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All right, everyone, welcome. I'd like to call the meeting to order for December 4th, and I know the time is now 10 a.m. I'd like to call upon I.t. to present O. Canada and the Land

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Ignolagement video. I'll ask everyone to stand for the scene of O. Canada, and then you may be seated for the Land

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Ignolagement.

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The municipality of Lake Shore is located on the traditional territory of the three fires confederacy, comprised of the Ojibwe, the Odawa, and the Padawatami

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people. And it's steeped in a deep and rich indigenous history. Today we acknowledge the people

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of these nations whose traditional territory we are meeting on, as well as our responsibility

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to continue the stewardship of the land with them. We also acknowledge all of the indigenous

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people who have called or continue to call this place home.

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Thank you. What a privilege it is to

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We do sit on both sides of the table today, so certainly when we move into our moment of reflection if we could all take a moment to think about what a privilege it is to work in service both administratively and on the council side a lot of work goes in today's like today behind the scenes where every department is is working feverishly to get to have the budget prepared in a way that presents for the public, that presents for members of council to make tough decisions.

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also at a time when our community is in a difficult spot, so it's brilliant to see that we've done that, we've had the budget before us for quite some time now, so as we reflect, I just want to reflect on the privilege it is to sit on both sides of the table and do this kind of work. So please join me in reflection.

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Thank you.

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Are there any disclosures of pecuniary interest on today's agenda?

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Seeing none, should a member find themselves in conflict during the meeting, just bring it to my attention at that time.

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In the presentation of the 2026 draft budget, please note that the draft budget was presented

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for information only by the Deputy Chief Administrative Officer and Treasurer at the November

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18, 2025 Council meeting.

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I'll call upon the clerk to provide a brief overview of the procedure prior to starting

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our deliberations.

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Thank you, Mayor Bailey.

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For Council is aware of this, but for members of the public who are watching today.

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This will be the first budget prepared under the strong mayor powers that were introduced

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under the Minnesota Act 2001, earlier this year.

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Mayor Bailey has tried to delegate as much of those powers as possible, however, strong

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mayor budgeting is not something that is able to be delegated.

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And so what Mayor Bailey did was provide direction to administration on how to prepare the budget,

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which has been presented today. In terms of what happens during this budget meeting, it will

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be mostly the same as regular budget meetings. Council is able to make resolutions to add or change

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or remove items from the budget. You will not do a adopting of the budget resolution at the end,

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although Council could do something like approve and principle or support the budget, anything like

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that. What will happen if there are no changes to the budget, it will just be adopted.

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If there are changes, the mayor will have a ten-day period after today's meeting to

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veto any resolution of council. Now that has to be done in writing and rationale has to

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added as to why the veto would take place. If that occurs, then Council will have 15 days to

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consider the veto, consider overriding the veto, and that must be done by a two-thirds vote.

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So I just want to provide that background to Council members of the public.

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The only other housekeeping item we just would like if you are bringing motions today,

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If you could include the budget number, which is consistent with both the budget app and the paper copy that comes lasting for you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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I'll also note that we will pause for lunch at around 12.30 today and we will probably call for a break around 3 o'clock this afternoon.

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I'll call upon the CFO to present the 2026 draft budget for deliberation.

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Thank you, Madam Mayor.

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If Council could turn to page 12 of your budget workbook, and that is the CAO administrative

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office, change request section will begin at heart, and will walk through the operating

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budget, then we'll move into the capital budget as we normally do.

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For our residents following along at home, that will be up on the screen for you.

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And as the clerk mentioned, if you could please reference the change request number that we're talking about

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during discussions, I will have that up on the screen for residents

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to know what council is discussing. So with that being said,

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you can start budget deliberations at the office of the CAO and I'll turn it over to council and

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and for questions.

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Councillor, sorry, Councillor Reston.

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I guess for me here, I'm going to start it off

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with a resolution I would like

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that we don't increase the expenses

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for the 2026 for conferences and that.

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I think it's important, Council goes to two,

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oh, item 2026-01.

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Council goes to two conferences a year

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and you've got to prioritize where we're at, we need, I think it's far more important

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to be in the office and working on all the stuff we've got going on here and taking

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Council's direction on what we've asked for, so I don't see the need to increase that.

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I think it's more important to be here and be strategic in the conferences we want to

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So I'm moving out.

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We remove that.

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So move, seconded by.

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Councillor Hoffman, comments, questions?

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Seeing none, we'll vote digitally for

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their comments, questions, resolutions,

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Turn it over to Council if there are any other questions on the CAO admin section.

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If not, we can move on to page 15 of your budget books or for those following along at home.

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That is the Change Request section of Council Services, Budget Center, which we'll have on

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We can move on if Council pleasure is to the—sorry, there are no change requests in committees

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So if there are no questions on that budget section, we can move fast that too, as well,

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if that's Council's pleasure.

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In that case, I would move to page 21 of your budget book.

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That is correct, it would be in there.

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And what is the proposed increase for council wages for this year?

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So council much like administration is set to get a COLA increase of 3.07% following our pay policies for council that equates to a budget center total, not each individual counselor.

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or of $10,527.

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Okay, thank you, Madam Mayor.

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I think we're in pretty tough economic times right now.

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I mean, we've unemployment rate in Windsor and Essex County

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and Windsor is the highest in the country.

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I believe it's almost 11%.

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So I think we should do our best to set an example.

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There's a lot of things in the budget that I think is

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are ongoing and will need to be addressed and need to be approved.

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but I think this is one where we could make a small change anyway with respect to it for that.

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So I'll make a motion that Council wage increase not

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approved for this year.

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Thank you, Simu. Seconded by?

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Councillor Vogler? Comments, questions? Seeing them, we'll vote digitally.

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And that's carried 8-0, back to our CFO.

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Thank you Madam Mayor. On page 21 is the change request for digital transformation and cloud

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services. And we have Mr. Martin here to answer any questions of any of the items in that section

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for Council. Thank you. Thank you Councillor Reston.

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So I look through this and a little bit frustrating

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for me with all this license and fees and upgrades to programming because we have spent

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a ton of money on computer software and updating how the municipality does their business.

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So I was looking the first two good, this the item number 2026-070 automation software.

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This, to me, looked like it's an expansion of services we have right now, and I would like

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to remove that expansion at this time.

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I think it's important we work with it with it and what we have right now.

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We've seen very little growth in the municipality in the last year, and with everything else we

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got going on, I'd like to remove that item.

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Thank you. So moved. Seconded by you related

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to 2026 070 looking for a seconder.

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Councillor Hoffman comments questions. Councillor Kerr.

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Yeah I understand the need to to curb our spending but I think that I find that the direction

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that we're going in the ease of operation that I've seen over the last seven years.

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I just think that it's not time to stop progressing forward and so I'm not going to support the motion.

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Councillor Santorosa.

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Thank you, Madam Mayor, for you. Can I ask a question on how some of this might

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apply and some of the services that we're providing to residents? Because we've seen in a couple of

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instances, for example, the way that by-law captures complaints is one piece, the way that things are

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happening and building is another piece.

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How are we working on some of these workflows in a way that's serving the resident specifically

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to make sure that either staff have visibility over multiple issues.

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I just want to get a better sense as to how this is actually applied when we're thinking about

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resident service and what this means for a level of service.

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Thank you, Mayor Bailey.

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So, the particular.

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In particular, a line item in question is an item that was approved last year by Council to provide the municipality with a platform that helps it create automated workflows and interconnect a lot of disjointed systems. That investment has paid off in spades, noting Council Rustin's concern about increasing costs. The increase here is meant to account for the continued investment council has made.

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in technology platforms and continuing to ensure that we can interconnect those and automate

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as many business processes as possible.

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Noting the desire to remove the increase, what that would practically do is limit the

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use of said platform to a certain task limit as an example.

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So, this budget request is looking forward to once we are live on our new finance and tax

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and utility billing platform, which is anticipated for June of this upcoming year.

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This will give us the ceiling space to continue to do those automations.

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What we could do, and this is an option for Council, you could remove this from the budget

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this year.

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it would not have an immediate impact to our ability to operate the platform,

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nor any of the existing business processes we've automated.

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What I can do is come back to you mid-year with a subsequent request that would further

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constrain, let's say, the amount of additional automations that need to occur in the new

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platform once it's online. So we could probably come up with an efficiency here to reduce the impact.

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So I think for Council's consideration and Councillor Kerr, I appreciate the vote of confidence in the direction that we've gone from a technology perspective.

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I think you guys can reasonably remove this service without significant fear or apprehension about the service level that would be reduced.

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I think we can manage this and I will come back to you likely in a May or June time frame with an additional ask that will be in a little bit more more detail for your consideration.

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Thank you, Councilor McNamara.

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And my one question then is if we did defer that as you are in the implementation phase of, you know, both the ERP and the taxation side, would it not be better to have this ahead right now?

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so you can work on those interconnections, or do you want to get those systems rolled out first before you look at that?

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Good question. There's naturally benefit to knowing what I have.

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Having said that, I have faith in Council that as those needs arise, I can build what this municipality needs,

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knowing that with a strong business case, representing this to Council in six months' time,

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particularly that I can phase the costs at that point as well, I think I can still manage this.

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So, if I was very concerned about this service level adjustment right now, I would let you know,

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but I think with the confidence I have in this group, we can still build forward and accomplish what we need to accomplish

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and revisit this topic in six months' time.

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Councillor Laker.

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What is the spend if, because we're going into an election, what, what

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is the spend level on a lane dot council?

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To a clerk?

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Thank you, Madam Mayor. Yes, depending

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on the timing of this request, it may be in a lane dot situation, so we would have to talk

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about that more before it came forward. Further? To the mover and the second here, could

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We then knowing that there's a possibility that this couldn't go board could we put a six months just defer it for six months

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And then give give them the money at that particular time when he feels that it's ready to go online

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I'll leave it where it's at now

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I don't think it's that would be that substantial at that point

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I don't see an issue with us as a council being able not to approve something of that not nature at that point

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So I'll leave my motion as this

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Thank you.

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Further comments, questions?

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Seeing them, we'll vote digitally.

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That's carried 7-1.

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One opposed, Councillor Kerr.

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Further on this budget center?

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Deputy Mayor.

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Thank you, Madam Mayor.

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Item 074 on page 22.

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Microsoft Office 365 licensing.

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It seems like an awful lot.

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I mean, my experience is just at home, right, with Microsoft and everything else.

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And once you buy the contract or whatever, you have it for a number of years.

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So is this an annual, an annual thing?

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And if we already have it, but is it based on the number of users, is that why the increase

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or this seems a bit off to me, thinking through you, Mayor Bailey, to the Deputy Mayor?

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That is exactly how the service contracts with most software providers are at this point.

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Approximately, don't quote me on this, I'm going to guesstimate, let's say about 10 years ago.

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A lot of software manufacturers shifted from capital expenses where you receive a perpetual license entitlement.

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And then in some cases, you would pay additional ongoing support fees or maintenance fees to maintain certain software standards.

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They've all shifted to a more operating-based model approach where you are essentially buying

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an annual entitlement to use them and their license structure is on a per-seat basis.

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So as you expand or as a municipality or any line of business grows, you have a per-user

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per month cost.

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Now the municipality does an annual contract which helps it minimize any potential increases,

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cases, but as that contract opens annually, you are subject to any increases. Now, Microsoft

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for many years kept their increases at zero, and they have, and that's why in past budgets,

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you haven't seen this line item increase. They have this year passed an increase noted

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in the budget of 5%. That will impact the municipality in the new year as our contract naturally

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reopens and we have to reprecure those services from Microsoft.

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Unfortunately not paying that bill

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would we would lose our entitlement to the entire Microsoft suite of services.

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Yes, they have arguably a legal monopoly on this service.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Councillor Huffman.

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Through you, Mayor Bailey.

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So, a question for you, Mr. Merton.

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Regarding item 2026-111, AI platform, the $20,000 attached cost.

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I'm familiar with AI and what my question to you is, what type of training is this going

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to be funding for, are we going to be running co-pilot, and how many people is this going

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to be training and what divisions?

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Excellent question, Councillor Hoffman.

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AI is both a bit of a buzzword and something that's mildly terrifying.

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The truth in most workplaces at this point, and for most of us in our daily lives, in one way,

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shape or form we are interacting with it, some people more so than others, but what this

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is created is challenges for most organizations because what you have is essentially shadow IT.

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You essentially have employees consuming a service online, whether it's chat GPT or Gemini

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or any of the other services, and they're doing so without necessarily the safeguards

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and organizational policy and restrictions in place. AI has the potential to drastically

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increase employee productivity and help create significant efficiencies within any organization.

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It equally introduces terrifying risks, particularly if it's not governed.

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This change request will be our implementation of an AI policy.

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So what the municipality or at least what administration I would suspect council doesn't want

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is unfettered, uncontrolled, unapproved access to digital platforms.

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As an example, if you do not have a commercial agreement with one of these providers,

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the data that you put in, the conversations you put in,

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become subject to their training models, so they can learn often and they can do things

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with that data.

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If you have a commercial agreement with one of these providers, you can control how and

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when, if at all, they're allowed to use your data.

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So the municipality and administration earlier this year worked on a policy that would apply

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to administration's use of AI and what is appropriate use of AI.

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I'm not a big fan of policy without actual controls in place because I find them difficult

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to enforce and to monitor.

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This line item is essentially that commercial agreement.

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We would be choosing an AI essentially partner.

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We would sign a commercial agreement with them so that we can protect and govern the use

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of AI by administration.

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It would equally allow us to create custom-developed chat assistance that are one for administration but ideally to also on our website for residents in the future where it helps them have an additional line of interaction with the municipality.

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The benefit to the platform that we are currently in a proof of concept with because I wanted to ensure that what we were choosing was one cost effective and also deliver the value it promised

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is actually a site license.

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It would allow us to license every single employee

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of the municipality to benefit from services.

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You mentioned co-pilot, not to throw shade

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at an organization we do benefit from, Microsoft.

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It's significantly cost prohibitive,

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and I could never justify a business case

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to counsel or to residents to enable a co-pilot service

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for an organization of this size.

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That expenditure with Microsoft would be approximately $75,000 a year, and I can't

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and good con just recommend that.

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We found a service that we believe would be very, very well suited to this.

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They are targeting specifically public sector agencies in Canada, and they've got their

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equally partnering actually with Windsor Police as well, and we believe there'll be a really

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strong fit for us, and they do so at a very cost-effective mark.

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So, long answer, it benefits everyone and it will give us a lot of capabilities to use AI effectively and provide safeguards and controls to the municipality and its data.

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Further, through you Mayor Bailey, thank you for that explanation and that that's why the number actually intrigued me that it was so low.

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It was in fact, I'm not trying to upset the card here and spend more.

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but that's a great number, and I'm sure it's going to have to adjust, but thank you for the clarification.

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Thank you. I have a couple of other speakers. Is it on this?

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Actually, yes, 1-11.

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Perfect. Okay. Councillor Cooke.

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I just want to, I guess, share and put out the cautionary word that AI is not, like I have a love-hate relationship with AI.

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I think it's the most amazing thing I've ever hated.

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it. But I worry because I'll give everybody a test. Go to your favorite AI, Gordel, and

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ask it who the first mayor laid sure was, and watch your answer. And so I worry about

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our employees getting that very same information. And when you're talking about ready versus

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not ready, I love the security part. I'm all in. But as far as everybody gets a license

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to start using it, and we start answering residents' questions, I'm very, very, very gun shy

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of that?

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With that, I am in line, Councillor Kerr with your thoughts, because I think we are skipping

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the step, and maybe administratively we are not skipping it, but certainly at this table

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in terms of confidence, we are skipping it, because we have not yet seen the policies on

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cyber security and the policies that are related to AI, and so I am not confident that we have

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the right foundation bill to begin the implementation of moving forward with the connection to a service.

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So, I was going to look for a motion from members of Council to remove this line item.

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And so, Councilor Kerr, seconded by Councilor Rustin, further comments or questions,

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I see them, further comments or questions from members of Council.

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And comments, Mr. Martin?

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Thank you, Mayor Bailey.

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When I noted, and perhaps incorrectly, that this provides all employee entitlement

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or potential for resident interaction. That's not our initial intent.

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In fact, it won't be something we roll out. It's simply a platform capability.

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This is the intent of this pilot program is that we can safeguard and monitor the uses that we do have internally today.

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Those could be somebody using an AI service to help do a document review or something along

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those lines, and without a platform to monitor and safeguard, we may have instances of

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of GII.

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Or personally identifiable information or private information that may inadvertently be sent to a third party service. This would allow us to create safeguards where we specifically scan for and redact or control those data types. And we retain the ability to limit within the municipality and all of our use cases how we interact with the platform. I would also absolutely support not rolling

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this out until Council has had the opportunity to see the AI policy that is currently gone

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through the senior leadership team for where your consideration and input and deferred

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the rollout until we have that. That would be an option as well.

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Thank you so much, Councillor Reston.

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No, just to add to that a bit, I hear what you're saying with kind of monitor and what's

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in there, but that kind of falls back on our employees with all due respect. I don't think

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big brother needs to, the babysitter, regardless of, they need to know what they, what's confidential

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or that or what's not. So to me, that would be more of a personal thing. So I just want to add that

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in on that. Certainly, the policy will help to safeguard that. I think, on the motion,

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we'll vote

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We had four opposed, Councillor McNamara, Hoffman,

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Central Roe set in Vogler.

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Councillor Reston.

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This is just a question for an item 2026-068.

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To talk, that's licensing renewal.

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It says in there, it used to be three years that it was licensed.

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However, they're moving to an annual subscription model.

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And it's just a question is, I'm guessing the provider obviously won't do three years.

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No more.

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And I was just curious, what kind of increase is this looking at compared to what was there before?

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Thank you, Mayor Bailey.

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The original purchase of the entitlement was through a digital modernization grant.

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And so we opted with the grant dollars that we had to pre-commit with them for three years.

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We can redo that three-year pre-commitment.

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I was uncomfortable executing a three-year contract without having taken this to council

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to have it added to the budget.

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With council support of including this in the 2026 budget and understanding that that

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will generally speaking carry forward into subsequent years, that would give me the flexibility

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to review and negotiate a three-year contract with the provider to lock in and reduce any

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annualized increases. So this is the ceiling of what that increase may be. And I expect with

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negotiations that we can reduce that and have a little bit of an efficiency as well for subsequent

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years. So this is just that one time to include it in the budget so that we can continue that service.

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But I will look to contract it further. Note that clarifies that's all it was. I just want some

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clarification, because I know generally the longer the better, so okay, thank you.

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Thank you. Councilor McNamara.

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I just want to go back quickly to the AI discussion. Obviously, since it is obviously a split council,

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my request to the administration would be that when the policy is complete, that we do a policy

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review with council before we look at the rollout and implementation. Thank you for that.

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Thank you, further on this budget center?

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I think they're clear.

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Thank you, back to our CFO.

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Thank you, Madam Mayor.

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Seeing no further questions on that, a particular budget center.

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The next budget center we will review is communication and engagement, and that can be found

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on page 26 of your budget workbooks and is up for our residents online at this time.

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Thank

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you.

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Members of council.

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Off the hook.

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Back to our CFM.

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I thought that might be a quick one.

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It's a budget reduction.

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The next budget center is the public service unit.

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That could be found on page 29 of council's budget book and is available online for our residents

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following along.

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I have a question for comms after all.

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So, I was wondering about, we had a lot of pardon me, discussion about the implementation

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of the community of communities, and we've done amazing work.

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So, this just being mindful is this council's last budget, aligned with the strategic priorities

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that we brought forward.

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This is one of those areas where I think that this council's made significant advancement.

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And the feedback that I get from community is that we are seeing and feeling that overall

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sense of community no matter where you are. So I think I'd like to continue on and we had

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some pretty significant discussions about what it might look like to take that kind of

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brand implementation that we did at our corridor between manning and to come see and begin thinking

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about what additional signage might look like in terms of how we tell our story in each of our

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communities. Did we include dollars within the budget here to be able to do that work? So not a

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study, not just more to implementation to keep doing what we're doing.

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Through you, Madam Mayor.

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There is a capital project item for communications for the Amy Croft Manning Road.

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Certainly, you need to get a better idea of costs for expanding that to other communities.

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I think that we'd have to look at where the signers would go and then developing what that

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a question around being consistent with our current branding, not developing individual brands for

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each community. I think that would kind of be a tough to manage in terms of brand standards,

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logo usage. So how can we create a signage program, penance along streetlights? I think that would

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have to come with more of a significant budget request to develop that brand and then implementation.

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Okay, and in terms of just expanding where we're at,

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so continuing to change the signs that say town,

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the front of the municipality of Lake Shore's building,

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just had a new facelift and internally,

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it looks fantastic, you know, customers are saying

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how great it is to be able to come in

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and have customer service increases,

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but the signage out front doesn't match.

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So we did a renovation but didn't match the signage.

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So I think I'd like to see more of that soft stuff,

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the signage on polls, the way we tell our story, maybe a bio that says, you know,

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Comber, but we have on our website some further development around, you know,

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what it means to have a sense of community in Comber, what it means to have a sense

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of community in Woodsley, and so on and so forth. So I'm going to table the motion

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at this time just to permit dollars within the budget to at least begin that

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soft enhancement and continuation of the great work that you're already doing.

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Not really looking to a full brand analysis or for a full consultation, but the changes that I think so subtly happen that over time residents absolutely notice the town of Lake Shore, the municipality of Lake Shore and some of those things.

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So at this point I'm prepared to ask for $20,000 to be added to this budget center to allow that kind of work to continue and I'm looking for a seconder.

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Thank you, Deputy Mayor.

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any comments, questions? Thank you. I'm just curious what reserve we would draw from because I know

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that we do have a significant amount of funding available in community benefits and also in the

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community improvement plan would CIP funding qualify for something like this because in that case,

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I would certainly support that to our CFO.

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It's an interesting concept. I certainly think that council

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Council could draw from its community benefit reserve to offset some of these smaller operating

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costs.

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That is well within Council's purview if it wants to fund the initiative that way.

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What we would include to the motion would be that it'd be funded by the community benefits

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reserve and that would have a zero impact on the tax rate.

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Councillor Muglia.

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Thank you.

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I guess my question is would it be better to be community benefits or would it be better to

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B-C-I-P and is it appropriate for it to be C-I-P as we look at community improvement plans?

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No, I think the answer is actually yes.

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Based answer before the words?

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No, no, no, I was thinking. Sorry about my facial expressions, but certainly signage throughout the communities is a C-I-P initiative.

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It's just normally C-I-P's are initiated by the business, by the business community, not by council.

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So that being said, though, if Council wants to earmark some of its CIP funding that is set out for a Council approved initiative, there's certainly nothing I believe in legislation that would stop that from happening.

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I just had to think it through.

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So if Council wanted to, they certainly could earmark some CIP dollars for a community-led initiative like this.

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for sure.

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Thank you. Councillor McNamara.

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All deferred to Councillor Santer was a first.

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Councillor Santorissa. Thank you. Of the timing. I love when we're all

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aligned. So I had a really great conversation with

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Nicole Anderson around the economic development piece and actually what's happening with the

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CIP implementation, particularly as I'm sitting on the BIA. So I'll back the bus up a little

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bit. Folks may not be aware. Back when the original CIP was BIA region specific

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there was a guiding CIP document that was prepared that basically spoke to all of the,

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you know, the façade improvement, the materials that could be used, that we wanted,

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you know, historic colors and all of these pieces used within the BIA area.

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And so the municipality had agreed using those guidelines that they would approve projects

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that aligned with that vision that the BIA had identified or that the municipality and the BIA had worked on together.

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We no longer have that, now that Council has approved and given direction to explore

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a municipal-wide CIP that will obviously have to make sure that we're enhancing branding

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in each of our communities within the municipality and so already you and I had this conversation

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I think a little while ago and you know Nicole kind of in tandem I think was seeing the

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same thing and trying to figure out when we go to approve the CIP you know asks in different

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communities, what is it that we're looking for to actually enhance the character in each of them?

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And so my understanding is some of that work is going to be undertaken naturally through

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the CIP implementation and potentially through that work. And so I'm supportive of the addition

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to the budget to provide that space to do that because it's not only going to happen through the

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CIP, I think naturally it happens through capital signage replacement and through, you know,

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00:42:08,970 --> 00:42:12,710
some of the soft stuff in our own building and the communications department, whatever that looks

437
00:42:12,710 --> 00:42:19,350
like, so might ask them and I might have to direct a question to the CFO because I had asked it ahead

438
00:42:20,050 --> 00:42:25,370
around there's two economic there are two economic development funding reserves. There is

439
00:42:25,370 --> 00:42:29,930
an obligatory reserve, Invest Windsor Essex Economic Development, which I do not believe has been

440
00:42:29,930 --> 00:42:35,250
touched in years. And then we have the economic development reserve that we have pulled funding out of

441
00:42:35,250 --> 00:42:40,390
to align with the CIP implementation. I personally do not want to take any money away from

442
00:42:40,390 --> 00:42:44,570
implementing the CIP program because we've given that direction and I think to be honest,

443
00:42:44,710 --> 00:42:50,770
we'll need as much of it as possible. I would, if it was supported, make the recommendation that

444
00:42:50,770 --> 00:42:58,070
it actually come out of the $205,424, we have in the Invest Windsor Essex Economic Development Reserve

445
00:42:58,610 --> 00:43:00,930
and that it come from the capital side.

446
00:43:03,190 --> 00:43:05,350
I'm happy to take that at it. Thank you so much.

447
00:43:05,350 --> 00:43:07,410
Great idea. Thank you.

448
00:43:09,490 --> 00:43:10,430
Ken Sir McNair.

449
00:43:11,190 --> 00:43:14,210
I have nothing that actually was answering my questions.

450
00:43:14,450 --> 00:43:16,350
Wonderful. Deputy Mayor Wille's dead.

451
00:43:17,650 --> 00:43:25,630
Thank you. So this is, I'm hoping this is a start for the more identifiable of the communities.

452
00:43:25,990 --> 00:43:31,230
Because I know some of us on a one-to-one have spoke about having an audio type thing

453
00:43:31,230 --> 00:43:38,990
of, say, for Emeryville or Puce and, you know, Stony Point and Conver, kind of the history

454
00:43:38,990 --> 00:43:42,410
of how they got there, because there's been some excellent articles written on that in

455
00:43:42,410 --> 00:43:50,510
the local paper. So put those in kind of a verbal auditory thing that people can walk

456
00:43:50,510 --> 00:43:54,230
up and scan. One of them, you know, I forget what you call those funny little boxes anyway,

457
00:43:54,230 --> 00:44:00,670
with your phone. Yeah, there you go. Those and then can, you know, hear about the, hear

458
00:44:00,670 --> 00:44:04,550
about the founding of Comber, founding of Emeryville, all that type of thing.

459
00:44:04,770 --> 00:44:07,410
So I think that'd be really important.

460
00:44:07,530 --> 00:44:09,830
So hopefully this is kind of a start into that.

461
00:44:10,050 --> 00:44:13,590
And I'm not sure that it'll come back to Council for any additional funding that we would need.

462
00:44:13,770 --> 00:44:15,390
But I appreciate that.

463
00:44:15,470 --> 00:44:16,390
I think it's a good idea.

464
00:44:19,830 --> 00:44:28,430
There's another capital request in the budget that would be up for discussion later on around citizen satisfaction survey.

465
00:44:28,430 --> 00:44:33,210
So that would have been proposed to be after the 2026 election.

466
00:44:33,450 --> 00:44:42,190
So perhaps there's an opportunity to use to make it more of a community identity development,

467
00:44:43,070 --> 00:44:49,190
engaging residents in the development of vision for the community of communities branding that we've been working on.

468
00:44:49,190 --> 00:44:56,930
So perhaps it's a duplicate, not a duplicate, but a similar project, but expand the questions

469
00:44:56,930 --> 00:44:59,970
around, you know, how do residents identify with where they are?

470
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:19,400
They live. What is important to them? And how can we reflect that within the branding that we roll out? Perfect. An opportunity to potentially overlap as we unfold the budget today. Great. Thank you. So on the motion, we'll vote digitally now. Oh, Councillor Kerr. Where is the funds coming from? The reserved to our clerk. Could you read it back out?

471
00:45:22,240 --> 00:45:25,640
The motion on the table is add. Yes. Thank you.

472
00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,280
He's a quick study. We'll vote digitally now.

473
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:32,120
And

474
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:46,260
that's carried 8-0.

475
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,200
Thanks for coming back to that, members of Council.

476
00:45:48,720 --> 00:45:49,360
To our CFO.

477
00:45:51,230 --> 00:45:52,510
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

478
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:53,170
Yes.

479
00:45:53,350 --> 00:46:03,430
Back to page 29, or the public service unit division of the CAO's office with its change request.

480
00:46:04,810 --> 00:46:05,770
2026-104.

481
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:11,300
Okay.

482
00:46:11,420 --> 00:46:12,020
Members of Council.

483
00:46:18,370 --> 00:46:19,710
Seeing none, back to our CFO.

484
00:46:20,350 --> 00:46:21,190
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

485
00:46:21,190 --> 00:46:28,510
page 32 of your budget workbook or the division setting of workforce development as a number

486
00:46:28,510 --> 00:46:35,330
of change requests here for Council's consideration and we'll bring it up on screen for our

487
00:46:35,330 --> 00:46:36,110
residents as well.

488
00:46:40,740 --> 00:46:41,340
Thank you.

489
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:43,540
Can you outline 2026-005?

490
00:46:47,010 --> 00:46:47,850
Certainly, Madam Mayor.

491
00:46:47,850 --> 00:47:00,070
There, 2026-05 is workforce development has to do a member of HR investigations sometimes

492
00:47:00,070 --> 00:47:05,690
by a third party as we don't have perhaps sometimes the in-house background to conduct

493
00:47:05,690 --> 00:47:06,670
those investigations.

494
00:47:06,970 --> 00:47:13,990
What 2026-05 is outlining is that we average about three of those a year and this is actually

495
00:47:13,990 --> 00:47:19,070
not funded by the tax rate, we are proposing that we fund this from the employee related reserve

496
00:47:19,650 --> 00:47:25,570
because we are seeing an uptick in these type of investigations historically over the last three

497
00:47:25,570 --> 00:47:32,510
years. So we're using our reserve funds to mitigate some of those costs to our taxpayers but the actuals

498
00:47:32,510 --> 00:47:38,350
are dictating that an increase in the budget is warranted. Thank you, Councillor Kerr.

499
00:47:39,990 --> 00:47:44,710
Well, you just offered up a question. I have a comment. First, I find that, my first comment,

500
00:47:44,710 --> 00:47:49,530
I guess, I'll get that out of the way, is when I read that, I was very disturbed. I just thought,

501
00:47:49,630 --> 00:47:55,950
oh my God, really. So I just, I have to get that off my chest. And so on the, when you mentioned

502
00:47:55,950 --> 00:48:01,470
that it's coming, not from the taxpayer, but it's coming from employee-related reserves, which level

503
00:48:01,470 --> 00:48:07,150
of government is putting the money into that? Thank you, Councillor Kerr. That is coming from the taxpayer at

504
00:48:08,350 --> 00:48:15,750
a point in time. However, what I'm alluding to is that at this point in time it has no impact on this year's tax rate

505
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:19,510
but those are funds that have been saved by taxpayer dollars into our reserves.

506
00:48:20,930 --> 00:48:21,910
Councillor Reston,

507
00:48:24,660 --> 00:48:25,440
it's good.

508
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:33,600
I'd like to talk about item 2026-004,

509
00:48:34,460 --> 00:48:40,840
recruitment funding. So in here I see, yeah, I see it's coming from reserves, but these are also

510
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:42,400
going to be permanent down the road.

511
00:48:44,940 --> 00:48:51,040
We are in the process, I think, of where our human resources

512
00:48:52,500 --> 00:48:57,540
department is going to be getting a new head and what not with recruitment that's going on.

513
00:48:57,540 --> 00:49:03,240
And it talks about 80 non-union seasonal hires, lifeguards, and stuff.

514
00:49:03,460 --> 00:49:06,000
To me, a lot of that's done internally by the division leads.

515
00:49:06,820 --> 00:49:13,540
And external dollars for that, to me, doesn't seem, seems astronomical there.

516
00:49:13,740 --> 00:49:22,340
So on this item, I'm proposing that we knock it down to 80,000 that we add, and we return

517
00:49:22,340 --> 00:49:28,140
the rest back to the contingency reserve where it came from because I think once we air a new

518
00:49:28,140 --> 00:49:33,720
division lead in there and that that's for them to reshape the division and move forward and

519
00:49:33,720 --> 00:49:41,880
and put a quarter million dollars into external resources to me is way too much so that's the motion

520
00:49:41,880 --> 00:49:48,460
if I get a seconder is we'll put 80 and return the rest of the reserve. Thank you so move second

521
00:49:48,460 --> 00:49:50,140
by Councillor Vogler, comments, questions?

522
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:51,760
Councillor Santorissa.

523
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:52,960
Thank you.

524
00:49:53,140 --> 00:49:54,060
Just a further question.

525
00:49:54,320 --> 00:49:57,200
And we did a little bit of back and forth on this one I think ahead of budget.

526
00:49:57,660 --> 00:50:03,160
I was surprised to see this amount come forward, particularly because if we were looking at some

527
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:09,240
of the positions like the deferred, we saw two workforce development positions that would

528
00:50:09,240 --> 00:50:16,340
have been approved that could be at council's suggestion I guess approve at $262,000 a year

529
00:50:16,340 --> 00:50:18,040
which would keep those resources internally.

530
00:50:18,620 --> 00:50:23,720
I understand that internal staff may not have the same reach as external support,

531
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,020
so I understand when we have some of those hard-to-fill positions,

532
00:50:26,620 --> 00:50:28,640
it's helpful to go out to community.

533
00:50:28,940 --> 00:50:33,300
I think what concerns me here is some of these annualized hiring

534
00:50:33,300 --> 00:50:37,640
sprees that we have to do, whether for volunteer fire, whether it's lifeguards,

535
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:39,260
some of our seasonal staff and support.

536
00:50:39,600 --> 00:50:42,460
I would like to know that we have that capacity internally.

537
00:50:42,460 --> 00:50:47,740
And so, my question, I guess, in looking at this is, is the bulk of this to support with

538
00:50:47,740 --> 00:50:49,820
those Cs and all, or is it for those seven?

539
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:54,100
Because I understand for the seven management roles, whether it's Team Lead, Division Lead,

540
00:50:54,120 --> 00:50:58,240
Corporate Lead, we have a number of those recruitment going out now, so I can't imagine we'll

541
00:50:58,240 --> 00:51:01,280
actually have a lot of the CL positions going out into next year.

542
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:06,460
Hopefully, everybody's staying, you know, but just wondering where that kind of puts us.

543
00:51:07,620 --> 00:51:12,260
Certainly, I'll speak a bit to the numbers and then I'll actually turn it over to the CAO.

544
00:51:12,460 --> 00:51:17,100
to explain some of our challenges that we're having.

545
00:51:18,240 --> 00:51:25,120
With regards to this particular budget item, this is the cost of recruiting mostly high

546
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:29,080
level senior senior staff that are difficult to recruit.

547
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:33,860
Those contracts with our recruiting firms do come with a percentage of annual salary.

548
00:51:33,860 --> 00:51:43,340
So, to find in place a senior level executive can cost up to 10% of that executive salary.

549
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:47,340
So, they are significant and that's why you see such a large number.

550
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:55,360
Those recruitment costs may or may not go away if your HR division is fully staffed properly.

551
00:51:55,360 --> 00:52:02,160
Certainly, you would improve turnaround time for in-house recruitment's reference checking

552
00:52:02,520 --> 00:52:03,800
with the additional staff.

553
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:10,560
However, if it is still our strategy to go out and vet and find the best people with

554
00:52:10,560 --> 00:52:16,800
nationwide searches to leave the organization, you will still continue to see significant

555
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:17,940
recruiting costs.

556
00:52:17,940 --> 00:52:25,560
The idea behind using the reserve is so that once those positions are filled, this is

557
00:52:25,560 --> 00:52:26,320
a blip in the radar.

558
00:52:26,580 --> 00:52:28,240
You won't see this hopefully continue.

559
00:52:28,420 --> 00:52:33,540
You find an attractive talent for a long period of time, and this cost would go away.

560
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:35,980
That's sort of the idea behind it.

561
00:52:36,100 --> 00:52:43,420
So most of this cost here is with regards to the larger recruitment, the difficult professions

562
00:52:43,420 --> 00:52:51,420
to place. Planning, engineering, managers and executive directors. So that's where most

563
00:52:51,420 --> 00:52:56,840
of that cost is. I do know the write-up speaks to all of the recruitment challenges and all

564
00:52:56,840 --> 00:53:01,580
of the pieces that WD does, but that money is primarily for executive recruitment.

565
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:06,860
And then if the CO wants to add more, he can't. Further?

566
00:53:06,860 --> 00:53:13,260
there. So further, I mean, I can't imagine if Councillor Rustin's motion stands there,

567
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:19,360
we've got $80,000 that would be retained here. So even if we're thinking at four positions

568
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:23,460
at $200,000 a year, you're covered. I can't imagine that all of the positions under this

569
00:53:23,460 --> 00:53:26,540
are going to be within that. So I think if we're thinking about those seven

570
00:53:26,540 --> 00:53:32,140
management rules, I'd like to see this stick somewhere close to the 80. And then again,

571
00:53:32,340 --> 00:53:35,690
come back if it's needed, right? Let's get the department stood up, figure out what's

572
00:53:35,690 --> 00:53:39,590
needed, I recognize that there's a number here that, you know, would be returned back

573
00:53:39,590 --> 00:53:43,810
to that contingency reserve and we wouldn't have to draw on it this year, and the funding

574
00:53:43,810 --> 00:53:47,430
would be there if it was needed, and that would help Council, you know, get a better

575
00:53:47,430 --> 00:53:49,450
sense as to what the needs are going to be ongoing.

576
00:53:50,470 --> 00:53:51,810
Thank you, Council Reston.

577
00:53:53,470 --> 00:54:00,730
Yeah, I just want to add in, like, this isn't a one-time ask here is why I want to lower

578
00:54:00,730 --> 00:54:01,210
the number.

579
00:54:01,350 --> 00:54:03,670
This is a budget item to be year after year.

580
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:08,030
We're paying from the contingency fund this year, but then it's going to be levy money.

581
00:54:08,350 --> 00:54:14,150
So that's why we're still going to add $80,000 next year's budget on the levy.

582
00:54:14,430 --> 00:54:17,510
So we've got to be mindful of that at this table, too.

583
00:54:17,630 --> 00:54:22,690
That's why I cut it substantially, but at the same time increase in it, because it is going

584
00:54:22,690 --> 00:54:23,330
to move forward.

585
00:54:23,390 --> 00:54:26,210
It's not a one-time ask, it's a budget item.

586
00:54:26,350 --> 00:54:31,350
So that's the reason why I'm doing what I'm doing, just to clarify that for anybody

587
00:54:31,350 --> 00:54:31,770
wondering.

588
00:54:31,770 --> 00:54:32,710
Thank you.

589
00:54:32,830 --> 00:54:35,850
Two questions from myself and then I'll turn it over to the CAO.

590
00:54:37,690 --> 00:54:41,750
Do we know what this budget line number was in 2022?

591
00:54:43,610 --> 00:54:48,590
And the second is, do these dollars also become gap dollars?

592
00:54:49,370 --> 00:54:52,350
Are they used in different ways as well as well?

593
00:54:53,490 --> 00:54:59,170
If there's a significant variance and it's not spent, yeah, it would be part of the close

594
00:54:59,170 --> 00:55:03,330
out of the year end, and any funds returned would be a council decision at that time.

595
00:55:03,910 --> 00:55:09,550
Or if the funds do not need to be drawn from the reserve, they are not drawn from the reserve,

596
00:55:09,650 --> 00:55:13,590
and the reserve remains intact. And internally, do these influence gapping

597
00:55:13,590 --> 00:55:19,410
where administration recognizes the need for increased staffing in a certain department?

598
00:55:19,950 --> 00:55:23,190
Would this be a pot that administration could go to for gapping?

599
00:55:23,790 --> 00:55:29,950
normally administration looks at total salaries and it would not look at this line when it reviews

600
00:55:29,950 --> 00:55:35,690
of salary gaping and then pieces of tracks during the year. Okay and do you have the answer on

601
00:55:35,690 --> 00:55:36,310
2022?

602
00:55:42,070 --> 00:55:51,090
30,500. Thank you. To our CAO. Yeah, through you Mayor Billy. Just a general comment is

603
00:55:51,090 --> 00:55:56,230
the you know acting head of HR over the last number of months. I think the question here is the

604
00:55:56,230 --> 00:56:00,290
is the size and the build-out of the Department of the Department's capability. Obviously,

605
00:56:00,330 --> 00:56:04,730
when we were the last year, we had a number of executive-level recruitments, two of which

606
00:56:04,730 --> 00:56:10,770
are ongoing. Currently, and I think it speaks to the need, and I agree with Councillor

607
00:56:10,770 --> 00:56:16,910
Reston to your point. We will have a new head of HR onboarded, likely in the first quarter

608
00:56:16,910 --> 00:56:24,310
of 2026. Interviews are ongoing in that respect, and I think it does make sense that it is prudent

609
00:56:24,310 --> 00:56:28,290
to allow that person to assume the role and then make a determination as to what kind of

610
00:56:28,290 --> 00:56:34,130
resources are required. My preference would be to have the majority of our recruitment done

611
00:56:34,130 --> 00:56:40,210
internally as opposed to turning to outside resources, but that would require a significant

612
00:56:40,210 --> 00:56:45,110
build out of the department in order to do that right now. We have a department of three approved

613
00:56:45,110 --> 00:56:51,830
FTEs and it's, you know, we are limited to the amount of work we can do with the amount of capacity

614
00:56:51,830 --> 00:56:53,950
that's available, so I just wanted to make that comment. Thank you.

615
00:56:54,670 --> 00:56:55,290
Thank you.

616
00:56:55,410 --> 00:56:56,090
Thank you, Councillor Meckermann.

617
00:56:57,310 --> 00:57:01,890
Just a comment and actually a question for the mover for clarity. So obviously, we all

618
00:57:01,890 --> 00:57:07,390
know around this table and the administration, we've had struggles filling roles in a timely

619
00:57:07,390 --> 00:57:12,610
manner and I want to make sure we are giving our new head of HR the resources they need

620
00:57:12,610 --> 00:57:18,290
to fill up the staff and keep the momentum going forward. My question actually to Councillor

621
00:57:18,290 --> 00:57:25,610
the rest and on your motion is, I want to know, are you setting the 80,000 as a target

622
00:57:25,610 --> 00:57:30,850
or if 80,000 additional to the base because there's 30,500 in the base levy? So I want

623
00:57:30,850 --> 00:57:35,170
to see, are we just moving this to 80,000 total or an additional 80,000 of the base?

624
00:57:36,470 --> 00:57:42,210
It was an additional 80,000 as the request was for an additional 228. So I'll be 110,

625
00:57:42,210 --> 00:57:44,710
and 10.05.

626
00:57:46,670 --> 00:57:47,630
Thank you.

627
00:57:47,910 --> 00:57:51,090
And so with that, I think, you know, certainly,

628
00:57:51,230 --> 00:57:53,530
this council understands and we formed the executive committee.

629
00:57:53,610 --> 00:57:55,810
We understood that we were having some challenges,

630
00:57:56,150 --> 00:57:56,990
filling positions.

631
00:57:57,550 --> 00:58:00,030
I think that we've done the things that we needed to do to

632
00:58:00,030 --> 00:58:01,410
set us all at foundation.

633
00:58:01,710 --> 00:58:03,670
There's still 110,000 in there.

634
00:58:04,030 --> 00:58:07,150
In 2022, there was 30,000 in there.

635
00:58:07,310 --> 00:58:10,230
So it's a significant increase already.

636
00:58:10,230 --> 00:58:13,470
and I'm confident that these numbers will meet up just nicely.

637
00:58:14,370 --> 00:58:16,170
So on the motion,

638
00:58:33,170 --> 00:58:36,150
and that's carried 8-0, Deputy Mayor.

639
00:58:37,510 --> 00:58:44,150
Thank you. I've just back to 005 on page 32, same page.

640
00:58:45,750 --> 00:58:54,930
So, or 50,000. I just wanted to ask, what is our anticipated cost for 2025 on this item?

641
00:58:54,930 --> 00:58:54,990
So

642
00:59:00,650 --> 00:59:04,150
we'll look up the budget and the actual spend just a second.

643
00:59:04,350 --> 00:59:04,730
Thank you.

644
00:59:58,230 --> 00:59:59,970
Thank you. Actually, I believe I have it here.

645
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:06,960
The budget is $10,000, but today we spent $32,000 in that particular area.

646
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:18,540
So that's so far this year, but we have no idea what the total will be, I guess. That's correct, to the third. That's not what all the invoicing in. Okay, thank you.

647
01:00:22,140 --> 01:00:32,200
I'm just kind of curious, because I went to the employee related line on the contributions, and it's an additional $35,000. Is that coming from the taxpayer?

648
01:00:32,200 --> 01:00:37,360
fair that in reserves is coming from the shares.

649
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:38,320
Yeah, that's correct.

650
01:00:38,580 --> 01:00:42,280
Yeah, okay, so that is tax penalty that's part of that 50,000 that from the share.

651
01:00:42,460 --> 01:00:49,500
So base budget always transfers about $35,000 into the reserve to complete the reserve funding

652
01:00:49,500 --> 01:00:51,060
that's been allocated, yes.

653
01:00:51,660 --> 01:00:55,660
So annually the budget is around 30, we're looking to increase it to 50.

654
01:00:55,660 --> 01:01:07,640
Right now, the actuals would dictate that it is at 32,000 right now, and we do have some

655
01:01:08,340 --> 01:01:15,000
invoices coming in. So, on average, last few years, we've done a three-year average and it

656
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:18,560
does average about $50,000 in actuals.

657
01:01:20,830 --> 01:01:25,430
So, the request is for 50,000 period in this budget center,

658
01:01:25,430 --> 01:01:33,870
Or you're increasing by 50 increasing by and what would that total be then in this budget Senate 60 so 60. Thank you

659
01:01:34,570 --> 01:01:36,010
Councillor Reston further

660
01:01:37,570 --> 01:01:39,650
Yeah, I just want to again

661
01:01:40,570 --> 01:01:47,990
This is a contingency reserve we're funding this year, but it will become a full budget item levy item going forward

662
01:01:47,990 --> 01:01:51,030
So just just to be mindful of all that that

663
01:01:51,030 --> 01:01:58,850
But kicking the can down the road a bit, I just obviously it's for now, but I just want

664
01:01:58,850 --> 01:02:02,270
it to be aware to everybody if anybody's listening.

665
01:02:04,790 --> 01:02:05,410
Councillor Cooke.

666
01:02:06,090 --> 01:02:06,950
Hi, it's me again.

667
01:02:09,070 --> 01:02:14,810
Why the contingency fund when we have more excess money in the employee related fund at

668
01:02:14,810 --> 01:02:17,510
the end of this than we will have in the contingency fund?

669
01:02:17,750 --> 01:02:20,730
Why would we not just take it from the fund that's doing the work?

670
01:02:24,570 --> 01:02:38,150
Certainly, when we look at what has occurred in WD in the past year and a half, I like to think that this is an abnormal situation.

671
01:02:38,710 --> 01:02:45,610
And I like to think that the contingency reserve is reserved for dealing with abnormal situations.

672
01:02:45,610 --> 01:02:50,330
We could certainly change the funding source of council wishes and desires, but I like

673
01:02:50,330 --> 01:02:56,670
to believe that this is a moment in time that needs stabilization, so I chose the

674
01:02:56,670 --> 01:02:58,950
contingency reserve for that reason.

675
01:02:59,650 --> 01:02:59,970
Further?

676
01:03:00,590 --> 01:03:04,610
I would like to make a motion that we switch it to the employee reserve and why is because

677
01:03:04,610 --> 01:03:08,810
we use the contingency fund for things and surprises.

678
01:03:09,530 --> 01:03:15,370
And we have used it obviously this year to get us to the 4%, and I'm looking to get a little

679
01:03:15,370 --> 01:03:20,030
bit lower than the 4%, so we may, I may want to go back and maybe the rest of the council

680
01:03:20,030 --> 01:03:24,530
may want to go back to the contingency fund as I have every year since I've been on council.

681
01:03:25,090 --> 01:03:27,850
So that would be my motion to change the funding source.

682
01:03:28,630 --> 01:03:33,190
Thank you, Councillor Kerr. So, changing the funding source, leaving the total amount at 60.

683
01:03:33,970 --> 01:03:38,230
Okay, looking for a seconder, Deputy Mayor? Any comments or questions?

684
01:03:41,890 --> 01:03:43,890
And what about digitally? Oh, sorry, Councillor Reston.

685
01:03:44,430 --> 01:03:55,410
So, again, as with the previous with the recruitment, I'm assuming if some of them dollars are not needed, they're not going to be pulled from there just for verification.

686
01:03:56,030 --> 01:03:57,610
That is correct, Councillor Rustin.

687
01:03:59,740 --> 01:04:00,820
Okay, we'll vote digitally now.

688
01:04:10,820 --> 01:04:12,720
Anything else for this budget center?

689
01:04:17,070 --> 01:04:19,270
That's carried 80 back to our CFO.

690
01:04:20,350 --> 01:04:21,410
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

691
01:04:21,790 --> 01:04:25,590
That concludes the office of the CAO.

692
01:04:25,590 --> 01:04:32,050
So we can move into the finance admin section on page 36.

693
01:04:32,290 --> 01:04:38,210
There are no change requests there, but I do want to give counsel the opportunity to

694
01:04:38,210 --> 01:04:40,290
ask in questions on the budget center.

695
01:04:40,930 --> 01:04:41,810
Comments, questions?

696
01:04:42,790 --> 01:04:45,330
Seeing none, back to our CFFL, Councillor Kerr.

697
01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,280
Yeah, I'll wait until we get to a different section.

698
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:53,300
It's at the end when we get into the budget line.

699
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:54,960
Okay.

700
01:04:55,100 --> 01:04:55,900
Thank you, Councillor Kerr.

701
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:02,160
then we'll move to page 39, the corporate accounts change request.

702
01:05:04,190 --> 01:05:06,030
And I'll note for

703
01:05:06,030 --> 01:05:11,050
counsel in the corporate accounts change request, you'll see the balancing of the municipal

704
01:05:11,050 --> 01:05:16,930
levy. That number will change as we go through and make adjustments to the budget.

705
01:05:21,040 --> 01:05:26,000
Thank you. Can you speak to 2026-120, the decrease in OCIF, please?

706
01:05:26,900 --> 01:05:28,800
Thank you Madam Mayor.

707
01:05:29,620 --> 01:05:36,440
We did get confirmation that we'll be seeing a reduction in OCIF funding that does have

708
01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:43,260
a zero tax impact but it certainly does impact our ability to fund capital projects.

709
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:49,680
So we've got confirmation that we'll be seeing a reduction in 2026 that money flows in through

710
01:05:49,680 --> 01:05:54,260
the corporate accounts as a revenue and then it's transferred out to our capital accounts.

711
01:05:54,260 --> 01:05:59,880
that is a formula that is formulated by the provincial government.

712
01:06:01,160 --> 01:06:03,960
Thank you. Has the province indicated the why?

713
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,680
You said two hands up the same question.

714
01:06:11,380 --> 01:06:15,600
I am not aware of why the province has made an adjustment to that.

715
01:06:16,080 --> 01:06:23,120
The formula is calculated based on net assets that we own and population size, but

716
01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:26,100
but I'm not sure why there's been a reduction in funding from the province.

717
01:06:26,380 --> 01:06:26,820
Thank you.

718
01:06:27,040 --> 01:06:31,540
As we see across the province and provincial funding and as well as grant funding capital

719
01:06:31,540 --> 01:06:35,300
projects are harder and harder than ever to fund, unfortunately.

720
01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:43,000
So if my math is, that's like 30% reduction, 25% is that right, close to that?

721
01:06:50,030 --> 01:06:50,710
Just a second.

722
01:06:51,290 --> 01:06:52,710
I believe your math is correct though.

723
01:06:53,810 --> 01:06:59,430
No, it's just, it's kind of mind boggling that with what we got going on in there.

724
01:06:59,430 --> 01:07:09,050
change in some decimal points on the formula to not get that much, they're using their contingency

725
01:07:09,050 --> 01:07:09,370
fund.

726
01:07:15,650 --> 01:07:17,970
It's fine. We know it's considerably.

727
01:07:19,990 --> 01:07:25,750
I just, I just be in a, I guess, state in

728
01:07:25,750 --> 01:07:27,770
the facts of it.

729
01:07:30,330 --> 01:07:32,650
28%. Thank you. Councillor Kerr.

730
01:07:33,770 --> 01:07:42,010
Thank you. On both items, number 106, the OMPF fund and the OCIF, I would like to make

731
01:07:42,010 --> 01:07:47,290
the motion that we send a letter to the province, letting through the mayor's chair, obviously,

732
01:07:47,650 --> 01:07:52,090
letting them know the disappointment that Lake Shore is because that is a huge amount of money

733
01:07:52,090 --> 01:07:58,390
and where it would best serve us as in our bridges and culverts and if that level of government

734
01:07:58,390 --> 01:08:02,310
continues to tell us we have to build more houses but more houses, that's going to put more cars

735
01:08:02,310 --> 01:08:07,730
on our bridges and our culverts, so you can't cut back the money we need for the bridges and

736
01:08:07,730 --> 01:08:14,870
culverts. So I think that a very strong word of letter to both of those fund ministers.

737
01:08:15,450 --> 01:08:19,830
Okay, so move seconded by Deputy Mayor Walston, comments, questions? Deputy Mayor?

738
01:08:21,130 --> 01:08:24,910
Yeah, and can that we put in big bold capital letters highlighted why?

739
01:08:25,850 --> 01:08:29,450
Like it's one thing we can come, we can say we're very disappointed a bit.

740
01:08:29,450 --> 01:08:35,330
You give us the particulars and why and let's send a copy of that to our two MPPs as well

741
01:08:36,030 --> 01:08:37,230
They need they need

742
01:08:38,130 --> 01:08:41,190
To know them because that's through there for us. Thank you

743
01:08:41,870 --> 01:08:45,050
You will vote digitally on the issuing a letter

744
01:09:04,230 --> 01:09:05,330
That's carried 80

745
01:09:06,450 --> 01:09:08,630
Did you have something further deputy mayor?

746
01:09:08,630 --> 01:09:09,430
No, it was on that.

747
01:09:09,990 --> 01:09:12,130
Thank you.

748
01:09:12,570 --> 01:09:13,710
Back to our CFO.

749
01:09:14,150 --> 01:09:14,790
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

750
01:09:16,050 --> 01:09:20,770
Let us move to page 42 of your budget workbook and the accounting and revenue section.

751
01:09:22,510 --> 01:09:25,670
The change request will be up on screen momentarily.

752
01:09:32,130 --> 01:09:32,310
Okay.

753
01:09:34,370 --> 01:09:38,490
This is probably this is just part of the shell game question, but federal tax.

754
01:09:38,670 --> 01:09:42,370
The federal gas tax is there, but it's not on the back of the master.

755
01:09:43,410 --> 01:09:54,430
one that you sent me, and it's been there historically, and I was just wondering is there a reason why that $2 million is just going under just general revenue, and not under the gas tax?

756
01:09:54,730 --> 01:09:59,430
Because if I'm not mistaken, doesn't the gas tax come with its own set of rules for spending?

757
01:10:01,510 --> 01:10:09,130
It certainly does. There is a bit of probably some confusion in the reserve sheet. The gas

758
01:10:09,130 --> 01:10:11,690
tax has actually been renamed the, what's it called?

759
01:10:14,440 --> 01:10:18,220
The reserve has been renamed to

760
01:10:18,220 --> 01:10:19,820
align with the renaming of the fund name.

761
01:10:20,680 --> 01:10:22,420
Can a community benefit fund?

762
01:10:22,520 --> 01:10:24,360
That's the new name.

763
01:10:24,700 --> 01:10:25,300
The next question.

764
01:10:26,120 --> 01:10:30,800
Just pause for a moment, CFO. Can you name that fund, please, into your microphone, just

765
01:10:30,800 --> 01:10:33,540
or if I'm just watching at home? Canadian community, what?

766
01:10:33,980 --> 01:10:37,260
Thank you, thank you. Canadian community build fund.

767
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:38,540
Thank you, Councillor Kerr.

768
01:10:39,120 --> 01:10:39,500
No, I'm good.

769
01:10:43,730 --> 01:10:45,890
Other comments, questions on this budget center?

770
01:10:47,490 --> 01:10:49,030
Seeing none, back to our CFO.

771
01:10:50,370 --> 01:10:54,410
Thank you, Madam Mayor. The next budget division section is financial

772
01:10:54,410 --> 01:11:00,430
of planning and analysis. There are no change requests in that particular budget center,

773
01:11:00,750 --> 01:11:07,170
but open for any questions from council. I am sorry, Deputy Mayor, let's page 45.

774
01:11:14,990 --> 01:11:19,890
Thank you, moving to page 49, Community Health and Safety Admin, back to our CFL.

775
01:11:22,990 --> 01:11:30,910
Thank you, Madam Mayor. Before council, on page 48, 49, is the Community Health and Safety

776
01:11:30,910 --> 01:11:34,890
the admin. There are no change requests to that budget center.

777
01:11:44,300 --> 01:11:46,520
All right. Seeing no questions,

778
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:52,740
I'll move to page 51, the ATRC facilities. There are a number of change requests to that

779
01:11:52,740 --> 01:11:53,540
budget center.

780
01:11:58,170 --> 01:12:05,350
To our CFO, so I noticed in the preparation of the budget that there is some

781
01:12:05,350 --> 01:12:11,450
reaction to an increased and enhanced level of service that has happened in this area.

782
01:12:11,990 --> 01:12:16,750
And I know that we've spoke before that the level of service increase that was observed

783
01:12:16,750 --> 01:12:22,190
was not one that was tabled or discussed by Council, and Council sets the tone on level

784
01:12:22,190 --> 01:12:22,650
of service.

785
01:12:22,930 --> 01:12:29,910
So there was some disappointment in the increased costs and the increased service level that

786
01:12:29,910 --> 01:12:37,510
our residents have experienced. And now to claw those back would look like a service reduction.

787
01:12:38,090 --> 01:12:42,690
So I just want to put it on notice again and make sure that I speak for counsel in that regard.

788
01:12:43,190 --> 01:12:49,650
Can you highlight where through this budget center we are seeing that experience of

789
01:12:50,210 --> 01:12:55,530
it being the result of an increased service level? For example, keeping the ice in.

790
01:12:57,930 --> 01:13:03,370
Certainly, as you noted, Madame Mayor, the inclusion of summertime ice is an enhancement

791
01:13:03,370 --> 01:13:04,170
of service level.

792
01:13:04,470 --> 01:13:08,910
There is a significant revenue increase, however, there is also a significant, there's

793
01:13:08,910 --> 01:13:14,790
a staffing increase as when it comes to wages, and then there's also a utility cost increase.

794
01:13:16,110 --> 01:13:19,670
There is a significant utility cost increase in this budget.

795
01:13:19,990 --> 01:13:21,990
That is not all because of summer ice.

796
01:13:21,990 --> 01:13:28,050
that is also because of glitches with our accounting system and how it tracks inactive accounts,

797
01:13:28,230 --> 01:13:35,750
which didn't allow us to properly forecast utilities in the last year's budget. But there is a cost

798
01:13:35,750 --> 01:13:45,210
to keep the ice plant open in the summer months. I believe if we were to look at the dollars and

799
01:13:45,210 --> 01:13:51,870
sense of it. I believe I'll actually defer this over to Jessica as she's done a lot of the

800
01:13:51,870 --> 01:14:02,370
analysis here. We do have a significant revenue increase at the ATRC noted of $294,000, but that being

801
01:14:02,370 --> 01:14:08,530
said, we also have a cost increase on wages.

802
01:14:11,390 --> 01:14:13,770
Actually, let's just speak to Jessica. I'll turn this

803
01:14:13,770 --> 01:14:16,370
I just want to work to Jessica, she's done a lot of the analysis on this.

804
01:14:16,470 --> 01:14:16,750
Thank you.

805
01:14:19,370 --> 01:14:26,850
Through you, Madam Mayor, during our budget presentation, the overall service level

806
01:14:27,410 --> 01:14:38,750
impact was approximately $494,000 relating to increases in utilities revenue growth and wage adjustment.

807
01:14:38,970 --> 01:14:40,970
So about 1.16% of the levy.

808
01:14:48,180 --> 01:14:48,460
Thank you.

809
01:14:48,460 --> 01:14:54,900
and recognizing, as well, that we—I guess I will ask it as a question, instead—what

810
01:14:54,900 --> 01:14:59,960
is the cost recovery model that we currently have in place for?

811
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,360
So the ATRC in terms of the revenue, because I do know that the revenue is increased as well, but is it increasing alongside of the policy for the recovery, which I think is 50%, but I'd rather ask it as a question so that you could tell me. Actually, it's less than that. And what we're looking to do is to build towards a 40% model of cost recovery. Obviously, the ATRC is our largest facility. It provides great service to our residents, but it is not

812
01:15:29,360 --> 01:15:31,400
not, you know, a break even piece.

813
01:15:31,660 --> 01:15:34,900
I know most people think you pay $200 an hour for ICE.

814
01:15:35,880 --> 01:15:38,440
If you were to look at the great details of the budget,

815
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:41,820
the revenue and the utilities costs are almost the same.

816
01:15:42,060 --> 01:15:47,040
So just even running the building cost almost $200 an hour.

817
01:15:47,120 --> 01:15:48,660
So that doesn't factor in the staffing,

818
01:15:49,440 --> 01:15:51,660
the cleaning of the dressing rooms, all of those things,

819
01:15:51,780 --> 01:15:53,780
and the great programming that we offer.

820
01:15:53,780 --> 01:16:03,560
So significant dollars from taxpayer money is done is attributed to that asset for our community.

821
01:16:06,380 --> 01:16:12,780
Thank you. So residents certainly do ask that question. So they feel that it should be 100 percent.

822
01:16:12,940 --> 01:16:17,600
I paid to go to hockey and there for I'm paying it. What we know is that that's not the case.

823
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:22,020
Our goal then is set at 40 percent. Where are we operating currently?

824
01:16:25,680 --> 01:16:32,240
It was in the, I know it was in the 30% range, but Jessica is going to confirm that for me just a second.

825
01:16:32,560 --> 01:16:36,460
Thank you, and I'll turn it over to Councillor Kerr, then Councillor Rustin, then Councillor Vogler.

826
01:16:38,660 --> 01:16:44,320
Hello, me again. Could you spend a little time talking about number 016?

827
01:16:44,760 --> 01:16:52,040
You did touch on it, but that's $500,000 in the way I see it if I understand it correctly.

828
01:16:52,040 --> 01:16:57,740
We lost $500,000 on one line of electricity and there's eight more throughout here, so it's

829
01:16:57,740 --> 01:17:00,580
like a million dollars or 890 I think was the total.

830
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:03,720
So could you please speak to that to make me understand?

831
01:17:05,900 --> 01:17:07,940
Certainly, it's not a million dollars.

832
01:17:08,180 --> 01:17:16,020
The total cost that is not been factored into our budget, we've done a very detailed analysis

833
01:17:16,020 --> 01:17:17,080
of our actuals.

834
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:22,960
The total cost that's not in the budget does total the $500 in $5,000.

835
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:28,280
That includes electricity, natural gas, and water to that building.

836
01:17:30,200 --> 01:17:31,460
That's just one building?

837
01:17:32,060 --> 01:17:33,480
That's just the ATRC.

838
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:34,860
Oh, for heaven's sake, so.

839
01:17:34,960 --> 01:17:37,220
Yes, for heaven's sake, indeed.

840
01:17:40,120 --> 01:17:46,200
And I know this council has supported the ERP change over and I couldn't be happier about it

841
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:57,100
because what administration has to do is in reality if an account number or a GL account number

842
01:17:57,100 --> 01:18:01,540
is marked as an active, you would think you can't post that GL account number, right?

843
01:18:02,820 --> 01:18:10,660
Not only can you post to it, we were posting actuals to it. Therefore, all of our software is built

844
01:18:10,660 --> 01:18:19,120
to track is like manually built to actually track those costs.

845
01:18:20,020 --> 01:18:27,400
If the manual build between the budget software and the actual software doesn't occur properly,

846
01:18:27,420 --> 01:18:32,960
which is but is occurred here, you have costs that are being almost not on your books

847
01:18:32,960 --> 01:18:36,520
until you do a complete verification of all the GL details.

848
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:38,500
That is what is occurred here.

849
01:18:38,500 --> 01:18:47,720
There were old GL accounts, the ATRC moved in a reorg, it's fun to count, and those accounts

850
01:18:47,720 --> 01:18:48,300
fell off.

851
01:18:48,480 --> 01:18:53,000
So when we started looking at the numbers, the things we were building the budget on,

852
01:18:53,420 --> 01:18:58,800
the actual accounting numbers and the actuals that we do review and determination to determine

853
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:02,060
what's actually being spent, it's like they weren't there.

854
01:19:02,540 --> 01:19:06,080
So when we found how much that was, it was a significant amount of money.

855
01:19:06,080 --> 01:19:16,220
You add the fact that now instead of having the ice penalty close down in the summer, it's open, and you have to account for those amounts.

856
01:19:16,920 --> 01:19:22,820
That ice plant on average bill, what can the utilities be on that $50,000, $60,000 a month?

857
01:19:24,420 --> 01:19:32,120
You add that for three months, it doesn't take long data to a significant dollar amount that isn't in our base budget for utilities.

858
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:38,880
So what we administration has done is correct the accounting issue and also right size the budget.

859
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:45,120
Thank you further. This is the drop dead question. Would if council votes know

860
01:19:45,820 --> 01:19:51,920
to that $500,000 infusion because I'm still like where did it go? Where did it come from?

861
01:19:52,080 --> 01:19:57,140
Where did it go and why do I have to pay for it and this year's taxes? I can taxpayer myself.

862
01:19:57,140 --> 01:20:00,020
I'll sing in caught night Joe so we can just pause.

863
01:20:04,580 --> 01:20:07,800
Where did it come from? Where did it go? Where did it come from?

864
01:20:08,380 --> 01:20:08,780
CFO.

865
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:12,340
This will be our humor for the day.

866
01:20:13,780 --> 01:20:16,460
So I love working for this council. You guys are a lot of fun.

867
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:22,940
If council doesn't approve the budget increase, what will happen is we won't fund it.

868
01:20:22,940 --> 01:20:32,180
And we will run actuals that are greater than and you will have a budget deficit at the end of the year that hasn't been properly right size.

869
01:20:32,720 --> 01:20:39,300
So the risk is you don't put the right amount of dollars in the budget, you're going to have to spend them anyway.

870
01:20:39,520 --> 01:20:42,600
So either way, they're going to cost the taxpayer.

871
01:20:43,080 --> 01:20:45,300
So at some point you have to right size the budget.

872
01:20:45,300 --> 01:20:53,160
That's what you'll see a lot of administration doing in the ATRC, the fire department, all

873
01:20:53,160 --> 01:20:54,020
of those areas.

874
01:20:54,420 --> 01:20:58,900
We have done a detailed and thorough analysis of what is actually happening over the

875
01:20:58,900 --> 01:21:02,500
past few years and done a lot of print work on that.

876
01:21:03,220 --> 01:21:07,820
If council doesn't approve this, it doesn't mean this municipality is not going to spend

877
01:21:07,820 --> 01:21:10,460
a significant amount of money on utilities at the ATRC.

878
01:21:10,780 --> 01:21:11,720
We have to pay the bills.

879
01:21:11,720 --> 01:21:15,980
Or reduce the level of service and take out the heavy costs.

880
01:21:18,260 --> 01:21:19,940
Well, some are nice.

881
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:21,300
Councilor resident.

882
01:21:23,560 --> 01:21:26,420
Yeah, I just want to make a quick comment here first.

883
01:21:26,520 --> 01:21:28,660
And then I got a question on one of the items here.

884
01:21:29,400 --> 01:21:32,620
With that being said, with the right size and in all these departments.

885
01:21:33,140 --> 01:21:36,180
And I think I speak for everybody up here.

886
01:21:37,420 --> 01:21:42,880
this is a one-time thing and that's what I expect it to be. I don't expect, well, I might

887
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:48,940
not be here next time around, but I don't expect the next council to have to do this again.

888
01:21:49,500 --> 01:21:55,900
And it caught a lot of us off guard. I know with just the general spending of the increase, so I

889
01:21:55,900 --> 01:22:02,560
appreciate the right size in and let's hope going forward. I think we all expect it to be status

890
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:08,400
quote at that point because it was disappointed and I'm going to say that and I think the

891
01:22:08,400 --> 01:22:13,460
mayor has expressed that for all of us here with with these costs that we started in a

892
01:22:13,460 --> 01:22:19,760
basically a 2% whole just offset operating that that was a current due to due to lack of accountant.

893
01:22:21,500 --> 01:22:28,060
Councillor Vogling. Oh sorry Councillor Viston. No I was just going to add that certainly

894
01:22:28,060 --> 01:22:53,900
The administration actually shares Council's frustration on this as well, but I'd like to thank Council for its endorsement of in past budgets of the FAs, the financial analysis, the support to actually be able to do this work without Council support in those areas, this analysis doesn't happen in this error continues for a number of years.

895
01:22:53,900 --> 01:23:02,960
So as much as yes, this does come at a cost to right size all of this, the fact that we have

896
01:23:02,960 --> 01:23:08,880
the tools today and we're invested in the tools in the future to do that and the fact that we now

897
01:23:08,880 --> 01:23:15,080
have a team that can help support those operating accounts or operating divisions to present to you

898
01:23:15,080 --> 01:23:20,760
those but business cases before these decisions are made is a step in the right direction and I don't

899
01:23:20,760 --> 01:23:37,660
I don't want that to be lost, and I don't want that to not be said, because without this council's support of financial management this type of work doesn't happen and that error continues to be to be made so I just wanted that to be said. Thank you very much for that.

900
01:23:38,620 --> 01:23:41,800
It was on a different item, as I said, if that's okay.

901
01:23:42,260 --> 01:23:51,760
An item 2026-0178, increased to the ATRC budget due to the agent infrastructure there.

902
01:23:52,540 --> 01:23:58,640
I just wondered, we've got an ask here for 121 to go year after year, but

903
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:03,880
there's also a capital ask with the same statement written beside it of 40,000.

904
01:24:04,680 --> 01:24:11,060
I'm just wondering if that is there specific item that that's dedicated to because it just

905
01:24:11,060 --> 01:24:15,560
seemed odd to me that in the capital it wasn't attached to nothing.

906
01:24:15,760 --> 01:24:20,340
It was just literally written like this due to the ATRCV and 12 years old and another

907
01:24:20,340 --> 01:24:22,800
ask there after there's a 120 ask here.

908
01:24:25,980 --> 01:24:31,620
It's item 26-6791 in the budget, yeah, right there.

909
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:32,240
Mr. Simmons.

910
01:24:32,980 --> 01:24:34,000
Through you, Madam Mayor.

911
01:24:34,000 --> 01:24:46,540
So the, I believe was it 40,000, that's dedicated to unforeseen breakdowns of substantial amounts.

912
01:24:46,780 --> 01:24:52,380
The operating costs are related to regular maintenance costs that were witnessing year

913
01:24:52,380 --> 01:24:52,900
over year.

914
01:24:54,420 --> 01:25:00,880
Oftentimes when we go from heating to cooling to heating, we'll have some major breakdowns.

915
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:30,640
Having that $40,000 allocated to be able to make those capital repairs when those malfunctions happen versus an operation, it's the kind of go part and parcel to a degree where we have to make the determination whether it's an operational repair in a system failure or a capital repair and these are a kind of the smaller capital replacement that $40,000 is there for that purpose.

916
01:25:31,480 --> 01:25:39,940
We also have like building automation systems that will fail, so again, is it an operational

917
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:46,140
repair or is it a capital replacement of something that has failed much larger scale?

918
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:49,200
So I feel it's important to have it there.

919
01:25:49,360 --> 01:25:54,940
I think you'll see that in the non-ETRC facilities account as well.

920
01:25:54,940 --> 01:26:03,680
It really helps in an emergency situation or an unforeseen situation to react without

921
01:26:03,680 --> 01:26:12,380
having to seek approvals of a larger nature of having to go to council to see money for

922
01:26:12,380 --> 01:26:12,940
those repairs.

923
01:26:13,200 --> 01:26:16,560
So they're tied together but they're also different.

924
01:26:16,560 --> 01:26:24,160
If we use the $40,000 in the capital, might we see a reduction in operating potentially,

925
01:26:24,860 --> 01:26:30,220
but with what we're seeing year over year, the pool system is substantial.

926
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:33,920
We have a Dectron that is costly to repair.

927
01:26:34,100 --> 01:26:40,980
That monitors or facilitates the air quality within the pool facility itself.

928
01:26:40,980 --> 01:26:50,700
We have a filtration system that requires regular maintenance that is obsolete as far as the manufacturer.

929
01:26:50,980 --> 01:26:57,060
So finding parts for it is difficult, oftentimes we have to have custom parts fabricated which is costly.

930
01:26:57,900 --> 01:27:06,860
So that's, it's not all related to the ice plant, it's the pool itself is intense to operate.

931
01:27:06,860 --> 01:27:09,580
So, yeah, that's my answer.

932
01:27:10,280 --> 01:27:11,100
Thank you, further.

933
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:12,080
Yeah, just further.

934
01:27:12,200 --> 01:27:16,100
No, I appreciate that because I just, when I was going through both, and they kind

935
01:27:16,100 --> 01:27:20,000
of mimicked each other without an explanation that that is here now.

936
01:27:20,640 --> 01:27:28,820
And just a comment I got related back to the utilities, I'm wondering for facilities, if

937
01:27:28,820 --> 01:27:34,280
there's any way to do some analysis to see, to put air condition in there, if that would

938
01:27:34,280 --> 01:27:40,320
make a offset if that more efficient than using the ice to cool all that in the summer because

939
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:46,060
there is no air condition in them. Ice rings, I know that and I know I've talked about it

940
01:27:46,060 --> 01:27:51,660
to different people off to the side. I just wonder if that's something we could possibly look at,

941
01:27:51,820 --> 01:27:59,580
do some analysis, say AC unit costs 20,000 to operate in the summer month, but the ice is only

942
01:27:59,580 --> 01:28:03,760
cost in 20 now. We got it in that savings and it will pay and enhance the service.

943
01:28:03,860 --> 01:28:08,440
So it's just something, just a comment I'd like to make, because it was just terrible

944
01:28:08,440 --> 01:28:11,060
designed to begin with, but we can't change that. So thank you.

945
01:28:11,420 --> 01:28:15,620
The track users will love you, though, if there is some analysis for sure.

946
01:28:16,420 --> 01:28:20,100
Councillor Santorosa on this topic. Thank you. I was just curious. I have the exact same

947
01:28:20,100 --> 01:28:23,880
questions as Councillor Reston, so most of them have been answered there, but I'm just wondering

948
01:28:24,400 --> 01:28:29,400
where we're sitting now with this change request at 121,000. What's our annual maintenance

949
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:32,780
and repair costs in operating currently for the ATRC.

950
01:28:54,580 --> 01:28:58,540
That would bring the total to $231,000 for that building.

951
01:29:00,520 --> 01:29:00,980
Good, further.

952
01:29:02,400 --> 01:29:05,440
We, again, back and forth in prep for a budget.

953
01:29:06,240 --> 01:29:09,900
You said that we're working on a couple of asset management plans right now.

954
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:11,580
The ATRC is not really one of them.

955
01:29:12,000 --> 01:29:15,800
Do we have a timeline for when that may come to councils that we get a better understanding

956
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:19,000
of what these forecasts may look like going forward?

957
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:23,100
because my frustration is we know that this is coming, right?

958
01:29:23,240 --> 01:29:26,500
The facilities hit 12 years, hearing things like we have equipment

959
01:29:26,500 --> 01:29:27,720
that's functionally obsolete.

960
01:29:28,000 --> 01:29:32,640
These pieces around replacement or custom parts may get us only so far

961
01:29:32,640 --> 01:29:34,880
before those things need full-blown replacement,

962
01:29:35,140 --> 01:29:37,520
and we start seeing things in capital.

963
01:29:37,780 --> 01:29:41,380
So I'm curious as to whether this council or future council

964
01:29:41,380 --> 01:29:42,680
may have a better understanding

965
01:29:42,680 --> 01:29:46,240
of what the overall asset management plan will be for the ATRC.

966
01:29:50,830 --> 01:29:59,970
One of the things, Councillor Santorosa, that is included in the capital budget as a facility's needs assessment, that would look not just the ATRs.

967
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:29,760
Let's see, but our major operating facilities. It is an area of weakness in our asset management plan, like data integrity weakness. To answer your question on when the asset management plan for 2025 is going to be brought before council, we're targeting late February to March at this point. We actually have our final meeting with consultants on it next Wednesday, so we're hoping to get that before council. But

968
01:30:29,760 --> 01:30:38,170
But having the asset management plan be compliant for legislation, and then having it be a working

969
01:30:38,850 --> 01:30:44,970
document that filters into our five-year capital forecast and funding all of that, a facility's

970
01:30:44,970 --> 01:30:52,150
needs assessment is certainly an area that if we were to get that data, we would incorporate

971
01:30:52,150 --> 01:30:56,150
that into our asset management and long-term forecasting.

972
01:30:56,150 --> 01:31:03,250
So working towards those goals, but certainly not 100% there yet.

973
01:31:06,050 --> 01:31:09,250
So I think what I'm hearing though is, and we'll get to it when we get to Capitol,

974
01:31:09,470 --> 01:31:12,710
but that facility's assessment will feed the AMP overall.

975
01:31:12,950 --> 01:31:18,250
So there will be those elements like at this granular level that we may see in those facility assessments,

976
01:31:18,250 --> 01:31:23,830
I think particularly related to the ATRC that will then show up in an AMP update after the fact.

977
01:31:23,830 --> 01:31:24,750
Correct.

978
01:31:25,210 --> 01:31:29,610
Major documents, facilities, needs assessment, roads, needs studies, bridging, culvert studies,

979
01:31:30,430 --> 01:31:36,650
finance takes all of that, loads it up into the AMP software and the AMP plans and those

980
01:31:36,650 --> 01:31:39,510
are areas of like data confidence.

981
01:31:40,350 --> 01:31:42,410
So yes, it would feed into that exactly.

982
01:31:43,210 --> 01:31:43,490
Thank you.

983
01:31:43,910 --> 01:31:44,590
Council Hoffman.

984
01:31:47,050 --> 01:31:50,970
Through you, Mayor Bailey, this would be a question probably directed to Bill or Terry.

985
01:31:52,850 --> 01:31:57,170
I'm actually going to focus on something a little bit more positive here, our revenue

986
01:31:57,170 --> 01:32:02,610
stream and that would be 2026-014.

987
01:32:03,810 --> 01:32:08,950
Do we have an active plan in place to increase that revenue stream?

988
01:32:09,190 --> 01:32:15,410
Have we looked at other facilities to see other ways to basically get into that?

989
01:32:15,410 --> 01:32:23,370
I know it could be in the capital section, but I'm just curious if we are operating costs

990
01:32:23,370 --> 01:32:24,970
are quite large.

991
01:32:25,470 --> 01:32:29,750
Is there something that we could do to, I don't know, talking about increasing user fees?

992
01:32:30,190 --> 01:32:35,770
Have we thought outside the box and put something together like that to increase revenue?

993
01:32:36,970 --> 01:32:37,370
Thanks.

994
01:32:39,520 --> 01:32:42,760
Through you, Madam Mayor, it's a complex answer.

995
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:53,540
because a lot of like increasing the offerings, a lot of that has to do with the expertise of the staff.

996
01:32:53,780 --> 01:33:04,640
So like if we want to start improving there are adding programs that are unique or specific to like, I don't know.

997
01:33:04,680 --> 01:33:08,480
For instance, like gymnastics we require gymnastics offerings are very popular.

998
01:33:08,480 --> 01:33:13,640
We can continue to add them, but the availability of the instructors is challenging at time.

999
01:33:13,840 --> 01:33:17,760
So, currently what we offer is what we're able to from a staffing perspective.

1000
01:33:18,000 --> 01:33:23,080
We certainly talk around the table of ways to improve that and what other centers are doing.

1001
01:33:23,960 --> 01:33:30,940
We are adding daycare to Comber in hopes of being able to,

1002
01:33:31,860 --> 01:33:36,660
or daycamps or a to Comber in hopes of adding that offering.

1003
01:33:36,660 --> 01:34:04,720
It comes at a cost that we can't really offset the true cost of running it versus what we collect in revenue, but we're always looking at ways to improve that revenue stream offering possibly specialty skating courses in that, but again, that comes with having to have the staff that can can run that working with user groups maybe to partner with them to offer things like that.

1004
01:34:04,720 --> 01:34:08,860
So, those are all things behind the scenes that we're looking into.

1005
01:34:10,040 --> 01:34:14,640
I think just to redirect slightly, because I think where Councillor Hoffman was going was

1006
01:34:14,640 --> 01:34:21,600
less on the service levels or service delivery and more on innovation in terms of revenue

1007
01:34:21,600 --> 01:34:28,440
creation. So, solar panels on the property there that may bring in revenue and pardon,

1008
01:34:28,440 --> 01:34:34,900
and advertising opportunities that may create a revenue stream that will increase that

1009
01:34:34,900 --> 01:34:36,740
isn't tied to level of service.

1010
01:34:37,340 --> 01:34:44,220
So I think probably as we unfold 2026, some of those conversations that we can begin having

1011
01:34:44,220 --> 01:34:48,620
so that we can drive up to that 40 per cent goal or exceed it, I would like to see us get

1012
01:34:48,620 --> 01:34:50,520
50 per cent, so further?

1013
01:34:50,520 --> 01:35:16,680
Further, it was without saying that advertising is the way of the future in sports, and it's starting at 10-year-olds playing soccer right through hockey jerseys, and I think it's something that if we really maybe put a report together, that says, hey, let's do some research on this from another facility, what are you bringing in for advertising?

1014
01:35:16,680 --> 01:35:21,040
because we've got the ice, we've got the board, we have the fields outside and

1015
01:35:21,040 --> 01:35:26,080
in jerseys, I just think it's putting on events sponsored by, I just think it's

1016
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:32,900
such a huge revenue stream that is doable right now if we have people on top of it.

1017
01:35:33,180 --> 01:35:33,440
Thank you.

1018
01:35:33,900 --> 01:35:39,060
It might be a nice opportunity to kind of earmark the page too in terms of strategic priorities

1019
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:45,220
for Council moving into the next strap plan. We may want to begin thinking about what revenue

1020
01:35:45,220 --> 01:35:50,660
any generation looks like, because certainly the ones that we're looking at now on water

1021
01:35:50,660 --> 01:35:55,000
and wastewater and all of those conversations, we've been very successful in terms of grant

1022
01:35:55,000 --> 01:35:59,060
writing and bringing in the dollars the municipality needs, there may be an opportunity for us

1023
01:35:59,060 --> 01:36:03,580
to ensure that this is also part of our strategy, or maybe not highlighting it.

1024
01:36:03,840 --> 01:36:05,040
Agreed, Mayor Bailey, thank you.

1025
01:36:05,480 --> 01:36:05,860
Thank you.

1026
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:07,680
Councillor Kerr.

1027
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:13,040
Thank you. I'd like to go back to what was just mentioned

1028
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:23,380
over the line 017 and the Atlas 26791. I guess it's part of the show game. Facilities

1029
01:36:23,380 --> 01:36:28,160
is facilities, but in you decide that it's going to go here, it's going to go there.

1030
01:36:28,280 --> 01:36:32,320
But my question, I guess, is more around the second one than I was going to wait until

1031
01:36:32,320 --> 01:36:39,160
we got to that section, but here we are. The Atlas 2, the $40,000 for the Atlas 2 repairs

1032
01:36:39,160 --> 01:36:44,960
that is marked there in the capital part, says it's coming out of the non-Atlas tube facilities.

1033
01:36:45,760 --> 01:36:49,360
And so if the money's going to come out of there, it's going to give us a false total

1034
01:36:49,360 --> 01:36:54,720
when we're trying to figure out losses and profits and revenues and streams and all that stuff,

1035
01:36:54,840 --> 01:36:58,620
because there's $40,000 that the Atlas tube is taking from a different account.

1036
01:36:59,000 --> 01:37:04,320
So if some retired Chrysler worker wants to go over the last 10-year history of all the spending on

1037
01:37:04,320 --> 01:37:09,820
the Atlas tube, they would find that the numbers wouldn't jive with the reality.

1038
01:37:11,060 --> 01:37:13,260
So I just wanted to point that out.

1039
01:37:13,420 --> 01:37:18,020
And also, nowhere on here, since we're on the Atlas tube, could I find how much we're

1040
01:37:18,020 --> 01:37:20,560
paying an interest on the loan to the Atlas tube?

1041
01:37:24,610 --> 01:37:26,650
I think it just says Facilities, Reserve.

1042
01:37:29,750 --> 01:37:34,970
On my paper, it says Facilities, Brackets, Non-Atlas, or ATC, you know, won't fire them.

1043
01:37:35,630 --> 01:37:37,870
So I'm assuming that was like the Libros Center.

1044
01:37:38,550 --> 01:37:50,150
I don't think we have a reserve called facilities on that, let's do so it could be a typo to be honest with the councilor that's a great question in a good catch, but it does come from the facilities reserve.

1045
01:37:50,510 --> 01:38:02,270
Yeah, I know like it all comes from that, but if it's not labeled specifically if there's something other than at this to it makes me think it's the liberal center and not the office to so when I'm looking at how much have we spent over the last 10 years.

1046
01:38:02,270 --> 01:38:08,190
just fixing and upgrading and, you know, disambones or not disambones, different brand

1047
01:38:08,190 --> 01:38:08,370
name.

1048
01:38:08,790 --> 01:38:14,450
But we won't be getting an accurate number because if this won't show up there, if you

1049
01:38:14,450 --> 01:38:18,270
searched it, it will not show up under Atlas 2, but it will show up under none Atlas 2,

1050
01:38:18,430 --> 01:38:19,370
how it's written here.

1051
01:38:19,790 --> 01:38:25,830
So there's $40,000 that we're trying to make decisions on that, anyway, the second question

1052
01:38:25,830 --> 01:38:26,550
is more important now.

1053
01:38:26,770 --> 01:38:29,950
Can I just expand the first question just briefly?

1054
01:38:29,950 --> 01:38:35,670
because is there an opportunity for us to code out within our facilities reserve where that's going?

1055
01:38:35,770 --> 01:38:41,370
Because to your point, if council decides to set a strategy of 50 percent revenue,

1056
01:38:41,590 --> 01:38:47,170
we would want to make sure that there aren't bits of the ATRC that are being subsidized by other

1057
01:38:47,170 --> 01:38:52,950
budget centers. So is there a chance in ERP to be able to say, you know, coded at ATRC code?

1058
01:38:53,190 --> 01:38:57,510
I know sage simply accounting. I don't know your system, but I speak your language.

1059
01:38:58,450 --> 01:39:04,010
Certainly, actually, that is actually being designed as we speak. We are going through a chart field redesign.

1060
01:39:06,550 --> 01:39:12,030
Actually, the manager of accounting and revenue is working on it right now and that's sort of the conversation.

1061
01:39:12,830 --> 01:39:19,190
How do we use project codes to get the information at a building level?

1062
01:39:20,490 --> 01:39:24,210
So, certainly, that can be incorporated into the future accounting system.

1063
01:39:24,210 --> 01:39:42,510
But as of right now there is just there's two reserves for facilities, facilities new which is where a large amount is transferred into from this budget center to fund its replacement in future years in the facilities reserved.

1064
01:39:42,730 --> 01:39:50,630
So there's two, but which buildings and how they're used for what normally is a decision at this budget time.

1065
01:39:50,630 --> 01:39:54,810
But you're right, tracking all of that over the years would be difficult.

1066
01:39:55,390 --> 01:39:55,950
Sure.

1067
01:39:56,370 --> 01:40:00,570
And the answer to are we mapping our accounts currently for the new software?

1068
01:40:01,010 --> 01:40:04,970
Will we be rolling out and implementing the new software with those mapped accounts?

1069
01:40:05,550 --> 01:40:08,990
Yes, yes, we would, sorry,

1070
01:40:12,260 --> 01:40:16,160
sorry, that is certainly the intention.

1071
01:40:16,500 --> 01:40:21,140
And we're also looking to streamline and reduce the accounts.

1072
01:40:21,140 --> 01:40:27,100
This municipality, as of today, has 2800 different chart field designs.

1073
01:40:27,520 --> 01:40:29,720
That is a lot to put together.

1074
01:40:31,600 --> 01:40:36,400
I'm not sure it actually needs that many, so we're going to screenline that, reduce it,

1075
01:40:36,500 --> 01:40:41,620
and make it more user-friendly for our accounts and our internal management

1076
01:40:41,620 --> 01:40:43,440
and counsel on the community as well.

1077
01:40:43,440 --> 01:40:43,700
also.

1078
01:40:44,060 --> 01:40:49,320
And do we believe the implementation of the MAPTO account centers would happen for 2027

1079
01:40:50,020 --> 01:40:50,540
implementation?

1080
01:40:51,280 --> 01:40:51,540
Yeah.

1081
01:40:51,820 --> 01:40:52,780
That is the belief.

1082
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:56,280
I'll defer to Mr. Martin, who's chomping at the bit.

1083
01:40:56,820 --> 01:40:58,260
He is leading that project.

1084
01:40:58,360 --> 01:41:00,140
The class is on in order to read his expressions.

1085
01:41:00,720 --> 01:41:01,240
Welcome.

1086
01:41:01,420 --> 01:41:02,400
It's a good one.

1087
01:41:03,160 --> 01:41:04,000
So, yes.

1088
01:41:04,300 --> 01:41:10,720
Not only are we looking to—so it will be part of the implementation in 2020, meaning as we

1089
01:41:10,720 --> 01:41:27,300
As we go live mid-year, not only will that level of detail be available to administration and subsequently to counsel in reports, we're equally going to do a transformation of our legacy data into that new standard.

1090
01:41:27,880 --> 01:41:39,500
So to Mr. Russo's comment about streamlining and shrinking the chart of accounts, we will have fewer GLs.

1091
01:41:39,500 --> 01:41:43,240
but we will equally have increased level of details where it's relevant.

1092
01:41:43,680 --> 01:41:47,340
Thank you. Are we talking about the mapping of accounts? Is it Microsoft Dynamics?

1093
01:41:48,680 --> 01:41:51,360
Microsoft Dynamics will be the the account existence.

1094
01:41:51,580 --> 01:41:54,220
Okay, yeah, so we're speaking the same language. Councilor Kerr.

1095
01:41:54,960 --> 01:42:00,300
Further well, Mr. Martin is still there. I will. Oh, sorry, don't move.

1096
01:42:01,300 --> 01:42:05,720
The part two to the question, what is the amount of interest we are paying on the loan to the

1097
01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:06,680
That was true this year.

1098
01:42:16,130 --> 01:42:18,670
One moment that's on one of our handy spreadsheets.

1099
01:42:18,750 --> 01:42:19,890
I go into the right.

1100
01:42:20,910 --> 01:42:21,870
Yes, Councillor Kerr.

1101
01:42:22,890 --> 01:42:25,970
On the $264,000, Councillor Kerr.

1102
01:42:26,230 --> 01:42:27,430
34, an interest. Okay.

1103
01:42:28,370 --> 01:42:29,570
To Mr. Martin, thank you.

1104
01:42:30,610 --> 01:42:33,730
The active net transaction machine software.

1105
01:42:35,330 --> 01:42:38,810
With some of the other stuff we have, can that not just be incorporated?

1106
01:42:39,870 --> 01:42:42,350
Like, and I'm just thinking our IT team is really good too.

1107
01:42:42,350 --> 01:42:51,890
like that's to me is one of the the lower end of the of the apps if you will I don't know what

1108
01:42:51,890 --> 01:42:56,350
you'd refer to it but it's just like I don't want to say I could do it but I think I you know I'm

1109
01:42:56,350 --> 01:43:03,970
talking tough it's like I could make that anyway could you speak to that happy to the so as part

1110
01:43:03,970 --> 01:43:11,430
of the ERP we will be rolling out and consolidating our payment service offerings the municipality right

1111
01:43:11,430 --> 01:43:16,090
right now has no less than three different ones that we use,

1112
01:43:16,190 --> 01:43:17,270
active net being one of them,

1113
01:43:17,850 --> 01:43:21,590
Mineris being another, and Paymentis is what is currently

1114
01:43:21,590 --> 01:43:22,970
processing online transactions.

1115
01:43:23,570 --> 01:43:26,990
Three is exactly two too many for my liking.

1116
01:43:27,250 --> 01:43:29,370
I prefer that we consolidate down to one.

1117
01:43:30,770 --> 01:43:32,910
As part of the ERP implementation,

1118
01:43:32,910 --> 01:43:36,830
we're gonna consolidate down to two initially,

1119
01:43:37,190 --> 01:43:41,110
and then we can review what active net provides to us

1120
01:43:41,110 --> 01:43:47,030
that is outside of our current scope. Active Net provides the registration website and

1121
01:43:47,030 --> 01:43:55,250
that registration website is, let's say at no cost, thank you Bill, where Active Net

1122
01:43:55,250 --> 01:44:00,890
recoups the cost of that registration portal and the programming that goes into that is

1123
01:44:00,890 --> 01:44:07,830
on those transaction fees. So as the registration occurs or as the pinpad at the ATRC as an example

1124
01:44:07,830 --> 01:44:13,250
is used, those are those associated transaction fees, and the reason you see it in that manner

1125
01:44:13,250 --> 01:44:19,330
is so that it is passed on as a user fee rather than subsidized necessarily from the tax base.

1126
01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:29,760
It's listed as a $21,000 out of expense, so there is a cost to us right now.

1127
01:44:30,160 --> 01:44:33,680
And I, nothing to say, I just, yes, give rid of it if you can or one of them.

1128
01:44:39,060 --> 01:44:44,780
I'm hesitant on your comments because it's an absolutely needed system, so that's one member of

1129
01:44:44,780 --> 01:44:47,660
Council's comments in non-emotion, just so we're clear.

1130
01:44:49,460 --> 01:44:55,280
No, there's three different ways of doing it, and now what I'm saying is, when he merges

1131
01:44:55,280 --> 01:44:57,680
them into two, we just save $21,000.

1132
01:44:58,080 --> 01:44:59,100
I'm agreeing with that.

1133
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:24,420
We're choosing which one gets eliminated. Also, at a high level, please evaluate our systems and where you can find efficiencies. Please do because I think that's what comes with the service trying to say. No, I was just going to ask and I don't want to beat on it. So what's the 21,000 for if it's added to the people's paid the service charge is already added? What's the 21,000 additional ask over and above for then?

1134
01:45:30,660 --> 01:45:40,640
Through you Madam Mayor, part of the increase in an active net user fees is somewhat directly correlated to the increase in revenue that we're collecting at the facility.

1135
01:45:41,240 --> 01:45:43,720
So it's a percentage of the revenue that we collect.

1136
01:45:44,040 --> 01:45:55,840
So a portion of the 294,823 dollars of increased revenue offsets the expense that we pay to active net.

1137
01:45:57,320 --> 01:46:00,780
I got you now. This is the expense, but we didn't see it in here.

1138
01:46:00,980 --> 01:46:05,200
It goes into the general revenue for the ATRC. That comes back. All good.

1139
01:46:05,920 --> 01:46:06,940
Thank you. Constable Vaughn.

1140
01:46:08,520 --> 01:46:13,720
Thank you. The Atlas 2 remains a very difficult issue for residents of my ward.

1141
01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:15,460
Many of whom don't even know where it is.

1142
01:46:16,040 --> 01:46:20,740
So when we see that 1.16 percent of the levy is for, you know,

1143
01:46:20,740 --> 01:46:27,700
overages, it's challenging. So my question I guess is regarding the revenue adjustments.

1144
01:46:27,900 --> 01:46:32,160
And I know that we've allowed for a 4% increase. When will we look at that fee schedule?

1145
01:46:32,820 --> 01:46:37,920
And is there an opportunity for us to further increase those revenues that an impact 2026,

1146
01:46:38,520 --> 01:46:46,660
or are we locked in for 2026 in any action we take will benefit future years, especially the summer

1147
01:46:46,660 --> 01:46:50,640
programming, which of course concerns all of us because of these higher levels of service.

1148
01:46:51,660 --> 01:46:57,280
Certainly. I'll answer that. So it actually goes back to the mayor's original question,

1149
01:46:57,380 --> 01:47:03,960
what is the cost recovery piece right now? So the cost recovery actually right now is 42% in

1150
01:47:03,960 --> 01:47:09,900
this budget we're moving to 44. So I knew 40 stuck out in my head when I wasn't quite sure. We are

1151
01:47:09,900 --> 01:47:18,300
trying to increase our margins on cost recovery, and the second part the user fee review will be

1152
01:47:18,300 --> 01:47:25,540
in front of Council in January or February. The third part is when do those fees come into

1153
01:47:25,540 --> 01:47:34,660
effect. The ATRC and the Marina do have staggered implementation dates of, believe April 1st, so that

1154
01:47:34,660 --> 01:47:48,920
The hockey groups and the user groups can plan for increased ice rentals and the voters as well can plan for increases at the start of the season so they can build it into the registration costs.

1155
01:47:49,300 --> 01:47:51,920
It's a phased in approach for those particular areas.

1156
01:47:53,740 --> 01:48:01,140
So further, I guess for clarity, does that mean that those changes could impact this number for this year? Could we see growth to that number?

1157
01:48:01,140 --> 01:48:09,920
We factored the changes into the budget, so we factored that revenue increased percentage cost recovery into that $290,000.

1158
01:48:11,770 --> 01:48:19,110
I guess what I mean is when we meet in January, February, if we increase it further, will it impact this budget?

1159
01:48:19,790 --> 01:48:26,810
If you were to increase the cost recovery margin further than 44%, yes, you could have a positive impact on this budget.

1160
01:48:27,550 --> 01:48:30,910
I did appreciate the answer.

1161
01:48:31,350 --> 01:48:35,430
Certainly as we move forward with some of our systems, then we begin linking at statistical

1162
01:48:35,430 --> 01:48:35,990
data.

1163
01:48:36,470 --> 01:48:39,310
I think it will answer some of the questions, Councillor Vaglio, that you bring forward

1164
01:48:39,310 --> 01:48:44,230
because in my world, we would have the data collected in a pie and you'd be able to see where

1165
01:48:44,230 --> 01:48:45,050
folks are coming from.

1166
01:48:45,470 --> 01:48:49,890
Similar to the very successful breakfasts as well, Santa, that we had recently where you could

1167
01:48:49,890 --> 01:48:53,970
absolutely see that overall sense of community happening in multiple communities.

1168
01:48:53,970 --> 01:48:59,910
But that's a good example of, you know, 700 breakfasts that are completed and where our

1169
01:48:59,910 --> 01:49:04,270
residents are coming from that take advantage of some of the things that we do, but certainly

1170
01:49:04,270 --> 01:49:09,610
recognizing that our outlying areas also receive service delivery from Tilbury, or may

1171
01:49:09,610 --> 01:49:15,730
receive service delivery from Takam sea and Essex and so forth, but certainly the bulk of where

1172
01:49:15,730 --> 01:49:17,850
those users are coming from. Councillor Reston.

1173
01:49:19,290 --> 01:49:27,870
Yeah, I just, to Councillor Volgler, we just approved the park in Stony Point for 5 million.

1174
01:49:28,250 --> 01:49:31,310
I don't flush a toilet in Stony Point where we're spending a large amount.

1175
01:49:31,730 --> 01:49:35,590
Don't attack institutions that we use.

1176
01:49:36,290 --> 01:49:38,170
No, you're playing political games with it.

1177
01:49:39,850 --> 01:49:45,230
So just my statement, because if you're going to say they don't know where the ATRC is, my

1178
01:49:50,130 --> 01:50:01,630
So back to the opportunity to have statistical data that drives decision-making, I think that would be a fabulous thing because we begin seeing where folks are coming from back to our CFO on this subject.

1179
01:50:03,800 --> 01:50:04,340
All right.

1180
01:50:05,780 --> 01:50:14,280
If there are no other questions on the ATRC, I guess we could move on to the fire department.

1181
01:50:15,140 --> 01:50:15,900
All right, we'll do that.

1182
01:50:18,180 --> 01:50:24,580
Okay, the fire department is found on page 54 and 55 of the budget work that you're writing me.

1183
01:50:24,940 --> 01:50:28,680
And we'll be up on screen for residents in a moment.

1184
01:50:30,200 --> 01:50:30,940
Thank you.

1185
01:50:33,190 --> 01:50:37,990
So this is a similar discussion around service delivery and where service comes from

1186
01:50:37,990 --> 01:50:43,810
and kind of that pie of where the calls come from and all of that statistical data that we talk

1187
01:50:43,810 --> 01:50:50,390
about in recreation facilities and fire services and EMS has this discussion all the time as well.

1188
01:50:51,410 --> 01:50:54,390
Great. Comments, questions on this, Councillor Reston.

1189
01:50:55,370 --> 01:51:03,790
Just a comment to you, Chief. In the position title, Conversion Rules, I see we have a conversion

1190
01:51:03,790 --> 01:51:11,010
from to a full-time firefighter there. I was wondering, I'm assuming that's an assistant deputy chief

1191
01:51:11,010 --> 01:51:19,430
roll that was turned over or how did that one come about or my memory might have a blank in it from

1192
01:51:19,430 --> 01:51:26,330
before. I'm not sure. Thank you. Through you, Madam Mayor. So earlier this year, we had

1193
01:51:26,330 --> 01:51:33,950
vacancy with our deputy chief position. We took that opportunity to reassess the organizational

1194
01:51:33,950 --> 01:51:41,170
structural structure that we had, and so during that time we had myself a deputy chief

1195
01:51:41,170 --> 01:51:46,170
to assist the deputy chiefs were our full-time staff. As we went through that process,

1196
01:51:46,570 --> 01:51:53,970
we re-aligned consistent with other municipalities the same sizes, Lakeshore, and in growing medium-sized

1197
01:51:53,970 --> 01:51:59,190
municipalities across the province, so we re-aligned to have two deputy chiefs. We eliminated

1198
01:51:59,190 --> 01:52:04,190
the Assistant Deputy Chiefs, but changed the one position to a firefighters position so

1199
01:52:04,190 --> 01:52:08,990
that they can assist with daytime responses. So that was the realignment that we had there.

1200
01:52:09,850 --> 01:52:12,330
Further? No, thank you, Chief. I just want clarification.

1201
01:52:15,650 --> 01:52:20,770
Councillor Kern? I guess the day has come. We've turned the corner. It's time to start with

1202
01:52:20,770 --> 01:52:30,330
full-time staff, and this is ground zero, all right? The other comments, questions on this budget center.

1203
01:52:31,590 --> 01:52:32,890
Seeing none. Thank you Chief.

1204
01:52:39,630 --> 01:52:42,410
Thank you Madam Mayor. If Council would turn their attention

1205
01:52:42,410 --> 01:52:49,030
to page 58 of their budget book that would bring us into the recreation division budget center.

1206
01:52:52,200 --> 01:52:57,120
Thank you just a comment to kick us off. Very pleased to see 2026109 in the addition of the

1207
01:52:57,120 --> 01:53:03,620
Comber day camp. We've been long after that so seeing that expansion is fantastic.

1208
01:53:05,000 --> 01:53:06,540
Comments, questions from others?

1209
01:53:09,170 --> 01:53:09,950
Councillor Kurn.

1210
01:53:11,190 --> 01:53:13,230
This is just to put the seat out there.

1211
01:53:14,290 --> 01:53:19,510
The City of Windsor offers a daytime service, I think it's called SERP or something, and

1212
01:53:19,510 --> 01:53:22,930
I don't know if it's something we could do at this time because we're trying to get our

1213
01:53:22,930 --> 01:53:29,490
money back, but just to put it into people's minds, it's basically where we send out a recreation

1214
01:53:29,490 --> 01:53:35,670
employee and they do day camp style things and it's at no cost for the lower income residents

1215
01:53:35,670 --> 01:53:38,810
of Lake Shore. So I just thought I'd put that in everybody's minds.

1216
01:53:40,630 --> 01:53:45,970
Thank you, sir. There is an opportunity to apply pathway to potential to day camp.

1217
01:53:46,810 --> 01:53:50,630
Is that what you're referencing? No, this is different. No, you're talking about, yeah,

1218
01:53:50,730 --> 01:53:55,450
where you can get you can access money and that's that's a good program too. This is actually free.

1219
01:53:55,450 --> 01:53:58,510
But it's just I'm just putting it in everybody's minds.

1220
01:53:58,730 --> 01:54:01,710
You can all Google it later, and maybe it's something for next year.

1221
01:54:02,130 --> 01:54:02,570
Thank you.

1222
01:54:04,030 --> 01:54:06,170
Okay, further comments, questions on recreation?

1223
01:54:07,510 --> 01:54:08,230
Seeing them?

1224
01:54:10,720 --> 01:54:11,620
Thank you Madam Mayor.

1225
01:54:11,800 --> 01:54:16,400
That'll bring us to page 61 of your budget workbooks or the Marina Budget Center for those

1226
01:54:16,400 --> 01:54:17,580
following along at home.

1227
01:54:18,200 --> 01:54:19,580
We'll put that up on screen.

1228
01:54:42,670 --> 01:54:48,770
Have we been over the budget in terms of the necessary devices that are required?

1229
01:54:48,770 --> 01:54:53,710
I remember a number of years ago being quite shocked when we performed an audit to find out that we

1230
01:54:53,710 --> 01:54:59,110
didn't have the life-saving devices and things that we needed along the marina, and it didn't take

1231
01:54:59,110 --> 01:55:05,410
me long to go for a walk-through and be able to see a number of things that were actually required,

1232
01:55:05,610 --> 01:55:10,050
and they seem to be things that were removed from the budget prior to it coming to this point.

1233
01:55:10,270 --> 01:55:15,070
And so that's stuck with me for a long time. And I just want to ensure that we have the

1234
01:55:15,070 --> 01:55:19,210
the right things in the right places, and that we have inspected them.

1235
01:55:19,210 --> 01:55:23,510
I remember taking a life-saving device out and it was connected to nothing, and therefore

1236
01:55:23,510 --> 01:55:25,790
I wouldn't save a life down at the marina.

1237
01:55:26,190 --> 01:55:30,990
I also know that we had a ladder installed, but the ladder was so far away that you wouldn't

1238
01:55:30,990 --> 01:55:33,010
actually be able to get to it if you fell in the water.

1239
01:55:33,990 --> 01:55:38,890
So recognizing those things, I just would like to know that current state and current budget

1240
01:55:38,890 --> 01:55:41,110
is asking for the number of things that we may require.

1241
01:55:44,980 --> 01:56:13,020
Through you Madam Mayor, yeah we make those improvements as we require them and as we notice them so if there are additional life-saving devices within our operations budgets we can always purchase those or replace aging infrastructure that's down there so those are all things that are consideration excellent so if that audit has not been completed if it could move to the top of our list so that we do complete a bit of an audit that would be appreciated.

1242
01:56:13,780 --> 01:56:17,960
further comments, questions. I don't think I need a motion.

1243
01:56:20,860 --> 01:56:24,160
Yeah, excellent. Good. I'm

1244
01:56:24,160 --> 01:56:28,400
understanding that an audit was recently conducted, so that actually makes me feel good. Thank you.

1245
01:56:29,000 --> 01:56:36,260
All right. Nothing more on this one, CFO? Well, thank you Madam Mayor. Let's move to page 64,

1246
01:56:37,220 --> 01:56:40,780
which is the change request for parks and trails.

1247
01:56:51,800 --> 01:56:59,960
Councillor Santorissa. Thank you, Madam Mayor, for you. Just a question on 26-047 at $139

1248
01:57:00,230 --> 01:57:06,280
in utility costs. Is this a forecast knowing that we have stony point coming on live next

1249
01:57:06,280 --> 01:57:12,660
year, that we have potentially, depending as long as it goes through, the splash pad upgrades

1250
01:57:12,660 --> 01:57:19,720
at Lakeview Park. I'm just curious as to what this 139 is. Is this river bridge kind of stabilizing

1251
01:57:19,720 --> 01:57:23,860
over time, and what's our total amount now annually?

1252
01:57:25,740 --> 01:57:31,140
Certainly, I'm letting Jessica do a little bit of analysis, but certainly splash pads

1253
01:57:31,140 --> 01:57:33,280
is a large adjustment.

1254
01:57:33,460 --> 01:57:37,700
I spoke to some of those accounting weaknesses in our accounting system.

1255
01:57:38,100 --> 01:57:47,180
One of them was the meter reads that were coming from the splash pad at River Ridge.

1256
01:57:47,180 --> 01:57:51,660
There was a significant adjustment in our 2024 year end.

1257
01:57:53,280 --> 01:58:00,660
We were showing actuals of 20,000 a year, but it's actually $60,000 a year as water is

1258
01:58:00,660 --> 01:58:02,580
significant as it goes through a splash pad.

1259
01:58:02,820 --> 01:58:09,440
So we have accounted for increased costs, I believe, for the Stony Point Park splash pad

1260
01:58:09,440 --> 01:58:09,980
that's proposed.

1261
01:58:09,980 --> 01:58:17,680
but a large portion of the $139,000 in utilities cost does come from splash pads.

1262
01:58:18,620 --> 01:58:25,000
And that was a decimal point error on a meter read inside of our system.

1263
01:58:28,040 --> 01:58:31,860
Thank you. A question related to 2026 110.

1264
01:58:32,420 --> 01:58:36,280
This is a position that I think I started advocating for in 2014,

1265
01:58:37,120 --> 01:58:41,360
noting the two seasonal positions converting into a full-time park operator.

1266
01:58:41,360 --> 01:58:44,940
But what I do notice is that the position has been downloaded from what we've been asking

1267
01:58:44,940 --> 01:58:49,700
for since 2014, and I know in collaboration with the corporate leader, the corporate

1268
01:58:49,700 --> 01:58:58,120
leader really was thorough with me to understand why a team lead position would be requested

1269
01:58:58,120 --> 01:59:04,340
and not a park's operator, and I drank that Kool-Aid a long time ago, and I began trying

1270
01:59:04,340 --> 01:59:09,560
to build our systems in accordance with how we would deliver service in community.

1271
01:59:09,560 --> 01:59:16,980
So I'm wondering why the reduction in that position from a team lead to a full-time parks operator.

1272
01:59:25,450 --> 01:59:30,850
I'm not really sure why we chose to do the parks operator versus the team lead conversion.

1273
01:59:31,190 --> 01:59:35,950
Certainly, if council would like to see the team lead conversion, we'd require a bit of an adjustment,

1274
01:59:36,150 --> 01:59:42,230
but we could make that adjustment, but we will be moving to three full-time parks operators.

1275
01:59:43,130 --> 01:59:59,250
Thank you. So, if you could look at that budget center and advise of what that number would need to be instead of the 3195, and I will carry on and you can come back to me with what that number is, I don't believe there's been a system.

1276
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,340
Change or direction change from wanting to do that now. Okay, so I'll carry on in the meantime. Yeah, we will figure that out. Okay, Councillor Reston. Just to that comment, I think it's more important to have a hand on the ground. So you're going to convert a leadership role and lose two seasonals on the ground to have another boss is what it is. No, it says it's a leadership role that from my understanding we went through this in pass budget.

1277
02:00:29,340 --> 02:00:32,580
They're not out on the ground, they're supervising the workers.

1278
02:00:34,220 --> 02:00:35,620
No, no, he's wrong.

1279
02:00:36,240 --> 02:00:37,860
Through you, Madam Mayor, they would be working,

1280
02:00:38,360 --> 02:00:41,660
they would be a working body.

1281
02:00:41,920 --> 02:00:48,180
Just the understanding I think, and sorry, Mr. Simon's just to compliment what you're saying.

1282
02:00:48,740 --> 02:00:51,880
The understanding is that it is a boots on the ground role,

1283
02:00:52,060 --> 02:00:56,760
but what it does allow is some executive decision making so that they can independently also make decisions

1284
02:00:56,760 --> 02:01:04,600
as well they're out in the field, which means that they aren't having to report back for low-level decision-making.

1285
02:01:05,240 --> 02:01:14,920
No, and that was the misunderstanding with me and the past on it that it was just a, it was going to be a boss role where they weren't on the ground.

1286
02:01:15,080 --> 02:01:22,280
That's why I was heavily opposed to that, so that was my misunderstanding and that's how I read even some of it in here in the, in the request.

1287
02:01:22,280 --> 02:01:39,380
So no, if that's if they're boots on the ground, I'm fine with that because they're they're there the terminal. Yeah, the lead man. No, no, I know. I know it's a lead hand and and that's fine. I'm okay with that, but that that was the misunderstanding. I thought it was another boss and not so we're good.

1288
02:01:39,840 --> 02:01:41,280
That's great. Thank you.

1289
02:01:45,160 --> 02:01:48,420
I'll come back to you, Councillor Wallstead, and then Santa Rosa.

1290
02:01:49,180 --> 02:01:49,260
Okay.

1291
02:01:49,480 --> 02:01:50,200
Councillor Santa Rosa.

1292
02:01:50,320 --> 02:01:50,660
Thank you.

1293
02:01:50,900 --> 02:01:52,060
I just really quickly.

1294
02:01:52,260 --> 02:01:56,340
I just want to jump in before the topic changes on this piece too, because that was my understanding

1295
02:01:56,340 --> 02:01:57,700
going through the business case studies.

1296
02:01:58,300 --> 02:02:01,940
So just from a language perspective, when we're taking a look at some of these reports that

1297
02:02:01,940 --> 02:02:06,560
come forward as the business case for the, you know, for staffing, if you're looking at

1298
02:02:06,560 --> 02:02:11,200
that lead hand role, there are several of these where it's provide information and

1299
02:02:11,200 --> 02:02:14,620
recommendations to the team leader and division leader, provide information and recommendations

1300
02:02:14,620 --> 02:02:16,420
to them as required to maintain efficiency.

1301
02:02:16,620 --> 02:02:21,420
So it does very much feel like it's somebody doing some coordination and then reporting

1302
02:02:21,420 --> 02:02:25,640
up and not necessarily speaking to the day-to-day on the ground activity.

1303
02:02:26,280 --> 02:02:30,900
So in fairness, the parks operator section was really small there too.

1304
02:02:31,460 --> 02:02:36,460
So my recommendation is just particularly in this space, we could have probably used a

1305
02:02:36,460 --> 02:02:38,360
little bit more information to understand that.

1306
02:02:38,360 --> 02:02:43,500
But understanding now, where the mayor is going kind of with this line of questioning

1307
02:02:43,500 --> 02:02:47,040
here around whether or not we actually want the parks operator of the lean hands.

1308
02:02:47,040 --> 02:02:48,780
So I appreciate the new info.

1309
02:02:49,260 --> 02:02:50,560
Thank you and to our CAAO.

1310
02:02:51,720 --> 02:02:52,320
You're good?

1311
02:02:53,740 --> 02:02:54,260
Yep.

1312
02:02:55,040 --> 02:02:57,300
No, just back to the park utilities.

1313
02:02:58,220 --> 02:03:02,060
We said the run the splash pad was 60,000 in water.

1314
02:03:02,580 --> 02:03:06,780
Is that water and wastewater or because what goes in goes out.

1315
02:03:06,780 --> 02:03:08,660
What is that one 20 or is that 60?

1316
02:03:09,360 --> 02:03:13,000
No, total bill, including water and wastewater is 60, so.

1317
02:03:13,400 --> 02:03:16,400
Okay, no, yes, we said water, I just wanted to clarify.

1318
02:03:16,860 --> 02:03:17,020
Correct.

1319
02:03:17,440 --> 02:03:18,260
Okay, no, thank you.

1320
02:03:18,900 --> 02:03:27,520
And to you, Madam Mayor, the additional monies that would be required are 28,462 to make that a lead hand.

1321
02:03:28,100 --> 02:03:36,760
So the total change request would move from $3,194 in this area to 30.

1322
02:03:39,900 --> 02:03:46,040
So the difference between $3,195 in terms of the budget impact would now be?

1323
02:03:47,200 --> 02:03:52,040
It would now be an additional $28,462.

1324
02:03:52,440 --> 02:03:52,920
Thank you.

1325
02:03:56,160 --> 02:03:56,800
Deputy Mayor.

1326
02:03:59,690 --> 02:04:02,850
Maybe a discussion for another time, but just then I made a note here.

1327
02:04:03,030 --> 02:04:06,990
But so this is considered waste water goes in a sanitary sewer system.

1328
02:04:09,200 --> 02:04:17,580
Any time there's a water bill, there is the water component for the actual usage and the wastewater component out.

1329
02:04:17,760 --> 02:04:21,700
So the volumes, the metric volumes are charged both on water and wastewater.

1330
02:04:21,940 --> 02:04:22,940
No, I just, where does it go?

1331
02:04:23,140 --> 02:04:25,760
I just want those to go in the municipal drain because there's clean water.

1332
02:04:25,920 --> 02:04:27,920
Just goes over somebody, they're not taking a bath.

1333
02:04:28,300 --> 02:04:31,160
It's just, it's just water, playing water.

1334
02:04:31,160 --> 02:04:31,980
But where does it go?

1335
02:04:32,140 --> 02:04:36,560
I guess maybe this cable would know, but it's probably not a discussion for today.

1336
02:04:36,560 --> 02:04:44,500
I'm sorry. I don't want to throw things off, but it really bothers me. That's a lot of money and a lot of water. So if it's, if we use a capacity in our

1337
02:04:44,500 --> 02:04:46,080
sewage treatment plant, that's not good.

1338
02:04:46,920 --> 02:04:56,600
Through you, Mayor, there is a sewer connection at the property. So when the water is running, a lot of it is captured in the sewer system.

1339
02:04:57,420 --> 02:05:03,880
But most of it is overland and ends up in the storm sewer system or filled infiltrated.

1340
02:05:04,620 --> 02:05:05,440
Thank you, Amber.

1341
02:05:08,220 --> 02:05:10,080
Thank you for bringing me to go up for a start.

1342
02:05:10,680 --> 02:05:13,880
Thank you. You're welcome. Further comments? Councillor Vogler.

1343
02:05:15,440 --> 02:05:21,680
Thank you. I just have a question about this role conversion and just to the position that's actually being requested in 2610.

1344
02:05:22,860 --> 02:05:28,840
The seasonal employees that we typically have used have these typically been students for those two roles.

1345
02:05:31,900 --> 02:05:40,420
The seasonal employees are not typically students, some are, but the role runs from early April

1346
02:05:40,420 --> 02:05:41,180
to November.

1347
02:05:43,780 --> 02:05:48,160
I think my concern is, and again, I obviously know your department, and if you think that

1348
02:05:48,160 --> 02:05:52,780
we're placing two people with one person will be as efficient, then I hope that that proves

1349
02:05:52,780 --> 02:05:53,320
to be true.

1350
02:05:54,020 --> 02:05:57,540
But I know that we've spoken about this before, and we've talked about park staff and the

1351
02:05:57,540 --> 02:06:01,640
needs, and we've talked about the geography of Lakeshore, and how long it takes, you know,

1352
02:06:01,640 --> 02:06:05,040
So you put somebody in a car and they're not to that park for an hour.

1353
02:06:05,620 --> 02:06:10,080
So if we take two people and make it one, I'm concerned that the service level will suffer.

1354
02:06:10,680 --> 02:06:14,060
And then what will ultimately happen is next year you'll be back asking for more people

1355
02:06:14,060 --> 02:06:19,580
because we'll find that we can't physically service the geographical area.

1356
02:06:19,940 --> 02:06:23,500
So I'm assuming that all of that has been considered, but if you can just speak to that a little

1357
02:06:23,500 --> 02:06:27,240
bit because I mean, will you be back next year asking for two more people?

1358
02:06:28,620 --> 02:06:35,280
As we increase our levels to the, through you, Mayor, to Councillor Vogler, as we increase

1359
02:06:35,280 --> 02:06:41,400
our parks and the number of parks and our services in the parks, we will ask for more

1360
02:06:41,400 --> 02:06:45,480
service. We will ask for more people. I cannot say we will never ask for more people.

1361
02:06:47,760 --> 02:06:53,180
Right now we feel like this is the best thing we can do for this budget to increase our service

1362
02:06:53,180 --> 02:06:53,980
level in the parks.

1363
02:06:57,000 --> 02:06:57,780
Councillor Kerr.

1364
02:06:58,660 --> 02:07:02,540
I'm just looking for, I heard there's a bunch of numbers and a bunch of talk that.

1365
02:07:03,020 --> 02:07:06,680
So right now, there is no changes to line 110.

1366
02:07:07,260 --> 02:07:12,020
Right now as of this minute, we are moving forward, we're taking two part times and

1367
02:07:12,020 --> 02:07:13,180
turning it into a bulk time.

1368
02:07:13,560 --> 02:07:15,160
Am I following the bouncing ball correct?

1369
02:07:19,580 --> 02:07:21,540
Is your question, is there a dollar impact?

1370
02:07:22,020 --> 02:07:25,880
No, no, no, is that what's supposed to be, yeah, is that still what's happening?

1371
02:07:25,880 --> 02:07:30,460
There's no motion. There's no motion. There's no motion. So that's fair. I'm going to stay as is as of this moment.

1372
02:07:31,220 --> 02:07:32,360
Thank you.

1373
02:07:34,360 --> 02:07:40,580
So the motion is on the table. I made the motion and it was seconded by Deputy Mayor and so I'll have the clerk read it.

1374
02:07:40,760 --> 02:07:41,000
Okay.

1375
02:07:44,670 --> 02:07:45,430
Madam Mayor.

1376
02:07:46,130 --> 02:07:58,310
The motion that I have on the floor is to add an additional $28,462 to item 2026 dash 110 in order to allow for a lead hand position.

1377
02:08:05,230 --> 02:08:11,490
So it's asking for a full-time parks operator, I'm changing the job title to a full-time

1378
02:08:11,490 --> 02:08:12,370
lead hand.

1379
02:08:13,210 --> 02:08:14,010
Oh, that's it.

1380
02:08:14,530 --> 02:08:14,790
That's it.

1381
02:08:15,010 --> 02:08:15,210
Thank you.

1382
02:08:17,270 --> 02:08:20,070
Any other comments, questions on the motion?

1383
02:08:21,030 --> 02:08:21,690
We'll vote digitally,

1384
02:08:56,220 --> 02:08:58,300
and that's carried when a post comes to the Vogueler.

1385
02:09:06,910 --> 02:09:12,430
Thank you Madam Mayor. If there are no further questions on parks, we can move to Facilities

1386
02:09:12,430 --> 02:09:17,530
Non-ATRC on page 67 of our budget.

1387
02:09:37,640 --> 02:09:41,180
Seeing none, moving back to our CFO.

1388
02:09:42,140 --> 02:09:48,660
Thank you Madam Mayor. I'll take this time as we switch out of one department into another

1389
02:09:48,660 --> 02:09:53,340
to update council on where the tax rate calculation is at this moment in time.

1390
02:09:53,580 --> 02:09:53,860
Thank you.

1391
02:09:54,620 --> 02:10:02,740
It is at, sorry, just a second, after all the adjustments, we are sitting at 3.96% at this

1392
02:10:02,740 --> 02:10:02,880
time.

1393
02:10:03,860 --> 02:10:04,440
Thank you.

1394
02:10:05,320 --> 02:10:10,780
That being said, if council would like, we can move into the growth and sustainability

1395
02:10:10,780 --> 02:10:17,940
the admin section on page 70 of your budget book, noting one request there.

1396
02:10:25,600 --> 02:10:29,340
Councillor Santorissa, thank you, Madam Mayor, through you. Similar to the motion that

1397
02:10:29,340 --> 02:10:35,260
was made earlier at the start of the budget, I'd like to move that we remove item 2026-013.

1398
02:10:41,560 --> 02:10:46,660
So moved and seconded by, Councillor Reston, comments, questions?

1399
02:10:51,120 --> 02:10:52,620
Seeing none, we'll vote digitally.

1400
02:10:52,620 --> 02:10:53,480
That's

1401
02:11:03,680 --> 02:11:05,580
carried 8-0 moving

1402
02:11:07,980 --> 02:11:17,220
on there are no other questions. I'll move council to page 76 of the budget book the GIS budget center with one.

1403
02:11:18,100 --> 02:11:19,460
Change request there.

1404
02:11:19,900 --> 02:11:24,240
Thank you, Chancellor Kerr. I just want to point out you bypassed page 75.

1405
02:11:25,440 --> 02:11:34,920
Correct. The economic development budget center no longer exists however to show the proper actual in our budget software.

1406
02:11:34,920 --> 02:11:39,600
So that the numbers balance we had to include the the actuals from 2024.

1407
02:11:40,680 --> 02:11:46,500
I believe in the budget we added $35,000 to that account and it's still sitting there.

1408
02:11:46,680 --> 02:11:51,940
So could I make a motion then that we move all that money into the contingency fund?

1409
02:11:53,990 --> 02:11:57,070
I'm not sure what $35,000 you're talking about.

1410
02:11:57,110 --> 02:12:04,830
We've reallocated some of the budget, we've reallocated some of that budget out of that budget center, but I'm not.

1411
02:12:04,830 --> 02:12:11,250
and the reserves. Yeah, yeah, reserves. Plus, hang on, give me one minute.

1412
02:12:13,820 --> 02:12:14,900
Economic development,

1413
02:12:15,400 --> 02:12:22,660
contributions 25,000 of opening balance, 394,000 to $15 plus we're adding another 15 for a year end

1414
02:12:22,660 --> 02:12:28,280
of 419. So my motion would be to move that 419 into the contingency budget because we don't have an

1415
02:12:28,280 --> 02:12:30,080
economic development of our budget.

1416
02:12:36,620 --> 02:12:39,180
That's, we'll move it to get it out. We'll move it to

1417
02:12:39,180 --> 02:12:40,780
see. It's changing today.

1418
02:12:44,620 --> 02:12:49,740
That $25,000 transfer has been moved to the growth and sustainability

1419
02:12:49,740 --> 02:12:58,160
admin section that used to exist in the economic development section. So that's in the previous,

1420
02:12:58,160 --> 02:12:59,860
Yes, it's just a budget real allotment.

1421
02:13:00,040 --> 02:13:06,020
So you're asking to cancel the $25,000 transfer to reserves, if I'm following you.

1422
02:13:06,840 --> 02:13:12,940
I'm under the belief as to what I've read that we have an economic development department and

1423
02:13:12,940 --> 02:13:16,240
an economic development fund of 416,000.

1424
02:13:16,440 --> 02:13:20,040
I'm hearing from my fellow counselors that it is a CIP account.

1425
02:13:20,420 --> 02:13:25,640
So I guess my question or my concern would be, then can we change the name to CIP and

1426
02:13:25,640 --> 02:13:30,120
call it what it is because I'm under the impression that we have an economic development

1427
02:13:30,120 --> 02:13:36,560
department with $400,000 and that's 1% reduction in the budget, if we give it back to the

1428
02:13:36,560 --> 02:13:36,920
taxpayer.

1429
02:13:37,640 --> 02:13:41,580
You want to eliminate the entire reserve, the economic development reserve, because there

1430
02:13:41,580 --> 02:13:45,200
is no department, there is no operating dollars for that.

1431
02:13:45,840 --> 02:13:51,100
I would like to move it to the CIP or to the contingency fund that, it's just a shell

1432
02:13:51,100 --> 02:13:55,620
Okay, end that line, delete that line, move the money to contingency.

1433
02:13:56,920 --> 02:14:02,880
If we don't have an economic development, if it's not CIP, now if it's CIP, by all means

1434
02:14:02,880 --> 02:14:04,000
change the name to CIP.

1435
02:14:06,630 --> 02:14:07,670
I follow you.

1436
02:14:08,350 --> 02:14:15,030
So you are talking about a adjustment to the reserve balances, reallocating the reserve fund

1437
02:14:15,030 --> 02:14:19,670
closing the economic development and reserve and transferring it to the contingency reserve.

1438
02:14:19,670 --> 02:14:24,710
given that we decommissioned the economic development and mobility area.

1439
02:14:25,070 --> 02:14:30,850
Okay. I understand. I'm not trying to take away the money. I'm just trying to put it where I believe it belongs.

1440
02:14:31,710 --> 02:14:37,610
And so if administration can make a recommendation of the best place to put that for the utilization of CIP, et cetera.

1441
02:14:40,780 --> 02:14:44,840
Sorry, I was trying to follow and figure out how I'm going to do the math. What was your question there, Madam Mayor?

1442
02:14:44,840 --> 02:14:53,250
It is to say, could you recommend where? We might move that, too, so that we can complete

1443
02:14:53,250 --> 02:14:55,610
the CIP work and things that we want to get done.

1444
02:14:56,710 --> 02:14:59,970
Well, at this point in time, Council has a

1445
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:10,000
We'll approve the transfer 400,000 out of that reserve, which we show through the reserve. The balance of the reserve could be allocated anywhere council would like.

1446
02:15:13,260 --> 02:15:27,020
At this point in time, I would, I would not, I'd hesitate to guess which council priority is the highest and best use. So perhaps putting it to the contingency reserve for a later day makes sense. So, McNamara.

1447
02:15:28,880 --> 02:15:33,980
Well, I agree with Councillor Kerr, we did eliminate the role in the last budget for economic development.

1448
02:15:34,180 --> 02:15:38,740
It does not negate the fact that we still have economic development happening within Miss Pality.

1449
02:15:39,300 --> 02:15:42,480
Our CAO, our deputy CAO may be picking up some of those tasks.

1450
02:15:43,220 --> 02:15:46,380
There's members of the Horizons team moving forward that we'll be picking up those tasks.

1451
02:15:46,920 --> 02:15:50,580
And then if we take away the budget to do that, we then box them in.

1452
02:15:50,760 --> 02:15:52,520
So I don't think we should be touching this.

1453
02:15:52,520 --> 02:15:57,540
If you want to argue over the $25,000 contribution limit or addition that we're putting in this

1454
02:15:57,540 --> 02:16:01,920
year to that reserve, I think we could talk about that, but to move the reserve to contingency,

1455
02:16:02,080 --> 02:16:07,540
I think kneecaps us in the ability to work with the development community, the business community,

1456
02:16:07,720 --> 02:16:10,560
the industrial community when they come in and ask questions and want us to do work.

1457
02:16:10,680 --> 02:16:12,060
So I don't support moving that.

1458
02:16:12,800 --> 02:16:13,600
Councillor Santorissa.

1459
02:16:14,300 --> 02:16:14,640
Thank you.

1460
02:16:15,800 --> 02:16:16,200
Dido?

1461
02:16:16,460 --> 02:16:21,760
Councillor McNamara's comments just around the, I think the requirement for us to at least

1462
02:16:21,760 --> 02:16:26,920
protects some of that funding. There is, as I had recommended, pulling that $20,000

1463
02:16:26,920 --> 02:16:32,000
branding initiative out of the Invest Windsor Essex Economic Development Fund, which you'll

1464
02:16:32,000 --> 02:16:38,920
find on page 181. It's about five up from the bottom. After that $20,000 branding piece coming

1465
02:16:38,920 --> 02:16:45,940
out of reserves, there would still be a $185, 424 left in that reserve. Councillor Kerr, if that's

1466
02:16:45,940 --> 02:16:51,600
where you'd like to reallocate that $25,000 from. I mean, I'd be more than supportive of seeing it

1467
02:16:51,600 --> 02:16:55,080
come from there, for sure, to reduce the impact on the levy by that same amount.

1468
02:16:55,460 --> 02:17:01,540
I could agree with that, but I think what's missing is, like, we can put them, it's a

1469
02:17:01,540 --> 02:17:01,900
shell game.

1470
02:17:02,000 --> 02:17:03,240
We can put the money anywhere you want.

1471
02:17:03,480 --> 02:17:08,520
If you want to take that $400,000 and put it in the CAO's account for travels and expenses,

1472
02:17:08,840 --> 02:17:09,540
so that's fine.

1473
02:17:09,880 --> 02:17:17,420
We don't have, and I just think that it's a false sense of security having a $400,000 economic

1474
02:17:18,100 --> 02:17:18,900
development fund.

1475
02:17:18,900 --> 02:17:25,260
I just think that that if you want somebody like to put it somewhere out and the contingency

1476
02:17:25,260 --> 02:17:27,800
fund is just our nice general bank account.

1477
02:17:28,120 --> 02:17:31,840
We can move it from there anywhere we want and like I said, it's just the shell game.

1478
02:17:31,960 --> 02:17:38,040
It's just that title that because we went to such lengths to eliminate the position and

1479
02:17:38,040 --> 02:17:44,480
so I just think it just puts an end to that topic, I guess, but that's not even the right

1480
02:17:44,480 --> 02:17:46,380
word because we do have economic development.

1481
02:17:46,380 --> 02:17:49,220
And yes, Centers for Cities, they have their own budget.

1482
02:17:49,320 --> 02:17:51,800
We just gave them, I don't know, two, three million dollars,

1483
02:17:51,900 --> 02:17:54,540
or we're agreeing to give them millions of dollars.

1484
02:17:54,800 --> 02:17:57,660
So I don't think that they're going to need that,

1485
02:17:57,800 --> 02:17:59,640
but you know, if you want to put it somewhere else,

1486
02:17:59,660 --> 02:18:02,460
but I'm just saying that line gets removed

1487
02:18:02,460 --> 02:18:04,680
from all our budgetary process.

1488
02:18:05,520 --> 02:18:06,400
Councillor Reston.

1489
02:18:07,540 --> 02:18:09,600
I was just going to say, I'm going to agree

1490
02:18:09,600 --> 02:18:12,840
with Councillor McNamara and Councillor Santa Rosa here.

1491
02:18:12,840 --> 02:18:21,300
I do agree with taking that $25,000 from the Windsor Economic Development Fund to take that off the levy.

1492
02:18:22,740 --> 02:18:29,520
To Councillor Kerr's point, we can move money from any reserve anywhere we want at any time, so I do agree just keep it there.

1493
02:18:29,940 --> 02:18:42,400
We are going to have more, hopefully a lot more economic development stuff coming along where we might use some of those dollars and it might be a thing where in the next budget we might have to pull money out of there for something else if so choose.

1494
02:18:42,400 --> 02:18:49,600
but again we can move money around it at any time so I won't support that I don't do you have

1495
02:18:49,600 --> 02:18:56,220
the motion on the floor no that's not good not yet okay so yeah so yeah I would I would recommend

1496
02:18:56,220 --> 02:19:01,780
that we take that 25,000 from Windsor Economic Development into there to reduce the levy by that

1497
02:19:01,780 --> 02:19:07,680
that I'll make a motion if there's not one on the floor. Councillor Kerr your motion

1498
02:19:07,680 --> 02:19:16,040
That was table I haven't called for a seconder yet, but that seems to be the easy path first.

1499
02:19:16,460 --> 02:19:20,160
Okay, so we'll move to Councillor Reston's motion. Do you have that councillor?

1500
02:19:20,440 --> 02:19:21,720
Okay, Councillor Reston.

1501
02:19:22,560 --> 02:19:32,320
Yeah, to take the 25,000 contribution out of the Windsor Economic Development Reserve,

1502
02:19:32,320 --> 02:19:37,000
instead of from the LaVie, I'm assuming that was coming from originally that into there.

1503
02:19:38,560 --> 02:19:39,060
Seconded by?

1504
02:19:43,080 --> 02:19:43,800
Councillor Santorosa?

1505
02:19:44,600 --> 02:19:45,320
Do you want me to cancel it?

1506
02:19:48,680 --> 02:19:49,560
Comments or questions?

1507
02:19:50,400 --> 02:19:51,000
Councillor Vogler?

1508
02:19:51,880 --> 02:19:52,840
Sorry, Councillor Vogler.

1509
02:19:52,920 --> 02:19:53,620
I did have you down.

1510
02:19:53,820 --> 02:19:54,100
That's okay.

1511
02:19:54,300 --> 02:19:54,660
Thank you.

1512
02:19:54,860 --> 02:19:58,600
I guess my question is, or maybe it's not a question, I think I'm trying to capture what Councillor

1513
02:19:58,600 --> 02:20:03,540
Curz's effort here is to put it in the contingency so that we're using less contingency so that next

1514
02:20:03,540 --> 02:20:07,820
year we're not starting from a place of a 4% tax increase because I'm looking at this

1515
02:20:07,820 --> 02:20:15,800
and I'm saying there's 185 now, 210,000 in Invest Windsor Essex. There's 500,000 in the

1516
02:20:15,800 --> 02:20:22,140
CIP and then there's 419,000 in economic development. So we have a hundred or a hundred. We have

1517
02:20:22,140 --> 02:20:26,860
a million dollars of today's taxpayer's money sitting in a reserve for something that we're

1518
02:20:26,860 --> 02:20:30,240
not doing. I agree with Councillor Kerr, I'd rather put it someplace where we're going

1519
02:20:30,240 --> 02:20:36,960
actually impact this year's budget and in some maybe wanted to impact this year but it impacts

1520
02:20:36,960 --> 02:20:42,420
next year because of our obligation to repay whatever we take from contingency. So I'm concerned

1521
02:20:42,420 --> 02:20:49,540
that just moving 25 and leaving all these reserves here isn't accomplishing what I think Councillor

1522
02:20:49,540 --> 02:20:57,000
Curz intention was if I'm understanding that correctly. So I will support the 25 but I'm also

1523
02:20:57,000 --> 02:21:00,120
So, hopeful that you will bring that back because I understand the, if I understand

1524
02:21:00,120 --> 02:21:01,940
the intent, I think it's important for us to do that.

1525
02:21:03,960 --> 02:21:04,180
Okay.

1526
02:21:07,100 --> 02:21:08,500
Any other comments on the motion?

1527
02:21:09,600 --> 02:21:10,140
Seeing none?

1528
02:21:10,940 --> 02:21:11,620
We'll vote digitally.

1529
02:21:35,950 --> 02:21:40,630
My multi-tasking clerk who's capturing motions and answering my questions on the fly over

1530
02:21:40,630 --> 02:21:40,850
here.

1531
02:22:34,690 --> 02:22:36,570
Let's carry eight zero, Councillor Kerr.

1532
02:22:37,330 --> 02:22:45,010
Yes, I would like to make a motion that we close off the whole economic development reserve

1533
02:22:45,010 --> 02:22:51,910
of account and move it to the Consentious Accounts for a future allocation by Council.

1534
02:22:57,970 --> 02:22:58,350
Thank you.

1535
02:22:58,490 --> 02:23:05,170
Second by Councillor Vogler, comments, questions, seeing them, we'll vote digitally,

1536
02:23:36,420 --> 02:23:36,980
motions

1537
02:23:36,980 --> 02:23:43,260
lost, two to six, six opposed, Mayor Bailey, Councillor Santerosa, Deputy Mayor Wallstead,

1538
02:23:43,460 --> 02:23:45,880
Councillor Busting, Councillor McNamara, Councillor Hoffman.

1539
02:23:45,880 --> 02:23:46,820
Okay,

1540
02:23:50,090 --> 02:23:52,370
to our CFO, moving on to GIS.

1541
02:23:53,110 --> 02:23:53,930
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1542
02:23:54,050 --> 02:23:57,770
GIS has found on page 76 of the budget's workbook,

1543
02:23:58,190 --> 02:24:01,450
and we'll be up on screen for our residents very shortly.

1544
02:24:13,090 --> 02:24:16,090
Can you walk us through 2026, 029?

1545
02:24:16,370 --> 02:24:18,110
What type of conferences and training

1546
02:24:18,110 --> 02:24:20,810
with the GIS technicians participate in?

1547
02:24:28,820 --> 02:24:29,660
Mr. Martin, please.

1548
02:24:31,760 --> 02:24:35,960
This line item is to create a training budget

1549
02:24:35,960 --> 02:24:56,380
for the GIS technician. I believe if my history of the municipality is correct, GIS at one point fell within IT and it was separated from and its budget is not necessarily in full completeness in years past when the GIS technician has had to take training.

1550
02:24:56,380 --> 02:25:03,320
The IT budget has actually gone ahead and covered some of those to support GIS as it transitions

1551
02:25:03,840 --> 02:25:05,260
between new software packages.

1552
02:25:06,140 --> 02:25:11,440
And as read the provider of the software package has made significant changes in capabilities

1553
02:25:11,940 --> 02:25:19,420
and this would support our GIS technician in ensuring that they remain up to the standard

1554
02:25:19,420 --> 02:25:24,840
that is expected of them as they continue to administer and advance future capabilities

1555
02:25:24,840 --> 02:25:25,940
of our GIS system.

1556
02:25:27,060 --> 02:25:27,740
Thank you.

1557
02:25:27,880 --> 02:25:29,900
Can we speak to the position reallocation?

1558
02:25:30,240 --> 02:25:32,460
This position I thought was in planning?

1559
02:25:34,500 --> 02:25:35,760
It remains in planning.

1560
02:25:35,960 --> 02:25:36,940
It remains in planning.

1561
02:25:37,220 --> 02:25:37,540
Thank you.

1562
02:25:37,840 --> 02:25:41,380
And so when it references the position reallocation or relocation,

1563
02:25:41,940 --> 02:25:42,360
what is that?

1564
02:25:42,540 --> 02:25:43,700
What is that referring to?

1565
02:25:47,900 --> 02:25:50,600
I believe when it moved to planning.

1566
02:25:51,140 --> 02:25:53,260
I believe that move predates me.

1567
02:25:53,640 --> 02:25:56,320
So I'm going to take a yes.

1568
02:25:56,320 --> 02:25:57,960
This is something that's already occurred.

1569
02:25:57,960 --> 02:26:04,320
So this happened, I believe, in the last organizational assessment or review that was done.

1570
02:26:04,740 --> 02:26:11,000
I think in 2021 or 2020, Brianna is nodding roughly in agreement.

1571
02:26:12,100 --> 02:26:17,080
And so at that, I don't think at the time was, that budget center was completely

1572
02:26:17,080 --> 02:26:21,920
and fully funded, and this is an attempt to do so. No change in reporting structure,

1573
02:26:21,920 --> 02:26:25,380
or I'm simply offering to support in the absence

1574
02:26:25,380 --> 02:26:29,120
of the Executive Director of Community Planning

1575
02:26:29,120 --> 02:26:30,220
with the Budget Request.

1576
02:26:30,800 --> 02:26:31,380
Thank you.

1577
02:26:31,940 --> 02:26:32,420
That's great.

1578
02:26:32,760 --> 02:26:33,560
Any other questions?

1579
02:26:34,700 --> 02:26:36,560
Seeing none, we'll move on.

1580
02:26:36,740 --> 02:26:38,300
I think I'll go ahead and call it.

1581
02:26:38,540 --> 02:26:39,140
I'm sorry.

1582
02:26:42,560 --> 02:26:44,600
I'll go ahead and call it.

1583
02:26:44,780 --> 02:26:46,740
So we'll take a recess now for lunch,

1584
02:26:46,960 --> 02:26:49,640
and we will be back at the table at 130.

1585
02:26:50,540 --> 02:26:51,100
130.

1586
02:26:56,490 --> 02:26:59,250
We'll start, we'll be starting at community planning.

1587
02:27:01,010 --> 02:27:02,150
It's all certain.

1588
02:27:03,390 --> 02:27:06,550
My apologies. It is up to the mayor and council of how long you would like a recess.

1589
02:27:07,990 --> 02:27:09,950
We had scheduled now, but it could be left.

1590
02:27:10,450 --> 02:27:13,810
Okay, our folks around the table, okay, with a one o'clock start.

1591
02:27:15,090 --> 02:27:17,730
All right, so one o'clock we'll be back at the table.

1592
02:27:17,730 --> 02:27:20,730
We'll be starting with community planning and we'll be on page 79.

1593
02:27:21,190 --> 02:27:21,650
Thank you.

1594
02:27:22,570 --> 02:27:23,750
Yeah.

1595
02:27:23,750 --> 02:27:24,150
That's easy.

1596
03:06:07,060 --> 03:06:36,020
Everyone, I'd like to call the meeting back to order again. I do note that we're making really great progress through our budget, and we've certainly had good deliberations so far and good comments leading in. So welcome back to council chambers. Also welcome back to those folks at home that we're waiting on us for eight minutes. I appreciate the wave, but we're back now. We're starting at the top of our community planning on page 79.

1597
03:06:36,020 --> 03:06:38,320
and I'll turn it right over to our CFO.

1598
03:06:38,760 --> 03:06:39,720
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1599
03:06:41,060 --> 03:06:43,620
One thing I'd like to do or bring to Council's attention

1600
03:06:43,620 --> 03:06:45,480
before we start community planning is

1601
03:06:45,900 --> 03:06:47,740
back when we were discussing corporate accounts.

1602
03:06:48,680 --> 03:06:50,920
One of the motions of Council recently was

1603
03:06:50,920 --> 03:06:54,180
to remove the community grants piece.

1604
03:06:55,060 --> 03:06:57,080
That motion occurred after the budget was completed,

1605
03:06:57,080 --> 03:07:01,360
so there is an additional $25,500 that can be removed

1606
03:07:01,360 --> 03:07:04,520
from the corporate accounts to lower the tax rate.

1607
03:07:04,520 --> 03:07:10,900
I think we'll make that adjustment because that's already been voted on and made by Council.

1608
03:07:11,140 --> 03:07:14,040
So it'll have a positive effect on the tax rate.

1609
03:07:14,260 --> 03:07:17,860
So I just wanted to make note of that, and we're going to put that in our cracking, okay?

1610
03:07:18,180 --> 03:07:18,580
Thank you.

1611
03:07:18,720 --> 03:07:19,080
4%.

1612
03:07:19,720 --> 03:07:20,640
Thank you so much.

1613
03:07:20,760 --> 03:07:24,880
So recognizing that we were at 3.96, we're now at 3.85.

1614
03:07:25,540 --> 03:07:26,040
That is correct.

1615
03:07:26,200 --> 03:07:26,780
3.85.

1616
03:07:27,500 --> 03:07:27,940
Thank you.

1617
03:07:27,940 --> 03:07:34,580
Okay, and with that, I'll turn it over to Council for review of the community planning area.

1618
03:07:34,900 --> 03:07:48,120
I will note there are three positions here and those three positions are previously approved and funded by either the half-grant or the shift grant that Council discussed earlier in the year.

1619
03:07:48,980 --> 03:07:51,960
So those are some big staffing additions, but they're all grant funded.

1620
03:07:59,540 --> 03:08:00,180
Stephanie Mayer.

1621
03:08:02,690 --> 03:08:03,050
Stephanie Mayer.

1622
03:08:03,050 --> 03:08:03,230
Thank you.

1623
03:08:03,390 --> 03:08:12,370
Why in the 020 on page just 79, 5 full-time planners, do we send, it looks like here that

1624
03:08:12,370 --> 03:08:15,310
we send all the planners to the conference all at the same time?

1625
03:08:15,510 --> 03:08:16,390
Is there just one conference?

1626
03:08:16,690 --> 03:08:20,130
And I'm just wondering why we would send everybody, so there's nobody in the office because

1627
03:08:20,130 --> 03:08:24,090
they know the pressure is on planning now, so, and how long is the conference, probably four

1628
03:08:24,090 --> 03:08:25,470
or five days, is it or three or four?

1629
03:08:26,130 --> 03:08:28,630
Through you, Mayor Belly, to Deputy Mayor.

1630
03:08:29,130 --> 03:08:33,830
So the OPPI conference occurs once in a year, and it's usually a three day conference,

1631
03:08:34,050 --> 03:08:36,010
and then there's also a committee of adjustment conference.

1632
03:08:36,230 --> 03:08:38,150
Those are, I think, two to three days as well.

1633
03:08:38,650 --> 03:08:45,210
So we do split the planners between the conferences, but majority of the planners do attend the OPPI

1634
03:08:45,210 --> 03:08:45,650
conference.

1635
03:08:47,510 --> 03:08:48,070
Thank you.

1636
03:08:48,430 --> 03:08:51,590
So there's still someone, there are people are still here, though, and not everybody's gone

1637
03:08:51,590 --> 03:08:52,090
at the same time.

1638
03:08:52,490 --> 03:08:52,770
That's good.

1639
03:08:52,910 --> 03:08:53,150
Thank you.

1640
03:08:54,270 --> 03:08:54,930
Councillor Kerr.

1641
03:08:54,930 --> 03:09:04,250
Thank you. It says full-time planners. Is that through these three plus two more that are the

1642
03:09:04,250 --> 03:09:10,910
new ones? Is that the five that we're talking about? Through you, Mary, yes, that's correct.

1643
03:09:12,050 --> 03:09:19,350
Further than could, why isn't the half funding paying for two to three fifths of that conference

1644
03:09:19,350 --> 03:09:24,030
then? If they're paying, if it's their jobs and their people and they're on part time and they're not

1645
03:09:24,030 --> 03:09:28,030
not going to be with us forever, so why would that money come from taxpayer, why would

1646
03:09:28,030 --> 03:09:33,790
it not come from the funding, either a chip or half or whatever, how come, and that's

1647
03:09:33,790 --> 03:09:37,610
not everything, that's going to be a reoccurring question with me on some of these jobs, because

1648
03:09:38,550 --> 03:09:45,350
when we give our jobs to like an outside company, we don't have to provide them with desks and

1649
03:09:45,350 --> 03:09:49,030
cars and laptops, that company does it with us.

1650
03:09:49,030 --> 03:09:54,130
So once again, with here, if we ordered this work from an outside company, we wouldn't

1651
03:09:54,130 --> 03:09:55,750
have to pay for their employees to go to conferences.

1652
03:09:56,310 --> 03:10:00,730
So I'm wondering how come this isn't coming, three-fists isn't coming from the half fund

1653
03:10:00,730 --> 03:10:03,090
or whichever each person is.

1654
03:10:05,130 --> 03:10:06,290
Thank you for the question.

1655
03:10:06,850 --> 03:10:12,190
We'd have to review what is deemed an eligible expense under the grant agreement.

1656
03:10:12,830 --> 03:10:17,310
I don't recall, in my review, seeing that training in conferences was an eligible expense

1657
03:10:17,310 --> 03:10:20,510
to be covered under the grant. However, temporary staffing was.

1658
03:10:24,940 --> 03:10:25,860
So then we don't send them.

1659
03:10:26,200 --> 03:10:27,200
Is that an option?

1660
03:10:33,370 --> 03:10:37,050
That's, I suppose, that's up to Council. They want to invest in their staff.

1661
03:10:59,120 --> 03:11:01,380
Any other questions from members of Council?

1662
03:11:04,560 --> 03:11:08,120
Seeing them, we'll move on from community planning

1663
03:11:09,400 --> 03:11:16,480
and into building. CFO? Thank you Madam Mayor. Building change request can be found on page 82

1664
03:11:16,480 --> 03:11:21,140
of the budget. Book for Council, and we'll be up on screen for our residents.

1665
03:11:22,660 --> 03:11:24,660
Thank you. Welcome, Mr. Harding.

1666
03:11:27,160 --> 03:11:28,080
Questions for building?

1667
03:11:42,080 --> 03:11:44,640
Seeing none, we'll move on, CFO.

1668
03:11:46,240 --> 03:11:51,300
Thank you, Madam Mayor, that moves us into the next department, legal and legislative services,

1669
03:11:51,960 --> 03:11:59,140
which begins with the general general council budget center, which can be found on page.

1670
03:12:00,120 --> 03:12:04,960
I'm sorry, there are no change requests for that, but they can be found on page 85.

1671
03:12:05,220 --> 03:12:09,660
If there are any other questions on the the admin center, Council feel free.

1672
03:12:18,940 --> 03:12:22,180
My apologies, you directed us to page 85.

1673
03:12:23,760 --> 03:12:27,120
Correct, there are no change requests for this budget center.

1674
03:12:28,160 --> 03:12:28,940
That's a blank page.

1675
03:12:29,300 --> 03:12:29,760
Thank you.

1676
03:12:29,940 --> 03:12:35,420
And recognizing that you sent me to a blank page, this is in reference also.

1677
03:12:35,420 --> 03:12:36,820
Did you say to Council's budget?

1678
03:12:37,820 --> 03:12:41,520
No, this is general general counsel, like legal, general counsel.

1679
03:12:41,520 --> 03:12:43,020
Perfect, thank you. Just were on legal. All right.

1680
03:12:45,640 --> 03:12:47,620
I'm sorry, it's very confusing. That's on me.

1681
03:12:49,700 --> 03:12:50,060
Yes,

1682
03:12:53,740 --> 03:12:59,680
we may need to go back to that one. I did have a question for it, but I have no questions related to the blank page in my book.

1683
03:13:00,540 --> 03:13:02,380
Fair enough. There are no change requests there.

1684
03:13:02,900 --> 03:13:03,260
Thank you.

1685
03:13:03,420 --> 03:13:03,920
What else?

1686
03:13:05,020 --> 03:13:11,300
So let's move then, seeing noted no questions, let's move to legal services, which is on page 88.

1687
03:13:12,360 --> 03:13:16,640
And there are a few reallocation keyed requests here.

1688
03:13:28,620 --> 03:13:30,460
Seeing them, we'll move on with our agenda.

1689
03:13:31,260 --> 03:13:32,420
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1690
03:13:32,940 --> 03:13:42,180
Let's move on to page 91, legislative services, where you can find a change request to reallocate within departments

1691
03:13:42,180 --> 03:13:46,240
and one change request to increase the transfer to the election reserve.

1692
03:13:48,150 --> 03:13:49,190
Comments, questions?

1693
03:13:51,700 --> 03:13:52,480
Seeing none.

1694
03:13:56,620 --> 03:14:04,040
Okay, thank you Madam Mayor. Moving along quickly here, let's move to page 94, the by-law division of legislative services.

1695
03:14:04,580 --> 03:14:08,740
Where you find some reallocation change requests.

1696
03:14:28,740 --> 03:14:36,220
Seeing none, I'd like to direct members of council back with me just for a second to page 15, and while we go back to council services,

1697
03:14:36,220 --> 03:14:39,740
I just wanted to ask some of the questions here.

1698
03:14:40,240 --> 03:14:46,840
I note that although there hasn't been a giant uptake amongst this Council in terms of

1699
03:14:46,840 --> 03:14:51,700
conferences and that sort of thing, I do want to make sure that the budget is adequate

1700
03:14:51,700 --> 03:14:55,540
to be able to attend the conferences and the learning opportunities that are needed.

1701
03:14:55,540 --> 03:14:59,920
And recognizing the overall budget, I think that the general

1702
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:29,100
General rule of thumb in the past has been that Councillors would go or be funded to go to two council conferences. Do we still have that allocation within this budget? Should members of council choose to go to two different conferences in one year times eight members of council? There's been no adjustments to the amount that council can undertake. I will note, as you've mentioned, historically, council is very much underspent in that regards.

1703
03:15:29,100 --> 03:15:36,840
But the budget allotment exists very much in line with what was established years ago for each council member.

1704
03:15:37,520 --> 03:15:46,020
So recognizing that council earlier on in this budget cut our own wages and recognize no wage increase next year.

1705
03:15:46,460 --> 03:15:50,900
I do think that it is important though that we're setting the standard that if folks wanted to go, they could.

1706
03:15:51,100 --> 03:15:56,860
And what will happen instead is if you say you'd like to go on a conference and there's no money left in the budget,

1707
03:15:56,860 --> 03:15:59,680
that then the individual won't be able to go on a conference.

1708
03:16:00,000 --> 03:16:02,200
So, do you know what this number would need to be

1709
03:16:02,200 --> 03:16:03,980
or what adjustment would be required?

1710
03:16:04,200 --> 03:16:06,800
Should members of council want to go on conference next year?

1711
03:16:08,180 --> 03:16:09,420
So, through you, Madam Mayor,

1712
03:16:09,660 --> 03:16:11,820
we have an allotment of $8,000.

1713
03:16:12,200 --> 03:16:13,700
So, as you've done the math,

1714
03:16:13,860 --> 03:16:16,660
it's approximately, you could attend probably two,

1715
03:16:16,660 --> 03:16:18,420
maybe two and a half conferences with that.

1716
03:16:19,520 --> 03:16:21,480
It depends on how, you know,

1717
03:16:21,540 --> 03:16:23,100
which conferences they are if they're local,

1718
03:16:23,180 --> 03:16:24,020
there's travel involved.

1719
03:16:24,020 --> 03:16:27,680
but that is the amount set aside for each member of council?

1720
03:16:28,080 --> 03:16:30,120
And does not mean that that's the all-in amount.

1721
03:16:31,120 --> 03:16:35,820
Typically, the ones I'm signing off on are more than $1,000 for a conference.

1722
03:16:36,120 --> 03:16:36,260
No.

1723
03:16:36,620 --> 03:16:37,780
Probably more than that.

1724
03:16:38,000 --> 03:16:42,020
So, I would say that it probably allows members of council to go to half a conference.

1725
03:16:43,260 --> 03:16:44,640
8,000 per person.

1726
03:16:44,920 --> 03:16:45,060
Oh.

1727
03:16:46,220 --> 03:16:46,700
Yes.

1728
03:16:47,020 --> 03:16:47,180
Correct.

1729
03:16:47,360 --> 03:16:48,200
8,000 per person.

1730
03:16:48,460 --> 03:16:48,760
Thank you.

1731
03:16:49,620 --> 03:16:49,740
Yeah.

1732
03:16:49,980 --> 03:16:50,440
Add a quick then.

1733
03:16:50,640 --> 03:16:51,200
Thank you so much.

1734
03:16:52,800 --> 03:16:56,090
All right. Carrying back on.

1735
03:16:58,270 --> 03:17:01,110
All right. Thank you. Thank you, Madam Mayor. Let's move

1736
03:17:01,110 --> 03:17:10,070
back to page 97, Animal Control Budget. Now, I will note for Council here, it kind of

1737
03:17:10,070 --> 03:17:17,610
got lost in translation a bit in the change of the manager of by-law who oversees this,

1738
03:17:17,610 --> 03:17:24,530
but licenses and permits and related costs for dog tags should be removed from this budget

1739
03:17:24,530 --> 03:17:31,230
center so the revenue should be removed and the and the related cost which has a budget

1740
03:17:31,770 --> 03:17:38,950
impact of $22,800. So if we are going to right size the budget we should make that adjustment here

1741
03:17:38,950 --> 03:17:43,990
at this time. It was just missed in budget review and budget submission but it's been

1742
03:17:45,110 --> 03:17:49,090
No, it would increase the levy by 22800, so.

1743
03:17:51,220 --> 03:17:55,760
Okay, I'm looking for a motion to proceed with those changes.

1744
03:17:58,020 --> 03:17:59,220
Thank you, Councillor McNamara.

1745
03:17:59,420 --> 03:18:00,840
Seconded by Deputy Mayor Wallstead.

1746
03:18:00,960 --> 03:18:05,740
We're adding the 22k to right-size-the-budget comments, questions?

1747
03:18:10,230 --> 03:18:12,210
One question from myself.

1748
03:18:12,650 --> 03:18:19,010
Are we ensuring that the envoys are up to date for the participatory organization?

1749
03:18:19,010 --> 03:18:19,950
for the dog pound?

1750
03:18:22,330 --> 03:18:24,750
Animal control is actually separate than the dog pound.

1751
03:18:24,830 --> 03:18:32,430
I know it's very confusing, but the dog pound books are obviously not in this budget

1752
03:18:32,430 --> 03:18:37,250
as it's funded by the four different communities, but we have made some significant headway

1753
03:18:37,250 --> 03:18:43,130
on accounting, reporting, and communications with our partners in that venture.

1754
03:18:43,550 --> 03:18:43,830
Excellent.

1755
03:18:43,830 --> 03:18:51,870
And so the dollars as they relate to even the incoming revenue that we're receiving from the participatory organizations,

1756
03:18:52,250 --> 03:18:55,430
is that not flowing through a budget center somewhere?

1757
03:18:55,670 --> 03:18:57,830
And if so, if not, why not?

1758
03:18:58,050 --> 03:19:04,130
And if so, where do we expect to see it in the future once we're aligning with Microsoft Dynamics?

1759
03:19:04,230 --> 03:19:10,430
So the dog pound is, it flows through the dog pound committee, the books flow through there.

1760
03:19:10,430 --> 03:19:20,710
It is not tax payer-funded, it is funded by the contribution to the dog-pound for the dog days.

1761
03:19:21,210 --> 03:19:29,070
It is almost like a separate legal entity from the municipality of Lakeshore, and it only gets reported up into our consolidated books.

1762
03:19:29,250 --> 03:19:33,550
So they actually have their own audited financial statements, and their own complete set of books.

1763
03:19:34,470 --> 03:19:39,130
Thank you. And so the employee wages associated would go also through that framework.

1764
03:19:39,130 --> 03:19:49,470
That's correct, any staff hired flow through that separate organization or a cooperative organization between us and the other communities.

1765
03:19:49,850 --> 03:19:50,230
Thank you.

1766
03:19:52,200 --> 03:20:01,130
Okay, on the motion for the increase of 22k or animal control that is not dog pound will vote digitally.

1767
03:20:13,260 --> 03:20:14,320
And that's carried eight zero.

1768
03:20:17,160 --> 03:20:24,420
Thank you Madam Mayor, the next budget center is on page 100 and has the change request for the police budget center.

1769
03:20:24,420 --> 03:20:38,300
I will note that this budget center sees significant increase to the OPP contract and I can confirm with council as of right now we do not have the budget estimate for 2026 from the OPP.

1770
03:20:39,040 --> 03:20:43,040
I'm looking at my friend the general council but as of this morning that has not come in.

1771
03:20:43,920 --> 03:20:52,820
We are estimated $5.8 million as the required amount to fund the OPP contract in 2026.

1772
03:20:58,740 --> 03:20:59,500
I

1773
03:21:05,550 --> 03:21:14,330
know the increase for policing is 2.1% of the municipal levy, but it equates to somewhere

1774
03:21:16,120 --> 03:21:22,300
in the range of $750,000 from last year.

1775
03:21:22,300 --> 03:21:23,100
Did

1776
03:21:26,360 --> 03:21:26,780
he mayor?

1777
03:21:29,160 --> 03:21:32,240
Recently heard that leaning in for example is 11% increase.

1778
03:21:33,400 --> 03:21:37,220
I don't know if it's comparable for all other municipalities, or am I wrong?

1779
03:21:38,740 --> 03:21:44,400
There was a communication put out by the OPP that it will not exceed 11%.

1780
03:21:44,840 --> 03:21:54,700
But unless leaning has an email or something to the effect that all of the other municipalities that are on our police services board,

1781
03:21:54,700 --> 03:21:59,420
We don't actually know at this time what it is going to be.

1782
03:21:59,620 --> 03:22:06,140
So we forecasted to the best of our ability, noting that we will inform council when we

1783
03:22:06,140 --> 03:22:13,280
get that cost estimate for the year, but as of this time, $5.8 million is our best guess.

1784
03:22:15,670 --> 03:22:16,290
Thank you.

1785
03:22:16,610 --> 03:22:17,950
Moving forward to crossing guards.

1786
03:22:20,940 --> 03:22:21,820
Thank you Madam Mayor.

1787
03:22:22,000 --> 03:22:23,980
Crossing guards can be found on page 103.

1788
03:22:23,980 --> 03:22:31,980
One budget request there to add an additional two corners to the Recrossing Guard program.

1789
03:22:45,510 --> 03:22:46,610
Thank you, moving forward.

1790
03:22:49,090 --> 03:22:49,830
Thank you Madam Mayor.

1791
03:22:50,730 --> 03:22:58,330
The next area is the Operations Service admin found on page 106 of the Budget Center.

1792
03:22:58,670 --> 03:23:04,230
I will note that one of the shift funded positions falls into this budget category.

1793
03:23:04,230 --> 03:23:08,670
And then there are a few additional change requests here.

1794
03:23:19,870 --> 03:23:20,790
Thank you, moving along.

1795
03:23:22,090 --> 03:23:31,390
Thank you, Madam Mayor. The next budget section is capital projects on page 109 of the budget.

1796
03:23:46,630 --> 03:23:51,970
Thank you. Can you walk us through here which of these positions are shift funded?

1797
03:24:07,500 --> 03:24:08,660
Through you, Madam Mayor.

1798
03:24:10,400 --> 03:24:13,100
The CFO got a little mix up.

1799
03:24:14,080 --> 03:24:16,600
CHIF is not funding the employees.

1800
03:24:17,520 --> 03:24:22,320
The housing team is covered through the Housing Accelerator Fund.

1801
03:24:23,380 --> 03:24:30,740
The grant that we received and anything else is going through the wastewater rates.

1802
03:24:31,260 --> 03:24:32,160
The wastewater reserve.

1803
03:24:32,940 --> 03:24:33,200
Thank you.

1804
03:24:33,400 --> 03:24:33,600
Yes.

1805
03:24:39,490 --> 03:24:41,930
Related to the implementation and approval of the charter.

1806
03:24:42,350 --> 03:24:42,470
Correct.

1807
03:24:42,710 --> 03:24:42,790
Yeah.

1808
03:24:43,190 --> 03:24:43,570
Thank you.

1809
03:24:48,760 --> 03:24:49,640
Councillor Santorissa?

1810
03:24:50,120 --> 03:24:55,860
Just to the curiosity, for that line, the first one, 2026-057, the team leader for project

1811
03:24:55,860 --> 03:25:00,380
management, why are we seeing such an overage in that revenue and could that not be reallocated

1812
03:25:00,380 --> 03:25:00,760
elsewhere?

1813
03:25:01,000 --> 03:25:05,580
Like we're looking at an expense of 147 with a revenue offset and then a negative budget

1814
03:25:05,580 --> 03:25:13,980
impact of $29,000. I'm just curious as to how it got overfunded. And if that one in particular

1815
03:25:13,980 --> 03:25:15,820
is half or or wastewater.

1816
03:25:20,290 --> 03:25:27,590
Through you, Madam Mayor, she counsellors Santa Rosa. That $29,000

1817
03:25:28,350 --> 03:25:37,170
is actually covering the vehicle lease that is going to be required for this position.

1818
03:25:39,150 --> 03:25:43,830
So it's going to be funded through our vehicles reserve.

1819
03:25:51,370 --> 03:25:52,190
Further comments?

1820
03:25:54,090 --> 03:25:54,970
Hey, moving on.

1821
03:26:00,200 --> 03:26:01,180
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1822
03:26:02,900 --> 03:26:09,060
I'm sorry, but let's move on to page 113, the drainage budget center.

1823
03:26:09,480 --> 03:26:12,220
We're the change request, our outline for council.

1824
03:26:25,340 --> 03:26:26,860
Moving on to energy management.

1825
03:26:27,460 --> 03:26:28,520
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

1826
03:26:28,520 --> 03:26:36,360
Energy management change request can be found on page 116 and will be available online for our residents to follow shortly.

1827
03:26:49,020 --> 03:26:50,360
Engineering and infrastructure.

1828
03:26:50,960 --> 03:26:58,680
Engineering and infrastructure can be found on page 119 and will be available on screen in just a second.

1829
03:27:00,740 --> 03:27:04,080
Thank you. Can you walk us through 2026-031?

1830
03:27:09,810 --> 03:27:27,930
Yes, Madam Mayor. 031 is the senior lead, a section leader engineering and project risk which is part of the program charter which is again funded through the capital projects to come such as the sanitary connection to the west.

1831
03:27:28,770 --> 03:27:29,670
Thank you.

1832
03:27:31,780 --> 03:27:32,500
Councillor Kerr.

1833
03:27:33,320 --> 03:27:36,320
Another question kind of similar and probably end the same way.

1834
03:27:36,960 --> 03:27:41,720
Some of these jobs on here are our chiff jobs and others.

1835
03:27:42,940 --> 03:27:47,760
Is there money for their training for the chiff fund?

1836
03:27:47,960 --> 03:27:51,960
Now I know understand there's not for the half, but what about the other two fundings?

1837
03:27:52,400 --> 03:27:58,100
Can we do training, like again at the cell phones, the cars, the desk, the rent?

1838
03:27:59,360 --> 03:28:01,240
Or is that all on us?

1839
03:28:01,240 --> 03:28:05,960
We get the employee, but the rest is all on out, so we can't touch because there's a lot

1840
03:28:05,960 --> 03:28:11,580
of money there. There's one's got 30 million, and the other one's got more. So I'm just thinking

1841
03:28:11,580 --> 03:28:15,860
as a taxpayer, why would I pay for the phone when the chip fund is there?

1842
03:28:38,740 --> 03:28:44,380
Through you, Mayor. Related to the Health and Safety Job Specific Training,

1843
03:28:45,140 --> 03:28:54,380
It has been increased to accommodate new staff, also the increased to membership and training

1844
03:28:54,380 --> 03:29:00,020
budget, so those will cover off their certification for the contract time that they're required

1845
03:29:00,020 --> 03:29:02,280
to work with us in our office.

1846
03:29:02,920 --> 03:29:09,000
They'll be required to take training related to job-specific project management, other things

1847
03:29:09,000 --> 03:29:10,840
that would be required to do their job.

1848
03:29:10,840 --> 03:29:16,000
So the concern more is what is the funding source, and is there an opportunity to pull

1849
03:29:16,000 --> 03:29:18,920
those dollars from the same funding source that's funding the position?

1850
03:29:19,980 --> 03:29:20,880
Through you, Mayor.

1851
03:29:21,480 --> 03:29:25,640
The training was not included in the program charter when we brought it to council.

1852
03:29:26,020 --> 03:29:31,020
So some roles were funded out of the water wastewater rates, and some will be funded out

1853
03:29:31,020 --> 03:29:32,740
of capital projects costs.

1854
03:29:33,720 --> 03:29:38,240
So council will see some of that moving forward after this year's budget.

1855
03:29:39,420 --> 03:29:44,200
We didn't include the training or the job certification or the health and safety requirements.

1856
03:29:44,600 --> 03:29:50,580
We would onboard them as a regular employee, but if you wish us, we can probably transfer

1857
03:29:50,580 --> 03:29:54,960
some of those costs associated with that to the source of funding.

1858
03:29:56,220 --> 03:29:59,980
I guess, could I make the motion then that any f***ing...

1859
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:06,860
The funds that could be put back on those bank accounts, you do that.

1860
03:30:15,110 --> 03:30:34,490
Case to the motion is, can we realign the associated employee costs to the original source funder, which in this case would be the housing accelerator fund or the water rates? Or, chef? Or the other one is, no, chef?

1861
03:30:34,490 --> 03:30:42,230
Just to clarify the shift and the provincial grant received does not cover off employee wages.

1862
03:30:42,570 --> 03:30:53,640
So these will be funded out of the capital project costs and be recovered that way through council through the water rates as opposed to the general levy.

1863
03:30:54,980 --> 03:31:06,960
Okay, anything you could go back and make a motion, anything you could go back, you look, somebody pick a look at it because I know it's coming at you fast and it's flying and it's like you always got to hear you got to do there.

1864
03:31:07,420 --> 03:31:12,280
So I don't think you really have a chance to look at the fine print but I guess that would be good.

1865
03:31:13,180 --> 03:31:18,980
We can we can do a review and report back to council as.

1866
03:31:20,080 --> 03:31:28,040
We'll have someone run those numbers through the budget and report back to Council at a later point, so I'll get somebody working on that and we'll see what we could do.

1867
03:31:29,080 --> 03:31:31,120
Okay, if the mayor says, then that's what it's going to be.

1868
03:31:31,580 --> 03:31:36,520
So let's make sure there's a motion first. So to our clerk to read out, Councillor Kers motion.

1869
03:31:39,560 --> 03:31:41,500
Thank you. I made needs of clarification on this.

1870
03:31:42,220 --> 03:31:49,000
But I have direct administration to transfer any associated employment costs that can be allocated to the half grant account.

1871
03:31:51,400 --> 03:31:56,580
I think it can't be, right? So it's the water rates that would end up picking it up.

1872
03:31:57,160 --> 03:32:00,480
Oh, we could say that can be allocated to the half-grant or water rates.

1873
03:32:03,920 --> 03:32:06,220
So moved by Councillor Kerr and seconded by.

1874
03:32:08,950 --> 03:32:11,090
No seconders to save yourself the trouble.

1875
03:32:12,330 --> 03:32:16,770
And we will no longer require that information. Thank you. Councillor Rustin.

1876
03:32:17,930 --> 03:32:22,070
No, I just wanted to say just for clarification maybe for Councillor Kerr and I

1877
03:32:22,070 --> 03:32:27,270
think I'm correct here, whether we take it from the Chiff or half funded or the capital,

1878
03:32:27,570 --> 03:32:32,590
it all goes to the same spot at the end of the day, whether we have an extra $5 in

1879
03:32:32,590 --> 03:32:39,290
Chiff or $5 in capital, it's going to come out of that pot eventually, anyhow when it

1880
03:32:39,290 --> 03:32:41,870
all ends at the end of the day.

1881
03:32:42,110 --> 03:32:46,730
So it doesn't save nothing, it's pay here, pay there, but it's still coming from the

1882
03:32:46,730 --> 03:32:49,450
rate payer for the capital project.

1883
03:32:52,440 --> 03:32:53,720
And Councillor McNamara.

1884
03:32:54,420 --> 03:32:57,780
Just to add on to what Councillor Russen says, because you took the first part of what

1885
03:32:57,780 --> 03:32:58,720
I was actually going to say.

1886
03:32:59,200 --> 03:33:03,920
The second part that worries me a little bit about Councillor Kerr is when we do that, I

1887
03:33:03,920 --> 03:33:07,680
think we're building in a false narrative to the taxpayer that, hey, we reduce the tax rate

1888
03:33:07,680 --> 03:33:11,740
on this budget by this amount, by removing these things around.

1889
03:33:12,280 --> 03:33:16,440
But then next year's capital, when we do have to actually put the shovel in the ground,

1890
03:33:16,440 --> 03:33:23,200
that now is now $2,000 or $4,000 or $8,000 more expensive, so it's not a realistic cost-saving.

1891
03:33:23,380 --> 03:33:27,500
So I think leaving it coming out of our center, we are hiring these staff as our staff, even though

1892
03:33:27,500 --> 03:33:32,360
if it's temporary, I think that's irrelevant, they are our staff, and so their training should come

1893
03:33:32,360 --> 03:33:36,620
out of it. And then the training budget will be reduced in the future when that stuff needs move

1894
03:33:36,620 --> 03:33:36,860
away.

1895
03:33:39,400 --> 03:33:43,680
Thank you. Further comments, questions? Seeing them, we'll move forward.

1896
03:33:44,960 --> 03:33:56,360
Thank you Madam Mayor. Let's move into solid waste, which can be found on page 123 of the budget book.

1897
03:33:59,890 --> 03:34:01,410
This is one of those blank pages, huh?

1898
03:34:02,850 --> 03:34:05,890
No, no. There's a budget about 123.

1899
03:34:07,790 --> 03:34:14,570
It's a $39,000 impact for the garbage rates are offset by what we build.

1900
03:34:14,570 --> 03:34:25,950
So the residents, however, the tonnage that goes into the landfill is borne by the general tax rate, so they impacted the percentage increase on the tonnage is 39,052.

1901
03:34:30,040 --> 03:34:33,180
I don't think there's an opportunity for us to say no thank you.

1902
03:34:35,600 --> 03:34:36,720
Unfortunately, there is not.

1903
03:34:37,660 --> 03:34:39,240
so less of blank page.

1904
03:34:42,400 --> 03:34:48,160
There's unfortunately a lot of things in this budget that not much council can do to

1905
03:34:49,800 --> 03:35:05,340
have service level impacts. Some of these are just escalating costs for the most part. So that being said, we can move to

1906
03:35:09,320 --> 03:35:14,500
I'll defer that one to the executive director of operations.

1907
03:35:14,840 --> 03:35:15,120
Thank you.

1908
03:35:42,780 --> 03:35:43,440
Thank you.

1909
03:35:43,660 --> 03:35:45,080
Through your show by the council.

1910
03:35:45,880 --> 03:35:48,900
Yeah, the request for the new public works operator.

1911
03:35:50,900 --> 03:35:54,820
Originally, this was a request for the,

1912
03:35:56,320 --> 03:35:59,040
try to maintain a level of service with snow plumbing services.

1913
03:35:59,700 --> 03:36:03,820
We have an average of, average route of 34 kilometers

1914
03:36:03,820 --> 03:36:08,600
for each truck, which gets a little trying during a storm.

1915
03:36:09,020 --> 03:36:14,020
You could take a assaulting event, could take you at least four hours to assault your out.

1916
03:36:15,220 --> 03:36:18,360
A snow plowing event could take eight to 12 hours depending on the depth of the snow.

1917
03:36:20,100 --> 03:36:25,480
This new operator, because we have a new truck that was approved by a council in 2023,

1918
03:36:26,400 --> 03:36:27,540
that's currently getting built.

1919
03:36:28,100 --> 03:36:29,860
We'll need a new operator for that route.

1920
03:36:29,860 --> 03:36:34,960
But that will help alleviate the pressure on the trucks in the north end and hopefully

1921
03:36:34,960 --> 03:36:36,720
get out with the guys helping the guys in the county.

1922
03:36:37,880 --> 03:36:46,620
Also hooked to this is a new CLI program with the stormwater maintenance manual.

1923
03:36:47,460 --> 03:36:52,780
A lot of stuff that we've acquired that under the ministry for maintenance of the storm

1924
03:36:52,780 --> 03:36:57,400
sewer, storm pumps, a lot of obligations that we have to maintain and meet.

1925
03:36:57,400 --> 03:37:02,200
So that's the, that's a request for the public groups with an operator.

1926
03:37:02,820 --> 03:37:03,320
Thank you.

1927
03:37:03,860 --> 03:37:04,860
Councillor Restan.

1928
03:37:07,380 --> 03:37:11,320
I understand I read the request in that.

1929
03:37:11,800 --> 03:37:16,080
However, I come back and I have a hard time with the additional us when

1930
03:37:17,180 --> 03:37:24,460
without our levee going up in the sense of we hadn't added much of in terms of levee this year.

1931
03:37:24,460 --> 03:37:39,040
So at this time, I can't support it, I get it, it's a hard load on them, but at the same time we need to start bringing in money to pay for these people and not tackle in the existing taxpayer with these.

1932
03:37:39,540 --> 03:37:48,180
So I would say in the next year or two, as hopefully we get building in that additional levy money's coming in from new builds, then we can fill this.

1933
03:37:48,180 --> 03:37:58,320
So, at this time, I'd like to make a motion to remove 2026-039 from the budget, if I got a second to.

1934
03:37:58,500 --> 03:38:04,540
Thank you, some move, seconded by Deputy Mayor Wallstead, comments, questions.

1935
03:38:06,160 --> 03:38:12,240
Councilor Santorosa, thank you. Through you, Madam Mayor, recognizing we ordered the truck back in 2023.

1936
03:38:12,240 --> 03:38:39,860
when they're their considerations and forgive me for not remembering for a report coming to council to add to that level of service at that time based on our growth rates because for me I see step one is you know you got to put the truck order in now we have a truck and we're not going to have an operator for it. So I don't know if that something that could be looked at seasonally recognizing there are some other components here but was it identified as a growth related need back in 23 when that order was placed.

1937
03:38:47,720 --> 03:38:55,080
Thank you, Mayor Bailey, to Councillor Santorosa. There was not a report that came to

1938
03:38:55,080 --> 03:39:00,800
council as far as a level of service. It was a request to budget, identifying the need,

1939
03:39:01,440 --> 03:39:04,860
but there actually was not a report to the level increase. No.

1940
03:39:06,340 --> 03:39:11,400
Further if I could, but I mean at this point, I think it probably came one with the other right,

1941
03:39:11,560 --> 03:39:16,140
the request for the truck and then knowing that once the truck was available and on site,

1942
03:39:16,140 --> 03:39:19,760
we'd have to have a driver for it. Is that accurate? Or was this more about asset replacement?

1943
03:39:20,740 --> 03:39:24,880
Yes, that was included in the submission for the truck. I've required that.

1944
03:39:26,560 --> 03:39:27,520
Yes, the rest in?

1945
03:39:28,800 --> 03:39:34,500
You said the truck was still being built. Did you not? Or is it on site just for my clarification?

1946
03:39:35,060 --> 03:39:36,760
Do we have the asset in our yard?

1947
03:39:38,220 --> 03:39:43,560
Through you may be able to come to the rest in. It's being built right now, respecting it January.

1948
03:39:47,230 --> 03:40:10,410
No, just with that being said, I think if it's expected January again by the time we get it and get it going, I would still like my motion to go to carry this maybe something next year when we actually have the asset because they say many of things on delivery dates and we know how that leads to so leave it at that. Thank you.

1949
03:40:12,720 --> 03:40:17,520
So, Santa Rosa, just on that, we've done this in previous budgets. I'm wondering if Council

1950
03:40:17,520 --> 03:40:23,780
Rustin would be amenable to taking a look at only a Q4 expense then, because my fear is next

1951
03:40:23,780 --> 03:40:29,600
year, is an election year, so the actual budget will not get approved into 2027. And so we risk

1952
03:40:29,600 --> 03:40:35,440
getting well into a winter season without the availability or the ability as a council

1953
03:40:35,440 --> 03:40:41,520
to see that position be approved. And so my thought is, yes, there's some of the CLI work and some of

1954
03:40:41,520 --> 03:40:45,600
the wastewater or the storm water management pieces that are in here, but recognizing you

1955
03:40:45,600 --> 03:40:50,600
want to see the asset on site, I would love to see at least a Q4 approval and quarter

1956
03:40:50,600 --> 03:40:57,800
that cost for 2026 and then realize the full, you know, the full position in 2027's budget.

1957
03:40:58,280 --> 03:41:01,600
So ready for implementation, winter 202627?

1958
03:41:01,940 --> 03:41:02,180
Correct.

1959
03:41:02,500 --> 03:41:02,860
Thank you.

1960
03:41:03,120 --> 03:41:03,900
Would be my ask.

1961
03:41:07,900 --> 03:41:08,340
Yeah.

1962
03:41:08,360 --> 03:41:09,200
I'm okay with that.

1963
03:41:09,680 --> 03:41:14,080
We bring it as a Q4 expense and it's only a quarter of the year that you bring them on for

1964
03:41:14,080 --> 03:41:15,300
next one, or I'm okay with that.

1965
03:41:16,020 --> 03:41:16,700
Thank you.

1966
03:41:17,840 --> 03:41:20,660
Advise us of what this number change will be,

1967
03:41:20,800 --> 03:41:22,420
so it's 9-8905 currently.

1968
03:41:22,620 --> 03:41:26,000
Can you stagger that for an implementation later?

1969
03:41:26,660 --> 03:41:29,500
Councillor McNamara, is your comment on this?

1970
03:41:31,120 --> 03:41:32,340
Councillor Curri yours is.

1971
03:41:33,220 --> 03:41:33,300
Yeah.

1972
03:41:33,660 --> 03:41:36,240
I just want to make sure I'm following about the ball again.

1973
03:41:36,860 --> 03:41:41,140
We have a snowplow destined for January,

1974
03:41:41,700 --> 03:41:42,680
like in four weeks.

1975
03:41:42,680 --> 03:41:44,940
and we don't have a driver assigned to it.

1976
03:41:45,040 --> 03:41:46,400
We don't have a driver hired for it.

1977
03:41:47,120 --> 03:41:50,100
When I was in 1977, we had a three-foot snow thing

1978
03:41:50,100 --> 03:41:51,540
in February of that year.

1979
03:41:51,940 --> 03:41:54,420
So we could have a snow plow without a driver

1980
03:41:54,960 --> 03:41:57,380
sitting in our yard waiting till next December

1981
03:41:57,380 --> 03:41:58,360
till we hire a person.

1982
03:41:58,580 --> 03:41:59,640
Is that what we're voting on?

1983
03:42:04,210 --> 03:42:07,070
Three may be able to Bailey to Councillor Kerr.

1984
03:42:08,610 --> 03:42:11,830
We do have backup drivers, the parks department

1985
03:42:11,830 --> 03:42:13,530
and waterworks does backup.

1986
03:42:13,530 --> 03:42:20,370
up, so the probability of its sitting is not likely, but the ideal position would be

1987
03:42:20,370 --> 03:42:21,630
having somebody assigned to that truck.

1988
03:42:24,230 --> 03:42:24,690
Thank you.

1989
03:42:25,870 --> 03:42:26,870
Councillor Neckner-Meier.

1990
03:42:27,610 --> 03:42:34,730
I do actually have one for that, for your comment you just made there.

1991
03:42:34,910 --> 03:42:38,710
Our backup drivers in my understanding are there for give us flexibility when we do get

1992
03:42:38,710 --> 03:42:43,190
into extended storm events, and we have a lot of excess overtime there to make up that

1993
03:42:43,190 --> 03:42:43,550
slack.

1994
03:42:43,550 --> 03:42:49,290
So if we're relying on them to do a primary route, how does that affect your ability in an extended storm event?

1995
03:42:52,570 --> 03:42:56,250
To be met, Mayor, to Councilor McMory, it's not ideal.

1996
03:42:56,930 --> 03:43:05,770
The water and parks have their own pressures, so backing up for public works is, again, you know, not an ideal situation for them.

1997
03:43:07,110 --> 03:43:14,690
Generally, the backup has provided, that has provided has been worked really well.

1998
03:43:14,690 --> 03:43:19,030
but it still does mean it's other works not getting done, right?

1999
03:43:20,210 --> 03:43:25,470
Thank you. So I believe the motion is removing $73,000.

2000
03:43:27,910 --> 03:43:29,690
$74,178.75.

2001
03:43:31,010 --> 03:43:33,030
Did you capture that or would you like to do that?

2002
03:43:33,410 --> 03:43:35,830
$74,178.75.

2003
03:43:37,470 --> 03:43:43,810
Thank you. So we're removing $74,178.75 and rolling this out in.

2004
03:43:45,050 --> 03:43:45,530
Q4.

2005
03:43:49,060 --> 03:43:49,940
Did we get a second there?

2006
03:43:50,680 --> 03:43:51,320
Deputy Mayor.

2007
03:43:51,760 --> 03:43:52,100
Thank you.

2008
03:43:52,640 --> 03:43:53,200
Further comments?

2009
03:43:53,600 --> 03:43:54,240
Councillor Vogler.

2010
03:43:55,620 --> 03:43:55,940
Thank you.

2011
03:43:55,980 --> 03:43:58,880
I just have a question because we're focusing on driving a truck.

2012
03:44:00,280 --> 03:44:03,480
And we haven't really added that many more kilometers of roads.

2013
03:44:03,620 --> 03:44:04,780
But anyway, I'm not bogged down in that.

2014
03:44:05,060 --> 03:44:07,460
What I'm bogged down is the second half of the position.

2015
03:44:07,980 --> 03:44:11,260
The sore water management system and ensuring that somebody is properly trained.

2016
03:44:11,520 --> 03:44:15,520
So what we're taking this away, we're pushing it to Q4.

2017
03:44:15,520 --> 03:44:19,000
So we don't have someone dealing with that storm water management piece until cute.

2018
03:44:19,120 --> 03:44:22,540
So again, we're getting stuck on the snow and the winter and all of that, but it looks

2019
03:44:22,540 --> 03:44:27,660
like this position is much broader than simply dealing with snow plowing, et cetera.

2020
03:44:28,180 --> 03:44:30,500
Can you speak to the, I guess, how that's weighted?

2021
03:44:31,280 --> 03:44:35,580
You know, when we eliminate this person, how much is that impacting that piece of the position?

2022
03:44:37,830 --> 03:44:38,470
Through you, Mayor.

2023
03:44:40,350 --> 03:44:47,790
Council will see early next year, likely required compliance requirements for CLI.

2024
03:44:48,550 --> 03:44:55,650
This year you'll see some of the costs associated with a lot of that work, line item 2026-038.

2025
03:44:55,650 --> 03:44:59,870
We have the Ministry of Requirements.

2026
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:28,400
And now to meet on camera and flushing all of our sewer systems within a five-year period over and over every five years, including our storm water management facility cleaning. You would have seen come up recently. So these are getting implemented. And as part of that, you'll see a formal manual on what's required every year. What's what the province is heading towards is similar to water and sanitary.

2027
03:45:29,740 --> 03:45:35,620
operators who are certified to also operate storm water management systems, which we haven't

2028
03:45:35,620 --> 03:45:41,160
really seen in the past. So this is to try to get ahead of that. The province has not come

2029
03:45:41,160 --> 03:45:47,500
out yet with the training program requirements. I believe we are going to see them shortly, probably

2030
03:45:47,500 --> 03:45:54,220
within the next year. But we do have to do the work. Inspections, logging, a whole bunch of certain

2031
03:45:54,220 --> 03:46:00,300
things. What will happen with that is that will fall on engineering. The engineering group

2032
03:46:00,300 --> 03:46:06,280
and probably likely impact the level of service in certain areas if we do not have the staff,

2033
03:46:06,520 --> 03:46:08,340
proper staff in the operations departments.

2034
03:46:10,830 --> 03:46:12,330
Thank you. On the motion.

2035
03:46:47,840 --> 03:46:48,140
Councilor

2036
03:46:48,140 --> 03:46:48,980
Vogler, one more time.

2037
03:46:58,070 --> 03:46:58,830
May I capture your vote?

2038
03:47:03,560 --> 03:47:05,140
Support. Thank you.

2039
03:47:07,760 --> 03:47:08,440
Okay, that's carried

2040
03:47:08,440 --> 03:47:11,980
8-6-2-2 opposed councilor McNamara, councilor Kerr.

2041
03:47:21,220 --> 03:47:25,800
So we added 25, we took away 25 in community grants,

2042
03:47:25,920 --> 03:47:32,400
we added 22 in animal control, we've removed 74, 7-178-75.

2043
03:47:32,640 --> 03:47:33,140
Do we have a number?

2044
03:47:33,880 --> 03:47:34,600
3.72.

2045
03:47:35,340 --> 03:47:35,920
Thank you.

2046
03:47:42,600 --> 03:47:44,760
Councilor McNamara, then councilor Senator Roser?

2047
03:47:45,340 --> 03:47:46,900
Yeah, it wasn't actually a question for administration.

2048
03:47:47,180 --> 03:47:52,180
I just wanted to make a statement on item 2026-038.

2049
03:47:53,140 --> 03:47:56,620
for the public's understanding of what that $200,000 is.

2050
03:47:57,260 --> 03:48:18,320
I know our director of operation spoke to it, and if you watched our last council meeting when, or sorry, not the last to go back a couple when our CFO tabled the budget, was spoke to it is this is basically downloading of responsibilities from the province to the municipalities, which is not funded by the province is going to be funded by the levy.

2051
03:48:18,320 --> 03:48:21,520
And so we don't have an opportunity to say yes or no to this.

2052
03:48:21,640 --> 03:48:22,840
This is just thrust upon us.

2053
03:48:23,200 --> 03:48:28,840
And we're also, as our executive director Cable just mentioned,

2054
03:48:29,160 --> 03:48:30,820
we don't even know how we're implementing it yet

2055
03:48:30,820 --> 03:48:32,380
because there are no guidelines around it.

2056
03:48:32,920 --> 03:48:34,320
So I just wanted to make sure the people know

2057
03:48:34,320 --> 03:48:38,800
that this is not a service level increase that we requested.

2058
03:48:39,040 --> 03:48:40,340
This has just been thrust upon us.

2059
03:48:40,980 --> 03:48:41,600
Thank you.

2060
03:48:41,900 --> 03:48:43,100
Moving into roads in fleet.

2061
03:48:59,700 --> 03:49:07,560
Okay, so let's move into water, which can be found on page 132 and 133.

2062
03:49:08,820 --> 03:49:09,660
Thank you

2063
03:49:27,100 --> 03:49:30,460
comments, questions in water, Councillor

2064
03:49:38,270 --> 03:49:38,750
Reston.

2065
03:49:40,010 --> 03:49:51,350
Just for my knowledge, employees under this category of water, are they funded from the

2066
03:49:51,350 --> 03:49:52,730
water rates. Same with wastewater.

2067
03:49:55,960 --> 03:49:59,680
Just further to that I'm assuming and I know that's not a good

2068
03:49:59,680 --> 03:50:05,500
thing to do. Some of these positions are going to reflect some more of the testing and stuff

2069
03:50:05,500 --> 03:50:11,840
that's going to fall back on us or is this an existing shortfall because we haven't expanded anything

2070
03:50:12,520 --> 03:50:15,280
in terms of water. Were the positions asked here?

2071
03:50:18,650 --> 03:50:19,910
Through the Mayor and Councillor Rustin,

2072
03:50:21,050 --> 03:50:25,550
these positions are a shortfall at this time. The water treatment operator position

2073
03:50:25,990 --> 03:50:36,310
has been deferred over the last couple of budgets, but we have due to vacation times,

2074
03:50:36,510 --> 03:50:37,850
sick time, and different areas.

2075
03:50:37,850 --> 03:50:41,790
We need that extra body to be able to operate the waste water treatment facilities.

2076
03:50:42,510 --> 03:50:48,730
And with the team leader, the supervisor role of water distribution that we're looking

2077
03:50:48,730 --> 03:50:49,830
at adding, right?

2078
03:50:49,830 --> 03:50:56,590
Right now we have a vacancy in our team lead of water roll that has been vacant since June

2079
03:50:56,900 --> 03:51:04,710
and we have been unable to find the operators or an employee with the proper certifications

2080
03:51:04,710 --> 03:51:06,490
and experience to fill that role.

2081
03:51:07,730 --> 03:51:13,890
So that's through our own recruitment as well as the external logic group.

2082
03:51:13,890 --> 03:51:20,130
So, we've been unable to find an individual that has those qualifications with the Ministry

2083
03:51:20,130 --> 03:51:23,090
requirements right now with certifications.

2084
03:51:23,510 --> 03:51:30,890
It's harder for operators to gain multiple certifications and for our teams, it would

2085
03:51:30,890 --> 03:51:35,330
be beneficial to be able to add a supervisor for both the treatment, which is the current

2086
03:51:35,330 --> 03:51:39,090
position and then add the distribution and collection pieces and other supervisor to be able

2087
03:51:39,090 --> 03:51:44,470
to be able to oversee those job duties as assigned to them.

2088
03:51:45,310 --> 03:51:49,330
So with that job position that is open right now,

2089
03:51:49,750 --> 03:51:51,470
it's still open, I imagine right now,

2090
03:51:51,870 --> 03:51:53,770
is one of these a converted role,

2091
03:51:54,070 --> 03:51:57,210
or how does that work, if we needed an,

2092
03:51:57,330 --> 03:52:00,010
and part of, I don't know the qualifications,

2093
03:52:00,090 --> 03:52:01,690
so that's why I'm asking,

2094
03:52:01,850 --> 03:52:03,930
because we want two roles here,

2095
03:52:04,430 --> 03:52:06,070
and that's fine if we need them,

2096
03:52:06,070 --> 03:52:07,730
but if we have an existing one,

2097
03:52:07,730 --> 03:52:10,330
Are we going to have challenges filling these to begin with?

2098
03:52:11,490 --> 03:52:14,310
Through the Mayor to Councilor Rustin, this is an additional position.

2099
03:52:14,570 --> 03:52:18,490
So the original position we are making right now is a supervisor of water,

2100
03:52:19,030 --> 03:52:22,450
but that oversees both treatment distribution. That's the position we can't fill.

2101
03:52:22,770 --> 03:52:26,150
So what we're looking at is removing the distribution portion from that original position

2102
03:52:26,150 --> 03:52:29,390
and adding a supervisor of distribution and collection position.

2103
03:52:33,630 --> 03:52:40,530
Thank you. Can you speak to the total increase overall for the water rates in

2104
03:52:40,530 --> 03:52:44,710
In 2026 budget, the percentage increase.

2105
03:52:52,980 --> 03:52:58,400
So the rates are increased based off the water and wastewater rate study, which we're

2106
03:52:58,400 --> 03:52:59,740
completing a new one right now.

2107
03:52:59,920 --> 03:53:08,700
But the last rate study, looking at our forecast in capital, dictated a 4% increase for water

2108
03:53:08,700 --> 03:53:09,020
rates.

2109
03:53:09,180 --> 03:53:10,520
So that is what you'll see here.

2110
03:53:11,300 --> 03:53:16,280
And then on the wastewater side, that study also dictated a 9% increase for wastewater.

2111
03:53:16,280 --> 03:53:21,700
water. Now those studies were based off of the capital plans at the time, but need to be updated

2112
03:53:21,700 --> 03:53:27,840
for our water and wastewater master plan, which is significantly higher. But at this point in time,

2113
03:53:27,980 --> 03:53:33,160
the rates are being based off the last rate study, so 4% for water, 9% for water.

2114
03:53:33,800 --> 03:53:40,700
Thank you. Can you, I think, that the budget bucks are a compressed version, but can you outline for

2115
03:53:40,700 --> 03:53:47,440
me where that means that we will sit at the end or coming into 2026 in terms of our positioning

2116
03:53:47,980 --> 03:53:52,960
locally. Recognizing that our water systems are different, but recognizing that we're probably

2117
03:53:52,960 --> 03:53:54,340
in the middle of the pack now.

2118
03:53:56,570 --> 03:54:00,290
Certainly, Jessica's pulling up that. We did have it in the budget

2119
03:54:00,290 --> 03:54:08,290
presentation. Thank you. In the region, we do sit in the middle when it comes to water and waste water

2120
03:54:08,290 --> 03:54:13,330
rates. I just I'll confirm the position and I'll just need a second for that.

2121
03:54:13,570 --> 03:54:14,750
Thank you. Thank

2122
03:55:18,680 --> 03:55:21,940
you. Sorry, I just took a second there. For water we actually we have the highest

2123
03:55:21,940 --> 03:55:25,000
in the region and then for wastewater we sit at fifth in the region.

2124
03:55:31,110 --> 03:55:34,490
I will add that our geographic

2125
03:55:34,490 --> 03:55:40,210
structure and the fact that we run our own water distribution would dictate that we would be the

2126
03:55:40,210 --> 03:55:47,130
highest in the region. Only Amosberg and Lakeshore run their own distribution as a municipality

2127
03:55:47,130 --> 03:55:54,230
on to itself. To come see in La Salle, share water costs with the city. Union water supplies

2128
03:55:54,230 --> 03:55:59,530
Kingsville and Lake Shore. Well, it actually supplies part of Lake Shore, yes, but primarily

2129
03:55:59,530 --> 03:56:04,610
Kingsville and Leamington are supplied by Union water. So we are the only municipality that

2130
03:56:04,610 --> 03:56:08,950
has the fund, its own water rates and water distribution plants.

2131
03:56:09,830 --> 03:56:15,790
Thank you. Does the study, did the previous study and does the study that we're conducting

2132
03:56:15,790 --> 03:56:22,650
Now include the creation of efficiencies like do they complete an audit of our water systems

2133
03:56:22,650 --> 03:56:29,210
and I know some of the things are similar and like opportunities so as we roll out similar

2134
03:56:30,130 --> 03:56:35,370
systems it's easier in and create some efficiencies but does the study itself look to create

2135
03:56:35,370 --> 03:56:38,730
efficiency and drive down the costs of what it costs to operate.

2136
03:56:42,260 --> 03:56:43,080
Executive Director.

2137
03:56:43,080 --> 03:56:49,520
Through you, Mayor. Council did fund a level of service review for both water waste water.

2138
03:56:50,420 --> 03:56:57,080
I don't think that that rate study will quantify that or deal with that, but I think, you know,

2139
03:56:57,280 --> 03:57:01,880
not going to lie, it's been challenging without a supervisor to even get some of the work out the door

2140
03:57:01,880 --> 03:57:06,880
on the water side related to things that aren't mandatory, which is the level service review.

2141
03:57:07,500 --> 03:57:17,000
And I also wanted to comment just to add to what Jay's manager, Barlow, was saying related to the team leader role and splitting it.

2142
03:57:17,160 --> 03:57:21,740
Like, I think the problem with filling these roles is the compliance issue.

2143
03:57:21,740 --> 03:57:29,620
So, this role, currently the way it sits as one supervisor, is required to fill an overall

2144
03:57:29,620 --> 03:57:36,460
responsible operator position in both treatment and distribution and also waste water conveyance

2145
03:57:36,460 --> 03:57:36,740
now.

2146
03:57:37,640 --> 03:57:43,520
So, finding somebody who has all those qualifications and certifications is actually almost impossible.

2147
03:57:44,060 --> 03:57:49,440
There is some people out there but they're very hard to find and training them really leaves

2148
03:57:49,440 --> 03:57:54,320
the gap to those roles and responsibilities falls on other staff that are certified

2149
03:57:54,320 --> 03:58:00,880
and qualified. And it's a 24-hour position, seven days a week, to be the responsible

2150
03:58:00,880 --> 03:58:07,420
operator on call, able to answer questions and supporting operation staff whenever there's

2151
03:58:07,420 --> 03:58:13,280
an issue on site. So what ends up happening when those roles are not filled, is it falls

2152
03:58:13,280 --> 03:58:21,480
on the management role and in line with the amount of work and volume of management responsibilities

2153
03:58:21,480 --> 03:58:22,660
it becomes problematic.

2154
03:58:23,700 --> 03:58:25,520
So I just wanted to put that out there.

2155
03:58:26,020 --> 03:58:26,140
Thank you.

2156
03:58:27,140 --> 03:58:27,740
Thank you.

2157
03:58:27,920 --> 03:58:28,280
Further comments?

2158
03:58:28,500 --> 03:58:28,820
Questions?

2159
03:58:29,720 --> 03:58:30,060
Seeing none?

2160
03:58:30,340 --> 03:58:30,900
Moving forward.

2161
03:58:32,420 --> 03:58:33,500
Thank you Madam Mayor.

2162
03:58:33,800 --> 03:58:39,720
Let's move in to, I believe actually the last operating budget center, the wastewater budget

2163
03:58:39,720 --> 03:58:42,100
center which can be found on page 134.

2164
03:58:56,370 --> 03:59:12,310
I just had a question here. I think it was a misprint in the book, but on item 2026-094 and 2026-095, the Act

2165
03:59:12,310 --> 03:59:21,530
these IAM maintenance program shows on both and I was just wondering on that because it shows up

2166
03:59:21,910 --> 03:59:25,890
in the 3.5 and the 114 and I was wondering why.

2167
03:59:28,940 --> 03:59:30,580
Through the Mayor to Councilor Reston I believe

2168
03:59:31,160 --> 03:59:38,040
that is because the change request description for 094 is what Council approved

2169
03:59:38,040 --> 03:59:45,460
from the report from last year, and the act design was already budgeted for last

2170
03:59:45,460 --> 03:59:55,060
year's edition. And if you look at the act design in the Aqua O&M and maintenance,

2171
03:59:55,460 --> 03:59:59,240
that is for a second application, if the first application doesn't take.

2172
04:00:01,010 --> 04:00:07,110
No, I appreciate that. It just referenced the same time we approved, and I'm sure not. Thank you.

2173
04:00:10,280 --> 04:00:30,800
Mr. Le McNamara. Just a comment, again, for anybody, any residents that are watching at home on item 2026-094. Obviously, everybody looks at a $3.5 million expenditure, and it's pretty eye-watering at this point in time. And I want everybody watching at home to understand that that's $3.5 million is the cost of doing nothing.

2174
04:00:31,640 --> 04:00:40,700
So this was originally brought up in the 2012, sorry, yes, 2012 Eastern Communities Wastewater

2175
04:00:40,700 --> 04:00:44,320
study, and it was punted down the road and punted down the road.

2176
04:00:44,440 --> 04:00:49,280
If we would have addressed the issue back then, we wouldn't be sinking $3.5 million in cost

2177
04:00:49,280 --> 04:00:49,980
today.

2178
04:00:50,420 --> 04:00:53,800
That still doesn't get us to a solution to fixing the problem in the future.

2179
04:00:54,360 --> 04:00:55,720
So that's all I wanted to say.

2180
04:01:00,560 --> 04:01:01,080
Thank you.

2181
04:01:01,300 --> 04:01:02,100
Moving into capital.

2182
04:01:07,240 --> 04:01:15,940
Thank you, Madame Mayor. The capital budget begins on page 142 of your budget book, and I would

2183
04:01:17,460 --> 04:01:22,960
Everybody got really excited here. I know it's everyone's favorite part of the budget.

2184
04:01:23,200 --> 04:01:32,680
Thank you. Please, if you could, remember to reference the project number and code,

2185
04:01:32,680 --> 04:01:39,160
And then for our managers and attendants who are here to assist council with this, please

2186
04:01:39,820 --> 04:01:41,520
be on the ready to answer questions.

2187
04:01:42,020 --> 04:01:42,360
Thank you.

2188
04:01:42,520 --> 04:01:43,920
So I'm going to kick us off.

2189
04:01:44,160 --> 04:01:45,280
I know I see lots of hands.

2190
04:01:46,060 --> 04:01:50,200
I'm going to kick us off because I don't have a number that I can reference off to the side

2191
04:01:50,200 --> 04:01:54,000
and I thought that maybe going first would be a good idea so that I don't confuse it.

2192
04:01:54,780 --> 04:01:59,980
But we have such an amazing opportunity that I know I've spoke with the Executive Director

2193
04:01:59,980 --> 04:02:07,300
about in also finance and some members of council and advance, but the EC way 100 that

2194
04:02:07,300 --> 04:02:15,540
is very much a 161 kilometer cycling trail that happens through all of our region, 27

2195
04:02:15,540 --> 04:02:23,820
percent of that amazing trail is in Lakeshore. Also, unfortunately, 1.8 kilometers of the 161

2196
04:02:23,820 --> 04:02:29,100
1 kilometers where there are deficits and low comfort in terms of writing are also in lakeshore.

2197
04:02:29,800 --> 04:02:34,020
So I was disappointed to learn that it was our municipality that had the biggest gap.

2198
04:02:34,960 --> 04:02:38,320
And 1.8 kilometers didn't seem to be too big a gap.

2199
04:02:38,520 --> 04:02:46,340
So as we were moving through yesterday at county budget, I asked the county to support the spend

2200
04:02:46,340 --> 04:02:53,260
And from the seawats resources that we have there, which becomes, I believe, a 60-40 split

2201
04:02:53,260 --> 04:02:54,060
with the municipality.

2202
04:02:54,400 --> 04:03:00,080
It passed at county, so thank goodness the region saw a value in our 27% worth of trails

2203
04:03:00,080 --> 04:03:05,960
here in Lake Shore, and they had a $58 million reserve of which they could pull their share

2204
04:03:05,960 --> 04:03:06,160
from.

2205
04:03:06,620 --> 04:03:12,740
I understand that our share is somewhere around $300,000, and we also have a reserve that's

2206
04:03:12,740 --> 04:03:17,040
sitting somewhere around 800,000 so we don't have the reserves that the county has to

2207
04:03:17,040 --> 04:03:21,500
pull from but we certainly do have some so there'll be no impact to the levee.

2208
04:03:21,760 --> 04:03:26,120
What it means is at the end of the day when we implement this work we will have completed

2209
04:03:26,120 --> 04:03:32,820
as a region 161 kilometers of biking facility that goes through the entire region and you

2210
04:03:32,820 --> 04:03:35,600
can cross the border and ride that one 61.

2211
04:03:36,100 --> 04:03:41,800
So anyone looking to do that bike ride you have all winter to get in shape but the bike

2212
04:03:41,800 --> 04:03:46,480
is ready to go and I invite you to come along. We don't have to do it all, but we can certainly do

2213
04:03:46,480 --> 04:03:54,240
the Lakeshore portion of that, which is 27 percent. Yeah, Councillor Russell will join me on the 1.8

2214
04:03:54,240 --> 04:04:00,260
kilometers. So I know that you have a number and also a reserve and so I'd like to defer to URCFO

2215
04:04:00,260 --> 04:04:04,620
for where those dollars would come from and what I'm asking for in terms of resources.

2216
04:04:06,960 --> 04:04:12,660
This will also come with some other asks that I'll be asking the county for the EC way 100

2217
04:04:12,660 --> 04:04:16,380
it doesn't have signage, and it would make really great sense that there would be signage

2218
04:04:16,380 --> 04:04:18,440
so that folks would know that you're on the right trail.

2219
04:04:18,680 --> 04:04:24,260
When it's connecting county roads and pay shoulder programs throughout all of the municipalities,

2220
04:04:24,960 --> 04:04:26,860
so I'll be tabling that shortly at the county.

2221
04:04:26,940 --> 04:04:33,280
The other thing that I will be tabling at the county is the removal of Siwats signage, where

2222
04:04:33,280 --> 04:04:34,040
it doesn't make sense.

2223
04:04:34,400 --> 04:04:38,560
So Siwats, although we could boast, has some really great access ways.

2224
04:04:38,820 --> 04:04:41,280
There's ways that are not safe or comfortable to travel.

2225
04:04:41,800 --> 04:04:44,240
and some of them haven't been looked at in a long time.

2226
04:04:44,500 --> 04:04:48,500
So one of the roads being Gracie's side road and our municipality,

2227
04:04:48,700 --> 04:04:50,940
12 foot ditches on both sides, gravel road.

2228
04:04:51,920 --> 04:04:54,160
It's directing you as a seawatch trail,

2229
04:04:54,280 --> 04:04:56,180
which tells me as a biker it must be safe.

2230
04:04:56,600 --> 04:05:00,080
When I get there and not only don't have the right tire on my bike,

2231
04:05:00,260 --> 04:05:01,160
you don't have a fat tire.

2232
04:05:01,580 --> 04:05:04,580
You will blow both tires and land in the 12 foot ditch

2233
04:05:04,580 --> 04:05:06,080
and have to ride in the middle of the road.

2234
04:05:06,260 --> 04:05:10,380
So I'm going to be asking for them to also remove the seawatch

2235
04:05:10,380 --> 04:05:15,580
sections that don't make sense anymore in our plan and I think our executive director

2236
04:05:15,580 --> 04:05:23,020
Kabul sits as our seawats liaison. So I will be putting a lot of that probably on her shoulders.

2237
04:05:24,380 --> 04:05:28,780
And so I'll circle back and see if you've managed the funder and then I'll come over.

2238
04:05:29,420 --> 04:05:36,820
Certainly Madam Mayor, the request would be to add the missing link of 1.8 kilometers to the seawats

2239
04:05:36,820 --> 04:05:44,040
trail at a total cost of $360,000 to be funded from the Trails New Reserve.

2240
04:05:45,080 --> 04:05:45,980
Trails New?

2241
04:05:46,320 --> 04:05:46,700
Correct.

2242
04:05:47,480 --> 04:05:50,520
And is there a reference in our book already?

2243
04:05:51,020 --> 04:05:53,160
No, this is a brand new account.

2244
04:05:53,360 --> 04:05:53,540
That's right.

2245
04:05:54,640 --> 04:05:54,820
Correct.

2246
04:05:57,390 --> 04:06:00,690
$360,000 to come from the Trails New Reserve.

2247
04:06:01,970 --> 04:06:02,850
Thank you.

2248
04:06:03,570 --> 04:06:04,310
Deputy Mayor.

2249
04:06:06,920 --> 04:06:07,980
Thank you, Madam Mayor.

2250
04:06:07,980 --> 04:06:12,980
Yes, it was nice to see all of county council except for one individual supporting this support it yesterday

2251
04:06:13,540 --> 04:06:19,540
So I seconded the motion and thank you for raising it Madame mayor

2252
04:06:21,080 --> 04:06:25,120
That's one other thing I was going to say with respect to it. Yeah, I think it's nice that we get it done finally

2253
04:06:25,120 --> 04:06:30,520
So like it's important to people. I'm not a big bike rider. I just didn't have a motor on it

2254
04:06:31,440 --> 04:06:32,640
And what's I do but

2255
04:06:33,480 --> 04:06:37,100
But yeah, I think it's just get it let's get it done and get it and get it completed

2256
04:06:37,100 --> 04:06:42,700
I think that's the main thing, and we have the money in the reserve, so if you're making the motion, Madam Mayor, I'll second it.

2257
04:06:44,100 --> 04:06:46,140
Thank you, thank you very much for seconding it.

2258
04:06:46,840 --> 04:06:52,360
I do know that my daughters and I did ride our bike to your house, along some very uncomfortable pathways.

2259
04:06:53,000 --> 04:06:59,440
And so it would have been nice to be directed to the sections of the EC way that are safe and comfortable.

2260
04:07:01,800 --> 04:07:04,380
Yes, those work the signage, but we could try that.

2261
04:07:06,040 --> 04:07:07,040
That'll be extra.

2262
04:07:09,500 --> 04:07:09,980
Yeah.

2263
04:07:10,280 --> 04:07:11,000
Send second thought.

2264
04:07:12,100 --> 04:07:14,660
However, as a region boy, it's been quiet, right?

2265
04:07:14,840 --> 04:07:20,480
Because we do amazing work behind the scenes, all of the municipalities that have been paving their shoulders and doing other things.

2266
04:07:20,620 --> 04:07:28,040
There's a ton of other benefits in terms of paved shoulders as it relates to the lifespan of the roadway as well.

2267
04:07:28,040 --> 04:07:34,560
but there's at this point 161 kilometers and I don't know that anyone's been boasting about it or

2268
04:07:34,560 --> 04:07:39,580
knows about it, but we've been quietly chipping along and we now have this amazing road in our

2269
04:07:39,580 --> 04:07:45,660
community that you know 27% of which is in Lake Shore. So it was nice to see the county support to

2270
04:07:45,660 --> 04:07:51,100
sort of jump the line as well to make sure that we can create these connections. So on the motion,

2271
04:07:51,260 --> 04:07:53,960
I hope I have your support today after all that talk.

2272
04:07:56,960 --> 04:07:58,900
You want to speak to this first? I'm sorry,

2273
04:07:58,900 --> 04:08:10,720
I just have a finance question. Not that I can't, it could easily be paid because we started off with 479,000. But there is a contribution of 361,900.

2274
04:08:11,320 --> 04:08:14,260
Where is that coming from?

2275
04:08:15,560 --> 04:08:18,380
comes from the tax rate. Okay. Thank you.

2276
04:08:43,880 --> 04:08:44,740
How about this?

2277
04:08:50,760 --> 04:08:52,760
You can just tell the clerk if you'd like.

2278
04:09:09,880 --> 04:09:12,100
I'm going in favor.

2279
04:09:16,200 --> 04:09:20,110
Thank you very much. That's carried eight zero.

2280
04:09:20,490 --> 04:09:22,010
Can you move into Councilor Reston?

2281
04:09:23,990 --> 04:09:32,790
Yeah, I was going to start off and I guess I'll ask the manager, Mr. Simmons here,

2282
04:09:33,790 --> 04:09:38,090
assignments, sorry, with the ice resurface and replacement.

2283
04:09:38,410 --> 04:09:46,670
I know we just replaced one of the ice resurfacer's, I believe it was two budgets ago or one

2284
04:09:46,670 --> 04:09:51,550
budget ago, I can't remember right now, but it was just recently, is this an item that we

2285
04:09:51,550 --> 04:09:59,490
could put off for one more year, or that it wouldn't affect the services at the Atlas

2286
04:09:59,490 --> 04:10:00,130
Tube right now.

2287
04:10:00,650 --> 04:10:01,130
Thank you.

2288
04:10:01,170 --> 04:10:06,210
We're on page 142, ATRC 2666790 at the top of the page.

2289
04:10:07,110 --> 04:10:08,170
What the mayor said.

2290
04:10:09,710 --> 04:10:10,530
I'm sure you can do it.

2291
04:10:13,040 --> 04:10:14,900
Thank you, through you, Mayor, to Councillor Rustin.

2292
04:10:16,320 --> 04:10:17,900
Sorry, I was hiding the weeds back there.

2293
04:10:19,360 --> 04:10:23,820
Yes, we can push this to next year, next budget cycle if we have to.

2294
04:10:25,140 --> 04:10:40,880
With that being said, I'd like to make a motion that we eliminate that and in a correspondant move eliminate the 220 that we were going to put into the vehicles and equipment reserves correspond into that.

2295
04:10:42,380 --> 04:10:42,980
Thank you.

2296
04:10:43,140 --> 04:10:43,960
Some move second to buy.

2297
04:10:45,160 --> 04:10:46,280
If you may, I will stand.

2298
04:10:48,360 --> 04:10:50,820
Comments, questions on 6790.

2299
04:10:51,600 --> 04:10:52,360
Councillor McNamara.

2300
04:10:52,900 --> 04:10:57,460
It's just a question on the average age of all of our I.C.

2301
04:10:57,500 --> 04:11:09,660
Researchers and I want to make sure that when we bring this forward, we're keeping a consistent gap between them so that we get to the point where we're only renewing this once every three, four, five years, whatever their lifespan is so that we're not stacking.

2302
04:11:13,460 --> 04:11:18,400
recommended industry practice is to replace them every 12 years.

2303
04:11:20,460 --> 04:11:30,500
That being said, we have excellent facility staff right now that can maintain our equipment pretty good. I would I'm hoping to go every five years per machine.

2304
04:11:30,860 --> 04:11:33,140
So if that answers your question.

2305
04:11:34,580 --> 04:11:53,600
Yeah, what I'm looking for is then, as we come in like for next year's budget, present what the age of the other equipment is so that we understand there is going to be now consistent for five or six year gap between all of these requests through you may or to Councillor McNamara right now.

2306
04:11:54,560 --> 04:12:00,640
Our most recent purchase is a 2025 and our last purchase was in 2020.

2307
04:12:00,640 --> 04:12:01,180
I

2308
04:12:10,140 --> 04:12:12,760
just want to make sure I understand Council's intention here.

2309
04:12:13,040 --> 04:12:18,080
The intention is to remove the capital request and remove the reserve funding.

2310
04:12:19,020 --> 04:12:24,060
I will draw Council's attention to the vehicle and equipment reserve forecast, which states

2311
04:12:24,060 --> 04:12:28,120
that it is already negative 324,000 at the end of this year.

2312
04:12:28,360 --> 04:12:36,960
So we would be increasing that by 220,000 that is a reserve that is, let's say it's long-term

2313
04:12:36,960 --> 04:12:38,440
sustainability is problematic.

2314
04:12:39,140 --> 04:12:40,100
That's the rest in.

2315
04:12:41,180 --> 04:12:46,540
We would have been, it will be technically a wash on the percentage, though, is what

2316
04:12:46,540 --> 04:12:52,480
I'm getting at, because if I don't buy the Zamboni or the Olympia or whatever it is,

2317
04:12:53,040 --> 04:12:57,400
I'm not taking 220 out of there, but I'm also now not putting 220 in.

2318
04:12:57,560 --> 04:13:04,720
So the end reserve amount of negative 354 or whatever, so at the end of the day, the percentage

2319
04:13:04,720 --> 04:13:06,740
of negative is no different.

2320
04:13:06,880 --> 04:13:07,400
It's the same.

2321
04:13:07,840 --> 04:13:09,100
That's how I approach it.

2322
04:13:09,620 --> 04:13:13,300
Correct. I just wanted to draw a council's attention that that is a high-risk reserve.

2323
04:13:14,320 --> 04:13:17,660
We're not making it worse. We're just not making it better. All right.

2324
04:13:18,560 --> 04:13:20,980
Okay, on the motion. Oh, sorry, Councillor McNamara.

2325
04:13:21,600 --> 04:13:24,940
I just want to explain how I'm going to vote here. I'm not going to support you,

2326
04:13:25,020 --> 04:13:29,760
Councillor Russell on this. I do support deferring this and I do support removing some of the capital,

2327
04:13:29,760 --> 04:13:34,100
but given the fact that we are negative, I would be more supportive of taking half of those funds

2328
04:13:34,100 --> 04:13:37,840
and putting it back into the reserve to try to get us back to a positive balance.

2329
04:13:39,840 --> 04:13:46,460
Thank you. Did we expand? I thought that we expanded last year to three, or was the wish

2330
04:13:46,460 --> 04:13:48,220
that we had three and we still only have two?

2331
04:13:51,280 --> 04:13:53,840
We have three ice resurfaces currently.

2332
04:13:54,300 --> 04:13:57,240
Thank you. Actually, we have four. I didn't trade in the last one just in case we

2333
04:13:58,680 --> 04:14:01,540
didn't go through this budget. He also didn't make it better.

2334
04:14:04,340 --> 04:14:05,480
Thank you very much.

2335
04:14:10,300 --> 04:14:12,160
All right, on the motion,

2336
04:14:15,400 --> 04:14:19,840
that level of service, though, is fabulous to be able to have.

2337
04:14:51,740 --> 04:14:55,060
And that's carried 7-1, 1-opposed Councilor McNamara,

2338
04:14:58,580 --> 04:14:59,640
Councilor McNamara.

2339
04:15:00,370 --> 04:15:10,230
Question for Executive Director Koval. It's item, CAP26-6819. It's the Scott

2340
04:15:10,230 --> 04:15:15,630
Side Road Waterming Connection, and I will preface this by apologizing that I was, I sent you an email.

2341
04:15:15,790 --> 04:15:19,190
Well, I drafted an email last week for this, and it's sitting in my dress right now.

2342
04:15:21,270 --> 04:15:30,250
So, what I was looking for is this is to connect the section of water service that is currently

2343
04:15:30,250 --> 04:15:51,440
Supplyed by to Comsea on to our water service and I'm wondering if that was part of the contractual obligation in the agreement with to Comsea display water in that area that eventually we would connect back to our service or can we just leave it as is right now and still continue the connection with to Comsea through the mayor to council back America.

2344
04:15:51,940 --> 04:15:59,900
This is not part of the agreement to connect but it is something that we want to do to be able to connect that service to stop using.

2345
04:16:01,260 --> 04:16:05,920
the water from to come see in that area and have it all under our own water systems.

2346
04:16:05,920 --> 04:16:11,660
We don't have extra reporting and other requirements that are through the Ministry regulations for

2347
04:16:11,660 --> 04:16:12,520
that separate system.

2348
04:16:20,440 --> 04:16:23,020
Moving on, Will, we process that new information.

2349
04:16:23,540 --> 04:16:24,160
That's the rest in.

2350
04:16:25,360 --> 04:16:32,340
I want to talk about CAP-19-6259, if I could.

2351
04:16:32,340 --> 04:16:33,480
Page

2352
04:16:36,230 --> 04:16:39,510
142, fourth item now.

2353
04:16:42,260 --> 04:16:43,060
Thank you, go ahead.

2354
04:16:45,720 --> 04:16:54,420
So during this budget, a lot of these items that I've seen that, and this item here comes back to the first budget that I was on council.

2355
04:16:55,660 --> 04:17:05,440
I did ask the corporate leader of finance to provide an updated version of what monies haven't been spent throughout standing on projects like these.

2356
04:17:05,440 --> 04:17:34,580
and with this I'm just it's very frustrating because we're looking at an ask for 50% more over what we originally budgeted and that's frustrating and and I understand there was delays and stuff outside of our our realm that led to this work not happening in in years past so my question is with this is there areas of this that we could cut a little bit

2357
04:17:34,580 --> 04:17:36,360
and I don't want to cut nothing with the trails

2358
04:17:36,360 --> 04:17:39,620
or the actual main residential portion.

2359
04:17:39,620 --> 04:17:40,980
I'm talking about by the tracks.

2360
04:17:41,500 --> 04:17:44,140
As I know, there's about 80 feet there,

2361
04:17:44,220 --> 04:17:46,840
I believe, of railway property that's currently

2362
04:17:46,840 --> 04:17:48,900
not enclosed on the north side

2363
04:17:48,900 --> 04:17:51,860
and about 80 or 100 on the south side.

2364
04:17:52,400 --> 04:17:54,960
And I'm wondering if some of that we could leave off

2365
04:17:54,960 --> 04:17:58,760
because it is frustrating and we have all this work to do.

2366
04:17:59,360 --> 04:18:02,100
And we're adding 50%, 50% to this tender

2367
04:18:02,100 --> 04:18:03,900
from what we originally approved.

2368
04:18:03,900 --> 04:18:08,780
then I know I was very hesitant then on it so to see it come back was very frustrating.

2369
04:18:09,080 --> 04:18:13,560
So I'm wondering, is there some stuff there that we could back off on?

2370
04:18:17,500 --> 04:18:24,700
Thank you, Mayor. Yes, there actually is. I know you mentioned you didn't want to cut back on

2371
04:18:24,700 --> 04:18:31,140
the trail. The trail at the south end of Wallace Line pretty much ends nowhere, ends at Canelo 22.

2372
04:18:31,140 --> 04:18:42,960
and it does also go over the rail tracks there, and there's draining closure at the rail tracks.

2373
04:18:43,180 --> 04:18:51,980
This is all fundamentally for long-term future work, so those items could and have been identified

2374
04:18:51,980 --> 04:18:56,380
as provisional items under this contract, so they could be cut out of this,

2375
04:18:56,380 --> 04:19:05,280
but they would ultimately be needed when development south of the Wallace Woods area would be developed.

2376
04:19:06,500 --> 04:19:12,800
Okay, yeah, with that, I would like to see us do that. I'm going to make a recommendation here in a

2377
04:19:12,800 --> 04:19:18,940
minute of what I'd like to see because I know Wallace Woods has been talked about probably since I was

2378
04:19:18,940 --> 04:19:24,860
a baby. I don't know, but it's been a long time. So, with knowing that and just knowing the constraints

2379
04:19:24,860 --> 04:19:40,380
We're under right now with the infrastructure and that I would like to see some of that being built out to help bring it in some more funding before we do something that's for way down the road, especially with the cost how much they've ballooned here.

2380
04:19:41,380 --> 04:19:52,980
So with that being said, what I did here was we had originally put in for or approved $3.289 million.

2381
04:19:52,980 --> 04:20:01,880
dollars. And what I did, I talked to CAO, CNAFO, RUSO, that we make roughly 5% on our

2382
04:20:01,880 --> 04:20:07,760
money. So I did the compound over the last 3 years, which brings us up to 3.8 million.

2383
04:20:08,520 --> 04:20:13,460
So with that being said, I would like to see us spend no more than 4 million on this.

2384
04:20:14,200 --> 04:20:20,000
And if it does come in higher than that with the provisions out at that time, we have to

2385
04:20:20,000 --> 04:20:24,380
approve the tender anyways and it's coming out of reserve we could approve the

2386
04:20:24,380 --> 04:20:28,620
overages at that time if there is to make sure we get the portion of the

2387
04:20:28,620 --> 04:20:33,820
road where all the residents are now complete if I got support to council on that

2388
04:20:33,820 --> 04:20:39,520
with a seconder so that's what I'd like to move to cap that at 4 million and take

2389
04:20:39,520 --> 04:20:42,060
some of them provisions out to make sure we get there if we have to.

2390
04:20:42,440 --> 04:20:48,320
Hey, capping at 4 million so moved seconded by Deputy Mayor Wallstedt comes

2391
04:20:48,320 --> 04:20:58,640
That's like a question to the mover before I so the extra 970,000 that goes back to the

2392
04:20:59,340 --> 04:21:01,480
tax pair or does it go into an account.

2393
04:21:01,540 --> 04:21:03,040
It goes back to the roadries, sir.

2394
04:21:07,020 --> 04:21:07,960
Councillor Mackinamere.

2395
04:21:08,540 --> 04:21:15,300
I have a question for division of your orm show on the provisional items with the pathway.

2396
04:21:16,500 --> 04:21:17,960
How was that provision set up?

2397
04:21:17,960 --> 04:21:22,180
Was it the entire pathway network, a long Wallace line was set up as a

2398
04:21:22,180 --> 04:21:26,920
provision, or was it from Water Street south to 22?

2399
04:21:28,380 --> 04:21:31,740
Thank you, Mayor. Through you, Councillor McMurray.

2400
04:21:32,240 --> 04:21:39,780
Yeah, it's actually the section south of Water Street all the way to pretty much the

2401
04:21:39,780 --> 04:21:41,680
stop sign at Canary 22.

2402
04:21:47,070 --> 04:21:47,950
On the motion,

2403
04:21:50,310 --> 04:21:51,810
clarification on the motion.

2404
04:21:51,810 --> 04:21:52,730
Thank

2405
04:21:57,140 --> 04:22:19,260
you Madam Mayor. It's more of a question for Mr. Rousseau. So the proposed motion that I have is to reduce item CAP 196259, the Wallace word reconstruction by a certain amount to spend no more than $4 million on the project with the proposed additional funds to be transferred back to the road's life cycle reserve.

2406
04:22:23,520 --> 04:22:24,160
So

2407
04:22:27,240 --> 04:22:33,640
the reduction would be 970, but the total budget line would be 710621.

2408
04:22:36,600 --> 04:22:37,860
I don't know if that helps you, Madam Clerk.

2409
04:22:42,240 --> 04:22:43,520
Councillor Kerr.

2410
04:22:44,420 --> 04:22:45,880
Just for clarification, then.

2411
04:22:46,080 --> 04:22:50,700
This will not put any improvement on the budget.

2412
04:22:50,700 --> 04:22:55,220
will still be at 3.9 whatever and so we're just going to put it in the account and spend it later,

2413
04:22:55,580 --> 04:22:56,480
just not spend it today.

2414
04:22:58,640 --> 04:23:01,200
That is my understanding of the motion.

2415
04:23:05,600 --> 04:23:06,360
Okay, on the motion.

2416
04:23:28,770 --> 04:23:29,810
And that's carried 8-0.

2417
04:23:36,310 --> 04:23:42,610
I just want to pull us over to ATRC 2658, the parking study at the ATRC.

2418
04:23:43,090 --> 04:23:49,330
I'd like to eliminate the $20,000 for the parking study and the justification is that the study will

2419
04:23:49,330 --> 04:23:54,150
evaluate the capacity, usage patterns, potential improvements, the community events,

2420
04:23:54,290 --> 04:23:57,010
recreation, programming, how people are driving where they're parking.

2421
04:23:57,410 --> 04:24:00,850
We just spent a lot of time there, and it's really, really obvious that we're parking

2422
04:24:00,850 --> 04:24:02,430
on this side of the building.

2423
04:24:02,430 --> 04:24:08,690
And I'd really love to pull out the $20,000 worth of studying it and ask instead for a report

2424
04:24:08,690 --> 04:24:15,210
to come back on what the cost is to actually granular AB or asphalt that side of the building.

2425
04:24:15,210 --> 04:24:18,930
So, I believe it's the south side, north side, north side.

2426
04:24:21,660 --> 04:24:25,800
We've spent an awful lot of time there to not know what the community patterns are and

2427
04:24:25,800 --> 04:24:28,900
where people are parking their car, and certainly we can see that when we have large scale

2428
04:24:28,900 --> 04:24:30,880
community events, we've got things in the way.

2429
04:24:31,060 --> 04:24:35,200
So I know that there's a further study in the future that will need to be done in terms

2430
04:24:35,200 --> 04:24:40,300
of like we have curbs, you know, we have to jump the curbs to park on the side where we're

2431
04:24:40,300 --> 04:24:41,280
not supposed to be doing that.

2432
04:24:41,500 --> 04:24:47,000
But I think the first step is really just let's get some granular A or B done or asphalt

2433
04:24:47,000 --> 04:24:50,920
on that north side of the building, and then we can worry about how can we further expand from there?

2434
04:24:51,520 --> 04:24:56,520
So my motion, I don't need it, my motion is to pull it out and to bring back a report

2435
04:24:56,980 --> 04:25:03,040
on the cost associated with completing the north side of the building, if I have support.

2436
04:25:06,540 --> 04:25:09,420
Thanks, Kelsey. Okay, comments, questions on my motion?

2437
04:25:10,680 --> 04:25:14,460
Where does the $20,000 stuff? Can you say pull it out and just cancel it off?

2438
04:25:14,460 --> 04:25:15,000
Yep.

2439
04:25:15,080 --> 04:25:16,100
It just goes back to the tax.

2440
04:25:16,440 --> 04:25:16,580
Yep.

2441
04:25:18,980 --> 04:25:19,400
No.

2442
04:25:19,920 --> 04:25:22,740
Is the 20,000 currently coming from the Levy or the reserve?

2443
04:25:23,460 --> 04:25:25,920
It's coming from the plans and studies reserve at this point in time.

2444
04:25:25,960 --> 04:25:26,040
Okay.

2445
04:25:26,240 --> 04:25:31,280
So maintaining the 20,000 in the reserve and bringing back a report.

2446
04:25:33,060 --> 04:25:33,480
Okay.

2447
04:25:33,620 --> 04:25:34,980
On the motion, we'll vote digitally.

2448
04:25:46,680 --> 04:25:47,860
The point is, we don't need it.

2449
04:25:49,770 --> 04:25:50,150
Yeah.

2450
04:25:57,990 --> 04:25:58,350
Save it.

2451
04:26:00,670 --> 04:26:05,290
We have so much work to do there that, honestly, let's move forward with getting some work done

2452
04:26:05,290 --> 04:26:09,530
instead. Carried 8-0? Councillor Vogler.

2453
04:26:12,710 --> 04:26:14,290
Sorry, Councillor Reston.

2454
04:26:15,490 --> 04:26:27,450
I just had a question on page 143.cap-26-6849 with the drainage report there. I know there's

2455
04:26:27,450 --> 04:26:33,390
been a lot of stuff done on KL over the years like reports and planning in this. And I just

2456
04:26:33,390 --> 04:26:39,210
wondered, is this drainage report to actually finally do something there or just another report?

2457
04:26:40,450 --> 04:26:46,730
Through you, Mayor, this is the road's portion of the drainage report to do the improvements.

2458
04:26:47,610 --> 04:26:54,270
So the Miss Pallidy would file Section 78 to improve the drains and go forward with

2459
04:26:54,270 --> 04:26:59,410
finalizing the drainage improvements. And then you'll see next year we'll be back with

2460
04:26:59,410 --> 04:27:06,330
the design of the road and to reconstruct KL Avenue within probably the next two to

2461
04:27:06,330 --> 04:27:06,810
three years.

2462
04:27:07,730 --> 04:27:08,030
Okay.

2463
04:27:08,190 --> 04:27:12,570
No, I just wanted to make sure it had a true purpose in that something that was just

2464
04:27:12,570 --> 04:27:13,490
pie in the sky.

2465
04:27:13,590 --> 04:27:13,870
That's all.

2466
04:27:14,010 --> 04:27:15,310
Thank you.

2467
04:27:15,310 --> 04:27:16,230
Councillor Santorissa.

2468
04:27:16,710 --> 04:27:17,550
Just further to that.

2469
04:27:17,890 --> 04:27:22,090
So seeing when we have the road report come back that KL was one of the ones that was going

2470
04:27:22,090 --> 04:27:27,430
to be eliminated for, I would think full reconstruction to urban standard, just because of the financial

2471
04:27:27,430 --> 04:27:31,050
pressures that we were seeing in the road's plan over the next five years. We're continuing

2472
04:27:31,050 --> 04:27:35,790
with this drainage recognizing that the scope of the actual reconstruction may be reduced

2473
04:27:36,180 --> 04:27:40,870
in terms of level of service, or are we still going forward with those kind of original

2474
04:27:40,870 --> 04:27:41,410
plans?

2475
04:27:43,460 --> 04:27:45,280
Through you, Mayor, I don't think we've

2476
04:27:45,280 --> 04:27:50,460
totally agreed on what the cross-section of the road would look like at this point. When

2477
04:27:50,460 --> 04:27:57,520
we bring back the drainage report to Council for design, we can probably provide some options

2478
04:27:57,520 --> 04:28:05,400
and alternatives. I think within this area, looking at the adjacent roadways and waterfront

2479
04:28:05,400 --> 04:28:12,120
trail requirements and pedestrian friendly facilities that should be along there, it's

2480
04:28:12,120 --> 04:28:16,600
likely going to end up being an urban cross-section, being recommended, but Council can make

2481
04:28:16,600 --> 04:28:18,740
that decision at some point.

2482
04:28:21,670 --> 04:28:27,830
Thank you. Moving on to COM 266820. Can you tell me where the 5,000 is coming from?

2483
04:28:33,140 --> 04:28:41,620
Sorry, page 145 at the very bottom, COM-26, 60, 20 communication and engagement, camera

2484
04:28:41,620 --> 04:28:44,420
equipment, $5,000 is that a reserve or levy?

2485
04:28:44,900 --> 04:28:47,980
That is coming from the technology office equipment reserve.

2486
04:28:48,680 --> 04:28:49,040
Thank you.

2487
04:28:49,400 --> 04:28:54,640
I'd like to make a motion at this time to increase that by 5,000 so that it's 10,000 so that

2488
04:28:54,640 --> 04:28:59,540
we can get adequate equipment for the whole department looking for a seconder.

2489
04:29:00,540 --> 04:29:01,840
Thank you, Councillor Bustin.

2490
04:29:02,600 --> 04:29:03,520
Comments, questions?

2491
04:29:07,580 --> 04:29:11,020
That's—is that to come out of the—I should have before I second it, but the same—

2492
04:29:11,020 --> 04:29:11,420
Thank you, Mr. Chair.

2493
04:29:11,600 --> 04:29:11,720
Okay.

2494
04:29:11,940 --> 04:29:12,020
Yay.

2495
04:29:16,680 --> 04:29:17,700
We'll vote to do that on that.

2496
04:29:47,550 --> 04:29:49,270
We can take it and we give it a way.

2497
04:29:50,730 --> 04:29:59,290
We're carried at 7-1 Post-Councillor Kerr moving on to CLM 2668-21, Councillor Santorosa.

2498
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:27,100
Thank you. You saw that hand up. I appreciate it. I'd like to make a motion to remove COM 266821, recognizing that we put some money towards, you know, the community, hopefully community engagement to support the community branding. This cycle, I'm not in favor of seeing this move forward, particularly in election year. I think it, it distracts from what else is going on first and foremost, and I'd be happy to see this come back to the next council.

2499
04:30:27,100 --> 04:30:32,660
So move, seconded by, Councillor Hoffman, comments, questions, Councillor Kerr?

2500
04:30:33,840 --> 04:30:37,900
Where is happening to the $40,000? Is it going back to the taxpayer, just going back

2501
04:30:37,900 --> 04:30:39,800
into the bank accounts that we call reserves?

2502
04:30:42,810 --> 04:30:46,990
And be my suggestion that we put it back in the reserves as the plans and studies reserve

2503
04:30:46,990 --> 04:30:51,610
is also negative, but if that is a decision of council, so no.

2504
04:30:55,530 --> 04:30:56,650
Thank you on the motion.

2505
04:30:56,730 --> 04:30:57,390
We'll vote digitally.

2506
04:30:57,390 --> 04:31:01,350
I literally don't do it because now I'm taking notes apparently.

2507
04:31:22,460 --> 04:31:27,340
And that's carried 8-0. Very pleased to seize UM-26, 68-86.

2508
04:31:27,580 --> 04:31:31,380
We'll be dealing with I think the last part of our communities of communities that needs

2509
04:31:31,940 --> 04:31:36,540
some branding work done in there. And I think community naming as well.

2510
04:31:36,720 --> 04:31:39,600
Will that be incorporated into this? Hey, well, great.

2511
04:31:40,740 --> 04:31:41,500
Councillor Buston.

2512
04:31:51,780 --> 04:32:03,200
No, I just had a question here with CAP-26-6877, page 144, just a 4.34 million for the

2513
04:32:03,200 --> 04:32:09,780
water treatment or the wastewater treatment plan on the east end. I'm just wondering

2514
04:32:09,780 --> 04:32:16,360
with that all in compasses, I'm assuming detailed design. So it's a fair bit of money, so I was

2515
04:32:16,360 --> 04:32:20,220
I was wondering with that 4.34 million and I see Ms. Cabal.

2516
04:32:27,920 --> 04:32:31,580
To our director of engineering, it was stick the dealer I think.

2517
04:32:36,020 --> 04:32:36,600
Sorry.

2518
04:32:37,960 --> 04:32:38,620
Thank you, ma'am. Sorry.

2519
04:32:38,840 --> 04:32:39,960
Would you mind repeating?

2520
04:32:40,920 --> 04:32:46,880
The item there, we're allocating 4.34 million.

2521
04:32:47,400 --> 04:32:52,840
It just as design costs associated with the Eastern Community Sanitary Treatment Plant.

2522
04:32:52,840 --> 04:32:55,360
I'm just curious to what that all entails.

2523
04:32:55,360 --> 04:33:03,860
It is a large sum of money, so I was wondering to what point does that put us at in terms of construction?

2524
04:33:06,980 --> 04:33:10,780
Thank you, thank you, thanks for the clarification.

2525
04:33:11,220 --> 04:33:14,500
Sorry, I thought the question was going to another.

2526
04:33:15,200 --> 04:33:19,360
Yeah, this is actually just the design dollars right now.

2527
04:33:20,020 --> 04:33:23,640
It's obviously a considerable investment.

2528
04:33:23,640 --> 04:33:34,320
It is also a considerable item once constructed and this is the whole of the eastern sanitary

2529
04:33:35,410 --> 04:33:44,000
pollution control and treatment identified in the water waste water master plan.

2530
04:33:45,340 --> 04:33:50,220
Okay. So, that's just the design of the plan itself, not—

2531
04:33:50,220 --> 04:33:50,340
Sorry.

2532
04:33:50,580 --> 04:33:51,140
Wow.

2533
04:33:51,540 --> 04:33:52,660
Sorry, I'm too through you.

2534
04:33:52,820 --> 04:33:59,560
It also includes the conveyance from the Comber Lagoon to the treatment facility as

2535
04:33:59,560 --> 04:33:59,780
well.

2536
04:34:00,240 --> 04:34:06,900
So, the whole design of this whole system, okay, little better, still a big number, but

2537
04:34:06,900 --> 04:34:07,360
little better.

2538
04:34:11,180 --> 04:34:14,500
Hey, Torcea, can you give us a number where we're sitting, please?

2539
04:34:14,940 --> 04:34:15,320
I

2540
04:34:17,590 --> 04:34:23,490
love that you wait till the person who is tracking that walks out of the room to ask me if this is a test

2541
04:34:27,860 --> 04:34:30,980
More that you want to pull out members account for 3.2

2542
04:34:38,850 --> 04:34:41,370
3.2. Thank you very much. Deputy Mayor.

2543
04:34:44,150 --> 04:34:46,670
I think I want to zero in on page 146

2544
04:34:46,670 --> 04:34:57,450
six, four, four, eight, six, four, four, eight, DTC, DTCS, whatever that means.

2545
04:34:57,690 --> 04:34:58,210
I have no idea.

2546
04:34:59,350 --> 04:35:00,390
It's halfway down the page.

2547
04:35:00,910 --> 04:35:01,890
Right in the middle.

2548
04:35:04,510 --> 04:35:11,210
Replacing $150,000, we have vulnerable equipment apparently or whatever.

2549
04:35:11,350 --> 04:35:13,410
Like I don't understand that computer's last.

2550
04:35:13,410 --> 04:35:21,490
That's quite a length of time and are we having a lot of trouble with the downtime because we have old computers or what's one of my missing.

2551
04:35:24,250 --> 04:35:26,050
Thank you, Mayor Bailey and Deputy Mayor.

2552
04:35:26,610 --> 04:35:37,870
This is in line with the life cycle of or the current life cycling policies or practices that we have for our technology equipment.

2553
04:35:37,870 --> 04:36:02,750
So this is aligned with the capital asset replacement and the asset management replacement that the municipality currently operates and the equipment that is slated for replacement next year across both servers or any type of server equipment or workstations or cell phones all come under that single line item.

2554
04:36:02,750 --> 04:36:05,550
and that's to execute annual life cycling.

2555
04:36:06,110 --> 04:36:10,370
Not that necessarily any piece of equipment is vulnerable

2556
04:36:10,370 --> 04:36:11,990
anymore so than anything else,

2557
04:36:12,130 --> 04:36:14,310
but just to maintain the current service levels

2558
04:36:14,310 --> 04:36:15,550
that the municipality has.

2559
04:36:16,010 --> 04:36:18,570
Is there an annual amount that we put into this?

2560
04:36:18,630 --> 04:36:20,210
Is that about 150 a year?

2561
04:36:21,510 --> 04:36:24,910
The amount varies year to year depending on the number

2562
04:36:24,910 --> 04:36:27,110
of assets that are due for replacement.

2563
04:36:27,350 --> 04:36:30,070
So last year it was a significantly smaller amount.

2564
04:36:31,830 --> 04:36:36,810
It's something we could look to smooth out, but because they're capital assets, I don't

2565
04:36:36,810 --> 04:36:39,470
generally carry it as operating costs.

2566
04:36:40,030 --> 04:36:42,830
So this year happens to be 150,000.

2567
04:36:43,170 --> 04:36:45,730
Last year was only 50, or shouldn't say last year.

2568
04:36:46,050 --> 04:36:51,030
This present year was only 50,000 because that was the scope of the assets that required replacement.

2569
04:36:51,490 --> 04:36:58,150
So this upcoming 2026 is a larger replacement cycle than perhaps this year, and it varies

2570
04:36:58,150 --> 04:36:58,630
year to year.

2571
04:36:58,630 --> 04:37:05,630
But because they're capital assets, that's why it's carried in the capital budget so that they can be tracked, appreciated, and then planned for replacement.

2572
04:37:06,810 --> 04:37:15,110
Okay, I guess when I hear things like we need to replace workstations and stuff, that kind of bothers me and even some of the equipment, if they can last another year, it can last another year.

2573
04:37:17,770 --> 04:37:23,470
And workstations, I don't even want to ask what the life cycle is in a workstation because they can last a long time.

2574
04:37:23,470 --> 04:37:30,650
time. So I'm just concerned about that. I think it was 50,000 last year. I'd be in favor

2575
04:37:30,650 --> 04:37:33,630
of it remaining at 50,000 for this year.

2576
04:37:36,240 --> 04:37:37,680
You see a huge problem with that? Are we going

2577
04:37:37,680 --> 04:37:42,740
to compute? It's not necessarily that they would shut down.

2578
04:37:43,380 --> 04:37:48,880
Their warranty and service coverage that we carry when we acquire workstations and equipment

2579
04:37:48,880 --> 04:37:58,020
would expire, any increase or any additional repairs and maintenance would have to be absorbed by the operating budget.

2580
04:37:59,260 --> 04:38:07,840
The current life cycle is a four year life cycle, which is one year longer, believe it or not, than the industry average.

2581
04:38:07,940 --> 04:38:15,100
The industry average on workstations, cell phones, that type of equipment is three, we've pushed it to four.

2582
04:38:16,120 --> 04:38:20,340
So, you could push it beyond that.

2583
04:38:20,740 --> 04:38:25,900
What you enter is particularly on laptops and cell phones and those types of devices is

2584
04:38:25,900 --> 04:38:32,260
performance degradation due to batteries, and it becomes more cost prohibitive.

2585
04:38:32,300 --> 04:38:37,720
Not necessarily cost prohibitive, but it's good dollars into essentially depreciated assets

2586
04:38:37,720 --> 04:38:42,680
to replace a battery in a out of support workstation or laptop.

2587
04:38:42,680 --> 04:38:50,860
And that's why Council had the municipality and Council had adopted the four-year life cycle for those pieces of equipment.

2588
04:38:52,340 --> 04:38:54,680
I think I may come back to that. So thank you.

2589
04:38:55,160 --> 04:38:56,440
Thank you. Councilor Hoffman.

2590
04:38:57,540 --> 04:38:59,000
Yeah, just through you.

2591
04:38:59,420 --> 04:39:06,320
Mayor, really, this is just follow-up as to what our deputy was saying.

2592
04:39:06,600 --> 04:39:08,760
Would you be willing to amend this to 75?

2593
04:39:08,760 --> 04:39:14,060
and so I'll make the motion to bring it to 75,000

2594
04:39:21,000 --> 04:39:22,540
off the levee, yeah.

2595
04:39:22,980 --> 04:39:24,340
No, it'll be reserve.

2596
04:39:25,060 --> 04:39:25,940
It's more reserve form.

2597
04:39:26,260 --> 04:39:26,520
Okay.

2598
04:39:32,220 --> 04:39:42,500
Okay, so the motion is to reduce DTCS-26448 annual computer life cycle from 150 to 75,000

2599
04:39:42,500 --> 04:39:44,980
and maintain the rest of the dollars in the reserve.

2600
04:39:52,220 --> 04:39:53,260
Comments, questions?

2601
04:39:57,500 --> 04:40:01,360
is it so just to clarify so that's coming out of a reserve so I won't affect the levy.

2602
04:40:01,520 --> 04:40:02,020
That's right.

2603
04:40:03,260 --> 04:40:05,700
Okay, just see the CFO nodding his head.

2604
04:40:06,300 --> 04:40:11,820
It'd be nice to know what maybe for future budgets, what affects the levy and what is

2605
04:40:11,820 --> 04:40:13,060
what's in the reserve.

2606
04:40:14,840 --> 04:40:21,780
I know well, everything that about the design is that everything in the capital budget

2607
04:40:21,780 --> 04:40:23,660
is funded by the reserves.

2608
04:40:23,660 --> 04:40:31,460
So we plan transfers into the reserve to try to ensure we have, you know, adequate funding.

2609
04:40:31,820 --> 04:40:38,840
Again, this reserve, technology and office equipment is another reserve that I'm detecting.

2610
04:40:38,840 --> 04:40:40,640
The trend here I keep saying is negative.

2611
04:40:40,820 --> 04:40:48,680
These are core assets that are contributions into these reserves are not matching our spend out.

2612
04:40:48,680 --> 04:41:00,700
So I do get a little nervous when we talk about reducing transfers to reserves to attract

2613
04:41:00,700 --> 04:41:02,460
a lower tax rate.

2614
04:41:03,040 --> 04:41:09,380
If we look at our deferred items from last year, there's about $800,000 of cuts from

2615
04:41:09,380 --> 04:41:12,040
the year before to reserve funding.

2616
04:41:12,320 --> 04:41:13,560
That is not sustainable.

2617
04:41:13,560 --> 04:41:19,180
So, I just caution that as we go through this, I know it is Council's

2618
04:41:19,180 --> 04:41:24,380
prerogative to set and determine how much funding goes into all of these reserves, but

2619
04:41:26,460 --> 04:41:36,520
it seems to be areas where life cycle requirements are outweighing our contributions in.

2620
04:41:36,620 --> 04:41:37,660
So, I just want to make that a comment.

2621
04:41:39,300 --> 04:41:40,760
Thank you, Councillor Meckermatt.

2622
04:41:41,500 --> 04:41:44,680
I just want to caution everybody on this.

2623
04:41:45,000 --> 04:41:50,480
My corporation many years ago went through a fixed and variable overhead reduction program

2624
04:41:50,480 --> 04:41:56,520
where we did move from three to four years on all of our IT hardware and the cost savings

2625
04:41:56,520 --> 04:42:00,840
that they saw on the CapExide was directly attributed back to operations the following year.

2626
04:42:01,840 --> 04:42:07,060
And then on top, so it wasn't a cost savings at all, but then we also had to get extra staff

2627
04:42:07,060 --> 04:42:12,120
in to actually physically replace motherboards or hard drives or monitors or keyboards and so

2628
04:42:12,120 --> 04:42:16,100
at the end of the day it was actually a cost increase in the corporation. We have now gone back

2629
04:42:16,100 --> 04:42:21,320
to a three-year life cycle in my company. So there's caution here that we may be saving today,

2630
04:42:21,440 --> 04:42:27,960
but we'll be paying it tomorrow. Councillor Reston. I just wanted to follow up on a little bit with

2631
04:42:28,780 --> 04:42:35,580
CFO set there with the cuts to reserves and one of the examples that in the deferred operating here

2632
04:42:35,580 --> 04:42:41,800
last year item two we paid for the skate park out of the Community Benefit Fund instead

2633
04:42:41,800 --> 04:42:46,580
of out of the parks and furniture fixtures reserve but didn't transfer that and you have

2634
04:42:46,580 --> 04:42:52,160
that as critical high. Well, we didn't do, we were going to spend 125 out of that, we

2635
04:42:52,160 --> 04:42:57,040
used Community Benefit Fund. That didn't draw that reserve, that reserve, if it was going

2636
04:42:57,040 --> 04:43:03,660
to be at $5, it's still at $5 as budgeted per last year. So that's all I'm saying. That's

2637
04:43:03,660 --> 04:43:06,580
a little misrepresentation that we cut short,

2638
04:43:06,980 --> 04:43:08,840
because we use the community benefit,

2639
04:43:08,840 --> 04:43:14,680
which is not a levy or anything of that aspect.

2640
04:43:15,120 --> 04:43:16,760
So I have a hard time with that one.

2641
04:43:17,840 --> 04:43:21,040
Well, I understand what you're saying is

2642
04:43:21,460 --> 04:43:24,200
that was a reallocation of funds in that particular piece.

2643
04:43:25,100 --> 04:43:28,020
The motion as it read from last year

2644
04:43:28,020 --> 04:43:29,740
was not like a one-time motion.

2645
04:43:29,740 --> 04:43:39,260
So, when we go to start building the budget, that cut to the parks reserve was a permanent cut to the parks reserve.

2646
04:43:39,380 --> 04:43:42,080
That is why it is highlighted as critical.

2647
04:43:42,700 --> 04:43:47,060
But it wasn't because we were going to spend that money out of the parks reserve last year.

2648
04:43:47,920 --> 04:43:51,000
We were putting in 125 to spend 125.

2649
04:43:51,000 --> 04:43:59,360
I realized that, but the motion of council was to remove 125 from the base budget, and therefore I can't put it back in.

2650
04:43:59,800 --> 04:44:08,160
No, it was to remove from the transfer to it because it might have been the intention, but the way the motion read was different.

2651
04:44:08,500 --> 04:44:10,960
We went through a lot of this when we were building the budget.

2652
04:44:11,600 --> 04:44:18,740
Those cuts from last year, well, they obviously could not meet within the 4% requirements as well.

2653
04:44:18,740 --> 04:44:38,060
So what I'm saying is, as we make some of these cuts and we make adjustments, if we are intent to only do it for one year, it should be reflected in the resolution because it is very difficult to determine what is a one-time cut and what is not.

2654
04:44:38,800 --> 04:44:43,380
And the wording of the resolution is very important when we go to prepare next year's budget.

2655
04:44:43,520 --> 04:44:52,880
With that being said there for understand, and I think any time that we're deferring a reserve transfer because we're taken from somewhere else is not meant to be permanent.

2656
04:44:53,260 --> 04:44:59,980
It's meant to be the one time thing for that, so that specific resolution last year should have just been for that.

2657
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:29,660
That, like, that it was paid from somewhere else, not that we were taking actual dollars. And that's what I want to say, because that really confuses me, because it's like, no, we did, we did not pull money out of the reserve. We didn't put the money in, that was coming from the levy to fund that. We funded it from another source. I think it goes both ways, because we certainly see both in budget. And, you know, if this reserve transfer was 50,000, and now you're asking for 150,000, and the deputy mayor says I'd like to reduce it to 75.

2658
04:45:29,660 --> 04:45:35,280
If the permanent thing is actually I want it to be 75, I don't want it to be interpreted

2659
04:45:35,280 --> 04:45:35,900
the other way.

2660
04:45:36,080 --> 04:45:40,420
So I think it goes both ways depending, but we need to be very cautious in including

2661
04:45:40,420 --> 04:45:44,300
if this is a one time or if this is something that carries on into the future.

2662
04:45:45,460 --> 04:45:52,200
Also the other thing that this ties into is operationally how it's operationalized once

2663
04:45:52,200 --> 04:45:53,000
we've set budget.

2664
04:45:53,240 --> 04:45:55,940
So we can say, you know, this is what we've allowed.

2665
04:45:55,940 --> 04:46:03,360
So there's 75,000 and you can say, well, I ran a deficit because I had to spend the dollars because equipment died, right?

2666
04:46:03,600 --> 04:46:10,840
And so is it operational orders that say you had no more money to spend, you needed to come back to council, or can you run a deficit?

2667
04:46:11,180 --> 04:46:25,220
And we've not had a level of service comfort discussion amongst council on how much running of a deficit, deficit budget discussions are real discussions we should be having about what is council's comfort in running a deficit budget?

2668
04:46:25,220 --> 04:46:33,680
And how much in real time can we get our academic and financial softwares to have our end users

2669
04:46:33,680 --> 04:46:36,640
knowing where they're at at the end of Q3, Q4, right?

2670
04:46:37,160 --> 04:46:38,820
We seldom get to real time.

2671
04:46:38,940 --> 04:46:45,460
We're looking for dollars to reconcile from 2023 and getting to 2024.

2672
04:46:45,780 --> 04:46:51,240
I think as we're moving forward, we're doing fantastic work to bridge that distance, to bring

2673
04:46:51,240 --> 04:46:56,020
in the right software to train the right people, to expand all of these kind of conversations,

2674
04:46:56,100 --> 04:47:00,180
but they do dovetail in to bigger and more complex things, right?

2675
04:47:00,540 --> 04:47:04,300
Certainly, the level of comfort of running a deficit budget isn't one we've had, and

2676
04:47:04,300 --> 04:47:08,260
we should, because that's a real possibility moving forward.

2677
04:47:09,180 --> 04:47:10,860
I had come from McNamara.

2678
04:47:12,260 --> 04:47:19,300
Yes, actually there's a question for Executive Director Cable on ENG26-6833.

2679
04:47:19,300 --> 04:47:21,040
It's the Bridges Need Study.

2680
04:47:22,560 --> 04:47:24,240
I'm not looking to make any changes here.

2681
04:47:24,380 --> 04:47:27,920
My question is actually this study is on a rolling two-year,

2682
04:47:28,440 --> 04:47:31,340
where we do a two-year outlook for Bridges

2683
04:47:31,340 --> 04:47:32,460
for repairs and rehabilitation.

2684
04:47:33,500 --> 04:47:36,800
Would it not make us make more fiscal sense and maybe extend this out

2685
04:47:36,800 --> 04:47:39,440
maybe to the three or four-year study where we can maybe get more bang

2686
04:47:39,440 --> 04:47:41,980
for our buck and then better plan our capital?

2687
04:47:46,390 --> 04:47:46,910
Thank you.

2688
04:47:47,010 --> 04:47:47,750
Thank you very much.

2689
04:47:47,750 --> 04:47:56,390
Councillor McMurray. The two-year plan for bridge and needs study, in short, is mandated

2690
04:47:56,390 --> 04:47:58,170
under an act.

2691
04:48:00,460 --> 04:48:02,120
Thank you. Recognize and I did have a motion

2692
04:48:02,120 --> 04:48:05,100
on the floor. I'll have the clerk read it back and then we'll vote digitally on it.

2693
04:48:09,410 --> 04:48:16,690
William, Madam Mayor, the motion I have is reduced item DTCS-26448 for the annual computer

2694
04:48:16,690 --> 04:48:22,950
a life cycle replacement to $75,000 and transfer $75,000 back to the technology and office

2695
04:48:22,950 --> 04:48:23,730
equipment reserve.

2696
04:48:26,700 --> 04:48:33,140
And this is something, Deputy Mayor, that you are reducing that reserve fund to.

2697
04:48:34,760 --> 04:48:38,040
That was the office vote, and I'm just supporting it.

2698
04:48:38,640 --> 04:48:39,260
Correct.

2699
04:48:40,240 --> 04:48:41,380
For one year?

2700
04:48:41,740 --> 04:48:42,980
No, ongoingly.

2701
04:48:46,970 --> 04:48:47,890
He didn't say it.

2702
04:48:48,230 --> 04:48:49,150
I'm going to.

2703
04:48:49,890 --> 04:48:50,170
All right.

2704
04:48:50,310 --> 04:48:51,170
We'll vote digitally now.

2705
04:49:10,960 --> 04:49:15,720
I think that particular wording may not agree with the intention.

2706
04:49:16,000 --> 04:49:18,160
This is exactly what we were just talking about.

2707
04:49:19,420 --> 04:49:25,440
Is the intention, then, to reduce the transfer to that reserve from the operating budget to

2708
04:49:25,440 --> 04:49:27,860
lower the tax rate, if that's the intention of the motion?

2709
04:49:28,360 --> 04:49:29,080
That's not the intent.

2710
04:49:29,080 --> 04:49:33,860
The intent is to reduce the amount that's going to the reserve to $75,000 ongoingly.

2711
04:49:39,570 --> 04:49:41,190
I think that's what I just said.

2712
04:49:47,180 --> 04:49:48,300
Councillor Santorosa.

2713
04:49:48,300 --> 04:49:54,300
Okay, so this one in particular, we're looking at 150 technology and office equipment reserve.

2714
04:49:54,860 --> 04:50:00,860
The technology and office equipment reserve has a contribution this year of 251,000.

2715
04:50:00,860 --> 04:50:03,240
Our capital draws are 655.

2716
04:50:03,480 --> 04:50:06,400
This 150 doesn't make up that whole 655.

2717
04:50:06,980 --> 04:50:14,080
So I would assume what you were saying is reduce the contribution from 251 to to whatever that

2718
04:50:14,080 --> 04:50:17,160
is minus 75,000, I'm not going to do the math immediately.

2719
04:50:18,200 --> 04:50:25,260
And then that helps, and then you're reducing the draw, so you'd be at 580, so that the

2720
04:50:25,260 --> 04:50:27,040
capital draw would be sitting at 580.

2721
04:50:27,500 --> 04:50:34,900
And so we would be sitting at 180, or sorry, 190 in terms of a deficit this year, is that

2722
04:50:34,900 --> 04:50:35,200
correct?

2723
04:50:36,100 --> 04:50:38,340
No, that math wouldn't work.

2724
04:50:38,840 --> 04:50:43,900
If you reduced the contribution and you reduced the capital draw, you would still be at

2725
04:50:43,900 --> 04:50:53,120
But negative 265,766 and you would be reducing your life cycle spend funding in perpetuity

2726
04:50:53,120 --> 04:51:00,560
in your base budget by $75,000, which I would suggest won't line up very well with your

2727
04:51:01,160 --> 04:51:02,760
asset management planning at all.

2728
04:51:03,640 --> 04:51:06,020
Looking to Councillor Hoffman to withdraw your motion.

2729
04:51:06,540 --> 04:51:07,360
Thank you.

2730
04:51:08,480 --> 04:51:08,920
Thank you.

2731
04:51:09,200 --> 04:51:10,140
Moving forward with our budget,

2732
04:51:12,860 --> 04:51:13,500
Councillor Santorosa.

2733
04:51:13,500 --> 04:51:20,320
Thank you, Madam Mayor, looking at page 147, ENG-26-6492, the Transportation Master Plan

2734
04:51:20,320 --> 04:51:20,660
update.

2735
04:51:21,280 --> 04:51:23,800
I was a little surprised by the Christ-Heg here.

2736
04:51:24,280 --> 04:51:28,160
I know it's been sometimes since we've actually had the Transportation Master Plan officially

2737
04:51:28,160 --> 04:51:28,980
done on the website.

2738
04:51:29,060 --> 04:51:34,820
I think it's got something got off of, oh, yeah, 2008 on the website, but it hasn't been

2739
04:51:34,820 --> 04:51:40,720
that long since our previous economic development officer had brought a mobility option study

2740
04:51:40,720 --> 04:51:46,560
to council that we've never moved on and so I can't imagine and we have not seen significant

2741
04:51:46,560 --> 04:51:50,580
development that would substantially change I think the options that were brought forward

2742
04:51:50,580 --> 04:51:56,340
in that report. I've also had the time to take a look at some of the contents of the

2743
04:51:56,340 --> 04:52:01,560
previous transportation master plan. So taking a look at things like road network development

2744
04:52:01,560 --> 04:52:07,760
patterns forecast. We've done so much of this work previously under the housing needs assessment,

2745
04:52:07,760 --> 04:52:10,060
under half to build those business cases.

2746
04:52:10,700 --> 04:52:15,700
I'm wondering why this is coming in at a $400,000 ask.

2747
04:52:16,220 --> 04:52:21,300
And I'm doubling down on this because we know what we're up against over the next couple

2748
04:52:21,300 --> 04:52:26,820
of years in terms of level of service, in terms of our water and our wastewater, talking

2749
04:52:26,820 --> 04:52:28,240
about investments in fire.

2750
04:52:28,820 --> 04:52:34,380
And I would not, you know, I don't envy the future council having to sit there and have

2751
04:52:34,380 --> 04:52:38,540
a transportation master plan report come forward that says we recommend a transit system and

2752
04:52:38,540 --> 04:52:42,400
also you need more full-time firefighters and trying to make that decision between where

2753
04:52:42,400 --> 04:52:43,600
the money on the levee is going to go.

2754
04:52:44,580 --> 04:52:47,440
And so I'm not a fan of spending 400,000.

2755
04:52:47,580 --> 04:52:53,500
Go ahead and update it from a trails perspective, from a bike lanes in and beyond whatever sea

2756
04:52:53,500 --> 04:52:54,120
watts covers.

2757
04:52:54,320 --> 04:52:55,660
I'm absolutely in favor.

2758
04:52:56,380 --> 04:53:01,840
But I can't imagine much has changed since that mobility option study unless now we're having

2759
04:53:01,840 --> 04:53:09,080
a conversation about a regional service that the county's taking a lead on. So I'm in favor

2760
04:53:09,080 --> 04:53:16,320
of reducing that by half at a minimum, but I'd love to hear some other comments, because I do think

2761
04:53:16,320 --> 04:53:20,180
that there's some help in seeing sidewalks and pathways, pedestrian connectivity,

2762
04:53:20,780 --> 04:53:24,740
some roadway classification is needed, and some of those other components maintained.

2763
04:53:25,340 --> 04:53:30,500
But I think that there's been so much done that we don't need to give the full ask to a consultant.

2764
04:53:31,040 --> 04:53:40,280
Yeah, I tend to agree with you and especially recognizing the regional work that the county is going to be taking the lead on to our executive director through you mayor.

2765
04:53:40,720 --> 04:53:48,540
I think I think we're at the I have to agree with you the transportation master plan we have right now is useless. It's so outdated.

2766
04:53:48,540 --> 04:53:57,580
There's a lot of errors in it in lieu of trying to fit a proper planning, transportation

2767
04:53:57,580 --> 04:54:00,560
master plan, follows certain criteria.

2768
04:54:01,060 --> 04:54:08,240
I would probably recommend deferring it, maybe a year or two, but we have to get it done

2769
04:54:08,240 --> 04:54:10,600
before the growth that's happening.

2770
04:54:11,440 --> 04:54:16,460
I think it's important for us to align with the counties, which they're going to be done

2771
04:54:16,460 --> 04:54:23,160
some time this year. So I would instead of trying to scope a document to a value, it's not really,

2772
04:54:23,380 --> 04:54:30,140
it doesn't really work in the master planning world. I would recommend a furl of it, at least for

2773
04:54:30,140 --> 04:54:36,220
maybe another year. I think when we see that County Road 22 trunk main go in and you know,

2774
04:54:36,320 --> 04:54:40,420
those growth applications coming in, we really want to see what the trail network looks like across,

2775
04:54:40,420 --> 04:54:48,780
make sure and do some more planning related to roads and capacity assessments, so that's

2776
04:54:48,780 --> 04:54:49,740
just my thoughts on that.

2777
04:54:52,500 --> 04:54:53,060
Let them sit.

2778
04:54:55,840 --> 04:54:59,420
I'll make a motion then that we defer the Transportation Master Plan.

2779
04:55:00,920 --> 04:55:03,720
I know Councillor Kerr is going to ask question, it stays.

2780
04:55:03,740 --> 04:55:04,640
The money just stays.

2781
04:55:04,800 --> 04:55:09,780
We're only making a contribution of 34 in that reserve, and it's in a deficit position,

2782
04:55:09,780 --> 04:55:11,360
so it's going to stay where it is.

2783
04:55:13,440 --> 04:55:16,380
I'm not going to be prescriptive on timeline. I will leave that up to the next council.

2784
04:55:17,000 --> 04:55:20,280
Yeah, I agree with you. I'd love to see this actually two years, right?

2785
04:55:20,400 --> 04:55:25,580
Like I recognize that a new council walks in the door, is trying to absorb, you know,

2786
04:55:25,720 --> 04:55:29,800
the sheer magnitude of everything, and then you're, they're going to approve a budget,

2787
04:55:30,040 --> 04:55:33,160
and start implementing a transportation plan that they didn't ask for and don't understand.

2788
04:55:33,420 --> 04:55:37,440
So I would love to see it stagger the election timing, you know,

2789
04:55:37,440 --> 04:55:42,020
so that the new council is sitting for a year and has all of that knowledge before they're

2790
04:55:42,020 --> 04:55:45,760
making these critical decisions. So thank you for that. Secondary on the motion.

2791
04:55:46,640 --> 04:55:47,880
Deputy Mayor Wallstead.

2792
04:55:49,580 --> 04:55:52,160
Comments, questions? We'll vote digitally.

2793
04:56:21,090 --> 04:56:21,730
Good planning.

2794
04:56:30,070 --> 04:56:30,770
I'm not.

2795
04:56:33,330 --> 04:56:34,510
I'm not here for that.

2796
04:56:35,170 --> 04:56:36,730
That's not why I got up this morning.

2797
04:56:44,180 --> 04:56:45,760
Oh, bickering amongst council.

2798
04:56:46,240 --> 04:56:47,200
That's carried eight zero.

2799
04:56:47,440 --> 04:56:48,160
It's three o'clock.

2800
04:56:48,320 --> 04:56:49,820
We've been at the table a long time.

2801
04:56:50,020 --> 04:56:50,860
Do we need a stretch point?

2802
04:56:51,000 --> 04:56:51,140
Break.

2803
04:56:51,260 --> 04:56:53,540
I did say that we would take a break at three o'clock.

2804
04:56:54,000 --> 04:56:55,200
Shall we take 15 minutes?

2805
04:56:55,600 --> 04:56:55,700
Yes.

2806
04:56:56,020 --> 04:56:56,300
All right.

2807
04:56:56,480 --> 04:56:57,560
Recess for 15 minutes.

2808
04:56:57,980 --> 04:56:58,420
Thanks, Simon.

2809
04:57:02,200 --> 04:57:03,700
And thank you for that break.

2810
04:57:04,420 --> 04:57:04,820
Break.

2811
04:57:05,280 --> 04:57:09,300
We are on page 146 and 147.

2812
04:57:09,300 --> 04:57:10,980
Moving to Councillor Reston.

2813
04:57:13,040 --> 04:57:17,960
I just wanted to defer an item here, the tree plan and program for older subdivision.

2814
04:57:18,080 --> 04:57:24,860
I want to defer it till we get information back from the motion that we had asked to deal

2815
04:57:24,860 --> 04:57:29,960
with Erca to see what they got, because from my understanding, speaking to Erca, they haven't

2816
04:57:29,960 --> 04:57:36,520
heard from anyone from us yet, so I'd appreciate it if we can come up with that.

2817
04:57:36,520 --> 04:57:41,180
So that's just a deferral on the tree plan until we get that information back.

2818
04:57:41,600 --> 04:57:42,020
Emotion.

2819
04:57:42,400 --> 04:57:42,820
Thank you.

2820
04:57:43,120 --> 04:57:51,540
Emotion to defer ENG26616, moved by Councillor Reston, seconded by Deputy Mayor Wallstead, comments, questions.

2821
04:57:55,470 --> 04:57:56,790
Seeing then, we'll vote digitally.

2822
04:58:01,070 --> 04:58:02,130
It's about an awful time.

2823
04:58:16,470 --> 04:58:16,850
Where are you headed?

2824
04:58:18,190 --> 04:58:20,090
It could actually think it always on.

2825
04:59:02,060 --> 04:59:15,480
I'd like to move to page 148, if I could item ENG-26-680, the Comberstoney Point Force

2826
04:59:15,480 --> 04:59:22,920
main fund in there. Is that covered in the 3.7 million or 4.7 as we talked about? I thought you said.

2827
04:59:23,620 --> 04:59:29,600
Through you, Mayor, we can cut this item and fit it in the other budget. We've got confirmation on the level of class A now.

2828
04:59:30,140 --> 04:59:31,640
Since the budget, I think we're fine.

2829
04:59:32,740 --> 04:59:42,340
Okay, let's then I would like to put a motion to cut item number ENG-26-685, 5.0,

2830
04:59:42,340 --> 04:59:45,880
and return that money to the wastewater reserve fund.

2831
04:59:46,640 --> 04:59:47,260
Thank you.

2832
04:59:47,420 --> 04:59:47,680
Some move.

2833
04:59:47,840 --> 04:59:48,900
Seconded by Councillor Vogler.

2834
04:59:49,180 --> 04:59:49,920
Comments, questions?

2835
04:59:50,420 --> 04:59:51,520
Seeing no more vote digitally.

2836
05:00:58,830 --> 05:01:11,050
And that's carried 8-0. Councilor Reston. Item on page 148, item ENG-26-6834, the consultant

2837
05:01:11,050 --> 05:01:16,770
servitives to be retained for replacing the private water lines until very north. I think

2838
05:01:16,770 --> 05:01:25,690
that was an item that we squashed in a regular council meeting if I recall with private water

2839
05:01:25,690 --> 05:01:27,150
lines. Is that related to that?

2840
05:01:29,600 --> 05:01:32,860
Through you, Mayor. I believe that was a report for information.

2841
05:01:33,820 --> 05:01:38,740
I don't know if we cut the water main or the private road portion.

2842
05:01:40,880 --> 05:01:47,460
I'm not sure from a, I mean, we could probably look at reducing it. I think for the, with respect to

2843
05:01:47,460 --> 05:01:52,720
the private water lines, there's going to have to be some support we get to go out to the public to

2844
05:01:52,720 --> 05:01:57,300
discuss with these people and coordinate and collaborate. We're likely going to have

2845
05:01:57,300 --> 05:02:01,900
to do some field investigation and condition assessments. We have no idea because they're

2846
05:02:01,900 --> 05:02:02,440
private.

2847
05:02:04,580 --> 05:02:08,800
So I think there's two different ones in here as hoping to get clarification

2848
05:02:08,800 --> 05:02:09,580
through this process.

2849
05:02:11,000 --> 05:02:16,280
I just wonder in like what would be the, I know a lot of like, there's some private water

2850
05:02:16,280 --> 05:02:21,400
lines that run through farms of mine that people put in themselves and are responsible for.

2851
05:02:21,400 --> 05:02:28,040
or is that what this relates to because I think a lot of people on that front are satisfied

2852
05:02:28,040 --> 05:02:31,440
because I don't think they're knocking down the door to want us to do that and I don't

2853
05:02:31,440 --> 05:02:33,900
know why some are through

2854
05:02:37,700 --> 05:02:38,680
the Mayor of Councilor Rustin.

2855
05:02:39,140 --> 05:02:45,880
This is the Tilbury area of Bleak Shore and there's a lot of private water lines that are

2856
05:02:45,880 --> 05:02:53,240
connected to the Chatham Kent utility services and there is concern from residents as well

2857
05:02:53,240 --> 05:02:59,780
Chatham-Kent utilities on the condition of these private water mains and this is to start the process weeks so we can look at

2858
05:02:59,780 --> 05:03:01,600
helping these residents out.

2859
05:03:02,500 --> 05:03:05,520
Okay, note that clarifies. I just want some clarification there.

2860
05:03:07,840 --> 05:03:08,520
Further.

2861
05:03:09,980 --> 05:03:10,320
No.

2862
05:03:13,320 --> 05:03:18,780
I'm just again here item ENG 26-6836.

2863
05:03:19,620 --> 05:03:30,260
Consultant services, be retained to review and update development manual and provide recommendations to ensure it reflects current standards, best practice and municipal requirements.

2864
05:03:30,900 --> 05:03:36,300
What are we talking about there unless it's a missing something, what department, what area?

2865
05:03:48,350 --> 05:03:49,650
Sorry, can I get that repeated?

2866
05:03:50,430 --> 05:03:57,070
It's item ENG-26-6836 on page 148 of the budget.

2867
05:03:59,470 --> 05:04:04,310
So, through you, Mayor, to Council Reston, so we've been working on an updated development

2868
05:04:04,310 --> 05:04:10,870
manual internally. We're doing a lot of the work ourselves. We are requesting a review

2869
05:04:10,870 --> 05:04:15,810
of a third party to go through and assist and help us finalize it and do some reviews

2870
05:04:15,810 --> 05:04:20,930
of other municipalities and recommendations from a consultant to finalize the development

2871
05:04:20,930 --> 05:04:22,530
manual to bring back to Council.

2872
05:04:22,530 --> 05:04:22,610
Council.

2873
05:04:25,170 --> 05:04:25,550
Okay.

2874
05:04:25,890 --> 05:04:26,410
Thank you.

2875
05:04:27,130 --> 05:04:28,450
Councillor Mackinamatt.

2876
05:04:30,110 --> 05:04:38,530
She's just a question for Director Cable on same page ENG266871, the Notre Dame First

2877
05:04:38,530 --> 05:04:39,250
Street intersection.

2878
05:04:40,550 --> 05:04:48,850
My question on this is does this funding also give the opportunity to have either some

2879
05:04:48,850 --> 05:04:52,150
open houses and feedback from both Council and residents?

2880
05:04:54,070 --> 05:04:59,730
Through you, Mayor, this will, well, the anticipation was coming, was to come back to council

2881
05:04:59,730 --> 05:05:00,750
with some alternatives.

2882
05:05:01,550 --> 05:05:05,330
We did not plan on doing a public open house related to this.

2883
05:05:06,050 --> 05:05:10,930
Normally, we would bring it back to council, and then if there's concerns or issues, we

2884
05:05:10,930 --> 05:05:12,330
could potentially look at doing that.

2885
05:05:12,990 --> 05:05:20,690
Normally we do some kind of outreach before construction and some consultation with the impacted

2886
05:05:20,690 --> 05:05:25,890
residents but we would do a full public open house. Councillor Santorissa?

2887
05:05:26,730 --> 05:05:29,690
Thank you, Madam Mayor. Councillor Russen got through my questions on

2888
05:05:29,690 --> 05:05:35,310
636, so that's great. So on this one, I think my hope here is just because we're seeing some

2889
05:05:35,310 --> 05:05:41,350
of the language attached to this budget item around this site may be used to provide additional

2890
05:05:41,350 --> 05:05:45,350
parking for relief you park in West Beach and that the project includes the concept plans

2891
05:05:45,350 --> 05:05:50,590
and detailed design for the street intersection improvements, as well as the design of an additional

2892
05:05:50,590 --> 05:05:56,590
parking area, including the 616 no Notre Dame Street parcel. My worry here is just being

2893
05:05:56,590 --> 05:06:03,670
prescriptive in stating parking, like I would rather say the project budget includes concept

2894
05:06:03,670 --> 05:06:08,510
plans and detailed design for the Notre Dame in first slash South Street intersection improvements

2895
05:06:08,510 --> 05:06:15,450
as well as design alternatives, including the 616 no Notre Dame Street parcel. We've seen some great

2896
05:06:15,450 --> 05:06:19,790
work particularly in some of the work that the BIA has done over the last little bit as to what

2897
05:06:19,790 --> 05:06:23,930
that corner could look like, and I think it would be a great opportunity to work with

2898
05:06:23,930 --> 05:06:28,670
the BIA, either in a place-making opportunity as you're thinking about the entrants into

2899
05:06:28,670 --> 05:06:33,170
the community and what that could look like outside of just, you know, mill and pave it.

2900
05:06:33,370 --> 05:06:37,670
So that would be my hope there is just looking for council support around that direction

2901
05:06:37,670 --> 05:06:40,250
and hoping that that administration is hearing that language.

2902
05:06:40,890 --> 05:06:44,150
The other piece that I want to ask is we have the $75,000 here.

2903
05:06:44,150 --> 05:06:51,030
when we approved demolition of the law, we did, I think, have enough money there to kind

2904
05:06:51,030 --> 05:06:56,690
of pave over what was there and hopefully see that fence removed. We're now heading, you know,

2905
05:06:56,690 --> 05:07:02,150
start of December, are we going to be able to complete that work over the winter months or will any

2906
05:07:02,150 --> 05:07:07,930
remaining funds be deferred into the work next year? So if you'll hold the question just for a second

2907
05:07:07,930 --> 05:07:12,370
executive director, I'd like to caption it as a motion. I think it's important because your

2908
05:07:12,370 --> 05:07:16,770
language changing away from maybe used to provide additional parking, and I quite

2909
05:07:16,770 --> 05:07:21,050
agree that we shouldn't know yet, right? We need to look at it and understand what

2910
05:07:21,050 --> 05:07:25,150
we could do there, and I too have seen some really brilliant ideas of what could

2911
05:07:25,150 --> 05:07:30,370
happen, so I don't want to limit it. I'd like your, yeah, to be a motion. Seconded by,

2912
05:07:31,130 --> 05:07:35,150
thank you, Councillor McNamara, and then let's just wait for the clerk to caption that,

2913
05:07:35,270 --> 05:07:36,690
and then I'll return to your question.

2914
05:07:39,060 --> 05:07:43,200
Through you, Madam Mayor. I mean, need some clarification on this. What I have so far

2915
05:07:43,200 --> 05:07:49,400
There is Clarify Item ENG-26-6871, which is the Notre Dame and First Street intersection.

2916
05:07:50,120 --> 05:07:52,680
Include the design of additional options.

2917
05:07:53,260 --> 05:07:57,620
So the detailed design for the Notre Dame and First Street intersection improvements

2918
05:07:57,620 --> 05:08:04,220
up until the comma is fine, as well as design alternatives for the remaining lands,

2919
05:08:04,890 --> 05:08:07,240
including the 616 Notre Dame Street.

2920
05:08:12,520 --> 05:08:14,320
Seconded by Councillor McNamara.

2921
05:08:14,320 --> 05:08:15,460
question, Councillor Kerr.

2922
05:08:16,140 --> 05:08:22,740
Could I ask that the words parking these remain in there, not exclusively, but as part

2923
05:08:22,740 --> 05:08:28,360
of it, as Miss Kebel knows as well as I give, we have lost a lot of parking on Notre Dame

2924
05:08:28,360 --> 05:08:32,060
Street through the changes, through the curving, through everything.

2925
05:08:32,580 --> 05:08:37,700
So if you're driving your car down there, there's not going to be a lot of places to park.

2926
05:08:37,920 --> 05:08:43,280
So when I saw the parking, I didn't think of it as exclusive, I just figured that this

2927
05:08:43,280 --> 05:08:48,360
is what we're going to look at. But I would like them to continue to have parking on the

2928
05:08:48,360 --> 05:08:48,560
brain.

2929
05:08:51,700 --> 05:08:54,720
In response, I don't think I'm going to specify it. We said design alternatives.

2930
05:08:54,980 --> 05:09:01,100
I recognize that's the original ask here. And so I think that will be well taken into consideration.

2931
05:09:01,200 --> 05:09:06,240
So whether one of them is a parking alternative, another one is, you know, a garden or a public

2932
05:09:06,240 --> 05:09:11,080
seating area or signage, you know, we'll wait for those to come back. But I do expect that parking

2933
05:09:11,080 --> 05:09:12,180
We'll be one of them anyway.

2934
05:09:14,480 --> 05:09:15,840
It doesn't matter where you take it off.

2935
05:09:16,980 --> 05:09:17,980
Because that was exclusive.

2936
05:09:21,010 --> 05:09:21,510
Yeah, the motion.

2937
05:09:22,790 --> 05:09:24,530
Okay, on the motion, we'll vote digitally.

2938
05:09:39,430 --> 05:09:40,350
And that's carried 8-0.

2939
05:09:40,710 --> 05:09:45,490
I want to turn our attention to ENG266-6875-Private Rope Pilot Program.

2940
05:09:45,950 --> 05:09:47,010
Page 149.

2941
05:09:47,510 --> 05:09:51,050
This was kind of the other half, Councillor Rustin, that you were referring to earlier.

2942
05:09:51,450 --> 05:09:57,950
I thought that Council's direction too was that we were going to move away from a pilot program.

2943
05:09:57,950 --> 05:10:01,830
So, we could return this 100.

2944
05:10:02,210 --> 05:10:04,550
So, if somebody wants to make that motion, Councillor Reston.

2945
05:10:05,190 --> 05:10:17,270
Yeah, I'd like to make a motion that we eliminate that ENG-26-6875 and at the same time, one

2946
05:10:17,270 --> 05:10:21,990
time reduction in transfer of 100,000 to the road life cycle reserve.

2947
05:10:31,690 --> 05:10:42,270
I understand we made some changes and we did some things, but I did not know that we agreed to wipe it out because I think that the private roads is a heartburn thing that needs to be properly addressed.

2948
05:10:43,010 --> 05:10:45,010
And I'm sorry that this is even a motion.

2949
05:10:47,310 --> 05:10:49,750
I know what to change it but I didn't know what to work it out.

2950
05:10:50,650 --> 05:10:52,470
There's nothing else for me to do the work.

2951
05:10:52,470 --> 05:10:53,090
Just for the fine in the fit.

2952
05:10:53,570 --> 05:10:54,070
To do the work.

2953
05:10:54,310 --> 05:10:55,730
Just for the change.

2954
05:10:58,120 --> 05:10:58,560
Yeah.

2955
05:10:59,680 --> 05:11:01,460
We can ask some from the customer.

2956
05:11:03,260 --> 05:11:03,700
Okay.

2957
05:11:04,020 --> 05:11:04,500
On the motion.

2958
05:11:04,780 --> 05:11:04,900
Yep.

2959
05:11:05,080 --> 05:11:05,440
To our clerk.

2960
05:11:06,680 --> 05:11:07,380
My apologies.

2961
05:11:07,600 --> 05:11:08,720
Do we have a seconder on that motion?

2962
05:11:09,540 --> 05:11:09,880
Thank you.

2963
05:11:12,540 --> 05:11:13,760
We'll vote digitally now.

2964
05:11:36,470 --> 05:11:37,910
And that's carried 7-1-1.

2965
05:11:38,010 --> 05:11:38,950
Opposed Councillor Kerr.

2966
05:11:39,090 --> 05:11:39,770
Councillor Rustin.

2967
05:11:41,910 --> 05:11:53,430
It's on page 149, item FAC-24-6704, we have a budget of 225 there to do work in the Atlas

2968
05:11:53,430 --> 05:11:54,390
Tube Park and Lot.

2969
05:11:55,810 --> 05:12:02,230
What I'm asking here is we came in under budget by half last year, we had next, I believe

2970
05:12:02,230 --> 05:12:05,190
it was 125,000 under budget, Jeff.

2971
05:12:16,260 --> 05:12:21,580
Sorry to interrupt, just to your worship to Councillor Russen.

2972
05:12:22,200 --> 05:12:27,720
That project turned into a lot bigger work than what we originally thought.

2973
05:12:29,040 --> 05:12:32,140
The base on that parking lot was no base.

2974
05:12:33,380 --> 05:12:37,060
It looked like they actually put stone on top of clay.

2975
05:12:38,640 --> 05:12:41,460
Did we spend all the money then last year that we had allocated?

2976
05:12:41,460 --> 05:12:54,060
Okay, then, note that if we, if we not, I was going to say let's add that to this years as all I was going to do because I didn't want dollars out where I allocated in a reserve, put them in the ground.

2977
05:12:54,320 --> 05:12:59,460
So that answers my quick, because when it came to us, it was, the tenure was half, so once you got going.

2978
05:12:59,580 --> 05:13:00,440
Okay, that, I

2979
05:13:12,920 --> 05:13:22,620
think we have a walk through Mr. Merton of FIN 2064 24 as it relates to the implementation of the ERP 400,000.

2980
05:13:22,620 --> 05:13:23,960
Absolutely, Mayor Bailey.

2981
05:13:24,160 --> 05:13:24,440
Thank you.

2982
05:13:24,780 --> 05:13:34,360
The request is for additional funds for the ongoing ERP, which is composed of the core

2983
05:13:34,360 --> 05:13:39,500
financial system, as well as the tax and utility module.

2984
05:13:40,560 --> 05:13:45,260
Broadly speaking, just a general project update for Council, it is going well.

2985
05:13:45,260 --> 05:13:58,860
We have had a setback with staffing challenges that will delay the go live until roughly June, but our intent is still to be live for final tax bills of 2026.

2986
05:14:00,000 --> 05:14:12,200
Through the discovery and the custom configuration and some custom modules within Microsoft Dynamics, we've noted that there will be some additional enhancements, particularly on some of the reporting.

2987
05:14:12,200 --> 05:14:19,400
that is specific to taxation, along with some of the integrations we want to do with

2988
05:14:19,400 --> 05:14:20,040
impact.

2989
05:14:20,380 --> 05:14:25,500
So while not mission critical to our ability to go live with the product and deliver

2990
05:14:25,500 --> 05:14:31,180
the service to residents, we do anticipate those are going to be needs that the municipality

2991
05:14:31,180 --> 05:14:35,060
and particularly finance will want the system to be able to do.

2992
05:14:35,060 --> 05:14:41,540
In addition to that, so part of it is for the consulting to implement the changes.

2993
05:14:41,880 --> 05:14:48,760
When Council directed administration to proceed with this project, rather than modifying

2994
05:14:48,760 --> 05:14:55,820
staffing complement, Council approved temporary staffing positions to support the delivery of

2995
05:14:55,820 --> 05:14:59,920
It is to equally extend those positions through to

2996
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:06,760
To the slightly delayed go-live of the project, but not convert anything to permanent. So this

2997
05:15:06,760 --> 05:15:12,640
would include no operational changes into budget 2027.

2998
05:15:13,340 --> 05:15:16,520
Thank you. Councillor Reston.

2999
05:15:18,340 --> 05:15:28,820
This is a small one, but it kind of odd one to me. Item FAC-26-6859 to install and upgrade

3000
05:15:28,820 --> 05:15:33,020
Security cameras at the OPP station to enhance facility safety and security.

3001
05:15:33,460 --> 05:15:36,960
This system is an improved monitor and a tier of vandalism.

3002
05:15:37,640 --> 05:15:39,040
It's the police station.

3003
05:15:40,580 --> 05:15:44,540
So with that being said, if I get a seconder, I'd like to cut that.

3004
05:15:44,980 --> 05:15:52,500
And at the same time, I'd like to do a one-time cut to the facilities, 9ATC and property reserves

3005
05:15:52,500 --> 05:15:54,320
by the same amount of $10,000.

3006
05:15:56,260 --> 05:16:00,140
So move seconded by, definitely Mayor Walshden,

3007
05:16:08,870 --> 05:16:09,750
comments, questions.

3008
05:16:14,510 --> 05:16:16,270
You think that of a motion?

3009
05:16:16,690 --> 05:16:19,990
I was just beached on and off, sorry.

3010
05:16:31,920 --> 05:16:32,620
Time's out.

3011
05:16:35,670 --> 05:16:36,570
Sorry, good.

3012
05:16:40,090 --> 05:16:50,410
All right, just I guess a question on the motion, the cameras that are being put in there.

3013
05:16:50,470 --> 05:16:53,610
Do we have a timing on the skate park installation?

3014
05:16:53,610 --> 05:16:57,530
I understand just through conversation that we're going to be shifting that a little bit

3015
05:16:57,530 --> 05:17:02,030
but more away from the, pardon?

3016
05:17:05,350 --> 05:17:06,190
It's in our range.

3017
05:17:09,190 --> 05:17:10,030
And so it's back further.

3018
05:17:10,410 --> 05:17:13,550
The question really was related to the cameras that are being put in here.

3019
05:17:13,630 --> 05:17:18,610
They won't have any governance or oversight at that duration to be able to see that end

3020
05:17:18,610 --> 05:17:19,990
to the park where the skate park is.

3021
05:17:21,190 --> 05:17:21,950
Or would they?

3022
05:17:24,460 --> 05:17:25,800
No, they will not.

3023
05:17:26,680 --> 05:17:32,720
They're like to see the, if we were to install cameras at the skate park, if they would

3024
05:17:32,720 --> 05:17:35,360
catch the OPP properties that we were asking.

3025
05:17:35,460 --> 05:17:37,700
The other way around these cameras that are being installed.

3026
05:17:37,700 --> 05:17:43,120
It will be utilized, yeah, and it's too far away from where the new location of the

3027
05:17:43,120 --> 05:17:43,820
skate park is.

3028
05:17:43,980 --> 05:17:44,200
Okay.

3029
05:17:44,500 --> 05:17:47,480
So that would, it's closer to where the existing parking lot is.

3030
05:17:48,220 --> 05:17:48,620
Thank you.

3031
05:17:51,520 --> 05:17:51,960
Okay.

3032
05:17:52,180 --> 05:17:53,400
On the motion we'll go digitally.

3033
05:18:05,340 --> 05:18:06,360
All the way to the end.

3034
05:18:09,360 --> 05:18:10,220
Oh, that's awesome.

3035
05:18:10,420 --> 05:18:10,800
That's awesome.

3036
05:18:11,240 --> 05:18:11,620
10,000.

3037
05:18:12,300 --> 05:18:12,500
Yes.

3038
05:18:12,740 --> 05:18:13,180
He is.

3039
05:18:13,260 --> 05:18:14,040
It's 10,000.

3040
05:18:14,200 --> 05:18:15,440
Not 200,000.

3041
05:18:16,180 --> 05:18:16,400
Sorry.

3042
05:18:17,220 --> 05:18:18,220
Too late, I voted.

3043
05:18:32,940 --> 05:18:38,080
10,000. Those are some expensive cameras.

3044
05:18:38,480 --> 05:18:42,560
My apologies. I will cancel that and put the right one in.

3045
05:18:53,580 --> 05:18:56,460
Those cameras would have reached all the way over to the skate park.

3046
05:18:56,460 --> 05:18:59,320
I hope so.

3047
05:19:25,980 --> 05:19:29,740
That's carried 622, Opposed, Councilmember, and Councilmember Hoffman.

3048
05:19:33,150 --> 05:19:34,030
Councillor Santorosa.

3049
05:19:35,170 --> 05:19:35,430
Thank you.

3050
05:19:35,590 --> 05:19:41,710
I'm looking at page 151, item, M-AR, dash 26, dash 68, 61, the Marine Building and Launch

3051
05:19:41,710 --> 05:19:43,130
Area Concept Design Plan.

3052
05:19:43,130 --> 05:19:50,370
And I'm just wondering if that $40,000 contains sufficient funds to be able to go forward with public consultation.

3053
05:19:51,170 --> 05:19:55,970
I recognize that this was not included when we actually did the Lakeview Park Master Plan.

3054
05:19:56,330 --> 05:20:00,630
There are parts I think of the parking lot and things that were but

3055
05:20:00,630 --> 05:20:05,870
that Marina building itself was not, so I'm just curious if that'll include any public consultation for

3056
05:20:05,870 --> 05:20:07,830
whatever the future design concept will be.

3057
05:20:07,830 --> 05:20:08,530
Through

3058
05:20:13,110 --> 05:20:19,950
you, Madam Mayor, I'll have to get back to you on that, it was exactly what the 40,000 carry covers, apologies.

3059
05:20:24,090 --> 05:20:24,710
Thanks, Lecker.

3060
05:20:25,970 --> 05:20:33,790
On the same thing, could you, I guess, speak on future investment and development, what does that mean to you?

3061
05:20:34,450 --> 05:20:44,230
Or what does that mean to, like if we're not going to go into the community and let them know, because I kind of have a nervous edge with the word development.

3062
05:20:44,230 --> 05:20:47,930
and I have a nervous edge with the future investment words and

3063
05:20:48,650 --> 05:20:51,070
and some of those things places we've been lately.

3064
05:20:55,380 --> 05:21:00,100
Through you Madam Mayor, I believe it will look at opportunities too.

3065
05:21:00,320 --> 05:21:07,000
I think there was some discussion at some point about some funding sources might be looking at

3066
05:21:07,000 --> 05:21:10,860
something like that as an option for future development potentially.

3067
05:21:11,460 --> 05:21:14,460
Could you explain what funding sources means?

3068
05:21:14,460 --> 05:21:21,940
It's not coming from lakeshore, sponsors, land rentals, those types of things, potentially.

3069
05:21:26,360 --> 05:21:35,740
Thank you. Looking at PRK 1863-62 at the top of the page 152, the garbage receptacles, 15,000,

3070
05:21:36,180 --> 05:21:41,660
do we know roughly what that budget would cover, like how many, in terms of installation?

3071
05:21:47,490 --> 05:21:55,630
to you, Madam Mayor. That will cover roughly 10 receptacles per year.

3072
05:21:57,850 --> 05:22:03,170
Wonderful. In terms of a level of service at this point, do we have a deep receptacle now available

3073
05:22:03,170 --> 05:22:09,230
in most of our parks? Yes, we're getting there. Now we're getting to the point where

3074
05:22:09,230 --> 05:22:17,550
where we're able to get rid of the existing above-ground garbage receptacles.

3075
05:22:18,210 --> 05:22:24,010
That's great news because the complaints that we get on the others are almost gone now

3076
05:22:24,010 --> 05:22:27,890
and we have these deep receptacles now in all of the other spots.

3077
05:22:28,130 --> 05:22:30,990
So those that are getting them net new, it's fantastic.

3078
05:22:31,390 --> 05:22:32,950
So thanks to C, good investment.

3079
05:22:34,310 --> 05:22:35,090
Councillor Kerr.

3080
05:22:41,510 --> 05:22:52,270
I would like to add a little friendly amendment to that that says we will have full community

3081
05:22:52,270 --> 05:22:57,850
engagement. We will go to the public. We will ask them. They will be involved. Could we

3082
05:22:57,850 --> 05:22:59,590
We do that. I get a seconder on that.

3083
05:23:09,060 --> 05:23:10,200
Seconded by Councillor Voglian.

3084
05:23:26,700 --> 05:23:29,480
Any comments, questions? Seeing none.

3085
05:23:36,290 --> 05:23:37,090
Councillor Sainte-Rosa.

3086
05:23:37,910 --> 05:23:42,010
I'm in support of the motion for the concept of going out to the public and having this consultation.

3087
05:23:42,010 --> 05:23:47,430
I think my big fear when we look at something like this is this is not a part of the overall,

3088
05:23:47,430 --> 05:23:51,590
say Lakeview Park Master Plan. My fear is going out into public engagement.

3089
05:23:51,770 --> 05:23:55,850
We will get an absolute laundry list of things that the public will hope to see.

3090
05:23:55,850 --> 05:24:01,770
when the future council may really choose to put a limited budget into restoration of the current facility

3091
05:24:01,770 --> 05:24:10,690
to make sure that the fire escape is compliant and that we can get back into, you know, maybe make it accessible by putting, you know, a lift or something like that in.

3092
05:24:11,170 --> 05:24:19,090
But I really don't want to see this come back at millions of dollars unless we're going to see that public private partnership, which we weren't lucky enough to see in sparks.

3093
05:24:19,090 --> 05:24:24,870
So that's my only concern and I just want to air it now knowing that if we're going into public consultation

3094
05:24:24,870 --> 05:24:32,250
I think we need to be prepared as the municipality and and let the future council kind of talk about what some of those limitations might be

3095
05:24:32,250 --> 05:24:40,610
And what our hopes are going into this is a municipality if it isn't demolition and full reconstruction because we know what's in the parks

3096
05:24:40,610 --> 05:24:42,170
Reserve and new facilities

3097
05:24:42,950 --> 05:24:45,090
Funds and we have a lot of competing priorities

3098
05:24:45,530 --> 05:24:51,330
I think I tend to agree in terms of also wanting a good understanding of what the scope

3099
05:24:51,330 --> 05:24:55,590
of work is that we're asking for because I think sometimes members of council get a surprise

3100
05:24:55,590 --> 05:25:01,270
that we were asking for some of the things in the scope of work and we're not aware that

3101
05:25:01,270 --> 05:25:04,170
we were asking for all of that, right, until the residents are coming and saying, what

3102
05:25:04,170 --> 05:25:07,790
is all of this scope of work? And you're like, ah, it wasn't quite what I was looking for.

3103
05:25:08,250 --> 05:25:13,550
And in this case, I think the conversations around the table have been, should we get a concept

3104
05:25:13,550 --> 05:25:23,130
up design on what a building would look like that meets the needs of our staff, right?

3105
05:25:23,350 --> 05:25:27,390
We are really not looking at, are we replacing a restaurant, are we replacing a community

3106
05:25:27,390 --> 05:25:28,230
building, are we?

3107
05:25:28,450 --> 05:25:33,350
The conversation has been around, how will we address our staff team that is there?

3108
05:25:33,570 --> 05:25:38,330
And then at some point, how will we address the demolition of the building that is currently

3109
05:25:38,670 --> 05:25:39,250
at the end?

3110
05:25:39,250 --> 05:25:52,010
So we should also make sure that potentially the scope of work comes back so that the expectations amongst members of council are the same, because I don't know that all members are actually aligned in what we think we're asking for.

3111
05:25:53,770 --> 05:25:54,450
Deputy Mayor.

3112
05:25:57,240 --> 05:26:00,420
Yeah, I'm just concerned with it having a full and open process.

3113
05:26:00,680 --> 05:26:06,500
I mean, we're representing the people now actually, but I've kind of fallen up on what you say and what Councillor Santa Rosa said.

3114
05:26:06,500 --> 05:26:13,600
I think if we don't have some kind of a plan, then people are going to, you know, the

3115
05:26:13,600 --> 05:26:17,680
skies the limit type thing, and then they're going to be, I think it could turn into something

3116
05:26:17,680 --> 05:26:23,340
that we can't afford to begin with. I think we need to have some limits on it. So that's

3117
05:26:23,340 --> 05:26:25,240
my concern with it until we get something back.

3118
05:26:25,960 --> 05:26:30,460
If it's not going to be something we're actually going to fund, we shouldn't be saying that

3119
05:26:30,460 --> 05:26:34,640
let's get a picture of something again that we aren't going to fund, and then knowing

3120
05:26:34,640 --> 05:26:37,560
what that is. It's just a lot of false promises in the community.

3121
05:26:38,000 --> 05:26:40,840
Councillor Santorosa. Thank you, and I recognize thank you. I recognize

3122
05:26:40,840 --> 05:26:45,600
that Councillor Roglar had her hand up to you. I think what I'm hearing and we have a motion

3123
05:26:45,600 --> 05:26:50,360
on the floor to go out and do the public consultation. I'm supportive of that. I'm wondering if the

3124
05:26:50,360 --> 05:26:55,880
mover and seconder would be okay with making sure that scope of work comes back, potentially

3125
05:26:55,880 --> 05:27:00,320
allowing the next council to dictate some design options and then consult on those pieces

3126
05:27:00,320 --> 05:27:05,100
is to make sure that whatever the final approval is there before coming back to council is there

3127
05:27:05,100 --> 05:27:10,880
so that we integrate some control around scope. We have some design funded and then we get that

3128
05:27:10,880 --> 05:27:13,160
community consultation baked in as well.

3129
05:27:17,140 --> 05:27:20,480
I just want us to go to the public. I was out of meeting

3130
05:27:20,480 --> 05:27:25,280
a couple of weeks ago and it wasn't pretty over a park. This is another park and I just don't want

3131
05:27:25,280 --> 05:27:25,880
to relive it.

3132
05:27:28,730 --> 05:27:32,450
So we're saying the same thing but an opposite front, Mr. Simons.

3133
05:27:35,690 --> 05:27:47,450
So, I did work early in the year with Alex and on Veld Communications team, so we did do a call out to voters and residents to do a survey.

3134
05:27:47,730 --> 05:27:53,650
So, we have about 500 plus responses that we haven't fleshed out quite yet or went through.

3135
05:27:53,650 --> 05:28:08,110
So that would likely be our basis for what we would do in directing a consultant to come in and help us look at what we can put together for potential public consultation.

3136
05:28:08,590 --> 05:28:20,610
So I think in line with the clarity of the motion on the table with how that's identified or how that's described, I think we're kind of moving down that path.

3137
05:28:20,610 --> 05:28:28,470
So we can certainly incorporate the survey, along with public consultation with any sort of design that we consider.

3138
05:28:31,560 --> 05:28:32,940
So it won't hurt us to ask again.

3139
05:28:33,480 --> 05:28:33,840
Thank you.

3140
05:28:36,410 --> 05:28:36,970
Councilor Bogler.

3141
05:28:37,510 --> 05:28:43,130
Thanks. I think my issue is, and I think it's maybe the larger issue, is the wording where it specifically says concept plan.

3142
05:28:43,590 --> 05:28:47,890
And when you call something a concept plan once again, we don't want to repeat what happened with Oakwood Park.

3143
05:28:48,390 --> 05:28:52,850
When we tell people, well, we will come to you when we have a concept plan, it feels like it's too late.

3144
05:28:52,850 --> 05:28:59,450
So again, I think it has to be more prescriptive to say either we want the project to bring

3145
05:28:59,450 --> 05:29:05,250
options, not develop, bring options, then community consult, and then do a concept plan.

3146
05:29:05,470 --> 05:29:09,430
Like I think I don't know if maybe the whole thing needs to be deferred and further investigated

3147
05:29:09,810 --> 05:29:14,450
because I think this language is problematic for a number of us for a number of different

3148
05:29:14,450 --> 05:29:14,850
reasons.

3149
05:29:15,410 --> 05:29:16,170
So if I can,

3150
05:29:18,430 --> 05:29:22,610
I don't want to squash your motion, but it would be my recommendation that we

3151
05:29:22,610 --> 05:29:26,870
We remove this, defer it, bring it to a regular council meeting, or we can have a more

3152
05:29:26,870 --> 05:29:30,610
full-sum conversation about what we're actually looking for, and then go from there.

3153
05:29:31,090 --> 05:29:37,570
Because to me, when you say concept plan, that's implying that we're throwing the baby

3154
05:29:37,570 --> 05:29:40,370
out with the bath water and potentially starting over, and I think we're going to get in big

3155
05:29:40,370 --> 05:29:40,670
trouble.

3156
05:29:42,210 --> 05:29:48,030
Especially if what we're talking about is our staffing laundry facilities in some showers versus

3157
05:29:48,030 --> 05:29:52,130
is a concept plan that is some type of new facility one moment to our clerk.

3158
05:29:54,950 --> 05:29:59,870
Thank you Madam Mayor, I was just going to clarify and again council can make.

3159
05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:17,060
The decision to remove or not. But if the mover seconder wanted to, you could clarify this to say, clarify that the item, M-A-R-2666860 include public consultation after preliminary scope of work is presented to council for consideration.

3160
05:30:24,000 --> 05:30:35,360
Okay. I just worry the in between five. I worry about the in between time. Okay. I can I can live with that. But I just like I said, I just worry because I.

3161
05:30:35,360 --> 05:30:35,780
I

3162
05:30:37,960 --> 05:30:39,900
have an opinion on this.

3163
05:30:42,750 --> 05:30:43,590
That's just silence.

3164
05:30:44,790 --> 05:30:49,530
Could it be an option for administration to come back with a report outlining the details

3165
05:30:49,530 --> 05:30:52,990
of the survey that's already been completed and then seek direction from there?

3166
05:30:53,890 --> 05:30:54,130
Yes.

3167
05:30:57,250 --> 05:31:00,150
I can go with what the clerk just mentioned in between.

3168
05:31:00,630 --> 05:31:04,430
Because you already have that data and if we need to go back out it could be fine that there's

3169
05:31:04,430 --> 05:31:07,430
a reason to go back out that's what she's basically opening that door to.

3170
05:31:07,430 --> 05:31:25,630
So, what Mark just mentioned, I think that's workable, but that's, before we spend a lot of money, we will know what we're going to, who wants the sponsor, because I think there's a big difference, too.

3171
05:31:25,830 --> 05:31:33,170
Nobody's going to sponsor a Marina laundry mat. I don't think that's what we're asking for. And yeah, you're shaking head and no as well.

3172
05:31:33,170 --> 05:31:38,290
So, I think there's something, and it's just—anyway, I want the residents to be involved

3173
05:31:38,990 --> 05:31:40,290
as much as possible.

3174
05:31:41,950 --> 05:31:44,010
So, that motion, that change, I can do it with.

3175
05:31:44,630 --> 05:31:45,170
So, second.

3176
05:31:45,330 --> 05:31:46,430
Yes, the motion, sir.

3177
05:31:47,110 --> 05:31:47,370
Definitely.

3178
05:31:48,470 --> 05:31:48,890
Definitely.

3179
05:31:49,170 --> 05:31:49,970
I can make it by the time I die.

3180
05:31:51,230 --> 05:31:51,790
All right.

3181
05:31:51,950 --> 05:31:54,530
So, Councillor Vogler, your second stays in place.

3182
05:31:54,690 --> 05:31:56,890
Any comments, questions on the motion, specifically?

3183
05:31:58,050 --> 05:31:58,670
Seeing none.

3184
05:31:58,830 --> 05:31:59,390
We'll vote digitally.

3185
05:32:11,580 --> 05:32:14,880
Councilor Rustin, I had you next as soon as I carry this vote.

3186
05:32:16,580 --> 05:32:17,320
That's carried.

3187
05:32:17,460 --> 05:32:18,620
It's your own, Councilor Rustin.

3188
05:32:20,060 --> 05:32:31,520
Yeah, I want to move to page 152 item PRK-26-6865, replacement of multi-purpose utility

3189
05:32:31,520 --> 05:32:32,220
trap there.

3190
05:32:35,540 --> 05:32:36,840
What year is this?

3191
05:32:37,020 --> 05:32:41,300
Are we having lots of trouble or is this something we can put off for a year or two?

3192
05:32:43,780 --> 05:32:46,600
I'm not 100% sure what year the tractor is.

3193
05:32:49,280 --> 05:32:53,300
Sorry, through you, Mayor and Councillor Rustin, I'm not exactly sure what year this

3194
05:32:53,300 --> 05:32:58,220
tractor is. I know we are. It is going to the shop a lot for repairs these days.

3195
05:32:58,520 --> 05:33:05,060
It is a, I believe, a 35-horse Massey Ferguson. It's just, it's not quite robust enough for what those

3196
05:33:05,060 --> 05:33:05,880
guys are using it for.

3197
05:33:12,000 --> 05:33:17,060
Thank you for that. I'm still going to, it's been working for what we need and

3198
05:33:17,060 --> 05:33:22,820
And I think we can get one more year out of it, at least I'm hoping.

3199
05:33:23,220 --> 05:33:28,840
So I am going to put a motion on the floor that we remove the placement of the tractor.

3200
05:33:29,340 --> 05:33:36,700
And at the same time, we reduce the reserve transfer to vehicle equipment reserves for

3201
05:33:36,700 --> 05:33:39,940
one year of the same total of $80,000.

3202
05:33:41,240 --> 05:33:45,600
Okay, so move second by. Councillor Hoffman,

3203
05:33:51,480 --> 05:33:55,480
comments, questions on the motion? Seeing none,

3204
05:33:55,640 --> 05:33:57,260
we'll vote digitally when you're ready.

3205
05:34:08,130 --> 05:34:08,750
Councillor Vogler?

3206
05:34:10,590 --> 05:34:12,910
Okay, I'll wait for the vote. Sorry.

3207
05:34:14,970 --> 05:34:17,930
And that's carried 7-1. One opposed, Councillor McNamara.

3208
05:34:19,820 --> 05:34:24,980
Thanks. It's a small one, but PRK266864.

3209
05:34:24,980 --> 05:34:32,200
I'm considering what we just discussed about the marina and potential scope of work, etc.

3210
05:34:32,480 --> 05:34:37,600
It feels a little premature for me to spend $20,000 on a parking study for that particular

3211
05:34:37,600 --> 05:34:41,600
space, so I would ask to remove that at this time and bring it back at future budget year.

3212
05:34:43,990 --> 05:34:44,850
So move second and buy,

3213
05:34:47,040 --> 05:34:48,140
Councillor Kerr.

3214
05:34:50,190 --> 05:34:51,490
Question to administration.

3215
05:34:52,770 --> 05:34:58,070
I know that we've had some pretty significant conversations that relate to parking and

3216
05:34:58,070 --> 05:35:04,170
a thought of some real challenges in terms of the congestion of boats with trailers.

3217
05:35:04,810 --> 05:35:09,430
I'm wondering whether or not this budget center is relating back to those boat and trailer

3218
05:35:09,430 --> 05:35:14,570
discussions where there was a little bit of talk about potentially being able to shift

3219
05:35:14,570 --> 05:35:19,390
the boats with trailers down towards the water treatment facility that's there.

3220
05:35:19,830 --> 05:35:22,910
Is this part of what that thought process could look like?

3221
05:35:22,910 --> 05:35:23,930
Through

3222
05:35:26,490 --> 05:35:47,270
you, Madam Mayor, the idea would be part and parcel, I think, with the potential of what the Marina property itself could potentially turn into in the layout of it as well as the existing use of the park there and the demands down there in season.

3223
05:35:47,270 --> 05:35:52,990
and I think it's all kind of part and parcel to each other is kind of the idea behind it.

3224
05:35:53,210 --> 05:35:58,890
One focus is on the parking for the trail, which would incorporate what modifications we might

3225
05:35:58,890 --> 05:36:06,410
potentially be able to make to the Marina parking and challenges we have there. So I don't know if

3226
05:36:06,410 --> 05:36:12,310
that answers your question, but I think they are tied together. Thank you. I suspect that this also

3227
05:36:12,310 --> 05:36:17,250
ties into some of the other discussions about how we could realize things like different

3228
05:36:17,250 --> 05:36:21,670
different types of food networks and food utilities that go in there as well.

3229
05:36:21,990 --> 05:36:28,710
So there may be some challenges to realizing some great opportunities if this is removed.

3230
05:36:29,090 --> 05:36:29,690
So, okay.

3231
05:36:29,970 --> 05:36:30,490
Thank you.

3232
05:36:31,510 --> 05:36:32,870
Other comments or questions?

3233
05:36:34,330 --> 05:36:35,050
Councillor McNamara.

3234
05:36:35,670 --> 05:36:40,210
I'm not going to support this because of the fact that this has been a multi-year issue with

3235
05:36:40,210 --> 05:36:40,970
parking in the region.

3236
05:36:41,090 --> 05:36:44,990
I think we need to actually put some work ahead to finding a solution there.

3237
05:36:49,240 --> 05:36:54,340
I was going to support it, but I've had some second thoughts.

3238
05:36:54,840 --> 05:37:03,740
The question I ask here as part of this, would it be something that we also with the study look at possible pay for park down there some because I would like to see that.

3239
05:37:04,000 --> 05:37:06,680
I know I've said it before, so just something.

3240
05:37:12,570 --> 05:37:19,910
So I guess I just will ask whether or not that will be something that is observed within that study then.

3241
05:37:19,910 --> 05:37:20,870
Through

3242
05:37:22,880 --> 05:37:27,160
you, I believe that could be something that we ask in review.

3243
05:37:27,840 --> 05:37:28,000
All right.

3244
05:37:28,700 --> 05:37:29,480
Motion's withdrawn.

3245
05:37:30,640 --> 05:37:38,520
Can you walk us through, please, PRK266866, top of page 153 as it relates to Lakeview Park

3246
05:37:38,520 --> 05:37:40,940
upgrades funded by the Community Benefit Reserve.

3247
05:37:52,020 --> 05:37:53,820
Through you, Mayor, to council.

3248
05:37:53,820 --> 05:38:04,300
So this is to update Lakeview Park, the splash pad is outdated, we would put a new above

3249
05:38:04,300 --> 05:38:12,360
ground feature on the splash pad, we're using the existing drainage, we'll also replace

3250
05:38:12,360 --> 05:38:21,120
the place structures, improved safety accessibility, the restrooms are also in need of upgrades

3251
05:38:21,120 --> 05:38:31,580
and replacements. They need to be more vandal proof just to increase the service ability.

3252
05:38:33,220 --> 05:38:40,000
Thank you. I'm happy to see this work in the budget. I think it's great. My question was

3253
05:38:40,000 --> 05:38:45,860
really going to be around the vandal proofing because I think that we were under a wrongful assumption

3254
05:38:45,860 --> 05:38:50,760
when we rolled out some of the digital abilities to be able to lock the doors and that kind of stuff

3255
05:38:50,760 --> 05:38:55,820
at a certain time. I think some of us thought that the doors would close. They would be locked up

3256
05:38:55,820 --> 05:39:01,360
at a certain time and that would help with the vandalism that we've experienced. But the reality

3257
05:39:01,360 --> 05:39:06,620
is is that somewhere along the way that gets blocked and my understanding, you know, back at

3258
05:39:06,620 --> 05:39:11,100
implementation was somebody got a message somewhere that said, you know, the door is still a jar

3259
05:39:11,100 --> 05:39:16,740
and we would take care of it mysteriously. But that was a false dream because really they can

3260
05:39:16,740 --> 05:39:21,480
maintain the door by putting a pebble in it or something like that and returning later to

3261
05:39:22,020 --> 05:39:26,120
the bathroom facility and causing some some vandalism in there. So I hope that there is

3262
05:39:26,120 --> 05:39:30,940
something that will help us to address once the doors are locked, they're locked and vandalism

3263
05:39:30,940 --> 05:39:32,900
window narrows down a little bit.

3264
05:39:36,620 --> 05:39:39,940
Yes, we'll definitely look into monitoring the locking system on

3265
05:39:39,940 --> 05:39:40,480
those bathrooms.

3266
05:39:42,980 --> 05:39:47,120
Everyone knows the struggle we've had maintaining those bathrooms. The guys will go

3267
05:39:47,120 --> 05:39:50,500
We'll fix a stall door and fix it again the week following week.

3268
05:39:52,060 --> 05:39:52,900
Thank you.

3269
05:39:53,800 --> 05:39:54,680
That's the rest in.

3270
05:39:57,590 --> 05:40:06,970
On page 152, item PRK-26-6603, the tree planning program, I'd just like to see that deferred

3271
05:40:06,970 --> 05:40:10,330
until we get the information back from ERCA as well if I got a seconder.

3272
05:40:11,570 --> 05:40:12,750
So move seconded by,

3273
05:40:16,070 --> 05:40:16,670
Councillor Kerr.

3274
05:40:19,080 --> 05:40:19,800
Motion to defer.

3275
05:40:23,100 --> 05:40:28,360
I think I like the idea that you brought forward a couple of meetings ago or last meeting.

3276
05:40:29,100 --> 05:40:33,700
And I actually thought it was good use when you mentioned one of the parks that could

3277
05:40:33,700 --> 05:40:34,640
possibly be used.

3278
05:40:34,640 --> 05:40:36,180
And I think it's a fantastic idea.

3279
05:40:36,380 --> 05:40:41,160
So that's the reason why I second this because I think that we could be right on top of it.

3280
05:40:41,220 --> 05:40:45,380
Windsor has its own little area that they grow and they do their own stuff.

3281
05:40:45,380 --> 05:40:49,880
And I think, you know, I just think it's a great idea if we could do it, especially if

3282
05:40:49,880 --> 05:40:50,940
Ergo's going to work with us.

3283
05:40:55,960 --> 05:40:57,340
Well, vote digitally when you're ready.

3284
05:41:14,350 --> 05:41:15,370
And that's carried eight zero.

3285
05:41:17,900 --> 05:41:21,980
Councillor Santorosa, thank you Madam Mayor, three U. Can I just have administration walk

3286
05:41:21,980 --> 05:41:28,040
us through RDS-196456, the Amy Croft intersection improvements at Manning Road, please?

3287
05:41:28,820 --> 05:41:29,980
You know, high price today.

3288
05:41:30,100 --> 05:41:33,740
We're looking at $1.8 million, and I'm just looking for a little bit more detail.

3289
05:41:33,900 --> 05:41:34,120
That's all.

3290
05:41:41,230 --> 05:41:41,910
Thank you, Mayor.

3291
05:41:41,910 --> 05:41:49,870
through you to Councillor Sensorosa. So, just maybe a bit of a long story unusual

3292
05:41:49,870 --> 05:42:01,950
from me. The Amycroft design and budget for this project was set in 2020, as we know,

3293
05:42:02,670 --> 05:42:07,850
co-heated us just around the time of the budget. So, cost of increase as a result of that.

3294
05:42:07,850 --> 05:42:13,230
and I know that that's kind of an old story and we keep using it. However, the project

3295
05:42:14,210 --> 05:42:19,290
was put on hold pending the commercial boulevard extension, which is what was called

3296
05:42:19,290 --> 05:42:27,190
lignage during the work. However, during that period, until we finalised the design, we

3297
05:42:29,130 --> 05:42:35,970
went ahead with some utility relocations. One of the major items was Hydro is now underground all

3298
05:42:35,970 --> 05:42:40,490
the way to the SPAR. I forget the name of the SPAR there. So a considerable amount

3299
05:42:40,490 --> 05:42:47,830
of dollars has been spent, obviously, on prepping for some of this work. The work to

3300
05:42:47,830 --> 05:42:55,570
be done there is to convert the intersection to maybe wrong, but I think it's four lanes

3301
05:42:55,570 --> 05:43:02,310
out, two lanes in, which is obviously going to be a huge improvement at that location,

3302
05:43:02,310 --> 05:43:08,170
as well as sidewalks which we don't have in some of the north sides.

3303
05:43:09,270 --> 05:43:16,530
So, this budget that we're looking at right now is to not only recover the costs of the increase

3304
05:43:16,530 --> 05:43:25,930
since we set this budget in 2020, but it's also to recover the costs of some of the work that has already been done

3305
05:43:25,930 --> 05:43:27,310
and eaten away at that budget.

3306
05:43:27,310 --> 05:43:39,600
Thank you. I just want to return quickly to PRK266603, the deferral for the trees. I just wanted to return to you, CFO.

3307
05:43:40,840 --> 05:43:51,120
That one we can't take a base budget reduction. As even though it says at one time, there's actually no funding that goes from the base budget in, so you can't cut something that doesn't exist.

3308
05:43:51,120 --> 05:43:53,440
I just wanted to be clear on that.

3309
05:43:53,720 --> 05:43:56,220
So there can't be a $10,000 reduction.

3310
05:43:57,000 --> 05:44:00,680
The motion, I know the wording didn't say one time reduction,

3311
05:44:00,820 --> 05:44:02,020
but what council voted on did.

3312
05:44:03,040 --> 05:44:04,860
The clerks motion was that.

3313
05:44:05,240 --> 05:44:09,320
So the last one we just voted on,

3314
05:44:10,180 --> 05:44:11,980
there's no contribution to cut.

3315
05:44:13,360 --> 05:44:15,200
So it's just a deferral.

3316
05:44:15,380 --> 05:44:17,740
So the motion as presented,

3317
05:44:17,740 --> 05:44:21,220
that the council voted on was incorrect.

3318
05:44:21,480 --> 05:44:22,840
So it's just a deferral motion.

3319
05:44:23,120 --> 05:44:24,900
So we're going to capture it as such.

3320
05:44:25,160 --> 05:44:26,940
I just wanted to make sure we're clear on that.

3321
05:44:27,020 --> 05:44:30,240
Yes, so we will change those on us to say defer only.

3322
05:44:31,200 --> 05:44:32,480
It is getting late.

3323
05:44:32,840 --> 05:44:36,320
So let the records show that the minutes

3324
05:44:36,320 --> 05:44:38,420
will reflect a deferral only.

3325
05:44:38,920 --> 05:44:39,500
Thank you.

3326
05:44:39,740 --> 05:44:41,240
I just want to make sure I'm saying it out loud.

3327
05:44:44,150 --> 05:44:44,930
Councillor Restan.

3328
05:44:44,930 --> 05:44:55,910
On page 154, the item is RDS-21-6551.

3329
05:44:55,910 --> 05:44:59,770
The annual gravel roads converge.

3330
05:45:00,600 --> 05:45:29,940
I'm seeing here that in this budget, we're doing a lot of work on previously tart and chip roads, and that we're only going to look at spending $305,000 this year on them. I would like to do one time reserve cut of $440,000 into the gravel roads conversion fund. It will still leave 1.7 million roughly after we do this year's work in there to reflect us not spending that money each.

3331
05:45:29,940 --> 05:45:36,980
year on that. So just a one-time reserve reversal of 440 and it hurt me a lot to do that.

3332
05:45:38,200 --> 05:45:40,300
So moved second by Councillor Vogler.

3333
05:45:42,040 --> 05:45:48,540
Councillor Kerr. Sorry, the same question. Where does that 440 go? Does that go back to the taxpayer?

3334
05:45:48,860 --> 05:45:49,660
Is that the back reserve?

3335
05:45:52,300 --> 05:45:55,640
Not the levy, the reserve. No, it was a reserve transfer.

3336
05:45:55,640 --> 05:45:59,080
Oh, it's just transferring it back. Just leave it all on that instead of doing it.

3337
05:45:59,420 --> 05:46:02,440
You said yes in his over-excitement told me he thought, lovey.

3338
05:46:02,900 --> 05:46:04,660
Well, no, it actually added confusion.

3339
05:46:04,900 --> 05:46:07,860
Like the world said, we're going to give it back to the taxpayer.

3340
05:46:08,200 --> 05:46:09,800
Maybe, but we're not.

3341
05:46:10,380 --> 05:46:12,140
Further comments, questions on that one?

3342
05:46:19,410 --> 05:46:20,510
Councillor Santa Rosa?

3343
05:46:21,270 --> 05:46:22,410
Yeah, I'm just looking for clarification.

3344
05:46:22,650 --> 05:46:23,630
Is Councillor Rustin looking?

3345
05:46:24,230 --> 05:46:28,290
We have a contribution to the gravel road conversion reserve of 845.

3346
05:46:28,970 --> 05:46:32,050
you're reducing that to 440 or by 440.

3347
05:46:32,190 --> 05:46:34,210
Sorry, it's reducing by 440.

3348
05:46:34,610 --> 05:46:34,690
Okay.

3349
05:46:34,790 --> 05:46:38,270
Because with what we're spending and like it will offset it.

3350
05:46:38,350 --> 05:46:41,090
So that contribution, the remaining contribution,

3351
05:46:41,090 --> 05:46:44,950
so 405,000 would go back to the levy now.

3352
05:46:45,210 --> 05:46:48,730
Yes, one time reversal of 440.

3353
05:46:49,110 --> 05:46:49,410
Sorry.

3354
05:46:50,230 --> 05:46:54,930
I'm reducing the reserve transfer by 440 for one time.

3355
05:46:56,240 --> 05:46:59,140
That goes back to the levy, the 440.

3356
05:46:59,240 --> 05:47:00,200
The levy, the tax rate.

3357
05:47:00,280 --> 05:47:00,440
Yes.

3358
05:47:00,760 --> 05:47:01,020
Okay.

3359
05:47:01,020 --> 05:47:02,080
The budget, today's budget.

3360
05:47:02,220 --> 05:47:02,380
Yes.

3361
05:47:02,700 --> 05:47:03,300
Today's number.

3362
05:47:03,980 --> 05:47:05,300
There's my confusion now.

3363
05:47:05,480 --> 05:47:05,900
Does that help?

3364
05:47:07,440 --> 05:47:08,380
Councilor McNamara.

3365
05:47:10,600 --> 05:47:12,560
I might have a motion after.

3366
05:47:13,840 --> 05:47:14,260
Okay.

3367
05:47:14,360 --> 05:47:16,220
Let me pause this for a second.

3368
05:47:16,420 --> 05:47:18,420
So I want to put forward a motion.

3369
05:47:18,860 --> 05:47:20,900
If depending on what happens here,

3370
05:47:20,920 --> 05:47:22,900
but my motion was to take the,

3371
05:47:23,200 --> 05:47:24,520
there's a $305,000.

3372
05:47:24,520 --> 05:47:29,200
all is going to be spent on the gravel road conversion program this year. My motion was

3373
05:47:29,200 --> 05:47:35,220
to pause the gravel road conversion until we can come up with a gravel road conversion policy

3374
05:47:36,000 --> 05:47:42,280
and take that 305,000 and add it to the life cycle for surface treatment programs so that we can

3375
05:47:42,280 --> 05:47:48,500
catch up on the roads that we've already converted. So I don't know, I wanted to put that out there.

3376
05:47:48,820 --> 05:47:52,820
If you want yours to stand, that's fine. We can just leave mine to stand and then we'll talk about

3377
05:47:52,820 --> 05:47:54,740
years if that's okay.

3378
05:47:56,760 --> 05:48:00,240
Okay on the motion. We'll vote digitally now.

3379
05:48:25,190 --> 05:48:26,670
Just an update while we're

3380
05:48:26,670 --> 05:48:35,930
waiting for the vote to carry that right now we are at 2.75 and that's carried 80. And now you're

3381
05:48:35,930 --> 05:48:43,970
at 1.72, that's after growth, yeah, 1.72 after growth.

3382
05:48:45,290 --> 05:48:46,170
Councillor McNamara.

3383
05:48:47,670 --> 05:48:55,390
So I would like to, on, I'm sorry, on item RDS21-6551, the 305,000 that would be going

3384
05:48:55,390 --> 05:49:01,630
into grab-road conversions this year, I would like to pause that and move that 305,000 into

3385
05:49:01,630 --> 05:49:08,310
to the life cycle surface treatment program, so with adding an addition, so backing out

3386
05:49:08,310 --> 05:49:15,530
that money and putting it into the surface treatment road program and then the reason

3387
05:49:15,530 --> 05:49:19,670
why I want to do that is I think we need an actual gravel road conversion policy moving

3388
05:49:19,670 --> 05:49:24,890
forward, especially looking at our roads need study that came out and we need to be putting

3389
05:49:24,890 --> 05:49:29,990
more money into the surface treated roads so we can bring them up to a relatively decent

3390
05:49:29,990 --> 05:49:32,750
and standard before we started adding additional roads to the network.

3391
05:49:33,490 --> 05:49:34,650
Thank you, seconded by,

3392
05:49:38,490 --> 05:49:39,310
Councillor Hoffman.

3393
05:49:41,070 --> 05:49:41,530
CFO?

3394
05:49:43,880 --> 05:49:44,540
No concerns.

3395
05:49:45,040 --> 05:49:45,280
Thank you.

3396
05:49:45,980 --> 05:49:46,600
Councillor Kerr.

3397
05:49:47,460 --> 05:49:48,060
Yeah, thank you.

3398
05:49:48,920 --> 05:49:50,720
This, I can't support the motion.

3399
05:49:51,240 --> 05:49:54,860
And the reason why I can't support the motion is because this is actually part of last

3400
05:49:55,440 --> 05:50:00,060
the five year road program that we just we put into and this is coming to the final year.

3401
05:50:00,460 --> 05:50:04,180
So this is the last year and then the new program we're going to learn about

3402
05:50:04,180 --> 05:50:11,340
in January February and we're going to move forward. So we need to continue. We need to have

3403
05:50:11,340 --> 05:50:17,840
do at least one road every year and that's what the 305 is. It's to at least do one road. So I'm

3404
05:50:17,840 --> 05:50:23,080
not interested in stopping the program for a one year breath of air just to find out

3405
05:50:23,960 --> 05:50:27,580
that we're going to do it the next year when this is part of the old plan.

3406
05:50:28,160 --> 05:50:33,780
Councillor Reston. I'm in echo those comments of Councillor Kerr there.

3407
05:50:34,940 --> 05:50:39,800
As for me, this is a big, this is like a pause for me doing one road because I've been

3408
05:50:39,800 --> 05:50:45,520
very much an advocate for this. So I'd like to at least like Councillor Kerr said do one

3409
05:50:45,520 --> 05:50:52,280
road still and continue with whatever our 3005,000 gets us. It gets us. So that's, that's

3410
05:50:52,800 --> 05:50:57,160
Thank you. Councillor Vogler. Thank you. I just like to know what the executive director

3411
05:50:57,160 --> 05:50:59,600
has to say because she has her hand up and I know she's going to have an opinion.

3412
05:50:59,960 --> 05:51:04,760
Good, Director. Thank you. I just wanted to confirm the road's needs study identified

3413
05:51:04,760 --> 05:51:10,660
the $305,000 per year. It doesn't mean that a road is going to get converted every year.

3414
05:51:11,240 --> 05:51:16,420
The cost of some of the roads to convert are higher, but it keeps putting the money in there to fund

3415
05:51:17,200 --> 05:51:22,880
the plan. So, I just want to confirm that, and that was clear in the road's neat study.

3416
05:51:24,320 --> 05:51:31,180
When I say roads, it's the continue the process of what we're doing until we get a grasp

3417
05:51:31,180 --> 05:51:32,140
of it.

3418
05:51:33,440 --> 05:51:34,160
Councillor McMahon.

3419
05:51:35,080 --> 05:51:38,960
Well, the reason why I bring this up is if you go through the road's neat study, what

3420
05:51:38,960 --> 05:51:42,760
we've been doing on surface treatment roads is not been adequate, and it's why the roads

3421
05:51:42,760 --> 05:51:47,560
are deteriorating faster than what the expected life cycle was. And so, I think we need an

3422
05:51:47,560 --> 05:51:53,360
actual policy in place to look at what we're doing, the actual cost to convert the roads

3423
05:51:53,360 --> 05:51:59,020
and I don't think it's been fully captured, as well as we don't have a life cycle management

3424
05:51:59,020 --> 05:52:05,000
plan to maintain those roads that we've already treated, and the additional cost is just

3425
05:52:05,000 --> 05:52:06,000
putting us further behind.

3426
05:52:06,680 --> 05:52:12,420
So I do think we need an official policy moving forward for us to do this, and that's why

3427
05:52:12,420 --> 05:52:13,280
I think we need to pause this.

3428
05:52:15,560 --> 05:52:17,840
Any other comments, questions on the motion?

3429
05:52:21,520 --> 05:52:22,060
A plea maired.

3430
05:52:23,520 --> 05:52:27,200
Just been flying the face of the motion that we just passed the Councilor Rustin made,

3431
05:52:27,340 --> 05:52:28,600
like was that 305?

3432
05:52:29,680 --> 05:52:30,400
That was 440.

3433
05:52:31,100 --> 05:52:32,360
This is what we budgeted.

3434
05:52:34,290 --> 05:52:37,270
So it didn't, your motion didn't deal with the 305?

3435
05:52:37,430 --> 05:52:40,510
No, that's still there for us to do grab a road conversion this year.

3436
05:52:40,790 --> 05:52:42,250
It was a transfer to the reserve.

3437
05:52:42,650 --> 05:52:45,390
We were transferred in 845 and only spent in 330.

3438
05:52:45,770 --> 05:52:46,770
So I did the difference.

3439
05:52:47,570 --> 05:52:48,150
Thank you.

3440
05:52:48,150 --> 05:52:50,750
Okay, on the motion we'll vote digitally now.

3441
05:52:55,660 --> 05:52:56,160
I apologize.

3442
05:52:56,340 --> 05:52:58,160
Could I just clarify?

3443
05:52:58,420 --> 05:52:59,420
Did we have a seconder on that motion?

3444
05:53:00,700 --> 05:53:00,960
Absolutely.

3445
05:53:01,560 --> 05:53:01,860
Thank you.

3446
05:53:03,000 --> 05:53:04,120
Oh, it was Hoffman.

3447
05:53:22,380 --> 05:53:22,900
Different.

3448
05:53:25,560 --> 05:53:27,600
That motion's lost 4-4.

3449
05:53:27,840 --> 05:53:32,680
4 opposed Councillor Vogler, Deputy Mayor Walsheg, Councillor Kerr, Councillor Reston.

3450
05:53:39,640 --> 05:53:46,520
I'd like to look at item RD720-6478 on page 154.

3451
05:53:46,520 --> 05:53:49,940
or the life cycle at fault in resurfacing program.

3452
05:53:50,360 --> 05:53:59,280
I would like to add the 970,000 that we cut off of Wallis line taken out of the road's

3453
05:53:59,280 --> 05:54:06,400
life cycle reserve and use that in addition to the 1.6 million.

3454
05:54:10,470 --> 05:54:17,190
Seconded by Councillor Sainte-Rosa, read back by our clerk for the benefit of our CFO.

3455
05:54:19,850 --> 05:54:24,470
Yes, it is. So if you could just say it one more time.

3456
05:54:24,830 --> 05:54:38,110
So what I want to do, so on item RDS-20-6478, add $970,000 to the 1.630-374.

3457
05:54:38,110 --> 05:54:41,490
five, taken from the road's life cycle reserve.

3458
05:54:42,850 --> 05:54:46,890
As we cut that off of the Wallis line one,

3459
05:54:47,070 --> 05:54:49,970
I want to use that money to put it back in the ground.

3460
05:54:59,260 --> 05:55:02,980
We'll just add on one time so it doesn't become a level of reserve.

3461
05:55:03,240 --> 05:55:03,620
One time.

3462
05:55:04,680 --> 05:55:06,440
We'll change our level of service.

3463
05:55:08,000 --> 05:55:10,900
This is just a short.

3464
05:55:16,580 --> 05:55:17,400
Seconded Director.

3465
05:55:18,560 --> 05:55:20,940
Through you, Mayor, I have to say this.

3466
05:55:21,820 --> 05:55:24,500
Right now, the increase is great.

3467
05:55:24,720 --> 05:55:26,320
I'm all for putting money in the roads.

3468
05:55:27,280 --> 05:55:28,280
You know me, I'd love it.

3469
05:55:29,340 --> 05:55:32,500
But we don't have the resources to do this work.

3470
05:55:33,760 --> 05:55:36,680
We keep putting forward a new supervisor of roads,

3471
05:55:36,720 --> 05:55:40,640
like this road's program, takes almost, you know,

3472
05:55:40,960 --> 05:55:46,640
probably 40% to 50% of our supervisor's time to manage the road's program.

3473
05:55:46,640 --> 05:55:49,440
and we do a lot of our own inspection works too.

3474
05:55:50,040 --> 05:55:52,900
Related to these, we don't hire a third-party consultant,

3475
05:55:53,080 --> 05:55:54,660
therefore the costs are lower.

3476
05:55:56,520 --> 05:55:59,760
But we keep putting forward the team leader for roads,

3477
05:56:00,020 --> 05:56:02,820
the second one to support all of these increases

3478
05:56:02,820 --> 05:56:07,320
and maintenance programs, and we're running really thin,

3479
05:56:07,460 --> 05:56:10,420
so I don't know if we can actually get this work done this year.

3480
05:56:10,640 --> 05:56:12,480
It may go into the following year,

3481
05:56:12,780 --> 05:56:13,820
so I just want it to.

3482
05:56:14,980 --> 05:56:16,340
Thank you, Councillor Rustin.

3483
05:56:17,340 --> 05:56:21,160
Yeah, it was the same thing we talked about last year, but I want to put it there.

3484
05:56:21,620 --> 05:56:24,180
I've got great faith, faith in Mr. Wilson.

3485
05:56:24,780 --> 05:56:29,280
He did a heck of a job last year because our tender did come in way under and we added

3486
05:56:29,280 --> 05:56:29,740
to it.

3487
05:56:30,020 --> 05:56:35,220
So I'm hopeful that we can do it and continue moving forward hard at this.

3488
05:56:35,340 --> 05:56:39,620
But no, I understand what you're saying there, but I'm sure we'll do our best to get what

3489
05:56:39,620 --> 05:56:39,960
we can.

3490
05:56:40,360 --> 05:56:40,620
Thank you.

3491
05:56:42,970 --> 05:56:48,690
Councillor Vogler. Thank you. Again, a question for the Executive Director because Councillor

3492
05:56:48,690 --> 05:56:54,350
Reston is putting all of this into all of this. Into asphalt resurfacing and I wonder if

3493
05:56:54,350 --> 05:56:57,390
it wouldn't have been better split between asphalt and surface treated.

3494
05:56:59,090 --> 05:57:02,490
Yeah, but still. I mean, so I guess the question is, where is the,

3495
05:57:02,650 --> 05:57:06,670
I understand we have a higher amount for surface treated, we also have significantly more service

3496
05:57:06,670 --> 05:57:10,990
treated roads. So my question is, where would the money, would the money better benefit

3497
05:57:10,990 --> 05:57:17,930
at asphalt and great, would it be better benefiting if it was split? What is your opinion of

3498
05:57:17,930 --> 05:57:19,010
the distribution of funds?

3499
05:57:35,050 --> 05:57:42,550
Okay, through you, Madam Mayor Tula, Councillor Vogler. So right now we got 3,831,000

3500
05:57:42,550 --> 05:57:50,770
in the life cycle surface treatment and 1.6. The 1.6 according to the road need study was reduced

3501
05:57:50,770 --> 05:57:55,130
from the 2.9, that was current, that was in the previous budgets.

3502
05:57:56,050 --> 05:57:58,550
So that has a reduction on the, on the ashtable part of it.

3503
05:57:59,050 --> 05:58:04,250
The 3.8, it should, should, should move us forward on the surface treatment.

3504
05:58:04,450 --> 05:58:05,970
So I think we're okay that way.

3505
05:58:06,470 --> 05:58:09,770
So I think the balance, the balance is, is, is pretty close.

3506
05:58:11,430 --> 05:58:13,310
And with that, we'll vote digitally now.

3507
05:58:17,430 --> 05:58:18,530
Make it a fancy one.

3508
05:58:37,640 --> 05:58:39,440
That's carried 8-0, Councillor Kerr.

3509
05:58:39,440 --> 05:58:41,540
I just have a question in the

3510
05:58:41,540 --> 05:58:43,460
miss call. We're about to get the

3511
05:58:43,460 --> 05:58:47,340
brand new updated, you know, this day forward roads need study.

3512
05:58:48,100 --> 05:58:52,040
If would any of these, will this list come forward?

3513
05:58:52,220 --> 05:58:55,960
Be ready. If there's any money left over that we could start on those roads.

3514
05:58:56,360 --> 05:59:00,660
And the reason why I'm asking is because I don't know if everyone on council knows that

3515
05:59:00,660 --> 05:59:04,240
eight of the worst ten roads on that list are in my ward.

3516
05:59:04,740 --> 05:59:06,580
So I'm kind of looking for the money.

3517
05:59:08,000 --> 05:59:11,260
Through you. Thank you, Councillor Kerr.

3518
05:59:12,980 --> 05:59:16,900
Yeah, you'll get the updated report once the Roads Need Study is supported. We'll come

3519
05:59:16,900 --> 05:59:20,380
up with a five-year plan, which we'll define what roads we're doing this year, and I'll

3520
05:59:20,380 --> 05:59:25,780
share that with Council. I do want to note that the report that went to Council for the

3521
05:59:25,780 --> 05:59:31,560
Roads Need is coming back on Tuesday. It also in the report notes that we do need a supervisor

3522
05:59:31,560 --> 05:59:36,500
of roads, we cannot keep the level of service up, I'm going to say that three or four times.

3523
05:59:37,240 --> 05:59:41,460
We cannot deliver these programs and keep the level of service up in the department.

3524
05:59:42,900 --> 05:59:49,480
And it was noted in the road's needs study as well, the report to council, so just to-

3525
05:59:51,180 --> 05:59:52,040
Why does it differ?

3526
06:00:00,000 --> 06:00:06,860
Thank you. Page 155, Councillor Meckermar. Just want to be preemptive since we're already

3527
06:00:06,860 --> 06:00:11,800
over time and I have a physical hard stop. I want to put forward a motion.

3528
06:00:14,160 --> 06:00:14,660
I'm going to

3529
06:00:14,660 --> 06:00:17,220
draw on a blank right now. Motion to adjourn at 4.30.

3530
06:00:20,450 --> 06:00:20,530
Okay.

3531
06:00:22,830 --> 06:00:25,130
On that, I'm going. Or recessed. Yeah.

3532
06:00:29,090 --> 06:00:34,190
So let's carry on then anything on page 155, Councillor Reston.

3533
06:00:35,810 --> 06:00:44,670
Item RDS-23-662, the Firmide Elimination Program, I'm just wondering, would we be beneficial

3534
06:00:44,670 --> 06:00:46,670
to bump that up to 40,000?

3535
06:00:47,170 --> 06:00:51,790
I know it has been working and I have been getting the comments from people about it, would

3536
06:00:51,790 --> 06:00:56,250
would it be beneficial with your guys planning if we bump that by 20?

3537
06:01:01,760 --> 06:01:04,200
Through your worship to Councilor Russin.

3538
06:01:04,580 --> 06:01:07,020
Actually, the program's working fairly well.

3539
06:01:08,580 --> 06:01:11,420
We're only spending, we're not quite spending a full 20,000.

3540
06:01:13,340 --> 06:01:17,700
There is a component afterwards about mowing that might be able to talk about afterwards,

3541
06:01:17,700 --> 06:01:19,620
but yeah, that's a good road carry now.

3542
06:01:19,800 --> 06:01:21,080
Okay, no, we'll leave it at that.

3543
06:01:21,080 --> 06:01:24,180
I just wanted to make sure because people haven't commented how good it's been working.

3544
06:01:24,540 --> 06:01:24,700
Great.

3545
06:01:25,300 --> 06:01:25,940
Councilor Kerr.

3546
06:01:25,940 --> 06:01:35,540
Hi, me again, Jeff. Are we doing it every year now? I believe the counties switched to every year. Have we joined them with the every year or are we still doing every two years?

3547
06:01:37,040 --> 06:01:44,060
Through your worship. Yeah, we've got a county group, like everybody in the minister in the Esk County's into it now.

3548
06:01:44,820 --> 06:01:52,880
So yeah, they've actually actually applying for more grants again this year, 2026. So yeah, everybody's involved in it.

3549
06:01:52,880 --> 06:01:54,300
It's a group effort for sure.

3550
06:01:55,660 --> 06:01:57,240
Further on page 155.

3551
06:02:02,520 --> 06:02:04,880
Seeing none on page 156.

3552
06:02:15,930 --> 06:02:17,030
And page 157.

3553
06:02:26,270 --> 06:02:27,790
One page 158.

3554
06:02:34,640 --> 06:02:38,560
See, I knew that your conversation over there was overruling my numbers.

3555
06:02:38,760 --> 06:02:40,340
I'm on page 158.

3556
06:02:40,480 --> 06:02:41,100
I want to go back.

3557
06:02:41,240 --> 06:02:42,740
I'm on 157.

3558
06:02:42,940 --> 06:02:43,200
All right.

3559
06:02:43,500 --> 06:02:48,260
Just item RDS-26-6838.

3560
06:02:49,100 --> 06:02:55,140
I believe it said in here we were going to do half of them this year, if I read it right.

3561
06:02:56,380 --> 06:03:02,440
Would it be more beneficial to take the money from the reserve and complete all of them this year?

3562
06:03:17,080 --> 06:03:25,240
Through you, Mayor, to Councillor Reston. Yes, actually, it would, because we're going to tie it into the other improvements we have to do along the corridor.

3563
06:03:25,240 --> 06:03:35,020
and I'd like to move that, we double that item and take the money out of the tree replacement reserve one time.

3564
06:03:47,000 --> 06:03:50,760
Thank you. Seconded by Councillor McNamara. Questions, comments?

3565
06:03:52,240 --> 06:03:58,580
Councillor Cintrosa, can we just pull that and keep drawing down all mad and bust Windsor Essex economic development? Reserve, please, and pull it from there.

3566
06:03:58,580 --> 06:04:10,600
100% for one time amazing council we have here right complete alignment everybody's able to communicate so great

3567
06:04:11,460 --> 06:04:13,380
Hours and hours worth of work

3568
06:04:13,380 --> 06:04:16,780
All right on the motion when you're ready and

3569
06:04:20,080 --> 06:04:20,980
then right. Yeah

3570
06:04:42,570 --> 06:04:45,090
That's carried six sorry eight zero

3571
06:04:45,930 --> 06:04:48,550
On page 158, on

3572
06:04:55,430 --> 06:05:00,490
page 159, happy to see that Conver Alleyway service in there.

3573
06:05:01,770 --> 06:05:08,770
On page 168, Councillor Santorosa.

3574
06:05:09,150 --> 06:05:12,350
Thank you. Just a quick, I guess, note and question to administration.

3575
06:05:12,650 --> 06:05:17,590
RDS 26, 68, 79, for the Notre Dame Street traffic improvements.

3576
06:05:17,950 --> 06:05:21,690
The language in here still says, and the conversion of certain streets to be one way traffic,

3577
06:05:21,690 --> 06:05:28,070
which Council voted against. I just want to make sure that that $250,000 is for the existing work and not also that inclusion.

3578
06:05:28,870 --> 06:05:32,370
Yes, through you, Mayor. It is correct. This was done, RIVOR.

3579
06:05:32,710 --> 06:05:33,370
Thank you.

3580
06:05:37,100 --> 06:05:37,620
161.

3581
06:05:43,840 --> 06:05:44,640
Councillor Vogler.

3582
06:05:45,820 --> 06:05:51,620
Thank you, item UEM266825. I would like to eliminate that budget item, please.

3583
06:05:53,200 --> 06:05:59,540
and we can take that money and reduce it one time, the hundred thousand.

3584
06:06:04,980 --> 06:06:05,240
Thank you.

3585
06:06:05,320 --> 06:06:05,860
You have a seconder.

3586
06:06:06,580 --> 06:06:07,440
Councillor Rustin.

3587
06:06:22,730 --> 06:06:23,430
Councillor McNamara.

3588
06:06:24,210 --> 06:06:32,730
Given that we would be looking at getting grant funding towards this, as well as some

3589
06:06:32,730 --> 06:06:37,850
of our municipal vehicles, given their usage, it actually lends extremely well to being

3590
06:06:37,850 --> 06:06:38,250
an EV.

3591
06:06:38,250 --> 06:06:40,190
I wouldn't be supporting this.

3592
06:06:45,280 --> 06:06:45,980
Councillor Kerr.

3593
06:06:47,560 --> 06:06:51,620
To administration, how many EV vehicles do we own to date?

3594
06:06:53,600 --> 06:06:53,920
Yes.

3595
06:06:54,640 --> 06:06:55,140
Thank you.

3596
06:07:01,070 --> 06:07:02,530
Further comments, questions?

3597
06:07:03,110 --> 06:07:04,130
Seeing them, we'll vote digitally.

3598
06:07:07,550 --> 06:07:07,730
Yes.

3599
06:07:10,650 --> 06:07:11,710
It's not broke.

3600
06:07:12,250 --> 06:07:13,370
Give it to Michael.

3601
06:07:23,550 --> 06:07:24,430
That's carried.

3602
06:07:24,430 --> 06:07:27,790
8.62, there's two Opposed Conflict of McNamara Councilor Santa Rosa,

3603
06:07:30,380 --> 06:07:31,380
162,

3604
06:07:35,600 --> 06:07:36,960
163,

3605
06:07:43,820 --> 06:07:45,360
164,

3606
06:07:49,980 --> 06:07:51,000
165,

3607
06:07:53,610 --> 06:07:54,050
166,

3608
06:07:55,450 --> 06:07:58,650
166, somebody's Scream Spingo. All

3609
06:08:00,890 --> 06:08:05,890
right, on our deferred capital on 167,

3610
06:08:13,480 --> 06:08:14,440
is it here

3611
06:08:14,440 --> 06:08:14,660
to.

3612
06:08:19,060 --> 06:08:28,000
And so at this time on page 177, I'm just cross referencing to see if the position on 177 is

3613
06:08:28,000 --> 06:08:33,440
also, I guess it wouldn't be here because it was deferred, right, on the new position request.

3614
06:08:34,060 --> 06:08:39,800
All right, I'll carry on. Under deferred operating 169.

3615
06:08:40,320 --> 06:08:40,760
No,

3616
06:08:44,540 --> 06:08:49,510
the number is not that one, so I'll do the three by hand, you know?

3617
06:08:50,090 --> 06:08:51,510
Oh, I'll clean that one, six by hand.

3618
06:08:55,750 --> 06:08:56,630
Page 170,

3619
06:09:01,260 --> 06:09:02,400
171,

3620
06:09:08,150 --> 06:09:09,690
172,

3621
06:09:13,830 --> 06:09:15,070
173.

3622
06:09:20,540 --> 06:09:24,840
Oh, I see the park's late hand here now inside this deferral list.

3623
06:09:24,840 --> 06:09:26,900
So I see here that it was risk level high.

3624
06:09:27,100 --> 06:09:30,620
So good decision made amongst council, 175,

3625
06:09:33,380 --> 06:09:34,480
176.

3626
06:09:34,480 --> 06:09:42,640
All right. On page 177, an item number 16 deferred team leader roads in fleet. I'd like

3627
06:09:42,640 --> 06:09:47,560
to make a motion at this time that we proceed with this position as a one-year contract.

3628
06:09:48,520 --> 06:09:49,960
So a one-time cost.

3629
06:09:53,620 --> 06:09:56,160
Correct. Seconded by Councillor Kerr.

3630
06:09:56,940 --> 06:09:59,140
Comments, questions? Councillor Vogler?

3631
06:09:59,560 --> 06:10:02,500
Thank you. I just wonder by the time the person is up and running and trained

3632
06:10:02,500 --> 06:10:08,620
is a year too short. Should it be a slightly longer contract? I mean, I don't think I'm not

3633
06:10:08,620 --> 06:10:12,100
interested in a permanent position at this time, but I would be more inclined to say a two or

3634
06:10:12,100 --> 06:10:16,120
three-year contract just because of the large amount of work that we have upcoming and the

3635
06:10:16,120 --> 06:10:20,820
roads need study, etc. So if you would amend that to a, let's even say meet in the middle and say

3636
06:10:20,820 --> 06:10:24,060
two, and we could talk about extending it later, but one doesn't seem like enough to me.

3637
06:10:25,900 --> 06:10:30,860
Okay, so I'm hearing two across the table. So they'll support two. Let's do a two-year contract.

3638
06:10:31,980 --> 06:10:38,300
If we go for them out in there, the next council could choose to keep it or let it go, and all those other projects are going to be good.

3639
06:10:38,720 --> 06:10:40,860
They're going to be able to do that in two years.

3640
06:10:43,600 --> 06:10:44,680
I'm just going to have that.

3641
06:10:45,860 --> 06:10:51,240
Is there appetite among, I just don't want to rush through emotion because I'm trying to get a position here.

3642
06:10:51,620 --> 06:10:57,000
If there's appetite amongst council to make this a permanent position now, I'm happy to table the motion to bring it in.

3643
06:10:57,000 --> 06:10:58,280
And so I'm seeing next.

3644
06:10:58,420 --> 06:11:01,140
So I think I'm on the right path with a contract.

3645
06:11:01,860 --> 06:11:06,200
I'll amend the motion to three years in hopes that I haven't lost just a, okay, two years.

3646
06:11:07,040 --> 06:11:09,960
I'm going to stay with my gut because I think I was right in the first place.

3647
06:11:10,260 --> 06:11:11,480
So yeah.

3648
06:11:11,780 --> 06:11:12,280
Thank you.

3649
06:11:12,360 --> 06:11:13,920
We won't fund both years right now.

3650
06:11:13,920 --> 06:11:14,760
We'll fund it annually.

3651
06:11:15,000 --> 06:11:17,020
So we're going to pay for $119,000 today.

3652
06:11:17,200 --> 06:11:17,540
That's right.

3653
06:11:17,680 --> 06:11:19,080
And I'll ask in a moment the impact.

3654
06:11:19,340 --> 06:11:20,260
We're at 1.72.

3655
06:11:20,280 --> 06:11:23,220
We'll be adding in this position as a one time.

3656
06:11:23,740 --> 06:11:26,240
And you'll be able to tell me where we're at very shortly.

3657
06:11:26,240 --> 06:11:27,320
On the motion.

3658
06:11:29,360 --> 06:11:31,360
Well, 1.95.

3659
06:11:31,900 --> 06:11:35,180
It's been a lot to tap in less a little bit, but you are 1.76 now.

3660
06:11:35,980 --> 06:11:40,680
If you add this, if you add this, if not, um, oh, can we add the job?

3661
06:11:40,980 --> 06:11:41,860
Yeah, that's correct.

3662
06:11:44,040 --> 06:11:49,840
Just mention, one for one for eight, if you do not.

3663
06:12:06,800 --> 06:12:07,280
Okay.

3664
06:12:10,350 --> 06:12:14,570
So on the motion, we'll vote digitally now. Second. Thank you, and the seconder, Councillor

3665
06:12:42,840 --> 06:12:43,360
Okay,

3666
06:12:50,800 --> 06:13:00,300
so that passed 8-0. Recognizing the time, I think we can hammer through here. We're really close to the end. So we're going to keep going even though it's 4-30.

3667
06:13:00,300 --> 06:13:06,400
page 178. If we get into large debate, we'll recess and we'll come back in the morning folks,

3668
06:13:06,400 --> 06:13:09,800
but if we can get through it now, we might as well. 179.

3669
06:13:15,190 --> 06:13:16,830
One-time changes on 180.

3670
06:13:18,530 --> 06:13:21,930
Does anybody have anything further for this budget today?

3671
06:13:22,970 --> 06:13:27,810
Chancellor Santorosa, thank you Madam Mayor. I'm hoping I can get an updated number in that

3672
06:13:28,330 --> 06:13:32,690
the Invest Windsor Essex Economic Development Fund Reserve now that we've drawn it down a couple

3673
06:13:32,690 --> 06:13:39,070
times. What's the remaining balance? That was not something we were tracking throughout, but

3674
06:13:40,290 --> 06:13:52,030
I tracked two reductions there. One of 60,000 and the original one of 30,000. Sorry.

3675
06:13:53,390 --> 06:14:01,330
I think I had originally a $25,000 piece under economic development, but then we added community

3676
06:14:01,330 --> 06:14:08,750
Branding so it was a net five and then I believe to your point we had that was at 60 after that so I do

3677
06:14:08,750 --> 06:14:16,470
60 after that yes okay so we're only at 65 a 65 reduction right so we should have a hundred and forty four two four

3678
06:14:16,470 --> 06:14:22,930
if we move one sounds about right which is about two okay I'd like to make a motion that we draw down

3679
06:14:22,930 --> 06:14:28,450
that reserve and its entirety so that hundred and forty thousand four hundred and twenty four dollars

3680
06:14:29,470 --> 06:14:37,700
give me a second here. John's happy to second it. Oh my gosh, where was I going with this? Hold on.

3681
06:14:42,150 --> 06:14:42,690
Yeah,

3682
06:14:47,530 --> 06:14:54,830
give me a second here. So I'll just mention that that reserve was created when those funds

3683
06:14:54,830 --> 06:14:59,150
were returned back from Invest Windsor Essex to the municipality.

3684
06:15:00,000 --> 06:15:29,920
And the earmark of those funds was to be for economic development and like activities. So, if you're considering a transfer to a different reserve or another drawdown, it should be for those specific criteria or the municipality may face criticism on how those funds were used. I mean, I'll take the criticism. It's probably been a number of years. It can change its defense. I understand it. It's been a number of years, but I just, I do know the history on that one, not from my time here in Lachor.

3685
06:15:29,920 --> 06:15:34,860
But the contingencies fund would nicely position the next budget.

3686
06:15:35,300 --> 06:15:39,600
If we do the contingency fund, I'm okay with that so that we can reduce the operating

3687
06:15:39,600 --> 06:15:43,660
draw accordingly is my hope there so that next year we're in a better net position.

3688
06:15:44,060 --> 06:15:51,580
So, if we can put thank you, so that 14424, and if we can do, if Council's happy to support it,

3689
06:15:51,660 --> 06:15:57,420
I'd love to lump them together, but to do the same thing with that OCLIF cannabis legalization fund

3690
06:15:57,420 --> 06:16:01,960
of the 37. It's been a long time since we received those funds. We're not attributing

3691
06:16:01,960 --> 06:16:06,800
them to by-law or anything related to it at this point either. So I'd also like to add

3692
06:16:06,800 --> 06:16:15,940
the $37,782 from the OCLIF. Put that towards the contingency and draw down the operating

3693
06:16:15,940 --> 06:16:16,500
draws as well.

3694
06:16:16,920 --> 06:16:19,160
You have the seconder's support? Well, vote digitally now.

3695
06:16:20,340 --> 06:16:21,620
Well, that's a great idea.

3696
06:16:22,440 --> 06:16:25,160
Thank you.

3697
06:16:25,280 --> 06:16:26,840
I'm going to get your phone

3698
06:16:36,730 --> 06:16:39,650
number.

3699
06:16:44,380 --> 06:16:46,920
I don't know if it's OK.

3700
06:16:47,240 --> 06:16:49,800
Did it?

3701
06:16:53,580 --> 06:16:55,740
I'm not going to bother you.

3702
06:16:57,640 --> 06:17:00,040
That's carried eight zero at this time.

3703
06:17:00,040 --> 06:17:07,640
I'd like to note that the budget deliberations have resulted in a 1.76% I want to thank

3704
06:17:07,640 --> 06:17:12,660
everybody across the council table and across administration for the hard work that we've

3705
06:17:12,660 --> 06:17:13,160
done today.

3706
06:17:13,700 --> 06:17:17,020
And if there's nothing further from members of council this afternoon, I'll look for a

3707
06:17:17,020 --> 06:17:17,860
motion to adjourn.

3708
06:17:18,160 --> 06:17:22,820
Councillor McNamara seconded by Deputy Mayor Wallsted all in favor of adjournment by a show

3709
06:17:22,820 --> 06:17:23,180
of hands.

3710
06:17:24,040 --> 06:17:24,700
Thank you.

3711
06:17:24,800 --> 06:17:25,340
We're adjourned.

3712
06:17:25,540 --> 06:17:27,160
Thank you very much for all your hard work today.