1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:02,000 Thank you, sir. Y'all take care. Be safe. 2 00:00:07,040 --> 00:00:14,080 All right. Now back up to resolution number two, approving an 3 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:19,380 annual promissory note for the Gateway TIF. Can I get a motion to bring this to the 4 00:00:19,380 --> 00:00:27,260 floor? Motion. Second. All right. Paul? Okay, I'm gonna turn this primarily over to Al 5 00:00:27,260 --> 00:00:32,240 to explain it to you, but now I'll just stop right there and let you talk with me. 6 00:00:36,380 --> 00:00:38,560 Good afternoon, the board and the chairman. 7 00:00:39,240 --> 00:00:45,140 So this resolution is approving a promissory note on the Gateway project that we've previously 8 00:00:45,140 --> 00:00:49,960 entered into a TIF financing on this project itself, where we approved a note, loan documents, 9 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:54,380 the Pledge of TIF revenues, the same thing we've done in other TIF projects, we did 10 00:00:54,380 --> 00:00:56,200 a financing going into and of itself. 11 00:00:56,780 --> 00:00:58,700 This promissory note has annual renewal. 12 00:00:59,660 --> 00:01:04,500 As you know, the IDB is the technically the borrower under the TIF notes. 13 00:01:05,140 --> 00:01:06,920 That's how we're able to replace the TIF revenues. 14 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:10,600 The same as what this note, the same as the other note is going through. 15 00:01:11,500 --> 00:01:15,800 We are not pledging any tax dollars to the City of Lakeland, 16 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:19,220 or the IDB is not guaranteeing the note going in and of itself. 17 00:01:19,760 --> 00:01:23,520 It's simply a promissory note going in and of itself for the annual renewal process. 18 00:01:24,100 --> 00:01:30,320 Our only obligation will be to provide the tax increment revenues as they come due to us. 19 00:01:30,620 --> 00:01:34,920 Which, again, as we know that comes, happens, I want to say, twice a year. 20 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:39,080 But, again, it's the same thing we've done in the past. 21 00:01:39,520 --> 00:01:41,400 There's no rhyme or reason to it. 22 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:43,380 It's just, again, it's just that anyone who is going through that process. 23 00:01:43,900 --> 00:01:46,160 Again, with the IDB being the borrower, 24 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:49,700 we wanted to make sure that Mr. Luker had authority from the IDB to sign it, 25 00:01:49,700 --> 00:01:54,200 to sign the note itself. It's just for authority purposes. 26 00:02:04,750 --> 00:02:06,010 Any questions on this one? 27 00:02:06,490 --> 00:02:07,950 Seems pretty straightforward to me. 28 00:02:18,750 --> 00:02:21,250 I think we're good. Thanks, Hal. Thanks, Paul. 29 00:02:21,710 --> 00:02:26,730 All in favor of approving the resolution for the promissory note? 30 00:02:27,760 --> 00:02:28,330 Say aye. 31 00:02:28,670 --> 00:02:29,030 Aye. 32 00:02:29,770 --> 00:02:30,330 All opposed? 33 00:02:31,930 --> 00:02:34,170 All right. Resolution is approved. 34 00:02:35,350 --> 00:02:41,010 Next up, number three, resolution approving draw request 27 in connection with the tax 35 00:02:41,010 --> 00:02:43,250 increment financing for Ashmont developer LLC. 36 00:02:44,470 --> 00:02:45,910 Can I get a motion to bring this to the floor? 37 00:02:46,210 --> 00:02:46,490 Motion. 38 00:02:46,830 --> 00:02:47,230 Second. 39 00:02:47,830 --> 00:02:48,310 Thank you all. 40 00:02:53,390 --> 00:02:56,010 So this is a draw request for Ashmont development. 41 00:02:57,150 --> 00:03:03,810 What's a little different, and why I say this is actually being funded, this draw 42 00:03:03,810 --> 00:03:06,270 is actually being funded out of the developer's equity. 43 00:03:08,810 --> 00:03:13,390 So it's, Al, you can try to explain that. 44 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:21,440 So the developer is funding this TIF, not through the loan itself, but through their own equity 45 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:22,220 going forward. 46 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:25,140 Obviously they're asking the IDB to approve this development. 47 00:03:25,700 --> 00:03:29,360 In the event there's more TIF dollars come through this, they come through. 48 00:03:29,620 --> 00:03:34,040 If there's a surplus, they wouldn't be able to access the surplus. 49 00:03:34,700 --> 00:03:38,300 Right now they don't have anything else going through, their loan is tapped out, 50 00:03:38,300 --> 00:03:43,380 But, again, in the event there's a surplus going on of itself, they want to be able to 51 00:03:43,380 --> 00:03:48,880 say they've gone through the process, you know what I mean, and allow this to be paid 52 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:49,740 from the TIF dollars. 53 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:52,020 We've done this before. 54 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:52,880 Yes, sir. 55 00:03:53,380 --> 00:03:54,020 Yes, sir. 56 00:03:54,160 --> 00:04:00,780 Again, easier to, as we understand, it's easier to ask for this commission now, when it's 57 00:04:00,780 --> 00:04:06,000 been done going through, as opposed to years from now, when there's excess that we 58 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:06,640 don't know about it. 59 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:07,260 Any 60 00:04:11,930 --> 00:04:12,790 questions on this one? 61 00:04:21,570 --> 00:04:26,270 All right, none. All in favor of approving the draw request 62 00:04:26,270 --> 00:04:28,430 for Ashmen? Say aye. 63 00:04:28,790 --> 00:04:29,110 Aye. 64 00:04:29,870 --> 00:04:30,370 Oh, opposed. 65 00:04:31,490 --> 00:04:33,550 All right, resolution is approved. 66 00:04:37,410 --> 00:04:37,990 Thank you, All! 67 00:04:38,370 --> 00:04:38,770 All 68 00:04:42,290 --> 00:04:49,930 right, next up. Resolution number five, stipend request for IDV President Paul Lielker. 69 00:04:49,930 --> 00:04:52,930 or can I get a motion to bring this to the floor? 70 00:04:53,190 --> 00:04:53,570 Motion. 71 00:04:54,090 --> 00:04:54,470 Second. 72 00:04:55,210 --> 00:04:55,590 All right. 73 00:04:55,690 --> 00:04:56,010 Thank you. 74 00:04:58,810 --> 00:05:06,350 Paul, I appreciate if you'll kind of direct us to this 75 00:05:06,350 --> 00:05:12,710 and just remind us what was with the previous president. 76 00:05:17,430 --> 00:05:18,510 I guess that's the first one. 77 00:05:18,510 --> 00:05:22,650 I think this is the same as we did for the previous one. 78 00:05:22,650 --> 00:05:25,090 Do you want more while you're up there? 79 00:05:25,470 --> 00:05:28,750 A thousand times. 80 00:05:30,820 --> 00:05:38,060 It's following the same formula that was used previously for the president. 81 00:05:41,840 --> 00:05:50,360 The stipend is coming out of TIF revenues to pay the stipend. 82 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:52,760 Appreciate what you do for us, Paul. 83 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:53,980 Thank you. 84 00:05:54,100 --> 00:05:57,120 So the stipend comes out of the TIF revenues? 85 00:05:57,700 --> 00:05:57,840 Yes. 86 00:05:58,020 --> 00:05:58,960 It's not general fund. 87 00:05:59,180 --> 00:06:01,460 It does not affect the general fund. 88 00:06:02,060 --> 00:06:02,980 Oh, that makes you feel that way. 89 00:06:03,020 --> 00:06:04,620 Or under the current aid, doesn't it? 90 00:06:04,700 --> 00:06:05,860 That makes you feel a little bit excited. 91 00:06:05,900 --> 00:06:08,880 I was about to have a problem with you getting paid as much as our commissioners and our 92 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:09,080 mayor. 93 00:06:11,860 --> 00:06:12,900 Don't go there. 94 00:06:13,800 --> 00:06:14,720 Don't go there. 95 00:06:17,660 --> 00:06:20,420 Well, yeah, certainly, you know, I appreciate the work you're doing, Paul. 96 00:06:20,420 --> 00:06:25,720 I know you're still new into it, but just just thank you much. You've definitely jumped in 97 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:31,280 You know and and and just just ran with it. You know really appreciate it 98 00:06:31,280 --> 00:06:33,720 Well, I'm excited to get to work with you guys 99 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:42,320 I was telling you our phone call the other day that I've worked with economic development teams before in my previous jobs 100 00:06:42,860 --> 00:06:47,880 Most of that was an industrial economic development. It was and we we made some some retail 101 00:06:49,140 --> 00:06:55,300 We ran attempts to recruit retail, we weren't all that successful with that. 102 00:06:55,380 --> 00:06:59,380 We were very successful with some of the industrial stuff that we did, but I've been on some of 103 00:06:59,380 --> 00:07:04,580 those teams, but never got to have the reins in my hand for extended periods of time. 104 00:07:04,740 --> 00:07:07,260 So I'm excited about just giving it a try. 105 00:07:10,460 --> 00:07:17,400 I would also like to say how much I appreciate all you've done, and in general I support 106 00:07:17,400 --> 00:07:22,960 you know us using some of the funds that we have to help pay for the work that 107 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:26,940 you're doing with that being said or the president does with that being said I 108 00:07:26,940 --> 00:07:33,620 think it's very important for us to also kind of say what some of our 109 00:07:33,620 --> 00:07:39,380 expectations are right I agree and my expectation is that generally the 110 00:07:39,380 --> 00:07:47,360 president of the board is present at these meetings and so you know as far 111 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:50,440 that goes for me not to say that you have to be at every meeting or you can 112 00:07:50,440 --> 00:07:59,180 never but but I do if I will push to rescind the stipend if all of a sudden we 113 00:07:59,180 --> 00:08:03,240 start having meetings you know four or five six seven meetings where the 114 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:07,260 president of the board is not here so I 115 00:08:10,780 --> 00:08:11,900 had to say that matter and again 116 00:08:11,900 --> 00:08:15,320 that's nothing for you I'm just I don't think we made that clear the 117 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:19,680 last time we did this and so I feel like no I agree 118 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:25,100 I mean, because it's one of those things where, you know, $500 I know is not a lot of money, 119 00:08:25,540 --> 00:08:27,080 but it's not a small amount of money. 120 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:33,420 So I mean, it has to kind of go hand in hand, you know, there has to be a sense of accountability 121 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:41,100 in order to, you know, just show up once and I got this, I got that, and actually, you 122 00:08:41,100 --> 00:08:45,380 know, we see in May, and I got this and I got that, oh wait, it's August, you 123 00:08:45,380 --> 00:08:46,100 know, that kind of thing. 124 00:08:46,100 --> 00:08:48,960 You can't have this kind of interaction if you're not. 125 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:50,160 Absolutely. No, I agree. 126 00:08:53,160 --> 00:08:54,380 I got points and thank y'all. 127 00:08:56,780 --> 00:08:57,900 Anything else? 128 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,180 Seeing no further comments, let's call the vote. 129 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,840 All in favor of the stipend resolution, say aye. 130 00:09:10,360 --> 00:09:10,560 Aye. 131 00:09:11,060 --> 00:09:11,600 All opposed? 132 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:14,320 The resolution is approved. 133 00:09:16,140 --> 00:09:16,460 Okay. 134 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:18,720 Next up, number six, 135 00:09:20,900 --> 00:09:24,200 discussion, marketing strategy for city-owned properties. 136 00:09:25,160 --> 00:09:30,440 can I get a motion? Second. Thank you. There's 137 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:40,060 two maps. So this first map is our 138 00:09:40,060 --> 00:09:44,560 city on properties. Now that's a little confusing because it was just some of 139 00:09:44,560 --> 00:09:53,430 those are park properties and some yeah but really what I wanted to talk about 140 00:09:53,430 --> 00:09:57,810 with the two city properties that we that we acquired through the there's 141 00:09:57,810 --> 00:10:05,350 some of our combination efforts so there's the one acre lot next to the 142 00:10:05,350 --> 00:10:11,030 church that they're currently using for overflow parking and then there's the 143 00:10:11,030 --> 00:10:16,830 site of the relax in so really what I put this on the agenda for was just do 144 00:10:16,830 --> 00:10:21,130 some preliminary brainstorming or just to not even brainstorm unless you 145 00:10:21,130 --> 00:10:26,010 have unless you already have some thoughts but to put this in your in 146 00:10:26,010 --> 00:10:36,950 your thoughts as to how we could maybe see those properties develop, right? So one, 147 00:10:37,290 --> 00:10:41,310 the one by the church it's just an acre, it's not that big, but there are things 148 00:10:41,310 --> 00:10:45,610 you, there are potentials that you could. But you still get 15,000 square feet. Sure. 149 00:10:46,130 --> 00:10:51,110 And then the relax inside, it's bigger, but it has access issues because 150 00:10:51,110 --> 00:10:56,370 it's you know because of the median there in front of it. Isn't there five 151 00:10:56,370 --> 00:11:00,030 acres attached to that too that's over there? Which one are you testing? 152 00:11:00,290 --> 00:11:05,030 Relaxing. There's some property behind it but we do not control it. I thought we 153 00:11:05,030 --> 00:11:08,190 had that one okay. No no we have talked about it we talked about easements we 154 00:11:08,190 --> 00:11:14,770 talked about but so that it may evolve into us thinking thinking along 155 00:11:14,770 --> 00:11:18,190 those lines too because there's those ideals are still out there but I 156 00:11:18,190 --> 00:11:22,710 I think it seems like this is low-hanging fruit 157 00:11:22,710 --> 00:11:24,290 in that it's got good location. 158 00:11:25,510 --> 00:11:29,370 And so maybe this is not meant to be statements 159 00:11:29,370 --> 00:11:31,250 or kind of question statements, right? 160 00:11:31,430 --> 00:11:35,090 So that just seems like that would be a place to start. 161 00:11:36,070 --> 00:11:38,790 If y'all think differently, I'd be glad to hear it. 162 00:11:39,430 --> 00:11:43,210 Also, if you have ideals about maybe things 163 00:11:43,210 --> 00:11:51,290 we can try to pursue, you know, go knock on somebody's door and say, hey, we got this 164 00:11:52,090 --> 00:11:52,410 site. 165 00:11:52,530 --> 00:11:53,210 What do you think about it? 166 00:11:53,290 --> 00:11:56,110 So if you have those ideas, I'd be glad to hear them as well. 167 00:11:56,590 --> 00:11:59,390 Oh, where are they, where are they zoned, zoning on these things? 168 00:11:59,470 --> 00:11:59,790 C2. 169 00:12:00,650 --> 00:12:00,930 All of them. 170 00:12:00,930 --> 00:12:01,750 So they're commercial. 171 00:12:01,950 --> 00:12:02,810 Yeah, they're all commercial. 172 00:12:03,130 --> 00:12:07,690 And they're all within the boundaries of the TIFT district, too. 173 00:12:07,950 --> 00:12:09,830 I believe all those are captured within the TIFT district. 174 00:12:09,830 --> 00:12:20,190 So I've got, I'll be working on some things too, you know, the ideals, but I didn't want to belay it. 175 00:12:20,670 --> 00:12:25,430 I'm hitting you with a cold, but that's really, I just wanted to start that ideal of thinking about. 176 00:12:25,670 --> 00:12:28,890 So essentially those are two most attractive and we're going to start with them. 177 00:12:29,450 --> 00:12:30,870 It feels like it, yes. 178 00:12:30,910 --> 00:12:32,190 Yes, absolutely. 179 00:12:32,710 --> 00:12:34,370 That's big enough for a grocery though, right? 180 00:12:35,150 --> 00:12:36,190 Not big enough for a grocery. 181 00:12:36,670 --> 00:12:42,350 What on the access to each of those is the, is the main, I'm sorry, the access to each 182 00:12:42,350 --> 00:12:47,610 of those is the main thing when you, you know, you can only get to the one coming southbound 183 00:12:47,610 --> 00:12:52,270 on Canada and then the other one you actually have to go out and around, you know, so that's 184 00:12:52,270 --> 00:12:58,150 the hardest part to market any of those is that you have limited, so, so the one acre 185 00:12:58,150 --> 00:13:04,010 site will be across, across from the community center when it's built, right, so you're 186 00:13:04,010 --> 00:13:07,290 going to have some foot traffic going to the community center so you may have 187 00:13:07,290 --> 00:13:10,570 something that you could play off of that right because you'll have daycare at 188 00:13:10,570 --> 00:13:15,530 the community center you'll have recreation there so you you know you 189 00:13:15,530 --> 00:13:20,210 could I mean I'm not saying a coffee shop but I'm gonna say coffee shop because 190 00:13:20,210 --> 00:13:27,130 I can't think of anything else right now but some small 15,000 not that 191 00:13:27,130 --> 00:13:34,890 small right but but that's not small at all no but so you know no I told you 192 00:13:34,890 --> 00:13:38,970 because I was I was when I was there because I've been thinking about it 193 00:13:38,970 --> 00:13:44,530 since it was brought up and you know I've got a few ideas but but the main 194 00:13:44,530 --> 00:13:47,630 thing that keeps coming back to me is that especially with there being a 195 00:13:47,630 --> 00:13:51,070 community center right there and it's gonna be a bunch of you know mixed 196 00:13:51,070 --> 00:13:58,250 stages you know the ultimate mixed age you know we have one I mean technically 197 00:13:58,250 --> 00:14:04,070 we have two but really we have one sandwich shop in the whole city I know 198 00:14:04,070 --> 00:14:08,350 we're not the biggest we're a little over 11,000 but Arlington guy was about 199 00:14:08,350 --> 00:14:13,270 like what 2,500 3,000 people and they've got like seven sandwich shops yeah 200 00:14:13,270 --> 00:14:18,030 so I mean I think we get support too yeah but before I get too far ahead of 201 00:14:19,610 --> 00:14:28,540 Next month, Will Patterson is going to come talk to us about doing this, right? 202 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:31,940 Because we've got to make sure we're not stepping over the line. 203 00:14:32,820 --> 00:14:38,360 We do have a little more flexibility in the preliminary conversation with Will than the city itself would. 204 00:14:39,260 --> 00:14:45,840 In my mind, if the city would have to take advertise for proposals or just do a land auction, right? 205 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:51,100 I mean, we don't just get to go say, hey, we're going to work a deal with you, right? 206 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:58,220 We, you have to make general, the general public know what your intentions are so you 207 00:14:58,220 --> 00:14:59,960 can get, it doesn't look like a problem. 208 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:05,680 Backroom deal, right? But I do believe we have a little more flexibility talking to 209 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:11,640 Will as an IDB. But I'll let him, I'll let him explain. 210 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:16,180 Church interested in buying it, or could we use it for overflow parking for the 211 00:15:16,180 --> 00:15:21,060 community center? Those are, those are two, those are two ideals as well. Yes, and 212 00:15:21,060 --> 00:15:25,200 those, those don't require. I know, what kind of revenue does 213 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:30,500 over new overflow parking place. It's such a small thing. I'm just asking. I'm 15,000 214 00:15:30,500 --> 00:15:34,620 square feet. I'm assuming that we create more money than overflow parking. We'll put parking 215 00:15:34,620 --> 00:15:38,960 meters in there. Because you and your friends love talking about money. Y'all always talking 216 00:15:38,960 --> 00:15:43,500 about money. So we have a chance to make some. We have a chance to bring it up before 217 00:15:43,500 --> 00:15:47,540 you. We're just going to put parking meters in there. There you go. Parking meters. 218 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:53,940 I just throw a couple quarters in there. Now Paul, thank you much for bringing this 219 00:15:53,940 --> 00:16:01,660 up and as a continuation of the last time Wilt was in here, we started talking about 220 00:16:01,660 --> 00:16:06,200 there or at least introduced the concepts and looking forward to next month with him 221 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:06,700 as well. 222 00:16:07,280 --> 00:16:10,260 Did you all have anything else on this? 223 00:16:11,040 --> 00:16:14,700 When do we expect the community center to be started and completed? 224 00:16:15,900 --> 00:16:21,880 So the groundbreaking is on next Thursday at 1 p.m. so we encourage anybody that's 225 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:23,420 available to come out, come to that. 226 00:16:24,140 --> 00:16:26,620 The notice for seed was issued to the contractor, 227 00:16:26,780 --> 00:16:27,860 Moss Carpenter is the contractor, 228 00:16:28,060 --> 00:16:30,560 so they'll be starting just in the next few weeks 229 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:31,460 weather permitting. 230 00:16:33,460 --> 00:16:34,460 There's weather coming? 231 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:34,960 What? 232 00:16:36,960 --> 00:16:37,360 Okay. 233 00:16:38,140 --> 00:16:41,200 All right, and do we have an estimated 234 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:43,820 like a target completion date for that? 235 00:16:43,920 --> 00:16:45,000 Is that a two-year build? 236 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:47,960 It's about an 18-month build. 237 00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:48,420 18-month build. 238 00:16:48,420 --> 00:16:51,180 So yeah, so we're trying for next summer, 239 00:16:51,180 --> 00:16:58,780 but it could be summer to fall just depending on lead time on materials whether you know all the things but 240 00:16:58,780 --> 00:17:02,920 We're targeting for you know summer or early fall of next year. 241 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,820 Yeah, I just I think that 242 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:15,580 It might be beneficial for this board to sit down and really look at how 243 00:17:15,580 --> 00:17:22,180 Like what all is going to be included in the community center? What all is going to be like how's 244 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:28,680 the traffic's expected to flow, how the parking like we talked about is expected 245 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:31,960 to be set up, because we say, oh it's right across the street from Community 246 00:17:31,960 --> 00:17:36,740 Center, but if it's out the back door, right, and no one can get there, then 247 00:17:36,740 --> 00:17:41,860 it's not really, it's, I just, I think before we start throwing out a bunch 248 00:17:41,860 --> 00:17:47,520 of ideas, it'd be really good to sit down and think about what's there, how's 249 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:50,940 it going to be shaped, and then is there anything that we think would 250 00:17:50,940 --> 00:17:59,840 maybe be some ideal fits for that kind of a setup again. I just, just my two sons. 251 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:06,020 We could distribute the site plan and you'll be able to tell what, you know, what, you know, 252 00:18:06,080 --> 00:18:11,860 where's the early learning center and where's the impression under the initial like site 253 00:18:11,860 --> 00:18:16,400 plans that they did like the whole caricature kind of sketch. Yes. It was pretty much 254 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:24,680 360 which really isn't a backdoor right there's it's just multiple entrances and exits throughout the whole space and like a 255 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:31,600 Large portion of it can actually convert from an open to from an open area place center to a closed place center 256 00:18:31,600 --> 00:18:37,040 And so I mean there's there from what I understand is it's gonna be a lot more accessible from pretty much every angle 257 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:42,960 We could definitely if y'all won't say we can put it on the agenda for next month 258 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:48,080 to talk about the site plan and I mean at this point you know so if it's a 259 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:52,340 community center and there's fitness stuff and stuff like that there you know 260 00:18:52,340 --> 00:18:55,000 I don't know that we have one of those healthy shake places around there used to 261 00:18:55,000 --> 00:19:01,660 be one on Arlington I don't know that there's one around here I know me and 262 00:19:01,660 --> 00:19:06,800 my daughter all the way to German town for one there's one in the corner by 263 00:19:06,800 --> 00:19:10,320 orders theory there's one next door to it okay yeah oh gotcha gotcha gotcha 264 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:17,900 and then there's another one on 64 but to that point they're not right 265 00:19:17,900 --> 00:19:21,180 they're next to you know when my daughter got done with her sweat and 266 00:19:21,180 --> 00:19:25,560 she'd go and have one of those or right now she has a kid so it's a she goes to 267 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:29,460 work out if she comes out and there's one she can see yep you know well I'm 268 00:19:29,460 --> 00:19:34,300 interested in there's also there's also there I don't know how much racket 269 00:19:34,300 --> 00:19:39,780 sports will have at the community center but what about a racket you know 270 00:19:39,780 --> 00:19:44,200 like something that sells pickleball stuff and tennis and and racquetball and 271 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:48,380 like that again I think that's why we should really look at what's there and 272 00:19:48,380 --> 00:19:52,140 then what we're missing and and again we ultimately don't have to say 273 00:19:52,140 --> 00:19:57,260 anyways ultimately whoever buys that piece of property is gonna have to say 274 00:19:57,260 --> 00:20:02,320 what they do want it but but I think some creative thought process could 275 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:06,400 help and process excuse me if it's something that we thought would be 276 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:12,820 successful we'll go try to knock on some doors and say hey we got you come look at 277 00:20:12,820 --> 00:20:19,940 what we got yeah well certainly to y'all's point yeah I think it'd be a good 278 00:20:19,940 --> 00:20:24,020 idea to help us you know visualize what it is what we're what we're talking about 279 00:20:24,020 --> 00:20:28,960 you know we end on yeah because it's that what we're talking about there 280 00:20:28,960 --> 00:20:33,280 would be true for the for the relax inside as well they're there the 281 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:37,400 The Ashmont and the community center are going to be put 282 00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:37,720 trivacals. 283 00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:38,220 Well, yeah. 284 00:20:38,360 --> 00:20:45,680 I mean, Ashmont more for the relax, and again, in my mind, and maybe I'm looking at this 285 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,920 completely wrong, but I'm thinking about me as a driver, I'm thinking me as a citizen, 286 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:51,920 I'm thinking me as a customer, a member, right? 287 00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:58,600 The way the traffic patterns are set up and the way we're doing it, those are 288 00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:04,520 to me two disconnected pieces of property not connected, right? Unless we did 289 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:12,340 something significant for walking bridges over the interstate or not the 290 00:21:12,340 --> 00:21:17,820 interstate but Canada Road or something like that, like at July 4th parking at 291 00:21:17,820 --> 00:21:21,420 the gas station and playing Frogger to get across the street to try to get to 292 00:21:21,420 --> 00:21:24,620 the fireworks place, right? Like you see people doing that, it's crazy. 293 00:21:28,580 --> 00:21:28,580 Not 294 00:21:28,580 --> 00:21:29,080 be crazy. 295 00:21:32,540 --> 00:21:38,600 Anyway, so I think the Ashmont probably has a little bit more what 296 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:45,060 developments have going on in Ashmont, you know, and how does that impact relax in, 297 00:21:45,160 --> 00:21:49,420 whereas I really do think that the biggest value that we're going to bring 298 00:21:49,420 --> 00:21:53,240 is who and how many people and what sort of footsteps. I mean as a business 299 00:21:53,820 --> 00:21:56,060 that's what you're going to care about, right? What's the 300 00:21:56,060 --> 00:21:57,240 What's the impressions? 301 00:21:57,520 --> 00:21:58,040 What's the footsteps? 302 00:21:59,100 --> 00:22:00,700 Yeah, who's gonna walk through the door? 303 00:22:04,120 --> 00:22:05,500 Probably physical therapy, 304 00:22:05,500 --> 00:22:07,140 because people like me will get in there 305 00:22:07,140 --> 00:22:08,280 and do things we shouldn't do, 306 00:22:08,400 --> 00:22:11,900 and then need like a therapist. 307 00:22:15,610 --> 00:22:16,250 Anything else? 308 00:22:19,300 --> 00:22:19,600 All right. 309 00:22:20,700 --> 00:22:22,040 We'll move on to the final, 310 00:22:22,700 --> 00:22:25,060 seeing no further discussion on number six. 311 00:22:26,100 --> 00:22:26,980 Number seven, discussion, 312 00:22:27,220 --> 00:22:28,980 positive procedures for general requests. 313 00:22:29,720 --> 00:22:31,040 Can you get a motion to bring this to the floor, 314 00:22:31,100 --> 00:22:31,240 please? 315 00:22:31,420 --> 00:22:31,660 Motion. 316 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:32,400 Second. 317 00:22:33,360 --> 00:22:33,880 Okay, 318 00:22:37,800 --> 00:22:42,720 this is, don't shoot the message, this is me, I'm the messenger, but I want it open. 319 00:22:42,960 --> 00:22:49,460 And so this is, this goes back to what mainly what we've been meeting on, you've been meeting 320 00:22:49,460 --> 00:22:54,540 for the last past what, two, two plus years, approving draw request, right? 321 00:22:55,300 --> 00:23:01,280 So the way the draw request is set up is that, you know, the bank makes a loan based 322 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:09,140 stone us a set of improvements that are that are qualified under the TIF developer 323 00:23:09,140 --> 00:23:19,000 puts those in and then we have a 30-party expert go and inspect it and document it so 324 00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:30,760 once that's done I mean it's an administrative process it so what I'm 325 00:23:30,760 --> 00:23:36,440 bring this up is because it makes your your life harder because you have to come 326 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:41,260 to meetings to vote on something that really I don't say how you can turn it 327 00:23:41,260 --> 00:23:45,080 down at the expert said it was done right unless you found something wrong 328 00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:54,100 which we're always open to that it's the time crunch between the developer 329 00:23:54,100 --> 00:24:00,360 submitting for payment and us being able to meet so it's it's it's a 330 00:24:00,360 --> 00:24:06,180 burden on the developer, it's a burden on you. For me, it's fine either way. It's fine. 331 00:24:06,660 --> 00:24:11,860 But it seems to me like, and I'm not asking first to make any decisions tonight, so that's 332 00:24:11,860 --> 00:24:17,540 why I'm just a discussion, but just consider that some of these tasks would be administrative 333 00:24:17,540 --> 00:24:23,520 and not require y'all to meet and have a vote on them. And that's, just want to 334 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:24,240 start that conversation. 335 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:29,420 I've talked to both Al and Will about this ideal. 336 00:24:31,060 --> 00:24:34,500 First thing they say is, Paul, we're the only IDB that does it this way. 337 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:39,220 So, sorry, were you done? 338 00:24:39,540 --> 00:24:39,800 I am. 339 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:40,140 Yes, sir. 340 00:24:40,200 --> 00:24:40,340 Okay. 341 00:24:41,300 --> 00:24:48,500 100% agree that we've already committed the funds and then we get together and we 342 00:24:48,500 --> 00:24:50,620 just approve it and no one ever objects. 343 00:24:50,620 --> 00:24:53,480 I don't necessarily disagree with any of that. 344 00:24:53,980 --> 00:24:59,640 I would say the one thing that we get from approving the TIF request the way we do 345 00:24:59,640 --> 00:25:06,020 is that we're able to kind of ask for developers to come in and give us some updates 346 00:25:06,020 --> 00:25:07,480 when we would like to have updates. 347 00:25:07,940 --> 00:25:13,260 So if we're going to do it as an administrative, change it to be more administrative, 348 00:25:13,620 --> 00:25:16,900 I would think this board, based on my history with the board, 349 00:25:16,900 --> 00:25:23,300 would like to have maybe once a quarter or bi-yearly, you know, something, bi-annually 350 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:33,250 report-outs from the developers because I think that's what the board would like, just based 351 00:25:33,250 --> 00:25:34,470 on the questions I see. 352 00:25:34,630 --> 00:25:38,850 No, I totally agree because I mean, it's kind of crazy because I'm due to the board. 353 00:25:39,070 --> 00:25:42,250 You know, these are old-timers compared to me. 354 00:25:42,950 --> 00:25:44,010 But the point is that- 355 00:25:44,010 --> 00:25:44,390 Thank you. 356 00:25:44,630 --> 00:25:45,070 Absolutely. 357 00:25:45,070 --> 00:25:51,890 Absolutely, but I thought that was weird at first, my first guy on this board was, we 358 00:25:51,890 --> 00:25:55,190 were all here to vote on it, it's if that the developer wasn't here to accept. 359 00:25:56,130 --> 00:25:57,090 That blew me away. 360 00:25:58,050 --> 00:26:02,850 I was like, so the developer wants $300,000, but they didn't show up. 361 00:26:05,140 --> 00:26:05,560 You see what I mean? 362 00:26:06,740 --> 00:26:10,140 It's kind of like he's disrespecting us, saying, why are y'all here? 363 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:14,020 Like trying to play stupid, like, why are y'all here? 364 00:26:14,020 --> 00:26:17,300 All you guys have to do is just turn it over to somebody else, let them sign it off, you 365 00:26:17,300 --> 00:26:17,840 just stay home. 366 00:26:18,780 --> 00:26:25,040 You know, that's what I did, you know, in his or her perspective, and I just, you know, 367 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,740 it's one of those things where if we do decide to make it administrative, that's fine. 368 00:26:29,220 --> 00:26:33,900 I agree with him, you know, get an updated recorder, but if we don't decide that and 369 00:26:33,900 --> 00:26:37,460 we decide to stay it face to face, they need to start bringing their butts up in 370 00:26:37,460 --> 00:26:39,460 here and showing us some respect. 371 00:26:39,460 --> 00:26:42,920 If they want that money, the least they can do is come and show up. 372 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:49,620 Well, I see, I mean, I get your point also, but then to the other extent, they have already done all the stuff. 373 00:26:50,100 --> 00:26:52,440 They did the dog and pony to say, hey, we've earned it. 374 00:26:53,220 --> 00:26:56,400 And we pay somebody to look at it and say, you're right, you do earn it. 375 00:26:57,660 --> 00:27:01,240 So I would agree it's more administrative to have them sit in front of us. 376 00:27:01,300 --> 00:27:05,900 It would be better just to say, hey, we've put it on the calendar once a quarter, you know, by annually or whatnot, 377 00:27:05,900 --> 00:27:09,920 You need to come up and say it and split them out or what not in my thought 378 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,400 You'd still get all the all the same information you get now in a report 379 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:17,880 You'd still get the same stuff that was provided to you tonight. It's you still get it 380 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,000 But just be as a report 381 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:23,940 So you still track still track it and we just let them up front 382 00:27:23,940 --> 00:27:28,260 You got to come you got to come once a quarter and and let us talk to you 383 00:27:29,320 --> 00:27:36,520 Yeah, and I mean they do come in and Jeff and they'll spend an hour or two hours with us 384 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,140 before we approach the post. 385 00:27:38,260 --> 00:27:41,360 I've seen a developer in here twice. 386 00:27:41,740 --> 00:27:45,920 I get 100 percent, 100 percent. 387 00:27:46,120 --> 00:27:50,200 And then we also have to have these rushed meetings at the end of the year or round 388 00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,240 travel times and again, 389 00:27:55,690 --> 00:27:58,690 the only thing I want to be able to vote on as a board 390 00:27:58,690 --> 00:28:04,890 is like what we did tonight right where we've committed 13 million dollars or 391 00:28:04,890 --> 00:28:10,710 14 million dollars and now it's like well there may be excess I mean I have my 392 00:28:10,710 --> 00:28:16,350 own opinions on that right think we had a deal we agreed 13 million bucks like 393 00:28:16,350 --> 00:28:21,230 if all of a sudden the vi property value goes up I don't know that I feel as 394 00:28:21,230 --> 00:28:26,530 obligated as a board to then hand that money back over for the next 20 395 00:28:26,530 --> 00:28:32,330 years like you know I just think there's times where we need to have that debate 396 00:28:32,330 --> 00:28:37,310 and sometimes it makes sense to do it and sometimes it doesn't so changes like 397 00:28:37,310 --> 00:28:42,290 that I'm sure would still come to us correct like if someone like what we the 398 00:28:42,290 --> 00:28:48,230 vote we had tonight about extending the TIF if future TIF funds come 399 00:28:48,230 --> 00:28:52,630 available like the loan the loan the update of the loan not the update of 400 00:28:52,630 --> 00:28:57,630 the loan, the Ashcroft TIF, where we said look they've spent all their money on 401 00:28:57,630 --> 00:29:04,490 their their TIF. Yeah. But if more property tax gets collected than is 402 00:29:04,490 --> 00:29:10,130 projected, we're going to give that money also back to the developer to pay on 403 00:29:10,130 --> 00:29:15,850 their loans. I would think that I would still want to come in front of the 404 00:29:15,850 --> 00:29:19,870 board. Oh no, absolutely, I agree. I think that would have to, but that's 405 00:29:19,870 --> 00:29:27,010 It's probably an out question to be honest with you, but I believe that has to come back 406 00:29:27,010 --> 00:29:32,110 to you, even based on how I was explaining it tonight, it seemed like that was our passion. 407 00:29:32,110 --> 00:29:33,850 Yeah, that's how I would take it too. 408 00:29:34,230 --> 00:29:38,210 But paying what we've already committed to pay if the experts have signed off on it. 409 00:29:41,180 --> 00:29:43,260 We probably can't do anything about it tonight. 410 00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:49,580 We probably need more details and proposals, but fully on board with that, happy to 411 00:29:49,580 --> 00:29:54,040 Give the president of the ID be the power to sign that you just saying 412 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,640 We can we can we can bring it back next month if you 413 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:07,400 Think about it. I don't know. I don't know. I'm in the middle. I can't decide if it's the right thing. 414 00:30:07,420 --> 00:30:11,060 I just know we have never said no. We've never said no. 415 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:17,000 Not a single person has ever said no. Not only has not a vote failed, not a single person has said no. 416 00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,720 We came really close like two months ago because the paperwork wasn't filled out right. 417 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,460 But now it's being filled out right. I'm just saying. 418 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,220 And we appreciate you all making sure of that. 419 00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:40,200 So there's no action for tonight, but I think what we're hearing, anybody of Jack, but I 420 00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:49,080 think what we're hearing is do work with Al, come back next month potentially, right, with 421 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,680 with what we need to do to affect that, 422 00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:56,360 perhaps debate on it and certainly vote on it. 423 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,040 We're not making the decision tonight, 424 00:30:58,060 --> 00:30:59,500 but I know that I would like, 425 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,420 and it sounds like the rest would at least like 426 00:31:02,420 --> 00:31:04,500 to understand the details, what it looked like. 427 00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,760 All right, cool, 428 00:31:11,750 --> 00:31:12,450 all right. 429 00:31:14,620 --> 00:31:16,000 Seeing no further discussion on that, 430 00:31:16,140 --> 00:31:17,360 we'll move on to any announcements. 431 00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:23,990 We already made the, she let it out early, the groundbreaking. 432 00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:25,250 Yep, absolutely. 433 00:31:27,030 --> 00:31:27,510 All right. 434 00:31:28,390 --> 00:31:33,050 In that case, all in favor of adjourning, say aye. 435 00:31:33,450 --> 00:31:33,790 Aye. 436 00:31:37,250 --> 00:31:37,410 Aye. 437 00:31:38,090 --> 00:31:38,150 Aye. 438 00:31:38,150 --> 00:31:38,190 Aye. 439 00:31:38,190 --> 00:31:38,230 Aye. 440 00:31:38,310 --> 00:31:38,650 Aye. 441 00:31:46,250 --> 00:31:46,930 Aye. 442 00:31:46,930 --> 00:31:47,890 All in favor of adjourning. 443 00:31:48,010 --> 00:31:48,650 Say aye. 444 00:31:49,490 --> 00:31:50,010 All opposed. 445 00:31:50,270 --> 00:31:50,510 All right. 446 00:31:50,610 --> 00:31:51,310 The meeting is adjourned.