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Good evening. This is the uh September
seven eight September 8th uh village of

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Lancing Board of Zoning Appeals meeting.
I'd like to uh call the meeting to

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order.
Uh and I would also then like to open

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our public hearing. So I'm going to need
a motion.

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» Deon, is there a second? Mike seconds.
All in favor? Right. Roy.

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» Thank you.
>> All right. So, the purpose of this

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meeting is to consider a uh sign in the
village that uh apparently

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some disagreement as to whether or not
it fits under our sign law or

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» I opened the public hearing.
>> I'm sorry.

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» We went right by.
>> I know. You got me.

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» We did it. Adam has uh turned in the uh
the public hearing notices to the uh

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budding properties. I do have that.
Okay.

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» Um everything else is pretty uh
self-explanatory. I can give you a

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reader digest first and I have him go
ahead and and explain his side. Um

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» why don't we have Adam had him from a
person?

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» Sure.
>> Just come on up and talk to us.

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» So I'm Adam with State Farm right down
the road. Appreciate you convening this

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meeting. Um, I think maybe the easiest
way is that I had sent a statement to

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the property owners. I'm not sure if you
guys had seen that, but maybe I can just

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read that statement kind of recaps the
event that led to us tonight. And then

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if you have any thoughts rather than
that sound good, good. Uh, so thank you

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for hearing the request for variance to
allow temporary seasonal signage for my

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business at a McGee Park insurance
agency. Currently, the permanent signage

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in my location uh displays a State Farm
logo, but it does not include my name or

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I identified at a given insurance
agency. This can create a confusion for

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customers uh trying to locate my office
and it makes it more difficult to

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distinguish my agency from the other
four State Farms uh that are located in

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the greater ethical area. Uh as a local
business in Lancing, I want customers to

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be able to clearly identify my agency
and know there is a state office located

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here.
Uh my intent using temporary signage was

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to season
and the visibility of my agency in a

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manner that is safe, professional,
appropriate for the commercial corridor

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along the network. Before purchasing any
signage, I conducted a basic review of

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the village's sign regulations and
understood the code to permit temporary

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signage. Uh based on that understanding,
I select portable signage and I believe

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you have seen probably the actual sign
down the road as well as the uh

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depiction from the State Farm website.
Um approved by State Farm and then

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stopped and received permission from my
landlord uh displayed at the property.

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So, I approached this process in good
faith with the intention of complying

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with the village's requirements. Uh, I'm
not seeking to install additional

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permanent signage or create excessive
visual clutter rather than requesting

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reasonable reasonable flexibility to use
temporary seasonal signage that helps

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customers identify while remaining
consistent with the commercial character

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and safety of the surrounding area. So I
respectfully ask this board to consider

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the practical circumstances of my
location, the limit identification

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provided by my existing permanent
signage and the temporary and seasonal

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nature of what I'm proposing and
considering my various requests.

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So that's

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about at the end of time is me if I'm
around time about a month and a half ago

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or so. Um, I saw the banner signs and I
stopped in to uh Adam's office and uh

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the gentleman was there. You weren't you
weren't in at the time. The gentleman

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was there and I said that uh uh the
village code does not allow banners in

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the village and to uh ask Adam if he
would remove those. And the young man

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said, "Sure, I'll I'll talk to I'll talk
to him about it." About a week later,

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the banners were still up. So, I stopped
in just as a reminder and Adam happened

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to be there and we sat in his office and
uh um Adam wasn't convinced that this

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should be classified as a banner. I
believe that was the language

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and I said, "Well, I I classified as a
banner and it's not allowed within the

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village and um it needs to be removed."
And so, we discussed a few other things

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and I went back to the office. Um, I
sent Adam an email. Well, he sent one.

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He was glad to meet me. I sent the same
thing back to him. Um,

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I said that uh I I sent the quote that
you have of what's restricted in the

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village. Uh, and not uh I'm not saying
that uh

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I'll read it right here.
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» Yes, there's 115
which is no sign or park there. may

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contain or consist of banners, posters,
pennants, ribbons, streamers, spinners,

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or other similar moving, fluttering or
revolving devices. These devices, as

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well as string lights, may not be used
for advertising or attracting attention

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to any other purpose. Uh, so I sent that
to Adam and um and I believe he came

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back, I'm paraphrasing, I believe Adam
gave us, you handed us the uh the email

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run, which is in a pamphlet that you had
right there. Um uh he stated, "Well,

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this was you wanted to take advantage of
a temporary sign for 3 days." And I

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said, "Well, even if it's a temporary
sign, I would need a uh temporary sign

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permit." And receiving a temporary sign
permit, I would deny it because it is

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classified in the banner. So either way
would have to come down. Um Adam

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disagreed with me and I said, "Well,
that's your right. You may go in front

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of the board of zoning appeals,
state your case. In the meantime, uh, I

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wrote up a notice of violation, uh, that
said they had to be removed within 30

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days. Um,
I' kind of let that go until Adam gets

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his hearing. Um, and then, uh, it's up
to you to decide at that point

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after this.
>> We ask Adam some questions.

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» And I'd also like to entertain any
comments from the audience if

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» Okay, go ahead.
>> Why don't you go first?

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Oh, I'm seeing
I saw those banners the day they went up

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as I was driving
and I was very upset when I saw them

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because I didn't know where the sun was
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especially

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and they were in the wind. Um
anyway, it was very upsetting to me

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because I thought they were
I want to say they are not attractive

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out there. And um we are trying to I
know Mike's been very busy working with

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the businesses along the road corridor
because there have been other slight

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issues on the corridor. We're really
trying to keep things within the

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character of what our missions are. Um,
but based on our sign law, the banners

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aren't allowed. And there's been other
places that we have banners and they've

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had to be asked to remove the banners.
Um, you know, your business is front and

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center right there. People should easily
find you. Um,

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it's not like you're hidden in the
building. Like for instance, back to

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balance massage therapy, which I I've
known cold for a long time and which is

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hidden in that building. Um, but your
friends

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obviously

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science former so she knew what said but
I risk

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» and my concerns are that memory is is
distracting. It's at a very busy

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intersection that already has issues
there with a

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place in memories. But um it also the
fact that you can put this up when we

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have had other people who came from and
have respected the code. It penalizes

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those who do respect.
And while we can do it as to

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whether it's attractive or not, um it's
my first thought and I'm not the only

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person. I've actually received comments
from other people say she tacky we need

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that because here's the state farm which
is very visible from the road. Um the

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only thing that it tells you is your
name which apparently obviously our

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names are very important to us but um
I'm on the CAAC committee which was

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hoping to work with businesses would be
one of them and we would like to work

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with you to improve how the central
corridor works and because you are part

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of that central corridor I my first
thought is oh my god this looks like a

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child which is where you see these
things and I And I know very well that

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the CC.

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So I would just say that
that's pretty much it for

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any
>> Mike. Go ahead.

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» First of all, I got to have a question
for Mike. You know the nationwide sign

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that they have on the side of that same
building?

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» You don't have to want that, but he
could have something like that, couldn't

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he? and that would have his name on it
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that building has a plan sign area so
that they do

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» would have to be probably on the side.
>> They have a certain uh square footage of

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signs signage that they can have on that
building altogether.

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» Oh, maybe it's breached though. Yeah,
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» and that I'm not saying that they've
reached it,

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» but they may have
>> sign on the building with your name on

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it is perfectly fine with an application
and I figure out if they

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» because it does have the uh
>> focus in particular on this sign which

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» right?
>> Oh yeah, I was just wondering other

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options. Yeah.
>> So So here's my questions for you.

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You know, we have to look at what the
zoning board's after. Okay. And if you

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think about it, there's six units in
your building. If we give you the right

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to have the whatever you want to call
this flag sign, all five other ones have

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to have the right to have that flag
sign. Whether they do it or not is the

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point. We got to look at what we're
creating. And at 30 233,

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there's 14 in the village campus office.
So, we'd have to give the right to have

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14 people right there. And I'm not even
talking further along. So that's why

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they took a long time with the zoning
and the planning board to create these.

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That's what they did want. So even
though I appreciate

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everybody's trying to make money in
business, everybody's trying to get

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their name out. We we sympathize for
that. In fact, that what she was

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referring to is an attempt to work with
the businesses to encourage them in many

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ways along this corridor. But we have to
look at what the goal of the planning

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commission was to set up. and they said
this is not the look we want. So that's

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one thing I wanted to mention to you.
And um the other is whether we argue

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whether it's a a flag or a banner or
whatever there is that catchall thing in

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the provision. So I can say tomato, you
could say tomato, but anything like that

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we're fair to interpret the way we
think. And I'm afraid I'd be leaning

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towards interpreting your banner as out.
That's just my feeling. Go ahead, Kim.

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» I I agree. Your point um was well taken
about the other five businesses or the

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business, you know, across the street
with what 14 mailboxes or so. It just

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creates a president um and it would be
inconsistent especially I was that we've

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had this situation previously with with
other um companies. So, and answers of

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maintaining that present. That's kind of
how it looks for me.

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» Excuse the question.
>> Um, you said seasonal. What do you mean

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by seasonal?
>> Well, a banner like this certainly would

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not be up in the winter months. It just
it wouldn't be practical. It's temporary

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portable signage. My intent was just to
have it up in the summer months, July,

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August into September when, you know,
it's our busy season. We want to avoid

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that confusion of folks not seeing my
name anywhere just saying State Farm

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because there's four other State Farm
agents. So just to awareness.

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» So going way way back before
some of you were even on this board and

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probably two code officers prior to
Mike. State Farm came to us for their

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original sign because they were fairly
new to the village. They had just moved

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into that building and they were
applying for a sign. They wanted a much

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larger sign than our than our um sign
law allows based on their occupied

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square footage, but we compromised and
they got a sign that was a bit larger

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than what is allowed for the office. Um,
so you already have had

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an exception made for the sign that is
there. I totally understand your issue

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with people not knowing who you are and
that you are the agent for that for that

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business. Um, but I highly recommend
sort of renegotiating the whole sign

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idea with something permanent on the
building, which means you'd have to

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apply for it and it would have to go
through the regular procedure so that

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you have your name on the building as
opposed to out at the corner. And I'd

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also like to say um
you know we're we're deliberating on

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this based on what our zoning law allows
for and I don't think it's a stretch to

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interpret that as a banner. Um, and I'd
like to say also that in redesigning

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North Trip Hammer Road some 20 years
now, we've made a real deliberate e

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deliberate effort in the village to make
it as uncluttered as possible yet still

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provide wayfinding, proper signage for
our businesses because we welcome

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businesses in this community and for
safety reasons. Um, but we did not want

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ourselves to be looking like what you
see when you drive down Meadow Street,

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which to me is just visual clutter,
visual cacophony. And that's what the

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village is really trying to avoid is
that kind of look. And everybody's got

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banners up in the city. If you look at
that, if you drive that corridor, that's

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exactly what we don't want in the
village. And I don't think I'm out of

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out of my depth here making that
statement, though. That's kind of our

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overarching aesthetic vision of what
we'd like our village to look like. And

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to me, the banner doesn't fit. But
that's just my, you know, it's my sense,

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but I also don't believe that it is in
keeping with our zoning law.

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» And could I just to follow up to that?
Um, when the sign was approved, I I

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wasn't really a part of that company
that stay subcontract, I think it is.

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Um, they actually applied. Um now
although we're thankful the sign is

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larger than you know was even allowed um
there was no sign an exterior sign that

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State Farm provided that would have my
name just because it was I couldn't get

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anything that would fit both. Um and
then the sign road again is too small it

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just says State Farm. So I'm not sure
when we're talking about the scope of

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finding alternative like I don't I mean
it wasn't an option five years ago. So

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if it is an option now that's fantastic.
But that seems different than what I was

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told.
>> Were you part of it five years ago?

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» Yeah. I mean, in a sense, it's Yeah, I
opened it. But a third party that's

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subcontract for State Farm, they're the
ones who handle all the signage. So,

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they applied, they submitted, they
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which I didn't even realize it was
larger than what was allowed. I was just

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told we couldn't do anything with my
name because there wasn't a fit with

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with code.
>> Yeah. I don't think it was a a lot

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larger, but it was larger. Um,
>> maybe they just didn't ask for your

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name. We don't know. Do you remember?
>> I don't remember. I don't remember. And

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you weren't before Mike's time.
>> Um, I have a few questions. This is Roy.

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You have questions?
>> No, I really couldn't add to anything

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that's already been said.
You envisioned this as temporary

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signage, but even under the code, and
I'm not sure which provision you looked

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at to think that this was permissible.
>> The longest period that I saw was 30

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days, but you just listed July, August,
and September, much longer than 30 days.

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So, what is the thought process?
>> So, you're correct. Like my

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interpretation of 30 days, but you asked
me what I would like to have.

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» Okay.
>> I'd like to use three months. I knew

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that there was a temporary provision for
30 days. And I'll be completely

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transparent. I used AI to search code
and they said there are temporary sign

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for 30 days. No permit required. So
that's why AI still

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» so that provision that AI found
unfortunately AI didn't do a full read

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of it because it's only for political
signage or like civic organizations

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without a permit. So there are a lot of
provisions in that temporary signage

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that would apply to, you know, opening a
new business, which is different. um if

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you want to advertise for a contractor
that you're using temporarily etc. So I

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disagree with AI's reading of the code.
So next time whenever you do anything

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the village I would first recommend
coming to Mike Scott because he is very

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helpful and can point you in the
direction to avoid situations like this.

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Am I correct or am I misremembering that
at one point there were two of these up

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or have you only ever had one? Why was
the second one taken down? kind of felt

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like those dollars that I think they
might actually be by not a landlord but

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by they're just they're not straight. So
there was one that I felt was visually

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appropriate. The second one I just
wasn't satisfied was the name was kind

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of
>> so I took that down just because I

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thought it looked better and also the
size of you know you buy something it

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shows up it's a little bit bigger. I
thought it was small I thought and it

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just seemed like one works best but
seemed like a good fit.

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» Okay. And then
would you agree that when the wind blows

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this also moves?
>> Oh, totally. Any sign other than like

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your concrete footer moves and like the
yard signs we see everywhere. I mean

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» in the wind it moves with the wind. If
it's not windy, yes, they're standing

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very straight. But when the wind blows,
it's flapping all around.

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» Okay.
>> Um the other thing about it is it is

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a distraction.
I don't like vertical signs because you

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have to stop and read them and you're
driving and it's just not the kind of

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thing you want to have visually on the
corner of a very busy complicated

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intersection. There are a lot of left
turns. I hate that intersection. It's so

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it's messy. I mean, we we do the best we
can, but it's just a distraction rather

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than an attraction. And so that's why I
dislike vertical signs. And it that's

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not in the code that that doesn't say
anything about the vertical sign, but

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the verticality makes it difficult to
read when you're driving.

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» So, there's got to be a better way to
advertise yourself,

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» right? I don't like you said it's not in
the code but good point about the

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vertical lettering but I just think for
the purposes of this interpretation just

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to circle back to the language that
we're looking at in 1155f

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that no sign or parthof may contain or
consist of banners posters pendants

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ribbons streamers spinners or other
similar moving fluttering or revolving

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devices
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I think there's these devices as well as
string of plates may not be used for

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advertising attracting attention or any
other purpose. So, it's the board's

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job to interpret whether this
feather flag, as I've learned they're

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called, uh, constitutes one of those are
in the catch all provision of other

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similarly moving fluttering or revolving
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Anyone have any other questions?
>> Do you have any other comments?

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» Um, no. I think Michael and I had
conversation, good dialogue. You know, I

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just wanted to make sure we could find a
way that you were able to get my name

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out there just to help the business
community as a whole.

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» So, this is the plan they read.
>> I'd have to double check here. That's

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for some reason. I think it they they
changed a few signs on it before and I

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believe I
>> landlord

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» uh Dr. Watu.
>> Okay.

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implication.

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Peter were talking about. So if he
wanted to have this name on the

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building, not fluttering, but you know,
every taste the way um a variance that

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would be you would come for a variance
for that and that might be more

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acceptable
to some of us or would be I mean I think

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these other things I don't think it's I
don't think it sends a message but I

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understand you anyway there. But I mean
that's another possible

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but um something to consider
>> and then it would be permanent. It

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wouldn't just you would have the ability
to have your name on the building. So

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yeah, I mean even if you're at the sign
capacity, you can get a variance for

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sign area if the sign is
>> if it is a sign. I said I'd have to do a

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research and send you whether it's a
signed plan sign area or whether you

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actually if it's plan sign area there's
calculation for what square footage you

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could have depending on uh the length of
the facade that you have your business

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which would be the whole almost the
whole front end

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» half the front end I would have to
figure that out.

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» Is there a sign pylon there?
>> Sure. I'm sorry.

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» I'm sorry. Is there a sign pylon that
that has the different occupants of the

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building
>> corner? There is. Yeah, I have a picture

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of it if you want.
>> I can't remember that.

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» This is the one that shows that shows
the buildings that are there, you know.

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But there's one on the ones on the
building, too, that I was referring to.

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» Yeah, the other one looked nice. Let me
see how pull it up to get.

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» It's the one like that one that's on the
side that the nationwide sign.

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» Yeah.
>> And it has the name lights up.

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» Yep.
>> Uh

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» and it's got his name on it.
>> So it's just just what's already there.

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But like Mike says, I don't know where
they sign it works with what's already

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been.
>> This is the awning sign.

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» Who has a big sign? You know awning
sign.

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» There's a sign over the
>> There's another sign.

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» Yes. sign. The sign on the door.
>> That's just the awning.

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» Another sign.
>> There's a sign. Is there not a sign on

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the door over the door? Isn't that
>> It says state baring.

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» Not the awning, but an actual

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» Yeah,
>> that's what

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» I think there's ours out the door or
next to the door. There's like a little

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» That's a small He's not talking about
that being any kind of thing. He

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» could about this.
>> That's what I'm

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» Yeah, I understand why you can't put the
name on that, but if you had

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» Yeah, if he had a nationwide a
nationwide

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» that might suck.
>> We get we'll get into my grandkid.

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» No, you're done. I was just trying to
use that.

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» Yeah. Okay. Are there any other comments
before we start to deliberate?

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Right.
The public

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» I I need a motion to close the public
hearing if there are no more comments.

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» Motion second. Okay. All in favor?
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public hearing is closed. And now what
we will do is um consider the request

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um the village of Lancing board of
zoning appeals resolution uh for

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September 8th 2026 for appeal number
2026-8.

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This matter involves consideration of
the following proposed action appeal

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number 2026-8.
The village of Lancing code and zoning

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officer determ determined that the
feather flag installed at 20 flee 59

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north road in the village of Lancing
uh violates the village lancing code uh

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section 115-5F.
The McGyvern Insurance Agency

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represented by Adam McGyvern appealed to
the board of zoning appeals for an

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interpretation of chapter 115-5F as it
relates to the feather flags flag. The

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board's duty in an interpretation appeal
is to determine the meaning and

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applicability of the provisions of the
zoning code based upon the language of

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the code, the record before the board
and the facts presented. Excuse me. And

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the village of Lancing code 115-5F
provides as follows. As Natalie said, no

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sign or part thereof may contain or
consist of banners, posters, pennants,

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ribbons, streamers, spinners, or other
similar moving, fluttering, or revolving

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devices. These devices, as well as
strings of lights, may not be used for

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advertising or tracking attention or for
any other purpose. And on September 8th,

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2026, the Village of Lancing Board of
Zoning Appeals held a public hearing

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regarding such action and therefore
thoroughly reviewed and analyzed the

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materials and information presented by
and on behalf of the applicant in

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support of this appeal, all other
information and materials rightfully

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before the board and all issues raised
during the public hearing and or

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otherwise raised in the course of the
board's deliberations. So now we need to

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pass a resolution.
Uh the village of Lancing Code section

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115- F5F prohibits signs consisting of
banners, posters, penants, ribbons,

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streamers, spinners, and other similar
moving, fluttering, or revolving

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devices. Based on the record before the
board, the feather flag is or is not

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within the ordinary or commonly
understood meaning and or similar in

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character
to the banner penants and river

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strainers, the spinners and other moving
fluttering revolver devices as

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identified in 115.
So what we need now is a motion to

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either accept or reject the notion that
it is a banner.

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Make a motion to reject it. Everyone to
to say that it is definitely

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» is a
>> Is there a second?

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» All in favor?

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» Moving on.
>> I don't think there's any additional

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findings or
>> No, there are no other than um there are

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no findings. Uh and there are no uh
conditions other than to maybe

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reconsider.
>> No, we have to do four.

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» Yes.
>> Sure.

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Um
>> I was saying if there's anything else

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you want to write into
space for that but I don't believe so I

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don't know anybody want to point
anything

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» that the interpretation advanced by the
code and zoning officer is or is not

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consistent with the language and purpose
>> I'll say is consistent

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» all agreed a resolution no that's what
we're doing so you're answering it's all

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part of that resolution the final
resolution will be the vote be it

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further resolved that the board hereby
affirms the code zoning officer's

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interpretation that the sign at issue is
prohibited under 115-5F

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of the village of Lancing zoning code or
reverses the code officer's

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interpretation
which shall it be

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» affirm
by Don second by

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» the first and second
>> and then Deon all in favor

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» that it affirms all right agreed thank
you

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all right So, we unanimously have
decided that it is a banner and that it

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doesn't meet our time standards for the
village of Lancing. I'm sorry, but it's

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the way we operate.
>> Good luck with your business. I think

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they're going to get to know you anyway.
>> Well, I appreciate it.

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» How long have you been there?
>> This is 26 years.

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But I I really appreciate everyone's
time, especially it's really intense to

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figure open up that dialogue and figure
out how to come a solution to a problem.

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» Well, and Lorraine has that direction.
>> Yeah. And Lorraine had a point. So the

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the community what is it the community
engagement?

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» So I think that's where you could easily
discuss ways that businesses could make

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themselves still comply with our sign
law.

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actually needs mention that we don't
want to ignore your needs, but on the

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other hand, you have to realize that we
have ours and there's a reason for them.

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Um, we just don't there are places in
this county that we don't want to

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resemble and I think we've done a pretty
good job. Um, we've worked really hard

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on our sign law and our street trees and
the way things look in the village. you

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know, we want people to have a good
impression. So, that's kind of what

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we're trying to uphold here.
>> So, just a quick question for variance

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for consideration of the extension of
what we're talking about tonight. Is

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that going to be a new application or
can we just

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» I can send you I can send you some
>> I can send me an email which you're

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looking for and then I can send you
back. I won't be in the office tomorrow.

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I'm at a SEO meeting, but the next I can
get back to you by

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» and then what's the other thing as far
as sign get that down and a day

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tomorrow.
>> Okay.

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» Not immediately, please.
>> I guess I just have a comment for you.

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If
let me show her this. I know we're over,

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but this is a better picture of what you
were trying to see.

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» What I wanted remember you said there
was something on the door.

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» I think Lynn was referring to the on
>> on the building.

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» Yeah.
>> Yeah. No, that's not visible. That's

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just when you walk up,
>> you give the measurements of the nation,

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right? Sign and the lighting. Maybe you
would find who who makes them and then

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you got an example to put with your
application assuming that's the size you

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wanted.
Okay. Sorry.

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» You're fine.
>> Grace,

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» close up.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm just thinking about that

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corner. They're the same. I think
they're called montalk daisies. Am I

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right, Lisa?
>> They bloom about this time of year. They

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love it there.
>> I used to weed that garden myself. I

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used

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» Yeah, they're very late summer.
>> Beautiful.

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» Really interesting part because I mean
it has so much potential. It looks

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really good at times, but it was awesome
times. Well, one thing one problem with

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that is I used to weed it and um
>> the deer ate a lot of stuff in there.

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» They they just do a number on a lot of
things in the village that you just have

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to figure out what to plant that they
won't most of the time won't eat. The

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other is it's a kind of a hot dry site.
It's very exposed to the western sun and

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it's very steep so water doesn't stay on
it when it falls.

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» So it's
>> Yeah. I don't know how they they finally

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establish themselves. I don't see
anybody dead heads in the I think they

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» just
um as a matter of fact this coming

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weekend design concepts the grant that
was given to design connect

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» design what design connect
>> design connect the kids

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» they're going to come and walk the
corridor starting all the way from the

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trip mall up on both sides and back with
and um the idea is to work with down to

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» Are they looking for input?
>> Yeah.

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» So these are sending original planet
students. Yeah. So

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» yeah, maybe maybe they can get some
feedback on, you know, on

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beautifification, right?
>> Yes.

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» All right.
>> I got to turn the meeting.

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» I have a motion to the meeting, please.
Moved by Mike, second by D. Um Devon,

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all in favor.
>> Thank you everybody.

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» You

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going down the docket. What's that? Is