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[0:01] So for the record, we'll call the meeting toward it again. The regular meeting of this commission has been conducted virtually
[0:10] for some of the government or in 29 dashed 20 because this is a little telephonic meeting, almost will be taken by a roll call.
[0:20] The evening commissioner Paris then offered you the invocation as well as the point in the
[0:31] Mr. Barres.
[0:39] Sorry I had to unmute.
[0:43] Okay.
[0:46] Okay. Okay. Okay. You were about to be taking
[0:48] this as far as you go as time alone and maybe you continue to protect those sectors as I
[0:56] in your way is continue to approach. Please guide our city as we continue to protect those that we serve.
[1:10] We all stand,
[1:21] but the allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the
[1:26] Republic, for which it stands, one nation, under God, under the visible liberty, I'm just
[1:33] this for all.
[1:39] Thank you.
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[1:47] Thank you.
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[1:47] Thank you.
[1:48] Thank you.
[1:50] Thank you.
[1:56] Thank you.
[2:00] Thank you.
[2:02] I'm sorry.
[2:03] Commissioner Harris,
[2:10] Commissioner Moore,
[2:17] he said he was on the call,
[2:22] but I guess he's not.
[2:24] Commissioner Harvey, President.
[2:27] Commissioner Cook, hasn't, by Sheriff Smith.
[2:33] Here, Chairman Bose.
[2:41] Thank you.
[2:45] Did you say that Commissioner Moore was on a phone call?
[2:50] He was on this phone call,
[2:52] I haven't heard from him all text him now.
[2:57] Oh, he said he's right then, he just texted me.
[3:03] Right, thank you.
[3:06] Did you have any announcements from this winter?
[3:08] Yes.
[3:09] Colors wishing to speak on the public hearing portion of the meeting
[3:12] will be unmuted once we've reached that portion of the agenda.
[3:16] Thank you.
[3:17] Thank you.
[3:23] Public business from the floor on the agenda side.
[3:26] I'm in accordance with the governor's order.
[3:28] In 29 and 20, the public may have served its telephonic meeting by listening to the live broadcast on local channel,
[3:37] able channel 28 for live streaming on the city's website.
[3:44] The public may electronically participate if they provide their comments to our prior,
[3:51] and those later than to our prior to the regular meeting.
[3:54] We also have the ability to dial in and that information is published on the city's website.
[4:04] Do we have any email comments or speakers regarding any public business from the floor?
[4:12] We do not have any email comments. At this time, the public phone lines are now open for those wishing to speak on public business from the floor agenda items.
[4:20] Any callers wanting to comment, please press star 6 now, state your name and then wait until you are called upon.
[4:31] This not look like we have any public speakers.
[4:34] All right, thank you.
[4:49] So it says on my agenda that before we move on, email comments must be checked before any action can be taken.
[4:56] I mean each agenda.
[4:59] Or call.
[5:00] That's also be read for each commissioner to state their vote on each item. Colors will be able to provide comments on the public hearing items on, as they're as we address them.
[5:15] Please do not interrupt or talk over other speakers in Chairman or other commissioner.
[5:23] Those can fail to adhere to these roles, who will be muted and or removed from the call.
[5:31] We have a many problem with that in the past, so I don't expect any now.
[5:37] For the record, we have received correspondence including
[5:43] I'm contested lettering on item 4, 6 and 7, we've also received present location maps identifying
[5:52] where these proposed action items are located in the city.
[5:58] We've received a list of known individuals who either apply or have communicated with us.
[6:06] And we've received a modification list of, since our last meeting, indicating some changes in staff report.
[6:17] We also received today the site plan on either of the four of the revised site plan on.
[6:30] Yes.
[6:35] So on any comments from commissioners?
[6:40] No.
[6:40] All right, thank you.
[6:44] So, the first action item is the approval of our minutes of the regular meeting of May 18, 2020.
[6:54] So, do we have any email comments or any comments on this item this winter?
[7:02] We do not have any email comments.
[7:04] All right, thank you.
[7:06] So, may I have a motion please?
[7:10] All make a motion that we accept and approve the minutes from our regular meeting of May 18th, 2020.
[7:18] I will second a motion.
[7:20] Thank you.
[7:21] Thank you.
[7:25] Any further discussion?
[7:28] Please call the roll.
[7:30] Commissioner Tufts.
[7:33] Yes.
[7:34] Commissioner Paris.
[7:36] Yes.
[7:37] Commissioner Moore.
[7:44] Commissioner Harvey.
[7:45] Yes.
[7:47] Commissioner Cook.
[7:48] Yes, Vice Chair Smith? Yes. Chairman votes? Yes. Motion passes 7-0. Commissioner Moore just texted me his vote.
[8:06] We're still trying to figure out how he can unmute himself.
[8:12] He's listening. Yes, he is.
[8:24] I forgot to mention that this is a special meeting.
[8:28] Our regular meeting lies Monday.
[8:31] It was continued for this day because we had challenges with the telepathy portion of the meeting
[8:40] where we had one of the, uh, the team role was, uh, an operational or your concern about
[8:48] folks not being able to access the need to be able to
[8:51] be able to wish to offer testimony comments or whatever.
[9:01] So all the, for the next items, all of these agenda items are public
[9:06] hearing.
[9:09] We opened all the public hearings on June 15th and continued them
[9:14] until today.
[9:16] So, the first item is number two, Senate Bill 743, the city of Lancaster, is the applicant, and as I mentioned, the public hearing is open.
[9:35] Do you remember?
[9:42] We have a few of us presenting, but we'll go ahead and get going.
[9:46] Danielle, can you please give me permission to screen share?
[9:53] Can you just second?
[10:02] Okay, I think you should be good to go now.
[10:06] Yes, thank you.
[10:10] Unfortunately, it's the wrong year here.
[10:16] Exit out of
[10:23] that.
[10:29] With me, we got to figure out how to bring up the correct screen here.
[10:39] Thanks, though.
[10:43] There we go. Can you guys see that?
[10:48] Yes. Everybody can see the PowerPoint presentation, okay?
[10:51] Okay.
[10:55] Good. Well, with that, we'll go ahead and you're going to use the minor technical difficulty there, first time presenting up through WebEx.
[11:04] Good evening commissioners. Tonight, the project team for the transportation analysis updates will be presenting on our transportation analysis updates and how this will bring us the compliance with SB Senate Bill 743.
[11:19] Our team tonight includes myself to release Nebula, the city engineer, and we have Matt
[11:25] Simon's, the city traffic engineer.
[11:27] We also have Mikko Hoyt, and Sarah Brandenberg from fear of beers.
[11:32] Fear of beers was the consulting firm that we hired to do this project.
[11:36] We specifically picked them because they have an expertise in this type of traffic transportation
[11:41] modeling.
[11:42] They've got extensive experience throughout the state modeling for different agencies to be
[11:48] compliance with SB 743, specifically, a couple of notable jurisdictions that are working with
[11:54] our LA County and the City of San Torito, which gives them that North County experience
[12:01] so that they've modeled other North County agencies and have a handle on what the
[12:07] model should look like. So during our presentation tonight, I'm going to give you a brief
[12:12] introduction on what Senate Bill 743 is then turn it over to Niko and Sarah to discuss
[12:18] the model a little bit more detail. Last map will run through some recent examples of development
[12:26] projects which hopefully give you some insight on how this will apply, what that will
[12:30] look like, and then last, we'll just have some Q&A. Before we really get into the bulk of the
[12:39] presentation, I'd first like to thank you guys for two weeks ago, during the engineering
[12:44] review, you guys asked a really good question, so we went back to the drawing board with
[12:48] presentation, try to update it, include a little more information on specifically the model and
[12:55] some real-time examples. So that hopefully we can address those questions that you brought up.
[13:01] Also, I think before we kick off, it's important to note that this is really not anything new
[13:07] for Lancaster. When we adopted our Master Planet Complete Streets in December 2017,
[13:14] It really started the ball on this.
[13:17] We started to go away from level of service.
[13:19] It updated our general plan so that inside the core, we were looking at other metrics,
[13:26] not just level of service.
[13:28] We're really caring about the walking, the biking, the long-term maintenance liabilities
[13:32] that these roads give us, and that's what the master plan did.
[13:36] Unfortunately, it didn't really put a framework for a defined metric on how you determine
[13:42] And those impacts were as this really does.
[13:46] So this isn't really anything new for us.
[13:48] It just really gives us a really solid model
[13:52] for how we'll determine impacts moving forward.
[14:02] So at Senate Bill 743,
[14:04] Senate Bill 743 was signed into law September 2013.
[14:09] The primary purpose was to eliminate level of service
[14:13] as the metric to determine secret impacts.
[14:17] The law actually directed the governor's office of planning and research
[14:21] referred to as OPR later in this presentation to update the
[14:26] SQL guidelines to include performance criteria.
[14:31] So they went to work, OPR did, they did some research,
[14:34] and they came up with the vehicle miles travel metric.
[14:38] They updated SQL guidelines, submitted that to the state's
[14:41] Natural Resources Agency in December of 2018 and the Natural Resources Agency has been certified those updates in December of 2018.
[14:54] The law did mandate that as of July 1, 2020.
[15:00] Lead agency, such as the City of Lancaster, had to go away from level of service and utilize the PMT metric.
[15:10] There have been several court cases since the law passed. All of them have upheld SB 743, and specifically they have upheld PMT as a metric, as the metric to the term, and seek what impacts.
[15:24] So the state's main purpose is for adopting Senate Bill 743 where one to reduce greenhouse gas is two to
[15:33] encourage in field development and three to improve public health through active transportation.
[15:39] And the reason I mentioned the state's primary goals is because they really line up with the city of Lancaster's goals.
[15:47] If you look in Lancaster, we have adopted our master plan of complete streets, master plan of safe routes to school.
[15:54] and our massive kind of trails and bikeways,
[15:57] all of these plans prioritize active transportation projects
[16:01] or design guidelines for our streets.
[16:05] So prioritizing other users,
[16:07] not just the driver, the prioritize the pedestrians,
[16:12] the bicyclists, we're looking at long-term maintenance,
[16:16] cost of our roadways, trying to bring that down.
[16:20] So, though that goal, the active transportation goal that the state set is also very is in line with the city of Lancaster's both.
[16:30] The other thing we've done recently is in 2019 the city adopted the stir initiative, strategic technology, innovation and resilience,
[16:40] the vision for the future of right-caster, and in that document identified several guiding principles.
[16:48] The first one I'd like to highlight is generating value from within the core.
[16:53] So we set a goal to focus on in-field development.
[16:57] Well, that's also a goal of Senate Bill 743.
[17:00] So this, the implementation of these transportation updates helps us meet that goal.
[17:05] It's specifically when when when he go insert a share of the model with you and macles over a couple of examples
[17:11] I hope you guys can see that the way that we've selected our DMT baseline
[17:16] It actually is beneficial to development within city limits in city of Lancaster and it really helps
[17:24] the infill development in the animal valley
[17:28] the second
[17:29] gotting principles, building for resilience and application at application.
[17:35] So in this third document, we recognize that economies change, you know, the auto-mallows
[17:40] a great source of sales tax revenue now, but it may not be in 20 or 30 years.
[17:46] So we've got it constantly looking at where is the future, and what changes can we make
[17:51] to ensure we're economically viable in that future as a city.
[17:56] The example, another example of this is our master plan of complete street.
[18:01] It really looked at our streets.
[18:03] How do we make them safer?
[18:04] How do we make them for all users?
[18:06] How do we create a sense of place?
[18:08] Kind of like a boulevard?
[18:11] And how do we meet future road demands for all users?
[18:18] So I hope that kind of gives you our frames as
[18:20] as this state's Senate bill is really in line with a lot of city, a lane-taster goals as well.
[18:29] With that, I'll turn the presentation over to Nico and Sarah, and they can present on and give
[18:33] you a little more deep dive into the EMT model.
[18:39] Thanks, Trilace.
[18:41] Thanks for having us, everyone.
[18:43] It's great to be here, of course, so we could be with you in person, but if it's
[18:48] virtually is a close second.
[18:50] Again, Amiko and my colleague Sarah's on the line,
[18:54] she's going to help out with Q&A.
[19:01] The key change with ST743 is that V-Lyle's traveled
[19:06] or V-M-T is replacing level of service
[19:09] as the measure of traffic impact in the context of seek what.
[19:14] So as you're probably familiar,
[19:16] level of service or L-O-S is essentially a measure
[19:20] of either the delay or the congestion that drivers experience both at intersections, and then
[19:27] sometimes also along individual, sorry, individual, weight segments. And typically what we do
[19:33] is we look at the incremental increase in delay or the increase in congestion that can be attributed
[19:39] to a development project. And that is the measure of traffic impacts from an environmental perspective,
[19:47] the major limitation of LOS is that it measures the impact of development to drivers
[19:53] and to the experience of driving instead of measuring the impact of driving itself on the environment.
[20:00] Bmt on the other hand takes, you know, just like LOS, it starts with trip generation or the total number of trips that we can expect to be generated by a project, and it uses that to estimate the vehicle miles traveled that are, you know, anticipated from that project or could be attributed to it.
[20:20] So the focus with SB 743 is on reducing the NT, either by getting people to drive less or by getting them to drive shorter distances.
[20:31] So if mitigations are required in a situation where you have a VMT impact, those mitigations are going to more effectively reduce the collective transportation impact on the surrounding environment and particularly on air quality than the current level of service practice does.
[20:50] Next slide please.
[20:55] What is VMT and how is it how can we? VMT is calculated pretty simply.
[21:01] It's just multiplying the total number of trips by the length of each trip.
[21:06] So to take the example that we have on this slide here, if you had one car for example,
[21:12] traveling one mile that's equal to one vehicle mile travel, one VMT,
[21:17] where as if you have four cars that are each traveling 10 miles,
[21:22] that equates to,
[21:26] you know, typically when we look at the M.T.
[21:29] in the context of a development project,
[21:32] we usually express it as an efficiency metric.
[21:36] So we look at it on a per capita basis or a per employee basis,
[21:40] as opposed to just reporting the raw V.M.T.
[21:44] that's going to be generated by a project
[21:46] because using an efficiency metric allows us to better compare.
[21:51] So we can look at the M.T. on a per capita basis, for example, for a project and compare that to the M.T. per capita for the city as a whole, or the county as a whole.
[22:03] And we can get a meaningful comparison that way versus just looking at the wrong number.
[22:09] So to calculate the M.T. we use the SAC regional travel demand model.
[22:14] And on the next slide, I'm going to get into exactly why we use the tag model, but basically the model allows us to look at equal trips that either start or end within the city or whatever geographic region we're analyzing.
[22:29] And we can estimate both the number of trips and the length of those trips.
[22:33] It's important to note that, you know, when we're using the model to estimate the M.T.
[22:39] Tricks that pass through the region that we're analyzing don't count towards that region's V.M.T.
[22:46] So, you know, T is the city as an example if we have a trip that's starting outside of the city.
[22:52] Travels through the city to get where it's going and then ends outside of the city.
[22:57] As long as that trip, you know, didn't make any stops within the city itself,
[23:02] That trip is not going to count towards the city's average VMT,
[23:06] whereas if we had a trip that either started within the city and ended outside of the city boundary or vice versa,
[23:14] that would count towards the VMT.
[23:17] So just important to make that distinction.
[23:21] Next slide, please.
[23:25] So why this gag model versus some other tool.
[23:29] The gag model is the best tool that we have available for evaluating the
[23:34] because the model area for the Skag model covers six counties.
[23:39] So that allows us to develop the MTSMids
[23:42] for multiple different geographies that are going to be consistent with each other
[23:47] because they're coming from the same model.
[23:50] So we could develop the MTSMids for the entire six county area.
[23:55] We could take one county within it.
[23:58] We could look at a planning area within the county
[24:00] or individual cities and whatever estimates we produce are going to be consistent with one another.
[24:08] When we're looking at, you know, VMT at the city levels, specifically the Skag Model is the most
[24:13] effective method for accounting for the length of trips that leave the city boundary.
[24:19] And that's particularly important for commute trips because we know based on census data and
[24:24] based on what the model is telling us that a lot of people who live in the city don't work there.
[24:30] meeting somewhere else to get to work, and a lot of people who are employed within the city
[24:35] don't live there. So we need an accurate way of accounting for the length of their trips,
[24:40] and this gag model pretty effectively allows us to do that. So to get into a little bit more detail,
[24:49] what this gag model is essentially doing is it takes the entire six-county region and it breaks it up
[24:56] into what's called transportation analysis don't.
[24:59] And...
[25:00] In this map, at the bottom of the slide here, you can see the TAC's, is the shorthand for that. You can see the city of Lancaster's TAC's. There's 164 of them in total. And what these zones essentially do is they represent areas of more or less homogenous travel behavior. So, when we look at the outputs that we get from the model, the B&T estimates that we get are presented at the level of the TAC.
[25:30] And as I was explaining before, you know, one of the advantages of using this tag model is that it breaks up the entire six-county region into these discrete TAsEs.
[25:41] And then, you know, when we wanted to develop our efficiency metrics and we need to express our VMT, you know, on a per capita basis or a per employee basis, we can drill down to the TAsEs level and find out, you know, what the population or what the employment is within any specific TAsEs.
[25:59] and develop our DMT estimates that way and essentially what we do when we want to aggregate
[26:06] up and we want to look at DMT on the city level or the county level whatever level it
[26:12] is we basically just identify the TACs that fall within that boundary and we aggregate those
[26:19] together to create RS.
[26:23] Next slide please.
[26:26] So why the analog valley planning area? Taking a step back.
[26:32] So, in the context of SB 743 and measuring transportation impacts using the M.T. instead of L.O.S.
[26:40] One of the decisions that a city has to make is what the threshold of significance is going to be.
[26:47] And as Treleys was mentioning, you know, O.P.R. has developed the state guidelines around SB 743 and recommendations for city
[27:02] below the quote unquote regional baseline, but it's ultimately up to each city to define
[27:09] what the region is, what region are you comparing yourself to. So as we were beginning this process
[27:15] of identifying what is an appropriate significant threshold for Lancaster, we looked at the baseline
[27:22] the MTS limits for a few different regions. We looked at the entire Skag area, all six counties,
[27:29] We looked at Los Angeles County, the Yellow Valley Planning Area, which is the LA County Planning
[27:36] Area that Plan Caster is located in, and then, of course, we looked at the city wide average.
[27:43] And what we found is that, you know, the average C&T for the city is typically higher in the average
[27:49] for both the Stang region and for LA County.
[27:53] So if we used either one of those geographies to set the significance threshold, we would effectively
[27:59] be making it less attractive to develop and line faster because it would make it more likely
[28:05] that a project would have a significant transportation impact.
[28:09] But on the other hand, the average DMT within the city is in almost all cases lower than
[28:15] the average DMT for the antelope valley planning area.
[28:19] So if we set the significant threshold off of that, we go 15% below antelope valley or effectively
[28:27] incentivizing development and landcaster versus some other part of the
[28:31] envelope valley where the average DMT estimates might very well
[28:36] the higher than the region.
[28:41] Next slide please.
[28:46] Transportation characteristics.
[28:48] At the outset of the process we took a look at the city's commute
[28:52] characteristics from the census both to you know better understand the
[28:56] local context but then also to compare what the census says to what the
[29:01] model says to check for consistency. And as you can see in the slide here, 75% of people
[29:08] who live in Lancaster work outside of the city. And about two thirds of people who work in
[29:14] the city live somewhere else in terms of community distance, 60% of Lancaster residents travel
[29:21] more than 25 miles to get to work. And that's compared to 40% of people who work in Lancaster,
[29:27] which tells us that on average people who live in Lancaster have a long commute, then people who work there, but don't necessarily live there, and that's very consistent with what the model is showing us.
[29:42] Understanding commute patterns is pretty important in the context of SB 743, and this VMT analysis, because it has a direct effect on the types of VMT efficiency metrics that we use when we're evaluating development projects.
[29:58] and there's basically...
[30:00] Three types of efficiency metrics that we use. The first is total VMT per service population.
[30:08] And essentially what that is, as we look at the total VMT within a region, and a region can be anything as small as a single TAsE all the way up to the entire
[30:21] We take that total VMT within the region that we're analyzing and we divide it by the sum of the number of employees who work within that region and the number of residents who live within that region.
[30:35] And this particular metric is useful typically in two cases.
[30:39] The first is when we're looking at a really large development project that is likely to exert a really big influence on just travel patterns throughout the city.
[30:52] You know, things that could potentially redistribute trips, redistribute VMT, we want to look at the change in total VMT in that context and not just one component of the VMT.
[31:04] The other kind of use case where this efficiency metric makes some sense to use is when we're evaluating something like a general plan or a specific plan that's proposing major land use cases.
[31:19] And that's basically the same story for proposing land use changes that are going to alter the distribution of trips in the region.
[31:26] And we want to look at the change in total VMT.
[31:31] The next metric, excuse me, is home-based VMT per capita.
[31:36] And essentially what this is, it's all of VMT where one of the trip ends is somebody's
[31:43] residents divided by the number of residents within the region that you're looking at.
[31:49] And this is the metric that we typically use when we're evaluating residential projects.
[31:55] So it doesn't matter if that single family, residential,
[31:57] and multi-family residential, this is the pertinent metric.
[32:02] And this graphic, on the top of the screen here,
[32:05] kind of explains what trip types count towards this efficiency metric.
[32:14] So focusing in on these red arrows,
[32:17] let's take the hypothetical example of person X.
[32:20] They wake up, they go to the gas station,
[32:23] from the gas station, they go to the store,
[32:25] they buy something to eat from there, and they go back home,
[32:29] then they go get a cup of coffee, from the coffee shop,
[32:32] they go to work, and then at the end of the day,
[32:35] they travel from their workplace back home.
[32:38] So the red arrows show the trip components
[32:42] where the person's home is one of the trip ends.
[32:46] So all the trips of this person made over the course of the day,
[32:49] these are the ones that count towards home-based VMT
[32:53] last efficiency metric that we look at is home-based work, the MT for employee. This one is
[33:00] pertinent for office projects, retail projects, anything that has a really prominent employment
[33:07] component. And basically what this is, is it's all the VMT that links a person's residence with
[33:15] a workplace divided by the number of employees in the zone that you're looking at. So, you know,
[33:21] sample of the trips that a person makes in the course of their day.
[33:27] The only one in this example that would count towards that home base work,
[33:30] the NT per employee, is the trip from work back home at the end of the day.
[33:38] Next slide,
[33:49] the BMT threshold.
[33:52] In this slide, we're showing the 2020 BMT estimates for the city as a whole,
[33:57] the Antelope Valley Planning Area, and then three different sub-arrients of the city
[34:02] to show how those estimates compare to one another.
[34:05] So the urban core sub-area that we have here is defined as the area bordered by
[34:10] 30-3 west, 20-3 east, Avenue L and Avenue L. And then the east sub-area is everything
[34:17] outside of that that's east of state route 14. And then conversely the west sub-area is
[34:23] everything outside of the urban core that's west of state route 14. So since we're using the
[34:29] of valley to set the significant thresholds, any city-based EMT metric that's shown in this table
[34:36] if it's lower than the corresponding analog valley metric, it's shown in green, and then any city-based
[34:42] metric that's higher is shown in red, as you can see, there's only one pretty much across the board,
[34:49] the city's averages are lower in the analog valley, which is why we recommend it at that
[34:54] defined as the region for the purposes of setting the significance threshold.
[35:02] New year's home base work BNT for employee in that western sub-area and what's likely going on there is that that sub-area is much less densely developed and any other part of the city and many parts of the animal valley is a whole.
[35:19] So, because of that, the distance between destinations is greater and people who are working on that side of town probably have a longer commute distance than people who are working somewhere else.
[35:30] But across the board, just looking at the city averages,
[35:34] those are all lower than the corresponding
[35:36] analog valley area for all three of these efficiency metrics.
[35:41] So the number of places in the city where you're
[35:45] likely to see the NT impacts is low because of that.
[35:50] And with that, I will kick it off to that.
[35:53] Thank you.
[35:58] Well, thank you very much, Nico.
[35:59] I appreciate that.
[36:01] You mean care members, our commission members, excuse me, and Chairman Bose.
[36:08] Now my job here is to kind of guide you through how this information, how the city will use this information to analyze new development projects that are presented throughout the throughout the city itself.
[36:22] What we will be doing is we'll be using now adopting a two-tier analysis system.
[36:29] The first tier will involve using the DMT analysis so that we can meet
[36:36] SQL guidelines and we can environmentally clear the projects.
[36:40] The second tier, we will continue to use the LOS based cities,
[36:44] there are cities guidelines, and what this will be looking for, we will be doing safety and operational improvements
[36:52] using that particular analysis methodology. As we are not able to identify a significant impact using LOS,
[37:00] we will be looking for things where a particular development may create an operational or a safety issue in a particular intersection
[37:08] in or along a specific railway segment.
[37:13] Now stepping back to VMT just to give you a little bit better idea of, oh, I'm sorry, I forgot to.
[37:22] Here's me, I forgot to advance to slide, there we go.
[37:25] Just to give you a little bit better idea on how the VMT and the screening process will be applied.
[37:32] The following are six different criteria that were developed by OPR to screen out certain types
[37:42] of projects that would no longer have to be subject to VMT analysis if they meet these
[37:50] one of these criteria. Essentially, it's project size. This particular criteria screams out
[37:56] relatively small projects that have less than a hundred and ten vehicle trips per day.
[38:02] Also projects that are locally serving retail, which would be gas stations, small markets.
[38:09] Things like those lines, small businesses, even mixed use developments, would fall into this criteria.
[38:16] The third one is a project that's located in a low VMT area, which I'll get into that.
[38:22] I'll show you a little bit of a, I'll be applied once we move on to the next couple of slides.
[38:27] But what this is essentially is, if the area of the city where the project is proposed already is below the VMT baseline,
[38:36] then the project could be screened out because it essentially meets the city's general plan,
[38:42] and it is in agreement with the type of developments that are expected to occur in that area.
[38:47] So there's not expected to be any substantial growth above
[38:50] and beyond the average of the NTE.
[38:54] The fourth criterion is, if it's in proximity
[38:58] to a transatline, primarily a transatline that
[39:02] has 15 minute frequencies or less, currently in land
[39:07] faster, none of the bus, none of the ABTA's routes
[39:11] meet that criterion, but under the strategic mobility plan
[39:16] routes one and twelve are expected to meet that criterion and again there's a slide a little
[39:22] bit farther into the presentation that will show the transportation priority area that
[39:27] is generated based on those particular routes. The fifth criterion is just if the project
[39:33] provides affordable housing it was then just screened out on that basis alone and the final
[39:39] criteria, and if it provides specific transportation facilities that improve or remove, say, a bottleneck or a safety issue, something along those lines, that those type of projects are excluded also from V&T analysis or any type of additional.
[39:57] line while in this position.
[40:00] Now, the next slide. This is the VNT areas based on retail, sorry, residential, where these are the different transportation analysis zones that
[40:16] Niko was talking about earlier. And essentially what this graphic shows is that the areas that are shown in blue already are 15% below the analog valley planning area average.
[40:28] So a project that is located in one of these areas
[40:33] would already screen out from the VNT analysis,
[40:37] because the surrounding environment is already 15% below the baseline
[40:41] to which it's being compared.
[40:44] The tan and yellow color means that that's
[40:48] the zone that is between 0 and 15% below the baseline average.
[40:54] And then the pink color is for analysis zones
[40:58] that are actually above the Antelope Valley planning average.
[41:01] And again, these are some of the zones that Niko
[41:03] would point it out on the extreme west side
[41:06] and on the extreme east side of the city.
[41:09] The next slide provides the same information,
[41:12] but this is for the home-based VMT trips per employee
[41:17] or for commercial users.
[41:20] Again, you can see that a vast majority of the city
[41:23] is already meets the 15% below VMT threshold
[41:27] the board is very, very close with only 0 to 15 percent, very, 0 to 15 percent below.
[41:35] So, right now, projects located in most areas in the city would not be required to conduct
[41:41] the VMT analysis or if they did, the mitigation measures that made the applied to those
[41:46] would not be overly drastic because they do not have to reduce their VMT to a significant
[41:52] degree.
[41:54] The final map that I wanted to show, this is where I was talking about the chance of
[41:59] priority zones or the chance of priority areas.
[42:03] This particular graphic shows the areas that are associated within one half mile of either
[42:10] route one or route 12 on AVTA's current schedule.
[42:15] Again, like I said before, AVTA does not really mean this, but under the proposed improvements
[42:20] for the strategic mobility plan. Once those are improvements are implemented, this would be applicable
[42:26] where any project that is developed within that particular area or within those particular areas
[42:32] would be excluded from a VMT analysis. So now to show how this actually works and how it's put
[42:40] into, oops, go back one. There we go. To show this, how this is actually used and applied to an
[42:47] will project the next several slides are example projects of projects that have been approved
[42:54] here in the city and we sent through and tested these against the VMT analysis to just show
[43:00] what the actual results would be. The first one is the mixed use. Anyway, it's a mixed use project
[43:12] that's located at the corner of Avenue K and 10th Street West.
[43:16] It's consists of 15,000 square feet of restaurant
[43:18] and 6,000 square feet of retail uses.
[43:21] As you can see in the box below the site plan,
[43:24] this project would not be screened out due to size,
[43:28] just because it is larger than the 110 daily trip threshold.
[43:33] But it would be screened out of the requirement
[43:36] for VMT analysis because it consists
[43:38] of local serving retail.
[43:40] small shops again, small offices, things on those lines.
[43:46] If this particular project were to have to do a VMT analysis,
[43:51] this is just for background information to give you a little bit more information on how VMT works.
[43:57] Based on the VMT generated by this project, when compared to the baseline VMT,
[44:03] this project would come out as 13% less than the baseline average,
[44:08] which as the city is currently considering 15% less than VMT to be the threshold for which
[44:17] a significant impact is determined to have happened. This project were therefore having significant
[44:25] traffic impact, but it would not be a very large impact because the project is 13% under
[44:34] the threshold, whereas, I'm sorry, 13% on the baseline,
[44:39] whereas the threshold is 15%.
[44:41] So they would have to make that up with the application
[44:44] of some sort of mitigation measures to reduce either
[44:47] the number of trips or the lengths of the trips
[44:50] that are occurring from and to that project.
[44:54] The second project, the second example project is...
[45:00] A multi-family project that's located over 1752 East Avenue, J4, just to the west of 23 East.
[45:12] This project consists of 264 apartments. And again, as you look at the VMP screening results,
[45:21] the project does not get screened out because it does generate more than 110 daily trips.
[45:25] It does not get screened up in the second criterion because it does not contain any local serving retail.
[45:32] The third criterion, unfortunately, this project is not located in a low VMT area.
[45:39] It's actually in an area that is the next level above, which would have been the yellow or the 10,
[45:46] which is zero to 50 percent below the threshold, but it does not meet this particular criteria.
[45:51] So the last criteria, the next criterion through which it is screened out is the fact that it would be located in a transportation priority area.
[45:59] So again, because of where it's located along Route 12, this project would not have to undergo a VMT analysis itself.
[46:10] Again, if it did, just to give you another reference going, this project would come out at 8% less than the regional baseline.
[46:20] So again, based on the state's criteria of any project that is 15% or more, it does not have a significant impact.
[46:28] This project would also be considered to have a significant traffic impact under that particular criteria if it were required to continue and conduct the VNT analysis.
[46:40] Okay. Two more projects real quick here. The third project is located at Avenue Island,
[46:46] 20 Street West. Again, this is a mini-mark or a convenience store with 12 fuel
[46:53] stations in the gas island. Again, this project is not screened out based on the total number
[47:00] of daily trips, as it generates more than the threshold, but it does need the second threshold
[47:07] of locally soldering retail again.
[47:09] So again, what would be screened out would not require any VMT analysis?
[47:14] If we look at that VMT analysis, this project actually comes in at 7% above the baseline criterion.
[47:24] So this project would require a little bit more substantial mitigation than some of the other
[47:30] projects and would be considered to have a significant transportation impact.
[47:35] And then the last project, the last example project is a residential project with
[47:42] 543 single-family homes located at 40th Street West and Avenue I.
[47:49] Again, this project is not screened out based on its overall size.
[47:53] It's also not screened out because it does not contain any local serving retail.
[47:58] But in this particular case, it would be screened out because the area in which the project is proposed
[48:03] is a low DMT area, which is already beneath the 50% baseline, and since the project is consistent
[48:10] with the other, with the long range planning that is expected in that particular zone,
[48:16] it is not considered to generate enough trips that would push that, push it above that threshold.
[48:23] So again, this project would also screen out under the VNT criteria.
[48:28] And finally, if this one word to, if we do the VMT analysis on this one, this one actually shows that it is 21% less than the VMT in that particular zone.
[48:42] So this particular project would not have a significant traffic impact because it is below the 15% criteria.
[48:50] And finally, the last slide I'll talk about here, these are just some of the mitigation strategies
[48:55] that are available for projects to help reduce the VNT impact.
[49:02] These range in terms of you can increase the density of a project or you can increase the
[49:08] diversity of a project, both of these would eliminate either the number of trips or possibly
[49:13] the distance that trips, the distance that trips are generated from the project is
[49:18] because of the mix use of uses and whatnot in the project.
[49:23] Improvements to pedestrian or bicycle network would
[49:26] is expected to reduce the number of vehicle trips
[49:29] that are generated by the project.
[49:31] Traffic calming measures can be implemented in the area.
[49:35] This encourages walking and biking.
[49:38] Encourage the last two are you can encourage telecommuting or alternative schedules
[49:42] to, again, reduce VMT by spreading it out across more of the spectrum as opposed to concentrating
[49:50] in just the peak community hours. And the last one, again, is just the commute trip
[49:56] production program where you may be able to provide the Seattle to the MetroLink state.
[50:16] We hope that that presentation did a good job at addressing your questions any about two weeks ago.
[50:26] With that staff would recommend that commission take action as identified in the agenda report.
[50:31] We don't have any horn today, so if we're here for questions if you have any.
[50:43] Thanks very much.
[50:45] I do have multiple questions on this.
[50:50] Can we go to the table three on the presentation, please?
[50:54] It was one of your slides.
[50:56] It said table three.
[50:57] It's where they down-selected the lower number that they were going to utilize.
[51:14] So we use the home base work VMT versus the total VMT per service population.
[51:28] If we were to use the higher value, which is approximately four times as much for the
[51:34] best. What results would we end up with on these, this target a 15% or what you're looking at?
[51:46] What is the advantage of using that lower number versus the higher 41.0.
[51:51] Because what we're looking at is saying, if I'm under the impression, we're looking at adopting your method here, so I know we're getting the best, I guess, best possible choice.
[52:05] So if you could help me better understand that, please.
[52:09] You want to take that one, Nikon, explain the three different metrics.
[52:15] Sure, sure, I can chime in here.
[52:17] So I think in one of the earlier slides, I was explaining the different context
[52:22] in which you would use each of these three metrics.
[52:27] So in the example, like the four case studies that were just presented,
[52:32] We're not evaluated using that total VMT for service population metric because none of those are, you know, large projects that we would expect to exert a really significant influence on travel patterns throughout the city or throughout the region.
[52:51] We specifically looked at case studies that either had a strong residential component, a strong
[52:59] retail or commercial component, or some hybrid of the two, some kind of mixed use development.
[53:06] And when we're looking at residential projects, the efficiency metric that we use to evaluate those is the home base,
[53:15] the EMT per capita, because the denominator for that one is the number of residents and
[53:22] the zone that you're looking at. So when we're proposing, you know, for example, a new
[53:29] housing development within a transportation analysis zone that's already primarily residential,
[53:36] we want to look at how the EMT is going to change with that development project. You know,
[53:42] in the context of the number of people who reside in that zone versus the home-based work
[53:49] EMT per employee metric. That's the one that we use when we're evaluating any kind of office
[53:56] or retail project that's going to increase employment in the area. And the denominator is the number
[54:03] of employees because we want to know on a per employee basis how is this development that's going
[54:09] to bring new jobs into this zone,
[54:12] going to affect the M.T. efficiency within this zone.
[54:16] So it's not necessarily a matter of choosing among these three
[54:22] to pick the one that you want to apply to the project.
[54:25] It's a matter of identifying what type of project is being
[54:29] considered here and which one of these three metrics
[54:32] is the right one to apply in that situation
[54:35] based on what's the denominator of the equation?
[54:38] Okay,
[54:42] so basically, we're going to vote to adopt one of these denominators, correct?
[54:48] It's all three of them.
[54:50] All three are going.
[54:51] You were just talking through that then.
[54:55] Exactly.
[54:56] So you're choosing...
[55:00] Basically, the threshold that we're looking at is 15% below each of these envelope value planning area metrics, and which one you apply to any given project is dependent on the type of project that's being proposed.
[55:17] So if it's a residential project, you're going to use this home based EMT per capita to analyze that.
[55:23] If it's an office project, you'll use home-based work PMT per employee, and if it's a general plan, or a specific plan, something that's going to result in really significant changes to land use, that's when you want to use the total VMT per service population.
[55:43] So it's all three, it's not one or the other.
[55:46] All right, that's what was thrown me. I was like, why are we selecting one there?
[55:51] Thank you. That chair helps me to understand it.
[55:54] So then I guess the low VMT area it used.
[56:02] Yes, looking at, sorry, I guess we would just use that low VMT.
[56:07] This is what we reviewed.
[56:09] Exactly. Yeah. So if the product is proposed and it's going to be
[56:14] located in a T-A-Z that's already 15% or more
[56:19] the relevant regional algorithm.
[56:23] Then that project can be screened out
[56:26] for the M-T analysis on the grounds of generating low VMT.
[56:32] If a project is proposed to a T-A-Z
[56:35] that is not already 15% or a local
[56:38] below that regional average,
[56:40] or any would have to conduct a more detailed
[56:42] of the MTE analysis for that project. Typically involves actually changing the land uses in the
[56:50] model and estimating on a detailed level. How many new trips is this project anticipated to
[56:59] Okay, and what is the VNT associated with that
[57:07] more sense to me?
[57:11] All right, that's all I have to
[57:25] think. Any other questions?
[57:28] Well, before we proceed, there may be some from the public, I don't know.
[57:35] You have any email comments or speakers on this, this water?
[57:41] Please do not have any email comments.
[57:44] Okay, thank you.
[57:47] Members,
[57:53] I can't see you all, I'm sorry we're going to scope this myth, do you prepare us?
[58:03] Anyone?
[58:10] I have nothing, I'm pretty clear on it.
[58:18] Mr. Moore, are you calling her number two?
[58:21] I guess I am.
[58:23] Did that type of game I needed?
[58:26] What size do you remember one?
[58:27] I did.
[58:29] Yeah, we thought we were working on it.
[58:32] All right. Thank you.
[58:40] Let's look at that.
[58:41] So a question, if it's an affordable housing project, so that would mean
[58:52] every project we've seen density housing,
[58:56] typically has some underlying funding model, which requires
[59:01] the qualification of affordable housing.
[59:05] So those projects typically would not need to threshold them, right?
[59:17] Or, but they're typically screens from further analysis,
[59:24] right?
[59:24] So
[59:29] I think the greatest state laws now that require any density housing
[59:34] project to offer adequate low and moderate income opportunities, I should say,
[59:45] or 10 minutes, right?
[59:56] But still,
[59:59] yeah.
[1:00:00] We go to the exercise, and the burden, it needs a threshold of requires a V&T analysis that
[1:00:11] that applicant is burdened with additional steps and that additional cost. It's not something
[1:00:19] that the city will provide if something that the applicant will have to engage and follow
[1:00:26] And so I could just offer others to prepare the analysis.
[1:00:31] What's that order?
[1:00:34] Why, you know, I'll pick a project.
[1:00:38] Just talk about a big box here's your first.
[1:00:44] Yeah, I could jump in here
[1:00:46] in terms of level of efforts.
[1:00:48] So it really depends on the size of a project.
[1:00:50] I think kind of a typical office residential project
[1:00:55] is under $10,000.
[1:00:57] You know, maybe in the $7,500 range, if it was a large VMT analysis you were doing for a specific plan, for example, it would probably be closer to the $15 to $20,000 range.
[1:01:16] Thank you.
[1:01:21] All right, that's all I know.
[1:01:26] All right, anyone else before we consider a month and on this item?
[1:01:32] No, all right, then,
[1:01:37] we're in the mind.
[1:01:41] We're having speed. We don't have anyone calling in on that, so you must work.
[1:01:46] At this time, the public phone lines are now open for those wishing to speak on the public hearing for
[1:01:51] SB 743. Any callers wanting to comment please press star six now state your name and then wait until you are called upon.
[1:01:58] because we're limited to agreement and speech.
[1:02:03] It does not look like we have any callers.
[1:02:07] All right, thank you very much.
[1:02:09] So then without objection, we'll close the public hearing
[1:02:11] on this matter, it's very long.
[1:02:15] I moved to motion to adopt resolution number 20.
[1:02:19] That is 0.9, recommending the city council approval.
[1:02:23] A general plan of the amendment, number 20, that is 0.9,
[1:02:26] but the amendment for the political mobility,
[1:02:28] chapter for the adoption of B, M, T,
[1:02:31] baseline the threshold as required by state by Senate bill at b 7.3.
[1:02:39] All second death.
[1:02:41] Thank you.
[1:02:45] All right.
[1:02:47] Thank you.
[1:02:50] Please call over for all this one.
[1:02:52] Commissioner Tux.
[1:02:55] Yes.
[1:02:57] Commissioner Paris.
[1:02:59] Yes.
[1:03:00] Commissioner more.
[1:03:02] Yes.
[1:03:04] Commissioner Harvey? Yes. Commissioner Cook? Yes. Vice-Chairsmith? Yes. Chairman Bows? Yes. Motion passes
[1:03:16] 7-0. All right, thank you. And Tony is thank you very much for pulling this all together
[1:03:23] and who is a mat, Nico and Sarah, participating today and giving us a thorough explanation.
[1:03:34] That's for sure.
[1:03:35] Appreciate it.
[1:03:44] All right.
[1:03:53] Once I hit this agenda figured out with all the asking for email comments and phone comments,
[1:04:06] and then I won't need a script, right?
[1:04:09] This one.
[1:04:12] Hopefully soon.
[1:04:15] Yeah.
[1:04:15] Hopefully.
[1:04:17] Maybe by Christmas, huh?
[1:04:20] Okay.
[1:04:20] The next slide is I have number three.
[1:04:22] I've mentioned earlier.
[1:04:24] The Holy Hearing is open on this matter.
[1:04:29] This is a kind of attractive math.
[1:04:31] Number 72 and three.
[1:04:34] The time extension.
[1:04:35] Um, then I'll value engineering as the applicant on behalf of the, I'll think story I believe, or the city, I'm sure.
[1:04:48] Isn't the housing authority?
[1:04:55] Yes, it's the housing authority.
[1:04:58] It is.
[1:04:59] It is.
[1:05:02] Mr. Harvey?
[1:05:08] I didn't think it was the housing authority, but it is the housing authority. I will have to
[1:05:11] recuse myself on the side of as the applicant. It's just, it actually is just the city.
[1:05:25] It was talking, I don't know.
[1:05:27] It's Mission Harvey.
[1:05:30] No, I heard it.
[1:05:32] It's Harvey.
[1:05:32] Eric, who is?
[1:05:35] What's staff number speaking?
[1:05:38] I don't know.
[1:05:39] So, I
[1:05:41] didn't hear the answer.
[1:05:44] I'm just a housing authority project or a wild, yes or no?
[1:05:49] Yes, it is.
[1:05:51] Okay, it is a housing authority project.
[1:05:53] So, it's Harvey as you're accusing.
[1:05:55] So, with that, I will, we'll, we'll use myself.
[1:05:57] I'll step out and then if Commissioner Smith can text me when I think we can come back in.
[1:06:07] That would be great.
[1:06:08] Thank you, sir.
[1:06:10] But we still have a forum with six members.
[1:06:16] Do we have any email comments or speakers on this item?
[1:06:21] I do not have any email comments.
[1:06:24] We heard a sack report on this item on our agenda review this earlier in this month.
[1:06:34] We went to Commissioner Bush to hear a further staff report.
[1:06:42] Did not have to know if the commission had more.
[1:06:47] All right.
[1:06:47] Thank you.
[1:06:47] No.
[1:06:48] All right.
[1:06:49] So we'll wait the staff report.
[1:06:52] And we've already asked if we have any email comments.
[1:06:56] You can open the public phone line in this winter.
[1:07:04] I'm curious about where Commissioner Taffs happens to be residing right now.
[1:07:12] In a Dungeon right now.
[1:07:16] I'm in a Dungeon right now.
[1:07:18] We're looking at the name of our family.
[1:07:22] It's last background like a lot more fun.
[1:07:26] Yeah, it was too much.
[1:07:27] noise and commotion, unfortunately. So that's a good problem to have, though.
[1:07:39] That's a
[1:07:42] question, thank you.
[1:07:45] All right, if you don't have any, you all have the following.
[1:07:48] Sorry.
[1:07:49] At this time, the public phone lines are now open for those wishing to speak on the public hearing
[1:07:53] for our tentative track maps, seven eight two one three.
[1:07:56] Any callers wanting to comment, please press star six.
[1:07:58] and then wait until you are called upon, speakers are limited to three minutes each and it does not look like we have any public comments.
[1:08:09] All right then, any further comments from members before I close the public hearing?
[1:08:16] So hearing none was out of objection with close public hearing on Andrew's draft.
[1:08:22] So, 8213 and consider one.
[1:08:29] I know that we adopt Revelation number 20-10 granted a two-year time extension to May
[1:08:33] 4-8, 2022 for tentative track path numbers, 7-8213 additional use permit number 17-27 for
[1:08:42] residential plan development of 167, single family lots, and 7 out of space lots.
[1:08:49] Thank you.
[1:08:49] I would like to mention more approves I'll send it to you.
[1:08:58] Mr. Perra.
[1:09:01] Thank you.
[1:09:02] All right.
[1:09:03] I remember it was excited to get back to the capital chambers.
[1:09:10] Dying.
[1:09:11] All right.
[1:09:11] Thank you.
[1:09:12] Call the roll.
[1:09:13] Thank you.
[1:09:14] Commissioner Tufts.
[1:09:17] Yes.
[1:09:18] Commissioner Perra.
[1:09:20] Yes.
[1:09:22] Commissioner Moore.
[1:09:25] Yes.
[1:09:25] Commissioner Cook? Yes. Vice-Chairsmith?
[1:09:34] Yes. Chairman Bose? Yes. Motion passes 601
[1:09:40] recused. All right, we're going to thank you. All right, the next item is,
[1:09:57] I
[1:09:57] Thank you.
[1:10:08] All right, then. I'm just swaying us presenting on that. I believe, all right. That's correct.
[1:10:16] This was it. Thank you. If I want to share the screen.
[1:10:36] Okay.
[1:10:51] That's not.
[1:10:53] All right.
[1:10:57] On one.
[1:10:59] Thank you.
[1:11:03] Okay. Now that I can't actually make this work.
[1:11:05] Chairman, Rose, the members of the commission, before you tonight is a request for a conditional
[1:11:09] use permit to allow for the construction and operation of a gas highly canopy garage and many
[1:11:15] mark with a type 20 ABC license for the sale of beer and wine and a waiver from the distance
[1:11:22] requirements. The proposed project consists of the redevelopment of the site with a gas
[1:11:27] housing canopy garage, many more and the sale of beer and wine for oxide consumption. The gas
[1:11:33] housing canopy would be located in the central portion of the project site and we consist of 12
[1:11:38] fueling stations, the fueling stations will be screened to the extent feasible by the
[1:11:42] Minimumar and Goraj buildings located along Avenue I and 20th Street West.
[1:11:48] The Minimumar and Goraj buildings would refer on the corner of fronting both Avenue I and
[1:11:51] 20th Street West. The Minimar would be approximately 2,600 square feet with its primary
[1:11:57] frontage on the Avenue I and access would be provided from the street side at the corner
[1:12:01] of the intersection and from the interior of the site. A small restaurant with limited
[1:12:06] can you would be located within the mini-mart area?
[1:12:10] Four cooler areas, totally in 128 square feet,
[1:12:13] would be provided for alcohol,
[1:12:15] three for beer, one for wine, adjacent to the mini-mart
[1:12:19] in front, the 20th street west would be a 1300 square foot
[1:12:22] garage building for auto repair.
[1:12:25] The garage auto repair facility
[1:12:27] would be open Monday through Friday
[1:12:28] for May 25, PM, closed Saturday and Sunday.
[1:12:32] The mini-mart would be open Monday through Sunday,
[1:12:35] 6am to 11pm, and alcohol sales would be at the same time as the Minimar Operations.
[1:12:43] The restaurant interior to the Minimar would be open Monday through Sunday from 10am to 10pm.
[1:12:52] A Minimar is considered to be a primary alfale alcohol beverage establishment for Section 1742
[1:12:58] to do 20 of the White House communicable code,
[1:13:02] and as such it is subject to separation
[1:13:04] distance requirements.
[1:13:06] Specifically, the section states that
[1:13:08] a new primary off-stale establishment
[1:13:10] is required to be 300 feet from residential uses
[1:13:13] or resident residentally designated properties,
[1:13:17] and 500 feet from other primary alcohol
[1:13:19] of beverages' advertisements.
[1:13:22] There are no residential uses located within the 300 feet,
[1:13:26] And there are two primary off-stale establishments
[1:13:29] the AMPM gas station in the Chevron located
[1:13:33] within the 500 feet, as such the applicant
[1:13:36] is requesting a waiver from the separation
[1:13:39] distance requirements.
[1:13:43] I'd be happy to answer any questions,
[1:13:45] but staff is recommending approval of the project
[1:13:49] with a waiver from the alcohol distance requirements.
[1:14:01] members, do you have any questions before we call on the applicant?
[1:14:07] We are just wondering for the restaurant, is that why it's calling for the alcohol
[1:14:13] labor?
[1:14:15] No, so the restaurant interior to the Minimar would not sell alcohol and you cannot
[1:14:22] drink alcohol within the Minimar location.
[1:14:26] This is typically like me, I think you've seen some of them where they have like a subway sandwich shop inside.
[1:14:34] It is abuse.
[1:14:37] Yeah, the waiver is from the two gas stations on the side of the line.
[1:14:47] All right.
[1:14:50] Yes.
[1:14:51] I have a question.
[1:14:52] Have you heard any concerns from any citizens or nearby businesses or comments at all?
[1:14:59] on the public.
[1:15:00] No.
[1:15:05] Thank you.
[1:15:08] No, no.
[1:15:10] I'm sorry.
[1:15:15] Chairman Vos.
[1:15:16] Oh, okay.
[1:15:18] But we could ask for you.
[1:15:21] Do you have something you wanted to ask?
[1:15:23] I did have a question about the hours of operation of the other two who are gas stations and minimarks there.
[1:15:32] So I actually don't have an answer for you because neither of those locations are required with.
[1:15:37] a conditional use permit as they sold out, alcohol prior to the adoption of our ordinance
[1:15:43] and their rent offered.
[1:15:46] Okay.
[1:15:48] Thank you.
[1:15:51] Anyone else?
[1:15:56] The applicants are the applicant or the representative, but wish to address that?
[1:16:05] I do know that the applicant's engineer is on the phone.
[1:16:08] They did submit an uncontested hearing letter, agreeing to help with the conditions.
[1:16:16] Oh, the applicant's engineer is here, right?
[1:16:19] Correct. Mr. Hamali is on the phone.
[1:16:23] Right. Okay.
[1:16:25] But we're going to have some questions for him.
[1:16:31] No one else has anything?
[1:16:36] I thought I have questions.
[1:16:37] I mean, I look at the parking in this and
[1:16:41] Am I seeing this right?
[1:16:42] There's only two parking spots in your thinking restaurant.
[1:16:45] Looks like five.
[1:16:47] The five.
[1:16:48] It's not necessarily a sit down restaurant.
[1:16:50] And as I described, this is like as a sandwich shop, you know,
[1:16:54] pictures of a sandwich you go, because you're already there.
[1:16:59] There are no minimum parking standards in the commercial zone.
[1:17:05] So there isn't a standard that I can force them to meet,
[1:17:08] because we don't have a minimum parking standard.
[1:17:12] And how about the landscaping on this?
[1:17:15] So, the landscaping means the required percentage after you remove the square footage of the buildings for the site, it means code.
[1:17:29] Thank you, that's all I have.
[1:17:32] Yeah, this is an MRA that's been here for almost two decades, right?
[1:17:40] That is correct.
[1:17:44] Thank you.
[1:17:57] The fourth one that was provided to us doesn't have any key notes, but there's a lot of key notes identified.
[1:18:04] So you can't make a determination of what was provided.
[1:18:12] Hold on. I can't make this. Now I can leave the back.
[1:18:26] The way.
[1:18:29] Okay.
[1:18:30] We're fine.
[1:18:39] Now let's go on to work on it.
[1:18:41] That's easy.
[1:18:44] Okay.
[1:18:45] I need to go up in the front.
[1:18:48] The reason we're looking at that decides the fact that it's a minimum requesting alcoholic beverages is also a project that has not gone to EEC so we have to look at it like an EEC project.
[1:19:08] plus there's a waiver, so we have a narrative opportunity here to divide,
[1:19:17] right?
[1:19:18] That is correct.
[1:19:23] So I can't identify what is proposed on the fourth plan because the keynotes aren't.
[1:19:33] There's no schedule of notes, so you're guessing.
[1:19:38] So the operating hours for fuel sales are 24 hours, but the mini-mire and food operation are different.
[1:19:49] That is correct.
[1:19:53] So can someone tell me how you operate?
[1:19:57] So quiet.
[1:20:00] Right off to the many more associated with the gas station does not allow people inside the
[1:20:06] many more and after a certain hour in the doors unlocked, but there is almost like a cash year window
[1:20:14] if they want to pay for cash with cash for their gas, they can submit the cash in their window
[1:20:19] and get changed back.
[1:20:21] I'll show you what that is because it's not on any of the site plan and since there's some key notes
[1:20:30] there's no way to identify the pasture window.
[1:20:35] Okay, and how Molly may be able to help was that one?
[1:20:39] That was my assumption it may be credit card only.
[1:20:43] That's fine.
[1:20:44] Why don't we ask the person who's representing the applicant to respond?
[1:20:51] Mr. Hombali, do you have an answer for that?
[1:20:59] Yes.
[1:20:59] Okay, yeah, hi, this one, not like it's right through, they could be like a batch
[1:21:14] through window, but it may be like ATM cards on the gas island, and basically we didn't
[1:21:29] the blank for, there's
[1:21:33] been a
[1:21:40] report plan.
[1:21:41] There's no key notes on our presentation,
[1:21:44] so it's a guess.
[1:21:47] So although there is a window schedule,
[1:21:50] and the window schedule does not indicate a pass through a call.
[1:21:55] If you look at the floor plan and where the capture,
[1:21:59] pay point is relationship to the gas island,
[1:22:04] There is no direct visual observation from the eight point.
[1:22:10] So my concern, one of my concerns, I have many, even one of my concerns, is how does
[1:22:16] the 24-hour operation where it requires full time and employment employees serving the operation?
[1:22:24] How does they do that if you can't see it?
[1:22:30] Do you want to answer this question?
[1:22:32] after hours the meat market is closed open it's only the gas climate and they can use the crazy
[1:22:42] cars to the gas climate but they could be an intercom option. They could use like a camera
[1:22:52] and an intercom for communication.
[1:22:59] Our requirements for a gas station many more to the
[1:23:02] people in 24-hour basis required full-time employment employees, on-site,
[1:23:09] amount of the entire operation. You don't necessarily require the interior of the space
[1:23:15] to be accessed by the potential customer, but it has precise security and general overall
[1:23:24] a good business plan. One would want to have the ability at least in my opinion to be able
[1:23:30] to observe the activities on the site, and typically
[1:23:35] your pay point is the place where you have that observation.
[1:23:40] OK, so we can add maybe like a window for visual observation.
[1:23:48] And if necessary for service, it can be like a best blow window.
[1:23:55] Well, let's just move on with the rest of it.
[1:23:58] your door is going to go to shows that you've got a double door going out to the
[1:24:03] door point on the corner of 20 of the night, right?
[1:24:09] And you also have a double door except to the other side.
[1:24:19] Yes, we do have to enter into it.
[1:24:22] And you also have a single door.
[1:24:25] You have a single door also.
[1:24:30] So you have multiple points of access, but no visual to the gas island from the faith points.
[1:24:40] Speaking of that, how many employees would you anticipate with either an enormous ship
[1:24:45] during the day for all the activities that are going on?
[1:24:49] And it could be like a free.
[1:24:53] How many?
[1:24:54] Three employees?
[1:24:56] Three.
[1:24:58] Yeah, so maybe one maybe four, but.
[1:25:02] All right, then you have five farthing stalls, one of which is a non-able body handicapped, so-called handicapped space. Where are the employees part?
[1:25:15] I can't hear the answer.
[1:25:26] Yeah, I can't hear the answer.
[1:25:30] What's the
[1:25:37] answer?
[1:25:39] More planning, more using some street
[1:25:46] fucks.
[1:25:48] that there is no street parking on 20th Street West or
[1:25:54] Avenue Y. Yeah, that's the main measure of street.
[1:26:01] We also come to the parking on the
[1:26:03] there's a penalty. That's what they're going to come on.
[1:26:07] Yeah, that's what they're going to come on.
[1:26:08] Okay, so how many employees we have now three?
[1:26:18] Okay, so if we have like two or three employees, we need to get away a little bit.
[1:26:26] You have two or three employees, but your fourth plan and activate a show of your business plan,
[1:26:34] at least I'm making an assumption that there's a business plan that indicates you have a food service,
[1:26:43] But if somebody's doing prayer, and somebody's doing sales, you also have the mini-mark
[1:26:50] activity, you also have the knot and the outer repair, but the small station would take
[1:26:59] somebody.
[1:26:59] So I'm assuming we're here, this and this is hoping you got to have a minimum of 4 people
[1:27:05] probably more.
[1:27:07] Yeah, we are going to commit to like a three or four of these, and we don't have no
[1:27:16] cooperation for them to part.
[1:27:20] Yeah, we have, if you make some arrangement for them to just try to use like minimum
[1:27:29] like to space to something,
[1:27:35] you know, we're not, we're looking at a proposal based on
[1:27:40] what you prepare for us to make a determination.
[1:27:45] So that's the reason I'm raising those issues.
[1:27:50] They're my concerns, and there can be others.
[1:27:55] You're a switch year location, and it's our policy that
[1:27:59] switch year, be located inside the building, not outside the building.
[1:28:07] Okay.
[1:28:07] And the public alone.
[1:28:10] Yeah, switch year.
[1:28:12] Yeah, we can be right now.
[1:28:13] It's not inside the building, right?
[1:28:20] It can be incorporated to be part of the empathy.
[1:28:27] It's what?
[1:28:28] It can be enclosed and then be inside the building.
[1:28:34] It can be, if we haven't owned a plan, there's no electrical room.
[1:28:40] OK, it's outside.
[1:28:45] The roof back says, where's your roof ladder?
[1:28:50] The reflada is from inside, inside the building.
[1:28:55] It's not identified on the forefront, whereas
[1:29:00] can you put the flow of land on the screen?
[1:29:08] Let's take a look.
[1:29:18] The elevation here.
[1:29:33] We have some room. We can put it inside.
[1:29:37] We
[1:29:43] have some room there between the mechanic and the minimum market area.
[1:29:51] So we have a room, we can put it inside, but it's not identified on the plan.
[1:30:01] Yeah, it went through the design and nobody mentioned that it need to be the inside, but we can go up on the inside.
[1:30:12] You have to access the room, so what were your plans? What are on the outside?
[1:30:17] There will perhaps, it can be also in one of the rooms in the auto repair area.
[1:30:25] We can have a ladder there to go to the room, so there will be inside also.
[1:30:30] I think your understanding of my point is that your application is not complete.
[1:30:38] Nor is it properly identified with the typical operational issues that when we would expect
[1:30:43] from inspect the views.
[1:30:48] On the plan, it's noted that your trashing closure is a two-spiel gate or a broad iron gate.
[1:30:57] It's not screen.
[1:31:07] It's on the side. It's on the side. It's on the side.
[1:31:09] It's on the side, man. It's all the way in the back.
[1:31:15] Let's take a look at the side.
[1:31:25] Let's look at the side, then the painting.
[1:31:30] Can you put the side line on the frame?
[1:31:33] I'm going out.
[1:31:36] Yeah, I mean, it's going to do two previous to this.
[1:31:40] What is
[1:31:53] the question closer?
[1:31:54] Can I see it?
[1:31:56] OK.
[1:31:57] And is this screen with the lengthening all around it?
[1:32:00] It has a lengthening screen all around it.
[1:32:10] I'm talking about the access point.
[1:32:14] The front gate of the transaction closer.
[1:32:20] It's shaking the gas island, scraping inside the land.
[1:32:27] So do we need the skaters from the land?
[1:32:31] The other part of the screen.
[1:32:33] Okay, but it can't be screened from the interior of the land
[1:32:36] because the interior of the land has the gate to allow waste management to access it.
[1:32:43] The size of it are screened with landscaping.
[1:32:51] Usually, they don't like the gates to be facing the three, that's why they want to be in a way from the three.
[1:33:03] We do too.
[1:33:09] So let's talk about the small station.
[1:33:15] How does it operate?
[1:33:18] How does it operate?
[1:33:24] Is there a garage door?
[1:33:28] And the cars can enter from the garage door.
[1:33:32] to the death and after that happened.
[1:33:40] So what do you do to do the vehicles pull all the way in or
[1:33:46] only partially in? Usually partially, not all the way. But we have the room so it can be
[1:34:00] That
[1:34:04] means that it will be blocking at least one parking space plus the potential walkway access
[1:34:17] In the gut, right?
[1:34:20] There are only two, there is eight foot.
[1:34:24] That's a, I mean, the ADA, it's based.
[1:34:33] If there is a car there, it's still going to leave
[1:34:38] that other places clear.
[1:34:41] So it's going to be almost very all the way inside,
[1:34:45] and then it's going to be backing up.
[1:34:50] But you just heard this.
[1:34:52] I think we all understand that it's difficult that folks that utilize this model.
[1:35:00] The Ministry of Testing Service, typically did not hold all the way into a bay as we would in a return to the
[1:35:08] garage or for loomservice to only hold partial in testing and time with usually have to be
[1:35:16] able outside of it and the other half inside. And that's typically how they operate.
[1:35:26] The way to the duty should be enough for the cars to go into the bay.
[1:35:34] In this case, I think we have our homes, so the car can go inside, and the dynamo can be further inside the building.
[1:35:51] So what services need to offer in the small, because they don't see the floor plan to that.
[1:36:00] Unless there was one, you know,
[1:36:07] there's no improvements on the floor plan that you submitted.
[1:36:11] So we have no idea what activities you're taking place in that.
[1:36:17] It's not that only.
[1:36:23] Yeah, the plan was only for a smart test.
[1:36:26] It's not like every bear garage.
[1:36:29] No, I understand that.
[1:36:32] But are you testing four-wheel drive vehicles?
[1:36:37] They're only two-wheel drive vehicles.
[1:36:44] Yeah, maybe four-wheel
[1:36:47] drive.
[1:36:47] Are you content about the fight that you've made?
[1:36:51] Not just asking a question, you know, my concerns, I haven't shared totally with you.
[1:36:58] I just wonder what the business plan is because you've got a very, very challenging
[1:37:06] site on the proposal improvements, circulation, parking,
[1:37:16] so if you're, you know, my concern
[1:37:18] And as a fear, in one or two of those days, it's occupied plus you're operating in many
[1:37:25] March, and you only have five parking spaces to which are not near the front entrance
[1:37:32] or activity,
[1:37:36] it seems challenging to me how it's going to operate efficiently and how
[1:37:48] May is for the convenience and necessity, though I'm concerned about convenience first of all.
[1:38:02] Let's move on.
[1:38:05] We asked that to provide us with a site plan indicating where the tank farm is and you
[1:38:12] find enough to provide that to us in which we got it today.
[1:38:18] So, where do
[1:38:25] the gasoline delivery vehicles, where do they park to all those fuel?
[1:38:32] If you see the road for the truck and the gas tanks, it's going to be in that road.
[1:38:45] So it will be bucked on trouble with use only and then empty the gas and then
[1:38:55] thought they're going to be.
[1:38:57] Well, either have to part, it can't part on top of it.
[1:39:02] It can't part of it.
[1:39:04] It can't part of it.
[1:39:06] They have part of it.
[1:39:07] They have part of it.
[1:39:07] They have part of it.
[1:39:07] They have part of it.
[1:39:08] They have
[1:39:12] part of it.
[1:39:14] We can connect with it.
[1:39:15] You're not familiar with it.
[1:39:17] I am.
[1:39:19] The reason I'm asking the question is the way the tank farm is located in relationship
[1:39:28] to the pump line,
[1:39:32] the delivery vehicle would have to park somewhere near the exit driveway
[1:39:41] and would block the ingress and egress from 20 to 20 during the delivery process.
[1:39:52] because you have depending on the amount of fuel and the number of
[1:40:00] You know, products that you're selling, you're even selling two or three products, right?
[1:40:06] So if it's only two, that means you have either a soundlier, a truck and trailer with four
[1:40:14] or two preventing and two for fuel.
[1:40:20] So if you put that template of those beautiful on this site plan, you will see that you're
[1:40:27] totally blocking, ingress any grids with the site from 20 during the healing of
[1:40:36] activity.
[1:40:44] I think, you know, there is going to be something like
[1:40:48] Cambory when they were not visiting.
[1:40:53] And they can maybe figure out if there is not the
[1:40:59] location and we can look at them and now they're patient, they're going to feel it better
[1:41:04] work.
[1:41:16] And they're going to feel it better, they're going to feel it better.
[1:41:20] Other rooms we can look at there.
[1:41:25] All right, you're going back to your site plans and since we're only the ER and if you were
[1:41:32] off, where is your ClarePire
[1:41:38] recent research
[1:41:43] that's led to ClarePire for the Drain?
[1:41:48] up to the time for you're proofing operation.
[1:41:54] Where's the rest room?
[1:41:55] When they're a stranger.
[1:42:03] They have different types.
[1:42:05] They have one can be under the level of the thing
[1:42:09] and they have one, they can look at them, the outside.
[1:42:14] 9% of them, it's not identified on the side one.
[1:42:20] We can, I can show it.
[1:42:21] It's going to be inside where the cooking area under the flat.
[1:42:29] You're telling me that it's only a warm kitchen.
[1:42:33] you're not cooking anything in there.
[1:42:38] We don't have to go out to business. It could be a
[1:42:41] subway it would be. We don't know.
[1:42:46] If you don't know, wait a minute, I'll take the car.
[1:42:53] Hey Jim, this is Trolley's on on those grease interceptors that we determine that requirement
[1:42:59] when we issue the building permit. Sometimes the food establishments like a subway don't require
[1:43:04] anything. If it is a restaurant that's doing more cooking a foods with grease is a grease
[1:43:11] sector will be required,
[1:43:14] and it will be part of the building permit package.
[1:43:18] I understand the point is, you know, we're trying to understand necessity and convenience,
[1:43:26] but we don't understand what's being proposed.
[1:43:30] How can we make a pyramid termination?
[1:43:35] What they need to know is, you know,
[1:43:39] I don't know how to play business or something, something, not like, and just cooking, and things like that.
[1:43:47] But at this time, we just lean with the concept that we have that room to fit it.
[1:43:54] If it's needed, but if it's not needed, we don't need to worry about
[1:44:04] sharing, we show it to anyway.
[1:44:06] Is that so terrifying for you?
[1:44:08] Can you tell us the reasons for best to grant a winner when there's already two existing
[1:44:19] gas station many marks that offer product in here, just discussed with us?
[1:44:28] Why do we should grant a waiver to allow this project to move forward when the same
[1:44:33] But these are already two operations of very, very similar uses being in that same marketplace.
[1:44:44] Because there's a major intersection and for customer to go and buy it and then cost the three, that's not feasible or that's not correct to come back.
[1:44:57] That's what we mean.
[1:45:05] Good afternoon,
[1:45:11] Mr. President. This is John Slund. The convenience portion of it is met because it's the only one that you can access kind of westbound direction. You can't access the AMP or the Chevron if you're heading westbound with a left-hand turn. It's not a allowable movement of that location without doing any harm.
[1:45:35] That's the reason we're offering a waiver, you know, what I'm here, when there's two
[1:45:42] of it like, that's the convenience portion of the waiver.
[1:45:47] The necessity portion involves a variety of factors that can be taken into consideration, including
[1:45:55] being needful for the operation of the business and, you know, other factors.
[1:46:03] Those are all identified in 1742.
[1:46:09] Okay.
[1:46:09] Folks are identified on the purple.
[1:46:12] The purple.
[1:46:14] Right?
[1:46:16] It almost seems to me that we might consider it in fact continuation of this, because there seems to be a lot of uncertainty.
[1:46:30] I concur that we might need to postpone this.
[1:46:33] We do need to have clear actions and answers before we actually vote on something.
[1:46:39] We need to know completely what we are voting on.
[1:46:42] That's only fair to the applicant, I believe.
[1:46:55] Okay.
[1:46:55] I think the major issue is the proposed plan is the parking spaces.
[1:47:02] The number is closed and I think the major issue here is to be able to provide more
[1:47:09] these pieces and make better circulation for the size so you can soak in here where the
[1:47:17] few of the pieces are as far as the particles, where the few of the particles are as far as
[1:47:23] being located on the side. We also need to propose in the plan that there's no
[1:47:30] These are cooking operations that are difficult, only three packs of food, I believe, because
[1:47:39] the area of the food is, that we are proposing if we don't fit the commercial equipment.
[1:47:46] It's only good for something like sandwiches, repets,
[1:47:53] and also, it's more unusual to
[1:47:58] We have the room to put the electric panel inside, the electric room, and the ladder for the roof.
[1:48:07] We don't see that problem with the design.
[1:48:11] So the main thing now is to propose more party spaces.
[1:48:16] And I believe that the way we went with that van is according to the city,
[1:48:23] It's important that there is no minimum parking, number, required, so that's why we propose that plan.
[1:48:31] But if this is going to be an issue, I don't see problems that we can put some more.
[1:48:37] Maybe shrink to the building and improve the circulation.
[1:48:44] Can I clarify?
[1:48:50] It's a little hard to hear you.
[1:48:52] I think it's not a very good connection.
[1:48:54] It's a little broken up.
[1:48:55] So I just want to clarify.
[1:48:58] When you mention the food, free patterns,
[1:49:01] are you saying that you're not going to have a kitchen
[1:49:05] where you're preparing food or I'm not sure.
[1:49:07] Like the way we put the slow-clank here, we are not showing like a big commercial kitchen.
[1:49:16] Something like a daily pre-packed food, something to be heated, but it wouldn't require
[1:49:22] amazing cooking because there's no room to read for them.
[1:49:29] Okay, I thought I heard, I had a very good mention something like a subway, which would be...
[1:49:35] That's an example.
[1:49:40] Okay.
[1:49:45] I work with the engineer, my name is Christine Elliott, I work with the design and
[1:49:54] resting on the side and the floor clean.
[1:50:01] I think it might be best for the applicant if we do table-less and continue it to run around in, you know, hopefully, in chambers and it will be around easier for us to be able to communicate together.
[1:50:15] And on top of that, our city planners can help put together the questions that we've been asking and hopefully we will be able to get answers to those that we convene again in July.
[1:50:28] Yeah, that's, does that sound okay?
[1:50:32] Yeah, that's fun.
[1:50:34] Okay.
[1:50:35] And I thought a little bit.
[1:50:37] But like you hear from the applicant himself.
[1:50:41] So that would be a very helpful.
[1:50:42] That's ours, yeah.
[1:50:45] Yes, if we could have the applicant present,
[1:50:47] there's rather than, I think, that we have that.
[1:50:50] That we hear that out of the problems.
[1:50:51] We seem to be having with the project.
[1:50:53] Is that okay?
[1:50:54] Is that possible?
[1:50:55] Yeah.
[1:50:57] Wonderful.
[1:50:57] Thank you.
[1:51:02] Well, there's some, um, if we're getting talking about this, um,
[1:51:13] before we move on to the motion, um, to the applicant's representatives,
[1:51:20] have anything further you'd like to add.
[1:51:26] Um, I, I believe you, you'll, you'll, uh, photograph applications.
[1:51:31] And, uh, we did just spend time and I'll go to the staff before.
[1:51:35] but don't argue with the issues and we can't do it for
[1:51:42] some of the mission and we can get a new plan for everything all those are.
[1:51:49] All right, thank you.
[1:51:51] I'm just wondering if you really have any public comments or lives?
[1:51:56] We do not have any email comments at this time the public phone lines.
[1:52:00] You're now open for those wishing to speak on the public hearing for CUP 1719.
[1:52:04] Any followers wanting to comment, please press star six next date your name and then wait until you are
[1:52:09] called upon, speakers are limited to three minutes each,
[1:52:15] and it is not look like we have
[1:52:16] any followers.
[1:52:19] All right, thank you.
[1:52:22] So, any further comments from the commission? Are you ready for emotion?
[1:52:31] I'd like to make a motion to continue.
[1:52:35] And this shall use from it, number 13-19 to the July 20th.
[1:52:46] That was my second.
[1:52:49] Mr. Perry's first, the light for it.
[1:52:52] Sure, I took that up.
[1:52:53] Yeah, yeah, sure, yeah.
[1:52:56] All right, thank you.
[1:52:58] Any further discussion?
[1:53:02] We'll call the roll.
[1:53:04] Is it your test?
[1:53:07] Yes.
[1:53:09] Mr. Perry?
[1:53:10] Yes.
[1:53:12] Mr. Moore?
[1:53:14] Yes.
[1:53:14] Missionary Harvey? Yes.
[1:53:18] Missionary Cook? Yes.
[1:53:21] Vice-Chairsmith? Yes. Chairman Bows?
[1:53:26] Yes, that would be July 22nd.
[1:53:29] Regular meeting, right?
[1:53:31] That is correct.
[1:53:33] All right, thank you.
[1:53:37] All right, then.
[1:53:38] The next item is item number five.
[1:53:41] Item number five.
[1:53:42] I'm just going to give you from 18 at 1-7, the public hearing remains open on this.
[1:53:51] If you see a correspondence on this, probably out again, turn your heads and shit.
[1:53:59] And the number of things.
[1:54:01] They're doing the exact same thing I did.
[1:54:04] I'm sorry.
[1:54:05] So,
[1:54:12] I believe Ms. Swain, the applicant is asking to have this matter continued.
[1:54:18] That is correct.
[1:54:20] Okay. Before we consider motion on that, is anyone wish to offer any comments before it.
[1:54:29] We consider motion,
[1:54:36] hearing none.
[1:54:37] And I would be in order for emotion to continue to the July meeting this one.
[1:54:45] That is correct.
[1:54:47] Thank you.
[1:54:52] I'm going to tear it off for money.
[1:55:00] We offer a motion that we continue, conditional use permit, number 18, dash 17, and move this to our July 22, 2020 regular meeting.
[1:55:12] Thank you.
[1:55:16] Anything further? Do we have any public comments on this?
[1:55:23] You're not the email comments.
[1:55:27] No email comments, anything on the phone?
[1:55:31] At this time, the public phone lines are now open
[1:55:33] for those wishing to speak on the public hearing
[1:55:36] for CUP 1817.
[1:55:38] Any callers want to comment, please,
[1:55:40] or ask our six now, state your name,
[1:55:41] and then wait until you are call the phone.
[1:55:43] Speak for your limited to three minutes.
[1:55:49] It does not look like we have any callers.
[1:55:52] All right, then we're ready for a vote.
[1:55:55] Please call the roll.
[1:55:57] Commissioner Tufts?
[1:55:59] Yes.
[1:56:00] Commissioner Paris?
[1:56:05] No.
[1:56:06] And there is meant yes.
[1:56:09] Commissioner Moore?
[1:56:14] Commissioner Harvey?
[1:56:16] Yes.
[1:56:17] Commissioner Cook?
[1:56:19] Yes.
[1:56:20] Vice-Chairsmith?
[1:56:22] Yeah.
[1:56:23] Chairman Lowe's.
[1:56:26] Motion passes to continue.
[1:56:29] 7-0.
[1:56:31] Did I hear somebody having a sandwich or something?
[1:56:34] I'm not going to, we're all starving to death and somebody's having a snack. Who was that?
[1:56:40] It wasn't me.
[1:56:42] It's my dad. He's eating.
[1:56:45] I'm not saying anything.
[1:56:48] It's both a share.
[1:56:50] I just figured it out.
[1:56:52] I might have had a curse if I can continue to just embarrass myself.
[1:56:58] I'm going to drop the computer in that set. You just wait.
[1:57:04] All right, thank you all, the next item is, I don't remember, say, it's condition used
[1:57:10] from at 50 to at show 9, which is an amendment by the S.R. Development Company LLC.
[1:57:17] We must
[1:57:22] see that I had a conversation with Mr. Dean, who's a representative of the applicant.
[1:57:33] Right here, Saturday.
[1:57:35] Anyway, we call the indicate that he would not be present for this meeting,
[1:57:42] and also provide a number of seven, although, as a least, some of his staff are here.
[1:57:48] We have any questions.
[1:57:54] Public hearing on this item is open.
[1:57:58] And we've heard the staff report on this previously.
[1:58:05] Does anyone any member wish to hear it again?
[1:58:16] And I'll hear anyone.
[1:58:18] All right.
[1:58:19] Then without a general way, the staff report on this item.
[1:58:29] We do not have any email comments that this time the public phone lines are now open for those
[1:58:34] wishing to speak on the public hearing for CUP-109.
[1:58:38] Any callers wanting to comment, please press star 6 now, state your name, and the wait until you
[1:58:42] are called upon, speakers are limited to three minutes each,
[1:58:48] like we have any callers.
[1:58:51] All right.
[1:58:51] Thank you.
[1:58:54] Comments for members?
[1:58:57] Yeah, this is Commissioner Tufts.
[1:59:01] This is a large space, I mean, specifically where are they going to place all of these batteries?
[1:59:09] So if you look at the stuff?
[1:59:12] Oh, you're on mute.
[1:59:14] There you go.
[1:59:15] Yeah, I'm having operational errors today.
[1:59:19] So if you look at the site plan, all of the batteries are going here behind the
[1:59:26] station at the bottom. Most of the sites that you see that's really large is
[1:59:33] already built out with solar panels. We're talking about a five-acre site within the
[1:59:38] 352 acre development.
[1:59:43] Now with that where those batteries are, I guess my
[1:59:50] thought is where it's located, if I believe that I saw right on the map there, the
[1:59:56] school is, you know, I'm here.
[2:00:00] Early downwind from that location, I'm not sure if these batteries, one off gas, two in the event of any sort of fire, what kind of hazard would that prevent?
[2:00:11] So, please don't ask, yes, Dr. Elementary School is two miles north.
[2:00:19] The batteries are contained within what looks like a cargo container, within those cargo
[2:00:25] containers that's temperature controlled, and they would have appropriate fire suppression
[2:00:30] to deal with any issues that happen within the container itself.
[2:00:34] Okay, so they're going to have a self-contained, uh, quite a, all of a better, for contained
[2:00:40] within, within the, the cargo container type unit.
[2:00:46] And what is the storage capacity of these batteries?
[2:00:50] We know.
[2:00:52] I don't know what the storage capacity of an individual battery is.
[2:00:56] I believe this development as a whole is 100 megawatts, what is the battery storage?
[2:01:03] Okay, and as the applicant's representative can correct me if I'm wrong.
[2:01:11] Okay, Jonathan.
[2:01:12] Thank you.
[2:01:14] All right.
[2:01:14] Thank you.
[2:01:15] Answer my questions.
[2:01:20] All right.
[2:01:20] That's it.
[2:01:21] And what else?
[2:01:24] All right, then.
[2:01:27] It would be appropriate.
[2:01:29] Then the calls of public hearing without.
[2:01:32] Objection and consideration.
[2:01:35] You know.
[2:01:38] I moved it.
[2:01:39] I moved it.
[2:01:45] and I see to allow for construction and operation of the battery storage facility on the
[2:01:49] subject property in Southeast Orner of Avenue, J6 and 100th West and the RR 2.5 zone at
[2:01:58] a dock and the attendant to the initial study and mitigated negative debt to the approved
[2:02:03] on October 9th, 2015.
[2:02:05] I'll start with that.
[2:02:08] Thank you.
[2:02:10] Any further from members?
[2:02:19] Missionary Tufts.
[2:02:21] Yes.
[2:02:22] Missionary Paris.
[2:02:24] Yes.
[2:02:25] Commissioner Moore.
[2:02:28] Yes.
[2:02:29] Commissioner Harvey.
[2:02:36] Commissioner Harvey.
[2:02:41] Commissioner Cook.
[2:02:43] Yes.
[2:02:45] Vice-Church Smith.
[2:02:47] Yes.
[2:02:48] Chairman of those.
[2:02:50] Yes.
[2:02:52] Motion passes, six, zero, and I'll get Commissioner Harvey's vote.
[2:03:00] I figured near, I don't know if she may not prefer to pass
[2:03:07] it six out.
[2:03:08] Okay, the next item is conditional use permits, 17 or four, and then the same applicant has power and development for LLC.
[2:03:17] We've been for the same purpose,
[2:03:26] and any email comments or speakers regarding 17-0-4.
[2:03:30] We do not have any comments.
[2:03:33] All right.
[2:03:40] We got a staff report last time, and are the general review.
[2:03:45] If anyone here to hear further staff report, or have questions on staff or the applicant.
[2:03:54] Do you
[2:04:02] have any questions?
[2:04:08] No.
[2:04:09] Okay.
[2:04:11] We'll be appropriate to close the public hearing.
[2:04:15] Without objection and consider a motion on this matter.
[2:04:18] Well, before we do this, we have.
[2:04:20] Did I ask you to put that on?
[2:04:22] Follow it.
[2:04:24] Sorry.
[2:04:26] What?
[2:04:26] At this time, put phone lines doing out open for those wishing to speak on the public hearing
[2:04:30] for CUP 1704.
[2:04:31] Any colors wanting to comment?
[2:04:33] Please press star six.
[2:04:34] state your name and then wait until they are called upon, speakers are limited three minutes each.
[2:04:39] And it does not look like the amount of heat callers.
[2:04:43] No callers are. Thank you very much. So, there will consider a motion on 17 or four.
[2:04:50] Move to adopt resolution 2015 approval for the amendment to
[2:04:59] the game dead.
[2:05:00] A4A, 17-des, B, a 04B, and 17-des, 04B to allow for construction operation of the big sky substation and two
[2:05:11] better storage facilities. In the RR, that's 2.5 zone and adapting the initial study, mitigation, negative
[2:05:20] Declaration approved on December 18, 2017.
[2:05:24] Thank you.
[2:05:26] I wasn't.
[2:05:28] Did I miss you?
[2:05:30] Yes.
[2:05:32] Yes.
[2:05:33] Thank you.
[2:05:36] Thank you.
[2:05:37] Any further discussion?
[2:05:39] Another please call the roll.
[2:05:41] Commissioner Tufts.
[2:05:43] Yes.
[2:05:44] Commissioner Paris.
[2:05:46] Yes.
[2:05:47] Commissioner More.
[2:05:49] Yes.
[2:05:49] Commissioner Harvey.
[2:05:59] Commissioner Harvey.
[2:06:03] Yes. Okay. Commissioner Cook. Yes. Vice-Chairsmith. Yes.
[2:06:12] Chairman Bose. Yes. Motion passes 70. All right. Thank you.
[2:06:19] Okay. It comes to comments from this slide.
[2:06:25] Do you have anything to share with us?
[2:06:31] No, I do not.
[2:06:32] All right, thank you.
[2:06:37] Mishr, does anyone have any, I don't know if I'd like to share it?
[2:06:45] Paul, I think I had to be back in a regular meeting in that month.
[2:06:51] See one another and hear out with them clearly.
[2:06:57] Very good.
[2:06:59] Any public business from the four?
[2:07:01] We would have requested for non-agendized items,
[2:07:06] so I'm hoping for assistance from the four.
[2:07:09] Do we have any email comments?
[2:07:12] If you do not have any email comments,
[2:07:15] about audio.
[2:07:17] At this time, the public phone lines are now open for those
[2:07:19] wishing to speak on public business from the floor,
[2:07:21] non-agendized items.
[2:07:23] Any callers wanting to comment,
[2:07:24] please press star six now,
[2:07:26] state your name,
[2:07:26] and then wait until you're a public one.
[2:07:29] And it does not look like they have any callers.
[2:07:32] Sorry, thank you.
[2:07:36] All right, they're nothing further than
[2:07:39] the meeting will stand adjourned
[2:07:41] or a special meeting of July 13, 2020 and 430 PM, it indicates on the announcement that it
[2:07:50] will be a virtual meeting for some of the government's executive order and 2920 of
[2:07:58] our society can change, and if it does change, you'll be notified.
[2:08:03] Thank you all for your participation tonight, particularly staff who are the lengthy meeting
[2:08:08] with a lot of information, but appreciate it guys in the world.
[2:08:13] These say guys in the world is not appropriate, men and women.
[2:08:17] Men and women and others.
[2:08:23] But I don't know.
[2:08:25] Anyway, the part least we asked seconded,
[2:08:26] thank you so much, staff.
[2:08:28] Yeah.
[2:08:29] You're very welcome.
[2:08:31] Thanks very much.
[2:08:33] All right.
[2:08:35] Have a good evening, folks.
[2:08:37] You too.
[2:08:37] Have a good one.
[2:08:39] Take care, I'm just.