[0:20] >> we are taking public comment now. Are there any public comment this evening? I think you know the
[0:24] routine by now. How are you?
[0:33] good evening mayor and commissioners.
[0:36] I am a former pio and brenda all back town
[0:39] resident. We run the see
[0:45] shorts program as volunteers. We are here to ask
[0:48] for some more money for our shows for next year. We want
[0:51] to do a third show and I will let them
[0:54] talk about it. But
[0:59] the program is going really well.
[1:00] there 18 senior citizens involved in
[1:03] every show and these are people in their 70s and 80s that get
[1:06] so much meaning and fulfillment out of taking part of the
[1:12] use classes. The community gets to come to all of these free shows and
[1:15] it is a victory for everyone. I will let them
[1:20] talk about the new play that we want to do
[1:23] in january.
[1:24] >> thank you for having us. First of all I
[1:30] live here in lauderdale by the sea. And I've been running the theater
[1:33] arts program here in the community center
[1:39] since 2015.
[1:41] as he gestated we've been doing the see shorts play festival twice
[1:48] a year. We are able to do that free of charge and the plays
[1:51] are submitted by local playwrights. We want to expand
[2:00] the program by doing a published play.
[2:12] and in order to do that we had to play pay the performance
[2:14] rights. We want to do a play called the dinner party which is a
[2:16] comedy. Performance rights are $125 per performance. There is no negotiation
[2:22] it is any theater company that wants to do a published
[2:26] play that is what it requires. We want to do six performances like we
[2:28] do see shorts and we are asking for
[2:34] thousand dollars that would pay for the
[2:39] six performances. The additional $250 would
[2:43] be for a set instead of using card tables
[2:49] that we have here in the community
[2:54] center. This would allow us to not have
[2:58] to charge for admission. We love being able
[3:01] to make theater accessible
[3:06] to everyone. Local citizens as well as tourists that
[3:13] come by. If this is not approved for the budget
[3:16] we would like to see if we can get permission to charge five dollars
[3:19] for a ticket which would then pay for the
[3:24] performance rights. So either option would work for
[3:28] us.
[3:29] thank you.
[3:29] >> are you a gambling man? You either get
[3:34] the money or we give you more at the gate.
[3:37] >> we would rather have all of the shows for free. That
[3:40] makes it so much easier. Our budget is $1000 now
[3:43] so we are asking for and increase
[3:49] to $2000.
[3:50] >> thank you.
[3:59] are there any discussion items for 2023-2024
[4:07] present levels?
[4:10] >> good evening. Linda connors
[4:16] town manager. I wanted to remind the public and
[4:24] the commission about this meeting and how it
[4:28] is extra from what we've done in the past. At our meeting on
[4:36] may 23rd we had a presentation where he explained the
[4:39] budget process talked to the commission a bit about the
[4:46] standard cost to keep this level of service
[4:52] the same and then what proposed enhancements that we
[4:55] have in each department
[5:03] to present the budget this year. At this time we
[5:07] asked the commission if they had any ideas they would
[5:11] like us to include. Tonight we have a list of proposed
[5:16] budget enhancements and we have printed out a sheet for you to
[5:19] talk about what we have found as
[5:27] added. We want you to look at that and see if you do
[5:31] agree with the numbers. We would
[5:35] like these programs to be eliminated and then we would like to have
[5:39] them prioritized. Next week we will get the figures from the county
[5:46] about what assessments are for this year. We
[5:49] will have and idea of what money we will have to spend
[5:52] for the next year and then at what we will be able to do is tell
[5:55] you where we will fall on getting proposed
[6:01] enhancements approved based on the millage rate that we
[6:07] have currently. At our next meeting in july we will bring
[6:10] back that information and then you can
[6:16] decide how you want to handle moving forward. Do
[6:19] you want to go to roll back and you will know what will be funded if we
[6:28] do this. We could keep the millage rate the same and then you
[6:31] will have and idea on what will be funded at that time or you could even
[6:34] change the millage rate to make sure that more of those enhancements
[6:40] are funded. As of now what I would like to
[6:43] do is open this up as we have a list of proposed enhancements
[6:46] that you have. And maybe
[6:54] we can just go through all of them is the public so that everyone can
[6:57] know what they are really quickly.
[6:58] we did this by department
[7:06] and not by priority. The visitor center is looking to have in
[7:09] open house for businesses which is in additional $1500. The administration
[7:14] is going to have three new commission potentials at the next
[7:20] year. I am currently looking to redo strategic plans
[7:28] because that is the last time that we did this when
[7:30] connie hoffman was sitting in this seat. You all have
[7:35] ethics training with the attorney as in additional
[7:38] cost which you could do online if you
[7:42] wanted. We are looking at hitting the year
[7:54] getting computer updates and we would like to stagger them. The last
[7:57] time we bought all the computers on the same year and what we would
[8:00] like to do now is to stagger those purchases we have a lobbyist for $30,000.
[8:05] we do print and mail the town topics
[8:11] for the $25,000 town expense.
[8:17] if you just slide the numbers up a bit you can see there are several
[8:20] items that we have that we are proposing that are extra. I
[8:26] did not include the basic special events which
[8:29] I do can include with fourth of july
[8:35] veterans day boo by the sea and christmas by the sea as the four standards
[8:38] that I believe are extras we
[8:43] provide well. Dive into stump summer is the
[8:50] re-band of bug fast and friday night music which was the
[8:53] two times a week for five months instead of once
[8:59] a month. So that went from
[9:05] 50,000 200,000.
[9:08] movies of the park and kids by the sea with
[9:09] the 75th celebration with yoga by the sea as well and bso with
[9:14] the enhanced patrol which is $80,000.
[9:20] there are development services asking for
[9:23] a new since abatement program and a multi-hazard mitigation plan
[9:26] with florida friendly landscape to follow up the
[9:30] brochure that is being printed with the scavenger hunt.
[9:39] public works with the enhancements we currently have additional
[9:45] bathroom cleaning hiring a contractor instead of having
[9:48] staff do it so the bathroom downtown can stay open later. The
[9:51] pressure of cleaning and enhance cleaning we
[9:54] will talk about
[10:00] as well. The bathroom downtown needs renovated. $24,000 is
[10:07] for that and of course the commissioner asked for and increase to
[10:12] the emergency fund. So those are the
[10:16] basic numbers that we have in front of you. What I would like to do first
[10:21] is talk about if
[10:30] they are looking at any items for next
[10:33] year's budget.
[10:33] >> we are in uniform this evening. The rest of
[10:38] the commission did not get that memo.
[10:39] that being said, I did have to
[10:48] cover us.
[10:51] okay. So commissioner mel kuhn and commissioner pull-up los
[10:56] followed by commissioner wall lake and
[11:00] commissioner strauss?
[11:05] >> hello. Just a few comments and questions. The comprehensive
[11:09] plan is included in the expenses of this budget?
[11:12] >> it
[11:13] is for this year's budget.
[11:16] >> but it will continue?
[11:24] >> yes. And then just some comments, would these different events
[11:30] and things for instance the friday night music and what have you
[11:33] I know we started it without
[11:39] a lot of advance notice but I know that
[11:45] we want to make sure we are getting sponsorships and different
[11:51] things to utilize leases for computer equipment and
[11:54] things of that nature. Things that may be more
[11:58] cost-effective when we are planning?
[12:03] >> what we have to do with this
[12:05] budget is look at the money. If we can't say friday
[12:10] night music were going to raise $50,000 so it's only going to
[12:13] be budgeted for $50,000,
[12:21] that is how the normal budget works but that's not how the
[12:23] municipal budget works. We have to budget for the whole $100,000. The
[12:25] revenue is over here. So we have to show
[12:31] $100,000 in the budget and then that revenue will
[12:34] be elsewhere. We can't just
[12:37] reduce it.
[12:38] >> I was just making the point that we are making
[12:43] and effort. And then I
[12:49] know that the emergency fund is here and I want to talk about
[12:52] that for just a second. When this was approved I don't know if
[12:56] it was commissioner claudia who increased added it or something but at the time
[13:04] I think connie hoffman wisely took this
[13:07] and the town attorney discussed it turning it into a hurricane
[13:10] and then and emergency fund. So this is for
[13:14] any emergency. It could be budgetary or storm
[13:22] or anything. My question is, how do you determine that we do need and
[13:26] additional 500,000? Is it based on a different study in the case of
[13:34] this storm, we have to have things that
[13:35] are covered. What is the standard with however many months
[13:42] of salaries and where are the upfront costs that we
[13:44] need to have reimbursed later on?
[13:45] what other forms of payment to we have and
[13:47] is there and amounts needing to earn money or can we have in open
[13:52] line of credit?
[13:53] to put and amount of money without knowing exactly what might be the
[13:58] standard is in issue.
[14:05] is widow brian are here what is the plan during those kinds
[14:09] of events?
[14:10] >> good evening. I had the privilege to
[14:16] meet with a bunch of neighbors across the way
[14:19] in the gulf that unfortunately were hit by
[14:22] hurricane last year. And this did come up. Fort
[14:26] myers beach blew through their emergency fund in less than
[14:31] a month. So that kind of got the discussion started. If we get hit
[14:34] with a category one versus a category five
[14:37] those amounts of money are significantly
[14:43] different. At one time they were making levels having problems
[14:46] with assessors after the fact
[14:55] and then essentially telling people they don't have to pay property taxes.
[14:58] so there was no revenue source coming in
[14:59] and they had and emergency fund reserves and then taxes
[15:03] were frozen. Whatever they collected at that time was all they
[15:07] were getting. God for bid we get a storm
[15:09] like this I think the thought process will be to take a serious look at
[15:16] what we have in reserves and make sure we are comfortable
[15:19] with that number. It does vary from community to community. They have
[15:22] all had different standards with input from
[15:27] staff and surrounding communities with what they
[15:30] are doing.
[15:31] >> do we have those kinds of discussions to see what other
[15:37] missed polities might do or what have you?
[15:40] >> there are casual conversations but
[15:45] no numbers.
[15:46] >> this might be a good amount or it might be
[15:50] too little. Are there other forms?
[15:52] should we have in open line of credit if
[15:58] it hits the only use for that purpose?
[16:00] >> I do think that that leads to
[16:02] another segway into what staff is looking for
[16:07] new banking probably going through this fall
[16:09] which is something we will take a look at for a question
[16:12] in the rfp and lines of credit should be got for bid have
[16:16] been issue.
[16:17] >> I wanted to have a better number and maybe a more scientific number.
[16:22] that is all.
[16:25] >> great
[16:27] question.
[16:28] >> going back to the
[16:37] emergency fund what is this earmarked for god for bid there be
[16:43] a storm and we cannot collect taxes or support the government. What
[16:46] else would this be earmarked for
[16:48] specifically?
[16:49] >> it would be considered a rainy day fund. The vice mayor did
[16:55] a good job illustrating that should be got for bid have another pandemic
[16:58] and the income would come from taxes. We need to have a source
[17:04] of income to pay the vendors and to pay staff.
[17:09] >> or of cost is increase we need to bring someone in before they
[17:12] get paid by fema or something with cash
[17:16] on hand. To pay someone for something that was not budgeted
[17:19] we have a contingency that we always keep
[17:22] of $100,000 but that is not enough to do something
[17:25] major. And that is what that 2.5 is
[17:28] for.
[17:28] >> I didn't know if that was something that had
[17:36] to trigger or us just saying we have and additional slush fund that we
[17:38] can use whenever we want.
[17:39] >> that funding is set is kept separate so we would
[17:47] not be using it for day-to-day operations. Not on
[17:50] a normal basis. Is there it and emergency and x, y, and z is happened.
[17:53] can you expend funds at this
[17:56] time?
[17:57] >> while you are there I know linda mentioned the enhanced pressure
[18:05] can you going to that?
[18:09] >> we are getting brand-new pavers and currently the pavers are 10 years
[18:11] old but extremely
[18:17] beat up. Currently we clean twice a week and we are looking to
[18:20] expand that at four times a week doubling the amount of service to keep them in the best conditions.
[18:23] I know the number is a shock as we are paying
[18:26] 200,000 now. I am happy again
[18:30] to work with her vendors when we do go to rfp and try to get
[18:35] the best price possible but I
[18:39] did want to present you with what I think is a number and not come
[18:42] back and say we are hundred 50,000 short. I want to accept the challenge
[18:44] of doing more
[18:50] with less.
[18:52] >> for our building and europa we just pressure washed a year ago.
[18:54] the building has not been painted cents. The pressure washed
[19:02] did nothing. Whether it is tile or stucco or whatever it
[19:11] may be you're not getting it out no matter
[19:17] how much more you pressure wash it. So will it make a
[19:20] difference? If you're doing this twice as many times some services
[19:23] it will work in other sources it will do
[19:24] no good.
[19:25] >> we want to try to keep it at that level as opposed
[19:27] to saying it's degraded and we can't fix that. Essentially now we are removing
[19:29] new stains and that is not coming out.
[19:32] like the chocolate ice cream that's been
[19:33] there since it was put there is not coming
[19:38] out now. But we do want to maintain a level where we
[19:41] can keep it in the best condition and not
[19:44] be reactive.
[19:45] >> this is a foreseeable cost that
[19:49] will run as not just a one time shot.
[19:50] we are raising this now and for
[19:52] the future.
[19:53] >> thank you commissioner.
[19:56] that will take us to
[19:58] commissioner strauss.
[20:00] >> good morning, good afternoon, good
[20:08] evening and good night. Let's start with a question
[20:11] that we have on the budget document that you
[20:17] sent.
[20:20] it says funding for traffic calming measures and other additional funds.
[20:25] as you know my concern was with the area of sober shores in the district
[20:29] south of commercial.
[20:37] there is a lot of concern here with the traffic
[20:39] that is going through west straight wind passing benihana's continuing
[20:42] on with issues that are happening in the last
[20:47] several months. We talked about the process of
[20:50] looking into that and it
[20:54] does entail a traffic study before we do anything
[20:57] else. And then potentially other calming devices
[21:02] as well. We are talking about funding for traffic is
[21:05] that something
[21:06] different?
[21:07] >> it is at the very bottom that we will discuss that during
[21:14] the cip. It does belong in the capital improvement
[21:20] plan. So we have not forgotten about you. It will just be discussed
[21:23] in the next meeting.
[21:32] >> I hope that everyone understands they are
[21:35] not forgotten. I know that we do have a town meeting
[21:37] for the community coming up toward the end of the week that will follow
[21:40] this and that is important. With regards to
[21:47] the pressure the $200,000 is being afraid by the
[21:57] businesses downtown and what they will pay as part of the cleaning responsibilities?
[21:59] >> that is a great point. As part of the sidewalk
[22:02] cafe fee this is what we are looking into. It will bring the cost
[22:05] down but we are budgeting based on what
[22:07] I believe the cost will be and again I do hope it is
[22:09] significantly lower.
[22:10] >>> friday night music with $100,000 for
[22:13] 10 shows I believe we see that it is a success. Everyone has been very happy
[22:17] with this. One thing that I did ask for
[22:20] last year, before we started doing
[22:26] this, is I had a major question.
[22:41] at one time I did say the business downtown
[22:44] that benefited from this should kick in some
[22:46] money toward it. And I thought that was fair. We had some discussion back
[22:47] and forth with indication from them saying
[22:50] they are not benefiting financially therefore they do not
[22:52] want to give any money toward it.
[22:53] what I did ask, is that I would like to see some kind of metrics
[22:56] after this year. Things that may indicate whether or not there was success on
[23:00] a financial standpoint for these businesses.
[23:02] I would like to see some kind of
[23:05] fair share whether it is a token amount
[23:08] or something to put in because they do have some skin in the game. And
[23:11] I think it is fair to ask for contribution toward that level.
[23:14] it is a benefit to the businesses as well
[23:16] as the community and I do feel like everyone has a good time. I
[23:19] would ask the town continue to work in on this with discussions
[23:25] downtown and with all of that in mind seeing if we could get
[23:30] some contribution with that increase that
[23:32] we are going to spend now and having more
[23:36] shows and benefits added to the community.
[23:41] lastly can you explain what nuisance abatement
[23:47] consists of?
[23:49] >> that is the job of janel.
[24:00] >> good evening. This is janel campbell. Nuisance abatement basically
[24:02] provides a sum of money when you have a problem or
[24:04] code property for example that has issues that we cannot seem to get
[24:06] the property owner to remedy. The
[24:10] town would be through nuisance abatement programs which will require and
[24:14] ordinance amendment and you would be able to go in
[24:17] and remedy this issue ourselves. And then
[24:20] lien the cost of the abatement to the property.
[24:27] >> for example,
[24:36] last year the highest house on pine avenue was a mess. And then we had
[24:39] the house and bel air that also had a broken fence and a pool that
[24:42] was not being maintained. So the town took
[24:48] the responsibility to pay for someone to put a
[24:53] fence up because it was a detriment to public safety to
[24:57] have that pool open. We also did hire somebody to maintain
[25:03] the yard of the property.
[25:09] the cost was easy because it was small. It can however get out
[25:15] of control very quickly and it can eat up
[25:18] the town budget. That is kind of what janel is looking at.
[25:22] >> that does not mean that the entire amount would be used. In the next
[25:29] budget year it is just available should a larger issue, or a multitude
[25:33] of issues come up.
[25:34] >> the money that we are outlaying
[25:36] now would be
[25:40] toward the nuisance abatement. But we would be leaning those properties
[25:42] likely trying to call that money back in
[25:48] the future. Really it is and investment in improving
[25:49] the community with the hopes of getting that money back from the
[25:52] property owner?
[25:53] >> they would not necessarily be bogged
[25:57] down in the code process and they could
[26:00] fix those issues on her own time.
[26:08] >> thank you. Being last, a lot of my comments have already been
[26:10] addressed. But I will take a shot at this. The emergency fund is something
[26:12] that I did
[26:18] bring up. One of the things in particular that
[26:24] this covers, it has happened in numerous storms
[26:27] and it didn't necessarily have to be that large but it would cover any
[26:30] expense that we would have to upfront that fema
[26:39] could reimburse.
[26:42] >> and I do believe that was a good point with a
[26:45] lot of good, to receiving from the west coast communities. The running joke
[26:48] as you see the money 10 years after a
[26:50] storm if you are lucky. There are upfront costs that we do hope we
[26:53] get reimbursed 8090 and hundred percent four. But the bills are due
[26:55] to contractors and whether or not fema decides to pay
[27:03] for them.
[27:05] or they come back and say this is no longer eligible. It
[27:07] will continue to give us a security blanket being able to address our
[27:09] needs immediately and try to return the town to some normalcy.
[27:12] >> it's also in in independent and separate fund
[27:18] unlike parking where we can use it at our discretion.
[27:21] this would specifically be for the emergency
[27:23] type items as it states.
[27:24] >> it is designated by the commission what
[27:27] they would be used for.
[27:29] >> back to the fema example did you
[27:35] not inherit some old payments that were coming to you from
[27:39] fema when you first started with us? They may have taken forever and
[27:42] you had to account for them to make sure you had every nickel and
[27:45] dime that should've been allocated to
[27:47] us but they came in dribs and drabs?
[27:48] >> yes.
[27:54] >> it would cover town topics like
[28:02] this. I think we have addressed this before and it is a big chunk of money
[28:05] for something that is becoming quite obsolete in today's technology. We
[28:06] have the email blast and all kinds of other
[28:15] methods now. I think if push comes to
[28:17] shove and we have to have some printed we could stack them in the
[28:20] town hall next to the pelican or wherever the pelican is distributed. Or at
[28:21] the visitor center or some business that
[28:24] would like it in here at their front doors
[28:27] or wherever they keep it. It would throw them in
[28:33] the driveway. Friday night music
[28:38] is purely a budget issue. It could potentially be a cost-saving issue
[28:41] if there were ever any and we don't have to spend that money. Unfortunately
[28:46] that does happen. Enhanced patrol.
[28:52] can you elaborate on that?
[28:55] >> if
[28:59] you want to address what we've all addressed and then throw in one or
[29:02] two that you have everyone collaborate and then go back to this without building
[29:04] it up on one. Let's get back to those that
[29:06] we have not addressed. Because we do
[29:08] want to talk about what we were just looking at. Then we can
[29:12] come back instead of just biting onto three
[29:14] or four different topics we can go around again. Just to stay on point
[29:19] with what most people are concerned with now and then we can get into
[29:22] the other areas. Instead of
[29:27] going for five let's do the two or three and inserting a
[29:31] couple of town topics.
[29:36] >> do you want me to address the enhanced patrol?
[29:37] >> if you could.
[29:45] not that were not going to address it but I
[29:47] would like to get to my points because there is a lot regarding six
[29:55] and seven. I do want to address whatever one else
[29:58] is brought up and then look at my own. We do have and additional
[30:00] contract with bso which is $80,000 that we
[30:02] have set aside every year. Tom is not recommending and increased to
[30:04] that this year. But that
[30:08] is when on spring break you have more of a police presence in the
[30:16] downtown areas.
[30:25] >> the enhanced visibility is a separate contract of the town has with the
[30:27] bso and is enhanced visibility during peak season. We run this through the
[30:34] past easter and it is
[30:38] a dedicated deputy in the downtown area from thursday night to friday saturday
[30:40] and sunday evening during peak
[30:44] times. It was started around the pandemic and the town has continued it
[30:49] since then. It has proven very successful as a program that
[30:51] is well-received by the public and the businesses. Deputies
[30:59] are there on the scene and they can address any issues that may come from
[31:02] downtown and dedicate staff for visibility and it is contractual so deputy
[31:07] must be there for every one of those evenings
[31:10] and they are handpicked by myself and
[31:13] a lieutenant.
[31:14] >> my point was that it was further downtown
[31:19] versus the enhanced patrols in the neighborhoods.
[31:22] >> thank you commissioner. Obviously number
[31:28] one is the increase in the
[31:37] emergency fund.
[31:38] I believe this is a hypothetical.
[31:39] it is important to have reserves and I do believe
[31:43] we do have and ample amount now because I don't think we could've ever guessed
[31:46] how much we could need. As the commissioner gestated in the vice
[31:48] mayor has stated it is a hypothetical.
[31:49] if we increase of 500 why not
[31:54] 1 million? Or 1,000,000 1/2? We will burn through as much as
[31:58] we can. So it is great to prepare and I
[32:04] understand in c ranch club be
[32:09] there are the reserves and something we did not have. It is very
[32:11] important because we will have continuing upgrades and repairs that
[32:19] are constant. What we don't know is when we will have the storm.
[32:22] we have not had one yet since I've been there for 14
[32:27] years. To burden the taxpayers and the budget with trying to come up
[32:34] with $500,000 we may lose the opportunity to continue
[32:37] to move the town in the level in which we have because
[32:40] we are putting $500,000 into reserves remain
[32:46] every use. Once you raise the tax it doesn't come back
[32:49] out. I'm not suggesting that we do not be prudent or prepared but this
[32:52] is something that we have not touched in 14 years. To burden 45% of the proposed
[32:55] budget in the 22 line items to that
[33:00] one item is something that we will struggle with in the budget and keeping
[33:03] the village where it is. The public works enhanced pressure cleaning we've
[33:09] gone through and I just want to run some numbers. Unfortunately they are
[33:16] not pretty but this is what we do is
[33:22] a town.
[33:25] I am not happy about it but it is what it is.
[33:28] I think our revenue for the outdoor cafes about $80,000. The current
[33:30] cluster pressure cleaning is 200,000.
[33:32] out-of-pocket is 170 or maybe less because we
[33:35] have other things that we have to do trash this that and the other and
[33:40] it's not all going into pressure cleaning.
[33:45] when we do this new improvement the understanding is that the budget could
[33:46] possibly go with $450,000 plus for pressure
[33:49] cleaning. When I run the numbers in
[33:55] my head I understand maintenance and projections. If we are hypothetically
[34:01] spending $3 million in a downtown project we will spend 2 1/2
[34:06] million cleaning new pavers in five years. What we
[34:10] are paying for the clean pavers
[34:16] basically exceed the budget of putting this downtown for
[34:19] a lifelong 20 years and I am not suggesting that there is
[34:22] a way around that. We did go at this pretty
[34:29] hard. But we have to review this and I'm glad
[34:32] the commissioner has picked up on it
[34:38] as well.
[34:41] it is important. There is no question about that. The commissioner
[34:43] has brought up some great points that I
[34:45] did not in the meeting with you but they are solid and they are
[34:50] right on. Is it necessary the amount.
[34:56] that is something
[35:02] that is tough to swallow. Because it will never
[35:04] go away. In 10 years it's another 3 million
[35:08] we just can't keep doing it. That is one of our biggest
[35:17] budget items and I know it's tough. We went out and we will
[35:20] have to figure this out as a commission.
[35:24] this is a tough one to swallow. But if that is what the market
[35:28] is bearing then we need to get our head wrapped
[35:30] around that and come up with the alternative somehow, someway. Public works and
[35:37] enhanced pressure cleaning and the nuisance abatement if
[35:44] I may thank you.
[35:59] thank you for that suggestion and I do appreciate
[36:02] your thoughts and what the attempt you have to do here. I am
[36:05] still wavering back and forth on whether or not the nuisance abatement
[36:08] is something to budget that we kind of already do and I know it
[36:13] takes time but to put a budget for the purpose of this
[36:16] I think is somewhere and I am not suggesting that we
[36:20] give the staff a workload but this is something we should be monitoring
[36:23] and doing was staff as a town. I don't think we
[36:26] have a lot of
[36:31] those issues. $30,000 seems like a lot of money but
[36:33] we don't win these battles. I've been involved with
[36:47] mitigation on zombie properties for 14 and 13 years
[36:50] and we never have any luck.
[36:51] the banks don't care the owners don't care they come back with the tail
[36:53] between her legs and fill out the application for
[36:56] mitigation they come in and they beat us up to 15 to 20% and they just don't
[36:59] care. For us to budget something and know that we
[37:02] do have a dollar figure that we can spend to do this and staff I think
[37:05] could do this in a way where we will spend money but the budget I'm
[37:08] not sure I'm with right now. At least not at this time when
[37:12] we are facing a potential increase in the reserve
[37:17] funding which are big dollars and big numbers that aren't
[37:23] going anywhere. If we could chip away at 30,000 here and
[37:28] 15,000 there that is big money that will keep millage
[37:32] where it should be.
[37:35] it keeps our town where we work hard to
[37:41] do this.
[37:43] the capital improvement is proof of what we continue to give
[37:45] residents and those supporting this town
[37:52] as well. I know I do not talk about that and I have
[37:54] apologies because I've been out of town but I'd like to leave
[37:57] it there.
[37:58] >> the intent of the nuisance abatement is more to ensure
[38:04] that the community does not have to live with some of these issues for
[38:05] extended periods of time. Sometimes it can
[38:08] be arduous. My thought was to
[38:13] have something where we could fix and issue upfront if it
[38:18] becomes one of those zombie properties and recoup
[38:22] the money elsewhere so that you don't have to look at these things
[38:26] every day.
[38:29] >> we have the funding to take care of these one offs that do come along.
[38:32] and I think maybe we should focus more on that
[38:35] and have the attorney
[38:40] to see what we should or should not do
[38:47] moving forward.
[38:56] again it is a losing battle and we do not
[38:58] win on any of these. But I think we do have to take care of
[39:00] certain properties every now and again.
[39:02] I think we can and we should but I don't think they are drawling up
[39:05] another line item on that. I am not sure if that is what I want
[39:10] to do. Friday night music I think the comment with
[39:14] respect to business participation is most importantly
[39:17] one of those unfortunate things that I
[39:20] think we should try hard to get everyone to
[39:22] participate with. If everyone does not participate you cannot have
[39:28] the program. If they say four of us don't participate but the others do
[39:31] I don't know how we could take money from everyone else unless they need to
[39:35] make money with that contribution.
[39:41] it would just become a contribution rather than
[39:44] a build.
[39:47] and I don't think we can do that. If were all not paying the
[39:53] nobody will pay. I don't know how we
[39:59] do this.
[40:00] >> I think that presumes how the program
[40:08] is structured.
[40:10] I believe there is a free rider program but there is also a desire to
[40:13] go door to door and ask people to participate. If you want to
[40:16] explore whether or not there's the ability to have a program to raise
[40:21] a mandatory fee there are things like that with business
[40:24] improvement districts and more that could still
[40:29] be explored.
[40:30] >> thank you. I think I've covered
[40:36] most of the conversation.
[40:45] I think we can do for
[40:51] that update. I think we've done quite a bit at this point and
[40:57] right now are not having any issues.
[41:03] on the enhance patrol
[41:12] that is built separately. The only other thing I
[41:18] want to go into public safety and say it was also mentioned that
[41:21] I'd like to bring that in.
[41:29] any suggestions that you may have you know the
[41:31] town better than most of us because you know where the problem
[41:35] areas are. If you have suggestions tonight or whenever I
[41:37] would like to probably sit down with you because I like to maybe
[41:43] discuss this. I know benihana is a big thing and we need
[41:47] to look at that but I think it is a
[41:49] struggle. I've looked at it 100 times in the last few months and
[41:54] it seems almost impossible when we come up with one solution
[41:56] we end up coming up with another problem and
[41:58] that's all I keep seeing. I really like your input on all
[42:06] of that.
[42:08] >> how would you like to go about looking
[42:15] at this? My hope was that we could prioritize the list.
[42:24] and possibly see if there is consensus from the commission to
[42:26] eliminate any items. Can we start with that?
[42:31] >> is there anyone else wants to bring up any items that we
[42:36] have not addressed?
[42:41] I don't want to rush this but I know we have a meeting so
[42:45] we could start that one a little bit later. 75th celebration vice mayor,
[42:48] is there anything that you want to look at? You know better
[42:54] than anyone what the plan will be.
[42:57] >> it was kind of a placeholder but I hope
[43:00] we will have new refined numbers before the
[43:05] budget hits.
[43:07] >> commissioner do you have anything
[43:12] to say?
[43:17] >> nothing new. Describe back to the topics for discussion if
[43:20] you want to go around. I feel like these are some things that we could
[43:23] compromise on.
[43:23] >> let's go to the paver cleaning numbers.
[43:26] you want to eliminate one day and make it
[43:28] $100,000 difference and see where we fall
[43:31] on that?
[43:32] >> yes. I'd like to find the middle ground
[43:36] and go to 100,000.
[43:39] >> if you want to go forward I circled the friday night
[43:42] music as well. I was thinking
[43:47] about having that if we were trying to
[43:50] save money. In addition we have the emergency fund.
[43:54] >> let's go one at a time.
[44:12] once a month is what is currently budgeted.
[44:14] >> what
[44:18] we discussed is what we like to do here.
[44:24] we have on incredible accounting system with the zones of
[44:27] parking and revenue that we pull in. We know when the
[44:30] revenue is strong what months are here
[44:33] throughout the year. We know what lot
[44:36] is being brought in and what every commuter is bringing in.
[44:39] if you could show this in the next presentation when we do have
[44:42] friday night music, how much parking revenue
[44:48] are we bringing in additional to normal
[44:54] friday night.
[44:56] let's see if we are able to recoup some of this money in the parking
[44:57] revenue and at the same time enriching the
[45:00] businesses with a great event date keeps lauderdale-by-the-sea
[45:03] busy and brings everyone in. I would like to see what
[45:09] additional revenue is coming in which would really help me make
[45:15] this decision. If it is costing in additional 30,000
[45:16] or 50,000 that's a good enticement to vote
[45:24] for it.
[45:27] if it is costing us more than 100 because
[45:30] we found something we do not think about
[45:32] what I do not think is the issue, give me some revenue or expenses
[45:35] on it. So we can use it least use that and dial
[45:42] it in.
[45:51] >> it can be based off of weather and heat. We have 52
[45:57] weeks to look at it. I am
[46:02] from trying to find that middle ground to compromise.
[46:12] >> my ideas to find the middle ground on a
[46:14] few things. I don't feel right or comfortable increasing the friday
[46:16] night music costs and then not allocating
[46:19] at least something toward the
[46:24] emergency fund. If a hurricane comes there
[46:26] were not caring that much about friday night music. I'd like to
[46:31] see some balance there. Besides that I'd like to keep the millage low and
[46:35] if we could cut a little bit here and
[46:38] there.
[46:38] >> are we getting things back or are the businesses doing well and paying
[46:46] more taxes? Are the hotels filling up on friday nights
[46:49] were they normally would
[46:53] not? There are people that come in from west end driving 30 minutes for the
[46:58] friday night event and stay in the hotels and these
[47:00] are things that I cannot measure but we
[47:02] can measure the parking because we do
[47:07] control that.
[47:10] >> what was said about friday night music, I would
[47:14] lean toward a compromise of the breakdown with half of that looking at
[47:19] the opportunity for continued enhance friday night music twice
[47:25] a month with town contribution.
[47:33] my suggestion last year was a simple token contribution from every
[47:37] business in the downtown area.
[47:42] everybody I believe benefits from this. We
[47:44] are not asking them to pay for it all. We will handle the majority of
[47:47] the bill but the token contribution would go a long way and I feel
[47:51] like everyone will benefit from it.
[47:52] the amount of the contribution would have to be determined by the
[47:55] commission and the town manager. I think that is the
[47:58] fair thing to do. I like what you're saying having
[48:04] a metric number to figure out through parking.
[48:08] we will not be getting finances from the businesses. They're not
[48:14] going to tell us how much more they did on friday night. I wouldn't tell
[48:17] them either. The parking is something that we could look at for
[48:25] that determination. At least it is in idea and is something that
[48:28] we could manage and look at the have and idea whether or not
[48:30] it is a benefit to the community.
[48:31] if the community is making and extra
[48:34] $10,000 on that night for parking, that could go toward the
[48:37] music. I do agree. I do think the people that
[48:43] do benefit should
[48:48] have something. The citizens are benefiting and they pay
[48:52] for this through their taxes. They
[48:56] just go through the commission to do so. The businesses pay
[49:04] taxes also but they are benefiting directly from
[49:05] the enhance businesses down there.
[49:06] my belief is there should be some kind of
[49:10] contribution from them toward that.
[49:15] >> I do have a quick question maybe you can answer this with
[49:19] regard to the emergency fund. I would like to know what is in the
[49:22] emergency fund now so only add 500,000 what were looking at? I just
[49:25] want to get that out
[49:27] there.
[49:27] >> so I think we are in agreement let's reduce
[49:34] friday night back to 50 and if we think it can change with
[49:37] additional information on the revenue stream
[49:46] maybe there can be more contributions that would come if we could have some
[49:49] businesses commit. We cannot strong-armed them of
[49:51] course but I have no problem reducing that
[49:53] 50. I know that commissioner pilobolus is okay
[50:01] with this.
[50:06] >> is anyone looking to keep this at the one and look at
[50:10] it in the next?
[50:19] >> do you want to go back and
[50:27] keep all of the events that we have proposed as dive into summer is the
[50:31] bug fest. Kids by the sea is something that we thought about branding for
[50:37] this year movie at the park is something else that we've
[50:43] put in and of course the 75th dancing by the sea and yoga by
[50:49] the sea.
[51:09] there are in additional one or two other events
[51:13] that we are going to do but that number is also branding and other
[51:17] things. It will be the whole year.
[51:29] I like the idea of community events.
[51:31] I'm not sure what kids by the sea is proposed to be?
[51:33] >> it was a new event we put in the budget
[51:36] for this year. And then with the transition we kind of pushed it off. But
[51:41] it's more like a kick off to summer event with maybe like a
[51:50] sand castle contest and things like that.
[51:56] >> we will be extending this meeting about 10 minutes
[51:58] before we start the regular commission meeting.
[52:05] >> we are going to be looking at the sidewalk cafe
[52:08] permit fees and stuff like that part of that will be cleaning
[52:10] and maybe there could be something small. We
[52:12] can be like gorging here. There may be a small element of
[52:13] a fee for that entertainment in the downtown area.
[52:15] >> we have not increased the sidewalk cafe
[52:16] fee in a very long time. They have been the same for
[52:18] quite a while. We've reduced them on the
[52:19] west side of town. I cannot remember the last time.
[52:25] at least 10 years point
[52:28] >> maybe that could be an equitable way of everybody participating.
[52:38] >> commissioner poulopulos?
[52:39] >> no, there's nothing else I want to put out. I think I addressed
[52:43] the three. I guess we will go back to the emergency fund?
[52:45] >> okay.
[52:48] >> thank you. I think this year, kids by sea, I do not
[52:57] know if I want to put advice on that. Like the vice mayor said,
[52:59] we will have a lot of events coming out with the 75th. I am okay leaving
[53:03] that. Movies at the park. I do not know what the attendance is when
[53:05] we have it. Is that --
[53:07] >> we have not done it yet.
[53:09] >> I think let's -- I am okay with leaving that.
[53:15] dancing by the sea, I think that is a great community event we've
[53:19] got going. Landscape.
[53:22] I think that is good.
[53:25] maybe the scavenger hunt.
[53:27] I mean --
[53:28] >> that is new.
[53:31] >> no, that would be --
[53:37] >> the business, yeah.
[53:44] >> I am okay to delete that. To my before you move on, do we have
[53:49] consensus to remove the kids by the sea?
[53:51] >> I think let's go through the list. So everybody knows.
[53:53] >> okay.
[53:56] >> that is
[54:03] the strategic plan. I know that is important to you, linda. I know
[54:08] town manager and -- has not had that picture has been with us a
[54:10] long time and she understands what our motives are on that. So I am
[54:14] okay with that.
[54:16] >> thank you. I would agree with you. Kids by sea, deleting that
[54:21] at this time for this current project.
[54:26] I am in favor of movies at the park but I think for the price,
[54:29] that is something I would like to try. I think it has been a boom
[54:33] for the people. I see what they have done there. And I think we
[54:36] could take advantage of that. For the price, I think it is worth,
[54:40] as they say, the juice is worth the squeeze on
[54:44] that. I am for that. The scavenger hunt.
[54:49] I would have no problem in deleting that. Off the budget. Dancing by
[54:54] the sea. Those of been very
[54:58] successful in the town. I've seen a lot of people participate in that.
[55:01] that is a good thing and it gets a lot of participation. The question
[55:05] about the bathroom renovation. Each bathroom renovation.
[55:11] this is the stuff that is right downtown behind it -- yet. If
[55:16] I remember, those are relatively new bathrooms that we built
[55:19] .
[55:22] >> so the problem is vandalism.
[55:24] the grade of fixers that are in some of them
[55:30] , while commercial grade, they are
[55:32] not heavy-duty. We changed some of her last year but had some money
[55:35] left to do two. They have held up extremely well problems with six
[55:38] getting busted, toilets getting busted.
[55:44] the bathrooms are closed for long periods of time. This seems
[55:46] to have solved the issue.
[55:48] >> okay, I understand. In my mind, those are relatively new. I understand
[55:50] there is vandalism and things happen.
[55:53] I'm going to pass over to commissioner oldaker.
[55:57] >> I'm fine with the comments. I'm going to stick to my guns on the
[56:01] emergency fund. I think it is of the utmost importance for our town
[56:06] .
[56:09] >> so you want to go through this real
[56:14] quick? You want to call them out? And
[56:18] we have a consensus on each item real quick?
[56:26] >> yes, open house or businesses?
[56:28] >> the vice mayor -- his comment.
[56:29] >> yes.
[56:29] >> yes.
[56:30] >> yes.
[56:31] >> the strategic plan?
[56:32] >> yes.
[56:32] >> yes.
[56:33] >> yes.
[56:33] >> yes.
[56:36] >> training through the attorney's office?
[56:39] >> yes.
[56:42] >> yes.
[56:43] >> yes.
[56:44] >> yes.
[56:46] >> the computer updates?
[56:49] >> no, not if it is not urgent.
[56:54] >> only if it is not necessary, no.
[56:56] >> no.
[56:57] >> no.
[57:00] >> the lobbyists?
[57:02] >> yes.
[57:02] >> yes.
[57:03] >> yes.
[57:04] >> yes.
[57:06] >> the
[57:10] printing and mailing of town topics?
[57:12] >> no.
[57:12] >> no.
[57:13] >> no.
[57:13] >> no.
[57:15] >> died in the summer?
[57:17] >> yes.
[57:18] >> yes.
[57:19] >> yes.
[57:20] >> yes.
[57:22] >> friday night music?
[57:25] just say five or 10, if you would?
[57:30] five times or 10 times, or zero?
[57:31] >> five.
[57:32] >> five.
[57:32] >> five.
[57:33] >> five.
[57:34] >> kids by sea?
[57:37] >> I
[57:38] will say yes.
[57:40] >> yes.
[57:42] >> no.
[57:43] >> no.
[57:46] >> okay.
[57:47] he's at the park?
[57:48] >> yes.
[57:49] >> no.
[57:49] >> yes.
[57:49] >> yes.
[57:50] >> 75th celebration?
[57:53] >> yeah. [ laughter ]
[57:56] >> that would be a mistake. Yes.
[57:58] >> that is a big yes. Yes.
[57:59] >> yes.
[58:02] >> dancing by the sea?
[58:06] >> yes.
[58:07] >> yes.
[58:07] >> yes.
[58:08] >> yes.
[58:09] >> yoga?
[58:10] >> yes.
[58:10] >> yes.
[58:11] >> yes.
[58:12] >> yes.
[58:14] >> enhanced bso patrol?
[58:15] >> yes.
[58:17] >> is that important? Yes. A big yes. I will not have a target on
[58:20] my back.
[58:22] >> yes. Especially the downtown bathrooms.
[58:24] >> yes.
[58:26] >> use of the basement?
[58:27] >> no.
[58:28] >> yes.
[58:31] >> no.
[58:34] >> the multi-hazard mitigation grants.
[58:40] the plan. We do not really talk about, but opens the door for us
[58:43] to be able to get fema grants.
[58:44] >> yes.
[58:45] >> yes.
[58:45] >> yes.
[58:46] >> yes.
[58:48] >> florida friendly landscape?
[58:52] >> the update to our landscape code?
[58:57] >> thank you.
[59:00] >> the abatement. That was not a yes
[59:03] or no?
[59:04] >> that was a no.
[59:07] >> that I say -- the friendly landscape would be more
[59:11] like an educational outreach to allow the residents of
[59:17] the town to be more knowledgeable about
[59:20] florida friendly landscape and hope to reduce their water consumption.
[59:25] things of that nature.
[59:26] >> I mean, for me, I think we need to look the
[59:31] landscape code. I know that is a big deal.
[59:32] >> yes.
[59:33] >> to incorporate some of those things.
[59:36] >> it may result in ordinance amendments.
[59:39] but that does not cost money because the staff does that. This
[59:41] would be more for education. To bring people in to help us to be
[59:47] more aware of what direction we could go.
[59:51] >> I think there is a lot of, I mean, with the
[59:55] garden club. We have so many contacts there could even give us free pamphlets
[1:00:00] if we want to do that and put in town topics. So it may
[1:00:02] be no.
[1:00:03] >> okay.
[1:00:06] >> I am going to say yes. The reason is
[1:00:12] I think it is important. And the owners do
[1:00:14] not regulate, especially in new construction. As related by the
[1:00:16] county and us. So maybe we can do our part to make sure the amount
[1:00:19] of dollars they are putting into this -- I had to spend
[1:00:23] almost $60,000 in landscaping. A lot of it died. I think every
[1:00:27] little bit can help and I think $2500 is fair. It is for a good
[1:00:31] cause.
[1:00:34] >> however you do it.
[1:00:37] >> yeah, sorry. Just a quick question
[1:00:41] on that? Is this something that somebody can
[1:00:43] pull up on our computer through the town?
[1:00:55] without having to spend $25 -- $2500 on?
[1:01:01] >> does it cost us 2500 to put it
[1:01:08] on the computer for people to understand?
[1:01:11] >> it would be more than the computer.
[1:01:12] creating pamphlets and other educational outreach actions.
[1:01:17] >> yeah.
[1:01:22] >> you have a plan in place now?
[1:01:23] is there something you put together?
[1:01:24] >> something I would put together.
[1:01:26] >> if you could maybe bring it back.
[1:01:28] I am for it, but maybe two against.
[1:01:31] >> I'm going, you know, I do just not understand it enough
[1:01:35] it in my mind, I think it is something I can pull up on the computer and
[1:01:40] go, oh, I can put it to be there.
[1:01:42] >> it is not so much about the landscaping. It is the types of landscape.
[1:01:46] I think the public is not aware of the different options
[1:01:50] that are equally nice-looking, but that require as much water
[1:01:54] consumption.
[1:01:56] >> I will say yes. Just on that price point.
[1:01:59] >> yes.
[1:02:02] >> we have three yes. Sorry to take so much time on that.
[1:02:06] >> the scavenger hunt?
[1:02:09] >> is this the map I have been waiting for like 15 years? We're
[1:02:13] doing the brochure this year. And then to no monitor followed up with
[1:02:16] the scavenger hunt.
[1:02:19] >> [ laughter ]
[1:02:22] >> when I was up here, I was asking about
[1:02:24] this.
[1:02:26] >> it is actually finished. Just needs to insert
[1:02:30] the pictures. About the scavenger is to get
[1:02:35] more civic engagement from younger members of the community. I thought
[1:02:38] it would be kind of nice to add a part two to it. That involves
[1:02:41] the children.
[1:02:44] >> so they have a little map? They would
[1:02:47] get a free something? A gift or something?
[1:02:49] >> exactly.
[1:02:51] >> I will say yes.
[1:02:52] >> yes, there's been council. Yes.
[1:02:55] >> yes. I'm going yes and changing.
[1:02:58] yes.
[1:03:03] >> I will say yes since we took away 69 -- yes. What is the age
[1:03:07] group on that? Any age?
[1:03:09] >> what is the age group on the scavenger hunt? Is it adults or
[1:03:11] kids?
[1:03:14] >> adults with kids?
[1:03:15] [ laughter ]
[1:03:16] >> everybody?
[1:03:18] >> I think kids --
[1:03:21] >> the presentation --
[1:03:25] >> finding meemo.
[1:03:33] >> that is very cute.
[1:03:36] >> finding meemo scavenger hunt. Anyway, that
[1:03:38] is a yes.
[1:03:41] >> emission her? Okay.
[1:03:44] the bathroom cleaning for the downtown?
[1:03:51] that is additional we can keep the bathrooms open a little bit later.
[1:03:54] >> yes.
[1:03:54] >> yes.
[1:03:54] >> yes.
[1:03:55] >> yes.
[1:03:58] >> then we have the enhanced pressure cleaning.
[1:04:02] I think the consensus was to reduce it to
[1:04:08] $100,000 from 200,000.
[1:04:09] >> yes.
[1:04:10] >> yes.
[1:04:10] >> yes.
[1:04:11] >> yes.
[1:04:13] >> and then finally, we will scroll down a little bit
[1:04:18] more. More down. We have the increase to the emergency fund.
[1:04:24] >> the renovations.
[1:04:25] >> I'm sorry. The beach bathroom renovation.
[1:04:29] >> yes.
[1:04:30] it sounds like it is necessary.
[1:04:32] yes.
[1:04:32] >> yes.
[1:04:32] >> yes.
[1:04:33] >> yes.
[1:04:34] >> and now the emergency fund.
[1:04:36] >> not now. I want to get more information.
[1:04:39] >> it is tentative. [ laughter ]
[1:04:43] >> I was going to say do 250 this year and 250 next year.
[1:04:49] is that your comment?
[1:04:52] >> no to any increase.
[1:04:53] >> no.
[1:04:56] >> we have a no vote of
[1:05:02] 2-2. What we do?
[1:05:06] >> this is just a consensus. Let's have a game plan here.
[1:05:09] >> they said they were tentative.
[1:05:14] >> one was tentative. Are you giving direction to come back with more
[1:05:16] information?
[1:05:17] >> what I would like is more information, like what I mentioned, what other
[1:05:21] options. I think, I will say 500,000 I think is a lot in one year if
[1:05:26] we were to give it. But I would also like to have a little more
[1:05:30] data as far as what options we
[1:05:38] have. What we currently have we can use? What to use as far as a
[1:05:41] credit line, perhaps? And I know it is all over the board. But maybe
[1:05:43] more specific. How many months of salaries we have to cover? What
[1:05:46] sort of expenses should we have?
[1:05:48] it is, I do just not like putting a number on something we don't exactly
[1:05:52] know. So it is like, how do I know 500,000 is even
[1:05:55] enough?
[1:05:56] >> you don't. And you won't.
[1:05:58] >> I am just saying, I would like to have more of a guideline with
[1:06:02] what other people do.
[1:06:11] >> we can bring it back information about other communities, the percentage
[1:06:13] of their budget, what they have.
[1:06:14] in a larger community is going to have a larger reserve.
[1:06:17] >> all right. We have to run a different vote. My thing is 250 is still a
[1:06:21] lot again. If we put the money and are not put it in, the town still
[1:06:24] has funds to absorb anything over the 2 1/2.
[1:06:32] 500 is not going to make or break.
[1:06:33] but I think the vice mayor mentioned earlier, why not have a credit line
[1:06:36] available for that? And then there's the potential of 1 million, $2 million
[1:06:40] without taxing our residents to have to worry about this now, especially
[1:06:44] in trying times.
[1:06:46] I just think, that is 40% of this whole budget right here. So I am
[1:06:50] having a big, big problem with that, we have more priorities. The town
[1:06:53] is not appropriate the town has coffers, and the tone is the ability
[1:06:58] with their credit rating to get
[1:07:06] anything but if we are going to do anything, spread out your after
[1:07:08] year, I would 100,000 maybe peter 70,000 this year, and do a five
[1:07:11] year or four year run, and monitor at that point. We can stop it any
[1:07:14] time in the future and we have the ability to stop it.
[1:07:26] 500,000 is a lot of money but I think last year,
[1:07:29] the changing of the -- the difference if we went to rolla, what we had
[1:07:32] was $280,000 and that was a big struggle. So this is a big problem.
[1:07:35] >> ivan questioned the ones that say we made a contribution to the
[1:07:37] emergency fund? What year?
[1:07:38] >> we increased --
[1:07:40] >> we know the exact year that we made a contribution to the emergency
[1:07:41] fund?
[1:07:42] >> we do not contribute emergency fund. It just sits there at $2.5
[1:07:44] million.
[1:07:45] >> sets window? 2005? 2010? What is up in?
[1:07:49] >> 2016.
[1:07:52] >> 2016. My point is we are in 2023 but I was thinking $250,000 roughly
[1:07:57] a 10% increase to the count for inflation if nothing
[1:08:01] else.
[1:08:03] and if you decide to do 250, be fine with that. And then doing 250
[1:08:07] the following year. That is what I was concerned with
[1:08:11] inflation, nothing is been done for the last 10 years.
[1:08:17] that money will go so far in 2023 as it did in 2016. Whenever
[1:08:19] it was originally contributed.
[1:08:21] >> I disagree with that methodology.
[1:08:24] the town can get money at any point.
[1:08:28] that is a drop in the bucket for a natural disaster. I am not
[1:08:33] sure if 250 is something that may not happen.
[1:08:37] because once it goes in, it sits and does not come out. It does not
[1:08:42] come back out. The town is not broke. We have plenty of other availability
[1:08:45] for funds.
[1:08:48] >> so I guess
[1:08:55] the motion, vice mayor, you raised it. You want to entertain a motion
[1:08:59] on that? A vote for 250 or whatever? Come back
[1:09:03] with something?
[1:09:06] >> no, we have to decide.
[1:09:11] we had a 2-2 and --
[1:09:13] >> I did not say 250. If you want to make a motion?
[1:09:15] >> well, the staff will come back
[1:09:20] >> I am not in favor of half 1 million of that is the question?
[1:09:25] >> all right.
[1:09:31] I think we have run a little bit out of time. What
[1:09:34] would like for you all to think of is where you prioritize these.
[1:09:41] if you could just look at the list, we will print about a new list and
[1:09:44] have you look at it and kind of try to prioritize them. And then
[1:09:47] we will bring them back together and talk about it briefly at our
[1:09:49] next meeting. That way you have that. Okay?
[1:09:50] >> but I would like to to then, his staff can go ahead and put together,
[1:09:53] just for the backup.
[1:09:53] the votes on the first 21 items and send us an email of that. Then
[1:09:56] we know what we did and the certain actions we had here.
[1:09:58] thank you.
[1:09:58] >> yep.
[1:09:58] >> already. With that, a motion?
[1:09:59] >> a motion to adjourn.
[1:10:00] >> let's take five minutes and we will try to
[1:10:02] take this. Unless you want to go to 7:00?