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Now, a quick reminder, this meeting is

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our friend's sterling-line capture community.

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We're going to see her. Mr. Gifford is not, although he has made a clear due to a health-related issue that he wouldn't be here in person, but may or may not be on line.

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So at the record reflect, President is Jason Ellison, Steve Kerrigan, absent is Ralph Gifford. Okay. We will begin. First item on the agenda is approval of meeting minutes.

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We have meeting minutes of September 4th and July 15th.

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Second,

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those. Any discussion?

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I'm going to task you to keep an eye out for our flag-a-feet joints.

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Very

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exciting scheduled appearance, which we are thrilled to be joined today by the Mortimer family.

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And do I introduce the chief or the commissioner first and then commission?

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This is for the purpose of ratifying the promotional appointment for Patrick Mortimer to the rank of police with them.

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Commissioner, floor June's.

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If I could just start out by thanking Kate Hodges, members of the FY-24 Finance Committee in the select board,

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along with the residents of Lancaster for their support during the process of bringing back this all important intended position.

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This position sets a path forward for our department, strengthening officer accountability,

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adding opportunities for additional budgetary review and administrative oversight.

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These regulations will be increasingly important as we progress our policies towards the goal

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of departmental accreditation.

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For Patrick, this sums up 13 years of service as a full-time police officer in seven years'

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prior experience as a dispatcher.

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His reputation for excellence is only matched by his outstanding departmental dedication.

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After being appointed to full time, he quickly advanced to the detective role assisting with

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some of the largest stroke seizure cases to date.

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He was appointed to Sergeant in 2016 and has been a leader on the four to twelve ship since

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that time.

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He has proven himself as a valued asset to our department, and it is with my strongest

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recommendation that I ask the board to appoint Sergeant Warner to the rank of

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lieutenant. Thank you, Commissioner.

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This is the board. I would invite his wife, Sergeant Moore Murray,

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ask the panel for it. If once we ratify his promotion, it pleases us greatly.

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Give us a chance to say yes. Do you have any questions for the Commissioner at this time?

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No. Okay. I neither do I. It's our motion to ratify the promotion to move.

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Second that. Any discussion on the motion? No discussion. Okay. Great.

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All those in favor say I'm going to say aye.

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Mr. Allen.

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Aye.

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Mr. Carrigan, aye.

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Mr. Gifford.

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It's not present.

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Congratulations.

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We invite the town clerk to come forward.

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Why don't you do it in front of the podium?

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You can step this way.

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We're at the perfect.

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Just so that the owl gets plenty of you.

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All right.

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Here's your raise.

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Do you solemnly swear that you will bear true faith and allegiance

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to the United States of America and the Commonwealth of Massachusetts

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and we'll support the Constitution and laws thereof.

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Do you solemnly swear that you will faithfully and impartially discharge and perform all the duty and incumbent upon you as Lieutenant for the Town of the Lancaster and you will obey and be bound by such laws, rules, and regulations as are or may be from time to time and laid down for the government of Lancaster?

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And do you hereby accept the position of Lieutenant for the Town of the Lancaster?

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We have two EMTs here in case there's blood.

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I need to move anything?

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I hope you're taking your family out for a nice meal.

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The burden of the badge.

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All right, next item on the agenda, Kate, how do you want to handle it on the table?

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I'm sorry, I should have been in the office.

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Oh, this is for the early morning?

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Oh, I see, yeah.

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For this and that.

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Well, first of all, I'm going to move on to the next item.

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I do want to take a moment also to acknowledge the retirement

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of Officer Gary Henderson, who served this town for 25 years on the Lancaster Police Force.

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Although he retired from the municipal force, it's currently a public-shaped officer for

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college of paper starting today.

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This particular retirement, we're incredibly grateful for, but it makes me feel very old

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because I think I was on the board when we hired him 25 years ago, but we thank him and

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Please commissioner pass along to he and his family are thanks for his twenty five years of service.

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All right, other notices before we get on to the membership town staff who would like to speak.

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Advanced, sorry, the early voting will once again be offered and is open to the public.

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I'll remind people at the end of this meeting as well.

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The last day to register to vote in the election for November 5th is Saturday, October 26th between 9 a.m. and 5 p.m.

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early voting, which begins on Saturday, October 19, will take place on the Prescott Billion

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of the First Floor and offered starting Saturday the 19th between 9 a.m. and 3 p.m.

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The week of the 21st of October, Monday through Thursday, 8.30 a.m. to 4.30 p.m., Friday

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between 8.30 a.m. and noon, and Saturday the 26th between 9 a.m. and 5 p.m. and the week of

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the 28th Monday through Thursday between 8.30 and 4.30 p.m. and the last day to vote early

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will be Friday and November 1st between the hours 8.30 a.m. and new. All of this, I nailed

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it. I was looking at Mandy the entire time, nailed that. It helps have it written down, probably

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by you. So that's helpful. I'm sure all of this will be available online as well. But I encourage

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folks to make a plan about tomorrow is national voter registration day. Also the

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anniversary of the signing of the Constitution. Also my birthday. So all kinds

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of things but the other two things are much more important than my birthday. But

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if you have not registered about please do so. Okay next. So next item on the

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agenda is members of the town staff. I have asked myself for an opportunity to

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address the board and so I will go to whoever wishes to begin.

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Most of you know I'm the town clerk here in Lancaster but what many may not

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know is that I live here as well. Five generations of my family in fact have

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or or do you call Lancaster home. In my time I've seen overheads fail I've seen

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businesses turn away. The current administration however presents progress. With

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Kate at the helm this town has come together to support an overhead for new

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school that was desperately needed for the children in our town, rezoning to

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finally, finally allowing the economic growth opportunities in our town. Kate

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has led this town through these votes. She's empowered town staff to be seen

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and be heard. Her door is always open to both staff and residents in our town. She

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leads us openly and she leads us honestly and is always there for support when

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needed. We're lucky enough now to also have a great addition to this leadership

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with Kelly as our new assistant town administrator. Kelly and much like Kate

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leads openly and honestly and truly has the best interest of our residents in

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mind always. Under this administration we have a lean budget and a budget book

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like one-line testers I've ever seen before. At the last select board

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meaning, saddening and disappointing comments were made. The message that I took home

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was that staff is disposable, unappreciated, and now subject to unfounded

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accusations and disrespect in a public meeting. This meeting has had the most

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for a found effect on staff, possibly even greater than all the meetings during our overhead

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conversations. Some individuals came to work the next day feeling like a target had been

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placed on them, and all the hard work they do is disregarded and viewed as unimportant.

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We are a team here. When someone feels that, we all feel it. Our goals are voted down by a member

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of the board. The staff here has worked long and hard on those goals, giving great consideration

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to each and every item.

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Goals are what drive us throughout the year

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to keep us moving in the right direction.

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The only answer given as to why our goals were voted against

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was asking if we looked at the hard choices needed

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and what we can cut.

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We are currently operating on the trimmest budget possible without losing services. The underlying message received from last week's meeting is that cuts are the answer. With the lean budget, the only cuts possible are jobs. Departments don't have room to make deeper cuts and still provide the same service. So to suggest cuts, the hard choices, you're very simply suggesting we cut staffing, but at what cost and what savings for our residents. When I started working here, it was my understanding that we worked as a team with the select board.

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understanding that when I started working here it was my understanding that we

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worked as a team with the select board. Understanding that we wouldn't necessarily always

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agreed but expecting respect and civility. What I saw as we wasn't that and I believe staff

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here deserve better. The only actual example given was a complaint regarding an email about

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a cake decorating class. Implying that services like this and or staff that run these

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services are unnecessary or frivolous. Speaking from when I see firsthand

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every day and outside my window, is that those services are important to our

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community members, to our voters. The committee center is bustling every day.

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Not only seniors but residents of all ages are finding activities to be a part of

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here. When persons grieving, grievance about receiving informational emails about

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town happenings does not and should not affect the importance of the activity

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themself. Emils can be unsubscribed from or deleted without a second thought. What can't be deleted

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or dismissed is the importance these activities hold for members of our community. For some people

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attending a cake decorating class, a game of pickleball or coffee on the patio, maybe their only

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opportunity to leave their home and interact with people. The center provides a safe place for residents

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to participate in, an activity, a couple coffee with a friend, and most importantly, to seek help

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when needed. There are many citizens who are fortunate enough to not require help or services

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in terms of heating oil, food, shelter, medical care. But I'm sure I'm happy that those

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that do need the assistance have a place to turn. The services and activities run by the

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community center are something we should be proud of and absolutely make like us a better

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and more attractive place to live. In closing, we have a professional staff here doing their very best

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every day day in and day out to improve the town. I see engaging positive interactions with

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our residents every day of every week. The staff here in their work deserve better. The

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success of Lancaster truly is a success to each and every one of us.

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Be mindful of the hour. I'm sorrow. I apologize. I understand these words of power whether they're

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spoken or unspoken. They represent empathy, compassion, recognition, and they are all

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signs of good leadership. Okay, I am sorry for the statements made at the last meeting,

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questioning the potential conflict of interest. If having a friend involved in the equation

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as a standard of a conflict, then no police officer would be able to work in his or her hometown.

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I know how the comments affected myself and other staff. I can only imagine how it made

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of feel. I have never known you to be anything less than professional. I respect and value you,

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your guidance, and I believe Lancaster's future is better because of you. Kelly, I apologize

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for how the citizens comments and questions about your new role have impacted you and members of your

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team. I appreciate the partnerships you have brought to Lancaster. You continue to be a positive

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of like for Lancaster's most vulnerable residents.

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To staff, I understand how house-broken residents' concerns

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over inflation, taxes, and anticipated financial increases

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related to the school have made many worry

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about job security and potential budget cuts.

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It is understanding how unsettling this can be

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in the absence of a plan to generate more revenue,

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tax reductions are recognized as budget cuts.

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and I'll be honest, it's scary.

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To the residents of Lancaster, as a staff member

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and fellow resident, I get it.

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I'll be blunt, taxes suck.

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The staff's only desire is to bring the highest quality

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of life to Lancaster residents within our respective

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departments, and at times that will require requests

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that have budgetary impacts.

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It is our job to ask for what we need

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so that we may succeed in our goals.

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and I do not know a single staff member that asks without justification, but we

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get it without industrial tax relief on our residents. Our residential tax

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dollars are only form of funding to the board. I'm sorry, I apologize, I

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understand. But the idea of how Lancaster treats staff and our residents starts in

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this room. Each of you are an elected voice of the community and I would ask the

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If you recognize the impact of the tone you set in every meeting, what you say and how

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you say it matters.

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I appreciate your willingness to volunteer and your time for Lancaster, and I recognize

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that we all want the best for our town, and at times we're going to disagree on the path

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forward.

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And that's okay.

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There are different ways to get to the same destination, and Lancaster's healthiest future

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depends on your voice thank you thank you

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thank you thank you and we know many

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members of your many of your colleagues around we want to speak for Jason but I

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I also echo the Chiefs, commissioners, comments, and you know, be apologizing for the tone

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that was set in the previous meeting and for the comments made.

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And I, for one, will work hard, and I think I could speak with you.

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And on this one, we will work hard together to continue to do the best job we can to leave

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the town the best, but we know how and to work with all of you.

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We are incredibly grateful to the time employees and the elected and appointed leadership who work hard each and every day

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with a singular goal of making this town a better place to live, work and raise a family.

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And we welcome anybody who is willing to be a part of that endeavor and that great cause

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and those who wish to not be a constructive part of that, we understand there will be

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a participant in our democracy because that's the way it works, but just know that there

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are those of us who will fight hard to make sure that the positive voices and the, frankly,

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the result of the positive work is what wins up in the end.

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So I agree with what you said, Mandy, that we are on a great path because we should

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and the work that you all have done to unite as a team and I'm grateful to all of you for whatever.

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No, thank you.

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All right, thank you.

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We'll now move on to public comment. Those of you unfamiliar with public comment.

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In the room, you can make a podium, you get two minutes to speak.

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If you're like us resident, also if you're online,

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I will go to you next, please throw up your digital hand and we will recognize you after that point.

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I will set the timer, I see you at the point in the right hand.

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Go.

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That would be even one minute mark.

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Sure.

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I'm Roy Reesack, 125 Harvard Road.

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Speaking as a private citizen, though occasionally I will be talking about the issues that affect

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the Finance Committee and some information that came to me because I'm on the Finance Committee,

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but I am not authorized to speak for the Finance Committee tonight, so I speak as private as this.

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I want to read the duties of the Finance Committee for our bylaws, which say that

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shall be duty of Finance Committee to investigate reports of the town and its recommendations

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and all pertinent facts relating to any articles and any awards. Subject matter of which pertains

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to the appropriation of expenditure of money, the creation of debt, or the disposition of

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down property. For this purpose, the commissional access to all books, vouchers, etc. I notice

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that tonight we have a finance committee meeting joint meeting with the select board. I notice

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that before that the select board is moving to close the ward. I ask that the select board

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not close the ward until you meet with the finance committee, because the finance committee

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may have questions, may have ions, may have issues, that may change your thoughts and

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position on a warrant article. I think the citizens of the town would ask that you wait

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until you've heard the input of the finance committee before closing the warrant.

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Anybody else?

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There's nobody else in the room. Sheila, you are up for two minutes, so you're going to meet

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yourself.

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Sheila, on the left, 2748, North 8th Street, here in Line Caster. You know, we all know

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Texas, Ohio, here in Lancaster because we don't have this

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one-select word

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no

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goals, he mentioned a conversation with a resident regarding

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the cake decorating as a waste of town resources

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because he chose not to share his true thoughts on where key things Lancaster

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could turn the budget, I guess so he must agree.

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So how does this statement get translated to the public as a financial goal?

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I hear a

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community center or a cut staff from the community center

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believe the health and human service department.

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Can you imagine our talent without a community center now?

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Maybe some of you listening can.

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However, for some residents, the Community Center is a lifeline.

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Not everyone is able to enjoy the same opportunities

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in Lancaster due to their age, health, mobility, and finances.

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Programming and events at the Community Center offer residents

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affordable outlets for their physical, social, and emotional health.

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The Community Center offers a place of the learning.

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So I asked before, are we spending too much money on the community center, the staff overpaying, are we spending too much time and money on the health and human services department, are we spending too much on public safety, how about the library, post-COVID and with current inflation, I think the staff involuntary is of my past or kept on an excellent job, and I want to thank

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you.

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There's a drama. I don't know if it's Mr. or Mrs.

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Debrao, one of the things

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committed. I noticed tonight's

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have had some applications for

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Halloween on the green, which is a

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great thing. I hope you approve that.

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I didn't notice at the bar that

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being set up runs an hour and a half

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for you on Halloween on the green

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and I didn't grow, you know,

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Senate 30 seems sufficient.

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I don't know why

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that we need to go to nine

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persons

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about people texting during board meetings.

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It seems a distraction and inappropriate.

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And the state said, you know,

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there's not much they can do about it,

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but, you know, just suggesting towards

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that putting down phones, during meetings,

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the quality of good idea,

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definitely be there for emergencies

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with people texting during meetings.

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And then the other thing I want to mention is

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I can't believe we're continuing to sue our own historical society.

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People that are trying to do good for the town, preserve our history,

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and we're wasting out of it in money, going out for these people.

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It's just ridiculous.

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And I hope other town members will speak up as well, and just stop it.

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I come to a resolution and move forward.

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Wasting our money, our tax money on lawyers is ridiculous.

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Thank you.

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Anybody else?

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Sorry.

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It's in the React thing where it was always this.

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But would you like to say something?

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Yeah.

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OK.

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I was clicking the button.

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That's what I'm going to see there.

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It's fine.

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You can go ahead.

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I'm in 1996, Grantway.

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People that are in the

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speaker for act

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very difficult.

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I don't know if there's anything that we looked into more deeply about that, I appreciate it.

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Thank you.

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Anyone else?

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Thanks, everyone.

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Next on the agenda administration budget and policy we have a few items prior to our driving

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me in the finance committee. Number one is vote to close the special town meeting warrant

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for October 7th, 2024. And then sign set warrant. And then we have before we can get, we have

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a few that I'm assuming, well, hasn't emerged as he. Okay. So.

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We're going to table two of the items that Ralph wanted us to talk about in previous meetings, but has table prior to today. So is our motion to close the special time meeting warrant for October 7, 2024? It's a good second. Any debate discussion?

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So, I don't know what sort of time frame is necessary to close the warrant, I know it is a timely matter, so I'm asking if there is an opportunity and if there's not, then we close the warrant.

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So, typically the least of my experience on a finance committee and on the board is the

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finance committee weighs in whether or not they would like to recommend positive consideration

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or negative consideration at the time meeting.

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We do the same as a board after the warrant is closed, but we open the warrant.

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People can submit things to the warrant, and then at certain point we close the warrant

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and then we then as a board, once the warrant is set, just as the finance committee has done

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time and memoriam will then on appropriate measures weigh in if they wish to

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recommend positive or negative or no action consideration for the townspeople

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of the Special Army. So it sounds like there's ample opportunity for the

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finance community to be able to get the feedback necessary.

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One of the things right now and October 7th and oftentimes, sometimes those

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decisions and sometimes even for the SLIC board, although I think the last few we've

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done in advance would be printed on the board. Sometimes those recommendations

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and terminations are made at the meeting just immediately prior to the special time meeting because members can't get together or whatever it is.

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No harm, no foul, as long as at the meeting the recommendation if there is one is made very clear.

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Perfect, thank you. Thank you.

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Also, we hope the requirement that it has to be posted five days prior to and so we're running it close in terms of at least two articles they were sent to the finance committee for comment whether or not they made it onto an agenda.

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I mean, I'm at most of the meeting, so I can't say.

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Well, we're just in the middle of a vote, so we won't.

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Oh, no.

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All was in favor.

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Hi.

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And I'm

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going to give her this.

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He was not here.

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Next, a man ran of understanding.

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I know that Ralph asked for this update.

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He had questions.

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He had earlier in the summer.

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We're also meeting about $300,000 that was mostly come as a result of the MOU that was

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negotiated from the New York Lancaster project.

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As I thought was made clear, the money came in already and I know the town administrator

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had circulated a memo to that effect early in the summer, at least to this board and I

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a number of others and so I'm again this was at the request of Mr. Giver who is not here.

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So if he's watching on the start of the line cash television the money came in a bit ago and there is a memo in your inbox that outlines and starting furthering into it.

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It's in the packet as well.

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There's some items in it that needs to be used for by this board and hopefully the finance committee in the coming months for how to utilize those dogs.

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Correct. Yes. Sounds good. Okay, so now that gets us speaking of the Finance Committee to our joint meeting with the Finance Committee.

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I wouldn't invite any members of the Finance Committee to join us up here in these fine seats.

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I see at least two of you and then some of you on the internets.

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Chair is on. I'm trying to see if there are other members on.

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I do not see. You do have a quorum now because you have tick, Emily. He is online. Yeah.

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So I yield to you, Mr. Trussle, to open your finance committee meeting at 6.31 p.m.

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I'm not going to open it.

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Is that what you're asking?

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Yes, yes.

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Yes, you should call your main door.

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So it's meeting in the corner yesterday,

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the junkyard for Latin.

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You want to buy a call room?

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Royce here, Dick.

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So you've got Emily and Roy sitting in this room

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and you're sitting in your room.

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Yes, you do everybody who's speaking in this room to try to speak at roughly this tone,

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so that people can hear on line, all right, Miss Hodges,

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Dick, can you hear Kate?

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In fairness, I was mumbling.

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In the interest of full disclosure, Dick, she was actually mumbling.

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I wasn't wondering. You did hear what you said.

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Well, I didn't really say anything.

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Nothing of something.

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OK, can everybody who is not in the room see the screen?

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And hopefully those in the room.

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Yeah, that's what.

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Can you guys write the live screen?

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OK, thank you.

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So this evening, there are several parts

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of the presentation.

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and rather than go through it the way we did in the last two years, which was sort of a marathon of we talking.

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And then if there were questions about the initial things, sometimes we had gotten so far past that that people didn't know.

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So I'd rather go through everything kind of subject matter at a time.

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So the topics that we're looking to go through tonight, a very quick initial review of the key terms and the difference between the types of capital.

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some questions and requests from the administration, myself, Kelly, and Cheryl,

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Airbnb regarding some policy and management needs that we need for the

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finance committee now that we're in a position where we have put money into

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a stabilization account and where I hope that we will continue to at least

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recommend doing so as we move forward and then the board can have a discussion about

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next steps on that if any. Then I'll go over the outlay requests and get any

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questions for outlay. Then we have members of the library, Joan Mule and

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Miss Emily Rose who are here to discuss the proposed library project which is on the

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debt plan as a placeholder, and then review other debt projects.

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Now, this is just an exercise today in letting folks know what the entire debt would be if

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we were to finance everything that we need in the upcoming five years.

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That is not to say that that is a good idea, and it is not to say that we are proposing that.

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But I think when people start talking about we need to do this, and we need to do this,

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It's helpful to at least put a price tag to it, even if it's in $2,024.

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Then we have you all can deliberate on determinations and

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discussions for certain projects, if any.

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And then the staff would be looking for direction for

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next steps, because what we have in capital helps to inform not only our budget process,

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but we're going to be going into general fund requests in the upcoming couple of weeks.

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and then any other capital related business.

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So in terms of capital, there are two types of capital plans.

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All different types of communities call them different things,

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but for art purposes we have a capital outlay plan,

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which describes projects or acquisitions

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that are in the certain criteria that are listed here

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and have an average cost that is dictated by the community.

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So, for laycaster, when we began this process about three years ago, we had our capital

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outlay at about a $10,000 average.

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It's helpful to know that the state's average for outlay is about $25,000, but the average

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of course takes into account very large cities and communities with far more robust budgets

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who can allocate $20,000 for IT, for example, within the levy.

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So we chose 10 because we thought that that meant, you know, something that was out of the ordinary,

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potentially at one time, or at the very least would have a useful life of more than five years.

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The biggest difference in capital outlay and debt is projects or acquisitions that are paid by cash.

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So again, outlay is cash capital and...

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I'm going to

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try to go out and go back.

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I'm just going to get a little bit of a big crash.

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No, that was it.

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It had me like in a different browser.

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And it's been happening all day.

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I don't know why.

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Doing this crazy use of my cell phone.

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I did reach out to the applicant for the Halloween on the green pouring license.

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And they always put in extra time at the beginning and the end for setup breakdown and cleanup.

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I just wanted to, people, real time updates on what's going on here in town government.

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And no, you're not missing anything, we're not saying anything.

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Okay, so here's the agenda slide, but I probably don't need to go back through that.

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Here's where we were.

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So okay.

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That's right.

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So, again, cash capital is outlay and then debt is clearly things that are bothered and borrowed.

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As far as debt, we have our financing threshold cards at $100,000 with a useful life of at least five years if not more.

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We right now have an internal policy that long-term debt should not exceed the life of the asset.

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But although interestingly, we're still paying for the small portion of the high school

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that is going to be demolished, so well, that is an inlay castor.

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We are in violation of that, but only for one year, so I think that needs to be revisited.

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And debt should be hopefully managed under 20 years.

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Again, large scale projects like the school that wouldn't be necessarily doable, but

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But again, those are different when they're at the district wide.

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So our ask of the finance committee and the select board is to consider creating debt policies to ensure that major projects are planned over a 20 year period.

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And that the impact to the general fund stays relatively the same.

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And of course, this is independent of the school.

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So I don't know is if we can take a position that you're not going to incur any debt for the next 30 years while the school is being paid

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But I think if we have a way to spread that out in

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Manageable payments as debt comes off. We can put others on I understand that doesn't

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Excuse me reduce anybody's taxes and so that probably wouldn't be met with great joy

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But it it tries to even it out a little bit. So if we're paying

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$500,000 in debt as something falls off, something else can come in to equal that level.

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But I think that's a policy decision that the boards need to determine.

449
00:43:18,890 --> 00:43:22,330
So I'm also looking for plans to consider for non-excluded debt.

450
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:27,590
So for short term periods, rapid debt repayment.

451
00:43:27,790 --> 00:43:34,710
So for example, we take out a loan and we say that we're going to do a 15-year loan, but

452
00:43:34,710 --> 00:43:39,310
we want to pre-pay it such that we're taking money from stabilization and

453
00:43:39,310 --> 00:43:43,910
pre-paying it over five years so that the last payments are much smaller.

454
00:43:44,130 --> 00:43:48,510
That will help us take on a few more projects, again not multi-million dollar

455
00:43:48,510 --> 00:43:51,690
projects, but projects like similar to what the library is going to be

456
00:43:51,690 --> 00:43:56,810
discussing. We need threshold for free cash transfers, so one of the things that

457
00:43:56,810 --> 00:44:01,010
I had suggested last year and we did start talking about it at the finance

458
00:44:01,010 --> 00:44:07,070
community level is some kind of general policy and, again, these are subjective policies

459
00:44:07,070 --> 00:44:12,130
that, of course, the boards can decide not to go by if there's extenuating circumstances.

460
00:44:12,930 --> 00:44:17,350
But for example, if we get our free cash balance certified and it's somewhere between 3%

461
00:44:17,350 --> 00:44:22,370
to 5% of our overall operating budget, it would be a best practice to take some portion

462
00:44:22,370 --> 00:44:24,570
of that and put it into a capital stabilization.

463
00:44:25,130 --> 00:44:29,110
It yields more interest and it also is able to sort of spend down the debt.

464
00:44:29,110 --> 00:44:33,730
But that would be very much in keeping with having a rapid debt repayment where we're

465
00:44:33,730 --> 00:44:37,490
just paying it from some type of stabilization rather than the tax revenues.

466
00:44:38,290 --> 00:44:41,150
And then a plan to consider for outside living limits.

467
00:44:41,370 --> 00:44:47,550
So what kind of percentage is the town willing to take on, again, outside of the school, but

468
00:44:47,550 --> 00:44:51,910
just generally, how much of a percentage of the debt do we want to incur?

469
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:56,230
It can't be zero, but it certainly shouldn't be 50% because we can't afford to make those

470
00:44:56,230 --> 00:44:56,530
payments.

471
00:44:56,530 --> 00:44:59,870
So somewhere in the middle is the sweet spot and I think it yeah

472
00:45:00,300 --> 00:45:28,100
We have a policy decision for the boards. We also would like a policy to show an impact on property tax, a requirement that we have to show the impact on property taxes before the vote is made. And, well, I know that that's been good practice, and we've tried very hard to do it. There's been times where that hasn't happened in the past, and I think if we have that as a must-do, people might feel more comfortable about voting for something for or against, at least they know a snapshot in time.

473
00:45:28,100 --> 00:45:38,280
And some idea about whether the debt should be always general obligation, or whether there's a few others, and what committee oversees enterprise debt.

474
00:45:38,820 --> 00:45:55,880
This is coming to the forefront because the water department who I'm hopeful that Scott is still on here is asking for a pretty considerable amount of debt, which understandably they're going to pay for from the enterprise account, but in the interest of flow disclosure,

475
00:45:56,800 --> 00:46:03,100
We have been questioning whether the water department has the capacity to pay the premiums on the amount of debt

476
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:11,760
This many years out and you'll see that a little bit later. So who oversees that is that just the board of public works that brings that forward to town meeting

477
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:19,780
Which has been in the past or is there some integration that not can be I don't know if it can be required because they're a separately elected board

478
00:46:19,780 --> 00:46:24,080
But you know highly encouraged or something at the finance and flood board level

479
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:28,720
So we're looking at our total debt picture because regardless of where we're paying

480
00:46:28,720 --> 00:46:35,400
the premiums from, it impacts our bond rating and it also impacts our cash stability.

481
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:41,840
So I think that those are important pieces as we try to enter into year three of this

482
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:42,680
budget process.

483
00:46:43,500 --> 00:46:47,820
So as promised, I'm going to be quiet now, except for now it won't move forward.

484
00:46:48,060 --> 00:46:49,020
So I don't even know.

485
00:46:49,360 --> 00:46:49,520
Do

486
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:53,780
you have that fun?

487
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:54,780
I think so.

488
00:46:56,680 --> 00:46:57,780
Thank you so much.

489
00:46:57,780 --> 00:47:02,180
So it is too much that I love questions.

490
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,460
I think it was great for this portion.

491
00:47:06,120 --> 00:47:08,060
Mr. Trussle, do you have any questions?

492
00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:09,760
Or does your committee have any questions?

493
00:47:11,100 --> 00:47:13,080
I'll ask about committee members.

494
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,040
I do not have any questions.

495
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:19,520
I do not have any questions.

496
00:47:21,590 --> 00:47:23,430
Just maybe a quick comment and a question.

497
00:47:25,370 --> 00:47:25,950
Yes.

498
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:29,370
Dick, I do have a question and a comment first.

499
00:47:29,370 --> 00:47:33,250
First of all, thank you very much for laying this out.

500
00:47:33,450 --> 00:47:41,290
It would be helpful because of the rapid way in which you could speak if you could give us a hard copy of this.

501
00:47:41,470 --> 00:47:44,810
Absolutely, and I actually have a memo to go along with it.

502
00:47:45,230 --> 00:47:46,510
I just didn't want to spoil the fun.

503
00:47:48,710 --> 00:47:49,410
Shocking news.

504
00:47:50,150 --> 00:47:56,310
I guess I would agree with many of your comments in terms of the needs for policies here.

505
00:47:56,310 --> 00:48:14,170
I would say that relative to the question about the enterprise groups, I understand and correct me if I'm wrong, that if an enterprise organization connected with the town in some way fails to pay its debt obligations.

506
00:48:15,070 --> 00:48:18,910
The town is then responsible for those debt obligations, correct?

507
00:48:20,310 --> 00:48:40,850
Okay, given that, I would say that the finance committee on the select board do have the responsibility and indeed the requirement from our taxpayers to oversee that and make good judgments and vote, yes, we recommend or no, we do not recommend because it could have significant impact on us.

508
00:48:40,850 --> 00:48:45,930
So I would answer that question that way, given your answer to my question.

509
00:48:46,770 --> 00:48:46,890
Great.

510
00:48:47,350 --> 00:48:47,430
No.

511
00:48:50,670 --> 00:48:51,490
I'm answer yourself.

512
00:48:51,890 --> 00:48:55,870
Who has thought it was that we expressed it before?

513
00:49:11,230 --> 00:49:11,630
Nick.

514
00:49:12,690 --> 00:49:12,830
Ah.

515
00:49:26,640 --> 00:49:33,700
The reference to, like, a policy about transferring into stabilization when free cash is at a percentage?

516
00:49:37,870 --> 00:49:38,470
The

517
00:49:48,230 --> 00:49:55,190
question was, was that about a policy, a particular policy, a recommendation to create a particular policy?

518
00:49:56,770 --> 00:49:59,730
about creating thresholds for stabilization funds, etc.

519
00:50:00,390 --> 00:50:02,990
Or is that a particular project that you thought

520
00:50:02,990 --> 00:50:04,670
we didn't have the resources now?

521
00:50:07,500 --> 00:50:08,980
Still can't get it, I'm sorry.

522
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:09,800
All right.

523
00:50:09,940 --> 00:50:11,440
I can't do it, I should have,

524
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,240
that we're dealing with, that's all.

525
00:50:37,320 --> 00:50:38,880
Before we get to resignations.

526
00:50:39,620 --> 00:50:39,880
Thank you.

527
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,620
So, first of all, if you resigned right now,

528
00:50:43,940 --> 00:50:45,920
you wouldn't have a forum and then we'd be in a real.

529
00:50:46,260 --> 00:50:47,420
We could vote the other meeting.

530
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:47,740
Right.

531
00:50:47,740 --> 00:50:50,240
Yeah, yeah, if they'd have to keep the meeting going forever

532
00:50:50,240 --> 00:50:55,980
Can we just pause for one second while we try to troubleshoot? We sure can we're gonna we're gonna try to troubleshoot

533
00:50:57,620 --> 00:50:58,100
This

534
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:01,920
Circumstance

535
00:51:09,860 --> 00:51:16,480
Well because you're you're in a closed loop with them on the computer so we're relying on a microphone that's

536
00:51:16,480 --> 00:51:27,430
that's hopefully not we just moved into closer to us well can you hear me

537
00:51:32,420 --> 00:51:39,080
can you hear me okay yeah can you hear me now

538
00:51:48,330 --> 00:51:50,350
okay

539
00:51:52,460 --> 00:51:53,600
complete

540
00:51:56,230 --> 00:51:57,250
fit right here

541
00:51:57,250 --> 00:52:02,710
please ask your clarifying question of this question the question dick was I was

542
00:52:02,710 --> 00:52:08,730
I was wondering if when you said that it didn't allow enough flexibility, if you were referencing

543
00:52:09,970 --> 00:52:17,090
my question about developing a policy whereby if our free cash is a certain percentage

544
00:52:17,090 --> 00:52:18,930
that we would allocate some stabilization.

545
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:39,780
I'm going to ask if Jason has any comments and then we can yeah so so real real quick. I think I agree with Dick

546
00:53:39,780 --> 00:53:52,780
But I want to say that like policy is not law and I think of policy as guidelines and there may be situations for any policy that we need to make an intelligent decision.

547
00:53:53,260 --> 00:54:08,220
So I'm all for the policies and the guidelines and then we got to go be leaders after that point. So did I agree with you? I'm more worried about not doing anything and kind of being in just some sort of circular.

548
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:34,300
I would suggest that relative to the policies, always a good thing to do is to put into the policy, what board, what person, what elevation level can override this policy or food exceptions.

549
00:54:34,700 --> 00:54:39,920
So I think that's an important criteria to put them in there and Dick, I think it will help with the issues you're bringing up.

550
00:54:42,320 --> 00:54:44,960
So, Mike, sorry Dick, go ahead.

551
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:48,700
I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

552
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:21,120
Yeah, those are all really good questions.

553
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,420
We'll have Katie answer them and then if we can move on to end

554
00:55:26,940 --> 00:55:34,540
this portion of the meeting with asking for draft policies to be written up for us to consider and for us to hold.

555
00:55:34,540 --> 00:55:39,040
I think it's a help, first of all, the process of writing the draft policies, I think, is going to be helpful.

556
00:55:40,580 --> 00:55:43,320
I would be shocked if there weren't already drafts somewhere in the world.

557
00:55:44,660 --> 00:55:54,880
And so I don't think it's, I don't suspect it'll take very long for us to see copies in advance of another joint meeting where we can really maybe even focus solely on these questions.

558
00:55:54,880 --> 00:56:02,520
So I think there's a lot of good nuance in there that's important for us to cover in both the flags that you and Roy have raised.

559
00:56:09,240 --> 00:56:15,600
So I'm going to answer your question and then we'll move on to get each board to vote

560
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:19,040
to authorize Kate to draft some policies and get back to us.

561
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:27,800
Yeah, so the quick answer to the question, Dick, is that any transfer from the stabilization

562
00:56:27,800 --> 00:56:30,780
for any purpose requires a town meeting vote?

563
00:56:30,780 --> 00:56:37,880
And so what will happen is that we're essentially going to be having a town meeting vote a whole year ahead of time

564
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:39,900
Give or take

565
00:56:40,640 --> 00:56:42,940
Before we need to spend it and then

566
00:56:43,500 --> 00:56:48,280
Whatever is not spent we can either transfer back

567
00:56:49,540 --> 00:56:52,600
Or you know, you could red line it and put it into

568
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:59,720
Another budgetary category, but but you are right that it doesn't allow the flexibility because of the town meeting

569
00:56:59,720 --> 00:57:06,140
But it's not like it's going to be taken out necessarily in one fiscal year use the next month and then just sit around floating.

570
00:57:06,420 --> 00:57:10,560
It all remains part of the general fund until we move it back for the accounting principles.

571
00:57:10,860 --> 00:57:20,400
So that's sort of the short answer to it, but I understand and you are right that it does limit the ability to just have it for any other purpose.

572
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:26,080
and in my opinion that was the point right is to say we're going to take this

573
00:57:26,080 --> 00:57:31,940
free cash and use it to reduce it effectively reduces the tax rate because

574
00:57:31,940 --> 00:57:37,120
we're already allocating money to debt that we know we're going to owe. So for

575
00:57:37,120 --> 00:57:40,900
this fiscal year it would have gone up two dollars and 19 cents and now it's

576
00:57:40,900 --> 00:57:45,340
only going to go up a dollar give or take because we already have a million

577
00:57:45,340 --> 00:57:51,420
then allocated an FY26 to a $1.97 million bill.

578
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:54,900
I understand.

579
00:57:55,220 --> 00:57:55,640
Thank you.

580
00:57:56,020 --> 00:57:56,360
Thank you.

581
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:57,560
All right.

582
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:02,040
Dick, do you want to request a motion from your committee

583
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:06,180
to join the select board in tasking the Title Administrator

584
00:58:06,180 --> 00:58:09,920
to draft policies for our consideration on a future date?

585
00:58:12,350 --> 00:58:14,690
Or consideration on a future date?

586
00:58:19,530 --> 00:58:24,790
We're voting so that she knows she has the authority to draft up some policies that

587
00:58:24,790 --> 00:58:25,930
we've just talked about.

588
00:58:26,150 --> 00:58:29,950
It doesn't mean we agree to them, that drafts them and we can go look through them in

589
00:58:29,950 --> 00:58:30,350
detail.

590
00:58:30,590 --> 00:58:33,050
But these are concepts, those will be written up.

591
00:58:42,850 --> 00:58:57,870
Yes, Dick. I'll move to authorize Kate to work with the Finance Committee and with the Select Board to provide a draft of the policies, financial policies that she discussed here tonight and it needs to be determined.

592
00:59:20,910 --> 00:59:28,310
Thank you, sir. All right. It's our motion to do the same. So, Luke, second, any discussion?

593
00:59:29,230 --> 00:59:30,490
You're not always in favor.

594
00:59:34,350 --> 00:59:35,270
All right.

595
00:59:35,290 --> 00:59:35,750
Fourth and draft.

596
00:59:35,750 --> 00:59:35,990
All right.

597
00:59:36,190 --> 00:59:37,230
The board is in direct.

598
00:59:37,590 --> 00:59:38,470
There's no right now.

599
00:59:38,770 --> 00:59:39,070
No.

600
00:59:40,290 --> 00:59:41,570
We have all the things to do.

601
00:59:41,610 --> 00:59:42,370
They're the clarity.

602
00:59:42,630 --> 00:59:44,150
Go run out of the room and draft.

603
00:59:45,010 --> 00:59:46,770
All right, so we have...

604
00:59:46,770 --> 00:59:48,390
That was the...

605
00:59:48,390 --> 00:59:48,950
Part one.

606
00:59:50,110 --> 00:59:50,310
Sorry.

607
00:59:51,750 --> 00:59:52,670
Part two.

608
00:59:52,930 --> 00:59:53,930
We have to get to this here.

609
00:59:54,890 --> 00:59:57,320
So, I've got FY 26 Cavalier Quest draft.

610
00:59:57,320 --> 00:59:59,860
Craft Debt Plan, which is what we're just...

611
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:27,480
So I'm moving on to outlay now. Other capital outlay matters. Yeah, you know, there's nothing on the agenda. This is all one agenda item. Okay. So I was wondering where part two was. Okay. I made it up. Take it away. So we're going through the outlay request here. So remember, this is cash capital. That's a big sticker item right there with $898.5. But please understand that that had a recommendation of at least 250 in stabilization.

612
01:00:27,480 --> 01:00:32,280
if that is off the table, then we're down to $6.48.

613
01:00:39,250 --> 01:00:41,310
If he drops over, we're not going to have the forum.

614
01:00:41,770 --> 01:00:46,170
So one of the things we talked about last year,

615
01:00:46,850 --> 01:00:50,410
are these reoccurring expenses that, in theory,

616
01:00:50,710 --> 01:00:52,170
have been happening for years and years,

617
01:00:52,370 --> 01:00:56,930
and I will use the replacement of at least one cruiser every year.

618
01:00:58,750 --> 01:01:00,390
That has been happening,

619
01:01:00,390 --> 01:01:06,170
But I think memorializing and it's sort of an annual allocation has been helpful.

620
01:01:06,390 --> 01:01:12,530
So this is the first year that the capital plan contemplates that and sort of calls it out.

621
01:01:13,090 --> 01:01:17,490
So in terms of technology, this is for computer replacements, phone replacements,

622
01:01:17,830 --> 01:01:23,490
deadline replacements, all of the things in all of the different town buildings and organizations.

623
01:01:23,490 --> 01:01:36,030
So that is a little bit less than maybe seven computers a year, and understand that we have, you know, well over a hundred and something which are it's on the inventory plan that I gave everybody.

624
01:01:36,330 --> 01:01:38,190
How long does those computers expect to the last?

625
01:01:38,950 --> 01:01:47,390
I mean, our tech monitors say somewhere in the neighborhood of five years, but we have built it out for seven to eight.

626
01:01:47,390 --> 01:01:59,110
So we have others that have, it depends on the use, you know, I don't think so.

627
01:01:59,630 --> 01:02:02,770
So some of them have lasted a lot, if you leave them in a box, they'll last forever.

628
01:02:03,310 --> 01:02:08,310
It has not been particularly affordable to do a five-year replacement with the volume.

629
01:02:08,570 --> 01:02:12,250
That doesn't mean we can't get there when we catch up, but we have some computers.

630
01:02:12,250 --> 01:02:15,010
There's this is actually one in the library that is 13 years old.

631
01:02:16,130 --> 01:02:17,090
So congratulations.

632
01:02:17,550 --> 01:02:18,350
Is that the old one?

633
01:02:18,870 --> 01:02:20,710
Is it in the museum, part of the museum?

634
01:02:21,750 --> 01:02:23,510
In the Civil War Museum, or what?

635
01:02:24,410 --> 01:02:29,310
So in terms of records retention, this is for birth records, death records, things like

636
01:02:29,310 --> 01:02:29,550
that.

637
01:02:29,750 --> 01:02:36,130
And for a very long time, there was shoe boxes or pieces of paper and I think digitizing things

638
01:02:36,130 --> 01:02:36,750
has been helpful.

639
01:02:36,750 --> 01:02:42,830
We've started that Mandy Cannon has been great in doing that over the past couple of years

640
01:02:42,830 --> 01:02:48,830
and so that's to continue with that. Planning studies, obviously these are for peer reviews for things that the

641
01:02:49,470 --> 01:02:55,310
Planning Board or the Zoning Board of Appeals wants to do that's independent of what the applicant is going to ask for.

642
01:02:55,470 --> 01:03:02,070
So these are questions about setbacks, conservation, those kind of things. So these are the things that projects are coming forward.

643
01:03:02,070 --> 01:03:09,270
And they want to get somebody's opinion outside of the required peer review from the developer.

644
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:11,130
This is the ability to do that.

645
01:03:11,450 --> 01:03:13,490
Human services, $10,000 for printing.

646
01:03:13,930 --> 01:03:17,250
They want to send a newsletter and we'd really like to start doing that.

647
01:03:17,310 --> 01:03:20,950
That was what we did started this year, 5,000 for disability commission.

648
01:03:21,350 --> 01:03:25,050
The last couple of years, they used it for the resource guide.

649
01:03:25,530 --> 01:03:28,290
That's for that commission to decide not a great deal of money, but

650
01:03:28,290 --> 01:03:30,070
it's something that they can do impactfully.

651
01:03:30,070 --> 01:03:35,190
historical commission $10,000 for, you know, their use,

652
01:03:35,350 --> 01:03:39,270
either programmatic, you know, general maintenance, grant matches.

653
01:03:39,930 --> 01:03:44,190
So I think the historical commission will talk a little bit more about that

654
01:03:44,190 --> 01:03:48,090
at their general meetings, 25,000 for facilities in general.

655
01:03:48,270 --> 01:03:51,270
So that's all facilities, a window, breaks.

656
01:03:51,590 --> 01:03:54,410
One of the solar panels, well, actually, that would be enterprise.

657
01:03:54,570 --> 01:03:55,730
But, you know, anything happens.

658
01:03:55,730 --> 01:04:02,330
That sprinkler head gets damaged, anything like that, key, new keys, facilities, parks and

659
01:04:02,330 --> 01:04:06,950
ADA, there's money in there and then the police, I'm sorry, the public safety equipment is for

660
01:04:07,310 --> 01:04:11,810
the systematic replacement of the self-contained breathing apparatus for the fire and EMTs

661
01:04:12,130 --> 01:04:16,270
and then obviously the police vehicle is last, which is something that's been happening for years.

662
01:04:16,770 --> 01:04:18,170
And that's about $200,000.

663
01:04:18,810 --> 01:04:22,590
The nice thing about the annual allocation is that if we don't,

664
01:04:24,910 --> 01:04:26,430
I'm sorry, was someone saying something?

665
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:33,080
Dick, but you didn't, I'm sorry.

666
01:04:33,460 --> 01:04:35,680
Okay, so if we don't use the entirety,

667
01:04:36,020 --> 01:04:37,680
it will just remain in free cash.

668
01:04:38,260 --> 01:04:40,160
So there's a sort of a pay as you go.

669
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:41,520
It wouldn't be any more than this,

670
01:04:41,680 --> 01:04:45,300
but depending on if we have a relatively good year facilities

671
01:04:45,300 --> 01:04:47,960
wise and things don't break, then we might not use this.

672
01:04:48,340 --> 01:04:48,600
What

673
01:05:11,840 --> 01:05:12,360
in this?

674
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:13,900
Oh, in this.

675
01:05:14,020 --> 01:05:16,760
This is a systematic replacement every year.

676
01:05:16,980 --> 01:05:19,920
We take the oldest cruiser and replace it with a new one.

677
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:26,480
So you would see the way I built it out in the overall plan is I increased it by about a thousand every year.

678
01:05:26,740 --> 01:05:27,560
Just I

679
01:05:54,120 --> 01:06:05,800
think I'm hearing who say is that is that you believe that when we started shifting the fleet to electric that you would be able to extend their replacement time by a year.

680
01:06:06,360 --> 01:06:08,200
Is that what you're saying exactly

681
01:06:12,870 --> 01:06:19,230
so the one and the ones we're buying are replacing older ones that are internal combustion engine vehicles.

682
01:06:19,870 --> 01:06:42,210
They may be the case, Dick, and I'm just speaking, I'm looking at the committee, so he'll tell me when I'm wrong, that when we have an all-electric fleet, that we will be able to stretch out the replacement time frame longer, but while we're still dealing with replacing some internal combustion engine vehicles, they still have to be replaced earlier, even if we do end up replacing them with an electric vehicle.

683
01:07:12,540 --> 01:07:20,840
Let me tell you, I joined the Finance Committee in 1996 and we had this very conversation

684
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:27,500
28 years ago because we would get to a crisis point where we needed to replace a cruiser

685
01:07:27,500 --> 01:07:32,700
and we eventually realized we replaced one on average every year because of the mileage

686
01:07:32,700 --> 01:07:39,000
that ran up, it is sure if there's a vehicle, I know there's oftentimes, or at least

687
01:07:39,000 --> 01:07:43,760
in the past, I don't want to assume, where we've transferred a vehicle from an active

688
01:07:43,760 --> 01:07:47,840
cruiser part of the fleet to another use for the town, so we don't necessarily get rid

689
01:07:47,840 --> 01:07:55,940
of it, but it's useful life as a cruiser has a useful life that is relatively by route,

690
01:07:56,160 --> 01:07:56,220
right?

691
01:07:56,580 --> 01:08:01,860
There's very few exceptions that a cruiser is going to be used less than another one,

692
01:08:01,860 --> 01:08:09,240
And so, this is not a new practice, whether it's a policy or not, it's not a new practice,

693
01:08:10,740 --> 01:08:12,300
but I do think it is good policy.

694
01:08:21,920 --> 01:08:28,880
Actually, replaced the administrative fire vehicle that was no longer working, and then we sold that on municipal.

695
01:08:37,000 --> 01:08:37,880
No, it was, yeah, it was an issue.

696
01:08:37,980 --> 01:08:38,840
They have three cars.

697
01:08:44,190 --> 01:08:44,970
Yes, it was.

698
01:08:45,210 --> 01:08:45,510
Yes, it was.

699
01:08:45,790 --> 01:08:48,490
But I don't want us to get too far a field on them.

700
01:08:57,200 --> 01:09:05,140
So these were non-reoccurring and there in no particular order was the community center

701
01:09:05,140 --> 01:09:16,070
HVAC changes or maintenance to the Prescott parking lot, budget software, expansion in

702
01:09:16,070 --> 01:09:22,710
all-terrain vehicle for the fire department, highway truck replacement, highway barn, oil

703
01:09:22,710 --> 01:09:30,090
furnace and a highway bar and roof replacement. So in terms of the community center HVAC and

704
01:09:30,090 --> 01:09:34,310
keeping with the town's green initiatives highlighted throughout the updated master plan.

705
01:09:34,910 --> 01:09:40,350
HVAC mini splits have been proposed for each of the rooms in the community center where people gather

706
01:09:40,350 --> 01:09:46,390
including the gymnasium, the cafe and the first floor activities room. These will replace standalone

707
01:09:46,390 --> 01:09:52,050
window units, which are costly to run, inefficient and subject to failures often.

708
01:09:52,550 --> 01:09:55,790
Particularly when folks are in the rooms and they turn them on and off or they

709
01:09:55,790 --> 01:09:59,930
adjust them up and down. You can see some of those in this picture and obviously

710
01:09:59,930 --> 01:10:08,350
the leaking one on the left hand side. The second request is for $35,000 to purchase

711
01:10:08,350 --> 01:10:14,110
paving materials and asphalt needed to repair the back parking lot area outside of

712
01:10:14,110 --> 01:10:18,450
press caught and the lower ADA parking lot at the community center.

713
01:10:20,730 --> 01:10:25,570
When you say the suggestion is to replace the current air conditions with a mini-slit

714
01:10:25,570 --> 01:10:26,050
in each room.

715
01:10:26,210 --> 01:10:28,210
You have someone doing engineering study, fine.

716
01:10:28,570 --> 01:10:28,750
Thank you.

717
01:10:28,890 --> 01:10:28,990
Yes.

718
01:10:30,050 --> 01:10:34,830
The question was do we have someone doing engineering study relative to replace in the current

719
01:10:34,830 --> 01:10:37,110
units with the mini-slit's the answer was yes.

720
01:10:42,350 --> 01:10:42,590
Thanks.

721
01:10:42,910 --> 01:10:52,190
Quite $25 capital plan and the general fund budget the town proposed an expensive about $7,000 to purchase

722
01:10:52,190 --> 01:10:57,470
Interacting budgeting software. So I included a link and a QR code on the slides

723
01:10:57,470 --> 01:11:01,090
So when I give it to everybody you can go to the actual website and check it out

724
01:11:01,090 --> 01:11:07,910
It's probably the same video that you might have seen last year, but for those who may have forgotten it. I was hoping to

725
01:11:13,630 --> 01:11:15,790
She stopped talking to him

726
01:11:15,790 --> 01:11:19,570
You didn't trail off. She just stopped talking mid-sentence. Is

727
01:11:24,050 --> 01:11:24,830
this the same software?

728
01:11:26,840 --> 01:11:29,320
Mm-hmm, it was currently known. You know, we don't have any software.

729
01:11:29,640 --> 01:11:31,040
Or, I thought we'd do it. You have projects where?

730
01:11:31,480 --> 01:11:31,700
No.

731
01:11:31,980 --> 01:11:32,140
Okay.

732
01:11:34,080 --> 01:11:34,760
It's never failed.

733
01:11:34,860 --> 01:11:35,920
Which is not very good.

734
01:11:36,260 --> 01:11:37,620
It was proposed last year.

735
01:11:37,860 --> 01:11:38,440
Oh, that's right.

736
01:11:39,000 --> 01:11:39,200
Okay.

737
01:11:40,420 --> 01:11:42,800
Are you, what are you attempting to do? You're

738
01:11:46,900 --> 01:11:47,960
just, you know, sharing a different story.

739
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:49,480
It's going to happen.

740
01:11:55,970 --> 01:11:56,690
You're not missing anything.

741
01:11:57,490 --> 01:11:57,710
Sorry.

742
01:12:35,620 --> 01:12:42,400
You'll begin by either building your budget in our operational budgeting product or by simply sending us your budget in an Excel spreadsheet.

743
01:12:43,060 --> 01:12:56,300
We will map your budget into our system. Then at the click of a button, clearable instantly build a framework of a dynamic budget book with a table of contents, template of pages, and auto-generated content to save your time and give you a head start.

744
01:12:57,620 --> 01:13:03,140
pages are fully customizable and enable users to add content to any page using our

745
01:13:03,140 --> 01:13:07,340
pre-formatted panels for native text, charts, images, and more.

746
01:13:08,300 --> 01:13:13,040
Funding sources and department pages can also be created automatically by

747
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:16,760
filling out a few fields and pointing the tool to the specific content you want to

748
01:13:16,760 --> 01:13:20,200
pull into the page. The page is instantly created and automatically

749
01:13:20,200 --> 01:13:20,660
Not really.

750
01:13:20,960 --> 01:13:22,220
The only child is a table.

751
01:13:22,700 --> 01:13:25,980
OK, well, I guess the general idea.

752
01:13:26,240 --> 01:13:26,800
So I was there.

753
01:13:28,260 --> 01:13:29,440
You could unmute that.

754
01:13:29,960 --> 01:13:30,720
Yeah, why not?

755
01:13:30,720 --> 01:13:31,220
Yes, just.

756
01:13:31,640 --> 01:13:33,300
There's a QR code you could see.

757
01:13:33,540 --> 01:13:33,700
Yeah.

758
01:13:34,120 --> 01:13:39,020
For our friends online, there's a QR code we'll throw up

759
01:13:39,020 --> 01:13:42,200
and folks in the room can scan it as well.

760
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:44,840
And what's presentation?

761
01:13:45,360 --> 01:13:48,740
So in addition to what the budget book does,

762
01:13:48,740 --> 01:13:56,820
There is also a capital personnel enterprise operating and other budget which the finance

763
01:13:56,820 --> 01:13:59,660
director Cheryl Garvey has proposed.

764
01:14:00,340 --> 01:14:06,440
It is not inexpensive as it's about $19,000 a year.

765
01:14:06,740 --> 01:14:11,220
That would include the budget, the budget book right now, the budget book portion of that

766
01:14:11,220 --> 01:14:12,420
is $5,500.

767
01:14:13,600 --> 01:14:22,500
So certainly go to the QR code we can talk about it a little bit more in depth and definitely at the finance committee meeting we'll do a presentation of that.

768
01:14:23,260 --> 01:14:32,140
And if the committee is interested we can have the folks from Cleargov come in with a much better presentation than my YouTube.

769
01:14:34,100 --> 01:14:40,900
But it is worthwhile, when you go to other communities that have it, you're able to build

770
01:14:40,900 --> 01:14:44,580
the report based on the data that you want to see as the residents.

771
01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:51,360
So if you're interested in how your home taxes and houses equate to that of your neighbors,

772
01:14:51,700 --> 01:14:52,240
that's one thing.

773
01:14:52,360 --> 01:14:55,100
If you want to look at it based on square footage, that's another thing.

774
01:14:55,100 --> 01:14:59,420
if you want to look at how much of your personal tax dollars goes to.

775
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,380
The police commissioner versus the title administrator, you can do that. So there's a lot to do. It's a lot of data input that goes in. But with the new software program that was purchased right prior to when I started, which is beta, we have the ability to constantly put in these sheets into it. So it would stay updated and I think would be helpful. And certainly people can use it or not. But I think it's a pretty robust system. So it's neat.

776
01:15:30,700 --> 01:15:34,200
That said, it might not be $20,000 neat.

777
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:35,500
Right, right.

778
01:15:36,220 --> 01:15:42,060
I mean, primary benefit of this would be to the residents, to the taxpayers to answer questions.

779
01:15:42,060 --> 01:15:44,280
Would it help with the preparation of budgets?

780
01:15:45,360 --> 01:15:45,760
Yes.

781
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:52,980
So, as you may know, we had a budgeting person that worked here and she has sensed left.

782
01:15:52,980 --> 01:16:01,200
And so in the wake of that person leaving, Cheryl and I tried to investigate how it was

783
01:16:01,200 --> 01:16:06,560
that we could perhaps use technology, not that I think technology replaces human beings

784
01:16:06,560 --> 01:16:09,220
but just to try to supplement it a little bit.

785
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:13,240
And there is something to be said about what it can do.

786
01:16:14,200 --> 01:16:18,720
This is going to be an interesting year because it's a bit hybrid because we're starting to

787
01:16:18,720 --> 01:16:20,920
to build it and putting all of the data in it.

788
01:16:21,480 --> 01:16:23,000
And I'm already starting the budget book.

789
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:26,000
So I think we're gonna get a bit of a half and a half

790
01:16:26,460 --> 01:16:30,140
this year, but certainly the following year,

791
01:16:30,180 --> 01:16:32,520
it would all be automated and on lockup,

792
01:16:32,580 --> 01:16:34,540
which is, you know, really the goal.

793
01:16:35,240 --> 01:16:41,180
Okay, so the fire altering vehicle,

794
01:16:41,620 --> 01:16:45,260
so project three relates to the acquisition

795
01:16:45,260 --> 01:16:47,360
of an altering vehicle for public safety.

796
01:16:47,360 --> 01:16:56,160
So just anecdotally, some months ago, a gentleman was walking in the woods with a family member when he would got fatigued and could not walk out on his own.

797
01:16:56,860 --> 01:17:05,100
It took police and fire nearly an hour to locate him more than a mile back on the trail and then the commissioner and Lieutenant Aldrich.

798
01:17:05,480 --> 01:17:12,260
Han carried him out of the woods on a stretcher and it was 90 something degrees, but they did a good job doing it.

799
01:17:12,260 --> 01:17:20,300
So this situation happens more often than people realize, and so the ability to get a vehicle

800
01:17:20,300 --> 01:17:26,820
in and around safely in our trail system without damaging a lot of the trails even if it's

801
01:17:26,820 --> 01:17:29,800
only halfway down I think would have helped that particular situation.

802
01:17:30,100 --> 01:17:33,340
So I offer that just as a more recent example, but there's-

803
01:17:33,340 --> 01:17:41,700
Can I ask, what's the average lifespan of not a human being of an all-fire all-terrain vehicle?

804
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:46,520
It's about $35,000.

805
01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:46,860
So it's about $35,000.

806
01:17:46,860 --> 01:17:47,180
About three.

807
01:17:47,620 --> 01:17:48,680
Three tons of dollars.

808
01:17:49,020 --> 01:17:49,120
Yeah.

809
01:17:49,860 --> 01:17:54,620
When it comes time to discuss this more, I would love to know how many calls this would have

810
01:17:54,620 --> 01:17:54,860
helped.

811
01:17:55,220 --> 01:17:57,060
Is it one or is it like a hundred?

812
01:17:57,740 --> 01:17:58,800
I just want to understand that.

813
01:17:58,800 --> 01:17:59,100
Good question.

814
01:17:59,100 --> 01:18:00,840
We've been looking out there for a little bit of a purpose,

815
01:18:01,160 --> 01:18:02,840
so I don't really for obviously purpose,

816
01:18:03,100 --> 01:18:05,100
but also to be able to put something

817
01:18:05,100 --> 01:18:06,380
in a brush compatible,

818
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:09,940
small contained for water,

819
01:18:10,120 --> 01:18:12,200
to deliver water and to put out brush fires

820
01:18:12,660 --> 01:18:14,500
in our forest. That is something that happens

821
01:18:14,500 --> 01:18:15,980
far more often than the other.

822
01:18:16,640 --> 01:18:19,240
But both are equally important to our trail system.

823
01:18:19,520 --> 01:18:21,140
I just want to make sure we're differentiating

824
01:18:21,140 --> 01:18:22,400
between like a nice to have,

825
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:23,480
versus a really should have.

826
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:24,400
That would be my point.

827
01:18:25,020 --> 01:18:25,220
Thank you.

828
01:18:25,280 --> 01:18:26,380
We'll have a really good presentation.

829
01:18:26,380 --> 01:18:28,540
Thank you.

830
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:32,080
Is Scott McDonald on?

831
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:33,880
I did not see him on track together.

832
01:18:36,370 --> 01:18:37,090
Yes, I'm here.

833
01:18:37,450 --> 01:18:40,790
Did you want to talk about the highway replacement?

834
01:18:45,630 --> 01:18:48,650
I'm not quite sure which one let's wait in three places.

835
01:18:48,950 --> 01:18:53,010
But we've got a few that need to be in three places.

836
01:18:53,730 --> 01:18:55,510
So any purpose, welcome.

837
01:18:57,130 --> 01:19:02,400
We've been waiting and I know on our equipment three places

838
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:18,520
This is a replacement of a 2011 Chevy C-2500, which has 105,000 miles and rust on the body.

839
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:20,240
This is not a picture of that.

840
01:19:20,740 --> 01:19:21,560
I would hope so.

841
01:19:22,040 --> 01:19:25,820
There is another truck in there that has the blown engine.

842
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:31,240
Is that being replaced here or that's not being replaced with this truck?

843
01:19:31,280 --> 01:19:32,440
That is not at this time.

844
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:36,140
Okay. Okay. No. It's not the one with people on the table.

845
01:19:37,020 --> 01:19:38,760
I don't know what to get. You know what you're doing as

846
01:19:42,640 --> 01:19:42,760
well.

847
01:19:43,240 --> 01:19:44,300
I mentioned today.

848
01:19:48,590 --> 01:19:49,670
Any other questions from Scott?

849
01:19:49,990 --> 01:19:53,890
I have one that's not related to replacement of the truck that could go to Scott Arcade.

850
01:19:54,270 --> 01:19:59,650
It's related to the paving and the press got parking lot in the back of the community centers.

851
01:19:59,790 --> 01:20:08,930
Are there any way we can see cost reduction by working with DPW on any excess asphalt or materials that they may have to?

852
01:20:08,930 --> 01:20:15,050
We're just buying. That's the price to buy the asphalt and then they would do the work other than that

853
01:20:15,050 --> 01:20:18,410
It would be somewhere in the neighborhood of 150,000. But there's no

854
01:20:19,230 --> 01:20:20,330
Commune skills by

855
01:20:21,390 --> 01:20:23,510
By him and they buy all the asphalt that they buy

856
01:20:24,430 --> 01:20:31,390
Four roads patching things like that. I mean the answer can be no. I just I don't I don't I don't I don't know

857
01:20:31,390 --> 01:20:34,170
We can all of the ways to make

858
01:20:36,390 --> 01:20:43,130
and then there's two projects that are proposed for the DPW facilities. Scott, did you want

859
01:20:43,130 --> 01:20:53,970
to mention the $100,000 to replace the 25-year-old roof? Yeah, roof for the highway building in 15,000

860
01:20:53,970 --> 01:21:00,990
to replace the waste oil furnace in the highway barn. Yeah, the roof of the highway barn and

861
01:21:05,440 --> 01:21:06,140
pretty good

862
01:21:06,140 --> 01:21:07,740
I've been working with these, uh, during that,

863
01:21:10,020 --> 01:21:17,000
with this buzz on structural damage, the building itself, that, uh, the longer it goes, uh, um,

864
01:21:19,970 --> 01:21:21,070
in a garage like that,

865
01:21:23,460 --> 01:21:26,520
it's everything in the ceiling, so it's getting ruined.

866
01:21:28,100 --> 01:21:39,820
And, uh, with these little furnaces, I've been reading these 15 years old, and it has some deficiencies in the glass chamber where the sexual fraction, and then you can see the flames.

867
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:50,400
Yeah, yes, yes, take.

868
01:21:52,560 --> 01:21:53,720
Is this out?

869
01:21:58,800 --> 01:21:59,660
Which one the truck?

870
01:22:00,380 --> 01:22:01,080
The trunk.

871
01:22:19,790 --> 01:22:21,030
You must bring out money.

872
01:22:23,230 --> 01:22:23,590
Excuse me.

873
01:22:23,830 --> 01:22:24,070
I don't know.

874
01:22:27,020 --> 01:22:28,240
I mean, there is our equipment.

875
01:22:28,540 --> 01:22:29,180
The sun's bad, checkers.

876
01:22:29,740 --> 01:22:31,080
It just won't be rentary.

877
01:22:37,530 --> 01:22:38,210
We can't be rentary.

878
01:22:50,000 --> 01:22:50,860
Confused folks, Scott.

879
01:22:51,020 --> 01:22:52,220
We're not talking about replacing that one.

880
01:22:52,580 --> 01:22:54,220
I don't want to confuse folks.

881
01:22:54,340 --> 01:22:54,360
No,

882
01:22:57,290 --> 01:22:57,730
no.

883
01:22:58,150 --> 01:22:58,350
Any

884
01:23:00,690 --> 01:23:01,470
other questions, Scott?

885
01:23:04,990 --> 01:23:05,090
Okay.

886
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:14,560
Before she wraps up, I've got two quick questions.

887
01:23:14,620 --> 01:23:16,340
As you can see, this is not a wrap up.

888
01:23:16,340 --> 01:23:16,880
Okay,

889
01:23:19,600 --> 01:23:23,480
I got two quick questions, we're talking about new trucks and vehicles.

890
01:23:24,000 --> 01:23:28,300
There are two on the inventory that I'm bringing up a question in terms of should be looked

891
01:23:28,300 --> 01:23:33,240
at for possible because they're very likely used and we may not, I'm wondering if we need

892
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:33,440
them.

893
01:23:34,140 --> 01:23:40,740
There is a, in facilities and buildings, there's a 2023 Ford Explorer that appears less

894
01:23:40,740 --> 01:23:43,120
than 50 miles a year if the mileage is correct.

895
01:23:43,120 --> 01:23:48,240
My question is why do we need that and we backfill some other way for that usage.

896
01:23:49,020 --> 01:23:54,880
And the second thing is there's also a Nissan LEAF 2018 that's used for less than 700 miles a year.

897
01:23:55,320 --> 01:24:02,160
Could we look to replace that one and replace it with some other way?

898
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:03,840
I don't know what it's neat uses for.

899
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:10,540
So the Ford Explorer is the building commissioners administrative truck.

900
01:24:10,540 --> 01:24:15,380
And that is to cover him for insurance when he's out on inspections.

901
01:24:15,940 --> 01:24:20,380
He uses it obviously in town so it doesn't get high mileage but he absolutely needs it.

902
01:24:20,720 --> 01:24:21,760
He uses it every day.

903
01:24:22,660 --> 01:24:31,280
And the leaf is the staff vehicle that's used primarily by the assessors when they go out and

904
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:34,260
do assessments and inspections on properties.

905
01:24:34,780 --> 01:24:38,810
But it's also used by every other staff member including those in health and

906
01:24:38,810 --> 01:24:44,350
services when they have to go down to pick up food at the food bank or when they're doing so again also around town low

907
01:24:44,350 --> 01:24:53,650
mileage fully electric but utilize every day even if it's just for a mile or two so you know that would not okay good

908
01:24:53,650 --> 01:25:04,350
question so again this is the same slide that you already saw this is the outlay draft plan and of course we

909
01:25:04,350 --> 01:25:06,670
We haven't received anything from the school yet.

910
01:25:07,110 --> 01:25:15,230
So this is the municipal side of the draft, sorry, draft, the draft, outlight plan.

911
01:25:16,970 --> 01:25:17,390
Okay.

912
01:25:18,630 --> 01:25:19,210
Any,

913
01:25:22,990 --> 01:25:23,290
Dick?

914
01:25:33,020 --> 01:25:34,980
I have a quick comment, I would have a quick comment.

915
01:25:35,240 --> 01:25:40,240
While I agree with the general principle of allocating a certain amount for these annual

916
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:45,960
outlates as you identify, I would also ask that you periodically review them.

917
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:55,460
and look at how, what was spent and have the managers review each year to decide do we still need that amount of money and

918
01:25:55,460 --> 01:26:04,560
ensure that there are some less than appropriate ways of managing budgets where people can come in, you know.

919
01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:12,680
Well, I won't go into a lot of details, but just review the use of the budget and have managers look at it and say, yes, I still need it or

920
01:26:12,680 --> 01:26:19,040
I could do a little bit better by doing this and this and I just asked them to look at it periodically so just in response to that

921
01:26:19,040 --> 01:26:24,620
This is year one. Yeah, so we use last year's amounts. So they're based in fact, but we

922
01:26:25,520 --> 01:26:33,100
That can't happen until year two and great. We'll go back and say we we did implement the annual so I think you're absolutely right

923
01:26:33,100 --> 01:26:35,840
I'm looking to the future with and we love it.

924
01:26:38,560 --> 01:26:39,040
Wait

925
01:26:39,040 --> 01:26:40,500
I'm all set. Thanks.

926
01:26:43,470 --> 01:27:00,830
Thank you. We're all sounds like we're okay. So we are now going to turn to the proposed debt projects and I am going

927
01:27:00,830 --> 01:27:08,070
to ask the library folks to come up. I have their presentation and I'm going to share

928
01:27:11,670 --> 01:27:12,070
And

929
01:27:15,550 --> 01:27:20,610
yeah, can I just make a quick suggestion. I think we can take the podium out of the equation.

930
01:27:21,590 --> 01:27:28,510
Okay. No, yeah, I was going to suggest either Emily, you go sit next to Roy and you two sit as close to this as possible.

931
01:27:29,370 --> 01:27:33,170
Close to what? To the power. Right next to me.

932
01:27:36,510 --> 01:27:38,290
You go over there in case you have to.

933
01:27:38,290 --> 01:27:39,570
Yeah, you can't get out of here.

934
01:27:39,630 --> 01:27:39,830
I'm great.

935
01:27:41,030 --> 01:27:45,010
Good effort Emily, but I'm different Emily, you got to go there that way.

936
01:27:47,310 --> 01:27:47,670
Yeah.

937
01:27:48,690 --> 01:27:49,570
Where can I hit it?

938
01:27:49,770 --> 01:27:50,010
All right.

939
01:27:52,410 --> 01:27:53,130
Right here.

940
01:27:53,870 --> 01:27:55,050
I'm a dick.

941
01:27:55,130 --> 01:27:56,190
We're going to do a voice test.

942
01:27:56,430 --> 01:27:57,390
Jomila is going to talk.

943
01:27:57,830 --> 01:28:00,370
I'll say one, two, three and we'll have happy growth there.

944
01:28:00,690 --> 01:28:01,290
Richard Russell.

945
01:28:03,310 --> 01:28:04,350
I'll take it away.

946
01:28:04,390 --> 01:28:04,630
Okay.

947
01:28:05,010 --> 01:28:05,410
Take it away.

948
01:28:05,990 --> 01:28:06,590
What's the fun?

949
01:28:06,590 --> 01:28:07,650
So,

950
01:28:15,050 --> 01:28:22,390
so this is a presentation of the capital building, building capital project that we've

951
01:28:22,390 --> 01:28:30,450
been working on for, I don't know, five, six, seven, eight years and it's kind of come

952
01:28:30,450 --> 01:28:32,290
to a head in some some ways.

953
01:28:32,970 --> 01:28:41,650
So the information that I've derived to make this presentation are from three reports and

954
01:28:41,650 --> 01:28:50,430
And since 2015, we've known a lot about the problems and the roof, Spencer Sullivan started

955
01:28:50,430 --> 01:28:57,030
working on our building and the property in 2020, and finally, most recently earlier

956
01:28:57,030 --> 01:28:59,750
this year, they created a master plan.

957
01:29:02,170 --> 01:29:05,230
So there is no fluffy stuff in this.

958
01:29:05,230 --> 01:29:11,680
There is just medical things that need to be improved,

959
01:29:11,940 --> 01:29:16,400
things of that nature, yeah, it's kind of neat.

960
01:29:17,000 --> 01:29:18,860
But that's the project scope.

961
01:29:19,220 --> 01:29:23,760
There's no furniture, there's no new additions,

962
01:29:24,140 --> 01:29:26,700
there's no anything to create new services.

963
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:31,540
So what is deferred maintenance?

964
01:29:31,900 --> 01:29:35,000
Deferred maintenance is basically you have something

965
01:29:35,000 --> 01:29:44,740
and you use it until it breaks. At least that's been the strategy the town has had with the library in particular with HVAC units.

966
01:29:45,680 --> 01:29:59,800
We've been writing on move problems ever since I got here in 2001 but we've kind of reached a moment right now where we just can't wait too much longer.

967
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:06,720
Before these really become problematic. So those are a couple of divisions that we're looking to improve.

968
01:30:10,150 --> 01:30:32,430
So Jason, what if we didn't do anything? Firstly, don't blame the messenger. You know, the information that's coming next isn't pretty. So this is a projection of what the cost of doing the entire project is from last year.

969
01:30:32,430 --> 01:30:45,570
2024 early to 2030 and so you could see from 2024 to 2026 it's a little less

970
01:30:45,570 --> 01:30:52,330
than a million dollars more and these will continue but actually it's a

971
01:30:52,330 --> 01:30:58,290
little bit more like 50 million 500 thousand dollars more but these prices will

972
01:30:58,290 --> 01:31:04,310
will go up, right now the prices are based on an 8% increase that's on all the divisions

973
01:31:04,810 --> 01:31:09,730
and all the professional work that needs to be doing. It's a number and it was recommended

974
01:31:09,730 --> 01:31:10,770
by our architects.

975
01:31:13,500 --> 01:31:16,960
So what if we don't do anything with the roof of Masonry?

976
01:31:19,450 --> 01:31:20,910
So Masonry

977
01:31:20,910 --> 01:31:28,470
helps the building hold itself steady. So the building has to have way equally distributed

978
01:31:28,470 --> 01:31:38,850
it amongst it otherwise you get problems like leaks, mold, pests, damaged paintwork, damaged

979
01:31:38,850 --> 01:31:48,190
walls and brick, as well as damaged books. So with poor masonry everything else follows in

980
01:31:48,190 --> 01:31:53,210
terms of the problems you're going to have with your infrastructure and maintaining your building.

981
01:31:54,430 --> 01:32:03,290
So, this is another chart showing you in the kind of orangeish, I don't know, rosish,

982
01:32:04,210 --> 01:32:10,630
where that price was in $24, and where we are now in $26, as well as if we continue

983
01:32:10,630 --> 01:32:11,090
to wait.

984
01:32:13,050 --> 01:32:17,830
What if we don't do anything heating, ventilation, and air conditioning?

985
01:32:18,230 --> 01:32:19,090
This is scary guys.

986
01:32:20,570 --> 01:32:27,590
So the library's best unit is over 30 years old, and we had a renovation in 1999.

987
01:32:27,970 --> 01:32:32,110
Why is the, we didn't update the HVAC 25 years ago?

988
01:32:32,710 --> 01:32:39,710
Well, actually we didn't update it. We installed new units in the new parts of the building during the renovation.

989
01:32:39,810 --> 01:32:46,190
We didn't touch the old stuff to save money. And considering how well some of the units were, it made sense.

990
01:32:46,190 --> 01:32:49,310
So our 30-year unit is still our best unit.

991
01:32:51,030 --> 01:32:51,890
I want that one.

992
01:32:52,010 --> 01:32:52,430
Terrific.

993
01:32:52,930 --> 01:32:53,390
Terrific.

994
01:32:53,530 --> 01:32:54,430
Can I take it off the wall?

995
01:32:54,650 --> 01:32:54,790
Please.

996
01:32:54,950 --> 01:32:55,090
Great.

997
01:32:56,930 --> 01:33:00,130
So three units are down, including the museum,

998
01:33:00,130 --> 01:33:03,130
which is supposed to have an environmentally controlled effect.

999
01:33:03,670 --> 01:33:07,230
That was blown up during a snowstorm in fiscal year 2014.

1000
01:33:08,150 --> 01:33:11,210
Most recently, it's the Nathaniel Dexter meeting room

1001
01:33:11,210 --> 01:33:14,690
and the director's office hasn't had an air conditioner

1002
01:33:16,410 --> 01:33:24,030
in 10 years. My board has urgently tried to address it, but I'm holding them back. Please

1003
01:33:24,030 --> 01:33:24,790
don't do it yet.

1004
01:33:27,030 --> 01:33:31,210
So the other really important thing is, is that the coolant we're using

1005
01:33:32,230 --> 01:33:44,590
is grossly out of date. And the reasons, of course, are principally because of the high

1006
01:33:44,590 --> 01:33:51,910
rule that we have to stop using our 22 coolant. And the new coolant begins in

1007
01:33:51,910 --> 01:33:56,550
calendar 2025 which is going to be more efficient and it's also going to be

1008
01:33:57,630 --> 01:34:05,150
much fewer hydrocarbons for a couple. So the HVAC even in the better days of

1009
01:34:05,150 --> 01:34:12,530
2024 was going to be real money. We have 14 zones, we have a boiler which

1010
01:34:12,530 --> 01:34:19,070
which isn't going to be replaced, and it's not simple as just adding split systems.

1011
01:34:19,690 --> 01:34:26,150
And we have rooms with incredibly high ceilings that right now are hard to keep warm.

1012
01:34:27,050 --> 01:34:33,930
So engineers have the ideas of putting something together in the feasibility study.

1013
01:34:34,190 --> 01:34:35,610
It has some details.

1014
01:34:35,610 --> 01:34:47,210
Now I provided Kate copies of these reports that can be distributed to all of you and I'll try to get them on the website too for anybody who's watching who might want to see them.

1015
01:34:47,950 --> 01:34:54,570
All of this is, these numbers are recalculated so they're actually a little bit lower than where they may have given you Kate.

1016
01:34:56,390 --> 01:34:59,430
So this is another big one, the carpeting.

1017
01:35:01,670 --> 01:35:05,830
So, to replace the carpeting, the building is 20,000 square feet.

1018
01:35:06,710 --> 01:35:09,850
The most economical way is to use tiles.

1019
01:35:10,410 --> 01:35:13,630
Because if a tile goes bad, you just put it in a new tile.

1020
01:35:14,790 --> 01:35:20,230
But more than that, all of the collections have to be moved or a good portion of them.

1021
01:35:20,310 --> 01:35:22,330
And they generally will have to be held off site.

1022
01:35:23,210 --> 01:35:27,290
So there's a lot of labor in this, plus you have to junk stuff.

1023
01:35:29,110 --> 01:35:33,490
It's not as simple as just saying, well, wait a minute, the carpet only costs $100,000.

1024
01:35:33,990 --> 01:35:35,230
There's a lot of moving parts.

1025
01:35:36,010 --> 01:35:42,990
And this includes the vendors, the architects, profit, and fully overhead that goes into something.

1026
01:35:43,210 --> 01:35:48,330
So as reliable as these numbers may be, it includes everything of the project,

1027
01:35:51,170 --> 01:35:51,630
key takeaways.

1028
01:35:53,590 --> 01:36:02,370
So there is a question, was there any question on carpet to stage over time?

1029
01:36:03,490 --> 01:36:04,730
Where's the salt stage over time?

1030
01:36:05,830 --> 01:36:08,470
I only give you the final cost. Can you talk to me?

1031
01:36:12,990 --> 01:36:15,850
Well, you could be talking to the finance committee.

1032
01:36:16,270 --> 01:36:17,690
They don't know about the carpet.

1033
01:36:17,690 --> 01:36:25,450
So no, this is all at once the carpet, that's the cost I'm giving you if you did the project as it's represented.

1034
01:36:25,930 --> 01:36:28,290
How the town determines to finance it?

1035
01:36:28,890 --> 01:36:38,010
No, I just don't want to be getting yelled at by a future of me in 25 years for why we replace all the carpet at once and then we have to replace all the carpet once again.

1036
01:36:38,010 --> 01:36:40,830
Okay, 25 years. We'll allow more than 1.2 months.

1037
01:36:40,910 --> 01:36:44,370
We'll add all got replaced in 25 years ago.

1038
01:36:44,890 --> 01:36:51,090
And we've been declaimed many times and it's a lot of good things that we care about.

1039
01:36:51,230 --> 01:36:54,650
We remember as a newer building and they've already replaced their carpet.

1040
01:36:55,090 --> 01:36:56,450
Well, don't blame us for their bad decisions.

1041
01:36:57,190 --> 01:37:00,130
That's true. And they've made quite a few.

1042
01:37:01,170 --> 01:37:06,530
Right. As the Finance Committee rep, as asking maybe the hard question,

1043
01:37:06,530 --> 01:37:11,250
Yeah, sure. Why do we replace putting carpeting when we know that's going to have to go out?

1044
01:37:11,370 --> 01:37:16,010
Why don't we use some of the new tile or wood sets of things and that kind of stuff?

1045
01:37:16,950 --> 01:37:21,550
I can all one of the answers comes to me as well. It's a library. You don't want something that

1046
01:37:21,550 --> 01:37:26,750
reflects noise. That's right on the floor. Okay. If that's the answer, okay, but I had to ask the

1047
01:37:26,750 --> 01:37:32,890
question. Sure. Because it seems like putting carpeting in less than 25 years ago to rip it out and

1048
01:37:32,890 --> 01:37:39,010
put a new, whereas, you know, the more engineered surfaces they have nowadays would last a long time.

1049
01:37:39,210 --> 01:37:43,730
So Roy, some of the parts of the carpet wear quicker than others.

1050
01:37:44,050 --> 01:37:45,050
Sure, I traffic her.

1051
01:37:45,270 --> 01:37:50,290
So if you use tiles, you might not necessarily have to replace an entire carpet.

1052
01:37:50,650 --> 01:37:52,550
Like this carpet is like that, isn't it?

1053
01:37:53,110 --> 01:37:53,890
You mean squares?

1054
01:37:54,150 --> 01:37:56,530
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1055
01:37:56,850 --> 01:38:02,070
So you might be able to improve it as you go along on those high traffic areas.

1056
01:38:02,070 --> 01:38:09,250
I grew up in a house with carpet tiles, we had a lot of discolored, oh yeah, yeah, really?

1057
01:38:10,070 --> 01:38:18,910
It was the 70s, so yeah, the 70s, the band's worn replacing a whole carpet, we just had

1058
01:38:18,910 --> 01:38:21,010
little squares that weren't darker blue than the other squares.

1059
01:38:22,350 --> 01:38:25,430
We're going to close it down here, so I'm going to make a big face.

1060
01:38:26,190 --> 01:38:29,490
Okay, carpet squares are the best one, probably the best one to go.

1061
01:38:29,490 --> 01:38:38,870
You don't want to be in a children's room with that's a glitch, but, you know, I need to ask to make sure I look forward to questions actually.

1062
01:38:39,910 --> 01:38:41,510
So here are some key takeaways.

1063
01:38:42,010 --> 01:38:51,550
So there's the cycle we've always been in, maybe with other town departments, as well, is that the project is scary, expensive, and we delay.

1064
01:38:52,110 --> 01:38:55,850
More of the systems fail, and then the project gets costlier.

1065
01:38:55,850 --> 01:38:56,850
So,

1066
01:38:59,300 --> 01:39:02,240
what is the library and the town done to help itself?

1067
01:39:02,460 --> 01:39:08,340
So right now, if you have noticed, all the windows and doors have been improved, restored.

1068
01:39:09,180 --> 01:39:13,840
And that was from ARPA, CPA, which has already taken out of people's taxes.

1069
01:39:14,400 --> 01:39:20,080
It's earmarked for certain things, and we did $27,000 worth of fundraising.

1070
01:39:20,860 --> 01:39:33,040
So, for the reporting, we're getting $70,000 in CPA, a $10,000 appropriation and the library is kicking in $10,000.

1071
01:39:33,500 --> 01:39:37,980
So, in both of those cases, the library has its own skin in the game.

1072
01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:46,400
People might want to say, hey, there's an NBSC building grant and there is, it built our building back in 2021.

1073
01:39:46,400 --> 01:39:50,580
one. If we were to get it, you know, 1999, he won't, yeah.

1074
01:39:52,900 --> 01:39:55,280
It's okay. Yeah, how are through?

1075
01:39:55,740 --> 01:40:00,960
You're doing good. We know what you're meant. Ha, so long. So if we were to get the grant,

1076
01:40:01,180 --> 01:40:07,120
it would only cover 60,000,000, 60% of it, but NBLC is not interested in covering projects that

1077
01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:12,780
don't offer services in and only deferred maintenance. And if you consider, they won't,

1078
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:17,220
Well, they have a budget and they will pick you.

1079
01:40:17,440 --> 01:40:22,840
Yeah, I can apply, but right now, the 20 libraries that are qualified,

1080
01:40:23,180 --> 01:40:26,260
that they only choose 10, none of them are deferred maintenance.

1081
01:40:27,060 --> 01:40:28,360
So we would be 21.

1082
01:40:28,700 --> 01:40:29,500
We're very lucky town.

1083
01:40:29,860 --> 01:40:29,980
Yeah.

1084
01:40:31,460 --> 01:40:33,440
I just want to be clear, like you will apply.

1085
01:40:34,500 --> 01:40:37,940
I don't like people that are just assuming they're never going to get you can still apply.

1086
01:40:38,460 --> 01:40:38,620
Sure.

1087
01:40:39,140 --> 01:40:42,700
We can't tell the taxpayers there's a chance even though it's a chance.

1088
01:40:42,700 --> 01:40:47,560
actually. Is there a grant application available? I don't know if we can get a grant on this.

1089
01:40:48,340 --> 01:40:51,540
I was saying we can't get one, but you understand if we say the taxpayers would

1090
01:40:51,540 --> 01:40:56,600
even try to get an eligible grant that we're ineligible for. You didn't tell

1091
01:40:56,600 --> 01:41:01,640
it you said it there unlikely to. No, it's an eligible. It says it in my slide.

1092
01:41:01,860 --> 01:41:01,900
No,

1093
01:41:04,900 --> 01:41:08,740
I understand that and I'm going to take a word back and just use the word in the slide.

1094
01:41:08,740 --> 01:41:14,600
It's incredible. I can still apply for the grant if you would. Thank you.

1095
01:41:15,880 --> 01:41:23,480
Green communities, I'm looking into it with Brian and the most we're going to get for an HVAC system

1096
01:41:23,480 --> 01:41:33,220
is $500,000 and the town requires a town match. So presumably if we were to get money we already have

1097
01:41:33,220 --> 01:41:33,700
That's a match.

1098
01:41:34,680 --> 01:41:35,520
Well, yeah, it's a match.

1099
01:41:36,660 --> 01:41:37,060
Boom.

1100
01:41:37,440 --> 01:41:39,720
But I mean, if it's not a million dollar credit,

1101
01:41:39,900 --> 01:41:42,220
but if we got half a million dollars,

1102
01:41:42,640 --> 01:41:43,880
if somebody else are matched,

1103
01:41:44,040 --> 01:41:46,140
it's half of what we were going to allocate for it, yes?

1104
01:41:47,040 --> 01:41:49,380
That match would be half, yes.

1105
01:41:50,500 --> 01:41:51,600
So we'll go for that, too.

1106
01:41:52,520 --> 01:41:53,120
That's amazing.

1107
01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:54,220
That's amazing.

1108
01:41:54,440 --> 01:41:55,000
That's fantastic.

1109
01:41:55,440 --> 01:41:56,120
That's amazing.

1110
01:41:56,120 --> 01:41:56,680
This is amazing.

1111
01:41:56,880 --> 01:41:58,800
We're already stacking up all the grand opportunities.

1112
01:41:58,800 --> 01:42:00,640
close remarks.

1113
01:42:03,460 --> 01:42:07,720
Listen the library doesn't make any decisions that has an outlay

1114
01:42:07,720 --> 01:42:15,660
without thinking about the tax bills people get and we understand that there

1115
01:42:15,660 --> 01:42:24,150
was an override and a school project approved but this is the oldest civil

1116
01:42:24,150 --> 01:42:29,910
memorial in the country. It's it's important on a historical as a historical

1117
01:42:29,910 --> 01:42:35,110
note. It's next to the Bullfins Church. It's on the historic registers both

1118
01:42:35,110 --> 01:42:43,190
federally and in Massachusetts but and it stands I mean we can get money but

1119
01:42:43,190 --> 01:42:46,990
the lion's share of this has to be paid for by the residents of town.

1120
01:42:55,990 --> 01:43:08,790
But that doesn't mean we're not going to try. Emily right now is trying to get a fundraising committee together. I understand the quills have a foundation that they might just put them on the last right now.

1121
01:43:09,330 --> 01:43:18,570
to see how I did that. You didn't need to say it was there so yeah we're

1122
01:43:18,570 --> 01:43:22,570
gonna always have skin in the game. We're always gonna have our own skin in the

1123
01:43:22,570 --> 01:43:38,770
game and I appreciate that. Can I ask you a question about and I don't want to go back to the

1124
01:43:38,770 --> 01:43:42,750
what deferred maintenance, but it would, I can't measure the only library that has deferred

1125
01:43:42,750 --> 01:43:44,770
maintenance issues and the commonwealth.

1126
01:43:46,390 --> 01:43:53,900
I would say that libraries that have significant deferred maintenance are getting NBLC grants

1127
01:43:53,900 --> 01:43:58,300
that include an addition and more services as part of.

1128
01:43:58,940 --> 01:44:07,200
So the libraries that might, it's probably part of what we did when we got our grant last

1129
01:44:07,200 --> 01:44:07,500
time.

1130
01:44:07,500 --> 01:44:11,840
When we did last year, 80% of our collection was like, you could reach it.

1131
01:44:12,040 --> 01:44:13,660
That was a big part of the pitch.

1132
01:44:13,900 --> 01:44:16,960
But now it's just, you know, I can...

1133
01:44:16,960 --> 01:44:21,640
I was just asking this, is it a common case for us to make to the legislature or to others

1134
01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:24,260
to give them different marching orders or different resources?

1135
01:44:24,500 --> 01:44:27,660
I got to say Steve, I don't know the answer.

1136
01:44:27,880 --> 01:44:27,960
Yeah.

1137
01:44:28,660 --> 01:44:32,080
I appreciate and value your question, but I don't think it matters.

1138
01:44:32,680 --> 01:44:35,500
Because we have stuff that's...

1139
01:44:35,500 --> 01:44:37,240
But my best HVAC unit is from...

1140
01:44:37,240 --> 01:44:41,920
No, I'm not suggesting that I'm just asking you as a professional in library sciences

1141
01:44:42,600 --> 01:44:46,400
if you think it's something that warrants raising it up through policy makers

1142
01:44:46,400 --> 01:44:51,780
because it seems to me as a New England state with a lot of aging libraries

1143
01:44:51,780 --> 01:44:58,100
to rule out deferred, and by the way, difficult financial times across the Commonwealth

1144
01:44:58,100 --> 01:44:59,700
to rule out deferred maintenance.

1145
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:22,940
As an eligible, it seems like a bad criteria. I'm not suggesting it's by any way it's going to get changed. In time to fix the problems we have, I'm just glad that you flagged it. Yeah, I would say this is a very attractive to legislators earmark because of the historical nature of what and landcast not give up on that. And by the way, as a card carrying member of the.

1146
01:45:26,440 --> 01:45:33,980
It does seem that for energy, mass, save, all that stuff is targeted to residential.

1147
01:45:34,500 --> 01:45:44,540
You know, the heating system proposed is heat pump system, you know, all the latest energy

1148
01:45:44,540 --> 01:45:54,460
efficient, etc. But you know, there's no, you can get maybe 500,000 out of a

1149
01:45:54,460 --> 01:45:59,800
two and a half million. So you still got to come up with two million, yeah.

1150
01:46:00,140 --> 01:46:02,540
Well, there you go, and there are programs for municipal buildings for

1151
01:46:03,680 --> 01:46:11,680
greening. That's the same. To the National Grid, and we would probably have

1152
01:46:11,680 --> 01:46:16,020
somebody who would help us through that. I know I'm working with Brian right now to get

1153
01:46:16,020 --> 01:46:19,060
answers to a lot of questions about our qualifications for the grant.

1154
01:46:19,280 --> 01:46:22,740
I see Mr. Trussle's digital hand up. Dick, do you have questions?

1155
01:46:25,490 --> 01:46:25,650
Yes.

1156
01:46:59,240 --> 01:47:06,420
Actually was out of compliance a long time ago. We're actually using a new coolant right now that

1157
01:47:06,420 --> 01:47:12,160
is also getting replaced. So the new coolant is already expired and they're moving to

1158
01:47:12,160 --> 01:47:16,560
that I believe in January. So we're at least two generations behind on the

1159
01:47:16,560 --> 01:47:16,840
cooling.

1160
01:47:36,620 --> 01:47:39,420
Problems are generally with cooling and not heat.

1161
01:47:50,570 --> 01:47:51,030
I understand the

1162
01:47:51,030 --> 01:47:51,570
question to

1163
01:47:57,520 --> 01:47:59,100
try

1164
01:48:15,450 --> 01:48:17,690
to fix whatever we can't

1165
01:48:24,670 --> 01:48:26,910
infrastructure the building inside

1166
01:48:26,910 --> 01:48:30,150
and outside. One of the CPA grants would

1167
01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:45,260
absolutely say the HVAC and the

1168
01:48:45,260 --> 01:48:47,080
pointing and all of that work.

1169
01:48:49,750 --> 01:48:54,670
Not the HVAC, I'm sorry, the roof definitely and

1170
01:48:54,670 --> 01:48:56,190
and the re-pointing of the building,

1171
01:48:56,190 --> 01:48:58,690
some of that's already happening with the CPA grant.

1172
01:48:59,890 --> 01:49:02,130
So that's, we have beams that are cut,

1173
01:49:02,370 --> 01:49:03,670
that we have to fix.

1174
01:49:05,490 --> 01:49:07,310
Yeah, so I mean, if I could go into my head,

1175
01:49:07,350 --> 01:49:08,250
that's where I would go.

1176
01:49:08,390 --> 01:49:11,650
We're trying to cut it up into manageable projects,

1177
01:49:12,210 --> 01:49:14,130
but the HVAC is a biggie.

1178
01:49:20,530 --> 01:49:22,270
I don't know, my next step is set.

1179
01:49:22,730 --> 01:49:23,870
Who's a water gun anyway?

1180
01:49:27,850 --> 01:49:30,190
So one last thing I want to say to you, Mr. Chair,

1181
01:49:30,190 --> 01:49:32,890
is that we are work, huh?

1182
01:49:33,130 --> 01:49:33,570
Nevermind.

1183
01:49:34,430 --> 01:49:35,150
Here's the chair.

1184
01:49:35,510 --> 01:49:35,890
Here's the chair.

1185
01:49:37,670 --> 01:49:38,450
You could take it.

1186
01:49:39,850 --> 01:49:41,190
You're prolonging this, Steve.

1187
01:49:41,890 --> 01:49:42,670
Don't get on me.

1188
01:49:43,570 --> 01:49:44,090
You really?

1189
01:49:44,230 --> 01:49:44,490
You've done.

1190
01:49:46,590 --> 01:49:48,830
So, you know, we are working with our architects.

1191
01:49:48,830 --> 01:49:50,290
We're going to meet with our building committee

1192
01:49:50,290 --> 01:49:52,550
and then hopefully soon we're going to meet with our building

1193
01:49:52,550 --> 01:49:54,690
architects to see if we can break this project down

1194
01:49:55,450 --> 01:49:57,150
and to sizeable pieces.

1195
01:49:57,910 --> 01:50:00,150
But then again, it goes back to,

1196
01:50:03,020 --> 01:50:06,200
you know, so understand.

1197
01:50:06,580 --> 01:50:06,700
Yeah.

1198
01:50:07,340 --> 01:50:12,600
Look, I think, I mean, you all have done a lot with a little for a long time.

1199
01:50:14,360 --> 01:50:18,000
And I'm grateful to you for the analysis and work.

1200
01:50:19,480 --> 01:50:20,280
Thank you.

1201
01:50:20,340 --> 01:50:24,640
You're trying to keep a treasure, not just for the town but for the nation together, so I appreciate that.

1202
01:50:24,700 --> 01:50:24,860
That's right.

1203
01:50:25,900 --> 01:50:29,880
So we will definitely work with you to the best we can.

1204
01:50:31,660 --> 01:50:33,960
Roy, I'll let Dick, do you have anything?

1205
01:50:38,790 --> 01:50:39,550
No questions.

1206
01:50:40,150 --> 01:50:41,510
Are you okay by calling your members?

1207
01:50:42,210 --> 01:50:42,350
A

1208
01:50:45,940 --> 01:50:46,260
question.

1209
01:50:47,000 --> 01:50:52,600
And thinking of this as a way of possibly getting some more help to deal with the cost of this,

1210
01:50:53,600 --> 01:50:58,640
it sounds like the museum is a unique collection of Civil War items.

1211
01:50:58,640 --> 01:50:59,040
Yes.

1212
01:51:00,340 --> 01:51:06,380
Have you given thought to possibly having some kind of program and

1213
01:51:06,380 --> 01:51:09,580
who's through get the benefit of charging for this?

1214
01:51:11,160 --> 01:51:13,020
Well, let's put it this way.

1215
01:51:13,480 --> 01:51:17,520
I understand the first reaction, but I've got to ask to take the second step and say,

1216
01:51:18,240 --> 01:51:20,140
you can see what the cost is.

1217
01:51:20,320 --> 01:51:24,940
We've got to find a way to defer this cost or spread this cost out to more users.

1218
01:51:29,200 --> 01:51:36,440
I'm thinking outside the box and I recognize I have to be brought down on the earth, but could

1219
01:51:36,440 --> 01:51:42,420
we do something like we have school children come through, we charge, I don't know, so much

1220
01:51:42,420 --> 01:51:43,560
a child and that kind of thing.

1221
01:51:43,940 --> 01:51:48,400
You do something where we can bring in some revenue, would it make any sense, would it help

1222
01:51:48,400 --> 01:51:48,880
with this?

1223
01:51:49,380 --> 01:51:52,900
It's a question, it's a thought question, I don't know the answer, you probably don't know

1224
01:51:52,900 --> 01:51:58,580
My first response is that the taxpayers have already paid for these services and so then to charge them again

1225
01:51:59,240 --> 01:52:04,820
Okay, didn't we charge only those outside landcasters but we advertise it and tried to bring people in

1226
01:52:04,820 --> 01:52:08,260
Look, we've got to think I'm not a verse to the idea

1227
01:52:08,260 --> 01:52:12,180
It's just that I'm careful with the the residents that we would charge

1228
01:52:12,680 --> 01:52:18,140
Something and I hear you and we shouldn't charge the Lancaster folks. I mean whether who's a card carry member

1229
01:52:18,760 --> 01:52:20,820
It's in free. I'm also okay

1230
01:52:20,820 --> 01:52:25,140
But we should look to expand this if it's as valuable and unique.

1231
01:52:26,160 --> 01:52:29,360
Okay, then we should think about can we expand this and bring in some ribbon?

1232
01:52:29,820 --> 01:52:30,760
Yes, just a thought.

1233
01:52:31,040 --> 01:52:36,960
It's a good thought because we've already contemplated for instance selling images of some of our rare books,

1234
01:52:37,260 --> 01:52:41,700
pages of them that we can photograph and they become something nice you could put on your wall.

1235
01:52:42,120 --> 01:52:47,400
People do that and we already have a policy that charges a person if they wish to have that service.

1236
01:52:47,800 --> 01:52:48,860
So that's an example.

1237
01:52:48,860 --> 01:52:53,580
Just charge the first person two and a half million dollars. And the next person a little less

1238
01:52:53,580 --> 01:52:58,460
than you're going out there. Yeah, it's up and down. Yeah, Emily, do you have a?

1239
01:52:58,620 --> 01:53:04,040
No, thank you. And not to, not to rain on your parade, right? I do think we need to separate these.

1240
01:53:04,860 --> 01:53:10,180
Right. There's Yarniol raised $37,000. Fundraising?

1241
01:53:10,380 --> 01:53:18,420
Yeah, 27, 27. There's no chance. I'll call it now. No chance. The paid students walk through

1242
01:53:18,420 --> 01:53:22,540
was going to be anywhere near that. So the answer to your question, yes, of course, we

1243
01:53:22,540 --> 01:53:27,060
should try to monetize all of the value of the library. But at the same time, it's not

1244
01:53:27,060 --> 01:53:32,720
even going to be dropping a bucket to the challenges that we had. So Joe, I have so much

1245
01:53:32,720 --> 01:53:33,240
I want to say.

1246
01:53:35,380 --> 01:53:41,280
I can't think of worst timing for your presentation. Right? And I say that

1247
01:53:41,280 --> 01:53:50,440
I say that humor and I say that as I feel really bad because you mentioned in 0.3 right we pass it over

1248
01:53:50,440 --> 01:53:59,240
And then now we have the high school like I can't think of what literally worst timing I can't think of anything worse and that

1249
01:53:59,240 --> 01:54:06,720
Stakes I want to mention that we started on this feasibility project me 15 to 16 I think no

1250
01:54:06,720 --> 01:54:13,380
So later than that, but at the suggestion of a pre-limit good former town

1251
01:54:13,380 --> 01:54:19,300
administrator who pointed out that soon something would be coming off the

1252
01:54:19,300 --> 01:54:25,060
debt before the new high school came in, would be the perfect time to put this

1253
01:54:25,060 --> 01:54:30,340
in. So it didn't happen. Yeah, you're doing everything right.

1254
01:54:30,640 --> 01:54:35,200
You've done studying and you've created a master plan and everything is laid out

1255
01:54:35,200 --> 01:54:38,220
and it's all right there, everything that any resident could offer.

1256
01:54:38,980 --> 01:54:41,720
I do want to make a joke, probably not the best timing,

1257
01:54:42,120 --> 01:54:45,000
but it's, me the library doesn't pay for itself.

1258
01:54:45,740 --> 01:54:47,320
I mean, it's not a profitable business.

1259
01:54:47,920 --> 01:54:49,080
No, it's not a business at all.

1260
01:54:49,300 --> 01:54:52,760
Okay. I just want to make sure, although the residents realize that the stuff isn't free.

1261
01:54:53,260 --> 01:54:55,600
Right? I'm talking decked just a minute.

1262
01:54:56,120 --> 01:55:00,120
So I want to make sure that every resident hears me say

1263
01:55:00,120 --> 01:55:02,760
that this isn't free in a cost money.

1264
01:55:02,760 --> 01:55:10,680
So on one hand, we want to lower taxes, that's great, and the other hand, if we want to have amazing services like our library, it costs money.

1265
01:55:11,100 --> 01:55:12,880
You can't have all of that.

1266
01:55:13,620 --> 01:55:17,980
I'll also say that I go, what did I miss?

1267
01:55:18,400 --> 01:55:18,780
What's the joke?

1268
01:55:20,960 --> 01:55:25,080
I don't know what happened when I come to a table, but I always see what happened.

1269
01:55:25,540 --> 01:55:29,360
So the next part, I want to go, I want to go really macro.

1270
01:55:29,360 --> 01:55:36,260
and Steve and to the finance committees I go back to our meetings about the

1271
01:55:36,260 --> 01:55:41,540
town master plan. And the town master plan is all about the great things we want

1272
01:55:41,540 --> 01:55:47,100
for the town. Our reality is we can't afford any of them. We cannot afford any of

1273
01:55:47,100 --> 01:55:54,520
them without raising taxes. And Thair Memorial Library is probably ahead of the

1274
01:55:54,520 --> 01:55:56,140
the old town hall, right?

1275
01:55:56,620 --> 01:56:00,100
Which I think is being, who knows what's going on?

1276
01:56:00,180 --> 01:56:01,880
I don't want to assume this down there.

1277
01:56:02,420 --> 01:56:05,460
So I get that we want to create a master plan

1278
01:56:05,460 --> 01:56:07,780
that talks about really nice things that we want.

1279
01:56:08,280 --> 01:56:11,140
Our reality is we need to raise,

1280
01:56:12,080 --> 01:56:14,400
or we need to increase commercial industrial development

1281
01:56:14,400 --> 01:56:18,140
in the town period, where we will have none of it, right?

1282
01:56:18,420 --> 01:56:19,620
I'm talking to you all right now.

1283
01:56:20,080 --> 01:56:21,560
Talking more to the Finance Committee, right?

1284
01:56:21,860 --> 01:56:24,080
Like it's, I'll say, it's my opinion

1285
01:56:24,080 --> 01:56:27,700
unless otherwise noted, there are no cuts to be made to pay for these things.

1286
01:56:27,900 --> 01:56:31,780
There are no cuts to be made to pay for these things, so we have to figure out something else.

1287
01:56:32,420 --> 01:56:37,080
And the only other thing, unless a resident comes up with a plan that we're not aware of,

1288
01:56:37,360 --> 01:56:39,400
is industrial, commercial development.

1289
01:56:40,080 --> 01:56:40,580
Thank you.

1290
01:56:42,940 --> 01:56:43,420
Yes.

1291
01:56:43,960 --> 01:56:44,220
Go ahead.

1292
01:56:44,600 --> 01:56:45,640
Go ahead.

1293
01:56:45,640 --> 01:56:45,920
Good.

1294
01:56:46,480 --> 01:56:46,860
Check

1295
01:58:01,650 --> 01:58:02,310
is five

1296
01:58:06,600 --> 01:58:11,440
is if we decided that each fact was the most important because that's where

1297
01:58:11,440 --> 01:58:13,220
you're going to get that $500,000.

1298
01:58:13,220 --> 01:58:25,620
But because you asked me, previously, what I think is the most important project, it was the roof, and that's 900 and something thousand, in 2026.

1299
01:58:27,440 --> 01:58:28,780
Yeah, so, for

1300
01:58:31,600 --> 01:58:32,280
HVAC,

1301
01:58:36,350 --> 01:58:37,110
I

1302
01:58:39,510 --> 01:58:50,270
also want to say that I can only advocate Jason, and that's my job, to advocate for the needs of the library on behalf of the residents.

1303
01:58:50,270 --> 01:58:59,190
It's what the residents can do, it's not up to me, if they can't vote for this, that's

1304
01:58:59,190 --> 01:58:59,710
their business.

1305
01:59:00,230 --> 01:59:01,250
We can't complain about that.

1306
01:59:01,750 --> 01:59:07,170
And it's funny, because that's exactly what I'm advocating, because when it comes

1307
01:59:07,170 --> 01:59:14,210
to votes in the town for rezoning, bringing in businesses, same thing, it's down to the

1308
01:59:14,210 --> 01:59:15,150
residents what they want.

1309
01:59:15,790 --> 01:59:17,710
So I cannot agree more with you.

1310
01:59:17,710 --> 01:59:23,670
So, we'll be disappointed, but we understand that people have their own household problems.

1311
01:59:25,070 --> 01:59:32,270
So that's important because even though it's a town's responsibility, it's not the responsibility

1312
01:59:32,270 --> 01:59:38,730
to pay their tax, it's more of a responsibility that paid for their tax bill than to think

1313
01:59:38,730 --> 01:59:45,710
about some other building, but, on the other hand, you have that building and the school

1314
01:59:45,710 --> 01:59:51,710
with serious issues and how many buildings on your town and green campus do you

1315
01:59:51,710 --> 01:59:55,330
want to have those problems? I don't know if I'm hiring you, I wouldn't bring up other buildings.

1316
01:59:57,550 --> 01:59:58,990
I'd stay in your building.

1317
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:29,260
I'm going to say, don't be pointless in other directions. Well, does anybody have any other questions for Joe? I didn't mention the people. No, you did not know. That was a blip. I thought I heard you. You went by nine hundred and something thousand and twenty. Let me just make sure. Yeah, it's twenty twenty six. It's nine eleven forty sixty two. That's including masonry. They go hand in hand.

1318
02:01:02,530 --> 02:01:03,550
Are you talking to Kate?

1319
02:01:09,610 --> 02:01:19,770
I think it's a question, but it's actually to you, but it's to you, because Joe, I can't tell the town that you don't have to finance something.

1320
02:01:20,110 --> 02:01:21,270
That's not in my willhouse.

1321
02:01:22,770 --> 02:01:29,530
I think the question is, were we to do the entire project of $5.5 million, or Mason or whatever?

1322
02:01:29,530 --> 02:01:36,390
I believe I'm asking a question right, Dick and you, you're asking for how would the

1323
02:01:36,390 --> 02:01:42,150
town, if we all said, wow, what a fantastic idea, what's the next step, and how would you

1324
02:01:42,150 --> 02:01:42,450
do it?

1325
02:01:44,250 --> 02:01:48,650
I mean, I'm just asking the answer, I'm asking this question, right,

1326
02:01:51,190 --> 02:01:54,590
so if you do 9-11-462.

1327
02:01:54,590 --> 02:02:01,650
Well, off the top of my head, and I am not advocating for any one of these yet, because

1328
02:02:01,650 --> 02:02:03,170
I have to actually do the math.

1329
02:02:03,610 --> 02:02:04,230
But this

1330
02:02:09,410 --> 02:02:18,230
is to raise taxes by a million dollars, which we have in levy capacity, I hate

1331
02:02:18,230 --> 02:02:18,910
that idea.

1332
02:02:37,570 --> 02:02:49,450
You could take the money from the stabilization account, the capital stabilization, which with

1333
02:02:49,450 --> 02:02:56,610
the million that we put in already, which was for the school, we would have with this

1334
02:02:56,610 --> 02:03:00,370
year's free cash if you went with some of that, we'd have somewhere in the neighborhood

1335
02:03:00,370 --> 02:03:09,330
of maybe 236,000 left in stabilization, so I sort of hate that idea, like almost as much

1336
02:03:09,810 --> 02:03:11,030
as the taxes idea.

1337
02:03:11,030 --> 02:03:17,330
So it's raising appropriate use savings or we could look at financing

1338
02:03:21,010 --> 02:03:23,970
it, but I'm telling you right now

1339
02:03:23,970 --> 02:03:31,130
and we ran the numbers at 3% and that was being very generous. I think we're probably close to 5 maybe 4 and a half.

1340
02:03:32,550 --> 02:03:37,610
And by that point, if you're going to finance a million, you need to be good now.

1341
02:03:37,610 --> 02:03:44,930
you do the whole margilla because we're not going to get enough people, we're not going to get enough agencies to want to

1342
02:03:44,930 --> 02:03:47,990
want to get on a million. They want something that's more secure.

1343
02:03:48,710 --> 02:03:53,010
Right. And you'll get a better rate. Or you could do nothing. So those are the four that are off the top of my head.

1344
02:03:53,170 --> 02:03:54,770
All right. Which are equally hateful.

1345
02:04:13,560 --> 02:04:13,920
The

1346
02:04:17,310 --> 02:04:24,430
actual numbers, I guess I just need to know what do you want us to run the numbers on?

1347
02:04:24,430 --> 02:04:29,570
Do you want to split it so you're doing a million? Do you want to put two projects together?

1348
02:04:29,790 --> 02:04:31,250
So we're talking about like two and a half.

1349
02:04:31,510 --> 02:04:36,510
So let me ask you a question. You said you were working with somebody who can look at segmenting out the project.

1350
02:04:36,890 --> 02:04:41,070
Yeah, the architect who wrote the feasibility. When will they have a suggestion on the segments?

1351
02:04:41,470 --> 02:04:48,390
Um, hold on two seconds, I just took it. There's a question on the table.

1352
02:04:48,570 --> 02:04:50,730
You, you, you, like, screamed at the table.

1353
02:04:51,270 --> 02:04:52,890
Hold on two seconds, please. Go ahead.

1354
02:04:54,450 --> 02:05:00,070
We plan on meeting with them sometime in October, could you come

1355
02:05:02,080 --> 02:05:02,660
on as early as

1356
02:05:02,660 --> 02:05:08,200
Pinley possible? October is like in a week. Yeah, it's in June, it's June. That's

1357
02:05:08,200 --> 02:05:13,280
pretty, that's okay. He said in October, so it'll be six weeks from now, or just

1358
02:05:13,280 --> 02:05:18,680
watch what I say, because it's gonna be just a slam, but every word you say, I know,

1359
02:05:18,900 --> 02:05:22,800
he's the one that out there. Oh my god. I just want to encourage you to have it

1360
02:05:28,000 --> 02:05:35,580
It's been a blessing every day. I think once we get that, if you can run those numbers in the different service, then we might think we have more permission.

1361
02:05:35,860 --> 02:05:42,500
Let me just reiterate, we're looking to break the project down, and that's what this meeting is for.

1362
02:05:43,100 --> 02:05:50,280
And so prioritization is what the building committee is going to be. We're hearing roof, we're hearing roof, so I think you're going roof.

1363
02:05:50,280 --> 02:05:59,620
and we are to your point we are trying to look anywhere possible for a grant

1364
02:05:59,620 --> 02:06:04,080
that might be available yes and I think grants appropriations other things

1365
02:06:04,080 --> 02:06:09,480
can be used to supplant what we plan to cover yeah all right is there anything

1366
02:06:09,480 --> 02:06:14,400
more you need from us for guidance Kate tonight or Joe you know I don't know are

1367
02:06:14,400 --> 02:06:20,560
you. I'm done. Fantastic presentation by the way. There's more. It's about the black.

1368
02:06:20,640 --> 02:06:26,300
No, but I'm just playing it. I'm really excited. I am. Now I step we get closer to it. Thank you.

1369
02:06:27,160 --> 02:06:34,520
Thank you. You look like me. Steve, thank you, Joe. Steve, you're remarkable. When you start

1370
02:06:34,520 --> 02:06:44,180
returning your late book as I was disparaging, as disparaging, all I do is donate books for that

1371
02:06:44,180 --> 02:06:44,660
That's a fail.

1372
02:06:45,860 --> 02:06:46,900
The Star-A-J.

1373
02:06:48,080 --> 02:06:51,000
Today the staff meeting he said some people were here.

1374
02:06:51,700 --> 02:06:52,860
I really don't think in the group,

1375
02:06:52,940 --> 02:06:55,060
with all of the other staff members here.

1376
02:06:55,220 --> 02:06:56,360
We were like, what?

1377
02:06:57,640 --> 02:06:59,700
What do you know? I was in your camp,

1378
02:07:00,080 --> 02:07:02,600
and then you just had Zinger, and now I don't know.

1379
02:07:02,720 --> 02:07:02,980
I'll see.

1380
02:07:05,800 --> 02:07:07,560
Go away. Have a good day.

1381
02:07:08,060 --> 02:07:08,560
Okay, keep going.

1382
02:07:11,060 --> 02:07:11,460
Okay.

1383
02:07:11,460 --> 02:07:18,220
I see you feel you have sufficient marching orders on the library? Yes? Perfect.

1384
02:07:22,440 --> 02:07:22,800
Yes, sir.

1385
02:07:31,920 --> 02:07:34,500
Oh, okay. Thank you. Appreciate it. We'll do it.

1386
02:07:57,260 --> 02:08:00,000
Was hopeful that in my

1387
02:08:00,000 --> 02:08:04,820
transmittal email that it was clear that these two projects are not being

1388
02:08:04,820 --> 02:08:12,980
proposed right now. But I think the idea of looking at them in tandem with what it

1389
02:08:12,980 --> 02:08:16,160
will cost for the library and other things like that is an important

1390
02:08:16,160 --> 02:08:18,240
of realization for a number of reasons,

1391
02:08:18,860 --> 02:08:22,040
the first is that the updated master plan

1392
02:08:22,040 --> 02:08:25,560
specifically calls out the community's desire

1393
02:08:25,560 --> 02:08:28,760
to have a reuse plan for that building.

1394
02:08:29,460 --> 02:08:30,620
And while...

1395
02:08:30,960 --> 02:08:32,160
That building made me old, huh?

1396
02:08:32,260 --> 02:08:33,400
I'm sorry, the old town hall.

1397
02:08:33,580 --> 02:08:36,020
And while I understand and appreciate that,

1398
02:08:36,280 --> 02:08:39,320
I also wanna be clear on the goals and objectives

1399
02:08:39,320 --> 02:08:41,420
that I think we can meet

1400
02:08:42,200 --> 02:08:43,880
and ones that are gonna be more difficult.

1401
02:08:43,880 --> 02:08:54,100
So this is the beginning of my plan to look at alternatives for how to use the building

1402
02:08:54,630 --> 02:09:00,360
that might allow for people to have a partnership agreement similar to what we have with DICAM,

1403
02:09:01,100 --> 02:09:07,560
where we have nonprofits, we have other state and federal agencies like I know that we get things

1404
02:09:07,560 --> 02:09:14,660
from the state that are looking for offices and so we explore those and in lieu of rent

1405
02:09:16,400 --> 02:09:23,020
those community groups those whatever you know either contribute money and we fix it up or they

1406
02:09:23,020 --> 02:09:28,500
fix it up the best thing in a building fund that has been pretty successful in other communities

1407
02:09:28,500 --> 02:09:37,260
it is slow but it also is not at a cost to the taxpayer that said most of the buildings that

1408
02:09:37,560 --> 02:09:39,380
those things have been successful on.

1409
02:09:39,600 --> 02:09:44,180
It's 100% exclusive use for whatever that purpose is

1410
02:09:44,180 --> 02:09:46,000
that someone's going to be renting it.

1411
02:09:46,580 --> 02:09:52,680
And of course, we need this one very large room for voting.

1412
02:09:53,320 --> 02:09:57,880
And so it'll be interesting to see how we can try to market that.

1413
02:09:58,380 --> 02:10:00,320
But regardless, I think it's important.

1414
02:10:01,360 --> 02:10:05,060
Commissioner Moody took these three of these videos.

1415
02:10:05,060 --> 02:10:12,220
So this is the first that you can just see. We have some asphalt situation and there's a step there.

1416
02:10:14,100 --> 02:10:20,400
Obviously that's an ADA issue, so we are working on that currently with the DPW

1417
02:10:21,360 --> 02:10:27,840
to remedy that situation definitely before the election in November.

1418
02:10:31,920 --> 02:10:41,180
here here this we are working on running although it isn't permanent so that

1419
02:10:41,180 --> 02:10:54,880
supposed to be attached to the building you get out of the building quicker

1420
02:10:54,880 --> 02:10:58,040
kind of way. No one was harmed in the making of this video.

1421
02:11:07,700 --> 02:11:11,060
Also not connected to the ground.

1422
02:11:11,060 --> 02:11:16,280
I'm going to go into the ground. I'm going to make sense. Really take my life. Mr. Trustley

1423
02:11:16,280 --> 02:11:16,940
overhand up.

1424
02:12:25,520 --> 02:12:31,560
Couple slides and then I kind of go into that. So this is the last one. But the answer,

1425
02:12:32,040 --> 02:12:38,000
I don't remember which number question it was, but this is the basement slash ground floor level

1426
02:12:38,000 --> 02:12:44,100
of the Old Town Hall. We are storing some materials in there but not as much as we used to.

1427
02:12:44,940 --> 02:12:50,980
We used some grant money that we received to digitize all of the plans and maps that were

1428
02:12:50,980 --> 02:12:57,560
stored in here. They were the equivalent of about half of this room floor to ceiling. A company came

1429
02:12:57,560 --> 02:13:03,660
and picked them all up in a big moving van and scanned all of them so they're all digitized and so

1430
02:13:03,660 --> 02:13:07,780
we were able to get rid of those because they're all covered in mold and other things like that.

1431
02:13:08,000 --> 02:13:11,360
So these facilities, as you can see,

1432
02:13:11,500 --> 02:13:13,220
have been cleaned out as much as possible.

1433
02:13:13,860 --> 02:13:16,180
We're exploring a grant with the state,

1434
02:13:16,180 --> 02:13:18,440
which is a one-stop building readiness grant,

1435
02:13:18,720 --> 02:13:21,440
to remove all of the other items that are down here.

1436
02:13:21,800 --> 02:13:26,300
This floor is completely closed off to the public,

1437
02:13:26,300 --> 02:13:29,100
and frankly, staff doesn't even really go down there.

1438
02:13:29,560 --> 02:13:31,180
There are some items that are stored

1439
02:13:31,180 --> 02:13:34,360
in the historical spaces at the end of this corridor,

1440
02:13:34,360 --> 02:13:40,320
to the left that we're going to need to hire a remediation specialist for, Joe has been

1441
02:13:40,320 --> 02:13:47,060
working with the chair of the Historical Committee for that, a commission for that.

1442
02:13:47,860 --> 02:13:53,260
Other than that, the rest of this is really their surplus or it's so badly soiled that it can't

1443
02:13:53,260 --> 02:13:59,380
be used. In terms of shutting the building down, we

1444
02:14:03,700 --> 02:14:05,700
have scheduled replacement for the exit

1445
02:14:05,700 --> 02:14:11,240
lights that don't work, so that will bring us up to code compliance. We've shut down the area

1446
02:14:12,140 --> 02:14:18,320
that's here, that's going into the bottom floor, so these things become sort of a move point

1447
02:14:18,320 --> 02:14:23,060
although they're aesthetically not great. And we're going to spend a small amount of money

1448
02:14:23,060 --> 02:14:29,800
working with DPW to fix the fire escape. That should allow for the November election to take place

1449
02:14:29,800 --> 02:14:36,760
in a relatively safe environment and then from there we're going to have to have an actual

1450
02:14:36,760 --> 02:14:42,280
inspection on some of the other structures that are there and from there we'll bring

1451
02:14:42,280 --> 02:14:47,240
the report forward to the select board for a decision about whether it's used or not.

1452
02:14:47,700 --> 02:14:55,280
Our goal is to have the first floor where we do elections which it currently is safe with

1453
02:14:55,280 --> 02:14:59,760
Egress fully accessible, and we certainly will have that.

1454
02:15:01,440 --> 02:15:29,440
The last project that has been talked about prior to is the rehabilitation of the memorial school. So in January of 23, the reuse committee came forward with a design concept and a recommendation to demolish the building and make a large outdoor per billion. We had allocated about $100,000 in the capital budget.

1455
02:15:30,260 --> 02:15:33,380
to begin the construction drawings for that project,

1456
02:15:33,380 --> 02:15:35,280
but then those funds are reallocated

1457
02:15:35,280 --> 02:15:37,800
by the Select Board to the Forest Legacy Grant Program,

1458
02:15:38,100 --> 02:15:40,940
partially because that was a matching grant program

1459
02:15:40,940 --> 02:15:42,620
that was sort of once in a lifetime deal.

1460
02:15:42,880 --> 02:15:44,000
But the other part of that is,

1461
02:15:44,440 --> 02:15:46,900
we didn't have the money to bring construction drawings

1462
02:15:46,900 --> 02:15:50,020
through to fruition, so to spend $100,000

1463
02:15:50,020 --> 02:15:53,420
to push a lovely construction drawings on a shelf,

1464
02:15:53,420 --> 02:15:56,100
only to expire, didn't seem prudent.

1465
02:15:56,100 --> 02:16:04,920
So, but even that, the money that was present from the capital budget, it was from, it was

1466
02:16:04,920 --> 02:16:05,320
capital.

1467
02:16:05,820 --> 02:16:06,500
So it was in our book.

1468
02:16:06,840 --> 02:16:07,540
It was not our book.

1469
02:16:07,740 --> 02:16:07,960
Thank you.

1470
02:16:09,680 --> 02:16:17,140
So, for the debt plan, just specifically, what I just showed you in the, between the

1471
02:16:17,140 --> 02:16:21,500
library and the three budgets, I just, we captured here, Cheryl and I, and effectively,

1472
02:16:21,500 --> 02:16:29,580
Again, anything that you see in red is literally just a placeholder at an estimate, we're just trying to show the totality of this type of thing.

1473
02:16:30,320 --> 02:16:43,460
If the town were to pursue all of these endeavors, we would be at a place where we would have more than a million and a half in debt payments.

1474
02:16:44,360 --> 02:16:50,920
And that's based again on a 3% rate which I think as we are right now is very unlikely.

1475
02:16:50,920 --> 02:17:06,580
And so, you know, I understand and believe me, you know, I want to be able to say that we can do all of this, but I think, you know, going back to the initial slides, we really need a way to build this out over many more years.

1476
02:17:07,560 --> 02:17:15,420
And figure out how to, as payments drop off similar to what Ms. Rose was talking about, as payments come off, other ones go on.

1477
02:17:15,420 --> 02:17:20,840
And then when we get to those years where we say we're going to do something we need to do it

1478
02:17:20,840 --> 02:17:24,120
We need to not find a new project or a new initiative

1479
02:17:25,020 --> 02:17:28,580
And again, that's a policy decision by the policy making boards

1480
02:17:29,320 --> 02:17:36,280
Now if Scott is still on the line, these are the water enterprise projects and phases. Scott, are you still there?

1481
02:17:36,280 --> 02:17:37,220
which

1482
02:17:49,410 --> 02:17:51,410
are still our projects and phases

1483
02:17:55,700 --> 02:18:04,060
okay so McDonald and members of the

1484
02:18:04,060 --> 02:18:09,140
DPW Commission are far better to speak about this because all we received was

1485
02:18:09,140 --> 02:18:16,040
the request but when Cheryl and I cost it out what they were proposing for

1486
02:18:16,040 --> 02:18:23,200
borrowing what you would see here in water it has right about a

1487
02:18:23,200 --> 02:18:28,660
Crescendo effects starting in FY 30 that is at a rate for these particular

1488
02:18:29,980 --> 02:18:34,020
repayment schedules that the fund cannot sustain.

1489
02:18:36,300 --> 02:18:39,340
I thought they were going to be here, so that's about all I can tell you.

1490
02:18:39,820 --> 02:18:42,320
We can talk more about that when they can judge.

1491
02:18:47,270 --> 02:18:49,410
Could you just provide a total sub-total for

1492
02:18:49,410 --> 02:18:51,670
that category there when you update this?

1493
02:18:54,140 --> 02:18:56,620
Subtotal for sure. For the water enterprise kind of?

1494
02:18:56,680 --> 02:18:58,080
Yeah, for the water enterprise stuff.

1495
02:19:01,780 --> 02:19:02,260
No,

1496
02:19:06,950 --> 02:19:22,350
I don't think so. I mean, this will be the plan that is for you. You're all purpose. This is not the actual debt plan because, again, this assumes things that we don't have. But the proposed in FY26 is really what we're focused on.

1497
02:19:22,350 --> 02:19:25,150
and again the blue just shows debt falling off.

1498
02:19:25,650 --> 02:19:27,690
We don't really have a very good pattern

1499
02:19:27,690 --> 02:19:30,210
of debt falling off and then equal debt coming on.

1500
02:19:30,470 --> 02:19:32,410
So if that's something that we could decide

1501
02:19:33,030 --> 02:19:36,690
to start a pattern on, that would be preferred.

1502
02:19:37,910 --> 02:19:39,250
Any questions for Kate?

1503
02:19:39,610 --> 02:19:39,770
Dick?

1504
02:19:42,080 --> 02:19:42,480
Thank you.

1505
02:19:44,680 --> 02:19:44,960
Yeah.

1506
02:19:45,720 --> 02:19:50,420
So I'm all the projects, the library,

1507
02:19:51,160 --> 02:19:53,640
the memorial school, Old Town Hall.

1508
02:19:56,020 --> 02:19:59,380
I mean, memorial school, I don't think anything's actionable today.

1509
02:20:00,180 --> 02:20:06,400
The library is a very tough situation and we will have to navigate that, but I think

1510
02:20:06,400 --> 02:20:08,860
the biggest risk is tell home.

1511
02:20:09,880 --> 02:20:17,140
It's the biggest risk because I think it's the most debilitated and it is in moments of

1512
02:20:17,140 --> 02:20:17,760
high value.

1513
02:20:18,420 --> 02:20:25,100
And I don't think we have any plan over the next number of years to correct it.

1514
02:20:25,180 --> 02:20:27,220
It would be more to keep it afloat.

1515
02:20:27,360 --> 02:20:32,880
And I would like us the select board to start thinking about without a plan in place,

1516
02:20:33,240 --> 02:20:34,560
closing down Old Town Hall.

1517
02:20:35,340 --> 02:20:40,740
And the reason for that is because it holds our elections, and we need a plan for that.

1518
02:20:40,800 --> 02:20:46,540
What we can't have is October rolls around and something catastrophic happens and we can't

1519
02:20:46,540 --> 02:20:51,780
have our elections there. Now all of a sudden we have no plan. I think we need to prepare for that.

1520
02:20:52,880 --> 02:20:53,340
Thank you.

1521
02:20:54,080 --> 02:20:54,720
Thank you.

1522
02:20:55,320 --> 02:20:55,780
Okay, thanks.

1523
02:20:57,340 --> 02:20:58,340
Okay, thank you.

1524
02:20:58,920 --> 02:21:02,860
I mean I think what Kate just articulated is a plan for us to be able to have elections.

1525
02:21:03,760 --> 02:21:04,680
I think if we...

1526
02:21:04,680 --> 02:21:05,140
Is there that right?

1527
02:21:05,220 --> 02:21:07,040
Yes, I suppose it will look close to the paper.

1528
02:21:07,400 --> 02:21:09,700
I give you a chance. I give you a chance. Now I get my chance.

1529
02:21:10,680 --> 02:21:17,860
to have the election this November, it envisions cleaning out the basement level so we never

1530
02:21:17,860 --> 02:21:18,580
have to go down there.

1531
02:21:18,700 --> 02:21:20,000
There's no reason to go to the second floor.

1532
02:21:20,140 --> 02:21:26,120
So if we've secured the first floor for elections, yes, there's foundational issues, things

1533
02:21:26,120 --> 02:21:31,220
like that that need to be addressed, but unless barring someone saying it's going to fall

1534
02:21:31,220 --> 02:21:36,920
down around our ears in the next three years, I don't see this as big a concern.

1535
02:21:36,920 --> 02:21:44,820
and borrowing. We do those things that we've talked about. For that building I do think the library,

1536
02:21:45,380 --> 02:21:49,920
at least the shell of it and the root distribution is really important.

1537
02:21:51,340 --> 02:21:52,700
That McDonald's is on the call.

1538
02:21:53,080 --> 02:21:57,020
Is on. No, okay. But we're going to, we're now in other questions.

1539
02:21:57,020 --> 02:22:00,920
We'll go back to you in a second. Dick, you had a question and then Roy has a question.

1540
02:22:08,600 --> 02:22:10,240
Sorry. Go ahead, yep.

1541
02:23:34,580 --> 02:23:36,080
Multiple choice question to,

1542
02:24:15,600 --> 02:24:19,220
I don't disagree that if we're going

1543
02:24:19,220 --> 02:24:26,580
to be making a massive debt decision, what not, we need to include a larger conversation

1544
02:24:44,640 --> 02:24:52,260
There's a larger conversation about representative democracy and our responsibilities in it, but we can have that at a later time.

1545
02:24:52,260 --> 02:24:59,460
We're nearing, select board, quorum emergency, so we'll move on to any other, given anything.

1546
02:25:01,890 --> 02:25:06,810
I hear you, Jason, about, we face some tough decisions relative to the old town hall.

1547
02:25:07,570 --> 02:25:11,890
Old town hall is iconic and emblematic of Lancaster.

1548
02:25:13,090 --> 02:25:20,310
I'm concerned about, can we really fund the important things we need to do as a town?

1549
02:25:20,310 --> 02:25:26,890
the school. It seems like we're studying the school number one to the library. Do

1550
02:25:26,890 --> 02:25:32,390
we have the financial capacity to deal with what the old town hall is going to

1551
02:25:32,390 --> 02:25:38,090
cost? And I'm wondering somewhat like it seems to you like your question. If it's

1552
02:25:38,090 --> 02:25:42,010
clear that we're not going to be able to do it, we should stop that now and make it

1553
02:25:42,010 --> 02:25:47,910
clear. All right, and not throw good money after bad. So that's the question that

1554
02:25:50,350 --> 02:25:54,690
I'd like to point out there's not a massive project for the old town hall on the list.

1555
02:25:55,830 --> 02:25:59,230
For this year, but it's $8 million.

1556
02:25:59,490 --> 02:26:00,050
It's $8 million.

1557
02:26:01,990 --> 02:26:06,730
Just to reiterate the fear, again, the fear isn't about having a perfect building.

1558
02:26:07,250 --> 02:26:09,490
I can tell you the risk that I think we need to manage.

1559
02:26:09,850 --> 02:26:11,870
And it sounds like case managing isn't managing it.

1560
02:26:12,410 --> 02:26:16,650
Like, mold is sound, and we have no plan to recover before an election.

1561
02:26:16,650 --> 02:26:21,370
That is our Dean's day scenario, and that's what we have to mitigate that risk

1562
02:26:23,570 --> 02:26:24,090
Would

1563
02:26:29,780 --> 02:26:35,820
you like me to go back to the water slides the slides on

1564
02:26:57,470 --> 02:26:58,510
Sorry, you

1565
02:27:09,200 --> 02:27:11,760
can start talking anytime Scott when we'll get to the slide

1566
02:27:14,940 --> 02:27:18,120
The question is for you to present on the water enterprise projects

1567
02:27:18,120 --> 02:27:18,960
This

1568
02:27:56,810 --> 02:27:59,030
was waterline phase one completed.

1569
02:28:00,230 --> 02:28:02,510
It says the borrowing ends 2023.

1570
02:28:03,850 --> 02:28:04,590
Yes, yes.

1571
02:28:04,770 --> 02:28:05,610
Phase one and

1572
02:28:09,840 --> 02:28:11,520
phase two was 2017.

1573
02:28:15,180 --> 02:28:15,920
Over another 10 years.

1574
02:28:18,590 --> 02:28:19,230
And your problem.

1575
02:28:20,530 --> 02:28:23,730
Phase three is more or more than a month.

1576
02:28:30,380 --> 02:28:31,460
We'll piece the same bridge.

1577
02:28:32,400 --> 02:28:33,780
That's a great second bridge.

1578
02:28:36,210 --> 02:28:37,270
But that's

1579
02:28:45,720 --> 02:28:50,140
roughly 61 hundred feet of pipe rigging.

1580
02:28:55,990 --> 02:28:57,390
This is phase three.

1581
02:28:59,680 --> 02:29:00,140
Yeah.

1582
02:29:00,520 --> 02:29:00,660
Where?

1583
02:29:01,600 --> 02:29:03,460
One in two hundred in the neck room.

1584
02:29:04,140 --> 02:29:04,920
And it's the

1585
02:29:07,090 --> 02:29:09,670
proposal then that...

1586
02:29:13,350 --> 02:29:15,770
I'm trying to help you land a plan on what this proposal is.

1587
02:29:57,220 --> 02:29:58,840
This is what you should do.

1588
02:30:01,260 --> 02:30:26,500
The authorization for them to borrow $4 million is on the table. But the second part of that is... There won't be money to pay it off. What rate are they borrowing? What is the payback? Who approves the schedule of what's borrowed? And is there enough money in their balance to pay whatever the premium is?

1589
02:30:26,500 --> 02:30:33,420
So we did this just pro forma based on 3% because that's what we're doing the other ones

1590
02:30:33,420 --> 02:30:41,160
but Cheryl and I are not a securities like industry and so if in fact they're going to move forward

1591
02:30:41,160 --> 02:30:46,540
Scott knows that he's going to have to reach out to like hilltop securities or one of the other bonding agencies

1592
02:30:46,540 --> 02:30:52,720
and there was also a myriad of things that bond council wanted regarding the 4 million

1593
02:30:52,720 --> 02:30:55,660
and all of that comes after Tom Meade's vote.

1594
02:30:56,020 --> 02:30:59,200
So those are the things that need to happen.

1595
02:31:00,220 --> 02:31:00,700
Exactly.

1596
02:31:01,340 --> 02:31:02,740
And the board wants to work with it.

1597
02:31:02,880 --> 02:31:06,000
And it's like, boy, I can't find any committee on that.

1598
02:31:06,340 --> 02:31:09,620
And following the steps and proceed just correctly.

1599
02:31:10,500 --> 02:31:11,360
Let's go in.

1600
02:31:12,300 --> 02:31:15,820
Reason and race is one of the steps to go along with that.

1601
02:31:16,320 --> 02:31:20,000
In the past, the problem ran in the process

1602
02:31:20,000 --> 02:31:23,160
to raise the rates yearly based on inflation.

1603
02:31:23,760 --> 02:31:26,040
There's something we haven't been doing.

1604
02:31:26,960 --> 02:31:29,200
We went over that on the right here.

1605
02:31:30,300 --> 02:31:32,380
Which is an accurate business practice.

1606
02:31:32,940 --> 02:31:36,600
In the future, that is a plan to raise the rate yearly

1607
02:31:36,600 --> 02:31:39,400
to coincide with inflation,

1608
02:31:40,120 --> 02:31:43,580
and to coincide with the needed projects

1609
02:31:43,580 --> 02:31:46,600
we need to keep the water system upgraded

1610
02:31:49,760 --> 02:31:56,100
And if there is a projection of raised rates and early K. I haven't seen it.

1611
02:31:56,440 --> 02:32:01,140
All right, so it seems like we have some work to do before we can move this.

1612
02:32:05,180 --> 02:32:08,400
To be very clear, it seems you guys have work to do.

1613
02:32:08,940 --> 02:32:09,860
It's got not us.

1614
02:32:11,700 --> 02:32:19,040
All right, so Kate will give you a list of all the things that we need, but we need you to drill down on it.

1615
02:32:19,440 --> 02:32:20,020
Roy, a different question.

1616
02:32:20,040 --> 02:32:21,400
Just a quick comment here.

1617
02:32:21,600 --> 02:32:23,880
It seems to me the fundamental question is here.

1618
02:32:24,600 --> 02:32:30,340
What rates does the Enterprise Water Commission need to have to be able to fund this?

1619
02:32:30,860 --> 02:32:32,160
Right, and is that reasonable?

1620
02:32:32,360 --> 02:32:33,100
Those two questions.

1621
02:32:34,220 --> 02:32:38,480
That's fundamental, and then we can, if those make sense, the rest of it can be done.

1622
02:32:38,480 --> 02:32:41,260
But if those two don't make sense, we stop.

1623
02:32:41,540 --> 02:32:41,840
Agreed.

1624
02:32:44,280 --> 02:32:47,120
Which is where Eddie is working with some finance

1625
02:32:47,120 --> 02:32:49,600
in the select pool, and she comes in very handy.

1626
02:32:50,700 --> 02:32:52,920
Right, so great.

1627
02:32:53,200 --> 02:32:53,540
Thanks, Scott.

1628
02:32:55,180 --> 02:32:55,980
Thank you.

1629
02:32:57,100 --> 02:32:57,820
Anything else?

1630
02:32:58,300 --> 02:32:58,700
No, sir.

1631
02:32:59,060 --> 02:32:59,540
That's the end.

1632
02:33:00,080 --> 02:33:01,240
Now you can get excited.

1633
02:33:01,440 --> 02:33:03,080
Any action we need to take beyond.

1634
02:33:03,860 --> 02:33:05,520
This was a sort of brain conversation.

1635
02:33:06,460 --> 02:33:06,960
Yes.

1636
02:33:07,900 --> 02:33:08,240
OK.

1637
02:33:08,500 --> 02:33:08,860
Sorry.

1638
02:33:09,120 --> 02:33:09,320
I know.

1639
02:33:09,320 --> 02:33:09,820
Thank you.

1640
02:33:10,160 --> 02:33:15,120
Well, are you all prepared to give some measure feedback

1641
02:33:15,120 --> 02:33:17,440
on the actual cash capital?

1642
02:33:18,680 --> 02:33:20,120
The $898,000?

1643
02:33:20,440 --> 02:33:24,200
Well, it's really six because the other is $250,000.

1644
02:33:25,000 --> 02:33:25,020
Right.

1645
02:33:27,200 --> 02:33:29,120
I mean, to me, all of those projects

1646
02:33:29,120 --> 02:33:31,100
seemed we needed to do.

1647
02:33:32,040 --> 02:33:33,680
So I am inclined to support them.

1648
02:33:36,200 --> 02:33:39,200
So given that, the next steps would be for us.

1649
02:33:39,200 --> 02:33:46,660
I'm just telling you so so you don't have to think you're citing on the dot of mine here the next steps would be for us to build that out and actually

1650
02:33:47,780 --> 02:33:50,480
Have that as the capital outlay for you all

1651
02:33:51,460 --> 02:33:52,320
Build away

1652
02:33:53,820 --> 02:33:55,400
Dick you have any problem about

1653
02:34:00,760 --> 02:34:03,140
Yeah, just we're gonna ask Kate to build out

1654
02:34:04,300 --> 02:34:04,740
that

1655
02:34:05,700 --> 02:34:08,480
800 really 650,000 and

1656
02:34:12,220 --> 02:34:13,580
Projects we discussed at the very beginning

1657
02:34:14,180 --> 02:34:15,440
For us to consider

1658
02:34:21,380 --> 02:34:23,100
Give me one second we

1659
02:34:26,710 --> 02:34:26,850
get

1660
02:34:27,050 --> 02:34:32,630
so we're just asking her to give us more information yeah

1661
02:34:34,940 --> 02:34:36,520
we're just

1662
02:34:39,110 --> 02:34:40,210
no I

1663
02:34:40,210 --> 02:34:42,790
know I hit I'll like I'm

1664
02:34:46,080 --> 02:34:56,640
sorry yeah that's

1665
02:35:00,960 --> 02:35:02,360
it that's it that's it

1666
02:35:07,040 --> 02:35:14,220
that's it

1667
02:35:14,220 --> 02:35:20,920
So at this point, our joint meeting has come to an end sadly for all of us, so we ask the

1668
02:35:20,920 --> 02:35:22,180
Finance Committee to adjourn your meeting.

1669
02:35:22,740 --> 02:35:27,600
I will make a motion to adjourn the Finance Committee meeting, 832, yeah.

1670
02:35:28,060 --> 02:35:28,440
Second.

1671
02:35:43,460 --> 02:35:44,020
Yes.

1672
02:35:45,000 --> 02:35:45,100
Yes.

1673
02:35:45,560 --> 02:35:46,460
Thank you very much.

1674
02:35:46,960 --> 02:35:47,200
Thank you.

1675
02:35:47,200 --> 02:35:48,980
Thank you very much.

1676
02:35:50,500 --> 02:35:51,060
Whatever.

1677
02:35:51,420 --> 02:35:52,300
Thanks for having us.

1678
02:35:52,860 --> 02:35:53,600
It's plenty.

1679
02:35:54,540 --> 02:36:00,440
I've never putting up with you. I always love and enjoy our time together. So no worries. Thank you, sir.

1680
02:36:03,040 --> 02:36:04,940
We're going to take a brief five minute recess.

1681
02:36:09,780 --> 02:36:10,360
So

1682
02:39:21,280 --> 02:39:25,980
the first one, Lancaster Affordable Housing Trust's open nine-spire term, the

1683
02:39:27,700 --> 02:39:35,640
candidates, Kristen Reiner, for a term to expire 630-26. The term actually expires 630-25.

1684
02:39:35,640 --> 02:39:37,260
is there a motion?

1685
02:39:37,560 --> 02:39:40,720
The two-point person, Brian, are determined to expire 630-25

1686
02:39:40,720 --> 02:39:42,180
for the delay in Caster 4.

1687
02:39:42,880 --> 02:39:44,300
Second, any discussion?

1688
02:39:46,280 --> 02:39:47,060
Olden favorite.

1689
02:39:47,480 --> 02:39:47,500
Hi.

1690
02:39:47,860 --> 02:39:47,980
Hi.

1691
02:39:49,400 --> 02:39:51,740
Next, Community Preservation Committee member,

1692
02:39:51,900 --> 02:39:54,660
large-term to expire 630-2024.

1693
02:39:55,280 --> 02:39:57,640
Two candidates, Michael King, Linneal, Lincoln, and Survey.

1694
02:39:58,320 --> 02:40:01,200
The two-point, Michael King, Community Preservation Committee,

1695
02:40:01,400 --> 02:40:03,900
a member of large-term to expire 630-2024.

1696
02:40:04,380 --> 02:40:05,280
Second, any discussion?

1697
02:40:07,020 --> 02:40:08,340
Hearing none, all is in favor.

1698
02:40:09,560 --> 02:40:14,280
Next is the Stanley Lancaster Community Television Lancaster representative John Ladou to

1699
02:40:14,280 --> 02:40:17,260
the Board of Directors, termed to expire September 27th.

1700
02:40:17,320 --> 02:40:18,560
This is a reappointment.

1701
02:40:18,740 --> 02:40:23,060
Yes, moved to reappoints, starting Lancaster Community Television Lancaster representative John

1702
02:40:23,060 --> 02:40:26,280
Ladou to the Board of Directors, termed to expire September 27th.

1703
02:40:27,420 --> 02:40:29,000
Second, all on discussion.

1704
02:40:29,880 --> 02:40:30,500
All is in favor.

1705
02:40:32,300 --> 02:40:38,240
license is in permits. I move to allow special one-day liquor license application

1706
02:40:38,240 --> 02:40:39,000
for your line.

1707
02:40:39,280 --> 02:40:43,140
Application name is Jesse Tarbel, organization's Sterling Street Brewery, event address

1708
02:40:43,140 --> 02:40:49,740
one, three, two, four pond in road Lancaster, event purpose, bicycles, battling cancer, event

1709
02:40:49,740 --> 02:40:55,000
date nine, 22, 24, event hours, 10 a.m. to 6 p.m.

1710
02:40:55,000 --> 02:41:02,660
second discussion on favor I moved to approve application for use of town

1711
02:41:02,660 --> 02:41:07,100
green gazebo activity annual PTSD walk for awareness sponsor American

1712
02:41:07,100 --> 02:41:13,040
lesion post 96 Lancaster MA date and time Saturday September 28th 2024 from

1713
02:41:13,040 --> 02:41:20,180
2 to 4 p.m. Second I was in favor I moved to approve the application for use of

1714
02:41:20,180 --> 02:41:22,620
of Town, Dream, Casibo, Activity, Halloween, and Green.

1715
02:41:22,940 --> 02:41:25,920
2024, Responsor, Lancaster Recreation Committee.

1716
02:41:26,320 --> 02:41:29,840
Dayton Time, Sunday, October 27th, 2024,

1717
02:41:30,260 --> 02:41:32,420
from 4.30 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.

1718
02:41:32,700 --> 02:41:32,920
Second.

1719
02:41:33,400 --> 02:41:35,080
I'll ask a question on paper.

1720
02:41:35,180 --> 02:41:35,260
Hi.

1721
02:41:35,900 --> 02:41:38,600
I move to approve application for Town License

1722
02:41:38,600 --> 02:41:41,300
for Entertainment on Sundays, name of concern.

1723
02:41:42,080 --> 02:41:43,340
Lancaster Recreation Committee,

1724
02:41:43,680 --> 02:41:46,520
Street Address of Concern, 39 Harbour Moon Lancaster,

1725
02:41:46,980 --> 02:41:48,700
Contact Person Thomas Wood, Chair,

1726
02:41:48,700 --> 02:41:56,780
event Halloween on the green 2024 dates and times Sunday October 27th 2024 from 4.30 p.m. to 7.30 p.m.

1727
02:41:56,920 --> 02:41:58,620
Second, any discussion, all in favor?

1728
02:41:58,940 --> 02:42:04,900
I move to approve special one-day liquor license application. Be your mind. Applicants name Jesse Tarball,

1729
02:42:05,080 --> 02:42:11,000
organizations to entry brewery, event address of 7.01 Main Street Lancaster, event purpose, Halloween on the green,

1730
02:42:11,000 --> 02:42:16,780
event day, 10, 27, 20, 24, event hours, 4 p.m. to 9 p.m.

1731
02:42:17,100 --> 02:42:19,060
Second, an instructional endeavor.

1732
02:42:19,260 --> 02:42:19,640
I have time.

1733
02:42:20,240 --> 02:42:23,000
I move to approve the application for town license

1734
02:42:23,000 --> 02:42:24,780
or entertainment on weekdays and Sundays.

1735
02:42:25,260 --> 02:42:25,820
Name of concern.

1736
02:42:26,180 --> 02:42:28,100
Fiesta shows street address of concern.

1737
02:42:28,960 --> 02:42:31,940
318, 7 bridge road, contact person.

1738
02:42:32,440 --> 02:42:35,420
EJ Dean, Rose Darden, event 5th.

1739
02:42:35,420 --> 02:42:38,020
Holiday, holiday, light show, drive through

1740
02:42:38,020 --> 02:42:45,620
and then cast your fairgrounds, operating dates November 29th, 2024 to January 5th, 2024.

1741
02:42:46,020 --> 02:42:46,180
5.

1742
02:42:46,620 --> 02:42:47,040
I'm assuming.

1743
02:42:47,700 --> 02:42:48,820
January 5th, 2025.

1744
02:42:48,880 --> 02:42:49,440
Thank you.

1745
02:42:49,580 --> 02:42:58,400
We'll share operating hours Monday through Thursday, 5 p.m. to 10 p.m. Friday, Sunday, and holidays, 5 p.m. to 11 p.m.

1746
02:42:58,540 --> 02:42:59,280
Second, any discussion?

1747
02:42:59,560 --> 02:42:59,900
All in favor?

1748
02:43:00,120 --> 02:43:01,580
All right.

1749
02:43:01,720 --> 02:43:02,120
Communications.

1750
02:43:02,420 --> 02:43:06,280
There will be a special time meeting to be held on Monday, October 7th, 2024.

1751
02:43:06,280 --> 02:43:10,820
four, starting at 7 p.m. at Mary Rollins Elementary School Auditorium, town offices will

1752
02:43:10,820 --> 02:43:15,580
be closed on Monday, October 14th, 2024, in terms of Indigenous Peoples' Day slash

1753
02:43:15,580 --> 02:43:16,120
Columbus Day.

1754
02:43:16,800 --> 02:43:20,600
The next select board meeting will actually take place, I believe, at 6 p.m. just before

1755
02:43:20,600 --> 02:43:21,680
the special time meeting, yes?

1756
02:43:22,520 --> 02:43:22,920
Yes.

1757
02:43:23,140 --> 02:43:23,280
Yes.

1758
02:43:23,720 --> 02:43:26,800
And then the one after that will be Monday, October 21st.

1759
02:43:26,880 --> 02:43:32,260
So the next one will be Monday, October 7th at 6 p.m. in the Mary Rollins Elementary School

1760
02:43:32,260 --> 02:43:36,260
Auditorium, and the one after that will be held on Monday, October 24th.

1761
02:43:38,480 --> 02:43:47,100
We are going to move into executive session and not convene an open session thereafter for, I believe, just the first.

1762
02:43:47,640 --> 02:43:49,660
Okay, so I move to enter executive session.

1763
02:43:50,100 --> 02:43:54,860
The select order will meet in executive session, pursuant to MGL, chapter 3A, 21A.

1764
02:43:54,860 --> 02:44:01,260
Prophecy is I, purpose three, to discuss strategy with respect to litigation in the matter of town of Lancaster plaintiff.

1765
02:44:01,900 --> 02:44:05,880
First, Heather Lennon, Richard Belinger, and Lancaster Historical Society Defendants.

1766
02:44:06,040 --> 02:44:12,300
First, Lancaster Historical Society, Counterclaim Plaintiffs, versus Steve Carrigan and Jason Allison.

1767
02:44:12,680 --> 02:44:23,580
Counterclaim Defendants, as the chair has determined a discussion and open session, would have a detrimental effect of the town's litigation position, and not to reconvene in open session that happened.

1768
02:44:23,980 --> 02:44:24,280
Second.

1769
02:44:24,680 --> 02:44:25,920
I'll listen to a favour of convening.

1770
02:44:26,620 --> 02:44:27,700
Moving into executive session.

1771
02:44:27,840 --> 02:44:28,560
Second, we'll have to say hi.

1772
02:44:28,740 --> 02:44:28,880
Hi.

1773
02:44:29,720 --> 02:44:31,060
We are going to executive session.

1774
02:44:31,200 --> 02:44:31,940
Thank you all very much.