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Good evening, everyone. As corporate officer, I call this meeting to order.

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For the information of the public, Councillor Spock is joining us online while Councillors Morley and Barry and Merrick McMenson are unable to attend.

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Due to the absence of the mayor and acting mayor and pursuant to the council procedure by law, the members present must choose a chair for tonight's meeting.

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So at this time, I will ask for a motion to appoint one of the members in chambers as chair.

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Thank you all, move the Council of Point, Councillor Your Couture is chair for this evening.

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Oh second.

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Any discussion?

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All those in favor?

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Motion carries.

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Councillor, you two too, you are now chair.

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Thank you everyone for bearing with that procedural aid on there.

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So that time of year, I guess there's been sickness going around, is my assumption with that.

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We'll move on to item two, which is our territory acknowledgment.

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Councillor Harder, could I have our territory acknowledgment, please?

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Thank you chair.

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The city of Langford sits upon the traditional territories of the co-saleish peoples.

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The waspsum, songies, and sheeninations.

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As well as the wasshanish peoples represented by the start-lip,

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kitchen, sail, seek from Malhap for nations.

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We thank them for sharing this beautiful land.

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Thank you very much, General.

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Would this want more for the meeting conference?

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Thank you very much. I can have a motion to approve the agenda.

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Thank you chair Almyw, if that council approve the agenda is presented.

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It will second.

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Thank you very much. And if there's no discussion, I'll call the question on that. All in favor.

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And any opposed?

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That carries.

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We're bringing this on to item 5.

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Public participation. We'll start off in the gallery here if anyone would like to speak to any item on the agenda.

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And we can get started with that.

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Seeing no one at this time in the gallery, I will move online.

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And I do see one hand raised online there, so I'll hand that over to let them in.

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I'll pizzervurn through, please omit yourself in the app.

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Provides your first initial last name or municipality of residence for the record and indicate which item items on the agenda you wish to speak to.

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Can you hear me there?

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We sure can.

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Okay, I'm sorry. I just missed the very beginning there of the opening.

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Are we talking about the proposal of rezoning on Sunderland Road?

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Any matters on the agenda, so that would be the you're talking about the bylaw.

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For the rezoning application.

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Yeah, go ahead.

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Okay.

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My name is Vurn True owner of the future orphan law that 2626 Sunderland Road, Langford BC.

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I've been a willing seller since day one on this project.

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In October of 2023, this mayor and council promised to never orphan another property in Langford again.

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Yeah, here we are.

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January 19, 2025, the sustainability committee recommended that no action to be taken by council.

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Two weeks later, council is ready to move this project forward without further consultation after the developer wrote a letter to the city.

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Find it kind of fishy.

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If that's the threshold for moving forward, the man do I ever have a show stop for for you.

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I'm currently on vacation in Australia.

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I've had to reschedule my life yet again to bring by concerns forward.

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As I've been doing now for the past two years with the city and four years with this developer.

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To be very clear, I am all four development in Langford as long as it is done in a sustainable fashion.

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The reason that I oppose this application are as follows.

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Number one, this will be another failed project.

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Number two, we already have two failed projects on Pete road.

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Do we really need a third?

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Number three, one of the members of this original group has already declared bankruptcy.

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Number four, the maintenance proposal for these properties is a bribe to achieve rezoning on a project that they have no plans on starting, let alone completing.

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Number five, we only need to look at the track record of the past four years to see the intent.

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They can't even be bothered to respond to me about the replacement of our joining fence.

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It was installed 18 years ago and has suffered increased rot due to lack of maintenance of prickled bushes on their side of a fence.

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Number six, my property value has been destroyed.

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Number seven, the proposed public space atop the parking that borders my property will not only take away all of my privacy and enjoyment in my backyard.

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It will increase the height of the parkated cells at intent to 15 feet of height.

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So it's going to be 60 feet in height and 85 feet in length.

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This will create an intolerable heat sink to my property and steal any morning sun.

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In closing, the city has made it clear.

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They cannot force the developer to buy a property.

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However, the developer cannot force the city to rezone theirs.

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There is no legal recourse for voting no tonight.

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If you truly care for the citizens of Langford, you will vote no to this rezoning application.

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If you don't care, and it's only about your legacy as a mayor or counselor, you will vote you through.

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If you could just finish up, we are just over time here, but thank you.

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This will be a deciding factor when the citizens of Langford go to the polls in October.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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Do we have any other members online at this time?

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See, no other hands raised.

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I'll look back to the gallery for a last call.

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Oh, I do see another hand raised online.

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I will let best up.

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Well, if when user ending in 417, please press star 6 on the telephone keypad to unmute.

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Write your first initial last name.

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The municipality of residents and item are items on the agenda that you wish to speak to.

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Please.

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Let's go.

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It's Larry March speaking.

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Go ahead.

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Okay.

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Yes.

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Yes. We live in Langford.

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You know, we've been here about eight months now.

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I'm looking at the density of this project.

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And it seems pretty high for this location on 22 stories.

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For one of the buildings is a death.

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Two high-adents and I'm wondering how the traffic is going to be coordinated on Pete Road.

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Has it been any traffic studies done or traffic analysis done for the series?

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It's pretty bad right now.

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And it's just going to get worse, especially accessing on Pete Road or Sunderland Drive or Sunderland Road.

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So that's kind of just my concerns right now.

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I believe the density is too high and I can of course the application at this point.

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I just think it's too much for this area.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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And I see we have another user online there.

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Thank you.

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Hello, can you hear me?

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Yes, we can.

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We've been 26 30 Sunderland Road.

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The house right close to the open not.

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I want to speak about of course the development you are obviously going to prove from what I understand.

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I just wanted to let you know that we will do a freedom of information request,

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requesting the exchange between the city and the developer.

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Because I want to see exactly the reason why the city changed their mind on this development.

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At the last meeting there was absolutely no rush to prove this development.

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Until there is a clear plan on endorsing on enforcing the maintenance plan.

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It is obviously not enforced right now and you showed us from past experience that you have no way to enforce anything regarding developers.

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So I would like to have like a clearance where on how are you going to enforce the maintenance plan and how are you going to make sure our property value is not going to decrease.

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And how my life in this neighborhood is not going to get worse.

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Today I have to work my daughter down the street in the morning because of sketchy people living in the empty houses.

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If you go down the path there is there is literally trash on the lots which is unsafe for my kids.

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My kids found drugs in this path just because developers destroyed our neighborhood.

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So what are you going to do to keep our kids safe?

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And for us to be happy to live in this neighborhood it becomes a disaster.

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I'm ashamed of inviting people because of what it looks like.

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So please give us transparency and I sense some email.

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I had some answers.

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I want more than that.

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I want to see your exchanges with the developers and I want to make sure the decision are taken in good faith.

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And in the best interest of the main court citizen.

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Thank you, LA.

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Can we just get your last name for the record please?

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Then it's DA entity.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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Hi anyone else for public participation at this time either online or in the gallery.

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Well thank you very much everybody.

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With no other hand raised I will follow public participation to a close.

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This moves us on to the consent agenda.

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Can I have a motion for council to adopt the recommendations of the consent agenda?

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I'll move that council adopt the recommendations for each item of the consent agenda as presented.

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Second.

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Thank you very much.

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And I'll call the question all of favor.

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And any opposed.

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That carries.

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We'll move on into item eight.

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We have our committee resolutions.

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First up is 8.1 committee advisory committee.

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And that is 8.1.

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The west shore RCMP annual report.

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Thank you chair.

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I'll move that.

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Council received the 2025 west shore RCMP annual report for influence on.

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Second.

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Thank you very much.

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Any motivation on this?

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Yeah.

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Springfully.

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Yeah.

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Thank you chair.

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Community advisory committee did have the opportunity to.

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Receive this last week when it was presented by Superintendent Glesby.

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Really appreciative of Superintendent Glesby for making himself available and being.

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Great generous with this time.

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Just in responding to the committee's questions.

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I'll note that the committee was quite complementary on this year's report.

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Just noting the level of detail and spatial analysis that was presented in contrast to some of the previous years.

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So a lot of gratitude for that.

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And just recognizing his new role in the community.

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And I think he's been on in the role for about two weeks now.

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It was really great to have him here in chambers.

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Nothing further for me. Thank you and Councillor Wigner. Yes, thank you. I don't know a lot to add. It was great to hear from the new superintendent and appreciate the conversation that the committee had.

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That's quite interesting and informative. So also the report had quite a few interesting visuals and statistics. So it's worth a read for people that are interested.

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And the previous council meeting we did get an introduction from the superintendent as well.

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For people that might be interested in knowing a little bit about his background. So that's all I have.

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Thank you very much. All uh, while the question on that motion, all in favor.

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And any opposed?

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That carries. We'll move on to item 8.1.2 application for an extended area of operation for the liquor primary license.

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I'll move that council direct staff to inform the liquor and cannabis regulation branch that the city of Langford will opt out of the public notification for the application to extend the area of operation.

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For an existing liquor primary license for the log has pub located at 2323 mill stream road.

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And I can second.

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Thank you and any motivation on this item.

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Yeah, so similarly straightforward for this item. The applicant is just looking to expand their services into a glass to area.

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So just essentially expanding the patio.

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Committee had no concerns and they were quite excited to see as well that this area was friendly.

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So felt no need to opt into the process and typically this is something that is covered in provincial realm. So I don't think there was any concerns of the committee level.

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Thank you very much. And anything to add to council.

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Yeah, not really. I guess I'm sort of a housekeeping item in a way. We've seen this kind of application before where we have often out.

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Love the public notification as long as there were no concerns. So as we didn't hear any.

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And in fact, there was some positive comments. I feel comfortable.

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Thank you. And I do see council spot on mine.

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Thank you chair. I just have a question probably through you to planning or who never would be dealing with form and character around the fence.

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And I'm just wondering how much say we have on that.

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It says that a picket fence will go in place there.

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And I'm wondering about the look of that the maintenance of it, the ongoingness of it.

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And then favor of the recommendation, but I am concerned about the materials that will be used and how this will appear.

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If I could just check in on that.

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Yeah, I think you can respond for that question.

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I don't believe it's entirely germane to the actual agenda item on hand is this is just about opting out of the liquor license.

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But that has definitely a great question, but it's better suited to it under four on.

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Thanks chair. I'll check with staff separately. Thanks.

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Thank you very much.

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With that, I will call the question on 8.1.2 all in favor.

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And any opposed.

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That carries.

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I will move on to item 8.1.3. This is by law number 2265 for the lingered station.

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Yes, I'll move that council, consider giving first second and third reading to the lingered station by law number 2265 2026.

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Then I can second.

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Thank you.

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It was great to have this item brought to committee.

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Really just taking the opportunity to review our by laws and around the cultural district on station avenue now that about four years of past since it first opened.

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The committee had a really great discussion just surrounding the merits of updating the current regulations, the permitting guidelines and the view model.

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And there was some comments as well noted at committee.

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Just regarding some additional opportunities that south look forward through this update in.

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Presenting some opportunities to advance our reconciliation initiative at the city.

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By encouraging greater indigenous participation and finding some creative ways to connect the community with local makers and artists.

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So I was really happy to see this coming forward and be supporting it.

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Thank you very much, any other comments from this item.

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I just have a question about just the I guess through the chair to staff about the fee structure and the idea that we wouldn't increase it regularly every year as a way of just making sure we don't fall behind.

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I just would like a little bit more information about that.

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Through the chair. Thank you for the question.

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It's lofted review this as the CPI increase was added after a year or so after the length of the station open.

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And upon reflection and looking at the pricing of the units and how they are creeping up.

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Given that the district isn't yet where we'd like to see it in terms of footsteps and the vendors being busy are throughout the week and also year around.

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We didn't want to see those prices escalating beyond reach.

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Entrepreneurs that are there because it would essentially take away the intent of what we're trying to do and we're just not there yet.

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So we just felt that it was better to keep it like the fixed rate and set of.

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Having them go up.

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Over here.

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Thank you just a quick follow up then.

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It sounds like it's just a very evolving dynamic situation still and it's pretty fantastic.

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But we're looking for more regular foot traffic.

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So I guess I was thinking the staff time of looking at it every year might be more than a regular increase but it seems that may be.

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Your ability to assess the situation needed might prevent a business from leaving which would you know for trying to fill a station I can see that being quite a bit of work as well.

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So is that part of how you factor just retaining those businesses.

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Yeah thanks for the question to the chair we don't anticipate seeing the rates going up.

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I would say at least the next three years we are still in a building phase and although we have seen a lot of interest.

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And vendors like I've shared with the committee have actually grown up and have scaled up at the district from ten foot to twenty foot and recently the clinical move to working order.

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Is this in line for which is a great success story.

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So we want to keep nurturing that and we just feel within the next three years then we could re-evaluate.

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For now we don't see us needing to evaluate this on an annual basis.

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Thank you that's helpful appreciate the extra information.

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Thank you very much I'll call the question on this item all in favor.

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And anyone opposed.

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That carries unanimously thank you.

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Last committee advisory.

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The advisory committee resolution we have by law number two two three nine and two two one two the animal control by laws.

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Thank you chair before I bring a motion forward on this one actually we did have some discussion at the committee and I was wondering if I could ask a question three is staff.

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Please do.

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Thank you through.

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During the committee there was an amendment brought forward and at the time I believe that there were some questions that staff may have wanted to get back to the committee with with a more full some response.

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I'm just wondering if staff have had the opportunity to provide a more full some response to what was discussed to committee.

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Thank you chair through you.

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So we have had a chance to look at this and and it is actually something that was quite carefully considered when we were drafting the by law.

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So there is a regulation and it's called the spheres of current jurisdiction environment and wildlife regulation and under that.

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The city to regulate prohibit and impose requirements respecting the feeding or attracting of dangerous wildlife or members of the family survey which is the dear family.

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However, it's important to note that under the provincial wildlife act general regulation.

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It states at section 23.01 one a person commits an offense if the person intentionally bates or feeds a turkey or an ungulate within 200 meters of a dwelling school yard or playground in region one.

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Region one is all of anchor violent and dear or members of the ungulate family so now you've all had a biology lesson today.

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And so yes, we could put in a regulation.

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However, the province has already done that they've created an offense under the offense at.

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And we've reviewed some of the other.

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By laws in the region.

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For example, a big for is is a person must not intentionally feed or leave food out for the purpose of feeding dear.

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Oak base is that a person shall not feed among other animals dear.

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A squimals is no person shall intentionally feed or leave out food for the purpose of feeding wildlife in there they include dear so.

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It's basically a duplication of what the provincial.

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Prohibition yes.

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So I'll let Lauren Fetcher speak to the potential impact on staffing resources if this were to be added.

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But for the purposes of prohibiting it, that's already been done by provincial legislation.

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Thank you, and to carry on through the chair.

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During the committee meeting, I did make the the comment or the note note that.

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Should this bylaw amendment be made or to the proposed bylaw.

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The impacts on staffing or the requirements for staffing based on complaints.

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Would be significant something as simple as growing flowers in your in your front yard is effectively an attractive for dear I know that I've got dear in my own yard and so.

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You know the the bylaw itself may with that include and make create unintentionally of course.

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I'm just a man's on city staff and we as it is now we are keeping up we don't want to be raised with the added.

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Publication because the public will complain and we will have to address those complaints.

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Thank you very much before we have a motion just given what we have heard tonight we have any questions from council on this item.

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Thank you to the chair.

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Okay, so this is quite a bit of new information. Thank you very much for that filling me in there I guess I'm wondering about the dangerous aspect of dear.

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So yes, we don't want to have the meeting our flowers and things so maybe people can fence it off or what have you but.

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New blocks are quite aggressive or other times, you know, maybe dear little cubes so I'm just wondering if they are considered.

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Are they are they listed as in just a with this provincial legislation, would there be I guess enough teeth to that for any specific.

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Tack or you know through some area where they're repeated Lee having an aggressive year to have that dealt with properly.

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Sorry, I think I might have caused some confusion so under the environment and wildlife regulation that is under the community charter.

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They've just said out what that we can regulate prohibit and impose requirements.

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With respect to dangerous wildlife which are specifically defined animals or members of the family survey which are dear so it's not.

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I didn't intend to convey that dear are considered dangerous wildlife there to separate things is just that those are the wildlife that we can regulate under that regulation.

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Okay, sorry, that does help clear that like a little bit one more probably we're done in question but just trying to get really clear on this but is there.

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If there's a problem with dear who do people call.

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That would be the provincial conservation service.

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Thank you.

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Any other questions at this time.

328
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No questions thank you chair. I will move in the committee motion as read in.

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I'll move that council consider getting first second and third reading to city of Langford animal responsibility by law number two two three nine twenty twenty six.

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That the addition of and dear following dangerous wildlife under part four section twenty two.

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To read twenty two a person must not feed any dangerous wildlife or dear or provide dangerous wildlife or dear access to food for any other edible substance.

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And that council consider giving first second and third reading to city of Langford animal control miscellaneous and ending by law number two two one two twenty twenty six.

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Thank you and we have a second for that.

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Second for discussion. Thank you very much. Councilor who can more to be.

335
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Thank you. I have brought it forward just recognizing the will of committee.

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To be honest, I do feel a little bit torn about this and I recognize will be debating by law so.

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I will keep my comments short at this point. I just wanted to make sure that the will of the committee would reflect it at this table for the discussion.

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Thank you.

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I'm sorry for waiting any follow up.

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I guess one more question through the chair to snap if I might just to be clear on the process then.

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There will be opportunities to look into the further and then have another debate with council when it comes back as a.

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I love.

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It's held on the agenda later tonight as dialogue nine point or under by loss is nine.

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That's what I was afraid of. I'm like when am I going to be.

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I will see them. Thank you, though, this further. So I guess at this time, we're just looking at it as a resolution. And so I will have to hold on to those other thoughts. Perhaps they'll be more discussion coming later.

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Thank you. If I may to staff on the side of my deal with a question, I just came up as I was going through this.

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Hearing that, dear are already covered underneath the provincial wildlife act. And so there's the recommendation to deal with the CEOs and the province for that side.

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I'm just wondering how that relates to the entirety of part four. I believe that'd be second twenty of the bylaw then, which is entirely with respect to feeding or attracting dangerous wildlife.

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Thank you through the chair. So given the nature of dangerous wildlife, given that we don't want bears wandering our streets and that they are more likely to.

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What just rub garbage, for example, and getting to a staff believe and tree. We've had talks, presentations to this council from I believe the organization is called bear wise.

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Given the this variety and the the potential.

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We believe that that regulating dangerous wildlife is a good use of our staff resources and education and making sure that people are not attracting.

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Or doing anything to continue the attraction. Whereas.

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Beer are not nervous as much of a safety risk to the public.

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Thank you very much. I can start a rough visually.

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Thank you through you. I actually do have a question just rising from the discussion. I'm not sure if bylaw would have a comment to this question, but do we have a sense of how much enforcement recurrently performing on on complaints related to wildlife.

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Through the chair.

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At present.

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Our primary source of concern around any type of wildlife is very specifically around bears.

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And I have to say those complaints come in typically in the spring when bears are coming out or more into the fall when they're there.

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But it's basically around trying to sign up for the winter.

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But throughout the year.

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Lankford does has what have it share of beer. Sorry, bear complaints.

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There are very few deer complaints specifically.

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I would say that probably my chosen has far more air concerns.

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Excuse me, the length for it has.

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Hopefully that helps answer the question.

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Thank you. I would have a follow up and this is putting on the spot.

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So I recognize if you don't have response at this time.

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Is there a sense of how many conservation officers are currently patrolling or serving the link for the area?

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Yep. Through the chair.

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My understanding is that Vancouver Island is serviced by at least five conservation officers.

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And those people do travel down the island.

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Of course primarily on the basis of incoming complaints from the public and through the wrap line.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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On that I will call the question on this committee resolution is read in all in favor.

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And any opposed?

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Not carries. Thank you.

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We're moving on to section nine now of the agenda.

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We have nine point one by law number two one four six.

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And I think probably the best way is we move into bylaws here.

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My apologies.

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You're going to be to start off to see if we have any questions that any member of council has with respect to these.

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And then once we go on through some questions move on to entertaining a resolution at that point in time.

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And Councilor Wigner I do see your light first.

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Thank you.

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We did hear quite a few questions come up from the public.

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I guess it'll will pick a couple that I think are crucial in the task for another speaker.

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Would staff through the chair could staff remind us about what was done for the graphic analysis.

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It's been in many weeks and even months that we've been debating this.

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There was a traffic impact assessment, but and also we're doing a transportation plan.

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So this is a very complex situation.

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If you could comment on that.

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Through the chair, yes, there was a complete traffic impact assessment completed for this property prior to rezoning.

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We had to pass the high threshold of being approved not only by the engineering department here at City of Langford,

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but also the Ministry of Transportation and Transit and that was just the first step in that process.

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Of course with this rezoning being deferred until after the OCP or the official community plan was adopted.

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That gave staff the opportunity to take the density from the OCP and put it into our traffic model as we are currently working on our transportation master plan.

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So not only were we able to have the information of what the immediate impact of this development would be, say, on the nearest.

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Lesson or so intersections, which is kind of the scope of the.

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It's the graphic impact assessment that's done is done on a finer scope and everybody was always worried about what's the broader impact of all of these developments combined what's the compounding effect.

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And we were able to take the density that the projected potential density based on the OCP and our housing needs assessment target.

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That into our traffic model and anticipate what the impact is on those in your by intersections and of course we have done two phases of public engagement as far.

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And we're at the point now in the transportation master plan that we can confidently say and as you've seen through the presentations from what that there's no significant amount of.

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Road widening meeting that we don't need to for lane heat roads in order for the density in our downtown core the work of course as per the.

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OCP and all of our different policies around transportation there does need to be mode shift and we do need to prioritize.

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The different modes of of transportation are listed in the hierarchy of of transportation in the OCP.

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But through the resolution as you can see we were just able to confirm what came out of the TI which was that Pete road the offshoot of Pete road needs to be connected through to the bill.

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And we heard from community.

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You know that this provides some relief to that community that's already feeling like it's hard to take a left turn out of that intersection already.

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So the intersections of Pete road and Pete road and I know they're the same name but that is that there's an intersection just across from the fire hall there we where we have a parking right for BC transit.

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And that will connect through to the bill or we'll have to connect through to develop prior to building permit or they have to bond for it.

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And we'll have to obtain the right of way for that as well.

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And then the intersections of Pete and Pete and the intersections of Pete and our encote will become right in right out.

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So those are the you know some of the immediate.

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Results of the traffic impact assessment and of course all their frontage improvements and everything of that nature.

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That will contribute to active transportation corridor along the.

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Pete to senderland connection there's a piece of road dedication there which would the development would also improve which will help with more shift.

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And then if through our transportation master plan as we've discussed the Pete road to senderland corridor being the the Pete road being the transit corridor in Jacqueline being the.

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Patential active transportation corridor there's a plan for the whole city and staff are very much looking forward to bringing that forward.

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Once we have all of the public engagement and we got a lot of public engagement points to incorporated there so we're very much looking forward to bringing that forward but at this time staff can say with confidence that we can support this application.

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Thank you and actually considering if I can jump in there quickly just based off of what the engineer brought forward.

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Am I right in understanding you've listed several projects and upgrades for traffic in the rest through this area.

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That the vast majority of these are either being done by this development or through funds raised by this development that would not otherwise be able to be done in as rapid up succession.

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Thank you chair for the question so any requirements that come out of the TA so any of the recommendations that come out of the traffic impact assessment are directly tied to that development to pay for.

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Not with DCC's or anything like that it's just that in order to what they're building permit they'll hire they have to build or bond for the requirements that are in the TA if Council passes the resolution as it stands today.

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Other broader improvements as you may have alluded to would be covered by our development cost charge a road development cost charge program or you know there's other funding sources as well that.

429
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:44,000
I could be contributed to those improvements in the future, but that's typically how we address if there's a compounding effect that it's it would be considered a regionally beneficial.

430
00:40:44,000 --> 00:40:49,000
Improvement therefore would be applicable for our DCC program.

431
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:56,000
Thank you so some potential immediate upgrade required for that element permit as well as the.

432
00:40:56,000 --> 00:41:19,000
That's correct and and if anything changes so if the density changes or the drive locations change and then the TA would have to be updated and the resolution is flexible to capture any of those amendments as well because it says any any recommendations from the TA so.

433
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:28,000
Anything in the development changes throughout the development period the TA would have to be updated and then reapproved again by the city and MOTT.

434
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:34,000
Carage implementation and they will not receive a building permit until those are either built or bonded for.

435
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:39,000
Thank you very much for that's the real explanation with that very much appreciated.

436
00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:43,000
Councillor waitner is I encroached on your time please back to you.

437
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:49,000
It's very complicated stuff my other question is quite different so if you don't mind I will.

438
00:41:49,000 --> 00:42:01,000
One more question before I give way something that's come up so much is the maintenance plan and the ability to enforce it and so this is an unusual condition that we've got here.

439
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:17,000
And how enforceable is it really we're trying to do our belts and suspenders approach here but before we have our by laws for the good neighbor policy and our construction impact mitigation strategy specific by laws.

440
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,000
How can we enforce.

441
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:28,000
On a property that you know I'm hearing from the public is not in great shape right.

442
00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:42,000
Thanks through the chair registering the maintenance plan and a section two nineteen covenant on title does improve our ability to enforce matters that are not covered by current by laws as councils aware there.

443
00:42:42,000 --> 00:42:55,000
Vila is kind of under development right now through the good neighbor policy and construction impact management strategy that will speak to matters that are in the maintenance plan that are in city by laws right now.

444
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:59,620
If it went bad occurs over the coming months, that will, you know,

445
00:42:59,620 --> 00:43:05,960
look at that by law enforcement mechanism as well, but in the meantime, those matters

446
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:11,520
are not referred by by law as so through registering the maintenance plan on title, that

447
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:18,480
gives us an ability to, you know, follow up on those matters, receive reports on, you know,

448
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:22,680
the degree of maintenance that's occurring as committed to in the maintenance plan, and

449
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:27,520
it'll follow up with a property owner, um, as needed to ensure that those commitments

450
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:33,960
are being adhered to. And if I can just add to that, uh, those cabinets are enforced through

451
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:40,520
corridor. So then if we get a corridor and it's not enforced, then it would be a contempt

452
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:45,920
action. Thank you very much. I have a follow-up to that. But, John, sir, how do I do

453
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:51,160
want to take the floor if you have something related to this item? Thank you. I was going to ask

454
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:58,600
about this plan, but I appreciate that. Thank you. My kind of follow-up from what this conversation

455
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:04,240
has been is along that maintenance plan, and really alluded to in public participation there,

456
00:44:04,240 --> 00:44:09,520
which is the difference between what we are currently seeing, which is the long leg to get the

457
00:44:09,520 --> 00:44:15,560
actions on many of the properties in the core. And, like, actually many of us have this table here

458
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:21,040
being a resident of the core. We see this every day, the, uh, quite prominent impacts this

459
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:28,640
has in our, in our, in our neighborhood. And I just, uh, I hope that this really is able to be the

460
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:33,640
benefit for the public that through this meet and sorter, at least my interpretation of it,

461
00:44:33,640 --> 00:44:38,520
is that it prevents us from having this long leg time for the remediation or action, like,

462
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:43,480
works randomly seeing. And just wondering if I do have that right interpretation or if staff

463
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:55,720
can walk that out a bit. Thank you through the chair. So, uh, yes, we, we have the ability to

464
00:44:55,720 --> 00:44:59,960
act once the maintenance plan is not. Not.

465
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:24,000
And so it's just important that our maintenance plans are clear and enforceable and then we can go, but as I said, we do have to go through the court, we don't have control over your time necessarily. So I'm not saying that it's an overnight fix, but certainly would be enforceable sort of court order.

466
00:45:24,000 --> 00:45:42,000
And thank you Mr. Chair, if I could add, it's really hard for someone to dispute us holding them to their own plan, right? It's hard to claim on do hardship when we're just holding them to their own plan in their own commitment and that in a way does make it more enforceable.

467
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:58,000
Thank you very much. That provides me a bit of ease on that difference as to what we're looking at this time around versus what is resulted in the distrust that a lot of the public has in our court right now. And sorry, I'm talking to you, Mr. Fletcher.

468
00:45:58,000 --> 00:46:17,000
And just to broaden the discussion a little bit further, we have to, we can't compare what's going to happen in the future to our past sort of experiences with a new mechanism coming in the play where we can actually monitor.

469
00:46:17,000 --> 00:46:33,000
We can we can have a bit of a high grading the observation as it has it develops is going to probably put the city in a far better position take action whereas in the in the past we just haven't had that awareness we haven't had the mechanisms.

470
00:46:33,000 --> 00:46:42,000
I think we're going to be in a far better position to have a better handle on the situations as the developer.

471
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:54,000
Thank you very much. Councillor Wigner believe you did say you had additional follow up questions. Is it all in the same item or would like to allow Councillor how to the chance if she has a different question at this time.

472
00:46:54,000 --> 00:47:07,000
It could just add a quickly follow up here just because this is a sensitive topic and I know that some of these buildings are occupied and some are not occupied so to through the chair just wondering if a comment on.

473
00:47:07,000 --> 00:47:23,000
I'm not sure how to ask things exactly but does maintenance plan apply to both I mean I saw a lot of detail in there but can you just remind me of there's not going to be a need to involve the tendency branch or other levels of government because we have this maintenance plan we can.

474
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:35,000
I understand it it's both occupied and unoccupied. So I don't want to speak too much about it but we can't you serve.

475
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:46,000
Real maintenance plan we can't you serve requirements of the residential tendency act so those would still be applicable with respect to any tenant properties.

476
00:47:47,000 --> 00:48:05,000
Thank you actually that could be good thing if if the tenant wants to complain we will still have the right to do so as a tenant landlord relationship but this maintenance plan has both provisions for occupied and unoccupied properties so I think.

477
00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:20,000
Yeah just wanting to think about that level of detail that there would be potentially different actions needed depending on whether they're occupied or not but they are all in the maintenance plan so I don't think we have a follow up question there.

478
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:25,000
Thank you and Councilor how did you have a question at this time regarding this by law.

479
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:36,000
Thank you you know I didn't have a question my questions about the transportation plan and both maintenance plan have been answered and staff have provided additional months on some of the regulatory levers so.

480
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:47,000
Thank you just because this is right the item I do want to reach out to Councilor Spalk online just confirm that you don't have any questions before motion is considered on this item.

481
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:50,000
No thank you sir.

482
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:52,000
Thank you very much.

483
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:55,000
Councilor Wagner would you have another question for the title.

484
00:48:55,000 --> 00:49:05,000
I did have another question just to be absolutely clear so through the chair we hear about feasibility of projects as a question that comes from the public.

485
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:16,000
You know not wanting another failed project but it's my understanding that we don't consider that so just looking at staff for clarification of we need to put aside.

486
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:28,000
As hard as that is we need to put aside things in the neighborhood that are hurting people of experienced and consider this application on good faith assuming that it would.

487
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:39,000
Through the chair yes each application is considered and must be considered on its own merits this is about land use and density and rezoning and.

488
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:48,000
It shouldn't be influenced by what neighboring properties may or may not have done.

489
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:58,000
Thank you with those questions being addressed I would that be looking to entertain a motion if we have someone willing to bring one forward at this time.

490
00:49:58,000 --> 00:50:02,000
I actually do have one more question if I wait.

491
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:08,000
Please just again to clarify and then I would be prepared to make a motion but.

492
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:26,000
It was brought up that in last decisions that the council had decided not or committee have decided not to take action but that's not how I understood the resolution I understood it as not taking action until such time as a landscape on came forward.

493
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:38,000
And then we had new information come to us as a council that was provided in public so I just wanted to make very clear before I do any motion that.

494
00:50:38,000 --> 00:50:52,000
Was there any information that staff had that was not provided I recall a letter that was in the public agenda and we made some adjustments to the application based on that letter but I just want to be very clear about what is.

495
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:58,000
The reasoning behind moving forward with even though the committee resolution was to have another look at it.

496
00:50:58,000 --> 00:51:00,000
Through the chair.

497
00:51:00,000 --> 00:51:12,000
I'll just make two points the first being that both of our advisory committees the community advisory committee in the sustainable development advisory committee are that just that they are advisory.

498
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:24,000
So as when council sits around this table they can take that recommendation that comes out of the committee into account but they are not the decision maker council is the decision maker so.

499
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:34,000
I obviously council can take the discussion take the recommendation of committee into account when they make their motion following.

500
00:51:34,000 --> 00:51:47,000
Like when they are considering that item at the next council meeting but it's not a binding recommendation is for council to consider as part of their deliberations on the second point would be that yes the.

501
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:59,000
We can did provide a letter of outlining new commitments say which to make to address some of the concerns that came out of a committee around landscaping and public open space.

502
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:03,000
And the heat island kind of reflection.

503
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:12,000
comments that had that had been made house regards the neighboring property and that letter was posted publicly as part of the council agenda.

504
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:18,000
As well as spoken to during public participation when council considered that committee recommendation on for very second.

505
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:30,000
And those that deliberation can be seen in the video of that meeting and all information that council considered as part of that deliberation is part of the agenda under that item.

506
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:32,000
Thank you.

507
00:52:32,000 --> 00:52:48,000
That is helpful because this is challenging so I will move that council give line for zoning by law amendment number 707 2614 261626262626262626262626.

508
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:58,000
Pete road and 26222625 and 2629 Sundayland road by law number 21462626 or second and third readings.

509
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,000
Thank you.

510
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:02,000
Thank you.

511
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,000
And Councillor Wagner I'll look to you for any motivation.

512
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:06,000
Thank you.

513
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:10,000
We have been through this twice a committee.

514
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,000
First I was not the chair of that committee.

515
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:20,000
Councillor Gottry was running the committee and I asked so many questions and then when it came back this year.

516
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:27,000
We I was the chair of the committee and we've looked at it again and there's still so many questions and then tonight again we've had so many questions.

517
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,000
It is there's no doubt is the high density project.

518
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:35,000
It's a very large project and it's not intense scrutiny for this council.

519
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:39,000
It's our first power project that we we have to own it.

520
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:46,000
In the passive and very vocal about the city center concept map that I thought was just creating so much problem in the community.

521
00:53:46,000 --> 00:53:52,000
But now we have the official community plan and it does speak to this density in this area.

522
00:53:52,000 --> 00:54:01,000
It's a transit corridor and having worked through that process over like almost 18 months I would think.

523
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:12,000
Open over a year with a lot of public feedback and not everybody would be happy with how it turned out but it does have very clearly that this density.

524
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:19,000
Can go here and we focus so much on quality city building in the official community plan.

525
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:29,000
New design guidelines coming that will fly to this development the construction impact mitigation and good neighbor policy will also apply to this project.

526
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:34,000
And then many conditions I counted up 22 terms and conditions that were added.

527
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:48,000
So we really tried again to say belts and suspenders we tried to think of things that would help the community see that there was more green space I asked for many things that I felt were important free bedroom units because I've heard.

528
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:56,000
Family size units are hard to get in the city center and people do want affordable homes near transit and shops and services.

529
00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:03,000
And so this could provide some homes for those kinds of people and multi generational families or many roommates.

530
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:15,000
Fortability is just such a challenge and as we talked about we are not really able to consider the feasibility of our projects we just have to put that aside and look at the project and and way.

531
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:19,000
We think there's enough community benefits so I kept asking for more.

532
00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:27,000
I asked for more trees more green space public right of way on the private space that is a different than I've ever.

533
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:39,000
Part of an application before where that was considered so we have been working very hard to make this very robust process with many conditions that.

534
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:49,000
We're trying to really bring that community benefit in line with our quality city building goals that came through our official community plan so.

535
00:55:49,000 --> 00:55:53,000
But given all that and the questions that also were brought up tonight.

536
00:55:53,000 --> 00:55:55,000
I am supporting the motion.

537
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,000
Thank you very much council.

538
00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,000
Thank you and thank you for your comments.

539
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:11,000
I will be supporting motion tonight and I'm very grateful for the discussions that we've had at this table in the community and at the committee as well.

540
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:19,000
Because it's taken a while to get here but I do think that we're better off for it just through all of the questions and contemplation that's been considered to date.

541
00:56:19,000 --> 00:56:27,000
When this application was first delayed or momentarily paused to wait until the OCP was completed.

542
00:56:27,000 --> 00:56:35,000
You know I really respected that decision because I think our community is at a bit of a crossroads right now when it comes to growth.

543
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:43,000
And what I hear frequently from members of the community is that growth isn't necessarily a bad thing but we don't want to continue to see growth happen.

544
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:45,000
If it means.

545
00:56:45,000 --> 00:56:49,000
Crawling out into mountain sides and blasting away hillsides and clear-cutting forests.

546
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:55,000
And the reality is that in an island in a community was pounding the biography.

547
00:56:55,000 --> 00:57:03,000
That means that we have to start having these challenging conversations about how we want to grow up and how we want to that's fire existing areas.

548
00:57:03,000 --> 00:57:09,000
Within this application, I really appreciate the focus that the applicant.

549
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:20,000
Has considered the consideration that the applicant has provided around our intention and our vision to create a family for a city center that's more welcoming families.

550
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:27,000
And right now if you try to find a three bedroom condo in length for it, it is very challenging because we just simply haven't been building them.

551
00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:30,000
So I think a 10% ratio.

552
00:57:30,000 --> 00:57:37,000
I would love to see more but I do recognize that financial viability is very challenging in the development industry right now.

553
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:41,000
And that is a consideration for permitting unimics.

554
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:45,000
But I do think that that is a huge benefit for this proposal.

555
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:52,000
And I just want to comment as well around some of the comments that have been made regarding park space.

556
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:57,000
And recently, our last council meeting we adopted our purpose in trails monster planned.

557
00:57:57,000 --> 00:58:02,000
And especially in the city center where there are so many people moving to the city center, so many families.

558
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:06,000
It's really important that we have an adequate park strategy.

559
00:58:06,000 --> 00:58:12,000
And this application provides wonderful onsite amenities on site green space and public space for its residents.

560
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,000
And you know the city.

561
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:19,000
I think we'll be able to continue focusing on our destination parks and neighborhood parks.

562
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:25,000
Like portrait park and woodlands that are within walking distance to this proposal.

563
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:31,000
So I do just want to close off by saying I recognize that enterprises can be very contentious and especially when we focus.

564
00:58:31,000 --> 00:58:37,000
As a community for so long on quality or sorry on quantity rather than quality.

565
00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:43,000
I think it is going to set us up for a challenge in conversation, but I do appreciate how we found this conversation.

566
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:53,000
And I appreciate that there is ongoing recognition and we're happening behind the scenes to make sure that we are building that solid foundation.

567
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:58,000
To make sure that we're not just running city hall as a business, but we are building an institution.

568
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:07,000
And making sure that this institution has the capacity that we need to have the right by laws policies, guidelines and regulations in place.

569
00:59:07,000 --> 00:59:11,000
So that we can go successfully moving forward.

570
00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:13,000
Thank you very much.

571
00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,000
Councillor Spock just out.

572
00:59:15,000 --> 00:59:16,000
There we go.

573
00:59:16,000 --> 00:59:17,000
Your hand is up.

574
00:59:17,000 --> 00:59:19,000
The floor is yours.

575
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:20,000
Thank you chair.

576
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:24,000
I just want to start with acknowledging that this is being a great discussion.

577
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:36,000
And also I appreciate the work that our staff has done, but I also want to acknowledge the significant community input that I've received on this application.

578
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:47,000
Since we brought forward the sustainable development community recommendation and and also previous to that, but especially since then.

579
00:59:48,000 --> 00:59:58,000
Many residents have expressed that at this point in time, they don't support this tower at this location.

580
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:01,000
And as an elected official, I feel very.

581
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:07,500
We strongly that I have an obligation to listen carefully to their feedback.

582
01:00:07,500 --> 01:00:13,900
This proposal does align with our official community plan and our broader growth objectives.

583
01:00:13,900 --> 01:00:22,500
And as I said, the guidelines, policies and the work that has been put into this is commendable.

584
01:00:22,500 --> 01:00:29,900
However, I feel very strongly that we need to consider cumulative impacts, not just

585
01:00:29,900 --> 01:00:39,900
whether this fits on paper, but the timing and the sequencing across the city center, whether or not it's appropriate.

586
01:00:39,900 --> 01:00:46,900
At this point, a second and third reading, I think it represents a significant step forward.

587
01:00:46,900 --> 01:00:58,900
So, at this point in time, I'm not persuaded that advancing this application serves the best interest of our community in terms of pacing and infrastructure.

588
01:00:58,900 --> 01:01:13,900
Readiness and as much as the huge effort and robust work that's being done in maintaining the public trust I am not hearing it at this point in time.

589
01:01:13,900 --> 01:01:19,900
And I want to be clear that my decision is not a rejection of growth.

590
01:01:20,900 --> 01:01:25,900
It's not a, it's not a rejection of this proponent.

591
01:01:25,900 --> 01:01:31,900
But it is a judgment about timing and cumulative impact.

592
01:01:31,900 --> 01:01:36,900
So, I will not be supporting the second and third reading at this time.

593
01:01:36,900 --> 01:01:38,900
Thank you.

594
01:01:40,900 --> 01:01:43,900
Thank you very much, Councillor Spock.

595
01:01:44,900 --> 01:01:59,900
For for myself, really echoes the comments that I made when this first came forward from the standable development committee, which was very much at that time going into the meeting.

596
01:01:59,900 --> 01:02:11,900
We were dealing with a lot of our issues around properties that were not being maintained the fallout of previous previous projects and as we said, as we heard today during public participation.

597
01:02:11,900 --> 01:02:15,900
The other failed project, what is going to be the impact on the community?

598
01:02:15,900 --> 01:02:19,900
Are we going to have the other pit and the rest?

599
01:02:19,900 --> 01:02:29,900
The reality of the situation, though, is as I'm out of that last meeting when this came forward from the committee, was that we are in a very different institutional framework today.

600
01:02:29,900 --> 01:02:36,900
And we were when those first projects were coming forward, resulting in what we see in our downtown core now.

601
01:02:36,900 --> 01:02:46,900
And it was through those conversations that I really believe that is a city we have institutionally matured that we have brought in the bylaws.

602
01:02:46,900 --> 01:02:58,900
We have brought in the protections that we need so that a project like this going forward as the potential to provide amazing benefits to our community once built.

603
01:02:58,900 --> 01:03:03,900
But we've seen the risks, if it doesn't, we've seen the risks when I go sideways.

604
01:03:03,900 --> 01:03:10,900
And I think a big part of our role of the city is to ensure that we are protecting our residents from those risks.

605
01:03:10,900 --> 01:03:13,900
And I believe we are at that point.

606
01:03:13,900 --> 01:03:23,900
I believe that with the work that we have been doing over these last three years and building up the bylaws here in the city and building up this institutional maturity.

607
01:03:23,900 --> 01:03:28,900
I believe that the city is at a point where it can manage a project like this.

608
01:03:28,900 --> 01:03:32,900
And even if this project in the end is not feasible.

609
01:03:32,900 --> 01:03:34,900
We will not be left with the shell.

610
01:03:34,900 --> 01:03:40,900
We will not be left with the derelict site as we have been from properties in the past.

611
01:03:40,900 --> 01:03:47,900
I said it last meeting that in many ways this is our last chance to try to get this right for this fails.

612
01:03:47,900 --> 01:03:51,900
I think we will not entertain a power for decades.

613
01:03:51,900 --> 01:03:56,900
And so there's a lot of pressure on this, there's a lot of pressure on the city and the bylaws that we have put together.

614
01:03:56,900 --> 01:04:08,900
But in conversation and looking at reviewing a work that we have done as a council, the work that staff has done in bringing these bylaws into place and enforcing them.

615
01:04:08,900 --> 01:04:16,900
I do believe that we are well positioned to protect our residents and to see the benefits of this project.

616
01:04:16,900 --> 01:04:20,900
And really ensuring that we are mitigating against those risks.

617
01:04:20,900 --> 01:04:26,900
So that being said, I am supportive of this in general.

618
01:04:26,900 --> 01:04:34,900
So any last comments, motivation from any members of council before I call the question on this data.

619
01:04:34,900 --> 01:04:36,900
Just before sorry to interrupt.

620
01:04:36,900 --> 01:04:40,900
And just before you do that, be clear.

621
01:04:40,900 --> 01:04:43,900
This is first second and third reading of the bylaw.

622
01:04:43,900 --> 01:04:48,900
I know lots are spotted so it's second and third, so I just want to make sure the video is clear.

623
01:04:48,900 --> 01:04:50,900
Thank you very much for that clarification.

624
01:04:50,900 --> 01:04:54,900
For second third, adoption still yet to come.

625
01:04:54,900 --> 01:04:59,900
I will call the question on this all in favor.

626
01:04:59,900 --> 01:05:02,900
And any opposed.

627
01:05:02,900 --> 01:05:04,900
That is councillors.

628
01:05:04,900 --> 01:05:13,900
That is a post.

629
01:05:13,900 --> 01:05:20,900
That brings us on to item 9.2 bylaw number 2239 and 2.2.

630
01:05:20,900 --> 01:05:27,900
1.2.

631
01:05:27,900 --> 01:05:30,900
Similarly, we will start off if there is any questions.

632
01:05:30,900 --> 01:05:37,900
And then if there is the motion.

633
01:05:37,900 --> 01:05:40,900
Sure, I have a good question.

634
01:05:40,900 --> 01:05:46,900
But yes, so we are back to the animal control.

635
01:05:46,900 --> 01:05:52,900
We get the right thing at some looking at the right thing here.

636
01:05:52,900 --> 01:05:57,900
I guess based on the conversation earlier.

637
01:05:57,900 --> 01:06:03,900
I would like to clarify that staff is recommending that we don't include beer.

638
01:06:03,900 --> 01:06:06,900
In this at this time because it's already.

639
01:06:06,900 --> 01:06:10,900
There is a way to manage that through conservation officers.

640
01:06:10,900 --> 01:06:17,900
So I just want to be really clear because there was quite a bit of new information that came out for me from the discussion.

641
01:06:17,900 --> 01:06:20,900
But.

642
01:06:20,900 --> 01:06:29,900
I guess do you believe that the provincial conservation officers are the best to handle the.

643
01:06:29,900 --> 01:06:32,900
Potential damage or risk or anything from deer.

644
01:06:32,900 --> 01:06:35,900
And that.

645
01:06:35,900 --> 01:06:47,900
It may complicate or bylaw to extent that would really require a lot of staff resources.

646
01:06:47,900 --> 01:06:59,900
So the province as an active legislation that makes conservation officers responsible for.

647
01:06:59,900 --> 01:07:01,900
Management of.

648
01:07:01,900 --> 01:07:12,900
Beer if acted a regulation that makes it an offense under potential law for someone to feed animals that include beer.

649
01:07:12,900 --> 01:07:25,900
And then they have also granted the authority to a municipality to regulate prohibit and impose requirements with respect to ear.

650
01:07:25,900 --> 01:07:35,900
So we if we put it in then it becomes something that we to enforce with our resources.

651
01:07:35,900 --> 01:07:41,900
And we will become the first step rather than the province.

652
01:07:41,900 --> 01:07:44,900
I think that's where the box feels.

653
01:07:44,900 --> 01:07:49,900
Help them intended.

654
01:07:49,900 --> 01:07:53,900
Thank you. I think that brings the clarity I was looking for.

655
01:07:53,900 --> 01:07:56,900
Thank you.

656
01:07:56,900 --> 01:07:57,900
Thank you.

657
01:07:57,900 --> 01:08:02,900
Any other questions at this time.

658
01:08:02,900 --> 01:08:08,900
Looking for a motion then for item nine point two.

659
01:08:08,900 --> 01:08:11,900
Thank you.

660
01:08:11,900 --> 01:08:18,900
I'm going to move that council give animal responsibility by law number two two three nine twenty twenty six first second and third readings.

661
01:08:18,900 --> 01:08:21,900
And that council give animal control miscellaneous.

662
01:08:21,900 --> 01:08:26,900
Mending by law number two to one two twenty twenty six first second and third readings.

663
01:08:26,900 --> 01:08:29,900
I will second.

664
01:08:29,900 --> 01:08:32,900
Thank you and any motivation at this point in time.

665
01:08:33,900 --> 01:08:42,900
So so far we talked a lot about deer but I'm just going to pull back and talk about the rest of the by law because this is a very important date that's coming to council.

666
01:08:42,900 --> 01:08:48,900
I was surprised to see that the city actually hadn't made any updates to this by law since I think 1986 or 87.

667
01:08:48,900 --> 01:08:54,900
So it is quite overdue and I think quite timely as well just recognizing that.

668
01:08:54,900 --> 01:09:01,900
You know especially through COVID we've got a lot of new dog ownership in the community and as it stands our current regulatory tools don't necessarily give us.

669
01:09:02,900 --> 01:09:10,900
A lot of discretion in enforcement when there isn't an incident for in the event of an incident arising.

670
01:09:10,900 --> 01:09:15,900
So I appreciated just having the dangerous and aggressive dog definitions clearly laid out.

671
01:09:15,900 --> 01:09:18,900
Disapport community safety moving forward.

672
01:09:18,900 --> 01:09:26,900
And then as well just given you know at this during my time at this table I have been a vocal advocates.

673
01:09:26,900 --> 01:09:33,900
For our community to become more aware and more proficient in not encouraging.

674
01:09:33,900 --> 01:09:41,900
Wildlife interactions when we move into neighborhoods where they previously may have room free so I do support.

675
01:09:41,900 --> 01:09:47,900
Some of the wording and the viola just to discourage those types of potential interactions from happening.

676
01:09:47,900 --> 01:09:52,900
In our community just hearing the comments tonight regarding enforcement.

677
01:09:52,900 --> 01:10:00,900
Some of the you know main themes that we're seeing to date I didn't hear from staff that deer is a current enforcement concern.

678
01:10:00,900 --> 01:10:07,900
I do recognize that it is probably occurring in our community given the fact that this is a very.

679
01:10:07,900 --> 01:10:10,900
This region is it's full of deer.

680
01:10:10,900 --> 01:10:20,900
But I I do recognize the challenge is an enforcement and I'm comforted by the fact that there is already a way for us to enforce this through provincial legislation.

681
01:10:20,900 --> 01:10:25,900
And I I do hear the concerns around staff capacity just recognizing this is.

682
01:10:25,900 --> 01:10:31,900
Unfortunately another instance where we're seeing provincial resources perhaps not.

683
01:10:31,900 --> 01:10:35,900
In line with our community needs and although I.

684
01:10:35,900 --> 01:10:43,900
We feel encouraged to help I do want to put pressure on the province to make sure that they're funding those programs appropriately so that this doesn't get.

685
01:10:43,900 --> 01:10:51,900
Last down to property taxpayers to have to do a fund and manage so with that in mind putting that forward on the table for council.

686
01:10:51,900 --> 01:10:53,900
Congratulations.

687
01:10:53,900 --> 01:10:54,900
Thank you.

688
01:10:54,900 --> 01:10:55,900
I don't sure.

689
01:10:55,900 --> 01:10:56,900
Thank you.

690
01:10:56,900 --> 01:10:58,900
Yeah, I got so into the deer.

691
01:10:58,900 --> 01:11:01,900
I actually have a question if I'm not about deer.

692
01:11:01,900 --> 01:11:02,900
Please do.

693
01:11:02,900 --> 01:11:03,900
So it's through the chair.

694
01:11:03,900 --> 01:11:07,900
I was I'm wondering more about the dogs of and that there's many.

695
01:11:07,900 --> 01:11:12,900
Schools that have fields and playgrounds and that kind of thing and how do we manage.

696
01:11:13,900 --> 01:11:16,900
When it's not the CRD or not the city of life or property.

697
01:11:16,900 --> 01:11:22,900
What people might be using the goals is almost like an off leash dog park.

698
01:11:22,900 --> 01:11:26,900
So could we get some clarity on what residents might do.

699
01:11:26,900 --> 01:11:31,900
If this bylaw would apply to that situation.

700
01:11:31,900 --> 01:11:34,900
Perhaps I can help through the chair.

701
01:11:34,900 --> 01:11:46,900
Presently school district 62 is the property holder when it comes to all of the school related playing fields playgrounds those types of areas.

702
01:11:46,900 --> 01:11:49,900
And by their own policy.

703
01:11:49,900 --> 01:11:55,900
They do not allow for dogs to be on the school grounds during school hours.

704
01:11:55,900 --> 01:12:02,900
That's a change from a few years ago where it was an absolute prohibition to have dogs on school property.

705
01:12:02,900 --> 01:12:04,900
I believe it was about two years ago.

706
01:12:04,900 --> 01:12:16,900
School district revisited that policy and determined that when classes are not in session having dogs on these playgrounds and playing fields or sorry sports fields.

707
01:12:16,900 --> 01:12:18,900
It really isn't a problem.

708
01:12:18,900 --> 01:12:23,900
And so with that change in policy there's been a lot fewer complaints.

709
01:12:23,900 --> 01:12:26,900
And I've checked with the animal control people on this.

710
01:12:26,900 --> 01:12:35,900
The use to receive quite significant numbers of complaints about people taking dogs on the school grounds after hours.

711
01:12:35,900 --> 01:12:38,900
Since I'd adjustment me by the school district.

712
01:12:38,900 --> 01:12:41,900
Those complaints have dropped off substantially.

713
01:12:41,900 --> 01:12:44,900
But in in attempt to ask answer the question.

714
01:12:44,900 --> 01:12:49,900
Generally it is it is the school district itself through its own staff.

715
01:12:49,900 --> 01:12:55,900
Where someone has if someone has to step in and deal with a dog and a dog owner.

716
01:12:55,900 --> 01:13:10,900
The property they manage that themselves and our bylaw will apply only to city control sports fields playing fields facilities playgrounds that type of thing.

717
01:13:10,900 --> 01:13:13,900
Thank you very much for that clarification.

718
01:13:13,900 --> 01:13:16,900
And on the same topic I can start I believe.

719
01:13:16,900 --> 01:13:18,900
Thank you through the chair.

720
01:13:18,900 --> 01:13:24,900
I was reminded of a question that was brought to my attention between committee and now and that's just regarding the licensing fees.

721
01:13:25,900 --> 01:13:28,900
Recognizing this bylaw proposes some updates.

722
01:13:28,900 --> 01:13:38,900
Can staff just confirm with the licensing fee process would look like with applicants would have to apply to the city of Frankfurt and the CRD or if it's just the one body.

723
01:13:38,900 --> 01:13:39,900
Through through the chair.

724
01:13:39,900 --> 01:13:41,900
Thank you for the question.

725
01:13:41,900 --> 01:13:47,900
The form of contract with the service provider and that's the CRD of course.

726
01:13:47,900 --> 01:14:05,900
It would be the licensing fees are able to the CRD the contract itself has the CRD observing the license fees and any picketing amounts so penalties that come out of violations of the bylaw itself.

727
01:14:05,900 --> 01:14:08,900
And that is seen as because essentially.

728
01:14:08,900 --> 01:14:14,900
The CRD are managing the licensing the canvassing if that's a necessary step.

729
01:14:14,900 --> 01:14:27,900
And enforcement as well as collection of unpaid fines so the contract really does allow that contract to the ability to be fully managing of that aspect.

730
01:14:27,900 --> 01:14:31,900
Thank you I think the comment was just in the spirit of not wanting to.

731
01:14:31,900 --> 01:14:41,900
I encourage pet owners from obtaining a license and wanting to encourage responsible pet ownership so I appreciate that clarification that it's not a duplication of the fee but just in the.

732
01:14:41,900 --> 01:14:42,900
Thank you.

733
01:14:42,900 --> 01:14:43,900
That's correct.

734
01:14:43,900 --> 01:14:45,900
Thank you.

735
01:14:45,900 --> 01:14:46,900
Thank you.

736
01:14:46,900 --> 01:14:47,900
Thank you.

737
01:14:47,900 --> 01:14:48,900
The chair.

738
01:14:48,900 --> 01:14:56,900
Just please super fair on this if someone gets bitten by a dog on school property what do they do because I don't know that there's any.

739
01:14:56,900 --> 01:14:58,900
And the call if you know what I mean.

740
01:14:58,900 --> 01:14:59,900
Who do we.

741
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,000
Thank you for help.

742
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:11,840
Yes, I may say the chair. There's still under the annual control bylaw, even though the bylaw itself

743
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:20,440
does not manage the presence of dogs on school property. It is still the mainstay or managing

744
01:15:20,440 --> 01:15:28,960
the behavior of dogs. Everything from the requirement to be licensed. The picking up of

745
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:36,320
dog droppings and that kind of thing, all falls into the bylaw. Has would any type of an unfortunate

746
01:15:36,320 --> 01:15:44,000
situation like a dog bite, and that would be investigated by the CRD under its contract and

747
01:15:44,000 --> 01:15:51,840
enforcement of this bylaw? Thank you very much. There comes to a comment, I guess, at this point that

748
01:15:51,840 --> 01:15:58,880
we've got to, we've already, for a second, so I think I can move into a comment. This is quite comprehensive

749
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:05,680
and there's some good news in here about making sure that we're taking good care of animal welfare

750
01:16:05,680 --> 01:16:13,200
is dressed in here as well, and I appreciated that there was a lot of thought went into, I think,

751
01:16:13,200 --> 01:16:20,480
you know, when you do update something to go very comprehensive like this, I thought was very important

752
01:16:20,480 --> 01:16:27,840
step. We'd have so many residents with dogs and it's going to only increase, I believe the

753
01:16:27,840 --> 01:16:33,520
stat was 30% of people have dogs and more people are moving here because we know we're fast growing,

754
01:16:33,520 --> 01:16:38,880
so yes, it's very timely and appreciate the level of detail.

755
01:16:39,440 --> 01:16:49,840
Thank you. My comments before I call the question really due, just go back to the item around the

756
01:16:51,680 --> 01:16:58,320
around the deer. I really do see the benefit in having this explicitly laid out as was originally

757
01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:05,360
recommended by committee. I recognize that this is covered by the province, but so is bear and

758
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:12,400
other wildlife. In my experience in recognizing this is just anecdotal. I have not looked up the

759
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:19,840
statistics on this, on whole, but I've had far more things to get run in with deer than I ever have

760
01:17:20,480 --> 01:17:27,280
with bear or cougar, and that's just by many years of work and many years of being out in the bush all

761
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:34,240
together. Whether that be here within city limits or in the wild, so recognizing that

762
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:40,880
there are beyond a new sense and they do provide a level of danger to our community.

763
01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:47,280
So personally, I did like to see that as part of this, I recognize that it was an additional

764
01:17:47,440 --> 01:17:56,160
ask on staff and there is the potential for it to be revisited in that in that light, but as it is,

765
01:17:57,360 --> 01:18:03,280
I don't think I can support it without that, as I do think that it was an important addition in the sense

766
01:18:03,280 --> 01:18:11,440
here in some retrospect. So with that, I will follow the question if there are no other comments. All in favor.

767
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:29,600
And a post. That's just myself a post. Thank you. I will move on to by-law number 2248 and any questions on this item.

768
01:18:29,600 --> 01:18:38,400
Seeing none, if we have a motion for by-law number 2248.

769
01:18:41,440 --> 01:18:49,440
For me, I'll just skip the right page here. Turn the page. I move that counsel.

770
01:18:49,440 --> 01:18:58,880
Give length for zoning by-law number 3751234. Goldstream avenue RT1 text amendment by-law number 2248

771
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:04,080
2926. First, second and third readings. Thank you. And do we have a second?

772
01:19:05,360 --> 01:19:09,840
Second. Thank you. And answer a webinar. Do you have any motivation on this item?

773
01:19:11,440 --> 01:19:19,680
So this Goldstream site was quite an interesting discussion. Again, every application we get seems to have quite

774
01:19:19,680 --> 01:19:27,120
a bit of nuance to it. Working challenges, there's density concerns, and yet this was just a text

775
01:19:27,120 --> 01:19:33,280
amendment. So there are seven townhouses that were already approved. And this was just to add some

776
01:19:34,400 --> 01:19:42,080
permanent suites, rentals. And I felt that given that there was no parking variance, and we actually reduced

777
01:19:43,200 --> 01:19:49,120
my community. We recommended two units and there's three parking spots. We were trying to be very sensitive

778
01:19:49,120 --> 01:19:55,520
to having enough parking in the area and acknowledging that there's a lot of trees along the road

779
01:19:55,520 --> 01:20:02,000
side there that we want to protect the trees, but not overdue frontage in this particular case.

780
01:20:02,000 --> 01:20:10,320
So it was quite a lengthy discussion. And so at this point, I would continue to support. I didn't

781
01:20:10,320 --> 01:20:15,600
receive other information that would have changed my mind. But I do know there was a lot of community

782
01:20:15,600 --> 01:20:23,760
interest, and that this is challenging area. But I also think this is a nice place for people to live.

783
01:20:23,760 --> 01:20:29,840
So it's, it's an affordability concern having something that is a rental within a townhouse

784
01:20:30,400 --> 01:20:37,200
makes sense as a sort of an opportunity that we don't have a lot of that type of housing for people.

785
01:20:37,920 --> 01:20:44,400
And you do find that in strad as they manage the parking quite well with their static councils,

786
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:51,760
nobody puts up with the people, breaking all the rules. We went through that as a strad of being

787
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:59,920
quite into enforcing our strad of bylaws. So I do support this application in terms of it's

788
01:21:00,640 --> 01:21:07,600
being able to provide some homes and it's only two units, which I know for some people feels a lot.

789
01:21:08,480 --> 01:21:14,400
But the seven townhouses were already approved. So along with this application, I guess I would add,

790
01:21:14,400 --> 01:21:20,560
because it came back we are able to add things like heat pumps and the low carbon

791
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:25,440
concrete policy, and that they will have to park in their garages. So there was some opportunity here

792
01:21:25,440 --> 01:21:32,400
because of the update that I think this is an improvement. Thank you very much. Councillor Hurder and

793
01:21:32,400 --> 01:21:38,400
comments. Thank you. Maybe it's a point of privilege at first. As the secondary I am allowed,

794
01:21:38,400 --> 01:21:42,640
or through the chair. As the secondary I am allowed to vote in opposition. Is that correct?

795
01:21:42,640 --> 01:21:48,480
Absolutely. Once the motion is on for belongs to the floor. Thank you. I appreciate those comments

796
01:21:48,480 --> 01:21:54,000
from Councillor Waigner. I will not be supporting this application. We did hear from residents

797
01:21:54,000 --> 01:21:57,680
in the surrounding neighborhood and previous meetings. I don't think we heard from any tonight.

798
01:21:58,560 --> 01:22:02,640
But just recognizing some of the challenges and concerns that have been expressed to date

799
01:22:02,640 --> 01:22:09,200
and recognizing that this site has been, or this site has been the subject of multiple applications.

800
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:14,160
I do currently feel that the seven townhouses that this site permits is an appropriate level of

801
01:22:14,160 --> 01:22:20,080
densification or an appropriate level of density rather. I appreciate the applicant looking

802
01:22:20,080 --> 01:22:27,200
to find new ways to encourage home ownership, my home entry. But I'm just not sure that the site is

803
01:22:27,200 --> 01:22:34,080
the particular or is the right fit for that type of suggestion. So I will not be supporting it.

804
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:41,200
Thank you. And while I've comments as well, I was going to ask Councillor Spock if you wouldn't

805
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:43,920
before first. I see your hand raised. The floor is yours, Councillor.

806
01:22:45,600 --> 01:22:53,920
Thank you, Chair. I appreciate that. So yes, we did have a really good discussion at committee about this

807
01:22:53,920 --> 01:23:02,080
and our last council meeting. I think already that the seven townhouse units is significant

808
01:23:02,080 --> 01:23:09,200
density for that area that doesn't really lend itself to active transportation. It is a beautiful

809
01:23:09,200 --> 01:23:18,960
neighborhood. We did hear from the neighbors. However, and we did reduce one of the units taking one

810
01:23:18,960 --> 01:23:28,640
suite out of the units. So it's not perfect, but I am going to support this. We do acknowledge that

811
01:23:28,640 --> 01:23:35,680
home ownership is very, very difficult to attain. So I think there is the mortgage helper

812
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:43,200
aspect with the suite in the townhouse. And also there's the point of family diversity that I believe

813
01:23:43,200 --> 01:23:51,360
council are very spoke to at the last meeting. Different combinations of families and people that

814
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:59,760
define themselves as family and they can live comfortably within in one dwelling, sharing it with their

815
01:23:59,760 --> 01:24:07,680
sense of integrity around it. So although on balance it, it isn't perfect, but I think that it

816
01:24:07,680 --> 01:24:13,360
is allowing more residents to move into a very beautiful area. And I hope that in future we can work on

817
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:21,200
the infrastructure along Goldstream so that people can let their kids get on the bus if there's going to be

818
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:29,280
better transit down there eventually. And we do have the trail. That is that is along there. And I think

819
01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:35,920
we just need to continue to monitor the challenges on that road, which is basically along the lake.

820
01:24:35,920 --> 01:24:44,880
Thank you. Thank you very much. And it can definitely echo a lot of the comments made. The difficult part

821
01:24:44,880 --> 01:24:51,600
from me with this bylaw is really that we are looking at the text amendment. And we are comparing

822
01:24:52,480 --> 01:24:59,280
what is being proposed not versus what is currently there. Well, rather what was previously

823
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:08,160
proposed. So we are comparing one set of current laws, the regulations and bylaws, who are previous one,

824
01:25:08,160 --> 01:25:16,560
we don't have the actual visual onsite as what the current situation is. Through this really to highlight

825
01:25:16,560 --> 01:25:24,320
what Councilor Wagner brought forward is that by this text amendment, yes, there are tremendous benefits

826
01:25:24,320 --> 01:25:29,040
that we've been able to add to the community. We are concerns that come up with this as well,

827
01:25:29,600 --> 01:25:36,640
but at the end of the day taking a look at it, I really do believe that these concerns are mitigated

828
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:46,000
and mitigated primarily. In the fact that we are providing potentially two new homes for two

829
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:54,480
families by allowing this addition of the rental sweets. And that is a massive benefit in this

830
01:25:54,480 --> 01:26:00,320
time where so many families are struggling to be able to find affordable homes or even find homes at all.

831
01:26:00,320 --> 01:26:09,680
So we've done a lot to ensure that the parking side is being mitigated. We've done a lot to provide

832
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:15,040
those additional parking spots and the community needs in this. And at the end of the day,

833
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:22,880
I think it is a bit of that balancing act and I'm very strongly and as a part of this given that

834
01:26:22,880 --> 01:26:28,880
context. So with that, if there is no other comments, I will call the question. All in favor.

835
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:35,040
And any opposed. That is just a counter harder and opposition.

836
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:46,960
We will move on to by law number 2250. This is the 1029 Marwood Avenue. If we have any questions on this

837
01:26:46,960 --> 01:26:56,080
before motivation. First, sorry before motion. Say no questions. If we have a motion for this by law.

838
01:26:57,040 --> 01:27:03,120
Thank you. I will move that council give link for zoning by law number 300 amendment number 7254

839
01:27:03,920 --> 01:27:09,760
1029 Marwood Avenue by law number 2250 2026 per second and third readings.

840
01:27:10,720 --> 01:27:15,200
Second. Thank you. Now to you again, Councillor Wagner for motivation.

841
01:27:16,400 --> 01:27:22,960
Thank you. Yes, as you know, chair of the Sustainable Development Advisory Committee and having been

842
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:30,080
through a process of really digging into what this means. It's quite an interesting application

843
01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:37,600
again. So subdividing and having more density in this area. But I think it was a thoughtful application

844
01:27:37,600 --> 01:27:45,280
of it. It seems to fit with what's already there. There was a layout and part of it is fitting with the

845
01:27:45,920 --> 01:27:52,960
small scale multi unit housing legislation that again, it takes some of the control out of our hands

846
01:27:53,600 --> 01:28:00,080
because when you make these lots, there's a certain density that is proposed by the promise that we'll fit

847
01:28:00,080 --> 01:28:07,840
there. But I saw some improvements to the budget on both Marwood and Brown Road. There was, you know,

848
01:28:07,840 --> 01:28:15,760
addition of heat pumps again and other features that made this application. The museum

849
01:28:16,880 --> 01:28:23,520
perhaps one of those missing middle gentle density type of applications in an area that we know is really

850
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:34,080
great for families and it is always hard to see all the trees come down as they well when buildings go in

851
01:28:34,800 --> 01:28:42,160
and yet that's that's how this neighborhood has been evolving. So trying to look at this application

852
01:28:42,160 --> 01:28:48,080
in that context, I felt I could support it. Thank you very much and any motivation from yourself,

853
01:28:48,080 --> 01:28:53,680
Gildzarder. Thank you for you not much to add. I would agree with the comments that this is quite a

854
01:28:53,680 --> 01:28:58,640
thoughtful proposal. I do agree that it will fit really well into the existing neighborhood context.

855
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:03,200
You know, I hear from residents who live in the Happy Valley neighborhood from time to time and

856
01:29:03,280 --> 01:29:06,800
they often just talk about how wonderful it is to live there because of their neighbors,

857
01:29:06,800 --> 01:29:12,160
because of the existing community that's been developed over climb. So I see this as a wonderful addition.

858
01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:19,040
I appreciate the improvements that will be coming to Marwood Road. We're sorry Marwood Avenue and Brown Road

859
01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:23,360
in particular, just recognizing I think Marwood Avenue does tend to see a lot of

860
01:29:24,160 --> 01:29:29,360
vehicle traffic during, before and after school, pick up and strengthen the difference that

861
01:29:29,360 --> 01:29:37,040
I do get hosted at the Luxon Fairgrounds there. So I think overall this is a positive addition

862
01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:41,840
to the neighborhood or this will be a positive addition to the neighborhood and I'm happy to support it.

863
01:29:44,160 --> 01:29:48,240
Thank you very much, Councillor Spock and the comments on this by law.

864
01:29:50,560 --> 01:29:55,360
Nothing further, thank you. Thank you very much. I won't call the question on this one. I'll

865
01:29:55,680 --> 01:29:57,680
give her.

866
01:29:59,280 --> 01:30:01,680
And that was it.

867
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:10,000
All in favour, so none opposed to that carries. Sorry, my, everything just jumped on me. There we go.

868
01:30:10,000 --> 01:30:18,000
We are now on to 9.5 by a law number 2265. This is the link for station by law any questions before we entertain a motion.

869
01:30:18,000 --> 01:30:20,000
All look for a motion then.

870
01:30:20,000 --> 01:30:27,000
Thank you all move that council give the link for station by law number 2265, 2026, first, second and third readings.

871
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:29,000
I will second.

872
01:30:29,000 --> 01:30:31,000
Thank you. Any motivation on this?

873
01:30:31,000 --> 01:30:37,000
Thank you. We've had good discussion at committee and earlier this evening during the committee resolutions portion of the meeting. So I'll keep it brief.

874
01:30:37,000 --> 01:30:41,000
Just look forward to these updates coming forward.

875
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:48,000
And my gratitude to staff as well for all of the time and effort that's put into making solution avenue in the cultural district of wonderful, as it is.

876
01:30:48,000 --> 01:30:58,000
Because it's consistently in area of the cities I hear acclades for and just how much it's allowed, especially downtown residents to connect with their neighbors so.

877
01:30:58,000 --> 01:31:07,000
It was definitely missing for a long time just having that casual third space and it's really developing into a beautiful beautiful asset for our community. So thank you.

878
01:31:07,000 --> 01:31:09,000
Thank you, then.

879
01:31:10,000 --> 01:31:18,000
Thank you. Yeah. I with the questions I asked earlier. I feel quite good about this. I think this area is quite exciting. It's developing.

880
01:31:18,000 --> 01:31:24,000
We see lots of music in the park and food trucks and really appreciate stuff just making it very vibrant.

881
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:36,000
I go down there quite a bit myself and see different cultural festivals and you know it's great to see so many people coming out that are having a new experience.

882
01:31:36,000 --> 01:31:46,000
You know, I just really loved that kind of lighting festival. I went through this year, learned about Columbia and lighting day to celebrate the beginning of winter.

883
01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:50,000
So I've learned through the station. I think it's great.

884
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:56,000
And I see that there's a lot of thought put in here as well to supporting indigenous initiatives and artists initiatives.

885
01:31:56,000 --> 01:32:04,000
So I think that we're setting ourselves up for continuing to grow this space and I like what I'm saying.

886
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:12,000
Thank you very much. Seeing know the comment. I'll call the question on this all in favor.

887
01:32:12,000 --> 01:32:16,000
And that carries unanimously.

888
01:32:16,000 --> 01:32:28,000
Now we're on to by law number two to seven six. This is the sewer utility by law number 1600 is there a staff comment on this as for the background report or just as presented.

889
01:32:28,000 --> 01:32:34,000
I was always to freeze the SCRF and user rates for 2026.

890
01:32:34,000 --> 01:32:39,000
Thank you very much. Are we have any questions on this report from please.

891
01:32:39,000 --> 01:32:40,000
Thank you through the chair.

892
01:32:40,000 --> 01:32:57,000
I'm just wondering if staff can comment or provide a little bit of background on the next on the move away from setting a few structure for five year period and moving towards that annual restructuring that we've been seeing in recent years.

893
01:32:57,000 --> 01:33:09,000
The future the first five year rate setting was from 2015 to 2019 and since that time we've been setting rates on an annual basis.

894
01:33:09,000 --> 01:33:13,000
Over the last couple years we've been doing discussions with.

895
01:33:13,000 --> 01:33:31,000
We've been doing discussions with the second of the two 21 year periods of the agreement and so work fairly working through finalizing a financial model for this period and that will see.

896
01:33:31,000 --> 01:33:42,000
The changes has a result of that financial model and at that time we may be able to set a multi year rates going forward.

897
01:33:42,000 --> 01:33:46,000
If that's a main reason why it's been had done annually.

898
01:33:46,000 --> 01:33:52,000
We've lost years just in anticipation of that information coming forward.

899
01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:55,000
Thank you.

900
01:33:55,000 --> 01:34:05,000
Thank you if I may just build off that do we have a expected online for that for me have someone going to be complete or is that still allow for the term in.

901
01:34:05,000 --> 01:34:07,000
For you.

902
01:34:07,000 --> 01:34:13,000
I would need to be on some time late spring perhaps into the summer.

903
01:34:13,000 --> 01:34:23,000
We're doing currently reviewing and again of our consultants reviewing the information provided by wish room very mental.

904
01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:37,000
We've been updated with some growth projections that needed to be updated as well and so I would expect late spring into summer something coming forward if not before that.

905
01:34:37,000 --> 01:34:53,000
Thank you for the chair I had a similar question but just to clarify this we're looking at financial modeling over the next 25 years of this plan I gather there's a sewer master plan but because it's.

906
01:34:53,000 --> 01:35:00,000
Independent company we don't necessarily see all this information but will we we see a public report on this.

907
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:06,000
Financial modeling and is it over the life of what I believe would be another 25 years or so.

908
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:10,000
Through the cherry it's an additional it's another 20 years.

909
01:35:10,000 --> 01:35:30,000
So it was to 21 year terms the first 21 year term yeah inspired or was renewed in September 2025 and so there's like a 20 and a half years remaining in the current agreement and what will come forward.

910
01:35:30,000 --> 01:35:36,000
So I can effectively be looking at rates.

911
01:35:36,000 --> 01:35:54,000
I merely won't necessarily be projecting all of the information I'm going forward by will bring forward if I read setting into the future whether that's a five year period or a three year period initially so that is the information that will.

912
01:35:54,000 --> 01:35:58,000
I'm going to go this year.

913
01:35:58,000 --> 01:36:03,000
Thank you very much do we have a motion for this item at this time.

914
01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:08,000
Please thank you all move that council give sewer utility by law number of.

915
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:19,000
One six zero zero twenty sixteen amendment number nine by law number two two seven six twenty seven six first second and third readings.

916
01:36:20,000 --> 01:36:25,000
Twenty I think I miss read that it was twenty two seven six twenty three six.

917
01:36:25,000 --> 01:36:29,000
Great I will second as corrected.

918
01:36:29,000 --> 01:36:31,000
Thank you very much and any motivation on this.

919
01:36:31,000 --> 01:36:37,000
Thank you just briefly appreciate the questions and responses from staff that helps clarify things for me.

920
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:48,000
I also appreciated the report including the comparator graph as well just to kind of get a sense of where link for stands in relation to some of our neighboring municipalities so I will be supporting the motion tonight.

921
01:36:49,000 --> 01:36:51,000
Thank you and council.

922
01:36:51,000 --> 01:36:54,000
Yeah it's it's something we serve.

923
01:36:54,000 --> 01:37:00,000
We have looked at anytime sort of anticipating these ongoing negotiations.

924
01:37:00,000 --> 01:37:08,000
Taking quite some time I'm pleased to see that the rates are frozen this year while we continue to negotiate.

925
01:37:08,000 --> 01:37:12,000
It does say they'll probably have been the future but.

926
01:37:12,000 --> 01:37:18,000
Well I guess we'll cross that bridge when we come to it so appreciate that there's a lot of ongoing negotiations and I.

927
01:37:19,000 --> 01:37:30,000
Thank you very much seeing no other hands or light so I'll call the question on this all in favor.

928
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:34,000
And that is unanimous and that carries.

929
01:37:34,000 --> 01:37:44,000
I will move on to item nine point seven this is the revenue anticipation borrowing by law is there a comment from staff on this item or again just the report.

930
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:49,000
This is effectively a most keeping item it's a requirement of our banking agreements.

931
01:37:49,000 --> 01:37:52,000
This comes forward every year as a result.

932
01:37:52,000 --> 01:38:00,000
The city has never had to borrow through a revenue anticipation borrowing my line and we don't that and this being able to or needing to.

933
01:38:00,000 --> 01:38:09,000
This year the reason why municipalities have these is that because we collect the majority of our income halfway through the year.

934
01:38:09,000 --> 01:38:17,000
And we have a municipality that would be more cash strapped or cash flow strapped may need to borrow in order to cover their expenses for the first six months.

935
01:38:17,000 --> 01:38:24,000
So that's the reason why this is going forward, does they say we don't anticipate it or nothing to use it.

936
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:28,000
Thank you very much any questions on this item.

937
01:38:28,000 --> 01:38:30,000
If we have a motion.

938
01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:34,000
I would do prepared to move that.

939
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:36,000
We're going to go wrong page.

940
01:38:36,000 --> 01:38:38,000
Pardon me.

941
01:38:38,000 --> 01:38:40,000
I'm simply ready with the right page.

942
01:38:40,000 --> 01:38:48,000
That council give revenue anticipation borrowing by law number twenty to seven twenty twenty six for a second at their greetings.

943
01:38:48,000 --> 01:38:49,000
How second.

944
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:52,000
Thank you and any motivation on this item.

945
01:38:52,000 --> 01:38:57,000
So you know I think this was pretty well explained we've seen these each year.

946
01:38:57,000 --> 01:39:00,000
I'm glad to know that we don't budget for it.

947
01:39:01,000 --> 01:39:04,000
We don't anticipate needing to use it, but we do.

948
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:09,000
Benefit from having it as an opportunity if something really.

949
01:39:09,000 --> 01:39:11,000
You never know.

950
01:39:11,000 --> 01:39:13,000
It might happen so definitely.

951
01:39:13,000 --> 01:39:16,000
It's well named revenue anticipation borrowing.

952
01:39:16,000 --> 01:39:19,000
So yeah, it's a good.

953
01:39:19,000 --> 01:39:22,000
Thank you and any comments.

954
01:39:22,000 --> 01:39:23,000
I'll be in front there.

955
01:39:23,000 --> 01:39:24,000
Thanks.

956
01:39:24,000 --> 01:39:25,000
Thank you.

957
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:28,000
I will all the question and all in favor.

958
01:39:31,000 --> 01:39:33,000
And that is unanimous as well.

959
01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:34,000
I carries.

960
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:40,000
And that brings us through by laws.

961
01:39:40,000 --> 01:39:43,000
Next item up is our in camera resolution.

962
01:39:43,000 --> 01:39:45,000
Do we have a motion to go in camera please.

963
01:39:45,000 --> 01:39:46,000
Thank you chair.

964
01:39:46,000 --> 01:39:52,000
I'll move that council close the meeting to the public pursuant section ninety one I and G of the community charter.

965
01:39:52,000 --> 01:39:57,000
You consider the receipt of advice that is subject to solicitor client privilege.

966
01:39:58,000 --> 01:40:01,000
Including communications necessary for that purpose.

967
01:40:01,000 --> 01:40:05,000
Litigation or potential litigation affecting the municipality.

968
01:40:05,000 --> 01:40:07,000
Second.

969
01:40:07,000 --> 01:40:08,000
Thank you.

970
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:10,000
Thank you everyone who came out tonight.

971
01:40:10,000 --> 01:40:14,000
I will call the question all in favor.

972
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:17,000
And opposed.

973
01:40:17,000 --> 01:40:19,000
That carries unanimously.

974
01:40:19,000 --> 01:40:21,000
We are heading in camera.

975
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:29,000
Thank you.