[5:14] Good evening. At this time,
[5:16] I would like to call to order the August 6
meeting of the Largo Planning Board.
[5:21] It is requested that everyone attending
this meeting please turn off or silence
[5:26] this meeting please turn off or silence
your
[5:26] phones. I'd like to start today's meeting
by introducing staff.
[5:30] We have Jared Austin, our planning
manager; Noah Diker, our board attorney;
[5:35] Commissioner Smith as our commission
liaison.
[5:38] We have Matthew Crawwell, Planner 1,
[5:40] who will be giving his first presentation
to us today, so we're glad to see you.
[5:45] and Kimberly Mejia. And we also have Chase
Bergeron,
[5:48] which is our community standards manager.
[5:51] Cheryl Reed, our director of community
development, are all in the room tonight.
[5:56] And then Jamie Jarvis is the recording
secretary.
[5:59] Tonight, the planning board, in its
capacity as the local planning agency,
[6:04] will be acting both in an advisory and
quasi-judicial capacity.
[6:08] The procedures of this board are as
follows.
[6:11] All individuals who will be speaking this
evening on a quasi-judicial item must
[6:16] stand to be sworn in.
[6:17] The first item will be to consider any
requests from the public to be considered
[6:22] requests from the public to be considered
as
[6:22] an intervening party.
[6:24] City staff will then have 10 minutes to
present its case to the board first.
[6:29] The board will address any questions to
staff.
[6:32] The applicant will then be given 10
minutes to present his or her case to the
[6:37] minutes to present his or her case to the
board.
[6:37] After the applicant's presentation and any
responding questions from the board,
[6:42] any intervening parties will then be given
10 minutes to make their presentations.
[6:47] After the intervening party presentations,
the public portion hearing, if any,
[6:52] will take place, in which anyone who
wishes to speak may come forward giving
[6:57] wishes to speak may come forward giving
his or
[6:57] her name and address to speak to the
board, limiting their comments to 3
[7:02] board, limiting their comments to 3
minutes.
[7:03] The board will determine the relevance of
any public input and its duration.
[7:07] After everyone has had an opportunity to
speak,
[7:10] the public hearing portion of the meeting
will be closed.
[7:14] City staff will then be allowed 3 minutes
to make a presentation.
[7:18] Any intervening parties will be allowed 3
minutes for a rebuttal and closing
[7:23] arguments, and then the applicant will be
allowed 3 minutes for rebuttal and closing
[7:28] arguments.
[7:29] Thank you.
[7:30] The board will then discuss the case and
vote.
[7:34] So I just want to make everyone aware in
the room, that is for agenda item 1.
[7:40] If you are here for this other agenda
item,
[7:44] you don't need to worry about anything I
just said. Okay? This next part's for you.
[7:51] Then the board— for advisory items, staff
will make its presentation first,
[7:57] followed, if there is, by the applicant.
The board will then hear public comment.
[8:04] Our first item on our agenda is approval
of the minutes of the July 2nd,
[8:10] 2026 meeting. Are there any changes,
updates? If not, I'll entertain a motion.
[8:16] Mr. Chairman, I move to approve the July
2nd, 2026 Minutes.
[8:23] I have a motion by Ms. Donaherty. Is there
a second?
[8:26] I'll second.
[8:27] Second by Ms. Hall. All those in favor?
[8:29] Aye.
[8:29] Opposed? Motion carries 6-0.
[8:32] All right, the next item on our agenda is
quasi-judicial in nature.
[8:37] It is case CU-26-0003, Success on the
Spectrum Medical Office.
[8:41] If you are a member of the public and plan
to speak on this item,
[8:46] If you're planning to speak on the
short-term rental item next,
[8:51] you do not need to stand.
[8:53] But if you're planning to speak or want to
speak on this item,
[8:58] we would ask that you stand up now and
raise your right hand to be sworn in.
[9:04] Also, is the applicant here?
[9:10] Yes.
[9:13] Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth,
the whole truth,
[9:15] and nothing but the truth?
[9:16] I do. I do.
[9:18] Thank you. And then I'll go ahead and give
it to Noah for any intervening parties.
[9:22] Thank you, Chair Fosdini.
[9:23] The item the board is about to hear, which
is about using, uh,
[9:27] space as a medical office— it is not the
short-term vacation rental ordinance— uh,
[9:32] is quasi-judicial. That means the
applicant,
[9:34] since they have a legal interest in the
property, has the right to present
[9:38] property, has the right to present
evidence,
[9:39] testimony, or witnesses, as does the city.
[9:41] Uh, other people may also have a legal
interest in the property and have a right
[9:46] interest in the property and have a right
to
[9:46] also present evidence and testimony.
[9:48] If you are here to present testimony on
this case and would like to be added as a
[9:53] party, please stand. Seeing no one, we can
proceed.
[9:56] Thank you so much. Just whenever staff are
ready.
[9:59] Thank you.
[10:05] All right.
[10:06] Good evening, members of the Planning
Board.
[10:09] My name is Matthew Crowell, Planner 1 with
Planning and Development Services.
[10:14] Joined by me at the presentation desk is
Kimberly Mejia, Planner II.
[10:18] The case before you tonight is a request
for Class 2 conditional use approval to
[10:23] allow for the establishment of a medical
office on a parcel with the future land
[10:28] office on a parcel with the future land
use
[10:28] of Industrial Limited. The applicant, Omar
Resto, is present with us tonight.
[10:33] The subject parcel comprises 6.36 acres of
land located at 13922 58th Street North.
[10:38] This property is classified as Industrial
Limited on the future—
[10:42] on the City of Largo future land use map.
[10:44] And currently houses 4 office buildings
with a mix of office, medical,
[10:49] and institutional uses.
[10:50] The site is accessed from ICOT Boulevard
and 58th Street North and contains 277
[10:55] parking spaces. The proposed medical
office use will occupy Suite 900 within
[11:00] Building 9. Here is an overall location of
the parcel with the nearest arterial
[11:04] roadways being US Highway 19 and Olmerton
Road.
[11:07] Here is a closer locational overview with
the tenant space shown in black and the
[11:12] parcel outlined in red.
[11:14] Here are the adjacent land uses with the
parcel abutting industrial limited
[11:18] properties in all directions. And here is
a street view from Eichert Crossing.
[11:23] The applicant has requested this Class 2
conditional use approval to allow for the
[11:28] establishment of a medical office within
an existing tenant space on the subject
[11:33] property. Per CDC Table 6-1,
[11:35] medical office uses are conditionally
allowable on parcels classified as
[11:39] allowable on parcels classified as
industrial
[11:40] limited. Here are the proposed plans
showing establishment of the medical
[11:45] showing establishment of the medical
office
[11:45] within the existing tenant space.
[11:47] The grayed-out area is a separate tenant
space belonging to a religious institution
[11:52] that received previous conditional use
approval.
[11:55] Through review, based on the criteria
outlined in CDC Section 4.2.4,
[11:59] staff recommends approval of the proposed
scope of work outlined in CU-26-0003.
[12:04] Thank you.
[12:06] If this conditional use review is
approved,
[12:08] the tenant build-out permit under record
remodel-26-000151 can be approved,
[12:12] subject to meeting Florida Building Code
requirements.
[12:15] Any further expansions or changes in
operational scope would require the site
[12:20] operational scope would require the site
to
[12:20] undergo further conditional use review and
receive subsequent approval from the
[12:24] planning board. That concludes my
presentation,
[12:27] and staff is available for questions.
[12:29] Thank you so much. Does Does the board
have any questions for staff?
[12:32] I do. Is the build-out, it's all interior?
[12:37] Yes, ma'am.
[12:38] Okay.
[12:38] Any other questions?
[12:41] If not, if the applicant would like to
speak.
[12:46] If you don't, you don't have to, but if
you would like to,
[12:53] you— yep, you just come up here and then
give your first
[13:00] name and address. Yes, sir. Thank you so
much.
[13:05] Good evening, Mr. Chairman and the board.
[13:09] Um, Patrice and I are co-owners of Success
on the Spectrum Clearwater.
[13:13] The facility will operate in a manner
that's consistent and professional with
[13:17] healthcare services.
[13:19] We will not create adverse impacts on
neighborhood properties,
[13:22] and we will provide an important
healthcare resource to the children and
[13:24] healthcare resource to the children and
families in
[13:25] the Largo Clearwater community.
[13:28] Thank you so much. Does the board have any
questions for the applicant?
[13:31] I do.
[13:33] I have a question.
[13:34] What type of medical practice, um, would
be housed at this location?
[13:39] Yes, ma'am. This is an outpatient ABA
therapy for children on the autism
[13:43] therapy for children on the autism
spectrum.
[13:44] So we have board-certified behavior
analysts that will be providing therapy to
[13:49] analysts that will be providing therapy to
kids
[13:49] that have autism.
[13:50] Well, thank you. I'm sure that's well
needed in the community.
[13:54] Yes, ma'am.
[13:56] And any other questions?
[13:57] Just one thing I wanted to mention, the
county administration site is—
[14:01] their new site is going to be very close
to your location.
[14:04] So definitely an area where we're going to
have a growing population that needs
[14:09] access to healthcare and children that
will need access.
[14:12] Good to hear.
[14:12] Thank you. Might want to reach out to the
county to see how you can work with them.
[14:15] Yes, of course. Collaborate.
[14:17] Thank you.
[14:17] Absolutely. Any other questions? If not,
I'll entertain a motion.
[14:21] Mr. Chairman, I move to approve CU-28—
[14:26] Oh, wait. I'm sorry.
[14:27] Is there anyone from the public that would
wish to speak on this item?
[14:32] Seeing none, I will go ahead and close the
public hearing portion of this item. Ms.
[14:37] Donaherty, go ahead. Sorry. No problem.
[14:40] Mr. Chairman, I move to approve CU-280003.
[14:45] I have a motion by Ms. Donaherty. Is there
a second? I'll second the motion.
[14:49] Second by Ms. Ropshaw. Can you poll the
board, Ms. Jarvis?
[14:52] Yes. Mr.
[14:54] Chair, I'm so sorry, I believe it is
CU-26-0003.
[14:59] Okay.
[15:00] You mind?
[15:01] Want me to do it again? Yes, ma'am.
[15:02] Okay, no problem.
[15:04] Mr. Chairman, I move to approve CU-26,
right?
[15:11] Yes.
[15:11] 0003.
[15:13] That's what I have on mine.
[15:15] I'll second. Okay. And we have— so we have
a revised motion by Ms.
[15:20] Donaherty that is approved and seconded by
Ms. Robshaw. Ms.
[15:24] Jarvis, can you poll the board? Yes.
[15:26] Ms. Hall?
[15:26] Yes.
[15:27] Ms. Robshaw?
[15:28] Yes. Ms. McGee?
[15:30] Yes.
[15:31] Mr. Graham?
[15:32] Yes.
[15:33] Ms. Donaherty?
[15:34] Yes.
[15:35] And Chair Fastini?
[15:36] Yes. Motion carries 6-0. Thank you so much
for coming to Largo.
[15:41] We wish you all the best in your business.
[15:45] All right, I'm going to let Noah speak—
or, um, sorry, Jared speak first.
[15:51] Sorry, Noah, stole your thunder. No, I was
really hoping to speak.
[15:55] Um, yeah, while Chase gets up here, uh, to
speak, and Cheryl as well, um,
[15:59] do just want to provide a few clarifying
points, um,
[16:02] for the board on this item since I know
there were a number of materials, uh,
[16:07] circulated to you all in addition to the
ordinance.
[16:10] Um, so again, not to take too much away
from Chase's presentation,
[16:14] but I do just want to inform you that this
is one piece of a broader attempt by the
[16:19] city to establish some more clear
protocols as it pertains to short-term
[16:24] protocols as it pertains to short-term
vacation
[16:24] rentals. You may all recall from the
planning board retreat that we had
[16:28] planning board retreat that we had
recently,
[16:29] there are a number of codes that the city
is responsible for administering and
[16:34] enforcing. Um, the Comprehensive
Development Code is one of those, um,
[16:38] which we in Planning administer and which
you all as a Planning Board oversee
[16:43] changes to. Um, that being said,
[16:45] the Comprehensive Development Code does
relate to very specific things,
[16:49] particularly development within the City
of Largo.
[16:52] Um, so things such as noise, um, or
nuisance types ordinances, um, that—
[16:56] or nuisance type, uh, matters that would
be regulated by a nuisance ordinance,
[17:01] which, uh, is something that Chase is
going to be touching on, um,
[17:05] would be something that would be more
covered by our, uh,
[17:09] some of our other codes that we enforce in
the city,
[17:12] not particularly the Comprehensive
Development Code.
[17:15] Um, so what we're focused on today are the
changes and amendments to the
[17:20] Comprehensive Development Code, um, as it
pertains to short-term vacation rentals.
[17:25] That's why you'll see things in here such
as, um,
[17:28] adherence to building code and things such
as, um, parking requirements, um,
[17:32] those types of things, not necessarily
noise or, uh, you know,
[17:36] trash-related problems that may come from
a short-term vacation rental.
[17:40] Um, with that though, I can, uh, I will
just say, uh,
[17:44] one other thing is that we do have to be
mindful of, um, and legal was in,
[17:48] in drafting this, uh, language,
[17:50] is that something that I've brought up to
you all on a number of times, um,
[17:55] that does prohibit us, um, as a planning
board and as planning staff,
[17:59] our Senate Bill 180,
[18:00] which does prevent us from passing any
ordinance that is considered more
[18:04] ordinance that is considered more
restrictive
[18:05] or burdensome on development,
[18:07] as well as some of the other state
preemptions surrounding short-term
[18:11] preemptions surrounding short-term
vacation
[18:12] rentals. So do just want to provide that
clarification before we dive into our
[18:16] presentation this evening on this item.
[18:19] And with that, I hope I haven't stolen too
much of Chase's presentation.
[18:23] I'll go ahead and turn it over to him.
[18:25] Chase, actually, I'm going to stop you for
another minute.
[18:30] I do need to make some disclosures.
[18:32] I just want to, for the sake of
transparency,
[18:36] Let the public know that before we start
discussion, I currently reside—
[18:41] I have a private home and I rent a room in
that home that I live in on Airbnb.
[18:47] I have spoke with our city attorney, Noah
Diker,
[18:50] because we are not legally allowed to
abstain unless there is a formal statutory
[18:56] conflict that exists.
[18:58] But in full transparency, I wanted to let
everyone know,
[19:02] and I am legally required to vote on this
item.
[19:05] Also, in the interest of transparency,
[19:08] I do want to let individuals know of an ex
parte communication in which an
[19:14] individual reached out to me to provide
the planning board information.
[19:19] I provided that individual the person to
get that information,
[19:24] and they were able to get it to the
planning board.
[19:27] And with that, now I will go ahead and
hand it over to Chase. All right, thank
[19:33] hand it over to Chase. All right, thank
you.
[19:34] Good evening, uh, Planning Board.
[19:35] I am Chase Bergeron, the Community
Standards Manager.
[19:38] Tonight I will be discussing Ordinance
Number 2026-33,
[19:40] which covers the Comprehensive Development
Code Section 15.18 pertaining to
[19:44] short-term rentals. Uh, before I begin my
presentation,
[19:47] I'm here with Community Development
Director Cheryl Reed, who has a few
[19:50] Director Cheryl Reed, who has a few
comments.
[19:51] Good evening, Chair Faustini and Planning
Board members.
[19:55] Again, my name is Cheryl Reed.
[19:57] I'm the director of the Community
Development Department,
[20:00] and I just wanted to provide a little bit
of context and maybe some background about
[20:06] this particular proposed ordinance,
[20:09] and then I'll be handing it back over to
Chase so he can give his presentation.
[20:14] The city first adopted a short-term
vacation rental back in 2019, and at that
[20:19] vacation rental back in 2019, and at that
time,
[20:20] the city was not really having a large
issue with short-term vacation rentals.
[20:25] We didn't have very many in the city of
Largo, and the ones that we did have,
[20:30] if there were loud parties, our— the
city's police department was,
[20:35] was very well equipped to be able to
address those kinds of complaints.
[20:40] The City Commission at that time was
confident that the short-term vacation
[20:45] confident that the short-term vacation
rental
[20:45] hosts would be desirous of being in
compliance with the city's ordinance at
[20:50] compliance with the city's ordinance at
that
[20:50] time. And that's kind of how we began our
short-term vacation rental journey,
[20:56] as I'll call it. When we flash forward 7
years,
[20:59] the city does have substantially more
number of short-term vacation rentals than
[21:04] number of short-term vacation rentals than
we
[21:04] did back in 2019. They have become the
most common complaint or the second most
[21:10] common complaint that this—
[21:12] that the Community Standards Division that
Chase Bergeron manages.
[21:16] So we are hearing from our residents that
they have become a concern in their
[21:21] neighborhoods.
[21:22] Right.
[21:24] And I want to assure both the planning
board as well as the members of the public
[21:29] that the Community Standards Division is
vigorously pursuing enforcement of any
[21:34] short-term vacation rentals that we are
advised of where that particular host or
[21:40] property manager is not following the
city's existing ordinance.
[21:44] Back in March of this year,
[21:46] we did have a number of residents from a
variety of neighborhoods across the city
[21:51] come to a city commission meeting and
under Citizens to Be Heard let the city
[21:57] commission know that there were short-term
vacation rentals in their neighborhood
[22:02] that were were not being good neighbors.
[22:05] The hosts were not behaving, and that they
were having, you know,
[22:09] an unfortunate impact on the
neighborhoods.
[22:12] So at city administration's request,
[22:15] the Community Development Department began
meeting again with city administration as
[22:20] well as with the city attorney's office to
explore what would be the next best
[22:26] steps. The city attorney at that time
recommended a 2-prong approach,
[22:30] the first being to reevaluate the existing
short-term vacation rental ordinance that
[22:36] the city already had on the books, and
that's why we are here this evening.
[22:41] They all— the city attorney also
recommended that the city probably needed
[22:46] recommended that the city probably needed
a
[22:46] stronger chronic nuisance ordinance that
would be a companion to this particular
[22:51] ordinance that is in front of you this
evening.
[22:55] So at this point, we are bringing both
proposed ordinances forward as city staff
[23:00] proposed ordinances forward as city staff
to
[23:00] the appropriate advisory boards and then
ultimately to the city Commission in the
[23:06] form of a first and a second reading of 2
formal ordinances.
[23:10] As Planning Manager Austin referred to
earlier,
[23:13] you're seeing one of those ordinances this
evening because it is the ordinance that
[23:18] is in the Comprehensive Development Code.
[23:21] The second ordinance that the City
Attorney had recommended will still be
[23:26] Attorney had recommended will still be
coming
[23:27] forward, and those 2 ordinances will
travel together to the City Commission for
[23:32] travel together to the City Commission for
the
[23:32] City Commission's consideration.
[23:34] We have had a work session with the City
Commission.
[23:38] The City Commission did give us direction
on what they wanted to see in both
[23:43] ordinances, and so staff has been busy
working on those items.
[23:47] Simultaneously, I do want to also let the
Planning Board as well as the audience
[23:53] know that city administration is working
with the police department to ensure that
[23:58] we have an— that the police department has
the ability to begin tracking any
[24:03] complaints related to short-term vacation
rentals,
[24:07] the community Standards Division also has
a process for doing that,
[24:11] and the police department will also be
looking at ways to track public nuisances
[24:17] which may not be short-term vacation
rental related.
[24:20] So with that, I hope that kind of gave you
a little bit of background for us to set
[24:26] the stage. And at this point, I will turn
it over to Mr. Bergeron.
[24:30] Thank you.
[24:33] So to start with a little background
information that both Ms. Reid and Mr.
[24:38] Austin have touched on,
[24:40] there are a few legislative pieces that we
have to consider when in making
[24:45] amendments to the Comprehensive
Development Code.
[24:48] The first would be the state statute
509.032, which was passed in 2011,
[24:53] which states that local governments cannot
prohibit the operation of vacation
[24:58] rentals unless they had an ordinance on
the books by June 1st, 2011. As Ms.
[25:03] Reed alluded to, our ordinance for
short-term rentals was not passed until
[25:08] short-term rentals was not passed until
2019.
[25:09] So we would be preempted by the state
statute to fully prohibit the operation of
[25:14] vacation rentals. Secondly, Senate Bill
180,
[25:17] which was passed in 2025 in response to
the 2024 hurricane season to help aid
[25:22] recovery, has language that states that
land development codes cannot be deemed
[25:28] land development codes cannot be deemed
more
[25:28] burdensome or restrictive. That is set to
expire October of next year.
[25:33] So the current The short-term rental
ordinance covers things such as meeting
[25:38] ordinance covers things such as meeting
the
[25:38] minimum life safety requirements through
the Florida Building Code,
[25:43] the Florida Fire Code, and the Florida
Life Safety Code.
[25:46] It also requires these rentals to comply
with State Statute 515,
[25:51] which is the Residential Swimming Pool
Safety Act.
[25:54] We require internal postings which has
relevant information regarding where the
[25:59] closest hospital is, other emergency
numbers, trash pickup days,
[26:04] and other relevant local ordinances that
all guests need to apply by.
[26:08] And then lastly, we do require the posting
of a designated responsible party.
[26:14] This is an individual who is required to
respond to any issues at the property
[26:19] within 2 hours of receiving a complaint.
[26:22] Back in May of this year,
[26:23] we had a commission work session and were
directed by the commission to update this
[26:29] ordinance. A few things the commission
wanted to see was creating a registration
[26:34] process for all vacation rentals operating
in the city.
[26:38] The community standards is currently
reactive;
[26:41] we are not proactive in seeking out
short-term rentals.
[26:45] So this would allow us to have a more
comprehensive coverage and ensure that
[26:50] everyone is meeting the requirements of
our ordinance.
[26:54] Additionally, they wanted to add enhanced
enforcement options for those.
[26:59] Handful of nuisance properties. As Ms.
[27:01] Reed alluded to, this will be handled by
creating a chronic nuisance ordinance,
[27:06] which is covered in Chapter 11 of the Code
of Ordinances.
[27:10] Because that's in the Code of Ordinances,
[27:13] that will be heard before the commission
slated for September 1st.
[27:18] Additionally, commission recommended
hiring additional staff and utilizing
[27:23] hiring additional staff and utilizing
software
[27:23] that will help us implement this program
and provide a continued high level of
[27:28] customer service, not just for the host,
[27:31] but there are aspects of the software that
will allow residents to submit complaints
[27:37] if they are next to some of those nuisance
properties,
[27:40] and then either Community Standards or the
police department would be able to react
[27:46] accordingly. And then finally,
[27:48] they also recommended implementing a
registration fee to help make the program
[27:53] overall cost-neutral.
[27:55] So there actually is a 3rd companion
ordinance updating the fee schedule that
[28:00] ordinance updating the fee schedule that
we
[28:00] will be bringing forward with both this
comprehensive development code update and
[28:06] the chronic nuisance update.
[28:07] So going off of the commission's
recommendations,
[28:11] these are the updates we're proposing to
Section 15.18,
[28:14] expanding the life safety minimums through
the Florida Administrative Code and
[28:20] specific codes within Chapter 18 of the
comprehensive development code,
[28:25] expanding some of the required language in
the internal posting that specifically
[28:30] covers language in the noise ordinance
requiring that registration and annual
[28:35] renewals of the registration,
[28:37] along with life safety inspections through
both the Community Standards Division and
[28:43] the fire department that would be
conducted both at that initial
[28:47] conducted both at that initial
registration and
[28:48] each annual renewal of the vacation
rental.
[28:51] So as we touched on before,
[28:53] there will be a couple supplemental
ordinances along with this short-term
[28:58] ordinances along with this short-term
rental
[28:58] update. the chronic nuisance ordinance,
which is in Chapter 11,
[29:03] and the update of the fee schedule,
[29:05] which will cover those registration and
renewal fees.
[29:09] Additionally, staff will evaluate if
updates or changes need to be made to this
[29:14] ordinance or the chronic nuisance
ordinance once Senate Bill 180 expires
[29:19] ordinance once Senate Bill 180 expires
next year.
[29:19] So staff recommends the approval of
Ordinance Number 2026-33,
[29:24] updating Section 15.18 regarding
short-term rentals to include those
[29:28] short-term rentals to include those
registration
[29:29] requirements and the additional life
safety measures.
[29:33] And the first reading before the City
Commission is slated for September 1st,
[29:38] Commission is slated for September 1st,
2026.
[29:38] And staff is available if you have any
questions.
[29:41] I'm sure the board does have questions for
staff.
[29:45] Um, just— I usually don't do this, um, and
I swear this— I'm just— one question,
[29:50] I'll give it over to the rest of the board
members.
[29:53] Will these ordinances be going to another
citizen advisory board,
[29:58] or are they going straight to the
commission?
[30:01] The chronic nuisance and the fee schedule
update will both be going straight to the
[30:04] commission.
[30:05] Okay, so the Code Enforcement Board will
not see—
[30:08] No, we do have a work session next week to
cover the chronic nuisance and updates to
[30:14] this ordinance.
[30:15] Okay, because I, I really struggle with
the Code Enforcement Board not being
[30:21] involved in They are the ones that are
going to have to make the decisions on
[30:26] whether someone is or isn't in violation.
[30:29] They're the ones who know the loopholes
that people are using.
[30:33] We can pass all the stuff we want up here,
I'll be honest,
[30:37] but we're not the ones enforcing it. I
just want to be clear on that. Go ahead.
[30:43] Just a follow-up to that, Chair Fostini.
[30:45] We have found that the Municipal Code
Enforcement Board has been very supportive
[30:50] Enforcement Board has been very supportive
of
[30:51] staff recommendations as we've brought
violators forward.
[30:54] So we do feel like we have their support.
They understand the issue very well.
[30:59] Staff makes very detailed presentations
when there are violations of short-term
[31:04] vacation rental hosts or property
managers.
[31:07] So we feel like they're very knowledgeable
at this point, if that's helpful to know.
[31:13] Yes. It's just— it's hard when we're
getting half of the picture,
[31:17] and I understand how we have to get half
of the picture because of the way our code
[31:24] and city charter works.
[31:25] But I just— there are real questions that
I have that I can't answer for the code
[31:31] enforcement on how they're going to
enforce things.
[31:35] So if there's an after-action complaint
and a code officer doesn't get there and
[31:41] doesn't see the party and then there's no
violation,
[31:45] What does the Code Enforcement Board have
to use to issue a violation?
[31:50] I think probably, um, Mr. Bergeron could
address that question for you.
[31:54] So in instances like an after-hours party,
[31:56] we would coordinate with police
department.
[31:59] We've actually had a similar case where we
used their event report and their body
[32:03] cam footage to document the violation.
[32:05] So as long as we have documentation of a
violation,
[32:08] we can bring that forward to the code
board.
[32:11] Okay, but that's only if we have the
police come out.
[32:14] And I'm not— and again, I understand you
guys are doing the best you can.
[32:19] So please do not— I just— we have to ask
some tough questions on this.
[32:23] Our police department is currently
understaffed.
[32:27] I believe we are understaffed by 18
positions.
[32:30] Does the police department have the
manpower to support extra enforcement in
[32:34] manpower to support extra enforcement in
the way
[32:35] you're saying to? So because what I think
is going to happen in most cases is our
[32:40] cops are going to be dealing with more
serious events.
[32:44] And a nuisance call is going to have the
lowest priority.
[32:47] It's going to be 30 to—
[32:49] 30 minutes to an hour before a cop might
get out there in many cases.
[32:53] And then again, the violation is done.
It's gone. There's no evidence.
[32:58] So I'm trying— this is my real struggle
with us not looking at the other
[33:03] with us not looking at the other
enforcement
[33:03] piece.
[33:04] But that's just— excuse me— one aspect of,
you know, a potential violation.
[33:09] They still would have to go through the
registration process.
[33:13] There are still other violations they may
be noncompliant with.
[33:18] Okay.
[33:22] I'm good for now. Anyone? Yeah, I have a
question.
[33:25] Tell us a little bit about the process.
[33:28] Thank you so much. You mentioned after
hours.
[33:31] You know, if a citizen had a concern and
it's doing—
[33:35] traditional business hours, who would they
call?
[33:39] Would they call the police, or would they
call Community Standards?
[33:43] I mean, who would respond to that?
[33:46] So this is a process we would— excuse me—
still be in setting up.
[33:50] Some of the software we're looking at has
the capability of having a 24-hour
[33:55] hotline. They can actually first contact
that designated responsible party I
[34:00] mentioned earlier in the presentation.
[34:02] If that designated responsible party is
not capable of correcting the issue,
[34:07] then they can actually contact the city's
non-emergency line.
[34:11] And then the police would respond?
[34:14] Yes.
[34:14] But they're short-staffed.
[34:17] Yes.
[34:20] I have some concerns. Me too.
[34:23] I have a question. So we received some
emails and letters from
[34:29] the citizens with ideas that incorporate
some other methods of
[34:36] enforcement and things that they felt were
missing from both the
[34:43] current ordinance and the revised version.
[34:47] So were you able to look at those?
[34:50] Were you able to look at those with legal
staff?
[34:56] Yes.
[34:56] And is there any Is there any chance that
some of those
[35:00] ideas could be incorporated into the
revised ordinance?
[35:04] Yes. As we mentioned, you know,
[35:06] some of those are preempted by either the
state statute prohibiting the restriction
[35:11] of short-term rentals or Senate Bill 180.
[35:14] Some of the other issues they brought
forward are actually already addressed.
[35:18] They may not be specifically in this code,
but as Mr.
[35:21] Austin mentioned, they are still beholden
to any other ordinance within the city.
[35:26] You know, we see common violations—
building without permit, trash, noise,
[35:31] building without permit, trash, noise,
parking—
[35:31] those are all violations that get to be
handled in those city codes.
[35:35] They don't have to be specifically spelled
out in the short-term violation in order
[35:40] us— in order for us to cite a short-term
rental for those violations.
[35:44] I think it— in reading what people have
submitted,
[35:49] it seems that they are just completely
unable to reach the people who are
[35:55] unable to reach the people who are
supposed
[35:56] to be managing these Airbnbs. They're just
MIA.
[36:00] They may not even live in the state or
city.
[36:04] So if that person is not actively
involved,
[36:07] and even though having somebody officially
designated,
[36:12] I don't think that would violate—
[36:15] I don't think making stricter requirements
for the person who's designated as the
[36:22] property manager overseer of that Airbnb
to have backup people if they're out of
[36:29] town, or who's the 24-hour person if
you're managing—
[36:33] a lot of these are corporations, so if
they're managing multiple Airbnbs,
[36:39] they should have a 24-hour maintenance
property manager person that people could
[36:46] contact. I think it would be good to have
more language in the revision that would
[36:53] address those concerns. That wouldn't be
prohibitive in any way, I don't think.
[37:00] I mean, I'm not a lawyer,
[37:02] but I don't think it would be prohibitive
to Senate Bill 180.
[37:08] Hi, good evening. Hi, Sarah Allen, the
city attorney.
[37:11] Just to— a lot of the concerns are
actually Going to be addressed in the
[37:16] actually Going to be addressed in the
chronic
[37:16] nuisance. So, for example, one, you
bringing up the designated individual,
[37:21] if they're not responsive.
[37:23] So once we've identified that we've got
this chronic nuisance,
[37:27] and whether it's from failing to fill out
the form accurately,
[37:31] but a collective of nuisance activities,
they go on,
[37:35] they have an option for a nuisance plan.
[37:37] And because the enforcement component of
this isn't before you, So, you know,
[37:42] if they're not going to be able to pay for
it,
[37:45] that's why there's some additional
questions.
[37:48] But they have the ability to put them on a
plan.
[37:51] And so one of those plans would be 24/7
contact.
[37:55] We can— there's been some jurisdictions
that have required them to have security,
[38:00] that have required them to check in, you
know, frequently,
[38:04] depending on the level of nuisance.
[38:06] Speaking to some of the emails that we
received, you know,
[38:10] one of the issues I saw earlier was about
the parking.
[38:13] is it identifies the permitted parking,
how many spots,
[38:17] and then there has to be a location.
[38:20] So they, they have to identify as part of
their registration,
[38:24] this is where the cars can park.
[38:26] So that makes the enforcement much easier,
[38:28] and that's enforcement that's easier for a
code enforcement officer rather than
[38:34] strictly relying on police,
[38:35] which those would be more of the egregious
late-night nuisance activity.
[38:40] But some of the day-to-day stuff that
falls within the standard purview of code
[38:45] would be addressed. So, um,
[38:47] there are methods in the chronic nuisance
ordinance that would allow us to
[38:52] progressively address these.
[38:54] Um, these— they— these property owners are
property owners.
[38:58] They do have some property rights.
[39:00] So we still need to ensure that we're
providing due process for everybody, um,
[39:05] and balancing that with the nuisance
activity that's impeding their neighboring
[39:10] property owners. So we do have that.
[39:13] We've got a process that allows us to
implement these maybe stricter enforcement
[39:18] implement these maybe stricter enforcement
and
[39:18] tracking methodologies.
[39:20] But we need to be able to track it,
provide justification, due process,
[39:24] give them notice. So that is worked into
the other component,
[39:28] which is why this is coming forward in 2
different parts. Got it. Thank you.
[39:33] Ms. Allen, before you go, I have a
question.
[39:37] So, in Ellis County last year passed
short-term rental regulations for
[39:42] unincorporated. Our ordinance seems
watered down in comparison to that.
[39:47] I understand we have a difference with the
occupancy in our land code,
[39:52] so we can't really do anything about that
because of Senate Bill 180.
[39:57] But the certificate of use for making sure
the life safety standards are met,
[40:03] Having a detailed, drawn parking plan, not
just designating a space.
[40:08] Those were all things that were included
in the county's ordinance.
[40:12] And they had no— correct me if I'm wrong—
[40:15] they were like Largo and had no
regulations on short-term rentals before
[40:21] regulations on short-term rentals before
2011?
[40:21] I am not sure about their preemption. I
did look at that code.
[40:25] So, I think we're on the same page.
[40:27] There's— it's just more verbose,
[40:29] but requiring them to have a parking plan
that identifies the number and location of
[40:35] parking. I'm not sure we need plans rather
than we have a parking spot here and,
[40:40] you know, this is the front of the house
and this is where they're parking.
[40:44] So we still have the same requirements. We
do not have a certificate of use.
[40:49] That would require implementation of a
program we don't have.
[40:53] So we're going with the registration. It's
more practical.
[40:58] challenging.
[40:59] There's been some questions about
challenging, whereas, you know,
[41:03] requiring a registration that's consistent
with something we have already on the
[41:09] books is a lot less likely to be
challenged. It gives us a lot more room.
[41:14] And so that was something we were
balancing, looking at,
[41:18] that we're not adding new regulations.
We're not making it more burdensome.
[41:24] We're just saying, okay, this is what we
require,
[41:27] and so we're clarifying this is how we
need to establish that.
[41:32] But the requirements are the same. It's
just maybe it's not—
[41:38] I get what you're saying.
[41:39] We're still requiring it. We're just not
using as many words.
[41:42] Just to clarify, Pinellas County,
[41:44] their short-term vacation rental ordinance
is actually in their code of ordinances,
[41:47] not their comprehensive development codes.
[41:49] I've actually spoken to a few Pinellas
County staff.
[41:52] That's sort of— they feel like they're not
as beholden to Senate Bill 180 as we do.
[41:56] Okay.
[41:57] That makes a lot of sense, actually.
[41:59] The one thing I did have, last question
for you, is I know when we did our CRD,
[42:05] I think for the Clearwater Largo Road
District,
[42:09] we put specific language in there that
wouldn't go into effect until Senate Bill
[42:14] wouldn't go into effect until Senate Bill
180
[42:15] expires. Why are we not doing this here?
[42:17] So that's not exactly the case.
[42:20] So we carved out— we specifically wrote
that ordinance with the understanding that
[42:25] we were not putting anything in there that
was more restrictive or burdensome per
[42:31] Senate Bill 180. That caveat language at
the top was basically indicating that if
[42:36] for whatever reason, you know,
[42:38] because we added so much new language per
those sections by, you know,
[42:43] adding all that related to both CRDs,
[42:45] that if for whatever reason there was
something we added that did happen to,
[42:50] you know, essentially we missed something
and it did happen to be more restrictive
[42:56] or burdensome than say what a development
could have done under a commercial general
[43:01] category that was now brought into that,
[43:04] that whatever was less restrictive would
essentially govern until the expiration of
[43:10] Senate Bill 180.
[43:11] Okay.
[43:12] I actually wrote parking down and circled
it in big letters before you came to the
[43:15] podium there. Um, when someone brings a
business into Largo,
[43:18] they're required to have a certain number
of parking spaces to suit the building and
[43:22] the type of business. Why can't we do that
for the, uh, these vacation rentals?
[43:26] If they have X number of rooms,
[43:28] They need to have a requirement to have a
certain amount of parking available for
[43:33] those rooms. Well, they're limited by
parking already in the code.
[43:37] They're already limited. So when they have
that many cars, that's a violation.
[43:41] The— but you have to balance that with
where all the single-family homes are
[43:46] where all the single-family homes are
subject
[43:46] to the same parking requirements.
[43:48] You have a lot of people over for a
holiday dinner,
[43:51] we're not necessarily going to give you a
code violation.
[43:55] But, you know, we do have— we now have
this language in there,
[43:59] and so we've identified that this is sort
of chronic,
[44:02] and they can go out and they have the
parking plan.
[44:05] So we do have parking limitations on these
properties.
[44:08] It's how do you necessarily know that
it's, you know, for them?
[44:12] So there are some challenges.
[44:14] This just makes it a little easier for us
to enforce rather than You know,
[44:18] if they were to go now, it's,
[44:20] I'm going to knock on everyone's door and
identify whose car and where they're
[44:25] coming from, which house they're coming
from.
[44:27] Mm-hmm.
[44:27] So it makes it a little bit easier. And
then their burden goes back on them.
[44:33] We cite for the code. They have to
establish that it wasn't them.
[44:37] So some of this is just to address some of
those things.
[44:41] And to the Senate Bill 180 language,
[44:43] the preemption that we're governed by
actually provides for a cause of action
[44:48] actually provides for a cause of action
for
[44:48] any resident. if we were in violation of
it.
[44:51] So you don't want to pass a code that you
know is in violation of Senate Bill 180
[44:57] because you open yourself up to being
challenged by anybody.
[45:01] They don't necessarily have to be
subjected to it. Is the occupants—
[45:06] I read something from one of our citizens
about the occupancy.
[45:10] Can you speak a little bit to that?
[45:13] Because that would be kind of hard to
enforce,
[45:16] like if they have so many bedrooms So you
notice some activity coming and going.
[45:21] How do you address that? Absolutely.
[45:24] So the occupancy is— it is challenging to
enforce from that perspective.
[45:28] Obviously, because of Senate Bill 180, we
can't reduce occupancy.
[45:33] That's clearly a more burdensome
development regulation.
[45:37] The reason that it is beneficial in this
context for short-term rentals is when
[45:42] context for short-term rentals is when
they
[45:42] register and they identify this is what
the occupancy is permitted for that home,
[45:48] it's much easier for code enforcement,
'cause then when you do that,
[45:52] you also add language that says if you
violate,
[45:56] if you advertise for a higher occupancy,
that's a violation.
[46:00] Mm-hmm.
[46:00] And so it, what it does is it creates the
easier evidence for us to say, okay,
[46:05] your occupancy is 10, but you're
advertising this,
[46:09] which we can just print out as for 22
people, sleeps up to 22.
[46:13] And so then that's just a violation. So
then you can add that to the violation.
[46:18] It doesn't solve the problem.
[46:20] It isn't a magic pill that now they're
shut down automatically.
[46:24] It just gives us another avenue of
recourse to address some of the issues.
[46:29] Without that advertising language,
[46:31] then you are in a challenge of how do you
know if they're occupying it or not?
[46:36] So you add it with the language about
advertising.
[46:39] Does anyone have any other questions for
Ms. Allen?
[46:44] I think my question may be for Chase or
Sherri.
[46:46] Yeah, I have more questions. I didn't want
to make you stand up.
[46:49] Okay, I'll get up if I need to. Thank you.
[46:51] Uh, Miss Hall.
[46:53] Um, so, uh, one of the comments was
regarding a physical on-site inspection
[47:00] requirement, um, and we have a volunteer
police department.
[47:06] We have cars that say volunteer, and
they're part of—
[47:11] there's some kind of volunteer for the
Largo Police Department.
[47:16] I don't know what their limitations are. I
don't know what their role is.
[47:23] But would we be able to utilize them to do
some of the enforcement?
[47:30] So we are actually adding staff,
[47:31] we'll have an additional code officer who
will just be doing short-term rental
[47:36] inspections, that'll be their primary
duty.
[47:38] I believe we are also adding a fire
inspector because there is both a
[47:42] inspector because there is both a
community
[47:42] standards inspection and a fire
inspection.
[47:44] So those 2 new inspectors will primarily
be handling,
[47:47] handling just the short-term rental
inspections.
[47:50] And those are requirements to operate.
[47:52] So if you don't have those inspections,
okay, you're in violation.
[47:56] We can't stop you from operating, but you
would be found in violation.
[47:59] We would bring those violations in front
of the code board,
[48:03] and the code board would then, you know,
[48:05] make their decision based on the evidence
we provide.
[48:09] And have you thought about having somebody
on code
[48:14] enforcement staff, one of the officers on
call for
[48:19] after-hours issues?
[48:21] We've had discussions on it, yes.
[48:22] Okay.
[48:23] Okay. So I'm going to ask one more. Go
ahead, Ms.— Chase, one—
[48:28] some of the comments that we've seen from
the citizens refer to not being able to
[48:33] track and be aware of the status of a code
issue.
[48:35] Is there such a vehicle that people can
actually see what's gone on,
[48:39] what's going on, and what's transpired?
Yes.
[48:41] So currently, we are handling all
short-term rentals as code cases.
[48:45] So with our current software called LCAP,
you can go in if you know the address,
[48:50] or if you have a case number, you can
literally type that in the search bar,
[48:55] and it'll bring up and show you the
status.
[48:57] And, you know, what the current situation
is on that property.
[49:01] So there are ways online you can check.
[49:04] Anyone can check?
[49:04] I could just do that as a random—
[49:05] okay.
[49:06] Okay, but you need the case number?
[49:08] Or the address.
[49:09] Or the address. Okay.
[49:11] Because if you search by address, it would
show you everything related,
[49:13] whether it was a code case, a permit, but
then you'd be able to click and see, oh,
[49:16] there's a short-term rental violation. Let
me see what's going on there.
[49:19] Okay. Have we looked at our surrounding
communities, Indian Ranch, Madera?
[49:24] You know, how are they addressing this?
[49:27] Because I assume that all of short-term
vacation rentals have increased.
[49:35] They have, and, you know,
[49:36] some communities have been more aggressive
in their ordinance,
[49:40] and as Attorney Allen mentioned,
[49:41] they are actually facing some legal
challenges based on the languages they
[49:46] challenges based on the languages they
have in
[49:46] their ordinance. So we have to be careful,
not just Senate Bill 180,
[49:50] but the state has made it very clear that
they don't like codes written specifically
[49:54] targeting short-term rentals. They've
tried passing legislation to ban them.
[49:58] And I think that's a good point.
[50:00] of legislation in the past, haven't been
successful yet,
[50:03] but they have tried to advance legislation
saying, hey,
[50:06] you can't write codes targeting short-term
rentals.
[50:09] It's got to be for your community as a
whole.
[50:11] So that's why when it comes to trash,
parking, noise, any of those things,
[50:15] we utilize what's already in our code of
ordinances for these properties.
[50:19] That's interesting.
[50:20] Okay. And so I'm going to go ahead.
[50:22] I just— I know we all have more questions,
[50:24] but I think it's time to open it up to the
public and hear from them.
[50:28] I did want you guys, though,
[50:29] to hear a little bit of our conversation
and where we were at so you weren't coming
[50:34] in blind when you were addressing us.
[50:36] So that's— normally we would have gone
straight to citizens' comment,
[50:39] but I wanted you to hear those answers and
questions. So whenever we're ready, Ms.
[50:43] Jarvis. Okay.
[50:44] We have 11 cards. First, Stephen Ives.
[50:48] Can you come up to the microphone, please?
[50:56] Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Ives.
[50:58] Thank you so much. Just right up at the
podium here.
[51:02] Well, I, I'm currently waiting for about 3
returns from the police department to
[51:08] return my calls over the last couple of
months about calling on violations over 10
[51:14] o'clock. And when I call them initially,
One police department couldn't handle it.
[51:20] They said, on these days we don't handle
it, but you call me.
[51:24] And he gave me another number and I called
them and they said, okay, well,
[51:29] if somebody, you know, if we can handle
it, we will, we do it.
[51:34] And so I know that I'm not getting too
much support there.
[51:38] Now, the other thing is, what I'm hearing
is this is a loser, okay?
[51:43] Financially a loser. Why do you want to
keep it? Just shut it down.
[51:47] What do you want to do this for? It
doesn't make sense.
[51:51] Everybody has the same problems.
[51:54] These people go in there, they're loud,
they're rude, and they have a ton of cars,
[51:59] and it's not their neighborhood, and
they're not just short-term.
[52:04] They're only there for usually a week, if
that. It doesn't make sense.
[52:09] It just poisons the neighborhood. It just
does.
[52:12] So, I mean, I've been living across 3
Airbnbs.
[52:16] I live on Allen Creek, and, uh, and, and
they're just,
[52:20] they're just having a great time, you
know. They're having a good time.
[52:25] It's about 20, 30 people. That's probably
not what they say is in there.
[52:30] And it's just, it just doesn't make any
sense.
[52:33] So now that I'm listening to that, it's a
problem for you to manage. Why manage it?
[52:39] Shut it down.
[52:40] We can't.
[52:40] We don't need It's just a bother to us,
and and it's very unsafe.
[52:45] There's things that go on, and I've
reported a couple of things, and and
[52:49] reported a couple of things, and and
again,
[52:50] I haven't heard anything about them.
[52:52] But it's very unsafe,
[52:53] and I'm sure there are things happening
that that you probably won't let us know
[52:59] what's going on, and it should be shut
down. That's what you got to do.
[53:03] Take care of it that way. You're in
charge. It's a problem.
[53:07] You're not going to make any money here.
So that's all I have to say.
[53:12] Thank you so much. Now, we're normally not
going to have a front and back dialogue.
[53:17] I just want to address something on behalf
of this board and staff.
[53:22] A lot of us agree 100% with what this
gentleman just said,
[53:26] but the state has taken away our right to
be able to ban short-term rentals.
[53:31] So I would— we are trying to do everything
we can,
[53:34] and this board is going to ask as many
questions as we can to make our
[53:39] questions as we can to make our
restrictions
[53:39] as tight as possible within the legal
bounds the state of Florida has given us.
[53:45] But if you want real change, you do need
to reach out to your state legislatures,
[53:50] and they need to change the law to allow
us to have home rule and be able to
[53:55] regulate these items. What's their opinion
about keeping it?
[53:59] You would have to ask them. They're in
Tallahassee. I can't speak for them.
[54:04] Thank you so much. Next.
[54:05] Okay.
[54:07] Dagan Harris.
[54:07] I'm Dagan Harris. I'm at 1914 Cope Lane,
and I can tell you I am frustrated beyond.
[54:13] And what I've heard today just pisses me—
frustrates me more.
[54:18] What I hear is you're going to probably
charge us some more taxes.
[54:23] I need more people. I need more software,
which is ridiculous. We have AI now.
[54:28] There's a way to solve this better,
faster.
[54:31] I can't believe we haven't got to that
point.
[54:35] You got code enforcement, what, 4 to 6?
Take one of them.
[54:39] She just said this is a high priority for
us.
[54:42] Take one, take 2, and be a nuisance to the
people who are a nuisance to us.
[54:48] All I hear is giving fines. They don't
talk. Knock on their doors.
[54:52] Make their, their customers frustrated
because they're leaving trash out there.
[54:58] Thank you.
[54:59] their bin doors either parking all over
the place.
[55:02] You have that power to do something.
Finally, you said, well, we can't do
[55:07] Finally, you said, well, we can't do
anything.
[55:08] It's up to the state legislation. Well,
that's true.
[55:11] But there is something that you guys can
do.
[55:14] And you are part of the Florida League of
Cities.
[55:17] There's 411-ish counties, cities where
their attorneys collect.
[55:21] And all of you who know this is a problem
and come together as one,
[55:25] quit fighting them individually.
[55:27] Thank you.
[55:28] And go up there and do something about it.
Quit putting it on us.
[55:31] You have the ability, but you're doing
nothing. You're giving us paperwork.
[55:35] We're going to do this. We're going to
raise your taxes.
[55:38] But we don't want to make it too nuisance
for them as they're making nuisance for
[55:42] us. What I'd love to see is give— instead
of us asking you for the data,
[55:46] show me the data of where the calls— we'll
give you the data all day long.
[55:50] You can make an online form.
[55:51] We can fill it out, give you pictures,
tell us what you need.
[55:55] We'll give you as much data as you want.
[55:57] You should be able to share that data
today so that we know.
[56:00] You know your top 4 to 5 nuisances. Start
with them. Don't go hit all 400.
[56:04] That'll take forever. Take the top 5. Hit
them first.
[56:06] And when you're done with them, they'll
start talking. Go to the next one.
[56:10] And as you're doing that, go to the city.
Take the league, the city league, 411.
[56:14] Go do something about it. Go talk with us.
You guys are on that board.
[56:18] What are you doing? I don't— I see nothing
on that board talking about this.
[56:22] Thank you.
[56:23] So I'd love to see you get on that board
and do something about it and go be a
[56:27] nuisance to the top one. Start there. You
got the, um, the code enforcement.
[56:31] Pick a couple of those and do something.
We don't need to add more.
[56:34] Is that—
[56:35] what's the priority? She just said that's
the highest priority. Adjust them.
[56:40] Show us you mean it, not talk about it.
Thank you. Thank you.
[56:44] And if we got to do— we're good.
[56:46] We'll go as long as we need to tonight, to
be honest.
[56:50] We're gonna, we're gonna talk this out as
a community.
[56:53] I want you all to know we are not elected
officials.
[56:56] We are all citizen volunteers up here. We
do not make a single penny doing this.
[57:01] So I, I just— we are not members of the
Florida League of Cities.
[57:06] We are just regular citizens like you who
are trying to serve our community and
[57:11] advise our commission. Um, next person.
[57:13] Okay.
[57:14] Yes, I am your elected, and I will say I'm
sorry.
[57:21] Hello.
[57:21] I, I'm one of your electeds and I'm a
member of the Florida League of Cities,
[57:25] and I will tell you that that is
something, uh,
[57:28] all the cities have been talking about on
this, their lawyers, uh, and staff,
[57:32] and have been directing our staff how to
do this.
[57:35] Um, so this is something,
[57:36] if you really truly want change and give
it back to us and give this board a
[57:40] direction, is to reach out to your state
legislators and your governor and let them
[57:45] know to give this back to us.
[57:47] Home rule.
[57:47] How many cities?
[57:48] 411.
[57:49] I question that. And I'll get you the
information for it.
[57:53] I absolutely will. Because trust me,
[57:55] we've sat in many meetings with Florida
League of Cities and challenged it.
[57:58] Every time I've gone up to Tallahassee to
lobby up there,
[58:01] their lawyers have been there trying to
convince legislators that this law is
[58:04] affecting cities.
[58:06] So I'll get you the complete information.
[58:07] I'll also get your state representatives'
information to you.
[58:10] Because honestly, I sometimes question why
aren't they at these meetings helping us
[58:14] out.
[58:15] So thank you.
[58:15] And one thing that just Commissioner Smith
made me think of too is Commissioner
[58:20] Flowers, who's a county commissioner.
[58:22] She's actually the president of the
Florida League of Counties.
[58:26] Oh, no, no, you're fine.
[58:29] It is a different organization, but it
represents all the counties in our state,
[58:34] and she has been pushing very hard to talk
to the legislature about this too.
[58:38] So on every, on every level, we are trying
to get that communication out.
[58:43] I appreciate that. I would love to see the
code enforcement start being nuanced.
[58:47] And I promise you we're going to talk
about that later.
[58:51] So I promise you, once we get through
public comment, we have—
[58:54] we're going to talk much more about that.
[58:57] Okay.
[58:59] Denae Goltepe.
[59:01] Hi, everybody.
[59:08] Hi.
[59:08] I'm a little out of my comfort zone here.
[59:11] Public speaking is just something that
brings me a lot of anxiety,
[59:15] but I feel that I have to do this today
because my situation is a little bit
[59:19] because my situation is a little bit
unique
[59:19] other than a lot of people's because,
first of all, my name is Danae Goltepe.
[59:24] I live at 1983 Bel Air Road. My house is
the one that is in the red.
[59:28] And if you can see this, this is Bel Air
Road. This is my house. This is 1995.
[59:34] I'm sorry.
[59:35] Bel Air Road. This is an Airbnb.
[59:38] They have to use my private property, my
easement, to make—
[59:43] to basically access their property.
[59:46] This is not just a noise issue.
[59:48] It affects my property, my safety, and my
quality of life.
[59:53] Um, we own and maintain this private road
that provides access to this rental.
[59:58] I pay for its upkeep, and yet it is now
heavily used by guests, many guests.
[1:00:04] I don't know if you saw on here, this
house is advertised for 16 people. 16.
[1:00:10] And it always has 16 people.
[1:00:13] My driveway, it is getting wear and tear.
There's congestion.
[1:00:18] And it's also a one-lane road that dead
ends into my property,
[1:00:22] which is surrounded by water.
[1:00:24] That's my only way in and out.
[1:00:27] One of the reasons I'm standing here to
talk talk about is because we've had
[1:00:30] talk talk about is because we've had
several
[1:00:31] safety issues.
[1:00:32] One of them happened on August 27th, 2025.
[1:00:36] This is kind of like a picture of my,
[1:00:39] my long driveway.
[1:00:41] I mean, it's, it's 2/10 of a mile long.
This is a picture of the driveway.
[1:00:45] This man, Life Flight had to be called.
[1:00:48] He hit a pediatric patient.
[1:00:52] They had to shut down Bel Air Boulevard
and he had to be life flighted.
[1:00:56] He was— they speed, they don't follow the
stop sign.
[1:00:58] There's— I mean, there was over 100 people
at this wedding.
[1:01:02] I couldn't—
[1:01:02] I can't leave my house. The traffic is
unbelievable.
[1:01:06] On top of incidences like that, I don't
know if you could tell,
[1:01:09] I'm 5 feet tall, I'm 120 pounds.
[1:01:11] Sometimes there's incidences where I have
to drive.
[1:01:14] Like, I don't even ride my bike to the
park anymore because there have been times
[1:01:19] there's 20 drunk men waiting for an Uber
On my driveway, I've been catcalled.
[1:01:25] I've been called white trash by telling
people to slow down.
[1:01:29] I've been referred to as a bitch, and this
is all on my own property.
[1:01:34] Um, I also brought a tax bill, uh, because
I want you to know this,
[1:01:39] that $19,416.62 is what I paid in taxes
for my piece of property in 2025. Thank
[1:01:45] for my piece of property in 2025. Thank
you.
[1:01:45] I've had that property since 2015, so
probably since 2018 when we built that,
[1:01:50] I've probably put over 6 figures into that
house for taxes, and I don't feel safe.
[1:01:56] And they have to use my private property
to access that house.
[1:02:01] So how are we going to address something
like this? One, I have to pay for all
[1:02:06] like this? One, I have to pay for all
that.
[1:02:07] The city of Largo is not offering me money
to come pave my driveway.
[1:02:11] And so, but then again, how are we going
to stop these people, like, just
[1:02:17] to stop these people, like, just
lingering.
[1:02:18] I mean, it's happened numerous times, and
I'm up here literally shaking.
[1:02:21] So thank you for your time.
[1:02:23] Thank you so much. I'm so sorry for what
you're going through.
[1:02:26] Thank you.
[1:02:26] I just want to say to the citizen that
[1:02:32] spoke, I am truly sorry this is happening
to
[1:02:39] you.
[1:02:39] You should feel safe in your community.
[1:02:42] Honestly, I really don't. I feel trapped
in that house.
[1:02:45] But I'd like to see an ordinance made
that, you know,
[1:02:48] houses that have to use easements or have
to use other people's property,
[1:02:53] that they limit those. They cannot be like
any shorter than 30 days.
[1:02:57] We can eliminate some of those weddings
and those bachelor parties and those 20
[1:03:01] drunk men lingering on my private
property.
[1:03:04] Thank you for taking the time to listen to
me.
[1:03:07] Thank you.
[1:03:08] Thank you for sharing your story. It means
a lot. Okay.
[1:03:15] Jeff Albenson.
[1:03:15] Hello. I'm Jeff Albenson.
[1:03:18] I have to tell you I'm an attorney, not
that that matters,
[1:03:23] and not that I'm here in any kind of
attorney capacity,
[1:03:28] but the bar rules suggest that I make sure
you guys know that.
[1:03:33] I also at times work in the civic sector,
[1:03:37] so I'm pretty familiar with what your job
is and what your role is.
[1:03:42] I don't want to waste a bunch of time
talking about how ridiculous 180 is and
[1:03:49] talking about how ridiculous 180 is and
what
[1:03:50] the state has done to us because there's
nothing you folks can do about it.
[1:03:56] I do want to give you a little bit of an
idea about how—
[1:04:01] what I think about this ordinance change.
[1:04:05] And then I want to give you a little bit
of information.
[1:04:10] My real concern is with the life safety
issues that are presented by these
[1:04:16] properties, and I'll talk about that in
just a second.
[1:04:21] What, what I'm concerned with in regard to
this proposed ordinance,
[1:04:27] this proposed legislation, is that, um,
there's a requirement for registration,
[1:04:34] but there are no teeth to that
requirement.
[1:04:37] There's nothing in there that says if you
don't comply,
[1:04:42] we'll pull your registration, we'll pull
your ability to run your business.
[1:04:49] That should be in there, and you have the
right under the state law To do that,
[1:04:56] to say exactly that.
[1:04:57] Because if if you have the right to
require a registration,
[1:05:03] then you have the right to enforce that
registration.
[1:05:07] And there's nothing in here to take take
up with that.
[1:05:12] There's a couple things that I'm a little
confused about.
[1:05:17] Early in the in the ordinance, it talks
about.
[1:05:21] Complying with the Uniform Fire Safety
Standards for transient public lodging,
[1:05:28] but then when you jump down to the pool,
[1:05:31] it just says that there's a requirement to
comply with the residential pool,
[1:05:38] which is basically have a fence around it.
This is what I want to tell you, okay?
[1:05:45] Every city is dealing with this kind of
stuff.
[1:05:49] every area, and especially places like we
have, nice, close to the beaches,
[1:05:56] plenty of stuff to do and places to eat
and all of that.
[1:06:01] West Manatee— oh, I'm sorry, West Manatee
dealt with the same situation.
[1:06:07] They beefed up their transient, you know,
whatever they called their ordinance.
[1:06:14] Before they did, and this, this is one of
the things that's blowing me away here,
[1:06:21] that, that there's— we don't even know how
many of these exist.
[1:06:26] It says between 400 and 600. That's a huge
difference.
[1:06:31] And I think we, we should know. I'm sorry.
[1:06:35] No, you can finish your sentence.
[1:06:36] Okay, thank you. So, um,
[1:06:38] We should know how many there are because
we should be collecting at least the
[1:06:46] registration fee, and the registration fee
should reflect the idea that we have
[1:06:53] to hire a new code inspector and a new
person at the fire department,
[1:07:00] which I'm going to guess is $80,000,
$90,000,
[1:07:04] $100,000 a year salary for the fire, and I
don't know, $50,000, $60,000,
[1:07:11] $70,000 for the code. That's a lot of
money.
[1:07:16] When West Manatee looked at their stats
before—
[1:07:20] this is the West Manatee Special Fire
Control District—
[1:07:25] when they looked at their statistics, once
they enacted a new ordinance,
[1:07:32] the fire rate went down.
[1:07:35] Before they enacted that new legislation,
Over 70, I think it was 73 or 74,
[1:07:42] but it's over 70% of the structural
residential fires in their fire control
[1:07:49] district, which is about the same size as
Pinellas Suncoast.
[1:07:55] Over 70% of the fires were at short-term
rentals.
[1:08:00] That tells you the kind of burden that
these entities I do need you to wrap it
[1:08:07] up.
[1:08:08] I just wanted you to finish your thought.
[1:08:09] 100% of the drownings or near drownings
were at short-term rentals.
[1:08:14] When they changed their ordinance and they
beefed it up and they put some teeth in
[1:08:20] where they could pull certificates,
[1:08:22] it went down to 14% of the fires and zero
of the drownings.
[1:08:27] drownings near drownings.
[1:08:29] So that's the kind of thing that I'd like
to see you folks do.
[1:08:33] I know what your limitations are, and I
appreciate it,
[1:08:37] and I'm sorry to everybody for going over,
[1:08:40] but I think it's important information to
understand how this impacts the community
[1:08:46] long-term.
[1:08:47] Thank you. Thank you so much, sir.
[1:08:54] Michael Schaefer.
[1:09:00] Good evening, everyone.
[1:09:01] Good evening.
[1:09:02] My name is Michael Schaefer. I live at 706
Shore Drive in Largo.
[1:09:06] I live on, um, Ellen's Creek, if you're
familiar with Ellen's Creek.
[1:09:10] I have 2 VRBOs on the opposite side of the
water from me,
[1:09:14] and has been a complete nightmare for us.
[1:09:17] When my wife and I bought the house almost
6 years to the day,
[1:09:21] we thought it would be a good place to
retire. My wife's a flight attendant at
[1:09:26] retire. My wife's a flight attendant at
St.
[1:09:26] Pete Clearwater Airport for Allegiant.
It's close to her work.
[1:09:30] We figured we could see there. Boy, did
that change in early 2023.
[1:09:35] I'm sorry, yeah, early 2023.
[1:09:37] I know your hands are tied, but it's been
a complete nightmare for us now.
[1:09:42] I've had so many run-ins with the people
across.
[1:09:45] I don't have to worry about parking, as
many of these people do, because I have.
[1:09:50] 300, 200 feet of water. But they're down
here from Michigan, wherever.
[1:09:55] They're here to party. I get it. They're
here to Florida, have a good time.
[1:10:00] They have a—
[1:10:01] they feel like they have a right,
[1:10:03] they have an entitlement because they paid
to be here.
[1:10:06] But what about my rights as a homeowner?
[1:10:09] I have, between my homeowner's insurance,
my property taxes, everything,
[1:10:13] I'm out $16,000 a year, and it goes up all
the time.
[1:10:17] I have rights as a homeowner as well.
[1:10:19] Again, I know you— your hands are tied,
but something's got to give.
[1:10:23] Short-term rental does not belong in a
residential area. It's a business.
[1:10:28] They're businesses. They don't belong in a
residential area.
[1:10:32] We get a constant stream of strangers. I
don't know who they are.
[1:10:36] My wife, when she gets home from work, my
one thing— it's almost a joke now.
[1:10:41] We said, We got a new group over there.
[1:10:43] I can't say they're all bad, but it's
almost a joke because are they going to
[1:10:48] almost a joke because are they going to
be—
[1:10:48] are they going to oblige by the rules? Are
they just going to be insane?
[1:10:53] We're talking about this. The guy right
across the street, he lives in California.
[1:10:58] He doesn't care. He doesn't care. And
we've had the police out there numerous
[1:11:03] we've had the police out there numerous
times.
[1:11:03] You said you're short-staffed with police.
[1:11:06] They'll show up an hour and a half, 2
hours.
[1:11:08] The people across the street with their
party, they'll turn the music up.
[1:11:13] Because they know the cops aren't going to
be out there for a while.
[1:11:17] They almost thumb their noses at you. So
something has to give, folks.
[1:11:22] Really, that's all I have to say.
[1:11:24] Thank you.
[1:11:24] Thank you. David Thornton. 2196 Lawrence
Drive.
[1:11:29] I was going to read a brief statement.
[1:11:33] The city attorney, as you well know,
[1:11:36] has said with 180 can't change the
occupancy limits right now.
[1:11:43] Well, that means that the 2 homes that are
currently for sale on my street,
[1:11:50] Lawrence Drive, right now under the
current occupancy caps,
[1:11:56] they could put 41 renters in one of them,
54 in the other. How about that?
[1:12:03] Thank you.
[1:12:04] We already have one short-term rental on
our cul-de-sac.
[1:12:08] There's only 14 houses and one of them's a
short-term rental now.
[1:12:12] He took the 3-car garage, turned it into a
game room.
[1:12:16] He, uh, has pickleball courts out back.
He's turned it into 7 bedrooms and 13
[1:12:21] He's turned it into 7 bedrooms and 13
beds.
[1:12:22] He advertises as a pickleball resort on
Airbnb.
[1:12:25] If I wanted to live next to a resort, I'd
have bought a house next to a resort.
[1:12:31] I bought a house on a quiet cul-de-sac,
residentially zoned.
[1:12:35] So I'm not getting what I was looking for.
[1:12:38] And so because we don't have these
occupancy caps,
[1:12:41] then that means that this ordinance that
you're contemplating has to be very
[1:12:46] you're contemplating has to be very
robust.
[1:12:47] It's got to protect the health, safety,
and welfare of our neighborhoods.
[1:12:52] A detailed memo regarding some
deficiencies, or perceived deficiencies.
[1:12:57] Maybe once we understand it, maybe we
won't think they're deficiencies,
[1:13:02] but right now we think they're
deficiencies. So the perceived
[1:13:06] deficiencies. So the perceived
deficiencies— Dr.
[1:13:07] Callis, Dr. Mary Callis, I'm sure is
probably here,
[1:13:11] wrote a very detailed memo about the
perceived deficiencies.
[1:13:15] She also attached an ordinance from
Hillsborough County which is working on
[1:13:20] Hillsborough County which is working on
the same
[1:13:21] issue right now, and they have a draft
ordinance under review.
[1:13:25] Their ordinance looks more robust than
ours.
[1:13:28] And so my, my thought is it's not prudent
to go ahead and pass this ordinance if you
[1:13:34] don't stop— We've had communication.
[1:13:37] The city has been very good about
communicating with us,
[1:13:41] and the city attorney told us that she
only recently saw Dr.
[1:13:45] Callis's email and the attached
Hillsborough County ordinance.
[1:13:49] Well, I don't think it's prudent to go
ahead and pass this without saying to her,
[1:13:55] hey, go back, take another look at it.
[1:13:57] Let's see if we— what we can do to make
this more comprehensive, more robust.
[1:14:03] I like that word robust. More robust.
[1:14:05] And I want to be really clear,
[1:14:07] I am in no way criticizing the city
attorney or the staff.
[1:14:11] I mean, they've been very responsive to
us.
[1:14:14] I know this is the state's fault
primarily.
[1:14:17] I just think that when I've got a
situation where I could end up with 40 and
[1:14:23] situation where I could end up with 40 and
50
[1:14:23] people in houses on my street,
[1:14:25] that we should take the time to go back
and have the city attorney look at what
[1:14:30] they're doing in Hillsborough, look at all
of Dr.
[1:14:34] Callis's suggestions, and go through and
write an analysis and say point by point,
[1:14:40] I can't do this, or I can't do that, and
why.
[1:14:43] And if you do all that, then I'm happy you
did everything you could.
[1:14:47] But right now, I'm not in a position to
feel like everything that could be done
[1:14:53] feel like everything that could be done
has
[1:14:53] been done. So thank you for your—
[1:14:55] Thank you.
[1:14:56] Thank you.
[1:15:02] Lynnae W.
[1:15:09] Good evening. Um, first, I don't know if
there are any short-term rental, uh,
[1:15:13] owners here, but I want to address them
first.
[1:15:15] I don't know if there are any, but, um,
[1:15:17] the Largo residents wouldn't be here
pushing for change in the ordinances if
[1:15:21] pushing for change in the ordinances if
you
[1:15:21] obey the existing ordinances in the first
place.
[1:15:23] Instead, the majority disregard, disobey,
and abuse them on a daily basis.
[1:15:27] Ignore—
[1:15:28] Can you talk into the microphone, please?
[1:15:29] Okay, I'm sorry. Thank you.
[1:15:32] Hang on.
[1:15:33] Yep, I have something to say.
[1:15:34] Um, the majority disregard, disobey, and
abuse them on a daily basis,
[1:15:38] ignoring safety issues that affect both
the renters and the surrounding
[1:15:42] the renters and the surrounding
communities.
[1:15:43] You're operating as a business without
storefront,
[1:15:46] yet violating the very codes a typical
business would be required to uphold or
[1:15:50] business would be required to uphold or
they
[1:15:50] would be shut down. You need to
familiarize yourself with the local code
[1:15:54] familiarize yourself with the local code
and
[1:15:54] ordinances, including max capacity
occupants, monitor your properties daily,
[1:15:59] Learn when the trash goes out, make sure
the cans get brought in.
[1:16:02] And did you know that there's a trash
valet service that will take care of that
[1:16:07] valet service that will take care of that
for
[1:16:07] you? Post that information inside. Don't
allow overparking.
[1:16:10] Obtain proper permitting based on our
density and zoning regulations.
[1:16:14] And this applies to specifically a Blue
Gem Management that has been absolutely
[1:16:18] irresponsible in managing some of the
properties in our community.
[1:16:22] This also includes Airbnb hosts.
[1:16:24] You want to advertise that your property
is in a nice, quiet neighborhood,
[1:16:28] then you should treat it like a nice,
quiet neighborhood and keep it that way.
[1:16:32] Show some respect for those of us trying
to live our lives peacefully and enjoying
[1:16:37] our neighborhoods without having noise,
trash, parties, and overparking.
[1:16:41] We are not your babysitters. And then the
rest, I just wanted to address the board.
[1:16:46] Um, within— uh, while the new ordinance is
a start, um,
[1:16:49] we're way behind in many of the other
municipalities for the proposal for the
[1:16:53] ordinances, like Indian Rocks and Dunedin
and others. Okay, we're way behind.
[1:16:57] And the problem is, without enforcement,
strict enforcement, you know,
[1:17:01] it's very disheartening to those of us who
live here and pay our taxes that it's
[1:17:06] taken this long and that we still have to
fight so hard to get to this point.
[1:17:10] The members of our community are going to
be relentless in our pursuit of the laws
[1:17:15] and ordinances being obeyed and enforced
by the city, wherever that path leads.
[1:17:19] including legal action and media exposure,
so be it.
[1:17:22] And it's not a threat, it's just a fact.
[1:17:24] We are, we are going to do what we can to
protect our properties.
[1:17:28] We're not backing down. And let me repeat
that again: we are not backing down.
[1:17:32] We're standing our ground.
[1:17:34] Many hotels do not belong in residential
neighborhoods, period.
[1:17:37] If other Largo— if other local communities
can enforce it, so can Largo.
[1:17:41] And we will not stand by and allow our
neighborhoods to be run by business owners
[1:17:46] and property managers who only seek what's
best for their bank accounts accounts and
[1:17:51] could care less about the neighbors who
live in our communities.
[1:17:54] That's what I have to say.
[1:17:56] Thank you.
[1:17:56] Thank you. Beth McMullen. Evening. My name
is Beth McMullen.
[1:18:00] I live at 481 Harbor Drive South in Indian
Rocks Beach.
[1:18:04] Although I live in Indian Rocks Beach,
[1:18:07] my husband and I own 2 long-term rental
homes here in Largo.
[1:18:11] We are lifelong Pinellas County residents,
so we have an invest—
[1:18:15] a vested interest in this community and
its neighborhoods.
[1:18:20] Over the past several years,
[1:18:21] we've been involved in IRB navigating many
of the short-term rental challenges that
[1:18:27] Largo is now beginning to address.
[1:18:30] I've also attended your meetings and read
the proposed ordinance and also your
[1:18:35] workshops, and I want to thank the
planning board It's clear that a lot of
[1:18:40] planning board It's clear that a lot of
effort
[1:18:40] and thought has gone into developing this
proposal.
[1:18:44] I know many people are wondering if these
impacts are real,
[1:18:48] why can't the city just do more? I've
asked the same question.
[1:18:52] What I've learned is that Florida law
places real limits on what cities can do.
[1:18:58] More recently, SB 180 has made local
governments even more cautious about
[1:19:03] governments even more cautious about
adopting
[1:19:03] regulations that could be more considered
more restrictive or burdensome.
[1:19:08] As I understand it, those restrictions are
currently expected to remain in place
[1:19:14] until October 2027 unless the state law
changes sooner,
[1:19:18] and then you could get down to real work.
It doesn't mean the city is powerless.
[1:19:23] It means the city has to be strategic.
[1:19:26] After reading this proposed ordinance, I
believe you're laying a strong foundation.
[1:19:32] Registration, annual inspections,
[1:19:34] responsible party requirements and parking
plans are all important steps that should
[1:19:40] give the city better information and
stronger enforcement moving forward.
[1:19:45] And enforcement is the key here.
[1:19:47] My only request is this: as you move
forward towards the first and second
[1:19:52] forward towards the first and second
reading,
[1:19:53] please continue thinking about this
ordinance.
[1:19:56] Don't let this become the finish line. Let
it become the foundation.
[1:20:01] Continue collecting data, continuing
documenting Neighborhood impacts.
[1:20:05] Continue planning for what's next as the
state law evolves.
[1:20:10] Good ordinances aren't written all at
once.
[1:20:12] They're built over time, and you need this
information to build it.
[1:20:17] The thing I hope you will also consider as
this program develops is providing
[1:20:22] residents with an easy way to report
short-term rental violations and making
[1:20:28] short-term rental violations and making
sure
[1:20:28] that those complaints are documented and
tracked over time.
[1:20:32] Thank you.
[1:20:33] Something such as Granicus.
[1:20:35] Resident involvement and good
documentation can become the city's
[1:20:39] documentation can become the city's
greatest assets.
[1:20:40] Finally, I want to leave you with one
encouraging thought.
[1:20:44] Indian Rocks Beach recently adopted a
resolution committed to building—
[1:20:49] to build a coalition of municipalities
throughout Florida to advocate,
[1:20:54] advocate for greater local authority over
issues like this.
[1:20:58] We recognize that no one community is
going to solve this.
[1:21:02] Our city has already begun that effort,
[1:21:04] and my hope is that Largo will join Indian
Rocks Beach and other Florida communities
[1:21:10] in that statewide effort.
[1:21:12] Working together, we have a much stronger
voice in Tallahassee than any one city
[1:21:17] working alone. We've hired a lobbyist,
[1:21:20] and we've also hired a Tampa
communications PR firm for this coalition.
[1:21:24] Thank you.
[1:21:25] So please join us. Thank you. Thank you.
[1:21:33] Terry Conrad, or maybe it's Jerry.
[1:21:38] I'm sorry.
[1:21:43] Thank you all for your service. I
appreciate that.
[1:21:47] Chase and Cheryl, thank you for everything
you've done.
[1:21:52] I disagree with many of the speakers.
[1:21:55] I think you have a lot of stuff on the
books right now that is not being
[1:22:01] books right now that is not being
enforced.
[1:22:02] Um, I have a boat and vehicle sticking 5
feet out in the street across the street
[1:22:08] from me right this very moment.
[1:22:11] We had a Little League baseball team from
Charlotte, North Carolina a week ago.
[1:22:17] We've had our challenges. I know you have
yours.
[1:22:21] This low light's hard for me to see.
[1:22:24] I just wonder, instead of constantly
talking about what we can't do,
[1:22:30] let's figure out what we can do.
[1:22:33] Let's—
[1:22:34] has anyone, has anyone looked at deeds?
[1:22:37] Has anyone looked at how deeds are
transferred and the restrictions within
[1:22:43] transferred and the restrictions within
the deeds
[1:22:43] as they're transferred from owner to owner
and what is allowed in a neighborhood?
[1:22:50] It's a novel thought.
[1:22:52] The other thing is, I know Chase has
specifically said 3 occupants for 1
[1:22:58] specifically said 3 occupants for 1
off-street
[1:22:58] parking place. We've also said we can fine
people for advertising over that.
[1:23:04] We have— this place isn't even legally
permitted as far as I know right now.
[1:23:11] They just failed their fire inspection.
[1:23:14] They're at— they started out advertising
for 16 people.
[1:23:18] They reduced it when they got caught down
to 13. They have 2 parking places.
[1:23:24] They should be only allowed— that's what
we have right now in, in, in our bucket.
[1:23:31] Just failed fire inspection, still
operating. How does that work? I don't get
[1:23:37] operating. How does that work? I don't get
it.
[1:23:37] I mean, they're breaking the law.
[1:23:40] They're being fined every day.
[1:23:41] I Okay.
[1:23:44] I didn't say my address. 1845 Del Robles
Drive.
[1:23:49] Sorry.
[1:23:49] The posting on the new ordinance, I'm
told, and I don't remember. I've read it.
[1:23:56] I just got in from out of town today.
[1:23:59] But I'm told that the posting is for first
responders. That you're requiring.
[1:24:06] The posting should be for the people that
run this to come and address any issues.
[1:24:12] I mean, that should be—it should be
outside; it should be inside.
[1:24:18] It's supposed to be that one person is not
enough.
[1:24:22] Charge enough in the registration fees to
get two inspectors.
[1:24:27] You can't do it with one person. And you
need people available after hours.
[1:24:33] Most of the problems we have are after
hours. I mean, not all of them.
[1:24:39] We've been trying to address this, and,
and I, you know, I'm—
[1:24:44] let's find solutions with what we have in
place.
[1:24:48] And what I'm, what I'm hearing is we have
laws, we have ordinances, we have,
[1:24:55] we have all this stuff that's not together
in different departments.
[1:25:01] I And maybe it might be an idea to get it
all in one place. Thank you.
[1:25:06] Thank you.
[1:25:12] Patty Peterson.
[1:25:13] Hi. Good evening.
[1:25:21] Good evening.
[1:25:22] I didn't realize you guys were volunteers.
Thank you so much.
[1:25:25] I know this is a big chunk out of your
time with your families and
[1:25:30] friends.
[1:25:31] Um, I'm a real estate agent.
[1:25:33] Don't hate me. Um, one of my conundrums is
living at 1859 Del Robles Terrace and
[1:25:40] having— oh, sorry. Since 2017, we bought
our house.
[1:25:44] We now have at least 7 Airbnbs within a
half a Now, being a real estate agent,
[1:25:51] I can't pick and choose what my buyers
want to buy and why they want to buy it.
[1:25:58] However, it breaks my heart every time I
see one of the houses go up for sale,
[1:26:04] not necessarily my listing, and it gets
turned into an Airbnb.
[1:26:10] Now, are there some responsible Airbnb
hosts? Absolutely.
[1:26:15] My sister stayed at one right on the
corner of the end of our road.
[1:26:20] They are a lovely couple. They take good
care of the property.
[1:26:25] Their son lives nearby because they live
out of state,
[1:26:29] and they regulate their property.
[1:26:32] However, as you have heard over and over,
[1:26:35] there is a property right next to a
school, a religious Christian—
[1:26:40] Christian— yeah.
[1:26:41] 42.
[1:26:42] That I almost had a head-on collision last
week because they had the mini—
[1:26:50] the softball team, baseball, Little
League, 12 cars.
[1:26:54] On the curb.
[1:26:57] Yeah. I mean, that's endangering my life.
[1:26:59] That's endangering all of my wonderful
neighbors' life.
[1:27:04] That's endangering the parents with the
kids going to and from the school, St.
[1:27:09] Paul's, right there on Allen Creek.
[1:27:12] What if one of those cars does get in a
head-on collision and somebody dies
[1:27:18] head-on collision and somebody dies
because
[1:27:18] there's an unregulated, unpermitted,
unlicensed Airbnb running right there?
[1:27:24] It's a 3 or 4 bedroom home.
[1:27:27] Why are there 18 to 20 people in that
place with multiple vehicles?
[1:27:32] And this is not the first issue. There
have been parties till 3 AM.
[1:27:38] Thank you.
[1:27:38] The next-door neighbors had a 5-year-old,
couldn't get him to bed.
[1:27:42] You name it.
[1:27:42] I mean, it's just— it's a nightmare.
[1:27:45] I'm lucky I don't have an Airbnb right
next to me.
[1:27:49] But if I did, I'd be seeing you guys
probably pretty often. I have 38 seconds.
[1:27:55] There was one other thing I wanted to say.
[1:27:58] I do think there are very responsible
hosts.
[1:28:02] I think we need to make everybody
accountable and responsible.
[1:28:07] if we're going to continue to allow many
boutique hotels in our residential
[1:28:12] neighborhoods. But we also don't know who
is occupying some of these Airbnbs near a
[1:28:19] school or our own children.
[1:28:22] My child, what, 14-year-old son, walks the
dog at 10 o'clock at night.
[1:28:26] I am worried for his safety. So I'm done.
Thank you so much.
[1:28:30] Thank you.
[1:28:37] Richard Rodriguez.
[1:28:38] Thank you, guys. I appreciate your
service. And as you can tell, I am not a
[1:28:44] service. And as you can tell, I am not a
lawyer.
[1:28:44] I apologize for my attire. I've been on
call all night. Thank you for coming out.
[1:28:51] This is sort of the 3rd time I try to
address this,
[1:28:55] and you're hearing a lot of things that
are reflected in, in my neighborhood.
[1:29:01] I live in Carlton Estates. I'm 2280 Kings
Point Drive.
[1:29:05] A lot of my neighbors are here, too. I've
been there since 1990.
[1:29:10] The neighborhood was quiet. A lot of the
homes were waterfront.
[1:29:15] The homes ranged from 5,000 square feet,
roughly, and higher.
[1:29:19] So it's a higher-end, nice neighborhood.
Private road.
[1:29:24] The central part of our neighborhood, it's
a big loop road.
[1:29:28] 50% of the homes And at least the last 4
homes who have sold in our neighborhood
[1:29:34] homes who have sold in our neighborhood
are
[1:29:35] all short-term rentals. Not one single one
of those is like Ms.
[1:29:39] McMullen, where somebody lives nearby and
actually cares about the community.
[1:29:45] They are all— when you look them up, it's
the address LLC.
[1:29:50] 2 of them are owned by a company out of
Miami.
[1:29:53] Only one recently put a sign outside with
numbers to contact.
[1:29:58] The first meeting, I gave all the
addresses, I gave photos. What's happened?
[1:30:04] It's still happening.
[1:30:06] You know, we've had weddings, we have the
bridal parties,
[1:30:09] we have the bachelor parties.
[1:30:10] We had strippers come in one time, and
that was spoken by somebody else.
[1:30:14] You come in at night and there's cars
driving.
[1:30:17] On the 4th of July, it was like a teen,
you know,
[1:30:20] takeover of the whole neighborhood with
fireworks.
[1:30:22] And that's not just the strip clubs.
[1:30:24] Anyways, that put aside, there's 3 big
issues at least in our neighborhood.
[1:30:29] That's the number of people. These are big
homes.
[1:30:32] They all are still advertising 16 to 20
per home.
[1:30:35] We have a home for sale right now that's
12,000 square feet.
[1:30:38] That will definitely be a hotel if that
sells.
[1:30:41] We have the trash afterwards,
[1:30:43] and then the one that we're tired of
calling is the noise.
[1:30:47] We don't want to be the grumpy old man
that is— I'm tired,
[1:30:50] I don't want to come home and be calling
the police and bothering them
[1:30:54] over this.
[1:30:56] The one thing we can do is you need to
have teeth and you need to enforce.
[1:31:02] If you can't change the number of people
and can't do these things, we can enforce.
[1:31:08] We can figure out a way to do that because
they're still doing what they're not
[1:31:14] supposed to do. They're not good stewards.
They're not individuals.
[1:31:19] They're not, they're not people who care
about our community. They are businesses.
[1:31:26] in a residential area. Okay, anything you
can do is appreciated. Thank you so much.
[1:31:32] Jamie, do we have any further cards?
[1:31:35] No. I'm so sorry, no more cards.
[1:31:37] Is there anyone from the public who hasn't
spoken who wishes to speak? Come on up.
[1:31:43] Just if you could fill out a card
afterwards with Jamie. Sorry to bring this
[1:31:48] afterwards with Jamie. Sorry to bring this
on.
[1:31:49] No, it's okay.
[1:31:50] My name is Michael.
[1:31:50] That's why we ask.
[1:31:51] I live at 1927 Bella Road. I've witnessed
the infamous big party house there.
[1:31:58] It's just not fun to sit in your house
with the TV turned very loud and still
[1:32:05] hear just all night.
[1:32:07] If you look up the police reports, I'm I'm
probably pretty popular.
[1:32:13] We have had some good luck with, uh, the
officers coming out.
[1:32:19] That's how we met one of our neighbors.
[1:32:20] Uh, but the main thing I wanted to say is
I, I know it's not an easy world.
[1:32:25] It's not black and white.
[1:32:27] I unfortunately know just enough about law
to know that what you think is right
[1:32:33] doesn't always count. I know your hands
are tied. We're just asking for help.
[1:32:38] We've been in our house about 20 years.
[1:32:41] As everybody said, it used to be a quiet,
beautiful neighborhood.
[1:32:45] Noise comes across the water like it's
amplified.
[1:32:49] So, you know, they just need to be made
aware of it.
[1:32:53] And I get punished for anything I do
wrong.
[1:32:56] You know, I learned that at an early age.
[1:32:58] Unfortunately, we can't take a belt and go
next door and handle it.
[1:33:01] Mm-hmm.
[1:33:03] One thing I did hear that just really kind
of blew my mind is that we're not allowed
[1:33:09] to institute something that affects
short-term.
[1:33:13] This is a business that is operating in a
residential neighborhood.
[1:33:18] We, we pay for warehouse space for my
wife's business.
[1:33:22] Does that mean I can start stacking
equipment in my yard and no one would say
[1:33:28] anything?
[1:33:28] That wouldn't fly, and I wouldn't want to
do it to my neighbors.
[1:33:34] It's just again, we're being held to a
standard where we can't offend what in
[1:33:40] reality is a business, and I just I find
that very frustrating.
[1:33:45] Again, it is what it is, but we're asking
for help.
[1:33:49] I would move tomorrow if I were able to. I
am that. fed up with it.
[1:33:54] And I should be living the dream. I retire
in a month.
[1:33:59] Apparently, it's not going to be what I
pictured. So thank you, everyone. Thank
[1:34:05] pictured. So thank you, everyone. Thank
you.
[1:34:05] Thank you. I just want to say hopefully we
can come up with a solution to make you
[1:34:12] want to stay here in Largo. Anyone else
from the public that wishes to speak?
[1:34:18] Seeing none, I will go ahead and close the
public hearing portion for further
[1:34:24] discussion by the board.
[1:34:26] Um, can I just— I, I just wanted to
clarify, we are the planning board,
[1:34:32] so our duty is to, um, vote on this
ordinance.
[1:34:36] Um, the code enforcement board is
completely different than us,
[1:34:41] so I just wanted to make sure everybody
was aware of that. And thanks.
[1:34:47] I apologize.
[1:34:48] Do they meet like you guys?
[1:34:49] Yes. So, um, and, um, some questions.
[1:34:53] I'm just— do you mind if I jump in with
some questions real
[1:34:58] quick, y'all? Um, from what I heard in the
audience is we
[1:35:03] have an enforcement issue.
[1:35:06] Yep.
[1:35:06] I, I didn't hear that we have a policy
issue and
[1:35:10] we're being presented a policy solution.
[1:35:14] So— go ahead.
[1:35:15] Chair Fosdini, I'll be happy to address
that.
[1:35:19] We recognize that it is an enforcement
issue as well.
[1:35:23] We wish we had more code officers.
[1:35:25] I will tell you that proposed in the
fiscal year 2027 budget that will be
[1:35:31] fiscal year 2027 budget that will be
considered
[1:35:31] by the City Commission at 2 public
hearings in September are 2 of the
[1:35:36] hearings in September are 2 of the
positions that
[1:35:37] Mr. Bergeron recommended earlier.
[1:35:40] An additional code enforcement officer, as
well as an additional fire inspector.
[1:35:46] There is a 3rd position,
[1:35:48] which is a board support specialist that
will provide customer service to both
[1:35:53] will provide customer service to both
those
[1:35:54] individuals that are calling to let us
know that we have a problematic short-term
[1:36:00] vacation rental, as well as to ensure that
our hosts are following our regulations.
[1:36:06] if new additional regulations,
particularly the registration component,
[1:36:11] is approved by the City Commission.
[1:36:14] And obviously, we do think that that
portion will be based on the direction
[1:36:20] portion will be based on the direction
that the
[1:36:20] City Commission has already given staff.
So those are 3 new positions.
[1:36:25] And yes, once the registration program is
up and running,
[1:36:30] if there are sufficient resources,
[1:36:32] we will be happy to request that city
administration give us the authority to
[1:36:38] administration give us the authority to
add an
[1:36:38] additional code officer if needed, or an
additional— I really can't speak for fire,
[1:36:45] but I would assume that if there are
sufficient revenues coming from the
[1:36:50] registration program,
[1:36:52] that they may also make a similar request
of city administration.
[1:36:56] And I'm going to take a little time here
because I know we are not the Code
[1:37:01] Enforcement Board, but this isn't going to
the Code Enforcement Board.
[1:37:06] So I want to try to ask some of the
questions that I think code enforcement
[1:37:11] questions that I think code enforcement
board
[1:37:11] members would ask. Um, and one of them is,
I think the new positions are great.
[1:37:16] Are we looking at second shift for those
employees?
[1:37:19] Because I don't see it being any more
effective if it's just 8 to 5.
[1:37:24] Yeah, that is something that we can
evaluate, as Mr. Bergeron indicated.
[1:37:28] Okay. And then the other thing for me was
I I've watched code board meetings before,
[1:37:34] and the general posture of the city has
always been to cure and remediate,
[1:37:40] to give residents time to cure a
deficiency and remediate it.
[1:37:45] Is that what we do with short-term
rentals?
[1:37:48] Yes. They basically have to follow the
procedures and guidelines set within
[1:37:54] procedures and guidelines set within
Florida
[1:37:54] Statute 162, which sets up the policies
and procedures for the code board.
[1:38:00] They are pretty much held to levying
administrative fines is basically the
[1:38:05] administrative fines is basically the
extent
[1:38:05] they can go at the code board.
[1:38:08] Okay. But we could, through legislation,
[1:38:11] change that so that it's an irreparable
fine instead of giving the
[1:38:16] person time to cure the violation,
[1:38:19] which in many cases with a short-term
rental, you cannot cure the—
[1:38:24] Correct. That is a determination the code
board can make during the hearing.
[1:38:29] Okay. So they currently have that power
right now?
[1:38:33] Correct.
[1:38:33] How often are they using it?
[1:38:37] So I have a whole other hearing to
[1:38:42] go.
[1:38:42] Pretty much all of our short-term rental
cases deal with not having the proper
[1:38:47] registration not having the proper
permits, things of that nature.
[1:38:51] So those are things that they usually give
them, like many other code cases,
[1:38:56] a deadline. If they're not compliant, the
fines begin accruing on the property.
[1:39:00] Can they be shut down? Right.
[1:39:02] Can they be shut down?
[1:39:03] We do not have the authority to shut them
down.
[1:39:06] We do have the authority to seek
foreclosure potentially.
[1:39:09] That has to be approved by city
administration. That can't be—
[1:39:12] How long would something like that take?
[1:39:13] The fines have to be accruing for at
minimum 90 days.
[1:39:19] Okay. And normally they would have a
30-day period to cure,
[1:39:23] which could be extended by the Code
Enforcement Board, technically.
[1:39:28] Am I correct on that?
[1:39:29] Yes, it's a case-by-case basis.
[1:39:30] You know, certain— you know, if a
respondent comes in and requests more
[1:39:34] respondent comes in and requests more
time,
[1:39:34] they'll take that into consideration when
giving their compliance deadline.
[1:39:38] Okay. Have we looked at specifically not
doing a cure on this, just going— I,
[1:39:43] I know that you're saying the code board
has the power.
[1:39:47] I'm saying that's the only option they
have is an irreparable—
[1:39:51] let's say we pass this ordinance and a
person isn't registered.
[1:39:56] That is an immediate irreparable violation
of our code for not meeting the life
[1:40:01] safety standards that that registration
requires. Why can't we do that?
[1:40:06] That would probably be a discussion with
the city attorney.
[1:40:10] In instances with irreparable,
irreversible,
[1:40:12] it usually has to be something that they
cannot cure.
[1:40:15] So if we're saying, oh, you don't have a
permit, you can cure that violation.
[1:40:19] Whereas if you had a loud party,
[1:40:21] obviously that's already disturbed the
neighborhood. You can't take that time
[1:40:25] neighborhood. You can't take that time
back.
[1:40:26] So that is something potentially that
could be seen as irreparable.
[1:40:29] Yes. So, but if they don't have the
registration,
[1:40:33] then they haven't followed any of our life
safety procedures.
[1:40:37] So isn't it— I mean, that is irreparable.
[1:40:40] No, because they can still seek that.
[1:40:42] Like, if we cited them for not having
registration,
[1:40:45] they can still obtain that registration by
doing the correct inspections and things
[1:40:49] like that. I want to say this for a
specific event.
[1:40:51] So I know it's easy to— so when we're
talking about a specific event in this
[1:40:56] talking about a specific event in this
case,
[1:40:56] so we do case by case, they're going to
have time to remediate it.
[1:41:01] They're going to still make their rental
money. This is the struggle I have with
[1:41:06] money. This is the struggle I have with
it.
[1:41:06] If they're renting a unit for $500 a
night,
[1:41:09] and our code gives them 30 days to fix it,
and then they fix the registration,
[1:41:14] there's no penalty. There's no punishment.
[1:41:17] And I believe that's why we have a room
full of people here tonight.
[1:41:22] Excuse me, Chair, if I can.
[1:41:24] I do believe your rules of decorum don't
allow that,
[1:41:27] so we have to be mindful that we don't
allow clapping whether we're appreciative
[1:41:33] allow clapping whether we're appreciative
of
[1:41:33] it or not. So we have to be mindful of
that.
[1:41:37] Please, sir.
[1:41:38] And to speak to what he's referencing, the
irreparable is correct.
[1:41:42] So failure to register,
[1:41:43] that's not something that would be
categorized as irreparable.
[1:41:47] We have to be mindful of due process
rights,
[1:41:50] and so how these are enforced needs to be
fair.
[1:41:53] So we wouldn't necessarily apply that to
somebody else for failure for a BTR
[1:41:58] somebody else for failure for a BTR
license
[1:41:59] or something like that. So we can't single
out this.
[1:42:02] However, and this is why we have this
companion ordinance for the nuisance,
[1:42:07] the chronic nuisance,
[1:42:08] there are certain nuisances that are so
egregious and have such a negative impact
[1:42:14] that there is potential for greater
enforcement efforts.
[1:42:17] If there was something that was extremely
egregious safety issues,
[1:42:21] there we do have options for injunctions.
[1:42:24] The Florida statutes have laid out
primarily what those are,
[1:42:28] and that's in the chronic nuisance.
[1:42:30] That's not in your land development code,
[1:42:33] because typically your land development
code isn't going to have those types of
[1:42:38] activities. But it does—
[1:42:40] what we're trying to do is have a
multifaceted approach to this so we can
[1:42:44] multifaceted approach to this so we can
address it
[1:42:45] with these administrative angle for
violations, and then for some of the
[1:42:50] violations, and then for some of the
egregious,
[1:42:50] because we understand not every violation
is going to rise to the level where we're
[1:42:56] seeking ...taking injunctions or wanting
to foreclose.
[1:42:59] And some of these businesses are going to
want to come into compliance,
[1:43:04] because it will become so
cost-prohibitive,
[1:43:07] it won't make sense for a business
operation.
[1:43:09] And so that's the intent, to—
[1:43:11] as uncomfortable as you're making it for
everybody else,
[1:43:15] we'll do that until you sort of come into
compliance,
[1:43:18] and at least you're mitigating some of
those negative impacts for your neighbors.
[1:43:24] Can I follow up?
[1:43:24] So we do have other avenues that
potentially can be pursued for more
[1:43:29] potentially can be pursued for more
aggressive
[1:43:30] enforcement. Things like failure to
register, it still allows us to.
[1:43:34] The inspections to ensure compliance,
those are life safety.
[1:43:39] Now, if, you know, the fire inspector goes
in there and there are egregious life
[1:43:44] safety issues, that's a different issue.
[1:43:47] But just failure to register, you could
cure that.
[1:43:50] You still have a violation, but you can
potentially cure it. Thank you.
[1:43:58] Okay. Oh, uh, Miss Robshaw, do you have
more? Can I ask a question?
[1:44:01] Um, how— these are not individuals buying
these homes,
[1:44:04] they're LLCs buying these homes.
[1:44:06] Can they not be treated as a business and
not as a homeowner?
[1:44:09] There's a lot of LLCs and trusts that own
property.
[1:44:15] Okay, you can— you can own it and live in
it.
[1:44:19] Um, so it's That's allowed.
[1:44:22] No, what I've heard loud and clear is
these are businesses.
[1:44:25] That's what I've heard loud and clear. No,
we understand.
[1:44:28] And that issue has been raised. And
somebody came and asked me about it.
[1:44:33] And I think it was around 2013.
[1:44:35] Some jurisdictions were trying to really
push that issue,
[1:44:39] that these are commercial operations,
they're not residential.
[1:44:43] And the legislature said, no, no, no,
that's not how we're allowed to treat
[1:44:48] that's not how we're allowed to treat
them.
[1:44:48] So whether it's a business or not.
[1:44:51] So I Just to quickly touch on this other
issue, speak to your state representative.
[1:44:56] This is where this comes from.
[1:44:58] I am a member of the Florida Association
of County Attorneys,
[1:45:02] also with the Florida League of Cities.
I'm involved in both. We all are, all of
[1:45:08] I'm involved in both. We all are, all of
us.
[1:45:08] Every year they push,
[1:45:09] every year there's legislation out there
to minimize the preemption,
[1:45:14] to overcome the preemption.
[1:45:16] It is always one of the items on the
legislative agenda, and it never moves.
[1:45:21] And that is your state representatives.
Thank you.
[1:45:24] I have a legal question.
[1:45:26] Is there any ability to create an
ordinance for owner-occupied Airbnbs and
[1:45:32] ones that are not owner-occupied? Can we
separate them?
[1:45:37] That was looked at. There are some
additional challenges with that,
[1:45:41] but that is something I think there's some
issues with that.
[1:45:45] There's definitely some challenges right
now with Senate Bill 180.
[1:45:49] It's something we would look at. But
again, we're— we are going to look at
[1:45:53] again, we're— we are going to look at
this.
[1:45:54] We're going to look at other options if it
isn't effective.
[1:45:57] And then we're also going to try to
implement those that are most effective.
[1:46:02] And then if we still are continuing to
have an issue and we want to take some
[1:46:07] greater legal risk, then we'll do that.
[1:46:09] But at least we'll have other things in
the books that help us kind of manage
[1:46:14] the books that help us kind of manage
maybe
[1:46:14] the majority of the bad behavior we can
manage, and then some of the more
[1:46:18] manage, and then some of the more
egregious,
[1:46:19] we'll look at other avenues for how to do
that, rather than come on, you know,
[1:46:24] initially with a really aggressive
ordinance that gets challenged and then we
[1:46:28] ordinance that gets challenged and then we
can't
[1:46:29] do anything while it's being challenged.
[1:46:31] We thought this approach would allow us to
at least address it for most people,
[1:46:36] and then the other cases,
[1:46:38] we will continue to move forward on
different avenues to address those.
[1:46:42] Okay. I have some questions. Anyone else
have questions for Ms. Allen?
[1:46:46] No, I'm good.
[1:46:47] I have a question for Chase and Cheryl.
[1:46:50] Are we seeking some remedy to the property
that's discussed today about not being
[1:46:56] registered? We are? Okay. Okay.
[1:46:59] I know you probably can't say too much,
but I just want to know that's being Okay,
[1:47:05] thank you.
[1:47:06] Yeah, I can say that they've been before
the code board.
[1:47:09] They have running fines, so they have
already been cited.
[1:47:13] And I don't know if— I have another
question.
[1:47:16] I don't know if it's legal or not.
[1:47:18] Um, is there a cap on fines that can be
charged?
[1:47:21] Yes, it's for first-time violators, it's
$250 per day.
[1:47:25] If you are a repeat violator,
[1:47:27] it's actually up to $5,000 per day.
[1:47:29] That's a state law?
[1:47:31] Yes, that's through Statute 162.
[1:47:34] Thank you.
[1:47:35] Then they have like 30 days and 90 days to
payment before we would foreclose.
[1:47:39] How quickly can we act if they don't pay?
[1:47:41] So, like I said, depending on if it gets
to the point where those fines run,
[1:47:45] we have a process where I review the case,
review it with Ms.
[1:47:49] Reed, then we review it with the city
manager.
[1:47:51] If they sign off, we have a third-party
attorney who reviews those cases.
[1:47:56] If everything is good, they Do those fines
get compounded if something new develops?
[1:48:03] Does that get added to the pile?
[1:48:04] If it's a new violation, correct.
[1:48:06] They can't be found in violation of
something there's already fines accruing
[1:48:10] something there's already fines accruing
for.
[1:48:11] So they can have a bigger pile of fines
for different things?
[1:48:14] Potentially, if it's a different
violation.
[1:48:16] Does that impact what we do and how we
handle it?
[1:48:18] Not necessarily, no, because, like I said,
[1:48:21] it's more the duration of the fine than
the amount of the fine.
[1:48:25] I think seriousness of the fine should be
something to consider.
[1:48:27] consider the seriousness of the violation.
Sir, I know you're raising your hand.
[1:48:32] Unfortunately, the public hearing portion
has stopped,
[1:48:35] so we're just going to be discussing back
and forth with staff.
[1:48:38] I did want to recognize I saw your hand
back there, and we'll be here after,
[1:48:43] some of us, to answer questions as well.
[1:48:45] I have some more.
[1:48:48] Go ahead.
[1:48:48] Sorry. And I'm not sure who would answer
this.
[1:48:52] If an apartment— if somebody who lives in
an apartment or an apartment building,
[1:48:59] if they fail a fire inspection, aren't
people not supposed to live there?
[1:49:05] Isn't that something that happens? It's
red-tagged somehow?
[1:49:10] That would be a question for the fire
department.
[1:49:12] Unfortunately, that's not my area of
expertise.
[1:49:14] Ms. Allen?
[1:49:16] Yes, unfortunately, our fire staff were
not able to be here this evening,
[1:49:21] but they will be at future public
hearings,
[1:49:24] both the commission work session in
August,
[1:49:27] as well as at the first and second reading
in September and in October.
[1:49:32] So if, if, if that were the case,
[1:49:36] it seems like these are not being shut
down if they're in violation
[1:49:43] of a fire code, and they're still allowed
to continue to operate.
[1:49:49] As if they're a single-family home versus
an apartment,
[1:49:55] but it's a rental. So how can we fix that?
[1:49:59] The fire code is— the fire code governs
those violations,
[1:50:03] so they would dictate whether they're able
to be shut down or not.
[1:50:08] That's something that's really outside of
our jurisdiction.
[1:50:12] Same with the building code.
[1:50:14] So there's not all violations are going to
rise to that level where it gets shut
[1:50:20] down.
[1:50:20] Okay. And then let me see what else I had.
[1:50:24] Oh, and the last question I have, and I'm
not sure who answers this one.
[1:50:32] Can— is it possible to—
[1:50:35] the resident who had the situation where
she shares the road and it's an
[1:50:43] easement, Is there a way to make it so if
you live in a property that
[1:50:50] doesn't have direct access to Bel Air Road
or whatever street,
[1:50:57] that it cannot be used as an Airbnb?
[1:51:01] Is there a possibility to do something
like that?
[1:51:06] That's a private property issue.
[1:51:08] That's something that that she could have
an attorney look at,
[1:51:11] because I'm going to guess they probably
have a cross-access easement.
[1:51:15] So they can look at that, whether there's
covenants.
[1:51:18] Same thing if you're in a community and
there's restrictive covenants about it.
[1:51:23] As other property owners in there, you
would have standing to challenge them.
[1:51:27] The city would not necessarily, but
individuals would.
[1:51:31] So, you know, there are some associations
that have gone after short-term rentals
[1:51:35] because of covenants, and they've been
successful, but that's a private matter.
[1:51:40] So they would have to—
[1:51:41] they could retain counsel and look at it
and do it and handle it that way.
[1:51:45] It's just not something we can legally
opine on.
[1:51:48] Got it. And I just think it may be
beneficial. I don't know.
[1:51:54] I'm not a fan of HOAs, but if— I
understand.
[1:51:59] But your easement has— could be But
there's no HOA attached.
[1:52:05] Understood. I'm not— that wasn't my point.
[1:52:09] For the people that are watching, just
calling from the audience,
[1:52:13] just referencing that that example is not
an HOA. We understand that.
[1:52:17] It's— I'm not giving an opinion on it.
[1:52:19] It's potentially— that could— if there was
a cross-access,
[1:52:22] they could have somebody look at whether
it's changed dramatically and how it was
[1:52:27] originally intended. But that is not
something we can give an opinion on.
[1:52:31] Got it. And I was just going to say that
would If people live in a
[1:52:36] neighborhood that doesn't have an HOA,
[1:52:38] would it be beneficial for them to form an
HOA?
[1:52:42] I can't opine on that.
[1:52:46] Okay.
[1:52:46] They can look at their covenants and
consult, you know, an attorney.
[1:52:50] There are some attorneys that specialize
in, you know,
[1:52:54] private real estate matters and HOAs and
covenants.
[1:52:57] And so they can have somebody look at—
[1:52:59] Well, they wouldn't have covenants if
there's no HOA.
[1:53:03] So what I'm asking is, is if you—
[1:53:05] sometimes there's restrictive covenants
recorded on property.
[1:53:07] You don't have to have an HOA.
[1:53:09] Okay, got it. Thank you. That's it.
[1:53:12] I'm going to take one minute before—
[1:53:15] I see some people are starting to get
ready to leave.
[1:53:19] I normally don't do this, but I saw this
as a request on the, the memorandum,
[1:53:25] so I'm going to ask by a show of hands,
[1:53:28] how many people would want us to delay a
vote on Okay.
[1:53:32] So you would want us to delay a vote on
this to get different language and
[1:53:38] stronger wording? Okay. Thank you. Thank
you so much for that feedback.
[1:53:44] Thank you. I'm going to defer to your
board attorney,
[1:53:49] but it probably spells out where your
authority is in terms terms
[1:53:54] of reviewing?
[1:53:55] I, I would say the board can vote to
continue this if they have a reason to
[1:53:59] continue this if they have a reason to
continue
[1:54:00] this. They can also recommend approval
with conditions if it has specific things
[1:54:04] with conditions if it has specific things
it
[1:54:04] wants. Yes, to be considered for the
ordinance.
[1:54:07] That's what I was thinking.
[1:54:09] Um, it was a question I had left for
staff.
[1:54:12] I have one question for Cheryl.
[1:54:15] You mentioned that fire couldn't be with
us tonight.
[1:54:19] Uh, would they be willing to come if we
were to continue this in a future meeting
[1:54:25] to address some questions?
[1:54:26] Yes, I think they potentially would be
able to do that.
[1:54:29] Okay.
[1:54:29] Okay, um, I have some questions.
[1:54:32] How closely have we been talking to the
county since they
[1:54:36] implemented their program in 2025?
[1:54:39] I've had a couple discussions with some of
their staff.
[1:54:42] Okay, because they use the same Tyler
technology software as us, correct?
[1:54:46] I believe they actually use Accela.
[1:54:49] They do use use one of the programs we are
potentially looking at for the
[1:54:55] short-term rental registration and
documentation.
[1:54:58] Okay. And Chair Fostini, when I answered
the question about staffing,
[1:55:04] I did neglect to mention that also
included in the proposed budget is funding
[1:55:10] included in the proposed budget is funding
to
[1:55:10] purchase the software that would have
multiple features that would make it
[1:55:16] multiple features that would make it
easier
[1:55:16] for the city to manage registrations.
[1:55:19] And then also potentially we are looking
at software platforms that would have a
[1:55:25] 24-hour Have we looked at—
[1:55:28] and I, I just know we're in a tight budget
situation,
[1:55:31] so I don't know if this is possible or
not—
[1:55:34] but have we looked at an interlocal
agreement where we could partner with
[1:55:38] agreement where we could partner with
Pinellas
[1:55:39] County and just pay a license fee and use
the same software?
[1:55:43] We are. That is one of the softwares that
we are evaluating.
[1:55:46] So yes, that could be something that we
could explore.
[1:55:51] Okay. Because I could see dramatic cost
savings in that,
[1:55:55] and it would help the county too in
reducing their administrative costs if we
[1:56:02] reducing their administrative costs if we
can
[1:56:02] work together on this,
[1:56:04] especially with how many unincorporated
enclaves we have within Largo.
[1:56:09] The other question I did have was the the
fee structure here.
[1:56:14] And I know we're not voting on the fee
ordinance.
[1:56:18] And again, I'm speaking out of concern for
the residents.
[1:56:23] I'm not speaking in terms of this.
[1:56:26] I understand what we have to vote on in
terms of this.
[1:56:30] Actually, let me ask Commissioner Smith.
[1:56:33] Sure.
[1:56:34] Can I get an idea of your— and I don't
know if you have it or not,
[1:56:39] but do you have an idea of the consensus
of the board on how they would want
[1:56:45] enforcement handled on these?
[1:56:47] Would they want a system like we have
traditionally,
[1:56:51] or would it prefer a more robust and
instant action?
[1:56:55] From the conversations we've had, probably
more robust.
[1:56:59] I feel like a couple commissioners have
come along on this subject,
[1:57:04] and it's evolved to more of a taking more
aggressive approach to it.
[1:57:09] So I feel like they'd probably be leaning
that way.
[1:57:12] In the discussions I've seen,
[1:57:14] I can't get in their minds because of the
Sunshine Law.
[1:57:18] But from what I've heard at Commission
meetings and,
[1:57:21] and where they've spoken on these,
[1:57:23] I feel like they'd probably be more
inclined to that. Okay.
[1:57:27] And just— and I know this is totally you
just guessing.
[1:57:30] If this was to go to the Commission today,
just your personal,
[1:57:34] would you be happy with this product?
That's a tough one now.
[1:57:38] And this is not an attack on staff.
[1:57:40] I want— staff did the best they can with—
I just, yeah,
[1:57:44] we have to ask hard questions. Yeah, and,
and, and, and that's a tough one.
[1:57:48] If it's not, my concern only is that
we're,
[1:57:51] we're pushing it out more and y'all are
already dealing with situations,
[1:57:56] and by delaying this,
[1:57:57] it's just giving them more time And and
and our staff really don't have the teeth.
[1:58:02] And I know you didn't say it doesn't have
teeth,
[1:58:05] but it in my situation of dealing with
code cases,
[1:58:08] I think there it would give teeth.
[1:58:10] It also, like I said,
[1:58:12] it would actually and it would also help
with our staff to be able to target these
[1:58:17] individuals and put them on notice a lot
quicker.
[1:58:20] I just my concern is if we delay it,
[1:58:22] it's just giving that more of a time and
and it's going to put our staff way behind
[1:58:27] the eight. But I truly understand what you
want, more teeth.
[1:58:31] And trust me, and anybody who signed up
here,
[1:58:34] I'm going to ask staff if you've given
your email.
[1:58:37] If not given your email,
[1:58:39] I would have staff get you the contact
information for your state representatives
[1:58:44] and your state senators, because we are
hamstrung by them, basically.
[1:58:48] Tomorrow, like I said, the direction of
the Commission I see up there,
[1:58:53] this is an issue I People need to get—
Pulling out a couple measures.
[1:58:57] I have a couple in my neighborhood that
are— a couple are great ones,
[1:59:01] a couple of them are not.
[1:59:03] Um, I've had the signs out there that say
the same thing as y'all have said, uh,
[1:59:08] we don't want businesses in our community,
this is not a hotel. I get that totally.
[1:59:13] But also we have businesses that do dog
grooming stuff that run out,
[1:59:18] or like a tax business.
[1:59:20] Those fall under those kind of things
also.
[1:59:23] So just realize that I, I Truly, truly,
truly agree with you.
[1:59:27] I live here, and many members have come to
the Commission and spoke to this,
[1:59:32] and we've evolved. So I feel— I just— my
concern is if we delay it, the Commission—
[1:59:38] it's just giving them more time. I
appreciate that perspective.
[1:59:43] And just to Commissioner Smith's point,
[1:59:45] I think you guys can all see by the
questions staff's asking,
[1:59:49] the questions we're asking, we're all
trying to find ways, loopholes,
[1:59:54] sideways ways of looking at things,
looking at it from a different
[1:59:59] looking at it from a different
perspective,
[2:00:00] any way we can. So everyone's doing the
best they can to get this done.
[2:00:05] I don't want to criticize anyone.
[2:00:07] I just wanted to make sure that we're
recommending a product that fits the will
[2:00:12] recommending a product that fits the will
of
[2:00:13] the Commission. Any other questions?
[2:00:15] Yeah. If we were to pass this today, um,
with conditions, right?
[2:00:21] Um, and, and we could pass it with
conditions that it be revisited,
[2:00:27] certain things be added, uh, certain more
discussions happen.
[2:00:33] And that way we're not delaying it,
[2:00:37] but we're making sure that concerns are
addressed that may not
[2:00:42] necessarily be in the current version.
Would that work?
[2:00:48] Yeah. So, and I actually, um,
[2:00:50] had some conditions that I thought we
might want to consider. Okay.
[2:00:55] Um, one thing I said at the beginning of
this,
[2:00:58] I would like us to have a joint code
enforcement and planning board meeting.
[2:01:04] I do not know how we effectively solve
this problem if we are not all at the
[2:01:09] this problem if we are not all at the
table
[2:01:10] together trying to fix it. So that would
be more of a recommendation.
[2:01:15] We can't direct city staff to do that,
[2:01:18] but it would be a recommendation for the
City Commission to direct staff to
[2:01:23] City Commission to direct staff to
schedule
[2:01:24] that meeting. Another one is I would like
us to strive more towards the county
[2:01:29] ordinance. I know the city attorney said
it's just more beefed-up language,
[2:01:35] but our residents clearly want that
beefed-up language.
[2:01:39] Um, so, um, and then the other condition I
wanted is us—
[2:01:43] was the commission to look at the
irreparable violation framework and have
[2:01:49] irreparable violation framework and have
legal
[2:01:49] look at that and see what direction we can
go on in that too.
[2:01:54] I'm just going to say for that one,
[2:01:55] that would be within the realm of code
enforcement.
[2:01:57] This board really doesn't have any
authority to recommend the— you,
[2:02:01] you can say it like you did the first
item, but yeah,
[2:02:03] it's not a valid condition we can impose,
just so you're aware.
[2:02:07] So we're just asking the commission to
consider that.
[2:02:11] Chair Bostini, if I could just interrupt
for just one moment,
[2:02:15] just to echo what Commissioner Smith's
comments were.
[2:02:20] If there are conditions, it will cause a
delay.
[2:02:23] We have already discussed these requests
ad nauseam with the city attorney's
[2:02:29] ad nauseam with the city attorney's
office.
[2:02:30] So I just want to be clear that it will
cause a delay.
[2:02:34] Staff is happy to accommodate whatever
recommendations you may have,
[2:02:40] but it will mean a delay,
[2:02:42] and we will not be going to the City
Commission in September and October for
[2:02:48] Commission in September and October for
first
[2:02:48] and second reading.
[2:02:50] So I have an idea, actually. Then could we
break this into 2 motions, Noah?
[2:02:54] So we do a motion to approve it,
[2:02:56] and then we do a second Motion with our
recommendations for the City Commission to
[2:03:01] direct with what we're, we're asking.
[2:03:04] So the, the second item wouldn't really be
a motion,
[2:03:07] but if you could come to a board
consensus,
[2:03:09] I'm sure staff would be happy to present
that information to the commission at
[2:03:13] that information to the commission at
their
[2:03:14] workshop.
[2:03:14] Yes. Okay.
[2:03:15] So you could reach out even before
approving.
[2:03:18] Okay.
[2:03:21] What if the condition was that the first
and
[2:03:28] second reading go on as scheduled But have
a
[2:03:34] workshop established for more discussions
on
[2:03:40] future—
[2:03:41] A request for a workshop.
[2:03:42] So it wouldn't actually— again, it
wouldn't be changing the ordinance itself.
[2:03:46] It would just be saying before, you know,
first or second reading, we—
[2:03:50] if the commission grants us the ability,
[2:03:52] we'd like to have a public meeting with
the Code Enforcement Board to discuss the
[2:03:56] ordinance.
[2:03:58] Either that or, or for,
[2:04:00] for staff and the city attorney and
concerned residents establish a
[2:04:08] workshop, um, in anticipation of the, um,
the sunset of, uh, SB 180 and,
[2:04:15] and make that a condition. Could we do
that? So that could—
[2:04:21] That doesn't necessarily relate to the
ordinance But again,
[2:04:24] I think that's a good item for the board
to discuss and maybe come to a consensus
[2:04:28] and ask staff to make that recommendation,
[2:04:30] just like Chair Fosse's idea with the
joint meeting.
[2:04:33] All right. So let's actually start with—
we're just going to do general consensus.
[2:04:39] We won't do a vote. Do we have general
consensus that we would like Commissioner
[2:04:46] Smith to ask staff to plan a joint
planning board and Code Enforcement Board
[2:04:52] planning board and Code Enforcement Board
meeting
[2:04:53] to review this ordinance with staff. We
have general consensus? Everyone on board?
[2:05:00] Okay. Good on that. And then do we have—
what was the—
[2:05:04] To establish a workshop in anticipation of
the sunset of SB 180.
[2:05:11] I think staff definitely are looking at
that.
[2:05:14] Trust me. I'm sure staff is on it.
[2:05:17] that I would— I want staff to, to have
meetings with the public,
[2:05:22] or somebody to have meetings with the
public to gather information, and,
[2:05:29] and then go to the city attorney and say,
can we do these things, and, and,
[2:05:35] and address the public's concerns.
[2:05:38] Can I make a friendly suggestion?
[2:05:40] Sure.
[2:05:40] So I think the Pinellas County ordinance
beefed up, covers a lot of the concerns.
[2:05:46] Maybe with taking NOAA's advice again, we,
you know,
[2:05:50] ask the City Commission to discuss whether
that Pinellas County ordinance is
[2:05:56] something— it's the same legal framework.
[2:05:59] I mean, they— I— to them, to me, I don't
know.
[2:06:02] They haven't been sued, to my knowledge.
No, I don't know. I'm aware of none.
[2:06:08] So they passed this over a year ago.
[2:06:11] No one sued So I don't see a real
litigation harm in us going more towards
[2:06:16] litigation harm in us going more towards
that
[2:06:16] Pinellas County route,
[2:06:18] and I actually prefer us taking a more
regional approach and making things
[2:06:23] regional approach and making things
uniform
[2:06:24] where possible. I think that's just best
practice,
[2:06:28] especially if we're going to hope to annex
a lot of these properties in the future.
[2:06:34] So my recommendation would be to to look
county for the.
[2:06:38] commission to direct staff to see between
first and second reading if there can be
[2:06:44] any changes made to the ordinance to put
it more in line with Pinellas County's
[2:06:50] ordinance, and if there was consensus for
the board on that.
[2:06:54] Maybe Noah can answer my question.
[2:06:57] I really think it's important to have
different ordinances for owner-occupied
[2:07:04] Airbnbs versus, uh, non-occupied.
[2:07:08] Um, I know that's not going to get
addressed now, um,
[2:07:12] but is there a way to make that a future
thing?
[2:07:17] Um, if we're not looking at changes to the
ordinances proposed before you today,
[2:07:21] it wouldn't be a motion you would make.
But again, that could be a consensus item.
[2:07:25] I know the city attorney mentioned that
they had previously looked into that,
[2:07:29] and that's something staff is actively
considering.
[2:07:32] So So I think it would be within this
board's power to make a consensus
[2:07:35] recommendation that the city continue to
explore those options.
[2:07:39] And just to clarify, from what we've seen
on the code side,
[2:07:42] it's probably about less than 5% are
owner-occupied of the short-term rentals.
[2:07:46] It's a very small percentage.
[2:07:47] And just one thing to nitpick. This is for
kind of just my curiosity.
[2:07:53] I said earlier, you know, I rent a room in
my own home.
[2:07:59] This is one question I've always had.
Maybe Ms.
[2:08:03] Allen or Noah, someone can help me with
it.
[2:08:07] My reading of Florida statute says
short-term rentals can only be regular or
[2:08:14] short-term rentals can only be regular or
have to
[2:08:15] be a dwelling unit. But our ordinance says
part of a dwelling unit.
[2:08:21] So I— is there legal authority to under
Florida statute to regulate part of a
[2:08:28] dwelling unit when the law specifies
dwelling units?
[2:08:33] So when you're regulating part of
something,
[2:08:35] you're also regulating the entire thing.
[2:08:38] I— that is an argument that could be made,
[2:08:40] but not one I think would be legally
successful.
[2:08:43] Okay. So with this ordinance, then, with
someone like myself,
[2:08:48] and I'm just gonna use myself as an
example, I rent a room in my own home,
[2:08:54] I self-regulate, There's no issues. I
mean, they live in my own home with me.
[2:09:00] Would I be required to register and do all
of these items?
[2:09:05] No.
[2:09:07] Now, Pinellas County's ordinance does— it
strictly prohibits that, actually,
[2:09:11] because there is an Attorney General's
opinion that that falls under sleeping
[2:09:16] quarters, not actually a short-term
rental.
[2:09:19] But Pinellas County, I know, specifically
says if the owner lives in the property,
[2:09:24] they are exempted from their short-term I
think we would want to consult the city
[2:09:28] attorney with regards to that. Okay.
[2:09:31] Because I know it's very few, but we do
have a number.
[2:09:34] I know Mayor Brown has talked about
someone who, you know,
[2:09:37] lives in an ADU and rents out the top part
of that.
[2:09:40] So for people like me, it's, you know,
[2:09:43] the only way I can help support my mom and
pay the mortgage.
[2:09:46] And I don't want people like that who are
doing the right thing,
[2:09:50] which I think everyone in this room agrees
we don't want to hurt the people that are
[2:09:55] doing the right thing,
[2:09:57] We want the enforcement on the people that
aren't following the rules.
[2:10:01] So trust me, I wanted to bring up about an
amendment, Ms. Hall, about that.
[2:10:05] But with what staff's telling us, and it's
negligible,
[2:10:09] I don't want to hold up the process,
especially with the commission,
[2:10:13] Commissioner Smith, you know, wanting—
[2:10:15] giving us direction that commission wants
this to move forward.
[2:10:19] Okay.
[2:10:21] just to kind of— that's kind of why it's
been bumped to now is because the
[2:10:26] commission has gotten more aggressive. And
I just want to make that to the audience.
[2:10:31] This is why our staff is doing this as
quickly as we possibly and physically can.
[2:10:36] So just to clarify that. Okay, so everyone
good on the consensus that we've given?
[2:10:41] All right. Any further discussion?
[2:10:43] Yes, I would just like to say this has
been a very interesting discussion
[2:10:48] tonight, and probably one of the most
difficult discussions we have had in the
[2:10:54] last year. And I just want to thank the
citizens for coming out today,
[2:11:00] for voicing their concerns and giving us
things to think about that we may not
[2:11:06] have pondered upon.
[2:11:08] So you're not a burden here tonight,
[2:11:10] but I just want to thank each of them
because we can hear the passion in your
[2:11:15] voices.
[2:11:15] We can see and the illustrations and the
examples you have given are very helpful.
[2:11:22] And I want to echo Ms. McGee's comments.
We, we love it when we see a room packed.
[2:11:27] Actually, I'm proud to say I think this is
the fullest almost the room's been for a
[2:11:32] public meeting since we moved into the new
building, so we're proud to,
[2:11:36] proud to take that title. Um, I really do
appreciate everyone coming out as well.
[2:11:41] We are a city and we're only as good is us
working together to solve problems.
[2:11:46] So without you coming out here and giving
your feedback, you know,
[2:11:50] we can't make good recommendations to our
commissioners and ask the proper
[2:11:55] questions. So thank you so much.
[2:11:57] Um, and with that, I will entertain a
motion at this point if there's no further
[2:12:02] discussion. Well, Mr.
[2:12:03] Chairman, I move to approve ordinance
number 2026-33.
[2:12:10] I have a motion by Ms. Donahue. Is there a
second?
[2:12:12] I'll second.
[2:12:13] I have a second by Ms. Robshaw. Can you
poll the board, Ms. Jarvis?
[2:12:21] Yes.
[2:12:21] Ms. Hall?
[2:12:23] Yes.
[2:12:25] Ms. Robshaw?
[2:12:26] Yes.
[2:12:27] Ms. McGee?
[2:12:28] Yes.
[2:12:29] Mr. Graham?
[2:12:30] Yes.
[2:12:31] Ms. Donahue?
[2:12:32] Yes.
[2:12:33] And Chair Fastini?
[2:12:34] I'm going to do a protest no. On behalf of
my other members.
[2:12:41] Thank you.
[2:12:42] So motion carries 5 to 1. Again, I want to
thank everyone for coming out.
[2:12:47] Thank you for sharing your feedback.
[2:12:49] We have a couple items left, but you can
feel free to head out.
[2:12:54] We just have a little bit of wrapping up
business to discuss, and we'll be
[2:12:58] business to discuss, and we'll be
finished—
[2:12:59] we'll be done in about 5 minutes.
[2:13:01] So if you just give us a quick couple of
minutes and then we'll be good to go.
[2:13:08] And we're happy to—
[2:13:09] did that again, right?
[2:13:13] I'm losing Jared.
[2:13:15] Anything next month?
[2:13:16] Um, just that, uh, we will have our new
planning board member, um,
[2:13:21] joining at our next meeting.
[2:13:23] And I think this time I'll actually let
Noah give his Sunshine Law, uh,
[2:13:28] presentation. So I know you've all been
looking forward to that.
[2:13:32] It's going to be Really good. Yes, I
might. I'm excited now. The anticipation—
[2:13:38] We're giving you too much time. Any other
business?
[2:13:41] Hearing none, this meeting is adjourned.
[2:13:44] Thank you. Thank you. Yes, sir.