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So for the record, we'll call the meeting toward it again. The regular meeting of this commission has been conducted virtually

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for some of the government or in 29 dashed 20 because this is a little telephonic meeting, almost will be taken by a roll call.

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The evening commissioner Paris then offered you the invocation as well as the point in the

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Mr. Barres.

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Sorry I had to unmute.

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Okay. Okay. Okay. You were about to be taking

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this as far as you go as time alone and maybe you continue to protect those sectors as I

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in your way is continue to approach. Please guide our city as we continue to protect those that we serve.

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We all stand,

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but the allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the

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Republic, for which it stands, one nation, under God, under the visible liberty, I'm just

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this for all.

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I'm sorry.

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he said he was on the call,

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but I guess he's not.

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Commissioner Harvey, President.

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Commissioner Cook, hasn't, by Sheriff Smith.

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Here, Chairman Bose.

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Did you say that Commissioner Moore was on a phone call?

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He was on this phone call,

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I haven't heard from him all text him now.

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Oh, he said he's right then, he just texted me.

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Right, thank you.

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Did you have any announcements from this winter?

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Colors wishing to speak on the public hearing portion of the meeting

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will be unmuted once we've reached that portion of the agenda.

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Public business from the floor on the agenda side.

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I'm in accordance with the governor's order.

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In 29 and 20, the public may have served its telephonic meeting by listening to the live broadcast on local channel,

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able channel 28 for live streaming on the city's website.

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The public may electronically participate if they provide their comments to our prior,

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and those later than to our prior to the regular meeting.

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We also have the ability to dial in and that information is published on the city's website.

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Do we have any email comments or speakers regarding any public business from the floor?

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We do not have any email comments. At this time, the public phone lines are now open for those wishing to speak on public business from the floor agenda items.

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Any callers wanting to comment, please press star 6 now, state your name and then wait until you are called upon.

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This not look like we have any public speakers.

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All right, thank you.

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So it says on my agenda that before we move on, email comments must be checked before any action can be taken.

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I mean each agenda.

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Or call.

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That's also be read for each commissioner to state their vote on each item. Colors will be able to provide comments on the public hearing items on, as they're as we address them.

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Please do not interrupt or talk over other speakers in Chairman or other commissioner.

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Those can fail to adhere to these roles, who will be muted and or removed from the call.

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We have a many problem with that in the past, so I don't expect any now.

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For the record, we have received correspondence including

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I'm contested lettering on item 4, 6 and 7, we've also received present location maps identifying

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where these proposed action items are located in the city.

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We've received a list of known individuals who either apply or have communicated with us.

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And we've received a modification list of, since our last meeting, indicating some changes in staff report.

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So on any comments from commissioners?

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All right, thank you.

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So, the first action item is the approval of our minutes of the regular meeting of May 18, 2020.

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So, do we have any email comments or any comments on this item this winter?

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All right, thank you.

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So, may I have a motion please?

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All make a motion that we accept and approve the minutes from our regular meeting of May 18th, 2020.

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I will second a motion.

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Yes, Vice Chair Smith? Yes. Chairman votes? Yes. Motion passes 7-0. Commissioner Moore just texted me his vote.

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We're still trying to figure out how he can unmute himself.

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He's listening. Yes, he is.

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I forgot to mention that this is a special meeting.

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It was continued for this day because we had challenges with the telepathy portion of the meeting

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where we had one of the, uh, the team role was, uh, an operational or your concern about

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folks not being able to access the need to be able to

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be able to wish to offer testimony comments or whatever.

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So all the, for the next items, all of these agenda items are public

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We opened all the public hearings on June 15th and continued them

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So, the first item is number two, Senate Bill 743, the city of Lancaster, is the applicant, and as I mentioned, the public hearing is open.

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Do you remember?

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We have a few of us presenting, but we'll go ahead and get going.

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Danielle, can you please give me permission to screen share?

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Can you just second?

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Okay, I think you should be good to go now.

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Unfortunately, it's the wrong year here.

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With me, we got to figure out how to bring up the correct screen here.

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Thanks, though.

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There we go. Can you guys see that?

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Yes. Everybody can see the PowerPoint presentation, okay?

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Good. Well, with that, we'll go ahead and you're going to use the minor technical difficulty there, first time presenting up through WebEx.

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Good evening commissioners. Tonight, the project team for the transportation analysis updates will be presenting on our transportation analysis updates and how this will bring us the compliance with SB Senate Bill 743.

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Our team tonight includes myself to release Nebula, the city engineer, and we have Matt

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Simon's, the city traffic engineer.

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We also have Mikko Hoyt, and Sarah Brandenberg from fear of beers.

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Fear of beers was the consulting firm that we hired to do this project.

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We specifically picked them because they have an expertise in this type of traffic transportation

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modeling.

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They've got extensive experience throughout the state modeling for different agencies to be

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compliance with SB 743, specifically, a couple of notable jurisdictions that are working with

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our LA County and the City of San Torito, which gives them that North County experience

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so that they've modeled other North County agencies and have a handle on what the

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model should look like. So during our presentation tonight, I'm going to give you a brief

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introduction on what Senate Bill 743 is then turn it over to Niko and Sarah to discuss

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the model a little bit more detail. Last map will run through some recent examples of development

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projects which hopefully give you some insight on how this will apply, what that will

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look like, and then last, we'll just have some Q&A. Before we really get into the bulk of the

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presentation, I'd first like to thank you guys for two weeks ago, during the engineering

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review, you guys asked a really good question, so we went back to the drawing board with

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presentation, try to update it, include a little more information on specifically the model and

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some real-time examples. So that hopefully we can address those questions that you brought up.

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Also, I think before we kick off, it's important to note that this is really not anything new

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for Lancaster. When we adopted our Master Planet Complete Streets in December 2017,

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We started to go away from level of service.

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It updated our general plan so that inside the core, we were looking at other metrics,

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not just level of service.

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We're really caring about the walking, the biking, the long-term maintenance liabilities

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that these roads give us, and that's what the master plan did.

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Unfortunately, it didn't really put a framework for a defined metric on how you determine

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And those impacts were as this really does.

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So this isn't really anything new for us.

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It just really gives us a really solid model

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for how we'll determine impacts moving forward.

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So at Senate Bill 743,

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Senate Bill 743 was signed into law September 2013.

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The primary purpose was to eliminate level of service

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as the metric to determine secret impacts.

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The law actually directed the governor's office of planning and research

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referred to as OPR later in this presentation to update the

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SQL guidelines to include performance criteria.

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So they went to work, OPR did, they did some research,

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and they came up with the vehicle miles travel metric.

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They updated SQL guidelines, submitted that to the state's

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Natural Resources Agency in December of 2018 and the Natural Resources Agency has been certified those updates in December of 2018.

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The law did mandate that as of July 1, 2020.

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Lead agency, such as the City of Lancaster, had to go away from level of service and utilize the PMT metric.

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There have been several court cases since the law passed. All of them have upheld SB 743, and specifically they have upheld PMT as a metric, as the metric to the term, and seek what impacts.

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So the state's main purpose is for adopting Senate Bill 743 where one to reduce greenhouse gas is two to

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encourage in field development and three to improve public health through active transportation.

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And the reason I mentioned the state's primary goals is because they really line up with the city of Lancaster's goals.

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If you look in Lancaster, we have adopted our master plan of complete streets, master plan of safe routes to school.

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and our massive kind of trails and bikeways,

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all of these plans prioritize active transportation projects

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or design guidelines for our streets.

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not just the driver, the prioritize the pedestrians,

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the bicyclists, we're looking at long-term maintenance,

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cost of our roadways, trying to bring that down.

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So, though that goal, the active transportation goal that the state set is also very is in line with the city of Lancaster's both.

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The other thing we've done recently is in 2019 the city adopted the stir initiative, strategic technology, innovation and resilience,

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the vision for the future of right-caster, and in that document identified several guiding principles.

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The first one I'd like to highlight is generating value from within the core.

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So we set a goal to focus on in-field development.

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Well, that's also a goal of Senate Bill 743.

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So this, the implementation of these transportation updates helps us meet that goal.

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It's specifically when when when he go insert a share of the model with you and macles over a couple of examples

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I hope you guys can see that the way that we've selected our DMT baseline

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It actually is beneficial to development within city limits in city of Lancaster and it really helps

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the infill development in the animal valley

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gotting principles, building for resilience and application at application.

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So in this third document, we recognize that economies change, you know, the auto-mallows

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a great source of sales tax revenue now, but it may not be in 20 or 30 years.

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So we've got it constantly looking at where is the future, and what changes can we make

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to ensure we're economically viable in that future as a city.

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The example, another example of this is our master plan of complete street.

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It really looked at our streets.

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How do we make them safer?

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How do we make them for all users?

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How do we create a sense of place?

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Kind of like a boulevard?

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And how do we meet future road demands for all users?

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So I hope that kind of gives you our frames as

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as this state's Senate bill is really in line with a lot of city, a lane-taster goals as well.

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With that, I'll turn the presentation over to Nico and Sarah, and they can present on and give

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you a little more deep dive into the EMT model.

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Thanks, Trilace.

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Thanks for having us, everyone.

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It's great to be here, of course, so we could be with you in person, but if it's

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virtually is a close second.

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Again, Amiko and my colleague Sarah's on the line,

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she's going to help out with Q&A.

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The key change with ST743 is that V-Lyle's traveled

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or V-M-T is replacing level of service

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as the measure of traffic impact in the context of seek what.

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So as you're probably familiar,

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level of service or L-O-S is essentially a measure

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of either the delay or the congestion that drivers experience both at intersections, and then

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sometimes also along individual, sorry, individual, weight segments. And typically what we do

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is we look at the incremental increase in delay or the increase in congestion that can be attributed

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to a development project. And that is the measure of traffic impacts from an environmental perspective,

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the major limitation of LOS is that it measures the impact of development to drivers

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and to the experience of driving instead of measuring the impact of driving itself on the environment.

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Bmt on the other hand takes, you know, just like LOS, it starts with trip generation or the total number of trips that we can expect to be generated by a project, and it uses that to estimate the vehicle miles traveled that are, you know, anticipated from that project or could be attributed to it.

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So the focus with SB 743 is on reducing the NT, either by getting people to drive less or by getting them to drive shorter distances.

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So if mitigations are required in a situation where you have a VMT impact, those mitigations are going to more effectively reduce the collective transportation impact on the surrounding environment and particularly on air quality than the current level of service practice does.

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Next slide please.

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What is VMT and how is it how can we? VMT is calculated pretty simply.

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It's just multiplying the total number of trips by the length of each trip.

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traveling one mile that's equal to one vehicle mile travel, one VMT,

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where as if you have four cars that are each traveling 10 miles,

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you know, typically when we look at the M.T.

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in the context of a development project,

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we usually express it as an efficiency metric.

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as opposed to just reporting the raw V.M.T.

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that's going to be generated by a project

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because using an efficiency metric allows us to better compare.

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So we can look at the M.T. on a per capita basis, for example, for a project and compare that to the M.T. per capita for the city as a whole, or the county as a whole.

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And we can get a meaningful comparison that way versus just looking at the wrong number.

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So to calculate the M.T. we use the SAC regional travel demand model.

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And on the next slide, I'm going to get into exactly why we use the tag model, but basically the model allows us to look at equal trips that either start or end within the city or whatever geographic region we're analyzing.

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It's important to note that, you know, when we're using the model to estimate the M.T.

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Tricks that pass through the region that we're analyzing don't count towards that region's V.M.T.

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So, you know, T is the city as an example if we have a trip that's starting outside of the city.

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Travels through the city to get where it's going and then ends outside of the city.

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whereas if we had a trip that either started within the city and ended outside of the city boundary or vice versa,

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that would count towards the VMT.

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So why this gag model versus some other tool.

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because the model area for the Skag model covers six counties.

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for multiple different geographies that are going to be consistent with each other

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because they're coming from the same model.

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or individual cities and whatever estimates we produce are going to be consistent with one another.

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When we're looking at, you know, VMT at the city levels, specifically the Skag Model is the most

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effective method for accounting for the length of trips that leave the city boundary.

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And that's particularly important for commute trips because we know based on census data and

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based on what the model is telling us that a lot of people who live in the city don't work there.

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meeting somewhere else to get to work, and a lot of people who are employed within the city

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don't live there. So we need an accurate way of accounting for the length of their trips,

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and this gag model pretty effectively allows us to do that. So to get into a little bit more detail,

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what this gag model is essentially doing is it takes the entire six-county region and it breaks it up

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In this map, at the bottom of the slide here, you can see the TAC's, is the shorthand for that. You can see the city of Lancaster's TAC's. There's 164 of them in total. And what these zones essentially do is they represent areas of more or less homogenous travel behavior. So, when we look at the outputs that we get from the model, the B&T estimates that we get are presented at the level of the TAC.

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And as I was explaining before, you know, one of the advantages of using this tag model is that it breaks up the entire six-county region into these discrete TAsEs.

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And then, you know, when we wanted to develop our efficiency metrics and we need to express our VMT, you know, on a per capita basis or a per employee basis, we can drill down to the TAsEs level and find out, you know, what the population or what the employment is within any specific TAsEs.

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and develop our DMT estimates that way and essentially what we do when we want to aggregate

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up and we want to look at DMT on the city level or the county level whatever level it

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is we basically just identify the TACs that fall within that boundary and we aggregate those

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So why the analog valley planning area? Taking a step back.

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So, in the context of SB 743 and measuring transportation impacts using the M.T. instead of L.O.S.

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One of the decisions that a city has to make is what the threshold of significance is going to be.

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And as Treleys was mentioning, you know, O.P.R. has developed the state guidelines around SB 743 and recommendations for city

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below the quote unquote regional baseline, but it's ultimately up to each city to define

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what the region is, what region are you comparing yourself to. So as we were beginning this process

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of identifying what is an appropriate significant threshold for Lancaster, we looked at the baseline

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the MTS limits for a few different regions. We looked at the entire Skag area, all six counties,

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We looked at Los Angeles County, the Yellow Valley Planning Area, which is the LA County Planning

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Area that Plan Caster is located in, and then, of course, we looked at the city wide average.

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And what we found is that, you know, the average C&T for the city is typically higher in the average

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for both the Stang region and for LA County.

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So if we used either one of those geographies to set the significance threshold, we would effectively

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be making it less attractive to develop and line faster because it would make it more likely

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that a project would have a significant transportation impact.

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But on the other hand, the average DMT within the city is in almost all cases lower than

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the average DMT for the antelope valley planning area.

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So if we set the significant threshold off of that, we go 15% below antelope valley or effectively

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incentivizing development and landcaster versus some other part of the

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envelope valley where the average DMT estimates might very well

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the higher than the region.

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Transportation characteristics.

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At the outset of the process we took a look at the city's commute

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characteristics from the census both to you know better understand the

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local context but then also to compare what the census says to what the

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model says to check for consistency. And as you can see in the slide here, 75% of people

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who live in Lancaster work outside of the city. And about two thirds of people who work in

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the city live somewhere else in terms of community distance, 60% of Lancaster residents travel

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more than 25 miles to get to work. And that's compared to 40% of people who work in Lancaster,

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which tells us that on average people who live in Lancaster have a long commute, then people who work there, but don't necessarily live there, and that's very consistent with what the model is showing us.

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Understanding commute patterns is pretty important in the context of SB 743, and this VMT analysis, because it has a direct effect on the types of VMT efficiency metrics that we use when we're evaluating development projects.

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and there's basically...

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Three types of efficiency metrics that we use. The first is total VMT per service population.

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And essentially what that is, as we look at the total VMT within a region, and a region can be anything as small as a single TAsE all the way up to the entire

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We take that total VMT within the region that we're analyzing and we divide it by the sum of the number of employees who work within that region and the number of residents who live within that region.

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And this particular metric is useful typically in two cases.

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The first is when we're looking at a really large development project that is likely to exert a really big influence on just travel patterns throughout the city.

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You know, things that could potentially redistribute trips, redistribute VMT, we want to look at the change in total VMT in that context and not just one component of the VMT.

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The other kind of use case where this efficiency metric makes some sense to use is when we're evaluating something like a general plan or a specific plan that's proposing major land use cases.

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And that's basically the same story for proposing land use changes that are going to alter the distribution of trips in the region.

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And we want to look at the change in total VMT.

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The next metric, excuse me, is home-based VMT per capita.

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residents divided by the number of residents within the region that you're looking at.

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and multi-family residential, this is the pertinent metric.

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kind of explains what trip types count towards this efficiency metric.

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So focusing in on these red arrows,

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let's take the hypothetical example of person X.

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they buy something to eat from there, and they go back home,

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then they go get a cup of coffee, from the coffee shop,

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they go to work, and then at the end of the day,

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they travel from their workplace back home.

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So the red arrows show the trip components

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where the person's home is one of the trip ends.

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these are the ones that count towards home-based VMT

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last efficiency metric that we look at is home-based work, the MT for employee. This one is

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pertinent for office projects, retail projects, anything that has a really prominent employment

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component. And basically what this is, is it's all the VMT that links a person's residence with

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a workplace divided by the number of employees in the zone that you're looking at. So, you know,

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sample of the trips that a person makes in the course of their day.

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The only one in this example that would count towards that home base work,

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the NT per employee, is the trip from work back home at the end of the day.

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the BMT threshold.

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In this slide, we're showing the 2020 BMT estimates for the city as a whole,

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the Antelope Valley Planning Area, and then three different sub-arrients of the city

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to show how those estimates compare to one another.

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So the urban core sub-area that we have here is defined as the area bordered by

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30-3 west, 20-3 east, Avenue L and Avenue L. And then the east sub-area is everything

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outside of that that's east of state route 14. And then conversely the west sub-area is

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everything outside of the urban core that's west of state route 14. So since we're using the

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of valley to set the significant thresholds, any city-based EMT metric that's shown in this table

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if it's lower than the corresponding analog valley metric, it's shown in green, and then any city-based

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metric that's higher is shown in red, as you can see, there's only one pretty much across the board,

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the city's averages are lower in the analog valley, which is why we recommend it at that

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defined as the region for the purposes of setting the significance threshold.

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New year's home base work BNT for employee in that western sub-area and what's likely going on there is that that sub-area is much less densely developed and any other part of the city and many parts of the animal valley is a whole.

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So, because of that, the distance between destinations is greater and people who are working on that side of town probably have a longer commute distance than people who are working somewhere else.

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those are all lower than the corresponding

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analog valley area for all three of these efficiency metrics.

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So the number of places in the city where you're

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likely to see the NT impacts is low because of that.

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And with that, I will kick it off to that.

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Thank you.

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Well, thank you very much, Nico.

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I appreciate that.

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You mean care members, our commission members, excuse me, and Chairman Bose.

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Now my job here is to kind of guide you through how this information, how the city will use this information to analyze new development projects that are presented throughout the throughout the city itself.

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What we will be doing is we'll be using now adopting a two-tier analysis system.

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The first tier will involve using the DMT analysis so that we can meet

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SQL guidelines and we can environmentally clear the projects.

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The second tier, we will continue to use the LOS based cities,

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there are cities guidelines, and what this will be looking for, we will be doing safety and operational improvements

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using that particular analysis methodology. As we are not able to identify a significant impact using LOS,

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we will be looking for things where a particular development may create an operational or a safety issue in a particular intersection

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in or along a specific railway segment.

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Now stepping back to VMT just to give you a little bit better idea of, oh, I'm sorry, I forgot to.

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Here's me, I forgot to advance to slide, there we go.

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Just to give you a little bit better idea on how the VMT and the screening process will be applied.

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The following are six different criteria that were developed by OPR to screen out certain types

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of projects that would no longer have to be subject to VMT analysis if they meet these

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one of these criteria. Essentially, it's project size. This particular criteria screams out

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relatively small projects that have less than a hundred and ten vehicle trips per day.

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Also projects that are locally serving retail, which would be gas stations, small markets.

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Things like those lines, small businesses, even mixed use developments, would fall into this criteria.

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The third one is a project that's located in a low VMT area, which I'll get into that.

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I'll show you a little bit of a, I'll be applied once we move on to the next couple of slides.

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But what this is essentially is, if the area of the city where the project is proposed already is below the VMT baseline,

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then the project could be screened out because it essentially meets the city's general plan,

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and it is in agreement with the type of developments that are expected to occur in that area.

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So there's not expected to be any substantial growth above

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and beyond the average of the NTE.

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The fourth criterion is, if it's in proximity

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to a transatline, primarily a transatline that

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has 15 minute frequencies or less, currently in land

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faster, none of the bus, none of the ABTA's routes

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meet that criterion, but under the strategic mobility plan

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routes one and twelve are expected to meet that criterion and again there's a slide a little

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bit farther into the presentation that will show the transportation priority area that

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is generated based on those particular routes. The fifth criterion is just if the project

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provides affordable housing it was then just screened out on that basis alone and the final

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criteria, and if it provides specific transportation facilities that improve or remove, say, a bottleneck or a safety issue, something along those lines, that those type of projects are excluded also from V&T analysis or any type of additional.

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line while in this position.

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Now, the next slide. This is the VNT areas based on retail, sorry, residential, where these are the different transportation analysis zones that

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Niko was talking about earlier. And essentially what this graphic shows is that the areas that are shown in blue already are 15% below the analog valley planning area average.

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So a project that is located in one of these areas

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would already screen out from the VNT analysis,

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because the surrounding environment is already 15% below the baseline

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to which it's being compared.

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The tan and yellow color means that that's

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the zone that is between 0 and 15% below the baseline average.

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that are actually above the Antelope Valley planning average.

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And again, these are some of the zones that Niko

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would point it out on the extreme west side

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and on the extreme east side of the city.

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The next slide provides the same information,

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or for commercial users.

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Again, you can see that a vast majority of the city

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is already meets the 15% below VMT threshold

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the board is very, very close with only 0 to 15 percent, very, 0 to 15 percent below.

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So, right now, projects located in most areas in the city would not be required to conduct

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the VMT analysis or if they did, the mitigation measures that made the applied to those

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would not be overly drastic because they do not have to reduce their VMT to a significant

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The final map that I wanted to show, this is where I was talking about the chance of

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priority zones or the chance of priority areas.

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This particular graphic shows the areas that are associated within one half mile of either

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route one or route 12 on AVTA's current schedule.

442
00:42:15,320 --> 00:42:20,440
Again, like I said before, AVTA does not really mean this, but under the proposed improvements

443
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:26,840
for the strategic mobility plan. Once those are improvements are implemented, this would be applicable

444
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:32,740
where any project that is developed within that particular area or within those particular areas

445
00:42:32,740 --> 00:42:40,320
would be excluded from a VMT analysis. So now to show how this actually works and how it's put

446
00:42:40,320 --> 00:42:47,560
into, oops, go back one. There we go. To show this, how this is actually used and applied to an

447
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:54,940
will project the next several slides are example projects of projects that have been approved

448
00:42:54,940 --> 00:43:00,760
here in the city and we sent through and tested these against the VMT analysis to just show

449
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:12,020
what the actual results would be. The first one is the mixed use. Anyway, it's a mixed use project

450
00:43:12,020 --> 00:43:16,020
that's located at the corner of Avenue K and 10th Street West.

451
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,740
It's consists of 15,000 square feet of restaurant

452
00:43:18,740 --> 00:43:20,980
and 6,000 square feet of retail uses.

453
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:24,320
As you can see in the box below the site plan,

454
00:43:24,860 --> 00:43:28,240
this project would not be screened out due to size,

455
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:32,520
just because it is larger than the 110 daily trip threshold.

456
00:43:33,060 --> 00:43:36,440
But it would be screened out of the requirement

457
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:38,540
for VMT analysis because it consists

458
00:43:38,540 --> 00:43:40,460
of local serving retail.

459
00:43:40,460 --> 00:43:44,400
small shops again, small offices, things on those lines.

460
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:51,360
If this particular project were to have to do a VMT analysis,

461
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:56,680
this is just for background information to give you a little bit more information on how VMT works.

462
00:43:57,320 --> 00:44:02,460
Based on the VMT generated by this project, when compared to the baseline VMT,

463
00:44:03,500 --> 00:44:08,760
this project would come out as 13% less than the baseline average,

464
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:17,820
which as the city is currently considering 15% less than VMT to be the threshold for which

465
00:44:17,820 --> 00:44:25,200
a significant impact is determined to have happened. This project were therefore having significant

466
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:34,540
traffic impact, but it would not be a very large impact because the project is 13% under

467
00:44:34,540 --> 00:44:39,300
the threshold, whereas, I'm sorry, 13% on the baseline,

468
00:44:39,580 --> 00:44:41,720
whereas the threshold is 15%.

469
00:44:41,720 --> 00:44:44,340
So they would have to make that up with the application

470
00:44:44,340 --> 00:44:47,780
of some sort of mitigation measures to reduce either

471
00:44:47,780 --> 00:44:50,080
the number of trips or the lengths of the trips

472
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,280
that are occurring from and to that project.

473
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:59,960
The second project, the second example project is...

474
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:12,260
A multi-family project that's located over 1752 East Avenue, J4, just to the west of 23 East.

475
00:45:12,940 --> 00:45:20,440
This project consists of 264 apartments. And again, as you look at the VMP screening results,

476
00:45:21,300 --> 00:45:25,880
the project does not get screened out because it does generate more than 110 daily trips.

477
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:31,720
It does not get screened up in the second criterion because it does not contain any local serving retail.

478
00:45:32,340 --> 00:45:39,580
The third criterion, unfortunately, this project is not located in a low VMT area.

479
00:45:39,780 --> 00:45:46,120
It's actually in an area that is the next level above, which would have been the yellow or the 10,

480
00:45:46,540 --> 00:45:51,120
which is zero to 50 percent below the threshold, but it does not meet this particular criteria.

481
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:59,440
So the last criteria, the next criterion through which it is screened out is the fact that it would be located in a transportation priority area.

482
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:09,740
So again, because of where it's located along Route 12, this project would not have to undergo a VMT analysis itself.

483
00:46:10,940 --> 00:46:20,340
Again, if it did, just to give you another reference going, this project would come out at 8% less than the regional baseline.

484
00:46:20,340 --> 00:46:27,940
So again, based on the state's criteria of any project that is 15% or more, it does not have a significant impact.

485
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:38,720
This project would also be considered to have a significant traffic impact under that particular criteria if it were required to continue and conduct the VNT analysis.

486
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:46,380
Okay. Two more projects real quick here. The third project is located at Avenue Island,

487
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:53,120
20 Street West. Again, this is a mini-mark or a convenience store with 12 fuel

488
00:46:53,120 --> 00:47:00,060
stations in the gas island. Again, this project is not screened out based on the total number

489
00:47:00,060 --> 00:47:07,180
of daily trips, as it generates more than the threshold, but it does need the second threshold

490
00:47:07,180 --> 00:47:08,960
of locally soldering retail again.

491
00:47:09,140 --> 00:47:13,200
So again, what would be screened out would not require any VMT analysis?

492
00:47:14,900 --> 00:47:23,440
If we look at that VMT analysis, this project actually comes in at 7% above the baseline criterion.

493
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:30,280
So this project would require a little bit more substantial mitigation than some of the other

494
00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:35,140
projects and would be considered to have a significant transportation impact.

495
00:47:35,780 --> 00:47:42,460
And then the last project, the last example project is a residential project with

496
00:47:42,460 --> 00:47:48,400
543 single-family homes located at 40th Street West and Avenue I.

497
00:47:49,020 --> 00:47:53,600
Again, this project is not screened out based on its overall size.

498
00:47:53,880 --> 00:47:57,840
It's also not screened out because it does not contain any local serving retail.

499
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:03,600
But in this particular case, it would be screened out because the area in which the project is proposed

500
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:10,960
is a low DMT area, which is already beneath the 50% baseline, and since the project is consistent

501
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:16,800
with the other, with the long range planning that is expected in that particular zone,

502
00:48:16,940 --> 00:48:23,060
it is not considered to generate enough trips that would push that, push it above that threshold.

503
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:28,040
So again, this project would also screen out under the VNT criteria.

504
00:48:28,720 --> 00:48:41,820
And finally, if this one word to, if we do the VMT analysis on this one, this one actually shows that it is 21% less than the VMT in that particular zone.

505
00:48:42,160 --> 00:48:48,460
So this particular project would not have a significant traffic impact because it is below the 15% criteria.

506
00:48:50,120 --> 00:48:55,720
And finally, the last slide I'll talk about here, these are just some of the mitigation strategies

507
00:48:55,720 --> 00:49:01,880
that are available for projects to help reduce the VNT impact.

508
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:08,320
These range in terms of you can increase the density of a project or you can increase the

509
00:49:08,320 --> 00:49:13,660
diversity of a project, both of these would eliminate either the number of trips or possibly

510
00:49:13,660 --> 00:49:18,360
the distance that trips, the distance that trips are generated from the project is

511
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:22,580
because of the mix use of uses and whatnot in the project.

512
00:49:23,180 --> 00:49:26,240
Improvements to pedestrian or bicycle network would

513
00:49:26,240 --> 00:49:29,240
is expected to reduce the number of vehicle trips

514
00:49:29,240 --> 00:49:30,920
that are generated by the project.

515
00:49:31,940 --> 00:49:34,840
Traffic calming measures can be implemented in the area.

516
00:49:35,060 --> 00:49:37,300
This encourages walking and biking.

517
00:49:38,020 --> 00:49:42,940
Encourage the last two are you can encourage telecommuting or alternative schedules

518
00:49:42,940 --> 00:49:50,920
to, again, reduce VMT by spreading it out across more of the spectrum as opposed to concentrating

519
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:56,120
in just the peak community hours. And the last one, again, is just the commute trip

520
00:49:56,120 --> 00:49:59,960
production program where you may be able to provide the Seattle to the MetroLink state.

521
00:50:16,630 --> 00:50:25,170
We hope that that presentation did a good job at addressing your questions any about two weeks ago.

522
00:50:26,010 --> 00:50:30,730
With that staff would recommend that commission take action as identified in the agenda report.

523
00:50:31,390 --> 00:50:36,510
We don't have any horn today, so if we're here for questions if you have any.

524
00:50:43,740 --> 00:50:44,820
Thanks very much.

525
00:50:45,240 --> 00:50:49,900
I do have multiple questions on this.

526
00:50:50,900 --> 00:50:53,660
Can we go to the table three on the presentation, please?

527
00:50:54,860 --> 00:50:55,940
It was one of your slides.

528
00:50:56,140 --> 00:50:56,960
It said table three.

529
00:50:57,120 --> 00:51:04,020
It's where they down-selected the lower number that they were going to utilize.

530
00:51:14,300 --> 00:51:27,380
So we use the home base work VMT versus the total VMT per service population.

531
00:51:28,720 --> 00:51:34,500
If we were to use the higher value, which is approximately four times as much for the

532
00:51:34,500 --> 00:51:44,100
best. What results would we end up with on these, this target a 15% or what you're looking at?

533
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:50,880
What is the advantage of using that lower number versus the higher 41.0.

534
00:51:51,960 --> 00:52:05,840
Because what we're looking at is saying, if I'm under the impression, we're looking at adopting your method here, so I know we're getting the best, I guess, best possible choice.

535
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,560
So if you could help me better understand that, please.

536
00:52:09,940 --> 00:52:14,180
You want to take that one, Nikon, explain the three different metrics.

537
00:52:15,180 --> 00:52:16,940
Sure, sure, I can chime in here.

538
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:22,760
So I think in one of the earlier slides, I was explaining the different context

539
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,660
in which you would use each of these three metrics.

540
00:52:27,640 --> 00:52:32,320
So in the example, like the four case studies that were just presented,

541
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:50,540
We're not evaluated using that total VMT for service population metric because none of those are, you know, large projects that we would expect to exert a really significant influence on travel patterns throughout the city or throughout the region.

542
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:59,720
We specifically looked at case studies that either had a strong residential component, a strong

543
00:52:59,720 --> 00:53:05,620
retail or commercial component, or some hybrid of the two, some kind of mixed use development.

544
00:53:06,900 --> 00:53:15,760
And when we're looking at residential projects, the efficiency metric that we use to evaluate those is the home base,

545
00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:22,880
the EMT per capita, because the denominator for that one is the number of residents and

546
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:29,900
the zone that you're looking at. So when we're proposing, you know, for example, a new

547
00:53:29,900 --> 00:53:35,700
housing development within a transportation analysis zone that's already primarily residential,

548
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:42,580
we want to look at how the EMT is going to change with that development project. You know,

549
00:53:42,580 --> 00:53:49,480
in the context of the number of people who reside in that zone versus the home-based work

550
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:56,040
EMT per employee metric. That's the one that we use when we're evaluating any kind of office

551
00:53:56,040 --> 00:54:03,920
or retail project that's going to increase employment in the area. And the denominator is the number

552
00:54:03,920 --> 00:54:09,620
of employees because we want to know on a per employee basis how is this development that's going

553
00:54:09,620 --> 00:54:12,020
to bring new jobs into this zone,

554
00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:16,480
going to affect the M.T. efficiency within this zone.

555
00:54:16,700 --> 00:54:22,600
So it's not necessarily a matter of choosing among these three

556
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:25,080
to pick the one that you want to apply to the project.

557
00:54:25,140 --> 00:54:29,300
It's a matter of identifying what type of project is being

558
00:54:29,300 --> 00:54:32,440
considered here and which one of these three metrics

559
00:54:32,940 --> 00:54:35,720
is the right one to apply in that situation

560
00:54:35,720 --> 00:54:38,820
based on what's the denominator of the equation?

561
00:54:38,820 --> 00:54:39,600
Okay,

562
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:47,260
so basically, we're going to vote to adopt one of these denominators, correct?

563
00:54:48,300 --> 00:54:50,040
It's all three of them.

564
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:51,480
All three are going.

565
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,200
You were just talking through that then.

566
00:54:55,940 --> 00:54:56,380
Exactly.

567
00:54:56,980 --> 00:54:59,960
So you're choosing...

568
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:17,000
Basically, the threshold that we're looking at is 15% below each of these envelope value planning area metrics, and which one you apply to any given project is dependent on the type of project that's being proposed.

569
00:55:17,580 --> 00:55:23,860
So if it's a residential project, you're going to use this home based EMT per capita to analyze that.

570
00:55:23,860 --> 00:55:41,240
If it's an office project, you'll use home-based work PMT per employee, and if it's a general plan, or a specific plan, something that's going to result in really significant changes to land use, that's when you want to use the total VMT per service population.

571
00:55:43,180 --> 00:55:46,160
So it's all three, it's not one or the other.

572
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:51,580
All right, that's what was thrown me. I was like, why are we selecting one there?

573
00:55:51,720 --> 00:55:54,520
Thank you. That chair helps me to understand it.

574
00:55:54,860 --> 00:56:00,980
So then I guess the low VMT area it used.

575
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:06,960
Yes, looking at, sorry, I guess we would just use that low VMT.

576
00:56:07,100 --> 00:56:07,880
This is what we reviewed.

577
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:14,580
Exactly. Yeah. So if the product is proposed and it's going to be

578
00:56:14,580 --> 00:56:19,320
located in a T-A-Z that's already 15% or more

579
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:22,140
the relevant regional algorithm.

580
00:56:23,220 --> 00:56:26,000
Then that project can be screened out

581
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:31,420
for the M-T analysis on the grounds of generating low VMT.

582
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:35,060
If a project is proposed to a T-A-Z

583
00:56:35,060 --> 00:56:38,660
that is not already 15% or a local

584
00:56:38,660 --> 00:56:40,160
below that regional average,

585
00:56:40,760 --> 00:56:42,940
or any would have to conduct a more detailed

586
00:56:42,940 --> 00:56:50,560
of the MTE analysis for that project. Typically involves actually changing the land uses in the

587
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:59,160
model and estimating on a detailed level. How many new trips is this project anticipated to

588
00:56:59,160 --> 00:57:02,660
Okay, and what is the VNT associated with that

589
00:57:07,650 --> 00:57:09,010
more sense to me?

590
00:57:11,180 --> 00:57:12,200
All right, that's all I have to

591
00:57:25,550 --> 00:57:27,850
think. Any other questions?

592
00:57:28,650 --> 00:57:35,390
Well, before we proceed, there may be some from the public, I don't know.

593
00:57:35,750 --> 00:57:40,910
You have any email comments or speakers on this, this water?

594
00:57:41,530 --> 00:57:43,110
Please do not have any email comments.

595
00:57:44,730 --> 00:57:46,370
Okay, thank you.

596
00:57:47,570 --> 00:57:48,090
Members,

597
00:57:53,480 --> 00:58:02,600
I can't see you all, I'm sorry we're going to scope this myth, do you prepare us?

598
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:03,480
Anyone?

599
00:58:10,070 --> 00:58:12,450
I have nothing, I'm pretty clear on it.

600
00:58:18,080 --> 00:58:19,960
Mr. Moore, are you calling her number two?

601
00:58:21,500 --> 00:58:22,800
I guess I am.

602
00:58:23,140 --> 00:58:24,380
Did that type of game I needed?

603
00:58:26,290 --> 00:58:27,530
What size do you remember one?

604
00:58:27,570 --> 00:58:27,990
I did.

605
00:58:29,530 --> 00:58:32,650
Yeah, we thought we were working on it.

606
00:58:32,650 --> 00:58:35,870
All right. Thank you.

607
00:58:40,290 --> 00:58:41,030
Let's look at that.

608
00:58:41,770 --> 00:58:50,540
So a question, if it's an affordable housing project, so that would mean

609
00:58:52,020 --> 00:58:55,800
every project we've seen density housing,

610
00:58:56,620 --> 00:59:01,640
typically has some underlying funding model, which requires

611
00:59:01,640 --> 00:59:05,000
the qualification of affordable housing.

612
00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:14,050
So those projects typically would not need to threshold them, right?

613
00:59:17,710 --> 00:59:20,750
Or, but they're typically screens from further analysis,

614
00:59:24,700 --> 00:59:24,700
right?

615
00:59:24,720 --> 00:59:25,360
So

616
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:34,300
I think the greatest state laws now that require any density housing

617
00:59:34,300 --> 00:59:45,360
project to offer adequate low and moderate income opportunities, I should say,

618
00:59:45,360 --> 00:59:47,720
or 10 minutes, right?

619
00:59:56,300 --> 00:59:56,740
But still,

620
00:59:59,950 --> 00:59:59,950
yeah.

621
01:00:00,140 --> 01:00:10,140
We go to the exercise, and the burden, it needs a threshold of requires a V&T analysis that

622
01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:19,920
that applicant is burdened with additional steps and that additional cost. It's not something

623
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:26,200
that the city will provide if something that the applicant will have to engage and follow

624
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:30,380
And so I could just offer others to prepare the analysis.

625
01:00:31,680 --> 01:00:32,140
What's that order?

626
01:00:34,560 --> 01:00:36,740
Why, you know, I'll pick a project.

627
01:00:38,580 --> 01:00:42,260
Just talk about a big box here's your first.

628
01:00:44,020 --> 01:00:46,180
Yeah, I could jump in here

629
01:00:46,180 --> 01:00:47,900
in terms of level of efforts.

630
01:00:48,000 --> 01:00:50,280
So it really depends on the size of a project.

631
01:00:50,500 --> 01:00:55,320
I think kind of a typical office residential project

632
01:00:55,320 --> 01:00:57,780
is under $10,000.

633
01:00:57,780 --> 01:01:12,640
You know, maybe in the $7,500 range, if it was a large VMT analysis you were doing for a specific plan, for example, it would probably be closer to the $15 to $20,000 range.

634
01:01:16,390 --> 01:01:17,930
Thank you.

635
01:01:21,660 --> 01:01:23,180
All right, that's all I know.

636
01:01:26,620 --> 01:01:30,260
All right, anyone else before we consider a month and on this item?

637
01:01:32,260 --> 01:01:33,740
No, all right, then,

638
01:01:37,360 --> 01:01:38,220
we're in the mind.

639
01:01:41,640 --> 01:01:45,080
We're having speed. We don't have anyone calling in on that, so you must work.

640
01:01:46,360 --> 01:01:51,080
At this time, the public phone lines are now open for those wishing to speak on the public hearing for

641
01:01:51,940 --> 01:01:58,640
SB 743. Any callers wanting to comment please press star six now state your name and then wait until you are called upon.

642
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:00,980
because we're limited to agreement and speech.

643
01:02:03,700 --> 01:02:06,820
It does not look like we have any callers.

644
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:08,980
All right, thank you very much.

645
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:11,660
So then without objection, we'll close the public hearing

646
01:02:11,660 --> 01:02:13,400
on this matter, it's very long.

647
01:02:15,730 --> 01:02:19,470
I moved to motion to adopt resolution number 20.

648
01:02:19,870 --> 01:02:22,610
That is 0.9, recommending the city council approval.

649
01:02:23,130 --> 01:02:26,250
A general plan of the amendment, number 20, that is 0.9,

650
01:02:26,370 --> 01:02:28,070
but the amendment for the political mobility,

651
01:02:28,790 --> 01:02:31,170
chapter for the adoption of B, M, T,

652
01:02:31,170 --> 01:02:38,350
baseline the threshold as required by state by Senate bill at b 7.3.

653
01:02:39,470 --> 01:02:41,030
All second death.

654
01:02:41,030 --> 01:02:42,110
Thank you.

655
01:02:45,050 --> 01:02:46,990
All right.

656
01:02:47,170 --> 01:02:47,550
Thank you.

657
01:02:50,190 --> 01:02:52,490
Please call over for all this one.

658
01:02:52,910 --> 01:02:54,150
Commissioner Tux.

659
01:02:55,850 --> 01:02:56,170
Yes.

660
01:02:57,090 --> 01:02:57,890
Commissioner Paris.

661
01:02:59,250 --> 01:02:59,770
Yes.

662
01:03:00,570 --> 01:03:01,210
Commissioner more.

663
01:03:02,570 --> 01:03:03,390
Yes.

664
01:03:04,310 --> 01:03:16,390
Commissioner Harvey? Yes. Commissioner Cook? Yes. Vice-Chairsmith? Yes. Chairman Bows? Yes. Motion passes

665
01:03:16,390 --> 01:03:23,970
7-0. All right, thank you. And Tony is thank you very much for pulling this all together

666
01:03:23,970 --> 01:03:33,930
and who is a mat, Nico and Sarah, participating today and giving us a thorough explanation.

667
01:03:34,290 --> 01:03:34,750
That's for sure.

668
01:03:35,030 --> 01:03:35,930
Appreciate it.

669
01:03:44,690 --> 01:03:45,430
All right.

670
01:03:53,300 --> 01:04:06,840
Once I hit this agenda figured out with all the asking for email comments and phone comments,

671
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:08,940
and then I won't need a script, right?

672
01:04:09,220 --> 01:04:09,420
This one.

673
01:04:12,400 --> 01:04:13,380
Hopefully soon.

674
01:04:15,200 --> 01:04:15,380
Yeah.

675
01:04:15,620 --> 01:04:15,780
Hopefully.

676
01:04:17,220 --> 01:04:19,240
Maybe by Christmas, huh?

677
01:04:20,280 --> 01:04:20,600
Okay.

678
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:22,500
The next slide is I have number three.

679
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:23,880
I've mentioned earlier.

680
01:04:24,740 --> 01:04:28,780
The Holy Hearing is open on this matter.

681
01:04:29,060 --> 01:04:31,540
This is a kind of attractive math.

682
01:04:31,860 --> 01:04:33,400
Number 72 and three.

683
01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:35,580
The time extension.

684
01:04:35,580 --> 01:04:45,500
Um, then I'll value engineering as the applicant on behalf of the, I'll think story I believe, or the city, I'm sure.

685
01:04:48,190 --> 01:04:49,190
Isn't the housing authority?

686
01:04:55,340 --> 01:04:56,920
Yes, it's the housing authority.

687
01:04:58,420 --> 01:04:59,320
It is.

688
01:04:59,320 --> 01:04:59,960
It is.

689
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:03,640
Mr. Harvey?

690
01:05:08,300 --> 01:05:11,760
I didn't think it was the housing authority, but it is the housing authority. I will have to

691
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:21,220
recuse myself on the side of as the applicant. It's just, it actually is just the city.

692
01:05:25,370 --> 01:05:26,790
It was talking, I don't know.

693
01:05:27,790 --> 01:05:29,290
It's Mission Harvey.

694
01:05:30,730 --> 01:05:32,150
No, I heard it.

695
01:05:32,250 --> 01:05:32,550
It's Harvey.

696
01:05:32,910 --> 01:05:33,410
Eric, who is?

697
01:05:35,150 --> 01:05:36,510
What's staff number speaking?

698
01:05:38,210 --> 01:05:39,250
I don't know.

699
01:05:39,250 --> 01:05:39,250
So, I

700
01:05:41,970 --> 01:05:44,090
didn't hear the answer.

701
01:05:44,310 --> 01:05:48,890
I'm just a housing authority project or a wild, yes or no?

702
01:05:49,550 --> 01:05:50,830
Yes, it is.

703
01:05:51,070 --> 01:05:53,090
Okay, it is a housing authority project.

704
01:05:53,310 --> 01:05:54,530
So, it's Harvey as you're accusing.

705
01:05:55,210 --> 01:05:57,570
So, with that, I will, we'll, we'll use myself.

706
01:05:57,570 --> 01:06:07,010
I'll step out and then if Commissioner Smith can text me when I think we can come back in.

707
01:06:07,170 --> 01:06:07,650
That would be great.

708
01:06:08,510 --> 01:06:09,150
Thank you, sir.

709
01:06:10,390 --> 01:06:13,070
But we still have a forum with six members.

710
01:06:16,850 --> 01:06:20,290
Do we have any email comments or speakers on this item?

711
01:06:21,490 --> 01:06:23,750
I do not have any email comments.

712
01:06:24,670 --> 01:06:33,670
We heard a sack report on this item on our agenda review this earlier in this month.

713
01:06:34,830 --> 01:06:39,550
We went to Commissioner Bush to hear a further staff report.

714
01:06:42,190 --> 01:06:44,610
Did not have to know if the commission had more.

715
01:06:47,090 --> 01:06:47,110
All right.

716
01:06:47,490 --> 01:06:47,770
Thank you.

717
01:06:47,770 --> 01:06:48,010
No.

718
01:06:48,270 --> 01:06:48,450
All right.

719
01:06:49,130 --> 01:06:52,230
So we'll wait the staff report.

720
01:06:52,670 --> 01:06:56,290
And we've already asked if we have any email comments.

721
01:06:56,290 --> 01:07:03,010
You can open the public phone line in this winter.

722
01:07:04,230 --> 01:07:10,630
I'm curious about where Commissioner Taffs happens to be residing right now.

723
01:07:12,590 --> 01:07:16,390
In a Dungeon right now.

724
01:07:16,430 --> 01:07:18,250
I'm in a Dungeon right now.

725
01:07:18,370 --> 01:07:20,990
We're looking at the name of our family.

726
01:07:22,640 --> 01:07:25,620
It's last background like a lot more fun.

727
01:07:26,340 --> 01:07:27,580
Yeah, it was too much.

728
01:07:27,580 --> 01:07:36,620
noise and commotion, unfortunately. So that's a good problem to have, though.

729
01:07:39,660 --> 01:07:40,160
That's a

730
01:07:42,910 --> 01:07:45,250
question, thank you.

731
01:07:45,850 --> 01:07:48,050
All right, if you don't have any, you all have the following.

732
01:07:48,650 --> 01:07:48,790
Sorry.

733
01:07:49,710 --> 01:07:53,610
At this time, the public phone lines are now open for those wishing to speak on the public hearing

734
01:07:53,610 --> 01:07:56,250
for our tentative track maps, seven eight two one three.

735
01:07:56,450 --> 01:07:58,870
Any callers wanting to comment, please press star six.

736
01:07:58,870 --> 01:08:08,450
and then wait until you are called upon, speakers are limited to three minutes each and it does not look like we have any public comments.

737
01:08:09,130 --> 01:08:15,050
All right then, any further comments from members before I close the public hearing?

738
01:08:16,990 --> 01:08:22,210
So hearing none was out of objection with close public hearing on Andrew's draft.

739
01:08:22,210 --> 01:08:25,170
So, 8213 and consider one.

740
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:33,660
I know that we adopt Revelation number 20-10 granted a two-year time extension to May

741
01:08:33,660 --> 01:08:42,260
4-8, 2022 for tentative track path numbers, 7-8213 additional use permit number 17-27 for

742
01:08:42,260 --> 01:08:48,480
residential plan development of 167, single family lots, and 7 out of space lots.

743
01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:49,860
Thank you.

744
01:08:49,860 --> 01:08:58,360
I would like to mention more approves I'll send it to you.

745
01:08:58,400 --> 01:08:59,200
Mr. Perra.

746
01:09:01,780 --> 01:09:02,720
Thank you.

747
01:09:02,840 --> 01:09:02,980
All right.

748
01:09:03,140 --> 01:09:06,680
I remember it was excited to get back to the capital chambers.

749
01:09:10,130 --> 01:09:10,650
Dying.

750
01:09:11,270 --> 01:09:11,510
All right.

751
01:09:11,610 --> 01:09:12,630
Thank you.

752
01:09:12,790 --> 01:09:13,130
Call the roll.

753
01:09:13,390 --> 01:09:13,430
Thank you.

754
01:09:14,850 --> 01:09:16,130
Commissioner Tufts.

755
01:09:17,370 --> 01:09:17,690
Yes.

756
01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:19,090
Commissioner Perra.

757
01:09:20,750 --> 01:09:21,390
Yes.

758
01:09:22,070 --> 01:09:22,790
Commissioner Moore.

759
01:09:25,100 --> 01:09:25,560
Yes.

760
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:30,720
Commissioner Cook? Yes. Vice-Chairsmith?

761
01:09:34,420 --> 01:09:40,200
Yes. Chairman Bose? Yes. Motion passes 601

762
01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:47,340
recused. All right, we're going to thank you. All right, the next item is,

763
01:09:57,760 --> 01:09:57,780
I

764
01:09:57,780 --> 01:09:58,700
Thank you.

765
01:10:08,560 --> 01:10:16,580
All right, then. I'm just swaying us presenting on that. I believe, all right. That's correct.

766
01:10:16,980 --> 01:10:21,540
This was it. Thank you. If I want to share the screen.

767
01:10:36,180 --> 01:10:36,660
Okay.

768
01:10:51,760 --> 01:10:53,100
That's not.

769
01:10:53,800 --> 01:10:54,100
All right.

770
01:10:57,760 --> 01:10:58,600
On one.

771
01:10:59,320 --> 01:10:59,620
Thank you.

772
01:11:03,160 --> 01:11:05,120
Okay. Now that I can't actually make this work.

773
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:09,540
Chairman, Rose, the members of the commission, before you tonight is a request for a conditional

774
01:11:09,540 --> 01:11:15,260
use permit to allow for the construction and operation of a gas highly canopy garage and many

775
01:11:15,260 --> 01:11:22,560
mark with a type 20 ABC license for the sale of beer and wine and a waiver from the distance

776
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:27,400
requirements. The proposed project consists of the redevelopment of the site with a gas

777
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:33,360
housing canopy garage, many more and the sale of beer and wine for oxide consumption. The gas

778
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:38,080
housing canopy would be located in the central portion of the project site and we consist of 12

779
01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:42,960
fueling stations, the fueling stations will be screened to the extent feasible by the

780
01:11:42,960 --> 01:11:47,040
Minimumar and Goraj buildings located along Avenue I and 20th Street West.

781
01:11:48,100 --> 01:11:51,960
The Minimumar and Goraj buildings would refer on the corner of fronting both Avenue I and

782
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:57,560
20th Street West. The Minimar would be approximately 2,600 square feet with its primary

783
01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:01,980
frontage on the Avenue I and access would be provided from the street side at the corner

784
01:12:01,980 --> 01:12:06,620
of the intersection and from the interior of the site. A small restaurant with limited

785
01:12:06,620 --> 01:12:09,800
can you would be located within the mini-mart area?

786
01:12:10,320 --> 01:12:13,760
Four cooler areas, totally in 128 square feet,

787
01:12:13,880 --> 01:12:15,280
would be provided for alcohol,

788
01:12:15,860 --> 01:12:19,260
three for beer, one for wine, adjacent to the mini-mart

789
01:12:19,260 --> 01:12:22,820
in front, the 20th street west would be a 1300 square foot

790
01:12:22,820 --> 01:12:24,680
garage building for auto repair.

791
01:12:25,580 --> 01:12:27,140
The garage auto repair facility

792
01:12:27,140 --> 01:12:28,940
would be open Monday through Friday

793
01:12:28,940 --> 01:12:31,940
for May 25, PM, closed Saturday and Sunday.

794
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:35,120
The mini-mart would be open Monday through Sunday,

795
01:12:35,120 --> 01:12:42,360
6am to 11pm, and alcohol sales would be at the same time as the Minimar Operations.

796
01:12:43,300 --> 01:12:48,180
The restaurant interior to the Minimar would be open Monday through Sunday from 10am to 10pm.

797
01:12:52,270 --> 01:12:58,410
A Minimar is considered to be a primary alfale alcohol beverage establishment for Section 1742

798
01:12:58,410 --> 01:13:02,410
to do 20 of the White House communicable code,

799
01:13:02,790 --> 01:13:04,530
and as such it is subject to separation

800
01:13:04,530 --> 01:13:05,770
distance requirements.

801
01:13:06,790 --> 01:13:08,590
Specifically, the section states that

802
01:13:08,590 --> 01:13:10,470
a new primary off-stale establishment

803
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:13,270
is required to be 300 feet from residential uses

804
01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:16,870
or resident residentally designated properties,

805
01:13:17,610 --> 01:13:19,810
and 500 feet from other primary alcohol

806
01:13:19,810 --> 01:13:20,950
of beverages' advertisements.

807
01:13:22,190 --> 01:13:26,110
There are no residential uses located within the 300 feet,

808
01:13:26,110 --> 01:13:29,710
And there are two primary off-stale establishments

809
01:13:29,710 --> 01:13:33,190
the AMPM gas station in the Chevron located

810
01:13:33,190 --> 01:13:36,710
within the 500 feet, as such the applicant

811
01:13:36,710 --> 01:13:39,090
is requesting a waiver from the separation

812
01:13:39,090 --> 01:13:40,350
distance requirements.

813
01:13:43,700 --> 01:13:45,540
I'd be happy to answer any questions,

814
01:13:45,980 --> 01:13:49,120
but staff is recommending approval of the project

815
01:13:49,120 --> 01:13:53,080
with a waiver from the alcohol distance requirements.

816
01:14:01,020 --> 01:14:05,460
members, do you have any questions before we call on the applicant?

817
01:14:07,340 --> 01:14:13,560
We are just wondering for the restaurant, is that why it's calling for the alcohol

818
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:14,020
labor?

819
01:14:15,260 --> 01:14:22,600
No, so the restaurant interior to the Minimar would not sell alcohol and you cannot

820
01:14:22,600 --> 01:14:25,380
drink alcohol within the Minimar location.

821
01:14:26,040 --> 01:14:32,540
This is typically like me, I think you've seen some of them where they have like a subway sandwich shop inside.

822
01:14:34,020 --> 01:14:34,780
It is abuse.

823
01:14:37,760 --> 01:14:42,300
Yeah, the waiver is from the two gas stations on the side of the line.

824
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:49,000
All right.

825
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:51,000
Yes.

826
01:14:51,340 --> 01:14:52,420
I have a question.

827
01:14:52,720 --> 01:14:59,240
Have you heard any concerns from any citizens or nearby businesses or comments at all?

828
01:14:59,240 --> 01:14:59,780
on the public.

829
01:15:00,430 --> 01:15:01,090
No.

830
01:15:05,630 --> 01:15:06,510
Thank you.

831
01:15:08,500 --> 01:15:10,260
No, no.

832
01:15:10,480 --> 01:15:10,980
I'm sorry.

833
01:15:15,060 --> 01:15:15,700
Chairman Vos.

834
01:15:16,960 --> 01:15:17,400
Oh, okay.

835
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:20,780
But we could ask for you.

836
01:15:21,360 --> 01:15:22,840
Do you have something you wanted to ask?

837
01:15:23,160 --> 01:15:31,620
I did have a question about the hours of operation of the other two who are gas stations and minimarks there.

838
01:15:32,540 --> 01:15:37,580
So I actually don't have an answer for you because neither of those locations are required with.

839
01:15:37,580 --> 01:15:43,600
a conditional use permit as they sold out, alcohol prior to the adoption of our ordinance

840
01:15:43,600 --> 01:15:44,860
and their rent offered.

841
01:15:46,120 --> 01:15:46,220
Okay.

842
01:15:48,430 --> 01:15:49,250
Thank you.

843
01:15:51,970 --> 01:15:52,910
Anyone else?

844
01:15:56,750 --> 01:16:02,390
The applicants are the applicant or the representative, but wish to address that?

845
01:16:05,370 --> 01:16:08,770
I do know that the applicant's engineer is on the phone.

846
01:16:08,990 --> 01:16:13,330
They did submit an uncontested hearing letter, agreeing to help with the conditions.

847
01:16:16,990 --> 01:16:19,010
Oh, the applicant's engineer is here, right?

848
01:16:19,610 --> 01:16:22,950
Correct. Mr. Hamali is on the phone.

849
01:16:23,210 --> 01:16:24,370
Right. Okay.

850
01:16:25,370 --> 01:16:28,450
But we're going to have some questions for him.

851
01:16:31,980 --> 01:16:33,300
No one else has anything?

852
01:16:36,060 --> 01:16:37,640
I thought I have questions.

853
01:16:37,900 --> 01:16:41,240
I mean, I look at the parking in this and

854
01:16:41,240 --> 01:16:42,340
Am I seeing this right?

855
01:16:42,360 --> 01:16:45,220
There's only two parking spots in your thinking restaurant.

856
01:16:45,940 --> 01:16:47,100
Looks like five.

857
01:16:47,380 --> 01:16:48,000
The five.

858
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:50,420
It's not necessarily a sit down restaurant.

859
01:16:50,420 --> 01:16:53,980
And as I described, this is like as a sandwich shop, you know,

860
01:16:54,100 --> 01:16:58,220
pictures of a sandwich you go, because you're already there.

861
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:02,700
There are no minimum parking standards in the commercial zone.

862
01:17:05,580 --> 01:17:08,420
So there isn't a standard that I can force them to meet,

863
01:17:08,420 --> 01:17:11,420
because we don't have a minimum parking standard.

864
01:17:12,060 --> 01:17:15,620
And how about the landscaping on this?

865
01:17:15,620 --> 01:17:25,460
So, the landscaping means the required percentage after you remove the square footage of the buildings for the site, it means code.

866
01:17:29,530 --> 01:17:30,810
Thank you, that's all I have.

867
01:17:32,170 --> 01:17:40,150
Yeah, this is an MRA that's been here for almost two decades, right?

868
01:17:40,690 --> 01:17:41,450
That is correct.

869
01:17:44,270 --> 01:17:44,890
Thank you.

870
01:17:57,660 --> 01:18:03,560
The fourth one that was provided to us doesn't have any key notes, but there's a lot of key notes identified.

871
01:18:04,020 --> 01:18:07,280
So you can't make a determination of what was provided.

872
01:18:12,520 --> 01:18:15,940
Hold on. I can't make this. Now I can leave the back.

873
01:18:26,150 --> 01:18:26,430
The way.

874
01:18:29,730 --> 01:18:30,250
Okay.

875
01:18:30,330 --> 01:18:31,070
We're fine.

876
01:18:39,640 --> 01:18:41,540
Now let's go on to work on it.

877
01:18:41,920 --> 01:18:42,320
That's easy.

878
01:18:44,040 --> 01:18:44,400
Okay.

879
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:46,600
I need to go up in the front.

880
01:18:48,180 --> 01:19:08,640
The reason we're looking at that decides the fact that it's a minimum requesting alcoholic beverages is also a project that has not gone to EEC so we have to look at it like an EEC project.

881
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:14,640
plus there's a waiver, so we have a narrative opportunity here to divide,

882
01:19:17,160 --> 01:19:17,160
right?

883
01:19:18,840 --> 01:19:19,860
That is correct.

884
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:33,580
So I can't identify what is proposed on the fourth plan because the keynotes aren't.

885
01:19:33,620 --> 01:19:38,940
There's no schedule of notes, so you're guessing.

886
01:19:38,940 --> 01:19:49,160
So the operating hours for fuel sales are 24 hours, but the mini-mire and food operation are different.

887
01:19:49,940 --> 01:19:51,160
That is correct.

888
01:19:53,190 --> 01:19:57,790
So can someone tell me how you operate?

889
01:19:57,790 --> 01:19:59,950
So quiet.

890
01:20:00,020 --> 01:20:06,420
Right off to the many more associated with the gas station does not allow people inside the

891
01:20:06,420 --> 01:20:14,040
many more and after a certain hour in the doors unlocked, but there is almost like a cash year window

892
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:19,700
if they want to pay for cash with cash for their gas, they can submit the cash in their window

893
01:20:19,700 --> 01:20:21,560
and get changed back.

894
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:30,130
I'll show you what that is because it's not on any of the site plan and since there's some key notes

895
01:20:30,130 --> 01:20:34,410
there's no way to identify the pasture window.

896
01:20:35,030 --> 01:20:39,050
Okay, and how Molly may be able to help was that one?

897
01:20:39,410 --> 01:20:43,070
That was my assumption it may be credit card only.

898
01:20:43,490 --> 01:20:44,190
That's fine.

899
01:20:44,890 --> 01:20:48,590
Why don't we ask the person who's representing the applicant to respond?

900
01:20:51,520 --> 01:20:53,760
Mr. Hombali, do you have an answer for that?

901
01:20:59,560 --> 01:20:59,940
Yes.

902
01:20:59,940 --> 01:21:14,020
Okay, yeah, hi, this one, not like it's right through, they could be like a batch

903
01:21:14,020 --> 01:21:29,040
through window, but it may be like ATM cards on the gas island, and basically we didn't

904
01:21:29,040 --> 01:21:31,220
the blank for, there's

905
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:34,440
been a

906
01:21:40,650 --> 01:21:41,430
report plan.

907
01:21:41,610 --> 01:21:43,910
There's no key notes on our presentation,

908
01:21:44,930 --> 01:21:46,150
so it's a guess.

909
01:21:47,190 --> 01:21:49,330
So although there is a window schedule,

910
01:21:50,690 --> 01:21:54,650
and the window schedule does not indicate a pass through a call.

911
01:21:55,170 --> 01:21:58,390
If you look at the floor plan and where the capture,

912
01:21:59,590 --> 01:22:04,710
pay point is relationship to the gas island,

913
01:22:04,710 --> 01:22:09,070
There is no direct visual observation from the eight point.

914
01:22:10,290 --> 01:22:16,850
So my concern, one of my concerns, I have many, even one of my concerns, is how does

915
01:22:16,850 --> 01:22:24,090
the 24-hour operation where it requires full time and employment employees serving the operation?

916
01:22:24,130 --> 01:22:27,190
How does they do that if you can't see it?

917
01:22:30,550 --> 01:22:32,850
Do you want to answer this question?

918
01:22:32,850 --> 01:22:42,960
after hours the meat market is closed open it's only the gas climate and they can use the crazy

919
01:22:42,960 --> 01:22:52,660
cars to the gas climate but they could be an intercom option. They could use like a camera

920
01:22:52,660 --> 01:22:55,860
and an intercom for communication.

921
01:22:59,930 --> 01:23:02,730
Our requirements for a gas station many more to the

922
01:23:02,730 --> 01:23:09,490
people in 24-hour basis required full-time employment employees, on-site,

923
01:23:09,690 --> 01:23:15,850
amount of the entire operation. You don't necessarily require the interior of the space

924
01:23:15,850 --> 01:23:24,650
to be accessed by the potential customer, but it has precise security and general overall

925
01:23:24,650 --> 01:23:30,710
a good business plan. One would want to have the ability at least in my opinion to be able

926
01:23:30,710 --> 01:23:34,210
to observe the activities on the site, and typically

927
01:23:35,050 --> 01:23:38,370
your pay point is the place where you have that observation.

928
01:23:40,490 --> 01:23:47,150
OK, so we can add maybe like a window for visual observation.

929
01:23:48,290 --> 01:23:53,590
And if necessary for service, it can be like a best blow window.

930
01:23:55,090 --> 01:23:58,110
Well, let's just move on with the rest of it.

931
01:23:58,110 --> 01:24:03,430
your door is going to go to shows that you've got a double door going out to the

932
01:24:03,430 --> 01:24:08,730
door point on the corner of 20 of the night, right?

933
01:24:09,850 --> 01:24:14,830
And you also have a double door except to the other side.

934
01:24:19,350 --> 01:24:22,130
Yes, we do have to enter into it.

935
01:24:22,270 --> 01:24:24,150
And you also have a single door.

936
01:24:25,470 --> 01:24:27,030
You have a single door also.

937
01:24:30,420 --> 01:24:39,620
So you have multiple points of access, but no visual to the gas island from the faith points.

938
01:24:40,000 --> 01:24:44,400
Speaking of that, how many employees would you anticipate with either an enormous ship

939
01:24:45,220 --> 01:24:49,640
during the day for all the activities that are going on?

940
01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:51,840
And it could be like a free.

941
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:53,720
How many?

942
01:24:54,420 --> 01:24:55,080
Three employees?

943
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:57,080
Three.

944
01:24:58,260 --> 01:24:59,940
Yeah, so maybe one maybe four, but.

945
01:25:02,040 --> 01:25:15,750
All right, then you have five farthing stalls, one of which is a non-able body handicapped, so-called handicapped space. Where are the employees part?

946
01:25:15,750 --> 01:25:25,150
I can't hear the answer.

947
01:25:26,770 --> 01:25:29,870
Yeah, I can't hear the answer.

948
01:25:30,830 --> 01:25:33,930
What's the

949
01:25:37,100 --> 01:25:37,440
answer?

950
01:25:39,990 --> 01:25:43,070
More planning, more using some street

951
01:25:46,620 --> 01:25:48,820
fucks.

952
01:25:48,820 --> 01:25:54,000
that there is no street parking on 20th Street West or

953
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:58,420
Avenue Y. Yeah, that's the main measure of street.

954
01:26:01,430 --> 01:26:03,550
We also come to the parking on the

955
01:26:03,550 --> 01:26:06,670
there's a penalty. That's what they're going to come on.

956
01:26:07,250 --> 01:26:08,630
Yeah, that's what they're going to come on.

957
01:26:08,650 --> 01:26:16,090
Okay, so how many employees we have now three?

958
01:26:18,510 --> 01:26:26,430
Okay, so if we have like two or three employees, we need to get away a little bit.

959
01:26:26,810 --> 01:26:34,770
You have two or three employees, but your fourth plan and activate a show of your business plan,

960
01:26:34,910 --> 01:26:42,310
at least I'm making an assumption that there's a business plan that indicates you have a food service,

961
01:26:43,230 --> 01:26:50,350
But if somebody's doing prayer, and somebody's doing sales, you also have the mini-mark

962
01:26:50,350 --> 01:26:59,350
activity, you also have the knot and the outer repair, but the small station would take

963
01:26:59,350 --> 01:26:59,690
somebody.

964
01:26:59,830 --> 01:27:05,170
So I'm assuming we're here, this and this is hoping you got to have a minimum of 4 people

965
01:27:05,170 --> 01:27:06,290
probably more.

966
01:27:07,670 --> 01:27:16,230
Yeah, we are going to commit to like a three or four of these, and we don't have no

967
01:27:16,230 --> 01:27:19,290
cooperation for them to part.

968
01:27:20,170 --> 01:27:29,790
Yeah, we have, if you make some arrangement for them to just try to use like minimum

969
01:27:29,790 --> 01:27:31,950
like to space to something,

970
01:27:35,820 --> 01:27:40,420
you know, we're not, we're looking at a proposal based on

971
01:27:40,420 --> 01:27:44,520
what you prepare for us to make a determination.

972
01:27:45,460 --> 01:27:47,780
So that's the reason I'm raising those issues.

973
01:27:50,710 --> 01:27:53,370
They're my concerns, and there can be others.

974
01:27:55,310 --> 01:27:59,410
You're a switch year location, and it's our policy that

975
01:27:59,410 --> 01:28:04,790
switch year, be located inside the building, not outside the building.

976
01:28:07,270 --> 01:28:07,290
Okay.

977
01:28:07,590 --> 01:28:08,750
And the public alone.

978
01:28:10,390 --> 01:28:11,310
Yeah, switch year.

979
01:28:12,010 --> 01:28:13,250
Yeah, we can be right now.

980
01:28:13,250 --> 01:28:17,290
It's not inside the building, right?

981
01:28:20,350 --> 01:28:24,670
It can be incorporated to be part of the empathy.

982
01:28:27,070 --> 01:28:27,450
It's what?

983
01:28:28,890 --> 01:28:33,310
It can be enclosed and then be inside the building.

984
01:28:34,930 --> 01:28:40,450
It can be, if we haven't owned a plan, there's no electrical room.

985
01:28:40,750 --> 01:28:41,450
OK, it's outside.

986
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:47,660
The roof back says, where's your roof ladder?

987
01:28:50,100 --> 01:28:55,080
The reflada is from inside, inside the building.

988
01:28:55,920 --> 01:28:58,220
It's not identified on the forefront, whereas

989
01:29:00,940 --> 01:29:03,620
can you put the flow of land on the screen?

990
01:29:08,900 --> 01:29:09,700
Let's take a look.

991
01:29:18,620 --> 01:29:19,340
The elevation here.

992
01:29:33,140 --> 01:29:37,810
We have some room. We can put it inside.

993
01:29:37,810 --> 01:29:38,710
We

994
01:29:43,030 --> 01:29:49,450
have some room there between the mechanic and the minimum market area.

995
01:29:51,230 --> 01:29:56,930
So we have a room, we can put it inside, but it's not identified on the plan.

996
01:30:01,550 --> 01:30:12,450
Yeah, it went through the design and nobody mentioned that it need to be the inside, but we can go up on the inside.

997
01:30:12,790 --> 01:30:16,010
You have to access the room, so what were your plans? What are on the outside?

998
01:30:17,030 --> 01:30:24,470
There will perhaps, it can be also in one of the rooms in the auto repair area.

999
01:30:25,310 --> 01:30:30,530
We can have a ladder there to go to the room, so there will be inside also.

1000
01:30:30,530 --> 01:30:37,350
I think your understanding of my point is that your application is not complete.

1001
01:30:38,270 --> 01:30:43,430
Nor is it properly identified with the typical operational issues that when we would expect

1002
01:30:43,430 --> 01:30:45,110
from inspect the views.

1003
01:30:48,690 --> 01:30:57,850
On the plan, it's noted that your trashing closure is a two-spiel gate or a broad iron gate.

1004
01:30:57,990 --> 01:30:59,470
It's not screen.

1005
01:31:07,100 --> 01:31:09,700
It's on the side. It's on the side. It's on the side.

1006
01:31:09,700 --> 01:31:11,680
It's on the side, man. It's all the way in the back.

1007
01:31:15,040 --> 01:31:16,700
Let's take a look at the side.

1008
01:31:25,250 --> 01:31:27,290
Let's look at the side, then the painting.

1009
01:31:30,050 --> 01:31:31,750
Can you put the side line on the frame?

1010
01:31:33,330 --> 01:31:34,690
I'm going out.

1011
01:31:36,230 --> 01:31:40,910
Yeah, I mean, it's going to do two previous to this.

1012
01:31:40,910 --> 01:31:42,630
What is

1013
01:31:53,060 --> 01:31:54,060
the question closer?

1014
01:31:54,440 --> 01:31:55,520
Can I see it?

1015
01:31:56,200 --> 01:31:56,540
OK.

1016
01:31:57,520 --> 01:32:00,320
And is this screen with the lengthening all around it?

1017
01:32:00,420 --> 01:32:07,780
It has a lengthening screen all around it.

1018
01:32:10,020 --> 01:32:13,880
I'm talking about the access point.

1019
01:32:14,180 --> 01:32:16,320
The front gate of the transaction closer.

1020
01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:25,780
It's shaking the gas island, scraping inside the land.

1021
01:32:27,080 --> 01:32:28,840
So do we need the skaters from the land?

1022
01:32:31,510 --> 01:32:32,790
The other part of the screen.

1023
01:32:33,770 --> 01:32:36,850
Okay, but it can't be screened from the interior of the land

1024
01:32:36,850 --> 01:32:43,610
because the interior of the land has the gate to allow waste management to access it.

1025
01:32:43,970 --> 01:32:46,010
The size of it are screened with landscaping.

1026
01:32:51,770 --> 01:32:59,050
Usually, they don't like the gates to be facing the three, that's why they want to be in a way from the three.

1027
01:33:03,210 --> 01:33:03,670
We do too.

1028
01:33:09,210 --> 01:33:12,290
So let's talk about the small station.

1029
01:33:15,160 --> 01:33:15,920
How does it operate?

1030
01:33:18,900 --> 01:33:19,720
How does it operate?

1031
01:33:24,540 --> 01:33:27,100
Is there a garage door?

1032
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:32,140
And the cars can enter from the garage door.

1033
01:33:32,140 --> 01:33:34,780
to the death and after that happened.

1034
01:33:40,230 --> 01:33:46,510
So what do you do to do the vehicles pull all the way in or

1035
01:33:46,510 --> 01:33:58,990
only partially in? Usually partially, not all the way. But we have the room so it can be

1036
01:34:00,250 --> 01:34:01,330
That

1037
01:34:04,050 --> 01:34:15,130
means that it will be blocking at least one parking space plus the potential walkway access

1038
01:34:17,210 --> 01:34:18,490
In the gut, right?

1039
01:34:20,530 --> 01:34:23,790
There are only two, there is eight foot.

1040
01:34:24,730 --> 01:34:29,690
That's a, I mean, the ADA, it's based.

1041
01:34:33,230 --> 01:34:38,070
If there is a car there, it's still going to leave

1042
01:34:38,070 --> 01:34:39,930
that other places clear.

1043
01:34:41,370 --> 01:34:44,210
So it's going to be almost very all the way inside,

1044
01:34:45,130 --> 01:34:47,790
and then it's going to be backing up.

1045
01:34:50,500 --> 01:34:52,020
But you just heard this.

1046
01:34:52,020 --> 01:34:59,400
I think we all understand that it's difficult that folks that utilize this model.

1047
01:35:00,370 --> 01:35:08,270
The Ministry of Testing Service, typically did not hold all the way into a bay as we would in a return to the

1048
01:35:08,270 --> 01:35:16,870
garage or for loomservice to only hold partial in testing and time with usually have to be

1049
01:35:16,870 --> 01:35:22,470
able outside of it and the other half inside. And that's typically how they operate.

1050
01:35:26,780 --> 01:35:31,400
The way to the duty should be enough for the cars to go into the bay.

1051
01:35:34,280 --> 01:35:44,380
In this case, I think we have our homes, so the car can go inside, and the dynamo can be further inside the building.

1052
01:35:51,160 --> 01:35:58,600
So what services need to offer in the small, because they don't see the floor plan to that.

1053
01:36:00,100 --> 01:36:03,100
Unless there was one, you know,

1054
01:36:07,620 --> 01:36:11,100
there's no improvements on the floor plan that you submitted.

1055
01:36:11,100 --> 01:36:15,960
So we have no idea what activities you're taking place in that.

1056
01:36:17,490 --> 01:36:18,830
It's not that only.

1057
01:36:23,850 --> 01:36:26,190
Yeah, the plan was only for a smart test.

1058
01:36:26,490 --> 01:36:27,930
It's not like every bear garage.

1059
01:36:29,430 --> 01:36:31,270
No, I understand that.

1060
01:36:32,840 --> 01:36:37,200
But are you testing four-wheel drive vehicles?

1061
01:36:37,520 --> 01:36:39,100
They're only two-wheel drive vehicles.

1062
01:36:44,190 --> 01:36:45,250
Yeah, maybe four-wheel

1063
01:36:47,460 --> 01:36:47,740
drive.

1064
01:36:47,740 --> 01:36:50,360
Are you content about the fight that you've made?

1065
01:36:51,800 --> 01:36:58,760
Not just asking a question, you know, my concerns, I haven't shared totally with you.

1066
01:36:58,880 --> 01:37:04,100
I just wonder what the business plan is because you've got a very, very challenging

1067
01:37:06,880 --> 01:37:12,680
site on the proposal improvements, circulation, parking,

1068
01:37:16,960 --> 01:37:18,660
so if you're, you know, my concern

1069
01:37:18,660 --> 01:37:25,560
And as a fear, in one or two of those days, it's occupied plus you're operating in many

1070
01:37:25,560 --> 01:37:32,920
March, and you only have five parking spaces to which are not near the front entrance

1071
01:37:32,920 --> 01:37:34,440
or activity,

1072
01:37:36,540 --> 01:37:48,640
it seems challenging to me how it's going to operate efficiently and how

1073
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:57,240
May is for the convenience and necessity, though I'm concerned about convenience first of all.

1074
01:38:02,450 --> 01:38:03,410
Let's move on.

1075
01:38:05,830 --> 01:38:12,150
We asked that to provide us with a site plan indicating where the tank farm is and you

1076
01:38:12,150 --> 01:38:16,990
find enough to provide that to us in which we got it today.

1077
01:38:18,910 --> 01:38:22,690
So, where do

1078
01:38:25,570 --> 01:38:31,010
the gasoline delivery vehicles, where do they park to all those fuel?

1079
01:38:32,790 --> 01:38:45,370
If you see the road for the truck and the gas tanks, it's going to be in that road.

1080
01:38:45,370 --> 01:38:53,290
So it will be bucked on trouble with use only and then empty the gas and then

1081
01:38:55,750 --> 01:38:57,450
thought they're going to be.

1082
01:38:57,650 --> 01:39:01,830
Well, either have to part, it can't part on top of it.

1083
01:39:02,590 --> 01:39:03,550
It can't part of it.

1084
01:39:04,450 --> 01:39:06,230
It can't part of it.

1085
01:39:06,470 --> 01:39:07,110
They have part of it.

1086
01:39:07,110 --> 01:39:07,450
They have part of it.

1087
01:39:07,450 --> 01:39:07,630
They have part of it.

1088
01:39:07,950 --> 01:39:08,790
They have part of it.

1089
01:39:08,790 --> 01:39:10,250
They have

1090
01:39:12,490 --> 01:39:13,370
part of it.

1091
01:39:14,070 --> 01:39:15,890
We can connect with it.

1092
01:39:15,890 --> 01:39:17,030
You're not familiar with it.

1093
01:39:17,170 --> 01:39:17,730
I am.

1094
01:39:19,970 --> 01:39:28,270
The reason I'm asking the question is the way the tank farm is located in relationship

1095
01:39:28,270 --> 01:39:29,910
to the pump line,

1096
01:39:32,490 --> 01:39:41,030
the delivery vehicle would have to park somewhere near the exit driveway

1097
01:39:41,030 --> 01:39:51,490
and would block the ingress and egress from 20 to 20 during the delivery process.

1098
01:39:52,290 --> 01:39:58,790
because you have depending on the amount of fuel and the number of

1099
01:40:00,110 --> 01:40:04,510
You know, products that you're selling, you're even selling two or three products, right?

1100
01:40:06,770 --> 01:40:14,870
So if it's only two, that means you have either a soundlier, a truck and trailer with four

1101
01:40:14,870 --> 01:40:19,010
or two preventing and two for fuel.

1102
01:40:20,150 --> 01:40:27,250
So if you put that template of those beautiful on this site plan, you will see that you're

1103
01:40:27,250 --> 01:40:36,180
totally blocking, ingress any grids with the site from 20 during the healing of

1104
01:40:36,180 --> 01:40:36,580
activity.

1105
01:40:44,950 --> 01:40:48,570
I think, you know, there is going to be something like

1106
01:40:48,570 --> 01:40:52,210
Cambory when they were not visiting.

1107
01:40:53,590 --> 01:40:59,630
And they can maybe figure out if there is not the

1108
01:40:59,630 --> 01:41:04,250
location and we can look at them and now they're patient, they're going to feel it better

1109
01:41:04,250 --> 01:41:05,070
work.

1110
01:41:16,960 --> 01:41:20,080
And they're going to feel it better, they're going to feel it better.

1111
01:41:20,080 --> 01:41:22,140
Other rooms we can look at there.

1112
01:41:25,280 --> 01:41:31,960
All right, you're going back to your site plans and since we're only the ER and if you were

1113
01:41:32,540 --> 01:41:35,620
off, where is your ClarePire

1114
01:41:38,220 --> 01:41:39,520
recent research

1115
01:41:43,450 --> 01:41:46,490
that's led to ClarePire for the Drain?

1116
01:41:48,990 --> 01:41:52,310
up to the time for you're proofing operation.

1117
01:41:54,760 --> 01:41:55,780
Where's the rest room?

1118
01:41:55,780 --> 01:41:56,780
When they're a stranger.

1119
01:42:03,850 --> 01:42:05,010
They have different types.

1120
01:42:05,290 --> 01:42:09,390
They have one can be under the level of the thing

1121
01:42:09,950 --> 01:42:12,630
and they have one, they can look at them, the outside.

1122
01:42:14,830 --> 01:42:17,810
9% of them, it's not identified on the side one.

1123
01:42:20,270 --> 01:42:21,550
We can, I can show it.

1124
01:42:21,770 --> 01:42:24,970
It's going to be inside where the cooking area under the flat.

1125
01:42:29,050 --> 01:42:33,350
You're telling me that it's only a warm kitchen.

1126
01:42:33,350 --> 01:42:35,690
you're not cooking anything in there.

1127
01:42:38,500 --> 01:42:41,860
We don't have to go out to business. It could be a

1128
01:42:41,860 --> 01:42:44,100
subway it would be. We don't know.

1129
01:42:46,590 --> 01:42:49,590
If you don't know, wait a minute, I'll take the car.

1130
01:42:53,380 --> 01:42:59,000
Hey Jim, this is Trolley's on on those grease interceptors that we determine that requirement

1131
01:42:59,000 --> 01:43:04,480
when we issue the building permit. Sometimes the food establishments like a subway don't require

1132
01:43:04,480 --> 01:43:11,100
anything. If it is a restaurant that's doing more cooking a foods with grease is a grease

1133
01:43:11,100 --> 01:43:12,520
sector will be required,

1134
01:43:14,960 --> 01:43:17,980
and it will be part of the building permit package.

1135
01:43:18,800 --> 01:43:25,900
I understand the point is, you know, we're trying to understand necessity and convenience,

1136
01:43:26,580 --> 01:43:28,960
but we don't understand what's being proposed.

1137
01:43:30,040 --> 01:43:32,140
How can we make a pyramid termination?

1138
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:39,640
What they need to know is, you know,

1139
01:43:39,640 --> 01:43:46,500
I don't know how to play business or something, something, not like, and just cooking, and things like that.

1140
01:43:47,300 --> 01:43:54,480
But at this time, we just lean with the concept that we have that room to fit it.

1141
01:43:54,640 --> 01:43:58,620
If it's needed, but if it's not needed, we don't need to worry about

1142
01:44:04,060 --> 01:44:05,240
sharing, we show it to anyway.

1143
01:44:06,260 --> 01:44:08,920
Is that so terrifying for you?

1144
01:44:08,920 --> 01:44:19,820
Can you tell us the reasons for best to grant a winner when there's already two existing

1145
01:44:19,820 --> 01:44:27,500
gas station many marks that offer product in here, just discussed with us?

1146
01:44:28,500 --> 01:44:33,820
Why do we should grant a waiver to allow this project to move forward when the same

1147
01:44:33,820 --> 01:44:43,180
But these are already two operations of very, very similar uses being in that same marketplace.

1148
01:44:44,980 --> 01:44:55,740
Because there's a major intersection and for customer to go and buy it and then cost the three, that's not feasible or that's not correct to come back.

1149
01:44:57,910 --> 01:44:59,010
That's what we mean.

1150
01:45:05,870 --> 01:45:07,310
Good afternoon,

1151
01:45:11,620 --> 01:45:31,560
Mr. President. This is John Slund. The convenience portion of it is met because it's the only one that you can access kind of westbound direction. You can't access the AMP or the Chevron if you're heading westbound with a left-hand turn. It's not a allowable movement of that location without doing any harm.

1152
01:45:35,690 --> 01:45:42,730
That's the reason we're offering a waiver, you know, what I'm here, when there's two

1153
01:45:42,730 --> 01:45:47,530
of it like, that's the convenience portion of the waiver.

1154
01:45:47,730 --> 01:45:55,850
The necessity portion involves a variety of factors that can be taken into consideration, including

1155
01:45:55,850 --> 01:46:02,670
being needful for the operation of the business and, you know, other factors.

1156
01:46:03,830 --> 01:46:06,450
Those are all identified in 1742.

1157
01:46:09,410 --> 01:46:09,510
Okay.

1158
01:46:09,510 --> 01:46:10,770
Folks are identified on the purple.

1159
01:46:12,030 --> 01:46:12,490
The purple.

1160
01:46:14,390 --> 01:46:14,770
Right?

1161
01:46:16,770 --> 01:46:24,570
It almost seems to me that we might consider it in fact continuation of this, because there seems to be a lot of uncertainty.

1162
01:46:30,280 --> 01:46:33,740
I concur that we might need to postpone this.

1163
01:46:33,740 --> 01:46:39,740
We do need to have clear actions and answers before we actually vote on something.

1164
01:46:39,900 --> 01:46:42,760
We need to know completely what we are voting on.

1165
01:46:42,920 --> 01:46:44,900
That's only fair to the applicant, I believe.

1166
01:46:55,250 --> 01:46:55,490
Okay.

1167
01:46:55,690 --> 01:47:01,210
I think the major issue is the proposed plan is the parking spaces.

1168
01:47:02,230 --> 01:47:09,270
The number is closed and I think the major issue here is to be able to provide more

1169
01:47:09,270 --> 01:47:17,650
these pieces and make better circulation for the size so you can soak in here where the

1170
01:47:17,650 --> 01:47:23,710
few of the pieces are as far as the particles, where the few of the particles are as far as

1171
01:47:23,710 --> 01:47:30,950
being located on the side. We also need to propose in the plan that there's no

1172
01:47:30,950 --> 01:47:39,110
These are cooking operations that are difficult, only three packs of food, I believe, because

1173
01:47:39,110 --> 01:47:45,550
the area of the food is, that we are proposing if we don't fit the commercial equipment.

1174
01:47:46,130 --> 01:47:51,110
It's only good for something like sandwiches, repets,

1175
01:47:53,760 --> 01:47:58,820
and also, it's more unusual to

1176
01:47:58,820 --> 01:48:06,760
We have the room to put the electric panel inside, the electric room, and the ladder for the roof.

1177
01:48:07,260 --> 01:48:10,180
We don't see that problem with the design.

1178
01:48:11,040 --> 01:48:15,540
So the main thing now is to propose more party spaces.

1179
01:48:16,440 --> 01:48:23,220
And I believe that the way we went with that van is according to the city,

1180
01:48:23,220 --> 01:48:30,920
It's important that there is no minimum parking, number, required, so that's why we propose that plan.

1181
01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:37,060
But if this is going to be an issue, I don't see problems that we can put some more.

1182
01:48:37,460 --> 01:48:41,920
Maybe shrink to the building and improve the circulation.

1183
01:48:44,200 --> 01:48:45,040
Can I clarify?

1184
01:48:50,100 --> 01:48:52,340
It's a little hard to hear you.

1185
01:48:52,380 --> 01:48:54,320
I think it's not a very good connection.

1186
01:48:54,920 --> 01:48:55,800
It's a little broken up.

1187
01:48:55,940 --> 01:48:57,060
So I just want to clarify.

1188
01:48:58,820 --> 01:49:01,680
When you mention the food, free patterns,

1189
01:49:01,760 --> 01:49:05,080
are you saying that you're not going to have a kitchen

1190
01:49:05,080 --> 01:49:07,880
where you're preparing food or I'm not sure.

1191
01:49:07,880 --> 01:49:15,080
Like the way we put the slow-clank here, we are not showing like a big commercial kitchen.

1192
01:49:16,140 --> 01:49:22,680
Something like a daily pre-packed food, something to be heated, but it wouldn't require

1193
01:49:22,680 --> 01:49:26,060
amazing cooking because there's no room to read for them.

1194
01:49:29,480 --> 01:49:35,120
Okay, I thought I heard, I had a very good mention something like a subway, which would be...

1195
01:49:35,120 --> 01:49:36,900
That's an example.

1196
01:49:40,700 --> 01:49:40,980
Okay.

1197
01:49:45,940 --> 01:49:54,280
I work with the engineer, my name is Christine Elliott, I work with the design and

1198
01:49:54,280 --> 01:49:57,760
resting on the side and the floor clean.

1199
01:50:01,040 --> 01:50:14,460
I think it might be best for the applicant if we do table-less and continue it to run around in, you know, hopefully, in chambers and it will be around easier for us to be able to communicate together.

1200
01:50:15,200 --> 01:50:28,560
And on top of that, our city planners can help put together the questions that we've been asking and hopefully we will be able to get answers to those that we convene again in July.

1201
01:50:28,560 --> 01:50:30,500
Yeah, that's, does that sound okay?

1202
01:50:32,900 --> 01:50:33,960
Yeah, that's fun.

1203
01:50:34,800 --> 01:50:34,980
Okay.

1204
01:50:35,680 --> 01:50:37,020
And I thought a little bit.

1205
01:50:37,220 --> 01:50:40,360
But like you hear from the applicant himself.

1206
01:50:41,100 --> 01:50:42,420
So that would be a very helpful.

1207
01:50:42,740 --> 01:50:43,180
That's ours, yeah.

1208
01:50:45,100 --> 01:50:47,240
Yes, if we could have the applicant present,

1209
01:50:47,380 --> 01:50:49,120
there's rather than, I think, that we have that.

1210
01:50:50,260 --> 01:50:51,680
That we hear that out of the problems.

1211
01:50:51,920 --> 01:50:53,520
We seem to be having with the project.

1212
01:50:53,900 --> 01:50:54,180
Is that okay?

1213
01:50:54,320 --> 01:50:54,820
Is that possible?

1214
01:50:55,760 --> 01:50:55,920
Yeah.

1215
01:50:57,520 --> 01:50:57,760
Wonderful.

1216
01:50:57,900 --> 01:50:58,620
Thank you.

1217
01:51:02,500 --> 01:51:08,560
Well, there's some, um, if we're getting talking about this, um,

1218
01:51:13,890 --> 01:51:20,230
before we move on to the motion, um, to the applicant's representatives,

1219
01:51:20,230 --> 01:51:22,990
have anything further you'd like to add.

1220
01:51:26,180 --> 01:51:29,920
Um, I, I believe you, you'll, you'll, uh, photograph applications.

1221
01:51:31,040 --> 01:51:34,520
And, uh, we did just spend time and I'll go to the staff before.

1222
01:51:35,300 --> 01:51:38,760
but don't argue with the issues and we can't do it for

1223
01:51:42,020 --> 01:51:46,480
some of the mission and we can get a new plan for everything all those are.

1224
01:51:49,170 --> 01:51:51,090
All right, thank you.

1225
01:51:51,250 --> 01:51:55,470
I'm just wondering if you really have any public comments or lives?

1226
01:51:56,590 --> 01:52:00,170
We do not have any email comments at this time the public phone lines.

1227
01:52:00,230 --> 01:52:04,730
You're now open for those wishing to speak on the public hearing for CUP 1719.

1228
01:52:04,730 --> 01:52:09,650
Any followers wanting to comment, please press star six next date your name and then wait until you are

1229
01:52:09,650 --> 01:52:12,990
called upon, speakers are limited to three minutes each,

1230
01:52:15,890 --> 01:52:16,950
and it is not look like we have

1231
01:52:16,950 --> 01:52:18,330
any followers.

1232
01:52:19,210 --> 01:52:21,070
All right, thank you.

1233
01:52:22,090 --> 01:52:27,290
So, any further comments from the commission? Are you ready for emotion?

1234
01:52:31,700 --> 01:52:35,120
I'd like to make a motion to continue.

1235
01:52:35,680 --> 01:52:41,120
And this shall use from it, number 13-19 to the July 20th.

1236
01:52:46,370 --> 01:52:47,250
That was my second.

1237
01:52:49,740 --> 01:52:51,620
Mr. Perry's first, the light for it.

1238
01:52:52,560 --> 01:52:53,480
Sure, I took that up.

1239
01:52:53,860 --> 01:52:55,620
Yeah, yeah, sure, yeah.

1240
01:52:56,940 --> 01:52:57,720
All right, thank you.

1241
01:52:58,460 --> 01:52:59,320
Any further discussion?

1242
01:53:02,400 --> 01:53:03,300
We'll call the roll.

1243
01:53:04,990 --> 01:53:05,750
Is it your test?

1244
01:53:07,610 --> 01:53:07,950
Yes.

1245
01:53:09,010 --> 01:53:09,550
Mr. Perry?

1246
01:53:10,650 --> 01:53:11,130
Yes.

1247
01:53:12,070 --> 01:53:12,650
Mr. Moore?

1248
01:53:14,090 --> 01:53:14,570
Yes.

1249
01:53:14,570 --> 01:53:17,470
Missionary Harvey? Yes.

1250
01:53:18,450 --> 01:53:20,510
Missionary Cook? Yes.

1251
01:53:21,870 --> 01:53:25,270
Vice-Chairsmith? Yes. Chairman Bows?

1252
01:53:26,590 --> 01:53:28,570
Yes, that would be July 22nd.

1253
01:53:29,730 --> 01:53:30,770
Regular meeting, right?

1254
01:53:31,510 --> 01:53:32,290
That is correct.

1255
01:53:33,150 --> 01:53:34,130
All right, thank you.

1256
01:53:37,800 --> 01:53:38,500
All right, then.

1257
01:53:38,640 --> 01:53:41,860
The next item is item number five.

1258
01:53:41,860 --> 01:53:42,960
Item number five.

1259
01:53:42,960 --> 01:53:50,250
I'm just going to give you from 18 at 1-7, the public hearing remains open on this.

1260
01:53:51,720 --> 01:53:59,060
If you see a correspondence on this, probably out again, turn your heads and shit.

1261
01:53:59,720 --> 01:54:00,580
And the number of things.

1262
01:54:01,020 --> 01:54:03,940
They're doing the exact same thing I did.

1263
01:54:04,940 --> 01:54:05,420
I'm sorry.

1264
01:54:05,420 --> 01:54:06,220
So,

1265
01:54:12,160 --> 01:54:16,900
I believe Ms. Swain, the applicant is asking to have this matter continued.

1266
01:54:18,000 --> 01:54:18,980
That is correct.

1267
01:54:20,300 --> 01:54:28,740
Okay. Before we consider motion on that, is anyone wish to offer any comments before it.

1268
01:54:29,380 --> 01:54:30,280
We consider motion,

1269
01:54:36,520 --> 01:54:37,320
hearing none.

1270
01:54:37,320 --> 01:54:45,160
And I would be in order for emotion to continue to the July meeting this one.

1271
01:54:45,760 --> 01:54:46,660
That is correct.

1272
01:54:47,240 --> 01:54:48,060
Thank you.

1273
01:54:52,670 --> 01:54:53,650
I'm going to tear it off for money.

1274
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:10,960
We offer a motion that we continue, conditional use permit, number 18, dash 17, and move this to our July 22, 2020 regular meeting.

1275
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:13,960
Thank you.

1276
01:55:16,270 --> 01:55:21,330
Anything further? Do we have any public comments on this?

1277
01:55:23,280 --> 01:55:25,860
You're not the email comments.

1278
01:55:27,640 --> 01:55:30,580
No email comments, anything on the phone?

1279
01:55:31,620 --> 01:55:33,820
At this time, the public phone lines are now open

1280
01:55:33,820 --> 01:55:36,280
for those wishing to speak on the public hearing

1281
01:55:36,280 --> 01:55:37,820
for CUP 1817.

1282
01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:40,060
Any callers want to comment, please,

1283
01:55:40,260 --> 01:55:41,760
or ask our six now, state your name,

1284
01:55:41,940 --> 01:55:43,660
and then wait until you are call the phone.

1285
01:55:43,820 --> 01:55:45,420
Speak for your limited to three minutes.

1286
01:55:49,220 --> 01:55:52,000
It does not look like we have any callers.

1287
01:55:52,760 --> 01:55:54,740
All right, then we're ready for a vote.

1288
01:55:55,100 --> 01:55:55,720
Please call the roll.

1289
01:55:57,860 --> 01:55:59,380
Commissioner Tufts?

1290
01:55:59,420 --> 01:56:00,180
Yes.

1291
01:56:00,780 --> 01:56:02,200
Commissioner Paris?

1292
01:56:05,260 --> 01:56:05,580
No.

1293
01:56:06,300 --> 01:56:07,780
And there is meant yes.

1294
01:56:09,660 --> 01:56:10,820
Commissioner Moore?

1295
01:56:14,560 --> 01:56:14,920
Commissioner Harvey?

1296
01:56:16,020 --> 01:56:16,400
Yes.

1297
01:56:17,220 --> 01:56:18,000
Commissioner Cook?

1298
01:56:19,100 --> 01:56:19,300
Yes.

1299
01:56:20,400 --> 01:56:21,260
Vice-Chairsmith?

1300
01:56:22,360 --> 01:56:22,500
Yeah.

1301
01:56:23,300 --> 01:56:24,660
Chairman Lowe's.

1302
01:56:26,580 --> 01:56:28,340
Motion passes to continue.

1303
01:56:29,560 --> 01:56:30,080
7-0.

1304
01:56:31,660 --> 01:56:34,040
Did I hear somebody having a sandwich or something?

1305
01:56:34,040 --> 01:56:40,460
I'm not going to, we're all starving to death and somebody's having a snack. Who was that?

1306
01:56:40,840 --> 01:56:41,940
It wasn't me.

1307
01:56:42,680 --> 01:56:44,500
It's my dad. He's eating.

1308
01:56:45,360 --> 01:56:46,020
I'm not saying anything.

1309
01:56:48,120 --> 01:56:49,540
It's both a share.

1310
01:56:50,920 --> 01:56:52,260
I just figured it out.

1311
01:56:52,400 --> 01:56:56,320
I might have had a curse if I can continue to just embarrass myself.

1312
01:56:58,080 --> 01:57:01,060
I'm going to drop the computer in that set. You just wait.

1313
01:57:04,260 --> 01:57:10,540
All right, thank you all, the next item is, I don't remember, say, it's condition used

1314
01:57:10,540 --> 01:57:17,460
from at 50 to at show 9, which is an amendment by the S.R. Development Company LLC.

1315
01:57:17,460 --> 01:57:19,640
We must

1316
01:57:22,140 --> 01:57:30,500
see that I had a conversation with Mr. Dean, who's a representative of the applicant.

1317
01:57:33,280 --> 01:57:34,440
Right here, Saturday.

1318
01:57:35,220 --> 01:57:41,340
Anyway, we call the indicate that he would not be present for this meeting,

1319
01:57:42,400 --> 01:57:48,260
and also provide a number of seven, although, as a least, some of his staff are here.

1320
01:57:48,260 --> 01:57:50,060
We have any questions.

1321
01:57:54,140 --> 01:57:56,520
Public hearing on this item is open.

1322
01:57:58,200 --> 01:58:05,420
And we've heard the staff report on this previously.

1323
01:58:05,780 --> 01:58:09,980
Does anyone any member wish to hear it again?

1324
01:58:16,610 --> 01:58:17,590
And I'll hear anyone.

1325
01:58:18,570 --> 01:58:18,750
All right.

1326
01:58:19,490 --> 01:58:23,310
Then without a general way, the staff report on this item.

1327
01:58:29,230 --> 01:58:34,250
We do not have any email comments that this time the public phone lines are now open for those

1328
01:58:34,250 --> 01:58:37,470
wishing to speak on the public hearing for CUP-109.

1329
01:58:38,050 --> 01:58:42,030
Any callers wanting to comment, please press star 6 now, state your name, and the wait until you

1330
01:58:42,030 --> 01:58:45,010
are called upon, speakers are limited to three minutes each,

1331
01:58:48,320 --> 01:58:50,300
like we have any callers.

1332
01:58:51,360 --> 01:58:51,580
All right.

1333
01:58:51,740 --> 01:58:53,040
Thank you.

1334
01:58:54,200 --> 01:58:55,140
Comments for members?

1335
01:58:57,260 --> 01:58:59,800
Yeah, this is Commissioner Tufts.

1336
01:59:01,000 --> 01:59:06,980
This is a large space, I mean, specifically where are they going to place all of these batteries?

1337
01:59:09,000 --> 01:59:10,500
So if you look at the stuff?

1338
01:59:12,980 --> 01:59:13,940
Oh, you're on mute.

1339
01:59:14,120 --> 01:59:14,880
There you go.

1340
01:59:15,900 --> 01:59:18,980
Yeah, I'm having operational errors today.

1341
01:59:19,860 --> 01:59:26,400
So if you look at the site plan, all of the batteries are going here behind the

1342
01:59:26,400 --> 01:59:33,440
station at the bottom. Most of the sites that you see that's really large is

1343
01:59:33,440 --> 01:59:38,840
already built out with solar panels. We're talking about a five-acre site within the

1344
01:59:38,840 --> 01:59:40,380
352 acre development.

1345
01:59:43,850 --> 01:59:50,650
Now with that where those batteries are, I guess my

1346
01:59:50,650 --> 01:59:55,230
thought is where it's located, if I believe that I saw right on the map there, the

1347
01:59:56,770 --> 01:59:59,970
school is, you know, I'm here.

1348
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:11,320
Early downwind from that location, I'm not sure if these batteries, one off gas, two in the event of any sort of fire, what kind of hazard would that prevent?

1349
02:00:11,320 --> 02:00:18,360
So, please don't ask, yes, Dr. Elementary School is two miles north.

1350
02:00:19,100 --> 02:00:25,160
The batteries are contained within what looks like a cargo container, within those cargo

1351
02:00:25,160 --> 02:00:30,200
containers that's temperature controlled, and they would have appropriate fire suppression

1352
02:00:30,200 --> 02:00:33,660
to deal with any issues that happen within the container itself.

1353
02:00:34,660 --> 02:00:40,720
Okay, so they're going to have a self-contained, uh, quite a, all of a better, for contained

1354
02:00:40,720 --> 02:00:44,780
within, within the, the cargo container type unit.

1355
02:00:46,140 --> 02:00:49,100
And what is the storage capacity of these batteries?

1356
02:00:50,900 --> 02:00:51,580
We know.

1357
02:00:52,760 --> 02:00:56,620
I don't know what the storage capacity of an individual battery is.

1358
02:00:56,880 --> 02:01:02,480
I believe this development as a whole is 100 megawatts, what is the battery storage?

1359
02:01:03,760 --> 02:01:07,580
Okay, and as the applicant's representative can correct me if I'm wrong.

1360
02:01:11,370 --> 02:01:11,730
Okay, Jonathan.

1361
02:01:12,610 --> 02:01:13,430
Thank you.

1362
02:01:14,290 --> 02:01:14,530
All right.

1363
02:01:14,590 --> 02:01:15,070
Thank you.

1364
02:01:15,310 --> 02:01:15,990
Answer my questions.

1365
02:01:20,480 --> 02:01:20,560
All right.

1366
02:01:20,820 --> 02:01:21,500
That's it.

1367
02:01:21,660 --> 02:01:22,500
And what else?

1368
02:01:24,440 --> 02:01:25,280
All right, then.

1369
02:01:27,930 --> 02:01:29,210
It would be appropriate.

1370
02:01:29,270 --> 02:01:31,650
Then the calls of public hearing without.

1371
02:01:32,170 --> 02:01:33,350
Objection and consideration.

1372
02:01:35,330 --> 02:01:35,830
You know.

1373
02:01:38,780 --> 02:01:39,320
I moved it.

1374
02:01:39,620 --> 02:01:45,300
I moved it.

1375
02:01:45,300 --> 02:01:49,980
and I see to allow for construction and operation of the battery storage facility on the

1376
02:01:49,980 --> 02:01:58,320
subject property in Southeast Orner of Avenue, J6 and 100th West and the RR 2.5 zone at

1377
02:01:58,320 --> 02:02:03,120
a dock and the attendant to the initial study and mitigated negative debt to the approved

1378
02:02:03,120 --> 02:02:05,400
on October 9th, 2015.

1379
02:02:05,400 --> 02:02:07,660
I'll start with that.

1380
02:02:08,200 --> 02:02:09,400
Thank you.

1381
02:02:10,340 --> 02:02:12,020
Any further from members?

1382
02:02:19,850 --> 02:02:21,330
Missionary Tufts.

1383
02:02:21,570 --> 02:02:21,850
Yes.

1384
02:02:22,510 --> 02:02:23,250
Missionary Paris.

1385
02:02:24,250 --> 02:02:24,670
Yes.

1386
02:02:25,610 --> 02:02:26,490
Commissioner Moore.

1387
02:02:28,310 --> 02:02:28,430
Yes.

1388
02:02:29,510 --> 02:02:30,330
Commissioner Harvey.

1389
02:02:36,810 --> 02:02:37,350
Commissioner Harvey.

1390
02:02:41,920 --> 02:02:42,780
Commissioner Cook.

1391
02:02:43,780 --> 02:02:43,960
Yes.

1392
02:02:45,800 --> 02:02:46,700
Vice-Church Smith.

1393
02:02:47,400 --> 02:02:47,440
Yes.

1394
02:02:48,440 --> 02:02:49,560
Chairman of those.

1395
02:02:50,080 --> 02:02:50,280
Yes.

1396
02:02:52,540 --> 02:02:58,480
Motion passes, six, zero, and I'll get Commissioner Harvey's vote.

1397
02:03:00,390 --> 02:03:04,170
I figured near, I don't know if she may not prefer to pass

1398
02:03:07,880 --> 02:03:08,600
it six out.

1399
02:03:08,780 --> 02:03:17,880
Okay, the next item is conditional use permits, 17 or four, and then the same applicant has power and development for LLC.

1400
02:03:17,880 --> 02:03:21,720
We've been for the same purpose,

1401
02:03:26,200 --> 02:03:29,980
and any email comments or speakers regarding 17-0-4.

1402
02:03:30,900 --> 02:03:32,240
We do not have any comments.

1403
02:03:33,960 --> 02:03:34,040
All right.

1404
02:03:40,800 --> 02:03:45,800
We got a staff report last time, and are the general review.

1405
02:03:45,980 --> 02:03:54,080
If anyone here to hear further staff report, or have questions on staff or the applicant.

1406
02:03:54,080 --> 02:03:54,760
Do you

1407
02:04:02,410 --> 02:04:03,130
have any questions?

1408
02:04:08,580 --> 02:04:08,600
No.

1409
02:04:09,140 --> 02:04:09,220
Okay.

1410
02:04:11,160 --> 02:04:14,060
We'll be appropriate to close the public hearing.

1411
02:04:15,100 --> 02:04:17,920
Without objection and consider a motion on this matter.

1412
02:04:18,040 --> 02:04:19,840
Well, before we do this, we have.

1413
02:04:20,300 --> 02:04:22,400
Did I ask you to put that on?

1414
02:04:22,840 --> 02:04:23,180
Follow it.

1415
02:04:24,580 --> 02:04:24,900
Sorry.

1416
02:04:26,160 --> 02:04:26,260
What?

1417
02:04:26,260 --> 02:04:30,120
At this time, put phone lines doing out open for those wishing to speak on the public hearing

1418
02:04:30,120 --> 02:04:31,740
for CUP 1704.

1419
02:04:31,920 --> 02:04:33,160
Any colors wanting to comment?

1420
02:04:33,420 --> 02:04:34,400
Please press star six.

1421
02:04:34,400 --> 02:04:39,520
state your name and then wait until they are called upon, speakers are limited three minutes each.

1422
02:04:39,940 --> 02:04:42,860
And it does not look like the amount of heat callers.

1423
02:04:43,040 --> 02:04:48,700
No callers are. Thank you very much. So, there will consider a motion on 17 or four.

1424
02:04:50,420 --> 02:04:59,400
Move to adopt resolution 2015 approval for the amendment to

1425
02:04:59,400 --> 02:04:59,960
the game dead.

1426
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:11,680
A4A, 17-des, B, a 04B, and 17-des, 04B to allow for construction operation of the big sky substation and two

1427
02:05:11,680 --> 02:05:20,520
better storage facilities. In the RR, that's 2.5 zone and adapting the initial study, mitigation, negative

1428
02:05:20,520 --> 02:05:23,600
Declaration approved on December 18, 2017.

1429
02:05:24,860 --> 02:05:25,520
Thank you.

1430
02:05:26,660 --> 02:05:27,520
I wasn't.

1431
02:05:28,960 --> 02:05:29,360
Did I miss you?

1432
02:05:30,720 --> 02:05:31,600
Yes.

1433
02:05:32,660 --> 02:05:33,020
Yes.

1434
02:05:33,360 --> 02:05:33,800
Thank you.

1435
02:05:36,990 --> 02:05:37,010
Thank you.

1436
02:05:37,010 --> 02:05:37,890
Any further discussion?

1437
02:05:39,830 --> 02:05:40,970
Another please call the roll.

1438
02:05:41,810 --> 02:05:42,750
Commissioner Tufts.

1439
02:05:43,630 --> 02:05:43,970
Yes.

1440
02:05:44,510 --> 02:05:45,210
Commissioner Paris.

1441
02:05:46,150 --> 02:05:46,510
Yes.

1442
02:05:47,050 --> 02:05:47,830
Commissioner More.

1443
02:05:49,510 --> 02:05:49,810
Yes.

1444
02:05:49,810 --> 02:05:51,910
Commissioner Harvey.

1445
02:05:59,270 --> 02:06:00,550
Commissioner Harvey.

1446
02:06:03,880 --> 02:06:11,760
Yes. Okay. Commissioner Cook. Yes. Vice-Chairsmith. Yes.

1447
02:06:12,460 --> 02:06:18,500
Chairman Bose. Yes. Motion passes 70. All right. Thank you.

1448
02:06:19,520 --> 02:06:24,140
Okay. It comes to comments from this slide.

1449
02:06:25,020 --> 02:06:26,680
Do you have anything to share with us?

1450
02:06:31,460 --> 02:06:32,340
No, I do not.

1451
02:06:32,340 --> 02:06:34,700
All right, thank you.

1452
02:06:37,580 --> 02:06:42,220
Mishr, does anyone have any, I don't know if I'd like to share it?

1453
02:06:45,230 --> 02:06:49,850
Paul, I think I had to be back in a regular meeting in that month.

1454
02:06:51,710 --> 02:06:54,210
See one another and hear out with them clearly.

1455
02:06:57,430 --> 02:06:57,850
Very good.

1456
02:06:59,110 --> 02:07:01,110
Any public business from the four?

1457
02:07:01,370 --> 02:07:06,240
We would have requested for non-agendized items,

1458
02:07:06,460 --> 02:07:08,060
so I'm hoping for assistance from the four.

1459
02:07:09,820 --> 02:07:11,500
Do we have any email comments?

1460
02:07:12,000 --> 02:07:13,600
If you do not have any email comments,

1461
02:07:15,080 --> 02:07:15,960
about audio.

1462
02:07:17,400 --> 02:07:19,700
At this time, the public phone lines are now open for those

1463
02:07:19,700 --> 02:07:21,800
wishing to speak on public business from the floor,

1464
02:07:21,940 --> 02:07:22,960
non-agendized items.

1465
02:07:23,100 --> 02:07:24,440
Any callers wanting to comment,

1466
02:07:24,720 --> 02:07:25,880
please press star six now,

1467
02:07:26,000 --> 02:07:26,460
state your name,

1468
02:07:26,500 --> 02:07:28,000
and then wait until you're a public one.

1469
02:07:29,160 --> 02:07:31,080
And it does not look like they have any callers.

1470
02:07:32,580 --> 02:07:33,600
Sorry, thank you.

1471
02:07:36,690 --> 02:07:39,310
All right, they're nothing further than

1472
02:07:39,830 --> 02:07:41,570
the meeting will stand adjourned

1473
02:07:41,570 --> 02:07:50,870
or a special meeting of July 13, 2020 and 430 PM, it indicates on the announcement that it

1474
02:07:50,870 --> 02:07:58,550
will be a virtual meeting for some of the government's executive order and 2920 of

1475
02:07:58,550 --> 02:08:02,270
our society can change, and if it does change, you'll be notified.

1476
02:08:03,270 --> 02:08:08,850
Thank you all for your participation tonight, particularly staff who are the lengthy meeting

1477
02:08:08,850 --> 02:08:12,470
with a lot of information, but appreciate it guys in the world.

1478
02:08:13,390 --> 02:08:17,030
These say guys in the world is not appropriate, men and women.

1479
02:08:17,390 --> 02:08:22,810
Men and women and others.

1480
02:08:23,090 --> 02:08:24,970
But I don't know.

1481
02:08:25,070 --> 02:08:26,870
Anyway, the part least we asked seconded,

1482
02:08:26,910 --> 02:08:28,270
thank you so much, staff.

1483
02:08:28,990 --> 02:08:29,090
Yeah.

1484
02:08:29,810 --> 02:08:30,470
You're very welcome.

1485
02:08:31,870 --> 02:08:32,750
Thanks very much.

1486
02:08:33,210 --> 02:08:33,450
All right.

1487
02:08:35,450 --> 02:08:36,370
Have a good evening, folks.

1488
02:08:37,470 --> 02:08:37,870
You too.

1489
02:08:37,990 --> 02:08:38,630
Have a good one.

1490
02:08:39,790 --> 02:08:40,770
Take care, I'm just.