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>> we are taking public comment now. Are there any public comment this evening? I think you know the

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routine by now. How are you?

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good evening mayor and commissioners.

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I am a former pio and brenda all back town

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resident. We run the see

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shorts program as volunteers. We are here to ask

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for some more money for our shows for next year. We want

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to do a third show and I will let them

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talk about it. But

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the program is going really well.

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there 18 senior citizens involved in

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every show and these are people in their 70s and 80s that get

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so much meaning and fulfillment out of taking part of the

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use classes. The community gets to come to all of these free shows and

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it is a victory for everyone. I will let them

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talk about the new play that we want to do

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in january.

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>> thank you for having us. First of all I

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live here in lauderdale by the sea. And I've been running the theater

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arts program here in the community center

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since 2015.

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as he gestated we've been doing the see shorts play festival twice

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a year. We are able to do that free of charge and the plays

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are submitted by local playwrights. We want to expand

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the program by doing a published play.

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and in order to do that we had to play pay the performance

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rights. We want to do a play called the dinner party which is a

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comedy. Performance rights are $125 per performance. There is no negotiation

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it is any theater company that wants to do a published

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play that is what it requires. We want to do six performances like we

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do see shorts and we are asking for

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thousand dollars that would pay for the

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six performances. The additional $250 would

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be for a set instead of using card tables

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that we have here in the community

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center. This would allow us to not have

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to charge for admission. We love being able

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to make theater accessible

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to everyone. Local citizens as well as tourists that

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come by. If this is not approved for the budget

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we would like to see if we can get permission to charge five dollars

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for a ticket which would then pay for the

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performance rights. So either option would work for

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us.

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thank you.

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>> are you a gambling man? You either get

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the money or we give you more at the gate.

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>> we would rather have all of the shows for free. That

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makes it so much easier. Our budget is $1000 now

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so we are asking for and increase

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to $2000.

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>> thank you.

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are there any discussion items for 2023-2024

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present levels?

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>> good evening. Linda connors

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town manager. I wanted to remind the public and

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the commission about this meeting and how it

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is extra from what we've done in the past. At our meeting on

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may 23rd we had a presentation where he explained the

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budget process talked to the commission a bit about the

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standard cost to keep this level of service

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the same and then what proposed enhancements that we

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have in each department

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to present the budget this year. At this time we

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asked the commission if they had any ideas they would

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like us to include. Tonight we have a list of proposed

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budget enhancements and we have printed out a sheet for you to

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talk about what we have found as

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added. We want you to look at that and see if you do

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agree with the numbers. We would

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like these programs to be eliminated and then we would like to have

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them prioritized. Next week we will get the figures from the county

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about what assessments are for this year. We

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will have and idea of what money we will have to spend

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for the next year and then at what we will be able to do is tell

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you where we will fall on getting proposed

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enhancements approved based on the millage rate that we

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have currently. At our next meeting in july we will bring

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back that information and then you can

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decide how you want to handle moving forward. Do

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you want to go to roll back and you will know what will be funded if we

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do this. We could keep the millage rate the same and then you

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will have and idea on what will be funded at that time or you could even

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change the millage rate to make sure that more of those enhancements

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are funded. As of now what I would like to

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do is open this up as we have a list of proposed enhancements

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that you have. And maybe

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we can just go through all of them is the public so that everyone can

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know what they are really quickly.

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we did this by department

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and not by priority. The visitor center is looking to have in

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open house for businesses which is in additional $1500. The administration

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is going to have three new commission potentials at the next

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year. I am currently looking to redo strategic plans

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because that is the last time that we did this when

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connie hoffman was sitting in this seat. You all have

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ethics training with the attorney as in additional

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cost which you could do online if you

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wanted. We are looking at hitting the year

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getting computer updates and we would like to stagger them. The last

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time we bought all the computers on the same year and what we would

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like to do now is to stagger those purchases we have a lobbyist for $30,000.

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we do print and mail the town topics

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for the $25,000 town expense.

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if you just slide the numbers up a bit you can see there are several

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items that we have that we are proposing that are extra. I

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did not include the basic special events which

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I do can include with fourth of july

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veterans day boo by the sea and christmas by the sea as the four standards

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that I believe are extras we

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provide well. Dive into stump summer is the

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re-band of bug fast and friday night music which was the

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two times a week for five months instead of once

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a month. So that went from

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50,000 200,000.

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movies of the park and kids by the sea with

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the 75th celebration with yoga by the sea as well and bso with

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the enhanced patrol which is $80,000.

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there are development services asking for

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a new since abatement program and a multi-hazard mitigation plan

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with florida friendly landscape to follow up the

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brochure that is being printed with the scavenger hunt.

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public works with the enhancements we currently have additional

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bathroom cleaning hiring a contractor instead of having

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staff do it so the bathroom downtown can stay open later. The

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pressure of cleaning and enhance cleaning we

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will talk about

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as well. The bathroom downtown needs renovated. $24,000 is

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for that and of course the commissioner asked for and increase to

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the emergency fund. So those are the

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basic numbers that we have in front of you. What I would like to do first

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is talk about if

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they are looking at any items for next

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year's budget.

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>> we are in uniform this evening. The rest of

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the commission did not get that memo.

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that being said, I did have to

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cover us.

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okay. So commissioner mel kuhn and commissioner pull-up los

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followed by commissioner wall lake and

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commissioner strauss?

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>> hello. Just a few comments and questions. The comprehensive

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plan is included in the expenses of this budget?

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is for this year's budget.

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>> but it will continue?

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>> yes. And then just some comments, would these different events

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and things for instance the friday night music and what have you

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a lot of advance notice but I know that

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we want to make sure we are getting sponsorships and different

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things to utilize leases for computer equipment and

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things of that nature. Things that may be more

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cost-effective when we are planning?

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>> what we have to do with this

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budget is look at the money. If we can't say friday

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night music were going to raise $50,000 so it's only going to

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be budgeted for $50,000,

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that is how the normal budget works but that's not how the

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municipal budget works. We have to budget for the whole $100,000. The

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revenue is over here. So we have to show

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$100,000 in the budget and then that revenue will

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be elsewhere. We can't just

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reduce it.

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>> I was just making the point that we are making

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and effort. And then I

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know that the emergency fund is here and I want to talk about

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that for just a second. When this was approved I don't know if

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it was commissioner claudia who increased added it or something but at the time

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I think connie hoffman wisely took this

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and the town attorney discussed it turning it into a hurricane

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and then and emergency fund. So this is for

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any emergency. It could be budgetary or storm

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or anything. My question is, how do you determine that we do need and

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additional 500,000? Is it based on a different study in the case of

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this storm, we have to have things that

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are covered. What is the standard with however many months

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of salaries and where are the upfront costs that we

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need to have reimbursed later on?

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what other forms of payment to we have and

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is there and amounts needing to earn money or can we have in open

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line of credit?

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to put and amount of money without knowing exactly what might be the

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standard is in issue.

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is widow brian are here what is the plan during those kinds

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of events?

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>> good evening. I had the privilege to

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meet with a bunch of neighbors across the way

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in the gulf that unfortunately were hit by

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hurricane last year. And this did come up. Fort

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myers beach blew through their emergency fund in less than

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a month. So that kind of got the discussion started. If we get hit

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with a category one versus a category five

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those amounts of money are significantly

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different. At one time they were making levels having problems

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with assessors after the fact

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and then essentially telling people they don't have to pay property taxes.

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so there was no revenue source coming in

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and they had and emergency fund reserves and then taxes

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were frozen. Whatever they collected at that time was all they

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were getting. God for bid we get a storm

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like this I think the thought process will be to take a serious look at

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what we have in reserves and make sure we are comfortable

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with that number. It does vary from community to community. They have

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all had different standards with input from

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staff and surrounding communities with what they

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are doing.

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>> do we have those kinds of discussions to see what other

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missed polities might do or what have you?

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>> there are casual conversations but

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no numbers.

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>> this might be a good amount or it might be

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too little. Are there other forms?

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should we have in open line of credit if

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it hits the only use for that purpose?

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>> I do think that that leads to

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another segway into what staff is looking for

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new banking probably going through this fall

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which is something we will take a look at for a question

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in the rfp and lines of credit should be got for bid have

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been issue.

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>> I wanted to have a better number and maybe a more scientific number.

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that is all.

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>> going back to the

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emergency fund what is this earmarked for god for bid there be

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a storm and we cannot collect taxes or support the government. What

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else would this be earmarked for

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specifically?

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>> it would be considered a rainy day fund. The vice mayor did

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a good job illustrating that should be got for bid have another pandemic

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and the income would come from taxes. We need to have a source

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of income to pay the vendors and to pay staff.

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>> or of cost is increase we need to bring someone in before they

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get paid by fema or something with cash

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on hand. To pay someone for something that was not budgeted

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we have a contingency that we always keep

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of $100,000 but that is not enough to do something

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major. And that is what that 2.5 is

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for.

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>> I didn't know if that was something that had

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to trigger or us just saying we have and additional slush fund that we

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can use whenever we want.

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>> that funding is set is kept separate so we would

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not be using it for day-to-day operations. Not on

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a normal basis. Is there it and emergency and x, y, and z is happened.

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can you expend funds at this

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time?

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>> while you are there I know linda mentioned the enhanced pressure

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can you going to that?

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>> we are getting brand-new pavers and currently the pavers are 10 years

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old but extremely

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beat up. Currently we clean twice a week and we are looking to

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expand that at four times a week doubling the amount of service to keep them in the best conditions.

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I know the number is a shock as we are paying

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200,000 now. I am happy again

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to work with her vendors when we do go to rfp and try to get

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the best price possible but I

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did want to present you with what I think is a number and not come

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back and say we are hundred 50,000 short. I want to accept the challenge

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of doing more

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with less.

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>> for our building and europa we just pressure washed a year ago.

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the building has not been painted cents. The pressure washed

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did nothing. Whether it is tile or stucco or whatever it

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may be you're not getting it out no matter

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how much more you pressure wash it. So will it make a

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difference? If you're doing this twice as many times some services

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it will work in other sources it will do

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no good.

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>> we want to try to keep it at that level as opposed

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to saying it's degraded and we can't fix that. Essentially now we are removing

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new stains and that is not coming out.

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like the chocolate ice cream that's been

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there since it was put there is not coming

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out now. But we do want to maintain a level where we

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can keep it in the best condition and not

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be reactive.

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>> this is a foreseeable cost that

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will run as not just a one time shot.

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we are raising this now and for

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the future.

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>> thank you commissioner.

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that will take us to

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commissioner strauss.

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>> good morning, good afternoon, good

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evening and good night. Let's start with a question

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that we have on the budget document that you

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sent.

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it says funding for traffic calming measures and other additional funds.

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as you know my concern was with the area of sober shores in the district

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south of commercial.

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there is a lot of concern here with the traffic

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that is going through west straight wind passing benihana's continuing

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on with issues that are happening in the last

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several months. We talked about the process of

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looking into that and it

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does entail a traffic study before we do anything

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else. And then potentially other calming devices

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as well. We are talking about funding for traffic is

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that something

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different?

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>> it is at the very bottom that we will discuss that during

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the cip. It does belong in the capital improvement

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plan. So we have not forgotten about you. It will just be discussed

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in the next meeting.

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>> I hope that everyone understands they are

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not forgotten. I know that we do have a town meeting

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for the community coming up toward the end of the week that will follow

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this and that is important. With regards to

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the pressure the $200,000 is being afraid by the

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businesses downtown and what they will pay as part of the cleaning responsibilities?

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>> that is a great point. As part of the sidewalk

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cafe fee this is what we are looking into. It will bring the cost

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down but we are budgeting based on what

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I believe the cost will be and again I do hope it is

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significantly lower.

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>>> friday night music with $100,000 for

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10 shows I believe we see that it is a success. Everyone has been very happy

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with this. One thing that I did ask for

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last year, before we started doing

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this, is I had a major question.

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at one time I did say the business downtown

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that benefited from this should kick in some

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money toward it. And I thought that was fair. We had some discussion back

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and forth with indication from them saying

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they are not benefiting financially therefore they do not

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want to give any money toward it.

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what I did ask, is that I would like to see some kind of metrics

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after this year. Things that may indicate whether or not there was success on

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a financial standpoint for these businesses.

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I would like to see some kind of

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fair share whether it is a token amount

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or something to put in because they do have some skin in the game. And

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I think it is fair to ask for contribution toward that level.

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it is a benefit to the businesses as well

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as the community and I do feel like everyone has a good time. I

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would ask the town continue to work in on this with discussions

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downtown and with all of that in mind seeing if we could get

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some contribution with that increase that

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we are going to spend now and having more

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shows and benefits added to the community.

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lastly can you explain what nuisance abatement

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consists of?

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>> that is the job of janel.

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>> good evening. This is janel campbell. Nuisance abatement basically

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provides a sum of money when you have a problem or

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code property for example that has issues that we cannot seem to get

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the property owner to remedy. The

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town would be through nuisance abatement programs which will require and

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ordinance amendment and you would be able to go in

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and remedy this issue ourselves. And then

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lien the cost of the abatement to the property.

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>> for example,

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last year the highest house on pine avenue was a mess. And then we had

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the house and bel air that also had a broken fence and a pool that

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was not being maintained. So the town took

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the responsibility to pay for someone to put a

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fence up because it was a detriment to public safety to

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have that pool open. We also did hire somebody to maintain

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the yard of the property.

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the cost was easy because it was small. It can however get out

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of control very quickly and it can eat up

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the town budget. That is kind of what janel is looking at.

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>> that does not mean that the entire amount would be used. In the next

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budget year it is just available should a larger issue, or a multitude

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of issues come up.

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>> the money that we are outlaying

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now would be

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toward the nuisance abatement. But we would be leaning those properties

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likely trying to call that money back in

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the future. Really it is and investment in improving

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the community with the hopes of getting that money back from the

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property owner?

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>> they would not necessarily be bogged

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down in the code process and they could

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fix those issues on her own time.

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>> thank you. Being last, a lot of my comments have already been

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addressed. But I will take a shot at this. The emergency fund is something

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that I did

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bring up. One of the things in particular that

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this covers, it has happened in numerous storms

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and it didn't necessarily have to be that large but it would cover any

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expense that we would have to upfront that fema

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could reimburse.

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>> and I do believe that was a good point with a

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lot of good, to receiving from the west coast communities. The running joke

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as you see the money 10 years after a

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storm if you are lucky. There are upfront costs that we do hope we

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get reimbursed 8090 and hundred percent four. But the bills are due

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to contractors and whether or not fema decides to pay

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for them.

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or they come back and say this is no longer eligible. It

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will continue to give us a security blanket being able to address our

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needs immediately and try to return the town to some normalcy.

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>> it's also in in independent and separate fund

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unlike parking where we can use it at our discretion.

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this would specifically be for the emergency

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type items as it states.

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>> it is designated by the commission what

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they would be used for.

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>> back to the fema example did you

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not inherit some old payments that were coming to you from

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fema when you first started with us? They may have taken forever and

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you had to account for them to make sure you had every nickel and

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dime that should've been allocated to

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us but they came in dribs and drabs?

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>> yes.

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>> it would cover town topics like

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this. I think we have addressed this before and it is a big chunk of money

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for something that is becoming quite obsolete in today's technology. We

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have the email blast and all kinds of other

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methods now. I think if push comes to

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shove and we have to have some printed we could stack them in the

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town hall next to the pelican or wherever the pelican is distributed. Or at

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the visitor center or some business that

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would like it in here at their front doors

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or wherever they keep it. It would throw them in

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the driveway. Friday night music

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is purely a budget issue. It could potentially be a cost-saving issue

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if there were ever any and we don't have to spend that money. Unfortunately

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that does happen. Enhanced patrol.

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can you elaborate on that?

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>> if

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you want to address what we've all addressed and then throw in one or

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two that you have everyone collaborate and then go back to this without building

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it up on one. Let's get back to those that

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we have not addressed. Because we do

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want to talk about what we were just looking at. Then we can

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come back instead of just biting onto three

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or four different topics we can go around again. Just to stay on point

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with what most people are concerned with now and then we can get into

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the other areas. Instead of

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going for five let's do the two or three and inserting a

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couple of town topics.

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>> do you want me to address the enhanced patrol?

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>> if you could.

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not that were not going to address it but I

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would like to get to my points because there is a lot regarding six

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and seven. I do want to address whatever one else

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is brought up and then look at my own. We do have and additional

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contract with bso which is $80,000 that we

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have set aside every year. Tom is not recommending and increased to

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that this year. But that

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is when on spring break you have more of a police presence in the

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downtown areas.

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>> the enhanced visibility is a separate contract of the town has with the

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bso and is enhanced visibility during peak season. We run this through the

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past easter and it is

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a dedicated deputy in the downtown area from thursday night to friday saturday

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and sunday evening during peak

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times. It was started around the pandemic and the town has continued it

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since then. It has proven very successful as a program that

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is well-received by the public and the businesses. Deputies

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are there on the scene and they can address any issues that may come from

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downtown and dedicate staff for visibility and it is contractual so deputy

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must be there for every one of those evenings

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and they are handpicked by myself and

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a lieutenant.

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>> my point was that it was further downtown

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versus the enhanced patrols in the neighborhoods.

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>> thank you commissioner. Obviously number

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one is the increase in the

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emergency fund.

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I believe this is a hypothetical.

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it is important to have reserves and I do believe

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we do have and ample amount now because I don't think we could've ever guessed

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how much we could need. As the commissioner gestated in the vice

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mayor has stated it is a hypothetical.

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if we increase of 500 why not

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1 million? Or 1,000,000 1/2? We will burn through as much as

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we can. So it is great to prepare and I

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understand in c ranch club be

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there are the reserves and something we did not have. It is very

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important because we will have continuing upgrades and repairs that

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are constant. What we don't know is when we will have the storm.

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we have not had one yet since I've been there for 14

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years. To burden the taxpayers and the budget with trying to come up

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with $500,000 we may lose the opportunity to continue

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to move the town in the level in which we have because

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we are putting $500,000 into reserves remain

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every use. Once you raise the tax it doesn't come back

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out. I'm not suggesting that we do not be prudent or prepared but this

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is something that we have not touched in 14 years. To burden 45% of the proposed

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budget in the 22 line items to that

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one item is something that we will struggle with in the budget and keeping

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the village where it is. The public works enhanced pressure cleaning we've

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gone through and I just want to run some numbers. Unfortunately they are

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not pretty but this is what we do is

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a town.

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I am not happy about it but it is what it is.

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I think our revenue for the outdoor cafes about $80,000. The current

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cluster pressure cleaning is 200,000.

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out-of-pocket is 170 or maybe less because we

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have other things that we have to do trash this that and the other and

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it's not all going into pressure cleaning.

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when we do this new improvement the understanding is that the budget could

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possibly go with $450,000 plus for pressure

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cleaning. When I run the numbers in

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my head I understand maintenance and projections. If we are hypothetically

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spending $3 million in a downtown project we will spend 2 1/2

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million cleaning new pavers in five years. What we

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are paying for the clean pavers

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basically exceed the budget of putting this downtown for

506
00:34:19,833 --> 00:34:22,833
a lifelong 20 years and I am not suggesting that there is

507
00:34:22,833 --> 00:34:28,833
a way around that. We did go at this pretty

508
00:34:29,833 --> 00:34:32,833
hard. But we have to review this and I'm glad

509
00:34:32,833 --> 00:34:37,330
the commissioner has picked up on it

510
00:34:38,833 --> 00:34:40,833
as well.

511
00:34:41,833 --> 00:34:43,833
it is important. There is no question about that. The commissioner

512
00:34:43,833 --> 00:34:45,833
has brought up some great points that I

513
00:34:45,833 --> 00:34:50,833
did not in the meeting with you but they are solid and they are

514
00:34:50,833 --> 00:34:55,330
right on. Is it necessary the amount.

515
00:34:56,833 --> 00:34:58,833
that is something

516
00:35:02,833 --> 00:35:04,833
that is tough to swallow. Because it will never

517
00:35:04,833 --> 00:35:08,833
go away. In 10 years it's another 3 million

518
00:35:08,833 --> 00:35:16,330
we just can't keep doing it. That is one of our biggest

519
00:35:17,833 --> 00:35:20,833
budget items and I know it's tough. We went out and we will

520
00:35:20,833 --> 00:35:24,833
have to figure this out as a commission.

521
00:35:24,833 --> 00:35:28,833
this is a tough one to swallow. But if that is what the market

522
00:35:28,833 --> 00:35:30,833
is bearing then we need to get our head wrapped

523
00:35:30,833 --> 00:35:37,833
around that and come up with the alternative somehow, someway. Public works and

524
00:35:37,833 --> 00:35:42,633
enhanced pressure cleaning and the nuisance abatement if

525
00:35:44,833 --> 00:35:47,233
I may thank you.

526
00:35:59,833 --> 00:36:02,833
thank you for that suggestion and I do appreciate

527
00:36:02,833 --> 00:36:05,833
your thoughts and what the attempt you have to do here. I am

528
00:36:05,833 --> 00:36:08,833
still wavering back and forth on whether or not the nuisance abatement

529
00:36:08,833 --> 00:36:13,833
is something to budget that we kind of already do and I know it

530
00:36:13,833 --> 00:36:16,833
takes time but to put a budget for the purpose of this

531
00:36:16,833 --> 00:36:20,833
I think is somewhere and I am not suggesting that we

532
00:36:20,833 --> 00:36:23,833
give the staff a workload but this is something we should be monitoring

533
00:36:23,833 --> 00:36:26,833
and doing was staff as a town. I don't think we

534
00:36:26,833 --> 00:36:29,233
have a lot of

535
00:36:31,833 --> 00:36:33,833
those issues. $30,000 seems like a lot of money but

536
00:36:33,833 --> 00:36:39,233
we don't win these battles. I've been involved with

537
00:36:47,833 --> 00:36:50,833
mitigation on zombie properties for 14 and 13 years

538
00:36:50,833 --> 00:36:51,833
and we never have any luck.

539
00:36:51,833 --> 00:36:53,833
the banks don't care the owners don't care they come back with the tail

540
00:36:53,833 --> 00:36:56,833
between her legs and fill out the application for

541
00:36:56,833 --> 00:36:59,833
mitigation they come in and they beat us up to 15 to 20% and they just don't

542
00:36:59,833 --> 00:37:02,833
care. For us to budget something and know that we

543
00:37:02,833 --> 00:37:05,833
do have a dollar figure that we can spend to do this and staff I think

544
00:37:05,833 --> 00:37:08,833
could do this in a way where we will spend money but the budget I'm

545
00:37:08,833 --> 00:37:12,833
not sure I'm with right now. At least not at this time when

546
00:37:12,833 --> 00:37:17,833
we are facing a potential increase in the reserve

547
00:37:17,833 --> 00:37:23,833
funding which are big dollars and big numbers that aren't

548
00:37:23,833 --> 00:37:28,833
going anywhere. If we could chip away at 30,000 here and

549
00:37:28,833 --> 00:37:32,833
15,000 there that is big money that will keep millage

550
00:37:32,833 --> 00:37:35,233
where it should be.

551
00:37:35,833 --> 00:37:41,233
it keeps our town where we work hard to

552
00:37:41,833 --> 00:37:43,833
do this.

553
00:37:43,833 --> 00:37:45,833
the capital improvement is proof of what we continue to give

554
00:37:45,833 --> 00:37:49,433
residents and those supporting this town

555
00:37:52,833 --> 00:37:54,833
as well. I know I do not talk about that and I have

556
00:37:54,833 --> 00:37:57,833
apologies because I've been out of town but I'd like to leave

557
00:37:57,833 --> 00:37:58,433
it there.

558
00:37:58,433 --> 00:38:04,433
>> the intent of the nuisance abatement is more to ensure

559
00:38:04,833 --> 00:38:05,833
that the community does not have to live with some of these issues for

560
00:38:05,833 --> 00:38:08,833
extended periods of time. Sometimes it can

561
00:38:08,833 --> 00:38:12,433
be arduous. My thought was to

562
00:38:13,833 --> 00:38:18,833
have something where we could fix and issue upfront if it

563
00:38:18,833 --> 00:38:22,833
becomes one of those zombie properties and recoup

564
00:38:22,833 --> 00:38:26,833
the money elsewhere so that you don't have to look at these things

565
00:38:26,833 --> 00:38:28,833
every day.

566
00:38:29,833 --> 00:38:32,833
>> we have the funding to take care of these one offs that do come along.

567
00:38:32,833 --> 00:38:35,833
and I think maybe we should focus more on that

568
00:38:35,833 --> 00:38:38,233
and have the attorney

569
00:38:40,833 --> 00:38:46,233
to see what we should or should not do

570
00:38:47,833 --> 00:38:49,833
moving forward.

571
00:38:56,833 --> 00:38:58,833
again it is a losing battle and we do not

572
00:38:58,833 --> 00:39:00,833
win on any of these. But I think we do have to take care of

573
00:39:00,833 --> 00:39:02,833
certain properties every now and again.

574
00:39:02,833 --> 00:39:05,833
I think we can and we should but I don't think they are drawling up

575
00:39:05,833 --> 00:39:10,833
another line item on that. I am not sure if that is what I want

576
00:39:10,833 --> 00:39:14,833
to do. Friday night music I think the comment with

577
00:39:14,833 --> 00:39:17,833
respect to business participation is most importantly

578
00:39:17,833 --> 00:39:20,833
one of those unfortunate things that I

579
00:39:20,833 --> 00:39:22,833
think we should try hard to get everyone to

580
00:39:22,833 --> 00:39:28,833
participate with. If everyone does not participate you cannot have

581
00:39:28,833 --> 00:39:31,833
the program. If they say four of us don't participate but the others do

582
00:39:31,833 --> 00:39:35,833
I don't know how we could take money from everyone else unless they need to

583
00:39:35,833 --> 00:39:38,833
make money with that contribution.

584
00:39:41,833 --> 00:39:44,833
it would just become a contribution rather than

585
00:39:44,833 --> 00:39:46,833
a build.

586
00:39:47,833 --> 00:39:53,833
and I don't think we can do that. If were all not paying the

587
00:39:53,833 --> 00:39:58,633
nobody will pay. I don't know how we

588
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:00,733
do this.

589
00:40:00,733 --> 00:40:04,933
>> I think that presumes how the program

590
00:40:08,833 --> 00:40:10,833
is structured.

591
00:40:10,833 --> 00:40:13,833
I believe there is a free rider program but there is also a desire to

592
00:40:13,833 --> 00:40:16,833
go door to door and ask people to participate. If you want to

593
00:40:16,833 --> 00:40:21,833
explore whether or not there's the ability to have a program to raise

594
00:40:21,833 --> 00:40:24,833
a mandatory fee there are things like that with business

595
00:40:24,833 --> 00:40:29,330
improvement districts and more that could still

596
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:30,800
be explored.

597
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:34,400
>> thank you. I think I've covered

598
00:40:36,833 --> 00:40:39,233
most of the conversation.

599
00:40:45,833 --> 00:40:49,433
I think we can do for

600
00:40:51,833 --> 00:40:57,833
that update. I think we've done quite a bit at this point and

601
00:40:57,833 --> 00:41:02,330
right now are not having any issues.

602
00:41:03,833 --> 00:41:06,233
on the enhance patrol

603
00:41:12,833 --> 00:41:18,233
that is built separately. The only other thing I

604
00:41:18,833 --> 00:41:21,833
want to go into public safety and say it was also mentioned that

605
00:41:21,833 --> 00:41:25,433
I'd like to bring that in.

606
00:41:29,833 --> 00:41:31,833
any suggestions that you may have you know the

607
00:41:31,833 --> 00:41:35,833
town better than most of us because you know where the problem

608
00:41:35,833 --> 00:41:37,833
areas are. If you have suggestions tonight or whenever I

609
00:41:37,833 --> 00:41:43,833
would like to probably sit down with you because I like to maybe

610
00:41:43,833 --> 00:41:47,833
discuss this. I know benihana is a big thing and we need

611
00:41:47,833 --> 00:41:49,833
to look at that but I think it is a

612
00:41:49,833 --> 00:41:54,833
struggle. I've looked at it 100 times in the last few months and

613
00:41:54,833 --> 00:41:56,833
it seems almost impossible when we come up with one solution

614
00:41:56,833 --> 00:41:58,833
we end up coming up with another problem and

615
00:41:58,833 --> 00:42:06,330
that's all I keep seeing. I really like your input on all

616
00:42:06,833 --> 00:42:08,833
of that.

617
00:42:08,833 --> 00:42:13,633
>> how would you like to go about looking

618
00:42:15,833 --> 00:42:22,433
at this? My hope was that we could prioritize the list.

619
00:42:24,833 --> 00:42:26,833
and possibly see if there is consensus from the commission to

620
00:42:26,833 --> 00:42:31,633
eliminate any items. Can we start with that?

621
00:42:31,833 --> 00:42:36,833
>> is there anyone else wants to bring up any items that we

622
00:42:36,833 --> 00:42:38,833
have not addressed?

623
00:42:41,833 --> 00:42:45,833
I don't want to rush this but I know we have a meeting so

624
00:42:45,833 --> 00:42:48,833
we could start that one a little bit later. 75th celebration vice mayor,

625
00:42:48,833 --> 00:42:54,833
is there anything that you want to look at? You know better

626
00:42:54,833 --> 00:42:57,833
than anyone what the plan will be.

627
00:42:57,833 --> 00:43:00,833
>> it was kind of a placeholder but I hope

628
00:43:00,833 --> 00:43:05,633
we will have new refined numbers before the

629
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:07,400
budget hits.

630
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:10,400
>> commissioner do you have anything

631
00:43:12,833 --> 00:43:14,833
to say?

632
00:43:17,833 --> 00:43:20,833
>> nothing new. Describe back to the topics for discussion if

633
00:43:20,833 --> 00:43:23,300
you want to go around. I feel like these are some things that we could

634
00:43:23,300 --> 00:43:23,833
compromise on.

635
00:43:23,833 --> 00:43:26,833
>> let's go to the paver cleaning numbers.

636
00:43:26,833 --> 00:43:28,833
you want to eliminate one day and make it

637
00:43:28,833 --> 00:43:31,733
$100,000 difference and see where we fall

638
00:43:31,733 --> 00:43:32,467
on that?

639
00:43:32,467 --> 00:43:36,833
>> yes. I'd like to find the middle ground

640
00:43:36,833 --> 00:43:38,833
and go to 100,000.

641
00:43:39,833 --> 00:43:42,833
>> if you want to go forward I circled the friday night

642
00:43:42,833 --> 00:43:46,433
music as well. I was thinking

643
00:43:47,833 --> 00:43:50,833
about having that if we were trying to

644
00:43:50,833 --> 00:43:54,833
save money. In addition we have the emergency fund.

645
00:43:54,833 --> 00:43:58,433
>> let's go one at a time.

646
00:44:12,833 --> 00:44:14,833
once a month is what is currently budgeted.

647
00:44:14,833 --> 00:44:16,833
>> what

648
00:44:18,833 --> 00:44:24,233
we discussed is what we like to do here.

649
00:44:24,833 --> 00:44:27,833
we have on incredible accounting system with the zones of

650
00:44:27,833 --> 00:44:30,833
parking and revenue that we pull in. We know when the

651
00:44:30,833 --> 00:44:33,833
revenue is strong what months are here

652
00:44:33,833 --> 00:44:36,833
throughout the year. We know what lot

653
00:44:36,833 --> 00:44:39,833
is being brought in and what every commuter is bringing in.

654
00:44:39,833 --> 00:44:42,833
if you could show this in the next presentation when we do have

655
00:44:42,833 --> 00:44:47,330
friday night music, how much parking revenue

656
00:44:48,833 --> 00:44:53,330
are we bringing in additional to normal

657
00:44:54,833 --> 00:44:56,833
friday night.

658
00:44:56,833 --> 00:44:57,833
let's see if we are able to recoup some of this money in the parking

659
00:44:57,833 --> 00:45:00,833
revenue and at the same time enriching the

660
00:45:00,833 --> 00:45:03,833
businesses with a great event date keeps lauderdale-by-the-sea

661
00:45:03,833 --> 00:45:09,833
busy and brings everyone in. I would like to see what

662
00:45:09,833 --> 00:45:15,833
additional revenue is coming in which would really help me make

663
00:45:15,833 --> 00:45:16,833
this decision. If it is costing in additional 30,000

664
00:45:16,833 --> 00:45:21,330
or 50,000 that's a good enticement to vote

665
00:45:24,833 --> 00:45:26,833
for it.

666
00:45:27,833 --> 00:45:30,833
if it is costing us more than 100 because

667
00:45:30,833 --> 00:45:32,833
we found something we do not think about

668
00:45:32,833 --> 00:45:35,833
what I do not think is the issue, give me some revenue or expenses

669
00:45:35,833 --> 00:45:42,833
on it. So we can use it least use that and dial

670
00:45:42,833 --> 00:45:44,833
it in.

671
00:45:51,833 --> 00:45:57,833
>> it can be based off of weather and heat. We have 52

672
00:45:57,833 --> 00:46:02,330
weeks to look at it. I am

673
00:46:02,833 --> 00:46:08,233
from trying to find that middle ground to compromise.

674
00:46:12,833 --> 00:46:14,833
>> my ideas to find the middle ground on a

675
00:46:14,833 --> 00:46:16,833
few things. I don't feel right or comfortable increasing the friday

676
00:46:16,833 --> 00:46:19,833
night music costs and then not allocating

677
00:46:19,833 --> 00:46:22,833
at least something toward the

678
00:46:24,833 --> 00:46:26,833
emergency fund. If a hurricane comes there

679
00:46:26,833 --> 00:46:31,833
were not caring that much about friday night music. I'd like to

680
00:46:31,833 --> 00:46:35,833
see some balance there. Besides that I'd like to keep the millage low and

681
00:46:35,833 --> 00:46:38,300
if we could cut a little bit here and

682
00:46:38,300 --> 00:46:38,867
there.

683
00:46:38,867 --> 00:46:46,667
>> are we getting things back or are the businesses doing well and paying

684
00:46:46,833 --> 00:46:49,833
more taxes? Are the hotels filling up on friday nights

685
00:46:49,833 --> 00:46:52,233
were they normally would

686
00:46:53,833 --> 00:46:58,833
not? There are people that come in from west end driving 30 minutes for the

687
00:46:58,833 --> 00:47:00,833
friday night event and stay in the hotels and these

688
00:47:00,833 --> 00:47:02,833
are things that I cannot measure but we

689
00:47:02,833 --> 00:47:07,330
can measure the parking because we do

690
00:47:07,833 --> 00:47:09,833
control that.

691
00:47:10,833 --> 00:47:14,833
>> what was said about friday night music, I would

692
00:47:14,833 --> 00:47:19,833
lean toward a compromise of the breakdown with half of that looking at

693
00:47:19,833 --> 00:47:25,233
the opportunity for continued enhance friday night music twice

694
00:47:25,833 --> 00:47:28,833
a month with town contribution.

695
00:47:33,833 --> 00:47:37,833
my suggestion last year was a simple token contribution from every

696
00:47:37,833 --> 00:47:40,833
business in the downtown area.

697
00:47:42,833 --> 00:47:44,833
everybody I believe benefits from this. We

698
00:47:44,833 --> 00:47:47,833
are not asking them to pay for it all. We will handle the majority of

699
00:47:47,833 --> 00:47:51,833
the bill but the token contribution would go a long way and I feel

700
00:47:51,833 --> 00:47:52,833
like everyone will benefit from it.

701
00:47:52,833 --> 00:47:55,833
the amount of the contribution would have to be determined by the

702
00:47:55,833 --> 00:47:58,833
commission and the town manager. I think that is the

703
00:47:58,833 --> 00:48:04,833
fair thing to do. I like what you're saying having

704
00:48:04,833 --> 00:48:08,833
a metric number to figure out through parking.

705
00:48:08,833 --> 00:48:14,833
we will not be getting finances from the businesses. They're not

706
00:48:14,833 --> 00:48:17,833
going to tell us how much more they did on friday night. I wouldn't tell

707
00:48:17,833 --> 00:48:25,330
them either. The parking is something that we could look at for

708
00:48:25,833 --> 00:48:28,833
that determination. At least it is in idea and is something that

709
00:48:28,833 --> 00:48:30,633
we could manage and look at the have and idea whether or not

710
00:48:30,633 --> 00:48:31,767
it is a benefit to the community.

711
00:48:31,767 --> 00:48:34,900
if the community is making and extra

712
00:48:34,900 --> 00:48:37,833
$10,000 on that night for parking, that could go toward the

713
00:48:37,833 --> 00:48:43,833
music. I do agree. I do think the people that

714
00:48:43,833 --> 00:48:45,833
do benefit should

715
00:48:48,833 --> 00:48:52,833
have something. The citizens are benefiting and they pay

716
00:48:52,833 --> 00:48:56,433
for this through their taxes. They

717
00:48:56,833 --> 00:49:03,433
just go through the commission to do so. The businesses pay

718
00:49:04,833 --> 00:49:05,833
taxes also but they are benefiting directly from

719
00:49:05,833 --> 00:49:06,833
the enhance businesses down there.

720
00:49:06,833 --> 00:49:10,833
my belief is there should be some kind of

721
00:49:10,833 --> 00:49:13,833
contribution from them toward that.

722
00:49:15,833 --> 00:49:19,833
>> I do have a quick question maybe you can answer this with

723
00:49:19,833 --> 00:49:22,833
regard to the emergency fund. I would like to know what is in the

724
00:49:22,833 --> 00:49:25,833
emergency fund now so only add 500,000 what were looking at? I just

725
00:49:25,833 --> 00:49:27,267
want to get that out

726
00:49:27,267 --> 00:49:27,900
there.

727
00:49:27,900 --> 00:49:33,300
>> so I think we are in agreement let's reduce

728
00:49:34,900 --> 00:49:37,833
friday night back to 50 and if we think it can change with

729
00:49:37,833 --> 00:49:41,433
additional information on the revenue stream

730
00:49:46,833 --> 00:49:49,833
maybe there can be more contributions that would come if we could have some

731
00:49:49,833 --> 00:49:51,833
businesses commit. We cannot strong-armed them of

732
00:49:51,833 --> 00:49:53,833
course but I have no problem reducing that

733
00:49:53,833 --> 00:49:58,330
50. I know that commissioner pilobolus is okay

734
00:50:01,833 --> 00:50:03,833
with this.

735
00:50:06,833 --> 00:50:10,833
>> is anyone looking to keep this at the one and look at

736
00:50:10,833 --> 00:50:13,233
it in the next?

737
00:50:19,833 --> 00:50:24,330
>> do you want to go back and

738
00:50:27,833 --> 00:50:31,833
keep all of the events that we have proposed as dive into summer is the

739
00:50:31,833 --> 00:50:37,833
bug fest. Kids by the sea is something that we thought about branding for

740
00:50:37,833 --> 00:50:43,833
this year movie at the park is something else that we've

741
00:50:43,833 --> 00:50:49,833
put in and of course the 75th dancing by the sea and yoga by

742
00:50:49,833 --> 00:50:51,833
the sea.

743
00:51:09,833 --> 00:51:13,833
there are in additional one or two other events

744
00:51:13,833 --> 00:51:17,833
that we are going to do but that number is also branding and other

745
00:51:17,833 --> 00:51:22,330
things. It will be the whole year.

746
00:51:29,833 --> 00:51:31,833
I like the idea of community events.

747
00:51:31,833 --> 00:51:33,833
I'm not sure what kids by the sea is proposed to be?

748
00:51:33,833 --> 00:51:36,833
>> it was a new event we put in the budget

749
00:51:36,833 --> 00:51:41,833
for this year. And then with the transition we kind of pushed it off. But

750
00:51:41,833 --> 00:51:49,633
it's more like a kick off to summer event with maybe like a

751
00:51:50,833 --> 00:51:55,330
sand castle contest and things like that.

752
00:51:56,833 --> 00:51:58,833
>> we will be extending this meeting about 10 minutes

753
00:51:58,833 --> 00:52:03,330
before we start the regular commission meeting.

754
00:52:05,833 --> 00:52:08,833
>> we are going to be looking at the sidewalk cafe

755
00:52:08,833 --> 00:52:10,833
permit fees and stuff like that part of that will be cleaning

756
00:52:10,833 --> 00:52:12,233
and maybe there could be something small. We

757
00:52:12,233 --> 00:52:13,967
can be like gorging here. There may be a small element of

758
00:52:13,967 --> 00:52:15,517
a fee for that entertainment in the downtown area.

759
00:52:15,517 --> 00:52:16,850
>> we have not increased the sidewalk cafe

760
00:52:16,850 --> 00:52:18,467
fee in a very long time. They have been the same for

761
00:52:18,467 --> 00:52:19,750
quite a while. We've reduced them on the

762
00:52:19,750 --> 00:52:25,750
west side of town. I cannot remember the last time.

763
00:52:25,917 --> 00:52:28,317
at least 10 years point

764
00:52:28,917 --> 00:52:34,917
>> maybe that could be an equitable way of everybody participating.

765
00:52:38,917 --> 00:52:39,917
>> commissioner poulopulos?

766
00:52:39,917 --> 00:52:43,917
>> no, there's nothing else I want to put out. I think I addressed

767
00:52:43,917 --> 00:52:45,917
the three. I guess we will go back to the emergency fund?

768
00:52:45,917 --> 00:52:47,917
>> okay.

769
00:52:48,917 --> 00:52:56,117
>> thank you. I think this year, kids by sea, I do not

770
00:52:57,917 --> 00:52:59,983
know if I want to put advice on that. Like the vice mayor said,

771
00:52:59,983 --> 00:53:03,917
we will have a lot of events coming out with the 75th. I am okay leaving

772
00:53:03,917 --> 00:53:05,917
that. Movies at the park. I do not know what the attendance is when

773
00:53:05,917 --> 00:53:07,917
we have it. Is that --

774
00:53:07,917 --> 00:53:09,917
>> we have not done it yet.

775
00:53:09,917 --> 00:53:15,917
>> I think let's -- I am okay with leaving that.

776
00:53:15,917 --> 00:53:19,917
dancing by the sea, I think that is a great community event we've

777
00:53:19,917 --> 00:53:21,917
got going. Landscape.

778
00:53:22,917 --> 00:53:25,917
I think that is good.

779
00:53:25,917 --> 00:53:27,917
maybe the scavenger hunt.

780
00:53:27,917 --> 00:53:28,917
I mean --

781
00:53:28,917 --> 00:53:30,917
>> that is new.

782
00:53:31,917 --> 00:53:34,917
>> no, that would be --

783
00:53:37,917 --> 00:53:39,917
>> the business, yeah.

784
00:53:44,917 --> 00:53:49,917
>> I am okay to delete that. To my before you move on, do we have

785
00:53:49,917 --> 00:53:51,917
consensus to remove the kids by the sea?

786
00:53:51,917 --> 00:53:53,917
>> I think let's go through the list. So everybody knows.

787
00:53:53,917 --> 00:53:55,917
>> okay.

788
00:53:56,917 --> 00:53:58,917
>> that is

789
00:54:03,917 --> 00:54:08,917
the strategic plan. I know that is important to you, linda. I know

790
00:54:08,917 --> 00:54:10,917
town manager and -- has not had that picture has been with us a

791
00:54:10,917 --> 00:54:14,917
long time and she understands what our motives are on that. So I am

792
00:54:14,917 --> 00:54:16,917
okay with that.

793
00:54:16,917 --> 00:54:21,917
>> thank you. I would agree with you. Kids by sea, deleting that

794
00:54:21,917 --> 00:54:26,117
at this time for this current project.

795
00:54:26,917 --> 00:54:29,917
I am in favor of movies at the park but I think for the price,

796
00:54:29,917 --> 00:54:33,917
that is something I would like to try. I think it has been a boom

797
00:54:33,917 --> 00:54:36,917
for the people. I see what they have done there. And I think we

798
00:54:36,917 --> 00:54:40,917
could take advantage of that. For the price, I think it is worth,

799
00:54:40,917 --> 00:54:44,917
as they say, the juice is worth the squeeze on

800
00:54:44,917 --> 00:54:49,717
that. I am for that. The scavenger hunt.

801
00:54:49,917 --> 00:54:54,917
I would have no problem in deleting that. Off the budget. Dancing by

802
00:54:54,917 --> 00:54:58,517
the sea. Those of been very

803
00:54:58,917 --> 00:55:01,917
successful in the town. I've seen a lot of people participate in that.

804
00:55:01,917 --> 00:55:05,917
that is a good thing and it gets a lot of participation. The question

805
00:55:05,917 --> 00:55:10,117
about the bathroom renovation. Each bathroom renovation.

806
00:55:11,917 --> 00:55:16,917
this is the stuff that is right downtown behind it -- yet. If

807
00:55:16,917 --> 00:55:19,917
I remember, those are relatively new bathrooms that we built

808
00:55:19,917 --> 00:55:21,917
.

809
00:55:22,917 --> 00:55:24,917
>> so the problem is vandalism.

810
00:55:24,917 --> 00:55:30,917
the grade of fixers that are in some of them

811
00:55:30,917 --> 00:55:32,917
, while commercial grade, they are

812
00:55:32,917 --> 00:55:35,917
not heavy-duty. We changed some of her last year but had some money

813
00:55:35,917 --> 00:55:38,917
left to do two. They have held up extremely well problems with six

814
00:55:38,917 --> 00:55:41,917
getting busted, toilets getting busted.

815
00:55:44,917 --> 00:55:46,917
the bathrooms are closed for long periods of time. This seems

816
00:55:46,917 --> 00:55:48,917
to have solved the issue.

817
00:55:48,917 --> 00:55:50,917
>> okay, I understand. In my mind, those are relatively new. I understand

818
00:55:50,917 --> 00:55:53,917
there is vandalism and things happen.

819
00:55:53,917 --> 00:55:57,917
I'm going to pass over to commissioner oldaker.

820
00:55:57,917 --> 00:56:01,917
>> I'm fine with the comments. I'm going to stick to my guns on the

821
00:56:01,917 --> 00:56:06,917
emergency fund. I think it is of the utmost importance for our town

822
00:56:06,917 --> 00:56:08,917
.

823
00:56:09,917 --> 00:56:14,717
>> so you want to go through this real

824
00:56:14,917 --> 00:56:18,917
quick? You want to call them out? And

825
00:56:18,917 --> 00:56:24,317
we have a consensus on each item real quick?

826
00:56:26,917 --> 00:56:28,830
>> yes, open house or businesses?

827
00:56:28,830 --> 00:56:29,250
>> the vice mayor -- his comment.

828
00:56:29,250 --> 00:56:29,917
>> yes.

829
00:56:29,917 --> 00:56:30,483
>> yes.

830
00:56:30,483 --> 00:56:31,500
>> yes.

831
00:56:31,500 --> 00:56:32,283
>> the strategic plan?

832
00:56:32,283 --> 00:56:32,817
>> yes.

833
00:56:32,817 --> 00:56:33,383
>> yes.

834
00:56:33,383 --> 00:56:33,950
>> yes.

835
00:56:33,950 --> 00:56:35,950
>> yes.

836
00:56:36,917 --> 00:56:39,917
>> training through the attorney's office?

837
00:56:39,917 --> 00:56:41,917
>> yes.

838
00:56:42,917 --> 00:56:43,650
>> yes.

839
00:56:43,650 --> 00:56:44,383
>> yes.

840
00:56:44,383 --> 00:56:46,383
>> yes.

841
00:56:46,917 --> 00:56:48,917
>> the computer updates?

842
00:56:49,917 --> 00:56:54,117
>> no, not if it is not urgent.

843
00:56:54,917 --> 00:56:56,917
>> only if it is not necessary, no.

844
00:56:56,917 --> 00:56:57,917
>> no.

845
00:56:57,917 --> 00:56:59,917
>> no.

846
00:57:00,917 --> 00:57:02,500
>> the lobbyists?

847
00:57:02,500 --> 00:57:02,683
>> yes.

848
00:57:02,683 --> 00:57:03,750
>> yes.

849
00:57:03,750 --> 00:57:04,850
>> yes.

850
00:57:04,850 --> 00:57:06,850
>> yes.

851
00:57:06,917 --> 00:57:08,917
>> the

852
00:57:10,917 --> 00:57:12,830
printing and mailing of town topics?

853
00:57:12,830 --> 00:57:12,350
>> no.

854
00:57:12,350 --> 00:57:13,170
>> no.

855
00:57:13,170 --> 00:57:13,650
>> no.

856
00:57:13,650 --> 00:57:15,650
>> no.

857
00:57:15,917 --> 00:57:17,917
>> died in the summer?

858
00:57:17,917 --> 00:57:18,717
>> yes.

859
00:57:18,717 --> 00:57:19,517
>> yes.

860
00:57:19,517 --> 00:57:20,317
>> yes.

861
00:57:20,317 --> 00:57:22,317
>> yes.

862
00:57:22,917 --> 00:57:24,917
>> friday night music?

863
00:57:25,917 --> 00:57:30,117
just say five or 10, if you would?

864
00:57:30,917 --> 00:57:31,883
five times or 10 times, or zero?

865
00:57:31,883 --> 00:57:32,217
>> five.

866
00:57:32,217 --> 00:57:32,817
>> five.

867
00:57:32,817 --> 00:57:33,417
>> five.

868
00:57:33,417 --> 00:57:34,917
>> five.

869
00:57:34,917 --> 00:57:36,917
>> kids by sea?

870
00:57:37,917 --> 00:57:38,817
>> I

871
00:57:38,817 --> 00:57:40,617
will say yes.

872
00:57:40,617 --> 00:57:42,617
>> yes.

873
00:57:42,917 --> 00:57:43,917
>> no.

874
00:57:43,917 --> 00:57:45,917
>> no.

875
00:57:46,917 --> 00:57:47,583
>> okay.

876
00:57:47,583 --> 00:57:48,717
he's at the park?

877
00:57:48,717 --> 00:57:49,830
>> yes.

878
00:57:49,830 --> 00:57:49,417
>> no.

879
00:57:49,417 --> 00:57:49,783
>> yes.

880
00:57:49,783 --> 00:57:50,917
>> yes.

881
00:57:50,917 --> 00:57:52,917
>> 75th celebration?

882
00:57:53,917 --> 00:57:55,917
>> yeah. [ laughter ]

883
00:57:56,917 --> 00:57:58,917
>> that would be a mistake. Yes.

884
00:57:58,917 --> 00:57:59,983
>> that is a big yes. Yes.

885
00:57:59,983 --> 00:58:01,983
>> yes.

886
00:58:02,917 --> 00:58:05,317
>> dancing by the sea?

887
00:58:06,917 --> 00:58:07,417
>> yes.

888
00:58:07,417 --> 00:58:07,917
>> yes.

889
00:58:07,917 --> 00:58:08,917
>> yes.

890
00:58:08,917 --> 00:58:09,483
>> yes.

891
00:58:09,483 --> 00:58:10,183
>> yoga?

892
00:58:10,183 --> 00:58:10,750
>> yes.

893
00:58:10,750 --> 00:58:11,517
>> yes.

894
00:58:11,517 --> 00:58:12,317
>> yes.

895
00:58:12,317 --> 00:58:14,317
>> yes.

896
00:58:14,917 --> 00:58:15,917
>> enhanced bso patrol?

897
00:58:15,917 --> 00:58:17,917
>> yes.

898
00:58:17,917 --> 00:58:20,917
>> is that important? Yes. A big yes. I will not have a target on

899
00:58:20,917 --> 00:58:22,917
my back.

900
00:58:22,917 --> 00:58:24,917
>> yes. Especially the downtown bathrooms.

901
00:58:24,917 --> 00:58:26,917
>> yes.

902
00:58:26,917 --> 00:58:27,917
>> use of the basement?

903
00:58:27,917 --> 00:58:28,917
>> no.

904
00:58:28,917 --> 00:58:30,917
>> yes.

905
00:58:31,917 --> 00:58:33,917
>> no.

906
00:58:34,917 --> 00:58:37,317
>> the multi-hazard mitigation grants.

907
00:58:40,917 --> 00:58:43,917
the plan. We do not really talk about, but opens the door for us

908
00:58:43,917 --> 00:58:44,917
to be able to get fema grants.

909
00:58:44,917 --> 00:58:45,250
>> yes.

910
00:58:45,250 --> 00:58:45,883
>> yes.

911
00:58:45,883 --> 00:58:46,483
>> yes.

912
00:58:46,483 --> 00:58:48,483
>> yes.

913
00:58:48,917 --> 00:58:50,917
>> florida friendly landscape?

914
00:58:52,917 --> 00:58:56,517
>> the update to our landscape code?

915
00:58:57,917 --> 00:58:59,917
>> thank you.

916
00:59:00,917 --> 00:59:03,917
>> the abatement. That was not a yes

917
00:59:03,917 --> 00:59:04,917
or no?

918
00:59:04,917 --> 00:59:07,317
>> that was a no.

919
00:59:07,917 --> 00:59:11,917
>> that I say -- the friendly landscape would be more

920
00:59:11,917 --> 00:59:17,317
like an educational outreach to allow the residents of

921
00:59:17,917 --> 00:59:20,917
the town to be more knowledgeable about

922
00:59:20,917 --> 00:59:25,917
florida friendly landscape and hope to reduce their water consumption.

923
00:59:25,917 --> 00:59:26,917
things of that nature.

924
00:59:26,917 --> 00:59:31,917
>> I mean, for me, I think we need to look the

925
00:59:31,917 --> 00:59:32,917
landscape code. I know that is a big deal.

926
00:59:32,917 --> 00:59:33,917
>> yes.

927
00:59:33,917 --> 00:59:36,917
>> to incorporate some of those things.

928
00:59:36,917 --> 00:59:39,917
>> it may result in ordinance amendments.

929
00:59:39,917 --> 00:59:41,917
but that does not cost money because the staff does that. This

930
00:59:41,917 --> 00:59:47,917
would be more for education. To bring people in to help us to be

931
00:59:47,917 --> 00:59:51,917
more aware of what direction we could go.

932
00:59:51,917 --> 00:59:55,917
>> I think there is a lot of, I mean, with the

933
00:59:55,917 --> 01:00:00,917
garden club. We have so many contacts there could even give us free pamphlets

934
01:00:00,917 --> 01:00:02,917
if we want to do that and put in town topics. So it may

935
01:00:02,917 --> 01:00:03,917
be no.

936
01:00:03,917 --> 01:00:05,917
>> okay.

937
01:00:06,917 --> 01:00:12,317
>> I am going to say yes. The reason is

938
01:00:12,917 --> 01:00:14,917
I think it is important. And the owners do

939
01:00:14,917 --> 01:00:16,917
not regulate, especially in new construction. As related by the

940
01:00:16,917 --> 01:00:19,917
county and us. So maybe we can do our part to make sure the amount

941
01:00:19,917 --> 01:00:23,917
of dollars they are putting into this -- I had to spend

942
01:00:23,917 --> 01:00:27,917
almost $60,000 in landscaping. A lot of it died. I think every

943
01:00:27,917 --> 01:00:31,917
little bit can help and I think $2500 is fair. It is for a good

944
01:00:31,917 --> 01:00:33,917
cause.

945
01:00:34,917 --> 01:00:37,317
>> however you do it.

946
01:00:37,917 --> 01:00:41,517
>> yeah, sorry. Just a quick question

947
01:00:41,917 --> 01:00:43,917
on that? Is this something that somebody can

948
01:00:43,917 --> 01:00:48,717
pull up on our computer through the town?

949
01:00:55,917 --> 01:00:59,517
without having to spend $25 -- $2500 on?

950
01:01:01,917 --> 01:01:06,117
>> does it cost us 2500 to put it

951
01:01:08,917 --> 01:01:11,917
on the computer for people to understand?

952
01:01:11,917 --> 01:01:12,917
>> it would be more than the computer.

953
01:01:12,917 --> 01:01:17,117
creating pamphlets and other educational outreach actions.

954
01:01:17,917 --> 01:01:19,917
>> yeah.

955
01:01:22,917 --> 01:01:23,917
>> you have a plan in place now?

956
01:01:23,917 --> 01:01:24,917
is there something you put together?

957
01:01:24,917 --> 01:01:26,917
>> something I would put together.

958
01:01:26,917 --> 01:01:28,917
>> if you could maybe bring it back.

959
01:01:28,917 --> 01:01:31,917
I am for it, but maybe two against.

960
01:01:31,917 --> 01:01:35,917
>> I'm going, you know, I do just not understand it enough

961
01:01:35,917 --> 01:01:40,917
it in my mind, I think it is something I can pull up on the computer and

962
01:01:40,917 --> 01:01:42,917
go, oh, I can put it to be there.

963
01:01:42,917 --> 01:01:46,917
>> it is not so much about the landscaping. It is the types of landscape.

964
01:01:46,917 --> 01:01:50,917
I think the public is not aware of the different options

965
01:01:50,917 --> 01:01:54,917
that are equally nice-looking, but that require as much water

966
01:01:54,917 --> 01:01:56,917
consumption.

967
01:01:56,917 --> 01:01:59,983
>> I will say yes. Just on that price point.

968
01:01:59,983 --> 01:02:01,983
>> yes.

969
01:02:02,917 --> 01:02:06,917
>> we have three yes. Sorry to take so much time on that.

970
01:02:06,917 --> 01:02:08,917
>> the scavenger hunt?

971
01:02:09,917 --> 01:02:13,917
>> is this the map I have been waiting for like 15 years? We're

972
01:02:13,917 --> 01:02:16,917
doing the brochure this year. And then to no monitor followed up with

973
01:02:16,917 --> 01:02:18,917
the scavenger hunt.

974
01:02:19,917 --> 01:02:21,917
>> [ laughter ]

975
01:02:22,917 --> 01:02:24,917
>> when I was up here, I was asking about

976
01:02:24,917 --> 01:02:26,917
this.

977
01:02:26,917 --> 01:02:30,917
>> it is actually finished. Just needs to insert

978
01:02:30,917 --> 01:02:35,717
the pictures. About the scavenger is to get

979
01:02:35,917 --> 01:02:38,917
more civic engagement from younger members of the community. I thought

980
01:02:38,917 --> 01:02:41,917
it would be kind of nice to add a part two to it. That involves

981
01:02:41,917 --> 01:02:43,917
the children.

982
01:02:44,917 --> 01:02:47,417
>> so they have a little map? They would

983
01:02:47,417 --> 01:02:49,983
get a free something? A gift or something?

984
01:02:49,983 --> 01:02:51,917
>> exactly.

985
01:02:51,917 --> 01:02:52,917
>> I will say yes.

986
01:02:52,917 --> 01:02:55,917
>> yes, there's been council. Yes.

987
01:02:55,917 --> 01:02:58,917
>> yes. I'm going yes and changing.

988
01:02:58,917 --> 01:03:00,917
yes.

989
01:03:03,917 --> 01:03:07,917
>> I will say yes since we took away 69 -- yes. What is the age

990
01:03:07,917 --> 01:03:09,917
group on that? Any age?

991
01:03:09,917 --> 01:03:11,917
>> what is the age group on the scavenger hunt? Is it adults or

992
01:03:11,917 --> 01:03:13,917
kids?

993
01:03:14,917 --> 01:03:15,917
>> adults with kids?

994
01:03:15,917 --> 01:03:16,917
[ laughter ]

995
01:03:16,917 --> 01:03:18,917
>> everybody?

996
01:03:18,917 --> 01:03:21,317
>> I think kids --

997
01:03:21,917 --> 01:03:23,917
>> the presentation --

998
01:03:25,917 --> 01:03:27,917
>> finding meemo.

999
01:03:33,917 --> 01:03:36,317
>> that is very cute.

1000
01:03:36,917 --> 01:03:38,917
>> finding meemo scavenger hunt. Anyway, that

1001
01:03:38,917 --> 01:03:40,917
is a yes.

1002
01:03:41,917 --> 01:03:43,917
>> emission her? Okay.

1003
01:03:44,917 --> 01:03:48,517
the bathroom cleaning for the downtown?

1004
01:03:51,917 --> 01:03:54,170
that is additional we can keep the bathrooms open a little bit later.

1005
01:03:54,170 --> 01:03:54,317
>> yes.

1006
01:03:54,317 --> 01:03:54,917
>> yes.

1007
01:03:54,917 --> 01:03:55,917
>> yes.

1008
01:03:55,917 --> 01:03:57,917
>> yes.

1009
01:03:58,917 --> 01:04:02,917
>> then we have the enhanced pressure cleaning.

1010
01:04:02,917 --> 01:04:08,317
I think the consensus was to reduce it to

1011
01:04:08,917 --> 01:04:09,783
$100,000 from 200,000.

1012
01:04:09,783 --> 01:04:10,150
>> yes.

1013
01:04:10,150 --> 01:04:10,617
>> yes.

1014
01:04:10,617 --> 01:04:11,830
>> yes.

1015
01:04:11,830 --> 01:04:13,830
>> yes.

1016
01:04:13,917 --> 01:04:18,917
>> and then finally, we will scroll down a little bit

1017
01:04:18,917 --> 01:04:24,917
more. More down. We have the increase to the emergency fund.

1018
01:04:24,917 --> 01:04:25,917
>> the renovations.

1019
01:04:25,917 --> 01:04:29,517
>> I'm sorry. The beach bathroom renovation.

1020
01:04:29,917 --> 01:04:30,450
>> yes.

1021
01:04:30,450 --> 01:04:32,170
it sounds like it is necessary.

1022
01:04:32,170 --> 01:04:32,383
yes.

1023
01:04:32,383 --> 01:04:32,917
>> yes.

1024
01:04:32,917 --> 01:04:33,917
>> yes.

1025
01:04:33,917 --> 01:04:34,917
>> yes.

1026
01:04:34,917 --> 01:04:36,917
>> and now the emergency fund.

1027
01:04:36,917 --> 01:04:39,917
>> not now. I want to get more information.

1028
01:04:39,917 --> 01:04:42,317
>> it is tentative. [ laughter ]

1029
01:04:43,917 --> 01:04:49,917
>> I was going to say do 250 this year and 250 next year.

1030
01:04:49,917 --> 01:04:52,317
is that your comment?

1031
01:04:52,917 --> 01:04:53,917
>> no to any increase.

1032
01:04:53,917 --> 01:04:55,917
>> no.

1033
01:04:56,917 --> 01:05:00,517
>> we have a no vote of

1034
01:05:02,917 --> 01:05:05,317
2-2. What we do?

1035
01:05:06,917 --> 01:05:09,917
>> this is just a consensus. Let's have a game plan here.

1036
01:05:09,917 --> 01:05:12,917
>> they said they were tentative.

1037
01:05:14,917 --> 01:05:16,917
>> one was tentative. Are you giving direction to come back with more

1038
01:05:16,917 --> 01:05:17,917
information?

1039
01:05:17,917 --> 01:05:21,917
>> what I would like is more information, like what I mentioned, what other

1040
01:05:21,917 --> 01:05:26,917
options. I think, I will say 500,000 I think is a lot in one year if

1041
01:05:26,917 --> 01:05:30,917
we were to give it. But I would also like to have a little more

1042
01:05:30,917 --> 01:05:35,117
data as far as what options we

1043
01:05:38,917 --> 01:05:41,917
have. What we currently have we can use? What to use as far as a

1044
01:05:41,917 --> 01:05:43,917
credit line, perhaps? And I know it is all over the board. But maybe

1045
01:05:43,917 --> 01:05:46,917
more specific. How many months of salaries we have to cover? What

1046
01:05:46,917 --> 01:05:48,917
sort of expenses should we have?

1047
01:05:48,917 --> 01:05:52,917
it is, I do just not like putting a number on something we don't exactly

1048
01:05:52,917 --> 01:05:55,917
know. So it is like, how do I know 500,000 is even

1049
01:05:55,917 --> 01:05:56,917
enough?

1050
01:05:56,917 --> 01:05:58,917
>> you don't. And you won't.

1051
01:05:58,917 --> 01:06:02,917
>> I am just saying, I would like to have more of a guideline with

1052
01:06:02,917 --> 01:06:05,317
what other people do.

1053
01:06:11,917 --> 01:06:13,917
>> we can bring it back information about other communities, the percentage

1054
01:06:13,917 --> 01:06:14,917
of their budget, what they have.

1055
01:06:14,917 --> 01:06:17,917
in a larger community is going to have a larger reserve.

1056
01:06:17,917 --> 01:06:21,917
>> all right. We have to run a different vote. My thing is 250 is still a

1057
01:06:21,917 --> 01:06:24,917
lot again. If we put the money and are not put it in, the town still

1058
01:06:24,917 --> 01:06:29,117
has funds to absorb anything over the 2 1/2.

1059
01:06:32,917 --> 01:06:33,917
500 is not going to make or break.

1060
01:06:33,917 --> 01:06:36,917
but I think the vice mayor mentioned earlier, why not have a credit line

1061
01:06:36,917 --> 01:06:40,917
available for that? And then there's the potential of 1 million, $2 million

1062
01:06:40,917 --> 01:06:44,917
without taxing our residents to have to worry about this now, especially

1063
01:06:44,917 --> 01:06:46,917
in trying times.

1064
01:06:46,917 --> 01:06:50,917
I just think, that is 40% of this whole budget right here. So I am

1065
01:06:50,917 --> 01:06:53,917
having a big, big problem with that, we have more priorities. The town

1066
01:06:53,917 --> 01:06:58,917
is not appropriate the town has coffers, and the tone is the ability

1067
01:06:58,917 --> 01:07:02,517
with their credit rating to get

1068
01:07:06,917 --> 01:07:08,917
anything but if we are going to do anything, spread out your after

1069
01:07:08,917 --> 01:07:11,917
year, I would 100,000 maybe peter 70,000 this year, and do a five

1070
01:07:11,917 --> 01:07:14,917
year or four year run, and monitor at that point. We can stop it any

1071
01:07:14,917 --> 01:07:22,117
time in the future and we have the ability to stop it.

1072
01:07:26,917 --> 01:07:29,917
500,000 is a lot of money but I think last year,

1073
01:07:29,917 --> 01:07:32,917
the changing of the -- the difference if we went to rolla, what we had

1074
01:07:32,917 --> 01:07:35,917
was $280,000 and that was a big struggle. So this is a big problem.

1075
01:07:35,917 --> 01:07:37,917
>> ivan questioned the ones that say we made a contribution to the

1076
01:07:37,917 --> 01:07:38,917
emergency fund? What year?

1077
01:07:38,917 --> 01:07:40,917
>> we increased --

1078
01:07:40,917 --> 01:07:41,917
>> we know the exact year that we made a contribution to the emergency

1079
01:07:41,917 --> 01:07:42,917
fund?

1080
01:07:42,917 --> 01:07:44,917
>> we do not contribute emergency fund. It just sits there at $2.5

1081
01:07:44,917 --> 01:07:45,917
million.

1082
01:07:45,917 --> 01:07:49,517
>> sets window? 2005? 2010? What is up in?

1083
01:07:49,917 --> 01:07:51,917
>> 2016.

1084
01:07:52,917 --> 01:07:57,917
>> 2016. My point is we are in 2023 but I was thinking $250,000 roughly

1085
01:07:57,917 --> 01:08:01,917
a 10% increase to the count for inflation if nothing

1086
01:08:01,917 --> 01:08:03,917
else.

1087
01:08:03,917 --> 01:08:07,917
and if you decide to do 250, be fine with that. And then doing 250

1088
01:08:07,917 --> 01:08:11,917
the following year. That is what I was concerned with

1089
01:08:11,917 --> 01:08:17,317
inflation, nothing is been done for the last 10 years.

1090
01:08:17,917 --> 01:08:19,917
that money will go so far in 2023 as it did in 2016. Whenever

1091
01:08:19,917 --> 01:08:21,917
it was originally contributed.

1092
01:08:21,917 --> 01:08:24,917
>> I disagree with that methodology.

1093
01:08:24,917 --> 01:08:28,917
the town can get money at any point.

1094
01:08:28,917 --> 01:08:33,917
that is a drop in the bucket for a natural disaster. I am not

1095
01:08:33,917 --> 01:08:37,917
sure if 250 is something that may not happen.

1096
01:08:37,917 --> 01:08:42,917
because once it goes in, it sits and does not come out. It does not

1097
01:08:42,917 --> 01:08:45,917
come back out. The town is not broke. We have plenty of other availability

1098
01:08:45,917 --> 01:08:47,917
for funds.

1099
01:08:48,917 --> 01:08:50,917
>> so I guess

1100
01:08:55,917 --> 01:08:59,983
the motion, vice mayor, you raised it. You want to entertain a motion

1101
01:08:59,983 --> 01:09:03,917
on that? A vote for 250 or whatever? Come back

1102
01:09:03,917 --> 01:09:05,917
with something?

1103
01:09:06,917 --> 01:09:09,917
>> no, we have to decide.

1104
01:09:11,917 --> 01:09:13,917
we had a 2-2 and --

1105
01:09:13,917 --> 01:09:15,917
>> I did not say 250. If you want to make a motion?

1106
01:09:15,917 --> 01:09:19,517
>> well, the staff will come back

1107
01:09:20,917 --> 01:09:25,917
>> I am not in favor of half 1 million of that is the question?

1108
01:09:25,917 --> 01:09:27,917
>> all right.

1109
01:09:31,917 --> 01:09:34,917
I think we have run a little bit out of time. What

1110
01:09:34,917 --> 01:09:41,917
would like for you all to think of is where you prioritize these.

1111
01:09:41,917 --> 01:09:44,917
if you could just look at the list, we will print about a new list and

1112
01:09:44,917 --> 01:09:47,330
have you look at it and kind of try to prioritize them. And then

1113
01:09:47,330 --> 01:09:49,167
we will bring them back together and talk about it briefly at our

1114
01:09:49,167 --> 01:09:50,683
next meeting. That way you have that. Okay?

1115
01:09:50,683 --> 01:09:53,133
>> but I would like to to then, his staff can go ahead and put together,

1116
01:09:53,133 --> 01:09:53,850
just for the backup.

1117
01:09:53,850 --> 01:09:56,150
the votes on the first 21 items and send us an email of that. Then

1118
01:09:56,150 --> 01:09:58,330
we know what we did and the certain actions we had here.

1119
01:09:58,330 --> 01:09:58,467
thank you.

1120
01:09:58,467 --> 01:09:58,800
>> yep.

1121
01:09:58,800 --> 01:09:59,883
>> already. With that, a motion?

1122
01:09:59,883 --> 01:10:00,683
>> a motion to adjourn.

1123
01:10:00,683 --> 01:10:02,250
>> let's take five minutes and we will try to

1124
01:10:02,250 --> 01:10:07,500
take this. Unless you want to go to 7:00?