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this meeting of the Laramie Planning
Commission to order. I think if the

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clerk could call the role

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is absent. Bull
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» Heiser White absent. Moody
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» Oul absent. Schneider
>> here.

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» And Madamore
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» That's four present. three absent.
>> Uh chair would then entertain a motion.

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Well, any additions to the agenda from
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» Seeing none, uh chair will entertain a
motion.

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» So move to accept the agenda and minutes
as presented.

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» Do I have a second?
>> Second.

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» All those in favor say I. I.
>> Okay. No, I'm seeing no citizens in the

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room. Are there any online? No. Seeing
none, we'll go to planning commission

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and staff reports and comments. Anything
there?

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Mr. Chair, we do have one announcement,
kind of a reminder of the Forge

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Exchange,
our public engagement space in downtown.

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I'm just pulling up the hours real
quick, but we do encourage you guys to

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come participate uh if you can during
the opening hours. We did have a open

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house last Thursday which was well
attended. Um we had about 38 people

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there so that was that was good. But
just to remind everybody um the Forge

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Exchange space is open on Wednesdays
from 10 to 1,

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Thursdays 2
and Fridays from 8 to 11. So come see us

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during that time and talk comp plan.
>> Okay. Uh one question for staff Derek.

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Uh do you have any dates on the DDA's uh
presentations?

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» Yeah, sure. I can uh bring you up to
speed on that a tiny bit here. So March,

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let me just make sure I'm telling you
the right dates here. March 25th, 26th,

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and 27th, the DDA will be doing some
public engagement uh related to the

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downtown development plan. Um
those meetings uh exact times I don't

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quite have solidified yet. We're kind of
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going to be some different opportunities
throughout the day. We're going to be

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meeting with stakeholders. So it's going
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owners, things like that within the
downtown. Uh we're going to have some

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openhouse style type events as well as
some cherettes that we're going to do

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some real specific uh kind of planning
exercises with people to kind of go

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through some different concepts and
ideas and thoughts that we've heard of

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and it's really going to be the first
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engagement of the downtown development
plan. So March 25th 26th 27 it's not

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going to be the whole day for everybody.
Um, there's going to be different

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opportunities for different groups of
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probably next week we'll probably have
some way more detailed information

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coming out, but that's a good that's a
good reminder. Yeah.

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» All right. Well, thank you, Derek.
>> Absolutely.

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» Seeing nothing else, we'll get on to
disclosures. Are there any disclosures,

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exparte, communication, conflicts of
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Hearing none, we'll carry on.
Uh new business, no old business. We

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will go to new business. Planning
Commission request for fencing as

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permitted by LMC
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100.D.1.h.

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Take it away, Derek. Planning
Commission, uh chair, thank you. Um,

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what I'm going to do is I'm actually
going to turn this presentation over to

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Jay Smith. Jay Smith, uh, works in our
water department and is primarily

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focused on water distribution within the
city. And so, uh, what I do want though

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to introduce you to is there is a one
little sentence in in code related to

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fencing, which is the section that I
provided that allows planning commission

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to consider alternative materials for
fencing. And simply the reason why we're

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bringing it to you is because this is a
fencing uh type or material that we

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don't allow in code, which is this chain
link fence with the razor wire on top.

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Um just really it's not most of the time
necessary for much of anything. And so

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uh we're bringing it to you in a pretty
unique scenario here. And so, um, I just

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wanted to kind of preface with that
because I don't know if we'll ever do

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another one of these again because I
we've never done one before. And so, um,

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this may be a pretty limited
opportunity. So, anyway, I'm going to

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turn this over to Jay Smith, um, and let
him kind of present the report and we'll

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be available if you need to as well.
Ryan, I'm gonna have to say what this

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microphone is huge. It's really tall
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That's why we got it.
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it with Phil and it fits him perfect.
>> Yeah, it's okay.

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» Mr. Chair, uh, as Director Teny
mentioned, my name is J. Smith and I'm

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with the utility division of the city.
And what you have before you is a

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request for two projects for uh security
fencing for the Grant Street uh pump

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station and the zone 2 storage facility.
And the reason for the chain link and

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the barb wire is because those are the
recommendations not only from the

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American Waterworks Association but also
from Homeland Security. And for obvious

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reasons, right, what these facilities do
and where they're located, it's pretty

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important, vulnerable, and
I don't want to get too in the details

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about what could happen or what may
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410 ft around it, located on the west
side of Laramie. There will be three

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strands of barb wire on top of that and
one man gate and one fullsize gate

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there. For the zone two tanks located
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there's 1,025 ft and then 8ft tall with
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then and two fulls size gates.
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infrastructure within the city and I
would I beg for your approval.

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» You don't have to go that far.

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» I'm not too proud. So, I'll do whatever
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what I don't understand is why you
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mean, lots of other cities did protect
their water infrastructure.

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Um, and the other other question I have
is the new pump you put up off of Well,

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it's I don't know if it's 9inth or Roger
Canyon right at that location, but that

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doesn't have a fence around it either or
is that lower on the priority list?

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» So, Mr. chair. The the Ninth Street pump
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North Tank Pump Station, it has security
inside the building. It has motion

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detectors, and at some point there will
be a security fence there. Also, at this

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point though, because of easements and
the way that project happened and was

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built with I' I don't know if you've
noticed, it's a fence inside a fence.

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» Yeah. And so because of some of those
unique characteristics, that one takes a

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little bit longer. But this will be not
this will not be the last of security

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fencing that goes up. The reason these
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One in the county at the water treatment
plant also. And the reason these were

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chosen is because of a risk assessment
that we performed with Homeland Security

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about two years ago before my time with
utilities. But there will be a string of

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security updates as we go forward. And
so I don't really have a good answer of

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why these have been the way they have.
And as it mentions in the report, they

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have been vandalized in the past. There
have been circumstances there and

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different issues. We'll say most of them
not very flattering as you can imagine.

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But
to this point, there's not been any real

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vulnerability yet or any real threat.
They've all been mostly kids painting

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» things on there. And so I know that
would get a chuckle out of Commissioner

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Moody. The And so there that's the
reason. Well, I don't have a reason for

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why it they are the way they are now. I
can tell you that we are working on it

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and they won't be like that in the
future.

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» All right. Well, we shall see you here
again. You get to be a regular visitor.

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» I I got a couple Well, maybe just one
more to kind of piggyback on what Tom

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was asking. There's the pump station at
Indian Hills. There's a pump station

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down. I mean, there's several more pump
stations around town. Are these going to

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be in the future needing security fence
like this?

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chair through you.
In my personal opinion, yes, there will

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be some fencing there, but we may have
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creative in some of those locations. as
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that pump station that is dead smack in
the middle of a neighborhood and

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figuring out what we can do there to
kind of put in something that isn't

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three strand barb wire fence 8ft tall or
figuring out if there's something else

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or maybe it does end up being that. But
those will have to be evaluated each one

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before we do that. I mean, you could
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you're familiar with the system, there's
also Worcester Drive, right? That's

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right off of Grand there, and that's a
that's a pretty important pump station.

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It has boulders in front of it for
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the road. That would stop it from
hitting the building. But there may be a

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chance at some point that there's also
security fencing going on there.

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We also have to keep in mind for the
volume of work, there's only so many

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contractors that you can get within a
12-month period to do fencing. So, we

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struggled with that a little bit to
begin with when we were looking for

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quotes and looking to get these fences
done. So, as far as all of the pump

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stations being fenced,
I cannot sit here honestly and tell you

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two years everything will be fenced.
That's kind of the goal or to be

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protected, we'll say,
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» Maybe not fenced,
>> right? And I guess my my followup or

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leading question is perhaps the planning
Derek Philip maybe is there some text

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amendment that we could write that for
something that for security issues for

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infrastructure like this doesn't have to
go through this process it can just get

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done because it seems like it should be
more important to get done than to come

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before us to get us to say it can be
done because I think almost

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unconditionally we would probably always
say go do it. Yeah,

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» chair, commissioner,
you're thinking actually along the lines

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that Jay and I have already had
conversations about. Um

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something that we hadn't had a
conversation about until this came up

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and when we started going through code,
we're like this makes sense to

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potentially exempt these facilities from
the standards. So that correct it does

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not have to come before the planning
commission for security improvements to

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our critical infrastructure really is
what that boils down to. And so I think

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that that's possible. We actually spoke
about it this morning about adding it

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into kind of like a next set of text
amendments that come forward. So maybe

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you don't see Jay again, which maybe is
good, maybe is bad, but um I like Jay,

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so I'm going to try to make his life
easier. But I think you're right. Right.

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We want to protect that infrastructure.
It's not something we likely would uh

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not want to see done. Um but I think too
we can be conscious of like where these

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different locations are and try to try
to do the right thing for the

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neighborhoods or places where these
fences go in uh secure facility but also

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do what's necessary in terms of maybe
aesthetics or whatever. Right. So

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» first
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to uh
identify the vulnerabilities

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of of our water infrastructure.
>> Agreed.

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Any other questions? Kendra, you have
anything?

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» No, I don't have anything. Thank you.
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» Well, thank you very much.
>> Thank you.

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» Is there any public comment on this?
Seeing nobody here, nobody online.

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The chair would entertain a motion.
I'll move to approve a request by the

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city of Lurmy to allow for an 8-ft
security fence with a barb wire on top

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to allow for securing our water supply
in two locations at Grant Street pump

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station and at the zone 2 storage
facility.

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» Second.
>> All right, I moved and seconded. All

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those in favor say I.
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Uh, guess it carries.

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» Well, did we beat our 15minute record?

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» Should we adjourn?
>> Not injured yet.

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» Okay, go ahead. Make
>> Make a motion to meeting.

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» All those in favor, stand up and leave.
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Yeah, I think we did that. I got 14
minutes.