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Good evening. At this time,

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I would like to call to order the August 6
meeting of the Largo Planning Board.

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It is requested that everyone attending
this meeting please turn off or silence

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this meeting please turn off or silence
your

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phones. I'd like to start today's meeting
by introducing staff.

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We have Jared Austin, our planning
manager; Noah Diker, our board attorney;

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Commissioner Smith as our commission
liaison.

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We have Matthew Crawwell, Planner 1,

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who will be giving his first presentation
to us today, so we're glad to see you.

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and Kimberly Mejia. And we also have Chase
Bergeron,

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which is our community standards manager.

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Cheryl Reed, our director of community
development, are all in the room tonight.

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And then Jamie Jarvis is the recording
secretary.

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Tonight, the planning board, in its
capacity as the local planning agency,

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will be acting both in an advisory and
quasi-judicial capacity.

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The procedures of this board are as
follows.

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All individuals who will be speaking this
evening on a quasi-judicial item must

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stand to be sworn in.

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The first item will be to consider any
requests from the public to be considered

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requests from the public to be considered
as

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an intervening party.

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City staff will then have 10 minutes to
present its case to the board first.

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The board will address any questions to
staff.

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The applicant will then be given 10
minutes to present his or her case to the

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minutes to present his or her case to the
board.

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After the applicant's presentation and any
responding questions from the board,

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any intervening parties will then be given
10 minutes to make their presentations.

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After the intervening party presentations,
the public portion hearing, if any,

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will take place, in which anyone who
wishes to speak may come forward giving

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wishes to speak may come forward giving
his or

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her name and address to speak to the
board, limiting their comments to 3

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board, limiting their comments to 3
minutes.

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The board will determine the relevance of
any public input and its duration.

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After everyone has had an opportunity to
speak,

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the public hearing portion of the meeting
will be closed.

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City staff will then be allowed 3 minutes
to make a presentation.

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Any intervening parties will be allowed 3
minutes for a rebuttal and closing

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arguments, and then the applicant will be
allowed 3 minutes for rebuttal and closing

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arguments.

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Thank you.

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The board will then discuss the case and
vote.

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So I just want to make everyone aware in
the room, that is for agenda item 1.

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If you are here for this other agenda
item,

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you don't need to worry about anything I
just said. Okay? This next part's for you.

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Then the board— for advisory items, staff
will make its presentation first,

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followed, if there is, by the applicant.
The board will then hear public comment.

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Our first item on our agenda is approval
of the minutes of the July 2nd,

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2026 meeting. Are there any changes,
updates? If not, I'll entertain a motion.

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Mr. Chairman, I move to approve the July
2nd, 2026 Minutes.

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I have a motion by Ms. Donaherty. Is there
a second?

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I'll second.

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Second by Ms. Hall. All those in favor?

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Aye.

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Opposed? Motion carries 6-0.

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All right, the next item on our agenda is
quasi-judicial in nature.

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It is case CU-26-0003, Success on the
Spectrum Medical Office.

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If you are a member of the public and plan
to speak on this item,

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If you're planning to speak on the
short-term rental item next,

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you do not need to stand.

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But if you're planning to speak or want to
speak on this item,

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we would ask that you stand up now and
raise your right hand to be sworn in.

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Also, is the applicant here?

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Yes.

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Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth,
the whole truth,

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and nothing but the truth?

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I do. I do.

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Thank you. And then I'll go ahead and give
it to Noah for any intervening parties.

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Thank you, Chair Fosdini.

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The item the board is about to hear, which
is about using, uh,

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space as a medical office— it is not the
short-term vacation rental ordinance— uh,

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is quasi-judicial. That means the
applicant,

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since they have a legal interest in the
property, has the right to present

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property, has the right to present
evidence,

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testimony, or witnesses, as does the city.

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Uh, other people may also have a legal
interest in the property and have a right

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interest in the property and have a right
to

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also present evidence and testimony.

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If you are here to present testimony on
this case and would like to be added as a

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party, please stand. Seeing no one, we can
proceed.

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Thank you so much. Just whenever staff are
ready.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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Good evening, members of the Planning
Board.

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My name is Matthew Crowell, Planner 1 with
Planning and Development Services.

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Joined by me at the presentation desk is
Kimberly Mejia, Planner II.

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The case before you tonight is a request
for Class 2 conditional use approval to

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allow for the establishment of a medical
office on a parcel with the future land

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office on a parcel with the future land
use

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of Industrial Limited. The applicant, Omar
Resto, is present with us tonight.

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The subject parcel comprises 6.36 acres of
land located at 13922 58th Street North.

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This property is classified as Industrial
Limited on the future—

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on the City of Largo future land use map.

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And currently houses 4 office buildings
with a mix of office, medical,

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and institutional uses.

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The site is accessed from ICOT Boulevard
and 58th Street North and contains 277

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parking spaces. The proposed medical
office use will occupy Suite 900 within

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Building 9. Here is an overall location of
the parcel with the nearest arterial

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roadways being US Highway 19 and Olmerton
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Here is a closer locational overview with
the tenant space shown in black and the

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parcel outlined in red.

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Here are the adjacent land uses with the
parcel abutting industrial limited

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properties in all directions. And here is
a street view from Eichert Crossing.

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The applicant has requested this Class 2
conditional use approval to allow for the

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establishment of a medical office within
an existing tenant space on the subject

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property. Per CDC Table 6-1,

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medical office uses are conditionally
allowable on parcels classified as

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allowable on parcels classified as
industrial

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limited. Here are the proposed plans
showing establishment of the medical

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showing establishment of the medical
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within the existing tenant space.

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The grayed-out area is a separate tenant
space belonging to a religious institution

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that received previous conditional use
approval.

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Through review, based on the criteria
outlined in CDC Section 4.2.4,

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staff recommends approval of the proposed
scope of work outlined in CU-26-0003.

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Thank you.

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If this conditional use review is
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the tenant build-out permit under record
remodel-26-000151 can be approved,

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subject to meeting Florida Building Code
requirements.

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Any further expansions or changes in
operational scope would require the site

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operational scope would require the site
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undergo further conditional use review and
receive subsequent approval from the

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planning board. That concludes my
presentation,

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and staff is available for questions.

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Thank you so much. Does Does the board
have any questions for staff?

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I do. Is the build-out, it's all interior?

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Yes, ma'am.

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Okay.

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Any other questions?

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If not, if the applicant would like to
speak.

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If you don't, you don't have to, but if
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you— yep, you just come up here and then
give your first

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name and address. Yes, sir. Thank you so
much.

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Good evening, Mr. Chairman and the board.

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Um, Patrice and I are co-owners of Success
on the Spectrum Clearwater.

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The facility will operate in a manner
that's consistent and professional with

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healthcare services.

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We will not create adverse impacts on
neighborhood properties,

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and we will provide an important
healthcare resource to the children and

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healthcare resource to the children and
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the Largo Clearwater community.

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Thank you so much. Does the board have any
questions for the applicant?

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I do.

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I have a question.

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What type of medical practice, um, would
be housed at this location?

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Yes, ma'am. This is an outpatient ABA
therapy for children on the autism

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therapy for children on the autism
spectrum.

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So we have board-certified behavior
analysts that will be providing therapy to

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analysts that will be providing therapy to
kids

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that have autism.

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Well, thank you. I'm sure that's well
needed in the community.

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Yes, ma'am.

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And any other questions?

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Just one thing I wanted to mention, the
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their new site is going to be very close
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So definitely an area where we're going to
have a growing population that needs

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access to healthcare and children that
will need access.

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Good to hear.

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Thank you. Might want to reach out to the
county to see how you can work with them.

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Yes, of course. Collaborate.

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Thank you.

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Absolutely. Any other questions? If not,
I'll entertain a motion.

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Mr. Chairman, I move to approve CU-28—

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Oh, wait. I'm sorry.

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Is there anyone from the public that would
wish to speak on this item?

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Seeing none, I will go ahead and close the
public hearing portion of this item. Ms.

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Donaherty, go ahead. Sorry. No problem.

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Mr. Chairman, I move to approve CU-280003.

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I have a motion by Ms. Donaherty. Is there
a second? I'll second the motion.

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Second by Ms. Ropshaw. Can you poll the
board, Ms. Jarvis?

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Yes. Mr.

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Chair, I'm so sorry, I believe it is
CU-26-0003.

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Okay.

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You mind?

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Want me to do it again? Yes, ma'am.

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Okay, no problem.

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Mr. Chairman, I move to approve CU-26,
right?

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Yes.

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0003.

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That's what I have on mine.

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I'll second. Okay. And we have— so we have
a revised motion by Ms.

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Donaherty that is approved and seconded by
Ms. Robshaw. Ms.

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Jarvis, can you poll the board? Yes.

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Ms. Hall?

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Yes.

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Ms. Robshaw?

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Yes. Ms. McGee?

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Yes.

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Mr. Graham?

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Yes.

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Ms. Donaherty?

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Yes.

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And Chair Fastini?

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Yes. Motion carries 6-0. Thank you so much
for coming to Largo.

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We wish you all the best in your business.

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All right, I'm going to let Noah speak—
or, um, sorry, Jared speak first.

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Sorry, Noah, stole your thunder. No, I was
really hoping to speak.

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Um, yeah, while Chase gets up here, uh, to
speak, and Cheryl as well, um,

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do just want to provide a few clarifying
points, um,

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for the board on this item since I know
there were a number of materials, uh,

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circulated to you all in addition to the
ordinance.

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Um, so again, not to take too much away
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but I do just want to inform you that this
is one piece of a broader attempt by the

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city to establish some more clear
protocols as it pertains to short-term

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protocols as it pertains to short-term
vacation

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rentals. You may all recall from the
planning board retreat that we had

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planning board retreat that we had
recently,

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there are a number of codes that the city
is responsible for administering and

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enforcing. Um, the Comprehensive
Development Code is one of those, um,

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which we in Planning administer and which
you all as a Planning Board oversee

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changes to. Um, that being said,

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the Comprehensive Development Code does
relate to very specific things,

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particularly development within the City
of Largo.

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Um, so things such as noise, um, or
nuisance types ordinances, um, that—

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or nuisance type, uh, matters that would
be regulated by a nuisance ordinance,

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which, uh, is something that Chase is
going to be touching on, um,

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would be something that would be more
covered by our, uh,

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some of our other codes that we enforce in
the city,

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not particularly the Comprehensive
Development Code.

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Um, so what we're focused on today are the
changes and amendments to the

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Comprehensive Development Code, um, as it
pertains to short-term vacation rentals.

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That's why you'll see things in here such
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adherence to building code and things such
as, um, parking requirements, um,

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those types of things, not necessarily
noise or, uh, you know,

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trash-related problems that may come from
a short-term vacation rental.

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Um, with that though, I can, uh, I will
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one other thing is that we do have to be
mindful of, um, and legal was in,

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in drafting this, uh, language,

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is that something that I've brought up to
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that does prohibit us, um, as a planning
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our Senate Bill 180,

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which does prevent us from passing any
ordinance that is considered more

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ordinance that is considered more
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or burdensome on development,

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as well as some of the other state
preemptions surrounding short-term

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preemptions surrounding short-term
vacation

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rentals. So do just want to provide that
clarification before we dive into our

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presentation this evening on this item.

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And with that, I hope I haven't stolen too
much of Chase's presentation.

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I'll go ahead and turn it over to him.

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Chase, actually, I'm going to stop you for
another minute.

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I do need to make some disclosures.

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I just want to, for the sake of
transparency,

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Let the public know that before we start
discussion, I currently reside—

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I have a private home and I rent a room in
that home that I live in on Airbnb.

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I have spoke with our city attorney, Noah
Diker,

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because we are not legally allowed to
abstain unless there is a formal statutory

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conflict that exists.

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But in full transparency, I wanted to let
everyone know,

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and I am legally required to vote on this
item.

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Also, in the interest of transparency,

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I do want to let individuals know of an ex
parte communication in which an

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individual reached out to me to provide
the planning board information.

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I provided that individual the person to
get that information,

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and they were able to get it to the
planning board.

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And with that, now I will go ahead and
hand it over to Chase. All right, thank

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hand it over to Chase. All right, thank
you.

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Good evening, uh, Planning Board.

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I am Chase Bergeron, the Community
Standards Manager.

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Tonight I will be discussing Ordinance
Number 2026-33,

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which covers the Comprehensive Development
Code Section 15.18 pertaining to

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short-term rentals. Uh, before I begin my
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I'm here with Community Development
Director Cheryl Reed, who has a few

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Director Cheryl Reed, who has a few
comments.

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Good evening, Chair Faustini and Planning
Board members.

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Again, my name is Cheryl Reed.

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I'm the director of the Community
Development Department,

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and I just wanted to provide a little bit
of context and maybe some background about

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this particular proposed ordinance,

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and then I'll be handing it back over to
Chase so he can give his presentation.

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The city first adopted a short-term
vacation rental back in 2019, and at that

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vacation rental back in 2019, and at that
time,

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the city was not really having a large
issue with short-term vacation rentals.

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We didn't have very many in the city of
Largo, and the ones that we did have,

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if there were loud parties, our— the
city's police department was,

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was very well equipped to be able to
address those kinds of complaints.

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The City Commission at that time was
confident that the short-term vacation

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confident that the short-term vacation
rental

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hosts would be desirous of being in
compliance with the city's ordinance at

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compliance with the city's ordinance at
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time. And that's kind of how we began our
short-term vacation rental journey,

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as I'll call it. When we flash forward 7
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the city does have substantially more
number of short-term vacation rentals than

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number of short-term vacation rentals than
we

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did back in 2019. They have become the
most common complaint or the second most

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common complaint that this—

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that the Community Standards Division that
Chase Bergeron manages.

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So we are hearing from our residents that
they have become a concern in their

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neighborhoods.

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Right.

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And I want to assure both the planning
board as well as the members of the public

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that the Community Standards Division is
vigorously pursuing enforcement of any

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short-term vacation rentals that we are
advised of where that particular host or

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property manager is not following the
city's existing ordinance.

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Back in March of this year,

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we did have a number of residents from a
variety of neighborhoods across the city

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come to a city commission meeting and
under Citizens to Be Heard let the city

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commission know that there were short-term
vacation rentals in their neighborhood

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that were were not being good neighbors.

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The hosts were not behaving, and that they
were having, you know,

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an unfortunate impact on the
neighborhoods.

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So at city administration's request,

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the Community Development Department began
meeting again with city administration as

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well as with the city attorney's office to
explore what would be the next best

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steps. The city attorney at that time
recommended a 2-prong approach,

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the first being to reevaluate the existing
short-term vacation rental ordinance that

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the city already had on the books, and
that's why we are here this evening.

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They all— the city attorney also
recommended that the city probably needed

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recommended that the city probably needed
a

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stronger chronic nuisance ordinance that
would be a companion to this particular

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ordinance that is in front of you this
evening.

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So at this point, we are bringing both
proposed ordinances forward as city staff

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proposed ordinances forward as city staff
to

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the appropriate advisory boards and then
ultimately to the city Commission in the

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form of a first and a second reading of 2
formal ordinances.

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As Planning Manager Austin referred to
earlier,

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you're seeing one of those ordinances this
evening because it is the ordinance that

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is in the Comprehensive Development Code.

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The second ordinance that the City
Attorney had recommended will still be

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Attorney had recommended will still be
coming

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forward, and those 2 ordinances will
travel together to the City Commission for

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travel together to the City Commission for
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City Commission's consideration.

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We have had a work session with the City
Commission.

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The City Commission did give us direction
on what they wanted to see in both

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ordinances, and so staff has been busy
working on those items.

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Simultaneously, I do want to also let the
Planning Board as well as the audience

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know that city administration is working
with the police department to ensure that

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we have an— that the police department has
the ability to begin tracking any

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complaints related to short-term vacation
rentals,

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the community Standards Division also has
a process for doing that,

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and the police department will also be
looking at ways to track public nuisances

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which may not be short-term vacation
rental related.

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So with that, I hope that kind of gave you
a little bit of background for us to set

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the stage. And at this point, I will turn
it over to Mr. Bergeron.

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Thank you.

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So to start with a little background
information that both Ms. Reid and Mr.

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Austin have touched on,

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there are a few legislative pieces that we
have to consider when in making

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amendments to the Comprehensive
Development Code.

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The first would be the state statute
509.032, which was passed in 2011,

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which states that local governments cannot
prohibit the operation of vacation

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rentals unless they had an ordinance on
the books by June 1st, 2011. As Ms.

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Reed alluded to, our ordinance for
short-term rentals was not passed until

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short-term rentals was not passed until
2019.

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So we would be preempted by the state
statute to fully prohibit the operation of

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vacation rentals. Secondly, Senate Bill
180,

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which was passed in 2025 in response to
the 2024 hurricane season to help aid

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recovery, has language that states that
land development codes cannot be deemed

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land development codes cannot be deemed
more

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burdensome or restrictive. That is set to
expire October of next year.

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So the current The short-term rental
ordinance covers things such as meeting

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ordinance covers things such as meeting
the

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minimum life safety requirements through
the Florida Building Code,

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the Florida Fire Code, and the Florida
Life Safety Code.

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It also requires these rentals to comply
with State Statute 515,

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which is the Residential Swimming Pool
Safety Act.

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We require internal postings which has
relevant information regarding where the

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closest hospital is, other emergency
numbers, trash pickup days,

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and other relevant local ordinances that
all guests need to apply by.

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And then lastly, we do require the posting
of a designated responsible party.

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This is an individual who is required to
respond to any issues at the property

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within 2 hours of receiving a complaint.

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Back in May of this year,

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we had a commission work session and were
directed by the commission to update this

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ordinance. A few things the commission
wanted to see was creating a registration

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process for all vacation rentals operating
in the city.

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The community standards is currently
reactive;

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we are not proactive in seeking out
short-term rentals.

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So this would allow us to have a more
comprehensive coverage and ensure that

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everyone is meeting the requirements of
our ordinance.

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Additionally, they wanted to add enhanced
enforcement options for those.

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Handful of nuisance properties. As Ms.

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Reed alluded to, this will be handled by
creating a chronic nuisance ordinance,

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which is covered in Chapter 11 of the Code
of Ordinances.

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Because that's in the Code of Ordinances,

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that will be heard before the commission
slated for September 1st.

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Additionally, commission recommended
hiring additional staff and utilizing

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hiring additional staff and utilizing
software

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that will help us implement this program
and provide a continued high level of

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customer service, not just for the host,

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but there are aspects of the software that
will allow residents to submit complaints

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if they are next to some of those nuisance
properties,

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and then either Community Standards or the
police department would be able to react

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accordingly. And then finally,

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they also recommended implementing a
registration fee to help make the program

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overall cost-neutral.

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So there actually is a 3rd companion
ordinance updating the fee schedule that

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ordinance updating the fee schedule that
we

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will be bringing forward with both this
comprehensive development code update and

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the chronic nuisance update.

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So going off of the commission's
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these are the updates we're proposing to
Section 15.18,

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expanding the life safety minimums through
the Florida Administrative Code and

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specific codes within Chapter 18 of the
comprehensive development code,

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expanding some of the required language in
the internal posting that specifically

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covers language in the noise ordinance
requiring that registration and annual

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renewals of the registration,

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along with life safety inspections through
both the Community Standards Division and

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the fire department that would be
conducted both at that initial

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conducted both at that initial
registration and

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each annual renewal of the vacation
rental.

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So as we touched on before,

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there will be a couple supplemental
ordinances along with this short-term

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ordinances along with this short-term
rental

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update. the chronic nuisance ordinance,
which is in Chapter 11,

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and the update of the fee schedule,

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which will cover those registration and
renewal fees.

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Additionally, staff will evaluate if
updates or changes need to be made to this

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ordinance or the chronic nuisance
ordinance once Senate Bill 180 expires

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ordinance once Senate Bill 180 expires
next year.

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So staff recommends the approval of
Ordinance Number 2026-33,

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updating Section 15.18 regarding
short-term rentals to include those

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short-term rentals to include those
registration

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requirements and the additional life
safety measures.

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And the first reading before the City
Commission is slated for September 1st,

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Commission is slated for September 1st,
2026.

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And staff is available if you have any
questions.

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I'm sure the board does have questions for
staff.

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Um, just— I usually don't do this, um, and
I swear this— I'm just— one question,

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I'll give it over to the rest of the board
members.

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Will these ordinances be going to another
citizen advisory board,

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or are they going straight to the
commission?

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The chronic nuisance and the fee schedule
update will both be going straight to the

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commission.

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Okay, so the Code Enforcement Board will
not see—

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No, we do have a work session next week to
cover the chronic nuisance and updates to

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this ordinance.

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Okay, because I, I really struggle with
the Code Enforcement Board not being

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involved in They are the ones that are
going to have to make the decisions on

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whether someone is or isn't in violation.

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They're the ones who know the loopholes
that people are using.

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We can pass all the stuff we want up here,
I'll be honest,

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but we're not the ones enforcing it. I
just want to be clear on that. Go ahead.

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Just a follow-up to that, Chair Fostini.

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We have found that the Municipal Code
Enforcement Board has been very supportive

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Enforcement Board has been very supportive
of

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staff recommendations as we've brought
violators forward.

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So we do feel like we have their support.
They understand the issue very well.

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Staff makes very detailed presentations
when there are violations of short-term

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vacation rental hosts or property
managers.

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So we feel like they're very knowledgeable
at this point, if that's helpful to know.

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Yes. It's just— it's hard when we're
getting half of the picture,

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and I understand how we have to get half
of the picture because of the way our code

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and city charter works.

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But I just— there are real questions that
I have that I can't answer for the code

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enforcement on how they're going to
enforce things.

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So if there's an after-action complaint
and a code officer doesn't get there and

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doesn't see the party and then there's no
violation,

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What does the Code Enforcement Board have
to use to issue a violation?

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I think probably, um, Mr. Bergeron could
address that question for you.

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So in instances like an after-hours party,

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we would coordinate with police
department.

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We've actually had a similar case where we
used their event report and their body

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cam footage to document the violation.

455
00:32:05,759 --> 00:32:08,632
So as long as we have documentation of a
violation,

456
00:32:08,632 --> 00:32:11,111
we can bring that forward to the code
board.

457
00:32:11,111 --> 00:32:14,569
Okay, but that's only if we have the
police come out.

458
00:32:14,569 --> 00:32:19,331
And I'm not— and again, I understand you
guys are doing the best you can.

459
00:32:19,331 --> 00:32:23,898
So please do not— I just— we have to ask
some tough questions on this.

460
00:32:23,898 --> 00:32:27,030
Our police department is currently
understaffed.

461
00:32:27,030 --> 00:32:30,031
I believe we are understaffed by 18
positions.

462
00:32:30,031 --> 00:32:34,989
Does the police department have the
manpower to support extra enforcement in

463
00:32:34,989 --> 00:32:35,446
manpower to support extra enforcement in
the way

464
00:32:35,446 --> 00:32:40,731
you're saying to? So because what I think
is going to happen in most cases is our

465
00:32:40,731 --> 00:32:44,254
cops are going to be dealing with more
serious events.

466
00:32:44,254 --> 00:32:47,972
And a nuisance call is going to have the
lowest priority.

467
00:32:47,972 --> 00:32:49,473
It's going to be 30 to—

468
00:32:49,473 --> 00:32:53,975
30 minutes to an hour before a cop might
get out there in many cases.

469
00:32:53,975 --> 00:32:58,542
And then again, the violation is done.
It's gone. There's no evidence.

470
00:32:58,542 --> 00:33:03,239
So I'm trying— this is my real struggle
with us not looking at the other

471
00:33:03,239 --> 00:33:03,957
with us not looking at the other
enforcement

472
00:33:03,957 --> 00:33:04,348
piece.

473
00:33:04,348 --> 00:33:09,635
But that's just— excuse me— one aspect of,
you know, a potential violation.

474
00:33:09,635 --> 00:33:13,935
They still would have to go through the
registration process.

475
00:33:13,935 --> 00:33:18,376
There are still other violations they may
be noncompliant with.

476
00:33:18,376 --> 00:33:21,862
Okay.

477
00:33:22,316 --> 00:33:25,214
I'm good for now. Anyone? Yeah, I have a
question.

478
00:33:25,214 --> 00:33:27,475
Tell us a little bit about the process.

479
00:33:28,510 --> 00:33:30,949
Thank you so much. You mentioned after
hours.

480
00:33:31,111 --> 00:33:34,650
You know, if a citizen had a concern and
it's doing—

481
00:33:35,567 --> 00:33:38,779
traditional business hours, who would they
call?

482
00:33:39,860 --> 00:33:43,782
Would they call the police, or would they
call Community Standards?

483
00:33:43,895 --> 00:33:46,251
I mean, who would respond to that?

484
00:33:46,251 --> 00:33:50,412
So this is a process we would— excuse me—
still be in setting up.

485
00:33:50,412 --> 00:33:55,276
Some of the software we're looking at has
the capability of having a 24-hour

486
00:33:55,276 --> 00:34:00,141
hotline. They can actually first contact
that designated responsible party I

487
00:34:00,141 --> 00:34:02,574
mentioned earlier in the presentation.

488
00:34:02,574 --> 00:34:07,438
If that designated responsible party is
not capable of correcting the issue,

489
00:34:07,438 --> 00:34:11,343
then they can actually contact the city's
non-emergency line.

490
00:34:11,343 --> 00:34:14,121
And then the police would respond?

491
00:34:14,121 --> 00:34:14,349
Yes.

492
00:34:14,349 --> 00:34:17,241
But they're short-staffed.

493
00:34:17,241 --> 00:34:20,327
Yes.

494
00:34:20,327 --> 00:34:23,399
I have some concerns. Me too.

495
00:34:23,399 --> 00:34:29,878
I have a question. So we received some
emails and letters from

496
00:34:29,878 --> 00:34:36,357
the citizens with ideas that incorporate
some other methods of

497
00:34:36,357 --> 00:34:43,046
enforcement and things that they felt were
missing from both the

498
00:34:43,046 --> 00:34:47,435
current ordinance and the revised version.

499
00:34:47,435 --> 00:34:50,988
So were you able to look at those?

500
00:34:50,988 --> 00:34:56,004
Were you able to look at those with legal
staff?

501
00:34:56,004 --> 00:34:56,725
Yes.

502
00:34:56,725 --> 00:35:00,802
And is there any Is there any chance that
some of those

503
00:35:00,802 --> 00:35:04,878
ideas could be incorporated into the
revised ordinance?

504
00:35:04,878 --> 00:35:06,736
Yes. As we mentioned, you know,

505
00:35:06,736 --> 00:35:11,709
some of those are preempted by either the
state statute prohibiting the restriction

506
00:35:11,709 --> 00:35:14,166
of short-term rentals or Senate Bill 180.

507
00:35:14,166 --> 00:35:18,780
Some of the other issues they brought
forward are actually already addressed.

508
00:35:18,780 --> 00:35:21,956
They may not be specifically in this code,
but as Mr.

509
00:35:21,956 --> 00:35:26,810
Austin mentioned, they are still beholden
to any other ordinance within the city.

510
00:35:26,810 --> 00:35:31,244
You know, we see common violations—
building without permit, trash, noise,

511
00:35:31,244 --> 00:35:31,724
building without permit, trash, noise,
parking—

512
00:35:31,724 --> 00:35:35,799
those are all violations that get to be
handled in those city codes.

513
00:35:35,799 --> 00:35:40,772
They don't have to be specifically spelled
out in the short-term violation in order

514
00:35:40,772 --> 00:35:44,907
us— in order for us to cite a short-term
rental for those violations.

515
00:35:44,907 --> 00:35:49,214
I think it— in reading what people have
submitted,

516
00:35:49,214 --> 00:35:55,502
it seems that they are just completely
unable to reach the people who are

517
00:35:55,502 --> 00:35:56,192
unable to reach the people who are
supposed

518
00:35:56,192 --> 00:36:00,240
to be managing these Airbnbs. They're just
MIA.

519
00:36:00,240 --> 00:36:04,030
They may not even live in the state or
city.

520
00:36:04,030 --> 00:36:07,735
So if that person is not actively
involved,

521
00:36:07,735 --> 00:36:12,386
and even though having somebody officially
designated,

522
00:36:12,386 --> 00:36:15,229
I don't think that would violate—

523
00:36:15,229 --> 00:36:22,206
I don't think making stricter requirements
for the person who's designated as the

524
00:36:22,206 --> 00:36:29,098
property manager overseer of that Airbnb
to have backup people if they're out of

525
00:36:29,098 --> 00:36:33,663
town, or who's the 24-hour person if
you're managing—

526
00:36:33,663 --> 00:36:39,952
a lot of these are corporations, so if
they're managing multiple Airbnbs,

527
00:36:39,952 --> 00:36:46,843
they should have a 24-hour maintenance
property manager person that people could

528
00:36:46,843 --> 00:36:53,907
contact. I think it would be good to have
more language in the revision that would

529
00:36:53,907 --> 00:37:00,712
address those concerns. That wouldn't be
prohibitive in any way, I don't think.

530
00:37:00,712 --> 00:37:02,865
I mean, I'm not a lawyer,

531
00:37:02,865 --> 00:37:08,120
but I don't think it would be prohibitive
to Senate Bill 180.

532
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,618
Hi, good evening. Hi, Sarah Allen, the
city attorney.

533
00:37:11,618 --> 00:37:16,371
Just to— a lot of the concerns are
actually Going to be addressed in the

534
00:37:16,371 --> 00:37:16,833
actually Going to be addressed in the
chronic

535
00:37:16,833 --> 00:37:21,718
nuisance. So, for example, one, you
bringing up the designated individual,

536
00:37:21,718 --> 00:37:23,434
if they're not responsive.

537
00:37:23,434 --> 00:37:27,527
So once we've identified that we've got
this chronic nuisance,

538
00:37:27,527 --> 00:37:31,619
and whether it's from failing to fill out
the form accurately,

539
00:37:31,619 --> 00:37:35,052
but a collective of nuisance activities,
they go on,

540
00:37:35,052 --> 00:37:37,692
they have an option for a nuisance plan.

541
00:37:37,692 --> 00:37:42,775
And because the enforcement component of
this isn't before you, So, you know,

542
00:37:42,775 --> 00:37:45,811
if they're not going to be able to pay for
it,

543
00:37:45,811 --> 00:37:48,781
that's why there's some additional
questions.

544
00:37:48,781 --> 00:37:51,950
But they have the ability to put them on a
plan.

545
00:37:51,950 --> 00:37:55,118
And so one of those plans would be 24/7
contact.

546
00:37:55,118 --> 00:38:00,465
We can— there's been some jurisdictions
that have required them to have security,

547
00:38:00,465 --> 00:38:04,293
that have required them to check in, you
know, frequently,

548
00:38:04,293 --> 00:38:06,604
depending on the level of nuisance.

549
00:38:06,604 --> 00:38:10,432
Speaking to some of the emails that we
received, you know,

550
00:38:10,432 --> 00:38:13,997
one of the issues I saw earlier was about
the parking.

551
00:38:13,997 --> 00:38:17,627
is it identifies the permitted parking,
how many spots,

552
00:38:17,627 --> 00:38:20,003
and then there has to be a location.

553
00:38:20,003 --> 00:38:24,030
So they, they have to identify as part of
their registration,

554
00:38:24,030 --> 00:38:26,142
this is where the cars can park.

555
00:38:26,142 --> 00:38:28,915
So that makes the enforcement much easier,

556
00:38:28,915 --> 00:38:34,129
and that's enforcement that's easier for a
code enforcement officer rather than

557
00:38:34,129 --> 00:38:35,911
strictly relying on police,

558
00:38:35,911 --> 00:38:40,664
which those would be more of the egregious
late-night nuisance activity.

559
00:38:40,664 --> 00:38:45,879
But some of the day-to-day stuff that
falls within the standard purview of code

560
00:38:45,879 --> 00:38:47,661
would be addressed. So, um,

561
00:38:47,661 --> 00:38:52,546
there are methods in the chronic nuisance
ordinance that would allow us to

562
00:38:52,546 --> 00:38:54,394
progressively address these.

563
00:38:54,394 --> 00:38:58,288
Um, these— they— these property owners are
property owners.

564
00:38:58,288 --> 00:39:00,533
They do have some property rights.

565
00:39:00,533 --> 00:39:05,681
So we still need to ensure that we're
providing due process for everybody, um,

566
00:39:05,681 --> 00:39:10,896
and balancing that with the nuisance
activity that's impeding their neighboring

567
00:39:10,896 --> 00:39:13,272
property owners. So we do have that.

568
00:39:13,272 --> 00:39:18,553
We've got a process that allows us to
implement these maybe stricter enforcement

569
00:39:18,553 --> 00:39:18,751
implement these maybe stricter enforcement
and

570
00:39:18,751 --> 00:39:20,269
tracking methodologies.

571
00:39:20,269 --> 00:39:24,956
But we need to be able to track it,
provide justification, due process,

572
00:39:24,956 --> 00:39:28,982
give them notice. So that is worked into
the other component,

573
00:39:28,982 --> 00:39:33,999
which is why this is coming forward in 2
different parts. Got it. Thank you.

574
00:39:33,999 --> 00:39:37,200
Ms. Allen, before you go, I have a
question.

575
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:42,293
So, in Ellis County last year passed
short-term rental regulations for

576
00:39:42,293 --> 00:39:47,458
unincorporated. Our ordinance seems
watered down in comparison to that.

577
00:39:47,458 --> 00:39:52,551
I understand we have a difference with the
occupancy in our land code,

578
00:39:52,551 --> 00:39:57,571
so we can't really do anything about that
because of Senate Bill 180.

579
00:39:57,571 --> 00:40:03,173
But the certificate of use for making sure
the life safety standards are met,

580
00:40:03,173 --> 00:40:08,120
Having a detailed, drawn parking plan, not
just designating a space.

581
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,994
Those were all things that were included
in the county's ordinance.

582
00:40:12,994 --> 00:40:15,977
And they had no— correct me if I'm wrong—

583
00:40:15,977 --> 00:40:21,215
they were like Largo and had no
regulations on short-term rentals before

584
00:40:21,215 --> 00:40:21,579
regulations on short-term rentals before
2011?

585
00:40:21,579 --> 00:40:25,487
I am not sure about their preemption. I
did look at that code.

586
00:40:25,487 --> 00:40:27,694
So, I think we're on the same page.

587
00:40:27,694 --> 00:40:29,711
There's— it's just more verbose,

588
00:40:29,711 --> 00:40:35,006
but requiring them to have a parking plan
that identifies the number and location of

589
00:40:35,006 --> 00:40:40,049
parking. I'm not sure we need plans rather
than we have a parking spot here and,

590
00:40:40,049 --> 00:40:44,777
you know, this is the front of the house
and this is where they're parking.

591
00:40:44,777 --> 00:40:49,568
So we still have the same requirements. We
do not have a certificate of use.

592
00:40:49,568 --> 00:40:53,413
That would require implementation of a
program we don't have.

593
00:40:53,413 --> 00:40:57,069
So we're going with the registration. It's
more practical.

594
00:40:58,674 --> 00:40:59,059
challenging.

595
00:40:59,059 --> 00:41:03,782
There's been some questions about
challenging, whereas, you know,

596
00:41:03,782 --> 00:41:09,595
requiring a registration that's consistent
with something we have already on the

597
00:41:09,595 --> 00:41:14,899
books is a lot less likely to be
challenged. It gives us a lot more room.

598
00:41:14,899 --> 00:41:18,968
And so that was something we were
balancing, looking at,

599
00:41:18,968 --> 00:41:24,417
that we're not adding new regulations.
We're not making it more burdensome.

600
00:41:24,417 --> 00:41:27,978
We're just saying, okay, this is what we
require,

601
00:41:27,978 --> 00:41:32,482
and so we're clarifying this is how we
need to establish that.

602
00:41:32,482 --> 00:41:36,842
But the requirements are the same. It's
just maybe it's not—

603
00:41:38,724 --> 00:41:39,335
I get what you're saying.

604
00:41:39,592 --> 00:41:42,712
We're still requiring it. We're just not
using as many words.

605
00:41:42,712 --> 00:41:44,192
Just to clarify, Pinellas County,

606
00:41:44,192 --> 00:41:47,916
their short-term vacation rental ordinance
is actually in their code of ordinances,

607
00:41:47,916 --> 00:41:49,800
not their comprehensive development codes.

608
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,133
I've actually spoken to a few Pinellas
County staff.

609
00:41:52,133 --> 00:41:55,857
That's sort of— they feel like they're not
as beholden to Senate Bill 180 as we do.

610
00:41:56,466 --> 00:41:56,627
Okay.

611
00:41:57,284 --> 00:41:59,900
That makes a lot of sense, actually.

612
00:41:59,900 --> 00:42:05,641
The one thing I did have, last question
for you, is I know when we did our CRD,

613
00:42:05,641 --> 00:42:09,057
I think for the Clearwater Largo Road
District,

614
00:42:09,057 --> 00:42:14,870
we put specific language in there that
wouldn't go into effect until Senate Bill

615
00:42:14,870 --> 00:42:15,088
wouldn't go into effect until Senate Bill
180

616
00:42:15,088 --> 00:42:17,995
expires. Why are we not doing this here?

617
00:42:17,995 --> 00:42:20,080
So that's not exactly the case.

618
00:42:20,080 --> 00:42:25,595
So we carved out— we specifically wrote
that ordinance with the understanding that

619
00:42:25,595 --> 00:42:31,043
we were not putting anything in there that
was more restrictive or burdensome per

620
00:42:31,043 --> 00:42:36,491
Senate Bill 180. That caveat language at
the top was basically indicating that if

621
00:42:36,491 --> 00:42:38,508
for whatever reason, you know,

622
00:42:38,508 --> 00:42:43,216
because we added so much new language per
those sections by, you know,

623
00:42:43,216 --> 00:42:45,705
adding all that related to both CRDs,

624
00:42:45,705 --> 00:42:50,817
that if for whatever reason there was
something we added that did happen to,

625
00:42:50,817 --> 00:42:56,332
you know, essentially we missed something
and it did happen to be more restrictive

626
00:42:56,332 --> 00:43:01,981
or burdensome than say what a development
could have done under a commercial general

627
00:43:01,981 --> 00:43:04,672
category that was now brought into that,

628
00:43:04,672 --> 00:43:10,254
that whatever was less restrictive would
essentially govern until the expiration of

629
00:43:10,254 --> 00:43:11,330
Senate Bill 180.

630
00:43:11,330 --> 00:43:12,153
Okay.

631
00:43:12,153 --> 00:43:15,974
I actually wrote parking down and circled
it in big letters before you came to the

632
00:43:15,974 --> 00:43:18,769
podium there. Um, when someone brings a
business into Largo,

633
00:43:18,769 --> 00:43:22,683
they're required to have a certain number
of parking spaces to suit the building and

634
00:43:22,683 --> 00:43:26,364
the type of business. Why can't we do that
for the, uh, these vacation rentals?

635
00:43:26,412 --> 00:43:28,280
If they have X number of rooms,

636
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:33,162
They need to have a requirement to have a
certain amount of parking available for

637
00:43:33,162 --> 00:43:37,140
those rooms. Well, they're limited by
parking already in the code.

638
00:43:37,140 --> 00:43:41,841
They're already limited. So when they have
that many cars, that's a violation.

639
00:43:41,841 --> 00:43:46,422
The— but you have to balance that with
where all the single-family homes are

640
00:43:46,422 --> 00:43:46,844
where all the single-family homes are
subject

641
00:43:46,844 --> 00:43:48,832
to the same parking requirements.

642
00:43:48,832 --> 00:43:51,906
You have a lot of people over for a
holiday dinner,

643
00:43:51,906 --> 00:43:55,342
we're not necessarily going to give you a
code violation.

644
00:43:55,342 --> 00:43:59,078
But, you know, we do have— we now have
this language in there,

645
00:43:59,078 --> 00:44:02,273
and so we've identified that this is sort
of chronic,

646
00:44:02,273 --> 00:44:05,347
and they can go out and they have the
parking plan.

647
00:44:05,347 --> 00:44:08,601
So we do have parking limitations on these
properties.

648
00:44:08,601 --> 00:44:12,398
It's how do you necessarily know that
it's, you know, for them?

649
00:44:12,398 --> 00:44:14,146
So there are some challenges.

650
00:44:14,146 --> 00:44:18,606
This just makes it a little easier for us
to enforce rather than You know,

651
00:44:18,606 --> 00:44:20,354
if they were to go now, it's,

652
00:44:20,354 --> 00:44:25,055
I'm going to knock on everyone's door and
identify whose car and where they're

653
00:44:25,055 --> 00:44:27,767
coming from, which house they're coming
from.

654
00:44:27,767 --> 00:44:27,992
Mm-hmm.

655
00:44:27,992 --> 00:44:33,067
So it makes it a little bit easier. And
then their burden goes back on them.

656
00:44:33,067 --> 00:44:37,407
We cite for the code. They have to
establish that it wasn't them.

657
00:44:37,407 --> 00:44:41,147
So some of this is just to address some of
those things.

658
00:44:41,147 --> 00:44:43,551
And to the Senate Bill 180 language,

659
00:44:43,551 --> 00:44:48,692
the preemption that we're governed by
actually provides for a cause of action

660
00:44:48,692 --> 00:44:48,893
actually provides for a cause of action
for

661
00:44:48,893 --> 00:44:51,831
any resident. if we were in violation of
it.

662
00:44:51,831 --> 00:44:57,240
So you don't want to pass a code that you
know is in violation of Senate Bill 180

663
00:44:57,240 --> 00:45:01,246
because you open yourself up to being
challenged by anybody.

664
00:45:01,246 --> 00:45:05,787
They don't necessarily have to be
subjected to it. Is the occupants—

665
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,775
I read something from one of our citizens
about the occupancy.

666
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:13,133
Can you speak a little bit to that?

667
00:45:13,133 --> 00:45:16,252
Because that would be kind of hard to
enforce,

668
00:45:16,252 --> 00:45:21,676
like if they have so many bedrooms So you
notice some activity coming and going.

669
00:45:21,676 --> 00:45:24,117
How do you address that? Absolutely.

670
00:45:24,117 --> 00:45:28,998
So the occupancy is— it is challenging to
enforce from that perspective.

671
00:45:28,998 --> 00:45:33,406
Obviously, because of Senate Bill 180, we
can't reduce occupancy.

672
00:45:33,406 --> 00:45:37,202
That's clearly a more burdensome
development regulation.

673
00:45:37,202 --> 00:45:42,559
The reason that it is beneficial in this
context for short-term rentals is when

674
00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:42,830
context for short-term rentals is when
they

675
00:45:42,830 --> 00:45:48,322
register and they identify this is what
the occupancy is permitted for that home,

676
00:45:48,322 --> 00:45:52,932
it's much easier for code enforcement,
'cause then when you do that,

677
00:45:52,932 --> 00:45:56,119
you also add language that says if you
violate,

678
00:45:56,119 --> 00:46:00,187
if you advertise for a higher occupancy,
that's a violation.

679
00:46:00,187 --> 00:46:00,657
Mm-hmm.

680
00:46:00,657 --> 00:46:05,750
And so it, what it does is it creates the
easier evidence for us to say, okay,

681
00:46:05,750 --> 00:46:09,014
your occupancy is 10, but you're
advertising this,

682
00:46:09,014 --> 00:46:13,062
which we can just print out as for 22
people, sleeps up to 22.

683
00:46:13,062 --> 00:46:18,220
And so then that's just a violation. So
then you can add that to the violation.

684
00:46:18,220 --> 00:46:20,113
It doesn't solve the problem.

685
00:46:20,113 --> 00:46:24,227
It isn't a magic pill that now they're
shut down automatically.

686
00:46:24,227 --> 00:46:29,058
It just gives us another avenue of
recourse to address some of the issues.

687
00:46:29,058 --> 00:46:31,278
Without that advertising language,

688
00:46:31,278 --> 00:46:36,371
then you are in a challenge of how do you
know if they're occupying it or not?

689
00:46:36,371 --> 00:46:39,635
So you add it with the language about
advertising.

690
00:46:39,635 --> 00:46:42,525
Does anyone have any other questions for
Ms. Allen?

691
00:46:44,624 --> 00:46:46,520
I think my question may be for Chase or
Sherri.

692
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,494
Yeah, I have more questions. I didn't want
to make you stand up.

693
00:46:49,494 --> 00:46:51,390
Okay, I'll get up if I need to. Thank you.

694
00:46:51,390 --> 00:46:53,465
Uh, Miss Hall.

695
00:46:53,465 --> 00:47:00,503
Um, so, uh, one of the comments was
regarding a physical on-site inspection

696
00:47:00,503 --> 00:47:06,040
requirement, um, and we have a volunteer
police department.

697
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:11,014
We have cars that say volunteer, and
they're part of—

698
00:47:11,014 --> 00:47:16,927
there's some kind of volunteer for the
Largo Police Department.

699
00:47:16,927 --> 00:47:23,777
I don't know what their limitations are. I
don't know what their role is.

700
00:47:23,777 --> 00:47:30,065
But would we be able to utilize them to do
some of the enforcement?

701
00:47:30,065 --> 00:47:31,803
So we are actually adding staff,

702
00:47:31,803 --> 00:47:36,038
we'll have an additional code officer who
will just be doing short-term rental

703
00:47:36,038 --> 00:47:38,373
inspections, that'll be their primary
duty.

704
00:47:38,373 --> 00:47:42,120
I believe we are also adding a fire
inspector because there is both a

705
00:47:42,120 --> 00:47:42,608
inspector because there is both a
community

706
00:47:42,608 --> 00:47:44,943
standards inspection and a fire
inspection.

707
00:47:44,943 --> 00:47:47,821
So those 2 new inspectors will primarily
be handling,

708
00:47:47,821 --> 00:47:50,427
handling just the short-term rental
inspections.

709
00:47:50,427 --> 00:47:52,491
And those are requirements to operate.

710
00:47:52,491 --> 00:47:56,074
So if you don't have those inspections,
okay, you're in violation.

711
00:47:56,074 --> 00:47:59,875
We can't stop you from operating, but you
would be found in violation.

712
00:47:59,875 --> 00:48:03,079
We would bring those violations in front
of the code board,

713
00:48:03,079 --> 00:48:05,251
and the code board would then, you know,

714
00:48:05,251 --> 00:48:08,129
make their decision based on the evidence
we provide.

715
00:48:09,350 --> 00:48:14,406
And have you thought about having somebody
on code

716
00:48:14,406 --> 00:48:19,462
enforcement staff, one of the officers on
call for

717
00:48:19,462 --> 00:48:21,383
after-hours issues?

718
00:48:21,383 --> 00:48:22,813
We've had discussions on it, yes.

719
00:48:22,813 --> 00:48:23,343
Okay.

720
00:48:23,343 --> 00:48:28,050
Okay. So I'm going to ask one more. Go
ahead, Ms.— Chase, one—

721
00:48:28,564 --> 00:48:33,024
some of the comments that we've seen from
the citizens refer to not being able to

722
00:48:33,024 --> 00:48:35,722
track and be aware of the status of a code
issue.

723
00:48:35,722 --> 00:48:39,465
Is there such a vehicle that people can
actually see what's gone on,

724
00:48:39,465 --> 00:48:41,888
what's going on, and what's transpired?
Yes.

725
00:48:41,936 --> 00:48:45,980
So currently, we are handling all
short-term rentals as code cases.

726
00:48:45,980 --> 00:48:50,809
So with our current software called LCAP,
you can go in if you know the address,

727
00:48:50,809 --> 00:48:55,396
or if you have a case number, you can
literally type that in the search bar,

728
00:48:55,396 --> 00:48:57,992
and it'll bring up and show you the
status.

729
00:48:57,992 --> 00:49:01,734
And, you know, what the current situation
is on that property.

730
00:49:01,734 --> 00:49:04,088
So there are ways online you can check.

731
00:49:04,088 --> 00:49:04,348
Anyone can check?

732
00:49:04,462 --> 00:49:05,210
I could just do that as a random—

733
00:49:05,210 --> 00:49:05,258
okay.

734
00:49:06,882 --> 00:49:08,485
Okay, but you need the case number?

735
00:49:08,485 --> 00:49:09,720
Or the address.

736
00:49:09,720 --> 00:49:11,002
Or the address. Okay.

737
00:49:11,002 --> 00:49:13,719
Because if you search by address, it would
show you everything related,

738
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,856
whether it was a code case, a permit, but
then you'd be able to click and see, oh,

739
00:49:16,856 --> 00:49:19,611
there's a short-term rental violation. Let
me see what's going on there.

740
00:49:19,611 --> 00:49:24,606
Okay. Have we looked at our surrounding
communities, Indian Ranch, Madera?

741
00:49:24,606 --> 00:49:27,239
You know, how are they addressing this?

742
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:32,505
Because I assume that all of short-term
vacation rentals have increased.

743
00:49:35,505 --> 00:49:36,865
They have, and, you know,

744
00:49:36,865 --> 00:49:40,239
some communities have been more aggressive
in their ordinance,

745
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:41,981
and as Attorney Allen mentioned,

746
00:49:41,981 --> 00:49:46,008
they are actually facing some legal
challenges based on the languages they

747
00:49:46,008 --> 00:49:46,389
challenges based on the languages they
have in

748
00:49:46,389 --> 00:49:50,089
their ordinance. So we have to be careful,
not just Senate Bill 180,

749
00:49:50,089 --> 00:49:54,660
but the state has made it very clear that
they don't like codes written specifically

750
00:49:54,660 --> 00:49:58,796
targeting short-term rentals. They've
tried passing legislation to ban them.

751
00:49:58,796 --> 00:50:00,537
And I think that's a good point.

752
00:50:00,537 --> 00:50:03,585
of legislation in the past, haven't been
successful yet,

753
00:50:03,585 --> 00:50:06,578
but they have tried to advance legislation
saying, hey,

754
00:50:06,578 --> 00:50:09,353
you can't write codes targeting short-term
rentals.

755
00:50:09,353 --> 00:50:11,802
It's got to be for your community as a
whole.

756
00:50:11,802 --> 00:50:15,829
So that's why when it comes to trash,
parking, noise, any of those things,

757
00:50:15,829 --> 00:50:19,801
we utilize what's already in our code of
ordinances for these properties.

758
00:50:19,801 --> 00:50:20,835
That's interesting.

759
00:50:20,835 --> 00:50:22,655
Okay. And so I'm going to go ahead.

760
00:50:22,655 --> 00:50:24,840
I just— I know we all have more questions,

761
00:50:24,840 --> 00:50:28,428
but I think it's time to open it up to the
public and hear from them.

762
00:50:28,428 --> 00:50:29,885
I did want you guys, though,

763
00:50:29,885 --> 00:50:34,201
to hear a little bit of our conversation
and where we were at so you weren't coming

764
00:50:34,201 --> 00:50:36,126
in blind when you were addressing us.

765
00:50:36,126 --> 00:50:39,714
So that's— normally we would have gone
straight to citizens' comment,

766
00:50:39,714 --> 00:50:43,979
but I wanted you to hear those answers and
questions. So whenever we're ready, Ms.

767
00:50:43,979 --> 00:50:44,655
Jarvis. Okay.

768
00:50:44,832 --> 00:50:48,683
We have 11 cards. First, Stephen Ives.

769
00:50:48,683 --> 00:50:55,346
Can you come up to the microphone, please?

770
00:50:56,865 --> 00:50:58,888
Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Ives.

771
00:50:58,888 --> 00:51:02,605
Thank you so much. Just right up at the
podium here.

772
00:51:02,605 --> 00:51:08,324
Well, I, I'm currently waiting for about 3
returns from the police department to

773
00:51:08,324 --> 00:51:14,187
return my calls over the last couple of
months about calling on violations over 10

774
00:51:14,187 --> 00:51:20,049
o'clock. And when I call them initially,
One police department couldn't handle it.

775
00:51:20,049 --> 00:51:24,409
They said, on these days we don't handle
it, but you call me.

776
00:51:24,409 --> 00:51:29,699
And he gave me another number and I called
them and they said, okay, well,

777
00:51:29,699 --> 00:51:34,132
if somebody, you know, if we can handle
it, we will, we do it.

778
00:51:34,132 --> 00:51:38,278
And so I know that I'm not getting too
much support there.

779
00:51:38,278 --> 00:51:43,068
Now, the other thing is, what I'm hearing
is this is a loser, okay?

780
00:51:43,068 --> 00:51:47,858
Financially a loser. Why do you want to
keep it? Just shut it down.

781
00:51:47,858 --> 00:51:51,789
What do you want to do this for? It
doesn't make sense.

782
00:51:51,789 --> 00:51:54,077
Everybody has the same problems.

783
00:51:54,077 --> 00:51:59,939
These people go in there, they're loud,
they're rude, and they have a ton of cars,

784
00:51:59,939 --> 00:52:04,586
and it's not their neighborhood, and
they're not just short-term.

785
00:52:04,586 --> 00:52:09,590
They're only there for usually a week, if
that. It doesn't make sense.

786
00:52:09,590 --> 00:52:12,950
It just poisons the neighborhood. It just
does.

787
00:52:12,950 --> 00:52:16,238
So, I mean, I've been living across 3
Airbnbs.

788
00:52:16,238 --> 00:52:20,099
I live on Allen Creek, and, uh, and, and
they're just,

789
00:52:20,099 --> 00:52:25,174
they're just having a great time, you
know. They're having a good time.

790
00:52:25,174 --> 00:52:30,322
It's about 20, 30 people. That's probably
not what they say is in there.

791
00:52:30,322 --> 00:52:33,610
And it's just, it just doesn't make any
sense.

792
00:52:33,610 --> 00:52:39,544
So now that I'm listening to that, it's a
problem for you to manage. Why manage it?

793
00:52:39,544 --> 00:52:40,473
Shut it down.

794
00:52:40,473 --> 00:52:40,762
We can't.

795
00:52:40,762 --> 00:52:45,052
We don't need It's just a bother to us,
and and it's very unsafe.

796
00:52:45,052 --> 00:52:49,805
There's things that go on, and I've
reported a couple of things, and and

797
00:52:49,805 --> 00:52:50,201
reported a couple of things, and and
again,

798
00:52:50,201 --> 00:52:52,577
I haven't heard anything about them.

799
00:52:52,577 --> 00:52:53,963
But it's very unsafe,

800
00:52:53,963 --> 00:52:59,244
and I'm sure there are things happening
that that you probably won't let us know

801
00:52:59,244 --> 00:53:03,930
what's going on, and it should be shut
down. That's what you got to do.

802
00:53:03,930 --> 00:53:07,824
Take care of it that way. You're in
charge. It's a problem.

803
00:53:07,824 --> 00:53:12,379
You're not going to make any money here.
So that's all I have to say.

804
00:53:12,379 --> 00:53:17,857
Thank you so much. Now, we're normally not
going to have a front and back dialogue.

805
00:53:17,857 --> 00:53:22,279
I just want to address something on behalf
of this board and staff.

806
00:53:22,279 --> 00:53:26,108
A lot of us agree 100% with what this
gentleman just said,

807
00:53:26,108 --> 00:53:31,124
but the state has taken away our right to
be able to ban short-term rentals.

808
00:53:31,124 --> 00:53:34,424
So I would— we are trying to do everything
we can,

809
00:53:34,424 --> 00:53:39,045
and this board is going to ask as many
questions as we can to make our

810
00:53:39,045 --> 00:53:39,837
questions as we can to make our
restrictions

811
00:53:39,837 --> 00:53:45,051
as tight as possible within the legal
bounds the state of Florida has given us.

812
00:53:45,051 --> 00:53:50,398
But if you want real change, you do need
to reach out to your state legislatures,

813
00:53:50,398 --> 00:53:55,414
and they need to change the law to allow
us to have home rule and be able to

814
00:53:55,414 --> 00:53:59,374
regulate these items. What's their opinion
about keeping it?

815
00:53:59,374 --> 00:54:04,325
You would have to ask them. They're in
Tallahassee. I can't speak for them.

816
00:54:04,325 --> 00:54:05,909
Thank you so much. Next.

817
00:54:05,909 --> 00:54:06,859
Okay.

818
00:54:07,004 --> 00:54:07,696
Dagan Harris.

819
00:54:07,696 --> 00:54:13,768
I'm Dagan Harris. I'm at 1914 Cope Lane,
and I can tell you I am frustrated beyond.

820
00:54:13,768 --> 00:54:18,230
And what I've heard today just pisses me—
frustrates me more.

821
00:54:18,230 --> 00:54:23,058
What I hear is you're going to probably
charge us some more taxes.

822
00:54:23,058 --> 00:54:28,764
I need more people. I need more software,
which is ridiculous. We have AI now.

823
00:54:28,764 --> 00:54:31,910
There's a way to solve this better,
faster.

824
00:54:31,910 --> 00:54:35,202
I can't believe we haven't got to that
point.

825
00:54:35,202 --> 00:54:39,371
You got code enforcement, what, 4 to 6?
Take one of them.

826
00:54:39,371 --> 00:54:42,663
She just said this is a high priority for
us.

827
00:54:42,663 --> 00:54:48,150
Take one, take 2, and be a nuisance to the
people who are a nuisance to us.

828
00:54:48,150 --> 00:54:52,978
All I hear is giving fines. They don't
talk. Knock on their doors.

829
00:54:52,978 --> 00:54:58,757
Make their, their customers frustrated
because they're leaving trash out there.

830
00:54:58,757 --> 00:54:59,141
Thank you.

831
00:54:59,526 --> 00:55:02,768
their bin doors either parking all over
the place.

832
00:55:02,768 --> 00:55:07,503
You have that power to do something.
Finally, you said, well, we can't do

833
00:55:07,503 --> 00:55:08,086
Finally, you said, well, we can't do
anything.

834
00:55:08,086 --> 00:55:11,458
It's up to the state legislation. Well,
that's true.

835
00:55:11,458 --> 00:55:14,312
But there is something that you guys can
do.

836
00:55:14,312 --> 00:55:17,489
And you are part of the Florida League of
Cities.

837
00:55:17,489 --> 00:55:21,575
There's 411-ish counties, cities where
their attorneys collect.

838
00:55:21,575 --> 00:55:25,920
And all of you who know this is a problem
and come together as one,

839
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:27,995
quit fighting them individually.

840
00:55:27,995 --> 00:55:28,155
Thank you.

841
00:55:28,492 --> 00:55:31,861
And go up there and do something about it.
Quit putting it on us.

842
00:55:31,861 --> 00:55:35,749
You have the ability, but you're doing
nothing. You're giving us paperwork.

843
00:55:35,749 --> 00:55:38,652
We're going to do this. We're going to
raise your taxes.

844
00:55:38,652 --> 00:55:42,851
But we don't want to make it too nuisance
for them as they're making nuisance for

845
00:55:42,851 --> 00:55:46,583
us. What I'd love to see is give— instead
of us asking you for the data,

846
00:55:46,583 --> 00:55:50,419
show me the data of where the calls— we'll
give you the data all day long.

847
00:55:50,419 --> 00:55:51,871
You can make an online form.

848
00:55:51,871 --> 00:55:55,033
We can fill it out, give you pictures,
tell us what you need.

849
00:55:55,033 --> 00:55:57,106
We'll give you as much data as you want.

850
00:55:57,106 --> 00:56:00,216
You should be able to share that data
today so that we know.

851
00:56:00,216 --> 00:56:04,052
You know your top 4 to 5 nuisances. Start
with them. Don't go hit all 400.

852
00:56:04,052 --> 00:56:06,800
That'll take forever. Take the top 5. Hit
them first.

853
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:10,636
And when you're done with them, they'll
start talking. Go to the next one.

854
00:56:10,636 --> 00:56:14,783
And as you're doing that, go to the city.
Take the league, the city league, 411.

855
00:56:14,783 --> 00:56:18,411
Go do something about it. Go talk with us.
You guys are on that board.

856
00:56:18,411 --> 00:56:22,351
What are you doing? I don't— I see nothing
on that board talking about this.

857
00:56:22,351 --> 00:56:22,575
Thank you.

858
00:56:23,597 --> 00:56:27,411
So I'd love to see you get on that board
and do something about it and go be a

859
00:56:27,411 --> 00:56:31,127
nuisance to the top one. Start there. You
got the, um, the code enforcement.

860
00:56:31,127 --> 00:56:34,403
Pick a couple of those and do something.
We don't need to add more.

861
00:56:34,973 --> 00:56:35,250
Is that—

862
00:56:35,934 --> 00:56:40,776
what's the priority? She just said that's
the highest priority. Adjust them.

863
00:56:40,776 --> 00:56:44,662
Show us you mean it, not talk about it.
Thank you. Thank you.

864
00:56:44,662 --> 00:56:46,700
And if we got to do— we're good.

865
00:56:46,700 --> 00:56:50,077
We'll go as long as we need to tonight, to
be honest.

866
00:56:50,077 --> 00:56:53,517
We're gonna, we're gonna talk this out as
a community.

867
00:56:53,517 --> 00:56:56,829
I want you all to know we are not elected
officials.

868
00:56:56,829 --> 00:57:01,926
We are all citizen volunteers up here. We
do not make a single penny doing this.

869
00:57:01,926 --> 00:57:06,067
So I, I just— we are not members of the
Florida League of Cities.

870
00:57:06,067 --> 00:57:11,099
We are just regular citizens like you who
are trying to serve our community and

871
00:57:11,099 --> 00:57:13,584
advise our commission. Um, next person.

872
00:57:13,908 --> 00:57:14,297
Okay.

873
00:57:14,297 --> 00:57:20,535
Yes, I am your elected, and I will say I'm
sorry.

874
00:57:21,160 --> 00:57:21,272
Hello.

875
00:57:21,272 --> 00:57:25,554
I, I'm one of your electeds and I'm a
member of the Florida League of Cities,

876
00:57:25,554 --> 00:57:28,168
and I will tell you that that is
something, uh,

877
00:57:28,168 --> 00:57:32,450
all the cities have been talking about on
this, their lawyers, uh, and staff,

878
00:57:32,450 --> 00:57:35,175
and have been directing our staff how to
do this.

879
00:57:35,175 --> 00:57:36,565
Um, so this is something,

880
00:57:36,565 --> 00:57:40,792
if you really truly want change and give
it back to us and give this board a

881
00:57:40,792 --> 00:57:45,407
direction, is to reach out to your state
legislators and your governor and let them

882
00:57:45,407 --> 00:57:47,020
know to give this back to us.

883
00:57:47,373 --> 00:57:47,903
Home rule.

884
00:57:47,903 --> 00:57:48,657
How many cities?

885
00:57:48,657 --> 00:57:49,684
411.

886
00:57:49,684 --> 00:57:53,311
I question that. And I'll get you the
information for it.

887
00:57:53,391 --> 00:57:55,082
I absolutely will. Because trust me,

888
00:57:55,082 --> 00:57:58,606
we've sat in many meetings with Florida
League of Cities and challenged it.

889
00:57:58,606 --> 00:58:01,284
Every time I've gone up to Tallahassee to
lobby up there,

890
00:58:01,284 --> 00:58:04,901
their lawyers have been there trying to
convince legislators that this law is

891
00:58:04,901 --> 00:58:05,700
affecting cities.

892
00:58:06,021 --> 00:58:07,556
So I'll get you the complete information.

893
00:58:07,556 --> 00:58:09,841
I'll also get your state representatives'
information to you.

894
00:58:10,579 --> 00:58:14,468
Because honestly, I sometimes question why
aren't they at these meetings helping us

895
00:58:14,468 --> 00:58:14,655
out.

896
00:58:15,136 --> 00:58:15,553
So thank you.

897
00:58:15,553 --> 00:58:20,173
And one thing that just Commissioner Smith
made me think of too is Commissioner

898
00:58:20,173 --> 00:58:22,336
Flowers, who's a county commissioner.

899
00:58:22,336 --> 00:58:26,020
She's actually the president of the
Florida League of Counties.

900
00:58:26,790 --> 00:58:28,425
Oh, no, no, you're fine.

901
00:58:29,899 --> 00:58:34,533
It is a different organization, but it
represents all the counties in our state,

902
00:58:34,533 --> 00:58:38,994
and she has been pushing very hard to talk
to the legislature about this too.

903
00:58:38,994 --> 00:58:43,223
So on every, on every level, we are trying
to get that communication out.

904
00:58:43,223 --> 00:58:47,857
I appreciate that. I would love to see the
code enforcement start being nuanced.

905
00:58:47,857 --> 00:58:51,043
And I promise you we're going to talk
about that later.

906
00:58:51,043 --> 00:58:54,635
So I promise you, once we get through
public comment, we have—

907
00:58:54,635 --> 00:58:57,010
we're going to talk much more about that.

908
00:58:57,010 --> 00:58:59,209
Okay.

909
00:58:59,936 --> 00:59:01,020
Denae Goltepe.

910
00:59:01,020 --> 00:59:08,005
Hi, everybody.

911
00:59:08,587 --> 00:59:08,684
Hi.

912
00:59:08,860 --> 00:59:11,259
I'm a little out of my comfort zone here.

913
00:59:11,259 --> 00:59:15,121
Public speaking is just something that
brings me a lot of anxiety,

914
00:59:15,121 --> 00:59:19,569
but I feel that I have to do this today
because my situation is a little bit

915
00:59:19,569 --> 00:59:19,920
because my situation is a little bit
unique

916
00:59:19,920 --> 00:59:24,426
other than a lot of people's because,
first of all, my name is Danae Goltepe.

917
00:59:24,426 --> 00:59:28,405
I live at 1983 Bel Air Road. My house is
the one that is in the red.

918
00:59:28,822 --> 00:59:34,359
And if you can see this, this is Bel Air
Road. This is my house. This is 1995.

919
00:59:34,359 --> 00:59:35,069
I'm sorry.

920
00:59:35,503 --> 00:59:38,150
Bel Air Road. This is an Airbnb.

921
00:59:38,150 --> 00:59:43,031
They have to use my private property, my
easement, to make—

922
00:59:43,127 --> 00:59:46,177
to basically access their property.

923
00:59:46,964 --> 00:59:48,649
This is not just a noise issue.

924
00:59:48,986 --> 00:59:52,020
It affects my property, my safety, and my
quality of life.

925
00:59:53,224 --> 00:59:58,329
Um, we own and maintain this private road
that provides access to this rental.

926
00:59:58,538 --> 01:00:04,332
I pay for its upkeep, and yet it is now
heavily used by guests, many guests.

927
01:00:04,477 --> 01:00:09,844
I don't know if you saw on here, this
house is advertised for 16 people. 16.

928
01:00:10,360 --> 01:00:12,422
And it always has 16 people.

929
01:00:13,903 --> 01:00:18,047
My driveway, it is getting wear and tear.
There's congestion.

930
01:00:18,047 --> 01:00:22,259
And it's also a one-lane road that dead
ends into my property,

931
01:00:22,259 --> 01:00:24,229
which is surrounded by water.

932
01:00:24,293 --> 01:00:26,068
That's my only way in and out.

933
01:00:27,342 --> 01:00:30,847
One of the reasons I'm standing here to
talk talk about is because we've had

934
01:00:30,847 --> 01:00:31,170
talk talk about is because we've had
several

935
01:00:31,170 --> 01:00:31,816
safety issues.

936
01:00:32,564 --> 01:00:36,504
One of them happened on August 27th, 2025.

937
01:00:36,504 --> 01:00:39,975
This is kind of like a picture of my,

938
01:00:39,975 --> 01:00:41,570
my long driveway.

939
01:00:41,929 --> 01:00:45,773
I mean, it's, it's 2/10 of a mile long.
This is a picture of the driveway.

940
01:00:45,853 --> 01:00:48,381
This man, Life Flight had to be called.

941
01:00:48,445 --> 01:00:51,552
He hit a pediatric patient.

942
01:00:52,550 --> 01:00:56,070
They had to shut down Bel Air Boulevard
and he had to be life flighted.

943
01:00:56,070 --> 01:00:58,648
He was— they speed, they don't follow the
stop sign.

944
01:00:58,921 --> 01:01:01,776
There's— I mean, there was over 100 people
at this wedding.

945
01:01:02,530 --> 01:01:02,899
I couldn't—

946
01:01:02,915 --> 01:01:06,002
I can't leave my house. The traffic is
unbelievable.

947
01:01:06,002 --> 01:01:09,742
On top of incidences like that, I don't
know if you could tell,

948
01:01:09,742 --> 01:01:11,642
I'm 5 feet tall, I'm 120 pounds.

949
01:01:11,642 --> 01:01:14,821
Sometimes there's incidences where I have
to drive.

950
01:01:14,821 --> 01:01:19,870
Like, I don't even ride my bike to the
park anymore because there have been times

951
01:01:19,870 --> 01:01:24,669
there's 20 drunk men waiting for an Uber
On my driveway, I've been catcalled.

952
01:01:25,333 --> 01:01:29,632
I've been called white trash by telling
people to slow down.

953
01:01:29,632 --> 01:01:34,576
I've been referred to as a bitch, and this
is all on my own property.

954
01:01:34,576 --> 01:01:39,376
Um, I also brought a tax bill, uh, because
I want you to know this,

955
01:01:39,376 --> 01:01:45,037
that $19,416.62 is what I paid in taxes
for my piece of property in 2025. Thank

956
01:01:45,037 --> 01:01:45,323
for my piece of property in 2025. Thank
you.

957
01:01:45,323 --> 01:01:50,840
I've had that property since 2015, so
probably since 2018 when we built that,

958
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:56,716
I've probably put over 6 figures into that
house for taxes, and I don't feel safe.

959
01:01:56,716 --> 01:02:01,158
And they have to use my private property
to access that house.

960
01:02:01,158 --> 01:02:06,747
So how are we going to address something
like this? One, I have to pay for all

961
01:02:06,747 --> 01:02:07,105
like this? One, I have to pay for all
that.

962
01:02:07,105 --> 01:02:11,977
The city of Largo is not offering me money
to come pave my driveway.

963
01:02:11,977 --> 01:02:17,208
And so, but then again, how are we going
to stop these people, like, just

964
01:02:17,208 --> 01:02:17,924
to stop these people, like, just
lingering.

965
01:02:18,103 --> 01:02:21,923
I mean, it's happened numerous times, and
I'm up here literally shaking.

966
01:02:21,923 --> 01:02:23,355
So thank you for your time.

967
01:02:23,355 --> 01:02:26,331
Thank you so much. I'm so sorry for what
you're going through.

968
01:02:26,331 --> 01:02:26,765
Thank you.

969
01:02:26,765 --> 01:02:32,512
I just want to say to the citizen that

970
01:02:32,512 --> 01:02:39,166
spoke, I am truly sorry this is happening
to

971
01:02:39,166 --> 01:02:39,771
you.

972
01:02:39,916 --> 01:02:41,995
You should feel safe in your community.

973
01:02:42,470 --> 01:02:45,732
Honestly, I really don't. I feel trapped
in that house.

974
01:02:45,732 --> 01:02:48,875
But I'd like to see an ordinance made
that, you know,

975
01:02:48,875 --> 01:02:53,204
houses that have to use easements or have
to use other people's property,

976
01:02:53,204 --> 01:02:57,237
that they limit those. They cannot be like
any shorter than 30 days.

977
01:02:57,237 --> 01:03:01,922
We can eliminate some of those weddings
and those bachelor parties and those 20

978
01:03:01,922 --> 01:03:04,472
drunk men lingering on my private
property.

979
01:03:04,472 --> 01:03:07,200
Thank you for taking the time to listen to
me.

980
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:07,860
Thank you.

981
01:03:08,788 --> 01:03:15,048
Thank you for sharing your story. It means
a lot. Okay.

982
01:03:15,260 --> 01:03:15,973
Jeff Albenson.

983
01:03:15,973 --> 01:03:18,164
Hello. I'm Jeff Albenson.

984
01:03:18,164 --> 01:03:23,246
I have to tell you I'm an attorney, not
that that matters,

985
01:03:23,246 --> 01:03:28,066
and not that I'm here in any kind of
attorney capacity,

986
01:03:28,066 --> 01:03:33,498
but the bar rules suggest that I make sure
you guys know that.

987
01:03:33,498 --> 01:03:37,091
I also at times work in the civic sector,

988
01:03:37,091 --> 01:03:42,962
so I'm pretty familiar with what your job
is and what your role is.

989
01:03:42,962 --> 01:03:49,709
I don't want to waste a bunch of time
talking about how ridiculous 180 is and

990
01:03:49,709 --> 01:03:50,060
talking about how ridiculous 180 is and
what

991
01:03:50,060 --> 01:03:56,632
the state has done to us because there's
nothing you folks can do about it.

992
01:03:56,632 --> 01:04:01,539
I do want to give you a little bit of an
idea about how—

993
01:04:01,539 --> 01:04:05,132
what I think about this ordinance change.

994
01:04:05,132 --> 01:04:10,039
And then I want to give you a little bit
of information.

995
01:04:10,039 --> 01:04:16,523
My real concern is with the life safety
issues that are presented by these

996
01:04:16,523 --> 01:04:21,255
properties, and I'll talk about that in
just a second.

997
01:04:21,255 --> 01:04:27,126
What, what I'm concerned with in regard to
this proposed ordinance,

998
01:04:27,126 --> 01:04:34,049
this proposed legislation, is that, um,
there's a requirement for registration,

999
01:04:34,049 --> 01:04:37,817
but there are no teeth to that
requirement.

1000
01:04:37,817 --> 01:04:42,636
There's nothing in there that says if you
don't comply,

1001
01:04:42,636 --> 01:04:49,208
we'll pull your registration, we'll pull
your ability to run your business.

1002
01:04:49,208 --> 01:04:56,131
That should be in there, and you have the
right under the state law To do that,

1003
01:04:56,131 --> 01:04:57,883
to say exactly that.

1004
01:04:57,883 --> 01:05:03,054
Because if if you have the right to
require a registration,

1005
01:05:03,054 --> 01:05:07,698
then you have the right to enforce that
registration.

1006
01:05:07,698 --> 01:05:12,430
And there's nothing in here to take take
up with that.

1007
01:05:12,430 --> 01:05:17,424
There's a couple things that I'm a little
confused about.

1008
01:05:17,424 --> 01:05:21,455
Early in the in the ordinance, it talks
about.

1009
01:05:21,455 --> 01:05:28,290
Complying with the Uniform Fire Safety
Standards for transient public lodging,

1010
01:05:28,290 --> 01:05:31,795
but then when you jump down to the pool,

1011
01:05:31,795 --> 01:05:38,455
it just says that there's a requirement to
comply with the residential pool,

1012
01:05:38,455 --> 01:05:45,553
which is basically have a fence around it.
This is what I want to tell you, okay?

1013
01:05:45,553 --> 01:05:49,584
Every city is dealing with this kind of
stuff.

1014
01:05:49,584 --> 01:05:56,156
every area, and especially places like we
have, nice, close to the beaches,

1015
01:05:56,156 --> 01:06:01,063
plenty of stuff to do and places to eat
and all of that.

1016
01:06:01,063 --> 01:06:07,372
West Manatee— oh, I'm sorry, West Manatee
dealt with the same situation.

1017
01:06:07,372 --> 01:06:14,294
They beefed up their transient, you know,
whatever they called their ordinance.

1018
01:06:14,294 --> 01:06:21,392
Before they did, and this, this is one of
the things that's blowing me away here,

1019
01:06:21,392 --> 01:06:26,913
that, that there's— we don't even know how
many of these exist.

1020
01:06:26,913 --> 01:06:31,645
It says between 400 and 600. That's a huge
difference.

1021
01:06:31,645 --> 01:06:35,325
And I think we, we should know. I'm sorry.

1022
01:06:35,325 --> 01:06:36,385
No, you can finish your sentence.

1023
01:06:36,385 --> 01:06:38,704
Okay, thank you. So, um,

1024
01:06:38,704 --> 01:06:46,239
We should know how many there are because
we should be collecting at least the

1025
01:06:46,239 --> 01:06:53,871
registration fee, and the registration fee
should reflect the idea that we have

1026
01:06:53,871 --> 01:07:00,536
to hire a new code inspector and a new
person at the fire department,

1027
01:07:00,536 --> 01:07:04,884
which I'm going to guess is $80,000,
$90,000,

1028
01:07:04,884 --> 01:07:11,839
$100,000 a year salary for the fire, and I
don't know, $50,000, $60,000,

1029
01:07:11,839 --> 01:07:16,090
$70,000 for the code. That's a lot of
money.

1030
01:07:16,090 --> 01:07:20,631
When West Manatee looked at their stats
before—

1031
01:07:20,631 --> 01:07:25,944
this is the West Manatee Special Fire
Control District—

1032
01:07:25,944 --> 01:07:32,899
when they looked at their statistics, once
they enacted a new ordinance,

1033
01:07:32,899 --> 01:07:35,218
the fire rate went down.

1034
01:07:35,218 --> 01:07:42,463
Before they enacted that new legislation,
Over 70, I think it was 73 or 74,

1035
01:07:42,463 --> 01:07:49,709
but it's over 70% of the structural
residential fires in their fire control

1036
01:07:49,709 --> 01:07:55,505
district, which is about the same size as
Pinellas Suncoast.

1037
01:07:55,505 --> 01:08:00,239
Over 70% of the fires were at short-term
rentals.

1038
01:08:00,239 --> 01:08:07,774
That tells you the kind of burden that
these entities I do need you to wrap it

1039
01:08:07,774 --> 01:08:08,064
up.

1040
01:08:08,129 --> 01:08:09,525
I just wanted you to finish your thought.

1041
01:08:09,525 --> 01:08:14,426
100% of the drownings or near drownings
were at short-term rentals.

1042
01:08:14,426 --> 01:08:20,425
When they changed their ordinance and they
beefed it up and they put some teeth in

1043
01:08:20,425 --> 01:08:22,985
where they could pull certificates,

1044
01:08:22,985 --> 01:08:27,301
it went down to 14% of the fires and zero
of the drownings.

1045
01:08:27,301 --> 01:08:29,130
drownings near drownings.

1046
01:08:29,130 --> 01:08:33,666
So that's the kind of thing that I'd like
to see you folks do.

1047
01:08:33,666 --> 01:08:37,616
I know what your limitations are, and I
appreciate it,

1048
01:08:37,616 --> 01:08:40,689
and I'm sorry to everybody for going over,

1049
01:08:40,689 --> 01:08:46,760
but I think it's important information to
understand how this impacts the community

1050
01:08:46,760 --> 01:08:47,492
long-term.

1051
01:08:47,540 --> 01:08:51,385
Thank you. Thank you so much, sir.

1052
01:08:54,385 --> 01:08:57,763
Michael Schaefer.

1053
01:09:00,763 --> 01:09:01,453
Good evening, everyone.

1054
01:09:01,453 --> 01:09:02,094
Good evening.

1055
01:09:02,094 --> 01:09:06,340
My name is Michael Schaefer. I live at 706
Shore Drive in Largo.

1056
01:09:06,340 --> 01:09:10,852
I live on, um, Ellen's Creek, if you're
familiar with Ellen's Creek.

1057
01:09:10,852 --> 01:09:14,634
I have 2 VRBOs on the opposite side of the
water from me,

1058
01:09:14,634 --> 01:09:17,355
and has been a complete nightmare for us.

1059
01:09:17,355 --> 01:09:21,468
When my wife and I bought the house almost
6 years to the day,

1060
01:09:21,468 --> 01:09:26,644
we thought it would be a good place to
retire. My wife's a flight attendant at

1061
01:09:26,644 --> 01:09:26,843
retire. My wife's a flight attendant at
St.

1062
01:09:26,843 --> 01:09:30,956
Pete Clearwater Airport for Allegiant.
It's close to her work.

1063
01:09:30,956 --> 01:09:35,336
We figured we could see there. Boy, did
that change in early 2023.

1064
01:09:35,336 --> 01:09:37,193
I'm sorry, yeah, early 2023.

1065
01:09:37,193 --> 01:09:42,103
I know your hands are tied, but it's been
a complete nightmare for us now.

1066
01:09:42,103 --> 01:09:45,288
I've had so many run-ins with the people
across.

1067
01:09:45,288 --> 01:09:50,596
I don't have to worry about parking, as
many of these people do, because I have.

1068
01:09:50,596 --> 01:09:55,241
300, 200 feet of water. But they're down
here from Michigan, wherever.

1069
01:09:55,241 --> 01:10:00,217
They're here to party. I get it. They're
here to Florida, have a good time.

1070
01:10:00,894 --> 01:10:01,346
They have a—

1071
01:10:01,458 --> 01:10:03,530
they feel like they have a right,

1072
01:10:03,530 --> 01:10:06,921
they have an entitlement because they paid
to be here.

1073
01:10:06,921 --> 01:10:09,433
But what about my rights as a homeowner?

1074
01:10:09,433 --> 01:10:13,955
I have, between my homeowner's insurance,
my property taxes, everything,

1075
01:10:13,955 --> 01:10:17,220
I'm out $16,000 a year, and it goes up all
the time.

1076
01:10:17,220 --> 01:10:19,544
I have rights as a homeowner as well.

1077
01:10:19,544 --> 01:10:23,814
Again, I know you— your hands are tied,
but something's got to give.

1078
01:10:23,814 --> 01:10:28,399
Short-term rental does not belong in a
residential area. It's a business.

1079
01:10:28,399 --> 01:10:32,167
They're businesses. They don't belong in a
residential area.

1080
01:10:32,167 --> 01:10:36,248
We get a constant stream of strangers. I
don't know who they are.

1081
01:10:36,248 --> 01:10:41,021
My wife, when she gets home from work, my
one thing— it's almost a joke now.

1082
01:10:41,021 --> 01:10:43,470
We said, We got a new group over there.

1083
01:10:43,470 --> 01:10:48,306
I can't say they're all bad, but it's
almost a joke because are they going to

1084
01:10:48,306 --> 01:10:48,494
almost a joke because are they going to
be—

1085
01:10:48,494 --> 01:10:53,016
are they going to oblige by the rules? Are
they just going to be insane?

1086
01:10:53,016 --> 01:10:58,165
We're talking about this. The guy right
across the street, he lives in California.

1087
01:10:58,165 --> 01:11:03,001
He doesn't care. He doesn't care. And
we've had the police out there numerous

1088
01:11:03,001 --> 01:11:03,377
we've had the police out there numerous
times.

1089
01:11:03,377 --> 01:11:06,015
You said you're short-staffed with police.

1090
01:11:06,015 --> 01:11:08,778
They'll show up an hour and a half, 2
hours.

1091
01:11:08,778 --> 01:11:13,362
The people across the street with their
party, they'll turn the music up.

1092
01:11:13,362 --> 01:11:17,633
Because they know the cops aren't going to
be out there for a while.

1093
01:11:17,633 --> 01:11:22,029
They almost thumb their noses at you. So
something has to give, folks.

1094
01:11:22,029 --> 01:11:24,101
Really, that's all I have to say.

1095
01:11:24,671 --> 01:11:24,980
Thank you.

1096
01:11:24,980 --> 01:11:29,610
Thank you. David Thornton. 2196 Lawrence
Drive.

1097
01:11:29,610 --> 01:11:33,354
I was going to read a brief statement.

1098
01:11:33,354 --> 01:11:36,901
The city attorney, as you well know,

1099
01:11:36,901 --> 01:11:43,009
has said with 180 can't change the
occupancy limits right now.

1100
01:11:43,009 --> 01:11:50,397
Well, that means that the 2 homes that are
currently for sale on my street,

1101
01:11:50,397 --> 01:11:56,210
Lawrence Drive, right now under the
current occupancy caps,

1102
01:11:56,210 --> 01:12:03,500
they could put 41 renters in one of them,
54 in the other. How about that?

1103
01:12:03,500 --> 01:12:03,741
Thank you.

1104
01:12:04,449 --> 01:12:08,352
We already have one short-term rental on
our cul-de-sac.

1105
01:12:08,352 --> 01:12:12,883
There's only 14 houses and one of them's a
short-term rental now.

1106
01:12:12,883 --> 01:12:16,577
He took the 3-car garage, turned it into a
game room.

1107
01:12:16,577 --> 01:12:21,945
He, uh, has pickleball courts out back.
He's turned it into 7 bedrooms and 13

1108
01:12:21,945 --> 01:12:22,293
He's turned it into 7 bedrooms and 13
beds.

1109
01:12:22,293 --> 01:12:25,569
He advertises as a pickleball resort on
Airbnb.

1110
01:12:25,569 --> 01:12:31,076
If I wanted to live next to a resort, I'd
have bought a house next to a resort.

1111
01:12:31,076 --> 01:12:35,258
I bought a house on a quiet cul-de-sac,
residentially zoned.

1112
01:12:35,258 --> 01:12:38,185
So I'm not getting what I was looking for.

1113
01:12:38,185 --> 01:12:41,671
And so because we don't have these
occupancy caps,

1114
01:12:41,671 --> 01:12:46,968
then that means that this ordinance that
you're contemplating has to be very

1115
01:12:46,968 --> 01:12:47,456
you're contemplating has to be very
robust.

1116
01:12:47,456 --> 01:12:52,544
It's got to protect the health, safety,
and welfare of our neighborhoods.

1117
01:12:52,544 --> 01:12:57,493
A detailed memo regarding some
deficiencies, or perceived deficiencies.

1118
01:12:57,493 --> 01:13:02,442
Maybe once we understand it, maybe we
won't think they're deficiencies,

1119
01:13:02,442 --> 01:13:06,694
but right now we think they're
deficiencies. So the perceived

1120
01:13:06,694 --> 01:13:07,879
deficiencies. So the perceived
deficiencies— Dr.

1121
01:13:07,879 --> 01:13:11,434
Callis, Dr. Mary Callis, I'm sure is
probably here,

1122
01:13:11,434 --> 01:13:15,616
wrote a very detailed memo about the
perceived deficiencies.

1123
01:13:15,616 --> 01:13:20,844
She also attached an ordinance from
Hillsborough County which is working on

1124
01:13:20,844 --> 01:13:21,402
Hillsborough County which is working on
the same

1125
01:13:21,402 --> 01:13:25,723
issue right now, and they have a draft
ordinance under review.

1126
01:13:25,723 --> 01:13:28,790
Their ordinance looks more robust than
ours.

1127
01:13:28,790 --> 01:13:34,645
And so my, my thought is it's not prudent
to go ahead and pass this ordinance if you

1128
01:13:34,645 --> 01:13:37,154
don't stop— We've had communication.

1129
01:13:37,154 --> 01:13:41,058
The city has been very good about
communicating with us,

1130
01:13:41,058 --> 01:13:45,240
and the city attorney told us that she
only recently saw Dr.

1131
01:13:45,240 --> 01:13:49,562
Callis's email and the attached
Hillsborough County ordinance.

1132
01:13:49,562 --> 01:13:55,208
Well, I don't think it's prudent to go
ahead and pass this without saying to her,

1133
01:13:55,208 --> 01:13:57,856
hey, go back, take another look at it.

1134
01:13:57,856 --> 01:14:03,224
Let's see if we— what we can do to make
this more comprehensive, more robust.

1135
01:14:03,224 --> 01:14:05,803
I like that word robust. More robust.

1136
01:14:05,803 --> 01:14:07,894
And I want to be really clear,

1137
01:14:07,894 --> 01:14:11,936
I am in no way criticizing the city
attorney or the staff.

1138
01:14:11,936 --> 01:14:14,934
I mean, they've been very responsive to
us.

1139
01:14:14,934 --> 01:14:17,931
I know this is the state's fault
primarily.

1140
01:14:17,931 --> 01:14:23,228
I just think that when I've got a
situation where I could end up with 40 and

1141
01:14:23,228 --> 01:14:23,368
situation where I could end up with 40 and
50

1142
01:14:23,368 --> 01:14:25,459
people in houses on my street,

1143
01:14:25,459 --> 01:14:30,965
that we should take the time to go back
and have the city attorney look at what

1144
01:14:30,965 --> 01:14:34,381
they're doing in Hillsborough, look at all
of Dr.

1145
01:14:34,381 --> 01:14:40,097
Callis's suggestions, and go through and
write an analysis and say point by point,

1146
01:14:40,097 --> 01:14:43,233
I can't do this, or I can't do that, and
why.

1147
01:14:43,233 --> 01:14:47,973
And if you do all that, then I'm happy you
did everything you could.

1148
01:14:47,973 --> 01:14:53,480
But right now, I'm not in a position to
feel like everything that could be done

1149
01:14:53,480 --> 01:14:53,689
feel like everything that could be done
has

1150
01:14:53,689 --> 01:14:55,989
been done. So thank you for your—

1151
01:14:55,989 --> 01:14:56,705
Thank you.

1152
01:14:56,705 --> 01:15:02,806
Thank you.

1153
01:15:02,806 --> 01:15:06,285
Lynnae W.

1154
01:15:09,285 --> 01:15:13,183
Good evening. Um, first, I don't know if
there are any short-term rental, uh,

1155
01:15:13,183 --> 01:15:15,512
owners here, but I want to address them
first.

1156
01:15:15,512 --> 01:15:17,487
I don't know if there are any, but, um,

1157
01:15:17,487 --> 01:15:21,334
the Largo residents wouldn't be here
pushing for change in the ordinances if

1158
01:15:21,334 --> 01:15:21,486
pushing for change in the ordinances if
you

1159
01:15:21,486 --> 01:15:23,917
obey the existing ordinances in the first
place.

1160
01:15:23,917 --> 01:15:27,663
Instead, the majority disregard, disobey,
and abuse them on a daily basis.

1161
01:15:27,856 --> 01:15:28,195
Ignore—

1162
01:15:28,195 --> 01:15:29,652
Can you talk into the microphone, please?

1163
01:15:29,652 --> 01:15:32,795
Okay, I'm sorry. Thank you.

1164
01:15:32,795 --> 01:15:33,100
Hang on.

1165
01:15:33,164 --> 01:15:34,788
Yep, I have something to say.

1166
01:15:34,788 --> 01:15:38,651
Um, the majority disregard, disobey, and
abuse them on a daily basis,

1167
01:15:38,651 --> 01:15:42,626
ignoring safety issues that affect both
the renters and the surrounding

1168
01:15:42,626 --> 01:15:43,297
the renters and the surrounding
communities.

1169
01:15:43,297 --> 01:15:46,097
You're operating as a business without
storefront,

1170
01:15:46,097 --> 01:15:50,464
yet violating the very codes a typical
business would be required to uphold or

1171
01:15:50,464 --> 01:15:50,688
business would be required to uphold or
they

1172
01:15:50,688 --> 01:15:54,719
would be shut down. You need to
familiarize yourself with the local code

1173
01:15:54,719 --> 01:15:54,887
familiarize yourself with the local code
and

1174
01:15:54,887 --> 01:15:59,141
ordinances, including max capacity
occupants, monitor your properties daily,

1175
01:15:59,141 --> 01:16:02,781
Learn when the trash goes out, make sure
the cans get brought in.

1176
01:16:02,781 --> 01:16:07,203
And did you know that there's a trash
valet service that will take care of that

1177
01:16:07,203 --> 01:16:07,371
valet service that will take care of that
for

1178
01:16:07,371 --> 01:16:10,675
you? Post that information inside. Don't
allow overparking.

1179
01:16:10,675 --> 01:16:14,538
Obtain proper permitting based on our
density and zoning regulations.

1180
01:16:14,538 --> 01:16:18,960
And this applies to specifically a Blue
Gem Management that has been absolutely

1181
01:16:18,960 --> 01:16:22,656
irresponsible in managing some of the
properties in our community.

1182
01:16:22,656 --> 01:16:24,447
This also includes Airbnb hosts.

1183
01:16:24,447 --> 01:16:28,590
You want to advertise that your property
is in a nice, quiet neighborhood,

1184
01:16:28,590 --> 01:16:32,957
then you should treat it like a nice,
quiet neighborhood and keep it that way.

1185
01:16:32,957 --> 01:16:37,548
Show some respect for those of us trying
to live our lives peacefully and enjoying

1186
01:16:37,548 --> 01:16:41,579
our neighborhoods without having noise,
trash, parties, and overparking.

1187
01:16:41,579 --> 01:16:46,226
We are not your babysitters. And then the
rest, I just wanted to address the board.

1188
01:16:46,226 --> 01:16:49,305
Um, within— uh, while the new ordinance is
a start, um,

1189
01:16:49,305 --> 01:16:53,616
we're way behind in many of the other
municipalities for the proposal for the

1190
01:16:53,616 --> 01:16:57,927
ordinances, like Indian Rocks and Dunedin
and others. Okay, we're way behind.

1191
01:16:57,927 --> 01:17:01,846
And the problem is, without enforcement,
strict enforcement, you know,

1192
01:17:01,846 --> 01:17:06,325
it's very disheartening to those of us who
live here and pay our taxes that it's

1193
01:17:06,325 --> 01:17:10,635
taken this long and that we still have to
fight so hard to get to this point.

1194
01:17:10,635 --> 01:17:15,226
The members of our community are going to
be relentless in our pursuit of the laws

1195
01:17:15,226 --> 01:17:19,649
and ordinances being obeyed and enforced
by the city, wherever that path leads.

1196
01:17:19,649 --> 01:17:22,560
including legal action and media exposure,
so be it.

1197
01:17:22,560 --> 01:17:24,800
And it's not a threat, it's just a fact.

1198
01:17:24,800 --> 01:17:28,439
We are, we are going to do what we can to
protect our properties.

1199
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:32,806
We're not backing down. And let me repeat
that again: we are not backing down.

1200
01:17:32,806 --> 01:17:34,261
We're standing our ground.

1201
01:17:34,261 --> 01:17:37,789
Many hotels do not belong in residential
neighborhoods, period.

1202
01:17:37,789 --> 01:17:41,820
If other Largo— if other local communities
can enforce it, so can Largo.

1203
01:17:41,820 --> 01:17:46,354
And we will not stand by and allow our
neighborhoods to be run by business owners

1204
01:17:46,354 --> 01:17:51,057
and property managers who only seek what's
best for their bank accounts accounts and

1205
01:17:51,057 --> 01:17:54,640
could care less about the neighbors who
live in our communities.

1206
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:56,096
That's what I have to say.

1207
01:17:56,096 --> 01:17:56,697
Thank you.

1208
01:17:56,826 --> 01:18:00,977
Thank you. Beth McMullen. Evening. My name
is Beth McMullen.

1209
01:18:00,977 --> 01:18:04,783
I live at 481 Harbor Drive South in Indian
Rocks Beach.

1210
01:18:04,783 --> 01:18:07,412
Although I live in Indian Rocks Beach,

1211
01:18:07,412 --> 01:18:11,563
my husband and I own 2 long-term rental
homes here in Largo.

1212
01:18:11,563 --> 01:18:15,991
We are lifelong Pinellas County residents,
so we have an invest—

1213
01:18:15,991 --> 01:18:20,004
a vested interest in this community and
its neighborhoods.

1214
01:18:20,004 --> 01:18:21,941
Over the past several years,

1215
01:18:21,941 --> 01:18:27,684
we've been involved in IRB navigating many
of the short-term rental challenges that

1216
01:18:27,684 --> 01:18:30,036
Largo is now beginning to address.

1217
01:18:30,036 --> 01:18:35,433
I've also attended your meetings and read
the proposed ordinance and also your

1218
01:18:35,433 --> 01:18:40,552
workshops, and I want to thank the
planning board It's clear that a lot of

1219
01:18:40,552 --> 01:18:40,968
planning board It's clear that a lot of
effort

1220
01:18:40,968 --> 01:18:44,496
and thought has gone into developing this
proposal.

1221
01:18:44,496 --> 01:18:48,578
I know many people are wondering if these
impacts are real,

1222
01:18:48,578 --> 01:18:52,868
why can't the city just do more? I've
asked the same question.

1223
01:18:52,868 --> 01:18:58,334
What I've learned is that Florida law
places real limits on what cities can do.

1224
01:18:58,334 --> 01:19:03,384
More recently, SB 180 has made local
governments even more cautious about

1225
01:19:03,384 --> 01:19:03,938
governments even more cautious about
adopting

1226
01:19:03,938 --> 01:19:08,989
regulations that could be more considered
more restrictive or burdensome.

1227
01:19:08,989 --> 01:19:14,524
As I understand it, those restrictions are
currently expected to remain in place

1228
01:19:14,524 --> 01:19:18,329
until October 2027 unless the state law
changes sooner,

1229
01:19:18,329 --> 01:19:23,864
and then you could get down to real work.
It doesn't mean the city is powerless.

1230
01:19:23,864 --> 01:19:26,493
It means the city has to be strategic.

1231
01:19:26,493 --> 01:19:32,236
After reading this proposed ordinance, I
believe you're laying a strong foundation.

1232
01:19:32,236 --> 01:19:34,519
Registration, annual inspections,

1233
01:19:34,519 --> 01:19:40,330
responsible party requirements and parking
plans are all important steps that should

1234
01:19:40,330 --> 01:19:45,381
give the city better information and
stronger enforcement moving forward.

1235
01:19:45,381 --> 01:19:47,595
And enforcement is the key here.

1236
01:19:47,595 --> 01:19:52,646
My only request is this: as you move
forward towards the first and second

1237
01:19:52,646 --> 01:19:53,199
forward towards the first and second
reading,

1238
01:19:53,199 --> 01:19:56,382
please continue thinking about this
ordinance.

1239
01:19:56,382 --> 01:20:01,087
Don't let this become the finish line. Let
it become the foundation.

1240
01:20:01,087 --> 01:20:05,930
Continue collecting data, continuing
documenting Neighborhood impacts.

1241
01:20:05,930 --> 01:20:10,012
Continue planning for what's next as the
state law evolves.

1242
01:20:10,012 --> 01:20:12,987
Good ordinances aren't written all at
once.

1243
01:20:12,987 --> 01:20:17,623
They're built over time, and you need this
information to build it.

1244
01:20:17,623 --> 01:20:22,950
The thing I hope you will also consider as
this program develops is providing

1245
01:20:22,950 --> 01:20:28,208
residents with an easy way to report
short-term rental violations and making

1246
01:20:28,208 --> 01:20:28,485
short-term rental violations and making
sure

1247
01:20:28,485 --> 01:20:32,567
that those complaints are documented and
tracked over time.

1248
01:20:32,567 --> 01:20:32,711
Thank you.

1249
01:20:33,352 --> 01:20:35,180
Something such as Granicus.

1250
01:20:35,180 --> 01:20:39,581
Resident involvement and good
documentation can become the city's

1251
01:20:39,581 --> 01:20:40,664
documentation can become the city's
greatest assets.

1252
01:20:40,664 --> 01:20:44,590
Finally, I want to leave you with one
encouraging thought.

1253
01:20:44,590 --> 01:20:49,397
Indian Rocks Beach recently adopted a
resolution committed to building—

1254
01:20:49,397 --> 01:20:54,136
to build a coalition of municipalities
throughout Florida to advocate,

1255
01:20:54,136 --> 01:20:58,131
advocate for greater local authority over
issues like this.

1256
01:20:58,131 --> 01:21:02,058
We recognize that no one community is
going to solve this.

1257
01:21:02,058 --> 01:21:04,698
Our city has already begun that effort,

1258
01:21:04,698 --> 01:21:10,385
and my hope is that Largo will join Indian
Rocks Beach and other Florida communities

1259
01:21:10,385 --> 01:21:12,077
in that statewide effort.

1260
01:21:12,077 --> 01:21:17,494
Working together, we have a much stronger
voice in Tallahassee than any one city

1261
01:21:17,494 --> 01:21:20,066
working alone. We've hired a lobbyist,

1262
01:21:20,066 --> 01:21:24,873
and we've also hired a Tampa
communications PR firm for this coalition.

1263
01:21:24,873 --> 01:21:25,017
Thank you.

1264
01:21:25,421 --> 01:21:30,878
So please join us. Thank you. Thank you.

1265
01:21:33,878 --> 01:21:38,331
Terry Conrad, or maybe it's Jerry.

1266
01:21:38,686 --> 01:21:43,687
I'm sorry.

1267
01:21:43,687 --> 01:21:47,826
Thank you all for your service. I
appreciate that.

1268
01:21:47,826 --> 01:21:52,379
Chase and Cheryl, thank you for everything
you've done.

1269
01:21:52,379 --> 01:21:55,442
I disagree with many of the speakers.

1270
01:21:55,442 --> 01:22:01,402
I think you have a lot of stuff on the
books right now that is not being

1271
01:22:01,402 --> 01:22:02,147
books right now that is not being
enforced.

1272
01:22:02,147 --> 01:22:08,852
Um, I have a boat and vehicle sticking 5
feet out in the street across the street

1273
01:22:08,852 --> 01:22:11,418
from me right this very moment.

1274
01:22:11,418 --> 01:22:17,958
We had a Little League baseball team from
Charlotte, North Carolina a week ago.

1275
01:22:17,958 --> 01:22:21,931
We've had our challenges. I know you have
yours.

1276
01:22:21,931 --> 01:22:24,911
This low light's hard for me to see.

1277
01:22:24,911 --> 01:22:30,540
I just wonder, instead of constantly
talking about what we can't do,

1278
01:22:30,540 --> 01:22:33,189
let's figure out what we can do.

1279
01:22:33,790 --> 01:22:34,064
Let's—

1280
01:22:34,064 --> 01:22:37,220
has anyone, has anyone looked at deeds?

1281
01:22:37,220 --> 01:22:43,208
Has anyone looked at how deeds are
transferred and the restrictions within

1282
01:22:43,208 --> 01:22:43,937
transferred and the restrictions within
the deeds

1283
01:22:43,937 --> 01:22:50,491
as they're transferred from owner to owner
and what is allowed in a neighborhood?

1284
01:22:50,491 --> 01:22:52,191
It's a novel thought.

1285
01:22:52,191 --> 01:22:58,017
The other thing is, I know Chase has
specifically said 3 occupants for 1

1286
01:22:58,017 --> 01:22:58,826
specifically said 3 occupants for 1
off-street

1287
01:22:58,826 --> 01:23:04,976
parking place. We've also said we can fine
people for advertising over that.

1288
01:23:04,976 --> 01:23:11,126
We have— this place isn't even legally
permitted as far as I know right now.

1289
01:23:11,126 --> 01:23:14,282
They just failed their fire inspection.

1290
01:23:14,282 --> 01:23:18,733
They're at— they started out advertising
for 16 people.

1291
01:23:18,733 --> 01:23:24,883
They reduced it when they got caught down
to 13. They have 2 parking places.

1292
01:23:24,883 --> 01:23:31,438
They should be only allowed— that's what
we have right now in, in, in our bucket.

1293
01:23:31,438 --> 01:23:37,669
Just failed fire inspection, still
operating. How does that work? I don't get

1294
01:23:37,669 --> 01:23:37,912
operating. How does that work? I don't get
it.

1295
01:23:37,912 --> 01:23:40,582
I mean, they're breaking the law.

1296
01:23:40,808 --> 01:23:41,679
They're being fined every day.

1297
01:23:41,679 --> 01:23:43,446
I Okay.

1298
01:23:44,076 --> 01:23:47,692
I didn't say my address. 1845 Del Robles
Drive.

1299
01:23:49,272 --> 01:23:49,965
Sorry.

1300
01:23:49,965 --> 01:23:56,575
The posting on the new ordinance, I'm
told, and I don't remember. I've read it.

1301
01:23:56,575 --> 01:23:59,671
I just got in from out of town today.

1302
01:23:59,671 --> 01:24:06,114
But I'm told that the posting is for first
responders. That you're requiring.

1303
01:24:06,114 --> 01:24:12,975
The posting should be for the people that
run this to come and address any issues.

1304
01:24:12,975 --> 01:24:18,414
I mean, that should be—it should be
outside; it should be inside.

1305
01:24:18,414 --> 01:24:22,597
It's supposed to be that one person is not
enough.

1306
01:24:22,597 --> 01:24:27,701
Charge enough in the registration fees to
get two inspectors.

1307
01:24:27,701 --> 01:24:33,977
You can't do it with one person. And you
need people available after hours.

1308
01:24:33,977 --> 01:24:39,834
Most of the problems we have are after
hours. I mean, not all of them.

1309
01:24:39,834 --> 01:24:44,938
We've been trying to address this, and,
and I, you know, I'm—

1310
01:24:44,938 --> 01:24:48,954
let's find solutions with what we have in
place.

1311
01:24:48,954 --> 01:24:55,313
And what I'm, what I'm hearing is we have
laws, we have ordinances, we have,

1312
01:24:55,313 --> 01:25:01,003
we have all this stuff that's not together
in different departments.

1313
01:25:01,003 --> 01:25:06,860
I And maybe it might be an idea to get it
all in one place. Thank you.

1314
01:25:06,860 --> 01:25:09,904
Thank you.

1315
01:25:12,904 --> 01:25:13,761
Patty Peterson.

1316
01:25:13,761 --> 01:25:21,669
Hi. Good evening.

1317
01:25:21,669 --> 01:25:22,106
Good evening.

1318
01:25:22,106 --> 01:25:25,923
I didn't realize you guys were volunteers.
Thank you so much.

1319
01:25:25,923 --> 01:25:30,053
I know this is a big chunk out of your
time with your families and

1320
01:25:30,053 --> 01:25:30,554
friends.

1321
01:25:31,592 --> 01:25:32,722
Um, I'm a real estate agent.

1322
01:25:33,286 --> 01:25:40,212
Don't hate me. Um, one of my conundrums is
living at 1859 Del Robles Terrace and

1323
01:25:40,212 --> 01:25:44,628
having— oh, sorry. Since 2017, we bought
our house.

1324
01:25:44,628 --> 01:25:51,381
We now have at least 7 Airbnbs within a
half a Now, being a real estate agent,

1325
01:25:51,381 --> 01:25:58,220
I can't pick and choose what my buyers
want to buy and why they want to buy it.

1326
01:25:58,220 --> 01:26:04,973
However, it breaks my heart every time I
see one of the houses go up for sale,

1327
01:26:04,973 --> 01:26:10,341
not necessarily my listing, and it gets
turned into an Airbnb.

1328
01:26:10,967 --> 01:26:15,125
Now, are there some responsible Airbnb
hosts? Absolutely.

1329
01:26:15,960 --> 01:26:20,973
My sister stayed at one right on the
corner of the end of our road.

1330
01:26:20,973 --> 01:26:25,613
They are a lovely couple. They take good
care of the property.

1331
01:26:25,613 --> 01:26:29,653
Their son lives nearby because they live
out of state,

1332
01:26:29,653 --> 01:26:32,123
and they regulate their property.

1333
01:26:32,123 --> 01:26:35,190
However, as you have heard over and over,

1334
01:26:35,190 --> 01:26:40,129
there is a property right next to a
school, a religious Christian—

1335
01:26:40,177 --> 01:26:41,765
Christian— yeah.

1336
01:26:41,765 --> 01:26:42,182
42.

1337
01:26:42,182 --> 01:26:50,102
That I almost had a head-on collision last
week because they had the mini—

1338
01:26:50,199 --> 01:26:54,692
the softball team, baseball, Little
League, 12 cars.

1339
01:26:54,692 --> 01:26:57,081
On the curb.

1340
01:26:57,081 --> 01:26:59,858
Yeah. I mean, that's endangering my life.

1341
01:26:59,858 --> 01:27:03,584
That's endangering all of my wonderful
neighbors' life.

1342
01:27:04,005 --> 01:27:09,141
That's endangering the parents with the
kids going to and from the school, St.

1343
01:27:09,206 --> 01:27:12,069
Paul's, right there on Allen Creek.

1344
01:27:12,069 --> 01:27:18,205
What if one of those cars does get in a
head-on collision and somebody dies

1345
01:27:18,205 --> 01:27:18,778
head-on collision and somebody dies
because

1346
01:27:18,778 --> 01:27:24,914
there's an unregulated, unpermitted,
unlicensed Airbnb running right there?

1347
01:27:24,914 --> 01:27:27,123
It's a 3 or 4 bedroom home.

1348
01:27:27,123 --> 01:27:32,605
Why are there 18 to 20 people in that
place with multiple vehicles?

1349
01:27:32,605 --> 01:27:38,086
And this is not the first issue. There
have been parties till 3 AM.

1350
01:27:38,086 --> 01:27:38,295
Thank you.

1351
01:27:38,616 --> 01:27:41,649
The next-door neighbors had a 5-year-old,
couldn't get him to bed.

1352
01:27:42,147 --> 01:27:42,693
You name it.

1353
01:27:42,805 --> 01:27:45,440
I mean, it's just— it's a nightmare.

1354
01:27:45,440 --> 01:27:49,100
I'm lucky I don't have an Airbnb right
next to me.

1355
01:27:49,100 --> 01:27:54,809
But if I did, I'd be seeing you guys
probably pretty often. I have 38 seconds.

1356
01:27:55,322 --> 01:27:58,646
There was one other thing I wanted to say.

1357
01:27:58,646 --> 01:28:02,128
I do think there are very responsible
hosts.

1358
01:28:02,128 --> 01:28:07,035
I think we need to make everybody
accountable and responsible.

1359
01:28:07,035 --> 01:28:12,971
if we're going to continue to allow many
boutique hotels in our residential

1360
01:28:12,971 --> 01:28:19,540
neighborhoods. But we also don't know who
is occupying some of these Airbnbs near a

1361
01:28:19,540 --> 01:28:21,677
school or our own children.

1362
01:28:22,351 --> 01:28:26,264
My child, what, 14-year-old son, walks the
dog at 10 o'clock at night.

1363
01:28:26,745 --> 01:28:30,866
I am worried for his safety. So I'm done.
Thank you so much.

1364
01:28:30,866 --> 01:28:34,537
Thank you.

1365
01:28:37,537 --> 01:28:38,567
Richard Rodriguez.

1366
01:28:38,567 --> 01:28:44,376
Thank you, guys. I appreciate your
service. And as you can tell, I am not a

1367
01:28:44,376 --> 01:28:44,918
service. And as you can tell, I am not a
lawyer.

1368
01:28:44,918 --> 01:28:51,192
I apologize for my attire. I've been on
call all night. Thank you for coming out.

1369
01:28:51,192 --> 01:28:55,143
This is sort of the 3rd time I try to
address this,

1370
01:28:55,143 --> 01:29:01,107
and you're hearing a lot of things that
are reflected in, in my neighborhood.

1371
01:29:01,107 --> 01:29:05,289
I live in Carlton Estates. I'm 2280 Kings
Point Drive.

1372
01:29:05,289 --> 01:29:10,247
A lot of my neighbors are here, too. I've
been there since 1990.

1373
01:29:10,247 --> 01:29:15,126
The neighborhood was quiet. A lot of the
homes were waterfront.

1374
01:29:15,126 --> 01:29:19,851
The homes ranged from 5,000 square feet,
roughly, and higher.

1375
01:29:19,851 --> 01:29:24,034
So it's a higher-end, nice neighborhood.
Private road.

1376
01:29:24,034 --> 01:29:28,604
The central part of our neighborhood, it's
a big loop road.

1377
01:29:28,604 --> 01:29:34,800
50% of the homes And at least the last 4
homes who have sold in our neighborhood

1378
01:29:34,800 --> 01:29:35,033
homes who have sold in our neighborhood
are

1379
01:29:35,033 --> 01:29:39,912
all short-term rentals. Not one single one
of those is like Ms.

1380
01:29:39,912 --> 01:29:45,876
McMullen, where somebody lives nearby and
actually cares about the community.

1381
01:29:45,876 --> 01:29:50,369
They are all— when you look them up, it's
the address LLC.

1382
01:29:50,369 --> 01:29:53,932
2 of them are owned by a company out of
Miami.

1383
01:29:53,932 --> 01:29:58,657
Only one recently put a sign outside with
numbers to contact.

1384
01:29:58,657 --> 01:30:04,543
The first meeting, I gave all the
addresses, I gave photos. What's happened?

1385
01:30:04,543 --> 01:30:06,170
It's still happening.

1386
01:30:06,347 --> 01:30:09,198
You know, we've had weddings, we have the
bridal parties,

1387
01:30:09,198 --> 01:30:10,648
we have the bachelor parties.

1388
01:30:10,954 --> 01:30:14,936
We had strippers come in one time, and
that was spoken by somebody else.

1389
01:30:14,936 --> 01:30:17,479
You come in at night and there's cars
driving.

1390
01:30:17,479 --> 01:30:20,189
On the 4th of July, it was like a teen,
you know,

1391
01:30:20,189 --> 01:30:22,954
takeover of the whole neighborhood with
fireworks.

1392
01:30:22,954 --> 01:30:23,599
And that's not just the strip clubs.

1393
01:30:24,364 --> 01:30:29,063
Anyways, that put aside, there's 3 big
issues at least in our neighborhood.

1394
01:30:29,063 --> 01:30:32,132
That's the number of people. These are big
homes.

1395
01:30:32,132 --> 01:30:35,202
They all are still advertising 16 to 20
per home.

1396
01:30:35,202 --> 01:30:38,961
We have a home for sale right now that's
12,000 square feet.

1397
01:30:38,961 --> 01:30:41,843
That will definitely be a hotel if that
sells.

1398
01:30:41,843 --> 01:30:43,659
We have the trash afterwards,

1399
01:30:43,659 --> 01:30:47,293
and then the one that we're tired of
calling is the noise.

1400
01:30:47,293 --> 01:30:50,719
We don't want to be the grumpy old man
that is— I'm tired,

1401
01:30:50,719 --> 01:30:54,854
I don't want to come home and be calling
the police and bothering them

1402
01:30:54,854 --> 01:30:55,445
over this.

1403
01:30:56,552 --> 01:31:02,226
The one thing we can do is you need to
have teeth and you need to enforce.

1404
01:31:02,226 --> 01:31:08,590
If you can't change the number of people
and can't do these things, we can enforce.

1405
01:31:08,590 --> 01:31:14,647
We can figure out a way to do that because
they're still doing what they're not

1406
01:31:14,647 --> 01:31:19,784
supposed to do. They're not good stewards.
They're not individuals.

1407
01:31:19,784 --> 01:31:26,072
They're not, they're not people who care
about our community. They are businesses.

1408
01:31:26,072 --> 01:31:32,436
in a residential area. Okay, anything you
can do is appreciated. Thank you so much.

1409
01:31:32,436 --> 01:31:35,196
Jamie, do we have any further cards?

1410
01:31:35,196 --> 01:31:37,423
No. I'm so sorry, no more cards.

1411
01:31:37,423 --> 01:31:43,415
Is there anyone from the public who hasn't
spoken who wishes to speak? Come on up.

1412
01:31:43,415 --> 01:31:48,968
Just if you could fill out a card
afterwards with Jamie. Sorry to bring this

1413
01:31:48,968 --> 01:31:49,187
afterwards with Jamie. Sorry to bring this
on.

1414
01:31:49,187 --> 01:31:50,210
No, it's okay.

1415
01:31:50,210 --> 01:31:50,935
My name is Michael.

1416
01:31:50,935 --> 01:31:51,628
That's why we ask.

1417
01:31:51,628 --> 01:31:58,521
I live at 1927 Bella Road. I've witnessed
the infamous big party house there.

1418
01:31:58,521 --> 01:32:05,413
It's just not fun to sit in your house
with the TV turned very loud and still

1419
01:32:05,413 --> 01:32:07,203
hear just all night.

1420
01:32:07,203 --> 01:32:13,201
If you look up the police reports, I'm I'm
probably pretty popular.

1421
01:32:13,201 --> 01:32:18,661
We have had some good luck with, uh, the
officers coming out.

1422
01:32:19,030 --> 01:32:20,539
That's how we met one of our neighbors.

1423
01:32:20,539 --> 01:32:25,828
Uh, but the main thing I wanted to say is
I, I know it's not an easy world.

1424
01:32:25,828 --> 01:32:27,591
It's not black and white.

1425
01:32:27,591 --> 01:32:33,162
I unfortunately know just enough about law
to know that what you think is right

1426
01:32:33,162 --> 01:32:38,592
doesn't always count. I know your hands
are tied. We're just asking for help.

1427
01:32:38,592 --> 01:32:41,342
We've been in our house about 20 years.

1428
01:32:41,342 --> 01:32:45,925
As everybody said, it used to be a quiet,
beautiful neighborhood.

1429
01:32:45,925 --> 01:32:49,381
Noise comes across the water like it's
amplified.

1430
01:32:49,381 --> 01:32:53,048
So, you know, they just need to be made
aware of it.

1431
01:32:53,048 --> 01:32:56,080
And I get punished for anything I do
wrong.

1432
01:32:56,336 --> 01:32:57,957
You know, I learned that at an early age.

1433
01:32:58,839 --> 01:33:01,663
Unfortunately, we can't take a belt and go
next door and handle it.

1434
01:33:01,663 --> 01:33:02,786
Mm-hmm.

1435
01:33:03,813 --> 01:33:09,990
One thing I did hear that just really kind
of blew my mind is that we're not allowed

1436
01:33:09,990 --> 01:33:13,447
to institute something that affects
short-term.

1437
01:33:13,447 --> 01:33:18,374
This is a business that is operating in a
residential neighborhood.

1438
01:33:18,374 --> 01:33:22,345
We, we pay for warehouse space for my
wife's business.

1439
01:33:22,345 --> 01:33:28,007
Does that mean I can start stacking
equipment in my yard and no one would say

1440
01:33:28,007 --> 01:33:28,669
anything?

1441
01:33:28,669 --> 01:33:31,887
That wouldn't fly, and I wouldn't want to
do it to my neighbors.

1442
01:33:34,298 --> 01:33:40,445
It's just again, we're being held to a
standard where we can't offend what in

1443
01:33:40,445 --> 01:33:45,474
reality is a business, and I just I find
that very frustrating.

1444
01:33:45,474 --> 01:33:49,545
Again, it is what it is, but we're asking
for help.

1445
01:33:49,545 --> 01:33:54,894
I would move tomorrow if I were able to. I
am that. fed up with it.

1446
01:33:54,894 --> 01:33:59,204
And I should be living the dream. I retire
in a month.

1447
01:33:59,204 --> 01:34:05,511
Apparently, it's not going to be what I
pictured. So thank you, everyone. Thank

1448
01:34:05,511 --> 01:34:05,830
pictured. So thank you, everyone. Thank
you.

1449
01:34:05,830 --> 01:34:12,305
Thank you. I just want to say hopefully we
can come up with a solution to make you

1450
01:34:12,305 --> 01:34:18,384
want to stay here in Largo. Anyone else
from the public that wishes to speak?

1451
01:34:18,384 --> 01:34:24,464
Seeing none, I will go ahead and close the
public hearing portion for further

1452
01:34:24,464 --> 01:34:26,359
discussion by the board.

1453
01:34:26,359 --> 01:34:32,412
Um, can I just— I, I just wanted to
clarify, we are the planning board,

1454
01:34:32,412 --> 01:34:36,333
so our duty is to, um, vote on this
ordinance.

1455
01:34:36,333 --> 01:34:41,704
Um, the code enforcement board is
completely different than us,

1456
01:34:41,704 --> 01:34:47,672
so I just wanted to make sure everybody
was aware of that. And thanks.

1457
01:34:47,672 --> 01:34:48,374
I apologize.

1458
01:34:48,586 --> 01:34:49,597
Do they meet like you guys?

1459
01:34:49,597 --> 01:34:53,019
Yes. So, um, and, um, some questions.

1460
01:34:53,019 --> 01:34:58,476
I'm just— do you mind if I jump in with
some questions real

1461
01:34:58,476 --> 01:35:03,747
quick, y'all? Um, from what I heard in the
audience is we

1462
01:35:03,747 --> 01:35:06,152
have an enforcement issue.

1463
01:35:06,152 --> 01:35:06,652
Yep.

1464
01:35:06,652 --> 01:35:10,969
I, I didn't hear that we have a policy
issue and

1465
01:35:10,969 --> 01:35:14,567
we're being presented a policy solution.

1466
01:35:14,567 --> 01:35:15,736
So— go ahead.

1467
01:35:15,736 --> 01:35:19,092
Chair Fosdini, I'll be happy to address
that.

1468
01:35:19,092 --> 01:35:23,046
We recognize that it is an enforcement
issue as well.

1469
01:35:23,046 --> 01:35:25,581
We wish we had more code officers.

1470
01:35:25,581 --> 01:35:31,026
I will tell you that proposed in the
fiscal year 2027 budget that will be

1471
01:35:31,026 --> 01:35:31,772
fiscal year 2027 budget that will be
considered

1472
01:35:31,772 --> 01:35:36,919
by the City Commission at 2 public
hearings in September are 2 of the

1473
01:35:36,919 --> 01:35:37,963
hearings in September are 2 of the
positions that

1474
01:35:37,963 --> 01:35:40,424
Mr. Bergeron recommended earlier.

1475
01:35:40,424 --> 01:35:46,391
An additional code enforcement officer, as
well as an additional fire inspector.

1476
01:35:46,391 --> 01:35:48,181
There is a 3rd position,

1477
01:35:48,181 --> 01:35:53,999
which is a board support specialist that
will provide customer service to both

1478
01:35:53,999 --> 01:35:54,372
will provide customer service to both
those

1479
01:35:54,372 --> 01:36:00,414
individuals that are calling to let us
know that we have a problematic short-term

1480
01:36:00,414 --> 01:36:06,604
vacation rental, as well as to ensure that
our hosts are following our regulations.

1481
01:36:06,604 --> 01:36:11,900
if new additional regulations,
particularly the registration component,

1482
01:36:11,900 --> 01:36:14,511
is approved by the City Commission.

1483
01:36:14,511 --> 01:36:20,105
And obviously, we do think that that
portion will be based on the direction

1484
01:36:20,105 --> 01:36:20,701
portion will be based on the direction
that the

1485
01:36:20,701 --> 01:36:25,922
City Commission has already given staff.
So those are 3 new positions.

1486
01:36:25,922 --> 01:36:30,174
And yes, once the registration program is
up and running,

1487
01:36:30,174 --> 01:36:32,710
if there are sufficient resources,

1488
01:36:32,710 --> 01:36:38,453
we will be happy to request that city
administration give us the authority to

1489
01:36:38,453 --> 01:36:38,901
administration give us the authority to
add an

1490
01:36:38,901 --> 01:36:45,091
additional code officer if needed, or an
additional— I really can't speak for fire,

1491
01:36:45,091 --> 01:36:50,462
but I would assume that if there are
sufficient revenues coming from the

1492
01:36:50,462 --> 01:36:52,028
registration program,

1493
01:36:52,028 --> 01:36:56,876
that they may also make a similar request
of city administration.

1494
01:36:56,876 --> 01:37:01,702
And I'm going to take a little time here
because I know we are not the Code

1495
01:37:01,702 --> 01:37:06,207
Enforcement Board, but this isn't going to
the Code Enforcement Board.

1496
01:37:06,207 --> 01:37:11,033
So I want to try to ask some of the
questions that I think code enforcement

1497
01:37:11,033 --> 01:37:11,355
questions that I think code enforcement
board

1498
01:37:11,355 --> 01:37:16,439
members would ask. Um, and one of them is,
I think the new positions are great.

1499
01:37:16,439 --> 01:37:19,721
Are we looking at second shift for those
employees?

1500
01:37:19,721 --> 01:37:24,097
Because I don't see it being any more
effective if it's just 8 to 5.

1501
01:37:24,097 --> 01:37:28,336
Yeah, that is something that we can
evaluate, as Mr. Bergeron indicated.

1502
01:37:28,336 --> 01:37:34,858
Okay. And then the other thing for me was
I I've watched code board meetings before,

1503
01:37:34,858 --> 01:37:40,604
and the general posture of the city has
always been to cure and remediate,

1504
01:37:40,604 --> 01:37:45,340
to give residents time to cure a
deficiency and remediate it.

1505
01:37:45,340 --> 01:37:48,679
Is that what we do with short-term
rentals?

1506
01:37:48,679 --> 01:37:54,162
Yes. They basically have to follow the
procedures and guidelines set within

1507
01:37:54,162 --> 01:37:54,674
procedures and guidelines set within
Florida

1508
01:37:54,674 --> 01:38:00,085
Statute 162, which sets up the policies
and procedures for the code board.

1509
01:38:00,085 --> 01:38:05,495
They are pretty much held to levying
administrative fines is basically the

1510
01:38:05,495 --> 01:38:05,934
administrative fines is basically the
extent

1511
01:38:05,934 --> 01:38:08,127
they can go at the code board.

1512
01:38:08,127 --> 01:38:11,393
Okay. But we could, through legislation,

1513
01:38:11,393 --> 01:38:16,781
change that so that it's an irreparable
fine instead of giving the

1514
01:38:16,781 --> 01:38:19,557
person time to cure the violation,

1515
01:38:19,557 --> 01:38:24,946
which in many cases with a short-term
rental, you cannot cure the—

1516
01:38:24,946 --> 01:38:29,486
Correct. That is a determination the code
board can make during the hearing.

1517
01:38:29,486 --> 01:38:33,124
Okay. So they currently have that power
right now?

1518
01:38:33,124 --> 01:38:33,949
Correct.

1519
01:38:33,949 --> 01:38:37,812
How often are they using it?

1520
01:38:37,812 --> 01:38:42,503
So I have a whole other hearing to

1521
01:38:42,503 --> 01:38:42,917
go.

1522
01:38:42,917 --> 01:38:47,611
Pretty much all of our short-term rental
cases deal with not having the proper

1523
01:38:47,611 --> 01:38:51,583
registration not having the proper
permits, things of that nature.

1524
01:38:51,583 --> 01:38:56,157
So those are things that they usually give
them, like many other code cases,

1525
01:38:56,157 --> 01:39:00,912
a deadline. If they're not compliant, the
fines begin accruing on the property.

1526
01:39:00,912 --> 01:39:02,710
Can they be shut down? Right.

1527
01:39:02,791 --> 01:39:03,593
Can they be shut down?

1528
01:39:03,593 --> 01:39:06,130
We do not have the authority to shut them
down.

1529
01:39:06,130 --> 01:39:09,206
We do have the authority to seek
foreclosure potentially.

1530
01:39:09,206 --> 01:39:12,552
That has to be approved by city
administration. That can't be—

1531
01:39:12,552 --> 01:39:13,741
How long would something like that take?

1532
01:39:13,741 --> 01:39:16,860
The fines have to be accruing for at
minimum 90 days.

1533
01:39:19,860 --> 01:39:23,694
Okay. And normally they would have a
30-day period to cure,

1534
01:39:23,694 --> 01:39:28,048
which could be extended by the Code
Enforcement Board, technically.

1535
01:39:28,048 --> 01:39:29,413
Am I correct on that?

1536
01:39:29,413 --> 01:39:30,876
Yes, it's a case-by-case basis.

1537
01:39:30,876 --> 01:39:34,227
You know, certain— you know, if a
respondent comes in and requests more

1538
01:39:34,227 --> 01:39:34,463
respondent comes in and requests more
time,

1539
01:39:34,463 --> 01:39:38,003
they'll take that into consideration when
giving their compliance deadline.

1540
01:39:38,003 --> 01:39:43,470
Okay. Have we looked at specifically not
doing a cure on this, just going— I,

1541
01:39:43,470 --> 01:39:47,376
I know that you're saying the code board
has the power.

1542
01:39:47,376 --> 01:39:51,778
I'm saying that's the only option they
have is an irreparable—

1543
01:39:51,778 --> 01:39:56,251
let's say we pass this ordinance and a
person isn't registered.

1544
01:39:56,251 --> 01:40:01,861
That is an immediate irreparable violation
of our code for not meeting the life

1545
01:40:01,861 --> 01:40:06,902
safety standards that that registration
requires. Why can't we do that?

1546
01:40:06,902 --> 01:40:10,152
That would probably be a discussion with
the city attorney.

1547
01:40:10,152 --> 01:40:12,576
In instances with irreparable,
irreversible,

1548
01:40:12,576 --> 01:40:15,496
it usually has to be something that they
cannot cure.

1549
01:40:15,496 --> 01:40:19,737
So if we're saying, oh, you don't have a
permit, you can cure that violation.

1550
01:40:19,737 --> 01:40:21,500
Whereas if you had a loud party,

1551
01:40:21,500 --> 01:40:25,742
obviously that's already disturbed the
neighborhood. You can't take that time

1552
01:40:25,742 --> 01:40:26,017
neighborhood. You can't take that time
back.

1553
01:40:26,017 --> 01:40:29,708
So that is something potentially that
could be seen as irreparable.

1554
01:40:29,708 --> 01:40:33,343
Yes. So, but if they don't have the
registration,

1555
01:40:33,343 --> 01:40:37,868
then they haven't followed any of our life
safety procedures.

1556
01:40:37,868 --> 01:40:40,910
So isn't it— I mean, that is irreparable.

1557
01:40:40,910 --> 01:40:42,678
No, because they can still seek that.

1558
01:40:42,678 --> 01:40:45,116
Like, if we cited them for not having
registration,

1559
01:40:45,116 --> 01:40:49,083
they can still obtain that registration by
doing the correct inspections and things

1560
01:40:49,083 --> 01:40:51,520
like that. I want to say this for a
specific event.

1561
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:56,556
So I know it's easy to— so when we're
talking about a specific event in this

1562
01:40:56,556 --> 01:40:56,888
talking about a specific event in this
case,

1563
01:40:56,888 --> 01:41:01,262
so we do case by case, they're going to
have time to remediate it.

1564
01:41:01,262 --> 01:41:06,563
They're going to still make their rental
money. This is the struggle I have with

1565
01:41:06,563 --> 01:41:06,762
money. This is the struggle I have with
it.

1566
01:41:06,762 --> 01:41:09,611
If they're renting a unit for $500 a
night,

1567
01:41:09,611 --> 01:41:14,780
and our code gives them 30 days to fix it,
and then they fix the registration,

1568
01:41:14,780 --> 01:41:17,564
there's no penalty. There's no punishment.

1569
01:41:17,564 --> 01:41:22,070
And I believe that's why we have a room
full of people here tonight.

1570
01:41:22,070 --> 01:41:24,054
Excuse me, Chair, if I can.

1571
01:41:24,054 --> 01:41:27,875
I do believe your rules of decorum don't
allow that,

1572
01:41:27,875 --> 01:41:33,753
so we have to be mindful that we don't
allow clapping whether we're appreciative

1573
01:41:33,753 --> 01:41:33,900
allow clapping whether we're appreciative
of

1574
01:41:33,900 --> 01:41:37,133
it or not. So we have to be mindful of
that.

1575
01:41:37,133 --> 01:41:38,143
Please, sir.

1576
01:41:38,143 --> 01:41:42,420
And to speak to what he's referencing, the
irreparable is correct.

1577
01:41:42,420 --> 01:41:43,910
So failure to register,

1578
01:41:43,910 --> 01:41:47,927
that's not something that would be
categorized as irreparable.

1579
01:41:47,927 --> 01:41:50,778
We have to be mindful of due process
rights,

1580
01:41:50,778 --> 01:41:53,824
and so how these are enforced needs to be
fair.

1581
01:41:53,824 --> 01:41:58,748
So we wouldn't necessarily apply that to
somebody else for failure for a BTR

1582
01:41:58,748 --> 01:41:59,202
somebody else for failure for a BTR
license

1583
01:41:59,202 --> 01:42:02,571
or something like that. So we can't single
out this.

1584
01:42:02,571 --> 01:42:07,431
However, and this is why we have this
companion ordinance for the nuisance,

1585
01:42:07,431 --> 01:42:08,792
the chronic nuisance,

1586
01:42:08,792 --> 01:42:14,040
there are certain nuisances that are so
egregious and have such a negative impact

1587
01:42:14,040 --> 01:42:17,669
that there is potential for greater
enforcement efforts.

1588
01:42:17,669 --> 01:42:21,945
If there was something that was extremely
egregious safety issues,

1589
01:42:21,945 --> 01:42:24,602
there we do have options for injunctions.

1590
01:42:24,602 --> 01:42:28,490
The Florida statutes have laid out
primarily what those are,

1591
01:42:28,490 --> 01:42:30,758
and that's in the chronic nuisance.

1592
01:42:30,758 --> 01:42:33,414
That's not in your land development code,

1593
01:42:33,414 --> 01:42:38,533
because typically your land development
code isn't going to have those types of

1594
01:42:38,533 --> 01:42:40,088
activities. But it does—

1595
01:42:40,088 --> 01:42:44,819
what we're trying to do is have a
multifaceted approach to this so we can

1596
01:42:44,819 --> 01:42:45,467
multifaceted approach to this so we can
address it

1597
01:42:45,467 --> 01:42:50,132
with these administrative angle for
violations, and then for some of the

1598
01:42:50,132 --> 01:42:50,780
violations, and then for some of the
egregious,

1599
01:42:50,780 --> 01:42:56,158
because we understand not every violation
is going to rise to the level where we're

1600
01:42:56,158 --> 01:42:59,657
seeking ...taking injunctions or wanting
to foreclose.

1601
01:42:59,657 --> 01:43:04,257
And some of these businesses are going to
want to come into compliance,

1602
01:43:04,257 --> 01:43:07,044
because it will become so
cost-prohibitive,

1603
01:43:07,044 --> 01:43:09,960
it won't make sense for a business
operation.

1604
01:43:09,960 --> 01:43:11,839
And so that's the intent, to—

1605
01:43:11,839 --> 01:43:15,467
as uncomfortable as you're making it for
everybody else,

1606
01:43:15,467 --> 01:43:18,901
we'll do that until you sort of come into
compliance,

1607
01:43:18,901 --> 01:43:24,150
and at least you're mitigating some of
those negative impacts for your neighbors.

1608
01:43:24,150 --> 01:43:24,840
Can I follow up?

1609
01:43:24,840 --> 01:43:29,517
So we do have other avenues that
potentially can be pursued for more

1610
01:43:29,517 --> 01:43:30,205
potentially can be pursued for more
aggressive

1611
01:43:30,205 --> 01:43:34,882
enforcement. Things like failure to
register, it still allows us to.

1612
01:43:34,882 --> 01:43:39,009
The inspections to ensure compliance,
those are life safety.

1613
01:43:39,009 --> 01:43:44,512
Now, if, you know, the fire inspector goes
in there and there are egregious life

1614
01:43:44,512 --> 01:43:47,263
safety issues, that's a different issue.

1615
01:43:47,263 --> 01:43:50,702
But just failure to register, you could
cure that.

1616
01:43:50,702 --> 01:43:55,586
You still have a violation, but you can
potentially cure it. Thank you.

1617
01:43:58,047 --> 01:44:01,668
Okay. Oh, uh, Miss Robshaw, do you have
more? Can I ask a question?

1618
01:44:01,668 --> 01:44:04,587
Um, how— these are not individuals buying
these homes,

1619
01:44:04,587 --> 01:44:06,317
they're LLCs buying these homes.

1620
01:44:06,317 --> 01:44:09,614
Can they not be treated as a business and
not as a homeowner?

1621
01:44:09,614 --> 01:44:15,017
There's a lot of LLCs and trusts that own
property.

1622
01:44:15,017 --> 01:44:19,785
Okay, you can— you can own it and live in
it.

1623
01:44:19,785 --> 01:44:22,645
Um, so it's That's allowed.

1624
01:44:22,645 --> 01:44:24,938
No, what I've heard loud and clear is
these are businesses.

1625
01:44:25,035 --> 01:44:28,837
That's what I've heard loud and clear. No,
we understand.

1626
01:44:28,837 --> 01:44:33,639
And that issue has been raised. And
somebody came and asked me about it.

1627
01:44:33,639 --> 01:44:35,706
And I think it was around 2013.

1628
01:44:35,706 --> 01:44:39,508
Some jurisdictions were trying to really
push that issue,

1629
01:44:39,508 --> 01:44:43,643
that these are commercial operations,
they're not residential.

1630
01:44:43,643 --> 01:44:48,645
And the legislature said, no, no, no,
that's not how we're allowed to treat

1631
01:44:48,645 --> 01:44:48,978
that's not how we're allowed to treat
them.

1632
01:44:48,978 --> 01:44:51,246
So whether it's a business or not.

1633
01:44:51,246 --> 01:44:56,781
So I Just to quickly touch on this other
issue, speak to your state representative.

1634
01:44:56,781 --> 01:44:58,782
This is where this comes from.

1635
01:44:58,782 --> 01:45:02,850
I am a member of the Florida Association
of County Attorneys,

1636
01:45:02,850 --> 01:45:08,186
also with the Florida League of Cities.
I'm involved in both. We all are, all of

1637
01:45:08,186 --> 01:45:08,386
I'm involved in both. We all are, all of
us.

1638
01:45:08,386 --> 01:45:09,787
Every year they push,

1639
01:45:09,787 --> 01:45:14,322
every year there's legislation out there
to minimize the preemption,

1640
01:45:14,322 --> 01:45:16,123
to overcome the preemption.

1641
01:45:16,123 --> 01:45:21,191
It is always one of the items on the
legislative agenda, and it never moves.

1642
01:45:21,191 --> 01:45:24,526
And that is your state representatives.
Thank you.

1643
01:45:24,526 --> 01:45:26,586
I have a legal question.

1644
01:45:26,586 --> 01:45:32,939
Is there any ability to create an
ordinance for owner-occupied Airbnbs and

1645
01:45:32,939 --> 01:45:37,661
ones that are not owner-occupied? Can we
separate them?

1646
01:45:37,661 --> 01:45:41,740
That was looked at. There are some
additional challenges with that,

1647
01:45:41,740 --> 01:45:45,394
but that is something I think there's some
issues with that.

1648
01:45:45,394 --> 01:45:49,412
There's definitely some challenges right
now with Senate Bill 180.

1649
01:45:49,412 --> 01:45:53,918
It's something we would look at. But
again, we're— we are going to look at

1650
01:45:53,918 --> 01:45:54,222
again, we're— we are going to look at
this.

1651
01:45:54,222 --> 01:45:57,815
We're going to look at other options if it
isn't effective.

1652
01:45:57,815 --> 01:46:02,442
And then we're also going to try to
implement those that are most effective.

1653
01:46:02,442 --> 01:46:07,130
And then if we still are continuing to
have an issue and we want to take some

1654
01:46:07,130 --> 01:46:09,505
greater legal risk, then we'll do that.

1655
01:46:09,505 --> 01:46:14,193
But at least we'll have other things in
the books that help us kind of manage

1656
01:46:14,193 --> 01:46:14,498
the books that help us kind of manage
maybe

1657
01:46:14,498 --> 01:46:18,942
the majority of the bad behavior we can
manage, and then some of the more

1658
01:46:18,942 --> 01:46:19,551
manage, and then some of the more
egregious,

1659
01:46:19,551 --> 01:46:24,301
we'll look at other avenues for how to do
that, rather than come on, you know,

1660
01:46:24,301 --> 01:46:28,989
initially with a really aggressive
ordinance that gets challenged and then we

1661
01:46:28,989 --> 01:46:29,293
ordinance that gets challenged and then we
can't

1662
01:46:29,293 --> 01:46:31,729
do anything while it's being challenged.

1663
01:46:31,729 --> 01:46:36,539
We thought this approach would allow us to
at least address it for most people,

1664
01:46:36,539 --> 01:46:38,061
and then the other cases,

1665
01:46:38,061 --> 01:46:42,384
we will continue to move forward on
different avenues to address those.

1666
01:46:42,384 --> 01:46:46,332
Okay. I have some questions. Anyone else
have questions for Ms. Allen?

1667
01:46:46,332 --> 01:46:47,492
No, I'm good.

1668
01:46:47,492 --> 01:46:50,578
I have a question for Chase and Cheryl.

1669
01:46:50,578 --> 01:46:56,987
Are we seeking some remedy to the property
that's discussed today about not being

1670
01:46:56,987 --> 01:46:59,440
registered? We are? Okay. Okay.

1671
01:46:59,440 --> 01:47:05,929
I know you probably can't say too much,
but I just want to know that's being Okay,

1672
01:47:05,929 --> 01:47:06,720
thank you.

1673
01:47:06,720 --> 01:47:09,977
Yeah, I can say that they've been before
the code board.

1674
01:47:09,977 --> 01:47:13,293
They have running fines, so they have
already been cited.

1675
01:47:13,293 --> 01:47:16,247
And I don't know if— I have another
question.

1676
01:47:16,247 --> 01:47:18,478
I don't know if it's legal or not.

1677
01:47:18,478 --> 01:47:21,629
Um, is there a cap on fines that can be
charged?

1678
01:47:21,629 --> 01:47:25,400
Yes, it's for first-time violators, it's
$250 per day.

1679
01:47:25,400 --> 01:47:27,425
If you are a repeat violator,

1680
01:47:27,425 --> 01:47:29,869
it's actually up to $5,000 per day.

1681
01:47:29,869 --> 01:47:31,151
That's a state law?

1682
01:47:31,697 --> 01:47:34,378
Yes, that's through Statute 162.

1683
01:47:34,378 --> 01:47:34,940
Thank you.

1684
01:47:35,470 --> 01:47:38,986
Then they have like 30 days and 90 days to
payment before we would foreclose.

1685
01:47:39,644 --> 01:47:41,137
How quickly can we act if they don't pay?

1686
01:47:41,137 --> 01:47:45,527
So, like I said, depending on if it gets
to the point where those fines run,

1687
01:47:45,527 --> 01:47:49,050
we have a process where I review the case,
review it with Ms.

1688
01:47:49,050 --> 01:47:51,707
Reed, then we review it with the city
manager.

1689
01:47:51,707 --> 01:47:55,924
If they sign off, we have a third-party
attorney who reviews those cases.

1690
01:47:56,518 --> 01:48:03,570
If everything is good, they Do those fines
get compounded if something new develops?

1691
01:48:03,570 --> 01:48:04,970
Does that get added to the pile?

1692
01:48:04,970 --> 01:48:06,775
If it's a new violation, correct.

1693
01:48:06,775 --> 01:48:10,931
They can't be found in violation of
something there's already fines accruing

1694
01:48:10,931 --> 01:48:11,150
something there's already fines accruing
for.

1695
01:48:11,150 --> 01:48:14,750
So they can have a bigger pile of fines
for different things?

1696
01:48:14,750 --> 01:48:16,190
Potentially, if it's a different
violation.

1697
01:48:16,190 --> 01:48:18,150
Does that impact what we do and how we
handle it?

1698
01:48:18,150 --> 01:48:21,246
Not necessarily, no, because, like I said,

1699
01:48:21,246 --> 01:48:25,890
it's more the duration of the fine than
the amount of the fine.

1700
01:48:25,890 --> 01:48:27,610
I think seriousness of the fine should be
something to consider.

1701
01:48:27,910 --> 01:48:32,388
consider the seriousness of the violation.
Sir, I know you're raising your hand.

1702
01:48:32,388 --> 01:48:35,411
Unfortunately, the public hearing portion
has stopped,

1703
01:48:35,411 --> 01:48:38,937
so we're just going to be discussing back
and forth with staff.

1704
01:48:38,937 --> 01:48:43,191
I did want to recognize I saw your hand
back there, and we'll be here after,

1705
01:48:43,191 --> 01:48:45,430
some of us, to answer questions as well.

1706
01:48:45,430 --> 01:48:48,048
I have some more.

1707
01:48:48,048 --> 01:48:48,636
Go ahead.

1708
01:48:48,636 --> 01:48:52,546
Sorry. And I'm not sure who would answer
this.

1709
01:48:52,546 --> 01:48:59,346
If an apartment— if somebody who lives in
an apartment or an apartment building,

1710
01:48:59,346 --> 01:49:05,552
if they fail a fire inspection, aren't
people not supposed to live there?

1711
01:49:05,552 --> 01:49:10,567
Isn't that something that happens? It's
red-tagged somehow?

1712
01:49:10,567 --> 01:49:12,793
That would be a question for the fire
department.

1713
01:49:12,793 --> 01:49:14,929
Unfortunately, that's not my area of
expertise.

1714
01:49:14,929 --> 01:49:16,212
Ms. Allen?

1715
01:49:16,212 --> 01:49:21,539
Yes, unfortunately, our fire staff were
not able to be here this evening,

1716
01:49:21,539 --> 01:49:24,677
but they will be at future public
hearings,

1717
01:49:24,677 --> 01:49:27,815
both the commission work session in
August,

1718
01:49:27,815 --> 01:49:32,996
as well as at the first and second reading
in September and in October.

1719
01:49:32,996 --> 01:49:36,389
So if, if, if that were the case,

1720
01:49:36,389 --> 01:49:43,279
it seems like these are not being shut
down if they're in violation

1721
01:49:43,279 --> 01:49:49,963
of a fire code, and they're still allowed
to continue to operate.

1722
01:49:49,963 --> 01:49:55,619
As if they're a single-family home versus
an apartment,

1723
01:49:55,619 --> 01:49:59,938
but it's a rental. So how can we fix that?

1724
01:49:59,938 --> 01:50:03,897
The fire code is— the fire code governs
those violations,

1725
01:50:03,897 --> 01:50:08,480
so they would dictate whether they're able
to be shut down or not.

1726
01:50:08,480 --> 01:50:12,578
That's something that's really outside of
our jurisdiction.

1727
01:50:12,578 --> 01:50:14,523
Same with the building code.

1728
01:50:14,523 --> 01:50:20,079
So there's not all violations are going to
rise to that level where it gets shut

1729
01:50:20,079 --> 01:50:20,426
down.

1730
01:50:20,426 --> 01:50:24,965
Okay. And then let me see what else I had.

1731
01:50:24,965 --> 01:50:32,746
Oh, and the last question I have, and I'm
not sure who answers this one.

1732
01:50:32,746 --> 01:50:35,232
Can— is it possible to—

1733
01:50:35,232 --> 01:50:43,013
the resident who had the situation where
she shares the road and it's an

1734
01:50:43,013 --> 01:50:50,470
easement, Is there a way to make it so if
you live in a property that

1735
01:50:50,470 --> 01:50:57,170
doesn't have direct access to Bel Air Road
or whatever street,

1736
01:50:57,170 --> 01:51:01,061
that it cannot be used as an Airbnb?

1737
01:51:01,061 --> 01:51:06,356
Is there a possibility to do something
like that?

1738
01:51:06,356 --> 01:51:08,208
That's a private property issue.

1739
01:51:08,208 --> 01:51:11,796
That's something that that she could have
an attorney look at,

1740
01:51:11,796 --> 01:51:15,848
because I'm going to guess they probably
have a cross-access easement.

1741
01:51:15,848 --> 01:51:18,857
So they can look at that, whether there's
covenants.

1742
01:51:18,857 --> 01:51:23,430
Same thing if you're in a community and
there's restrictive covenants about it.

1743
01:51:23,430 --> 01:51:27,886
As other property owners in there, you
would have standing to challenge them.

1744
01:51:27,886 --> 01:51:31,011
The city would not necessarily, but
individuals would.

1745
01:51:31,011 --> 01:51:35,699
So, you know, there are some associations
that have gone after short-term rentals

1746
01:51:35,699 --> 01:51:40,272
because of covenants, and they've been
successful, but that's a private matter.

1747
01:51:40,272 --> 01:51:41,545
So they would have to—

1748
01:51:41,545 --> 01:51:45,828
they could retain counsel and look at it
and do it and handle it that way.

1749
01:51:45,828 --> 01:51:48,606
It's just not something we can legally
opine on.

1750
01:51:48,606 --> 01:51:54,686
Got it. And I just think it may be
beneficial. I don't know.

1751
01:51:54,686 --> 01:51:59,144
I'm not a fan of HOAs, but if— I
understand.

1752
01:51:59,144 --> 01:52:05,224
But your easement has— could be But
there's no HOA attached.

1753
01:52:05,224 --> 01:52:09,480
Understood. I'm not— that wasn't my point.

1754
01:52:09,480 --> 01:52:13,183
For the people that are watching, just
calling from the audience,

1755
01:52:13,183 --> 01:52:17,115
just referencing that that example is not
an HOA. We understand that.

1756
01:52:17,115 --> 01:52:19,280
It's— I'm not giving an opinion on it.

1757
01:52:19,280 --> 01:52:22,585
It's potentially— that could— if there was
a cross-access,

1758
01:52:22,585 --> 01:52:27,200
they could have somebody look at whether
it's changed dramatically and how it was

1759
01:52:27,200 --> 01:52:31,359
originally intended. But that is not
something we can give an opinion on.

1760
01:52:31,359 --> 01:52:36,023
Got it. And I was just going to say that
would If people live in a

1761
01:52:36,023 --> 01:52:38,709
neighborhood that doesn't have an HOA,

1762
01:52:38,709 --> 01:52:42,030
would it be beneficial for them to form an
HOA?

1763
01:52:42,030 --> 01:52:46,051
I can't opine on that.

1764
01:52:46,051 --> 01:52:46,444
Okay.

1765
01:52:46,444 --> 01:52:50,729
They can look at their covenants and
consult, you know, an attorney.

1766
01:52:50,729 --> 01:52:54,131
There are some attorneys that specialize
in, you know,

1767
01:52:54,131 --> 01:52:57,345
private real estate matters and HOAs and
covenants.

1768
01:52:57,345 --> 01:52:59,739
And so they can have somebody look at—

1769
01:52:59,739 --> 01:53:03,331
Well, they wouldn't have covenants if
there's no HOA.

1770
01:53:03,331 --> 01:53:05,568
So what I'm asking is, is if you—

1771
01:53:05,568 --> 01:53:07,979
sometimes there's restrictive covenants
recorded on property.

1772
01:53:07,979 --> 01:53:09,165
You don't have to have an HOA.

1773
01:53:09,165 --> 01:53:12,184
Okay, got it. Thank you. That's it.

1774
01:53:12,264 --> 01:53:15,138
I'm going to take one minute before—

1775
01:53:15,138 --> 01:53:19,369
I see some people are starting to get
ready to leave.

1776
01:53:19,369 --> 01:53:25,515
I normally don't do this, but I saw this
as a request on the, the memorandum,

1777
01:53:25,515 --> 01:53:28,628
so I'm going to ask by a show of hands,

1778
01:53:28,628 --> 01:53:32,939
how many people would want us to delay a
vote on Okay.

1779
01:53:32,939 --> 01:53:38,846
So you would want us to delay a vote on
this to get different language and

1780
01:53:38,846 --> 01:53:44,514
stronger wording? Okay. Thank you. Thank
you so much for that feedback.

1781
01:53:44,514 --> 01:53:49,044
Thank you. I'm going to defer to your
board attorney,

1782
01:53:49,044 --> 01:53:54,601
but it probably spells out where your
authority is in terms terms

1783
01:53:54,601 --> 01:53:55,712
of reviewing?

1784
01:53:55,712 --> 01:53:59,767
I, I would say the board can vote to
continue this if they have a reason to

1785
01:53:59,767 --> 01:54:00,199
continue this if they have a reason to
continue

1786
01:54:00,199 --> 01:54:04,525
this. They can also recommend approval
with conditions if it has specific things

1787
01:54:04,525 --> 01:54:04,633
with conditions if it has specific things
it

1788
01:54:04,633 --> 01:54:07,174
wants. Yes, to be considered for the
ordinance.

1789
01:54:07,174 --> 01:54:09,324
That's what I was thinking.

1790
01:54:09,324 --> 01:54:12,748
Um, it was a question I had left for
staff.

1791
01:54:12,748 --> 01:54:15,217
I have one question for Cheryl.

1792
01:54:15,634 --> 01:54:19,302
You mentioned that fire couldn't be with
us tonight.

1793
01:54:19,302 --> 01:54:25,017
Uh, would they be willing to come if we
were to continue this in a future meeting

1794
01:54:25,017 --> 01:54:26,851
to address some questions?

1795
01:54:26,851 --> 01:54:29,133
Yes, I think they potentially would be
able to do that.

1796
01:54:29,133 --> 01:54:29,631
Okay.

1797
01:54:29,631 --> 01:54:32,234
Okay, um, I have some questions.

1798
01:54:32,234 --> 01:54:36,870
How closely have we been talking to the
county since they

1799
01:54:36,870 --> 01:54:39,635
implemented their program in 2025?

1800
01:54:39,635 --> 01:54:42,230
I've had a couple discussions with some of
their staff.

1801
01:54:42,230 --> 01:54:46,735
Okay, because they use the same Tyler
technology software as us, correct?

1802
01:54:46,735 --> 01:54:49,469
I believe they actually use Accela.

1803
01:54:49,469 --> 01:54:55,171
They do use use one of the programs we are
potentially looking at for the

1804
01:54:55,171 --> 01:54:58,998
short-term rental registration and
documentation.

1805
01:54:58,998 --> 01:55:04,333
Okay. And Chair Fostini, when I answered
the question about staffing,

1806
01:55:04,333 --> 01:55:10,286
I did neglect to mention that also
included in the proposed budget is funding

1807
01:55:10,286 --> 01:55:10,441
included in the proposed budget is funding
to

1808
01:55:10,441 --> 01:55:16,162
purchase the software that would have
multiple features that would make it

1809
01:55:16,162 --> 01:55:16,626
multiple features that would make it
easier

1810
01:55:16,626 --> 01:55:19,487
for the city to manage registrations.

1811
01:55:19,487 --> 01:55:25,672
And then also potentially we are looking
at software platforms that would have a

1812
01:55:25,672 --> 01:55:27,682
24-hour Have we looked at—

1813
01:55:28,373 --> 01:55:31,685
and I, I just know we're in a tight budget
situation,

1814
01:55:31,685 --> 01:55:34,373
so I don't know if this is possible or
not—

1815
01:55:34,373 --> 01:55:38,935
but have we looked at an interlocal
agreement where we could partner with

1816
01:55:38,935 --> 01:55:39,435
agreement where we could partner with
Pinellas

1817
01:55:39,435 --> 01:55:43,185
County and just pay a license fee and use
the same software?

1818
01:55:43,185 --> 01:55:46,487
We are. That is one of the softwares that
we are evaluating.

1819
01:55:46,487 --> 01:55:49,459
So yes, that could be something that we
could explore.

1820
01:55:51,138 --> 01:55:55,716
Okay. Because I could see dramatic cost
savings in that,

1821
01:55:55,716 --> 01:56:02,011
and it would help the county too in
reducing their administrative costs if we

1822
01:56:02,011 --> 01:56:02,256
reducing their administrative costs if we
can

1823
01:56:02,256 --> 01:56:04,054
work together on this,

1824
01:56:04,054 --> 01:56:09,777
especially with how many unincorporated
enclaves we have within Largo.

1825
01:56:09,777 --> 01:56:14,764
The other question I did have was the the
fee structure here.

1826
01:56:14,764 --> 01:56:18,769
And I know we're not voting on the fee
ordinance.

1827
01:56:18,769 --> 01:56:23,429
And again, I'm speaking out of concern for
the residents.

1828
01:56:23,429 --> 01:56:26,209
I'm not speaking in terms of this.

1829
01:56:26,209 --> 01:56:30,623
I understand what we have to vote on in
terms of this.

1830
01:56:30,623 --> 01:56:33,893
Actually, let me ask Commissioner Smith.

1831
01:56:33,893 --> 01:56:34,392
Sure.

1832
01:56:34,392 --> 01:56:39,413
Can I get an idea of your— and I don't
know if you have it or not,

1833
01:56:39,413 --> 01:56:45,195
but do you have an idea of the consensus
of the board on how they would want

1834
01:56:45,195 --> 01:56:47,402
enforcement handled on these?

1835
01:56:47,402 --> 01:56:51,358
Would they want a system like we have
traditionally,

1836
01:56:51,358 --> 01:56:55,314
or would it prefer a more robust and
instant action?

1837
01:56:55,314 --> 01:56:59,498
From the conversations we've had, probably
more robust.

1838
01:56:59,498 --> 01:57:04,596
I feel like a couple commissioners have
come along on this subject,

1839
01:57:04,596 --> 01:57:09,769
and it's evolved to more of a taking more
aggressive approach to it.

1840
01:57:09,818 --> 01:57:11,857
So I feel like they'd probably be leaning
that way.

1841
01:57:12,908 --> 01:57:14,732
In the discussions I've seen,

1842
01:57:14,732 --> 01:57:18,190
I can't get in their minds because of the
Sunshine Law.

1843
01:57:18,190 --> 01:57:21,460
But from what I've heard at Commission
meetings and,

1844
01:57:21,460 --> 01:57:23,598
and where they've spoken on these,

1845
01:57:23,598 --> 01:57:27,308
I feel like they'd probably be more
inclined to that. Okay.

1846
01:57:27,308 --> 01:57:30,766
And just— and I know this is totally you
just guessing.

1847
01:57:30,766 --> 01:57:34,665
If this was to go to the Commission today,
just your personal,

1848
01:57:34,665 --> 01:57:38,500
would you be happy with this product?
That's a tough one now.

1849
01:57:38,500 --> 01:57:40,701
And this is not an attack on staff.

1850
01:57:40,701 --> 01:57:44,159
I want— staff did the best they can with—
I just, yeah,

1851
01:57:44,159 --> 01:57:48,875
we have to ask hard questions. Yeah, and,
and, and, and that's a tough one.

1852
01:57:48,875 --> 01:57:51,579
If it's not, my concern only is that
we're,

1853
01:57:51,579 --> 01:57:56,107
we're pushing it out more and y'all are
already dealing with situations,

1854
01:57:56,107 --> 01:57:57,427
and by delaying this,

1855
01:57:57,427 --> 01:58:02,583
it's just giving them more time And and
and our staff really don't have the teeth.

1856
01:58:02,583 --> 01:58:05,602
And I know you didn't say it doesn't have
teeth,

1857
01:58:05,602 --> 01:58:08,746
but it in my situation of dealing with
code cases,

1858
01:58:08,746 --> 01:58:10,883
I think there it would give teeth.

1859
01:58:10,883 --> 01:58:12,204
It also, like I said,

1860
01:58:12,204 --> 01:58:17,360
it would actually and it would also help
with our staff to be able to target these

1861
01:58:17,360 --> 01:58:20,441
individuals and put them on notice a lot
quicker.

1862
01:58:20,441 --> 01:58:22,705
I just my concern is if we delay it,

1863
01:58:22,705 --> 01:58:27,924
it's just giving that more of a time and
and it's going to put our staff way behind

1864
01:58:27,924 --> 01:58:31,697
the eight. But I truly understand what you
want, more teeth.

1865
01:58:31,697 --> 01:58:34,526
And trust me, and anybody who signed up
here,

1866
01:58:34,526 --> 01:58:37,670
I'm going to ask staff if you've given
your email.

1867
01:58:37,670 --> 01:58:39,179
If not given your email,

1868
01:58:39,179 --> 01:58:44,273
I would have staff get you the contact
information for your state representatives

1869
01:58:44,273 --> 01:58:48,611
and your state senators, because we are
hamstrung by them, basically.

1870
01:58:48,611 --> 01:58:53,013
Tomorrow, like I said, the direction of
the Commission I see up there,

1871
01:58:53,013 --> 01:58:57,352
this is an issue I People need to get—
Pulling out a couple measures.

1872
01:58:57,352 --> 01:59:01,691
I have a couple in my neighborhood that
are— a couple are great ones,

1873
01:59:01,691 --> 01:59:03,263
a couple of them are not.

1874
01:59:03,263 --> 01:59:08,293
Um, I've had the signs out there that say
the same thing as y'all have said, uh,

1875
01:59:08,293 --> 01:59:13,512
we don't want businesses in our community,
this is not a hotel. I get that totally.

1876
01:59:13,737 --> 01:59:18,236
But also we have businesses that do dog
grooming stuff that run out,

1877
01:59:18,236 --> 01:59:19,758
or like a tax business.

1878
01:59:20,320 --> 01:59:23,313
Those fall under those kind of things
also.

1879
01:59:23,313 --> 01:59:27,560
So just realize that I, I Truly, truly,
truly agree with you.

1880
01:59:27,560 --> 01:59:32,850
I live here, and many members have come to
the Commission and spoke to this,

1881
01:59:32,850 --> 01:59:38,628
and we've evolved. So I feel— I just— my
concern is if we delay it, the Commission—

1882
01:59:38,628 --> 01:59:43,014
it's just giving them more time. I
appreciate that perspective.

1883
01:59:43,014 --> 01:59:45,729
And just to Commissioner Smith's point,

1884
01:59:45,729 --> 01:59:49,975
I think you guys can all see by the
questions staff's asking,

1885
01:59:49,975 --> 01:59:54,779
the questions we're asking, we're all
trying to find ways, loopholes,

1886
01:59:54,779 --> 01:59:59,373
sideways ways of looking at things,
looking at it from a different

1887
01:59:59,373 --> 02:00:00,208
looking at it from a different
perspective,

1888
02:00:00,208 --> 02:00:05,151
any way we can. So everyone's doing the
best they can to get this done.

1889
02:00:05,151 --> 02:00:07,448
I don't want to criticize anyone.

1890
02:00:07,448 --> 02:00:12,948
I just wanted to make sure that we're
recommending a product that fits the will

1891
02:00:12,948 --> 02:00:13,087
recommending a product that fits the will
of

1892
02:00:13,087 --> 02:00:15,593
the Commission. Any other questions?

1893
02:00:15,593 --> 02:00:21,637
Yeah. If we were to pass this today, um,
with conditions, right?

1894
02:00:21,637 --> 02:00:27,965
Um, and, and we could pass it with
conditions that it be revisited,

1895
02:00:27,965 --> 02:00:33,726
certain things be added, uh, certain more
discussions happen.

1896
02:00:33,726 --> 02:00:37,032
And that way we're not delaying it,

1897
02:00:37,032 --> 02:00:42,888
but we're making sure that concerns are
addressed that may not

1898
02:00:42,888 --> 02:00:48,082
necessarily be in the current version.
Would that work?

1899
02:00:48,082 --> 02:00:50,223
Yeah. So, and I actually, um,

1900
02:00:50,223 --> 02:00:55,169
had some conditions that I thought we
might want to consider. Okay.

1901
02:00:55,169 --> 02:00:58,564
Um, one thing I said at the beginning of
this,

1902
02:00:58,564 --> 02:01:04,175
I would like us to have a joint code
enforcement and planning board meeting.

1903
02:01:04,175 --> 02:01:09,785
I do not know how we effectively solve
this problem if we are not all at the

1904
02:01:09,785 --> 02:01:10,154
this problem if we are not all at the
table

1905
02:01:10,154 --> 02:01:15,248
together trying to fix it. So that would
be more of a recommendation.

1906
02:01:15,248 --> 02:01:18,053
We can't direct city staff to do that,

1907
02:01:18,053 --> 02:01:23,589
but it would be a recommendation for the
City Commission to direct staff to

1908
02:01:23,589 --> 02:01:24,180
City Commission to direct staff to
schedule

1909
02:01:24,180 --> 02:01:29,938
that meeting. Another one is I would like
us to strive more towards the county

1910
02:01:29,938 --> 02:01:35,474
ordinance. I know the city attorney said
it's just more beefed-up language,

1911
02:01:35,474 --> 02:01:39,534
but our residents clearly want that
beefed-up language.

1912
02:01:39,534 --> 02:01:43,668
Um, so, um, and then the other condition I
wanted is us—

1913
02:01:43,668 --> 02:01:49,131
was the commission to look at the
irreparable violation framework and have

1914
02:01:49,131 --> 02:01:49,500
irreparable violation framework and have
legal

1915
02:01:49,500 --> 02:01:54,003
look at that and see what direction we can
go on in that too.

1916
02:01:54,003 --> 02:01:55,625
I'm just going to say for that one,

1917
02:01:55,625 --> 02:01:57,988
that would be within the realm of code
enforcement.

1918
02:01:57,988 --> 02:02:01,093
This board really doesn't have any
authority to recommend the— you,

1919
02:02:01,093 --> 02:02:03,549
you can say it like you did the first
item, but yeah,

1920
02:02:03,549 --> 02:02:06,469
it's not a valid condition we can impose,
just so you're aware.

1921
02:02:07,136 --> 02:02:11,128
So we're just asking the commission to
consider that.

1922
02:02:11,128 --> 02:02:15,973
Chair Bostini, if I could just interrupt
for just one moment,

1923
02:02:15,973 --> 02:02:20,183
just to echo what Commissioner Smith's
comments were.

1924
02:02:20,183 --> 02:02:23,916
If there are conditions, it will cause a
delay.

1925
02:02:23,916 --> 02:02:29,952
We have already discussed these requests
ad nauseam with the city attorney's

1926
02:02:29,952 --> 02:02:30,508
ad nauseam with the city attorney's
office.

1927
02:02:30,508 --> 02:02:34,797
So I just want to be clear that it will
cause a delay.

1928
02:02:34,797 --> 02:02:40,198
Staff is happy to accommodate whatever
recommendations you may have,

1929
02:02:40,198 --> 02:02:42,183
but it will mean a delay,

1930
02:02:42,183 --> 02:02:48,220
and we will not be going to the City
Commission in September and October for

1931
02:02:48,220 --> 02:02:48,617
Commission in September and October for
first

1932
02:02:48,617 --> 02:02:50,126
and second reading.

1933
02:02:50,126 --> 02:02:54,768
So I have an idea, actually. Then could we
break this into 2 motions, Noah?

1934
02:02:54,768 --> 02:02:56,749
So we do a motion to approve it,

1935
02:02:56,749 --> 02:03:01,824
and then we do a second Motion with our
recommendations for the City Commission to

1936
02:03:01,824 --> 02:03:04,114
direct with what we're, we're asking.

1937
02:03:04,114 --> 02:03:07,008
So the, the second item wouldn't really be
a motion,

1938
02:03:07,008 --> 02:03:09,400
but if you could come to a board
consensus,

1939
02:03:09,400 --> 02:03:13,741
I'm sure staff would be happy to present
that information to the commission at

1940
02:03:13,741 --> 02:03:14,019
that information to the commission at
their

1941
02:03:14,019 --> 02:03:14,520
workshop.

1942
02:03:14,520 --> 02:03:15,902
Yes. Okay.

1943
02:03:15,902 --> 02:03:18,569
So you could reach out even before
approving.

1944
02:03:18,569 --> 02:03:19,501
Okay.

1945
02:03:21,975 --> 02:03:28,119
What if the condition was that the first
and

1946
02:03:28,119 --> 02:03:34,263
second reading go on as scheduled But have
a

1947
02:03:34,263 --> 02:03:40,407
workshop established for more discussions
on

1948
02:03:40,407 --> 02:03:41,384
future—

1949
02:03:41,384 --> 02:03:42,642
A request for a workshop.

1950
02:03:42,642 --> 02:03:46,517
So it wouldn't actually— again, it
wouldn't be changing the ordinance itself.

1951
02:03:46,517 --> 02:03:50,039
It would just be saying before, you know,
first or second reading, we—

1952
02:03:50,039 --> 02:03:52,052
if the commission grants us the ability,

1953
02:03:52,052 --> 02:03:56,128
we'd like to have a public meeting with
the Code Enforcement Board to discuss the

1954
02:03:56,128 --> 02:03:56,631
ordinance.

1955
02:03:58,548 --> 02:04:00,983
Either that or, or for,

1956
02:04:00,983 --> 02:04:08,077
for staff and the city attorney and
concerned residents establish a

1957
02:04:08,077 --> 02:04:15,701
workshop, um, in anticipation of the, um,
the sunset of, uh, SB 180 and,

1958
02:04:15,701 --> 02:04:21,948
and make that a condition. Could we do
that? So that could—

1959
02:04:21,948 --> 02:04:24,745
That doesn't necessarily relate to the
ordinance But again,

1960
02:04:24,745 --> 02:04:28,585
I think that's a good item for the board
to discuss and maybe come to a consensus

1961
02:04:28,585 --> 02:04:30,577
and ask staff to make that recommendation,

1962
02:04:30,577 --> 02:04:33,042
just like Chair Fosse's idea with the
joint meeting.

1963
02:04:33,042 --> 02:04:39,855
All right. So let's actually start with—
we're just going to do general consensus.

1964
02:04:39,855 --> 02:04:46,502
We won't do a vote. Do we have general
consensus that we would like Commissioner

1965
02:04:46,502 --> 02:04:52,817
Smith to ask staff to plan a joint
planning board and Code Enforcement Board

1966
02:04:52,817 --> 02:04:53,398
planning board and Code Enforcement Board
meeting

1967
02:04:53,398 --> 02:05:00,211
to review this ordinance with staff. We
have general consensus? Everyone on board?

1968
02:05:00,211 --> 02:05:04,698
Okay. Good on that. And then do we have—
what was the—

1969
02:05:04,698 --> 02:05:11,629
To establish a workshop in anticipation of
the sunset of SB 180.

1970
02:05:11,629 --> 02:05:14,391
I think staff definitely are looking at
that.

1971
02:05:14,569 --> 02:05:17,457
Trust me. I'm sure staff is on it.

1972
02:05:17,457 --> 02:05:22,892
that I would— I want staff to, to have
meetings with the public,

1973
02:05:22,892 --> 02:05:29,007
or somebody to have meetings with the
public to gather information, and,

1974
02:05:29,007 --> 02:05:35,377
and then go to the city attorney and say,
can we do these things, and, and,

1975
02:05:35,377 --> 02:05:38,265
and address the public's concerns.

1976
02:05:38,265 --> 02:05:40,193
Can I make a friendly suggestion?

1977
02:05:40,193 --> 02:05:40,723
Sure.

1978
02:05:40,723 --> 02:05:46,721
So I think the Pinellas County ordinance
beefed up, covers a lot of the concerns.

1979
02:05:46,721 --> 02:05:50,572
Maybe with taking NOAA's advice again, we,
you know,

1980
02:05:50,572 --> 02:05:56,200
ask the City Commission to discuss whether
that Pinellas County ordinance is

1981
02:05:56,200 --> 02:05:59,237
something— it's the same legal framework.

1982
02:05:59,237 --> 02:06:02,643
I mean, they— I— to them, to me, I don't
know.

1983
02:06:02,643 --> 02:06:08,345
They haven't been sued, to my knowledge.
No, I don't know. I'm aware of none.

1984
02:06:08,345 --> 02:06:11,011
So they passed this over a year ago.

1985
02:06:11,011 --> 02:06:16,491
No one sued So I don't see a real
litigation harm in us going more towards

1986
02:06:16,491 --> 02:06:16,787
litigation harm in us going more towards
that

1987
02:06:16,787 --> 02:06:18,416
Pinellas County route,

1988
02:06:18,416 --> 02:06:23,896
and I actually prefer us taking a more
regional approach and making things

1989
02:06:23,896 --> 02:06:24,415
regional approach and making things
uniform

1990
02:06:24,415 --> 02:06:28,118
where possible. I think that's just best
practice,

1991
02:06:28,118 --> 02:06:34,264
especially if we're going to hope to annex
a lot of these properties in the future.

1992
02:06:34,264 --> 02:06:38,411
So my recommendation would be to to look
county for the.

1993
02:06:38,411 --> 02:06:44,483
commission to direct staff to see between
first and second reading if there can be

1994
02:06:44,483 --> 02:06:50,334
any changes made to the ordinance to put
it more in line with Pinellas County's

1995
02:06:50,334 --> 02:06:54,777
ordinance, and if there was consensus for
the board on that.

1996
02:06:54,777 --> 02:06:57,901
Maybe Noah can answer my question.

1997
02:06:57,901 --> 02:07:04,977
I really think it's important to have
different ordinances for owner-occupied

1998
02:07:04,977 --> 02:07:08,009
Airbnbs versus, uh, non-occupied.

1999
02:07:08,009 --> 02:07:12,879
Um, I know that's not going to get
addressed now, um,

2000
02:07:12,879 --> 02:07:17,198
but is there a way to make that a future
thing?

2001
02:07:17,198 --> 02:07:21,314
Um, if we're not looking at changes to the
ordinances proposed before you today,

2002
02:07:21,314 --> 02:07:25,533
it wouldn't be a motion you would make.
But again, that could be a consensus item.

2003
02:07:25,533 --> 02:07:29,495
I know the city attorney mentioned that
they had previously looked into that,

2004
02:07:29,495 --> 02:07:32,119
and that's something staff is actively
considering.

2005
02:07:32,119 --> 02:07:35,772
So So I think it would be within this
board's power to make a consensus

2006
02:07:35,772 --> 02:07:39,014
recommendation that the city continue to
explore those options.

2007
02:07:39,014 --> 02:07:42,050
And just to clarify, from what we've seen
on the code side,

2008
02:07:42,050 --> 02:07:46,063
it's probably about less than 5% are
owner-occupied of the short-term rentals.

2009
02:07:46,063 --> 02:07:47,555
It's a very small percentage.

2010
02:07:47,555 --> 02:07:53,971
And just one thing to nitpick. This is for
kind of just my curiosity.

2011
02:07:53,971 --> 02:07:59,085
I said earlier, you know, I rent a room in
my own home.

2012
02:07:59,085 --> 02:08:03,456
This is one question I've always had.
Maybe Ms.

2013
02:08:03,456 --> 02:08:07,454
Allen or Noah, someone can help me with
it.

2014
02:08:07,454 --> 02:08:14,521
My reading of Florida statute says
short-term rentals can only be regular or

2015
02:08:14,521 --> 02:08:15,172
short-term rentals can only be regular or
have to

2016
02:08:15,172 --> 02:08:21,402
be a dwelling unit. But our ordinance says
part of a dwelling unit.

2017
02:08:21,402 --> 02:08:28,562
So I— is there legal authority to under
Florida statute to regulate part of a

2018
02:08:28,562 --> 02:08:33,397
dwelling unit when the law specifies
dwelling units?

2019
02:08:33,397 --> 02:08:35,849
So when you're regulating part of
something,

2020
02:08:35,849 --> 02:08:38,079
you're also regulating the entire thing.

2021
02:08:38,079 --> 02:08:40,420
I— that is an argument that could be made,

2022
02:08:40,420 --> 02:08:43,095
but not one I think would be legally
successful.

2023
02:08:43,095 --> 02:08:48,161
Okay. So with this ordinance, then, with
someone like myself,

2024
02:08:48,161 --> 02:08:54,307
and I'm just gonna use myself as an
example, I rent a room in my own home,

2025
02:08:54,307 --> 02:09:00,701
I self-regulate, There's no issues. I
mean, they live in my own home with me.

2026
02:09:00,701 --> 02:09:05,518
Would I be required to register and do all
of these items?

2027
02:09:05,518 --> 02:09:07,306
No.

2028
02:09:07,306 --> 02:09:11,894
Now, Pinellas County's ordinance does— it
strictly prohibits that, actually,

2029
02:09:11,894 --> 02:09:16,542
because there is an Attorney General's
opinion that that falls under sleeping

2030
02:09:16,542 --> 02:09:19,138
quarters, not actually a short-term
rental.

2031
02:09:19,138 --> 02:09:24,088
But Pinellas County, I know, specifically
says if the owner lives in the property,

2032
02:09:24,088 --> 02:09:28,977
they are exempted from their short-term I
think we would want to consult the city

2033
02:09:28,977 --> 02:09:31,150
attorney with regards to that. Okay.

2034
02:09:31,150 --> 02:09:34,410
Because I know it's very few, but we do
have a number.

2035
02:09:34,410 --> 02:09:37,911
I know Mayor Brown has talked about
someone who, you know,

2036
02:09:37,911 --> 02:09:40,990
lives in an ADU and rents out the top part
of that.

2037
02:09:40,990 --> 02:09:43,284
So for people like me, it's, you know,

2038
02:09:43,284 --> 02:09:46,906
the only way I can help support my mom and
pay the mortgage.

2039
02:09:46,906 --> 02:09:50,769
And I don't want people like that who are
doing the right thing,

2040
02:09:50,769 --> 02:09:55,840
which I think everyone in this room agrees
we don't want to hurt the people that are

2041
02:09:55,840 --> 02:09:57,168
doing the right thing,

2042
02:09:57,168 --> 02:10:01,393
We want the enforcement on the people that
aren't following the rules.

2043
02:10:01,393 --> 02:10:05,921
So trust me, I wanted to bring up about an
amendment, Ms. Hall, about that.

2044
02:10:05,921 --> 02:10:09,180
But with what staff's telling us, and it's
negligible,

2045
02:10:09,180 --> 02:10:13,285
I don't want to hold up the process,
especially with the commission,

2046
02:10:13,285 --> 02:10:15,579
Commissioner Smith, you know, wanting—

2047
02:10:15,579 --> 02:10:19,382
giving us direction that commission wants
this to move forward.

2048
02:10:19,382 --> 02:10:20,655
Okay.

2049
02:10:21,716 --> 02:10:26,211
just to kind of— that's kind of why it's
been bumped to now is because the

2050
02:10:26,211 --> 02:10:31,313
commission has gotten more aggressive. And
I just want to make that to the audience.

2051
02:10:31,313 --> 02:10:36,232
This is why our staff is doing this as
quickly as we possibly and physically can.

2052
02:10:36,232 --> 02:10:41,213
So just to clarify that. Okay, so everyone
good on the consensus that we've given?

2053
02:10:41,213 --> 02:10:43,278
All right. Any further discussion?

2054
02:10:43,278 --> 02:10:48,937
Yes, I would just like to say this has
been a very interesting discussion

2055
02:10:48,937 --> 02:10:54,984
tonight, and probably one of the most
difficult discussions we have had in the

2056
02:10:54,984 --> 02:11:00,410
last year. And I just want to thank the
citizens for coming out today,

2057
02:11:00,410 --> 02:11:06,457
for voicing their concerns and giving us
things to think about that we may not

2058
02:11:06,457 --> 02:11:07,930
have pondered upon.

2059
02:11:08,380 --> 02:11:10,631
So you're not a burden here tonight,

2060
02:11:10,631 --> 02:11:15,445
but I just want to thank each of them
because we can hear the passion in your

2061
02:11:15,445 --> 02:11:15,883
voices.

2062
02:11:15,883 --> 02:11:22,350
We can see and the illustrations and the
examples you have given are very helpful.

2063
02:11:22,350 --> 02:11:27,433
And I want to echo Ms. McGee's comments.
We, we love it when we see a room packed.

2064
02:11:27,433 --> 02:11:32,578
Actually, I'm proud to say I think this is
the fullest almost the room's been for a

2065
02:11:32,578 --> 02:11:36,978
public meeting since we moved into the new
building, so we're proud to,

2066
02:11:36,978 --> 02:11:41,999
proud to take that title. Um, I really do
appreciate everyone coming out as well.

2067
02:11:41,999 --> 02:11:46,834
We are a city and we're only as good is us
working together to solve problems.

2068
02:11:46,834 --> 02:11:50,925
So without you coming out here and giving
your feedback, you know,

2069
02:11:50,925 --> 02:11:55,512
we can't make good recommendations to our
commissioners and ask the proper

2070
02:11:55,512 --> 02:11:57,496
questions. So thank you so much.

2071
02:11:57,496 --> 02:12:02,454
Um, and with that, I will entertain a
motion at this point if there's no further

2072
02:12:02,454 --> 02:12:03,756
discussion. Well, Mr.

2073
02:12:03,821 --> 02:12:09,617
Chairman, I move to approve ordinance
number 2026-33.

2074
02:12:10,881 --> 02:12:12,951
I have a motion by Ms. Donahue. Is there a
second?

2075
02:12:12,951 --> 02:12:13,452
I'll second.

2076
02:12:13,452 --> 02:12:21,138
I have a second by Ms. Robshaw. Can you
poll the board, Ms. Jarvis?

2077
02:12:21,138 --> 02:12:21,802
Yes.

2078
02:12:21,802 --> 02:12:23,826
Ms. Hall?

2079
02:12:23,826 --> 02:12:25,445
Yes.

2080
02:12:25,445 --> 02:12:26,919
Ms. Robshaw?

2081
02:12:26,919 --> 02:12:27,356
Yes.

2082
02:12:27,356 --> 02:12:28,878
Ms. McGee?

2083
02:12:28,878 --> 02:12:29,396
Yes.

2084
02:12:29,396 --> 02:12:30,770
Mr. Graham?

2085
02:12:30,770 --> 02:12:31,239
Yes.

2086
02:12:31,239 --> 02:12:32,630
Ms. Donahue?

2087
02:12:32,630 --> 02:12:33,196
Yes.

2088
02:12:33,196 --> 02:12:34,619
And Chair Fastini?

2089
02:12:34,619 --> 02:12:41,457
I'm going to do a protest no. On behalf of
my other members.

2090
02:12:41,457 --> 02:12:42,646
Thank you.

2091
02:12:42,646 --> 02:12:47,466
So motion carries 5 to 1. Again, I want to
thank everyone for coming out.

2092
02:12:47,466 --> 02:12:49,843
Thank you for sharing your feedback.

2093
02:12:49,843 --> 02:12:54,002
We have a couple items left, but you can
feel free to head out.

2094
02:12:54,002 --> 02:12:58,888
We just have a little bit of wrapping up
business to discuss, and we'll be

2095
02:12:58,888 --> 02:12:59,482
business to discuss, and we'll be
finished—

2096
02:12:59,482 --> 02:13:01,661
we'll be done in about 5 minutes.

2097
02:13:01,661 --> 02:13:06,811
So if you just give us a quick couple of
minutes and then we'll be good to go.

2098
02:13:08,560 --> 02:13:09,096
And we're happy to—

2099
02:13:09,242 --> 02:13:10,460
did that again, right?

2100
02:13:13,269 --> 02:13:14,139
I'm losing Jared.

2101
02:13:15,105 --> 02:13:16,441
Anything next month?

2102
02:13:16,441 --> 02:13:21,080
Um, just that, uh, we will have our new
planning board member, um,

2103
02:13:21,080 --> 02:13:23,049
joining at our next meeting.

2104
02:13:23,049 --> 02:13:28,039
And I think this time I'll actually let
Noah give his Sunshine Law, uh,

2105
02:13:28,039 --> 02:13:32,538
presentation. So I know you've all been
looking forward to that.

2106
02:13:32,538 --> 02:13:38,021
It's going to be Really good. Yes, I
might. I'm excited now. The anticipation—

2107
02:13:38,021 --> 02:13:41,578
We're giving you too much time. Any other
business?

2108
02:13:41,578 --> 02:13:44,367
Hearing none, this meeting is adjourned.

2109
02:13:44,609 --> 02:13:46,739
Thank you. Thank you. Yes, sir.