1 00:00:05,360 --> 00:00:13,720 Well, welcome everyone to Planning Commission. 2 00:00:09,000 --> 00:00:16,800 Let's have our pledge and then we will go about our uh 3 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:22,360 Yeah. Our next item. All right. 4 00:00:19,720 --> 00:00:28,080 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the 5 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:31,560 republic for which it stands, one nation under God, 6 00:00:29,240 --> 00:00:35,440 » indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. 7 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:42,120 » All right. Well, our first item of business before 8 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:45,680 we do our roll call is to welcome our new 9 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:49,560 member of our Planning Commission, Tony Matesi. 10 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:53,360 Matesi, okay. So, uh we need to do a swearing in, is that 11 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:57,720 right? >> Yes. Hi guys. Hopefully you can hear me 12 00:00:55,560 --> 00:01:03,120 okay. Hello Planning Commission. Um I'm here on behalf of the City 13 00:00:59,720 --> 00:01:06,320 Council and uh Mayor Hill to formally swear in Tony. So, I'm going to do this 14 00:01:04,879 --> 00:01:12,480 virtually. Um I was thinking I will pull up 15 00:01:09,840 --> 00:01:15,240 the oath. You all can hear me, right? Okay, great. Nothing like talking when 16 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:18,320 you nobody can hear you. Okay. So, here's 17 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:22,640 your oath of office, Tony. If you could raise your right hand and repeat after 18 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:26,720 me and I'll try to go slowly here. So, I, state your name. 19 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:30,720 » I, Tony Matesi, >> do solemnly swear or affirm 20 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:38,840 » do solemnly swear or affirm >> that I will support the Constitution 21 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:42,560 » that I will support the Constitution >> and laws of the United States 22 00:01:40,880 --> 00:01:45,320 » and laws of the United States >> and state of Washington 23 00:01:44,200 --> 00:01:48,360 » state of Washington >> and the ordinances of the City of Lake 24 00:01:47,320 --> 00:01:50,840 Stevens >> and the ordinances of the City of Lake 25 00:01:49,960 --> 00:01:54,040 Stevens >> and that I will faithfully and 26 00:01:52,760 --> 00:01:56,360 impartially >> and that I will faithfully and 27 00:01:55,200 --> 00:02:00,760 impartially >> perform and discharge the duties of 28 00:01:58,680 --> 00:02:04,000 planning commission member >> perform and discharge the duties of 29 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:06,400 planning commission member >> according to the law 30 00:02:05,440 --> 00:02:09,119 » according to the law >> and to the best of my ability and 31 00:02:08,039 --> 00:02:11,360 understanding. >> to the best of my ability and 32 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:16,160 understanding. >> Awesome. Congratulations, Tony. You are 33 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,160 official. 34 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:20,160 » Thank you. >> Welcome. 35 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:23,959 » All right, we're shaking hands. All right. 36 00:02:22,791 --> 00:02:28,160 » [laughter] >> Have a great meeting, everyone. 37 00:02:25,760 --> 00:02:28,160 » Thank you. 38 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:33,400 Great. Well, 39 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:38,440 um I had the pleasure to be part of the uh 40 00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:41,959 the interviewing committee for uh Tony and 41 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:46,720 the other candidates and um uh I'm I'm really looking forward to 42 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:49,440 having Tony uh and and and your opinion uh 43 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:52,880 and your uh and your input on what we'll be discussing. 44 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:56,400 Would it be appropriate to introduce yourself to everyone? 45 00:02:54,720 --> 00:03:00,800 » Yeah. Uh Tony Motesy, I've been living in Lake 46 00:02:58,959 --> 00:03:03,760 Stevens for 6 years 47 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:06,080 and uh was 48 00:03:04,760 --> 00:03:09,440 planning on it just being a starter area, but 49 00:03:07,680 --> 00:03:13,959 my wife and I have fallen in love and don't plan on leaving anytime soon or 50 00:03:11,640 --> 00:03:16,440 ever, possibly. And uh yeah, I've just really been wanting to 51 00:03:15,360 --> 00:03:20,080 get more and more in part of the community. 52 00:03:17,519 --> 00:03:24,840 And so, that was part of my goals for the past year and a half, 53 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:27,720 joined Rotary and then that has led to applying for this position and joining 54 00:03:26,959 --> 00:03:33,280 the commission. >> Awesome. Well, great. 55 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:36,880 Um thank you. We will uh go on with the roll call. So, Janice Huckford? 56 00:03:35,959 --> 00:03:38,519 » Here. >> Tony Motesy? 57 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,080 » Here. >> Jennifer Davis? 58 00:03:39,280 --> 00:03:45,040 » Here. >> And uh 59 00:03:42,959 --> 00:03:47,287 my brain is >> Mike Dorr. 60 00:03:45,519 --> 00:03:49,800 » Mike Dorr. >> [laughter] 61 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:56,200 » Uh and uh we have Amy Liledahlsky and 62 00:03:53,160 --> 00:04:01,240 Connor Davis uh are uh out today asked to be excused. Okay, 63 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:02,640 if we can have motion to excuse them. >> So moved. 64 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,360 » Second. >> I'll second. 65 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:06,880 » Okay. And all in favor? 66 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:10,160 » I. >> Any opposed? 67 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:14,040 » That was Janice that seconded. Thank you. Sorry. Now that we have 68 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,760 Jennifer back, I'm not the only female on the 69 00:04:14,797 --> 00:04:21,160 » [laughter] >> Yeah, I I think 70 00:04:17,359 --> 00:04:24,560 Connor is enjoying his summer too much. As a teacher, I follow him on Facebook 71 00:04:23,280 --> 00:04:27,200 and I see all the places that he's going. 72 00:04:25,932 --> 00:04:32,560 » [laughter] >> Great. So, we have 73 00:04:29,640 --> 00:04:35,840 any Is there anyone online? Okay. 74 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:42,360 We have nobody in the room. So we have no guest business. 75 00:04:38,400 --> 00:04:46,880 We have let's let's have Has anyone Has everyone had a chance to review the 76 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:51,560 minutes from our last meeting? And does anyone have any comments? 77 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:57,120 And if not, we can take a motion to approve the 78 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,120 minutes. 79 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:01,680 » I move that we approve the minutes as written. 80 00:05:01,919 --> 00:05:05,560 » We have a second. >> I'll second. 81 00:05:04,120 --> 00:05:08,000 » Jennifer Davis second. >> Okay. 82 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:11,000 Okay. So to approve minutes, all in favor? 83 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:13,919 » I. >> I. 84 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:19,280 » Any opposed? Great. So we have as our discussion item 85 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:24,360 tonight our main discussion item tonight, we 86 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:28,680 have the public engagement plan and that will be presented by 87 00:05:26,320 --> 00:05:32,400 staff. Mr. 88 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:36,840 » Well, good evening Planning Commission. Christie Schmidt. This evening with 89 00:05:34,280 --> 00:05:42,800 great pleasure we have an intern with us for the summer of 2026, Alicia McPhee. 90 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:46,000 She's been helping us get some projects that have been on the table kind of out 91 00:05:44,280 --> 00:05:51,200 the door that have been sitting back on our long-range program. And one of them 92 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:55,000 is the draft public engagement guide. So, as part of her internship here at 93 00:05:53,240 --> 00:06:00,400 City of Lake Stevens, part of it is giving a presentation. And so, tonight 94 00:05:57,840 --> 00:06:04,200 you are her assignment in presenting the public engagement plan. 95 00:06:02,280 --> 00:06:08,320 So, with that, I'm going to turn it over to Alicia to make the presentation on 96 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:14,200 the work that she's done on this project. 97 00:06:11,000 --> 00:06:20,000 » Perfect. Well, yes, hello. I am the planning and community development 98 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:25,800 intern this summer. And one of the main projects I've been working on so far has 99 00:06:22,800 --> 00:06:31,200 been updating and reformatting the public engagement guide draft. And so, 100 00:06:28,840 --> 00:06:37,560 today I'm going to be walking you through some of the key changes that 101 00:06:33,320 --> 00:06:41,080 we've made and gather feedback on this updated draft. 102 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:51,960 And so, first with some background, the draft was created and presented to the 103 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:57,320 Planning Commission in 2025. But then, the guide was placed on hold due to 104 00:06:54,880 --> 00:07:03,680 shifting priorities to long-range planning. And so, now since they have 105 00:07:01,120 --> 00:07:09,480 some more bandwidth from hiring an intern, we are able to revisit this 106 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:15,840 project again. And I have been able to spend some time reformatting, editing, 107 00:07:12,360 --> 00:07:21,320 and expanding it to a complete draft version. 108 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:28,320 And so, one of the main goals of the public engagement guide is to provide 109 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:33,680 staff with a one-stop resource to use for public engagement. And this guide 110 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:39,560 includes multiple different tools, methods, and guidance for all different 111 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:46,120 levels of engagement. And the guide is designed to help staff communicate 112 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:51,680 projects early on, gather input, and find solutions for engagement setbacks. 113 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:58,560 And all of this supports the city's mission of providing a safe, desirable 114 00:07:55,280 --> 00:08:04,200 community with open communication and public service. 115 00:08:01,760 --> 00:08:09,760 And so, I'm going to be briefly going over some of the key updates with this 116 00:08:06,760 --> 00:08:14,360 table. All the ones are on the left are the completely new additions to the 117 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:19,880 draft. And then, the ones on the right are things that I've updated, but were 118 00:08:16,760 --> 00:08:26,760 in the previous draft already. And so, starting with the new level of 119 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:33,240 public participation section on page three. This provides context for the new 120 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:39,599 flowchart and graphic that are on the following pages three and four. And all 121 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:45,720 of those support the updated and revised public participation spectrum table, 122 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:52,480 which is on page five. And then, there is the new section 123 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:58,760 beneath the ground rules for collective creativity figure, which is on page 10. 124 00:08:56,040 --> 00:09:05,600 And that just provides context and guidance. And there's also some new 125 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:12,240 resources, templates for engagement materials, and images throughout the 126 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:18,560 document. As well as a fully updated engagement timeline sample in the 127 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:23,920 appendix on page 22, and reformatting improvements across the 128 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:29,000 entire document. And so, now I'll be going over some of 129 00:09:26,560 --> 00:09:35,800 the additions in a little more detail starting with the new level of public 130 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:41,160 participation section. And this section introduces the idea of determining the 131 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:46,520 appropriate level of public participation based on the intended role 132 00:09:44,720 --> 00:09:52,400 of the public. And it includes guiding questions to 133 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:59,680 help staff evaluate their project and identify the right level to use. 134 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:05,240 And it includes it introduces the public participation spectrum framework, which 135 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:11,200 is what our document uses. And that framework has identified five levels of 136 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:16,360 participation. And those include informing the public to understand 137 00:10:13,440 --> 00:10:21,840 issues, options, and solutions. Consulting the public by gathering 138 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:25,840 feedback. Involving the public to ensure public concerns are considered 139 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:32,640 throughout the process. Uh collaborating with the public by 140 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:39,320 actively involving them in every step and decision. And empowering the public 141 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:45,160 by placing the final decision with them. And at the bottom right of this slide is 142 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:51,760 the new public participation relationship visual that illustrates how 143 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:56,360 communication flows between the city and the public at each different level. 144 00:10:56,400 --> 00:11:05,760 And next is the new flowchart that goes along with the public participation 145 00:11:02,560 --> 00:11:10,680 spectrum framework. And this flowchart is used to determine the right level of 146 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:17,600 public participation. And it is intended to be simple, clear, 147 00:11:14,520 --> 00:11:24,520 and a quick tool to help the staff identify which level of participation 148 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:29,600 fits their specific project. And it walks the staff through 149 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:34,520 a couple yes or no questions with each question building on top of the other 150 00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:40,200 and reflects the increasing public participation. And so by answering each 151 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:47,640 question, the staff can identify where their project realistically fits. 152 00:11:44,560 --> 00:11:53,920 Next, we are looking at the updated and expanded public participation spectrum 153 00:11:50,600 --> 00:12:00,560 table. And this table now includes the goals, public promise, examples, 154 00:11:57,680 --> 00:12:06,640 strengths, and challenges. And if the staff doesn't want to use the 155 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:13,680 flowchart from the previous slide, they can still identify which level to 156 00:12:10,880 --> 00:12:19,120 that would match their project by reading through the row of goals to 157 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:24,040 determine which one is appropriate. But then, they can also use the examples, 158 00:12:21,720 --> 00:12:29,400 strengths, and challenges rows when planning engagement techniques. And the 159 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:34,880 public participation spectrum framework is intended to help 160 00:12:32,520 --> 00:12:42,960 reduce overengagement and underengagement for these projects. 161 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:49,480 And now looking at another addition is the section beneath the ground rules for 162 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:55,560 collective creativity. This new portion adds context for the ground rules and 163 00:12:52,560 --> 00:13:02,200 includes practical tips that can improve collaboration when working in groups. 164 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:09,040 And the original 2025 version only presented this visual. And so, by adding 165 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:14,400 these these boxes, it provides more information on what each element means 166 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:18,280 and makes this visual much more beneficial for the reader. 167 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:27,320 And so, some of the next steps that we are hoping to 168 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:33,400 work through is gathering feedback and edits tonight and then inputting those 169 00:13:30,280 --> 00:13:39,720 into the guide and finalizing it and then hopefully presenting this guide to 170 00:13:36,560 --> 00:13:44,480 the city council later this month or possibly in early September. I do 171 00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:48,880 believe it's going to be later this month. 172 00:13:45,960 --> 00:13:55,520 And for the feedback, we have some questions that we are wanting to ask 173 00:13:51,320 --> 00:14:02,600 you, which is is this document easy to use and understand? What are some 174 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:08,520 additional ideas, resources, templates, concepts for public engagement or tools 175 00:14:05,560 --> 00:14:14,240 that could be beneficial and practical to implement? Are there parts of this 176 00:14:11,680 --> 00:14:18,280 plan that feel too detailed or not detailed enough? 177 00:14:16,040 --> 00:14:25,360 Are there any additional city stakeholders that can be added to the 178 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:33,960 list in the appendix in section A4? And any other changes that you guys would 179 00:14:28,880 --> 00:14:33,960 think would be beneficial for the guide? 180 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:42,080 And that is all. >> Excellent. Could you leave those 181 00:14:39,240 --> 00:14:47,520 questions up so that we can give you that feedback? So, 182 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:51,680 who would like to go first and provide their feedback on on these questions? 183 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:58,680 » I had a specific comment. It had to do with the response 184 00:14:56,280 --> 00:15:01,360 Well, first of all, globally, I loved it. It's great. It's something we've 185 00:14:59,800 --> 00:15:06,440 been talking about for feels like decades. 186 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:10,400 And I really appreciated the sort of algorithmic worksheet for staff to use. 187 00:15:08,960 --> 00:15:14,760 I think that that's really transparent for the public to see how these 188 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:17,880 decisions are made, that it's not by whim. It's there's an actual 189 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:21,200 which I think is [clears throat] great. Um 190 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:25,000 the this topic of response summaries I thought was so interesting because one 191 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:29,400 of the hurdles I think that we see a lot on planning commission is people the 192 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:34,320 public comes they give comment and then the we sort of evaluate we give our 193 00:15:32,280 --> 00:15:37,920 recommendation council makes their decision and then members of the public 194 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:41,040 are like well it didn't go the way I thought it should go so what's even the 195 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:44,080 point of me participating it's shouting into the void you know there's a lot of 196 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:47,920 I think that can be a barrier to public participation so I was thinking about 197 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:51,840 um that's wonderful I I like that as a 198 00:15:49,720 --> 00:15:55,520 concept to help address that idea of 199 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:59,480 that the public has sometimes that their participation is pro forma and it's sort 200 00:15:57,800 --> 00:16:07,920 of to check a box and it's not really being evaluated so my my question is um 201 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:11,560 is there a way to and I don't know I'm so backwards with AI but is there a 202 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:14,680 way that AI could be leveraged to somehow 203 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:20,160 summarize the deliberative processes that happen um 204 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:24,839 cuz I know it'd be really staff heavy to have it have you have anyone actually 205 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:28,160 summarizing all the processes but there'd be it'd be wonderful if some a 206 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:32,640 member of the public who who participated in whether it be in a 207 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:35,880 workshop or in public comment could say wait whatever happened with that and 208 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:38,600 what what did council say about that and what did the planning commission end up 209 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:42,000 doing with our our input um 210 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:45,160 so that was kind of what I was thinking I think the response summaries are a 211 00:16:43,760 --> 00:16:50,480 great idea and I was just trying to think of a way that 212 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:55,120 to capture sort of the why that that so that people feel like their 213 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:59,200 participation was genuinely evaluated and plugged into the process that's 214 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,600 that's my comment on that >> definitely 215 00:16:59,960 --> 00:17:05,360 » oh it's uh commissioner Jennifer Davis sorry speaking of AI we're supposed to 216 00:17:02,880 --> 00:17:08,640 say our names before we speak >> training up 217 00:17:06,560 --> 00:17:12,640 » yeah yeah >> that's a good call 218 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:18,959 » I know that's definitely something that I hadn't considered but can look into 219 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:23,199 somehow adding that process in. >> Direction. Yes. 220 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:28,640 » Mhm. >> Um this is Commissioner Duer. 221 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:31,720 I really appreciate you know where this is going and some of the changes that 222 00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:36,160 are here and I find the you know the graphics and workflow models to be very 223 00:17:34,080 --> 00:17:39,320 helpful. Um you know I think about how I might apply something like this where I 224 00:17:37,360 --> 00:17:43,040 work and I can see some things that I might borrow 225 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:47,880 in here. So that's you know thank you very much for that. Uh especially 226 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:50,120 especially some of the discussions about um 227 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:53,760 kind of that civility and communications. Um all too often I've 228 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:57,640 seen um things get hostile fast and usually that 229 00:17:55,600 --> 00:18:01,960 comes from a a position of just not being well informed on the way in so it 230 00:17:59,720 --> 00:18:06,360 manifests itself in the form of fear and anger. 231 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:10,280 Um so hopefully that helps uh with that. I think um 232 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:13,840 uh if I had kind of one ask it's actually two. One just that we go 233 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:17,240 through and make sure that it everything in here is a may consider instead of 234 00:18:15,760 --> 00:18:20,560 will consider so that there's that scalable 235 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:24,920 flexibility. Mhm. And that we don't back ourselves into a 236 00:18:22,520 --> 00:18:28,800 into a may will shall problem. You know. Um 237 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:33,840 and um I think the other piece you know as I as I look at this is does does city 238 00:18:31,560 --> 00:18:37,240 of Lake Stevens have like a PIO office or is it 239 00:18:35,120 --> 00:18:42,440 sort of? Yeah so that so that there can be 240 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:45,680 uh along with these with these outreach whether it's a planning thing public 241 00:18:44,440 --> 00:18:51,120 works thing. Just kind of that constant repetition 242 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:56,160 whether that's a um a YouTube short or you know a TikTok for 243 00:18:53,320 --> 00:19:01,160 the kids or whatever it is. Um um what's going on not you know not just 244 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:05,720 a traditional email blast or something like that but 245 00:19:03,360 --> 00:19:09,720 you know a a 30 second spot you know drone footage of Lake Stevens saying 246 00:19:07,280 --> 00:19:13,200 like hey are you interested in this area you know don't forget we're soliciting 247 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:15,488 feedback about X, Y, or Z. >> Mhm. [clears throat] 248 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:21,560 » I will add we did we have a split position. 249 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:33,600 So, we do have a split position. That's our grant writer communications person. 250 00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:37,320 And so, we did run this document by our communications person and they were you 251 00:19:35,320 --> 00:19:41,040 know, generally supportive of it. Had a few tweaks and edits. 252 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:47,120 But I I think your suggestion that we could go one step further and see how we 253 00:19:43,680 --> 00:19:53,320 include them such as news flashes on our website. We do use Well, in the past we 254 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:57,600 had a tool to do our projects on our website. I think that 255 00:19:54,960 --> 00:20:03,800 tool is going to be changing. But I I hear your thoughts that we need to be 256 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:08,280 looking at all of our opportunities and we do try to push out our projects 257 00:20:06,440 --> 00:20:11,400 through social media at least sort of an initial 258 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:16,200 stabs. So, I think that that's probably a great addition that we're covering the 259 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:18,200 our bases on where we're distributing information. 260 00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:22,480 » Yeah, and I think one of the reasons I bring up like a PIO 261 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:27,320 or or graphics person or something like that is and again, a trap that I fall 262 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:32,000 into is I can communicate technical items very well, but my graphical 263 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:37,640 ability is zero and a lot of people respond well to that. So, having 264 00:20:34,320 --> 00:20:41,000 somebody who whose profession is that who can take the 265 00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:45,680 the technical and make it so that the whole community can understand it in in 266 00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:48,880 something simple, flashy, and you know, uh with a little bit of music behind it, 267 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:51,320 you know, that that I think will go a long way. 268 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:59,680 » What we do plan to do next and if you have further ideas after we answer these 269 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:03,120 questions and if you go out to your businesses and if you have other ideas, 270 00:21:01,440 --> 00:21:07,840 our goal is to keep this a living document so it doesn't die and so we can 271 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:13,640 update it with technology just like your AI suggestion and graphics. And then in 272 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:19,080 addition after our meeting here, we plan to go send this out to our department 273 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:24,600 heads and staff, get additional feedback based on your comments, and then present 274 00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:29,160 to city council on what how we intend to use this document. So we could use it in 275 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:34,000 the comp plan update for 2026 as an example. 276 00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:38,360 That's it. I'll turn it back to Alicia. >> I do have some feedback. This is 277 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:44,640 Commissioner Morton. Um so overall I think it's this is great. I I like that 278 00:21:41,680 --> 00:21:47,280 the majority of the document is the templates. I think that's the most 279 00:21:46,040 --> 00:21:50,400 valuable part of this. Um 280 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:55,480 and I do but in the body I do have a couple 281 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:59,640 things I'd would like to suggest. Um one one of the main 282 00:21:59,800 --> 00:22:06,120 things one of the main misconceptions that I think a lot of people have in the 283 00:22:04,840 --> 00:22:09,440 like is um 284 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:12,200 the belief that the the city has dictatorial powers 285 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:14,720 uh and that 286 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:21,720 um when we present a plan or or proposal 287 00:22:19,480 --> 00:22:26,680 that it is or or that it's it's it's that's what we're 288 00:22:25,280 --> 00:22:30,880 dictating or actually maybe instead 289 00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:34,520 is people 290 00:22:32,320 --> 00:22:39,680 are afraid that a plan becomes something that's be required when it's when 291 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:45,440 they're already grandfathered in. Or uh if there people complain that something 292 00:22:43,240 --> 00:22:48,720 is happening in the city and the city doesn't have power to stop it like 293 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:52,840 they see apartments going up but they don't want to see apartments going up. 294 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:56,440 Why doesn't the city stop that? Well we don't have the legal authority to sit 295 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:59,680 to stop it, right? So I would 296 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:05,040 I would say uh may in the section where you have tools 297 00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:10,240 and methods, I would say uh do dispel misconceptions. 298 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:15,120 Um and in the page before, uh there's the 299 00:23:12,920 --> 00:23:19,960 this the civility, inquiry, and creativity. Uh I would add to the 300 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:22,120 creativity section, uh look for win-win solutions. 301 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:29,000 Uh that's from my seven habits uh 302 00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:33,360 experience. Um so that that would be my my suggestions 303 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:36,160 for the body. Um also 304 00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:41,000 when it comes to the the the templates are are really useful, but in addition 305 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:44,920 to the templates in here, it would be nice to have, and you probably already 306 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:49,640 have this, a library of previous engagements. So like for 307 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:52,480 example, uh when the the comp plan update, there's public engagement for 308 00:23:51,400 --> 00:23:57,360 that. Well, it would be nice to be able to 309 00:23:54,680 --> 00:24:01,400 say, "Okay, what's uh what did we do the last time we did public engagement for a 310 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:06,256 comp plan update?" I just want to take that, tweak it, 311 00:24:04,360 --> 00:24:09,480 and then uh and then boom, [clears throat] it's easy done 312 00:24:07,960 --> 00:24:14,360 uh rather than I mean, the worksheet here is good, and 313 00:24:11,800 --> 00:24:18,080 we have and it should be uh followed, but uh for things that are similar to 314 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:23,480 what's been done in the past, it's probably even easier to go and uh 315 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:27,640 go pick out that that engagement plan that engagement uh 316 00:24:25,120 --> 00:24:34,000 library or that engagement process from the library and just modify it. 317 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:39,720 Um I like that there's uh uh uh these the the formulas and the and 318 00:24:37,680 --> 00:24:42,992 the flowcharts. Uh engineers love this stuff. Uh so [laughter] 319 00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:50,080 um that helps a lot, I I think. It helps 320 00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:52,960 objectify things that are subjective. Um 321 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:58,400 and uh let me see. I do questions. Easy to 322 00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:58,400 understand, yes. 323 00:24:58,480 --> 00:25:05,200 The the the the stakeholders, I think that that's 324 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:07,840 very comprehensive and I think I don't have any suggestions for that. 325 00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:11,400 Um Uh 326 00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:14,800 yeah, that's feedback I have. >> Perfect, thank you. I only have one 327 00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:19,560 quick addition. I would add in stakeholders under housing partners and 328 00:25:17,440 --> 00:25:23,800 agencies, the Association of Washington Cities. 329 00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:29,320 In our dialogue, we often refer to what cities surrounding us are doing, 330 00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:33,840 uh what cities that are um uh perhaps 331 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:37,880 hesitating on some of the legislation and the Association of Washington Cities 332 00:25:35,600 --> 00:25:44,000 has also also been um very helpful in finding that. 333 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:50,600 Um to counter balance a couple of my colleagues, AI is not um a friend when 334 00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:58,160 it comes to being a business owner in Lake Stevens or anywhere uh right now 335 00:25:53,680 --> 00:26:03,440 because it is the black hole of time and um if when you want a moving piece 336 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:08,400 of of work, if you get into an AI 337 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:13,280 circle, um you can count the rest of your day gone. So, not a fan. 338 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:17,400 Um that's why we have a panel because there's others that are um I think that 339 00:26:15,800 --> 00:26:21,920 it's putting people out of jobs and it's making my job so much harder. So, um 340 00:26:20,560 --> 00:26:26,040 those are just my two cents' worth. Otherwise, I think it's lovely. The idea 341 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:31,120 that you're using current photos will go a long way. The fact that we've used the 342 00:26:28,120 --> 00:26:36,800 same static photos for presentation after presentation um is 343 00:26:35,000 --> 00:26:40,960 noted. So, I like that we have some current stuff going on. 344 00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,960 » Thank you. 345 00:26:43,040 --> 00:26:48,960 » Don't have too much feedback to provide. Uh 346 00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:51,680 This is Tony Motsi. Uh I do find the document easy to 347 00:26:50,360 --> 00:26:55,600 understand. Um I definitely liked all the different 348 00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:59,800 charts. Uh, big fan of that. Uh, 349 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,960 and just the clarity. Uh. 350 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:09,440 I did not have any uh stakeholders to add. I tried looking through it multiple 351 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:13,040 times trying to find some and think you've covered everyone that I can think 352 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,040 of. 353 00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:20,480 » Perfect. >> Good. So, uh any other feedback? 354 00:27:19,280 --> 00:27:24,600 No? Right. Well, thank you very much. 355 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,600 » Thank you. 356 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:32,960 » All right. So, on to the next item. Um. 357 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:32,960 We have Let me scroll back up. 358 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:39,320 Okay. Uh, we are ready for commissioner's report. 359 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:42,760 That was our one discussion item. We do have the fine director's report which 360 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:46,360 has some content which is in the packet, but we'll let's go over to 361 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:49,200 commissioner's report first. Commissioner Huxford. 362 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:52,200 » Nothing today. Thank you. >> All right. Commissioner McMillan. Let's 363 00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:57,080 see. This is just so you know, this is an opportunity to bring up things that 364 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:59,760 are like not specifically on the agenda that are 365 00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:06,040 um uh germane to planning commission 366 00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,880 uh stuff, not like personal items. All right? 367 00:28:06,644 --> 00:28:10,160 » [laughter] >> Uh, 368 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:13,040 but anything like uh that that has germane to planning 369 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:15,760 commission stuff. You'll you'll you'll see examples, but do you have anything? 370 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:17,640 » Nothing at this time. >> Okay. 371 00:28:16,480 --> 00:28:20,080 Jennifer Davis. >> Nothing for me. 372 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:22,320 » Commissioner Dwight. >> I want to welcome our new commissioner. 373 00:28:21,720 --> 00:28:26,400 Um, I will say firsthand that there could be 374 00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:30,040 kind of a learning curve and if we ever start using like jargon or something, 375 00:28:27,960 --> 00:28:33,480 please please please like to slow us down. 376 00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:37,120 Uh, there's a lot of acronyms that get thrown around and it does take some time 377 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:39,960 to learn it all. Um, um. 378 00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:44,280 We're here as a resource. We're all We're all in it together. We look 379 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:44,280 forward to working with you. Thank you. 380 00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:47,320 » Um. 381 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:55,400 What are was I'm saying it's the uh What was the name of the document that 382 00:28:53,760 --> 00:28:59,920 the big document we had it's like it's the uh 383 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,920 the it's our 384 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:05,720 our has the city plans for all the different It's our 385 00:29:04,560 --> 00:29:08,280 » Our strategic plan? >> Our strategic plan or it's 386 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:11,240 » Our comprehensive plan? >> Uh 387 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:15,720 It's one we did like about a year and a half ago. 388 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:19,080 Uh where it has all of our plans and policies 389 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:23,800 uh that um 390 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:27,880 uh that document was is it was a really informative for me when we went 391 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:30,040 through it and I I'd encourage you go through it. 392 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,880 » It's the our comprehensive plan. >> Yeah, comprehensive. Yes. If you go 393 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,760 through the comprehensive plan fun reading 394 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:39,120 » But >> But it it is uh 395 00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:41,960 I'd encourage you to at least uh look at that document. 396 00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:44,240 » The comprehensive plan is kind of like uh 397 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:47,360 everything that we do everything that we do kind of like condensed down into one 398 00:29:46,320 --> 00:29:50,080 document. Uh 399 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:54,720 so I I encourage you to that we recently updated it and we're going to be 400 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:56,740 continuing to update it on forever. >> [laughter] 401 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:04,720 » Um So um my uh my feedback I've been 402 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:09,920 thinking a lot about the the the um I know we're this is 403 00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:16,320 about the the tree height the the setbacks for the 404 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:20,720 for the streams and and such. Uh I I've been thinking a lot about that 405 00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:25,960 and uh there's one item in there. I know I'm I 406 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:29,160 made my I I made a statement at the time. 407 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:34,400 Uh I'm about the um and it seems 408 00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:38,760 useless uh the the fences. 409 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:43,000 Is [snorts] my my question is the the split 410 00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:48,000 rail fences is that a state law? 411 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:53,240 Or is that something that we put in as a as kind of like a helper so that we can 412 00:30:50,200 --> 00:31:00,240 help remind the homeowner not to go beyond this or or what? 413 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:05,000 » Um it is not specifically a law. It's best practice to provide a physical 414 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:11,040 separation. And split rail fences have been widely 415 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:16,520 adopted because they allow for animals to continue to migrate in and out of 416 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:18,800 critical areas, but still create that physical 417 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:20,920 barrier. >> Okay. 418 00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:29,560 » Christy Schmidt, planning manager. To add on to Director Wright's comment, we 419 00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:34,400 do have a codified fencing and signage that is required in the code. So, the 420 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:39,160 type of split rail fence, that's actually outlined in our We have a 421 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:44,200 detail in our ads. So, that's where it comes from. 422 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:48,800 Other jurisdictions have different types of fencing, but the split rail is the 423 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:54,360 most common one cuz it's most affordable and as Russ mentioned, it does allow 424 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:58,880 animal migration and passage of animals. >> Yeah. 425 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:03,440 But not people. >> Well, 426 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:06,480 » Okay. Well, um I I Yeah, I 427 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:10,560 Let's I don't know if this is a appropriate 428 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:16,680 time to mention it, but I I would like to see if there's a way that we can 429 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:19,840 discuss even the way to make that uh a a may 430 00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:23,520 or to make it optional rather than 431 00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:27,160 required. Cuz 432 00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:33,200 it's from what we discussed earlier, it's not enforced anyway and 433 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:36,440 uh So, why even do it? 434 00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:39,560 So, um 435 00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:44,520 I don't know. It's It's I'm I'm far out in left field for this, 436 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:48,080 but uh it's just my my my opinion. I thought I would. 437 00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:51,920 » So, Planner Levitan will be bringing back the critical areas ordinance to the 438 00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:56,080 Planning Commission. I believe it's early September 439 00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:57,360 uh to you, so that may be an item of discussion 440 00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,200 » Yeah. >> within that topic. 441 00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:03,720 » Yeah, I would like to discuss that later. Uh 442 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:05,560 it's one of the appropriate times. So, 443 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:10,120 um that is all my comments. So, 444 00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:13,240 uh let's go on to Planning Director's 445 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:18,440 Report. >> Okay. Um you have the report um 446 00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:22,080 obviously in your packet, so I might just um highlight a couple of things and 447 00:33:20,320 --> 00:33:25,240 add on a couple of things. Um so, the the first big news that's not 448 00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:30,080 in here and it would really be part of our third quarter report is 449 00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:35,600 um two of our key staff people are leaving the agency, so our building 450 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:41,040 official um is retiring. So, we're all very excited for her to take that next 451 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:45,560 step in her life. And then our code enforcement officer has accepted a 452 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:49,280 position in another jurisdiction. So, we'll be recruiting for those those two 453 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:54,160 key positions, and I just bring that up cuz we try to do an introduction of who 454 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:58,960 we are at the beginning of the document just so um you know us and some of the 455 00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:03,960 roles that we do. Um otherwise, if we go to basically some 456 00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:09,399 of the permit statistics, this has been a really, really busy year 457 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:14,960 for us. We've had some really unex- well, some expected, some unexpected 458 00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:22,080 projects, a lot of school projects, and the sheer volume of school projects 459 00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:27,040 we're processing this year has taken We could have had another employee just 460 00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:32,040 dedicated or two just dedicated to to school projects. 461 00:34:28,879 --> 00:34:38,879 Um so, that's been a really big one. Um we've been working on a long-term 462 00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:43,800 migration of our paper records into digital format. And along with that, 463 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:51,520 we've been going through quite intensive disposition effort that Don has been 464 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:57,280 crucial in doing that. And so, we are going to be paper-free by the time we 465 00:34:54,679 --> 00:35:01,480 move to the new building except for archive materials that we have to 466 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:07,800 maintain, but otherwise we're either scanning, tossing. So, that has been a 467 00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:11,000 Herculean feat like cleaning out the stalls, right? 468 00:35:09,124 --> 00:35:14,920 » [laughter] >> Um 469 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:20,680 talked about our development review statistics. You have some photos in 470 00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:25,600 there of some of the new projects. And then just the statistics on our code 471 00:35:22,600 --> 00:35:31,400 enforcement. And hopefully you will all have seen our new gateway signs that we 472 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:37,440 put up continuing to try to do our beautification. And then we were able to 473 00:35:34,960 --> 00:35:42,120 work with other teams to get the artwork up for the 474 00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:47,120 um America 250 celebration. So, hopefully everyone appreciated the new 475 00:35:44,720 --> 00:35:54,080 banners as well as the other versions of banners. And then our civic capital 476 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:58,160 projects are going along very well. Um it's fun to watch the progress on the 477 00:35:55,760 --> 00:36:01,680 museum every day. Um and it's it's really cool. They're 478 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:05,800 getting ready to start going up with their third story. 479 00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:11,840 And I can say that we have a great first floor tenant. And we're getting close to 480 00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:16,720 having a second floor tenant. And then we have a contract now to have a 481 00:36:14,600 --> 00:36:21,600 consultant or contractor start the city hall construction. And so, we're looking 482 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:25,240 forward to that project starting and then 483 00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:29,360 be moving over there sometime um early 2027. 484 00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:35,800 So, that's just a a quick overview of our report. Otherwise, I don't have a 485 00:36:32,000 --> 00:36:40,760 lot of um new things to to add other than just the volume of work. It's been 486 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:43,000 a a busy That's been a busy summer for us. So, 487 00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:47,840 » I'm sure. Right. 488 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:53,240 Uh I do have one question uh on the the permit performance chart. 489 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:57,840 Um the average is very close to the limit and I'm wondering do you have an 490 00:36:55,520 --> 00:37:02,440 idea Could you in general what was the range 491 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:06,800 of those cuz uh it looks like probably a a good portion of these went 492 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:10,480 beyond the statutory deadline. I'm guessing. 493 00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:10,480 » Um 494 00:37:10,840 --> 00:37:17,440 I This represents I It's not in 495 00:37:16,160 --> 00:37:21,160 Well, and maybe Christie, you're going to need to help me cuz you did a lot of 496 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:26,800 the review of this. Um but I think the expanded report, I 497 00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:30,760 don't remember seeing projects that have gone 498 00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:33,480 beyond the statutory deadline or a handful. So, maybe you're 499 00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:38,360 » Very few. Excellent question. So, what we do to 500 00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:41,600 comply with 5290, when we have projects that go over two reviews, let's say 501 00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:48,080 four, we ask the applicant to provide a 5290 502 00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:52,160 waiver letter, which essentially waves us from the state statute. And the 503 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:56,720 reason why we do this and it's recommended by the state is because we 504 00:37:54,280 --> 00:38:00,960 do allow concurrent submittal of permits. So, what that looks like, 505 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:04,720 someone comes in for a subdivision, we'll allow them to submit a 506 00:38:02,200 --> 00:38:09,920 construction plan at the same time. So, that bolts all their permits up to four 507 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:15,120 permits traveling at the same time. Not all the permits that come in early 508 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:19,120 get issued with the first permit. So, as an example, the construction plan has to 509 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:23,400 hang there and wait there. So, that is why you'll see some permits 510 00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:28,120 that go over, but we're still not penalized for it. We did have a couple 511 00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:33,520 that did went over because we were short-staffed. We've been short-staffed, 512 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:37,280 so we did have some over the dates. We hope to improve our range next year. 513 00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:41,680 » Okay, good. Yeah. >> We do. It's a It's a in progress cuz now 514 00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:45,440 we have full staff, so we'd like to get back to where we were the year before. 515 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:47,400 » We had a staff. Now we don't. >> Yes, well, okay. 516 00:38:46,586 --> 00:38:50,440 » [laughter] >> We're going to work on it. HR is helping 517 00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:53,520 us. >> I I only mention this cuz a friend of 518 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:56,440 mine had 519 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:59,960 had a long their permit process took longer than 520 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:03,000 they were expecting. Just wanted to 521 00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:05,320 provide that feedback. >> Are you done? I don't want to interrupt. 522 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:10,480 » No, no, go ahead. Yeah, I'm good. >> Um if I may parlay off of that question, 523 00:39:07,600 --> 00:39:16,400 if there is a um hang-up during that process specific to something, I'll say 524 00:39:14,600 --> 00:39:19,120 the energy code. Does the city 525 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:22,560 um go out to 526 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:28,120 um maybe an outside entity, an authority in 527 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:34,240 that area, whatever it was something outside of the city, or is it up to the 528 00:39:30,720 --> 00:39:38,720 the petitioner, the the permit holder, to then prove to the city? 529 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:42,320 » It is up to the applicant. We provide review comments for compliance. They 530 00:39:40,600 --> 00:39:46,000 have a check sheet for their energy credits, and they're required to provide 531 00:39:44,680 --> 00:39:50,960 a certain level depending on their project, and so it's up to them to 532 00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:55,680 provide and select what items they would like with the building permit as example 533 00:39:53,120 --> 00:40:00,160 single-family home, whether they choose energy efficient water heater, whether 534 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:04,160 they have a solar panel, etc. There's multiple choices that they can pick, but 535 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:08,800 it is the burden of the applicant to design it correctly to meet code. 536 00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:16,120 » Understood, and asking for a friend. Just saying that um if there is a a 537 00:40:13,080 --> 00:40:20,240 process that is going through that the applicant holder has now proven, does 538 00:40:18,880 --> 00:40:27,520 that clear the way to the person that comes behind that applicant holder to um 539 00:40:24,160 --> 00:40:31,200 does the city learn from every permit because every every project is 540 00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:37,120 different, right? And so does the city then say, "Hey listen, this was verified 541 00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:39,960 that this was outside of the norm and and was proven to not needed to be in 542 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:42,400 that space?" >> Sure. 543 00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:45,920 » Will will they then convey that to the next person that comes into shorten that 544 00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:51,000 next person's delay? >> I would say yes, the answer is yes and 545 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:55,120 I'll give the example of a our tank. It's a storage facility for storm water 546 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:59,400 facility. At first they weren't permitted. We have allowed them. We have 547 00:40:57,240 --> 00:41:03,400 four or five in the city and now we do allow them with certain requirements. So 548 00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,520 you could take that same applicability to the building code also. 549 00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:08,320 » Okay. >> So yes. 550 00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:14,600 » But with the caveat they still have to prove the applicability to their 551 00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:19,240 project. And so it still has to come as part of the recommendation of their 552 00:41:16,240 --> 00:41:24,080 architect engineer specific to their site. Does the city need to vet 553 00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:28,680 the project as much if it's a new 554 00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:33,520 technology, a new technique? No, that's where we're learning but it's always up 555 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:39,000 to the applicant still to prove that is an acceptable means and measures to 556 00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:42,040 complete their project and we verify that through our review process. 557 00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:45,040 » Okay, that might be one of the things that could be communicated a little bit 558 00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:48,080 better. Um 559 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:51,760 to have something hung up when you know you're not the first has been a 560 00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:56,600 complaint that has come from my own household as well as people 561 00:41:54,600 --> 00:42:00,720 that I know that are in the same space. So um 562 00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:05,000 again uh I 563 00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:11,120 anything that that can be done to help communicate the process better 564 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:16,280 um in a moving target in a moving industry would be 565 00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:20,280 very much appreciated. >> We do try to be very direct and upfront 566 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:24,840 with our applicants and provide guidance. So, if there's some sort of 567 00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:31,320 issue, you can feel feel free to give me a call and we can talk about it. 568 00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:35,760 » Happy to do so. Thank you. Yeah. >> And with that, I think we are at the 569 00:42:33,560 --> 00:42:39,960 bottom of our agenda. Um 570 00:42:36,720 --> 00:42:39,960 do we want to adjourn? 571 00:42:40,280 --> 00:42:46,000 » I'd make a motion to adjourn. Yes. >> I'll second it. 572 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,080 And all in favor? 573 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:52,560 » I. >> Opposed. 574 00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:52,560 We are adjourned.