1 00:07:36,050 --> 00:07:37,897 33 is 11. 2 00:07:37,897 --> 00:07:39,162 11 and 6. 3 00:07:39,162 --> 00:07:40,912 And 13 is page 6. 4 00:07:40,912 --> 00:07:45,140 And 26 was there. 5 00:07:48,140 --> 00:07:51,843 Okay, it is now 1:33, Thursday, the 30th day of July. 6 00:07:51,843 --> 00:07:57,152 This meeting of the City of Largo Code Enforcement Board is called to order. 7 00:07:57,152 --> 00:08:02,182 Please turn off any device that may interrupt this meeting at this time. 8 00:08:02,182 --> 00:08:05,046 Cell phones on silent, please. Thank you. 9 00:08:05,046 --> 00:08:08,260 Uh, please stand for the Pledge of Allegiance. 10 00:08:08,260 --> 00:08:09,689 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, 11 00:08:09,689 --> 00:08:11,363 and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, 12 00:08:11,363 --> 00:08:12,100 with liberty and justice for all. 13 00:08:13,557 --> 00:08:19,269 I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the 14 00:08:19,269 --> 00:08:19,886 United States of America and to the republic 15 00:08:19,886 --> 00:08:24,132 for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, 16 00:08:24,132 --> 00:08:26,679 with liberty and justice for all. 17 00:08:26,679 --> 00:08:31,306 All right. We have the 18 00:08:31,306 --> 00:08:36,353 minutes of the May 28th, 19 00:08:36,353 --> 00:08:40,979 2026 meeting ready for 20 00:08:40,979 --> 00:08:42,872 approval? 21 00:08:42,872 --> 00:08:44,959 Move to approve. Second. 22 00:08:44,959 --> 00:08:49,987 Okay, I've got a motion by Ms. Smith, a second by Ms. Hoskins. All in favor say 23 00:08:49,987 --> 00:08:50,242 second by Ms. Hoskins. All in favor say aye. 24 00:08:50,242 --> 00:08:50,884 Aye. 25 00:08:50,884 --> 00:08:51,992 Any opposed? 26 00:08:51,992 --> 00:08:53,662 Abstain. I hadn't read it. 27 00:08:53,662 --> 00:08:56,697 Did you get that, Ms. Gooch? 28 00:08:56,697 --> 00:08:57,500 I heard that. 29 00:08:57,500 --> 00:09:02,043 All right, motion passes. Thank you very much. 30 00:09:02,043 --> 00:09:07,179 All right, does staff have any changes to the agenda 31 00:09:07,179 --> 00:09:07,772 today? 32 00:09:07,772 --> 00:09:11,263 Yes, thank you, Code Enforcement Board. 33 00:09:11,263 --> 00:09:16,902 Louis Cruz, Chief Code Officer, representing the City of Largo. 34 00:09:16,902 --> 00:09:19,229 Um, we do have a few here. 35 00:09:19,229 --> 00:09:25,137 It is going to be case number 17, that's going to be CER-26-00361, 36 00:09:25,137 --> 00:09:31,761 Dominic Christian Dunsmore, Ashley Mae Dunsmore, at 3097 Brookfield Drive, 37 00:09:31,761 --> 00:09:33,640 Largo, Florida 33771. 38 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,147 That case will not be heard, 39 00:09:36,147 --> 00:09:42,681 and I'll go through a few other ones here that will not be heard as well. 40 00:09:42,681 --> 00:09:43,134 Okay. 41 00:09:43,134 --> 00:09:50,044 The next one's going to be case number 22— or excuse me, 42 00:09:50,044 --> 00:09:56,336 item number 22, case number CER-26-00325, Joshua L. 43 00:09:56,336 --> 00:09:59,421 Vandemark and Marianne Z. 44 00:09:59,421 --> 00:10:07,317 Nieves Vandemark at 2042 Georgiana Street, Largo, Florida 33774. 45 00:10:07,317 --> 00:10:12,376 Item number 27, case number CER-26-00383, 46 00:10:12,376 --> 00:10:19,903 Bruno Maganza at 2245 Kent Drive North, Largo, Florida 33774. 47 00:10:19,903 --> 00:10:27,306 Item number 30, That's going to be case number CER-26-00416, 48 00:10:27,306 --> 00:10:31,131 Douglas F. Brown and Deborah B. 49 00:10:31,131 --> 00:10:38,163 Brown at 723 20th Street Southwest, Largo, Florida 33770. 50 00:10:38,163 --> 00:10:44,086 Item number 34, that's case number CEC-26-00099. 51 00:10:44,086 --> 00:10:51,489 That's Town Center Plaza, LLC at 1600 North Missouri Avenue, 52 00:10:51,489 --> 00:10:54,080 Largo, Florida 33770. 53 00:10:54,080 --> 00:10:54,120 Thank you. 54 00:10:55,398 --> 00:11:01,684 770. And we have a few additional ones here to add. 55 00:11:01,684 --> 00:11:04,150 Please go to page 8. 56 00:11:04,150 --> 00:11:08,833 And that's going to be item number 42. 57 00:11:08,833 --> 00:11:14,257 That's going to be case number CER-25-00316, 58 00:11:14,257 --> 00:11:18,448 Ronald Vigenault and Lauren Moniz. 59 00:11:18,448 --> 00:11:23,871 At 1133 Hickory Drive, Largo, Florida 33770. 60 00:11:23,871 --> 00:11:30,651 Please go to page 9. That's going to be item number 19. 61 00:11:30,651 --> 00:11:36,074 That's going to be case number CER-26-00225. 62 00:11:36,074 --> 00:11:36,348 Yes. 63 00:11:36,348 --> 00:11:42,517 Haseko Group LLC at 1106 Melba Court, Largo, Florida 33770. 64 00:11:42,517 --> 00:11:48,058 On that same page, that's going to be item number 20. 65 00:11:48,058 --> 00:11:53,913 That's case number CEC-26-00048, Carley Properties, LLC, 66 00:11:53,913 --> 00:11:59,977 at 1509 Clearwater Largo Road North, Largo, Florida 33770. 67 00:11:59,977 --> 00:12:07,400 And please go, please go to page 10. That's going to be item number 24. 68 00:12:07,400 --> 00:12:10,746 That's case number CEC-26-00093, 69 00:12:10,746 --> 00:12:18,064 Wright Brothers Development XX LLC at 1300 Clearwater Largo Road North 70 00:12:18,064 --> 00:12:20,992 out at Largo, Florida 33770. 71 00:12:20,992 --> 00:12:27,683 And those will be moved to not heard for today. Okay, thank you. 72 00:12:27,683 --> 00:12:29,498 All right, thank you very much. 73 00:12:29,498 --> 00:12:33,949 Okay, the board will first hear cases in which persons have signed in today. 74 00:12:33,949 --> 00:12:36,525 To accommodate those of you In the audience, 75 00:12:36,525 --> 00:12:40,097 just so you kind of understand as we move through the agenda. 76 00:12:40,097 --> 00:12:42,264 And then after those cases are heard, 77 00:12:42,264 --> 00:12:45,016 the board will resume with its original agenda. 78 00:12:45,016 --> 00:12:49,584 So we'll be jumping around to accommodate those of you who have signed in here 79 00:12:49,584 --> 00:12:52,394 today. Um, so just kind of follow along, listen. 80 00:12:52,394 --> 00:12:53,917 When we call case numbers, 81 00:12:53,917 --> 00:12:58,250 know what your case number is because we will be jumping around a bit, um, 82 00:12:58,250 --> 00:12:59,597 throughout the process. 83 00:12:59,597 --> 00:13:01,881 And then at this time, if you are here, 84 00:13:01,881 --> 00:13:06,390 so anyone who is going to speak today should now stand and be sworn in by the 85 00:13:06,390 --> 00:13:06,682 should now stand and be sworn in by the board 86 00:13:06,682 --> 00:13:10,957 secretary. So if you're going to be speaking, please stand up, raise your 87 00:13:10,957 --> 00:13:11,250 speaking, please stand up, raise your hand. 88 00:13:11,250 --> 00:13:12,948 Miss Gooch will swear you in. 89 00:13:12,948 --> 00:13:19,387 Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, so help you? 90 00:13:19,387 --> 00:13:19,951 I do. 91 00:13:19,951 --> 00:13:21,401 Thank you. Be seated. 92 00:13:21,401 --> 00:13:25,750 Thank you, ma'am. The procedures for presentation of an initial case of 93 00:13:25,750 --> 00:13:26,301 presentation of an initial case of violation 94 00:13:26,301 --> 00:13:30,160 are as follows. So the city will present its case to the board. 95 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:34,570 The board may ask questions of the city staff during their presentation. 96 00:13:34,570 --> 00:13:37,632 The alleged violator will present his or her case. 97 00:13:37,632 --> 00:13:40,817 The board may ask questions of the alleged violator. 98 00:13:40,817 --> 00:13:45,901 The board has the authority to determine the relevance of any evidence or testimony 99 00:13:45,901 --> 00:13:50,127 presented. Following presentations by staff and the alleged violator, 100 00:13:50,127 --> 00:13:55,150 the board may ask additional questions of the parties and will offer both the city 101 00:13:55,150 --> 00:13:59,866 and the alleged violator an opportunity to present a brief closing statement. 102 00:13:59,866 --> 00:14:03,234 Following closing statements, I will close the hearing, 103 00:14:03,234 --> 00:14:05,439 and the board will discuss the case. 104 00:14:05,439 --> 00:14:10,094 The board may ask additional questions of the city and the alleged violator. 105 00:14:10,094 --> 00:14:11,381 After its discussion, 106 00:14:11,381 --> 00:14:16,281 the board will determine what action it will take with regards to the case being 107 00:14:16,281 --> 00:14:19,894 heard. This is typically addressed in the form of a motion. 108 00:14:19,894 --> 00:14:21,609 All right, and at this time, 109 00:14:21,609 --> 00:14:26,203 the board attorney will address the audience regarding who may speak before 110 00:14:26,203 --> 00:14:26,387 audience regarding who may speak before the 111 00:14:26,387 --> 00:14:29,633 board, and the procedures for requests for reduction. 112 00:14:29,633 --> 00:14:31,230 Good afternoon, everyone. 113 00:14:31,230 --> 00:14:35,894 Like our board chair already stated, this is a quasi-judicial proceeding, 114 00:14:35,894 --> 00:14:38,386 which is similar to a court proceeding. 115 00:14:38,386 --> 00:14:43,689 However, only the named respondent on the notices of hearing is going to be allowed 116 00:14:43,689 --> 00:14:47,075 to testify for that specific case, present witnesses, 117 00:14:47,075 --> 00:14:49,375 and introduce evidence to the board. 118 00:14:49,375 --> 00:14:52,697 There are 2 types of respondents in today's hearing. 119 00:14:52,697 --> 00:14:57,361 We have some individual named respondents and we have properties owned by 120 00:14:57,361 --> 00:15:00,172 corporations or limited liability companies. 121 00:15:00,172 --> 00:15:04,644 If you're presenting testimony for a case as an individual respondent, 122 00:15:04,644 --> 00:15:09,436 you have to be the respondent him or herself as identified in the notice of 123 00:15:09,436 --> 00:15:09,947 herself as identified in the notice of hearing, 124 00:15:09,947 --> 00:15:15,314 or have some form of written authorization from the property owner identified in the 125 00:15:15,314 --> 00:15:18,892 notice of hearing allowing you to speak on their behalf. 126 00:15:18,892 --> 00:15:23,811 If you're a respondent for an entity such as a limited liability company or a 127 00:15:23,811 --> 00:15:28,986 corporation, you have to be the owner of that entity as listed on Florida SunBiz, 128 00:15:28,986 --> 00:15:34,225 or once again have some written form of authorization signed by the property owner 129 00:15:34,225 --> 00:15:36,653 allowing you to speak on their behalf. 130 00:15:36,653 --> 00:15:39,975 We also have an item here for request for reduction. 131 00:15:39,975 --> 00:15:41,700 As the board already knows, 132 00:15:41,700 --> 00:15:46,939 the board is authorized to approve a fine reduction pursuant to Section 972 of the 133 00:15:46,939 --> 00:15:48,536 Largo Code of Ordinances. 134 00:15:48,536 --> 00:15:53,839 However, the board cannot reduce any fine below the administrative cost incurred in 135 00:15:53,839 --> 00:15:56,395 prosecuting the code enforcement action. 136 00:15:56,395 --> 00:16:01,570 Plus the minimum fee as established in Appendix B of the Largo Code of Ordinance. 137 00:16:01,570 --> 00:16:06,936 Those minimum fees are $500 for first-time violators and $1,500 for repeat violation 138 00:16:06,936 --> 00:16:09,939 cases. If the board decides to reduce the fine, 139 00:16:09,939 --> 00:16:13,964 the board must specify in its order the date in which the fine— 140 00:16:13,964 --> 00:16:16,392 the reduced fine must be paid in full. 141 00:16:16,392 --> 00:16:21,759 The specified date cannot be less than 30 days from today's hearing date and no more 142 00:16:21,759 --> 00:16:24,889 than a year. Um, that is essentially all we have. 143 00:16:24,889 --> 00:16:26,423 Once again, the respond— 144 00:16:26,423 --> 00:16:31,278 if the respondent fails to pay the reduced fine by the day set by the board, 145 00:16:31,278 --> 00:16:36,581 the fine reduction will be deemed waived by the respondent and the full amount will 146 00:16:36,581 --> 00:16:41,628 be reinstated automatically. And such fine cannot be heard for reduction again. 147 00:16:41,628 --> 00:16:42,395 That is all. 148 00:16:42,395 --> 00:16:45,255 Thank you, Ms. Carrera. I appreciate that. 149 00:16:45,255 --> 00:16:50,907 Okay, we are going to get started And as mentioned before, we will go in the order, 150 00:16:50,907 --> 00:16:54,040 um, for those of you who have signed in today, 151 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,832 which brings us to agenda item number 23. 152 00:16:56,832 --> 00:17:00,509 And that is case number CER-26-00272, Brittany Miller. 153 00:17:00,509 --> 00:17:04,527 Property is 1610 Valencia Drive East, Largo, Florida 33778. 154 00:17:04,527 --> 00:17:09,907 So if you were here in the chambers today for that case, you can Okay, perfect. 155 00:17:09,907 --> 00:17:12,972 You can come on up, um, to the lectern there, 156 00:17:12,972 --> 00:17:17,330 and then the city will present their case, and I'll turn to you, 157 00:17:17,330 --> 00:17:22,642 have you introduce yourself and present your case after that. Okay, thank you. 158 00:17:22,642 --> 00:17:24,344 Thank you for being here. 159 00:17:24,344 --> 00:17:28,362 And whenever you are ready— hello, sir, how we doing today? 160 00:17:28,362 --> 00:17:28,899 Good. 161 00:17:28,899 --> 00:17:30,118 All right, whenever you're ready, please. 162 00:17:30,118 --> 00:17:36,381 All right, Code Officer Mark Knotts representing the City of Largo. 163 00:17:36,381 --> 00:17:42,176 This is case number CER26-00272. Respondent's Brittany Miller. 164 00:17:42,176 --> 00:17:48,439 Property address is 1610 Valencia Drive East, Largo, Florida 33778. 165 00:17:48,439 --> 00:17:51,336 This is a homesteaded property. 166 00:17:51,336 --> 00:17:57,132 The violations are the 2023 Florida Building Code Section 105, 167 00:17:57,132 --> 00:18:03,114 building without permits, as adopted by reference in CDC 18.1.1, 168 00:18:03,114 --> 00:18:09,844 and CDC 16.2.2, detached storage buildings and gazebos/pergolas required 169 00:18:09,844 --> 00:18:10,592 permits. 170 00:18:10,592 --> 00:18:10,705 Okay. 171 00:18:13,117 --> 00:18:17,686 The initial inspection of the property was on April 2nd, 2026. 172 00:18:17,686 --> 00:18:21,075 The notice of violation dated April 2nd, 2026. 173 00:18:21,075 --> 00:18:25,349 The notice of violation compliance date was May 3rd, 2026. 174 00:18:25,349 --> 00:18:28,297 The reinspection date was May 4th, 2026, 175 00:18:28,297 --> 00:18:31,687 and the reinspection result was non-compliant. 176 00:18:31,687 --> 00:18:37,140 The notice of violation was sent via certified mail to the listed property 177 00:18:37,140 --> 00:18:37,803 certified mail to the listed property owner and 178 00:18:37,803 --> 00:18:40,382 Pinellas County Property Appraiser. 179 00:18:40,382 --> 00:18:44,287 And the notice of hearing was posted on the property, 180 00:18:44,287 --> 00:18:46,719 posted in the lobby of City Hall, 181 00:18:46,719 --> 00:18:52,909 and sent via certified mail to the listed property owner in Pinellas County Property 182 00:18:52,909 --> 00:18:57,404 Appraiser. This is the notice of hearing posted on 7/15/2026. 183 00:18:57,404 --> 00:19:00,941 All right, this is a front view of the property. 184 00:19:00,941 --> 00:19:03,815 So what initiated this, as you can see, 185 00:19:03,815 --> 00:19:09,047 the massive unpermitted carport on the right-hand side of the property. 186 00:19:09,047 --> 00:19:11,552 Uh, it was built without a permit. 187 00:19:11,552 --> 00:19:15,384 Uh, it's a close-up of the unpermitted boat carport. 188 00:19:15,384 --> 00:19:20,616 You can see a small structure behind it. Um, they're deeming it a shed. 189 00:19:20,616 --> 00:19:26,511 Um, the shed was also built without a permit. Another close-up of both of those. 190 00:19:26,511 --> 00:19:32,480 This is a 2017 aerial view of the property before either of those structures were 191 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:37,785 Installed. And this is a 2023 view showing the construction of the shed, 192 00:19:37,785 --> 00:19:41,544 and the carport wasn't installed yet at that point. 193 00:19:41,544 --> 00:19:45,965 Uh, this is a recent photo, uh, actually taken this morning. 194 00:19:45,965 --> 00:19:50,313 They have removed the carport. Uh, there still is the shed. 195 00:19:50,313 --> 00:19:56,355 Uh, contractor has contacted me and they are working on getting the permit for the 196 00:19:56,355 --> 00:19:58,124 shed as of this morning. 197 00:19:58,124 --> 00:20:02,692 Uh, on the left-hand side of the property, a more minor issue, 198 00:20:02,692 --> 00:20:08,440 there is an unpermitted, uh, gazebo that was also noted during the inspection. 199 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:08,891 Okay. 200 00:20:08,891 --> 00:20:14,011 The corrective action is to obtain all necessary permits to cover the entire 201 00:20:14,011 --> 00:20:14,347 necessary permits to cover the entire scope 202 00:20:14,347 --> 00:20:18,120 of work and obtain all necessary permits for the gazebo. 203 00:20:18,120 --> 00:20:23,576 Staff recommends giving the respondent, Brittany Miller, until August 31st, 2026, 204 00:20:23,576 --> 00:20:25,058 to achieve compliance. 205 00:20:25,058 --> 00:20:27,079 If compliance is not achieved, 206 00:20:27,079 --> 00:20:31,997 staff recommends the Code Enforcement Board Impose a fine of $250 per day 207 00:20:31,997 --> 00:20:32,603 Board Impose a fine of $250 per day beginning 208 00:20:32,603 --> 00:20:37,319 on September 1st, 2026, until the property is brought into compliance, 209 00:20:37,319 --> 00:20:42,506 with the fine not to exceed the just market value established by the Pinellas 210 00:20:42,506 --> 00:20:42,910 market value established by the Pinellas County 211 00:20:42,910 --> 00:20:44,998 Property Appraiser of $269,029. 212 00:20:44,998 --> 00:20:46,896 Okay, thank you very much. 213 00:20:46,896 --> 00:20:50,985 Hello, please state your first, last name, your address, 214 00:20:50,985 --> 00:20:56,169 and then relationship to the property owner. My name is Brody Lassiter. 215 00:20:56,169 --> 00:20:59,090 I currently reside at 13125 Wilcox Road, 216 00:20:59,090 --> 00:21:04,420 and I represent the general contractor that they've retained to get these 217 00:21:04,420 --> 00:21:05,004 that they've retained to get these permits. 218 00:21:05,004 --> 00:21:09,750 Okay, do we need a letter of authorization for that, Ms. Carrera? 219 00:21:09,750 --> 00:21:13,499 Yeah, I have not received a letter of authorization. 220 00:21:13,499 --> 00:21:15,440 I turned it in when I came in. 221 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:20,228 I believe I was told they were giving it to Mary, right? Okay, one second. 222 00:21:20,228 --> 00:21:25,885 Okay, Brody. Brody Leister. Okay, you made my phone. 223 00:21:25,885 --> 00:21:26,274 Good with that? 224 00:21:26,274 --> 00:21:26,566 Yep. 225 00:21:26,566 --> 00:21:29,772 Beautiful, thank you very much. Um, yeah, thanks for coming in. 226 00:21:29,772 --> 00:21:33,436 Looks like you guys are making some progress. What would you like to say 227 00:21:33,436 --> 00:21:33,741 progress. What would you like to say today? 228 00:21:33,741 --> 00:21:37,812 I believe we covered most of it. Um, I also have the pictures from this morning. 229 00:21:37,812 --> 00:21:39,186 The carport's been removed. 230 00:21:39,186 --> 00:21:43,359 With regards to the shed and the gazebo, we have submitted for 2 separate permits. 231 00:21:43,359 --> 00:21:45,598 I believe both are pending review right now, 232 00:21:45,598 --> 00:21:49,567 so I don't see any reason why those wouldn't be accepted within the time frame 233 00:21:49,567 --> 00:21:49,771 wouldn't be accepted within the time frame that 234 00:21:49,771 --> 00:21:52,570 they've requested. Okay, that's pretty straightforward. 235 00:21:52,570 --> 00:21:56,539 Um, you brought those photos with the permit numbers if you guys need these as 236 00:21:56,539 --> 00:21:56,793 permit numbers if you guys need these as well. 237 00:21:56,793 --> 00:21:59,898 Those will be on record with the city. Um, I appreciate that. 238 00:21:59,898 --> 00:22:01,628 So the city, we already have that. 239 00:22:01,628 --> 00:22:03,409 Um, since you brought those photos, 240 00:22:03,409 --> 00:22:05,902 you're welcome to include those if you wanted to. 241 00:22:05,902 --> 00:22:09,668 We did see the photos that he took also this morning, so if that suffices, 242 00:22:09,668 --> 00:22:10,991 then we can be fine there. 243 00:22:10,991 --> 00:22:14,960 But if you brought something that you wanted to be submitted into the file for 244 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:18,777 evidence, you You, of course, are welcome to do that. Are they printed off? 245 00:22:18,777 --> 00:22:19,116 They are. 246 00:22:19,116 --> 00:22:25,986 Oh, perfect. Yes, you can bring them up. That's fine. Thanks for bringing those. 247 00:22:25,986 --> 00:22:27,102 Um, oh, okay. 248 00:22:27,538 --> 00:22:27,764 Thank you. 249 00:22:29,071 --> 00:22:30,491 You guys all want to see these? 250 00:22:30,491 --> 00:22:30,911 Yes, please. 251 00:22:30,911 --> 00:22:35,171 Okay, so sounds like we're all on the same page here. 252 00:22:35,171 --> 00:22:37,101 Um, right now, you know, 253 00:22:37,101 --> 00:22:42,728 a recommendation is for this to be taken care of Before September 1st. 254 00:22:42,728 --> 00:22:48,596 How do you feel about that timeline? I feel like that's reasonable. Okay. 255 00:22:48,596 --> 00:22:52,601 If I may, um, have you gotten a chance— and thank you, Code Board— sure, um, 256 00:22:52,601 --> 00:22:56,342 have you gotten a chance to look at the shed or structure there in the— 257 00:22:56,342 --> 00:23:00,084 on the back side of the property there, or on the side of the property, 258 00:23:00,084 --> 00:23:00,769 I should say? 259 00:23:00,769 --> 00:23:04,540 Um, I was actually, uh, just— this was brought to my attention this morning, 260 00:23:04,540 --> 00:23:06,724 so I did swing by the property this morning. 261 00:23:06,724 --> 00:23:10,347 Um, I've seen the aerial view of the gazebo, a brief explanation from the 262 00:23:10,347 --> 00:23:10,843 gazebo, a brief explanation from the homeowner. 263 00:23:10,843 --> 00:23:14,168 Um, and I did briefly look at the shed that was back there as well. 264 00:23:14,168 --> 00:23:15,706 I took a peek beyond the fence. 265 00:23:15,706 --> 00:23:16,106 Okay. 266 00:23:16,395 --> 00:23:18,469 Um, um, just, you know, obviously, you know, 267 00:23:18,469 --> 00:23:20,496 we already have our recommended time frame. 268 00:23:20,496 --> 00:23:24,268 Um, so just be mindful if the shed, you know, you're kind of taking ownership of 269 00:23:24,268 --> 00:23:24,409 know, you're kind of taking ownership of it. 270 00:23:24,409 --> 00:23:27,097 So if the shed wasn't done correctly, it may take longer. 271 00:23:27,097 --> 00:23:31,009 You may, you know, so just be mindful that it might not be in a state that it could 272 00:23:31,009 --> 00:23:32,377 be pushed through right away. 273 00:23:32,377 --> 00:23:35,488 So, um, make sure that 30 days is a good comfortable time for you. 274 00:23:35,488 --> 00:23:36,514 Okay. 275 00:23:36,754 --> 00:23:38,308 If there is a, a longer time frame, 276 00:23:38,308 --> 00:23:40,971 I definitely wouldn't oppose in order for us to obtain that. 277 00:23:40,971 --> 00:23:43,857 Um, but like I said, both of those permits have been applied for. 278 00:23:43,857 --> 00:23:45,543 I believe they're in review right now. 279 00:23:45,543 --> 00:23:49,139 So we're waiting for a response back to see what it is next that they would need. 280 00:23:49,139 --> 00:23:50,800 Question for the city, please. 281 00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:53,790 This requirement is just for the permits to be issued, 282 00:23:53,790 --> 00:23:55,672 or must they be finalized as well? 283 00:23:55,672 --> 00:23:57,936 They just need to be issued. 284 00:23:57,936 --> 00:24:02,355 Just issued. Okay, then. And it sounds like 30 days might be sufficient for that. 285 00:24:02,355 --> 00:24:05,465 But if, if something were to come up, like you mentioned, 286 00:24:05,465 --> 00:24:09,339 that he had to do extra work on, then we might need a little more time. 287 00:24:09,339 --> 00:24:12,122 So that's what I was worried about being finalized. 288 00:24:12,122 --> 00:24:15,834 Yeah, I mean, that's a good question. Mr. Cruz brings something up. 289 00:24:15,834 --> 00:24:19,491 He must have some knowledge of it. I'm wondering if maybe 30 days— 290 00:24:19,491 --> 00:24:21,895 Does the board— 291 00:24:21,895 --> 00:24:24,215 I don't know. I mean, what did you think? 292 00:24:24,215 --> 00:24:28,573 Do you know the city's parameters and requirements for size of shed build and 293 00:24:28,573 --> 00:24:28,913 requirements for size of shed build and all of 294 00:24:28,913 --> 00:24:33,384 that? I, you know, maybe Mr. Cruz is suggesting that you ask for 30 extra days. 295 00:24:33,384 --> 00:24:37,346 Yeah, 60 days would be wonderful. I'm not sure of the exact specifics. 296 00:24:37,346 --> 00:24:40,855 I was just, like I said, brought to my attention this morning. 297 00:24:40,855 --> 00:24:44,590 is any changes that's needed, then sure. Yes, Mr. Bob, extra time. 298 00:24:44,590 --> 00:24:50,636 Was the permit for the shed— is that on record, or is that in violation also? 299 00:24:50,636 --> 00:24:52,927 Yeah, the shed was part of the violation. 300 00:24:52,927 --> 00:24:56,728 They've submitted a permit for it already though. It's just pending. 301 00:24:56,728 --> 00:24:58,584 Submitted the permit for both of those things? 302 00:24:58,584 --> 00:24:59,173 Yes, sir. 303 00:24:59,173 --> 00:24:59,663 Okay. 304 00:24:59,663 --> 00:25:04,028 Okay. Is there anything, um, the city would like to add in closing? No. 305 00:25:04,028 --> 00:25:08,392 And for you, sir, anything you'd like to add in closing? No, thank you. 306 00:25:08,392 --> 00:25:12,213 And can you specify the date these images were taken again? 307 00:25:12,213 --> 00:25:13,865 Those images were taken this morning. 308 00:25:13,865 --> 00:25:15,439 Okay, this morning. You would like, 309 00:25:15,439 --> 00:25:18,766 you would like to introduce this into evidence as part of the case record? 310 00:25:18,766 --> 00:25:19,485 Okay, thank you. 311 00:25:19,485 --> 00:25:23,217 Okay, I'm going to close the public portion. Um, any questions? 312 00:25:23,217 --> 00:25:27,067 If no further questions from the board, I'm looking for a motion. 313 00:25:27,067 --> 00:25:28,666 I think we discussed maybe— 314 00:25:28,666 --> 00:25:29,683 Back on the screen. 315 00:25:29,683 --> 00:25:32,555 Yeah, okay, I can make the motion. 316 00:25:32,555 --> 00:25:32,878 Okay. 317 00:25:34,545 --> 00:25:41,724 I move in case number CER26-00272 to find the respondent, Brittany Miller, 318 00:25:41,724 --> 00:25:47,061 in violation of 2023 Florida Building Code Section 105, 319 00:25:47,061 --> 00:25:49,486 building without permits, 320 00:25:49,486 --> 00:25:55,598 as adopted by reference in CDC 18.1.1.A and CDC 16.2.2. Second. 321 00:25:55,598 --> 00:26:02,875 For the property located at 1610 Valencia Drive East, Largo, Florida 33778, 322 00:26:02,875 --> 00:26:09,472 and to assess a fine of $250 per day beginning on October 1st, 2026, 323 00:26:09,472 --> 00:26:12,286 until compliance is achieved, 324 00:26:12,286 --> 00:26:18,301 with the fine not to exceed the just market value of $269,029, 325 00:26:18,301 --> 00:26:25,868 and to order the respondent to contact Community Standards Division to arrange 326 00:26:25,868 --> 00:26:32,951 for a re-inspection of the property to verify compliance with the board's 327 00:26:32,951 --> 00:26:33,533 order. 328 00:26:33,533 --> 00:26:34,320 I'll second. 329 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,940 Okay, I've got a motion by Ms. Hoskin and a second by Ms. Smith. 330 00:26:38,940 --> 00:26:40,456 All in favor say aye. 331 00:26:40,456 --> 00:26:40,954 Aye. 332 00:26:40,954 --> 00:26:41,195 Aye. 333 00:26:41,195 --> 00:26:43,564 Any opposed? Okay, the motion passes. 334 00:26:43,564 --> 00:26:48,045 Um, just keep doing what you're doing and stay in touch with the city. 335 00:26:48,045 --> 00:26:53,039 Check on those permits, because if they get declined or denied for any reason, 336 00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:54,703 get back on it right away. 337 00:26:54,703 --> 00:26:55,207 Great. 338 00:26:55,354 --> 00:26:59,070 Thank you. Thanks for being in here— or thanks for coming in here. Good luck. 339 00:26:59,070 --> 00:27:03,019 Page 10. 340 00:27:03,019 --> 00:27:08,577 Okay, I believe we are on agenda item number 25, page 10. 341 00:27:09,125 --> 00:27:09,335 Mhm. 342 00:27:09,835 --> 00:27:15,692 Very good. That is case number CER-26-00268. 343 00:27:15,692 --> 00:27:23,678 Li Thi Noc Nguyen and Nhat Nguyen at 2330 Kings Point Drive, 344 00:27:23,678 --> 00:27:26,473 Largo, Florida 33774. 345 00:27:26,473 --> 00:27:33,794 Code Officer Rivera, how are we doing, sir? Doing good. 346 00:27:33,843 --> 00:27:34,389 How are you all doing? 347 00:27:34,389 --> 00:27:35,410 Fine, thank you. 348 00:27:37,118 --> 00:27:37,279 All right. 349 00:27:37,424 --> 00:27:40,663 Hello, sir. You can follow along on the, on the monitor there. 350 00:27:40,663 --> 00:27:44,789 The city will present their case and then I'll turn to you and what you have to 351 00:27:44,789 --> 00:27:45,573 say. All right. 352 00:27:45,670 --> 00:27:49,507 Good afternoon. My name is, uh, excuse me, 353 00:27:49,507 --> 00:27:54,805 Court Officer Ruben Rivera representing the City of Largo. 354 00:27:54,805 --> 00:27:59,190 This is in reference to case number CER 2600268. 355 00:27:59,190 --> 00:28:02,479 Respondents, Anuit Nyon and Lai Tai— 356 00:28:02,479 --> 00:28:04,386 sorry for that. 357 00:28:04,386 --> 00:28:11,802 That's okay. Uh, property address is 2330 Kings Point Drive, Largo, Florida 33774. 358 00:28:11,802 --> 00:28:14,787 This is not a homestead property. 359 00:28:14,787 --> 00:28:19,671 Violations: CDC 15.18.B3, short-term vacation rentals, 360 00:28:19,671 --> 00:28:22,655 minimum life safety requirements. 361 00:28:22,655 --> 00:28:29,529 CDC 15.18.B1, short-term vacation rentals, minimum life safety requirements. 362 00:28:29,529 --> 00:28:35,136 CDC 15.18.B2, minimum life safety requirements, swimming pool. 363 00:28:35,136 --> 00:28:41,467 CDC 15.18.E, short-term vacation rentals designated responsible party, 364 00:28:41,467 --> 00:28:48,702 and CDC 15.18.B.4, short-term vacation rentals minimum life safety requirements. 365 00:28:48,702 --> 00:28:54,400 The initial inspection of the property was performed on 4/1/26. 366 00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:57,747 Notice of violation was dated 4/7/26. 367 00:28:57,747 --> 00:29:04,892 Notice of violation compliance date was 5/11/26. Reinspection date was 5/12/26. 368 00:29:04,892 --> 00:29:08,690 The reinspection result was non-compliant. 369 00:29:08,690 --> 00:29:15,383 The notice of violation was sent via certified mail to the listed property 370 00:29:15,383 --> 00:29:16,197 certified mail to the listed property owner and 371 00:29:16,197 --> 00:29:19,362 Pinellas County Property Appraiser. 372 00:29:19,362 --> 00:29:26,326 The notice of hearing was posted on the property, posted in the lobby of City 373 00:29:26,326 --> 00:29:26,778 property, posted in the lobby of City Hall, 374 00:29:26,778 --> 00:29:33,652 and sent via certified mail to the listed property owner and Pinellas County 375 00:29:33,652 --> 00:29:36,184 Property Appraiser's office. 376 00:29:36,184 --> 00:29:42,968 Here's a photo of the notice of hearing which was posted on the property on 377 00:29:42,968 --> 00:29:48,665 7/15/2026. This is just the advertisement on VRBO for the STVR. 378 00:29:48,665 --> 00:29:55,268 It's another— just some of the dates, frequent, uh, recent dates that was 379 00:29:55,268 --> 00:29:56,172 frequent, uh, recent dates that was available. 380 00:29:56,172 --> 00:29:58,007 Thank you. 381 00:29:59,976 --> 00:30:01,940 Just some of the reviews. 382 00:30:01,940 --> 00:30:08,067 Uh, the corrective action is to meet all short-term vacation rental inspection 383 00:30:08,067 --> 00:30:12,231 requirements. Staff recommends giving the respondent, 384 00:30:12,231 --> 00:30:17,808 Nuit Nguyen and Le Thai Nguyen, sorry, until August 26, 2026 to achieve 385 00:30:17,808 --> 00:30:18,672 until August 26, 2026 to achieve compliance. 386 00:30:18,672 --> 00:30:21,029 If compliance is not achieved, 387 00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:26,763 Staff recommends the Code Enforcement Board impose a fine of $250 per day 388 00:30:26,763 --> 00:30:27,470 Board impose a fine of $250 per day beginning 389 00:30:27,470 --> 00:30:32,812 on August 27th, 2026, until the property is brought into compliance, 390 00:30:32,812 --> 00:30:38,861 with the fine not to exceed the just market value established by the Pinellas 391 00:30:38,861 --> 00:30:39,332 market value established by the Pinellas County 392 00:30:39,332 --> 00:30:41,924 Property Appraiser of $1,382,486. 393 00:30:41,924 --> 00:30:47,659 I just wanted to say that I have been in communication with someone from— 394 00:30:47,659 --> 00:30:50,094 represents the company, or the— 395 00:30:50,094 --> 00:30:51,991 That's my assistant, Michelle. 396 00:30:51,991 --> 00:30:54,322 Right. At the moment, they're just— 397 00:30:54,322 --> 00:30:58,717 they're waiting for the permit for the high-hazard electrical, uh, 398 00:30:58,717 --> 00:31:02,179 the smoke detectors being hardwired to be finalized, 399 00:31:02,179 --> 00:31:06,308 and then I can go ahead and move forward with the inspections. 400 00:31:06,308 --> 00:31:07,190 Yes, because— 401 00:31:07,222 --> 00:31:11,689 okay, very good. We call you guys about the smoke detector. Sure, one, one second. 402 00:31:11,689 --> 00:31:16,156 I appreciate that. Um, go ahead and please state your full name, property address, 403 00:31:16,156 --> 00:31:19,697 and then relationship to the property. Uh, my name is Kenny Pham. 404 00:31:19,697 --> 00:31:23,238 I live on 7206 Watson Street. Uh, you mean this property address? 405 00:31:23,238 --> 00:31:26,397 It's 23— No, you said your, your property address is good. 406 00:31:26,397 --> 00:31:29,012 And then what is your relationship to the owner? 407 00:31:29,012 --> 00:31:33,370 Uh, they're my uncle and, uh, and aunt. Okay. And then do you have an affidavit? 408 00:31:33,370 --> 00:31:34,285 That is correct. 409 00:31:34,285 --> 00:31:34,638 We have one? 410 00:31:34,735 --> 00:31:34,895 Okay. 411 00:31:35,056 --> 00:31:37,912 Yes, perfect. Thank you for being here. Uh, what would you like to say today? 412 00:31:37,912 --> 00:31:38,988 Mr. Chair— 413 00:31:38,988 --> 00:31:40,255 Uh, I'm sorry, one more second. 414 00:31:40,255 --> 00:31:45,712 On the sign-in sheet, um, you're on Broughton Street? 415 00:31:45,712 --> 00:31:46,402 Yes, that's my— 416 00:31:46,595 --> 00:31:47,531 that That's my home address. 417 00:31:47,531 --> 00:31:48,081 Okay, thank you. 418 00:31:48,081 --> 00:31:49,537 All right, thank you, sir. 419 00:31:49,537 --> 00:31:50,087 No problem. 420 00:31:50,411 --> 00:31:53,922 So on May 12th, I did went out there to try to meet the inspection, 421 00:31:53,922 --> 00:31:55,337 but we did also notify the, 422 00:31:55,337 --> 00:31:59,686 the code enforcement that we're going to fail inspection because of the hardwiring. 423 00:31:59,686 --> 00:32:02,358 And I noticed that none of the rooms was hardwired, 424 00:32:02,358 --> 00:32:06,288 and we've been getting back with code enforcement and the fire marshal what 425 00:32:06,288 --> 00:32:06,550 enforcement and the fire marshal what we're 426 00:32:06,550 --> 00:32:09,904 supposed to do. Code enforcement said we only need in the rooms, 427 00:32:09,904 --> 00:32:12,734 but the fire marshal said we needed every living area. 428 00:32:12,734 --> 00:32:16,611 So we, we were trying to get the electrical issues to work out and get the 429 00:32:16,611 --> 00:32:16,873 electrical issues to work out and get the right 430 00:32:16,873 --> 00:32:19,389 electrical work out and get bids and everything, 431 00:32:19,389 --> 00:32:21,904 but we didn't get one finalized until last week. 432 00:32:21,904 --> 00:32:25,415 So the permit is being, uh, being applied at this moment, and, and, 433 00:32:25,415 --> 00:32:26,777 and we are waiting for it. 434 00:32:26,777 --> 00:32:29,758 Yeah, the permit is currently in review. 435 00:32:29,758 --> 00:32:30,924 Okay, okay, very good. 436 00:32:30,924 --> 00:32:34,051 So you're working towards it, you understand the violation, 437 00:32:34,051 --> 00:32:36,118 you're wanting to come into compliance, 438 00:32:36,118 --> 00:32:40,252 you're doing everything you can to come into compliance. That's the goal here. 439 00:32:40,252 --> 00:32:43,273 Um, okay. So right now, you know, after board discussion, 440 00:32:43,273 --> 00:32:47,726 we're probably looking towards saying that everything should be corrected by the end 441 00:32:47,726 --> 00:32:49,528 of August. August, hopefully. Yes. 442 00:32:49,528 --> 00:32:51,754 As soon as we get the issue of the permit, 443 00:32:51,754 --> 00:32:54,404 then we could have the electrical work guys start, 444 00:32:54,404 --> 00:32:57,266 but I don't know how long that's going to take. Right. 445 00:32:57,571 --> 00:32:57,619 How— 446 00:32:57,891 --> 00:32:59,606 what's turn times on inspections once, 447 00:32:59,606 --> 00:33:01,863 once he's ready to go and gives you guys the word? 448 00:33:01,863 --> 00:33:04,752 About how long far out are we doing those inspections right now? 449 00:33:04,752 --> 00:33:08,808 What I would say is, do you already have hardwired smoke alarms in there? 450 00:33:08,808 --> 00:33:09,064 There's none. 451 00:33:09,128 --> 00:33:09,802 There's none in the house. 452 00:33:09,802 --> 00:33:11,395 That might take a little bit longer. 453 00:33:11,395 --> 00:33:14,714 We've had a very— I've had very quick turnarounds if they're already there. 454 00:33:14,714 --> 00:33:17,060 They just need to apply for an after-the-fact permit. 455 00:33:17,060 --> 00:33:17,360 Okay. 456 00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:20,395 If he needs to have them installed, that's a little bit different. 457 00:33:20,395 --> 00:33:23,753 I don't want to speak to that because I haven't come across that specific 458 00:33:23,753 --> 00:33:24,213 haven't come across that specific situation. 459 00:33:24,213 --> 00:33:25,731 So I think a month would be good. 460 00:33:25,731 --> 00:33:28,720 It just depends on him and his contractor and how fast they work. 461 00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:29,779 Yeah, how fast they work. 462 00:33:29,779 --> 00:33:31,388 And since this house, for some reason, 463 00:33:31,388 --> 00:33:34,733 none of them was hardwired anywhere for some reason, which we weren't aware of. 464 00:33:34,733 --> 00:33:38,079 Are they still renting the property out? Yes, we're still renting the property. 465 00:33:38,079 --> 00:33:39,180 They are still renting it? 466 00:33:39,180 --> 00:33:39,660 Yeah. 467 00:33:39,660 --> 00:33:40,400 Yeah. While in violation? 468 00:33:40,863 --> 00:33:41,023 Okay. 469 00:33:41,072 --> 00:33:45,239 Yeah, we saw— we, uh, we saw during that time we're still trying to figure, 470 00:33:45,239 --> 00:33:46,516 trying to squeeze them. 471 00:33:46,516 --> 00:33:50,350 Hopefully within a week or 2, we— once we get the, the permit issued, 472 00:33:50,350 --> 00:33:54,572 then we can have it— him could schedule in as quick, as quickly as possible. 473 00:33:54,572 --> 00:33:57,738 The contract say 2, 3 days to get it done, but we'll see. 474 00:33:57,738 --> 00:33:59,405 Okay, so yes, please go ahead. 475 00:33:59,405 --> 00:34:01,225 Sorry, um, 2 questions. 476 00:34:01,225 --> 00:34:04,944 Uh, number one, about the, um, uh, fire alarms. 477 00:34:04,944 --> 00:34:10,167 That looks like a Fairly good-sized property. How many need to be— 478 00:34:10,167 --> 00:34:15,424 Uh, that's one we saw. We estimate was 6, 6, uh, that's about 6 bedrooms. 479 00:34:15,424 --> 00:34:21,330 So it's one for each bedroom, then, then the hallways and kitchen, probably about— 480 00:34:21,330 --> 00:34:24,715 I'm thinking about 9 to 10. I'm not quite sure. 481 00:34:24,715 --> 00:34:25,405 So 9 or 10? 482 00:34:25,405 --> 00:34:25,999 Yeah. 483 00:34:25,999 --> 00:34:29,981 And they need to be installed? The hardwire needs to be installed? 484 00:34:29,981 --> 00:34:30,993 There's smoke alarm in there. 485 00:34:31,041 --> 00:34:35,378 It's all battery operated. But it's not hardwired or anything. That's the issue. 486 00:34:35,378 --> 00:34:39,661 Because the fire marshal and the code enforcement need to be hardwired for some 487 00:34:39,661 --> 00:34:40,040 reason. 488 00:34:40,105 --> 00:34:40,493 I don't want— 489 00:34:40,493 --> 00:34:43,885 So yeah, do you have capacity for the electrical already for all those? 490 00:34:43,885 --> 00:34:45,592 Yes, we have the capacity for it. 491 00:34:45,592 --> 00:34:52,288 I have a follow-up question. You don't currently have a tenant or— 492 00:34:52,288 --> 00:34:56,965 Not today. We might have one tenant, but at the moment, that's what— 493 00:34:56,965 --> 00:34:58,884 Well, that's in violation, right? 494 00:34:59,977 --> 00:35:02,406 No, um, in, in situations such as this, 495 00:35:02,406 --> 00:35:06,951 per the code of ordinance and anything that we have obviously in the LDC, 496 00:35:06,951 --> 00:35:12,057 there is nothing that gives us the ability to stop them from actually renting, um, 497 00:35:12,057 --> 00:35:12,929 that property. 498 00:35:12,929 --> 00:35:13,330 Okay. 499 00:35:13,330 --> 00:35:16,697 What we're here for is that enforcement part, if, you know, 500 00:35:16,697 --> 00:35:20,920 and to give them a little nudge to obviously come into compliance with the 501 00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:21,262 obviously come into compliance with the things 502 00:35:21,262 --> 00:35:23,716 asked of by Officer Rivera, as well as, um, 503 00:35:23,716 --> 00:35:26,627 us doing our short-term vacation rental inspection. 504 00:35:26,627 --> 00:35:29,880 Which is a couple other things that he probably was sent, 505 00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,274 most likely sent the packet of the things that we look at when we go inspect. 506 00:35:34,274 --> 00:35:37,812 Then they get a high-hazard inspection by the fire department. 507 00:35:37,812 --> 00:35:40,583 So, yeah. And I was thinking of the practical matter of, you know, 508 00:35:40,583 --> 00:35:43,228 you've got guests in there that are spending money to be there. 509 00:35:43,293 --> 00:35:43,599 Yeah. 510 00:35:43,840 --> 00:35:47,822 And then they're going to be disturbed and interrupted by an electrician. 511 00:35:47,822 --> 00:35:52,186 So it would be better if you allowed a vacancy period to get the electrical work 512 00:35:52,186 --> 00:35:52,895 done as well. 513 00:35:52,895 --> 00:35:53,172 Yeah. 514 00:35:53,221 --> 00:35:53,874 So we look at that. 515 00:35:53,940 --> 00:35:57,914 As soon as we get the permit, then we look at our block, our schedule, 516 00:35:57,914 --> 00:35:59,333 and And block a week off. 517 00:35:59,462 --> 00:36:00,569 Okay. All right. Thank you. 518 00:36:00,569 --> 00:36:01,676 That's the plan. 519 00:36:01,676 --> 00:36:05,030 I had a second question regarding the swimming pool. 520 00:36:05,030 --> 00:36:09,867 What was the nature of that violation with the swimming pool that has since 521 00:36:09,867 --> 00:36:11,221 been corrected? Am I— 522 00:36:11,221 --> 00:36:13,160 Well, no, with the swimming pool, 523 00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:17,979 it's just part of the short-term vacation rental requirements where we just got to 524 00:36:17,979 --> 00:36:22,387 make sure that it's fenced. And then they're like the alarms for the doors. 525 00:36:23,352 --> 00:36:23,971 The alarm sounds. 526 00:36:23,971 --> 00:36:25,225 That's all in compliance? 527 00:36:25,225 --> 00:36:28,370 I have not, I have not inspected the home. 528 00:36:28,370 --> 00:36:31,889 So I'm waiting for the, for this to go through. 529 00:36:31,889 --> 00:36:35,783 Then once, once we see that the permit is, is final, 530 00:36:35,783 --> 00:36:39,078 then that's when we initiate our inspection. 531 00:36:39,078 --> 00:36:39,719 Okay. 532 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:40,570 It's all part of it, 533 00:36:40,570 --> 00:36:43,846 so it won't get signed off on unless that's been taken place or unless that's 534 00:36:43,846 --> 00:36:44,229 happened. 535 00:36:44,294 --> 00:36:44,422 Yeah. 536 00:36:44,422 --> 00:36:47,644 And you're, you're fully aware of what all the violations are and what all your 537 00:36:47,644 --> 00:36:48,501 requirements will be? 538 00:36:48,501 --> 00:36:48,967 Yes. 539 00:36:49,174 --> 00:36:52,114 Yeah, we got all Pretty much everything's done except the fire— 540 00:36:52,114 --> 00:36:54,540 the smoke and fire alarm because it's not hardwired. 541 00:36:54,540 --> 00:36:54,850 All right. 542 00:36:54,850 --> 00:36:57,528 Okay. Anything, uh, you guys would like to add in closing for the city? 543 00:36:57,528 --> 00:36:59,300 Freezer, anything you'd like to add in closing? 544 00:36:59,300 --> 00:37:00,450 Yeah, 2 months. 545 00:37:00,450 --> 00:37:00,630 Anything? 546 00:37:00,630 --> 00:37:01,430 2 months. 547 00:37:01,430 --> 00:37:05,563 All good. Okay, I'm going to close the public portion of this. And discussion? 548 00:37:05,563 --> 00:37:08,530 We're talking about extending the timeline a little bit. 549 00:37:08,530 --> 00:37:12,070 I'm agreeable to it. Yes, at least 2 months because of the electrical issue. 550 00:37:12,070 --> 00:37:12,650 Yeah. 551 00:37:12,650 --> 00:37:12,990 Okay. 552 00:37:12,990 --> 00:37:14,130 For 10— getting an electric— 553 00:37:14,130 --> 00:37:15,240 I think we're all in agreement. 554 00:37:15,240 --> 00:37:19,657 We've had a couple of them like this in the past though. 555 00:37:19,657 --> 00:37:24,154 You got people that are coming down and Is that a Monday? 556 00:37:24,154 --> 00:37:28,492 Residing in those buildings during this period of time. 557 00:37:28,492 --> 00:37:33,777 And, and to extend this period is a safety factor for those people. 558 00:37:33,777 --> 00:37:37,646 Well, they're currently in there with battery-operated ones. 559 00:37:37,646 --> 00:37:39,710 That's still— they still go off. 560 00:37:39,710 --> 00:37:41,227 Yeah, you make a good point. 561 00:37:41,227 --> 00:37:45,290 Do you have a— you like the recommended timeline more so than extending it? 562 00:37:45,290 --> 00:37:47,295 Is that what you're saying, Mr. Buck? 563 00:37:47,295 --> 00:37:49,107 Yeah, I'd like to keep him on. 564 00:37:49,107 --> 00:37:55,685 I'm agreeable to— well, do we want to poll the board? I'm okay with 60 days. 565 00:37:55,685 --> 00:37:57,049 60? 566 00:37:57,049 --> 00:37:58,621 You're thinking 60? 567 00:37:58,621 --> 00:37:59,487 Yeah, the most. 568 00:37:59,487 --> 00:38:02,279 The most, yes. And Ms. Hoskins? 569 00:38:02,279 --> 00:38:05,545 All right, I'll make the motion. 570 00:38:05,545 --> 00:38:11,464 I move in case number CER 26-00268 to find the respondent— 571 00:38:11,464 --> 00:38:16,464 you know what, when Li Thien— Li Thi Ngoc Nguyen. 572 00:38:16,464 --> 00:38:16,883 Nguyen. 573 00:38:16,883 --> 00:38:24,038 In violation of the City of Largo Comprehensive Development Code 574 00:38:24,038 --> 00:38:29,740 Section CDC 15.18.B Parent 3, CDC 15.18.B Parent 1, 575 00:38:29,740 --> 00:38:32,087 CDC 15.18.B Parent 2, 576 00:38:32,087 --> 00:38:39,242 CDC 15.18.E And CDC 15.18.B Parent 4 for the property located at 577 00:38:39,242 --> 00:38:44,832 2330 Kings Point Road Drive, Largo, Florida 33774, 578 00:38:44,832 --> 00:38:52,099 and to assess a fine of $250 per day beginning on September 18th, 579 00:38:52,099 --> 00:38:55,900 2026 until compliance is achieved, 580 00:38:55,900 --> 00:39:03,055 with the fine not exceeding the just market value of $1,382,486, 581 00:39:03,055 --> 00:39:09,986 and to order the respondent to contact the Community Standards 582 00:39:09,986 --> 00:39:17,253 Division to arrange for a re-inspection of the property to verify 583 00:39:17,253 --> 00:39:21,054 compliance with the board's order. 584 00:39:21,054 --> 00:39:22,178 I'll second that. 585 00:39:22,178 --> 00:39:26,629 Okay, I've got a motion by Mr. Bock, a second by Ms. Saffarelli. 586 00:39:26,629 --> 00:39:28,090 All in favor say aye. 587 00:39:28,090 --> 00:39:29,173 Aye. 588 00:39:29,173 --> 00:39:30,123 Any opposed? 589 00:39:31,271 --> 00:39:34,985 Okay, the motion passes. September— what was that date? 18th. 590 00:39:34,985 --> 00:39:38,760 Okay, so keep working towards it. Stay in touch with the city. 591 00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:42,901 Let them know once everything is done and ready for that inspection. 592 00:39:42,901 --> 00:39:47,954 Okay, hopefully we should be done by the end of this month, but we'll see with the, 593 00:39:47,954 --> 00:39:51,912 uh— Sooner the better, for sure. Thanks for coming in. Thank you. 594 00:39:51,912 --> 00:39:57,142 Page 12 for number 38. 595 00:39:57,392 --> 00:40:00,225 Perfect. Thank you so much. 596 00:40:00,225 --> 00:40:06,205 Page 12, agenda item number 38, case number CER-26-00190, 597 00:40:06,205 --> 00:40:11,345 John M. Grant at 416 5th Street Northwest, Largo, 598 00:40:11,345 --> 00:40:15,017 Florida 33770. Code Officer Knotts. 599 00:40:15,017 --> 00:40:21,818 Afternoon. Code Officer Knotts representing City of Largo. 600 00:40:21,818 --> 00:40:28,854 This is case number CER-26-00190. Respondent, John M. Grant. 601 00:40:28,854 --> 00:40:36,711 Property address is 416 5th Street Northwest, Largo, Florida 33770. 602 00:40:36,711 --> 00:40:40,346 This is a homesteaded property. 603 00:40:40,346 --> 00:40:43,864 The violations are CDC 18.2.5, 604 00:40:43,864 --> 00:40:48,555 exterior structure protective treatment. 605 00:40:48,555 --> 00:40:53,949 CDC 18.2.5, exterior structure roofs drainage. 606 00:40:53,949 --> 00:40:54,095 Okay. 607 00:40:54,858 --> 00:41:00,105 CDC 18.2.5, exterior structure stairways, decks, porches, and balconies, 608 00:41:00,105 --> 00:41:03,312 and COO 11-47, duty of owners and occupants. 609 00:41:03,312 --> 00:41:07,904 The initial inspection of the property was on March 11th, 2026. 610 00:41:07,904 --> 00:41:11,621 The notice of violation was dated March 11th, 2026. 611 00:41:11,621 --> 00:41:16,066 The notice of violation compliance date was April 26th, 2026, 612 00:41:16,066 --> 00:41:19,565 and the re-inspection date was April 27th, 2026. 613 00:41:19,565 --> 00:41:22,626 The re-inspection result is non-compliant. 614 00:41:22,626 --> 00:41:28,456 Notice of violation was sent via certified mail to the listed property owner and 615 00:41:28,456 --> 00:41:31,007 Pinellas County Property Appraiser, 616 00:41:31,007 --> 00:41:34,870 and the notice of hearing was posted on the property, 617 00:41:34,870 --> 00:41:37,275 posted in the lobby of City Hall, 618 00:41:37,275 --> 00:41:42,814 and sent via certified mail to the listed property owner and Pinellas County 619 00:41:42,814 --> 00:41:48,353 Property Appraiser. This is the notice of hearing posted on July 15th, 2026. 620 00:41:48,353 --> 00:41:53,819 This is the front view of the property. Uh, you can see the roof is tarped. 621 00:41:53,819 --> 00:41:57,681 There's, uh, debris and materials on the front porch. 622 00:41:57,681 --> 00:42:02,783 The, uh, fascia all along the property is unpainted and deteriorating. 623 00:42:02,783 --> 00:42:08,322 Uh, there's various sections of unpainted raw lumber that are deteriorating. 624 00:42:08,322 --> 00:42:12,986 Another close-up there. This is the front porch of the property. 625 00:42:12,986 --> 00:42:16,047 Um, essentially, to get to the front door, 626 00:42:16,047 --> 00:42:20,566 you have to walk on a gangplank that shifts as you walk on it. 627 00:42:20,566 --> 00:42:24,866 It's incredibly dangerous. Another front view of the porch. 628 00:42:24,866 --> 00:42:27,781 Um, those palm fronds have been removed, 629 00:42:27,781 --> 00:42:33,757 but now there's still just a pile of wood stacked up on the porch, and it's still, 630 00:42:33,757 --> 00:42:38,276 um, in the state it was where you have to walk across a plank. 631 00:42:38,276 --> 00:42:40,900 This is a side view of the property. 632 00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:46,366 Again, you can see some deteriorated siding there, um, tarp on the roof and 633 00:42:46,366 --> 00:42:46,949 siding there, um, tarp on the roof and the, uh, 634 00:42:46,949 --> 00:42:52,561 fascia. The corrective action is to remove all junk trash and debris from the 635 00:42:52,561 --> 00:42:56,933 property, maintain all exterior surfaces in sound condition, 636 00:42:56,933 --> 00:43:02,910 maintain all exterior stairways, decks, porches, and balconies in sound condition, 637 00:43:02,910 --> 00:43:07,355 and maintain the roof, soffit, and fascia in sound condition. 638 00:43:07,355 --> 00:43:10,781 Staff recommends giving the respondent, John M. 639 00:43:10,781 --> 00:43:14,716 Grant, until August 31st, 2026, to achieve compliance. 640 00:43:14,716 --> 00:43:16,903 If compliance is not achieved, 641 00:43:16,903 --> 00:43:22,223 staff recommends the Code Enforcement Board impose a fine of $250 per day 642 00:43:22,223 --> 00:43:22,879 Board impose a fine of $250 per day beginning 643 00:43:22,879 --> 00:43:27,981 on September 1st, 2026, until the property is brought into compliance, 644 00:43:27,981 --> 00:43:33,592 with the fine not to exceed the just market value established by the Pinellas 645 00:43:33,592 --> 00:43:34,030 market value established by the Pinellas County 646 00:43:34,030 --> 00:43:36,289 Property Appraiser of $133,929. 647 00:43:36,289 --> 00:43:39,022 Second. 648 00:43:40,715 --> 00:43:41,891 And that's it for my presentation. 649 00:43:41,891 --> 00:43:43,100 All right. 650 00:43:43,100 --> 00:43:43,874 Is this homesteaded? 651 00:43:43,874 --> 00:43:44,663 Yes. 652 00:43:44,663 --> 00:43:48,355 Yes, it is a homesteaded property. Hello, sir. 653 00:43:48,355 --> 00:43:52,288 Please state your full name and property address. 654 00:43:52,288 --> 00:43:57,424 John Grant, 416 5th Street Northwest, Largo, Florida, uh, 33770. 655 00:43:57,424 --> 00:43:59,912 And you live in the home there? 656 00:43:59,912 --> 00:44:00,385 Yes. 657 00:44:00,385 --> 00:44:02,427 Great. Thanks for coming today. What would you like to say? 658 00:44:02,427 --> 00:44:05,132 It's being done. 659 00:44:05,132 --> 00:44:06,743 Okay. Massive stuff. 660 00:44:06,743 --> 00:44:13,188 Um, I right now have the permit to build the fence around the back of the house. 661 00:44:13,188 --> 00:44:17,458 That's to secure my back, and, um, I'm working on it. 662 00:44:17,458 --> 00:44:23,661 I'm also working with the girls upstairs to get permit for the, for the roof. 663 00:44:23,661 --> 00:44:29,462 The roof, before I do it, I need to pull off the, the porch, porch roof. 664 00:44:29,462 --> 00:44:34,537 I have to pull it off the To rebuild the structure of the roof. 665 00:44:34,537 --> 00:44:38,312 So that's the first thing I have to do. 666 00:44:41,312 --> 00:44:43,810 What do I tell you? Just step by step. 667 00:44:43,810 --> 00:44:47,474 Yeah, okay. So you agree you're out of compliance, 668 00:44:47,474 --> 00:44:50,552 you're working towards becoming compliant. 669 00:44:50,552 --> 00:44:50,941 Yes. 670 00:44:50,941 --> 00:44:56,144 Which is the goal here. Okay, well, very good. Any questions? 671 00:44:56,144 --> 00:44:58,072 Are you going to do the work yourself? 672 00:44:58,503 --> 00:44:58,921 Yes, ma'am. 673 00:44:58,921 --> 00:44:59,507 That was my next question. 674 00:44:59,507 --> 00:45:03,026 Yeah, being you're the owner, just to get some advice, 675 00:45:03,026 --> 00:45:08,110 I think I'd be doing your fascia and soffit and all that when you do the roof, 676 00:45:08,110 --> 00:45:10,130 because one protects the other. 677 00:45:10,130 --> 00:45:11,567 Right, right, right, right. 678 00:45:11,567 --> 00:45:15,114 But from looking at— what is the house made of? 679 00:45:15,114 --> 00:45:19,492 Is it lumber that's rotting, or does it look like asphalt? 680 00:45:19,492 --> 00:45:20,926 You know, shingles. 681 00:45:20,926 --> 00:45:24,095 Oh, you mean the roof? What is the roof made of? Shingles are all coming off. 682 00:45:24,180 --> 00:45:25,498 Yeah, I think it's a shingle roof. 683 00:45:25,498 --> 00:45:29,214 I'm putting up the, um, I don't know what you call it, that, uh, the face— 684 00:45:29,519 --> 00:45:29,745 the— 685 00:45:29,745 --> 00:45:32,013 Yeah, your fascia and soffit have to go. 686 00:45:32,013 --> 00:45:34,062 Yes, ma'am. Okay. 687 00:45:34,062 --> 00:45:36,257 It's gonna take him longer than 30 days. 688 00:45:36,257 --> 00:45:40,194 Yes, and he can't do the roof himself. He'll need a contractor for that, right? 689 00:45:40,194 --> 00:45:44,162 No, he doesn't need a contractor if he's living in the house. It's his house. 690 00:45:44,162 --> 00:45:47,098 Oh, okay. I didn't know you could do a roof yourself. 691 00:45:47,098 --> 00:45:50,539 Yeah, if you live there and it's your home, he has the right to pull the 692 00:45:50,539 --> 00:45:50,921 home, he has the right to pull the permits. 693 00:45:50,921 --> 00:45:51,195 Okay. 694 00:45:51,390 --> 00:45:54,838 Which is why I'm saying it's gonna take a lot longer, 695 00:45:54,838 --> 00:45:59,978 'cause he's gotta do roof work, fascia, soffit. He's gotta pull off that porch. 696 00:45:59,978 --> 00:46:02,710 That isn't structurally sound, that porch. 697 00:46:02,710 --> 00:46:03,070 Correct. 698 00:46:03,070 --> 00:46:05,250 It isn't structurally sound to hold up that roof. 699 00:46:05,250 --> 00:46:07,539 And the fact that he's living there makes it a danger. 700 00:46:07,539 --> 00:46:08,990 2 2x4s? 701 00:46:08,990 --> 00:46:10,270 Excuse me? 702 00:46:10,270 --> 00:46:11,340 Looking at it now? 703 00:46:11,340 --> 00:46:12,610 The front? 704 00:46:12,610 --> 00:46:13,550 Are they 2x6s? 705 00:46:13,550 --> 00:46:14,790 Those are structural beams. 706 00:46:14,790 --> 00:46:15,050 Those are— 707 00:46:15,050 --> 00:46:16,580 I don't know the exact measurements. 708 00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:17,070 I'm sorry. 709 00:46:17,070 --> 00:46:18,290 He's trying to answer the question. 710 00:46:18,290 --> 00:46:19,650 I'm looking at them now. I'm trying to figure out— 711 00:46:20,250 --> 00:46:22,502 Pulled out the old beams and put the new ones in. 712 00:46:22,502 --> 00:46:24,770 Nice. These are larger than those. 713 00:46:24,770 --> 00:46:27,430 Yeah, they're, they're 4x4s. 714 00:46:27,430 --> 00:46:31,134 Okay, well, but they're rotten already. 715 00:46:31,134 --> 00:46:33,129 They already got wet. 716 00:46:33,129 --> 00:46:36,953 So the conversation here is, um, it needs more than a month. More than a month. 717 00:46:36,953 --> 00:46:39,228 Anything the city would like to add in closing? 718 00:46:39,228 --> 00:46:43,402 No. I did try to get him in touch with the housing department. 719 00:46:43,402 --> 00:46:46,163 Um, they were willing to offer him funds, 720 00:46:46,163 --> 00:46:51,078 but I was told he wasn't willing to insure the house to accept the funds. 721 00:46:51,078 --> 00:46:54,445 So this could have been taken care of a while ago. 722 00:46:54,445 --> 00:46:59,225 As of this time, the only permit I see on the property was for a fence, 723 00:46:59,225 --> 00:47:02,255 which wasn't cited. That's all I have to add. 724 00:47:02,255 --> 00:47:05,527 Okay, anything you'd like to add in closing before I close the public portion 725 00:47:05,527 --> 00:47:05,782 closing before I close the public portion and we 726 00:47:05,782 --> 00:47:08,332 continue our conversation? Okay, yeah, go ahead, Miss Smith. 727 00:47:08,332 --> 00:47:11,449 I have a question. If you're doing this yourself, 728 00:47:11,449 --> 00:47:14,629 how much time do you think it's going to take you? 729 00:47:14,629 --> 00:47:17,937 And are you here to ask the board for any extension? 730 00:47:17,937 --> 00:47:20,823 The fence is absolutely incredible, um, 731 00:47:20,823 --> 00:47:25,337 digging down and finding concrete and other stuff down there. 732 00:47:25,337 --> 00:47:31,331 I've been unbeliev— I have not believed the amount of stuff where I'm putting it, 733 00:47:31,331 --> 00:47:33,699 just trying to put the fence in. 734 00:47:33,699 --> 00:47:37,769 And that's the first thing that's been bogging me down. 735 00:47:37,769 --> 00:47:41,668 And you have the time and the physical ability and the money and all of that? 736 00:47:41,668 --> 00:47:42,579 You can handle it? 737 00:47:42,691 --> 00:47:42,819 All right. 738 00:47:43,172 --> 00:47:44,487 But was he cited for offense? 739 00:47:44,487 --> 00:47:47,324 No, the offense is not on here. He's just referencing how long it took. 740 00:47:47,324 --> 00:47:49,722 Wait a minute, when you pull the permit, 741 00:47:49,722 --> 00:47:53,438 how much time does he have after the permit to get a job done? 742 00:47:53,438 --> 00:47:58,113 He's got to put in for a permit first, right? And then he has how many months? 743 00:47:58,113 --> 00:47:59,524 It's 6 months. 744 00:47:59,524 --> 00:48:01,416 6 months to get the work done. 745 00:48:01,416 --> 00:48:03,548 Multiple inspections. Each inspection can extend. 746 00:48:03,548 --> 00:48:06,761 So the thing is, he's got to apply for a permit first. 747 00:48:06,761 --> 00:48:10,092 If you could do the drawings What is this about a fence? 748 00:48:10,413 --> 00:48:12,775 Why are we worried about a fence? There's no fence. There's no fence in this case. 749 00:48:12,775 --> 00:48:15,683 Sir, you were not cited for a fence violation. 750 00:48:15,683 --> 00:48:16,262 Right. 751 00:48:16,262 --> 00:48:17,869 So when you're asked— 752 00:48:17,869 --> 00:48:18,592 Your Honor, was. 753 00:48:18,592 --> 00:48:19,909 No. 754 00:48:19,909 --> 00:48:20,247 No. 755 00:48:20,247 --> 00:48:20,873 Oh. 756 00:48:20,873 --> 00:48:23,428 No, we're worried about the structure, not the fence. 757 00:48:23,428 --> 00:48:26,133 Well, because the fence has a permit application on it, 758 00:48:26,133 --> 00:48:29,920 we would be worried about the fence, but it's not cited on this case because— 759 00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,117 I want my fence up before there's any stolen items from the back. 760 00:48:34,065 --> 00:48:39,380 I got all my Could you put the pictures back up, please? 761 00:48:39,380 --> 00:48:40,072 Yeah, could you— 762 00:48:40,281 --> 00:48:45,135 yeah, show the pictures and maybe the compliance slide once again. 763 00:48:45,135 --> 00:48:48,887 So the main issues is the, the porch, I'm assuming. 764 00:48:48,887 --> 00:48:52,417 I don't want to assume, so can the code officer— 765 00:48:52,417 --> 00:48:54,406 Yeah, I didn't cite anything for the fence. 766 00:48:54,406 --> 00:48:56,811 It was just the main structure itself and the porch. 767 00:48:56,811 --> 00:49:00,234 He's never done this, so I never put anything about a fence in the notice. 768 00:49:00,472 --> 00:49:02,473 So do you understand that, sir, 769 00:49:02,473 --> 00:49:07,509 that the main concerns that you were actually cited for pertain to the repairs 770 00:49:07,509 --> 00:49:07,638 actually cited for pertain to the repairs of 771 00:49:07,638 --> 00:49:10,866 the porch and the main structure itself, the home? 772 00:49:10,866 --> 00:49:13,003 Is it the front porch or the rear porch? 773 00:49:13,003 --> 00:49:15,631 Could you answer that for us? 774 00:49:15,631 --> 00:49:16,342 All exterior. 775 00:49:16,342 --> 00:49:20,381 It's the, the front porch. We've never viewed the rear of your property. 776 00:49:20,381 --> 00:49:21,319 I don't understand what he wants. 777 00:49:21,319 --> 00:49:26,969 You don't understand what he wants in terms of compliance from the front porch? 778 00:49:26,969 --> 00:49:27,684 Could you— 779 00:49:27,684 --> 00:49:28,342 Yes. 780 00:49:28,342 --> 00:49:30,105 Provide some explanation for him? 781 00:49:30,105 --> 00:49:33,892 So the roof and soffit need to be repaired with a permit, 782 00:49:33,892 --> 00:49:36,350 and the permit needs to be finalized. 783 00:49:36,350 --> 00:49:41,532 The porch needs to be brought into a safe state and repaired with a permit and 784 00:49:41,532 --> 00:49:46,382 finalized, and any junk trash or debris on the porch needs to be removed, 785 00:49:46,382 --> 00:49:50,833 as well as any damaged siding on the building needs to be replaced. 786 00:49:50,833 --> 00:49:53,820 That's a whole lot more than just a porch. 787 00:49:54,160 --> 00:49:57,661 But if you give him a month to get the permit, 788 00:49:57,661 --> 00:49:59,868 and he does his own drawings, 789 00:49:59,868 --> 00:50:03,140 then he's got 6 months to do these repairs. 790 00:50:03,140 --> 00:50:04,919 I'd be happy to do the drawings. 791 00:50:06,222 --> 00:50:06,319 Yeah. 792 00:50:06,319 --> 00:50:11,145 Okay, so you understand as it pertains to the porch what needs to be done, 793 00:50:11,145 --> 00:50:14,732 the removal of the junk trash and debris, and put down, 794 00:50:14,732 --> 00:50:17,601 and the repair of the porch itself, correct? 795 00:50:17,601 --> 00:50:18,006 Yes, ma'am. 796 00:50:18,006 --> 00:50:20,783 Yeah. Okay. And the main structure What, 797 00:50:20,783 --> 00:50:25,017 what are those items under the main structure for compliance? 798 00:50:25,017 --> 00:50:30,476 The repair of the roof, soffit, siding, and the porch. 799 00:50:30,476 --> 00:50:31,295 Okay. 800 00:50:31,295 --> 00:50:33,125 That's with the roof also. 801 00:50:33,125 --> 00:50:33,623 Okay. 802 00:50:33,623 --> 00:50:33,719 Right. 803 00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,389 We're gonna have to stay in contact with him so as he can go over everything and 804 00:50:37,389 --> 00:50:38,536 tell you what's going on. 805 00:50:38,536 --> 00:50:39,243 No problem. 806 00:50:39,243 --> 00:50:41,860 That's the best way, basically. This is all new to you, so. 807 00:50:41,860 --> 00:50:42,277 Yeah. 808 00:50:42,277 --> 00:50:47,895 Well, I have a question though, but there were 45 days During those 45 days, 809 00:50:47,895 --> 00:50:50,112 were you in contact with them? 810 00:50:50,112 --> 00:50:52,208 Yeah, um, with the city, yes. 811 00:50:52,208 --> 00:50:54,675 Is that correct? 812 00:50:54,675 --> 00:50:57,133 Yes, I've spoke to Mr. Grant several times. 813 00:50:57,133 --> 00:51:01,936 Like I said, I was trying to coordinate to get him funds from the housing department 814 00:51:01,936 --> 00:51:06,281 to potentially have them do the work for him, which they were willing to do. 815 00:51:06,281 --> 00:51:10,054 He just wasn't willing to insure the house to receive those funds. 816 00:51:10,054 --> 00:51:12,970 So I was coordinating with him for quite some time. 817 00:51:12,970 --> 00:51:16,801 I believe it says the initial violation notice was mailed in April, 818 00:51:16,801 --> 00:51:20,231 so it's been a substantial amount of time. I'm sorry, March. 819 00:51:20,231 --> 00:51:20,568 March. 820 00:51:20,568 --> 00:51:21,754 March. Yeah. 821 00:51:21,754 --> 00:51:23,863 Okay, so the board understands, 822 00:51:23,863 --> 00:51:29,238 the city understands that we think it's going to take them a lot longer than 30 823 00:51:29,238 --> 00:51:29,510 going to take them a lot longer than 30 days 824 00:51:29,510 --> 00:51:34,681 to get this done. The city has been dealing with this issue since mid-March, 825 00:51:34,681 --> 00:51:39,171 so take that for what it is. We can decide what we want to decide. 826 00:51:39,252 --> 00:51:46,626 But I go all along with everything that was proposed, recommended, but not $250. 827 00:51:46,626 --> 00:51:49,796 But do you agree with the date, the due date? 828 00:51:49,796 --> 00:51:52,857 Yeah, because I don't know how good he is drawing plans. 829 00:51:52,857 --> 00:51:56,937 Right. And from what I understand, the permits have to be finalized. 830 00:51:56,937 --> 00:51:57,839 Correct. 831 00:51:57,839 --> 00:52:02,720 Which means his work has to be completed in order to be successfully reinspected. 832 00:52:02,720 --> 00:52:04,106 Do you understand that? 833 00:52:04,106 --> 00:52:04,819 Yes, ma'am. 834 00:52:04,819 --> 00:52:06,488 You think you can get it done in 30 days? 835 00:52:06,986 --> 00:52:07,484 I hope so. 836 00:52:07,484 --> 00:52:10,230 You're gonna hustle? Let's go 45. 837 00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:14,485 I'm recommending September 1st. I'd go at least another couple of weeks. 838 00:52:14,485 --> 00:52:15,432 Yeah. 839 00:52:15,432 --> 00:52:19,093 Yeah, I wouldn't go to 250 because that seems crazy. 840 00:52:19,093 --> 00:52:21,471 If he's doing it himself and living in there, 841 00:52:21,471 --> 00:52:23,637 then he knows the urgency and the danger. 842 00:52:23,637 --> 00:52:28,602 But all he's got to do is get the paperwork done and his permit. 843 00:52:28,602 --> 00:52:32,714 Then he can start all the work and he's got 6 months. 844 00:52:32,714 --> 00:52:37,137 6 months to finish the work if he pulls an active permit, 845 00:52:37,137 --> 00:52:40,628 and he can always go for an extension, right? 846 00:52:40,628 --> 00:52:44,657 And until those permits are finalized, though, he won't be in compliance, 847 00:52:44,657 --> 00:52:46,533 so he would still reach that date. 848 00:52:46,533 --> 00:52:51,751 I know, but I'm saying if he draws the permits himself and he goes down and he 849 00:52:51,751 --> 00:52:56,501 submits them, he's got 60 days to do all that, I'd say, hypothetically. 850 00:52:56,501 --> 00:52:59,846 And then he's got 6 months to finish all the work. 851 00:52:59,846 --> 00:53:02,054 And if he isn't finished by then, 852 00:53:02,054 --> 00:53:07,005 he can come in and ask for an extension at the building department, right? 853 00:53:07,005 --> 00:53:08,063 You're talking about on the permit? 854 00:53:08,063 --> 00:53:09,986 Yeah, you're just talking about on the permitting. 855 00:53:10,082 --> 00:53:10,322 Yes. 856 00:53:10,563 --> 00:53:13,780 For the permit enforcement end, which we're focusing on, 857 00:53:13,780 --> 00:53:18,032 is if these are not finalized by the date that you guys are about to give, 858 00:53:18,032 --> 00:53:19,985 regardless of the extensions that— 859 00:53:19,985 --> 00:53:23,447 I understand that. So I'm saying, yes, that is exactly how it works. 860 00:53:23,447 --> 00:53:25,687 60 days, because he's drawn his own permits. 861 00:53:25,687 --> 00:53:29,150 And they have to go through permitting, inspections, and that stuff. 862 00:53:29,150 --> 00:53:30,728 Then he can start all his work. 863 00:53:30,728 --> 00:53:32,366 And then each time— 864 00:53:32,366 --> 00:53:34,297 And then each time, if he needs an extension, 865 00:53:34,297 --> 00:53:36,443 you can go in and talk to them about an extension. 866 00:53:36,443 --> 00:53:40,455 Yeah, but let's not convolute the 2 things. We're here about the violation. 867 00:53:40,455 --> 00:53:40,857 That's what I'm saying. 868 00:53:40,857 --> 00:53:41,113 Yeah. 869 00:53:41,113 --> 00:53:43,938 2 months, but I don't recommend $250. 870 00:53:43,938 --> 00:53:44,324 Okay. 871 00:53:44,324 --> 00:53:45,897 I just think that's a lot. 872 00:53:45,897 --> 00:53:50,544 For the fine amount, remember, you have factors that you have to consider. 873 00:53:50,544 --> 00:53:55,253 It's the gravity of the violation, whether there were repeat violations on, 874 00:53:55,253 --> 00:53:59,963 for this property owner and the steps that he has taken so far to come into 875 00:53:59,963 --> 00:54:03,856 compliance, right, to correct the violation. So the 3 factors. 876 00:54:03,856 --> 00:54:08,063 So when you are, uh, assessing fine amount all the way to the $250, 877 00:54:08,063 --> 00:54:12,647 those are the factors that you need to be thinking about and considering. 878 00:54:12,647 --> 00:54:16,210 Thank you very much. Okay, any more conversation? 879 00:54:16,210 --> 00:54:19,192 Anybody feel comfortable making a motion? 880 00:54:19,192 --> 00:54:20,133 I'll make the motion. Thank you. 881 00:54:20,706 --> 00:54:20,965 Thank you. 882 00:54:20,965 --> 00:54:27,585 I move in case number CER 26-00190 to find the respondent, John M. 883 00:54:27,585 --> 00:54:34,306 Grant, in violation of CDC 18.2.5.C1, CDC 18.2.5.C5, CDC 18.2.5.C8, 884 00:54:34,306 --> 00:54:41,729 and COO 11-47 for the property located At 416 5th Street Northwest, Largo, 885 00:54:41,729 --> 00:54:49,452 Florida 33770, and to assess a fine of $100 per day beginning on October 1st, 886 00:54:49,452 --> 00:54:52,963 2026, until compliance is achieved, 887 00:54:52,963 --> 00:54:59,182 with the fine not exceeding the just market value of $133,929, 888 00:54:59,182 --> 00:55:06,605 and to order the respondent to contact the Community Standards Division to 889 00:55:06,605 --> 00:55:11,018 arrange for a re-inspection of the property. 890 00:55:11,018 --> 00:55:15,532 to verify compliance with this board's order. 891 00:55:15,532 --> 00:55:17,177 I'll second that. 892 00:55:17,177 --> 00:55:18,742 I already had a second. 893 00:55:18,742 --> 00:55:25,070 I think she missed a number on one of the CDC violations. 894 00:55:25,070 --> 00:55:30,621 I think you missed the middle 5 on the second one, 895 00:55:30,621 --> 00:55:31,731 18.2.5.C5. 896 00:55:31,731 --> 00:55:32,961 I believe I read it correctly, but— 897 00:55:32,961 --> 00:55:33,963 So amended? 898 00:55:33,963 --> 00:55:39,727 If necessary, if it was not read correctly, 899 00:55:39,727 --> 00:55:45,358 I will amend the violations to include CDC 900 00:55:45,358 --> 00:55:52,194 18.2.5.C5. 18.2.5.C1, CDC 18.2.5.C5, CDC 18.2.5.C8, 901 00:55:52,194 --> 00:55:54,071 and COO 11-47. 902 00:55:54,573 --> 00:55:54,848 Thank you. 903 00:55:54,848 --> 00:55:56,791 You need a second for that amendment. 904 00:55:56,791 --> 00:55:57,535 Yeah, I'll second that. 905 00:55:57,535 --> 00:55:59,623 Ma'am, I have something to add to it. 906 00:55:59,623 --> 00:56:05,299 Sir, the public portion is closed at the moment, so let them deliberate. 907 00:56:05,299 --> 00:56:08,191 Okay. Amended motion by Ms. 908 00:56:08,191 --> 00:56:13,438 Smith and a second by, I believe it was Mr. Bach. 909 00:56:13,438 --> 00:56:15,687 All in favor say aye. 910 00:56:15,687 --> 00:56:16,397 Aye. 911 00:56:16,397 --> 00:56:20,764 Any opposed? Motion passes. Did you want to add something, sir? 912 00:56:20,764 --> 00:56:26,309 Yes, um, the, the people at Sears were looking for a way of addressing the— how, 913 00:56:26,309 --> 00:56:30,883 how to put down, um, what kind of work am I going to be doing, um, 914 00:56:30,883 --> 00:56:35,874 the work I'm going to be pulling the porch off of the back of the house, 915 00:56:35,874 --> 00:56:40,310 and she wanted to know how, you know, how would I write that up? 916 00:56:40,310 --> 00:56:44,200 Um, he's got to go through the building department. 917 00:56:44,200 --> 00:56:45,100 Yeah. 918 00:56:45,100 --> 00:56:46,730 Yeah, you got to talk with these guys. 919 00:56:46,730 --> 00:56:47,220 Okay. 920 00:56:47,220 --> 00:56:48,140 Yes, thank you. 921 00:56:48,140 --> 00:56:49,919 And they'll help you with anything you need. 922 00:56:49,919 --> 00:56:50,480 Bingo. 923 00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,425 Okay, so you'll get, um, you'll get information about this, 924 00:56:53,425 --> 00:56:56,020 but do you understand what we just found here today? 925 00:56:56,020 --> 00:56:56,120 Absolutely. 926 00:56:56,120 --> 00:56:58,080 Okay, perfect. Thank you for coming in. Keep working towards— 927 00:56:58,080 --> 00:56:58,860 Thank you. 928 00:56:58,860 --> 00:56:59,680 Working towards getting it done. 929 00:57:00,570 --> 00:57:03,740 And we move to, uh, number 9 on page 5. 930 00:57:03,740 --> 00:57:07,200 You had an amended motion. Do you need to go back to the original motion? 931 00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:08,560 We passed the original motion. 932 00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:09,800 We just passed— 933 00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:11,970 Oh, I took a vote for the amended— the amendment. 934 00:57:11,970 --> 00:57:15,980 Yeah, we passed the amendment. Now you need to go back to the original. 935 00:57:15,980 --> 00:57:16,420 Yeah. 936 00:57:16,420 --> 00:57:17,160 Do we not? 937 00:57:17,160 --> 00:57:20,592 No, because there was an agreement. It was a friendly amendment, right? 938 00:57:20,592 --> 00:57:21,220 So there was— 939 00:57:21,220 --> 00:57:21,780 yeah. Yeah. 940 00:57:21,780 --> 00:57:23,260 And what now? 941 00:57:23,260 --> 00:57:24,300 My attorney says I'm good. 942 00:57:24,300 --> 00:57:25,280 Just want to make sure. 943 00:57:25,280 --> 00:57:27,460 Not your attorney. 944 00:57:27,460 --> 00:57:28,360 Oh no, not my attorney. 945 00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:29,220 The board attorney. 946 00:57:29,423 --> 00:57:30,523 No, it's our attorney. 947 00:57:30,523 --> 00:57:34,842 Our attorney. Thank you. All right. 948 00:57:34,842 --> 00:57:37,236 So item number 9 on page 5. 949 00:57:37,236 --> 00:57:38,563 Thank you. What is it? 950 00:57:38,563 --> 00:57:39,499 Hearing aid. 951 00:57:39,499 --> 00:57:40,662 Oh, that's okay. 952 00:57:40,808 --> 00:57:43,489 I mean, I can hear fine, or you just want me to test it? 953 00:57:43,489 --> 00:57:50,223 All right, we are moving to page number 5, item number 9, 954 00:57:50,223 --> 00:57:56,367 case number CER-25-00431, Christy J. Pallas at 3786. 955 00:57:56,367 --> 00:58:00,502 Anglers Lane, Largo, Florida 33774. 956 00:58:00,502 --> 00:58:03,337 Chief Code Officer Cruz. 957 00:58:03,337 --> 00:58:05,966 Thank you, Code Enforcement Board. 958 00:58:05,966 --> 00:58:09,831 This is Code Enforcement case number CER-25-00431. 959 00:58:09,831 --> 00:58:13,697 Um, the property itself, um, as you can see there, 960 00:58:13,697 --> 00:58:16,944 I do have the affidavit of non-compliance. 961 00:58:16,944 --> 00:58:20,733 They were to comply on or before July 29th, 2026. 962 00:58:20,733 --> 00:58:25,758 Um, if they were not to comply by the 29th Fines were— excuse me, 963 00:58:25,758 --> 00:58:30,784 fines were to start July 30th at $100 per day, and unfortunately, 964 00:58:30,784 --> 00:58:36,041 there is no permit that has been applied for, issued, and finalized. 965 00:58:36,041 --> 00:58:41,675 Okay, I do see the affidavit of non-compliance on the screen 966 00:58:41,675 --> 00:58:47,497 here. Um, hello, sir. Please state your name and your address. 967 00:58:47,497 --> 00:58:50,900 My name is David Martin, M-A-R-T-I-N. 968 00:58:50,900 --> 00:58:56,695 Um, I'm the co-resident at the property listed by Officer Cruz. 969 00:58:56,695 --> 00:59:03,318 Uh, we're temporarily staying at 13211 Whispering Palms Place Southwest. 970 00:59:03,318 --> 00:59:06,659 So you're now no longer at Whispering Palms? 971 00:59:06,659 --> 00:59:08,062 No, that's where we are now. 972 00:59:08,062 --> 00:59:10,535 You're currently living there, but you— 973 00:59:10,535 --> 00:59:12,627 when the property is inhabitable, 974 00:59:12,627 --> 00:59:16,114 you co-reside at the subject property at Angler's Lane? 975 00:59:16,114 --> 00:59:16,773 That's correct, Chairman. 976 00:59:17,596 --> 00:59:21,844 Okay, and, um, we have received— okay, you knew where I was going with that. 977 00:59:21,924 --> 00:59:22,101 Yep. 978 00:59:22,341 --> 00:59:25,043 Okay, thank you very much. Thanks for coming in. What would you like to say 979 00:59:25,043 --> 00:59:25,259 coming in. What would you like to say today? 980 00:59:25,259 --> 00:59:29,275 Well, first, if you don't mind, you're not showing any permit activity, 981 00:59:29,275 --> 00:59:33,800 and I can pull that up for you and you can see, but I will pull that up for you, 982 00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:34,139 right? 983 00:59:34,203 --> 00:59:35,239 If not, you're right. 984 00:59:35,239 --> 00:59:39,086 When I leave here, I'm going straight on the phone to call the people that are 985 00:59:39,086 --> 00:59:40,615 supposed to be pulling permits. 986 00:59:40,936 --> 00:59:44,609 I think I literally just checked this morning, so It's always good to 987 00:59:44,609 --> 00:59:45,301 morning, so It's always good to double-check, 988 00:59:45,301 --> 00:59:47,484 and we will have it on record, of course. 989 00:59:47,484 --> 00:59:49,931 And sir, you can— if you check one of the monitors, 990 00:59:49,931 --> 00:59:52,377 you'll be able to see what he's pulling up as well. 991 00:59:52,377 --> 00:59:56,674 Oh, this is a roof— this was a roof permit that was applied for. 992 00:59:56,674 --> 00:59:57,387 Oh, okay. 993 00:59:57,549 --> 01:00:04,145 Thank you. Yeah, that's who's over there working, so I was hoping that was the 994 01:00:04,145 --> 01:00:04,568 working, so I was hoping that was the case. 995 01:00:04,568 --> 01:00:06,682 Okay, um, good afternoon. 996 01:00:06,682 --> 01:00:13,194 Um, I want to thank the board for allowing me to respond, um, to this and Um, 997 01:00:13,194 --> 01:00:16,746 if it's possible, I'd like to, to respond. 998 01:00:16,746 --> 01:00:22,835 Um, I'll make it as short and sweet as I can, but in 2, 2 different, uh, 999 01:00:22,835 --> 01:00:27,486 2 different ways, or 2 different points I want to make. 1000 01:00:27,486 --> 01:00:30,361 First off is the violation itself. 1001 01:00:30,361 --> 01:00:35,351 Um, on May 1st, 2005, we were cited by an Officer McMillan. 1002 01:00:35,351 --> 01:00:35,837 Yes. 1003 01:00:36,464 --> 01:00:40,228 for 3 items. One was to deal with the dock, 1004 01:00:40,228 --> 01:00:45,831 one was to deal with a vehicle, and the other was with the pool. 1005 01:00:45,831 --> 01:00:51,170 Those items were taken care of to Officer McMillan's— he was— 1006 01:00:51,170 --> 01:00:56,160 he said everything was taken care of to his satisfaction. 1007 01:00:56,160 --> 01:01:01,675 And the last we heard from the city was on September 3rd, 2005. 1008 01:01:01,675 --> 01:01:02,045 Okay. 1009 01:01:03,482 --> 01:01:06,766 On March 9th, I received a violation— 1010 01:01:06,766 --> 01:01:11,735 or we received a violation notice from Officer Cruz, um, 1011 01:01:11,735 --> 01:01:18,036 under the same case number but completely different list of violations. 1012 01:01:18,036 --> 01:01:24,958 Um, when I spoke with Officer Cruz, we exchanged emails, a couple phone calls. 1013 01:01:24,958 --> 01:01:27,443 He explained to me that, um, 1014 01:01:27,443 --> 01:01:34,365 Officer McMillin should have cited all these other things when he was there in 1015 01:01:34,365 --> 01:01:38,181 2005, but did not for whatever reason. And— 1016 01:01:38,181 --> 01:01:38,829 '25. 1017 01:01:38,829 --> 01:01:44,385 It was no longer with us. Officer McMillin was no longer with the city. 1018 01:01:44,385 --> 01:01:49,862 So the point I'm trying to make is, and I said all this the last time, 1019 01:01:49,862 --> 01:01:52,757 I just want to do a little refresher, 1020 01:01:52,757 --> 01:01:58,156 was that These violations that I'm standing here before you today is— 1021 01:01:58,156 --> 01:02:04,729 were all brand new to us in March of this year, even though it's a 2025 case number. 1022 01:02:04,729 --> 01:02:05,766 Isn't this— 1023 01:02:05,766 --> 01:02:08,034 They really don't have anything to do with each other. 1024 01:02:08,034 --> 01:02:08,779 Second— 1025 01:02:08,779 --> 01:02:12,190 At least we don't think so. Could be wrong. 1026 01:02:12,190 --> 01:02:17,266 The other issue we're dealing with, which I explained last time, 1027 01:02:17,266 --> 01:02:22,976 is When the house was damaged during Hurricane Helene, we had, well, Ms. 1028 01:02:22,976 --> 01:02:26,704 Pallas, Christy, I'm going to call her Christy. 1029 01:02:27,010 --> 01:02:27,187 Sure. 1030 01:02:27,348 --> 01:02:30,763 That's what I call her. So it's gonna trip me up if I keep saying Ms. Pallas. 1031 01:02:30,763 --> 01:02:31,913 No problem. 1032 01:02:31,913 --> 01:02:35,581 Christy had a home equity line through Wells Fargo. 1033 01:02:35,581 --> 01:02:41,479 So all the paperwork and everything that the adjuster completed and filed with the 1034 01:02:41,479 --> 01:02:47,162 insurance company, and everything the insurance company did was had Wells Fargo 1035 01:02:47,162 --> 01:02:47,306 insurance company did was had Wells Fargo on 1036 01:02:47,306 --> 01:02:52,341 the paperwork, rightfully so, because they had a lien on the property. 1037 01:02:52,341 --> 01:02:57,735 By the time she got the first check, which I think was either end of April, 1038 01:02:57,735 --> 01:03:02,986 first part of May of 2025, she had paid off the home equity line in full. 1039 01:03:02,986 --> 01:03:05,216 It was all settled, closed out. 1040 01:03:05,216 --> 01:03:10,826 She had received the the lien letter, lien release, whatever, from the county. 1041 01:03:10,826 --> 01:03:15,070 It was all done. She got the check, took it to Wells Fargo, 1042 01:03:15,070 --> 01:03:20,321 wanted them to just sign the money over because at that point they really 1043 01:03:20,321 --> 01:03:20,968 because at that point they really shouldn't 1044 01:03:20,968 --> 01:03:25,859 have had any, um, you know, um, they weren't able— the money wasn't— 1045 01:03:25,859 --> 01:03:31,398 they weren't entitled to any of the money. The loan was closed. They refused. 1046 01:03:31,398 --> 01:03:36,073 Um, they insisted that she deposit the money in Wells Fargo in an 1047 01:03:36,073 --> 01:03:37,224 money in Wells Fargo in an interest-bearing 1048 01:03:37,224 --> 01:03:40,532 account, and then she could use it from there. 1049 01:03:40,532 --> 01:03:46,215 Well, she refused because obviously they didn't have claim to the money at that 1050 01:03:46,215 --> 01:03:48,948 point. So over the next 3 or 4 months, 1051 01:03:48,948 --> 01:03:53,192 going up the food chain at Wells Fargo and getting nowhere, 1052 01:03:53,192 --> 01:03:58,155 she contacted the insurance company, explained the situation to them. 1053 01:03:58,155 --> 01:04:01,607 They were like, sure, we understand, no problem. 1054 01:04:01,607 --> 01:04:05,204 If you provide us the documentation that the line— 1055 01:04:05,204 --> 01:04:09,591 that the loan has been settled and the lien has been cleared, 1056 01:04:09,591 --> 01:04:13,907 we'll issue a check to you with just your name on it. Great. 1057 01:04:13,907 --> 01:04:16,137 She provided all the paperwork. 1058 01:04:16,137 --> 01:04:21,459 Several months later, another check shows up, still has Wells Fargo on it. 1059 01:04:21,459 --> 01:04:25,991 Repeat the process. Long story short, on June 4th of this year, 1060 01:04:25,991 --> 01:04:29,947 she finally received the check for the full settlement. 1061 01:04:30,730 --> 01:04:30,843 with— 1062 01:04:30,843 --> 01:04:33,476 in just her name. Several days later, 1063 01:04:33,476 --> 01:04:39,098 she went to MidFlorida because she's done with Wells Fargo, um, deposited them, 1064 01:04:39,098 --> 01:04:42,088 opened a new account, deposited the money. 1065 01:04:42,088 --> 01:04:46,785 And there's obviously a hold with a new account and a large check. 1066 01:04:46,785 --> 01:04:51,695 So the money finally became available about the 23rd or 24th of June. 1067 01:04:51,695 --> 01:04:57,033 Since that time, we've gotten the ball rolling on getting things corrected. 1068 01:04:57,033 --> 01:05:02,726 First thing we needed to do was get an electrical inspection, which that didn't— 1069 01:05:02,726 --> 01:05:05,004 from what I heard from the city, 1070 01:05:05,004 --> 01:05:10,412 didn't require a permit unless they found something that had to be repaired. 1071 01:05:10,412 --> 01:05:16,248 Luckily, except for a new pool pump timer and a new pool pump, which we knew that, 1072 01:05:16,248 --> 01:05:21,515 we were good. We've pulled— we've got a roofer That's working on the roof. 1073 01:05:21,515 --> 01:05:27,350 Um, the air conditioner guy is supposed to be out next week, the end of next week. 1074 01:05:27,350 --> 01:05:32,332 Um, so now we have the pool— new pool pump and timer's been installed, 1075 01:05:32,332 --> 01:05:36,673 so the water is circulating, will be circulating in the pool. 1076 01:05:36,673 --> 01:05:42,082 Um, as soon as the AC is up and running, I can get in there and finish what, 1077 01:05:42,082 --> 01:05:45,071 what a little bit of demolition has to do. 1078 01:05:45,071 --> 01:05:51,049 We'll, we'll be getting with the city And get one of their small dumpsters so we can 1079 01:05:51,049 --> 01:05:56,316 finish the demolition and then start, you know, probably with the kitchen, 1080 01:05:56,316 --> 01:06:02,152 kitchen cabinets, the bathroom, whatever, doing the walls, whatever we need to do. 1081 01:06:02,152 --> 01:06:07,632 But the reason we're here is because, frankly, we just— without the insurance 1082 01:06:07,632 --> 01:06:08,059 frankly, we just— without the insurance money, 1083 01:06:08,059 --> 01:06:09,909 we were dead in the water. 1084 01:06:09,909 --> 01:06:15,033 There was— trust me, we'd like nothing more than to be back in our home. 1085 01:06:15,033 --> 01:06:15,436 Sure. 1086 01:06:15,436 --> 01:06:17,187 But there was nothing we could do. 1087 01:06:17,187 --> 01:06:20,793 I mean, What I don't want to say disposable income, because as working 1088 01:06:20,793 --> 01:06:21,102 disposable income, because as working folks, 1089 01:06:21,102 --> 01:06:22,853 we really don't have such a thing. 1090 01:06:22,853 --> 01:06:23,303 Right. 1091 01:06:23,303 --> 01:06:26,554 Luckily, we have a little bit of a cushion. 1092 01:06:26,554 --> 01:06:31,694 Unfortunately, for the better part of it, so since December of 2024, 1093 01:06:31,694 --> 01:06:37,213 that's been going to pay for rent at an apartment and for 2 storage units 1094 01:06:37,213 --> 01:06:39,481 because we had a lot of stuff. 1095 01:06:39,481 --> 01:06:39,723 Right. 1096 01:06:39,723 --> 01:06:41,661 So we've got almost, you know, 1097 01:06:41,661 --> 01:06:45,601 a little over $3,000 a month going out that we never used to. 1098 01:06:46,013 --> 01:06:46,110 Right. 1099 01:06:46,110 --> 01:06:48,747 And that didn't leave any money to get anything done at the House. 1100 01:06:48,747 --> 01:06:51,628 Okay. So I certainly understand. I appreciate it. 1101 01:06:51,628 --> 01:06:56,038 Sounds like you're working towards progress here. I have a couple questions 1102 01:06:56,038 --> 01:06:56,508 progress here. I have a couple questions for you. 1103 01:06:56,508 --> 01:06:58,566 So this is a second hearing, right? 1104 01:06:58,566 --> 01:07:02,682 We had the— we had the initial hearing about these violations already. 1105 01:07:02,682 --> 01:07:07,092 Were you here at that hearing or was a representative here at that hearing? 1106 01:07:07,092 --> 01:07:07,821 Yes, sir, I was. 1107 01:07:07,821 --> 01:07:12,120 Okay. Thank you. Are you disputing that any of these— 1108 01:07:12,120 --> 01:07:15,283 that these items are Actual violations. 1109 01:07:15,283 --> 01:07:17,131 Oh no, we're absolutely in violation. 1110 01:07:17,131 --> 01:07:19,777 All we're— okay, all we're trying to say is it's not, 1111 01:07:19,777 --> 01:07:21,325 it's not due to lack of effort. 1112 01:07:21,325 --> 01:07:25,220 It's not— we appreciate you snubbing our nose at the board or the city or code 1113 01:07:25,220 --> 01:07:28,516 enforcement or anybody else. We were literally without that money. 1114 01:07:28,516 --> 01:07:30,314 Of course we were dead in the water. 1115 01:07:30,394 --> 01:07:30,539 Yep. 1116 01:07:30,940 --> 01:07:35,461 And it's— and like I said, we've had it a little, well, almost 6 weeks, 7 weeks, 1117 01:07:35,461 --> 01:07:38,287 and we've already got started and things going on. 1118 01:07:38,287 --> 01:07:39,742 Okay, and we appreciate that. 1119 01:07:39,742 --> 01:07:43,004 Um, I guess the last question I have really is just for the city. 1120 01:07:43,004 --> 01:07:46,717 That is an interesting point that he brings up about the same case number. 1121 01:07:46,717 --> 01:07:50,581 I don't know that I've heard that before. I mean, does that have any bearing? 1122 01:07:50,581 --> 01:07:53,916 No, I just did an amended notice of violation. That's all I did. 1123 01:07:53,916 --> 01:07:57,147 Officer McMillan opened up the case initially, as he spoke of, 1124 01:07:57,147 --> 01:07:58,449 and cited specific stuff. 1125 01:07:58,449 --> 01:08:02,566 So I did an amended notice of violation when I took over the case after Officer 1126 01:08:02,566 --> 01:08:06,005 McMillan had left the city. So it doesn't really have any bearing. 1127 01:08:06,005 --> 01:08:09,600 The case number just stayed associated with The same exact situation, 1128 01:08:09,600 --> 01:08:12,414 which had to do with the hurricane damage and repairs. 1129 01:08:12,414 --> 01:08:16,232 Now, with that amended violation, my follow-up question, I guess, is, does it— 1130 01:08:16,232 --> 01:08:19,609 do those amended violations come with their own new set of timelines? 1131 01:08:19,609 --> 01:08:19,769 Yes. 1132 01:08:19,769 --> 01:08:22,435 Okay. So it wasn't like he was expected to have them done? 1133 01:08:22,435 --> 01:08:23,335 No, definitely not. 1134 01:08:23,335 --> 01:08:23,592 Okay. 1135 01:08:23,752 --> 01:08:25,230 Thank you for— I was just curious on that. 1136 01:08:25,230 --> 01:08:29,269 Yeah, I guess my only— if I may, my only question on that is, um, 1137 01:08:29,269 --> 01:08:34,179 somewhere down the road, if we come back to ask for a reduction, and I realize, 1138 01:08:34,179 --> 01:08:39,088 you know, I Is that going to count as— are these new violations going to cause— 1139 01:08:39,088 --> 01:08:41,885 going to count as a second set of violations? 1140 01:08:41,885 --> 01:08:43,122 Repeats? Yeah. 1141 01:08:43,122 --> 01:08:44,406 Good question. 1142 01:08:44,406 --> 01:08:46,703 No, no, it's all associated same case. 1143 01:08:46,703 --> 01:08:50,920 Gave you a deadline and a projected fine amount 1144 01:08:50,920 --> 01:08:54,958 per day after that deadline, which was today. 1145 01:08:55,151 --> 01:08:55,328 Yeah. 1146 01:08:55,569 --> 01:08:59,118 So that amount will rack up until you come back to request it. 1147 01:08:59,118 --> 01:08:59,600 Right, right. 1148 01:08:59,729 --> 01:09:01,953 Yeah, you have a good question, and no, 1149 01:09:01,953 --> 01:09:06,174 it will not be Counted as a repeat violation because of the first, I would 1150 01:09:06,174 --> 01:09:06,402 violation because of the first, I would say, 1151 01:09:06,402 --> 01:09:10,223 incomplete set, I guess, of violations. So, uh, very fair question. 1152 01:09:10,223 --> 01:09:13,766 And, and thank you, Code Board. And you said it perfectly, um, Mr. Strong. 1153 01:09:13,766 --> 01:09:16,973 Um, that first notice, all those violations on there, they were not 1154 01:09:16,973 --> 01:09:17,548 violations on there, they were not adjudicated, 1155 01:09:17,548 --> 01:09:20,133 so they have nothing to do with what we're here today. 1156 01:09:20,133 --> 01:09:22,144 So those won't get in the way of anything. 1157 01:09:22,368 --> 01:09:22,593 Excellent. 1158 01:09:22,753 --> 01:09:25,280 Um, and as, uh, Ms. Carrera had talked about earlier, 1159 01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:28,762 I don't know if you got a chance to hear, Um, for the lien reduction, um, 1160 01:09:28,762 --> 01:09:31,861 the goal is compliance, right? We're not trying to harm you guys. 1161 01:09:31,861 --> 01:09:33,531 We know this was a tough situation. 1162 01:09:33,531 --> 01:09:37,298 Yeah, but this is just the due diligence the city has to do to cover ourselves. 1163 01:09:37,298 --> 01:09:41,018 Um, so again, we have a lien reduction request process that we can go through, 1164 01:09:41,018 --> 01:09:44,165 which it sounds like you're really going here, which is fantastic. 1165 01:09:44,165 --> 01:09:46,788 Always start with the roof. That's always a good start. 1166 01:09:46,788 --> 01:09:50,746 Um, so I appreciate that, and I appreciate your update and everything, and honesty. 1167 01:09:50,746 --> 01:09:51,509 I appreciate it. 1168 01:09:51,509 --> 01:09:54,599 Didn't make a lot of sense to start repairs inside when there's water coming 1169 01:09:54,599 --> 01:09:54,884 repairs inside when there's water coming in from 1170 01:09:54,884 --> 01:09:55,209 the top. 1171 01:09:55,209 --> 01:09:55,629 Yeah, exactly. 1172 01:09:56,192 --> 01:09:58,147 And if I could add one more thing, I know we've been going long. 1173 01:09:58,147 --> 01:09:58,259 Sure. 1174 01:09:58,259 --> 01:10:01,130 I just want to add, we did have a Scrivener's error. 1175 01:10:01,130 --> 01:10:05,161 I just want to make this part of the record for the affidavit of posting. 1176 01:10:05,161 --> 01:10:07,370 I had to write in the City Hall address. 1177 01:10:07,370 --> 01:10:11,511 It was posted at this address, and in the notice I just put West Bay Drive. 1178 01:10:11,511 --> 01:10:16,094 Don't ask me why, but I had to write it in because these were older forms before we 1179 01:10:16,094 --> 01:10:20,014 got the new forms with the address already automatically in the notice. 1180 01:10:20,014 --> 01:10:23,714 So it's just a Scrivener's error. I just wanted to let it be known. 1181 01:10:23,714 --> 01:10:25,370 that it is 440 West Bay Drive. 1182 01:10:25,540 --> 01:10:27,020 Okay. Okay. 1183 01:10:27,020 --> 01:10:28,300 Where the notice was posted. 1184 01:10:28,300 --> 01:10:29,100 Where the notice was posted. 1185 01:10:29,100 --> 01:10:30,000 Where it was posted, yes. 1186 01:10:30,000 --> 01:10:31,324 Okay, perfect. Thank you very much. 1187 01:10:31,324 --> 01:10:33,971 Okay, if there's nothing else from the city, anything in closing, sir? 1188 01:10:33,971 --> 01:10:35,370 I think we have a good understanding. 1189 01:10:35,370 --> 01:10:38,815 No, I mean, you know, um, like I said, uh, once the AC's working, 1190 01:10:38,815 --> 01:10:41,147 I can get in there and start doing my thing, 1191 01:10:41,147 --> 01:10:45,439 because I'll be doing pretty much all that myself until we get to the point where 1192 01:10:45,439 --> 01:10:48,460 it's stuff I don't know how to do, like kitchen cabinets. 1193 01:10:48,816 --> 01:10:48,928 Sure. 1194 01:10:48,928 --> 01:10:52,672 And obviously any plumbing or electrical or whatever. 1195 01:10:52,672 --> 01:10:58,181 Um, but it is, and I realize, you know, it's going to be a dollar amount every 1196 01:10:58,181 --> 01:10:58,464 it's going to be a dollar amount every day, 1197 01:10:58,464 --> 01:11:00,441 but right, it is what it is. 1198 01:11:00,441 --> 01:11:05,739 But, you know, so it's probably going to be, I mean, I really have no idea. 1199 01:11:05,739 --> 01:11:07,999 Yeah, I wouldn't hope more than— 1200 01:11:07,999 --> 01:11:09,093 I wouldn't expect you to guess. 1201 01:11:09,093 --> 01:11:10,655 4 or 5 months, you know. 1202 01:11:10,655 --> 01:11:11,154 Okay. 1203 01:11:11,154 --> 01:11:16,266 This is homesteaded, this property? It's still homesteaded? 1204 01:11:16,266 --> 01:11:17,363 I think so. 1205 01:11:17,363 --> 01:11:22,532 It'd be, yeah. Yes, Christie's lived there since 1974. 1206 01:11:22,532 --> 01:11:42,410 Take a quick look. 1207 01:11:47,028 --> 01:11:47,157 Yes. 1208 01:11:47,157 --> 01:11:47,464 Yes. 1209 01:11:47,464 --> 01:11:48,482 Okay. 1210 01:11:48,482 --> 01:11:53,848 Okay, very good. I'm gonna close the public portion, and I'm looking for— 1211 01:11:53,848 --> 01:11:55,270 Motion B. 1212 01:11:55,270 --> 01:11:56,284 A motion. 1213 01:11:56,284 --> 01:11:57,522 I believe it's Motion B. 1214 01:11:57,522 --> 01:11:58,085 Yes. 1215 01:11:58,085 --> 01:11:58,969 Yeah. 1216 01:11:58,969 --> 01:12:03,967 All right, I move in case number CER 25-00431, 1217 01:12:03,967 --> 01:12:11,682 For the property located at 3786 Anglers Lane, to find— Largo, Florida, 1218 01:12:11,682 --> 01:12:17,333 excuse me, 33774— to find the respondent, Christy J. 1219 01:12:17,333 --> 01:12:24,613 Pallas, did not correct the violation on or before July 29th, 2026, 1220 01:12:24,613 --> 01:12:29,503 and to accept the affidavit of noncompliance. 1221 01:12:29,503 --> 01:12:30,896 Second. 1222 01:12:31,740 --> 01:12:35,937 Okay, I've got a motion by Miss Smith, a second by Miss Marsh. All in favor say 1223 01:12:35,937 --> 01:12:36,150 second by Miss Marsh. All in favor say aye. 1224 01:12:36,150 --> 01:12:36,827 Aye. 1225 01:12:36,827 --> 01:12:38,594 Any opposed? Okay, motion passes. 1226 01:12:38,594 --> 01:12:42,558 Just do what you've been doing, stay in touch with the city, and then yes, 1227 01:12:42,558 --> 01:12:46,681 definitely get the information about the request for reduction once you're in 1228 01:12:46,681 --> 01:12:50,002 compliance. And we'll see you again in a few months, probably. 1229 01:12:50,002 --> 01:12:50,988 All right, thank you very much. 1230 01:12:50,988 --> 01:12:51,454 Thanks. 1231 01:12:51,454 --> 01:12:51,921 Bye-bye. 1232 01:12:51,921 --> 01:12:52,404 Good luck. 1233 01:12:52,404 --> 01:12:53,079 Have a good day. 1234 01:12:53,079 --> 01:12:53,610 Thank you. 1235 01:12:53,610 --> 01:12:59,376 Item 15 on page Thank you, Ms. 1236 01:12:59,489 --> 01:13:03,435 Smith. Page 7, agenda item number 15. 1237 01:13:03,435 --> 01:13:09,727 That is case number CER-25-01033, 14472 Valentine Holdings, 1238 01:13:09,727 --> 01:13:16,020 LLC, uh, for the property address at 14472 Valentine Drive, 1239 01:13:16,020 --> 01:13:18,259 Largo, Florida 33774. 1240 01:13:18,259 --> 01:13:24,125 Code Officer Rivera, is this another second order here? 1241 01:13:24,125 --> 01:13:24,239 Yes. 1242 01:13:25,027 --> 01:13:25,381 Yes, sir. 1243 01:13:25,381 --> 01:13:26,009 Okay. 1244 01:13:26,009 --> 01:13:30,738 Court Officer Rivera with the city, uh, for the city of Largo. 1245 01:13:30,738 --> 01:13:36,230 Um, as you can see here, there's an affidavit of non-compliance for, uh, 1246 01:13:36,230 --> 01:13:41,341 case number CER 25-01033, uh, was to comply on or before June 29th. 1247 01:13:41,341 --> 01:13:45,460 And this is here, uh, the affidavit of non-compliance. 1248 01:13:45,460 --> 01:13:50,951 As of today, the permit, which is Should be in the issued state for the, 1249 01:13:50,951 --> 01:13:55,528 for the property to come into compliance. It's under review. 1250 01:13:55,961 --> 01:13:56,073 Okay. 1251 01:13:56,266 --> 01:14:02,180 And, uh, says it's due to be reviewed, uh, by city officials, um, by the 3rd. 1252 01:14:02,180 --> 01:14:03,013 Okay. 1253 01:14:03,013 --> 01:14:03,734 August. 1254 01:14:03,734 --> 01:14:05,982 And once it's reviewed and, and issued, 1255 01:14:05,982 --> 01:14:08,863 they would be in compliance at that point in time? 1256 01:14:08,863 --> 01:14:09,664 Oh, that's correct. 1257 01:14:09,664 --> 01:14:12,076 Perfect. Thank you very much. Hello, sir. 1258 01:14:12,076 --> 01:14:16,488 Please state your name, address, and, um, what you would like to say today. 1259 01:14:16,488 --> 01:14:20,017 Larry Plumstead, 13004 93rd Avenue, Seminole, Florida 33436. 1260 01:14:21,760 --> 01:14:22,310 776. 1261 01:14:22,310 --> 01:14:24,930 And in short, I think Mr. Rivera pretty much covered it. 1262 01:14:24,930 --> 01:14:25,090 Okay. 1263 01:14:25,090 --> 01:14:27,596 And your relationship to the LLC, are you a member of the LLC? 1264 01:14:27,596 --> 01:14:30,303 I'm the contract— I work with the contractor and just trying to get 1265 01:14:30,303 --> 01:14:30,950 contractor and just trying to get everything done. 1266 01:14:30,950 --> 01:14:34,920 So we received authorization for Lawrence Plonstedt. 1267 01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:36,070 I'm sorry? 1268 01:14:36,070 --> 01:14:37,070 Mr. Plonstedt? 1269 01:14:37,070 --> 01:14:37,570 Yeah. 1270 01:14:37,570 --> 01:14:39,690 Okay. Yeah, we have an authorization for him. 1271 01:14:39,690 --> 01:14:43,265 Okay. Yeah. So you said that Mr. Rivera pretty much covered it. 1272 01:14:43,265 --> 01:14:46,045 You're working towards it very close to becoming— 1273 01:14:46,045 --> 01:14:50,755 I was just getting the The engineers and architect to deal with such a small little 1274 01:14:50,755 --> 01:14:53,536 project, getting them to just sign off and do it, 1275 01:14:53,536 --> 01:14:56,600 and that's why it's delayed a little bit longer. Okay. 1276 01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:58,756 Anything else you'd like to add today? 1277 01:14:58,756 --> 01:14:58,966 No, sir. 1278 01:14:58,966 --> 01:15:06,138 Okay, perfect. I'm going to close the public portion, 1279 01:15:06,138 --> 01:15:10,468 and I am looking for a motion B. 1280 01:15:10,468 --> 01:15:17,234 I move in case number CER 25-0103 For the property 1281 01:15:17,234 --> 01:15:21,699 located at 14472 Valentine Drive, 1282 01:15:21,699 --> 01:15:28,871 to find the respondent Valentine Holdings LLC did not 1283 01:15:28,871 --> 01:15:35,096 correct the violations on or before June 29th, 1284 01:15:35,096 --> 01:15:40,644 and to find the respondent To accept the— 1285 01:15:40,644 --> 01:15:47,019 Oh, and to accept the affidavit of noncompliance. 1286 01:15:47,019 --> 01:15:51,438 Please amend to name the respondent 1287 01:15:51,438 --> 01:15:55,605 as 14472 Valentine Holdings, LLC. 1288 01:15:55,605 --> 01:15:56,217 Okay. 1289 01:15:56,217 --> 01:16:01,900 So amended. Ms. Marsh, you good with that? 1290 01:16:01,900 --> 01:16:02,190 Yes. 1291 01:16:02,190 --> 01:16:05,085 Perfect. Okay. I'm looking for a second. 1292 01:16:05,238 --> 01:16:05,902 I'll second. 1293 01:16:05,902 --> 01:16:11,655 I've got a motion by Ms. Marsh, a second by Ms. Smith. All in favor say aye. 1294 01:16:11,655 --> 01:16:12,303 Aye. 1295 01:16:12,303 --> 01:16:15,990 Any opposed? Okay, the motion passes. Same, same type of thing, right? 1296 01:16:15,990 --> 01:16:18,992 Like, keep working towards it and then discuss about, um, 1297 01:16:18,992 --> 01:16:23,152 request for reduction if that's something that would be beneficial to you guys. 1298 01:16:23,152 --> 01:16:26,365 After it's issued, then we have to come back for a reduction? 1299 01:16:26,365 --> 01:16:27,576 Is that how that works? 1300 01:16:27,576 --> 01:16:29,560 You don't have to, but you have the option. 1301 01:16:29,560 --> 01:16:30,190 Yeah. 1302 01:16:30,319 --> 01:16:30,529 Okay. 1303 01:16:30,948 --> 01:16:33,472 Okay, so because fines are accruing at this point. 1304 01:16:33,942 --> 01:16:36,726 Okay, so as of today or as of the— as of June 30th? 1305 01:16:36,790 --> 01:16:37,859 As of June 30th. 1306 01:16:37,923 --> 01:16:39,469 All right, y'all have a good day. 1307 01:16:39,533 --> 01:16:40,272 Thank you. Thanks, you too. 1308 01:16:40,497 --> 01:16:40,819 Thank you. 1309 01:16:40,819 --> 01:16:45,430 Number 39 on page 13. 1310 01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:49,029 Page 13. Thank you, Miss Smith. Item 39. 1311 01:16:49,029 --> 01:16:50,155 Um, if we may. 1312 01:16:50,525 --> 01:16:50,927 Yes, sir. 1313 01:16:51,571 --> 01:16:54,146 The property owner who is here today, and she did sign in, 1314 01:16:54,146 --> 01:16:56,543 and that's obviously why she's in our queue today, Um, 1315 01:16:56,543 --> 01:17:00,094 she had to do a conference call at 3, so if we could push her closer to the end, 1316 01:17:00,094 --> 01:17:03,335 if hopefully she doesn't take too long, that's completely up to you guys. 1317 01:17:03,335 --> 01:17:05,275 Which item number? 1318 01:17:05,275 --> 01:17:06,975 That's going to be item number— 1319 01:17:06,975 --> 01:17:08,178 33? 1320 01:17:08,178 --> 01:17:09,990 Yeah, I think that's 30. 1321 01:17:09,990 --> 01:17:11,128 Is that a first order? 1322 01:17:11,128 --> 01:17:11,497 Yes. 1323 01:17:11,497 --> 01:17:13,343 Yeah, okay, um, that's fine. 1324 01:17:13,343 --> 01:17:17,366 We'll just skip it for now and put it at the end of our list. 1325 01:17:17,366 --> 01:17:19,579 She's what, item number 33? 1326 01:17:19,579 --> 01:17:25,428 Item number 39. Oh, no, it's the The one that's up right now. Is that correct, sir? 1327 01:17:25,428 --> 01:17:26,105 Yes, 39. 1328 01:17:26,105 --> 01:17:26,557 Pardon me. 1329 01:17:26,557 --> 01:17:27,697 Yeah, we'll hold off on that, 1330 01:17:27,697 --> 01:17:29,977 move that to the end of the list so she can take her call. 1331 01:17:29,977 --> 01:17:31,542 We have 20 minutes until her call. 1332 01:17:31,542 --> 01:17:33,575 Yeah, but it's a first order. There's no way. 1333 01:17:33,575 --> 01:17:35,321 Yeah, okay. All right. 1334 01:17:35,321 --> 01:17:37,294 Yeah, I'm willing to do that. 1335 01:17:37,294 --> 01:17:37,665 All right. 1336 01:17:37,730 --> 01:17:40,462 So we jump to item 12 on page 6. 1337 01:17:40,462 --> 01:17:40,818 Yes. 1338 01:17:40,818 --> 01:17:42,839 Understood. 1339 01:17:44,896 --> 01:17:45,186 Officer Cruz. 1340 01:17:45,186 --> 01:17:47,975 Mr. Cruz, don't let me forget about that. 1341 01:17:47,975 --> 01:17:48,556 Yep. 1342 01:17:48,685 --> 01:17:49,620 Jump backwards on that. 1343 01:17:49,620 --> 01:17:50,055 No problem. 1344 01:17:50,973 --> 01:17:53,328 Thank you. Okay, so yes, as Ms. 1345 01:17:53,328 --> 01:17:57,735 Smith said, we are moving on to agenda item number 12 now. 1346 01:17:57,735 --> 01:18:03,054 That is case number CER-25-01147, Leonida Lacage and Rajamonda Lacage, 1347 01:18:03,054 --> 01:18:07,157 1975 West Bay Drive, number 416, Largo, Florida 33770. 1348 01:18:07,157 --> 01:18:13,083 And I will at this point remind the board and everyone here today These lovely 1349 01:18:13,083 --> 01:18:17,946 people in front of me are clients of mine and neighbors of mine, 1350 01:18:17,946 --> 01:18:22,657 so I will run the basis of the meeting or of this case number, 1351 01:18:22,657 --> 01:18:28,583 but I will recuse myself from voting or participating in the discussion like I 1352 01:18:28,583 --> 01:18:28,887 participating in the discussion like I have 1353 01:18:28,887 --> 01:18:31,927 the other times it's been on the agenda. 1354 01:18:31,927 --> 01:18:35,346 So with that being said, thank you very much. 1355 01:18:35,346 --> 01:18:38,309 I will turn to Chief Code Officer Cruz. 1356 01:18:38,309 --> 01:18:43,576 And Board Chair will be filling out the conflict voting form before the hearing is 1357 01:18:43,576 --> 01:18:43,897 over. 1358 01:18:44,936 --> 01:18:48,923 All right, thank you very much. Uh, Chief Officer Cruz. 1359 01:18:48,923 --> 01:18:53,995 Thank you, Code Board. This is Code Enforcement case number CER-25-01147. 1360 01:18:53,995 --> 01:18:59,068 Um, this is the property address of 1975 West Bay Drive, unit number 416. 1361 01:18:59,068 --> 01:19:02,959 The property was to comply on or before July 29th, 2026. 1362 01:19:02,959 --> 01:19:06,572 If not, there was to be a fine implement— Excuse me, 1363 01:19:06,572 --> 01:19:10,533 implemented for $250 per day to start on July 30th, 2026. 1364 01:19:10,533 --> 01:19:16,022 Unfortunately, as you can see there, that it is an affidavit of non-compliance. 1365 01:19:16,022 --> 01:19:21,372 I tried to push it out as long as I possibly could till about 12 o'clock this 1366 01:19:21,372 --> 01:19:26,305 afternoon. It looks like— well, it is that the permit is almost issued. 1367 01:19:26,305 --> 01:19:31,308 The contractor was reached out to by the city stating that he needed to— 1368 01:19:31,308 --> 01:19:35,964 he or she needed to add on to the permit a plumber and electrician, 1369 01:19:35,964 --> 01:19:39,299 if I remember correctly, off the top of my head. 1370 01:19:39,299 --> 01:19:42,565 Um, and that was a month ago, and they did not— 1371 01:19:42,565 --> 01:19:45,136 they unfortunately did not add those. 1372 01:19:45,136 --> 01:19:49,305 And that's really all that's needed to now issue the permit, 1373 01:19:49,305 --> 01:19:51,250 and they would be compliant. 1374 01:19:51,250 --> 01:19:54,238 So that's kind of where we stand right now, 1375 01:19:54,238 --> 01:19:58,268 and that's why we do have the affidavit of non-compliance. 1376 01:19:58,268 --> 01:20:00,930 Okay, perfect. 1377 01:20:01,156 --> 01:20:01,397 Hello. 1378 01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:01,864 Hi. 1379 01:20:02,138 --> 01:20:02,347 Hi. 1380 01:20:02,621 --> 01:20:04,203 Please state your, uh, 1381 01:20:04,203 --> 01:20:07,510 first and last name and your property address. 1382 01:20:07,510 --> 01:20:11,176 My name is Leonida Likai. We live at 131 Bluffview. 1383 01:20:11,176 --> 01:20:12,179 No, the address. 1384 01:20:12,179 --> 01:20:15,474 Oh, the address of the property? 1385 01:20:15,474 --> 01:20:17,946 Your home address. Yeah, 1386 01:20:17,946 --> 01:20:21,035 131 Bluffview Drive, unit 401. 1387 01:20:21,035 --> 01:20:23,634 And ma'am, your name? 1388 01:20:23,634 --> 01:20:25,204 My name is Arimunda Likai. 1389 01:20:25,562 --> 01:20:30,711 I'm Leo's wife. I live same address, 131 Bluffview Drive, unit 401. 1390 01:20:30,711 --> 01:20:33,093 And I'm sorry for our language. 1391 01:20:33,141 --> 01:20:36,762 We speak Albanian, and we try our best to 1392 01:20:36,762 --> 01:20:38,528 explain our problem. 1393 01:20:38,528 --> 01:20:41,442 What would you like to say today? 1394 01:20:41,442 --> 01:20:47,335 The contractor, the one we hire, we trusted him, and we thought he did all the 1395 01:20:47,335 --> 01:20:47,713 trusted him, and we thought he did all the work. 1396 01:20:47,713 --> 01:20:50,811 And we— Leo and I, we're trying the best. 1397 01:20:50,811 --> 01:20:55,042 We just want that property to be done as soon as we can. 1398 01:20:56,021 --> 01:21:00,067 And Leo signed affidavit on May 28th. 1399 01:21:00,359 --> 01:21:05,755 And our contractor, he was here on the board and he represented us. 1400 01:21:05,755 --> 01:21:11,392 And he didn't contact us to say what was the date or what needed to be 1401 01:21:11,392 --> 01:21:11,795 done. 1402 01:21:14,000 --> 01:21:19,367 So our request right now is please, can you give him more time to find— 1403 01:21:19,367 --> 01:21:24,733 because I'm not sure. The contractor said he pulled the permit already. 1404 01:21:24,733 --> 01:21:24,915 Okay. 1405 01:21:26,048 --> 01:21:30,026 But now you need like to get the license for the plumbing. 1406 01:21:30,026 --> 01:21:35,650 Yeah, we already have, you know, 2 people, plumbing and electrician guy, you know, 1407 01:21:35,650 --> 01:21:40,932 we're gonna give already estimate to us, you know, and gonna start next week, 1408 01:21:40,932 --> 01:21:42,578 you know, to sign other. 1409 01:21:42,578 --> 01:21:47,461 So does our vice chair would like to make comments or— 1410 01:21:47,461 --> 01:21:51,944 Well, um, to explain the process that this is a second hearing. 1411 01:21:51,944 --> 01:21:57,280 This is a second hearing, and when When he came, or whoever came before us, 1412 01:21:57,280 --> 01:22:02,404 you know, we discussed the proposed timeline and would that be adequate. 1413 01:22:02,404 --> 01:22:06,815 And we, you know, in agreement, we made our decision that day. 1414 01:22:06,815 --> 01:22:11,512 And your compliance was due yesterday. So today a fine will start. 1415 01:22:11,512 --> 01:22:16,919 And, you know, you can perhaps take that up with your contractor if need be. 1416 01:22:16,919 --> 01:22:18,769 But it's out of our hands. 1417 01:22:18,769 --> 01:22:23,679 And You know, we have to adjudicate, you know, on behalf of the city. 1418 01:22:23,679 --> 01:22:28,874 And therefore, you know, again, like we've expressed to other homeowners, 1419 01:22:28,874 --> 01:22:34,708 if you need to come back or would like to come back to request a reduction for the 1420 01:22:34,708 --> 01:22:37,768 fine that you have accrued, then, you know, 1421 01:22:37,768 --> 01:22:42,109 you can follow that process and we'll review it at that time. 1422 01:22:42,109 --> 01:22:45,524 But today there's nothing else we can do except— 1423 01:22:45,524 --> 01:22:49,790 Fine. 1424 01:22:52,790 --> 01:22:57,300 Mr. Cruz, could you pull the permit, the permit application status? 1425 01:22:57,300 --> 01:23:00,187 On the permit application, 1426 01:23:00,187 --> 01:23:05,629 do the subs also have to have a license and logo? 1427 01:23:05,629 --> 01:23:07,850 Is that the problem? 1428 01:23:07,850 --> 01:23:09,540 Possibly. 1429 01:23:09,540 --> 01:23:09,940 I don't know. 1430 01:23:09,940 --> 01:23:11,100 Again, I mean, if the— 1431 01:23:11,100 --> 01:23:12,840 I don't know if that's what the problem is. 1432 01:23:12,840 --> 01:23:17,894 So in other words, that the electrician that this The plumber that this contractor 1433 01:23:17,894 --> 01:23:21,653 is using, or the plumber, might not have a license for Largo. 1434 01:23:21,653 --> 01:23:24,920 Sometimes they don't want to spend those extra bucks. 1435 01:23:24,920 --> 01:23:28,109 We offered them— 1436 01:23:28,643 --> 01:23:32,007 the contractor, we told them, just find somebody and we pay them. 1437 01:23:32,007 --> 01:23:36,386 I know, but who he's found that he works with probably doesn't have a license in 1438 01:23:36,386 --> 01:23:38,209 Largo. 1439 01:23:41,209 --> 01:23:42,685 Hire already have license. 1440 01:23:42,685 --> 01:23:48,396 He found himself now plumber and electrician, he said, not the contractor. 1441 01:23:48,396 --> 01:23:53,312 Oh, who pulled the license? The contractor? 1442 01:23:53,312 --> 01:23:55,567 Uh, they didn't pull the license yet. 1443 01:23:55,615 --> 01:23:56,646 Did they pull the— 1444 01:23:56,646 --> 01:23:57,661 You mean the permit? 1445 01:23:57,661 --> 01:24:02,018 No, I'm not 100% sure. I'm sorry, I can't see that on my end here. 1446 01:24:02,018 --> 01:24:07,100 It says, uh, active electrical and plumbing subcontractors are required prior 1447 01:24:07,100 --> 01:24:07,232 plumbing subcontractors are required prior to 1448 01:24:07,232 --> 01:24:09,741 issuing Please add the subcontractors, 1449 01:24:09,741 --> 01:24:13,767 and then by going to our software that we use for permitting. 1450 01:24:13,767 --> 01:24:17,452 So right now the permit has not been issued. 1451 01:24:17,452 --> 01:24:23,733 It is outstanding, and there is a review requirement on your end that needs 1452 01:24:23,733 --> 01:24:30,098 to be submitted over to permitting in order to finalize the steps for before 1453 01:24:30,098 --> 01:24:34,955 issuance. So for compliance, a permit needed to be issued. 1454 01:24:34,955 --> 01:24:38,640 As of July 29th, and it has not been issued. 1455 01:24:38,670 --> 01:24:43,689 Ajos problemi, że duje ta zwiwi, että dier na juli, tato nie jest na nanduje, 1456 01:24:43,689 --> 01:24:48,643 że kiedyś maaryszu, że para, że kiedyś nie zielata mię licenc per plamienie, 1457 01:24:48,643 --> 01:24:52,032 da prata, da nuke kan buś, duje ta bani naplajna CD, 1458 01:24:52,032 --> 01:24:56,660 a ta skampera plajta per plamienie, per elektryczny. Kys problemi tani? 1459 01:24:57,910 --> 01:25:02,730 So, do you have anything to add? Any closing statements? That was like. 1460 01:25:03,307 --> 01:25:04,944 I'm not sure because we're not from here. 1461 01:25:04,993 --> 01:25:08,814 We're from Pennsylvania and we don't know all the rules and the regulation here. 1462 01:25:09,007 --> 01:25:11,006 And we hire somebody to help us with this, 1463 01:25:11,006 --> 01:25:13,005 but he didn't give it the right direction. 1464 01:25:13,053 --> 01:25:16,088 He didn't give it the right— like, it was misunderstanding between me and him. 1465 01:25:16,088 --> 01:25:20,826 Okay, probably it's misunderstanding because, you know, the barrier of 1466 01:25:20,826 --> 01:25:21,435 because, you know, the barrier of language. 1467 01:25:21,435 --> 01:25:24,325 We hear you, but unfortunately— 1468 01:25:24,325 --> 01:25:28,339 Something like, probably like, extend it more time, please. 1469 01:25:29,437 --> 01:25:32,202 Because you can't now. 1470 01:25:32,202 --> 01:25:32,784 We can't. 1471 01:25:32,784 --> 01:25:35,413 You can't do that. It's already been effective. 1472 01:25:35,413 --> 01:25:38,210 As far as assistance, you need to keep in contact. 1473 01:25:38,210 --> 01:25:40,672 The staff will help you as much as they can. 1474 01:25:40,672 --> 01:25:43,424 We've been in contact with Luis all the time, and Ardor, 1475 01:25:43,424 --> 01:25:47,109 she's trying to help us with them, with the emails and everything, because— 1476 01:25:47,109 --> 01:25:51,795 And do you understand that the contractors that you hire need to be licensed to 1477 01:25:51,795 --> 01:25:53,515 operate in the City of Largo? 1478 01:25:53,515 --> 01:25:55,279 I think he is. 1479 01:25:55,476 --> 01:25:58,797 Yeah, yeah, he might. 1480 01:25:58,797 --> 01:26:00,979 Yes, right. 1481 01:26:01,187 --> 01:26:04,027 They have indicated that they've hired their own independent. 1482 01:26:04,027 --> 01:26:04,412 One more. 1483 01:26:04,412 --> 01:26:05,968 He'll find somebody else. 1484 01:26:05,968 --> 01:26:07,399 He'll find somebody. 1485 01:26:07,399 --> 01:26:11,550 Then, then when it's all done and you see where you stand, 1486 01:26:11,550 --> 01:26:14,055 then come before us when it's done. 1487 01:26:14,055 --> 01:26:17,844 You, you have the option of requesting a reduction, uh, 1488 01:26:17,844 --> 01:26:20,531 once you've fully come into compliance. 1489 01:26:20,531 --> 01:26:25,215 But you do have to exercise that option by communicating with staff, 1490 01:26:25,215 --> 01:26:29,762 filling out an application, and following the reduction procedure. 1491 01:26:29,762 --> 01:26:34,240 So that's a separate process, and it is up to the property owner. 1492 01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:38,332 Thank you. So that started from today. Is— how much is the fine a day? 1493 01:26:38,332 --> 01:26:40,194 $250 a day. 1494 01:26:40,194 --> 01:26:45,163 $250 a day. Yes, that fine was determined at the first hearing, right, 1495 01:26:45,163 --> 01:26:50,062 where allegedly your contractor was With the contractor who was here. 1496 01:26:50,062 --> 01:26:54,425 And where we discussed the time he would need and he agreed to it. 1497 01:26:54,425 --> 01:26:58,391 That's why we encourage property owners to come even when they're sending their own 1498 01:26:58,391 --> 01:26:58,964 contractors. 1499 01:26:58,964 --> 01:26:59,782 He was in the hospital. 1500 01:26:59,895 --> 01:27:02,638 That's why we just signed the affidavit for Mr. 1501 01:27:02,798 --> 01:27:03,616 Sean to come here. 1502 01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:04,980 He was in the hospital. 1503 01:27:04,980 --> 01:27:06,396 Yeah, yeah, we hear you. 1504 01:27:06,396 --> 01:27:07,752 But there is, you know, 1505 01:27:07,752 --> 01:27:12,412 you have reduction available potentially in the future if that's something that 1506 01:27:12,412 --> 01:27:16,423 you're interested in. Department— the permitting department is here. 1507 01:27:16,423 --> 01:27:20,670 They can go and you can go and talk to permitting right now if you wish. 1508 01:27:20,670 --> 01:27:24,091 So if you have further questions in regard to your permit, 1509 01:27:24,091 --> 01:27:27,099 you can do that today if you would like to do that. 1510 01:27:27,099 --> 01:27:29,694 But yeah, for purposes of this hearing, yes. 1511 01:27:29,694 --> 01:27:34,210 And sometimes, frankly, when language is a barrier, face-to-face helps. 1512 01:27:34,210 --> 01:27:36,627 So if you go see them today in person, 1513 01:27:36,627 --> 01:27:39,680 it might be better than trying to call or email. 1514 01:27:39,680 --> 01:27:42,987 So we just want to do everything we can to help you. 1515 01:27:43,452 --> 01:27:43,612 Yeah. 1516 01:27:43,853 --> 01:27:44,415 Oh, I see her. 1517 01:27:44,559 --> 01:27:44,768 Okay. 1518 01:27:45,201 --> 01:27:50,255 As we reiterate in every case, our goal is for you to come into compliance. 1519 01:27:50,255 --> 01:27:55,647 So, you know, everything we can try to recommend or suggest to you to help is in 1520 01:27:55,647 --> 01:28:00,701 good faith. All right. Thank you. All right. Um, if I'm speaking on behalf— 1521 01:28:00,701 --> 01:28:03,926 Anything else you guys wanted to add or the city wanted to add? 1522 01:28:03,926 --> 01:28:06,471 I just wanted to say real quick, ask for Hannah MeToo. 1523 01:28:06,471 --> 01:28:10,007 That's who's been dealing with the permit. That's who sent that last email. 1524 01:28:10,007 --> 01:28:13,495 So ask for her and she'll help you understand exactly what you need to get 1525 01:28:13,495 --> 01:28:13,684 understand exactly what you need to get this 1526 01:28:13,684 --> 01:28:16,889 issued. Once it's issued, reach out and we'll get you taken care of. 1527 01:28:16,889 --> 01:28:19,562 You're getting ready to write that down on a card for them? 1528 01:28:19,562 --> 01:28:22,597 Is that what— yep, perfect. I thought that's what I saw. Beautiful. 1529 01:28:22,597 --> 01:28:25,043 Okay, I'm gonna close the public portion at this time. 1530 01:28:25,043 --> 01:28:29,816 Okay, you jumping on it, Roxy, or shall I? 1531 01:28:29,816 --> 01:28:35,590 I move in case number CER 25-01147 for the 1532 01:28:35,590 --> 01:28:41,090 property located at 1975 West Bay Drive, 1533 01:28:41,090 --> 01:28:42,602 number 416. 1534 01:28:43,538 --> 01:28:48,115 To find the respondents, 1535 01:28:48,115 --> 01:28:52,120 Leonida and Rajamada— 1536 01:28:52,120 --> 01:28:54,027 It's fine. 1537 01:28:54,027 --> 01:28:57,531 Okay. Did not correct the 1538 01:28:57,531 --> 01:29:01,455 violations on or before July 1539 01:29:01,455 --> 01:29:02,156 29th. 1540 01:29:02,670 --> 01:29:09,159 And to find the respondents, Leonida Lacage and Okay, I already said that. 1541 01:29:09,304 --> 01:29:11,813 And to accept the affidavit of noncompliance. 1542 01:29:11,813 --> 01:29:12,988 I'll second. 1543 01:29:12,988 --> 01:29:16,953 Okay, I've got a motion by Ms. Marsh and a second by Ms. Smith. 1544 01:29:16,953 --> 01:29:20,541 I'm not going to be voting on this. All in favor say aye. 1545 01:29:20,541 --> 01:29:20,944 Aye. 1546 01:29:20,944 --> 01:29:28,757 Any opposed? No opposed, 1 recused. Okay, motion passes. 1547 01:29:28,757 --> 01:29:29,287 Okay. 1548 01:29:29,287 --> 01:29:32,774 He's got a name. Oh, good. Okay. And they're right here upstairs. Thank you, 1549 01:29:32,774 --> 01:29:33,004 they're right here upstairs. Thank you, guys. 1550 01:29:33,004 --> 01:29:34,360 Good to see you. 1551 01:29:37,360 --> 01:29:38,456 41, page 8. 1552 01:29:38,456 --> 01:29:39,053 Thank you. 1553 01:29:39,053 --> 01:29:42,409 This is reduction. 1554 01:29:42,409 --> 01:29:46,361 Item 41 on page 8 is next. Mr. Chairman? 1555 01:29:46,361 --> 01:29:47,475 Thank you very much. 1556 01:29:47,475 --> 01:29:49,672 You didn't agree when page was 8. 1557 01:29:49,672 --> 01:29:50,189 I'm sorry? 1558 01:29:50,480 --> 01:29:50,836 I did. 1559 01:29:50,836 --> 01:29:51,660 Oh, no. 1560 01:29:51,660 --> 01:29:59,102 Yeah, as Ms. Smith pointed out, we are on page 8. Page 8, agenda item number 41. 1561 01:29:59,102 --> 01:30:01,893 It is a request for reduction. 1562 01:30:01,893 --> 01:30:07,474 Case number CER-25-00910, Nancy O'Keefe and Timothy O'Keefe, 1563 01:30:07,474 --> 01:30:14,637 1024 San Marco Drive, Largo, Florida 33770. We have Code Officer Semino here. 1564 01:30:14,637 --> 01:30:21,056 Is there gonna be any kind of case review here before we turn to the— 1565 01:30:21,056 --> 01:30:22,726 Yeah, I'll go over the case review. 1566 01:30:22,726 --> 01:30:23,715 Okay, perfect, thank you. 1567 01:30:25,680 --> 01:30:25,971 All right. 1568 01:30:26,117 --> 01:30:27,465 Thank you, Code Board. 1569 01:30:27,465 --> 01:30:31,326 Louis Cruz, Chief Code Officer, representing the City of Largo. 1570 01:30:31,326 --> 01:30:35,737 This is Code Enforcement Case Number CER-25-00910, 1024 San Marco Drive. 1571 01:30:35,737 --> 01:30:38,189 The case was opened September 3rd, 2025. 1572 01:30:38,189 --> 01:30:42,662 Code officers responded to a complaint concerning overgrowth and property 1573 01:30:42,662 --> 01:30:44,684 maintenance issues. Upon arrival, 1574 01:30:44,684 --> 01:30:48,667 they observed the violation and a notice of violation was issued. 1575 01:30:48,667 --> 01:30:53,569 Upon re-inspection, the code officer found that the violation was not corrected. 1576 01:30:53,569 --> 01:30:53,715 Okay. 1577 01:30:54,319 --> 01:30:56,494 Due to the continuing violations, 1578 01:30:56,494 --> 01:31:01,041 the case was set for the October 2025 Code Enforcement Board hearing. 1579 01:31:01,041 --> 01:31:04,271 First hearing date was set on October 30th, 2025. 1580 01:31:04,271 --> 01:31:07,368 The respondent was not present at this hearing. 1581 01:31:07,368 --> 01:31:12,377 The code— the code board found the respondent in violation of the cited city 1582 01:31:12,377 --> 01:31:12,707 respondent in violation of the cited city codes 1583 01:31:12,707 --> 01:31:16,595 with fines starting on December 2nd, 2025, if the property, 1584 01:31:16,595 --> 01:31:19,297 property was not brought into compliance. 1585 01:31:19,297 --> 01:31:22,461 second hearing that was held December 4th, 2025. 1586 01:31:22,461 --> 01:31:25,229 The respondent was present at the hearing. 1587 01:31:25,229 --> 01:31:30,435 Records show that the second hearing notice was legally posted on the property. 1588 01:31:30,435 --> 01:31:35,774 Records also reveal that a copy of the first Code Enforcement Board order and the 1589 01:31:35,774 --> 01:31:39,860 second hearing notice were mailed certified to the respondent. 1590 01:31:39,860 --> 01:31:44,276 The Code Enforcement Board, after reviewing the evidence presented— 1591 01:31:44,276 --> 01:31:46,846 after reviewing the evidence presented, 1592 01:31:46,846 --> 01:31:51,855 found that the property was not in compliance and ordered a fine of $100 per 1593 01:31:51,855 --> 01:31:52,250 compliance and ordered a fine of $100 per day to 1594 01:31:52,250 --> 01:31:54,557 start effective December 2nd, 2025. 1595 01:31:54,557 --> 01:31:57,852 The case was then resolved on February 10th, 2026. 1596 01:31:57,852 --> 01:32:02,334 A re-inspection revealed that the property had come into compliance. 1597 01:32:02,334 --> 01:32:07,738 This property remained in violation of the code board order for a total of 70 days 1598 01:32:07,738 --> 01:32:10,967 at $100 per day, for a total fine due of $70,000. 1599 01:32:10,967 --> 01:32:14,131 From September 3rd, 2025 to February 10th, 2026, 1600 01:32:14,131 --> 01:32:19,008 Officers conducted 6 reinspections in an effort to bring the property into 1601 01:32:19,008 --> 01:32:23,885 compliance. Staff has no objection to a reduction in this case. Thank you. 1602 01:32:23,885 --> 01:32:26,566 All right. 1603 01:32:26,631 --> 01:32:28,563 Thank you very much. Hello there, sir. 1604 01:32:28,563 --> 01:32:30,901 Please state your name, your property address, 1605 01:32:30,901 --> 01:32:33,646 and then we'd like to hear what you have to say today. 1606 01:32:33,646 --> 01:32:36,859 Timothy O'Keefe. My— 1607 01:32:36,957 --> 01:32:39,106 where I live or the property where this is? 1608 01:32:39,806 --> 01:32:41,314 Your current address that you live? 1609 01:32:41,314 --> 01:32:44,089 517 Walkers Ridge Court, Woodstock, Georgia. 1610 01:32:44,089 --> 01:32:49,529 Okay, thanks. Thanks for coming in today. What would you like to say? 1611 01:32:49,529 --> 01:32:55,363 Um, as far as non-compliance, I mean, this, this has been a kind of a long 1612 01:32:55,363 --> 01:32:55,993 this, this has been a kind of a long process. 1613 01:32:55,993 --> 01:33:01,118 I realize, um, you know, I've got, I've got some bad information, 1614 01:33:01,118 --> 01:33:07,582 like these last folks from my contractor that permits were not required for what I 1615 01:33:07,582 --> 01:33:13,495 had done was interior updates. There really were no electrical or plumbing. 1616 01:33:13,495 --> 01:33:19,329 It was flooring, some tile work, some fixtures, and it did put in some new 1617 01:33:19,329 --> 01:33:19,960 fixtures, and it did put in some new windows. 1618 01:33:19,960 --> 01:33:25,952 So they told me that they really didn't need permits outside of the windows, 1619 01:33:25,952 --> 01:33:28,238 which I, I'm not sure when I— 1620 01:33:28,238 --> 01:33:33,047 That's permit for the windows was submitted Sometime back in— 1621 01:33:33,047 --> 01:33:38,802 I don't have it very well documented, but it was back in 2025, late 2025. 1622 01:33:38,802 --> 01:33:42,980 But anyways, I kept trying to contact the contractor. 1623 01:33:42,980 --> 01:33:47,947 Once they were paid, good luck in trying to get a hold of them. 1624 01:33:47,947 --> 01:33:54,018 So I'm not disagreeing. It's been dragging on. I tried to work in good faith. 1625 01:33:54,018 --> 01:33:57,723 It's, you know, I'm not trying to make excuses. 1626 01:33:57,723 --> 01:34:00,798 It's not easy when you're not local to, 1627 01:34:00,798 --> 01:34:05,291 to try to find other people that can do the work for you. 1628 01:34:05,291 --> 01:34:11,204 So, so yeah, I'm respectfully asking for some consideration of a reduction. 1629 01:34:11,429 --> 01:34:11,573 That's— 1630 01:34:12,248 --> 01:34:17,114 it's in compliance now, I understand. So it's, um, all I got to say. Sure. 1631 01:34:17,114 --> 01:34:22,308 Well, I— we appreciate you coming in, and the city's goal is always Compliance, 1632 01:34:22,308 --> 01:34:26,714 right? And we appreciate you bringing the property into compliance. 1633 01:34:26,714 --> 01:34:30,133 And it's not an isolated incident where contractors, 1634 01:34:30,133 --> 01:34:34,078 whether ignorance or just because it complicates their life, 1635 01:34:34,078 --> 01:34:39,010 they say permits aren't needed, and they really are. So we appreciate that. 1636 01:34:39,010 --> 01:34:44,204 If there's nothing else you'd like to add, anything the city would like to add— 1637 01:34:44,204 --> 01:34:48,544 did you mention at the end your— the city's position on reduction? 1638 01:34:48,544 --> 01:34:49,825 Yeah, we have no objection. 1639 01:34:49,825 --> 01:34:51,865 They've only had one code enforcement case, 1640 01:34:51,865 --> 01:34:55,613 and this was that one that we're hearing today, so we have no objection at all. 1641 01:34:55,613 --> 01:34:57,404 Okay. I mean, if you don't mind, 1642 01:34:57,404 --> 01:35:01,657 we've owned the house for over 60 years between my wife and her mother, and, 1643 01:35:01,657 --> 01:35:05,630 you know, so we've tried to maintain it properly, you know. I think so. 1644 01:35:05,630 --> 01:35:09,826 Okay, and we will take that into consideration as well. We appreciate that. 1645 01:35:09,826 --> 01:35:13,072 I'm going to close the public portion. And yeah, go ahead. 1646 01:35:13,072 --> 01:35:14,614 Is the property occupied? 1647 01:35:14,614 --> 01:35:14,967 No, it is not. 1648 01:35:15,000 --> 01:35:18,947 It is decided on what we may use it as, a winter home. 1649 01:35:18,947 --> 01:35:22,820 We haven't decided, but it's been vacant for a while. 1650 01:35:22,820 --> 01:35:24,110 Okay, that's all I wanted to know. 1651 01:35:24,540 --> 01:35:26,600 70 times 100 is $7,000. 1652 01:35:26,600 --> 01:35:27,660 That's what I thought. 1653 01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:29,560 Yeah, the agenda— 1654 01:35:29,560 --> 01:35:31,030 I was waiting for somebody to catch it. 1655 01:35:31,120 --> 01:35:35,340 The minimum you can even give him is 1656 01:35:35,340 --> 01:35:39,677 $566.18. So you have to go in between 1657 01:35:39,677 --> 01:35:40,380 there. 1658 01:35:40,380 --> 01:35:42,715 I do want to say one last thing if I can. 1659 01:35:42,715 --> 01:35:46,532 I want to thank Mary for giving me some good advice in the process. 1660 01:35:46,532 --> 01:35:50,462 So I just want to say that she's really nice. Mary's great. We agree. 1661 01:35:50,462 --> 01:35:52,570 Paperwork to you and stuff like that. 1662 01:35:52,619 --> 01:35:53,117 So that's all. 1663 01:35:53,117 --> 01:35:56,297 Appreciate you saying that. We, we agree as well. 1664 01:35:56,297 --> 01:35:59,996 Um, any other questions from the board or discussion? No. 1665 01:35:59,996 --> 01:36:01,619 I'll make a motion. Okay. 1666 01:36:01,619 --> 01:36:02,445 Thank you. 1667 01:36:02,737 --> 01:36:09,953 I move in case number CER 25-00910 for the property located at 1024 San 1668 01:36:09,953 --> 01:36:17,677 Marco Drive, to accept the affidavit of compliance for the respondents Nancy 1669 01:36:17,677 --> 01:36:19,710 and Timothy O'Keefe, 1670 01:36:19,710 --> 01:36:25,402 corrected violations but did not pay the fine of $7,000, 1671 01:36:25,402 --> 01:36:33,126 and to approve the request for reduction, reduce the fine of $7,000 to $567. 1672 01:36:33,126 --> 01:36:35,324 Second. 1673 01:36:36,729 --> 01:36:41,064 Inclusive of the administrative costs, 1674 01:36:41,064 --> 01:36:47,452 and order the respondent to pay the reduced fine of $567 1675 01:36:47,452 --> 01:36:50,190 within 30 calendar days. 1676 01:36:50,190 --> 01:36:52,717 Is that reasonable for you, 30 days? 1677 01:36:52,717 --> 01:36:53,749 I'll second. 1678 01:36:53,749 --> 01:36:59,419 Hang on. This order, and if not paid within 30 days of this order, 1679 01:36:59,419 --> 01:37:05,432 the original amount will be due. Okay, I've got a motion on the floor. 1680 01:37:05,432 --> 01:37:08,181 I'm looking for that second now. 1681 01:37:08,181 --> 01:37:08,614 Second, yes. 1682 01:37:08,614 --> 01:37:13,907 All right, a motion by Ms. Marsh, a second by Ms. Hoskin. All in favor say aye. 1683 01:37:13,907 --> 01:37:14,276 Aye. 1684 01:37:14,276 --> 01:37:14,548 Aye. 1685 01:37:15,078 --> 01:37:19,259 Any opposed? Okay, the motion passes. $567 due in 30 days. 1686 01:37:19,259 --> 01:37:23,513 Okay, do I get like an invoice or do I just pay it through— 1687 01:37:23,513 --> 01:37:26,240 Ms.— Have you given me your email? 1688 01:37:26,240 --> 01:37:29,624 I think I have. I'll give it to you now if you'd like. 1689 01:37:29,624 --> 01:37:33,635 Yeah, she can take it down now quietly over there, and then, um, 1690 01:37:33,635 --> 01:37:38,523 just understand if it's not paid within 30 days, it goes back to the original. 1691 01:37:38,523 --> 01:37:42,220 It's not $70,000, but it is $7,000. Yeah, sorry about that. 1692 01:37:42,220 --> 01:37:42,240 So significant. 1693 01:37:42,240 --> 01:37:43,040 That's okay. 1694 01:37:43,040 --> 01:37:47,523 No, that's good. I think I'll— 1695 01:37:47,523 --> 01:37:51,409 Thank you, sir. Thank you. 1696 01:37:51,409 --> 01:37:53,800 T-C-O-J-7-3-6-0. 1697 01:37:53,800 --> 01:37:56,458 Okay, so we're moving on to 26. on page 10. 1698 01:37:56,458 --> 01:37:57,526 Thank you. 1699 01:37:57,526 --> 01:37:58,803 Page 10. 1700 01:37:58,803 --> 01:37:59,256 I got it. 1701 01:37:59,256 --> 01:38:01,446 Thank you, thank you. 1702 01:38:01,446 --> 01:38:09,059 Okay, we are moving on to agenda item number 26 on page 10 of the agenda. 1703 01:38:09,059 --> 01:38:15,003 Um, that is case number CER-26-00269. Uh, Jerome Troy St. 1704 01:38:15,100 --> 01:38:15,294 Troy. 1705 01:38:15,294 --> 01:38:16,379 Yep. 1706 01:38:16,379 --> 01:38:22,641 Wow, thank you. Um, at 1001 10th Street Southwest, Largo, 1707 01:38:22,641 --> 01:38:29,123 Florida 33770. Uh, we have Code Officer Rivera. Hello, sir. 1708 01:38:30,482 --> 01:38:30,984 And thank you. 1709 01:38:31,048 --> 01:38:32,165 This is a first order. 1710 01:38:32,165 --> 01:38:37,730 Code Officer Ruben Rivera representing the City of Largo. 1711 01:38:37,730 --> 01:38:45,053 This is case number CR-20-26-00269. The respondent is Jerome Troy St. Troy. 1712 01:38:45,053 --> 01:38:51,789 Property address is 1001 10th Street Southwest, Largo, Florida 33770. 1713 01:38:51,789 --> 01:38:54,816 This is a homesteaded property. 1714 01:38:54,816 --> 01:38:59,014 Violations: COO 5-4, foul running at large, 1715 01:38:59,014 --> 01:39:06,727 keeping of backyard foul requirements. COO 11-47, duty of owners and occupants. 1716 01:39:06,727 --> 01:39:12,097 CDC 18.2.5.C5, Exterior structure, roofs, and drainage. 1717 01:39:12,097 --> 01:39:16,979 CDC 18.2.5.B1, exterior property areas sanitation. 1718 01:39:16,979 --> 01:39:21,665 COO 11-48, excessive growth of weeds and debris. 1719 01:39:21,665 --> 01:39:27,035 The initial inspection of the property was on 4/6/2026. 1720 01:39:27,035 --> 01:39:32,112 An amended notice of violation was dated on 6/24/26. 1721 01:39:32,112 --> 01:39:37,873 The amended notice of violation compliance date was 7/2/26. 1722 01:39:37,873 --> 01:39:44,316 Reinspection was 7/6/26. The reinspection result was noncompliant. 1723 01:39:44,316 --> 01:39:51,444 The amended notice of violation was sent via certified mail to the listed 1724 01:39:51,444 --> 01:39:56,716 property owner and Pinellas County Property Appraiser. 1725 01:39:56,716 --> 01:40:01,890 And the notice of hearing was posted on the property, 1726 01:40:01,890 --> 01:40:05,112 posted in the lobby of City Hall, 1727 01:40:05,112 --> 01:40:12,533 and sent via certified mail to the listed property owner and Pinellas County 1728 01:40:12,533 --> 01:40:15,266 Property Appraiser's Office. 1729 01:40:15,266 --> 01:40:18,684 Here we have the notice of hearing, 1730 01:40:18,684 --> 01:40:23,175 which was posted at the property on 7/15/2026. 1731 01:40:23,175 --> 01:40:30,497 This is the front yard, uh, that is a chicken coop there in the front yard. 1732 01:40:30,497 --> 01:40:35,086 The side yard with the junk, trash, and debris. 1733 01:40:35,086 --> 01:40:35,721 Thank you. 1734 01:40:37,829 --> 01:40:39,948 Another view of the side yard. 1735 01:40:39,948 --> 01:40:45,033 This is the backyard with the overgrowth and the dilapidated structures. 1736 01:40:45,033 --> 01:40:50,965 Looks like some— not sure if they were PVC pipes or just makeshift tents back in the 1737 01:40:50,965 --> 01:40:51,318 back. 1738 01:40:51,318 --> 01:40:55,559 And just want to add, sorry, Officer Rivera, this is a picture that was taken. 1739 01:40:55,559 --> 01:40:58,875 Obviously, it's in the backyard of the backside of the house. 1740 01:40:58,875 --> 01:41:02,028 This was taken from the Pinellas County trail, bike trail. 1741 01:41:04,557 --> 01:41:07,852 Just a closer view of all the junk, trash, and debris. 1742 01:41:07,852 --> 01:41:09,377 Um, here, as you can see, 1743 01:41:09,377 --> 01:41:14,258 I have circled the loose chickens that are running in the front of the property. 1744 01:41:14,258 --> 01:41:16,942 I've also observed them crossing the street. 1745 01:41:16,942 --> 01:41:19,871 However, I was unable to obtain a photo of that. 1746 01:41:19,871 --> 01:41:20,759 What about why? 1747 01:41:20,759 --> 01:41:22,436 A chicken crossed the road? 1748 01:41:22,436 --> 01:41:27,968 A corrective action: cut and maintain grass and weeds below 12 inches in height. 1749 01:41:27,968 --> 01:41:29,558 Remove all junk, trash, 1750 01:41:29,558 --> 01:41:34,675 and debris and/or store in a fully enclosed structure so as not to be seen 1751 01:41:34,675 --> 01:41:35,228 enclosed structure so as not to be seen from the 1752 01:41:35,228 --> 01:41:40,691 road. Remove blue tarps from roof. Obtain permits to repair roof as applicable. 1753 01:41:40,691 --> 01:41:45,946 All permit work must be completed and final inspection by building inspector 1754 01:41:45,946 --> 01:41:46,430 final inspection by building inspector passed. 1755 01:41:46,430 --> 01:41:51,892 The permitted fowl, which is up to 12 per single-family residence, no roosters, 1756 01:41:51,892 --> 01:41:55,695 must be housed in an outdoor coop or similar structure. 1757 01:41:55,695 --> 01:42:01,296 And such coop or similar structure shall not be located within the front yard and 1758 01:42:01,296 --> 01:42:05,929 shall be maintained in a clean and sanitary condition at all times. 1759 01:42:05,929 --> 01:42:08,280 Fowl must not be running at large. 1760 01:42:08,280 --> 01:42:13,604 Staff recommends giving the respondent, Jirell Troy Sanchoy, until August 24, 1761 01:42:13,604 --> 01:42:13,950 Jirell Troy Sanchoy, until August 24, 2026, 1762 01:42:13,950 --> 01:42:15,471 to achieve compliance. 1763 01:42:15,471 --> 01:42:17,546 If compliance is not achieved, 1764 01:42:17,546 --> 01:42:22,593 staff recommends the Code Enforcement Board impose a fine of $250 per day 1765 01:42:22,593 --> 01:42:23,216 Board impose a fine of $250 per day beginning 1766 01:42:23,216 --> 01:42:27,918 on August 25th, 2026, until the property is brought into compliance, 1767 01:42:27,918 --> 01:42:33,242 with the fine not to exceed the just market value established by the Pinellas 1768 01:42:33,242 --> 01:42:33,657 market value established by the Pinellas County 1769 01:42:33,657 --> 01:42:38,013 Property Appraiser of $124,326. That concludes my presentation. 1770 01:42:38,013 --> 01:42:40,562 All right, thank you very much. Hello, sir. 1771 01:42:40,562 --> 01:42:41,033 Hi. 1772 01:42:41,033 --> 01:42:43,631 Please state your, uh, full name and your address. 1773 01:42:43,631 --> 01:42:46,967 It's Jero Troy, St. Troy 1001. 1774 01:42:46,967 --> 01:42:50,191 10th Street Southwest, Largo, 1775 01:42:50,191 --> 01:42:51,748 Florida 33770. 1776 01:42:51,748 --> 01:42:52,424 Okay. 1777 01:42:52,424 --> 01:42:54,533 That's 4436 if you want the last. 1778 01:42:54,533 --> 01:42:55,048 Nice. 1779 01:42:56,111 --> 01:42:58,691 Uh, people don't often know that. Uh, thanks for coming in today. 1780 01:42:58,691 --> 01:42:59,763 What would you like to say? 1781 01:42:59,763 --> 01:43:01,993 Um, first of all, there's the— 1782 01:43:01,993 --> 01:43:06,454 I think it's very strange that you guys allow anyone to post 1783 01:43:06,454 --> 01:43:09,800 anything. I was out of town for like 2 weeks. 1784 01:43:10,171 --> 01:43:10,268 Okay. 1785 01:43:10,591 --> 01:43:14,195 On the 15th, he posted that. I came back. It was all on the ground. 1786 01:43:14,195 --> 01:43:15,702 I highly encourage you guys, 1787 01:43:15,702 --> 01:43:19,091 if you're gonna put something out in Florida during the summer, 1788 01:43:19,091 --> 01:43:23,341 have it in an envelope, then you paste it on, and then it'll survive the rains. 1789 01:43:23,341 --> 01:43:25,439 Otherwise, it's ridiculous, number one. 1790 01:43:25,439 --> 01:43:29,474 I have pictures on my phone if you wanna see it. You couldn't even read it. 1791 01:43:29,474 --> 01:43:31,337 Oh, wow. 1792 01:43:31,337 --> 01:43:36,234 So it doesn't make sense, someone who's lived in Florida to do something like 1793 01:43:36,234 --> 01:43:36,552 lived in Florida to do something like that. 1794 01:43:36,552 --> 01:43:41,893 But I didn't mind because it was actually in my mailbox. So I was able to read that. 1795 01:43:41,893 --> 01:43:43,038 Just a suggestion. 1796 01:43:43,038 --> 01:43:43,457 Sure. 1797 01:43:43,457 --> 01:43:47,408 And then the roof was tarped by the US Army Corps of Engineers. 1798 01:43:47,408 --> 01:43:50,982 You have a problem with that? I have a problem with that. 1799 01:43:50,982 --> 01:43:53,616 I'm part of the Pinellas Recovers program. 1800 01:43:53,616 --> 01:43:57,128 They have been ridiculously nitpicky and changing stuff. 1801 01:43:57,128 --> 01:44:01,392 And every time you think you're done, you're not. They ask for more. 1802 01:44:01,392 --> 01:44:03,337 So the roof is not going to be— 1803 01:44:03,337 --> 01:44:07,162 have the tarp removed regardless of what you guys say. Sorry. 1804 01:44:07,162 --> 01:44:09,921 It is part of the Pinellas Recovers program. 1805 01:44:09,921 --> 01:44:13,684 If I were to remove the tarp as this gentleman demands I do, 1806 01:44:13,684 --> 01:44:18,199 I would hold the city liable for causing further damage to the property. 1807 01:44:18,199 --> 01:44:22,965 Okay, there's a hole in the roof from the hurricanes. I'm doing the process. 1808 01:44:22,965 --> 01:44:25,975 I'm doing everything they're requiring me to do. 1809 01:44:25,975 --> 01:44:30,553 Which means going back and back and back. Oh, we need this from 2025 now. 1810 01:44:30,553 --> 01:44:34,191 Well, you didn't need that before. Why do you need it now? 1811 01:44:34,191 --> 01:44:35,884 Okay, well, we got it then. 1812 01:44:35,884 --> 01:44:38,016 We've had to go to the IRS office, 1813 01:44:38,016 --> 01:44:41,590 which requires you have an appointment way out in August. 1814 01:44:41,590 --> 01:44:44,851 And meanwhile, oh, if you don't get it in this week. 1815 01:44:44,851 --> 01:44:48,426 And it's been amazing what we had to do to get this done. 1816 01:44:48,426 --> 01:44:50,414 A lot of red tape, it sounds like. Yeah. 1817 01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:51,864 And chickens, get out. 1818 01:44:51,864 --> 01:44:56,130 I didn't realize until I had the paperwork So thank you, in the mailbox, 1819 01:44:56,130 --> 01:44:59,331 that it wasn't allowed to have fowl in the front yard. 1820 01:44:59,331 --> 01:45:04,249 I only put them in the front yard because they kept getting killed in the backyard. 1821 01:45:04,249 --> 01:45:08,990 So I said, let's try them in the front yard for a little bit until we get things 1822 01:45:08,990 --> 01:45:13,553 squared away with a coop in the backyard. We now have a coop in the backyard. 1823 01:45:13,553 --> 01:45:13,987 Okay. 1824 01:45:13,987 --> 01:45:19,697 And all the chickens, which are under 12, are in the backyard along with the turkey. 1825 01:45:19,697 --> 01:45:24,455 And we got 5 rabbits back there too. I don't have a lawn to mow, okay? 1826 01:45:24,455 --> 01:45:29,757 And I don't have tents. Those are part of the chicken coop. It's called poles. 1827 01:45:29,757 --> 01:45:31,320 They're from a carport. 1828 01:45:31,320 --> 01:45:34,787 And actually, we've got chicken wire all around it, 1829 01:45:34,787 --> 01:45:38,049 and I realized I didn't get enough chicken wire. 1830 01:45:38,049 --> 01:45:43,147 And this isn't free, and I am the only one that's supporting the household. 1831 01:45:43,147 --> 01:45:48,721 I've had no, no success yet and getting support from anyone else in the household. 1832 01:45:48,721 --> 01:45:51,916 I have 3 other adults now that my godson is 18. 1833 01:45:51,916 --> 01:45:53,615 So it's very challenging, 1834 01:45:53,615 --> 01:45:59,053 but I've been doing my damnedest to get everything squared away with their help. 1835 01:45:59,053 --> 01:46:02,112 Despite they're not contributing financially, 1836 01:46:02,112 --> 01:46:07,482 they've been amazingly helpful in looking out for me when I'm out of town for a 1837 01:46:07,482 --> 01:46:12,512 couple weeks, taking care of feeding the chickens, the dogs, and all that. 1838 01:46:12,512 --> 01:46:17,202 Yeah, so this isn't something I've been Thumbing my nose at the city. 1839 01:46:17,202 --> 01:46:21,484 I've been working at getting everything squared away, you know, 1840 01:46:21,484 --> 01:46:23,455 but I only have so much time. 1841 01:46:23,455 --> 01:46:25,563 And right now I'm driving taxi, 1842 01:46:25,563 --> 01:46:29,777 and before I could get away with working 14 to 16 hours a day. 1843 01:46:29,777 --> 01:46:33,244 Now I, I haven't slept in my bed for almost a year. 1844 01:46:33,244 --> 01:46:36,642 Okay, I sleep in the taxi, but I have a residence. 1845 01:46:36,642 --> 01:46:42,216 I'm just not able to sleep there because if I sleep there, I miss out on business. 1846 01:46:42,216 --> 01:46:42,526 Okay. 1847 01:46:44,225 --> 01:46:49,224 Okay, and I have things I'm working on to get it so I don't have to be driving taxi 1848 01:46:49,224 --> 01:46:53,200 anymore. So I'm kind of in a rock and a hard place, in a catch-22, 1849 01:46:53,200 --> 01:46:56,392 because you can't make money if you don't make money, 1850 01:46:56,392 --> 01:46:58,922 and at the same time you got to pay bills. 1851 01:46:58,922 --> 01:47:01,873 So, um, and again, I don't have a lawn, you know. 1852 01:47:01,873 --> 01:47:06,210 The only thing that could even be considered to be weeds are some— those 1853 01:47:06,210 --> 01:47:06,511 considered to be weeds are some— those darn— 1854 01:47:06,511 --> 01:47:07,415 what are those? 1855 01:47:07,415 --> 01:47:07,994 Dandelions. 1856 01:47:08,286 --> 01:47:12,829 oak tree. It's this kind of oak tree that kind of puts seedlings everywhere, 1857 01:47:12,829 --> 01:47:17,850 and I gotta like spray Roundup or whatever on them to get them to kill at the roots, 1858 01:47:17,850 --> 01:47:22,691 you know. And there are 3 chickens that keep getting out, and I've, I've got, um, 1859 01:47:22,691 --> 01:47:24,723 those, those, uh, cardboard poles. 1860 01:47:24,723 --> 01:47:29,087 I've got chicken wire going around one, and I got rolls enough to make it 1861 01:47:29,087 --> 01:47:29,625 and I got rolls enough to make it enclosed, 1862 01:47:29,625 --> 01:47:32,434 and I'm gonna sink it up so they can't get out. 1863 01:47:32,434 --> 01:47:34,347 That's where we're at right now, 1864 01:47:34,347 --> 01:47:39,248 but right now I have to get more chicken wire because I thought I'd have enough to 1865 01:47:39,248 --> 01:47:41,818 go over the roof to cage it in like a cage. 1866 01:47:41,818 --> 01:47:46,062 But I didn't realize I didn't get enough to cover around the other end. 1867 01:47:46,062 --> 01:47:50,904 And there's enough rain here in Florida that unless you have a large enough space 1868 01:47:50,904 --> 01:47:54,251 for the chicken run, it gets too soupy and they all die. 1869 01:47:54,251 --> 01:47:56,761 I've lost my chickens a couple times over, 1870 01:47:56,761 --> 01:48:01,424 like half of them die overnight if you don't have enough room for them to move 1871 01:48:01,424 --> 01:48:06,086 around and they're too cooped up. Um, I don't know. Do you have any questions? 1872 01:48:06,086 --> 01:48:10,448 Well, there might be some follow-up questions. You— I appreciate all of that. 1873 01:48:10,448 --> 01:48:12,147 We as a board appreciate that. 1874 01:48:12,147 --> 01:48:16,396 Um, you did bring up one interesting point that rose a question in my mind. 1875 01:48:16,396 --> 01:48:19,851 The tarp and the roof and the county, um, the county program. 1876 01:48:19,851 --> 01:48:24,496 What do we say about that? Is this new to you today, or what do we say about that? 1877 01:48:24,496 --> 01:48:28,856 I believe he said he's in the Pinellas Recovery Program, which Which is— 1878 01:48:28,856 --> 01:48:32,490 would that be who sent out the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers? 1879 01:48:32,490 --> 01:48:36,190 No, I took it down to the Blue Roof Program. 1880 01:48:36,190 --> 01:48:38,890 Yeah, there's a program that comes out. 1881 01:48:38,890 --> 01:48:44,385 Yeah, so this was after the fact. I actually got like just a— is it okay if I 1882 01:48:44,385 --> 01:48:44,742 actually got like just a— is it okay if I talk? 1883 01:48:44,742 --> 01:48:49,452 Yeah, sorry. I only got $1,300 to fix the roof from the insurance. 1884 01:48:49,452 --> 01:48:51,450 There's a $2,000 deductible. 1885 01:48:51,450 --> 01:48:52,640 So that's more info. 1886 01:48:53,170 --> 01:48:55,783 So that wasn't even enough to pay for the roofers. 1887 01:48:55,783 --> 01:49:00,120 So okay, I took care of the free Blue Roof program or blue tarp program through the 1888 01:49:00,120 --> 01:49:04,092 U.S. Army Corps of Engineers. They actually hired professional roofers to do 1889 01:49:04,092 --> 01:49:04,353 actually hired professional roofers to do that. 1890 01:49:04,353 --> 01:49:08,743 And that's something else, um, it's a— it puts on here like failure to, like, think, 1891 01:49:08,743 --> 01:49:10,990 says soffits and proper drainage and stuff. 1892 01:49:11,086 --> 01:49:11,763 That's ridiculous. 1893 01:49:11,811 --> 01:49:14,441 There's never been soffits. There's never been gutters. 1894 01:49:14,441 --> 01:49:17,311 There's never been anything but a roof. There is no soffits. 1895 01:49:17,311 --> 01:49:18,267 All it is is a roof, 1896 01:49:18,267 --> 01:49:22,141 and all it is is tarp protecting the roof from where it got holes punctured in it 1897 01:49:22,141 --> 01:49:25,489 and where the, uh— Florida room roof got peeled back by the hurricane. 1898 01:49:25,489 --> 01:49:26,445 It's like a tin can, 1899 01:49:26,445 --> 01:49:30,367 like a sardine can rolled back and flew off in the neighbor's yard and my yard and 1900 01:49:30,367 --> 01:49:31,084 all that stuff. 1901 01:49:31,084 --> 01:49:32,358 So what is your current— 1902 01:49:32,358 --> 01:49:35,277 what is your current status with the program right now? 1903 01:49:35,277 --> 01:49:39,310 I know you lamented about all of the red tape. Are you still in the program? 1904 01:49:39,310 --> 01:49:41,491 I got angry with the last caseworker, 1905 01:49:41,491 --> 01:49:46,324 and I'm going to be going to personally talk to their supervisor because it's like 1906 01:49:46,324 --> 01:49:50,981 I'm actually in the car with a passenger and I answered the phone to say, yeah, 1907 01:49:50,981 --> 01:49:52,749 I got that stuff from the IRS. 1908 01:49:52,749 --> 01:49:57,229 And then I, and I, and I said, I'm in the process of emailing it to you now. 1909 01:49:57,229 --> 01:50:01,591 And while I'm working with a passenger who actually has dementia going on, 1910 01:50:01,591 --> 01:50:04,597 she's asking me the same question 4 times in a row, 1911 01:50:04,597 --> 01:50:07,544 and I keep reading it off to her. And I got upset. 1912 01:50:07,544 --> 01:50:07,962 Okay. 1913 01:50:07,962 --> 01:50:10,242 So I got to take care of it by going in person. 1914 01:50:10,242 --> 01:50:10,547 Okay. 1915 01:50:10,547 --> 01:50:15,190 And talking to the supervisor to get someone else reassigned to it because 1916 01:50:15,190 --> 01:50:15,504 someone else reassigned to it because they— 1917 01:50:15,504 --> 01:50:18,830 she's been ignoring The submissions had not required— 1918 01:50:18,830 --> 01:50:23,912 not replied to the submissions with the— what I had to do for the 2025 tax. Okay. 1919 01:50:24,248 --> 01:50:28,851 Do you feel like that has any bearing on your position, Mr. Cruz? 1920 01:50:28,851 --> 01:50:32,414 No, I understand. And then maybe it just threw them off seeing the tarp. 1921 01:50:32,414 --> 01:50:36,323 The goal is to get the tarp off of there because obviously it becomes like junk 1922 01:50:36,323 --> 01:50:40,133 trash and debris, especially this long after obviously the situation that the 1923 01:50:40,133 --> 01:50:40,331 after obviously the situation that the city 1924 01:50:40,331 --> 01:50:43,052 went through. The goal is to get the roof fixed, right, 1925 01:50:43,052 --> 01:50:46,664 which then takes off the tarp. So obviously it kind of goes hand in hand. 1926 01:50:46,664 --> 01:50:50,573 The goal is to get the roof fixed because obviously there's damage to the roof. 1927 01:50:50,573 --> 01:50:51,464 So that's kind of— 1928 01:50:51,464 --> 01:50:57,438 So the corrective action would be to obtain all permits needed 1929 01:50:57,438 --> 01:51:03,219 for the repair of the roof and finalize those permits. Okay. 1930 01:51:03,524 --> 01:51:03,700 Yes. 1931 01:51:04,085 --> 01:51:09,109 So not necessarily removing the tarp. But making the necessary repairs. 1932 01:51:09,109 --> 01:51:09,688 Yes. 1933 01:51:09,688 --> 01:51:10,491 To the roof. 1934 01:51:10,491 --> 01:51:13,060 This actually says it must remove the tarp. 1935 01:51:13,060 --> 01:51:15,569 It actually says you must remove the tarp. 1936 01:51:15,569 --> 01:51:15,778 Yes. 1937 01:51:15,778 --> 01:51:18,156 It doesn't say to fix the roof. 1938 01:51:18,156 --> 01:51:22,732 I see that, sir, and that's why we're asking these questions, um, 1939 01:51:22,732 --> 01:51:26,956 because your order is not necessarily going to be, you know, 1940 01:51:26,956 --> 01:51:32,095 a repeat of your notice of violation. This is kind of your trial hearing. 1941 01:51:32,095 --> 01:51:37,797 to find whether that violation even exists and what is the appropriate corrective 1942 01:51:37,797 --> 01:51:38,290 action. 1943 01:51:38,290 --> 01:51:38,390 Okay. 1944 01:51:38,390 --> 01:51:38,930 Okay. 1945 01:51:38,930 --> 01:51:38,950 Yeah. 1946 01:51:38,950 --> 01:51:39,230 Okay. 1947 01:51:39,230 --> 01:51:42,322 If you guys can help with getting the Final Escape Recovers program to expedite 1948 01:51:42,322 --> 01:51:43,340 things, that'd be awesome. 1949 01:51:43,340 --> 01:51:47,164 Do we have contacts there that you guys work with? Not all families. 1950 01:51:47,164 --> 01:51:50,370 Our housing division may have contacts. Housing division. 1951 01:51:50,370 --> 01:51:50,790 Probably housing. 1952 01:51:50,790 --> 01:51:51,950 Housing division. 1953 01:51:51,950 --> 01:51:52,530 No. 1954 01:51:52,530 --> 01:51:56,790 Are they in this building, Mr. Bergeron? So did you hear that, Mr.— 1955 01:51:56,790 --> 01:51:58,731 Yes, he did. Someone's up there. Oh, sorry. 1956 01:51:58,731 --> 01:52:01,981 And then someone mentioned that there's a housing department that might— 1957 01:52:01,981 --> 01:52:04,779 because if it falls through, I'd love to have that for backup. 1958 01:52:05,982 --> 01:52:08,934 Yeah, that is correct. What floor is housing? Do we know? 1959 01:52:09,512 --> 01:52:10,763 I can go try to get someone's card. 1960 01:52:11,341 --> 01:52:13,202 Okay, that'd be helpful. 1961 01:52:13,202 --> 01:52:13,892 Thank you. 1962 01:52:14,389 --> 01:52:17,582 While we continue to ask, I have a question for the city. 1963 01:52:18,496 --> 01:52:18,625 Does— 1964 01:52:19,299 --> 01:52:24,769 do his violations pose a danger to his neighbors or the community? in any way. 1965 01:52:24,769 --> 01:52:29,749 And I believe that you said that his property abuts the Pinellas Trail. 1966 01:52:29,749 --> 01:52:32,484 Does he have secure fencing back there? 1967 01:52:32,484 --> 01:52:37,884 If the chickens have been moved, all the fowl, all the critters, so to speak, 1968 01:52:37,884 --> 01:52:40,128 have been moved to the backyard, 1969 01:52:40,128 --> 01:52:44,336 they can't get out through gaps in his fence onto the trail. 1970 01:52:44,336 --> 01:52:48,334 That's an issue, a potential issue, isn't it? I'm asking. 1971 01:52:48,334 --> 01:52:48,773 Right. 1972 01:52:49,163 --> 01:52:53,011 The only— I mean, the only complaint I've heard from some of the neighbors is that 1973 01:52:53,011 --> 01:52:55,686 the chickens go into their yards. and tear up their yard. 1974 01:52:55,686 --> 01:52:56,553 Okay. 1975 01:52:56,553 --> 01:53:00,153 I haven't seen that though. Like I said, I've seen them. 1976 01:53:00,153 --> 01:53:05,644 Right. So the chickens have to be housed in the backyard and/or let free-range 1977 01:53:05,644 --> 01:53:05,995 in the backyard and/or let free-range roam, 1978 01:53:05,995 --> 01:53:08,178 whatever, in the backyard only. 1979 01:53:08,178 --> 01:53:13,598 And the backyard then would need to be secure so that they don't get out from 1980 01:53:13,598 --> 01:53:14,020 secure so that they don't get out from behind 1981 01:53:14,020 --> 01:53:14,724 the house. 1982 01:53:14,724 --> 01:53:18,816 It's a privacy fence. It was actually put up through the Angel Fund. 1983 01:53:18,816 --> 01:53:19,220 Okay. 1984 01:53:19,970 --> 01:53:21,676 Through— by the City of Largo and a contractor. 1985 01:53:21,676 --> 01:53:25,036 Does the city object to giving him any more time? 1986 01:53:25,036 --> 01:53:30,317 Because I don't see how he's going to get this all done if the roof has to be 1987 01:53:30,317 --> 01:53:35,804 repaired and finalized, you know, if the permit has to be issued, roof repaired, 1988 01:53:35,804 --> 01:53:39,782 finalized. Are the contractors working that fast nowadays? 1989 01:53:39,782 --> 01:53:43,965 The roofers— have you got a roofer that you're in touch with? 1990 01:53:43,965 --> 01:53:46,445 It's probably not going to take With the program, 1991 01:53:46,445 --> 01:53:50,393 they're either going to be bringing everything up to code— that's the program— 1992 01:53:50,393 --> 01:53:54,038 or they're going to be demolishing it all and putting a brand new house. 1993 01:53:54,038 --> 01:53:58,309 Oh my. Okay, I mean, that's— 1994 01:53:59,007 --> 01:53:59,218 no. 1995 01:53:59,218 --> 01:54:01,345 Is that part of FEMA? 1996 01:54:01,345 --> 01:54:03,818 No, I don't think it's part of FEMA. 1997 01:54:03,818 --> 01:54:07,252 Government, the state program that— yeah, it was awarded, 1998 01:54:07,252 --> 01:54:11,470 and then certain portions of— okay, of money were given to our county. 1999 01:54:11,470 --> 01:54:14,121 And they're the administrators of that fund. 2000 01:54:14,121 --> 01:54:18,037 They could actually, if they wanted to and I get approved for it, 2001 01:54:18,037 --> 01:54:21,652 put a house there to replace this one valued up to $325,000, 2002 01:54:21,652 --> 01:54:26,412 and I actually get forgiven that amount over time for staying in as an owner of 2003 01:54:26,412 --> 01:54:26,593 over time for staying in as an owner of the 2004 01:54:26,593 --> 01:54:26,894 home. 2005 01:54:26,894 --> 01:54:32,645 A follow-up question for the framing of these structures that he testified are 2006 01:54:32,645 --> 01:54:38,396 part of the coop. Would those fall within the allowed guidelines for a chicken 2007 01:54:38,396 --> 01:54:38,765 coop? 2008 01:54:38,829 --> 01:54:41,906 I'm Um, I don't know about the guidelines of a chicken coop. 2009 01:54:41,906 --> 01:54:45,752 I wouldn't know that off the top of my head, but just looking at it myself, 2010 01:54:45,752 --> 01:54:46,983 I would say no. I don't, 2011 01:54:46,983 --> 01:54:50,419 I don't think that has anything to do with a coop in that backyard. 2012 01:54:50,419 --> 01:54:54,675 That just looks like junk trash and debris that's been covered up by tents that are 2013 01:54:54,675 --> 01:54:56,111 now in disrepair themselves. 2014 01:54:56,111 --> 01:54:57,238 Those are carports. 2015 01:54:57,238 --> 01:54:58,252 Yeah, carports either. 2016 01:54:58,316 --> 01:54:58,638 Yeah, yeah. 2017 01:54:58,638 --> 01:55:01,876 But, uh, that, that there is some— 2018 01:55:01,876 --> 01:55:06,634 what is under there? Dome-shaped tent-looking item with the blue and the 2019 01:55:06,634 --> 01:55:07,031 tent-looking item with the blue and the white. 2020 01:55:07,031 --> 01:55:08,485 Behind the framing of— 2021 01:55:08,485 --> 01:55:09,402 Behind the little horse. 2022 01:55:09,402 --> 01:55:11,173 Yeah, behind the little horse. 2023 01:55:11,173 --> 01:55:12,735 The dilapidated tent that I got rid of. 2024 01:55:12,735 --> 01:55:14,474 That was a tent. Okay. 2025 01:55:14,474 --> 01:55:18,144 This is a carport, and then what we did was we took this. 2026 01:55:18,144 --> 01:55:21,944 Yeah, now it's underneath the trees here, and I've got, uh, 2027 01:55:21,944 --> 01:55:26,194 one with the chicken coop, uh, chicken wire all the way around it, 2028 01:55:26,194 --> 01:55:31,281 and I got 2 rolls of chicken wire But that's enough to go over here and another 2029 01:55:31,281 --> 01:55:31,474 that's enough to go over here and another one 2030 01:55:31,474 --> 01:55:36,303 because I'm putting it lengthwise underneath the trees so they're protected 2031 01:55:36,303 --> 01:55:36,561 underneath the trees so they're protected from 2032 01:55:36,561 --> 01:55:37,849 prey, birds of prey. 2033 01:55:37,849 --> 01:55:41,777 And I have another 2 of these I'm putting next to each other, 2034 01:55:41,777 --> 01:55:46,542 and I didn't get enough of the chicken wire to go around the second one to 2035 01:55:46,542 --> 01:55:47,057 wire to go around the second one to complete 2036 01:55:47,057 --> 01:55:47,250 it. 2037 01:55:47,250 --> 01:55:49,710 Oh, nice. Look at that. Thanks. 2038 01:55:49,710 --> 01:55:51,222 Did that answer your question? 2039 01:55:51,222 --> 01:55:54,146 So basically, 2 of those are going to be the chicken coop. 2040 01:55:54,146 --> 01:55:56,264 Right now I just have one that's enclosed. 2041 01:55:56,264 --> 01:56:00,045 And I have enough chicken wire to go over the top, and I just have to like— 2042 01:56:00,045 --> 01:56:04,380 Okay. And then the other items about the, you know, the front yard, the trunk, 2043 01:56:04,380 --> 01:56:06,159 the junk, trash, debris— I mean, 2044 01:56:06,159 --> 01:56:10,494 obviously that there is a photo of a dilapidated tent like you just testified. 2045 01:56:10,494 --> 01:56:12,439 Like, that stuff has to be removed. 2046 01:56:12,439 --> 01:56:14,444 That was in the backyard. That was moved like months ago. 2047 01:56:14,444 --> 01:56:14,800 Okay. 2048 01:56:16,401 --> 01:56:17,209 And the, the— 2049 01:56:17,532 --> 01:56:20,329 when inspections were done, right, you know, the condition of the property. 2050 01:56:20,588 --> 01:56:20,766 Yeah. 2051 01:56:21,008 --> 01:56:24,141 And when the inspections were done Those things were present, right? 2052 01:56:24,141 --> 01:56:26,998 And so they're going to be cited as a violation, right? Right. 2053 01:56:26,998 --> 01:56:28,749 So they— those things can't come back. 2054 01:56:28,749 --> 01:56:32,205 I don't know the exact parameters or the specifications for a chicken coop. 2055 01:56:32,205 --> 01:56:35,845 I would recommend looking into that before you invest any more money on chicken 2056 01:56:35,845 --> 01:56:39,623 wire. Make sure that you're not building or constructing something that's not even 2057 01:56:39,623 --> 01:56:40,268 going to pass. 2058 01:56:40,268 --> 01:56:41,662 Or there were no specifications. 2059 01:56:41,662 --> 01:56:42,143 Okay. 2060 01:56:42,143 --> 01:56:45,636 And it's just like a pond in the backyard. There are no specifications. 2061 01:56:45,636 --> 01:56:47,065 Okay, just some advice, right? 2062 01:56:47,065 --> 01:56:50,828 Like, just Just make sure when you are making these improvements and corrective 2063 01:56:50,828 --> 01:56:52,686 actions that you're not just, you know, 2064 01:56:52,686 --> 01:56:56,354 moving a violation from one place to another. That would be my advice to you. 2065 01:56:56,354 --> 01:56:59,975 Um, chickens get out, but it's your responsibility to keep them from getting 2066 01:56:59,975 --> 01:57:00,165 responsibility to keep them from getting out, 2067 01:57:00,165 --> 01:57:01,356 obviously, especially if, 2068 01:57:01,356 --> 01:57:05,262 if they're going to wander into neighbors' yards and they're going to keep calling 2069 01:57:05,262 --> 01:57:06,691 and complaining on you, right? 2070 01:57:06,691 --> 01:57:09,073 We, we don't, we don't like seeing people in here, 2071 01:57:09,073 --> 01:57:11,741 and we definitely don't like seeing people repetitively. 2072 01:57:11,741 --> 01:57:15,123 And so I fear that that might happen if your chickens keep getting out. 2073 01:57:15,758 --> 01:57:19,228 There's 3 that I have yet to be able to catch. 2074 01:57:19,712 --> 01:57:19,987 Okay. 2075 01:57:20,762 --> 01:57:23,731 I don't know what to say. Every movie, we've ever seen, someone catches them. 2076 01:57:23,731 --> 01:57:24,232 I don't know. 2077 01:57:24,232 --> 01:57:25,538 I have a question. 2078 01:57:25,619 --> 01:57:25,989 Yes, please. 2079 01:57:26,102 --> 01:57:29,277 Where are the weeds? The weeds and debris? 2080 01:57:30,791 --> 01:57:33,644 I think the overgrowth, the overgrowth, 2081 01:57:33,644 --> 01:57:36,935 growing over the fence and against the fence. 2082 01:57:38,760 --> 01:57:43,017 Okay, that's the City of Largo along 125 feet They have. 2083 01:57:43,017 --> 01:57:45,450 Yeah, I was gonna suggest, yeah, 2084 01:57:45,450 --> 01:57:49,555 where the city would have paved 10th Avenue Southwest. 2085 01:57:49,699 --> 01:57:49,827 That— 2086 01:57:50,501 --> 01:57:54,673 and I've had— I've complained so many times about the city not taking care of 2087 01:57:54,673 --> 01:57:57,707 that property. Since I purchased the place 20 years ago, 2088 01:57:57,707 --> 01:57:59,061 they've been out 3 times. 2089 01:57:59,061 --> 01:58:00,471 So it was a site— 2090 01:58:00,471 --> 01:58:03,794 I'm the only one making— fixing it, picking up the trash, 2091 01:58:03,794 --> 01:58:05,601 and people going through there. 2092 01:58:05,601 --> 01:58:09,215 And I'm the only one who's been clearing it off from the side, 2093 01:58:09,215 --> 01:58:12,129 the fence that the city's not been taking care of. 2094 01:58:12,129 --> 01:58:15,933 Was the citation for the, the trail side of— or the— 2095 01:58:15,933 --> 01:58:18,540 No, it's, uh, you can see it inside the fence, right? 2096 01:58:18,540 --> 01:58:21,785 It's come up— the citation was from inside and over the fence and, 2097 01:58:21,785 --> 01:58:24,244 and right against the fence and the property line. 2098 01:58:24,244 --> 01:58:26,605 Um, that overgrowth is within the property line. 2099 01:58:27,488 --> 01:58:29,479 I do have some in the back I need to take care of, 2100 01:58:29,479 --> 01:58:31,709 but at the time that this was cited, it was all removed. 2101 01:58:31,709 --> 01:58:35,031 Okay, excellent. And that's the goal. Yeah, that's our goal here, right? 2102 01:58:35,957 --> 01:58:37,372 Um, but all this— 2103 01:58:38,315 --> 01:58:41,388 anyway, so, um, what are the dates on these images? 2104 01:58:41,388 --> 01:58:45,628 What, what is considered overgrowth and what is considered not? 2105 01:58:45,628 --> 01:58:48,859 So the stuff that's growing on there is flowers. 2106 01:58:48,859 --> 01:58:50,070 All it is is moon— 2107 01:58:50,263 --> 01:58:51,554 have you ever heard of moonflowers? 2108 01:58:54,554 --> 01:58:55,475 It's a vine that— 2109 01:58:55,475 --> 01:58:59,838 Are vines growing on fence structures a violation? 2110 01:59:00,690 --> 01:59:04,755 Since when is flowers along the fence a violation? 2111 01:59:04,755 --> 01:59:09,227 There's nothing along that fence that's not moonflower. 2112 01:59:09,227 --> 01:59:11,747 That's what grows fast in this— 2113 01:59:11,747 --> 01:59:13,330 That's a good question. 2114 01:59:14,730 --> 01:59:21,154 That was 4/6/2026. 2115 01:59:24,154 --> 01:59:30,606 Okay, so my understanding right now is That the alleged 2116 01:59:30,606 --> 01:59:37,175 violator is working towards correcting most of the cited 2117 01:59:37,175 --> 01:59:38,465 violations. 2118 01:59:38,465 --> 01:59:40,956 And has some red tape issues with— 2119 01:59:40,956 --> 01:59:43,060 With the roof portion. With the government agencies. 2120 01:59:43,060 --> 01:59:45,650 Roof and/or the entire structure, depending on how they deem it. 2121 01:59:45,650 --> 01:59:48,240 Are you currently in that program? I was kind of a vague answer. 2122 01:59:48,240 --> 01:59:50,709 Did you get kicked out of the program or are you still in it? 2123 01:59:50,709 --> 01:59:52,460 No, we've been in it for over a year since it started. 2124 01:59:52,460 --> 01:59:53,749 But they didn't kick you out of it? 2125 01:59:53,749 --> 01:59:56,400 You're still in it as far as you— As far as you know, in your testimony? 2126 01:59:56,400 --> 01:59:59,873 The only thing is, she— when I got upset with her, I said, ma'am, 2127 01:59:59,873 --> 02:00:00,995 I've said it 5 times. 2128 02:00:00,995 --> 02:00:05,163 Yeah, I'm reading you exactly what it says, and she's disagreeing. I can't say 2129 02:00:05,163 --> 02:00:05,430 says, and she's disagreeing. I can't say that. 2130 02:00:06,010 --> 02:00:06,350 Okay. 2131 02:00:06,350 --> 02:00:08,380 She said, I'll have to have someone else take over your case. 2132 02:00:08,380 --> 02:00:13,070 Okay, so is there anything else? Sure, go ahead, Ms. Huskin. 2133 02:00:13,070 --> 02:00:19,010 Okay, so this photograph of the side yard, is this something that you can't fix, or— 2134 02:00:19,010 --> 02:00:20,498 That doesn't even exist anymore. 2135 02:00:20,498 --> 02:00:21,846 That was where I temporarily— 2136 02:00:21,846 --> 02:00:25,008 the reason why it was covered around was because that freezing time, 2137 02:00:25,008 --> 02:00:28,821 and I had to do something to protect the chickens. I had 4 chickens die in 1 week. 2138 02:00:28,821 --> 02:00:29,479 Okay. 2139 02:00:29,479 --> 02:00:32,729 In the backyard. So I just moved them out to the front yard till we could build 2140 02:00:32,729 --> 02:00:33,799 something in the backyard. 2141 02:00:33,799 --> 02:00:38,969 All right, the latticework and then this pile that's covered by black tarp. 2142 02:00:38,969 --> 02:00:42,104 That's my solution, just so you know. 2143 02:00:42,104 --> 02:00:47,525 That is things to repair the roof in case I had to do it myself. 2144 02:00:47,525 --> 02:00:50,067 Those are Like flooring tiles. 2145 02:00:50,067 --> 02:00:52,482 Okay, then the greenery along the side? 2146 02:00:52,482 --> 02:00:53,931 That's called a garden. 2147 02:00:53,931 --> 02:00:55,622 That's a garden? 2148 02:00:55,622 --> 02:00:58,486 Yeah, it's a 10-farm bed. You ever heard of an EarthBox? 2149 02:00:58,486 --> 02:01:02,680 They're automatically watered, and then tomatoes and 5 different kinds of spinach. 2150 02:01:02,680 --> 02:01:08,403 Is the construction debris still there? Because— 2151 02:01:08,403 --> 02:01:11,873 There's no construction debris. That's just part of the fence that came down. 2152 02:01:11,873 --> 02:01:13,775 No, the, the stuff covered in the black tarp, 2153 02:01:13,775 --> 02:01:15,720 the roofing materials that you just mentioned. 2154 02:01:16,513 --> 02:01:17,661 It's gone. 2155 02:01:17,661 --> 02:01:21,987 Mr. St. Croix, do you happen to have any current pictures that are 2156 02:01:21,987 --> 02:01:25,199 updated beyond what we've got here on the screen? 2157 02:01:25,199 --> 02:01:26,444 None on your phone? 2158 02:01:26,444 --> 02:01:30,091 Just a picture of their notice on the ground. It's all destroyed from the rain. 2159 02:01:30,091 --> 02:01:33,272 Well, understood. But that's why they also mail it and post it. 2160 02:01:33,368 --> 02:01:35,362 And I know, I know. I'm just saying that's the only picture I have. 2161 02:01:36,021 --> 02:01:41,407 So if you want me to come back next hearing, 2162 02:01:41,407 --> 02:01:46,916 the images shown to the board Are from April, 2163 02:01:46,916 --> 02:01:47,650 right? 2164 02:01:47,779 --> 02:01:48,522 And when was the last— 2165 02:01:48,522 --> 02:01:51,963 And the notice of violation was issued on June 24th. 2166 02:01:51,963 --> 02:01:55,748 That was the amended notice. 2167 02:01:55,748 --> 02:01:57,785 That was the amended notice of violation. 2168 02:01:57,785 --> 02:02:01,282 That's correct. The first violation did not include, um, 2169 02:02:01,282 --> 02:02:06,341 the complaint about the chickens, uh, but then when I went to do a re-inspection, 2170 02:02:06,341 --> 02:02:11,461 I I saw the chicken crossing the road and I was able to take a picture of the ones 2171 02:02:11,461 --> 02:02:13,210 that were in the front yard. 2172 02:02:13,210 --> 02:02:14,664 Were they gray? 2173 02:02:14,664 --> 02:02:18,530 I can't recall. What were the dates on those again? 2174 02:02:18,530 --> 02:02:21,183 Your initial and the re-inspection? 2175 02:02:21,183 --> 02:02:27,746 4/6/26. And then 6/24/26. 2176 02:02:27,746 --> 02:02:31,413 Okay, I don't have the original notice of 2177 02:02:31,413 --> 02:02:35,348 violation. So if you can put that up for the 2178 02:02:35,348 --> 02:02:35,885 board. 2179 02:02:35,885 --> 02:02:40,739 It would have been removed after putting in an amended notice of violation. 2180 02:02:40,739 --> 02:02:41,917 6/6/24. 2181 02:02:41,917 --> 02:02:45,715 So, so when you do an amended notice of violation, 2182 02:02:45,715 --> 02:02:49,058 do you do a re-inspection of the properties? 2183 02:02:49,058 --> 02:02:50,383 Yes. 2184 02:02:50,383 --> 02:02:54,521 Okay. Do you have any images evidencing just 2185 02:02:54,521 --> 02:02:57,531 the violations on the day of the 2186 02:02:57,531 --> 02:02:58,848 re-inspection? 2187 02:03:00,127 --> 02:03:00,993 Just for the chickens. 2188 02:03:00,993 --> 02:03:02,676 Just for the chickens? 2189 02:03:02,676 --> 02:03:02,820 Yes. 2190 02:03:02,820 --> 02:03:09,009 Okay, so the images in relation to the chickens were taken on June 24th, right, 2191 02:03:09,009 --> 02:03:13,397 when the— of 2026? Okay. All the other violations? Okay. 2192 02:03:13,397 --> 02:03:15,982 And is your testimony under oath? 2193 02:03:15,982 --> 02:03:17,072 Yes. 2194 02:03:17,072 --> 02:03:22,639 That the other violations not relating to the chicken were still present on the date 2195 02:03:22,639 --> 02:03:24,959 of the amended notice of violation? 2196 02:03:25,696 --> 02:03:26,948 Yes, that's correct. 2197 02:03:26,948 --> 02:03:31,391 As of today, um, that pile of lumber that was in the front was removed. 2198 02:03:31,391 --> 02:03:35,459 That was not there. That's the only difference that I've noticed. 2199 02:03:35,459 --> 02:03:38,954 That is the only difference that you've noticed? 2200 02:03:38,954 --> 02:03:39,515 That's correct. 2201 02:03:39,515 --> 02:03:43,899 And back in June 24th, the debris, the construction debris, 2202 02:03:43,899 --> 02:03:46,649 the vegetation were all in existence? 2203 02:03:46,649 --> 02:03:46,986 Yes. 2204 02:03:46,986 --> 02:03:47,819 Okay. 2205 02:03:47,819 --> 02:03:48,380 That's correct. 2206 02:03:48,380 --> 02:03:49,246 Okay, thank you. 2207 02:03:50,336 --> 02:03:54,251 So that means The latticework that we saw is still 2208 02:03:54,251 --> 02:03:58,401 there, but the pile with the black plastic over it is 2209 02:03:58,401 --> 02:03:58,793 gone. 2210 02:03:58,793 --> 02:04:01,221 Right. I didn't notice the latticework either. 2211 02:04:01,221 --> 02:04:05,550 Just that structure that was in the front yard that I believe is the chicken coop. 2212 02:04:05,550 --> 02:04:09,574 That was a gazebo that I temporarily made the chicken coop until we could build one 2213 02:04:09,574 --> 02:04:10,156 in the back. 2214 02:04:10,156 --> 02:04:12,493 So that's still there in the front, 2215 02:04:12,493 --> 02:04:16,832 but that pile of lumber or sheets of sheetrock or whatever it is, 2216 02:04:16,832 --> 02:04:18,701 It was not there any longer. 2217 02:04:18,701 --> 02:04:24,231 Mr. St. Troy, what is your intention to do with that gazebo that's in the front 2218 02:04:24,231 --> 02:04:24,581 yard? 2219 02:04:24,581 --> 02:04:27,803 Well, I want to get rid of it, but in the— 2220 02:04:27,803 --> 02:04:33,328 the people that share the space with me wanted to put it somewhere else, 2221 02:04:33,328 --> 02:04:39,082 but I'm just of mind to get rid of it because it's like, it's just too old. 2222 02:04:39,082 --> 02:04:41,800 Is it a violation where it sits right now? 2223 02:04:44,800 --> 02:04:47,821 It's just, I mean, it's being used as a chicken coop, right? 2224 02:04:47,821 --> 02:04:50,018 It was used as a chicken coop. 2225 02:04:50,018 --> 02:04:55,378 He says he's already vacated the chickens, moved the chickens to the backyard. 2226 02:04:55,378 --> 02:04:59,775 But again, we'll need inspections for all that, right? Timeline. 2227 02:04:59,775 --> 02:05:01,493 I'd like to ask the city, 2228 02:05:01,493 --> 02:05:05,685 does he have sufficient time to get all these things handled? 2229 02:05:05,685 --> 02:05:08,021 Do you think it's sufficient time? 2230 02:05:08,476 --> 02:05:12,520 I think I need at least 6 months just to deal with the Pinellas Recovers program 2231 02:05:12,520 --> 02:05:12,672 deal with the Pinellas Recovers program for 2232 02:05:12,672 --> 02:05:13,582 the roofing stuff. 2233 02:05:13,582 --> 02:05:15,140 Yeah. 2234 02:05:15,140 --> 02:05:18,543 And their program is as slow as they are in this process. 2235 02:05:18,543 --> 02:05:20,096 The other stuff, you know, 2236 02:05:20,096 --> 02:05:24,991 60 days would be awesome because I have roommates that are not the neatest people, 2237 02:05:24,991 --> 02:05:30,007 but they take care of things when I— so I can be out of town to take care of things. 2238 02:05:30,007 --> 02:05:34,365 So I've been living with it in the meantime and Hopefully I got him a job 2239 02:05:34,365 --> 02:05:34,843 meantime and Hopefully I got him a job finally. 2240 02:05:34,843 --> 02:05:37,717 Are your roommates family? 2241 02:05:37,717 --> 02:05:42,274 No. Yes, I took one in as a— 2242 02:05:42,274 --> 02:05:46,505 on May 23rd, 2003, who was 2243 02:05:46,505 --> 02:05:47,970 homeless. 2244 02:05:47,970 --> 02:05:49,845 2023 or 2003? 2245 02:05:49,845 --> 02:05:50,869 2003. 2246 02:05:50,934 --> 02:05:51,838 That's how long he's been here. 2247 02:05:51,838 --> 02:05:52,047 Okay. 2248 02:05:52,047 --> 02:05:56,003 And since then, he had a son who is my godson who just turned 18. 2249 02:05:56,003 --> 02:05:57,829 So he's been looking for work. 2250 02:05:57,829 --> 02:06:02,638 His dad has gout and is lucky if he can keep a job more than a few days because 2251 02:06:02,638 --> 02:06:02,881 keep a job more than a few days because they 2252 02:06:02,881 --> 02:06:07,872 want to schedule him out and they can't work more than a couple days at a time and 2253 02:06:07,872 --> 02:06:11,281 then it flares up. Okay, so I'm working with that. Yeah. 2254 02:06:11,281 --> 02:06:15,210 Okay, um, at this time I'm going to close the public portion. 2255 02:06:15,210 --> 02:06:19,655 I think the board needs to have a conversation. I do have a question. 2256 02:06:19,655 --> 02:06:21,910 Um, if the board wanted to do this, 2257 02:06:21,910 --> 02:06:26,226 is it possible to set different timelines for different violations, 2258 02:06:26,226 --> 02:06:28,609 and how would we go about doing that? 2259 02:06:28,609 --> 02:06:30,420 That is correct. 2260 02:06:30,724 --> 02:06:33,752 You can set different timelines per violation. 2261 02:06:33,752 --> 02:06:36,438 So the— okay, so we could perhaps, uh, 2262 02:06:36,438 --> 02:06:41,950 impose a 60-day deadline for things he can handle himself and perhaps go out 6 2263 02:06:41,950 --> 02:06:46,615 months for the roof and the government agencies that are involved? 2264 02:06:46,615 --> 02:06:48,735 Is that what we're discussing? 2265 02:06:48,735 --> 02:06:49,456 Yes. 2266 02:06:49,456 --> 02:06:50,273 Am I correct? 2267 02:06:50,273 --> 02:06:52,549 That was my question, if it was possible to do that. 2268 02:06:54,042 --> 02:06:58,631 You can do it in one order, just obviously ensure that you're separating. 2269 02:06:58,631 --> 02:06:59,322 Separating. 2270 02:06:59,499 --> 02:06:59,675 Yeah. 2271 02:06:59,836 --> 02:07:02,484 Now, is it the board's— 2272 02:07:02,484 --> 02:07:04,843 We separate the roof from the other, right? 2273 02:07:04,892 --> 02:07:05,261 That's what we're— 2274 02:07:05,261 --> 02:07:07,058 because he has no control over the roof. 2275 02:07:07,058 --> 02:07:10,798 Well, I mean, from this roof, but yes, I understand what you're saying. 2276 02:07:10,798 --> 02:07:15,060 I mean, is this going to affect the neighbors if parts of his roof starts 2277 02:07:15,060 --> 02:07:15,410 neighbors if parts of his roof starts flying 2278 02:07:15,410 --> 02:07:18,621 over the fence and hitting other people or the Plastic. 2279 02:07:18,621 --> 02:07:21,780 Yeah, I mean, well, I mean, I know it's an issue. 2280 02:07:21,780 --> 02:07:25,556 Got neighbors living around there, people walking on the trail, right? 2281 02:07:25,556 --> 02:07:30,054 If I may be so— there's nothing that could pull out of the roof. 2282 02:07:30,426 --> 02:07:32,302 Yeah, it's very secure. 2283 02:07:32,432 --> 02:07:33,515 It's done by the roofers. 2284 02:07:33,515 --> 02:07:38,049 Yeah, I've closed the public portion. We're discussing amongst ourselves. 2285 02:07:38,049 --> 02:07:41,341 We may have questions for you, so don't, don't leave. 2286 02:07:41,341 --> 02:07:43,329 But, um, yeah, I mean, You know, 2287 02:07:43,329 --> 02:07:48,484 it sounds like some of the board members here are wanting to consider allowing more 2288 02:07:48,484 --> 02:07:50,099 time for the roof portion. 2289 02:07:50,099 --> 02:07:55,006 The other stuff should be able to be handled relatively quickly, in my opinion. 2290 02:07:55,006 --> 02:07:56,391 I think 60 days is enough. 2291 02:07:56,391 --> 02:07:59,307 And then what do we think about the roof? 2292 02:07:59,307 --> 02:08:04,144 I mean, it's been— it's been an issue for a while. It's a big issue. 2293 02:08:04,144 --> 02:08:08,979 Yeah, and, and it's part of owning a house, right? 2294 02:08:09,189 --> 02:08:09,496 Keeping it up. 2295 02:08:10,210 --> 02:08:13,522 Well, and hurricane damage and hurricane damage. 2296 02:08:13,522 --> 02:08:17,938 And everybody's struggling because of that still post-hurricane. 2297 02:08:17,938 --> 02:08:21,223 What's your position? How long do you think on the roof? 2298 02:08:21,223 --> 02:08:24,148 60 days. I mean, he's got to apply for a permit. 2299 02:08:24,148 --> 02:08:27,012 Okay, he's got to start cleaning that place up. 2300 02:08:27,012 --> 02:08:30,242 That didn't happen overnight, right? That took years. 2301 02:08:30,242 --> 02:08:33,605 60 days for all of it. Ms. 2302 02:08:33,605 --> 02:08:38,520 Cuffrelli, you're thinking 60 days for 2303 02:08:38,520 --> 02:08:39,814 all of it? 2304 02:08:39,814 --> 02:08:40,480 Ms. Hoskins? 2305 02:08:40,480 --> 02:08:42,705 Yeah, I'd just do the whole thing for 60 days. 2306 02:08:42,705 --> 02:08:44,248 What do you think, Ms. Hoskins? 2307 02:08:44,248 --> 02:08:50,257 Well, I actually think you need to pull the roof out. 2308 02:08:50,257 --> 02:08:52,493 And add time for that? 2309 02:08:52,493 --> 02:08:52,769 Yes. 2310 02:08:52,769 --> 02:08:54,516 Yes. 2311 02:08:54,516 --> 02:09:00,064 I'm agreeable to that because I do understand what's going on with a lot of 2312 02:09:00,064 --> 02:09:00,434 understand what's going on with a lot of these 2313 02:09:00,434 --> 02:09:05,021 government agencies and all the red tape having to go through. 2314 02:09:05,021 --> 02:09:07,462 But the fact that you're sort of— 2315 02:09:07,462 --> 02:09:11,901 he's sort of living as a farmer and a gardener and all that, 2316 02:09:11,901 --> 02:09:15,526 it's got to be contained, it's got to be secured. 2317 02:09:15,526 --> 02:09:20,852 All of that you're going to have to do yourself. So this is going to be— 2318 02:09:20,852 --> 02:09:23,393 On farmland then, right? 2319 02:09:23,393 --> 02:09:26,127 As long as it's zoned appropriately. 2320 02:09:26,127 --> 02:09:27,735 You don't live in a residential area. 2321 02:09:28,192 --> 02:09:31,753 That's why I'm, you know, that's why I mentioned it. 2322 02:09:31,753 --> 02:09:36,818 I mean, you know, if you're gonna raise chickens and animals and have a farm, 2323 02:09:36,818 --> 02:09:41,488 you go away from the residential congested area, and you do your thing. 2324 02:09:41,488 --> 02:09:45,961 This is ridiculous. You're punishing everybody who lives around him. 2325 02:09:45,961 --> 02:09:50,097 Well, but I think he's allowed to have those 2326 02:09:50,097 --> 02:09:53,575 based on our state— on Largo statute. 2327 02:09:53,575 --> 02:09:54,703 So he's not— 2328 02:09:55,859 --> 02:09:58,203 he's allowed to have a few, right? 2329 02:09:58,251 --> 02:09:59,969 12 to 12, right? 2330 02:10:00,017 --> 02:10:01,529 Without running loose, right? 2331 02:10:01,529 --> 02:10:05,075 Here they're crossing the street and going wherever they want to go. 2332 02:10:05,332 --> 02:10:05,669 I understand. 2333 02:10:05,782 --> 02:10:08,168 So if you're planting some bushes or some nice flowers, 2334 02:10:08,168 --> 02:10:09,860 they're going over there and eating it. 2335 02:10:09,860 --> 02:10:15,795 Well, but again, I think we can talk about 60 days for the backyard foul, 2336 02:10:15,795 --> 02:10:18,560 the duty of owners and occupation. 2337 02:10:18,560 --> 02:10:25,064 and occupants, the exterior property's areas where there's sanitation issues and 2338 02:10:25,064 --> 02:10:25,308 areas where there's sanitation issues and the 2339 02:10:25,308 --> 02:10:28,317 excessive growth of weeds and debris. 2340 02:10:28,317 --> 02:10:32,626 So I think if we separate them, yeah, I think that's— 2341 02:10:32,626 --> 02:10:36,283 So if the roof falls off or blows off during the 2342 02:10:36,283 --> 02:10:39,711 hurricane, or what storm that we get, I mean, 2343 02:10:39,711 --> 02:10:41,311 how old is that roof? 2344 02:10:41,311 --> 02:10:46,193 I have no idea. It's at least 20 years old. But I've actually put treatment on 2345 02:10:46,193 --> 02:10:46,381 old. But I've actually put treatment on it. 2346 02:10:46,381 --> 02:10:50,387 So it's guaranteed for 10 years. From the treatment I put on it. 2347 02:10:50,387 --> 02:10:52,077 That was about 5 years ago. 2348 02:10:52,077 --> 02:10:56,550 Well, and is that now under the preview of the Army Corps because they put the— 2349 02:10:56,550 --> 02:10:57,311 No, I mean— 2350 02:10:57,311 --> 02:11:00,290 They put the tarp on. 2351 02:11:00,290 --> 02:11:02,174 Well, sure, but he's still the homeowner. 2352 02:11:02,174 --> 02:11:05,271 He put a tarp on thinking you're going to call your insurance company to come and 2353 02:11:05,271 --> 02:11:05,653 repair it. 2354 02:11:05,653 --> 02:11:07,819 I understand that, but if there's— 2355 02:11:07,819 --> 02:11:08,629 It's not forever. 2356 02:11:08,629 --> 02:11:10,365 Okay, I understand that, 2357 02:11:10,365 --> 02:11:15,573 but I also understand how the wheels of government can work very slowly. 2358 02:11:15,573 --> 02:11:19,271 Like I said before, this did not happen overnight. 2359 02:11:19,271 --> 02:11:20,477 It actually did. 2360 02:11:20,477 --> 02:11:22,667 Okay, so the public portion is closed. 2361 02:11:22,667 --> 02:11:26,759 So the board is deliberating and we're not allowing any more questions. 2362 02:11:26,759 --> 02:11:31,334 Okay. Okay, well— 2363 02:11:31,334 --> 02:11:32,933 Do you feel strongly enough to make a motion? 2364 02:11:32,933 --> 02:11:35,812 And then are we going to get traction on the vote? We did lose one voting member. 2365 02:11:35,812 --> 02:11:36,553 Right. 2366 02:11:36,843 --> 02:11:39,150 Um, I agree with Ms. Marsh. 2367 02:11:39,150 --> 02:11:46,243 I think you know, that it's agreeable to give him 60 days to do his self-corrective 2368 02:11:46,243 --> 02:11:52,396 actions and to give him 6 months to get whomsoever to finalize the roof. 2369 02:11:52,396 --> 02:11:52,653 Mm-hmm. 2370 02:11:52,653 --> 02:11:56,438 But it's got to be permitted. It's got to be finalized. 2371 02:11:56,438 --> 02:12:00,842 It's got to please whatever government agency he's dealing with. 2372 02:12:00,842 --> 02:12:03,870 So I understand the red tape of that, and I, 2373 02:12:03,870 --> 02:12:08,756 I think it's agreeable to give him 6 months just for that. So would Ms. 2374 02:12:08,756 --> 02:12:13,573 Carrera, practically speaking, would we do 2 motions or just separate, 2375 02:12:13,573 --> 02:12:15,844 pull that one out from the other? 2376 02:12:15,844 --> 02:12:20,977 You can do it in one motion if you do it correctly and you're able to identify the 2377 02:12:20,977 --> 02:12:21,978 timeline for it. 2378 02:12:21,978 --> 02:12:22,267 Okay. 2379 02:12:23,198 --> 02:12:25,525 All right. Let me process it while we wait for Ms. 2380 02:12:25,525 --> 02:12:27,806 Marsh to return and we'll see if we can get this. 2381 02:12:27,806 --> 02:12:30,843 Just one small correction there. 2382 02:12:30,843 --> 02:12:33,121 For terms of compliance, 2383 02:12:33,121 --> 02:12:37,107 it only has to satisfy LARGO requirements. 2384 02:12:37,107 --> 02:12:37,815 Right. 2385 02:12:37,815 --> 02:12:42,140 For terms of grant or money that he's getting from other agencies, 2386 02:12:42,140 --> 02:12:44,499 that is outside of our jurisdiction. 2387 02:12:44,499 --> 02:12:46,630 Correct. Understood. Yes, I understand. 2388 02:12:46,630 --> 02:12:51,055 He's got to deal with all of that and make sure that LARGO is happy with whatever 2389 02:12:51,055 --> 02:12:51,328 he's— 2390 02:12:51,328 --> 02:12:53,755 He obviously wants to obtain those grants. 2391 02:12:53,755 --> 02:12:58,261 He, you know, he has separate conditions to abide by. But for purposes of our— 2392 02:12:58,261 --> 02:13:03,016 Are we making a lot of decisions based on those grants and what have you without 2393 02:13:03,016 --> 02:13:05,215 seeing applications or documentation? 2394 02:13:05,215 --> 02:13:05,878 We are. 2395 02:13:05,959 --> 02:13:07,891 We're going off of, yeah, testimony. 2396 02:13:07,891 --> 02:13:10,896 Yeah, well, you have to— 2397 02:13:10,896 --> 02:13:15,427 Mr. St. Troy, to get hot on the government agencies. 2398 02:13:15,427 --> 02:13:17,128 Oh, for sure. Right. 2399 02:13:17,128 --> 02:13:19,371 And I understand you have a full-time job. 2400 02:13:19,371 --> 02:13:21,045 More than full-time. 2401 02:13:23,591 --> 02:13:27,457 Okay, I don't know that we need to necessarily wait, do we? 2402 02:13:27,457 --> 02:13:30,012 We can, um, take a— do we need to wait? 2403 02:13:30,673 --> 02:13:31,206 Wait on— 2404 02:13:31,383 --> 02:13:32,190 for Ms. Marsh to return? 2405 02:13:32,190 --> 02:13:33,754 Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't— 2406 02:13:33,754 --> 02:13:35,528 If we have— well, we have a quorum either way. 2407 02:13:35,528 --> 02:13:36,706 We have a quorum. 2408 02:13:37,109 --> 02:13:44,040 Um, let me see if I can figure out how to state this correctly. 2409 02:13:44,040 --> 02:13:48,000 Um, let me see if I can handle this. 2410 02:13:48,000 --> 02:13:56,141 All right, I will move in case number CER 26-00269 To find the respondent, 2411 02:13:56,141 --> 02:14:03,952 GRL Troy St. Troy, in violation of the City of Largo Code of Ordinances 2412 02:14:03,952 --> 02:14:08,573 Section 5.4, Section 11-47, Section 11-48, 2413 02:14:08,573 --> 02:14:16,054 and the Comprehensive Development Code Sections 18 18.2.5.B1 for the 2414 02:14:16,054 --> 02:14:23,644 property located at 1001 10th Street Southwest, Largo, Florida 33770, 2415 02:14:23,644 --> 02:14:31,785 and also to find him in violation of the City of Largo Code of Ordinances— 2416 02:14:31,785 --> 02:14:39,266 excuse me— and the Comprehensive Development Code Section 18.2.5.C5. 2417 02:14:39,266 --> 02:14:47,297 18.2.5.C5. And to assess a fine of $250 per day beginning on October 1st, 2418 02:14:47,297 --> 02:14:51,148 2026, for the first ones mentioned, 2419 02:14:51,148 --> 02:14:58,738 and to assess a fine of $250 per day beginning on January 30th, 2027, 2420 02:14:58,738 --> 02:15:04,679 just for CDC. 18.2.5.C5, until compliance is achieved, 2421 02:15:04,679 --> 02:15:11,500 with the fine not exceeding the just market value of $124,326, 2422 02:15:11,500 --> 02:15:19,641 and to order the respondent to contact the Community Standards Division to 2423 02:15:19,641 --> 02:15:27,562 arrange for a reinspection of the property to verify compliance with the 2424 02:15:27,562 --> 02:15:29,102 board's order. 2425 02:15:29,102 --> 02:15:31,470 Ms. Carrera, do you— 2426 02:15:31,470 --> 02:15:35,023 Do those need to be amended or 2427 02:15:35,023 --> 02:15:38,102 specified? First group of— 2428 02:15:38,102 --> 02:15:41,332 Yeah, the first— can you, can you specify the first group? 2429 02:15:41,332 --> 02:15:45,229 When you stated the first ones mentioned, what, what did you refer to? 2430 02:15:45,229 --> 02:15:46,176 Which violations? 2431 02:15:46,176 --> 02:15:49,332 For the first portion, 2432 02:15:49,332 --> 02:15:56,217 which is a 60-day deadline giving the respondent 2433 02:15:56,217 --> 02:16:02,098 until 10/1/2026 to cover Section COO 5-4, 2434 02:16:02,098 --> 02:16:06,257 Section 11-47, Section 11-48, 2435 02:16:06,257 --> 02:16:12,856 and the Comprehensive Development Code Section 2436 02:16:12,856 --> 02:16:14,290 18.2.5.B1. 2437 02:16:14,290 --> 02:16:15,936 Perfect. 2438 02:16:15,936 --> 02:16:22,022 And then to extend the deadline only for 2439 02:16:22,022 --> 02:16:28,412 section— or Comprehensive Development Code 2440 02:16:28,412 --> 02:16:34,954 Section 18.2.5.C5 until January 30th, 2027. 2441 02:16:34,954 --> 02:16:35,536 Okay. 2442 02:16:35,536 --> 02:16:36,184 I second. 2443 02:16:36,184 --> 02:16:41,255 All right, I've got a motion by Ms. Smith, a second by Ms. Hoskin. 2444 02:16:41,255 --> 02:16:42,868 All in favor say aye. 2445 02:16:42,868 --> 02:16:43,515 Aye. 2446 02:16:43,515 --> 02:16:46,235 All those opposed? 2447 02:16:46,235 --> 02:16:47,109 No. 2448 02:16:47,109 --> 02:16:48,502 No. 2449 02:16:48,502 --> 02:16:52,358 Okay, 2 nos, 4 yeses. 2450 02:16:53,143 --> 02:16:53,384 Okay. 2451 02:16:53,384 --> 02:16:54,476 Motion passes. 2452 02:16:54,476 --> 02:16:57,061 Did we— did you— 2453 02:16:57,655 --> 02:16:58,618 did you vote or hear? 2454 02:16:58,618 --> 02:16:59,132 I didn't vote. 2455 02:16:59,132 --> 02:17:00,352 Oh, you didn't vote. I'm sorry. 2456 02:17:00,352 --> 02:17:00,545 No. 2457 02:17:00,689 --> 02:17:03,740 Well, I was gone for part of the discussion, 2458 02:17:03,740 --> 02:17:07,830 but I was here for most of it. Let me restate that polling. 2459 02:17:07,830 --> 02:17:09,633 I apologize. It was 2 nos. 2460 02:17:09,633 --> 02:17:11,174 2 nos. 2461 02:17:11,174 --> 02:17:12,539 1 abstained. 2462 02:17:12,539 --> 02:17:20,257 1 abstained. And 1, 2, 3 yeses. Motion still passes. 2463 02:17:20,257 --> 02:17:25,826 Out of your voting members, you have a majority. 2464 02:17:25,826 --> 02:17:27,121 Thank you. 2465 02:17:27,121 --> 02:17:29,597 There you go. 3-1-1. 2466 02:17:29,597 --> 02:17:30,842 Yes. 2467 02:17:30,842 --> 02:17:33,868 Uh, no, 3-2. 2468 02:17:33,868 --> 02:17:35,825 3-2-1. Oh, that's right. 2469 02:17:36,020 --> 02:17:43,606 Who knows? All good, Miss Gooch? 2470 02:17:44,949 --> 02:17:45,399 Okay. 2471 02:17:45,399 --> 02:17:49,499 All good? Okay. All right. Do you understand? Yes. Yes. 2472 02:17:49,499 --> 02:17:53,263 I want to mention, I really appreciate and love the fact that you did the Pledge of 2473 02:17:53,263 --> 02:17:55,439 Allegiance. I actually brought tears to my eyes. 2474 02:17:55,439 --> 02:17:55,919 Thanks very much. 2475 02:17:55,919 --> 02:17:56,659 Thank you. 2476 02:17:56,659 --> 02:17:59,610 All right. Stay in touch with the city. Okay. The goal is compliance. 2477 02:17:59,610 --> 02:18:03,159 Get it cleaned up and good luck with the roof and everything. Thanks for coming in. 2478 02:18:03,179 --> 02:18:03,479 All right. 2479 02:18:03,479 --> 02:18:06,939 Thank you. Yes, sir. Please get after those conversations. 2480 02:18:07,079 --> 02:18:08,539 Yes. Nag, nag, nag. 2481 02:18:08,539 --> 02:18:09,659 That's your second job. 2482 02:18:11,860 --> 02:18:11,972 39. 2483 02:18:12,069 --> 02:18:13,227 Smith and— 2484 02:18:13,227 --> 02:18:14,224 But I'm gonna move mine. 2485 02:18:14,224 --> 02:18:17,763 Hoskins. I believe she seconded. Let me double-check. 2486 02:18:17,763 --> 02:18:19,211 Oh, for the— 2487 02:18:19,211 --> 02:18:21,157 Ms. Hoskins seconded. 2488 02:18:21,157 --> 02:18:22,078 I seconded, yes. 2489 02:18:22,078 --> 02:18:22,337 Okay. 2490 02:18:22,337 --> 02:18:23,646 Are you talking about the motions? 2491 02:18:23,646 --> 02:18:24,762 We said no. 2492 02:18:24,762 --> 02:18:28,561 Oh, I need the nos. It was Mr. Bach and it was Ms. Soffarelli for the nos. 2493 02:18:28,561 --> 02:18:30,441 Okay. Correct. 2494 02:18:30,441 --> 02:18:36,142 Thank you, sir. Okay, I believe— The respondent for the case, um, 2495 02:18:36,142 --> 02:18:42,544 Robin Malley's at Church Creek Point. One, one second, I wanna make sure. 2496 02:18:42,544 --> 02:18:45,351 Are we able to jump to that one? 2497 02:18:45,351 --> 02:18:45,900 No problem. 2498 02:18:45,900 --> 02:18:46,579 Okay, perfect. 2499 02:18:46,579 --> 02:18:49,037 Item number 39 on page 13. 2500 02:18:49,037 --> 02:18:52,647 Yeah, that's correct. Thank you, Ms. Smith. 2501 02:18:52,647 --> 02:18:56,592 So yes, we are gonna jump back to that one, um, 2502 02:18:56,592 --> 02:19:00,454 and that is case number CER-24-00440. Robin J. 2503 02:19:00,454 --> 02:19:05,742 Malley's, um, at 4035 Church Creek Point, Largo, Florida 33774. 2504 02:19:05,742 --> 02:19:11,619 Is, um, all of the board on, on the same page here with that? Perfect. 2505 02:19:11,619 --> 02:19:17,747 And Chief Code Officer Cruz will give you a second to get that pulled up. 2506 02:19:17,747 --> 02:19:22,028 Yeah, we're good to go. Oh, perfect. Okay, awesome. 2507 02:19:22,108 --> 02:19:25,504 Thank you very much, Code Enforcement Board. 2508 02:19:25,504 --> 02:19:30,984 This is Louis Cruz, Chief Code Officer, representing the City of Largo. 2509 02:19:30,984 --> 02:19:36,618 This is Code enforcement case number CER-24-00440. Respondent is Robin J. 2510 02:19:36,618 --> 02:19:37,235 CER-24-00440. Respondent is Robin J. Malaise. 2511 02:19:37,235 --> 02:19:42,097 Property address 4035 Church Creek Point, Largo, Florida 33774. 2512 02:19:42,097 --> 02:19:44,258 The property is homesteaded. 2513 02:19:44,258 --> 02:19:50,510 Property is in violation of code sections 2023 Florida Building Code Section 105, 2514 02:19:50,510 --> 02:19:55,449 building without permits, as adopted by reference in CDC 18.1.1. 2515 02:19:55,449 --> 02:20:01,546 1.1.a, 2023 Florida Building Code Section R322.1, flood-resistant construction, 2516 02:20:01,546 --> 02:20:07,103 adopted by reference, and CDC 18.1.1.a and CDC 11.8.1, permits required. 2517 02:20:07,103 --> 02:20:13,278 Case summary: the initial inspection of the property was done October 2nd, 2024. 2518 02:20:13,278 --> 02:20:19,143 Notice of violation compliance Date, 6/9/2026. Reinspection date, 6/10/2026. 2519 02:20:19,143 --> 02:20:21,767 Reinspection result, noncompliant. 2520 02:20:21,767 --> 02:20:27,479 The notice of violation was sent via certified mail to the listed property 2521 02:20:27,479 --> 02:20:28,173 certified mail to the listed property owner and 2522 02:20:28,173 --> 02:20:30,875 Pinellas County Property Appraiser, 2523 02:20:30,875 --> 02:20:34,965 and the notice of hearing was posted on the property, 2524 02:20:34,965 --> 02:20:37,512 posted in the lobby of City Hall, 2525 02:20:37,512 --> 02:20:43,378 and sent via certified mail to the listed property owner and Pinellas County 2526 02:20:43,378 --> 02:20:45,384 Property Appraiser office. 2527 02:20:45,384 --> 02:20:51,404 This is the notice of hearing that was posted on the property July 15th, 2026, 2528 02:20:51,404 --> 02:20:53,488 at 4035 Church Creek Point. 2529 02:20:53,488 --> 02:20:54,419 There you go. 2530 02:20:54,419 --> 02:20:59,607 And these are pictures from the initial inspection, which was back October 2nd, 2531 02:20:59,607 --> 02:21:05,057 2024, during this unfortunate event that we all had to go through here in the state 2532 02:21:05,057 --> 02:21:07,815 of Florida, at least on our southwest end. 2533 02:21:07,815 --> 02:21:12,805 Um, these are all the debris and, um, items that the property owner had, um, 2534 02:21:12,805 --> 02:21:16,548 between you know, pieces of the interior of the property, 2535 02:21:16,548 --> 02:21:19,634 as well as you can see there, dressers, chairs, 2536 02:21:19,634 --> 02:21:25,019 and unfortunate things such as that nature due to water intrusion of the property. 2537 02:21:25,019 --> 02:21:30,141 And this is just an updated picture when the third-party company that the city 2538 02:21:30,141 --> 02:21:34,474 hired, Tetra Tech, went out to do a re-inspection of the property. 2539 02:21:34,474 --> 02:21:39,465 This is just what it looked like at that time. This was December 19th, 2024. 2540 02:21:39,465 --> 02:21:41,369 And this is just a flood map. 2541 02:21:41,369 --> 02:21:46,294 The flood risk data specific to this property isn't specifically labeled on 2542 02:21:46,294 --> 02:21:46,688 property isn't specifically labeled on there, 2543 02:21:46,688 --> 02:21:52,204 but this is the guesstimation of the depth of flooding when we have occurrences such 2544 02:21:52,204 --> 02:21:57,063 as hurricanes and really hard water storms that it gets about 3 feet plus, 2545 02:21:57,063 --> 02:21:58,836 give or take, in that area. 2546 02:21:58,836 --> 02:22:04,023 This is the notice of not substantially damaged letter that was sent out to the 2547 02:22:04,023 --> 02:22:06,256 property owner on April 9th, 2025. 2548 02:22:06,256 --> 02:22:10,721 And this is the third-party Tetra Tech substantial damage estimator. 2549 02:22:10,721 --> 02:22:13,282 And we'll go through a few slides here. 2550 02:22:13,282 --> 02:22:16,828 It is from Zone AE, which is a flood zone, flood zone, 2551 02:22:16,828 --> 02:22:19,914 and the BFE was the base flood elevation, is 9. 2552 02:22:19,914 --> 02:22:23,920 And as you can see here, this is the total estimated damages. 2553 02:22:23,920 --> 02:22:28,910 Again, this is just a total at the time that was analyzed by the third-party 2554 02:22:28,910 --> 02:22:32,916 company. For the city, and it was deemed to be 21.8% damaged, 2555 02:22:32,916 --> 02:22:35,214 which is not substantially damaged. 2556 02:22:35,214 --> 02:22:40,336 And as you can see, this was written off and signed off by, um, Robert Hatton, 2557 02:22:40,336 --> 02:22:43,291 which is the City of Largo building official. 2558 02:22:43,291 --> 02:22:48,281 And this is the City of Largo permit requirement notice that was sent out to 2559 02:22:48,281 --> 02:22:48,478 requirement notice that was sent out to the 2560 02:22:48,478 --> 02:22:52,681 property owner, August 12th, 2025. And another one, October 7th. 2561 02:22:52,681 --> 02:22:56,293 2025, just letting the property owner know that you do— 2562 02:22:56,293 --> 02:22:59,182 you're not considered substantially damaged, 2563 02:22:59,182 --> 02:23:04,435 and it will be a permit required for the things that are done on the interior of 2564 02:23:04,435 --> 02:23:04,632 things that are done on the interior of the 2565 02:23:04,632 --> 02:23:07,981 home to bring it back to its pre-damaged condition. 2566 02:23:07,981 --> 02:23:12,052 And another one on December 19th, 2025, to the property owner. 2567 02:23:12,052 --> 02:23:15,270 And just going to be a quick correspondence here. 2568 02:23:15,270 --> 02:23:18,224 I have had really good conversations with Ms. 2569 02:23:18,224 --> 02:23:22,887 Malaise, if I'm saying it correctly, hopefully. Um, and, and she's been 2570 02:23:22,887 --> 02:23:23,412 hopefully. Um, and, and she's been awesome. 2571 02:23:23,412 --> 02:23:25,448 Um, she asked for an extension. 2572 02:23:25,448 --> 02:23:29,978 She was going to be here last month, um, but she was busy last month, 2573 02:23:29,978 --> 02:23:33,196 so we gave her an extension. So she's here today. 2574 02:23:33,196 --> 02:23:37,727 She has reached out to our building department, which is Matt Butler. 2575 02:23:37,727 --> 02:23:40,156 She kind of just went over there, um, 2576 02:23:40,156 --> 02:23:44,950 just basically letting us know that that estimator wasn't fully accurate. 2577 02:23:44,950 --> 02:23:50,072 Again, it was just a guesstimation, um, by the third-party company Tetra Tech, 2578 02:23:50,072 --> 02:23:54,143 obviously going by different damages surrounding the property. 2579 02:23:54,143 --> 02:23:59,396 So the work that she had performed on the home didn't even include half of them, 2580 02:23:59,396 --> 02:24:01,300 those items on the estimator. 2581 02:24:01,300 --> 02:24:06,751 And she did highlight the total estimated value of the reinstallation of the things 2582 02:24:06,751 --> 02:24:08,721 in her home were about $4,340. 2583 02:24:08,721 --> 02:24:12,726 There is an attachment there, so you will see a picture here. 2584 02:24:12,726 --> 02:24:16,863 She did highlight the 2 things that she did do in the interior, 2585 02:24:16,863 --> 02:24:20,343 which is the floor finishing, which was about $1,600, 2586 02:24:20,343 --> 02:24:22,510 as well as the interior finishes, 2587 02:24:22,510 --> 02:24:26,910 which could be baseboards and a couple other things of that nature, 2588 02:24:26,910 --> 02:24:28,945 which come out to about $2,700. 2589 02:24:28,945 --> 02:24:34,198 Corrective action: the property owner must obtain all necessary hurricane damage 2590 02:24:34,198 --> 02:24:37,153 repair permits to cover entire scope of work, 2591 02:24:37,153 --> 02:24:41,816 as well as have the final inspection passed by a City of Largo building 2592 02:24:41,816 --> 02:24:42,472 passed by a City of Largo building inspector. 2593 02:24:42,472 --> 02:24:45,558 Staff recommends giving the respondent Robin J. 2594 02:24:45,558 --> 02:24:49,039 Malaise until August 26, 2026, to achieve compliance. 2595 02:24:49,039 --> 02:24:51,009 If compliance is not achieved, 2596 02:24:51,009 --> 02:24:55,802 staff recommends the Code Enforcement Board impose a fine of $250 per day 2597 02:24:55,802 --> 02:24:56,459 Board impose a fine of $250 per day beginning, 2598 02:24:56,459 --> 02:25:01,449 beginning on August 27, 2026, until the property is brought into compliance, 2599 02:25:01,449 --> 02:25:06,505 with the fine not to exceed the just market value established by the Pinellas 2600 02:25:06,505 --> 02:25:06,899 market value established by the Pinellas County 2601 02:25:06,899 --> 02:25:11,413 Property Appraiser of $668,167. 2602 02:25:14,413 --> 02:25:17,298 Okay, 2603 02:25:17,298 --> 02:25:21,913 perfect. 2604 02:25:21,913 --> 02:25:27,106 Thank you 2605 02:25:27,106 --> 02:25:32,876 very much. 2606 02:25:32,876 --> 02:25:39,799 Hello there. 2607 02:25:39,799 --> 02:25:40,200 Hi. 2608 02:25:40,200 --> 02:25:43,006 Please state your full name and your property address. 2609 02:25:43,006 --> 02:25:47,673 My name is Robin J. Melas. Like a calendar year without May would be Melas. 2610 02:25:47,673 --> 02:25:48,395 All right. 2611 02:25:48,395 --> 02:25:52,933 4035 Church Creek Point, Largo, Florida 33774. 2612 02:25:52,933 --> 02:25:55,579 Okay, thanks for coming in today. What would you like to say? 2613 02:25:55,579 --> 02:25:59,418 First, I'd like to say I'm very impressed with the board, 2614 02:25:59,418 --> 02:26:04,537 and I really love this last interaction with the gentleman that was here and 2615 02:26:04,537 --> 02:26:04,941 with the gentleman that was here and you're 2616 02:26:04,941 --> 02:26:08,713 real and you're very passionate and you're very genuine. 2617 02:26:08,713 --> 02:26:13,563 So I'm not saying this for any reason because I've already talked to Mr. 2618 02:26:13,563 --> 02:26:16,527 Cruz that I am at fault. I'm not denying it. 2619 02:26:16,527 --> 02:26:21,780 But I was not expecting something like this. I want to apologize to the board. 2620 02:26:21,780 --> 02:26:27,169 I had to step out. I had a 1:30 time on my little note here and I thought, okay, 2621 02:26:27,169 --> 02:26:30,671 I'd be done by 3. I needed to I had a personal call. 2622 02:26:30,671 --> 02:26:36,060 So I don't want you to think that I think that your time is not valuable. It is. 2623 02:26:36,060 --> 02:26:39,091 But I just wanted to say those couple things. 2624 02:26:39,091 --> 02:26:43,805 I do agree again that I was out of violation only because at the time, 2625 02:26:43,805 --> 02:26:46,365 you can imagine how distraught it was. 2626 02:26:46,365 --> 02:26:46,945 Oh, yeah. 2627 02:26:46,945 --> 02:26:50,136 But the contractors around me were telling me, 2628 02:26:50,136 --> 02:26:52,911 you don't need permits for these things. 2629 02:26:52,911 --> 02:26:57,489 But then I found out recently that it's because of the floodplain. 2630 02:26:57,489 --> 02:27:00,125 I don't go through my mail. I'm sorry. 2631 02:27:00,125 --> 02:27:03,316 Everything I get comes by my bank or by email. 2632 02:27:03,316 --> 02:27:07,824 So, I wasn't intentionally ignoring anything that you sent to me. 2633 02:27:07,824 --> 02:27:10,599 Got my attention for the certified mail. 2634 02:27:10,599 --> 02:27:14,206 Mary Gaj over here was kind enough when I called in. 2635 02:27:14,206 --> 02:27:18,854 So, I would like to ask the board for an extension on that 30 days, 2636 02:27:18,854 --> 02:27:24,126 and this is personal information, that I'm not looking for sympathy or pity, 2637 02:27:24,126 --> 02:27:27,941 but facts. I have some personal health issues going on, 2638 02:27:27,941 --> 02:27:32,103 and I saw my 4th specialist this week, and today's Thursday. 2639 02:27:32,103 --> 02:27:36,612 I have a lot of tests coming up, and I— my priority is my health. 2640 02:27:36,612 --> 02:27:41,259 So I don't— I know for certain I'm not going to make it in 30 days. 2641 02:27:41,259 --> 02:27:42,924 I know that for certain. 2642 02:27:42,924 --> 02:27:48,751 So I'm, I'm asking the board if they could please give me an extension Until I get a 2643 02:27:48,751 --> 02:27:51,109 little bit of medical things done. 2644 02:27:51,109 --> 02:27:54,578 At least give me 90 days and I will be in contact. 2645 02:27:54,578 --> 02:27:59,919 Um, I am not— as I wrote in an email, I've lived in my home 30 years now, 32. 2646 02:27:59,919 --> 02:28:04,289 Very proud Largo homeowner. I am going to do what I need to do. 2647 02:28:04,289 --> 02:28:07,133 I'm just asking for a little bit of time. 2648 02:28:07,133 --> 02:28:09,153 Okay. 2649 02:28:09,153 --> 02:28:10,866 So I'm sorry, but— 2650 02:28:10,866 --> 02:28:12,111 We appreciate that very much. 2651 02:28:12,111 --> 02:28:12,919 It's the truth. 2652 02:28:14,414 --> 02:28:14,512 Yeah. 2653 02:28:15,543 --> 02:28:19,597 And let me just see if I have anything else written here. 2654 02:28:19,597 --> 02:28:23,367 In regard to that, I guess, I guess that would be it. 2655 02:28:23,367 --> 02:28:25,358 It doesn't matter. I'm done. 2656 02:28:25,650 --> 02:28:26,039 Okay. 2657 02:28:26,364 --> 02:28:27,127 Thank you. 2658 02:28:27,127 --> 02:28:31,637 Yep. Thank you very much. Is there anything you'd like to add in closing, Mr. 2659 02:28:31,637 --> 02:28:31,930 anything you'd like to add in closing, Mr. Cruz? 2660 02:28:31,930 --> 02:28:34,677 And obviously, I don't want you to disclose your own personal stuff. 2661 02:28:34,677 --> 02:28:35,768 But for your medical stuff, 2662 02:28:35,768 --> 02:28:38,919 do you like have to go out of like state or out of city or anything like that? 2663 02:28:39,347 --> 02:28:40,664 Um, it depends. 2664 02:28:40,664 --> 02:28:41,965 Okay, so it could be— 2665 02:28:41,965 --> 02:28:47,207 Um, yeah, they're advising me to just try to maintain a non-stressful life to not 2666 02:28:47,207 --> 02:28:52,190 aggravate what I have, which they're not sure what I have, that we're running 2667 02:28:52,190 --> 02:28:52,578 sure what I have, that we're running tests. 2668 02:28:52,578 --> 02:28:53,096 Awesome. 2669 02:28:53,353 --> 02:28:55,512 So, and, and board members, um, as you know, 2670 02:28:55,512 --> 02:28:59,388 we kind of did around 90 for the other ones. This may be a different situation. 2671 02:28:59,388 --> 02:29:02,478 I was just wondering, obviously, because we did around 90 days, 2672 02:29:02,478 --> 02:29:05,667 but if she's kind of going to be at us city and out of the state, 2673 02:29:05,667 --> 02:29:08,366 depending on their health issues, maybe a tad bit more. 2674 02:29:08,366 --> 02:29:11,947 Obviously, that's up to your discretion. But other than that, you've been 2675 02:29:11,947 --> 02:29:12,438 But other than that, you've been fantastic. 2676 02:29:12,438 --> 02:29:14,891 And I do appreciate the honesty and being upfront. 2677 02:29:14,891 --> 02:29:18,865 And you got back to me as soon as you got back in town. And I do appreciate that. 2678 02:29:18,865 --> 02:29:22,135 I have a question, please. Are you living in the home now? 2679 02:29:22,135 --> 02:29:22,504 Yes. 2680 02:29:22,504 --> 02:29:24,219 So it's— it is habitable? 2681 02:29:24,219 --> 02:29:24,716 Yes. 2682 02:29:24,716 --> 02:29:28,467 And there's no exterior damage? It's just about— okay. So the— 2683 02:29:28,467 --> 02:29:33,021 So I would also like to say Um, that I lost my train of thought. 2684 02:29:33,021 --> 02:29:38,216 I would also like to say that I want to get this over with because it is— 2685 02:29:38,216 --> 02:29:41,916 you have a gentleman, Keith, that's a permit person. 2686 02:29:41,916 --> 02:29:47,467 So I spent some time talking to him when he put my last little lovely note up, 2687 02:29:47,467 --> 02:29:52,946 and he explained the process to me as to why we need to get permits for this, 2688 02:29:52,946 --> 02:29:54,370 which I didn't know. 2689 02:29:54,370 --> 02:29:56,220 And he also, um, you know, 2690 02:29:56,220 --> 02:30:01,343 we talked about how this is now opening up a wound that's almost healed. 2691 02:30:01,343 --> 02:30:03,194 So I really, in sincerity, 2692 02:30:03,194 --> 02:30:07,392 I really do want to get this closed on your end and my end. 2693 02:30:07,392 --> 02:30:07,585 Right. 2694 02:30:07,585 --> 02:30:10,992 So it's not like I don't want to do it. I do. 2695 02:30:10,992 --> 02:30:17,049 And then I have another question that I don't know if you can answer this or who 2696 02:30:17,049 --> 02:30:17,276 don't know if you can answer this or who you 2697 02:30:17,276 --> 02:30:21,894 can advise me to go to, but, um, it deals with the 4951 rule. 2698 02:30:21,894 --> 02:30:25,738 A bit outside of our purview here. Okay. 2699 02:30:26,606 --> 02:30:29,998 Because when I saw $667,000, you know, my, 2700 02:30:29,998 --> 02:30:34,359 my now permit amount is $60,000 for my future 5 years. 2701 02:30:34,359 --> 02:30:37,751 And my house is valued more than $120,000. 2702 02:30:38,825 --> 02:30:40,028 So you're less than 50%? 2703 02:30:40,028 --> 02:30:46,020 No, no, no, no. At the time of the event, it was much, much higher. Much higher. 2704 02:30:46,020 --> 02:30:51,938 But it's like now a slash and burn with the value of however the county records 2705 02:30:51,938 --> 02:30:52,237 the value of however the county records does 2706 02:30:52,237 --> 02:30:57,930 it. So it's not dealing with this board, right? That's all I needed to know. 2707 02:30:57,930 --> 02:30:58,904 So I'm gonna— 2708 02:30:58,904 --> 02:31:02,183 You can get a third-party appraiser to come out and give you true market, 2709 02:31:02,183 --> 02:31:05,552 current market value on that if you want to dispute the valuation that they 2710 02:31:05,552 --> 02:31:07,169 determined for you. So you can hire— 2711 02:31:07,169 --> 02:31:08,097 It's nowhere near this number. 2712 02:31:08,097 --> 02:31:09,640 Sure. Yeah. 2713 02:31:09,640 --> 02:31:11,986 I mean, it's not even a fifth of that. 2714 02:31:11,986 --> 02:31:12,436 Okay. 2715 02:31:14,122 --> 02:31:14,283 Okay. 2716 02:31:14,588 --> 02:31:17,247 Yeah, you can, you can look at that outside, a third party, 2717 02:31:17,247 --> 02:31:19,815 if you want to dispute that, that figure. Ms. Caffarelli. 2718 02:31:19,815 --> 02:31:21,785 I got 2 questions. Number one, 2719 02:31:21,785 --> 02:31:25,922 the real estate value has gone down like crazy since the storm. 2720 02:31:25,922 --> 02:31:28,155 So don't even go by those numbers. 2721 02:31:28,155 --> 02:31:32,226 Can you go to the page that showed me what Hatton wanted done? 2722 02:31:32,226 --> 02:31:36,578 It wasn't quite what he wanted done, but it was the things that— 2723 02:31:36,578 --> 02:31:37,445 What he thought. 2724 02:31:37,445 --> 02:31:37,670 Yes. 2725 02:31:37,670 --> 02:31:38,922 Just go to that page for me. 2726 02:31:38,922 --> 02:31:40,094 Thank you. 2727 02:31:40,094 --> 02:31:42,053 And we can stay on that one. 2728 02:31:42,198 --> 02:31:48,574 Okay. So you didn't replace the cabinets and the counters and stuff like that? 2729 02:31:48,574 --> 02:31:48,863 No. 2730 02:31:48,863 --> 02:31:54,010 You just replaced the floor finish, which we could do at any time. 2731 02:31:54,010 --> 02:31:58,532 And I realize it's because it's a flood that you check it. 2732 02:31:58,532 --> 02:32:03,835 And the interior finish, what is recommended? What is meant by that? 2733 02:32:03,835 --> 02:32:06,518 It could be painting, baseboards. 2734 02:32:06,518 --> 02:32:08,395 And that's what you did. 2735 02:32:08,395 --> 02:32:14,495 So we're going to have her go in and get a permit for painting And refinishing 2736 02:32:14,495 --> 02:32:19,031 her floors, her existing floors. Is that really necessary? 2737 02:32:19,031 --> 02:32:19,514 Correct. 2738 02:32:19,562 --> 02:32:21,575 That's part of the FEMA 50% requirement. 2739 02:32:21,623 --> 02:32:21,945 Yeah, right. 2740 02:32:22,026 --> 02:32:24,915 Because they have to do an evaluation because, you know, 2741 02:32:24,915 --> 02:32:28,938 she wants to do a remodel a year from now and that exceeds with these repairs, 2742 02:32:28,938 --> 02:32:31,517 then she has to now meet the current requirements. 2743 02:32:31,517 --> 02:32:36,523 She's living in it. I see nothing wrong with even giving her 4 2744 02:32:36,523 --> 02:32:38,945 months. What's the difference? 2745 02:32:38,945 --> 02:32:41,771 Like I said, it's paint and finish. 2746 02:32:41,771 --> 02:32:44,345 Sure. 2747 02:32:44,345 --> 02:32:49,881 But what about the flood-resistant construction? What does that entail? 2748 02:32:49,881 --> 02:32:54,506 So that just entails basically like anything that's being constructed in a 2749 02:32:54,506 --> 02:32:54,819 anything that's being constructed in a flood 2750 02:32:54,819 --> 02:32:59,131 zone has to get the approvals by the building official as well as the 2751 02:32:59,131 --> 02:32:59,756 building official as well as the floodplain 2752 02:32:59,756 --> 02:33:01,569 manager. It says or, I think. 2753 02:33:01,569 --> 02:33:02,411 They changed it all. 2754 02:33:02,912 --> 02:33:03,104 Right. 2755 02:33:03,104 --> 02:33:05,542 The past couple years and they'll change it again tomorrow. 2756 02:33:05,542 --> 02:33:05,782 Right. 2757 02:33:05,782 --> 02:33:09,375 So we're talking about the baseboard issues? 2758 02:33:09,375 --> 02:33:12,160 Yep. It's a very simple part of the permit. 2759 02:33:12,160 --> 02:33:17,082 It's something that Matt will work with her. He is the specific contact, Mr. 2760 02:33:17,082 --> 02:33:22,392 Butler, who I think she has answered back a couple times now and kind of asked him 2761 02:33:22,392 --> 02:33:27,120 on guidance on what is needed to upload. It's very simple, very easy FEMA 2762 02:33:27,120 --> 02:33:27,767 It's very simple, very easy FEMA worksheet. 2763 02:33:27,767 --> 02:33:30,423 So like this number is just the estimate. 2764 02:33:30,423 --> 02:33:35,604 This is not the number until we approve of whatever is submitted in that permit. 2765 02:33:35,604 --> 02:33:37,547 That'll be part of the number. 2766 02:33:37,547 --> 02:33:39,166 This is just an estimate, 2767 02:33:39,166 --> 02:33:43,764 just in case other people around them had same similar type of damages. 2768 02:33:43,764 --> 02:33:45,318 That's not set in stone. 2769 02:33:45,318 --> 02:33:51,526 What's aggravating me is there is so many new components come out now that can block 2770 02:33:51,526 --> 02:33:53,891 water from coming in your house. 2771 02:33:53,891 --> 02:33:58,843 like they did around the hospital in Tampa, that with this new law, 2772 02:33:58,843 --> 02:34:01,208 they're screwing over everybody. 2773 02:34:01,208 --> 02:34:03,566 That's FEMA. 2774 02:34:03,566 --> 02:34:07,721 One other thing, I didn't notice a waterline picture in your presentation. 2775 02:34:07,721 --> 02:34:10,191 We've had that with all the other FEMA ones. 2776 02:34:10,191 --> 02:34:13,098 Yeah, obviously it was hard to get a picture at the time. 2777 02:34:13,098 --> 02:34:16,923 There was a lot of stuff on this street when Chase and them went out there, 2778 02:34:16,923 --> 02:34:18,862 but this is obviously from their home. 2779 02:34:18,862 --> 02:34:22,942 It's hard to get a picture of that because that whole street was pretty lined up 2780 02:34:22,942 --> 02:34:24,676 with, with a good amount of items. 2781 02:34:24,676 --> 02:34:25,141 Right. 2782 02:34:25,141 --> 02:34:28,461 And it took a while to get all that picked up as well. 2783 02:34:28,461 --> 02:34:29,761 They just wanted to get rid of. 2784 02:34:29,761 --> 02:34:30,162 Yes. 2785 02:34:30,162 --> 02:34:30,579 Yeah. 2786 02:34:30,579 --> 02:34:32,102 Do you know what the— 2787 02:34:32,664 --> 02:34:36,369 you can ask the property owner if what the flooding— Yeah. 2788 02:34:36,433 --> 02:34:39,545 Yes. What, what approximate flood line? 2789 02:34:39,914 --> 02:34:40,844 How much water? 2790 02:34:41,181 --> 02:34:46,250 How deep was your intrusion of water into the home? About 7 inches? 2791 02:34:46,250 --> 02:34:49,089 Outside was higher, but I had barriers and things up. 2792 02:34:49,428 --> 02:34:51,554 So that 7 inches, that would be safe, 2793 02:34:51,554 --> 02:34:55,979 then it wouldn't have covered electrical outlets, things like that. So that's 2794 02:34:55,979 --> 02:34:56,324 outlets, things like that. So that's right. 2795 02:34:56,324 --> 02:34:56,611 Good. 2796 02:34:56,870 --> 02:35:01,531 And I do want to say in my defense, that picture of all those things are not mine. 2797 02:35:02,191 --> 02:35:02,546 They're not all— 2798 02:35:02,546 --> 02:35:03,705 it's not all of mine. 2799 02:35:03,818 --> 02:35:04,173 Sure. 2800 02:35:04,446 --> 02:35:09,540 And that picture of that truck is a friend of mine that was visiting. 2801 02:35:09,540 --> 02:35:15,668 But there were some pretty horrific things going on at that time with people coming 2802 02:35:15,668 --> 02:35:17,366 up and down the street. 2803 02:35:17,366 --> 02:35:17,700 Oh, yeah. 2804 02:35:17,700 --> 02:35:19,647 My neighbor's house got broken into. 2805 02:35:19,647 --> 02:35:22,621 I mean, we didn't have much, and what we had, you took. 2806 02:35:22,621 --> 02:35:25,919 Yeah, you know, and it was a pretty bad time. So the picture— 2807 02:35:26,482 --> 02:35:29,165 yeah, we understand. We all, we all live here. We all lived through it as well. 2808 02:35:29,213 --> 02:35:33,673 Yeah, and we had a lot of your neighbors in here last month as well. Yeah. 2809 02:35:33,673 --> 02:35:35,715 Okay, I'm gonna close the public portion, um, 2810 02:35:35,715 --> 02:35:38,211 and if there's no other questions from the board— sure. 2811 02:35:38,211 --> 02:35:41,968 Um, I'm wondering, how long do you think you need to pull the permit? 2812 02:35:41,968 --> 02:35:44,690 Because everything's done to pull the permit? Yes. 2813 02:35:44,690 --> 02:35:48,338 How much, how much time do you think you need to get all this done? 2814 02:35:48,338 --> 02:35:51,441 Well, I would, I would feel comfortable if I could get 4, 2815 02:35:51,441 --> 02:35:55,470 and then I'd get it done sooner. But I would feel pressured if you said 2. 2816 02:35:55,470 --> 02:35:57,890 Okay. Are you talking about 4 months? 2817 02:35:57,890 --> 02:35:59,110 She originally said 90 days, but— 2818 02:35:59,110 --> 02:36:01,773 I have other things going on with appointments, 2819 02:36:01,773 --> 02:36:03,870 and this is a stressful thing that I— 2820 02:36:03,870 --> 02:36:04,750 Yes, I'm agreeable. 2821 02:36:04,750 --> 02:36:08,356 I'm, I'm gonna say I'll be paying violations if you give me any less because 2822 02:36:08,356 --> 02:36:08,451 violations if you give me any less because my 2823 02:36:08,451 --> 02:36:09,210 health is first. 2824 02:36:09,210 --> 02:36:09,850 So you're— 2825 02:36:09,850 --> 02:36:11,280 okay, so tell me again. 2826 02:36:11,280 --> 02:36:11,710 4 months. 2827 02:36:11,710 --> 02:36:12,310 4 months? 2828 02:36:12,900 --> 02:36:13,836 All right, I'll make the motion. 2829 02:36:13,836 --> 02:36:15,189 Okay. 2830 02:36:15,189 --> 02:36:15,464 Thank you. 2831 02:36:15,464 --> 02:36:19,621 I move in case number CER 24-00440 to 2832 02:36:19,621 --> 02:36:23,777 find the respondent, Robin J. Malice. 2833 02:36:23,777 --> 02:36:24,391 Yeah. 2834 02:36:24,391 --> 02:36:31,405 In violation of the City of Largo Code Sections 2023 Florida Building Code 2835 02:36:31,405 --> 02:36:38,704 Section 105, building without permits, as adopted by reference in CDC 18.1.A, 2836 02:36:38,704 --> 02:36:43,159 2023 Florida Building Code Section R322.1, Yes. 2837 02:36:43,159 --> 02:36:50,363 Flood-resistant construction adopted by reference in CDC 18.1.1.a and CDC 8— 2838 02:36:50,363 --> 02:36:57,378 excuse me, CDC 11.8.1 for the property located at 4035 Church Creek Point, 2839 02:36:57,378 --> 02:36:59,368 Largo, Florida 33774, 2840 02:36:59,368 --> 02:37:05,909 and to assess a fine of $100 per day beginning on December 1st, 2026, 2841 02:37:05,909 --> 02:37:08,658 until compliance is achieved, 2842 02:37:08,658 --> 02:37:16,146 with the fine not exceeding the just market value currently posted at $668,167, 2843 02:37:16,146 --> 02:37:23,160 and to order the respondent to contact the Community Standards Division to 2844 02:37:23,160 --> 02:37:30,080 arrange for a re-inspection of the property to verify compliance with the 2845 02:37:30,080 --> 02:37:31,407 board's order. 2846 02:37:31,407 --> 02:37:32,008 Second. 2847 02:37:32,008 --> 02:37:36,705 Okay, I've got a motion by Ms. Smith, a second by Mr. Bock. All in favor say aye. 2848 02:37:36,705 --> 02:37:37,078 Aye. 2849 02:37:37,760 --> 02:37:41,240 Any opposed? Okay, motion passes. 2850 02:37:41,240 --> 02:37:42,640 Thank you all very much. 2851 02:37:42,640 --> 02:37:43,690 Thank you for coming. 2852 02:37:43,690 --> 02:37:45,280 Will I be getting something in the mail? 2853 02:37:45,280 --> 02:37:45,730 Yes. 2854 02:37:45,730 --> 02:37:47,210 So I know to look in my mail? 2855 02:37:47,210 --> 02:37:47,710 Yes. 2856 02:37:47,710 --> 02:37:48,410 Oh yeah. 2857 02:37:48,410 --> 02:37:50,210 Okay. And stay in touch. Stay in touch. 2858 02:37:50,210 --> 02:37:54,560 Stay in touch with the building. And again, for the board, Mr. Cruz and Ms. 2859 02:37:54,560 --> 02:37:57,750 Gouge, and, um, before you leave, thank you. Very kind. 2860 02:37:57,750 --> 02:37:59,350 And you all, I'm grateful. 2861 02:37:59,350 --> 02:37:59,610 Thank you. 2862 02:37:59,610 --> 02:38:00,890 Thank you very much. Thanks for coming. 2863 02:38:00,890 --> 02:38:01,730 We appreciate it. 2864 02:38:01,730 --> 02:38:01,910 We— 2865 02:38:01,910 --> 02:38:05,476 and we're— we love our Florida, our Largo residents. 2866 02:38:05,476 --> 02:38:06,086 You love your job. 2867 02:38:06,086 --> 02:38:09,490 It's a volunteer position. 2868 02:38:09,490 --> 02:38:11,176 26, page 10. 2869 02:38:11,176 --> 02:38:12,862 Okay, what do we do now? Which one? 2870 02:38:12,862 --> 02:38:13,360 30. 2871 02:38:13,360 --> 02:38:16,908 26 on page 10. We've been there, done that. 2872 02:38:16,908 --> 02:38:18,080 30. 2873 02:38:18,080 --> 02:38:18,610 30. 2874 02:38:18,610 --> 02:38:19,782 33 on 11. 2875 02:38:19,782 --> 02:38:20,489 11. 2876 02:38:20,489 --> 02:38:22,512 33 on 11. 2877 02:38:22,512 --> 02:38:23,058 11. 2878 02:38:23,058 --> 02:38:28,630 All right, we are moving on to agenda item number 33 on page 11 of the agenda. 2879 02:38:29,540 --> 02:38:29,752 33? 2880 02:38:29,752 --> 02:38:30,959 I believe so. 2881 02:38:32,183 --> 02:38:32,297 Yes? 2882 02:38:32,297 --> 02:38:32,787 Yes. 2883 02:38:32,787 --> 02:38:40,178 Agenda item number 33, that is case number CER-26-00319. Jeremy— 2884 02:38:40,178 --> 02:38:41,876 Hotelling. 2885 02:38:41,876 --> 02:38:47,696 Thank you so much. Hotelling and Jennifer Hotelling at 12817 129th 2886 02:38:47,696 --> 02:38:55,034 Avenue North, Largo, Florida 33774. This is Code Officer Rivera. 2887 02:38:58,034 --> 02:39:04,211 Good afternoon, Court Officer Rivera representing the City of Largo. 2888 02:39:04,211 --> 02:39:07,209 This is case number CER-26-00319. 2889 02:39:07,209 --> 02:39:13,022 Uh, the respondents are Jennifer Hotelling and Jeremy Hotelling, 2890 02:39:13,022 --> 02:39:19,744 address at 12817 129th Avenue, Largo, Florida 33774. This is a homesteaded 2891 02:39:19,744 --> 02:39:20,562 Florida 33774. This is a homesteaded property. 2892 02:39:20,562 --> 02:39:20,659 Yes. 2893 02:39:21,423 --> 02:39:26,706 Uh, violation is 2023 Florida Building Code Section 105, 2894 02:39:26,706 --> 02:39:32,933 building without permits, as adopted by reference in CDC 18.1.1.A. 2895 02:39:32,933 --> 02:39:38,311 Initial inspection of the property took place on 4/21/26. 2896 02:39:38,311 --> 02:39:41,896 Notice of violation was dated 4/22/26. 2897 02:39:41,896 --> 02:39:46,802 The notice of violation compliance date was 5/12/26. 2898 02:39:46,802 --> 02:39:47,081 Yes. 2899 02:39:47,968 --> 02:39:53,052 A reinspection date was on 5/14/26. Reinspection result, non-compliant. 2900 02:39:53,052 --> 02:39:58,351 The notice of violation was sent via certified mail to the listed property 2901 02:39:58,351 --> 02:39:58,995 certified mail to the listed property owner and 2902 02:39:58,995 --> 02:40:02,217 property— Pinellas County Property Appraiser. 2903 02:40:02,217 --> 02:40:06,012 And the notice of hearing was posted on the property, 2904 02:40:06,012 --> 02:40:08,375 posted in the lobby of City Hall, 2905 02:40:08,375 --> 02:40:13,817 and sent via certified mail to the listed property owner and Pinellas County 2906 02:40:13,817 --> 02:40:19,689 Property Appraiser. Here's a photo of the notice of hearing posted on the property 2907 02:40:19,689 --> 02:40:25,274 on 7/15/2026. This is a picture of the unpermitted paver work that was done in 2908 02:40:25,274 --> 02:40:25,489 unpermitted paver work that was done in the 2909 02:40:25,489 --> 02:40:29,571 backyard. The picture was taken from the neighbor's yard. 2910 02:40:29,571 --> 02:40:35,156 Corrective action: obtain all necessary permits to cover entire scope of work. 2911 02:40:35,156 --> 02:40:40,454 The staff recommends giving the respondents, Jennifer Huddling— I'm sorry, 2912 02:40:40,454 --> 02:40:42,173 how do you say it again? 2913 02:40:42,173 --> 02:40:42,577 Hotel. 2914 02:40:42,577 --> 02:40:45,450 Hotel with an -ing on the Got it. 2915 02:40:45,450 --> 02:40:50,070 Thank you. Jennifer Hotelling and Jeremy Hotelling, until August 31st, 2026, 2916 02:40:50,070 --> 02:40:51,408 to achieve compliance. 2917 02:40:51,408 --> 02:40:53,232 If compliance is not achieved, 2918 02:40:53,232 --> 02:40:57,670 staff recommends the Code Enforcement Board impose a fine of $250 per day 2919 02:40:57,670 --> 02:40:58,217 Board impose a fine of $250 per day beginning 2920 02:40:58,217 --> 02:41:02,473 on September 1st, 2026, until the property is brought into compliance, 2921 02:41:02,473 --> 02:41:06,911 with the fine not to exceed the just market value established by Pinellas 2922 02:41:06,911 --> 02:41:07,275 market value established by Pinellas County 2923 02:41:07,275 --> 02:41:09,160 Property Appraiser of $313,105. 2924 02:41:09,160 --> 02:41:09,180 Second. 2925 02:41:11,219 --> 02:41:15,349 I have been in communication with both the gentleman and the lady, 2926 02:41:15,349 --> 02:41:19,979 and I know that they've run into some issues with the permit as far as the 2927 02:41:19,979 --> 02:41:23,984 contractor is concerned, and the permit is pending review still. 2928 02:41:23,984 --> 02:41:25,959 So it's been applied for? 2929 02:41:25,959 --> 02:41:27,315 Yes, it's been applied. 2930 02:41:27,315 --> 02:41:32,032 It's, it's been applied for quite a— I think it's been at least a month or more. 2931 02:41:32,032 --> 02:41:32,975 And, uh, I just— 2932 02:41:32,975 --> 02:41:35,400 I believe I spoke with, uh, Jose. 2933 02:41:35,850 --> 02:41:38,031 Yeah, one second. I'm just trying to get the information here. 2934 02:41:38,031 --> 02:41:39,618 Does it need to be finalized? 2935 02:41:39,618 --> 02:41:41,591 No, just issued. 2936 02:41:41,912 --> 02:41:43,034 Just issued. 2937 02:41:43,259 --> 02:41:43,611 That's correct. 2938 02:41:43,611 --> 02:41:44,461 Thank you. Okay. 2939 02:41:44,461 --> 02:41:46,685 All right. Thank you very much. Hello there. 2940 02:41:46,685 --> 02:41:49,112 Please state your first, last name, and address. 2941 02:41:49,112 --> 02:41:51,245 My name's Jeremy Hotelling. 2942 02:41:51,678 --> 02:41:55,810 I live at 12817 129th Avenue, Largo, Florida 33774. 2943 02:41:55,810 --> 02:42:00,024 Just to piggyback on what Ruben was saying, I spoke— 2944 02:42:00,024 --> 02:42:05,777 the owner of JFS Pavers who did the work in our backyard was out today. 2945 02:42:05,777 --> 02:42:11,854 He said he had received notice from the Building and Permitting Division in 2946 02:42:11,854 --> 02:42:12,421 Building and Permitting Division in regards 2947 02:42:12,421 --> 02:42:18,661 of what needed to be done regarding further action. He knows what needs to be 2948 02:42:18,661 --> 02:42:19,066 further action. He knows what needs to be done. 2949 02:42:19,066 --> 02:42:25,791 He brought out all of his measuring tapes. He had one of his crew members with him. 2950 02:42:25,791 --> 02:42:28,951 I was just going to ask for maybe a Uh, 2951 02:42:28,951 --> 02:42:34,461 maybe an extra 60 days extension as opposed to 30, just because, uh, 2952 02:42:34,461 --> 02:42:40,052 from what he told me, it's going to be kind of a hefty project to do. 2953 02:42:40,052 --> 02:42:46,859 They have to pull up 5 feet of pavers and cement around our entire backyard property 2954 02:42:46,859 --> 02:42:47,264 line. 2955 02:42:48,244 --> 02:42:51,523 Um, and he said he's just shorthanded on workers right now, 2956 02:42:51,523 --> 02:42:53,857 and he's subcontracting a lot of his work. 2957 02:42:53,857 --> 02:42:54,001 Okay. 2958 02:42:55,187 --> 02:43:00,589 He's going to do it. He just, he just didn't have an exact timeframe. 2959 02:43:00,589 --> 02:43:08,252 Okay, so he encroached on the setbacks and poured, so now he's got to rip it up. 2960 02:43:08,252 --> 02:43:11,730 I'm guessing he didn't— I'm guessing he didn't do the work to begin with. 2961 02:43:11,730 --> 02:43:13,253 He did not do the work to begin with. 2962 02:43:13,253 --> 02:43:14,426 No, he does good work. 2963 02:43:14,426 --> 02:43:17,891 He, he had been out, you know, initially to look at our property. 2964 02:43:17,891 --> 02:43:21,462 But after that, we mostly dealt with the sales rep for the company. 2965 02:43:21,462 --> 02:43:22,040 Yeah. 2966 02:43:22,040 --> 02:43:26,121 Um, who had given us our quotes, told us what kind of work would be done, 2967 02:43:26,121 --> 02:43:29,699 where it would be done, had told us the permits would be pulled. 2968 02:43:29,827 --> 02:43:32,459 And, you know, they were a reputable company, um, 2969 02:43:32,459 --> 02:43:34,339 from everything we had looked into— 2970 02:43:34,500 --> 02:43:38,961 Better Business Bureau, they had a great Google review, lots of customer reviews, 2971 02:43:38,961 --> 02:43:40,007 uh, with no issues. 2972 02:43:40,987 --> 02:43:43,652 Um, you know, all this work was done 5 years ago. 2973 02:43:43,813 --> 02:43:45,406 We had not had any issues. 2974 02:43:45,406 --> 02:43:50,183 Um, And, um, so this just kind of came about— it came about very abruptly, uh, 2975 02:43:50,183 --> 02:43:54,042 in April. Um, I, I believe that was the date we got the notice, 2976 02:43:54,042 --> 02:43:56,921 but I immediately started getting into contact. 2977 02:43:56,921 --> 02:43:59,677 My wife got in contact with, with Mr. Rivera. 2978 02:44:00,304 --> 02:44:03,698 Uh, I got in contact with the owner of JFS Pavers, um, 2979 02:44:03,698 --> 02:44:07,091 and we just started trying to work towards a solution. 2980 02:44:07,704 --> 02:44:11,217 Um, he was, um, a little miffed that, um, 2981 02:44:11,217 --> 02:44:15,588 his guys that were out there doing the work had not 2982 02:44:15,588 --> 02:44:17,130 pulled the permit. 2983 02:44:17,467 --> 02:44:21,573 And so he went through, he did said he did that recently, he paid for the permit. 2984 02:44:21,653 --> 02:44:24,813 He said he paid for that. He, I guess, like a retroactive permit. 2985 02:44:25,727 --> 02:44:27,027 He said he had applied for that. 2986 02:44:27,267 --> 02:44:28,650 And then just this morning, 2987 02:44:28,650 --> 02:44:32,542 he told me he had heard from them regarding what further action needed to be 2988 02:44:32,542 --> 02:44:32,849 regarding what further action needed to be taken. 2989 02:44:32,849 --> 02:44:35,865 So he's licensed in this, in Largo? 2990 02:44:35,865 --> 02:44:37,004 JFS? 2991 02:44:37,437 --> 02:44:37,597 Yes. 2992 02:44:37,998 --> 02:44:40,837 JFS is licensed in Largo. Yeah, that's the Largo paper. 2993 02:44:41,570 --> 02:44:42,170 work. 2994 02:44:42,170 --> 02:44:43,960 They would have kept— everything sounds good. 2995 02:44:44,150 --> 02:44:45,070 Yeah, he should— 2996 02:44:45,070 --> 02:44:45,750 I can't— 2997 02:44:45,750 --> 02:44:49,810 all right, polling the board, I'm agreeable to 90 days. Anybody else object? 2998 02:44:49,810 --> 02:44:53,793 Yeah, no, definitely. That's, that's great. I just have one more. 2999 02:44:53,793 --> 02:44:57,531 We're not, we're not finished yet. You can ask your question. 3000 02:44:57,531 --> 02:44:59,737 Um, this is actually for Mr. Rivera. 3001 02:44:59,737 --> 02:45:01,637 Um, the picture you put up, um, 3002 02:45:01,637 --> 02:45:06,049 you took that from our neighbor's yard in his like little gazebo, right? 3003 02:45:06,049 --> 02:45:10,584 Yes, on the deck. So, so that, that gazebo, as far as my understanding is, 3004 02:45:10,584 --> 02:45:15,670 that is supposed to be 5 feet away from my fence line as well, just like my pavers. 3005 02:45:15,670 --> 02:45:17,940 We just want to know for future. 3006 02:45:18,750 --> 02:45:20,800 She has not identified herself. 3007 02:45:20,800 --> 02:45:24,110 Yeah, I just want to— yeah, I just want to be clear on that. 3008 02:45:24,110 --> 02:45:27,830 It was permitted, but I wasn't sure of the distance. 3009 02:45:27,830 --> 02:45:28,985 So there is a process for this. 3010 02:45:28,985 --> 02:45:32,078 You guys can have a sidebar conversation after we're done with the hearing for sure 3011 02:45:32,078 --> 02:45:33,270 if you want. I was just curious. 3012 02:45:33,270 --> 02:45:33,650 No, I get it. 3013 02:45:33,650 --> 02:45:36,042 Off his picture. Yep, no, I get it. 3014 02:45:36,042 --> 02:45:40,826 Um, there is a formal process as well if you do want file a complaint. 3015 02:45:40,826 --> 02:45:45,747 It's an online process if you feel like you want to retaliate to— sorry, 3016 02:45:45,747 --> 02:45:48,071 the board attorney didn't like it. 3017 02:45:48,071 --> 02:45:53,060 I mean, yeah, I hate that it's come to this, but it's, you know, they've— 3018 02:45:53,303 --> 02:45:56,115 our neighbors have made a mountain out of a molehill in this situation. 3019 02:45:56,292 --> 02:45:59,077 And so it is, um, it's also a lot of us— 3020 02:45:59,077 --> 02:46:00,756 just so we understand, 3021 02:46:00,756 --> 02:46:04,952 the lago having a runoff might have easements so as the 3022 02:46:04,952 --> 02:46:08,080 water cannot lay around Sure. And it can— 3023 02:46:08,080 --> 02:46:10,290 permeable surface issue. That's why we have to have permits. 3024 02:46:11,080 --> 02:46:11,320 Yeah. 3025 02:46:11,320 --> 02:46:12,040 No, I get it. 3026 02:46:12,040 --> 02:46:13,120 We thought there was. 3027 02:46:13,120 --> 02:46:13,820 I see no— 3028 02:46:13,820 --> 02:46:17,980 Excuse me, ma'am, you have not, uh, introduced or identified yourself. 3029 02:46:17,980 --> 02:46:20,284 Sorry, I'm Jennifer Hotelling. 3030 02:46:20,284 --> 02:46:25,660 I also live at the same address, 12817 129th Avenue, Largo. Thank you. 3031 02:46:25,660 --> 02:46:26,060 Thank you. 3032 02:46:26,060 --> 02:46:26,500 Thank you very much. 3033 02:46:26,500 --> 02:46:28,320 Just to get you on record. Thank you. 3034 02:46:28,320 --> 02:46:30,263 Okay, so I'm going to close the public portion. 3035 02:46:30,263 --> 02:46:32,081 I don't think there's any more conversation. 3036 02:46:32,081 --> 02:46:33,900 I'm just looking for a motion at this point. 3037 02:46:33,910 --> 02:46:34,632 I'll make the motion. 3038 02:46:34,632 --> 02:46:35,001 Thank you. 3039 02:46:35,001 --> 02:46:42,441 I move in case number CER 26-00319 to find the respondents Jennifer Hotelling and 3040 02:46:42,441 --> 02:46:49,881 Jeremy Hotelling in violation of the City of Largo Comprehensive Development Code 3041 02:46:49,881 --> 02:46:57,045 2023 FBC Section 105 adopted in CDC 18.1.1.A for the property located at 12817 3042 02:46:57,045 --> 02:46:57,504 18.1.1.A for the property located at 12817 129th 3043 02:46:57,504 --> 02:47:00,168 Avenue, Largo, Florida 33774. 3044 02:47:00,168 --> 02:47:06,505 And to assess a fine of $150 per day beginning on November 1st, 2026, 3045 02:47:06,505 --> 02:47:09,169 until compliance is achieved, 3046 02:47:09,169 --> 02:47:14,863 with the fine not exceeding the just market value of $313,105, 3047 02:47:14,863 --> 02:47:22,395 and to order the respondent to contact the Community Standards Division to arrange 3048 02:47:22,395 --> 02:47:29,743 for a reinspection of the property to verify compliance with this board's order. 3049 02:47:29,743 --> 02:47:30,658 Just a quick correction. 3050 02:47:30,658 --> 02:47:30,914 Thank you. 3051 02:47:30,914 --> 02:47:31,444 Real quick. 3052 02:47:31,444 --> 02:47:33,465 Quick correction. November 1st is a Sunday. 3053 02:47:33,465 --> 02:47:34,556 Oh, excuse me. 3054 02:47:34,556 --> 02:47:35,470 November 2nd. 3055 02:47:35,470 --> 02:47:37,456 Thank you. November 2nd. 3056 02:47:37,456 --> 02:47:39,607 I will amend to give them— 3057 02:47:39,607 --> 02:47:43,992 for the fine to begin to be assessed on November 2nd, 3058 02:47:43,992 --> 02:47:44,406 2020. 3059 02:47:44,406 --> 02:47:45,401 Second the amendment. 3060 02:47:45,401 --> 02:47:49,730 So compliance date is November 2nd. Fines would start November 3rd. 3061 02:47:49,730 --> 02:47:52,443 Is that what I'm understanding, Ms. Smith? 3062 02:47:52,443 --> 02:47:54,750 Excuse me. Let me look at the calendar. 3063 02:47:57,750 --> 02:47:58,250 Yes. 3064 02:47:58,250 --> 02:47:59,670 I believe that's what you stated. 3065 02:47:59,670 --> 02:48:00,410 Yeah. 3066 02:48:00,410 --> 02:48:00,490 Yeah. 3067 02:48:00,490 --> 02:48:01,390 Perfect. 3068 02:48:01,390 --> 02:48:02,050 Correct. Perfect. 3069 02:48:02,050 --> 02:48:02,170 Okay. 3070 02:48:02,170 --> 02:48:02,690 Okay. Thank you. 3071 02:48:02,690 --> 02:48:05,950 That is an amended motion. Do we have a second on that? 3072 02:48:05,950 --> 02:48:06,170 Second. 3073 02:48:06,170 --> 02:48:10,535 Okay, perfect. Thank you so much. I've got a motion by Ms. Smith, a second by Mr. 3074 02:48:10,535 --> 02:48:11,990 Bach. All in favor say aye. 3075 02:48:11,990 --> 02:48:12,830 Aye. 3076 02:48:12,830 --> 02:48:16,290 Aye. Aye. Any opposed? Okay, the motion passes. 3077 02:48:16,290 --> 02:48:16,710 Thank you. 3078 02:48:16,710 --> 02:48:18,950 Thank you for your time today. I appreciate you guys. 3079 02:48:18,950 --> 02:48:19,090 Appreciate it. 3080 02:48:19,090 --> 02:48:19,750 Thanks for coming in. 3081 02:48:19,750 --> 02:48:20,070 Thank you. 3082 02:48:20,070 --> 02:48:20,470 Thank you. 3083 02:48:20,773 --> 02:48:25,025 So just real quick, code board, that was November 3rd for fines to start. 3084 02:48:25,025 --> 02:48:30,547 Yes, apply by the 2nd and get an order by mail. 3085 02:48:30,547 --> 02:48:32,025 Yeah, thank you. 3086 02:48:32,025 --> 02:48:32,684 Yep. 3087 02:48:32,684 --> 02:48:38,564 Okay, I think we have one more, um, one more. 3088 02:48:38,564 --> 02:48:41,858 Yes, and that would be item 13. 3089 02:48:41,858 --> 02:48:44,079 All right, yes, very good. 3090 02:48:44,079 --> 02:48:47,666 We are moving on to agenda item number 13. 3091 02:48:47,666 --> 02:48:52,961 Do I have more people signed in than I have on my record here? 3092 02:48:52,961 --> 02:48:53,363 Perhaps. 3093 02:48:53,363 --> 02:48:59,619 Okay, currently we're moving on to agenda item number 13, 3094 02:48:59,619 --> 02:49:03,241 case number CER-25-01092, John P. 3095 02:49:03,241 --> 02:49:09,497 Sloss at 1014 2nd Street Southwest, Largo, Florida 33770. 3096 02:49:09,497 --> 02:49:17,289 We have Chief Code Officer Cruz. And this is a— is this a second order? 3097 02:49:17,289 --> 02:49:18,801 Yes, this is a second order. 3098 02:49:18,882 --> 02:49:19,207 Yes, sir. 3099 02:49:20,118 --> 02:49:21,451 And I'm pulling it up right there. 3100 02:49:21,451 --> 02:49:26,314 Jesus 3101 02:49:26,314 --> 02:49:33,122 Christ. 3102 02:49:33,122 --> 02:49:36,973 Okay, we have a, um— I see the affidavit of non-compliance, um, here. 3103 02:49:36,973 --> 02:49:40,265 Is there anything that you needed to add for this before I— 3104 02:49:40,265 --> 02:49:41,896 No, nothing specific. 3105 02:49:41,896 --> 02:49:47,334 No, the property owner was to come into compliance by July 22nd, 2026. 3106 02:49:47,334 --> 02:49:52,228 If not, $50 per day will start on the property July 23rd, 2026, 3107 02:49:52,228 --> 02:49:55,180 and the property is not in compliance. 3108 02:49:55,180 --> 02:50:00,444 Okay, perfect. Hello, sir, please state your name and your address. 3109 02:50:00,444 --> 02:50:04,921 John Schloss, 1014 2nd Street Southwest. Okay, thank you. 3110 02:50:04,921 --> 02:50:11,206 Um, We, we see the compliance date. I believe I remember and recognize the name. 3111 02:50:11,206 --> 02:50:12,935 Um, you're here today. 3112 02:50:12,935 --> 02:50:17,962 Are you, um, coming here to contest that you were in compliance, 3113 02:50:17,962 --> 02:50:22,676 or what would you like to— No, no, no, I know I'm not. Okay. 3114 02:50:22,676 --> 02:50:28,097 Um, so I have to thank Officer Cruz for, uh, talking to me yesterday, 3115 02:50:28,097 --> 02:50:33,989 and I think I know exactly because the first document that I got, you know, 3116 02:50:33,989 --> 02:50:38,938 was put on, it described the things that were in noncompliance. 3117 02:50:39,803 --> 02:50:39,918 Okay. 3118 02:50:40,016 --> 02:50:42,832 And so, but I lost that document, 3119 02:50:42,832 --> 02:50:47,099 but I remember there was on the side of the house, 3120 02:50:47,099 --> 02:50:52,475 the soffit was water damaged and it was cracked and everything. 3121 02:50:52,475 --> 02:50:55,376 And I, and the grass was too high. 3122 02:50:55,376 --> 02:50:58,534 Um, but anyway, yesterday, I mean, I, 3123 02:50:58,534 --> 02:51:04,166 I remember the things I had to do and was working on those things. 3124 02:51:04,166 --> 02:51:04,647 Okay. 3125 02:51:04,647 --> 02:51:10,628 But when I talked to him yesterday, he also said that the garage has rust on it, 3126 02:51:10,628 --> 02:51:15,637 so I have to sand that down and paint it. So I'm gonna do that now. 3127 02:51:15,637 --> 02:51:20,571 And then also I had a new roof put on, um, about 4 or 5 years ago, 3128 02:51:20,571 --> 02:51:22,814 and they took the gutters out. 3129 02:51:22,814 --> 02:51:27,823 So there's a little white piece of plastic that comes off the roof, 3130 02:51:27,823 --> 02:51:29,693 and there's mildew there. 3131 02:51:29,693 --> 02:51:35,375 And that's probably because it doesn't have any gutters, because the gutters 3132 02:51:35,375 --> 02:51:35,823 have any gutters, because the gutters would— 3133 02:51:35,823 --> 02:51:38,589 the water would wash the mildew away. 3134 02:51:38,589 --> 02:51:43,748 And then also under the bottom part of the fascia is a piece of wood, 3135 02:51:43,748 --> 02:51:48,458 and that needs to be painted because it's— the paint's peeling. 3136 02:51:48,458 --> 02:51:48,555 Okay. 3137 02:51:50,499 --> 02:51:56,159 Now, one thing I looked at that I really 3138 02:51:56,159 --> 02:51:59,555 couldn't understand was— 3139 02:51:59,555 --> 02:52:05,640 I thought there was something here that was 3140 02:52:05,640 --> 02:52:08,045 about sanitation. 3141 02:52:08,045 --> 02:52:10,436 Yes, sanitation. What was that issue? 3142 02:52:10,436 --> 02:52:11,373 What was that? 3143 02:52:11,373 --> 02:52:14,498 Off the top of my head, I can't remember specifically. 3144 02:52:14,498 --> 02:52:18,838 This had to do with the front door that was damaged that needs to be fixed— 3145 02:52:18,838 --> 02:52:19,301 was damaged that needs to be fixed— fascias, 3146 02:52:19,301 --> 02:52:23,699 soffits, paint. And that was probably part of the paint, the exterior paint. 3147 02:52:23,699 --> 02:52:26,476 There were some dirty areas, but as well as, um, 3148 02:52:26,476 --> 02:52:31,222 and mildewy and different types of areas and deteriorated paint along the exterior 3149 02:52:31,222 --> 02:52:35,793 of there. I don't remember specifically what that was talked about in the first 3150 02:52:35,793 --> 02:52:40,191 hearing, um, but that was part of the— just the exterior of the home itself. 3151 02:52:40,191 --> 02:52:43,159 Okay, so I discovered another thing. 3152 02:52:43,159 --> 02:52:46,210 The front door, you think, is I mean, 3153 02:52:46,210 --> 02:52:52,064 it's an old wood door and it's deteriorated. I, I need to fix that too? 3154 02:52:52,064 --> 02:52:52,786 Yes. 3155 02:52:52,882 --> 02:52:53,203 Yes, sir. 3156 02:52:53,203 --> 02:52:57,101 Can we get him a copy of the notice of violation? 3157 02:52:57,101 --> 02:52:57,470 Of course. 3158 02:52:57,615 --> 02:52:57,839 Yeah. 3159 02:52:57,839 --> 02:53:01,967 And so, yeah, Mr. Sloss, honestly, you know, we are here for a second order on 3160 02:53:01,967 --> 02:53:02,231 know, we are here for a second order on this, 3161 02:53:02,231 --> 02:53:05,988 and if there's no— if you're not contesting the fact that you're out of 3162 02:53:05,988 --> 02:53:06,570 contesting the fact that you're out of compliance, 3163 02:53:06,570 --> 02:53:10,698 it's our job today here just to read this into the record that you were not in 3164 02:53:10,698 --> 02:53:12,920 compliance on these items by the due date. 3165 02:53:12,920 --> 02:53:16,572 If you have questions, continue to stay in touch with, with the city. 3166 02:53:16,572 --> 02:53:18,371 They're going to tell you exactly. 3167 02:53:18,371 --> 02:53:21,281 They can get you that document again if you've lost it. 3168 02:53:21,281 --> 02:53:25,674 Um, so we want to make sure you understand what needs to be done to be brought into 3169 02:53:25,674 --> 02:53:28,637 compliance. For today's purposes, if you have questions, 3170 02:53:28,637 --> 02:53:31,124 that can be dealt with outside of this hearing. 3171 02:53:31,124 --> 02:53:31,643 Okay. 3172 02:53:31,643 --> 02:53:33,606 Um, so at this point in time, you know, 3173 02:53:33,606 --> 02:53:36,776 unless you have something else you'd like to add into evidence— 3174 02:53:36,776 --> 02:53:37,230 Yeah. 3175 02:53:37,887 --> 02:53:43,565 I'll admit is I can get obsessive, and my backyard—I told this to Mr. 3176 02:53:43,565 --> 02:53:47,020 Cruz yesterday—is I moved in 40 years ago, 3177 02:53:47,020 --> 02:53:50,476 and 40 years ago there was a lot of water. 3178 02:53:50,476 --> 02:53:56,977 The aquifers were full, the rains, and what what happened is, and I showed him. 3179 02:53:56,977 --> 02:54:01,420 In the back, the fences that outline the neighborhood, 3180 02:54:01,420 --> 02:54:04,135 there's a mobile home back there. 3181 02:54:04,135 --> 02:54:09,319 The house behind my neighbor's house is probably 8 feet higher. 3182 02:54:09,319 --> 02:54:12,446 The property's probably 8 feet higher. 3183 02:54:12,446 --> 02:54:16,807 And then right where the fence is, we're 8 feet down. 3184 02:54:16,807 --> 02:54:21,909 My property is the lowest on, lowest part of the neighborhood, 3185 02:54:21,909 --> 02:54:23,966 probably for half a mile. 3186 02:54:23,966 --> 02:54:28,821 And it's also the largest property if you look on the plat. 3187 02:54:28,821 --> 02:54:33,758 And all that water— there was a ditch there when I moved in, 3188 02:54:33,758 --> 02:54:36,637 and it was starting to deteriorate. 3189 02:54:36,637 --> 02:54:42,150 My sister lived in there before, and she sued the mobile home park. 3190 02:54:42,150 --> 02:54:47,663 And myself and her husband put in drainage things, put in drainage. 3191 02:54:47,663 --> 02:54:51,942 But what happened over years is Since they're— they, 3192 02:54:51,942 --> 02:54:58,360 they claimed in the trial that that was Mother Nature that made them that much 3193 02:54:58,360 --> 02:55:02,886 higher. And so they gave us, you know, we put in those. 3194 02:55:02,886 --> 02:55:07,411 But over a period of years, my— all whenever it rained, 3195 02:55:07,411 --> 02:55:12,513 because it used to rain a lot, we used to have a lot of water, 3196 02:55:12,513 --> 02:55:15,804 it drained the whole side of this ditch. 3197 02:55:15,804 --> 02:55:20,906 So it was just an, like, an 8-foot hill, and then water comes. 3198 02:55:20,906 --> 02:55:21,100 Jesus. 3199 02:55:21,442 --> 02:55:26,533 And what has happened in that time is it's turned my backyard into basically a 3200 02:55:26,533 --> 02:55:29,536 bathtub. And he can show you all the pictures. 3201 02:55:29,536 --> 02:55:33,648 There's 4 or 5 trees that fell because I have black dirt in my— 3202 02:55:33,648 --> 02:55:37,368 so the water kind of just sits. There used to be a swamp. 3203 02:55:37,368 --> 02:55:40,305 I'm going to interrupt you here for a second. 3204 02:55:40,305 --> 02:55:45,005 I'm having a hard time finding how this pertains to the violations here. 3205 02:55:45,005 --> 02:55:49,966 We are specifically talking about The cited violations and the fact that you 3206 02:55:49,966 --> 02:55:50,357 cited violations and the fact that you didn't 3207 02:55:50,357 --> 02:55:54,991 come into compliance with those violations by the— Okay, I'll stop now. 3208 02:55:54,991 --> 02:55:58,516 It's because I'm saying this because, you know, I got— 3209 02:55:58,516 --> 02:56:03,738 I don't know what I'm going to do about the backyard because I have no backyard. 3210 02:56:03,738 --> 02:56:07,785 I have 4 or 5 big trees fall down because they can't stand up. 3211 02:56:07,785 --> 02:56:12,223 What were the items that were cited to have to do with the backyard? 3212 02:56:12,223 --> 02:56:14,404 This was only for property maintenance issues. 3213 02:56:14,404 --> 02:56:16,254 According to the structure of the home. 3214 02:56:16,254 --> 02:56:19,126 You're not here for anything having to do with, 3215 02:56:19,126 --> 02:56:21,509 with what you're speaking on right now. 3216 02:56:21,509 --> 02:56:26,459 So, um, well, I spent too much time back there thinking that was what I needed to 3217 02:56:26,459 --> 02:56:30,737 fix. I'm sorry. And again, if you're unclear, please set up a meeting. 3218 02:56:30,865 --> 02:56:33,515 Set up a meeting with your court officer so he can outline. 3219 02:56:33,515 --> 02:56:35,201 I talked to him the first time. Okay. 3220 02:56:35,201 --> 02:56:35,827 Yesterday. 3221 02:56:35,827 --> 02:56:38,814 Perfect. I'm going to close the public portion, and I'm looking for a motion, 3222 02:56:38,814 --> 02:56:39,086 please. 3223 02:56:39,086 --> 02:56:41,187 I can make that. I have a motion. 3224 02:56:41,187 --> 02:56:42,931 Please. 3225 02:56:42,931 --> 02:56:49,474 I'm, um, I move in case number CER-2501092 for 3226 02:56:49,474 --> 02:56:55,022 the property located at 1014 2nd Street 3227 02:56:55,022 --> 02:56:59,574 Southwest, Largo, Florida 33770, 3228 02:56:59,574 --> 02:57:03,841 to find the respondent John P. 3229 02:57:03,841 --> 02:57:09,816 Sloss did not Correct the violations on or 3230 02:57:09,816 --> 02:57:15,790 before July 22nd, July 22nd, 2022, and to— 3231 02:57:15,790 --> 02:57:16,692 2026. 3232 02:57:16,692 --> 02:57:23,904 I'm sorry, 2026, and to, um, accept the affidavit of non-compliance. 3233 02:57:23,904 --> 02:57:24,900 Second. 3234 02:57:24,900 --> 02:57:29,576 Okay, I've got a motion by Ms. Hoskin, a second by Mr. Bach. All in favor say aye. 3235 02:57:29,576 --> 02:57:30,026 Aye. 3236 02:57:30,026 --> 02:57:31,119 Any opposed? 3237 02:57:31,210 --> 02:57:31,242 Aye. 3238 02:57:31,242 --> 02:57:35,050 Okay, the motion passes. Sounds like you're working towards compliance. 3239 02:57:35,050 --> 02:57:37,571 Just stay in close contact with the city, okay? 3240 02:57:37,571 --> 02:57:40,414 Once you become compliant, let them know immediately. 3241 02:57:40,414 --> 02:57:44,759 Fines will stop, and then they can talk to you about next steps if you deem it so 3242 02:57:44,759 --> 02:57:47,388 necessary to come in for a request for reduction. 3243 02:57:47,388 --> 02:57:49,158 $50 a day fine is going to start— 3244 02:57:49,158 --> 02:57:52,698 or is accruing already because you haven't been in compliance yet. 3245 02:57:52,698 --> 02:57:55,755 Stay in touch with the city. They'll walk you through it. 3246 02:57:55,755 --> 02:57:59,993 I'll get you that document again. We appreciate you working towards compliance. 3247 02:57:59,993 --> 02:58:00,154 appreciate you working towards compliance. Mr. 3248 02:58:00,154 --> 02:58:03,694 Schloss, I do have that. Thank you, sir. Oh, perfect, right there. 3249 02:58:03,694 --> 02:58:07,877 Ms. Gooch, did we have any latecomers sign in? 3250 02:58:07,877 --> 02:58:11,089 Yeah, are you guys here to speak to cases on the agenda today? 3251 02:58:11,089 --> 02:58:12,152 Yeah. 3252 02:58:12,152 --> 02:58:14,735 You both are? 2 different parties here? Ms. 3253 02:58:14,735 --> 02:58:19,661 Gooch, do we— you're here for item number 29, and what item are you guys here for? 3254 02:58:19,661 --> 02:58:20,534 35. 3255 02:58:20,534 --> 02:58:21,374 35? 3256 02:58:22,500 --> 02:58:28,102 29, 35, 21. 29 in that order? 3257 02:58:29,255 --> 02:58:31,489 Um, they were— 3258 02:58:31,554 --> 02:58:31,943 we don't know— 3259 02:58:31,959 --> 02:58:35,060 all given on a single sheet, you know, those 3. 3260 02:58:35,287 --> 02:58:41,524 So 35, 29, 21. I apologize, I got 35, 35, 29, 21st. 3261 02:58:41,717 --> 02:58:43,447 Thank you so much. You're going to— 3262 02:58:43,447 --> 02:58:46,513 I'm going to ask you that again after we get through this one. 3263 02:58:46,513 --> 02:58:49,924 Um, okay, so we are going to move on to agenda Agenda item number 35. 3264 02:58:49,924 --> 02:58:52,050 Did we— one of you are here? Okay, perfect. 3265 02:58:52,050 --> 02:58:52,372 We have it. 3266 02:58:52,372 --> 02:58:58,098 Agenda item number 35. That is on page 12 of the agenda. 3267 02:58:58,098 --> 02:59:03,211 That is case number CER-26-00275. I have Sandra E. 3268 02:59:03,211 --> 02:59:06,381 Arango Carrillo and Augustin A. 3269 02:59:06,381 --> 02:59:12,209 Rojas at 860 13th Avenue Southwest, Largo, Florida 33536. 3270 02:59:12,209 --> 02:59:16,197 33770, and this is Code Officer Knotts. 3271 02:59:16,197 --> 02:59:21,282 All right, Code Officer Mark Knotts representing the City of Largo. 3272 02:59:21,282 --> 02:59:25,684 This is case number CER 2600275. Respondents: Augustine A. 3273 02:59:25,684 --> 02:59:28,036 Rojas, Sandra Yarango Carrillo. 3274 02:59:28,036 --> 02:59:33,349 Uh, property address: 860 13th Avenue Southwest, Largo, Florida 33770. 3275 02:59:33,349 --> 02:59:35,702 This is a homesteaded property. 3276 02:59:35,702 --> 02:59:41,773 Violations are 2023 Florida Building Code Section 105, building without permits, 3277 02:59:41,773 --> 02:59:45,871 as adopted by reference in CDC 18.1.1, and CDC 16.2.2, 3278 02:59:45,871 --> 02:59:50,804 detached storage buildings and gazebos/pergolas required permits. 3279 02:59:50,804 --> 02:59:55,510 The initial inspection of the property was on April 2nd, 2026. 3280 02:59:55,510 --> 02:59:59,304 The notice of violation was dated April 2nd, 2026. 3281 02:59:59,304 --> 03:00:03,706 The notice of violation compliance date was May 3rd, 2026. 3282 03:00:03,706 --> 03:00:09,929 The reinspection date was May 4th, 2026. The reinspection result was noncompliant. 3283 03:00:09,929 --> 03:00:15,546 The notice of violation was sent via certified mail to the listed property 3284 03:00:15,546 --> 03:00:16,229 certified mail to the listed property owner and 3285 03:00:16,229 --> 03:00:18,885 Pinellas County Property Appraiser. 3286 03:00:18,885 --> 03:00:24,729 The notice of hearing was posted on the property, posted in the lobby of City 3287 03:00:24,729 --> 03:00:25,108 property, posted in the lobby of City Hall, 3288 03:00:25,108 --> 03:00:31,483 and sent via certified mail to the listed property owner in Pinellas County Property 3289 03:00:31,483 --> 03:00:37,555 Appraiser. This is the notice of hearing posted on the property July 15th, 2026. 3290 03:00:37,555 --> 03:00:40,666 So this is from the neighboring property. 3291 03:00:40,666 --> 03:00:46,358 I had permission from the owner to cross over because I saw from the front. 3292 03:00:46,358 --> 03:00:51,899 You'll see in a following picture, there's a large frame around the pool. 3293 03:00:51,899 --> 03:00:55,086 That's what caught my eye initially. Okay. 3294 03:00:55,086 --> 03:01:00,323 Essentially, there's been 2 unpermitted gazebos, an unpermitted deck, 3295 03:01:00,323 --> 03:01:05,863 and an unpermitted pool deck all constructed, which you'll see in further 3296 03:01:05,863 --> 03:01:06,394 constructed, which you'll see in further photos. 3297 03:01:06,394 --> 03:01:09,050 This is just a photo from the rear. 3298 03:01:09,050 --> 03:01:15,350 This is the frame that originally caught my attention that's visible from the front 3299 03:01:15,350 --> 03:01:21,193 of the property as well. It's a frame connected to an above-ground pool deck. 3300 03:01:21,193 --> 03:01:27,189 This is a Aerial photo taken off of GIS where you can view the unpermitted deck 3301 03:01:27,189 --> 03:01:29,693 coming off the back of the house, 3302 03:01:29,693 --> 03:01:35,537 the unpermitted pool deck that has that large frame structure attached to it, 3303 03:01:35,537 --> 03:01:41,153 and the far left arrow points to one of the two unpermitted gazebos on the 3304 03:01:41,153 --> 03:01:41,836 the two unpermitted gazebos on the property. 3305 03:01:41,836 --> 03:01:47,604 The corrective action is to obtain all necessary permits to cover the entire 3306 03:01:47,604 --> 03:01:47,984 necessary permits to cover the entire scope 3307 03:01:47,984 --> 03:01:52,765 of work and obtain permits for the construction of two gazebos. 3308 03:01:52,856 --> 03:01:54,638 Okay. 3309 03:01:54,638 --> 03:01:57,987 Staff recommends giving the respondents, Agustin A. 3310 03:01:57,987 --> 03:02:03,305 Rojas and Sandry Arango Carrillo, until August 31st, 2026, to achieve compliance. 3311 03:02:03,305 --> 03:02:05,274 If compliance is not achieved, 3312 03:02:05,274 --> 03:02:10,067 staff recommends the Code Enforcement Board impose a fine of $250 per day 3313 03:02:10,067 --> 03:02:10,658 Board impose a fine of $250 per day beginning 3314 03:02:10,658 --> 03:02:15,254 on September 1st, 2026, until the property is brought into compliance, 3315 03:02:15,254 --> 03:02:20,310 with the fine not to exceed the just market value established by the Pinellas 3316 03:02:20,310 --> 03:02:20,704 market value established by the Pinellas County 3317 03:02:20,704 --> 03:02:25,759 Property Appraiser of $192,716. So I'd like to add, I've been back and forth. 3318 03:02:25,759 --> 03:02:30,815 I've communicated with them a few times on this. They have submitted permits. 3319 03:02:30,815 --> 03:02:34,098 They've gotten kicked back, they've gotten voided. 3320 03:02:34,098 --> 03:02:39,482 So it's just been a back and forth with permitting essentially with this property. 3321 03:02:39,482 --> 03:02:42,108 As of this morning, when I looked at it, 3322 03:02:42,108 --> 03:02:46,179 they do have permits in for both decks and one of the gazebos. 3323 03:02:46,179 --> 03:02:51,103 The main permit for the decks has already been kicked back as of yesterday, 3324 03:02:51,103 --> 03:02:53,138 so it's been kicked back again. 3325 03:02:53,138 --> 03:02:57,078 So typically I like to work with people on things like this, 3326 03:02:57,078 --> 03:03:01,083 but it's been going on three plus months, almost four months. 3327 03:03:01,083 --> 03:03:03,775 The permits—I'm not sure what's going on. 3328 03:03:03,775 --> 03:03:09,093 If you guys need to hire a professional to sort the permits out because they just 3329 03:03:09,093 --> 03:03:10,800 keep going back and forth. 3330 03:03:10,800 --> 03:03:15,724 So that's why I chose to bring it just so we can kind of put a bow on this. 3331 03:03:15,724 --> 03:03:17,300 and see what's going on. 3332 03:03:17,300 --> 03:03:21,950 What does a kickback mean? 3333 03:03:21,950 --> 03:03:22,370 Kickback? 3334 03:03:22,370 --> 03:03:23,150 Kickback. 3335 03:03:23,150 --> 03:03:25,211 Oh, the permit keeps getting rejected and kicked back out, 3336 03:03:25,211 --> 03:03:26,490 that it's not going to get approved. 3337 03:03:26,490 --> 03:03:30,190 There are issues with the permit that, that are preventing it from being issued. 3338 03:03:30,190 --> 03:03:31,350 I thought the permit was issued. 3339 03:03:31,350 --> 03:03:33,890 And who's filling out the permits and drawing them? 3340 03:03:33,890 --> 03:03:35,289 One second, one second, Ms. Alfarilli. 3341 03:03:35,289 --> 03:03:37,057 Were you guys sworn in at the beginning of this? 3342 03:03:37,057 --> 03:03:38,530 Did you get here in time to be sworn in? 3343 03:03:38,530 --> 03:03:38,990 Yeah, yeah. 3344 03:03:38,990 --> 03:03:41,238 You were? Yeah, yeah, we got here at 1:20. 3345 03:03:41,238 --> 03:03:44,930 Okay, um, please state your name and property address for the record. 3346 03:03:44,930 --> 03:03:48,160 Pardon me, is it fine if This is my dad. 3347 03:03:48,160 --> 03:03:52,136 And who is your dad? My name is Agustin Rojas. 3348 03:03:52,136 --> 03:03:56,889 I live in A6013 Avenue Southwest, Largo, Florida 33770. 3349 03:03:56,889 --> 03:03:59,050 He's my son, Brian Rojas. 3350 03:03:59,050 --> 03:03:59,970 Okay. 3351 03:03:59,970 --> 03:04:03,765 Sorry, he's trying to help me with that because it's— 3352 03:04:03,765 --> 03:04:07,345 I'm gonna say a couple things because it's so, um, 3353 03:04:07,345 --> 03:04:12,070 I'm just building that one my own because I'm trying to keep nice. 3354 03:04:12,613 --> 03:04:16,665 But I'm so sorry because I don't have— I don't have idea, like, 3355 03:04:16,665 --> 03:04:18,659 how to make a payment for that. 3356 03:04:18,659 --> 03:04:21,360 And then— and I will say sorry about that. 3357 03:04:21,505 --> 03:04:26,993 But, you know, I try to make nice, like, backyard. 3358 03:04:27,555 --> 03:04:32,784 So the only thing is, everybody— The permit we have, 3359 03:04:32,784 --> 03:04:39,220 it's difficult actually to find an engineer or architect to make 3360 03:04:39,220 --> 03:04:40,427 those plans. 3361 03:04:40,427 --> 03:04:41,358 Absolutely. 3362 03:04:41,358 --> 03:04:45,905 Because when the people see the, the project, they say, no, no, no, it's too 3363 03:04:45,905 --> 03:04:46,264 project, they say, no, no, no, it's too small, 3364 03:04:46,264 --> 03:04:47,521 don't worry about it. 3365 03:04:48,147 --> 03:04:50,940 So I'm trying to jump in one to another one, another one. 3366 03:04:51,694 --> 03:04:57,280 That's why it's taking too much time, because we— I think finally I find one, 3367 03:04:57,280 --> 03:04:59,529 but we did it, he did the plan, 3368 03:04:59,529 --> 03:05:04,897 but now I rejected it again because there's no building line by the by the 3369 03:05:04,897 --> 03:05:05,260 there's no building line by the by the code, 3370 03:05:05,260 --> 03:05:10,193 under code, for say something. And then we, we are here. Okay. Okay. 3371 03:05:10,193 --> 03:05:12,732 Thank you for that, Ms. Caffarelli. 3372 03:05:12,732 --> 03:05:17,434 You have any credentials at all, huh, on drawing? 3373 03:05:17,434 --> 03:05:23,862 What you're doing is you're going to have to make a drawing. I did. 3374 03:05:23,862 --> 03:05:28,756 Yeah, but the way it is now, exactly the way it is. 3375 03:05:28,756 --> 03:05:32,978 Now you can do it being that he's the owner, 3376 03:05:32,978 --> 03:05:40,462 but you can't change it the way it legally should be to what is already there. 3377 03:05:40,462 --> 03:05:48,042 So if you, if you want to do your permit and you want to keep getting rejected, 3378 03:05:48,042 --> 03:05:50,825 use it as a learning process. 3379 03:05:50,825 --> 03:05:52,061 Have you— 3380 03:05:52,061 --> 03:05:56,577 'Cause it's something you can use the rest of your life. 3381 03:05:56,577 --> 03:06:02,302 But keep it up and go in there and actually sit and draw what is there. 3382 03:06:02,302 --> 03:06:08,511 And then see if it passes. If it doesn't pass, they're going to kick it back. 3383 03:06:08,511 --> 03:06:14,962 You're going to have a hard time finding an architect to do an as-is drawing for 3384 03:06:14,962 --> 03:06:20,204 something around an above-the-ground pool. So I mean, it's— yeah. 3385 03:06:20,204 --> 03:06:21,363 We do have one submitted. 3386 03:06:21,363 --> 03:06:23,728 An architect has submitted as part of their Permit, 3387 03:06:23,728 --> 03:06:27,020 but it does look like it's been kicked back. He had an architect do it. 3388 03:06:27,020 --> 03:06:29,849 They have to go into a portal to see exactly what's required. 3389 03:06:29,849 --> 03:06:31,379 But yeah, that's what I'm saying. 3390 03:06:32,030 --> 03:06:34,732 They can draw what should be, not what is. 3391 03:06:36,582 --> 03:06:38,256 Well, okay, let me— 3392 03:06:38,256 --> 03:06:39,737 there's nothing wrong with him doing it. 3393 03:06:39,737 --> 03:06:43,726 No, no. So the reason I'm just submitting the permits, 3394 03:06:43,726 --> 03:06:49,856 I did a couple drawings so the architect knows, and we took pictures and he did it. 3395 03:06:49,856 --> 03:06:52,220 But it got sent back because of— 3396 03:06:52,220 --> 03:06:54,420 it was not up to code from 2023. 3397 03:06:54,420 --> 03:06:55,480 That's what I'm saying. 3398 03:06:55,480 --> 03:06:58,792 Yeah, but at first I was just submitting because we don't know this, 3399 03:06:58,792 --> 03:07:02,298 first time submitting permits, right? And then I would just submit them. 3400 03:07:02,298 --> 03:07:05,220 And then first of all, I want to clarify, like, there's not— 3401 03:07:05,220 --> 03:07:07,050 there's no 2 gazebos. There's only one. 3402 03:07:07,340 --> 03:07:11,240 The big one that my dad did was a wood one, you know, from scratch. 3403 03:07:11,350 --> 03:07:13,050 And the other one is a tent. 3404 03:07:13,050 --> 03:07:14,930 It's like bought from Amazon. 3405 03:07:14,930 --> 03:07:18,984 Yeah, you buy on Amazon and you put the parts Take as many 3406 03:07:18,984 --> 03:07:23,387 pictures as you can and then draw it exactly the way it is that 3407 03:07:23,387 --> 03:07:23,667 way. 3408 03:07:23,667 --> 03:07:24,741 Yeah, I did that already. 3409 03:07:24,741 --> 03:07:28,462 All right, so keep submitting them until it's not rejected. 3410 03:07:28,462 --> 03:07:31,893 That's the first permits I tried to submit and they got sent back, 3411 03:07:31,893 --> 03:07:35,117 said they need professionally signed and everything like that. 3412 03:07:35,117 --> 03:07:36,383 Don't take offense to it. 3413 03:07:36,383 --> 03:07:36,961 No, I don't. 3414 03:07:36,961 --> 03:07:38,421 It's a learning period. 3415 03:07:38,421 --> 03:07:39,944 I'm telling you, really, 3416 03:07:39,944 --> 03:07:43,879 you'll rule this because this is what we need in this country. 3417 03:07:43,879 --> 03:07:45,973 We need carpenters and Engineers? 3418 03:07:45,973 --> 03:07:47,225 No. Yeah. 3419 03:07:47,225 --> 03:07:48,990 And this is a learning period for you. 3420 03:07:48,990 --> 03:07:50,207 Yeah, it's actually, 3421 03:07:50,207 --> 03:07:54,830 it's like good for me to know because maybe in the beginning and then later, 3422 03:07:54,830 --> 03:07:58,359 say when somebody say, hey, you building that one for you? 3423 03:07:58,423 --> 03:08:01,889 Yeah, now I have, maybe I can say I have more idea. 3424 03:08:01,889 --> 03:08:06,527 You don't want anybody to get injured on something that's not up to code because 3425 03:08:06,527 --> 03:08:07,744 then they'll sue you. 3426 03:08:07,744 --> 03:08:13,331 Okay, so I'm sorry, can we get some clarification on the tent? 3427 03:08:13,331 --> 03:08:19,098 Yes, as part of the compliance, I'm totally open to being wrong. 3428 03:08:19,227 --> 03:08:23,692 From the way I viewed it from the back fence, it did appear to be 2 gazebos. 3429 03:08:23,692 --> 03:08:25,220 If it's a tent, it's fine. 3430 03:08:25,220 --> 03:08:29,156 Totally open to correction there if they can prove or show a photo. 3431 03:08:29,156 --> 03:08:31,917 So then it would just be a permit for 1 gazebo. 3432 03:08:31,917 --> 03:08:36,197 Okay, that'll be important. Um, do you happen to have photos by chance? 3433 03:08:36,197 --> 03:08:39,151 Did you bring any photos? Yeah. Like my backyard? 3434 03:08:39,151 --> 03:08:43,492 Yeah, that would show the tent and the gazebo as it not being 2 gazebos. 3435 03:08:43,492 --> 03:08:47,651 Yeah, I saw how the installation, all these parts, like they come in. 3436 03:08:47,651 --> 03:08:51,027 Yeah, you can come up, but— oh, I'm sorry. No, go ahead. 3437 03:08:51,027 --> 03:08:51,702 Email them to— 3438 03:08:51,702 --> 03:08:52,954 Give it to him, he'll put it on the screen. 3439 03:08:52,954 --> 03:08:56,657 Yeah, or email it to Chase and they can put it on the screen. 3440 03:08:56,657 --> 03:08:59,875 And sir, do you want to introduce that into evidence? 3441 03:08:59,875 --> 03:09:05,527 Yeah, that's a description, like what you're talking about. 3442 03:09:05,527 --> 03:09:10,125 Oh, this is for the tent. Oh, it's a metal tent. 3443 03:09:10,125 --> 03:09:13,191 These probably need permits too. 3444 03:09:13,191 --> 03:09:15,319 Yeah, you're gonna have to have— 3445 03:09:15,319 --> 03:09:17,647 you're gonna have to have setbacks. 3446 03:09:17,647 --> 03:09:21,304 Yeah, I have to have certain railings, stuff like that. 3447 03:09:21,304 --> 03:09:24,306 Yeah, it's, it's essentially, uh, 3448 03:09:24,306 --> 03:09:30,036 it's essentially a gazebo-like structure even though it's got a 3449 03:09:30,036 --> 03:09:33,220 soft top. Is it a soft top or hard? 3450 03:09:33,220 --> 03:09:34,950 Yeah. 3451 03:09:34,950 --> 03:09:38,650 Okay. Yeah. Would you show this? Yeah. 3452 03:09:38,650 --> 03:09:41,898 So yeah, we'll accept this into evidence and then I'll pass it around the board and 3453 03:09:41,898 --> 03:09:43,150 then we'll give you back a copy. 3454 03:09:43,150 --> 03:09:47,890 I want Mr. Knotts to see it, to see, to ask him if it qualifies for— 3455 03:09:47,890 --> 03:09:50,270 oh, we're not gonna— Mr. Knotts? Yeah. 3456 03:09:50,270 --> 03:09:51,838 Yeah, we have a copy for him. 3457 03:09:51,838 --> 03:09:55,297 I mean, it's a pretty substantial— it's— he's calling it a tent. 3458 03:09:55,297 --> 03:09:58,865 It's got a metal roof. I mean, those need permits too, don't they? 3459 03:09:58,865 --> 03:10:00,811 Even though you buy them off Amazon. 3460 03:10:00,811 --> 03:10:03,523 Because you're both giving testimony. Yeah, I know. 3461 03:10:03,523 --> 03:10:05,907 I just— I didn't— I just saw the frame, 3462 03:10:05,907 --> 03:10:09,943 kind of a couple pictures on the instructions of what it— what the 3463 03:10:09,943 --> 03:10:10,921 instructions of what it— what the structure— yeah. 3464 03:10:10,921 --> 03:10:14,612 I'm sure he typically— and he said it's an aluminum roof. 3465 03:10:14,612 --> 03:10:16,201 Yeah, yeah, sure. 3466 03:10:16,425 --> 03:10:20,935 Yeah, that's gonna be coming, as you're probably right. 3467 03:10:21,801 --> 03:10:23,358 And all that can be done under one permit? 3468 03:10:23,342 --> 03:10:27,465 Mr. Knotts, okay, um, I think they want to introduce— do, 3469 03:10:27,465 --> 03:10:29,491 do you want us to keep this? 3470 03:10:29,491 --> 03:10:32,095 If you want to keep it, that's fine. 3471 03:10:32,143 --> 03:10:33,233 I can print more for me. 3472 03:10:33,233 --> 03:10:35,300 If we're introducing into evidence, 3473 03:10:35,300 --> 03:10:39,789 we do need to ensure that each board member has an opportunity to review it. 3474 03:10:39,789 --> 03:10:41,793 Okay, understood. 3475 03:10:42,338 --> 03:10:42,627 We will. 3476 03:10:42,627 --> 03:10:45,921 So Mr. Knotts, you're clear on that structure, 3477 03:10:45,921 --> 03:10:50,505 so you can relay to them that it will also need to be inspected? 3478 03:10:50,505 --> 03:10:50,878 Yes. 3479 03:10:50,878 --> 03:10:51,347 Okay. 3480 03:10:51,347 --> 03:10:56,067 I believe it would still fall under the same ordinance regardless. 3481 03:10:56,067 --> 03:10:58,141 It says gazebos and pergolas. 3482 03:10:58,255 --> 03:11:01,294 I think it still— that still covers ordinance. 3483 03:11:02,555 --> 03:11:06,015 So, okay, you know that we have a time issue here at all. 3484 03:11:06,015 --> 03:11:06,953 What do you mean? 3485 03:11:06,953 --> 03:11:09,730 I mean, what's the recommendation, Officer Cruz? 3486 03:11:09,730 --> 03:11:13,259 What was your recommendation for how much time they're gonna— 3487 03:11:13,259 --> 03:11:16,101 I would have to look at the slide, but I believe it was just 30 days. 3488 03:11:16,598 --> 03:11:20,043 Um, well, given the permitting issues, do we need to extend that a little bit? 3489 03:11:20,043 --> 03:11:21,937 Oh, I would have no objection to that. 3490 03:11:21,937 --> 03:11:25,077 It's just like I said, with the permit bouncing back and forth, 3491 03:11:25,077 --> 03:11:28,965 I felt like this needed to be brought forward so we could get it clarified and 3492 03:11:28,965 --> 03:11:29,115 forward so we could get it clarified and get 3493 03:11:29,115 --> 03:11:29,962 it taken care of. 3494 03:11:29,962 --> 03:11:33,355 In your experience, do the people at the permitting office— I mean, 3495 03:11:33,355 --> 03:11:37,456 will they explain and walk them through what needs to be done if they go in with— 3496 03:11:37,456 --> 03:11:41,203 on a meeting and sit down and actually help them draw it out so it can get 3497 03:11:41,203 --> 03:11:41,659 help them draw it out so it can get approved? 3498 03:11:42,012 --> 03:11:45,324 I don't know if they're necessarily going to sit down and, you know, 3499 03:11:45,324 --> 03:11:47,760 school them on how to do an architectural drawing. 3500 03:11:47,969 --> 03:11:48,322 Right. 3501 03:11:48,595 --> 03:11:51,806 They'll just explain the paperwork, essentially. 3502 03:11:51,806 --> 03:11:57,091 The gazebo permits themselves, gazebo pergola permits are super easy to obtain. 3503 03:11:57,091 --> 03:11:59,433 They don't take long to get issued. 3504 03:11:59,433 --> 03:12:01,905 The structure and the deck and all that. 3505 03:12:01,905 --> 03:12:03,286 Yeah, that's the bigger issue. 3506 03:12:03,286 --> 03:12:06,887 Okay. Yes, sir. You can get something to add. Yeah. 3507 03:12:06,887 --> 03:12:09,711 Um, so When we first got the violations, 3508 03:12:09,711 --> 03:12:11,476 we came to the city hall. 3509 03:12:11,476 --> 03:12:11,878 Yeah. 3510 03:12:11,878 --> 03:12:17,591 And then I spoke to this one lady about like the permits, and then she said, 3511 03:12:17,591 --> 03:12:21,350 I recommend you submitting all permits one by one. 3512 03:12:21,350 --> 03:12:25,409 So she thought I had 2 gazebos and then 2 patio decks, 3513 03:12:25,409 --> 03:12:28,792 like a pool deck and the little deck we have. 3514 03:12:28,792 --> 03:12:29,145 Okay. 3515 03:12:29,145 --> 03:12:31,690 She was like, I recommend them to submit a separate, 3516 03:12:31,690 --> 03:12:33,305 so just in case one bounced back. 3517 03:12:33,498 --> 03:12:35,938 Okay, you can just, you know, still have the other ones. 3518 03:12:36,051 --> 03:12:39,040 Then I submit it separate, and then they just want— oh, 3519 03:12:39,040 --> 03:12:42,356 I see what the only thing they say they kick it back for, oh, 3520 03:12:42,356 --> 03:12:43,606 you need them together. 3521 03:12:43,606 --> 03:12:45,454 So, and I did them together again, 3522 03:12:45,454 --> 03:12:49,801 and then now just they want it to be up to code and stuff like that. Okay, yeah. 3523 03:12:49,801 --> 03:12:53,932 And if we can look at the monitors here, just pulling up some of the photos. 3524 03:12:53,932 --> 03:12:55,943 I'm sorry, Redone, did I cut you off? 3525 03:12:55,943 --> 03:12:58,014 Oh yeah, another thing. 3526 03:12:58,704 --> 03:13:00,389 So yeah, just the gazebo. 3527 03:13:01,416 --> 03:13:02,586 One is a tent from Amazon. 3528 03:13:02,586 --> 03:13:05,505 Yeah. Mr. Niles, can you see that? 3529 03:13:05,505 --> 03:13:06,708 First permit at— 3530 03:13:06,708 --> 03:13:07,366 oh, you're like— okay. 3531 03:13:07,366 --> 03:13:10,493 Yeah, so that, that's the, that's the tent. 3532 03:13:10,493 --> 03:13:12,177 The tent to the left. 3533 03:13:12,177 --> 03:13:13,909 Yeah, it's got a metal roof. 3534 03:13:13,909 --> 03:13:15,320 That's going to need a permit, isn't it? 3535 03:13:15,320 --> 03:13:15,753 Yes. 3536 03:13:15,753 --> 03:13:18,624 Okay, so that is going to fall underneath the 2 gazebos. 3537 03:13:18,624 --> 03:13:19,297 Yep. 3538 03:13:19,297 --> 03:13:22,766 So it will all— so don't eliminate that from your process. 3539 03:13:22,766 --> 03:13:26,535 You can give them those instructions and that might be helpful. 3540 03:13:26,535 --> 03:13:31,801 What about that shade tarp adjacent over the pool? Is that included in— 3541 03:13:31,801 --> 03:13:35,764 Well, the structure holding it up is included in their deck permit. 3542 03:13:35,764 --> 03:13:36,749 That is? Okay. 3543 03:13:36,749 --> 03:13:40,641 These are helpful. Thanks for sending those pictures. 3544 03:13:40,641 --> 03:13:45,635 For the little tent, right, or the gazebo, whatever, the little one, 3545 03:13:45,635 --> 03:13:47,398 right? The purplish one? 3546 03:13:47,398 --> 03:13:47,914 Yep. 3547 03:13:47,914 --> 03:13:49,885 Is that a residential structure? 3548 03:13:49,885 --> 03:13:53,582 Or because— so I have my auntie, she works for Orlando City, 3549 03:13:53,582 --> 03:13:58,326 and she does all this kind of stuff, and she don't want to be helping me out. 3550 03:13:58,326 --> 03:14:01,591 And then my first permit was a residential accessory— 3551 03:14:02,273 --> 03:14:06,141 no, it was a residential miscellaneous, I think. 3552 03:14:06,141 --> 03:14:08,559 That's what I submitted first, 3553 03:14:08,559 --> 03:14:12,749 and then they told me it's going to be a structural. 3554 03:14:12,749 --> 03:14:16,541 Well, my auntie said that tent is not structural. 3555 03:14:16,541 --> 03:14:19,714 Should be just a miscellaneous accessory. 3556 03:14:19,714 --> 03:14:24,335 And I don't want to go into the building situation, but it has to have wind impact. 3557 03:14:24,335 --> 03:14:26,673 So that's why it's an accessory structure. 3558 03:14:26,673 --> 03:14:30,848 It has to be a certain type of brand of this. It's a gazebo. It's a gazebo. 3559 03:14:30,848 --> 03:14:32,128 It's not a tent gazebo. 3560 03:14:32,128 --> 03:14:36,470 And it's just because you order it from Amazon and then I don't know what it's 3561 03:14:36,470 --> 03:14:38,475 called on there, but it is a gazebo. 3562 03:14:38,475 --> 03:14:41,648 So it has to have wind impact up to X amount, which will— 3563 03:14:41,648 --> 03:14:43,485 you will be told by the building. 3564 03:14:43,485 --> 03:14:46,658 department, but it is going to be an accessory structure. 3565 03:14:46,658 --> 03:14:48,495 Yes, per our code is accessories. 3566 03:14:48,591 --> 03:14:49,233 Yeah, per our code. 3567 03:14:49,313 --> 03:14:51,944 Other municipalities, yeah, yeah, right, different. 3568 03:14:51,992 --> 03:14:54,788 Orlando's going to be different, and you know, 3569 03:14:54,788 --> 03:14:58,495 we are bound by a lot different wind regulations in Pinellas. 3570 03:14:58,495 --> 03:15:01,291 No, yeah, I get compared to interior counties. 3571 03:15:01,291 --> 03:15:03,661 Um, okay, any other specific questions? 3572 03:15:03,661 --> 03:15:08,341 Anything you'd like to add in closing at this point in time? Yeah, thank you. 3573 03:15:08,582 --> 03:15:13,734 Whatever you decide, I don't know, because obviously I require more time to like— 3574 03:15:13,734 --> 03:15:14,748 You'd like more time? 3575 03:15:14,748 --> 03:15:17,838 Yeah, because I needed for say something, 3576 03:15:17,838 --> 03:15:22,811 I need to add more things to put everything on the code, you know, 3577 03:15:22,811 --> 03:15:24,544 I need to do more time. 3578 03:15:24,544 --> 03:15:26,466 How much time do you think? 3579 03:15:26,466 --> 03:15:29,953 On July 30th, like maybe, I don't know, 2 months, 3580 03:15:29,953 --> 03:15:35,292 because after that I had to send the pictures And again, to the— I'm sorry, 3581 03:15:35,292 --> 03:15:40,914 I forget the name— to the architect to do the plans again and explain the plan, 3582 03:15:40,914 --> 03:15:45,541 everything in the plan, because I need to send it how I build it. 3583 03:15:45,541 --> 03:15:50,452 There's a lot to it. Did you say 2 months, sir? Did you say 2 months? 3584 03:15:50,452 --> 03:15:54,045 Oh yeah, I don't know, you can do more because, you know, 3585 03:15:54,045 --> 03:15:56,503 it's really hard because the architect, 3586 03:15:56,503 --> 03:16:01,041 he called me back when I sent the last picture, like, City say, you say, 3587 03:16:01,041 --> 03:16:05,264 it's a lot of things you have to do, or like in the city, like the— 3588 03:16:05,264 --> 03:16:08,494 There's a lot to it for sure. Yeah, architects require a lot. 3589 03:16:08,494 --> 03:16:12,359 The permitting department, they need to know what they're signing off on. 3590 03:16:12,359 --> 03:16:14,318 So, okay, so did the board hear that? 3591 03:16:14,318 --> 03:16:18,077 He is requesting a little bit more time, um, 2 months or more, he said. 3592 03:16:18,077 --> 03:16:22,260 Um, so I'm going to close the public portion unless there was anything else you 3593 03:16:22,260 --> 03:16:25,543 wanted to add. City, you're, you're good. Um, yes, Miss Gooch. 3594 03:16:25,993 --> 03:16:26,686 Are these ours? 3595 03:16:26,686 --> 03:16:27,072 Yes. 3596 03:16:27,072 --> 03:16:30,228 Yes, he confirmed we could keep those. Right, we can keep those? 3597 03:16:30,228 --> 03:16:31,082 Scan them in. 3598 03:16:31,130 --> 03:16:32,338 We'll scan them into the file. 3599 03:16:32,338 --> 03:16:34,891 Yeah, they'll be added to the file, and we already have the photos. 3600 03:16:34,891 --> 03:16:37,711 Thanks for sending that. Okay, any discussion or questions from the board? 3601 03:16:37,711 --> 03:16:38,322 Okay, board. 3602 03:16:38,322 --> 03:16:38,772 Yeah. 3603 03:16:38,772 --> 03:16:44,682 Uh, is everyone agreeable to give them until the end of October, which is 10/30, 3604 03:16:44,682 --> 03:16:49,336 to comply, which would then mean the fines would start on 11/2? 3605 03:16:49,336 --> 03:16:50,813 Is that about right? 3606 03:16:50,813 --> 03:16:52,626 Yes. What, about 3 months is what you're— 3607 03:16:52,626 --> 03:16:52,871 Yes. 3608 03:16:52,871 --> 03:16:54,144 Yeah, they're giving them the 90 days. 3609 03:16:54,144 --> 03:16:54,618 Suggesting? 3610 03:16:55,164 --> 03:16:59,152 I don't think they've got, you know, health or safety issues. 3611 03:16:59,152 --> 03:17:03,046 I think $250 is a little high for the price of the house. I think so, too. 3612 03:17:03,046 --> 03:17:03,289 Yeah. 3613 03:17:03,289 --> 03:17:03,856 Okay. 3614 03:17:03,856 --> 03:17:08,613 So we'll scale that back as well. Okay. Shall I proceed? 3615 03:17:08,613 --> 03:17:08,920 Please. 3616 03:17:08,920 --> 03:17:09,341 Yes. 3617 03:17:09,341 --> 03:17:09,940 Yeah. 3618 03:17:09,940 --> 03:17:10,620 Proceed. 3619 03:17:10,620 --> 03:17:17,178 I move in case number CER26-00275 to find the respondents, 3620 03:17:17,178 --> 03:17:20,683 Augustin A. Rojas and Sandra I. 3621 03:17:20,683 --> 03:17:27,354 In violation of the 2023 Florida Building Code Section 105, 3622 03:17:27,354 --> 03:17:30,181 building without permits, 3623 03:17:30,181 --> 03:17:36,400 as adopted by reference in CDC 18.1.1.A and CDC 16.2.2, 3624 03:17:36,400 --> 03:17:43,297 for the property located at 860 13th Avenue Southwest, Largo, 3625 03:17:43,297 --> 03:17:44,880 Florida 33770. 3626 03:17:44,880 --> 03:17:45,316 Second. 3627 03:17:46,219 --> 03:17:53,638 And to assess a fine of $2— excuse me, of $100 per day beginning on November 2, 3628 03:17:53,638 --> 03:17:56,925 2026, until compliance is achieved, 3629 03:17:56,925 --> 03:18:02,748 with the fine not exceeding the just market value of $192,716, 3630 03:18:02,748 --> 03:18:09,698 and to order the respondent to contact the Community Standards Division to 3631 03:18:09,698 --> 03:18:15,333 arrange for a reinspection of the property to verify Second. 3632 03:18:15,333 --> 03:18:17,885 That was a compliance date of November 2nd? 3633 03:18:17,885 --> 03:18:19,015 Yes. 3634 03:18:19,015 --> 03:18:21,632 Fine. Fine to begin on 11/2. 3635 03:18:21,632 --> 03:18:23,876 Because November 1st is Sunday. 3636 03:18:23,876 --> 03:18:25,488 Well, I said I would— 3637 03:18:25,488 --> 03:18:31,243 if I could read it into the record that they are to comply by October 30th. 3638 03:18:31,243 --> 03:18:32,584 Yeah, she said that. 3639 03:18:32,584 --> 03:18:37,158 Oh, okay. Yes, comply by October 30th and the fine will begin on 11/2. 3640 03:18:37,158 --> 03:18:39,183 Which is the Monday thereafter. 3641 03:18:39,183 --> 03:18:43,072 Correct. Yeah, that creates a gap. 3642 03:18:43,072 --> 03:18:48,745 Yes. Okay, let's keep it consistent, please. Yes. Okay. 3643 03:18:48,745 --> 03:18:54,831 All right, I will amend my motion to allow the respondents, 3644 03:18:54,831 --> 03:18:58,028 Augustin A. Rojas and Sandra E. 3645 03:18:58,028 --> 03:19:02,361 Arango Carrillo, until November 2nd, 2026, 3646 03:19:02,361 --> 03:19:06,486 to bring their property into compliance, 3647 03:19:06,486 --> 03:19:13,397 and we will impose a fine of $100 per day beginning on 11/3/2026 if 3648 03:19:13,397 --> 03:19:17,420 they are found to be not in compliance. 3649 03:19:17,420 --> 03:19:17,842 Thank you. 3650 03:19:17,842 --> 03:19:18,785 Second the amendment. 3651 03:19:18,785 --> 03:19:24,892 Okay, I've got a motion by Ms. Smith and a second by Mr. Bock. All in favor say aye. 3652 03:19:24,892 --> 03:19:25,263 Aye. 3653 03:19:25,263 --> 03:19:29,753 Any opposed? Okay, the motion passes. Sorry, you understand, 90 days. 3654 03:19:29,753 --> 03:19:32,291 You do understand? Okay, about 90 days. 3655 03:19:32,291 --> 03:19:36,456 Keep working towards it and stay in close contact with the city. 3656 03:19:36,456 --> 03:19:39,450 They're going to help you work through it all. 3657 03:19:39,530 --> 03:19:43,780 You'll get the order in the mail, the order of today's findings. 3658 03:19:43,790 --> 03:19:47,513 Okay, thank you so much. Thank you guys. Thanks for coming in. Good luck. 3659 03:19:47,513 --> 03:19:51,390 All right, Mr. Cruz, what was that, uh, second number? All right, we got 29. 3660 03:19:51,390 --> 03:19:52,360 Thank you very much. 3661 03:19:52,360 --> 03:19:57,568 I haven't identified the page Yes, thank you. 3662 03:19:57,633 --> 03:20:02,039 Page 11, everybody. Agenda item number 29. It is— 3663 03:20:02,039 --> 03:20:04,955 Between 31 and 32. Oh yeah, it is. 3664 03:20:05,004 --> 03:20:05,872 That's an odd thing. 3665 03:20:05,872 --> 03:20:08,691 It is case number CER-26-00549, 3666 03:20:08,691 --> 03:20:14,146 Marlena Roman and Reyes Roman at 2185 Water Oak Drive North, 3667 03:20:14,146 --> 03:20:16,510 Clearwater, Florida 33764. 3668 03:20:16,510 --> 03:20:20,692 Um, I see the note as a repeat violation here. 3669 03:20:20,692 --> 03:20:24,420 And is this— what is this, a first order? 3670 03:20:24,420 --> 03:20:26,897 First, yes. 3671 03:20:26,897 --> 03:20:28,252 Yeah, first hearing, yes. 3672 03:20:28,252 --> 03:20:31,177 First order. Um, Semino, 3673 03:20:31,177 --> 03:20:33,615 thank you very much. 3674 03:20:33,615 --> 03:20:36,296 Whenever you're ready. 3675 03:20:36,296 --> 03:20:41,327 All right, Code Officer Sue Semino representing the City of Largo for case 3676 03:20:41,327 --> 03:20:41,735 representing the City of Largo for case number 3677 03:20:41,735 --> 03:20:46,018 CER 2600549. The respondents are Reyes Roman and Marlena Roman. 3678 03:20:46,018 --> 03:20:50,709 Property address is 2185 Water Oak Drive North, Largo, Florida 33764. 3679 03:20:50,709 --> 03:20:52,477 Homestead exemptions, yes. 3680 03:20:52,477 --> 03:20:57,848 The violations are COO 11-75, inoperable vehicles, and it's a repeat violation. 3681 03:20:57,848 --> 03:21:02,199 The initial inspection of the property was performed on 6/16/26. 3682 03:21:02,199 --> 03:21:04,782 The notice of violation dated 6/17/26. 3683 03:21:04,782 --> 03:21:10,085 The notice of violation compliance date It's a repeat, so when they called me, 3684 03:21:10,085 --> 03:21:15,456 that's when they were compliant. Uh, but the reinspection result was compliant. 3685 03:21:15,456 --> 03:21:20,623 The notice of— the notice of repeat violation was sent via certified mail to 3686 03:21:20,623 --> 03:21:20,827 violation was sent via certified mail to the 3687 03:21:20,827 --> 03:21:25,246 listed property owner and the Pinellas County Property Appraiser, 3688 03:21:25,246 --> 03:21:28,849 and the notice of hearing was posted on the property, 3689 03:21:28,849 --> 03:21:31,093 posted in the lobby of City Hall, 3690 03:21:31,093 --> 03:21:36,532 and sent via certified mail to the listed property owner and the Pinellas County 3691 03:21:36,532 --> 03:21:38,163 Property Appraiser. The— 3692 03:21:38,163 --> 03:21:42,515 this is the notice of hearing posted on the property on 7/15/26. 3693 03:21:42,515 --> 03:21:47,002 This is just the repeat notice of violation that was sent to them. 3694 03:21:47,002 --> 03:21:48,905 It's just a picture of this. 3695 03:21:48,905 --> 03:21:54,072 And this is just a picture of the inoperable vehicle with no tags visible on 3696 03:21:54,072 --> 03:21:54,276 inoperable vehicle with no tags visible on the 3697 03:21:54,276 --> 03:21:54,888 property. 3698 03:21:54,888 --> 03:21:56,210 Wow. $1,500. 3699 03:21:56,210 --> 03:22:01,192 And just another view of the vehicle parked on the property with no tag. 3700 03:22:01,192 --> 03:22:06,727 So the corrective action is all vehicles must be fully operable and have a valid 3701 03:22:06,727 --> 03:22:10,394 registration or stored in a fully enclosed structure. 3702 03:22:11,792 --> 03:22:11,889 sure. 3703 03:22:12,131 --> 03:22:17,801 Staff recommends the Code Enforcement Board impose a fine as a repeat violator 3704 03:22:17,801 --> 03:22:17,946 Board impose a fine as a repeat violator of 3705 03:22:17,946 --> 03:22:22,744 $500 per day beginning on June 17th, 2026 through June 27th, 2026. 3706 03:22:22,744 --> 03:22:28,559 The property was non-compliant for a total of 10 days, the total fine of $5,000. 3707 03:22:28,559 --> 03:22:31,394 And that is the end of my presentation. 3708 03:22:31,394 --> 03:22:36,177 Okay, hello there. Please state your first, last name, and address. 3709 03:22:37,098 --> 03:22:38,367 My name is Reyes Roman. 3710 03:22:39,266 --> 03:22:44,179 Address: 2185 Guadalupe Drive, North Clearwater. 3711 03:22:44,179 --> 03:22:48,157 My name is Jacqueline Roman, 2005 Briarwood Street, 3712 03:22:48,157 --> 03:22:52,448 Dunedin, Florida. I'm here to translate on behalf of my 3713 03:22:52,448 --> 03:22:52,994 father. 3714 03:22:52,994 --> 03:22:53,765 He's your father? Okay. 3715 03:22:53,765 --> 03:22:56,984 Could you say that one more time, your name? 3716 03:22:56,984 --> 03:23:01,520 Um, Jacqueline Roman, 2005 Briarwood Street, Dunedin, Florida. 3717 03:23:03,832 --> 03:23:06,014 And Jacqueline, were you guys sworn in this morning when you got here? 3718 03:23:06,014 --> 03:23:06,447 Yes. 3719 03:23:06,447 --> 03:23:10,277 You have been sworn in? Okay, perfect. Thank you. Um, Miss Gooch, you good? 3720 03:23:10,277 --> 03:23:10,941 You got that? 3721 03:23:10,941 --> 03:23:11,599 I got it. 3722 03:23:11,599 --> 03:23:13,316 Perfect. What would you like to say today? 3723 03:23:13,316 --> 03:23:15,033 Um, I would like, um— 3724 03:23:15,033 --> 03:23:19,190 Would you speak into the microphone, please? Thank you. 3725 03:23:19,190 --> 03:23:22,313 Um, I would like to, um, request, um, I'm— 3726 03:23:22,313 --> 03:23:26,255 we're being informed that this is a repeat violation. 3727 03:23:26,255 --> 03:23:31,981 The prior violations that we did have was during Hurricane Helene and Melton. 3728 03:23:31,981 --> 03:23:37,037 My parents had to evacuate. They were— they weren't in the property. 3729 03:23:37,037 --> 03:23:42,392 It was a process where we had to change titles and everything like that. 3730 03:23:42,392 --> 03:23:47,895 And so that repeat violation that occurred for an extended period of time— 3731 03:23:47,895 --> 03:23:51,985 this violation, as soon as we were brought aware of it, 3732 03:23:51,985 --> 03:23:54,216 we addressed it within a week. 3733 03:23:54,216 --> 03:23:58,083 But I do understand that this is a repeat violation, 3734 03:23:58,083 --> 03:24:01,726 and that's why we're looking at such hefty fines. 3735 03:24:01,726 --> 03:24:07,973 And, um, and I would like to be considered that the prior violations of the vehicles 3736 03:24:07,973 --> 03:24:12,732 with unoperations were during those storms and those hurricanes. 3737 03:24:12,732 --> 03:24:15,112 And so that issue was addressed. 3738 03:24:15,112 --> 03:24:19,499 And, um, it's not that during those times it was craziness, 3739 03:24:19,499 --> 03:24:24,928 and now because of that We're, we're looking at repeat violations status. 3740 03:24:24,928 --> 03:24:29,252 Okay, um, you can go ahead. 3741 03:24:29,252 --> 03:24:32,718 He said, oh, it's— we've never had these types of issues before. 3742 03:24:32,718 --> 03:24:36,826 Okay, uh, so typically since it is a repeat violation, we can— 3743 03:24:36,826 --> 03:24:40,801 she's asking us to look back at the previous, previous case. 3744 03:24:40,801 --> 03:24:45,770 Obviously we're okay to discuss the previous case even though it's separate 3745 03:24:45,770 --> 03:24:46,035 previous case even though it's separate here 3746 03:24:46,035 --> 03:24:51,137 today, right, Miss The dates, to see if the dates fall in the hurricane zone, 3747 03:24:51,137 --> 03:24:54,450 as they're alleging. I just want to speak to that. 3748 03:24:54,450 --> 03:24:59,551 Do you know during that first violation that is establishing this as a repeat 3749 03:24:59,551 --> 03:25:02,798 violation, was anyone here during those hearings? 3750 03:25:02,798 --> 03:25:06,596 No, no, we weren't. We weren't here through all 3751 03:25:06,596 --> 03:25:08,293 those. There was, um, 3752 03:25:08,293 --> 03:25:10,879 the property had several issues. 3753 03:25:11,072 --> 03:25:11,345 We had— 3754 03:25:11,345 --> 03:25:13,273 Was anyone here at the hearing? 3755 03:25:13,546 --> 03:25:14,894 No, no, no one was here. 3756 03:25:14,894 --> 03:25:18,776 And the reason for that is because we didn't have any hearings for, you know, 3757 03:25:18,776 --> 03:25:19,532 a little while. 3758 03:25:19,532 --> 03:25:23,404 Um, um, just they relocated for over a year and a half. 3759 03:25:23,404 --> 03:25:26,713 Um, their house was completely a complete loss. 3760 03:25:26,713 --> 03:25:31,922 And so, um, through rehab and through everything, just I'm in a different— 3761 03:25:31,922 --> 03:25:34,808 I'm in Dunedin and they're in Clearwater, 3762 03:25:34,808 --> 03:25:38,821 and I didn't have access to the mail and stuff like that. 3763 03:25:38,821 --> 03:25:43,608 So we had— we've not— we haven't been here in front of you guys, um, 3764 03:25:43,608 --> 03:25:46,072 in reference to that property ever. 3765 03:25:46,072 --> 03:25:50,756 And when did you— when did you learn about the first violation? 3766 03:25:50,756 --> 03:25:57,423 Um, no, I was informed by, um, our, our agent that this is a repeat violation, 3767 03:25:57,423 --> 03:26:03,492 and as of the day that they inspected it, that was the day it occurred, 3768 03:26:03,492 --> 03:26:04,774 that $500 fine. 3769 03:26:04,774 --> 03:26:10,187 So you're testifying that you didn't even realize that you had this violation? No. 3770 03:26:10,187 --> 03:26:12,762 What about your parents? Did they know? 3771 03:26:12,762 --> 03:26:14,561 I misspoke. Okay, I did. 3772 03:26:14,561 --> 03:26:19,284 We did realize we had a violation, um, with another automobile. 3773 03:26:19,284 --> 03:26:23,482 I believe it was also a Mercedes-Benz, um, a silver one. 3774 03:26:23,482 --> 03:26:27,830 And so when that was, um, brought to second or third time, 3775 03:26:27,830 --> 03:26:33,827 that was when I was made aware that, you know, this vehicle has no registration. 3776 03:26:33,827 --> 03:26:39,149 has no plates, it needs to be removed, and we're already at that point. 3777 03:26:39,149 --> 03:26:44,921 And that's when the vehicle was removed, in, if I'm not mistaken, early 2025. 3778 03:26:44,921 --> 03:26:49,044 Okay, so yes, to answer your question, you may ask questions. 3779 03:26:49,044 --> 03:26:54,450 You may even ask the code officer to show you the previous case finding the same 3780 03:26:54,450 --> 03:26:59,722 code or code section violation. Repeat violators is a 5-year period, remember? 3781 03:26:59,722 --> 03:27:03,101 Another thing, they're contesting the fine amount. 3782 03:27:03,101 --> 03:27:07,561 So you want to focus on those 3 factors again, right? You're here. 3783 03:27:07,561 --> 03:27:11,886 Okay, what is the gravity about? You have an inoperable vehicle. 3784 03:27:11,886 --> 03:27:17,293 So determine the gravity of that. Do you have a previous violation? Yes, you do. 3785 03:27:17,293 --> 03:27:21,010 And then you can, you know, ascertain facts as to that. 3786 03:27:21,010 --> 03:27:21,269 Thank you. 3787 03:27:21,269 --> 03:27:25,088 And the steps taken to correct. They've already corrected the violation. 3788 03:27:25,088 --> 03:27:25,937 It took 10 days. 3789 03:27:26,428 --> 03:27:26,476 Right. 3790 03:27:26,476 --> 03:27:29,163 You have those facts, so apply them. 3791 03:27:29,163 --> 03:27:34,834 And then remember, um, use your, your, you know, obviously your fine amount, 3792 03:27:34,834 --> 03:27:38,566 the fine amount allowable. But there's no minimum. 3793 03:27:38,566 --> 03:27:41,476 There are maximum caps, but no minimum. 3794 03:27:41,476 --> 03:27:43,805 Okay. Thank you, Ms. Barrera. 3795 03:27:43,805 --> 03:27:47,608 Um, just to touch on that again, as I mentioned, 3796 03:27:47,608 --> 03:27:49,669 my parents were displaced. 3797 03:27:49,669 --> 03:27:53,631 Entire home was lost, and they're on fixed income. 3798 03:27:53,631 --> 03:27:57,355 And as everyone is at on these times, you know, 3799 03:27:57,355 --> 03:28:00,683 money is not readily available. All right. 3800 03:28:01,149 --> 03:28:04,733 I do have a couple of questions for the city. 3801 03:28:04,733 --> 03:28:10,946 Number one, if you could look and see if that original violation on the silver 3802 03:28:10,946 --> 03:28:16,044 Mercedes did occur on or around the period of Helene and Milton. 3803 03:28:16,044 --> 03:28:19,946 And then also, if the entire house was destroyed, 3804 03:28:19,946 --> 03:28:25,681 was that Was it destroyed by the hurricane? And how did that not come up 3805 03:28:25,681 --> 03:28:26,557 hurricane? And how did that not come up beforehand? 3806 03:28:26,557 --> 03:28:32,929 Which I find kind of interesting. There were— were there permits? Was it a demo? 3807 03:28:32,929 --> 03:28:34,363 Did they demolish? 3808 03:28:34,363 --> 03:28:37,919 It was a complete rehab. Everything got pulled out. 3809 03:28:37,919 --> 03:28:40,991 Obviously, you had a contractor and proper permitting, 3810 03:28:40,991 --> 03:28:43,779 so it wouldn't have come up before us in any way. 3811 03:28:45,088 --> 03:28:48,219 No, the house did come up, but we were not present. 3812 03:28:48,219 --> 03:28:52,210 But the permits and stuff like that, there was permits found, um, 3813 03:28:52,210 --> 03:28:56,877 not properly scoped. The job wasn't properly scoped, and so on and so forth. 3814 03:28:56,877 --> 03:29:01,175 The problems that everyone kind of gets into with the hurricane issue. 3815 03:29:01,175 --> 03:29:01,576 Mm-hmm. 3816 03:29:01,576 --> 03:29:07,157 And so we now, we found ourselves at the beginning of last month again repeating, 3817 03:29:07,157 --> 03:29:10,602 um, a repeat violation for a vehicle without tags. 3818 03:29:10,602 --> 03:29:14,668 And so I was just so wanting to, to discuss that, you know, 3819 03:29:14,668 --> 03:29:17,493 I do understand it is a repeat violation, 3820 03:29:17,493 --> 03:29:22,798 but it's a repeat violation under the circumstances of the first circumstance 3821 03:29:22,798 --> 03:29:23,074 circumstances of the first circumstance that 3822 03:29:23,074 --> 03:29:25,279 it was, it was a dire situation. 3823 03:29:25,279 --> 03:29:28,112 So that brings up a question for me is, 3824 03:29:28,112 --> 03:29:32,324 you're aware that you were cited for an inoperable vehicle 3825 03:29:32,324 --> 03:29:33,486 on the property? 3826 03:29:33,486 --> 03:29:34,177 The first time. 3827 03:29:34,177 --> 03:29:37,558 The first time, right? Why would you Do it again. 3828 03:29:37,558 --> 03:29:39,353 Why would you do it again? 3829 03:29:39,353 --> 03:29:42,527 And are you going to be here for a third time? 3830 03:29:42,527 --> 03:29:47,173 Yeah, we had just a family circumstance where, um, 3831 03:29:47,173 --> 03:29:51,168 it was insurance lapse and stuff like that. 3832 03:29:51,168 --> 03:29:52,097 And so we— 3833 03:29:52,097 --> 03:29:54,425 I'm sorry, I'm having a problem. 3834 03:29:54,425 --> 03:29:57,062 We had, um, a personal family lapse. 3835 03:29:57,062 --> 03:29:59,699 It was my brother's vehicle and, um, 3836 03:29:59,699 --> 03:30:05,266 he wasn't paying insurance and it was Something Dad kind of did to say, hey, 3837 03:30:05,266 --> 03:30:10,759 you know, I need you to play responsibly, because again, funds are limited. 3838 03:30:10,759 --> 03:30:15,740 And, and, um, it was an insurance tact within family, unfortunately. 3839 03:30:15,740 --> 03:30:21,380 And he chose to take those tags off of that vehicle so that my oldest brother 3840 03:30:21,380 --> 03:30:21,747 that vehicle so that my oldest brother could 3841 03:30:21,747 --> 03:30:27,167 cooperate with insurance kind of thing. And so that was an internal thing. 3842 03:30:27,167 --> 03:30:29,157 Yeah, I was gonna say To your point, 3843 03:30:29,157 --> 03:30:33,635 do you understand that he can take the tags off and put it in the garage where no 3844 03:30:33,635 --> 03:30:36,344 one can see it? Like, you know, I mean, we don't, 3845 03:30:36,344 --> 03:30:39,660 we don't want to bring people in as repeat violators, right? 3846 03:30:39,660 --> 03:30:42,535 But the fact in my— the fact remains that, you know, 3847 03:30:42,535 --> 03:30:47,068 you can't have an unregistered vehicle in the driveway, and then you did it again, 3848 03:30:47,068 --> 03:30:49,611 which is why you're here as a repeat violator. 3849 03:30:49,611 --> 03:30:51,967 Yes, it was definitely, um, a— 3850 03:30:52,288 --> 03:30:57,021 so just to get through Back on the previous case, it was opened in February 3851 03:30:57,021 --> 03:30:57,526 previous case, it was opened in February of 2025. 3852 03:30:57,526 --> 03:31:00,113 Um, it went to Code Board in May of 2025. 3853 03:31:00,113 --> 03:31:04,152 You gave them until June 13th, uh, 2025 to come into compliance. 3854 03:31:04,152 --> 03:31:06,486 They were in compliance by that date, 3855 03:31:06,486 --> 03:31:11,724 so there are no fines due on the previous case. Okay, thank you. I appreciate that. 3856 03:31:11,724 --> 03:31:14,379 Is it the same person, my brother, 3857 03:31:14,379 --> 03:31:18,909 for the 2 different vehicles or the 2 different instances? 3858 03:31:18,909 --> 03:31:19,575 Um, yes. 3859 03:31:19,854 --> 03:31:20,807 Why isn't he here? 3860 03:31:20,807 --> 03:31:25,916 Um, well, I mean, he can't— well, he pays insurance. 3861 03:31:25,916 --> 03:31:28,729 I know it's not— I know it's not his property. 3862 03:31:28,729 --> 03:31:30,300 He's not going to show up here. 3863 03:31:30,300 --> 03:31:34,468 I'm sorry. Guilty at this, and then they can come back and go for a reduction. 3864 03:31:34,468 --> 03:31:39,445 So based on the evidence, yeah, you can decide that yes, indeed, 3865 03:31:39,445 --> 03:31:42,711 they are repeat in violation of 1175. Yes. 3866 03:31:42,711 --> 03:31:48,466 And then Determine the appropriate fine amount given the factors: gravity, 3867 03:31:48,466 --> 03:31:51,187 previous violations, and, you know, 3868 03:31:51,187 --> 03:31:55,153 whether they corrected it and what steps they took, 3869 03:31:55,153 --> 03:31:58,808 how fast they took those steps to correct them. 3870 03:31:58,808 --> 03:32:05,107 So those are the things that you need to be thinking about and deliberating about 3871 03:32:05,107 --> 03:32:07,907 when you determine that fine amount. 3872 03:32:07,907 --> 03:32:12,339 But, yes, reduction— I don't want to be mistaken on this. 3873 03:32:12,339 --> 03:32:16,383 Mary, a reduction is available for repeat violators. 3874 03:32:16,383 --> 03:32:17,153 But it's limited. 3875 03:32:17,153 --> 03:32:17,458 Yeah. 3876 03:32:17,458 --> 03:32:18,695 Minimum $1,500. 3877 03:32:18,695 --> 03:32:21,656 Yeah, but you have the— exactly, your minimum amount, 3878 03:32:21,656 --> 03:32:23,556 it's going to be capped at $1,500. 3879 03:32:23,556 --> 03:32:27,076 Once again, that's just an option if you'd like to exercise it. 3880 03:32:27,076 --> 03:32:30,442 Yes, and so that's what we're requesting, right? 3881 03:32:30,442 --> 03:32:34,719 Not be considered as a repeat violation, and because of this— 3882 03:32:34,719 --> 03:32:35,698 Okay, we understand. 3883 03:32:35,698 --> 03:32:36,613 —circumstances. 3884 03:32:36,613 --> 03:32:41,717 We understand the request. I'm gonna go ahead and close the public portion of 3885 03:32:41,717 --> 03:32:42,049 ahead and close the public portion of this. 3886 03:32:42,049 --> 03:32:44,833 We can still ask questions and everything, 3887 03:32:44,833 --> 03:32:48,876 but just wait until we address you in the form of a question. 3888 03:32:48,876 --> 03:32:50,467 What do we think, board? 3889 03:32:50,467 --> 03:32:56,488 Well, for the first violation, they did come into compliance. 3890 03:32:56,488 --> 03:32:57,276 In time. 3891 03:32:57,276 --> 03:33:03,276 So they did behave correctly in response to it, 3892 03:33:03,276 --> 03:33:09,915 so they got that handled. No, it's doing that again. 3893 03:33:09,915 --> 03:33:13,234 This is— I know, I'm just— 3894 03:33:13,654 --> 03:33:15,948 I'm here again and it's staring you in the face. 3895 03:33:15,948 --> 03:33:18,647 Yeah, I know. You gotta— I understand. 3896 03:33:18,647 --> 03:33:23,332 Guilty again. And then they can come back and look for a reduction, 3897 03:33:23,332 --> 03:33:26,269 which would be less than the $5,000 if we— 3898 03:33:26,594 --> 03:33:29,608 well, yeah, but if they grant it, what's gonna go? 3899 03:33:29,738 --> 03:33:31,035 You're gonna do it again a third time? 3900 03:33:31,366 --> 03:33:35,148 Right. So I think the question in front of us here today is, um, you know, 3901 03:33:35,148 --> 03:33:38,062 no one's disputing the fact that it's a repeat violation. 3902 03:33:38,062 --> 03:33:40,260 They did correct the action the first time. 3903 03:33:40,260 --> 03:33:43,837 They knew about the action the first time, allowed it to happen again. 3904 03:33:43,837 --> 03:33:47,262 So I think we just need to decide if we agree with the fine amount. 3905 03:33:48,225 --> 03:33:51,388 Um, you know, I'm willing to reduce it a little bit. 3906 03:33:51,388 --> 03:33:53,030 That's a 10-day violation. 3907 03:33:53,030 --> 03:33:56,945 So fines accrued for 10 days, which, as we see in front of us, 3908 03:33:56,945 --> 03:33:58,334 It comes up to $5,000. 3909 03:33:58,334 --> 03:34:03,449 So my guess is that they're going to be back in here for a request for reduction. 3910 03:34:03,449 --> 03:34:05,470 So do we want to— do we want to— 3911 03:34:05,470 --> 03:34:05,566 Yeah. 3912 03:34:05,566 --> 03:34:09,749 Circumvent that, reduce the fine amount today, and make it whatever? 3913 03:34:09,749 --> 03:34:14,362 Or do we want to go through the process of going with the recommended fine, 3914 03:34:14,362 --> 03:34:17,560 fining them $5,000, and then having them set up the— 3915 03:34:17,560 --> 03:34:21,127 going through the process to come back in for a reduction? 3916 03:34:21,127 --> 03:34:25,187 I mean, you know, that's what we're trying to decide, I feel like. 3917 03:34:25,332 --> 03:34:26,793 We made it easy for them last time. 3918 03:34:26,793 --> 03:34:30,679 Reduce it today, they're liable to come back and ask for reduction of the reduced 3919 03:34:30,679 --> 03:34:31,015 amount. 3920 03:34:31,015 --> 03:34:32,556 Yeah, because we made it easy. 3921 03:34:32,556 --> 03:34:33,584 Under RIMP violation. 3922 03:34:33,584 --> 03:34:38,111 But you're not, you're not, um, you're not reducing a fine today. 3923 03:34:38,111 --> 03:34:38,512 No, no. 3924 03:34:38,512 --> 03:34:41,229 This is the recommended fine and you're deciding what that— 3925 03:34:41,229 --> 03:34:43,255 this is just the recommendation of the city. 3926 03:34:43,255 --> 03:34:45,143 Forget that this is even in front of you. 3927 03:34:45,143 --> 03:34:45,705 Right, exactly. 3928 03:34:45,705 --> 03:34:47,214 You decide what the fine amount is. 3929 03:34:47,214 --> 03:34:47,631 Yeah. 3930 03:34:47,631 --> 03:34:50,813 You have caps, but you decide what the fine amount is. 3931 03:34:50,813 --> 03:34:54,760 This is just a recommendation. And that's why you have those slabs. 3932 03:34:54,760 --> 03:34:55,114 Yes. 3933 03:34:55,114 --> 03:34:58,377 But anyway, thanks. A day, $500? 3934 03:34:58,377 --> 03:35:00,145 Please, we're deliberating. Please. 3935 03:35:00,145 --> 03:35:00,868 I apologize. 3936 03:35:00,868 --> 03:35:06,331 I think $500 a day is excessive, and I'm willing to drop it. 3937 03:35:06,331 --> 03:35:07,809 That's the way we've set it up. 3938 03:35:07,809 --> 03:35:08,388 I understand. 3939 03:35:08,388 --> 03:35:11,009 And we made it easy the last time. 3940 03:35:11,009 --> 03:35:15,633 So, I mean, you have to go for it the way it is now and then 3941 03:35:15,633 --> 03:35:17,791 reduce it if they come back. 3942 03:35:18,670 --> 03:35:20,100 Mm-hmm. I'm with that. 3943 03:35:20,100 --> 03:35:23,660 But you can't do it the other way. You're putting the cart before the horse. 3944 03:35:23,660 --> 03:35:24,040 Yeah. 3945 03:35:24,040 --> 03:35:26,590 No, we're not. We decide how much we want to fine them. 3946 03:35:26,590 --> 03:35:27,720 Right, but there's— 3947 03:35:27,720 --> 03:35:29,880 it's an automatic. A repeat violator is automatic. 3948 03:35:29,880 --> 03:35:30,230 No, it's not. 3949 03:35:30,230 --> 03:35:32,060 It's not? 3950 03:35:32,060 --> 03:35:35,601 No, it's not. No, we decide how much we want to fine them per day based on— 3951 03:35:35,601 --> 03:35:38,340 we're not disputing the fact that it's a repeat violation. 3952 03:35:38,340 --> 03:35:41,440 Right, and the repeat violator says $500 a day. 3953 03:35:41,440 --> 03:35:42,420 No, there's no— 3954 03:35:42,420 --> 03:35:42,970 Isn't it $500? 3955 03:35:42,970 --> 03:35:44,260 You get to decide that. 3956 03:35:44,260 --> 03:35:47,486 That's just That's the cap. Yeah, I thought that changed. 3957 03:35:47,550 --> 03:35:49,171 There's no minimum, but that's the max. 3958 03:35:49,171 --> 03:35:52,092 You get to this, there's no minimum, so you can go lower. 3959 03:35:52,092 --> 03:35:57,857 Well, I would, I would like to see this stop. Yeah. Oh, great. 3960 03:35:57,857 --> 03:36:04,087 No, I mean, we want— I don't know, is there an incentive to comply? 3961 03:36:04,087 --> 03:36:07,993 And, you know, it's not under our purview. 3962 03:36:07,993 --> 03:36:14,130 But if this has to do with insurance, you know, that's a big deal. 3963 03:36:14,130 --> 03:36:19,895 that someone has a car that doesn't have insurance in my mind. 3964 03:36:19,895 --> 03:36:27,705 Well, so I like the idea of the $500 a day because somebody needs to step up and pay 3965 03:36:27,705 --> 03:36:30,588 attention to what to, you know. 3966 03:36:30,588 --> 03:36:32,627 I have a question for the respondent. 3967 03:36:32,627 --> 03:36:35,989 Was the car still insured but the brother just wasn't paying? 3968 03:36:36,342 --> 03:36:36,646 Correct. 3969 03:36:36,646 --> 03:36:39,982 Dad back for the amount of the insurance. Did insurance lapse on the car? 3970 03:36:39,982 --> 03:36:42,019 No, the car was, was still insured. 3971 03:36:42,019 --> 03:36:43,526 He just wasn't paying Dad his bills. 3972 03:36:43,526 --> 03:36:45,932 Exactly. And so Dad was saying— 3973 03:36:45,932 --> 03:36:48,755 Dad took the plate off the car and said you can't drive the car. 3974 03:36:48,755 --> 03:36:53,570 Grounded. So therefore you cannot drive the vehicle. 3975 03:36:53,570 --> 03:36:56,533 And so that's, um, and it was a, 3976 03:36:56,533 --> 03:37:01,532 a haste move to cause attention to my younger brother. 3977 03:37:01,532 --> 03:37:07,643 And so yes, it was Um, not done properly, and, um, now we're here. 3978 03:37:07,643 --> 03:37:10,884 And so he is— it's just $500. It's— 3979 03:37:10,884 --> 03:37:11,896 Understood. 3980 03:37:11,896 --> 03:37:13,020 It's $500. It's— 3981 03:37:13,020 --> 03:37:15,031 Okay, we— yep. Okay, thank you. 3982 03:37:15,031 --> 03:37:19,054 Yeah, so the car wasn't being driven around without insurance. 3983 03:37:19,054 --> 03:37:21,066 I just want to make that point. 3984 03:37:21,066 --> 03:37:25,868 I didn't want you to think that the insurance had lapsed on the car. Well, 3985 03:37:25,868 --> 03:37:26,257 insurance had lapsed on the car. Well, right. 3986 03:37:26,257 --> 03:37:28,528 So I don't see a safety issue here. 3987 03:37:28,528 --> 03:37:33,719 My opinion is that if we find them If we decide to fine them $500 a day, $5,000, 3988 03:37:33,719 --> 03:37:36,704 they're gonna come in and ask for a reduction, 3989 03:37:36,704 --> 03:37:41,635 and we get to add it to the agenda next time. Um, or we can address it here. 3990 03:37:41,635 --> 03:37:45,528 There is a minimum for a repeat violator from the reduction, 3991 03:37:45,528 --> 03:37:47,215 if we get to that process. 3992 03:37:47,215 --> 03:37:52,536 This board has a history of going ahead and allowing— and allowing for reductions. 3993 03:37:52,536 --> 03:37:52,745 Mm-hmm. 3994 03:37:53,697 --> 03:37:57,557 I've been here for a while. That tends to be the way that we go. Okay. 3995 03:37:57,557 --> 03:38:01,141 So why don't we discuss the $500 a day and bring that down a bit? 3996 03:38:01,141 --> 03:38:02,451 I have a question. 3997 03:38:02,451 --> 03:38:03,456 I do too. 3998 03:38:03,456 --> 03:38:04,397 Okay. 3999 03:38:04,397 --> 03:38:09,728 If we make it an affordable fine, would they be able to pay it today? 4000 03:38:09,728 --> 03:38:15,444 And that would be the end of it? That's a question for respondent. I know. 4001 03:38:15,444 --> 03:38:17,685 And I'm asking Ms. Gooch too. 4002 03:38:17,685 --> 03:38:22,165 I need to know if the city could accept the payment today. 4003 03:38:22,165 --> 03:38:24,792 Or, you know, it could— could you— 4004 03:38:24,792 --> 03:38:30,249 If it's an affordable fine, not $5,000, of course, yes, we want to be done with it. 4005 03:38:30,249 --> 03:38:30,380 I— 4006 03:38:30,974 --> 03:38:31,231 Mr.— 4007 03:38:31,312 --> 03:38:35,792 we do not wish to be here for another 4 hours. It's not— 4008 03:38:35,792 --> 03:38:38,955 Okay, I, I appreciate the answer. What do you mean last time? 4009 03:38:38,955 --> 03:38:40,770 We let them off the hook last time? 4010 03:38:40,770 --> 03:38:43,275 The last time they got fined for not having a car. 4011 03:38:43,275 --> 03:38:44,656 They never had— they've never been fined. 4012 03:38:44,656 --> 03:38:45,812 Oh, that's what I'm saying. 4013 03:38:46,069 --> 03:38:46,615 They complied. 4014 03:38:46,615 --> 03:38:50,973 They came into compliance in the time that we set at the first hearing for previous 4015 03:38:50,973 --> 03:38:52,601 case, not this case, obviously. 4016 03:38:52,601 --> 03:38:53,861 They've never had fines, 4017 03:38:53,861 --> 03:38:57,956 and then he pulled the plate off to punish his son for not paying him back for 4018 03:38:57,956 --> 03:38:58,481 insurance. 4019 03:38:59,250 --> 03:39:02,856 So why don't they put them in the garage? 4020 03:39:02,856 --> 03:39:05,820 We actually have a vehicle in the garage. 4021 03:39:05,820 --> 03:39:08,785 Does it have a plate on it? 4022 03:39:08,785 --> 03:39:10,034 No. 4023 03:39:10,034 --> 03:39:12,668 Okay, um, I can't make a motion. 4024 03:39:12,668 --> 03:39:18,593 My, my advice, or my position, is $500 is excessive, but— and the point— 4025 03:39:18,593 --> 03:39:22,790 we're not trying to make money off of these things. 4026 03:39:22,790 --> 03:39:29,210 The point of these fines is to encourage them to comply and to discourage from 4027 03:39:29,210 --> 03:39:30,938 repeating violations. 4028 03:39:30,938 --> 03:39:31,740 Understood. 4029 03:39:31,740 --> 03:39:34,546 Right? My question again— 4030 03:39:34,546 --> 03:39:35,267 Yeah, Mr. Buck, please. 4031 03:39:35,267 --> 03:39:36,815 My question again is, 4032 03:39:36,815 --> 03:39:40,723 if we reduce the fine and come up with a total today, 4033 03:39:40,723 --> 03:39:45,737 does that prevent them from coming in for a reduction in the future? 4034 03:39:46,749 --> 03:39:46,845 No. 4035 03:39:46,845 --> 03:39:52,426 Okay, then I think we should— I would be in favor of going along with this motion, 4036 03:39:52,426 --> 03:39:57,872 recommended motion, then let them come in for reduction and we'll face the issue 4037 03:39:57,872 --> 03:39:58,212 then. 4038 03:39:58,212 --> 03:40:02,919 However, if we impose a reasonable fine and they pay it now, 4039 03:40:02,919 --> 03:40:08,803 then they will not have to come back requesting a reduction, but it will be 4040 03:40:08,803 --> 03:40:09,431 requesting a reduction, but it will be forever— 4041 03:40:09,431 --> 03:40:15,472 well, for 5 years on the record that you're a repeat violator and we'll never 4042 03:40:15,472 --> 03:40:15,629 you're a repeat violator and we'll never be 4043 03:40:15,629 --> 03:40:20,964 able to concede or, you know, grant you this kind of leniency again. 4044 03:40:20,964 --> 03:40:21,535 We don't know that. 4045 03:40:21,535 --> 03:40:21,668 Right? 4046 03:40:21,668 --> 03:40:22,944 But that's an assumption. 4047 03:40:22,944 --> 03:40:28,897 Yes. I just— I'm— yeah. We're theorizing and discussing this. 4048 03:40:28,897 --> 03:40:34,653 I think the point that I'm sure you're understanding as well is that if you 4049 03:40:34,653 --> 03:40:38,721 determine a fine amount under the $1,500 minimum, um, 4050 03:40:38,721 --> 03:40:44,708 there's no reason for them to come to a reduction because just you've already, 4051 03:40:44,708 --> 03:40:50,004 you know, right, obviously the outstanding fine would be less, right? 4052 03:40:50,150 --> 03:40:52,295 Pay the permissible reduction. 4053 03:40:52,295 --> 03:40:58,471 What about $150 a day at $10 a day, which is $1,500 fine paid in 30 days, 4054 03:40:58,471 --> 03:41:05,578 and they wouldn't come in for a reduction because the minimum reduction for a repeat 4055 03:41:05,578 --> 03:41:07,186 violator is $1,500? 4056 03:41:08,480 --> 03:41:11,630 I propose we don't even go that high, frankly. 4057 03:41:11,630 --> 03:41:15,190 I'm willing to give them $50 a day, a total of $500. 4058 03:41:15,190 --> 03:41:16,491 Pay it and go home. 4059 03:41:16,491 --> 03:41:18,468 Mr. Buck? 4060 03:41:18,468 --> 03:41:23,870 Does anybody else— would anyone else agree with me? Thank you, Ms. Marsh. 4061 03:41:23,870 --> 03:41:25,720 Just polling, unofficial. 4062 03:41:25,720 --> 03:41:27,168 He's struggling over there. 4063 03:41:27,168 --> 03:41:30,086 How do you feel? 4064 03:41:30,086 --> 03:41:34,325 I mean, it's— my parents would have whipped my family. 4065 03:41:34,325 --> 03:41:36,209 Granted. If it was that, 4066 03:41:36,209 --> 03:41:38,878 he wouldn't be in so much trouble. 4067 03:41:39,450 --> 03:41:40,257 He was just raised different. 4068 03:41:40,257 --> 03:41:44,767 I understand it. And it's, it's like, it was his way of grounding the kid, 4069 03:41:44,767 --> 03:41:46,778 taking his wings so he can't fly. 4070 03:41:46,778 --> 03:41:48,847 That's not within our purview. 4071 03:41:48,847 --> 03:41:49,921 Right. I agree. 4072 03:41:49,921 --> 03:41:51,498 They can still come in for a reduction. 4073 03:41:51,498 --> 03:41:54,762 Yeah, that's true. That's true. 4074 03:41:54,762 --> 03:41:59,057 All right, I won't take the, the board's time again, and I my time, 4075 03:41:59,057 --> 03:42:00,723 and your time is valuable. 4076 03:42:00,723 --> 03:42:05,082 And I would really appreciate to, to be— close us, our chapter down, 4077 03:42:05,082 --> 03:42:09,826 if that were something that you would be willing to move forward to. Okay. 4078 03:42:09,826 --> 03:42:13,031 I don't want to take any more of the board's time. 4079 03:42:13,031 --> 03:42:16,056 I appreciate that. I'm— I agree with that. 4080 03:42:16,056 --> 03:42:20,377 Um, okay, I'm looking for a motion if someone feels strongly 4081 03:42:20,377 --> 03:42:22,393 enough about their position. 4082 03:42:22,393 --> 03:42:25,095 I'll make the motion and then probably get shot down. 4083 03:42:25,095 --> 03:42:27,603 Yeah, I want to have a successful motion too. 4084 03:42:27,603 --> 03:42:31,783 So, all right, maybe we should, you know, open up our minds and let's just— 4085 03:42:31,783 --> 03:42:39,052 I'm moving case number CER 26-00549 for the property located at 2185 Water Oak 4086 03:42:39,052 --> 03:42:39,518 the property located at 2185 Water Oak Drive 4087 03:42:39,518 --> 03:42:42,127 North, Largo, Florida 33764, 4088 03:42:42,127 --> 03:42:49,583 and to find the respondents Reyes Roman and Marlena Roman in repeat violation of 4089 03:42:49,583 --> 03:42:49,862 and Marlena Roman in repeat violation of the 4090 03:42:49,862 --> 03:42:54,243 City of Largo Code of Ordinances Section 11-75. 4091 03:42:54,243 --> 03:43:01,605 The respondents were out of compliance for a total of 10 days beginning on June 4092 03:43:01,605 --> 03:43:08,035 17th, 2026 through June 27th, 2026, with a daily fine of $50 per day. 4093 03:43:08,035 --> 03:43:14,093 The respondents have failed to pay the total fine amount of $500, 4094 03:43:14,093 --> 03:43:18,100 and we accept the affidavit of— Compliance. 4095 03:43:20,770 --> 03:43:21,011 Compliance. 4096 03:43:21,011 --> 03:43:22,105 Non-compliance. 4097 03:43:22,105 --> 03:43:22,926 No, they're— 4098 03:43:22,942 --> 03:43:24,842 no, they're— affidavit of compliance. 4099 03:43:24,906 --> 03:43:25,373 They haven't paid. 4100 03:43:25,373 --> 03:43:29,480 Wait a second. If they've— wait a second, Miss Carrera, we'll clear it up for us. 4101 03:43:32,480 --> 03:43:33,775 Did the motion read correctly? 4102 03:43:33,775 --> 03:43:35,557 Yeah, the affidavit of compliance. 4103 03:43:35,557 --> 03:43:36,415 Okay, correct. 4104 03:43:36,415 --> 03:43:40,729 I'll second. Okay, I've got a motion by Miss 4105 03:43:40,729 --> 03:43:43,671 Smith, a second by Miss Marsh. 4106 03:43:43,671 --> 03:43:45,730 All in favor say aye. 4107 03:43:46,770 --> 03:43:46,786 Aye. 4108 03:43:46,786 --> 03:43:47,157 Aye. 4109 03:43:47,157 --> 03:43:50,836 All opposed? No. 4110 03:43:50,836 --> 03:43:51,546 No. 4111 03:43:51,546 --> 03:43:52,643 Who said aye over here? 4112 03:43:52,643 --> 03:43:56,057 I'm sorry. So we've got Mr. Bach is a no. 4113 03:43:56,057 --> 03:43:56,889 Yes. 4114 03:43:56,889 --> 03:44:01,820 Ms. Hoskin is a no. Ms. Soffarelli is a no. I'm a yes. 4115 03:44:01,820 --> 03:44:02,400 Yes. 4116 03:44:02,400 --> 03:44:03,269 Yes. Yes. 4117 03:44:03,269 --> 03:44:04,622 So tied. You're tied. 4118 03:44:04,622 --> 03:44:05,170 Oh boy. 4119 03:44:05,170 --> 03:44:05,878 3 to 3. 4120 03:44:05,878 --> 03:44:08,568 You're tied. The motion fails. 4121 03:44:08,568 --> 03:44:12,998 Um, okay. We need to deliberate more. 4122 03:44:12,998 --> 03:44:18,239 What if I jack it up to $75 a day? Would you all agree to that? 4123 03:44:18,239 --> 03:44:19,463 Who knows? What, what do you like? 4124 03:44:19,463 --> 03:44:20,880 Yeah, I'll do it. 4125 03:44:20,880 --> 03:44:21,862 Was the amount not enough? 4126 03:44:21,862 --> 03:44:22,699 I like $250. 4127 03:44:22,699 --> 03:44:24,846 That's still too high, I think. 4128 03:44:24,846 --> 03:44:25,646 $2,500? Okay. 4129 03:44:25,646 --> 03:44:33,022 And then if they come in for a reduction, it would still be lower to pay this, 4130 03:44:33,022 --> 03:44:33,589 right? 4131 03:44:33,589 --> 03:44:37,498 If they come in for a reduction and we've given a reduction, 4132 03:44:37,498 --> 03:44:40,626 I'll tell you right now, I'll vote No, but that— 4133 03:44:40,626 --> 03:44:41,456 well, that's not— 4134 03:44:41,504 --> 03:44:43,222 that's not in front of us today. 4135 03:44:43,222 --> 03:44:46,013 So I know we're, we're thinking about the reduction, 4136 03:44:46,013 --> 03:44:48,697 but that's really not in front of us today, right? 4137 03:44:48,697 --> 03:44:50,469 So when you remember the factors, 4138 03:44:50,469 --> 03:44:54,495 I say them and I know I sound like a broken record, but they're there for a 4139 03:44:54,495 --> 03:44:54,871 broken record, but they're there for a reason. 4140 03:44:54,871 --> 03:44:56,812 All right. And yes, and the gravity— 4141 03:44:56,812 --> 03:45:00,262 What is the gravity of an inoperable vehicle? Exactly right. 4142 03:45:00,262 --> 03:45:03,885 Do you have repeat violations? Yes, we have a repeat violation. 4143 03:45:03,885 --> 03:45:06,646 What are the gravity of those repeat violations? 4144 03:45:06,646 --> 03:45:09,809 And then did they correct the violation? Yes, they did. 4145 03:45:09,809 --> 03:45:11,534 So they're there for a reason. 4146 03:45:11,534 --> 03:45:13,170 I don't think it's enough. 4147 03:45:13,170 --> 03:45:15,671 Okay, that motion, nobody liked it. You want to try a new one? 4148 03:45:15,671 --> 03:45:22,751 Okay, I'm going to make a new motion in case number CER 26-00549 for the property 4149 03:45:22,751 --> 03:45:27,995 located at 2185 Water Oak Drive North, Largo, Florida 33774, 4150 03:45:27,995 --> 03:45:34,987 and to find the respondents Reyes Roman and Marlena Roman In repeat violation of 4151 03:45:34,987 --> 03:45:39,533 the City of Largo Code of Ordinances, Section 11-75. 4152 03:45:39,533 --> 03:45:44,952 The respondents were out of compliance for a total of 10 days, 4153 03:45:44,952 --> 03:45:50,546 which began on June 17th, 2026, and ran through June 27th, 2026, 4154 03:45:50,546 --> 03:45:52,731 with a daily fine of $75. 4155 03:45:52,731 --> 03:45:58,412 The respondents have failed to pay the total fine amount of $750. 4156 03:45:58,412 --> 03:45:58,719 Second. 4157 03:45:59,246 --> 03:46:01,896 And the board accepts the affidavit of compliance. 4158 03:46:01,896 --> 03:46:05,840 Before it gets seconded, um, you said the zip code wrong. 4159 03:46:05,840 --> 03:46:10,815 33764. Thank you. 4160 03:46:10,815 --> 03:46:12,706 I'll second that. 4161 03:46:12,706 --> 03:46:13,222 Okay. 4162 03:46:13,222 --> 03:46:13,849 Question? 4163 03:46:13,849 --> 03:46:14,604 Sure. 4164 03:46:16,581 --> 03:46:23,113 Minimum repeated violation, is there not a minimum of $1,500, or am I incorrect? 4165 03:46:23,113 --> 03:46:23,519 That's correct. 4166 03:46:23,519 --> 03:46:24,477 It could be reduced, yes. 4167 03:46:24,477 --> 03:46:24,965 Yeah. 4168 03:46:25,060 --> 03:46:25,663 For reduction. 4169 03:46:25,663 --> 03:46:26,560 For reduction. 4170 03:46:26,560 --> 03:46:27,490 For reduction. 4171 03:46:27,490 --> 03:46:29,577 Yes, $1,500 for repayment. 4172 03:46:29,577 --> 03:46:30,752 We're not here for reduction. 4173 03:46:30,752 --> 03:46:32,509 No. 4174 03:46:32,509 --> 03:46:37,503 Okay, I've got a motion by Ms. Smith, a second by Ms. Marsh. All in favor say aye. 4175 03:46:37,503 --> 03:46:38,167 Aye. 4176 03:46:38,167 --> 03:46:39,416 Aye. 4177 03:46:39,416 --> 03:46:41,098 All opposed? 4178 03:46:41,098 --> 03:46:41,615 No. 4179 03:46:41,615 --> 03:46:42,408 I'm a no. 4180 03:46:42,408 --> 03:46:44,899 Okay, 2 nos. Motion passes. 4181 03:46:44,899 --> 03:46:46,225 Motion passes. 4182 03:46:46,225 --> 03:46:46,969 Thank you. 4183 03:46:46,969 --> 03:46:48,880 $750. 4184 03:46:48,880 --> 03:46:49,997 Get it done. 4185 03:46:51,160 --> 03:46:52,161 Is the total amount. 4186 03:46:52,161 --> 03:46:52,900 Go see Ms. Goode. 4187 03:46:52,900 --> 03:46:55,439 See Ms. Goode. She'll bring you up to speed. 4188 03:46:55,439 --> 03:46:58,787 Keep those license plates on or get the car in the garage. 4189 03:46:58,787 --> 03:46:59,350 Yeah. 4190 03:46:59,350 --> 03:47:00,494 Thank you. 4191 03:47:00,494 --> 03:47:02,507 Own the car in the garage. 4192 03:47:03,119 --> 03:47:05,293 Please. No more. 4193 03:47:05,293 --> 03:47:09,675 Okay. Mr. Cruz, was that— do we have one more? 4194 03:47:09,675 --> 03:47:10,658 We have one more. 4195 03:47:10,658 --> 03:47:11,367 Yes, sir. 4196 03:47:11,367 --> 03:47:12,849 Well, I meant that are signed in. 4197 03:47:12,849 --> 03:47:14,025 Oh, oh, pardon me. 4198 03:47:14,025 --> 03:47:15,104 One more. 4199 03:47:15,104 --> 03:47:15,779 Page 9. 4200 03:47:15,779 --> 03:47:16,588 Thank you so much. 4201 03:47:16,782 --> 03:47:21,316 21, page 9. Boy, how do you keep track of all that? She's good at the rest. 4202 03:47:21,316 --> 03:47:25,649 21. 4203 03:47:25,649 --> 03:47:28,004 Agenda item number 21. 4204 03:47:28,004 --> 03:47:34,426 Agenda item number 21, that is case number CEC-26-00101, um, 4205 03:47:34,426 --> 03:47:41,383 Venture Pursuits LLC at 351 West Bay Drive, Largo, Florida 33770. 4206 03:47:41,383 --> 03:47:49,410 This is CS— or excuse me, we've got— whoa, hi! What are you doing here, Mr. 4207 03:47:49,410 --> 03:47:49,530 Bergeron? 4208 03:47:49,530 --> 03:47:54,903 Yes, that's why it threw me off. Yes, good afternoon, code board. Hello, sir. 4209 03:47:54,903 --> 03:47:58,323 Okay, Case Bergeron, Community Standards Manager. 4210 03:47:58,323 --> 03:48:01,603 Uh, today I'll be going over case CEC-26-00101. 4211 03:48:01,603 --> 03:48:04,604 Uh, the respondent is Ventures Pursuit LLC. 4212 03:48:04,604 --> 03:48:09,000 The address is at 351 West Bay Drive, Largo, Florida 33776. 70. 4213 03:48:09,000 --> 03:48:13,117 Uh, this is a commercial property, so it's not homesteaded, 4214 03:48:13,117 --> 03:48:18,212 and the violation is the Code of Ordinances, um, Chapter 23, Section, uh, 4215 03:48:18,212 --> 03:48:18,491 Ordinances, um, Chapter 23, Section, uh, 215, 4216 03:48:18,491 --> 03:48:20,375 which is illicit discharge. 4217 03:48:20,375 --> 03:48:22,206 So 700— 4218 03:48:22,206 --> 03:48:27,061 Uh, the case summary: this initial inspection was on June 9th, 2026. 4219 03:48:27,061 --> 03:48:30,916 The notice of violation was issued on June 10th, 2026. 4220 03:48:30,916 --> 03:48:33,629 This is an irreparable, uh, violation, 4221 03:48:33,629 --> 03:48:39,341 and all notices were sent via certified mail to the listed property owner in the 4222 03:48:39,341 --> 03:48:41,839 Pinellas County Property Appraisal. 4223 03:48:41,839 --> 03:48:47,051 Um, this is the notice of violation, which was posted on June 10th, 2026, 4224 03:48:47,051 --> 03:48:51,549 and the notice of hearing, which was posted on July 15th, 2026. 4225 03:48:51,549 --> 03:48:52,895 He's not going to be hearing. 4226 03:48:52,895 --> 03:48:56,005 Next, we have, um, body cam footage from Largo PD, 4227 03:48:56,005 --> 03:49:00,795 which initially responded to a noise complaint, um, when there were some, uh, 4228 03:49:00,795 --> 03:49:04,651 handymen pressure washing some And it's to be made out Monday. 4229 03:49:04,651 --> 03:49:07,139 Unfortunately, the sound is not working, 4230 03:49:07,139 --> 03:49:10,062 but you can see if you sort of look behind the, 4231 03:49:10,062 --> 03:49:14,603 the van on the sort of upper right-hand side, you'll see some of the, um, 4232 03:49:14,603 --> 03:49:19,144 water from the pressure washers, um, shooting out behind it occasionally. 4233 03:49:19,144 --> 03:49:23,871 And the officer will eventually make her way over to speak to the gentleman. 4234 03:49:23,871 --> 03:49:26,903 What do we look— 4235 03:49:26,903 --> 03:49:32,494 what's the timestamp on that? It is 4:45 in the morning. In the morning? Yes. 4236 03:49:32,494 --> 03:49:35,036 The original complaint— next slide— 4237 03:49:35,036 --> 03:49:40,264 the original call from the complainant was about at 3:30 in the morning. 4238 03:49:40,264 --> 03:49:43,532 What were they discharging? Pressure washing. 4239 03:49:43,532 --> 03:49:56,641 In the middle of the night. Okay. 4240 03:49:59,641 --> 03:49:59,690 Ooh. 4241 03:49:59,690 --> 03:50:03,453 And you can see the pressure washer hooked up to the unit there behind them. 4242 03:50:03,453 --> 03:50:05,780 And then you can see at the bottom right there, 4243 03:50:05,780 --> 03:50:21,105 they are pressure washing what looks to be some type of metal grates. 4244 03:50:24,105 --> 03:50:24,891 Is that a restaurant? 4245 03:50:24,891 --> 03:50:29,227 Yeah, it's Aroma, right across the street. 4246 03:50:29,227 --> 03:50:35,232 So they're cleaning their grills to the stove on the streets. 4247 03:50:35,232 --> 03:50:38,875 And this is just a copy of the, um, event report from Largo Police Department. 4248 03:50:38,875 --> 03:50:42,612 Um, it summarizes basically saying that they observed them pressure washing some 4249 03:50:42,612 --> 03:50:42,705 they observed them pressure washing some of 4250 03:50:42,705 --> 03:50:46,142 the metal grate Yes. And it was spreading out in the street. 4251 03:50:49,142 --> 03:50:50,078 This was the following morning. 4252 03:50:50,337 --> 03:50:52,795 I went out and took some photos. 4253 03:50:52,795 --> 03:50:57,710 You can clearly see there's some discharge other than rainwater. 4254 03:50:57,710 --> 03:51:01,628 That's— this is in the parking lot of 331 West Bay. 4255 03:51:01,628 --> 03:51:04,546 This is now along First Ave Southwest. 4256 03:51:04,546 --> 03:51:10,768 More of that discharge from the pressure washing going along First Ave Southwest. 4257 03:51:10,768 --> 03:51:12,765 More additional discharge. 4258 03:51:12,765 --> 03:51:17,757 This was the following day when I posted the Notice of Violation. 4259 03:51:17,757 --> 03:51:23,825 Once again, there's still some residue and leftover from that pressure washing. 4260 03:51:23,825 --> 03:51:26,667 And that storm drain down there? Yes. 4261 03:51:26,667 --> 03:51:32,274 And the corrective action, due to the reparable nature of this violation, 4262 03:51:32,274 --> 03:51:35,346 there is no corrective action available. 4263 03:51:35,346 --> 03:51:39,690 Might this have been related to that air conditioning? 4264 03:51:39,690 --> 03:51:43,069 Installed that he was here for last month? 4265 03:51:43,069 --> 03:51:47,469 It's potential because I do believe the initial complaint from the resident, 4266 03:51:47,469 --> 03:51:52,043 they said there were people up on the roof. I don't know if that was related or 4267 03:51:52,043 --> 03:51:52,274 roof. I don't know if that was related or not. 4268 03:51:52,274 --> 03:51:56,906 And then the staff recommendation is to impose a one-time fine of $10,000 due to 4269 03:51:56,906 --> 03:51:57,079 impose a one-time fine of $10,000 due to the 4270 03:51:57,079 --> 03:52:00,206 irreparable nature of the illicit discharge violation. 4271 03:52:00,206 --> 03:52:02,406 And these are the factors to consider, 4272 03:52:02,406 --> 03:52:05,127 which Attorney Kurer has mentioned a few times. 4273 03:52:05,127 --> 03:52:09,932 today, the gravity, the actions taken by the violator, and any previous violations. 4274 03:52:09,932 --> 03:52:14,506 And I will mention that we have had a similar issue where they were discharging 4275 03:52:14,506 --> 03:52:17,921 materials other than stormwater into the stormwater system. 4276 03:52:17,921 --> 03:52:21,916 That was handled by our Environmental Services Department, so it was— 4277 03:52:21,916 --> 03:52:23,016 it did not come to— 4278 03:52:23,016 --> 03:52:25,617 Were they cleaning the grease traps? 4279 03:52:25,617 --> 03:52:30,699 I believe that was the previous complaint that our Environmental Services Department 4280 03:52:30,699 --> 03:52:35,357 Handled. Okay. And if you do need any further clarification, Brooke Driscoll, 4281 03:52:35,357 --> 03:52:38,019 who is our stormwater program administrator, 4282 03:52:38,019 --> 03:52:42,617 is here if you have any questions to understand the severity of that illicit 4283 03:52:42,617 --> 03:52:43,827 discharge violation. 4284 03:52:45,920 --> 03:52:50,206 Okay. Where it go— it went in the storm drains? Yes. Yes. 4285 03:52:52,349 --> 03:52:55,601 Okay. So for now, that's, that's all you have. 4286 03:52:55,601 --> 03:52:59,985 And what was The woman's name, I'm sorry, that— Brooke Crisco. 4287 03:52:59,985 --> 03:53:03,025 She's our stormwater program administrator. 4288 03:53:03,025 --> 03:53:08,256 Okay, so the board understands we have someone here that can speak to, um, 4289 03:53:08,256 --> 03:53:12,498 the severity of the grease going down, or whatever that was, 4290 03:53:12,498 --> 03:53:14,478 going down the storm drains. 4291 03:53:14,478 --> 03:53:18,154 Um, do we want to call her up now and hear that now, 4292 03:53:18,154 --> 03:53:20,912 or do you want to hear the respondents? 4293 03:53:20,912 --> 03:53:25,295 Okay, yeah, if you would let the city continue, please. Hello. 4294 03:53:25,295 --> 03:53:28,439 Good afternoon. My name is Brooke Driscoll, 4295 03:53:28,439 --> 03:53:31,801 Stormwater Program Administrator for the city, 4296 03:53:31,801 --> 03:53:37,284 and I'm here to provide additional information and answer any questions you 4297 03:53:37,284 --> 03:53:37,503 information and answer any questions you may 4298 03:53:37,503 --> 03:53:43,059 have. If these were the grease traps being rinsed and pressure washed in the 4299 03:53:43,059 --> 03:53:46,861 right-of-way, it is considered an illicit discharge. 4300 03:53:46,861 --> 03:53:52,856 We are required by Florida Department of Environmental Protection to enforce local 4301 03:53:52,856 --> 03:53:56,803 ordinances that only allow anything except stormwater, 4302 03:53:56,803 --> 03:54:00,605 or make anything except stormwater prohibited. Yeah. 4303 03:54:00,605 --> 03:54:04,991 And this was in our right-of-way, and if it ran to the east, 4304 03:54:04,991 --> 03:54:07,330 it does end up in a storm drain, 4305 03:54:07,330 --> 03:54:11,717 and that storm drain discharges to our downtown master pond. 4306 03:54:11,717 --> 03:54:14,787 And any problem that you have with grease, 4307 03:54:14,787 --> 03:54:20,708 that's going to combine with sediments vegetation that ends up in our storm sewer 4308 03:54:20,708 --> 03:54:24,656 systems. It can clog, cause flooding, flooding issues. 4309 03:54:24,656 --> 03:54:29,408 And then also on a water quality side, once it reaches that pond, 4310 03:54:29,408 --> 03:54:30,943 it'll create a sheen. 4311 03:54:30,943 --> 03:54:34,891 It can affect the wildlife, waterfowl, suffocate fish, 4312 03:54:34,891 --> 03:54:37,084 vegetation in the pond itself. 4313 03:54:37,084 --> 03:54:41,543 And the fact that that pond does discharge to a park as well, 4314 03:54:41,543 --> 03:54:45,930 it can cause odors and and not make the park very enjoyable. 4315 03:54:45,930 --> 03:54:50,462 So if you have any other questions regarding our requirements— 4316 03:54:50,462 --> 03:54:53,898 What do other restaurants do with their grease? 4317 03:54:53,898 --> 03:54:54,701 I'm sorry? 4318 03:54:54,701 --> 03:54:59,220 What do other restaurants or companies like this do with their grease? 4319 03:54:59,220 --> 03:55:01,995 There are companies that self-contain that, 4320 03:55:01,995 --> 03:55:06,901 and I believe the initial enforcement action through Environmental Services, 4321 03:55:06,901 --> 03:55:11,807 they do require certain steps on the sanitary sewer side to where they could 4322 03:55:11,807 --> 03:55:16,455 discharge either to the system or contain it and not discharge it to our 4323 03:55:16,455 --> 03:55:17,294 right-of-way. 4324 03:55:17,294 --> 03:55:21,400 Did you make any test of the quality of that discharge or what 4325 03:55:21,400 --> 03:55:25,373 contaminants might have been inside, been contained therein? 4326 03:55:25,373 --> 03:55:26,850 No tests were made. Okay. 4327 03:55:26,850 --> 03:55:31,990 So isn't there companies out there that buy the grease out of your grease traps? 4328 03:55:31,990 --> 03:55:34,817 Yes, they have. So you can make money on it? 4329 03:55:34,817 --> 03:55:36,533 They have holding tanks in the back, 4330 03:55:36,533 --> 03:55:40,155 and then there are companies that come by and pick it up, resell it, use it, 4331 03:55:40,155 --> 03:55:43,205 clean it. I mean, you can— it's biofuel. You can run cars on it. 4332 03:55:43,254 --> 03:55:44,191 Excuse me, one at a time. 4333 03:55:44,644 --> 03:55:45,032 Pardon me. 4334 03:55:46,746 --> 03:55:47,683 Any other questions for our— 4335 03:55:48,667 --> 03:55:53,731 I have a question. If, if, um, if something like this happens, 4336 03:55:53,731 --> 03:55:59,366 is the city responsible to any county or state agency if we don't act 4337 03:55:59,366 --> 03:56:00,101 properly? 4338 03:56:00,278 --> 03:56:05,405 Yes, we are permitted by the Florida Department of Environmental Protection to 4339 03:56:05,405 --> 03:56:09,218 enforce these ordinances, and that's why we're here today. 4340 03:56:09,218 --> 03:56:14,609 And also, it is our Public Works team that has to go out and clean up these spills 4341 03:56:14,609 --> 03:56:18,421 and get into the system to ensure that, you know, they're, 4342 03:56:18,421 --> 03:56:21,314 they're flowing freely and not contaminated. 4343 03:56:21,314 --> 03:56:24,206 Are we still operating under consent decree? 4344 03:56:24,206 --> 03:56:26,368 Can you speak into the microphone? 4345 03:56:26,368 --> 03:56:29,316 That's under a different permit. Okay. 4346 03:56:29,316 --> 03:56:34,282 I wondered if we were still operating under a, a consent decree. 4347 03:56:34,282 --> 03:56:39,325 That's related to wastewater, and we're talking about stormwater, 4348 03:56:39,325 --> 03:56:44,911 so 2 different permits. I'm not familiar enough to answer that question. 4349 03:56:44,911 --> 03:56:45,346 Okay. 4350 03:56:45,346 --> 03:56:50,425 Any other questions for the city before I turn to the, uh, respondent? 4351 03:56:50,425 --> 03:56:51,282 Let's see what he says. 4352 03:56:51,282 --> 03:56:52,866 Hello, sir. 4353 03:56:52,866 --> 03:56:53,577 Hi, sir, how are you doing? 4354 03:56:53,577 --> 03:56:59,329 Great. Please state your name and address and relationship to, um, the LLC? 4355 03:56:59,329 --> 03:57:01,011 Uh, my name is Gautam Patel. 4356 03:57:01,011 --> 03:57:04,193 Um, I'm nowhere concerned with this Pursuit Ventures, 4357 03:57:04,193 --> 03:57:06,656 but I am the owner of A Romanian Cuisine. 4358 03:57:06,656 --> 03:57:11,340 Unfortunately, the owner is not available today, so I'm, I'm representing him. 4359 03:57:11,340 --> 03:57:11,950 Okay. 4360 03:57:11,950 --> 03:57:13,539 But I'm— I own this restaurant. Yeah. 4361 03:57:13,539 --> 03:57:17,746 Restaurant owner. Well, I remember seeing you here before. 4362 03:57:17,746 --> 03:57:19,528 Yeah, you were both here last month. 4363 03:57:19,962 --> 03:57:24,703 I don't have a letter of authorization. From this property owner. Ms. 4364 03:57:24,703 --> 03:57:26,901 Gooch, did I miss anything that— 4365 03:57:26,901 --> 03:57:28,523 No. That you're aware of? 4366 03:57:28,523 --> 03:57:33,134 And they— the property owner was here last time with us. 4367 03:57:33,134 --> 03:57:34,950 Yes, it was a different case. 4368 03:57:34,950 --> 03:57:39,143 Oh yeah, I recall that, but it was still related to the restaurant. 4369 03:57:39,143 --> 03:57:39,657 That's right. 4370 03:57:39,657 --> 03:57:40,412 That he owns. 4371 03:57:40,412 --> 03:57:40,766 Yes. 4372 03:57:40,766 --> 03:57:42,179 And the— yes. 4373 03:57:42,179 --> 03:57:43,577 And do we want to hear what he has to say? 4374 03:57:43,577 --> 03:57:43,866 Yes. 4375 03:57:43,866 --> 03:57:45,425 Do we want to hear what he has to say? 4376 03:57:45,425 --> 03:57:46,758 I'm willing to listen. 4377 03:57:46,758 --> 03:57:49,505 Yeah. Okay. Thank you, sir. Yeah, thanks for coming in. 4378 03:57:51,063 --> 03:57:52,047 Would you like— am I allowed to say? 4379 03:57:52,047 --> 03:57:52,869 Yes. Yeah. 4380 03:57:52,869 --> 03:57:54,610 Okay, so they are very confused. 4381 03:57:54,610 --> 03:57:57,329 First of all, with respectfully, with due respect, 4382 03:57:57,329 --> 03:58:00,538 I'm telling them they're trying to join 2 cases separately. 4383 03:58:00,538 --> 03:58:05,107 Okay, so I have some pictures which I can send it to somebody and then they can show 4384 03:58:05,107 --> 03:58:06,739 you on the TV if you allow me. 4385 03:58:06,739 --> 03:58:11,628 Yeah, definitely. If you have something you want to submit, um, yeah, 4386 03:58:11,628 --> 03:58:13,612 if you can email them to Ms. 4387 03:58:13,612 --> 03:58:18,997 Gooch's Do you want him to email the photos to you so we can see them on the 4388 03:58:18,997 --> 03:58:19,493 photos to you so we can see them on the screen? 4389 03:58:19,493 --> 03:58:20,135 Yes. 4390 03:58:20,135 --> 03:58:25,086 Um, to me it would be easier. Oh, Mr. Bergeron, send those to Mr. Bergeron. 4391 03:58:25,086 --> 03:58:27,859 You may have his email address. I'm sorry? 4392 03:58:27,859 --> 03:58:28,950 He's more techie. 4393 03:58:28,950 --> 03:58:29,593 Ah, got it. 4394 03:58:29,593 --> 03:58:42,961 Um, can you please put the email? Thank you so much. 4395 03:58:45,961 --> 03:58:46,786 Thank you. 4396 03:58:46,786 --> 03:58:48,493 So there are 2 things. 4397 03:58:48,493 --> 03:58:54,931 One, you will see the pictures of an area which is in the premise of this property, 4398 03:58:54,931 --> 03:58:58,111 but the other one which you were showing, 4399 03:58:58,111 --> 03:59:03,463 unfortunately you're not able to hear the sound, that is the company, 4400 03:59:03,463 --> 03:59:06,023 and company name is Hood Express. 4401 03:59:06,023 --> 03:59:11,298 So I own the restaurant, but we do every 2 months the hood cleaning. 4402 03:59:11,298 --> 03:59:14,478 If hood is not getting cleaned, then the— 4403 03:59:14,478 --> 03:59:16,148 So you're saying hood cleaning? 4404 03:59:16,148 --> 03:59:19,521 Yeah, that's hoods for the hood in there, because the ovens, 4405 03:59:19,521 --> 03:59:22,781 if hood will not get cleaned in 60 days or 70 days around, 4406 03:59:22,781 --> 03:59:25,705 the grease come into the food. So we cannot do that. 4407 03:59:25,705 --> 03:59:27,897 So we are very respectable restaurants. 4408 03:59:27,897 --> 03:59:32,563 We do every 60 or 70 days hood cleaning, and hood cleaning is done by Hood Express. 4409 03:59:32,563 --> 03:59:35,373 That is very much licensed. licensed in Tampa Bay. 4410 03:59:35,373 --> 03:59:39,252 So at least more than 100 restaurants he does in Largo, Largo itself. 4411 03:59:39,252 --> 03:59:42,288 I talked to them as soon as I heard that, hey, listen, 4412 03:59:42,288 --> 03:59:46,729 they are saying that some discharge is coming which is illicit, they're saying. 4413 03:59:46,729 --> 03:59:47,853 And he was laughing. 4414 03:59:47,853 --> 03:59:52,463 I said like, hey, they're trying to make a very serious case, something like that. 4415 03:59:52,463 --> 03:59:56,510 We do every day. It's nothing which we are throwing in the— on the road. 4416 03:59:56,510 --> 03:59:57,803 This was his statement. 4417 03:59:57,803 --> 04:00:02,019 I can provide you the number of Food Express and all, and you can you know, 4418 04:00:02,019 --> 04:00:04,380 we can have a motion or something, we can— 4419 04:00:04,380 --> 04:00:07,303 he will also come here and he can explain it to you. 4420 04:00:07,303 --> 04:00:11,801 Second thing, the picture which he was showing, um, which was under the premise, 4421 04:00:11,801 --> 04:00:14,836 there also we are not doing the illicit discharge any. 4422 04:00:14,836 --> 04:00:19,558 What we were doing is we are upgrading the property because the City of Fargo office 4423 04:00:19,558 --> 04:00:22,257 came, so we are trying to beautify the property. 4424 04:00:22,257 --> 04:00:26,416 We were coloring the flower pot into the black color, and one guy, he was— 4425 04:00:26,416 --> 04:00:28,496 he just took the, the, you know, the, 4426 04:00:28,496 --> 04:00:31,701 you when you do brush and when the job is done, then you, 4427 04:00:31,701 --> 04:00:36,310 you clean that paint so that you can use again in the roller. The painter does it. 4428 04:00:36,310 --> 04:00:40,639 So he— I was not here and he was not knowing where is the hose outside in the 4429 04:00:40,639 --> 04:00:40,976 knowing where is the hose outside in the front. 4430 04:00:40,976 --> 04:00:42,831 There is, but he was not knowing. 4431 04:00:42,831 --> 04:00:45,248 So he saw the drainage and he, he just put— 4432 04:00:45,248 --> 04:00:48,509 he was just cleaning with the water that small paintbrush. 4433 04:00:48,509 --> 04:00:52,894 If you will see the picture which I sent it to you Today also picture you will 4434 04:00:52,894 --> 04:00:53,175 it to you Today also picture you will have. 4435 04:00:53,175 --> 04:00:57,616 Also replied the email on 25th of June with those all pictures that, look, hey, 4436 04:00:57,616 --> 04:01:02,000 this is a paint which you think this is something debris of illicit discharge. 4437 04:01:02,000 --> 04:01:03,125 Not, absolutely not. 4438 04:01:03,125 --> 04:01:04,586 And we put every like, um, 4439 04:01:04,586 --> 04:01:08,746 10 days bleach on that because what happens is the from the roof the water 4440 04:01:08,746 --> 04:01:09,252 happens is the from the roof the water comes and 4441 04:01:09,252 --> 04:01:10,882 no matter how much you clean, 4442 04:01:10,882 --> 04:01:14,030 there is a pathway which will be going towards the road. 4443 04:01:14,030 --> 04:01:16,841 So I will explain it to you if you So the picture. 4444 04:01:16,841 --> 04:01:18,865 So those 2 separate things is there. 4445 04:01:18,865 --> 04:01:22,575 One is the Hood Express, which does— I have nothing to do with it. 4446 04:01:22,575 --> 04:01:26,960 I give him $500 or $600 a month, uh, 2 months, and then he cleans and he goes. 4447 04:01:26,960 --> 04:01:30,501 He has the key. So whatever the discharge you're talking about, 4448 04:01:30,501 --> 04:01:34,942 I talked to him and he said like he was absolutely not— there was no discharge. 4449 04:01:34,942 --> 04:01:37,865 So when you hear— when you have a date, another one, 4450 04:01:37,865 --> 04:01:40,957 he will come and he will explain it to you that better. 4451 04:01:40,957 --> 04:01:45,117 But the other one, the picture which he was showing, That's, that's paint, 4452 04:01:45,117 --> 04:01:46,916 and I will show you the picture. 4453 04:01:46,916 --> 04:01:51,709 Okay, so the video that we just saw— 4454 04:01:51,709 --> 04:01:51,919 Yes. 4455 04:01:51,919 --> 04:01:55,684 The— so the original complaint came in as a sound, 4456 04:01:55,684 --> 04:01:58,545 a noise complaint at 4 in the morning. 4457 04:01:58,545 --> 04:02:00,201 The video that we saw, 4458 04:02:00,201 --> 04:02:06,375 it looked to me that somebody was pressure washing hoods of an oven in the street. 4459 04:02:06,375 --> 04:02:08,945 Uh, that I don't know because they will— 4460 04:02:08,945 --> 04:02:09,494 Did you see the video? 4461 04:02:09,494 --> 04:02:10,545 I saw the video. 4462 04:02:10,990 --> 04:02:11,103 Yes. 4463 04:02:11,426 --> 04:02:13,640 And so, so you're a restaurant owner. 4464 04:02:13,640 --> 04:02:16,752 Were those— yeah, are those your hoods that you own? 4465 04:02:16,752 --> 04:02:21,299 Are those your hoods on the side of the street there that are being pressure 4466 04:02:21,299 --> 04:02:21,718 street there that are being pressure washed? 4467 04:02:21,718 --> 04:02:25,720 No, no, hood is inside the kitchen. Kitchen hood I'm talking about. 4468 04:02:25,720 --> 04:02:29,470 I understand that. Okay, so what are these 3— what are these 3 grates? 4469 04:02:29,470 --> 04:02:30,541 Are those not hoods? 4470 04:02:30,541 --> 04:02:37,057 No, they are taking the pipe from the, uh, from their, um, vehicle to the inside. 4471 04:02:37,860 --> 04:02:39,585 the hood. They go up. They— 4472 04:02:39,585 --> 04:02:42,553 I understand. So can you rewind the video? 4473 04:02:42,553 --> 04:02:43,262 Yes. 4474 04:02:43,262 --> 04:02:48,420 Okay, it looks like a ladder and then some 4475 04:02:48,420 --> 04:02:53,331 metal grate. Because what happens on the 4476 04:02:53,331 --> 04:02:54,191 ladder— 4477 04:02:54,191 --> 04:02:55,316 Yeah, because what happens— 4478 04:02:55,348 --> 04:02:58,480 and these are out of your restaurant. So what are those leaning up on that ladder? 4479 04:02:58,480 --> 04:03:02,241 Yes, I'm, I'm telling you. So let's say this is a hood, right? 4480 04:03:02,241 --> 04:03:05,881 So there is a exhaust which goes on the top of the building. 4481 04:03:05,881 --> 04:03:08,732 If the exhaust top filter will not get cleaned, 4482 04:03:08,732 --> 04:03:12,250 then again this will be the same problem. Getting a point? 4483 04:03:12,250 --> 04:03:15,768 So it has to get released out, so that has to get cleaned. 4484 04:03:15,768 --> 04:03:20,075 So they clean the hood and also they go on the top to clean the filter. 4485 04:03:20,075 --> 04:03:20,878 So what are these? 4486 04:03:20,878 --> 04:03:21,793 Which one? 4487 04:03:21,793 --> 04:03:23,688 On the street, on the ladder. What are those? 4488 04:03:23,688 --> 04:03:27,029 Nothing on the ladder. Ladder is there on the street, right? 4489 04:03:27,029 --> 04:03:29,069 You see the things laying on the ladder? 4490 04:03:29,406 --> 04:03:32,595 That's the hood part. That's the hood. Yes, it's the hood. 4491 04:03:32,867 --> 04:03:35,369 So they're pressure washing your hoods on the street? 4492 04:03:35,369 --> 04:03:39,005 No, those are covered in grease. They're washing the grease off of the hoods. 4493 04:03:39,341 --> 04:03:40,563 Yeah, I didn't see that. 4494 04:03:40,563 --> 04:03:44,636 But if this is what we do, we— I didn't clean it, we outsourced the job to them. 4495 04:03:44,636 --> 04:03:45,960 That's fine, I understand. 4496 04:03:46,008 --> 04:03:50,415 But so where is all the grease that they're pressure washing right now? 4497 04:03:50,415 --> 04:03:53,299 They said that they clean inside and they came— 4498 04:03:53,299 --> 04:03:54,581 It's not inside. 4499 04:03:55,062 --> 04:03:59,703 So, I mean, we can see this. These are— these I don't do. I understand. They 4500 04:03:59,703 --> 04:04:00,069 these I don't do. I understand. They clean. 4501 04:04:00,069 --> 04:04:02,024 It's better they will come here. 4502 04:04:02,024 --> 04:04:05,993 Uh, the company name, all email number, I will provide it to you. 4503 04:04:05,993 --> 04:04:09,815 We don't deal with— we don't deal with the companies that are doing the work. 4504 04:04:09,815 --> 04:04:11,751 We deal with the owners of the company. 4505 04:04:11,751 --> 04:04:14,680 And you're not even the owner of the company. You are just— 4506 04:04:14,680 --> 04:04:16,475 No, I'm the owner of the Aroma. 4507 04:04:16,475 --> 04:04:19,178 Of the— yes, you're the owner of the restaurant. Yeah. 4508 04:04:19,178 --> 04:04:22,932 And— but the owner of the company is the one who's going to be held liable. 4509 04:04:22,932 --> 04:04:23,383 Whatever. 4510 04:04:23,752 --> 04:04:30,512 Whatever we decide today, Venture Pursuits LLC is going to be liable for. 4511 04:04:30,512 --> 04:04:33,343 I'm talking to you guys. Tell me one thing. 4512 04:04:33,343 --> 04:04:36,636 What do you expect from us, like a business owner? 4513 04:04:36,636 --> 04:04:40,850 Should I be studying the hood cleaning and we should do our own, 4514 04:04:40,850 --> 04:04:43,155 or we should outsource to somebody? 4515 04:04:43,155 --> 04:04:47,896 We do snaking, we do jet water cleaning, we do grease trapping cleaning, 4516 04:04:47,896 --> 04:04:49,476 we do hood cleaning. So— 4517 04:04:49,476 --> 04:04:51,416 Of course, you run a restaurant. 4518 04:04:51,416 --> 04:04:54,690 The expectation is— the expectation is for homeowners, 4519 04:04:54,690 --> 04:04:58,207 business owners in the community within the City of Largo, 4520 04:04:58,207 --> 04:05:00,935 if they're going to be doing work themselves, 4521 04:05:00,935 --> 04:05:05,786 then they understand the codes before they go and build something or spray stuff 4522 04:05:05,786 --> 04:05:10,636 down the drains that leak out into ponds and rivers and the Intracoastal and the 4523 04:05:10,636 --> 04:05:13,849 Gulf, right? Like, if you're going to do it yourself, 4524 04:05:13,849 --> 04:05:18,033 you should learn how to do it the right way. If you're going to hire— 4525 04:05:18,033 --> 04:05:18,546 The question is not that. 4526 04:05:18,546 --> 04:05:22,111 If you're going to hire— if someone's going to hire somebody to do something, 4527 04:05:22,111 --> 04:05:22,296 going to hire somebody to do something, yes, 4528 04:05:22,296 --> 04:05:24,194 hire someone that's licensed and insured. 4529 04:05:24,194 --> 04:05:25,670 He is licensed. He is insured. 4530 04:05:25,670 --> 04:05:29,939 Okay, show him this video and say— or have the owner— 4531 04:05:29,939 --> 04:05:32,218 We never deal with anybody who is not licensed. 4532 04:05:32,218 --> 04:05:35,784 Have the owner— excuse me, hang on, I'm not done yet. 4533 04:05:35,784 --> 04:05:41,167 Have the owner of Venture Pursuits LLC send the company that he hired this video 4534 04:05:41,167 --> 04:05:41,369 send the company that he hired this video and 4535 04:05:41,369 --> 04:05:47,021 say, we just got fined X amount of dollars by the city of Largo because they sprayed 4536 04:05:47,021 --> 04:05:49,309 grease down the stormwater drains. 4537 04:05:50,713 --> 04:05:50,794 Sure. 4538 04:05:50,794 --> 04:05:55,273 And if they are insured, then maybe they take it up with them in a legal action. 4539 04:05:55,273 --> 04:05:57,120 I don't know from here, but sure, 4540 04:05:57,120 --> 04:06:01,039 it's our job to make sure we're doing what we're supposed to be doing. 4541 04:06:01,039 --> 04:06:05,686 We have a whole department in the city to protect and maintain stuff that goes down 4542 04:06:05,686 --> 04:06:09,381 the stormwater drains. It's a serious thing. We live on the coast. 4543 04:06:09,381 --> 04:06:09,981 Absolutely. 4544 04:06:09,981 --> 04:06:12,214 You know, it's, it's, it's a serious thing. 4545 04:06:12,214 --> 04:06:14,551 So have you not seen this video before today? 4546 04:06:14,551 --> 04:06:16,817 No, sir. And, uh, And that's, that's my next point. 4547 04:06:16,817 --> 04:06:20,372 So when this is a surprise to me here, because I was not prepared even for this, 4548 04:06:20,372 --> 04:06:23,350 right? I got a, I got a call that, hey, some noise are coming here. 4549 04:06:23,350 --> 04:06:26,683 And then I, I called him and said, like, what are you doing? He said, like, 4550 04:06:26,683 --> 04:06:27,038 what are you doing? He said, like, nothing. 4551 04:06:27,038 --> 04:06:28,727 I mean, we are just cleaning the hood. 4552 04:06:28,727 --> 04:06:28,920 Yeah. 4553 04:06:28,920 --> 04:06:31,426 So I said, like, hey, so why they're complaining? 4554 04:06:31,426 --> 04:06:35,416 Because some neighbor, um, I think, uh, some City of Largo officer lives here. 4555 04:06:35,416 --> 04:06:37,667 So in this apartment, and he only complains. 4556 04:06:37,667 --> 04:06:41,759 So I told him that, hey, why, why the noise is coming? What are you doing there? 4557 04:06:41,759 --> 04:06:43,344 He said, like, He was laughing. 4558 04:06:43,344 --> 04:06:47,385 I said, like, nothing we're doing which is— which we don't do the other places. 4559 04:06:47,385 --> 04:06:48,766 What are you trying to say? 4560 04:06:48,766 --> 04:06:52,398 I said, like, hey, just clean it, food, and go and get paid. That's it. 4561 04:06:52,398 --> 04:06:53,830 And I was not there as well. 4562 04:06:53,830 --> 04:06:54,375 I understand. 4563 04:06:54,375 --> 04:06:56,012 Okay, so that is first thing. 4564 04:06:56,012 --> 04:06:59,229 Second thing is when the Officer Chase wrote me an email, 4565 04:06:59,229 --> 04:07:01,091 why he did not attach this video? 4566 04:07:01,091 --> 04:07:05,324 Because this is common sense that if I write an email to anybody and if the 4567 04:07:05,324 --> 04:07:05,719 write an email to anybody and if the dispute 4568 04:07:05,719 --> 04:07:08,202 is this about, I will say, hey, this is the— 4569 04:07:08,202 --> 04:07:10,911 this is the thing which you did not do properly. 4570 04:07:10,911 --> 04:07:13,677 He sent me— I will have an email in front of you, 4571 04:07:13,677 --> 04:07:18,022 and I replied on 25th of June 2026, addressing the other thing, the painting, 4572 04:07:18,022 --> 04:07:21,409 which I sent you the picture. This is alien to me right now. 4573 04:07:21,409 --> 04:07:23,835 You're just throwing me, hey, what is this? 4574 04:07:23,835 --> 04:07:27,109 This is— yeah, otherwise I would have called Hood Express. 4575 04:07:27,109 --> 04:07:28,802 He should come here and brief. 4576 04:07:28,802 --> 04:07:29,929 Yeah, but we wouldn't, 4577 04:07:29,929 --> 04:07:34,129 we wouldn't hear from Hood Express unless there was an affidavit for them to speak 4578 04:07:34,129 --> 04:07:35,615 on the owner's behalf, right? 4579 04:07:35,615 --> 04:07:39,457 No, we're We're listening to your testimony right now kind of as a courtesy 4580 04:07:39,457 --> 04:07:39,815 testimony right now kind of as a courtesy because 4581 04:07:39,815 --> 04:07:41,147 on a separate case, right, 4582 04:07:41,147 --> 04:07:45,347 you did show up with the owner of the LLC on a separate case that does not pertain 4583 04:07:45,347 --> 04:07:45,757 to this. 4584 04:07:45,757 --> 04:07:45,886 Sure. 4585 04:07:45,886 --> 04:07:50,201 But, you know, it's frustrating for me personally in this position to see this, 4586 04:07:50,201 --> 04:07:54,078 you know, and you were very adamant that you weren't spraying— not you, 4587 04:07:54,078 --> 04:07:58,065 but grease was not being sprayed down the drains, and it very clearly is. 4588 04:07:58,065 --> 04:08:02,270 And it now makes me worry that the other 100 restaurants that this company is 4589 04:08:02,270 --> 04:08:06,202 servicing in the City of Largo doing the same thing over and over again. 4590 04:08:06,202 --> 04:08:07,677 So that's a separate issue. 4591 04:08:07,677 --> 04:08:10,619 Very much licensed. He is licensed to work in the Tampa Bay or Florida, 4592 04:08:10,619 --> 04:08:13,976 whatever you say. Yeah, I have all the information, license number as well. Yeah. 4593 04:08:13,976 --> 04:08:16,918 And he said that I'm doing what exactly has to be done. Don't teach me. 4594 04:08:17,094 --> 04:08:18,137 This is the word. Understood. 4595 04:08:18,137 --> 04:08:22,536 Okay. So just to clarify, the violations that you were cited for, 4596 04:08:22,536 --> 04:08:24,025 the illicit discharge, 4597 04:08:24,025 --> 04:08:29,102 it does provide a description of the violation and what needs to be done to 4598 04:08:29,102 --> 04:08:29,575 violation and what needs to be done to correct 4599 04:08:29,575 --> 04:08:32,824 it. Obviously, This is an irreparable violation, 4600 04:08:32,824 --> 04:08:38,103 but it does provide description and it states to cease the pressure washing of 4601 04:08:38,103 --> 04:08:38,306 states to cease the pressure washing of the 4602 04:08:38,306 --> 04:08:43,924 grease. So it states it right there on the notice that was posted on your property. 4603 04:08:43,924 --> 04:08:44,215 Yes. 4604 04:08:44,215 --> 04:08:47,504 And mailed to the mailing address of the property owner. 4605 04:08:47,504 --> 04:08:50,792 So once again, we are aware that you're merely a tenant, 4606 04:08:50,792 --> 04:08:54,962 but that's why we encourage property owners to come in and provide this 4607 04:08:54,962 --> 04:08:55,608 owners to come in and provide this information 4608 04:08:55,608 --> 04:08:56,606 to their tenants. 4609 04:08:56,606 --> 04:08:56,799 Right. 4610 04:08:57,660 --> 04:09:01,369 So, so yeah, I just wanted to clarify that this is the first time that you're 4611 04:09:01,369 --> 04:09:05,174 hearing of this. Once again, you are the tenant, you're not the property owner. 4612 04:09:05,174 --> 04:09:08,787 The property owner was properly noticed with a description of the violence. 4613 04:09:08,787 --> 04:09:12,049 I got an email, ma'am, which is nowhere mentioned about this, 4614 04:09:12,049 --> 04:09:14,081 and I can show you my email right now. 4615 04:09:14,081 --> 04:09:16,186 How did you know to come here today? 4616 04:09:16,186 --> 04:09:19,894 Uh, because you, uh, the owner said like I'm not able to come there, 4617 04:09:19,894 --> 04:09:22,839 so you have to go to, uh, 1:30. So I was here at 1:30. 4618 04:09:22,930 --> 04:09:26,007 Yeah, so Chase sent the owner notice. 4619 04:09:26,007 --> 04:09:27,017 So he knows. 4620 04:09:27,017 --> 04:09:30,106 No, but my question to you is, from my point of view, 4621 04:09:30,106 --> 04:09:34,418 the mail which Officer Chase sent me, you can read it and you can tell me, 4622 04:09:34,418 --> 04:09:37,740 because I'm also well qualified, 3 times master's I have. 4623 04:09:37,740 --> 04:09:39,722 So I read, I know what is written. 4624 04:09:39,722 --> 04:09:43,918 It's not mentioned this, but it's mentioned about the picture, which is— 4625 04:09:43,918 --> 04:09:48,114 which I sent to you, and you can check it. There are 2 different things. 4626 04:09:48,114 --> 04:09:52,892 So I'm assuming that you're talking about you know, cleaning the drainage and I'm, 4627 04:09:52,892 --> 04:09:56,797 you know, I'm doing some illicit work there. That's absolutely not. 4628 04:09:56,797 --> 04:09:58,079 And this is new to me. 4629 04:09:58,079 --> 04:09:59,596 Okay. Excuse me, Mr. 4630 04:09:59,596 --> 04:10:03,769 Bergeron, did he email you some pictures for us to see? 4631 04:10:03,769 --> 04:10:08,018 This paint thing that he's discussing, is that included? 4632 04:10:08,018 --> 04:10:11,578 Paint would still be considered an illicit discharge. I can pull up the notice. 4633 04:10:11,578 --> 04:10:14,958 An illicit discharge is literally considered anything other than stormwater 4634 04:10:14,958 --> 04:10:15,183 considered anything other than stormwater going 4635 04:10:15,183 --> 04:10:16,400 into the stormwater system. 4636 04:10:16,400 --> 04:10:16,946 That's what I thought. 4637 04:10:16,946 --> 04:10:19,386 He does want those to be shown. Can we see those? 4638 04:10:19,386 --> 04:10:20,045 Yes, please. 4639 04:10:20,045 --> 04:10:21,846 And I have a question. 4640 04:10:21,846 --> 04:10:23,566 Is it common for, um, 4641 04:10:23,566 --> 04:10:28,807 people cleaning things in restaurants to do it in the wee hours? 4642 04:10:28,807 --> 04:10:30,690 Is it because it's not— 4643 04:10:30,690 --> 04:10:32,481 If they're doing it illegally, I bet it is. Yes. 4644 04:10:32,481 --> 04:10:35,093 And that was the previous complaint, which our Environmental Services— 4645 04:10:35,093 --> 04:10:38,078 it was a similar complaint where someone was cleaning something in the middle of 4646 04:10:38,078 --> 04:10:38,190 was cleaning something in the middle of the 4647 04:10:38,190 --> 04:10:40,802 night, and actually our Environmental Services Department handled that 4648 04:10:40,802 --> 04:10:41,175 Services Department handled that complaint. 4649 04:10:41,336 --> 04:10:43,920 So, but other restaurants don't do that? 4650 04:10:43,920 --> 04:10:44,401 No. 4651 04:10:44,401 --> 04:10:45,059 Okay. 4652 04:10:45,059 --> 04:10:45,954 Because like I said, 4653 04:10:45,954 --> 04:10:49,578 the police department responded to a noise complaint from a resident who lived in 4654 04:10:49,578 --> 04:10:52,486 the townhomes behind these restaurants. Yeah, we don't know that. 4655 04:10:52,486 --> 04:10:55,932 This, you know, this is right in downtown and there's residences very nearby. 4656 04:10:55,932 --> 04:10:57,095 So a complaint was placed. 4657 04:10:57,095 --> 04:11:00,406 I mean, maybe this company goes and does this to the other 100 restaurants 4658 04:11:00,406 --> 04:11:04,030 throughout the city that we don't know about. We can't speak to that necessarily. 4659 04:11:04,030 --> 04:11:06,855 Yes. I'm just wondering if that's a common business practice. 4660 04:11:07,000 --> 04:11:11,270 I would think it would be practical in that they go when the restaurant is closed 4661 04:11:11,270 --> 04:11:14,380 and there aren't any patrons. There's no food being cooked. 4662 04:11:14,380 --> 04:11:18,000 I have another restaurant. This is on North Delmarva Beach. 4663 04:11:18,000 --> 04:11:21,068 It's in Hillsborough County. My second restaurant. 4664 04:11:21,068 --> 04:11:24,566 He's absolutely doing it at 2 o'clock or 1 o'clock night. 4665 04:11:24,566 --> 04:11:28,922 And that is on the too busy— just Delmarva Beach— on the too busy side. 4666 04:11:28,922 --> 04:11:33,585 So more than 95,000 vehicles pass per day. You know, VPD is there that much. 4667 04:11:33,585 --> 04:11:37,942 So everybody's— so I assumed, and kind of, he's the most, uh, you know, 4668 04:11:37,942 --> 04:11:42,483 other my friends' restaurants, 3, 4 restaurants, he does it. Food Express. 4669 04:11:42,483 --> 04:11:42,728 restaurants, he does it. Food Express. Yes. 4670 04:11:42,728 --> 04:11:47,274 Yeah, I mean, the timing only matters because they were doing it outside and a 4671 04:11:47,274 --> 04:11:50,072 resident was probably woken up in the, you know, 4672 04:11:50,072 --> 04:11:52,462 whatever time the original complaint was. 4673 04:11:52,462 --> 04:11:53,119 Residents— 4674 04:11:53,119 --> 04:11:57,499 Pretty sure we probably would have gotten a call if this was being done in this 4675 04:11:57,499 --> 04:12:00,437 manner during the day. This is not a common practice. 4676 04:12:00,437 --> 04:12:03,792 Right. My point is the timing that hoods get cleaned is not an issue. 4677 04:12:03,792 --> 04:12:04,862 It's how it was being— 4678 04:12:04,862 --> 04:12:09,932 Well, and whatever we decide today is going to bind the 4679 04:12:09,932 --> 04:12:11,960 property owner, right? 4680 04:12:11,960 --> 04:12:15,371 Not Hood Express or Aroma Restaurant. 4681 04:12:15,371 --> 04:12:18,523 What is it? What happens to us? 4682 04:12:18,523 --> 04:12:24,013 If I can go back, I'm sorry, I've forgotten your name. 4683 04:12:24,013 --> 04:12:29,808 The state tells us that we have to protect our waterways. 4684 04:12:29,808 --> 04:12:34,993 And if we don't, what happens to the city of Largo? 4685 04:12:34,993 --> 04:12:36,271 They get fined. 4686 04:12:36,271 --> 04:12:38,753 Yeah, they've done it before. 4687 04:12:38,753 --> 04:12:42,332 As well as obviously, if this is a continuous thing, and as, uh, 4688 04:12:42,332 --> 04:12:46,693 Board Member Strong said, hopefully it's not a whole bunch of businesses doing 4689 04:12:46,693 --> 04:12:46,973 not a whole bunch of businesses doing this, 4690 04:12:46,973 --> 04:12:51,223 it's going to come out of taxpayer dollars to now have to clean these pipes. 4691 04:12:51,223 --> 04:12:55,472 And, and, and obviously I don't want to speak to, you know, what Brooke and, 4692 04:12:55,472 --> 04:12:57,821 and her crew do, um, which is quite a bit. 4693 04:12:57,821 --> 04:13:01,959 We would have to spend taxpayer dollars to get these cleaned out properly. 4694 04:13:01,959 --> 04:13:04,363 Now that, you know, if we have a storm now, 4695 04:13:04,363 --> 04:13:07,774 it may flood over here now if this is a continuation of this. 4696 04:13:07,774 --> 04:13:11,241 So, um, I can only speak to what we would do here in the city. 4697 04:13:11,241 --> 04:13:13,198 Outside of that, I'm not 100% sure. 4698 04:13:13,198 --> 04:13:15,228 Okay. 4699 04:13:18,228 --> 04:13:20,092 And that's why we tend to go after these types of cases. 4700 04:13:20,092 --> 04:13:22,132 So this is the mail which I, which I sent to him. 4701 04:13:22,132 --> 04:13:26,308 Go after that larger one-time fine to hopefully deter future actions like this. 4702 04:13:26,308 --> 04:13:27,143 Yeah. 4703 04:13:27,143 --> 04:13:30,731 Okay, and so this is the email that was just sent to you? 4704 04:13:30,731 --> 04:13:35,642 This was the one from June 25th, um, when he says he's not cleaning his rooms. 4705 04:13:35,642 --> 04:13:40,741 They're claiming it was from painting or whatever other, uh— So that black paint, 4706 04:13:40,741 --> 04:13:45,095 yeah, I mean, that shouldn't be going down there either. 4707 04:13:48,095 --> 04:13:48,773 Right, correct. 4708 04:13:49,144 --> 04:13:52,068 Yeah, that looks like a shade. 4709 04:13:52,068 --> 04:13:55,532 And, and I can definitely, you know, at least empathize a little bit. 4710 04:13:55,532 --> 04:13:59,398 I know when you don't have a lot of room to work with and you have all these, 4711 04:13:59,398 --> 04:13:59,850 you know— 4712 04:13:59,850 --> 04:14:03,806 No, no, this guy, this guy, the guy who was— we had a hose in front, 4713 04:14:03,806 --> 04:14:05,085 but he did not see it. 4714 04:14:05,085 --> 04:14:08,809 And this, the black paint, which was— which is looking like, uh, 4715 04:14:08,809 --> 04:14:11,194 it's messing with the Pipe, uh, the, the, 4716 04:14:11,194 --> 04:14:14,451 the slope towards the right one is more than 30 degrees. 4717 04:14:14,451 --> 04:14:17,593 So he's not using that one there. He's throwing there. 4718 04:14:17,593 --> 04:14:20,385 I'm throwing— not— he's just cleaning the brush. 4719 04:14:20,385 --> 04:14:25,213 It's not something you think that it's a lot of debris which will go and damage the 4720 04:14:25,213 --> 04:14:28,238 pipe, which is like around 200 feet away from there. 4721 04:14:28,238 --> 04:14:31,202 But the date of the incident was June 10th? 4722 04:14:31,202 --> 04:14:32,292 June 10th, correct. 4723 04:14:32,292 --> 04:14:36,505 And you're saying these pictures are in relation to the June 10th? 4724 04:14:36,505 --> 04:14:38,540 No, but I received the email later. 4725 04:14:38,540 --> 04:14:41,546 Okay, so this is separate? 4726 04:14:41,546 --> 04:14:45,592 This is separate from the June 10th 4727 04:14:45,592 --> 04:14:46,633 incident? 4728 04:14:46,633 --> 04:14:47,450 Correct. 4729 04:14:47,450 --> 04:14:48,091 Okay. 4730 04:14:48,091 --> 04:14:49,132 Correct. You're right. 4731 04:14:49,132 --> 04:14:51,248 Which was the illicit discharge as to the grease. 4732 04:14:51,248 --> 04:14:51,697 Correct. 4733 04:14:51,697 --> 04:14:54,885 This is a separate discharge, which we're not here to— 4734 04:14:54,885 --> 04:14:56,184 That I was prepared for. 4735 04:14:56,488 --> 04:14:57,450 Now you're getting me. 4736 04:14:57,450 --> 04:14:59,501 And it's not an issue in this case? 4737 04:14:59,501 --> 04:15:02,193 Yes. Now you're getting me, what I'm trying to say. 4738 04:15:02,193 --> 04:15:04,741 No, I get you. I get this. 4739 04:15:06,410 --> 04:15:08,896 All right, so here's our issue. 4740 04:15:08,896 --> 04:15:15,072 Yeah, the property owner is not here to represent himself, and if we make an, 4741 04:15:15,072 --> 04:15:18,199 you know, whatever we adjudicate today, 4742 04:15:18,199 --> 04:15:21,568 it's going to bind someone who's not here. 4743 04:15:21,568 --> 04:15:24,856 That's uncomfortable to some extent, but— 4744 04:15:24,856 --> 04:15:25,787 That happens all the time. 4745 04:15:25,787 --> 04:15:28,227 But that, given the gravity of the violation— 4746 04:15:28,227 --> 04:15:30,106 20 more times, and he was here last time. 4747 04:15:30,106 --> 04:15:34,425 And the fact that he knew and sent you, then he knows that he's on the hook. 4748 04:15:34,425 --> 04:15:34,922 That's right. 4749 04:15:34,922 --> 04:15:35,805 So to speak. 4750 04:15:35,805 --> 04:15:39,607 So I'm just, um, telling, telling you, sir, if you will pick on this, like, 4751 04:15:39,607 --> 04:15:41,534 I was prepared for this, not for this. 4752 04:15:41,534 --> 04:15:45,437 And there also, I have not done any violation because what as an owner we can 4753 04:15:45,437 --> 04:15:45,691 violation because what as an owner we can do is 4754 04:15:45,691 --> 04:15:48,986 we can trust the licensed hood cleaner guy or anybody who is the— 4755 04:15:48,986 --> 04:15:52,382 we are outsourcing the work to anybody. If he's licensed, we trust. 4756 04:15:52,382 --> 04:15:56,032 You cannot tell me— I mean, literally, I should be there, but 4 o'clock. 4757 04:15:56,032 --> 04:15:58,415 If he's coming at 3 o'clock to work, I'm tired. 4758 04:15:58,415 --> 04:16:01,913 I have 2 restaurants, I have IT company, I have construction company. 4759 04:16:01,913 --> 04:16:04,701 So a hell of a lot of things on me. I have a big dream. 4760 04:16:04,701 --> 04:16:08,605 So I'm here and there, sometimes in Orlando, sometimes here, sometimes there. 4761 04:16:08,605 --> 04:16:11,140 So whatever best thing is to do is just, just the— 4762 04:16:11,140 --> 04:16:14,080 just give it to the licensed people. They know what to do. 4763 04:16:14,080 --> 04:16:14,130 Of course. 4764 04:16:14,130 --> 04:16:14,530 Understood. 4765 04:16:14,530 --> 04:16:16,990 Of course. People are busy and they hire professionals, right? 4766 04:16:16,990 --> 04:16:17,630 Right. 4767 04:16:17,630 --> 04:16:20,811 The expectation is that the owner, whoever's doing the hiring, 4768 04:16:20,811 --> 04:16:25,019 is going to hire someone that's going to do the job right. If they don't, Correct. 4769 04:16:25,019 --> 04:16:27,123 The owner is responsible. That's correct. 4770 04:16:27,123 --> 04:16:29,637 So, right, absolutely, I hear what you're saying. 4771 04:16:29,637 --> 04:16:33,742 Yeah, but just because it wasn't, you know, you that— I know, or the owner that— 4772 04:16:33,742 --> 04:16:36,221 And Mr. Jacques, I'll tell you, 4773 04:16:36,221 --> 04:16:41,100 I have written 6 emails to the mayor and to the city manager, 4774 04:16:41,100 --> 04:16:46,699 or like the CEO of Mike or somebody, I don't know. The email is there. 4775 04:16:46,699 --> 04:16:52,697 Whole October month, my— that First Southwest Road was blocked by the city. 4776 04:16:53,002 --> 04:16:53,243 Why? 4777 04:16:53,628 --> 04:16:57,807 Because we are making the new, um, uh, what do you call it, new mall. 4778 04:16:57,807 --> 04:16:59,988 Yeah, new mall thing is there. Yeah. 4779 04:16:59,988 --> 04:17:03,865 And, um, you know, full road was blocked when 2 months, 60 days, 4780 04:17:03,865 --> 04:17:06,893 more than $40,000 I been not— I remember the loss. 4781 04:17:06,893 --> 04:17:11,315 And I wrote multiple, multiple emails, plus the road lights and the wall. 4782 04:17:11,315 --> 04:17:12,653 I'm going to stop you there. 4783 04:17:12,653 --> 04:17:16,428 You brought this up in a different case last time you're here. I remember that. 4784 04:17:16,428 --> 04:17:19,009 And, and, you know, we, we empathize with that. Right. 4785 04:17:19,009 --> 04:17:21,350 That's not what we're here for today. We're here— 4786 04:17:21,350 --> 04:17:24,996 I'm saying, my question to you, if you will penalize $10,000 for this, 4787 04:17:24,996 --> 04:17:28,485 if I did purposely, if I had a con man, he's not licensed, and hey, 4788 04:17:28,485 --> 04:17:31,662 do it and run away. No, I did not do— I did everything right. 4789 04:17:31,662 --> 04:17:35,204 But even if you will penalize me for $10,000, at the end of the day, 4790 04:17:35,204 --> 04:17:37,860 the owner not gonna pay. I will pay from my pocket. 4791 04:17:37,860 --> 04:17:39,892 Okay, well, I'm not an attorney. 4792 04:17:39,892 --> 04:17:44,401 My advice would be to reach out to that company that you hired to do it 4793 04:17:44,401 --> 04:17:46,750 and have that conversation with them. 4794 04:17:46,750 --> 04:17:47,150 I did. 4795 04:17:48,033 --> 04:17:50,616 Well, once they find out if you got a big fine, 4796 04:17:50,616 --> 04:17:52,979 I would reach out with an attorney to that— 4797 04:17:52,979 --> 04:17:56,222 the owner of that company and see where it goes from there. 4798 04:17:56,222 --> 04:17:58,146 But that's not what we're here for. 4799 04:17:58,146 --> 04:18:02,597 We have to— we're presented with evidence and we have to determine if a violation 4800 04:18:02,597 --> 04:18:04,576 was— if a violation happened, right? 4801 04:18:04,576 --> 04:18:08,973 To me, it looks very clear that they were spraying her hoods off in the front of 4802 04:18:08,973 --> 04:18:12,985 your restaurant and letting that grease run down into everywhere that she 4803 04:18:12,985 --> 04:18:13,480 run down into everywhere that she mentioned 4804 04:18:13,480 --> 04:18:15,678 that it leads, plus further beyond that. 4805 04:18:15,678 --> 04:18:15,855 Mm-hmm. 4806 04:18:16,620 --> 04:18:17,814 You know, that's what we're here to determine. 4807 04:18:17,814 --> 04:18:19,911 That also affects every taxpayer. 4808 04:18:19,911 --> 04:18:22,992 Absolutely. I totally understand. Yes, we pay taxes too. 4809 04:18:22,992 --> 04:18:24,750 So what do you say? What do you say to them? 4810 04:18:24,750 --> 04:18:29,262 Right. Whatever the picture was there, I, in, I put in front of you. I'm the owner. 4811 04:18:29,262 --> 04:18:32,741 I hired— I did a good job. I hired licensed people. They did it. 4812 04:18:32,741 --> 04:18:37,090 They messed it or something. If you, if you, you know, it's not happening again. 4813 04:18:37,090 --> 04:18:41,059 After that one time more, he cleaned, but no complaint after that, right? 4814 04:18:41,059 --> 04:18:45,326 So, Chair, yeah, I believe you've extended the courtesy to the gentleman. 4815 04:18:45,326 --> 04:18:47,080 I'd like to call the question. 4816 04:18:47,080 --> 04:18:52,369 Yes, sir. Yeah, I'm— I am going to close the public portion at this point in time. 4817 04:18:52,369 --> 04:18:52,950 Mr. Bach? 4818 04:18:52,950 --> 04:18:54,308 That's it. 4819 04:18:54,308 --> 04:19:00,267 Okay. Um, I think you should come in. 4820 04:19:00,267 --> 04:19:03,408 So, uh, for irreparable violations, um, 4821 04:19:03,408 --> 04:19:08,079 the maximum that you can impose is $15,000 under the Largo 4822 04:19:08,079 --> 04:19:09,609 Code of Ordinances. 4823 04:19:09,609 --> 04:19:10,517 Is there a minimum? 4824 04:19:11,043 --> 04:19:16,550 There's no minimum, ma'am, um, just, uh, $15,000 maximum. 4825 04:19:16,550 --> 04:19:20,704 And these are your factors, which I repeat. 4826 04:19:20,704 --> 04:19:23,312 Yeah, right, um, yeah, but— 4827 04:19:23,312 --> 04:19:26,669 All right, what do we think? What did the motion say? 4828 04:19:26,669 --> 04:19:31,181 Oh, for what the recommendation is? The motion is $10,000. 4829 04:19:31,181 --> 04:19:32,145 $10,000. 4830 04:19:32,145 --> 04:19:32,627 Yeah. 4831 04:19:32,627 --> 04:19:33,413 Recommendation. 4832 04:19:33,413 --> 04:19:37,669 Any conversation about that? Any further conversation about that? 4833 04:19:37,944 --> 04:19:43,354 Between us, it's, it's a pretty grave thing to have done. 4834 04:19:43,354 --> 04:19:49,239 I mean, and I think the— we have to rely on, on staff on this. 4835 04:19:49,239 --> 04:19:54,838 This is their recommendation. I tend to go along with them. 4836 04:19:54,838 --> 04:20:01,672 I mean, they deal much more with the irreparable nature. You know, then— 4837 04:20:01,672 --> 04:20:04,669 I'll make the motion if you're ready for it. 4838 04:20:05,163 --> 04:20:07,142 Yeah, if— yeah, there's no more conversation, of course. 4839 04:20:07,142 --> 04:20:14,865 I move in case number CEC-2600101 to find the respondent Ventures Pursuit LLC in 4840 04:20:14,865 --> 04:20:22,298 violation of City of Largo Code of Ordinances Section 23-215 for the property 4841 04:20:22,298 --> 04:20:27,318 located at 351 West Bay Drive, Largo, Florida 33770, 4842 04:20:27,318 --> 04:20:35,041 and due to the irreparable nature of the violation Order the respondent to pay a 4843 04:20:35,041 --> 04:20:37,454 one-time fine of $10,000. 4844 04:20:37,454 --> 04:20:38,289 Question. 4845 04:20:38,289 --> 04:20:39,493 Sure, I've got a question. 4846 04:20:39,493 --> 04:20:42,874 Do we impose a time limit for that fine to be paid? 4847 04:20:42,874 --> 04:20:44,399 It's not in the motion. 4848 04:20:44,399 --> 04:20:47,714 Should there— should there be a time frame for it? 4849 04:20:47,714 --> 04:20:49,529 It's a good question. 4850 04:20:49,593 --> 04:20:50,059 I don't know. 4851 04:20:50,059 --> 04:20:55,550 What's our practice, Mary, for irreversible— 4852 04:20:55,550 --> 04:21:00,160 We've only had 2 cases in the past. 4853 04:21:00,160 --> 04:21:03,805 Is it up to a year? 4854 04:21:03,805 --> 04:21:06,720 It's substantial. 4855 04:21:06,720 --> 04:21:10,080 I don't believe the, um, ordinance actually outlines a time. 4856 04:21:10,080 --> 04:21:15,156 Yeah, we don't actually— yeah, that, that's my impression as well, that we, 4857 04:21:15,156 --> 04:21:20,367 we don't establish, um, payment deadlines for first-order cases, essentially, 4858 04:21:20,367 --> 04:21:21,789 even for irreparable. 4859 04:21:21,789 --> 04:21:24,699 Obviously, if he fails to pay the fine, uh, 4860 04:21:24,699 --> 04:21:29,707 the order is simply recorded in the Pinellas County property, um, Pinellas 4861 04:21:29,707 --> 04:21:30,249 Pinellas County property, um, Pinellas records, 4862 04:21:30,249 --> 04:21:33,768 and it becomes a lien, right? This is not homestead. 4863 04:21:33,768 --> 04:21:36,949 So after 3 months, the, the city can foreclose. 4864 04:21:36,949 --> 04:21:39,183 Um, so after that 3-month period, 4865 04:21:39,183 --> 04:21:42,838 so really you're kind of going by that 3-month period, 4866 04:21:42,838 --> 04:21:46,763 which is already determined under your code and under 160. 4867 04:21:46,763 --> 04:21:47,277 Thank you. 4868 04:21:47,277 --> 04:21:48,736 Right. And he has a question. 4869 04:21:48,736 --> 04:21:51,514 Yeah, I was going to say that because I'm not going to pay for this, 4870 04:21:51,514 --> 04:21:54,047 so I will go for the loss. I'll take the help of the attorney. 4871 04:21:54,047 --> 04:21:55,559 attorney because that's not my fault. 4872 04:21:55,559 --> 04:21:58,909 So I need at least like, uh, 2, 3 months because my attorney will take care of it. 4873 04:21:58,909 --> 04:22:02,300 We are not going to pay. The company has to pay. So we will fight with the company. 4874 04:22:02,300 --> 04:22:03,920 Yeah, right. 4875 04:22:03,920 --> 04:22:07,650 Okay, so, well, if we leave it alone, there is a— there's a 3-month cushion. 4876 04:22:07,650 --> 04:22:09,530 That's correct, a 3-month cushion. 4877 04:22:09,530 --> 04:22:15,280 Okay, so, all right, so I'll second the motion as presented. But we must— 4878 04:22:15,280 --> 04:22:16,980 oh, I think we already had a second. 4879 04:22:16,980 --> 04:22:21,599 Yeah, we do already have a second. That's okay. No, I didn't second it. Oh, you did. 4880 04:22:21,599 --> 04:22:24,183 You have a question? I thought you seconded it. 4881 04:22:24,183 --> 04:22:24,378 No. 4882 04:22:24,378 --> 04:22:25,854 No, she had a question. 4883 04:22:25,854 --> 04:22:28,239 Oh, who seconded that motion? 4884 04:22:28,239 --> 04:22:30,973 I just did, just after discussion. I said— 4885 04:22:30,973 --> 04:22:32,057 I thought we had a previous— 4886 04:22:32,057 --> 04:22:34,193 I will second the motion as presented. 4887 04:22:34,193 --> 04:22:36,662 But I don't think that was a second. And then— 4888 04:22:36,662 --> 04:22:38,365 Perfect. Okay, thank you. 4889 04:22:38,365 --> 04:22:40,840 Yeah. Is there a time limit? What do you want? 4890 04:22:41,033 --> 04:22:41,226 You're gonna— 4891 04:22:41,226 --> 04:22:41,274 No. 4892 04:22:41,274 --> 04:22:46,059 No. Well, I'm thinking 60 days rather than 90. 4893 04:22:46,209 --> 04:22:50,262 I know it's a I'd be happy to amend the motion to 4894 04:22:50,262 --> 04:22:54,233 include 60 days if that's what the board wishes. 4895 04:22:54,233 --> 04:22:55,276 Something we can put on this? 4896 04:22:55,276 --> 04:22:56,689 I think we let it— 4897 04:22:56,689 --> 04:22:57,234 Ms. Carrera? 4898 04:22:57,234 --> 04:22:58,856 Or just let it ride this way? 4899 04:22:58,856 --> 04:23:00,011 We just leave it the way it is. 4900 04:23:00,011 --> 04:23:02,275 Yes. Yeah, I second it. 4901 04:23:02,275 --> 04:23:06,873 I don't think there's— I mean, after the 60 days, what do you think happens? 4902 04:23:06,873 --> 04:23:09,655 This order is going to be recorded regardless. 4903 04:23:09,655 --> 04:23:14,555 You can't, you can't foreclose anything sooner than the 360 days. 3-month period. 4904 04:23:14,555 --> 04:23:19,092 You have to let the 3 months— if not, you'll be in conflict with state law. 4905 04:23:19,092 --> 04:23:21,270 So there's no point of establishing— 4906 04:23:21,270 --> 04:23:23,600 Well, that was— that's what I understood. Yes. 4907 04:23:23,600 --> 04:23:27,846 All right, I will, I will reiterate that I second the motion as originally 4908 04:23:27,846 --> 04:23:28,420 presented. 4909 04:23:28,420 --> 04:23:28,645 Okay. 4910 04:23:28,645 --> 04:23:31,583 Okay, thank you. Any more discussion on the motion? 4911 04:23:31,583 --> 04:23:34,981 Okay, there's a motion and sec— I have a motion by, um, Mr. 4912 04:23:34,981 --> 04:23:36,824 Bach and a second by Miss Marsh. 4913 04:23:36,824 --> 04:23:38,527 No, Miss Smith. 4914 04:23:38,527 --> 04:23:38,880 Sorry. 4915 04:23:38,880 --> 04:23:39,378 It's all right. 4916 04:23:39,378 --> 04:23:42,796 Thank you, Miss Smith. Mary, do you have that? 4917 04:23:42,796 --> 04:23:44,302 I do. I'm coming. 4918 04:23:44,431 --> 04:23:48,629 I'm going to call for a vote. All in favor say aye. Aye. Any opposed? 4919 04:23:49,110 --> 04:23:52,555 Okay, so you have a cushion. Get your attorney. Get it. 4920 04:23:52,555 --> 04:23:54,701 No, just one question. Yes, sir, please. 4921 04:23:54,701 --> 04:23:57,758 So there was confusion, the 2 things, which I— which, uh, 4922 04:23:57,758 --> 04:24:00,494 one is that paint one and one is the hood cleaning. 4923 04:24:00,494 --> 04:24:04,410 So this motion will be because my attorney will fight for the hood thing, 4924 04:24:04,410 --> 04:24:07,682 which is the LAC discharge. Into the environmental something. 4925 04:24:07,682 --> 04:24:12,028 So my attorney gonna fight with the Hood Express because they might be having the 4926 04:24:12,028 --> 04:24:14,978 insurance too, so they will— that will take care of it. 4927 04:24:14,978 --> 04:24:19,640 Yes. So this order only pertains only for the Hood one, right? 4928 04:24:19,640 --> 04:24:24,075 For the illicit discharge which pertains to the grease, um, 4929 04:24:24,075 --> 04:24:28,737 discharge into the stormwater. Okay, perfect. Yeah, thank you. 4930 04:24:28,737 --> 04:24:33,925 And you'll get— the property owner will receive an order in the mail. 4931 04:24:33,925 --> 04:24:36,030 Outlining the violation and— 4932 04:24:36,030 --> 04:24:38,061 And I want the video, this video, uh, 4933 04:24:38,061 --> 04:24:40,805 so that's something we can give it to my attorney. 4934 04:24:40,805 --> 04:24:41,323 Of course. 4935 04:24:41,323 --> 04:24:46,588 Okay, we can, we can provide copies of all introduced evidence. 4936 04:24:46,588 --> 04:24:47,568 Do you have a business card? 4937 04:24:47,568 --> 04:24:48,273 Yes. 4938 04:24:48,273 --> 04:24:49,952 Um, with your email on it? 4939 04:24:49,952 --> 04:24:52,470 Well, Mr. Bergeron has his email because he just— 4940 04:24:52,470 --> 04:24:56,038 Because the parking is why I parked there in my aroma, but I can, I can write. 4941 04:24:56,038 --> 04:24:58,369 Is that email that you emailed? We could— 4942 04:24:58,369 --> 04:25:00,491 Yeah, Miss Gooch, Mr. Bergeron has his email because— 4943 04:25:00,491 --> 04:25:00,737 Okay, good. 4944 04:25:00,910 --> 04:25:02,590 Thank you, Mr. Zuck. Thank you. 4945 04:25:02,590 --> 04:25:03,150 All right, thank you. 4946 04:25:03,150 --> 04:25:04,380 How late are we going to be here? 4947 04:25:04,380 --> 04:25:04,770 Thank you. 4948 04:25:04,770 --> 04:25:05,930 It's already 6 o'clock. 4949 04:25:05,930 --> 04:25:08,550 All right, thank you. We're all set. Thank you. Good luck. 4950 04:25:08,550 --> 04:25:09,510 And we got 13 cases. 4951 04:25:09,510 --> 04:25:13,830 Hire a new grease trap company, or— yes, yeah, immediately. 4952 04:25:13,830 --> 04:25:15,650 Yeah. What's next? Consent. 4953 04:25:15,650 --> 04:25:17,130 What was that? What number was that? 4954 04:25:17,130 --> 04:25:18,630 That was 21. 4955 04:25:18,630 --> 04:25:19,290 Yeah. 4956 04:25:19,290 --> 04:25:19,530 Okay. 4957 04:25:19,530 --> 04:25:20,230 I need the consent. 4958 04:25:20,230 --> 04:25:22,630 Um, that was 21. 4959 04:25:22,630 --> 04:25:27,213 I'm gonna have to step away in a minute to address a couple of things, 4960 04:25:27,213 --> 04:25:30,225 so I can come back. I just need a quick break. 4961 04:25:30,225 --> 04:25:34,218 Yeah, let's do the consent docket as you guys are suggesting. 4962 04:25:34,218 --> 04:25:36,837 I appreciate that very much. All righty. 4963 04:25:37,224 --> 04:25:39,466 Um, you ready? 4964 04:25:39,466 --> 04:25:44,855 Yes, I believe so. Ms. Smith did step away for a minute, but I think we're okay. 4965 04:25:44,855 --> 04:25:45,192 Okay. 4966 04:25:45,406 --> 04:25:46,594 Yeah, we're okay. 4967 04:25:48,530 --> 04:25:48,644 CER— 4968 04:25:49,283 --> 04:25:56,306 oh, wait a minute. The respondents in the following cases came into 4969 04:25:56,306 --> 04:26:03,434 compliance by the date ordered by the board. There are no fines due. 4970 04:26:03,434 --> 04:26:09,409 Request the board to accept the affidavits of compliance. 4971 04:26:09,409 --> 04:26:16,537 Okay, CER-25-00798, Joseph Manning and Payton Beach House Vacations, 4972 04:26:16,537 --> 04:26:21,778 Inc., 951 Orange View Drive, Largo, Florida 33778. 4973 04:26:21,778 --> 04:26:27,858 Case number CER-24- 00529, David R. Rick Jr. and Teresa M. 4974 04:26:27,858 --> 04:26:33,833 Rick Living Trust. Do I have to say the trustees on that? 4975 04:26:33,833 --> 04:26:35,093 Yeah. 4976 04:26:35,093 --> 04:26:42,568 Okay, and that address is 1670 Indian Rocks 4977 04:26:42,568 --> 04:26:48,305 Road South, Largo, Florida 33770. 4978 04:26:48,305 --> 04:26:53,173 K-CER-26-00083, Abby Foster. 4979 04:26:53,173 --> 04:26:59,779 Dominic Ciccolo, 12996 138 Lane North, 4980 04:26:59,779 --> 04:27:03,430 Largo, Florida 33774. 4981 04:27:03,430 --> 04:27:10,732 K-CER-26-00080, 3340 Hillsdale Avenue Land 4982 04:27:10,732 --> 04:27:16,990 Trust, 3340 Hillsdale Avenue, Largo, 4983 04:27:16,990 --> 04:27:19,424 Florida 33774. 4984 04:27:19,424 --> 04:27:21,583 K-C-E-R. 4985 04:27:21,583 --> 04:27:27,572 24-00454, Princess Hemingway. 4986 04:27:27,572 --> 04:27:32,323 2048 Cove Drive, Largo, 4987 04:27:32,323 --> 04:27:35,214 Florida 33774. 4988 04:27:35,214 --> 04:27:37,089 K-C-E-R. 4989 04:27:37,089 --> 04:27:43,169 24-00454, 00384. 4990 04:27:43,267 --> 04:27:47,743 Mary Ann Bugagayan, 1648 St. 4991 04:27:47,743 --> 04:27:50,941 Paul's Drive, Largo, 4992 04:27:50,941 --> 04:27:53,179 Florida 33764. 4993 04:27:53,179 --> 04:27:54,691 Thanks for the rescue. 4994 04:27:54,691 --> 04:27:57,135 Move to approve the consent docket as presented. 4995 04:27:57,135 --> 04:28:00,417 I'll second. 4996 04:28:00,417 --> 04:28:05,776 I've got a motion by Mr. Bach, a second by Ms. Hoskin. All in favor say aye. 4997 04:28:06,470 --> 04:28:06,518 Aye. 4998 04:28:06,518 --> 04:28:08,176 Aye. Any opposed? 4999 04:28:08,176 --> 04:28:10,808 Just abstain because I was out. 5000 04:28:10,808 --> 04:28:18,684 Got that. Um, Mr. Bach made the motion and Miss Hoskin gave the second, I believe. 5001 04:28:18,684 --> 04:28:19,299 That's what I thought. 5002 04:28:19,299 --> 04:28:20,091 And Miss Smith? 5003 04:28:20,091 --> 04:28:23,731 And Miss Smith abstained her vote because she was— what did I say? 5004 04:28:23,731 --> 04:28:24,779 Abstained her vote. 5005 04:28:24,779 --> 04:28:28,254 Absent. 5006 04:28:28,254 --> 04:28:29,143 Okay. 5007 04:28:29,143 --> 04:28:32,669 Okay. Um, I need to take a 5008 04:28:32,669 --> 04:28:36,873 break of probably 10 minutes or 5009 04:28:36,873 --> 04:28:37,280 so. 5010 04:28:37,280 --> 04:28:37,320 Okay. 5011 04:28:37,320 --> 04:28:38,280 To address some work. 5012 04:28:38,280 --> 04:28:41,710 Can we go ahead and put a sec on the docket record? 5013 04:28:41,710 --> 04:28:42,961 Or is everyone okay? Ms. 5014 04:28:42,961 --> 04:28:47,130 Smith, would you feel like taking it from here for a little bit, for 10 minutes? 5015 04:28:47,130 --> 04:28:51,000 Whoo, I don't know if I'm ready for it. All right, let me get caught up. 5016 04:28:51,000 --> 04:28:53,560 Ms. Marcia's sitting right next to you, and she's very well experienced. 5017 04:28:53,560 --> 04:28:54,720 That's true. 5018 04:28:54,720 --> 04:28:56,900 She taught me everything I know. 5019 04:28:56,900 --> 04:28:57,200 Okay. 5020 04:28:57,940 --> 04:28:59,790 What do we got left? 5021 04:28:59,790 --> 04:29:00,410 We got— 5022 04:29:00,410 --> 04:29:01,720 we've got a lot left. 5023 04:29:01,720 --> 04:29:05,850 Ms. Carrera to my right and Ms. Marsh to my left. I should be— 5024 04:29:05,850 --> 04:29:08,150 May we take a break if that's possible? 5025 04:29:08,150 --> 04:29:09,230 Do you want to take a break? 5026 04:29:09,230 --> 04:29:11,770 I think we recess for 10 minutes then. 5027 04:29:11,770 --> 04:29:13,200 Okay, yeah, just recess for 10 minutes. 5028 04:29:13,510 --> 04:29:15,730 Okay, instead of that, we are going to take a turn around. 5029 04:29:15,730 --> 04:29:17,010 All you get is 10 minutes. 5030 04:29:17,010 --> 04:29:19,500 Do I need to move for that or anything? A little warm. I just called it. 5031 04:29:19,500 --> 04:29:25,296 No, just state the, the time we'll be back. So we'll be back at Uh, 6:05. 5032 04:29:25,296 --> 04:29:28,098 Okay, yep, let's reconvene at 6:05, please. Thank you. 5033 04:29:28,228 --> 04:29:29,079 Thank you. 5034 04:29:32,079 --> 04:29:50,564 Okay, Miss Smith, when you need that. 5035 04:41:42,372 --> 04:41:44,044 6. Oh, number 6. Did I miss a— 5036 04:41:44,044 --> 04:41:44,666 6. 5037 04:41:44,666 --> 04:41:45,355 8-4. 5038 04:41:46,908 --> 04:41:50,874 Oh, I had a pencil slash, and that usually means we've been over. 5039 04:41:50,874 --> 04:41:52,913 Okay, so we're going to reconvene. 5040 04:41:52,913 --> 04:41:56,275 So now we are all incognito. There are no names. 5041 04:41:56,275 --> 04:41:59,496 Okay, look, there's a picture of us. We're on. 5042 04:41:59,496 --> 04:42:01,920 Okay, okay, I think we're back live. 5043 04:42:01,920 --> 04:42:02,563 What number? 5044 04:42:02,563 --> 04:42:03,430 Thank you very much. 5045 04:42:03,430 --> 04:42:05,324 Okay, 6 on page 4. 5046 04:42:05,324 --> 04:42:09,538 It's 6:08 now, and we are reconvened after that short recess. 5047 04:42:09,538 --> 04:42:13,060 Thank you very much. Um, We did the consent docket. 5048 04:42:13,060 --> 04:42:15,616 And Miss Smith, what were you saying? 5049 04:42:15,616 --> 04:42:18,701 Well, we— I believe we are at item 6 on page 4. 5050 04:42:18,701 --> 04:42:20,203 Beautiful. Thank you, everyone. 5051 04:42:20,203 --> 04:42:21,269 These are all second orders. 5052 04:42:21,269 --> 04:42:25,532 Okay. Yep. Uh, moving on to agenda item number 6, 5053 04:42:25,532 --> 04:42:30,143 case number CER-24-00410, Thaddeus S. Wiley, Tammy L. 5054 04:42:30,143 --> 04:42:35,103 Wiley, um, 4036 Church Creek Point, Largo, Florida 33774. 5055 04:42:35,103 --> 04:42:39,801 We have Chief Code Officer Yes, thank you, Code Board. 5056 04:42:39,849 --> 04:42:42,877 I just want to start off, since nobody's here, 5057 04:42:42,877 --> 04:42:45,970 I can kind of just put these in the record now. 5058 04:42:45,970 --> 04:42:49,853 It's going to be Code Enforcement case number CER-24-00405, 5059 04:42:49,853 --> 04:42:53,802 case number CER-24-00384, and code case number CER-24-00410. 5060 04:42:53,802 --> 04:42:57,422 Um, it was the same situation that is in the beginning. 5061 04:42:57,422 --> 04:43:00,581 Um, I put West Bay Drive, forgot to put that we— 5062 04:43:00,581 --> 04:43:03,872 they were posted at Largo City Hall, which is 440. 5063 04:43:03,872 --> 04:43:07,558 It does say Largo City Hall, but it does say located at. 5064 04:43:07,558 --> 04:43:11,178 I didn't put the 440 for these 3 affidavit of postings, 5065 04:43:11,178 --> 04:43:14,403 but for the notices that were sent to the owners, 5066 04:43:14,403 --> 04:43:17,101 nothing was wrong with anything on there. 5067 04:43:17,101 --> 04:43:21,840 I just want that to be known on the record for the next few affidavit of 5068 04:43:21,840 --> 04:43:22,893 non-compliances. 5069 04:43:22,893 --> 04:43:24,316 Okay, thank you. 5070 04:43:24,316 --> 04:43:27,114 And right here we have item number 6. 5071 04:43:27,114 --> 04:43:32,935 That's code enforcement case number CER-24-00410. That's going to be Thaddeus 5072 04:43:32,935 --> 04:43:33,087 CER-24-00410. That's going to be Thaddeus S. 5073 04:43:33,087 --> 04:43:37,774 Wiley, 4036 Church Creek Point. The property is not compliant. 5074 04:43:37,774 --> 04:43:41,857 As you can see, that's the affidavit of noncompliance. 5075 04:43:41,857 --> 04:43:45,108 They were to comply on or before 7/18/2026, 5076 04:43:45,108 --> 04:43:50,779 and the property is supposed to accrue fines on 7/19/2026 if not compliant. 5077 04:43:50,779 --> 04:43:58,257 I move in case number CER 24-00410 for the property located at 4036 5078 04:43:58,257 --> 04:44:02,834 Church Creek Point, Largo, Florida 33774, 5079 04:44:02,834 --> 04:44:08,861 to find the respondents Thaddeus S. Wiley and Tammy L. 5080 04:44:08,861 --> 04:44:16,116 Wiley did not correct the violation on or before July 18th, 2026, 5081 04:44:16,116 --> 04:44:21,139 and to accept the affidavit of noncompliance. 5082 04:44:21,139 --> 04:44:21,846 I'll second. 5083 04:44:21,846 --> 04:44:26,231 Got a motion by Ms. Smith and a second By Miss 5084 04:44:26,231 --> 04:44:30,521 Marsh by half a second. All in favor say aye. 5085 04:44:30,521 --> 04:44:31,096 Aye. 5086 04:44:31,096 --> 04:44:33,984 Any opposed? Motion passes. 5087 04:44:33,984 --> 04:44:35,645 Go. 5088 04:44:35,645 --> 04:44:37,193 Agenda item number 8. 5089 04:44:37,193 --> 04:44:37,999 Pushing it on. 5090 04:44:37,999 --> 04:44:41,462 Case number CER-24-00405, Courtney B. 5091 04:44:41,462 --> 04:44:46,422 Hogan, 1997 Church Creek Point, Largo, Florida 33774. 5092 04:44:46,422 --> 04:44:48,668 Chief Code Officer Cruz. 5093 04:44:48,668 --> 04:44:53,384 Thank you. This is for code enforcement case number CER-24-00405. 5094 04:44:53,384 --> 04:44:58,028 The property owners were to comply on or before July 29th, 2026. 5095 04:44:58,028 --> 04:45:03,905 Um, the property has not. As you can see, that's the affidavit of non-compliance. 5096 04:45:03,905 --> 04:45:08,621 The property is to accrue fines at $250 a day starting July 30th. 5097 04:45:08,621 --> 04:45:12,971 And I— they usually like me to ask if there's anyone in the chambers to speak to 5098 04:45:12,971 --> 04:45:16,288 this case before, you know, discussing. I do see no one here. 5099 04:45:16,288 --> 04:45:19,767 at all for any of the remaining cases, but I'll continue to ask. 5100 04:45:19,767 --> 04:45:22,051 But yes, please, I'm looking for a motion. 5101 04:45:22,051 --> 04:45:27,800 I move in case number CER 24-00405 for the property located at 1997 Church 5102 04:45:27,800 --> 04:45:31,373 Creek Point to find the respondent Courtney B. 5103 04:45:31,373 --> 04:45:36,423 Hogan did not correct the violation on or before July 29th, 2026, 5104 04:45:36,423 --> 04:45:39,919 and to accept the affidavit of noncompliance. 5105 04:45:39,919 --> 04:45:40,160 Second. 5106 04:45:40,160 --> 04:45:40,691 Second. 5107 04:45:40,691 --> 04:45:44,538 Got a motion by Ms. Smith and a second by Ms. Marsh by 1.5 seconds. 5108 04:45:44,538 --> 04:45:45,744 All in favor say aye. 5109 04:45:45,744 --> 04:45:46,245 Aye. 5110 04:45:46,245 --> 04:45:50,396 Any opposed? Motion passes. Thank you very much. 5111 04:45:50,396 --> 04:45:56,018 We are moving on to, I believe, agenda item number 10. Thank you. 5112 04:45:56,018 --> 04:46:02,677 We are at case number CER-26-00110, Timothy Auti at 510 6th Avenue Northeast, 5113 04:46:02,677 --> 04:46:07,001 Largo, Florida 33770. We have Code Officer Semino. 5114 04:46:07,001 --> 04:46:11,251 So Code Officer Sue Semino. So the first hearing was May 28th. 5115 04:46:11,251 --> 04:46:15,569 He was supposed to come into compliance on or before June 25th. 5116 04:46:15,569 --> 04:46:20,915 $50 fine started on June 26th, and the affidavit of noncompliance is attached. 5117 04:46:20,915 --> 04:46:28,573 I move in case number CER26-00110 for the property located at 510 5118 04:46:28,573 --> 04:46:33,638 6th Avenue Northeast, Largo, Florida 33770, 5119 04:46:33,638 --> 04:46:41,414 to fine the respondent respondent Timothy Auty did not correct the 5120 04:46:41,414 --> 04:46:45,891 violations on or before June 25, 2026, 5121 04:46:45,891 --> 04:46:51,310 and to accept the affidavit of non-compliance. 5122 04:46:51,310 --> 04:46:54,044 Second. 5123 04:46:54,044 --> 04:46:57,261 We've got a motion by Miss Marsh, a second by Mr. Bach. 5124 04:46:57,261 --> 04:47:01,881 Uh, there is no one in the chambers to speak to this case before I call for the 5125 04:47:01,881 --> 04:47:05,156 vote, um, so I will take the vote. All in favor say aye. 5126 04:47:05,156 --> 04:47:05,431 Aye. 5127 04:47:05,431 --> 04:47:08,745 Any opposed? Motion passes. 5128 04:47:08,745 --> 04:47:15,862 Agenda item number 11, case number CER-26-00178, Wesley M. 5129 04:47:15,862 --> 04:47:21,385 Sias at 1634 Loretta Avenue Northwest, Largo, 5130 04:47:21,385 --> 04:47:26,662 Florida 33770. We have Code Officer Knotts. 5131 04:47:26,662 --> 04:47:30,699 This case was heard on May 28th for its first hearing. 5132 04:47:30,699 --> 04:47:34,138 It was to comply on or before June 28th, 2026, 5133 04:47:34,138 --> 04:47:37,577 with $50 day fine to start on June 29th, 2026, 5134 04:47:37,577 --> 04:47:40,717 and it has failed to come into compliance. 5135 04:47:40,717 --> 04:47:43,707 This is the affidavit of non-compliance. 5136 04:47:43,707 --> 04:47:47,410 I see the affidavit. Is there anyone here to speak to this case? I'm seeing no one. 5137 04:47:47,410 --> 04:47:48,347 Looking for a motion. 5138 04:47:48,347 --> 04:47:50,804 I'll make the motion. 5139 04:47:50,804 --> 04:47:57,941 I move in case number CER-2600178 for the property located at 5140 04:47:57,941 --> 04:48:05,195 164 Loretta Avenue Northwest, to find the respondent Wesley M. 5141 04:48:05,195 --> 04:48:12,098 Sias did not correct the violations on or before June 28th, 5142 04:48:12,098 --> 04:48:17,363 and to accept the affidavit of noncompliance. 5143 04:48:17,363 --> 04:48:18,230 I'll second that. 5144 04:48:18,230 --> 04:48:22,108 Okay, I've got a motion by Ms. Hoskin and a second by Ms. Saffarelli. 5145 04:48:22,108 --> 04:48:23,288 All in favor say aye. 5146 04:48:23,288 --> 04:48:23,737 Aye. 5147 04:48:23,737 --> 04:48:27,756 Any opposed? Motion passes. Thank you very much. 5148 04:48:27,756 --> 04:48:31,189 Turning to page 7, agenda item number 14, 5149 04:48:31,189 --> 04:48:32,026 I believe. 5150 04:48:32,026 --> 04:48:32,928 Mm-hmm. Right. 5151 04:48:32,928 --> 04:48:40,938 Case— thank you. Case number CER-25-01131, Richard Denike. I'm going to say Denike. 5152 04:48:40,938 --> 04:48:48,852 12760 Indian Rocks Road, Unit 1071, Largo, Florida 33774. Chief Code Officer Cruz. 5153 04:48:48,852 --> 04:48:51,187 Thank you, Code Board. 5154 04:48:51,380 --> 04:48:55,844 This is from the first hearing that was held on April 30th, 2026. 5155 04:48:55,844 --> 04:48:59,689 The property was to comply on or before June 28th, 2026. 5156 04:48:59,689 --> 04:49:04,427 If not, there is to be a $150 a day fine to start on June 29th, 2026. 5157 04:49:04,427 --> 04:49:09,921 As you can see, that is the affidavit of non-compliance. They are not compliant. 5158 04:49:09,921 --> 04:49:12,046 Okay, I see the affidavit of non-compliance. Thank you. 5159 04:49:12,046 --> 04:49:15,060 Is there anyone here in the chambers to speak to this case? I'm seeing no one. 5160 04:49:15,060 --> 04:49:16,026 I'm looking for a motion. 5161 04:49:16,026 --> 04:49:23,796 All right, I move in case CER 25- 01131 for the property located 5162 04:49:23,796 --> 04:49:29,381 at 12760 Indian Rocks Road 0— excuse me, 1071, 5163 04:49:29,381 --> 04:49:36,545 to find the respondent Richard Denaiche did not correct the 5164 04:49:36,545 --> 04:49:44,315 violations on or before June 28th and to accept the affidavit of 5165 04:49:44,315 --> 04:49:46,986 noncompliance. Second. 5166 04:49:47,613 --> 04:49:48,179 I'll second that. 5167 04:49:48,179 --> 04:49:52,466 We've got a motion by Ms. Hoskin, a second by Ms. Saffarelli. All in favor say aye. 5168 04:49:52,466 --> 04:49:52,951 Aye. 5169 04:49:52,951 --> 04:49:55,949 Any opposed? Motion passes. 5170 04:49:55,949 --> 04:50:01,280 Agenda item number 16, case number CER-26-00373, 5171 04:50:01,280 --> 04:50:07,166 Baran Basen at 1899 Oak Park Drive South, Clearwater, 5172 04:50:07,166 --> 04:50:11,053 Florida 33764. Code Officer Semino. 5173 04:50:12,979 --> 04:50:18,073 Okay, so they had their first hearing on June 26th, 2026, and the, uh, 5174 04:50:18,073 --> 04:50:22,803 they were supposed to come into compliance on or before July 9th. 5175 04:50:22,803 --> 04:50:28,698 A $250 fee had started on July 10th. The affidavit of non-compliance is attached. 5176 04:50:28,698 --> 04:50:29,968 Okay, thank you for that. 5177 04:50:29,968 --> 04:50:33,779 I'm, uh, wondering if there's anyone in the chambers to speak to this case. 5178 04:50:33,779 --> 04:50:35,811 I'm seeing no one. Looking for a motion. 5179 04:50:35,811 --> 04:50:42,886 I move in case number CER 26-00373 for the property located at 1899 Oak Park Drive 5180 04:50:42,886 --> 04:50:46,509 South, Largo or Clearwater, Florida 33764, 5181 04:50:46,509 --> 04:50:53,498 and to find the respondent Varun Basin did not correct the violation on or before 5182 04:50:53,498 --> 04:50:58,761 July 9th, 2026, and to accept the affidavit of noncompliance. 5183 04:50:58,761 --> 04:50:59,756 Second. 5184 04:50:59,756 --> 04:51:04,955 I've got a motion by Ms. Smith, and I'm going to give that second to Mr. Bock. 5185 04:51:05,304 --> 04:51:06,615 That's what I got. 5186 04:51:06,615 --> 04:51:08,494 All in favor say aye. 5187 04:51:08,494 --> 04:51:08,898 Aye. 5188 04:51:08,898 --> 04:51:12,133 Any opposed? Motion passes. 5189 04:51:12,133 --> 04:51:17,286 All right, first orders, I believe. Page 9. 5190 04:51:17,286 --> 04:51:23,636 Yes, item number 18. Okay, no, this is a first order. 5191 04:51:23,636 --> 04:51:30,466 We have case number CER-26-00136, Jacqueline Bashu at 50— 5192 04:51:30,466 --> 04:51:37,176 excuse me, 570 Mack McCrillis Road. Code Officer Semino. 5193 04:51:37,176 --> 04:51:41,732 Code Officer Sue Semino representing the City of Largo. 5194 04:51:41,732 --> 04:51:47,614 This is for case number CER 2600136. Respondent is Jacqueline Bushwell. 5195 04:51:47,614 --> 04:51:53,330 Uh, the property address is 570 McCrillis Road, Largo, Florida 33770. 5196 04:51:53,330 --> 04:51:54,987 Home exemption, yes. 5197 04:51:54,987 --> 04:52:01,034 The violations were COO 5-8, animal or animal premises Creating nuisance. 5198 04:52:01,034 --> 04:52:02,009 Yes. 5199 04:52:02,009 --> 04:52:06,499 Uh, COO 11-47, duty of owners and occupants, and COO 11-75, inoperable 5200 04:52:06,499 --> 04:52:07,076 occupants, and COO 11-75, inoperable vehicles. 5201 04:52:07,076 --> 04:52:11,117 The initial inspection of the property was performed on 3/3/26. 5202 04:52:11,117 --> 04:52:13,682 The notice of violation dated on 3/6/26. 5203 04:52:13,682 --> 04:52:18,685 Notice violation compliance date 4/2/26, and the reinspection date was 4/3/26. 5204 04:52:18,685 --> 04:52:21,379 The reinspection result was non-compliant. 5205 04:52:21,379 --> 04:52:26,126 The notice of violation was sent via certified mail to the listed property 5206 04:52:26,126 --> 04:52:26,703 certified mail to the listed property owner and 5207 04:52:26,703 --> 04:52:29,204 the Pinellas County Property Appraiser, 5208 04:52:29,204 --> 04:52:32,604 and the notice of hearing was posted on the property, 5209 04:52:32,604 --> 04:52:34,720 posted in the lobby of City Hall, 5210 04:52:34,720 --> 04:52:39,595 and sent certified mail to the listed property owner and the Pinellas County 5211 04:52:39,595 --> 04:52:41,391 Property Appraiser's office. 5212 04:52:41,391 --> 04:52:45,624 This is the notice of hearing posted on the property on 7/15/2026. 5213 04:52:45,624 --> 04:52:47,933 This is a photo taken from 3/3/2026. 5214 04:52:47,933 --> 04:52:52,423 This is the junk trash and debris Uh, this was the inoperable vehicle. 5215 04:52:52,423 --> 04:52:56,015 This has been removed since then, so this is not in the, 5216 04:52:56,015 --> 04:52:58,644 the final reading where you guys do that. 5217 04:52:58,644 --> 04:53:01,723 But just so you can see more of the junk, trash, 5218 04:53:01,723 --> 04:53:04,481 and debris in between the vehicles as well. 5219 04:53:04,481 --> 04:53:08,119 I actually would, Co-Board, if we could make sure that that's— 5220 04:53:08,119 --> 04:53:10,466 it's been well past the compliance date. 5221 04:53:10,466 --> 04:53:14,456 Um, so just make sure that that inoperative vehicle, just for repeat 5222 04:53:14,456 --> 04:53:14,984 inoperative vehicle, just for repeat purposes. 5223 04:53:14,984 --> 04:53:17,165 Thank you. Leave it in the motion. Okay. 5224 04:53:17,262 --> 04:53:19,750 Okay, okay. 5225 04:53:20,296 --> 04:53:23,950 And this is another photo I kind of took a little closer of more of the junk, trash, 5226 04:53:23,950 --> 04:53:25,081 and debris. She just said— 5227 04:53:25,081 --> 04:53:25,161 Wow. 5228 04:53:25,161 --> 04:53:29,717 She has a lot of things she just likes to collect and keep them around. 5229 04:53:29,717 --> 04:53:31,963 Um, but that was also— this is, uh, 5230 04:53:31,963 --> 04:53:36,327 the notice of violation that was posted on the property on 3/6/2026. 5231 04:53:36,327 --> 04:53:40,305 And there's more photos that I took from 3/6 when I went back. 5232 04:53:40,305 --> 04:53:44,412 You can see this, the amount of stuff is just Badly accumulated. 5233 04:53:44,412 --> 04:53:47,437 Was the animal— 5234 04:53:47,437 --> 04:53:50,043 Oh, sorry, go ahead. 5235 04:53:50,043 --> 04:53:52,524 Was the animal vicious? 5236 04:53:52,524 --> 04:53:58,107 No, the animal— what animal? I don't see an animal yet. 5237 04:53:58,107 --> 04:54:01,308 I'm looking at 18. Are those stuffed animals? 5238 04:54:01,308 --> 04:54:05,541 Those are— yes, those are plushy toys. Yes, plushy things everywhere. 5239 04:54:05,541 --> 04:54:08,117 So this is photos that I did take on 6/10. 5240 04:54:08,117 --> 04:54:10,755 You can see she did make Some improvements, 5241 04:54:10,755 --> 04:54:14,681 which is why I didn't do the hearing until, you know, right now. 5242 04:54:14,681 --> 04:54:16,889 So she was making some improvements. 5243 04:54:16,889 --> 04:54:21,306 She got rid of the RV that was gone, and she had a lot of it cleaned up. 5244 04:54:21,306 --> 04:54:25,416 So, but, so the corrective action is to remove all the junk, trash, 5245 04:54:25,416 --> 04:54:30,078 and debris from the property, cease to feed or distribute grain, other food, 5246 04:54:30,078 --> 04:54:33,635 or garbage of any kind as to not create a public nuisance, 5247 04:54:33,635 --> 04:54:37,745 and keep all vehicles fully operable and have a valid registration. 5248 04:54:37,745 --> 04:54:42,714 So staff recommends giving the respondent, Jacqueline Boucher, until August 25th, 5249 04:54:42,714 --> 04:54:44,432 2026, to achieve compliance. 5250 04:54:44,432 --> 04:54:46,272 If compliance is not achieved, 5251 04:54:46,272 --> 04:54:50,627 staff recommends the Code Enforcement Board impose a fine of $250 a day 5252 04:54:50,627 --> 04:54:51,363 Board impose a fine of $250 a day beginning on 5253 04:54:51,363 --> 04:54:55,351 August 26th, 2026, until the property is brought into compliance, 5254 04:54:55,351 --> 04:55:00,074 with the fine not to exceed the just market value established by the Pinellas 5255 04:55:00,074 --> 04:55:00,442 market value established by the Pinellas County 5256 04:55:00,442 --> 04:55:02,405 Property Appraisers of $104,070. 5257 04:55:02,405 --> 04:55:02,606 Second. 5258 04:55:03,728 --> 04:55:07,964 Now, if I can add, today I did go to the property and I spoke to Jacqueline, 5259 04:55:07,964 --> 04:55:11,252 and she was— she, she had no ride to get here at all today. 5260 04:55:11,252 --> 04:55:14,987 I explained to her what was going to kind of go on, that, you know, 5261 04:55:14,987 --> 04:55:18,442 I was going to give a recommendation of 30 days and an amount, 5262 04:55:18,442 --> 04:55:22,009 but she asked me to inform you guys, if I'm allowed to even say, 5263 04:55:22,009 --> 04:55:25,967 that she would like to have an additional, you know, 30 days on top of, 5264 04:55:25,967 --> 04:55:29,088 so a full of 60 days, and she cannot afford that amount. 5265 04:55:29,088 --> 04:55:29,185 Okay. 5266 04:55:29,728 --> 04:55:31,727 But I told her that would be completely up to you guys. 5267 04:55:31,727 --> 04:55:36,587 Can you talk a little more about all the violation for 5A, 5268 04:55:36,587 --> 04:55:40,524 animals or animal premises creating a nuisance? 5269 04:55:40,524 --> 04:55:42,619 What is she distributing? 5270 04:55:42,619 --> 04:55:47,763 So when I went out there on the second visit to post the notice of violation, 5271 04:55:47,763 --> 04:55:49,367 I actually met with, uh, 5272 04:55:49,367 --> 04:55:53,710 this Officer Putterbaum from the City of Largo Police Department. 5273 04:55:53,710 --> 04:55:55,848 So he did a safety check on her. 5274 04:55:55,848 --> 04:55:59,923 I guess the city of Largo has provided her with a cell phone, 5275 04:55:59,923 --> 04:56:05,201 and the only time she would ever use the cell phone was to order grain from the 5276 04:56:05,201 --> 04:56:05,469 cell phone was to order grain from the feed 5277 04:56:05,469 --> 04:56:09,277 store. And a neighbor did witness her feeding rats, cats, 5278 04:56:09,277 --> 04:56:11,348 and all kinds of other animals. 5279 04:56:11,348 --> 04:56:15,457 I'm assuming this is an 5280 04:56:15,457 --> 04:56:19,924 elderly lady? Yes, it is. 5281 04:56:19,924 --> 04:56:22,680 In any of the pictures Officer Cimino, 5282 04:56:22,680 --> 04:56:27,540 do you have any bowls or anything that is there to the left on that 5283 04:56:27,540 --> 04:56:30,078 bottom left? Is that kind of where— 5284 04:56:30,078 --> 04:56:33,407 There are little bowls there, yeah, but she would just kind of throw the— 5285 04:56:33,407 --> 04:56:34,546 according to the witness, 5286 04:56:34,546 --> 04:56:38,149 she would throw the grain just on the ground and all the animals would come and 5287 04:56:38,149 --> 04:56:38,331 ground and all the animals would come and eat. 5288 04:56:38,331 --> 04:56:40,686 Did you witness it yourself, like kind of the feed or something? 5289 04:56:40,686 --> 04:56:46,240 No. Officer Quattlebaum did go into the property and he did see droppings 5290 04:56:46,240 --> 04:56:48,218 throughout, so— oh, sorry. 5291 04:56:49,693 --> 04:56:52,791 Okay, so it's, it's testimonial, um, 5292 04:56:52,791 --> 04:56:57,524 evidence that you acquire from a witness of the alleged 5293 04:56:57,524 --> 04:56:58,987 violation, right? 5294 04:56:58,987 --> 04:56:59,292 Correct. 5295 04:56:59,292 --> 04:57:00,399 And the neighbor witness? 5296 04:57:00,399 --> 04:57:01,908 Yeah, the neighbor that lives right across the way. 5297 04:57:01,908 --> 04:57:05,102 That neighbor witness is not, not present today? 5298 04:57:05,102 --> 04:57:06,033 No. 5299 04:57:06,033 --> 04:57:11,057 But you saw evidence of what she alleged? You saw the grain on the ground? 5300 04:57:11,057 --> 04:57:14,927 I did not see grain on the ground, but there were droppings from the animals. 5301 04:57:14,927 --> 04:57:18,796 And like I said, Cuadralbaum testified that the phone that they provided with 5302 04:57:18,796 --> 04:57:18,997 that the phone that they provided with her, 5303 04:57:18,997 --> 04:57:21,108 you know, that she needed in an emergency, 5304 04:57:21,108 --> 04:57:24,978 the only time she ever used the phone was to order grain from the feed store. 5305 04:57:24,978 --> 04:57:29,787 Interesting. I have no objection to adding time. 5306 04:57:29,787 --> 04:57:35,199 All right. I move in case number CER 26-00136 to find the respondent, 5307 04:57:35,199 --> 04:57:41,002 Jacqueline Bouchoux, in violation of the City of Largo Code of Ordinances, 5308 04:57:41,002 --> 04:57:43,041 Section C005-8 and C005-9. 5309 04:57:43,041 --> 04:57:49,080 11-47 for the property located at 570 Mac Crillis Road, Largo, Florida 33770, 5310 04:57:49,080 --> 04:57:54,649 and to assess a fine of $100 per day beginning on September 30th, 2026, 5311 04:57:54,649 --> 04:57:56,923 until compliance is achieved, 5312 04:57:56,923 --> 04:58:01,786 with the fine not exceeding the just market value of $104,070, 5313 04:58:01,786 --> 04:58:08,217 and to order the respondent to contact the Community Standards Division to arrange 5314 04:58:08,217 --> 04:58:14,491 for a re-inspection of the property to verify compliance with the board's order. 5315 04:58:14,491 --> 04:58:15,040 Second. 5316 04:58:15,040 --> 04:58:18,247 I've got a motion by Ms. Smith, a second— 5317 04:58:18,247 --> 04:58:19,690 Was— 5318 04:58:19,690 --> 04:58:21,440 No, I misspoke. She came into compliance. 5319 04:58:21,440 --> 04:58:24,171 They did it perfectly, and I didn't even want to slow them down. 5320 04:58:24,171 --> 04:58:26,816 Um, the in-op came into compliance before the compliance date. 5321 04:58:26,816 --> 04:58:29,590 We'll just make sure that it's not in the presentation next time. 5322 04:58:29,590 --> 04:58:31,553 So there's a little confusion, so I apologize. 5323 04:58:31,553 --> 04:58:34,999 Okay, thank you. So your, your motion is correct. 5324 04:58:35,288 --> 04:58:38,020 Motion, it's okay as stands, as it stands. 5325 04:58:38,020 --> 04:58:38,968 Okay, okay. 5326 04:58:39,064 --> 04:58:42,278 Motion by Ms. Smith and a second by Ms. Hoskin. No, no. 5327 04:58:42,278 --> 04:58:44,206 All right. She got it in. 5328 04:58:44,206 --> 04:58:44,801 Got one in there. 5329 04:58:44,801 --> 04:58:45,411 Under the wire. 5330 04:58:45,411 --> 04:58:45,942 I beat you. 5331 04:58:45,942 --> 04:58:48,400 Um, all in favor say aye. 5332 04:58:48,400 --> 04:58:48,882 Aye. 5333 04:58:48,882 --> 04:58:51,727 Any opposed? Motion passes. 5334 04:58:51,727 --> 04:58:56,047 Okay, do I see agenda item number 28? Mr. 5335 04:58:56,047 --> 04:58:57,944 Berger on his way. 5336 04:58:57,944 --> 04:58:59,632 Ms. Semedo, I think you have to come back. 5337 04:58:59,632 --> 04:59:00,949 Oh wait, what is it? Did I miss one? 5338 04:59:01,450 --> 04:59:04,190 Number 28, Miss Semino. 28, 10. 5339 04:59:04,190 --> 04:59:06,960 I thought it was 23rd. Did we do 23rd? 5340 04:59:06,960 --> 04:59:11,070 No, 19 and 20 are not raised. 5341 04:59:11,070 --> 04:59:13,650 We did, we did 23. 5342 04:59:13,650 --> 04:59:14,550 21. 5343 04:59:14,550 --> 04:59:15,870 21 was the hooded— 5344 04:59:15,870 --> 04:59:17,089 Oh, we did that. Yes. 5345 04:59:17,089 --> 04:59:17,590 Oh, okay. 5346 04:59:17,590 --> 04:59:18,910 I believe we're on 28. 5347 04:59:18,910 --> 04:59:19,170 Yes. 5348 04:59:19,170 --> 04:59:21,970 Is that right? Yeah, 28, 10. Thank you. 5349 04:59:21,970 --> 04:59:24,450 These are my buddies. Yeah, I want this one. 5350 04:59:24,450 --> 04:59:28,593 All right, here we go. Recuse Here we go. 5351 04:59:28,593 --> 04:59:33,443 Agenda item number 28, case number CER-26-00470, 5352 04:59:33,443 --> 04:59:39,101 Jackson Sharp and Jacob Hanson at 1842 Del Robles Drive, 5353 04:59:39,101 --> 04:59:43,850 Clearwater, Florida 33764. Code Officer Semino. 5354 04:59:43,850 --> 04:59:47,484 Code Officer Sue Semino representing the City of Largo. 5355 04:59:47,484 --> 04:59:49,928 This is for case number CER-26-00470. 5356 04:59:49,928 --> 04:59:53,298 The respondents are Jackson Sharp And Jacob Hanson. 5357 04:59:53,298 --> 04:59:58,716 The property address is 1842 Del Robles Largo, Florida 33770. Home exemptions, no. 5358 04:59:58,716 --> 05:00:03,473 The violations were COO 11-48, excessive overgrowth of weeds and debris, 5359 05:00:03,473 --> 05:00:06,049 and COO 20-71, placement of containers. 5360 05:00:06,049 --> 05:00:09,617 The initial inspection of the property was on 5/27/26. 5361 05:00:09,617 --> 05:00:13,185 The notice of violation compliance date was on 6/ Yes. 5362 05:00:13,185 --> 05:00:15,563 The date of the hearing was 6/10/26. 5363 05:00:15,563 --> 05:00:20,849 The reinspection date was 6/11/26, and the reinspection result was noncompliant. 5364 05:00:20,849 --> 05:00:25,738 The notice of violation was sent via certified mail to the listed property 5365 05:00:25,738 --> 05:00:26,333 certified mail to the listed property owner and 5366 05:00:26,333 --> 05:00:29,504 the Pinellas County Property Appraiser's Office, 5367 05:00:29,504 --> 05:00:32,411 and the notice of hearing was posted in the— 5368 05:00:32,411 --> 05:00:37,895 at the property and in the lobby of City Hall and sent certified mail to the listed 5369 05:00:37,895 --> 05:00:42,322 property owner and the Pinellas County Property Appraiser's Office. 5370 05:00:42,322 --> 05:00:45,229 The notice of hearing was posted on 7/15/26. 5371 05:00:45,229 --> 05:00:49,523 And this is a photo of the overgrowth that was taken on May 27th. 5372 05:00:49,523 --> 05:00:53,091 This is a photo of the overgrowth again from May 27th. 5373 05:00:53,091 --> 05:00:57,518 And this is another photo with the containers in the background on— 5374 05:00:57,518 --> 05:01:01,944 at the curb on a non-pickup day. So— and that was May 27th as well. 5375 05:01:01,944 --> 05:01:06,569 This is just the cans sitting on the— at the curb on a non-pickup day. 5376 05:01:06,569 --> 05:01:11,458 So this is from 6/2 with the cans sitting at the curb on a non-pickup day, 5377 05:01:11,458 --> 05:01:16,017 and this is the cans on 6/23 sitting at the curb on a non-pickup day. 5378 05:01:16,017 --> 05:01:19,387 Every time I go by the property, the cans are down. 5379 05:01:19,387 --> 05:01:21,765 They have since then mowed the lawn, 5380 05:01:21,765 --> 05:01:27,315 but I would like to keep it in the motion because I have a lot of problems with this 5381 05:01:27,315 --> 05:01:32,006 property. So this way, if it happens again, I can get them as a repeat. 5382 05:01:32,006 --> 05:01:32,762 Okay. 5383 05:01:32,762 --> 05:01:37,393 So the corrective action is to cut and maintain the grass and weeds below 12 5384 05:01:37,393 --> 05:01:37,758 maintain the grass and weeds below 12 inches 5385 05:01:37,758 --> 05:01:42,511 in height Automated containers shall be placed near the curb for collection no 5386 05:01:42,511 --> 05:01:47,385 earlier than 6:00 PM the evening before the collection and removed no later than 5387 05:01:47,385 --> 05:01:49,213 7:00 PM the day of collection. 5388 05:01:49,213 --> 05:01:53,783 Staff recommends giving the respondent Jackson Sharp and Jacob Hansen until 5389 05:01:53,783 --> 05:01:54,149 Jackson Sharp and Jacob Hansen until August 5390 05:01:54,149 --> 05:01:56,159 10th, 2026 to achieve compliance. 5391 05:01:56,159 --> 05:01:57,987 If compliance is not achieved, 5392 05:01:57,987 --> 05:02:02,435 staff recommends the Code Enforcement Board impose a fine of $250 per day 5393 05:02:02,435 --> 05:02:02,984 Board impose a fine of $250 per day beginning 5394 05:02:02,984 --> 05:02:07,797 on August 11th until the property is brought into compliance with a fine not to 5395 05:02:07,797 --> 05:02:12,855 exceed the just market value established by the Pinellas County Property Appraisers 5396 05:02:12,855 --> 05:02:16,876 of $503,508. Did I say that right? That concludes my presentation. 5397 05:02:16,876 --> 05:02:19,653 Thank you very much. Is there anyone in the chambers to speak to this case today? 5398 05:02:20,440 --> 05:02:27,580 Seeing no one, I'm moving case number CER 26-00470 to find the respondent Jackson 5399 05:02:27,580 --> 05:02:34,456 Sharp and Jacob Hanson In violation of the City of Largo COO Section 20-71 and 5400 05:02:34,456 --> 05:02:40,362 COO 11-48 for the property located at 1842 Del Robles Drive, Largo, 5401 05:02:40,362 --> 05:02:47,150 Florida 33764, and to assess a fine of $250 per day beginning on August 11th, 5402 05:02:47,150 --> 05:02:50,147 2026 until compliance is achieved, 5403 05:02:50,147 --> 05:02:57,023 with the fine not exceeding the just market value of $503,508 and to order the 5404 05:02:57,023 --> 05:03:03,282 respondent to contact the Community Standards Division to arrange for a 5405 05:03:03,282 --> 05:03:09,805 re-inspection of the property to verify compliance with the board's order. 5406 05:03:09,805 --> 05:03:10,865 Second. 5407 05:03:10,865 --> 05:03:14,753 Thank you. I've got a motion by Mr. Bock and a second by Ms. Smith. 5408 05:03:14,753 --> 05:03:15,971 All in favor say aye. 5409 05:03:15,971 --> 05:03:16,453 Aye. 5410 05:03:16,453 --> 05:03:20,581 Aye. Any opposed? Motion passes. 5411 05:03:20,581 --> 05:03:24,579 Moving on to agenda item number 5412 05:03:24,579 --> 05:03:24,966 30. 5413 05:03:24,966 --> 05:03:26,292 You guys have already got— 5414 05:03:26,292 --> 05:03:26,842 Is it 31? 5415 05:03:26,842 --> 05:03:28,152 2. 2. 5416 05:03:28,152 --> 05:03:29,559 $1,250 a day. 5417 05:03:29,559 --> 05:03:29,979 2. 5418 05:03:29,979 --> 05:03:31,266 Don't— 2. 5419 05:03:31,266 --> 05:03:31,990 I'm back. 5420 05:03:31,990 --> 05:03:36,554 Agenda item number 31. Okay, I see that. 5421 05:03:36,554 --> 05:03:42,032 Case number CER-26-00531. I recognize this name. 5422 05:03:42,032 --> 05:03:47,280 Uh, Verum Bassin at 1899 Oak Park Drive South. 5423 05:03:47,280 --> 05:03:53,100 Clearwater, Florida 33764. Code Officer Sue Semino. 5424 05:03:53,100 --> 05:03:55,050 Okay, recognize the name as— 5425 05:03:55,050 --> 05:03:56,990 No, I'm sorry, I think we just saw this name. 5426 05:03:56,990 --> 05:03:57,730 We saw it, yes. 5427 05:03:57,730 --> 05:04:00,304 It was the second building without permit. 5428 05:04:00,304 --> 05:04:03,490 This is a first for— we did— vacation rental, right? 5429 05:04:03,490 --> 05:04:06,020 So I was wondering. Okay, okay, thank you. 5430 05:04:06,030 --> 05:04:07,703 Sorry for the confusion. 5431 05:04:07,703 --> 05:04:13,281 Code Officer Sue Semino representing the City of Largo, case number CER-2600531. 5432 05:04:13,281 --> 05:04:14,955 The respondents are Yes. 5433 05:04:14,955 --> 05:04:20,254 Uh, the property address is 1899 Oak Park Drive South, Largo, Florida 33764. 5434 05:04:20,254 --> 05:04:21,649 Home extensions, no. 5435 05:04:21,649 --> 05:04:23,950 The violations were CDC 15.18.B1, 5436 05:04:23,950 --> 05:04:28,203 short-term vacation rentals minimum life safety requirements. 5437 05:04:28,203 --> 05:04:32,456 CDC 15.18.B2, minimum life safety requirements swimming pool. 5438 05:04:32,456 --> 05:04:37,686 CDC 15.18.B3, Short-Term Vacation Rentals Minimum Life Safety Requirements, 5439 05:04:37,686 --> 05:04:42,915 CDC 15.18.B.4 Short-Term Vacation Rentals Minimum Life Safety Requirements, 5440 05:04:42,915 --> 05:04:48,144 and CDC 15.18.E Short-Term Vacation Rentals Designated Responsible Parties. 5441 05:04:48,144 --> 05:04:51,910 The initial inspection of the property was on 6/10/26. 5442 05:04:51,910 --> 05:04:55,047 The notice of violation was dated on 6/10/26. 5443 05:04:55,047 --> 05:04:58,673 The notice of violation compliance date was 7/10/26. 5444 05:04:58,673 --> 05:05:04,042 The reinspection date was on 7/11/26. The reinspection results, noncompliant. 5445 05:05:04,042 --> 05:05:09,202 The notice of violation was sent via certified mail to the listed property 5446 05:05:09,202 --> 05:05:09,829 certified mail to the listed property owner and 5447 05:05:09,829 --> 05:05:13,176 the Pinellas County Property Appraiser's Office. 5448 05:05:13,176 --> 05:05:16,872 And the notice of hearing was posted on the property, 5449 05:05:16,872 --> 05:05:19,173 posted in the lobby of City Hall, 5450 05:05:19,173 --> 05:05:24,472 and sent certified mail to the listed property owner and the Pinellas County 5451 05:05:24,472 --> 05:05:30,050 Property appraisers. This is the notice of hearing that was posted on 7/15/2026. 5452 05:05:30,050 --> 05:05:35,628 And now I got a bunch of pictures I'm just going to show you guys real quick of— 5453 05:05:35,628 --> 05:05:40,788 this was pictures taken from the website where they're advertising for the 5454 05:05:40,788 --> 05:05:42,740 short-term vacation rentals. 5455 05:05:42,740 --> 05:05:47,900 So you can just— if you need him to slow down, just tell him to slow down. 5456 05:05:47,900 --> 05:05:52,013 They got pickleball courts and swimming pools, and they've, 5457 05:05:52,013 --> 05:05:57,382 they've just done everything to this place. So The neighbors love this house. 5458 05:05:57,382 --> 05:05:59,823 They even had an airplane fly over. 5459 05:05:59,823 --> 05:06:02,263 You can see they've had one review, 5460 05:06:02,263 --> 05:06:06,935 so they just started using up this house to have people stay there. 5461 05:06:06,935 --> 05:06:11,955 This is the picture taken before it turned into the notice of violation. 5462 05:06:11,955 --> 05:06:16,069 I wish I would have got them for the demo on the pool cage, 5463 05:06:16,069 --> 05:06:17,812 but it's already gone by. 5464 05:06:17,812 --> 05:06:23,530 So, but the corrective action is to meet all short-term vacation rental inspection 5465 05:06:23,530 --> 05:06:24,436 requirements. 5466 05:06:25,010 --> 05:06:25,705 Yes. 5467 05:06:25,705 --> 05:06:30,921 Staff recommends giving the respondent, Aron Bassan, until August 20th, 2026, 5468 05:06:30,921 --> 05:06:32,411 to achieve compliance. 5469 05:06:32,411 --> 05:06:34,443 If compliance is not achieved, 5470 05:06:34,443 --> 05:06:39,388 staff recommends the Code Enforcement Board impose a fine of $250 per day 5471 05:06:39,388 --> 05:06:39,998 Board impose a fine of $250 per day beginning 5472 05:06:39,998 --> 05:06:44,604 on August 21st, 2026, until the property is brought into compliance, 5473 05:06:44,604 --> 05:06:49,820 with the fine not to exceed the just market value established by the Pinellas 5474 05:06:49,820 --> 05:06:50,227 market value established by the Pinellas County 5475 05:06:50,227 --> 05:06:54,562 Property Appraisers of $441,604. That concludes my presentation. 5476 05:06:54,562 --> 05:06:56,908 Okay, is there anyone here in the chambers to speak to this case today? 5477 05:06:58,114 --> 05:07:05,191 Seeing no one, I move in case number CER-26-00531 to find the respondent, 5478 05:07:05,191 --> 05:07:12,656 Varun Bassin, in violation of the City of Lago Comprehensive Development Code 5479 05:07:12,656 --> 05:07:20,120 Section CDC 15.18.B Sub 1, CDC 15.18.B Sub 2, CDC 15.18.B Sub 3, CDC 15.18.B, 5480 05:07:20,120 --> 05:07:27,100 Sub 4, CDC 15.18.E, but a property located at 1899 Oak Park Drive South, 5481 05:07:27,100 --> 05:07:32,820 Largo, Florida 33764, and to assess a fine of $250 per day. 5482 05:07:32,820 --> 05:07:39,703 Hmm, I would like to add per violation, beginning on August 21st, 2026. 5483 05:07:39,703 --> 05:07:42,514 Until compliance is achieved, 5484 05:07:42,514 --> 05:07:48,331 with a fine not exceeding the just market value of $441,604, 5485 05:07:48,331 --> 05:07:55,505 and to order the respondent to contact the Community Standards Division to 5486 05:07:55,505 --> 05:08:02,582 arrange for a re-inspection of the property to verify compliance with the 5487 05:08:02,582 --> 05:08:03,939 board's order. 5488 05:08:03,939 --> 05:08:07,019 That's 5, 5 times $250, 5489 05:08:07,019 --> 05:08:10,368 you're saying? So $1,250, 5490 05:08:10,368 --> 05:08:13,180 is that right? A day? 5491 05:08:13,180 --> 05:08:14,364 Per day, yes. 5492 05:08:14,364 --> 05:08:16,406 It's $1,250 a day, right? 5493 05:08:16,406 --> 05:08:21,825 Okay, I've got a motion on the floor. I'm looking for a second. 5494 05:08:21,825 --> 05:08:26,729 No one wants to second that? I'll give it another option. 5495 05:08:26,729 --> 05:08:30,771 No, I'm sorry, sir, no one seconded the motion. 5496 05:08:30,771 --> 05:08:32,922 Looking for a new motion. 5497 05:08:32,922 --> 05:08:34,773 I move in case— 5498 05:08:34,773 --> 05:08:35,114 Conversation. 5499 05:08:35,114 --> 05:08:38,990 Pardon? Or discussion. Or we could just ask Ernie to amend it. 5500 05:08:38,990 --> 05:08:41,116 to leave it at $250 a day, period, 5501 05:08:41,116 --> 05:08:46,118 because they're all going to have to be under the umbrella of short-term rental. 5502 05:08:46,118 --> 05:08:48,491 Yeah, that's what had me. It's— 5503 05:08:48,491 --> 05:08:54,360 This, this is a, a veritable pot of gold for the owner who rents these 5504 05:08:54,360 --> 05:09:00,146 out, and the only way I feel that you can get to them to comply is by 5505 05:09:00,146 --> 05:09:06,015 putting a message out that they're going to have to pay if they don't. 5506 05:09:06,930 --> 05:09:09,161 Yeah, I agree, and I think that's what we're getting more and more. 5507 05:09:09,161 --> 05:09:14,431 We have seen more and more STR cases every month, yes. 5508 05:09:14,431 --> 05:09:16,785 Do you wanna resubmit that same motion? 5509 05:09:16,785 --> 05:09:19,623 'Cause I have someone that's willing to second. 5510 05:09:19,623 --> 05:09:22,158 I don't know if it's gonna pass in a vote. 5511 05:09:22,158 --> 05:09:26,082 Okay, do you wanna put it back up as motion as previously stated? 5512 05:09:26,082 --> 05:09:26,908 Yes, I would. 5513 05:09:26,908 --> 05:09:31,152 Okay, I've got a motion by Mr. Bock and a second by Ms. Soffarelli. 5514 05:09:31,152 --> 05:09:34,382 Any discussion? Okay, I'm going to call for a vote. 5515 05:09:34,382 --> 05:09:35,712 All in favor say aye. 5516 05:09:35,712 --> 05:09:36,312 Aye. 5517 05:09:36,312 --> 05:09:36,653 Aye. 5518 05:09:36,653 --> 05:09:39,831 Uh, opposed? 5519 05:09:39,831 --> 05:09:41,454 Nay. 5520 05:09:41,454 --> 05:09:44,528 1, 2, 4, 2. Motion passes. 5521 05:09:44,528 --> 05:09:48,903 All right, um, $250 per violation per 5522 05:09:48,903 --> 05:09:50,204 day, right? 5523 05:09:50,333 --> 05:09:51,699 August 21st, correct? 5524 05:09:51,699 --> 05:09:52,454 Yes. 5525 05:09:52,454 --> 05:09:56,792 Yes, thank you. Everybody all good on that? 5526 05:09:56,792 --> 05:09:58,077 Okay, I'm gonna walk away again. 5527 05:09:59,848 --> 05:10:00,139 Ms. 5528 05:10:00,317 --> 05:10:02,143 Semino, you can step away. 5529 05:10:02,143 --> 05:10:06,989 I don't know for how long, but all right, moving on to— I believe it— 5530 05:10:07,021 --> 05:10:09,186 I'm sorry, denied it. And Mark will be next. 5531 05:10:09,251 --> 05:10:09,573 Yes, ma'am. 5532 05:10:09,670 --> 05:10:15,913 2, um, it was Roxy and I were nay. Yes, yes, thank you. 5533 05:10:17,212 --> 05:10:19,861 Yeah, we good, Ms. Gooch? 5534 05:10:19,861 --> 05:10:20,378 Uh-huh. 5535 05:10:20,378 --> 05:10:23,806 Okay, perfect. Yes, no, I get it. 5536 05:10:23,806 --> 05:10:27,960 I know you've got a very, very hard job. 5537 05:10:27,960 --> 05:10:32,634 Okay, moving on to agenda item number 32, uh, 5538 05:10:32,634 --> 05:10:36,477 case number CEC-26-00091, Balance St. 5539 05:10:36,477 --> 05:10:42,502 Pete LLC at 12046 Indian Rocks Road, Largo, Florida 33774. 5540 05:10:42,502 --> 05:10:44,579 Code Officer Rivera. 5541 05:10:44,579 --> 05:10:51,463 Yep, good evening. This is Code Officer Ruben Rivera representing the City of 5542 05:10:51,463 --> 05:10:51,999 Ruben Rivera representing the City of Largo. 5543 05:10:51,999 --> 05:10:57,274 Case number CEC-26-00091. Respondent Balance St. Pete, LLC. 5544 05:10:57,274 --> 05:11:03,175 Property address is 12046 Indian Rocks Road, Largo, Florida 33774. 5545 05:11:03,175 --> 05:11:06,304 This is not a homesteaded property. 5546 05:11:06,304 --> 05:11:12,204 Violations are COO 1147, Duty of Owners and Occupants. CDC 18.2.5. 5547 05:11:12,204 --> 05:11:19,178 5.3 General, COO 1140-48, excessive growth of weeds and debris, CDC 18.2.5.C7, 5548 05:11:19,178 --> 05:11:22,664 exterior structure overhang extensions. 5549 05:11:22,664 --> 05:11:28,118 The initial inspection took place at the property on 5/14/26. 5550 05:11:28,118 --> 05:11:31,873 The notice of violation was dated 5/20/26. 5551 05:11:31,873 --> 05:11:38,846 Notice of violation compliance date 6/22/26. Reinspection date was on 6/23/26. 5552 05:11:38,846 --> 05:11:42,601 The reinspection result was non-compliant. 5553 05:11:42,601 --> 05:11:49,217 The notice of violation was sent via certified mail to the listed property 5554 05:11:49,217 --> 05:11:50,022 certified mail to the listed property owner and 5555 05:11:50,022 --> 05:11:53,151 Pinellas County Property Appraiser. 5556 05:11:53,151 --> 05:12:00,035 The notice of hearing was posted on the property, posted in the lobby of City 5557 05:12:00,035 --> 05:12:00,482 property, posted in the lobby of City Hall, 5558 05:12:00,482 --> 05:12:07,276 and sent via certified mail to the listed property owner and Pinellas County 5559 05:12:07,276 --> 05:12:08,975 Property Appraiser. 5560 05:12:08,975 --> 05:12:10,388 Thank you. 5561 05:12:10,870 --> 05:12:17,905 This is a photo of the notice of hearing posted on 7/15/2026 at the property. 5562 05:12:17,905 --> 05:12:24,483 Uh, this is the front view of the property, of the building in question. 5563 05:12:24,483 --> 05:12:31,243 Here we can start looking— uh, seeing photos of the overgrowth and debris, 5564 05:12:31,243 --> 05:12:36,725 palm fronds, debris throughout the property, a pile of them. 5565 05:12:36,725 --> 05:12:43,486 There's more overgrowth as you see the bushes coming into the parking lot. 5566 05:12:43,486 --> 05:12:48,876 More overgrowth. That is actually a flat-screen television. 5567 05:12:48,876 --> 05:12:51,975 Hmm. 5568 05:12:51,975 --> 05:12:56,753 The refrigerator that I found in the back of the building, it is, as of now, 5569 05:12:56,753 --> 05:12:59,708 has been taken away. It's not there any longer. 5570 05:12:59,708 --> 05:13:02,286 This is just trash that's randomly there. 5571 05:13:02,286 --> 05:13:06,373 Throughout the day, every time I drive by, um, it seems like, uh, 5572 05:13:06,373 --> 05:13:11,466 homeless individuals are just camping out throughout the day and just leaving the 5573 05:13:11,466 --> 05:13:15,741 trash there. This is the view of the overhang, the damaged overhang. 5574 05:13:15,741 --> 05:13:18,696 As you can see, all the tiles are missing, and, 5575 05:13:18,696 --> 05:13:23,789 and there's some electrical wiring hanging down. Another picture of the overhang. 5576 05:13:23,789 --> 05:13:30,097 Is that stormwater? Water intrusion. 5577 05:13:30,097 --> 05:13:31,983 Go back. 5578 05:13:31,983 --> 05:13:33,332 On that overhang. 5579 05:13:33,332 --> 05:13:37,274 Wow. Are they blown up? 5580 05:13:37,355 --> 05:13:38,405 They're just blown out. 5581 05:13:38,405 --> 05:13:40,026 Yeah, blown up from— yeah, 5582 05:13:40,026 --> 05:13:44,204 some are missing and some of them are just hanging in there barely. 5583 05:13:44,204 --> 05:13:48,819 And then this here, um, that top piece, if you see toward the right, it's, 5584 05:13:48,819 --> 05:13:52,748 it's loose. Uh, I guess it's some kind of AC unit, uh, fencing, 5585 05:13:52,748 --> 05:13:55,117 some kind of either metal or aluminum, 5586 05:13:55,117 --> 05:13:58,672 and it is flapping in the air and in the wind. Dangerous. 5587 05:13:58,672 --> 05:14:01,166 So that can be a little dangerous. Yeah. 5588 05:14:01,166 --> 05:14:06,280 The corrective action would be to cut and maintain grass and weeds below 12 inches 5589 05:14:06,280 --> 05:14:10,271 in height, remove all junk, trash, and debris from the property. 5590 05:14:10,271 --> 05:14:15,384 Property must fix all areas in disrepair under the drive-through canopy and at the 5591 05:14:15,384 --> 05:14:17,442 AC fence with applicable permits. 5592 05:14:17,442 --> 05:14:21,394 Does this property have electric to it? 5593 05:14:22,570 --> 05:14:26,005 Uh, I, I don't believe it has electric on that one side, 5594 05:14:26,005 --> 05:14:30,360 but on the other side there are still some businesses that are running. 5595 05:14:30,360 --> 05:14:32,752 Um, there's like a salon or nail salon. 5596 05:14:32,752 --> 05:14:33,252 Oh. 5597 05:14:33,252 --> 05:14:38,815 Um, but so, but, but the majority of the building is unoccupied. 5598 05:14:38,815 --> 05:14:42,900 Um, as of 3/24/26, they submitted a permit, um, 5599 05:14:42,900 --> 05:14:46,725 for a new 40-unit multi-family construction. 5600 05:14:46,725 --> 05:14:53,244 Um, that's still been, uh, needing the customer's attention since mid-June. 5601 05:14:53,244 --> 05:14:55,987 Is the property vacant? 5602 05:14:55,987 --> 05:15:00,200 Yes, that, that part of it is vacant, correct. 5603 05:15:00,200 --> 05:15:06,422 And that relates back to 18.2583, the general? 5604 05:15:06,422 --> 05:15:07,148 Yes. 5605 05:15:07,148 --> 05:15:13,385 Just give the board a little bit of a 5606 05:15:13,385 --> 05:15:20,802 description of what that provision prohibits 5607 05:15:20,802 --> 05:15:28,893 since we I can pull it up really quickly just so 5608 05:15:28,893 --> 05:15:34,455 that we get it fairly accurately. 5609 05:15:34,455 --> 05:15:38,501 Just do— yeah, that one. 5610 05:15:41,049 --> 05:15:45,657 Vacant structures and land. That's correct. Subsection 3. 5611 05:15:45,657 --> 05:15:49,093 Yeah. So you're finding that it's a vacant structure? 5612 05:15:49,093 --> 05:15:49,928 Yes. 5613 05:15:49,928 --> 05:15:56,086 Yes. That's your testimony? That's not being maintained in a safe, secure 5614 05:15:56,086 --> 05:15:56,929 being maintained in a safe, secure condition? 5615 05:15:56,929 --> 05:15:57,828 That's correct. 5616 05:15:57,828 --> 05:15:59,610 To cause a blighting problem? 5617 05:15:59,610 --> 05:16:00,252 Yes. 5618 05:16:00,252 --> 05:16:01,617 You agree with that statement? 5619 05:16:01,617 --> 05:16:09,428 Okay, I do. 5620 05:16:12,428 --> 05:16:13,516 Give me a moment. 5621 05:16:14,035 --> 05:16:20,692 Uh, we're still wrong one looking at pictures. No problem. Okay, good. 5622 05:16:21,756 --> 05:16:26,150 All right, so, uh, staff recommends giving the respondent Balance St. 5623 05:16:26,150 --> 05:16:27,678 P LLC until August 31st, 5624 05:16:27,678 --> 05:16:32,199 2026 to achieve compliance if compliance If compliance is not achieved, 5625 05:16:32,199 --> 05:16:36,848 staff recommends the Code Enforcement Board impose a fine of $250 per day 5626 05:16:36,848 --> 05:16:37,421 Board impose a fine of $250 per day beginning 5627 05:16:37,421 --> 05:16:41,879 on September 1st, 2026, until the property is brought into compliance. 5628 05:16:41,879 --> 05:16:44,999 I have had no communication whatsoever with them. 5629 05:16:44,999 --> 05:16:46,181 That was my next question. 5630 05:16:46,181 --> 05:16:46,488 Yeah. 5631 05:16:46,488 --> 05:16:47,444 I move in case— 5632 05:16:47,444 --> 05:16:50,098 Is there anybody here in the chambers to speak to this case? 5633 05:16:50,098 --> 05:16:51,690 Seeing no one, thank you, Ms. Smith. 5634 05:16:51,690 --> 05:16:58,841 Okay, sorry. I move in case number CEC 26-00091 to fine the respondent 5635 05:16:58,841 --> 05:17:01,089 Respondent Balance St. 5636 05:17:01,089 --> 05:17:08,444 Pete, LLC, in violation of the City of Largo Code of Ordinances Sections 5637 05:17:08,444 --> 05:17:16,004 11-47 and 11-48, and the Comprehensive Development Code Sections 18.2.5.a, 5638 05:17:16,004 --> 05:17:18,864 subsection 3, and 18.2.5.c7, 5639 05:17:18,864 --> 05:17:26,424 for the property located at 12046 Indian Rocks Road, Largo, Florida 33774, 5640 05:17:26,424 --> 05:17:30,204 and to assess a fine of $250 per day— 5641 05:17:30,204 --> 05:17:35,406 Per item? There's some health safety things there, I think. 5642 05:17:35,406 --> 05:17:39,665 To assess a fine of $500 per day beginning on September 1st, 2026, 5643 05:17:39,665 --> 05:17:41,536 until compliance is achieved, 5644 05:17:41,536 --> 05:17:46,828 and to order the respondent to contact the Community Standards Division to arrange 5645 05:17:46,828 --> 05:17:51,990 for a re-inspection of the property to verify compliance with the board's order. 5646 05:17:51,990 --> 05:17:52,362 Second. 5647 05:17:52,362 --> 05:17:58,214 Okay, now, this is a first-time violator, so your maximum amount is $250. 5648 05:17:58,214 --> 05:17:58,893 Oh. 5649 05:17:58,893 --> 05:18:04,513 You can do a per violation $250, but your maximum for a first-time violation— 5650 05:18:04,513 --> 05:18:05,046 Oh, pardon me. 5651 05:18:05,046 --> 05:18:06,159 Is $250. 5652 05:18:06,159 --> 05:18:11,618 Okay. All right, I would like to amend my motion to find— here, 5653 05:18:11,618 --> 05:18:13,611 let me just start over. 5654 05:18:13,611 --> 05:18:19,763 I move in case number CEC 26, —00091 to find the respondent Balance St. 5655 05:18:19,763 --> 05:18:26,435 Pete, LLC in violation of the City of Largo Code of Ordinances Sections 11-47 5656 05:18:26,435 --> 05:18:26,695 Largo Code of Ordinances Sections 11-47 and 5657 05:18:26,695 --> 05:18:33,367 11-48 and the Comprehensive Development Code Sections 18.2.5.a, subsection 3, 5658 05:18:33,367 --> 05:18:40,472 and 18.2.5.c7 for the property located at 12046 Indian Rocks Road, Largo, Florida, 5659 05:18:40,472 --> 05:18:47,404 33774, and to assess a fine of $100 per day per violation beginning on September 5660 05:18:47,404 --> 05:18:50,870 1st, 2026, until compliance is achieved, 5661 05:18:50,870 --> 05:18:57,976 and to order the respondent to contact the Community Standards Division to arrange 5662 05:18:57,976 --> 05:19:04,821 for a reinspection of the property to verify compliance with the board's order. 5663 05:19:04,821 --> 05:19:05,438 Second. 5664 05:19:05,438 --> 05:19:08,959 Okay, I've got a motion by Miss Smith and a second by Mr. Bach. 5665 05:19:08,959 --> 05:19:10,133 All in favor say aye. 5666 05:19:10,133 --> 05:19:10,588 Aye. 5667 05:19:11,172 --> 05:19:14,159 Any opposed? Motion passes. 5668 05:19:14,159 --> 05:19:18,030 Moving on to agenda item number 36, 5669 05:19:18,030 --> 05:19:22,565 we have case number CER-26-00345. John E. 5670 05:19:22,565 --> 05:19:27,211 Mills at 599 16th Avenue Northwest, Largo, 5671 05:19:27,211 --> 05:19:32,078 Florida 33770. Code Officer Knotts, I don't— 5672 05:19:32,078 --> 05:19:35,175 are you Code Officer Knotts? 5673 05:19:35,175 --> 05:19:36,553 That's Mr. Mark Knotts. 5674 05:19:36,670 --> 05:19:42,450 Yeah. Okay. Sorry. Did you have a hat on earlier? I did. 5675 05:19:42,450 --> 05:19:45,970 I did. Screw me. Wait a second. Change. 5676 05:19:45,970 --> 05:19:49,770 This officer. It's his twin brother. Yeah. I was like, wait a second. 5677 05:19:49,770 --> 05:19:53,330 Sorry. I apologize, sir. Sorry. Uh, thank you very much. All right. 5678 05:19:53,330 --> 05:19:58,144 This is case number CER-2600345. Respondent, John E. Mills. 5679 05:19:58,144 --> 05:20:04,019 The property address is 599 16th Avenue Northwest, Largo, Florida 33770. 5680 05:20:04,019 --> 05:20:06,548 This is a homesteaded property. 5681 05:20:06,548 --> 05:20:12,831 The violations are CDC 18.2.5, exterior property areas, accessory structures. 5682 05:20:12,831 --> 05:20:18,216 CDC 18.2.5, exterior structure windows, skylight, and door frames. 5683 05:20:18,216 --> 05:20:24,907 CDC 18.2.8, electrical facilities service. COO 1147, duty of owners and occupants. 5684 05:20:24,907 --> 05:20:28,171 COO-1175, Interoperative Vehicles. Yeah. 5685 05:20:28,171 --> 05:20:33,311 The initial inspection of the property was on April 21st, 2026. 5686 05:20:33,311 --> 05:20:38,370 The Notice of Violation compliance date was on May 22nd, 2026. 5687 05:20:38,370 --> 05:20:41,797 The re-inspection date was May 26th, 2026. 5688 05:20:41,797 --> 05:20:45,305 The re-inspection result was non-compliant. 5689 05:20:45,305 --> 05:20:51,833 All notices were posted at the property and sent via regular and certified mail. 5690 05:20:51,833 --> 05:20:56,728 This is the notice of violation posting on April 22nd, 2026. 5691 05:20:56,728 --> 05:21:01,379 This is the notice of hearing posting on July 15th, 2026. 5692 05:21:01,379 --> 05:21:05,051 So just a little background on this property. 5693 05:21:05,051 --> 05:21:11,742 Um, the Largo SWAT team actually conducted a raid on this property and then called 5694 05:21:11,742 --> 05:21:16,882 us out to condemn it afterwards due to the condition it was in. 5695 05:21:16,882 --> 05:21:22,267 You can see the yellow generator was supplying power to the house. 5696 05:21:22,267 --> 05:21:28,876 It had no mainline electric service. The white truck back there was unregistered. 5697 05:21:28,876 --> 05:21:33,690 You can see tons of junk, trash, debris just in this photo. 5698 05:21:33,690 --> 05:21:36,872 There's going to be plenty more photos. 5699 05:21:36,872 --> 05:21:42,584 More junk, trash, debris in the rear, including the temporary carport. 5700 05:21:42,584 --> 05:21:47,072 Uh, unregistered dismantled motorcycle on the property, 5701 05:21:47,072 --> 05:21:53,762 as well as that accessory structure off the rear that's essentially falling apart. 5702 05:21:53,762 --> 05:21:59,392 Uh, this was the inside of the back shed being used as a living area. 5703 05:21:59,392 --> 05:22:03,309 I'm not sure if it's very visible in this photo, 5704 05:22:03,309 --> 05:22:09,428 but there was an additional unregistered motorcycle crammed into this shed. 5705 05:22:09,428 --> 05:22:14,732 This is the front entrance to the property with more junk, trash, 5706 05:22:14,732 --> 05:22:20,851 debris strewn about. Uh, both of those I know the left-hand window is fine. 5707 05:22:20,851 --> 05:22:27,053 The right-hand window is smashed in, broken. It is still broken to this day. 5708 05:22:27,053 --> 05:22:29,664 Another close-up of that window. 5709 05:22:29,664 --> 05:22:34,804 The doorframe is also damaged, uh, courtesy of Largo SWAT team. 5710 05:22:34,804 --> 05:22:36,364 I was gonna say, it looks like a little breach. 5711 05:22:36,364 --> 05:22:37,505 Not been repaired. 5712 05:22:37,505 --> 05:22:39,387 Yeah, did a good job. 5713 05:22:39,387 --> 05:22:47,500 Uh, both front windows are broken. 5714 05:22:50,500 --> 05:22:52,955 I think that's good. 5715 05:22:52,955 --> 05:22:57,552 The corrective action is to continue to have residents secured in a safe manner, 5716 05:22:57,552 --> 05:23:00,483 restore mainline electric service to the residents, 5717 05:23:00,483 --> 05:23:03,529 maintain all accessory structures in sound condition, 5718 05:23:03,529 --> 05:23:08,069 maintain all windows in sound condition, maintain all doors in sound condition. 5719 05:23:08,069 --> 05:23:11,861 All vehicles must be fully operable and have a valid registration, 5720 05:23:11,861 --> 05:23:14,965 and to remove all junk trash and debris from Property. 5721 05:23:14,965 --> 05:23:17,608 Staff recommends giving the respondent John E. 5722 05:23:17,608 --> 05:23:20,596 Mills until August 31st, 2026 to achieve compliance. 5723 05:23:20,596 --> 05:23:22,320 If compliance is not achieved, 5724 05:23:22,320 --> 05:23:26,515 staff recommends the Code Enforcement Board impose a fine of $250 per day 5725 05:23:26,515 --> 05:23:27,033 Board impose a fine of $250 per day beginning 5726 05:23:27,033 --> 05:23:30,998 on September 1st, 2026 until the property is brought into compliance, 5727 05:23:30,998 --> 05:23:35,423 with the fine not to exceed the just market value established by the Pinellas 5728 05:23:35,423 --> 05:23:35,768 market value established by the Pinellas County 5729 05:23:35,768 --> 05:23:37,549 Property Appraiser of $147,933. 5730 05:23:37,549 --> 05:23:40,676 Second. 5731 05:23:42,087 --> 05:23:45,547 Okay, is there anybody here today to speak to this case? I'm not seeing anyone. 5732 05:23:45,547 --> 05:23:48,044 I do have a question. Do we know why SWAT was called out? 5733 05:23:48,044 --> 05:23:50,612 Yeah, were there criminal charges? Anybody living? 5734 05:23:50,612 --> 05:23:52,330 Yeah, he's in jail, Mr. Mills. 5735 05:23:52,330 --> 05:23:54,369 Yeah, is anyone residing there right now? 5736 05:23:54,369 --> 05:23:56,794 Oh, he was still living there, the property owner. 5737 05:23:56,794 --> 05:23:58,190 He was the one they raided? 5738 05:23:58,190 --> 05:23:58,511 Yes. 5739 05:23:58,511 --> 05:24:02,092 Yes. And we don't know what— you know what, you want to tell us why they did— 5740 05:24:02,381 --> 05:24:02,862 they didn't tell us. 5741 05:24:02,862 --> 05:24:04,837 We know what his criminal charges were. 5742 05:24:04,837 --> 05:24:05,688 I'm curious. 5743 05:24:05,913 --> 05:24:06,298 I can— 5744 05:24:06,394 --> 05:24:07,645 we can I mean, it could be looked at. 5745 05:24:07,758 --> 05:24:11,991 I couldn't even photograph the SWAT team guys that were there. They had masks on. 5746 05:24:13,209 --> 05:24:14,517 So in one of your photos, 5747 05:24:14,517 --> 05:24:17,971 I saw that there was an officer on the premises in the background. 5748 05:24:18,019 --> 05:24:18,949 Next to a gentleman. 5749 05:24:19,062 --> 05:24:21,643 Yeah, yeah, probably wasn't supposed to have him in the photo, but yeah. 5750 05:24:21,723 --> 05:24:25,251 Well, okay, that's fine. But he wasn't identified. It's okay. 5751 05:24:25,251 --> 05:24:28,506 Should this be closed up so no one— 5752 05:24:28,698 --> 05:24:33,752 stop work? Yeah, you said it's not maintained and condemnation of some sort. 5753 05:24:33,752 --> 05:24:34,085 maintained and condemnation of some sort. Yeah. 5754 05:24:34,150 --> 05:24:41,588 Is the city interested A condemned notice 5755 05:24:41,588 --> 05:24:46,487 was posted on the property. 5756 05:24:46,487 --> 05:24:51,567 Uh, give me just one moment. 5757 05:24:51,567 --> 05:24:55,921 Give me just one moment. 5758 05:24:55,921 --> 05:24:56,260 Sure. 5759 05:24:56,260 --> 05:24:56,888 Okay. 5760 05:24:56,888 --> 05:24:59,338 I may have pulled an old one, but let me see. 5761 05:24:59,403 --> 05:25:03,710 It looked like it was good, though. Let me double-check. 5762 05:25:06,650 --> 05:25:08,900 No, we ended up taking it out. 5763 05:25:08,900 --> 05:25:19,110 Mm-hmm. 5764 05:25:19,110 --> 05:25:25,075 I think that's the 5765 05:25:25,075 --> 05:25:32,034 right one. Reset. Can 5766 05:25:32,034 --> 05:25:39,325 somebody buy us dinner 5767 05:25:39,325 --> 05:25:45,621 from Parlor Donuts, 5768 05:25:45,621 --> 05:25:47,941 please? 5769 05:25:47,941 --> 05:25:50,474 I'm planning to treat everyone to ice cream. 5770 05:25:50,474 --> 05:25:52,205 She's treating everybody to ice cream. 5771 05:25:52,510 --> 05:25:56,824 You can't do that. My kids would kill me. Well, I'm so cold. 5772 05:25:56,824 --> 05:25:58,550 I don't think I can eat. 5773 05:25:58,550 --> 05:26:02,000 I don't think we're welcome at a restaurant across the street right now. 5774 05:26:02,000 --> 05:26:03,590 You're right. 5775 05:26:03,590 --> 05:26:06,480 Oh, what if we all walked over there? That would be a hoot. 5776 05:26:06,480 --> 05:26:09,310 Yeah, I guess Rick could keep that. 5777 05:26:09,330 --> 05:26:10,490 He'd appreciate it. 5778 05:26:10,490 --> 05:26:12,170 Jeez. 5779 05:26:12,170 --> 05:26:12,990 Okay. 5780 05:26:12,990 --> 05:26:17,720 All right, Miss Carrera is struggling today with all of our banter. 5781 05:26:17,720 --> 05:26:19,930 Yeah, sunshine, sunshine, please. Sorry. 5782 05:26:20,939 --> 05:26:22,863 You can run, you can run through just the, 5783 05:26:22,863 --> 05:26:25,290 the new code sections if you want to and add those 2. 5784 05:26:25,290 --> 05:26:28,895 Okay, so we apologize, that was an outdated PowerPoint. 5785 05:26:28,895 --> 05:26:32,368 Uh, work had been done on that PowerPoint afterwards. 5786 05:26:32,368 --> 05:26:37,021 Okay, um, I'm gonna restart the presentation from this slide if that is 5787 05:26:37,021 --> 05:26:37,349 presentation from this slide if that is okay. 5788 05:26:37,349 --> 05:26:39,327 Sure, I don't think we need to restart. 5789 05:26:39,327 --> 05:26:43,232 We'll, we'll push through by just adding these other 2. Is that okay, uh, Ms. 5790 05:26:43,232 --> 05:26:47,137 Carrera? Is that okay if we just add and then show us some additional photos, 5791 05:26:47,137 --> 05:26:50,028 or would you like them to run through real quickly again? 5792 05:26:50,028 --> 05:26:52,513 So it's the same violations with 2 more added on, 5793 05:26:52,513 --> 05:26:56,570 which is going to be the unsafe structures and the closing of vacant structures. 5794 05:26:56,570 --> 05:27:01,654 So just identify what's different as you're going through the slides, what, 5795 05:27:01,654 --> 05:27:03,417 what was added or removed. 5796 05:27:03,417 --> 05:27:09,387 Yes, CDC 18.2.4, unsafe structures, and CDC 18.2 0.4, 5797 05:27:09,387 --> 05:27:12,654 closing of vacant structures, 5798 05:27:12,654 --> 05:27:17,160 are additional from the last PowerPoint. 5799 05:27:17,160 --> 05:27:18,284 Nice catch, Miss Hoskin. 5800 05:27:18,284 --> 05:27:25,193 I hope they're all correctly identified in the proposed motion. 5801 05:27:25,193 --> 05:27:27,976 So there's no additional— 5802 05:27:28,072 --> 05:27:28,879 there you go. Just reread that. 5803 05:27:29,283 --> 05:27:30,880 It's fine, Mary. Let him finish what he's doing. 5804 05:27:30,880 --> 05:27:33,435 Okay, so adding those 2 violations on, 5805 05:27:33,435 --> 05:27:38,747 the city did condemn the property because of the multiple broken windows on it, 5806 05:27:38,747 --> 05:27:42,849 lack of mainline electrical service and the broken doorframe, 5807 05:27:42,849 --> 05:27:45,203 considering it an unsafe structure. 5808 05:27:45,203 --> 05:27:48,498 So a condemned notice was posted on the property. 5809 05:27:48,498 --> 05:27:53,541 Um, the securing of— what was the violation? Securing of unsafe structures? 5810 05:27:53,541 --> 05:27:53,781 Yes. 5811 05:27:53,781 --> 05:27:58,839 Yeah, securing of vacant structures was added on because there continues to be an 5812 05:27:58,839 --> 05:28:02,460 unboarded broken window on the front of the residence, uh, 5813 05:28:02,460 --> 05:28:04,021 as of my last inspection. 5814 05:28:05,368 --> 05:28:07,891 So they'll board that up eventually? 5815 05:28:07,891 --> 05:28:09,436 They're supposed to board it up. 5816 05:28:09,436 --> 05:28:12,672 It's up to the owner, and that's kind of what we're here for today. 5817 05:28:12,672 --> 05:28:16,439 And if the city has to, then we step in if it continues to be a safety hazard, 5818 05:28:16,439 --> 05:28:17,695 as you can see that it is. 5819 05:28:17,695 --> 05:28:18,049 Yeah. 5820 05:28:18,049 --> 05:28:23,243 Okay, thank you very much. Is there anybody here to speak to this case today? 5821 05:28:23,243 --> 05:28:28,639 Not seeing anyone. Was that— did that conclude your presentation? Thank you, Mr. 5822 05:28:28,639 --> 05:28:30,730 Nuts. I'm looking for a motion. 5823 05:28:31,057 --> 05:28:35,078 Does this motion that's on the screen now include those 2 late additions? 5824 05:28:35,078 --> 05:28:38,680 I believe it does, yes. Unsafe structures and closing— They're not listening to you. 5825 05:28:38,680 --> 05:28:40,312 It does. She's— 5826 05:28:40,312 --> 05:28:47,146 Okay, then I'll move in case number CER-26-00345 to find the 5827 05:28:47,146 --> 05:28:53,297 respondent, John E. Mills, in violation of CDC 18.2.4, 5828 05:28:53,297 --> 05:28:56,715 unsafe structures. CDC 18.2.4. 5829 05:28:56,715 --> 05:29:01,841 18.2.4.F sub 2, closing of vacant structures. 5830 05:29:01,841 --> 05:29:09,359 CDC 18.2.5.B sub 6, exterior property areas, accessory structures. 5831 05:29:09,359 --> 05:29:15,510 CDC 18.2.5.C.11, exterior structure, window, skylight, 5832 05:29:15,510 --> 05:29:23,141 and door frames. CDC 18.2.8.D sub 2, Electrical facilities service, 5833 05:29:23,141 --> 05:29:29,406 COO 11-47, duty of owners and occupants, and COO 11-75, 5834 05:29:29,406 --> 05:29:31,798 inoperative vehicles, 5835 05:29:31,798 --> 05:29:38,747 for the property located at 599 16th Avenue Northwest, Largo, 5836 05:29:38,747 --> 05:29:46,037 Florida 33770, and to assess a fine of $250 per day beginning on 5837 05:29:46,037 --> 05:29:48,315 September 1st, 2026. 5838 05:29:48,315 --> 05:29:48,525 Second. 5839 05:29:49,267 --> 05:29:51,390 Until compliance is achieved, 5840 05:29:51,390 --> 05:29:55,928 with the fine not exceeding the just market value of $147,933, 5841 05:29:55,928 --> 05:30:01,929 and to order the respondent to contact the Community Standards Division to arrange 5842 05:30:01,929 --> 05:30:07,492 for a re-inspection of property to verify compliance with the board's order. 5843 05:30:07,492 --> 05:30:08,342 I'll second. 5844 05:30:08,342 --> 05:30:10,588 And next time I'll let you take the long read. 5845 05:30:10,588 --> 05:30:11,518 Thank you. 5846 05:30:11,727 --> 05:30:16,193 I've got a motion by Mr. Bock and a second by Miss All in favor say aye. 5847 05:30:16,193 --> 05:30:16,757 Aye. 5848 05:30:16,757 --> 05:30:19,854 Any opposed? Motion passes. 5849 05:30:19,854 --> 05:30:26,849 Moving on to agenda item number 37, case number CER-26-00557, 5850 05:30:26,849 --> 05:30:32,469 Brel King, LLC, 901 10th Street Northwest, Largo, 5851 05:30:32,469 --> 05:30:38,777 Florida 33770. Code Officer Knotts. Computer might die. 5852 05:30:38,777 --> 05:30:44,970 Did your computer die? I think— yeah. Oh, there we go. 5853 05:30:44,970 --> 05:30:45,950 Still got some juice. 5854 05:30:45,950 --> 05:30:47,630 Okay, got some juice. Go quick. 5855 05:30:47,630 --> 05:30:53,186 All right, this is case number CER-2600557. Respondents: Gray King LLC. 5856 05:30:53,186 --> 05:30:58,586 Property address is 9012 10th Street Northwest, Largo, Florida 33770. 5857 05:30:58,586 --> 05:31:01,716 Non— this is a non-homesteaded property. 5858 05:31:01,716 --> 05:31:07,977 Violations are 2023 Florida Building Code Section 105, building without permits, 5859 05:31:07,977 --> 05:31:11,499 as adopted by reference, and CDC CDC 18.1.1A. 5860 05:31:11,499 --> 05:31:15,568 CDC 18.2.5, exterior structure protective treatment. 5861 05:31:15,568 --> 05:31:19,168 CDC 18.2.5, exterior structure exterior walls. 5862 05:31:19,168 --> 05:31:22,768 CDC 18.2.5, exterior structure roofs drainage. 5863 05:31:22,768 --> 05:31:27,933 CDC 18.2.5, exterior structure windows, skylight, and door frames. 5864 05:31:27,933 --> 05:31:31,298 And COO 1147, duty of owners and occupants. 5865 05:31:31,298 --> 05:31:35,289 The initial inspection of the property was 6/16/26. 5866 05:31:35,289 --> 05:31:38,576 The notice of violation was dated 6/16/26. 5867 05:31:38,576 --> 05:31:42,645 The notice of violation compliance date was 6/29/26. 5868 05:31:42,645 --> 05:31:48,593 The reinspection date was 6/30/26. The reinspection result was noncompliant. 5869 05:31:48,593 --> 05:31:54,384 The notice of violation was sent via certified mail to the listed property 5870 05:31:54,384 --> 05:31:55,088 certified mail to the listed property owner and 5871 05:31:55,088 --> 05:31:57,827 Pinellas County Property Appraiser, 5872 05:31:57,827 --> 05:32:04,088 and the notice of hearing was posted on the property posted in the lobby of City 5873 05:32:04,088 --> 05:32:10,426 Hall and sent via certified mail to the listed property owner and Pinellas County 5874 05:32:10,426 --> 05:32:16,374 Property Appraiser. This is the notice of hearing posted on July 15th, 2026. 5875 05:32:16,374 --> 05:32:19,739 This is a 2025 street view of the property. 5876 05:32:20,142 --> 05:32:22,772 Let me go back one. 5877 05:32:23,063 --> 05:32:28,184 Oh, sorry, I forgot I put the red arrow there to show the front door was in 5878 05:32:28,184 --> 05:32:33,510 disrepair at the time of this photo. This is an exterior view of the property. 5879 05:32:33,510 --> 05:32:36,377 You can see downed tree branches piled up. 5880 05:32:36,377 --> 05:32:40,269 This is a decaying structure in the rear of the property. 5881 05:32:40,269 --> 05:32:43,342 Uh, believe it or not, that is a small house. 5882 05:32:43,342 --> 05:32:47,643 I believe this is a multi-house parcel. It's a very old parcel. 5883 05:32:47,643 --> 05:32:51,603 Uh, it's completely engulfed in vegetation and collapsing. 5884 05:32:51,603 --> 05:32:53,037 Oh, it's another, uh, 5885 05:32:53,037 --> 05:32:58,158 view of the decaying structure in the rear yard with debris surrounding it. 5886 05:32:59,670 --> 05:32:59,718 Wow. 5887 05:32:59,718 --> 05:33:03,767 Uh, more just junk, trash, debris alongside of the house. 5888 05:33:03,767 --> 05:33:08,100 This is the exterior of the main front house on the property. 5889 05:33:08,100 --> 05:33:12,931 You can see the siding is completely falling apart and in disrepair. 5890 05:33:12,931 --> 05:33:17,975 There's a downed gutter there. It's another view of the exterior of the 5891 05:33:17,975 --> 05:33:18,614 another view of the exterior of the property. 5892 05:33:18,614 --> 05:33:23,587 A section of unpainted fascia on the property. Unpainted soffit on the 5893 05:33:23,587 --> 05:33:24,226 property. Unpainted soffit on the property. 5894 05:33:24,226 --> 05:33:26,926 Another exterior view of the property. 5895 05:33:26,926 --> 05:33:32,324 You can see the walls are essentially rotten completely through right there, 5896 05:33:32,324 --> 05:33:37,226 and the front door has been replaced with a new one without a permit. 5897 05:33:37,226 --> 05:33:40,991 Multiple broken windows in the front of the property. 5898 05:33:40,991 --> 05:33:46,390 Close-up of the broken windows. Another photo of the unpermitted front door. 5899 05:33:46,390 --> 05:33:51,576 This is a certified mail receipt from the previous NOV sent by Mr. Chase. 5900 05:33:51,576 --> 05:33:54,204 This case never went to board before, 5901 05:33:54,204 --> 05:33:59,390 but the owner was noticed on the majority of these violations previously. 5902 05:33:59,390 --> 05:34:04,149 Somewhere it was lost in the fray, and it was never taken to board. 5903 05:34:04,149 --> 05:34:08,696 Just showing this to justify why the notice period was so short, 5904 05:34:08,696 --> 05:34:12,887 because the owner was already well aware of all these Okay. 5905 05:34:12,887 --> 05:34:18,428 The corrective action is to maintain all exterior surfaces in sound condition, 5906 05:34:18,428 --> 05:34:22,335 maintain the roof soffit and fascia in sound condition, 5907 05:34:22,335 --> 05:34:25,177 maintain all windows in sound condition, 5908 05:34:25,177 --> 05:34:30,789 obtain all necessary repair permits to cover the entire scope of work required, 5909 05:34:30,789 --> 05:34:35,690 and have final inspection passed by City of Largo building inspector. 5910 05:34:35,690 --> 05:34:40,876 Obtain after-the-fact permit for replacement of front door and remove all 5911 05:34:40,876 --> 05:34:41,231 replacement of front door and remove all junk, 5912 05:34:41,231 --> 05:34:43,789 trash, and debris from the property. 5913 05:34:43,789 --> 05:34:48,832 Staff recommends giving the respondent Gray King LLC until August 31st, 5914 05:34:48,832 --> 05:34:50,750 2026 to achieve compliance. 5915 05:34:50,750 --> 05:34:52,881 If compliance is not achieved, 5916 05:34:52,881 --> 05:34:58,067 staff recommends the Code Enforcement Board impose a fine of $250 per day 5917 05:34:58,067 --> 05:34:58,707 Board impose a fine of $250 per day beginning 5918 05:34:58,707 --> 05:35:03,608 on September 1st, 2026 until the property is brought into compliance, 5919 05:35:03,608 --> 05:35:09,078 with the fine not to exceed the just market value established by the Pinellas 5920 05:35:09,078 --> 05:35:09,504 market value established by the Pinellas County 5921 05:35:09,504 --> 05:35:12,701 Property Appraiser of $274,000— uh, $274,123. 5922 05:35:12,701 --> 05:35:12,927 Second. 5923 05:35:14,078 --> 05:35:15,378 And that concludes my presentation. 5924 05:35:15,378 --> 05:35:18,283 Okay. Have you had any contact from the property owner? 5925 05:35:18,283 --> 05:35:18,684 Zero. 5926 05:35:18,684 --> 05:35:21,686 Zero. And this is not a homestead property? 5927 05:35:21,686 --> 05:35:25,650 Uh, no, no, the company's based out of Orlando. 5928 05:35:25,891 --> 05:35:29,268 We actually had a case several years ago all the way to foreclosure, 5929 05:35:29,268 --> 05:35:33,192 and they paid the full amount to avoid the foreclosure sale. Oh, still haven't. 5930 05:35:33,192 --> 05:35:36,520 Okay. Is there anybody in the chambers today to speak to this case? 5931 05:35:36,520 --> 05:35:37,414 I'm seeing no one. 5932 05:35:37,414 --> 05:35:41,340 Question? Yeah, for staff. For my information, I own a house. 5933 05:35:41,340 --> 05:35:43,592 And I want to change my front door. 5934 05:35:43,592 --> 05:35:48,548 So I knocked the 2 pins out, put another door in that I bought at Home Depot. 5935 05:35:48,548 --> 05:35:50,607 I need to get a permit for that? 5936 05:35:50,607 --> 05:35:55,021 Yes, because to make sure it has the correct Florida product code that it meets 5937 05:35:55,021 --> 05:35:55,189 correct Florida product code that it meets the 5938 05:35:55,189 --> 05:35:56,418 Florida Building Code. 5939 05:35:56,418 --> 05:35:57,492 DBPR. 5940 05:35:57,492 --> 05:36:00,475 Storm and all that. 5941 05:36:00,475 --> 05:36:05,280 All doors and windows, right? I'm— oh, I'm sorry. No, please. I don't want to hold— 5942 05:36:05,280 --> 05:36:07,742 no more discussion needed. 5943 05:36:07,742 --> 05:36:15,412 I move in case number CER 2016- 2023-00557 to find the respondent, Gray King LLC, 5944 05:36:15,412 --> 05:36:22,040 in violation of the Comprehensive Development Code Sections 18.2.5.C1, 5945 05:36:22,040 --> 05:36:22,987 Development Code Sections 18.2.5.C1, 18.2.5.C4, 5946 05:36:22,987 --> 05:36:25,070 18.2.5.C5, 18.2.5.C11. 5947 05:36:25,070 --> 05:36:27,058 The adopted by— wait, 5948 05:36:27,058 --> 05:36:34,728 the 2023 Florida Building Code Section 105 Building without permits as adopted by 5949 05:36:34,728 --> 05:36:41,924 reference in CDC 18.1.1.a and COO 11-47 for the property located at 901 10th 5950 05:36:41,924 --> 05:36:45,617 Street Northwest, Largo, Florida 33770, 5951 05:36:45,617 --> 05:36:51,677 and to assess a fine of $250 per day beginning on September 1st, 5952 05:36:51,677 --> 05:36:54,896 2026 until compliance is achieved. 5953 05:36:54,896 --> 05:37:02,187 with the fine not to exceed the just market value established by the Pinellas 5954 05:37:02,187 --> 05:37:05,786 County Property Appraiser of $274,123, 5955 05:37:05,786 --> 05:37:13,550 and to order the respondent to contact the Community Standards Division to arrange 5956 05:37:13,550 --> 05:37:21,125 for a re-inspection of the property to verify compliance with the board's order. 5957 05:37:21,125 --> 05:37:22,013 Second. 5958 05:37:22,013 --> 05:37:26,269 Got a motion by Ms. Smith, a second by Mr. Bock. All in favor say aye. 5959 05:37:26,269 --> 05:37:26,882 Aye. 5960 05:37:26,882 --> 05:37:28,738 Any opposed? Motion passes. 5961 05:37:28,738 --> 05:37:33,482 Okay, if I'm not mistaken, is that all the items on the agenda today? 5962 05:37:33,482 --> 05:37:34,347 All good. 5963 05:37:34,347 --> 05:37:36,238 I think Mr. Bergeron has something to— 5964 05:37:36,238 --> 05:37:39,574 Yeah, I have a couple just items for other business real quick. 5965 05:37:39,574 --> 05:37:43,811 Um, so one thing we will be implementing starting next month is we'll be capping 5966 05:37:43,811 --> 05:37:43,970 starting next month is we'll be capping the 5967 05:37:43,970 --> 05:37:48,260 number of first orders. Um, so hopefully that sort of limits, you know, the time. 5968 05:37:48,260 --> 05:37:52,444 And then— What are you capping that number to? 20 total. So that'll be the max. 5969 05:37:52,444 --> 05:37:55,621 Um, and then the other thing, if the board is agreeable, um, 5970 05:37:55,621 --> 05:37:58,640 exploring implementing time limits for the presentations. 5971 05:37:58,640 --> 05:38:01,023 This would be both for staff and respondents. 5972 05:38:01,023 --> 05:38:05,313 Um, I just want to make sure the board is on board with this because I have to go 5973 05:38:05,313 --> 05:38:08,756 actually through some ordinance changes. It's a bit of a process. 5974 05:38:08,756 --> 05:38:10,609 I can't just make it happen, right? 5975 05:38:10,609 --> 05:38:14,793 So I just want to make sure the board is agreeable before I start that process. 5976 05:38:14,793 --> 05:38:17,216 Are you— you're proposing 5 minutes per side? 5977 05:38:17,216 --> 05:38:19,315 That would be my recommendation. 5978 05:38:19,315 --> 05:38:23,184 Does that include It would be for the initial presentation. 5979 05:38:23,184 --> 05:38:28,826 Just, just your side, then their side, then we, we have an unlimited Q&A period. 5980 05:38:28,826 --> 05:38:30,781 You can impose limits for that too. 5981 05:38:30,781 --> 05:38:31,214 Yes. 5982 05:38:31,214 --> 05:38:32,481 But, but I think— 5983 05:38:32,481 --> 05:38:34,324 What about just looking into second orders? 5984 05:38:34,324 --> 05:38:36,680 That's something else we will be exploring too. 5985 05:38:36,680 --> 05:38:38,657 Because that's already done and it's— 5986 05:38:38,657 --> 05:38:41,329 we're bringing it up and repeating the same stuff. 5987 05:38:41,329 --> 05:38:45,116 Yes. At my previous jurisdiction, we didn't have second hearings, 5988 05:38:45,116 --> 05:38:48,029 so it was just mainly all about our first hearing. 5989 05:38:48,125 --> 05:38:49,651 So Yeah, that's what I— 5990 05:38:49,651 --> 05:38:50,936 It's something we can look into. 5991 05:38:50,936 --> 05:38:54,198 Yeah, how were their second orders addressed? The previous— just curious. 5992 05:38:54,198 --> 05:38:54,697 It was— 5993 05:38:54,697 --> 05:38:58,591 Okay, never mind. Laura doesn't like it. Forget about it. 5994 05:38:58,591 --> 05:39:04,402 Jurisdictions, you know, they'll vary, and their procedure doesn't mean that, um, 5995 05:39:04,402 --> 05:39:06,913 that is compliant with due process. 5996 05:39:06,913 --> 05:39:11,648 Just because they haven't gotten challenged doesn't mean that it's 5997 05:39:11,648 --> 05:39:12,366 challenged doesn't mean that it's compliant. 5998 05:39:12,366 --> 05:39:14,948 So, but what we are— it's Exploring, 5999 05:39:14,948 --> 05:39:18,607 and I did confer with staff as to time limitations. 6000 05:39:18,607 --> 05:39:23,199 And I'm also conferring with Mary in regards to your procedures. 6001 05:39:23,199 --> 05:39:28,508 We can't seem to find your latest procedures that addresses attendance and 6002 05:39:28,508 --> 05:39:29,154 procedures that addresses attendance and so forth, 6003 05:39:29,154 --> 05:39:35,108 but I am conferring with Mary because any time limitations are going to come before 6004 05:39:35,108 --> 05:39:40,202 the board as a resolution as to an amendment of those procedures. Okay. 6005 05:39:40,817 --> 05:39:42,488 Right, we have to approve any changes. 6006 05:39:42,488 --> 05:39:45,249 Yeah, so even if I brought forward changes in the ordinance, 6007 05:39:45,249 --> 05:39:46,906 you then would have to approve them. 6008 05:39:46,906 --> 05:39:49,702 Yeah, to align with your procedures, essentially. 6009 05:39:49,702 --> 05:39:52,609 Yeah, is the actual commission, the city commission, 6010 05:39:52,609 --> 05:39:55,069 do they have to approve any changes we make? 6011 05:39:55,069 --> 05:39:57,158 If it's an ordinance change, yes. 6012 05:39:57,222 --> 05:40:01,448 If it's— if you're amending the code, yes, that would go before the commission. 6013 05:40:01,448 --> 05:40:02,203 Thank you. 6014 05:40:02,203 --> 05:40:05,818 But first we need to address it procedurally with your rules, correct? 6015 05:40:06,043 --> 05:40:11,275 Do you intend Do you expect to make those code changes rather than just policy 6016 05:40:11,275 --> 05:40:11,745 change? 6017 05:40:11,745 --> 05:40:13,625 Yes, that would be the goal. 6018 05:40:13,625 --> 05:40:16,293 Okay. Yeah, we're exploring that avenue, 6019 05:40:16,293 --> 05:40:21,630 that potentially putting in the code just for purposes of being available to all 6020 05:40:21,630 --> 05:40:25,832 property owners, you know, on the MUNA code and so forth. Yeah. 6021 05:40:25,832 --> 05:40:31,359 Would both the capping the first orders and the proposed time limit have to be 6022 05:40:31,359 --> 05:40:31,642 and the proposed time limit have to be code 6023 05:40:31,642 --> 05:40:32,209 changes? 6024 05:40:32,990 --> 05:40:34,858 No, the capping is just more of an internal— 6025 05:40:34,858 --> 05:40:37,489 that's more of a temporary thing to see how that works for us. 6026 05:40:37,489 --> 05:40:40,630 So just for a time limit. But the time limit would be a more formal order. 6027 05:40:40,630 --> 05:40:44,026 Yeah, and then we'd probably have to put a clock up front for them to know when 6028 05:40:44,026 --> 05:40:44,370 they're— 6029 05:40:44,370 --> 05:40:44,970 Right here. 6030 05:40:44,970 --> 05:40:48,710 Oh, pardon me. The advantage— we can't see your clock. 6031 05:40:48,710 --> 05:40:49,918 What about a timer clock? 6032 05:40:49,918 --> 05:40:53,010 It has a timer on it because that's what we use for commissions. 6033 05:40:53,010 --> 05:40:54,850 Yeah, it's got lights on it. 6034 05:40:54,850 --> 05:40:56,810 Oh, and lights. Oh, nice. So I could look at it. 6035 05:40:56,810 --> 05:41:00,751 And I think, aren't they The actual— well, maybe not here, 6036 05:41:00,751 --> 05:41:04,827 but I know I've watched a lot of Commission meetings online, 6037 05:41:04,827 --> 05:41:07,341 and there is a cap. They cut you off. 6038 05:41:07,341 --> 05:41:09,351 It just seems like second orders, 6039 05:41:09,351 --> 05:41:13,310 they come in to rehash everything that we did on the first order. 6040 05:41:13,310 --> 05:41:14,711 Or there's nothing new. 6041 05:41:15,035 --> 05:41:19,591 So I mean, why do the people get to come in and speak to it? I know. 6042 05:41:19,591 --> 05:41:24,952 It's due process. I've asked the questions and I've asked if I can cut them off. 6043 05:41:24,952 --> 05:41:27,230 I mean, for lack of a better term. 6044 05:41:27,230 --> 05:41:30,580 And, you know, I've been instructed to try to say, 6045 05:41:30,580 --> 05:41:34,466 are you contesting the fact that you are compliant or not? 6046 05:41:34,466 --> 05:41:39,425 But then when they start getting into, you know, it's kind of a fine line. 6047 05:41:39,425 --> 05:41:41,100 It's kind of a gray area. 6048 05:41:41,100 --> 05:41:47,107 Yes, they have that opportunity to contest the status of compliance versus 6049 05:41:47,107 --> 05:41:53,357 noncompliance. That's where the kind of the due process opportunity comes in. 6050 05:41:53,357 --> 05:41:57,009 for why we have second-order hearings, right? 6051 05:41:57,009 --> 05:42:02,935 Because they may be disputing the city's finding of noncompliance, right, 6052 05:42:02,935 --> 05:42:08,211 based on what was written on your order, the order they received. 6053 05:42:08,211 --> 05:42:11,728 I think I recall one homeowner saying that he had complied, like, by Friday, 6054 05:42:11,728 --> 05:42:13,949 but they didn't come and reinspect until Monday. 6055 05:42:13,949 --> 05:42:16,308 Yeah. So he was— and sometimes it's that. 6056 05:42:16,308 --> 05:42:19,415 It's the timeline as to the date of actual compliance. 6057 05:42:19,415 --> 05:42:23,788 So we need to allow for that opportunity for the property owner to be heard. 6058 05:42:23,788 --> 05:42:25,917 You don't see it, it's not as common, 6059 05:42:25,917 --> 05:42:28,737 that's why you may think that it's not necessary. 6060 05:42:28,737 --> 05:42:34,778 So would a standardized kind of terminology or verbiage be a 6061 05:42:34,778 --> 05:42:41,021 good thing for me or whoever the chair is to implement when it 6062 05:42:41,021 --> 05:42:46,861 is a second order? Am I within boundaries to say something 6063 05:42:46,861 --> 05:42:47,364 like— 6064 05:42:47,364 --> 05:42:48,250 Get off of the— 6065 05:42:48,250 --> 05:42:51,167 Hang on, let me, let me finish the thought. 6066 05:42:51,167 --> 05:42:53,326 Change it, then we should be cutting them off. 6067 05:42:53,326 --> 05:42:56,966 So should we try to create— 6068 05:42:56,966 --> 05:42:58,029 If they're going to talk about something— 6069 05:42:58,029 --> 05:42:58,834 Let me finish. 6070 05:42:58,834 --> 05:42:59,897 Right. 6071 05:42:59,897 --> 05:43:02,129 Well, let me finish my question. 6072 05:43:02,129 --> 05:43:07,151 What if we had something where it's like, we're here for a second order, 6073 05:43:07,151 --> 05:43:09,732 are you contesting the fact You know, 6074 05:43:09,732 --> 05:43:14,615 you can speak to the fact that if you feel like you are in compliance, 6075 05:43:14,615 --> 05:43:20,404 otherwise we don't want to hear what you have to say. Yeah, more eloquently stated. 6076 05:43:20,404 --> 05:43:22,357 In other words, if you have— 6077 05:43:22,536 --> 05:43:27,681 if you have— if you're here to dispute any of the facts as presented by the city, 6078 05:43:27,681 --> 05:43:28,888 please let us know. 6079 05:43:29,033 --> 05:43:32,874 If not, we're going to move forward with the process, right? Is that okay? 6080 05:43:32,874 --> 05:43:33,550 Look at the— 6081 05:43:33,550 --> 05:43:38,272 Yeah, I can, I can draft some language that may be acceptable. 6082 05:43:38,272 --> 05:43:40,191 Wait, and I can say it every single time? 6083 05:43:40,191 --> 05:43:43,140 So we can the chair can say it every single time that a second— 6084 05:43:43,140 --> 05:43:45,111 Ahead of time, we can kind of let them know. 6085 05:43:45,560 --> 05:43:51,219 And hopefully, you know, yeah, it could be announced early in the original. 6086 05:43:51,219 --> 05:43:54,154 Yeah. And if they go on something irrelevant, 6087 05:43:54,154 --> 05:43:58,132 then maybe we can interrupt and ask the question to redirect. 6088 05:43:58,132 --> 05:43:59,763 Open a meeting. Relevant. 6089 05:43:59,811 --> 05:44:00,933 Yeah, our procedural— 6090 05:44:00,933 --> 05:44:02,937 Yeah. Excuse me. 6091 05:44:03,418 --> 05:44:07,265 And I don't know if we have it in our code. I'd have to look. Our code is vast. 6092 05:44:07,590 --> 05:44:10,427 Um, the— 6093 05:44:10,427 --> 05:44:13,150 What we would do is we didn't have the second hearing, 6094 05:44:13,150 --> 05:44:15,318 and I know you dislike that with a passion, 6095 05:44:15,318 --> 05:44:18,292 but we did have it in the code that you could appeal those. 6096 05:44:18,292 --> 05:44:22,024 So say you did feel like you were in compliance and you wanted to do that, 6097 05:44:22,024 --> 05:44:25,855 you could come back in front of the, the special magistrate and appeal that, 6098 05:44:25,855 --> 05:44:29,738 that order that was basically, you have to come into compliance by this time, 6099 05:44:29,738 --> 05:44:31,553 and you didn't come into compliance. 6100 05:44:31,553 --> 05:44:33,973 We put it into record when we start our hearing. 6101 05:44:33,973 --> 05:44:37,906 And if they want to, after they get an order from Mary, after that's sent out, 6102 05:44:37,906 --> 05:44:42,040 then you can appeal that if you want to and come show proof that you actually were 6103 05:44:42,040 --> 05:44:44,057 compliant. Right. But I know that's not— 6104 05:44:44,057 --> 05:44:48,537 Yeah, I mean, I'm— submit a legal request is what I would tell you. Yeah. 6105 05:44:48,537 --> 05:44:50,071 So that we can, you know, 6106 05:44:50,071 --> 05:44:54,858 obviously do the proper research to be able to answer whether that alternative 6107 05:44:54,858 --> 05:44:58,111 procedure through an appeal meets due process. Right? 6108 05:44:58,111 --> 05:45:01,302 And I'm sure the answer to that is like, it depends. 6109 05:45:01,302 --> 05:45:05,782 The answer— the case law hasn't determined that, so you're taking a risk. 6110 05:45:05,782 --> 05:45:10,508 Yeah, right. And opening the door for liability, being the first ones getting 6111 05:45:10,508 --> 05:45:10,692 liability, being the first ones getting it. 6112 05:45:10,692 --> 05:45:15,663 So yeah, I don't want to obviously say a yes or no because there probably isn't a 6113 05:45:15,663 --> 05:45:19,345 yes or no answer. Yeah, but yeah, we can discuss that later. 6114 05:45:19,345 --> 05:45:22,669 Mr. Bergeron, was that everything? Oh, was everything— go ahead. 6115 05:45:22,669 --> 05:45:26,915 As someone who's been on the other side of this. 6116 05:45:26,915 --> 05:45:33,461 I, um, many times when you have something that's complicated, I think, um, 6117 05:45:33,461 --> 05:45:40,184 having a time limit can make one feel like the deck is stacked against them. 6118 05:45:40,184 --> 05:45:43,723 You've had— you being the City of Largo— 6119 05:45:43,723 --> 05:45:49,473 have had this unlimited amount of time to put this case together, 6120 05:45:49,473 --> 05:45:55,754 and then someone's coming before you And you have 5 minutes to explain. 6121 05:45:55,754 --> 05:45:58,054 And before the commission, 6122 05:45:58,054 --> 05:46:04,777 it's 3 minutes on major items unless you get signatures from 10 more people. 6123 05:46:04,777 --> 05:46:08,492 Now, I know it's not quite as complicated, 6124 05:46:08,492 --> 05:46:15,215 but I don't like the idea of putting pressure on people and making them feel 6125 05:46:15,215 --> 05:46:15,569 pressure on people and making them feel like 6126 05:46:15,569 --> 05:46:18,577 the odds are stacked against them. 6127 05:46:18,577 --> 05:46:18,801 Thank you. 6128 05:46:18,912 --> 05:46:20,668 stacked against them. 6129 05:46:20,668 --> 05:46:24,430 I mean, we're— there's what, 7 of us up here. 6130 05:46:24,430 --> 05:46:28,025 The timing kind of bothers me a little bit. 6131 05:46:28,882 --> 05:46:32,307 So I would just like to have more conversations about that. 6132 05:46:32,307 --> 05:46:36,486 I've got to agree because I've testified in Tallahassee over many years. 6133 05:46:36,486 --> 05:46:39,505 I've testified in front of the commission here. And— 6134 05:46:39,505 --> 05:46:42,915 Yeah, these are not all professional people coming up here. 6135 05:46:42,915 --> 05:46:46,407 To be cut off in the middle of an important 6136 05:46:46,407 --> 05:46:50,224 Presentation made me very mad at some people in 6137 05:46:50,224 --> 05:46:51,198 Tallahassee. 6138 05:46:51,198 --> 05:46:55,742 They're cutting them off is when they get talking about things that aren't even— 6139 05:46:55,742 --> 05:46:59,302 Yeah, the goal would be to keep the meandering to a minimum and stick to the 6140 05:46:59,302 --> 05:46:59,536 meandering to a minimum and stick to the facts 6141 05:46:59,536 --> 05:47:01,972 and what they're trying to do to achieve compliance. 6142 05:47:01,972 --> 05:47:03,690 We need to stick on a point. 6143 05:47:03,690 --> 05:47:08,132 There could be some alternative avenues to do that without placing time limitations. 6144 05:47:08,132 --> 05:47:09,454 I think that's the point. 6145 05:47:09,711 --> 05:47:10,514 Yes, yes. 6146 05:47:11,067 --> 05:47:14,870 Um, and yeah, I mean, we, we can, we can explore. 6147 05:47:14,870 --> 05:47:17,277 That used to say nothing but the facts, ma'am. 6148 05:47:17,277 --> 05:47:21,490 Yeah, page 914. 6149 05:47:21,490 --> 05:47:26,342 And the City Commission time limits are for legislative items, if I'm not 6150 05:47:26,342 --> 05:47:26,940 for legislative items, if I'm not mistaken. 6151 05:47:26,940 --> 05:47:30,795 I, I may be wrong. So here you have a quasi-judicial item. 6152 05:47:30,795 --> 05:47:35,181 They're— this is someone's property, their property rights, right? 6153 05:47:35,181 --> 05:47:40,232 There's a potential for for foreclosure if it's not homesteaded in the city. 6154 05:47:40,232 --> 05:47:43,156 So there's a lot more at stake individually. 6155 05:47:43,156 --> 05:47:47,609 But these are all things, right, and the city also has an interest, 6156 05:47:47,609 --> 05:47:52,727 and we have an interest in kind of narrowing down the relevant information as 6157 05:47:52,727 --> 05:47:53,059 narrowing down the relevant information as well, 6158 05:47:53,059 --> 05:47:58,442 instead of going off on things that are not at issue. And we saw that here today. 6159 05:47:58,442 --> 05:48:03,493 Some of the cases were presenting evidence for items that were not cited for 6160 05:48:03,493 --> 05:48:05,753 violation, that were not at issue. 6161 05:48:05,753 --> 05:48:06,971 Right. Right. 6162 05:48:06,971 --> 05:48:12,074 So, you know, so the board also has something to gain in kind of being able to 6163 05:48:12,074 --> 05:48:15,019 narrow things down. But, you know, there's a— 6164 05:48:15,019 --> 05:48:18,748 maybe time limitations is not the only thing to consider. 6165 05:48:18,748 --> 05:48:21,758 Maybe it's that and something, you know, else. 6166 05:48:21,758 --> 05:48:23,895 Subject matter has to remain relevant. 6167 05:48:23,895 --> 05:48:24,618 Yeah. 6168 05:48:24,618 --> 05:48:25,814 Certainly one of us could keep it— 6169 05:48:25,814 --> 05:48:28,194 What if we started at 1:00 instead of 1:30? 6170 05:48:28,194 --> 05:48:32,543 Starting at 1:00 instead of 1:30? Half an hour difference. 6171 05:48:32,543 --> 05:48:35,093 I mean, that gets me home at 6:30. 6172 05:48:35,093 --> 05:48:37,225 Doesn't make a big deal to me. 6173 05:48:37,225 --> 05:48:38,844 Yeah, I'm just trying to pick up— 6174 05:48:38,844 --> 05:48:41,424 No, I mean, yeah, that was mentioned before earlier too. 6175 05:48:41,424 --> 05:48:42,194 Yeah. 6176 05:48:42,194 --> 05:48:46,335 I just think we have to be very careful on limiting again, 6177 05:48:46,335 --> 05:48:48,906 because I've been on the other side. 6178 05:48:48,906 --> 05:48:50,834 And, you know, it's 7 to 1. 6179 05:48:50,834 --> 05:48:54,457 Well, yeah, in limiting the number of cases we hear, 6180 05:48:54,457 --> 05:49:00,030 instead of the amount of time people are given would also keep us more on track. 6181 05:49:00,030 --> 05:49:01,980 I think that's a reasonable— 6182 05:49:01,980 --> 05:49:07,484 I think that's a reasonable choice for now before we go to changing the code or 6183 05:49:07,484 --> 05:49:08,111 anything. 6184 05:49:08,111 --> 05:49:11,546 Yeah, it'll be 21sts and then whatever second. 6185 05:49:11,546 --> 05:49:14,619 And any seconds or reductions that come up, 21sts. 6186 05:49:14,619 --> 05:49:17,447 And that gives everybody a little extra grace. 6187 05:49:17,447 --> 05:49:20,299 And just be mindful, you guys have control over that as well. 6188 05:49:20,299 --> 05:49:21,935 So you can always change our dates. 6189 05:49:21,935 --> 05:49:24,973 We just try to keep it consistent so like everybody doesn't Like, 6190 05:49:24,973 --> 05:49:28,105 each individual feels like, hey, we're doing 30 days for everybody, 6191 05:49:28,105 --> 05:49:31,658 and then we leave it up to you guys. It's the same thing we do with the 250. 6192 05:49:31,658 --> 05:49:35,211 If you guys want to change that date and spread them out a little bit, yeah, 6193 05:49:35,211 --> 05:49:36,520 I'm not against that either. 6194 05:49:36,520 --> 05:49:39,802 Right. Um, I would— wanted to mention, um, how, um, 6195 05:49:39,802 --> 05:49:44,949 I wanted to commend you on how many more cases that you've been bringing forward 6196 05:49:44,949 --> 05:49:45,143 cases that you've been bringing forward and 6197 05:49:45,143 --> 05:49:49,261 how there, um, there's more clarity on the paperwork and things. 6198 05:49:49,261 --> 05:49:53,250 And so I think that's I commend you for that change in things. 6199 05:49:53,250 --> 05:49:57,562 I think that's very good because, as you say, compliance, you know, 6200 05:49:57,562 --> 05:50:01,358 compliance is our goal. And I think you've done a good job. 6201 05:50:01,358 --> 05:50:06,823 A lot of the cases we've been getting because of the flooding and the storms, 6202 05:50:06,823 --> 05:50:10,513 because Hatton should have done his job 2 years ago. 6203 05:50:10,513 --> 05:50:15,410 But I know you can't say nothing. I don't care. I'm not getting paid. 6204 05:50:15,410 --> 05:50:18,060 I move to adjourn. Thank you. 6205 05:50:19,586 --> 05:50:21,095 Before we get in trouble. 6206 05:50:21,095 --> 05:50:21,994 Yeah, yeah. 6207 05:50:21,994 --> 05:50:24,499 All right, meeting adjourned, 7:16. Thank you, folks. 6208 05:50:24,499 --> 05:50:26,699 Thank you all for your time. 6209 05:50:26,699 --> 05:50:29,107 Ice cream's on me if anybody wants some.