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All right. Please rise and join me in the pledge of allegiance,

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pledge of allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the very public for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

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All right. Welcome to the October 21st, Laramie County Board of Commissioners meeting. If you have a cell phone, I'd ask that you turn it to silent. I don't know that we have any public hearings on the agenda, but if we

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We open one up, please, we do have one, so please come forward, introduce yourself and give your name and address for the record.

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With that, Madam Clerk, first item.

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Mr. Chairman, item number one, consideration of minutes of proceedings for October 7, 2025.

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Motion to approve.

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Second.

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Motion to second, any discussion on the amendment or on the minutes?

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Hearing none, roll call please.

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Commissioner Heath.

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Aye.

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Commissioner Hollingshead.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Commissioner Thompson.

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Aye.

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Commissioner Swaniser.

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Aye.

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Chairman Mom.

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Aye.

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Items 2 through 6 are considered routine business and will be considered as one item unless

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a number of the governing body would like to have one removed.

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Mr. Chair, I'd like to pull number 5.

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Second.

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Okay, we have a concurrence.

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Item 5 will be considered in this normal sequence.

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Any other discussion on the consent agenda?

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and I have a motion to approve the consent agenda minus item five.

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Mr. Chair, so moved.

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Second.

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Motion to second.

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Discussion.

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Discussion.

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Rural call, please.

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Commissioner Heath.

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Aye.

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Commissioner Hollingshead.

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Aye.

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Commissioner Thompson.

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Aye.

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Commissioner Anderson.

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Aye.

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Chairman Mom.

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Aye.

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Item five, please.

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Item five.

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Consideration of an agreement between Laramie County and Wyoming.

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and Hop Doc's LLC for electronic recording in the county clerk's office.

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Mr. Chairman, the reason why we would like this pulled is because of the ID department

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still needs to review that to see if it's going to interact with our software or not, or

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if it's through Tyler itself.

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So we just request it to be postponed until the next meeting.

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Okay.

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Mr. Chair, move to postpone.

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Second.

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Motion.

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Second.

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Second, in discussion on post-punament, discussion.

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Now, let's tell the next commissioners' meeting was.

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Yes, they don't have the date, but.

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Okay, roll call, please.

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Commissioner Heath.

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Aye.

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Commissioner Hollingshead.

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Aye.

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Commissioner Thompson.

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Aye.

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Commissioners, one, answer.

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Aye.

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Chairman Mom.

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Next item, please.

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Item seven, consideration of a resolution of authorizing submission of a grant application

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to the National Rifle Association to request funds in the amount of $165,000, $407 for a gun safe and update 14 shooting stalls at the shooting spores.

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Ms. Bay.

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Mr. Chairman, Commissioner, Sander Bay, Larmey County Grants.

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This is a resolution that authorizes the submittal of a grant application to the National Rifle Association.

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This grant application was prepared by Kathy Wilson, the Larmey County Grants writer.

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The grant request seeks funding to support improvements at the shooting sports complex,

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specifically to upgrade 14 indoor shooting stalls, and to purchase a gun safe for secure storage at the facility.

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I'm happy to answer any questions you might have.

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Any questions from Ms. Bay?

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Questions?

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Mr. Chair, moved to approve.

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Second.

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Motion and second.

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Any discussion?

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A little call please.

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Commissioner Heath?

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Commissioner Hollingseth.

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Commissioner Thompson.

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Commissioner Swanitzer.

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Chairman Mom.

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Aye.

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Next item, please.

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Item 8.

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Consideration of an agreement between Laramie County Wyoming and Bintel.

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Incorporated an amount not to exceed $90,000 to update and expand the community while protection plan to run through July 31, 2026.

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Mr. Butler.

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Chairman Mom, commissioners, Matt Butler, Laramie County Firewarden.

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Item before the board is an agreement between Laramie County and Bintel Inc.

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for the updated expansion of the Laramie County Community Wild Fire Protection Plan or CWPP.

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Request for proposals for this project opened on May 27th, 2025, and remained open until a

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formal bid opening on August 7th, 2025. During this process, the county received a total of four

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RFP responses. Following review and evaluation, Bintel Inc was selected as the lowest responsive

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and responsible bidder. The agreement formalizes Ben Tell's role in conducting a comprehensive

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update and expansion of the CWPP, which will incorporate current wildfire risk assessments,

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updated mitigation strategies, and alignment with state and federal standards.

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The agreement will allow the county to proceed with project implementation in accordance with

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the approved scope and budget for the RFP. I would say any questions you may have.

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Any questions from Mr. Butler?

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Mr. Chair, move to approve.

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Second.

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Motion to second discussion by the commission.

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Discussion?

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Discussion?

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We'll call please.

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Commissioner Heath.

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Aye.

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Commissioner Hollingshead.

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Commissioner Thompson.

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Aye.

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Commissioner Swanitzer.

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Chairman Mom.

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Aye.

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Next item please.

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Item 9.

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Consideration of a memorandum of understanding for HUD.

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Use agreement between Jeremy County Wyoming and Cheyenne housing authority

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for the Senior Activity Center.

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Mr. Voss.

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Good afternoon.

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Mr. Mark Voss.

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Welcome to the Attorney's Office.

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Mr. Lennon is going to be involved in the negotiation with us more tightly than I have.

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And as you're aware, we've had sort of a long, little experience involving HUD.

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Can you make sure your mic's on or pull it through?

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Thank you.

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I had a long experience with HUD because the property that we're acquiring here essentially had a HUD restriction on it.

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We believe we've resolved all of that and so this memorandum understanding essentially accomplishes the transfer of the land upon which the new senior center is located.

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The senior center is open right now for business, but this will basically place the ownership of all the property in the Foxcress subdivision really relevant to the senior services center in the possession of Laramie County and if they had any questions.

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Any questions for Mr. Ross?

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Questions?

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Mr. Chair, move to approve.

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Second.

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Motion in a second.

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Any discussion by the Commission?

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Discussion?

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Roll call, please.

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Commissioner Heath?

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Commissioner Hawing said.

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Aye.

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Commissioner Thompson?

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Aye.

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Commissioner Swaniser?

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Chairman Mom.

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Next item, please.

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Item 10.

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Consideration of a second and dendum to the communications light lease between Laramie County Wyoming and Union Telephone Company for rooftop place.

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on the building of 2020 Kerry Avenue.

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Mr. Voss.

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Mr. Commissioner, I would tell you that as you know, we had a number of agreements with various communications businesses for the roof of the building across the street.

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This is a continuation of the union telephone companies access to the roof for purposes of operating their antenna system.

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We have a number of them, and all these agreements pretty much are, but now that we've taken control of the building, are beginning to become unified and consistent across all of these owners, and this is an example of that through the agenda on this, so.

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Okay, any questions for Mark?

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Questions?

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Mr. Chair, moved to approve.

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Second.

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Motion in a second, any discussion?

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Discussion?

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Roll call, please.

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Commissioner Heath.

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Commissioner Hollingseth.

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Commissioner Thompson.

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Commissioner Zwanitzer.

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Chairman Mom.

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Next item, please.

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Item 11, consideration of an agreement between Lermy County Wyoming and absolute solutions

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incorporated in a amount not to exceed $41,875 per siren maintenance and installation services.

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Janine.

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Good afternoon.

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Chairman Maul and commissioners,

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Juneine West, Director of Emergency Management.

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This is a contract with absolute solutions we've had for several years.

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So this is a new contract for the next three years of service to perform any annual maintenance on the outdoor warning sirens.

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And then do any additional work for additions to the siren system, you know, funding for this comes out of our spot tax or six penny special group of tax projects.

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Okay, any questions from his west?

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Questions?

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Mr. Chair moved to approve.

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Second.

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Motion and second. Any discussion by the commission?

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Discussion?

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Roll call, please.

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Commissioner Heath.

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Aye.

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Commissioner Hullingshead.

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Commissioner Thompson.

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Aye.

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Commissioners One answer.

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Chairman Mom.

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Next item, please.

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Item 12.

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Consideration of an agreement between Lambie County Wyoming and Fremont Motor Company and not to exceed $88,518 to purchase two four by four pickup trucks with spray and bedliners.

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Ms. Cook.

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I look.

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Commissioners, Molly Cook, Jeremy County Public Works.

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This is to purchase two fleet pickups as Dale described.

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We held a bid opening on September 23rd and received one bid, which is before you, and

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with that, I'm happy to answer any questions.

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Any questions from Molly?

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Questions?

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Mr. Chair, move to approve.

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Second.

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Motion in a second.

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Any discussion?

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Any discussion?

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We'll call please.

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Commissioner Heath.

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Aye.

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Commissioner Hollingshead.

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Aye.

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Aye.

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Commissioner Thompson?

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Aye.

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Commissioner Sunnitzer?

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Aye.

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Chairman Moam.

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Aye.

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Next item, please.

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Item 13, Public Hearing regarding a new retail liquor license submitted by White O'Ventures

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LLC, doing business as bit of Wyoming ranch, wedding and event venue located at 470 Happy

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Jack Road.

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All right.

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First, I'm going to go to the clerk first about the application, then I'll go ahead and

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go to you.

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Mr. Chairman, Dale Davis, chief deputy for the county clerk.

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We received this application on September 2nd, 2025, and it has been advertised on October

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2nd and October 9th, and the application is in order except for the applicant has made

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a modification to it where the building is not owned by the LLC, it's owned by Tanya

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Yeah, right. And they have made modifications around and gave me the lease and I did send the lease over to the liquor division they haven't repy back to me yet.

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So if the commissioners want to approve this liquor license on condition, a final approval by the liquor division or postpone it.

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Okay. Thank you, Dale. Mr. Dale. Good afternoon. Welcome to go ahead and tell us a little bit about yourself for your business and we'll open it up for public hearing.

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or if the commission has any questions but.

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I'm the sole owner of Property at 470, Happy Jack Road

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and I would be leasing it to a business.

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I'm a member of which is Roodle Ventures LLC.

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We're looking to restore parts of the business

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that were open from 1983 to 2023.

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In that area, we're working through county planning

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and county health and environmental services

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to make sure that we have the proper ease

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These events coming through the BLM will be shuttling all those plants in.

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We hope to have a wedding venue and other activities horse riding.

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Some of the things that have been done there are Dan's dinners.

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Ma'am, could you hold a mic down to your mouth please?

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Sorry.

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Should I start over or should I do it right away?

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So I have a list of 20 to 25 things that the property had been used for in the past.

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We're hoping you restore portions of that with the main event being wedding graduation parties those types of things all

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Parties involved will be shuttled in through BLM land, which we have our application for a 30-year lease

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Obviously with them, but they've been shut down. So we have that that part has slowed but

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In regards to liquor license, there's the certain requirements that the county is going to require so we need to know if we have to go ahead with that

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so we can continue with environmental health and county planning.

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Okay, thank you.

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Any questions for the applicant at this time?

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Any questions?

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Okay, this is a public hearing.

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If you'd like to speak on this item, please come forward and again, state your name and

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address for the record, please.

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Mr. Chairman and members of the commission, thank you for this opportunity.

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Okay.

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I'm a resident at 1320 Bobcat Trail, which is in a very small H-O-A, the Cheyenne Pass H-O-A.

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470 Happy Jack, it's kind of a misnomer because it sits back about a mile from Happy Jack,

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but the way you gain access to that is through our road.

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So there is a back way through table mountain, very, very rough.

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The last thing I would think the public would want is 120 plus guests who've been consuming

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alcohol to go through our small HOA.

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We have kids, we have pets.

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Again, our road is just a two track road winding very hilly.

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I know in the application, it talks about the seasonal from May to October.

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I think we all know that in May, what we get snowed.

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The last thing that we want is on those roads, either the BLM road.

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Our road is folks traversing treacherous conditions, having consumed alcohol,

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let alone being 25 miles from Cheyenne and navigating Happy Jack Road to town,

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Road 109, those.

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In order to gain access, there are three easements, which they would need to secure

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that they have not secured.

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And we have some serious legal issues with them about the easement.

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But I'll let that speak to the legal side of it.

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But we're just very, very concerned about our neighborhood, our small neighborhood, the traffic

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and the nature of that traffic.

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We all live up there for the peace and quiet and what that brings to us.

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So I would welcome any questions.

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Any questions?

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I might have.

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Don't think so at this time.

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Mr. Chair, I do have a question.

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Sir Heath.

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What's the history of that particular location? Wasn't this a dude ranch at one point in time? And how was traffic handled at that point in time if it was?

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Yes, and Commissioner, thank you for bringing that up, because I did want to speak to a point that Mr. Raidel brought. But it had been a dude ranch. It has been mothballed for many, many years.

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Once had a dinner theater and dude ranch part of it, but that, again, has been

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mothballed many, many years.

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While she mentioned that it's been in business to 2023, that is not the case.

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There's not been any commercial business there for many years.

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Dennis steal the prior owner of it that had not done anything.

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I think so there's not been any traffic other than their personal use for again many many years.

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Any other questions?

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Mr. Chairman, through you, and this might be better for the applicant.

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I'm just trying to figure out what the current legal access is.

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It looks like you're using the property at 484 to currently access that property.

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Is that the current legal access to get to it, so you can come back in.

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If you don't have any questions for him,

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One word can wait and call the applicant back up if that works for you that way.

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Thank you.

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We don't have the full podium.

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Okay.

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Thank you, sir.

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Thank you.

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Chief Koi.

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Mr. Chair, commissioners, today I'm just Jason.

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I'm not representing Laramie County Fire Authority, but a concern neighbor and just some additional information that will answer commissioners,

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want answers, comment and commissioners.

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If it's okay, I have a couple of documents to give to you.

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Thank you for the opportunity to speak and it's nice to be on this side of the podium for a public hearing versus the other side.

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As my record stands as the planning commission chair and as a long term member of the planning commission, I am a strong advocate for individual land use rights.

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And the right delts have purchased a property that they have the right to do as they wish as long as it meets the county's land use regulations, the BLM regulations, and any state and federal statutes associated to that property.

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With that said, I am not asking for you to deny or approve the liquor license.

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I'm just asking you to postpone until some further information can be addressed.

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Which one of them is commissioner's monitors concerned about the legal access.

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They do have legal access for residential to their property, which is outstanding.

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The challenge is that legal access is not designed or built for commercial use.

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I'm intimate with the property because I live at 468 Happy Jack Road.

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road, and I maintained the bulk of that road throughout the year with my own personal

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equipment to keep it accessible.

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That road is essentially 10 feet 6 inches wide on average throughout it.

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It does not allow two vehicles to pass through at the same time without pulling off the road

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and cringing on individuals' land rights.

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It's up on the screen there for you, and else in the pictures.

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The document that I handed with, the typing on it, that first picture is actually taken

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yesterday, as I was returning home, as vehicles were exiting the road, I had to pull over so that they could come up.

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Not a major issue when it's just the five or six residents lived there, but

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to access it for commercial use becomes a little bit of concern.

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The second access point, besides what the President of the H.A.

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is already addressed, is the BLM line, which would be a viable access point for them when the lease is secured.

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There is probably the most logical for them because it gives them direct access to it.

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The challenge is approving a liquor license without access to it today creates a compromising

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situation because if they don't get legal access somehow, we now have a license sitting

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there.

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Additionally, the second access is a very rocky two threshold.

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The history of that property is a bit of a wild dude ranch which has been mothballed for

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Your dentist since passed away in the family has now sold that.

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That two track was actually established by Hyde Merit, most of you know the name.

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Back in the 60s and 70s when he owned his original ranch down off of Hyde Merit drive in the table mountain ranch steps.

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He's since in 1973 built our house that we now owned and had that two track to access his old ranch house all the way up to the new ranch house where he ran cattle.

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and developed his horses. So that to track is not designed for public access.

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When you look at that to track through the BLM land, it also joins forces with

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brush Creek Road. There is one single resident at brush Creek Road, 516 brush Creek Road,

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essentially for all intents purposes that road has been abandoned over the years,

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and the driveway for 516 brush Creek Road is now essentially the county road.

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It's not in the platted position, it would need to be real lined to protect those property rights owners and then reestablish the county road to county standards to then provide it to the BLM acts, which is at the end of brush Creek Road.

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I've given you a picture of the access of brush Creek Road to the BLM land. It's on page two. It's the bottom picture.

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There's a two track that runs along a dry tree bed that has water in it in the spring and during heavy rain seasons.

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That driveway or that two track is essentially a driveway not a road, but it does have steep access points off of each side of it.

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That is fairly consistent with the next mile of that two track that goes to the bit of wild property and also the neighbor's property.

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Again, in a side-by-side, staying on the BLM2 track, I had to put in a four-wheel drive

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to access it because there's about three foot ledge where the dry treat bed is, that

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you have to get up and over to continue on the two track.

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So in a four-wheel drive pickup, it can make it without that, they're going to have to do

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some sort of conditional work through the BLM process, which I'm sure they're going

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be able to do. All we're asking for is that process to be established before you assign

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a liquor license to it. In addition, in the application for the liquor license, they

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denote the barn, which was traditionally used for the supper club. That's what they

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did on Saturday nights. They did a donation supper club. So you would go and you'd make

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a donation and you'd eat and they'd do a little western show there. Pretty neat little

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event. It would be great to be an event venue at some point for the right else and they have that right.

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Now, however, that building was built non-conforming and there's arguably either on or

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directly adjacent to the property line between their property and the BLM. And if you trust

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the Laramie County GIS, which all of us know that GIS is getting surveyed, it's not always accurate.

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It goes through the center of the barn, which is not accurate and I don't believe that I don't want to imply that that's accurate.

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It's some place off the backside of that barn, which is still not conforming with today's offsets off of a property line for county landings regulations.

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So those are a couple of concerns, so access legal safe access, two track right now, if we were to try to get a fire truck in there, not going to be able to do it very easily.

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Secondly, can't ingress or egress citizens, so if they have an event, getting people

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out while fire and emergency services are getting in, would be nearly impossible because

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of the one way traffic flow that exists currently.

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And then finally, in the application for the liquor license, it says the operation period

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from May to October, which is outstanding.

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I think that's brilliant.

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The winter months are going to be dead.

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They're cold in that road.

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It's miserable.

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However, the application, if approved today, goes in effect today and it ends on June

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of 2026 which doesn't fit the operation period that is stated in the application.

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That's one part.

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Second part is the building itself is an old horse barn that will be remodeling which

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is wonderful but it hasn't gone through any of the county planning process hasn't been

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seen by the chief building official it hasn't been gone through public health hasn't been

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gone through fire emergency services components which are significant for that property and

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In the irony of it is on the application on that drawing it says 124 seats now as commissioners

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honored to know with his fire back on commissioner Hollings head public venues have specific building

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code and fire code requirements because of the nature of those events hosting potentially

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more than 124 people. 125 is the threshold where it requires more requirements regulations.

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So, stating 124 allows you only have two accidents, access points, 125, you have to have three,

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plus some other requirements kick in there.

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So, I have some concerns there, especially since it hasn't gone through the planning process,

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and chief iron director Arnold would be the one to help us with that.

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So, those are our concerns.

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Again, I don't think it shouldn't be approved.

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I think it should be postponed until some of those issues are addressed, until illegal access

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that's safe for the public to get in and out of the property is established.

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BLM would be the natural solution, and I advocate for that one because I think it's the best for them.

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It gives them their own access and gives them the opportunity to control that environment.

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And it gives them to develop their business in a very profitable, great benefit for the community.

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One final note, there are other two other public venues up in that area,

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One of them being hides large, which has a great paved access, two way traffic in and out of it with all the facilities.

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And Kirk Audi State Park, which you can provide and rent out their spaces for those all great venues.

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This is going to be a very nice venue, I trust, they're good folks.

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They just need the time to get all the ducks in a row to make it a safe venue for us.

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With that, I stand for any questions.

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Okay, any questions for Jason?

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Questions?

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Okay.

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Commissioner Maul, Mayor Chairman Maul and commissioners.

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Justin Hester, an attorney here on behalf of Kelly Zimmerman

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and Lisa Lucy who reside at 484 Happy Jack Road.

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You've pulled it up on the screen.

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But I do have a map of May.

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May help a little bit with some additional highlights.

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If I could approach, give that to you.

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That would be helpful.

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Just as point of order, we did receive the correspondence

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from your clients.

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Yeah,

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and thank you.

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Yes, my clients did email.

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And this is kind of just in addition to that.

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And I'll be brief and not highlight.

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Go over anything that they went over

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or anything that the prior speakers did.

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Just to kind of bring this home a little bit on the map,

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obviously, the access to a 470 is up from Happy Jack.

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would be off of through that what's called Wildcat Trail which is that yellow road

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that's planted as part of Cheyenne Pass. There is an easement in existence between

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Cheyenne Pass and the prior owner of 470. Happy Jack Road and then from there

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you go to the follow you can see that it's kind of highlighted I have tried to

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highlight it for you. The road continues where my clients, so Kelly Zimmerman and Lisa

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Lucy owned the property to the south and west of 470 Happy Jack Road, this about 160

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years, so acres there. Froundees' quality homes on this other

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policy were there by a pond. That road there, there's an easement with the, again, the predecessor

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the owner of 470, the Dennis Steele estate, that easements with both Fround East and my clients because the road is on portions of both of our clients' properties.

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But then from there, you see that the road swerves and curves up to 470.

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There is an easement, again, granted to the predecessor, and that easement specifically provides that

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That while it's residential access only and I'll just read from it.

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Parties agree that easement granted in this agreement is limited to residential purposes

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and uses.

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Grantea's successors and interest signs subsequent purchasers of grantees property shall

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not use or allow others to use the easement connection with any business purpose or use

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of any bit of wild ranch's property unless the party is entering into a separate agreement.

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And I recognize that's a, you know, civil thing between our clients.

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But I pointed out because I think it's relevant to whether a liquor license should be granted

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when they can't use this and it sounds like they're saying they're not going to use this

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road for access.

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But emergency services may still have to.

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There are a number of other issues that come with having an event venue at 470 Happy Jack,

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back, which is right next to that venue, it's very close to my clients' property.

485
00:29:33,670 --> 00:29:40,250
They have numerous concerns about trespassing and safety, which they outlined in their

486
00:29:40,710 --> 00:29:41,010
email.

487
00:29:41,510 --> 00:29:48,150
So, I guess I would just point out that under the relevant statute for granting or denying

488
00:29:49,410 --> 00:29:56,110
liquor licenses, one of the factors is that the license for permit shall not be issued if

489
00:29:56,110 --> 00:29:59,850
if the licensing authority finds from evidence.

490
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:12,300
I'm presented at the hearing that the welfare of the people residing in the vicinity of the proposed license or permit. She'll be adversely and seriously affected. I think my

491
00:30:14,570 --> 00:30:31,350
point today is without going through the county planning process and knowing what this venue looks like. I don't think you as a body, consider and say it's not going to adversely seriously affect this neighborhood because we don't even know what it is. We don't know how many people are going to be. This is the first time.

492
00:30:31,870 --> 00:30:40,130
We're hearing about it, and my clients are here about it, so that said I'll answer any questions.

493
00:30:40,770 --> 00:30:42,150
Any questions from Mr. Tassar?

494
00:30:42,570 --> 00:30:42,830
Mr. Chairman?

495
00:30:43,130 --> 00:30:43,630
I'm sure you'll want to answer.

496
00:30:43,750 --> 00:30:44,770
Again, just a point of clarification.

497
00:30:45,210 --> 00:30:48,850
Generally, when we get those correspondence, we like to put them in along with the application.

498
00:30:49,130 --> 00:30:52,750
So I was just letting you know the reason they weren't in with that is because we got them at a later date.

499
00:30:52,930 --> 00:30:56,710
So, yeah, nothing personal on you just wanted to ensure you that we did get their correspondence.

500
00:30:56,790 --> 00:30:58,630
And they know that we got it.

501
00:30:58,850 --> 00:30:59,550
I appreciate it.

502
00:31:00,110 --> 00:31:01,090
Any other questions?

503
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:08,100
Okay. Public hearing is still open. If you'd like to speak on the item, please come forward.

504
00:31:09,800 --> 00:31:13,300
The applicant would like to answer any of their questions or concerns. You're welcome to

505
00:31:14,020 --> 00:31:16,700
come forward as well before I close the public hearing.

506
00:31:31,860 --> 00:31:32,560
Anybody online?

507
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,820
Mr. Chairman, there's no one online at this time. Okay.

508
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,040
Here we go. You're good.

509
00:31:42,780 --> 00:31:57,300
I would also refer to just an Arnold that we did have a meeting planned and he had a personal emergency, so we postpone that, you know, there's an order to which you do things and there's certain things you have to know.

510
00:31:57,900 --> 00:32:05,400
The liquor license is kind of essential for those building reasons, especially with environmental health, knowing how we would proceed.

511
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:14,100
We are very well aware, we are not to use the easements that connect the happy jack to happy jack for 70 and are not.

512
00:32:15,180 --> 00:32:24,540
And we also are very aware of the dangers of wanting people who may consume alcohol to drive through treacherous conditions.

513
00:32:24,540 --> 00:32:35,600
So Justin and I have talked several times about what those conditions would be to make that road safe and we have the bid submitted to the BLM.

514
00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:40,440
The BLM told us they had no red flags at this point but we have to go through the process.

515
00:32:40,940 --> 00:32:47,100
It is between me and the BLM, I have a letter stating they've been to the property, they understand the property lines.

516
00:32:47,100 --> 00:32:52,540
they will be serving and so the question of whether we were encroaching that the previous

517
00:32:52,540 --> 00:32:57,480
seller encroached on BLM land that we can establish that and we can potentially do a

518
00:32:57,480 --> 00:33:05,640
landswap. We are restoring this to a they were serving 200 people and parking was their

519
00:33:05,640 --> 00:33:11,940
biggest issue. They had no permits or easements with the BLM and we are seeking to do that

520
00:33:11,940 --> 00:33:16,860
correctly. This is just the first process of knowing if we're going to use this

521
00:33:16,860 --> 00:33:20,560
component in our business, if we're allowed to use the liquor license and a

522
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:25,540
proof for it, then it would establish certain criteria moving forward in the

523
00:33:25,540 --> 00:33:30,300
construction and my discussion with Laramie County planning as well as Laramie

524
00:33:30,300 --> 00:33:36,100
County Health. The biggest issue being a grease trap which is that for the county is

525
00:33:36,100 --> 00:33:38,860
a thousand gallon concrete tank.

526
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,420
It's a big deal whether we're putting in a liquor license

527
00:33:42,420 --> 00:33:44,540
or not, because without the liquor license,

528
00:33:44,820 --> 00:33:48,500
I'm not moving a thousand gallon grease trap

529
00:33:48,500 --> 00:33:50,480
into the property and digging for it.

530
00:33:50,780 --> 00:33:52,860
We would just go ahead and permit,

531
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:55,640
which we have had done by an engineer,

532
00:33:56,060 --> 00:33:59,600
the unpermitted 1,500 gallon septic system

533
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:00,540
that is already there.

534
00:34:01,280 --> 00:34:04,520
So I think it is very important to know whether we're moving

535
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:10,180
forward with a liquor license or not, and our planning department would have us as a conditional

536
00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:16,720
license for us to move forward and certain criteria would have to be met. So I think we have been

537
00:34:16,720 --> 00:34:23,780
responsible in how we're doing this. I just want to really reiterate, the easements they're talking

538
00:34:23,780 --> 00:34:29,620
about are not what we're not requesting to use those, nor would we use those. We need different

539
00:34:29,620 --> 00:34:35,940
access if we're going to use it as a business, it has operated there 40 years with what that's

540
00:34:35,940 --> 00:34:39,460
coming from the seller and I have emails from the seller that the trust, the daughter.

541
00:34:39,980 --> 00:34:43,640
They were having trouble with having recreational permits.

542
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:48,840
They were never permitted with BLM and we have good open communication with them.

543
00:34:48,920 --> 00:34:53,700
We have all fees that have been due to the BLM as soon as they reopen.

544
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,800
I have text messages that need to be sent and we'll be working hard with them.

545
00:34:57,800 --> 00:35:02,620
It is a conditional permit that we need to see if we move forward and what plans.

546
00:35:03,100 --> 00:35:06,940
And I've also talked to Justin, if it's not a liquor license, if it's not a wedding venue,

547
00:35:06,940 --> 00:35:09,220
we still would like it to be something for the community.

548
00:35:09,660 --> 00:35:10,540
It's gorgeous land.

549
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:15,960
There are children in the Cheyenne that have grown up and remember bit a while ranch.

550
00:35:16,240 --> 00:35:18,220
Remember canoeing, remember horseback riding.

551
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:23,760
We're just in the interest of what we would like to do and see done for our community applying for this first

552
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:25,200
so we know how to move forward.

553
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:27,520
Okay. Do you have any questions?

554
00:35:27,700 --> 00:35:29,560
Any questions, Mr. Adele at this time?

555
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:30,700
So, Mr. Thompson?

556
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:37,280
Mr. Chair, so again, the access is going to be coming from the north, correct?

557
00:35:37,860 --> 00:35:38,840
From the north, correct.

558
00:35:39,160 --> 00:35:44,000
And those are also my, so it's Andy and Adele Bartell that own Rush Creek.

559
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,960
And I've already talked to Justin about that, they keep referring.

560
00:35:48,260 --> 00:35:50,180
If you go, so keep going.

561
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,340
So coming off it right there, Rush Creek.

562
00:35:53,340 --> 00:35:58,900
So where that little 5 is, it's 516, is Andy and Adele Bartell, their clients of mine,

563
00:35:58,940 --> 00:36:00,200
I sold them that property.

564
00:36:01,180 --> 00:36:06,180
And in the interest of what they need done, they do need that county road to come through

565
00:36:06,180 --> 00:36:11,560
there because their driveway has become the utility access as well as all the hunters

566
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:12,880
that use that.

567
00:36:13,940 --> 00:36:19,600
And also, that easement, there's a huge issue because the well sets on it.

568
00:36:19,600 --> 00:36:25,280
So, I've already talked to Justin, that problem does need whether we get the access or not

569
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,520
on the BLM, that problem for the county maintaining that needs to be addressed.

570
00:36:31,180 --> 00:36:34,940
So, the partels will be at our planning meeting, our pre-planning meeting.

571
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:35,740
Okay.

572
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:36,780
Any other questions?

573
00:36:37,500 --> 00:36:37,860
Mr. Johnson?

574
00:36:38,260 --> 00:36:39,540
Or Commissioner Thompson, go for it.

575
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:42,960
Mr. Chair, is brush Creek Road a county road?

576
00:36:43,780 --> 00:36:47,540
Mr. Chair, I haven't had an opportunity to look into that specific section.

577
00:36:47,540 --> 00:36:52,540
I can see if I can find some information just quickly on my phone and confirm that.

578
00:37:03,610 --> 00:37:10,470
So Mr. Voss, Mr. Thompson, this would be pretty Molly, but Troy and Mark would have been

579
00:37:10,470 --> 00:37:10,750
here.

580
00:37:11,210 --> 00:37:17,030
You guys vacated a county road that accessed the BLM through a section of this at some point.

581
00:37:19,350 --> 00:37:25,430
In the last seven years, I think when I was gearing up to run for commission, I watched

582
00:37:25,430 --> 00:37:30,710
five years worth of meetings and there was a meeting in that stack that was and I just

583
00:37:30,710 --> 00:37:34,810
maybe not this one but there was we dead ended and maybe the old road you're

584
00:37:34,810 --> 00:37:39,210
responsible through the BLM section and that's what we vacated but there

585
00:37:39,210 --> 00:37:43,990
was a petition to vacate a section of road that ran in top there just and you

586
00:37:43,990 --> 00:37:48,770
might have worked at planning or at public works at that point. Mr. Chairman I

587
00:37:48,770 --> 00:37:53,990
believe Grekk or Beard was in place at the time and all that I can recall it was

588
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:58,910
nothing regarding brush Creek. I want to say that it had something to do connected to the

589
00:37:59,570 --> 00:38:04,250
reins ranch. Sounds right. That sounds right. Okay. I'm getting there. I just knew a piece of

590
00:38:04,250 --> 00:38:08,490
ground or a road up there in that general area ran into BLM land. So,

591
00:38:11,620 --> 00:38:14,100
Mr. Evans. Justin's

592
00:38:14,100 --> 00:38:20,080
correct. That was the area in the ones ranch by the lower North Crow. Okay. That connects

593
00:38:20,080 --> 00:38:23,920
up to upper North Crow. And I don't believe they actually did vote to vacate it.

594
00:38:26,160 --> 00:38:26,560
I think

595
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:32,320
Sorry to complicate the issue, but I just had a random memory that I was trying to pull in.

596
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:38,220
And I do just want to emphasize that we have negotiated with shuttle services.

597
00:38:38,980 --> 00:38:44,560
So where the HOA was, however many cars were coming through there for those dinner parties

598
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,460
or dinner shows, a horseback riding, ours will be shuttle service.

599
00:38:48,460 --> 00:39:01,620
So we also do not want anybody who's intoxicated or not able to drive to be on one, it's dangerous to there's wildlife, and it wouldn't be good for our neighbors as well, the bar tells.

600
00:39:02,140 --> 00:39:05,520
So they're aware of that and that shuttle service will lend them all the way back to Cheyenne.

601
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:13,960
Okay, and Mr. Chairman, if I may just real quick to what shoes are looting to regarding what the permitting process would look like we had discussed

602
00:39:14,820 --> 00:39:18,720
pursuant to the newly adopted 2025 land use regulations

603
00:39:18,720 --> 00:39:24,820
this would require a conditional use class B permit application to go through agency review

604
00:39:24,820 --> 00:39:33,000
look at these things like access and then ultimately be approved approved with conditions are denied by the Lenny County Planning Commission upon that decision

605
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:47,280
then they would have to go through the commercial site plan process, much like we would in the other entity, and then bring those improvements or the existing buildings up to current commercial code for the use moving forward.

606
00:39:47,500 --> 00:39:52,420
So that's the preliminary discussions that she alluded to we had with myself in the chief building official.

607
00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,320
Thank you, Justin. Any other questions on the days?

608
00:39:57,860 --> 00:40:01,480
Any other comments or questions with the public hearing?

609
00:40:03,270 --> 00:40:05,270
That's somebody else.

610
00:40:05,630 --> 00:40:05,850
Good

611
00:40:16,890 --> 00:40:18,010
afternoon, Mr. Chairman.

612
00:40:18,270 --> 00:40:19,090
I appreciate it.

613
00:40:19,090 --> 00:40:20,390
Thank you.

614
00:40:20,890 --> 00:40:22,050
I've been watching.

615
00:40:23,970 --> 00:40:24,610
We love it.

616
00:40:24,970 --> 00:40:26,150
715 South 12.

617
00:40:27,050 --> 00:40:28,310
Or 1420.

618
00:40:29,050 --> 00:40:30,150
I gave her a full address.

619
00:40:30,390 --> 00:40:30,750
I'm nervous.

620
00:40:31,210 --> 00:40:32,770
1320 Bobcat Trail.

621
00:40:35,030 --> 00:40:43,210
The reason I'm asked or talking is I'd really like to offer you guys an opportunity

622
00:40:43,210 --> 00:40:46,890
to come up and see what we're talking about.

623
00:40:47,070 --> 00:40:48,410
Go to both entrances.

624
00:40:49,470 --> 00:40:53,310
It's something to see it on a map from my point of view

625
00:40:53,970 --> 00:40:56,110
versus going and seeing it.

626
00:40:56,690 --> 00:41:00,130
I think you'll get a better chance, a better opportunity

627
00:41:00,570 --> 00:41:04,490
to make good decisions if you can see it.

628
00:41:05,370 --> 00:41:06,450
Yeah, that was my concern.

629
00:41:06,990 --> 00:41:07,850
I appreciate it.

630
00:41:07,950 --> 00:41:08,810
Thank you so much.

631
00:41:10,290 --> 00:41:12,690
Okay. Anyone else during the public hearing?

632
00:41:15,060 --> 00:41:16,460
Okay. Public hearing having met his purpose,

633
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:23,280
the public hearing is closed. Commissioners, I have a question for the attorney if you

634
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:23,860
will let me.

635
00:41:26,340 --> 00:41:28,660
Yeah, we can do whatever we want with you.

636
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:34,200
No, so Mr. Voss, is it possible

637
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:42,380
to condition a liquor license, the issue ends on a successful site plan.

638
00:41:45,140 --> 00:41:49,620
Mr. Chair, I actually do not know the answer that I can tell you, and I did when I heard

639
00:41:49,620 --> 00:41:52,920
about this, Safry and I pulled up the liquor license and statutes and we got them.

640
00:41:54,700 --> 00:41:56,540
Can you please talk to your mic, sorry?

641
00:41:56,740 --> 00:41:59,980
I looked at the liquor license and statutes, Safry and I were right before the meeting when

642
00:41:59,980 --> 00:42:00,660
I heard about this.

643
00:42:00,660 --> 00:42:09,560
I don't see anything in Title 12, which basically states that the commission can do that in order to see if anything indicates that it can't be done.

644
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:16,820
There is one provision that's in the application section in Title 12, in Title 102.

645
00:42:17,700 --> 00:42:25,880
It talks about, among the things that have to be in the application, is the location of the license building where the applicant will sell one of the license.

646
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,700
If it is an existence at the time of application, the ability is not an existence, the location

647
00:42:30,700 --> 00:42:35,160
of an architect drawing or suitable plans of the license building and premises to be licensed.

648
00:42:35,360 --> 00:42:38,180
So in other words, there's a provision that indicates that if your building is a presence,

649
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:43,000
you can get a liquor license conditional on its establishment based on a plan.

650
00:42:43,740 --> 00:42:47,260
But that's the only way I can find that it's close to basically being able to condition this.

651
00:42:47,920 --> 00:42:53,400
I would also note that although I may have misunderstood the application I'm looking at in here

652
00:42:53,400 --> 00:43:04,140
is not exactly accurate because they shift it from an assertion of ownership by RIDEL ventures of the building to lease agreement.

653
00:43:04,300 --> 00:43:05,680
Is that correct, like you asked the clerks?

654
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,340
So Dale mentioned at the beginning that that change should take in place.

655
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:15,940
The application had been amended and had been submitted to the state liquor commission for comment and approval, correct?

656
00:43:15,940 --> 00:43:21,640
So, we don't have a final two-wheel drive, so there's a condition that it is clear that

657
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:25,580
the individual making the application, rather than this case, the entity making the application,

658
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:30,540
must in fact be either the owner of the building or have a lease to the building, and if

659
00:43:30,540 --> 00:43:35,000
that's not been accomplished, that prevents, I think, in my opinion, the issuance of the license.

660
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:40,300
It doesn't prohibit the board from continuing to matter, and then the issues as to an access

661
00:43:40,300 --> 00:43:45,280
have more to do with the site plan process than they do with the issuance of the liquor license.

662
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:50,080
Since another liquor license statute do not anticipate any issues as to access, but obviously

663
00:43:50,080 --> 00:43:54,500
they're going to run a establishment that sells alcohol based as they're going to have

664
00:43:54,500 --> 00:43:59,180
to have a commercial site plan in my understanding from Mr. Arnold as they have not done that yet.

665
00:44:00,140 --> 00:44:05,720
So as long as we have say, I don't see anything that prohibits the board from essentially approving

666
00:44:05,720 --> 00:44:10,080
a liquor license on condition of getting a site plan, but that doesn't in my mind solve

667
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,860
the problem of the ownership of the building question, which seems to still be unresolved.

668
00:44:14,860 --> 00:44:17,200
in that they switched to a lease situation

669
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,120
and the liquor commission hasn't looked at it yet.

670
00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:21,320
And so in other words, we need,

671
00:44:21,460 --> 00:44:22,780
absolutely have to have,

672
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:25,600
that the person who is either owns the building

673
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:27,720
or that they have a lease to the building.

674
00:44:28,160 --> 00:44:29,620
And in this case, that person

675
00:44:29,620 --> 00:44:31,860
or the entity would be right L, Ventures LLC,

676
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,120
would have to have a lease presumably from Ms. Raidel

677
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,560
because she's listed as the owner along

678
00:44:37,560 --> 00:44:39,420
with the steel state for the property.

679
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:41,940
And so that is to be accomplished.

680
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:47,880
And the idea is that I don't think the matter is ready to come before you, but this time it doesn't mean it can be continued.

681
00:44:48,940 --> 00:44:50,340
There's nothing in particular to do with it.

682
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:51,600
That was not an issue.

683
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:53,920
There's nothing in particular to do with the issue.

684
00:44:54,020 --> 00:44:55,660
There's nothing in particular to do with the issue.

685
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:57,400
It's a side plan to mine.

686
00:44:57,680 --> 00:44:58,500
Nothing for a hip and sat.

687
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,440
I have not had a chance to look at the case on this.

688
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:29,980
Thank you, Mr. Voss, commissioners. I guess if I could continue through you to press to our attorney. So this is obviously maybe getting the cart in front of the horse, but I understand the same predicament that she wants to know what size of horse she's going to need, depending on the cart. So how can we legally, in your opinion, what would be the best

689
00:45:29,980 --> 00:45:33,540
to do here. Can we grant some assurances that if the proper procedures are far

690
00:45:33,540 --> 00:45:38,420
followed, then we can possibly postpone this and come back at it then? Or would

691
00:45:38,420 --> 00:45:41,780
you be more comfortable legally to do an approval with conditions? Or I'm

692
00:45:41,780 --> 00:45:43,220
looking for some legal advice.

693
00:45:43,380 --> 00:45:47,100
The advice to the jury, I can give any not knowing exactly the details of liquor

694
00:45:47,100 --> 00:45:51,720
license cited this, is my preference would be to continue the matter because the

695
00:45:51,720 --> 00:45:55,020
access issue is important, but that's a matter that runs from the planning department.

696
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,380
It is not something that's relevant to the liquor license, but the liquor license

697
00:45:59,380 --> 00:46:03,100
issues needed to be resolved, I believe, for the county commissioners can prove a liquor

698
00:46:03,100 --> 00:46:08,840
license. So you can put some, oh, sorry. So it continues in my opinion would be the better

699
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:14,600
thing to do rather than an approval with conditions. Simply because we end up with a series of conditions

700
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:19,100
at least one of which has to do with being in the right position to have the license itself,

701
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:24,120
which is separate entirely from the issue with the site plan. So I think a continuance given

702
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:27,540
the fact, and I don't have any reason to believe that the liquor commission is going to have an

703
00:46:27,540 --> 00:46:32,040
issue with this, and as long as the lease lines up with the applicant, the entity that's

704
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:36,260
the applicant and the ownership of the building, then that seems to be taken care of in regard

705
00:46:36,260 --> 00:46:40,740
to the liquor license. And then at that point, the thing remaining is the conditional site

706
00:46:40,740 --> 00:46:45,320
plan. And again, as I said, I have not researched this, but I see nothing in the statutes that

707
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:50,200
prohibits you from issuing a liquor license conditional upon the acquisition of an approved

708
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:53,780
commercial site plan, which of course would have to come back before the board in any case.

709
00:46:53,780 --> 00:46:54,120
So,

710
00:46:57,340 --> 00:47:02,920
Mr. Chair, if we can go back to the deputy clerk, so tell me again and maybe we need

711
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:03,900
the applicant as well.

712
00:47:04,540 --> 00:47:13,960
So it was originally applied for by Del Ventures and Ms. Raidel, you're a part of Raidel Ventures.

713
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:18,120
So what's the change that is taking place with the state liquor commission?

714
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:18,740
So,

715
00:47:31,620 --> 00:47:33,200
yes, when in fact we'll

716
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,300
see, we'll host the event,

717
00:47:44,990 --> 00:47:58,890
when in fact we went in and we talked a deal this afternoon, and we made the adjustment on the application to say that no, the applicant is not applying for the legal license, because I'm doing it off my head, so I'm going to test it.

718
00:47:59,090 --> 00:48:02,830
And that we provide the release, and so we may have headed to that.

719
00:48:04,270 --> 00:48:16,520
So there is an existing lease and that's in the application.

720
00:48:17,020 --> 00:48:19,200
So, Mr. Chairman, through you, my apologies for that.

721
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:21,340
Okay.

722
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:28,200
And, Mr. Chairman, through you, so then you've also changed the application through the state liquor commission?

723
00:48:29,620 --> 00:48:35,300
Mr. Chairman, through you to Mr. Thompson, she has made the modification on the application

724
00:48:35,300 --> 00:48:40,580
for the liquor license and I did send that change to the liquor division along with

725
00:48:40,580 --> 00:48:41,820
the lease that she provided me.

726
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:44,860
Mr. Chair, through you.

727
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:45,740
So help me out here.

728
00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:49,860
I guess I don't recall ever having these conversations before, so usually the applicant comes through

729
00:48:49,860 --> 00:48:50,200
us.

730
00:48:50,400 --> 00:48:53,900
We approve the liquor license and it goes to the State Liquor Commission to get the approval.

731
00:48:54,780 --> 00:49:01,780
Mr. Chairman, Mr. Thompson, we send it to the liquor division and they look at it and

732
00:49:01,780 --> 00:49:06,640
if there's any modifications that may be done before the hearing then we make the modifications.

733
00:49:07,280 --> 00:49:12,280
They usually review this and give their okay on this before the public hearing.

734
00:49:12,980 --> 00:49:18,280
But since I've received it today this afternoon, they haven't had a chance to review the lease yet.

735
00:49:19,680 --> 00:49:22,120
Okay, fair enough. I understand now.

736
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:22,600
Okay.

737
00:49:24,060 --> 00:49:26,180
Thank you, Mr. Adel. Any other questions?

738
00:49:29,310 --> 00:49:34,370
Okay. Is there a motion of any sort so we can have discussion officially?

739
00:49:35,670 --> 00:49:40,230
Fair enough. Mr. Chair, I would move to approve the liquor license contingent upon approval

740
00:49:40,730 --> 00:49:46,050
of the lease by the state liquor commission and upon owned and approved site plan by this commission.

741
00:49:47,490 --> 00:49:47,970
Second.

742
00:49:47,970 --> 00:49:50,990
Okay, we have a motion and a second discussion on the motion.

743
00:49:52,350 --> 00:49:53,470
Commissioner Thompson, anything?

744
00:49:53,830 --> 00:49:54,450
Commissioners want to answer?

745
00:49:55,010 --> 00:49:55,170
Sorry.

746
00:49:55,310 --> 00:49:56,110
Mr. Chairman, through you.

747
00:49:56,370 --> 00:50:00,790
Just taking probably the legal vice into effect, I think would probably be best to postpone

748
00:50:00,790 --> 00:50:01,310
personally.

749
00:50:01,690 --> 00:50:05,710
Just wait until kind of a tease get crossed, the eyes get dotted, and maybe we can just, I

750
00:50:05,710 --> 00:50:08,530
know where it doesn't mean much, but give you our assurance that if the proper processes

751
00:50:08,530 --> 00:50:14,230
are followed, it will come back before us, and probably be approved at that point, but at

752
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:22,890
At this point, I think just based upon legal advice and some things that are lingering out there, it would probably be best to postpone at this point in my personal opinion.

753
00:50:23,290 --> 00:50:27,790
So, let me start now in discussion on the commission.

754
00:50:28,070 --> 00:50:30,650
So, unless somebody has a question, I can't call on you.

755
00:50:30,970 --> 00:50:35,920
So, maybe if we get a motion to postpone, we can discuss that.

756
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,340
Mr. Chair, I moved to postpone this at this time.

757
00:50:40,380 --> 00:50:42,800
We have a motion on the table. We have to dispatch first.

758
00:50:43,420 --> 00:50:43,860
So,

759
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:50,560
any further discussion on the motion to grant a conditional approval based?

760
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:53,480
So, Mr. Chair, I'm not opposed to postponing.

761
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:59,120
And if, you know, I made the motion so that we could discuss it, I certainly don't want to vote this down.

762
00:50:59,300 --> 00:51:04,140
So, I think if this commission is leaning towards postponing, then I would withdraw the motion.

763
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,000
But I wanted to get it out there for discussion.

764
00:51:06,980 --> 00:51:07,380
So,

765
00:51:09,560 --> 00:51:13,000
I think that was the name recommendation.

766
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:17,760
I actually went and looked at this property when it was for sale.

767
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:22,940
And you're right, it's like one of the most gorgeous areas of Laramie County.

768
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:26,840
And you go down to this property and you look at this place and you think,

769
00:51:27,620 --> 00:51:30,760
wouldn't it be fantastic to have this place up and going again?

770
00:51:30,760 --> 00:51:33,140
And so I'm completely with the neighbors.

771
00:51:33,680 --> 00:51:36,100
This is gorgeous and needs to be protected.

772
00:51:36,260 --> 00:51:37,820
And I'm completely with the applicant

773
00:51:37,820 --> 00:51:40,760
that this needs to be revived and regenerated

774
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:42,020
because that's it.

775
00:51:42,100 --> 00:51:43,080
You look at the history of this

776
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:46,820
and you go online and you talk about what a fantastic place.

777
00:51:47,720 --> 00:51:49,700
So I get both sides of this.

778
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,540
Gorgeous property needs to be protected.

779
00:51:52,940 --> 00:51:55,160
But I also think we need to get the bit of while up

780
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:57,200
and going again because I think that would be a cool thing

781
00:51:57,200 --> 00:51:58,080
for Laramie County.

782
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,840
So I'm very much in favor of this moving forward.

783
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,400
I certainly think there's challenges ahead for the applicant.

784
00:52:03,540 --> 00:52:07,340
I think the access from the north alleviates the fears of the neighbors.

785
00:52:07,940 --> 00:52:09,380
I think it truly does.

786
00:52:09,980 --> 00:52:15,140
And so very rarely do we get the opportunity to make a decision up here that

787
00:52:16,080 --> 00:52:20,280
the applicant and the neighbors are going to get, I think, what they both want.

788
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:25,020
So I don't know that we can promise the applicant that it's going to go through.

789
00:52:25,020 --> 00:52:27,660
I don't know how long it takes to get back from the state liquor commission.

790
00:52:27,860 --> 00:52:32,580
I would imagine a couple days, but yeah, I do want to see this go through.

791
00:52:32,740 --> 00:52:37,200
I don't want to vote down the motion though, so I guess I don't know if we take a straw

792
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:37,420
poll.

793
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:41,780
I think everybody's leaning toward postponement, and if that is the case, seeing some heads

794
00:52:41,780 --> 00:52:44,400
nod, then I would happily withdraw my motion.

795
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,900
Okay, do I need their second to withdraw or to agree with you?

796
00:52:49,060 --> 00:52:49,400
Second.

797
00:52:51,140 --> 00:52:51,540
Okay.

798
00:52:51,540 --> 00:52:54,220
Okay, the motion on the table has been withdrawn.

799
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:56,020
Is there another motion?

800
00:52:56,740 --> 00:53:04,340
Yeah, make a motion to postpone this until the issues are resolved so they can come before us again.

801
00:53:05,300 --> 00:53:12,680
So issues with clarification on issues with the liquor commission so that it's approved by the liquor commission.

802
00:53:12,820 --> 00:53:14,400
It can come back before us to be approved.

803
00:53:18,810 --> 00:53:21,830
That be so we have a motion we don't have a second.

804
00:53:22,190 --> 00:53:23,150
So I second the motion.

805
00:53:23,150 --> 00:53:33,070
that, Mr. Chair, so I would like to, if Dale, Mr. Deputy Clerk can confirm that this

806
00:53:33,070 --> 00:53:37,350
will be done by an November 4th meeting through the state liquor commission.

807
00:53:37,350 --> 00:53:39,210
We're going to have word from them by an November 4th meeting.

808
00:53:39,330 --> 00:53:40,610
I would like to postpone it to land.

809
00:53:41,270 --> 00:53:45,590
I don't think it's fair for the applicant to postpone until after she has a site plan.

810
00:53:45,810 --> 00:53:47,970
Because I'm in agreement with her.

811
00:53:48,210 --> 00:53:52,350
I think if they want to go through this entire process, and that's going to be a process

812
00:53:52,350 --> 00:53:55,930
us to get this site plan approved. I think we need to let her know she's going to have a

813
00:53:55,930 --> 00:54:00,710
liquor license available. I agree. I think if we don't do that, yeah, I think it's unfair

814
00:54:00,710 --> 00:54:08,830
of us to do that. But I do think it's appropriate for us to approve the liquor license on the

815
00:54:08,830 --> 00:54:15,510
approval of a site plan. So, okay. I got what you're saying. Does everybody else understand?

816
00:54:16,670 --> 00:54:22,050
Okay, so the motion on the table is to postpone until our November 4th meeting and we'll have

817
00:54:22,050 --> 00:54:25,830
clarification from the liquor commission that the eyes are dotted on the teaser

818
00:54:25,830 --> 00:54:30,670
cost. Will we consider the liquor license at that time?

819
00:54:32,790 --> 00:54:34,810
And it's possible that

820
00:54:34,810 --> 00:54:39,470
it will be issued contingent upon a successful site plan. We'll also give our

821
00:54:39,470 --> 00:54:45,770
attorney time to further investigate that, but it gives potentially, would give

822
00:54:45,770 --> 00:54:50,570
the applicant the confirmation that they can move forward with a particular site

823
00:54:50,570 --> 00:54:52,870
plan in mind as they go through the process.

824
00:54:53,590 --> 00:54:58,050
So, Mr. Chair, can I ask one more bit of Lyle?

825
00:55:03,210 --> 00:55:08,230
What ask everybody that is here that testified today, if you can make sure you're on the

826
00:55:08,230 --> 00:55:13,150
sign-up list with your name and email address, so I think our intention is to come back on

827
00:55:13,150 --> 00:55:17,390
November 4th, but if something comes up, if the State Liquor Commission doesn't give approval

828
00:55:17,390 --> 00:55:23,950
prior to then. Hopefully we can have our staff reach out to the folks that we're here today,

829
00:55:24,190 --> 00:55:27,790
send you an e-mail and say, hey listen, it's not going to go on November 4th, you know,

830
00:55:27,890 --> 00:55:32,910
probably be November 18th at that point, but our intention is go November 4th, but just make

831
00:55:32,910 --> 00:55:37,930
sure you're signed up so we can get information out to you guys. Okay, any other discussion by

832
00:55:37,930 --> 00:55:44,230
the commission on the postponement? Okay, roll call please. Commissioner Heath? Aye.

833
00:55:46,670 --> 00:55:46,890
Commissioner

834
00:55:46,890 --> 00:55:47,210
Mr. Thompson.

835
00:55:47,490 --> 00:55:47,610
Aye.

836
00:55:48,170 --> 00:55:48,950
Commissioner Solana Sir.

837
00:55:49,110 --> 00:55:49,230
Aye.

838
00:55:49,570 --> 00:55:50,150
Chairman Mom.

839
00:55:50,570 --> 00:55:50,690
Aye.

840
00:55:50,930 --> 00:55:51,550
Next item, please.

841
00:55:52,270 --> 00:55:53,130
Item 14.

842
00:55:53,410 --> 00:55:57,330
The consideration of a resolution appointing a member to the Lermy County Planning Commission

843
00:55:57,330 --> 00:56:02,690
to complete the term left vacant by Natasha Gasper, expiring June 30, 2020.

844
00:56:03,150 --> 00:56:03,950
Commissioner Heath.

845
00:56:04,430 --> 00:56:05,470
Yes, Mr. Chair.

846
00:56:05,650 --> 00:56:13,030
I'd like to appoint Brian Casey to complete the term being vacated by Natasha Gasper, expiring

847
00:56:13,030 --> 00:56:15,470
June 30 of 2018.

848
00:56:16,930 --> 00:56:28,750
Okay, we have a motion in the second discussion discussion Mr. Chair Commission Thompson do it. Yeah, just just my thanks to Ms. Gaspar for her work on the planning commission.

849
00:56:29,490 --> 00:56:35,610
We've got a lot of boards that we appoint and all these volunteers that do this for Laramie County.

850
00:56:36,010 --> 00:56:39,490
If we had to pay these folks there's no way we would be able to get this done.

851
00:56:39,490 --> 00:56:43,510
And so really appreciate her stepping forward, serving for us.

852
00:56:43,970 --> 00:56:49,050
Certainly appreciate Brian Casey stepping forward in her stead to move that forward.

853
00:56:49,110 --> 00:56:50,810
So looking forward to having you on board, Brian.

854
00:56:51,490 --> 00:56:55,390
But again, my thanks to everybody that volunteers for these boards in Lermy County.

855
00:56:56,050 --> 00:56:57,170
Thank you, Commissioner Thompson.

856
00:56:57,590 --> 00:56:58,050
Anyone else?

857
00:56:59,430 --> 00:57:00,230
Okay, roll call, please.

858
00:57:00,850 --> 00:57:01,370
Commissioner Heath.

859
00:57:01,790 --> 00:57:01,950
Hi.

860
00:57:02,430 --> 00:57:03,270
Commissioner Holmercat.

861
00:57:03,650 --> 00:57:03,790
Hi.

862
00:57:04,570 --> 00:57:05,090
Commissioner Thompson.

863
00:57:05,310 --> 00:57:05,410
Hi.

864
00:57:05,970 --> 00:57:06,710
Commissioner's one answer.

865
00:57:06,970 --> 00:57:07,130
Hi.

866
00:57:07,130 --> 00:57:11,590
I have one item of the other business, I believe correct.

867
00:57:11,930 --> 00:57:32,030
Yes, Mr. Chairman, item 15, consideration of illegal services contract between Lermy County, Wyoming and law by Lund, SC, to contract legal services in the amount of $160 per hour, and a resolution to a plant, Brad Lund, of law, by Lund, SC, to assist the county as legal counsel.

868
00:57:32,030 --> 00:57:32,750
So I'm

869
00:57:36,210 --> 00:57:37,350
going to be counting attorneys out of this.

870
00:57:37,830 --> 00:57:43,470
As you know, Brad is stepping down from a full time position as a senior deputy in my

871
00:57:43,470 --> 00:57:43,870
office.

872
00:57:44,290 --> 00:57:46,630
I'm going to miss having his energy around, that's for sure.

873
00:57:47,410 --> 00:57:54,310
But he's going to stay on as a contract council for a number of issues that are both ongoing

874
00:57:54,310 --> 00:57:56,550
and probably as needed during the forward time.

875
00:57:58,090 --> 00:58:01,710
I have limited the agreement here and we did this pretty quickly and I'm going to ask for

876
00:58:01,710 --> 00:58:10,490
one modification to be contract in section, section four, section one.

877
00:58:11,070 --> 00:58:14,970
It says contractor agrees to function as legal counsel to the Laramie County Commissioners

878
00:58:14,970 --> 00:58:16,630
to assist the county attorney's office.

879
00:58:17,130 --> 00:58:22,150
I'm just going to ask for the words to the Laramie County commissioners to be removed and

880
00:58:22,150 --> 00:58:27,270
the reason for that is that there is an AG's opinion out there which talks about the retention

881
00:58:27,270 --> 00:58:34,910
a legal counsel by a county attorney and the issue in that case was that they placed the attorney

882
00:58:34,910 --> 00:58:41,670
under the control supervision of the county commissioners and that was found to be an improper

883
00:58:41,670 --> 00:58:47,070
allocation of supervision of the attorney and my concern would be that if there's an indication

884
00:58:47,070 --> 00:58:51,090
that the supervisor authority is not the county attorney's office or rather the commissioners,

885
00:58:51,230 --> 00:58:55,730
this could violate privilege regarding communications which because that flows through the legal

886
00:58:55,730 --> 00:59:00,850
office, in other words, the fact that he's insisting me makes him have a privileged relationship

887
00:59:00,850 --> 00:59:01,270
with everybody.

888
00:59:01,270 --> 00:59:04,970
He doesn't change what he does, but I just asked that language to be removed and everything

889
00:59:04,970 --> 00:59:05,870
else is fine.

890
00:59:06,590 --> 00:59:12,790
Currently, right now, as you know, Brad's been an absolutely amazing help in regard to the

891
00:59:12,790 --> 00:59:14,370
senior services center.

892
00:59:15,530 --> 00:59:19,830
Also, 2020 Carrie had brought a lot of prior experience to that, and it was very helpful.

893
00:59:20,390 --> 00:59:25,650
So, I'm going to keep him on both of those and then basically specify other matters that

894
00:59:25,650 --> 00:59:36,070
that he may be able to assist us with, but we need to eliminate any indication that his direct supervision is other than the county attorney's office because I'm concerned about violating the privilege of that, so.

895
00:59:37,130 --> 00:59:38,650
Okay, any questions from Mark?

896
00:59:40,680 --> 00:59:43,560
By the way, does the meeting have to be legalized?

897
00:59:43,860 --> 00:59:49,080
This means that I'm just removing any indication that he's otherwise supervised to maintain privilege, so.

898
00:59:49,100 --> 00:59:50,020
Okay, Commissioner Thompson.

899
00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:54,700
Mr. Chair, I moved to approve with the recommended change by the county attorney.

900
00:59:55,360 --> 00:59:59,220
Second motion a second any discussion by the Commission discussion

901
01:00:00,510 --> 01:00:14,790
Discussion, roll call, please. Commissioner Heath. Aye. Commissioner Hollingshead. Aye. Commissioner Thomson. Aye. Commissioner Solan, is there? Aye. Chairman Mom. Aye. Anything else to come before us? Mr. Chairman, there's no further. All right. We are adjourned. Thank you all very much.

902
01:00:14,790 --> 01:00:15,030
Shhh!