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All right, good stormy evening, I'd like to call the order, the Lakewood City Planning Commission meeting for Thursday, September 3rd.

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Could miss, miss, not should could you please, on the roll call please.

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Hannah Gaul, Nicholas Lippoyn,

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Nicholas Miller,

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Kyle Rice, William Sanderson.

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All right, first item on the agenda is the meeting minutes for Thursday, August 6th.

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I would like to first make a motion to excuse the absence of Commissioner Gaul.

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Second, there's a first and second all signify by saying,

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If I were to signify by saying aye, aye, no pose. Motion carries.

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All right, now I can move into the second item on the agenda for the evening approval,

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a review and approval of the meeting minutes from the Thursday August 6th meeting.

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Commissioner, I'm assuming, I know, Commissioner,

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received your not present at the past meeting, so you'll be abstaining for the approval.

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But any comments?

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If not, I'll let it set the motion for approval.

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Motion to approve the minutes.

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All right, there's a first and second.

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All those in favor, in favor, signify by saying aye.

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And one abstention.

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All right, motion carries.

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Now, we'll turn it back over to Ms. Nassau for the opening remarks.

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Good evening and welcome to the Lakewood Planning Commission meeting.

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The Commission is comprised of five members charged with evaluating proposals as required by

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Lakewood Zoning Code and Community Vision.

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The charter of the city established the authority of the Commission and its members are

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volunteer Lakewood residents appointed to five year terms by the mayor or city council.

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Tonight the Commission shall hear from each applicant on their respective Docket item.

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The commission may also take public comment for each docket item and public comments show only address that specific docket item being considered.

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To allow adequate time for all present public comment is limited to five minutes per person.

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You can also submit statements and writing to the secretary to have them included.

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For both applicants and members of the public making comments, when you are called to the podium,

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we ask that you please sign the oath sheet and then state your name and address into the microphone

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for the record prior to addressing the commission.

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All right.

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Thank you, Mr. Sacha.

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We'll go ahead and now and then move into the agenda for this evening.

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There is no old business on the agenda, so we're going to step right into the new business.

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The first item is a parking plan for review.

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It's a document item number 0 92526.

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Address is 138 for her avenue for a parking plan review.

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I'd like to invite the applicant dearest Houston and

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Mark Casper on behalf of the property owner.

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Dr. Stacey Lane to the podium please.

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As a reminder, if you could state your name and address

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and sign in at the sign-in sheet there.

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Thank you very much.

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I'm Mark Casper and I'm here on behalf of 1384 Field House LLC.

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I'm joined here with my colleague, Darius Houston.

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In terms of an address, it will be 127 Anderson Street,

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Sweet 101 Pittsburgh PA 15212.

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I'd just like to start out by saying thank you to the members of the Planning Commission,

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as well as representatives from the city, for accepting our application and listening to our

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question today. As previously indicated in our application, we are here today seeking

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a, seeking a modification to the current existing parking plan for the property that

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invites 1384 for her to have a new liquid Ohio. This property was recently subject to a

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leadership through which Dr. Lane, whom we're here on behalf of in the owner of 1384

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Field House LLC, purchased on June 25th, 2026 through real estate purchase agreement.

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The closing date for the property is not actually yet taken place, and it's scheduled

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to take place in the next five or six days where we're waiting for a final confirmation of

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that date as previously indicated, well, before getting into that, if I could

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Please ask that the letter from the areas Houston outlining this sort of scope of the project be identified this this letter

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Currently on the screen was provided to the Planning Commission and to the city representatives on July 13,

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26. In brief summation, this just identifies what the operations of the, what's been formally identified

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as the fieldhouse will be moving forward under new ownership. As previously indicated as noted there,

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we'll be using the rest of our indoor events space, outdoor patio and event space, private event venue and community gathering space.

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These uses, as they stand currently, are consistent with in the same as in scope, the property uses that the field house was used for previously.

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Again, for the time being, I think we intend to sort of continue that on.

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Should there be any modification, obviously, we would be worth it happy to come back here and discuss that as relates to the parking plan.

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Otherwise, but nevertheless, this sort of outlines are our vision for the project.

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If we could go to page 13, which is the approved parking plan, thank you.

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As we see here on the screen, we have a submitted parking plan amendment, which is submitted

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by Larson Architects for this property, and that was submitted back in January of 2021 in

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very brief. It provides for the parking plan 113 under controlled spaces in order to operate

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the building. Again, this is prepared by Larson Architects. I do have here with me today

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as well for any potential question. Mr. Hudner with Larson Architects, he was actually instrumental

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in putting this analysis together in this parking plan. I would note that this parking plan

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And again, the 113 under controlled spaces were apps put before this commission back in February of 2021 and was actually approved, which is confirmed in the official meeting minutes for this commission and the date was February 4 2021,

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the in brief the 113 under controlled spaces as identified in the report and what was presented to this commission and approved.

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was that there's 113 spaces would be contained within a 500 foot radius from the property

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and as is previously noted.

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That is someone inconsistent with some of the zoning code language for parking, which

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does allow for parking a lotments within a 1000 foot radius of the property.

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However, at the time, they felt that this was an appropriate plan for the parking.

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We received confirmation from the city that we were permitted to operate under this currently existing parking plan.

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So long as our scope of our work remained the same and has indicated that that's what would be the only issue that we have here today is.

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The 500 foot radius that was set forth here has proven to be somewhat of a stumbling block in terms of operating under the parking plan.

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And Mr. Houston can speak more to this, but we've done canvassing, we've been reaching out to local community members and business owners trying to secure all of the parking within this 500 foot radius.

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Unfortunately, we're having a little bit of trouble kind of getting this across the goal line. We have however identified a parcel of land, which is identified as the Northwest School of Arts within a thousand foot radius of the building.

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There we have 40 confirmed spots that would be available to us, not actually submitted in the documentation that we provided.

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However, they do have additional spots that we could use that would also be within that thousand foot radius,

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and pending today's conversation we can possibly supplement if needed.

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But so on that basis, what we heard today requesting is an extension of the radius for the parking plan from 500 feet to 1000 feet.

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Again, this will allow us to move forward, immediately start working towards operation

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up again in the building formally known as the Field House.

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In addition to, I would also like to note, if we could turn to the summary that was

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prepared of the parking spaces that are available.

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And so as we can see here on the screen, this is sort of a summary of the current spaces,

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assuming that the thousand foot radius would be granted to us here.

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We do have six onsite parking spots which are ADA compliant.

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We are afforded 28 spaces, which are metered spaces within that 1,000 foot radius, which is consistent with the parking code.

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In addition to that, we've secured from one of our...

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Our neighbors, an MOU identifying their willingness to sort of let our intent for us to utilize 43 parking spaces in their parking lot.

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And that's with Martin Dale, electric, if you would please page number 5 through 6.

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Here, sorry.

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So we do have here a memory of understanding just briefly summarizing what I've just told you.

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We have this in place. I wouldn't note, it does identify KS Max property LLC as the actual owner on this document.

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We've subsequently had that amended. There's a decision made to change the LLC that would actually be receiving the property.

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That's been confirmed with the receiver and that's, let's get out of the kind of handled as on the date of closing.

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But so we do have this sort of secured, if we could also turn to page 37.

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I apologize that we set that in a way that's sort of hard to read, but what this does identify is on the Northwest

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School of Arts

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Intent to allow us to use those four response

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Free of charge on their property and so again with the property that had been previously identified and the

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Parking spaces which are being provided to us

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Presumant to these two different MOU or L.O.Is

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We would be able to comply with the parking plan, and so again, we're just here today requesting that the commission grant that extension from 500 foot radius to 1,000 foot radius.

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And so I'm not sure if the commission has any questions.

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We're obviously more than happy to feel any of that.

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I appreciate you stepping us through the application at this time.

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You can sit down for a moment and we're in a turn it over to the city to step us through their position.

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And are there notes that they have for us?

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Yes, Mr. Chair.

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So this proposed parking plan review.

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The use is consistent as stated with the previous owners' use.

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It was at the discretion of the director that they could continue,

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as long as they kept the original conditions,

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which in this case, a little more restrictive than what the code has.

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The code allows shared parking agreements within a thousand square feet, the original approval

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back in 2021, wanted to 500 foot for all of the shared use parking.

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So as they stated, there are having some issues with that, some troubles, so they would

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prefer to expand that to the 1000 that's permitted by the code, and that's through 113310.

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The previous calculation of the required parking, there was an extensive study, a new

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stun by Larson Architects, a major of a representative here tonight who can speak to

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those questions.

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But it was basically one spot for 80 square feet, so it was a lot of parking that was

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required.

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And of the 113 were to be owned or controlled.

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The original approval also, the commission was happy that the applicants were

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incentivizing a ride share and providing a number of bicycle parking or 30 bicycle parking spaces available on the site.

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So that's kind of where we began. The parcel is located in the C3 Journal of Business Zoning District.

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And this is that plan that Larson had put together for the approval for the previous owner,

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which shows a lot of the parking lots where they try to get agreements about original time.

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I mean, these documents show, they are also going to this also as some of the original parking studies showing

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other similar businesses and the parking may provide like the YMCA and the back center.

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It was all used to calculate the required number of spots.

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These are pictures of the property at 1384 heard currently.

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There is a gymnasium with three courts, a track of of it,

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and connected to a bar restaurant that is two stories without door dining on each.

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Outdoor dining would be a separate application on approval by the commission.

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So just kind of walking through what is available,

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the secured parking within the 500 feet.

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There's the bike parking in the ride share.

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There's on site 688,

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shared agreement within 500 feet.

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Martin Dale butts to the north.

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Municipal.

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A lot metered space credit within 500 feet. There are 18 metered spaces, first come first serve adjacent to the lot, and then there's another 10 available at the corner of Detroit, and 170, all within 500 feet.

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And then what's kind of in play is this 40 feet to get to the at 1-13 that are within the 1,000 walking feet from the property.

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So it's not a circle, it's not a circumference, it's walking from the property to the parking lot, 1,000.

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And so there are other options, there are, in the adjacent lot, there are a lot of spots, I think, in that lot.

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There are 35 available for permit parking.

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Eight of them are right along the rear of 1884 herd.

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The previous owner had an agreement to use eight of those

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for employee parking.

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They can't be used for patron parking

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because in order not to get ticketed or towed,

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you do have to show a permit in the national board.

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Those are for employee or, you know,

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is that other people to use is on the official department.

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And so then this is the visual aid that I put together to count the parking and show that in this chart.

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And that's we've reviewed all of these items, but you can kind of see

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here's 1384 heard,

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walking to the northwest school, a couple blocks away, and the parking lot is here in the front.

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And then here is where the meter city spots are and here.

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This is the Martin Dale lot.

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The previous approval, they had parking at Sapels,

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which is here north of the map.

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This was within 500 feet.

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And the cities, this just kind of shows the same thing.

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The other one did in a different format.

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The red on the left is 1384 herd with those secured lots and down on the right

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in the green, the north-most school of the arts, the burials where you can see this is where

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the ADA parking, these are city permits, knots that are available by parking and rideshare

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pick up this year.

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And then looking at the code, this just kind of described some of the criteria

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that was looked at with that original parking plan approval using the gross floor area and square

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of all the floors to calculate, adding up the different uses and then the ability to be flexible

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on what that total number was based on uses occurring at different times in the building.

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I'm also talking about available surface parking lots in the area shared parking numbers of employees

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alternative forms of transportation and then those calculations with that once-based

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change for the public assembly and spaces for employees and this is that section 1143-10

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exceptions to the required minimum. So this is where it talks about offsite parking spaces being

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permitted in a 1000 feet as opposed to the pipeline.

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And bicycle parking, those requirements were met.

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So the administration's recommendation for tonight would be approval of the proposed plan and then

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We're asking the applicant to return to planning commission in six months if their use changes from what was proposed tonight.

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We've been some conversations that they're going to reach out to the community and ask the community what they'd like to see in this space.

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The idea being that there may be less of a demand for parking in six months if some of the uses change or there might be more.

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If the uses unchanged, we would ask them to send us a letter confirming that they're continuing to use them.

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They would have to return one of their ready for the condition they used for the outdoor dining spaces.

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There are two paddios outdoor dining, and because they're on property, those are usable year-round once they're approved.

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They're not on public.

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And then just to have those confirmed letters.

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That's the recommendation for today.

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Okay, thank you, Ms. Nasha. This point with the city wrapping up their review. I would like to open up.

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Doc and item number 092526 for 138 for her to have new parking plan.

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Review for public comments. Any members of the public here would like to speak for on behalf of this item.

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In regards to this item, we'll free to step to the podium.

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All right, hearing and seeing none, we will close public comments.

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And I will invite the applicants back up to the podium, please.

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Mr. Casper, Houston, and

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Hubner for any questions the commissioners may have here in all of us.

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Turn it over to the commission for any questions.

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All right.

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Commissioner Miller.

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I hope.

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I'm curious how many employees the fieldhouse plans on employing?

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So currently we're in the stages of just kind of developing our plan.

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So ideally we may want to start off with about 10 folks because we kind of want to roll out our plans

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So we don't want to just rush in and start. So we kind of want to start off with our our our Resteros face first

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So ideally we're thinking about starting up

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I notice that you put in the your application the schedule for

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Stonewall Cleveland events

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Would those occur before the parking as permitted that one PM on Saturdays and Sundays,

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or would you look to schedule those to when you had the maximum amount of parking available?

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So we would kind of work with Stonewall to see what they have in mind of what they would do.

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We would kind of want to wait until after we had everything kind of secure before we start any type of baby.

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then my last question, I guess, maybe is for the, also with the city, that the parking

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identified on less 116th Street is outside of the city of Lakewood boundary. And I'm just curious

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if that has any impact to the planning commission's ability to control for any parking

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externalities or if Cleveland legislates on the use of that parking lot, would that trigger

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review by the Planning Commission?

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If there would be any changes, we would ask the applicant to come back or to at least provide

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with something in the area that would be comparable.

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So if they were to lose this lot for any reason, they would have to contact the city and say,

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Hey, we have a letter of intent for those 40 spaces and it's within 1,000 feet, and if they

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couldn't meet that, they would come back a little bit.

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I think that's all the questions I have right now.

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I think you commissioner Miller, I have a few questions for the applicant as well, and one

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for the city first for the city.

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Can you confirm that during field houses operations where there are any noted parking issues

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that were recorded based on historic use?

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There were no parking issues for the report yet.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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Related to it appears that much of your parking is timing restricted after normal business

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hours, non-school hours, are you what are your tentative operating hours and how do you plan

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to work around that from up your hours, your events, your plans versus the restrictions on the

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hours for the shared parking.

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So in terms of the actual hours that we have in place, it would be Monday through Friday,

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We'd be open 5 p.m. to 2 p.m. from Saturday through Sunday.

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We would be open from 1 p.m. to 2 p.m. to 3 p.m.

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One piece of this, I think, maybe I didn't highlight that I would like to highlight.

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In addition to allowing us to sort of satisfy the minimum amount of parking that's been identified.

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By expanding those sort of radius from 500 feet to 1000 feet, it opens up additional potential opportunities for us to speak with members of the community.

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So I think, insofar as we're the commission degree in our request and relief today, what we would do is continue to campus, speak with local businesses and secure some more of those shared parking use agreements that would necessarily be time restricted in ways in the meter parking is.

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Okay.

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The final question is, is with this kind of will work of parking, what's your current plans for communicating this and so people that are coming to your facility,

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don't have am I in the right lot, have I not in the right lot or how do you plan to communicate that out, either via your websites or signage or could you help?

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Yes.

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We're currently discussing some of the folks that work that we have these share parking agreements with.

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Maybe putting up some stuff.

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Signage to show, hey, this is the CWP as you can see to be seen. A. 1384, or wherever, can we're so kind of thinking on the name.

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The name of this is, you know, parking related to this.

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In addition, we do have a marketing team that we're kind of working with already that we will probably start releasing some of this information through social media as well as a website.

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We do have a third party website provider that we work with.

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Thank you.

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I would just encourage the property owner and the business to encourage their staff and folks that are visiting to use those alternative modes of transportation, including RTA.

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There are two bus stops at the end of heard Avenue on Detroit and one on Clifton, and I would

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recommend that the applicant find creative ways to encourage staff and folks to utilize the

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public transit system.

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All right, with that, I'll go ahead and craft the motion here, bear with me.

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I would like to make a recommendation for approval

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with the following conditions.

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First is return a planning commission in six months

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to update commission on proposed use for the space.

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If changes are made to what is before commission tonight,

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if necessary, revise parking calculation as applicable,

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if necessary, propose updated parking plan at March 4,

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20, 27 planning commission meeting or sooner if needed.

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If the use is unchanged from what is approved tonight

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substantially similar to the previous approval, a letter confirming the uses are unchanged.

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The commission will suffice so long as there are no negative impacts observed or reported

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in relations to parking. Second, the applicant will have to apply for a separate outdoor

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condition to use permit for outdoor patio dining. Third, submission of a letter of intent,

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parking agreement from property within 1,000 to win 1,000 feet to account for the 36 additional

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parking spots that were previously within 500 feet.

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And then fourth, I would like to make a recommendation

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that a internal plan be developed to both communicate

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externally and signage at these additional spots.

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We put in place to clearly communicate

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that those are acceptable parking areas

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and Commissioner Miller's point promote the use of ride share and use of public transit.

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It's the first second.

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There's a first and second all in favor signify by saying aye.

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Aye. Any opposed? Motion carries.

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Thank you for your investment and the next breathing the next life into this facility.

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Thank you for coming.

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Thank you very much.

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All right.

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Moving to the next and final item on the agenda for this evening is a communication

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from the city of Lakewood. It's Dr. Item number 092626 Delaware Avenue between Carabel and Glenberry.

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It's part of the Transportation Plan and Complete Streets Public Comments. I will turn it over to

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Ms. Natsha and or the city's engineer Mark Papke for presentation of the site.

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Good evening. Mark Papke 12-650 Detroit Avenue. Lakewood Ohio.

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All

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right,

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so we have a water main project of coming in 2028 and it entails Delaware Avenue,

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which is a part of the city's active transportation plan, and as a part of the complete

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streets ordinance. The first step is to bring our first stage one submission to planning

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commission to review that as well as to receive public input on that as well. So based on

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The first active transportation plan project that we brought, planning commission asked for a

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little bit more of us to reach out to the public.

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So we did this time with some yard signs and social media posts in that so just to let you

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know we did up our...

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Our game on that.

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So, there's our agenda. We'll go over the active transportation plan initiatives, Delaware, avenues, data and existing conditions. We'll do a brief overview of ODOT's multi-modal design guidelines, which kind of governs everything that we're doing here in the active transportation plan.

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And our first concept plan that we'll be talking about this evening.

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And then we'll open up for questions and comments.

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So this active transportation project is a priority number three.

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The project ID on it is number 12.

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And it extends from Glenn Berry to Brown Road, however, our project for the water main

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replacement is basically Glenn Berry to care of all that will be basically replacing

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the water main and doing resurfacing.

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So, the plan is to get into design next year, so I'll be putting out RFPs for consultants

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for this project, and it's nice to have this communication with planning commission

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and input from the public so that when I'm asking a consultant for their design fee that

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We know exactly what to expect and what design considerations are going to be looking at.

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So we're replacing the water main really, we're going to be going from McKinley.

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That's where our water main connection is.

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Delaware basically dead ends here at McKinley doesn't connect to McKinley, but our water

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will extend through there. So there's really no work basically in the intersection of

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McKinley as far as the active transportation plan has. So we'll be doing water

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main. We'll be doing some sewer improvements. We're going to resurface with the

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like Boulevard, and that's Glenn Berry to Carable.

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With the idea that whenever we go to a resurface,

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the rest of Delaware to the east,

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that that white Boulevard will extend at that time when that happens.

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The active transportation plan also calls for intersection improvements

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at Woodward, Carabelle, and Olive,

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and here's those items that they ask us to consider

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for both, you know, Delaware at Woodward, Delaware, Carabelle, Delaware, and Olive.

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So I'll get into a little bit more of that.

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Delaware does have a haze elementary school adjacent to it, so it does have a lot of higher

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pedestrian traffic, especially with Lakewood not having busing in that. We have a lot

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of active transportation kids at bike to school or walking to school. One item to

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Note is that that project 61 that was up here is really addressing just north marginal

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and McKinley and it's not really anything within our project limits.

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So existing data, Delaware is a little bit strange, it's not congruent all the way

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throughout. Basically the first stretch of Glenberry at Atkins, it's practically 290 feet long.

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It's 27 feet wide curb to curb. And then when we start moving eastward, Atkins to woodward,

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625 feet long, we have a 28 foot wide curb to curb, and then tapers out to 37 feet wide.

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We get to woodward. There is parking on the eastbound lane and these segments. Then when we get

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between woodward to all of, which is really the stretch of Hayes Elementary School, there's parking

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on both sides of the street, that stretch is 550 feet long, and with varies between 51 to 56 feet in that area.

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And then when we get olive to carable, parking then is now on the East Bound Lane.

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That's 260 foot long segment and we're at 32 feet wide at olive tapering back down to 27 feet.

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The speed limit posted is 25 miles per hour.

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So, looking at bicycle bullvard criteria, I had the slide up before I don't know if you recall from Cove, but we're really in our preferred zone here with the peak hour volume, the average daily traffic volumes, as well as the operating speed for a bike bullvard.

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So, like Bolvard seems to fit well in this stretch,

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the peak hourly volume is between 100 and 10 to 144.

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So, we're below that 150 standard that average

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daily traffic is 1430 to 1800.

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And that's really, you know, we're probably in the acceptable range here, which is okay.

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Average speeds are between 16 to 21 miles per hour.

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And the data that we collected is actually using our black cat that we have, that we put on the pulse.

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that collects data, as well as we do have a radar speed sign that was posted and those

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radar speed signs actually collect data and we download that data from that.

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So this is good reliable traffic data that we're getting back, but you can see they

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one and the 85th percent tile is showing us that a majority of people are traveling, you know,

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relatively they're following the speed limit in this area which is good.

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So as a part of like boulevard's, you know, we'll be putting up some way finding signs.

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As we're developing it, throughout will be posting some of those signs, I think we'll get

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more into the design of that as we get closer, probably in the next stage I'll have probably

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something a little bit more defined.

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The other sign here is a regulatory sign that we'll be using for the bike boulevard.

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Shadows.

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Basically so when you're doing the bike boulevard's use the Shadows,

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they're indicate that bicyclist are allowed to use the full lane of traffic,

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So that's a part of the pavement markings that we would be placing.

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They would be basically placed in the center of the shared traveling.

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We would be, you know, no more than 50 feet downstream from each intersection

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and space at intervals of at least no more than 250 feet.

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So, in the Glenberry to Woodward and the Olive to Carable, we're our curb to curb with our 27 to 28 feet.

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Basically, we would have the Cheros and it would have a 10-foot travel lane and then here's our east.

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On parking lane.

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I know that, you know, last time we talked at a finding commission for a similar project like this, there was discussion about the edge line putting an edge line along here, but what we're finding is that that's not recommended.

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and it's not recommended because it might signify to people and I'm a bike that they think

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that that's the Blake Lane and as well as when there's motorists that are traveling.

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There's a confusion that you know they're going to think hey they should be over to the right

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and not in that lane, so it's not recommended

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to have that edge line in there.

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So we would just be placing the sharrows in accordance

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with the Ogot multi-mobile design guidelines.

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So for the section of the school

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between woodward to olive where we're a lot wider,

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We've proposed two alternates because we're so wide for planning commission and get public input on.

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Basically, option one would just be to keep it with the rest of the corridor as just

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And then, an alternate B, we're actually able to put in a buffered bike lane that would accommodate

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basically parking lane, a striped bike lane with a two and a half-foot striped buffer

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and your center line on both sides.

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So that's one alternate that we can discuss

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and see what the flavor is of everybody.

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But there's definitely enough real estate there to make that happen.

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I personally am in favor of it.

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I think any time that we can actually designate lane for bicyclists, I think that we should do it.

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I think that it gives bicyclists a nice travel lane and safety with the buffer and gives vehicles their way.

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And we don't have to intermix both of them together.

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I think that it works out well that way, but we'll see what everybody's opinion is on that.

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So, if we were to basically go with the bike boulevard with the Cheryl option,

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basically this gives you the slide that would show that we're basically, you know,

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these are the locations of the shadows that would be put basically at each intersection

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and we're not going to exceed the 250 foot length because we're basically about 50 feet away

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from each intersection, putting the first set of shadows.

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So we don't want to exceed that, so basically our shadows would be located along there.

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And then, if we went with the alternate B, this would be the area that we would have the striped

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bicycle lane,

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sign placement, basically putting the signs up that bicyclists may use the

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did go with the ultimate B, then we would add in the bike lane signs, one of those bike

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lanes start and then when they end on either side.

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So,

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when we talk about the intersection improvements,

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Basically, curb extensions are typically used where there's on street parking lane, and that the width is typically one foot less the width of the parking lane, curb extensions may be considered for use where shoulders exist if bicyclists were not operating on a shoulder.

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So, I'll get a little bit into that, and crosswalk lengths,

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basically we're looking that,

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you know, whenever the crosswalk is usually less than 40 feet, it's usually an okay crosswalk.

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You don't really have to reduce it or use curb extensions.

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So, talk about woodward, so the woodward intersection, you know, this is a signalized

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intersection that's the existing layout, so, you know, we're 32 feet here, 41, 61,

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00:46:19,220 --> 00:46:19,240
and

432
00:46:19,240 --> 00:46:23,000
basically what we would propose.

433
00:46:25,660 --> 00:46:29,480
What I've kind of done is I've extended these

434
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:37,240
lines here so you can kind of see like generally this is that 2728 foot wide

435
00:46:37,920 --> 00:46:46,360
pavement curb to curb with kind of show like how we would you know wrap that around.

436
00:46:47,460 --> 00:46:58,880
But, basically, we do have to maintain a minimum of 20 feet going across for the fire

437
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:07,720
department, but what we would be looking at is basically putting in a curb extension here

438
00:47:07,720 --> 00:47:19,700
reduce this 41 cut cutting that down as well as this length would basically remain

439
00:47:19,700 --> 00:47:29,260
ultimately about the same 32 but drastically reducing this 61 feet to make

440
00:47:29,260 --> 00:47:36,380
this a shorter crossing and this one would roughly be about the same as it is

441
00:47:36,380 --> 00:47:41,180
We'd have to, you know, once we've got through design, it might be shortened up a little bit.

442
00:47:42,740 --> 00:47:46,000
But, basically, that's with the Sheros.

443
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:52,620
The signal, it's a spanned wired signal right now.

444
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:59,480
It has older software, and the project doesn't include any signal work.

445
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:17,440
So, we're not going to be doing any LPI's, the leaking pedestrian interval because it can't, the software can't support that but whenever we go to upgrade the signal, we would do that at that time.

446
00:48:18,540 --> 00:48:21,540
So, that's for the woodward intersection.

447
00:48:23,260 --> 00:48:40,100
The olive intersection, this is basically unsignalized, uncontrolled movement, basically, for anybody that would be crossing Delaware,

448
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:48,800
so we have existing crosswalks across olive through 30 feet

449
00:48:53,410 --> 00:48:55,230
and are proposed.

450
00:48:55,230 --> 00:49:04,530
intersection layout here would be to basically provide curb extensions.

451
00:49:06,570 --> 00:49:18,090
These legs here to shorten and install a new crosswalk across Delaware with a rectangular

452
00:49:18,090 --> 00:49:30,310
rapid flashing weekends that would be push button activated. It would also have the APS as well.

453
00:49:31,490 --> 00:49:40,970
These would be the high viz crosswalks. We also remove the skews in these crosswalks and make

454
00:49:40,970 --> 00:49:52,330
more direct and straight and, you know, this follows, you know, basically what the

455
00:49:52,330 --> 00:49:59,830
active transportation plan is called out for a crossing at.

456
00:50:00,460 --> 00:50:01,440
Delaware.

457
00:50:11,820 --> 00:50:28,040
And then Carabel, basically we would be looking at, basically installing the color, the high-vis, crosswalks, all the crosswalk lengths are 30 feet.

458
00:50:33,870 --> 00:50:36,850
This is really no need for any curb extensions or anything.

459
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:44,840
One of

460
00:50:47,780 --> 00:50:55,540
the questions, you know, the active transportation plan, I think, you know, really

461
00:50:56,540 --> 00:51:04,120
the folks looked at, you know, woodward and olive, as, you know, in carabel, making

462
00:51:04,120 --> 00:51:12,140
those improvements there, they didn't have anything for Northland, and I know that, you

463
00:51:12,140 --> 00:51:23,360
front door of the school is right here and I believe the reason why they selected the

464
00:51:23,360 --> 00:51:27,380
olive and woodward would work definitely because it's already

465
00:51:27,380 --> 00:51:36,160
signalized and I think olive was selected versus the one at Northland was really

466
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:40,480
because you have parking on both sides of a street

467
00:51:41,500 --> 00:51:45,100
here that can really obscure

468
00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:49,640
up a desk room, you know, trying to cross there.

469
00:51:50,080 --> 00:51:55,100
And I think that, you know, when they studied this,

470
00:51:55,500 --> 00:51:58,000
they took that in consideration that,

471
00:51:58,000 --> 00:52:01,940
you know, this is basically a safer crossing

472
00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,540
than trying to line it up with, you know,

473
00:52:05,540 --> 00:52:08,080
Hazel Elementary School's door,

474
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:17,520
as we talked about, you know, usually you'd like to have a crossing, you

475
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:26,620
know, I think they say like within like a thousand feet or that, you like to see a crossing.

476
00:52:27,420 --> 00:52:35,340
This is well below that. When you're coming down Northland, you have your opportunity to either

477
00:52:35,340 --> 00:52:44,640
you know go to the right you walk 200 and 46 feet and come down here and walk that way or

478
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:55,560
you know you would walk it to woodward down and through here. One other point that I wanted to

479
00:52:55,560 --> 00:53:05,320
bring up is we do have a crossing guard at woodward but there would not be one at all of

480
00:53:05,340 --> 00:53:22,600
However, we do have currently the same situation on Nicholson and Emerson for Emerson Elementary

481
00:53:22,600 --> 00:53:30,960
School that operates without a crossing guard and has the same setup and we don't have

482
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:41,340
any issues there. And Nicholson has a lot more traffic than Delaware does. So this type

483
00:53:41,340 --> 00:53:50,520
of setup does work well and you can see that based on the traffic data that we have at

484
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:58,660
the posted speed limit of 25 with the A5% tile being 26 miles per hour in the average

485
00:53:58,660 --> 00:54:08,320
to be in 21 that, you know, I think it's a pretty ideal situation, putting a crosswalk

486
00:54:08,320 --> 00:54:10,000
here at this location.

487
00:54:13,380 --> 00:54:22,210
And I guess with that, I'm open to questions from the Planning

488
00:54:22,210 --> 00:54:25,730
Commission or however you want to run at Mr. Lepoint.

489
00:54:25,730 --> 00:54:27,550
All right. Thank you, Mr. Patkey.

490
00:54:28,210 --> 00:54:30,870
This time before we open it up to the commission.

491
00:54:31,730 --> 00:54:33,410
There are quite a few members here in the audience.

492
00:54:33,610 --> 00:54:39,510
I would like to open up Dr. Item number 092626.

493
00:54:40,070 --> 00:54:45,650
Delaware Avenue between Carebell and Glenberry active transportation plan and complete

494
00:54:45,650 --> 00:54:47,530
streets public comment period.

495
00:54:48,010 --> 00:54:51,530
So if there's any members of the public that would like to come and speak

496
00:54:51,530 --> 00:54:54,870
in regards to this item, if you would step to the podium.

497
00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:59,850
State your name and please sign in for the record and see your address.

498
00:55:01,300 --> 00:55:16,240
Sure. We great. Thank you for coming out. Thanks for having me. My name is Dan Zelensky. I live at 2197 Northland Avenue. I have two kids, ages one and a half and three and a half.

499
00:55:18,700 --> 00:55:31,280
And everything that comes with that. So we use this playground here pretty often. I'm sure they'll go to haze and use whatever product comes out of this plan for the duration of their enrollment there.

500
00:55:32,940 --> 00:55:36,600
And I'm pretty, I'm really totally familiar with the Active Transportation Plan.

501
00:55:36,700 --> 00:55:44,660
And I looked at this plan and there were, the thing that jumped out of me was that the

502
00:55:44,660 --> 00:55:52,840
Active Center, the ATP, they called for to consider race crosswalks at, at all three,

503
00:55:52,940 --> 00:55:54,680
Woodward Olive and Carabel.

504
00:55:55,040 --> 00:55:59,800
And actually Olive had called for, to consider a race intersection, to call thing up.

505
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:06,180
Now, when we cross that street, they're all of, and I've done that many times, it is an

506
00:56:06,180 --> 00:56:13,680
issue with people like seeing you and then choosing to yield, you know, it's up here just

507
00:56:13,680 --> 00:56:16,940
the other day and someone they didn't even slow down for the red light at Caramel.

508
00:56:17,860 --> 00:56:26,380
So I think there are some yielding issues with, you know, active, like, light controlling devices.

509
00:56:26,380 --> 00:56:29,640
And I look at this plan, I look at my experiences.

510
00:56:29,900 --> 00:56:33,400
I think of, I don't know how long you

511
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:34,640
get's lived in Cleveland.

512
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,820
But like 15, 20 years ago, there was furniture

513
00:56:38,820 --> 00:56:40,780
sort of downtown, it was North and Furniture.

514
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:42,600
They were the weirdest commercials.

515
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,740
You could, yeah, very, very straight.

516
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:45,560
The only air tonight.

517
00:56:46,240 --> 00:56:48,380
But he had this tagline at the end of every commercial.

518
00:56:48,580 --> 00:56:51,160
And it was, he had a weird voice too.

519
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:55,320
If you can't get credit, my store, you can't get credit anywhere.

520
00:56:55,320 --> 00:57:03,980
serious. It's very strange. So I look at this plan I think if we've

521
00:57:03,980 --> 00:57:09,940
considered race crosswalks in this area and we're concluding that they are not

522
00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:16,480
appropriate here, then they must not be appropriate anywhere in the city

523
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:20,040
Blake. It seems to check a lot of boxes for me as a non-planter,

524
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:27,400
layperson that. There's a playground right there. It's a wide, right of way. It's inside of

525
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:35,400
a school zone. So I have two questions for the city, however they get asked. Is one is what

526
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:46,940
considerations were made for the race crosswalk recommendations from the ATP? And then for this

527
00:57:46,940 --> 00:57:53,440
and guidance within the city, you know, the city's interpretation of, you know, general, general

528
00:57:53,440 --> 00:58:00,000
guidance that would, you know, prevent the use of a race crosswalk in the city generally.

529
00:58:02,170 --> 00:58:09,050
Thanks. Okay, appreciate it. We'll go ahead and log the questions in and then we'll present those

530
00:58:09,050 --> 00:58:15,210
to the city here. So I am taking notes here and we will, we will get some feedback on your questions.

531
00:58:15,210 --> 00:58:15,210
I

532
00:58:18,890 --> 00:58:23,250
don't know, I don't do a lot of public comments, so excuse my nerves.

533
00:58:23,950 --> 00:58:25,110
My name is Maggie McKinney.

534
00:58:25,150 --> 00:58:27,390
I live at 2156 Carabel.

535
00:58:28,610 --> 00:58:34,330
I have a daughter at Hayes and we walk in, like, in this area twice a day every day.

536
00:58:35,170 --> 00:58:40,250
Just wanted to kind of first say, I am super excited about a book like Boulevard coming through here

537
00:58:40,250 --> 00:58:47,010
and to see some improvements in the neighborhood regarding safety for hiking and walking from

538
00:58:47,010 --> 00:58:50,730
When I saw the science, and you're outreach, definitely was working.

539
00:58:52,850 --> 00:58:59,290
Yeah, I guess the main things that I wanted to bring up was as my neighbor kind of brought up.

540
00:58:59,330 --> 00:59:00,950
The improvements to all of specifically.

541
00:59:01,210 --> 00:59:05,290
I'm so excited to see a crosswalk there because it's kind of a crosswalk to deal with.

542
00:59:05,370 --> 00:59:06,630
Or there is no crosswalk obviously.

543
00:59:08,170 --> 00:59:10,310
I'm excited to see curb extensions there.

544
00:59:10,630 --> 00:59:16,530
I'm very interested in the answers to the potential of having the raised crosswalk potentially.

545
00:59:16,530 --> 00:59:23,250
to me that seems like a good way to kind of either slow people down or to maybe

546
00:59:23,250 --> 00:59:28,150
discourage traffic from Delaware in general, especially it's going to be a

547
00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:35,850
bike bullet of art, so that was interesting to me. Also, yeah, just thinking about the

548
00:59:35,850 --> 00:59:41,450
conversation around the bike lane, how to treat bike lanes in that section right in front

549
00:59:41,450 --> 00:59:49,650
I guess what pops into my head is the entry points for students into Hayes on this section, right?

550
00:59:49,770 --> 00:59:55,950
So it's like that entrance on Delaware is where Hayes parents who are walking and biking are supposed to be entering.

551
00:59:56,570 --> 00:59:59,970
And so if you're coming from the east, like if there's no...

552
01:00:00,340 --> 01:00:07,260
Not being no entryway on in front of Northland or right in front, you're basically going to come up on all the right.

553
01:00:07,640 --> 01:00:15,060
And then walk your bike in front of the, excuse me, I'll try my best, I'm shaking here.

554
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:24,320
Yeah, so you kind of be coming on your bike and then unless you're going to pull it up on the curb, you're going to enter here or here to get in there, right?

555
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:30,720
And so just thinking through what those students experience who are biking in this section,

556
01:00:31,040 --> 01:00:35,420
like how they're getting to their little parking lot here, because right now, and just

557
01:00:35,420 --> 01:00:41,220
from like watching people, it's you're coming down here, I've seen people do weird little

558
01:00:41,220 --> 01:00:46,120
diagonal, like bike things like straight across, and then walking their bikes, or sometimes

559
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:51,860
right there bikes on the sidewalk over here, so just kind of thinking through, like, the actual

560
01:00:51,860 --> 01:00:55,780
like lived experience of like the kids who are biking here like how are they getting their bikes

561
01:00:55,780 --> 01:00:58,880
to the rap that's all I wanted to bring up.

562
01:00:59,160 --> 01:00:59,820
Thank you very much.

563
01:00:59,820 --> 01:01:01,120
I appreciate it.

564
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:02,160
I'm so sorry.

565
01:01:16,980 --> 01:01:17,620
Well, welcome.

566
01:01:18,180 --> 01:01:18,220
Hi.

567
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:19,740
Thank you.

568
01:01:19,860 --> 01:01:23,100
Emily Lindbergg, 1651 Lauderdale Avenue.

569
01:01:23,760 --> 01:01:24,960
I have two kids.

570
01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:29,180
My oldest attended Hayes for preschool.

571
01:01:30,140 --> 01:01:34,980
When she was five, even though we are restricted for horse man, we chose to do preschool

572
01:01:34,980 --> 01:01:39,280
at Hayes because it is half the distance from our house

573
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,900
than our district at school, of course, man.

574
01:01:43,220 --> 01:01:46,140
I was a community stakeholder on the active transportation

575
01:01:46,140 --> 01:01:46,740
plan.

576
01:01:49,120 --> 01:01:52,900
And yes, I am very familiar with the active transportation plan.

577
01:01:53,940 --> 01:01:59,460
And like Dan mentioned, I'm very curious why the city

578
01:01:59,460 --> 01:02:09,520
chose not to include those raised crosswalks in this area, um, I would love to see a crosswalk

579
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:20,780
at Northland, um, just, you know, so it is, it is a street that's going right into that elementary

580
01:02:20,780 --> 01:02:28,200
school and, you know, in Ohio, it's my understanding that every intersection is illegal, you know,

581
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:33,140
crossing for pedestrians, so why not just make that prioritization for the

582
01:02:33,140 --> 01:02:38,700
pedestrian directly in front of a school, you know, when you're looking

583
01:02:39,540 --> 01:02:45,960
at that entire section between olive and woodward, that is all signaled as 20

584
01:02:45,960 --> 01:02:51,680
mile per hour during the school, you know, when those are flashing, so that's

585
01:02:51,680 --> 01:03:01,840
something to consider, I agree with the city that the designated bike lane is definitely

586
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:09,480
the way to go in that section, because there is such an expansive width there. However,

587
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:17,460
I am not in love with the idea of what was proposed,

588
01:03:20,860 --> 01:03:24,460
it's, you know, it's what we have on

589
01:03:24,460 --> 01:03:31,360
Madison, and it's not ideal, it is, you know, you get in the situation with the Dorian

590
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:38,860
crashes specifically, so I would like to see something a little more creative put there,

591
01:03:38,860 --> 01:03:46,900
considering that there are no driveways on the school side.

592
01:03:47,580 --> 01:03:53,040
Could it be a bidirectional protected bike wave right there along the school?

593
01:03:53,200 --> 01:03:56,100
And just have the parking on the north side of the street.

594
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:59,000
The school has a parking lot.

595
01:03:59,180 --> 01:04:01,420
There's plenty of parking and first staff.

596
01:04:02,840 --> 01:04:07,320
And the parking lot is where school drop-off is supposed to be.

597
01:04:07,320 --> 01:04:14,140
So, is that parking on the south side of the street really an esoteric, is my question?

598
01:04:16,700 --> 01:04:22,540
Yeah, but raise crosswalk, and the curb extensions love the curb extensions, you curb extensions everywhere.

599
01:04:24,200 --> 01:04:36,840
And then to the point of the lack of site lines, again, curb extensions at Northland would help with that.

600
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:41,840
If there was still parking on that side of the street, so that's all.

601
01:04:42,360 --> 01:04:43,920
Thank you for your considerations.

602
01:05:02,510 --> 01:05:12,750
Well, I hadn't come up with a podium and state your name and jump, Andrews. I guess, yes, yes, yes, we're saying, would you state your address to public?

603
01:05:12,890 --> 01:05:24,510
I love a clip than public. The between woodward and all of it, yes, that was the one where was the separated driving and cycling and then the real system.

604
01:05:24,510 --> 01:05:26,990
So, I wasn't missing something.

605
01:05:27,970 --> 01:05:31,010
What the hell would you do here in the transition point?

606
01:05:31,370 --> 01:05:35,930
Building from a can use the whole plane to the individual one.

607
01:05:36,170 --> 01:05:38,290
Back to, can use the whole plane.

608
01:05:38,990 --> 01:05:39,890
Like, with the driver.

609
01:05:41,390 --> 01:05:43,950
You see, I'm telling you, if you're going along here, you can go to the whole plane.

610
01:05:44,570 --> 01:05:47,130
And then you have your own plane for 500 feet.

611
01:05:47,270 --> 01:05:50,030
And then you go back into the share of the cars.

612
01:05:50,430 --> 01:05:50,910
Is that like,

613
01:05:50,910 --> 01:05:55,370
My understanding was that there was parking at bullsides and there would be a

614
01:05:55,370 --> 01:05:56,250
West Lane

615
01:05:57,410 --> 01:06:02,670
There was enough right of way through that setting. You correct me from wrong. I'm

616
01:06:05,900 --> 01:06:09,020
happy. Yeah, let me get to the slide

617
01:06:11,460 --> 01:06:12,780
I doubt it

618
01:06:13,340 --> 01:06:24,120
That's sure because yes, we have that another I'd like a ton and there was places where it was basically the bike lane dead ends and it's like where do I go and all these much thought put to that

619
01:06:25,820 --> 01:06:29,120
I mean, you know, these are all conceptual.

620
01:06:29,600 --> 01:06:30,980
This is just a start.

621
01:06:31,540 --> 01:06:33,720
This is not like a final design or anything.

622
01:06:33,980 --> 01:06:36,340
This is just a.

623
01:06:36,340 --> 01:06:37,260
I understand you.

624
01:06:37,300 --> 01:06:39,500
My buddy lives right there in the corner for two doors down.

625
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:41,060
And I get the good habit.

626
01:06:42,120 --> 01:06:45,140
But the transition to and from that makes no sense.

627
01:06:46,680 --> 01:06:47,640
You're in the right of the way.

628
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:48,440
Okay.

629
01:06:49,200 --> 01:06:50,820
Put it in the section of the street with the whole street.

630
01:06:50,820 --> 01:06:54,800
We'll go over, of course, your comment and we'll have the engineer step through it and a little more detail.

631
01:06:54,960 --> 01:06:55,720
I appreciate it.

632
01:06:55,860 --> 01:06:57,020
And then it's the one question.

633
01:06:57,780 --> 01:07:00,860
Can you, can you cross when there's no crosswalk or no light?

634
01:07:01,900 --> 01:07:03,240
Like is that like a legal maneuver?

635
01:07:04,460 --> 01:07:06,640
Like saying, oh, this is out for this woodward.

636
01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:07,400
It's not a light there.

637
01:07:08,740 --> 01:07:10,620
Can you, can you, can you cross with this idea?

638
01:07:10,620 --> 01:07:11,680
It's a light at woodward, right?

639
01:07:14,170 --> 01:07:15,070
Can you cross?

640
01:07:15,530 --> 01:07:16,910
I guess I don't understand your question.

641
01:07:17,330 --> 01:07:19,410
Like, oh, I don't know if there's no crosswalk there, no?

642
01:07:19,450 --> 01:07:21,530
Are you allowed to just cross across the street?

643
01:07:22,470 --> 01:07:24,130
like we believe in it.

644
01:07:24,270 --> 01:07:24,550
I don't know.

645
01:07:25,650 --> 01:07:26,170
Right.

646
01:07:26,390 --> 01:07:28,250
I did not know that was actually through the rules.

647
01:07:31,370 --> 01:07:31,810
Oh, really?

648
01:07:32,890 --> 01:07:33,870
But you can take it for.

649
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:40,860
Thanks, son.

650
01:07:41,220 --> 01:07:41,260
Hi.

651
01:07:41,780 --> 01:07:42,620
Have this.

652
01:07:55,170 --> 01:07:57,990
Any other members of the public like to speak?

653
01:08:03,770 --> 01:08:06,890
Bill Zimmerman, 2264 Woodward,

654
01:08:07,310 --> 01:08:09,150
Kitty Corner from Hayes.

655
01:08:09,730 --> 01:08:11,050
So I had a couple of comments.

656
01:08:12,670 --> 01:08:14,530
Alt B with the bike lanes.

657
01:08:14,530 --> 01:08:21,190
During school hours, people drop their kids off in front of Hayes.

658
01:08:21,690 --> 01:08:28,110
They're pulling in, they're pulling out at bike lanes in my opinion, that's not a good idea.

659
01:08:29,650 --> 01:08:34,950
Just keep the full lane signs, you're just going to really confuse people that are coming

660
01:08:34,950 --> 01:08:42,190
to pick up their kids, all right, curb extensions, where else in Lakewood can I see those?

661
01:08:43,370 --> 01:08:45,190
Where else have we done this?

662
01:08:49,920 --> 01:08:49,940
Where?

663
01:08:52,120 --> 01:08:53,320
Lakeland and Madison?

664
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:55,560
Northland.

665
01:08:57,800 --> 01:08:59,760
We'll ask the city engineer some other.

666
01:09:00,420 --> 01:09:00,900
Yes.

667
01:09:00,900 --> 01:09:01,620
Some other examples.

668
01:09:02,280 --> 01:09:03,540
It's kind of like the CDs.

669
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:06,940
A lot of them do, yeah.

670
01:09:07,020 --> 01:09:07,120
Yeah.

671
01:09:07,220 --> 01:09:07,900
I'd like the CDs.

672
01:09:09,980 --> 01:09:10,460
Okay.

673
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:11,100
Cool.

674
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:12,580
I want to feel a few things like that.

675
01:09:14,620 --> 01:09:16,860
The raised crosswalks.

676
01:09:16,860 --> 01:09:18,720
those are basically speed bumps,

677
01:09:22,140 --> 01:09:22,140
right?

678
01:09:22,360 --> 01:09:24,220
They're pretty much like speed tables.

679
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:26,580
You've just raised the crosswalk up.

680
01:09:29,700 --> 01:09:30,080
OK.

681
01:09:32,160 --> 01:09:34,380
Oh, a couple other things here.

682
01:09:42,630 --> 01:09:47,880
Now, so I got to go backwards here.

683
01:09:48,000 --> 01:09:49,880
What problem is this addressing?

684
01:09:50,020 --> 01:09:52,520
What problem are y'all trying to solve here?

685
01:09:52,900 --> 01:09:55,400
I was a student at Hayes when I was a kid.

686
01:09:55,400 --> 01:09:59,980
My son went to Hayes. I live kitty corner from Hayes. So I get to see him.

687
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:07,480
All the traffic, I'm retired now, I sit on my front porch and watch the kids go to school, come to school, all that stuff.

688
01:10:08,660 --> 01:10:27,980
So, again, you know, what's the driving force behind all of this? I ride a bike, I also drive a car, and you know, bike lanes are good things. I like it, but, you know, being a bicyclist, you have to be aware of your surroundings.

689
01:10:28,480 --> 01:10:34,980
If I'm going to use the full lane, I have to be aware of the cars that are around me, and they got to be aware of me too.

690
01:10:36,760 --> 01:10:40,080
Anyway, I got to get off my soap box.

691
01:10:42,340 --> 01:10:45,160
I think that was about it.

692
01:10:45,700 --> 01:10:48,780
Oh, the pedestrian refuge island.

693
01:10:49,080 --> 01:10:53,640
Is that just because it's a really wide intersection there?

694
01:10:53,640 --> 01:11:04,320
And then if you do the pedestrian refuge island, does that mean two shorter crosswalks and

695
01:11:04,320 --> 01:11:06,620
eliminate the need for curb extensions?

696
01:11:11,460 --> 01:11:12,860
Well, present that to the engineer.

697
01:11:13,960 --> 01:11:14,120
Okay.

698
01:11:14,760 --> 01:11:14,780
Cool.

699
01:11:16,620 --> 01:11:18,760
And I think that was about all I have.

700
01:11:19,740 --> 01:11:20,020
All right.

701
01:11:20,360 --> 01:11:20,440
Thank you.

702
01:11:20,440 --> 01:11:21,220
Mr. Zimmerman.

703
01:11:28,100 --> 01:11:28,760
I'm very sorry.

704
01:11:29,180 --> 01:11:32,040
And I also live at 2, 2, 6, 4 would award.

705
01:11:32,040 --> 01:11:35,980
We've been there 40 years, and I consider myself

706
01:11:35,980 --> 01:11:38,780
expert in the neighborhood, and being there, like you said,

707
01:11:38,920 --> 01:11:42,380
we waste our kids there, been there a long time.

708
01:11:43,340 --> 01:11:49,040
It's a lot for a small section, segment of our street.

709
01:11:49,900 --> 01:11:51,280
A lot has been presented today.

710
01:11:51,420 --> 01:11:53,260
Some other things I would like to have,

711
01:11:53,260 --> 01:11:55,320
I'll present to you to keep on the consideration,

712
01:11:57,060 --> 01:12:01,580
are like, like it's a lot, we have to live with whatever

713
01:12:01,580 --> 01:12:05,700
consequences of the community, whatever they put forth.

714
01:12:06,400 --> 01:12:10,540
We have been there a long time, and I'm going to get nervous, but that's okay.

715
01:12:11,980 --> 01:12:16,680
Like the awkward traffic calming down on Lord Woodward, we have to live with that.

716
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:17,920
Nobody wants that anymore.

717
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:20,000
So now we're doing other stuff.

718
01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:26,960
I want to make sure we avoid the same fate of our end of Lakewood being like the giddy

719
01:12:26,960 --> 01:12:32,280
area for all of this experiments that may or may not work in the long term.

720
01:12:32,960 --> 01:12:34,200
We have to live with the consequences.

721
01:12:34,720 --> 01:12:38,860
You guys, your service to this committee is appreciated, but you won't move on.

722
01:12:39,280 --> 01:12:40,440
And we will still be there.

723
01:12:42,820 --> 01:12:45,920
We have the trapping calming area in lower woodward.

724
01:12:46,140 --> 01:12:51,720
We also have the perpetual crosswalk of woodward in Delaware that never seems to be fixed properly.

725
01:12:52,320 --> 01:13:01,740
always crap, not say, never gets repaired. I have, we just put speed bumps on wood work.

726
01:13:02,260 --> 01:13:06,940
One of them when it rains, we get a lake now. And it stays there for a while.

727
01:13:07,760 --> 01:13:10,440
That's an unintended consequence that there's no drainage there.

728
01:13:10,440 --> 01:13:14,220
It drains eventually, but it's going to be slush in the wintertime, I'm sure.

729
01:13:14,700 --> 01:13:16,200
But we have to live with that.

730
01:13:18,740 --> 01:13:19,280
Let's see.

731
01:13:23,070 --> 01:13:31,430
So I'm looking at the, you race sidewalks, I feel that that would also be one of those things that would I have to the drainage problem.

732
01:13:31,950 --> 01:13:44,470
I am known for walking around with the stick and just like trying to get all of the, the drains to flow when there's full of, you know, leaves and slosh and all of that, I do it myself.

733
01:13:46,420 --> 01:13:56,520
So I think that that needs to be considered and I do invite you to drive up woodward after a good rain and see the lake that I refer to it's there.

734
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:08,860
It took you know even to get my drain in front of my house on woodward to be drained because I have my own personal lake that accumulates there.

735
01:14:08,860 --> 01:14:13,440
I call the city three times three months in a row would not show up.

736
01:14:13,740 --> 01:14:18,880
I had to call my councilman who immediately then we had action on that.

737
01:14:19,060 --> 01:14:31,240
Those are consequences that we have to live with and I have to go through the hassle of having to call a councilman to get something as simple as a train cleared in my neighborhood.

738
01:14:33,580 --> 01:14:39,740
So, for the curve extensions, my comments are, I used to be MS, I used to be a paramedic.

739
01:14:40,540 --> 01:14:43,700
And I sit on my front porch as often as I can.

740
01:14:44,120 --> 01:14:47,860
Even when it's thunderstorm, when it's cold out, I sit outside.

741
01:14:48,660 --> 01:14:54,100
Woodward is heavily translated by our safety personnel, ask anyone of them.

742
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:54,960
Call them.

743
01:14:55,100 --> 01:14:58,480
See, how do we get to our all the accidents that we have on McKinley?

744
01:14:59,180 --> 01:14:59,980
they will tell you

745
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:06,080
It is woodward district that they take. Please keep that safety in mind. It's very important.

746
01:15:09,900 --> 01:15:18,900
But the other thing about the curb extension, because I live there for so long, and we sit there, we see, and I think you refer to that, that wide.

747
01:15:21,320 --> 01:15:28,040
The width from the streets, we have the same thing happening on woodward. So on this end, on this end, the woodward.

748
01:15:28,040 --> 01:15:29,480
How do I do this?

749
01:15:30,060 --> 01:15:32,440
OK, on this end of woodward, there's no car's part.

750
01:15:33,020 --> 01:15:34,940
So it's nice and warm, wide.

751
01:15:35,420 --> 01:15:39,640
So the car's coming from Cleveland, have nice EC wide roads.

752
01:15:40,080 --> 01:15:42,520
As soon as they cross, this car's here.

753
01:15:42,900 --> 01:15:45,100
This is where I see the site's wife's happening.

754
01:15:45,840 --> 01:15:48,860
I've seen that three times in 40 years, which is not bad.

755
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:54,140
But what happens is they get their perception changes.

756
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:56,400
And I'm witnessing it myself.

757
01:15:57,480 --> 01:16:03,480
So that is the consideration to have when you doing all of that fancy work and corners and stuff like that.

758
01:16:03,940 --> 01:16:10,160
I disagree with that, at least on this end, that I've noticed.

759
01:16:10,840 --> 01:16:11,880
I'm observed.

760
01:16:13,240 --> 01:16:13,940
Let's see.

761
01:16:17,880 --> 01:16:21,840
So yeah, that perception I think is something that you really need to consider.

762
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:30,700
The nearing of the road is just at record angles, especially on something that we're not that used to, is to be considered.

763
01:16:32,240 --> 01:16:40,020
The other thing that I thought was kind of odd, if you go back to, like, whether children have to be closer to traffic, when you pull that out,

764
01:16:40,140 --> 01:16:43,240
they're actually closer to the traffic that we're trying to keep them on way.

765
01:16:43,640 --> 01:16:50,280
I think a lot of this, we have to remember that Hayes is there, and I think a lot of the parents have come in and they are.

766
01:16:50,280 --> 01:17:00,320
But when we're talking about, yeah, when we're talking about the children, they're supposed to be a little bit closer to traffic, which I don't think that's safer.

767
01:17:05,750 --> 01:17:13,650
I think the safety islands, I definitely not necessarily, because I'm just going to hang out there.

768
01:17:13,650 --> 01:17:19,050
and it's like we have never had a problem. I've never seen a problem in people crossing the sidewalk.

769
01:17:19,650 --> 01:17:26,770
We have ample timing. It worked perfectly. On the other side when they do remove the crossing guy,

770
01:17:26,990 --> 01:17:31,490
which I love having crossing guards. There's such an asset to our community,

771
01:17:32,050 --> 01:17:34,950
but I understand the lights. I'm okay with that too.

772
01:17:36,590 --> 01:17:41,030
But to respect everybody else's time too, is there certain things that we can

773
01:17:41,030 --> 01:17:47,070
definitively just about five minutes okay I'm almost done all right if you

774
01:17:47,070 --> 01:17:51,850
indulge me so my advice is just to yeah it's gonna interfere with a lot of

775
01:17:51,850 --> 01:17:56,310
the activity at Hase like the drop-off that pick-up feel day it's gonna

776
01:17:56,310 --> 01:18:00,610
feel day if you put all of this barriers in the way that are really not needed

777
01:18:00,610 --> 01:18:05,550
because your only data presented to us tonight showed that we are let we're

778
01:18:05,550 --> 01:18:15,170
borderline at best. We don't qualify for that same diagram that you told us. Most of the traffic

779
01:18:15,170 --> 01:18:19,670
we get a Delaware is quiet up there. Most of the traffic we get a Delaware is the school.

780
01:18:20,930 --> 01:18:24,570
Is the school? So my advice is to the community just keep a simple fixed

781
01:18:24,570 --> 01:18:29,350
curves. They've been like that forever. Fixed the curves. Do what you have to do. Put the bike

782
01:18:29,350 --> 01:18:36,330
put the markings, but keep it simple. It's not broken. Your data showed it. Don't fix it.

783
01:18:36,930 --> 01:18:42,590
And other than that, I thank you for your time for the community. Thank you.

784
01:18:54,670 --> 01:18:57,890
I will be brief. I agree with her entirely.

785
01:18:58,110 --> 01:19:00,150
Would you state your name and address?

786
01:19:02,030 --> 01:19:05,770
I live on the corner of Eldron in what word.

787
01:19:05,770 --> 01:19:13,110
this intersection is in sight. I see the kids every day going to school. What can you also

788
01:19:13,110 --> 01:19:16,790
state your name? So I know how to address you, please. Your name, please.

789
01:19:18,430 --> 01:19:27,550
It's two, two, four, nine, elders on the corner of work. And every day, the parents for a period

790
01:19:27,550 --> 01:19:36,630
of five minutes maybe ten are driving up on Delaware across the street parking legally

791
01:19:37,550 --> 01:19:44,610
on the south side of the street waiting to their kids come out across the street into

792
01:19:44,610 --> 01:19:51,810
their car and we if you put a bike line there you're going to have car doors slamming

793
01:19:51,810 --> 01:19:59,970
kids all day all the time. Especially if you put it on both sides of the street because it's not what.

794
01:20:00,940 --> 01:20:06,420
And we'll be one more lakewood street that you can't drive on.

795
01:20:06,760 --> 01:20:06,880
But

796
01:20:10,340 --> 01:20:12,280
so

797
01:20:35,480 --> 01:20:39,000
I think this is a solution in search of a problem.

798
01:20:39,340 --> 01:20:40,260
Thank you, Mrs. Swartz.

799
01:20:45,040 --> 01:20:45,260
Go ahead.

800
01:20:52,320 --> 01:20:52,580
Hello.

801
01:20:53,560 --> 01:20:54,420
My name is Cody George.

802
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:55,160
21.

803
01:20:57,480 --> 01:20:58,160
Windot.

804
01:20:59,400 --> 01:21:02,620
I appreciate the effort on Delaware.

805
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:07,760
I hope that the effective solutions that we come up with.

806
01:21:07,760 --> 01:21:17,440
can extend east on Delaware as well and hopefully be an example for Athens and other streets like this in the future.

807
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:24,880
I wanted to give just notes on some maybe actionable things.

808
01:21:26,660 --> 01:21:35,520
I like when the buffer zone on bike lanes are between the car and the bike.

809
01:21:35,520 --> 01:21:41,640
Um, when I'm on Madison, for example, I don't, I ride right on the line.

810
01:21:42,680 --> 01:21:46,020
Case the door kind of pops open on me, which happens a lot.

811
01:21:47,000 --> 01:21:48,680
Um, that's one thing.

812
01:21:49,660 --> 01:21:54,520
Uh, I appreciate, um, previous, um,

813
01:21:55,480 --> 01:21:57,940
commenters about the raise crosswalks.

814
01:21:57,940 --> 01:22:01,220
I think that's if it's in the ATP, and that was identified.

815
01:22:02,060 --> 01:22:04,400
And I think it would improve safety in that quarter.

816
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:12,440
I think we should at least give the option, like when we when we show these options in this, the most effective solution should be shown.

817
01:22:13,540 --> 01:22:30,760
Even if it slows down, our budget for projects in the future, I'd like to see one effective project every five years rather than five that are paint, paint, in my opinion, as not protective, but infrastructure is infrastructure permanent.

818
01:22:32,380 --> 01:22:35,320
I'm sorry, I got away from the actual actionable items.

819
01:22:37,500 --> 01:22:45,200
If there's issues at Northland, as was mentioned with cars being in the way, it would make

820
01:22:45,200 --> 01:22:51,280
sense to me that maybe we block off some parking spots there or as it was mentioned to put curb

821
01:22:51,280 --> 01:22:51,920
extensions there.

822
01:22:51,980 --> 01:22:58,280
There's an issue that we admit that there is visibility, then that could make some sense there.

823
01:22:59,040 --> 01:23:24,580
And in light of some concerns about that the wide section in how kids might come in and out to cross over to the school, perhaps just a big old colors paint all the way across, so that people kind of know that that's a kid's own, you know, that could help drivers in the area if it was all painted through there.

824
01:23:24,580 --> 01:23:27,280
I've seen them in some active streets in one night.

825
01:23:27,980 --> 01:23:30,340
So that's just an idea that I hadn't thought about previously.

826
01:23:30,700 --> 01:23:32,200
So many problems with that.

827
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:32,800
I'm guessing.

828
01:23:35,380 --> 01:23:38,300
And the last thing is, I was biking to the Guardian's

829
01:23:38,300 --> 01:23:42,460
game last night, I took 65th, which is a painted bike

830
01:23:42,460 --> 01:23:42,980
plane.

831
01:23:43,300 --> 01:23:48,340
I saw two other bikes in my journey up 65th to Franklin.

832
01:23:49,420 --> 01:23:51,260
And both of those bikes are on the sidewalk.

833
01:23:52,840 --> 01:23:59,280
I saw, I turned on a Franklin, which are there, there's infrastructure there now, very clean one.

834
01:24:00,660 --> 01:24:11,260
And I saw three scooters, and I saw two bicycles, and they were all in the street being safely passed by cars going appropriate speed.

835
01:24:12,980 --> 01:24:17,340
It was anecdotal, right, but I think it speaks to what I see every day.

836
01:24:17,560 --> 01:24:22,560
I think infrastructure can be a really good thing here, and extend the east on Delaware,

837
01:24:23,160 --> 01:24:30,840
and also on Athens, but that's kind of my message there, and I appreciate you guys work

838
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:31,860
on this.

839
01:24:31,860 --> 01:24:36,620
And I hope to see this infrastructure improvement for the next 40-50 years that I want

840
01:24:36,620 --> 01:24:36,980
to live here.

841
01:24:37,480 --> 01:24:39,120
So, thank you very much.

842
01:24:40,340 --> 01:24:40,640
Thank you.

843
01:24:40,820 --> 01:24:41,760
I'll sign it.

844
01:24:54,340 --> 01:24:55,600
You took the pen.

845
01:24:57,900 --> 01:24:58,680
Oh, it's your pen.

846
01:24:59,060 --> 01:24:59,560
There's no pen.

847
01:24:59,660 --> 01:24:59,960
You did it.

848
01:25:00,640 --> 01:25:02,040
Anyhow, my name is Steve.

849
01:25:05,330 --> 01:25:09,150
Well, there's no more room on the sheet.

850
01:25:12,590 --> 01:25:13,030
I mean,

851
01:25:15,120 --> 01:25:15,540
sure.

852
01:25:22,960 --> 01:25:29,020
I mean, Steve Boja, I'm at 1, 6, 6, 1, 5, Delaware Avenue, which is at the intersection

853
01:25:29,020 --> 01:25:30,220
of Delaware and Eldred.

854
01:25:33,400 --> 01:25:37,360
I have a question. First question is, when is the water replacement

855
01:25:39,060 --> 01:25:39,500
I

856
01:25:41,650 --> 01:25:50,990
believe it's 2028, but we will, the design work will be occurring next year to come up with the final plans and then the construction activity is scheduled.

857
01:25:51,530 --> 01:25:54,110
Because obviously this is gall going to be happening after the war.

858
01:25:55,290 --> 01:25:55,570
Correct.

859
01:25:56,290 --> 01:25:56,690
It's in peril.

860
01:25:56,870 --> 01:25:57,910
It's part of the same project.

861
01:26:01,390 --> 01:26:03,970
There's plenty of time before.

862
01:26:05,390 --> 01:26:06,350
Yes, quite a bit of time.

863
01:26:07,250 --> 01:26:08,750
Just a couple of thoughts.

864
01:26:08,750 --> 01:26:13,550
I had no idea what I was going to be walking into tonight because the letter and everything

865
01:26:13,550 --> 01:26:22,230
was pretty vague, but some things that you really do need to understand is that at the end of

866
01:26:22,230 --> 01:26:31,890
the school day, like Karen said, there are cars that do park all the way back to Atkins

867
01:26:31,890 --> 01:26:41,730
of parents waiting for their kids to walk down from, from, from Hayes, happens every day.

868
01:26:42,630 --> 01:26:47,250
I don't know how that would fit in, or how you see that, but, you know, it happens.

869
01:26:48,110 --> 01:26:50,350
And then, I mean, they're there for a little while, and they're gone.

870
01:26:51,390 --> 01:26:54,590
So it's really busier around that time.

871
01:26:56,030 --> 01:27:00,570
Is it a problem? I have no idea, but it's something you need to understand that it really does happen.

872
01:27:00,570 --> 01:27:09,110
The other thing, too, is that the data that the was collected electronically is kind of

873
01:27:09,110 --> 01:27:17,190
skewed because people fly down Delaware, especially our section after the school,

874
01:27:20,330 --> 01:27:20,910
and they

875
01:27:20,910 --> 01:27:31,530
take that left turn at Atkins at a high rate of speed all the time to get on a 90. Cars always

876
01:27:31,530 --> 01:27:36,910
are flying down there. Once they get past the school, it's like once they pass the school

877
01:27:36,910 --> 01:27:41,170
that it's like permission to speed up because they can see that 90 is there.

878
01:27:43,310 --> 01:27:44,750
It happens all

879
01:27:44,750 --> 01:27:55,610
long so I have no skin in the game basically on the speed tables around the elementary

880
01:27:55,610 --> 01:28:02,690
schools but I think it's probably a good idea and we should probably do them at all

881
01:28:02,690 --> 01:28:09,030
elementary schools if we you know think about it so I just want to just throw my

882
01:28:09,030 --> 01:28:20,200
support behind that. I went to Hayes. That's my childhood home. I grew up there. I went

883
01:28:20,200 --> 01:28:22,680
away for a while, came back to Lakewood.

884
01:28:24,720 --> 01:28:29,980
So I won't tell you how old I am, but I'm trying to

885
01:28:29,980 --> 01:28:30,320
guess.

886
01:28:33,140 --> 01:28:38,000
Once again, I consider myself an expert too on the neighborhood. But these are things

887
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:43,040
you should know, you know, the entire street is basically a school zone at the end of the day.

888
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:54,460
Drainage issues, I hope that will be settled with the project, but you know, she is absolutely

889
01:28:54,460 --> 01:29:03,400
correct. The speed bumps on woodward are creating a hazard there. There is a lot of standing water.

890
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:13,080
When Hilliard was repaved recently, there was always standing water at the end of Eldridden Hilliard,

891
01:29:13,940 --> 01:29:20,440
and it's been reduced, but there's still standing water at that intersection there.

892
01:29:21,660 --> 01:29:24,400
The drainage is not really what it should be.

893
01:29:30,610 --> 01:29:32,610
That's really all I have to say.

894
01:29:32,610 --> 01:29:39,370
But so 2028 is when we're looking at that water member, please.

895
01:29:39,890 --> 01:29:40,130
Okay.

896
01:29:41,190 --> 01:29:41,430
All right.

897
01:29:41,630 --> 01:29:42,050
Thank you.

898
01:29:42,110 --> 01:29:42,370
Yeah.

899
01:29:42,390 --> 01:29:43,630
Thank you very much.

900
01:29:45,690 --> 01:29:45,830
All right.

901
01:29:46,010 --> 01:29:49,490
With that, I think we've been through public comment period.

902
01:29:49,590 --> 01:29:52,830
And I will go ahead and close public comment period for this item.

903
01:29:54,190 --> 01:29:54,450
All right.

904
01:29:54,690 --> 01:29:55,250
Mr. Papki.

905
01:29:55,450 --> 01:29:57,850
I have a member of questions here.

906
01:29:59,210 --> 01:29:59,670
First of all.

907
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:27,240
With dance questions specific to the active trample, prior to diving in the specifics, if you could just step us back and kind of just take the global view of what is the active transportation plan and kind of how does this little, this is just a little nugget or a puzzle piece here in a larger framework, if you could just kind of provide us with a little bit of context here.

908
01:30:27,240 --> 01:30:30,260
and not the forest versus looking at the tree.

909
01:30:31,500 --> 01:30:39,640
So yeah, the active transportation plan was developed basically to look at, you know,

910
01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:47,060
most, you know, ways that, you know, can improve safety for pedestrians and bicyclists

911
01:30:47,060 --> 01:30:47,860
throughout the city.

912
01:30:47,980 --> 01:30:56,860
It looked at main corridors and, you know, which corridors could use improvements for

913
01:30:56,860 --> 01:31:02,300
active lifestyle that Lakewood has, you know, with us being high density, there's a lot of

914
01:31:02,300 --> 01:31:09,600
people that walk, a lot of people that bike. So, you know, it's trying to make improvements for

915
01:31:09,600 --> 01:31:15,220
that active lifestyle that, you know, we're accustomed to here than Lakewood.

916
01:31:15,620 --> 01:31:20,020
This plan was that vetted and reviewed and went through quite a few approvals.

917
01:31:20,020 --> 01:31:28,340
Yeah, I mean, there's a stakeholder committee and we met over years, there's a design consultant

918
01:31:28,340 --> 01:31:36,240
that looked at a lot of data, they looked at where a lot of people are biking, where a lot of

919
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:48,800
people are walking and that plan basically came up with all the priority project numbers that we

920
01:31:48,800 --> 01:31:56,200
have listed and, you know, it basically looked at, you know, it has priority 1 projects,

921
01:31:56,520 --> 01:32:01,560
2s and 3s, you know, which ones are the highest priorities, you know, and, you know,

922
01:32:01,740 --> 01:32:09,440
Bunch Road is the first major, you know, ATP project that the city is carrying through

923
01:32:09,440 --> 01:32:10,000
right now.

924
01:32:10,060 --> 01:32:15,820
So, you know, it's just looking at, you know, a lot of these are, you know, next to the

925
01:32:15,820 --> 01:32:23,720
the world's libraries, parks, you know, it's just how we're getting folks to those areas

926
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:25,000
of high interest.

927
01:32:26,860 --> 01:32:27,420
Thank you.

928
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:34,640
And then, how do we why when we look at this project, what's driving this project and my

929
01:32:34,640 --> 01:32:39,300
understanding is and correct me if I'm wrong is when we go to undertake a project that was

930
01:32:39,300 --> 01:32:44,780
included is part of the active transportation plan we are now evaluating what modifications

931
01:32:44,780 --> 01:32:50,340
and the water made work here is driving this section and this implementation.

932
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:57,680
Yeah, basically the complete streets ordinance is really what's the driving force to this,

933
01:32:57,860 --> 01:33:02,860
the complete street ordinance says if you're doing a water main project,

934
01:33:02,860 --> 01:33:10,660
on a street and resurfacing it and it entails anything from the active transportation plan,

935
01:33:10,660 --> 01:33:18,040
you shall come to planning commission and solicit their feedback as well as public comment.

936
01:33:18,240 --> 01:33:20,420
So that's the driving factor.

937
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:26,260
Okay. Thanks for setting the table for us. Now with that, can we dive into some of the specific

938
01:33:26,260 --> 01:33:32,400
questions that the public had? The first is specific to the raised crosswalk recommendations that

939
01:33:32,400 --> 01:33:40,500
were in. There was a two-fold questions is where raised crosswalks considered, can they be considered,

940
01:33:40,500 --> 01:33:49,600
and then what is the driving criteria for when race crosswalks would be suitable versus non-suitable and liquid?

941
01:33:50,760 --> 01:34:03,400
Yeah, so race crosswalks are, you know, our safety forces are not in favor of them, as well as our public works team for piling.

942
01:34:03,400 --> 01:34:15,380
with the safety forces, you know, our trucks bottom out on those, they're not in favor of them.

943
01:34:16,000 --> 01:34:23,260
Also, you know, as then that has been pointed out, drainage is a big concern.

944
01:34:23,260 --> 01:34:33,420
We have a very finicky drainage system here in Lakewood, sometimes, you know, adding catch

945
01:34:33,420 --> 01:34:44,800
basins at locations can really cause problems, basement backups, and we don't want

946
01:34:44,800 --> 01:34:45,460
that.

947
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:54,200
Those have to be if we are considering that, you know, you're talking about adding in a lot more infrastructure.

948
01:34:55,820 --> 01:34:59,980
You're looking, we do have to, you know, if you look on my mice.

949
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:11,540
Slide, even when we're looking at these curb extensions, we have to do hydraulic modeling to make sure

950
01:35:11,540 --> 01:35:29,980
that that's even feasible, because we have to look and make sure that it's subject to

951
01:35:29,980 --> 01:35:30,560
matters.

952
01:35:32,620 --> 01:35:39,460
So we're looking at this as a conceptual thing. It's possible that it may not work

953
01:35:39,460 --> 01:35:49,120
if we can't. Like I said, we do have a thinicky system. We found that out from other projects

954
01:35:49,120 --> 01:35:56,820
where we thought we were solving problems and adding more catch basins where we ended up experiencing

955
01:35:56,820 --> 01:36:03,000
some basement backups and we had, you know, changed the plan and do things.

956
01:36:03,960 --> 01:36:12,180
So, you know, we're doing with sewers that were put in in the early 1900s and, you know,

957
01:36:12,640 --> 01:36:22,160
they're predominantly eight inch diameters, sanitary and usually, you know, like 12 inch

958
01:36:22,160 --> 01:36:42,120
And, you know, you almost have to redesign the whole city for, you know, all the amount of stormwater that we're getting now versus what was happening in the 1900s with all the development we've had and, you know, the storm events that we're seeing now.

959
01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:48,720
Okay, so that this second folder, the second, that was a little bit more

960
01:36:48,720 --> 01:36:54,260
product-specific and understanding of the better, the things that would need to be in place

961
01:36:54,260 --> 01:36:59,260
for it to work, are there any places within the city that you think there would be

962
01:36:59,260 --> 01:37:04,500
opportunities to do that, I guess, from a more generic standpoint, answer the second piece of that?

963
01:37:04,500 --> 01:37:12,160
Um, you know, it's basically a case by case basis, but I can tell you, um, you know, I think

964
01:37:12,160 --> 01:37:19,740
safety forces probably out will, you know, anything else with that.

965
01:37:20,700 --> 01:37:21,160
All right.

966
01:37:22,200 --> 01:37:30,160
Um, next questions that are next comments were specific to these, kind of the alternate that

967
01:37:30,160 --> 01:37:37,200
was presented and I get, I will open up the commissioners here as well for comments.

968
01:37:38,040 --> 01:37:46,680
We transition from the shared lane into the designated byclane parking lanes and one

969
01:37:46,680 --> 01:37:51,860
of the members of the public also recommended potentially getting creative and considering

970
01:37:51,860 --> 01:37:57,300
an option that is not on or was presented here, potentially maybe directing the bikes

971
01:37:57,300 --> 01:38:02,740
towards the side of the school to direct children towards the entrance of the school.

972
01:38:03,460 --> 01:38:07,440
But again, there's transition concerns about how do you go from one to another.

973
01:38:08,420 --> 01:38:12,400
I guess I will open up to the commissioners. Do you have any feedback or comments on this?

974
01:38:12,900 --> 01:38:13,940
Commissioner Sanderson.

975
01:38:15,860 --> 01:38:22,460
I think you address my comment in that, you know, it's great for the bike lane section,

976
01:38:22,460 --> 01:38:32,540
But then you're basically having to cross traffic to movements at the end of the bike lanes, and I would not be in favor of that.

977
01:38:36,520 --> 01:38:37,680
Members of the commission?

978
01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:38,480
Yes.

979
01:38:38,880 --> 01:38:39,220
Not so.

980
01:38:40,600 --> 01:38:49,060
I did have the same idea about whether the buffer ought to be between the bike lane and the parking lane as opposed to the travel lane.

981
01:38:51,140 --> 01:38:57,150
I think the traffic has been demonstrated to be slow enough here that maybe it won't be

982
01:38:57,150 --> 01:39:02,870
an issue either way, but I think it should be considered at least whether that if we go

983
01:39:02,870 --> 01:39:06,770
with option B, whether that buffer should be on the left or right side of the way.

984
01:39:12,780 --> 01:39:14,040
I had a very clear question.

985
01:39:14,480 --> 01:39:20,480
I mean, honest with you, if I may, so there was a suggestion that it was a bidirectional

986
01:39:20,480 --> 01:39:25,060
like Lane in front of section where the bike lane was going to be added.

987
01:39:25,240 --> 01:39:26,820
It was a two options presented.

988
01:39:26,960 --> 01:39:33,300
One was a share, share row, keep it simple, standard, the same way, transition in front

989
01:39:33,300 --> 01:39:38,080
of the school, transition back out of this, or one of the members of the public also said,

990
01:39:38,080 --> 01:39:43,720
is there an option we're not thinking of here related to potentially trying to, like, your

991
01:39:43,720 --> 01:39:47,860
direct, protect the biking, and maybe direct it more towards the school.

992
01:39:47,860 --> 01:39:59,640
So I misunderstood and I apologize but someone did bring up about bi-directional and I would not be in favor of that because of the double having to cross to get in and get out.

993
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:23,460
I agree with Commissioner Reece Lee putting the offer on the parking lane side. I mean, frankly, ideally, I like the bike lane against a curb and the parking to basically shield the lane, but I don't know that that's a standard design would be used in the lanes. I apologize for the confusion.

994
01:40:23,460 --> 01:40:29,260
It was also going to ask if that was something that was considered for the design of the

995
01:40:29,260 --> 01:40:35,680
bike lane section, was if the bike lane could be put up against the curb, also acknowledging

996
01:40:36,180 --> 01:40:41,480
that in front of the school, there's going to be a lot of kids throwing the door open,

997
01:40:41,920 --> 01:40:42,580
just winging it.

998
01:40:42,620 --> 01:40:46,340
They're not going to look like the driver is going to look, so I guess that would be something

999
01:40:46,340 --> 01:40:51,300
to consider for putting that on the school side at the curb.

1000
01:40:52,700 --> 01:41:07,340
The other option, I guess, would be more infrastructure heavy, which would be building a multi-purpose trail at sidewalk level, and then having that parking be at the curb, where you build that trail.

1001
01:41:16,490 --> 01:41:19,550
I'm not sure we had clear recommendations there for you, Mr. President.

1002
01:41:19,930 --> 01:41:21,390
Good luck with that.

1003
01:41:25,450 --> 01:41:51,370
I guess, you know, just, you know, but the, like, bi-directional against the school side, but it's, you know, I guess what I'm hearing from the people that live here, it sounds like a lot of people are getting dropped off here, and I guess putting a bi-directional, probably wouldn't make sense if,

1004
01:41:51,370 --> 01:41:55,010
You know, this is like the drop off pickup zone.

1005
01:43:03,060 --> 01:43:07,820
I'm going to go ahead and keep running through our questions here with the board.

1006
01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:13,180
This will, as a reminder, this will, this is stage one.

1007
01:43:13,200 --> 01:43:15,220
This will be coming back before the public.

1008
01:43:15,780 --> 01:43:17,560
And this is kind of step one in the process.

1009
01:43:17,860 --> 01:43:21,080
There'll be more opportunities where they're going to refine this.

1010
01:43:21,640 --> 01:43:23,560
And it'll be a public process.

1011
01:43:23,560 --> 01:43:26,700
So, one additional question, Mr. Pakey,

1012
01:43:26,860 --> 01:43:32,690
is there was a question related to curb extensions

1013
01:43:32,690 --> 01:43:34,870
and are there other examples within the city

1014
01:43:34,870 --> 01:43:37,790
of where these are common and what are the goals

1015
01:43:37,790 --> 01:43:41,070
of curb extensions as a standard practice?

1016
01:43:42,630 --> 01:43:47,430
Yeah, so the curb extensions are basically,

1017
01:43:47,750 --> 01:43:52,830
let's see, did I hit that one slide about basically,

1018
01:43:52,830 --> 01:43:58,490
We were trying to get to a 40 feet or less, is the preferable.

1019
01:44:00,530 --> 01:44:09,230
So the first ones that we just recently did, we did it on the limit, for instance, the

1020
01:44:09,230 --> 01:44:09,550
cross.

1021
01:44:09,810 --> 01:44:13,970
That's the best train crossing, for being to share in the street for a longer distance.

1022
01:44:15,890 --> 01:44:22,150
So the first ones that we did were, basically, on Northland, we did it at Northland and Detroit

1023
01:44:22,150 --> 01:44:32,410
in Northland and Madison and currently the Bunts Road Project includes multiple

1024
01:44:32,410 --> 01:44:40,150
curb extensions. So it's really to reduce the pedestrian length that they have to cross

1025
01:44:40,150 --> 01:44:47,990
the street. I appreciate that additional information. Could you clarify it sounds like there are

1026
01:44:47,990 --> 01:44:53,290
existing drainage issues up in this area. Are there any drainage plans or will drainage?

1027
01:44:53,890 --> 01:44:59,970
Obviously you indicated drainage will be evaluated as part of this project, street surface drainage.

1028
01:45:00,020 --> 01:45:01,860
It will be correct.

1029
01:45:09,990 --> 01:45:19,310
All right. Well, I'm running through the rest of my questions here. I'll turn it over to the members of the commission. Is there any further feedback or comments you have for this city? Well, I'm running through here.

1030
01:45:21,390 --> 01:45:21,790
Mr. Miller.

1031
01:45:22,710 --> 01:45:37,110
Yeah, I live on Eldred. And I do, I do find that people do speed, especially after the intersection with Woodward. I think that that is a problem. I think the sight lines are difficult.

1032
01:45:37,110 --> 01:45:45,590
coming off of Eldrude on to Woodward. There's large bushes. The tree lawn is a little thin there.

1033
01:45:46,570 --> 01:45:51,110
So, you know, folks really kind of do speed up to get to the highway there.

1034
01:45:52,070 --> 01:45:59,030
I prefer the method with the bike lanes personally. I've like down the street a lot.

1035
01:46:00,450 --> 01:46:03,830
I've never really felt like I was going to get hit by a car.

1036
01:46:05,150 --> 01:46:09,690
That was going to door me, usually the folks that are watching out for their kids are usually

1037
01:46:09,690 --> 01:46:15,330
pretty respectful, and I really like the idea of having the crossing at Olive, I think

1038
01:46:15,330 --> 01:46:16,270
that's a great addition.

1039
01:46:16,910 --> 01:46:22,310
I would question the way that the lights work at night, and I think that this is sort

1040
01:46:22,310 --> 01:46:27,370
of something that we really haven't discussed is walking at night and why that also benefits

1041
01:46:27,370 --> 01:46:35,230
you know, with the crossing distance limited, is that the lights are blinking, and I personally

1042
01:46:35,230 --> 01:46:41,890
don't find that to be a very safe pedestrian or even cyclist, method of traffic control.

1043
01:46:42,750 --> 01:46:50,170
So if it could be reconsidered to bring the phases back at night time, I think that would

1044
01:46:50,170 --> 01:46:52,170
also add some good safety at night.

1045
01:46:52,170 --> 01:46:57,430
There is also a crossing guard at Carreville, so I think that we know within a

1046
01:46:57,430 --> 01:47:03,030
site line of all of I think that that's an adequate enough intervention

1047
01:47:03,030 --> 01:47:05,630
at the school hour.

1048
01:47:07,590 --> 01:47:13,030
And yeah, I'm pretty in favor of the plan that alternative be that you've

1049
01:47:13,030 --> 01:47:13,470
presented.

1050
01:47:15,750 --> 01:47:19,970
And I think that there does need to be some sort of consideration on speed and

1051
01:47:19,970 --> 01:47:21,690
area between Woodward and Atkins.

1052
01:47:27,840 --> 01:47:28,740
Commissioner Reese?

1053
01:47:28,860 --> 01:47:29,040
Yeah.

1054
01:47:29,880 --> 01:47:34,820
Sheen about those intersections that Woodward and I guess it would be all of, um,

1055
01:47:35,140 --> 01:47:39,660
is the active transportation plan have any guidance or, uh, mentioned, like,

1056
01:47:40,140 --> 01:47:42,240
a place where a scramble might work?

1057
01:47:42,300 --> 01:47:45,840
It seems like those two intersections might be, um,

1058
01:47:46,460 --> 01:47:48,320
opportunities for that given the, kind of,

1059
01:47:48,420 --> 01:47:51,260
weird geography and you help me to define what a scramble is.

1060
01:47:51,260 --> 01:48:00,220
Scramble typically is there's like a light, the intersection would hold all the vehicular

1061
01:48:00,220 --> 01:48:05,840
traffic so that people can cross diagonally or any of the corners. Is there anything in

1062
01:48:05,840 --> 01:48:11,420
the active transportation plan there are first of those?

1063
01:48:11,960 --> 01:48:18,900
I don't recall anything in there that was specifically about that. I think a lot of it was

1064
01:48:18,900 --> 01:48:20,840
about leading pedestrian intervals,

1065
01:48:21,680 --> 01:48:26,720
where basically all everything's stopped,

1066
01:48:27,440 --> 01:48:30,600
but it doesn't have any diagonal crossing.

1067
01:48:31,360 --> 01:48:33,400
More or less just, you know,

1068
01:48:33,400 --> 01:48:38,080
your normal cross, cross the street,

1069
01:48:38,120 --> 01:48:39,120
nothing diagonal.

1070
01:48:41,510 --> 01:48:44,030
I do really appreciate all the work

1071
01:48:44,030 --> 01:48:46,750
that's gone into the conceptual plan

1072
01:48:46,750 --> 01:48:47,630
that we're looking at today.

1073
01:48:47,630 --> 01:48:53,310
I think those two intersections likely would were in the most important ones.

1074
01:48:54,010 --> 01:48:57,090
I run down Delaware. It's like one of my favorite streets to jog down.

1075
01:48:57,690 --> 01:49:03,130
But those two intersections give you a little bit of pause when you're coming up to them.

1076
01:49:04,270 --> 01:49:09,150
And I think the curb extensions really would signify it either end of the school.

1077
01:49:09,150 --> 01:49:11,130
that this is a place where we can slow down.

1078
01:49:11,310 --> 01:49:14,230
And I think adding the heated bike lanes,

1079
01:49:14,790 --> 01:49:17,510
even though they're not protected, infrastructure,

1080
01:49:18,230 --> 01:49:19,790
also give that signal to slow down

1081
01:49:19,790 --> 01:49:23,670
in front of the school, so in favor of option B for the bike lanes.

1082
01:49:26,970 --> 01:49:28,010
Mr. Sanders, anything further?

1083
01:49:29,150 --> 01:49:32,210
OK, one final question for the city here

1084
01:49:32,210 --> 01:49:34,790
that after doing an audit here of my list.

1085
01:49:35,990 --> 01:49:38,490
Northland Crossing, there was some discussion up front

1086
01:49:38,490 --> 01:49:49,080
about parking with the, are there options to direct crossing to there? I guess what's the

1087
01:49:49,080 --> 01:49:56,760
pros and cons, Mr. Papki about that, and whether that should be a value-weight

1088
01:49:56,760 --> 01:49:57,640
moving forward.

1089
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:07,460
Again, we, you know, I'm basing things off of the active transportation plan and, you know,

1090
01:50:08,080 --> 01:50:18,160
we're charged with, you know, doing that, you know, in looking at, at that, is it a possibility? Yes, it is.

1091
01:50:20,220 --> 01:50:28,840
I would imagine that it would take, you know, curb extensions to make that safe and probably another

1092
01:50:28,840 --> 01:50:39,820
are our FB to make that happen and you're probably going to lose a lot of parking spots.

1093
01:50:40,720 --> 01:50:53,860
And again, it's kind of balancing that in Lakewood people value parking, a lot of people,

1094
01:50:53,860 --> 01:51:09,620
You know, they don't park their carers in their driveway as they park them out on the street, you know, and, you know, we have a lot of multi-family housing and, you know, street parkings, very, very valuable.

1095
01:51:09,880 --> 01:51:23,700
That's like, anytime I'm doing these projects, like, you know, it's parkings like the number one, you know, complaint that I get, like, you know, you're taking more parking away, you're taking more parking away.

1096
01:51:23,700 --> 01:51:27,140
So, you know, it's kind of weighing that out.

1097
01:51:28,260 --> 01:51:30,460
And, you know, I think, you know, again, you know,

1098
01:51:30,520 --> 01:51:33,080
this is active transportation.

1099
01:51:33,420 --> 01:51:35,580
We're promoting people that walk and bike.

1100
01:51:36,040 --> 01:51:42,200
I think it's reasonable that, you know, you can walk one block.

1101
01:51:43,220 --> 01:51:48,460
You know, to woodward to a light or you can walk one block to olives

1102
01:51:48,460 --> 01:51:50,500
to where there's our RFB.

1103
01:51:50,500 --> 01:51:59,320
I don't think that, you know, we need to have, you know, a crossing at a signalized crossing

1104
01:51:59,320 --> 01:52:00,340
basically everywhere.

1105
01:52:01,980 --> 01:52:02,680
It might be overkill.

1106
01:52:02,820 --> 01:52:03,780
Appreciate the insight.

1107
01:52:05,160 --> 01:52:12,960
Is there a recommendation here for this item or to, I guess, what's the action for us?

1108
01:52:13,060 --> 01:52:15,660
Is there a receive and file comments for this evening?

1109
01:52:15,660 --> 01:52:26,460
Yeah, I think it's just receiving and file, just, you know, me gaining everybody's input and coming back

1110
01:52:26,460 --> 01:52:34,040
back with you with the final, you know, pay less when we're at 90% when we'll be the next touch point on this item.

1111
01:52:34,520 --> 01:52:42,040
Yeah, probably when we're at 90% probably about this time next year.

1112
01:52:42,460 --> 01:52:42,560
Okay.

1113
01:52:42,560 --> 01:52:44,660
Thank you for all that information.

1114
01:52:44,960 --> 01:52:48,540
Well, with that, before I make a motion to receive and file,

1115
01:52:48,700 --> 01:52:51,060
I appreciate all the public coming out, your interest,

1116
01:52:51,780 --> 01:52:52,780
dedication or a community.

1117
01:52:53,780 --> 01:52:57,600
This process, ultimately, it's a balancing act.

1118
01:52:57,880 --> 01:53:00,020
It's never going to be all or the other.

1119
01:53:00,560 --> 01:53:01,580
I appreciate all your feedback.

1120
01:53:02,020 --> 01:53:05,520
And thanks for being committed to your community and dedicated

1121
01:53:06,160 --> 01:53:06,720
citizens.

1122
01:53:07,040 --> 01:53:10,980
And with that, I will make a motion to receive and file

1123
01:53:10,980 --> 01:53:18,180
This communication from the city I guess first is there's a second all those in favor signify by saying aye

1124
01:53:19,480 --> 01:53:24,360
No opposed motion carries and with that I will during the meeting the seabain

1125
01:53:26,000 --> 01:53:29,120
Okay, wait 50 or 752