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had the moment of silence today.

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» Australia.

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» Oh no, no, no, no. Priscilla, Queen of

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the Desert. Madame Mayor, it is 606 and

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we are live.

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>> Good evening.

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Welcome everybody to the Tuesday, July

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28th, 2026 regular city commission

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meeting of Lakew Worth Beach. May I have

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the roll call, please? Mayor Betty Rash

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>> here.

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>> Vice Mayor Mimi May

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>> present.

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>> Commissioner Sarah Maliga

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>> present.

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>> Commissioner Christopher McVoy

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>> here. Been a long weekend.

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>> Commissioner Anthony Seg

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>> present.

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>> Thank you very much. Okay, Mr. Segridge

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will lead us in a moment of silence or

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something and uh Commissioner McCoy will

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lead the pledge.

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>> Think of a name.

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Just wanted to take a moment to reflect

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on the the things that make us a

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community versus the things that we

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disagree about. As we we go through this

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journey together, you know, we make a

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lot of tough decisions and we may not

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always agree, but we should always come

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together as a community and work towards

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the betterment of our city. Thank you.

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Are there any additions, deletions, or

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reordering? Mr. No, M Miss Ms. Malega.

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>> Yes, ma'am. Um, thank you. I would um

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like to ask my fellow colleagues for

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permission to read aloud um a poem

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written by our own Miss Cindy Anel to

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Chris Hannah. Yes.

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>> Um I had asked for permission and she

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said yes and I just wanted to see if I

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could get consensus to do that tonight.

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>> When your comments or before?

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>> No, before.

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>> Like before the presentations.

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>> Any problems with that? Anybody?

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» She did. I did respond to her and tell

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her yes, she could let him know that I

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was going to read it. But it was more

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for I just thought that it was

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>> it was sweet and kind and it kind of put

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Chris I mean we can redo it again on

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August 4th or if you want me to wait

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>> to have him here.

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>> Do it on August 4th.

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>> Yeah, he's going to be here. I mean do

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it twice. What the heck? Do it twice.

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So I just want a consensus to do that.

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she's not going to give the water

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utility update, but she will be

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available for when we have isish items

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that do touch on the water utility.

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>> So do we want to move her her items up?

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>> So that she can log off.

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consent new business item B if we wanted

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to reorder that to immediately follow

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consent item that she has this evening.

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>> So why don't why don't we just do that?

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>> So, we'll do it after the consent

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>> Everybody okay with that?

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well, let's do it before we get started

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and then we Okay, but we'll you'll do it

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again on the fourth when he's here.

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>> Double poetry.

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Motion to approve as Motion to approve

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>> Thank you. Thank you very much. Um all

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you ma'am, why don't you miss Millig

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read the poem now?

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was written um from our own Cindy Anel,

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the librarian to Chris Hannah, and I

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believe that he is our parks supervisor

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paper. Thank you, Shona, for doing that.

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Chris Hannah in the library's book, He's

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the Top Banana. When I ask him for help,

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he always says yes and works hard to

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make our events a success. My partner in

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all of the management trainings, his

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insights right on, his stories

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entertaining. Chris keeps the lights on

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in Lakew Worth Parks. Without him, our

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players would be in the dark. Clean and

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green is his model for playground and

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spaces. His efforts put smiles on the

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residents faces. Playground equipment

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and pickle ball courts. There's

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bathrooms and snack bars and fences

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galore. Let's give three cheers for

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Chris and a loud proclamation. Just

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listing his job makes me want a

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vacation. So take a break. So take a

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break, Chris. Relax. Put up your feet.

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a remarkable person. And we are so sad

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that she's leaving, but happy for her in

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her life that she's got a new chapter.

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>> no the employees um if somebody did

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something um above and beyond for you, kind of give them a little something

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and honor them in some way. And that was

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the way she honored him and I thought

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that was great.

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update. We just said pay attention Mr.

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Liberty and his amazing iguana.

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>> So, good evening, madame mayor and vice

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mayor, commissioners. Uh, for the record

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at Liberty with the electric utility.

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vice mayor for attending the uh FMEA

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annual meeting. Uh, and the attending

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portion of the conference and uh being

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there for the change of command ball or

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that in a few minutes. So, this was one

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awards they um they presented me with.

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current uh apprentice class has

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graduated to full-blown lineman.

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>> He happens to be here today. Peter

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» Welcome aboard to the best electric

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>> And he's helping us get there. So, I'll

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point out that I believe he actually

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started in the garage, then went to the

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water department, and then when the

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apprentice program opened up, he joined

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us on the electric side. So, fabulous.

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>> wherever actually, but he is home and he

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continues to improve. Uh the crews keep

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>> We're looking forward to having him back

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and resuming in the program.

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>> Next thing I'd like to do, uh, I'm not a

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union official, but I do want to

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recognize that we have three individuals

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that were elected by their peers to lead

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the local shop, and I'll announce who

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they are. Two of which are here today.

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Peter Vigani just made linement. He's

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been elected chief union steward is my

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understanding.

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>> Uh, Repa, he's been elected the electric

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shop steward. And I don't believe James

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is here, but uh James Fina was elected

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the uh water uh shop steward. So

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congratulations to them.

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>> Congratulations.

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» So we'll look forward to working with

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the new leadership of our newly

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established group. They were reertified.

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They're now uh union local 728 under the

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IBW and uh have a strong membership I

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understand. And so we've started

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negotiations with them which you're

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>> they'll be reasonable.

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work to to build a relationship and we

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look forward to a mutually agreeable

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>> Perfect. Thank you. Thank you. And thank

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you. Welcome. Congratulations.

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>> At a high level, we'll talk about how

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we're doing on uh system performance. Uh

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interesting. In July, I I think vice

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mayor was saying, "Why is it so hot? My

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electric bills are very hot." So July

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was 5% above um in terms of electric

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sales so far. We've got a couple more

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days here to go, but we're running a

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little over 5% actually 5.76%.

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Uh higher than last year, but degree

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days are up uh over 9% year-over-year.

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>> So just just for the month of July, July

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is running 9 plus% hotter than than the

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prior July.

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Year to date, our electric sales

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continue to run well above our plan. Uh

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they're running at 3.5 plus% and um at

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no sign of abatement. So again, we plan

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around 75% growth when we do our rate

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setting. So this is going to show up as

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greater revenues, greater margin growth,

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greater fund growth because our sales

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are running ahead of plan. Uh degree

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days for the year are up by a little

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over 5%. So over 9% just for the month

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of July, 5% year-to- date. So that's

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driving the growth. Of course, you

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always have to be prepared for the when

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the year when you don't grow. And we're

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not saying that we'd like to see degree

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days grow every year. uh we'd rather

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just see electric sales grow, but not

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necessarily degree days. So, we're doing

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well in that regard. Going back to the

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FMEA annual meeting, uh we did get

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recognized for uh some things that we

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achieved as a group and I brought these

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things with me today. You can take a

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look at them later. Uh we don't want to

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drop one, but um the first award that we

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got was the outage duration

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reduction award. What does that mean? So

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each year we strive to have our system

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average interruption duration index,

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what we call sadi, which is average time

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that we interrupt customers on our

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system. The goal is to be well below 60

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minutes. Last year we hit um 48.9

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minutes was the the average. This year

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we reduced by more than 10%. We got down

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to 39.6

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minutes uh for calendar year 25. So we

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got an award for that. We get the

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duration award. Congratulations to the

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team. It's not mine. The team did this.

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>> It's the team.

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>> Um, and at the same time, we got the

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endurance awards. We got duration and

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endurance. I'm told those are really

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good things. So, we got it for being

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below the 60 minute mark for two years

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in a row, which is difficult to do. We

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two years below that and more than a 10%

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decrease. So, that's really really good.

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So, that's great. System is doing well.

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Thank you for your continued support.

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Uh, I also received this award. It's

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actually just a wall plaque. I think

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everybody gets one of these when you go through the presidency of

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the group. I mentioned it been I think

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it's been since 1984 since somebody from

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Lakew Worth Beach was able to sit in

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that in that chair. Uh I noted that when you get elected to the position,

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the gavl is not screwed down to the

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plaque, but when you leave, they screw

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it down so you can't use it anymore. I

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told [laughter]

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>> if I if I ever did. Exactly. So these

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things will be on the wall at the 1900

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building and then eventually in a new

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display case uh where we'll keep all

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awards that we get whether it's lineman

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awards any kind of awards that we get

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we'll keep them there instead of taking

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them home. Um next thing to mention is

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the uh we kicked off our artificial

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intelligence uh workshops internal to

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the department. We've had 15 to 20

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people in the room. uh they've been

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engaging active long and uh so far we've

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got a little over 15 or so potential

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opportunities that'll be boiled down a

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little further. Um we have to be

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cautious not to think that artificial

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intelligence is going to solve

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everything that we need to do or or or

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want to get fixed. Some things have to

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get fixed within the existing systems.

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But there appear to be some

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opportunities which might lend

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themselves well to an artificial

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intelligence tool of some sort. So we'll

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be continue to go through the workshop

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and those will be vetted. We will want

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to get some public participation so at

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least the public is aware of what we're

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looking at so they're not scared about

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what we're doing with it and have a

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better understanding of what we're doing

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with that. We'll probably mention it at

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the citizens academy uh touch on the

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fact that we're researching it and and

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get and getting into it. At the moment I view these things as productivity

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improvements and u what I would call

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almost a force multiplier. How do we do

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much more with the resources we have

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rather than come and asking you for more

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people? So, how do we do some things

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that we can't do today? Maybe there

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needs to be more things running behind

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the scenes um in in in programs and pack

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in in AI packages to speed things up.

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Maybe some things that we're doing

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manually today should be automated and

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happening more quickly. So, we're

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looking at that that type of stuff. So,

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uh we'll we'll continue to report back

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to you and when we have a more firm

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product, you'll you'll get a

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presentation on that.

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Ed,

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>> what was the name of the woman who who

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was at with at dinner that's running

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that for you?

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>> Diana Pracken.

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>> Diana.

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>> Yep. And uh her and her partner A um

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from uh from from California are are

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leading us through these workshops. Just

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to be clear, they're not actually going

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to sell us the the tools. uh they're

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helping to guide us towards what are the

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things that are eligible or practical

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maybe to to use AI for and then help

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guide us towards what AI platform may be

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able to help us and and help us through

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that procurement process if if it's

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warranted. So there's a bunch of steps

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to go through. That's who was helping us

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through that.

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Um I'll mention that we're not going to

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get into a lot of detail because we'll get these reports out and get them

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published. We've got to go through uh

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for Yanuk of course the PCA u we did

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okay for PCA in May we actually lost

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ground says well you just said we did

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okay well we lost ground we lost ground

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because the nuclear outage in in June

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rather the nuclear outage uh went longer

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than expected so had that nuclear outage

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ended when we expected it to end we

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actually would have gained on the PCA by

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a little over 100,000 but dollars but

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because the outage went longer which

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means we had to buy more replacement

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power of the supplemental contract, we

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actually lost a little bit of ground.

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So, we're we're running at about a

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negative $1.2 million in the aggregate.

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And we're going to talk a little bit

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later tonight about moving some money

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from the storm fund over to the PCA.

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But, uh, it's not that alarming.

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Revenues are coming in strong and, uh,

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I'm confident that we'll we're going to

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make some good headway on this before

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the end of the the year. That's for

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sure. That's what we currently project

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to happen. Now, natural gas prices go

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crazy, that's a different thing. solar

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portfolio is performing well. Things are

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going well in that regard.

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>> Thank you.

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>> And I think that's enough,

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>> Miss May and Ma.

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>> Um, two things. One, we I just wanted to

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thank uh Mr. Bailey. Thank you for

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calling me today when um and and Ed, I

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called you. We had an outage in um

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College Park. Um and it was 45

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minutes, something like that. So, it's

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under your average. So, we're okay. But,

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um, it was caused by balloons, people

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um, letting helium balloons go. So, I

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just wanted to put it out there. That's

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my PSA of the day.

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>> And, um, you know, that just is horrible

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for the environment and and for the

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electric reliability rates. So, and we

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didn't have and the turtles and

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everything. So, please, please, please

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do not release balloons into the

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atmosphere.

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>> Thank you, Miss Mlea. Thank you. Um,

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just going back cuz you touched on the

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um the transfer from the storm fund to

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the right stabilization fund. I know

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that we're not there yet, but I had

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requested from finance some additional

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backup that wasn't provided to us, Mr.

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Perry.

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» It was [clears throat] it was provided.

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>> Oh, it's not in the original. You asked

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for it. We got it to you on Friday, I

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believe.

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>> Yeah. Okay. Was it added to the backup

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for the community to see?

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Okay. Thank you.

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>> For the record, what Commissioner Mlego

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was asking for was what was the the

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actual current uh balance in the in the

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fund before you approved it before you

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approved to uh to move it.

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I I should point out to the other thing

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that we we did fix was you had you all

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had recommended that we uh have the

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Citizen Done Energy website moved to

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three languages. So, we that's now been

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enabled. I'm told I haven't actually

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checked it in in in Spanish or I don't

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speak Creole, but Spanish I do. I

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haven't checked it, but I see the little tab there in the instructions

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that that says it will work. The team

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has confirmed that does work. And we

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also added a link for the bill payment.

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Uh if people go there, they want to pay

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their bill, they'll click there and

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it'll take them over to the bill payment

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site.

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>> Thank you.

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>> I actually had a lady who came up here

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to me yesterday who was at the meeting

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last night who I met at Rolo and she

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said the last Rolo meeting you said

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something about doing something with the

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electric bills. So, our bills the same.

522
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how do I do that? So, we are hopefully

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going to get more people to to join in

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on the budget billing as well.

525
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>> And we are expanding that site to also

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include performance information,

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statistical performance on outages. And

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eventually we'll move to more uh of our

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key performance indicators uh that we've

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talked about during the budget process.

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Those will be published on a on a

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regular basis on that website as well.

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>> I don't read the I don't read the

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languages, but it does work.

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>> Thank you. Great,

536
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>> Mr. Mavoy.

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>> Um, and I believe just for

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clarification, it's the myar balloons

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that we're particularly unhappy about

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because they're conductive.

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>> They're they're all bad, but those are

542
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especially bad.

543
00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,240
>> Yeah, we especially do not like those.

544
00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:21,120
>> I can tell you

545
00:19:21,120 --> 00:19:23,200
>> I don't think the one yesterday was

546
00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:24,000
today.

547
00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,320
>> There was actually two of them if I saw

548
00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:27,760
correctly. And um I can tell you as

549
00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:28,880
somebody who spends a lot of time on the

550
00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:32,320
water, it it it it's really a a bummer

551
00:19:32,320 --> 00:19:34,799
>> when you see balloons floating in the

552
00:19:34,799 --> 00:19:36,799
water or plastic bags or water, you

553
00:19:36,799 --> 00:19:40,240
know, single-use water bottles. It's one of my pet peeves. That's not

554
00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:42,880
why I'm here tonight, but uh I just I

555
00:19:42,880 --> 00:19:44,160
just want the public to be thinking

556
00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:44,720
about that because

557
00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:46,720
>> they look like jellyfish and they eat

558
00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:48,400
them and then they die.

559
00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:53,120
>> Um

560
00:19:53,120 --> 00:19:56,880
I was just going to to note

561
00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,880
I'm I'm glad to hear it's Well, I'm not

562
00:19:58,880 --> 00:20:00,559
glad to hear about the increased degree

563
00:20:00,559 --> 00:20:03,919
days. um we can expect them to continue

564
00:20:03,919 --> 00:20:05,440
go up. I don't know about at that rate,

565
00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:10,480
but um they probably will. Um

566
00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,160
and

567
00:20:12,160 --> 00:20:14,640
one thought uh I occasionally through

568
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,640
LinkedIn see interesting things relating

569
00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,840
to the electric industry and interesting

570
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,480
comments on artificial intelligence and

571
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,679
data centers and one of them is was some

572
00:20:25,679 --> 00:20:29,200
suggestions from Jennifer Granholm who

573
00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:31,360
used to be the department of energy and

574
00:20:31,360 --> 00:20:33,120
seems like pretty thoughtful and

575
00:20:33,120 --> 00:20:36,400
informed person. Um, she really pointed

576
00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:38,320
out and reminded me something that I've

577
00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:40,080
been interested in for a long time is

578
00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:43,679
battery storage. Get the AI guys to help

579
00:20:43,679 --> 00:20:45,760
because part of the deal is you want

580
00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:48,480
them to be better partners onto the grid

581
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:50,240
and give some more buffering. So, get

582
00:20:50,240 --> 00:20:53,120
them to help out with that. Um, and I

583
00:20:53,120 --> 00:20:54,960
raised the battery thing because I just

584
00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,799
encourage you, I'm sure you're doing it

585
00:20:56,799 --> 00:20:58,960
already, keep an eye out for

586
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,360
opportunities because that's our one

587
00:21:01,360 --> 00:21:03,200
addition that we could add to the solar

588
00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:04,880
that would get us more mileage out of

589
00:21:04,880 --> 00:21:08,080
them if it ever becomes, you know,

590
00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:11,760
financially within our means to do that

591
00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,840
>> storage. Yeah. To to that point, there

592
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,159
are two significant initiatives, I'd say

593
00:21:16,159 --> 00:21:18,159
one is very significant underway at

594
00:21:18,159 --> 00:21:19,919
FMPA, which we're watching closely.

595
00:21:19,919 --> 00:21:21,919
they're sharing information with us on

596
00:21:21,919 --> 00:21:23,360
and that's a battery energy storage

597
00:21:23,360 --> 00:21:25,360
project that would be located in the

598
00:21:25,360 --> 00:21:28,559
Keys and that is being done or being

599
00:21:28,559 --> 00:21:31,120
looked at for the purpose of

600
00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:33,360
improving the capacity position on that

601
00:21:33,360 --> 00:21:34,799
transmission line going to the Keys

602
00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:38,080
which is reaching its peak. Um and the

603
00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,080
thought is that they could store energy

604
00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,120
in batteries further down the keys and

605
00:21:43,120 --> 00:21:45,520
use that energy to avoid setting a

606
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:47,200
higher peak on that transmission line

607
00:21:47,200 --> 00:21:49,760
which is constrained.

608
00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,240
that is has gotten significant traction.

609
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,320
However, prices are not coming in at the

610
00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:56,640
point where it looks that attractive

611
00:21:56,640 --> 00:21:58,559
right now. And what they're finding

612
00:21:58,559 --> 00:22:03,600
nationally is that the best prices and the bulk of the equipment are going

613
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,559
to other markets such as markets where

614
00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:08,320
data centers are being built in Texas

615
00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:10,880
and in the New England area but um in

616
00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:13,679
Mid-Atlantic. So getting access to that

617
00:22:13,679 --> 00:22:16,240
storage equipment is is harder to get at

618
00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:18,799
the smaller sizes. But the other aspect

619
00:22:18,799 --> 00:22:20,720
of what FMPA is now going to take a look

620
00:22:20,720 --> 00:22:23,360
at is does storage work in conjunction

621
00:22:23,360 --> 00:22:26,640
with any of the solar projects the FMPA

622
00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:28,720
sites that that we've developed together

623
00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:31,520
we're we're a customer on. So it might

624
00:22:31,520 --> 00:22:33,280
make some sense to do it there. They're

625
00:22:33,280 --> 00:22:35,120
going to investigate that. And of course

626
00:22:35,120 --> 00:22:36,480
there's the possibility of us doing

627
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,559
storage here on our own system which

628
00:22:38,559 --> 00:22:40,159
they're going to help us uh evaluate

629
00:22:40,159 --> 00:22:41,919
together with then front our own

630
00:22:41,919 --> 00:22:45,520
consulting company. And just

631
00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:48,320
for for the public, when people talk

632
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,320
about storage, battery storage in

633
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:53,120
systems, they're not looking to store as

634
00:22:53,120 --> 00:22:54,880
you might if you were doing a home

635
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:56,640
system where you might want to store for

636
00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,919
three gray days. This is usually storage

637
00:22:59,919 --> 00:23:02,000
for 2 hours, maybe four, if you're

638
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,520
really lucky and it's an enormous

639
00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:05,360
storage, eight hours. Correct. But

640
00:23:05,360 --> 00:23:07,440
you're looking to shift the solar peak,

641
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,919
which is maybe 2, three in the afternoon

642
00:23:09,919 --> 00:23:12,880
to the usage peak, which is more 6 to 8.

643
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:14,960
>> Right. and there a few hours can make a

644
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,080
big difference

645
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,640
>> and and that's more achievable with a

646
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,200
smaller less expensive battery system.

647
00:23:21,200 --> 00:23:22,960
>> So one one way to look at this is to say

648
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:25,679
you know some power plants might run 50

649
00:23:25,679 --> 00:23:28,400
60 maybe up to 90% capacity factor. It

650
00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,000
means they're not running 100% of the

651
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,880
time at 100% of their capacity. They

652
00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:36,159
cycle back. The thought is including

653
00:23:36,159 --> 00:23:39,360
with solar is to take keep them at at

654
00:23:39,360 --> 00:23:41,360
the high performance level. put that

655
00:23:41,360 --> 00:23:43,520
energy into the battery instead of

656
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:45,200
cycling it back and then use the battery

657
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,600
to offset all of the production that

658
00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,120
would have been required during the day.

659
00:23:49,120 --> 00:23:51,360
So you're getting basically more use out

660
00:23:51,360 --> 00:23:53,360
of the existing power plant by running

661
00:23:53,360 --> 00:23:55,919
it longer and discharging energy during

662
00:23:55,919 --> 00:23:57,520
the day instead of just resorting to

663
00:23:57,520 --> 00:23:59,919
building yet another power plant to meet

664
00:23:59,919 --> 00:24:02,640
that that daytime peak. Now, that works

665
00:24:02,640 --> 00:24:04,960
so long as you can recharge the battery

666
00:24:04,960 --> 00:24:07,120
and and that the battery has enough

667
00:24:07,120 --> 00:24:09,039
cycle time, but the batteries are very

668
00:24:09,039 --> 00:24:10,720
expensive and there's an energy loss.

669
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,640
You you put 100 units of energy in,

670
00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:14,320
you're going to get about 85 units of

671
00:24:14,320 --> 00:24:16,159
energy out. So, there's there's a loss

672
00:24:16,159 --> 00:24:18,159
in that process. Those are very very

673
00:24:18,159 --> 00:24:20,080
rough numbers, but it doesn't mean you

674
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:21,120
shouldn't look at it. We're we're going

675
00:24:21,120 --> 00:24:22,400
to take a look at it and see if it makes

676
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:23,679
sense.

677
00:24:23,679 --> 00:24:24,000
>> Cool.

678
00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:24,880
>> Thank you.

679
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:25,840
>> Is that it?

680
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:26,480
>> Yes.

681
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:28,240
>> Okay. Next up is public participation,

682
00:24:28,240 --> 00:24:29,840
but I want to ask you I want to ask to

683
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:31,600
be indulged. I have these books and I

684
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:32,720
was going to do the end of the meeting,

685
00:24:32,720 --> 00:24:34,080
but I think while people are still here

686
00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:35,600
and people are still watching before the

687
00:24:35,600 --> 00:24:37,760
end, I'd like to just introduce this.

688
00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:40,000
Steven Lockwood is our latest amazing

689
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:42,720
historian. He does remarkable work. He

690
00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,120
his research is impeccable. And he came

691
00:24:45,120 --> 00:24:46,559
last week. He's up north right now, but

692
00:24:46,559 --> 00:24:48,159
he came last week with his latest

693
00:24:48,159 --> 00:24:51,520
edition, which I'm here to hand out.

694
00:24:51,520 --> 00:24:54,320
>> He's a very kind man. He's very invested

695
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:56,960
in the city of Lakew Worth.

696
00:24:56,960 --> 00:24:58,000
>> Um,

697
00:24:58,000 --> 00:24:59,200
>> of course, I'm going to hand out to

698
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:03,360
everybody. Yes. going to hand out one.

699
00:25:03,360 --> 00:25:04,880
>> I think he did give you one when he was

700
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:07,760
here that day. Um

701
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,760
>> we'll have Jeez,

702
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,000
>> I've had a hard day. Um so I just want

703
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:15,520
it's all about the casino and the beach,

704
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,600
which is of course relevant to our lives

705
00:25:17,600 --> 00:25:22,630
here. And um

706
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,600
Amazon $15.

707
00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:29,200
um, Back to the Future and there will be

708
00:25:29,200 --> 00:25:30,880
copies in the library for people to take

709
00:25:30,880 --> 00:25:33,120
out. So, thank you very much. I just

710
00:25:33,120 --> 00:25:36,159
didn't want to be like 10:00 and nobody

711
00:25:36,159 --> 00:25:38,080
cared.

712
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:39,120
>> So, thank you.

713
00:25:39,120 --> 00:25:40,960
>> Thank you. Yeah, it's really he does

714
00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,159
remarkable work. Um, we now have public

715
00:25:44,159 --> 00:25:46,240
participation of non-aggended items and

716
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,600
consent agenda items.

717
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:51,279
>> Oh, don't even please

718
00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:51,760
>> read them.

719
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,240
>> I've had a long day. It's made I can't

720
00:25:54,240 --> 00:25:56,159
even look at it.

721
00:25:56,159 --> 00:25:58,240
>> Where's my Okay, there they just have

722
00:25:58,240 --> 00:26:01,840
two. Ramsey Mloud and Mr. Hitchcock.

723
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,880
>> Oh, please. This makes me crazy.

724
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,200
>> The lure of public private partnership.

725
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,320
>> I open It's like a tarot card. I open to

726
00:26:10,320 --> 00:26:14,000
a radical change in architectural style.

727
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:18,390
Miss Mcloud,

728
00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:21,520
can I put these underneath?

729
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:26,870
Thank you.

730
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,919
Rams Mloud, 24 South Sea Street. It

731
00:26:29,919 --> 00:26:31,600
appears that our web master may have

732
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:33,760
fallen down the prover proverbial rabbit

733
00:26:33,760 --> 00:26:36,000
hole. A few months ago, I accessed the

734
00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:37,919
city's website and a little pop-up box

735
00:26:37,919 --> 00:26:39,840
appeared asking if it could help. I

736
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:41,919
typed in food truck ordinance and it

737
00:26:41,919 --> 00:26:43,120
quickly came up with all the

738
00:26:43,120 --> 00:26:45,600
information. Last week, when I went to

739
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,919
the city's website, there was no pop-up

740
00:26:47,919 --> 00:26:49,679
box and now I have to click on

741
00:26:49,679 --> 00:26:51,520
government along the top of the page.

742
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,520
And when that page appears, there's a

743
00:26:53,520 --> 00:26:56,240
quick link submen that lists code of

744
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,480
ordinances on the lower right hand side.

745
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,320
When I click on that and do a search for

746
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,400
food truck ordinance, I get a list of

747
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,159
every place in our ordinances where the

748
00:27:04,159 --> 00:27:07,440
word food or truck is listed. 17

749
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,559
entries. As a result, I did a search via

750
00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:12,720
good Google for the Lakew Worth Beach

751
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,320
food truck ordinance and I got the

752
00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:16,480
entire ordinance as well as a form to

753
00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:18,799
submit a permit request. I believe this

754
00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:20,559
is how our website was intended to

755
00:27:20,559 --> 00:27:22,559
operate, but it appears to have veered

756
00:27:22,559 --> 00:27:24,799
away from that capability. Something I

757
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:27,039
thought you should be made aware of. I

758
00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:29,360
know you have reviewed procedures, etc.

759
00:27:29,360 --> 00:27:31,520
for being on the dis and I'm requesting

760
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,360
that you consider adding parameters on

761
00:27:33,360 --> 00:27:34,640
what can be presented during the

762
00:27:34,640 --> 00:27:36,880
commission liaison reports and comments

763
00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:38,799
or perhaps shorting the title to just

764
00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:41,200
commission reports. So far this year,

765
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:42,960
from what I've observed, there are no

766
00:27:42,960 --> 00:27:45,440
neighborhood associations in District 2,

767
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:47,919
or if they do exist, they don't meet and

768
00:27:47,919 --> 00:27:49,760
have voiced no concerns, trends, or

769
00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:51,200
information to share with the rest of

770
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:53,840
the residents of our city. In addition,

771
00:27:53,840 --> 00:27:55,600
I've yet to hear any feedback on their

772
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,200
commissioner's attendance at committees

773
00:27:57,200 --> 00:27:59,600
or agencies they are representing our

774
00:27:59,600 --> 00:28:02,240
city on. I look forward to these reports

775
00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,000
because it's an opportunity for me to

776
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:06,159
learn more from residents in other areas

777
00:28:06,159 --> 00:28:09,039
of our city. is it also lets me know how

778
00:28:09,039 --> 00:28:11,279
involved and or engaged a commissioner

779
00:28:11,279 --> 00:28:13,600
is in the district they represent. I

780
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:14,559
want to know if neighborhood

781
00:28:14,559 --> 00:28:16,399
associations are meeting and what are

782
00:28:16,399 --> 00:28:18,399
the concerns in their area. Are there

783
00:28:18,399 --> 00:28:20,080
trends occurring that other residents

784
00:28:20,080 --> 00:28:22,799
should would be made aware of? Do they

785
00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:25,919
have projects, cleanups planned, etc. Is

786
00:28:25,919 --> 00:28:27,760
there feedback on construction projects

787
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,080
or developments occurring in their area?

788
00:28:30,080 --> 00:28:32,320
I feel these reports help to tie our

789
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:34,320
residents together because we then

790
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:36,080
become more aware of what's impacting

791
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,000
them and occurring in other parts of our

792
00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:40,320
city. It also alerts residents to

793
00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:41,919
concerns that may begin to appear in

794
00:28:41,919 --> 00:28:44,880
their area and how best to handle them.

795
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,240
In addition, this commissioner's

796
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:47,760
singular focus seems to be on the

797
00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,080
Guatemalan residents in our city. Yet,

798
00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:51,840
they have taken no action to mitigate

799
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,520
the continual destructive behavior of

800
00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:55,679
the Guatemalan men. I would like to

801
00:28:55,679 --> 00:28:57,600
encourage you to request city staff

802
00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:59,440
prepare a document listing the costs

803
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,360
incurred by the city because of this

804
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,279
behavior and present the bill to the

805
00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:05,039
Guatemalan Mayan Center or the

806
00:29:05,039 --> 00:29:07,039
Guatemalan embassy for reimbursement of

807
00:29:07,039 --> 00:29:09,760
these mounting unexpected costs. The

808
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:11,360
residents of this city have a right to

809
00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:13,600
know how you are being forced to spend

810
00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,240
our taxpayer dollars on the fallout from

811
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,640
their bad behavior, particularly in our

812
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:20,720
parks and playgrounds instead of on

813
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,559
needed projects or repairs. Thank you.

814
00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:37,029
uh, Mr. Hitchcock.

815
00:29:37,039 --> 00:29:40,799
» Good evening, W Hitchcock at 1506 13th

816
00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:43,279
Avenue North.

817
00:29:43,279 --> 00:29:46,000
Real quick, the downtown, we need to do

818
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,320
something to bring it up. It is going

819
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,360
really down as far as nothing down there

820
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:55,520
for families to come into this town and

821
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:56,880
feel like there's anything for their

822
00:29:56,880 --> 00:30:02,559
kids. It's either a smoke bake place or

823
00:30:02,559 --> 00:30:04,240
restaurants that have nothing for kids.

824
00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:06,320
You don't have an arcade or anything for

825
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:08,640
them to come here so the parents can

826
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,120
enjoy themselves and the kids can enjoy

827
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:13,600
and say how great of a city it is to

828
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:16,320
come to. There's nothing. And we got

829
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,720
people walking in our restaurants

830
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,480
bombing for food. You know, I don't know

831
00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:24,480
what we can do about that. But let's go

832
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,279
under your other subject, the beach. You

833
00:30:27,279 --> 00:30:29,039
were talking about the turtles and

834
00:30:29,039 --> 00:30:32,320
everything. This is from the cabana boys

835
00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:34,159
out there. They take the rubber bands

836
00:30:34,159 --> 00:30:35,760
that break, they throw them on the

837
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,080
beach. And this is what I found in less

838
00:30:38,080 --> 00:30:40,640
than a month. And I tried to tell them,

839
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,399
"Why don't you help clean the beach

840
00:30:42,399 --> 00:30:44,320
instead of trashing the beach?" They'll

841
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,159
set their chairs right on beer bottles

842
00:30:46,159 --> 00:30:50,080
and everything else. Yeah. And I think

843
00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,279
it was Monday cleaning along the pier, I

844
00:30:53,279 --> 00:30:55,279
found a nice snatch hook that used for

845
00:30:55,279 --> 00:30:58,000
snatching bait hooked to a piece of

846
00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:00,080
cable right next to the pier on the nice

847
00:31:00,080 --> 00:31:02,320
section of the beach.

848
00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:04,399
Any parent that was coming here from out

849
00:31:04,399 --> 00:31:06,399
of town, they would have been going to

850
00:31:06,399 --> 00:31:09,360
the ER to get that cut out of their foot

851
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,120
cuz I know what those things can do.

852
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,000
I've been snatched by a fishing with

853
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:15,840
other people

854
00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:17,600
and you do go to the hospital to have

855
00:31:17,600 --> 00:31:20,240
them cut out. But you but you're talking

856
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:22,559
about your balloons on power lines. It's

857
00:31:22,559 --> 00:31:24,720
the same thing at the beach. There's

858
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,720
nobody there to enforce any of this

859
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,200
stuff. We got one guy we call Turtle

860
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,200
John. He tries to educate him about the

861
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:34,240
turtles because he marks out the

862
00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:37,919
turtles. But there's no reason for this.

863
00:31:37,919 --> 00:31:40,240
None at all. I mean, if you're going to

864
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,960
do business on our beach,

865
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:44,960
you're responsible to clean up just like

866
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,200
any other business would tell you clean

867
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,960
up. Even the pure

868
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,720
>> restaurants. So, I think

869
00:31:50,720 --> 00:31:53,200
>> yeah, they need to step it up instead of

870
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:57,269
saying not my job.

871
00:31:57,279 --> 00:32:06,389
» Thank you.

872
00:32:06,399 --> 00:32:07,919
» Approval of the minutes. Do I have a

873
00:32:07,919 --> 00:32:10,399
motion? Motion to approve by Mrs. Mena.

874
00:32:10,399 --> 00:32:13,600
Second by

875
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:14,159
>> second

876
00:32:14,159 --> 00:32:15,840
>> Mr. McCoy.

877
00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:17,600
>> All in favor of it.

878
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:21,760
>> I the consent agenda to I have a motion.

879
00:32:21,760 --> 00:32:25,519
>> Motion to approve. Second by Mr. Zgler.

880
00:32:25,519 --> 00:32:28,640
Second by Mr. McCoy. All in favor.

881
00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,240
>> Thank you very much. And now we're going

882
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,279
to take new business B. change order one

883
00:32:33,279 --> 00:32:35,600
with BNB Underground Construction, Inc.

884
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:37,919
for Eden Place at 16th Avenue North Seaw

885
00:32:37,919 --> 00:32:41,519
Wall and drainage improvements. Um, Miss

886
00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:42,640
Vaughn, I hope you're feeling a little

887
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:46,230
bit better.

888
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:47,600
» Thank you.

889
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:51,440
>> Okay. Is there anything we have a motion

890
00:32:51,440 --> 00:32:53,039
>> to approve? Okay.

891
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:54,080
>> Second.

892
00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:56,559
>> Um, do we need any discussion?

893
00:32:56,559 --> 00:32:57,519
>> I don't have any question.

894
00:32:57,519 --> 00:32:59,679
>> All right. All in favor? Hi.

895
00:32:59,679 --> 00:33:00,320
>> Hi.

896
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:02,399
>> Please go take care of yourself.

897
00:33:02,399 --> 00:33:04,080
>> Thank you all. Have a great night.

898
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:09,990
>> All right. Take care.

899
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:12,880
» Yeah. Back to unfinished. Um, okay.

900
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:18,870
Unfinished business.

901
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:20,799
This is the extension of the uh

902
00:33:20,799 --> 00:33:23,600
Bradley's lease.

903
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:24,480
>> Yeah.

904
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:25,279
>> Yes.

905
00:33:25,279 --> 00:33:27,039
>> Uh, I did not get a chance to print it

906
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:30,630
out.

907
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,840
I did not see it.

908
00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:35,279
>> I didn't see it.

909
00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:37,760
>> You may have been here.

910
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:39,200
it is. Oh, and this

911
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:40,080
>> Yeah.

912
00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:41,679
>> Oh, I saw there was changes, but they

913
00:33:41,679 --> 00:33:43,120
didn't underline and strike out. So, it

914
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:46,159
was really part of work.

915
00:33:46,159 --> 00:33:47,360
>> Really ask.

916
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:49,360
>> Well, but they I don't think they were

917
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,279
cross. Maybe Mr. Glenn can give us

918
00:33:51,279 --> 00:33:52,640
insight. That's the easiest way to do

919
00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:56,559
it. So at your last meeting on this

920
00:33:56,559 --> 00:33:59,120
topic, you provided some direction about

921
00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,360
having electric utility install a meter

922
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:03,760
there and once that happens, they'll pay

923
00:34:03,760 --> 00:34:04,480
electric bills.

924
00:34:04,480 --> 00:34:05,440
>> Can you speak up a little bit for

925
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:10,159
>> sure the rent will be 7500 a month. The one change from the packet that you

926
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:14,000
had in your agenda was the CAM, which if

927
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,520
you recall, there was some discussion

928
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,240
about uh what area is the common area

929
00:34:18,240 --> 00:34:20,560
maintenance paid for? uh the square

930
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:21,919
footage of the property was a little

931
00:34:21,919 --> 00:34:24,000
uncertain. And so what we had done is

932
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:27,520
put in the cam for cleaning uh staff

933
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:30,480
member for the entryway, the reception

934
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,440
area, and the restrooms. But apparently

935
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,119
upon relisting to the minutes of the

936
00:34:35,119 --> 00:34:36,720
meeting, that was really supposed to be

937
00:34:36,720 --> 00:34:38,480
in the next lease. So I took that out.

938
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:39,919
That's the only thing that came out. It

939
00:34:39,919 --> 00:34:42,079
was the last couple of lines on the top

940
00:34:42,079 --> 00:34:45,359
of the second page. So, if you have the

941
00:34:45,359 --> 00:34:47,839
older one in front of you, you'll see

942
00:34:47,839 --> 00:34:51,599
after uh it says tenant will pay the

943
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:56,159
city's um solid waste collection. Then,

944
00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:57,680
right after that, it used to say the

945
00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,520
city will clean and maintain the common

946
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,359
area maintenance and canvas this much.

947
00:35:01,359 --> 00:35:04,240
That's gone. Other than that, it's uh

948
00:35:04,240 --> 00:35:06,160
what you've had in your packet uh since

949
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,880
the beginning of uh a week or so ago.

950
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,359
>> Okay. Okay. And how does it break down

951
00:35:11,359 --> 00:35:13,920
in terms of And I keep barking about

952
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:15,200
this and I'm going to continue to keep

953
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:18,480
barking about this. The condition of the

954
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,720
dining room, this the uh sound in the

955
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:24,079
dining room, the chairs.

956
00:35:24,079 --> 00:35:25,520
>> There's nothing in the lease that says

957
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:27,440
that other than the general terms about

958
00:35:27,440 --> 00:35:28,960
maintaining it in, you know, good and

959
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:31,520
proper condition. Uh there were three

960
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,839
specific items that I think uh

961
00:35:33,839 --> 00:35:36,079
Commissioner Mlega had had mentioned.

962
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:38,240
One was the concrete steps needed to be

963
00:35:38,240 --> 00:35:40,800
fixed. That's done. The second was the

964
00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,079
uh storage unit needed to be secured and

965
00:35:44,079 --> 00:35:47,280
then uh surrounded by KUSA and that's

966
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:48,240
been done.

967
00:35:48,240 --> 00:35:50,400
>> Are all the violations corrected?

968
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:53,119
>> Yes, at this point. Yes. The the deck

969
00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:54,960
was one, the deck was finished a few

970
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,960
weeks ago, the concrete steps was the

971
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:58,640
other one, and the third one was the

972
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:00,640
storage unit.

973
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:04,800
>> Thank you. Um Miss I see Miss May's

974
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,640
light is on.

975
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:08,400
>> Uh thank you. And I want to thank you

976
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,720
for um for working so hard on this,

977
00:36:10,720 --> 00:36:14,800
Glenn. And um we did do a little bit of

978
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:16,560
or I did a little bit of research just

979
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,599
on the typical rent percentage of

980
00:36:19,599 --> 00:36:23,119
revenue that um re restaurants in this

981
00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:24,560
area would get. Not necessarily

982
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,240
waterfront or golf club, just

983
00:36:26,240 --> 00:36:28,160
restaurants in general. And I found that

984
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,440
to be about 10 to 12% of their revenue

985
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,960
should be paid to rent. I mean standard.

986
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,520
And if you take especially if you take

987
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,359
CAM out, we're at um what was the Can

988
00:36:41,359 --> 00:36:43,599
you just What was the garbage again, Mr.

989
00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:45,359
Perry?

990
00:36:45,359 --> 00:36:48,240
>> Yeah, but what was that?

991
00:36:48,240 --> 00:36:50,640
700 8,400

992
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:54,230
>> uh 9,43649.

993
00:36:54,240 --> 00:36:59,119
Okay, so plus 53,000 for electric plus

994
00:36:59,119 --> 00:37:04,480
90,000 for rent equals 152 divided by

995
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:06,800
their yearly

996
00:37:06,800 --> 00:37:10,640
revenue is uh 7.6%.

997
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:13,920
So 7.6 for their overhead, not including

998
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:15,920
obviously what they pay for staff, but

999
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,400
as far as the lease goes. So I would say

1000
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:20,560
that that's a pretty fair deal in my in

1001
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:25,520
my opinion. Thank you.

1002
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,040
Uh, Madam Clerk, do you have any public

1003
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,880
comment?

1004
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:30,560
>> No. Madam Mayor, I have no comments on

1005
00:37:30,560 --> 00:37:31,839
any item this evening.

1006
00:37:31,839 --> 00:37:36,480
>> Oh my goodness. Okay, let's see.

1007
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,079
>> Motion to approve.

1008
00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:40,000
>> Uh, by Mr. Segridge,

1009
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:42,720
>> second by second. I do have Mitch.

1010
00:37:42,720 --> 00:37:43,359
>> I second.

1011
00:37:43,359 --> 00:37:46,000
>> By Miss

1012
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,240
Mitch has a public comment. That's the

1013
00:37:48,240 --> 00:37:49,680
only public comment I have. Is that

1014
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:50,560
true?

1015
00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,589
>> Okay.

1016
00:37:53,599 --> 00:37:56,079
I'm sorry.

1017
00:37:56,079 --> 00:37:59,839
>> Participation which we ended on.

1018
00:37:59,839 --> 00:38:00,560
>> Good evening.

1019
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:01,839
>> Ready. Hi.

1020
00:38:01,839 --> 00:38:04,079
>> Hello commissioner to may Hello

1021
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:05,440
Commissioner the mayor. I want to thank

1022
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,839
everybody for working so hard on this

1023
00:38:07,839 --> 00:38:14,160
and it's I know it's been kind of a tough go at this and I know everybody

1024
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,280
really worked hard. Um, the CAM thing I

1025
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:23,520
wanted to just bring up real quick is this is a shared facility with the

1026
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,240
golf course. So,

1027
00:38:26,240 --> 00:38:28,160
I'm and we're going to work towards it

1028
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:31,040
though. Okay. Right. Is that what we're

1029
00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:32,240
I think we're going to be work towards

1030
00:38:32,240 --> 00:38:33,280
it on the next lease.

1031
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,000
>> Mr. Right now, this lease does not have

1032
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,320
any candidate at all. Now, this lease is

1033
00:38:38,320 --> 00:38:40,800
one year. So, right at the end of the

1034
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:42,800
year, then the commission previously

1035
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:44,400
directed that we look at what the square

1036
00:38:44,400 --> 00:38:46,320
footage of the CAM would be and maybe

1037
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:48,400
even go out for proposals, but at this

1038
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,920
point, this one-year lease does not

1039
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:50,960
include CAM,

1040
00:38:50,960 --> 00:38:53,520
>> right? I was looking for go to a more

1041
00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,599
permanent deal is what I thought they

1042
00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:57,920
were looking at, but it's a shared

1043
00:38:57,920 --> 00:38:59,280
thing. So, that's why I was wondering if

1044
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,280
it if it could be shared with the golf

1045
00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:04,720
course if we do go to a cam.

1046
00:39:04,720 --> 00:39:06,560
>> Yeah. um

1047
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,040
>> to our attorney or or your lawyer needs

1048
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:09,920
to talk to

1049
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:13,760
>> Yeah. Okay. We've been talking. So, um,

1050
00:39:13,760 --> 00:39:15,680
and I just wanted, you know, with the

1051
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,079
electric, you know, I was just wondering

1052
00:39:18,079 --> 00:39:20,800
if it was when the thing gets put in,

1053
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,960
whenever that happens to be, if we could

1054
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,119
take a look at it then and decide, you

1055
00:39:25,119 --> 00:39:27,520
know, I could make a more, you know,

1056
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,640
educated guess as to what how much it's

1057
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:32,000
going to be, you know, because right now

1058
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:33,520
it's like I feel like I'm just going to

1059
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,359
give a blank check and say here because

1060
00:39:35,359 --> 00:39:37,680
I have no idea what the electric's going

1061
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,200
to be.

1062
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,079
Um, I got an estimate that the the whole

1063
00:39:42,079 --> 00:39:44,320
property was $5,000,

1064
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:45,040
which I

1065
00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:46,800
>> 50 what?

1066
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:47,920
>> 50,000.

1067
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:50,960
>> 50 50,000. I'm sorry. 50,000.

1068
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,000
>> But yeah, I mean that that I can work

1069
00:39:54,000 --> 00:39:56,240
with, you know, but he I think they said

1070
00:39:56,240 --> 00:39:58,800
something like maybe 5 to 700 possibly,

1071
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,960
which is great, but I just don't know.

1072
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:02,880
So that's why I was wondering if it was

1073
00:40:02,880 --> 00:40:04,240
something we could take a look at in the

1074
00:40:04,240 --> 00:40:07,040
future and maybe put that on the thing

1075
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,440
for the move it to the next thing the

1076
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,599
next permanent lease.

1077
00:40:11,599 --> 00:40:13,599
So I was just wondering about that and I

1078
00:40:13,599 --> 00:40:15,599
just want you know like gentleman

1079
00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:18,800
earlier said about children. We love families at our

1080
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:21,359
restaurant and that gentleman I'd love

1081
00:40:21,359 --> 00:40:23,200
to have all the children he knows come

1082
00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:24,800
over there and they run around. They

1083
00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,400
enjoy themselves. Parents don't have to

1084
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:26,800
really work.

1085
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:28,160
>> Thank you.

1086
00:40:28,160 --> 00:40:30,720
Thank you, Mitch.

1087
00:40:30,720 --> 00:40:34,000
>> Okay, Mr. Bes.

1088
00:40:34,000 --> 00:40:38,079
>> Um, I just wanted to thank uh colleagues

1089
00:40:38,079 --> 00:40:41,680
and our attorney. I think the goal, as

1090
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:43,520
far as I understand, the goal that we

1091
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,800
had of continuing a familyoriented,

1092
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:48,960
relatively affordable, very welcoming

1093
00:40:48,960 --> 00:40:52,240
sort of a place um has been achieved

1094
00:40:52,240 --> 00:40:54,079
along with a little bit of an adjustment

1095
00:40:54,079 --> 00:40:56,240
to balance, you know, how the city

1096
00:40:56,240 --> 00:40:59,280
benefits and how the and keep the place

1097
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:02,560
going. Um, I believe my understanding is

1098
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,880
that this is whatever we've come up with

1099
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,319
now is feasible to keep it going and

1100
00:41:08,319 --> 00:41:12,480
that I'm I'm glad for that. So,

1101
00:41:12,480 --> 00:41:13,920
>> um, one thing I want to bring up is I

1102
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,440
think the city can do better. When you

1103
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:17,760
drive in there to the right there's the

1104
00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:19,680
dumpster. I you know, can we put a hedge

1105
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,000
up? I mean, it's really did some move,

1106
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:23,359
but there's still stuff there. I mean,

1107
00:41:23,359 --> 00:41:26,079
there's still another um they got

1108
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:29,270
>> what

1109
00:41:29,280 --> 00:41:30,560
there was something up there the other

1110
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:32,720
day.

1111
00:41:32,720 --> 00:41:34,960
>> Um now, we'll say there was a pool

1112
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:36,720
company there last week that I sent Mr.

1113
00:41:36,720 --> 00:41:38,160
Perry some information on. I'm not going

1114
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:39,760
to call that pool company out, but they

1115
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,240
were using our parking lot as a staging

1116
00:41:42,240 --> 00:41:43,760
for all their heavy equipment and they

1117
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,079
did some damage that staff is trying to

1118
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:47,920
make them take care of.

1119
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:48,720
>> That's unfortunate.

1120
00:41:48,720 --> 00:41:50,000
>> They were installing a pool and using

1121
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:51,920
our parking.

1122
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:54,319
>> Oh, no. I'm sure.

1123
00:41:54,319 --> 00:41:59,670
>> No doubt. No doubt.

1124
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:02,560
There you go. Okay, we have unfinished

1125
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,480
business. This is unfinished business.

1126
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,319
Oh, Mary, there you go,

1127
00:42:06,319 --> 00:42:07,359
>> Madame Mayor.

1128
00:42:07,359 --> 00:42:09,040
>> We had a first and a second for the

1129
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:12,319
lease. We did not have a vote.

1130
00:42:12,319 --> 00:42:13,839
>> We're going to hear from

1131
00:42:13,839 --> 00:42:16,400
>> Oh, my apologies.

1132
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,520
>> You're forgiven.

1133
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:23,599
>> Thank you. They helped a lot. Okay.

1134
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:27,599
Um, Mary Lindsay, 327 Columbia Drive in

1135
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:32,880
beautiful College Park, Lakew Worth. Uh I'm not sure that this directly ties

1136
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:35,359
to this item, but I did want to make

1137
00:42:35,359 --> 00:42:37,599
sure that the commission and the public

1138
00:42:37,599 --> 00:42:40,319
knew that everyone is invited to a

1139
00:42:40,319 --> 00:42:43,440
wonderful party up at the casino on

1140
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,960
August 15th as we say farewell, good

1141
00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:49,520
luck, and thank you for 34 years of

1142
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,119
dedicated service by Cindy Anel. So, I

1143
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:54,640
want to make sure you all knew about it

1144
00:42:54,640 --> 00:42:57,280
and that I had the opportunity to share

1145
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,440
this and I shouldn't have been stuck out

1146
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:00,960
in the hall. I was talking to Mr.

1147
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:02,640
Liberty. That's why I miss public

1148
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,680
participation. I'm so sorry. I I

1149
00:43:05,680 --> 00:43:07,359
appreciate that.

1150
00:43:07,359 --> 00:43:09,119
>> 6 to9

1151
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:12,400
tickets are $30. This is being held by

1152
00:43:12,400 --> 00:43:15,119
the uh your hosts are the wonderful

1153
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:17,520
friends of the Lakew Worth Library Group

1154
00:43:17,520 --> 00:43:19,920
where every single nickel that raised

1155
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:23,280
goes right straight to um our city

1156
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:24,960
library. So, we're real happy about

1157
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:26,480
that.

1158
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:27,599
>> Miss Mary, just so you know, there are

1159
00:43:27,599 --> 00:43:28,640
some of us that will be at the

1160
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:30,880
legislative conference and that weekend

1161
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:31,760
and will not be in

1162
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,280
>> No, no, it gets out at like noon on

1163
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:34,400
Saturday.

1164
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:35,280
>> No, it doesn't.

1165
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:37,920
>> Or we Well, okay. It's usually just

1166
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,599
chitchat at the end. No, not at the

1167
00:43:39,599 --> 00:43:44,390
annual conference.

1168
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,680
» We may have this year, but it's only in Hollywood. So, we can drive

1169
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,040
up. We'll make it

1170
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:49,280
>> good.

1171
00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:50,240
>> We'll make it.

1172
00:43:50,240 --> 00:43:52,160
>> That would be great. And and bring all

1173
00:43:52,160 --> 00:43:53,839
your friends. We really want to give

1174
00:43:53,839 --> 00:43:57,200
Cindy a nice scent. 34 years, 20 years

1175
00:43:57,200 --> 00:44:00,480
as an unpaid volunteer.

1176
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,560
Her mother founded the Friends of the

1177
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,880
Lakeworth Library and she served on the

1178
00:44:04,880 --> 00:44:08,160
library advisory board for 20 years. and

1179
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,880
then 14 years at the actual in the

1180
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:12,480
stacks. We like to say

1181
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,800
>> she's and she's been so creative and so

1182
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:16,880
innovative and just connects with the

1183
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,560
community and loves and lives here. I

1184
00:44:18,560 --> 00:44:20,319
mean, she's one of us and that's really

1185
00:44:20,319 --> 00:44:22,000
terrific and I'm very pleased to hear

1186
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,240
that she's happy about her replacement.

1187
00:44:24,240 --> 00:44:25,040
She feels fine.

1188
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,440
>> Yes, he's wonderful. David is is just

1189
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:29,920
wonderful. He's he's one of us, too. He

1190
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:31,680
just doesn't happen to live in town yet,

1191
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:33,760
but we always get we get them in the

1192
00:44:33,760 --> 00:44:34,319
end.

1193
00:44:34,319 --> 00:44:34,800
>> Word.

1194
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:35,520
>> Yeah. All right.

1195
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:36,319
>> Thank you, Mary.

1196
00:44:36,319 --> 00:44:37,760
>> Thank you, commissioners. I appreciate

1197
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:43,910
your indulgence.

1198
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:45,680
» Okay.

1199
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:47,760
>> Next up, we have we have a motion. We

1200
00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,079
have a second. All in favor?

1201
00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:53,750
>> Thank you very much.

1202
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,680
New business C. Work order A.

1203
00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,400
>> Oh, A. Sorry. Um, that's okay. I have

1204
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:03,280
unfinished business. Resolution 29-26

1205
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:05,040
transferring funding from the storm fund

1206
00:45:05,040 --> 00:45:07,520
to the rate stabilization fund. I think

1207
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:08,640
Mr. Liberty

1208
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:09,440
>> Motion to approve.

1209
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:10,880
Do I have a second?

1210
00:45:10,880 --> 00:45:11,520
>> Second.

1211
00:45:11,520 --> 00:45:13,200
>> Uh, do you want to

1212
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,280
>> I think we need to hear

1213
00:45:15,280 --> 00:45:16,720
>> Mr. Liberty. You want to address this?

1214
00:45:16,720 --> 00:45:19,040
Miss Milligan, what what's your

1215
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:19,599
pleasure?

1216
00:45:19,599 --> 00:45:26,069
>> It's not really a question. Um,

1217
00:45:26,079 --> 00:45:30,560
I'm going to be voting against this and there's a there's a big reason why.

1218
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:33,280
Um,

1219
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,079
I'm not comfortable again, we just saw

1220
00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:40,319
Holly Smith last week from Santael and

1221
00:45:40,319 --> 00:45:42,480
when I think about the storm fund,

1222
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:44,160
there's a reason it was created and I

1223
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,319
understand that this was the seed money.

1224
00:45:46,319 --> 00:45:49,280
Um, but we just heard that the the

1225
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,520
degrees stays are hotter, the usage is

1226
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:54,560
higher. Um,

1227
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:56,800
I think that this rate stabilization

1228
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:01,200
fund will bounce back. I don't want to

1229
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,040
take any money out of the storm fund. We

1230
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:05,119
are in the middle of storm season. We

1231
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:07,200
don't know what's going to happen. Um I

1232
00:46:07,200 --> 00:46:08,960
had a very in-depth conversation with

1233
00:46:08,960 --> 00:46:10,560
some of the finance staff today and Mr.

1234
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:13,440
Perry on the overall finances and what

1235
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:15,440
could possibly happen in the next one to

1236
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,839
two to three years in this city um

1237
00:46:17,839 --> 00:46:21,599
between property taxes and if enterprise

1238
00:46:21,599 --> 00:46:23,520
funds get stripped from us next year or

1239
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,760
the next legislation year for being able

1240
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,200
to make transfers to the general fund,

1241
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:30,240
what that looks like. And I'm just I

1242
00:46:30,240 --> 00:46:32,480
brought this storm fund policy forward

1243
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:34,560
because I believe in it and I believe

1244
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:37,359
what it will do one day for the

1245
00:46:37,359 --> 00:46:41,119
residents of the city. And I'm very

1246
00:46:41,119 --> 00:46:43,440
nervous and skeptical about moving a

1247
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:45,920
half a million dollars out when we just

1248
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,079
heard, like I said, what I would

1249
00:46:48,079 --> 00:46:50,160
consider

1250
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,000
good news, even though it's not good for

1251
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,920
our air conditioners and us and and the

1252
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:56,240
environment. Um, when it comes to the

1253
00:46:56,240 --> 00:46:57,760
rate stabilization fund, I'm just I'm

1254
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,520
not comfortable with it and I have to go

1255
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,040
on the record for it. The stabilization

1256
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:02,800
fund for the storm fund was for the

1257
00:47:02,800 --> 00:47:05,280
storm fund and this is it's two

1258
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,079
different issues that we're dealing with

1259
00:47:08,079 --> 00:47:10,800
and I again I understand this was the

1260
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:12,800
seed fund that we borrowed from but at

1261
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:14,800
the same time we created the rate

1262
00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:16,240
stabilization fund. There never was one

1263
00:47:16,240 --> 00:47:18,240
of these. So these are policies that

1264
00:47:18,240 --> 00:47:20,400
we've put in place for the betterment of

1265
00:47:20,400 --> 00:47:22,480
the financial future of this city and

1266
00:47:22,480 --> 00:47:25,119
for financial stability. Um, I'm not

1267
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:26,800
comfortable with this. I'm I'm not going

1268
00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:30,480
to support it. I understand why it was

1269
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,200
brought forward. Um, I'm just I'm I'm in

1270
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:34,640
fear of it, especially during this time

1271
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:35,440
of the year.

1272
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:37,839
>> Thank you, Miss May.

1273
00:47:37,839 --> 00:47:41,599
>> Um, to that note, I I see that the

1274
00:47:41,599 --> 00:47:43,839
original I wasn't here in November of

1275
00:47:43,839 --> 00:47:47,839
23, but the original fund storm fund was

1276
00:47:47,839 --> 00:47:52,800
funded through a transfer from the PCA.

1277
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:55,040
So, if I could have just a little bit of

1278
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,119
history on that, Mr. Liberty, was it

1279
00:47:57,119 --> 00:47:59,839
intended as a loan or was it intended as

1280
00:47:59,839 --> 00:48:02,880
seed money not to be returned?

1281
00:48:02,880 --> 00:48:05,200
>> I agree with Commissioner Mlea. What in

1282
00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,119
regards to the the statement, it it's a

1283
00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:08,880
se was seed money. It was not intended

1284
00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:11,119
to be a loan. Uh but you all have the

1285
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:12,960
authority to by vote to move it back and

1286
00:48:12,960 --> 00:48:16,640
forth, but that's correct. It was not spoken of as a loan.

1287
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:18,880
>> Okay. So, it was never intended at the

1288
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:20,800
beginning to be moved back.

1289
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:22,880
>> Correct. And we we did not at that time

1290
00:48:22,880 --> 00:48:24,480
did not have a storm fund. Our storm

1291
00:48:24,480 --> 00:48:26,640
fund was in essence our fund balance.

1292
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:27,280
>> Right. Right.

1293
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:28,880
>> Which had taken a rather significant

1294
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:31,359
hit. And if we go back let's say 25 plus

1295
00:48:31,359 --> 00:48:36,480
years uh to the to the what what helped

1296
00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:38,319
put the utility in a tough situation.

1297
00:48:38,319 --> 00:48:41,280
The FEMA payments which were were still

1298
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,079
working down right were being paid for

1299
00:48:44,079 --> 00:48:45,440
out of fund balance. So every time a

1300
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:46,800
storm hit we would pay for it right out

1301
00:48:46,800 --> 00:48:47,359
of fund balance.

1302
00:48:47,359 --> 00:48:49,760
>> Oh god. So, we had proposed a a storm

1303
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,520
fund be created and that's the

1304
00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:53,119
commission did unanimously to create a

1305
00:48:53,119 --> 00:48:53,680
storm fund.

1306
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,760
>> Right.

1307
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:59,520
>> So, Mr. Liberty then um if we did not

1308
00:48:59,520 --> 00:49:03,200
move this $500,000 into the um rate

1309
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,040
stabilization fund.

1310
00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:06,559
>> How because I know you just said we're

1311
00:49:06,559 --> 00:49:08,559
negative 1 million in there.

1312
00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:11,280
>> Do we negative 1.2 in total between the

1313
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:12,800
stabilization between what we call the

1314
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:13,920
checking account and savings account?

1315
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:15,280
The net is a negative 1.2.

1316
00:49:15,280 --> 00:49:18,240
>> The net is negative 1.2 to with the ex

1317
00:49:18,240 --> 00:49:23,829
would that be able to be um

1318
00:49:23,839 --> 00:49:30,000
I don't know the financial term made up through the um the fact that

1319
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:31,920
we're making more money

1320
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:34,319
>> through the PCA. Yes. To the extent that

1321
00:49:34,319 --> 00:49:36,240
gas prices stay below what was assumed

1322
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:38,319
in the PC when we set the PCA and the

1323
00:49:38,319 --> 00:49:39,760
volumes stay

1324
00:49:39,760 --> 00:49:41,920
>> right. And didn't we just raise the PCA?

1325
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:43,520
>> Yes, we did March one. I believe the

1326
00:49:43,520 --> 00:49:43,920
PCA.

1327
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:45,520
>> And have we seen the returns from that

1328
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:47,359
yet? Yes, we are. You know, we are

1329
00:49:47,359 --> 00:49:48,640
seeing. So, we've made a little bit of

1330
00:49:48,640 --> 00:49:50,160
gain and we've lost a little ground. We

1331
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:51,440
go up and down. So, for example, with

1332
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:52,960
the nuclear adage, we we were going to

1333
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,640
gain a little bit when the nuclear age

1334
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:56,079
longer, we lost a little bit. Okay.

1335
00:49:56,079 --> 00:49:57,440
>> So, we're hovering right around that

1336
00:49:57,440 --> 00:50:00,160
negative$1.2 million number.

1337
00:50:00,160 --> 00:50:02,079
>> Our um is that something we're like

1338
00:50:02,079 --> 00:50:04,000
paying interest on or is it just really

1339
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:07,599
a a not an actual more of a figure?

1340
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:08,960
>> It's real dollars. We're not paying

1341
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:11,040
interest on it. It's it's a spreadsheet

1342
00:50:11,040 --> 00:50:13,359
calculation that debits out of our fund

1343
00:50:13,359 --> 00:50:16,160
balance essentially. the $500,000 that's

1344
00:50:16,160 --> 00:50:17,760
in the stabilization fund, that's

1345
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,440
actually physically in the stabilization

1346
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:22,240
fund and that is gaining interest. The

1347
00:50:22,240 --> 00:50:25,440
negative amount which is negative 1.7

1348
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:28,800
plus the 500 net you negative 1.2 that

1349
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,359
negative 1.7 is basically being carried

1350
00:50:31,359 --> 00:50:33,280
against the fund balance in the in the

1351
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,520
electric utility enterprise fund. It's

1352
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:36,720
not a separate fund.

1353
00:50:36,720 --> 00:50:38,319
>> All right. So then as the motion maker

1354
00:50:38,319 --> 00:50:39,599
I'm going to reig

1355
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:42,319
>> and I'm not going to make that motion. I

1356
00:50:42,319 --> 00:50:44,319
>> withdraw. I'm gonna withdraw my motion.

1357
00:50:44,319 --> 00:50:46,079
>> Vocabulary words were you'd like to

1358
00:50:46,079 --> 00:50:46,640
withdraw your

1359
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:48,079
>> I would like to withdraw my motion.

1360
00:50:48,079 --> 00:50:50,160
>> The second to withdraw their second. Who

1361
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:51,040
was the second?

1362
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:51,520
>> Anthony.

1363
00:50:51,520 --> 00:50:52,720
>> Mr. Zwood. Yep.

1364
00:50:52,720 --> 00:50:54,319
>> And I would like to make a motion to

1365
00:50:54,319 --> 00:50:57,599
disapprove the transfer of the 500. I

1366
00:50:57,599 --> 00:50:58,800
just have one question. If we don't do

1367
00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:00,640
this, I mean, what about the do you feel

1368
00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,359
like the rate stable fund will bounce

1369
00:51:03,359 --> 00:51:04,480
back at some point?

1370
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:05,280
>> Yes, I do.

1371
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,040
>> And if we come into an emergency, we

1372
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:07,599
have

1373
00:51:07,599 --> 00:51:09,520
>> we we've really grown our fund balance

1374
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:10,960
substantially. I don't have stand text

1375
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,319
numbers in front of me or I believe it's

1376
00:51:12,319 --> 00:51:14,000
in the 13 to$15 million range.

1377
00:51:14,000 --> 00:51:16,559
>> And it's your not your but the electric

1378
00:51:16,559 --> 00:51:18,800
fund balance. It's not the general fund.

1379
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:19,040
>> Correct.

1380
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:20,559
It's an enterprise fund.

1381
00:51:20,559 --> 00:51:21,119
>> Correct.

1382
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:22,400
>> Specifically within the electric

1383
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:23,200
utility.

1384
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:24,640
>> How come you can't just transfer it from

1385
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,000
there?

1386
00:51:26,000 --> 00:51:27,520
>> Uh well, number one, I wouldn't have the

1387
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:28,800
authority to do that.

1388
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,800
>> Could we transfer it from there if need

1389
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:31,280
be?

1390
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:33,280
>> In in theory, yes, you could take it

1391
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,920
from the from the fund balance. Uh, I

1392
00:51:35,920 --> 00:51:37,839
would say if you want to continue to

1393
00:51:37,839 --> 00:51:40,240
watch this, it's it's okay.

1394
00:51:40,240 --> 00:51:40,640
>> Yeah,

1395
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:41,520
>> that

1396
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,359
>> that's that's a these are the policy

1397
00:51:43,359 --> 00:51:44,880
decisions to make. Staff will follow

1398
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:45,920
your your instruction.

1399
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:48,000
>> Okay.

1400
00:51:48,000 --> 00:51:49,359
>> Mr. M.

1401
00:51:49,359 --> 00:51:51,520
>> I don't know what the order is.

1402
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,720
>> I did you both.

1403
00:51:54,720 --> 00:51:57,119
>> Um, second

1404
00:51:57,119 --> 00:52:00,000
>> just for clarification.

1405
00:52:00,000 --> 00:52:02,000
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe

1406
00:52:02,000 --> 00:52:04,319
that the intent of the storm fund is

1407
00:52:04,319 --> 00:52:06,400
pretty straightforward by the name.

1408
00:52:06,400 --> 00:52:08,880
That's for stuff that we do not think

1409
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,720
will happen, but our concern could. Um,

1410
00:52:12,720 --> 00:52:14,880
and that those can be quite expensive.

1411
00:52:14,880 --> 00:52:16,720
The number that sticks in my head always

1412
00:52:16,720 --> 00:52:19,440
is even if we just bring in folks and

1413
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:20,640
they don't do anything, you're looking

1414
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:22,319
at about a million dollar bill

1415
00:52:22,319 --> 00:52:26,640
>> probably. and and you have to do that

1416
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,319
for all the reasons that you've

1417
00:52:28,319 --> 00:52:30,480
explained to us that you know

1418
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:31,839
everybody's going to be looking for help

1419
00:52:31,839 --> 00:52:33,599
and you got to get your request in while

1420
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:36,480
there's still help available. Um so that

1421
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,040
gives some idea that's that's short of

1422
00:52:39,040 --> 00:52:43,200
your minimum bill. Um my recollection of

1423
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:45,520
the rate stabilization fund which we

1424
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:49,200
also established is look we know that

1425
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,480
the market can swing around or the nuke

1426
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:54,480
plant can go out for longer than is

1427
00:52:54,480 --> 00:52:57,280
expected. Rather than chasing each of

1428
00:52:57,280 --> 00:53:00,319
those bumps up and down very actively,

1429
00:53:00,319 --> 00:53:02,400
lower the PCA, raise the VCA, lower the

1430
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,440
PCA, let's put a little bit of a buffer

1431
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:09,040
aside and on some of the smaller bumps,

1432
00:53:09,040 --> 00:53:10,960
throw something out of the rate fund,

1433
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:12,640
stabilization fund, or so throw

1434
00:53:12,640 --> 00:53:15,920
something in if we have a good day um to

1435
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:18,559
buffer the changes a little bit more so

1436
00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:20,559
that customers don't see it waving

1437
00:53:20,559 --> 00:53:22,880
around quite as much. seems like a

1438
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:24,480
reasonable idea and a reasonable

1439
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,000
objective,

1440
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:29,839
but it's not it's a helpful fund. It's

1441
00:53:29,839 --> 00:53:32,960
not a hey, the star sky will fall if we

1442
00:53:32,960 --> 00:53:34,079
don't use it.

1443
00:53:34,079 --> 00:53:34,720
>> Correct.

1444
00:53:34,720 --> 00:53:36,960
>> So, in that sense,

1445
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:38,559
the two funds have very different

1446
00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:42,160
objectives and different targeted usage.

1447
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,880
I think I would have to agree with um

1448
00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:49,200
Commissioner Mlega that h if we don't

1449
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:50,880
really have to and if the rate

1450
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:52,559
stabilization is kind of an optional

1451
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:56,240
thing anyhow, let's leave that half a

1452
00:53:56,240 --> 00:53:59,599
million in the storm fund and sit tight

1453
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:01,839
and you know we it may mean that we do

1454
00:54:01,839 --> 00:54:03,680
have to do a PCA adjustment at some

1455
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:05,200
point depending on what comes down the

1456
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:09,680
pike. Um, but at least we've got some

1457
00:54:09,680 --> 00:54:11,200
spare

1458
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,240
for stuff that doesn't happen.

1459
00:54:14,240 --> 00:54:15,520
That would be my thinking.

1460
00:54:15,520 --> 00:54:17,040
>> It's like having an umbrella to make

1461
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,800
sure it doesn't rain.

1462
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:22,230
>> Mr. Se

1463
00:54:22,240 --> 00:54:24,880
» Thank you, Madam Mayor. Um, so is is the

1464
00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:28,000
PCA fund at a negative I for what you

1465
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:30,720
said 1.7 or or 2

1466
00:54:30,720 --> 00:54:32,400
>> 1.2 one

1467
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:35,920
>> well no 1.2 after transfer. No, let so

1468
00:54:35,920 --> 00:54:38,480
let me clarify that. So

1469
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,720
there is a rate stabilization fund.

1470
00:54:40,720 --> 00:54:43,520
There's no PCA fund per se. So the rate

1471
00:54:43,520 --> 00:54:45,200
stabilization fund, think of it as our

1472
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:48,240
savings account that has $500,000 in it

1473
00:54:48,240 --> 00:54:50,079
and plus interest. It continues to grow.

1474
00:54:50,079 --> 00:54:51,119
I don't know the number with interest,

1475
00:54:51,119 --> 00:54:52,880
but it continues to grow with interest.

1476
00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,480
In our checking account, which is really

1477
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,000
our daily operating account, if you

1478
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:58,319
will, a monthly operating account, we're

1479
00:54:58,319 --> 00:55:02,319
running -1.7. So what we do is we add

1480
00:55:02,319 --> 00:55:05,680
those two together to say how much does

1481
00:55:05,680 --> 00:55:08,800
how are we ahead of or behind on our

1482
00:55:08,800 --> 00:55:11,040
total PCA

1483
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:12,880
recovery.

1484
00:55:12,880 --> 00:55:15,599
So we count the stabilization fund plus

1485
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:17,839
the the operating account number. We net

1486
00:55:17,839 --> 00:55:19,520
those out. That's how we come up with a

1487
00:55:19,520 --> 00:55:22,640
negative 1.2 million rough numbers

1488
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:24,240
million dollars. It's in the report. We

1489
00:55:24,240 --> 00:55:25,920
can open up a structive numbers but I

1490
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:27,599
think general is good enough for this

1491
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:30,400
discussion. Um negative 1.2 2 million is

1492
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:33,760
where we're at. And we set the rate

1493
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:36,240
effective March one, I believe we went

1494
00:55:36,240 --> 00:55:38,960
up by about $7 per month on a,000

1495
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:40,960
kilowatt hour home if I remember

1496
00:55:40,960 --> 00:55:43,280
correctly.

1497
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,960
>> Yeah. Yeah. Up to So it it made a

1498
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:48,640
significant difference in our in our

1499
00:55:48,640 --> 00:55:51,280
recovery. Natural gas prices have stayed

1500
00:55:51,280 --> 00:55:53,200
a little bit high, but not unbearably

1501
00:55:53,200 --> 00:55:56,160
high. And uh and we're doing okay.

1502
00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,000
Absent the nuclear outage that went

1503
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,440
longer than we expected. we would have

1504
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:02,720
gained about $110,000 plus instead we

1505
00:56:02,720 --> 00:56:05,839
lost about $107,000 something like that.

1506
00:56:05,839 --> 00:56:08,400
Um but I'm I'm not that uncomfortable

1507
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:09,520
with it. If you're not that

1508
00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:11,760
uncomfortable with it, if the thought

1509
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:14,000
was we were thinking that maybe there

1510
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,480
was some some pressure from you all to

1511
00:56:16,480 --> 00:56:20,079
try to get that PCA decreased uh on the

1512
00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:22,400
bill, but if you're content to for now

1513
00:56:22,400 --> 00:56:24,240
to to keep going to where we're going,

1514
00:56:24,240 --> 00:56:26,480
that's okay with staff as well. I I

1515
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,480
think I go back to one of the reasons

1516
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:30,640
that we turned on the PCA. It had been

1517
00:56:30,640 --> 00:56:32,319
turned off for many years. Not that we

1518
00:56:32,319 --> 00:56:34,400
weren't collecting on it, but we weren't

1519
00:56:34,400 --> 00:56:36,559
watching it closely as a utility and

1520
00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:39,040
reporting out to the these the five

1521
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:41,520
seats here on a regular basis again till

1522
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:44,160
2019 2020 when we said, "Hey, we really

1523
00:56:44,160 --> 00:56:47,040
have to start we we matured to the point

1524
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:48,240
and turning around the utility we need

1525
00:56:48,240 --> 00:56:50,160
to talk be talking about this." So these

1526
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:51,440
discussions are helping. You all have a

1527
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:53,680
good idea of what the PCA balance is.

1528
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:55,119
The important thing is we're not using

1529
00:56:55,119 --> 00:56:58,240
PCA balance to make our base budget look

1530
00:56:58,240 --> 00:57:01,359
good or bad. They're separate items and

1531
00:57:01,359 --> 00:57:04,000
you're actively being updated on it.

1532
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:05,520
You're monitoring it. Discussions are

1533
00:57:05,520 --> 00:57:08,079
healthy and and our fund balance which

1534
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:10,880
is important uh in in our bond rating

1535
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:15,040
for example continues to grow and it's growing this current year. We

1536
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:17,520
expect a good healthy uh growth on fund

1537
00:57:17,520 --> 00:57:17,760
balance.

1538
00:57:17,760 --> 00:57:19,200
>> What's our bond rating right now? I

1539
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:22,720
forget with Finch. Um, we Fitch does not

1540
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,480
have a direct rating on us. Our Moody,

1541
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,000
we have a Moody's rating. I want to say

1542
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,400
it's A2 and it's off the top.

1543
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:29,680
>> That's off the top of my head. I have to

1544
00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:30,880
go make sure I get the terminology

1545
00:57:30,880 --> 00:57:31,200
correct.

1546
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:33,440
>> I was just ask maintains a private

1547
00:57:33,440 --> 00:57:35,200
rating on us because they rate they

1548
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:36,880
follow us indirectly because they watch

1549
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,094
the St. Lucy bonds for FMPPA

1550
00:57:39,094 --> 00:57:41,040
[clears throat] very closely. So, and

1551
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:43,440
we're the largest participant. So, Fitch

1552
00:57:43,440 --> 00:57:45,119
watch us very closely, but they they

1553
00:57:45,119 --> 00:57:47,359
have not issued a rating on us. We may

1554
00:57:47,359 --> 00:57:50,319
choose to uh seek a rating from Fitch

1555
00:57:50,319 --> 00:57:52,079
for our next bond issue.

1556
00:57:52,079 --> 00:57:54,240
>> Thank you, Mr. Secret.

1557
00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:55,599
>> How are we growing our rate

1558
00:57:55,599 --> 00:57:57,280
stabilization fund? Is that basically

1559
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,520
when the PCA we're beating it?

1560
00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:00,240
>> Yes.

1561
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,799
>> And so that from an accounting

1562
00:58:02,799 --> 00:58:04,400
perspective

1563
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,480
gets chalked into that. So

1564
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:07,520
>> exactly,

1565
00:58:07,520 --> 00:58:09,280
>> you know, since I've been sitting up

1566
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:12,400
here, we've been losing against it. Kind

1567
00:58:12,400 --> 00:58:16,559
of slowly but surely ticking down, down, down. And I and I know we we

1568
00:58:16,559 --> 00:58:20,079
moved some stuff around. Um do you think

1569
00:58:20,079 --> 00:58:22,559
we were aggressive enough

1570
00:58:22,559 --> 00:58:25,599
in in looking at rates and then also

1571
00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:28,480
given the current international climate

1572
00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,559
with oil and the pressures that's

1573
00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:33,119
putting on other fuel sources and so

1574
00:58:33,119 --> 00:58:36,000
forth and the climate [laughter]

1575
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,680
and and depending on on what what

1576
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:40,640
happens.

1577
00:58:40,640 --> 00:58:43,280
Do you think we're doing enough to to

1578
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,599
basically buffer ourselves from what

1579
00:58:45,599 --> 00:58:48,400
could be still very expensive roads

1580
00:58:48,400 --> 00:58:50,480
ahead?

1581
00:58:50,480 --> 00:58:51,920
>> That's a very good question. So, let's

1582
00:58:51,920 --> 00:58:55,520
go back in time. At one time, um, and

1583
00:58:55,520 --> 00:58:58,240
Commissioner McBoy would remember this.

1584
00:58:58,240 --> 00:59:01,359
uh post uh COVID we actually think we

1585
00:59:01,359 --> 00:59:04,400
got into the negative $5 million number

1586
00:59:04,400 --> 00:59:07,119
and then we adjusted the rate and weoned

1587
00:59:07,119 --> 00:59:10,000
up to I want to say positive3

1588
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,799
plus million and that's when things were

1589
00:59:12,799 --> 00:59:14,720
good. We were well ahead and we were

1590
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,160
looking at ratcheting back and we said

1591
00:59:16,160 --> 00:59:17,440
but I think we may have ratcheted back

1592
00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:20,319
and then we then moved $500,000 in the

1593
00:59:20,319 --> 00:59:22,480
stores and so we we we've been riding

1594
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:26,000
the wave. we tend to by nature PCAs will

1595
00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:29,200
lag uh the the actual usage curve.

1596
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:30,880
You're always chasing it and what we

1597
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:33,599
tried to do was avoid having monthly or

1598
00:59:33,599 --> 00:59:36,079
quarterly swings. Got to set a number

1599
00:59:36,079 --> 00:59:38,079
and let it ride for a while. Uh and

1600
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:39,119
that's what we've been doing. But you're

1601
00:59:39,119 --> 00:59:40,640
right, probably in your tenure, yes, you

1602
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,559
probably saw it drop, continue to drop.

1603
00:59:42,559 --> 00:59:44,960
>> So we're over the years, we we've now

1604
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,839
achieved a much smoother curve, tracking

1605
00:59:47,839 --> 00:59:49,520
closer to it, which is where we want to

1606
00:59:49,520 --> 00:59:51,760
be. And and so for for the folks at home

1607
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:53,680
hearing we're we're 1.7 or 2 point

1608
00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:55,839
something under the margin. It's a scary

1609
00:59:55,839 --> 00:59:56,400
number. Right.

1610
00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:57,200
>> Correct.

1611
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,720
>> But it's it's to be expected as we're

1612
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:02,640
trying to trace a smooth curve versus

1613
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:06,400
the yo-yo effect, right? Of of going up

1614
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:07,440
and down.

1615
01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:09,680
>> Um just a general question for you know

1616
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,280
I know we're doing a lot of storm

1617
01:00:11,280 --> 01:00:15,520
hardening and and so on. Um, are our

1618
01:00:15,520 --> 01:00:18,799
storm hardened assets insured against a

1619
01:00:18,799 --> 01:00:22,160
storm or you know what what kind of

1620
01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,079
insurance protections do we have against

1621
01:00:24,079 --> 01:00:27,599
storms? Well, I'm I'm not an expert on

1622
01:00:27,599 --> 01:00:31,680
insurance. Um, but we do update our

1623
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:34,000
items that we have insured. So, we've

1624
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,520
replaced a lot of poles and built new

1625
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:37,280
substations. So they're all a part of

1626
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:38,880
our current check that we're going

1627
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,359
through as we move those things into the

1628
01:00:41,359 --> 01:00:43,520
asset register to make sure that they're

1629
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:45,200
insured properly. So we're in a process

1630
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,200
of gathering that information and making

1631
01:00:47,200 --> 01:00:48,799
sure that finance has it and then the

1632
01:00:48,799 --> 01:00:50,640
risk side has it so we can be insured

1633
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:51,359
properly.

1634
01:00:51,359 --> 01:00:53,839
>> And then you know um as you guys brought

1635
01:00:53,839 --> 01:00:55,680
up when when there is a large incident

1636
01:00:55,680 --> 01:00:57,359
we we got to bring linemen in. We got to

1637
01:00:57,359 --> 01:00:58,960
bring in crews from from everywhere.

1638
01:00:58,960 --> 01:01:03,440
Right. You know and and that's that's immediate cash out because you

1639
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,240
don't pay they don't work. Right. Right.

1640
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:08,960
>> Um, and that's that's where the the the

1641
01:01:08,960 --> 01:01:11,520
storm fund I would suspect, comes in in

1642
01:01:11,520 --> 01:01:13,440
the most handy.

1643
01:01:13,440 --> 01:01:15,359
>> Is there an insurance mechanism that can

1644
01:01:15,359 --> 01:01:16,880
help us defend against that?

1645
01:01:16,880 --> 01:01:18,720
>> That's called FEMA.

1646
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:22,079
>> Uh, so our first recourse is is is

1647
01:01:22,079 --> 01:01:24,720
to is seek recovery from FEMA. But

1648
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:26,079
essentially what happened over the years

1649
01:01:26,079 --> 01:01:29,119
was uh since the city was working off a

1650
01:01:29,119 --> 01:01:31,520
negative balance with FEMA, the largest

1651
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:33,599
incursion of FEMA related or FEMA

1652
01:01:33,599 --> 01:01:35,119
eligible expenses tended to be in the

1653
01:01:35,119 --> 01:01:36,480
utility. So the utility wasn't getting

1654
01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:37,760
the recovery while we're working down

1655
01:01:37,760 --> 01:01:39,920
that balance. So the the utility was

1656
01:01:39,920 --> 01:01:43,920
self helping by drawing down out of its

1657
01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:45,440
reserves

1658
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:47,119
uh to cover items that might have

1659
01:01:47,119 --> 01:01:48,319
otherwise been able to have been

1660
01:01:48,319 --> 01:01:50,720
recovered through FEMA. And that's a

1661
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:52,319
long story of history of litigation and

1662
01:01:52,319 --> 01:01:53,599
how we got to where we are today. You

1663
01:01:53,599 --> 01:01:56,000
know, I I asked partly because, you

1664
01:01:56,000 --> 01:01:57,119
know, I know some of the answers, but

1665
01:01:57,119 --> 01:01:58,960
also because people listening at home,

1666
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:00,799
you know, um need to understand it's a

1667
01:02:00,799 --> 01:02:03,680
very complex set of things and and that

1668
01:02:03,680 --> 01:02:05,760
the the city has a good handle on it.

1669
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:06,880
So, thank you.

1670
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:08,240
>> If we could go back to something you

1671
01:02:08,240 --> 01:02:10,640
mentioned with regards to uh the fuel

1672
01:02:10,640 --> 01:02:12,480
risk and the PCA,

1673
01:02:12,480 --> 01:02:14,400
>> one of the things that we do is

1674
01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:17,119
obviously we have a PCA and we have base

1675
01:02:17,119 --> 01:02:20,240
rates. Inside of our base rates, we have

1676
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:21,920
some things that have some variability

1677
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:23,680
to them. So for example, we have natural

1678
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:27,680
gas uh pipeline contracts and we

1679
01:02:27,680 --> 01:02:33,839
monetize those contracts by selling our space with gas uh through a through

1680
01:02:33,839 --> 01:02:35,280
a function which you will approve with

1681
01:02:35,280 --> 01:02:38,000
GA Florida gas utility.

1682
01:02:38,000 --> 01:02:40,079
When natural gas prices get very high,

1683
01:02:40,079 --> 01:02:42,160
of course it impacts the PCA, but at the

1684
01:02:42,160 --> 01:02:44,400
same time that gas pipeline capacity

1685
01:02:44,400 --> 01:02:47,119
contract tends to overperform. So we're

1686
01:02:47,119 --> 01:02:48,960
we have a little bit of a hedge. are not

1687
01:02:48,960 --> 01:02:51,599
buying futures contracts, but as one

1688
01:02:51,599 --> 01:02:53,599
expense is going up, the other revenue

1689
01:02:53,599 --> 01:02:55,200
is going up. They're on different

1690
01:02:55,200 --> 01:02:57,280
ledgers right now. Uh, and we're going

1691
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:58,720
to be talking a little bit more about

1692
01:02:58,720 --> 01:03:00,000
that. We're actually putting together a

1693
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:01,760
data set to come back and talk to you

1694
01:03:01,760 --> 01:03:03,760
about whether those gains should be

1695
01:03:03,760 --> 01:03:06,640
moved over to the PCA. Uh, and the base

1696
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:08,640
amount be left in the base budgets. So,

1697
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,400
we're taking a look at that. Uh the

1698
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:11,599
other thing I'll point out is that when

1699
01:03:11,599 --> 01:03:14,880
we moved uh a significant amount of

1700
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:18,720
energy supply from coal from the Stanton

1701
01:03:18,720 --> 01:03:20,799
project, we moved it over to solar.

1702
01:03:20,799 --> 01:03:22,799
Well, a portion of the coal expenses

1703
01:03:22,799 --> 01:03:24,720
were actually in our base revenues. The

1704
01:03:24,720 --> 01:03:26,240
fixed costs associated with the coal

1705
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:29,119
plant were in are in our base budgets.

1706
01:03:29,119 --> 01:03:30,720
Now, that wore off. That means our base

1707
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:32,400
budgets are overperforming, helping our

1708
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,119
fund balance grow. But that 11 megawatts

1709
01:03:35,119 --> 01:03:37,920
of coal that retired was replaced by 34

1710
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:39,920
megawatts of solar. do the math real

1711
01:03:39,920 --> 01:03:42,400
quick. Oh, that's great. Except for the

1712
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:46,079
fact that the 34 megawatts of solar

1713
01:03:46,079 --> 01:03:47,920
doesn't happen at the time of peak. It

1714
01:03:47,920 --> 01:03:49,760
happens in the middle of the day. So,

1715
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,160
we're actually buying more capacity

1716
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:54,319
which is hitting the PCA and all the

1717
01:03:54,319 --> 01:03:57,680
solar bills are hitting the PCA

1718
01:03:57,680 --> 01:03:59,680
and the space was left unfilled in the

1719
01:03:59,680 --> 01:04:00,880
base budget. So, we're going to be

1720
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:02,079
talking to a little bit when we get into

1721
01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:04,799
the rate design uh in the coming months

1722
01:04:04,799 --> 01:04:07,200
about maybe moving some capacity

1723
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:09,599
payments out of PCA, moving him into the

1724
01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:12,319
base to fill the hole that was vacated

1725
01:04:12,319 --> 01:04:16,640
by the the retirement of the coal plant.

1726
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:19,520
Interesting stuff. I I I suggest that

1727
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,599
you each find some time to come in and

1728
01:04:21,599 --> 01:04:24,160
just chat to get an idea about it and

1729
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,559
then you'll be really be in much better

1730
01:04:26,559 --> 01:04:31,119
position when we float these ideas. if you as a group have a consensus that

1731
01:04:31,119 --> 01:04:33,520
you would want to discuss that uh but it

1732
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:35,760
it's an option that we can look at. So

1733
01:04:35,760 --> 01:04:38,880
>> I'm just we're going back to the univer

1734
01:04:38,880 --> 01:04:47,280
it'll be a whiteboard session but it's it's going to get to the issue of the um chasing the curve on the PCA

1735
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,079
and how do we reduce the volatility of

1736
01:04:50,079 --> 01:04:52,400
the PCA but still make sure that we're

1737
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:54,079
recovering the money we need to pay our

1738
01:04:54,079 --> 01:04:55,920
bills. So is are there things that we

1739
01:04:55,920 --> 01:04:58,559
can do? The answer is yes, but it takes

1740
01:04:58,559 --> 01:05:00,240
some time to understand it more than we

1741
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,640
can spend in the few minutes that we

1742
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:04,079
have here in these meetings. But

1743
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:05,359
ultimately, there'll be decisions you

1744
01:05:05,359 --> 01:05:07,680
need to make in public. Yeah,

1745
01:05:07,680 --> 01:05:08,799
>> we get us all lined up.

1746
01:05:08,799 --> 01:05:10,400
>> We have the whiteboard ready for one-on-

1747
01:05:10,400 --> 01:05:12,319
ones for that.

1748
01:05:12,319 --> 01:05:13,760
>> Thank you, Mr. McBoy.

1749
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:17,599
>> Um, just three things. Are we are we

1750
01:05:17,599 --> 01:05:18,559
three things?

1751
01:05:18,559 --> 01:05:19,119
>> It is.

1752
01:05:19,119 --> 01:05:23,920
>> Um, we as far as we know still below

1753
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:25,839
FPNL.

1754
01:05:25,839 --> 01:05:26,319
Yes.

1755
01:05:26,319 --> 01:05:27,920
>> Or very close.

1756
01:05:27,920 --> 01:05:29,839
>> We're very very close. We're somewhere

1757
01:05:29,839 --> 01:05:33,200
between even to 95 cents cheaper.

1758
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:33,520
>> Yeah.

1759
01:05:33,520 --> 01:05:35,440
>> Net band and that that's done by

1760
01:05:35,440 --> 01:05:38,160
actually finding bills uh that people

1761
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,039
have received for a similar amount.

1762
01:05:41,039 --> 01:05:42,400
>> A similar amount and running it through

1763
01:05:42,400 --> 01:05:43,599
the building model say how do we

1764
01:05:43,599 --> 01:05:44,160
compare?

1765
01:05:44,160 --> 01:05:47,039
>> Yeah. So just just so the public knows

1766
01:05:47,039 --> 01:05:49,440
because we we all know that we've had a

1767
01:05:49,440 --> 01:05:51,520
reputation likeworth as being oh crazy

1768
01:05:51,520 --> 01:05:53,680
expensive. Well, we are we've been

1769
01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:55,920
consistently below for a long time.

1770
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:56,319
>> Yes.

1771
01:05:56,319 --> 01:05:58,720
>> Um and

1772
01:05:58,720 --> 01:06:00,079
some of those who've been around a long

1773
01:06:00,079 --> 01:06:02,319
time may know that I was not all that

1774
01:06:02,319 --> 01:06:05,440
favorable of that goal

1775
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:08,000
10 years ago maybe because I was afraid

1776
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:09,680
that the way we were going to achieve it

1777
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:11,920
was sucking down our reserves which

1778
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:14,880
turned out to be accurate. But I want to

1779
01:06:14,880 --> 01:06:18,640
say huge credit to Mr. liberty that we

1780
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,400
have maintained that goal of staying on

1781
01:06:20,400 --> 01:06:22,640
the FPL and we've been building our

1782
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:24,319
reserves back up which is very important

1783
01:06:24,319 --> 01:06:26,319
for the bond and all sorts of good

1784
01:06:26,319 --> 01:06:29,280
reasons. So kudos for being able to pull

1785
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:33,119
that off. Um a question relating to the

1786
01:06:33,119 --> 01:06:35,039
bond rating and our general ability to

1787
01:06:35,039 --> 01:06:39,039
borrow. If I remember right, the outside

1788
01:06:39,039 --> 01:06:40,799
agencies that look at us part of what

1789
01:06:40,799 --> 01:06:42,400
they're doing is trying to figure out is

1790
01:06:42,400 --> 01:06:43,839
this a bunch of crazies that are running

1791
01:06:43,839 --> 01:06:46,640
this? Are these solid? And one of the

1792
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:48,480
factors,

1793
01:06:48,480 --> 01:06:51,359
well, hopefully they listen to Mr.

1794
01:06:51,359 --> 01:06:53,440
Liberty rather than to us on that one,

1795
01:06:53,440 --> 01:06:55,359
but I think we've been doing pretty

1796
01:06:55,359 --> 01:06:58,880
moderately on on this. Um, is it not

1797
01:06:58,880 --> 01:07:01,119
true that they looked fairly favorably

1798
01:07:01,119 --> 01:07:02,960
on the existence of the rate

1799
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:05,039
stabilization fund and the existence of

1800
01:07:05,039 --> 01:07:07,839
the storm fund as that seems like pretty

1801
01:07:07,839 --> 01:07:10,480
prudent management. I'd say absolutely

1802
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:10,960
true. [clears throat]

1803
01:07:10,960 --> 01:07:13,680
>> Yeah, that's what I thought. And on the

1804
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,160
one

1805
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:18,319
The whole it electric stuff is a little

1806
01:07:18,319 --> 01:07:21,760
complex to stay on top of. Basically,

1807
01:07:21,760 --> 01:07:24,799
the idea of the PCA and the base rate is

1808
01:07:24,799 --> 01:07:27,359
PCA is fuel related and is going to you

1809
01:07:27,359 --> 01:07:29,200
could expect that to be noisier as our

1810
01:07:29,200 --> 01:07:31,920
fuel costs go up and down. Base rate is

1811
01:07:31,920 --> 01:07:33,839
all the stuff that we got to do all the

1812
01:07:33,839 --> 01:07:36,559
time. And then there's some fuzz because

1813
01:07:36,559 --> 01:07:38,240
coal was something that we paid on a

1814
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:39,760
steady rate. So, we kind of put it into

1815
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:41,280
that one even though it's really sort of

1816
01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:44,160
a fuel. But for sensible reasons, that's

1817
01:07:44,160 --> 01:07:46,240
how we divided it up. Um, and then

1818
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:47,599
there's the whole energy costs and

1819
01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:49,119
capacity cost, which we won't get into

1820
01:07:49,119 --> 01:07:53,520
right now. Um, but is it not true that

1821
01:07:53,520 --> 01:07:56,400
there two things with the solar? One is

1822
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:58,400
that they have a lot less volatility

1823
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:01,280
because we have uh known prices for

1824
01:08:01,280 --> 01:08:02,960
roughly 20-year contracts that are

1825
01:08:02,960 --> 01:08:05,440
either flat or a known escalator. So,

1826
01:08:05,440 --> 01:08:08,880
there's no fuel noise on that one. And

1827
01:08:08,880 --> 01:08:10,720
then the the downside is they don't have

1828
01:08:10,720 --> 01:08:12,480
as much capacity. So they have a higher

1829
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,480
capacity cost, but if we were to ever

1830
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:17,520
get to battery supplement to it, that

1831
01:08:17,520 --> 01:08:20,159
would help offset some of that capacity.

1832
01:08:20,159 --> 01:08:20,560
So

1833
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:20,960
>> yes,

1834
01:08:20,960 --> 01:08:23,600
>> in terms of our overall thinking, that's

1835
01:08:23,600 --> 01:08:27,279
how that picture fits together if I

1836
01:08:27,279 --> 01:08:28,799
>> you you understand it correctly, sir.

1837
01:08:28,799 --> 01:08:30,239
Thank you. Thank

1838
01:08:30,239 --> 01:08:31,120
>> Yes.

1839
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,600
>> But I do want to come get the

1840
01:08:33,600 --> 01:08:34,319
whiteboard.

1841
01:08:34,319 --> 01:08:35,839
>> Y

1842
01:08:35,839 --> 01:08:36,560
>> thank you.

1843
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:39,120
>> Yes, Glad to have you. Glad to have Glad

1844
01:08:39,120 --> 01:08:41,199
to have you there. better than water.

1845
01:08:41,199 --> 01:08:43,199
>> You you captured the essence of the art

1846
01:08:43,199 --> 01:08:48,319
of this uh very well. So, thank you.

1847
01:08:48,319 --> 01:08:50,239
>> Yeah. [laughter]

1848
01:08:50,239 --> 01:08:52,880
>> To be determined.

1849
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:56,239
>> And thank you.

1850
01:08:56,239 --> 01:08:59,600
>> Uh do we did we vote? Did we not vote?

1851
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:03,440
>> Motion to deny and a second to deny.

1852
01:09:03,440 --> 01:09:03,759
>> Correct.

1853
01:09:03,759 --> 01:09:05,759
>> No. Mayo.

1854
01:09:05,759 --> 01:09:10,159
>> Oh, yeah. May withdrew. and then made a

1855
01:09:10,159 --> 01:09:13,199
motion to deny which Mala seconded

1856
01:09:13,199 --> 01:09:15,359
>> and so if we vote

1857
01:09:15,359 --> 01:09:16,319
>> that Mrs.

1858
01:09:16,319 --> 01:09:17,839
We are not moving the

1859
01:09:17,839 --> 01:09:19,440
>> Correct.

1860
01:09:19,440 --> 01:09:22,000
>> So, Yay to the nay.

1861
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:23,120
>> Yay to the nay.

1862
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:24,960
All right. All in favor.

1863
01:09:24,960 --> 01:09:26,000
>> Got it.

1864
01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:26,960
>> Thank you.

1865
01:09:26,960 --> 01:09:28,799
>> Nay. Yeah. Yay.

1866
01:09:28,799 --> 01:09:29,920
>> Stop. Stop. Stop.

1867
01:09:29,920 --> 01:09:30,640
>> Yes.

1868
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:32,480
>> I'm just trying to be clear on my

1869
01:09:32,480 --> 01:09:33,600
>> and it's not working.

1870
01:09:33,600 --> 01:09:35,759
>> No, it's not working.

1871
01:09:35,759 --> 01:09:38,000
>> Okay. Up here. Yeah. You know, you got

1872
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:39,759
to have a little humor. Thank you, Mr.

1873
01:09:39,759 --> 01:09:40,480
Liberty.

1874
01:09:40,480 --> 01:09:41,520
>> You're welcome. Thank you.

1875
01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:43,920
>> Okay. New business C work order number

1876
01:09:43,920 --> 01:09:46,239
five with Eminem asphalt DVA all county

1877
01:09:46,239 --> 01:09:47,920
paving for golf course resurfacing.

1878
01:09:47,920 --> 01:09:48,799
>> Motion to approve.

1879
01:09:48,799 --> 01:09:50,480
>> We're going to asphalt the golf course.

1880
01:09:50,480 --> 01:09:52,000
Do I have a second?

1881
01:09:52,000 --> 01:09:52,480
>> Second

1882
01:09:52,480 --> 01:09:54,640
>> by Miss May. All in favor?

1883
01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:56,159
>> I I

1884
01:09:56,159 --> 01:09:56,560
>> Wait.

1885
01:09:56,560 --> 01:09:58,000
>> Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, Mr.

1886
01:09:58,000 --> 01:09:59,360
>> Am I blocking this light?

1887
01:09:59,360 --> 01:10:01,360
>> Yeah, I can't see. He put it up there.

1888
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:05,110
>> Okay.

1889
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:07,360
So, I I know one of the immediate

1890
01:10:07,360 --> 01:10:08,960
questions I'm going to get from

1891
01:10:08,960 --> 01:10:11,040
residents who live around some of the

1892
01:10:11,040 --> 01:10:14,239
roads that look like they've been bombed

1893
01:10:14,239 --> 01:10:16,159
and then they go and they look at the

1894
01:10:16,159 --> 01:10:18,080
golf course and they say, "Well, that's

1895
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:19,760
not nearly as bad as the road that's in

1896
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:23,199
front of my house." Um, and I know we

1897
01:10:23,199 --> 01:10:25,840
have a new PCI coming. Um, what is the

1898
01:10:25,840 --> 01:10:29,520
progress on the the new PCI report?

1899
01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:31,600
>> So, we have the PCIs. Well, Jamie Brown,

1900
01:10:31,600 --> 01:10:32,960
public works director, uh, we have the

1901
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:34,880
new PCIs are now being populated into

1902
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:37,199
our new system. So, that's in process

1903
01:10:37,199 --> 01:10:37,840
right now.

1904
01:10:37,840 --> 01:10:40,080
>> So, when do we think that process will

1905
01:10:40,080 --> 01:10:41,440
be completed?

1906
01:10:41,440 --> 01:10:42,880
>> So, as we're putting that together,

1907
01:10:42,880 --> 01:10:44,880
we're also doing programming as well.

1908
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,280
So, um,

1909
01:10:47,280 --> 01:10:49,120
probably about another month or so, I'd

1910
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:50,080
say,

1911
01:10:50,080 --> 01:10:51,600
>> um, to a point where we can actually get

1912
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:54,239
some some active projects laid out for.

1913
01:10:54,239 --> 01:10:56,560
>> Okay. And and you know, so people

1914
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:58,159
listening at home, you know, it's not

1915
01:10:58,159 --> 01:11:00,640
finalized yet, but so far in the budget

1916
01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:01,840
process, we have been looking at

1917
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:04,000
allocating um an appropriate amount of

1918
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:07,199
funds to fixing roads, both on the

1919
01:11:07,199 --> 01:11:09,600
maintenance side, but also um chipping

1920
01:11:09,600 --> 01:11:11,520
away at the years of deferred

1921
01:11:11,520 --> 01:11:16,159
maintenance. Um once that new PCI is is

1922
01:11:16,159 --> 01:11:17,840
completed and you start looking at those

1923
01:11:17,840 --> 01:11:19,360
projects,

1924
01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:22,080
do you think it feasible that for some

1925
01:11:22,080 --> 01:11:23,760
of the worst roads or or some of the

1926
01:11:23,760 --> 01:11:25,600
roads at least maybe a year out or

1927
01:11:25,600 --> 01:11:27,520
something being able to give people a

1928
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:30,320
general idea that hey you your road

1929
01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:32,320
might be on this list

1930
01:11:32,320 --> 01:11:34,800
>> possibly. Um, keep in mind we still have

1931
01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:37,199
to coordinate with utilities as well and

1932
01:11:37,199 --> 01:11:38,960
their overall master plan too to make

1933
01:11:38,960 --> 01:11:40,880
sure that we're not about to do some

1934
01:11:40,880 --> 01:11:43,840
things that uh have future uh utility

1935
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:46,719
projects going under.

1936
01:11:46,719 --> 01:11:48,400
So we do need to coordinate with with

1937
01:11:48,400 --> 01:11:50,239
them. So we're we're at the beginning of

1938
01:11:50,239 --> 01:11:54,159
a somewhat lengthy process but we have

1939
01:11:54,159 --> 01:11:56,880
started and we're well into it. So we're

1940
01:11:56,880 --> 01:11:58,480
a lot further along than we were.

1941
01:11:58,480 --> 01:12:01,440
>> Okay. And then just kind of my my my

1942
01:12:01,440 --> 01:12:05,040
last question for for my colleagues. Um

1943
01:12:05,040 --> 01:12:06,640
the parking lot of the golf course

1944
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:09,440
facility.

1945
01:12:09,440 --> 01:12:10,880
I feel the maintenance of that should

1946
01:12:10,880 --> 01:12:12,560
come out of the golf course fund. Now I

1947
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:14,000
understand the golf course fund doesn't

1948
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:18,719
have an awful lot, but you know

1949
01:12:18,719 --> 01:12:20,640
public works wouldn't fix the parking

1950
01:12:20,640 --> 01:12:23,360
lot in let's say my office building,

1951
01:12:23,360 --> 01:12:26,239
right? Um, and we treat it as it has its

1952
01:12:26,239 --> 01:12:29,840
own fund and and so on. Just like at the beach, if we were going to redo

1953
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,000
the beach parking lot, I I would think

1954
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:34,640
that we'd try to utilize the beach fund

1955
01:12:34,640 --> 01:12:36,400
for that. Um,

1956
01:12:36,400 --> 01:12:37,600
>> it's fine. You have the same question

1957
01:12:37,600 --> 01:12:38,960
for the next item.

1958
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,440
>> So,

1959
01:12:41,440 --> 01:12:43,040
um,

1960
01:12:43,040 --> 01:12:45,520
I mean, is it

1961
01:12:45,520 --> 01:12:47,520
off of hand, do you know what percentage

1962
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,360
is roughly the parking lot versus the

1963
01:12:49,360 --> 01:12:52,000
streets?

1964
01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:55,280
>> Uh, I do not. I could find that out. But

1965
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:56,800
we obviously wanted to do seventh

1966
01:12:56,800 --> 01:12:58,880
leading into the golf course itself so

1967
01:12:58,880 --> 01:13:00,719
we can attack the parking lot and then

1968
01:13:00,719 --> 01:13:02,640
also knock out that area right between

1969
01:13:02,640 --> 01:13:03,840
seventh and eighth on golfing while

1970
01:13:03,840 --> 01:13:04,719
we're there.

1971
01:13:04,719 --> 01:13:06,800
>> Yeah. So my my only ask of my my

1972
01:13:06,800 --> 01:13:08,159
colleagues with with this because I

1973
01:13:08,159 --> 01:13:09,679
think it needs it. I mean, you know, and

1974
01:13:09,679 --> 01:13:14,080
obviously the golf the golf course we're trying to to make it look even

1975
01:13:14,080 --> 01:13:15,600
better. It's doing better from a

1976
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:18,080
financial standpoint. Um, you know,

1977
01:13:18,080 --> 01:13:20,480
compliments to staff and and to our golf

1978
01:13:20,480 --> 01:13:22,080
pro and and everything else like that

1979
01:13:22,080 --> 01:13:24,640
that's been going on all the events.

1980
01:13:24,640 --> 01:13:26,960
We just renewed with with the beach

1981
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:29,440
club, right? And we asked them to get

1982
01:13:29,440 --> 01:13:31,120
their ducks in a row and clean up the

1983
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:33,760
issues that they had. Um, so I

1984
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:37,360
definitely want to see us do this. Um,

1985
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:40,239
but I'm wondering amongst my colleagues,

1986
01:13:40,239 --> 01:13:42,800
um, should we be aortioning the parking

1987
01:13:42,800 --> 01:13:44,960
lot to the golf fund versus the roads

1988
01:13:44,960 --> 01:13:47,280
fund?

1989
01:13:47,280 --> 01:13:48,239
Can I chime in?

1990
01:13:48,239 --> 01:13:49,040
>> Sure.

1991
01:13:49,040 --> 01:13:52,159
>> So, I I concur on that thought. Once I

1992
01:13:52,159 --> 01:13:54,480
looked at the streets remaining budget

1993
01:13:54,480 --> 01:13:55,920
for the rest of the fiscal year at 2

1994
01:13:55,920 --> 01:13:57,920
million, I felt comfortable um because

1995
01:13:57,920 --> 01:13:59,600
right now the golf course has much

1996
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:00,880
greater needs than what their bank

1997
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:02,880
account all lots for. And that's the

1998
01:14:02,880 --> 01:14:04,320
only reason I didn't bring up that that

1999
01:14:04,320 --> 01:14:07,280
fiscal impact um was because of what the

2000
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:08,719
remaining balances and we're going into

2001
01:14:08,719 --> 01:14:12,080
August. So says we're still sitting at

2002
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:13,760
22

2003
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:16,159
2 million $20,000 in the streets

2004
01:14:16,159 --> 01:14:18,400
remaining balance and the street

2005
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:20,159
maintenance public works annual roadway

2006
01:14:20,159 --> 01:14:23,840
fund according to

2007
01:14:23,840 --> 01:14:27,280
the fiscal impact and I know that the

2008
01:14:27,280 --> 01:14:28,800
golf fund is sitting nowhere near that

2009
01:14:28,800 --> 01:14:30,880
and has major needs this year. Um

2010
01:14:30,880 --> 01:14:32,320
otherwise I would completely agree with

2011
01:14:32,320 --> 01:14:34,080
that. Keep the fund with where the

2012
01:14:34,080 --> 01:14:36,800
improvement is. Um that's my that's my

2013
01:14:36,800 --> 01:14:37,360
two cents

2014
01:14:37,360 --> 01:14:39,760
>> that that's a great point. Um, but then

2015
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:41,600
my last question on on this, you know,

2016
01:14:41,600 --> 01:14:43,360
because the folks at home are are going

2017
01:14:43,360 --> 01:14:45,840
to hear that we've got two million left

2018
01:14:45,840 --> 01:14:47,679
in the streets fund before the end of

2019
01:14:47,679 --> 01:14:49,760
the year. That means fiscal year, which

2020
01:14:49,760 --> 01:14:52,480
is October, right? So, just so people

2021
01:14:52,480 --> 01:14:54,080
realize that's not

2022
01:14:54,080 --> 01:14:57,040
>> that's not not December.

2023
01:14:57,040 --> 01:14:58,080
Yeah. No, I know.

2024
01:14:58,080 --> 01:14:59,520
>> I was just looking to see because we

2025
01:14:59,520 --> 01:15:01,280
obviously have 200 coming next and then

2026
01:15:01,280 --> 01:15:03,360
1.1 and the next one. So I didn't know

2027
01:15:03,360 --> 01:15:05,040
if we kind of structured these as we

2028
01:15:05,040 --> 01:15:08,239
went down to show it depleting.

2029
01:15:08,239 --> 01:15:10,719
>> So So it's going down.

2030
01:15:10,719 --> 01:15:12,560
>> It's it's safe to say that that that

2031
01:15:12,560 --> 01:15:14,320
money will be allocated to streets this

2032
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:14,719
year.

2033
01:15:14,719 --> 01:15:18,470
>> Oh yes.

2034
01:15:18,480 --> 01:15:19,520
» I just

2035
01:15:19,520 --> 01:15:22,000
>> No, it's important for people at home to

2036
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:22,159
listen.

2037
01:15:22,159 --> 01:15:24,480
>> It's one of the things

2038
01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:27,520
>> we um it's one of the things we hear

2039
01:15:27,520 --> 01:15:30,960
about the most from our residents. Okay.

2040
01:15:30,960 --> 01:15:34,560
Miss Mil, Mr. McCoy, and then Miss May I

2041
01:15:34,560 --> 01:15:37,280
can wait until the next item.

2042
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:41,120
>> Um, I I think that I I would agree with

2043
01:15:41,120 --> 01:15:44,400
the suggestion that the parking lot kind

2044
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,880
of seems like it goes under the bill for

2045
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:50,159
the golf course. Um, I don't think other

2046
01:15:50,159 --> 01:15:52,800
than providing staging area for private

2047
01:15:52,800 --> 01:15:55,120
pool operations that the golf course

2048
01:15:55,120 --> 01:15:57,120
parking lot

2049
01:15:57,120 --> 01:15:58,800
does much other than for the golf

2050
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:03,750
course. Um, so

2051
01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:06,320
yes, that's reasonable. Um, maybe the

2052
01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:08,159
beach club should kick in a little for

2053
01:16:08,159 --> 01:16:10,080
the golf for the parking. I don't know.

2054
01:16:10,080 --> 01:16:13,600
Um, but I think it is a a fair concern

2055
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,000
that for other residents around the

2056
01:16:16,000 --> 01:16:18,560
city, is it reasonable that we were

2057
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:22,239
using a lot of general fund money to do

2058
01:16:22,239 --> 01:16:25,840
their parking lot? Um, so I would be in

2059
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:28,719
favor of and and in terms of the 2

2060
01:16:28,719 --> 01:16:30,400
million,

2061
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,400
the number that I remember that we had

2062
01:16:32,400 --> 01:16:34,960
for the last budget session was if we

2063
01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:37,440
really wanted to try to I think you use

2064
01:16:37,440 --> 01:16:40,159
the term chip away, stay on the

2065
01:16:40,159 --> 01:16:42,000
maintenance, that's more like a five,

2066
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:44,800
six million a year over a number of

2067
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,360
years to get there.

2068
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:50,640
But that Yeah. Yeah. No, I know. But it

2069
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,360
the 2 million is still a lot less than

2070
01:16:53,360 --> 01:16:55,760
the five or six and we are not spending

2071
01:16:55,760 --> 01:16:57,840
five or six this year. We don't have

2072
01:16:57,840 --> 01:17:01,440
that towards roads. So the need at the

2073
01:17:01,440 --> 01:17:04,320
road fund and for other residents is is

2074
01:17:04,320 --> 01:17:06,960
still a big deal. So I would be in favor

2075
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:09,360
of moving a bit more of the cost of this

2076
01:17:09,360 --> 01:17:12,480
onto the golf folks. Maybe it doesn't

2077
01:17:12,480 --> 01:17:14,400
have to happen as part of this, but just

2078
01:17:14,400 --> 01:17:17,280
that we

2079
01:17:17,280 --> 01:17:17,760
>> Yeah.

2080
01:17:17,760 --> 01:17:20,159
>> figure out how to do that. I see some

2081
01:17:20,159 --> 01:17:23,600
financial expertise is coming up here.

2082
01:17:23,600 --> 01:17:26,870
>> Well,

2083
01:17:26,880 --> 01:17:29,280
okay. Is there a response that there's

2084
01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:35,110
no question?

2085
01:17:35,120 --> 01:17:37,280
» So, Valentine state assistant finance

2086
01:17:37,280 --> 01:17:38,719
director. So, I'm just going to help a

2087
01:17:38,719 --> 01:17:40,640
little bit. I think the uh the way the

2088
01:17:40,640 --> 01:17:43,679
task orders were organized uh you can

2089
01:17:43,679 --> 01:17:45,679
see that we started the project with the

2090
01:17:45,679 --> 01:17:48,560
2.2 2 million and then applying these

2091
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:52,880
three uh work orders we are down to 77.

2092
01:17:52,880 --> 01:17:54,239
Yes. Thank you.

2093
01:17:54,239 --> 01:17:55,920
>> Thank you.

2094
01:17:55,920 --> 01:17:57,280
>> Um I see.

2095
01:17:57,280 --> 01:17:59,920
>> So do we have the is there a motion on

2096
01:17:59,920 --> 01:18:00,960
the table? I can't remember.

2097
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:02,719
>> Yes. The motion to approve it.

2098
01:18:02,719 --> 01:18:03,440
>> Yeah.

2099
01:18:03,440 --> 01:18:05,760
>> Could we would the motion maker whoever

2100
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:08,080
that was be willing to amend it a

2101
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:10,960
little?

2102
01:18:10,960 --> 01:18:13,120
>> It was you Commissioner Moy.

2103
01:18:13,120 --> 01:18:15,360
Well, then I guess I can ask him if he's

2104
01:18:15,360 --> 01:18:18,480
willing to amend his motion to I'll have

2105
01:18:18,480 --> 01:18:20,640
a chat with him, but not on our nickel

2106
01:18:20,640 --> 01:18:24,560
or time. Um,

2107
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:27,280
would there be consensus? Would people

2108
01:18:27,280 --> 01:18:29,679
have some willingness to say split the

2109
01:18:29,679 --> 01:18:34,390
cost to that one?

2110
01:18:34,400 --> 01:18:35,199
» Yeah.

2111
01:18:35,199 --> 01:18:38,320
>> How about a quarter this year?

2112
01:18:38,320 --> 01:18:40,320
>> 10%.

2113
01:18:40,320 --> 01:18:42,159
Do I hear 10%.

2114
01:18:42,159 --> 01:18:44,320
>> I think I'm hearing zero. So,

2115
01:18:44,320 --> 01:18:48,000
>> all right. But I I will hold that. Let's

2116
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:50,000
>> Yeah, I think that's smart.

2117
01:18:50,000 --> 01:18:51,600
>> Okay.

2118
01:18:51,600 --> 01:18:55,510
>> In favor.

2119
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:58,239
» I saved the budget amendment by the way.

2120
01:18:58,239 --> 01:18:59,760
>> Good.

2121
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:01,360
>> Okay. Now we're on D.

2122
01:19:01,360 --> 01:19:03,440
>> Motion to this is for the next one.

2123
01:19:03,440 --> 01:19:04,880
Okay. Miss Miss May.

2124
01:19:04,880 --> 01:19:05,760
>> Motion to approve.

2125
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:07,440
by Miss Vallega.

2126
01:19:07,440 --> 01:19:08,159
Second by

2127
01:19:08,159 --> 01:19:08,640
>> second

2128
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,120
>> Mr. Segridge Miss May.

2129
01:19:11,120 --> 01:19:19,520
>> Um so this is kind of the same idea. My question for Jamie is the

2130
01:19:19,520 --> 01:19:21,199
this is where the green market is,

2131
01:19:21,199 --> 01:19:21,760
right?

2132
01:19:21,760 --> 01:19:22,560
>> That's correct.

2133
01:19:22,560 --> 01:19:25,920
>> Okay. And so the green market's there

2134
01:19:25,920 --> 01:19:28,640
and then the overflow parking for that

2135
01:19:28,640 --> 01:19:32,080
we rent out to the Four Seasons.

2136
01:19:32,080 --> 01:19:35,040
>> Four season. Yep. and and also the

2137
01:19:35,040 --> 01:19:37,280
employ generally the employees maybe of

2138
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:40,080
the of the um

2139
01:19:40,080 --> 01:19:42,239
>> beach some of the beach tenants park

2140
01:19:42,239 --> 01:19:44,640
there as well. I'm I'm I I'm not going

2141
01:19:44,640 --> 01:19:46,480
to lie. I have not driven down there so

2142
01:19:46,480 --> 01:19:48,400
I don't know the condition of this

2143
01:19:48,400 --> 01:19:49,280
horrible.

2144
01:19:49,280 --> 01:19:50,719
>> It's that it's that bad.

2145
01:19:50,719 --> 01:19:53,440
>> It's really bad.

2146
01:19:53,440 --> 01:19:56,080
>> It has a lot of trip hazards which

2147
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:57,440
always make me a nervous wreck during

2148
01:19:57,440 --> 01:19:58,320
green market

2149
01:19:58,320 --> 01:19:59,600
>> because people are walking and you could

2150
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:00,080
just

2151
01:20:00,080 --> 01:20:01,679
>> Yeah, it it is

2152
01:20:01,679 --> 01:20:03,600
>> it's that bad. Okay. Am I I was just

2153
01:20:03,600 --> 01:20:05,679
thinking about of all the roads, this is

2154
01:20:05,679 --> 01:20:09,199
probably one of the least used, but not

2155
01:20:09,199 --> 01:20:10,880
if we're talking about parking, green

2156
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:13,440
market, and all of that is well used.

2157
01:20:13,440 --> 01:20:16,320
>> Okay. Um and and I do kind of agree that

2158
01:20:16,320 --> 01:20:18,400
in the future we should look at this be

2159
01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:21,760
coming out of the beach fund because

2160
01:20:21,760 --> 01:20:23,120
that's where it is and that's what it's

2161
01:20:23,120 --> 01:20:25,520
being used for or even the green market

2162
01:20:25,520 --> 01:20:27,199
money going towards it.

2163
01:20:27,199 --> 01:20:28,480
>> Do you hear that, Glenn?

2164
01:20:28,480 --> 01:20:30,560
>> All seven cents of it.

2165
01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:34,000
>> Making notes. I see him.

2166
01:20:34,000 --> 01:20:36,400
>> It's Oh, I'm sorry. 7,000 or whatever it

2167
01:20:36,400 --> 01:20:39,600
is. Something ridiculous. Um, okay. And

2168
01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:41,920
then my Yeah. So, that's what I have on

2169
01:20:41,920 --> 01:20:43,840
this one. So, just thinking about in the

2170
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:44,480
future.

2171
01:20:44,480 --> 01:20:46,640
>> Agreed. So, we have a motion. We have a

2172
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:49,040
motion in a second. Yes. All in favor?

2173
01:20:49,040 --> 01:20:50,000
>> Oh, Mr. Secretary.

2174
01:20:50,000 --> 01:20:50,880
>> Oh, sorry.

2175
01:20:50,880 --> 01:20:53,520
>> Just for

2176
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:55,760
the lights been on the whole time. Oh,

2177
01:20:55,760 --> 01:21:01,590
Sarah behind your child for one.

2178
01:21:01,600 --> 01:21:03,360
» Um,

2179
01:21:03,360 --> 01:21:06,640
>> so I know I know you brought up um and I

2180
01:21:06,640 --> 01:21:08,640
don't know if it's been solidified um

2181
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,600
that there was some grant money for that

2182
01:21:11,600 --> 01:21:15,760
pier that's on the on the edge of of

2183
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,320
that area, the old old bridge. So, we

2184
01:21:18,320 --> 01:21:20,719
have those empty peers. There was you

2185
01:21:20,719 --> 01:21:22,000
had mentioned some point that there

2186
01:21:22,000 --> 01:21:23,760
might have been grant money to rebuild

2187
01:21:23,760 --> 01:21:24,239
that

2188
01:21:24,239 --> 01:21:24,800
>> here

2189
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:25,920
>> at Old Bridge Park.

2190
01:21:25,920 --> 01:21:26,400
>> Yeah.

2191
01:21:26,400 --> 01:21:27,920
>> No,

2192
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:31,199
he's there's South Bridge.

2193
01:21:31,199 --> 01:21:32,960
>> You're thinking where the docks are.

2194
01:21:32,960 --> 01:21:34,640
>> Yeah. Where the dock the dock is in in

2195
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:35,360
Old Bridge Park.

2196
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:36,880
>> No. Over park across the street where

2197
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:38,640
the green market is. Two separate

2198
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:41,040
property

2199
01:21:41,040 --> 01:21:41,440
off of

2200
01:21:41,440 --> 01:21:42,800
>> there's the boat launch.

2201
01:21:42,800 --> 01:21:45,840
>> There's a missing pier in there in that

2202
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:46,080
park

2203
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:50,149
>> not that we own.

2204
01:21:50,159 --> 01:21:51,120
Bars County.

2205
01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:51,600
>> Yeah,

2206
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:52,960
>> that's on us.

2207
01:21:52,960 --> 01:21:55,120
>> So, there's there's no plan for fixing

2208
01:21:55,120 --> 01:21:55,840
that.

2209
01:21:55,840 --> 01:21:57,600
>> Uh I know the county was working on

2210
01:21:57,600 --> 01:21:58,639
something. I'm not sure what that

2211
01:21:58,639 --> 01:22:01,360
current plan is, but uh but that pier

2212
01:22:01,360 --> 01:22:03,360
was uh that was always

2213
01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:06,080
>> right. So, my my only thought on that is

2214
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:07,199
if the county is going to be bringing

2215
01:22:07,199 --> 01:22:10,239
heavy equipment to fix that,

2216
01:22:10,239 --> 01:22:13,199
could we get them to help fix the

2217
01:22:13,199 --> 01:22:14,800
parking lot because they're bringing

2218
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:16,560
heavy equipment across? And and if that

2219
01:22:16,560 --> 01:22:19,199
was happening in some sort of a near

2220
01:22:19,199 --> 01:22:23,440
time frame, it's a thought because

2221
01:22:23,440 --> 01:22:25,520
>> which pier I'm confused as to where

2222
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:26,480
you're talking about.

2223
01:22:26,480 --> 01:22:29,360
>> So you have you cross the bridge and you

2224
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:31,199
the green market right there,

2225
01:22:31,199 --> 01:22:33,120
>> walk towards the water

2226
01:22:33,120 --> 01:22:35,600
>> and there'll be a concrete footer that's

2227
01:22:35,600 --> 01:22:37,840
about six foot wide and out in front of

2228
01:22:37,840 --> 01:22:40,000
you are brand new pylons

2229
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:41,520
>> and you can just walk off and fall in

2230
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:43,360
the water because the floating dock is

2231
01:22:43,360 --> 01:22:44,960
missing. It was the old floating dock

2232
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:45,679
used to be there,

2233
01:22:45,679 --> 01:22:46,800
>> right? Are they putting Do we know if

2234
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:47,840
they're bringing it back?

2235
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:49,440
>> Uh, they were talking about doing an

2236
01:22:49,440 --> 01:22:51,600
actual fixed dock in that location. I'm

2237
01:22:51,600 --> 01:22:53,679
not sure where that that currently lies.

2238
01:22:53,679 --> 01:22:56,560
That project is I can find out.

2239
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:57,199
>> Um,

2240
01:22:57,199 --> 01:23:00,080
>> yeah, but what about Commissioner Seg's

2241
01:23:00,080 --> 01:23:02,000
suggestion that if if they are going to

2242
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:04,239
be I don't know how heavy equipment it

2243
01:23:04,239 --> 01:23:06,080
is or whether they'd come in by barge,

2244
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:08,239
but could we especially if they were

2245
01:23:08,239 --> 01:23:09,760
bringing an asphalt truck with them,

2246
01:23:09,760 --> 01:23:12,560
could they just drop a little? I I know

2247
01:23:12,560 --> 01:23:13,840
in the past they've always come by

2248
01:23:13,840 --> 01:23:15,760
March. They've had everything.

2249
01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:16,239
>> Well, good.

2250
01:23:16,239 --> 01:23:17,920
>> But again, I'll find out what what the

2251
01:23:17,920 --> 01:23:19,600
latest is on them.

2252
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:22,400
>> Okay. And then just my my my other

2253
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:26,320
comment about the the the park, there's

2254
01:23:26,320 --> 01:23:28,480
been a storage container there

2255
01:23:28,480 --> 01:23:29,280
>> forever.

2256
01:23:29,280 --> 01:23:31,040
markets.

2257
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:32,320
>> Yeah, you shouldn't be there.

2258
01:23:32,320 --> 01:23:34,880
>> I know it's the Green Markets. Um, but

2259
01:23:34,880 --> 01:23:36,639
we literally just told one of our

2260
01:23:36,639 --> 01:23:40,000
tenants that they needed to plant Kucia

2261
01:23:40,000 --> 01:23:43,199
and shield a unsightly storage container

2262
01:23:43,199 --> 01:23:44,880
and this has been sitting there being an

2263
01:23:44,880 --> 01:23:47,280
advertisement for the storage company.

2264
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:48,239
Um,

2265
01:23:48,239 --> 01:23:50,239
>> do you want to know the irony? It's the

2266
01:23:50,239 --> 01:23:52,719
same person is involved with both

2267
01:23:52,719 --> 01:23:54,387
entities

2268
01:23:54,387 --> 01:23:54,560
[clears throat]

2269
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:56,000
>> with both storage

2270
01:23:56,000 --> 01:23:58,159
>> with with the beach club and the green

2271
01:23:58,159 --> 01:24:00,000
market.

2272
01:24:00,000 --> 01:24:02,480
There's one. Carrie Carrie Carrie owns

2273
01:24:02,480 --> 01:24:05,600
the green market.

2274
01:24:05,600 --> 01:24:06,880
>> You may have to

2275
01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:08,080
>> Well, no.

2276
01:24:08,080 --> 01:24:09,679
>> I mentioned that for a number of years.

2277
01:24:09,679 --> 01:24:10,960
>> No. So, I I I would

2278
01:24:10,960 --> 01:24:12,239
>> So, if they want to renew the green

2279
01:24:12,239 --> 01:24:14,159
market, then get rid of that container.

2280
01:24:14,159 --> 01:24:14,960
It's just it's

2281
01:24:14,960 --> 01:24:17,760
>> oral storage. They can't have it now.

2282
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:20,719
>> Or it has to be some sort of a structure

2283
01:24:20,719 --> 01:24:24,159
or sightly or or so on.

2284
01:24:24,159 --> 01:24:24,560
>> Yes.

2285
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:27,760
No. Understood. Um, but I' I'd like

2286
01:24:27,760 --> 01:24:33,679
to get consensus from my colleagues to direct staff to uh affectuate that.

2287
01:24:33,679 --> 01:24:35,040
>> Well, is it part of his We have to look

2288
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:36,159
at the lease. Is it a part of the lease

2289
01:24:36,159 --> 01:24:37,440
that they could have storage there first

2290
01:24:37,440 --> 01:24:39,360
of all because they have a they do have

2291
01:24:39,360 --> 01:24:41,120
a current usage or lease or whatever

2292
01:24:41,120 --> 01:24:41,600
it's called?

2293
01:24:41,600 --> 01:24:43,520
>> I don't remember what their lease can

2294
01:24:43,520 --> 01:24:43,920
look at it.

2295
01:24:43,920 --> 01:24:46,080
>> I just don't remember that.

2296
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:47,600
>> Yeah. But but if it's if it's against

2297
01:24:47,600 --> 01:24:48,960
code, it doesn't really matter if it's

2298
01:24:48,960 --> 01:24:50,239
in the lease. You can't just put

2299
01:24:50,239 --> 01:24:51,760
something that's illegal in a lease and

2300
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:52,800
then have it

2301
01:24:52,800 --> 01:24:55,679
>> count. I I

2302
01:24:55,679 --> 01:24:56,000
>> so

2303
01:24:56,000 --> 01:24:58,080
>> not the first time I've spoken about it.

2304
01:24:58,080 --> 01:25:00,159
>> So my my ask is consensus among my

2305
01:25:00,159 --> 01:25:01,920
colleagues to direct staff that now we

2306
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:03,760
finally do take that step and and fix

2307
01:25:03,760 --> 01:25:04,480
that problem

2308
01:25:04,480 --> 01:25:06,400
>> if it's not against the agreement that

2309
01:25:06,400 --> 01:25:08,000
was previously signed before we got

2310
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:08,880
here.

2311
01:25:08,880 --> 01:25:10,320
>> Even if that doesn't get us in legal

2312
01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:12,400
trouble they should wrap it nothing

2313
01:25:12,400 --> 01:25:12,880
else.

2314
01:25:12,880 --> 01:25:15,360
>> We'll look and we look at that anyway.

2315
01:25:15,360 --> 01:25:17,040
>> They can have storage there. It it just

2316
01:25:17,040 --> 01:25:18,480
I think it just should be up.

2317
01:25:18,480 --> 01:25:22,159
>> Well, we the city

2318
01:25:22,159 --> 01:25:24,400
did

2319
01:25:24,400 --> 01:25:27,679
um Meals on Wheels about just that thing

2320
01:25:27,679 --> 01:25:30,400
in their parking lot and it had to be

2321
01:25:30,400 --> 01:25:34,320
fenced and it and

2322
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:36,800
I have said this for almost the whole

2323
01:25:36,800 --> 01:25:38,000
time they've been up here. It's like it

2324
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:39,679
just it doesn't belong there or it needs

2325
01:25:39,679 --> 01:25:42,239
to be shielded or a fence or something

2326
01:25:42,239 --> 01:25:45,120
because it's we have this rule that you

2327
01:25:45,120 --> 01:25:47,199
can't have these things and there it is

2328
01:25:47,199 --> 01:25:48,960
and it's the cities and it's it goes

2329
01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:50,719
back to that you know what's good for us

2330
01:25:50,719 --> 01:25:52,960
should be great. So I I think you have

2331
01:25:52,960 --> 01:25:54,000
consensus on that one.

2332
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:55,520
>> Yeah. Goose and Gander.

2333
01:25:55,520 --> 01:25:58,960
>> The only restriction on my consent is

2334
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:02,080
can we please please not plantia around

2335
01:26:02,080 --> 01:26:05,199
it? Clusia is not native. Clusia is not

2336
01:26:05,199 --> 01:26:06,880
native. There's way too much of it

2337
01:26:06,880 --> 01:26:10,480
planted in the city and we should not it

2338
01:26:10,480 --> 01:26:13,199
it's and it's it grows like gang busters

2339
01:26:13,199 --> 01:26:14,560
so it's a big maintenance problem.

2340
01:26:14,560 --> 01:26:15,600
>> Yeah, we can't see any

2341
01:26:15,600 --> 01:26:17,840
>> I'm fine with shielding it. Okay,

2342
01:26:17,840 --> 01:26:20,080
Spanish stop or Simpson stop or

2343
01:26:20,080 --> 01:26:20,719
something.

2344
01:26:20,719 --> 01:26:22,480
>> The only thing I want to say about the

2345
01:26:22,480 --> 01:26:24,400
>> All right, let's call the question.

2346
01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:25,920
>> The only thing I would say about the

2347
01:26:25,920 --> 01:26:28,560
Kooia is that it's very good habitat for

2348
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:30,480
nesting birds. They can build nests in

2349
01:26:30,480 --> 01:26:32,320
there very well. Thank you.

2350
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:32,639
>> Um

2351
01:26:32,639 --> 01:26:34,560
>> Okay, so we have we have consensus. We

2352
01:26:34,560 --> 01:26:36,400
have consensus for that. And all in

2353
01:26:36,400 --> 01:26:38,560
favor of the motion, Miss

2354
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:38,880
>> Yes.

2355
01:26:38,880 --> 01:26:40,639
>> for Old Bridge. I

2356
01:26:40,639 --> 01:26:42,239
>> I thank you very much.

2357
01:26:42,239 --> 01:26:44,639
>> Okay.

2358
01:26:44,639 --> 01:26:46,560
>> Do we ever get to meet this evening

2359
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:48,960
lady?

2360
01:26:48,960 --> 01:26:50,880
>> I'd like to meet her.

2361
01:26:50,880 --> 01:26:52,080
>> I can arrange it.

2362
01:26:52,080 --> 01:26:55,510
>> Okay, cool.

2363
01:26:55,520 --> 01:26:58,800
Um, okay. Now, what's up is next is the

2364
01:26:58,800 --> 01:27:01,440
work order 13. The paving lady. She's a

2365
01:27:01,440 --> 01:27:04,400
very busy paving lady. Um, do I have a

2366
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:04,960
motion?

2367
01:27:04,960 --> 01:27:07,280
>> So, I have a motion, but I wanted to

2368
01:27:07,280 --> 01:27:07,679
right

2369
01:27:07,679 --> 01:27:09,360
>> add to it.

2370
01:27:09,360 --> 01:27:13,840
>> Okay. So, motion for all of the above

2371
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:16,080
and

2372
01:27:16,080 --> 01:27:19,440
um 1 Avenue South from

2373
01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:21,280
what's the name of it? What? Golf View

2374
01:27:21,280 --> 01:27:21,679
over

2375
01:27:21,679 --> 01:27:22,719
>> from Lakeside to Golf View.

2376
01:27:22,719 --> 01:27:24,080
>> Lakeside to golf.

2377
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:24,719
>> Yeah. But

2378
01:27:24,719 --> 01:27:26,960
>> I drove it today just on that note. And

2379
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:29,280
once you get past

2380
01:27:29,280 --> 01:27:32,639
uh Golf View, it's it's not bad. It's that first.

2381
01:27:32,639 --> 01:27:34,960
>> Yeah, we spoke earlier, but um yeah,

2382
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:37,120
from Federal to Lakeside, that road's

2383
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:38,480
actually in good condition. And the

2384
01:27:38,480 --> 01:27:40,159
sidewalk, the F- curve is also in good

2385
01:27:40,159 --> 01:27:42,239
condition. So, really just that last

2386
01:27:42,239 --> 01:27:44,000
block from Lakeside

2387
01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:46,239
>> when it goes to Golf View and then just

2388
01:27:46,239 --> 01:27:49,040
hear me out guys when it goes in because

2389
01:27:49,040 --> 01:27:51,360
that's how you get the boats to the boat

2390
01:27:51,360 --> 01:27:54,960
ramp. So past Golf View, can you just

2391
01:27:54,960 --> 01:27:57,440
check and see as you drive from Golf

2392
01:27:57,440 --> 01:28:00,639
View to the ramp if there's a need in

2393
01:28:00,639 --> 01:28:02,080
that little section?

2394
01:28:02,080 --> 01:28:02,880
>> There is.

2395
01:28:02,880 --> 01:28:03,199
>> Yeah.

2396
01:28:03,199 --> 01:28:04,800
>> Right. When you cross over Golf View

2397
01:28:04,800 --> 01:28:05,120
just

2398
01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:07,040
>> that can we can we do that part too?

2399
01:28:07,040 --> 01:28:08,320
>> We were going to extend and this is what

2400
01:28:08,320 --> 01:28:10,000
I mentioned. So basically we're looking

2401
01:28:10,000 --> 01:28:12,719
at a little over $90,000 to do that

2402
01:28:12,719 --> 01:28:13,280
section.

2403
01:28:13,280 --> 01:28:14,960
>> Well, it looks like we have 700,000

2404
01:28:14,960 --> 01:28:15,840
left. So let's

2405
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:17,840
>> No, we have in our CIP that's already

2406
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:20,320
approved for this fiscal year. We had um

2407
01:28:20,320 --> 01:28:22,400
one of the zones we had already budgeted

2408
01:28:22,400 --> 01:28:24,560
for for the golf project. It was four

2409
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:26,239
zones. One of those zones we budgeted

2410
01:28:26,239 --> 01:28:28,400
because when the golf stream before they

2411
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:30,320
come online, we need to redo that entire

2412
01:28:30,320 --> 01:28:31,600
parking lot and everything in front of

2413
01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:33,520
that. This would more than likely come

2414
01:28:33,520 --> 01:28:35,920
out of that pot of money because it's

2415
01:28:35,920 --> 01:28:37,040
part of

2416
01:28:37,040 --> 01:28:39,280
>> and when if you do that part out of that

2417
01:28:39,280 --> 01:28:42,800
pot of money, will it it'll still look

2418
01:28:42,800 --> 01:28:46,000
okay when you do the other part later?

2419
01:28:46,000 --> 01:28:47,120
>> What do you mean? I'm sorry.

2420
01:28:47,120 --> 01:28:50,480
>> So, I'm I'm a little confused.

2421
01:28:50,480 --> 01:28:51,360
Now,

2422
01:28:51,360 --> 01:28:52,800
>> you're looking to add um

2423
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:55,040
>> I'm looking to add First Avenue South

2424
01:28:55,040 --> 01:28:56,880
and I know that it's supposed to be done

2425
01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:58,800
after the Gulf Stream, but that by the

2426
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:01,040
time the Gulf Stream's done,

2427
01:29:01,040 --> 01:29:02,639
>> it'll be need to be done again.

2428
01:29:02,639 --> 01:29:04,880
>> We will have lost boats down in the sink

2429
01:29:04,880 --> 01:29:05,920
holes.

2430
01:29:05,920 --> 01:29:08,320
>> So, I'd like to at least have it done

2431
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:09,440
now as part of this.

2432
01:29:09,440 --> 01:29:11,679
>> So, one of the segments here basically

2433
01:29:11,679 --> 01:29:14,480
ends at First Avenue. So we would

2434
01:29:14,480 --> 01:29:16,080
basically just make that L and bring it

2435
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:18,960
now from Lakeside all the way past Golf

2436
01:29:18,960 --> 01:29:21,280
View into the boat parking area. So that

2437
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:22,719
would be another segment we'd be adding

2438
01:29:22,719 --> 01:29:26,159
on this and we can utilize um some of

2439
01:29:26,159 --> 01:29:27,520
that CIP money.

2440
01:29:27,520 --> 01:29:27,840
>> Okay.

2441
01:29:27,840 --> 01:29:29,440
>> We got our budgeted for one of those

2442
01:29:29,440 --> 01:29:31,440
golf uh golf zones

2443
01:29:31,440 --> 01:29:32,639
>> to do this portion.

2444
01:29:32,639 --> 01:29:32,960
>> Okay.

2445
01:29:32,960 --> 01:29:33,679
>> Right now. Okay.

2446
01:29:33,679 --> 01:29:34,560
>> And then we're just going to have to

2447
01:29:34,560 --> 01:29:36,480
deal with um when the golf stream goes

2448
01:29:36,480 --> 01:29:38,800
into phase two and all that damage is

2449
01:29:38,800 --> 01:29:40,320
done. We're have to deal with the

2450
01:29:40,320 --> 01:29:42,639
contractor and then kind of correct.

2451
01:29:42,639 --> 01:29:43,840
>> Okay.

2452
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:46,000
I'm gonna add Second Avenue South.

2453
01:29:46,000 --> 01:29:47,840
>> I think it's on there. Second Avenue

2454
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:50,480
South from Giew to South Palmway. Don't

2455
01:29:50,480 --> 01:29:53,199
go. All right. Good, good, good, good.

2456
01:29:53,199 --> 01:29:53,600
Thank you.

2457
01:29:53,600 --> 01:29:55,280
>> There's a there's a little map with some

2458
01:29:55,280 --> 01:29:56,400
here.

2459
01:29:56,400 --> 01:29:59,440
>> Can I call the questions?

2460
01:29:59,440 --> 01:30:05,350
>> So, if you look at the First Avenue one,

2461
01:30:05,360 --> 01:30:07,760
» we'll take a

2462
01:30:07,760 --> 01:30:10,560
>> So, you want to We're going from Yeah,

2463
01:30:10,560 --> 01:30:11,920
that's good.

2464
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:14,080
>> Here. So, we're going to add blue here

2465
01:30:14,080 --> 01:30:21,280
and a little bit more over to the end of the white. Yeah. Okay.

2466
01:30:21,280 --> 01:30:23,920
That would make me happy. Mr.

2467
01:30:23,920 --> 01:30:27,270
sandwich.

2468
01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:30,080
» So, if if we're going to be doing South

2469
01:30:30,080 --> 01:30:33,679
Palmway from Lake to First and we're

2470
01:30:33,679 --> 01:30:35,520
doing all the side streets that connect

2471
01:30:35,520 --> 01:30:39,110
to it,

2472
01:30:39,120 --> 01:30:41,199
» that southern half of that is pretty bad

2473
01:30:41,199 --> 01:30:43,600
as well, right? Um and I I know you try

2474
01:30:43,600 --> 01:30:46,000
to southern part of

2475
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,239
>> South Palmway from First Avenue South

2476
01:30:48,239 --> 01:30:49,520
all the way down to Fifth Avenue South.

2477
01:30:49,520 --> 01:30:49,600
Not

2478
01:30:49,600 --> 01:30:51,120
>> as bad as that first one. I understand

2479
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:54,960
that it's not as bad, but

2480
01:30:54,960 --> 01:30:57,199
why are like what is the reason we're

2481
01:30:57,199 --> 01:30:59,440
stopping there versus kind of just

2482
01:30:59,440 --> 01:31:01,040
fixing?

2483
01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:05,120
We're doing 90% of that section.

2484
01:31:05,120 --> 01:31:06,880
What what's the scheduling reason? What

2485
01:31:06,880 --> 01:31:09,520
is it? A budgetary reason like what

2486
01:31:09,520 --> 01:31:12,000
based on PCI and budgetary reason. So we

2487
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:14,719
try to and we run into this all the time

2488
01:31:14,719 --> 01:31:18,159
because there's so much bad roadway that

2489
01:31:18,159 --> 01:31:19,920
there has to be a start point and an end

2490
01:31:19,920 --> 01:31:21,679
point and [clears throat] wherever you

2491
01:31:21,679 --> 01:31:23,280
end there's always questions by the

2492
01:31:23,280 --> 01:31:25,040
people on the next block. Why did you

2493
01:31:25,040 --> 01:31:27,199
stop here? Wherever you start there's

2494
01:31:27,199 --> 01:31:28,800
people on the block before that. Well,

2495
01:31:28,800 --> 01:31:30,239
why did you start there and not back

2496
01:31:30,239 --> 01:31:31,840
here? It's just something that happens

2497
01:31:31,840 --> 01:31:34,560
on every single project we do.

2498
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:39,120
So we base it on PCI and we try to we

2499
01:31:39,120 --> 01:31:41,440
try to segate these off so it kind of

2500
01:31:41,440 --> 01:31:42,560
makes sense as far as like a

2501
01:31:42,560 --> 01:31:44,239
mobilization standpoint. So we're not

2502
01:31:44,239 --> 01:31:46,000
paying for multiple modes. You kind of

2503
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:48,000
knock out what you can in a certain area

2504
01:31:48,000 --> 01:31:50,639
and then move on. Um so it was just kind

2505
01:31:50,639 --> 01:31:52,480
of based on how many blocks we could do

2506
01:31:52,480 --> 01:31:54,239
with a certain segment of money before

2507
01:31:54,239 --> 01:31:57,280
we can move on to the next.

2508
01:31:57,280 --> 01:31:59,679
And so the South Gulf Road is going to

2509
01:31:59,679 --> 01:32:02,960
be taken care of with the um the

2510
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:05,360
Gulfream funds.

2511
01:32:05,360 --> 01:32:07,120
>> Yeah, we'd be looking for just that

2512
01:32:07,120 --> 01:32:10,560
block of First Avenue South from G or

2513
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:14,159
from Lakeside developing a little beyond

2514
01:32:14,159 --> 01:32:16,000
east side of golf here in the parking

2515
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:17,120
lot.

2516
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:19,440
>> My my my concern with that is I I

2517
01:32:19,440 --> 01:32:20,639
understand the logic in doing that,

2518
01:32:20,639 --> 01:32:23,360
right? there's there's obviously a

2519
01:32:23,360 --> 01:32:26,000
optimal algorithm to to figure out

2520
01:32:26,000 --> 01:32:28,480
exactly, you know, how how best to do

2521
01:32:28,480 --> 01:32:31,199
it. But then I think we also need to

2522
01:32:31,199 --> 01:32:33,280
weigh it against are we just

2523
01:32:33,280 --> 01:32:36,000
perpetuating a patchwork.

2524
01:32:36,000 --> 01:32:38,719
So, the example I'll use, if you run an

2525
01:32:38,719 --> 01:32:40,880
apartment building and you get a call

2526
01:32:40,880 --> 01:32:43,120
from a tenant about there being a light

2527
01:32:43,120 --> 01:32:45,040
out in the hallway,

2528
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:47,040
it's far cheaper at that point to go

2529
01:32:47,040 --> 01:32:50,560
replace all of those lights all at once

2530
01:32:50,560 --> 01:32:52,159
because then you're on a schedule. It's

2531
01:32:52,159 --> 01:32:54,239
one visit. You go, you do it and so on

2532
01:32:54,239 --> 01:32:56,719
because over time, you're going to have

2533
01:32:56,719 --> 01:32:58,080
light going out every week and then

2534
01:32:58,080 --> 01:32:58,960
you're going to have to keep coming

2535
01:32:58,960 --> 01:33:01,760
back, coming back, coming back. Looking

2536
01:33:01,760 --> 01:33:04,880
at this map, it seems like we've

2537
01:33:04,880 --> 01:33:06,000
replaced

2538
01:33:06,000 --> 01:33:08,159
90% of it, but we could have a clean

2539
01:33:08,159 --> 01:33:09,679
block,

2540
01:33:09,679 --> 01:33:12,480
a clean divider from Lake all the way to

2541
01:33:12,480 --> 01:33:14,719
Fifth Avenue South, which is another

2542
01:33:14,719 --> 01:33:17,199
major divider, and take care of that

2543
01:33:17,199 --> 01:33:19,520
whole one section. And then it's all at

2544
01:33:19,520 --> 01:33:22,159
the same age, all at the same condition.

2545
01:33:22,159 --> 01:33:24,000
Um,

2546
01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:28,000
versus having roads.

2547
01:33:28,000 --> 01:33:30,719
The first block of it great, then it's

2548
01:33:30,719 --> 01:33:33,280
bombed out and then the third block of

2549
01:33:33,280 --> 01:33:35,600
it is taken care of.

2550
01:33:35,600 --> 01:33:37,120
>> That's an unfortunate commissioner.

2551
01:33:37,120 --> 01:33:38,639
That's literally the entire city in the

2552
01:33:38,639 --> 01:33:39,760
way that everything's segmented.

2553
01:33:39,760 --> 01:33:41,760
>> No, I I I understand it's it's it's the

2554
01:33:41,760 --> 01:33:44,880
entire city, but a lot of that has to do

2555
01:33:44,880 --> 01:33:47,440
with the fact that we're only plugging

2556
01:33:47,440 --> 01:33:50,159
the holes that are in in the most need

2557
01:33:50,159 --> 01:33:52,880
of it versus having a strategy for

2558
01:33:52,880 --> 01:33:54,719
future maintenance.

2559
01:33:54,719 --> 01:33:56,480
>> You know, I I would I would have to

2560
01:33:56,480 --> 01:33:57,679
think

2561
01:33:57,679 --> 01:33:59,360
In a perfect world, you had unlimited

2562
01:33:59,360 --> 01:34:04,480
money and you were able to go ahead and do this. It would be far easier to

2563
01:34:04,480 --> 01:34:07,199
take care of this whole section at once

2564
01:34:07,199 --> 01:34:10,080
every 10 years or whatever whatever it

2565
01:34:10,080 --> 01:34:13,760
is than to have to do a block over here,

2566
01:34:13,760 --> 01:34:15,679
a block over there, a block over here, a

2567
01:34:15,679 --> 01:34:17,199
block over there, which is where we're

2568
01:34:17,199 --> 01:34:19,760
at. But at some point, I think kind of

2569
01:34:19,760 --> 01:34:22,239
that insanity has to stop. as as long as

2570
01:34:22,239 --> 01:34:23,600
your underground utilities are

2571
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:25,679
cooperating with you and you you can

2572
01:34:25,679 --> 01:34:27,360
actually do large swaps. Obviously, that

2573
01:34:27,360 --> 01:34:29,120
would be a perfect world. That would be

2574
01:34:29,120 --> 01:34:31,120
ideal. It's just unfortunately the way

2575
01:34:31,120 --> 01:34:32,639
that that everything's been done over

2576
01:34:32,639 --> 01:34:34,960
the decades. You kind of are addressing

2577
01:34:34,960 --> 01:34:36,239
roads that have been done at different

2578
01:34:36,239 --> 01:34:38,800
times and utility issues that are

2579
01:34:38,800 --> 01:34:41,440
happening in different locations um that

2580
01:34:41,440 --> 01:34:43,280
have to be repaired at different times.

2581
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:45,679
Um so, we are kind of jumping around,

2582
01:34:45,679 --> 01:34:47,440
but we try to knock out as much as we

2583
01:34:47,440 --> 01:34:48,800
can in a certain area

2584
01:34:48,800 --> 01:34:51,199
>> based on what we have budget. But yeah,

2585
01:34:51,199 --> 01:34:53,600
perfect world and all our ground

2586
01:34:53,600 --> 01:34:54,960
utilities are perfect. Yeah, you would

2587
01:34:54,960 --> 01:34:58,639
want to do large sections at time

2588
01:34:58,639 --> 01:35:00,080
>> and a lot of streets are worse shape

2589
01:35:00,080 --> 01:35:02,719
than that section.

2590
01:35:02,719 --> 01:35:03,760
>> Yeah.

2591
01:35:03,760 --> 01:35:05,840
>> They literally stopped on my street at

2592
01:35:05,840 --> 01:35:07,280
Fifth Avenue and they could have went

2593
01:35:07,280 --> 01:35:09,920
one more block six which was a main road

2594
01:35:09,920 --> 01:35:12,000
and they stopped.

2595
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:14,400
No, I I I I understand it's it's what we

2596
01:35:14,400 --> 01:35:16,880
do for opt

2597
01:35:16,880 --> 01:35:18,960
optimal, but but I think I think at some

2598
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:20,960
point, you know, especially now we're

2599
01:35:20,960 --> 01:35:24,639
looking at eating away at at that

2600
01:35:24,639 --> 01:35:26,719
deficit, right, the deferred maintenance

2601
01:35:26,719 --> 01:35:28,960
deficit.

2602
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:31,040
I think we need a strategy that isn't

2603
01:35:31,040 --> 01:35:32,960
just based on the optimal hole to plug

2604
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:35,679
at that optimal time, but also thinking

2605
01:35:35,679 --> 01:35:37,440
about

2606
01:35:37,440 --> 01:35:38,719
>> I think that's the whole purpose of

2607
01:35:38,719 --> 01:35:41,360
>> the master plan. It's part of the it'll

2608
01:35:41,360 --> 01:35:42,880
be part of the overall master plan and

2609
01:35:42,880 --> 01:35:44,320
kind of laying these projects out. Same

2610
01:35:44,320 --> 01:35:46,080
thing the coordination with utilities

2611
01:35:46,080 --> 01:35:48,000
making sure that what we're doing you're

2612
01:35:48,000 --> 01:35:50,320
knocking out sections and also taking

2613
01:35:50,320 --> 01:35:51,600
care of your internet utilities at the

2614
01:35:51,600 --> 01:35:53,280
same time.

2615
01:35:53,280 --> 01:35:55,360
So

2616
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:56,880
the other part that kind of goes along

2617
01:35:56,880 --> 01:35:59,600
with that is there are going to be a

2618
01:35:59,600 --> 01:36:01,360
large quantity of roadways where it's

2619
01:36:01,360 --> 01:36:03,040
more than just a millime surface which

2620
01:36:03,040 --> 01:36:04,239
is obviously a complete different

2621
01:36:04,239 --> 01:36:06,159
operation than the areas where we have

2622
01:36:06,159 --> 01:36:08,880
to complete reconstruction rebuild which

2623
01:36:08,880 --> 01:36:10,800
is now you're now touching your subgrade

2624
01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:12,960
and your and your base um which is

2625
01:36:12,960 --> 01:36:16,000
completely different operation.

2626
01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:18,080
Sidewalks and curving on all the roads

2627
01:36:18,080 --> 01:36:19,520
that need to be done. It's pretty much

2628
01:36:19,520 --> 01:36:20,800
most of them the road hasn't been

2629
01:36:20,800 --> 01:36:24,310
touched in quite a while.

2630
01:36:24,320 --> 01:36:25,040
Yeah, we do.

2631
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:26,800
>> So, so obviously the operation and the

2632
01:36:26,800 --> 01:36:28,239
actual treatment of the roadway itself

2633
01:36:28,239 --> 01:36:32,950
depending on what that is that also.

2634
01:36:32,960 --> 01:36:34,560
» I'm looking at the north lakeside from

2635
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:36,560
Lucern to Second Avenue North. There are

2636
01:36:36,560 --> 01:36:39,679
people on Lakeside like fourth, fifth,

2637
01:36:39,679 --> 01:36:42,960
sixth that have been dogging me to have,

2638
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:44,880
you know, their street. They're going to

2639
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:46,960
be unhappy when it starts at second, it

2640
01:36:46,960 --> 01:36:48,480
stops at second. Same thing. I mean, you

2641
01:36:48,480 --> 01:36:50,320
just you do what you have to do,

2642
01:36:50,320 --> 01:36:54,080
>> right? Oh, and Madame Mayor, uh, I need

2643
01:36:54,080 --> 01:36:56,000
to have,

2644
01:36:56,000 --> 01:36:59,199
uh, Mrs. Cata come up and help with the

2645
01:36:59,199 --> 01:37:01,119
motion. We need to, since we're adding a

2646
01:37:01,119 --> 01:37:02,960
section here, um, I prefer not to have

2647
01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:04,719
to come back with an amendment since

2648
01:37:04,719 --> 01:37:07,199
that's not part of the current contract

2649
01:37:07,199 --> 01:37:10,550
with them.

2650
01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:13,440
» We're doing it the right way.

2651
01:37:13,440 --> 01:37:15,040
>> I am I am.

2652
01:37:15,040 --> 01:37:17,760
>> So, if we can revise the motion to

2653
01:37:17,760 --> 01:37:19,280
include which street was it?

2654
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:21,840
>> First Avenue South. First Avenue from

2655
01:37:21,840 --> 01:37:25,040
>> to revise the work uh to approve the

2656
01:37:25,040 --> 01:37:28,320
revised work order to include that

2657
01:37:28,320 --> 01:37:31,280
street for and you said 90,000

2658
01:37:31,280 --> 01:37:32,800
>> y for 90,000

2659
01:37:32,800 --> 01:37:36,239
>> for 90,000. So maybe up uh for

2660
01:37:36,239 --> 01:37:39,679
>> the total up to 1,210.

2661
01:37:39,679 --> 01:37:41,280
So that's going to be just a little bit

2662
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:42,480
over 90,000.

2663
01:37:42,480 --> 01:37:46,320
>> Oh that okay not to exceed 1,2

2664
01:37:46,320 --> 01:37:48,400
>> 210. That's going to be just a little

2665
01:37:48,400 --> 01:37:51,920
bit over 90,000. Okay.

2666
01:37:51,920 --> 01:37:54,320
>> And then we will revise the work order,

2667
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:56,560
add the additional street and and have

2668
01:37:56,560 --> 01:37:56,960
it

2669
01:37:56,960 --> 01:37:59,040
>> So number nine will be third first

2670
01:37:59,040 --> 01:38:02,000
Avenue South between we said Lakeside

2671
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:05,350
and Gio.

2672
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:05,920
» Okay.

2673
01:38:05,920 --> 01:38:07,199
>> All right. Do you agree with that

2674
01:38:07,199 --> 01:38:08,000
amendment?

2675
01:38:08,000 --> 01:38:09,840
>> I I do agree with the amendment.

2676
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:12,960
>> I seconded it. Yes.

2677
01:38:12,960 --> 01:38:15,360
>> I wasn't talking.

2678
01:38:15,360 --> 01:38:17,679
was wait

2679
01:38:17,679 --> 01:38:19,600
and

2680
01:38:19,600 --> 01:38:20,239
say thank you.

2681
01:38:20,239 --> 01:38:22,560
>> I saw at the corner of my eyes and I

2682
01:38:22,560 --> 01:38:23,360
thought maybe

2683
01:38:23,360 --> 01:38:26,239
>> okay we're calling the question

2684
01:38:26,239 --> 01:38:27,760
Mr.

2685
01:38:27,760 --> 01:38:30,159
>> My comment could be right after it. So

2686
01:38:30,159 --> 01:38:31,199
>> after we vote

2687
01:38:31,199 --> 01:38:32,320
>> yeah it doesn't relate.

2688
01:38:32,320 --> 01:38:33,520
>> All in favor I

2689
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:34,159
>> I

2690
01:38:34,159 --> 01:38:34,880
>> thank you.

2691
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:36,960
Thank you Valentina. Thank

2692
01:38:36,960 --> 01:38:38,800
you Jamie. Thank you.

2693
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:41,520
>> Request to my colleagues is just as we

2694
01:38:41,520 --> 01:38:44,080
remember this this optimization project

2695
01:38:44,080 --> 01:38:45,600
process

2696
01:38:45,600 --> 01:38:47,520
has a lot to do with the underground

2697
01:38:47,520 --> 01:38:49,360
utilities

2698
01:38:49,360 --> 01:38:50,880
particularly with the storm water

2699
01:38:50,880 --> 01:38:52,800
drains. Those are the ones that from

2700
01:38:52,800 --> 01:38:54,560
what Von told me are the ones that are

2701
01:38:54,560 --> 01:38:57,119
most guilty of leaking causing problems

2702
01:38:57,119 --> 01:39:00,000
to the sub. And the pro, one of the

2703
01:39:00,000 --> 01:39:02,560
problems is that we do not have that

2704
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:03,920
those leaks

2705
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:07,280
>> and that system mapped out in GIS

2706
01:39:07,280 --> 01:39:07,600
>> because

2707
01:39:07,600 --> 01:39:09,679
>> Jamie is going to have an awesome GIS

2708
01:39:09,679 --> 01:39:12,159
system for the PCI, but we don't have

2709
01:39:12,159 --> 01:39:14,159
the matching underneath. And it's also

2710
01:39:14,159 --> 01:39:16,400
technically more difficult to map

2711
01:39:16,400 --> 01:39:17,760
>> because you're underground. You can't

2712
01:39:17,760 --> 01:39:18,159
get

2713
01:39:18,159 --> 01:39:20,560
>> But we just approved her truck with the

2714
01:39:20,560 --> 01:39:20,880
camera.

2715
01:39:20,880 --> 01:39:23,760
>> So, let's just keep that focus and make

2716
01:39:23,760 --> 01:39:25,360
sure that she gets what they need to get

2717
01:39:25,360 --> 01:39:27,440
that mapping done. You could just follow

2718
01:39:27,440 --> 01:39:29,199
the sink holes,

2719
01:39:29,199 --> 01:39:31,840
>> the sinkhole, but you it's a lot more

2720
01:39:31,840 --> 01:39:34,320
manual to turn it into a JS. Eventually,

2721
01:39:34,320 --> 01:39:35,199
we'll get there.

2722
01:39:35,199 --> 01:39:37,360
>> And ideally, hopefully a lot of those

2723
01:39:37,360 --> 01:39:39,360
can be lined and not actually need to be

2724
01:39:39,360 --> 01:39:39,920
trenched.

2725
01:39:39,920 --> 01:39:42,080
>> Exactly. But they still you got to map

2726
01:39:42,080 --> 01:39:43,440
them before you can

2727
01:39:43,440 --> 01:39:43,840
>> correct

2728
01:39:43,840 --> 01:39:45,920
>> do the full overlay.

2729
01:39:45,920 --> 01:39:47,679
>> So,

2730
01:39:47,679 --> 01:39:49,760
>> well, we have to commission these are

2731
01:39:49,760 --> 01:39:51,600
reports and

2732
01:39:51,600 --> 01:39:53,920
>> and we did vote 50. Yes.

2733
01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:59,910
>> Yeah, we did. Yes, we did.

2734
01:39:59,920 --> 01:40:04,629
waving waving my

2735
01:40:04,639 --> 01:40:06,239
» I think he needs to go. Go ahead.

2736
01:40:06,239 --> 01:40:07,520
>> Okay.

2737
01:40:07,520 --> 01:40:10,400
>> We'll start with just

2738
01:40:10,400 --> 01:40:18,870
Oh, you're going to hear the rap.

2739
01:40:18,880 --> 01:40:20,159
» Okay. District three.

2740
01:40:20,159 --> 01:40:23,600
>> District three. Um there is a eaten

2741
01:40:23,600 --> 01:40:25,840
place meeting tomorrow night at Pomona

2742
01:40:25,840 --> 01:40:29,040
at 6:30 if anybody's interested in that.

2743
01:40:29,040 --> 01:40:35,040
They are newly um reformed and they are thriving and doing well and

2744
01:40:35,040 --> 01:40:37,760
very excited to be um a functioning

2745
01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:41,440
neighborhood association again. Um

2746
01:40:41,440 --> 01:40:43,840
College Park and Tropical Ridge both

2747
01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:46,000
meet on Monday nights. So that will be

2748
01:40:46,000 --> 01:40:50,239
Monday the 3rd at um one is at Pomona,

2749
01:40:50,239 --> 01:40:53,119
one is at uh not Pomona, Irish Brigade

2750
01:40:53,119 --> 01:40:56,239
and the other one is at Compass. Um both

2751
01:40:56,239 --> 01:40:59,199
meet around 6:30 and um so that'll be

2752
01:40:59,199 --> 01:41:02,000
Monday night uh the first Monday of the

2753
01:41:02,000 --> 01:41:06,320
month. So that's those three. Um, Mango

2754
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:08,719
I believe is the third Wednesday of the

2755
01:41:08,719 --> 01:41:11,760
month and um,

2756
01:41:11,760 --> 01:41:15,679
Eden Place is not Eden Place. Um, Parrot

2757
01:41:15,679 --> 01:41:18,159
Cove, do you remember Anthony

2758
01:41:18,159 --> 01:41:22,790
since we shared Parrot Cove?

2759
01:41:22,800 --> 01:41:26,159
Okay. Well, we can look at that. Um, the

2760
01:41:26,159 --> 01:41:29,760
Oh, okay. And the um

2761
01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:32,159
uh NAPC meeting is this Saturday, which

2762
01:41:32,159 --> 01:41:34,719
means I will be late for the backpack

2763
01:41:34,719 --> 01:41:36,960
giveaway. Um I will be at the NAPC

2764
01:41:36,960 --> 01:41:38,159
meeting. It'll be the first meeting

2765
01:41:38,159 --> 01:41:40,639
we've had since the 4th of July. So I'll

2766
01:41:40,639 --> 01:41:44,960
bring updates um from uh NAPC.

2767
01:41:44,960 --> 01:41:46,880
Uh let's see. We went with the

2768
01:41:46,880 --> 01:41:50,480
firefighters to pack backpacks um

2769
01:41:50,480 --> 01:41:52,960
>> for 36,000 of them. So that was pretty

2770
01:41:52,960 --> 01:41:55,040
fun. Um

2771
01:41:55,040 --> 01:41:59,040
and I have a meeting on th or Friday

2772
01:41:59,040 --> 01:42:03,280
with uh Mr. Perry as well talking to

2773
01:42:03,280 --> 01:42:07,679
um some folks regarding the

2774
01:42:07,679 --> 01:42:10,000
immigration crisis going on. So I'm

2775
01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:11,360
going to find out some more information

2776
01:42:11,360 --> 01:42:15,679
about that. And I am sad to report and

2777
01:42:15,679 --> 01:42:17,520
this is I'm I'm pulling my foy here but

2778
01:42:17,520 --> 01:42:19,199
I really think it's terrible that the

2779
01:42:19,199 --> 01:42:22,960
TPS for um hate the Haitians

2780
01:42:22,960 --> 01:42:26,080
>> has been um ended. So that's going to

2781
01:42:26,080 --> 01:42:28,960
really affect our community as well.

2782
01:42:28,960 --> 01:42:33,520
>> Um so but that is I more national news

2783
01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:35,520
than I usually report but it is kind of

2784
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:37,280
heartbreaking. The other thing is,

2785
01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:40,000
again, I will just repeat, please go

2786
01:42:40,000 --> 01:42:42,159
outside. If you have a sidewalk, please

2787
01:42:42,159 --> 01:42:43,920
walk down your sidewalk and please see

2788
01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:47,440
if your bushes cover the sidewalk so

2789
01:42:47,440 --> 01:42:49,119
that your neighbors when they go for a

2790
01:42:49,119 --> 01:42:51,280
nice walk that they c cannot walk in

2791
01:42:51,280 --> 01:42:53,679
front of your house. In addition, if you

2792
01:42:53,679 --> 01:42:56,000
have a driveway, but your car is parked

2793
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:58,320
so that you cannot walk from one side of

2794
01:42:58,320 --> 01:42:59,840
the sidewalk to the other side of the

2795
01:42:59,840 --> 01:43:02,000
sidewalk, that also is a problem. So,

2796
01:43:02,000 --> 01:43:04,159
please check that as well. Thank you,

2797
01:43:04,159 --> 01:43:07,199
Mr. Segridge.

2798
01:43:07,199 --> 01:43:10,320
Must be nice to have sidewalks.

2799
01:43:10,320 --> 01:43:12,159
>> Oh, might be must be nice to have a

2800
01:43:12,159 --> 01:43:13,760
beautiful island in the middle of your

2801
01:43:13,760 --> 01:43:15,199
street that decorated.

2802
01:43:15,199 --> 01:43:16,960
>> No, no, let's not.

2803
01:43:16,960 --> 01:43:17,520
>> Right.

2804
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:19,199
>> Must be nice to have a little

2805
01:43:19,199 --> 01:43:20,239
>> It is very nice

2806
01:43:20,239 --> 01:43:22,960
>> if I had a It must be nice to have a

2807
01:43:22,960 --> 01:43:25,541
house with closets

2808
01:43:25,541 --> 01:43:26,639
[laughter]

2809
01:43:26,639 --> 01:43:29,360
>> and a second.

2810
01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:34,480
Um so um wanted to re remind everyone

2811
01:43:34,480 --> 01:43:37,280
out there that we we do have board um

2812
01:43:37,280 --> 01:43:39,760
positions opening up. We we have one for

2813
01:43:39,760 --> 01:43:42,239
the planning and zoning board, but it

2814
01:43:42,239 --> 01:43:45,760
does not mean just apply for that. Um

2815
01:43:45,760 --> 01:43:47,840
you can apply for any of our boards at

2816
01:43:47,840 --> 01:43:49,600
any time and the clerk will keep your

2817
01:43:49,600 --> 01:43:51,600
information on record and when openings

2818
01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:54,480
come up they'll contact you. It's a

2819
01:43:54,480 --> 01:43:57,600
great way a great way. Yeah. for one

2820
01:43:57,600 --> 01:43:59,040
year. It's a great way to get involved

2821
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:01,119
in the city and and make a difference.

2822
01:44:01,119 --> 01:44:03,440
Um and I really would encourage um

2823
01:44:03,440 --> 01:44:06,080
anyone who who wants to do so to to join

2824
01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:09,199
a board. Um

2825
01:44:09,199 --> 01:44:12,480
on the topic of boards, um we we did

2826
01:44:12,480 --> 01:44:15,679
have uh a lot of good discussion um a

2827
01:44:15,679 --> 01:44:17,840
couple months back um when we went over

2828
01:44:17,840 --> 01:44:22,000
our board policy. Um, and I had thought

2829
01:44:22,000 --> 01:44:25,040
we had discussed the the topic of um,

2830
01:44:25,040 --> 01:44:27,040
attendance and and how we were recording

2831
01:44:27,040 --> 01:44:30,000
that, but I guess um, at least what I

2832
01:44:30,000 --> 01:44:32,320
thought wasn't as solidified.

2833
01:44:32,320 --> 01:44:34,719
Um, and the one particular topic on it

2834
01:44:34,719 --> 01:44:37,360
is when a board meeting needs to be

2835
01:44:37,360 --> 01:44:39,840
cancelled because there aren't enough

2836
01:44:39,840 --> 01:44:41,600
members.

2837
01:44:41,600 --> 01:44:44,560
Um myself personally, I feel that those

2838
01:44:44,560 --> 01:44:46,639
members that could not attend that

2839
01:44:46,639 --> 01:44:49,440
caused the board meeting to be cancelled

2840
01:44:49,440 --> 01:44:52,560
should be marked as absent. Um I thought

2841
01:44:52,560 --> 01:44:55,840
that was that

2842
01:44:55,840 --> 01:44:57,679
>> I thought that I thought that's what we

2843
01:44:57,679 --> 01:45:01,119
had agreed to, but we did apparently we

2844
01:45:01,119 --> 01:45:03,600
kind of talked around it and never had

2845
01:45:03,600 --> 01:45:06,560
consensus. So

2846
01:45:06,560 --> 01:45:08,560
>> if they cancel the meeting because you

2847
01:45:08,560 --> 01:45:11,280
can't be there, then you get marked as

2848
01:45:11,280 --> 01:45:12,960
absent but nobody else does.

2849
01:45:12,960 --> 01:45:13,760
>> Correct. Nobody

2850
01:45:13,760 --> 01:45:15,840
>> because it's your cause. It's your the

2851
01:45:15,840 --> 01:45:18,239
reason is you didn't show up.

2852
01:45:18,239 --> 01:45:21,600
>> I mean we as it as it exists today. If

2853
01:45:21,600 --> 01:45:23,840
three of the members don't show up and

2854
01:45:23,840 --> 01:45:26,159
that causes the meeting to be cancelled,

2855
01:45:26,159 --> 01:45:28,480
those three members get a freebie. They

2856
01:45:28,480 --> 01:45:30,480
don't get marked as absent.

2857
01:45:30,480 --> 01:45:32,159
>> But normally they do know ahead of time

2858
01:45:32,159 --> 01:45:34,080
if there's not going to be a quorum. And

2859
01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:37,360
there are excused absences. I mean, if

2860
01:45:37,360 --> 01:45:38,719
you know, if you're in the hospital, I

2861
01:45:38,719 --> 01:45:41,760
don't think you should be

2862
01:45:41,760 --> 01:45:43,840
>> Yeah, you get marked, but you have

2863
01:45:43,840 --> 01:45:45,520
>> limit how many times you can react.

2864
01:45:45,520 --> 01:45:48,239
>> Correct. But we do but we do have some

2865
01:45:48,239 --> 01:45:55,840
boards that have had problems of even meeting and

2866
01:45:55,840 --> 01:45:59,520
>> similar people were making up the people

2867
01:45:59,520 --> 01:46:03,040
who were missing. So, I wanted to to

2868
01:46:03,040 --> 01:46:05,280
get direction or consensus to basically

2869
01:46:05,280 --> 01:46:07,440
say if you're one of the members that is

2870
01:46:07,440 --> 01:46:09,440
causing a meeting to be cancelled by

2871
01:46:09,440 --> 01:46:11,600
your absence, that is an absence. And I

2872
01:46:11,600 --> 01:46:13,040
wanted to just clarify that for the

2873
01:46:13,040 --> 01:46:14,320
clerk.

2874
01:46:14,320 --> 01:46:17,199
>> As long as there

2875
01:46:17,199 --> 01:46:23,830
>> Thank you, Mr. McCoy. As long as there

2876
01:46:23,840 --> 01:46:27,119
» Mr. Mcy, can you speak into your mic?

2877
01:46:27,119 --> 01:46:28,800
>> Hey, Mr. Mcoy, would you speak into your

2878
01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:31,520
mic, please? I I will talk to Mr. McCoy

2879
01:46:31,520 --> 01:46:33,679
and see if we can't arrange that.

2880
01:46:33,679 --> 01:46:36,000
>> I appreciate you.

2881
01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:38,560
>> As long as what the mayor mentioned that

2882
01:46:38,560 --> 01:46:41,280
there are some absences that are, you

2883
01:46:41,280 --> 01:46:43,280
know, yes, if you're in the hospital or,

2884
01:46:43,280 --> 01:46:45,600
you know, family emergency or you know,

2885
01:46:45,600 --> 01:46:47,600
there are a number of small number of

2886
01:46:47,600 --> 01:46:49,920
things that might be very legitimate

2887
01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:52,719
>> and that shouldn't be penalized. I don't

2888
01:46:52,719 --> 01:46:55,360
think

2889
01:46:55,360 --> 01:46:57,920
>> we're asking at least I wanted to add

2890
01:46:57,920 --> 01:47:00,080
>> I think this may wants to speak again.

2891
01:47:00,080 --> 01:47:02,639
>> I just wanted to add to the to what Mr.

2892
01:47:02,639 --> 01:47:05,119
Mvoy was saying. So they have the

2893
01:47:05,119 --> 01:47:09,040
ability to be absent I believe twice

2894
01:47:09,040 --> 01:47:11,760
>> 25%

2895
01:47:11,760 --> 01:47:12,800
20%

2896
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:14,800
>> thought it was three times in a 12 month

2897
01:47:14,800 --> 01:47:15,520
period.

2898
01:47:15,520 --> 01:47:16,960
>> Okay. So it depends on the board. So

2899
01:47:16,960 --> 01:47:18,480
let's say you have two or three freebie

2900
01:47:18,480 --> 01:47:20,000
absences if you're in the hospital that

2901
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:22,400
counts as one.

2902
01:47:22,400 --> 01:47:24,080
So, I don't know that excused or

2903
01:47:24,080 --> 01:47:27,040
inexcused matters when you already have

2904
01:47:27,040 --> 01:47:31,040
the ability to be absent.

2905
01:47:31,040 --> 01:47:31,920
>> Do you know what I mean?

2906
01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:35,360
>> We we we might want to revisit that.

2907
01:47:35,360 --> 01:47:37,920
>> If it comes up, we could revisit, but as

2908
01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:40,800
far as a general general thing, if if

2909
01:47:40,800 --> 01:47:43,600
there's no quorum and but nobody gets

2910
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:47,520
marked absent, that just seems

2911
01:47:47,520 --> 01:47:49,520
>> I mean, I understand the logic. Well,

2912
01:47:49,520 --> 01:47:50,960
there wasn't a meeting, so there wasn't

2913
01:47:50,960 --> 01:47:52,320
a, you know, you're not absent to a

2914
01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:53,679
meeting, then it didn't happen. But if

2915
01:47:53,679 --> 01:47:55,040
you're the reason that the

2916
01:47:55,040 --> 01:47:57,280
>> right like if we all showed up, if we

2917
01:47:57,280 --> 01:47:58,560
were all supposed to be here, but only

2918
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:00,080
two of us showed up, the three that

2919
01:48:00,080 --> 01:48:01,760
didn't come should be marked absent

2920
01:48:01,760 --> 01:48:03,920
>> or or at least no candy for them or

2921
01:48:03,920 --> 01:48:04,560
something.

2922
01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:06,159
>> But what if they're in the hospital?

2923
01:48:06,159 --> 01:48:08,400
>> Well, that's fine, but then they that's

2924
01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:10,880
one of their absences.

2925
01:48:10,880 --> 01:48:13,280
>> Yeah, that that part I don't agree with.

2926
01:48:13,280 --> 01:48:14,639
>> I don't agree with that. I'm sorry. I

2927
01:48:14,639 --> 01:48:16,159
mean, sometimes things come. There are

2928
01:48:16,159 --> 01:48:18,000
people that have I'm aware of the fact

2929
01:48:18,000 --> 01:48:19,840
that there are people that chronically

2930
01:48:19,840 --> 01:48:21,040
just don't show up.

2931
01:48:21,040 --> 01:48:22,080
>> Yeah.

2932
01:48:22,080 --> 01:48:24,080
>> Um, if they meet their 20%, they should

2933
01:48:24,080 --> 01:48:25,920
be on.

2934
01:48:25,920 --> 01:48:27,440
>> So, I don't I don't want didn't want to

2935
01:48:27,440 --> 01:48:29,440
re rewrite the whole policy, but just

2936
01:48:29,440 --> 01:48:31,679
clarifying the the one particular

2937
01:48:31,679 --> 01:48:36,000
section that and and the question was

2938
01:48:36,000 --> 01:48:37,600
if you're the reason a meeting gets

2939
01:48:37,600 --> 01:48:39,119
cancelled because you can't be there,

2940
01:48:39,119 --> 01:48:40,400
that should count as one of your

2941
01:48:40,400 --> 01:48:40,880
absence.

2942
01:48:40,880 --> 01:48:41,600
>> Yes. You have consent.

2943
01:48:41,600 --> 01:48:43,440
>> I Yeah, I would think I I would agree.

2944
01:48:43,440 --> 01:48:44,960
But I also think that there should be

2945
01:48:44,960 --> 01:48:47,520
>> as right as long as it's not that the

2946
01:48:47,520 --> 01:48:50,239
reason you're not there is you know an

2947
01:48:50,239 --> 01:48:52,000
unavoidable that that would be a

2948
01:48:52,000 --> 01:48:54,400
different policy change but

2949
01:48:54,400 --> 01:48:55,360
>> but I mean something

2950
01:48:55,360 --> 01:48:56,719
>> I didn't want to discuss that

2951
01:48:56,719 --> 01:48:57,920
>> I think if you plan a vacation when

2952
01:48:57,920 --> 01:48:59,840
there's a meeting that's an absence

2953
01:48:59,840 --> 01:49:01,440
>> right

2954
01:49:01,440 --> 01:49:02,800
that kind of stuff

2955
01:49:02,800 --> 01:49:04,639
>> can we get consensus I really don't want

2956
01:49:04,639 --> 01:49:05,840
to have this whole conversation tonight

2957
01:49:05,840 --> 01:49:06,320
about this

2958
01:49:06,320 --> 01:49:08,400
>> correct yeah no I just wanted on on the

2959
01:49:08,400 --> 01:49:10,000
one on the one piece the

2960
01:49:10,000 --> 01:49:11,920
>> report is different some are 20% some

2961
01:49:11,920 --> 01:49:15,360
are depending on there's

2962
01:49:15,360 --> 01:49:16,560
>> um

2963
01:49:16,560 --> 01:49:17,280
>> okay

2964
01:49:17,280 --> 01:49:19,840
>> I think in concept we agree with you

2965
01:49:19,840 --> 01:49:22,000
>> but I think Mr. point and I want a

2966
01:49:22,000 --> 01:49:24,080
little humanity in it.

2967
01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:26,480
>> But cross that bridge and we come to it.

2968
01:49:26,480 --> 01:49:28,159
Also, the other thing could be if you

2969
01:49:28,159 --> 01:49:30,159
have that many absences, you can appeal

2970
01:49:30,159 --> 01:49:32,400
to the I'm just saying come to the

2971
01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:33,520
commission and say, "Listen, I was in

2972
01:49:33,520 --> 01:49:35,440
the hospital. What do you have a baby?

2973
01:49:35,440 --> 01:49:36,239
Couldn't be there."

2974
01:49:36,239 --> 01:49:37,840
>> Correct. There's a facility for that.

2975
01:49:37,840 --> 01:49:40,159
>> If there's if there's a a remedy for

2976
01:49:40,159 --> 01:49:42,000
them to appeal

2977
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:42,960
>> um

2978
01:49:42,960 --> 01:49:44,480
>> before you move on, Commissioner

2979
01:49:44,480 --> 01:49:49,920
Secretary, I just wanted to clarify that was 50 and everybody can see offer

2980
01:49:49,920 --> 01:49:52,880
consensus. Okay, thank you.

2981
01:49:52,880 --> 01:49:53,840
>> Oh, yeah.

2982
01:49:53,840 --> 01:49:56,719
>> Um, so I thought it was interesting um

2983
01:49:56,719 --> 01:49:58,480
Wade, you know, brought in that we we

2984
01:49:58,480 --> 01:49:59,840
need we need stuff to attract children

2985
01:49:59,840 --> 01:50:02,159
and we need maybe like an arcade or or

2986
01:50:02,159 --> 01:50:04,159
something in in our downtown. We

2987
01:50:04,159 --> 01:50:05,920
actually had um a business looking to

2988
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:08,239
come in to bring in a pinball museum

2989
01:50:08,239 --> 01:50:10,960
into our downtown and it was

2990
01:50:10,960 --> 01:50:11,679
>> museum.

2991
01:50:11,679 --> 01:50:13,119
>> Yeah. The pinball museum concept like

2992
01:50:13,119 --> 01:50:15,199
they have in Delray.

2993
01:50:15,199 --> 01:50:18,159
Um well the people who were involved in

2994
01:50:18,159 --> 01:50:19,840
that wanted to bring that same exact

2995
01:50:19,840 --> 01:50:21,920
concept to our our downtown and it was

2996
01:50:21,920 --> 01:50:23,600
denied

2997
01:50:23,600 --> 01:50:25,920
um and so I

2998
01:50:25,920 --> 01:50:27,440
>> denied by

2999
01:50:27,440 --> 01:50:28,400
>> zoning

3000
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:30,880
>> in the willies I mean willies

3001
01:50:30,880 --> 01:50:32,320
>> I thought it wasn't denied

3002
01:50:32,320 --> 01:50:38,950
>> it it was severely kind of cut back

3003
01:50:38,960 --> 01:50:42,960
» yeah regardless of of the particulars

3004
01:50:42,960 --> 01:50:45,760
um because of SP 180 our hands are tied

3005
01:50:45,760 --> 01:50:48,880
in restricting bad things, but they're

3006
01:50:48,880 --> 01:50:53,040
not tied in allowing good things. And um

3007
01:50:53,040 --> 01:50:55,119
you know, I I think we should kind of

3008
01:50:55,119 --> 01:50:56,880
think about some of the some of the

3009
01:50:56,880 --> 01:50:59,920
things that don't show up in our zoning

3010
01:50:59,920 --> 01:51:02,080
that we might want to see in our

3011
01:51:02,080 --> 01:51:04,880
downtown because remember our zoning is

3012
01:51:04,880 --> 01:51:06,719
inclusionary, meaning if it's ain't in

3013
01:51:06,719 --> 01:51:07,040
there,

3014
01:51:07,040 --> 01:51:09,280
>> if it's not listed, you're not getting

3015
01:51:09,280 --> 01:51:13,119
it. And so there there were a lot of

3016
01:51:13,119 --> 01:51:16,480
things like like this that

3017
01:51:16,480 --> 01:51:18,400
unintentionally got restricted because

3018
01:51:18,400 --> 01:51:21,119
they're being defined as a a gaming hall

3019
01:51:21,119 --> 01:51:25,040
the same as you would a pool hall or a a

3020
01:51:25,040 --> 01:51:27,199
slot machine complex or like a pool tab

3021
01:51:27,199 --> 01:51:30,080
complex. So anyway, um not asking for a

3022
01:51:30,080 --> 01:51:32,719
consensus or anything, but um I do think

3023
01:51:32,719 --> 01:51:34,719
we should think about some of these

3024
01:51:34,719 --> 01:51:36,880
things and start bringing them forward

3025
01:51:36,880 --> 01:51:38,880
>> like axe throwing and smashrooms.

3026
01:51:38,880 --> 01:51:44,159
>> Yeah. Yeah. Well, another another good good one was somebody wanted to

3027
01:51:44,159 --> 01:51:47,119
bring in a in a dog bar, you know, that

3028
01:51:47,119 --> 01:51:49,280
like the where you where you bring your

3029
01:51:49,280 --> 01:51:51,040
dogs and everything else like that. That

3030
01:51:51,040 --> 01:51:56,560
was also denied. Um yeah. Um

3031
01:51:56,560 --> 01:51:59,119
I think it was where the where CWS was

3032
01:51:59,119 --> 01:52:03,840
before Manray. Um a potential tenant. Um

3033
01:52:03,840 --> 01:52:06,239
so but but in any event, you know, we

3034
01:52:06,239 --> 01:52:08,960
we've [clears throat]

3035
01:52:08,960 --> 01:52:11,360
well they do goat yoga, coffee yoga. Um

3036
01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:13,599
we we spend a lot of time talking about

3037
01:52:13,599 --> 01:52:15,760
what we want to prevent coming into our

3038
01:52:15,760 --> 01:52:18,400
city. We don't spend I think enough time

3039
01:52:18,400 --> 01:52:19,920
talking about what do we want to attract

3040
01:52:19,920 --> 01:52:21,840
and what do we want to bring in and I I

3041
01:52:21,840 --> 01:52:23,840
would just let let's try to think about

3042
01:52:23,840 --> 01:52:25,119
some some of those things and also

3043
01:52:25,119 --> 01:52:27,520
encouraging the residents send us ideas

3044
01:52:27,520 --> 01:52:30,080
so that we can change and get that in

3045
01:52:30,080 --> 01:52:33,760
into the code to allow um and I I

3046
01:52:33,760 --> 01:52:35,360
thought it very interesting a number of

3047
01:52:35,360 --> 01:52:36,880
our our neighbors are doing special

3048
01:52:36,880 --> 01:52:39,679
overlay districts um for that exact

3049
01:52:39,679 --> 01:52:41,840
thing. So there's a a nice article about

3050
01:52:41,840 --> 01:52:44,560
point beach. Whether you agree about

3051
01:52:44,560 --> 01:52:46,159
what they're doing and what their vision

3052
01:52:46,159 --> 01:52:49,040
is, they put their vision in an overlay

3053
01:52:49,040 --> 01:52:51,440
district which is now attracting their

3054
01:52:51,440 --> 01:52:53,679
vision. And I' I've said that for years

3055
01:52:53,679 --> 01:52:56,080
in Lakeworth Beach. We got to attract

3056
01:52:56,080 --> 01:52:58,159
what we want. We just can't hope that

3057
01:52:58,159 --> 01:52:59,440
it's going to show up. We got to

3058
01:52:59,440 --> 01:53:01,280
intentionally put it out there that

3059
01:53:01,280 --> 01:53:05,119
these are things that that we want. Um,

3060
01:53:05,119 --> 01:53:09,599
I did want to um uh ask staff um and the

3061
01:53:09,599 --> 01:53:12,239
city manager to um see if we can pay

3062
01:53:12,239 --> 01:53:13,760
some more attention to the illegal food

3063
01:53:13,760 --> 01:53:16,000
vendors. Uh the number of complaints

3064
01:53:16,000 --> 01:53:18,400
that I'm getting is is ever rising. I

3065
01:53:18,400 --> 01:53:24,159
went by 12 and that entire parking lot

3066
01:53:24,159 --> 01:53:27,760
um is full. I even heard that even some

3067
01:53:27,760 --> 01:53:32,239
up on um on Dixie um by like um the the

3068
01:53:32,239 --> 01:53:34,719
food mark Don Raone or whatever there

3069
01:53:34,719 --> 01:53:36,880
there's been a a sharp increase. So I

3070
01:53:36,880 --> 01:53:40,560
don't think PBSO is really paying a lot

3071
01:53:40,560 --> 01:53:42,080
more attention to that and I've gotten

3072
01:53:42,080 --> 01:53:44,239
complaints from residents that they've

3073
01:53:44,239 --> 01:53:47,520
called and no one's responded. Um so

3074
01:53:47,520 --> 01:53:48,880
>> we had one in our neighborhood the other

3075
01:53:48,880 --> 01:53:52,719
day that was a food vendor cart and he

3076
01:53:52,719 --> 01:53:54,239
had it all lit up because it was dark

3077
01:53:54,239 --> 01:53:55,199
outside. Oh wow. [laughter]

3078
01:53:55,199 --> 01:53:57,199
>> So he was like a bright spaceship in the

3079
01:53:57,199 --> 01:53:57,760
middle of

3080
01:53:57,760 --> 01:53:59,119
>> He comes through our neighborhood too.

3081
01:53:59,119 --> 01:54:00,719
>> I was like you got to be kidding.

3082
01:54:00,719 --> 01:54:02,239
>> Um

3083
01:54:02,239 --> 01:54:05,280
then um uh Benny's had their 40th um

3084
01:54:05,280 --> 01:54:06,880
they did three days of kind of

3085
01:54:06,880 --> 01:54:09,199
celebrations and and things like that.

3086
01:54:09,199 --> 01:54:14,000
Um and um I actually met an employee who

3087
01:54:14,000 --> 01:54:17,360
was there since 1986.

3088
01:54:17,360 --> 01:54:21,040
She was there for all 40 years. And that

3089
01:54:21,040 --> 01:54:22,880
that's just incredible that we have a

3090
01:54:22,880 --> 01:54:24,560
business running, you know, that long in

3091
01:54:24,560 --> 01:54:26,239
our city where where somebody's been

3092
01:54:26,239 --> 01:54:28,719
working there for 40 years serving our

3093
01:54:28,719 --> 01:54:31,360
community. Um, and it was great. Um, the

3094
01:54:31,360 --> 01:54:33,760
moment I I I got down there, I saw

3095
01:54:33,760 --> 01:54:36,320
people from all areas of town and

3096
01:54:36,320 --> 01:54:38,719
everybody a lot a lot of lot more locals

3097
01:54:38,719 --> 01:54:40,880
than than you would normally see. Um, so

3098
01:54:40,880 --> 01:54:43,840
it was great to to see that umh

3099
01:54:43,840 --> 01:54:48,719
celebrated. And my last thing, um,

3100
01:54:48,719 --> 01:54:50,400
actually has something to do with with

3101
01:54:50,400 --> 01:54:51,599
what Commissioner May had brought up

3102
01:54:51,599 --> 01:54:54,719
about the sidewalks. Um,

3103
01:54:54,719 --> 01:54:56,560
for whatever reason, I I got a number

3104
01:54:56,560 --> 01:54:59,760
of, um, complaints or inquiries because

3105
01:54:59,760 --> 01:55:04,070
people got cited for sight triangle.

3106
01:55:04,080 --> 01:55:06,239
» Yeah. No, it it eventually worked out.

3107
01:55:06,239 --> 01:55:09,679
Um, and I I had a great conversation um

3108
01:55:09,679 --> 01:55:12,719
with Jamie um about that as well as uh

3109
01:55:12,719 --> 01:55:18,960
good conversations with city manager and with um William. And as it turns out

3110
01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:21,280
in our code, we measure from the

3111
01:55:21,280 --> 01:55:23,199
property line

3112
01:55:23,199 --> 01:55:25,360
um and you go back 10 feet or 20 feet

3113
01:55:25,360 --> 01:55:28,800
depending. Seems pretty straightforward

3114
01:55:28,800 --> 01:55:31,440
unless you live in an area like I do

3115
01:55:31,440 --> 01:55:34,560
where I've got about 14 foot of city

3116
01:55:34,560 --> 01:55:36,080
property,

3117
01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:38,639
no sidewalk up on my grass. So I would

3118
01:55:38,639 --> 01:55:41,760
be 34 feet.

3119
01:55:41,760 --> 01:55:44,480
Go down three blocks, they'd be 28 feet.

3120
01:55:44,480 --> 01:55:46,239
You go down three blocks more, they'll

3121
01:55:46,239 --> 01:55:49,440
be 12 feet. And unless you have a survey

3122
01:55:49,440 --> 01:55:52,719
out, you're not going to be able to

3123
01:55:52,719 --> 01:55:54,639
figure out where unless you find your

3124
01:55:54,639 --> 01:55:55,840
survey marker, you're not going to be

3125
01:55:55,840 --> 01:55:58,320
able to um comply.

3126
01:55:58,320 --> 01:56:00,800
Doubly to that, when we ask code

3127
01:56:00,800 --> 01:56:02,880
compliance officers to explain to the

3128
01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:06,000
property owner, where do I cut my hedge?

3129
01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:07,440
It becomes a question that gets

3130
01:56:07,440 --> 01:56:09,119
escalated up to the city manager's

3131
01:56:09,119 --> 01:56:12,400
office because no one really knows. So,

3132
01:56:12,400 --> 01:56:14,880
in speaking with Jamie, you know, he he

3133
01:56:14,880 --> 01:56:17,119
educated me on, you know, the way that F

3134
01:56:17,119 --> 01:56:19,040
dot and and from a roads perspective we

3135
01:56:19,040 --> 01:56:20,800
do it, and feel free to correct if I

3136
01:56:20,800 --> 01:56:23,199
paraphrase it wrong. You measure from

3137
01:56:23,199 --> 01:56:25,040
the basically the corner of the asphalt

3138
01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:28,320
and it's based on true line of sight.

3139
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:30,400
Um,

3140
01:56:30,400 --> 01:56:32,880
I would like us to have staff to look

3141
01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:34,880
into that under the guidance of of Jamie

3142
01:56:34,880 --> 01:56:37,040
and say, where from the corner of the

3143
01:56:37,040 --> 01:56:38,159
asphalt do we have to be

3144
01:56:38,159 --> 01:56:39,440
>> make it all uniform?

3145
01:56:39,440 --> 01:56:41,679
>> Yeah. So it's just, you know, so like on

3146
01:56:41,679 --> 01:56:44,800
my corner, if it has to be if it's 25

3147
01:56:44,800 --> 01:56:46,719
feet on a major road, great. On the

3148
01:56:46,719 --> 01:56:48,320
corner of that asphalt, it's 25 feet.

3149
01:56:48,320 --> 01:56:50,800
Whether I own 10 feet of that or the

3150
01:56:50,800 --> 01:56:53,920
city owns 15, it doesn't matter.

3151
01:56:53,920 --> 01:56:56,639
>> And and I know technically people aren't

3152
01:56:56,639 --> 01:56:58,880
supposed to be planting in the city

3153
01:56:58,880 --> 01:57:00,880
rightway owned properties that are

3154
01:57:00,880 --> 01:57:03,040
attached to their property, but let's

3155
01:57:03,040 --> 01:57:05,520
face it, the it it's been planted for

3156
01:57:05,520 --> 01:57:08,080
hundred years in some cases, right? and

3157
01:57:08,080 --> 01:57:09,599
we have trees and we have shrubs and

3158
01:57:09,599 --> 01:57:11,920
everything. This, I think, would make

3159
01:57:11,920 --> 01:57:14,639
everyone's lives easier and and make

3160
01:57:14,639 --> 01:57:18,400
this just so easy for for us to explain

3161
01:57:18,400 --> 01:57:19,760
to people because I tried to put

3162
01:57:19,760 --> 01:57:20,239
together

3163
01:57:20,239 --> 01:57:21,679
>> be easier to enforce.

3164
01:57:21,679 --> 01:57:22,320
>> Oh, yeah.

3165
01:57:22,320 --> 01:57:23,280
>> That's the key. I

3166
01:57:23,280 --> 01:57:25,119
>> I tried to put together a little diagram

3167
01:57:25,119 --> 01:57:26,960
and I sent it to William. He's like,

3168
01:57:26,960 --> 01:57:28,880
"Yeah, no, that that's only going to

3169
01:57:28,880 --> 01:57:30,480
work for

3170
01:57:30,480 --> 01:57:31,840
>> Well, you mean the street?"

3171
01:57:31,840 --> 01:57:34,000
>> Yeah. So, so you have you have street

3172
01:57:34,000 --> 01:57:36,000
then potentially curb or you have grass

3173
01:57:36,000 --> 01:57:37,840
and then you have potentially sidewalk.

3174
01:57:37,840 --> 01:57:40,560
All of which doesn't matter from the

3175
01:57:40,560 --> 01:57:42,880
line of sight. It's it's where that

3176
01:57:42,880 --> 01:57:46,719
asphalt meets. You got to see along that

3177
01:57:46,719 --> 01:57:48,880
edge of that asphalt for a certain

3178
01:57:48,880 --> 01:57:51,760
distance. And you know on on small small

3179
01:57:51,760 --> 01:57:55,119
roads I think it's like 14 feet. On um

3180
01:57:55,119 --> 01:57:58,080
major roads it's like 25 or 30. Our

3181
01:57:58,080 --> 01:58:00,000
calculations based on property line get

3182
01:58:00,000 --> 01:58:02,719
there approximately. but inadvertently

3183
01:58:02,719 --> 01:58:04,800
they cause a measurement nightmare where

3184
01:58:04,800 --> 01:58:06,800
we just don't know. So I I would be

3185
01:58:06,800 --> 01:58:09,599
looking for consensus to direct staff to

3186
01:58:09,599 --> 01:58:12,480
standardize it based on the asphalt

3187
01:58:12,480 --> 01:58:15,840
corner if that's what Jamie recommends.

3188
01:58:15,840 --> 01:58:20,080
Um versus the property line.

3189
01:58:20,080 --> 01:58:22,639
>> I'm in

3190
01:58:22,639 --> 01:58:24,560
just to add real quick um when we spoke

3191
01:58:24,560 --> 01:58:28,320
it it's based on traffic safety and

3192
01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:28,960
approaching [clears throat] the

3193
01:58:28,960 --> 01:58:31,520
intersection. So that's kind of how I I

3194
01:58:31,520 --> 01:58:33,520
look at it in the way I come at it just

3195
01:58:33,520 --> 01:58:37,040
from a traffic saving standpoint.

3196
01:58:37,040 --> 01:58:37,840
>> That makes sense.

3197
01:58:37,840 --> 01:58:40,239
>> Which is which is why my lights on.

3198
01:58:40,239 --> 01:58:40,639
>> What?

3199
01:58:40,639 --> 01:58:42,080
>> Which is why my lights on.

3200
01:58:42,080 --> 01:58:43,679
>> Well, Mr. Ser just

3201
01:58:43,679 --> 01:58:45,119
>> No, in regards to his conversation, what

3202
01:58:45,119 --> 01:58:46,960
are you saying?

3203
01:58:46,960 --> 01:58:48,560
>> So, I love that you're we're talking

3204
01:58:48,560 --> 01:58:50,880
about bushes and

3205
01:58:50,880 --> 01:58:53,280
come to the other side of the city and

3206
01:58:53,280 --> 01:58:54,960
you cannot see around all of the

3207
01:58:54,960 --> 01:58:56,400
commercial trucks that are parked in the

3208
01:58:56,400 --> 01:58:58,480
line of sight. I wish I had bushes to

3209
01:58:58,480 --> 01:59:00,239
worry about

3210
01:59:00,239 --> 01:59:02,560
in my little Mini Cooper. If you have

3211
01:59:02,560 --> 01:59:04,159
one corner that you're trying to cross

3212
01:59:04,159 --> 01:59:06,800
and you have and traffic's one way and

3213
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:08,800
you have something that's bigger than a

3214
01:59:08,800 --> 01:59:10,960
regular pickup truck, you are going to

3215
01:59:10,960 --> 01:59:13,360
get killed trying to cross the street

3216
01:59:13,360 --> 01:59:15,119
>> and they are literally up against the

3217
01:59:15,119 --> 01:59:16,960
corner even they go they go past the the

3218
01:59:16,960 --> 01:59:18,239
stop sign.

3219
01:59:18,239 --> 01:59:21,119
>> So that that to me is a much bigger

3220
01:59:21,119 --> 01:59:23,599
safety issue than some bushes. I'm just

3221
01:59:23,599 --> 01:59:25,280
being honest. No, I'm not saying this to

3222
01:59:25,280 --> 01:59:26,480
you. I'm just saying that I mean if

3223
01:59:26,480 --> 01:59:28,880
we're going to be enforcing this, there

3224
01:59:28,880 --> 01:59:30,239
are people who have nearly been killed

3225
01:59:30,239 --> 01:59:33,040
in this city by trying to cross when

3226
01:59:33,040 --> 01:59:34,719
there's three or four or five of these

3227
01:59:34,719 --> 01:59:37,119
big

3228
01:59:37,119 --> 01:59:38,960
not landscape even even the big white

3229
01:59:38,960 --> 01:59:41,280
box vans, the cargo vans. If there's

3230
01:59:41,280 --> 01:59:42,560
three or four of those on a corner,

3231
01:59:42,560 --> 01:59:43,599
you're going to get squished like a

3232
01:59:43,599 --> 01:59:47,280
great and because the people who own own

3233
01:59:47,280 --> 01:59:49,040
properties who also own businesses can

3234
01:59:49,040 --> 01:59:50,320
have three or four of these trucks and

3235
01:59:50,320 --> 01:59:52,320
park them on the rightway. And it's all

3236
01:59:52,320 --> 01:59:54,960
over Tropical Ridge, Royal Point,

3237
01:59:54,960 --> 01:59:56,960
Sienna, Whispering Palms. You literally

3238
01:59:56,960 --> 01:59:58,719
cannot pull out without almost being

3239
01:59:58,719 --> 02:00:00,719
killed. Not because of bushes, but

3240
02:00:00,719 --> 02:00:02,000
because of commercial trucks.

3241
02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:04,239
>> On on that note,

3242
02:00:04,239 --> 02:00:05,760
>> they can, but then they just they move

3243
02:00:05,760 --> 02:00:06,960
them and then they come back and they

3244
02:00:06,960 --> 02:00:08,320
repark them because we do not have the

3245
02:00:08,320 --> 02:00:10,000
parking division to enforce it. So, so

3246
02:00:10,000 --> 02:00:12,400
on on that note, I I've been re

3247
02:00:12,400 --> 02:00:15,119
reporting a lot of that in in in my

3248
02:00:15,119 --> 02:00:16,960
neighborhood. Um because we we have had

3249
02:00:16,960 --> 02:00:19,840
people almost killed based on the site

3250
02:00:19,840 --> 02:00:21,679
triangle as as well as well as the

3251
02:00:21,679 --> 02:00:25,760
trucks um and parking staff has been

3252
02:00:25,760 --> 02:00:28,560
extraordinarily responsive um to that.

3253
02:00:28,560 --> 02:00:31,440
Um I snap a photo, I send it, and if

3254
02:00:31,440 --> 02:00:33,440
there's somebody on, they're there right

3255
02:00:33,440 --> 02:00:38,629
away. Um, Carlos,

3256
02:00:38,639 --> 02:00:40,480
» like I I think that we're supposed to

3257
02:00:40,480 --> 02:00:41,520
email to

3258
02:00:41,520 --> 02:00:42,320
>> Yeah, we don't

3259
02:00:42,320 --> 02:00:44,080
>> city manager

3260
02:00:44,080 --> 02:00:45,280
>> and the city manager

3261
02:00:45,280 --> 02:00:46,880
>> CC them

3262
02:00:46,880 --> 02:00:48,400
>> because I I mean I've been here for 5

3263
02:00:48,400 --> 02:00:50,000
years. I've never been told that I could

3264
02:00:50,000 --> 02:00:52,400
contact the the parking.

3265
02:00:52,400 --> 02:00:55,280
>> It's the same as you email public works.

3266
02:00:55,280 --> 02:00:56,719
>> I don't do that.

3267
02:00:56,719 --> 02:00:58,719
>> I email the city manager

3268
02:00:58,719 --> 02:01:02,719
>> and then or when it was Mr. Mr.

3269
02:01:02,719 --> 02:01:06,000
Brown. I do send I send Shannon stuff

3270
02:01:06,000 --> 02:01:09,760
for for bulk pickup that's dumped. But

3271
02:01:09,760 --> 02:01:11,920
as far as like the parking and we were

3272
02:01:11,920 --> 02:01:13,440
also to I was told that we have to call

3273
02:01:13,440 --> 02:01:16,400
PBSO if it's on the street, not the

3274
02:01:16,400 --> 02:01:17,280
parking division.

3275
02:01:17,280 --> 02:01:19,679
>> Yeah. I mean I saw garbage today. I I

3276
02:01:19,679 --> 02:01:22,480
wrote Mr. Perry. I copied Tiana. I

3277
02:01:22,480 --> 02:01:25,840
copied Jamie Brown.

3278
02:01:25,840 --> 02:01:28,320
>> Well, this is something different. Well,

3279
02:01:28,320 --> 02:01:30,960
but so, so I I had a long discussion

3280
02:01:30,960 --> 02:01:32,639
with them and it was it was in and about

3281
02:01:32,639 --> 02:01:34,719
the distance from a intersection and

3282
02:01:34,719 --> 02:01:40,080
from a stop sign and on both sides and we went through and we looked at um

3283
02:01:40,080 --> 02:01:43,840
state and county statute and um there's

3284
02:01:43,840 --> 02:01:45,360
a lot of good stuff in there. And then

3285
02:01:45,360 --> 02:01:47,119
they were able to ticket based on on

3286
02:01:47,119 --> 02:01:50,639
that um parking our parking staff

3287
02:01:50,639 --> 02:01:52,800
ticketed.

3288
02:01:52,800 --> 02:01:52,960
And

3289
02:01:52,960 --> 02:01:54,480
>> why have we always been told that PBSO

3290
02:01:54,480 --> 02:01:55,679
is the ones who have to enforce the

3291
02:01:55,679 --> 02:01:57,520
streets?

3292
02:01:57,520 --> 02:02:00,080
And now

3293
02:02:00,080 --> 02:02:01,679
>> I guess I can claim ignorance as being

3294
02:02:01,679 --> 02:02:04,239
the new kid here and stumbled upon a a

3295
02:02:04,239 --> 02:02:05,119
happy mistake.

3296
02:02:05,119 --> 02:02:06,880
>> I mean it's really protocol for us to if

3297
02:02:06,880 --> 02:02:08,000
there's a problem in the city to

3298
02:02:08,000 --> 02:02:10,560
>> I mean I call PBSO on abandoned cars

3299
02:02:10,560 --> 02:02:12,719
that haven't been moved, no tags, no

3300
02:02:12,719 --> 02:02:14,560
plates, flat tires. True.

3301
02:02:14,560 --> 02:02:16,480
>> I send that into an email or I send it

3302
02:02:16,480 --> 02:02:20,480
into PBSO. But I've never as far as I

3303
02:02:20,480 --> 02:02:21,760
was always told is if it's on the

3304
02:02:21,760 --> 02:02:23,280
streets it's PBSO. If it's on property

3305
02:02:23,280 --> 02:02:25,440
it's code and parking. Correct. That's

3306
02:02:25,440 --> 02:02:27,440
usually how we do it, but we'll we'll

3307
02:02:27,440 --> 02:02:29,520
put something official that way we all

3308
02:02:29,520 --> 02:02:30,719
be on the same page.

3309
02:02:30,719 --> 02:02:32,480
>> Yeah, that would I think we have to pay

3310
02:02:32,480 --> 02:02:34,320
attention to the fact that really if

3311
02:02:34,320 --> 02:02:35,599
>> I would like us all to be on the same

3312
02:02:35,599 --> 02:02:36,239
page.

3313
02:02:36,239 --> 02:02:38,080
>> No, I agree. I agree. But I also we

3314
02:02:38,080 --> 02:02:39,599
should be on the same page about how if

3315
02:02:39,599 --> 02:02:42,239
you have a problem, you go to Mr. Perry.

3316
02:02:42,239 --> 02:02:43,840
>> I I would disagree with that. If it's

3317
02:02:43,840 --> 02:02:45,440
something that a citizen can report

3318
02:02:45,440 --> 02:02:46,800
through that channel, I feel I should be

3319
02:02:46,800 --> 02:02:50,320
able to report it through that channel.

3320
02:02:50,320 --> 02:02:52,480
>> You'll never convince me otherwise. I I

3321
02:02:52,480 --> 02:02:54,639
can I can go online. It's a little bit

3322
02:02:54,639 --> 02:02:55,520
different.

3323
02:02:55,520 --> 02:02:58,400
>> Actually, it's not American

3324
02:02:58,400 --> 02:02:59,520
first and

3325
02:02:59,520 --> 02:03:02,639
>> a certain amount of I from my

3326
02:03:02,639 --> 02:03:05,440
perspective there's a certain implied

3327
02:03:05,440 --> 02:03:07,360
like you know we have a lot of people

3328
02:03:07,360 --> 02:03:10,080
with code issues and I I refer them to

3329
02:03:10,080 --> 02:03:13,679
code if I if I have a Yolanda is

3330
02:03:13,679 --> 02:03:15,679
probably the highest that I go the low

3331
02:03:15,679 --> 02:03:18,719
lower that I go but it's in I I did it a

3332
02:03:18,719 --> 02:03:20,239
few years ago and I was told you know

3333
02:03:20,239 --> 02:03:24,320
please don't because us calling

3334
02:03:24,320 --> 02:03:26,320
Yeah, us calling is a little more

3335
02:03:26,320 --> 02:03:29,760
intimidating than a regular person. So

3336
02:03:29,760 --> 02:03:32,800
that's not

3337
02:03:32,800 --> 02:03:34,719
>> what I have practiced and I think it's

3338
02:03:34,719 --> 02:03:35,760
more appropriate.

3339
02:03:35,760 --> 02:03:41,520
>> Okay. But if if there's a pork atl.gov

3340
02:03:41,520 --> 02:03:44,239
where residents can submit street issues

3341
02:03:44,239 --> 02:03:46,800
or report

3342
02:03:46,800 --> 02:03:48,320
stuff like that, we can send stuff to

3343
02:03:48,320 --> 02:03:49,920
that. for parking. If you can call the

3344
02:03:49,920 --> 02:03:51,520
parking division and tell them that,

3345
02:03:51,520 --> 02:03:52,880
hey, somebody's parked in front of my

3346
02:03:52,880 --> 02:03:54,239
driveway or somebody's parked in front

3347
02:03:54,239 --> 02:03:56,719
of a of a stop sign.

3348
02:03:56,719 --> 02:03:58,000
>> City manager.

3349
02:03:58,000 --> 02:03:59,119
>> Yeah.

3350
02:03:59,119 --> 02:04:00,400
>> If you talk to the city manager, it's

3351
02:04:00,400 --> 02:04:03,280
not as bad.

3352
02:04:03,280 --> 02:04:05,199
>> You know, and with all due respect, I I

3353
02:04:05,199 --> 02:04:06,719
understand your opinion on how you want

3354
02:04:06,719 --> 02:04:07,760
to operate. I like

3355
02:04:07,760 --> 02:04:09,280
>> I was instructed when I first was

3356
02:04:09,280 --> 02:04:12,400
elected five and a half years ago.

3357
02:04:12,400 --> 02:04:14,639
>> By who?

3358
02:04:14,639 --> 02:04:16,800
>> Okay, we gonna move this.

3359
02:04:16,800 --> 02:04:18,800
>> No, I didn't. and Mr. Yeah, I was just

3360
02:04:18,800 --> 02:04:20,080
Mr. MC.

3361
02:04:20,080 --> 02:04:21,280
>> Okay. Well,

3362
02:04:21,280 --> 02:04:22,480
>> yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

3363
02:04:22,480 --> 02:04:24,880
>> Anyway, it it it gets things done. So,

3364
02:04:24,880 --> 02:04:26,239
if if you report them

3365
02:04:26,239 --> 02:04:30,560
>> the way we do it anyway, Mr. McCoy,

3366
02:04:30,560 --> 02:04:34,000
>> do you have something to brief comment?

3367
02:04:34,000 --> 02:04:36,159
>> Uh well, the two things I would like to

3368
02:04:36,159 --> 02:04:39,760
make my you know, district one one um

3369
02:04:39,760 --> 02:04:43,199
but I I in in ter

3370
02:04:43,199 --> 02:04:45,760
>> Well, district two then um I got to talk

3371
02:04:45,760 --> 02:04:50,800
to Yeah. No, I need happy where I am. Um

3372
02:04:50,800 --> 02:04:52,639
uh

3373
02:04:52,639 --> 02:04:55,440
I I hear the concern in in relation to

3374
02:04:55,440 --> 02:04:58,560
Commissioner Segrit's comments. Uh I

3375
02:04:58,560 --> 02:05:00,159
hear

3376
02:05:00,159 --> 02:05:02,400
this has been an issue in the past of

3377
02:05:02,400 --> 02:05:04,800
how should commissioners communicate

3378
02:05:04,800 --> 02:05:08,080
with staff and

3379
02:05:08,080 --> 02:05:10,159
I think we've varied around a little bit

3380
02:05:10,159 --> 02:05:12,159
is my experience.

3381
02:05:12,159 --> 02:05:13,760
There is an argument for sending

3382
02:05:13,760 --> 02:05:16,880
everything through the city manager. If

3383
02:05:16,880 --> 02:05:18,560
I was the city manager, I would say,

3384
02:05:18,560 --> 02:05:20,800
"Boy, that doesn't seem very efficient."

3385
02:05:20,800 --> 02:05:23,119
Copying the city manager seems like a

3386
02:05:23,119 --> 02:05:25,679
really good idea. And if there isn't

3387
02:05:25,679 --> 02:05:28,560
some good reason to go directly to

3388
02:05:28,560 --> 02:05:30,480
somebody else, then sure, send it to the

3389
02:05:30,480 --> 02:05:34,560
city manager. Uh but if if it is an

3390
02:05:34,560 --> 02:05:37,760
effective way you know to report it to

3391
02:05:37,760 --> 02:05:40,480
directly I know that in the past in

3392
02:05:40,480 --> 02:05:43,119
years past it's a while now uh Jamie

3393
02:05:43,119 --> 02:05:44,639
would come to neighborhood associate

3394
02:05:44,639 --> 02:05:45,760
meeting and say hey if you have a

3395
02:05:45,760 --> 02:05:47,280
problem and he was not the city manager

3396
02:05:47,280 --> 02:05:49,199
at that point he was public works here's

3397
02:05:49,199 --> 02:05:51,280
my cell phone just give me a call

3398
02:05:51,280 --> 02:05:54,639
because it works to get it done um you

3399
02:05:54,639 --> 02:05:55,920
know I thought that was pretty

3400
02:05:55,920 --> 02:05:57,360
reasonable I thought it was generous of

3401
02:05:57,360 --> 02:06:00,960
him to make it available

3402
02:06:00,960 --> 02:06:01,280
um

3403
02:06:01,280 --> 02:06:02,159
>> still.

3404
02:06:02,159 --> 02:06:06,239
>> So I I I in terms of policy,

3405
02:06:06,239 --> 02:06:09,040
yes, keep the city manager informed, but

3406
02:06:09,040 --> 02:06:12,080
if you if it works to get it to Carlos

3407
02:06:12,080 --> 02:06:14,080
or whoever, I don't think we should get

3408
02:06:14,080 --> 02:06:16,320
in the way of that.

3409
02:06:16,320 --> 02:06:20,880
>> But okay. Um do I get to say anything or

3410
02:06:20,880 --> 02:06:24,159
>> you had a chance?

3411
02:06:24,159 --> 02:06:26,639
>> I believed that I I visited the hospital

3412
02:06:26,639 --> 02:06:30,480
on the way. Um so it's an excused bit of

3413
02:06:30,480 --> 02:06:33,440
a chance to go home. Yes.

3414
02:06:33,440 --> 02:06:34,880
>> Just just really quick before we got

3415
02:06:34,880 --> 02:06:36,560
off, did we get consensus on the site

3416
02:06:36,560 --> 02:06:38,400
triangle measurement?

3417
02:06:38,400 --> 02:06:44,400
>> Yes. The sight triangle base it on the physical sight triangle thing, not

3418
02:06:44,400 --> 02:06:45,920
on the property line. I didn't know that

3419
02:06:45,920 --> 02:06:46,480
it was

3420
02:06:46,480 --> 02:06:47,760
>> As we're as we're sitting here, I'm

3421
02:06:47,760 --> 02:06:50,159
getting blown up by a local realer who

3422
02:06:50,159 --> 02:06:51,599
lives on my street who's giving me all

3423
02:06:51,599 --> 02:06:52,719
the Florida statue because he's

3424
02:06:52,719 --> 02:06:53,840
listening to the meeting and he's like,

3425
02:06:53,840 --> 02:06:59,109
"You the residents don't

3426
02:06:59,119 --> 02:07:01,840
» I don't Okay, that's a record.

3427
02:07:01,840 --> 02:07:04,960
>> Um I will save it for my next meeting

3428
02:07:04,960 --> 02:07:05,520
then.

3429
02:07:05,520 --> 02:07:07,440
>> All righty.

3430
02:07:07,440 --> 02:07:12,229
I want to be real quick. We have um

3431
02:07:12,239 --> 02:07:15,920
Thank you. There's a

3432
02:07:15,920 --> 02:07:18,880
uh on uh Labor Day weekend, there's

3433
02:07:18,880 --> 02:07:21,599
going to be a mango festival downtown on

3434
02:07:21,599 --> 02:07:24,639
J Street that um Pomona, I believe, is

3435
02:07:24,639 --> 02:07:26,000
sponsoring. And that sounds like a lot

3436
02:07:26,000 --> 02:07:28,000
of fun. If you didn't get a chance to

3437
02:07:28,000 --> 02:07:30,480
see In the Heights at the theater, sorry

3438
02:07:30,480 --> 02:07:32,320
you blew it because it was the most

3439
02:07:32,320 --> 02:07:34,639
amazing show. I saw it the other night

3440
02:07:34,639 --> 02:07:36,480
with a bunch of elected ladies and I'm

3441
02:07:36,480 --> 02:07:41,040
going back on on Sunday. Um, we had a

3442
02:07:41,040 --> 02:07:46,159
board Sunday's last day and it sold out.

3443
02:07:46,159 --> 02:07:47,679
>> Yeah, they they sometimes have an odd

3444
02:07:47,679 --> 02:07:50,320
seat, but it's it's it was remarkable.

3445
02:07:50,320 --> 02:07:52,159
Um, and it was young kids and that was

3446
02:07:52,159 --> 02:07:53,440
the great thing. It was like a whole

3447
02:07:53,440 --> 02:07:57,360
bunch of young kids and it was just the energy and the production itself was

3448
02:07:57,360 --> 02:08:00,560
terrific. Uh we had a board meeting of

3449
02:08:00,560 --> 02:08:02,880
the Palm Beach County League of Cities

3450
02:08:02,880 --> 02:08:04,639
and we're working in sort of an

3451
02:08:04,639 --> 02:08:06,719
organized fashion to address the

3452
02:08:06,719 --> 02:08:10,400
property property um

3453
02:08:10,400 --> 02:08:12,159
tax [clears throat] bill um because

3454
02:08:12,159 --> 02:08:14,320
everyone's freaking out about it a lot.

3455
02:08:14,320 --> 02:08:15,920
And animal care and control is coming

3456
02:08:15,920 --> 02:08:17,199
down. they spoke and they are coming

3457
02:08:17,199 --> 02:08:20,800
down much harder on uh fines for animal

3458
02:08:20,800 --> 02:08:22,880
mistreatment, animal abuse. They're

3459
02:08:22,880 --> 02:08:24,880
coming I'll bring I'll share with all of

3460
02:08:24,880 --> 02:08:29,760
you. I have a piece of paper and it was really it was great. Um

3461
02:08:29,760 --> 02:08:31,599
we had our lunchon last week for the

3462
02:08:31,599 --> 02:08:34,320
Palm Beach County League. Sarah and I

3463
02:08:34,320 --> 02:08:36,239
were given

3464
02:08:36,239 --> 02:08:40,320
a home hero and we don't know why Mimi

3465
02:08:40,320 --> 02:08:44,320
wasn't. Um, so

3466
02:08:44,320 --> 02:08:46,480
I agree with Miss, you know, I I have

3467
02:08:46,480 --> 02:08:48,000
two friends in nursing homes and the

3468
02:08:48,000 --> 02:08:49,199
majority of the people that work there

3469
02:08:49,199 --> 02:08:51,440
are Haitian and they are caretakers and

3470
02:08:51,440 --> 02:08:53,199
they are hardworking and I can't see

3471
02:08:53,199 --> 02:08:55,920
anybody else coming to take care of my

3472
02:08:55,920 --> 02:08:58,800
85year-old friend with dementia. So, um,

3473
02:08:58,800 --> 02:09:00,639
I'm meeting with the Guatemalan

3474
02:09:00,639 --> 02:09:04,560
consulate very soon.

3475
02:09:04,560 --> 02:09:06,079
>> Um,

3476
02:09:06,079 --> 02:09:11,119
so um, that's all I have. Mr.

3477
02:09:11,119 --> 02:09:12,719
Harry.

3478
02:09:12,719 --> 02:09:14,880
>> Yes, ma'am. Mayor, I have two two

3479
02:09:14,880 --> 02:09:18,719
issues. Uh, just a reminder, this the

3480
02:09:18,719 --> 02:09:22,320
clerk is requesting permission to

3481
02:09:22,320 --> 02:09:25,040
advertise a 5 p.m. special meeting for

3482
02:09:25,040 --> 02:09:27,360
the uh interviews for the planning and

3483
02:09:27,360 --> 02:09:30,159
zoning board on August 25th. She I

3484
02:09:30,159 --> 02:09:33,199
believe she mentioned that uh last week.

3485
02:09:33,199 --> 02:09:34,480
>> Yeah, I won't be here. I'll be

3486
02:09:34,480 --> 02:09:36,560
>> here. Let me but

3487
02:09:36,560 --> 02:09:38,719
>> planning and zoning board uh interviews

3488
02:09:38,719 --> 02:09:41,599
for additional members on August 25th

3489
02:09:41,599 --> 02:09:45,679
starting at 5:00 pm special meeting.

3490
02:09:45,679 --> 02:09:50,159
Is it okay or do we have majority or

3491
02:09:50,159 --> 02:09:51,440
>> you're not here?

3492
02:09:51,440 --> 02:09:54,960
>> I'll be in

3493
02:09:54,960 --> 02:09:58,320
>> because you probably put I think I think

3494
02:09:58,320 --> 02:10:01,589
probably put

3495
02:10:01,599 --> 02:10:04,560
» I I won't be here. So that's two down.

3496
02:10:04,560 --> 02:10:10,550
>> Oh, we got two down.

3497
02:10:10,560 --> 02:10:12,560
» We can try to need I come back with

3498
02:10:12,560 --> 02:10:13,599
another date.

3499
02:10:13,599 --> 02:10:20,390
>> Wait a second. [clears throat]

3500
02:10:20,400 --> 02:10:22,480
» Oh, no. Wait. August 25th.

3501
02:10:22,480 --> 02:10:24,159
>> August 25th.

3502
02:10:24,159 --> 02:10:27,840
>> That's uh Tuesday.

3503
02:10:27,840 --> 02:10:31,679
>> Yes, it is a regular meeting day.

3504
02:10:31,679 --> 02:10:34,320
>> All right. I should be here.

3505
02:10:34,320 --> 02:10:35,679
I was looking at Chela.

3506
02:10:35,679 --> 02:10:37,360
>> Okay. So, we have four. That's

3507
02:10:37,360 --> 02:10:38,960
>> Yeah, we'll do that. Thank you.

3508
02:10:38,960 --> 02:10:41,840
>> I trust I trust you all actually.

3509
02:10:41,840 --> 02:10:42,079
>> Okay.

3510
02:10:42,079 --> 02:10:43,599
>> Um I mean I can see if there's

3511
02:10:43,599 --> 02:10:44,880
connection where I'm going to be, but

3512
02:10:44,880 --> 02:10:47,679
I'm going to be the country.

3513
02:10:47,679 --> 02:10:50,719
>> Okay. One one more thing. Um, I believe

3514
02:10:50,719 --> 02:10:53,040
this was brought up at the um, agenda

3515
02:10:53,040 --> 02:10:57,760
review as well for the 911 program

3516
02:10:57,760 --> 02:10:59,840
whether or not it was okay to have the

3517
02:10:59,840 --> 02:11:04,639
agenda workshop on 910 day before so we

3518
02:11:04,639 --> 02:11:07,760
can sponsor some type of event on 911

3519
02:11:07,760 --> 02:11:08,560
that morning.

3520
02:11:08,560 --> 02:11:10,000
>> I think that's when only you and I were

3521
02:11:10,000 --> 02:11:11,520
left Chris remember and we were like

3522
02:11:11,520 --> 02:11:14,880
maybe we should ask everybody else too.

3523
02:11:14,880 --> 02:11:16,880
Instead on 911 there's going to be a

3524
02:11:16,880 --> 02:11:19,599
thing a program

3525
02:11:19,599 --> 02:11:21,920
on 911.

3526
02:11:21,920 --> 02:11:24,800
>> So but we

3527
02:11:24,800 --> 02:11:27,280
>> they're doing

3528
02:11:27,280 --> 02:11:28,400
>> no no this is

3529
02:11:28,400 --> 02:11:30,400
>> no the 10th is budget

3530
02:11:30,400 --> 02:11:33,119
>> is the budget meeting about 9 a.m. to

3531
02:11:33,119 --> 02:11:34,159
have agenda meeting

3532
02:11:34,159 --> 02:11:40,310
>> agenda meeting instead of the next day.

3533
02:11:40,320 --> 02:11:45,430
Correct. Correct.

3534
02:11:45,440 --> 02:11:48,159
I can do that. Okay. Consensus or

3535
02:11:48,159 --> 02:11:50,639
>> consensus. You do that.

3536
02:11:50,639 --> 02:11:52,560
>> Consent.

3537
02:11:52,560 --> 02:11:54,800
>> Um I won't. Yeah.

3538
02:11:54,800 --> 02:11:55,760
>> It's okay.

3539
02:11:55,760 --> 02:11:58,159
>> Yeah.

3540
02:11:58,159 --> 02:11:59,840
>> Make sure it's on your calendar. So

3541
02:11:59,840 --> 02:12:00,239
>> yeah.

3542
02:12:00,239 --> 02:12:02,079
>> And that's all I have. Mayor, thank you.

3543
02:12:02,079 --> 02:12:05,520
>> Thank you. And what when is that 911?

3544
02:12:05,520 --> 02:12:07,520
What time is that going to be?

3545
02:12:07,520 --> 02:12:09,119
>> On I believe it's going to start like

3546
02:12:09,119 --> 02:12:10,400
8:00

3547
02:12:10,400 --> 02:12:11,199
>> in the morning.

3548
02:12:11,199 --> 02:12:12,796
>> Yeah. because maybe 8 o'clock

3549
02:12:12,796 --> 02:12:13,840
[clears throat] or 8:30. Remember the

3550
02:12:13,840 --> 02:12:15,679
first tower hit around 8:46 that

3551
02:12:15,679 --> 02:12:16,079
morning.

3552
02:12:16,079 --> 02:12:16,480
>> Yeah.

3553
02:12:16,480 --> 02:12:20,960
>> So, it's gonna be expect

3554
02:12:20,960 --> 02:12:21,280
>> um

3555
02:12:21,280 --> 02:12:21,760
>> just saying.

3556
02:12:21,760 --> 02:12:24,480
>> Oh, I also want to mention the citizens

3557
02:12:24,480 --> 02:12:27,440
um institute is starting up and and I

3558
02:12:27,440 --> 02:12:28,800
think there's so far there's a pretty

3559
02:12:28,800 --> 02:12:29,520
good sign up for it.

3560
02:12:29,520 --> 02:12:31,360
>> Correct.

3561
02:12:31,360 --> 02:12:33,119
>> Mr. attorney

3562
02:12:33,119 --> 02:12:35,760
>> on the uh property tax uh constitutional

3563
02:12:35,760 --> 02:12:37,679
amendment. Uh that is obviously

3564
02:12:37,679 --> 02:12:39,679
beginning to heat up lots of areas, lots

3565
02:12:39,679 --> 02:12:42,159
of discussions where you probably all

3566
02:12:42,159 --> 02:12:44,560
saw a story recently where some service

3567
02:12:44,560 --> 02:12:46,560
councils in the county predict that

3568
02:12:46,560 --> 02:12:48,800
there'll be less summer camps for

3569
02:12:48,800 --> 02:12:51,920
children property taxes. Martin County

3570
02:12:51,920 --> 02:12:53,840
just announced they probably lay 119

3571
02:12:53,840 --> 02:12:55,760
firefighters. So you're starting to see

3572
02:12:55,760 --> 02:12:57,920
a lot more public information. I know

3573
02:12:57,920 --> 02:12:59,920
the legislature has somewhat restricted

3574
02:12:59,920 --> 02:13:02,719
what cities and governments can do, but

3575
02:13:02,719 --> 02:13:04,560
there's no restriction and I certainly

3576
02:13:04,560 --> 02:13:06,239
been has to speak to lots of groups

3577
02:13:06,239 --> 02:13:07,599
about what can they do, whether it's

3578
02:13:07,599 --> 02:13:11,520
vendors, customers, you know, uh so I'm

3579
02:13:11,520 --> 02:13:12,880
I don't know if you're seeing that, but

3580
02:13:12,880 --> 02:13:14,079
already starting to see a lot of

3581
02:13:14,079 --> 02:13:16,719
organized opposition, people saying, you

3582
02:13:16,719 --> 02:13:19,440
know, not to vote to vote against that

3583
02:13:19,440 --> 02:13:21,679
amendment three. One of the legislators,

3584
02:13:21,679 --> 02:13:23,920
I forget, I read the paper said it's not

3585
02:13:23,920 --> 02:13:25,920
the business of a city to provide summer

3586
02:13:25,920 --> 02:13:27,119
camp for kids.

3587
02:13:27,119 --> 02:13:29,040
>> Right. I said 12.

3588
02:13:29,040 --> 02:13:30,719
>> Yeah. Well, this is the whole thing when

3589
02:13:30,719 --> 02:13:32,320
we had the conference two years ago and

3590
02:13:32,320 --> 02:13:35,280
the guy from Doge came and he was, you

3591
02:13:35,280 --> 02:13:38,079
know, it's not wasteful spending. Mo,

3592
02:13:38,079 --> 02:13:40,719
their focus is on wrong spending,

3593
02:13:40,719 --> 02:13:42,960
judging what we spend our money on.

3594
02:13:42,960 --> 02:13:45,280
Camps, you can cut them out. Libraries,

3595
02:13:45,280 --> 02:13:47,920
who needs them these days, who needs to

3596
02:13:47,920 --> 02:13:50,320
read? So, um, that's all you have.

3597
02:13:50,320 --> 02:13:51,119
>> That's it.

3598
02:13:51,119 --> 02:13:53,679
>> And it's wonderful news about the appeal

3599
02:13:53,679 --> 02:13:55,679
in favor of the city. Big news.

3600
02:13:55,679 --> 02:13:58,079
>> I should mention that, right? So, uh,

3601
02:13:58,079 --> 02:13:59,679
you know, we've been in litigation with

3602
02:13:59,679 --> 02:14:03,840
Mr. Beer for decades, literally. Um,

3603
02:14:03,840 --> 02:14:06,320
pretty short time as a police officer.

3604
02:14:06,320 --> 02:14:08,159
And uh you know, we had that lawsuit a

3605
02:14:08,159 --> 02:14:10,159
couple of years ago arguing about

3606
02:14:10,159 --> 02:14:11,840
whether the city was obligated to

3607
02:14:11,840 --> 02:14:13,840
provide anything more than the basic

3608
02:14:13,840 --> 02:14:15,599
health insurance, which was what we

3609
02:14:15,599 --> 02:14:17,599
agreed to in the in the settlement

3610
02:14:17,599 --> 02:14:18,880
agreement with him about a previous

3611
02:14:18,880 --> 02:14:23,119
litigation. And the jury uh found

3612
02:14:23,119 --> 02:14:27,040
somehow the 7.1 million verdict with

3613
02:14:27,040 --> 02:14:29,599
interest is almost 10 million nowadays.

3614
02:14:29,599 --> 02:14:32,719
Um and thankfully the fourth district

3615
02:14:32,719 --> 02:14:34,320
court of appeals has overruled that.

3616
02:14:34,320 --> 02:14:36,880
They have entered a 17page order finding

3617
02:14:36,880 --> 02:14:39,440
that the settlement agreement was

3618
02:14:39,440 --> 02:14:41,440
unambiguous which the parties had agreed

3619
02:14:41,440 --> 02:14:42,880
that it was unambiguous and that the

3620
02:14:42,880 --> 02:14:44,480
trial court should have ruled on that

3621
02:14:44,480 --> 02:14:46,400
and not sent that to the jury. That's

3622
02:14:46,400 --> 02:14:48,480
the essence of it. A jury is supposed to

3623
02:14:48,480 --> 02:14:50,320
decide facts. The judge is supposed to

3624
02:14:50,320 --> 02:14:52,320
decide law and legal arguments and the

3625
02:14:52,320 --> 02:14:54,400
judge in that case did not. So the

3626
02:14:54,400 --> 02:14:57,440
fourth district took a step further uh

3627
02:14:57,440 --> 02:14:59,760
not just directing the trial judge to

3628
02:14:59,760 --> 02:15:02,000
say you go back and you decide the

3629
02:15:02,000 --> 02:15:03,679
issue. they decided the issue. They

3630
02:15:03,679 --> 02:15:05,040
said, "No, we've interpreted this

3631
02:15:05,040 --> 02:15:07,280
contract. We've read this contract and

3632
02:15:07,280 --> 02:15:08,239
um amazing.

3633
02:15:08,239 --> 02:15:09,679
>> You know, we the city has complied

3634
02:15:09,679 --> 02:15:11,520
because to this day, we still provide

3635
02:15:11,520 --> 02:15:13,920
Mr. Vier and his family with agreed upon

3636
02:15:13,920 --> 02:15:15,840
health insurance, but that's all we're

3637
02:15:15,840 --> 02:15:17,360
supposed to provide." So, I would

3638
02:15:17,360 --> 02:15:18,880
anticipate that they will continue to

3639
02:15:18,880 --> 02:15:20,639
try and appeal that. I don't think

3640
02:15:20,639 --> 02:15:22,079
there's much chance that they're going

3641
02:15:22,079 --> 02:15:22,639
to uh

3642
02:15:22,639 --> 02:15:23,920
>> to the Supreme Court,

3643
02:15:23,920 --> 02:15:26,159
>> right, to get the Florida Florida

3644
02:15:26,159 --> 02:15:29,760
Supreme Court to look at this. Um, so

3645
02:15:29,760 --> 02:15:31,920
it'll probably be another four to six

3646
02:15:31,920 --> 02:15:33,520
months till it is done done because they

3647
02:15:33,520 --> 02:15:35,440
will exhaust and I would if I was in

3648
02:15:35,440 --> 02:15:37,119
their shoes to exhaust every possible

3649
02:15:37,119 --> 02:15:40,159
appellet remedy, but uh at some point in

3650
02:15:40,159 --> 02:15:41,920
the next few months there should be a

3651
02:15:41,920 --> 02:15:44,320
very official hopefully ending to this

3652
02:15:44,320 --> 02:15:45,520
saga.

3653
02:15:45,520 --> 02:15:46,880
>> Well, I have a trial in front of that

3654
02:15:46,880 --> 02:15:48,639
very same judge on August 6. I can

3655
02:15:48,639 --> 02:15:50,960
hardly wait.

3656
02:15:50,960 --> 02:15:52,079
>> Motion to adjurnn.

3657
02:15:52,079 --> 02:15:53,040
>> Do I have a second?

3658
02:15:53,040 --> 02:15:53,440
>> Second

3659
02:15:53,440 --> 02:15:57,520
>> by Mr. McCoy. Davidson.