,

526
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,380
it does say down the bottom, if we do use a credit card,

527
00:40:50,380 --> 00:40:51,560
there will be three percent.

528
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:55,480
But if we pay by chance, the total should be 1695.

529
00:40:57,160 --> 00:40:58,640
is my understanding.

530
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:08,260
Yeah and I think he said he already included the three percent in

531
00:41:08,260 --> 00:41:25,440
the chart the one that I looked at. But that is something that I can I don't

532
00:41:30,150 --> 00:41:30,170
know

533
00:41:30,170 --> 00:41:37,230
what it is again this year, so I would be, I would be okay proposing to just authorize

534
00:41:37,230 --> 00:41:41,830
a $16.95 payment and then you can get the receipt to reflect what you need to.

535
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:46,570
I think the only problem I have with Mike is he's been incredibly good.

536
00:41:47,110 --> 00:41:50,910
So he's excited to all our expectations, you know, a lot of people talk about him.

537
00:41:51,030 --> 00:41:55,270
He's like, he puts his, I think, first priority, he's been a beautiful experience.

538
00:41:55,790 --> 00:41:59,470
He apologizes overly if he's an hour responding to my email.

539
00:41:59,470 --> 00:42:04,950
What do I am at midnight? He's amazing. Yeah, he's been good. Definitely good.

540
00:42:06,230 --> 00:42:10,770
So I'm mostly to prove pain. Oh, sorry. Wait, wait. Okay, one more thing.

541
00:42:11,570 --> 00:42:18,150
I think to do it right. I love to really contract up to the illegal allowable of the five-year total max.

542
00:42:18,850 --> 00:42:22,630
Is this have a five-year total max from? You want to go five years or less?

543
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:24,950
We have to leave it after some things for after five years.

544
00:42:25,730 --> 00:42:26,770
You won't lock in a break.

545
00:42:26,770 --> 00:42:28,830
I'm going to just get this one off our books.

546
00:42:29,210 --> 00:42:29,690
Can we pay?

547
00:42:29,850 --> 00:42:32,050
Can they propose a five-year contract?

548
00:42:32,650 --> 00:42:32,970
No.

549
00:42:33,130 --> 00:42:36,670
We can go back to him and talk to him about doing five-year contract.

550
00:42:36,750 --> 00:42:37,410
Look at that fee.

551
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:38,770
That much annually.

552
00:42:38,930 --> 00:42:39,050
Oh.

553
00:42:39,810 --> 00:42:40,130
Yeah.

554
00:42:40,690 --> 00:42:43,990
You could motion to make that counter-proposal.

555
00:42:45,070 --> 00:42:47,770
But that sounds like what he's proposed is just a one-year contract.

556
00:42:47,830 --> 00:42:47,970
Yeah.

557
00:42:48,350 --> 00:42:49,330
That's all we've asked him for.

558
00:42:50,150 --> 00:42:52,350
Jim, I mean, so if you want to have that discussion, that's up to the council.

559
00:42:52,610 --> 00:42:54,350
I think it'd be good to do something like that if you want.

560
00:42:54,650 --> 00:43:00,010
And then based with the option that we can just review it every year, and then I guess we'd have the op-out option

561
00:43:00,010 --> 00:43:04,970
And he went to and forbid he, you know, get sick or doesn't want to work for this or he shouldn't know it's business

562
00:43:04,970 --> 00:43:10,390
So that'd be something we could we could do. Hey, we could lock in the race and then they say we just we know this. I'd rather go back to him

563
00:43:10,390 --> 00:43:15,230
Topped him before we vote it in then. Okay. You know what I mean? Yeah. We don't want to just yeah

564
00:43:15,230 --> 00:43:19,930
What if he doesn't want to lock in? She would just approve it in one year, and then we can go back and then bring it back

565
00:43:20,730 --> 00:43:21,690
That'd be okay

566
00:43:30,590 --> 00:43:50,670
I think the one thing I think about the contract, too, would be kind of nice to have it locked in and say, look, we get lucky for five years, but we just renew it, and we have some opt-outs for both parties, you know, and then the benefit for him is you have a contract of the five years, we do every year, we still look at it.

567
00:43:51,890 --> 00:43:57,890
The good thing is the city would be if he lost in the same rate for that inflation or guard or whatever you want to call it for him

568
00:43:57,890 --> 00:44:00,670
It would be a continuum business so the wind went to both parties.

569
00:44:07,270 --> 00:44:07,670
I think

570
00:44:07,670 --> 00:44:14,350
Yeah, and I think you'd be open about that. What do you think of that Doyle?

571
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:33,480
It's reliable to find somebody new that wants to work on a website, somebody else created, so.

572
00:44:33,980 --> 00:44:37,420
And I keep getting calls from other website designers that I originally contacted,

573
00:44:37,580 --> 00:44:40,140
and then none of them even start to sound that way using.

574
00:44:41,540 --> 00:44:42,240
That's not cool.

575
00:44:43,140 --> 00:44:44,760
You shot very well, Captain.

576
00:44:45,820 --> 00:44:48,280
And I would like to take you to the option.

577
00:44:56,580 --> 00:44:59,960
The only other ask though is that we just basically do another thing where he gets the business for.

578
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,400
To five years, we just renew it year after year, though, so review it. As a line item on the finance, and then if you want to opt out, we opt out, we give each other what, what maybe 90 days. Yeah, because that way, because if we need to find somebody, we need some elimination period or some period of time, or we can look for somebody. Yeah. And then the benefit for him, if he's willing to keep the costs the same, that's actually a plus for us. And then for him, he'd get to you know, business as long as everyone's happy, people are totally happy. And so that's not the other way to go.

579
00:45:33,930 --> 00:45:40,750
Yeah, I mean, when I have to 3% whatever you guys, you know, maybe, let's see what Mike comes up with. He might just be happy and tickle pink.

580
00:45:40,750 --> 00:45:44,710
But I think he's been exceptional. He's local and great.

581
00:45:45,730 --> 00:45:51,890
Honestly, I can look at it a lot before I understand it includes anything we ever want, you know, from him.

582
00:45:52,410 --> 00:45:54,710
That's not also what IT world does.

583
00:45:56,850 --> 00:46:02,350
So in that contract, is there any maintenance and care or anything that goes wrong?

584
00:46:03,370 --> 00:46:05,370
You're right Ryan, I totally agree with that one.

585
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:06,550
Yeah, I've never seen that before.

586
00:46:06,710 --> 00:46:07,370
Yeah, I've never seen that before.

587
00:46:07,390 --> 00:46:09,010
Is there any change to page name for me today?

588
00:46:09,290 --> 00:46:10,430
Yeah, I don't like the page name.

589
00:46:11,210 --> 00:46:11,830
Let's do it.

590
00:46:11,990 --> 00:46:18,790
Yeah, so his contract, according to our CD recorder, expires on the 30th of this month.

591
00:46:19,010 --> 00:46:19,130
Yep.

592
00:46:22,010 --> 00:46:32,370
So, so give your night together an idea, last night, I emailed him at 8.23. He responded at 8.36.

593
00:46:34,170 --> 00:46:34,970
I think he's-

594
00:46:34,970 --> 00:46:38,610
What it says is famous unlimited customer service and that's clearly what we're getting.

595
00:46:38,850 --> 00:46:42,030
Well, and he's under 24 hours. I've never seen him go over 24 hours ever.

596
00:46:42,730 --> 00:46:49,390
So my thought is won't you motion to prove at least a one year with the option to come back and do what Ryan's

597
00:46:49,390 --> 00:46:53,690
Is actually a great idea with those provisions I wanted in there or what you guys want as well

598
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:01,940
Yeah, I like to see Mike. Yeah, Mike and down business. I miss Mike

599
00:47:09,240 --> 00:47:10,500
That's my love my

600
00:47:13,600 --> 00:47:15,040
So we're really wanting to

601
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,800
need to do that for tonight.

602
00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:20,860
I don't think he was born to do it.

603
00:47:21,300 --> 00:47:21,760
I'm not going to be on the

604
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:21,820
front.

605
00:47:23,300 --> 00:47:23,780
I'm sorry.

606
00:47:24,160 --> 00:47:25,120
I just want to give you this opportunity.

607
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:26,240
I'm going to do it.

608
00:47:26,620 --> 00:47:28,720
Get the target down and bring it back.

609
00:47:29,220 --> 00:47:30,360
We could do that though.

610
00:47:30,540 --> 00:47:31,880
I think it's a great idea and then we bring it back.

611
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:34,420
And Jimmy could put on the agenda for the first weekend of

612
00:47:34,420 --> 00:47:34,680
December.

613
00:47:35,420 --> 00:47:36,660
Yeah, for me, the 29.

614
00:47:36,940 --> 00:47:37,780
Yeah, we could just wait 9.

615
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:38,740
Thank you for the expires.

616
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:40,300
Yeah, let's do that.

617
00:47:41,740 --> 00:47:43,660
You want me to talk to you?

618
00:47:45,100 --> 00:47:45,660
Progeny.

619
00:47:46,420 --> 00:47:47,680
No, I'd be fine, Kathleen.

620
00:47:47,980 --> 00:47:59,100
I just, I don't want to pick nickels sometimes, but I just saw that in that first one when I went online, and it said it included automatically included 3%.

621
00:47:59,100 --> 00:47:59,680
Right.

622
00:48:00,180 --> 00:48:00,500
And so?

623
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,240
Yeah, I think, yeah.

624
00:48:03,620 --> 00:48:03,980
Okay.

625
00:48:05,620 --> 00:48:07,580
Between the two of us, we'll get him a little bit of workin' out.

626
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:09,260
Okay.

627
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,500
So I just didn't want you to say tonight.

628
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:15,470
I know you do.

629
00:48:15,590 --> 00:48:16,430
I'd be cuddling, please.

630
00:48:16,690 --> 00:48:17,390
Dan say Dan.

631
00:48:17,690 --> 00:48:19,070
And everybody else wants to see you, man, if we can.

632
00:48:19,290 --> 00:48:19,870
I love to see him.

633
00:48:20,250 --> 00:48:22,910
Since we're all agreement on 29th, Jamie could just put that on the agenda.

634
00:48:23,070 --> 00:48:23,830
Yep, we'll see that.

635
00:48:24,010 --> 00:48:24,870
Yeah, I'll just do that for sure.

636
00:48:26,250 --> 00:48:30,170
All right, I motion to title this until the 29th of November.

637
00:48:32,680 --> 00:48:33,000
Second.

638
00:48:34,540 --> 00:48:35,600
Motion by Kathleen.

639
00:48:37,380 --> 00:48:41,260
seconded by Ryan, further discussion?

640
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:51,260
All in favor? I passed unanimously. We are

641
00:48:51,260 --> 00:48:53,240
to 8c.

642
00:49:02,700 --> 00:49:07,680
I want to mention thank you for Ryan for jumping in there. Did you just want

643
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:21,800
Yeah, when Jimmy and I were at the Utah League of cities and towns, there was a group there that was encouraging

644
00:49:22,700 --> 00:49:28,860
different municipalities to display in God we trust at their meetings and to sign that into a resolution.

645
00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:33,820
And so that was their petition and trying to get that in as many cities as they could.

646
00:49:33,820 --> 00:49:38,040
Do they find it? A lot of say so. No, they don't. They just show me like five.

647
00:49:38,660 --> 00:49:43,160
Wow. Ryan, you're the one that edited this? Is that correct?

648
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,880
I am. Copy it and paste it. So the only things I...

649
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:49,980
There's something in the last paragraph just above has to prove

650
00:49:49,980 --> 00:49:52,160
that an adoptive that doesn't make sense to me.

651
00:49:52,840 --> 00:49:54,020
I didn't know what to write.

652
00:49:56,380 --> 00:49:59,360
Because all our other ones are very specific. Do you want to go in there and just kind of throw

653
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:05,900
Yeah, whatever we needed. Let's just do it. Let's have you were robbed do it. Thanks. I think we can make this one not too hard

654
00:50:05,900 --> 00:50:12,340
Unless you want some time to think about it. Well, I was just it was just that the last sentence in there says

655
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:15,920
No, it's a

656
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,360
Hope like any officers of the city council and

657
00:50:20,060 --> 00:50:25,560
At all. Yeah, I don't know what exactly that means. That's okay, right?

658
00:50:25,560 --> 00:50:32,800
No, I don't know. I didn't know like it was if we could just is that Latin is in Latin dude that's fancy

659
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:33,820
Pull up the original

660
00:50:35,120 --> 00:50:38,630
I think the in and out is not supposed to be yeah, that's all right

661
00:50:40,500 --> 00:50:42,930
Who's got Jamie do you have any access on this one?

662
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:50,050
Hold up I just want to make sure because I if I made a copy of it

663
00:50:53,940 --> 00:50:55,140
I don't want you

664
00:50:56,860 --> 00:51:04,420
I really didn't think it needed to be edited, so I didn't make a copy yet, so hold on a minute, I'm sorry Jeanne.

665
00:51:04,600 --> 00:51:09,660
And what's fine, I was so worried about the other way you were working on Owen's copy.

666
00:51:11,600 --> 00:51:13,420
Okay, so I have a copy now.

667
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:21,200
Okay, are you guys not people on this? You're all editors.

668
00:51:21,200 --> 00:51:27,360
Mine says request in it access. Are you in the right drive? Yeah, the one from the me know you're here

669
00:51:28,100 --> 00:51:32,860
I got it. I got a badger going on here. So somebody's not in there right account. Oh, someone has a badger gone

670
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:42,920
Go ahead, dude. Why do you need it? I have no I have no objection with this

671
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,520
I don't know if you are or if you're ever proud.

672
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:46,400
Sorry.

673
00:51:46,540 --> 00:51:48,220
What do you like about it?

674
00:51:48,220 --> 00:51:51,420
We're going to fix some of the tiny things.

675
00:51:51,580 --> 00:51:56,220
Mainly, to me, it's the fact that somebody's trying to make money on this,

676
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:01,220
where we have to go with a design to God we trust, model.

677
00:52:02,460 --> 00:52:07,940
I would like to provide an opportunity for someone just to build something for us.

678
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:11,460
That's the word I was intending.

679
00:52:11,460 --> 00:52:22,460
I just didn't know it. Bill sounded too. We can change it. Well, I just I just don't want to be locked in. We got to go with someone back.

680
00:52:22,640 --> 00:52:30,220
He's just put slamming these together. The people they actually had it just written on a cart.

681
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:37,500
Some of them just put on his paper and just waited it. It sounds like it was just working out that they have a vendor tied to it. We weren't selling any good stuff.

682
00:52:37,500 --> 00:52:39,540
So, the red did you see my human arm?

683
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,100
Is it still just a retargett?

684
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,420
I would love to find someone in town that would make it like...

685
00:52:45,420 --> 00:52:46,120
Yeah, it's on the...

686
00:52:46,120 --> 00:52:47,980
Look at the lathe, like the lathe of Carpenter.

687
00:52:48,240 --> 00:52:49,760
You make a bunch of wood stuff.

688
00:52:51,100 --> 00:52:51,280
You know?

689
00:52:51,440 --> 00:52:55,080
Jim, your art does some fantastic stuff.

690
00:52:55,180 --> 00:52:56,240
That's where I was thinking.

691
00:52:56,460 --> 00:52:58,000
And the apartment does the metal.

692
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,340
And then we have some of the new metal cutters.

693
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:01,380
I don't know.

694
00:53:01,880 --> 00:53:04,360
You know I just think it's like somebody's quarter-time.

695
00:53:04,580 --> 00:53:04,820
Really?

696
00:53:08,480 --> 00:53:12,980
That's what I that's what my email said I didn't know how to put it. He doesn't

697
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:26,660
Oh, he was as a hobby. They went full time and then he got to me a request, so we're

698
00:53:26,660 --> 00:53:31,220
looking for maybe some of local from here. Everybody right? I think it'd be beautiful. I mean,

699
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,700
we got so many walls. We can put some up in here. I mean, it'd be great to have something

700
00:53:34,700 --> 00:53:39,000
up and we'd have to just make sure Chief Men was signed with it, but I'm sure he would.

701
00:53:39,060 --> 00:53:42,120
Yeah, I don't think so. Well, maybe we can do I'm not sure how they like, for example,

702
00:53:42,180 --> 00:53:46,880
the firemen's perv over there. I'm not sure they suck that because of all somehow.

703
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:51,780
Maybe Mark can see what's going on over there, but I think it'd be beautiful as I'm going to say she's

704
00:53:51,780 --> 00:53:59,570
in the local support them as well, but also get some that's a very good price for that.

705
00:54:00,550 --> 00:54:03,490
Would you guys want more, some more water? Metal food doesn't like that,

706
00:54:03,490 --> 00:54:09,650
We'll put some budget aside. I guess I'll be right in the line with just gonna see a lot of this post on the woodwork

707
00:54:12,510 --> 00:54:13,610
Yeah, how do you think John?

708
00:54:18,660 --> 00:54:19,060
Okay

709
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,920
Marches it looked like it they glued their own that fire ones hers up. We're like it's glued on just curious

710
00:54:32,010 --> 00:54:37,270
Yeah, it looks like it's solid man. Yeah, there's some sort of adhesives action

711
00:54:39,830 --> 00:54:43,770
Okay, I think we just touch up those things which looks like Robert did

712
00:54:45,370 --> 00:54:47,310
Nope, okay, who's those cursors in there?

713
00:54:52,110 --> 00:54:59,790
Is there a space supposed to be there or your cursors?

714
00:55:02,910 --> 00:55:04,330
Is that clear? Yeah

715
00:55:05,550 --> 00:55:10,090
Is there anything you want to add to it? Take away. I didn't use comepases from what the document

716
00:55:10,090 --> 00:55:10,350
Ryan.

717
00:55:12,750 --> 00:55:16,730
Is there anything else we can add in there? Robert, do you see no other cities that have anything different in here?

718
00:55:17,750 --> 00:55:19,470
I haven't seen this resolution.

719
00:55:20,070 --> 00:55:21,330
Well, let's have that answer.

720
00:55:22,290 --> 00:55:23,970
Legally, everything I could see that...

721
00:55:24,670 --> 00:55:25,330
It's fine.

722
00:55:25,810 --> 00:55:29,170
The court even just rolled again, you know, a while ago on in the God retrust.

723
00:55:34,540 --> 00:55:37,260
It was written by that group that they met.

724
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:45,560
I only added the bottom end and throughout history because there is need to set it in

725
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:46,200
more in-piece.

726
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:47,940
Okay.

727
00:55:49,930 --> 00:55:53,390
So it's like a movie series, but, um, Rob?

728
00:55:53,870 --> 00:55:53,990
Yes.

729
00:55:54,690 --> 00:56:01,510
Just if there is, like, construction and things going on where we have that listed in there

730
00:56:01,510 --> 00:56:08,290
as at all times, is that kind of, uh, mean something.

731
00:56:08,290 --> 00:56:16,210
the wickedest thing to not drop while someone could say you say you had it all

732
00:56:16,210 --> 00:56:21,290
times and for this past two and a half days you haven't had it it's not a

733
00:56:22,290 --> 00:56:30,370
someone could do that like bring that up yeah I'm

734
00:56:37,470 --> 00:56:38,470
okay I'm okay with it as

735
00:56:38,470 --> 00:56:43,740
unless you guys want to add something to her tweak it a little bit I just don't

736
00:56:43,740 --> 00:56:49,580
wants us to be like some bases. Hey, you're not doing that. Do you want to do it?

737
00:56:50,700 --> 00:56:55,280
I made a slight edit and moved your vote down a little bit so it wasn't split.

738
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:58,200
Oh, I know, here. This was driving me nuts.

739
00:56:59,960 --> 00:57:03,520
This is making people a little comfortable by being on my self.

740
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:11,020
Yeah, they've split a lot of the warehouses where I was like, I just caught strong points

741
00:57:12,960 --> 00:57:16,800
I think basically we're just saying we're going to put on the wall and we support those things so

742
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:21,280
Unless you guys have any answers to this guys all this motion to approve

743
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:27,360
kind of we trust resolution we draft one or our 2023-27

744
00:57:29,220 --> 00:57:31,600
And then do we want to attach a budget to it if you want to use it like that?

745
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,440
All right, let me like 10,000 bucks

746
00:57:37,300 --> 00:57:38,400
Just joking just joking

747
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:46,720
We want the whole wall here now you want a certain budget amount or I mean you could build some between it's gonna be at least

748
00:57:46,720 --> 00:57:54,380
Probably $1,500. I guess we can you know if we can put a contingency on getting goods back on

749
00:57:54,380 --> 00:58:01,300
Not to say yeah, yeah, I like that. I think you're gonna you're gonna get something nice between three hundred two to four

750
00:58:06,940 --> 00:58:19,680
I don't know if you were on this right now or can we just go out and look?

751
00:58:20,180 --> 00:58:21,320
We can just go out and look, I guess.

752
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:22,720
Bring it back.

753
00:58:22,720 --> 00:58:23,960
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

754
00:58:25,260 --> 00:58:27,900
It doesn't mean it means I see it.

755
00:58:28,780 --> 00:58:29,320
I don't want to.

756
00:58:29,740 --> 00:58:30,740
Yeah, right.

757
00:58:30,740 --> 00:58:31,100
I see.

758
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:33,760
It's the ball.

759
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:34,200
Right.

760
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:34,880
Five feet squared.

761
00:58:36,900 --> 00:58:38,240
Um, so we just,

762
00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:40,260
should I scratch that motion to do another one?

763
00:58:44,160 --> 00:58:46,600
I think you could clarify your original motion.

764
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:51,680
I'll just clarify that we approve the R2,

765
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:59,800
2020-23-27, got me trust resolution, and then as a figure out budget and give a good

766
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:05,460
as edited today from a registered recorder, and not Rob.

767
00:59:06,620 --> 00:59:07,580
And Ryan.

768
00:59:10,060 --> 00:59:11,460
And we'll pursue bids.

769
00:59:12,140 --> 00:59:13,280
Is your motion done?

770
00:59:13,620 --> 00:59:14,220
I think so now.

771
00:59:15,290 --> 00:59:16,080
Thank you.

772
00:59:17,120 --> 00:59:18,260
Thank you.

773
00:59:19,370 --> 00:59:19,900
Thank you.

774
00:59:19,900 --> 00:59:25,020
down his motioned, right, his second to any further discussion.

775
00:59:25,180 --> 00:59:27,680
So no budget thrown into that one, like, no money?

776
00:59:27,760 --> 00:59:28,760
No, we're trying to get this back.

777
00:59:28,880 --> 00:59:29,980
All right, that's great.

778
00:59:30,320 --> 00:59:30,720
Thank you, Chair.

779
00:59:33,600 --> 00:59:35,800
Yeah, and this is a resolution we need to roll call, though.

780
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:37,320
Johnson.

781
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:37,960
Yay.

782
00:59:38,700 --> 00:59:39,060
Right.

783
00:59:39,520 --> 00:59:39,640
Yay.

784
00:59:40,240 --> 00:59:40,500
Kathleen.

785
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:40,960
Yay.

786
00:59:41,240 --> 00:59:41,540
Thoroughly.

787
00:59:42,920 --> 00:59:43,220
Do you all?

788
00:59:44,340 --> 00:59:44,520
Very.

789
00:59:45,100 --> 00:59:45,260
Damn.

790
00:59:45,560 --> 00:59:45,880
Yes.

791
00:59:48,300 --> 00:59:49,460
Past, you know, this is.

792
00:59:52,790 --> 00:59:55,430
Chair would be OK if vice chair reaches out to Jim.

793
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:59,370
and why would you want to do that, just triple night, urgent?

794
01:00:04,980 --> 01:00:11,820
That would be very helpful. I have kept my busy section of work.

795
01:00:23,150 --> 01:00:33,150
Right, maybe just getting a

796
01:00:33,150 --> 01:00:36,430
Which is planning and zoning commission

797
01:00:42,280 --> 01:00:42,920
Why

798
01:00:45,400 --> 01:00:49,480
Because depending on what's going on depending on how we

799
01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:57,740
Take care of this we can choose as a council tonight to vote to extend that time from that 30 day

800
01:00:57,740 --> 01:01:00,360
So we have a little bit more that would be nice

801
01:01:08,400 --> 01:01:10,180
That was a little loud, I thought it'd already be the same.

802
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:13,180
Oh my gosh, I kind of planned it.

803
01:01:13,180 --> 01:01:15,840
I would do you think we want to do that a little bit?

804
01:01:16,020 --> 01:01:16,460
I mean, it's not really.

805
01:01:16,460 --> 01:01:18,600
I was worried about how people don't even have a set of things.

806
01:01:18,820 --> 01:01:21,200
We have one, but I'll give you the rest of the month.

807
01:01:21,500 --> 01:01:23,380
And what is the date that we have to have this,

808
01:01:23,560 --> 01:01:25,640
and we gave a 30-day time window, right?

809
01:01:25,840 --> 01:01:27,100
There's two of my names available.

810
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:29,760
I mean, you know, a home-based business?

811
01:01:30,100 --> 01:01:34,920
No, 30-day time period for vacancy on planning commission.

812
01:01:35,100 --> 01:01:36,280
Yes, you have 30 days.

813
01:01:36,280 --> 01:01:44,520
what was the date that it was oh right she resigned of it 20 like the last I think it's

814
01:01:44,520 --> 01:01:53,380
two of my days ago how long may see you know the 20th or the 23rd that's what I'm asking

815
01:01:55,040 --> 01:02:01,480
23rd that sounds about right yeah let's just say that was extended to the 29th that'd be great

816
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:07,660
Yeah, it's about going to be done. Yeah, yeah, do you okay if we just extend to the 29th on this one?

817
01:02:08,280 --> 01:02:12,800
We're still going with the plan of interviewing Saturday, but we have to have the decision by the 29th, right?

818
01:02:13,100 --> 01:02:13,800
Is that to be clear?

819
01:02:15,360 --> 01:02:15,720
Right

820
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:19,800
For a meeting on the 29th, as long as we can vote.

821
01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:27,000
I still want to throw out that we just if you're Dan could send an email to everyone else making sure they're all okay and

822
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:32,080
And because when she announced it, someone said, oh, I got three years of this.

823
01:02:32,500 --> 01:02:36,300
I just want to make sure they know they don't have to stay if one of them wants to get off of it.

824
01:02:36,380 --> 01:02:37,760
Would you want me to call Jim and talk to him?

825
01:02:37,880 --> 01:02:41,120
Yeah, just to engage if anyone else wants to get off of it.

826
01:02:41,140 --> 01:02:43,960
It'd be a good time to kind of know that too, because I don't really do it at the same time.

827
01:02:45,020 --> 01:02:45,660
Okay, so...

828
01:02:46,080 --> 01:02:47,540
I don't want to pass it to them.

829
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:49,020
Yeah, so we need to know.

830
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:51,820
So, transition's key.

831
01:02:51,940 --> 01:02:55,460
I know my point is not wanting to be a point, but I learned that.

832
01:02:55,460 --> 01:03:25,020
So when you're when you're talking about that. Yeah, that would be in February, exactly. Yeah. Yeah. So we're just getting them to let us know if they're going to proceed or not, but they want to continue. Okay. Yeah, that makes sense to fulfill the full term. Yeah. Just because it's now the time to gauge that. Okay. And maybe you guys can mess with me. Let me know if you want to talk to your people or why not. I've talked to my

833
01:03:25,020 --> 01:03:31,380
Okay, he's committed to the end of this. Okay, good enough. Okay. I will

834
01:03:31,380 --> 01:03:35,820
I usually try to come on at least once a week. Okay, cool.

835
01:03:41,940 --> 01:03:46,700
Tell you what I'm talking about. I'm John. So do you want a motion that we

836
01:03:46,700 --> 01:03:52,820
extend? Oh, yes. A motion to extend the deadline for filling the

837
01:04:00,140 --> 01:04:05,520
Okay, so motion by Ryan seconded by Dan for their discussion.

838
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:05,800
All

839
01:04:09,130 --> 01:04:14,810
in favor, I don't think this has to be a real call, all in favor.

840
01:04:15,330 --> 01:04:15,450
Hi.

841
01:04:16,190 --> 01:04:16,770
Hi.

842
01:04:17,850 --> 01:04:17,930
Hi.

843
01:04:19,270 --> 01:04:19,850
Kathleen.

844
01:04:20,230 --> 01:04:21,170
I said I.

845
01:04:21,290 --> 01:04:21,710
Sorry.

846
01:04:21,710 --> 01:04:22,970
I didn't hear.

847
01:04:23,190 --> 01:04:23,550
Sorry.

848
01:04:24,210 --> 01:04:25,390
I passed unanimously.

849
01:04:26,310 --> 01:04:27,710
Just really quick going that same way.

850
01:04:27,910 --> 01:04:28,010
Yeah.

851
01:04:28,330 --> 01:04:30,370
It was going to bite Hannah today and for God's sake,

852
01:04:30,370 --> 01:04:32,870
but I'd love to have her come and do that certificate

853
01:04:32,870 --> 01:04:33,590
if we talk to her.

854
01:04:33,590 --> 01:04:35,230
Oh, that's a really thoughtful way to do that.

855
01:04:35,250 --> 01:04:37,450
We started our meeting and we just presented it the minute.

856
01:04:38,030 --> 01:04:40,370
Do you want to do a frame and stuff a little budget together, right?

857
01:04:40,450 --> 01:04:40,570
Yeah.

858
01:04:40,910 --> 01:04:42,130
It won't cost you much.

859
01:04:42,170 --> 01:04:45,010
No, I think it's a nice gesture for, you know,

860
01:04:45,850 --> 01:04:48,150
decision for this first year for what they put into it.

861
01:04:48,150 --> 01:04:49,130
They put in more work.

862
01:04:49,350 --> 01:04:51,870
The ones that are there later will have a lot of fun

863
01:04:51,870 --> 01:04:55,970
Because it's just people applying not all the grind. Yeah, I think that would be okay

864
01:04:55,970 --> 01:05:01,630
I mean if you guys want to put a little budget together like $10 frame or 20 on the okay or something like that because I think it just shows

865
01:05:02,890 --> 01:05:05,390
That we really create and I think it would be good to maybe even

866
01:05:06,470 --> 01:05:07,590
Inviter on the 29

867
01:05:16,980 --> 01:05:22,320
If she can't come to 20 I'd like still do like December the first Wednesday, so let's see if I can get do want to talk to Ryan or

868
01:05:22,320 --> 01:05:22,980
Do you want one of us?

869
01:05:23,400 --> 01:05:24,260
Okay, there we go.

870
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:24,980
We'd love to talk to her.

871
01:05:25,800 --> 01:05:30,450
First of all, where would you think that follows?

872
01:05:30,870 --> 01:05:30,970
Sure.

873
01:05:31,530 --> 01:05:36,190
Like, after legal training, it's not.

874
01:05:37,430 --> 01:05:38,890
There's a thing that our colleagues were.

875
01:05:39,290 --> 01:05:43,590
It could just do like before legal training, that way she can come and she can make a

876
01:05:43,590 --> 01:05:44,090
Chinese suit.

877
01:05:45,050 --> 01:05:46,110
Would that be a fuller?

878
01:05:47,070 --> 01:05:47,470
It could do with fall under presentation.

879
01:05:47,570 --> 01:05:48,690
Like, when you have something, you can get the baby in the head.

880
01:05:48,690 --> 01:05:50,570
It could do with fall under presentation.

881
01:05:50,810 --> 01:05:51,010
Okay.

882
01:05:51,350 --> 01:05:52,190
And that's usually after.

883
01:05:52,190 --> 01:05:58,110
that's usually one of the first things that we do on action. I can go back to

884
01:06:00,230 --> 01:06:06,030
and yeah all right so I'll first find out the date in the end of jade

885
01:06:06,030 --> 01:06:11,350
400 on the agenda. Okay. She's not available next time meeting or

886
01:06:11,350 --> 01:06:12,250
shoot for the.

887
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:26,180
Any other discussion on that one? We are to

888
01:06:26,180 --> 01:06:32,160
AT our home-based business ordinance. Rob's got that back to us.

889
01:06:36,270 --> 01:06:38,130
I'm going to start out right out.

890
01:06:38,330 --> 01:06:45,570
The get-go. There's three C's and occupations. I saw that. Yeah, yeah. I saw the correction

891
01:06:45,570 --> 01:06:51,770
happened right before we looked at it. I was like, good job, Rob. I still have my original keyboard.

892
01:06:57,710 --> 01:07:00,750
I just was making notes as I was going to call.

893
01:07:02,410 --> 01:07:07,030
And as I edited this, I inserted some things to try to capture various thoughts.

894
01:07:07,510 --> 01:07:11,310
I already have some suggestions for the council, like things to highlight, see whether

895
01:07:11,310 --> 01:07:12,510
you want to go that direction or not.

896
01:07:13,210 --> 01:07:18,810
I also had to leave you guys, I tried to take a lot from what I looked at, your thing and

897
01:07:18,810 --> 01:07:19,750
took a lot out of that.

898
01:07:19,750 --> 01:07:25,450
That was a lot of what I think the council wanted and then the whole tier one two thing I kind of just wrote based on the discussion

899
01:07:25,450 --> 01:07:30,050
If I got something wrong, I apologize wasn't my intent to not catch the council's direction. I just

900
01:07:30,890 --> 01:07:32,170
Try to get it from what we have

901
01:07:34,090 --> 01:07:38,470
Okay, but I have a few things I want to highlight for you to look with consider as well as we go through all right

902
01:07:39,350 --> 01:07:43,130
I'm just going to make a recommendation here on the

903
01:07:45,270 --> 01:07:46,770
Second whereas in here

904
01:07:47,950 --> 01:07:54,470
towards the end where it says residential character wondering if it fits better as rural

905
01:07:54,470 --> 01:07:55,250
character.

906
01:07:55,870 --> 01:07:57,070
This is a residential character.

907
01:08:01,250 --> 01:08:02,470
Can you see where that is?

908
01:08:03,450 --> 01:08:04,330
Yep, I do.

909
01:08:06,610 --> 01:08:07,790
That's the suggestion.

910
01:08:13,880 --> 01:08:15,640
I mean, we used it up above.

911
01:08:16,080 --> 01:08:17,260
I'm just wondering if the

912
01:08:20,300 --> 01:08:24,380
rural character of the community is a residential character of the

913
01:08:24,380 --> 01:08:24,760
community.

914
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:34,080
Do you have a role of character of the community and residential look of the neighborhood

915
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:35,400
to cover falls?

916
01:08:36,700 --> 01:08:39,140
You could do that, that sounds good.

917
01:08:40,140 --> 01:08:43,580
Oral character of the community and residential.

918
01:08:44,120 --> 01:08:48,340
Maybe it's a parent's not a well-cooked person, but the neighborhood.

919
01:08:48,340 --> 01:08:53,000
parents, the neighborhood. So those two,

920
01:08:57,100 --> 01:08:58,380
you know, that sounds good.

921
01:08:59,920 --> 01:09:03,420
Let me jump back and work with you guys. Do

922
01:09:10,020 --> 01:09:11,160
you want to start reading through each

923
01:09:11,160 --> 01:09:17,060
paragraph? Because I will have 10 pages versus 50. No, no. Unless somebody has something else

924
01:09:17,060 --> 01:09:25,980
or a prop has anything, I can tell you where I'm going to go next. Because he has a comment.

925
01:09:25,980 --> 01:09:27,220
If so, do you want me to just go?

926
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:29,900
Well, Chair, you can take it, I guess.

927
01:09:31,020 --> 01:09:33,040
Or do you want me to go pair of rough, pair of rough?

928
01:09:34,020 --> 01:09:36,420
Okay, so we're down there.

929
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:41,140
I don't have anything until, personally, for me until section one,

930
01:09:41,380 --> 01:09:44,300
I don't have anything there, but Zimmy, I have the section one right there in page one.

931
01:09:44,880 --> 01:09:46,120
It's free reading, but

932
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:49,360
yes, we have.

933
01:09:49,940 --> 01:09:51,980
I have a client set. I have time to go through.

934
01:09:52,460 --> 01:09:53,640
I apologize for getting it to you.

935
01:09:53,880 --> 01:09:57,480
No, you were asked to rewrite a whole thing again.

936
01:09:57,940 --> 01:10:00,640
Yeah, I'm not criticising the matter.

937
01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:02,140
Did we get a second like modest?

938
01:10:03,060 --> 01:10:04,980
What definition one modest was?

939
01:10:06,140 --> 01:10:07,280
I can't remember if we did it.

940
01:10:07,400 --> 01:10:08,560
We talked briefly, Mark.

941
01:10:09,060 --> 01:10:12,040
There was comments about it being small versus modest.

942
01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:14,260
I don't know why.

943
01:10:14,500 --> 01:10:16,740
Did we ever decide, we just talked about that.

944
01:10:16,800 --> 01:10:19,500
I think that was when we just stayed for a later day, which is the day.

945
01:10:19,720 --> 01:10:22,320
So, do you guys want any different sections?

946
01:10:22,500 --> 01:10:22,680
Oh, section or even?

947
01:10:23,220 --> 01:10:23,860
Section one.

948
01:10:23,860 --> 01:10:26,700
Do you guys want to worry anything else like what's your risk?

949
01:10:28,260 --> 01:10:31,740
Just season like I just think there's we can you guys won't leave the word there

950
01:10:31,740 --> 01:10:36,100
I know we kind of got caught up on that one. I think for a minute like a whole month ago probably

951
01:10:36,100 --> 01:10:41,280
I think the way you at least the proposal is it's defined

952
01:10:41,280 --> 01:10:47,980
Moduses not defined pretty specifically as below with the two levels of businesses meaning that's

953
01:10:47,980 --> 01:10:52,000
That's what modest now means is what you're allowing in this ordinance

954
01:10:52,000 --> 01:10:55,460
But if you want to redefine that, it's certainly up to the council.

955
01:11:10,580 --> 01:11:11,400
We'll keep it.

956
01:11:11,660 --> 01:11:12,380
You guys want modest?

957
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:13,220
I'm good with it.

958
01:11:13,220 --> 01:11:14,720
Yeah, based on what Rob says, and that's it.

959
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:15,440
Okay.

960
01:11:16,640 --> 01:11:18,780
Kathleen, John, I'm good with leader.

961
01:11:28,190 --> 01:11:28,970
Good, moving on.

962
01:11:31,120 --> 01:11:31,480
Okay.

963
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:33,040
We'll move on the rest up.

964
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:34,740
Anything else on the paragraph section one, guys?

965
01:11:35,860 --> 01:11:36,120
And, guys?

966
01:11:36,740 --> 01:11:37,080
Nope.

967
01:11:37,300 --> 01:11:39,420
I want to make sure it remains it's a dental.

968
01:11:39,920 --> 01:11:40,280
Yep.

969
01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:42,100
Yep, we got that in there.

970
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:48,460
That's not a virtually affecting neighborhood properties, public health, safety, or the well-being of our community.

971
01:11:49,160 --> 01:11:53,640
Number two daycare, I think we got that one pretty wrapped up.

972
01:11:56,510 --> 01:11:59,950
The only new, there's three new additions to the definitions.

973
01:12:00,590 --> 01:12:00,750
Okay.

974
01:12:01,230 --> 01:12:02,510
Home occupation.

975
01:12:04,150 --> 01:12:06,490
We just have one definition of home occupation.

976
01:12:06,850 --> 01:12:07,910
I split that into two.

977
01:12:08,470 --> 01:12:08,650
Okay.

978
01:12:08,930 --> 01:12:09,870
So we have home occupation.

979
01:12:09,870 --> 01:12:15,270
Home Occupation is the, what we call the tier one, the no impact, and I added a little

980
01:12:15,270 --> 01:12:18,190
sentence there which I'm going to highlight.

981
01:12:19,170 --> 01:12:22,870
Home Occupations have no or minimal off-site impacts beyond that of primer residential

982
01:12:22,870 --> 01:12:23,330
use.

983
01:12:24,010 --> 01:12:28,430
No occupations for either to find in 9.1, so 20 down to the section that talks about it.

984
01:12:29,370 --> 01:12:34,430
So when you have just one definition, I added this thing, Home Occupation is the low impact

985
01:12:34,430 --> 01:12:42,810
one and a copy of the definition basically home-based business except a point out that this is the one that has

986
01:12:43,870 --> 01:12:47,250
Some off-site impacts as we define that later on

987
01:12:47,250 --> 01:12:49,650
Correct. That's where you have the additional employees

988
01:12:54,710 --> 01:12:57,430
Yeah, right. So his business would be a home occupation

989
01:12:58,350 --> 01:13:02,850
Someone who has a customer coming to the site would be a home-based business

990
01:13:03,690 --> 01:13:07,450
And then the other definition was a residential business, which is just now the catch all

991
01:13:07,450 --> 01:13:10,290
term for everything we're talking about throughout.

992
01:13:10,550 --> 01:13:15,650
It's either home occupation or home-based business, that's the big heading.

993
01:13:15,990 --> 01:13:20,350
So when we talk about general regulations, we can regulate residential businesses, means

994
01:13:20,350 --> 01:13:24,390
either of those two things, and then there are specific regulations for home occupations

995
01:13:24,390 --> 01:13:25,630
and home-based businesses.

996
01:13:25,930 --> 01:13:26,330
I like that.

997
01:13:27,050 --> 01:13:32,670
Because our residential ordinance, we are one ordinance we've got actually has as permitted

998
01:13:32,670 --> 01:13:36,690
uses home occupations as permitted by the city's ordinance and home-based

999
01:13:36,690 --> 01:13:41,110
businesses permitted by the city's ordinance. Ty's right back into that now.

1000
01:13:41,710 --> 01:13:52,210
I was wondering if your references to sections kept me reading the document so I

1001
01:13:52,210 --> 01:13:57,770
wanted to hear what was going to be said in section 9 so. Spoilers. I know I know.

1002
01:13:57,770 --> 01:13:58,330
There he is.

1003
01:13:58,450 --> 01:13:59,590
Do I have a dunk on?

1004
01:14:00,090 --> 01:14:03,590
Do you guys want to kick all the way down there or do you want to just, we can move down?

1005
01:14:03,670 --> 01:14:09,750
Real quick on these, just for discussion, Erda had their definitions back up in a court.

1006
01:14:10,770 --> 01:14:16,750
This is almost identical but what they further said is the home-based occupation can only

1007
01:14:16,750 --> 01:14:22,790
be inside the home, not in any accessory structures, any yard or any in the home business could

1008
01:14:22,790 --> 01:14:25,250
be the one that sprawled out through buildings and that.

1009
01:14:25,250 --> 01:14:27,930
Do we want to do that because we don't define it that

1010
01:14:29,390 --> 01:14:29,910
There's someone

1011
01:14:31,230 --> 01:14:34,110
So it says how much you can kick that's up

1012
01:14:34,110 --> 01:14:39,230
Just refresh it. You're okay. We got kicked out. Yeah, we got kicked out

1013
01:14:40,410 --> 01:14:45,490
It's not being a righteous reporter right now

1014
01:14:52,030 --> 01:14:53,750
So Ryan we restate that

1015
01:14:54,730 --> 01:14:57,710
So you're basically saying let me read it to you yeah

1016
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:31,070
We, but they turn our home-based business is entirely within the dwelling or an accessory structure on the premises. The home occupation is only within the dwelling. So the home occupation is the little, it's only in the dwelling, it's not impacting. You know, like our front of the camera, the yards and everything. So I don't know if we want to, like, like, this is this impacts that are things because they're using their storage or using their buildings or using their parking right for employees.

1017
01:15:31,070 --> 01:15:35,530
Well, that's why we kind of zoomed on home-based businesses and doing that, like those definitions, but

1018
01:15:36,290 --> 01:15:40,470
We could define it a little more if that's what you guys want. I'd see no problem doing that

1019
01:15:41,430 --> 01:15:46,410
Or is a little more broad and silly to kind of go in we read the entire document, right?

1020
01:15:48,130 --> 01:15:48,930
Yes, briefly

1021
01:15:48,930 --> 01:15:55,050
I think Rob did find a

1022
01:15:55,050 --> 01:15:59,910
of elaborating what you're actually describing in the

1023
01:15:59,910 --> 01:16:05,810
the verbites down below but okay that works if it's in the 9th way one that is

1024
01:16:05,810 --> 01:16:10,110
where he's sitting there and saying that in a home occupation there's only

1025
01:16:10,110 --> 01:16:15,510
going to be allowed at most one employee I mean that right there limits

1026
01:16:17,430 --> 01:16:22,450
that portion of that yeah let me read the whole thing for the home

1027
01:16:22,450 --> 01:16:26,970
Some occupations any use from entirely within a dwelling carried on by a person residing

1028
01:16:26,970 --> 01:16:30,750
in the dwelling and no more than one employee outside of the dwelling, who worked inside

1029
01:16:30,750 --> 01:16:31,250
the dwelling.

1030
01:16:32,370 --> 01:16:38,210
And then it goes into credence and animal secondary use, which is, and then a whole business is

1031
01:16:39,230 --> 01:16:45,110
a greater scale of home occupations for secondary, but is in dwelling an accessory structure or

1032
01:16:45,110 --> 01:16:45,790
on the premises.

1033
01:16:46,570 --> 01:16:48,010
They just changed us before you said?

1034
01:16:48,330 --> 01:16:52,350
No, they were having a discussion to see if they wanted to change it.

1035
01:16:52,350 --> 01:16:53,110
They didn't vote to change.

1036
01:16:53,550 --> 01:16:55,810
Because they had an applicant for a commission.

1037
01:16:56,110 --> 01:16:58,110
How about we have it for a time-sake?

1038
01:16:58,110 --> 01:16:59,910
We just kind of keep that in mind,

1039
01:16:59,970 --> 01:17:00,870
and we get that in 9.1.

1040
01:17:01,030 --> 01:17:02,230
It is not what you're thinking about.

1041
01:17:02,510 --> 01:17:03,070
But that'd be OK.

1042
01:17:03,850 --> 01:17:03,990
OK.

1043
01:17:06,480 --> 01:17:07,940
I think it's worth it pretty good already.

1044
01:17:07,940 --> 01:17:09,820
I mean, Rob, we could just put some good time in here.

1045
01:17:09,860 --> 01:17:10,700
But we can review it again.

1046
01:17:11,820 --> 01:17:14,780
2.4 is new.

1047
01:17:15,500 --> 01:17:15,820
Combining.

1048
01:17:16,500 --> 01:17:17,840
So it's easier to reference.

1049
01:17:18,080 --> 01:17:18,400
Correct.

1050
01:17:18,780 --> 01:17:19,100
2.5.

1051
01:17:21,660 --> 01:17:23,380
2.6 with the same definitions

1052
01:17:23,380 --> 01:17:28,240
questions from before yeah, okay, three rights and responsibilities.

1053
01:17:30,120 --> 01:17:33,100
Raging engagement business, we'll go, yes, we have that, okay.

1054
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:35,480
Can we offer you guys have anything on here?

1055
01:17:35,840 --> 01:17:37,060
2.3.

1056
01:17:38,560 --> 01:17:39,100
2.3?

1057
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:40,600
I thought we, yeah, we just did that one.

1058
01:17:40,620 --> 01:17:45,180
Well, the occupation we did, because like this, this is cemetery, right, home-based business

1059
01:17:45,180 --> 01:17:47,500
have, or have the potential, have, or have.

1060
01:17:47,840 --> 01:17:53,360
Home-based businesses have, or have, or have the potential, or have the potential.

1061
01:17:53,360 --> 01:18:00,600
I could hear a better way of saying it's okay, okay, okay, home basis is have or have the potential for material offsite impact

1062
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:01,280
Shouldn't that be?

1063
01:18:01,520 --> 01:18:03,020
I'm going to use the loan.

1064
01:18:03,300 --> 01:18:04,100
You could compliment it all.

1065
01:18:04,480 --> 01:18:08,940
It's almost like when you have those instructions where it's like that and that or whatever, two words.

1066
01:18:09,620 --> 01:18:10,920
We could comment that off.

1067
01:18:11,080 --> 01:18:15,120
So they have the potential to have material of my impacts.

1068
01:18:15,540 --> 01:18:20,020
It's either those that we know actually have the offsite impacts or

1069
01:18:20,020 --> 01:18:24,200
They have the potential for it, so we're regulating them as a home-based business.

1070
01:18:24,620 --> 01:18:29,220
Which is what we're saying, once you go over one employee, we will assume that you have

1071
01:18:29,220 --> 01:18:32,920
the potential for the outside impact, so that's why we're holding you to this higher standard.

1072
01:18:33,320 --> 01:18:35,800
Okay, I'm trying to understand what you're going to have.

1073
01:18:36,200 --> 01:18:39,080
The comments make it sound better, so that's fine.

1074
01:18:39,600 --> 01:18:41,960
Yeah, I just wonder if I can get to know them.

1075
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:45,560
Yeah, I'm trying to distinguish the home occupations of the ones that don't impact anyone else.

1076
01:18:45,940 --> 01:18:49,180
Home-based businesses can and or do.

1077
01:18:49,180 --> 01:18:56,240
Okay. Okay. Thank you Kathleen. We're going on to 3.1.

1078
01:18:56,320 --> 01:18:58,260
2.5. Oh you got 2.5? Okay.

1079
01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:06,260
As I was thinking through this reading the whole thing, it seems like we shouldn't instruct

1080
01:19:09,120 --> 01:19:13,760
exempt, you know, instruction from the registration requirement even because it's free.

1081
01:19:13,760 --> 01:19:20,320
Probably because how do we know how many vehicles are in town? How do we how do we deal with complaints and how would you how do we address issues that make

1082
01:19:21,220 --> 01:19:24,700
We can easily tell the people. Hey, they're registered. They're authorized

1083
01:19:28,800 --> 01:19:32,760
That's so you want to basically put some under it would only be that requirement nothing else

1084
01:19:34,220 --> 01:19:35,320
I'm saying no

1085
01:19:36,300 --> 01:19:37,840
Home schoolers in this community

1086
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:39,800
I'm gonna say no

1087
01:19:54,640 --> 01:19:59,840
I think some people want their stuff private, but like John's coming from my guessing rights that we were coming from.

1088
01:20:00,420 --> 01:20:00,860
Absolutely.

1089
01:20:00,860 --> 01:20:05,700
Maybe we can exclude the home school or you know, make it put some other

1090
01:20:06,360 --> 01:20:11,040
sentences like home instructions excluded some people on that very private, I think

1091
01:20:12,920 --> 01:20:18,040
Would you the preschools are already regulated in a different way. I'll tell you what I was thinking

1092
01:20:18,040 --> 01:20:23,980
If it's not coming, but we had one applicant talking about building a house for the basketball court and bringing in training for

1093
01:20:23,980 --> 01:20:26,360
Profit basketball training out of his building

1094
01:20:27,040 --> 01:20:31,120
That seems to me it would be exempt because I'm instructing basketball at

1095
01:20:31,120 --> 01:20:36,960
my home in home instruction. You could have 10 to 20 people there on a high cost

1096
01:20:36,960 --> 01:20:42,120
AU basketball league training seems like that should be something we should be

1097
01:20:42,120 --> 01:20:45,900
aware of for that impact. Well one thing we discussed multiple times and we're

1098
01:20:45,900 --> 01:20:48,540
going to get down to it and just the traffic that even people came in and I

1099
01:20:48,540 --> 01:20:52,440
thought discussed right. So do you want to like tie it to how much

1100
01:20:52,440 --> 01:20:58,020
traffic there or other things too or do I just kind of I kind of agree with John

1101
01:20:58,020 --> 01:21:01,520
I think they'll they're probably like they want to do homes going or whatever

1102
01:21:01,520 --> 01:21:06,320
or but I'm just thinking like maybe like are you basically not for profit but

1103
01:21:06,320 --> 01:21:10,520
if you're running an AU best little training camp out of your home that's not

1104
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:13,900
saying the profit you could have dozens of people come in their day not staying

1105
01:21:14,560 --> 01:21:18,620
traffic gets off they stay for a couple hours they leave that would be ideal to

1106
01:21:18,620 --> 01:21:19,460
But use one register.

1107
01:21:19,720 --> 01:21:20,520
Sales, right?

1108
01:21:20,660 --> 01:21:24,980
Because the registration gives their business license or their self-sex identity.

1109
01:21:25,120 --> 01:21:27,120
So these things have some things, but just put down register?

1110
01:21:27,440 --> 01:21:31,480
Yeah, and I'm not saying that we went about this the right way, due to the infrastructure

1111
01:21:31,480 --> 01:21:33,140
because we have a need for it, right?

1112
01:21:33,280 --> 01:21:33,420
Correct.

1113
01:21:33,560 --> 01:21:33,840
Here we do.

1114
01:21:34,280 --> 01:21:34,440
Yes.

1115
01:21:35,240 --> 01:21:36,260
Because we have so many people.

1116
01:21:36,260 --> 01:21:37,800
And we've got a lot of feedback from people to all of us.

1117
01:21:37,940 --> 01:21:40,140
So many town, you don't want to punish them.

1118
01:21:40,240 --> 01:21:41,560
You don't want to put them through a lot of regulations.

1119
01:21:41,740 --> 01:21:46,480
So all I'm specifically saying is, having them register, so when someone calls up and says

1120
01:21:46,480 --> 01:21:48,500
Because there's this impact in my neighborhood, what are you doing about?

1121
01:21:48,960 --> 01:21:51,120
We can say they're registering business, they're authorizing.

1122
01:21:56,080 --> 01:21:57,120
Just something to think about.

1123
01:21:57,300 --> 01:22:02,020
I'm making note, we can go down further, but when you think of the variety of home-based

1124
01:22:03,100 --> 01:22:07,320
instructional businesses, it could be more than our rural businesses.

1125
01:22:07,340 --> 01:22:11,600
It could be very big for profit, things taking place.

1126
01:22:13,910 --> 01:22:14,990
And I guess I'll go back to here.

1127
01:22:15,170 --> 01:22:16,670
So it takes me to take three complaints.

1128
01:22:16,910 --> 01:22:20,870
It takes you to take three complaints anyway, they even address it.

1129
01:22:20,870 --> 01:22:25,030
Yeah, it takes a lot of complaints. Right when you put a note on this, something I thought of is

1130
01:22:25,030 --> 01:22:29,190
if I had no property, I'd take a pit and have a gun range and I'd do it in home shooting instruction

1131
01:22:30,530 --> 01:22:35,270
because we're going to be shooting guns in the city, right? We've talked about that because of the farm

1132
01:22:35,690 --> 01:22:40,770
needs and all that kind of stuff. I know a person in West Valley that has a gun range inside their

1133
01:22:40,770 --> 01:22:45,510
basement in their house. Yes, that's what I'm talking about. Do you think nobody else knows they have in

1134
01:22:45,510 --> 01:22:49,190
there? Well, let's let's let's not come back this. Let's just vote on some who wants a

1135
01:22:49,190 --> 01:22:51,550
registration on the businesses on that one, the home

1136
01:22:51,550 --> 01:22:55,870
structure, right? It's also gear Yay? Well, I'm with you

1137
01:22:55,870 --> 01:22:59,490
guys on the schools and all that, the non like, education is

1138
01:22:59,490 --> 01:23:01,430
different than should we put down instruction?

1139
01:23:05,080 --> 01:23:06,680
I mean, I

1140
01:23:06,680 --> 01:23:09,280
talked to a person I had a dance studio and they said they

1141
01:23:09,280 --> 01:23:12,620
got a couple calls, you know, bring people on so and I think

1142
01:23:12,620 --> 01:23:17,180
this would calm some nerves. So I see the good and maybe

1143
01:23:17,180 --> 01:23:22,540
possibly maybe the negativity from it, but I think it may just exclude education,

1144
01:23:23,820 --> 01:23:27,880
personal home education, whatever, but we can, you know, if you guys want to

1145
01:23:27,880 --> 01:23:32,560
register, I mean, we can all that one over a little bit and come back if you

1146
01:23:32,560 --> 01:23:37,080
guys don't want to decide now or vote. It's come back and see it for you. Okay, we need

1147
01:23:37,540 --> 01:23:40,140
to be thinking about it because we've been thinking of the long lines of

1148
01:23:40,140 --> 01:23:45,980
education, horse riding, things that we don't want to cause issues with those youth.

1149
01:23:45,980 --> 01:23:54,680
But when we add in any kind of adult instruction course, gosh, I could make a lot of money,

1150
01:23:54,940 --> 01:23:59,860
different stuff, bring a bunch of people, instruct them in things, charge them a bunch of money.

1151
01:24:00,500 --> 01:24:00,700
Okay.

1152
01:24:01,640 --> 01:24:04,760
Okay, let's go down to 2.6.

1153
01:24:05,900 --> 01:24:08,380
I think that one's pretty good.

1154
01:24:10,540 --> 01:24:11,000
I don't have any.

1155
01:24:12,500 --> 01:24:17,280
Okay. Do all this interrupt us if you want section 3, 3.1.

1156
01:24:17,940 --> 01:24:22,540
It's 6, 2.6, it's in the same thing as 2.5.

1157
01:24:28,600 --> 01:24:31,500
Tradition or not. I mean the both look the same to me.

1158
01:24:31,740 --> 01:24:34,280
So whatever we would do with one, we have to do with the other.

1159
01:24:34,700 --> 01:24:34,960
Okay.

1160
01:24:38,680 --> 01:24:40,760
We'll end down to 3.1.

1161
01:24:44,940 --> 01:24:46,800
Anything there? No. 3.2.

1162
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:46,860
2,

1163
01:24:49,500 --> 01:24:50,800
3.3,

1164
01:24:52,890 --> 01:25:03,030
4, I know right, number 4, and then I think Rob has a non 4.1 with Ryan's.

1165
01:25:03,330 --> 01:25:08,930
So this is if you're going to change the exemption part, this is where I would either

1166
01:25:08,930 --> 01:25:14,230
here or in the regulations 4, so I was going to make a move on,

1167
01:25:16,440 --> 01:25:17,540
come back to it.

1168
01:25:17,540 --> 01:25:18,220
Okay, let's do that.

1169
01:25:18,360 --> 01:25:21,420
Let's support point two, four points three, four, four,

1170
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:23,200
and four, five, and I think-

1171
01:25:23,200 --> 01:25:24,560
Five, I highlighted.

1172
01:25:25,020 --> 01:25:26,420
I wasn't sharing this with intentional amount,

1173
01:25:26,660 --> 01:25:28,020
so I just wanted to state law,

1174
01:25:28,240 --> 01:25:30,180
when it talks about my operate business talks about

1175
01:25:30,180 --> 01:25:32,860
occasionally operated by 18 under 18.

1176
01:25:33,620 --> 01:25:35,720
Did you want the occasionally there or not?

1177
01:25:36,380 --> 01:25:38,780
I'm just raising it for what state law says.

1178
01:25:39,080 --> 01:25:40,340
You can just say if you're under 18

1179
01:25:40,340 --> 01:25:42,220
operating business, you don't care, and that's fine.

1180
01:25:42,420 --> 01:25:42,700
Okay.

1181
01:25:55,350 --> 01:25:56,290
I think that's right,

1182
01:25:56,390 --> 01:25:57,670
because the state's trying to not prevent

1183
01:25:57,670 --> 01:25:59,190
and lemonade stands, things like that,

1184
01:25:59,310 --> 01:26:01,990
versus a parent gets their kid to open the business

1185
01:26:01,990 --> 01:26:03,050
and they run it every day.

1186
01:26:09,420 --> 01:26:10,720
That's where they got into trouble.

1187
01:26:10,880 --> 01:26:13,720
It was a lemonade loss and stuff, a lemonade stand.

1188
01:26:14,200 --> 01:26:16,060
But this is just, this is the council's,

1189
01:26:16,160 --> 01:26:18,900
I just wasn't sure if that was either way.

1190
01:26:21,510 --> 01:26:24,470
Do we have to define, do we have to define the occasional, right?

1191
01:26:25,290 --> 01:26:25,550
No.

1192
01:26:25,850 --> 01:26:27,830
No, we either choose to do an occasion next day,

1193
01:26:27,910 --> 01:26:30,750
let's say, or we don't care if they're occasional or not.

1194
01:26:31,610 --> 01:26:32,210
That's the question.

1195
01:26:32,390 --> 01:26:34,110
Do you care about businesses operated by?

1196
01:26:34,110 --> 01:26:43,750
I just don't know from Kathleen. I think I know from John. I think I think it's fine. Yeah, it's three. Okay, everyone. Section five.

1197
01:26:45,570 --> 01:26:51,470
And we'll just go through paragraph. These are ones that are not permitted to be operated as a residential business.

1198
01:26:55,150 --> 01:26:56,110
One. Okay.

1199
01:27:04,110 --> 01:27:06,050
Rob took out some of my verbiage last time.

1200
01:27:07,390 --> 01:27:08,150
What's up with that one?

1201
01:27:08,570 --> 01:27:09,010
5-1.

1202
01:27:09,810 --> 01:27:13,470
Rob, can you just define what?

1203
01:27:14,190 --> 01:27:17,230
I understand it illegal, but you'll list it.

1204
01:27:18,070 --> 01:27:21,450
Is that saying the same thing as one of the other tanks farther down?

1205
01:27:22,050 --> 01:27:25,190
I don't know which is 5.6.

1206
01:27:27,230 --> 01:27:28,550
Or is there a difference?

1207
01:27:28,790 --> 01:27:29,790
It's not really a difference.

1208
01:27:29,790 --> 01:27:37,170
I took this from the Cedar 4-1 that you pointed me to, but I don't know that it matters to you

1209
01:27:37,170 --> 01:27:40,970
and say this because it's an illegal business, it's illegal anyway, but there really isn't a

1210
01:27:40,970 --> 01:27:42,490
difference between illegal or illicit.

1211
01:27:43,670 --> 01:27:45,170
I think there is actually synonyms.

1212
01:27:45,990 --> 01:27:52,030
Illicit covers and stay long more of the sexual or that's specifically touching the humans

1213
01:27:52,030 --> 01:27:56,430
in a properly sexual rousal, so that covers those massage parlors, things like that.

1214
01:27:56,430 --> 01:27:58,190
This is the connotation of a list.

1215
01:27:58,490 --> 01:27:58,690
Yeah.

1216
01:27:59,190 --> 01:28:01,250
Well, 5.6 is covering that.

1217
01:28:01,610 --> 01:28:01,830
Yes.

1218
01:28:02,550 --> 01:28:06,330
So this is potentially entirely redundant overall.

1219
01:28:06,930 --> 01:28:07,170
OK.

1220
01:28:08,450 --> 01:28:10,070
This is one that I wanted to bring up.

1221
01:28:10,470 --> 01:28:14,310
That was one that I added based on the Cedar Fort throw vision list.

1222
01:28:15,370 --> 01:28:19,590
I don't know that it matters to have it or not, honestly, because it's illegal to legal.

1223
01:28:20,010 --> 01:28:20,170
Yeah.

1224
01:28:20,470 --> 01:28:20,870
Yeah.

1225
01:28:21,550 --> 01:28:23,330
You want to take it out, John, or leave it?

1226
01:28:23,330 --> 01:28:30,610
Well, I think it's more clearly defined of 5.6 and if you say illegal businesses

1227
01:28:30,610 --> 01:28:34,490
I'm fine with saying illegal businesses. I just don't think a list. It should be

1228
01:28:34,490 --> 01:28:38,250
She's been a list of to be handled somewhere else in the 5.6

1229
01:28:38,810 --> 01:28:42,550
Okay, I'm here. Good with that. Yeah, that's fine

1230
01:28:42,550 --> 01:28:47,330
Do you guys see anything in the whole section of five that you kind of want to add or take away?

1231
01:28:48,390 --> 01:28:49,590
There's another section

1232
01:28:50,310 --> 01:28:53,030
5.4 I wanted to highlight 5.4

1233
01:28:53,330 --> 01:29:02,610
Okay. On my 5.4, the way I read this, it reads a little bit different. I would think

1234
01:29:02,610 --> 01:29:10,330
that you would want to put like brackets or parentheses after dental and before office.

1235
01:29:11,430 --> 01:29:18,170
So it's a medical hospital or dental hospital, a medical clinic or a dental clinic or a medical

1236
01:29:19,070 --> 01:29:26,450
office or dental office. Oh, make it clear. Make it more clear. Yeah, we can have to do that.

1237
01:29:29,940 --> 01:29:34,910
I was just saying you just have to put parenthesis around those words.

1238
01:29:35,750 --> 01:29:40,470
Oh, once again, yeah, let's get just laid up there. Yeah, put it around. You're fine.

1239
01:29:42,190 --> 01:29:49,680
Look what? Rob has a master's in English so you can read it. I do not. I thought you did.

1240
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:51,560
I

1241
01:29:53,830 --> 01:29:56,390
was trying to make it easier so you didn't have to type as much.

1242
01:29:56,650 --> 01:29:58,010
I only know when you're done with 5.4.

1243
01:29:58,290 --> 01:29:59,730
Rob gets paid by the words.

1244
01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:03,660
Yes. I was trying to save money, okay?

1245
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:29,480
Two parentheses versus how many were? Yeah. I also added that end closet. It's kind of the provide the exception that we we kind of talked about the in-home as the titions or nail people as allowing that. Yeah. So that's what I was trying to capture there. I wanted to highlight that. The one thing too is like, I know we did 5.5. We discussed a little depth on small engine repair that doesn't affect 5.5.

1246
01:30:30,240 --> 01:30:38,420
You know, so this is changed so it used to say sales leasing, rental, repair, service of all of this stuff.

1247
01:30:38,540 --> 01:30:39,800
I took out the repair and service.

1248
01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:44,040
And that is now its own, as its own special regulation said.

1249
01:30:44,040 --> 01:30:46,920
It says it's allowed in certain conditions.

1250
01:30:48,480 --> 01:30:51,720
So this is just saying you can't do rentals of vehicles off your property.

1251
01:31:01,240 --> 01:31:02,300
Do you want to add that in there?

1252
01:31:02,740 --> 01:31:03,180
I don't know.

1253
01:31:03,700 --> 01:31:04,580
How many do we have?

1254
01:31:04,580 --> 01:31:16,820
I know they could add that if you wanted to that same regulation on the repair shops and have it be like the

1255
01:31:17,340 --> 01:31:24,240
repairs and machines stuff be that regulation as well as an option do you want to just highlight that

1256
01:31:24,240 --> 01:31:30,840
yeah well I like that one a reference reference it anything on 5.11 we're stressing on

1257
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:33,500
If I'm 11, I would seriously keep that in.

1258
01:31:34,000 --> 01:31:37,220
Well, I had other verbers I thought was more educational.

1259
01:31:38,400 --> 01:31:40,760
So, but if you want to do something different, we can.

1260
01:31:41,720 --> 01:31:42,440
I think it sounds good.

1261
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:46,340
But I do like keeping the use that so we don't produce or it,

1262
01:31:46,700 --> 01:31:48,220
and fluctuate the utility services.

1263
01:31:48,720 --> 01:31:53,280
Yeah, I like that because we did discuss about the power

1264
01:31:53,740 --> 01:31:56,660
and if someone's mining other things too.

1265
01:31:58,340 --> 01:32:04,960
like that one 5.10 do you want to do like so how do you how do you actually even

1266
01:32:04,960 --> 01:32:10,800
go about doing something like that? I don't know. You could you could do something

1267
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:15,180
to send somebody over there with a meter so every time somebody is central air

1268
01:32:15,180 --> 01:32:20,920
kicks on there's a power fluctuation. No I think you do is like abnormal power

1269
01:32:20,920 --> 01:32:25,960
very phase versus single phase. I think if the power company is gonna tell us if

1270
01:32:25,960 --> 01:32:31,360
something's causing it to something on our grid is it is rocking out and they usually do that or you judge you

1271
01:32:31,360 --> 01:32:33,080
I know where you come from.

1272
01:32:33,460 --> 01:32:37,100
Pinpoint where the fluctuations are coming from and they try to work with you.

1273
01:32:37,220 --> 01:32:38,840
I don't think it's we're not going to measure it there.

1274
01:32:39,220 --> 01:32:41,040
Yeah but like it is like abnormal.

1275
01:32:41,700 --> 01:32:46,140
Find out that would it be better as saying as per you like

1276
01:32:47,220 --> 01:32:52,020
fluctuations in utility service as provided by utility company

1277
01:32:52,020 --> 01:32:59,400
company provided by the utility company so we know like what they're looking for.

1278
01:32:59,620 --> 01:33:00,940
That ain't good water.

1279
01:33:03,780 --> 01:33:06,840
Technically no depending on the definition of utility.

1280
01:33:07,500 --> 01:33:09,720
Well this one's typically not water.

1281
01:33:10,340 --> 01:33:16,500
Typically not water because that's a private company.

1282
01:33:16,620 --> 01:33:18,800
It's not regulated by public service commission.

1283
01:33:18,800 --> 01:33:21,640
I think mainly where we're at power, correct?

1284
01:33:21,860 --> 01:33:22,840
And water?

1285
01:33:22,900 --> 01:33:26,900
Someone opens a business that is manufacturing other home using constant water flow.

1286
01:33:27,760 --> 01:33:28,780
Like a mini car wash?

1287
01:33:29,300 --> 01:33:30,680
Maybe I'll suggest a mini car wash.

1288
01:33:33,360 --> 01:33:34,380
Power gas.

1289
01:33:37,340 --> 01:33:37,900
4040.

1290
01:33:41,400 --> 01:33:44,180
You want to

1291
01:33:57,110 --> 01:33:58,190
do abnormal fluctuations?

1292
01:34:04,510 --> 01:34:04,950
We

1293
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:11,700
just brought up the previous meeting from the systems, how about it, and me sometimes

1294
01:34:11,700 --> 01:34:16,260
in general, we continue to allow businesses to move into Erin.

1295
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:20,260
What's the one I worried about was the generator using a lot of power?

1296
01:34:20,580 --> 01:34:24,580
Well, we have the nuisance with noise on the generator. It's the silo one, right?

1297
01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:38,440
I'm good with those. That sounds good. If you guys don't have anything else,

1298
01:34:40,740 --> 01:34:41,380
okay, at

1299
01:34:41,380 --> 01:34:46,720
the 5.11, where you're done. 6, go down to the section 6, 6.1.

1300
01:34:47,240 --> 01:34:51,600
So this, just to give that, now that we have, I have that additional residential business.

1301
01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:56,920
Yep, this applies to all of the home businesses whether their home occupations are home-based businesses

1302
01:34:56,920 --> 01:35:02,120
Okay, so this is the general standard for everything. Thank you, Rob. Rob

1303
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:07,340
I'm 5-11. I'm going to go back one. Oh

1304
01:35:10,050 --> 01:35:12,890
Razor process means I know you said month specific

1305
01:35:14,330 --> 01:35:16,970
Or similar animals similar in what way

1306
01:35:30,260 --> 01:35:37,720
I would define it as your general, okay, use for the family, the weasels, parents, are

1307
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:38,700
you thinking of being an asshole?

1308
01:35:38,980 --> 01:35:43,680
I would actually interpret what I was called on, it means it's in the same literal family

1309
01:35:43,680 --> 01:35:44,380
of animals.

1310
01:35:44,960 --> 01:35:51,060
Should we just define it as that and say similar animal use the placement part, use the technical

1311
01:35:51,060 --> 01:35:51,700
term there?

1312
01:35:52,460 --> 01:35:52,580
Sure.

1313
01:35:54,460 --> 01:36:00,840
Not that many people know what it is, but I think it's more clearly to find if you use

1314
01:36:00,840 --> 01:36:05,820
that versus similar animals, but does it have fur, does it have feet, does it have teeth,

1315
01:36:05,980 --> 01:36:06,920
does it have eyes, so

1316
01:36:09,260 --> 01:36:12,700
I made a suggestion there.

1317
01:36:15,680 --> 01:36:17,020
You guys find it okay?

1318
01:36:17,600 --> 01:36:17,680
I

1319
01:36:19,820 --> 01:36:21,660
think it is like a premonition.

1320
01:36:22,240 --> 01:36:23,200
There's only two people here.

1321
01:36:23,700 --> 01:36:26,060
There's only two people here.

1322
01:36:26,920 --> 01:36:29,120
I'm almost got the leak in there, hold on.

1323
01:36:30,720 --> 01:36:31,800
File is ready.

1324
01:36:32,020 --> 01:36:32,920
It's no more for it.

1325
01:36:37,440 --> 01:36:37,880
Jamie's.

1326
01:36:38,640 --> 01:36:39,080
Damien.

1327
01:36:41,430 --> 01:36:42,890
Did Jamie have anyone with?

1328
01:36:43,110 --> 01:36:43,350
Yes.

1329
01:36:43,730 --> 01:36:44,590
Quite aggressive on it.

1330
01:36:45,350 --> 01:36:46,730
I need to bring another case.

1331
01:36:47,250 --> 01:36:47,330
Huh?

1332
01:36:48,050 --> 01:36:48,930
No, you already got one.

1333
01:36:49,630 --> 01:36:50,730
Almost there, hold on.

1334
01:36:50,870 --> 01:36:51,350
And it's you know.

1335
01:36:52,930 --> 01:36:53,610
That one didn't work.

1336
01:36:53,830 --> 01:36:54,230
Short out.

1337
01:36:54,330 --> 01:36:54,850
She's posted.

1338
01:36:54,850 --> 01:37:01,750
If you go under the calendar, I'm working on it, so I just have to make sure that I make point that one.

1339
01:37:09,470 --> 01:37:09,930
That's point one.

1340
01:37:14,710 --> 01:37:15,810
We don't want 6.1.

1341
01:37:16,290 --> 01:37:17,010
Hey, it's there now.

1342
01:37:17,610 --> 01:37:18,310
Thank you.

1343
01:37:19,330 --> 01:37:19,710
Yeah.

1344
01:37:20,210 --> 01:37:21,810
Yeah, Rob, let's me and tell us something.

1345
01:37:22,030 --> 01:37:22,710
Okay, 6.1.

1346
01:37:22,990 --> 01:37:28,050
I added owner operated and I'm not sure why I did when I was reading through it just a little bit ago.

1347
01:37:28,290 --> 01:37:29,630
And I would recommend removing that.

1348
01:37:29,630 --> 01:37:35,290
Okay, it's a better term because someone may not own the business, but it's business. They're conducting from it

1349
01:37:35,290 --> 01:37:37,450
It seems to get to specific

1350
01:37:38,430 --> 01:37:45,230
Yeah, yeah, that's okay. That's okay. I'm okay with you. I'll just scratch that okay

1351
01:37:45,950 --> 01:37:47,150
Maybe else on 6.1

1352
01:37:50,040 --> 01:37:53,180
Okay, we're going to page 4 6.2 I

1353
01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:55,840
Think we're agree on this one multiple times

1354
01:37:57,460 --> 01:38:02,420
6.3. This is the off-street parking last one. What was 6.2 was the 49 percent?

1355
01:38:03,340 --> 01:38:06,060
I don't know. I know I won't win, but I still think it's high.

1356
01:38:07,220 --> 01:38:10,980
6.3 is the off-street parking, which they got.

1357
01:38:11,740 --> 01:38:16,920
I think 49 percent is high, but I will be uploaded on that.

1358
01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:20,340
6.3 is off-street parking. Spaces.

1359
01:38:20,340 --> 01:38:27,060
I can solidate a lot of the parking discussion into one section. That's all about parking. I know I mentioned last time

1360
01:38:27,060 --> 01:38:33,420
you guys want to limit on the size of parking on the business owners if they have like less than

1361
01:38:34,500 --> 01:38:42,860
quarter acre or half acre and then one acre above. I know I have three different levels. Do you guys want to look at that or kind of do you

1362
01:38:42,860 --> 01:38:48,200
crash I can't remember we decided on that one. It's like one acre. When you did this one,

1363
01:38:48,380 --> 01:38:55,360
didn't you change it? I try to remember somewhere. You mentioned acreage in some section here.

1364
01:38:55,720 --> 01:39:00,740
That's for the five plus employee one. I mentioned to make a lot of thing in there.

1365
01:39:01,020 --> 01:39:04,640
Do you want to see that chart in there? Yeah. Council wanted to adopt that or not.

1366
01:39:04,880 --> 01:39:10,260
What I think we did like one acre more and then like we did under one acre to half acre. We did five

1367
01:39:10,260 --> 01:39:12,100
live in an under half acre of like three.

1368
01:39:12,860 --> 01:39:14,020
Or for vehicles.

1369
01:39:14,860 --> 01:39:17,040
Yeah, so actually, this is only, I wanted to rate,

1370
01:39:17,360 --> 01:39:19,720
this is mostly the section about employees,

1371
01:39:20,100 --> 01:39:21,820
the offsite employees that are coming on.

1372
01:39:22,060 --> 01:39:22,240
Correct.

1373
01:39:22,560 --> 01:39:25,540
We don't, that was maybe the, maybe I should have included

1374
01:39:25,540 --> 01:39:30,400
that we, it isn't a clear standard for offstreet parking

1375
01:39:30,400 --> 01:39:31,300
for customers.

1376
01:39:34,440 --> 01:39:36,420
And perhaps that's meant to talk about

1377
01:39:36,420 --> 01:39:37,420
with the home-based business.

1378
01:39:39,900 --> 01:39:44,160
I don't like the residents that may enter agreements with neighbors from parking.

1379
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:46,220
Also, I would like that to be removed.

1380
01:39:48,100 --> 01:39:50,120
I think at that point we'd have discussed that.

1381
01:39:50,380 --> 01:39:50,400
No.

1382
01:39:51,180 --> 01:39:52,760
That's different as I thought you threw in there, Rob?

1383
01:39:54,360 --> 01:39:56,500
That was from...

1384
01:39:56,500 --> 01:39:57,100
Oh, John's a doctor.

1385
01:39:57,160 --> 01:39:57,640
John's a doctor.

1386
01:39:57,840 --> 01:39:58,580
I think John mentioned that.

1387
01:39:58,580 --> 01:40:03,940
That was in there and that's because there's people that do garage sales here in town.

1388
01:40:03,940 --> 01:40:11,200
And they have actually went and talked to their neighbors to say, hey, I'm going to be doing a garage self-being this month.

1389
01:40:11,680 --> 01:40:17,000
Right. Would you be willing to allow people to part in here and to the runs of the street?

1390
01:40:17,720 --> 01:40:18,680
I think it's a great idea.

1391
01:40:18,960 --> 01:40:19,880
I think we should-

1392
01:40:19,880 --> 01:40:20,940
I don't think it's the bad idea.

1393
01:40:21,340 --> 01:40:23,400
I recommend we don't legislate for one scenario.

1394
01:40:24,200 --> 01:40:26,500
Only because if you-

1395
01:40:26,500 --> 01:40:29,100
So he makes the agreement to the neighbor to his south.

1396
01:40:29,360 --> 01:40:29,540
Yeah.

1397
01:40:29,540 --> 01:40:36,660
But the neighbor to south of that neighbor is like, where are all these cars in the yard blocked and they were being thrown on in my yard or parking in front of my house?

1398
01:40:37,540 --> 01:40:44,600
So my neighbor's property, but your cousin a domino effect from the home-based business is stretching it to neighboring property.

1399
01:40:44,880 --> 01:40:46,320
It's quite a magically right that section.

1400
01:40:46,500 --> 01:40:49,360
I think you're solving an issue. I don't think you're creating an issue.

1401
01:40:49,360 --> 01:40:52,540
But this is what Rob said is an employee, so now you're allowing employees.

1402
01:40:52,660 --> 01:40:54,640
This isn't for customers, it's what Rob just said.

1403
01:40:54,640 --> 01:40:55,500
That's just employees.

1404
01:40:56,100 --> 01:40:57,180
We have in the dead.

1405
01:40:57,540 --> 01:41:01,040
Yeah, look, are you guys okay leading this for employees?

1406
01:41:01,720 --> 01:41:03,820
No, I think you want to get rid of that one.

1407
01:41:03,980 --> 01:41:05,120
Yeah, that's where I'm at.

1408
01:41:10,890 --> 01:41:13,330
Because it's expanding the use from the residential home

1409
01:41:13,330 --> 01:41:13,830
based business.

1410
01:41:14,270 --> 01:41:15,510
That's basically turning in a commercial

1411
01:41:15,510 --> 01:41:17,890
because you now have a parking lot in the neighbor's yard.

1412
01:41:18,350 --> 01:41:18,450
Okay.

1413
01:41:23,140 --> 01:41:24,460
Do I really think I'm at it?

1414
01:41:24,540 --> 01:41:25,540
Yeah, I'm kind of.

1415
01:41:25,780 --> 01:41:26,320
I don't know.

1416
01:41:26,660 --> 01:41:28,860
I actually kind of like that.

1417
01:41:47,340 --> 01:41:49,500
So if we put that into where we were talking about

1418
01:41:50,160 --> 01:41:56,440
How many yard sales I'd feel good about that but not a daily business having parking at someone else's house

1419
01:42:02,180 --> 01:42:08,660
Well John we're here from John and me from you guys is maybe just temporary use a lot of temporary is not like an ongoing thing

1420
01:42:10,700 --> 01:42:15,360
What do you mean like if we're talking that's the scenario everyone presented?

1421
01:42:15,600 --> 01:42:20,340
Let's write it in that scenario. Well, this may just say hey just a brief like one day deal or two day deal talks

1422
01:42:20,340 --> 01:42:23,660
Because we talked about, we, at the time, I don't know if it's in your talk about

1423
01:42:23,660 --> 01:42:25,800
12 yards over here, which is a lot, right?

1424
01:42:25,880 --> 01:42:27,000
Yeah, that is a little question.

1425
01:42:28,260 --> 01:42:32,960
I mean, someone could do that 12 times a year, if we leave it as written every day, every

1426
01:42:32,960 --> 01:42:35,900
business can release their neighbor's property, which means it leaves that problem.

1427
01:42:35,900 --> 01:42:39,380
So you're, so you may think and go back to what we've discussed, like if we're in West

1428
01:42:39,380 --> 01:42:42,920
Valley, there are places where, hey, you can do this with your neighbor at that time, but

1429
01:42:42,920 --> 01:42:44,000
it's limited this many times.

1430
01:42:44,180 --> 01:42:44,400
Yeah.

1431
01:42:44,920 --> 01:42:46,540
And it's tied to that use case.

1432
01:42:46,940 --> 01:42:47,140
Okay.

1433
01:42:53,280 --> 01:42:57,460
No, I see. I mean, do you have a vacant lot next year to say, hey, I've got three employees

1434
01:42:57,460 --> 01:43:00,160
in the parking lot. Got it. So maybe we just do, I think.

1435
01:43:00,160 --> 01:43:02,040
So is there a consensus to remove that sentence?

1436
01:43:02,920 --> 01:43:04,340
I think we could leave it with the agreement.

1437
01:43:04,500 --> 01:43:07,280
I think one here and from people, too, is like, are you guys okay with just saying it?

1438
01:43:07,400 --> 01:43:10,140
But it has to be temporary, temporary being.

1439
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:14,900
With how is written type of business is I think the consensus is removed from here and apply it.

1440
01:43:15,340 --> 01:43:15,980
Oh, okay.

1441
01:43:16,380 --> 01:43:19,880
Because how you've reigned the first sentence is resident for each employee.

1442
01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:24,760
John, are you saying yours is more temporary or you're thinking or do you want no just overall?

1443
01:43:24,760 --> 01:43:26,940
I would feel okay with room 30.

1444
01:43:39,800 --> 01:43:40,820
It's made a note down below.

1445
01:43:41,200 --> 01:43:41,260
Okay.

1446
01:43:41,480 --> 01:43:42,620
Then we can maybe address it there.

1447
01:43:42,660 --> 01:43:42,860
Okay.

1448
01:43:42,960 --> 01:43:46,820
I'm going to say would we put it in another end or six because it would be a general regulation

1449
01:43:46,820 --> 01:43:47,680
for customers?

1450
01:43:48,600 --> 01:43:51,320
Because we have not addressed anything for customer parking.

1451
01:43:51,720 --> 01:43:51,960
Right.

1452
01:43:52,280 --> 01:43:56,040
Because this is because your home occupations don't have customers.

1453
01:43:56,580 --> 01:43:59,980
So we can put it as part of the regulation for home-based businesses which can't have

1454
01:43:59,980 --> 01:44:05,020
Because that's where we put it in part of the 12 vehicles per day to talk about parking spaces should be provided and

1455
01:44:05,020 --> 01:44:06,340
and directly down there.

1456
01:44:06,480 --> 01:44:06,680
Okay.

1457
01:44:07,120 --> 01:44:08,540
May I ask a question, Laura?

1458
01:44:09,700 --> 01:44:10,300
Chair.

1459
01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:12,900
It's about this sentence.

1460
01:44:13,820 --> 01:44:15,000
Mark Voss here again.

1461
01:44:16,780 --> 01:44:21,080
Read an isolation the way I read this sentence in 6.3.

1462
01:44:21,880 --> 01:44:28,000
Residential businesses may enter agreements with neighbors with parking at the end of the sentence.

1463
01:44:28,000 --> 01:44:35,800
where I read that in isolation it's so broad and so general it sounds to me

1464
01:44:35,800 --> 01:44:42,360
like three or four neighbors can write can enter an agreement that trumps the

1465
01:44:42,360 --> 01:44:43,640
rest of 6.3

1466
01:44:45,880 --> 01:44:47,220
it's

1467
01:44:49,330 --> 01:44:52,210
it's written so general that you could do that they could

1468
01:44:52,210 --> 01:44:57,770
argue that so when you if and when you decided to remove it or put it in a

1469
01:44:57,770 --> 01:44:59,670
a different section, my suggestion.

1470
01:45:00,850 --> 01:45:31,040
To make it very specific. So if four neighbors got together and they did that, what would you see as them doing that? You don't believe that's a right? The day has? No, I'm saying the way I read it, it's so general that you could have two neighbors. One neighbor plus the proponent writes an agreement saying, hey, we can not only park

1471
01:45:31,900 --> 01:45:37,100
for this garage sale we can we can have all of the we can have parking that

1472
01:45:37,100 --> 01:45:43,160
otherwise flout six the rest of 6.3 that sentence is very very genuine you could

1473
01:45:43,160 --> 01:45:46,600
drive a Mack truck through it I'm just suggesting that you tighten it up and

1474
01:45:46,600 --> 01:45:50,500
be specific with it all right I was just trying to figure out what your Mack

1475
01:45:50,500 --> 01:45:56,340
truck was and you're driving through there okay I'll be more specific I understand

1476
01:45:56,340 --> 01:45:57,020
All right.

1477
01:45:59,640 --> 01:46:05,720
I mean, I don't, there's nothing specific at all in that sense. It's completely

1478
01:46:05,720 --> 01:46:14,340
general. Residential businesses may enter agreements with users for parking. There's no

1479
01:46:14,340 --> 01:46:21,040
constraint of any kind. There's no temporal constraint. There's no numerical constraint.

1480
01:46:21,240 --> 01:46:26,760
There's no specific constraint about the type of business or location. I'm just pointing

1481
01:46:26,760 --> 01:46:34,820
out that somebody who wants to do this who's looking for a loophole has arguably found

1482
01:46:34,820 --> 01:46:41,580
some language for a loophole to expand the parties beyond the rest of what 6.3 says.

1483
01:46:41,860 --> 01:46:48,740
So let me give you an idea here. I think part of the reason that this language was in there

1484
01:46:48,740 --> 01:46:54,000
and was talking about it was because there's people that have businesses here in town.

1485
01:46:56,060 --> 01:46:56,740
They

1486
01:46:57,380 --> 01:47:02,620
and they carpool to a different location so they meet in the morning and they

1487
01:47:02,620 --> 01:47:04,140
carpool to a different location.

1488
01:47:06,580 --> 01:47:10,040
And if they didn't have enough parking in

1489
01:47:10,040 --> 01:47:11,840
their home

1490
01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:18,040
or whatever they could talk to a neighbor and they could say hey so

1491
01:47:18,040 --> 01:47:22,180
and so is going to be working with me would you be willing to let them park their

1492
01:47:22,180 --> 01:47:26,100
vehicle here so it's off the road. That's what I see.

1493
01:47:26,100 --> 01:47:31,960
Yeah, I appreciate the intent and the spirit of it. I'm not I'm not expressing opposition to it. I'm saying

1494
01:47:33,260 --> 01:47:40,600
My trading and experience that that sentence is is an issue. I don't know. I don't know what your attorney thinks about it

1495
01:47:40,600 --> 01:47:45,700
It just looks awfully general and in this period of Ryan's comments, I think it ought to be tightened up

1496
01:47:51,530 --> 01:47:53,690
You had three to remove it

1497
01:47:54,770 --> 01:47:58,430
Did you do I want to know it? It's noted down further for the other

1498
01:47:59,410 --> 01:48:01,390
Yeah, Doyle didn't want it in this section

1499
01:48:04,070 --> 01:48:05,070
Even temporary

1500
01:48:06,390 --> 01:48:13,990
I don't think this section is really good. We can bring it down later on. That's what we're doing. Okay. Okay, let's move on then anything else on that one

1501
01:48:13,990 --> 01:48:20,610
So with that with the simple parking and traffic will plan be submitted to demonstrate adequate parking do we?

1502
01:48:21,310 --> 01:48:29,070
It's we're just doing firm employees I guess we still still sketch out a little dry parking spot. I want to deploy you. Yeah

1503
01:48:29,070 --> 01:48:34,010
and it has seen not affect their required for their house, so they have to say here's my house.

1504
01:48:34,650 --> 01:48:39,470
And that's where I worry about this broad statement, but if you have an ADU department,

1505
01:48:40,190 --> 01:48:43,630
you know, in your house, in your ADU, and everybody else, you could contract with your neighbor

1506
01:48:43,630 --> 01:48:47,630
to take all your personal cards so that you have room for your business.

1507
01:48:48,310 --> 01:48:52,750
So that's why I worry about that being such a broad statement about the presidential businesses.

1508
01:48:54,050 --> 01:48:55,910
I'm glad you've taken out the neighborhood cards.

1509
01:48:56,990 --> 01:49:01,570
Okay. Anything on some 6.3? 6.4.

1510
01:49:01,830 --> 01:49:03,550
I just want to jump back up to...

1511
01:49:03,550 --> 01:49:04,610
Can I go back up to the one right?

1512
01:49:05,090 --> 01:49:06,010
6.2.

1513
01:49:06,570 --> 01:49:08,410
I say that at a place and I say in question

1514
01:49:09,010 --> 01:49:12,350
of defining home occupations dwelling only, home businesses,

1515
01:49:13,030 --> 01:49:14,870
dwelling at 6.3, structure a lot because

1516
01:49:16,690 --> 01:49:19,490
right now that section reads all those locations.

1517
01:49:19,790 --> 01:49:21,950
So if we're going to change that, we might not have to change that area.

1518
01:49:22,650 --> 01:49:26,290
You know, on 6.2, I got it attached to garage.

1519
01:49:26,590 --> 01:49:28,530
Right now, no matter what business or lot size,

1520
01:49:28,530 --> 01:49:32,130
you can do it in your garage or lot or your parcel.

1521
01:49:33,210 --> 01:49:36,230
Because we've got one section there.

1522
01:49:36,750 --> 01:49:37,230
That's right.

1523
01:49:37,550 --> 01:49:38,890
We just want to skip thinking about which

1524
01:49:38,890 --> 01:49:41,110
make home occupation is only home-based business

1525
01:49:41,110 --> 01:49:42,850
going to express your structure a lot.

1526
01:49:43,350 --> 01:49:45,650
And not let it be everyone in town.

1527
01:49:45,890 --> 01:49:47,750
So just make a note of that that we're going to come back

1528
01:49:47,750 --> 01:49:49,090
to that, and I'm just going to write a number

1529
01:49:56,630 --> 01:50:05,150
Okay, and then 6.4, science, I think we kind of beat that one up a bit, 6.4 feet.

1530
01:50:05,510 --> 01:50:05,790
Hold on.

1531
01:50:06,990 --> 01:50:09,130
Where it says attached to the main dwelling unit,

1532
01:50:11,520 --> 01:50:14,500
I think most people wouldn't want to

1533
01:50:14,500 --> 01:50:15,460
attach to their dwelling unit.

1534
01:50:15,460 --> 01:50:24,040
I'm going to say that if you don't want somebody to be driving back and forth and back and forth, you probably want to design out farther.

1535
01:50:24,860 --> 01:50:26,120
Make sure you do, so make sure you don't have to grow.

1536
01:50:26,320 --> 01:50:29,380
So it's visible so that people can actually see it.

1537
01:50:30,580 --> 01:50:38,520
There may be some lots. I know several of them is my house, but it was attached by my main house, nobody would ever see it.

1538
01:50:38,900 --> 01:50:40,380
I'm back off the road.

1539
01:50:41,720 --> 01:50:51,820
100 yards so if you only limit it to the house most times when I'm driving for work

1540
01:50:51,820 --> 01:50:57,560
I see a home-based business they have a small little sign in front of their

1541
01:50:57,560 --> 01:51:03,800
by their mailbox or something like that they say the name of it and it maybe

1542
01:51:03,800 --> 01:51:08,280
just right there with their mailbox or on a small little post or something so

1543
01:51:08,280 --> 01:51:09,680
So it's easy to see from the road.

1544
01:51:10,440 --> 01:51:10,980
Do you guys want it?

1545
01:51:11,100 --> 01:51:11,960
Not necessarily.

1546
01:51:13,940 --> 01:51:16,580
If they want a bigger sign attached to their house,

1547
01:51:16,800 --> 01:51:20,000
sure, but you should probably allow for something small

1548
01:51:20,000 --> 01:51:21,320
that says, hey, this is it.

1549
01:51:22,360 --> 01:51:22,940
There you go.

1550
01:51:23,060 --> 01:51:23,200
It's OK.

1551
01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:24,420
I think it's like Park Strip.

1552
01:51:24,560 --> 01:51:25,120
I'm thinking Mike.

1553
01:51:25,660 --> 01:51:28,380
You know, like if we're saying the size for death

1554
01:51:28,380 --> 01:51:29,480
to the house, we need to keep it.

1555
01:51:29,600 --> 01:51:33,540
And maybe, right, maybe a front setback that gives you

1556
01:51:33,540 --> 01:51:34,660
a lot of area from the road.

1557
01:51:34,660 --> 01:51:38,000
Do your setback to display another

1558
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:41,900
size. So they just we get just with the name.

1559
01:51:47,900 --> 01:51:49,580
I'm not talking a big size.

1560
01:51:56,700 --> 01:51:57,920
Yeah the ones that I've

1561
01:51:57,920 --> 01:52:04,240
seen are just in like little wooden or metal signs that people have and it hasn't even their

1562
01:52:04,240 --> 01:52:09,200
business and it's enough that if they're looking for address and they see the name of the business

1563
01:52:09,200 --> 01:52:11,340
They're like, oh, that's that's it.

1564
01:52:14,920 --> 01:52:17,080
I think we just hit six square feet.

1565
01:52:17,680 --> 01:52:19,880
For the one by the, he's going by the driveway.

1566
01:52:20,180 --> 01:52:21,600
Margin and one square foot.

1567
01:52:22,060 --> 01:52:23,220
Well, I was just picking a number.

1568
01:52:23,680 --> 01:52:24,920
That's okay. That's why I keep asking.

1569
01:52:25,040 --> 01:52:25,820
The language fits.

1570
01:52:26,100 --> 01:52:27,260
I thought you'd like to give me a take measure.

1571
01:52:27,400 --> 01:52:28,900
I don't visualize it unless I can see it.

1572
01:52:29,640 --> 01:52:30,520
One by one.

1573
01:52:30,900 --> 01:52:38,900
One square foot is that big, but you could also do one square foot like four inches by, four inches by,

1574
01:52:53,740 --> 01:53:02,820
I think the best ones I've seen is they're not in the park strip but they're like in the yard and they're almost like

1575
01:53:03,840 --> 01:53:09,220
They're kind of the smaller yard signs, like the, or the, the locals, or like this, you know what I mean?

1576
01:53:09,380 --> 01:53:13,440
So I think if you haven't touched the house, I think that's not going to be good. Most people want to damage the

1577
01:53:13,440 --> 01:53:19,340
stuff over wherever their house. I think if they want to want to put not in the park strip, it may just like inside the setbacks that run or

1578
01:53:19,340 --> 01:53:23,500
setback. That means you're a property not city. Yeah, I think that setback should be fair.

1579
01:53:32,740 --> 01:53:39,200
Yeah, could you? Here's a make sense. You put something on the fence to guide people back to them. What's the one square foot thing again?

1580
01:53:41,660 --> 01:53:48,940
because otherwise you would make traffic situations worse by people going up

1581
01:53:48,940 --> 01:53:52,540
and down trying to figure out where they're supposed to be. Robert you say to

1582
01:53:52,540 --> 01:53:57,260
six foot squares. I only say that because when I look for a street address every day

1583
01:53:57,260 --> 01:54:01,220
and they don't have them placed on their house it's really frustrating.

1584
01:54:01,420 --> 01:54:07,260
Sometimes you knock on the run-cast. You have one six foot sign on your house or you

1585
01:54:07,260 --> 01:54:10,960
put it in your window showing outside or whatever that is.

1586
01:54:11,360 --> 01:54:15,680
And then after one other sign, on a fence, on a little side,

1587
01:54:15,760 --> 01:54:17,200
those are both smaller.

1588
01:54:17,460 --> 01:54:19,920
It's a square foot, paying out how you want to orient it.

1589
01:54:20,120 --> 01:54:24,660
It says, so someone's bakery arrow this way.

1590
01:54:27,100 --> 01:54:28,600
I rather do the bigger one on the front.

1591
01:54:29,100 --> 01:54:31,720
It's not going to be out, brother, but I think you can still

1592
01:54:31,720 --> 01:54:32,240
make them nice.

1593
01:54:32,380 --> 01:54:33,660
And I think we have a lot of rules that we

1594
01:54:33,660 --> 01:54:36,400
came up with that Ryan mentioned last time, which I

1595
01:54:36,400 --> 01:54:39,380
agree with, I don't want it like excessive like bright blue and yellow as you

1596
01:54:39,380 --> 01:54:43,880
drive by, but it may only do something just like Earth's own colors or just

1597
01:54:43,880 --> 01:54:47,120
an example, you don't do that, but just something really stupid in the yard

1598
01:54:47,120 --> 01:54:52,620
but the setbacks, because I think if you're not going to see that either, that's my

1599
01:54:52,620 --> 01:54:52,860
opinion.

1600
01:54:55,600 --> 01:54:58,040
Do you guys want to leave it as is or you guys don't pay change in mind or?

1601
01:54:59,540 --> 01:55:04,320
For me, it's good and then we see a problem like people approach us. I think we're

1602
01:55:04,320 --> 01:55:07,320
going to prevent the long-term business, concrete business.

1603
01:55:07,840 --> 01:55:09,940
So it feels like a yard, like a real house.

1604
01:55:11,840 --> 01:55:12,640
OK, Ryan.

1605
01:55:12,860 --> 01:55:17,040
I don't want to, I don't want to live a flashing or a dressing

1606
01:55:17,760 --> 01:55:19,100
or distracting motor.

1607
01:55:19,360 --> 01:55:20,800
So that's already in there.

1608
01:55:21,080 --> 01:55:23,720
Yeah, I'm just don't want to just ask.

1609
01:55:23,720 --> 01:55:25,600
And if you guys are OK with like the two by six,

1610
01:55:25,600 --> 01:55:28,280
sign with setbacks off the front yard.

1611
01:55:28,280 --> 01:55:31,860
Like was it like 10, there was no 30 feet or 30 feet, 20 feet?

1612
01:55:32,640 --> 01:55:33,260
Jordan would know.

1613
01:55:33,260 --> 01:55:34,580
You know, George says that's different.

1614
01:55:35,120 --> 01:55:35,980
Depends on the law.

1615
01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:36,700
What's the average?

1616
01:55:37,200 --> 01:55:37,380
20.

1617
01:55:37,580 --> 01:55:37,840
20?

1618
01:55:38,220 --> 01:55:41,720
I'm okay with like 15, 20 up from the law of mine,

1619
01:55:42,000 --> 01:55:42,420
or the road.

1620
01:55:43,460 --> 01:55:43,640
No?

1621
01:55:44,480 --> 01:55:44,740
Let me know.

1622
01:55:45,000 --> 01:55:45,640
Does that make sense?

1623
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:47,120
I need to speak with him.

1624
01:55:50,840 --> 01:55:51,400
Oh, God.

1625
01:55:52,160 --> 01:55:52,520
Okay.

1626
01:55:52,720 --> 01:55:52,860
Okay.

1627
01:55:52,860 --> 01:55:53,540
We have to do small.

1628
01:55:53,900 --> 01:55:55,780
Within the property outside of the right of way?

1629
01:55:56,760 --> 01:55:59,580
The way of Dan is asking if you want the bigger ones out front.

1630
01:55:59,580 --> 01:55:59,760
Yeah.

1631
01:56:00,100 --> 01:56:00,620
The question.

1632
01:56:00,720 --> 01:56:00,860
Yeah.

1633
01:56:00,980 --> 01:56:02,820
I just want like a foot is just too tiny.

1634
01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:03,580
I think it's going to be way.

1635
01:56:03,740 --> 01:56:05,240
I think either you'd want to do

1636
01:56:05,240 --> 01:56:12,000
six foot out front but not too far to the road but versus a foot. I just think it's really too tiny. No one's going to see that.

1637
01:56:12,200 --> 01:56:15,140
Do I need two feet on the road? Say what?

1638
01:56:15,440 --> 01:56:18,240
Two feet on the road. Two square foot sides.

1639
01:56:18,500 --> 01:56:18,860
Two.

1640
01:56:20,420 --> 01:56:21,680
I'm going to do like two.

1641
01:56:22,200 --> 01:56:23,200
Two square foot.

1642
01:56:23,480 --> 01:56:28,280
Yeah, we need to do two or three. We have two square foot. I mean that's like, yeah, I'll be okay with that.

1643
01:56:28,540 --> 01:56:30,060
Yeah, that's why I keep asking is one thing enough.

1644
01:56:30,340 --> 01:56:32,120
Yeah, I think the two would be fine.

1645
01:56:32,120 --> 01:56:39,840
Okay, you guys okay with that. Okay, you know I

1646
01:56:42,370 --> 01:56:45,010
think two by two is that we're looking at

1647
01:56:47,210 --> 01:56:50,150
Okay, so you're okay with the yard and the house

1648
01:56:51,510 --> 01:56:53,910
We're you suggesting one sign?

1649
01:56:54,790 --> 01:56:56,930
Yes, wherever you want to put it

1650
01:56:57,470 --> 01:57:00,770
Well, we've been talking about his two signs of different sizes.

1651
01:57:03,370 --> 01:57:04,150
You once just

1652
01:57:08,330 --> 01:57:13,610
front yard when they get a yard sale or whatever. Are you on the document? Do you see the changes?

1653
01:57:13,810 --> 01:57:15,710
I am. Can you see the changes? Are you okay with that?

1654
01:57:18,110 --> 01:57:20,310
I don't think we need more than one sign.

1655
01:57:20,530 --> 01:57:24,550
I think most people don't want to put more than one sign. So one sign but they can choose to put

1656
01:57:24,550 --> 01:57:31,990
in the yard two by two or in the house. But you were talking about this one foot sign and that's

1657
01:57:31,990 --> 01:57:37,830
where I was confused and I don't know what multiple signs were given the opportunity to

1658
01:57:37,830 --> 01:57:40,470
do a little advertising but just do it with one sign.

1659
01:57:40,690 --> 01:57:44,650
Okay. Are you okay with the two square feet out front versus attach the house?

1660
01:57:48,850 --> 01:57:49,190
Okay.

1661
01:57:53,070 --> 01:57:55,050
One sign and then once they come somewhere.

1662
01:57:55,430 --> 01:57:55,610
Yeah.

1663
01:57:55,910 --> 01:57:56,150
Okay.

1664
01:57:58,170 --> 01:57:58,710
Okay.

1665
01:58:00,590 --> 01:58:01,450
Are we all good?

1666
01:58:02,130 --> 01:58:09,630
So we got here two people warming a one sign limit but just saying put it in different places.

1667
01:58:11,130 --> 01:58:14,510
How is the rest of the council feel about you want to have one sign?

1668
01:58:14,970 --> 01:58:17,630
Do you want to allow for two different sizes depending on where they're at?

1669
01:58:18,310 --> 01:58:19,590
Two different sizes.

1670
01:58:24,450 --> 01:58:37,150
I don't want to limit the ability where I probably wouldn't want to have something large at the street for myself.

1671
01:58:38,110 --> 01:58:41,990
But up where it's not bothering anybody, I could have something at my door.

1672
01:58:47,020 --> 01:58:53,780
I think if you took off the was in the main dwelling you like attached to even the larger

1673
01:58:53,780 --> 01:58:57,400
one of those fine and then within that setback this one.

1674
01:58:58,960 --> 01:59:03,320
So I just would have someone might want to put it inside their window, that was my

1675
01:59:03,320 --> 01:59:06,440
with thought. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

1676
01:59:07,960 --> 01:59:12,020
That makes us. So the question that do you want one total or option

1677
01:59:12,020 --> 01:59:17,440
have to as as bring it's up to two. I think you have a sign that

1678
01:59:17,440 --> 01:59:19,240
chosen where it is. Do you need to?

1679
01:59:22,860 --> 01:59:24,860
And then the second reason I

1680
01:59:24,860 --> 01:59:29,560
would give that it would be nice is if you have a particular door

1681
01:59:29,560 --> 01:59:33,480
that you want somebody go to as well as letting them know where

1682
01:59:33,480 --> 01:59:36,720
are out on the road and a particular door. That's two.

1683
01:59:41,820 --> 01:59:42,760
So they'd like to do a

1684
01:59:42,760 --> 01:59:48,240
in-house massage or they have my head, CPR. Signed all over for our home-based

1685
01:59:48,240 --> 01:59:52,540
medicine in the community now and this opens it up to a massive signs of

1686
01:59:52,540 --> 01:59:55,740
light. Most people don't want signs on every single street, every single block.

1687
01:59:57,000 --> 01:59:59,960
the other day of the businesses, like people who are raised.

1688
02:00:00,020 --> 02:00:10,740
The street signs everywhere. That's right. They're not out there, right? We have lots of home-based business operating. This opens us up to changing the look of.

1689
02:00:14,420 --> 02:00:29,860
There's tons and tons of home-based businesses here already. None of them have signs. They don't care too really. Most of them don't want them. Yeah. I think it's the preschools and everything like that. Nobody even has signs. I think one is plenty. I know that.

1690
02:00:29,860 --> 02:00:35,740
and commercial businesses a lot of times they're limited to once you know you guys out here

1691
02:00:35,740 --> 02:00:40,380
but a lot of commercial businesses are limited to a single sign so I don't know why we'd be giving

1692
02:00:40,380 --> 02:00:51,400
home-based businesses two signs or multiples it doesn't make a lot of sense okay Dan and Doyle

1693
02:00:51,400 --> 02:00:57,920
we're a favor of one John is a favor of allowing two I want one that so now I'm going to think this

1694
02:00:57,920 --> 02:01:05,180
four. You can have one sign six square feet on or within the building or two

1695
02:01:05,180 --> 02:01:09,780
square feet out in your yard outside of the right of way within your

1696
02:01:09,780 --> 02:01:12,980
property. Okay. Is that good?

1697
02:01:16,470 --> 02:01:18,670
I think we're good with that. You can have one

1698
02:01:18,670 --> 02:01:28,250
that's six square feet on the house and two square feet or four. So why are we

1699
02:01:28,250 --> 02:01:34,350
changing the rules based on if you put it out in your yard I can only have six

1700
02:01:34,350 --> 02:01:38,990
square root two square feet. If I put it on in my house I can have six square feet.

1701
02:01:39,210 --> 02:01:43,390
Do you want it? I proposed. How's this last impact for Doyle? You put a bunch of

1702
02:01:43,390 --> 02:01:48,030
six square feet signs in everyone's front yard. We're a billboard for the walking billboard.

1703
02:01:48,350 --> 02:01:52,830
That's how I view it. I was cool with either one doll. The first one I

1704
02:01:52,830 --> 02:01:57,330
mentioned is what you just mentioned and the second one was trying to get the two by two at least.

1705
02:01:57,330 --> 02:02:00,650
So, Doyle, is your vote to limit to one sign on the house bill?

1706
02:02:02,470 --> 02:02:05,370
Mine is just one period.

1707
02:02:09,850 --> 02:02:11,250
That's the way that Rob just wrote it.

1708
02:02:13,440 --> 02:02:14,340
Is there further?

1709
02:02:14,880 --> 02:02:16,720
Is there something just to make it?

1710
02:02:17,320 --> 02:02:18,820
You know, I have one

1711
02:02:21,820 --> 02:02:23,220
sign with the political

1712
02:02:28,380 --> 02:02:29,100
science.

1713
02:02:29,340 --> 02:02:30,420
You know, put down

1714
02:02:33,490 --> 02:02:38,630
37, shouldn't you get 50 signs and say, come see our model home.

1715
02:02:39,130 --> 02:02:42,870
That's a perfect example of what, if we're not careful, we could have happened in time.

1716
02:02:42,870 --> 02:02:48,550
You can tell you can tell you have that too and then you also see where you know made avenues where the trees are so thick

1717
02:02:48,550 --> 02:02:52,890
That they have a little one out front say hey this way then other sign later on so I've seen both ways

1718
02:02:54,610 --> 02:02:57,710
Are you okay? I'm okay leave it this way or if

1719
02:02:58,270 --> 02:03:01,990
Dole wants to do the two the six-square feet in the front was just one sign

1720
02:03:02,650 --> 02:03:05,710
I'm okay with either right I agree it likes in the comments made a night like

1721
02:03:07,450 --> 02:03:09,350
Most people care up put in signs out front

1722
02:03:19,640 --> 02:03:19,960
Okay,

1723
02:03:22,400 --> 02:03:25,580
there we have 6.5, which I think we all agree with that one.

1724
02:03:25,700 --> 02:03:28,680
I did have four nuisances since it does have nuisances.

1725
02:03:28,800 --> 02:03:28,880
Yeah.

1726
02:03:29,500 --> 02:03:32,440
I just want to highlight that was a change that I made without direction.

1727
02:03:32,880 --> 02:03:33,340
Thank you, Rob.

1728
02:03:34,020 --> 02:03:35,060
I think we all agree with this one.

1729
02:03:35,060 --> 02:03:35,640
Okay, so one term only.

1730
02:03:35,760 --> 02:03:36,800
That's why I'm raising it.

1731
02:03:37,160 --> 02:03:38,660
I think, well, we refer to it.

1732
02:03:38,660 --> 02:03:42,180
We passed it. 6.6 is 7am to 7pm operations.

1733
02:03:43,300 --> 02:03:46,180
I think we're good on that one list and we have an objection to that.

1734
02:03:47,720 --> 02:03:51,280
6.7. This is the deliveries.

1735
02:03:52,080 --> 02:03:55,620
This is your traffic so I can solidate the various traffic one than the one that says.

1736
02:03:57,580 --> 02:04:03,140
It points on section 9 which is where we have the specific regulations for home occupations versus home based businesses.

1737
02:04:03,140 --> 02:04:06,200
That's where we'll specify, come on patients, know,

1738
02:04:06,760 --> 02:04:09,040
and base businesses up to 12 on that bridge.

1739
02:04:10,360 --> 02:04:12,900
And then it has the hours for,

1740
02:04:13,100 --> 02:04:15,240
I mean, the traffic that you talked about last time.

1741
02:04:17,600 --> 02:04:20,160
When we were talking about this before,

1742
02:04:21,380 --> 02:04:24,200
we had mentioned that there's some deliveries

1743
02:04:24,200 --> 02:04:27,520
that are happening on a daily basis through cams

1744
02:04:27,520 --> 02:04:30,060
and FedEx and UPS.

1745
02:04:30,060 --> 02:04:37,880
Is that actually I did not see anywhere in this order that so that was actually talked about or anything like that.

1746
02:04:38,240 --> 02:04:44,760
So, are you saying that if I have a residential use I can have Amazon 10x.

1747
02:04:44,940 --> 02:04:49,080
Yes, everything helps coming, bringing my shoes, everything else like that.

1748
02:04:49,100 --> 02:04:59,780
But if I have a business, I can't have those same things and they get counted towards the number of things that are coming.

1749
02:04:59,780 --> 02:05:04,780
Yeah, that was our discussion that we 12 that was what I understood the 6 the

1750
02:05:04,780 --> 02:05:11,520
livery trucks and 6 customers a day. Yeah, but were you including those Amazon trucks and your day

1751
02:05:11,520 --> 02:05:16,140
be able to distinguish between that they're bringing me something for my business or personal

1752
02:05:16,140 --> 02:05:21,440
residents. Yeah, because it's a traffic impact. So we said 12 traffic impacts basically was

1753
02:05:21,440 --> 02:05:27,600
the discussion. I don't remember that whatsoever being 12 traffic impacts. Well, that's my terminology

1754
02:05:27,600 --> 02:05:29,840
as you right now, but we did say it would include deliveries.

1755
02:05:30,800 --> 02:05:35,900
I thought we were fine with not counting the vehicles that was already here.

1756
02:05:36,040 --> 02:05:39,800
Like the post office and the Amazon truck.

1757
02:05:40,820 --> 02:05:41,540
Is that a museum?

1758
02:05:42,580 --> 02:05:45,920
Would be, I have a neighbor that gets 10 deliveries a day.

1759
02:05:46,140 --> 02:05:51,440
And if then he added on 12 customers, that's 22 coming to that single neighbor.

1760
02:05:52,100 --> 02:05:54,240
I would absolutely be concerned with that.

1761
02:06:02,670 --> 02:06:08,150
And then if you order something that's personal and something for your business from the same

1762
02:06:08,150 --> 02:06:10,770
vehicle, how do you know which one's which?

1763
02:06:10,890 --> 02:06:15,460
It's guidelines that we can use something about it.

1764
02:06:15,700 --> 02:06:19,020
We don't have anything to stop it, then there's nothing we can go back in the journal.

1765
02:06:19,040 --> 02:06:22,240
And how are you going to know if it's going for their business to mount them?

1766
02:06:23,420 --> 02:06:28,240
Well, are we jumping down to 9, are we going to do a 6.7, the time at 6am and 9pm?

1767
02:06:29,060 --> 02:06:30,120
I think so.

1768
02:06:30,180 --> 02:06:30,980
I don't even think about that.

1769
02:06:31,400 --> 02:06:36,340
The residential business may not generate traffic prior to 6pm, so that was...

1770
02:06:36,340 --> 02:06:37,040
Yeah, I think that was...

1771
02:06:37,040 --> 02:06:38,340
It just doesn't look until 7pm.

1772
02:06:38,540 --> 02:06:41,620
I know Jonathan wants to 6am for employees to come.

1773
02:06:42,100 --> 02:06:42,220
Yeah.

1774
02:06:42,240 --> 02:06:44,600
You need two more hours afterwards for employees to be done.

1775
02:06:44,920 --> 02:06:45,460
That's what I want.

1776
02:06:45,460 --> 02:06:47,100
That's not how that reads to me.

1777
02:06:48,280 --> 02:06:49,160
So my...

1778
02:06:49,160 --> 02:06:50,020
It's generating traffic.

1779
02:06:50,020 --> 02:06:52,960
That means you can have customers, you can have deliveries.

1780
02:06:53,420 --> 02:06:56,160
You still have the hours of operation, the one above, the top.

1781
02:06:56,160 --> 02:06:57,080
Right, but.

1782
02:06:57,600 --> 02:07:01,380
Seven, and a traffic includes delivery, shipping, and customers.

1783
02:07:01,720 --> 02:07:06,120
So it's, as I understood it, or mentioned to me, it's supposed to be at six to seven.

1784
02:07:06,640 --> 02:07:10,580
You're not actually opening your business, but you could have the other traffic during that time.

1785
02:07:13,110 --> 02:07:15,150
Delivery is so you can get ready for business.

1786
02:07:15,830 --> 02:07:16,010
Right.

1787
02:07:16,170 --> 02:07:17,190
Oh, share amount, generate.

1788
02:07:17,430 --> 02:07:18,650
I require traffic, including deliveries.

1789
02:07:26,090 --> 02:07:31,030
I think I'd be okay being short on 9 p.m. but I think, you know, I don't want to, yeah,

1790
02:07:31,150 --> 02:07:32,570
they cannot succeed on.

1791
02:07:32,990 --> 02:07:39,570
Do you want to, like, 6.30 or do you want to leave a 6, 7 a.m. to 7 p.m. so they can't generate

1792
02:07:39,570 --> 02:07:39,950
traffic.

1793
02:07:40,930 --> 02:07:41,290
Okay.

1794
02:07:41,410 --> 02:07:48,050
So you want to change that, and then I'm okay leaving it or changing it, so I see the

1795
02:07:48,050 --> 02:07:58,410
pros of both are in cons, but 9pm is 9pm a little late, what business wouldn't

1796
02:07:58,410 --> 02:07:59,270
need to stay open to 9.

1797
02:08:07,250 --> 02:08:09,890
Do we talk to some snare about that last time I can't remember.

1798
02:08:15,630 --> 02:08:23,650
Yeah, I'm just again nighttime. Yeah, the six makes a little more sense of a nine. I'm just trying to think of what we talked about the nine. I

1799
02:08:23,650 --> 02:08:31,220
don't know if you talked about the nine. I don't think we did. I just think right now the dark and we want to keep our

1800
02:08:31,220 --> 02:08:35,740
That's a lot of traffic for nine o'clock in the afternoon.

1801
02:08:37,060 --> 02:08:38,820
So, of course they make a conclusion to seven.

1802
02:08:38,960 --> 02:08:39,740
What are the two hours?

1803
02:08:39,900 --> 02:08:40,400
What are they going to be?

1804
02:08:41,140 --> 02:08:42,660
Why do we need that extra two hours?

1805
02:08:43,580 --> 02:08:46,420
This is what was left from the last time we talked about it.

1806
02:08:46,540 --> 02:08:50,140
We had the hours of operation and then we had this as a separate thing.

1807
02:08:50,720 --> 02:08:51,380
I never understood.

1808
02:08:51,940 --> 02:08:58,680
So, I'm assuming it would allow a delivery to happen at eight o'clock to the owner

1809
02:08:59,120 --> 02:09:02,940
who runs the business that can pick up their delivery at 8 o'clock after their

1810
02:09:02,940 --> 02:09:03,760
customers are gone.

1811
02:09:06,280 --> 02:09:10,440
Wrap up any internal work where they're not like open for

1812
02:09:10,440 --> 02:09:14,680
business like to the public but they need to finish up some paperwork and then

1813
02:09:14,680 --> 02:09:19,860
the employee leaves at 8.30 or something. The typical thing we're going to lose at

1814
02:09:19,860 --> 02:09:24,200
2 a.m. or 4 a.m. you know I mean like things to me hard. I didn't even

1815
02:09:24,200 --> 02:09:26,560
morning one makes a little more sense that eating when I just don't know how

1816
02:09:26,560 --> 02:09:31,160
your name. I guess if a big truck's pulling up at 2 a.m. wake up your neighbor every night,

1817
02:09:31,180 --> 02:09:36,280
but I just don't see that happening, but could you guys won't leave at 8 a.m. or 8 a.m.

1818
02:09:36,400 --> 02:09:36,920
8 a.m.?

1819
02:09:36,920 --> 02:09:37,520
We put 7 better.

1820
02:09:39,850 --> 02:09:40,790
Oh, 8 a.m.

1821
02:09:41,090 --> 02:09:42,130
Do you want to ask what the 8 a.m.?

1822
02:09:42,130 --> 02:09:43,330
I'm like 8 p.m.?

1823
02:09:43,330 --> 02:09:46,650
Well, with these hours per hit, it's a pretty like 8 p.m. because it's a general contractor.

1824
02:09:47,470 --> 02:09:51,870
Sometimes we're at jobsites at 10 o'clock at night and we're coming home at 11 a.m.

1825
02:09:51,950 --> 02:09:52,070
at midnight.

1826
02:09:52,610 --> 02:09:54,770
With all the theft we've been having a bridal walk.

1827
02:09:54,770 --> 02:10:00,570
I've been doing night patrols at midnight and 1 a.m., which technically is

1828
02:10:01,870 --> 02:10:07,190
Work traffic if you were to dial it up that way, and so I'm just wondering if

1829
02:10:07,650 --> 02:10:09,750
If something like this would

1830
02:10:10,410 --> 02:10:14,790
For him at me from doing that because it's I guess there's someone called on you and said yes

1831
02:10:14,790 --> 02:10:16,310
I was over there and they're making ruckus

1832
02:10:16,930 --> 02:10:18,150
I guess the way would

1833
02:10:20,410 --> 02:10:21,930
He's the owner and he's not

1834
02:10:21,930 --> 02:10:24,530
It's not, it's not as employees, customers,

1835
02:10:24,910 --> 02:10:27,090
he's the owner, the key owners go into their house.

1836
02:10:27,230 --> 02:10:28,630
We're not saying if I'm on work,

1837
02:10:29,810 --> 02:10:31,650
and I'm coming home after nine o'clock

1838
02:10:32,030 --> 02:10:33,750
because I was working, I can't come home

1839
02:10:34,370 --> 02:10:36,590
if my business is based out of my house.

1840
02:10:37,230 --> 02:10:38,290
Well, how is it?

1841
02:10:38,310 --> 02:10:39,210
Yeah, the good question.

1842
02:10:39,590 --> 02:10:40,950
To make sense, like the owner can always

1843
02:10:40,950 --> 02:10:42,470
freely move around in all hours,

1844
02:10:42,470 --> 02:10:43,110
because they look.

1845
02:10:43,650 --> 02:10:45,170
Potentially it couldn't include that.

1846
02:10:45,470 --> 02:10:48,130
So this is also back to John's question.

1847
02:10:48,350 --> 02:10:49,630
So very first sentence,

1848
02:10:52,340 --> 02:10:53,120
we're talking about basically

1849
02:10:53,120 --> 02:10:59,080
what is the definition of traffic? Right now it includes delivery, shipping and customer

1850
02:10:59,080 --> 02:11:05,000
visits, we could just say meaning delivery, shipping and customer visits. So that's the

1851
02:11:05,000 --> 02:11:10,220
only thing we're considering as a traffic impact. And that definition of traffic is only

1852
02:11:10,220 --> 02:11:17,560
tied to this ordinance, not our other traffic. This is all just, yeah. So we could say meaning

1853
02:11:17,560 --> 02:11:24,720
deliveries and then we could John's question, do you want to exempt your common carrier type

1854
02:11:26,480 --> 02:11:33,360
package delivery services, USPS? Here's why, don't. If we stick with 12, which I think is too

1855
02:11:33,360 --> 02:11:38,900
many also, that's on average. Most deliveries will get a few a day, but you're not going to get 12

1856
02:11:38,900 --> 02:11:44,200
deliveries a day every day. If you are, we're going to get you out of the house.

1857
02:11:46,260 --> 02:11:54,020
I see your points. I think on the flip side, though, I mean, the Christmas November, I think Amazon hit my house three times one day for my business or personal personal personal.

1858
02:11:54,160 --> 02:12:03,880
So this is business, yeah, deliveries for business, but when you time exempt, I thought that's where our discussion might not someone's personal orders for their home and their family and all that.

1859
02:12:04,000 --> 02:12:04,760
It was the business.

1860
02:12:05,000 --> 02:12:10,880
But if someone calls from the city, they don't know the difference like because I do order some business stuff around.

1861
02:12:10,880 --> 02:12:16,760
but we'll have multiple, well, I don't know, we're going with the enforcement, but if the

1862
02:12:16,760 --> 02:12:21,260
complainant process is three, and someone calls in three different people, three different

1863
02:12:21,260 --> 02:12:26,340
homes, it says, boy, there's road delivery trucks here every day plus this may cost, I would

1864
02:12:26,340 --> 02:12:28,040
think we want to look at that, that's a problem,

1865
02:12:30,100 --> 02:12:32,020
especially on 8,000 square feet long over

1866
02:12:32,020 --> 02:12:34,160
there, with cars parked on the street.

1867
02:12:34,660 --> 02:12:41,400
I think, I see your points, I think it's just hard to Amazon, I think it's hard even

1868
02:12:41,400 --> 02:12:46,380
trying to gauge that but I see your point. And because I was thinking about this

1869
02:12:46,380 --> 02:12:50,220
goes back to the parking agreements with neighbors. The yard cell thing's not needed.

1870
02:12:50,340 --> 02:12:57,080
If we leave it at 12, it's an average. So if he has a yard cell where he has 50 or 60

1871
02:12:57,080 --> 02:13:01,600
vehicles but then he has no traffic for a month, he's got all those days that he's

1872
02:13:01,600 --> 02:13:06,560
at zero traffic. So when we say it's on average if that's a terminal we use, we're

1873
02:13:06,560 --> 02:13:10,420
not going to impact him. When you use on average you have to define

1874
02:13:10,420 --> 02:13:15,540
When you're taking that average. Yeah, but that's if we're going to use on average, we're going to define that, right?

1875
02:13:15,960 --> 02:13:20,640
It hasn't been defined yet. Well, if it's in that language, we got it to find it.

1876
02:13:20,640 --> 02:13:25,500
If it's not, then we're going to look at that further down. Do you want to define this right now? You guys in the vote?

1877
02:13:25,920 --> 02:13:28,940
We're not to that section. This is not even there.

1878
02:13:30,080 --> 02:13:33,580
But why don't we, why don't we, let's go down, let's keep going.

1879
02:13:34,080 --> 02:13:36,520
So we get held up. Rob, if you want to make a little note on that, please.

1880
02:13:37,380 --> 02:13:41,560
I think we can vote if we want to exempt the delivery trucks or not, because I think it should be included.

1881
02:13:42,500 --> 02:13:43,200
I don't know what to do.

1882
02:13:43,640 --> 02:13:45,500
I just think it's going to be almost impossible to gauge.

1883
02:13:46,160 --> 02:13:50,100
I mean, I see your points very about the point.

1884
02:13:50,300 --> 02:13:52,600
So they just come around.

1885
02:13:52,660 --> 02:13:53,680
I mean, I drive to Salt Lake the more.

1886
02:13:53,780 --> 02:13:56,360
I see like 20 Amazon trucks coming towards the toll county.

1887
02:13:56,480 --> 02:13:57,760
Other things like a built-in warehouse there.

1888
02:13:57,900 --> 02:13:59,980
But I think it'd be very hard to gauge.

1889
02:14:00,160 --> 02:14:02,600
But I mean, we have a nuisance thing where three people call.

1890
02:14:02,860 --> 02:14:05,280
I mean, then we can at least take some action at that point.

1891
02:14:05,280 --> 02:14:06,420
Like he was going on here

1892
02:14:07,680 --> 02:14:10,100
What do I'll have me John what do you guys think?

1893
02:14:13,550 --> 02:14:13,950
No

1894
02:14:15,430 --> 02:14:17,110
We need to sign got him all rather

1895
02:14:22,690 --> 02:14:23,090
Okay

1896
02:14:31,650 --> 02:14:35,350
So let's let's talk with hours and are you okay with six and nine p.m.?

1897
02:14:36,150 --> 02:14:40,030
versus like with which Rob's changing for like other business owners are right

1898
02:14:40,030 --> 02:14:44,570
here. I think I'm okay with Lee you know if you guys want to do APN I'm okay

1899
02:14:44,570 --> 02:14:50,090
doing that but I think I think I think eight is plenty late enough that's an

1900
02:14:50,090 --> 02:14:59,010
hour shoulder on both sides okay any reason why do we wouldn't do nine

1901
02:15:00,690 --> 02:15:11,570
Well, can you tell me any reason why they would be giving deliveries for their business? I don't know. I've just seen there's anything else out there before we kind of ex-naed.

1902
02:15:13,870 --> 02:15:32,070
I don't know. I don't know. I have. Are you guys can't see the chances of making up? So Jordan, based on your question, it now reads, shall not generate required traffic, meaning delivery shipping and customer visits. Is that a leave-at-your concern? That's a good point. Thank you.

1903
02:15:32,970 --> 02:15:46,030
I'm okay with six to eight, okay, six to eight, okay, let's go down to, if there was no that one, I agreed to let me live at the time 6.8, I think that's pretty standard.

1904
02:15:48,290 --> 02:16:01,850
Seven residential business considerations, we talk about sales tax, so we encourage, well, sales tax has reached, this is engaged in residential business or responsible reporting, collecting, remitting, all applicable, sales tax of proper gathering authority, if required.

1905
02:16:01,850 --> 02:16:04,370
is the responsibility of this residential business owner

1906
02:16:04,370 --> 02:16:06,130
to comply with state and local tax regulations.

1907
02:16:06,950 --> 02:16:08,590
I don't think anybody has any options that.

1908
02:16:09,830 --> 02:16:09,950
Done?

1909
02:16:10,930 --> 02:16:11,690
No, no.

1910
02:16:12,330 --> 02:16:13,950
Insurance, we put 7.2.

1911
02:16:14,270 --> 02:16:15,870
This is your recommendation that residential businesses

1912
02:16:15,870 --> 02:16:18,170
consider obtaining liability insurance

1913
02:16:18,170 --> 02:16:19,470
or other types of insurance for themselves

1914
02:16:19,470 --> 02:16:21,030
and their business for potential loss of damage.

1915
02:16:21,550 --> 02:16:25,110
The need for interest may, and I think very

1916
02:16:25,110 --> 02:16:26,330
dependent on the nature of business.

1917
02:16:27,470 --> 02:16:30,210
Sometimes I worry about us requiring

1918
02:16:37,710 --> 02:16:44,610
I'm just thinking like that I can't come back and like well you don't require it or suggest it so it's a suggestion it's not required but

1919
02:16:45,090 --> 02:16:52,270
which is that I agree Kathleen on hers too like do you should just take the one out or do you think it actually protects the city a little bit by saying hey well we encourage you.

1920
02:16:52,270 --> 02:16:59,790
I know more education. Sorry Tom. More educational. I was going to say I don't think that it affects the city at all. I think it's

1921
02:17:00,530 --> 02:17:01,490
trying to be

1922
02:17:02,190 --> 02:17:09,830
Good with the businesses that are there and saying hey, this is maybe something that you haven't considered because the whole idea of home-based

1923
02:17:10,610 --> 02:17:18,590
Businesses or home occupations and somebody's like I'm going to try something out. Let's see if it works and they're probably going to be pretty inexperienced

1924
02:17:18,590 --> 02:17:24,370
to doing something. If they weren't in experience of doing something, they'd be going somewhere

1925
02:17:24,370 --> 02:17:33,430
else and doing some other thing that, like, these are the people trying to put food on

1926
02:17:33,430 --> 02:17:38,250
their cable. Well, I like that point about having a concern about cabling too. Like, is this

1927
02:17:38,250 --> 02:17:42,890
or is it, oh, you should really admit that some people will take that as a literal, oh, I need insurance

1928
02:17:42,890 --> 02:17:47,170
because our feedback on that and some public is going to always, don't tell me what to do,

1929
02:17:48,470 --> 02:17:51,410
I think this is great. What you said, John, I absolutely agree.

1930
02:17:51,650 --> 02:17:54,650
Does that more in the application process? We put that on the form.

1931
02:17:55,170 --> 02:17:56,350
May we register with the city?

1932
02:17:56,710 --> 02:17:58,530
Yeah, it's kind of like, so maybe maybe.

1933
02:17:58,630 --> 02:18:00,250
So these are things you might want to consider.

1934
02:18:00,830 --> 02:18:02,130
That's what this is saying.

1935
02:18:02,490 --> 02:18:03,990
Pass it. Versus considerations.

1936
02:18:04,350 --> 02:18:09,510
Okay. I'm okay with either or I think as long as we have an educational piece,

1937
02:18:09,670 --> 02:18:10,930
the register here you go.

1938
02:18:14,370 --> 02:18:15,490
John's for leaving it.

1939
02:18:16,350 --> 02:18:23,330
I'm okay leaving it. I don't see hurting us. I don't see a hurting person that's reading

1940
02:18:23,330 --> 02:18:23,850
through it.

1941
02:18:26,030 --> 02:18:29,850
I guess there is always the option that somebody would say, oh well, now I'm

1942
02:18:29,850 --> 02:18:35,670
required to get insurance, but it doesn't say that. Do you want to scratch or leave it?

1943
02:18:35,690 --> 02:18:38,530
If you remove it, then you open up the city.

1944
02:18:41,530 --> 02:18:42,510
Oh, is that true, Robert?

1945
02:19:24,240 --> 02:19:31,880
Okay, let's move on. Okay, we got through there. 7.3, anything on that one? I don't really have any things on that one.

1946
02:19:33,960 --> 02:19:37,600
Yeah, that's a good one. The more educational on that one, right, Rob? 10.3.

1947
02:19:37,600 --> 02:19:43,940
I have a question on the ADA since you're limiting the science ADA science don't count.

1948
02:19:44,200 --> 02:19:45,320
You definitely don't count that.

1949
02:19:51,940 --> 02:19:55,500
I have a council trying to cite someone putting an ADA sign.

1950
02:19:56,860 --> 02:19:58,040
I will be right there with you.

1951
02:19:59,220 --> 02:20:01,720
If you want it to be complex though because I do want it alone.

1952
02:20:01,720 --> 02:20:07,040
Yeah, yeah, if it's catered private property you have different requirements and public property

1953
02:20:07,040 --> 02:20:14,160
It's all really complex. So we didn't even try to explain what the ID requirements are we say there are some you should go

1954
02:20:14,160 --> 02:20:20,420
Educate yourself if you're open to the public. It's also protects residents from suits. Yeah, I've seen small

1955
02:20:20,420 --> 02:20:26,040
This is shut down because they didn't have our ramp over a two-step thing and yeah

1956
02:20:26,040 --> 02:20:30,600
So with these two parents really hard when you don't want people to watch our phone all your life

1957
02:20:30,600 --> 02:20:35,460
Do we have anything here as a city is not liable for any business owner or fails to obtain insurance or comply with 88?

1958
02:20:35,920 --> 02:20:38,260
We don't need to we're not responsible for them to do it.

1959
02:20:39,900 --> 02:20:44,820
We actually might be if we tell them to do it and we don't check on it still not really but

1960
02:20:45,240 --> 02:20:49,400
say we said you must provide proof of insurance you know your commercial general liability insurance

1961
02:20:49,400 --> 02:20:54,480
went to your business license application and then we approved a business license and we didn't check that

1962
02:20:54,480 --> 02:21:00,420
so I might say you should have checked that that's why they don't since like okay we still wouldn't be held liable for it

1963
02:21:00,600 --> 02:21:02,300
But someone might try to throw that at the same time.

1964
02:21:03,360 --> 02:21:06,600
This is, just so you're aware when you're starting a home-based business,

1965
02:21:06,860 --> 02:21:09,300
these are some considerations, I think it's great education.

1966
02:21:09,760 --> 02:21:09,920
Okay.

1967
02:21:11,920 --> 02:21:14,640
So we're on 7.4 unless I may have some more questions.

1968
02:21:15,500 --> 02:21:18,240
I'm still concerned it says it's placed up on the hosting site.

1969
02:21:19,160 --> 02:21:25,280
It seems like it had a registration process and everything and they give their tax ID.

1970
02:21:25,420 --> 02:21:26,280
Are you on 7.3 rent?

1971
02:21:26,620 --> 02:21:27,700
Oh, I thought you said 7.4.

1972
02:21:27,900 --> 02:21:29,320
No, it's 7.4, yes, go ahead.

1973
02:21:34,760 --> 02:21:37,420
because it's the government's responsibility for tax collection.

1974
02:21:38,220 --> 02:21:41,780
It's the person's responsibility for rewriting this,

1975
02:21:41,880 --> 02:21:46,860
but the business owner is not a tax collector.

1976
02:21:51,500 --> 02:21:53,940
The same hosting site would be the one that they did the show.

1977
02:21:54,000 --> 02:21:58,220
But that's really worried for rewriting an Airbnb or a company collected for us.

1978
02:21:58,320 --> 02:22:01,600
That's not proper. It should be the homeowner that's operating.

1979
02:22:02,220 --> 02:22:03,380
Would it be good to do both?

1980
02:22:04,560 --> 02:22:07,400
If they're operating through the hosting site then it is.

1981
02:22:07,400 --> 02:22:21,620
I can show you three right now that it's going to tell me still and one that's going to Lake Wentz city, but the state the hosting site still collecting the taxes, but we can't hold them responsible for the hosting site to give the tax.

1982
02:22:21,780 --> 02:22:24,420
You can only know the owner responsible to file it.

1983
02:22:24,700 --> 02:22:26,080
Did you do both wrong?

1984
02:22:27,220 --> 02:22:30,300
Can you pose something in there to cover both?

1985
02:22:30,300 --> 02:22:36,220
All right, and I'll send it where we can't have you told me so I can tell Jim to have that over.

1986
02:22:36,820 --> 02:22:40,480
Yes, we sent some to the hospital's site or on there as well.

1987
02:22:40,500 --> 02:22:41,620
I know they're going to count me.

1988
02:22:41,740 --> 02:22:42,000
There we go.

1989
02:22:42,120 --> 02:22:43,400
Do you guys look as like for Rich?

1990
02:22:43,440 --> 02:22:43,980
You just put both.

1991
02:22:45,040 --> 02:22:46,000
I think that'd be okay.

1992
02:22:46,160 --> 02:22:48,300
Because Jim would switch that over to tell me.

1993
02:22:49,320 --> 02:22:51,860
Well, most I think most residents want to help out there city.

1994
02:22:52,120 --> 02:22:54,140
No, we'll know what Jim's the state of Utah.

1995
02:22:54,400 --> 02:22:54,720
Oh.

1996
02:22:55,540 --> 02:22:58,660
Some of this falls to the owner to do the right thing saying what they live.

1997
02:22:58,660 --> 02:23:03,460
When they put a 407 for it goes to through the county without identifying it has to go to like the city

1998
02:23:03,860 --> 02:23:09,780
I've got screenshots. I'll send you tonight because there was a complaint in whatever meetings that don't tell us what to do

1999
02:23:09,780 --> 02:23:15,260
Well, I pulled them up and they're not coming to us. They're going to the county only one that I found that's actually says

2000
02:23:16,360 --> 02:23:22,540
Transuit tax point city. Do you like do you like Rob's thing it clues a hosting site as long as that fixes and owner should we do end owner?

2001
02:23:24,300 --> 02:23:27,460
but I don't know if it's the owner's fault that it's going to work.

2002
02:23:27,480 --> 02:23:29,460
Well, I mean, it just holds them more, both accountable.

2003
02:23:29,700 --> 02:23:30,460
I mean, they're not in there.

2004
02:23:30,720 --> 02:23:33,840
I mean, we're good with horror and on that rub.

2005
02:23:34,780 --> 02:23:34,920
Yeah.

2006
02:23:35,240 --> 02:23:36,080
Okay, you guys watch.

2007
02:23:36,260 --> 02:23:36,980
I'm okay with it.

2008
02:23:37,000 --> 02:23:37,700
I think it makes it broader.

2009
02:23:37,860 --> 02:23:42,520
So, definition of short-term reno is that, like, 130 days.

2010
02:23:44,120 --> 02:23:45,320
Yep, 130 days.

2011
02:23:45,780 --> 02:23:47,360
Well, 30 days are best.

2012
02:23:48,360 --> 02:23:49,880
Just Airbnb requires.

2013
02:23:56,040 --> 02:24:03,420
I think that's something that we'd have Rob or a city would we send a letter to them.

2014
02:24:03,420 --> 02:24:07,920
They have a corporate mailbox number and then what happens they would, you know,

2015
02:24:07,980 --> 02:24:09,840
coordinate with us on that somehow, in some way.

2016
02:24:09,880 --> 02:24:11,660
It takes some effort on our end for sure.

2017
02:24:11,660 --> 02:24:12,260
I'm

2018
02:24:14,560 --> 02:24:20,150
going to be up here just trying to think of the tax and how to get that over to us.

2019
02:24:20,750 --> 02:24:21,970
We need to go through those.

2020
02:24:22,150 --> 02:24:24,690
We need to update their after us.

2021
02:24:24,750 --> 02:24:29,710
You need to do it with a pay for 0,7,4 and then you have to find the map for the code.

2022
02:24:31,490 --> 02:24:35,090
So, look, say you might get some of the owners you'd update their listing so that's why I'm telling you.

2023
02:24:35,150 --> 02:24:36,630
You have to go through the owner.

2024
02:24:37,110 --> 02:24:37,510
That would be good.

2025
02:24:37,730 --> 02:24:39,090
Well, I don't know if we need it in there.

2026
02:24:39,550 --> 02:24:42,510
This is just me after a year of dealing with the tax.

2027
02:24:42,670 --> 02:24:42,970
Oh yeah.

2028
02:24:43,390 --> 02:24:48,810
Maybe we didn't talk to the owner and say hey you make sure that you've updated you put last four on and you make sure you say

2029
02:24:48,810 --> 02:24:53,470
Like point we're new city and you're you know Airbnb or whatever may not have that up well once again

2030
02:24:53,470 --> 02:24:58,870
I think it's an educational thing to put in I think you put in I think put it in their room. I think I think it's good

2031
02:25:00,250 --> 02:25:02,430
Do we have that in there with the show you?

2032
02:25:02,650 --> 02:25:09,110
This is where it says to me to accounting on a call so before with the there's one

2033
02:25:12,970 --> 02:25:13,210
Okay.

2034
02:25:13,530 --> 02:25:15,350
Could change the user and how they do it.

2035
02:25:15,650 --> 02:25:19,670
You know, because we have had this conversation, sorry, moving away on track, oh, referring.

2036
02:25:20,050 --> 02:25:20,230
Sorry.

2037
02:25:21,150 --> 02:25:25,650
Because, you know, those stupid automated systems that you put in 84074 and automatically

2038
02:25:25,650 --> 02:25:26,670
can talk to you too little.

2039
02:25:26,750 --> 02:25:27,190
Too little again.

2040
02:25:27,530 --> 02:25:30,630
And I've had several, you know, couple of citizens call and say, can you get that answer

2041
02:25:30,630 --> 02:25:30,950
away?

2042
02:25:31,370 --> 02:25:31,590
Yeah.

2043
02:25:31,950 --> 02:25:32,210
I don't know.

2044
02:25:32,510 --> 02:25:32,690
Yeah.

2045
02:25:33,150 --> 02:25:33,690
I'll try.

2046
02:25:34,170 --> 02:25:38,990
I don't know if we have to go about getting that automatic population to it and go to us.

2047
02:25:40,050 --> 02:25:42,890
Is there anything Robert could tweak on that to suffice?

2048
02:25:46,150 --> 02:25:48,430
Okay. Are you guys okay with this or do you want an owner?

2049
02:25:48,610 --> 02:25:53,470
This one in combination if we vote for the registration and we require the sales tax

2050
02:25:53,470 --> 02:25:55,630
ID that will allow us to file with the state also.

2051
02:25:55,810 --> 02:26:00,750
Yeah. Well and I think Kathleen's communicating and they just say here's the tax ID number

2052
02:26:00,750 --> 02:26:04,750
and here's other things and I think it'll be fine. I mean the state's going to follow the

2053
02:26:04,750 --> 02:26:05,930
request from the state, right Kathleen?

2054
02:26:06,390 --> 02:26:10,610
If we have, if we shall then that's our city and they can move it over if it's a identified

2055
02:26:10,610 --> 02:26:14,490
business within like point then he'll move it over to the state supersedes the

2056
02:26:14,490 --> 02:26:19,850
I have to I would I've never done it with it. I've never talked to him about it being me. Any of the other

2057
02:26:19,850 --> 02:26:24,990
businesses is he knows it's in a like point boundary he moves it over into our tax. So do you want to host

2058
02:26:24,990 --> 02:26:32,010
inside end? Here's where I can show you just for events. I'll have to use that at the point. So thank you.

2059
02:26:32,010 --> 02:26:34,010
We got him right, some don't.

2060
02:26:34,010 --> 02:26:36,730
We still still on there though, Ryan, does it hitting both?

2061
02:26:37,090 --> 02:26:40,910
So yes, it still gets money.

2062
02:26:41,330 --> 02:26:41,850
That's why our...

2063
02:26:41,850 --> 02:26:42,150
Okay.

2064
02:26:43,850 --> 02:26:46,150
So there's two though, so local cells,

2065
02:26:46,150 --> 02:26:48,530
the new stack for cell stacks, and transit room tax

2066
02:26:48,530 --> 02:26:49,690
is still going to do it.

2067
02:26:49,850 --> 02:26:50,050
Okay.

2068
02:26:50,930 --> 02:26:53,710
So the transit tax is not coming with it.

2069
02:26:53,850 --> 02:26:55,690
The transit is going to help us.

2070
02:26:56,790 --> 02:26:58,390
I'll be okay for and owner.

2071
02:27:00,430 --> 02:27:12,130
I just want to make sure that's coming here not going to be good for hosting site and owner, so that way it's like, well, the hosting site, that way it includes both, are you guys okay on that?

2072
02:27:17,700 --> 02:27:21,580
Moving on, let's be having objections, 7.5 inspections.

2073
02:27:24,710 --> 02:27:27,570
I'm okay, I think exactly changing the amount of rub, everything is good.

2074
02:27:28,050 --> 02:27:34,210
Okay, eight, 8.1, yep, this is where a type of small motor appliance is, rather you put welding.

2075
02:27:34,570 --> 02:27:37,550
I have the comment on the minimum head welding type things.

2076
02:27:41,060 --> 02:27:41,920
Do we do anything else?

2077
02:27:42,240 --> 02:27:46,880
So, basically, as these are not operated, this is the fact that definition of home-based businesses

2078
02:27:46,880 --> 02:27:48,820
are the ones that may have the off-site impacts.

2079
02:27:49,960 --> 02:27:53,840
This says, if you're repairing your servicing vehicles, we're going to consider you a home-based business,

2080
02:27:53,860 --> 02:27:54,800
not a home occupation.

2081
02:27:55,440 --> 02:28:00,080
So you have to comply with home-based business rules, which means you get a business license

2082
02:28:00,080 --> 02:28:02,560
if you have some parking issues if you have parking.

2083
02:28:04,140 --> 02:28:09,700
You also had under 8.1.2 is where everything has to be stored and work on inside of the

2084
02:28:09,700 --> 02:28:10,060
structure.

2085
02:28:10,960 --> 02:28:16,360
And then 8.1.3 is you have to have the inspections, make sure you have your oil traps and just

2086
02:28:16,360 --> 02:28:17,640
also things all proper.

2087
02:28:18,740 --> 02:28:19,700
I feel good about that.

2088
02:28:19,740 --> 02:28:20,620
We discussed that one in line.

2089
02:28:20,760 --> 02:28:22,200
I feel like last time I thought we did pretty good.

2090
02:28:22,200 --> 02:28:25,060
If you guys want to tweet that at all, I think it sounds great.

2091
02:28:25,420 --> 02:28:30,860
The 8.1.2, work outside of the structure is not permitted.

2092
02:28:32,020 --> 02:28:33,940
As in, well, maybe you can divide well.

2093
02:28:34,660 --> 02:28:37,780
If you're defying more as in like, we're just thinking if it's properly been inside of

2094
02:28:37,780 --> 02:28:38,040
building.

2095
02:28:39,200 --> 02:28:41,360
Depends on what you're doing, because...

2096
02:28:41,900 --> 02:28:44,320
Well, if your home supplies and stuff, I guess that would be...

2097
02:28:45,060 --> 02:28:46,520
If you're at building?

2098
02:28:46,520 --> 02:28:54,840
If you're servicing or repairing, it depends on what you're qualifying that out.

2099
02:28:54,920 --> 02:28:57,060
Yeah, we could define a little bit better if you want.

2100
02:28:57,500 --> 02:28:59,600
Just, I don't see,

2101
02:29:03,820 --> 02:29:08,000
there's some things that would be easier to be done outside of the building.

2102
02:29:10,720 --> 02:29:22,720
my neighbor has a as a welder and my sister-in-law had a trailer that the

2103
02:29:22,720 --> 02:29:27,520
step had broken off of it and it couldn't fit into any place but he could

2104
02:29:27,520 --> 02:29:31,380
halt his welder machine equipment out there and in the yard he was able to

2105
02:29:31,380 --> 02:29:34,100
weld it in about five minutes time and that was good.

2106
02:29:43,380 --> 02:29:53,460
I'm just saying there's different types of work outside of a structure that has to be,

2107
02:29:54,040 --> 02:29:59,740
or would be very useful to the outside of this structure, if it allowed to go along the

2108
02:29:59,740 --> 02:29:59,980
line.

2109
02:30:01,500 --> 02:30:03,200
Repair or services of vehicles.

2110
02:30:05,380 --> 02:30:14,520
I think what you're talking John, I'd support if it was on a home occupation only, but if they can have five welders out there working outside the structure, I'm absolutely concerned with that.

2111
02:30:16,580 --> 02:30:25,620
Five people pumping away at welding out on the property. But that would hit the sound, right on the news. There's a lot of things that are exempt during the day time.

2112
02:30:29,280 --> 02:30:34,400
I don't have enough information, that was a tough one.

2113
02:30:34,880 --> 02:30:37,260
Do all the any suggestions on that?

2114
02:30:37,560 --> 02:30:41,480
You have, I mean, I know you're a farmer, but I have too many suggestions on that, but

2115
02:30:41,480 --> 02:30:43,460
I have concerns about the 813.

2116
02:30:44,740 --> 02:30:45,060
Okay.

2117
02:30:45,800 --> 02:30:49,600
You never have any tractor work done?

2118
02:30:50,320 --> 02:30:54,460
Of course, you said you exempted that, but I'm just...

2119
02:30:54,460 --> 02:31:01,200
I'm just somebody's working on it, because like you might have an agricultural rural zone

2120
02:31:01,200 --> 02:31:05,100
allowing a bunch of cars repaired in the yard and take up dozens of cars on it.

2121
02:31:05,100 --> 02:31:12,380
Maybe you could say it's temporary permitted, there's a not permitted at all, because maybe

2122
02:31:12,380 --> 02:31:17,640
you know they did bring their RV over and say hey, I mean it's requiring this to be inside.

2123
02:31:18,100 --> 02:31:18,360
Yeah.

2124
02:31:18,840 --> 02:31:22,580
I'm just thinking you might have those, you might have something that we're occasionally

2125
02:31:22,580 --> 02:31:28,740
like RV the steps are on metal right now usually rusts the junk but are you guys okay do you

2126
02:31:28,740 --> 02:31:34,040
may do say usually you just drag them across the rock as you're going over the rock few roads and

2127
02:31:34,560 --> 02:31:40,060
cool a lot you have to fix them. Rob do you have any suggestions on that on the conversation?

2128
02:31:42,920 --> 02:31:48,660
My only thought is this is meant as a business regulation yeah so it's not someone just doing it for

2129
02:31:48,660 --> 02:31:49,420
their own stuff.

2130
02:31:51,990 --> 02:31:55,630
But if you are seeing, I don't know whether you want me not. Well,

2131
02:31:55,630 --> 02:31:59,810
but this is just what I want. And enough yet, any other ideas to roll off what we're

2132
02:31:59,810 --> 02:32:04,470
talking or discussing. Oh, so sometimes bring into their location and it's not their personal

2133
02:32:04,470 --> 02:32:08,450
world, and it's not there. If you bring your trailer to your friend's house to have them

2134
02:32:08,450 --> 02:32:12,950
welded quickly, that's on a home occupation. Yeah, you know, they're welded, but they work

2135
02:32:12,950 --> 02:32:17,810
you know, up on jobs such whatever, they're just doing it as a favor. That's not considered

2136
02:32:17,810 --> 02:32:22,710
I don't know how much patient or business that's been followed is that's just then doing the favor for a friend

2137
02:32:23,170 --> 02:32:27,430
This is you have a shop that's set up to do this type of repair work

2138
02:32:28,090 --> 02:32:34,630
You're saying inside person needs to be inside some kind of shop building barn something. Okay

2139
02:32:35,550 --> 02:32:41,790
And then that that goes on to say I'll be able to put on appliances to be serviced repair

2140
02:32:45,710 --> 02:32:52,890
must be stored, worked on, maintained, repaired within that storage and work outside of the structure is not permitted.

2141
02:32:53,230 --> 02:32:55,790
So if they fix something, they can't keep it on the outside.

2142
02:32:55,790 --> 02:33:02,330
So if it's a lot more, they fixed and they have several, they can't keep it on the outside.

2143
02:33:02,650 --> 02:33:06,110
Would you as be open to maybe on the storage?

2144
02:33:06,790 --> 02:33:08,810
Which would affect some of our residents right now?

2145
02:33:08,810 --> 02:33:16,790
I'm just saying, if you guys are open to out-of-you and then they have option to like they can store some things.

2146
02:33:16,850 --> 02:33:25,090
I don't have an acre but if I could store 40 refridges and stoves and everything on my property and they're all under repair, that's a big deal to the community.

2147
02:33:25,670 --> 02:33:31,250
You'd lie on your property if the planet says I get what we're saying on our current guys.

2148
02:33:31,250 --> 02:33:41,450
Like like Mike has, like, 10, 5 to 10, I'm like, yeah, legally operating prior to this ordinance.

2149
02:33:47,010 --> 02:33:51,050
It would impact the new videos like that.

2150
02:33:53,590 --> 02:33:58,270
So I get what we're saying, we get small moors, I don't know that we want to impact that way.

2151
02:33:58,270 --> 02:34:03,730
if there's going to be new ones, anything existing that's legal is not exactly grandfathered,

2152
02:34:03,770 --> 02:34:04,170
not confirmed.

2153
02:34:04,610 --> 02:34:08,790
Or you do, or maybe you could do something with that to Millic so often, you can't

2154
02:34:08,790 --> 02:34:09,470
have a stationery.

2155
02:34:09,630 --> 02:34:13,630
I guess the example came from our own financial aid, as you do that, and I'll put 20 vehicles

2156
02:34:13,630 --> 02:34:17,430
on my lot, and I'll be under repair, and that's what we're trying to prevent, right?

2157
02:34:18,010 --> 02:34:18,610
Limiting that.

2158
02:34:20,090 --> 02:34:25,610
I think you're coming from that, and then John's coming from the point of like, well, I don't

2159
02:34:25,610 --> 02:34:27,070
I'm in all the way

2160
02:34:27,070 --> 02:34:29,730
Is there something we can I think carving out like

2161
02:34:32,490 --> 02:34:37,410
appliances I agree I don't want like 20. Yeah, I don't want 2030 appliances. I mean, yeah, Jordan

2162
02:34:37,810 --> 02:34:41,110
Oh, sorry, sir chair. Just oh, sorry chair

2163
02:34:42,770 --> 02:34:47,390
Okay, you guys have a practice that all year long. I didn't I did choice it. I

2164
02:34:47,850 --> 02:34:55,210
Just to go along with what John said I have a piece of construction equipment that's so big that it won't fit my garage

2165
02:34:56,110 --> 02:35:01,710
And usually I'm not working on it, but two to three times a year, something will break on it and I have to repair it.

2166
02:35:01,870 --> 02:35:05,950
And it's outside on my property when I'm repairing it.

2167
02:35:06,090 --> 02:35:13,890
And it doesn't impact the neighbors, but it has to be done out there because I'm not going to fill the 40 by 40 shop for the two repairs.

2168
02:35:13,890 --> 02:35:15,490
I'm making a year on that piece of equipment.

2169
02:35:15,630 --> 02:35:18,450
And I think our attorneys, that would be your personal.

2170
02:35:18,650 --> 02:35:21,470
If you had that business, you're bringing things in that big to repair.

2171
02:35:21,610 --> 02:35:22,830
That's what this would apply to you.

2172
02:35:22,830 --> 02:35:30,710
Does that mean that it says any residential business, which I am, that repairs or services construction equipment,

2173
02:35:31,130 --> 02:35:34,230
which it's my work's construction equipment.

2174
02:35:35,410 --> 02:35:40,570
So as it reads, that would prohibit me from making that repair of the whole site.

2175
02:35:40,950 --> 02:35:45,070
Which his business is a repair for construction equipment, but it's his equipment, does that mean?

2176
02:35:45,070 --> 02:35:47,790
If it's with the home business, it would still apply to it.

2177
02:35:47,790 --> 02:35:49,970
I wouldn't care what that was applying to it.

2178
02:35:50,250 --> 02:35:52,150
So what's your business construction?

2179
02:35:53,510 --> 02:35:54,510
In a construction work?

2180
02:35:54,510 --> 02:35:56,630
Because outside business is not a business for repair.

2181
02:35:56,850 --> 02:35:58,950
It's a business that repairs, if that makes sense.

2182
02:35:59,350 --> 02:36:01,970
So part of business is I do construction work

2183
02:36:01,970 --> 02:36:02,690
and that's an equipment.

2184
02:36:02,910 --> 02:36:05,050
And I store it most of the time inside, but I take it places.

2185
02:36:05,730 --> 02:36:08,050
And once more, I also work on it as part of the business.

2186
02:36:08,690 --> 02:36:11,590
I could say that's still a following under this regulation.

2187
02:36:13,030 --> 02:36:19,850
You could, I guess maybe as a thought or as an option, kind of the storage outside of a structure

2188
02:36:19,850 --> 02:36:25,110
not permitted, you could have it more just, you have to have some screening, like a fence

2189
02:36:25,110 --> 02:36:30,490
technical, or it's not in view from the public, how we did that before, I don't know if that's

2190
02:36:30,490 --> 02:36:31,330
any time limit.

2191
02:36:39,570 --> 02:36:45,850
That's going to be very hard to enforce me and you can't because I'm going to say that's

2192
02:36:45,850 --> 02:36:46,770
all my stuff.

2193
02:36:47,030 --> 02:36:52,650
No, I mean if I repair game consoles, I can repair mine all day long, I don't mind breaks,

2194
02:36:52,650 --> 02:36:59,110
but if I'm bringing in 40 a week to repair and I'm storing them somewhere outside, that'd

2195
02:36:59,110 --> 02:36:59,550
be different.

2196
02:36:59,550 --> 02:37:06,390
because I'm not, I'm doing work for another, not my personal equipment for my business.

2197
02:37:08,840 --> 02:37:12,860
I mean, I think we all are trying to, we had lots of feedback about the issues and scenarios,

2198
02:37:13,320 --> 02:37:18,540
so I don't know how we fixed those scenarios that we had very vocal public feedback.

2199
02:37:20,140 --> 02:37:22,820
And I think it's not one item, it's like the excess.

2200
02:37:23,340 --> 02:37:25,780
Multiple things on a lot being repaired at a time,

2201
02:37:27,340 --> 02:37:29,760
and an ongoing cycling of those,

2202
02:37:30,100 --> 02:37:31,960
like, they bring the next four cars in.

2203
02:37:32,100 --> 02:37:33,940
We talked about her to auto in that example

2204
02:37:34,500 --> 02:37:35,920
where they'd limit them over there,

2205
02:37:36,060 --> 02:37:38,500
even if you had this many on the residential property,

2206
02:37:38,640 --> 02:37:39,740
all of them things have to be shifted,

2207
02:37:39,920 --> 02:37:42,580
garage, so they had two scenarios,

2208
02:37:42,700 --> 02:37:44,300
the big storage where they stuck everything.

2209
02:37:44,600 --> 02:37:46,360
They just had a giant shielded area of fences.

2210
02:37:46,460 --> 02:37:48,840
Rob, no more than two items,

2211
02:37:49,280 --> 02:37:51,780
cannot be stored or worked on outside or what.

2212
02:37:52,040 --> 02:37:54,080
Yeah, you can put it on the other side.

2213
02:37:58,680 --> 02:38:02,580
I think you limit the amount because I worry about the fridges, you know, things like that.

2214
02:38:02,620 --> 02:38:05,660
We're just like this, like, I'm going to have them, but I'll see the person

2215
02:38:05,660 --> 02:38:09,780
opportunity to do that made two to five items, but it has to be moved every

2216
02:38:09,780 --> 02:38:13,700
so often. I mean, join your out there working on your equipment, probably made for

2217
02:38:13,700 --> 02:38:21,400
a week, if that less than that may a day. Yeah, I'm saying so I mean, we just do a two to

2218
02:38:23,540 --> 02:38:24,980
three

2219
02:38:24,980 --> 02:38:30,620
items do you think that'd be okay and then because there is equipment like you

2220
02:38:30,620 --> 02:38:34,720
know not just probably like oil but like very few people can port those big

2221
02:38:34,720 --> 02:38:37,600
warehouse garages and knowing that but we already have a limitation how much we

2222
02:38:37,600 --> 02:38:40,160
could put on the land you know percentage so

2223
02:38:46,340 --> 02:38:53,480
this is a tough one because there's

2224
02:38:53,480 --> 02:39:01,560
That's what I said, I don't know what to do, but not a free for all because right now this also applies to every lot size.

2225
02:39:03,120 --> 02:39:07,700
So we open this up to 8,000 square foot loss.

2226
02:39:08,100 --> 02:39:10,780
They feel their backyard now that's all that's there.

2227
02:39:13,460 --> 02:39:14,500
That's a good reaction.

2228
02:39:15,360 --> 02:39:21,920
Well, once again, the only way you could do that is maybe do it per lot size like limitations, but that's no, I was only thinking that that's you.

2229
02:39:21,920 --> 02:39:23,680
I know I know it's not

2230
02:39:23,680 --> 02:39:25,220
I'll figure out the number

2231
02:39:25,880 --> 02:39:27,440
Rob was 550 items

2232
02:39:27,440 --> 02:39:29,920
No I was a joke

2233
02:39:31,820 --> 02:39:34,120
I think you have the 3 to 5 items

2234
02:39:34,120 --> 02:39:34,880
I think you have the 3 to 5 items

2235
02:39:34,880 --> 02:39:38,100
I'll put my umbrella in the box

2236
02:39:38,100 --> 02:39:39,640
I want to suggest something

2237
02:39:39,640 --> 02:39:41,340
I feel like I suggest it and then it locks

2238
02:39:41,800 --> 02:39:42,800
Like in your mind?

2239
02:39:43,120 --> 02:39:44,000
There's a negotiation

2240
02:39:44,000 --> 02:39:47,040
I'm gonna suggest something and it locks something

2241
02:39:47,040 --> 02:39:50,080
I think I'd be okay with up to 5

2242
02:39:53,870 --> 02:39:57,250
I mean, we can always come back in a minute, there are some things that seem hard.

2243
02:39:58,070 --> 02:40:01,150
Yeah, what we should do is limit on large items and small items.

2244
02:40:01,590 --> 02:40:06,410
You could do like my, as 20 lawn mowers probably in a good time, right?

2245
02:40:06,730 --> 02:40:07,810
Well, at least 5 to 10.

2246
02:40:07,910 --> 02:40:09,370
They might be kept in a nice area.

2247
02:40:09,830 --> 02:40:10,530
Organized, nice.

2248
02:40:11,590 --> 02:40:13,950
So maybe we do a smaller than we do a larger.

2249
02:40:14,250 --> 02:40:14,750
I think so.

2250
02:40:14,970 --> 02:40:16,210
And limit on large and limit points.

2251
02:40:17,030 --> 02:40:17,350
A point?

2252
02:40:17,530 --> 02:40:17,770
Yes.

2253
02:40:18,670 --> 02:40:19,750
But that's what points are going to go.

2254
02:40:19,750 --> 02:40:24,010
No, I haven't seen one, it has a point for animals and it's a mess.

2255
02:40:24,550 --> 02:40:25,250
Good for two.

2256
02:40:25,250 --> 02:40:26,990
Do you have a number of flies?

2257
02:40:27,350 --> 02:40:27,690
Yeah, yeah.

2258
02:40:28,150 --> 02:40:28,790
The county.

2259
02:40:29,350 --> 02:40:30,390
So are you saying that right here?

2260
02:40:30,490 --> 02:40:30,910
Think about it.

2261
02:40:30,910 --> 02:40:34,370
The county tried to do it based on, if you heard this, usable space.

2262
02:40:34,990 --> 02:40:38,810
So when you had a maker, but they didn't count your house, you're building your own, dry

2263
02:40:38,810 --> 02:40:38,950
room.

2264
02:40:39,290 --> 02:40:40,370
Only your usable space.

2265
02:40:42,950 --> 02:40:45,310
So what do you, I think, do you want to, do you want to fire it, or you want to see it

2266
02:40:45,310 --> 02:40:45,630
fire it?

2267
02:40:45,710 --> 02:40:46,550
All that against you.

2268
02:40:46,550 --> 02:40:46,970
Oh, yes.

2269
02:40:46,970 --> 02:40:47,090
Yes.

2270
02:40:47,410 --> 02:40:49,170
Well, you have left is this part here?

2271
02:40:49,170 --> 02:40:49,930
That would be more true.

2272
02:40:50,250 --> 02:40:51,650
That's how many animals you could have.

2273
02:40:51,870 --> 02:40:52,890
They went away from that one.

2274
02:40:53,350 --> 02:40:55,170
I mean, five is just a reasonable number.

2275
02:40:55,670 --> 02:40:56,690
Again with the enforcement.

2276
02:40:56,810 --> 02:41:00,650
It's going to be looking at some of these like, ah, they have a yard full of stuff.

2277
02:41:01,350 --> 02:41:02,850
We know you're over the five.

2278
02:41:03,630 --> 02:41:05,510
I said that we might have to go to school.

2279
02:41:05,510 --> 02:41:06,470
I think it was under repair.

2280
02:41:06,690 --> 02:41:07,210
That's a big deal.

2281
02:41:07,370 --> 02:41:09,930
You could do square footage.

2282
02:41:10,950 --> 02:41:11,450
That's true.

2283
02:41:11,910 --> 02:41:12,050
Yeah.

2284
02:41:12,150 --> 02:41:12,990
You could do square footage.

2285
02:41:13,150 --> 02:41:15,650
It could be more than this square footage.

2286
02:41:15,650 --> 02:41:22,430
You don't have to be able to be invited on to their preference and measure it work on and still yeah, I'm very fortunate by the gun.

2287
02:41:25,370 --> 02:41:28,310
He's a strong one item.

2288
02:41:32,030 --> 02:41:33,550
I like the square footage.

2289
02:41:33,710 --> 02:41:35,630
300 square feet of property.

2290
02:41:36,370 --> 02:41:37,450
That's not a good one.

2291
02:41:37,830 --> 02:41:38,790
No, I don't know.

2292
02:41:38,790 --> 02:41:40,250
Just wait too high.

2293
02:41:40,390 --> 02:41:42,190
Do large in a small area.

2294
02:41:42,590 --> 02:41:43,790
You're trying to get a car.

2295
02:41:44,110 --> 02:41:46,670
So what's your equipment?

2296
02:41:47,150 --> 02:41:48,890
Jordan, what would you say is square footage?

2297
02:41:49,010 --> 02:41:49,330
It's massive.

2298
02:41:49,330 --> 02:41:50,390
What kind of equipment does?

2299
02:41:51,110 --> 02:41:52,090
There's a crane over there.

2300
02:41:54,580 --> 02:41:58,220
Well, I mean, a mini excavator and a skid loader, you know.

2301
02:41:58,540 --> 02:42:02,540
So like a 40 foot trailer by 7 feet?

2302
02:42:03,040 --> 02:42:03,200
8.

2303
02:42:03,760 --> 02:42:03,920
8?

2304
02:42:06,200 --> 02:42:06,420
Yeah.

2305
02:42:07,820 --> 02:42:08,700
That's 320

2306
02:42:13,910 --> 02:42:15,830
already cars with that.

2307
02:42:15,830 --> 02:42:20,490
that would, I don't think that would be five cards, that would be maybe three cards.

2308
02:42:24,760 --> 02:42:28,580
Unless it's a little tiny smart card, yes,

2309
02:42:31,530 --> 02:42:35,010
no geometries anymore, I guess that's kind of

2310
02:42:35,010 --> 02:42:36,370
I'm key to soul.

2311
02:42:36,430 --> 02:42:36,930
Yeah.

2312
02:42:38,210 --> 02:42:40,250
What you're maybe suggesting?

2313
02:42:41,210 --> 02:42:43,050
Do you think that would be sufficient?

2314
02:42:45,560 --> 02:42:47,240
Work on and store up items.

2315
02:42:50,620 --> 02:42:51,620
Store items.

2316
02:42:53,080 --> 02:42:53,680
Store items.

2317
02:42:53,680 --> 02:42:53,920
Store items.

2318
02:42:54,100 --> 02:42:54,740
I don't want to sell.

2319
02:42:55,740 --> 02:42:56,000
I'm sorry.

2320
02:42:57,160 --> 02:42:58,140
That'd be like, Mariam.

2321
02:42:59,180 --> 02:43:00,660
I think we're okay with this.

2322
02:43:00,660 --> 02:43:01,220
I think we're okay with that.

2323
02:43:01,620 --> 02:43:03,540
I think we're okay with that.

2324
02:43:04,380 --> 02:43:06,020
I don't know. I think that would be decent.

2325
02:43:09,020 --> 02:43:11,940
I think we start doing more detail. It could be pretty hard to

2326
02:43:11,940 --> 02:43:16,040
process. I have a lot of two details that are just saying big gets this and so on.

2327
02:43:16,060 --> 02:43:25,060
It's because within our commercial ordinance, we've talked about even a repair shop in the residential commercial zoning is limited and has to have been put away overnight.

2328
02:43:25,960 --> 02:43:32,380
So we are now saying that the commercial business has less restrictions and more restrictions than our residents.

2329
02:43:37,100 --> 02:43:42,940
What do you want to do like you can have this much car stover nice and repair but the

2330
02:43:42,940 --> 02:43:48,480
shop that's actually shop on commercial property can't do that yeah that's not are you

2331
02:43:48,480 --> 02:43:52,920
seeing me like five or eight big items or something like but we had a fair

2332
02:43:52,920 --> 02:43:53,640
You're gonna get three.

2333
02:43:53,740 --> 02:43:54,400
Fifty-spirited.

2334
02:43:54,560 --> 02:43:55,560
What size is this one?

2335
02:43:57,880 --> 02:43:59,540
One of the side posts around here.

2336
02:44:00,200 --> 02:44:01,340
What size is this one?

2337
02:44:01,340 --> 02:44:01,760
It's a three-joyne.

2338
02:44:02,000 --> 02:44:02,680
It does a big room.

2339
02:44:03,060 --> 02:44:04,000
It's about 20 by 20.

2340
02:44:04,000 --> 02:44:04,580
20 by 20.

2341
02:44:04,960 --> 02:44:05,500
I don't know.

2342
02:44:05,580 --> 02:44:06,580
I think it's bigger than that, isn't it?

2343
02:44:07,200 --> 02:44:07,380
Yeah.

2344
02:44:07,440 --> 02:44:07,700
Here we go.

2345
02:44:08,340 --> 02:44:09,240
Marching a work by two.

2346
02:44:09,660 --> 02:44:10,100
There you go.

2347
02:44:10,520 --> 02:44:10,880
The oil is not here.

2348
02:44:10,980 --> 02:44:13,900
It's about 6, 7, 8, 8, 8, 8 and just 3, 20.

2349
02:44:14,000 --> 02:44:14,860
It's 20 by 20.

2350
02:44:15,400 --> 02:44:15,640
Yeah.

2351
02:44:16,880 --> 02:44:17,520
A little bit.

2352
02:44:17,900 --> 02:44:19,040
20 by 20.

2353
02:44:20,300 --> 02:44:21,920
20 by 20 is for $400.

2354
02:44:21,920 --> 02:44:23,160
four-hundred square feet.

2355
02:44:24,460 --> 02:44:25,900
A lot of small appliances.

2356
02:44:26,760 --> 02:44:28,160
This is right there.

2357
02:44:28,420 --> 02:44:29,540
I hate them strictly left.

2358
02:44:29,740 --> 02:44:30,460
That's a lot of your knives.

2359
02:44:30,940 --> 02:44:32,780
What if it has to be workable?

2360
02:44:33,960 --> 02:44:35,480
Workable. Like you can't be just

2361
02:44:35,480 --> 02:44:37,320
sitting there, like you can be broke, but

2362
02:44:37,320 --> 02:44:39,620
going through your time, or as we workable, which means

2363
02:44:39,620 --> 02:44:41,940
either the machine has to be eventually fixed

2364
02:44:41,940 --> 02:44:43,120
with some of the days, or

2365
02:44:43,780 --> 02:44:45,460
maybe, you know what I mean? Like you just can't throw

2366
02:44:45,460 --> 02:44:47,120
fridges, they're all like broken.

2367
02:44:48,000 --> 02:44:49,560
Does it make sense as we workable or

2368
02:44:50,480 --> 02:44:56,260
running correctly maybe we just have a timeframe too I don't know

2369
02:45:00,020 --> 02:45:10,680
Kind of down to the chair. What do I say? Jordan has a backhoe and the skidster. Yes, many

2370
02:45:10,680 --> 02:45:15,800
acts, I mean, that's a new name for this space. We want to know everything Jordan has on this

2371
02:45:15,800 --> 02:45:21,800
yard right now. No, I'm just thinking of everybody else. I mean, this, this is thanks. This is all, this, that's

2372
02:45:21,800 --> 02:45:23,180
I don't say a knife. It does.

2373
02:45:24,260 --> 02:45:25,540
I like how you read me wrong.

2374
02:45:26,120 --> 02:45:26,980
Is it for acre?

2375
02:45:27,680 --> 02:45:29,420
Well it's a size.

2376
02:45:30,780 --> 02:45:31,980
They ain't done the square for a lot.

2377
02:45:32,060 --> 02:45:35,440
I don't know. Like I would be okay to come back and back.

2378
02:45:35,700 --> 02:45:39,240
I don't be able to come back on this one later on.

2379
02:45:39,360 --> 02:45:40,440
I just think it was a lot of.

2380
02:45:41,520 --> 02:45:41,640
Yeah.

2381
02:45:43,700 --> 02:45:45,180
You got the 350 square feet.

2382
02:45:47,340 --> 02:45:48,600
Or two large items.

2383
02:45:48,600 --> 02:45:51,640
and more small items,

2384
02:46:02,860 --> 02:46:05,420
I don't know, it's tough with the length, that's why I said I'm going to get it.

2385
02:46:05,500 --> 02:46:06,160
More weight eaters?

2386
02:46:08,040 --> 02:46:09,120
Four weight eaters?

2387
02:46:10,500 --> 02:46:11,700
They're stored outside.

2388
02:46:12,000 --> 02:46:12,760
It's right here, that's it.

2389
02:46:13,300 --> 02:46:14,000
Big ham, okay.

2390
02:46:14,240 --> 02:46:14,620
Do you hear that?

2391
02:46:15,080 --> 02:46:16,940
I don't know what I did.

2392
02:46:17,200 --> 02:46:23,920
I think if you're going to try to do that, it seems like the concern is the square footage was too high.

2393
02:46:24,780 --> 02:46:36,800
but you still need to come or allow for vehicles of some sort. So allow the vehicles to go to the square footage and drop the square footage number down to 100 square feet.

2394
02:46:37,620 --> 02:46:39,280
That's a 10 by 10 area.

2395
02:46:39,280 --> 02:46:51,360
10 by 10 for the small stuff, or for the, yeah, I just don't know at this one,

2396
02:46:52,000 --> 02:46:54,080
including Ren Lake Point or at least the majority.

2397
02:47:09,810 --> 02:47:11,810
I think we all don't limit people to repair.

2398
02:47:12,150 --> 02:47:13,390
This originally was blocked, remember?

2399
02:47:14,050 --> 02:47:17,910
We had the original ordinance no allowance of any motor vehicle repair or anything like that.

2400
02:47:18,270 --> 02:47:22,270
So now I think we're struggling with just how to write it because we want to do allow that.

2401
02:47:22,270 --> 02:47:30,010
correct. I just know that the individual that you're referring to that does a small

2402
02:47:31,430 --> 02:47:37,890
engines and yeah he is the perfect example of what we want yeah but if you're only

2403
02:47:37,890 --> 02:47:42,590
getting a limit for stored that yeah I don't think that works I mean he's

2404
02:47:42,590 --> 02:47:48,490
exactly where we're more of those square footage works for small things but not

2405
02:47:48,490 --> 02:47:51,550
large things yeah that's what I'm getting out. I think that's the hard thing I

2406
02:47:51,550 --> 02:47:55,670
we're about to is like I don't want to I mean we grandfather P1 but like the same

2407
02:47:55,670 --> 02:48:01,430
time it's like do you want to promote growth you know like if you do fine to

2408
02:48:01,430 --> 02:48:05,050
you think calmness like you know some else wants to do something like that

2409
02:48:05,050 --> 02:48:09,490
right I can't. So then do you want to do it? Oh do I'll go ahead and

2410
02:48:13,080 --> 02:48:13,620
disappear.

2411
02:48:16,350 --> 02:48:16,930
I hope we do

2412
02:48:16,930 --> 02:48:24,430
the larger couple on the large do the number on the large item. All right I just

2413
02:48:24,430 --> 02:48:27,690
I think rigging up is a big way better for my size.

2414
02:48:29,010 --> 02:48:29,130
What?

2415
02:48:29,930 --> 02:48:35,170
I say I think quantity is better, a better regulator than size.

2416
02:48:36,090 --> 02:48:36,390
Zero.

2417
02:48:36,770 --> 02:48:39,290
Three or four cars in my yard.

2418
02:48:40,290 --> 02:48:45,890
Four or five, three or four bridges in my yard that I'm working on.

2419
02:48:47,790 --> 02:48:54,310
One may take out more space than the other, but the quantity is kind of a thing that can control a better thing.

2420
02:49:10,540 --> 02:49:17,080
We can you guys want to try to sign on this tonight, or do you want to bring this one back and try a minute later on?

2421
02:49:18,880 --> 02:49:22,420
Let's do that. Let's do that because this one that one is still back

2422
02:49:23,020 --> 02:49:26,140
Also, do we want to add welding shops and machine shops?

2423
02:49:26,660 --> 02:49:29,000
This is mostly about repairs and stuff

2424
02:49:35,540 --> 02:49:38,640
Welding comment then okay a point 1.3

2425
02:49:44,260 --> 02:49:48,520
do we have anywhere anywhere? That's all I'm saying. You want to do it. You stick it up here.

2426
02:49:53,920 --> 02:49:54,380
Okay,

2427
02:49:57,740 --> 02:49:59,300
anything on 8.1.3?

2428
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:00,460
I do.

2429
02:50:00,940 --> 02:50:02,120
Good. Good.

2430
02:50:02,500 --> 02:50:05,380
I was trying to get to a while back.

2431
02:50:08,050 --> 02:50:09,570
I can turn there and assume

2432
02:50:12,060 --> 02:50:12,780
the inspections.

2433
02:50:12,780 --> 02:50:19,300
Do we have people called by the individuals to do that type of inspection then?

2434
02:50:20,000 --> 02:50:21,320
Who's going to be responsible for that?

2435
02:50:24,390 --> 02:50:29,270
Instead of the building officials, you tend to build the official fire marshal that is

2436
02:50:29,270 --> 02:50:34,950
maybe coming out of the day, ever get involved, but it's mostly going to be your fire marshal and your building official.

2437
02:50:35,170 --> 02:50:36,730
Building official and fire marshal dole?

2438
02:50:37,270 --> 02:50:39,410
Do we have a cover in the cost?

2439
02:50:39,850 --> 02:50:45,170
Yeah, the building officials should be paid by the may permit maybe, and then I guess the

2440
02:50:45,770 --> 02:50:47,330
No, we don't specify that.

2441
02:50:47,530 --> 02:50:49,070
We would have to put that in there maybe.

2442
02:50:50,810 --> 02:50:53,410
It does say that costs come out of the business license

2443
02:50:53,410 --> 02:50:59,220
permit sheet, but not in this paragraph.

2444
02:50:59,600 --> 02:51:01,540
No, up above, it talks about inspections.

2445
02:51:01,540 --> 02:51:03,400
I get like one a year of that type of thing.

2446
02:51:03,620 --> 02:51:05,400
Do you want to make it specific that they pay for this?

2447
02:51:08,610 --> 02:51:09,850
Let's try to go back up a little bit.

2448
02:51:10,770 --> 02:51:14,550
In my memory, the residents are titled with inspection

2449
02:51:14,550 --> 02:51:17,850
I don't think I can understand that, but um, why are we doing that?

2450
02:51:17,950 --> 02:51:23,650
Um, with the Carlson spectrum born by this one, it's part of the licensing thing, so...

2451
02:51:25,350 --> 02:51:27,570
If you want to make something specific for this, we can.

2452
02:51:35,040 --> 02:51:40,980
I just know it's fairly, fairly expensive to send the fire marshal to inspect the house

2453
02:51:42,180 --> 02:51:44,200
and so it's not going to be for free.

2454
02:51:46,770 --> 02:51:47,690
Do they all, do they charge?

2455
02:51:48,090 --> 02:51:50,030
I don't think they do. I don't think they charge, though.

2456
02:51:50,910 --> 02:51:51,130
What?

2457
02:51:51,430 --> 02:51:52,650
That's present, I don't think they charge.

2458
02:51:52,650 --> 02:52:00,790
Do they charge to the charts? Jamie or no? For a commercial they charge for the

2459
02:52:00,790 --> 02:52:07,270
but for for. So this is basically a powerful inspection. It's not the house or I mean it

2460
02:52:07,270 --> 02:52:10,790
could be the house but these are going to be this is the repair it's like their

2461
02:52:10,790 --> 02:52:12,430
workshop is what they're coming to expect.

2462
02:52:18,110 --> 02:52:20,230
The commercial business under commercial

2463
02:52:20,230 --> 02:52:24,630
actual building. I don't know on a home base business what they would charge. We

2464
02:52:24,630 --> 02:52:28,070
just I do suggest that in the business I'm going to pay the associated inspection

2465
02:52:28,070 --> 02:52:28,590
action fees.

2466
02:52:29,110 --> 02:52:29,350
Yeah.

2467
02:52:34,380 --> 02:52:38,240
The fire department doesn't like to take money and we usually have to take it to them.

2468
02:52:41,060 --> 02:52:44,840
I mean, we can just say they'll have to pay it and we'll figure out how they have to

2469
02:52:44,840 --> 02:52:45,140
pay it.

2470
02:52:45,220 --> 02:52:47,560
Yeah, I'm going to say, as of now, the fire department.

2471
02:52:47,760 --> 02:52:49,540
We can call it all of them.

2472
02:52:49,740 --> 02:52:50,280
Yeah, for the fire department.

2473
02:52:50,280 --> 02:52:50,820
What do you want to take?

2474
02:52:50,980 --> 02:52:51,920
Text to check now.

2475
02:52:52,100 --> 02:52:52,920
Just ask them.

2476
02:52:53,060 --> 02:52:53,960
Do you want to see text to check?

2477
02:52:54,060 --> 02:52:55,220
No, we're quick and just ask them.

2478
02:52:55,340 --> 02:52:55,440
Hey.

2479
02:52:55,440 --> 02:53:02,220
Yeah, I guess it's not like that, but that was okay.

2480
02:53:03,360 --> 02:53:03,880
Okay.

2481
02:53:06,480 --> 02:53:07,000
Okay.

2482
02:53:22,480 --> 02:53:23,000
What?

2483
02:53:24,360 --> 02:53:28,760
We're only specifying this for a business of business and business of doing repair.

2484
02:53:29,020 --> 02:53:29,260
Correct.

2485
02:53:30,800 --> 02:53:34,880
This is only the repair shops around

2486
02:53:47,110 --> 02:53:48,490
here, I'm expecting the current

2487
02:53:51,430 --> 02:53:52,970
doesn't need it, it doesn't need one.

2488
02:53:53,670 --> 02:53:56,050
No, this is not requiring a fair one.

2489
02:53:59,760 --> 02:53:59,960
Okay.

2490
02:54:00,560 --> 02:54:01,520
Do you want to go with that one?

2491
02:54:03,140 --> 02:54:04,000
8.2.

2492
02:54:07,450 --> 02:54:08,650
Yeah, that's pretty common.

2493
02:54:09,150 --> 02:54:10,510
8.2.1.

2494
02:54:11,870 --> 02:54:13,510
8.2.2.

2495
02:54:15,520 --> 02:54:22,020
I think the one that I have questions is 8.2, 3.8, 2.4, 8.2, 0.5.

2496
02:54:24,980 --> 02:54:26,360
I think we've very addressed

2497
02:54:26,360 --> 02:54:27,220
those several times.

2498
02:54:27,300 --> 02:54:31,160
I mean, this is what I pulled from the other one. I think I reorganized it just a bit.

2499
02:54:31,600 --> 02:54:33,600
It's the same language we have for this.

2500
02:54:34,240 --> 02:54:34,400
Okay.

2501
02:54:34,460 --> 02:54:36,140
Moving down to 8.2.6.

2502
02:54:39,480 --> 02:54:43,700
And I said I didn't add 8.2.5, which employees, just because it wasn't clear, so I didn't

2503
02:54:46,880 --> 02:55:02,000
Okay 9.1 9.1.1 9.1.2 Okay, that one dresses Dan to that. It came 9.1.3

2504
02:55:02,000 --> 02:55:04,620
That goes back to my question about

2505
02:55:06,890 --> 02:55:12,550
yeah, this is yeah part of that one down run 1.1.4

2506
02:55:12,550 --> 02:55:22,270
number one which I think are agreed on that one 9.1.5 and the robs of one on traffic traffic

2507
02:55:22,270 --> 02:55:27,090
again we can come back we can go and hash us out later on so let's keep going if you guys

2508
02:55:27,090 --> 02:55:37,310
are cool with that 9.1.6 9.1.6.1 okay we'll go back to the traffic and are you okay with that

2509
02:55:45,830 --> 02:55:51,690
I think that's why we need to, because that should not change, they don't generate traffic.

2510
02:55:51,830 --> 02:55:51,950
Okay.

2511
02:55:52,850 --> 02:55:54,190
Unless you want to change the do.

2512
02:55:54,350 --> 02:55:56,910
I think changing, because I changed the language to the meaning.

2513
02:55:57,250 --> 02:55:59,730
So it's probably the owner can still leave and come as they wish.

2514
02:56:00,090 --> 02:56:00,690
Yeah, well.

2515
02:56:00,970 --> 02:56:02,410
But it's the delivery should be comfortable.

2516
02:56:02,710 --> 02:56:04,770
The only known is if you want to change anything about deliveries.

2517
02:56:09,630 --> 02:56:16,170
Okay. 9.2, 9.2.1, 9.2.2.

2518
02:56:18,450 --> 02:56:23,190
We're down to 9.2. So that's the one that we probably need

2519
02:56:23,190 --> 02:56:31,970
to 9.2, and then 9.2.1. And that's referring back to Section 6, which we can...

2520
02:56:31,970 --> 02:56:46,340
That's the general everything list of 9.2.2 is that for since home this business says they're all the

2521
02:56:46,340 --> 02:56:50,640
part to get a business license. Okay. That's when we discussed last week. Do we finalize that?

2522
02:56:50,940 --> 02:56:56,300
Because I know we talked about registration over the occupation.

2523
02:56:57,020 --> 02:56:59,880
Where we left those registrations for occupation licenses.

2524
02:56:59,880 --> 02:57:05,380
Okay, I also get the option to do registration for this one, the business license if we decide to do the six attend

2525
02:57:05,840 --> 02:57:11,780
You guys want to look at that too and just talk about that one or it's okay if I'm all on it once I can do that we could do either way

2526
02:57:14,880 --> 02:57:16,540
for you guys wanting to do

2527
02:57:16,540 --> 02:57:23,140
I think the only way to know like all the things like five employees and the impact on the community would be

2528
02:57:24,580 --> 02:57:27,220
We're not asking all that on the registration registration like

2529
02:57:28,680 --> 02:57:33,360
Let's impactful and you want a registration on the home occupation, right? Yeah, okay

2530
02:57:33,360 --> 02:57:37,500
And then are you is everyone congruent on having the basis licenses on

2531
02:57:38,520 --> 02:57:39,840
Two to five employees

2532
02:57:41,720 --> 02:57:43,800
Okay, right, Kathleen's fine with it

2533
02:57:49,620 --> 02:57:50,100
Okay,

2534
02:57:52,750 --> 02:57:57,410
yeah, we'll hit that up a little later on I was okay with the registration or business licenses

2535
02:57:57,410 --> 02:57:59,290
but it sounds like we've got three there.

2536
02:57:59,990 --> 02:58:04,530
Moving on to 9.2, 0.3.1,

2537
02:58:10,210 --> 02:58:13,270
okay, 9.2, 0.3.2.

2538
02:58:13,630 --> 02:58:21,800
We have 9.2.3, we have one to set out to see where the home occupations generate.

2539
02:58:22,660 --> 02:58:24,460
We have a whole occupation, the home-based.

2540
02:58:27,400 --> 02:58:33,380
Yeah, there we go, good catch. 9.2, 0.3, 0.2,

2541
02:58:33,380 --> 02:58:46,580
9.2.3.3, 9.2.3.4, okay, 9.2.4, so this is the beginning of the conversation about

2542
02:58:46,580 --> 02:58:56,620
the expanded option, option. We discussed about having a, I wrote out a potential for allowing

2543
02:58:56,620 --> 02:59:01,040
five to ten employees, so this is that sector where it says you have up to five unless

2544
02:59:01,040 --> 02:59:04,460
that special approval process, which is 9.3, correct?

2545
02:59:04,720 --> 02:59:07,060
So, highlighting that.

2546
02:59:08,360 --> 02:59:12,580
Okay, then you mentioned 9.2.5, yes, 12 vehicles,

2547
02:59:12,580 --> 02:59:14,360
I would talk about that, we can come up to that one, really.

2548
02:59:15,200 --> 02:59:16,940
The question I know that I had there is,

2549
02:59:17,260 --> 02:59:19,000
this is where we wanna put parking spaces

2550
02:59:19,000 --> 02:59:22,480
for customer, customers, if we want to have it.

2551
02:59:22,780 --> 02:59:24,620
As soon as you do, do you not?

2552
02:59:24,880 --> 02:59:29,480
I think all parking should be on the businesses operating

2553
02:59:29,480 --> 02:59:31,100
and that's where we were heading on everything.

2554
02:59:31,580 --> 02:59:34,880
Keep looking at this, if we say that it can be on all these other properties,

2555
02:59:35,420 --> 02:59:37,940
if you know on our home base business, it's commercial site with parking lots.

2556
02:59:38,400 --> 02:59:41,780
Here's my parking lot over here, I've rented, here's my parking lot over here, I've rented.

2557
02:59:42,420 --> 02:59:43,900
What if I signed with five neighbors?

2558
02:59:44,160 --> 02:59:47,800
What if we did an option to wear basically...

2559
02:59:47,800 --> 02:59:49,280
Oh, it's a nice thing, great.

2560
02:59:49,920 --> 02:59:55,720
Because it's on average per day, you know, it takes a big business to get 12 customers every day.

2561
02:59:55,780 --> 02:59:57,180
What if we allow it to where we don't,

2562
02:59:57,180 --> 02:59:59,760
out unless they come and present to City Council and they approve.

2563
03:00:01,270 --> 03:00:10,690
So, the city council would have to vote on that if someone wants to do it and then, you know, then we won't limit it, but yet we vote on it.

2564
03:00:11,550 --> 03:00:15,590
Is it right here where you'd also define more of what your average is?

2565
03:00:15,650 --> 03:00:23,610
So, I don't have to define anywhere else. So, I wanted to, I think there's three questions. First is, you want to require parking for customers?

2566
03:00:24,350 --> 03:00:24,710
Yes.

2567
03:00:25,070 --> 03:00:26,570
That's not spelled out anyway.

2568
03:00:26,730 --> 03:00:26,830
Yeah.

2569
03:00:26,950 --> 03:00:27,250
Off the road.

2570
03:00:27,570 --> 03:00:29,230
We thought we wanted an undercover.

2571
03:00:29,390 --> 03:00:30,350
I thought we would pass this.

2572
03:00:30,510 --> 03:00:33,770
Yes, but if we wanted to, how do we want to specify that?

2573
03:00:34,390 --> 03:00:35,370
I think we're worried.

2574
03:00:36,070 --> 03:00:36,350
I'm not sure.

2575
03:00:36,390 --> 03:00:39,910
So that does tell us into the question of what is 12 visits on average mean?

2576
03:00:40,330 --> 03:00:40,550
Yes.

2577
03:00:41,090 --> 03:00:44,950
And then finally, do you want to allow us to offer the property?

2578
03:00:45,050 --> 03:00:45,930
Let's go to the second.

2579
03:00:46,190 --> 03:00:47,110
Question one.

2580
03:00:47,870 --> 03:00:48,590
Customer parking.

2581
03:00:49,130 --> 03:00:49,370
Yeah.

2582
03:00:49,430 --> 03:00:50,250
What do you want to do with it?

2583
03:00:50,410 --> 03:00:52,470
On the property of the business or the owner?

2584
03:00:52,470 --> 03:00:57,670
Is there any business like point that have the parking on the street that know if I don't know any really do you guys know I?

2585
03:00:58,050 --> 03:00:58,070
I

2586
03:00:59,850 --> 03:01:04,930
Depends on what you what you define that has because there's people that have the

2587
03:01:05,990 --> 03:01:14,190
Off the road that they they clearly they're off the pavement and they they pull in perpendicular to the pavement and they're

2588
03:01:14,770 --> 03:01:21,090
On the edge of the road that they have parking they have hard surface there. I don't know if part of bumper is in us

2589
03:01:21,850 --> 03:01:25,970
right away or not? I don't know where their property line is.

2590
03:01:27,250 --> 03:01:28,590
I'm not going to tell that.

2591
03:01:31,600 --> 03:01:36,680
I don't think I've found a general understanding that it means it's not on the street impacting the traffic law.

2592
03:01:37,860 --> 03:01:38,940
So is it okay?

2593
03:01:39,120 --> 03:01:41,360
There's a little standard that it's not in that street.

2594
03:01:41,880 --> 03:01:48,620
I mean, half the car is in the right away because it's, you know, the utility right away.

2595
03:01:49,260 --> 03:01:50,600
But it's not in the street.

2596
03:01:50,600 --> 03:01:51,700
And they're still.

2597
03:01:51,980 --> 03:01:53,840
Yeah, there's no standard note in the street.

2598
03:01:54,420 --> 03:01:59,500
I don't think we've covered where they can park in the row or not, but just off the street.

2599
03:02:00,720 --> 03:02:02,500
And I think we've already mentioned.

2600
03:02:02,960 --> 03:02:08,160
We had a long talk about making a park off the street on every single variation of this.

2601
03:02:08,940 --> 03:02:13,040
If we're changing that, then a lot of my upper parts I would want changed.

2602
03:02:13,660 --> 03:02:15,900
I'm just asking the questions, right?

2603
03:02:16,960 --> 03:02:21,740
What that exact means, Dan asked the question of, is there any businesses out there?

2604
03:02:21,820 --> 03:02:33,600
I know businesses out there that, not a home-based business, I can sit there and say that the B-Hive has some parking that you could park alongside the right away.

2605
03:02:33,900 --> 03:02:41,140
If we could do, whether it's in the right away, but if we could all think this way, I'd love for us to all think this way.

2606
03:02:41,140 --> 03:02:45,740
And to remember that this is only for any illegal business or any future business,

2607
03:02:45,740 --> 03:02:48,280
it's not for existing businesses, they were legal.

2608
03:02:49,300 --> 03:02:53,540
So, think of it in that sense, do we want to open up every new business?

2609
03:02:54,360 --> 03:02:58,620
It's not, anything else that was legal is already at this doesn't apply.

2610
03:02:59,260 --> 03:03:07,500
We've learned that over and over again, do we want to open up every new business coming to town to park all their cars for the customers on the street in all areas?

2611
03:03:07,500 --> 03:03:14,460
one acre half acre 8,000 square foot tight streets like our public comment

2612
03:03:14,460 --> 03:03:20,720
tonight do we want 12 vehicles coming to each house in those areas or do we

2613
03:03:20,720 --> 03:03:24,820
want them off that area like that was that was I thought our limiting factor like

2614
03:03:24,820 --> 03:03:31,220
okay you can have a business but if you can't put 12 cars off street then you've

2615
03:03:31,220 --> 03:03:34,820
got to not put a business there right and I'm just trying to define what off

2616
03:03:34,820 --> 03:03:35,680
Street is.

2617
03:03:37,380 --> 03:03:41,460
So the way I read number 12, does it mean that I know 12 is a lot lower than the original

2618
03:03:41,460 --> 03:03:44,900
proposed to 140 a week, I think that's what you guys are originally.

2619
03:03:45,100 --> 03:03:45,720
Was it 140?

2620
03:03:46,060 --> 03:03:46,220
Yeah.

2621
03:03:46,960 --> 03:03:51,140
So the, so I got to try to jump to 12, but just to go more.

2622
03:03:51,900 --> 03:03:53,580
Yeah, I was just, I just wanted to click.

2623
03:03:53,720 --> 03:03:59,060
So we wrote up above, I wrote about, about, let's say, parking spaces beyond a paved

2624
03:03:59,060 --> 03:04:03,120
gravel over similar hard surface, parking on swales, yards, or sidewalks is not permitted.

2625
03:04:03,680 --> 03:04:06,460
That's the most of the definition we have for what off-street means.

2626
03:04:06,740 --> 03:04:13,020
So it means off the street, not in a soil, not in the yard,

2627
03:04:15,070 --> 03:04:16,010
not on a sidewalk.

2628
03:04:16,350 --> 03:04:20,450
And I thought that was good because we don't want to fill in the yard with customers.

2629
03:04:21,110 --> 03:04:21,570
No, they can't.

2630
03:04:21,870 --> 03:04:22,850
They just have to put gravel down.

2631
03:04:22,990 --> 03:04:26,670
Yeah, but meaning like on the lawn and everything like that.

2632
03:04:27,270 --> 03:04:30,570
A park surface, like a park surface, yeah.

2633
03:04:31,390 --> 03:04:35,650
Um, is there any like talked about the swell because we don't want vehicles driven fluids

2634
03:04:35,650 --> 03:04:39,330
down into the soil by parking them in there because I can pull my truck in my

2635
03:04:39,330 --> 03:04:40,250
soil of the park up there.

2636
03:04:42,050 --> 03:04:48,610
So that's the only difference we have of off-street so, um, chair.

2637
03:04:49,170 --> 03:04:49,710
Mm-hmm.

2638
03:04:50,090 --> 03:04:50,430
Of course.

2639
03:04:50,750 --> 03:04:51,890
And what does soil mean?

2640
03:04:52,950 --> 03:04:56,630
You guys don't have any but it's a waterway in some of the other flats.

2641
03:04:56,630 --> 03:05:04,170
Yes, does the definition include the parkway, the distance between the curb on the street?

2642
03:05:04,670 --> 03:05:05,430
On the sidewalk?

2643
03:05:06,090 --> 03:05:06,670
Yeah, the parkship.

2644
03:05:07,010 --> 03:05:07,630
It does not park.

2645
03:05:08,090 --> 03:05:08,370
No.

2646
03:05:08,790 --> 03:05:12,550
So, under this, they could park on the park's jetman so we considered off-street.

2647
03:05:12,810 --> 03:05:13,130
Yes.

2648
03:05:13,690 --> 03:05:15,810
As long as they don't go on to this side.

2649
03:05:15,810 --> 03:05:18,690
As long as they managed to get on the parkship, not on the sidewalk.

2650
03:05:18,870 --> 03:05:20,970
And on that hard surface and off the street.

2651
03:05:21,390 --> 03:05:22,730
I don't think they could go quite well with you.

2652
03:05:23,010 --> 03:05:23,890
But I guess they're like motorcycles.

2653
03:05:23,890 --> 03:05:29,210
Okay, you can do that, so that's where I see them, the city's all the little line scooters get parked, so

2654
03:05:30,430 --> 03:05:30,830
Bospels

2655
03:05:33,790 --> 03:05:38,490
John what would be an easy way is there a way to oh like I think so it's

2656
03:05:39,070 --> 03:05:43,990
Parking spaces shall be on a paved gravel or some other hard surface parking on swales yard

2657
03:05:45,570 --> 03:05:50,870
Or sidewalks is not permitted. Yeah, we don't feel partner on the grass and you so theoretically you could do it on a

2658
03:05:50,870 --> 03:05:55,330
I just don't know how you find one that's why enough to part something that's also not in the road ordered

2659
03:05:55,910 --> 03:05:59,050
On a sidewalk, but I think you could I guess you could

2660
03:06:02,390 --> 03:06:03,110
I think

2661
03:06:11,090 --> 03:06:16,990
I think I'll be I know there's some feel I do hair and other things that they would have their customers park on the shoulder because

2662
03:06:16,990 --> 03:06:21,430
pilot tip don't want to fill like they block the driveway. Would you guys be okay to have

2663
03:06:21,430 --> 03:06:26,110
some on the shoulder? That's allowed. Should we just make that clear so we don't have that

2664
03:06:26,110 --> 03:06:31,510
correct? Yes, because that's why I was going to do that. I was just going to say going off of

2665
03:06:31,510 --> 03:06:35,910
road design standards, that shoulder is designed specifically in a probe by engineers,

2666
03:06:36,170 --> 03:06:41,570
fire department, everybody for that exact purpose. That's why I have there four parking

2667
03:06:42,110 --> 03:06:45,770
and emergency vehicles can still get by and you have parking that isn't

2668
03:06:45,770 --> 03:06:46,930
on people's property.

2669
03:06:47,210 --> 03:06:50,430
What I think the parking is, is speeding off the physical road.

2670
03:06:50,490 --> 03:06:52,430
Yes, and this is actually what I want to make sure

2671
03:06:52,430 --> 03:06:55,710
so a standard cross-section has a shoulder

2672
03:06:55,710 --> 03:06:57,790
if we're requiring scrubs and some of these things.

2673
03:06:57,790 --> 03:06:58,930
I've always liked the shoulder, I think.

2674
03:06:59,090 --> 03:07:00,390
Like you said, Halloween.

2675
03:07:00,750 --> 03:07:02,550
That's where all the kids walk in my neighborhood on the show.

2676
03:07:02,830 --> 03:07:03,290
That's right.

2677
03:07:03,510 --> 03:07:04,490
When they are on the house.

2678
03:07:05,190 --> 03:07:07,650
I think I'm okay with that as long as they can park on the shoulder.

2679
03:07:07,910 --> 03:07:08,010
Yeah.

2680
03:07:08,210 --> 03:07:10,030
And I think that'd be fine.

2681
03:07:10,430 --> 03:07:11,410
I think you start getting a slasher.

2682
03:07:12,170 --> 03:07:14,270
Yeah, so I put it in there to make it clear that

2683
03:07:14,870 --> 03:07:15,790
That helps also.

2684
03:07:16,170 --> 03:07:17,830
John, is there any other ideas you have on that one?

2685
03:07:18,150 --> 03:07:19,050
Do you like that one or no?

2686
03:07:21,600 --> 03:07:23,280
I think the shoulder...

2687
03:07:23,280 --> 03:07:25,020
So now I've added in a section...

2688
03:07:25,020 --> 03:07:27,480
This is a print under six-point thing which is the general parking thing.

2689
03:07:27,660 --> 03:07:28,620
This is off-street parking.

2690
03:07:28,780 --> 03:07:34,340
Shall include parking on a shoulder or other permitted area off the paid street.

2691
03:07:34,920 --> 03:07:37,740
And that's following where it says you can't do it on swells or sidewalks.

2692
03:07:38,560 --> 03:07:40,320
And you have to have it on the hard surface or gravel.

2693
03:07:41,340 --> 03:07:41,500
Okay.

2694
03:07:42,620 --> 03:07:53,400
So, I think that allows makes it clear to allow shoulders or to find some other weird flat area, you know, before a swale, you know, it's flat, but the swale hasn't started yet, you could fill park fair.

2695
03:07:56,880 --> 03:08:03,440
Or I know in our neighborhood, like a lot of people have used the pipe and covered it, but make sure the water can flow still, right?

2696
03:08:03,820 --> 03:08:05,520
And then you could put the shoulder there.

2697
03:08:05,740 --> 03:08:07,600
Yeah, there's a bunch of extra parts.

2698
03:08:07,760 --> 03:08:08,480
Which we've done that a lot.

2699
03:08:08,480 --> 03:08:13,380
If you put gravity, if you've culverted it to the right standard, you'll have it be hard enough that it can support a

2700
03:08:13,380 --> 03:08:18,140
colleague, but grab a little over and there's your parking. That's how most of the acres in our section have. What about

2701
03:08:18,140 --> 03:08:24,080
curbing better? I mean, we can't dress up a little bit, but there's anything... They should leave you go down there at night and film how

2702
03:08:24,080 --> 03:08:30,580
narrow those roads are for those cars and just picture that's the business and you'll be like, ah, they made those roads

2703
03:08:30,980 --> 03:08:35,740
narrow. To yeah. Really narrow. And now with the state change where they we can't make them go

2704
03:08:35,740 --> 03:08:38,640
and we can't require them to go higher than 30.

2705
03:08:39,360 --> 03:08:39,980
32 asphalt.

2706
03:08:40,520 --> 03:08:42,740
It's going to come as shoes to go more.

2707
03:08:43,040 --> 03:08:43,980
They can choose.

2708
03:08:44,340 --> 03:08:46,100
So we can't wire it for a whole new ground.

2709
03:08:46,340 --> 03:08:49,480
For a collector higher, but in the local, you know,

2710
03:08:49,800 --> 03:08:51,240
for homes, 32 feet of asphalt.

2711
03:08:51,460 --> 03:08:52,960
I'm really concerned about this in our future.

2712
03:08:53,600 --> 03:08:55,100
We might need some one-way road,

2713
03:08:55,100 --> 03:08:57,620
which is some kind of sway park on this side.

2714
03:08:57,780 --> 03:08:58,680
Everyone's going this way.

2715
03:08:59,360 --> 03:09:00,160
It's 32 feet.

2716
03:09:00,220 --> 03:09:02,620
We have a development agreement that specifies

2717
03:09:02,620 --> 03:09:08,040
a road standard that would supersede it because they agreed to it. Okay.

2718
03:09:12,730 --> 03:09:14,410
I'm okay if they have

2719
03:09:14,410 --> 03:09:22,090
the opportunity park on the shoulder. I think that's great. Let's say we clarified that. Okay.

2720
03:09:23,630 --> 03:09:28,030
How many customers? How do you decide the number of customers in parking spaces?

2721
03:09:35,690 --> 03:09:42,030
So we have the average of visits, that's a question we need to decide, what's the denominator

2722
03:09:42,030 --> 03:09:42,850
for the average?

2723
03:09:43,330 --> 03:09:51,310
The other question is, say you were saying 12 on average on a weekly basis, or a daily

2724
03:09:51,730 --> 03:09:57,450
over a week, or however you figure that out, but what level of spaces do you require?

2725
03:09:57,450 --> 03:10:05,310
like how many is it four for 12 is it 12 for 12 I saw our intent was all vehicles must be off

2726
03:10:05,310 --> 03:10:12,070
street okay that's that's what I saw so I don't know if you could require because one day you might

2727
03:10:12,070 --> 03:10:20,010
have 12 and the next way you might have two or one or 20 yeah as long as they can be off street

2728
03:10:20,010 --> 03:10:24,030
If they can fit them on the car, that's a call.

2729
03:10:24,470 --> 03:10:26,310
The garage shelter is going to be on the street.

2730
03:10:27,830 --> 03:10:31,710
Like you said, we should buy specific garage shelter requirements, because that is

2731
03:10:31,710 --> 03:10:36,350
a unique situation where it's an instructional, like a daycare, where we're allowing them

2732
03:10:36,350 --> 03:10:39,070
limited vehicles to come, because it's exempt.

2733
03:10:42,480 --> 03:10:45,240
We should just make some parameters for that scenario,

2734
03:10:48,860 --> 03:10:51,480
because they're not every day, right?

2735
03:10:51,480 --> 03:10:56,120
But we did hear feedback from that person saying that they were operating every day.

2736
03:10:56,600 --> 03:10:58,300
They were buying products and it was a retail store.

2737
03:10:58,880 --> 03:10:59,960
But Mark did this garage sell.

2738
03:11:00,080 --> 03:11:01,500
That's what we're trying to say.

2739
03:11:01,700 --> 03:11:02,240
We got a limit.

2740
03:11:02,580 --> 03:11:10,060
Maybe that's where we put in the additional allowances for garage sales or yard sales or state sales.

2741
03:11:15,640 --> 03:11:21,160
But if someone has an acre and they've paved it on, can fit 30 cars back there to come to their sale.

2742
03:11:21,640 --> 03:11:23,680
I mean, I don't know why I want a limited.

2743
03:11:24,520 --> 03:11:30,160
I guess my question is more terms of giving direction to a resident they say I'm going

2744
03:11:30,160 --> 03:11:36,980
to do a hair cutting business out of my basement and I anticipate I'm going to have one vehicle

2745
03:11:36,980 --> 03:11:41,120
per hour for eight hours a day something like that.

2746
03:11:41,880 --> 03:11:47,120
So we have just one parking spot except you might have two that overlap so that they need

2747
03:11:47,120 --> 03:11:52,980
to have two and then if there's more of that it's like how do you decide it because you

2748
03:11:52,980 --> 03:11:57,900
you have to set a point at what you say here is your requirement for this business because if

2749
03:11:59,020 --> 03:12:02,820
that's what I'm trying to because you can just say it faces in our customers but if you have

2750
03:12:02,820 --> 03:12:09,440
21 day do we then are we going to enforce it because they exceeded it for one day they didn't have

2751
03:12:09,440 --> 03:12:14,760
20 parking spots. I thought our intent maybe I'm wrong was all along but they matter the number

2752
03:12:14,760 --> 03:12:19,060
customers they have to be off-street so if they had 20 they have to have 20 off-street but if that's

2753
03:12:19,060 --> 03:12:20,200
That's not what the risk accounts want.

2754
03:12:20,700 --> 03:12:21,820
I could definitely rather wait.

2755
03:12:21,940 --> 03:12:24,280
I just wasn't sure what the council's direction was on that.

2756
03:12:24,920 --> 03:12:26,560
Could I say parking for all customers

2757
03:12:26,560 --> 03:12:28,280
would just leave it at that?

2758
03:12:28,800 --> 03:12:28,940
But

2759
03:12:34,130 --> 03:12:35,990
that and then deal with issues as they come up,

2760
03:12:36,450 --> 03:12:37,290
you know, at that point.

2761
03:12:37,290 --> 03:12:38,310
So if you look at their nine point point.

2762
03:12:38,310 --> 03:12:40,550
You know when it's, when you have a cell,

2763
03:12:40,770 --> 03:12:41,790
they're just gonna be parked down thing.

2764
03:12:41,890 --> 03:12:43,430
It's like the creative homes and they're,

2765
03:12:43,470 --> 03:12:45,330
you know, given that's what works on them.

2766
03:12:45,390 --> 03:12:46,990
But that's what I'd rather do is,

2767
03:12:46,990 --> 03:12:47,990
oh, one time.

2768
03:12:48,050 --> 03:12:49,310
Three people actually complained

2769
03:12:49,310 --> 03:12:50,250
and now we've gotta look at,

2770
03:12:50,250 --> 03:12:51,310
oh, it's over and it's resolved.

2771
03:12:52,650 --> 03:12:55,590
He is just resolved. We weren't expected, and there's no one there.

2772
03:12:56,910 --> 03:13:00,450
So 9.2.6 just says, how many of the home-based businesses shall provide?

2773
03:13:00,610 --> 03:13:04,650
Offering parking for all customers to the orange with the requirement to 6.3.

2774
03:13:08,350 --> 03:13:11,810
Is that what a majority of the council desire it to say?

2775
03:13:19,600 --> 03:13:20,480
9.9.

2776
03:13:21,100 --> 03:13:23,440
Oh, yeah, I've got to read the general parking rule.

2777
03:13:23,880 --> 03:13:25,260
Oh, okay. Providing, yeah.

2778
03:13:25,640 --> 03:13:25,740
Okay.

2779
03:13:26,420 --> 03:13:28,580
That's for how we define what the parking is.

2780
03:13:28,800 --> 03:13:29,280
Oh, I see.

2781
03:13:39,460 --> 03:13:40,360
Dolly, do you hear that?

2782
03:13:40,640 --> 03:13:41,640
Go to the bit 6.3.

2783
03:13:45,650 --> 03:13:46,190
Okay, good.

2784
03:13:46,570 --> 03:13:48,090
Go back and relic with that.

2785
03:13:48,370 --> 03:13:49,650
She's making sure you're on there.

2786
03:14:28,560 --> 03:14:29,780
Dolly, have any thoughts on that?

2787
03:14:31,760 --> 03:14:32,520
Oh, I...

2788
03:14:32,520 --> 03:14:33,540
Yeah, I like this shoulder.

2789
03:14:33,900 --> 03:14:35,380
I think that suffices a lot of things.

2790
03:14:36,020 --> 03:14:38,040
Yeah, it's not a 6.3, I don't know.

2791
03:14:40,860 --> 03:14:42,840
So it sounds like...

2792
03:14:42,840 --> 03:14:46,840
Three counts on numbers I find with having to be all customers.

2793
03:14:46,840 --> 03:14:52,980
numbers per that 6.3 which talks about shoulders and hard surfaces and the like.

2794
03:14:53,500 --> 03:14:59,780
Yeah, I want to think I just want to point out this is only home-based businesses so it's not a home occupation if they're so prepared.

2795
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:29,720
There are a haircut shop. The way you've written it, right? This is only for me businesses. Yeah. Home occupations have no traffic allowed. But that's because they're not supposed to have. But if you, I guess, is the general haircut is going to have one client at a time. They wouldn't apply because they would have one customer coming, right? Or did they not put them? Oh, no, they're reading. They have outside impact because they have customers coming. Yes. I forgot about that thing.

2796
03:15:31,000 --> 03:15:34,800
That's still a lot of people coming to get your hair cut all at once.

2797
03:15:35,520 --> 03:15:39,080
That's a shop, right? That's a barber shop with lots of people.

2798
03:15:39,900 --> 03:15:41,880
So you want those cars off the street.

2799
03:15:42,400 --> 03:15:46,500
Most people that are doing care care are not having a client come.

2800
03:15:46,760 --> 03:15:47,540
We don't really believe.

2801
03:15:48,140 --> 03:15:50,660
Yeah, and it's just like...

2802
03:15:50,660 --> 03:15:53,620
Accountants and things like that. You don't want them to cross that much.

2803
03:15:54,000 --> 03:15:55,860
Usually somebody calls up and says,

2804
03:15:55,860 --> 03:16:02,080
say they usually have a job somewhere else and then they do it on the side for extra income

2805
03:16:02,080 --> 03:16:08,740
to pay bills or to do Christmas or whatever it may be. Sometimes I think we carry things

2806
03:16:08,740 --> 03:16:09,480
way too far.

2807
03:16:16,020 --> 03:16:21,100
So I think three of the support is 12, is the 12 being struck or is that still

2808
03:16:21,100 --> 03:16:25,580
part of what we have? No, that's still there. That's question the next. I don't know how many

2809
03:16:25,580 --> 03:16:31,380
questions are answered at this point. This is the next one. So under 9.2.5 I have a average

2810
03:16:31,380 --> 03:16:36,760
just shall be determined on a and then question mark. How are we determining the

2811
03:16:37,580 --> 03:16:41,000
12th visit average? I guess we have two questions. We're going to resolve the

2812
03:16:42,580 --> 03:16:46,480
12th. There's 12 and a couple because the 12 include delivery trucks like John

2813
03:16:46,480 --> 03:16:50,540
who's asked. Yeah. That's part of that question as well. Yes. I know we we

2814
03:16:50,540 --> 03:16:55,360
we've been talking about. Well we dropped it quite a bit already. So I mean I think

2815
03:16:57,100 --> 03:17:01,580
for me if it's a regular service that's coming through I don't think it should

2816
03:17:01,580 --> 03:17:07,540
channel because they're already in town and it's not impacting anybody anymore than anybody else

2817
03:17:07,540 --> 03:17:14,240
because they come to ICI Amazon truck every single day. I see the United States Postal Service every

2818
03:17:14,240 --> 03:17:25,840
single day, maybe not so much on FedEx and UPS, but quite often I see them in town. So John, what if we...

2819
03:17:25,840 --> 03:17:27,080
and I wouldn't want to drop the 12.

2820
03:17:27,360 --> 03:17:28,840
Yeah, that's not including delivery.

2821
03:17:29,420 --> 03:17:31,960
Because that's to have customers at every business.

2822
03:17:33,260 --> 03:17:34,880
Yeah, that's not very many at all.

2823
03:17:36,640 --> 03:17:40,200
It is for, if you take out everything we've exempted,

2824
03:17:40,620 --> 03:17:43,860
everything that's already existing that's legal, non-conforming,

2825
03:17:44,540 --> 03:17:46,840
that is a lot for the future of what could turn

2826
03:17:46,840 --> 03:17:49,280
like went into many commercial residential zone.

2827
03:17:50,300 --> 03:17:52,120
And we all support business and everything.

2828
03:17:52,360 --> 03:17:55,580
We just are trying not to change the residential character

2829
03:17:55,580 --> 03:18:01,500
your nature like we had comments tonight of the residential nature of this

2830
03:18:01,500 --> 03:18:07,200
community has always supported small home-based businesses. You putting this

2831
03:18:07,200 --> 03:18:12,360
in place will impact that. You'll say that grandfather did but it will impact

2832
03:18:12,360 --> 03:18:17,380
future people moving here and it will not be as much of a draw for the same type

2833
03:18:17,380 --> 03:18:21,620
people and business owners get back to the community. You sit there and you look

2834
03:18:21,620 --> 03:18:27,720
at all the clean-ups that we've had where people have volunteered dumpsters from their home-based

2835
03:18:27,720 --> 03:18:33,940
businesses and things like that. They volunteer a lot of their time and resources to help out other

2836
03:18:33,940 --> 03:18:38,940
people. Here in the community, it makes it a better place for everybody. If you don't want that,

2837
03:18:39,400 --> 03:18:43,860
then go ahead and continue on with this. I think this is good for where communities grow.

2838
03:18:44,480 --> 03:18:50,320
When I moved here, there was $1,200. Our true numbers are 300-800 residents.

2839
03:18:50,320 --> 03:18:56,740
that we got it 800 homes since 2016. That's what changes the impact on the

2840
03:18:56,740 --> 03:19:02,900
community by doing some of this stuff, still allowing you. It's not the home-based

2841
03:19:02,900 --> 03:19:09,180
businesses that are changing the impact. But it's it's the density. Yeah, it's

2842
03:19:09,180 --> 03:19:14,380
exactly. Yeah. So it changes the overall traffic, it changes the overall impact

2843
03:19:14,380 --> 03:19:19,300
of deliveries, it changes the overall. And then when you add several businesses on

2844
03:19:19,300 --> 03:19:21,380
on the street, you can create quite a bit of traffic.

2845
03:19:21,700 --> 03:19:23,660
And if it was all Lakeland residents, like you said,

2846
03:19:23,880 --> 03:19:26,160
I think there'd be no, so they're already here,

2847
03:19:26,320 --> 03:19:28,340
but it will not be on Lakeland residents.

2848
03:19:29,000 --> 03:19:30,300
It'll be outside traffic.

2849
03:19:33,660 --> 03:19:35,560
I think we just tried out, see how it goes.

2850
03:19:36,080 --> 03:19:39,740
I mean, I think a lot of this that we're trying to gather,

2851
03:19:39,860 --> 03:19:41,900
we don't know all the impact it's going to do,

2852
03:19:42,200 --> 03:19:43,740
because we customize it to scratch.

2853
03:19:45,080 --> 03:19:46,920
I, we're going to try and see how it goes.

2854
03:19:47,040 --> 03:19:48,800
I wonder if you can keep the deliveries in that 12.

2855
03:19:48,800 --> 03:19:52,200
And then take it out if we see people aren't getting what they need.

2856
03:19:53,540 --> 03:19:56,840
So I throw in some language suggesting something online,

2857
03:19:57,180 --> 03:19:59,360
excluding the deliveries for the council to consider.

2858
03:19:59,820 --> 03:20:00,000
Okay.

2859
03:20:01,060 --> 03:20:06,060
Yeah, I don't, I don't want to limit my vast family's own delivery

2860
03:20:06,660 --> 03:20:09,360
to my own necessarily.

2861
03:20:09,900 --> 03:20:11,420
So I appreciate that, Rob.

2862
03:20:11,700 --> 03:20:14,080
Do I, you don't want to limit people to 12 a day?

2863
03:20:16,840 --> 03:20:24,920
I appreciate what Rob put in there, just residential type delivery services.

2864
03:20:25,240 --> 03:20:29,840
Which will limit every business if someone had 12 a day and they had 12 deliveries a day.

2865
03:20:30,280 --> 03:20:34,460
Let's say we have 100 businesses getting 12 deliveries a day.

2866
03:20:35,940 --> 03:20:40,720
That's what we're talking about, is the impact that way.

2867
03:20:40,720 --> 03:20:42,160
you're talking about a business.

2868
03:20:48,740 --> 03:20:52,320
I agree and I asked about that and he said he would

2869
03:20:52,320 --> 03:20:58,040
apply to all of them. If we could exempt out just your personal delivery, that's different

2870
03:20:58,040 --> 03:21:02,300
than a business delivery. No, it's saying right here. Yeah, it's good. It's not general

2871
03:21:02,300 --> 03:21:08,220
traffic, meaning deliveries, shipping. So if you didn't get, yes, no one's going to say,

2872
03:21:08,280 --> 03:21:11,940
okay, is that for your residential? Is that for your business? No, and residential type

2873
03:21:11,940 --> 03:21:13,820
delivery service, such as UPS, or private.

2874
03:21:13,960 --> 03:21:16,600
I know this, but I'm asking you to see if he's

2875
03:21:16,600 --> 03:21:18,720
in the conversation or exempting all of those.

2876
03:21:18,780 --> 03:21:21,940
For residential is why he's trying to that would exempt

2877
03:21:21,940 --> 03:21:22,900
a manly way, right, Rob?

2878
03:21:23,140 --> 03:21:24,080
That was my understanding earlier.

2879
03:21:24,240 --> 03:21:26,840
My, my intent was to provide a suggestion

2880
03:21:26,840 --> 03:21:28,800
about exempting all of those types of deliveries.

2881
03:21:28,840 --> 03:21:30,280
We're not counting them towards the 12.

2882
03:21:30,700 --> 03:21:31,320
Not, okay.

2883
03:21:31,500 --> 03:21:35,140
So that you would cross out the deliveries in front of them.

2884
03:21:35,880 --> 03:21:36,240
Okay.

2885
03:21:36,780 --> 03:21:37,760
So that's what I'm doing.

2886
03:21:37,820 --> 03:21:41,360
Deliveries, but it would include deliveries of commercial

2887
03:21:41,360 --> 03:21:46,640
Like someone's delivering a skid steer to a business because that's what they do and they move that back and forth.

2888
03:21:46,960 --> 03:21:51,440
That's, but it's excluding the ones that don't come into town, the yellow.

2889
03:21:53,560 --> 03:21:54,520
Yeah, yeah.

2890
03:21:54,900 --> 03:21:56,060
Job Doyle for clarity.

2891
03:21:56,580 --> 03:22:00,160
It would exclude any delivery business or your personal deliveries.

2892
03:22:01,240 --> 03:22:02,760
Well, I was going to have a song.

2893
03:22:03,280 --> 03:22:04,560
Yes, exactly.

2894
03:22:05,560 --> 03:22:08,860
I'm trying to get you guys to understand what I, we talked about earlier.

2895
03:22:09,340 --> 03:22:16,140
With the thought being, you can't tell if an Amazon fan is there for commercial or residential

2896
03:22:16,140 --> 03:22:19,400
use. Is it for the business or for the home, so you just exclude it from the

2897
03:22:19,400 --> 03:22:22,900
calculation? That's what this suggestion is for the council to consider.

2898
03:22:23,320 --> 03:22:25,260
And then, don't get your name on it.

2899
03:22:25,440 --> 03:22:29,700
So, Doyle was thinking it was limiting it to his personal delivery, and that's why he

2900
03:22:29,700 --> 03:22:34,920
liked it. This is not limiting it to anything, Doyle.

2901
03:22:34,920 --> 03:22:43,680
So it's limiting it by if it's not a residential type delivery service already.

2902
03:22:44,880 --> 03:22:49,220
Meaning any amount of business, any amount, there's no limit whatsoever on that.

2903
03:22:49,980 --> 03:22:52,860
Well, I think they're limited already on a day-to-day basis.

2904
03:22:53,320 --> 03:22:58,920
How many times they actually come to town, maybe not, maybe I'm mistaken.

2905
03:22:58,920 --> 03:23:05,880
So, if we take this, right, let's calculate this 12 customer visits, let's say I only get six deliveries,

2906
03:23:06,560 --> 03:23:13,220
that's 18 coming to my house, and then my employees, five, that's the number of traffic I have at my one business.

2907
03:23:14,400 --> 03:23:17,980
That seems like a ton of traffic.

2908
03:23:18,520 --> 03:23:25,080
Except that delivery truck is going to your next door neighbor, then it's not doing anything as well because they ordered something as well.

2909
03:23:25,080 --> 03:23:28,600
And maybe the better way to write it is that we keep them

2910
03:23:28,600 --> 03:23:32,220
included and we exempt them from the off-street parking

2911
03:23:32,220 --> 03:23:36,700
requirement because they're coming and leaving for the

2912
03:23:36,700 --> 03:23:38,640
delivery versus I don't know.

2913
03:23:38,760 --> 03:23:40,080
I just want because we're not limited.

2914
03:23:40,800 --> 03:23:42,420
We're not saying any specific parking.

2915
03:23:42,480 --> 03:23:44,060
So I don't think that needs to be done.

2916
03:23:44,200 --> 03:23:45,720
It just needs to be, they need to be off-street.

2917
03:23:45,820 --> 03:23:47,420
But if obviously they're Amazon, they're just going

2918
03:23:47,420 --> 03:23:49,840
to run out and they're using the shoulder and they're

2919
03:23:49,840 --> 03:23:50,300
running out.

2920
03:23:50,580 --> 03:23:53,500
I think the feedback most of God has 12 as long.

2921
03:23:54,520 --> 03:23:55,220
So you do 12.

2922
03:23:55,220 --> 03:24:00,180
Let's say you only get two delivers there. That's 14 and you have five employees and

2923
03:24:00,180 --> 03:24:06,640
Your non-family employees and collectively looking at it all. We're talking one bit. It's have a lot of traffic

2924
03:24:06,640 --> 03:24:07,960
a lot

2925
03:24:09,620 --> 03:24:11,740
Sorry, maybe not coming but allow

2926
03:24:15,840 --> 03:24:22,900
I mean I think I think you know, I think we all make sure do I vote for this understanding that it's exempting all of them

2927
03:24:22,900 --> 03:24:24,340
Do I have not just your personal deliveries?

2928
03:24:29,070 --> 03:24:34,450
and that's what Rob clarified is exempting all of them but we pass it down to

2929
03:24:34,450 --> 03:24:40,990
Rob's or Rob can just restate what he said. Did you hear Rob already or no?

2930
03:24:43,900 --> 03:24:52,870
Okay sorry I'm not I'm not yelling at you loud enough so the way I was

2931
03:24:52,870 --> 03:25:00,630
meeting to write this is basically if it's a Amazon type delivery it's it's

2932
03:25:00,630 --> 03:25:05,910
It's hard to tell whether that's for your residential use or for your home business use.

2933
03:25:06,890 --> 03:25:10,770
So this, what I've written is meant to exclude all of those types of deliveries, whatever

2934
03:25:10,770 --> 03:25:13,850
they're for, from the calculation of the 12th per day.

2935
03:25:23,980 --> 03:25:27,140
So, Doug, you said that it was based on only a personal deliveries though.

2936
03:25:29,960 --> 03:25:31,280
Did I misunderstand you?

2937
03:25:33,850 --> 03:25:34,390
We're asking.

2938
03:25:34,690 --> 03:25:34,890
We're asking.

2939
03:25:35,810 --> 03:25:36,710
I'm going to ask you.

2940
03:25:37,230 --> 03:25:40,310
Doug, I thought you said you didn't want to exempt your personal deliveries to your home.

2941
03:25:40,310 --> 03:25:41,230
So

2942
03:25:55,120 --> 03:25:56,940
it would also exclude your business deliveries.

2943
03:26:01,210 --> 03:26:09,230
No, I think we're on the same page, it's just, I think Doyle is saying it's not excluding the

2944
03:26:09,230 --> 03:26:15,190
commercial type deliveries, not deliveries for commercial or the commercial business.

2945
03:26:15,430 --> 03:26:16,850
That doesn't mean that, wouldn't it?

2946
03:26:17,730 --> 03:26:19,950
No, it doesn't.

2947
03:26:19,950 --> 03:26:25,110
When Doyle is saying commercial, he means the semi-truck, when you're saying commercial,

2948
03:26:25,110 --> 03:26:28,410
you're meeting an Amazon delivery for the business.

2949
03:26:28,650 --> 03:26:31,770
So do I always agree that that's being excluded?

2950
03:26:32,050 --> 03:26:37,890
Do I, so is that your understanding, it's excluding the home-based business commercial

2951
03:26:37,890 --> 03:26:43,970
delivery that is not the semi-drug that we exempted, we ban up earlier on the wait?

2952
03:26:55,860 --> 03:26:56,340
You want to vote?

2953
03:26:56,760 --> 03:26:57,080
Do I

2954
03:27:08,220 --> 03:27:11,980
worry if we try limiting the Amazon, they're going to come anyway.

2955
03:27:12,560 --> 03:27:16,880
I think it's going to be hard to regulate, plus you don't know if it's a commercial or personal.

2956
03:27:16,880 --> 03:27:22,540
I get Ryan's viewpoints, but also I worried that if we limit this thing, Amazon's getting

2957
03:27:22,540 --> 03:27:26,480
more and more, I mean, there's a million trucks coming through anyway.

2958
03:27:26,700 --> 03:27:28,520
I just don't know how you regulate this thing.

2959
03:27:29,700 --> 03:27:30,440
I think it'd be tough.

2960
03:27:30,700 --> 03:27:32,280
I think personally, we've come in a long ways.

2961
03:27:32,480 --> 03:27:34,720
We went from like a lot more deliveries to this.

2962
03:27:34,860 --> 03:27:38,360
I think we'd be okay to exclude that, you know, we're not put down.

2963
03:27:38,740 --> 03:27:39,620
I'd be okay for that.

2964
03:27:40,400 --> 03:27:42,780
Do you want to hear Kathleen and John's opinion?

2965
03:27:43,100 --> 03:27:43,780
I finished mine.

2966
03:27:43,940 --> 03:27:46,100
My support of the 12 was based on the included.

2967
03:27:46,100 --> 03:27:48,500
I would want a way lower number now.

2968
03:27:49,700 --> 03:27:50,620
Okay, Kelly.

2969
03:27:52,020 --> 03:27:56,320
I'm saying it would, I absolutely hated the last number

2970
03:27:56,320 --> 03:27:57,000
that was proposed.

2971
03:27:57,440 --> 03:27:59,000
This number I felt a little bit better than that.

2972
03:27:59,300 --> 03:28:00,240
Yeah, you were here.

2973
03:28:00,500 --> 03:28:04,500
Because this is better than the last number that was proposed.

2974
03:28:04,560 --> 03:28:09,240
But it was, I liked it because I could accept it better

2975
03:28:09,240 --> 03:28:11,520
because it included deliveries and customers.

2976
03:28:12,460 --> 03:28:15,360
But the number one complaint that I got

2977
03:28:15,360 --> 03:28:21,720
when I talk to people around town is that employees were too high as which would

2978
03:28:21,720 --> 03:28:26,780
generate more vehicles and then one main concern was vehicles. So for me with

2979
03:28:26,780 --> 03:28:31,740
taken deliveries out of it, yes I don't know if that truck has a residential or

2980
03:28:31,740 --> 03:28:37,220
commercial in it that you open it up to a lot more. So Mike and Jonathan can get

2981
03:28:37,220 --> 03:28:39,860
because I think I was clear already.

2982
03:28:40,000 --> 03:28:43,280
So are you are casting your duty with the addition?

2983
03:28:47,580 --> 03:28:48,080
No.

2984
03:28:51,640 --> 03:28:54,080
Jonathan, you want more of it?

2985
03:28:54,120 --> 03:28:58,820
I am fine with the definition or the suggestion

2986
03:28:58,820 --> 03:29:00,220
that Rob put in there.

2987
03:29:01,500 --> 03:29:05,220
It makes sense to me that if the vehicle is in here already,

2988
03:29:05,460 --> 03:29:09,420
it's not going to be making any more impact than it was before.

2989
03:29:09,420 --> 03:29:10,420
I

2990
03:29:12,540 --> 03:29:18,040
would also say that if home-based business is servicing the people that's in the community

2991
03:29:18,040 --> 03:29:23,200
and they're just driving in the community that doesn't have any more impact on somebody

2992
03:29:23,200 --> 03:29:24,340
going to the government.

2993
03:29:25,060 --> 03:29:26,620
That's fine.

2994
03:29:29,870 --> 03:29:30,690
That's fine.

2995
03:29:30,770 --> 03:29:35,750
I think sometimes we think just of UPS FedEx and Amazon, but a part run or truck from AutoZone

2996
03:29:35,750 --> 03:29:40,350
runs every day and you could have parts run to your mechanical shop several times a day.

2997
03:29:41,070 --> 03:29:42,910
Okay, do you have heard all opinions?

2998
03:29:43,290 --> 03:29:45,650
What do you know having

2999
03:29:49,040 --> 03:29:58,540
an excess of 12 customers or any excess of five on delivery or not on delivery of business deliveries?

3000
03:29:59,200 --> 03:29:59,860
Like the big trucks.

3001
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:29,760
Right? No. I think Rob already has it figured out. It says, excluding residential type delivery services. When Ryan, when you're talking about the parts delivery, that is not a residential type delivery service. We already, that is, I think trucks are higher, 26,000 pounds are higher. Right. But we're excluding any commercial order.

3002
03:30:30,000 --> 03:30:31,880
non-commercial deliveries to that business.

3003
03:30:32,880 --> 03:30:34,420
That was made clear to us.

3004
03:30:35,360 --> 03:30:35,820
OK.

3005
03:30:36,160 --> 03:30:36,660
I think we both.

3006
03:30:37,140 --> 03:30:38,200
There's still confused on this.

3007
03:30:38,320 --> 03:30:39,580
So we need Rob to really clarify.

3008
03:30:42,580 --> 03:30:45,300
Because the way Doyle is saying, do I say I'm right?

3009
03:30:45,640 --> 03:30:47,980
It would be very, very clear to me

3010
03:30:49,040 --> 03:30:53,600
by business deliveries, because that specifies calls it out.

3011
03:30:54,300 --> 03:30:57,800
So there is a restriction on access to 26,000 pounds

3012
03:30:57,800 --> 03:31:05,880
of the big semi-talking plus is prohibited outright. But if you're talking at checkers,

3013
03:31:06,060 --> 03:31:13,760
NAPA, AutoZone, any of those, those are not residential type delivery services.

3014
03:31:13,840 --> 03:31:20,880
So, define residential type delivery services. Amazon Prime or Amazon, United States Postal

3015
03:31:20,880 --> 03:31:29,070
serve as FedEx and UPS. But they deliver to businesses too so they're not just

3016
03:31:29,070 --> 03:31:29,930
residential type.

3017
03:31:32,970 --> 03:31:36,990
But they're in the neighborhood already as we say. We understand

3018
03:31:36,990 --> 03:31:41,570
that part I'm coming in neighborhood but it would be different if that was just

3019
03:31:41,570 --> 03:31:47,070
like the 12-year-old thing. Like I said if we just take it out. So this is about

3020
03:31:47,070 --> 03:31:51,930
the way Doyle said it. Do you want to ask Rob Ritten? I mean I have to write

3021
03:31:51,930 --> 03:31:59,230
whatever. I'm just trying to give suggestions. Okay, so it sounds like we were split. So I like

3022
03:31:59,230 --> 03:32:04,490
doing a suggestion to do it through that. What do I let your suggestion be saying five business

3023
03:32:04,490 --> 03:32:12,910
delivered? I gave my suggestion about 12 customers and I'm in excess of 12 customers visits and

3024
03:32:12,910 --> 03:32:17,550
in excess of five business delivered.

3025
03:32:20,400 --> 03:32:23,000
I don't think it may be more than that. Yeah, that sounds good.

3026
03:32:43,970 --> 03:32:46,990
Okay, I'm okay with that, I don't think we'll have, I don't think we'll have, I don't think we'll win.

3027
03:32:50,320 --> 03:32:53,260
Kathleen comes back and she wants to counteroff her five and seven.

3028
03:33:04,340 --> 03:33:07,040
Okay, let's just vote. So what do you guys want?

3029
03:33:09,680 --> 03:33:12,900
You've never said that. I can filter the phone cap thing. You might win this one.

3030
03:33:13,420 --> 03:33:19,300
So I threw in an additional suggestion just at the end. I just spaced it out and had another

3031
03:33:19,300 --> 03:33:19,820
sentence.

3032
03:33:38,800 --> 03:33:48,600
That is an overall increase from what was before but it does give a harder number on the deliveries versus customers and then you can also negotiate the numbers.

3033
03:33:49,260 --> 03:33:54,000
I like it before and I like to last change to I'm either way I've changed the fight and say what's going on?

3034
03:33:54,960 --> 03:33:58,580
Remove that excluding residential time or is that a problem?

3035
03:33:59,200 --> 03:34:01,880
Yeah, if we go this direction, we would then delete.

3036
03:34:04,770 --> 03:34:05,110
No?

3037
03:34:05,510 --> 03:34:07,790
Yeah, we delete most of that.

3038
03:34:10,610 --> 03:34:12,890
I don't I think we exclude the Amazon.

3039
03:34:13,970 --> 03:34:15,010
They're going to be here anyway.

3040
03:34:15,430 --> 03:34:17,150
I just you're not going to be a monitored man.

3041
03:34:18,470 --> 03:34:19,890
I just think it's going to be hard.

3042
03:34:19,890 --> 03:34:27,030
I agree, but most laws are to educate in 99% of the public will fight itself in a minute.

3043
03:34:27,690 --> 03:34:28,910
That's how parking works.

3044
03:34:29,050 --> 03:34:31,150
I'm in the parking compliance world at City Creek.

3045
03:34:31,730 --> 03:34:32,330
We put it out.

3046
03:34:32,510 --> 03:34:33,430
They know what's expected.

3047
03:34:33,950 --> 03:34:35,210
Most will comply to it.

3048
03:34:35,410 --> 03:34:37,970
Those that don't, you know, you'll get the complaints.

3049
03:34:39,290 --> 03:34:42,690
Okay, so the question is, do you want to, let's vote on the one piece here.

3050
03:34:43,410 --> 03:34:45,170
Let's vote on excluding residential type deliveries.

3051
03:34:45,430 --> 03:34:46,790
I'm okay leaving it, Ryan.

3052
03:34:56,350 --> 03:35:01,070
I'm okay with whatever. Let's vote. Let's get that in for taking it out as it's written

3053
03:35:01,070 --> 03:35:06,490
without the bottom part. Okay. You're okay. Taking it out without the bottom part. Okay.

3054
03:35:06,810 --> 03:35:13,150
As it was originally more or less, what version? Yes. The original version that we have talked about for months.

3055
03:35:18,830 --> 03:35:22,970
We've always said we were going to mind knowledge, our discussions have always stayed with

3056
03:35:22,970 --> 03:35:25,490
that they were going to be combined and both would be included.

3057
03:35:25,730 --> 03:35:27,370
This is the first time we've been there to wait for a minute.

3058
03:35:28,010 --> 03:35:30,530
Actually, that's been talked about several times, right?

3059
03:35:30,970 --> 03:35:33,730
But we, when we majority had always stuck with us, that's what I mean.

3060
03:35:33,890 --> 03:35:38,070
So we'd have kept it in there because none of us didn't have a majority to take it out.

3061
03:35:39,530 --> 03:35:44,350
every discussion if we have three of us it's in strict and not included and we haven't got to that point

3062
03:35:44,350 --> 03:35:49,050
until now. That that was in there before with that discussion.

3063
03:35:49,590 --> 03:35:53,530
Copy down to 10. All right. Keep your residential boardage in there.

3064
03:35:53,970 --> 03:35:58,070
Okay so you so Calvans come back leaving 10 vehicles per day and leaving the

3065
03:35:58,070 --> 03:35:58,890
school in the residential.

3066
03:36:02,490 --> 03:36:03,290
I think it's a good compromise.

3067
03:36:07,570 --> 03:36:14,430
So that's one for that, making a 10 with the exclusion for residential type, anyone else?

3068
03:36:15,590 --> 03:36:16,670
Not my favorite.

3069
03:36:17,370 --> 03:36:21,430
And that's that 10 is a clean vehicles per day.

3070
03:36:22,290 --> 03:36:22,510
Yes.

3071
03:36:25,950 --> 03:36:26,590
Employees?

3072
03:36:26,930 --> 03:36:27,170
No.

3073
03:36:28,370 --> 03:36:29,030
Just deliver.

3074
03:36:29,450 --> 03:36:35,210
Family, then I'm okay. I'm okay. We can come to some agreement. I'll meet you there. I think that sounds okay

3075
03:36:37,830 --> 03:36:41,010
Dole John right my mind will know

3076
03:36:41,010 --> 03:36:48,830
Based on the public feedback and because this exempts all these things that have high traffic are ready under ordinance and because

3077
03:36:49,810 --> 03:36:53,370
That this doesn't include the employees or family living on that property

3078
03:36:54,110 --> 03:36:55,730
Okay, so do I own John

3079
03:37:06,100 --> 03:37:13,900
exactly how many vehicles a day we want to be able to see for customers and how many vehicles a

3080
03:37:13,900 --> 03:37:16,060
day that we would allow for delivery.

3081
03:37:18,660 --> 03:37:20,120
Yeah Rob, let's keep it simple.

3082
03:37:22,580 --> 03:37:24,260
Well I think the suggestion here

3083
03:37:24,260 --> 03:37:29,780
Doyle is trying to keep it simple they're saying exclude the residential type delivery the United States

3084
03:37:29,780 --> 03:37:35,980
It's both to service FedEx, UPS, and Kathleen suggested going to 10.

3085
03:37:36,380 --> 03:37:36,640
All right.

3086
03:37:38,400 --> 03:37:39,320
We're going to be out there.

3087
03:37:39,660 --> 03:37:40,840
We're going to be out there.

3088
03:37:40,840 --> 03:37:41,420
We're going to be out there.

3089
03:37:41,960 --> 03:37:42,700
We're going to be out there.

3090
03:37:42,880 --> 03:37:44,040
We're going to be out there.

3091
03:37:44,140 --> 03:37:46,120
Yeah, Kathleen said leave it, but just put 10.

3092
03:37:46,580 --> 03:37:47,100
That's what she said.

3093
03:37:47,100 --> 03:37:48,680
And I seconded her on the I agree.

3094
03:37:48,840 --> 03:37:49,740
I think we just did that one.

3095
03:37:49,960 --> 03:37:52,440
So if you agree with that one, that's the compromise.

3096
03:37:58,750 --> 03:37:59,510
Are you going to have to?

3097
03:37:59,610 --> 03:37:59,890
Okay.

3098
03:38:00,090 --> 03:38:00,450
Is that one?

3099
03:38:02,860 --> 03:38:03,220
Okay.

3100
03:38:03,560 --> 03:38:04,800
So we've got three or four.

3101
03:38:04,800 --> 03:38:09,460
Okay, we're going to average calculated on a weekly monthly quarterly basis what

3102
03:38:10,440 --> 03:38:15,460
It's it's per day, but over what time I say and that number doesn't need to be that I

3103
03:38:18,400 --> 03:38:22,480
Know what is next section would impact that number sure

3104
03:38:25,420 --> 03:38:25,720
does

3105
03:38:26,320 --> 03:38:30,720
I'm based business of perfect. I'll start with customers of course. Yep. We were talking about that with the shoulder

3106
03:38:30,720 --> 03:38:33,900
I don't know the weekly monthly or average

3107
03:38:33,900 --> 03:38:40,420
So the longer of a period, the more variation you will have.

3108
03:38:40,660 --> 03:38:45,740
So if you do it over a month, it's going to be a one day of the same, and a bunch of

3109
03:38:45,740 --> 03:38:47,860
days of zero, and it averages out to five.

3110
03:38:48,020 --> 03:38:53,520
I'm okay with more weekly, so weekly is, at least give you a reasonable basis.

3111
03:38:54,380 --> 03:38:54,600
Okay.

3112
03:38:56,200 --> 03:38:58,000
We got two and weekly, third on weekly.

3113
03:39:00,740 --> 03:39:03,420
When you do weekly, then how does that count through it out basically?

3114
03:39:03,500 --> 03:39:04,840
Just seven days, I guess, right?

3115
03:39:04,840 --> 03:39:10,540
Yeah, yeah, seven days. I think a seven day very 70. You can always do it as a rolling period if you want, but it's a weekly

3116
03:39:11,000 --> 03:39:16,480
Seven to seven I think that'd be so within 10 days within seven days they get 10 vehicles

3117
03:39:18,560 --> 03:39:21,680
No, no with it. They can have 70 trips in a week

3118
03:39:21,680 --> 03:39:26,020
70 vehicles at that house, so they can have 70 one day and zero every other day

3119
03:39:26,020 --> 03:39:26,660
It

3120
03:39:35,080 --> 03:39:36,180
covers your garage stuff

3121
03:39:36,180 --> 03:39:38,940
I think yeah, you want to weekly? I can't both

3122
03:39:46,060 --> 03:39:48,660
I'm taking the number of businesses we have that will come in.

3123
03:39:48,740 --> 03:39:50,940
Well, whether we're determined this on daily, I don't know why we...

3124
03:39:50,940 --> 03:39:52,580
That's why I'm saying, I thought it was pretty great.

3125
03:39:52,840 --> 03:39:53,720
Did we have to do weekly?

3126
03:39:54,400 --> 03:39:56,560
Well, the question is so...

3127
03:39:56,560 --> 03:39:59,720
That would simplify an awful lot if we just took out average.

3128
03:39:59,960 --> 03:40:01,780
You can just say, this is how many...

3129
03:40:01,780 --> 03:40:03,000
That would be the answer.

3130
03:40:03,240 --> 03:40:06,960
If you just take out the average, but if you say 12 vehicles per day on average,

3131
03:40:07,160 --> 03:40:09,860
the question always then, what do you mean by the average?

3132
03:40:09,980 --> 03:40:12,220
Because that means you have at some point something over it.

3133
03:40:12,220 --> 03:40:16,020
Yeah, the average is so dole says take up the average which I think

3134
03:40:16,020 --> 03:40:23,960
Well, it's just I'm not just saying that simplifies it and it makes it straightforward and people are gonna break the rule on that

3135
03:40:24,500 --> 03:40:29,820
But for the most part they're gonna try and observe that so okay. I think we're

3136
03:40:30,360 --> 03:40:32,940
exclude the on average you just have a limit of ten

3137
03:40:34,200 --> 03:40:36,700
For day, okay

3138
03:40:38,560 --> 03:40:43,300
I think that's what we're discussing the whole time I realize until we got down to that part. So I'm okay with that

3139
03:40:44,560 --> 03:40:48,370
Two who was the first one?

3140
03:40:51,430 --> 03:40:52,490
Yeah, Ryan had

3141
03:40:52,490 --> 03:40:58,710
I think the adversary loop in our discussion. So I think are you guys okay with just daily?

3142
03:40:59,130 --> 03:41:01,810
That's not that we're discussing doesn't so delete it

3143
03:41:03,960 --> 03:41:05,160
Ryan Kathleen done

3144
03:41:16,470 --> 03:41:21,950
To figure out some of your garage sales, it sounds like the council wants to address that so I put that under the

3145
03:41:21,950 --> 03:41:23,950
Section we have to consider regulations, so we'll have the

3146
03:41:23,950 --> 03:41:29,710
Machete the repairs the in-home instruction in a garage sales section talks about how that happens

3147
03:41:31,230 --> 03:41:33,770
So we got two do we have a third on the average taken out or no?

3148
03:41:34,790 --> 03:41:35,410
You have another proposal

3149
03:41:37,210 --> 03:41:37,970
Kind of proposal

3150
03:41:39,530 --> 03:41:44,550
You're okay taking it out. Okay, we got three. Okay, take it out. Okay, 9.2.6

3151
03:41:45,390 --> 03:41:50,330
We discussed that. I think that addresses that 9.3 on our own.

3152
03:41:50,330 --> 03:41:55,730
This is the five plus, more than five employees.

3153
03:41:55,850 --> 03:41:59,150
This was the, I think, several customers who are already against this.

3154
03:41:59,410 --> 03:42:04,070
I drafted this because a couple wanted me to throw something on the page for consideration.

3155
03:42:04,690 --> 03:42:10,030
So this is all about, if you're going to allow home-based businesses to go from six to 10 employees,

3156
03:42:10,030 --> 03:42:19,150
what some conditions could be placed on it? Basically, do you hear that?

3157
03:42:23,720 --> 03:42:28,440
Basically, this is the option if we want to allow 6 to 10.

3158
03:42:28,440 --> 03:42:38,470
Okay. Okay. And I know we put down a lot of regulations on this one. We put down, we did

3159
03:42:38,470 --> 03:42:45,250
certain fee, we were just reviewing all 9.3.1.1 all the way down to 9.3.1.1.12.

3160
03:42:46,550 --> 03:42:53,430
Okay. How many people are actually seeking to move into our city that have 6 to 10 employees

3161
03:42:53,430 --> 03:42:59,930
already? Is there any that we have to jump to this? I just don't know if the need is

3162
03:42:59,930 --> 03:43:03,850
there. Why are

3163
03:43:07,400 --> 03:43:10,680
we looking at this versus commanding it if we see a need?

3164
03:43:11,020 --> 03:43:15,780
Well, we just, well, we just, you know, just go back to the surveys and stuff we said.

3165
03:43:16,200 --> 03:43:19,660
So we did zero to 10, less than 10 or more than 10. I don't think we gave them enough

3166
03:43:19,660 --> 03:43:24,180
options to, you know, there's no middle ground for them to choose. We are really getting too

3167
03:43:24,180 --> 03:43:31,040
choices. So it's hard to give you a business. I just don't see why we have to

3168
03:43:31,040 --> 03:43:35,690
to check something so big and residential, that special commercial to me.

3169
03:43:38,180 --> 03:43:43,540
Well, I know that 9.3.1.7, we had it where you can only have so many locations and

3170
03:43:43,540 --> 03:43:48,780
like point, that was within 1000 feet, so it's not like we can have every house on

3171
03:43:48,780 --> 03:43:49,180
the street.

3172
03:43:51,620 --> 03:43:55,980
Also, we talked about multiple times scaling businesses, the cost of

3173
03:43:55,980 --> 03:44:03,120
commercial being like out of control. We talked about inflation. Fire Marshall came, talked about

3174
03:44:03,980 --> 03:44:08,260
basically, you know, there's businesses in order to have no real estate or no places or rent.

3175
03:44:08,940 --> 03:44:12,360
If you are doing full-on stores in our house because I have nowhere else to go to drive through

3176
03:44:12,360 --> 03:44:16,480
the family. So I think that's how the discussion has got us forward right now. You know what I mean?

3177
03:44:16,660 --> 03:44:20,740
Like, I don't think it's just like, well, is there a business right now that has this? Yeah, there's

3178
03:44:20,740 --> 03:44:27,000
two or three, we grant those in, but do want to limit future potential for businesses

3179
03:44:27,000 --> 03:44:30,640
that could provide for their families. There's a reason why those commercial

3180
03:44:30,640 --> 03:44:31,560
properties are not selling.

3181
03:44:33,000 --> 03:44:37,000
But there's also a reason when that people begin to raise attention to commercial sound.

3182
03:44:37,340 --> 03:44:37,540
Correct.

3183
03:44:38,300 --> 03:44:38,400
Yeah.

3184
03:44:45,980 --> 03:44:50,660
So we can either modify, vote to shoot it down. I think we're split last time.

3185
03:44:51,880 --> 03:44:54,920
And so we just vote on this whole section to be done or not.

3186
03:44:54,920 --> 03:44:59,940
And then it's probably easiest because I that would be easier so I was for it until we changed all the other car requirements

3187
03:45:00,270 --> 03:45:25,430
I look at 10 employee cars, 10 customer cars, 4 or more family, all within a thousand square foot area. That's, and now it's success to me, so. So, Ryan, second, no, we're in towards now. Okay. And then we can amend it if we see a need. Okay, I did like the option. What numbers that the city council has approved. So it's not like just a guarantee. Is that on their 9.3?

3188
03:45:28,500 --> 03:45:32,320
Oh, rather, yeah, the big paragraph. Okay. It's hard because we've gotten so much easier.

3189
03:45:32,320 --> 03:45:45,220
that people on the rural, the state of rural residential and our whole ordinance talks about it and I get the cost and everything, but we've just, we've even limited what can be in our commercial residential for that reason.

3190
03:45:45,780 --> 03:45:50,680
I have the businesses to keep it feeling residential, not commercial.

3191
03:45:51,360 --> 03:45:56,240
So I've not heard a lot of feedback to go higher.

3192
03:45:56,240 --> 03:45:57,900
I did see the survey results.

3193
03:45:58,140 --> 03:46:01,360
Unfortunately, I only had that question for the business owners, so I think the general

3194
03:46:01,360 --> 03:46:02,800
public didn't get to answer that.

3195
03:46:03,900 --> 03:46:10,200
It was only on the business owners survey, so that is reflected of a business owners idea.

3196
03:46:11,480 --> 03:46:16,500
And it was ten or more or ten or less, so it was hard for me once I saw that.

3197
03:46:16,500 --> 03:46:17,440
It's

3198
03:46:21,540 --> 03:46:22,300
written that it

3199
03:46:24,320 --> 03:46:35,800
falls back on the council to review that application and it's based on 931.2, it says people

3200
03:46:39,670 --> 03:46:49,070
within 500 feet of that property can days in advance, so we can evaluate what the neighbors feel about that.

3201
03:46:49,070 --> 03:46:58,750
If you go down, we don't allow all these popping up that it has to be a thousand feet apart from each other.

3202
03:47:00,050 --> 03:47:02,270
Building limitations on your agenda.

3203
03:47:03,090 --> 03:47:08,110
And I think if we expand the limitationary, I'd feel good about the...

3204
03:47:08,110 --> 03:47:11,550
Something of that scale affects more than someone within 500 feet of that home.

3205
03:47:12,350 --> 03:47:15,470
It affects people within a thousand yards, a half square mile.

3206
03:47:16,230 --> 03:47:22,090
everyone on that street not just 500 feet so if we're going to keep it I'd

3207
03:47:22,090 --> 03:47:27,350
like to expand the perimeter of notice but then expand the allowance to only be

3208
03:47:27,350 --> 03:47:28,830
within a half-square mile.

3209
03:47:32,640 --> 03:47:34,580
That'd be him. Miles or an other point.

3210
03:47:35,600 --> 03:47:40,260
I'm Miles or in like point. That might be maybe 4.9 square miles. So we might

3211
03:47:40,260 --> 03:47:44,520
be allowed maybe four or five of these businesses at that. Yeah.

3212
03:48:16,310 --> 03:48:22,610
I mean, these conditions right here, I mean, almost impossible, I think. I mean, it's, like, 80% chance. I think we'll get shot down anyway, 90.

3213
03:48:25,790 --> 03:48:38,490
For you wouldn't you think, like I said, I have known a business, but for me, maybe not commercial property or I buy a residential lot and meet these conditions easier and lower cost than doing the commercial property.

3214
03:48:38,770 --> 03:48:41,810
So I think it'd be more appeasing and more people would do it.

3215
03:48:48,490 --> 03:48:54,690
I think the surveys I've seen showed like majority, you know, at least 60-70% so they're

3216
03:48:54,690 --> 03:48:55,430
okay with it.

3217
03:48:55,750 --> 03:48:58,830
That's not Facebook close at night, I think I'm not sure if the person took it down.

3218
03:48:59,550 --> 03:49:04,430
They were against this but like looked like 60-70% of the comments were like for it.

3219
03:49:04,530 --> 03:49:08,770
So my thoughts, I think we kind of hashed this over quite a bit and I think we just vote

3220
03:49:08,770 --> 03:49:09,530
on this whole section.

3221
03:49:09,830 --> 03:49:10,370
It's kind of go for there.

3222
03:49:10,490 --> 03:49:13,650
And if we do pass it in, you know, I agree.

3223
03:49:13,650 --> 03:49:16,650
I like to they haven't thought a little more with Brian said

3224
03:49:18,090 --> 03:49:20,990
But let's just vote on that move on so there's a big section what we want

3225
03:49:22,170 --> 03:49:25,830
So I'll be your whole call vote. I

3226
03:49:25,830 --> 03:49:30,850
Think do I wanted to see what Rob would come up with I thought he came up with some very unique alternatives

3227
03:49:31,430 --> 03:49:33,410
If there are some worries about this maybe

3228
03:49:34,750 --> 03:49:37,430
You know, I think we could dress on those with how many square feet

3229
03:49:38,270 --> 03:49:42,190
But I think we just vote on this section and then let me you know mean so

3230
03:49:58,890 --> 03:50:01,710
I'm saying I only want to change it if we vote to keep it.

3231
03:50:02,010 --> 03:50:07,930
I'm not for this because it doesn't meet what I believe a home-based business is or a

3232
03:50:07,930 --> 03:50:13,610
minimal moderate whatever word you use to modest impromptu.

3233
03:50:13,610 --> 03:50:18,850
And I also don't like where it can be random counsel that just chooses and picks a business

3234
03:50:18,850 --> 03:50:20,250
to allow versus another

3235
03:50:22,580 --> 03:50:31,560
if really the many to do it in the first place so I mean if we

3236
03:50:31,560 --> 03:50:38,040
voted I'll make some suggestions on expanding those but I'm opposed to this after we change

3237
03:50:38,040 --> 03:50:44,860
the vehicles I just see a lot of things with all the other changes we made that this is different

3238
03:50:44,860 --> 03:50:45,180
right now.

3239
03:50:52,050 --> 03:50:55,970
Yes. Any home-based business, correct?

3240
03:50:58,420 --> 03:51:00,420
We already have three, at least we know

3241
03:51:00,420 --> 03:51:04,800
of three grandfathered in legal non-conforming, so we already have three, Zipi.

3242
03:51:16,930 --> 03:51:18,590
I'm sure my opinion will be the time is so fast.

3243
03:51:19,270 --> 03:51:28,990
So, for me, I think it's nice for a community to actually be looking for the business support

3244
03:51:28,990 --> 03:51:34,730
because that's where we're going to be getting our tax base so I like this

3245
03:51:34,730 --> 03:51:40,830
approach here. I also thought that in our asking I should probably bring this up

3246
03:51:40,830 --> 03:51:48,030
now. Yes, we had talked last week about starting people starting up for

3247
03:51:48,030 --> 03:51:53,330
initial period and I did not see that in this document for the first year or two

3248
03:51:53,330 --> 03:51:58,470
That was the first year. Oh, yeah. I know there was a discussion about that. I was sure. I

3249
03:51:58,470 --> 03:52:04,990
Brought in a compliance period, so basically says you can grant a license for up to a 12 month period. Is that your first?

3250
03:52:05,170 --> 03:52:10,510
That was my understanding, but I couldn't offer that. That was my journey. Like someone doesn't comply with the normal requirements

3251
03:52:10,510 --> 03:52:12,750
The cops have given it a year to figure it out

3252
03:52:12,750 --> 03:52:17,670
Yeah, it was more like somebody wanted to try and see if they were going to try a business

3253
03:52:18,750 --> 03:52:23,090
and they wanted to start out as a home-based business because they know

3254
03:52:23,090 --> 03:52:26,710
anything else that they had a period of time to do that which was I thought we

3255
03:52:26,710 --> 03:52:30,390
talked about a year and I thought that was in there but I didn't see it as I

3256
03:52:30,390 --> 03:52:33,850
was reviewing this. You just don't want them to have to get a business license in the

3257
03:52:33,850 --> 03:52:38,950
first year. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. That's why I have to fill out paperwork catch

3258
03:52:55,830 --> 03:53:03,250
Yeah, I talked about this section. I talked about the piece that I saw that was missing as well. Okay. Anything else you want to do?

3259
03:53:03,830 --> 03:53:09,190
or else? Doyle, do you have any specific questions for me? I should be asking that.

3260
03:53:09,250 --> 03:53:09,390
No, no.

3261
03:53:11,460 --> 03:53:13,480
In fact, it just says, finally,

3262
03:53:16,760 --> 03:53:24,980
saying, if we go over five, not to exceed eight, or you know, some upper limit, which I don't see in here.

3263
03:53:26,000 --> 03:53:33,140
Now, that's because in this expanded home-based business, it believes, if I remember right, it's sitting there and saying that it's going to,

3264
03:53:35,900 --> 03:53:37,700
when it's going through that growth period,

3265
03:53:37,700 --> 03:53:42,820
it's going to have a time period before it has to move to commercial. So then it's gotten

3266
03:53:42,820 --> 03:53:48,140
anyways. Is that correct? We can list it in there for need to. If you feel like, Joel,

3267
03:53:48,240 --> 03:53:52,460
we can listen if you feel like you need to. I have a sip of rain over it a little bit more

3268
03:53:52,460 --> 03:53:58,820
to second. I still don't want it to turn into a commercial business. Well, we don't

3269
03:53:58,820 --> 03:54:00,240
put in down.

3270
03:54:05,900 --> 03:54:10,220
It has a size. It has a size of the property. It has to be on at least one

3271
03:54:10,220 --> 03:54:20,680
acre. And it also has another thing that expanded home-based business currently

3272
03:54:20,680 --> 03:54:24,780
exists within a thousand feet. No others can be in that area so that limits

3273
03:54:24,780 --> 03:54:29,560
of that way as well. So I threw in a little

3274
03:54:29,560 --> 03:54:30,680
session of that limited.

3275
03:54:39,930 --> 03:54:42,070
Opportunity to expand a little bit.

3276
03:54:47,220 --> 03:54:51,620
Did you see, did you see that

3277
03:54:51,620 --> 03:54:53,920
Rob added something there, I'm not sure if you heard that.

3278
03:54:54,160 --> 03:54:54,820
9.3.

3279
03:55:04,250 --> 03:55:06,110
Yeah, I think you need to list what with the cap is.

3280
03:55:06,450 --> 03:55:07,150
I think you don't do that.

3281
03:55:07,450 --> 03:55:08,310
I think that's important.

3282
03:55:20,200 --> 03:55:21,060
Boat, yes or no?

3283
03:55:22,020 --> 03:55:23,260
I heard John.

3284
03:55:23,380 --> 03:55:26,180
Cassidy and I have a hurt to a canoe on this, I don't know.

3285
03:55:30,080 --> 03:55:32,800
Going up to five employees in the home was stretched.

3286
03:55:33,100 --> 03:55:34,220
For me, that was my compromise.

3287
03:55:34,500 --> 03:55:36,240
I just cannot go about five.

3288
03:55:36,380 --> 03:55:38,540
I think it becomes crucial, because this is not

3289
03:55:41,060 --> 03:55:42,620
encountering employees at the home.

3290
03:55:42,620 --> 03:55:47,860
or occupants of the home. I can think of the work occupants of the home. So you can have five

3291
03:55:47,860 --> 03:55:51,920
employees that come from off site. You can have three that work there. So you're up to eight

3292
03:55:51,920 --> 03:55:55,300
employees just for me over five.

3293
03:55:59,150 --> 03:56:05,290
Yeah, it does say five non-resident above. So five was more than

3294
03:56:06,350 --> 03:56:12,430
anybody in the county who is allowing way more. And so I'm good with the five.

3295
03:56:13,390 --> 03:56:20,830
It's only more, I mean it's only less when you're not considering that the county still does conditionally use permits.

3296
03:56:21,710 --> 03:56:25,610
True, true, they limit those greatly though.

3297
03:56:26,410 --> 03:56:34,170
And this limit, you know, even Erdo, they're ten employees but by makers and they're considering that, so.

3298
03:56:35,010 --> 03:56:38,790
I think that's part of the discussion to cops which you discuss before, so.

3299
03:56:38,790 --> 03:56:43,390
So I just don't mind, it comes down to, I have not seen the need for this.

3300
03:56:43,750 --> 03:56:45,710
I haven't seen that,

3301
03:56:49,080 --> 03:56:54,240
it really boils down to that and you're living in this to an anchor

3302
03:56:54,240 --> 03:56:59,680
lot so it feels like the majority of the people that I talk to across the city, the ones

3303
03:56:59,680 --> 03:57:05,620
that have acres on either side, two out of probably 20 I talked to said that they'd be okay with

3304
03:57:05,620 --> 03:57:06,080
that number.

3305
03:57:06,280 --> 03:57:09,780
But everybody else has been known, so for me I'm not, I can't.

3306
03:57:09,780 --> 03:57:13,840
But I can't go over five.

3307
03:57:19,150 --> 03:57:23,950
I believe in newer, bigger, allowing this section.

3308
03:57:24,390 --> 03:57:26,270
Yeah, because I've seen businesses here that thrive,

3309
03:57:26,270 --> 03:57:29,350
and they give a lot of the community tons of money

3310
03:57:29,350 --> 03:57:32,710
at their time, you know, tons.

3311
03:57:33,070 --> 03:57:36,530
I think I don't know where the inflation's going to go.

3312
03:57:36,630 --> 03:57:37,450
Institutes go higher.

3313
03:57:37,770 --> 03:57:39,930
I just, but I think this is very, like,

3314
03:57:39,970 --> 03:57:41,170
roughly, this has pretty strict.

3315
03:57:41,170 --> 03:57:45,750
I mean, and then we don't limit to so many in like point anyway, so

3316
03:57:46,430 --> 03:57:51,620
I think the biggest thing is if you grandfather people and that's fine, but things that stop seeing potential growth, too, so

3317
03:57:53,070 --> 03:57:53,530
Come

3318
03:57:55,870 --> 03:58:00,250
down to where we want with a residential or commercial residential area. So

3319
03:58:00,250 --> 03:58:06,990
Doyle, where you in favor of allowing the expansion as a possibility or not.

3320
03:58:21,970 --> 03:58:24,450
So that's three to allow 9.3 to survive

3321
03:58:25,010 --> 03:58:27,570
subject to edits that the council might want to make.

3322
03:58:27,970 --> 03:58:31,790
I want to leave Poe as I bring it back and do some edits on it.

3323
03:58:32,010 --> 03:58:34,370
I'd like to edit it now since you're keeping it in.

3324
03:58:34,650 --> 03:58:35,310
Oh, you want to edit now?

3325
03:58:35,510 --> 03:58:36,710
Oh, we have to get it done.

3326
03:58:37,170 --> 03:58:39,850
I had a business owner call me today and they want a license.

3327
03:58:40,070 --> 03:58:40,850
We have to show up.

3328
03:58:41,010 --> 03:58:41,490
They need licenses.

3329
03:58:42,550 --> 03:58:42,890
Okay.

3330
03:58:43,250 --> 03:58:43,910
It expires.

3331
03:58:43,910 --> 03:58:47,230
They're license will expire in 45 days.

3332
03:58:49,090 --> 03:58:51,830
My agreement to that is it has to be known.

3333
03:59:13,130 --> 03:59:23,450
So you want to go through 9.3.1 and then all the way down to 12, 1 by 1, or do you guys are okay with some, not go okay with others.

3334
03:59:23,970 --> 03:59:29,530
We're going to have to map my thing to one acre homes. It's only six homes up to go a thousand feet.

3335
03:59:30,350 --> 03:59:35,770
So if you're going to have those every six homes on one acre properties with their frontage that's existing in some of these areas,

3336
03:59:36,010 --> 03:59:43,750
that's dozens of these in town in the one acre areas based on the frontage of the city required of 125 feet,

3337
03:59:44,290 --> 03:59:51,550
earth counting required, 125 feet frontage road. So if you take 125 feet by the time you get there,

3338
03:59:51,550 --> 03:59:56,470
eight homes. You and I went over eight homes within a thousand square feet, or a thousand feet, sorry.

3339
03:59:57,530 --> 03:59:58,530
Can you do that, Rob? Sure.

3340
03:59:58,910 --> 03:59:59,950
Can you do that, Rob?

3341
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:27,540
We're talking the thousand square feet that are the thousand feet. Is that from the outer edge perimeter of the property? Yeah, from property, a thousand feet in a radius on all points, the property. So it basically a thousand feet from any property in line of the property. If it touches any portion, another property that's not very far, no, that was a face not very far. It's, it's a huge distance. It's only 300 yards, 300, 400 yards.

3342
04:00:27,540 --> 04:00:34,340
When I take an acre and I expand out a thousand feet in all directions and house and bridal walk essentially

3343
04:00:41,140 --> 04:00:43,380
I think we

3344
04:00:47,640 --> 04:00:50,280
are put a lot thought into it if you guys want to take a little bit of a can I

3345
04:00:50,280 --> 04:00:52,680
Absolutely want to but might be out voting

3346
04:00:53,140 --> 04:00:58,200
Well, it is I'm going to support it on this end of the table basically nine point nine point three point one point seven

3347
04:01:00,800 --> 04:01:01,560
other one.

3348
04:01:04,580 --> 04:01:08,660
That just says a thousand feet. It doesn't say a thousand for radius. A thousand

3349
04:01:08,660 --> 04:01:11,300
feet radius is different than a thousand feet.

3350
04:01:26,060 --> 04:01:28,240
If it's loud within a thousand feet,

3351
04:01:28,440 --> 04:01:34,120
shall we be advising everybody within a thousand feet? Yes. Well, I'm different because I think

3352
04:01:34,120 --> 04:01:39,220
something of that impact and effect that whole street. Well, the thousand feet would cover

3353
04:01:41,580 --> 04:01:42,500
So

3354
04:01:49,450 --> 04:02:14,430
it goes back to 9.9 points, 9.3 points, 1.7, and then we need to refer back to 9.31.2.9.3.1.2.

3355
04:02:14,430 --> 04:02:21,050
So that's the one that it's 500 feet so I think Ryan will have here in mind just a match a thousand square feet

3356
04:02:24,330 --> 04:02:25,450
Okay, so

3357
04:02:39,570 --> 04:02:43,050
9.3.2 9.3.1.2

3358
04:02:44,130 --> 04:02:44,690
Sorry

3359
04:02:50,090 --> 04:02:53,890
side at all times, right? Because this isn't coming to be going. This is a

3360
04:02:53,890 --> 04:02:55,570
painful time on the property.

3361
04:02:56,150 --> 04:03:02,310
To eight employees total on the property. Yeah, from outside the property.

3362
04:03:02,390 --> 04:03:04,810
Right, so it could be plus all the family members.

3363
04:03:05,130 --> 04:03:05,810
Yes, so it could be up to you.

3364
04:03:06,050 --> 04:03:09,390
Yes, well, should I have any of it?

3365
04:03:09,490 --> 04:03:14,530
I like the, if you expand like 9.3, 0.1, 0.12, I like that one.

3366
04:03:14,970 --> 04:03:18,390
Robert, are you doing the same language? We wanted a radius of it.

3367
04:03:18,390 --> 04:03:21,130
Oh, yes, 1,000, 3

3368
04:03:32,200 --> 04:03:36,420
,000 is the portion of.

3369
04:03:48,020 --> 04:03:51,300
Do you want to match the 12 vehicles to the 10 that you've

3370
04:03:51,300 --> 04:03:51,780
read on above?

3371
04:03:53,240 --> 04:03:54,920
Yeah, I don't think we need to take that.

3372
04:03:54,920 --> 04:03:56,360
Is that what we do?

3373
04:03:58,040 --> 04:04:00,060
Under 3, 1, 8.

3374
04:04:00,620 --> 04:04:01,800
Yeah, the point just gets to you.

3375
04:04:02,480 --> 04:04:03,380
Sorry, it really gets to you.

3376
04:04:03,500 --> 04:04:05,400
One level up, I just somehow skip one.

3377
04:04:05,580 --> 04:04:05,740
OK.

3378
04:04:06,260 --> 04:04:07,720
And then it strikes the average.

3379
04:04:07,720 --> 04:04:08,180
We're right.

3380
04:04:08,620 --> 04:04:09,900
Yeah, we don't have average, and yes.

3381
04:04:09,900 --> 04:04:11,980
Yep, yeah, you read that

3382
04:04:27,890 --> 04:04:29,510
yeah,

3383
04:04:33,820 --> 04:04:35,160
I agree with that one

3384
04:04:37,300 --> 04:04:37,740
Yeah,

3385
04:04:39,880 --> 04:04:44,400
I like them in 12 those are good. We have

3386
04:04:48,070 --> 04:04:51,690
Change the screen I put noise and sounds and that's

3387
04:04:53,630 --> 04:04:54,070
Yeah

3388
04:04:57,190 --> 04:05:03,430
That was me being really tired trying to finish the site storage or is equipment also

3389
04:05:03,430 --> 04:05:05,710
that suggests inventory that's

3390
04:05:08,530 --> 04:05:09,690
something to be screened.

3391
04:05:09,690 --> 04:05:10,050
Okay.

3392
04:05:10,390 --> 04:05:17,790
And there are 931, 931, 6, yes, something about that, I'm going to pick that one.

3393
04:05:18,830 --> 04:05:20,590
It's because I had sound in two different ways.

3394
04:05:32,990 --> 04:05:43,870
Okay, speaking of grandfather businesses, they're not going to apply under this, do you want to include them saying, then that radius.

3395
04:05:44,290 --> 04:05:52,930
So if one of them exists, should that count as disqualifying anything else within a thousand feet of that business that's already existing?

3396
04:05:52,930 --> 04:05:58,770
I think so. It should because if we're limiting it, we should, we should account for the

3397
04:06:00,310 --> 04:06:01,310
grandfathering stops.

3398
04:06:05,330 --> 04:06:09,850
Right, but just saying for the existing businesses that have a higher

3399
04:06:09,850 --> 04:06:14,610
number of employees and you're currently allowing, they're not going to really fall under

3400
04:06:14,610 --> 04:06:19,370
this because their grandfathered in, but do you want to count them for the radius distancing?

3401
04:06:21,910 --> 04:06:26,470
Did you hear that? That makes sense. He wants to know if you want to include the grandfather

3402
04:06:26,470 --> 04:06:30,930
I think I got two yeses, so if somebody wants to move in next year,

3403
04:06:32,940 --> 04:06:37,980
they can't do it within a thousand.

3404
04:06:38,240 --> 04:06:41,520
Within a thousand feet, yes, they're premium.

3405
04:06:41,580 --> 04:06:48,160
I think 1,000 should be 1,000 for many businesses as an accessible time employee.

3406
04:06:49,320 --> 04:06:50,680
Okay, Chris, that's three.

3407
04:06:50,680 --> 04:06:55,060
Okay, residential,

3408
04:07:01,490 --> 04:07:02,550
business,

3409
04:07:08,680 --> 04:07:09,200
five,

3410
04:07:10,640 --> 04:07:11,160
employees,

3411
04:07:14,490 --> 04:07:15,010
employees,

3412
04:07:15,590 --> 04:07:16,550
who are not?

3413
04:07:24,340 --> 04:07:26,320
That would expand if any of these expanded ones

3414
04:07:26,320 --> 04:07:28,320
or any grandfathered ones are counted

3415
04:07:28,320 --> 04:07:29,000
for that radius.

3416
04:07:29,580 --> 04:07:30,040
Termists.

3417
04:07:39,690 --> 04:07:41,570
Here are thoughts on the 9.3 section.

3418
04:07:42,590 --> 04:07:45,250
Yes, I think we should limit it to time.

3419
04:07:45,950 --> 04:07:48,570
They should only operate this way for a year, 18 months,

3420
04:07:48,650 --> 04:07:50,410
or shouldn't be ongoing.

3421
04:07:50,410 --> 04:07:53,630
because it's a commercial business in my view.

3422
04:07:55,290 --> 04:07:57,630
Dougie here, Ryan, sorry, I should have put closer.

3423
04:07:58,730 --> 04:07:59,530
Just a few pieces.

3424
04:07:59,970 --> 04:08:04,470
Just that we should time limit it to they can operate this way for 12 months or a year,

3425
04:08:04,730 --> 04:08:08,190
but then have to move on if we're trying to get them to move the commercial,

3426
04:08:08,190 --> 04:08:11,550
what compels them to do it without a limit they can operate that way.

3427
04:08:13,210 --> 04:08:13,970
Do you hear that?

3428
04:08:24,480 --> 04:08:28,500
That was one of the suggestions I had like last time,

3429
04:08:28,500 --> 04:08:34,500
The scaling option. We're basically just like hey you got so much time if not you got to go down to five employees again

3430
04:08:35,820 --> 04:08:37,080
Yes, that's one we just got.

3431
04:08:38,280 --> 04:08:38,660
Is

3432
04:08:47,070 --> 04:08:48,650
there a third to support that?

3433
04:08:49,230 --> 04:08:53,410
Because I heard kind of two indicating favor of a time limit factor.

3434
04:09:11,260 --> 04:09:13,780
And then where you would favor of a lot of them.

3435
04:09:13,780 --> 04:09:20,180
Well, that's one I suggested. I'm just trying to thank you out because I mean the only way I would be in favor of that

3436
04:09:20,180 --> 04:09:25,200
That is if we didn't include the grandfather ones right now.

3437
04:09:29,040 --> 04:09:31,500
They wouldn't be forced out because they're grandfathered.

3438
04:09:31,500 --> 04:09:41,080
No, what I'm saying, within the thousand foot, because now you're going to just be limiting the number of people that can sit there and transition through that.

3439
04:09:41,920 --> 04:09:51,400
So I'm okay with them transitioning, but that I wouldn't want the others based off of that thousand foot, the grandfather ones based off of that thousand foot.

3440
04:09:51,400 --> 04:09:59,340
But just to give opportunities to citizens, to sit there, grow their businesses, and then expand out, that would make sense to me.

3441
04:10:08,620 --> 04:10:14,480
But that's, if not, then I'm not for it, if that makes sense.

3442
04:10:14,860 --> 04:10:14,920
Yep.

3443
04:10:15,400 --> 04:10:15,460
Okay.

3444
04:10:16,460 --> 04:10:20,320
Well, again, I think I heard three kind of in favor of it.

3445
04:10:20,780 --> 04:10:24,380
12 months, 18 months, what's the time frame you're looking at?

3446
04:10:29,540 --> 04:10:34,300
I think we're going to do it. You need at least a year. You're going to have to build something if you're going to build something about 18 and 18.

3447
04:10:35,120 --> 04:10:37,760
What's the outer limit you want to set? I think 18.

3448
04:10:37,940 --> 04:10:39,160
The majority want to set. 18.

3449
04:10:39,960 --> 04:10:40,400
I

3450
04:10:43,700 --> 04:10:44,940
enter Doyle or Kathleen.

3451
04:10:50,610 --> 04:10:54,470
The father out 18 versus 12, but that's now choices.

3452
04:10:55,370 --> 04:11:04,910
I think providing them the years time like Ryan stated is sufficient for them to determine if they can or can't make it work.

3453
04:11:17,790 --> 04:11:18,190
I think

3454
04:11:27,470 --> 04:11:30,850
you need to put it in there too if they can't accomplish it at the time frame

3455
04:11:30,850 --> 04:11:35,630
robbed and then we just have to go back to five yeah it's pretty like and

3456
04:11:41,040 --> 04:11:41,380
I think we

3457
04:11:41,380 --> 04:11:49,140
talked about two of the point I think they had to show like intent to leave has to be at

3458
04:11:49,140 --> 04:11:53,120
or somebody like, right, so I think it has to show

3459
04:11:53,120 --> 04:11:54,440
that you're actually doing something.

3460
04:11:54,560 --> 04:11:56,220
It can't be like, oh yeah, we're gonna do this, you know?

3461
04:11:56,240 --> 04:11:58,120
If they're building and they're seeding

3462
04:11:58,120 --> 04:12:00,520
the 12 months we'd expand because they've brought in

3463
04:12:00,520 --> 04:12:01,700
their thing.

3464
04:12:02,040 --> 04:12:04,340
Well, let's say they're not 12 months away.

3465
04:12:04,480 --> 04:12:07,420
Let's say they dug ground on Lake Point or whenever,

3466
04:12:09,520 --> 04:12:11,280
and let's say they're within, you know,

3467
04:12:11,400 --> 04:12:15,380
it's the month 10, you know, would that be an option

3468
04:12:15,380 --> 04:12:17,200
to say, hey, look, I'm with a building costs.

3469
04:12:17,200 --> 04:12:22,400
I've gone up a little bit or shipping supplies would be you know, this isn't make it come back and talk to say we need

3470
04:12:22,400 --> 04:12:27,320
Five or more months. These are some that you know, that would be a little understandable. Maybe but I don't know

3471
04:12:29,800 --> 04:12:35,060
So I think maybe we have the option to say look you got 12 months my friend and if you don't show the contract or you break the

3472
04:12:35,060 --> 04:12:36,060
Contra in that time

3473
04:12:36,060 --> 04:12:41,740
I modified you said let us know and then if you can't make the deal you got to go back to five and then if you can make the deal

3474
04:12:41,740 --> 04:12:46,600
You need to extend a little bit you had to come before the councilman to prove it if not kind of like we've done with all other things if not

3475
04:12:46,600 --> 04:12:53,840
you're done. I think that would be we can write an extension clause with proof of extension up to

3476
04:12:53,840 --> 04:12:59,640
18. Well, so you already kind of have one as I wrote in. You have an additional 12-month just for any

3477
04:12:59,640 --> 04:13:04,860
business license to get them to conform. Okay. And we have with the council's approval. Oh,

3478
04:13:06,970 --> 04:13:07,570
just like,

3479
04:13:07,730 --> 04:13:14,130
no, like you're not having 50 people show up a day kind of deal. Car will limit out. Yeah. I thought

3480
04:13:14,130 --> 04:13:18,590
you wanted to allow retail because you should be excluded like you cannot operate

3481
04:13:18,590 --> 04:13:25,730
and you took it out to allow that's right but you were limiting it based on cars trips anything

3482
04:13:30,590 --> 04:13:30,830
else

3483
04:13:30,830 --> 04:13:32,390
in that one guys do

3484
04:13:38,950 --> 04:13:41,470
you want to put down that they had to revert back to five employees Rob

3485
04:13:41,470 --> 04:13:47,110
they they had to revert back to five employees if they can't swing it okay was after the period you

3486
04:13:47,110 --> 04:13:52,090
said yeah either relocate either relocate yeah relocation to what normal

3487
04:13:52,090 --> 04:13:53,250
almost a business requires.

3488
04:13:53,590 --> 04:13:55,830
Yep, and I think, Ryan, if you were in favor,

3489
04:13:56,030 --> 04:13:57,190
something like just like, hey, they,

3490
04:13:57,590 --> 04:13:58,950
he looked extension on there.

3491
04:13:59,510 --> 04:14:00,930
Great, like we talked about.

3492
04:14:01,150 --> 04:14:02,510
And if not, then they're kind of done.

3493
04:14:03,030 --> 04:14:05,050
And there's a general, that's under the next section.

3494
04:14:05,290 --> 04:14:05,770
Oh, okay.

3495
04:14:05,950 --> 04:14:07,470
It's a compliance option for the council.

3496
04:14:07,730 --> 04:14:07,970
Okay.

3497
04:14:10,520 --> 04:14:12,440
Do you guys want anything or take away anything else

3498
04:14:12,440 --> 04:14:13,180
on that one or?

3499
04:14:21,080 --> 04:14:22,960
We're jumping to that compliance section.

3500
04:14:23,060 --> 04:14:25,100
Would that then give them 24 or would that,

3501
04:14:25,720 --> 04:14:27,840
if the council approved it?

3502
04:14:28,060 --> 04:14:28,280
Yes.

3503
04:14:28,600 --> 04:14:29,460
Oh, that's a long time.

3504
04:14:30,180 --> 04:14:35,960
But it had to be the council crew because they showed good cause because they have a plan that they're showing I've seen this happen with

3505
04:14:36,460 --> 04:14:38,600
Someone had a commercial lease that they've signed

3506
04:14:39,420 --> 04:14:45,120
But the building permit wasn't it was like they were working on it they could show pictures. It's just

3507
04:14:45,660 --> 04:14:49,980
It took longer than they anticipated to get the site fully renovated for their improvement

3508
04:14:50,560 --> 04:14:57,400
So the council said while you still have that going we're fine to extend it for up to I think they allowed for one more year

3509
04:14:58,120 --> 04:14:59,960
That's what I'm just being like the compliance is someone has-

3510
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:29,800
Come in and show them exactly what they're doing. Not a, we think we'll figure it out, but it was, here's our contract. Here's our building permit. Here's our contractor. Here's the site we're at. We just can't get there within a year. You know, we can't get there within a month. So give us a few more months to figure it out. Commercial usually builds out slower. Everything slower than you want it to be. But potentially the next is 24 months. Correct. You could have 12 months to operate at this higher level.

3511
04:15:29,800 --> 04:15:35,320
plus a 12 month as they're figuring out whether they want to scale it down or move out.

3512
04:15:40,940 --> 04:15:46,180
And on that note, this was a topic raised by John that I think I left off from a discussion

3513
04:15:46,180 --> 04:15:50,000
y'all had last time. Did you want to give an option for home-based businesses to not

3514
04:15:50,000 --> 04:15:54,980
have a business license for their first year? As written, they're supposed to get one

3515
04:15:54,980 --> 04:15:59,640
as soon as they begin operating. Do you want to give them a year? Say, like, allow it,

3516
04:15:59,680 --> 04:16:02,660
but not require it for their first year. I think we discuss data register,

3517
04:16:02,660 --> 04:16:05,880
and then they have one year and then the second year they have to do business classes.

3518
04:16:06,220 --> 04:16:06,960
That's what we discussed.

3519
04:16:07,300 --> 04:16:10,000
I think I just missed that part in the discussion.

3520
04:16:10,460 --> 04:16:12,920
So I'm going to toss that in, where it says,

3521
04:16:15,580 --> 04:16:18,860
a home business shall obtain a business license from the city,

3522
04:16:19,400 --> 04:16:29,520
and I'll just throw in that home-based business has registered with the city.

3523
04:16:30,740 --> 04:16:38,000
business license is not required for the first year of operation something like that maybe ask a

3524
04:16:38,000 --> 04:16:41,380
question if we're targeting the first year start have been what if a 10 year

3525
04:16:41,380 --> 04:16:45,980
business comes in and it's their first year operation at like point but their business has been made maybe

3526
04:16:45,980 --> 04:16:51,220
could put down first year ever open yeah yeah yeah that's what I think we're kind of catering to the

3527
04:16:51,220 --> 04:16:56,860
person is like, yeah, I'm trying to get my way into the air in the meanness, you know,

3528
04:16:59,200 --> 04:17:01,100
first year of the business is operation.

3529
04:17:02,180 --> 04:17:02,540
Anywhere.

3530
04:17:03,040 --> 04:17:03,200
Yes.

3531
04:17:05,160 --> 04:17:13,080
Now, one thing to guess would it be, uh, because what I want to say is, why are the 10 year business

3532
04:17:13,080 --> 04:17:13,560
moved late?

3533
04:17:13,680 --> 04:17:14,800
Yeah, but it's not any location.

3534
04:17:15,180 --> 04:17:16,240
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

3535
04:17:16,240 --> 04:17:20,420
I think, I think we all, John Doyle, I think we all can agree on that one, yeah.

3536
04:17:23,740 --> 04:17:27,980
You cannot, yeah, part of discrimination, you can't say you have to build them late

3537
04:17:27,980 --> 04:17:30,040
point for that extra 12 months, right, and that's what I thought.

3538
04:17:32,460 --> 04:17:33,980
I don't know, I'm just thinking about it loud, guys.

3539
04:17:37,920 --> 04:17:42,780
Do you guys want to do 18 months or 24 months, extended, they have a possibility.

3540
04:17:42,780 --> 04:17:48,880
that now allows the two together allows 24 that seems like a long I think 18 would be I'd probably

3541
04:17:48,880 --> 04:17:57,440
okay with that. Max of 18. Max of 18. Yeah so that compliance. Yeah. The months to relocate

3542
04:17:57,440 --> 04:18:03,620
different 18 at the maximum 18 would be if they need extended so 12 months would be the start

3543
04:18:03,620 --> 04:18:10,360
and the max you know if they come to say look we know supply chains are crazy still but I mean

3544
04:18:10,360 --> 04:18:14,600
We need a three month. Okay, great. But it has to be done under the six months.

3545
04:18:15,540 --> 04:18:20,000
So that would be changed under 10.6. The compliance period is only six months, not 12.

3546
04:18:20,480 --> 04:18:23,980
Correct. Okay. Is that okay? Where can we have options to go?

3547
04:18:24,160 --> 04:18:27,560
We have options on that. Yeah. Yeah. So that's after we do notifications, find out what to do.

3548
04:18:28,420 --> 04:18:34,800
Okay. Just excluding that because if somebody is that interested, they're going to come

3549
04:18:37,340 --> 04:18:39,740
with giving them a care extension

3550
04:18:42,970 --> 04:18:44,370
on their two. Okay.

3551
04:18:44,370 --> 04:18:50,910
Okay, and is that pretty much it? Does anybody have any other questions on anything else?

3552
04:18:51,450 --> 04:18:52,730
Just back to my first one.

3553
04:18:53,130 --> 04:18:55,230
Yeah, yeah, what is yours for us? What section was it?

3554
04:18:55,250 --> 04:19:01,290
I wanted to be similar to Erda, another one, and limit the home occupation of dwelling on the home-based

3555
04:19:01,290 --> 04:19:03,870
business to dwelling accessory structure or a lot.

3556
04:19:05,910 --> 04:19:07,090
What section was that again?

3557
04:19:07,590 --> 04:19:11,470
That's the beginning, but also 6.2 is affected and 9.3.

3558
04:19:11,990 --> 04:19:13,590
Okay. Let's go back to the first one.

3559
04:19:18,800 --> 04:19:19,780
What was the first round?

3560
04:19:21,300 --> 04:19:23,960
It's different at the very beginning.

3561
04:19:24,240 --> 04:19:27,120
Yes, and then it's throughout, depending on how we rewrite it.

3562
04:19:28,520 --> 04:19:33,240
So this was a question we, original as I drafted a long long time ago,

3563
04:19:33,420 --> 04:19:37,280
not the original thing considered, but it was within the structure,

3564
04:19:37,780 --> 04:19:40,800
and then we moved away from that. So I think that was the question.

3565
04:19:40,800 --> 04:19:46,280
Do you want to have that in the structure restriction or a structure for the home occupation?

3566
04:19:46,460 --> 04:19:52,500
Yes, which is the single person, which is the up to one employee, no real impacts, no visits, nothing.

3567
04:19:57,720 --> 04:20:04,920
Why are you, I worry about living in just the home when maybe they do all their stuff out of the garage, and they have no impact to anybody.

3568
04:20:05,480 --> 04:20:11,460
Yeah, they have everything in the garage, yeah, or the way we currently written it can be on your whole parcel.

3569
04:20:11,460 --> 04:20:12,080
Right.

3570
04:20:12,680 --> 04:20:17,060
So it didn't understand the bill and it could be, I could be doing it all back on my

3571
04:20:17,060 --> 04:20:17,160
name.

3572
04:20:17,820 --> 04:20:19,820
Well, I think it could have been in 12, isn't it?

3573
04:20:20,220 --> 04:20:21,100
That's what I'm asking.

3574
04:20:21,280 --> 04:20:22,640
Or within a structure.

3575
04:20:23,260 --> 04:20:23,340
Structure.

3576
04:20:23,880 --> 04:20:27,600
Because right now it's open to the whole property, the way we redrashed it.

3577
04:20:29,870 --> 04:20:32,530
I'm fine with the being on the property no matter where.

3578
04:20:32,970 --> 04:20:36,000
But that's just where I stand.

3579
04:20:39,250 --> 04:20:40,110
I've got one in one.

3580
04:20:45,330 --> 04:20:50,010
And then it seemed like some of the council members were okay with it being in a structure.

3581
04:20:53,370 --> 04:21:00,010
So I guess the three options are home only, structures only, buildings, any building

3582
04:21:00,010 --> 04:21:05,770
structure or just anything on the property as long as you're in the secondary incidental.

3583
04:21:09,940 --> 04:21:11,960
I'm okay with the garage, I'm just trying to think of the property.

3584
04:21:12,440 --> 04:21:15,760
What's the scenarios beyond what we discuss tonight, anything else?

3585
04:21:16,400 --> 04:21:20,160
When do you think that if they're in the yard, that would have an impact on many of those?

3586
04:21:20,160 --> 04:21:21,720
It might I don't know

3587
04:21:29,760 --> 04:21:33,560
I think I think I

3588
04:21:33,560 --> 04:21:35,720
I agree is on that one cafe

3589
04:21:36,340 --> 04:21:43,260
In your account and work in the back whatever I agree is on the enclosed building I like that

3590
04:21:44,960 --> 04:21:45,480
I

3591
04:21:48,100 --> 04:21:52,200
like to sit down my back deck with my laptop on my lap

3592
04:21:53,000 --> 04:21:59,820
With my employee there, doing our accounting services, that would limit it.

3593
04:22:00,600 --> 04:22:02,880
I like to get vitamin D with the sun.

3594
04:22:06,610 --> 04:22:08,990
I don't think that's the one that you're going to get complaints on.

3595
04:22:09,570 --> 04:22:11,990
You're going to get complaints on the one that they're-

3596
04:22:11,990 --> 04:22:14,250
I'm just saying you're saying that it's not allowed.

3597
04:22:14,570 --> 04:22:15,230
That's what I'm saying.

3598
04:22:16,430 --> 04:22:21,010
Yeah, but we're writing for the actual big impact, not the guy sitting on his porch where

3599
04:22:21,010 --> 04:22:28,230
known to give you know he's working if we allow it right then those ones that are

3600
04:22:28,230 --> 04:22:32,770
in impact we can't address as they become an impact then they have to move to

3601
04:22:32,770 --> 04:22:37,970
home basis but we can't do that if we don't write it well it's certainly no impact

3602
04:22:37,970 --> 04:22:43,130
right which is a second so we have an impact on there it has no minimal off-site

3603
04:22:43,130 --> 04:22:48,130
impacts no more minimal that cover that raw primary residential use yeah

3604
04:22:48,130 --> 04:22:51,990
As long as it doesn't have an impact to your resident, then it's a whole new job.

3605
04:22:53,110 --> 04:22:55,910
Yes, there's a good good plan to whatever we get it.

3606
04:22:55,990 --> 04:22:59,610
Who determines how impactful it is and what is the impact the German?

3607
04:23:01,810 --> 04:23:03,130
We have to know what he said.

3608
04:23:03,710 --> 04:23:05,490
Well, it's like how he said it is.

3609
04:23:05,510 --> 04:23:06,370
So it says, you know, we're minimal.

3610
04:23:07,210 --> 04:23:09,470
If they have enough of an impact, you say, okay, it's enough.

3611
04:23:09,850 --> 04:23:12,070
You get a business license here now on this business.

3612
04:23:12,370 --> 04:23:13,210
That's what it kicks it to.

3613
04:23:13,570 --> 04:23:15,190
Is that required three people?

3614
04:23:16,650 --> 04:23:22,130
Yeah, I mean, it's up to the council to enforce, but the penalty is your home-based business.

3615
04:23:22,290 --> 04:23:23,050
It's not a merely a penalty.

3616
04:23:23,210 --> 04:23:24,130
Did you have an impact on that?

3617
04:23:24,130 --> 04:23:25,130
You pay for a business license.

3618
04:23:25,290 --> 04:23:25,430
Yes.

3619
04:23:25,430 --> 04:23:26,870
You start operating with that requirement.

3620
04:23:27,050 --> 04:23:29,270
Make sure you're parking and that applies.

3621
04:23:29,530 --> 04:23:31,390
But why does this stuff part of our business?

3622
04:23:31,490 --> 04:23:32,270
That's what I'm asking.

3623
04:23:32,650 --> 04:23:34,470
Are we going with the required street people?

3624
04:23:34,910 --> 04:23:35,730
That's not part of it.

3625
04:23:35,730 --> 04:23:36,570
You could just be going neighbors.

3626
04:23:36,570 --> 04:23:38,310
You don't worry if you're going to talk about three people.

3627
04:23:38,450 --> 04:23:43,390
That's the nuisance when they're trees dead and their noise is too loud.

3628
04:23:43,870 --> 04:23:52,410
Okay, so that's good with me that I'm fine. Yeah, I think okay, let's go down to us as other one right now

3629
04:23:52,410 --> 04:23:57,930
No, if we don't I don't think we have to change anything. Yeah, we're good right Ryan says he's good

3630
04:23:57,930 --> 04:24:02,050
Let's was a second one you had right that they were all tied together. Oh, okay

3631
04:24:04,410 --> 04:24:10,690
Hey, trying to wrap my head around Curtis rural everyone. I read this for all of them have that same requirement

3632
04:24:14,990 --> 04:24:16,330
So it's just finished question.

3633
04:24:16,350 --> 04:24:17,430
Yeah, it just delayed it.

3634
04:24:17,670 --> 04:24:21,230
Like, the reason why I put it in there because I didn't see it,

3635
04:24:21,230 --> 04:24:22,290
it looked like you didn't finish it.

3636
04:24:22,490 --> 04:24:23,570
And so that's what I was like finish.

3637
04:24:23,810 --> 04:24:25,670
And it looked like you just, you didn't have a period.

3638
04:24:26,950 --> 04:24:31,430
So, I don't know, I saw it when I first opened the document

3639
04:24:31,430 --> 04:24:33,230
and then I don't see it after I'm going through it.

3640
04:24:33,230 --> 04:24:34,510
So I figured it was probably fixed.

3641
04:24:35,730 --> 04:24:36,110
I don't know.

3642
04:24:37,390 --> 04:24:39,010
As long as you don't put two, three seasons

3643
04:24:39,010 --> 04:24:39,990
occupation on cool rub.

3644
04:24:40,990 --> 04:24:41,790
So, you're good.

3645
04:24:41,910 --> 04:24:42,930
You did an excellent job on this.

3646
04:24:42,930 --> 04:24:44,050
that's where we started.

3647
04:24:46,170 --> 04:24:53,770
We still have that question on service shops. What number

3648
04:24:53,770 --> 04:25:04,190
was that? 8.1.2. Okay. Oh, that the one with that. How much do you use your yard for this?

3649
04:25:06,600 --> 04:25:10,420
Do you hear that we're back to 8.1? What we're doing at the square footage or if

3650
04:25:14,800 --> 04:25:18,600
we're

3651
04:25:23,630 --> 04:25:24,130
the hardest one.

3652
04:25:31,100 --> 04:25:33,740
I think you don't want to go way too much. You don't want to go too low.

3653
04:25:38,290 --> 04:25:44,030
Jordan had some comments here tonight that was about his equipment in a sense. Yep, we

3654
04:25:44,030 --> 04:25:49,650
don't want to block that stuff. We don't want to block anything like that. I guess the question

3655
04:25:49,650 --> 04:25:53,850
you guys want square feet, where do you want item number items, or do you want both, where

3656
04:25:53,850 --> 04:25:58,710
are you thinking? You got all those options. Yeah, we can do both. We can do both. We can

3657
04:25:58,710 --> 04:26:08,470
at two. My preference was just the number. I mean you're going to control the amount of extra garbage

3658
04:26:08,470 --> 04:26:13,450
that somebody has there by limiting it to three lawn mowers or fridges

3659
04:26:16,110 --> 04:26:18,030
or whatever they're working on.

3660
04:26:22,040 --> 04:26:26,760
I think James, I think Jamie wanted to go with the yardstick and measure stuff so. Bring it on.

3661
04:26:29,400 --> 04:26:32,560
I'm okay with just going to the numbers. Forget the square feet. Do you guys want to do that?

3662
04:26:32,560 --> 04:26:32,640
What?

3663
04:26:34,360 --> 04:26:36,080
Where do you guys want to still keep the square feet?

3664
04:26:36,600 --> 04:26:36,800
Are

3665
04:26:42,760 --> 04:26:43,680
you still encouraging?

3666
04:26:44,580 --> 04:26:47,260
Because you originally wanted to put it inside of the structure.

3667
04:26:47,520 --> 04:26:51,140
But if it doesn't, then they get that on top of it.

3668
04:26:51,300 --> 04:26:51,500
Correct?

3669
04:26:52,580 --> 04:26:52,920
Yes.

3670
04:26:53,440 --> 04:26:55,480
Everything's in the structure, except for whatever you say.

3671
04:26:56,320 --> 04:26:57,220
I put it in numbers.

3672
04:26:57,680 --> 04:27:00,800
You can have two cars that you're working on that get scored outside.

3673
04:27:02,240 --> 04:27:04,920
And you can have four generators.

3674
04:27:08,900 --> 04:27:09,360
What do you think?

3675
04:27:09,360 --> 04:27:17,040
I think Mike at least has five to eight lawnmowers out there at one time, but it's very clean, kept in the corner, but

3676
04:27:20,650 --> 04:27:22,070
it's running as I can deep thicken right now.

3677
04:27:22,250 --> 04:27:30,930
No, I don't want to limit anyone, but when people come in here and tell me they're going to put dozens of cars in their yard and have a hundred of fair, we have to limit stuff.

3678
04:27:32,350 --> 04:27:35,250
I think I like the small and large, I think I like that suggestion,

3679
04:27:42,590 --> 04:27:45,810
throw some numbers out, guys. Do you want people we have there?

3680
04:27:51,760 --> 04:28:00,500
I think cars are different enough that they should be treated as cars.

3681
04:28:02,770 --> 04:28:08,420
I suggest that you have a limit on cars brought in to the property from offsite.

3682
04:28:09,060 --> 04:28:11,660
Not the cars that it already belonged to residents there.

3683
04:28:12,120 --> 04:28:14,200
The cars brought in offsite for work.

3684
04:28:14,720 --> 04:28:22,080
I think you should split a specific number on the number on the number of cars brought in at the time.

3685
04:28:22,380 --> 04:28:29,220
I lived in neighborhood once where a guy just brought in crashed cars and parked them on the street.

3686
04:28:29,480 --> 04:28:30,260
That was his business.

3687
04:28:31,420 --> 04:28:35,360
And we had a city ordinance and we were always having to call at least that.

3688
04:28:35,820 --> 04:28:44,120
I just saw what happens when you have three or four cars at a time crashed lingering for more than the 72 hours.

3689
04:28:44,120 --> 04:28:49,060
four or five days, six days trip and one stuff like that. I realize that's not what this is,

3690
04:28:49,360 --> 04:28:55,620
but I've seen situations where you have multiple cars causing blood. Was he just

3691
04:28:55,620 --> 04:28:59,180
repairing them, like salvaged tidal and just where you put them and sell them? I don't know

3692
04:28:59,180 --> 04:29:05,340
what he did. He was using his, he had a corner lot and he was using that to store the jalapeas,

3693
04:29:05,340 --> 04:29:11,320
Okay, he was just using it for artistic expression.

3694
04:29:11,500 --> 04:29:17,880
Yeah, more like yes, I just think there's there's all kinds of trouble you can make with

3695
04:29:17,880 --> 04:29:23,260
other stuff, washing machines, whatever, whatever else you do, I would encourage you to

3696
04:29:23,260 --> 04:29:27,460
specify the number of cars, vehicles, motor vehicles.

3697
04:29:32,590 --> 04:29:37,710
Yeah, we were about that. We've heard a little bit about that. So do you want to just put a

3698
04:29:37,710 --> 04:29:43,410
the closet for cars, vehicles, or anything that like.

3699
04:29:43,570 --> 04:29:51,150
Rob, does that already include the way that it's written with the two large things, or that would just include cars, right?

3700
04:29:51,850 --> 04:29:57,610
Or it could include a piece of equipment or a large piece of equipment or anything big.

3701
04:29:58,130 --> 04:29:58,410
Okay.

3702
04:29:59,090 --> 04:29:59,970
I think it's our...

3703
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:01,640
It is there.

3704
04:30:03,900 --> 04:30:13,400
I mean, if you want to be more specific, I guess you can, but I think it's already included in what you put in there. And I know that you don't have access to look and see what you said, but.

3705
04:30:15,660 --> 04:30:19,620
Yeah, they're all the second one or third or first.

3706
04:30:21,920 --> 04:30:23,300
Thank you for your comments.

3707
04:30:24,060 --> 04:30:33,580
8.1.2.2 provided that a residential business may work on and store up to two large items

3708
04:30:33,580 --> 04:30:41,940
such as motor vehicles, trailers, or construction equipment, and up to four small items such

3709
04:30:41,940 --> 04:30:46,400
as small motor equipment or appliances outside of a building or structure on the property.

3710
04:30:51,860 --> 04:30:56,340
Yeah, that's one of the options they're looking at I do I'd like the two large items may

3711
04:30:56,340 --> 04:31:00,760
force them around there and then small items I'm thinking like six or eight I just think

3712
04:31:02,020 --> 04:31:07,480
you know I mean eight I'm thinking eight large items you guys want to stick with two or do

3713
04:31:07,480 --> 04:31:11,940
I go like four I want to go higher than four I just think once you start pushing down this like

3714
04:31:12,600 --> 04:31:16,980
And then maybe you could put a thing in there that has to keep it out of, you know, can't be in the front yard.

3715
04:31:17,880 --> 04:31:23,160
Has to be on the back or somewhere in clothes or has to be somewhere, you know.

3716
04:31:23,280 --> 04:31:29,020
I mean, you could do two large items that's seen from the road and then for if they have them

3717
04:31:31,290 --> 04:31:32,870
screened from view.

3718
04:31:33,410 --> 04:31:33,730
I don't know.

3719
04:31:34,410 --> 04:31:37,310
If they got rid of building, that's okay.

3720
04:31:37,730 --> 04:31:38,290
It doesn't matter.

3721
04:31:38,290 --> 04:31:41,510
Yeah. Yeah. But two outside.

3722
04:31:43,670 --> 04:31:46,290
Just looking at the George's mini.

3723
04:31:48,440 --> 04:31:52,170
I got an eight building inside to work on.

3724
04:31:52,170 --> 04:31:56,490
Do you want to have any things you got outside enough to get in trouble?

3725
04:31:57,670 --> 04:32:01,710
Well, no, that's what I work. Why do you guys are here? Give us an impact. So what would be a safe number?

3726
04:32:02,090 --> 04:32:03,870
What would be a situation? I'm toys down there.

3727
04:32:04,270 --> 04:32:12,770
Yeah. He's some fun toys. What? Well, I'm just thinking about enforcement because like somebody like David Walbeck on the corner is exactly what he just described.

3728
04:32:13,470 --> 04:32:17,750
And David says they're all personal vehicles, but he's part amount selling them on eBay.

3729
04:32:19,450 --> 04:32:23,710
Who's someone's going to, as soon as this gets passed, someone's going to snatch them out.

3730
04:32:23,810 --> 04:32:31,870
And then how is this going to get, I mean, you guys are legislating yourselves into just lawsuit hell here.

3731
04:32:32,450 --> 04:32:39,350
It is what it's going to turn into. And I'm just curious, all it takes is, you know, you say that,

3732
04:32:39,350 --> 04:32:41,310
Oh, well, a lot of people won't care about it,

3733
04:32:41,330 --> 04:32:43,470
but it just takes one late-point resident,

3734
04:32:44,030 --> 04:32:45,590
who's disgruntled to drive around

3735
04:32:45,590 --> 04:32:48,410
and find every violation, submittimal.

3736
04:32:48,650 --> 04:32:50,690
And then because you guys wrote the ordinances,

3737
04:32:50,870 --> 04:32:51,850
you have to enforce them.

3738
04:32:53,090 --> 04:32:55,350
And I think you guys are underestimating,

3739
04:32:56,170 --> 04:32:58,850
your job is gonna be full-time code enforcement

3740
04:32:59,430 --> 04:33:01,010
because it all falls back to you right now

3741
04:33:01,010 --> 04:33:02,550
unless we hire somebody to do it.

3742
04:33:02,550 --> 04:33:07,130
And then that's a full-time employee for the city.

3743
04:33:07,130 --> 04:33:10,310
Just for clarity, this is tight only to business licenses.

3744
04:33:10,670 --> 04:33:13,670
The nuisance, we actually exempted all those vehicles there.

3745
04:33:13,950 --> 04:33:14,390
They're all exempt.

3746
04:33:14,450 --> 04:33:17,970
But I'm saying he's running a business, that's what somebody could complain is that because

3747
04:33:17,970 --> 04:33:22,810
he's partying those cars out and selling them on eBay, it's not personal, it's not a nuisance,

3748
04:33:22,990 --> 04:33:26,650
it falls under the business portion of the code you're writing.

3749
04:33:27,150 --> 04:33:30,710
But how would that be in foreshore, because if he just says it's not a business, there's

3750
04:33:30,710 --> 04:33:31,710
another way we can do, right?

3751
04:33:32,770 --> 04:33:35,390
If he says I'm not selling anything, it's like at what level?

3752
04:33:35,390 --> 04:33:46,310
I mean, if we can determine that he is selling something with that as a business, we'd say you've got to get registered and you've got to follow this process forward and then the question is how far does it become to go with it?

3753
04:33:48,500 --> 04:33:51,060
There's people in his house every night buying car parts.

3754
04:33:51,880 --> 04:33:58,420
I believe you, but I do want to clear that we exempted all storage vehicles like that out in our nuisance.

3755
04:33:58,840 --> 04:33:59,180
Right.

3756
04:33:59,860 --> 04:34:04,120
That's why I'm struggling with this because we had such pushback about it.

3757
04:34:04,120 --> 04:34:08,340
allowing, not, not, I mean, prohibiting them, yeah, prohibiting them, and then we're

3758
04:34:08,340 --> 04:34:14,820
going to put it up here. I might, I think we focus on the motor vehicles under repair,

3759
04:34:16,020 --> 04:34:21,100
because that was the main feedback. Don't allow little repair shocks everywhere, you know, with

3760
04:34:21,100 --> 04:34:25,660
more than a couple of vehicles, if you didn't mind. So, right, you're mainly in towards this

3761
04:34:25,660 --> 04:34:31,280
auto mechanic, like we talked about in the herd and other places, yes. Okay, there, it's their shop,

3762
04:34:31,280 --> 04:34:36,080
We had the one person. You're not repairing them. Jordan you're just parking. Then it's not

3763
04:34:37,460 --> 04:34:41,740
We're just saying this is for repair, right? Yeah, this is repair

3764
04:34:44,400 --> 04:34:47,580
Here's your. Oh, no, I'm I repair them to

3765
04:34:50,420 --> 04:34:54,860
Mother not all being repaired at the same time hopefully not because that would be

3766
04:34:54,860 --> 04:34:58,900
It was financially hard for a business owner too.

3767
04:34:59,380 --> 04:35:04,280
What you described as we're trying not to do, you know, to allow business operate but

3768
04:35:04,280 --> 04:35:08,480
also deal with the bad actor because we had one come in here and make clear to us, I'll

3769
04:35:08,480 --> 04:35:12,560
put 40 vehicles on my property and have them down every street and repair only one at a

3770
04:35:12,560 --> 04:35:12,740
time.

3771
04:35:13,520 --> 04:35:14,620
That's what we don't want.

3772
04:35:16,060 --> 04:35:21,000
And he did have that in the county made him get rid of it and he says don't bring it back

3773
04:35:21,000 --> 04:35:22,940
because I'll take advantage of you.

3774
04:35:22,940 --> 04:35:36,540
So yeah, but what you're saying is we're trying to prevent us from doing that. We don't want someone to drive around in harassed businesses, or I mean, at least I don't do that. That's not the period when I have it.

3775
04:35:36,980 --> 04:35:37,280
Yeah.

3776
04:35:40,340 --> 04:35:48,020
So on this one, Rob, their third suggestion is the 8.1.2.3.

3777
04:35:49,400 --> 04:35:52,560
Just to say it without the points. I need to do it myself.

3778
04:35:53,840 --> 04:35:59,120
Provided that the residential business may work on and store items in an area not exceeding a hundred square feet.

3779
04:35:59,320 --> 04:36:02,040
That's ten feet by ten feet. That's not very much.

3780
04:36:04,500 --> 04:36:04,640
Yes.

3781
04:36:06,400 --> 04:36:10,700
A building or structure that would cover small lawn mowers.

3782
04:36:13,990 --> 04:36:15,970
So it was a hundred square feet for small stuff.

3783
04:36:15,970 --> 04:36:22,890
And then number two of our gydares such as motor vehicles, trailers or construction equipment. I kind of like that one

3784
04:36:23,730 --> 04:36:25,330
That's my preference so far

3785
04:36:25,330 --> 04:36:32,770
I think it's still kids the other one and I reach isn't one of these three that we're doing. Yes

3786
04:36:32,770 --> 04:36:38,110
Okay, that's my thought option one is square footage option two is numbers option three is both

3787
04:36:39,530 --> 04:36:43,030
For the small items it's just an area for big items

3788
04:36:48,180 --> 04:36:54,640
Find up all your lawnmowers neatly, you get five of them across and five of them back

3789
04:36:54,640 --> 04:36:58,280
and get 25 lawnmowers all lined up in the Mary and you're good.

3790
04:36:58,680 --> 04:37:01,240
I don't even think you could put 25, 10 by 10.

3791
04:37:02,080 --> 04:37:05,180
So rub what happens if Jordan's right, we get someone coming in with him like, oh my gosh,

3792
04:37:05,280 --> 04:37:05,480
blah, blah.

3793
04:37:05,680 --> 04:37:08,080
I mean, I guess do we just tweak it or reinforce it, right?

3794
04:37:08,380 --> 04:37:09,200
That's the only thing we can do.

3795
04:37:09,360 --> 04:37:10,000
That's the only thing you can do.

3796
04:37:10,060 --> 04:37:10,160
Okay.

3797
04:37:10,280 --> 04:37:10,380
Okay.

3798
04:37:11,440 --> 04:37:12,080
I don't know what you guys think.

3799
04:37:12,540 --> 04:37:12,980
I don't know.

3800
04:37:13,160 --> 04:37:13,300
I don't know.

3801
04:37:13,300 --> 04:37:14,260
That's not what we want.

3802
04:37:14,600 --> 04:37:14,620
Right?

3803
04:37:14,620 --> 04:37:19,040
Well, we know we won't be business friendly, we've been saying that from the get go, but also we don't protect other citizens.

3804
04:37:19,180 --> 04:37:26,020
As long as the situation, because that's why it's not in our news and ordinance, he was one of our committee members and, you know, we talked to length of that.

3805
04:37:26,240 --> 04:37:29,340
Well, as far as I know, he's just keeping the parts there, they're keeping the tracks there.

3806
04:37:29,480 --> 04:37:38,000
No, I, for some of them, by the time I see families stop by, but I'm not seeing customers, but they are not looking for them. I don't know.

3807
04:37:41,230 --> 04:37:49,030
So if we think that when we add in store items, that changes it and brings in other people, we just limit it to working on items.

3808
04:37:49,990 --> 04:37:53,390
I don't know if that's repair or service of vehicles, equipment, or storage and replights.

3809
04:37:53,950 --> 04:37:56,790
I can, I can lean towards junk because it gives a little bit of square footage.

3810
04:37:57,090 --> 04:37:58,450
So that's limited to two large items.

3811
04:37:59,450 --> 04:38:00,490
I think we're good there.

3812
04:38:01,110 --> 04:38:03,010
I think that kind of covers things a little more.

3813
04:38:03,010 --> 04:38:05,150
I mean, the murder trade won't construct sort of.

3814
04:38:05,490 --> 04:38:06,430
That's a three.

3815
04:38:08,510 --> 04:38:11,570
It's that everything else, but that's not that canning what's inside of it.

3816
04:38:11,810 --> 04:38:13,750
Yes, they have something close. That's not the same thing.

3817
04:38:13,850 --> 04:38:15,210
They don't go and build something.

3818
04:38:15,910 --> 04:38:17,750
I mean, most people would or they would.

3819
04:38:17,950 --> 04:38:20,990
Most people at Ann Lake Point, they do run business.

3820
04:38:21,090 --> 04:38:23,250
They usually have a shed or something they can put stuff in.

3821
04:38:24,790 --> 04:38:25,470
Mike does.

3822
04:38:26,590 --> 04:38:29,390
So you would take 8.1.2 and then say,

3823
04:38:29,390 --> 04:38:34,250
is not permitted except and then add an 8.1.2.3.

3824
04:38:34,270 --> 04:38:37,750
Yeah, basically 8.1.2 exists and where that comma is at the end,

3825
04:38:38,310 --> 04:38:40,810
we add on whichever one of the three you like.

3826
04:38:41,410 --> 04:38:42,570
And say the last one.

3827
04:38:43,150 --> 04:38:44,310
I like the last one too.

3828
04:38:45,590 --> 04:38:46,450
Do you like the last one, Doha?

3829
04:38:47,310 --> 04:38:49,830
Sounds like we got like, we got three.

3830
04:38:50,370 --> 04:38:51,330
Let's do all this as now.

3831
04:38:55,050 --> 04:38:56,970
Yeah, there's so many options here.

3832
04:38:57,170 --> 04:38:59,170
It's almost too much.

3833
04:38:59,270 --> 04:39:01,250
It's almost like going to Baskin Robbins when they got like,

3834
04:39:03,650 --> 04:39:04,130
She's

3835
04:39:05,610 --> 04:39:07,170
They're all good that's a problem

3836
04:39:07,770 --> 04:39:12,490
Most places you go to have a big and then you're like half as garbage, but do their menus like amazing

3837
04:39:13,370 --> 04:39:15,550
Dude they got what's your favorite man?

3838
04:39:16,890 --> 04:39:17,850
Every time

3839
04:39:34,930 --> 04:39:43,330
I need to incorporate that delivery exception or the home octopation as well.

3840
04:39:43,670 --> 04:39:47,510
Ken, are you in the equipment fit in something like that?

3841
04:39:51,640 --> 04:39:52,340
Yeah, yeah.

3842
04:39:53,740 --> 04:39:55,340
Yeah, what's up?

3843
04:39:55,460 --> 04:39:59,480
If we tweet potentially would be where you get the one under square feet,

3844
04:39:59,920 --> 04:40:00,360
where

3845
04:40:02,600 --> 04:40:09,250
you've got the word plus the one under square feet would apply to a small item.

3846
04:40:10,030 --> 04:40:12,450
Yeah, yeah. I think it kind of compasses that.

3847
04:40:13,030 --> 04:40:16,490
Instead of plus or say, or up to two large items.

3848
04:40:19,250 --> 04:40:22,510
It's pretty small. I think I'm okay with it. Just same plus.

3849
04:40:22,990 --> 04:40:23,910
I'm okay with plus.

3850
04:40:26,130 --> 04:40:27,030
You want the plus?

3851
04:40:35,130 --> 04:40:38,250
The only other comment I'm seeing is...

3852
04:40:38,250 --> 04:40:38,510
Garage.

3853
04:40:39,310 --> 04:40:40,450
Oh yeah, garage sales.

3854
04:40:41,410 --> 04:40:43,490
I mean, I guess we could put it in there.

3855
04:40:43,850 --> 04:40:45,510
Like a little area.

3856
04:40:45,510 --> 04:40:45,610
Yeah.

3857
04:40:45,970 --> 04:40:46,250
Right.

3858
04:40:46,710 --> 04:40:51,050
Just something that says, I thought we talked about 12 years a lot.

3859
04:40:51,150 --> 04:40:51,730
That is a lot.

3860
04:40:51,830 --> 04:40:52,950
That is a lot of things.

3861
04:40:52,990 --> 04:40:53,870
I mean, 6, you want to do 6?

3862
04:40:54,210 --> 04:40:58,510
No, I'm fine with the 12, like one every month, but we need to say it right in there.

3863
04:40:59,130 --> 04:41:03,110
It can exceed the parking regulations, and we on the street or something during the sales

3864
04:41:03,110 --> 04:41:04,650
because they're all over town, right?

3865
04:41:05,070 --> 04:41:05,190
Right.

3866
04:41:06,210 --> 04:41:07,270
I'm okay with that.

3867
04:41:07,770 --> 04:41:10,570
A couple that have a really large, large, large, right?

3868
04:41:16,390 --> 04:41:26,370
She's right here or open the nine. He's a 12. I said six. Hey, top of me for once. Love it. Okay. So I think we're okay with 12 on that.

3869
04:41:26,770 --> 04:41:32,950
All right. Hold on to me. I've got to write it so you can prove it. Where are you putting it? Yeah, where are you hiding it?

3870
04:41:32,950 --> 04:41:38,990
4.9, 8.3 is in this section of the specific regulations of just a little bit of self-sufficiency.

3871
04:41:39,710 --> 04:41:47,190
Prepare shops, animal instruction, garage yard sales, any residents, so you want to

3872
04:41:47,190 --> 04:41:48,750
allow up to 12 per year?

3873
04:41:49,170 --> 04:41:49,250
Yeah.

3874
04:41:49,670 --> 04:41:49,770
Okay.

3875
04:41:50,990 --> 04:41:51,870
I think that's okay.

3876
04:41:52,090 --> 04:41:53,110
Do we have two days?

3877
04:41:53,910 --> 04:41:55,130
Yeah, maximum of three.

3878
04:41:57,110 --> 04:41:57,550
Whoa.

3879
04:41:57,810 --> 04:41:58,030
Okay.

3880
04:41:58,310 --> 04:41:58,510
Whoa.

3881
04:41:58,550 --> 04:41:58,650
Okay.

3882
04:41:58,830 --> 04:41:59,190
We got to go.

3883
04:41:59,470 --> 04:42:00,570
We got a six at three.

3884
04:42:00,650 --> 04:42:01,590
We got to come in the middle.

3885
04:42:01,590 --> 04:42:03,450
should we do like six and a half.

3886
04:42:06,350 --> 04:42:12,250
I think I'm okay with six. I think I don't

3887
04:42:12,250 --> 04:42:16,590
know if it's going to be more than 12 years. Well, you don't be the winner. That's

3888
04:42:16,590 --> 04:42:20,870
one thing. You're also run two days most of the time. Oh, because these are per day.

3889
04:42:21,210 --> 04:42:27,930
No, this is per time. Yeah, so that means that means that's still that's

3890
04:42:33,450 --> 04:42:39,070
That's good. Okay. Is there any other sections we talked about?

3891
04:42:39,070 --> 04:42:40,050
Did you have it in the year?

3892
04:42:40,250 --> 04:42:42,090
We're going to do foot trucks. We're going to do foot trucks.

3893
04:42:42,450 --> 04:42:44,210
We're going to do that all the way. That's right.

3894
04:42:44,350 --> 04:42:44,510
Okay.

3895
04:42:45,090 --> 04:42:48,170
We have to do mobile businesses but it's not and you're

3896
04:42:48,170 --> 04:42:48,850
so we're going to have to.

3897
04:42:49,690 --> 04:42:50,590
That's what we forgot.

3898
04:42:50,970 --> 04:42:52,330
Was that the mobile businesses?

3899
04:42:52,830 --> 04:42:53,930
Oh, yes.

3900
04:42:54,110 --> 04:42:57,070
Well businesses that are not food trucks.

3901
04:42:57,070 --> 04:43:03,170
I think the only thing is just that they keep their stuff off the like they just follow the guidelines of keeping their stuff off the truck in the street because these are

3902
04:43:03,170 --> 04:43:06,570
can we write it that they should try to get a business line up?

3903
04:43:07,330 --> 04:43:16,530
Is it the mistake on this but if you have a mobile business,

3904
04:43:16,530 --> 04:43:21,970
isn't that more like a contractor coming out to a site to take care of something,

3905
04:43:22,070 --> 04:43:24,370
just like if they were building on site.

3906
04:43:24,370 --> 04:43:33,430
and you have your plumber com, or you have your electrician, or you have your mechanic come to fix your kind of.

3907
04:43:34,830 --> 04:43:38,670
So there's kind of two thoughts of mobile businesses.

3908
04:43:39,170 --> 04:43:41,330
There's the people who travel like a contractor.

3909
04:43:41,570 --> 04:43:45,990
They have an office in Twilla, but they come to a work job up here.

3910
04:43:46,850 --> 04:43:48,890
We could regulate those, lots of these just don't care.

3911
04:43:49,870 --> 04:44:01,170
I don't want to. I don't want to. I'm making for the other one. The other one is someone has a little barbershop they operate out of a van and they go and they go set it up somewhere like a

3912
04:44:01,170 --> 04:44:12,810
little barbershop. It's a lot. It's allowed anywhere in a similar business is allowed. So if you allow a barbershop in a residential zone or a mobile business can also operate there.

3913
04:44:14,270 --> 04:44:17,190
They can also operate in private property without any restriction.

3914
04:44:17,830 --> 04:44:22,070
We can put regulations on how to use streets.

3915
04:44:23,490 --> 04:44:25,190
But I think we did that all with food trucks.

3916
04:44:25,810 --> 04:44:30,830
It might just be, we need to just amend the business license order to say food trucks and mobile businesses.

3917
04:44:31,190 --> 04:44:33,670
Because the regulations on the street law are basically the same.

3918
04:44:33,670 --> 04:44:46,370
But what we want to do is capture is regular, we have an advocate, maybe she's not here anymore, but she has a massage truck, she will be registering her business out of Lake Point because she needs a business license.

3919
04:44:47,550 --> 04:44:52,690
The goal is to capture that subtle stuff also here, right?

3920
04:44:53,570 --> 04:44:56,510
But the sail happens all out of the way.

3921
04:44:56,850 --> 04:44:58,270
No, the one in town is one.

3922
04:44:58,290 --> 04:44:58,430
Yes.

3923
04:45:00,050 --> 04:45:23,770
We registered, like, you could take a food truck and they come here in place. You could say here, fill this out so we can capture your assistance. It's the same thing, but we don't have that anywhere in our current ordinance. We don't have that. We have something about food trucks. We don't have that. We can amend the business license to just say food trucks and mobile businesses and just kind of this regulation, they're basically the same and just make sure we're capturing both of those at the same time.

3924
04:45:23,770 --> 04:45:27,150
But don't you want that? That seems like more often. That will see some more realists.

3925
04:45:27,190 --> 04:45:29,190
Don't we want the lady? Because she said I want a business license.

3926
04:45:29,370 --> 04:45:31,790
Don't we want a business license? But she could get a business license with us.

3927
04:45:31,990 --> 04:45:32,310
She still...

3928
04:45:32,310 --> 04:45:36,510
She'll get a business license and then talks about them doing the tax forms when they're operating here.

3929
04:45:36,790 --> 04:45:38,430
Within the commercial?

3930
04:45:38,790 --> 04:45:41,430
It's within our normal business license or not a home-based.

3931
04:45:42,170 --> 04:45:43,750
It's in our commercial business license.

3932
04:45:43,890 --> 04:45:45,510
We did, we dressed food trucks.

3933
04:45:45,730 --> 04:45:46,170
I forgot.

3934
04:45:46,290 --> 04:45:48,010
Because I wrote that before.

3935
04:45:48,210 --> 04:45:50,230
They did the new state law that addressed all the businesses.

3936
04:45:50,510 --> 04:45:52,430
I forgot that we had a separate business license.

3937
04:45:54,450 --> 04:46:03,970
So we have pet care detailing. There's just a lot operating out of town. The curving guy is a mobile business. That's what he is.

3938
04:46:06,410 --> 04:46:07,550
It would go under the commercial.

3939
04:46:09,170 --> 04:46:17,490
So under our businesses, we'd be able to make and get a license or registration and then sell tax ID for sales of curing in Lincoln.

3940
04:46:17,490 --> 04:46:25,470
Yep, and if one comes in, we can require them to do certain things if they're operating on us in the same site for a long period of time

3941
04:46:26,090 --> 04:46:27,830
We always can get them to do taxes

3942
04:46:29,250 --> 04:46:32,610
And we can check to make sure if they don't have business license for someone else

3943
04:46:33,990 --> 04:46:37,490
So it is covered we seem to make sure that you're expanded to cover the mobile business

3944
04:46:37,490 --> 04:46:40,050
Okay, and then adding those requirements

3945
04:46:42,690 --> 04:46:46,650
Okay, can you would you be able to have that ready for next meeting only because I

3946
04:46:46,650 --> 04:46:49,090
which is not two weeks, next week, right?

3947
04:46:50,090 --> 04:46:50,650
No, not two weeks.

3948
04:46:50,830 --> 04:46:52,210
I can do it in the 20 minutes.

3949
04:46:53,090 --> 04:46:53,630
Those are next.

3950
04:46:53,790 --> 04:46:54,250
Yeah, meaning.

3951
04:46:54,990 --> 04:46:55,610
Well, besides.

3952
04:46:56,050 --> 04:46:57,330
Is that applicant still out there?

3953
04:46:57,490 --> 04:46:59,390
The misuse lady that moved it down?

3954
04:46:59,930 --> 04:47:03,330
I've had a few more months to reach out, so it doesn't even matter.

3955
04:47:03,490 --> 04:47:04,750
OK, so we have a lot of waiting.

3956
04:47:06,070 --> 04:47:08,070
I will have a lady for the 20 nights.

3957
04:47:08,450 --> 04:47:08,950
Thank you.

3958
04:47:09,190 --> 04:47:11,850
So that's amending the business license order

3959
04:47:11,850 --> 04:47:12,630
in the Seattle luxury.

3960
04:47:13,630 --> 04:47:14,690
Just I think we've called business money.

3961
04:47:14,690 --> 04:47:18,490
We're going to add more resistance to the business license, where we can collect the sales

3962
04:47:18,490 --> 04:47:19,670
salary of new friends and family.

3963
04:47:19,810 --> 04:47:20,390
Yeah, I think so.

3964
04:47:20,530 --> 04:47:21,530
And they'd be warning to that one.

3965
04:47:21,730 --> 04:47:22,530
It's probably commercial.

3966
04:47:22,610 --> 04:47:28,330
Can you bring some examples of parking things you're talking about, not parking or what

3967
04:47:28,330 --> 04:47:29,130
they need to do?

3968
04:47:29,510 --> 04:47:30,310
It's in the ordinance.

3969
04:47:30,450 --> 04:47:31,530
But basically, you can repart our site.

3970
04:47:32,290 --> 04:47:36,410
If they operate over a certain number of hours on private property, essentially, if they

3971
04:47:36,410 --> 04:47:39,370
set up more of a permanent shop, it turns into a...

3972
04:47:39,370 --> 04:47:41,830
You can repart our site when it's like, okay, how are you actually going to handle parking

3973
04:47:41,830 --> 04:47:43,110
on this little site right now?

3974
04:47:43,110 --> 04:47:46,710
But if it's under so number out, you just don't care, they can operate wherever they want.

3975
04:47:48,580 --> 04:47:52,540
So I will update the business license ordinance to include those things.

3976
04:47:52,740 --> 04:47:53,540
Thank you.

3977
04:47:53,720 --> 04:47:54,200
Oh,

3978
04:47:56,320 --> 04:47:56,880
look at it.

3979
04:47:58,540 --> 04:47:59,500
All right.

3980
04:47:59,820 --> 04:48:02,660
We're going with the garage yard sale language I added.

3981
04:48:02,860 --> 04:48:03,660
We're going to have to go on.

3982
04:48:04,160 --> 04:48:10,160
With the definition of garage and yard sales, we can define it.

3983
04:48:10,620 --> 04:48:12,900
Is everybody OK with 12?

3984
04:48:12,900 --> 04:48:20,920
I mean, that just that sounds like there's 24 days. I was only 12. It's got it. Don't lay has 11 a year

3985
04:48:20,920 --> 04:48:24,360
Don't we do you do your adult 11 or 10 so you're safe, right?

3986
04:48:24,820 --> 04:48:29,140
Just mess it man. Just messing. I'm okay going out of six. I was okay with six or seven

3987
04:48:29,140 --> 04:48:35,360
I'll support you six. I don't know. Is very business that go down that do this like six two days, right?

3988
04:48:35,600 --> 04:48:37,020
So you're operating

3989
04:48:41,780 --> 04:48:45,460
I just don't know anybody who would do that, I'm like point, is there?

3990
04:48:46,120 --> 04:48:46,660
What about Keegan?

3991
04:48:47,200 --> 04:48:48,100
What does Keegan do?

3992
04:48:49,280 --> 04:48:49,640
Keegan.

3993
04:48:50,280 --> 04:48:51,100
That's the one I can think of.

3994
04:48:51,120 --> 04:48:51,880
He's not 12 years.

3995
04:48:52,440 --> 04:48:53,280
They're every COVID-19.

3996
04:48:54,400 --> 04:48:55,520
Okay, so he's under the six.

3997
04:48:55,780 --> 04:48:58,000
When he clears inventory, he just put one out yesterday.

3998
04:48:58,200 --> 04:48:58,360
Yeah.

3999
04:48:58,640 --> 04:48:59,900
I'm clearing inventory last cell over here.

4000
04:49:00,240 --> 04:49:00,980
So he's in the position.

4001
04:49:01,680 --> 04:49:03,040
Okay, so I don't want to hurt him.

4002
04:49:03,460 --> 04:49:05,100
I know other people, another business.

4003
04:49:05,100 --> 04:49:11,220
So John. He likes 100 still. Okay. We'll discuss. Are we okay? You want to do a six?

4004
04:49:13,060 --> 04:49:20,240
Yeah, there we go. Thanks. Well, you said three. You want three, right? Do all of you okay with six?

4005
04:49:20,860 --> 04:49:27,220
Well, I stayed at three, but that I wanted to bring out the discussion. I just, you know,

4006
04:49:40,620 --> 04:49:43,020
I'd like to limit them if we can.

4007
04:49:47,160 --> 04:49:47,360
Okay.

4008
04:49:49,710 --> 04:49:52,470
Well, would this be an area to put in?

4009
04:49:52,550 --> 04:49:54,370
No, it was six, then 12.

4010
04:49:57,580 --> 04:49:59,480
Let's go back to that one clause we had.

4011
04:50:00,260 --> 04:50:02,240
They will get a parking degree with neighbors

4012
04:50:02,240 --> 04:50:06,400
or something for large shows.

4013
04:50:07,200 --> 04:50:08,680
I think six is okay.

4014
04:50:08,680 --> 04:50:18,880
I mean, people, because it's in frequent most cities don't require like off street parking and such because it's just kind of a one-time thing and people line the streets and it's done.

4015
04:50:19,140 --> 04:50:22,960
I guess what we're trying to address is, well, maybe that's what we're trying to figure out too.

4016
04:50:23,380 --> 04:50:30,080
A yardside field, come on, they could do ours is one thing. One of these cells, he doesn't for two hours and everyone goes at the same time.

4017
04:50:30,220 --> 04:50:31,060
And it's done, right?

4018
04:50:31,180 --> 04:50:33,700
It's done. That's a huge impact to see.

4019
04:50:35,160 --> 04:50:41,020
most most yard sales no matter how long they're operating most of people come

4020
04:50:41,020 --> 04:50:46,160
early because if they don't the stuff that they wanted is God. Well I'm

4021
04:50:46,160 --> 04:50:50,920
meaning 40 or 50 cars that's why he did the agreement with his neighbors. Yeah it's

4022
04:50:50,920 --> 04:50:55,220
all at once. Yeah. Is there any concern on that?

4023
04:51:11,720 --> 04:51:18,300
I mean, if you really want a good, efficient sale, you'll figure out how to park people so that you can get to a certain extent.

4024
04:51:18,300 --> 04:51:20,520
Especially these, those agreements, he still can work out.

4025
04:51:26,740 --> 04:51:27,880
Last thing was events.

4026
04:51:28,300 --> 04:51:29,120
We didn't put events in there.

4027
04:51:29,560 --> 04:51:31,320
Yeah, events, but still another commercial.

4028
04:51:31,800 --> 04:51:32,040
Okay.

4029
04:51:32,140 --> 04:51:33,420
The events is where they come to.

4030
04:51:33,640 --> 04:51:33,760
Are they?

4031
04:51:34,000 --> 04:51:36,520
Well, I thought more like a special event.

4032
04:51:36,700 --> 04:51:37,360
Well, late-point days.

4033
04:51:37,520 --> 04:51:39,720
We'll probably have a special event permit ordinance.

4034
04:51:39,860 --> 04:51:39,980
Okay.

4035
04:51:40,080 --> 04:51:41,420
That's not a home-based business.

4036
04:51:41,620 --> 04:51:41,900
Yeah.

4037
04:51:42,340 --> 04:51:42,700
Can you?

4038
04:51:42,840 --> 04:51:44,460
Because we want to click through that, so, Secretary.

4039
04:51:44,780 --> 04:51:47,720
Now, we, Dan and I have always asked every vendor coming to late-point days

4040
04:51:47,720 --> 04:51:48,740
and they still are whatever.

4041
04:51:48,740 --> 04:51:51,360
It forms and then yeah, but now it'd be something that'd be good to

4042
04:51:52,360 --> 04:51:56,400
To put in there because they want we want to help up the residents and to me if they're gonna do a big event

4043
04:51:56,400 --> 04:52:02,660
Yes, sell I mean why not right the other locations do that like you know the food truck we got I'm not sure a hundred percent

4044
04:52:02,660 --> 04:52:07,440
Acro this is probably wrong. I heard they go over there every Thursday, but all the cells text goes their corporate office

4045
04:52:08,240 --> 04:52:14,220
I don't like that. I really that hurts the community those things are big money makers for the league versus the

4046
04:52:14,220 --> 04:52:18,800
Which to me we've always tried I try person it was book in the local food trucks

4047
04:52:18,800 --> 04:52:23,820
I that yeah, and that way benefits the community in the county, but now us as a city. So, okay

4048
04:52:23,820 --> 04:52:30,960
So the only thing that's outside the ordinance is our education pack. We wanted to make yes, I think it I think it'd be good to kind of throw that together

4049
04:52:30,960 --> 04:52:35,940
I love to have all your guys ideas I still want to and I don't know if we have to put in ordinance, but still hold the

4050
04:52:36,520 --> 04:52:39,940
Service and sales day the city host for everyone that registered

4051
04:52:40,620 --> 04:52:43,520
To in test. Oh, yeah, yeah, that's the part. I don't want to give up on

4052
04:52:43,520 --> 04:52:56,580
Come on down. It's free. I would love it. I would love to include it in the welcome packet. I think that's the other thing. I did edit the conclusion. The conclusion came from John's ordinance, but I threw in a little sense about

4053
04:52:57,620 --> 04:53:06,200
So, but hearing the city's vision of core values and buildings and regulations that I added it and by actively engaging promoting residents and businesses within like point

4054
04:53:06,840 --> 04:53:12,860
To foster the vibrant. So I try to throw them like we will try to engage them, but I don't want to get exposed. You don't want to. Yeah

4055
04:53:12,860 --> 04:53:16,540
We're going to host X event, we'll try to engage them.

4056
04:53:16,760 --> 04:53:17,200
That was my thought.

4057
04:53:17,400 --> 04:53:18,200
That was one lucky day.

4058
04:53:18,200 --> 04:53:19,720
One other thing, too, is we thank you Rob.

4059
04:53:19,860 --> 04:53:22,700
I think the other thing, too, we're looking at adding was at the very end of Verbige,

4060
04:53:22,820 --> 04:53:24,900
if you want a little bit of mentor in the community to help them out.

4061
04:53:25,060 --> 04:53:27,240
I mean, that stuff could be the welcome kit, you know what I mean?

4062
04:53:27,560 --> 04:53:28,480
And I think that'd be good.

4063
04:53:28,680 --> 04:53:31,960
I think that's why Rob left it out, we can get some as well, but we can go back, pull those

4064
04:53:31,960 --> 04:53:32,220
things out.

4065
04:53:32,280 --> 04:53:38,000
We're going to adopt a resolution that we're going to hold an annual late-point business

4066
04:53:38,000 --> 04:53:38,440
only.

4067
04:53:38,840 --> 04:53:39,880
You know, day.

4068
04:53:40,800 --> 04:53:40,980
Yeah.

4069
04:53:40,980 --> 04:53:46,140
something like that. The word that says government interference feels really

4070
04:53:47,360 --> 04:53:52,600
negative. Where does that say that? On that conclusion. Is there another way of

4071
04:53:52,600 --> 04:53:56,940
phrasing? What? What's your favorite minimal government interference?

4072
04:53:57,580 --> 04:54:02,640
Up to you. Up to you. Oh, it just bases in that they're not going to hear. Oh, he says minimal. So, I think it's okay, but me.

4073
04:54:05,460 --> 04:54:11,020
Involvement, controlling, yelling. I don't know what kind of work to go in there. Do you want to just get rid of it?

4074
04:54:13,960 --> 04:54:30,110
I don't want to find that the government's interfering your business and we go address it or we go have a register we don't, you know, I don't know regulation, I think that sounds more harsh.

4075
04:54:30,110 --> 04:54:36,870
Yeah, I think there's a sounds okay, it's like middle line. I think it sounds like I'm okay with that one

4076
04:54:36,870 --> 04:54:54,290
I will guarantee you that that statement right there is accurate

4077
04:54:54,290 --> 04:55:00,570
But no matter how you want to polish it, when government gets involved in anything, it's going to interfere.

4078
04:55:01,430 --> 04:55:15,370
They think they have a solution to everything and once they come up with their solution, they find out that they made it often times more difficult than it needed to be.

4079
04:55:15,570 --> 04:55:16,410
Who wrote that?

4080
04:55:16,410 --> 04:55:19,390
But does that you wrote that, but then it never is that from our version?

4081
04:55:19,870 --> 04:55:21,290
Yeah, it was probably from one of the other versions.

4082
04:55:21,430 --> 04:55:22,410
It was from a version.

4083
04:55:22,730 --> 04:55:23,170
I did not write.

4084
04:55:23,350 --> 04:55:25,350
I wrote in the little...

4085
04:55:25,350 --> 04:55:26,310
I see it from my...

4086
04:55:26,310 --> 04:55:26,990
I think the minimal?

4087
04:55:27,410 --> 04:55:28,030
It was from something.

4088
04:55:28,310 --> 04:55:30,350
The minimal, I think, makes it feel okay with it.

4089
04:55:32,750 --> 04:55:33,470
I just...

4090
04:55:33,470 --> 04:55:35,090
I agree with you, Jonathan, the monologue government.

4091
04:55:35,590 --> 04:55:37,590
But once there's in the government that does exist,

4092
04:55:38,250 --> 04:55:41,870
it's their job to protect the health safety and welfare of all individual liberties.

4093
04:55:42,070 --> 04:55:43,810
So that's why I think taking it out and just saying,

4094
04:56:02,990 --> 04:56:13,810
I think it doesn't really scare me. I mean, if it is a minimal, it would scare me more, but I think it's okay. So I'm okay leaving it. What do you guys want to do?

4095
04:56:13,810 --> 04:56:19,110
Ryan wants you to take it out. Okay, Captain wants to take out John wants to leave it in

4096
04:56:19,110 --> 04:56:22,070
duel. It's up to you. What do you want to do?

4097
04:56:28,340 --> 04:56:36,760
Section 11. Section 11, man. Section 11. Yeah, we're all we're discussing on. Section 11 is

4098
04:56:36,760 --> 04:56:41,960
right in the middle. It says, where it says liberties. After liberties, Ryan and Captain

4099
04:56:41,960 --> 04:56:46,740
or anything, I'll just scratching while ensuring minimal government interference.

4100
04:56:48,140 --> 04:56:50,760
John, I'm partial, I don't really care as I've just laid it in.

4101
04:56:50,940 --> 04:56:53,560
I'm looking at that, I believe that is an understood,

4102
04:57:01,610 --> 04:57:04,050
yes, that's a good point.

4103
04:57:05,450 --> 04:57:08,570
So we got two, four, two, two to take out two to leave it.

4104
04:57:10,090 --> 04:57:11,270
It's all on your shoulder still.

4105
04:57:15,170 --> 04:57:23,090
Okay. We just need to clarify. Okay. All right, Jerry, motion to prove with all changes

4106
04:57:23,090 --> 04:57:28,430
in the night and everything else discussion. Anything else in the end of that? Okay.

4107
04:57:28,610 --> 04:57:30,930
I second your motion. Thank you, right? All

4108
04:57:38,380 --> 04:57:42,580
that stuff didn't quite just get late, bro.

4109
04:57:42,860 --> 04:57:48,300
We're technically midnight. Yeah, making a motion. Yeah, you made a motion. Yeah, I'm

4110
04:57:48,300 --> 04:57:55,700
discussed. Yes. Okay. It's still balled over in spring. Like what? Sorry, it's just

4111
04:57:55,700 --> 04:58:00,440
talks over. All right. Motion by DM. Seconded by Ryan.

4112
04:58:03,680 --> 04:58:05,820
Any further discussion? Only

4113
04:58:05,820 --> 04:58:09,400
that I'm excited. We're here. Wow. There's been a lot of work. We've done a lot of good

4114
04:58:09,400 --> 04:58:15,060
changes. I think this week and last week, I have proof that we can work through it and give

4115
04:58:15,060 --> 04:58:18,760
her take discussion. I think these are the best two weeks of her discussion in the last

4116
04:58:18,760 --> 04:58:24,040
six months. Look at all the things we, you know, understood from each other and stuff.

4117
04:58:24,240 --> 04:58:28,040
So I just want to stress how excited I am that we're able to work through this all and

4118
04:58:28,040 --> 04:58:32,240
also that if we see we've made a mistake, we all understand that we can come fix it if

4119
04:58:32,240 --> 04:58:36,200
we've impacted something. We can amend it. This isn't the end. Well, that's one thing I

4120
04:58:36,200 --> 04:58:39,820
think that I think Jamie or Rob both and all of us have said multiple times so. This is

4121
04:58:39,820 --> 04:58:43,160
their further discussion. Oh yeah, and that's yeah, all this stuff because that way you can

4122
04:58:43,160 --> 04:58:48,060
be home by. We just want to share how excited we are and how nice it was to work this all

4123
04:58:48,060 --> 04:58:51,860
out. Yes. And to get to this point, because I think we started this in March.

4124
04:58:52,620 --> 04:58:57,580
They're very March somewhere in there. Yes. Four versions. Roves being fifth.

4125
04:58:59,080 --> 04:59:04,040
Definitely grab congrats on doing clean this up. You did all the hard work of

4126
04:59:04,040 --> 04:59:08,380
getting your thoughts together. Well, I think we did a lot of, can you reach out?

4127
04:59:08,700 --> 04:59:11,540
We've really tried to do our best. We heard comments tonight,

4128
04:59:12,060 --> 04:59:14,660
which I think really kind of gave us some insight there.

4129
04:59:28,880 --> 04:59:43,160
I am very excited. I think you have a good place. I am with you. In the last couple of weeks, the Council has done excellence in each other and listening to the residents. We have made several adjustments on feedback tonight.

4130
04:59:43,160 --> 04:59:50,400
So, I'd be f***ing language-free rights and how to phrase things better from John, I love, you know, that you look at.

4131
04:59:50,640 --> 04:59:56,580
Let's phrase it this way, over this way, even though, where we want to be, so I'd like that too, so, we're in place.

4132
04:59:57,000 --> 04:59:59,800
And even if we disagree through things along the way, we know this is good.

4133
05:00:00,500 --> 05:00:08,100
So we're going to vote for, it doesn't matter if we disagree in the little things because the overall we're going to help our citizens. This is like, it's helped the business community.

4134
05:00:10,180 --> 05:00:15,860
We're going to go for, this is a ordinance, so we have to do a roll call.

4135
05:00:19,080 --> 05:00:30,480
First, yay on the record just once again, just very grateful for the systems that participated. Our city council really working hard. It's taking six months.

4136
05:00:30,480 --> 05:00:32,160
I just want to get here and pull with the input,

4137
05:00:32,800 --> 05:00:36,840
I'm turning recorder, and everybody else out there.

4138
05:00:39,130 --> 05:00:39,690
And that's it.

4139
05:00:44,770 --> 05:00:45,390
No, we're voting.

4140
05:00:45,530 --> 05:00:45,850
Doyle.

4141
05:00:46,130 --> 05:00:46,550
Yeah, you're nay.

4142
05:00:47,870 --> 05:00:48,850
For you, Doyle.

4143
05:00:51,010 --> 05:00:51,790
Yes, ma'am.

4144
05:00:53,620 --> 05:00:58,360
Yeah, John, then I wasn't sure if you had to hear it.

4145
05:00:59,140 --> 05:01:00,760
He sounded like he was going to say something else.

4146
05:01:00,880 --> 05:01:01,560
I didn't even want to come up.

4147
05:01:01,960 --> 05:01:10,360
John, I'm going to say nay for a couple of reasons right now.

4148
05:01:11,400 --> 05:01:16,960
difficult to like when we edit it here doesn't really give an opportunity for a lot of

4149
05:01:16,960 --> 05:01:22,420
the citizens to sit there and see if we have one here that's stuck it out and I appreciate

4150
05:01:22,960 --> 05:01:28,160
it. So number one, we changed it. I don't know if they know what's actually been changed

4151
05:01:28,160 --> 05:01:36,380
now today. And then on all the feedback that I've received on this particular item, I don't

4152
05:01:36,380 --> 05:01:40,920
I think we have met all the feedback I received.

4153
05:01:40,920 --> 05:01:42,240
I know that we've gotten some.

4154
05:01:42,720 --> 05:01:44,120
I appreciate your feedback tonight.

4155
05:01:46,200 --> 05:01:48,800
But I'm still going off of a lot of those surveys

4156
05:01:48,800 --> 05:01:51,140
and I didn't have a lot of people reach out to me

4157
05:01:51,140 --> 05:01:53,740
that was contrary to what those surveys were showing.

4158
05:01:54,720 --> 05:01:56,480
We had a few come to our meetings

4159
05:01:56,480 --> 05:01:58,000
and I appreciate your feedback.

4160
05:01:59,340 --> 05:02:00,900
So a name for me.

4161
05:02:03,780 --> 05:02:06,900
Kathleen, I'm gonna have to be an A2

4162
05:02:06,900 --> 05:02:08,820
but opposite reasons for jumping.

4163
05:02:08,820 --> 05:02:14,040
I appreciate that we compromise and got it down from the higher numbers than we started at.

4164
05:02:14,140 --> 05:02:17,340
I'm glad that we came down and I appreciate that and I know we've worked through a lot.

4165
05:02:17,980 --> 05:02:25,680
I just had, I feel it's just too high for the residential, I think it's still too big of a business for residential.

4166
05:02:26,660 --> 05:02:32,600
And to be clear, those were not my numbers, those were the numbers I received from the public from our surveys.

4167
05:02:35,100 --> 05:02:38,220
So it passes three to two.

4168
05:02:40,520 --> 05:02:45,540
We are two item nine at 30 clarification.

4169
05:02:46,400 --> 05:02:49,320
And I have a clarification and request.

4170
05:02:49,940 --> 05:02:53,140
I should have run it up earlier, but I forgot.

4171
05:02:53,660 --> 05:02:57,380
I'm also excited to talk about home-based businesses in a local agreement.

4172
05:02:58,820 --> 05:02:59,520
Wait a minute.

4173
05:02:59,940 --> 05:03:01,800
The interlocal agreement with the county, that one.

4174
05:03:01,800 --> 05:03:16,520
So I've heard comments. Obviously, I think we want to negotiate on the police costs. I think it to push back and say we get this has happened. The cost was calculated given that there has been virtually no change.

4175
05:03:16,660 --> 05:03:27,960
Let's our property value went down. Yes. And there's been no new growth like late points demographics have not changed that we're not needing more police services than we have been.

4176
05:03:27,960 --> 05:03:30,180
and it really shouldn't be that high.

4177
05:03:30,640 --> 05:03:32,580
I want to know how to calculate it last year.

4178
05:03:32,680 --> 05:03:34,660
They did not calculate it off of property tax.

4179
05:03:35,060 --> 05:03:36,860
I know, I need to have that conversation.

4180
05:03:37,140 --> 05:03:38,980
But I think that's definitely, I'm going to bring that back.

4181
05:03:39,180 --> 05:03:41,260
I'm having to keep with this, that, it's, okay.

4182
05:03:41,440 --> 05:03:42,960
So, okay, go ahead, I'll let you think about it.

4183
05:03:43,180 --> 05:03:45,960
That I'll go out on my, trying to read, okay.

4184
05:03:46,620 --> 05:03:48,080
This is what it's said.

4185
05:03:48,380 --> 05:03:50,060
Right, it's just keep closing on my head.

4186
05:03:50,160 --> 05:03:52,640
Can we extend the month while we negotiate this?

4187
05:03:52,760 --> 05:03:54,360
Because I don't see how we can give this to somebody

4188
05:03:54,360 --> 05:03:54,960
just some of this.

4189
05:03:55,720 --> 05:04:04,400
Maybe we can, but there might be a month in which we don't have an agreement and then

4190
05:04:04,400 --> 05:04:09,840
we enter into an agreement in January to retroactively extend things.

4191
05:04:10,500 --> 05:04:10,620
I mean.

4192
05:04:13,360 --> 05:04:15,380
Okay, I'm going to hit you with a lot of questions wrong.

4193
05:04:15,680 --> 05:04:15,940
Okay.

4194
05:04:16,540 --> 05:04:17,020
That's two.

4195
05:04:17,560 --> 05:04:26,700
And the agreement from earlier that we just signed last year for the 49 square miles is

4196
05:04:26,700 --> 05:04:31,720
400,000 including dispatched units. So that's a starter of why is there so high?

4197
05:04:32,320 --> 05:04:38,140
400,000 for 49 square miles and that includes their dispatched in the 400.000.

4198
05:04:39,880 --> 05:04:45,390
I had to take it from article from the transcript. How big is weight point?

4199
05:04:45,790 --> 05:04:49,150
4.5. 4.9. Less than a time.

4200
05:04:49,470 --> 05:04:49,670
Yes.

4201
05:04:51,230 --> 05:04:53,050
And our population is less.

4202
05:04:53,250 --> 05:04:56,250
For sure. It had never been calculated off the track space.

4203
05:04:56,250 --> 05:04:56,870
No.

4204
05:04:57,490 --> 05:04:59,310
So we're wondering if that could be discriminatory,

4205
05:04:59,510 --> 05:05:03,230
touring to higher, medium, and come areas.

4206
05:05:03,570 --> 05:05:04,530
That's a weird problem.

4207
05:05:05,330 --> 05:05:06,510
Fire does that work.

4208
05:05:06,670 --> 05:05:08,630
It's according to the federal fast weather, do you mean?

4209
05:05:09,150 --> 05:05:12,530
According to the IRDA's agreement, it was based on a certain percentage

4210
05:05:12,530 --> 05:05:16,750
of the sheriff's office municipal service budget and 15% administrative fee.

4211
05:05:17,370 --> 05:05:24,690
IRDA negotiated down to 65% of the municipal services budget and a 12% fee.

4212
05:05:24,690 --> 05:05:30,050
That is not based on our income. That's based on their budget and a percentage plus a 12%

4213
05:05:30,050 --> 05:05:36,870
admin fee. And this was just at the end of last year, December. So that's when I don't

4214
05:05:36,870 --> 05:05:42,890
know if it's the new attorney. Maybe there's no previous agreements. Yeah. I don't know.

4215
05:05:43,170 --> 05:05:49,630
Here's the next one. State law. I just want clarity on this because this law changed for fees for

4216
05:05:49,630 --> 05:05:55,990
the sheriff on 5-3-20-23. State law, the legislative body may only set a fee for a service

4217
05:05:55,990 --> 05:06:01,610
charged by the county sheriff in the amount reasonably related to providing that service.

4218
05:06:02,810 --> 05:06:08,170
It seems unreasonable to tie it to—oh sorry, reasonably related, but not exceeding the actual

4219
05:06:08,170 --> 05:06:12,630
cost of providing the service. It seems that tying it to our income is also against that one

4220
05:06:12,630 --> 05:06:13,530
per state code.

4221
05:06:13,530 --> 05:06:16,430
Yeah, that's it. Yes. Yes.

4222
05:06:16,830 --> 05:06:22,890
17. Can't you just look for a solution to the contract with R to R's?

4223
05:06:23,170 --> 05:06:28,550
We do. We wouldn't say it's got a 17-2.5.

4224
05:06:28,590 --> 05:06:29,470
I like it to mine. Yes.

4225
05:06:29,590 --> 05:06:30,290
Save our assignments.

4226
05:06:30,610 --> 05:06:38,110
And then it goes into more saying if they're going to set a fee, then they have to articulate all this stuff for some ins, for service, for warrants.

4227
05:06:38,350 --> 05:06:40,470
And it has to be based on certain dollar amounts.

4228
05:06:40,470 --> 05:06:47,270
And the last thing was, oh, I already covered it, because I called it as budget numeric specifically.

4229
05:06:48,490 --> 05:06:49,890
I give the examiner a number.

4230
05:06:52,790 --> 05:06:55,810
400 dollars, sorry. So that includes dispatching everything.

4231
05:06:56,290 --> 05:06:57,370
So that includes dispatching?

4232
05:06:57,530 --> 05:07:02,690
Yeah, for fiscal year 24, $400,000 for dispatching and, for sure.

4233
05:07:03,210 --> 05:07:04,370
So it caught me off guard.

4234
05:07:04,690 --> 05:07:06,470
I know Doyle's not a lot of research.

4235
05:07:06,730 --> 05:07:10,210
I don't know if he has any comments about it.

4236
05:07:10,850 --> 05:07:11,770
Yeah, I don't know.

4237
05:07:12,550 --> 05:07:19,110
I just got it Monday night, and I looked at it, I think yesterday, and then I sent it to everyone, and I was like,

4238
05:07:19,230 --> 05:07:22,470
I know there's problems with this, I just haven't had time to, like, delve into it.

4239
05:07:22,730 --> 05:07:26,130
I was just getting, I even told Nathan, like, I'm going to have some edits,

4240
05:07:26,330 --> 05:07:29,510
we're going to have some, I definitely know land use we have to figure out,

4241
05:07:29,690 --> 05:07:30,690
because you didn't really touch that.

4242
05:07:30,830 --> 05:07:32,350
Are they rejecting that?

4243
05:07:32,410 --> 05:07:34,410
They're not sending one, because they don't want to do it anymore,

4244
05:07:34,510 --> 05:07:35,970
because it feels like they don't want to do it anymore.

4245
05:07:35,970 --> 05:07:44,830
When I asked him if he thought he was the intent to not do this or there's a clause in

4246
05:07:44,830 --> 05:07:50,490
this that says we reaffirm the existing agreement for everything else I said so did you

4247
05:07:50,490 --> 05:07:54,530
mean that you're extending and he said yes I meant that we would extend all of the

4248
05:07:54,530 --> 05:07:59,350
language so I was like we're definitely going to declare there are only a few things like

4249
05:07:59,350 --> 05:08:03,970
we're going to take over basically everything and my thought was I just wanted to say we're

4250
05:08:03,970 --> 05:08:08,730
You're going to leave the permits of the council as approved for up to the certain time

4251
05:08:08,730 --> 05:08:15,430
with you to complete that you've already collected fees for, and any bonding type of contracts

4252
05:08:15,430 --> 05:08:20,510
you have for development, you still oversee those and finish those out, but then everything

4253
05:08:20,510 --> 05:08:21,730
else is now late points.

4254
05:08:22,090 --> 05:08:25,890
Was my thought of making an edit to the contract based on our conversations?

4255
05:08:26,110 --> 05:08:26,750
You bring questions.

4256
05:08:27,210 --> 05:08:28,970
And I think you're probably bringing questions.

4257
05:08:29,330 --> 05:08:29,850
Yeah, no, everything.

4258
05:08:29,850 --> 05:08:35,290
So I think if he has a platt out that he already bonded for that like we did one of his platt and had a

4259
05:08:36,910 --> 05:08:40,190
And he has if he is a constrict and we have the one the extension

4260
05:08:41,190 --> 05:08:46,990
So there's two plattes. There's that one. There's another one that came in towards beginning of the year that they might be doing a bond out

4261
05:08:46,990 --> 05:08:50,950
For it's like I don't want to have that develop have to switch their bonding from

4262
05:08:51,490 --> 05:08:54,310
the county to us and handle those inspections

4263
05:08:54,310 --> 05:08:58,270
might always leave the things that they've already all approved and collected fees for

4264
05:08:58,270 --> 05:09:04,150
for those things only but everything new comes back to the city but what are your thoughts?

4265
05:09:04,150 --> 05:09:09,970
I was trying to ask my first one on that particular one is the county what they did basically forced

4266
05:09:09,970 --> 05:09:15,510
us to make the decision by giving now like because their decision was we approve if they approve the

4267
05:09:15,510 --> 05:09:22,010
I like our residents don't want us to approve an extension in my belief on anything to do with them

4268
05:09:22,010 --> 05:09:29,170
So I'm having a hard time with saying to leave that with them without some oversight here locally for another year.

4269
05:09:30,810 --> 05:09:34,610
I also think they lack understanding that that doesn't include the key lacks understanding.

4270
05:09:34,890 --> 05:09:38,090
He needs to include all the homes and everything over that course of that whole.

4271
05:09:38,430 --> 05:09:39,810
Oh, no, this would just be life.

4272
05:09:39,970 --> 05:09:40,150
Yeah.

4273
05:09:40,690 --> 05:09:47,030
My thought was the construction of the roads and the utilities, the roads basically.

4274
05:09:47,030 --> 05:09:49,050
I mean, the county would all receive

4275
05:09:49,050 --> 05:09:51,330
with the improvement completion assurance

4276
05:09:51,330 --> 05:09:52,770
and the equivalent warranty insurance

4277
05:09:53,350 --> 05:09:54,530
before you can record the plaque.

4278
05:09:55,190 --> 05:09:56,110
But then being there to a lot

4279
05:09:56,110 --> 05:09:57,370
and to come into being built,

4280
05:09:57,890 --> 05:09:58,870
comes through the city,

4281
05:09:59,290 --> 05:10:00,150
near whoever you log.

4282
05:10:00,770 --> 05:10:01,930
What if it's you where it's at?

4283
05:10:02,230 --> 05:10:04,610
Because the road's how that has been built for a year.

4284
05:10:05,070 --> 05:10:07,050
And that's how you've been in the improvements left to do,

4285
05:10:07,250 --> 05:10:09,250
then there's really nothing left for the county to do.

4286
05:10:09,610 --> 05:10:10,170
That was what I was like.

4287
05:10:10,310 --> 05:10:11,390
And there was some improvements,

4288
05:10:11,730 --> 05:10:13,690
like the project improvements that you have to do

4289
05:10:13,690 --> 05:10:14,710
with the subdivision,

4290
05:10:14,710 --> 05:10:18,770
And they have already collected the bond for that was supposed to be out for a certain amount of time.

4291
05:10:19,430 --> 05:10:22,450
It might be easily that with them, but we can always push for that back.

4292
05:10:23,050 --> 05:10:26,830
Part of his lack of what happened is because he didn't bond.

4293
05:10:26,950 --> 05:10:31,370
He didn't meet his obligations, and that's where it went before them, because he didn't do what he was supposed to.

4294
05:10:31,470 --> 05:10:32,730
Well, he's not, but then he's not bond.

4295
05:10:32,930 --> 05:10:33,550
He was not.

4296
05:10:33,810 --> 05:10:36,790
And so that might not even geo to think that's maybe, hey, he could bond with us.

4297
05:10:36,990 --> 05:10:37,710
We could figure that out.

4298
05:10:38,090 --> 05:10:39,290
I don't have a problem doing that.

4299
05:10:39,290 --> 05:10:42,030
That's that one for me everyone for me is that I

4300
05:10:43,030 --> 05:10:49,230
I'm fine bringing everything back and just not charging fees after the end of the year for ones that aren't on their findings

4301
05:10:49,230 --> 05:10:56,790
But that's it's like some of these are still a year out because they're just not doing anything. I hate to leave them there continually continuing

4302
05:10:58,150 --> 05:10:58,550
so

4303
05:10:59,550 --> 05:11:04,810
I'd like to get specific on with you. Yeah, I know I know we those certain meeting works because I wasn't left with them

4304
05:11:05,930 --> 05:11:08,990
I think they're anything I haven't paid if they have a club to the fee for it

4305
05:11:08,990 --> 05:11:13,350
There isn't any. I don't have any. I know they have this weird thing with some of the overview plans and they'll kind of say

4306
05:11:13,350 --> 05:11:17,990
I thought as it doesn't matter at this point you can turn it over to the city like if you haven't collected a feed

4307
05:11:18,790 --> 05:11:21,910
My thought is for the residents if they've paid someone to do something

4308
05:11:21,910 --> 05:11:23,670
They're not going to be able to get it back from the county

4309
05:11:24,430 --> 05:11:28,930
So try to get what they can out of the county was my thought, but obviously it's up to the council to decide

4310
05:11:28,930 --> 05:11:31,390
Yeah, and I'm finding a way when they're pleased to bring things back

4311
05:11:31,390 --> 05:11:36,010
I just the same way because the more trouble for them to have to go there on everything

4312
05:11:36,910 --> 05:11:41,170
you know and even even like this one we have tonight right they just go on

4313
05:11:41,170 --> 05:11:45,730
cancel it then we have to re up it seems like us re-uppening and taking an

4314
05:11:45,730 --> 05:11:49,750
unark about these here and I don't think it's janitor in the other group but

4315
05:11:49,750 --> 05:11:53,330
just it's like it feels like they just want to get out of it and make it better clean

4316
05:11:53,330 --> 05:11:58,250
this is it's just the girl who makes having a brand new city that's in the middle

4317
05:11:58,250 --> 05:12:05,990
of everything it's it doesn't have it very often so any other thoughts on the

4318
05:12:06,470 --> 05:12:15,010
Class C only. Class C before and now they put in all. That's a difference. We don't know. I should say the same language should be used to class C's.

4319
05:12:15,110 --> 05:12:17,770
Are you still fine with giving the class C's for the services?

4320
05:12:18,210 --> 05:12:21,690
Yes. As long as how we articulated all the services included before.

4321
05:12:22,030 --> 05:12:26,250
Yes. I was just like, we'll just copy the same language we had before and stick it back in.

4322
05:12:26,590 --> 05:12:34,690
The other one was we had a month of the expiration and now they've gone to six. We had a understanding of three months and we gave them that.

4323
05:12:34,690 --> 05:12:41,430
That's because that was up my word that we would do that, but it was in contract of only month and now they're jumped up six.

4324
05:12:42,010 --> 05:12:43,750
The most I would be in favor of three.

4325
05:12:44,770 --> 05:12:46,610
I don't know what the rest of the answer, but that's what.

4326
05:12:46,910 --> 05:12:51,750
Post for stay with 30 and if they argue, maybe say, let's do three.

4327
05:12:52,830 --> 05:12:53,650
30 for 30.

4328
05:12:56,740 --> 05:13:00,180
It feels like a little bit of retaliation.

4329
05:13:00,500 --> 05:13:01,100
Or take them away.

4330
05:13:06,140 --> 05:13:13,120
So yeah, so the class C 90 days are out of the days and you know, the sheriff

4331
05:13:13,120 --> 05:13:16,500
calls. Sheriff calls. They're going out land views. When are we going to know this

4332
05:13:16,500 --> 05:13:20,180
batch cost? So I guess that's through July of 24, right? We've already got that

4333
05:13:20,180 --> 05:13:25,020
joy. That contract's in place currently. And I think that I think whatever

4334
05:13:25,020 --> 05:13:30,180
lot like we talked about, whatever plan we go with in the end for long for

4335
05:13:30,180 --> 05:13:35,900
This fetch is always going to be in place no matter what because everyone uses them so there's no option to do it so

4336
05:13:37,300 --> 05:13:42,680
So we're going to have to agree with that over and over again. That's based on culture. But we are getting an RFP

4337
05:13:43,340 --> 05:13:48,900
For this fetch no no for that no, we just have to send a letter. No free. Are we doing an art?

4338
05:13:49,080 --> 05:13:54,980
You got to do an RFP. We can just send it out for the police. So we can look to possibly bid out grants for someone

4339
05:13:54,980 --> 05:13:59,380
We don't have to do an RFP. We just send a letter saying. Okay. This is what we're looking for. Tell us how much it costs

4340
05:13:59,380 --> 05:14:03,420
and have them come up with that letter we are working and we got a meeting

4341
05:14:03,420 --> 05:14:07,860
yeah I sent a text or to see if they want to talk with her thank you so I text

4342
05:14:07,860 --> 05:14:11,060
someone called him day and and right now we'll coordinate this next two days yeah

4343
05:14:11,060 --> 05:14:13,860
thank you yes I had a discussion last night

4344
05:14:25,100 --> 05:14:29,980
that's that Doyle we'll get it out of here everyone want to leave a question

4345
05:14:29,980 --> 05:14:33,300
we just think yes we can get together so we can better

4346
05:14:39,500 --> 05:14:40,780
along with it yeah I

4347
05:14:49,870 --> 05:14:51,230
think from

4348
05:14:51,230 --> 05:14:57,490
our feedback when we met with Colin a long time ago is it a council member or two on there

4349
05:14:57,490 --> 05:14:59,150
as they push everyone off contracts.

4350
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:11,740
July 24th, that's what we learned. Maybe that's still trucking forward and this is the way to do it, to out price and sorry, gotta go get your own. I can't think of any reason why, other than I miss

4351
05:15:11,740 --> 05:15:17,200
Kathleen we served the notices we opposed the workers press way we they lost

4352
05:15:17,200 --> 05:15:21,900
money on the waste we were told that I don't know of what's going on we couldn't

4353
05:15:21,900 --> 05:15:24,940
get on their regular budget to look at it but I do know it was calculated based

4354
05:15:24,940 --> 05:15:28,280
off of their budget not tax base

4355
05:15:34,420 --> 05:15:36,620
yes money

4356
05:15:49,650 --> 05:15:50,270
wise yeah

4357
05:15:52,320 --> 05:15:53,740
we're all ahead one more

4358
05:15:53,740 --> 05:15:59,140
question because everyone is always in fear but everything I know from

4359
05:15:59,140 --> 05:16:03,460
working alone enforcement is the sheriff under the state code has a legal obligation to act

4360
05:16:03,460 --> 05:16:09,200
during emergencies that if we went out of contract he still would have to respond to emergencies.

4361
05:16:09,620 --> 05:16:15,080
I have never known I had a similar discussion not exactly one-to-one but a similar one where

4362
05:16:15,480 --> 05:16:20,360
the sheriff from a different kind of instance in it we're still going to respond if there's

4363
05:16:20,360 --> 05:16:24,680
you know someone's an act of trying to kill someone else like we're going to come and respond

4364
05:16:24,680 --> 05:16:25,100
to it.

4365
05:16:25,580 --> 05:16:50,520
9-1 will still work. We're not going to get any additional services, and they're not going to patrol, and they're not going to do a lot of things, but they're going to handle the basic stuff. Now, thankfully, the city has an obligation to figure out how to handle basic 9-1-1 services. We have a state law obligation to do that, so they're still going to handle the emergencies, but it's, I don't want that gap to go too long, obviously.

4366
05:16:50,520 --> 05:16:55,440
No, no, I just, my three-veg I go from Larry Council members, they felt they were forced

4367
05:16:55,440 --> 05:16:58,620
because the messages to them, you won't have any help at all.

4368
05:16:58,700 --> 05:16:59,820
We're not going to come in to know if you don't.

4369
05:17:00,060 --> 05:17:01,900
I mean, I guess the right was Sheriff Codd.

4370
05:17:02,140 --> 05:17:04,400
I think that would be some problems with them.

4371
05:17:04,640 --> 05:17:07,760
Just, you don't have a responding to an animal in one call of something like that.

4372
05:17:08,040 --> 05:17:10,280
Yeah, and it did not come from him, it came from the council.

4373
05:17:10,980 --> 05:17:14,160
He, he is still up there and said, I wish I had control of my own thing.

4374
05:17:16,080 --> 05:17:18,100
That's how I'm different like to the officials, sometimes it works.

4375
05:17:20,100 --> 05:17:20,540
Okay.

4376
05:17:23,500 --> 05:17:27,600
Do you know if I experienced it once before in the south at Lake of all places?

4377
05:17:28,420 --> 05:17:33,800
There's a city that no one knows. Have you seen any more times where the hydro patrol

4378
05:17:33,800 --> 05:17:38,460
was contracting anymore? It's one I haven't considered sending it to because that's the only

4379
05:17:38,460 --> 05:17:43,180
place I saw. But they contracted with the hydro patrol to do traffic control and all that

4380
05:17:43,180 --> 05:17:46,980
within their city and then focused on other calls, another contract.

4381
05:17:46,980 --> 05:17:50,540
I haven't seen that too often. Most because it's hard enough to get how to control

4382
05:17:51,240 --> 05:17:57,820
Team could do like state roads. Yeah, they love doing the freeways, but like some of the longer state roads

4383
05:17:57,820 --> 05:17:59,080
They don't really get on as much

4384
05:17:59,680 --> 05:18:03,920
But I guess there's nothing stopping them from contracting. It's having seen it. The one thing too is you're getting them

4385
05:18:03,920 --> 05:18:09,300
Convincing them that it's worth their time. I can see all the time. They ran it mostly on overtime chase for their officers

4386
05:18:09,300 --> 05:18:14,140
They want to do work overtime. I mean, I mean, I think I guess if you say we will agree to pay overtime

4387
05:18:14,140 --> 05:18:17,940
time. You could probably, because they're not overstaffed. I mean, I think it's my

4388
05:18:17,940 --> 05:18:27,800
aim to tie their officers to want to do it. I agree.

4389
05:18:45,750 --> 05:18:47,030
Another come down to what we want.

4390
05:18:47,390 --> 05:18:50,190
And I briefly touched on in the last meeting.

4391
05:19:14,360 --> 05:19:16,960
How is the sheriff funded? I know it's from

4392
05:19:16,960 --> 05:19:21,880
the journal. Is it from the county general fund? Or is it? I was just looking at it.

4393
05:19:21,880 --> 05:19:28,700
That's something to look into because I had a different county with they had this argument

4394
05:19:28,700 --> 05:19:34,360
with the county where your residents still pay county tax, but unincorporated county

4395
05:19:34,360 --> 05:19:41,040
pays typically for a county municipal services tax that incorporated municipalities don't

4396
05:19:41,040 --> 05:19:41,260
pay.

4397
05:19:41,680 --> 05:19:45,820
Like it's the tax that's supposed to fund municipal type services to unincorporated county

4398
05:19:45,820 --> 05:19:46,040
tax.

4399
05:19:46,560 --> 05:19:47,160
Exactly what they have.

4400
05:19:47,700 --> 05:19:47,820
Yes.

4401
05:19:47,820 --> 05:19:52,000
Yes, so it makes sense that late point residents don't pay that, but you still pay county tax.

4402
05:19:52,480 --> 05:19:59,380
If the sheriff is funded in part with general fund bunnies, to some extent, late point

4403
05:19:59,380 --> 05:20:00,900
residents are still paying for the sheriff.

4404
05:20:01,560 --> 05:20:06,080
Now, there's still services the sheriff must do, like their services and operating a jail

4405
05:20:06,080 --> 05:20:11,060
and all of that stuff, but that's why to your point earlier, why they still provide services

4406
05:20:11,060 --> 05:20:15,680
sometimes, because late point residents are still paying into the county, which helps fund

4407
05:20:15,680 --> 05:20:16,120
the county.

4408
05:20:16,700 --> 05:20:18,700
I'm not sure exactly what pool it comes in.

4409
05:20:19,220 --> 05:20:20,180
That's a little bit too.

4410
05:20:21,520 --> 05:20:22,980
It's a lot of this conversation with Nathan.

4411
05:20:23,160 --> 05:20:25,720
I'll have some edits and discussions about this.

4412
05:20:26,000 --> 05:20:30,080
I just want to make sure I got your concerns, so I can relay them back and start trying to edit

4413
05:20:30,080 --> 05:20:31,600
this down before Thanksgiving.

4414
05:20:34,780 --> 05:20:36,500
So I didn't do longer that one day.

4415
05:20:36,720 --> 05:20:37,940
That's an important thing.

4416
05:20:38,880 --> 05:20:41,440
That spreadsheet that I provided to everybody.

4417
05:20:59,110 --> 05:20:59,550
Thank you.

4418
05:21:07,330 --> 05:21:08,630
I don't have anything else.

4419
05:21:08,630 --> 05:21:09,230
Well,

4420
05:21:15,720 --> 05:21:18,320
our Kathleen, do you have anything for up while

4421
05:21:22,520 --> 05:21:28,560
you're looking can I bring something up so?

4422
05:21:29,520 --> 05:21:36,380
We just got reached out by during this meeting by the

4423
05:21:40,600 --> 05:21:46,920
our engineer that's working with Mike Davie which is the

4424
05:21:46,920 --> 05:21:54,460
H.D. architects, which the church of this entity is building here soon. And they were asking

4425
05:21:54,460 --> 05:22:03,960
if we are asking about our parking lot ordinance. Is that technically in our, should

4426
05:22:03,960 --> 05:22:08,680
it be in their commercials or not? Our standards. It's in our, we have a discussion of

4427
05:22:08,680 --> 05:22:14,560
something that is in their calculations. So when that gets passed, it's going to be basically

4428
05:22:14,560 --> 05:22:21,320
that addresses it. So we don't need to work on a parking lot ordinance. They also brought up some

4429
05:22:21,320 --> 05:22:28,100
other things but I don't think any of them are your questions there. I'll bring it up in my

4430
05:22:28,100 --> 05:22:29,180
I don't know if I

4431
05:22:31,290 --> 05:22:31,290
can do that.

4432
05:22:31,290 --> 05:22:31,590
No, I don't.

4433
05:22:34,070 --> 05:22:37,520
Do we need to be in a dumps of normal regulation?

4434
05:22:37,800 --> 05:22:38,360
I think we did.

4435
05:22:38,620 --> 05:22:39,380
Yes, yes.

4436
05:22:40,140 --> 05:22:42,040
I'll be waiting for us a cyclone review.

4437
05:22:42,320 --> 05:22:44,740
The parking is in the supplemental.

4438
05:22:45,420 --> 05:22:46,600
I think parking is in the supplemental.

4439
05:22:46,600 --> 05:22:47,220
I think parking is in the supplemental.

4440
05:22:47,220 --> 05:22:48,860
It's more of a, now when you do a cyclone,

4441
05:22:49,240 --> 05:22:52,180
we can have them submit the thing that we can then approve.

4442
05:22:54,180 --> 05:22:57,180
But yes, we needed both of those things in place.

4443
05:22:57,380 --> 05:22:59,980
Okay, no, I'll just send the supplemental regulations.

4444
05:23:04,460 --> 05:23:09,320
I just needed to make sure that we didn't need a parking lot board and all this stuff.

4445
05:23:09,860 --> 05:23:10,280
How much?

4446
05:23:10,620 --> 05:23:11,380
Thank you all.

4447
05:23:23,340 --> 05:23:23,740
Dan.

4448
05:23:24,720 --> 05:23:26,180
Um, I'm sure Jerry.

4449
05:23:27,920 --> 05:23:30,860
Unless you guys have a lot more to cover, then I can excuse myself.

4450
05:23:31,380 --> 05:23:32,020
If you can.

4451
05:23:32,160 --> 05:23:32,520
Yeah, we do.

4452
05:23:32,820 --> 05:23:35,180
If you want to go outside, we need to cover this.

4453
05:23:35,940 --> 05:23:38,000
I do want to stay, but I'm just wasting.

4454
05:23:38,000 --> 05:23:48,600
They got big day tomorrow and then I got 40 tomorrow legal is left at 11.24

4455
05:23:50,500 --> 05:23:50,940
PM

4456
05:23:52,440 --> 05:23:55,560
So then you don't have anything. I don't have anything and thank you

4457
05:23:55,560 --> 05:24:04,480
Access points where do you guys want we meet within tomorrow with you not you guys have any preference on where access points are for SR 36 for businesses

4458
05:24:08,540 --> 05:24:13,100
I have one, me and Doyle have like tomorrow and then me and you have one the following

4459
05:24:13,100 --> 05:24:14,740
the different group with UDOT.

4460
05:24:15,100 --> 05:24:15,160
Yeah.

4461
05:24:15,160 --> 05:24:16,160
Is that the one that's coming here?

4462
05:24:16,720 --> 05:24:17,000
Yeah.

4463
05:24:17,500 --> 05:24:22,480
Wasn't there only like one option in addition that we already have?

4464
05:24:23,220 --> 05:24:24,020
So what?

4465
05:24:24,640 --> 05:24:27,180
Because I looked at the things where the line is.

4466
05:24:27,180 --> 05:24:33,120
Those are the agreements and I'll find out what UDOT says exactly when I talk to Chip

4467
05:24:33,120 --> 05:24:38,760
with UDOT he says that he wants to get the word from the municipality so when

4468
05:24:38,760 --> 05:24:42,880
developers come in he knows what the city wants so it's not always just what

4469
05:24:42,880 --> 05:24:47,140
the developer wants. So what Chris has sent us is what has already been

4470
05:24:47,140 --> 05:24:52,020
agreed worked out I don't know if that can be changed we'll find out tomorrow but

4471
05:24:52,020 --> 05:24:56,960
that's what I sent you was what Chris had sent us but UDOT is asking what we want

4472
05:24:56,960 --> 05:24:59,960
at city is my understanding for a meeting tomorrow.

4473
05:25:01,660 --> 05:25:09,020
This is the map of the one Chris sent and there's something on the back.

4474
05:25:09,740 --> 05:25:11,220
I opened that.

4475
05:25:11,520 --> 05:25:17,660
And then my printer is being weird, so I couldn't get then on this.

4476
05:25:17,720 --> 05:25:21,700
This is a lot in between which makes sense to me.

4477
05:25:21,800 --> 05:25:24,240
That makes sense to make our community more connected.

4478
05:25:24,680 --> 05:25:26,100
That's one of the times.

4479
05:25:26,100 --> 05:25:36,340
So, and then on this one that was done in February of 2003 and then again in September of 2008,

4480
05:25:38,060 --> 05:25:44,260
this one, May of 2011, it's the same as the 2003.

4481
05:25:44,880 --> 05:25:48,080
It puts a future on Simmeram way, Earth away.

4482
05:25:48,400 --> 05:25:50,440
Well, those are down there, if AIDS can come back to us.

4483
05:25:50,440 --> 05:25:58,760
Can you wrote in sunset is some future ones that they're looking at that that was done in 2011 proposed

4484
05:25:59,700 --> 05:26:01,920
with the Utah Department with

4485
05:26:01,920 --> 05:26:04,820
I don't know who's this one with with them and

4486
05:26:04,820 --> 05:26:06,480
That was proposed by

4487
05:26:06,480 --> 05:26:09,500
By I think it was by the county

4488
05:26:10,100 --> 05:26:12,980
Which would make for the last two pages

4489
05:26:14,740 --> 05:26:19,560
So yeah, so I'm not exactly sure what

4490
05:26:20,440 --> 05:26:24,260
He just said that that's the conversation that typically they have the municipalities.

4491
05:26:25,540 --> 05:26:29,600
And we need to set that up and he wanted to start the conversation to Doyle and I meet

4492
05:26:29,600 --> 05:26:30,940
with him at 9 a.m. tomorrow.

4493
05:26:31,460 --> 05:26:32,680
So is there something beyond?

4494
05:26:33,780 --> 05:26:41,720
This is as the businesses are being developed here like gas station now and there's a sunset

4495
05:26:41,720 --> 05:26:43,460
goes basically across the road.

4496
05:26:43,920 --> 05:26:46,280
So another access point across from the sunset?

4497
05:26:46,580 --> 05:26:48,240
No, just the light.

4498
05:26:48,440 --> 05:26:48,620
Light?

4499
05:26:48,620 --> 05:26:54,500
a light. I mean as it develops out more that's kind of so whatever's there.

4500
05:26:54,700 --> 05:26:59,240
But this is a future signal. So what about his the specific thing was access points.

4501
05:26:59,760 --> 05:27:02,500
Was access points? Well the access point this one does.

4502
05:27:02,600 --> 05:27:05,240
Is this what you guys are happy with on?

4503
05:27:05,940 --> 05:27:08,940
It's what you have to be a certain distance away.

4504
05:27:09,840 --> 05:27:11,460
And less and less and less and less and less.

4505
05:27:11,640 --> 05:27:14,520
Well, I'm not going to put some like in the middle, but and forget one of these.

4506
05:27:14,620 --> 05:27:16,440
But it just logically makes sense.

4507
05:27:16,440 --> 05:27:17,760
so just continue over.

4508
05:27:18,100 --> 05:27:23,240
Well it's a specific amount of space between one and a half.

4509
05:27:23,240 --> 05:27:25,260
Right, point five is what they told us but-

4510
05:27:25,260 --> 05:27:26,640
Is there-

4511
05:27:26,640 --> 05:27:28,720
Was it a mile?

4512
05:27:28,860 --> 05:27:29,540
Chris said a mile?

4513
05:27:29,800 --> 05:27:30,700
Chris said a mile, sorry.

4514
05:27:30,980 --> 05:27:31,700
Yeah, this one.

4515
05:27:31,900 --> 05:27:34,540
So I'm going with U. Dot and not with every-

4516
05:27:34,540 --> 05:27:37,760
I'm going in kind of like hope in U. Dot will give us other-

4517
05:27:38,320 --> 05:27:40,700
You know, we're getting one person's percent.

4518
05:27:40,940 --> 05:27:43,000
So maybe U. Dot will give us something different.

4519
05:27:43,500 --> 05:27:45,680
So I would like to know they're stopping different.

4520
05:27:45,680 --> 05:27:50,880
I'm just telling you what what we were tasked by the developer I know that like on freeways

4521
05:27:50,880 --> 05:27:52,620
They want them separated by a certain

4522
05:27:52,620 --> 05:27:57,580
Right, okay, but I think we should do all three of those and we're still right we're fine

4523
05:27:57,580 --> 05:28:01,520
We do all three of those in the one-cent set and those other two suggestion are they also talking

4524
05:28:02,520 --> 05:28:09,740
Just vehicular access points where they're talking to the industry and I'll find out they didn't specify I would like to talk to

4525
05:28:09,740 --> 05:28:11,760
Yes, we have this stuff, we can really cool that.

4526
05:28:11,900 --> 05:28:13,260
But at least we want to access point across

4527
05:28:13,260 --> 05:28:15,760
and get over to the Starbucks, for example,

4528
05:28:15,760 --> 05:28:17,080
because one of the walkover, you know,

4529
05:28:17,460 --> 05:28:19,140
it'd be nice to have one, or underneath,

4530
05:28:19,480 --> 05:28:20,380
like they did over in the stands.

4531
05:28:20,500 --> 05:28:22,520
Underneath, probably, it won't work

4532
05:28:22,520 --> 05:28:24,880
because of the, yeah, but, yeah, it's high water.

4533
05:28:25,580 --> 05:28:26,640
I'll show you, yeah.

4534
05:28:27,760 --> 05:28:28,660
Yeah, unless they're good to go.

4535
05:28:28,660 --> 05:28:29,120
It's hard to wear.

4536
05:28:29,380 --> 05:28:29,880
It's just a good one.

4537
05:28:30,480 --> 05:28:33,480
I have brought up the skywalk to everybody with you,

4538
05:28:33,540 --> 05:28:34,460
that will listen to me.

4539
05:28:36,320 --> 05:28:37,720
It's not something nice.

4540
05:28:37,720 --> 05:28:44,760
it sounds in the near future and but I'll keep bringing it up to them. I've had

4541
05:28:44,760 --> 05:28:49,580
three different UDOT people that groups that tried to top two and so. So with

4542
05:28:49,580 --> 05:28:55,360
that also being in connection with the UDOT doing anything with trials along the

4543
05:28:55,360 --> 05:29:04,820
way because I know that they did a long... I am going up to the camera and they are

4544
05:29:07,760 --> 05:29:14,910
So that's why that's why when she was here last week just the guy that were me

4545
05:29:15,500 --> 05:29:22,960
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know so that's so so when they when they talked about when I

4546
05:29:22,960 --> 05:29:28,100
talked to this gentleman about grants when we talked about trails and going along

4547
05:29:28,100 --> 05:29:33,520
the road to incorporate that into when there's fun if that's something the city

4548
05:29:33,520 --> 05:29:37,660
The best thing we want is to allow us, our grade six, the best time to do it is that we're

4549
05:29:37,660 --> 05:29:43,820
doing that road and so funding would be less expensive to do what are already written things

4550
05:29:43,820 --> 05:29:46,480
apart and we have to go get grants and try to put that in there.

4551
05:29:46,640 --> 05:29:49,840
They're not going to do it but if the city wanted to pay for it, it would probably be cheaper

4552
05:29:49,840 --> 05:29:52,200
to do it while they're doing their construction.

4553
05:29:52,800 --> 05:29:57,580
So if you could do them in tandem and we can tell them our needs and our wants and we can go

4554
05:29:57,580 --> 05:29:59,980
get funding, it would probably be less expensive to do.

4555
05:30:00,780 --> 05:30:18,120
Okay. That big, that big project that the state wants to undertake as far as trails and all the funding that they have. None of them really ran along SR 36. They came around the mountain. I know that that's why I'm trying to point out. Yeah.

4556
05:30:57,260 --> 05:31:03,940
We talked about it in our one meeting, come around, SR201 somehow, because there's no way currently to get from Magnet to here.

4557
05:31:04,520 --> 05:31:07,980
All of the cities almost mentioned that when they said there's an issue.

4558
05:31:08,540 --> 05:31:13,000
So once they get to SR360, they didn't really address how to get over it.

4559
05:31:13,520 --> 05:31:15,000
But yes, that will have to be addressed.

4560
05:31:15,660 --> 05:31:18,040
Because then they know what they want to go down to.

4561
05:31:19,900 --> 05:31:22,080
So it will have to be addressed eventually.

4562
05:31:22,840 --> 05:31:23,940
And hopefully they'll fund that.

4563
05:31:23,940 --> 05:31:28,720
So, so where would you want to be pedestrian access points?

4564
05:31:31,600 --> 05:31:32,140
So,

4565
05:31:35,280 --> 05:31:40,120
somewhere between, you know, I don't know if this is going that or not, but I just printed

4566
05:31:40,120 --> 05:31:41,740
the case, so just for that.

4567
05:31:42,400 --> 05:31:51,020
So, since most of our commercial stuff is like right on what it is in this area, I'm thinking

4568
05:32:21,020 --> 05:32:27,540
there. Well, if it would light the team up, it's light. Well, so this light crossing,

4569
05:32:28,120 --> 05:32:32,560
you know, it's only one half. No, right, so much. So much. So much. So much. So then,

4570
05:32:32,760 --> 05:32:37,360
the definition of the sun sun, just for what? And then we just, he says that sunset,

4571
05:32:38,660 --> 05:32:44,940
it's okay. Is this right? That sunset. Yeah. Sorry, there are just two big details.

4572
05:32:44,940 --> 05:32:53,520
And then another access point would be more so up in this area, because these would be like the

4573
05:32:53,520 --> 05:32:59,000
unions sometimes, the meal, the whole meal, the rule factory or whatever.

4574
05:32:59,140 --> 05:33:04,500
The ruins there, there are some existing trails, just tying something in and of that area too.

4575
05:33:05,100 --> 05:33:07,540
So a couple of places for pedestrians to cross.

4576
05:33:09,440 --> 05:33:13,600
And if they go off by where that Adobe Rock is,

4577
05:33:13,600 --> 05:33:21,140
We're close by and they're already up elevated, so then they just continue out of them, and it just goes down.

4578
05:33:21,760 --> 05:33:26,700
Do you have any, you may have any extra suggestions of access point versus what he has here?

4579
05:33:27,940 --> 05:33:32,160
This is halfway between Sonsan and Canyon, halfway here.

4580
05:33:32,520 --> 05:33:36,240
Quarter preservation agreement to amend a desired new intersection.

4581
05:33:40,620 --> 05:33:47,480
Yeah, I printed off the picture of Chris's one, and what he wants, he owns it.

4582
05:33:52,460 --> 05:33:57,880
That's what I want to go in with what we want.

4583
05:33:58,040 --> 05:33:59,380
This is the whole point of this minute.

4584
05:34:04,040 --> 05:34:09,300
Okay, let's not say it's a light. It's an access point doesn't have to be a light.

4585
05:34:09,760 --> 05:34:12,160
It just has to be an access point into it, right?

4586
05:34:12,400 --> 05:34:13,660
Sure they know that you don't have a light.

4587
05:34:13,660 --> 05:34:18,020
Okay, but we can let them know whatever I would just like to have some feedback to what you guys want to see.

4588
05:34:18,860 --> 05:34:27,580
You know, is this necessarily I'm just printing what they he has but if they're just asking us purely an access point and that doesn't necessarily have to be light.

4589
05:34:27,580 --> 05:34:34,960
I don't know if that necessarily is why I just tried to make it so that we can connect the city right to over here over there

4590
05:34:34,960 --> 05:34:39,640
Right so we're and even the same thing like if we built this all up in front and true

4591
05:34:39,640 --> 05:34:43,580
Would you want to have another access point in here? I don't

4592
05:34:48,320 --> 05:34:52,560
You know, so we are one time talked about them.

4593
05:35:00,530 --> 05:35:01,050
Yeah

4594
05:35:01,050 --> 05:35:17,430
That's something that does, but if we're just thinking purely just thought process of access points, which I think that's the main focus of where along S-I-36 would we want another access point into our city on either side.

4595
05:35:18,110 --> 05:35:27,950
So on this one, in particular, access points fly over with, we don't need to go both directions.

4596
05:35:32,550 --> 05:35:38,110
So that you could get a seat with a flyover.

4597
05:35:39,430 --> 05:35:40,970
So yeah, I would love to fly over.

4598
05:35:41,110 --> 05:35:42,630
I don't see that happening too much now.

4599
05:35:42,690 --> 05:35:45,230
But if we had like the friendly drills and we can come in here.

4600
05:35:46,030 --> 05:35:49,430
I know, like if we came off S-R-36 into the friend drill,

4601
05:35:49,430 --> 05:35:51,310
so you'd have access up here on Canyon.

4602
05:35:51,890 --> 05:35:53,630
You'd have access up here on Sunset.

4603
05:35:54,170 --> 05:35:56,270
And you could have access maybe possibly in the middle

4604
05:35:56,270 --> 05:35:59,790
to connect to that furniture, would that be a ben, you know what I'm saying?

4605
05:36:00,490 --> 05:36:02,690
Not necessarily light, but the natural.

4606
05:36:04,890 --> 05:36:08,910
Or without put too much interruption in between that flow, to put a road there.

4607
05:36:10,390 --> 05:36:12,890
I don't know, I don't know, construction room 19.

4608
05:36:14,550 --> 05:36:15,430
They don't know.

4609
05:36:17,370 --> 05:36:18,910
They don't like that at the point.

4610
05:36:19,590 --> 05:36:21,790
That's why they're very limited on that one.

4611
05:36:22,150 --> 05:36:22,950
That's what I'm referring to.

4612
05:36:26,090 --> 05:36:42,370
But if it's a flyover, then that access point is not so bad, because it's not stopping the track aircraft there trying to, so they're going to add that lane that went to three to three that lane all the way down to here, right?

4613
05:36:42,990 --> 05:36:50,410
the next project and then they're going to do a couple of years later or that's just one more year ago.

4614
05:36:50,550 --> 05:36:54,650
The ones that goes all the way down from standardization.

4615
05:36:55,150 --> 05:36:56,310
Yeah, it's due to awards.

4616
05:36:56,990 --> 05:36:57,430
Probably.

4617
05:36:58,110 --> 05:37:01,490
But see, like, if you're putting something here, it's an access point.

4618
05:37:01,630 --> 05:37:05,030
They wouldn't want another at the same level.

4619
05:37:05,190 --> 05:37:09,470
It would be a flyover, but they could exit when they could enter back in Los Angeles.

4620
05:37:10,990 --> 05:37:19,430
Okay, so round this over, but we want to fly over around here, so I know that's, uh,

4621
05:37:20,010 --> 05:37:20,510
five drinks.

4622
05:37:21,370 --> 05:37:28,910
Well, we can always ask, you know, so I know you have, so I, I, something into this area,

4623
05:37:29,170 --> 05:37:37,650
I mean, because of the amount of volume of traffic on that road, they might be really successful.

4624
05:37:37,650 --> 05:37:45,690
So that's what they've been doing on Bangerter because of so I mean it is a possibility

4625
05:37:45,690 --> 05:37:49,830
that complex it's just we're not high priority and to look at it.

4626
05:37:49,910 --> 05:37:55,510
Well the response I got is it took 25 years to get to

4627
05:37:57,590 --> 05:37:58,250
do it.

4628
05:38:00,130 --> 05:38:06,090
Yeah the government has put the money that's what goes to the money will be only get it for

4629
05:38:06,090 --> 05:38:06,310
this kind.

4630
05:38:06,310 --> 05:38:09,930
I mean something here, very, I think something here is very beneficial for this,

4631
05:38:09,970 --> 05:38:15,910
like, so when they do develop along here, the sheer people being across here are like helping us.

4632
05:38:17,210 --> 05:38:19,730
Yeah, they have purpose there to be dealt here in the food.

4633
05:38:21,050 --> 05:38:25,650
Was this when I used to eat it right now, so you could do that safely, sorry, and again,

4634
05:38:27,310 --> 05:38:30,110
basically, for some reason, I think the city could change also.

4635
05:38:30,270 --> 05:38:32,690
And that the more people, well, it's the right way.

4636
05:38:32,930 --> 05:38:34,050
Yeah, you can, except for position.

4637
05:38:36,170 --> 05:38:39,150
or flight one. Okay, but the light too.

4638
05:38:39,670 --> 05:38:44,210
Like there's a sensor. No, no. They won't do it like there's that too close.

4639
05:38:45,110 --> 05:38:49,110
This is a sensor. Wait, that one is a sensor, sorry. I was thinking this was okay.

4640
05:38:49,450 --> 05:38:52,470
Yeah, they won't do it anymore. That's very nice.

4641
05:38:55,890 --> 05:39:00,950
Yeah. We're saying that it's too close, but see what they just did with the

4642
05:39:00,950 --> 05:39:10,930
but it stands very parkway like they just put in and how close that is to Polkanon line.

4643
05:39:11,170 --> 05:39:15,190
Oh, the one that used to be a straight arrow that Alice makes you stop for no reason?

4644
05:39:17,110 --> 05:39:19,770
So, you know, we're getting on rules.

4645
05:39:21,010 --> 05:39:22,370
That is true.

4646
05:39:23,530 --> 05:39:24,170
That is true.

4647
05:39:24,630 --> 05:39:26,990
We'll be interesting to see how that meaning goes tomorrow.

4648
05:39:26,990 --> 05:39:47,350
And then Ryan and I have one about expressway the following Wednesday Wednesday. Yeah, so all right, so that's I just want to make sure you guys have to be back before that

4649
05:39:57,140 --> 05:39:58,420
Thank you. All right.

4650
05:40:05,360 --> 05:40:08,480
Yeah. Well, they like I told you they're all over Europe

4651
05:40:12,620 --> 05:40:14,320
All right, so we'll do that.

4652
05:40:14,680 --> 05:40:41,270
Well, they're up to, yeah, I know that, I know that, I know that we need to talk about a historical committee, we need to talk about grant committee, or just hire a grant person, we need to decide what we're doing, but we can talk about that later.

4653
05:40:41,270 --> 05:40:45,090
on the other thing real quick was, I did the access point.

4654
05:40:45,590 --> 05:40:48,010
Essentially, you guys email about emergency training.

4655
05:40:48,190 --> 05:40:49,690
They send it, they reach out together

4656
05:40:49,690 --> 05:40:51,250
while they're using their mock training.

4657
05:40:52,010 --> 05:40:53,450
So they can both stay to see them

4658
05:40:53,450 --> 05:40:54,430
in one of the centers.

4659
05:40:55,110 --> 05:40:56,550
They're willing to do it in the evening.

4660
05:40:56,790 --> 05:40:58,910
They'll try to keep it to one hour, maybe now and a half.

4661
05:40:59,150 --> 05:41:04,150
So I know that the chef did this bad for me, but...

4662
05:41:04,150 --> 05:41:05,870
Yes, it doesn't work.

4663
05:41:06,210 --> 05:41:06,370
Yeah.

4664
05:41:06,590 --> 05:41:10,150
We have a scheduled meeting on the fifth,

4665
05:41:10,150 --> 05:41:11,770
That's all right? December 5th?

4666
05:41:11,770 --> 05:41:12,030
Oh, yeah.

4667
05:41:12,110 --> 05:41:12,850
There you have your canvas.

4668
05:41:13,630 --> 05:41:13,970
Yeah.

4669
05:41:14,230 --> 05:41:16,650
It won't be very long, but we do have a schedule.

4670
05:41:16,850 --> 05:41:18,110
And the counties need that day.

4671
05:41:18,110 --> 05:41:20,270
So I wanted to go to Cali, and I have something to call you.

4672
05:41:20,510 --> 05:41:21,230
So I did this back.

4673
05:41:21,810 --> 05:41:22,090
Shh.

4674
05:41:22,350 --> 05:41:23,470
Forget about the campus meeting.

4675
05:41:23,710 --> 05:41:24,770
Can we rest the canvas?

4676
05:41:24,930 --> 05:41:27,210
You just read it, and then we say, yeah, and vote for her?

4677
05:41:27,470 --> 05:41:28,030
Yeah, sure.

4678
05:41:28,230 --> 05:41:29,590
It doesn't even matter.

4679
05:41:29,790 --> 05:41:30,410
You can have two.

4680
05:41:30,630 --> 05:41:33,610
As long as I have a core here, but it's our first canvas.

4681
05:41:33,830 --> 05:41:35,270
So I don't know if you're going to get sentimental.

4682
05:41:35,930 --> 05:41:38,110
But I do need a lot of this.

4683
05:41:38,110 --> 05:41:39,010
I got a call for you.

4684
05:41:39,010 --> 05:41:40,390
Break that idea and then I'll try.

4685
05:41:42,090 --> 05:41:43,370
You put it in my eye.

4686
05:41:44,590 --> 05:41:45,210
Oh, shoot.

4687
05:41:46,150 --> 05:41:46,510
Yeah.

4688
05:41:47,030 --> 05:41:48,450
Well, we didn't schedule with them.

4689
05:41:48,690 --> 05:41:51,970
So that's why we didn't schedule with the fire spot parks here on the fence.

4690
05:41:52,230 --> 05:41:52,410
Yeah.

4691
05:41:53,410 --> 05:41:53,910
That's fine.

4692
05:41:54,050 --> 05:41:54,530
We could do it outside.

4693
05:41:54,850 --> 05:41:54,970
Yeah.

4694
05:41:55,330 --> 05:41:55,450
Okay.

4695
05:41:56,190 --> 05:41:57,470
I mean, it's normally high.

4696
05:41:57,590 --> 05:41:58,190
We can take 15 minutes.

4697
05:41:58,410 --> 05:41:58,550
Yeah.

4698
05:41:58,990 --> 05:42:00,790
You can come enjoy a bunch of your hearing.

4699
05:42:01,430 --> 05:42:03,270
And how we set a specific time.

4700
05:42:04,150 --> 05:42:04,710
Oh, yeah.

4701
05:42:04,870 --> 05:42:06,890
I don't think a specific time was set.

4702
05:42:07,150 --> 05:42:07,510
No, I don't think so.

4703
05:42:07,570 --> 05:42:07,670
I don't think so.

4704
05:42:07,830 --> 05:42:07,890
I don't think so.

4705
05:42:07,910 --> 05:42:08,090
I don't think so.

4706
05:42:08,110 --> 05:42:13,370
that day right? I haven't posted it yet. You don't meet till seven so we can just say yeah

4707
05:42:13,370 --> 05:42:17,990
yeah just do six of them. What time's the county meeting me? I don't know. Because that's when

4708
05:42:17,990 --> 05:42:24,830
they're voting on the ILA's. Someone needs to be there. If usually they start at seven. Usually right?

4709
05:42:25,110 --> 05:42:29,270
Yeah I don't think they're six. I don't think they've ever won anything. They have their pre meetings.

4710
05:42:29,470 --> 05:42:33,790
Yeah they have their pre meetings before that. So that matters. Okay so that's all I got.

4711
05:42:39,470 --> 05:42:40,170
That's all you

4712
05:42:40,170 --> 05:42:40,490
Okay.

4713
05:42:42,680 --> 05:43:03,860
Oh, I've had a request for speed limit signs on foothills. There are none. And now that the road connects to like point high to all those areas, it's my understanding from the residents there that people are flying up and down foothill, but there's zero speed limit signs over there. So they're requesting to get some.

4714
05:43:03,860 --> 05:43:11,120
put up. What was that? Yeah, I wanted to talk where they can come off the. I

4715
05:43:11,120 --> 05:43:16,080
don't know. And out of the hype. I brought this up during. Yes, I talked to

4716
05:43:16,080 --> 05:43:21,000
the county about this a year or two years ago. And my input was we should know

4717
05:43:21,000 --> 05:43:24,880
it's 25. Going into residential. I go it's 40 on that.

4718
05:43:25,020 --> 05:43:29,600
No, that's the concern they come off. It's 40 and it doesn't matter. Exactly. Yeah.

4719
05:43:29,600 --> 05:43:45,860
Yeah, so yeah, so if you can work that out with is that hybrid I would like

4720
05:43:52,580 --> 05:43:55,640
to see go down from 40 at the 40s way too high for that area

4721
05:43:56,420 --> 05:44:02,400
Yeah, I'm surprised. Yeah, I brought that up to the what's what so we can figure that out to help them

4722
05:44:02,900 --> 05:44:10,380
It's also a highly-used road to get all the side-by-side ATVs and everything at high speed up to the trails.

4723
05:44:11,500 --> 05:44:13,500
So, if we can mark it for you.

4724
05:44:20,140 --> 05:44:20,920
I'm not sure.

4725
05:44:29,050 --> 05:44:32,530
The only other thing I have is the eye of the schedule of the tour.

4726
05:44:33,910 --> 05:44:35,930
The head of the schedule of the tour.

4727
05:44:36,690 --> 05:44:39,070
Because it's a holiday, there's a lot of around the office.

4728
05:44:40,130 --> 05:44:43,070
10 a.m. on Saturday, the December 2nd.

4729
05:44:43,710 --> 05:44:46,850
I said, well, we can't have everyone there, and they said, well, that's all we can do.

4730
05:44:47,030 --> 05:44:51,210
So do we have enough to go that it makes it worth a while?

4731
05:44:51,370 --> 05:44:53,230
Or should I tell everyone we have to wait till the new year?

4732
05:44:57,040 --> 05:44:58,200
I think it's going to work, right?

4733
05:44:58,500 --> 05:44:59,700
Yeah, I work on Saturdays.

4734
05:45:05,180 --> 05:45:28,960
I can make it. I want to check with Dan. He told me to text him once I found out. So did you say 10? 10 a.m. You know, can you? I should be going. If you want me, I should feel that I do. I just never know when I'm invited.

4735
05:45:30,080 --> 05:45:37,880
I was going to say it would be nice to invite Jamie and Jamie as well.

4736
05:45:45,240 --> 05:45:52,160
The last time I saw that building, I went in and saw it as a residence.

4737
05:45:53,520 --> 05:45:56,420
They converted it to a residence for a period of time.

4738
05:45:59,300 --> 05:46:00,020
I saw it then.

4739
05:46:20,210 --> 05:46:27,970
I remember the old church, I just don't remember much about the residential, what they

4740
05:46:30,470 --> 05:46:37,350
That's all you have. The only thing that I have is on the, like it's something that you know

4741
05:46:37,350 --> 05:46:38,270
while I was in here,

4742
05:46:41,300 --> 05:46:49,340
the architecture class. And they, they, they're understanding that

4743
05:46:49,340 --> 05:46:57,280
there's a lot of community and sanders. And so they talk to, uh, John, the new map, you know,

4744
05:46:57,280 --> 05:47:02,460
review the sunset road detention requirements. He gave us some opinions on how we should probably

4745
05:47:02,460 --> 05:47:07,800
proceed but couldn't give us any definitive answers without ordinances in place. So this is

4746
05:47:07,800 --> 05:47:12,760
what they say there will be planning on and I think we need to make mention of it because I

4747
05:47:13,280 --> 05:47:19,940
not set this. They said concrete sidewalk and I had said asphalt if we were doing a trail.

4748
05:47:21,320 --> 05:47:26,820
Back of sidewalk on right away line, drainage swell from front of sidewalk to

4749
05:47:26,820 --> 05:47:36,220
existing edge of some step road. So that sounds the swell part sounds right. The

4750
05:47:36,220 --> 05:47:41,720
two H1V Maxwell's look three to four inches crushed rock on fabric 18-inch

4751
05:47:41,720 --> 05:47:48,800
minimum RCP culverts. Was that big enough? Right? Yeah, 18-inch, yeah. 18-inch should be

4752
05:47:48,800 --> 05:47:55,020
And then a new asphalt driveway from sidewalk to existing edge of asphalt.

4753
05:47:56,420 --> 05:48:04,460
And then stormwater detention, they say new underground storm tech retention or detention system at the low point.

4754
05:48:05,000 --> 05:48:11,380
So they, even though I suggested the northeast, it's a northwest corner of the property.

4755
05:48:12,440 --> 05:48:15,520
If soil conditions allow it, we'll design a retention system.

4756
05:48:16,380 --> 05:48:20,080
I don't think it will because it's so much water there.

4757
05:48:21,340 --> 05:48:27,660
People have artesian wells around that area, that's why.

4758
05:48:27,720 --> 05:48:38,380
Yeah, putting it on the north east would allow us to outflow into the normal storm flow

4759
05:48:38,380 --> 05:48:39,120
system there.

4760
05:48:39,120 --> 05:48:45,140
That's why I suggested it before, but they said, if soil conditions allow we will design

4761
05:48:45,140 --> 05:48:50,280
a retention system, or a detention system that will discharge to the existing drainage

4762
05:48:50,280 --> 05:48:56,800
swell along Sad about. We'll have our other north-west corner of the church site. I still think

4763
05:48:56,800 --> 05:49:05,160
it's north. It wouldn't be that hard to slope to the northeast with their... No, it's fairly flat.

4764
05:49:05,520 --> 05:49:12,040
Yeah. And then he asks questions. Church has prepared fence of this six-foot tall chain link fence with

4765
05:49:12,040 --> 05:49:18,340
black vinyl coating on the fence fabric and black cloths and rails. I think that's fine.

4766
05:49:18,720 --> 05:49:22,840
But he says is this approval for the east west and north side of the church property?

4767
05:49:24,520 --> 05:49:31,140
They don't want to have a fence. That fence along the frontage of Sunset Road, but they

4768
05:49:31,140 --> 05:49:37,180
suggested that probably do it to rail fencing along the sunset road furnished to prevent

4769
05:49:42,240 --> 05:49:44,420
I don't know if a lot of livestock there?

4770
05:49:44,700 --> 05:49:45,640
Of course it is.

4771
05:49:45,640 --> 05:49:46,420
You just never know.

4772
05:49:47,160 --> 05:49:47,600
I don't know.

4773
05:49:48,020 --> 05:49:49,220
Across the street is behind.

4774
05:49:49,940 --> 05:49:50,360
Yeah, I know.

4775
05:49:50,640 --> 05:49:51,680
That's what I'm not thinking to be.

4776
05:49:52,380 --> 05:49:55,640
I think the ones up and down like here that might wander up.

4777
05:49:55,860 --> 05:49:56,340
You know what I mean?

4778
05:49:56,720 --> 05:49:57,400
I don't...

4779
05:49:57,400 --> 05:49:59,580
Probably not, but...

4780
05:49:59,580 --> 05:50:02,340
It looks good on the other church.

4781
05:50:02,740 --> 05:50:04,120
Yeah, it gives a real look.

4782
05:50:04,180 --> 05:50:05,060
It gives the character.

4783
05:50:05,400 --> 05:50:05,800
Yeah.

4784
05:50:06,020 --> 05:50:06,540
So it's a...

4785
05:50:06,540 --> 05:50:07,160
Yeah, that would be good.

4786
05:50:07,160 --> 05:50:13,260
good. Yeah. I would like to see some type of potential on the front. Okay. The

4787
05:50:13,260 --> 05:50:17,320
supplemental regulations are close to being finalized. They are finalized. I can

4788
05:50:17,320 --> 05:50:21,500
send those to them and let you know that the parking and landscaping standards

4789
05:50:21,500 --> 05:50:26,620
will be for the church side. They're in there. But we should be good on that. And

4790
05:50:26,620 --> 05:50:30,320
when should we plan to submit for and receive the required site plan approval.

4791
05:50:36,700 --> 05:50:37,140
And

4792
05:50:37,140 --> 05:50:45,460
There, there, we will be completing our plans next week so we can go out to be a construction is scheduled to start as soon as whether it allows.

4793
05:50:46,940 --> 05:50:49,420
Yeah, probably in the early spring of 2024.

4794
05:50:51,140 --> 05:50:53,840
Well, soon as we can get this site plan, we'll need a better period.

4795
05:50:54,380 --> 05:50:56,560
But we can send them all this supplement and all everything else.

4796
05:50:56,560 --> 05:50:58,900
Yeah, I can send them everything else. I'll send them everything else.

4797
05:51:00,240 --> 05:51:00,660
Yeah.

4798
05:51:00,660 --> 05:51:02,300
Yeah, the first part is still concerning.

4799
05:51:02,300 --> 05:51:04,180
What about the concrete cymbal?

4800
05:51:04,380 --> 05:51:05,800
That really can take some time back.

4801
05:51:06,620 --> 05:51:08,280
I thought we were doing that.

4802
05:51:08,820 --> 05:51:12,700
Yeah, I mentioned that we should be doing asphalt when I sell enough to them.

4803
05:51:12,880 --> 05:51:14,840
Do you want that even after Rob's explanation?

4804
05:51:14,840 --> 05:51:18,880
I think leaving things natural packed first is maintained.

4805
05:51:19,060 --> 05:51:20,020
Because we take away the liability.

4806
05:51:21,180 --> 05:51:22,260
We can put up the sign, right?

4807
05:51:22,420 --> 05:51:24,480
But there's no expectation it's going to be plowed.

4808
05:51:26,400 --> 05:51:27,720
It gives more approval.

4809
05:51:27,720 --> 05:51:33,980
look. You've seen all the comments, people like the natural trails. They do. I just, the

4810
05:51:33,980 --> 05:51:37,520
weeds is what's going to be a pain to keep them off. But I guess that would be the church

4811
05:51:37,520 --> 05:51:39,140
that's, well, I don't know what that means.

4812
05:51:41,530 --> 05:51:43,890
I just, a couple of things about the way about

4813
05:51:43,890 --> 05:51:48,170
sidewalks as a whole, you know, is the cost. The cost becomes a city's after the bill.

4814
05:51:48,770 --> 05:51:53,310
The maintenance and all the upkeep and all the replacement. So that's a huge impact. Where will

4815
05:51:53,310 --> 05:51:57,390
it go without the other people putting sidewalks on the backside? No, it's not going anywhere.

4816
05:51:57,390 --> 05:52:05,910
So it's right now all of that all of that subdivision has a sidewalk across the street. Yeah, go to church

4817
05:52:05,910 --> 05:52:11,090
Yeah, they will have one having it in the front would be a good area for it to be on sunset

4818
05:52:11,090 --> 05:52:15,050
Is there any concern though with doing the shoulder trail with the swell?

4819
05:52:16,850 --> 05:52:19,570
Like up in my area and other areas

4820
05:52:19,570 --> 05:52:20,110
I

4821
05:52:22,480 --> 05:52:24,620
need to call them and have to see the area we're talking about.

4822
05:52:36,420 --> 05:52:37,060
I guess...

4823
05:52:37,060 --> 05:52:39,860
Ryan, you were talking about a soil there, but there's a mountain.

4824
05:52:42,380 --> 05:52:44,320
It doesn't exist on some site.

4825
05:52:44,800 --> 05:52:46,540
There is no...

4826
05:52:46,540 --> 05:52:48,680
So it could be a soil that goes to nowhere?

4827
05:52:49,200 --> 05:52:50,940
Well, they talked about the soil going...

4828
05:52:50,940 --> 05:52:52,060
I thought it was just part of it.

4829
05:52:52,100 --> 05:52:58,480
I mentioned that they could take it and send it to the other...

4830
05:52:58,480 --> 05:53:06,600
Where they now goes underneath the road, yes, they go over there. That's why we're kind of suggesting that it goes well, have it go

4831
05:53:07,820 --> 05:53:09,680
Naturally flow to the east

4832
05:53:09,680 --> 05:53:15,080
So they do something for drain engines. They should send it this way and then run off that

4833
05:53:15,080 --> 05:53:17,520
And then it goes on

4834
05:53:18,840 --> 05:53:23,240
That's what I guess and they're doing as well to get up to these giant

4835
05:53:23,720 --> 05:53:30,480
That's what we suggested. That's what I said. That's what I'm meaning. It seems like they would do in there with a

4836
05:53:31,100 --> 05:53:34,440
trail next to it. Yeah, but they were saying

4837
05:53:34,440 --> 05:53:39,080
This is all concrete here. There's sidewalks all the way along here, so

4838
05:53:39,080 --> 05:53:44,780
There is a name this side. So never there's not yeah, yeah, and there will never be

4839
05:53:45,400 --> 05:53:47,180
These are all gonna go nowhere. I mean

4840
05:53:47,980 --> 05:53:52,160
Well, this is this is a sure this is the giant trail here. That's on that true

4841
05:53:52,160 --> 05:53:55,920
This is where the gentleman was mentioning right here on the actual

4842
05:53:57,970 --> 05:54:03,610
asphalt and concrete or high cost of maintenance, but bears on the city.

4843
05:54:04,130 --> 05:54:05,810
If that's what we want, that's fine.

4844
05:54:08,620 --> 05:54:12,960
I think that the other ones are just as good as the maintenance on them.

4845
05:54:14,080 --> 05:54:17,560
I've watched the line finds into so well.

4846
05:54:18,620 --> 05:54:21,240
The wings that come up from the line finds.

4847
05:54:22,800 --> 05:54:25,360
I don't have any weeds in my line of funds.

4848
05:54:25,500 --> 05:54:26,460
I've been here eight years now.

4849
05:54:27,200 --> 05:54:28,660
But it was built by Broken Arrow.

4850
05:54:28,860 --> 05:54:31,000
And you have to have certain thickness, certain width.

4851
05:54:31,020 --> 05:54:31,580
And it has to keep.

4852
05:54:32,260 --> 05:54:33,340
What about horses?

4853
05:54:33,600 --> 05:54:36,100
Because the horses can't go on the asphalt can they?

4854
05:54:36,420 --> 05:54:36,600
No.

4855
05:54:37,280 --> 05:54:38,700
It's not safe, right?

4856
05:54:40,140 --> 05:54:43,560
Well, across the street you have that trail that you said,

4857
05:54:43,680 --> 05:54:44,980
in the line of funds, right?

4858
05:54:45,020 --> 05:54:45,900
I did ride on the road.

4859
05:54:46,040 --> 05:54:47,080
I don't know if it was a long time.

4860
05:54:48,360 --> 05:54:50,520
We just heard a lot of complaints on Facebook about

4861
05:54:50,520 --> 05:54:53,680
but don't make our trails asphalt make them nice.

4862
05:54:53,740 --> 05:54:55,820
I don't know if you've seen, yeah, if there's been comments about them.

4863
05:54:55,900 --> 05:55:02,340
Yeah, so I, it's on this world, okay, maintaining them, that would be the only, I prefer not to

4864
05:55:02,340 --> 05:55:10,400
concrete, but if the asphalt, just sinking, is this just in front of the church or behind it?

4865
05:55:10,960 --> 05:55:11,160
Both.

4866
05:55:11,580 --> 05:55:14,440
Oh, behind makes no sense because it goes to nowhere.

4867
05:55:14,640 --> 05:55:15,140
Yeah, the night.

4868
05:55:15,560 --> 05:55:19,080
We guys, these guys aren't going to build one on their residential bit side, I'll come

4869
05:55:19,080 --> 05:55:22,700
the back so that's going to go all on out. So they're going to put one just just their

4870
05:55:22,700 --> 05:55:27,920
property not in the bullet. Yeah, not probably not. So that's why making that

4871
05:55:27,920 --> 05:55:30,740
natural because we're like we're going to continue. Yeah, I know it's not there. So that's just going

4872
05:55:30,740 --> 05:55:34,900
to be this like we're we'll continue a natural show if we have to sidewalk all that

4873
05:55:35,860 --> 05:55:40,600
that's wow. Just trying to right then asphalt which would, you know,

4874
05:55:40,800 --> 05:55:43,920
automatically would that be better, you know, line finds you think would be

4875
05:55:44,880 --> 05:55:50,240
I don't know on the back. Can we have one different like line lines on the back and ask all on the front?

4876
05:55:51,840 --> 05:55:55,160
I thought I had a lot of me this costume. Are they still putting a gate to the back?

4877
05:56:00,980 --> 05:56:08,320
You could tear out one. I think that's the whole reason why it's a sound cost of just a gate.

4878
05:56:08,320 --> 05:56:11,520
Any kind of cross law because you're going to have to keep coming on.

4879
05:56:11,520 --> 05:56:12,380
If they do that.

4880
05:56:12,480 --> 05:56:14,120
No, I don't want to put a cross law.

4881
05:56:14,120 --> 05:56:15,420
These residents want to always feel it.

4882
05:56:15,780 --> 05:56:18,060
So there's nothing there to, yeah.

4883
05:56:18,120 --> 05:56:18,920
Without as a connector.

4884
05:56:19,220 --> 05:56:23,780
So that's why I figured that since we're going to have some commercial businesses probably

4885
05:56:24,940 --> 05:56:26,660
buy the stuff that isn't right.

4886
05:56:27,280 --> 05:56:28,340
Down the back end.

4887
05:56:30,320 --> 05:56:31,580
Because this is on the here.

4888
05:56:31,720 --> 05:56:33,880
That's zone commercial neighborhood right there.

4889
05:56:34,300 --> 05:56:35,960
The church is here.

4890
05:56:36,120 --> 05:56:37,980
This is our second one that would have to go.

4891
05:56:37,980 --> 05:56:42,900
Yeah, but we think since we just need to get a grant to get some funding to pay for

4892
05:56:42,900 --> 05:56:46,140
The walkway there on both sides of that mean

4893
05:56:46,140 --> 05:56:49,760
But if the church is going to take care of the back end of it only a second

4894
05:56:49,760 --> 05:56:53,220
Why not? Yeah, it's less money. We have to fork out later

4895
05:56:53,220 --> 05:56:57,040
Right. No, I'm saying don't have the sidewalk because we're not

4896
05:56:57,040 --> 05:56:59,980
If we to continue sidewalk on that area that's going to cost us

4897
05:56:59,980 --> 05:57:04,380
I never told them sidewalk yeah, no they're saying

4898
05:57:04,380 --> 05:57:08,340
Yeah, we're just we're just discussing which is better asphalt or

4899
05:57:10,200 --> 05:57:11,860
When it comes up I'm gonna

4900
05:57:20,140 --> 05:57:22,700
Yeah, we're just gonna have to hire some to plow it

4901
05:57:29,810 --> 05:57:30,450
Anything else

4902
05:57:43,270 --> 05:57:43,830
All

4903
05:57:49,840 --> 05:57:53,400
the details on that, but what I tried to do at

4904
05:58:06,270 --> 05:58:09,530
our legal and what I've done is

4905
05:58:09,530 --> 05:58:18,730
have laid on a few of those like Rob's cost for the last couple of months we haven't

4906
05:58:18,730 --> 05:58:19,650
got that yet.

4907
05:58:34,860 --> 05:58:35,340
Let's trust

4908
05:58:39,500 --> 05:58:47,090
consultants that has a fixed cost, so you have to look at my equation as you

4909
05:58:47,090 --> 05:58:50,070
under staff we got Jamie

4910
05:58:59,640 --> 05:59:01,740
7000 actually

4911
05:59:28,490 --> 05:59:29,490
what we have for

4912
05:59:32,950 --> 05:59:34,130
sales the

4913
05:59:37,300 --> 05:59:37,860
sales for

4914
05:59:37,860 --> 05:59:40,280
2000 and 24 would be or

4915
05:59:42,520 --> 05:59:46,800
565,000 and our property tax is for

4916
05:59:56,330 --> 05:59:58,910
So that doesn't leave us too much.

4917
05:59:59,610 --> 05:59:59,870
Right.

4918
06:00:00,660 --> 06:00:09,560
So we just need to figure out how to decrease our costs. And it has to go across the board. We have to look at everything.

4919
06:00:11,600 --> 06:00:22,280
But we need to be creative on our shares. If that means maybe potentially going into an agreement with Urna. And a Marshall,

4920
06:00:27,960 --> 06:00:31,120
Mr. Skiz with Urna, I mean, grants bill are

4921
06:00:35,530 --> 06:00:35,990
policing.

4922
06:00:41,050 --> 06:00:46,010
It's over 50% increase from this year's next.

4923
06:00:46,870 --> 06:00:48,690
Yeah, I do.

4924
06:00:54,600 --> 06:00:55,060
There's around

4925
06:01:03,380 --> 06:01:04,220
50,000.

4926
06:01:27,510 --> 06:01:28,530
What we do.

4927
06:01:33,090 --> 06:01:36,450
Okay. That's my soap box. Is it

4928
06:01:36,450 --> 06:01:42,110
got soil? No, just take a look at it. If you got some times in the next few days you

4929
06:01:42,110 --> 06:01:45,510
got questions, let me know. Okay. See,

4930
06:01:49,560 --> 06:01:51,460
I'm trying to get back to something

4931
06:02:17,090 --> 06:02:17,870
that we could

4932
06:02:17,870 --> 06:02:25,130
potentially envision as a city hall so okay listen

4933
06:02:32,430 --> 06:02:34,830
on that twice because

4934
06:02:38,480 --> 06:02:40,060
he was twice

4935
06:02:40,060 --> 06:02:47,120
well I don't think I'm too I don't know if

4936
06:02:49,160 --> 06:02:52,620
you get a chance to talk to or to find out how they come

4937
06:02:52,620 --> 06:02:53,800
up with their equations.

4938
06:02:57,760 --> 06:03:04,310
Item number 12 is a adjournment. I mean I'd rather public.

4939
06:03:04,870 --> 06:03:06,730
Yep, they're marked, glad, finally.

4940
06:03:09,210 --> 06:03:10,650
At 1203 clean,

4941
06:03:12,890 --> 06:03:16,220
I think I'd be okay with going on.

4942
06:03:16,320 --> 06:03:17,360
Alright, you're filling up too?

4943
06:03:18,020 --> 06:03:18,900
Yep, now be good.

4944
06:03:19,100 --> 06:03:22,700
Do you want to get here a couple of minutes early and then we'll make sure we're on the

4945
06:03:22,700 --> 06:03:23,080
same page?

4946
06:03:23,780 --> 06:03:24,140
Yeah.

4947
06:03:24,540 --> 06:03:24,680
Okay.

4948
06:03:25,200 --> 06:03:27,120
Alright, about 845 or 830.

4949
06:03:29,330 --> 06:03:29,690
Okay.

4950
06:03:30,070 --> 06:03:30,770
I'll see you in the next one.