[0:02] Good evening. This is the uh September
seven eight September 8th uh village of
[0:10] Lancing Board of Zoning Appeals meeting.
I'd like to uh call the meeting to
[0:14] order.
Uh and I would also then like to open
[0:19] our public hearing. So I'm going to need
a motion.
[0:22] » Deon, is there a second? Mike seconds.
All in favor? Right. Roy.
[0:29] » Thank you.
>> All right. So, the purpose of this
[0:32] meeting is to consider a uh sign in the
village that uh apparently
[0:39] some disagreement as to whether or not
it fits under our sign law or
[0:46] » I opened the public hearing.
>> I'm sorry.
[0:48] » We went right by.
>> I know. You got me.
[0:52] » We did it. Adam has uh turned in the uh
the public hearing notices to the uh
[0:59] budding properties. I do have that.
Okay.
[1:01] » Um everything else is pretty uh
self-explanatory. I can give you a
[1:05] reader digest first and I have him go
ahead and and explain his side. Um
[1:10] » why don't we have Adam had him from a
person?
[1:12] » Sure.
>> Just come on up and talk to us.
[1:17] » So I'm Adam with State Farm right down
the road. Appreciate you convening this
[1:21] meeting. Um, I think maybe the easiest
way is that I had sent a statement to
[1:26] the property owners. I'm not sure if you
guys had seen that, but maybe I can just
[1:29] read that statement kind of recaps the
event that led to us tonight. And then
[1:34] if you have any thoughts rather than
that sound good, good. Uh, so thank you
[1:41] for hearing the request for variance to
allow temporary seasonal signage for my
[1:45] business at a McGee Park insurance
agency. Currently, the permanent signage
[1:50] in my location uh displays a State Farm
logo, but it does not include my name or
[1:55] I identified at a given insurance
agency. This can create a confusion for
[2:00] customers uh trying to locate my office
and it makes it more difficult to
[2:03] distinguish my agency from the other
four State Farms uh that are located in
[2:07] the greater ethical area. Uh as a local
business in Lancing, I want customers to
[2:12] be able to clearly identify my agency
and know there is a state office located
[2:17] here.
Uh my intent using temporary signage was
[2:22] to season
and the visibility of my agency in a
[2:26] manner that is safe, professional,
appropriate for the commercial corridor
[2:31] along the network. Before purchasing any
signage, I conducted a basic review of
[2:36] the village's sign regulations and
understood the code to permit temporary
[2:40] signage. Uh based on that understanding,
I select portable signage and I believe
[2:45] you have seen probably the actual sign
down the road as well as the uh
[2:49] depiction from the State Farm website.
Um approved by State Farm and then
[2:53] stopped and received permission from my
landlord uh displayed at the property.
[2:58] So, I approached this process in good
faith with the intention of complying
[3:01] with the village's requirements. Uh, I'm
not seeking to install additional
[3:06] permanent signage or create excessive
visual clutter rather than requesting
[3:11] reasonable reasonable flexibility to use
temporary seasonal signage that helps
[3:16] customers identify while remaining
consistent with the commercial character
[3:21] and safety of the surrounding area. So I
respectfully ask this board to consider
[3:26] the practical circumstances of my
location, the limit identification
[3:30] provided by my existing permanent
signage and the temporary and seasonal
[3:34] nature of what I'm proposing and
considering my various requests.
[3:39] So that's
[3:44] about at the end of time is me if I'm
around time about a month and a half ago
[3:48] or so. Um, I saw the banner signs and I
stopped in to uh Adam's office and uh
[3:55] the gentleman was there. You weren't you
weren't in at the time. The gentleman
[3:59] was there and I said that uh uh the
village code does not allow banners in
[4:04] the village and to uh ask Adam if he
would remove those. And the young man
[4:10] said, "Sure, I'll I'll talk to I'll talk
to him about it." About a week later,
[4:14] the banners were still up. So, I stopped
in just as a reminder and Adam happened
[4:18] to be there and we sat in his office and
uh um Adam wasn't convinced that this
[4:25] should be classified as a banner. I
believe that was the language
[4:30] and I said, "Well, I I classified as a
banner and it's not allowed within the
[4:34] village and um it needs to be removed."
And so, we discussed a few other things
[4:40] and I went back to the office. Um, I
sent Adam an email. Well, he sent one.
[4:47] He was glad to meet me. I sent the same
thing back to him. Um,
[4:52] I said that uh I I sent the quote that
you have of what's restricted in the
[4:58] village. Uh, and not uh I'm not saying
that uh
[5:03] I'll read it right here.
>> 5.
[5:08] » Yes, there's 115
which is no sign or park there. may
[5:12] contain or consist of banners, posters,
pennants, ribbons, streamers, spinners,
[5:17] or other similar moving, fluttering or
revolving devices. These devices, as
[5:21] well as string lights, may not be used
for advertising or attracting attention
[5:25] to any other purpose. Uh, so I sent that
to Adam and um and I believe he came
[5:31] back, I'm paraphrasing, I believe Adam
gave us, you handed us the uh the email
[5:36] run, which is in a pamphlet that you had
right there. Um uh he stated, "Well,
[5:42] this was you wanted to take advantage of
a temporary sign for 3 days." And I
[5:46] said, "Well, even if it's a temporary
sign, I would need a uh temporary sign
[5:51] permit." And receiving a temporary sign
permit, I would deny it because it is
[5:56] classified in the banner. So either way
would have to come down. Um Adam
[6:01] disagreed with me and I said, "Well,
that's your right. You may go in front
[6:04] of the board of zoning appeals,
state your case. In the meantime, uh, I
[6:10] wrote up a notice of violation, uh, that
said they had to be removed within 30
[6:14] days. Um,
I' kind of let that go until Adam gets
[6:19] his hearing. Um, and then, uh, it's up
to you to decide at that point
[6:26] after this.
>> We ask Adam some questions.
[6:28] » And I'd also like to entertain any
comments from the audience if
[6:32] » Okay, go ahead.
>> Why don't you go first?
[6:38] Oh, I'm seeing
I saw those banners the day they went up
[6:45] as I was driving
and I was very upset when I saw them
[6:49] because I didn't know where the sun was
and
[6:54] especially
[6:57] and they were in the wind. Um
anyway, it was very upsetting to me
[7:03] because I thought they were
I want to say they are not attractive
[7:09] out there. And um we are trying to I
know Mike's been very busy working with
[7:15] the businesses along the road corridor
because there have been other slight
[7:19] issues on the corridor. We're really
trying to keep things within the
[7:24] character of what our missions are. Um,
but based on our sign law, the banners
[7:31] aren't allowed. And there's been other
places that we have banners and they've
[7:35] had to be asked to remove the banners.
Um, you know, your business is front and
[7:39] center right there. People should easily
find you. Um,
[7:45] it's not like you're hidden in the
building. Like for instance, back to
[7:49] balance massage therapy, which I I've
known cold for a long time and which is
[7:55] hidden in that building. Um, but your
friends
[8:04] obviously
[8:17] science former so she knew what said but
I risk
[8:23] » and my concerns are that memory is is
distracting. It's at a very busy
[8:31] intersection that already has issues
there with a
[8:35] place in memories. But um it also the
fact that you can put this up when we
[8:41] have had other people who came from and
have respected the code. It penalizes
[8:47] those who do respect.
And while we can do it as to
[8:53] whether it's attractive or not, um it's
my first thought and I'm not the only
[8:58] person. I've actually received comments
from other people say she tacky we need
[9:02] that because here's the state farm which
is very visible from the road. Um the
[9:08] only thing that it tells you is your
name which apparently obviously our
[9:11] names are very important to us but um
I'm on the CAAC committee which was
[9:19] hoping to work with businesses would be
one of them and we would like to work
[9:24] with you to improve how the central
corridor works and because you are part
[9:29] of that central corridor I my first
thought is oh my god this looks like a
[9:33] child which is where you see these
things and I And I know very well that
[9:38] the CC.
[9:43] So I would just say that
that's pretty much it for
[9:53] any
>> Mike. Go ahead.
[9:56] » First of all, I got to have a question
for Mike. You know the nationwide sign
[10:00] that they have on the side of that same
building?
[10:03] » You don't have to want that, but he
could have something like that, couldn't
[10:06] he? and that would have his name on it
>> as application. I'd have to I believe
[10:11] that building has a plan sign area so
that they do
[10:14] » would have to be probably on the side.
>> They have a certain uh square footage of
[10:18] signs signage that they can have on that
building altogether.
[10:22] » Oh, maybe it's breached though. Yeah,
>> it goes with the building
[10:25] » and that I'm not saying that they've
reached it,
[10:27] » but they may have
>> sign on the building with your name on
[10:31] it is perfectly fine with an application
and I figure out if they
[10:37] » because it does have the uh
>> focus in particular on this sign which
[10:41] » right?
>> Oh yeah, I was just wondering other
[10:43] options. Yeah.
>> So So here's my questions for you.
[10:48] You know, we have to look at what the
zoning board's after. Okay. And if you
[10:54] think about it, there's six units in
your building. If we give you the right
[10:59] to have the whatever you want to call
this flag sign, all five other ones have
[11:03] to have the right to have that flag
sign. Whether they do it or not is the
[11:07] point. We got to look at what we're
creating. And at 30 233,
[11:12] there's 14 in the village campus office.
So, we'd have to give the right to have
[11:17] 14 people right there. And I'm not even
talking further along. So that's why
[11:22] they took a long time with the zoning
and the planning board to create these.
[11:27] That's what they did want. So even
though I appreciate
[11:33] everybody's trying to make money in
business, everybody's trying to get
[11:35] their name out. We we sympathize for
that. In fact, that what she was
[11:39] referring to is an attempt to work with
the businesses to encourage them in many
[11:44] ways along this corridor. But we have to
look at what the goal of the planning
[11:48] commission was to set up. and they said
this is not the look we want. So that's
[11:53] one thing I wanted to mention to you.
And um the other is whether we argue
[11:59] whether it's a a flag or a banner or
whatever there is that catchall thing in
[12:06] the provision. So I can say tomato, you
could say tomato, but anything like that
[12:13] we're fair to interpret the way we
think. And I'm afraid I'd be leaning
[12:17] towards interpreting your banner as out.
That's just my feeling. Go ahead, Kim.
[12:21] » I I agree. Your point um was well taken
about the other five businesses or the
[12:26] business, you know, across the street
with what 14 mailboxes or so. It just
[12:30] creates a president um and it would be
inconsistent especially I was that we've
[12:36] had this situation previously with with
other um companies. So, and answers of
[12:41] maintaining that present. That's kind of
how it looks for me.
[12:45] » Excuse the question.
>> Um, you said seasonal. What do you mean
[12:49] by seasonal?
>> Well, a banner like this certainly would
[12:52] not be up in the winter months. It just
it wouldn't be practical. It's temporary
[12:57] portable signage. My intent was just to
have it up in the summer months, July,
[13:01] August into September when, you know,
it's our busy season. We want to avoid
[13:06] that confusion of folks not seeing my
name anywhere just saying State Farm
[13:11] because there's four other State Farm
agents. So just to awareness.
[13:16] » So going way way back before
some of you were even on this board and
[13:22] probably two code officers prior to
Mike. State Farm came to us for their
[13:29] original sign because they were fairly
new to the village. They had just moved
[13:34] into that building and they were
applying for a sign. They wanted a much
[13:37] larger sign than our than our um sign
law allows based on their occupied
[13:43] square footage, but we compromised and
they got a sign that was a bit larger
[13:48] than what is allowed for the office. Um,
so you already have had
[13:55] an exception made for the sign that is
there. I totally understand your issue
[14:01] with people not knowing who you are and
that you are the agent for that for that
[14:05] business. Um, but I highly recommend
sort of renegotiating the whole sign
[14:10] idea with something permanent on the
building, which means you'd have to
[14:13] apply for it and it would have to go
through the regular procedure so that
[14:17] you have your name on the building as
opposed to out at the corner. And I'd
[14:21] also like to say um
you know we're we're deliberating on
[14:26] this based on what our zoning law allows
for and I don't think it's a stretch to
[14:32] interpret that as a banner. Um, and I'd
like to say also that in redesigning
[14:37] North Trip Hammer Road some 20 years
now, we've made a real deliberate e
[14:42] deliberate effort in the village to make
it as uncluttered as possible yet still
[14:49] provide wayfinding, proper signage for
our businesses because we welcome
[14:53] businesses in this community and for
safety reasons. Um, but we did not want
[14:59] ourselves to be looking like what you
see when you drive down Meadow Street,
[15:04] which to me is just visual clutter,
visual cacophony. And that's what the
[15:09] village is really trying to avoid is
that kind of look. And everybody's got
[15:14] banners up in the city. If you look at
that, if you drive that corridor, that's
[15:18] exactly what we don't want in the
village. And I don't think I'm out of
[15:23] out of my depth here making that
statement, though. That's kind of our
[15:27] overarching aesthetic vision of what
we'd like our village to look like. And
[15:33] to me, the banner doesn't fit. But
that's just my, you know, it's my sense,
[15:38] but I also don't believe that it is in
keeping with our zoning law.
[15:43] » And could I just to follow up to that?
Um, when the sign was approved, I I
[15:48] wasn't really a part of that company
that stay subcontract, I think it is.
[15:53] Um, they actually applied. Um now
although we're thankful the sign is
[15:56] larger than you know was even allowed um
there was no sign an exterior sign that
[16:02] State Farm provided that would have my
name just because it was I couldn't get
[16:06] anything that would fit both. Um and
then the sign road again is too small it
[16:11] just says State Farm. So I'm not sure
when we're talking about the scope of
[16:15] finding alternative like I don't I mean
it wasn't an option five years ago. So
[16:21] if it is an option now that's fantastic.
But that seems different than what I was
[16:26] told.
>> Were you part of it five years ago?
[16:29] » Yeah. I mean, in a sense, it's Yeah, I
opened it. But a third party that's
[16:35] subcontract for State Farm, they're the
ones who handle all the signage. So,
[16:38] they applied, they submitted, they
proposed, and that was what was allowed,
[16:42] which I didn't even realize it was
larger than what was allowed. I was just
[16:46] told we couldn't do anything with my
name because there wasn't a fit with
[16:49] with code.
>> Yeah. I don't think it was a a lot
[16:54] larger, but it was larger. Um,
>> maybe they just didn't ask for your
[16:58] name. We don't know. Do you remember?
>> I don't remember. I don't remember. And
[17:03] you weren't before Mike's time.
>> Um, I have a few questions. This is Roy.
[17:09] You have questions?
>> No, I really couldn't add to anything
[17:12] that's already been said.
You envisioned this as temporary
[17:17] signage, but even under the code, and
I'm not sure which provision you looked
[17:21] at to think that this was permissible.
>> The longest period that I saw was 30
[17:26] days, but you just listed July, August,
and September, much longer than 30 days.
[17:31] So, what is the thought process?
>> So, you're correct. Like my
[17:35] interpretation of 30 days, but you asked
me what I would like to have.
[17:39] » Okay.
>> I'd like to use three months. I knew
[17:42] that there was a temporary provision for
30 days. And I'll be completely
[17:45] transparent. I used AI to search code
and they said there are temporary sign
[17:49] for 30 days. No permit required. So
that's why AI still
[17:53] » so that provision that AI found
unfortunately AI didn't do a full read
[17:57] of it because it's only for political
signage or like civic organizations
[18:01] without a permit. So there are a lot of
provisions in that temporary signage
[18:05] that would apply to, you know, opening a
new business, which is different. um if
[18:10] you want to advertise for a contractor
that you're using temporarily etc. So I
[18:15] disagree with AI's reading of the code.
So next time whenever you do anything
[18:20] the village I would first recommend
coming to Mike Scott because he is very
[18:23] helpful and can point you in the
direction to avoid situations like this.
[18:28] Am I correct or am I misremembering that
at one point there were two of these up
[18:32] or have you only ever had one? Why was
the second one taken down? kind of felt
[18:36] like those dollars that I think they
might actually be by not a landlord but
[18:41] by they're just they're not straight. So
there was one that I felt was visually
[18:46] appropriate. The second one I just
wasn't satisfied was the name was kind
[18:49] of
>> so I took that down just because I
[18:51] thought it looked better and also the
size of you know you buy something it
[18:55] shows up it's a little bit bigger. I
thought it was small I thought and it
[18:58] just seemed like one works best but
seemed like a good fit.
[19:01] » Okay. And then
would you agree that when the wind blows
[19:07] this also moves?
>> Oh, totally. Any sign other than like
[19:10] your concrete footer moves and like the
yard signs we see everywhere. I mean
[19:16] » in the wind it moves with the wind. If
it's not windy, yes, they're standing
[19:19] very straight. But when the wind blows,
it's flapping all around.
[19:23] » Okay.
>> Um the other thing about it is it is
[19:30] a distraction.
I don't like vertical signs because you
[19:34] have to stop and read them and you're
driving and it's just not the kind of
[19:39] thing you want to have visually on the
corner of a very busy complicated
[19:43] intersection. There are a lot of left
turns. I hate that intersection. It's so
[19:49] it's messy. I mean, we we do the best we
can, but it's just a distraction rather
[19:54] than an attraction. And so that's why I
dislike vertical signs. And it that's
[20:00] not in the code that that doesn't say
anything about the vertical sign, but
[20:04] the verticality makes it difficult to
read when you're driving.
[20:09] » So, there's got to be a better way to
advertise yourself,
[20:13] » right? I don't like you said it's not in
the code but good point about the
[20:17] vertical lettering but I just think for
the purposes of this interpretation just
[20:21] to circle back to the language that
we're looking at in 1155f
[20:25] that no sign or parthof may contain or
consist of banners posters pendants
[20:30] ribbons streamers spinners or other
similar moving fluttering or revolving
[20:35] devices
um
[20:39] I think there's these devices as well as
string of plates may not be used for
[20:42] advertising attracting attention or any
other purpose. So, it's the board's
[20:49] job to interpret whether this
feather flag, as I've learned they're
[20:55] called, uh, constitutes one of those are
in the catch all provision of other
[21:00] similarly moving fluttering or revolving
devices.
[21:06] Anyone have any other questions?
>> Do you have any other comments?
[21:12] » Um, no. I think Michael and I had
conversation, good dialogue. You know, I
[21:17] just wanted to make sure we could find a
way that you were able to get my name
[21:21] out there just to help the business
community as a whole.
[21:25] » So, this is the plan they read.
>> I'd have to double check here. That's
[21:31] for some reason. I think it they they
changed a few signs on it before and I
[21:36] believe I
>> landlord
[21:38] » uh Dr. Watu.
>> Okay.
[21:41] Yeah, it may it may not be an
implication.
[21:44] Peter were talking about. So if he
wanted to have this name on the
[21:50] building, not fluttering, but you know,
every taste the way um a variance that
[21:57] would be you would come for a variance
for that and that might be more
[22:02] acceptable
to some of us or would be I mean I think
[22:07] these other things I don't think it's I
don't think it sends a message but I
[22:14] understand you anyway there. But I mean
that's another possible
[22:21] but um something to consider
>> and then it would be permanent. It
[22:25] wouldn't just you would have the ability
to have your name on the building. So
[22:31] yeah, I mean even if you're at the sign
capacity, you can get a variance for
[22:36] sign area if the sign is
>> if it is a sign. I said I'd have to do a
[22:40] research and send you whether it's a
signed plan sign area or whether you
[22:45] actually if it's plan sign area there's
calculation for what square footage you
[22:50] could have depending on uh the length of
the facade that you have your business
[22:57] which would be the whole almost the
whole front end
[23:00] » half the front end I would have to
figure that out.
[23:03] » Is there a sign pylon there?
>> Sure. I'm sorry.
[23:05] » I'm sorry. Is there a sign pylon that
that has the different occupants of the
[23:09] building
>> corner? There is. Yeah, I have a picture
[23:12] of it if you want.
>> I can't remember that.
[23:20] » This is the one that shows that shows
the buildings that are there, you know.
[23:26] But there's one on the ones on the
building, too, that I was referring to.
[23:30] » Yeah, the other one looked nice. Let me
see how pull it up to get.
[23:36] » It's the one like that one that's on the
side that the nationwide sign.
[23:42] » Yeah.
>> And it has the name lights up.
[23:44] » Yep.
>> Uh
[23:45] » and it's got his name on it.
>> So it's just just what's already there.
[23:49] But like Mike says, I don't know where
they sign it works with what's already
[23:53] been.
>> This is the awning sign.
[23:55] » Who has a big sign? You know awning
sign.
[23:58] » There's a sign over the
>> There's another sign.
[24:00] » Yes. sign. The sign on the door.
>> That's just the awning.
[24:07] » Another sign.
>> There's a sign. Is there not a sign on
[24:10] the door over the door? Isn't that
>> It says state baring.
[24:17] » Not the awning, but an actual
[24:21] » Yeah,
>> that's what
[24:24] » I think there's ours out the door or
next to the door. There's like a little
[24:28] » That's a small He's not talking about
that being any kind of thing. He
[24:33] » could about this.
>> That's what I'm
[24:35] » Yeah, I understand why you can't put the
name on that, but if you had
[24:38] » Yeah, if he had a nationwide a
nationwide
[24:43] » that might suck.
>> We get we'll get into my grandkid.
[24:50] » No, you're done. I was just trying to
use that.
[24:54] » Yeah. Okay. Are there any other comments
before we start to deliberate?
[25:00] Right.
The public
[25:02] » I I need a motion to close the public
hearing if there are no more comments.
[25:06] » Motion second. Okay. All in favor?
>> I
[25:12] public hearing is closed. And now what
we will do is um consider the request
[25:18] um the village of Lancing board of
zoning appeals resolution uh for
[25:22] September 8th 2026 for appeal number
2026-8.
[25:29] This matter involves consideration of
the following proposed action appeal
[25:32] number 2026-8.
The village of Lancing code and zoning
[25:37] officer determ determined that the
feather flag installed at 20 flee 59
[25:42] north road in the village of Lancing
uh violates the village lancing code uh
[25:49] section 115-5F.
The McGyvern Insurance Agency
[25:54] represented by Adam McGyvern appealed to
the board of zoning appeals for an
[25:58] interpretation of chapter 115-5F as it
relates to the feather flags flag. The
[26:05] board's duty in an interpretation appeal
is to determine the meaning and
[26:08] applicability of the provisions of the
zoning code based upon the language of
[26:12] the code, the record before the board
and the facts presented. Excuse me. And
[26:18] the village of Lancing code 115-5F
provides as follows. As Natalie said, no
[26:25] sign or part thereof may contain or
consist of banners, posters, pennants,
[26:29] ribbons, streamers, spinners, or other
similar moving, fluttering, or revolving
[26:33] devices. These devices, as well as
strings of lights, may not be used for
[26:37] advertising or tracking attention or for
any other purpose. And on September 8th,
[26:43] 2026, the Village of Lancing Board of
Zoning Appeals held a public hearing
[26:47] regarding such action and therefore
thoroughly reviewed and analyzed the
[26:51] materials and information presented by
and on behalf of the applicant in
[26:55] support of this appeal, all other
information and materials rightfully
[26:58] before the board and all issues raised
during the public hearing and or
[27:03] otherwise raised in the course of the
board's deliberations. So now we need to
[27:08] pass a resolution.
Uh the village of Lancing Code section
[27:13] 115- F5F prohibits signs consisting of
banners, posters, penants, ribbons,
[27:18] streamers, spinners, and other similar
moving, fluttering, or revolving
[27:22] devices. Based on the record before the
board, the feather flag is or is not
[27:28] within the ordinary or commonly
understood meaning and or similar in
[27:32] character
to the banner penants and river
[27:35] strainers, the spinners and other moving
fluttering revolver devices as
[27:39] identified in 115.
So what we need now is a motion to
[27:43] either accept or reject the notion that
it is a banner.
[27:50] Make a motion to reject it. Everyone to
to say that it is definitely
[27:54] » is a
>> Is there a second?
[27:58] » All in favor?
[28:02] » Moving on.
>> I don't think there's any additional
[28:04] findings or
>> No, there are no other than um there are
[28:07] no findings. Uh and there are no uh
conditions other than to maybe
[28:12] reconsider.
>> No, we have to do four.
[28:14] » Yes.
>> Sure.
[28:16] Um
>> I was saying if there's anything else
[28:18] you want to write into
space for that but I don't believe so I
[28:24] don't know anybody want to point
anything
[28:26] » that the interpretation advanced by the
code and zoning officer is or is not
[28:30] consistent with the language and purpose
>> I'll say is consistent
[28:35] » all agreed a resolution no that's what
we're doing so you're answering it's all
[28:39] part of that resolution the final
resolution will be the vote be it
[28:43] further resolved that the board hereby
affirms the code zoning officer's
[28:46] interpretation that the sign at issue is
prohibited under 115-5F
[28:52] of the village of Lancing zoning code or
reverses the code officer's
[28:56] interpretation
which shall it be
[29:00] » affirm
by Don second by
[29:03] » the first and second
>> and then Deon all in favor
[29:09] » that it affirms all right agreed thank
you
[29:14] all right So, we unanimously have
decided that it is a banner and that it
[29:20] doesn't meet our time standards for the
village of Lancing. I'm sorry, but it's
[29:27] the way we operate.
>> Good luck with your business. I think
[29:33] they're going to get to know you anyway.
>> Well, I appreciate it.
[29:37] » How long have you been there?
>> This is 26 years.
[29:42] But I I really appreciate everyone's
time, especially it's really intense to
[29:45] figure open up that dialogue and figure
out how to come a solution to a problem.
[29:48] » Well, and Lorraine has that direction.
>> Yeah. And Lorraine had a point. So the
[29:53] the community what is it the community
engagement?
[30:02] » So I think that's where you could easily
discuss ways that businesses could make
[30:06] themselves still comply with our sign
law.
[30:10] actually needs mention that we don't
want to ignore your needs, but on the
[30:18] other hand, you have to realize that we
have ours and there's a reason for them.
[30:23] Um, we just don't there are places in
this county that we don't want to
[30:28] resemble and I think we've done a pretty
good job. Um, we've worked really hard
[30:33] on our sign law and our street trees and
the way things look in the village. you
[30:39] know, we want people to have a good
impression. So, that's kind of what
[30:43] we're trying to uphold here.
>> So, just a quick question for variance
[30:47] for consideration of the extension of
what we're talking about tonight. Is
[30:50] that going to be a new application or
can we just
[30:53] » I can send you I can send you some
>> I can send me an email which you're
[30:59] looking for and then I can send you
back. I won't be in the office tomorrow.
[31:02] I'm at a SEO meeting, but the next I can
get back to you by
[31:06] » and then what's the other thing as far
as sign get that down and a day
[31:09] tomorrow.
>> Okay.
[31:12] » Not immediately, please.
>> I guess I just have a comment for you.
[31:16] If
let me show her this. I know we're over,
[31:20] but this is a better picture of what you
were trying to see.
[31:24] » What I wanted remember you said there
was something on the door.
[31:28] » I think Lynn was referring to the on
>> on the building.
[31:30] » Yeah.
>> Yeah. No, that's not visible. That's
[31:32] just when you walk up,
>> you give the measurements of the nation,
[31:36] right? Sign and the lighting. Maybe you
would find who who makes them and then
[31:42] you got an example to put with your
application assuming that's the size you
[31:46] wanted.
Okay. Sorry.
[31:50] » You're fine.
>> Grace,
[31:55] » close up.
>> Yeah. Yeah. I'm just thinking about that
[31:57] corner. They're the same. I think
they're called montalk daisies. Am I
[32:03] right, Lisa?
>> They bloom about this time of year. They
[32:07] love it there.
>> I used to weed that garden myself. I
[32:12] used
[32:18] » Yeah, they're very late summer.
>> Beautiful.
[32:22] » Really interesting part because I mean
it has so much potential. It looks
[32:25] really good at times, but it was awesome
times. Well, one thing one problem with
[32:29] that is I used to weed it and um
>> the deer ate a lot of stuff in there.
[32:34] » They they just do a number on a lot of
things in the village that you just have
[32:38] to figure out what to plant that they
won't most of the time won't eat. The
[32:42] other is it's a kind of a hot dry site.
It's very exposed to the western sun and
[32:46] it's very steep so water doesn't stay on
it when it falls.
[32:49] » So it's
>> Yeah. I don't know how they they finally
[32:53] establish themselves. I don't see
anybody dead heads in the I think they
[32:57] » just
um as a matter of fact this coming
[33:03] weekend design concepts the grant that
was given to design connect
[33:09] » design what design connect
>> design connect the kids
[33:13] » they're going to come and walk the
corridor starting all the way from the
[33:18] trip mall up on both sides and back with
and um the idea is to work with down to
[33:28] » Are they looking for input?
>> Yeah.
[33:34] » So these are sending original planet
students. Yeah. So
[33:37] » yeah, maybe maybe they can get some
feedback on, you know, on
[33:41] beautifification, right?
>> Yes.
[33:46] » All right.
>> I got to turn the meeting.
[33:49] » I have a motion to the meeting, please.
Moved by Mike, second by D. Um Devon,
[33:54] all in favor.
>> Thank you everybody.
[33:59] » You
[34:03] going down the docket. What's that? Is