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Members, 20, 25, I'd like to call this meeting to order and ask if they have a cell phone, please turn it to silent, or off so that we don't have any interruptions.

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We're going to start this evening's meeting with an indication, and then followed by the pledge of allegiance, so please stand.

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By your heads, please take a moment to reflect with gratitude and purpose.

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As we gather this evening, we recognize April as fair housing month, and reaffirm our shared commitment to equality, dignity, and opportunity for all.

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May our efforts help ensure that everyone in our community has a safe and stable place to call home.

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Next week, Mark's National Library Week, a time to celebrate the power of knowledge,

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and the vital role our library's plan and inspiring learning, fostering creativity

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and strengthening connections with our community.

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Let us continue to support those who provide access to education and opportunity for all.

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This evening, we also recognize and celebrate several firefighters,

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reaching an important milestone in their service.

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Their dedication and bravery are a testament to their commitment to protecting others.

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May they be guarded by wisdom, strengthen by courage, and support it by the gratitude

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of those they serve.

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May our work tonight reflect the values of fairness, knowledge, and service that make our

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city strong.

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Thank you, please have a seat. We do have some ceremonial items on the agenda today. We start with a lead.

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cities for city's certification.

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Good evening, Mayor and Commission.

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As you are aware, we are very excited to announce our certification.

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A goal level certification for our sustainability and resilience work across our community.

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This goal level certification is provided by the lead for cities program.

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And we have a Lexus Berry here today to present the certification to you all.

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Hi, good evening.

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Mayor Brown and the members of the City of Largo's Commission.

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It's in honor to be with you today as we celebrate the city's gold-level certification and the US Green Building Council's lead for city's rating system

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for anyone who doesn't know that's the second highest certification level you can get it

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and that's not an April full show

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I'm sure that most of you are familiar with individual buildings that certify under the lead rating system

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But what does it mean to certify an entire city the lead for city's rating system was both by

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and for local governments, pursuing a more sustainable and resilient future.

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Leave for cities provides an evaluation of where you are today, addressing topics such

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as renewable energy, solid waste management, land use planning, transportation, air and

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water quality, and so many other factors contributing to a city's overall quality of life.

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Largo joins a strong community of Florida cities, towns, and counties committed to sustainability

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and resilience excellence.

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Around the country, nearly 150 local governments are certified,

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and 27 of those are from Florida,

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making it the most certified cities and communities

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out of any state in the U.S.

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Today, we are here to celebrate the city of Largo,

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so congratulations on achieving lead gold certification

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for lead facilities.

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The city did exceptionally well in transportation

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and the land use category,

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achieving points for compact, mixed use,

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transit where it's in development standards as well as meeting requirements for transportation

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safety and transit supportive design. We are pleased to see the city's efforts to track its

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energy use on its buildings and increase the efficiency of street lighting as well as taking

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accountability towards a city wide carbon neutrality. Largo means the thresholds for a new

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energy and stormwater management ensuring that less than 50 percent of the city's total land

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area is impervious terrain.

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The city also received all six innovation points in the rating system, relocating essential

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components of the city's sanitary sewer system, which through the lift sanitation modernization

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and hardening projects, and also including sustainability considerations in the capital

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improvements program budget process, are just two examples.

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Your efforts will not only create a safer, healthier, more efficient and resilient places,

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but also it will help ensure everyone has access to a better way of life.

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This work is only made possible because of the people that are committed in its partners.

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I'd like to commend your staff team, share it in

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and constants for committing to this process and driving the local effort.

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My deepest appreciation goes to the mayor and you all

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of the commissioners for recognizing the importance of this work

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and committing to leadership on sustainability and resilience.

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Let's go.

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Pop down leadership support and buy across the part mentally, the results of this effort can be transformative.

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I'd also like to acknowledge the Bank of America for their continued support of our program.

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Largo participated in our lead for city certification cohort, which the bank has supported since its inception.

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So thank you also to the Bank of America. In closing, the U.S. Green Building Council is here for you.

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We're really excited to support you as you prioritize your investments and shift into implementation.

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We're excited to see where your journey takes you.

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Thank you for your leadership and congratulations to you all.

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Thank you.

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Next we will have a proclamation celebrating National Library Week.

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Whereas the Largo Public Library provides residents of Largo and surrounding communities access to resources and services

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that help them meet their fundamental needs and realize their full potential.

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And whereas the Largo Public Library provides guidance in the use of the library's collections, computers, e-resources

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and connects people to community resources that help them find, evaluate, and use information

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they need for jobs, help, and recreational needs.

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And whereas the larger public library provides programs for children, families, adults, and

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elders to enrich their understanding of the world and expose them to perspectives other

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than their own.

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And whereas the success and vitality of libraries are greatly enhanced by the support and advocacy

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of dedicated volunteers who work tirelessly to support library programs, race funds and advocate

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for library needs, and whereas the Logo Public Library provides equitable access to services

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through the outreach program to enhance community resiliency, and whereas the Logo Public

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Library encourages residents to obtain a library card and activate all the privileges

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I come with it. Now therefore I would be brand-mare of the City of Logo Florida, and on the

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half of the City Commission do hereby proclaim the week of April 6th through the 12th 2025,

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as National Library Week, and urge all residents of the area to avail themselves of the enriching

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resources of the Largo Public Library and to actively support it.

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Good evening, Mayor and Commissioners.

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National Library Week observed in the U.S. each April originated in 1958.

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It is a time to celebrate the contributions of our nation's libraries and librarians and to

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promote use and support.

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This week also has specific days set aside to see the library workers and bookmobile outreach

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services. In July of this year, the Largo Public Library will be celebrating the 20th anniversary

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of the Library Building, which over the years has seen a lot of changes both inside and

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out. New technologies enable patrons to access information, entertainment, and literature

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in a variety of electronic formats. At the same time, print and physical materials have seen

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an increase in usage as patrons access materials in various ways to suit their needs.

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Library programs have always been a critical resource for literacy, inspiring connection and lifelong learning by bringing joy and discovery to all ages.

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Book clubs, cooking, gardening, crafting and technology programs allow people to explore new interests and meet new people, creating a sense of community.

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On the outside, the Library's Reading Court Yard is evolved into a certified butterfly and

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pollinator garden, where programs that promote both lifelong learning and sustainability

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are held.

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In addition, since 2019, Library staff have been providing outreach services to the community

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of Largo with bookmobile and home deliveries.

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These are essential outreach efforts to underserved and homebound residents.

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With these programs, the Library helps diminish the social isolation felt by many of our senior

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residents. As you can see there's a lot to love about your

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logo public library. Our success was not be possible without the support of

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a library staff, volunteers, support groups, and city leaders. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Next we'll hear about fair housing month.

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Whereas fair housing is a principle of civil rights which secures a right to live

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where one chooses to raise a family and best personal resources and live in

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in Tranquility, and whereas this year celebrates the 57th anniversary of the passage of the federal

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Housing Act of 1968, and sort of laws have affirmed the right of every person that have access

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to housing free of barriers based on race, ethnic background or religion, people with disabilities

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or familial status or sex, and whereas the opportunity to choose to live in a neighborhood or community

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free of barriers based on race, religion, and ethnic background, people with disabilities or familial

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status or sex has substantially favorable impact on the economy, lifestyle and fabric

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of the community, and whereas Fair Housing Month traditionally has been noticed during

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the month of April to remind citizens of their duty and obligation to encourage Fair Housing

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and flight discrimination as well as the benefits of unrestricted access to housing, and

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whereas it is the policy of this body to recognize and encourage Fair Housing throughout

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all of the city of Largo.

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Now therefore I would be brown mayor of the city of Largo, Florida, and on behalf of the

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Commission, proclaim the month of April 2025 to be fair housing month, with the knowledge

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that continued vigilance against discrimination in all its forms will benefit the citizens

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of largo and building a strong and cohesive identity and spirit.

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Good evening, the city recognizes the importance of the Fair Housing Act to ensure equal

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access to housing within our room. The city is a participating member of the Temple Bay

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Fair Housing Consortium, which provides fair housing education and outreach and all-term

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to celebrate the right of our persons to live in a strong, sustainable, and inclusive community.

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This year, the 21st Annual Temple Bay Fair Housing Supposing, I'm theme is closing doors on discrimination and opening doors to equality.

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The supposing will be held in person on April 23 from 830 until 23 at the Penelis Virtual Organization.

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Okay, the app. 459, automature road in Clearwater, Florida.

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The registration is open at nasvirtu.org.

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And now, I'd like to introduce my show.

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Thank you all on behalf of the Tampa Bay Fair Housing Consortium for your proclamation. And thank you for having me this evening. And we look forward to seeing you on April 23rd. We have a great event plan and we would love to have anyone there who would like to come. Thank you.

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Before the chief comes down, I've got to, I meant to do this earlier, but Malachi is a shadowing

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me this afternoon.

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He's been with me since three o'clock today, certainly wave to Malachi and welcome him.

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He's a high school student over at Largo High,

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and I didn't tell him I was going to do that.

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So, next we'll have some ceremonies from the fire department.

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Good evening, everyone.

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On behalf of fire rescue and on behalf of the fire,

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typically performs these ceremonies on the items.

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Somebody said in their annual evaluation that they are working on

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public speaking, so here we go.

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We are delighted to be recognizing a few of our outstanding personnel

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who will be swimming in and pinning the Lieutenant Billy Stark

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and celebrating and recognizing seven probationary firefighters coming out probation and providing them with a yellow helmet.

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start with the Lieutenant.

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So, fire rescue will like to congratulate in the officially swearing Lieutenant Billy Stark as a fire officer.

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Within our ranks, promotion to Lieutenant requires several components, including that a candidate must type State of Florida fire officer 1 and 2.

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have a minimum of five years service with logo fire rescued and hold minimum internal

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certifications as Indian driver and enacting lieutenant.

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Once those credentials are verified, a candidate may sit for our promotional process with

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test or tactical and strategic prowess, written aptitude exam on policy, procedure, administrative

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and contractual knowledge, a panel interview assessment along with assessments on training and leadership

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qualities to assure they meet our values of collaboration, passion, integrity, and creativity.

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The candidate, excuse me, the candidates are ranked and the final assessment involves an

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interview with both the fire chief and deputy chief, where final decisions are made for

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motions are earned.

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Congratulations again, Lieutenant Stark.

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This arduous journey was well earned and is not only just begun.

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So for the ceremony for the Lieutenant, he's already gotten his red helmet.

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This was the first opportunity we have had to get him up here in front of the commission,

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the mayor, and the city manager.

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So welcome.

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He nervous?

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It's not like this scene, trust me.

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So his wife, Nicole Nikki, is going to come up and pin him with his brother.

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And then from the probation or five fighters, I do have a very brief statement on their

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journey into earning their yellow helmets.

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It is a year-long process.

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They've already attended a fire academy, a state of fire academy.

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It could be anywhere in the state and they'd become a floor certified firefighter.

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And then they go through our process of getting hired and then we put them through another

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academy.

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So that's where usually a couple of months could be more depending on the size of the group.

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And then we test them for the rest of their year on written exams, practical hands on exams,

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and then the absolute most important part is making sure they fit with the character of a lot of a fire rescue.

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So these seven individuals have certainly done that, not congratulate you.

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So typically I'm going to keep this short because I am that fat person.

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We read off some LinkedIn BIOS, but because it's so hot in here and so well as I know.

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We will keep it moving.

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I'm going to call you up one by one.

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And she picked me and is going to present you with you yellow helmets on the street.

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Matthew Ice.

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Jacob Smith.

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Colin Armstrong.

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Levi Albrecht.

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Didn't know this nickname, but we have a coaxilman.

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Is there a coaxilman?

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Steven Scotting Thompson.

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It's okay.

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Okay.

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Don't worry about me.

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Do you pass for a wish?

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And last but not least, Sarah Howard.

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Is your answer, sir?

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Thank you.

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Ladies and gentlemen.

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Hi, stay training.

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We can't get past that part of it.

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Do you strongly swear that I'll support and protect the Constitution of the United States, and

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of the state of Florida against all enemies, domestic or foreign, and that I'll be our true faith.

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Well, I'll deal on the agents to the same.

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That I am entitled to hold office under the Constitution,

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that I'll faithfully perform a lot of the duties of the office

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of the office, of the State of office.

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And the City of Largo.

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The City of Largo.

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Upon which I'm about to enter.

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Thanks for your concerns.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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I'm glad you leave it here.

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Congratulations all next. We'll have citizens comment if you'd like to speak about something on the agenda and on the agenda outside of the consent

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Please wait until it item comes up.

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We'll let folks are leaving, give them a minute to leave.

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It smells like vodka.

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All right, do we have any cards this evening?

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Yes, I have several cards tonight and what I'll do is in case anyone's in one of the

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I'll call a name and then say who will be after so they have time to get here.

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First up is Eric Gerard, and he's speaking for James Bonnell, Keith Bailey, Bruce

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Barrel, Patricia Gerard, Ruth Whitney, Paul Brown, Jamie Robinson, for a total of 10 minutes.

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Oh, I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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I'm sorry.

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First up is Eric Gerard, and he's speaking for James Bonnell.

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Keith Bailey, Bruce Barrel, Patricia Gerard, Ruth Whitney, Paul Brown,

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Jamie Robinson, for a total of 10 minutes.

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I briefly wrote a year that I would much rather be here talking about pollinators and Florida

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native plants and round about, but tonight I feel it's necessary to spend these few minutes

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addressing prejudice, bigotry, hate, and holocaust.

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It's tragic and it's dangerous that we find ourselves in this place where in this nation, in

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own community here in Largo, outrageous lies about our own neighbors, are being blared, promoted

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and capitalized upon by people whose jobs ought to be to protect all of us.

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Full disclosure, I'm Jewish.

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I've experienced firsthand in my life the bigotry and ignorance of anti-Semitism, tragically

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the intersections are indisputable between historical anti-Semitism and today's verbal and

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physical attacks on people who are gay, or trans, or immigrant, or the different skin color

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than mine.

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And though I wish I was, I'm not overstating.

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A few brutish individuals within the majority party seek to seize and hold power, small people

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who want to make themselves appear big by trampling on others.

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They identify a common complaint among their constituency

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and for Germans in the 1930s it was, guess what?

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The economy.

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Single out one or two or more minorities,

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preferably those already historically marginalized,

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blame the disaffection on them.

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Truth doesn't matter.

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Truth is set on its head.

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To bigger the lie, the more it's repeated, the more it's accepted, especially by people who are looking for someone, anyone to blame for their discontent.

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Shout down terrorized the opposition, co-opt the media.

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Choose in Germany, immigrants in America, there's no difference.

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or gay people, trans people, why they're corrupting our children.

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It doesn't matter that this is a massive, despicable lie.

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Just like the blood liables about the Jews, the non-existent protocols

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of the elders of Zion, a concocted fiction about a Jewish plot

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to control the world, those lies, that's the pogroms.

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The get-os, the deportations, the murders, the Holocaust.

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And here in America, in Florida, in Largo, ignorant, contemptible people, our cues, our

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library,

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our library of promoting so-called sexual identity and indoctrination by caring

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books that contain characters who are gay indoctrination, that's what the Nazis said about

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the Jews.

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We carry the Jewish disease.

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Careful.

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Don't get to close.

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You might catch it.

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Rational people must say out loud and often.

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Gay people, trans people, immigrants, people of color,

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are human beings.

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Just like me, a Jew, and everyone else here.

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We're all people.

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We all have dreams.

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We love and strive.

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We want peace in our lives.

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everyone here. But that understanding runs counter to the hate

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motorcycles. They want to make the minorities into non-person. In

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Germany, my people were declared by law to be

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intervention. Subhuman. We were stripped of our rights, thrown out of our

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professions, and the universities, curated into

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ghettos, and eventually shipped to the extermination camps. In America,

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right.

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Right now, mask jackboots are costing people in their homes and kidnapping them off the street, and without warrants, without hearings, or any chance to defend themselves, are hurting them into detention camps, here on our soil, or sending them to Guantanamo, yeah, detention camps, here in the United States, you think that we would learn.

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In another clear-cut strategy to erase our neighbors, the hate-mongers are purging on literature.

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The latest assault, a coercion to be more precise, is to threaten funding for our city.

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Funding likely for flight control and public safety, which is what the city normally applies for,

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if, if we don't purge our library of books with gay or trans characters, in his threatening

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letter, state representative Bernie Jackson actually said, and I quote,

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taxpayer-funded institutions, especially those serving children, must reflect the values

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of the community, not serve as platforms for controversial social movements.

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Such a good spot.

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Controversial social movements, who made a controversial, but you, Mr. Jackson, controversial,

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like what, like abolition or civil rights, values of the community, my values, my values are to leave people alone to live their lives without being bullied and intimidated.

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Penalty County Commissioner of Visnow Wiki actually drafted a threatening resolution to

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wipe from library shelves, certain materials that, and again, I quote, promote or endorse

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any sexual identity in spaces intended for children. Thankfully, his resolution was tabled

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by a vote of five to two, but that didn't stop Mr. Noicki from repeating his threat from

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the Dias. So much to tell Mr. Noicki that the professionals in all our libraries already

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And, as I said previously, keep the shelves age appropriate, and Mr. Norwicky, should we

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remove all the books?

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My question?

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All the books?

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With a mommy and a daddy too, because heterosexual identity.

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Let me say plainly, it's a short walk from clearing the children's shelves to clearing them

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all.

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Just imagine a library devoid of all books that anyone found troubling.

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As I ramp up, let's turn a light on the bill under consideration in Tallahassee right now.

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Right now, that stays, and again, I'm quoting,

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a governmental entity may not erect or display a flag that represents a political viewpoint,

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including but not limited to, a politically partisan, racial, sexual orientation,

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and gender, or political ideology, ideology, viewpoint.

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And the intense clear, I don't have to spell it out, you should know, though, that it's already

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passed two Senate committees, and hopefully, hopefully, it'll die in the house.

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One out of three of the world's Jews, one third of my people, were annihilated in the Holocaust,

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but it wasn't just Jews who were swept up and murdered gay people and the Roma and the

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into intellectuals, Catholics, clergy,

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dissidents, the physically and mentally handicapped,

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Russians, polls, and so many more.

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Another five million people were wiped out in that madness.

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Unless it escaped you, let me make clear that the great majority

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of Germany's good citizens and their Axis allies knew it

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and quietly went along.

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So now in America, America,

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don't think it couldn't happen to you just because you're not gay or trans, or Jewish, or black, or Hispanic, or Muslim, or Asian, or immigrant, or a protester, when the beast gets hungry, it devours everything.

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The only way to stop it is to find our spines and to find our voices.

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And in the face of the thuggery that's coming out of Washington and Tallahassee stand up

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and say, no, not here.

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Thank you.

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The next speaker will be Greg Gardner and after him will be Matt Faustini, Mr. Gardner

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is representing Mike Monacato and Kim Brammer.

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I did a illustration.

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I think you guys put on the screen to be nice.

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The Wizard of Largo by me.

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It's now been three years since I decided to be a good citizen

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and immersed myself in local politics,

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what is known as civic virtue.

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During this time span, I've been fined to hell

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and back three times for my good deeds.

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The city also put me through 13 months of law fair

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cost me over 10,000 hours,

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and I still have no clue what the city wanted

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when all they needed to do is ask.

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The C said I was a threat and a danger of the community, then wrote a dammer report how horrible I am.

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When the sheriff deputies arrived at my house, confused why I'm helping old people clean up their properties for free.

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The deputy said, keep up the good work, Mr. Gardner. You should seriously run and consider to be a commissioner for City Largo.

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And we've got your back and they did.

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All of this for stick my nose out trying to do good.

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Just made and confused and suffering the same level of psychosis as Mark Richards.

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I quickly got an appointment to see a psychiatrist.

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The doctor asked, if I could draw what I see in my head.

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I replied, sure, that's easy.

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Here's what I share with the doctor.

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In this illustration, sit up.

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The line character represents city management.

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Now, the line is supposed to be the king of the jungle, fearless and brave, but something

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obviously went wrong.

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Most likely, explanation, DEI infection.

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The 10-man represents city policy.

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He has no heart, no empathy, and has the constant need for admiration and validation.

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The scarecrow represents the commission.

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Now, aside from the obvious, he's charming, loved, and extremely loyal.

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The yellow brick road represents the nuisance abatement program.

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This is the gold standard that was used to build denerald city.

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To find monkeys represent the city attorneys.

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They carry out the wizard's orders.

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They are very loyal and well fed.

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But too dumb to know they are their own captives.

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Emerald cities where people go expecting their dreams be fulfilled

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only to end up with superficial substitutes.

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Nothing is real.

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Emerald City turns out to be a giant gimmick factory.

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The wicked witch of Largo...

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Repressants, oppression, and abuse of power. Dorothy's journey reveals unimaginable evil, male

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levelance, and disparity. Dorothy represents the common lago citizen. Dorothy has to find

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your way home, but all the city bureaucracy keeps getting in the way. Tutto, by far, is the most

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awesome character of the mob, but you need to figure out what total represents for yourself.

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And, and represents city crime, she's not shown here because all the crime is

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Largo's hidden.

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Robin Hood was left out on purpose because no one understands except for city

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attorney and the mayor.

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The doctor looks at me and says, that's wicked.

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I replied, I know.

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I asked the doctor if there's any help for me.

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She replied, hell no.

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The doctor went on to say, if you just set out to be light, you would be prepared to compromise

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on anything at any time and you would achieve nothing.

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The end, anybody wants a full-size picture of that illustration, we're like an entertainment

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district, and this would qualify for entertainment, and you know, I'll be happy to send

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it to you.

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Thank you.

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Good night.

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Thank you.

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Next speaker will be Matt Faustini and after him will be William Johnson.

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Good evening.

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Matt Faustini 1015 Lake Palm's Drive Largo.

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I came here to speak tonight in defense of our public library.

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I get the joy of tutoring ESL once a week.

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and helping a actual PhD researcher at USF St. Pete, who is working on getting his green

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card and studies climatology and studies our Bay to protect the vital nutrients and figure

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out the balances we need to prevent red tide. Those are the types of services that are provided

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on our library, that directly help our community, and to see representatives elected representatives

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put out lies about our library is disgusting. So while some elected officials want to

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put out some lies, I'm going to put out some truths. And the truth is Bernie Jock has done

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nothing for this city, Bernie Jock took away a woman's right to choose. Women no longer in

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the state have a right to choose because of Bernie Jock. He voted for the live local act any

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of you that are unhappy about the development that's happening next to Largo Middle. Thank Bernie

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Jock, we should call it Jock estates. Because he voted for the legislation that took this

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to stop it. Let's talk about how he has the most he's delivered for

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Largo. One public restroom in Largo Central Park. That's all he has to

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show for his career in the state legislature.

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That's the type of man we're

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talking about who's threatening this city.

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He is a small man who is using our

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as a prop to try to win Nick Dacili's Senate seat in the primary after he is term limited.

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Let's be clear, let's be honest about what this is, and our city should not be used as a political

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prop by a man who can't deliver anything for the residents of Largo.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Next speaker is William Johnson, and after Mr. Johnson will be Donna Winchester.

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Good evening Mayor Brown, fellow board members.

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My name is William Johnson.

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I don't want to live in the city of Margo,

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but I was a resident for seven years.

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I sent everybody an email of a letter that I wrote to you guys

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and also for to do a letter that I wrote to the county commission.

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But I'm going to read the letter that I wrote to the county commission.

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I'm writing to express my strong support for Margo Library

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and to urge you to stand firm and protect diversity, equity and inclusion

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and our public institutions. Library serve as a pillar of our communities providing access

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to knowledge, resources, welcoming space for all people regardless of your background.

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It is deeply concerning that represented, Bernie is threatening to withhold funding

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unless diversity initiatives are removed in reference to sexual orientation and

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children's section and are eliminated. These attacks undermine fundamental principles of fairness

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inclusivity that make our country a place where everyone can belong.

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Center to ship and discrimination have no place in free society and we must reject any attempt

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to dictate who deserves access to representation and or sorry to representation and information.

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Enough is enough at its time to stand up and fight back, not just in Largo but across America.

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Our elected officials do not, elected officials do not, sorry, if any of our elected

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officials do not support any American, or all Americans, they have no business

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for holding public office, we need leaders who will protect the rights of every resident

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and ensure that our libraries and public spaces remain inclusive and accessible.

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I urge you to take a stand against these threats and continue supporting the Lago library and

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broader principles of equality and inclusion.

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Our community depends on leaders like you to hold up these values and push back against those who seek to divide us.

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Thank you for your time and leadership.

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Thank you.

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The next speaker will be Donna Winchester, and after him is Winchester, will be Craig Martha.

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Good evening, everyone. My name is Donna Winchester and I am a citizen of Pinellas County.

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I discovered the Largo Library as a child in the summer of 1967 when my parents moved here from Pennsylvania.

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The library became my oasis, my haven, and it never ending source of learning for me and my younger sister.

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Our mother, who worked as the first librarian at St. Patrick's Catholic School in Largo,

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encourage me to expand my horizons both in reading ability and subject matter and the

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Largo Library did not disappoint. I have continued to be a patron of the Largo Public Library

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for nearly six decades through all its incarnations and have continued to experience all the

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benefits I experienced as a child. I am here tonight to voice my disappointment that an elected

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official who serves at taxpayer expense is finding fault with my library's decisions about

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What it offers to its patrons and its threatening budgetary retaliation, if the library does not

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concede to his narrow-minded view of what is in the best interest of those patrons.

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For me, this is nothing short of tyranny of the powerful, over those who have little or no say and affairs that affect them.

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I'm wondering if our esteemed panelists County Commissioner failed to read the City of Largo's Proclamation, an honor of national public library week, which happens to be April 6th through 12th this year, praising the Largo Public Library, for many things including the following,

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providing programs for children, families, adults, and elders to enrich their understanding

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of the world and expose them to perspectives other than their own.

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I would like to respectfully ask that our Ms. Gidey County Commissioner stayed out of

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the city of Largo's business, take his Gadfly Eye, somewhere else, and leave monitoring

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of our younger citizens to their parents, rather than a strong punishing arm of the government.

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Thank you for allowing me to share my thoughts.

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Thank you.

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Great.

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Martha Largo.

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I'm afraid I don't have anything nearly as controversial to talk about tonight.

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But I wanted to talk about small housing.

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I think the city of Largo is done a great job so far with small housing.

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I love this.

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The accessory dwelling the way you've really been so progressive with accessory dwelling units,

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letting them be built to everywhere, almost everywhere, separate.

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But I have some experience in small housing back in the late 90s, early 2000s.

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I had a bunch of rooms and efficiencies in downtown Clearwater.

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And they were pretty small.

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Some of my efficiencies, the biggest of my efficiencies were maybe 250 square feet,

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some of them were 2205 square feet, which is a lot smaller.

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I call it efficiencies, by the way, that studio apartment, about the same thing.

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But a lot smaller than what they're building today.

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But because they were so small, I was able to rent them very inexpensively.

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I mean, I had minimum wage workers who were living there for years on end, who could afford

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these 225 square foot units.

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And I had a lot of young people who were just coming into the job market who weren't earning

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much and they would live there.

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A lot of seniors who were just out of the job market living on social security and they could

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live there.

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So I think it's a really essential thing to have small housing and I think one of the problems in this country is most jurisdictions in this country use this units per acre system.

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And when you're using the units per acre system, there's no incentive to build small. You want to build as big as the market will demand or the market will support.

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And so, you almost never see studio apartments being built anymore, and they're being taken out,

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because like, mine were taken, I end up selling that property and all the neighbors around.

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They're sold our property to all our properties to a town home developer.

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And so, you know, one by one, they'd be being taken out of my competition.

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When I, back in the 90s, was hotels in the summer time, they would drop their rates.

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And a lot of minimum wage workers would live in the hotels on the beaches.

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But those are my motels of all gone, too,

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because they built town homes and hotels.

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So I just wonder if there's any way,

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I mean, if we were on a floor area ratio system,

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like they have like in Tokyo,

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they're more or much of Japan,

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they use the floor area ratio system.

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So they have much smaller apartments.

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And they get just as much per square foot.

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I mean, Tokyo, I mean, you can get a one bedroom apartment

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for under $1,000 in Tokyo, but I mean, they're going to be very small, they're not as big

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as our one bedroom apartment, so that's how they do it, you know, but so I don't know if

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there's any way we could, I think the only way we could do it here, since we are kind of

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wedded to that for a racialist, it's in the race, our unicebreaker, but then use, I'm sorry,

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we're wedded to the unicebreaker system, if I said that right, but to raise our unicebreaker,

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but then use floor air ratio to reduce the mass square footage so

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developers have incentive to build smaller.

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Thank you.

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00:49:13,090 --> 00:49:17,570
The next speaker will be Lillian Gabusta and after her will be Fred Green.

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Hi. My name is Lillian Gabusta.

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I'm 14 years old and I came to tell you that the Largo Library is very important to me.

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It's supposed to I go to hang out with friends, learn and relax.

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It was one of the main reasons we moved to Largo.

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When we saw it in all the great things we could do and learn there, we knew it was perfect.

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Everyone is always welcome and safe.

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00:49:49,910 --> 00:49:51,530
I'm always so happy when we visit.

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When I heard that people wanted to change it and take away what made it so special, it made me really upset.

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May I round?

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Thank you for standing up to representative Jock because I think the library is perfect just the way it is.

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They always have such great books and events and I love to read.

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So being able to always find books makes me so happy.

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I love how inclusive they are for everyone.

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You can always find at least one book you want to read.

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I think one of the many ways it's so great

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is because no matter what, you have the library.

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If you're bored, go to the library.

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If you want to place your lacks, go to the library.

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If you just need to get out of the house, go to the library.

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No matter what, the library is there for everyone.

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Thank you for your time.

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The next speaker is Fred Greene and after Mr. Greene will be Tony Thompson.

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Thank you, Mayor Brown and county city commissioners for allowing an opportunity for me to speak.

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I'll keep it pretty brief. There's been a lot of great speakers already who are really driving home the point that we really want to support our library.

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Tonight, I'm speaking as a father, my family lives, works, and volunteers here in Largo.

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Finally, we utilize all the services that Largo has to offer.

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We absolutely love going to the library.

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We spend a lot of time in the park.

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There's so much here in our city that is just open for everyone to enjoy.

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And there are places where I can feel safe, comfortable, knowing that my children are going to have a good time.

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As we enter National Library Week, I want to voice support for our library and its staff and volunteers, especially as it faces criticism for having LGBTQ plus literature in its teen room area.

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If I could make a small suggestion as someone who's worked in teen programs for some years,

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you can continue to rely on the voices and opinions of the teens that are in Europe.

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I think that you'll be interested to hear what they have to say. I have two kids of my own and most of the decisions that I make that are going to affect my family or my community. I discuss with my kids. It doesn't seem like that strange of an idea to me to say, hey, this is a space that is for you. What do you like from this space? What do you need from this space? Do you enjoy this space?

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We

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really appreciate my family, my family really appreciates the support that the city, especially

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Mayor Brown with the recent statement in response to ongoing discussions at the state level.

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And I just want to point out that even earlier today, when you were going through all of your ceremonial things, the wording was very specific.

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the wording in the way we addressed and proclaimed as a city, our dedication to ensuring that everyone is welcome, that everyone is included.

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And I'll just leave it at that. Thank you so much for your time.

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Thank you.

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The next speaker is Taughty Thompson, and after her will be Wendy Vernon.

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Good evening. My name is Taughty Thompson, and I currently reside in Safety Harbor,

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but I've grown up in Penelis, and I've lived here my entire life.

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I visited many panels, county libraries in middle school, I was a summer volunteer, I loved

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making and prepping crafts, especially getting to use, that really dangerous machines that

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cuts out all kinds of shapes, but was really razor sharp.

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Once I even spent the night at the old Clearwater Main Library for a volunteer lock-in.

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Now I consider many of my local librarians, my friends, I look forward to seeing them and attending

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the innovative events they offer.

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00:54:45,610 --> 00:54:50,690
As a child before the internet, I utilized the library to learn about everything.

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How to bake what my favorite sports stars childhoods were like as well as about my body.

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I have vivid memories of being a teen at the old Clearwater Main Library, nervously requesting

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books about puberty and how to navigate social issues.

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Material I was too embarrassed to ask my parents to buy or borrow.

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The library always came through for me.

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What I didn't know in the 90s, and I have come to no sense, is that I am transgender.

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My non-binary identity was not something I saw reflected, and therefore couldn't use

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language to express until I was in my late 30s.

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I didn't have language, but I realized I was not just a girl in the first grade at six years

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old.

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This lack of knowledge caused an inner turmoil that I learned to mask.

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I didn't understand how to explain or be myself, so I simply did my best to pretend I was

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everyone else. Losing access to your authentic self puts young people at direct risk for abuse.

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When you do not know how to explain what feels right, discomfort becomes your normal.

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I am grateful to now live in a community that prioritizes fostering an inclusive environment,

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exposing children of any age to diverse life experiences, poses no risks and saves lives.

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It enriches lives and makes them worth living. Parents are capable of having or curving tough

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conversations, we do it all the time for infinite reasons.

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This temporary discomfort is not a hardship.

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Largo's library and the diverse programming

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that they implement invites acceptance and that is healing.

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That is community care.

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Thank you for making the world a safer place

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by letting their librarians do their jobs without interference.

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They are public servants who know their patrons best.

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Every librarian I've had the pleasure of knowing

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cares deeply about their community

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and wants nothing but the best for every child.

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As I said, my name is Lee Goli-Tani,

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and I now go by Alistair.

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That change in the community who affirms it saved my life.

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I appreciate you taking time to listen to your community

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and for using your power to prioritize

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the safety of children with vulnerable identities.

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Thank you.

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00:57:00,220 --> 00:57:00,620
Thank you.

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All right, now I'm emotional.

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Okay. The main reason I wanted to come here today is same as everybody else. I wanted to

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show my appreciation for your support of the library and standing in solidarity with your

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commitment to diverse options in the library. I'm a mother of three children who my spouse and I

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have been raising a panellist county for past 23 years.

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From the very beginning, libraries have been

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a cornerstone of our lives.

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Through story times, music, art, events, books,

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and connections with other families in the community.

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I teach stage of my kids development.

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There needs an interest changed.

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And the library remained a trusted and welcoming space

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for learning, exploration, and growth.

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00:57:57,760 --> 00:57:59,720
We're so grateful for the library and dedication

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throughout the years.

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They worked so hard to ensure all individuals and families

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if you'll see in and valued.

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As my kids gained independence, I remained an active parent.

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It was my decision as a fair parent to decide which

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library resources were appropriate for my child.

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All parents should have the right to introduce their children

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to the real world, not just a filtered version

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dictated by politicians, personal values, or by politicians

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use of children as pawns for their campaigns.

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00:58:30,540 --> 00:58:32,300
Parents should have the right to resources.

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the allow their children to engage with different cultures, histories, and perspectives.

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So they grow into compassionate, informed individuals who can think critically.

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Politicians have no place in deciding how I raise my children or what my family has access to.

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00:58:48,940 --> 00:58:56,000
Parental rights applies to all parents, not just those who's views align with political agendas.

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Public spaces, including libraries, serve everyone,

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and must reflect the diversity of the community's support.

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00:59:04,360 --> 00:59:09,600
The freedom to access knowledge, representation, and different perspectives is not a privilege.

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It's a fundamental right.

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Thank you for not wavering in your dedication to support and preserve the integrity of diverse

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00:59:16,820 --> 00:59:23,540
public resources and for championing true parental rights, the kind of uplift, not restrict,

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the kind that empower, not erase.

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00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:27,000
Thank you.

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00:59:34,430 --> 00:59:40,510
The next speaker is Allison Rensberger and after her will be Rita Donney Hughes Simmons.

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00:59:50,070 --> 00:59:55,510
Hi, I have been a resident of Largo since 2007 and I have been a patron of the Largo Library

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that's entire time.

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00:59:57,810 --> 00:59:59,970
All five members of my household adults and...

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Children enjoy the library and all it offers. Thank you for all of your unwavering dedication to diversity, equity and inclusion in the library.

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01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,920
This demonstrates a true commitment to serving all members of our community.

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01:00:14,820 --> 01:00:22,620
Thank you for committing to having a safe space for all people. All people are born different and libraries are safe spaces for all people.

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We are all different races, genders, religions, and sexual orientations.

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Our differences are what make us great.

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The opposite of diversity is uniformity, and we are not a uniform people.

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This isn't indoctrination, it's inclusion.

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01:00:38,280 --> 01:00:43,640
Encouraging, open conversation and questions is the opposite of indoctrination, and helps us

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create community and unity.

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01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:50,880
I teach my children to ask questions and learn as much as they can to form their own

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01:00:50,880 --> 01:00:52,180
educated opinions.

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Light rays are a key part of this.

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01:00:55,500 --> 01:00:57,720
I would like to share a couple of quotes from Audrey

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Lord, who, which I heard recently and really

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01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:03,280
resonated with me on this issue.

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When we deal with the sameness only,

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we develop weapons that we use against each other

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01:01:10,600 --> 01:01:13,040
when the differences become apparent and we

684
01:01:13,040 --> 01:01:14,120
wipe each other out.

685
01:01:14,740 --> 01:01:16,740
It is not our differences that divide us.

686
01:01:16,940 --> 01:01:19,440
It is our inability to recognize, accept,

687
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:20,960
and celebrate those differences.

688
01:01:21,700 --> 01:01:22,960
Thank you very much.

689
01:01:23,480 --> 01:01:24,300
Thank you.

690
01:01:30,230 --> 01:01:32,510
The next speaker is Rita Donahue Simmons,

691
01:01:32,670 --> 01:01:34,750
and after her will be Keith Simmons.

692
01:01:44,370 --> 01:01:44,530
Hello.

693
01:01:45,050 --> 01:01:45,490
I'm Rita.

694
01:01:45,950 --> 01:01:46,570
This is Virginia.

695
01:01:47,130 --> 01:01:47,490
Hi.

696
01:01:47,890 --> 01:01:49,390
We're here to speak about her.

697
01:01:49,590 --> 01:01:51,550
We're here to speak about how important

698
01:01:51,550 --> 01:01:53,770
Larger Public Library is to our family.

699
01:01:54,650 --> 01:01:56,650
My older daughter who's 15 now,

700
01:01:57,050 --> 01:02:00,790
used them from the time she was 18 months old up until now,

701
01:02:00,830 --> 01:02:02,250
when she goes to the teen room.

702
01:02:02,250 --> 01:02:16,590
Virginia uses them right now, they have wonderful programs for children, and it's not just about someone's sexual identity, although that is extremely important and something that I should have the right to say,

703
01:02:16,850 --> 01:02:31,910
my kids can learn, not at politician. So, we really hope that you can consider not defunding the library as it's an essential source for all families and all people, all economic backgrounds,

704
01:02:31,910 --> 01:02:34,610
all races and all sexuality.

705
01:02:35,110 --> 01:02:38,910
Thank you.

706
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:52,080
Next speaker is Keith Simmons and after Mr. Simmons will be Caesar Doth.

707
01:02:52,500 --> 01:02:54,060
I said that correctly.

708
01:03:03,740 --> 01:03:05,980
I want to thank the mayor for your leadership on this issue.

709
01:03:06,700 --> 01:03:10,880
I appreciate the advisory council's role in regulating

710
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:20,080
material at the library, and representative Bernie has no relationship with the community.

711
01:03:21,060 --> 01:03:25,540
I've joined it, but my Bernie, so maybe if he comes down to give out a few things.

712
01:03:26,360 --> 01:03:26,520
Thanks.

713
01:03:27,140 --> 01:03:27,920
Thank you.

714
01:03:33,740 --> 01:03:34,060
Thanks.

715
01:03:35,560 --> 01:03:36,940
Next speaker is Caesar.

716
01:03:36,980 --> 01:03:38,180
He's our top.

717
01:03:38,320 --> 01:03:39,220
I hope I'm saying that correctly.

718
01:03:39,460 --> 01:03:42,680
And after him, we'll be Megan Jetter.

719
01:03:44,660 --> 01:03:44,820
Hi.

720
01:03:45,040 --> 01:03:45,680
My name is Caesar.

721
01:03:45,680 --> 01:03:48,440
I've been in a resident of Largo for about a couple months now,

722
01:03:48,540 --> 01:03:51,420
but I've been a big resident of my whole life 30 years.

723
01:03:51,900 --> 01:03:54,420
I just wanted to give my appreciation to the Largo Library

724
01:03:54,420 --> 01:03:56,300
and just all libraries in general.

725
01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,140
I've used the library all my life.

726
01:03:59,300 --> 01:04:02,860
As a kid, I would go there by myself to check out the magazines,

727
01:04:03,260 --> 01:04:05,320
the books, DVDs, whatnot.

728
01:04:06,180 --> 01:04:06,960
I got a little older.

729
01:04:07,340 --> 01:04:10,520
I volunteered there as a library to earn my bright future's hours.

730
01:04:10,820 --> 01:04:14,800
And then when I was in school, U.S.F. I would often use the library,

731
01:04:14,800 --> 01:04:21,040
whether it was a one-out US effort here in Largo to go study and now is an adult I'm using the library

732
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:25,740
because it's it's a great resource for everyone the staff it's on great

733
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:33,920
programs and just makes it welcoming to everybody and it should always be welcoming everybody not just for certain people just for everybody in general

734
01:04:34,640 --> 01:04:37,420
That's all I gotta say. Thank you

735
01:04:42,310 --> 01:04:44,970
After Megan Jetter will be on you Gailer

736
01:04:46,470 --> 01:04:48,430
Hello, she just told you my name

737
01:04:48,430 --> 01:04:52,570
I have been a Largo resident for about six years.

738
01:04:52,570 --> 01:04:54,950
I've been in Penelis County since about 2011.

739
01:04:55,990 --> 01:05:01,810
I stand here as a middle-aged white cisgender heterosexual woman.

740
01:05:02,730 --> 01:05:07,270
So what I have to say and the issues that have been brought up tonight,

741
01:05:07,790 --> 01:05:09,870
they don't necessarily affect me.

742
01:05:09,970 --> 01:05:13,830
I could stay quiet, but they affect people that I love very, very much.

743
01:05:13,830 --> 01:05:26,830
I have a resident have watched the city of Largo, raised the pride flag every year, have celebrations for Asian residents, have celebrations for Latin American residents.

744
01:05:27,070 --> 01:05:32,790
You guys have set your bar very high when it comes to inclusion in Penelis County.

745
01:05:33,330 --> 01:05:40,470
I know some people may see us as like one of the smaller cities, but you guys are kicking St. Pete's tail right now.

746
01:05:41,750 --> 01:05:55,670
So what I can say is the largo public library is a safe space, it's been a safe space for me, it's been a safe space for the clients that I serve, it's been a safe space for the people that I love.

747
01:05:56,250 --> 01:06:00,390
I don't have a fancy speech tonight, but I'm inspired by what I'm hearing.

748
01:06:01,250 --> 01:06:04,270
I would challenge you, this isn't gonna go away.

749
01:06:04,270 --> 01:06:11,250
It's issues that are going to continue to come up in our political climate where it's easy to

750
01:06:11,250 --> 01:06:17,090
count out, where it's easy to bow down, stand up, keep doing what you're doing.

751
01:06:17,690 --> 01:06:23,450
We notice it, we have your back, in case you haven't noticed, this is something we'll help

752
01:06:23,450 --> 01:06:24,250
you fight for.

753
01:06:24,510 --> 01:06:25,310
Thank you.

754
01:06:32,180 --> 01:06:37,860
The next speaker is Anju Gailer, and after Anju will be Carl Cezlek,

755
01:06:43,910 --> 01:06:44,590
next speaker might

756
01:06:44,590 --> 01:06:46,090
be on one of the overflow rooms.

757
01:06:56,060 --> 01:06:59,060
Carl see us like in the room. Okay, you want to go ahead.

758
01:07:11,730 --> 01:07:16,270
Good evening, Mayor Brown in fellow commissioners, neighbors. My name is Carl sees like, and I probably

759
01:07:16,270 --> 01:07:22,170
card called Bargo home for the last 10 years. I'm here tonight, not just the resident.

760
01:07:23,350 --> 01:07:27,710
I saw what he uses the library. He truly values what you provide for this community.

761
01:07:29,170 --> 01:07:29,970
As a member of the...

762
01:07:30,000 --> 01:07:36,220
LGBTQ plus community. And I've been married for 10 years. I want to start by saying thank you for providing

763
01:07:36,220 --> 01:07:45,300
a safe community for me to live, grow and thrive in. It's important to provide that space because

764
01:07:45,300 --> 01:07:55,120
growing up, I did not have that type of space. On 46 years old, and it is an amazing thing to see

765
01:07:55,120 --> 01:08:00,300
how we have grown in and involved in how we treat fellow citizens good and bad.

766
01:08:01,500 --> 01:08:07,240
When I walk into the library, I see a place that uplift young people, families, seniors, and

767
01:08:07,240 --> 01:08:10,140
those who often feel like they've been unseen or unheard.

768
01:08:10,960 --> 01:08:15,340
And honestly, I wish I had that space when I was growing up as a military child, traveling

769
01:08:15,340 --> 01:08:16,200
all across the globe.

770
01:08:17,280 --> 01:08:21,060
I know what it feels like to be a teenager who doesn't see themselves reflected anywhere.

771
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:25,100
That's why this library is so important, not just to me, but to so many as well.

772
01:08:25,100 --> 01:08:26,500
you now have heard in this community.

773
01:08:27,540 --> 01:08:31,580
So I'm disturbed by representing Bernie Jackson's threat to withhold funding from both the

774
01:08:31,580 --> 01:08:39,940
library and the city of Largo, unless you count out to his demands and erase a whole community.

775
01:08:41,440 --> 01:08:44,360
Let's be honest, these tax are not about protecting children.

776
01:08:45,700 --> 01:08:49,340
They're about silencing and erasing people who don't fit in the narrow world view.

777
01:08:53,050 --> 01:08:57,250
Instead of targeting our library, representing their Jack, should be focusing on the real

778
01:08:57,250 --> 01:09:02,590
issues, our community of Largo faces, like that rising housing costs, skyrocketing insurance

779
01:09:02,590 --> 01:09:07,770
premiums, and a need for access to quality public education that serves all children,

780
01:09:08,250 --> 01:09:09,170
not just a select few.

781
01:09:09,890 --> 01:09:13,370
The people of Largo deserve the leadership that solves problems and not creates new ones

782
01:09:13,370 --> 01:09:14,490
for political points.

783
01:09:15,070 --> 01:09:18,550
May or Brown, commissioners, I thank you for your courage to continue to stand up against

784
01:09:18,550 --> 01:09:19,230
this person.

785
01:09:20,650 --> 01:09:24,670
You are on the right side of inclusion, truth, and community, and what you're doing is not

786
01:09:24,670 --> 01:09:27,010
It's just right, but it is also now become very necessary.

787
01:09:28,810 --> 01:09:31,230
What I want you to know is that you are not alone.

788
01:09:31,950 --> 01:09:37,170
You have people behind you who believe in you and what you're doing and they're here to defend you.

789
01:09:37,630 --> 01:09:39,270
Please keep standing strong.

790
01:09:39,550 --> 01:09:42,950
The future of this community and so much more depends on it.

791
01:09:43,310 --> 01:09:44,110
Thank you for your time.

792
01:09:52,820 --> 01:09:58,000
The speaker is Andrew's Wick, and after him will be Michael Channel.

793
01:09:58,900 --> 01:10:00,060
I hope I'm saying that right.

794
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:08,280
It's true as a wick, give him just a minute.

795
01:10:09,220 --> 01:10:10,500
Is Michael in the room?

796
01:10:12,380 --> 01:10:13,740
Do you want to go ahead?

797
01:10:24,780 --> 01:10:25,860
Do I hit a button?

798
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:26,680
I don't like that.

799
01:10:28,060 --> 01:10:28,460
Hello.

800
01:10:30,220 --> 01:10:32,280
I want to start off by saying this is one of my first

801
01:10:32,280 --> 01:10:33,980
time to come into any sort of permission hearing

802
01:10:33,980 --> 01:10:34,840
or meeting.

803
01:10:36,820 --> 01:10:37,620
Hold off.

804
01:10:37,780 --> 01:10:38,280
You don't know yet.

805
01:10:38,440 --> 01:10:38,700
You don't know.

806
01:10:39,140 --> 01:10:45,880
I honestly think it's amazing that

807
01:10:46,420 --> 01:10:51,400
Everybody's coming out and supporting whatever it is that they believe in as strongly believe that

808
01:10:52,360 --> 01:10:57,360
You know as an American citizen everybody should be able to voice what they want how they want it and

809
01:10:57,360 --> 01:11:04,080
They will speak freely so I think it's great to draw out here no matter what you support and I'm also

810
01:11:04,740 --> 01:11:09,580
Gonna say that I support the other side of that which is a

811
01:11:09,580 --> 01:11:13,540
vote I've heard a lot of people here that have been speaking about

812
01:11:14,220 --> 01:11:19,360
People that they love and they care about and how important it is to them that they're protected, represented,

813
01:11:20,200 --> 01:11:25,620
and that they feel safe and included in their community and in their communities of their services,

814
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,380
which I personally think is very important as well.

815
01:11:29,960 --> 01:11:36,260
However, I do think that it is also important to consider the fact that,

816
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:40,680
well,

817
01:11:40,680 --> 01:11:52,660
because I heard about all the hubbub and decided to physically check out what people were saying because it's important to get your news directly from the source.

818
01:11:53,560 --> 01:12:01,140
I looked around for a lot of the indoctrination material and political ideology material that they were reading.

819
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:07,720
I did find some stuff. I wanted to understand why people would find this to be concerning.

820
01:12:08,620 --> 01:12:13,540
I don't think that, and I'm spoken with Bernie Jock about it as well as some other folks

821
01:12:13,540 --> 01:12:14,880
from both sides of the aisle.

822
01:12:15,740 --> 01:12:20,480
And I think everybody here can say that they love the library, they love to read, they

823
01:12:20,480 --> 01:12:24,860
love to learn, and learning is important, I think that's pretty cut and dry.

824
01:12:25,840 --> 01:12:30,440
But I do think that I agree with a lot of what Y'all have said regarding, I think the parents

825
01:12:30,440 --> 01:12:34,300
should be in control of what their children are exposed to.

826
01:12:34,300 --> 01:12:39,640
I don't believe in censorship, but I do believe in protection of young minds, one way or

827
01:12:39,640 --> 01:12:44,120
the other, just the same way that I wouldn't give mind comp to my six-year-old.

828
01:12:44,300 --> 01:12:49,780
You know, I also wouldn't want them to read about various sexual identities or orientations.

829
01:12:50,260 --> 01:12:55,500
Until they were old enough, I think, to understand them without feeling like they are

830
01:12:55,500 --> 01:13:00,680
in need of, you know, seeking approval from any group, one way or the other.

831
01:13:00,680 --> 01:13:05,060
But that's just my opinion and I think that it's really powerful that you're all here

832
01:13:05,060 --> 01:13:09,440
I think that it should be brought to a vote because that's sort of the end all be all and

833
01:13:09,960 --> 01:13:17,520
Yeah, I think that I think that we should decide together on what's important and what we want and I think that if you guys can make that happen

834
01:13:17,520 --> 01:13:19,520
I'll be really cool. Thank you

835
01:13:25,710 --> 01:13:28,650
The last card I have is for Cassidy.

836
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:39,320
Hello, my name is Cassidy.

837
01:13:43,920 --> 01:13:44,360
I

838
01:13:44,360 --> 01:13:55,360
I think that the issue here extends to not just this library but a lot of other libraries as well and this issue is deeply on my heart.

839
01:13:57,740 --> 01:14:10,940
I'm around young people, I'm with them in the university or other contexts and I've found that there is a crisis of identity in our society and that young people are seeking approval.

840
01:14:11,700 --> 01:14:17,800
Often times I think it comes from broken families, my own family is broken, I felt this myself.

841
01:14:19,800 --> 01:14:30,100
And I think that when you have young people, particularly in a society that says that something's wrong with them,

842
01:14:30,460 --> 01:14:40,300
or that perhaps they should consider changing who they are or when they walk into the library and I saw a similar material myself.

843
01:14:40,300 --> 01:14:44,980
I looked into it, I opened it up, and the suggestions that are being made by those

844
01:14:44,980 --> 01:14:52,020
books, to children, books geared toward five-year-olds, is that they should consider

845
01:14:52,020 --> 01:14:59,520
other options, if they should maybe think about loving somebody who's the opposite sex

846
01:14:59,520 --> 01:14:59,980
of them.

847
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:14,360
And are the same sex as them? You know, these aren't topics we talk to our kids about for me sex. We try lightly on it.

848
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:30,740
You're gender, you're orientation. They really shouldn't be in our children's sections. And they really shouldn't be things that we're pushing on our kids. Not only is it.

849
01:15:32,240 --> 01:15:42,580
not appropriate by standards of society, as a Christian, someone who's read my Bible and

850
01:15:42,580 --> 01:15:49,560
believes in the Lord, I read the parts of the Bible that explain that this isn't

851
01:15:49,560 --> 01:15:52,380
godly, it isn't righteous.

852
01:15:54,400 --> 01:15:59,240
And all of you are held to a high standard because you are

853
01:15:59,240 --> 01:16:08,120
people guiding our laws and you have a lot of accountability and as someone who has an opportunity

854
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:14,640
to stand before you and ask for a moment of your ear I'm pleading with you to please consider

855
01:16:14,640 --> 01:16:24,140
this issue please consider what it does to our children not just fact that it may make this

856
01:16:24,140 --> 01:16:34,740
feel good, make everybody feel good, but what is morally correct? What is righteous?

857
01:16:36,080 --> 01:16:39,720
Please stand by that. Thank you all.

858
01:16:40,200 --> 01:16:40,720
Thank you.

859
01:16:46,340 --> 01:16:52,000
That's all the cards that I missed anyone that was here for citizen comment and not for a later agenda item.

860
01:16:55,860 --> 01:16:56,600
That's all cards.

861
01:16:56,940 --> 01:16:58,160
All right. Thank you.

862
01:16:58,160 --> 01:17:05,660
I certainly appreciate the citizens comment, and thank you all for coming out.

863
01:17:05,800 --> 01:17:10,240
Next we'll move to approval of tonight's agenda.

864
01:17:10,620 --> 01:17:14,640
Mr. Mayor, I'd like to recognize members of the jobs assisted here at Benjamin.

865
01:17:15,940 --> 01:17:19,480
He's right back here, so everybody would like to speak to him.

866
01:17:19,520 --> 01:17:24,220
He's here for members of the jobs office, so if you'd like to bend his ear in a lobby and

867
01:17:24,220 --> 01:17:25,800
speak to him, welcome.

868
01:17:26,300 --> 01:17:26,780
Thank you for coming.

869
01:17:26,780 --> 01:17:27,500
Thank you, Commissioner.

870
01:17:27,780 --> 01:17:29,400
We'll take just for a moment.

871
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:31,940
I can hear on behalf of the office.

872
01:17:32,140 --> 01:17:33,900
But I can't speak for the election himself.

873
01:17:34,560 --> 01:17:36,340
I'm referring to the Facebook page.

874
01:17:36,460 --> 01:17:38,520
That's the best way to actually contact and directly.

875
01:17:39,200 --> 01:17:40,800
He is very much responsive.

876
01:17:41,140 --> 01:17:41,720
That's the campaign.

877
01:17:42,540 --> 01:17:45,460
You'll say, in terms of the year tonight, because he has to be tied.

878
01:17:46,500 --> 01:17:47,380
So thank you all.

879
01:17:47,560 --> 01:17:47,680
Thank you very much.

880
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:49,440
Thank you.

881
01:17:49,600 --> 01:17:49,720
Thank you, Benjamin.

882
01:17:49,720 --> 01:17:50,640
Thank you for being here.

883
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:53,600
Move approval.

884
01:17:53,940 --> 01:17:55,220
We pulled number 13.

885
01:17:56,180 --> 01:17:58,020
Number 13, I have a motion.

886
01:17:59,280 --> 01:17:59,520
Second.

887
01:18:00,040 --> 01:18:00,540
And the second.

888
01:18:00,660 --> 01:18:01,740
All in favor say aye.

889
01:18:02,040 --> 01:18:02,180
All right.

890
01:18:02,260 --> 01:18:02,860
Any opposed?

891
01:18:03,660 --> 01:18:05,140
Motion passes seven zero.

892
01:18:05,780 --> 01:18:10,360
Next is consideration of the minutes from the regular meeting of March 1825.

893
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:11,340
Move approval.

894
01:18:11,700 --> 01:18:11,920
Second.

895
01:18:12,940 --> 01:18:14,080
Any changes or corrections?

896
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:15,780
All in favor say aye.

897
01:18:15,780 --> 01:18:16,300
All right.

898
01:18:16,340 --> 01:18:16,980
Any opposed?

899
01:18:17,920 --> 01:18:19,260
Motion passes seven zero.

900
01:18:22,460 --> 01:18:24,000
Next we will have a staff report.

901
01:18:36,980 --> 01:18:39,420
Good evening, Mayor and commissioners.

902
01:18:39,580 --> 01:18:43,720
It's a night where pleased to welcome Erica Waltemire and Stephanie Aides from Collears International.

903
01:18:44,680 --> 01:18:47,740
Erica Stephanie will share insights on the current leasing progress,

904
01:18:48,040 --> 01:18:51,560
market conditions, and provide an overview of the efforts to attract tenants and

905
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:55,160
activate the retail spaces in alignment with our vision for horizonless pay.

906
01:18:55,780 --> 01:18:57,840
And with that, I will turn it over to move with them.

907
01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:00,460
Thank you. Good evening, Mayor Brown, city commission.

908
01:19:01,540 --> 01:19:03,480
I'm just going to provide a quick market update.

909
01:19:03,480 --> 01:19:08,860
According to Kostar.com, the mid-panelist vacancy rate which logo is a part of is currently

910
01:19:08,860 --> 01:19:15,560
at 3.3%. It has been at this rate since the 3rd quarter of last year, and that is compared

911
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:21,840
to 3.2% for the overall Tampa Bay MSI. It's important to note these figures do not reflect

912
01:19:21,840 --> 01:19:27,560
spaces that may be vacant, but still have a least in place. We have seen an uptick in retail

913
01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:32,440
store and restaurant chain closures due to a number of bankruptcies among national chains,

914
01:19:32,440 --> 01:19:36,100
And although we were coming out of a low, excuse me,

915
01:19:36,260 --> 01:19:38,120
sorry, I'm in a backup of a second, my apologies.

916
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:40,660
We have seen an uptick in retail store

917
01:19:40,660 --> 01:19:42,860
and restaurant chain closures due to a number

918
01:19:42,860 --> 01:19:44,620
of bankruptcies among national chains.

919
01:19:45,480 --> 01:19:48,120
Although we are coming out of a low over the past couple of weeks,

920
01:19:48,480 --> 01:19:50,760
due to spring break schedules and related travel,

921
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:53,160
we continue to see an active leasing market overall.

922
01:19:54,020 --> 01:19:55,480
As the project nears completion,

923
01:19:55,820 --> 01:19:58,540
and we approach the ability to physically deliver spaces,

924
01:19:58,740 --> 01:20:00,620
the project is back on the radar of many groups

925
01:20:00,620 --> 01:20:02,060
that we have presented to previously.

926
01:20:03,560 --> 01:20:06,040
The deal timeline continues to be frustratingly

927
01:20:06,040 --> 01:20:06,880
protracted.

928
01:20:07,040 --> 01:20:08,620
There is hesitation in the market,

929
01:20:08,680 --> 01:20:11,400
and as further hindered in many cases by indecisiveness.

930
01:20:12,420 --> 01:20:14,720
However, we are confident that as we approach delivery

931
01:20:14,720 --> 01:20:17,040
of the physical building, timelines for tenants

932
01:20:17,580 --> 01:20:20,340
to open will become clear, paving the way for us

933
01:20:20,340 --> 01:20:22,400
to finish off the leasing of horizon Westway.

934
01:20:22,620 --> 01:20:23,980
And with that, I'll turn it over to Erica

935
01:20:23,980 --> 01:20:25,500
for a brief leasing of date.

936
01:20:25,500 --> 01:20:30,980
So I'm just going to chat about some of the categories that we have that are interested.

937
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:33,060
We'll start with the city hall building.

938
01:20:33,860 --> 01:20:38,960
We did just get a lease sign by the tenant for a fast casual group concept.

939
01:20:39,860 --> 01:20:44,200
I felt like going on the agenda for the next commission meeting for final approval.

940
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:48,820
And then the smaller space next to that we do have some interest.

941
01:20:48,820 --> 01:20:55,320
We do have a couple of offers from a here salon and a couple of some of the like S.I.E.

942
01:20:55,320 --> 01:20:56,380
bull concepts.

943
01:20:57,480 --> 01:21:03,560
We're either aware of the coffee shop, donor shop, that we have signed in the adjacent space

944
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:04,580
that we announced previously.

945
01:21:06,100 --> 01:21:12,160
In the A-Building, we have a lease pending that should be ready for 10 execution by next

946
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:14,680
week with an local ice cream user.

947
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:21,680
It's got quite a few locations in Cannellis County, and then the remaining spaces in that building.

948
01:21:21,840 --> 01:21:27,940
We've been targeting this kind of where Anchor Reshaw has been targeting, so we've got a couple of

949
01:21:27,940 --> 01:21:28,720
Shepter and Reshawants.

950
01:21:28,860 --> 01:21:35,920
We're talking to a sports bar, and then we'll probably also fill in that 2,000 square foot space

951
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:37,020
with a fast casual restaurant.

952
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:38,700
We've had some key serious I've been interested.

953
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:48,820
And then for the public plaza, building near the stage, we do have a proposal out to a brewery,

954
01:21:49,000 --> 01:21:56,560
and we do have a wine bar slash brewery that's also been interested, and then for that last space,

955
01:21:57,580 --> 01:22:02,710
that kind of G-5, she does this for a fist space. We've been targeting and we've been in discussions with a couple of

956
01:22:02,710 --> 01:22:05,530
fitness users, met spawn, listen a lot on this users.

957
01:22:10,580 --> 01:22:12,000
Thank you, any questions?

958
01:22:13,360 --> 01:22:14,020
Mr. Smith.

959
01:22:14,800 --> 01:22:15,640
Thank you for the update.

960
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:17,200
I'm the annoying ass up here.

961
01:22:19,100 --> 01:22:21,060
So I'm looking forward to the leases.

962
01:22:21,900 --> 01:22:23,640
You talked about, I'm a big brewery person.

963
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:26,980
I food, I'm a fat, but large guy.

964
01:22:28,440 --> 01:22:29,280
And I like you're a drug.

965
01:22:29,560 --> 01:22:29,960
Well, not bad.

966
01:22:34,340 --> 01:22:41,060
What outside, okay, set a couple breweries? Are they just the local ones? Are we looking regionally?

967
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:49,320
They're local, so why would be kind of more of a startup? And the other one is more local, a local user that would do another location.

968
01:22:49,860 --> 01:22:54,000
Okay, what kind of restaurants, what could we do different with some of them that we're doing?

969
01:22:54,000 --> 01:23:00,900
This is now that they've brought to our argue when we could do a little differently with them.

970
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:04,720
Meaning when we approach the mix that maybe they've looked at other locations.

971
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:11,460
Has any of them have any of the people interested pulled out because they thought we were difficult?

972
01:23:12,160 --> 01:23:13,700
I just want to know make sure if we're...

973
01:23:13,700 --> 01:23:14,640
Sticklers.

974
01:23:14,720 --> 01:23:20,600
Usually it's a lot of these, you know, we're targeting a lot of users that are looking at this project.

975
01:23:20,600 --> 01:23:27,400
They're smaller, you know, small, they have maybe one or two locations, they're looking to start a location, and a lot of times it's just a capital

976
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:29,200
capital issue for them.

977
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:33,000
Do they really have anything to do with us or the project?

978
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:40,120
Just money can be tough for them to get financing for a lot of these types of projects in general.

979
01:23:40,860 --> 01:23:47,340
So we're trying, you know, we're obviously our focus is on antennas that have money to expand and have capital to build out these phases.

980
01:23:48,060 --> 01:23:52,500
It's just a slow decision making process for a lot of them to get their notice.

981
01:23:54,160 --> 01:24:00,220
A lot of these guys put their whole livelihood into these concepts and it's just, you know,

982
01:24:00,400 --> 01:24:02,820
a lot of whole handing to give them a lot.

983
01:24:03,320 --> 01:24:08,940
Some of the chain restaurants that we've spoken to, they're typically used to a more traditional shopping center setting,

984
01:24:09,100 --> 01:24:10,980
where you have a large parking field on grade.

985
01:24:11,320 --> 01:24:14,500
We have structured parking here, which we have all over Tampa Bay.

986
01:24:14,500 --> 01:24:20,640
there's no reason to be afraid of structure parking, but that is some of the feedback that we've gotten so we're doing our best to overcome that feedback.

987
01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:22,800
What about the location?

988
01:24:23,480 --> 01:24:26,960
Have there any benefit difficulty with the location or...

989
01:24:26,960 --> 01:24:31,420
I think the number one feedback point we get on the location is just that there's...

990
01:24:31,420 --> 01:24:32,580
It's not walkable today.

991
01:24:33,240 --> 01:24:41,540
I know that is the vision for it, and we have shared the point of the four panellist part of things and the plan related to that and the improved,

992
01:24:41,540 --> 01:24:46,600
pedestrian flow, particularly with Largo Central Park, and I think we're getting there with

993
01:24:46,600 --> 01:24:51,080
it, but we are kind of at the beginning stage of place making for this particular corridor,

994
01:24:51,300 --> 01:24:56,080
so I think, you know, as we kind of progress towards this being finished, we'll start to see people

995
01:24:56,080 --> 01:24:59,000
coming on board with that vision and seeing what we're trying to tell them.

996
01:24:59,400 --> 01:25:04,620
Okay, thank you. Thank you, Commissioner Breezy. Thank you, bear with me for a moment.

997
01:25:06,080 --> 01:25:12,500
So, in your work to promote the space, I assume there's web listings, correct?

998
01:25:14,600 --> 01:25:21,950
There's, you have reached out to a network of other realtors that you work with on a regular basis.

999
01:25:22,010 --> 01:25:22,370
Thank you.

1000
01:25:24,110 --> 01:25:28,550
Have there been any, and I don't want to make it sound like that's not valuable work.

1001
01:25:28,830 --> 01:25:34,990
But I also consider that a little bit more passive if you, and I've parted for the terminology that's likely to think of.

1002
01:25:34,990 --> 01:25:44,810
have you what kind of proactive reaching out to other businesses, knowing the profile that

1003
01:25:44,810 --> 01:25:52,170
you've been given to look for targets has happened, if that makes sense, I can elaborate

1004
01:25:52,170 --> 01:25:52,490
for it.

1005
01:25:52,890 --> 01:25:53,710
Yeah, sorry.

1006
01:25:53,990 --> 01:25:54,070
Go ahead.

1007
01:25:54,250 --> 01:25:54,510
Oh, yeah.

1008
01:25:54,690 --> 01:25:56,630
That is what we do.

1009
01:25:57,410 --> 01:26:01,930
Not only with this we'll see that across our portfolio, that's just part of our job.

1010
01:26:01,930 --> 01:26:08,170
So, our phone really doesn't ring, you know, we can't let the sit back and wait for the phone to ring.

1011
01:26:08,630 --> 01:26:13,890
So, we specifically try to focus on categories that are maybe missing from this area of town.

1012
01:26:14,390 --> 01:26:18,810
Other businesses that are in neighboring cities, I could definitely get in or down town.

1013
01:26:18,990 --> 01:26:22,070
Same P, or already doing business in Panellas, because they're already here.

1014
01:26:22,150 --> 01:26:23,130
Do they have another concept?

1015
01:26:23,370 --> 01:26:24,830
They want to expand that concept to the W.

1016
01:26:25,730 --> 01:26:30,830
We definitely are targeting, and we also have other listings where maybe someone,

1017
01:26:30,830 --> 01:26:35,490
If you're a restaurant tour reaches out we can't accommodate them at that particular project

1018
01:26:35,490 --> 01:26:40,230
but we can do a restaurant space here that would be it could be a really good fit for your

1019
01:26:40,230 --> 01:26:40,570
concept.

1020
01:26:40,850 --> 01:26:45,770
So we're really cost we're trying to do the broad scope of cross marketing of other projects

1021
01:26:45,770 --> 01:26:48,850
reaching out to tenant rep broker, reaching out to tenants directly.

1022
01:26:50,830 --> 01:26:55,230
Yeah, and we've done that either by email or I tend to utilize social media pretty frequently.

1023
01:26:55,570 --> 01:26:59,530
They're Instagram or things look to reach out to some of the maybe one or two off concepts.

1024
01:26:59,530 --> 01:27:04,250
But I'm also like, if I'm dining in one of them, I'll ask, you know, who's the owner?

1025
01:27:04,350 --> 01:27:06,870
Can I talk to somebody about who makes decisions regarding real estate?

1026
01:27:07,150 --> 01:27:09,390
So we've been really covering those faces as well.

1027
01:27:09,790 --> 01:27:15,050
Okay, so just to clarify, we're knowing that maybe a brewery, a local brewery, something that we're targeting,

1028
01:27:15,550 --> 01:27:20,690
that we're directly, you're directing, we're reaching out to the different companies that are in the penels area.

1029
01:27:20,950 --> 01:27:24,310
To say, hey, we have a unique opportunity for you, which is something you consider.

1030
01:27:24,650 --> 01:27:25,290
Okay, yes.

1031
01:27:25,290 --> 01:27:31,630
Mr. Smith asked my question about the city's interaction so I won't go there, but the last question is

1032
01:27:31,630 --> 01:27:38,350
knowing, listening to your report and knowing what the city's profile, what they give into you about what types of

1033
01:27:39,530 --> 01:27:47,930
establishments they want to be able to see in horizon and you're reporting that that's a difficult area right now.

1034
01:27:48,970 --> 01:27:53,270
Have you approached the city about changing their profile, what types of services they want?

1035
01:27:53,270 --> 01:27:55,530
What types of establishments they want to be able to have in her eyes?

1036
01:27:57,290 --> 01:27:58,570
You know, we don't know.

1037
01:27:58,610 --> 01:28:04,440
We were kind of heavy on the restaurants, and I think that's fine, because that is one of the most active categories out there.

1038
01:28:05,230 --> 01:28:10,710
You know, restaurants are usually actively expanding, so we have no problem with that trying to attract those.

1039
01:28:11,070 --> 01:28:12,430
That's kind of a number one sector.

1040
01:28:13,030 --> 01:28:18,210
Now, what kind of go after some of those other youths are like who fitness is really active and pop.

1041
01:28:18,210 --> 01:28:26,950
But we have had some like inbound leads that have been like we've had a dental clinic or like an eye clinic and we have presented those in our regular leasing meetings

1042
01:28:26,950 --> 01:28:31,190
So we you know, we're not going to make that decision for you guys if there's been some sort of a change

1043
01:28:31,190 --> 01:28:35,970
We're still going to present that interest and then like you guys decide if you want to entertain it or not

1044
01:28:35,970 --> 01:28:41,390
Pat some bank interest, but yeah, we're we're gonna present everything. Yeah, we're not going to make that decision for you

1045
01:28:42,550 --> 01:28:44,530
Okay, thank you space. Oh, no, yeah

1046
01:28:45,790 --> 01:28:47,090
Thank you. Who's your hole?

1047
01:28:47,090 --> 01:28:57,450
So, I just want to insert real quickly here that I don't consider dentists or the other thing that you said as part of entertainment district.

1048
01:28:57,630 --> 01:28:59,050
We have a degree at NASA.

1049
01:29:00,410 --> 01:29:02,630
I have a degree for this area.

1050
01:29:02,850 --> 01:29:02,950
Sure.

1051
01:29:03,290 --> 01:29:04,490
Just wanted to put that out there.

1052
01:29:04,850 --> 01:29:07,190
Yeah, we agree, but we want to present it just in case.

1053
01:29:07,730 --> 01:29:08,450
We never know.

1054
01:29:09,270 --> 01:29:16,910
What we don't want to have happened is we didn't present the interest to you and then somehow it comes to you that they approached us and we did not share that interest with you.

1055
01:29:16,910 --> 01:29:22,120
Okay, but yeah, I'm a big no-one that went thank you

1056
01:29:24,070 --> 01:29:26,370
Any other questions?

1057
01:29:27,770 --> 01:29:29,490
I had a poll.

1058
01:29:29,750 --> 01:29:32,290
In case there were going to be questions about the actual agenda,

1059
01:29:32,530 --> 01:29:36,650
and I can ask staff a time we bring around the poll for the end or the window.

1060
01:29:38,070 --> 01:29:40,040
Yeah, we can, I think if,

1061
01:29:41,050 --> 01:29:43,490
Mr. Zemis looking at me like I'm about to say something wrong.

1062
01:29:44,510 --> 01:29:52,510
But I think that since the folks are up here and if you've got some questions that are more related to another issue as long as they're related to the real estate.

1063
01:29:52,510 --> 01:29:54,770
I think it could be a change of emotion based or change of the plan.

1064
01:29:55,010 --> 01:29:58,770
So I can ask them, I can ask them, I can ask them when it comes up formally or do it.

1065
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:03,340
So, we'll get back to it when we're over there. So, take a round for a few minutes.

1066
01:30:03,800 --> 01:30:08,060
Yeah. Any other questions? I'll entertain a motion. I'm 13.

1067
01:30:09,640 --> 01:30:09,760
Okay.

1068
01:30:10,520 --> 01:30:10,960
Thank you.

1069
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:11,200
I'll be there.

1070
01:30:12,280 --> 01:30:13,440
This is just the presentation.

1071
01:30:13,500 --> 01:30:13,700
Thank you.

1072
01:30:15,300 --> 01:30:15,880
You're right.

1073
01:30:17,240 --> 01:30:17,520
Thank you.

1074
01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:18,780
Thank you.

1075
01:30:18,780 --> 01:30:19,020
Yes.

1076
01:30:19,340 --> 01:30:20,100
That's why I love it.

1077
01:30:20,240 --> 01:30:24,060
So, the next thing is 13 shortly.

1078
01:30:25,220 --> 01:30:28,080
So, we'll see in a few about three minutes.

1079
01:30:29,700 --> 01:30:30,820
Thank you.

1080
01:30:30,820 --> 01:30:32,080
Thank you.

1081
01:30:32,660 --> 01:30:33,040
Good afternoon.

1082
01:30:33,040 --> 01:30:34,380
Here's a consent document.

1083
01:30:35,260 --> 01:30:38,040
Item 8, appointment of Commissioner Michael Smith is the city of

1084
01:30:38,040 --> 01:30:40,100
Largo's representative and voting delegate to the

1085
01:30:40,100 --> 01:30:41,280
Sancos League of cities.

1086
01:30:41,800 --> 01:30:46,420
Item 9, resolution number 2433, renaming AMTC Center Drive to

1087
01:30:46,420 --> 01:30:47,260
Bear Dent Drive.

1088
01:30:47,900 --> 01:30:51,160
Item 10, resolution number 2434, authorizing a grant

1089
01:30:51,160 --> 01:30:53,160
application to the border hurricane loss

1090
01:30:53,160 --> 01:30:57,040
for a grant in a amount up to $250,000.

1091
01:30:57,640 --> 01:31:00,340
On a 11 approval of the city furniture platform,

1092
01:31:00,820 --> 01:31:03,700
item 12, authorization to enter into a software agreement

1093
01:31:03,700 --> 01:31:06,220
with environmental systems research institute,

1094
01:31:06,780 --> 01:31:10,880
parentheses as rate for this small local government enterprise license,

1095
01:31:11,160 --> 01:31:16,310
parentheses ELA for $181,000 subscription training for $36,000,

1096
01:31:17,260 --> 01:31:23,000
ArcGIS hub for $15,000 and $45,000 contingency funds for three years.

1097
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:30,880
An 14 authorization to spend an amount not to exceed 105,000 dollars utilizing continuing services contract RFP

1098
01:31:30,880 --> 01:31:38,040
number 22-p-762 citywide roofing preventative maintenance awarded to advance proofing and corporate it.

1099
01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:45,220
An 15 authorization to purchase mobile standby power generator system for fire station 38 from ring power corporation

1100
01:31:45,220 --> 01:31:53,600
and the amount of $161,461,400 $8 in accordance with source wall contact number 092222-CAT.

1101
01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:59,500
Item 16 approval of scope and fee with advanced engineering and design for the design of the Allen's

1102
01:31:59,500 --> 01:32:09,280
Creep Best Management Practices Project in accordance with RFP number 24-Q-798 in the estimated amount of $395,635.

1103
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:16,140
At him 17, authorization approaches 3-4 replacement vehicles for the recreation parks and arts department from

1104
01:32:16,140 --> 01:32:23,260
devout board in the estimate amount of 161,482 dollars in accordance with the Florida Sheriff's Association

1105
01:32:23,260 --> 01:32:32,140
contract number FSA24-VEL32.0. At him 18, authorization approaches 2-4 transit 15 passenger

1106
01:32:32,140 --> 01:32:37,200
for the recreation parks and arts department from devout court in the estimated amount of

1107
01:32:37,200 --> 01:32:42,920
113,810 dollars and 48 cents in accordance with the Bradford County Sheriff's Association

1108
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:47,040
contract 22-27-1.0.

1109
01:32:47,600 --> 01:32:49,760
Thank you for the consent document. I'll entertain a motion.

1110
01:32:50,140 --> 01:32:52,460
I moved to approve the consent document without commission discussion,

1111
01:32:52,620 --> 01:32:54,720
including staff background providing the commission packets.

1112
01:32:55,680 --> 01:32:58,020
I have a motion in a second. All in favor say aye.

1113
01:32:58,660 --> 01:32:59,280
Any opposed?

1114
01:32:59,280 --> 01:33:05,780
motion passes 70, and number 13, Mr. Brzee.

1115
01:33:06,720 --> 01:33:07,440
Come back up.

1116
01:33:14,770 --> 01:33:21,930
Can you tell me that's hard to predict this, but this is, we're proposing to go extend

1117
01:33:21,930 --> 01:33:25,270
for a year, and I want to consider extending for a shorter period of time.

1118
01:33:26,610 --> 01:33:31,730
But I wanted to get your thoughts about any ramifications that make, or I don't.

1119
01:33:31,730 --> 01:33:36,850
I don't know how everybody else feels, but you know, we are getting closer to opening.

1120
01:33:38,670 --> 01:33:40,950
And this is a significant investment by the community.

1121
01:33:42,130 --> 01:33:48,870
And in the city, and we're going to have some vacant space in her eyes, and then I don't

1122
01:33:48,870 --> 01:33:49,530
doubt that.

1123
01:33:49,530 --> 01:33:53,570
Colliers have worked diligently and very hard, but I don't think we reached the level of success

1124
01:33:53,570 --> 01:33:54,590
that was been expected.

1125
01:33:55,950 --> 01:34:01,690
So I made proposed, depending on your feedback, that we proposed for six months, nine

1126
01:34:01,690 --> 01:34:05,130
the most and I wanted to get your thoughts up that. What they made you to commit to will be

1127
01:34:05,130 --> 01:34:09,470
certainly have to call your staff and try them as well but I just wanted to get your thoughts

1128
01:34:09,470 --> 01:34:15,710
on that. Sure. Thank you for the question. So, you know, we have thought about both, you know,

1129
01:34:15,770 --> 01:34:23,010
whether you went shorter, longer than 12 months shorter, but in my opinion, I think it doesn't

1130
01:34:23,010 --> 01:34:28,910
do us any benefit by going shorter. If we look at kind of the typical least time plane that

1131
01:34:28,910 --> 01:34:34,090
we've worked through, I think it's going to at least take us another year to get fully least

1132
01:34:34,090 --> 01:34:34,250
out.

1133
01:34:34,390 --> 01:34:35,030
I hope it's shorter.

1134
01:34:35,090 --> 01:34:35,910
I hope I'm wrong.

1135
01:34:36,070 --> 01:34:40,750
I really do, but I just think that the way it's gone so far and just the way the economy

1136
01:34:40,750 --> 01:34:44,550
has been going, I think it's going to take us a year and I just didn't want to come back here

1137
01:34:44,550 --> 01:34:48,870
if we did a six month extension and then come back in front of you again and go for another

1138
01:34:48,870 --> 01:34:49,370
six months.

1139
01:34:49,530 --> 01:34:55,630
And if that's what you want, then we can do that, but I just figured whether we give

1140
01:34:55,630 --> 01:35:00,950
12 months or in their original contract we can extend up for another term of five years.

1141
01:35:01,090 --> 01:35:04,950
The remaining details of the contract remain the same so that the amount of money that

1142
01:35:04,950 --> 01:35:08,830
we're going to pay them the percentage everything stays the same, so it doesn't cost

1143
01:35:08,830 --> 01:35:12,150
this any additional money to extend it.

1144
01:35:12,390 --> 01:35:16,310
Yeah, I didn't think it was a financial issue, it was just a matter of, and again, all

1145
01:35:16,310 --> 01:35:22,770
due to spectacolors, how long we work with a partner in that, we may not be getting a result

1146
01:35:22,770 --> 01:35:26,850
that we hope for. Sure. And you know, we even, it's like, if you look at the other

1147
01:35:26,850 --> 01:35:30,470
extreme, if we, if we didn't redo it, I think it's detrimental to the project, if we

1148
01:35:31,470 --> 01:35:36,690
weren't to continue this relationship. So I think by the time we were to, if we didn't

1149
01:35:36,690 --> 01:35:41,050
extend it, it ends this May. We would have to go through another RFP and find another

1150
01:35:41,050 --> 01:35:45,390
broker and then remark at the property. I just don't think it's in the best interest

1151
01:35:45,390 --> 01:35:47,890
that the project. Okay. Thank you.

1152
01:35:47,890 --> 01:35:50,550
Go on. Thank you, Assistant. See you in the depot.

1153
01:35:51,030 --> 01:35:59,350
Commissioner DeBreeze, I'd also like to add that today we heard several of the different types of businesses that call yours as reached out to.

1154
01:35:59,770 --> 01:36:07,910
At the meetings that we have with them every couple weeks, the list is, you know, 60 plus 70 plus it's growing all of the time.

1155
01:36:07,910 --> 01:36:12,250
So just because we haven't heard from everything today,

1156
01:36:12,710 --> 01:36:15,390
I can assure you in those meetings that they are doing,

1157
01:36:15,610 --> 01:36:17,930
the best that they possibly can to lease these spaces.

1158
01:36:18,050 --> 01:36:19,990
And I would also agree with Charles

1159
01:36:20,830 --> 01:36:23,270
that extending for a year would be in the best interest

1160
01:36:23,270 --> 01:36:23,850
of the city.

1161
01:36:24,410 --> 01:36:27,330
Yeah, I've no doubt about the staff's commitment

1162
01:36:27,330 --> 01:36:28,790
and part of work in this end.

1163
01:36:29,650 --> 01:36:32,870
And based on your feedback, I can be okay with a year,

1164
01:36:33,150 --> 01:36:34,870
but I just wanted to express my concern

1165
01:36:36,510 --> 01:36:41,290
that's, you know, we keep, you know, we, we say we're going to have a place to open

1166
01:36:41,290 --> 01:36:46,590
a site that most likely not going to be close to full, and you know, I think, you know,

1167
01:36:46,690 --> 01:36:49,430
we're going to the feedback we're going to get about that is it's important for them to

1168
01:36:49,430 --> 01:36:50,010
see different folks.

1169
01:36:50,490 --> 01:36:52,950
And if they wanted it full, we wanted entertainment to straighten that, they could stand

1170
01:36:52,950 --> 01:36:53,710
in the hindering as well.

1171
01:36:54,930 --> 01:36:57,990
But I trust the staff and I trust your, your feedback.

1172
01:36:58,450 --> 01:37:03,230
And I know that you all hold collars accountable to make sure that we get what we are expecting

1173
01:37:03,230 --> 01:37:03,650
from them.

1174
01:37:03,650 --> 01:37:06,110
Thank you. Thank you.

1175
01:37:06,110 --> 01:37:06,390
Thank you.

1176
01:37:06,390 --> 01:37:10,570
I have a question about kind of the format of our agreement with Collears.

1177
01:37:11,570 --> 01:37:18,470
When we started this quite a while ago, before Collears was on board, we were pretty clear about.

1178
01:37:19,010 --> 01:37:22,670
We want businesses to command and be successful and we want a certain type of business.

1179
01:37:23,490 --> 01:37:29,970
And I think that the type of agreement that we have with these folks is based on.

1180
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:41,780
On revenue. So they're motivated to get a high rent. And for most people, for most landlords, that's probably their primary focus.

1181
01:37:42,540 --> 01:37:50,420
I don't think it is our primary focus to get the highest rent possible for the site. We want active businesses. We want successful businesses.

1182
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:55,860
And they may not be in the position to pay the most out of the gate or whatever.

1183
01:37:55,860 --> 01:38:12,200
So I don't know who could answer this question, but how much of a hindrance do you think the motivation of getting high rent because their revenue is based on that number has been to filling these spaces with desirable places?

1184
01:38:13,620 --> 01:38:15,680
Sure. So we've had that conversation.

1185
01:38:15,680 --> 01:38:27,580
You know, and I talked to both step in the Iraqi directly about that, and I told them, you know, more specifically as of the late, that we're okay with producing it, if that's what it takes for us to get the best tenants.

1186
01:38:29,020 --> 01:38:45,660
And I've told them, you know, we want to create this vibrant entertainment district and our main business is not in the business of being a landlord and correct in rent. Obviously it's in our best interest to get money and make some money for whatever we do spend on the tenant improvements.

1187
01:38:45,660 --> 01:38:50,640
that we do put into it, but if producing rinse, then we'll reduce them.

1188
01:38:50,660 --> 01:38:54,960
I might have told them, make that very clear, if that's what it takes, that's what it takes.

1189
01:38:56,220 --> 01:39:04,620
All right, and so, do you think it's got us to where we are now, where we've got one or two

1190
01:39:04,620 --> 01:39:11,360
to least assigned, and we've got a long list, or not, to Commissioner de Breeze's point, we're

1191
01:39:11,360 --> 01:39:13,200
not quite where we would hope to be.

1192
01:39:13,200 --> 01:39:20,180
We're not, but we do actively compare the rents of other comparable properties in the area, and we're in line.

1193
01:39:21,140 --> 01:39:25,220
And sometimes we might be a bit higher, but we are a brand new space.

1194
01:39:25,340 --> 01:39:27,300
We're not second-gen space, everything's brand new.

1195
01:39:27,960 --> 01:39:31,880
So, but for the most part, we're in line with rents per square foot around the area.

1196
01:39:33,040 --> 01:39:34,580
Well, you guys think that's been a stumbling?

1197
01:39:35,440 --> 01:39:39,180
It really hasn't been, and I will say sorry, I didn't.

1198
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:46,580
We're not going to let them run again the way of bringing in a qualified 10 that you guys are all going to be happy with it.

1199
01:39:46,840 --> 01:39:51,180
So they also need to be obviously financially stable to be able to build out a space, too.

1200
01:39:51,300 --> 01:39:54,500
We have some money or they can save a lot of business in six months.

1201
01:39:55,400 --> 01:39:59,160
But we don't feel we actually feel we're kind of on the lower side.

1202
01:39:59,840 --> 01:40:04,060
I think compared to other new construction projects that, you know, I mean that's what this is.

1203
01:40:04,240 --> 01:40:07,280
It's a new construction delivery where I think far lower than the market.

1204
01:40:07,280 --> 01:40:11,500
And most new construction projects are 100% least prior delivery.

1205
01:40:12,960 --> 01:40:17,420
And a lot of the new construction is in areas where there's a lot of stuff happening.

1206
01:40:17,800 --> 01:40:18,500
Yeah, I mean.

1207
01:40:18,500 --> 01:40:21,980
All right, I mean, it's the third new construction in that block.

1208
01:40:22,380 --> 01:40:27,460
Right. So in this area, we've had a couple of apartments complexes come up.

1209
01:40:27,820 --> 01:40:31,500
And a couple of town hall projects, once complete,

1210
01:40:31,700 --> 01:40:33,600
and some others are being started soon.

1211
01:40:34,480 --> 01:40:39,540
And it's moving in a great direction, but I, I mean, I can see the hesitancy on, on

1212
01:40:39,540 --> 01:40:45,500
restaurant tours, but the same point is 65 feet above sea level on a mile away from the beach,

1213
01:40:46,620 --> 01:40:50,660
So, so we've got a good product to sell and a lot of money around us.

1214
01:40:50,880 --> 01:40:55,360
And we're just going to capitalize off that bill there, either too, bill there and comes

1215
01:40:55,360 --> 01:40:58,220
over there, so that's kind of a excellent point for us too.

1216
01:40:58,760 --> 01:40:59,760
Thank you, Mr. Kirk.

1217
01:40:59,760 --> 01:41:05,200
Yeah, I might add a critical point in the construction process where we don't want to

1218
01:41:05,860 --> 01:41:09,320
essentially present a building that's not finished, so we'll probably looking at making

1219
01:41:09,320 --> 01:41:15,960
investment into building out the space internally in anticipation of tenants, and that's a

1220
01:41:15,960 --> 01:41:22,320
challenge for the type of tenant we're looking for to move into a new build space that isn't

1221
01:41:22,320 --> 01:41:27,460
and we'll call it the mailbox that is kind of the term of art we've been using.

1222
01:41:28,780 --> 01:41:35,240
So we're working at how we separate the completion of the project from creating different permits

1223
01:41:35,240 --> 01:41:40,940
and creating that process so we can get other other construction companies and build out that vanilla box space.

1224
01:41:41,160 --> 01:41:44,640
So we can be prepared for tenants that are looking for something that's a little more developed.

1225
01:41:45,140 --> 01:41:52,080
So we're not competing with a stat, you know, established other developments in the area

1226
01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:55,560
that already people just happen to move in and take over a kitchen that's already there

1227
01:41:55,560 --> 01:41:59,500
and take over a bar that's already built out.

1228
01:41:59,800 --> 01:42:02,760
So we're going to be making that decision soon about how we make investment.

1229
01:42:03,740 --> 01:42:03,820
All right.

1230
01:42:03,920 --> 01:42:04,860
Thank you.

1231
01:42:06,950 --> 01:42:07,530
Other questions?

1232
01:42:09,510 --> 01:42:09,810
Motion.

1233
01:42:10,450 --> 01:42:13,930
I moved to approve extension of agreement for landlord representation services

1234
01:42:13,930 --> 01:42:17,010
between the City of Largo at Collears International Florida LLC.

1235
01:42:18,730 --> 01:42:18,970
Second.

1236
01:42:19,490 --> 01:42:20,230
I have a motion.

1237
01:42:20,230 --> 01:42:22,050
in the second hall in favor of say aye.

1238
01:42:22,050 --> 01:42:22,330
Aye.

1239
01:42:22,590 --> 01:42:23,250
Any opposed?

1240
01:42:24,070 --> 01:42:25,010
Motion passes 70.

1241
01:42:25,250 --> 01:42:25,770
Thank you.

1242
01:42:25,870 --> 01:42:26,210
Thank you.

1243
01:42:26,370 --> 01:42:26,790
Thank you.

1244
01:42:28,750 --> 01:42:30,030
I don't remember our 19.

1245
01:42:37,790 --> 01:42:39,270
Good evening, Mayor and commissioners.

1246
01:42:39,410 --> 01:42:43,350
The purpose of this hearing is to receive public comment and answer questions about phase

1247
01:42:43,350 --> 01:42:45,190
3 of the Largo Police Department.

1248
01:42:45,390 --> 01:42:47,390
Michael Project as required by the F.I.

1249
01:42:47,410 --> 01:42:50,690
24 Edward Burn Memorial Justice Assistance Grant.

1250
01:42:50,930 --> 01:42:52,210
And would be happy to answer any questions.

1251
01:42:54,490 --> 01:42:54,810
Thank you.

1252
01:42:54,850 --> 01:42:55,850
Do we have any cards on this?

1253
01:42:55,850 --> 01:42:56,630
We have no cards.

1254
01:42:57,030 --> 01:42:57,570
Any questions?

1255
01:43:00,060 --> 01:43:00,680
Commissioner Smith.

1256
01:43:01,100 --> 01:43:02,040
So please one in two.

1257
01:43:02,200 --> 01:43:02,820
How's it working out?

1258
01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:03,620
I'm assuming good.

1259
01:43:03,780 --> 01:43:04,740
If it weren't very so.

1260
01:43:04,880 --> 01:43:05,340
Yes sir.

1261
01:43:05,420 --> 01:43:06,120
It's working out perfectly.

1262
01:43:06,500 --> 01:43:08,480
In the force everybody's okay with them?

1263
01:43:08,720 --> 01:43:09,300
Yes sir.

1264
01:43:10,460 --> 01:43:11,100
Any concerns?

1265
01:43:11,780 --> 01:43:12,560
Uh, none.

1266
01:43:12,980 --> 01:43:13,260
At this time.

1267
01:43:13,680 --> 01:43:14,620
They don't have any concerns.

1268
01:43:16,620 --> 01:43:17,020
Don't.

1269
01:43:17,640 --> 01:43:18,700
Don't hear that very well.

1270
01:43:18,920 --> 01:43:19,300
I'm the president.

1271
01:43:20,020 --> 01:43:20,220
All right.

1272
01:43:20,380 --> 01:43:21,180
Thank you.

1273
01:43:21,380 --> 01:43:22,060
Oh shoot.

1274
01:43:23,120 --> 01:43:23,800
I know the questions.

1275
01:43:33,840 --> 01:43:35,540
Thank you, thank you very much.

1276
01:43:55,300 --> 01:43:56,380
Good evening, Mr. Mayor.

1277
01:43:56,680 --> 01:43:57,700
Members of the City Commission.

1278
01:43:58,720 --> 01:44:01,120
So generally, our main disagreements that come from our department

1279
01:44:01,120 --> 01:44:04,680
go on our resolve through the consent document,

1280
01:44:04,920 --> 01:44:07,880
but we wanted to accompany this particular one with a presentation

1281
01:44:07,880 --> 01:44:12,520
doing due to it being slightly a typical from our usual maintenance agreements related to

1282
01:44:12,520 --> 01:44:16,620
landscaping. So to talk first about the

1283
01:44:23,530 --> 01:44:25,980
technology and the technology in the

1284
01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:29,880
any way,

1285
01:44:37,820 --> 01:44:41,800
usually we'll work on your stop on. Yeah, I think there's a remote

1286
01:44:53,300 --> 01:44:53,940
Yeah,

1287
01:44:58,290 --> 01:44:59,970
the time being I do have

1288
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:05,960
So, the a lot of the visuals are in near agenda packet. So, except you might have a backup again.

1289
01:45:16,280 --> 01:45:19,280
There we go. Sorry about that. Thank you.

1290
01:45:19,520 --> 01:45:33,760
So, starting off about the actual project subject to this item, the first, talking about the subject property. It's located at 101st Avenue southwest, located at the intersection of 1st street southwest and 1st Avenue southwest.

1291
01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:38,860
Some approximately 0.32 acre parcel located in the West Bay Drive for community redevelopment

1292
01:45:38,860 --> 01:45:43,660
district in the mixed use corridor and was originally developed as a dance studio in 2019

1293
01:45:43,660 --> 01:45:46,960
currently occupied by the West Florida Dance Academy.

1294
01:45:50,730 --> 01:45:55,710
The other party to this proposed agreement is located at 140 first avenue southwest.

1295
01:45:55,810 --> 01:45:56,970
This is official address.

1296
01:45:57,490 --> 01:46:06,430
It's just under half an acre parcel of land and it's currently and it's owned by the city of

1297
01:46:06,430 --> 01:46:12,290
have this a unique shape of this city property in relation to the subject site that creates

1298
01:46:12,290 --> 01:46:17,590
a barrier in between the subject site and West Bay Drive. So actually looking at the visuals

1299
01:46:17,590 --> 01:46:21,530
on that, there's going to be another map showing the area later in the presentation.

1300
01:46:21,790 --> 01:46:28,330
But looking at the city property, it's on the west side there of the block that's currently

1301
01:46:28,330 --> 01:46:32,830
a public parking lot, but then you see it also wraps around creating a barrier but preventing

1302
01:46:32,830 --> 01:46:36,230
the subject site from having frontage directly onto West Bay Drive.

1303
01:46:39,850 --> 01:46:43,650
So the actual proposal subject to this agreement is for the placement of a monument

1304
01:46:43,650 --> 01:46:48,830
style sign on the northeastern portion of the city on parcel, which was referenced in the map

1305
01:46:48,830 --> 01:46:49,790
on the previous slide.

1306
01:46:50,050 --> 01:46:53,910
In order to allow the current dance studio to actually advertise their business to patrons

1307
01:46:53,910 --> 01:46:58,850
going up and down West Bay Drive, the proposed sign itself is would be eight feet tall.

1308
01:46:58,850 --> 01:47:07,030
The proximity of 55 foot square foot electronic face and the subject of this item would be that

1309
01:47:07,030 --> 01:47:12,190
West Florida property investors LSE the owner of the subject site would enter into a maintenance

1310
01:47:12,190 --> 01:47:17,850
agreement in order to assume responsibility for the installation maintenance and any cost associated

1311
01:47:17,850 --> 01:47:24,270
with the proposed signage to be located on city property. It should be noticed that they would also assume

1312
01:47:24,270 --> 01:47:29,190
ability in relation to the sign for any incidents that may occur to the sign on city property

1313
01:47:29,190 --> 01:47:35,030
and the applicant and property owners also aware that the sign could potentially be required

1314
01:47:35,030 --> 01:47:40,090
to temporarily removed in the event that any of the utilities that run through the city parcel

1315
01:47:40,090 --> 01:47:46,710
do need to be maintained and while the base of the sign is proposed to extend about two feet below

1316
01:47:46,710 --> 01:47:51,410
the ground it wouldn't impact any of those existing utilities and we did feel check that with

1317
01:47:51,410 --> 01:47:56,090
of our engineering team during this process of putting this agreement together.

1318
01:47:57,730 --> 01:48:03,450
And once, if and when, if approved by you tonight, the sign would still as any other sign

1319
01:48:03,450 --> 01:48:07,770
in the city be required to attain all necessary permits with the building with the city of

1320
01:48:07,770 --> 01:48:12,570
Largo's building division and meet all other requirements outlined in the comprehensive

1321
01:48:12,570 --> 01:48:14,510
development code related to signage.

1322
01:48:17,780 --> 01:48:22,320
So here's just another visual you can see the general shape of the property.

1323
01:48:22,320 --> 01:48:26,620
will get a better image in the next slide, but that would be the general location of where

1324
01:48:26,620 --> 01:48:31,220
the sign would be proposed to be and the general specifications of the actual sign itself

1325
01:48:31,220 --> 01:48:32,060
there on the left.

1326
01:48:36,960 --> 01:48:41,460
So you can see here a little clear. When originally developed the dance

1327
01:48:41,460 --> 01:48:46,540
studio building was built essentially to the extent of its northern property line, which is the

1328
01:48:46,540 --> 01:48:52,820
southern property line that it shares with the city of Largo property. Due to this, a barrier is

1329
01:48:52,820 --> 01:48:58,380
created in which the Dan Studio does contain insufficient space to place a monument style sign,

1330
01:48:58,580 --> 01:49:02,640
advertising their business that is easily available from West Bay Drive and just looking

1331
01:49:02,640 --> 01:49:03,460
at the other front.

1332
01:49:03,500 --> 01:49:09,420
As you can see, to the east along First Street, Southwest, there's very few places in which

1333
01:49:09,420 --> 01:49:14,520
a sign could be reasonably placed that wouldn't either be hit by the building or just be placed

1334
01:49:14,520 --> 01:49:19,480
at an odd angle to minimize visibility from surrounding vehicle travel.

1335
01:49:22,340 --> 01:49:26,980
Additionally, the lack of visibility is also exacerbated by the presence of existing vegetation,

1336
01:49:27,220 --> 01:49:33,960
very nice vegetation up and down West Bay Drive, and right to the north of this site is also a large overhead

1337
01:49:34,960 --> 01:49:41,420
directional sign that further creates a barrier between the building and the public right of way.

1338
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:46,340
Due to the unique, based on the extenuating circumstances faced by the dance studio property,

1339
01:49:46,340 --> 01:50:08,520
The community development department finds merit and supports the applicant's request to install and provide maintenance of a monument style sign on the city of Largo and property located at 140 first avenue south west in order to advertise their business and do recommend approval of the presented maintenance agreement and just before staff opens up for questions there is one more visual that I want to present.

1340
01:50:08,520 --> 01:50:10,440
You'll have to forgive my work on this one.

1341
01:50:10,660 --> 01:50:18,080
But generally that red line you see there is the rough area of where the actual property line is that it shares with the city property.

1342
01:50:19,100 --> 01:50:24,480
And there is actually a wall sign kind of engraved into the front of that building.

1343
01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:29,000
But you can see it's very difficult to actually see and unless you're right on top of the building.

1344
01:50:29,000 --> 01:50:32,640
It's very hard to actually know what's there unless you know what to look for.

1345
01:50:33,480 --> 01:50:37,880
So with that, that concludes the presentation and staff is open for questions. Thank you all.

1346
01:50:39,440 --> 01:50:40,000
Thank you.

1347
01:50:40,120 --> 01:50:41,100
Do we have any cards on this?

1348
01:50:41,200 --> 01:50:42,020
We have no cards.

1349
01:50:42,760 --> 01:50:43,080
Thank you.

1350
01:50:43,320 --> 01:50:44,080
Commissioner DeBreezy.

1351
01:50:44,420 --> 01:50:45,040
Thank you.

1352
01:50:45,420 --> 01:50:46,660
Just kind of curious.

1353
01:50:46,900 --> 01:50:48,520
Eight foot tall signs of big sign.

1354
01:50:49,840 --> 01:50:53,840
I know those rules regarding signs of building signs of property and so forth.

1355
01:50:54,700 --> 01:50:56,440
That allows for what the type of sign is.

1356
01:50:56,760 --> 01:50:57,260
Are we?

1357
01:50:57,620 --> 01:51:01,920
Is that sign in compliance with that or is a sign even above and beyond?

1358
01:51:02,200 --> 01:51:04,720
What would normally, if it was allowed there in the first place, it would be there.

1359
01:51:04,720 --> 01:51:08,980
So, there are certain circumstances, depending if it's like part of a very large shopping

1360
01:51:08,980 --> 01:51:15,480
plaza, signage along US-19, but general, the general city-wide standard for a commercial

1361
01:51:15,480 --> 01:51:19,700
non-residential sign is eight feet, so they are well within what the comprehensive development

1362
01:51:19,700 --> 01:51:20,260
code allows.

1363
01:51:20,920 --> 01:51:21,960
Thank you.

1364
01:51:22,520 --> 01:51:27,580
Along those lines, so there's a space allowed and a West Bay drive district that's different,

1365
01:51:28,060 --> 01:51:31,580
and we've looked at that, and I assume that we're applying the space that's allowed

1366
01:51:31,580 --> 01:51:34,280
by right, they're on too, pretty big roads,

1367
01:51:34,860 --> 01:51:37,600
so they have a pretty decent size space allowed.

1368
01:51:38,140 --> 01:51:40,020
So even though it's all sight, it's being treated

1369
01:51:40,020 --> 01:51:42,280
like an onsite sign from that perspective.

1370
01:51:42,480 --> 01:51:43,000
That's correct.

1371
01:51:43,520 --> 01:51:45,680
It's kind of unique in the downtown in the community

1372
01:51:45,680 --> 01:51:46,520
redevelopment districts.

1373
01:51:46,740 --> 01:51:48,140
We actually base the square footage.

1374
01:51:48,660 --> 01:51:50,860
Not so on the front edge of the building itself

1375
01:51:50,860 --> 01:51:54,380
on the roadways, but yes, as part of the agreement,

1376
01:51:55,000 --> 01:51:57,500
there would be no additional bonus area provided

1377
01:51:57,500 --> 01:51:58,180
for the signage.

1378
01:51:58,200 --> 01:52:00,400
It would follow the full standards of the development code.

1379
01:52:00,400 --> 01:52:02,280
Okay, good, Commissioner Holmes.

1380
01:52:02,680 --> 01:52:03,860
Thank you.

1381
01:52:04,960 --> 01:52:07,380
This is going to be on city property, correct?

1382
01:52:07,600 --> 01:52:08,000
Yes, Commissioner.

1383
01:52:08,300 --> 01:52:09,700
It's going to be on city side.

1384
01:52:10,420 --> 01:52:18,200
It's going to be the responsibility in the cost of the sign are going to be incurred by the property owner of the dance studio.

1385
01:52:18,340 --> 01:52:19,920
It's going to be on our property.

1386
01:52:20,780 --> 01:52:26,340
But all responsibility of the maintenance upkeep that sign is going to be on the property under the dance studio.

1387
01:52:26,360 --> 01:52:28,240
Are they renting the land for us?

1388
01:52:28,240 --> 01:52:29,960
They're not renting the land. We are giving them

1389
01:52:30,000 --> 01:52:36,620
Commission to install the sign. Okay. That's all I wanted, thank you. Thank you, Commissioner Louser.

1390
01:52:37,360 --> 01:52:47,800
Yeah, so just a quick question, as far as I don't necessarily have a problem with possibly giving them the space for the sign, but does this set a precedent to wear now?

1391
01:52:48,700 --> 01:52:56,560
Every meeting we're going to be approving some other business who is saying, look at the dance studio. Now I want to put my sign on to the city property.

1392
01:52:56,560 --> 01:52:59,700
This was something that was unique,

1393
01:53:00,120 --> 01:53:04,520
situation was presented to us in terms of this particular request to my knowledge.

1394
01:53:05,160 --> 01:53:06,440
It has not been done.

1395
01:53:07,460 --> 01:53:10,520
And this was kind of a, I'll say, case by case decision,

1396
01:53:10,660 --> 01:53:14,060
where we determined if this was a feasible request to bring before you in the commission.

1397
01:53:14,260 --> 01:53:18,560
I won't say necessarily that it automatically means that everyone going,

1398
01:53:19,740 --> 01:53:23,580
that face a similar situation will automatically be able to have a sign.

1399
01:53:23,740 --> 01:53:25,380
I think it's something we're going to have to evaluate

1400
01:53:25,380 --> 01:53:27,620
has the business this come to us.

1401
01:53:27,640 --> 01:53:28,900
It's going to be hard to say to the shares.

1402
01:53:29,120 --> 01:53:32,000
It's going to be hard to say, though, when you say yes once.

1403
01:53:32,900 --> 01:53:37,900
So I will point out that just west of here in front of the West Bay Plaza, I think it's called.

1404
01:53:38,580 --> 01:53:40,040
Those signs are on city property.

1405
01:53:40,660 --> 01:53:42,440
That's a private, those are private,

1406
01:53:42,600 --> 01:53:44,100
own businesses and buildings.

1407
01:53:44,500 --> 01:53:46,860
The Benedict's sign is a Benedict's still.

1408
01:53:47,560 --> 01:53:50,040
It's on city property in front of that building.

1409
01:53:50,800 --> 01:53:53,200
And that was done as part of that development agreement I believe.

1410
01:53:53,200 --> 01:54:00,720
There are a few of these situations, they're usually pretty unique.

1411
01:54:01,280 --> 01:54:05,040
Sometimes it's a sign, sometimes it's landscaping to make the area look better.

1412
01:54:05,320 --> 01:54:10,940
We have allowed private developers to put landscaping in our signs on city property.

1413
01:54:11,180 --> 01:54:17,960
I believe, as it's Saint Paul's school, their sign, I believe, is one what we've done this.

1414
01:54:17,960 --> 01:54:25,140
But again, a very unique situation because they didn't have good signage, and it was a traffic

1415
01:54:25,140 --> 01:54:30,800
problem, and so it helped out everybody by allowing them to put the sign out on the right

1416
01:54:30,800 --> 01:54:31,140
way.

1417
01:54:31,420 --> 01:54:36,280
So we have done this occasionally, I'm not concerned that it's sitting a president that we're

1418
01:54:36,280 --> 01:54:39,080
going to have to give you, it's totally within your discretion.

1419
01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:46,600
And we've only done this, I'm pretty rare occasions when there was a unique circumstance

1420
01:54:46,600 --> 01:54:56,540
usually due to some kind of property situation and there we have utilities underneath this property

1421
01:54:56,540 --> 01:55:00,520
out in front of the building is that correct? That's correct yes. Thank you.

1422
01:55:01,920 --> 01:55:05,840
Any other questions? I moved to approve an agreement regarding the placement of alignment

1423
01:55:05,840 --> 01:55:12,040
science and city parcel adjacent to 100 first avenue southwest to be installed in

1424
01:55:15,720 --> 01:55:19,000
I have a motion in a second, all in the reverse AI.

1425
01:55:19,000 --> 01:55:20,160
I'm on the opposed.

1426
01:55:20,700 --> 01:55:21,700
Motion passes 70.

1427
01:55:22,200 --> 01:55:23,760
Thank you.

1428
01:55:23,920 --> 01:55:25,740
Next is item number 21.

1429
01:55:43,840 --> 01:55:44,420
Good evening, Mayor.

1430
01:55:44,860 --> 01:55:53,900
This is an agenda memo to request an extension of the work period for the task order that was approved by the Commission on January 21.

1431
01:55:55,440 --> 01:56:02,000
and the city of Largo, we entered into an agreement with Tetra Tech to provide disaster management

1432
01:56:02,000 --> 01:56:07,700
recovery services, part of that included doing inspection of damage properties from the storm,

1433
01:56:08,420 --> 01:56:14,220
collecting data, preparing reports of that data, and then sending out the substantial damage

1434
01:56:14,220 --> 01:56:17,920
estimations to those in the flood zones.

1435
01:56:19,140 --> 01:56:25,480
This task order expired on March 30th, 2025 on the work has not

1436
01:56:25,480 --> 01:56:26,840
been completed from that task order.

1437
01:56:26,960 --> 01:56:29,620
So this is simply a request to extend that work period.

1438
01:56:29,820 --> 01:56:33,420
So TetraTech can complete the rest of those substantial damage

1439
01:56:33,420 --> 01:56:35,120
of reports for the city.

1440
01:56:37,300 --> 01:56:38,040
Thank you.

1441
01:56:38,220 --> 01:56:39,060
Do I have any cards on this?

1442
01:56:39,160 --> 01:56:39,760
We have no card.

1443
01:56:41,740 --> 01:56:42,460
Any questions?

1444
01:56:42,460 --> 01:56:54,200
I moved to approve authorization to change order number 001 to extend the work period for the task and order number 001 between tetrotect ink and the city of Warnland.

1445
01:56:54,560 --> 01:56:55,040
Thank you.

1446
01:56:55,140 --> 01:56:55,600
I have a motion.

1447
01:56:55,800 --> 01:56:57,080
Second all in favor say aye.

1448
01:56:57,780 --> 01:56:58,360
Any opposed?

1449
01:56:59,200 --> 01:56:59,740
Motion passes.

1450
01:57:00,020 --> 01:57:00,400
Seven zero.

1451
01:57:01,020 --> 01:57:01,540
Thank you.

1452
01:57:01,680 --> 01:57:02,680
Here is if they work today.

1453
01:57:04,320 --> 01:57:05,380
Took the day off.

1454
01:57:05,520 --> 01:57:06,260
Another back to work.

1455
01:57:06,540 --> 01:57:08,120
That's good.

1456
01:57:08,340 --> 01:57:09,600
Next is item number 22.

1457
01:57:33,600 --> 01:57:36,240
Good evening Mayor and members of the City Commission.

1458
01:57:36,840 --> 01:57:41,240
The item before you is a proposed amendment to the future land use map for a portion of

1459
01:57:41,240 --> 01:57:44,320
the property located at 702 Country Club Drive.

1460
01:57:47,570 --> 01:57:52,510
The project area encompasses approximately 1.6 acres of the greater East Bay Country Club

1461
01:57:52,510 --> 01:57:53,030
property.

1462
01:57:54,430 --> 01:57:59,450
Currently, the proposed amendment to area is classified as recreation open space on both

1463
01:57:59,450 --> 01:58:02,850
the City of Largo Future land use map and the county line plan map.

1464
01:58:04,450 --> 01:58:12,950
The applicant is seeking an amendment to residential medium to allow for the development of new residential units within the 1.6-acre area.

1465
01:58:14,750 --> 01:58:22,670
This area was identified as it is currently developed with a parking lot, serving the Country Club Bankway and Events venue in the Gulf Course Pro Shop.

1466
01:58:26,020 --> 01:58:30,820
Here's the existing future land use map with the project area outlined with a dashed black line.

1467
01:58:31,460 --> 01:58:39,960
The area is centered along Country Club Drive, a private road, and is located north of the existing Country Club Pro Shop in banquet events club.

1468
01:58:45,050 --> 01:58:50,250
And here is the proposed future land use map showing the property area with a residential medium classification.

1469
01:58:51,350 --> 01:58:59,530
The proposed classification is consistent with that of other residential properties both within the greater East Bay Country Club area and its immediate vicinity.

1470
01:59:05,600 --> 01:59:06,720
Area 1,

1471
01:59:10,800 --> 01:59:14,860
Area 1, shown in red, is located west of Country Club Drive.

1472
01:59:15,740 --> 01:59:20,680
The Northern View shows the East Bay Country Club Condo Apartments, while the Southern View

1473
01:59:20,680 --> 01:59:22,740
shows the Country Club Bar in-group.

1474
01:59:26,630 --> 01:59:31,590
Area 2 indicated with the blue rectangle, shows the portion of the project area located east

1475
01:59:31,590 --> 01:59:32,650
of Country Club Drive.

1476
01:59:33,530 --> 01:59:37,890
The Northern View shows the existing Condo development, west shows the existing parking

1477
01:59:37,890 --> 01:59:39,910
and South shows the pro-shop.

1478
01:59:44,800 --> 01:59:46,580
The proposed amendment has been requested

1479
01:59:46,580 --> 01:59:48,620
pursuant to an agreement from 1988,

1480
01:59:49,240 --> 01:59:51,960
which established a declaration of covenants and restrictions

1481
01:59:52,480 --> 01:59:55,100
between the city of Largo and the then property owners

1482
01:59:55,100 --> 01:59:56,080
of the country club.

1483
01:59:57,520 --> 01:59:58,760
At the time of the declaration,

1484
01:59:59,560 --> 01:59:59,960
the owners of the country.

1485
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:07,600
Please pay country club on 5 parcels. Prior to the declaration, the owners had received inquiries from parties

1486
02:00:07,600 --> 02:00:14,500
interested in redeveloping portions of the golf course. Several land use map of amendments and redevelopment

1487
02:00:14,500 --> 02:00:20,120
proposals were presented before the City of Largo Commission and were ultimately denied as they were found

1488
02:00:20,120 --> 02:00:27,200
to be incompatible with the uses of surrounding properties in the desires of the community. After several redevelopment

1489
02:00:27,200 --> 02:00:37,000
The city and the property owners worked with surrounding residents to arrive at a consensus to cluster the residential density from the five parcels to four parcels.

1490
02:00:38,680 --> 02:00:51,260
This agreement was approved by the City Commission and granted the property owners to write to 475 dwelling units while restricting the remainder of the property to remain as permanent open space for an 18-hole golf course.

1491
02:00:54,170 --> 02:00:58,970
Following the original agreement, two amendments were made to the declaration through a

1492
02:00:58,970 --> 02:01:04,450
development agreement in 1996. These amendments restricted two additional parcels for

1493
02:01:04,450 --> 02:01:09,730
golf course use only and transferred the density to parcel D to allow for the development

1494
02:01:09,730 --> 02:01:16,410
of up to 26 residential dwelling units. Through these agreements, the then property owners

1495
02:01:16,410 --> 02:01:20,790
took ownership and maintenance responsibilities for country club drive and installed the

1496
02:01:20,790 --> 02:01:24,230
at the intersection of the private road with East Bay Drive.

1497
02:01:48,050 --> 02:01:53,150
Here's the map showing the five parcels subject to the Declaration of Covenants and Restrictions.

1498
02:01:53,910 --> 02:01:58,530
As it stands now, parcel A, shown in orange, and located adjacent to Starkey Road,

1499
02:01:58,990 --> 02:02:03,750
is restricted to residential use only, and is currently developed with the 76 unit

1500
02:02:03,750 --> 02:02:05,530
at Golfside Estate's Community.

1501
02:02:06,770 --> 02:02:08,310
Parts will be, shown in blue,

1502
02:02:08,750 --> 02:02:10,090
Parts will see, shown in purple,

1503
02:02:10,650 --> 02:02:12,090
and Parts will be, shown in green,

1504
02:02:12,610 --> 02:02:14,850
are all currently restricted to golf course use

1505
02:02:14,850 --> 02:02:16,710
or golf course related uses only.

1506
02:02:19,130 --> 02:02:21,190
Lastly, Parts will be, shown in red,

1507
02:02:21,370 --> 02:02:23,270
is restricted to residential use only,

1508
02:02:23,430 --> 02:02:26,210
and is currently developed with 180 condo units.

1509
02:02:27,490 --> 02:02:30,010
Of the 475 units allowed pursuant

1510
02:02:30,010 --> 02:02:34,630
to their original declaration, only 282 have been allocated,

1511
02:02:34,630 --> 02:02:39,450
leaving a remainder of 193 units that could be developed.

1512
02:02:40,510 --> 02:02:43,110
It should be noted that the hatch area, shown in light blue,

1513
02:02:43,470 --> 02:02:46,750
located north of Parselsea, was not included in the agreement.

1514
02:03:03,860 --> 02:03:06,560
To utilize a portion of the remaining vested units,

1515
02:03:07,200 --> 02:03:09,600
the current property owner, Florian Golf Investors,

1516
02:03:10,100 --> 02:03:14,760
is requesting this land use map amendment for an approximately 1.6 acre portion

1517
02:03:14,760 --> 02:03:18,160
of the land that is currently classified as recreation open space.

1518
02:03:19,060 --> 02:03:24,540
The current land use designation does not allow for residential development thus why the

1519
02:03:24,540 --> 02:03:27,660
applicants are requesting an amendment to residential medium.

1520
02:03:28,980 --> 02:03:34,180
This land use map amendment would impact parcel C and portions of parcel E which are

1521
02:03:34,180 --> 02:03:37,980
currently restricted to golf course and golf course related uses in the declaration.

1522
02:03:38,940 --> 02:03:44,640
As such, the applicant is also proposing an amendment to the declaration alongside the fluma to

1523
02:03:44,640 --> 02:03:52,060
authorized the use of a 104 of the remaining vested residential units and to extinguish the rights to 89 residential units.

1524
02:03:55,670 --> 02:04:07,690
In light green, this map shows the approximately 0.84 acre per area of parcel E that would be subject to the amendment and the 0.76 acre area of parcel C.

1525
02:04:08,490 --> 02:04:15,410
Please note that no changes are proposed to the future land use map or the declaration outside of the 1.6 acre project area.

1526
02:04:22,290 --> 02:04:27,310
This map shows an aerial of the overall parcel with the flood overlays.

1527
02:04:28,270 --> 02:04:32,450
As shown here, the majority of the western portion of the Greater East Bay Country Club property

1528
02:04:32,450 --> 02:04:38,470
is located within the FEMA designated coastal high hazard area or the special flood hazard area.

1529
02:04:38,990 --> 02:04:42,990
Meanwhile, the eastern portion of the property is fell up primarily with the golf course.

1530
02:04:45,800 --> 02:04:50,100
Here's a closer look of the previous map showing the proposed project area for the amendment.

1531
02:04:50,100 --> 02:05:04,600
This 1.6 acre area was chosen because it is located outside of the flood zones, was previously developed with impervious surfaces for the parking lots, and would cause minimal conflict with the current layout of the overall golf course.

1532
02:05:16,440 --> 02:05:26,160
For panelists, the Metropolitan Planning Organization has created a multimodal accessibility index that scores an area based on the presence of multimodal accessibility features.

1533
02:05:26,160 --> 02:05:37,040
To improve the multimodal accessibility, the applicant's proposed adding a Cheryl Lane and signage on Country Club Drive for bicycle safety and lane sharing.

1534
02:05:38,080 --> 02:05:44,360
The pavement markers, as well as the proposed signage, will likely be similar to the images shown at the bottom of the slide.

1535
02:05:45,400 --> 02:05:51,480
The Cheryl Lane would be added to the portion of Country Club Drive indicated with the green dash line on the map shown.

1536
02:05:57,500 --> 02:06:11,160
Approval of the future land use map amendment and the amendment to the declaration would change the land use classification for only the project area to residential medium and would allow up to 104 dwelling units.

1537
02:06:11,980 --> 02:06:18,600
However, this does not authorize a full redevelopment of the golf course or approve any specific development plans.

1538
02:06:21,730 --> 02:06:29,890
This slide provides a visual depicting the general sequence of events that would be required prior to construction of any new development in the project area.

1539
02:06:30,950 --> 02:06:37,890
If the city commission authorizes the transfer of the amendment this evening, staff would provide forward panels with the application.

1540
02:06:39,330 --> 02:06:45,590
The item would then be heard before the planners advisory committee, the forward panels board and the board of county commissioners.

1541
02:06:45,590 --> 02:06:52,470
If approved by these agencies, the amendment will go back to the city of Largo Commission for second and final reading.

1542
02:06:53,990 --> 02:07:00,850
The proposed amendment to the declaration would be presented alongside the future land use map amendment at second reading before the city commission.

1543
02:07:01,650 --> 02:07:08,990
If both of these items are approved, the flume package would then be submitted to the Florida Department of Commerce for a courtesy review.

1544
02:07:10,190 --> 02:07:16,470
After Future Land Use Map Amendment Approval and State Review, the applicants could then submit

1545
02:07:16,470 --> 02:07:21,790
for a site plan review where the city would require a full site plan, submittal, and

1546
02:07:21,790 --> 02:07:27,290
a traffic study. A neighborhood information meeting would also be required to share the specific

1547
02:07:27,290 --> 02:07:28,770
development plan with the community.

1548
02:07:31,620 --> 02:07:47,480
Ultimately, staff found that the proposed flima was consistent with the goals, objectives, and policies of the City of Largo Comprehensive Plan, and Comprehensive Development Code, as well as the forward panelist Countywide rules, and chapter 163 of the Florida State Satutes.

1549
02:07:48,600 --> 02:08:00,680
On March 6, the planning board recommended approval of the proposed amendment by a vote of 5-0. If approved this evening, the amendment would be translated to forward panelist for countywide review.

1550
02:08:00,680 --> 02:08:07,680
The presentation has now concluded the applicants are present and which is speak and staff are available for any questions, thank you.

1551
02:08:10,680 --> 02:08:12,360
Thank you, do we have any cards on this?

1552
02:08:14,340 --> 02:08:19,360
I have three applicants go first for the cards.

1553
02:08:20,400 --> 02:08:21,160
You have to read the first.

1554
02:08:53,050 --> 02:08:55,310
All right, thank you, Mayor.

1555
02:08:57,610 --> 02:09:00,590
It's been a long process for us to get here.

1556
02:09:01,290 --> 02:09:03,570
I really appreciate the staff this time.

1557
02:09:03,570 --> 02:09:06,130
We've worked closely with the City Attorney's office

1558
02:09:06,130 --> 02:09:09,370
as you heard there's quite a history here

1559
02:09:09,370 --> 02:09:12,470
and looking back and analyzing that and making sure

1560
02:09:12,470 --> 02:09:16,830
that we, you know, have the best project to bring you

1561
02:09:16,830 --> 02:09:19,830
that made the most sense and honored those initial agreements

1562
02:09:19,830 --> 02:09:21,010
was very important.

1563
02:09:22,270 --> 02:09:23,670
So I'm Lauren Rubenstein.

1564
02:09:23,850 --> 02:09:24,950
I'm with Hill Ward Henderson.

1565
02:09:24,970 --> 02:09:27,670
I'm here on behalf of the applicant, also with me,

1566
02:09:27,790 --> 02:09:30,690
is Bruce Orr with the property owner,

1567
02:09:30,870 --> 02:09:31,750
flooring golf investors.

1568
02:09:32,570 --> 02:09:36,130
And Lauren Fiela, who is a planner with Stan Taxo.

1569
02:09:38,050 --> 02:09:39,950
It's after the good job going through the background,

1570
02:09:40,150 --> 02:09:44,270
but this is a thing that started over 30 years ago.

1571
02:09:44,630 --> 02:09:46,890
And so I think it's important that we look at it

1572
02:09:46,890 --> 02:09:49,490
and we talked about how it initially came about.

1573
02:09:49,910 --> 02:09:53,010
So back in 1988, there was the original declaration

1574
02:09:53,010 --> 02:09:56,370
of covenants that was filed and agreed to by the city

1575
02:09:56,370 --> 02:09:57,510
and the property owners.

1576
02:09:57,850 --> 02:10:01,370
And that's what established this overall 475 best

1577
02:10:01,370 --> 02:10:02,250
at units.

1578
02:10:02,850 --> 02:10:05,850
It allowed for clustering of those density units

1579
02:10:05,850 --> 02:10:06,970
in certain areas.

1580
02:10:07,770 --> 02:10:10,850
And it restricted certain areas for the use

1581
02:10:10,850 --> 02:10:13,530
of the golf course and corresponding amenities.

1582
02:10:13,530 --> 02:10:23,630
not a agreement was then amended twice in 1996. Ultimately, those 1996 agreements took what

1583
02:10:23,630 --> 02:10:28,210
you see as parcel D on a lot of these different images you've seen and in the back

1584
02:10:28,210 --> 02:10:38,010
and it allocated a 206 units to parcel D. Only 180 are developed but those 206 are allocated to parcel D.

1585
02:10:38,010 --> 02:10:43,090
And nothing that we are proposing as part of the declaration or as part of this future land

1586
02:10:43,090 --> 02:10:45,570
just map amendment would be changing any of that.

1587
02:10:47,030 --> 02:10:53,910
So, current status today, we have the 475 units that were vested 282 of those are allocated

1588
02:10:53,910 --> 02:11:00,010
between the 76 that are developed on Parts of A and the 206 that are allocated to Parts of D.

1589
02:11:01,670 --> 02:11:07,070
And that brings us to what we're here to where today, which is the future land just map amendment.

1590
02:11:07,070 --> 02:11:12,770
As staff explains, in order to develop any of those remaining units, the 193 remaining,

1591
02:11:13,350 --> 02:11:18,250
we have to have a future land use map amendment to designate where on the property, it

1592
02:11:18,250 --> 02:11:20,530
would be appropriate for those units to be cluster.

1593
02:11:21,970 --> 02:11:27,670
Enth�oring golf has been dedicated to this property and operating this golf course and making

1594
02:11:27,670 --> 02:11:30,370
sure that its future is secure.

1595
02:11:31,290 --> 02:11:34,770
And we're going to care from Bruce a little bit later to talk about the economic viability

1596
02:11:34,770 --> 02:11:39,250
of that, but it has come to a point where to secure the future and to make necessary

1597
02:11:39,250 --> 02:11:44,790
upgrades, they need to have some development for the capital in flow, and they've looked

1598
02:11:44,790 --> 02:11:50,050
at what would be the best place to put these units and where it makes the most sense.

1599
02:11:50,770 --> 02:11:58,190
And what you have is 1.6 acres with a maximum of 104 units, and I think one of the most

1600
02:11:58,190 --> 02:12:04,390
important things to highlight in this as well is understanding that those other 89 units as

1601
02:12:04,390 --> 02:12:09,650
part of this application, and conjunction with the fluma is the third amendment to the declaration,

1602
02:12:10,390 --> 02:12:16,370
which would distinguish those 89 units, which is a significant portion, almost 20 percent

1603
02:12:16,370 --> 02:12:22,410
of the overall vestitensity that the property owners are willing to essentially give up and

1604
02:12:22,410 --> 02:12:28,210
says, you know, this 1.6 acres, this is where the development's appropriate, no more than

1605
02:12:32,230 --> 02:12:37,610
So that third amendment to the declaration, as part of the ordinance that you're voting on today,

1606
02:12:38,030 --> 02:12:47,090
you are also recognizing that the amendment to the declaration would need to be agreed and executed as part of the future land use map.

1607
02:12:48,110 --> 02:12:50,930
I don't know how closely you all have looked at that.

1608
02:12:51,070 --> 02:12:57,570
It's not the most exciting document to read, but it does a good job of laying out exactly what the history was.

1609
02:12:57,570 --> 02:13:04,130
And, you know, laying forth, you've got this 76 units of parcel A, the 206 and D in the

1610
02:13:04,130 --> 02:13:05,030
193 remaining.

1611
02:13:05,750 --> 02:13:10,670
You then have very specifically gold descriptions that match those in the future land use map

1612
02:13:10,670 --> 02:13:18,430
application for the total 1.6 acres that's going to be hopefully a few approve of change

1613
02:13:18,430 --> 02:13:21,590
from the recreation open space to residential medium.

1614
02:13:22,290 --> 02:13:26,610
And then further restricted under the restrictions and the declaration and

1615
02:13:26,610 --> 02:13:32,410
minutes, the amendment, it would be restricted to the 104 units, maximum, and it would

1616
02:13:32,410 --> 02:13:38,310
extinguish those other 89. So that declaration really is what functions to extinguish

1617
02:13:38,310 --> 02:13:39,950
those other 89 units.

1618
02:13:42,310 --> 02:13:47,410
And with that, I'm going to turn it over to Lori to talk about the requirements

1619
02:13:47,410 --> 02:13:54,930
of your code. Good evening, everyone. Excuse me, I'm a little horse tonight, but we've been working

1620
02:13:54,930 --> 02:14:23,810
also with the city and with Bruce's partnership for many, many years on this project as well and I'm really glad we're here tonight because one of the things that we tried to do is make sure that whatever was proposed and again we know this isn't a slight plan proposal but we felt it was very important that if we were going to ask for this fluma that we proposed a project a concept site plan that would in fact

1621
02:14:23,810 --> 02:14:26,850
to be consistent with the city's comprehensive plan.

1622
02:14:27,870 --> 02:14:29,490
Excuse me, in the county of White Rules,

1623
02:14:29,990 --> 02:14:32,410
as well as the compatibility with the city of

1624
02:14:32,410 --> 02:14:34,290
Largo's comprehensive development code.

1625
02:14:35,090 --> 02:14:37,610
And that looked into impacts on public facilities

1626
02:14:37,610 --> 02:14:41,290
and services, demonstration of needs.

1627
02:14:41,850 --> 02:14:45,390
And I think we're talking about fair housing month this month.

1628
02:14:45,630 --> 02:14:49,870
We know how a need the city is,

1629
02:14:49,870 --> 02:14:54,050
and, you know, the Penelis County is in for a housing.

1630
02:14:54,850 --> 02:14:57,490
And so we also looked at the ability to develop

1631
02:14:57,490 --> 02:14:59,970
in compliance with the other CDC state.

1632
02:15:01,740 --> 02:15:08,700
We will be looking into taking account the environmental effects when it comes to site plan review, like we do with all properties.

1633
02:15:09,720 --> 02:15:16,820
As you know, we just worked with Habitat for Humanity on opening of their first 13 units on a parcel that had wetland on it.

1634
02:15:17,020 --> 02:15:26,000
So we are very cognizant of environmental constraints when they're there on the property and we look into that during the site plan review process.

1635
02:15:26,000 --> 02:15:35,140
We also, as staff showed earlier, we actually revised our site plan on numerous occasions.

1636
02:15:35,260 --> 02:15:41,940
The last one was after we received the updated FEMA plan that you saw in that last drawing

1637
02:15:41,940 --> 02:15:48,620
that Whitney showed, showing the new FEMA map, and we moved all of the buildings to where

1638
02:15:48,620 --> 02:15:55,320
there was already, hard-scape, there already was impervious materials down, parking areas, and

1639
02:15:55,320 --> 02:16:02,380
We took all of the development out of the high hazard area with the scenic non-commercial quarters.

1640
02:16:02,800 --> 02:16:09,520
That's kind of a non-applicable point, but we have looked at all of those requirements

1641
02:16:09,520 --> 02:16:18,760
of the CDC and we wanted to show you, again, it's a concept plan, we don't have a developer,

1642
02:16:18,760 --> 02:16:30,020
We only have the experience that we've had with the city and trying to develop a compliant plan that meets the needs of the city as well as the surrounding community.

1643
02:16:30,620 --> 02:16:46,040
This concept plan shows 104 accommodating 104 units of the 193 and again that leaves at 89 to be extinguished and permanently so that there are never, you know,

1644
02:16:46,040 --> 02:16:52,100
they're never going to be brought forward again as to be developed, and it's also leaving the

1645
02:16:52,100 --> 02:16:58,200
golf course intact with additional upgrades proposed, and I would like to turn it over to Bruce

1646
02:16:58,200 --> 02:17:04,080
now to maybe give you some ideas on investing in the future of the golf course.

1647
02:17:05,320 --> 02:17:07,680
Thank you, Mayor Brown, the commission.

1648
02:17:09,880 --> 02:17:14,940
Just if you're not aware of my tenure at East Bay I've been there and a manager on that

1649
02:17:14,940 --> 02:17:16,720
property over 35 years.

1650
02:17:17,080 --> 02:17:26,220
So uniquely I have been involved in this project since this inception from the original

1651
02:17:26,220 --> 02:17:33,620
decorative decorations that were formed and the main goal at that time I think it was

1652
02:17:33,620 --> 02:17:39,320
universal between the city, the golf course owner, and the joining residence, because the

1653
02:17:39,320 --> 02:17:46,800
protection of golf course. So, in short order, I was tasked with that ability to protect

1654
02:17:46,800 --> 02:17:51,100
the golf course going forward. I've been there as a manager with two different ownership

1655
02:17:51,620 --> 02:17:56,620
groups. And I think I could say with some reason it will confidence that we would achieve the

1656
02:17:56,620 --> 02:17:58,020
of the original agreements.

1657
02:18:00,820 --> 02:18:07,400
The virtue of this map of amendment just opens the door for us to create a scenario

1658
02:18:07,400 --> 02:18:13,900
where we can value out resources, but allow us to invest in the golf course,

1659
02:18:14,980 --> 02:18:20,540
renovate the golf course, redo the pro-shop, and really ensure that we've got a product

1660
02:18:20,540 --> 02:18:25,840
is very viable and successful economically and as a

1661
02:18:25,840 --> 02:18:29,520
amenity to the city of residents long, long after

1662
02:18:29,520 --> 02:18:30,220
I'll be gone.

1663
02:18:31,820 --> 02:18:32,340
Thank

1664
02:18:34,420 --> 02:18:34,940
you.

1665
02:18:35,240 --> 02:18:38,220
And one thing I didn't mention that I did want to just

1666
02:18:38,220 --> 02:18:39,940
let the commission know, I don't believe it was in

1667
02:18:39,940 --> 02:18:41,120
staff's presentation either.

1668
02:18:41,720 --> 02:18:44,560
It's been a long road that we've been working with city staff,

1669
02:18:44,720 --> 02:18:47,140
but we have also been involved in making sure that we

1670
02:18:47,140 --> 02:18:48,380
are listening to the community.

1671
02:18:48,640 --> 02:18:51,260
We did have an informational meeting.

1672
02:18:51,260 --> 02:18:59,280
I'll at East Bay Country Club, where we had, I don't know, probably 75 residents, if not more, come out.

1673
02:18:59,620 --> 02:19:06,860
We shared the project, we heard concerns, we took those things back and looked at them and made sure we were looking at those appropriately.

1674
02:19:07,760 --> 02:19:18,400
So I know a lot of them are here tonight and you'll hear from them as well, but we just want to let you know that's not a requirement of hope, but certainly something we feel is very important as we began this process.

1675
02:19:19,640 --> 02:19:22,840
So with that, thank you and we're here for any questions.

1676
02:19:23,640 --> 02:19:28,360
Ordnance number 2025-17 and Ordnance of the City of Largo, Florida,

1677
02:19:28,740 --> 02:19:31,540
amending the City of Largo Comprehensive Plan Future Land Youth

1678
02:19:31,540 --> 02:19:35,980
map classification of the within described track of land, located at 702

1679
02:19:35,980 --> 02:19:41,100
country club drive from recreation open space, parentheses R slash OS to

1680
02:19:41,100 --> 02:19:44,960
residential medium, parentheses Rm, consistent with the City of

1681
02:19:44,960 --> 02:19:50,420
comprehensive plan, amending the city future land use map on file in the office of the city clerk

1682
02:19:50,420 --> 02:19:55,940
pursuant to the provisions of chapter 163 part 2 florist statutes and the panels Countywide

1683
02:19:55,940 --> 02:20:00,300
plan rules, approving the third amendment to the Declaration of Covenants and Restrictions

1684
02:20:00,300 --> 02:20:05,320
Prenticese East Bay Country Club, providing for repeal of any prior ordinances in conflict,

1685
02:20:05,840 --> 02:20:08,240
providing for severability and providing for an effective date.

1686
02:20:09,760 --> 02:20:13,060
Thank you, before we move to questions, do we have any cards on this?

1687
02:20:13,060 --> 02:20:19,440
I have three cards. First is Fred Higgum, and he's representing Deborah Cornner-Noyer,

1688
02:20:19,640 --> 02:20:24,220
Kayla Cornoyer, Judy Higgum, and Christine Mack for total of seven minutes.

1689
02:20:25,560 --> 02:20:27,100
I apologize if I said that name wrong.

1690
02:20:37,520 --> 02:20:43,820
Good evening, Mr. Mayor, City Commissioner. So thank you for affording the opportunity to speak with you.

1691
02:20:44,100 --> 02:20:50,480
My name is Fred Higgum. I'm the president of the homeowners, the kind of minimum homeowners association

1692
02:20:50,480 --> 02:21:00,340
of East Bay, it's 32 condominium homes on a long country club drive, on the west side of

1693
02:21:00,340 --> 02:21:06,660
country club drive, immediately to the north where the country club or the golf course parking

1694
02:21:06,660 --> 02:21:07,660
lot is.

1695
02:21:08,300 --> 02:21:18,740
We oppose the approval of this amendment because it is incompatible with the surrounding use.

1696
02:21:18,740 --> 02:21:25,800
I passed out a packet or gave a clerk a packet that I'd like to refer to during this presentation.

1697
02:21:27,600 --> 02:21:35,540
From East Bay Drive, all the way down to the country club or the golf course parking lot are two story builders.

1698
02:21:35,720 --> 02:21:44,120
And if you look at page number four, you can see a photograph of two story buildings that be associated across the street from mine.

1699
02:21:44,120 --> 02:21:49,320
And mine has similar two story buildings, and further up toward East Bay Drive, there are

1700
02:21:49,320 --> 02:21:53,300
two other condominium projects which also have two story buildings.

1701
02:21:54,060 --> 02:21:58,640
What the proposal is, part of this application, and they're not saying that it's Carter,

1702
02:21:58,780 --> 02:22:06,980
stone yet, but the only way that can put 104 units into 1.6 acres, which by the way is 65 units per acre,

1703
02:22:06,980 --> 02:22:10,780
is to put up a building like they did in Part of D.

1704
02:22:11,220 --> 02:22:16,220
And if you look at page number two, it's a six story building.

1705
02:22:16,580 --> 02:22:21,080
One parking level in former residential stories above it.

1706
02:22:22,160 --> 02:22:24,260
I'm going to address now because of the limited time,

1707
02:22:24,600 --> 02:22:28,100
the most significant issue that we have with that.

1708
02:22:28,160 --> 02:22:29,980
And that is safety because of the increase.

1709
02:22:30,000 --> 02:22:37,620
These traffic on a country club drive. Country club drive is already overburdened. It is the only method

1710
02:22:37,620 --> 02:22:46,940
of ingress and egress for the 265 existing condominium homes, plus the golf force. The proposal is

1711
02:22:46,940 --> 02:22:54,580
to add an additional 104 units for total of 360. Country club drive simply cannot support that.

1712
02:22:58,540 --> 02:22:58,960
Country

1713
02:22:58,960 --> 02:23:07,360
private easement. It's only 20 feet wide. It can't get any bigger. It has no sidewalk, it has

1714
02:23:07,360 --> 02:23:17,780
no bicycle lane. There is nowhere to put the existence of the existing units which use country

1715
02:23:17,780 --> 02:23:26,520
club drive exclusively the 360 with new additions. There are 120 units in the nation which

1716
02:23:26,520 --> 02:23:29,620
is also used in the country club drive.

1717
02:23:30,640 --> 02:23:34,180
And as you sit here today, you have no information

1718
02:23:34,180 --> 02:23:37,300
about what the actual traffic use

1719
02:23:37,300 --> 02:23:39,860
of that right of way is.

1720
02:23:40,000 --> 02:23:42,840
And that's because it was no traffic study done.

1721
02:23:43,280 --> 02:23:49,960
Referring to page 6 of the exhibits in the application.

1722
02:23:49,960 --> 02:23:51,760
It says an updated traffic study

1723
02:23:51,760 --> 02:23:54,060
is being submitted to the city in conjunction

1724
02:23:54,060 --> 02:23:55,480
with this revised narrative.

1725
02:23:55,480 --> 02:23:58,420
But it was not done, it has yet to have been done.

1726
02:23:59,120 --> 02:24:06,380
And I believe that it would be a mistake for the City Commission

1727
02:24:06,380 --> 02:24:10,200
to approve this change to the ordinance without the information

1728
02:24:10,200 --> 02:24:11,960
that would come from that traffic study.

1729
02:24:12,500 --> 02:24:15,320
But golf course, as you saw from the previous amendments,

1730
02:24:15,820 --> 02:24:20,700
has the sole responsibility for maintaining country-floor drop.

1731
02:24:21,220 --> 02:24:24,720
And they do not do a good job of maintaining it.

1732
02:24:24,720 --> 02:24:30,700
If you look at page number six of the exhibits, if the variance is not going to photograph

1733
02:24:30,700 --> 02:24:36,720
by a pod chest for that, but if the very top is e-space drive, and then you can see a

1734
02:24:36,720 --> 02:24:43,360
section of it, which has pop holes and patches and things in it, it's already improperly maintained,

1735
02:24:43,680 --> 02:24:45,060
it's already inadequate.

1736
02:24:45,700 --> 02:24:52,780
Now, what the applicant is asking you for is this ordinance, which will give them a vested

1737
02:24:52,780 --> 02:25:03,260
right and the ability to put 104 units in 1.6 acres about 40 feet away from my project

1738
02:25:03,260 --> 02:25:06,320
about 30 feet away from the project across the street.

1739
02:25:07,360 --> 02:25:08,900
That right doesn't exist now.

1740
02:25:09,220 --> 02:25:14,600
They may have a right to put some units on existing golf course somewhere, but they don't

1741
02:25:14,600 --> 02:25:21,020
have a right to do it a long country club drive and country club drive is already overburdened

1742
02:25:21,020 --> 02:25:30,840
can not support any additional units, and country club drive is only 20 feet wide. It cannot

1743
02:25:30,840 --> 02:25:38,420
be expanded. It's bounded on all sides by at least 400 million projects. I don't know

1744
02:25:38,420 --> 02:25:44,860
about the other projects, but I know that my documents provide that the president can't sell

1745
02:25:44,860 --> 02:25:49,560
the land, the board of directors can't sell the land. If you're going to sell or give away

1746
02:25:49,560 --> 02:25:55,400
a condominium land, it can only be done with an approval of 100% of the owners.

1747
02:25:57,520 --> 02:26:05,360
So, it's an impossibility to be able to make this real white, and of all of the places

1748
02:26:05,360 --> 02:26:08,620
that could put additional development, this is perhaps the worst.

1749
02:26:09,440 --> 02:26:14,640
I think that the very least there ought to be a traffic study so you can actually count and

1750
02:26:14,640 --> 02:26:19,700
know what the usage, now I know we've been told in the past that this is only the beginning

1751
02:26:20,460 --> 02:26:25,080
that future down the line that there will be approvals and permits required.

1752
02:26:25,720 --> 02:26:30,580
Well, my concern is that once you pass this ordinance, which gives an invested right, to put

1753
02:26:30,580 --> 02:26:38,740
104 units on this particular parcel, then it's going to be very difficult to stop any development

1754
02:26:38,740 --> 02:26:39,760
of that point.

1755
02:26:40,340 --> 02:26:45,360
And perhaps you could ask the city attorney if approval of the ordinance as written, allowing

1756
02:26:45,360 --> 02:26:51,580
the 104 units on this particular parcel will make it any more difficult for the city or

1757
02:26:51,580 --> 02:26:58,220
the county to deny this permit because of the inadequacy of a country-closed drop, asking

1758
02:26:58,220 --> 02:27:03,820
that you don't set the city up for failure, don't set the community up for failure, and

1759
02:27:03,820 --> 02:27:09,620
Please look into the actual traffic use before you consider approving this event.

1760
02:27:09,820 --> 02:27:11,040
Thank you.

1761
02:27:11,060 --> 02:27:12,640
Thank you.

1762
02:27:21,780 --> 02:27:23,520
The next speaker is James Bennett.

1763
02:27:23,780 --> 02:27:24,500
He's representing.

1764
02:27:28,020 --> 02:27:28,940
I know I'm going to get this wrong.

1765
02:27:29,180 --> 02:27:29,420
I'm sorry.

1766
02:27:29,660 --> 02:27:31,040
You can shave, ask for now.

1767
02:27:31,380 --> 02:27:36,600
The threes, Angela Reeves, Andrew Bennett, Sue Winkler, Scott Cooler, and Bill Chamberlain.

1768
02:27:43,520 --> 02:27:44,240
Good evening.

1769
02:27:44,780 --> 02:27:48,040
Thank you very much for the opportunity to speak on behalf of

1770
02:27:48,040 --> 02:27:51,760
to Club Conominians. My name is James Bennett. I'm the President and

1771
02:27:51,760 --> 02:27:55,080
Treasurer of the 30-unit Country Club Building 6 H.O.A.

1772
02:27:55,240 --> 02:28:00,820
and also the Treasurer on the board of the entire 180-unit 6-building

1773
02:28:00,820 --> 02:28:05,360
Conominium Complex H.O.A. Reference in Parsonal D.

1774
02:28:06,160 --> 02:28:08,900
Previously, just south of East Bay, Golf Club facilities.

1775
02:28:09,060 --> 02:28:12,480
We represent the largest residential homeowners association

1776
02:28:13,080 --> 02:28:16,740
along Country Club Drive from East Bay Drive until it terminates

1777
02:28:16,740 --> 02:28:18,320
in our six building complex.

1778
02:28:20,580 --> 02:28:22,960
We ask ourselves a lot of questions when looking at this

1779
02:28:22,960 --> 02:28:24,280
to try to be fair too.

1780
02:28:24,580 --> 02:28:30,280
And it's like if you ask my 180 homeowners in our complex

1781
02:28:30,280 --> 02:28:34,820
who doesn't like having East Bay golf club as a prominent

1782
02:28:34,820 --> 02:28:38,260
feature that helps us to maintain and sell our homes.

1783
02:28:38,820 --> 02:28:40,640
So we're unanimous in that.

1784
02:28:40,780 --> 02:28:41,800
That's not a question.

1785
02:28:42,600 --> 02:28:47,000
Who doesn't like maybe the concept of bringing in new 104

1786
02:28:47,000 --> 02:28:55,780
or high-end similar units to add to our 180 units that are selling in an average of $475,000

1787
02:28:55,780 --> 02:28:59,600
and provide that tax base to the city and to the county.

1788
02:29:00,680 --> 02:29:02,120
Everybody agrees with that, too.

1789
02:29:02,260 --> 02:29:04,380
We really don't object to that potential.

1790
02:29:05,360 --> 02:29:10,540
If you ask our owners who likes the current state of Country Club Drive,

1791
02:29:10,820 --> 02:29:15,820
you can't get one owner to say they approve of the state of Country Club Drive.

1792
02:29:15,820 --> 02:29:21,580
It's a little bit of a laundry because you've got the golf course who owns Country Club Drive.

1793
02:29:22,140 --> 02:29:23,880
They're responsible for maintaining it.

1794
02:29:23,880 --> 02:29:25,680
They have no pressure from us.

1795
02:29:25,720 --> 02:29:30,160
They have no pressure from the city to improve it to maintain it or anything.

1796
02:29:31,000 --> 02:29:36,340
So if past experience is any indication of future performance,

1797
02:29:37,120 --> 02:29:40,160
we have no confidence that Country Club Drive will be maintained.

1798
02:29:41,020 --> 02:29:59,980
Our number one concern as the result of the proposed rezoning would be safety, safety of our owners and tenants while they travelers come to club drive currently and how we're so we'll get without assurances from either the existing private ownership of the road or options that the city can give to them.

1799
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:10,860
We were swayed to our concerns, which is essential to moving forward. Traffic is our main safety concern. This includes pedestrian, bicycle, motorized bicycle, scooter,

1800
02:30:11,420 --> 02:30:20,420
motorized scooter, golf cart, passenger vehicle, commercial work, and vendor trucks, city services vehicles, city emergency, police, fire, and ambulance vehicles.

1801
02:30:20,420 --> 02:30:25,880
The must traverse a very narrow road with no sidewalks and inadequate lighting.

1802
02:30:26,460 --> 02:30:31,520
It is our homeowner's opinion that the road is half-hazardly and poorly maintained by the owner.

1803
02:30:32,580 --> 02:30:34,220
In this case, he's paid golf course.

1804
02:30:34,600 --> 02:30:38,400
Hot holes are a routine obstacle to avoid as our patches.

1805
02:30:39,460 --> 02:30:42,680
Between the golf course, Park and On and the two-story condominium,

1806
02:30:43,040 --> 02:30:47,360
Park and Ones, there are over a hundred access points currently in the short span of the road,

1807
02:30:47,640 --> 02:30:49,240
representing a major safety hazard.

1808
02:30:49,240 --> 02:30:56,180
It is our opinion a country club condominium, excuse me, residents and visitors bear the

1809
02:30:56,180 --> 02:31:01,120
brunt of the traffic on country club drive as we must traverse the entire length of the

1810
02:31:01,120 --> 02:31:07,740
road many times a day. There is no alternative route, out either for convenience or safety

1811
02:31:07,740 --> 02:31:13,380
during routine daily activities or emergencies or frequent road flooding. This is a major

1812
02:31:13,380 --> 02:31:20,420
additional problem. We need sidewalks, pedestrians, baby strollers and children or adults

1813
02:31:20,420 --> 02:31:23,480
on bikes or scooters on our currently safe on this road.

1814
02:31:23,780 --> 02:31:28,320
Throat is too narrow for human two vehicles to pass safely. At twilight and after dark,

1815
02:31:28,520 --> 02:31:33,420
the safety concern is multiplied many fold as a result of inadequate lighting, especially for

1816
02:31:33,420 --> 02:31:38,220
pedestrians and bike scooter traffic. In today's time's motorized bikes and scooters

1817
02:31:38,220 --> 02:31:41,460
present a heightened safety concern as they were not

1818
02:31:41,460 --> 02:31:44,940
a come for in traffic studies dating back to the 1980s.

1819
02:31:45,040 --> 02:31:48,400
And prior, the speed limit on the private road,

1820
02:31:48,700 --> 02:31:51,240
come to club drive is a 15 miles per hour.

1821
02:31:52,960 --> 02:31:55,580
Seems actually in dry sunlight and load traffic times

1822
02:31:55,580 --> 02:31:58,040
to be setting an appropriate snail space.

1823
02:31:58,340 --> 02:32:01,060
On the other hand, when there's heavy golf club with golf

1824
02:32:01,060 --> 02:32:03,500
guards or commercial or residential vehicle traffic

1825
02:32:03,500 --> 02:32:07,900
or poor weather or poorly-led conditions that limit can feel too fast.

1826
02:32:08,480 --> 02:32:11,420
Because of the random parking access along Country Club Drive,

1827
02:32:11,580 --> 02:32:15,060
you never know when a car or golf cart or pedestrian

1828
02:32:15,060 --> 02:32:16,640
will enter the road unexpectedly.

1829
02:32:18,440 --> 02:32:21,640
The road design itself with no sidewalks,

1830
02:32:21,760 --> 02:32:24,240
poor drainage during storms and adequate lighting

1831
02:32:24,240 --> 02:32:26,280
and is an accident waiting to happen,

1832
02:32:26,600 --> 02:32:28,720
resulting in possible injuries or even death.

1833
02:32:29,160 --> 02:32:32,160
This is how we perceive the current state of the road.

1834
02:32:32,160 --> 02:32:37,400
If that is how we feel about traffic now and come to Club Drive without rezoning for future

1835
02:32:37,400 --> 02:32:42,800
development, you might imagine how we feel with that rezoning and future development coming

1836
02:32:42,800 --> 02:32:43,620
down the pike.

1837
02:32:44,220 --> 02:32:51,420
Country Club Condominiums has 180 units and contributes up to 360 vehicles to the traffic per

1838
02:32:51,420 --> 02:32:57,180
day and other 550 cars currently have access to traverse the road north of our complex on

1839
02:32:57,180 --> 02:33:03,860
to club drive. The rezoning would add the potential for 104 residential units or 28 vehicles

1840
02:33:03,860 --> 02:33:10,660
to add to that traffic. This adds a 22.8% burden to an already overburden stretch of road.

1841
02:33:10,960 --> 02:33:16,060
The Destrian bike scooter installer traffic up and now come to club drive would likely increase

1842
02:33:16,060 --> 02:33:22,300
in a similar rate. Parking at the golf course currently in combination 150 vehicle spaces and

1843
02:33:22,300 --> 02:33:26,560
will be reduced in the plan to a hundred and twenty one vehicle spaces in the proposed

1844
02:33:26,560 --> 02:33:29,080
development plan accompanying the rezoning request.

1845
02:33:29,660 --> 02:33:33,560
If a major goal of East Bay come to club is to grow and enhance their business as a result

1846
02:33:33,560 --> 02:33:38,380
of this rezoning, thus allowing them to market the property to a residential developer

1847
02:33:38,380 --> 02:33:43,920
and raise funds, then a reduction in proposed golf course park in spaces is perplexing.

1848
02:33:45,800 --> 02:33:49,900
In future parking is inadequate for the golf course, come to club kind of many of the

1849
02:33:49,900 --> 02:33:54,580
the overflow parking would naturally creep up the road right directly in front of our complex

1850
02:33:54,580 --> 02:33:56,360
which would be totally unacceptable.

1851
02:33:57,740 --> 02:34:03,300
The owner of Comfort Club Drive is tossing out at in a share of lands to play kethy safety

1852
02:34:03,300 --> 02:34:04,580
concerns for our communities.

1853
02:34:04,740 --> 02:34:06,160
This is a joke.

1854
02:34:06,920 --> 02:34:14,120
240 in twide share of lands would eat up 6.7 feet of the existing very narrow 21 foot road

1855
02:34:14,120 --> 02:34:17,620
right leaving only 14.3 feet for two lanes of traffic.

1856
02:34:17,620 --> 02:34:26,520
We are also concerned that the city, if the city has inadequate emergency services to absorb these additional units.

1857
02:34:27,340 --> 02:34:30,220
What do we expect the planning board to take from our safety concerns?

1858
02:34:30,880 --> 02:34:35,540
Perform an updated traffic study before any recommendation moves forward to change zoning.

1859
02:34:36,140 --> 02:34:42,580
Consider buying or taking over a clinical drive by imminent demand so that improvements in upgrades can be made to make it safe

1860
02:34:42,580 --> 02:34:45,840
to accommodate current conditions of vehicle pedestrian traffic

1861
02:34:45,840 --> 02:34:48,920
and for proposed reason and development.

1862
02:34:49,720 --> 02:34:53,080
Consider purchasing the land necessary to provide an additional

1863
02:34:53,080 --> 02:34:55,900
round access in Starky Road from Country Club Drive

1864
02:34:55,900 --> 02:34:58,860
at the Forest Book Complex Driveway.

1865
02:35:01,080 --> 02:35:03,780
As a comparison, Trotter Road in the Largo is

1866
02:35:03,780 --> 02:35:05,220
owned in Maintain by the city.

1867
02:35:05,760 --> 02:35:09,100
It is one mile in length and has 65 inch wide share

1868
02:35:09,100 --> 02:35:16,240
in two directions, and two 11 foot, six-inch automobile lengths for coal width of 34 feet.

1869
02:35:16,440 --> 02:35:21,240
We have 21 feet. There are two five foot wide sidewalks on each side of the road.

1870
02:35:21,600 --> 02:35:24,720
The road is well paved and free of patches and potables.

1871
02:35:26,500 --> 02:35:32,320
There well maintained traffic and bike lane lines on the street are an added flush.

1872
02:35:32,460 --> 02:35:34,220
The street is well lit at night.

1873
02:35:34,220 --> 02:35:41,320
country club drive is 21 feet in width, 0.7 miles in length is poorly lit, poorly paved with patches,

1874
02:35:41,640 --> 02:35:46,260
no share lanes and no sidewalks. The housing doesn't be a long country club drive is

1875
02:35:46,260 --> 02:35:49,200
significantly greater than a long charter road.

1876
02:35:51,440 --> 02:35:53,960
Our number two concern, as a result of the

1877
02:35:53,960 --> 02:36:00,980
pros proposed rezoning is wastewater and sewer system management, we would suggest a study for that

1878
02:36:00,980 --> 02:36:07,640
In the packets, I hand it out, hopefully, you have the four pages of pictures on there.

1879
02:36:07,640 --> 02:36:10,660
If you have access to those, I could explain these page individually.

1880
02:36:11,620 --> 02:36:16,640
The first page of pictures is the current state of Toronto Road, as it was this afternoon,

1881
02:36:17,220 --> 02:36:20,780
showing the divided lines, the shower lanes, and the sidewalks.

1882
02:36:21,500 --> 02:36:28,680
The second page shows frequent impediments to travel along a country called Drive with public

1883
02:36:28,680 --> 02:36:34,760
vehicles, landscaping vehicles, there's one picture that has actually five landscaping trucks

1884
02:36:34,760 --> 02:36:39,540
that were there for hours and hours on the Saturday, heavily busy today.

1885
02:36:40,560 --> 02:36:47,260
There, the fourth picture shows what would be optional parking up toward our complex.

1886
02:36:49,640 --> 02:36:54,040
If the parking at the country club, for the Gulf, of course, is inadequate, we hear that

1887
02:36:54,040 --> 02:36:56,680
that parking will come up our way, which it never, ever has.

1888
02:36:57,600 --> 02:37:04,440
The third page shows views in our complex, and if you could envision, during this proposed

1889
02:37:04,440 --> 02:37:11,520
development, that what you would have are two buildings going down the left side of

1890
02:37:11,520 --> 02:37:17,480
a country called Drive in one very large 40 in a building on the right side with a road going

1891
02:37:17,480 --> 02:37:18,140
down the middle.

1892
02:37:19,240 --> 02:37:23,880
The development itself would take over two years to build, and we would be driving through a

1893
02:37:23,880 --> 02:37:29,960
two-year development construction project with a very narrow road, trying to, uh,

1894
02:37:32,220 --> 02:37:52,060
We have no choice. The other is a narrow overview for one of our buildings that we show our current clubhouse and pool complex. And if you were to put kind of club drive down the middle of that road, that is what you would see. I appreciate your time and thank you for allowing me to comment.

1895
02:37:52,560 --> 02:37:53,180
Thank you.

1896
02:38:03,460 --> 02:38:04,860
Next speaker is Barbara Bluestein.

1897
02:38:04,860 --> 02:38:06,220
Thank

1898
02:38:14,510 --> 02:38:27,030
you, Mayor, commissioners and attendees for offering this forum. Previously, I sent a letter to the mayor and commissioners addressing my concerns about the potential rezoning issues.

1899
02:38:27,570 --> 02:38:34,110
And you have heard my colleagues speak tonight about traffic issues, about safety issues.

1900
02:38:34,650 --> 02:38:37,810
I'm not going to reiterate what they've talked about.

1901
02:38:37,810 --> 02:38:44,690
Instead, I've chosen to speak about responsible stewardship, and I'm talking about maintaining

1902
02:38:44,690 --> 02:38:46,130
our waterways.

1903
02:38:46,590 --> 02:38:54,050
The waterways are connected, interconnected, providing for wildlife, wetlands, and drainage,

1904
02:38:54,210 --> 02:38:56,990
and that's particularly important for hurricanes.

1905
02:38:57,570 --> 02:39:05,170
During this past season, the upper end of country club drive was all blocked off with water

1906
02:39:05,170 --> 02:39:06,090
due to flooding.

1907
02:39:06,090 --> 02:39:08,730
And we need to have our drainage.

1908
02:39:09,690 --> 02:39:18,890
When these waterways become clogged, overgrown, filled with algae, filled with dirt and garbage

1909
02:39:18,890 --> 02:39:24,710
and they become smelly, they no longer are serving their purpose.

1910
02:39:25,450 --> 02:39:32,510
The waterways in and surrounding the golf course need to be dredged, they need to be cleaned,

1911
02:39:32,510 --> 02:39:41,890
They need to be preserved, not only for the wildlife, but for our neighbors that are surrounding those areas.

1912
02:39:42,630 --> 02:39:53,630
As Larko prides itself on being green and being sustainable, it's incongruent to me to see how you could approve this rezoning.

1913
02:39:54,450 --> 02:39:56,070
Thank you.

1914
02:40:03,660 --> 02:40:06,300
Thank you. Any questions from the Commission?

1915
02:40:09,790 --> 02:40:11,450
Mr. Reezy.

1916
02:40:11,950 --> 02:40:13,050
Thank you.

1917
02:40:14,150 --> 02:40:19,050
So in the emails and the people I've spoken to and it was brought up by the first speaker,

1918
02:40:19,250 --> 02:40:26,110
it was a concern about if this passes, that's kind of like a divine right to develop

1919
02:40:26,110 --> 02:40:27,430
no matter what the city says.

1920
02:40:28,750 --> 02:40:32,190
Can you, and I'll ask the question for going to site planning process.

1921
02:40:34,570 --> 02:40:38,210
So if this passes, it works this way through a number of steps.

1922
02:40:38,210 --> 02:40:42,210
So we get through all those and it becomes time to develop and they identify and develop

1923
02:40:42,210 --> 02:40:43,650
a site plan process.

1924
02:40:43,870 --> 02:40:45,930
Engineering would have to weigh in, right?

1925
02:40:46,130 --> 02:40:46,730
Correct.

1926
02:40:47,510 --> 02:40:47,750
Fire.

1927
02:40:48,610 --> 02:40:48,770
Fire?

1928
02:40:48,770 --> 02:40:48,910
Fire.

1929
02:40:50,010 --> 02:40:56,290
It would actually have to go through a development review committee, which has multiple divisions and departments

1930
02:40:56,290 --> 02:40:56,890
involved.

1931
02:40:57,750 --> 02:41:03,870
So environmental services, building, fire, police, just to name a few.

1932
02:41:03,870 --> 02:41:07,830
And any of them expresses a concern or, or,

1933
02:41:09,830 --> 02:41:12,350
I'd only use the word tonight, but say that,

1934
02:41:12,470 --> 02:41:16,050
for instance, fire said that we don't believe that this is safe anymore.

1935
02:41:17,270 --> 02:41:19,730
The city would then go back to the developer and say changes need to be made.

1936
02:41:20,010 --> 02:41:24,630
That's correct. We could actually reject if their site plan,

1937
02:41:24,670 --> 02:41:31,630
if it doesn't meet code, or there's any non-compliance with any of our codes or plans.

1938
02:41:34,390 --> 02:41:34,830
Okay,

1939
02:41:39,000 --> 02:41:43,520
that's it. Thank you. Thank you boys for our holes. That was easy. Yeah.

1940
02:41:44,000 --> 02:41:49,260
Jeez. And did I see earlier in your presentation that this thing already went preliminary

1941
02:41:49,260 --> 02:41:55,940
through the planning board? Yes. Sorry. Then it was what a five-low, the five-low, the boat?

1942
02:41:56,120 --> 02:42:00,140
That's correct. You didn't have a traffic study with it. No, it did not have a traffic study.

1943
02:42:00,140 --> 02:42:09,700
We did have the analysis of the multimodal accessibility index, and I believe that may have gotten confused for the traffic study in the opposite scenario.

1944
02:42:09,880 --> 02:42:13,600
Okay, well you've got two major factions here tonight.

1945
02:42:14,220 --> 02:42:17,460
Okay, you've got the developer, and you got everybody else.

1946
02:42:17,920 --> 02:42:18,020
Okay?

1947
02:42:19,540 --> 02:42:24,840
When it was being presented to the playing board, did everybody else know about it?

1948
02:42:25,560 --> 02:42:28,060
Can you define who you mean by everybody else?

1949
02:42:28,200 --> 02:42:29,720
Everybody except for the developer.

1950
02:42:31,400 --> 02:42:33,200
You have three of them sitting right here.

1951
02:42:33,240 --> 02:42:36,080
Everybody else sitting out here is a, is they know.

1952
02:42:37,100 --> 02:42:38,220
They know about it.

1953
02:42:38,400 --> 02:42:40,320
They have a chance to talk to the clan board.

1954
02:42:40,680 --> 02:42:41,580
Yes, that.

1955
02:42:41,900 --> 02:42:43,660
Yes, they were notified or not.

1956
02:42:44,080 --> 02:42:44,280
Yes, they were notified.

1957
02:42:44,340 --> 02:42:45,500
They were notified when they were the one to show up.

1958
02:42:46,020 --> 02:42:46,180
Yes.

1959
02:42:46,200 --> 02:42:47,100
We gotta march.

1960
02:42:47,720 --> 02:42:50,680
Actually, the, the expert, the entire room was filled.

1961
02:42:51,280 --> 02:42:51,800
Standing alone.

1962
02:42:52,200 --> 02:42:54,020
This is the ground too.

1963
02:42:54,020 --> 02:43:04,340
This is just checking because my next question is how many homeowners associations are there at their golf course?

1964
02:43:05,240 --> 02:43:07,160
We have that data.

1965
02:43:07,160 --> 02:43:07,340
We have that data.

1966
02:43:07,340 --> 02:43:08,740
You've had two of them here tonight.

1967
02:43:09,240 --> 02:43:15,700
Yes, we actually, what we did as a courtesy mailing, not necessarily a requirement,

1968
02:43:16,360 --> 02:43:22,460
was not only did we make sure to reach out to all of the property owners within the required

1969
02:43:22,460 --> 02:43:30,180
five hundred feet, but also we make sure to contact the HOA's and make sure that they got

1970
02:43:30,180 --> 02:43:34,120
noticed as well because sometimes they don't pick up within that distance.

1971
02:43:34,920 --> 02:43:38,560
Okay, well understand it, I'm basically a very simple person.

1972
02:43:39,220 --> 02:43:43,600
I like to boil things down and it's the most simple portion.

1973
02:43:44,320 --> 02:43:48,360
It appears as though, and you could say I'm wrong, it's no big deal.

1974
02:43:50,360 --> 02:43:59,200
You have one major issue, well, by the way, I noticed folks that the parking lot for the

1975
02:43:59,200 --> 02:44:02,640
clubhouse, yeah, they're kind of chewing up half of it. I don't know how that would

1976
02:44:02,640 --> 02:44:07,680
got by. But anyway, I saw your picture, that death health was strange. We're the parking

1977
02:44:07,680 --> 02:44:08,180
line, go.

1978
02:44:11,980 --> 02:44:17,100
I was looking for, you know, where is the middle ground on this thing? Or is

1979
02:44:17,100 --> 02:44:18,500
they're any middle ground.

1980
02:44:19,000 --> 02:44:21,280
If they're having problems with the road,

1981
02:44:22,020 --> 02:44:24,640
I mean, first off, that's a private road I do believe.

1982
02:44:25,780 --> 02:44:28,560
So that's going to be an issue to begin with.

1983
02:44:28,840 --> 02:44:35,260
My question is, have the boring parties, first say,

1984
02:44:35,860 --> 02:44:37,940
have they had a little Mono Mono?

1985
02:44:38,020 --> 02:44:41,540
And say, you know, maybe if you fix the road here,

1986
02:44:42,160 --> 02:44:45,480
you may not get so much grief out of us, just the thought,

1987
02:44:45,480 --> 02:44:49,060
You know, I am sure that may have been breached somewhere,

1988
02:44:49,460 --> 02:44:51,500
I mean, brought up somewhere down the road,

1989
02:44:52,000 --> 02:44:53,220
but was it ever brought?

1990
02:44:53,300 --> 02:44:55,460
I'm just curious, I wasn't at these meetings,

1991
02:44:56,260 --> 02:44:58,780
and I'm sitting back here as a third party observer,

1992
02:44:59,000 --> 02:44:59,900
and I'm like, okay.

1993
02:45:00,140 --> 02:45:05,080
You know, we need Solomon's sword up here right now. That would make things so much easier.

1994
02:45:05,540 --> 02:45:11,200
That's the cut the baby. All right, that's enough for now. I'm going to come back to you.

1995
02:45:11,380 --> 02:45:14,480
Thank you, Mr. Zimmer. Yes, thank you.

1996
02:45:16,820 --> 02:45:21,840
So, there's a few commissioners up here. I don't think I've been through one of these yet.

1997
02:45:21,840 --> 02:45:31,940
And also maybe help some of those speakers tonight, I thought I would go through a little bit of the procedure, the code provisions,

1998
02:45:32,400 --> 02:45:39,340
that govern what the Commission decides night, and gives them guidelines to what they can consider and what they can't consider.

1999
02:45:40,020 --> 02:45:43,580
And I talk a little bit about the process and try to address some of the use of them in reason.

2000
02:45:44,580 --> 02:45:51,300
So the criteria for the Commission's consideration tonight is contained within the community available code.

2001
02:45:51,300 --> 02:45:53,620
Basically, there's two things to be considered,

2002
02:45:53,680 --> 02:46:01,340
consistency with the comprehensive plan and compatibility at this stage of the project,

2003
02:46:01,480 --> 02:46:06,360
this compatibility with the land use class of occasions, other surrounding properties.

2004
02:46:08,320 --> 02:46:12,080
Okay, it's not the actual use as it's with the land use classifications.

2005
02:46:13,000 --> 02:46:20,460
I believe that the land use classifications in that area are either basically preservation or some kind of residential.

2006
02:46:20,460 --> 02:46:23,840
So when you're class, right, Alicia, she's there.

2007
02:46:24,280 --> 02:46:30,900
Recreation open space and also directly adjacent to the north of the proposed amendment

2008
02:46:30,900 --> 02:46:33,080
area is residential medium.

2009
02:46:34,220 --> 02:46:39,700
So under compatibility, there's nine different factors you can consider based on the comments

2010
02:46:39,700 --> 02:46:40,160
tonight.

2011
02:46:40,380 --> 02:46:45,820
I'm going to read to you or address to you a few of those that seem to might be applicable

2012
02:46:45,820 --> 02:46:47,320
to the comments that we're making.

2013
02:46:47,320 --> 02:46:54,220
The first one is impacts on public facilities in service that amendments shall be evaluated

2014
02:46:54,220 --> 02:46:59,060
for impacts on infrastructure and to determine impacts on the level of service.

2015
02:46:59,380 --> 02:47:03,380
So of course that's a public facilities that does not include private roads.

2016
02:47:04,440 --> 02:47:11,720
So that would not be a factor as far as the impact on the private road at this stage of the project.

2017
02:47:13,780 --> 02:47:20,000
Then the other thing that I thought was, I would mention to you is one of the factors is that

2018
02:47:20,000 --> 02:47:23,660
the land used to change amendments shall be proved only if the parcel can subsequently

2019
02:47:23,660 --> 02:47:28,540
be developed in full compliance with any of the local standards of the CDC.

2020
02:47:29,660 --> 02:47:35,840
Now with that, yes, this ordinance would give them vested rights for the honours for the honours

2021
02:47:35,840 --> 02:47:36,900
for units on that parcel.

2022
02:47:37,680 --> 02:47:41,620
Does that mean they will actually be able to develop honours for units?

2023
02:47:41,620 --> 02:47:48,280
absolutely not. Is it unusual for a developer to have bested rights for a number of units

2024
02:47:48,280 --> 02:47:56,140
IE density and then not be able to develop them frequently, if not usually. Just take a

2025
02:47:56,140 --> 02:48:05,220
look at this project. They had density of 475 units and there's still 200 some units on the

2026
02:48:07,300 --> 02:48:24,520
So that is, you know, that happens quite a bit because once you get past this stage and the process that we have in Florida, you know, at the criteria that you have available to you is just that criteria so you don't really get the details for the project.

2027
02:48:24,520 --> 02:48:31,980
The details of the project come in a site plan, and we have specific regulations and requirements

2028
02:48:31,980 --> 02:48:38,500
that and a process that we go through as Alicia mentioned before through a site plan process.

2029
02:48:39,460 --> 02:48:42,880
That would include looking at the traffic issue.

2030
02:48:43,400 --> 02:48:51,360
At that point, the design of the access and the rows that would be utilized by the residents

2031
02:48:51,360 --> 02:48:58,220
of this project will be reviewed by the engineering staff, and if determined not to be acceptable

2032
02:48:58,220 --> 02:49:05,580
and to be able to handle the capacity, then the developer would be obligated to meet engineering

2033
02:49:06,860 --> 02:49:09,760
staff's reasonable requirements pursuant to the code.

2034
02:49:10,940 --> 02:49:13,620
So the traffic issue will be addressed.

2035
02:49:13,920 --> 02:49:18,840
There's specific code provisions in chapter 9 and CDC that addresses the traffic.

2036
02:49:18,840 --> 02:49:23,960
As far as maintenance of the road, maintenance of our private road is not something that the city

2037
02:49:25,980 --> 02:49:26,580
governs.

2038
02:49:26,580 --> 02:49:33,280
This developer and the people that are, you know, run this and maintain this facility and

2039
02:49:33,280 --> 02:49:36,640
the people who live there decided that they prefer private street.

2040
02:49:37,280 --> 02:49:41,960
There are, I know, residents who believe there's a benefit to having private streets.

2041
02:49:41,980 --> 02:49:44,240
We have other communities with private streets.

2042
02:49:45,100 --> 02:49:52,120
But the negative about a private street is that the city does not maintain the street and has no control over maintenance of the street.

2043
02:49:52,600 --> 02:49:59,740
I heard mentioned about parking, and so the country club has parking requirements under the CDC.

2044
02:50:00,480 --> 02:50:05,620
If there are going to reduce those number spaces, they're still going to have to meet the parking requirements in our code.

2045
02:50:06,340 --> 02:50:10,320
That will be something that will be addressed at site plan review.

2046
02:50:10,320 --> 02:50:18,400
Also, at that point, we will be review of whatever access to the sewer system that they are going to

2047
02:50:19,280 --> 02:50:26,400
impose as part of their design of the system that will be reviewed by environmental services,

2048
02:50:26,880 --> 02:50:33,820
and staying with their stormwater plan, which will be reviewed by the city and Swethman.

2049
02:50:35,100 --> 02:50:44,720
So, I'm not just a city, but it's what one will have to review their stormwater plans for handling any additional stormwater flow that will result from this development.

2050
02:50:46,240 --> 02:51:00,640
So, just to conclude what I was going to say is, at this stage, just the language change, based upon the system and the procedure we have in Florida, you're confined to very narrow considerations.

2051
02:51:00,640 --> 02:51:07,140
It would be great if you could have a site plan in front of you before you made this decision,

2052
02:51:07,400 --> 02:51:10,060
but unfortunately that's not the procedure that we have.

2053
02:51:11,100 --> 02:51:17,920
So what you have before you is basically the criteria that the code provides, which is consistent

2054
02:51:17,920 --> 02:51:24,380
and see with the plan, which hurts that say the proposal was consistent with the plan,

2055
02:51:24,380 --> 02:51:45,640
And then that leaves compatibility, which you've heard, different issues about, but with regard to the specific design, handling things like traffic, parking, the sewer store more, those would be addressed as site plan with the staff, experts in those areas.

2056
02:51:47,580 --> 02:51:52,260
Hopefully that helps give you some guidance for your decision tonight.

2057
02:51:52,660 --> 02:51:54,920
Certainly any questions you may have.

2058
02:51:55,260 --> 02:51:56,060
I'll try to help you answer.

2059
02:51:56,620 --> 02:51:57,420
Thank you.

2060
02:51:57,660 --> 02:51:58,180
Commissioner Louser.

2061
02:51:58,780 --> 02:51:59,380
Thank you, Mr. Zimmer.

2062
02:52:00,120 --> 02:52:00,700
That is helpful.

2063
02:52:01,260 --> 02:52:03,800
Although I am going to ask some dumb new guy questions.

2064
02:52:04,920 --> 02:52:06,360
This is the first reading, right?

2065
02:52:07,740 --> 02:52:10,840
And I saw kind of on the really fake timeline.

2066
02:52:11,260 --> 02:52:14,020
The second reading will be after site planning is done, right?

2067
02:52:14,020 --> 02:52:19,680
after county looks after the county looks after the process for this this has to go up to four

2068
02:52:19,680 --> 02:52:26,280
panels and then the county commission sitting as the county white planning authority to get a

2069
02:52:26,280 --> 02:52:29,860
approval before it'll come back to the city for a second we're getting gadgets.

2070
02:52:30,000 --> 02:52:35,180
Sight plan, will cannot be approved until you have approved this ordinance on secondary.

2071
02:52:35,660 --> 02:52:36,640
That's hard.

2072
02:52:37,760 --> 02:52:45,680
I mean, only having one way in and out of that community. At a certain point, at a certain level of

2073
02:52:45,680 --> 02:52:52,660
density, it does provide an issue with hearing fire trucks in and out paramedics.

2074
02:52:52,660 --> 02:52:58,700
And then also just plain old traffic like they said, but I think it's a safety issue.

2075
02:52:59,300 --> 02:53:02,660
I don't understand why there isn't another way out.

2076
02:53:02,740 --> 02:53:06,800
I mean, there isn't another road that connects to Starky.

2077
02:53:07,680 --> 02:53:10,480
I've been led to understand that it's gated off.

2078
02:53:12,480 --> 02:53:15,000
So I'd be a lot.

2079
02:53:15,180 --> 02:53:19,080
It'd be a lot easier to approve if there was another way out of that.

2080
02:53:19,100 --> 02:53:20,080
How do the complex?

2081
02:53:20,080 --> 02:53:25,420
I'll certainly develop for the applicants here that maybe can answer your question.

2082
02:53:25,800 --> 02:53:27,480
Yeah, I mean, is there been any

2083
02:53:32,700 --> 02:53:40,540
attempt to gain access to that, to alleviate some of the traffic and safety issues?

2084
02:53:40,760 --> 02:53:54,180
So that is not part of our client's private road, it's not their property, and so I understand that there's not been any, I don't maybe Bruce can speak to this more.

2085
02:53:54,180 --> 02:53:58,040
I don't know that it's been approached as a new development might be coming.

2086
02:53:58,260 --> 02:54:03,780
We want access, but I don't believe there's been any indication that they want any traffic

2087
02:54:03,780 --> 02:54:04,840
through their private road.

2088
02:54:04,960 --> 02:54:11,760
That's a specific question that's been asked numerous times before the city and any governing

2089
02:54:11,760 --> 02:54:18,840
body and that agreement, although I'm no attorney, obviously, and I don't have access to that

2090
02:54:18,840 --> 02:54:19,680
original agreement.

2091
02:54:19,680 --> 02:54:31,460
The original agreement was between the golf course developer back in the early 60s and the forced work community with the high ride is there to go through there to give them access for their use only

2092
02:54:31,460 --> 02:54:35,620
That's what was given to them and agreed to by the prosecutor as I understand

2093
02:54:37,980 --> 02:54:40,560
So I know right for I have four and two

2094
02:54:40,560 --> 02:54:49,120
I know that that question was asked by the golf like community. It's been asked by the country club kind of many communities well partial D

2095
02:54:49,720 --> 02:55:02,220
And I understand and completely understand why, you know, there's people that have access to that gain that the students be set up on residents there for whatever way they're using it.

2096
02:55:02,760 --> 02:55:15,880
But it's obviously something that would be advantageous to the community there, but in my understanding it's not my property and it's not allowed by an agreement that was 50 years or 60 years old.

2097
02:55:16,560 --> 02:55:21,420
I mean, I know you can't force it, but I would, I'm just asking if there is attempts,

2098
02:55:21,420 --> 02:55:27,220
attempts of them made to, I mean, if they're both private or property, I think I don't

2099
02:55:27,220 --> 02:55:31,300
know that I would become without having some advice and counsel on how we'd even think

2100
02:55:31,300 --> 02:55:32,540
about approaching that.

2101
02:55:32,600 --> 02:55:35,240
I don't think that would be, that's just the one property on right?

2102
02:55:35,660 --> 02:55:37,720
I don't see a great success in that.

2103
02:55:38,000 --> 02:55:38,080
Fair enough.

2104
02:55:38,100 --> 02:55:42,020
No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

2105
02:55:42,020 --> 02:55:49,440
that. So that my last part is just just a comment at the Cheryl lanes. I mean, painting lines on

2106
02:55:49,440 --> 02:55:53,860
a super narrow road doesn't make any safer. I don't disagree.

2107
02:56:00,000 --> 02:56:01,920
And if I could just shed a little

2108
02:56:01,920 --> 02:56:07,860
light on that. So the Cheryl lanes came through discussions with for panelists that was there.

2109
02:56:07,860 --> 02:56:14,960
I'm recommendation and request as part of that multi-modal index. So that's where that came from.

2110
02:56:14,960 --> 02:56:21,680
And certainly, you know, there is, you know, lots of research and people behind it that

2111
02:56:21,680 --> 02:56:27,680
say that the signage and the visibility that it causes certainly can add into the safety

2112
02:56:27,680 --> 02:56:29,020
factor there.

2113
02:56:29,560 --> 02:56:32,300
I did represent, do it the previous planning board meeting.

2114
02:56:32,760 --> 02:56:38,970
I'm currently in discussions with Duke Energy to give them the right to bring their

2115
02:56:38,970 --> 02:56:43,690
hardening wires from the new substation at the south and the

2116
02:56:43,690 --> 02:56:46,070
piling crops East Bay.

2117
02:56:46,350 --> 02:56:49,750
They want to cut for our property, not unlike the way the city

2118
02:56:49,750 --> 02:56:52,190
wanted to cut through our property with the replaying.

2119
02:56:52,430 --> 02:56:55,490
We offer a shortcut for a lot of people in terms of

2120
02:56:55,490 --> 02:56:55,690
underground.

2121
02:56:56,970 --> 02:57:00,550
The reason I mentioned that is that we're going to try to make

2122
02:57:00,550 --> 02:57:04,050
it stipulation on the ability to grant that type of an

2123
02:57:04,050 --> 02:57:08,650
access or easement to do, do that which is going to be

2124
02:57:08,650 --> 02:57:12,130
every surrounding area. You get hard and wires in there for storms. We're not going to lose

2125
02:57:12,130 --> 02:57:20,130
power. But I'm going to try to request that they consider strong streetlights along the whole

2126
02:57:20,130 --> 02:57:27,870
road. And there again, that isn't necessarily a part of our discussion here tonight, but it's

2127
02:57:27,870 --> 02:57:33,370
efforts on our part to do what we can to make improved country countries much as we can.

2128
02:57:33,710 --> 02:57:38,350
We're the party with the exposure, it's the one that's most interested in doing everything we can

2129
02:57:38,970 --> 02:57:41,350
They'll alleviate it, I think we can possibly give them.

2130
02:57:41,530 --> 02:57:43,550
And I'll also make one more comment on the traffic,

2131
02:57:43,590 --> 02:57:46,150
and this is something that has been addressed.

2132
02:57:48,450 --> 02:57:50,970
But back then, in the early 90s, there was a part

2133
02:57:50,970 --> 02:57:53,010
of three golf course associated with East Bay.

2134
02:57:53,250 --> 02:57:55,370
It was on the golf late property.

2135
02:57:55,670 --> 02:57:58,630
It's been such and so long, a different company,

2136
02:57:59,330 --> 02:57:59,810
and developed.

2137
02:58:00,690 --> 02:58:02,050
But the reason I mentioned that this country

2138
02:58:02,050 --> 02:58:04,890
of drive traffic studies had always included

2139
02:58:04,890 --> 02:58:07,950
an additional 50,000 golfers a year

2140
02:58:07,950 --> 02:58:12,210
the front and up and down East Bay of the down country club drive to East Bay.

2141
02:58:13,270 --> 02:58:19,610
And that, when that was when Carsel D was done developing and they started to develop

2142
02:58:19,610 --> 02:58:24,770
golf late on that golf course property, those traffic kept went away and it was

2143
02:58:24,770 --> 02:58:25,830
previously improved.

2144
02:58:26,870 --> 02:58:32,770
And I'm not a traffic expert, but I want to consider at least stating that my belief is

2145
02:58:32,770 --> 02:58:38,910
that the 50,000 counts of offer came all the rounds on the part of the part of the

2146
02:58:38,910 --> 02:58:40,230
part of the job.

2147
02:58:40,570 --> 02:58:46,730
It certainly wouldn't be less than the kind of many of the part of this proposed.

2148
02:58:46,990 --> 02:58:48,790
It was greatly greater and more.

2149
02:58:50,170 --> 02:58:51,090
Thank you.

2150
02:58:51,210 --> 02:58:51,670
Thank you.

2151
02:58:52,030 --> 02:58:52,290
Thank you.

2152
02:58:52,390 --> 02:58:52,730
Commissioner Johnson.

2153
02:58:53,930 --> 02:58:57,090
My question is about the road maintenance long-term plan.

2154
02:58:57,610 --> 02:59:02,690
You know, I'm curious to know again that, you know, how it would have

2155
02:59:02,690 --> 02:59:07,290
soon the you know the HOA would have been responsible for part of that road as well as

2156
02:59:07,290 --> 02:59:11,050
the call for us but that wasn't the way it was written and so that's not the way it's done.

2157
02:59:11,490 --> 02:59:15,730
So now now we've got now here is possible if we call of course it was possible for this road.

2158
02:59:16,050 --> 02:59:20,350
How are we going to keep it maintained? Well I think the representation that it hasn't

2159
02:59:20,350 --> 02:59:25,850
maintained at all is in the portable condition would go against the visits I get from

2160
02:59:25,850 --> 02:59:29,590
even the city of Largo pointing out something because we need to address and

2161
02:59:29,590 --> 02:59:34,250
I think what that's there jurisdiction or not, we take that seriously and get a drug.

2162
02:59:35,870 --> 02:59:42,590
I think the road is, but it's stated previously, I think 7.7 miles.

2163
02:59:43,930 --> 02:59:48,070
That road has been paved with an inch of overlay of asphalt.

2164
02:59:49,590 --> 02:59:52,750
I would say it's certainly 65% of the last five years.

2165
02:59:53,410 --> 02:59:56,030
So I would encourage all of you.

2166
02:59:58,790 --> 02:59:59,970
Well, I can...

2167
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:03,940
I'm going to show you the checks that we're attached to pay over the law and ask what we do.

2168
03:00:04,240 --> 03:00:13,940
None of us, none of us. I wouldn't encourage any one that's conserved with that issue along the maintenance to verify what I'm speaking.

2169
03:00:14,520 --> 03:00:22,920
I certainly happy to supply that reputation. That said, with the development with a curve, up and down that road.

2170
03:00:22,920 --> 03:00:30,100
It's starting to create. I get it. I understand completely and I stated that the planning work meeting that

2171
03:00:30,820 --> 03:00:35,160
I can't promise anything here, but it's going to be one of our goals to work with it, to

2172
03:00:35,160 --> 03:00:41,600
promote the developer, to co-operate, to make it to the road when it's on.

2173
03:00:42,940 --> 03:00:48,740
All right, sir. Thank you. Thank you. If we have any more questions, we'll bring it back up. I appreciate it.

2174
03:00:53,280 --> 03:00:55,460
Commissioner Dbrisley, please.

2175
03:00:56,560 --> 03:00:57,080
Thank you.

2176
03:00:57,520 --> 03:01:02,500
Two, Mr. Zimitz advice regarding the criteria.

2177
03:01:04,260 --> 03:01:06,820
The city staff is making a recommendation that they feel

2178
03:01:06,820 --> 03:01:09,520
that a music criterion is our job to interpret their

2179
03:01:10,420 --> 03:01:12,100
recommendation criteria as well.

2180
03:01:12,600 --> 03:01:14,160
Is that, is that, is that?

2181
03:01:14,160 --> 03:01:17,780
Yes, there's one of the pieces of, for lack of a better

2182
03:01:17,780 --> 03:01:20,720
and evidence that we have or things that you can consider

2183
03:01:20,720 --> 03:01:23,980
a lot of them, what was said by other people as well.

2184
03:01:24,640 --> 03:01:26,100
OK, thank you.

2185
03:01:26,880 --> 03:01:28,000
Thank you, Commissioner Oralk.

2186
03:01:28,800 --> 03:01:34,340
So my question was along the same as Mr. DeBrizy's.

2187
03:01:34,340 --> 03:01:37,760
I feel like sometimes one more given this input

2188
03:01:37,760 --> 03:01:41,240
is like, I feel like it should be like, no,

2189
03:01:41,640 --> 03:01:45,180
I think we shouldn't even, there's not enough information

2190
03:01:45,180 --> 03:01:50,000
And in my mind, for me to go forward on this.

2191
03:01:51,260 --> 03:01:53,720
I don't understand sometimes that way.

2192
03:01:55,320 --> 03:01:57,220
I feel like I'm here.

2193
03:01:57,680 --> 03:02:01,840
We need to have more information sometimes in a word

2194
03:02:01,840 --> 03:02:03,640
to make some of our decisions.

2195
03:02:05,200 --> 03:02:08,520
And it's not fair sometimes us, I feel,

2196
03:02:08,900 --> 03:02:12,520
it's my opinion, that I'm not given enough information

2197
03:02:12,520 --> 03:02:17,040
and to make it an honest decision on this,

2198
03:02:18,000 --> 03:02:19,920
and I'm having a hard time supporting this

2199
03:02:19,920 --> 03:02:23,200
because I feel like, you know, I was doing some of these numbers.

2200
03:02:23,480 --> 03:02:25,740
It's like, there's no traffic study.

2201
03:02:26,100 --> 03:02:28,140
The roads are atrocious of these pictures.

2202
03:02:28,360 --> 03:02:29,600
I've been on that road.

2203
03:02:30,360 --> 03:02:33,620
The traffic is not great coming in and out of there.

2204
03:02:34,040 --> 03:02:38,300
You're adding 104 units there.

2205
03:02:40,220 --> 03:02:48,300
There's no room for, you know, it's sidewalks and bike lanes aren't even an option when

2206
03:02:48,300 --> 03:02:49,140
you look at this.

2207
03:02:49,860 --> 03:02:57,220
So, I just have a really hard time supporting this at all, but I feel like am I supposed

2208
03:02:57,220 --> 03:03:04,360
to vote yes, because the process is supposed to go forward and allow other options.

2209
03:03:04,720 --> 03:03:05,340
Excuse me.

2210
03:03:05,340 --> 03:03:08,160
We can't help out people screaming in the answers out.

2211
03:03:08,800 --> 03:03:28,580
But please, you know, I just, it's just, it's very confusing to me sometimes because I, you know, I, I, I, I, for progress and, you know, I know, we, we have our here's housing housing. We need more housing for everybody. But, but at the same time, I don't want existing people to,

2212
03:03:28,580 --> 03:03:34,600
story about safety and two years of fire truck not being able to get to their house.

2213
03:03:34,680 --> 03:03:43,160
Maybe I'm overthinking this, I don't know, but I just need more information.

2214
03:03:44,380 --> 03:03:48,840
I feel like the planning board, I know the planning board was five, they voted for it.

2215
03:03:49,020 --> 03:03:55,520
But how much information were they truly given towards this process of what they're looking

2216
03:03:55,520 --> 03:03:58,520
to come up with a vote like that.

2217
03:03:59,160 --> 03:04:03,660
So most likely the plan board at this similar input that you've received.

2218
03:04:07,240 --> 03:04:10,660
Can I just address commercial comments briefly?

2219
03:04:13,380 --> 03:04:16,220
So I'm certainly not saying you have to approve this, though.

2220
03:04:16,700 --> 03:04:16,920
I know.

2221
03:04:17,560 --> 03:04:19,800
I think from some of the comments you made,

2222
03:04:19,880 --> 03:04:21,760
some of them would under the compatibility.

2223
03:04:23,120 --> 03:04:28,700
The criteria, if you look at the code, the nine criteria, I identified, you know, I highlighted a couple of them.

2224
03:04:29,120 --> 03:04:34,560
One of them was, as I said, was, the amendment shall only approve the parcel,

2225
03:04:34,800 --> 03:04:39,300
and subsequently be developed and full compliance with any applicable standards of the CDC.

2226
03:04:40,060 --> 03:04:44,320
So some of the things that you're saying seem like it might fall under that criteria.

2227
03:04:45,340 --> 03:04:49,000
That could lead you to the conclusion that this change is not compatible.

2228
03:04:51,760 --> 03:04:58,760
Again, the maintenance of the private road is not something that we control, our code doesn't govern that.

2229
03:04:59,680 --> 03:05:04,540
That's why some streets are in some subdivisions or private, they like it that way.

2230
03:05:06,860 --> 03:05:09,060
So that's not something you can consider.

2231
03:05:09,880 --> 03:05:16,820
But if you don't believe that, you know, based upon the information that you do have that they've shown that the

2232
03:05:16,820 --> 03:05:24,720
The development could be eventually approved because of the issues with the road and the traffic

2233
03:05:24,720 --> 03:05:29,300
and that they're not going to be able to solve those satisfaction today's code.

2234
03:05:30,140 --> 03:05:33,480
Then that would be a basis, for example, that you could say it's not compatible.

2235
03:05:35,800 --> 03:05:42,780
One thing, you know, just to remind yourself back in 1988, I can guarantee you how

2236
03:05:43,660 --> 03:05:50,300
requirements for roads, sidewalks, etc. We're nothing like that at the ones that exist

2237
03:05:50,300 --> 03:05:57,700
today, and we've learned a lot in the last 40 or so years. So today's code is going to be

2238
03:05:57,700 --> 03:06:03,540
much more stricter, much more demanding of a developer, in terms of that road, from

2239
03:06:03,540 --> 03:06:10,660
I've heard my guest is that road with not being acceptable today. But we can't go back and

2240
03:06:10,660 --> 03:06:17,880
change it. The question is, do we approve additional development, knowing that road is

2241
03:06:17,880 --> 03:06:22,760
sub-standered today's standards? And if they can't show that that road has the capacity

2242
03:06:22,760 --> 03:06:28,540
to meet today's standards after traffic study, then they're going to have a difficult time

2243
03:06:28,540 --> 03:06:30,300
getting a site plan approval.

2244
03:06:32,900 --> 03:06:34,880
So, hopefully I helped you.

2245
03:06:34,880 --> 03:06:38,100
No, I am not, I want to make sure you, I am not.

2246
03:06:38,200 --> 03:06:38,880
I do.

2247
03:06:38,880 --> 03:06:39,000
I do.

2248
03:06:41,540 --> 03:06:52,140
If it was approved today, then it goes one step further and, and the, some of these issues would be addressed.

2249
03:06:53,200 --> 03:06:55,020
And then it would come back to us.

2250
03:06:55,140 --> 03:06:58,900
And then it would, you know, so I'm thinking, I'm not going to get it out of the city.

2251
03:06:59,000 --> 03:07:02,320
I don't think you're going to have much more information tomorrow.

2252
03:07:02,320 --> 03:07:04,240
second reading they would you have now?

2253
03:07:04,520 --> 03:07:09,220
Okay, unless are they already or are they started the site plan approval process?

2254
03:07:09,440 --> 03:07:10,420
No, they haven't.

2255
03:07:10,580 --> 03:07:16,000
This is, and if it's okay, just to kind of clarify the process a little bit.

2256
03:07:16,440 --> 03:07:20,520
This is really focusing on the color change on the map,

2257
03:07:20,680 --> 03:07:22,460
not necessarily a concept.

2258
03:07:23,100 --> 03:07:28,360
So they're providing more information than we usually see during the future

2259
03:07:28,360 --> 03:07:29,500
just map a minute.

2260
03:07:30,000 --> 03:07:44,220
Sometimes we don't even have a concept. So that's what's making this a little more complex because what we're really looking at is what the impact of that specific future land use would have where they're proposing it.

2261
03:07:44,400 --> 03:07:53,180
So that's something to consider and part of what staff are going to do as we move through if this continues to move through the process.

2262
03:07:53,180 --> 03:08:10,300
It will go before a standard site plan review process where we have all of the subject matter experts weighing in on road width and I do want to just mention the 20 foot road width is actually compliant in width with our existing code.

2263
03:08:22,440 --> 03:08:23,160
Okay.

2264
03:08:23,160 --> 03:08:27,660
and if you prove it on first and second reading would approve the third amendment for declaration.

2265
03:08:28,680 --> 03:08:35,060
So the only difference is that while the concept is not something that they're going to be bound by,

2266
03:08:35,220 --> 03:08:46,180
104 units, is going to be established as what their rights, their maximum right would be on the property.

2267
03:08:47,420 --> 03:08:53,980
But the concept, they're not going to be bound by any concept they show you if they come up

2268
03:08:53,980 --> 03:08:58,540
a second reading with a plan of what they're going to build and they're sure you're

2269
03:08:58,540 --> 03:09:04,620
a nice beautiful picture as you might find it helpful but it's not going to be bound

2270
03:09:04,620 --> 03:09:05,420
by how to do it.

2271
03:09:05,640 --> 03:09:11,400
And that's generally why these traffic study is a requirement at the site plan review process

2272
03:09:11,400 --> 03:09:15,540
because that's when we have a final unit count that's when we know that they're actually

2273
03:09:15,540 --> 03:09:21,140
proposing, so they might not do this specific unit count.

2274
03:09:21,460 --> 03:09:25,980
So we always have the traffic study be paired with the site plan review process.

2275
03:09:26,100 --> 03:09:26,440
Okay.

2276
03:09:26,940 --> 03:09:27,920
Thank you.

2277
03:09:28,120 --> 03:09:33,000
What's the maximum allowable units per acre on that on residential medium?

2278
03:09:34,720 --> 03:09:34,920
15.

2279
03:09:35,220 --> 03:09:41,560
And so what's the, I mean, the this land use amendments for 1.6 acres?

2280
03:09:42,220 --> 03:09:42,800
Yes.

2281
03:09:42,800 --> 03:09:49,920
So how much additional and is being proposed to be developed on to get to the units that we're

2282
03:09:49,920 --> 03:09:50,900
talking about?

2283
03:09:52,870 --> 03:09:53,930
There's just on the one point.

2284
03:09:53,950 --> 03:09:55,110
It's just on the one point.

2285
03:09:55,110 --> 03:09:55,290
It's just on the one point.

2286
03:09:55,470 --> 03:09:55,770
Six acres.

2287
03:09:56,010 --> 03:10:01,150
The other portions of parcel E may be used for like the parking lot to support the residential units,

2288
03:10:01,450 --> 03:10:03,990
but only the one point six acres would be for the residential.

2289
03:10:05,290 --> 03:10:10,430
The future land use a minute south is not to get to higher density.

2290
03:10:11,030 --> 03:10:14,890
It's to be able to change the color in the map to locate the units.

2291
03:10:15,210 --> 03:10:16,010
I understand that.

2292
03:10:16,010 --> 03:10:21,850
And I understand that there was an agreement a long time ago for a number for site-wide.

2293
03:10:22,430 --> 03:10:28,570
And I'm curious what the mechanism would be to get from 15 units an acre to, you know,

2294
03:10:29,890 --> 03:10:33,610
52 units an acre, actually more than that, 55 units an acre.

2295
03:10:34,890 --> 03:10:38,770
If that's just, I don't know what that mechanism is in this particular case.

2296
03:10:38,770 --> 03:10:46,590
So, and you can correct me if I, but as I recall, the way this site is all developed,

2297
03:10:46,950 --> 03:10:51,490
we have to understand is that they looked at the entire project for the turn of the density.

2298
03:10:52,430 --> 03:10:56,690
So, you have, for example, golf course, sitting there.

2299
03:10:57,370 --> 03:11:04,130
This is not an, if you remember, pinecrisis is not that dissimilar for an apple with the pinecrisis golf course,

2300
03:11:04,130 --> 03:11:12,970
which the city now owns, but the density off of the was essentially will be considered

2301
03:11:12,970 --> 03:11:15,370
undeveloped property, the golf course,

2302
03:11:17,890 --> 03:11:19,210
is, again, this is, I don't know, I don't want

2303
03:11:19,210 --> 03:11:23,650
to use it as a legal term, essentially being transferred over or used on the other parcels.

2304
03:11:24,430 --> 03:11:30,430
So it's not from a land use planings, at the end point, under both the kind of way of planning

2305
03:11:30,430 --> 03:11:33,410
use rules and the city's code.

2306
03:11:33,910 --> 03:11:36,970
This property is not being developed or proposed to be developed

2307
03:11:36,970 --> 03:11:41,210
that 50-whatever units per acre because they look at

2308
03:11:41,210 --> 03:11:45,590
the entire project and that's how they originally

2309
03:11:45,590 --> 03:11:50,970
back in 1988, at 475 units, because they had to use

2310
03:11:50,970 --> 03:11:53,570
the whole property to get those units.

2311
03:11:53,690 --> 03:11:58,070
The question of where those were built is a different story.

2312
03:11:58,790 --> 03:12:00,070
It's okay, sense.

2313
03:12:00,430 --> 03:12:00,670
It does.

2314
03:12:01,630 --> 03:12:06,450
I mean, so the future land use residential medium could be residential estate.

2315
03:12:07,050 --> 03:12:10,710
It just happens to be what's there in proximity.

2316
03:12:10,710 --> 03:12:10,870
Yeah.

2317
03:12:12,070 --> 03:12:16,670
Because the number of units is based on the entire golf course property.

2318
03:12:17,750 --> 03:12:19,670
And 1985 is best.

2319
03:12:20,090 --> 03:12:20,850
So,

2320
03:12:24,370 --> 03:12:37,350
in some cases in the past, we've, the situations like this, we've established the start of work on a development agreement rather than just upfront with a future land use map amendment, and that would afford us.

2321
03:12:37,490 --> 03:12:46,810
I think that would afford us the opportunity to see more of what the agreement is going to be, more of what they're going to do, more of who's going to maintain the street, maybe to what level.

2322
03:12:46,810 --> 03:12:52,570
and so why is that not been considered in this case? Or has it been?

2323
03:12:52,750 --> 03:12:58,790
There actually was there is a development agreement. I don't know if our attorney wants to speak to that.

2324
03:12:58,870 --> 03:13:12,750
There is a development agreement already that was over this property and I believe that it has already met its term.

2325
03:13:13,510 --> 03:13:26,750
As I recall, so originally, again, this property in 1988 really pre-existed the real use of the oil in my period, so that's why the declaration of confidence was.

2326
03:13:27,370 --> 03:13:34,990
There was at some point, one of the amendments there was a development agreement that development agreements expired, or in help of years that right?

2327
03:13:35,070 --> 03:13:35,650
Yeah, I believe.

2328
03:13:36,910 --> 03:13:40,050
So the question now of having an development agreement.

2329
03:13:42,690 --> 03:13:49,170
It's an agreement, so it takes two parties, so we have to have an advocate wanting to

2330
03:13:49,170 --> 03:13:49,790
do a development.

2331
03:13:52,450 --> 03:13:59,070
So, what we do have, we teach them we can, we have to try to put some limitations in the

2332
03:13:59,070 --> 03:14:08,290
third amendment to the declaration, which I noticed wasn't attached to the agenda, but you

2333
03:14:08,290 --> 03:14:13,530
you will see on second reading, but in most of the addresses, the limitation, not in densities,

2334
03:14:13,650 --> 03:14:18,650
it doesn't address the traffic and things that we wouldn't typically address in development.

2335
03:14:20,810 --> 03:14:29,690
Certainly, you could ask the applicant if they'd be willing to come in and discuss a new development

2336
03:14:29,690 --> 03:14:37,890
agreement that might address some of the concerns that have been raised by the public

2337
03:14:39,910 --> 03:14:46,790
What I look at proposed land use changes, or future land use amendments.

2338
03:14:47,970 --> 03:14:50,270
I kind of look at them from the same lens.

2339
03:14:50,990 --> 03:14:54,110
Is this to benefit the community as a whole?

2340
03:14:55,230 --> 03:14:58,130
Or is it to benefit the current property on it?

2341
03:14:58,130 --> 03:14:59,610
Or the future property on it really?

2342
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:29,840
Sometimes they come with the government agreements, right on the government agreements. But the future land use changes with the plan to sell, right. And so, so the future land use map is a plan. It's a plan that we've established. We've worked on it. We've updated it. And people come to change that plan every now and then. And I think I look at it as is in the best interest of the whole community. So if the developer came and said and convinced the folks that are in the

2343
03:15:30,400 --> 03:15:36,620
This is the way that we're going to keep this golf course going for the next 30 years, and that's in the best interest of you guys.

2344
03:15:38,140 --> 03:15:40,500
Then we'd probably have a different crowd here.

2345
03:15:41,360 --> 03:15:45,720
Or no crowd walk, there would be home watching baseball because they're happy with it.

2346
03:15:46,500 --> 03:15:49,680
So I know that might be the reality.

2347
03:15:49,840 --> 03:15:55,220
I don't really know because I'm not in the golf course business, but I know similar golf courses are closing down around the country.

2348
03:15:55,220 --> 03:16:02,460
And, and, and I know that the people that buy condos on golf courses like the fact that there's a golf course there.

2349
03:16:02,880 --> 03:16:06,700
So, so, you know, is this in the best interest in the community?

2350
03:16:07,500 --> 03:16:08,020
I don't know.

2351
03:16:08,320 --> 03:16:09,000
I really don't know.

2352
03:16:09,320 --> 03:16:11,780
The community, the people that live there are telling us no.

2353
03:16:12,600 --> 03:16:15,900
The developer, well, they're telling us that they don't like it, right?

2354
03:16:17,400 --> 03:16:21,840
So, it's tough for me to, you know, like Mr. Hawke, it's tough for me to really make a decision

2355
03:16:21,840 --> 03:16:26,240
because my litmus has for future land use map changes

2356
03:16:27,020 --> 03:16:29,720
is it in the best interest of the community and I'm not sure.

2357
03:16:30,380 --> 03:16:33,020
It'll provide housing, we need housing, right?

2358
03:16:33,880 --> 03:16:37,160
But there's a lot of people in this room that live right there

2359
03:16:37,160 --> 03:16:39,220
that aren't happy with it.

2360
03:16:40,400 --> 03:16:43,040
Now, to me it's a little bit different than,

2361
03:16:43,700 --> 03:16:46,140
it's different because of future land use map amendment.

2362
03:16:47,520 --> 03:16:50,460
It's not moving a density bonus to get some density

2363
03:16:50,460 --> 03:16:53,460
in an activity center that we want to see more events housing in.

2364
03:16:54,920 --> 03:16:55,620
So that's where I am.

2365
03:16:56,420 --> 03:17:01,500
And I thought that perhaps a development agreement would get us to a better place

2366
03:17:02,620 --> 03:17:06,820
because the community would have more input on factors like,

2367
03:17:07,120 --> 03:17:10,360
hey, it'd be great to have a sidewalk down one of the sides of that road.

2368
03:17:10,860 --> 03:17:13,520
And whatever it is, I don't really know.

2369
03:17:13,840 --> 03:17:18,420
But that's not our pragative as just looking at a future land is mapped to.

2370
03:17:19,720 --> 03:17:24,680
I don't know, you look at me like you want to add something but now because you're talking, yeah.

2371
03:17:24,960 --> 03:17:25,340
Thank you.

2372
03:17:25,660 --> 03:17:29,100
No, that's my stance and so it's tough.

2373
03:17:30,120 --> 03:17:31,000
Commissioner DeBriesie.

2374
03:17:31,320 --> 03:17:32,320
Thank you.

2375
03:17:34,540 --> 03:17:36,180
Maybe I look at these a little bit different, Mayor.

2376
03:17:36,680 --> 03:17:39,540
And maybe I'm clouded by my time on the planning board.

2377
03:17:40,980 --> 03:17:47,820
But you know, I'm looking at this tonight as, you know, there's property rights issues and all kinds of things that come to play here.

2378
03:17:49,240 --> 03:17:55,860
But, you know, right now is, you know, looking at the land use, and I'm trying to focus on

2379
03:17:55,860 --> 03:18:03,800
that land's, that land's only, I know the site planning process can be exhaustive, and I

2380
03:18:03,800 --> 03:18:10,540
too think to our maybe issues down the road that no pun intended, that may or may not allow this to

2381
03:18:10,540 --> 03:18:12,780
get developed or may cause changes in proposed units.

2382
03:18:12,920 --> 03:18:17,280
I know they can max out 104, but it may at the end of day may not be for the handling, but I

2383
03:18:17,280 --> 03:18:22,140
I think that's a later process to that is going to be part of it, and it is exhaustive.

2384
03:18:22,880 --> 03:18:29,300
So I'm trying to look at it from that point of view and like I said, that's from my years in a planning board.

2385
03:18:29,560 --> 03:18:33,280
I've gotten used to thinking about it like that, but that's kind of how I'm looking at it.

2386
03:18:34,580 --> 03:18:35,180
Thank you.

2387
03:18:35,280 --> 03:18:36,200
Mr. Holmes.

2388
03:18:38,420 --> 03:18:39,220
Mr. Zimmerman.

2389
03:18:39,220 --> 03:18:48,260
And if we tonight, if we vote to disapprove this, it then goes back to the developer,

2390
03:18:49,080 --> 03:18:54,640
if they want to change the, if they want to modify the plan and resubmit, is that true?

2391
03:18:59,450 --> 03:19:02,950
Do we let them modify the application or they have to file a new application?

2392
03:19:03,650 --> 03:19:10,770
I believe they have to file a new application, so they would have to change what they

2393
03:19:10,770 --> 03:19:16,500
proposing, and again, all they're changing at this point is changing the land-use

2394
03:19:17,650 --> 03:19:24,000
designations for certain parcels on their property. They would have to change that.

2395
03:19:25,370 --> 03:19:33,130
I guess they could propose less density being transferred and give up more density

2396
03:19:33,130 --> 03:19:39,570
that they have, but some of the other issues that have been raised would not be addressed in

2397
03:19:39,570 --> 03:19:49,010
other land use plan change, the only vehicle we have available to us at this stage, they could

2398
03:19:49,010 --> 03:19:53,090
address some of those issues, as the mayor said, would be if the developer will end up

2399
03:19:53,090 --> 03:19:54,570
going to agree to a development agreement.

2400
03:19:55,250 --> 03:19:55,510
Okay.

2401
03:19:55,650 --> 03:20:02,150
Part of a development agreement, then it appears as one of the major problems here as the

2402
03:20:02,150 --> 03:20:08,530
You know, what if they decided to fix the road?

2403
03:20:09,590 --> 03:20:12,190
Does it have to go back to square one to do that?

2404
03:20:12,650 --> 03:20:14,770
I'm not sure what fixing the road is.

2405
03:20:15,250 --> 03:20:19,130
Again, our role, with regard to private roads,

2406
03:20:19,650 --> 03:20:25,910
is make sure it's designed properly to meet the needs of any new development.

2407
03:20:27,310 --> 03:20:31,490
We don't have a role in the maintenance of private roads.

2408
03:20:31,490 --> 03:20:35,170
Right, not that, but we're just, we're just, we're just telling them that's all.

2409
03:20:35,890 --> 03:20:36,990
Thank you.

2410
03:20:37,390 --> 03:20:37,830
This was Emmett.

2411
03:20:38,050 --> 03:20:38,470
You're all.

2412
03:20:39,730 --> 03:20:40,190
Okay.

2413
03:20:40,430 --> 03:20:42,030
I had two things I forgot one.

2414
03:20:42,850 --> 03:20:45,990
But was there a neighborhood meeting on this project?

2415
03:20:46,730 --> 03:20:51,530
There was a Carter C. Neighborhood Meeting, but not a neighborhood meeting type,

2416
03:20:51,530 --> 03:20:54,250
to the site plan reviews, so that would still be a requirement.

2417
03:20:54,570 --> 03:20:57,050
That was a courtesy and informational meeting.

2418
03:20:57,190 --> 03:21:00,730
But there was an opportunity for the developer just.

2419
03:21:01,230 --> 03:21:07,870
hear from these folks and get an opportunity to show them what they propose that they could hear.

2420
03:21:08,110 --> 03:21:09,610
Some of my comments have been heard tonight.

2421
03:21:09,850 --> 03:21:10,850
I think that was one of the questions.

2422
03:21:11,990 --> 03:21:12,490
Okay.

2423
03:21:16,810 --> 03:21:17,310
Please.

2424
03:21:20,000 --> 03:21:25,500
There are around just so I can at least address your question about the development agreement.

2425
03:21:26,560 --> 03:21:30,880
So what is a little bit unique in that my client this time is not really a developer.

2426
03:21:31,580 --> 03:21:33,200
They're the owner of the golf course.

2427
03:21:33,200 --> 03:21:40,160
And so if I had a developer that was coming forward and said this is exactly what I want to do and I want these variances

2428
03:21:40,160 --> 03:21:46,240
I need this height and I want to work with the city and come up with this holistic approach and development agreement

2429
03:21:46,240 --> 03:21:48,240
We would be able to do that.

2430
03:21:48,740 --> 03:21:57,100
What we have is a golf course owner that has some property rights to these vested units that's looking at how they can utilize those units

2431
03:21:57,100 --> 03:22:02,260
where they could potentially utilize them, and then it would essentially, he has been very

2432
03:22:02,260 --> 03:22:06,780
up front. He's not going to develop them himself, so he'll be looking for a developer that

2433
03:22:06,780 --> 03:22:12,400
would, and then he would be coming in and they would be abiding by your code. So they would,

2434
03:22:12,740 --> 03:22:18,300
you know, have to follow all of the requirements that you have already set forth as a city saying,

2435
03:22:18,300 --> 03:22:26,900
if you're going to develop in our city in these areas, this is what you have to do. And if they don't

2436
03:22:26,900 --> 03:22:29,740
You know, some kind of variance or waiver, or they're going to get denied.

2437
03:22:30,050 --> 03:22:44,210
But at this stage, the applicant is actually the golf course that's trying to find a way forward to preserve the golf course and to approve the golf course financially is going to need this influx of capital.

2438
03:22:44,210 --> 03:23:01,590
And, you know, while we do not think that the road maybe is as dismal as maybe said by some it certainly is a factor in the fact that without this additional capital things like that cannot be done to the level that they would like to do them.

2439
03:23:02,750 --> 03:23:05,970
So that is one of the reasons they're looking for this.

2440
03:23:05,970 --> 03:23:13,310
Again, that 1.6 acres is really just that color on the map that would allow where these units could go.

2441
03:23:13,690 --> 03:23:18,850
But that density calculation, as Mr. Zimit explained, was from the overall project.

2442
03:23:19,870 --> 03:23:22,330
And that's, you know, now is the clustering of them.

2443
03:23:22,470 --> 03:23:26,190
And these restrictions for the declaration of restrictions and cabinets,

2444
03:23:26,850 --> 03:23:30,970
those to some degree also operate somewhat like a development agreement.

2445
03:23:30,970 --> 03:23:35,570
and that only that area would be allowed to be used for multifamily.

2446
03:23:36,290 --> 03:23:41,590
The other portions of parcel see any would still be restricted to that recreation open space

2447
03:23:41,590 --> 03:23:43,270
and the corresponding amenities.

2448
03:23:43,570 --> 03:23:45,790
So it would have to remain a golf course.

2449
03:23:46,110 --> 03:23:52,650
There could be a clubhouse there or a pool or things that are associated with it, but it

2450
03:23:52,650 --> 03:23:56,850
protects that area so that they can't develop it some other way.

2451
03:23:57,570 --> 03:23:57,810
All right.

2452
03:23:58,050 --> 03:23:58,850
Thank you.

2453
03:23:58,850 --> 03:24:08,290
at a question for staff about, do you know how we got to 104 units, 104 units, how was that number established?

2454
03:24:08,830 --> 03:24:14,250
That is actually a good question for the property owner, that was the proposed number, and it's just...

2455
03:24:14,250 --> 03:24:15,230
So it's just a proposal.

2456
03:24:15,450 --> 03:24:16,890
Just by them.

2457
03:24:18,430 --> 03:24:23,970
And then I just wanted to make a comment about, like, I'm certainly a pro property rights.

2458
03:24:25,130 --> 03:24:37,130
But I've seen many times somebody buys a parcel that's undevelopable and then his that price tag and then comes to us with a proposal to change the land use.

2459
03:24:38,530 --> 03:24:43,810
And I think that's a situation happens all the time and that's not property rights.

2460
03:24:43,970 --> 03:24:49,990
They bought a bargain property and want to ask us to make it more something a lot more.

2461
03:24:49,990 --> 03:24:56,030
So that happens all I'm not saying that's happening here, but I really wish that the original

2462
03:24:56,030 --> 03:25:02,230
agreement if we could time travel would have a mechanism as how to get to this, right?

2463
03:25:02,230 --> 03:25:09,170
So if it said, you know, there was a mechanism to, because I don't know when the land use maps were made,

2464
03:25:09,550 --> 03:25:14,490
but they were largely made because that was what's existing at the time when they were made, right?

2465
03:25:15,010 --> 03:25:27,490
And then we all throw them as we do planning processes, but there was no mechanism in agreement to my understanding to how in the world they're going to get the dirt to put more homes on.

2466
03:25:29,350 --> 03:25:33,510
What's that process other than a future land use change, right?

2467
03:25:34,470 --> 03:25:35,230
So I'm not sure.

2468
03:25:35,810 --> 03:25:37,750
Mr. Zimmer, you're flashing up here again, sir.

2469
03:25:38,050 --> 03:25:38,730
We're going to say something.

2470
03:25:38,730 --> 03:25:40,870
I was actually, I'm still flashing from the floor.

2471
03:25:42,070 --> 03:25:44,750
I didn't want to, I remember the first item.

2472
03:25:45,990 --> 03:25:48,090
So, and I'll follow over what Ms. Runestein said.

2473
03:25:48,530 --> 03:25:51,610
So the golf course is just to be make sure

2474
03:25:51,610 --> 03:25:55,610
what it understands and feels more comfortable about this.

2475
03:25:55,610 --> 03:25:59,930
The golf course itself, whether you approve this tonight or not,

2476
03:26:00,270 --> 03:26:04,250
cannot itself be redeveloped without action

2477
03:26:04,250 --> 03:26:10,310
by this commission, Ford Reynolds, and the county, and county commission.

2478
03:26:11,350 --> 03:26:17,770
So I'm not saying it's impossible, but it would require you to approve it, it would require

2479
03:26:17,770 --> 03:26:23,710
Ford Reynolds approval, and it would require the county commission approval before that there

2480
03:26:23,710 --> 03:26:28,370
could be any density placed on the golf course.

2481
03:26:28,550 --> 03:26:33,750
And again, for those of you that were on, the commission, when pine crests was talking about

2482
03:26:33,750 --> 03:26:40,130
developing the golf course there. That issue came up and that development went away because

2483
03:26:40,130 --> 03:26:43,830
the golf course had transferred all of their development rights to the adjacent properties

2484
03:26:43,830 --> 03:26:51,970
where the community was built and the golf course remained undeveloped. I just want to

2485
03:26:51,970 --> 03:26:57,510
I know that's a concern. As a fellow golfer, I'd like to see the golf course is leaving.

2486
03:26:58,670 --> 03:27:00,630
and may I out the sugar with you?

2487
03:27:00,830 --> 03:27:02,410
If you go out and play the out these days,

2488
03:27:02,790 --> 03:27:03,110
it's amazing.

2489
03:27:03,330 --> 03:27:04,650
I'm going to be closer to the pandemic.

2490
03:27:05,070 --> 03:27:05,350
I think I'll...

2491
03:27:05,350 --> 03:27:07,470
I'm playing Goat next month at the mayor's golf tournament.

2492
03:27:08,810 --> 03:27:09,630
What's the new to date?

2493
03:27:09,650 --> 03:27:11,050
Because this would be a perfect commercial.

2494
03:27:12,470 --> 03:27:12,930
Made for scholarships.

2495
03:27:13,290 --> 03:27:14,250
Made for $3,000.

2496
03:27:14,350 --> 03:27:16,410
Made for $3,000.

2497
03:27:16,490 --> 03:27:21,170
So, and I think, you know, that is...

2498
03:27:21,170 --> 03:27:22,330
Everything you said is accurate,

2499
03:27:22,910 --> 03:27:25,890
but nothing prevents the golf course

2500
03:27:25,890 --> 03:27:30,850
from not being in golf course anymore if it just became open space.

2501
03:27:31,190 --> 03:27:32,370
Right, thank you for those of the golf courses.

2502
03:27:32,510 --> 03:27:36,310
Nothing will just like we don't require a public's main theme.

2503
03:27:36,490 --> 03:27:40,450
Keep open a public store where we can't require a golf course to keep our

2504
03:27:40,450 --> 03:27:42,630
breeding if they don't want to operate anymore.

2505
03:27:43,570 --> 03:27:45,710
But they wouldn't have development rights.

2506
03:27:45,770 --> 03:27:46,090
Correct.

2507
03:27:46,170 --> 03:27:46,770
Yeah, as it says.

2508
03:27:49,760 --> 03:27:50,020
Right.

2509
03:27:50,360 --> 03:27:53,120
But there's nothing, no lights up on my screen anymore.

2510
03:27:55,710 --> 03:28:22,750
I move to approve fluma 25-001, ordinance number 2025-17, a future land use map amendment for a 1.6 acre portion of the property located at 702 country club drive, finding that the proposed amendment meets the requirements of CDC's Section 4.5.3 for future landly use map amendments, subject to all staff recommendations.

2511
03:28:25,390 --> 03:28:27,570
It's at the motion, because it's different on mine.

2512
03:28:28,330 --> 03:28:29,910
I don't know, I was like, where did you leave me?

2513
03:28:29,910 --> 03:28:31,250
I don't know.

2514
03:28:33,470 --> 03:28:35,950
That's not, that didn't necessarily get second to me.

2515
03:28:36,410 --> 03:28:38,050
Yeah, it's because I must be reading off the line.

2516
03:28:40,030 --> 03:28:41,510
I'm getting there.

2517
03:28:42,730 --> 03:28:43,970
That'd be reading the motion, both of them.

2518
03:28:45,030 --> 03:28:46,210
I moved to approve.

2519
03:28:46,210 --> 03:28:57,170
Boarding is 20 25 to 17 out first reading transmit the amendment to the county by planning a authority CPA and schedule a second reading after repeat by the CPA.

2520
03:28:58,620 --> 03:28:59,180
Second.

2521
03:29:00,600 --> 03:29:03,280
I have a motion in a second any further discussion.

2522
03:29:06,350 --> 03:29:06,970
I'm seeing none.

2523
03:29:06,970 --> 03:29:08,630
Could you call the board please.

2524
03:29:09,150 --> 03:29:09,870
Commissioner Smith?

2525
03:29:10,330 --> 03:29:10,890
No.

2526
03:29:11,750 --> 03:29:12,630
Vice Mayor Holmes?

2527
03:29:12,990 --> 03:29:13,330
No.

2528
03:29:14,090 --> 03:29:14,830
Commissioner DeBrisie?

2529
03:29:14,990 --> 03:29:15,350
Yes.

2530
03:29:16,170 --> 03:29:16,650
Mayor Brown?

2531
03:29:16,990 --> 03:29:17,430
No.

2532
03:29:17,430 --> 03:29:19,430
Mr. Louser? No.

2533
03:29:19,710 --> 03:29:20,830
Mr. Hall? No.

2534
03:29:21,630 --> 03:29:22,850
Mr. Johnson? Yes.

2535
03:29:24,470 --> 03:29:25,650
Motion fails to five.

2536
03:29:27,010 --> 03:29:27,910
Thank you.

2537
03:29:38,730 --> 03:29:40,050
So just...

2538
03:29:40,050 --> 03:29:42,190
Technically that means the motion didn't pass.

2539
03:29:42,650 --> 03:29:45,390
So somebody should make a motion to disapprove.

2540
03:29:46,250 --> 03:29:48,150
And then then motion pass.

2541
03:29:48,290 --> 03:29:49,930
So you'll actually take an action.

2542
03:29:51,350 --> 03:29:52,170
You'll take an action.

2543
03:29:52,230 --> 03:29:53,250
You've not taken action.

2544
03:29:53,610 --> 03:29:53,690
You've not taken action.

2545
03:29:53,690 --> 03:29:54,310
You've not taken action.

2546
03:29:57,830 --> 03:29:59,970
I mean, look at the agenda item.

2547
03:30:00,240 --> 03:30:11,080
There's the alternative to move to disapproved. So if somebody who is voting majority in the mayor, could you make the motion to disapprove?

2548
03:30:11,480 --> 03:30:13,840
I thought I'm not getting approved.

2549
03:30:14,560 --> 03:30:16,220
No, because we...

2550
03:30:16,220 --> 03:30:20,560
I moved to disapproved.

2551
03:30:20,560 --> 03:30:25,640
So I moved to disapproved ordinance number 25-17 on first reading, transmit the amendment.

2552
03:30:26,200 --> 03:30:27,240
So the countywide planning authority?

2553
03:30:27,960 --> 03:30:29,500
We're not spending the minute.

2554
03:30:29,640 --> 03:30:29,900
All right.

2555
03:30:30,020 --> 03:30:31,100
And it does when I ended.

2556
03:30:31,900 --> 03:30:34,220
I'm going to just prove orders number twenty twenty five by seventeen.

2557
03:30:36,620 --> 03:30:39,940
Motion and a second to disapprove ordinance number twenty twenty five to

2558
03:30:39,940 --> 03:30:43,080
seventeen on first reading all in favor say aye.

2559
03:30:43,120 --> 03:30:43,680
Aye.

2560
03:30:43,900 --> 03:30:44,540
Any opposed?

2561
03:30:44,880 --> 03:30:45,160
No.

2562
03:30:45,760 --> 03:30:48,740
Motion passes five to.

2563
03:30:49,200 --> 03:30:49,900
Thank you.

2564
03:30:52,120 --> 03:30:53,860
Next up is.

2565
03:30:54,680 --> 03:30:55,680
Item number twenty three.

2566
03:30:57,500 --> 03:30:58,720
Good evening Mayor.

2567
03:30:58,720 --> 03:31:04,320
commissioners. The item before you is first reading of a proposed amendment to city

2568
03:31:04,320 --> 03:31:08,040
complement comprehensive development. If you guys are leaving, if you could please do

2569
03:31:08,040 --> 03:31:11,720
so quietly so we can move along. Appreciate it.

2570
03:31:13,800 --> 03:31:20,420
Good evening again. The item before you is the first reading of a proposed amendment

2571
03:31:20,420 --> 03:31:28,680
change to the city comprehensive development code specifically relating to flood

2572
03:31:28,680 --> 03:31:36,000
Most of the amendment are related changes that were recommended to us by the Florida Department

2573
03:31:36,000 --> 03:31:41,700
of Merchum Management. Every few years they review cities and municipalities, floodplain

2574
03:31:41,700 --> 03:31:46,620
ordinances. So that's where most of this comes from. However, there is one staff proposal

2575
03:31:46,620 --> 03:31:51,620
of the change of removing the higher standard five year tracking or look back period as some

2576
03:31:51,620 --> 03:31:58,080
call it for the definition of substantial damage and substantial improvement. Now it's important

2577
03:31:58,080 --> 03:32:05,260
to note that this change would leave the ordinance in compliance with FEMA, CRS, the community

2578
03:32:05,260 --> 03:32:07,400
rating system, and the Florida Building Code.

2579
03:32:08,500 --> 03:32:13,960
These changes specifically are on exhibit B page 1 and 2 and exhibit C page 12.

2580
03:32:14,800 --> 03:32:18,980
Now I have a 45-minute slide presentation for you, okay, not really.

2581
03:32:19,620 --> 03:32:21,760
Very short slide presentation that we'll go over.

2582
03:32:23,650 --> 03:32:31,530
So, short, a little bit of background, the city entered into our joined the National Flood Insurance Program in 1971.

2583
03:32:32,470 --> 03:32:42,270
The last time it was revised was in 2019 and again, it was because of the ordinance that changes recommended by Florida Department of Emergency Management.

2584
03:32:45,980 --> 03:32:53,720
The next slide of the current floodplain ordinance, it's required so that we can participate in the National Flood Insurance Program,

2585
03:32:53,720 --> 03:32:56,880
which is an important thing to have.

2586
03:33:00,330 --> 03:33:01,850
I'm almost covered with some of her stuff.

2587
03:33:02,030 --> 03:33:02,610
I don't want to do that.

2588
03:33:03,790 --> 03:33:08,150
So what has been changed along with the items that are recommended,

2589
03:33:08,690 --> 03:33:11,970
which are mostly grammatical and moving things around in the ordinance

2590
03:33:11,970 --> 03:33:15,710
to keep it a compliance with FEMA and the CRS program,

2591
03:33:16,210 --> 03:33:19,750
the change of removing the five year look back is being proposed.

2592
03:33:20,370 --> 03:33:22,850
And again, this does not affect

2593
03:33:23,650 --> 03:33:25,470
compliance with any of the codes.

2594
03:33:27,550 --> 03:33:31,310
Now, the consequences of not having an ordinance are pretty substantial.

2595
03:33:31,830 --> 03:33:37,830
So the what if question, what if we don't manage our floodplains according to our ordinance,

2596
03:33:38,170 --> 03:33:40,370
CRS program in the Florida Building Code?

2597
03:33:40,830 --> 03:33:44,590
Worst case, we're removed from the flood insurance program.

2598
03:33:45,170 --> 03:33:47,390
What that would do with mean loss of federal funds.

2599
03:33:47,450 --> 03:33:51,250
People wouldn't be able to get loans by houses in the floodplain area.

2600
03:33:51,970 --> 03:33:55,150
If we were just to be put on probation, we're not

2601
03:33:55,150 --> 03:33:56,550
complying with codes.

2602
03:33:57,330 --> 03:33:58,810
It would cost the customers.

2603
03:33:59,690 --> 03:34:04,930
They would have to pay a search charge on top of what they're paying now.

2604
03:34:05,770 --> 03:34:07,250
Now, that was my short part.

2605
03:34:07,370 --> 03:34:08,470
Now, we just got a little bit for you.

2606
03:34:10,050 --> 03:34:14,110
Staff brought this to the work session on March 11, 2025.

2607
03:34:14,690 --> 03:34:18,650
And we will hold a special meeting planning board

2608
03:34:18,650 --> 03:34:26,690
leading on April 10th to continue on through that this expedited schedule and staff anticipate

2609
03:34:26,690 --> 03:34:34,550
bringing to the City Commission for second reading on April 15th. The CRS visit, which is critical,

2610
03:34:34,850 --> 03:34:44,170
is April 29th and that's when they review our process. So staff, recommend approval of ordinance

2611
03:34:44,170 --> 03:34:47,670
2025-20 and are available for questions.

2612
03:34:48,390 --> 03:34:52,750
Ordinance number of 2025-20 and ordinance of the City of Lordle, Florida,

2613
03:34:53,010 --> 03:34:55,410
amending the comprehensive development code chapter 11,

2614
03:34:55,690 --> 03:34:58,030
stormwater and floodplain management standards,

2615
03:34:58,610 --> 03:35:01,530
chapter 18 construction standards and property maintenance,

2616
03:35:01,990 --> 03:35:04,110
and chapter 20 definitions and acronyms

2617
03:35:04,110 --> 03:35:07,910
to repeal cumulative substantial improvement determinations,

2618
03:35:08,390 --> 03:35:11,410
clarifying requirements for elevation of manufactured homes,

2619
03:35:11,410 --> 03:35:16,550
We format a local amendment to the Florida building code and amend definitions for consistency,

2620
03:35:17,330 --> 03:35:21,730
providing for applicability and severability and providing for an effective date.

2621
03:35:22,330 --> 03:35:23,350
Thank you, do we have any cards on this?

2622
03:35:23,450 --> 03:35:24,910
We have one card, Matt Fustini.

2623
03:35:33,110 --> 03:35:33,530
Good evening.

2624
03:35:34,050 --> 03:35:36,350
Matt Fustini, 1015, Mike Fumshad Largo.

2625
03:35:37,330 --> 03:35:42,770
I'm in full support of this ordinance and in regards to this ordinance, I am speaking for myself

2626
03:35:42,770 --> 03:35:44,810
and not as a member of the planning board.

2627
03:35:46,750 --> 03:35:52,830
However, I do think it is important for us to look towards the future and we're going

2628
03:35:52,830 --> 03:35:57,170
to have future flood planning ordinance amendments we're going to need to make.

2629
03:35:57,510 --> 03:36:03,830
There's a lot of say that is, I urge you all to go on YouTube, look up the big sea, which

2630
03:36:03,830 --> 03:36:08,590
is a barrier island, intergovernmental council. They held a meeting.

2631
03:36:08,590 --> 03:36:18,830
And Mayor Gibbs Gettis, right out 29 pages of preemption that the state is considering on

2632
03:36:18,830 --> 03:36:26,830
land use zoning, permitting, even changing, even making it so we can't even change our code.

2633
03:36:27,970 --> 03:36:32,230
After a disaster was on the table, I'm not clear that a lot of our officials got the message

2634
03:36:32,230 --> 03:36:38,170
across that, hey, we have emergency situation reminding you to have a building to issue stuff

2635
03:36:38,170 --> 03:36:43,910
might have to make changes and got people to realize they weren't thinking. So we're going

2636
03:36:43,910 --> 03:36:48,970
to have more of these changes coming up. And one big thing I think we need to look at is

2637
03:36:48,970 --> 03:36:55,250
non-plated mobile homes. Mobile homes make a 30% of our housing stock. And if they are not

2638
03:36:55,250 --> 03:36:59,670
plated, they don't have. They probably appreciate that. They're a little structural about you.

2639
03:36:59,970 --> 03:37:05,710
Press to make an ST determination. And now as county has 2,000 of these homes they're struggling

2640
03:37:05,710 --> 03:37:12,710
right now. So this is something that we should be looking to get ahead of. Last

2641
03:37:12,710 --> 03:37:18,330
time just get a divert for a second. I do just, there was some comments made

2642
03:37:18,330 --> 03:37:23,530
about the planning board on the previous item. And I just want to say, our last

2643
03:37:23,530 --> 03:37:29,830
planning board meeting on that item was almost two hours. We spent an hour and 52.

2644
03:37:30,000 --> 03:37:41,580
At that planning board meeting, I as chair allowed people to speak who didn't even attend the meeting because we were so packed and allowed a special exemption.

2645
03:37:42,420 --> 03:37:51,280
So I just want to make it clear that the planning board did take the time to listen to these residents and hear everything that they had to say.

2646
03:37:52,800 --> 03:37:54,260
And that's it. Thank you.

2647
03:37:54,460 --> 03:37:57,480
Thank you. And we appreciate your service on the planning board.

2648
03:37:59,140 --> 03:38:16,190
Commissioner Johnson. Yeah, I'm supportive of this change. I do want to say that I think eventually we're going to need a look at like properties that flood year after year and that are damaged by flooding year after year is something we'd have to you know may have to look at

2649
03:38:17,180 --> 03:38:29,120
doing something different. I understand for this meeting and for this time we need to get this past right now. But I do think that's something we can't like ignore or kick down the road forever. I think that's something we probably need to do.

2650
03:38:29,120 --> 03:38:35,180
to look at the next year to figure out what that really looks like for us as a community

2651
03:38:35,180 --> 03:38:42,320
a long term, but I am absolutely supportive of making this change for now because of the

2652
03:38:42,320 --> 03:38:47,700
emergency we're in and for this one hopefully once in a very long time plus flooding that

2653
03:38:47,700 --> 03:38:48,580
we had here.

2654
03:38:49,320 --> 03:38:50,480
So that's all I've got.

2655
03:38:50,800 --> 03:38:51,580
Thank you.

2656
03:38:51,880 --> 03:38:52,000
Thank you.

2657
03:38:52,220 --> 03:38:52,480
Commissioner Debrise.

2658
03:38:52,820 --> 03:38:54,440
Thank you.

2659
03:38:54,780 --> 03:38:59,100
Just confirming my, when I'm pretty sure I know that we're going out of order, these special

2660
03:38:59,100 --> 03:39:00,900
planning board meetings advisory.

2661
03:39:01,860 --> 03:39:03,960
Yes, this is and it by three.

2662
03:39:04,200 --> 03:39:04,360
Okay.

2663
03:39:04,740 --> 03:39:04,920
Yeah.

2664
03:39:04,920 --> 03:39:04,940
Yeah.

2665
03:39:04,940 --> 03:39:05,380
I have prepared this.

2666
03:39:05,440 --> 03:39:05,600
Good.

2667
03:39:09,040 --> 03:39:10,000
Thank you.

2668
03:39:10,000 --> 03:39:10,800
Thank you.

2669
03:39:10,860 --> 03:39:12,080
If we wanted to do this question.

2670
03:39:13,300 --> 03:39:15,440
Just double check it.

2671
03:39:15,820 --> 03:39:16,440
The other questions.

2672
03:39:16,800 --> 03:39:20,460
I moved to approve ordinance number 2025 dash 20 on first reading.

2673
03:39:20,640 --> 03:39:24,140
Schedule a second reading public hearing on April 15, 2021.

2674
03:39:25,040 --> 03:39:25,460
Second.

2675
03:39:26,260 --> 03:39:26,840
I have a motion.

2676
03:39:27,080 --> 03:39:27,300
Second.

2677
03:39:27,600 --> 03:39:28,060
All in favor.

2678
03:39:28,060 --> 03:39:34,080
say aye. Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes 70. Thank you. Thank you. Next is ordinance number

2679
03:39:34,080 --> 03:39:35,660
2025-21.

2680
03:39:48,890 --> 03:39:55,330
You're favorite item of the night. Last one. The last one. Good evening, Mayor

2681
03:39:55,330 --> 03:40:01,630
commission. The second for you is asking for approval of a five year lease renewal of the cell tower

2682
03:40:01,630 --> 03:40:08,710
site with SPACL LLC and they're located at our West Waste Water Facility. I will tell you

2683
03:40:08,710 --> 03:40:12,150
the Fourth Amendment to the agreement and the last.

2684
03:40:13,170 --> 03:40:18,030
And the compensation is in line with the market, and I will also tell you it's in line with

2685
03:40:18,030 --> 03:40:20,190
the other cell tower we have at public works.

2686
03:40:21,030 --> 03:40:25,330
More importantly, I talked with staff and they have had no problems with continuing operations

2687
03:40:25,330 --> 03:40:26,990
at the wastewater facility.

2688
03:40:27,550 --> 03:40:29,070
I'm available for any questions.

2689
03:40:29,850 --> 03:40:35,750
Ordnance number 2025-21 and Ordnance of the City of Largo, Florida, approving the Fourth Amendment

2690
03:40:35,750 --> 03:40:38,910
to PCS side agreement and providing for an effective basis.

2691
03:40:39,330 --> 03:40:40,290
Thank you to many cards.

2692
03:40:40,570 --> 03:40:41,150
We have no cards.

2693
03:40:41,830 --> 03:40:42,250
Any questions?

2694
03:40:42,730 --> 03:40:46,570
I moved to a full board in December, 2025, 21 on first reading,

2695
03:40:46,790 --> 03:40:50,750
and scheduled a second reading and public hearing on May 6, 2025.

2696
03:40:51,190 --> 03:40:51,490
Second.

2697
03:40:52,370 --> 03:40:53,310
All in favor say aye.

2698
03:40:53,550 --> 03:40:53,730
Aye.

2699
03:40:53,890 --> 03:40:54,530
Any opposed?

2700
03:40:55,270 --> 03:40:56,070
Motion passes, 70.

2701
03:40:56,390 --> 03:40:56,910
Great work.

2702
03:40:57,170 --> 03:40:59,150
How do you draw the short straw on me that very much?

2703
03:41:00,730 --> 03:41:01,490
Lucky, I guess.

2704
03:41:03,470 --> 03:41:05,650
Mr. Zemann, anything to ask?

2705
03:41:06,170 --> 03:41:07,210
I guess that enough tonight.

2706
03:41:07,610 --> 03:41:07,850
All right.

2707
03:41:08,550 --> 03:41:09,470
Thank you.

2708
03:41:09,690 --> 03:41:10,390
Vice Mayor Hollis.

2709
03:41:11,170 --> 03:41:11,970
I've said enough.

2710
03:41:12,750 --> 03:41:13,230
Thank you.

2711
03:41:13,510 --> 03:41:14,070
Commissioner DeBrizi.

2712
03:41:15,290 --> 03:41:16,050
I haven't said enough.

2713
03:41:17,390 --> 03:41:21,700
Just the, I do want to thank the city

2714
03:41:22,380 --> 03:41:24,280
for recognizing child abuse prevention

2715
03:41:24,280 --> 03:41:24,720
month.

2716
03:41:25,080 --> 03:41:25,560
That's the field.

2717
03:41:25,660 --> 03:41:27,640
That's by career in the area that I work in

2718
03:41:27,640 --> 03:41:30,400
and the encouragement for both to wear blue and April 4

2719
03:41:30,400 --> 03:41:34,640
and on our job prevention, it's something that I spoke about

2720
03:41:34,640 --> 03:41:38,340
during my campaign to get up here and I appreciate the city participating

2721
03:41:38,340 --> 03:41:42,440
and encouraging it to have to be aware of how the impact

2722
03:41:42,440 --> 03:41:46,000
of job abuse in our community as well as the communities surrounding us.

2723
03:41:47,780 --> 03:41:48,740
Thank you.

2724
03:41:48,920 --> 03:41:49,280
Thank you.

2725
03:41:49,400 --> 03:41:50,000
Thank you, Commissioner Louser.

2726
03:41:51,240 --> 03:41:53,300
I haven't said enough yet either, I guess.

2727
03:41:53,700 --> 03:41:58,020
So thanks to the city, thanks for the residents for coming out and speaking

2728
03:41:58,020 --> 03:42:05,600
about the library topic, I mean, it's been a hot topic all week, so it's nice to see the support for

2729
03:42:05,600 --> 03:42:10,520
football sites and the fact that we can have a civil debate still nobody knows me through any

2730
03:42:10,520 --> 03:42:15,800
fish. It was good. Also, I wanted to remind everybody about the Largo golf course, it's continuing

2731
03:42:15,800 --> 03:42:21,660
their concert series on the breezeway. April 18th, guilty pleasure, and C. Dog Cantina will be playing

2732
03:42:21,660 --> 03:42:23,660
6 p.m. and 9 p.m.

2733
03:42:24,760 --> 03:42:25,300
Be there, be square.

2734
03:42:25,700 --> 03:42:26,740
Thank you.

2735
03:42:27,340 --> 03:42:28,060
Mr. Olk.

2736
03:42:28,760 --> 03:42:30,080
Just real quick.

2737
03:42:30,820 --> 03:42:33,220
Congratulations to our young

2738
03:42:33,220 --> 03:42:35,900
ceremony and to Lieutenant

2739
03:42:35,900 --> 03:42:37,340
Stark on his promotion.

2740
03:42:37,540 --> 03:42:38,980
They probably have been to

2741
03:42:39,520 --> 03:42:41,800
ten falls since they were here.

2742
03:42:42,000 --> 03:42:43,660
Getting sworn in.

2743
03:42:45,840 --> 03:42:48,580
Also, largely great job.

2744
03:42:48,780 --> 03:42:50,440
They've done getting us to the

2745
03:42:50,440 --> 03:42:58,340
level certification again and everybody who came out tonight in the scope until we ask for all

2746
03:42:58,340 --> 03:43:03,420
the time. The city part of the citizen part of the patient and it was great to see

2747
03:43:03,420 --> 03:43:09,400
everybody out here and hear everybody's news. We appreciate it. Thank you.

2748
03:43:10,860 --> 03:43:17,880
Thank you. Mr. Johnson. I wanted to echo our fellow commissioners on congratulations to our firefighters

2749
03:43:17,880 --> 03:43:22,060
And we tend to start also, yes, of course, it's great to have this.

2750
03:43:22,740 --> 03:43:27,240
So many citizens come out tonight and share their thoughts on our library and proud of our library.

2751
03:43:27,760 --> 03:43:29,780
I'm proud of the team that we have there.

2752
03:43:30,040 --> 03:43:32,160
And the way we run our business and the city of Largo.

2753
03:43:32,860 --> 03:43:37,060
So I do greatly appreciate the support our citizen showed us tonight.

2754
03:43:37,460 --> 03:43:44,140
And but also was glad to hear both sides come out and talk about the issue that they're passionate about.

2755
03:43:44,840 --> 03:43:52,400
I also wanted to say that I prefer sourcing a golf tournament coming up soon at the Margo golf course.

2756
03:43:53,200 --> 03:43:56,040
So the benefit of the children's burn foundation, so we're excited about that.

2757
03:43:56,140 --> 03:43:57,200
I think that's in about two weeks.

2758
03:43:59,140 --> 03:44:00,080
Mark your camp, Hunter.

2759
03:44:00,940 --> 03:44:01,600
Thank you.

2760
03:44:01,840 --> 03:44:02,400
Commissioner Smith.

2761
03:44:02,820 --> 03:44:04,560
Just congratulations, Lieutenant Stark.

2762
03:44:05,220 --> 03:44:06,760
I've known Billy for a long time.

2763
03:44:06,860 --> 03:44:08,580
I went to high school with him.

2764
03:44:08,580 --> 03:44:11,160
So we haven't long discussions with him.

2765
03:44:11,160 --> 03:44:18,480
anything. So I congratulate him and everybody, all the other new firefighters to join

2766
03:44:18,480 --> 03:44:24,940
Margaret. Y'all had that, sir, I'm money. Thank you for the National Library month. It's

2767
03:44:24,940 --> 03:44:29,680
your, you know, the person I'm like, it's near and dear to my heart. Libraries are passionate,

2768
03:44:30,120 --> 03:44:38,040
you get sticks. Near and dear to my heart, as someone works in a library, our staff to a fantastic

2769
03:44:38,040 --> 03:44:42,740
a job, and I go to meetings and talk to citizens that come into libraries in our staff

2770
03:44:42,740 --> 03:44:44,000
is complimented.

2771
03:44:44,040 --> 03:44:49,540
And our library is, like, one, twenty-eighteen year of the library the year for our state.

2772
03:44:50,520 --> 03:44:53,860
If you get a chance to stop out there, thank our library staff for the great job they do,

2773
03:44:54,000 --> 03:44:57,980
and the programs they offer, and not only just them, the volunteers that come out and dedicate

2774
03:44:57,980 --> 03:44:59,960
their time to do what they do.

2775
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:11,180
With our library. Some people don't know. I like to say you can check out 50 items at one time on your library card. It's good for three years. You can get audio books all the way to DVDs to even check out museum passes.

2776
03:45:12,100 --> 03:45:17,560
That's something new, recently new, but they've added some new museums. I think our citizens and everybody would enjoy that.

2777
03:45:17,980 --> 03:45:25,580
One last other thing is I would like to thank the Commission for allowing me to be appointed as the New Sancos League of Cities delegate representative.

2778
03:45:25,580 --> 03:45:33,580
I look forward to that and I'll work with them to advance our causes for Largo and then we'll last thing.

2779
03:45:36,120 --> 03:45:40,980
I love seeing the citizen comment that it's something near and dear to my heart also.

2780
03:45:41,280 --> 03:45:44,200
I like seeing people come out and talk to their viewpoints.

2781
03:45:44,520 --> 03:45:46,500
And what I loved about here was everybody was civil.

2782
03:45:46,920 --> 03:45:47,380
That is all.

2783
03:45:48,380 --> 03:45:53,000
And to that gentleman who sat there was a little afraid to say his views, you should never be afraid to say your views.

2784
03:45:53,000 --> 03:45:57,340
as long as they're correct and they're passionate and you care about your community.

2785
03:45:58,520 --> 03:46:03,260
Now we may disagree on stuff, but I think our staff do a fantastic job over at this library,

2786
03:46:03,640 --> 03:46:06,780
what they provide. Now what was in that letter I disagree with.

2787
03:46:06,860 --> 03:46:09,340
It was mainly in our youth department area.

2788
03:46:10,580 --> 03:46:19,560
And I think the mayor's letter hit right on the ball, I guess, to the representative.

2789
03:46:19,560 --> 03:46:26,500
I disagree with his letter he sent back and have concerns with that if anybody has questions relating to the

2790
03:46:26,500 --> 03:46:30,700
Largo Library collection development policy. It's online on their community needs.

2791
03:46:31,380 --> 03:46:37,860
It's quite long. It's almost two pages long and also anybody who has a disagreement with the collection as the Commission liaison.

2792
03:46:38,620 --> 03:46:45,700
I've been there for quite a while. Our library board take their job very seriously when a citizen brings a challenge to a book.

2793
03:46:45,700 --> 03:46:50,840
So, if a citizen has a challenge to a book, they can actually fill out a statement of concern form.

2794
03:46:51,300 --> 03:46:59,000
This form goes to the Library of Advisory Board for Review, the Library of Advisory Board will discuss the item,

2795
03:46:59,160 --> 03:47:04,980
and will submit a written recommendation to Library Director to remove or relocate or keep the item.

2796
03:47:05,600 --> 03:47:10,100
From that point, the Library Director will make a final decision based on the recommendations of the Library of Advisory Board.

2797
03:47:10,100 --> 03:47:13,720
So if someone has a concern about a library material,

2798
03:47:14,200 --> 03:47:18,020
know that our library staff have this there and they are willing to

2799
03:47:18,020 --> 03:47:22,080
anybody can get one of these submitted and have our library board that are

2800
03:47:22,080 --> 03:47:26,180
citizens on our board that each one of us have appointed to make a decision on if

2801
03:47:26,180 --> 03:47:27,780
this is beneficial to our library.

2802
03:47:28,300 --> 03:47:30,060
Again, our staff does a fantastic job.

2803
03:47:31,160 --> 03:47:34,760
I could give them praise and praise and praise.

2804
03:47:35,500 --> 03:47:37,800
The representative he would like when he comes back from Tallahassee.

2805
03:47:37,800 --> 03:47:41,180
I would love to do a tour with him of our library, and

2806
03:47:41,180 --> 03:47:44,580
Bob Moran, have a conversation about what great things we have to write at our library,

2807
03:47:44,900 --> 03:47:46,460
and what our citizens love about our library.

2808
03:47:46,560 --> 03:47:48,080
So that's all I have, and thank you very much.

2809
03:47:48,980 --> 03:47:54,520
Thank you, took all my stuff, so I'm not going to, I just want to thank you all for the support,

2810
03:47:56,200 --> 03:48:03,600
the public, I met with Representative Jax, three times and once we could have, we just don't see

2811
03:48:04,920 --> 03:48:07,600
I don't know if he's been to our library.

2812
03:48:15,060 --> 03:48:20,360
I spent, sorry, I spent an hour there today.

2813
03:48:28,380 --> 03:48:30,660
I just think it's like political posturing

2814
03:48:30,660 --> 03:48:31,860
and it's unfortunate.

2815
03:48:35,320 --> 03:48:37,360
So I appreciate this port.

2816
03:48:38,700 --> 03:48:42,500
I know that I wrote a letter in response without talking

2817
03:48:42,500 --> 03:48:43,140
you all.

2818
03:48:43,280 --> 03:48:45,300
I know that he won the letter about three days before.

2819
03:48:45,300 --> 03:48:52,520
I got one too, I think, and I didn't commit to anything other than what we're already doing.

2820
03:48:54,960 --> 03:48:57,220
I have my kids spend a lot of time at the library,

2821
03:48:59,840 --> 03:49:03,320
and, you know, the next time you talk to him,

2822
03:49:03,460 --> 03:49:05,140
you need to ask him one question.

2823
03:49:05,840 --> 03:49:07,300
Who told him that?

2824
03:49:08,300 --> 03:49:10,120
Because he got a hold of me.

2825
03:49:10,320 --> 03:49:15,460
He got a hold of me, and I said, Bernie, unless I see it, I haven't seen it.

2826
03:49:15,460 --> 03:49:23,350
Yeah, yeah, okay, and I don't disagree with you and and just the way the whole thing went on about was just an appropriate I think

2827
03:49:24,940 --> 03:49:28,140
Who met two days before he posted this thing on Facebook

2828
03:49:29,120 --> 03:49:31,940
The way I learned about the letter that was sent to our city was

2829
03:49:32,580 --> 03:49:35,510
Friends took screenshots of his Facebook page and

2830
03:49:36,440 --> 03:49:40,640
And sent him to me. Hey, you've seen this yet. That's not the way I do business. So

2831
03:49:40,640 --> 03:49:44,960
I mean, it is what it is. I'm proud of our library and

2832
03:49:44,960 --> 03:49:52,320
continue to do great work. I know they're going to take a look good look at and they already have at their collections and and

2833
03:49:52,320 --> 03:50:03,060
their processes and their policies and they may come back with some recommended changes. They may not but I have no doubt that they'll do what's right

2834
03:50:03,060 --> 03:50:11,480
Mr. Kurt. I hope shred fest was also on my things April 12, which is really soon

2835
03:50:11,480 --> 03:50:12,980
April 12, shred fest.

2836
03:50:12,980 --> 03:50:17,980
Starkey Road, nine to noon, or until the truck fills up.

2837
03:50:19,540 --> 03:50:19,700
Anything?

2838
03:50:20,300 --> 03:50:20,780
Nothing there.

2839
03:50:21,020 --> 03:50:21,580
Thank you.

2840
03:50:21,660 --> 03:50:22,280
Any action items?

2841
03:50:22,560 --> 03:50:23,220
I didn't have any.

2842
03:50:24,280 --> 03:50:24,540
All right.

2843
03:50:24,660 --> 03:50:26,620
I'd like to thank Malachi for being here with us.

2844
03:50:26,800 --> 03:50:29,320
I told him that he had to set a hard bedtime so he got out of here.

2845
03:50:29,560 --> 03:50:29,880
He had a clock.

2846
03:50:30,400 --> 03:50:31,680
We got to have a very neat night.

2847
03:50:31,820 --> 03:50:32,660
The meeting's adjourned.