1 00:00:03,274 --> 00:00:05,294 [music] 2 00:00:15,599 --> 00:00:20,000 Okay. Uh, roll call. Sure. >> Mike Green 3 00:00:19,439 --> 00:00:22,240 » here. >> Mayor Kelly 4 00:00:21,039 --> 00:00:23,840 » here. >> Pam Sheremire 5 00:00:23,279 --> 00:00:25,920 » here. >> Alex Green 6 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:28,080 » here. >> Fred Prime 7 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:31,279 » here. >> Dr. Patricia Felton. 8 00:00:30,400 --> 00:00:33,440 Charlotte Jones >> here. 9 00:00:31,920 --> 00:00:36,880 » Dan Sugg. >> All right. We have quum. 10 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:41,760 » Then I'll make a motion to excuse those not here because they did give us a 11 00:00:38,079 --> 00:00:45,200 heads up. Second in support. All those in favor? 12 00:00:44,000 --> 00:00:50,719 » I. >> All right. Motion carries. Uh approval 13 00:00:48,320 --> 00:00:53,280 of the agenda. >> Move to approve. 14 00:00:52,640 --> 00:00:56,800 » Second. >> A second. No questions. All those in 15 00:00:55,760 --> 00:01:00,320 favor? >> I I 16 00:00:58,800 --> 00:01:03,199 » Motion carries. All right. Approval of the minutes. 17 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,760 » I'll make the motion to approve the minutes. 18 00:01:03,840 --> 00:01:08,775 » I would like to second that and add that they were the most thorough minutes I've 19 00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:12,560 ever read. >> [laughter] 20 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:16,720 » Took me 20 minutes or so, but my welcome to uh Tom is 21 00:01:13,680 --> 00:01:20,320 » Tom was the one. >> Good job. 22 00:01:17,759 --> 00:01:26,080 » All right, it's been made and supported. All those in favor? 23 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:29,119 » I I motion carries. Uh the consent agenda. 24 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:32,479 » I'll make the motion for the consent agenda. 25 00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:36,720 » Support. The 26 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:43,320 » questions. All those in favor? I I >> All right. Motion carries. 27 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:43,320 Uh public comment. 28 00:01:43,439 --> 00:01:52,880 Look like we have any speakers. We'll move on uh to old business. 29 00:01:52,240 --> 00:01:57,520 » There's none. >> Nothing on the agenda for old business. 30 00:01:55,200 --> 00:02:02,320 Move to new business winter festival updates. 31 00:01:58,560 --> 00:02:07,360 » Yes. So on um Friday, December 5th, in the community room here at city hall, 32 00:02:04,960 --> 00:02:12,640 we'll be having our second annual winter festival. Last year, we held the um 33 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:19,599 family oriented event for crafts and activities to come together and it was a 34 00:02:15,920 --> 00:02:23,840 big success. And following residents uh inquiry if we were going to do it again 35 00:02:20,959 --> 00:02:29,120 this year, we decided that we will. So, um, the first Friday of December from 36 00:02:26,000 --> 00:02:32,800 6:00 to 8:00 p.m. we will be doing, uh, the winter festival again. So, we ask 37 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:38,959 all of you to attend. If any of you would like to volunteer, uh, the DDA 38 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:44,319 will be hosting a cookie decorating table. It was a big hit last year. We 39 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:49,120 went through 12 dozen uh, cookies. So, we're going to shoot for a little more. 40 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:53,760 Uh this year we have the Southfield Fire Department who's going to come by and 41 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:58,959 bring fire truck for the kids to to take a look at. They're going to have a table 42 00:02:55,680 --> 00:03:04,560 as well giving out uh little plastic fire hats and talking with kids. We'll 43 00:03:01,599 --> 00:03:11,200 have parks and wreck is going to have Santa Claus. Santa's humming one of the 44 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:14,720 uh members uh father or not father their husband and their daughter are she's 45 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:19,280 going to be the elf. We're going to have them there to do photos. The uh nature 46 00:03:17,680 --> 00:03:24,400 group in coordination with the police department are going to be doing 47 00:03:21,040 --> 00:03:31,040 ornament making. Lauren will be there um teaching um kids how to play drreidle. 48 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:37,599 And we'll have the uh library will be there doing library cards and and giving 49 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:41,920 out um coloring books. And who else am I? Chase Bank will be there giving out 50 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:45,440 piggy banks to kids. >> And um It's going to be a fun fun night. 51 00:03:45,120 --> 00:03:47,680 So, >> Chamber of Commerce, too. 52 00:03:46,319 --> 00:03:52,480 » Chamber of Commerce is also going to be there. They're going to have their food 53 00:03:49,040 --> 00:03:57,360 truck with fries and cocoa. And then, uh, to cap off the night, we're going to 54 00:03:54,319 --> 00:04:02,080 have Kelly get lighten up the Christmas tree. So, it's going to be a fun night. 55 00:04:00,239 --> 00:04:05,840 So, please come on out. >> Uh, and if anybody would like to do a 56 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:09,599 craft or activity and host a table, we can get you set up. So, please let me 57 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:13,680 know and spread the word. >> I have a question. You said uh if you 58 00:04:11,599 --> 00:04:17,040 have a you can host a table of bringing whatever you want to bring or 59 00:04:15,439 --> 00:04:20,639 » Yeah. Yeah. So, if there's an activity or craft you'd like to do with the 60 00:04:18,799 --> 00:04:23,360 families and kids, please let me know. We can get you set up. 61 00:04:22,400 --> 00:04:27,600 » Yeah. It's going to be a fun night. >> No blackjack or anything like that. 62 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:30,000 » No, [laughter] no, no. >> Shoot crafts. So, you don't want that. 63 00:04:29,863 --> 00:04:34,000 [laughter] >> Yeah. 64 00:04:31,840 --> 00:04:38,960 » Very specific. >> Prefer Christmas oriented holiday. 65 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:42,479 » Yeah. There you go. um that yeah, please come on out. It'll 66 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:47,880 be a fun night. We did it last year. So, we plan to decorate the community room 67 00:04:43,919 --> 00:04:47,880 and have a good night. 68 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:55,040 » And we also will be at the light up laser village on Monday night to help 69 00:04:53,443 --> 00:04:59,600 [clears throat] first bring in the festive season. 70 00:04:56,240 --> 00:05:04,960 » And if I could ask that um the DDA and anyone that's watching to please um go 71 00:05:03,199 --> 00:05:08,720 because we also have a council meeting that night. So the council is 72 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:13,600 technically only going to be there for maybe 20 minutes and so we don't want to 73 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:16,800 look like all of Lake just bitched. >> Yeah. Yeah. No, we'll definitely be 74 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:20,400 there. We're going to have a table. Tom and I will be there for um most of the 75 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:25,520 night and then we'll be making our way back for the council meeting. 76 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:30,720 » Excellent. >> Very good. Uh there's nothing there 77 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:33,520 approval wise. This is >> just information. 78 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:38,639 » Okay. Okay. >> Any other questions? 79 00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:42,800 Uh, next item, the snow removal contract. 80 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:47,680 » Thank you. Yeah, so there is a memo with three bids we received for this year's 81 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:52,800 snow removal contract. This is for all the sidewalks along Leather Mile for 82 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:56,560 stretching from Evergreen to Laser Boulevard as well as sidewalks on the 83 00:05:55,039 --> 00:06:00,800 overpasses. So, um, the meal summarizes the seasonal 84 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:08,080 cost estimate. We did it for an average of 12 snow events for the snow removal 85 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:12,479 of um the corridor along 11 mile. Uh the methodology is broken down in the memo. 86 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:16,240 It standardized and compares the three proposals submitted by Express Snow 87 00:06:14,639 --> 00:06:21,600 Removal, Royal Maintenance Group, and Paradise Gardens. Each of the vendors 88 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:28,160 submitted a different format uh for budgeting and and costs. One was a 89 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:34,479 seasonal flat rate, one was a per um push snow event pricing and another was 90 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:40,880 hourly building uh billing. So as you can see the breakdown was tiered for 91 00:06:37,360 --> 00:06:46,880 paradise. The initial cost would be $618 for any snow event between 1 to 4 in. 92 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:52,400 Express snow removal gave a flat rate per event and it would come out to 1,800 93 00:06:49,919 --> 00:06:56,000 in event uh snow event. Royal Maintenance gave an all-inclusive 94 00:06:53,840 --> 00:07:00,720 package of $36,000 for all snow services as well as salt. 95 00:06:59,199 --> 00:07:04,560 Because the three submitted proposals use different pricing structures, a 96 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:08,160 standardized methodology was applied to generate an equivalent cost for a 97 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:12,720 typical winter. This approach allows for all proposals to be compared uniformly 98 00:07:09,919 --> 00:07:16,720 based on projected labor needs in the estimated number of snow events. To 99 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:21,199 calculate labor assumptions uniformly across proposals, we relied on field 100 00:07:19,520 --> 00:07:25,440 data provided by the current contractor who reports that clearing two inches of 101 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:30,080 snow typically requires approximately 3 to four hours for one worker to complete 102 00:07:27,759 --> 00:07:33,840 all sidewalks along the corridor. Using this operational benchmark, all 103 00:07:31,759 --> 00:07:38,400 proposals were normalized to reflect an average of three and a half labor hours 104 00:07:36,000 --> 00:07:46,160 uh per event with one primary worker and standard uh sidewalk cleaning equipment. 105 00:07:41,599 --> 00:07:51,680 As you can see uh in the second chart the per event breakdown for the costs 106 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:56,240 lowest bidder would be Paradise Gardens parts on the normalized cost comparison 107 00:07:54,240 --> 00:08:01,759 their service responsiveness and overall value that they've provided um we 108 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:04,960 recommend should be awarded the contract in addition to offering the most 109 00:08:03,039 --> 00:08:08,800 competitive pricing for a typical winter. Padise Gardens has a strong 110 00:08:06,879 --> 00:08:13,840 performance record with the city having consistently delivered high quality lawn 111 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:18,080 care snow removal services under prior contracts. Their familiarity with the 112 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:22,080 corridor pro proven reliability and clear per event pricing structure 113 00:08:20,319 --> 00:08:26,240 together make them the most dependable and costefficient choice for their 114 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:33,200 upcoming season. So, we recommend that the contract uh um quote provided by 115 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:37,479 Paradise be the one accepted and we're here for any questions that you may 116 00:08:34,479 --> 00:08:37,479 have. 117 00:08:37,519 --> 00:08:41,680 » Uh one question I had, how did how did we work out last year? I know we did 118 00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:45,440 something. >> It was a very light winner. 119 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:49,360 » Yeah. La last year, I think the total bill was like $4,000 just the winner. 120 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:54,160 Um, we went [snorts] with Paradise last year, but it was originally we had Excel 121 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:57,600 Landscaping, who was the city's longtime contractor for this. Uh, at the last 122 00:08:56,000 --> 00:09:01,120 minute last year, Excel notified us that they no longer wanted it. 123 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:05,040 » So, since we do have the current landscaping contract with Paradise, we 124 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:08,399 brought it before the DDA board just to see if we'd expend extend their services 125 00:09:06,880 --> 00:09:12,000 just for the one year. It was also directed that this year we solicited 126 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:14,480 some quotes. So, that's what the DDA folks did. That's why they're back in 127 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:19,040 front of you guys asking question. Hey, we we met with um other contractors and 128 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:24,160 they said that they're scaling back their snow services that they're having 129 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:28,800 difficulty finding reliable labor as well as the cost to keep the assets 130 00:09:26,240 --> 00:09:32,720 needed on their books was just becoming too costly. So, it's actually 131 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:36,160 consolidating the number of vendors available to do this type of work. 132 00:09:34,399 --> 00:09:39,040 » We spoke to about six or seven and we only got three back. So 133 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:44,320 » yeah. >> And what do you know what um the 134 00:09:40,959 --> 00:09:50,320 all-inclusive package means for royal maintenance? 135 00:09:45,040 --> 00:09:57,680 » Yes. So in their bid um it shows that a uh gold premium package unlimited events 136 00:09:53,360 --> 00:10:03,200 1 to 8 in um as well as a response time to 1 to two hours uh and also salting 137 00:10:00,560 --> 00:10:10,080 before and after storms. So that would be uh their package and we like Mike 138 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:12,720 said we only expended 4,000 last year. So 139 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:18,640 » no I was just curious what is Paradise's time in response response time. 140 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:23,519 » They're usually here um before 8 a.m. They're on top of it and we have a 141 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:30,320 direct communication with the owner who is uh also the lawn care um contractor 142 00:10:28,560 --> 00:10:33,920 and they're very responsive. >> Okay. 143 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:37,279 What would happen uh or what would Paradise charge if if we had a 5 inch 144 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:43,040 snow? >> Yes. So, as you can see, the their 145 00:10:38,959 --> 00:10:49,440 pricing is tiered per inches. So, let me pull up their bid because it does go up 146 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:54,440 um based on the snow um 147 00:10:51,279 --> 00:10:54,440 » so if it's 148 00:10:54,560 --> 00:11:04,240 okay. And then 824 for any event between six and eight inches and 927 for eight 149 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:08,959 to 10 inches. And also they do salting based on our request. So it's not 150 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:12,959 something that they just do and then we get build. They will actually 151 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:19,519 communicate with me and ask would you like salt? So that can help um at least 152 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:24,959 keep the cost down and not doing it uh an exorbitant amount. 153 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:30,720 » Got it. Um I'm just curious if Lady has or um 154 00:11:28,399 --> 00:11:35,360 has ever had its own snow removal or either partnered with Southfield or even 155 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:42,640 the county for this service. >> We do have our DPW does the uh city hall 156 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:46,240 grounds as well and um but that is a good uh interesting idea to work in 157 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:50,720 coordination with Southfield to see if we could have the corridor be a part of 158 00:11:48,160 --> 00:11:55,120 their overall snow removal program. And that's communication or appro uh an 159 00:11:53,279 --> 00:12:00,440 approach we can start talking with them about next winter. 160 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:00,440 » So yeah, that's an interesting idea. 161 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:06,920 » Yeah. >> Any other questions? 162 00:12:07,279 --> 00:12:12,800 » So I'm sorry to follow up. You're saying that basically this is too much for DPW. 163 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:17,680 Then >> I can touch on that. So for just so you 164 00:12:15,200 --> 00:12:22,720 know, Ly actually contracts out our DPW services. Oh, th this this portion of 165 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:26,399 it's outside their scope plus the just the number of contractors we have. We 166 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:30,079 three or four a day. >> We would have no time to do this on top 167 00:12:28,399 --> 00:12:34,880 of taking care of all the roads. And part of the cost share agreement the 168 00:12:31,519 --> 00:12:39,440 city has with the DDA requires us to be responsible for the corridor. 169 00:12:36,560 --> 00:12:42,639 » I get it. Okay. >> Yeah. So that's why it's kind of 170 00:12:40,639 --> 00:12:46,399 interesting that this one aspect of the city is the DDA's responsibility. 171 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:55,760 Okay. Any additional comments, questions? 172 00:12:52,639 --> 00:13:03,200 All right. We'll take a motion to um approve the contract. 173 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:07,519 » I will make the I lost it. I'll make the a motion to authorize the DDA director 174 00:13:05,680 --> 00:13:12,800 to enter into a contract for snow removal services with Paradise Gardens 175 00:13:09,519 --> 00:13:14,880 for the 20 202526 winter season. 176 00:13:14,399 --> 00:13:18,800 Second. >> All right. Made in support questions. 177 00:13:17,040 --> 00:13:24,240 All those in favor? >> I I need a roll call. Right. 178 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:30,880 » I got everyone. >> All right. Uh, next item. 27907 179 00:13:28,959 --> 00:13:36,720 California Drive. Proposed purchase agreements. 180 00:13:31,760 --> 00:13:43,279 » Yes. So, we did um give an offer to the uh the bidder who bid on the lot located 181 00:13:40,720 --> 00:13:49,519 on California that's owned by the DDA. they um said the cost was outside their 182 00:13:46,320 --> 00:13:56,240 their structure. So um currently with their budget so uh they stepped back and 183 00:13:53,839 --> 00:14:02,560 did not provide a counter offer. So we were um interested in hearing your guys' 184 00:14:00,000 --> 00:14:09,600 input on the lot. was is this a lot that we would like to move and and sell uh 185 00:14:06,079 --> 00:14:15,360 just to get off the DDA's books or is this something where we're looking to 186 00:14:11,279 --> 00:14:20,720 get based on a fair market value? So, um when Mike and I put the RFP out, it was 187 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:27,040 more about the proposal itself, not the cost. Um we were looking to get a fair 188 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:31,440 market value as well as have more more ability to look over what was 189 00:14:29,519 --> 00:14:37,040 actually going to be built. so that it conformed with the city's master plan as 190 00:14:33,279 --> 00:14:42,959 well as that district in the city. So, um the contractor or the potential 191 00:14:40,320 --> 00:14:49,279 purchaser was going to put a urban nursery there and and grow uh fruit, 192 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:55,839 vegetable, and herbs and also have it be a educational 193 00:14:52,240 --> 00:15:01,279 um center in the city. And it was also going to be a low impact use right now 194 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:07,120 with that area. the city having the former school property being 195 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:13,040 redeveloped. It has um the residents there are looking to have something be 196 00:15:10,639 --> 00:15:17,440 lower impact because of the increased traffic that's already going to be 197 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:24,880 created due to that project. And this was a a p um a proposal that would 198 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:30,320 really only have the owner there on a daily basis and then have small groups 199 00:15:27,839 --> 00:15:33,920 um on a semi-regular basis and it was not going to increase the traffic 200 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:40,240 overall. It was also going to require minimal site development uh when it 201 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:44,480 comes to actually covering the parcel. One of the biggest concerns for re from 202 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:49,519 residents in that area of the city is the actual um 203 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:55,360 storm water management issues because we have a drain and ditch system here in 204 00:15:51,279 --> 00:16:02,480 the city. Any type of covering of currently pvious uh soil will result in 205 00:15:59,920 --> 00:16:07,120 changes in how storm water is managed. And with this use, it was going to allow 206 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:12,240 for storm water to be managed on site and actually probably have a a net 207 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:16,560 benefit for that area of the city because wa storm water was going to 208 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:23,279 actually be used to help water the plants. So, uh, when a year ago when 209 00:16:20,399 --> 00:16:29,120 Mike and I worked with Gifles Webster in potential uses of that lot, we saw it to 210 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:33,680 be condos, which would pretty much cover most of the lot itself, resulting in 211 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:39,519 storm water to have to be managed in another manner and also would increase 212 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:44,160 traffic. And the one of the roads, it's a triangular parcel. Monterey is 213 00:16:41,839 --> 00:16:52,240 unpaved. So it would require a developer to actually put infrastructure costs 214 00:16:47,199 --> 00:16:55,759 into it and the purchaser of the lot was not going to do that. She was not 215 00:16:54,000 --> 00:17:00,320 worried about it being a dirt road and was going to keep it as is. So we're 216 00:16:58,720 --> 00:17:04,640 we're here to talk with you. We talked about going in close session, but I 217 00:17:01,920 --> 00:17:09,839 think we can just discuss here. What is your guys's appetite with this parcel? 218 00:17:07,439 --> 00:17:15,280 How would you like to see it either developed or not developed? at what are 219 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:19,480 we looking to get when it comes to revenue from the sale of it 220 00:17:21,919 --> 00:17:25,839 » have to be sold? >> Not at this time. 221 00:17:24,559 --> 00:17:30,240 » Oh, okay. I just >> Yeah, I thought we talked about did was 222 00:17:28,160 --> 00:17:32,960 there a reason they couldn't lease it or >> That is something we can look back into. 223 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:37,679 We >> touched on that last. Yeah, we thought 224 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:42,960 that we didn't want to be uh >> be have a renter and be uh leasers of 225 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:46,320 the lot and have to manage the lease, but if it's going to be that the this 226 00:17:45,120 --> 00:17:50,799 use is >> she's very um she has an investor. She's 227 00:17:49,039 --> 00:17:54,400 very motivated. She's going to look for a different parcel somewhere else in the 228 00:17:52,400 --> 00:17:58,000 area. She lives in Southfield. She's not far. 229 00:17:55,280 --> 00:18:01,840 » Um so we'll lose out on this business and this is she also wanted 230 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:05,440 » it's a cost issue, right? I mean they're they're saying that we're the price that 231 00:18:04,080 --> 00:18:09,679 we're asking is too high. >> Yes. 232 00:18:07,280 --> 00:18:11,679 » And currently it's I mean it's sitting there. I mean we're not doing anything 233 00:18:11,120 --> 00:18:17,120 with it, right? >> Nope. And we're required to maintain it 234 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:20,480 and um also it's on uh we're not getting any tax value from it. 235 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:28,880 » Right. I know we had positive feedback from the community. The um the lease 236 00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:30,960 option for them. Um was she open to that? 237 00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:36,480 » She was open to it. She really wants this lot. She likes the location. She 238 00:18:33,840 --> 00:18:44,000 likes how it is located in the village center. She also um used to work uh in 239 00:18:41,120 --> 00:18:49,360 for the city of Ferndale as their zero waste coordinator. So, she understands 240 00:18:46,559 --> 00:18:53,840 what communities are trying to do with a master plan and develop certain aspects 241 00:18:52,080 --> 00:19:00,720 of their city. We have an overall village center design uh goal that we 242 00:18:58,000 --> 00:19:03,919 have here and she understands that and wants to be a part of it. She wants to 243 00:19:02,080 --> 00:19:09,039 be a part of the community. She even said in her response uh following me 244 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:12,799 giving her our initial offer said that she would still want to work together 245 00:19:10,559 --> 00:19:15,120 with us on different projects. She's really interested in starting a farmers 246 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:20,000 market. >> Um she was going to talk with John 247 00:19:16,720 --> 00:19:25,120 Roberts who owns the church to the west about doing it in the parking lot there. 248 00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:28,720 » Right. So I think the lease option um should at least be explored with her. 249 00:19:26,799 --> 00:19:32,320 » Yeah, I I definitely at least you know my opinion. I mean we should um you know 250 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:37,360 revisit that. >> Um you know I mean the way I look at it 251 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:40,720 it's more than you know just the price you know it's the value you know they 252 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:44,960 want to provide the district. So >> and also placemaking wise it it was a 253 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:50,480 good use. I think residents would like it and also many of their concerns 254 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:56,799 concerns. Mike, Tom and I kept brainstorming potential um pitfalls with 255 00:19:53,600 --> 00:20:03,360 this proposed use and we thought that there was always a solid response to um 256 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:06,240 any issues that could arise, especially storm water management. That was the 257 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:09,840 biggest concern because people don't want to see storm water building up in 258 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:14,000 their backyards or on their front yards. And this was actually going to be 259 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:17,840 absorbing more water than it was going to be offputting into the roads and onto 260 00:20:16,080 --> 00:20:22,000 neighboring lots. >> Yeah. No, I that's what would be my uh 261 00:20:21,440 --> 00:20:24,720 suggestion. >> How was the price determined? Was it 262 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:27,679 appraised or something? I mean, how did we come up with the price? 263 00:20:25,919 --> 00:20:32,960 » It wasn't a formal appraisal. Uh naturally, we know how much the DDA 264 00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:38,480 acquired it for back in 2013. Did a basic adjustment for inflation for 265 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:43,919 » asking price to start it. And we also looked at what other lots um unbuilt but 266 00:20:41,120 --> 00:20:48,720 are being sold in [snorts] the city. >> How big is the lot? 267 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:51,679 » It is just slightly under a half an acre. 268 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,559 » And what was supposed to go there? You said condos. I'm sorry. 269 00:20:52,799 --> 00:20:56,480 » No, no, no. This was going to be a nursery. 270 00:20:55,200 --> 00:21:00,080 » Oh, just a nursery. Okay. >> There was a um proposal for condos to be 271 00:20:59,039 --> 00:21:04,000 there at one point. >> Yeah, we looked into it that there was a 272 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:07,919 » on half an acre. >> It wasn't like it wasn't going to be 273 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:10,720 like massive obviously. I think it was like only two. 274 00:21:09,120 --> 00:21:15,760 » Yeah. Max it would have been like four to five like threetory. 275 00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:18,559 » First level would be Yeah. And that was just exploratory. That was nothing or 276 00:21:17,600 --> 00:21:21,840 anything like that. >> There was no Yeah. There was no 277 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:26,159 developer who we were engaging with about potentially developing that. We 278 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:30,720 just envisioned it as potentially being a use that could fit well in that part 279 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:36,159 of the district >> because it is in our village center 280 00:21:32,320 --> 00:21:40,400 district although it is outside the DVA. I think it's kind of hard to put your 281 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:45,840 finger on fair market value when it comes to that lot, which is an oddshaped 282 00:21:43,360 --> 00:21:50,960 lot. It has a lot of weed trees on it that are going to have to be leveled. 283 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:56,480 Um, and you you already had how many rounds of solicitations for two. 284 00:21:54,240 --> 00:22:01,840 » So, >> this this bidder seems to be the only 285 00:21:58,960 --> 00:22:09,200 one who's really interested in it. Um, so I would be in favor of lowering our 286 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:12,880 offer or asking a uh uh exploring the lease option if if that's at all 287 00:22:10,880 --> 00:22:15,600 possible from our perspective. Then it's going to mean more 288 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:20,960 » too much work on our end to be a landlord. Well, that's a consideration. 289 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:25,440 » That was actually when we presented the concept to our planning consultant, 290 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:29,679 their f first response back was look into it being a lease. 291 00:22:26,960 --> 00:22:32,159 » Yeah. because other um urban nurseries that's how they acquire their property 292 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:37,360 is >> so I do have a I'm sorry for to 293 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:40,240 interrupt me I do have a question um I make you forget what the question was 294 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:43,200 you >> no [laughter] I was saying no but I was 295 00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:48,559 like trying to jump in there >> and because it's such the cost um 296 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:52,720 structure for in the revenue for this type of business is the margins are so 297 00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:57,600 tight that is another reason many of these urban industries go with a lease 298 00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:59,200 because it is more affordable for him in the long run. 299 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:03,760 » No, I know what I was going to say. >> Okay. 300 00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:07,679 » Um, what was the like the difference in what we asked? You don't have to give 301 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:10,720 like a dollar figure, but what was it a major gap? And what 302 00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:13,360 » it was such a major gap she didn't counter. 303 00:23:12,159 --> 00:23:18,640 » Okay. >> And then also just thinking about what's 304 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:24,799 going on with the city. I I'm not in favor of being a landlord because um 305 00:23:23,026 --> 00:23:30,240 [snorts] if they do decide to move, then we're back at square one after their 306 00:23:27,360 --> 00:23:35,200 lease is over. And so also with it being lease and that means that the city, not 307 00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:37,760 the DDA, right, has to take care of that property. 308 00:23:35,840 --> 00:23:41,039 » Yes. >> Yeah. 309 00:23:38,559 --> 00:23:44,559 » Okay. Oh, and then my last question. And if we sell it, that means we have just 310 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:48,559 sell it as is. That means that we have no control over what is built there 311 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:52,159 besides what the ordinances. >> Yep. Planning commission through the 312 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:56,799 site plan review process would be the only um regulatory aspect of it. 313 00:23:55,440 --> 00:24:00,240 » Well, one aspect of that, that's where the purchase agreement comes into play 314 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:03,840 where if we do sell it, we can put semistructured terms in the purchase 315 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:11,279 agreement of what can and cannot go there. And then um also have we uh 316 00:24:07,919 --> 00:24:14,000 solicited a realtor that can maybe also help with giving more of an accurate 317 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:18,880 price? >> Um not at this time, but that is 318 00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:23,279 something we can uh look into. It was a market value based off of what recent 319 00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:29,679 lots have sold in the city. That was where the offer came from. 320 00:24:26,559 --> 00:24:34,240 » So what are what would you say is our current yearly cost to maintain that 321 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:38,880 property? I I'd have to do a little homework dwing 322 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:42,720 the biggest thing it's landscaping every year. So mowing it weekly 323 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:48,080 » and there's ways to structure we can look into this um to structure the lease 324 00:24:45,679 --> 00:24:53,120 so such that the maintenance and things that we may be assuming 325 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:59,279 » we have to be responsible for as a landlord is are mitigated to a great 326 00:24:56,400 --> 00:25:02,799 extent. So, I mean, we can I I hear what what um what what Kellyy's saying about 327 00:25:01,039 --> 00:25:06,080 the being the landlord and if you know if they leave, we're back where we are 328 00:25:04,960 --> 00:25:13,840 right now. >> So, we're I mean, so that but I think we 329 00:25:09,279 --> 00:25:18,559 should look at um um how the lease could be structured to, you know, kind of 330 00:25:16,559 --> 00:25:22,480 mitigate the landlord issues that we may be assuming we're undertaking. 331 00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:27,120 » And I would rather throw another monkey wrench in this one. I would rather them 332 00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:30,480 take over the community garden curtain, at least that part, seeing that that's 333 00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:34,559 going to be another thing that we're about to run into. 334 00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:40,640 » Yes. Um Yeah. And these are all great ideas that we can look into. I I'm 335 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:44,320 actually in favor of a lease because the lot would be it wouldn't be developed 336 00:25:43,039 --> 00:25:50,000 that much. There would be a small structure for an office, a bathroom, and 337 00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:53,520 a uh processing area. And also that processing area will be used for 338 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:59,039 community groups to come in and do educational workshops. And most of the 339 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:03,600 lot is going to be a greenhouse or continue. It'll be cleared out with the 340 00:26:01,039 --> 00:26:07,440 trees. So if a developer wanted to come in, it wouldn't take much to do site 341 00:26:05,919 --> 00:26:09,360 prep to begin what they would like to do. 342 00:26:07,760 --> 00:26:14,640 » I swear this is my last question. >> Okay. 343 00:26:10,799 --> 00:26:18,480 » I'm no Bruce Caner. I'm still [laughter] >> um who's going to be doing the clearing 344 00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,159 out of the trees? Would it be on the Okay. 345 00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,840 Okay. Thank you. >> Okay. I have a few questions. Go ahead. 346 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:28,480 » So, what is there something that says we had 347 00:26:25,679 --> 00:26:31,600 to do the adjustment for today's pricing? Like what if we sold it for 348 00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:35,840 what we paid for it? Was that going to be still too high? We were 349 00:26:33,633 --> 00:26:43,200 [clears throat] um uh we were looking to make a small profit to help with our 350 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:48,400 budget, but um at this time um we we're open to any concepts or ideas of how we 351 00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:51,600 can help improve that part of the city. Yeah, and that's one of the reasons why 352 00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:57,120 we kept this on the agenda was to have this conversation to see if the DDA 353 00:26:54,960 --> 00:27:01,039 wanted to go back and essentially recoup the cost that they paid for it back in 354 00:26:58,880 --> 00:27:03,279 the day or take less and just get it developed and get off the books. That's 355 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:07,520 that's why we're having this. >> There's a small parcel that's oddly 356 00:27:04,559 --> 00:27:11,840 shaped. It's behind a building. I mean, >> um, storm water drainage issues or 357 00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:15,360 considerations at least. >> Um, cannot say that. 358 00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:20,138 » And god forbid that the the city doesn't want to be a landlord. Now you see how 359 00:27:16,799 --> 00:27:22,158 landlords feel, right? [clears throat] 360 00:27:23,039 --> 00:27:27,679 » And and they are they are interested in leasing or 361 00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,320 they're they're not >> they would be open to leasing. Yes. 362 00:27:29,120 --> 00:27:33,440 » I just find it hard to believe that somebody who wants to lease is going to 363 00:27:31,760 --> 00:27:38,640 build a building knowing that they're going to get no equity out of it. 364 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:40,320 » She is more missiondriven than profit driven. 365 00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:43,919 » Yeah, I get that. Yeah. >> Still, it's it's an investment and you 366 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:46,559 know it's money it's from their perspective, it's money down the drain. 367 00:27:45,360 --> 00:27:50,480 » Yeah. that wouldn't be recouped. >> Well, 368 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:53,440 I But again, if you structure it a certain way though, where they feel as 369 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:57,120 though they're getting at least enough, you know what I'm saying? Things are 370 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:59,600 » they have expectations are bad. So, they don't feel like they've got a lot of 371 00:27:58,159 --> 00:28:03,200 expenses that they >> surely cannot pay for. Y 372 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:06,720 » um that might be something, you know, I'm not sure how you do that if you like 373 00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:10,000 all the maintenance on them, but >> and I'm sorry. 374 00:28:08,640 --> 00:28:13,279 » Yeah, maintenance. Yeah, you can put that in the lease. I said though, I'm 375 00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:16,399 not sure how you keep the cost low for this for the lei if all the maintenance 376 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,520 is on them as well. >> Gotcha. 377 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,640 » Yeah. >> Okay. 378 00:28:18,880 --> 00:28:24,080 » But she was ready to go because she said that the best time to clear that type of 379 00:28:22,399 --> 00:28:27,520 a lot is the winter. >> So, 380 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:29,200 » yeah. Everything's down. >> They said I was done. 381 00:28:28,559 --> 00:28:32,720 » It's okay. >> Can you ask? [laughter] 382 00:28:31,360 --> 00:28:36,000 » I've already given I've done it quite a few too. 383 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:40,240 » Is there an option of God? What is it called? [snorts] Don't bite out. Um 384 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:43,440 » Lee stone. lay stone. >> Yeah, I was gonna say lay contract. 385 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:50,159 » Laying contract. Yeah. >> I mean, we can we're open to any 386 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:56,000 concept. And I to be honest as a planner I I thought the proposed use was a 387 00:28:53,279 --> 00:29:01,600 fantastic addition to the city, the village center and also it was not going 388 00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:06,080 to um disrupt the neighbors uh the neighboring residents as much because 389 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:13,840 this is a an area where the commercial corridor at buffers along residential. 390 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:18,320 So, it it's um an area where it could increase the traffic or do you or it's 391 00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:23,120 going to increase anyways because of what's going on at the school. 392 00:29:21,679 --> 00:29:25,760 » Uh, one last question. >> Yeah, go for it. 393 00:29:23,840 --> 00:29:27,200 » Does the city have any means to develop it itself? 394 00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:29,120 » No. >> No. 395 00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:31,760 » Yeah. [laughter] >> That was quick. 396 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:34,559 » Okay. >> Okay. 397 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:38,480 » Very gently. >> We've had those discussions internally 398 00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:42,320 for a little over a year now. And uh No. >> Okay. with respect. 399 00:29:40,559 --> 00:29:45,279 » Okay. Was it respect? >> Okay, I understand. 400 00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:48,399 » Just out of curious, was it more of an idea thing or a finance thing or both 401 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:52,440 » for the city? >> Yes. 402 00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:52,440 » Cost. Okay. 403 00:29:53,200 --> 00:30:01,120 » So, what are the next steps for this? >> I I personally would like to go back and 404 00:29:58,480 --> 00:30:06,720 explore the lease option with her. I think um or if this is more about 405 00:30:04,559 --> 00:30:12,640 selling the property, we could lower the cost. So, I would like direction from 406 00:30:10,159 --> 00:30:17,679 the board how you'd like me to proceed. Um, personally, I think there is a way 407 00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:25,520 to structure the lease in a way where it is favorable to her in the city. 408 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:29,039 » Yeah. I say we um and we obviously we can talk to you but uh whatever the 409 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:32,000 concerns are >> and I would like to talk to Alex more 410 00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:35,720 about being a property owner, >> right? 411 00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,720 » Yeah. 412 00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:45,919 » Okay. I will I will engage with the um the uh proposal the individual who's 413 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:50,399 looking to uh acquire the property about a lease if they'd be interested in that 414 00:30:47,919 --> 00:30:55,279 or if she really is that driven about coming back with a a new offer 415 00:30:53,679 --> 00:31:00,399 because I love the concept. I think it's a great addition. 416 00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:03,640 » Yeah, that sounds good. >> Thank you. 417 00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:09,320 » Director's report. All right. 418 00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:18,480 So, we have a few events coming up in the uh the month. 419 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:24,159 First one will be a small business social um event hosted by Oakland Thrive 420 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:28,640 at the event house here in Lake Village across the street. It's about strategic 421 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:33,919 planning and networking. It is on Saturday, November 29th from 11:00 a.m. 422 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:39,200 to 1 pm. The Southfield Chamber Area Commerce in Oakland Thrive with a small 423 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:43,760 business social um designed to help business owners create strategic plan 424 00:31:41,039 --> 00:31:47,919 for 2026. Connect with peers, share ideas, and walk away with tools, 425 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:52,080 inspiration to grow their business. Registration can be uh completed at 426 00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:58,159 southfieldchamber.com. Uh, as we mentioned before, on December 427 00:31:54,720 --> 00:32:01,760 5th, the first Friday of the month, the Village Winter Festival will be from 428 00:31:59,679 --> 00:32:05,919 6:00 to 8 here in the community room at city hall. Join the DDA and many of our 429 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:10,240 community partners for a cheerful evening of holiday fun for all ages. 430 00:32:08,159 --> 00:32:14,960 Activities include cook decorating, holiday crafts, ornament making, and 431 00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:20,480 photos with Santa. Also, there's an ongoing toy drive in coordination with 432 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:27,279 boys to use mentoring. We ask anyone who's interested in helping children 433 00:32:23,279 --> 00:32:34,000 enjoy a wonderful Christmas to either drop off uh donated toys here at city 434 00:32:31,519 --> 00:32:42,960 hall in the lobby or at Boys and Men's office located at 28050 Southfield Road 435 00:32:38,159 --> 00:32:47,600 at sweet 170 until December 12th. um what's going on currently with some 436 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:52,000 of our businesses at 2700 Southfield Road. Discount Tire, they are 437 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:56,399 continuing their interior buildout uh and updating of the showroom. Their new 438 00:32:54,240 --> 00:33:01,200 signs, both the monument and the two principal wall signs because they are a 439 00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:07,519 corner lot. They do have the option to put two signs up that have been uh 440 00:33:04,559 --> 00:33:12,799 installed this past month. We have a new business lo coming coming in at 26780 441 00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:17,600 Southfield Road where 44 Burrito was located. It's called Holyberger. They 442 00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:21,840 have um a couple other locations in the area. They've gotten rave reviews. Their 443 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:26,399 business license application has been received. It's under review. Their wall 444 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:30,559 sign has been put up. There's very little interior alterations being done. 445 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:34,640 They were actually there earlier this week painting the interior and they 446 00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:38,080 should be opening relatively soon once their business applications received. 447 00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:42,000 Hopefully we can work with the local chambers to do a grand opening which all 448 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:48,080 of you will be invited to to come on out and welcome our uh new business here in 449 00:33:44,880 --> 00:33:54,159 Lther Village. uh across the street at 27651 Southfield Road, Middle East. They 450 00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:58,640 received site plan approval on Tuesday during our November planning commission 451 00:33:55,840 --> 00:34:04,559 meeting to expand their dining room by 1900 square feet into the adjacent 452 00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:10,800 adjacent tenant space which was a former retail location for um eyeglasses and 453 00:34:07,919 --> 00:34:15,679 the use was switched to restaurant. So they will be expanding their business 454 00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:19,119 has uh done very well. We're happy to have them in the district and we're 455 00:34:17,359 --> 00:34:25,359 happy they chose Laam Village as their home. The ongoing installation of two EV 456 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:30,000 chargers here in the city hall parking lot is ongoing and as well as the 457 00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:36,000 installation of two Hawk signals on Southfield Road between Calbr and 458 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:40,159 Margaret um along Southfield are being completed. Both are looking to be uh 459 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:45,119 actually somebody was using the EV charger earlier today, but the 460 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:49,599 electrification of the Hawk signals are still to be done soon. 461 00:34:47,599 --> 00:34:54,480 Staff, we are currently in the process of drafting a grant for proposed traffic 462 00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:58,960 calming along 11 mile at the intersections of Lesser Boulevard and 463 00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:03,280 Southfield. General Motors in coordination with NA the National Main 464 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:08,640 Street Organization host a grant each year for 465 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:14,800 uh communities that have a General Motors facility nearby Oakland County. 466 00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:21,680 We qualify as one. So we are doing um a proposal for traffic markings on the 467 00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:27,359 road. This is a very congested area at Leather Boulevard. There is a merging of 468 00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:33,119 traffic coming off 696 as well as continuing traffic of 11 mile which is 469 00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:38,160 intersected by Laser Boulevard. It's a very um I used to drive it. Um Tom 470 00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:43,119 currently drives it. It is difficult coming off 696 or if you're on 11 mile 471 00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:49,040 trying to get to Southfield, it's difficult with traffic coming off at 472 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:54,480 highway speed uh on 696 ramp as well as the cross traffic laser boulevard and 473 00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:54,480 then down Yes.