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This conference will now be recorded.

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flag.
I aliance to the flag of the United

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States of America and to the republic
for it stands one nation

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indivisible with liberty and justice for
all. Right.

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We'll call this Lawrence County
Commission meeting of September 1st to

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order.
We have any changes or additions to the

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agenda?
>> Mr. Chairman, there is an amended

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agenda. You'll know that under general
business, there's a section that's

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underlined. We're going to have you
reconsider the JJ grant from last time.

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I would note under the sheriff's time
that we're not prepared yet to submit

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the two agreements referenced under
there. So, those will be continued until

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your next meeting. Otherwise, I don't
know of any changes.

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» Approve the agenda as amended. Second
move by Tisdale, seconded by Euing to

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approve the amended agenda. All those in
favor say I.

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» Any oppose? Nay.
>> Okay. Motion carries. Any conflicts that

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we have to share today?
>> Seeing none, we'll move on to uh regular

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minutes. We've all had a chance to read
those over. Have any corrections or

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additions?
M to approve. Second

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» moved by Tisdale, second by Commer to
approve the minutes from August 25th.

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All those in favor say I.
>> Any oppose? Name.

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» Okay. And also had a chance to look over
the bills.

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» Motion to pay the bills.
>> Second.

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» And moved by Yuing, seconded by Comr to
pay the bills as presented or approve

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the bills. All those in favor say I.
>> I. Oppose. Nay.

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» Okay. Motion carries.
some uh personnel requests when you get

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» F3 for the sheriff's office to approve a
step raise for Stone Thoon as a

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full-time permanent deputy 2 grade 2 at
a base pay of 3433 effective September

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20th
and a separate from Marina Cleveland

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a full-time permanent sergeant one going
to a grade three at a base pay of 3753

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per hour effective September 20th
And then Adrien Chesa steps as a

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full-time permanent dispatcher one grade
two at a base pay at 2530 effective

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August 23rd.

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» Motion to approve the sheriff's request.
Second move by Tisdale, second by caller

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to approve the presented personnel
request from the sheriff's office. All

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those in favor say I. Any oppose? Nay.
Motion carries.

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I believe we have a travel request.
>> Yes. So, this travel request is for um

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Amber Quote to attend the 2026 Western
Planners Conference in Sou Falls from

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August 26 to the 28th.

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» Motion to approve the travel request.
>> Second.

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» Moved by Y. Seconded by comr to approve
the travel request as presented. This is

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last week apparently.
>> All those in favor say I.

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» Nay. Motion carries.
>> Thank you.

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» We have a raffle. Mr. Chairman
consideration is a raffle request

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submitted by a bridge between us. Quite
a bit of information included in your

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packets. I think it's relatively
self-explanatory. The date of the event

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is scheduled to be October 24th. think
of it here at the lodge. I think that

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would I would not know too that I think
they've had contact with the state to

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sort of verify their program that
they're going to have for the event and

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they're going to eliminate their 52 card
drawing for some reason.

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But that's for normal consideration.

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Move to not object.
>> Second

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and moved by Tisdale, seconded by Ying
to not object to the raffle for from

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Bridgew between us. Any questions? All
those in favor say I. I.

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» Oppos? Nay.
In fact, not.

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Next up is the JJRI grant
to have Lexi here twice in a row. What a

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bonus. Good morning.
>> Well, I am back again today. Um, we got

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notification late last week that the uh
application as it was submitted would

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not be accepted because I included 18
year olds in my list of completions. Um,

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in the past it's I've always included
them and then I've just noted for them

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that they were 18. This time they asked
me to remove um all 18y olds from the uh

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application since they're not eligible
for reimbursement. So uh that was done.

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We're still at a 93% successful
completion rate. Um

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happy to answer any questions.
>> That changes the amount of of the

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reimbursement, I assume.
>> No, it doesn't. Okay.

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» No. um because you're still I've I've
only ever been um reimbursed for the

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juveniles that are in there. I've just
always included all of my numbers for

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Lawrence County, including my kids that
were 18 at the time of their offense,

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and they just want me to do things
differently now.

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» Was it just to clear it up or
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» Housekeeping?
>> Yep. Yep.

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» How do you want the motion to read?
>> Just amend. just an amended to approve

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and authorize the chairman to sign the
amended JJRI initiative

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um program and designate team court as
the recipient. So move

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» second
has been moved by Flatigan, second by

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Comr to approve the amended JJRI
grant application and authorize the

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chairman to sign.
>> All those in favor say I. I.

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» Any oppose? Nay. Motion carries. Thank
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» Yep.

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[clears throat]
>> Thank you.

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» We're having a county health fair. Uh
Barb, I see you're online. Did you want

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to say anything about the county health
fair?

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comes up the sheriff's report. Pat, if
you have anything for us today,

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still open. Still open. Going strong,
too.

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» All right. Thank you for all your hard
work.

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» All right. We have a request to forgive
a county lean. Pam, you're ready. We

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sure entertain.

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» So, I just take this out.
Just read it in case I get

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um say good morning commissioners and
thank you for allowing us to speak at

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your meeting. I'm Pam Hines. This is my
husband Les and this is Sean Bornov and

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he is the good person we are advocating
for. So just a little history is that um

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after Sean's mother passed away in 2018
his sister became his guardian and that

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relationship was very difficult not
healthy. Shawn was actively looking to

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separate himself from his sister for
over a year because of the distress and

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mental anguish he was feeling due to the
relationship. Sean's sister was both

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guardian and his rep pay and she was
looking for conservatorship over Shawn

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or even more control and she scheduled a
court date. This was very upsetting to

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Shawn because her interactions were
always very negative and Shawn was

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feeling unheard [snorts] and unseen. At
Shaun's request, Northern Hills Training

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Center stepped in and worked with the
state to become his rep pay and take

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care of his day-to-day finances. Um
Sean's a part of the Northern Hills

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training center because he requires
support to live in the Spearfish

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community. And [clears throat] then when
Shawn showed up at court with his

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sister, he did not have an attorney. So
the judge appointed Amber Richie and she

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did a great job representing Shawn.
Shawn requested a new or different

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guardian and rejected the
conservatorship his sister was fighting

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for. I had worked for Northern Hills
Training Center, a new Shawn, and my

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husband and I both agreed then to become
guardian. So on March 23rd of 26, we

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knew legal he became his guardian. But
um the bill he received for this was

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$4,28, [clears throat]
which is more than he can afford since

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he lives on social security for the
disabled and just a part-time job at

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sheltered workshop.
Um my job is to advocate for him. So I

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I'm requesting that his bill be waved or
forgiven. And um the center is currently

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paying $50 a month and at this rate it
will take over 84 months or

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[clears throat] seven years to pay off
this bill. And as you can imagine, there

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are other items that are also going to
be addressed like for his teeth that

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will have an out-of pocket expense. And
I just put at the bottom there um his

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SSI and then he does get EBT. So he gets
a total of about $1,500 a month. and

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then his monthly expenses.
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when I talked to his um rep pay
yesterday, he had $4 in his account. So

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he was so glad today was first some more
money would come into account.

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But that's our our appeal for for Sean
questions for Sean.

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I believe you also saw an email from
Amber Richie about the case.

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» I think the amount, Mr. Chairman, you're
considering is 4,28.

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[clears throat]

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I'm sorry.
>> I think they did make one payment $50.

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» Sorry.

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Um I don't know if they ever done it for
well rarely. Um I think there's been one

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or two examples in my experience where
you've done it. Usually extraordinary.

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Uh this is a very interesting
circumstance though. I don't know of

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anything ever quite like this. Um for
example, I remember one girl came in.

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She had gotten out of prison. She had
been in prison for murdering her

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husband. And I think she came in and
wanted her courtappointed attorney fees.

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She didn't do that. That's years ago.
Um, so that's that's one example of

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request like that.
It's a lot.

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» I'm sure training center could use their
50 bucks a month. I know they're a big

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outfit, but you do a whole bunch of them
adds

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paying for it. It is money. The training
center is not

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they're just his pay.
>> I'll make a motion to uh forgive it.

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circumstances are extraordinary. I think

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» I'll second it

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by you and seconded by Tisdale to forget
the entire amount commissioner.

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» Somehow I missed Amber Richie's letter.

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She encouraged us to reduce the I'm
going back through my emails and I don't

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see it in the drive for that but I I
would

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based on her also recommendation to
forgive

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» it's there on the drive.
>> Mr. Mr. Chairman, we looked at the

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statute of we had never experienced that
before where the court had appointed the

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public defenders office in such a case
and statutoily it is allowed I think

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fairly clearly so it was appropriate
wasn't stretched

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any further discussion all those in
favor say I

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» any oppose nay
>> okay they will forgive the name thank

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you very much for coming up
>> want to say thank you

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» want to say thank Thank you.
>> Thank you.

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» You're welcome. Thanks for what you do.
>> Thank you,

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» Mr. Bay. Would you like to
send the

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good morning?
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Don't have a lot at this time. We do
have a fiveyear

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plan reading at 9:00.
But for now, I do have a a request for

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the permission to advertise a bid date
of September the 22nd,

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26 uh to open proposals for the
improvement of the Home State Road. But

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this would be the the two narrow passes
approximately 610 of a mile west of the

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intersection of Hills Road.
I did meet with the engineers yesterday.

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They're confident that they have their
plan in place to submit.

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We are still waiting for a couple of
easements, but uh

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hopefully we get those in place by the
time this uh this can go to a bid open.

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I'm looking for an approval toise.
>> So moved.

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» Second. Been moved by Flat, seconded by
Tisdale to advertise for the bid opening

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and for the uh or 6.18 miles of
Homestake Road. Is that enough time? It

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seems [clears throat] like a pretty
short time if we don't have the plan

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fully put together yet.
>> The plan's fully put together. It's just

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the e just the easiest that's all. Okay.
And it's not six, you know, it's not 618

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miles of distance. That's the
>> Oh, that's west. Yep. Gotcha.

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» It's two two locations that
they're they they're like 200 yards

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total. So,
I'm sorry, each

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both on the north side of the road.
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on the south side of the road for the
the furthest east. And then on the north

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side of the road, the Lind Cuffs
property, but because of the steep grade

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towards the bottom, it's a one to one
slope. To achieve a 3 to one slope,

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we're looking at roughly 180 ft of that
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a fair amount of east. So,
but yeah, that's where we are right now.

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uh but um
to go to bid or open bids on it for the

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22nd
and we're also into a a situation where

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it's kind of a little unique. You know,
we already know that the bidder is going

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to bid a low amount. you know, they're
promising to pay for this, but to to to

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meet all of the state standards to go to
this bid opening and and to try to keep

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other contractors from suffering.
It would be a shame for somebody to come

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to this and give up another job to bid
for this job knowing they're not going

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to get it. So, our advertisement is just
to satisfy the state

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requirements. Sure. Any further
questions? All those in favor say I. I.

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Any oppose? Nay. Okay. [clears throat]
The bid opening will be September 22nd.

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» I would just like to say that we did
start on the Elmore Road Grandard

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Construction. They constructed the
bypass. In fact, our crew is out there

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today. We're going to put a little
chloride on that to keep the dust down

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for the people that live out there
during this construction.

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They're they're certainly behind
schedule, but they do still are

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confident that they'll have this bridge
done before the end of the year. So,

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we'll see.
It is a cast in place

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deck, continuous board deck with a
button.

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There's a
and they're optimistic they're going to

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get it done. So, we'll see. I mean,
winter can strike strike pretty early

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out there in the Spearfish Canyon area,
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they are making progress. I I'll have
more reports on that coming. So,

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but yeah, they're
they did get the bypass built. They

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relocated the American diver.
Everything's going well.

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And we did yesterday complete the Hannah
bridge structures. As far as

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installation of all of those, they're
all in place.

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Those open. We we got that down. My
crew, our crew got it down to a fine

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art. They they did each one of those.
Yesterday's was the hardest one they did

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and they still did it in eight hours.
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they did a fantastic job. They look
great. They drive great. Our next step

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is to contact a paver and we're going to
get those paved, get that done before

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the snow also flies.
>> Looks like the community is very happy

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with them.
>> Yeah, you know, uh we got nothing but

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positive feedback on that. I think
everybody's pretty pleased with them

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that and and the actual installation
portion. They nobody was too

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inconvenience. We we gave everybody
enough warning that lives there. They

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all parked their cars on the, you know,
the downhill side of the structure. So,

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they were able to we kept a walkway
through there for them and I don't think

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anybody was too inconvenienced and now
it's good. They don't have to worry

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about garbage trucks falling through the
bridges anymore. They should be good for

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a long time. [clears throat]
>> I'm sure they appreciate that.

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» And other than the uh uh
the fiveyear plan stuff, I don't have

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anything else for you guys. If you don't
have anything for me,

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the wheel a little bit for that.
>> Yeah, that's public hearing at 9:00.

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» Thank you, John. Yep. Thanks, John.
Guess I should have asked anybody had

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any questions for Mr. P.
It's too late. [laughter]

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I'm out of here.

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» Don't be so get along with
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Got a little extra time here. just like
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come do some of those
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We're going to have plenty of time here.

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[clears throat]

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» Nice day.

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» I finally got an update on my Wells
Fargo letter situation. Um, I did not

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get anything from them, but I got help
from Corloic. Uh, yesterday we were

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going back and forth for quite a while,
and we finally Paula finally let me know

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that Wells Fargo
said that they sent the letters out in

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air, that they should have never gone
out.

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And um, I told them, well, is Wells
Fargo going to send letters out? They

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will not proof letters to go out if
they're in air. They say they don't have

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time or whatever. So, I have 46 people
that I have gotten phone calls for that

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I will call and let them know. And then
Core Logic, who is the third party that

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does a fantastic job that was working,
you know, contracted by Wells Fargo,

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they're going to try to contact any of
the people that they can on their end so

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that there is no problems at all. Um, I
told Paula, she's from Core Logic, my

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contact, that I was going to update our
web page and put out there that it was

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an error. And she goes, "Oh, let me
check with Wells Fargo." Um, and I said,

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"Well, I'll be politically correct. I,
you know, let me have what they wanted."

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And this is what Wells Fargo wanted me
to say. If you have recently received a

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letter from your mortgage company
regarding Lawrence County special

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assessments, note the special
assessments is included in your county

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bill and no action is needed. If you
have an escrow account, these will

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continue to be paid by your mortgage
company. I said I'd put that in there,

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but mortgage company is going out and
Wells Fargo is going [clears throat]

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because I don't want to put mortgage
company and then anybody that has a loan

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sees that then they start
>> more magnify.

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» Ironically, I did have a couple people
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» No, they come and
>> Yeah. So, as of yesterday afternoon, it

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went on our web page that it was the
letters were sent there. We also have it

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on our phones messages if anybody calls
on that that they can disregard the

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letters but if they did get a refund
they should check directly with Will

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Fargo because I have no control over
that because I guess some they were

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cleaning up some of their escrow and
some of the monies did need to go back

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on that

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» yeah will you use that sort of as your
script when you call those 40ome people

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back uh
>> yeah I'll add yes that's what I'm going

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to tell them that their letters were
sitting there and if you have any

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questions You know, I'll just say, you
know, like I've been telling everybody,

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we
we have to give out taxes. I would never

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deny anybody the right for taxes. And I,
you know, up until two years ago, Wells

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Fargo got my my taxes monthly. They they
get a thing and then they hire Corore

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Logic to take care of it. Corore Logic
every month. Matter of fact, I should be

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getting an email form today requesting
my files and so they have all updated

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once in case something gets paid off or
something like that.

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» Bless you. Um, but I I will say Corlogic
was awesome. They they really had to

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work on this and get to the bottom of it
because I could not get anybody to

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answer.

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So, Deb, did Wells Fargo indicate how
many of these letters went out? So, we

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have some idea what percentage of the 46
people represented. I have no idea

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because I I have no idea who has escros.
But the last time that I had an escro

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payment just strictly from Wells Fargo
was around 600,000. So I just kind of

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figured, you know, that's for a half,
you know, if somebody's, you know, what

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the average taxes are. So I'm guessing
probably be around 300 people just in

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Orange County. That's
>> just curious about

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reply because
>> there's another X percentage that

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haven't said anything yet or
>> or don't or don't pay attention and just

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pitch it, you know. So like me, I
probably got if I got some probably

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throw it away.
>> Yeah. So hopefully

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» this is taken care of.
>> Commissioner

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be interesting. They don't have time to
fix their

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» wonder if they'll have time to reprimand
us.

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» Yeah.
>> Yeah.

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» Go ahead.
>> Yeah. You said something that reminded

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me uh about paying property taxes
online. I think you talked about it with

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the commission a couple weeks ago. Is it
Beacon? Is that what it was?

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» Well, I was looking at one credit card
company that we could go on. they could

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pay online, but then Brett also
mentioned that we could get Beacon,

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which at least they could just go and
see what their taxes are and Brett's

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been working really hard on that. And
Greg has been helping. We just Brett

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just um called me yesterday and talked.
Um it sounds like you can can get our

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property taxes online for people to look
at. It's gonna I think Brett said and

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she's going to come down and talk to you
guys probably in a meeting or two. It's

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going to be like $4,400 a onetime fee to
get it all set up to get the property

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taxes on there. And she's asking I had
some monies to help. And I'm trying to

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sweep out 2,000 out of my budget. I hope
I can, but this is something that really

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should be on Beacon. It it'll cut down
phone calls for my office and um EQ EQ.

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I mean, director of equalizations
already once they got Beacon has cut

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down a lot of phone calls for them with
people just looking at property

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descriptions. And this will help esroies
and um realtors and stuff to be able to

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go on and look and see what the taxes
are.

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» Beacon is the GIS program that's online.
It's

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» they just can't pay on it, but they can
go and see what their base taxes are

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» on the parcel and find it
>> and see everything there. So, I think

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it's a good thing. I know there's still,
I think, a few little tweaks to get out,

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but we're moving in the right direction
to try to get out the dark ages.

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» Mr. Will Beacon be in addition to that
other vendor you talked about, or does

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Beacon that
>> um the other v if I go with beacon then

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I won't go with the other we'll just put
those and see if this works for now um

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because they can still go through forte
and pay the other vendor I was looking

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at was going to host our taxes online
and then they could pay taxes through

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them through us the only thing is is I
would have had to do some changes

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possibly with credit card company at the
counter and Forte is working really good

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I mean we use about six million through
them a

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So with Beacon, I could get online and
see what my property tax is owed is, but

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then I would go to Forte to pay. So it's
a two-step process. Is that fair? Yes.

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» And the other vendor would have been
done both of them, but you accomplish

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the same thing by having
>> and and their price, their um credit

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card fees were a little more higher than
what I can offer right now. And I know

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on the beacon part, if I understand it
right, you go on right now and you you

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pay a monthly fee or a daily fee to go
look at um director of equalizations

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information and stuff, but we're going
to have get it. So the property taxes

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are free to look at. I don't think we
should be charging for somebody to go

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look for property taxes. So that part's
going there.

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And then the other good thing is when we
um when I give my uh statistics that we

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did last month on on stuff, I said I was
going to mail out 22 letters of

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delinquent taxes. I mailed out those 22
letters and it come to 228,68.91

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and so far we have collected $14732707
out of that. So that went really good.

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And then I have another really
delinquent property about 240,000 and

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they're working with the bank. So
hopefully within the next month we'll

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get that taken care of. So we're getting
our delinquency down again.

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» What did you get? Was it 49 vehicle
titers over the weekend? [clears throat]

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» Yesterday I had to check in 44 titles
and get them. I was here till 6 last

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night finally getting them in and then
out of those 44 unfortunately five of

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them have to go back because they didn't
do the paperwork right. That that's the

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frustrating thing is they send all this
stuff in. They don't [clears throat]

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sign the titles. They don't have all the
some of the stuff we can call and they

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can email. When they don't sign the
titles, we don't have signed power of

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attorneys or something. We have we we
send them back certified because I don't

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I want to be able to track those titles.
So, we've got five of them I got to send

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back today because they didn't do the
proper

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[clears throat]
>> and you you log all of those in and

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track everything. So, if a customer
calls, you can tell them when you got

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it. We have too many coming in.
>> I have them on an Excel spreadsheet that

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we put in by name, date, and vehicle and
if we're missing anything. Um, and then

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if it's in the work by the date or if
it's in the bank file or or the hold

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file.
>> Yeah.

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I can just imagine what's going to be
like next Tuesday. How many we're gonna

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have you go? Well, because we're on
Saturday and then Monday and then we'll

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get a big stack on Tuesday. Monday's
always yesterday.

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» Thank you for going above and beyond
what you really need to do there. Making

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46 phone calls. That's
>> my project today is to get that done

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because back and forth with Core Logic
before we finally got everything

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straightened out yesterday and stuff. I
didn't have time to call everybody, but

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I'll start calling them today and let
them know and if you guys get calls or

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if they have any questions, want to ask
have more specifics on it. Um, but it

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sounds like everything should be just
back the way it was or that the letter

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should have went out.
[clears throat]

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» And I have my best to help.
>> Okay. Thank you.

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» All right. See you guys.

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» Um, we bring Jeff down. We got a special
board of adjustment.

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» Yeah. You want to do the
Senate Bill 96 resolution.

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» Okay, we'll jump ahead on the agenda
here and uh we passed the ordinance

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creating a county sales tax last
meeting, but we did not uh decide when

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to offer relief. So, the two choices are
we can offer uh relief on the 2027

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payable taxes using an estimated return
gain from our county sales tax or we

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could collect the full amount of the
sales tax and offer relief from 2028.

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» Yes, I would I would just start I'll
make a motion to do half the estimated

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receipts.
>> So, the estimated receipts are using 66

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million. Is that what I'm going to use
what the most recent we get at the end

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of the year.
>> Okay.

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» So,
>> or where or whenever the reporting time

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happens to be.
>> So, then you would you would apply half

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of that then property tax estimated.
>> I think that's a conservative number. I

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don't think it's an appropriate I don't
think, you know, I think I think it's uh

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I think it's responsible. We're getting
the relief out sooner than later.

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Um but we're also not being Without
being too optimistic, I think it's a

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good conservative method, a good way to
go.

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» If we went with that plan, then the
following year we would catch up the

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other half with the full amount.
>> That's a discussion for the board at

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that time.
See what your experience is.

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» Um, yeah, I think that, you know,
everything would go into the property

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tax relief fund. So, I don't know that
that's a choice.

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But we have to issue all of the uh
receipts from property tax.

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» Well, so then it'd be realized. I mean,
we're collecting it. We need to do what

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we're supposed to be doing with it.
>> Yes.

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» Yeah. You've heard me voice that I
wanted to collect it for the first year.

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» Hey, but I'm comfortable with this
conservative case.

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» That was a motion.
>> Yeah. Sitting out there.

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» I'll second that.
Okay. And then move further discussion.

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» Yes. Moved by Flanigan, seconded by
Tisdale to issue half of the amount of

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the estimated
revenue from the county sales tax as

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relief in 2027
credit to the taxes for 2027 payable. I

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think my only question is who's making
the call on estimated? I don't know if

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Department of Revenue is going to
estimate those

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continue to do that or not.
And it's my understanding that they keep

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track what the city sending to them, but
they have no idea exactly exact dollar

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amount
send.

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» Correct. They do not collect that data.
So then the following year we would use

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the half we didn't use theoretically
and then half of the following year so

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pay it off. We always have a half as a
buffer

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that I'm not sure I imagine there's
going to be some tweaking by the

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legislature to figure out how that puts
is put together. I think the only entity

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we have to determine the estimated
revenue is going to be the department of

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revenue, the only official one.
But again, that's I suspect there's

415
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:11,599
going to be there's going to have to be
something down the road legislatively

416
00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:18,400
that either allows the county
specifically to design to to to

417
00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:21,280
design an ordinance that's appropriate
for the county or they're going to have

418
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:25,760
to figure out how to do a blank one
statewide through legislation. But we're

419
00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:29,280
we're not at a point where we know those
answers still.

420
00:37:27,200 --> 00:37:33,280
» So it's we're still best guessing what
we

421
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:36,960
» I'm speaking out loud. So um so I don't
know if we know what the estimate is.

422
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:40,960
Maybe we could get something. Maybe not.
But alternatively, would you consider

423
00:37:38,720 --> 00:37:44,400
stating a specific amount? I'm just
going to throw out a random amount of a

424
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:49,119
million dollars uh to start off with.
And you could always amend that next

425
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:52,640
year um uh as revenues came in. Does
that make sense? you would apply uh a

426
00:37:51,119 --> 00:37:58,000
million dollars as it's collected to
property tax relief to start off with.

427
00:37:54,800 --> 00:38:01,920
Maybe that's too low and and then if it
comes in better, you could always apply

428
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:05,040
more next year or in a relevant time
frame.

429
00:38:04,079 --> 00:38:09,040
» Yes.
>> Why why why a specific number instead of

430
00:38:08,079 --> 00:38:13,760
a percentage?
>> Because we don't know what the

431
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:19,839
percentage is of what I don't know
50% of the total is going to be that

432
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:25,040
another problem. So they the let the
department of revenue came up with their

433
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:30,160
estimated uh revenue for sales tax when
they were working on the bill. Um I

434
00:38:27,359 --> 00:38:33,520
contacted the department of revenue
July maybe it was just to see if there

435
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:37,920
was an updated number because I
suspected that that was the 2024 number

436
00:38:36,240 --> 00:38:43,040
that they were working on when they did
the 20 or 25 number when they're doing

437
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:48,960
the 26 legislative session. I tried to
get an updated number and that she told

438
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:53,520
me that um it was six million just a
little over six million prior the old

439
00:38:51,520 --> 00:38:56,400
number was a little below six million. I
got the feeling that they weren't really

440
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,320
tracking that that they were just
throwing that number out.

441
00:38:57,722 --> 00:39:01,599
[clears throat]
So that's my concern about the motion is

442
00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:07,520
that we don't I don't know that we're
going to get an official number

443
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:11,760
nor do I have a lot of confidence in
that number uh strictly because they do

444
00:39:09,839 --> 00:39:15,839
track the municipalities but they don't
track uh the number outside of the

445
00:39:14,240 --> 00:39:20,320
counties and the way that they arrived
at that estimate for the number outside

446
00:39:18,240 --> 00:39:25,920
the counties was that you know you got
this whole pool of money uh that they

447
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:29,119
collect for for sales tax for the state
and they knew what the municipality

448
00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:33,280
ities were. So they subtracted out all
the municipalities and that left a

449
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:36,400
smaller pile of money that they just
divided on a per capita basis for the

450
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:40,960
state and [clears throat] applied those
to each county on a per capita basis. So

451
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:44,960
obviously some counties generate a lot
more sales tax outside of the

452
00:39:42,560 --> 00:39:49,440
municipalities than others. So I don't
know how accurate that number is going

453
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:54,200
to be.
>> Now that we've had this discussion, I'm

454
00:39:56,079 --> 00:40:01,400
entertained the motion or I guess

455
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:08,920
I'd be more comfortable waiting till
2028 to disperse funds.

456
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:18,079
» But yeah, the motion is to
utilize to give half of the new

457
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:21,920
estimate.
We're not sure.

458
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:24,400
» The motion was to do 50% of the most
recent estimate by by the end of the

459
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:28,880
year.
>> Right now, the current estimate was six

460
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:34,320
60 something for the department of
revenue. Um, based on what you said, I

461
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:37,599
suspect if that number is Lawrence
County

462
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:40,000
and based on other counties, I suspect
that that number would be higher than

463
00:40:39,359 --> 00:40:42,960
that
>> because I think there's a lot more

464
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:46,599
revenue generated outside city limits
than most counties.

465
00:40:46,640 --> 00:40:53,359
» So, I'm very comfortable with my motion
as as a

466
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:57,520
even even if it's half of the the only
one we get. But you know by the end of

467
00:40:56,400 --> 00:41:01,040
the year they're going to be there gonna
be a lot of heat on department revenue

468
00:40:58,720 --> 00:41:05,440
to give this a number. Give us the
number then we know what it is

469
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:09,520
» because whether or not senate bill
intended to do that that's what they've

470
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:12,079
done is force to make make something.
>> Yes.

471
00:41:10,560 --> 00:41:17,280
» So just uh thinking [clears throat]
about time frames here. The treasur's

472
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:21,040
office tries to get those tax notices
out in February. When would they need

473
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:25,040
that date?
That's one question. And the other

474
00:41:22,319 --> 00:41:32,640
question is, is our software going to be
capable of issuing that as a credit

475
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:37,200
February 27?
>> We send the tax numbers out in January.

476
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:43,119
So, it's going to have to be before it's
going to have to be started on

477
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:46,560
immediately to have that ready to go.
>> Put that on there.

478
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:49,520
» And is that going to be possible? Is
that a great question?

479
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:54,160
» That would be a great question.
We never posed that particular question

480
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:57,400
to him.
6 million4.

481
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:02,359
» It's underneath your cursor.

482
00:42:04,319 --> 00:42:11,400
» And [clears throat] this data was from
when does it have a date?

483
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:11,400
» It says on the top um

484
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:22,040
» says county sales tax estimate updated
with pay 25.

485
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:22,040
» Yes, that's 25.

486
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:28,400
And that's what we've been given all
along.

487
00:42:26,720 --> 00:42:31,200
» So that number is the most current that
we have. And if that ends at the end of

488
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:33,760
the year, that's the most current we
have. Then it's half that number. That's

489
00:42:32,720 --> 00:42:36,760
what my motion says.
>> Yep.

490
00:42:40,079 --> 00:42:46,000
» We include that in the motion so it's
very clear. The estimate is 6 million

491
00:42:43,920 --> 00:42:47,440
94. That would be three million.
>> I think we need to have a number in

492
00:42:47,200 --> 00:42:52,319
that.
>> Yeah. An estimated $3 million would be

493
00:42:49,680 --> 00:42:56,560
applied.
>> Yeah. My only concern with this I'm not

494
00:42:54,160 --> 00:43:03,119
concerned about the amount. Uh I am
concerned about our capability to get

495
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:06,800
that listed on the tax post without
coordinating with with our IT

496
00:43:04,720 --> 00:43:12,160
department. I believe the discussion
when we first heard this was that

497
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:16,640
treasurer and IT and the auditor were
all prepared to do whichever whatever

498
00:43:14,640 --> 00:43:21,520
direction we decided to go. I may be
overspeaking but I

499
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:25,280
» that that's that's true. Although we
didn't talk about This does that make

500
00:43:23,760 --> 00:43:28,319
sense? This is a little bit different.
>> It could I don't think we actually

501
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:32,560
talked about the time frame. That's
that's all concerning.

502
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:38,400
» It is a proprietary system that Craig
designed. So I think um pretty confident

503
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:43,920
he can but I haven't asked this if this
throws any kind of a wrench. I suspect

504
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:47,079
not request back in here if he's Yeah,
he's around.

505
00:43:48,240 --> 00:43:54,760
» I think he'll probably tell us that that
he can do it, but I would like to have

506
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:54,760
Another

507
00:43:55,750 --> 00:43:57,770
[clears throat]

508
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:04,040
state I have dramatics.

509
00:44:19,359 --> 00:44:23,119
» Morning, Amber. Morning.
>> How are you?

510
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:26,119
» I'm here.
>> Good.

511
00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:39,000
Got more kids being kids. That's a good

512
00:44:54,160 --> 00:45:00,400
» We have a granddaughter being a little
bit overly.

513
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:05,640
» I could rather come back.
>> Oh, I don't know. We are still live.

514
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:16,119
» I can pass on what said.
>> Well, that's [laughter]

515
00:45:11,359 --> 00:45:16,119
aware they were going to hear this.

516
00:45:37,119 --> 00:45:42,640
Mr. Chairman, I think I restated the
proposition to Brandon or to Greg, but

517
00:45:41,359 --> 00:45:46,720
maybe somebody else would want to say to
make sure I frame the issue correctly.

518
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:52,400
» Okay. Yeah, we're just making sure that
if we were to offer a property tax

519
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:58,400
relief credit on the tax notices that
are going out in January 2027, that that

520
00:45:56,000 --> 00:46:02,720
we would have the software capability to
do that. That's a rather short time

521
00:46:00,319 --> 00:46:06,160
frame. We we have worked out the
mechanics of that how that would

522
00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:11,440
actually be implemented implemented in
software without going into a lot of

523
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:16,960
detail. Basically, you know, we figure
out the exact amounts per parcel and

524
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:22,960
then an offsetting entry would be put
into the aortionment table for each

525
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:26,400
property record that reduces the the
amount of tax on the appropriate line

526
00:46:24,560 --> 00:46:31,520
item. And then we would also be able to
use that to identify on the tax notice

527
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:35,920
that discount was applied because that's
required by the loan too. So I I I think

528
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:38,160
I feel confident that we're going to go
for this.

529
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:41,760
» So
would you be just reducing the amount of

530
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:45,119
total tax or would you be listing a
credit line item credit?

531
00:46:43,520 --> 00:46:48,880
» Well, it would be it would be a credit.
There would be a line

532
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:52,480
item that it would be a negative amount
in in the amount of the credit that

533
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:56,800
that's would be on the aortionate
record. So if we pull that back off and

534
00:46:55,040 --> 00:47:01,440
we also use that record to be able to
determine uh when we're on the back end

535
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:05,760
of it through through the the accounting
system how that will all so I feel

536
00:47:04,240 --> 00:47:12,079
confident.
>> Okay. Yeah. Thank you for that.

537
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:13,839
» Any further questions?
Send me something. I'm trying to get it

538
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:19,359
out.
>> Just unshare your screen and then they

539
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:24,000
can't see it. Then you can get it open.
There you go. Then you can have it open.

540
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:38,440
So this would be an example.
[clears throat]

541
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,440
Yes.

542
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:47,240
» Makes it much simpler.

543
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:55,920
» Is is this the school part is broken out
separately? Isn't it the application 245

544
00:47:54,240 --> 00:47:59,440
or is it just
>> Yeah.

545
00:47:57,280 --> 00:48:02,743
of it would be
fundy [clears throat]

546
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:14,280
if that's what they that's what they're
using.

547
00:48:10,240 --> 00:48:14,280
This one's a little bit different.

548
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:31,359
That's what it would be there.
or or if it's on.

549
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:35,280
» So, did you figure out half of what our
estimate is? The county sales tax

550
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:38,480
estimate was a little over six million.
What was the half? Just so you stay that

551
00:48:37,040 --> 00:48:42,800
in motion. Just a little over three
million. Just Yeah.

552
00:48:41,040 --> 00:48:44,960
» I mean, the number was right there.
>> It was. Yeah. I was just wondering if we

553
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:49,440
had a
>> 09433

554
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:54,640
or something. Just wanting to include
that in in the motion. That's not in the

555
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:57,640
motion.
3,47,172

556
00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:03,440
to be exact.
>> I mean, I was more comfortable with

557
00:49:01,680 --> 00:49:06,839
waiting for the actual, but I think this
is a good alternative.

558
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:15,599
» It it starts going forward.
>> Yeah.

559
00:49:11,599 --> 00:49:19,280
» The you know, it the the pain that that
the people that on the one side that

560
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:23,760
that are going to feel are going to feel
it right away. um the squeaky ones on

561
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:27,880
the other side are going to also see
something. So,

562
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:34,079
but we all we still we have reserves
there. I think I think it's I think it's

563
00:49:32,319 --> 00:49:38,079
an easy I don't think there's anything
to really think too much about. We we're

564
00:49:36,079 --> 00:49:44,880
going to generate think our county has
not generated much less if if any less

565
00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:51,079
sales taxes
and I don't foresee it shutting off

566
00:49:46,720 --> 00:49:51,079
anytime soon.

567
00:49:53,680 --> 00:49:59,520
and discussion.
Okay. [clears throat]

568
00:49:56,559 --> 00:50:05,680
Uh so the motion is that we will offer
tax property tax relief to owner

569
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:10,480
occupied starting in 2027 taxes
uh which would be the 26 payable taxes

570
00:50:07,599 --> 00:50:16,480
in 27. Uh the amount will be
approximately 3.147 million to be

571
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:21,680
divided equally among all of the
evaluation of the owner occupied.

572
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:28,880
All those in favor say I. I.
>> Any oppose? Nay. Motion carries.

573
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:32,079
Wants to change my motion.
>> Did I not get that right?

574
00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:33,599
» I didn't put a number. You added the
number to me.

575
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:39,000
» I was just
>> But that would be the number if that's

576
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:39,000
the most current estimate. Yes.

577
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:49,559
» I'm sorry. I thought I said half of the
half of the estimate which was 3.147.

578
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:49,559
That is

579
00:50:49,920 --> 00:50:59,880
» uh let's see. Um Jasmine's here.
>> Oh, Jasmine's here. Okay. Can uh we

580
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,880
leave her enough time if we do that.

581
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:08,640
» I don't think it will take long.
>> We need to be boarded for that.

582
00:51:06,720 --> 00:51:13,760
» Yes.
>> Let's move to recess.

583
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:17,359
» Yes. Does the county commission convene
as board?

584
00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:20,720
Been moved by Flatin, seconded by
Tisdale to recess the county commission

585
00:51:19,119 --> 00:51:24,400
and convene a board of adjustment. All
those in favor say I. Any oppose? Nay.

586
00:51:23,200 --> 00:51:29,200
I'll make a motion to approve the
minutes from last meeting.

587
00:51:26,640 --> 00:51:33,839
» Second move by Flanigan, second by Homer
to approve the minutes from the August

588
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:36,720
25th board of adjustment minutes. All
those in favor say I.

589
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:41,680
» I. Any oppose? Nay.
>> Okay.

590
00:51:39,520 --> 00:51:44,240
We are joined by we have those in the
packets.

591
00:51:43,359 --> 00:51:46,800
» I wasn't sure.
>> I think we I think we got them printed

592
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:49,800
before.
>> Yes.

593
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:55,599
» Thank you for joining us.
>> Yeah. Thank you for having me.

594
00:51:53,760 --> 00:52:01,040
» Are we doing the catchment project first
or you want the drain which

595
00:51:59,920 --> 00:52:05,280
» I'll probably just talk about it
together. They're very much related. Um

596
00:52:03,839 --> 00:52:10,079
» just real quick I want to give a quick
explanation. So, how these work? Um, we

597
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:15,359
did receive two different
um technical revisions, we'll call them.

598
00:52:13,119 --> 00:52:20,480
Um, one is for the false bottom lower
sump tile drain tile installation and

599
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:25,040
one is for the false bottom creek
catchment project. So, how it works when

600
00:52:22,720 --> 00:52:29,119
we get these um the state expects me to
have some sort of response to them. So,

601
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:32,240
normally what we've done is if Bruce and
I are comfortable with it, we'll go

602
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:35,200
ahead and do it. Like the the drain tile
one, we were pretty comfortable with it.

603
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:38,559
We would have probably just done it, but
because they had the other one, we

604
00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:42,720
decided to just put them both on the
agenda. Um, and then that way once we're

605
00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:46,640
done with this, we usually take the
minutes and we I will respond to the

606
00:52:45,119 --> 00:52:50,400
state. So, they have it in their record
that it was within. So, that's kind of

607
00:52:48,400 --> 00:52:53,920
why you see two different things, but
we'll respond together with the minutes

608
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:57,760
when we go through the process. So,
that's kind of just the general process

609
00:52:55,440 --> 00:53:00,079
today.
>> Thank you.

610
00:53:00,061 --> 00:53:03,920
[clears throat]
>> Um, so I'll kind of give you guys a

611
00:53:02,240 --> 00:53:07,680
little bit of background, but I was here
last year. We talked about the selenium

612
00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:13,599
treatment plant that we put in. Um it's
very successful. Um it's doing a good

613
00:53:10,160 --> 00:53:16,880
job. We uh have realized since we
started treating there's a portion of

614
00:53:15,359 --> 00:53:21,280
water that we aren't catching. So we
would like to try to catch that um for

615
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:25,680
further treatment and that's essentially
what both projects are supposed to do.

616
00:53:23,760 --> 00:53:30,000
So the first page of the handout just
kind of gives you an overview just kind

617
00:53:27,440 --> 00:53:35,520
of get you a little bit sorted. Um but
kind of you can see our our bottom

618
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:40,400
treatment center up above the dam face.
Um and then we've got an an upper sump

619
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:44,960
which is our main catchment and then we
had dug a lower sump in an effort to

620
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:48,960
catch more water. Um and that's right
near the pump house. So essentially what

621
00:53:46,800 --> 00:53:52,880
happens is the the lower sump catches
water, sends it to the upper sump, the

622
00:53:50,880 --> 00:53:57,520
upper sump sends it back down to the
pump house. Pump house pumps up uh we do

623
00:53:56,240 --> 00:54:01,599
have a holding pond which you can't see
here to the holding pond. holding pond

624
00:53:59,599 --> 00:54:05,839
gravity feeds to the treatment facility
and then we gravity feed and send it

625
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:10,880
back to the creek after it's treated. So
that's how it works now. Um but we've

626
00:54:09,119 --> 00:54:15,599
realized within the creek itself there
is a portion of creek um upstream that

627
00:54:13,599 --> 00:54:20,720
is still flowing that we're unable to
catch. And so what we'd like to do is

628
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:26,720
two things. So, for one, we would like
to install drain tile along um the

629
00:54:24,319 --> 00:54:30,319
length of our
lower sump to sort of spread it out to

630
00:54:28,640 --> 00:54:34,079
try to catch some of that underground
water that's flowing through. So, what

631
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:39,520
that would do is it would catch that
underground water, funnel it to the

632
00:54:36,240 --> 00:54:45,920
sump, and treat it from there. Um and
then the second thing that we wanted to

633
00:54:41,359 --> 00:54:51,520
do is actually put a a catchment um in
the creek. So the increte catchment is a

634
00:54:48,880 --> 00:54:55,520
little bit more highly regulated to be
perfectly honest. We're working with the

635
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:59,040
Army Corps of Engineers um and with both
projects we're working with the Danner

636
00:54:57,440 --> 00:55:06,880
um the mines group of the Danner but
also um the surface water division,

637
00:55:02,319 --> 00:55:10,720
water rights division um [clears throat]
and groundwater actually. So I've been

638
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:14,640
working with all of those groups and
we're working through it. Um, and

639
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:20,040
essentially this is kind of the plan
forward to get more of that water to be

640
00:55:16,319 --> 00:55:20,040
able to treat it for

641
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:27,040
» any questions that was.
>> Yeah, this is all at the toe of the

642
00:55:24,079 --> 00:55:30,160
historic um
facility.

643
00:55:27,680 --> 00:55:34,400
» Yep. The the selenium actually comes
from historical tailings from V

644
00:55:31,839 --> 00:55:37,200
Mountain. Thank you, Tim. Um, and so,
you know, we inherited that property

645
00:55:36,319 --> 00:55:42,319
pretty many [clears throat] years ago
and so now we're just trying to clean it

646
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:44,880
up and and make it right.
So the catchment pond is in the creek.

647
00:55:44,720 --> 00:55:47,760
It
>> is in the creek.

648
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:51,119
» So the creek's just going to flow in and
allow the

649
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:53,680
» to settle out is essentially what you're
trying to do.

650
00:55:51,680 --> 00:55:58,880
» Well, actually it's gonna it's going to
funnel the water into one area and then

651
00:55:55,680 --> 00:56:05,520
it's going to get pumped up to the pump.
>> Yep. And so um it's designed it's not

652
00:56:02,960 --> 00:56:10,319
huge. Uh I want to say it's about 40 by
80. Um so it's not huge. That area is

653
00:56:07,839 --> 00:56:14,559
fairly small footprint anyway. But what
it's designed to do is sort of um dig

654
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:18,799
that metal out to allow all of the water
to funnel in there. And then we've got

655
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:23,440
um
sort of a wall um built in. I guess it's

656
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:27,200
sheet pilings is what it's called. And
so they'll drill sheet pilings in to

657
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:32,799
create that wall [clears throat] and so
the water can funnel up and then from

658
00:56:29,359 --> 00:56:36,720
there we'll catch it with it up.
We did double check this area. It's not

659
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:42,079
actually in the flood plane. It's a it's
not a named flood plane area. So even

660
00:56:39,680 --> 00:56:45,040
though there's water there, so they
don't have to go through anything with

661
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:46,400
like our flood plane development
process.

662
00:56:45,839 --> 00:56:49,359
» Okay.
>> It's not a name.

663
00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:54,720
» Is it not a live stream? [clears throat]
>> Um it's is it always live? I mean I

664
00:56:52,640 --> 00:56:56,880
would say sometimes. Yeah. It's not an
active.

665
00:56:55,200 --> 00:57:02,000
» It used to be seasonal and right now
we're seeing it pretty consistently. Um

666
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:05,119
right now we're pumping up about I think
going through the bot lane is at the

667
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:10,319
bottom towards the end and I think we're
getting like 10 15 gallons a minute.

668
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:14,079
It's pretty low right now.
At least you just I think this is all

669
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:19,520
within the permit area as well, right?
>> It is. It's all within the permit

670
00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:23,440
boundary. Um we did have one discussion
with the Forest Service, I guess, and we

671
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:28,079
did get a letter and I think that
>> that should have been in your stuff. Um

672
00:57:25,920 --> 00:57:32,079
the Forest Service basically has said
they don't ever sign the waivers like

673
00:57:29,839 --> 00:57:36,319
the 500 foot buffer waivers. We've never
had them sign them and they kind of

674
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:40,319
said, "Well, we don't really want to
start now." So, but they recognized it.

675
00:57:38,720 --> 00:57:44,880
They know that it's within their 500
foot of the Forest Service boundary and

676
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:48,880
they were fine with it. So, we did
double check with them just to make sure

677
00:57:46,480 --> 00:57:51,760
because we have to prove that we made
contact and

678
00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:54,760
» we did notice.
>> Yep.

679
00:57:56,160 --> 00:58:02,160
» And we actually he did kind of send an
email. It basically said we prefer not

680
00:58:00,319 --> 00:58:06,640
to sign it. Like, okay, I'll just put
that on the record.

681
00:58:04,640 --> 00:58:13,040
» Sorry, Mr.
um they're required by federal law to to

682
00:58:11,359 --> 00:58:18,000
process selenium and that's a relatively
new 20 years I think they changed by a

683
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:22,640
factor of 10 the tolerance on selenium
because about the time they built the

684
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:28,480
one in Gville or down there by central
city that plant um they're just trying

685
00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:32,559
to collect more water to to handle
what's a naturally occurring substance

686
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:36,000
under the sort of ground is to collect
that I don't I don't see any issue at

687
00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:39,520
all they're trying to trying make
improve on what they're already doing

688
00:58:37,839 --> 00:58:42,480
» the design change.
>> Do we need a motion? Is there any

689
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:47,040
accept? I'll make a motion.
>> Usually you just Yeah, you accept the

690
00:58:44,559 --> 00:58:51,359
report and then that I will send the
notice and the minutes to DNR for the

691
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:55,920
technical revision. That's normally what
you guys think. I just um

692
00:58:54,319 --> 00:59:01,839
» you found it right
>> to support the technical revision on the

693
00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:06,319
bottom for some drain tile installation
and then [clears throat]

694
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:09,799
also the revision on the false bottom
creek catch.

695
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:13,640
» That was my motion.

696
00:59:16,559 --> 00:59:23,920
I'll second. It's been moved by seconded
by uh commer to accept the report for

697
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:27,839
the both catchment and also the drain
tile.

698
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:30,480
» Any other questions or discussion? All
those in favor say I.

699
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:32,480
» Any oppose? Nay.
>> Okay.

700
00:59:31,839 --> 00:59:38,119
» Thank you.
>> Thank you. I will get it sent soon as we

701
00:59:34,799 --> 00:59:38,119
get the minutes.

702
00:59:40,960 --> 00:59:43,960
» Always

703
00:59:45,119 --> 00:59:52,200
we have a public hearing at 9:00
meeting.

704
00:59:57,040 --> 01:00:02,720
» We might as well just uh let's go back
into the county commission and we'll

705
01:00:00,079 --> 01:00:05,720
take a five minute break. I'll move to
recess.

706
01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:13,040
Second and moved by Flanigan, seconded
by Tisdale to recess as board of

707
01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:17,440
adjustment reconvene as county
commission. All those in favor say I.

708
01:00:15,040 --> 01:00:22,319
Oppose. Okay. Okay. We'll take a 4m
minute break and pick back up.

709
01:00:20,160 --> 01:00:24,960
» You saw your
>> She said make sure you add it to

710
01:00:23,680 --> 01:00:27,440
Thursday's packet.
>> Okay.

711
01:00:25,599 --> 01:00:31,319
» That's what it was from.
>> Okay. Wherever you

712
01:04:58,319 --> 01:05:06,559
Thank you. All right, we will come back
to order and this is the time and place

713
01:05:03,839 --> 01:05:11,880
for a public meeting concerning the
fiveyear county highway and bridge plan.

714
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:20,440
» Mr. Bay, would you like to fill us in on
what we're doing? Okay. Well,

715
01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:29,920
state requirement that we have to uh
submit a five-year road and bridge plan

716
01:05:26,319 --> 01:05:37,079
and this is uh to be eligible for
any grants uh namely the big grant for

717
01:05:33,760 --> 01:05:37,079
bridge improvement.

718
01:05:37,680 --> 01:05:43,359
A couple of the requirements for the
five-year plan is that we have, you

719
01:05:40,720 --> 01:05:50,240
know, the county has to implement a
wheel tax, which we have, and also adopt

720
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:56,720
of the five-year road and bridge
improvement plan. This plan is exactly

721
01:05:54,640 --> 01:06:02,079
what it says. It's merely a plan. It's
not a written in stone. It's not a

722
01:05:59,359 --> 01:06:05,440
requirement. It's a budgeting tool. It
is also a tool to put in order

723
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:11,280
[clears throat]
what structures or what projects we're

724
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:16,559
gonna we're going to do in the in a in a
time frame. If we're going to get any

725
01:06:14,079 --> 01:06:22,445
kind of funding through the state or
federal government, we have to have this

726
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:25,599
in place and it also has to be adopted
[clears throat]

727
01:06:23,039 --> 01:06:30,960
by by the commission. We'll be putting
uh once we're done here, we'll uh put it

728
01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:36,720
together into their format information.
the information provided.

729
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:41,680
We have signatures of people attended,
the five-year plan, and any kind of

730
01:06:38,720 --> 01:06:48,079
input that any any people in the public
want to submit. We have to have that

731
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:54,799
turned in to the state by October the
15th. We also are required to notify our

732
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:59,880
our township people, which we have in
attendance today. And uh

733
01:07:01,359 --> 01:07:09,440
you note that they were also present.
With that being said, they are excited.

734
01:07:07,839 --> 01:07:15,839
We're just going to we'll go through the
five-year plan. Again, I want to clarify

735
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:21,200
that when you see these dollar amounts
listed, these are these are estimates

736
01:07:18,640 --> 01:07:25,520
for projects. And as the further out in
the five years go, [clears throat] those

737
01:07:23,200 --> 01:07:30,720
estimates are they're going to become
less accurate. It's a little hard to to

738
01:07:28,799 --> 01:07:35,280
determine the cost of things five years
down the road. All of these numbers are

739
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:38,960
I'll tell you right now, they're on the
high end and then [clears throat]

740
01:07:36,480 --> 01:07:45,359
there's a percentage added for every
year going into the five years. So

741
01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:50,640
to start with in 2027 on our 5-year
plan, we have the asphalt mill and

742
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:55,039
overlay the the last section of the Nemo
Road.

743
01:07:52,160 --> 01:08:01,359
We also have roughly 10 miles of chip
seal. We have a little more chip seal on

744
01:07:58,079 --> 01:08:06,240
the in 27 than we normally have, but we
also are trying to get caught back up.

745
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:10,640
We had that little problem. We took some
chip seal off for budget reasons and

746
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:14,400
then we, if you remember, our chip seal
people didn't show up last year. So,

747
01:08:12,960 --> 01:08:19,359
we're going to try to get back on track
with our chip seal. And then again, this

748
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:24,560
provided the budget allows.
This is not a budget. This is just to

749
01:08:21,199 --> 01:08:28,080
help us with our budget. So, if it's on
this list, doesn't necessarily mean we

750
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:34,319
have to do it because the budget still
dictates what we're going to do in

751
01:08:30,719 --> 01:08:41,359
coming year. Um, [clears throat] we also
have route and crack seal 3.63 miles of

752
01:08:38,239 --> 01:08:46,319
the Nemo Road to get ahead of a chip
seal. route and crack seal one mile of

753
01:08:43,759 --> 01:08:51,920
the Kirk City road
going in line with the section that we

754
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:57,120
just route and crack sealed and that
will get that whole road ready to chip

755
01:08:54,080 --> 01:09:04,480
seal. Um as always we have on here to
gravel 20.5 miles of road fluoride 120

756
01:09:00,880 --> 01:09:08,239
miles of road striping 85 miles of road
and the replacement and repairs of

757
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:12,640
culprits and small bridges. We also have
on here and this is what the state's

758
01:09:09,839 --> 01:09:19,199
more interested And that would be our
bridge construction. Um this will for 27

759
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:25,847
we're we have grants in place for the
two Nemo structures and those will be

760
01:09:22,239 --> 01:09:29,920
those will be constructed in 2027.
[clears throat] We also have on here the

761
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:33,600
uh
the bridge on the Whitewood service

762
01:09:31,839 --> 01:09:39,440
road. That's a local federal grant
that's in place. Um I believe that

763
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:44,719
bridge is again it it got delayed again.
We're now hoping that in November it

764
01:09:41,839 --> 01:09:49,440
goes to a bid ready. So I guess we'll
see.

765
01:09:46,719 --> 01:09:56,480
Um and also on our 27 plan would be
applied for a construction grant uh for

766
01:09:53,199 --> 01:10:00,080
the west highway 14.
In 28 we have an asphalt mill and

767
01:09:58,719 --> 01:10:05,760
overlay and this would be for the
section of road that on the Nemo road

768
01:10:02,239 --> 01:10:12,080
that we left out because of
base stabilization issues. Um, so that's

769
01:10:08,880 --> 01:10:18,159
on there to be taken care of in 2028 if
needed.

770
01:10:13,920 --> 01:10:24,800
We are also got um roughly 14 miles of
chip seal, I'm sorry, 18 miles of chip

771
01:10:21,360 --> 01:10:29,440
seal on for 28 uh route and crack seal
another section of the Nemo Road and get

772
01:10:26,960 --> 01:10:37,600
it ready for chip seal. Route and crack
seal 4.558 miles of the St. Non road and

773
01:10:33,920 --> 01:10:42,400
have it ready for a chip seal. Again,
the graveling of 20.5 miles of road,

774
01:10:40,000 --> 01:10:48,400
chloriting of 121 miles road, striping
of 85 miles of pavement, replacing a

775
01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:52,480
pair of small structures, and then to
build

776
01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:58,640
build a new bridge on the on West 14
pending the grant if we get a grant in

777
01:10:57,280 --> 01:11:03,679
the [clears throat] replacement of small
structure. This would be a part of the

778
01:11:00,480 --> 01:11:09,040
RA program. uh in 2029 that wraith
program sunsets and we have to either uh

779
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:14,239
use the money for a for a project that
qualifies or we have to give the money

780
01:11:11,679 --> 01:11:18,000
back to the state. I believe our last
amount we have is 117,000 in that fund.

781
01:11:17,440 --> 01:11:21,679
I believe
>> it's a little bit more than that.

782
01:11:19,040 --> 01:11:27,679
» A little bit more than that. So
>> in that area,

783
01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:32,480
» we are eligible to use that fund on
county secondary roads only for small

784
01:11:30,159 --> 01:11:36,000
structures only.
We don't have very many that qualify,

785
01:11:34,239 --> 01:11:39,840
but we have a couple and we have
identified these two projects and that

786
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:45,840
would be the
a culvert on the Kirk Road that would be

787
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:50,480
on the the Louis end of the Kirk Road.
Um we have a

788
01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:55,360
small structure there that's it's pretty
narrow and the bottom is also rusting

789
01:11:52,239 --> 01:11:59,119
out. We also have down on the Bulgar
Creek Road, we have a low water crossing

790
01:11:57,360 --> 01:12:02,400
where there's some cracking and
[clears throat]

791
01:11:59,760 --> 01:12:06,640
some uh delamination of the concrete
approach. So those would be the two

792
01:12:04,640 --> 01:12:12,080
projects we've identified that qualify
for the rate fund and that is in our

793
01:12:09,440 --> 01:12:18,640
2028, giving us a little time if we have
to move them to 29, we can still use

794
01:12:16,080 --> 01:12:24,880
those funds.
And then also on 28 we're we would like

795
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:31,600
to apply for a grant the PE grant for uh
the camp comfort structure.

796
01:12:28,320 --> 01:12:35,440
Now I will note that we are in our uh in
our bridge inventory. We're down to only

797
01:12:33,760 --> 01:12:40,640
eight structures that are in poor
condition and four of them are currently

798
01:12:38,080 --> 01:12:44,640
in the process of being replaced. That
would be the two Nemo bridges, the

799
01:12:42,320 --> 01:12:50,320
Elmore bridge and the uh Whitewood
Service Road bridge. Uh the they're both

800
01:12:47,840 --> 01:12:54,640
federal high those Elmore and Whitewood
Surf Short are federal local federal

801
01:12:52,080 --> 01:12:58,320
highway. Those are in place. The work
just hasn't been done. Those four

802
01:12:56,159 --> 01:13:02,640
bridges are funded. They're in the
program and they'll that'll get us down

803
01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:07,760
to four four bridges that are in poor
poor condition which are are reflected

804
01:13:05,040 --> 01:13:12,960
in this 5-year plan.
So in 2029 [clears throat]

805
01:13:09,920 --> 01:13:18,080
we have an asphalt mill overlay of the
upper valley road asphalt mill and

806
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:24,480
overlay of west highway 14 for the one
mile within city limits

807
01:13:21,040 --> 01:13:28,800
chip seal 4.58 miles of stage chip seal
3.63 63 miles of the Nemo Road. Route

808
01:13:26,960 --> 01:13:36,719
crack seal another section of the Nemo
Road. route and crack seal 3.58 miles of

809
01:13:32,480 --> 01:13:43,600
acorn ridge again regravel 20.5 miles of
gravel road night 121.5 miles of gravel

810
01:13:40,640 --> 01:13:47,920
road striping of 85 miles of pavement
the replacement and repairs of small

811
01:13:45,280 --> 01:13:55,440
bridges and struct structures and then
apply for the PE grant for 41 239 259

812
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:59,920
which is a the last of our box beam
bridges and that's down by the benchmark

813
01:13:57,199 --> 01:13:59,920
road on the Nemo

814
01:14:02,320 --> 01:14:09,040
Some of these bridges are also pending
our our uh inspection that was conducted

815
01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:12,520
this year. We don't have that yet. We
don't have the results.

816
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:21,280
And also apply for a big construction
grant on that camp for one that we the

817
01:14:18,400 --> 01:14:25,199
previous year that grant application. So
that takes us to 20 2030 and again we're

818
01:14:23,679 --> 01:14:29,280
getting a little further out so things
are starting to change. You'll notice

819
01:14:26,640 --> 01:14:34,560
the dollar amounts get less and less and
the projects become less and less. So um

820
01:14:32,080 --> 01:14:40,719
chip seal 3.63 miles of the Nemo road,
chip seal and fog seal 3.58 miles of a

821
01:14:37,280 --> 01:14:45,920
camper ridge road and crack seal 3.63
miles of the Nemo road route track seal

822
01:14:43,120 --> 01:14:50,239
another section of 4.8 8 miles of the
binocular

823
01:14:47,600 --> 01:14:55,679
regravel 20 m of gravel road mag
fluoride 121 miles of gravel road

824
01:14:53,040 --> 01:15:01,040
striping 85 miles of pavement replace
and repair culverts and small bridges

825
01:14:58,719 --> 01:15:04,480
preservation of the the deck on the
yellow creek road. This is a bridge that

826
01:15:03,831 --> 01:15:08,880
[clears throat]
it is actually one of our bridges that's

827
01:15:06,159 --> 01:15:15,920
in poor condition but it does not it
does not meet any requirement for a

828
01:15:10,719 --> 01:15:21,199
grant. It's It's in too poor shape
and too old to qualify for a

829
01:15:18,480 --> 01:15:25,600
preservation grant, but it's not load
posted and it's not in bad enough

830
01:15:22,960 --> 01:15:31,600
condition to warrant a replacement. It's
in the middle right now. Again, we'll

831
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:36,800
see how our our our bridge inspection
has come in this year. We did in house

832
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:41,440
last year. We did kind of our poor man's
overlay. We did our own preservation on

833
01:15:38,960 --> 01:15:46,320
it. So far, holding [clears throat] up
well. I'm kind of excited to see how

834
01:15:44,080 --> 01:15:50,719
that turns out with the uh the
inspection to see what they thought of

835
01:15:47,920 --> 01:15:57,360
it, but I'll let you know. But it is
also on our on our plan to uh to do some

836
01:15:55,040 --> 01:16:01,360
sort of preservation on that bridge.
It's a lot of traffic. It's a lot of

837
01:15:58,800 --> 01:16:05,120
heavy traffic.
we [clears throat] can get that

838
01:16:03,440 --> 01:16:08,960
if we can get that repaired before it
fails or because before it gets to a

839
01:16:07,199 --> 01:16:13,440
point where it needs replaced, I think
that would be a win for everybody in the

840
01:16:10,719 --> 01:16:18,800
county. So, uh it is in our five-year
plan. So, if funding does change and

841
01:16:15,920 --> 01:16:25,120
becomes eligible, we'll it will be
ready.

842
01:16:20,480 --> 01:16:29,679
Um we also have in 30 uh
u

843
01:16:27,199 --> 01:16:33,920
to build and construct the bridge on the
camp comfort pending the grant that we

844
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:40,320
applied for the previous year and apply
for a construction grant for for that

845
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:45,760
box beam bridge on the Nemo
and that takes us down to 2031 and that

846
01:16:42,400 --> 01:16:51,920
is to pave 1.5 miles of the Mland Road
from Christensen Drive to Forest Park.

847
01:16:49,199 --> 01:16:58,880
Pave 1.44 miles of Hill Street and North
Titan Road. Pave 1.6 miles of Mcwigan

848
01:16:55,040 --> 01:17:03,920
Road. Chip seal 3.63 miles of the Ne
Road. Chip seal and boil 4.8 miles of

849
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:09,360
the Knock Canyon Road. Proud and crack
seal 9.5 miles of road. We don't have

850
01:17:06,800 --> 01:17:14,239
the roads identified at this time. So
it'll be just on our pavement condition

851
01:17:11,920 --> 01:17:20,159
list as how those will fall out in the
future.

852
01:17:17,040 --> 01:17:25,760
Regravel 20.5 miles of road. Manclorate
125 or 121.5

853
01:17:23,040 --> 01:17:30,080
miles of gravel road strike pavement
mark 85 miles of pavement. Replace and

854
01:17:28,320 --> 01:17:36,000
repair culverts on small bridges and
build new bridge 41, 239, 259 on the new

855
01:17:33,040 --> 01:17:42,080
road pending a big present or a big
replacement.

856
01:17:38,239 --> 01:17:47,600
And that is the end of the fiveyear
plan. I have also included for your

857
01:17:44,719 --> 01:17:52,239
review our gravel plan. We have changed
quite a little on our gravel plan where

858
01:17:49,280 --> 01:17:59,040
we are to the point where we are our
10-year gravel plan is

859
01:17:55,679 --> 01:18:03,199
I would say not as necessary.
We are now to the point our gravel roads

860
01:18:00,800 --> 01:18:08,000
are in a condition where we can do these
on a as needed basis.

861
01:18:06,480 --> 01:18:11,600
I think we're to the point where we
don't have to do 4 in lifts on our

862
01:18:09,920 --> 01:18:15,199
gravel roads. We have some roads that
are going to always require a 4-in lift

863
01:18:13,679 --> 01:18:18,560
because the amount of traffic and the
amount of snow plowing they get, but a

864
01:18:17,120 --> 01:18:23,840
lot of our gravel roads are to the point
where we're going to be able to do 2 in

865
01:18:21,920 --> 01:18:28,640
really reduce the amount of gravel. So,
in our five-year plan where we list that

866
01:18:26,320 --> 01:18:33,040
20 miles, that's going to be there's
going to be a lot of adjustments to that

867
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:39,360
coming, a lot of savings in our gravel
program. I do have though our our tenure

868
01:18:36,880 --> 01:18:44,800
our dead our tenure gravel plan. just
it's a good tool to have to we know when

869
01:18:42,000 --> 01:18:49,040
they were last traveled. We can keep an
assessment of their condition and then

870
01:18:46,480 --> 01:18:54,080
we'll go forward back. From now on we're
doing our gravel

871
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:59,840
more on a a needed basis as opposed to
just it's their turn. So I know yeah

872
01:18:57,760 --> 01:19:03,199
just question
there was some minimum maintenance roads

873
01:19:02,159 --> 01:19:07,360
on here. Yep.
>> And so those are just kind of as needed

874
01:19:05,280 --> 01:19:12,080
I assume. Absolutely needed.
>> Yep. Mr. Ala Jar John, you were I think

875
01:19:10,320 --> 01:19:16,320
you're working with South Dakota State
and they're looking at your your gra

876
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:17,600
you're an example of a coming at your
gravel roads. Is that right?

877
01:19:17,320 --> 01:19:21,520
[clears throat]
>> That's correct.

878
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:24,400
» And um are they are they impressed with
how your roads

879
01:19:22,480 --> 01:19:29,280
» Well, they're using uh they're using the
Mland road. They're they're uh doing

880
01:19:27,144 --> 01:19:34,239
[clears throat] a gravel quality study
on that. They came and take course

881
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:37,600
samples twice now. um South Dakota State
University with the South Dakota

882
01:19:36,159 --> 01:19:44,000
Department of Transportation. They're
trying to come up with a uh

883
01:19:40,719 --> 01:19:49,520
a quarry gravel specification for road
surfacing which doesn't exist. And uh

884
01:19:47,199 --> 01:19:55,840
they're using our roads because we have
such an abundance of quarry gravel and

885
01:19:52,239 --> 01:20:02,640
we exclusively use quarry nearly
exclusively use quarry gravel and uh

886
01:19:59,679 --> 01:20:09,440
yeah they are impressed. That road has
been holding up well. They've came done

887
01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:15,199
several tests, durometer testing,
poor samples, and [clears throat]

888
01:20:12,159 --> 01:20:20,560
and ride quality testing. We'll see how
that plays out. It's a two-year test, a

889
01:20:17,120 --> 01:20:26,400
two-year study.
>> Didn't you say part of that's because of

890
01:20:22,239 --> 01:20:31,120
the chloride, magnesium chloride using
our case? For sure. We our extens our

891
01:20:29,360 --> 01:20:35,040
extensive use of chloride is something
that they're very interested in. Not

892
01:20:33,120 --> 01:20:42,640
many counties in the state use chloride
to the extent we I know it gets a lot of

893
01:20:38,880 --> 01:20:47,840
negative and positive feedback, but uh
the uh the inconveniences are certainly

894
01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:52,239
outweighed by the performance of the of
those roads.

895
01:20:50,719 --> 01:20:55,520
I just ask one question just to follow
up on Corey gravel. Could you explain

896
01:20:53,840 --> 01:21:02,239
what corey gravel is versus other kinds
of gravel? So pory gravel is you have

897
01:20:59,440 --> 01:21:07,120
gravel pits aluvial type gravel glacial
type gravel that's just dug up

898
01:21:05,199 --> 01:21:12,560
uh screened
on occasion crushed to to get it to a

899
01:21:10,239 --> 01:21:19,600
size determined and it's mixed with the
the natural binder that's in that that

900
01:21:15,199 --> 01:21:24,960
type of soil or gravel is it's ledge
rock that is drilled blasted and crushed

901
01:21:22,800 --> 01:21:30,640
and the crusher fines are what become
the binder in those materials. Um, it

902
01:21:28,080 --> 01:21:37,120
they have they both have a their
different uses, but as far as a a road

903
01:21:33,679 --> 01:21:42,239
surfacing, quarry gravel is not normally
used. It's uh it's been considered over

904
01:21:40,480 --> 01:21:48,000
the years a [clears throat] softer type
material. It it is also considered a

905
01:21:44,960 --> 01:21:54,159
type of material that um
it doesn't have binders, so it's just

906
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:59,679
loose gravel, loose rock to see. Well,
Lawrence County found a way to to make

907
01:21:57,520 --> 01:22:05,199
or gravel work for surface material. It
does require the use of chloride, but it

908
01:22:02,719 --> 01:22:11,120
takes a cementation process and it
becomes a hard surface that stays in

909
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:16,000
place. Um I I believe some of the
majority of our livesto travel is harder

910
01:22:14,080 --> 01:22:20,560
than a lot in the [clears throat] state.
But um this study that we're that the

911
01:22:18,639 --> 01:22:25,040
state is doing and that South Dakota
State University is doing is taking in

912
01:22:22,800 --> 01:22:30,159
account is working with granite
materials, quartzite materials and

913
01:22:27,760 --> 01:22:34,159
limestone. So I think it's in the
eastern northeastern part of the state

914
01:22:32,239 --> 01:22:40,480
they're using I believe it's the port
site in the south eastern part of the

915
01:22:36,480 --> 01:22:47,360
state they're using the uh the uh
I guess the granite

916
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:50,960
we we're the test for the limestone
>> I was just going to go back to the the

917
01:22:49,040 --> 01:22:56,719
way you know fiveyear plan has worked
it's it's I wouldn't say it's exactly a

918
01:22:54,000 --> 01:23:01,199
wish list but that's kind of what it is
what people starting stuff which has

919
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:07,520
come up in the past. Paving of Mland
Paving and paving those bins. That's an

920
01:23:05,360 --> 01:23:13,199
ideal. We'd like to get to that, but it
might be 2031. It might be 2039. It

921
01:23:11,120 --> 01:23:17,120
might be It just depends on how things
could be sooner, could be later. That's

922
01:23:15,280 --> 01:23:20,800
the further down that list, the less
>> well accurate that is.

923
01:23:19,199 --> 01:23:27,040
» I don't I just Is that true?
>> That is true. And I

924
01:23:23,760 --> 01:23:32,400
just for clarification and transparency,
I moved those two projects to the end of

925
01:23:29,600 --> 01:23:37,440
the list. They they've been up further
and they we just move them back. It all

926
01:23:35,679 --> 01:23:42,080
depends on funding. Just because it's on
this list, like you just described it as

927
01:23:39,120 --> 01:23:46,239
a wish list, does not mean it gets to it
happens. It's on the list and it's on

928
01:23:44,400 --> 01:23:51,520
the list for the reason that if if
funding becomes available through the

929
01:23:48,560 --> 01:23:57,120
state and we try to get a gr for any of
these projects, it has to be on this

930
01:23:54,080 --> 01:24:02,800
list. So for the [clears throat]
majority, it's bridges. That's their

931
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:06,159
main focus. But if there is any paving
type of grants available, any kind of

932
01:24:05,523 --> 01:24:09,920
[clears throat]
the safe streets for all type grants,

933
01:24:08,400 --> 01:24:14,719
which is a federal grant, you have to
have it in some sort of a

934
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:18,719
five-year plan or master transportation
plan. Some of these came from our master

935
01:24:16,880 --> 01:24:23,679
transportation plan that we just did a
couple years ago. So, it has to be in

936
01:24:20,960 --> 01:24:28,480
our our our plan or or it's not
eligible. It can be updated at any time,

937
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:33,360
but if there's anything in there that
you'd like to add or delete,

938
01:24:31,199 --> 01:24:37,840
if it's simple, just tell me and we'll
do it. But, uh, at this time, if it's

939
01:24:35,520 --> 01:24:41,120
not in this plan, we're not eligible for
the for the programs.

940
01:24:39,760 --> 01:24:44,960
» Mr. Homer,
>> I think this is great information. Um,

941
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:49,280
particularly when you start talking
about the tons that are required to do

942
01:24:46,639 --> 01:24:53,199
this type of work and the associated
with that. I was wondering those

943
01:24:51,760 --> 01:24:56,320
tonnages, you're not including the
tonnage of gravel that's going into the

944
01:24:54,880 --> 01:24:58,560
pavement [clears throat] projects or
anything like that.

945
01:24:57,440 --> 01:25:02,400
» That's just gravel.
>> Yeah, that's just gravel. So I I mean if

946
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:05,920
I was to look at that again, I think
that would be an important one so people

947
01:25:04,159 --> 01:25:11,840
understand the amount of material that
goes into you know 31 the miles that are

948
01:25:09,679 --> 01:25:15,840
going out for paving repavement or
whatever because that's material needs

949
01:25:14,159 --> 01:25:19,440
in the county.
>> Great job.

950
01:25:18,080 --> 01:25:20,880
Okay. Do you have a question?
>> No. [clears throat]

951
01:25:20,239 --> 01:25:25,600
» Okay.
>> I have also included our five-year

952
01:25:23,679 --> 01:25:31,199
equipment plan based on roughly a
$400,000

953
01:25:27,280 --> 01:25:37,440
per year uh budget for equipment and we
have changed that a little bit of that.

954
01:25:34,639 --> 01:25:42,880
I know 27 for our budget we had we've
moved the truck up because we had

955
01:25:39,280 --> 01:25:47,679
recently lost a truck in an accident.
Excuse me. And then we also switched

956
01:25:44,960 --> 01:25:53,199
around a mini excavator with an owner.
We don't own a mini excavator at this

957
01:25:49,840 --> 01:25:58,159
time, but we see the value in owning
mini excavator. We've been renting

958
01:25:54,960 --> 01:26:02,000
excavators a lot lately. A mini would be
a little bit smaller than what we've

959
01:25:59,760 --> 01:26:07,280
been renting, but I I believe it would
be very beneficial for us to own that.

960
01:26:05,120 --> 01:26:12,239
Um the rest of our fiveyear equipment
plan is is

961
01:26:09,760 --> 01:26:15,920
see what's there. Our
equipment's good, but it's

962
01:26:14,559 --> 01:26:21,360
[clears throat] it's best to keep
proactive and keep our equipment stay on

963
01:26:18,880 --> 01:26:26,800
the warranty program.
Um, I don't have anything else in this

964
01:26:23,920 --> 01:26:33,840
5-year plan. It's pretty dry material,
but uh but it's necessary to to present

965
01:26:31,120 --> 01:26:39,440
it. I would be looking for a motion to
have the chairman sign this. Um, you

966
01:26:37,760 --> 01:26:43,380
guys have anything you would like to
change?

967
01:26:40,560 --> 01:26:47,679
I can certainly wait and change
[clears throat] it. If you'd like to do

968
01:26:44,960 --> 01:26:51,760
a you'd like something changed and then
review it or if you're fine with the way

969
01:26:49,760 --> 01:26:54,920
it is, this is how I will submit it to
the state.

970
01:26:58,639 --> 01:27:08,320
Second
all everybody

971
01:27:05,040 --> 01:27:11,760
motion and comr second to approve the
fiveyear plan as presented and and

972
01:27:10,159 --> 01:27:17,199
authorize. [clears throat]
Any other questions? All those in favor

973
01:27:14,000 --> 01:27:22,280
say I. Any oppose? Nay. Okay. Motion
carries. Thank you, John.

974
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:22,280
» Thank you.

975
01:27:36,719 --> 01:27:40,040
public hearing.

976
01:27:42,000 --> 01:27:47,440
» Yeah, we're probably just have to take
another recess here for a few minutes.

977
01:27:45,120 --> 01:27:51,320
We have a public hearing at 9:30 that we
have to be on time for.

978
01:33:42,639 --> 01:33:44,639
All

979
01:33:50,400 --> 01:33:56,000
right, it is 9:30. We'll come back to
order. It is 9:30 [clears throat] and

980
01:33:54,239 --> 01:34:05,280
time. This is the time and place for a
public hearing for the 2027 budget.

981
01:34:01,360 --> 01:34:10,320
Do you have any presentation on this? I
can just say that they did receive the

982
01:34:07,840 --> 01:34:16,800
um centrally assessed property from the
state have entered it. Um the values um

983
01:34:14,880 --> 01:34:25,000
from the
centrally assessed property for um

984
01:34:19,679 --> 01:34:25,000
overall um went down 1,34,915

985
01:34:25,160 --> 01:34:33,239
[clears throat] and the um just the fire
protection district went down $510,687.

986
01:34:33,600 --> 01:34:44,960
So the budget that I um published in the
paper um had a mill of 2.833

987
01:34:41,600 --> 01:34:49,840
entering in um this preliminarily um
moved it to 2.834.

988
01:34:47,920 --> 01:34:53,600
So that was the difference by the
decrease of the centrally

989
01:34:51,380 --> 01:34:59,040
[clears throat] assessed property. So
other than that that is um all I have to

990
01:34:56,480 --> 01:35:03,040
report. Everything else is um stays the
same.

991
01:35:00,159 --> 01:35:06,639
» Okay. Uh being this is a public hearing,
we invite any public comment that you

992
01:35:05,199 --> 01:35:10,320
have. If you would like to make a
comment on the budget and we just ask

993
01:35:08,400 --> 01:35:13,760
that you stand and state your name and
address [clears throat] or so we capture

994
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:18,320
the minutes. Anybody in the gallery
here?

995
01:35:16,719 --> 01:35:23,159
Is anybody online that would have to
make a comment on the 2027 budget?

996
01:35:25,600 --> 01:35:30,400
Seeing none, I will close the public
hearing.

997
01:35:33,360 --> 01:35:40,800
Notice that we had no comments yet. It's
>> interesting that we uh know the budget

998
01:35:39,280 --> 01:35:46,400
is what really affects the property
taxes, but we've not had any comments

999
01:35:43,600 --> 01:35:47,679
concerns about the whole process as we
>> Mr. Chair.

1000
01:35:47,199 --> 01:35:51,199
» Yes.
>> Um so the idea would be to take no

1001
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:54,880
action today other than public hearing
and then present it to you at your next

1002
01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:58,480
meeting I think on the 22nd for ultimate
approval.

1003
01:35:56,861 --> 01:36:02,800
[clears throat] keeping track at home.
>> Thank you all very much.

1004
01:36:00,000 --> 01:36:07,040
» I will also add that we are doing this
today uh on the first Tuesday of

1005
01:36:05,120 --> 01:36:11,679
September to comply with state statute
for public hearings for [clears throat]

1006
01:36:10,320 --> 01:36:15,159
which is why we had to move the meeting
to a different time.

1007
01:36:15,360 --> 01:36:21,280
All right, with that we can move back
into board of adjustment.

1008
01:36:18,400 --> 01:36:26,800
» Motion to recess as county commission
and reconvene as adjustment.

1009
01:36:25,040 --> 01:36:30,320
» Moved by Flanigan, seconded by Tisdale
to recess as county commission and

1010
01:36:28,719 --> 01:36:33,199
reconvene as board of adjustment. All
those in favor say I.

1011
01:36:32,080 --> 01:36:36,239
» Oppose nay.
>> Okay.

1012
01:36:34,480 --> 01:36:42,239
» Uh Jeff, are you setting this up?
>> I am. Good morning. Um we're going to do

1013
01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:48,159
the annual review for CP 498, which is
the Larsson pit. I have Bill and Brian

1014
01:36:45,360 --> 01:36:54,159
from Cole here to uh answer any
questions or whatever you might have.

1015
01:36:51,920 --> 01:36:59,920
Um, as you aware, we've had a couple
complaints. We had one on the 3rd of

1016
01:36:56,960 --> 01:37:03,600
August. It was a kind of wind came up
and they couldn't get it shut down. I

1017
01:37:02,239 --> 01:37:08,880
sent you all the information, the
response patrol and how that worked. Um,

1018
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:13,679
we had another one later in the month
that was more of a uh question. wanted

1019
01:37:11,760 --> 01:37:17,600
to know how how the trucks were weighed
because they notic they weren't using

1020
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:22,639
scale at the time and so once we found
out they were doing the bucket weighing

1021
01:37:20,719 --> 01:37:29,520
um that seemed to answer the question
and took care of that. Um we did get two

1022
01:37:26,320 --> 01:37:36,320
more uh complaints yesterday. This is
from Sunday and I sent those to you uh

1023
01:37:32,960 --> 01:37:41,600
when that sudden outburst of wind came
up that 245. It was National Weather

1024
01:37:39,440 --> 01:37:46,480
Service measured it at 52 miles an hour
downtown Spearfish.

1025
01:37:43,760 --> 01:37:50,480
Um, of course the wind blew real fast
and real hard. Didn't last long. I did

1026
01:37:48,960 --> 01:37:54,239
forward to them guys and I forward to
you guys for that. Other than that, we

1027
01:37:53,040 --> 01:37:59,360
believe they're following all the
conditions. Um, what one of the

1028
01:37:57,199 --> 01:38:02,880
conditions the final ones is that for
the first year they're allowed to do

1029
01:38:00,960 --> 01:38:10,560
150,000
K. Um the commission has the option to

1030
01:38:06,080 --> 01:38:16,378
raise that if they wish up to 250k
according to the conditions. So with

1031
01:38:13,440 --> 01:38:21,920
that I'll turn it over to uh
[clears throat] Bill and Brian

1032
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:27,679
Brian Martin. I'm from 685 Denver valley
roads Wyoming

1033
01:38:24,960 --> 01:38:34,880
here to answer any questions or concerns
that you have. the uh we ceased

1034
01:38:29,600 --> 01:38:41,600
operations at the pit on last Thursday.
We wanted a drone fly. We knew we were

1035
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:46,639
getting close, so we flew with a drone.
Then we took the tonnages that we had

1036
01:38:44,159 --> 01:38:52,560
run across the scale and come up with
around 141,000 per 100 15,000.

1037
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:59,679
So we just thought, well, that'd be a
good stopping point. So on Friday, we're

1038
01:38:57,440 --> 01:39:03,159
pull [clears throat] starts pulling
conveyors out

1039
01:39:04,000 --> 01:39:14,639
two the dust complaints come from
basically you really quick wind events

1040
01:39:10,400 --> 01:39:19,920
they were running the first time
they were running and front must come

1041
01:39:17,280 --> 01:39:25,600
through kick a bunch of dust off of the
come off the crusher also and off the

1042
01:39:22,239 --> 01:39:30,639
large base course pile and when you're
running a crusher You can't just turn

1043
01:39:27,920 --> 01:39:35,600
the key off. That's the cycleer. All our
crushers are plugged up with lock. Takes

1044
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:40,080
a long time to clean them out. You have
to clean them up by hand and it's

1045
01:39:36,880 --> 01:39:43,679
dangerous. So, it takes a while to get
those pressures clean and then they shut

1046
01:39:41,600 --> 01:39:49,040
off. I was notified honestly by one of
your commissioners said it's getting

1047
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:53,760
dusty here. So, I called the foreman and
he said we shut off. He said we just got

1048
01:39:51,840 --> 01:40:00,560
a sight.
So then they went and got water and

1049
01:39:57,199 --> 01:40:07,840
watered the pile.
If you look at at our reports, I put in

1050
01:40:04,080 --> 01:40:11,280
a wage report for the men and we work
410.

1051
01:40:09,679 --> 01:40:16,560
Uh that's what we've worked forever.
There's some comments on Facebook that

1052
01:40:13,679 --> 01:40:20,800
it's taken us longer to I think I told
them it's going to take two to three

1053
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:28,159
months. taking us the whole three
because we're running 410s and you look

1054
01:40:23,920 --> 01:40:31,679
at our time about 25% of our run time is
stopped because of the environmental

1055
01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:37,920
events.
So we effectively shut down that is

1056
01:40:34,400 --> 01:40:40,560
shown on our
report that we sent from you that we

1057
01:40:39,360 --> 01:40:48,480
got. [clears throat]
So we've hauled a little over Yeah.

1058
01:40:44,080 --> 01:40:54,239
Right. So we hauled over 400,000 gallons
of water for best suppression out there.

1059
01:40:51,520 --> 01:41:00,760
We have
put

1060
01:40:56,159 --> 01:41:00,760
calcium chloride on the hall roads.

1061
01:41:02,880 --> 01:41:10,800
Put uh seismographs.
They contract blasting

1062
01:41:08,719 --> 01:41:16,800
blasting company that does it. They put
seismographs out and the only meeting

1063
01:41:14,239 --> 01:41:21,520
that you get are within
2,000 [clears throat] ft of blast. You

1064
01:41:19,600 --> 01:41:25,560
get out to around 3,000 ft. It doesn't
even trigger the size of grass.

1065
01:41:25,679 --> 01:41:33,280
We did
requiring us requires us to do the

1066
01:41:30,915 --> 01:41:38,639
[clears throat] sampling.
Bill's the smart one of the two of us.

1067
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:43,360
He's the environmental. So anyway, he uh
MSR required has started requiring us to

1068
01:41:41,199 --> 01:41:46,880
do
[clears throat]

1069
01:41:43,920 --> 01:41:54,159
surveys on on the silica exposure, the
crushing operations and it shows in here

1070
01:41:50,000 --> 01:42:00,320
that there is no silica in the dust
at this point. So it's highlighted in

1071
01:41:56,880 --> 01:42:04,719
your packets. So you hear comments it's
an independent agency that reports to we

1072
01:42:02,880 --> 01:42:07,719
have to give the report to MH so it is
legit

1073
01:42:08,560 --> 01:42:11,719
will not

1074
01:42:14,960 --> 01:42:20,560
» did I understand that Friday this last
Friday when you shut down that you guys

1075
01:42:18,159 --> 01:42:24,960
had watered the big uh the big pile
before you left but and you did try to

1076
01:42:23,679 --> 01:42:31,040
suppress it with water.
>> Yeah. and it evaporates and we aren't

1077
01:42:27,360 --> 01:42:35,040
working now Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
last Friday we did.

1078
01:42:33,679 --> 01:42:40,560
So Saturday and Sunday there's no one at
the pit and next year you know now I

1079
01:42:39,280 --> 01:42:46,080
invite you guys to come out and see it
but we've got a hit there now that's

1080
01:42:42,880 --> 01:42:50,480
establish it's on one side is 40 ft deep
the other side is 30 ft or so and it's

1081
01:42:48,639 --> 01:42:55,360
probably about an acre in size maybe a
little bit longer bigger but our

1082
01:42:52,800 --> 01:43:03,280
intention is next time to put the the
base course andor the

1083
01:42:59,119 --> 01:43:09,360
fine pile in the hole because the South
is what was the bar

1084
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:14,239
this year starting from scratch. Had to
go somewhere.

1085
01:43:12,159 --> 01:43:16,639
» Brian, you mentioned the error sampling
report. I didn't have it up. Is this

1086
01:43:15,600 --> 01:43:21,280
what you were referring to?
>> Yes. And if you go down here, it's

1087
01:43:18,320 --> 01:43:27,560
highlighted. And this is kind of a kind
of nice know that all your I would

1088
01:43:24,560 --> 01:43:27,560
expect.

1089
01:43:29,199 --> 01:43:39,080
I know that was a big thing at the
previous year. So that so all the

1090
01:43:34,400 --> 01:43:39,080
neighbors can eas

1091
01:43:48,467 --> 01:43:50,487
[clears throat]

1092
01:44:02,239 --> 01:44:07,840
Well, you said it takes a while to cycle
through the crushing equipment. How long

1093
01:44:06,560 --> 01:44:11,600
does it take to cycle through when you
shut?

1094
01:44:08,239 --> 01:44:16,880
» I would say honestly 15 20 minutes.
Yeah, because you got you got a big pop

1095
01:44:13,520 --> 01:44:21,360
of SP just slowly feeds and then it goes
from one pressure to the next pressure

1096
01:44:18,639 --> 01:44:25,080
next and each point you know it takes a
long time that last

1097
01:44:26,719 --> 01:44:34,800
» I was up there the day that she wind
what I'd call it up there I was raking

1098
01:44:31,440 --> 01:44:38,639
hay and then my hay disappeared and and
I I think you and I did visit but I went

1099
01:44:37,119 --> 01:44:42,639
over there and I thought it was about 10
minutes it took to unload everything and

1100
01:44:40,480 --> 01:44:46,320
shut down and
uh

1101
01:44:44,400 --> 01:44:51,199
I do own the property right next to it
and I haven't had any dust on my place.

1102
01:44:48,880 --> 01:44:56,400
So
I think all in all you guys have done an

1103
01:44:52,960 --> 01:44:59,862
excellent job. Russia flag. I'm
>> one of the first jobs I had up at up at

1104
01:44:58,400 --> 01:45:02,080
Homestake was sitting in the
[clears throat] in the in the head

1105
01:45:00,880 --> 01:45:04,639
frame. And I can tell you what, when
those things shut off and you got to

1106
01:45:03,280 --> 01:45:09,600
clean it by hand, it is the most
miserable thing you can do. Whether it's

1107
01:45:07,760 --> 01:45:13,920
20 below in the winter time or it's 90
degrees in the summertime, it's not

1108
01:45:11,520 --> 01:45:18,800
above.
>> That stuff can freeze in the pocket.

1109
01:45:17,119 --> 01:45:21,800
» You might have to blast it out then.
>> Yeah.

1110
01:45:24,159 --> 01:45:29,880
when you break the rock that the jaw
doesn't swing in

1111
01:45:34,560 --> 01:45:41,639
that's the view from chairman from I
think the cedar subdivision see

1112
01:45:42,400 --> 01:45:45,560
the view

1113
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:52,800
we're out there yesterday west
>> yeah which file do you propose to down

1114
01:45:52,080 --> 01:45:55,520
in the pit.
>> The big white one.

1115
01:45:54,239 --> 01:45:57,280
» The base course, right, Brian?
>> Yeah, the base course. The big one you

1116
01:45:56,960 --> 01:46:00,159
see.
>> That's the only one I've ever seen any

1117
01:45:59,119 --> 01:46:06,719
dust
>> above the pit itself.

1118
01:46:04,480 --> 01:46:10,040
» We have nowhere else to put. So, it's on
probably the worst.

1119
01:46:11,440 --> 01:46:15,080
You put it in the hole.

1120
01:46:15,600 --> 01:46:22,480
» That's true.
>> And there would be enough space there

1121
01:46:18,000 --> 01:46:26,880
even if we raise the limits.
Mr. Um, just a note, this is one of the

1122
01:46:24,960 --> 01:46:30,320
subdivision roads in the vicinity there.
We're driving on going the speed limit

1123
01:46:28,239 --> 01:46:35,199
and that's how dusty that was. I tried
to get out and casually

1124
01:46:32,639 --> 01:46:38,239
time I could get out the situation. The
roads are point is the roads are dusty

1125
01:46:36,960 --> 01:46:43,960
too far. It's been very dry.
>> It is.

1126
01:46:39,520 --> 01:46:43,960
» Yeah, that's not the county road.

1127
01:46:49,840 --> 01:46:53,840
» Any other questions for Mr.

1128
01:46:55,440 --> 01:46:59,000
Okay, thank you.

1129
01:47:08,480 --> 01:47:14,880
» Unless you want to change the tonnage.
>> Well, I Mr. Chairman,

1130
01:47:13,280 --> 01:47:19,360
» I thought we already established that
when we set all this up that the

1131
01:47:16,480 --> 01:47:26,960
following year they go to 250. I thought
that was already established. condition

1132
01:47:21,920 --> 01:47:31,520
said I have it actually yes and no um it
says maximum of 150k tons mined in the

1133
01:47:29,360 --> 01:47:35,920
first year with no significant issues
and then we'll be allowed to increase to

1134
01:47:33,119 --> 01:47:44,639
250 tons the second year and thereafter
subject to all the conditions thereafter

1135
01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:49,920
so as long as you prove it as a
a favorable review has no significant

1136
01:47:46,800 --> 01:47:52,480
issues so that's correct depends on how
significant issues

1137
01:47:55,040 --> 01:48:02,159
We've not had any formal written
complaints or

1138
01:47:59,760 --> 01:48:03,840
» we've had three four well
>> four

1139
01:48:02,800 --> 01:48:06,159
» signed by people.
>> Yes. Yes.

1140
01:48:05,040 --> 01:48:09,600
» Yeah. I was unaware of that.
>> If I may. The first one was a

1141
01:48:07,760 --> 01:48:12,400
significant wind event. The next one was
from a week or two ago questioning

1142
01:48:10,960 --> 01:48:15,840
whether the scale was being used. And
then there was the two over the weekend.

1143
01:48:14,000 --> 01:48:19,159
So I think there's four total this past
weekend. Yes.

1144
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:32,000
But how do you deal for those wind those
both of those wind events where

1145
01:48:28,400 --> 01:48:35,480
I mean they just come up? Nobody can
plan for that.

1146
01:48:36,080 --> 01:48:42,639
Did the dust reach the road? I think
that's the question that I have. Did the

1147
01:48:40,560 --> 01:48:49,920
dust stay on the on the Larsson property
or did it see the boundaries? The first

1148
01:48:46,080 --> 01:48:54,480
wind I was up there, the dust did not
reach the road and as far as I know, it

1149
01:48:52,880 --> 01:48:57,840
was all right there on the Larsson
property

1150
01:48:56,000 --> 01:49:03,679
that I'm aware of. I didn't get any over
on my side. I was busy chasing.

1151
01:49:01,119 --> 01:49:07,600
» I don't I don't have the one of the uh
complaints from this weekend available

1152
01:49:05,760 --> 01:49:10,400
right at hand, but I think the complaint
was it was on the road, I think, wasn't

1153
01:49:09,360 --> 01:49:15,199
it? I think
>> what was stated yet? I think I can pull

1154
01:49:13,280 --> 01:49:18,400
it up, but I don't have it right there.
>> I think my Amazon package was in the

1155
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:23,000
neighbor's house and that's 300 feet
from my driveway where it was sitting.

1156
01:49:23,040 --> 01:49:29,840
» It just everything just disappeared.
>> Mr. Chairman, we were out there. I think

1157
01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:34,639
as Brian confirmed, they did try to
water I think on Friday before they

1158
01:49:31,679 --> 01:49:41,280
left, but it's dry and windy.
>> 24% humidity that water stay

1159
01:49:39,360 --> 01:49:45,760
» and we have we have followed up on
complaint and they've been very

1160
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:49,679
responsive each and every time.
>> Commissioner F, I I guess my my opinion

1161
01:49:48,320 --> 01:49:53,440
would be to leave it again for another
year, but

1162
01:49:51,440 --> 01:49:58,440
the board
that's take no action at this time, but

1163
01:50:00,719 --> 01:50:05,151
I'm just one of five.
[clears throat]

1164
01:50:05,840 --> 01:50:11,920
I guess we kind of led him to believe
that the following year would be two

1165
01:50:09,520 --> 01:50:15,560
pips and go.
That's what I recall.

1166
01:50:18,719 --> 01:50:27,199
And by them putting the
road base in the pit next year is going

1167
01:50:23,840 --> 01:50:31,840
to alleviate a lot of problems
that people seem to think that's there.

1168
01:50:29,920 --> 01:50:35,920
» I know you got your road base going in
the pit. What was the other product

1169
01:50:33,440 --> 01:50:42,159
going in the pit? Possibly. So there's a
there's down over the hill next to the

1170
01:50:38,239 --> 01:50:49,400
trees there's a pressure
it's actually

1171
01:50:45,520 --> 01:50:49,400
yeah we can get it in

1172
01:50:51,199 --> 01:50:57,560
the material coming off the transfer
belts things like that

1173
01:50:59,040 --> 01:51:01,280
I know

1174
01:51:04,960 --> 01:51:14,000
You wouldn't have a problem increasing
it maybe 200 if

1175
01:51:10,320 --> 01:51:17,480
guaranteed that that pile won't be down
in the pit.

1176
01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:25,040
» Check.
>> Does this picture help to everyone to

1177
01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:29,440
depict for one of these what's going on?
Understand

1178
01:51:26,560 --> 01:51:33,880
that one.
of our drone flight.

1179
01:51:34,177 --> 01:51:36,197
[clears throat]

1180
01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:49,719
Do you know what if it was in one of
these packets? This is what I have.

1181
01:51:49,897 --> 01:51:51,917
[clears throat]

1182
01:52:01,119 --> 01:52:05,000
cover like that.

1183
01:52:07,119 --> 01:52:15,880
The
sales chart

1184
01:52:12,480 --> 01:52:15,880
number on it.

1185
01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:32,599
production report.
>> It's after that. [clears throat]

1186
01:52:29,040 --> 01:52:32,599
» It's not this one.

1187
01:52:32,719 --> 01:52:36,280
» The production report.

1188
01:52:44,639 --> 01:52:51,523
It has sales activity from location as
the first.

1189
01:52:49,503 --> 01:52:51,523
[clears throat]

1190
01:52:54,560 --> 01:52:58,360
It's not in that.

1191
01:53:10,480 --> 01:53:13,480
online.

1192
01:53:16,880 --> 01:53:23,400
» It's in the drive. It's right here.
>> Okay, let me get it. Okay, I got to go

1193
01:53:20,159 --> 01:53:23,400
to a different

1194
01:53:39,520 --> 01:53:44,920
after the blast
information.

1195
01:53:50,159 --> 01:53:54,599
So when it says it's lar

1196
01:53:58,239 --> 01:54:07,040
I'm sorry
>> I hope that helps

1197
01:54:01,920 --> 01:54:11,760
picture maybe another one understand
that's the drone play is that there

1198
01:54:09,119 --> 01:54:15,599
» from Friday or this weekend
>> you want me to show you what

1199
01:54:13,520 --> 01:54:19,679
» can you just kind of explain picture
>> okay

1200
01:54:17,040 --> 01:54:23,880
» so this is the cut we're doing
This is daylighted in the

1201
01:54:25,119 --> 01:54:33,520
rain. This right here is like 40 ft deep
here all the way through here.

1202
01:54:31,029 --> 01:54:40,719
[clears throat] This is 30 ft. So this
pile is pile that is the pile that's in

1203
01:54:39,040 --> 01:54:48,080
right now. It's really windy. It's not
that long. This we would put over here

1204
01:54:44,560 --> 01:54:52,800
up against the base.
in the hole. We turn all this around.

1205
01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:57,520
This will all be gone. We're currently,
this is a shot that is all ready to go.

1206
01:54:55,360 --> 01:55:02,800
So, we're progressing like this. So, we
turn everything around like this. This

1207
01:55:00,480 --> 01:55:07,000
in the hole
our stuff

1208
01:55:07,920 --> 01:55:15,679
goes up and across the top, right?
>> Yeah. here.

1209
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:19,040
» So, Brian, do you um move that pile
actually in there or does that pile get

1210
01:55:17,360 --> 01:55:22,320
sold and then when you as you crush
more, it stays in the fit?

1211
01:55:20,639 --> 01:55:25,040
» Yeah, this gets sold.
>> Okay.

1212
01:55:22,880 --> 01:55:26,320
» Once I'm not moving in here, I don't
have enough room.

1213
01:55:25,840 --> 01:55:29,360
» Yeah. Yeah.
>> I got to get rid of these piles.

1214
01:55:28,080 --> 01:55:33,760
» So, everybody understands?
>> Yeah. And then once they're gone, then

1215
01:55:31,440 --> 01:55:41,840
I'll come back in here and then reset my
hole everything

1216
01:55:36,880 --> 01:55:47,280
in the hole. And maybe this
I think it's this one. Oh, that's one of

1217
01:55:45,360 --> 01:55:49,119
these smaller piles.
>> I think it's your littlest one, isn't

1218
01:55:48,719 --> 01:55:53,440
it?
>> Yeah, it might be that one. That's 38.

1219
01:55:51,520 --> 01:55:56,599
Might
that one,

1220
01:55:57,280 --> 01:56:03,199
but right now it's kind of covered
because this pile here is huge. This

1221
01:56:01,760 --> 01:56:05,920
pile here.
>> You don't get any dust off of those back

1222
01:56:05,280 --> 01:56:10,239
there.
>> Yeah,

1223
01:56:07,520 --> 01:56:13,599
it kind of screens it.
That's the

1224
01:56:13,210 --> 01:56:18,800
[clears throat]
>> This was always the plan, wasn't it? To

1225
01:56:16,000 --> 01:56:22,639
move into the hole as you had.
>> That's the way I always portray it. You

1226
01:56:20,000 --> 01:56:30,159
know, once get bigger, then I can set
this inside this hole. Then as we press

1227
01:56:26,080 --> 01:56:34,560
this way, this gets reclaimed.
Just press

1228
01:56:32,800 --> 01:56:38,639
» you're always keeping the pile of hole
>> that comes back material.

1229
01:56:36,239 --> 01:56:41,679
» Yeah. That was too much across the top
is that builder straight at top you

1230
01:56:40,560 --> 01:56:49,040
scrape off over
>> one's over one's top

1231
01:56:44,880 --> 01:56:52,080
and the road if we ever get that going
down the hill

1232
01:56:50,480 --> 01:56:56,280
» I talk they're going to allow us to use
the overburden at one point

1233
01:57:01,040 --> 01:57:06,239
» how long do you anticipate it taking to
get the big pile hole out of there

1234
01:57:05,611 --> 01:57:08,480
[clears throat]
so

1235
01:57:08,560 --> 01:57:11,880
Hopefully tomorrow

1236
01:57:16,480 --> 01:57:23,440
» usually you'll be crushing by then.
>> No, you won't.

1237
01:57:20,000 --> 01:57:26,440
» No, I I don't have enough room to
>> That's

1238
01:57:29,119 --> 01:57:34,920
just
my question.

1239
01:57:37,360 --> 01:57:42,400
So Ryan, we have like one person out
there monitoring the site and selling

1240
01:57:40,719 --> 01:57:45,040
it. Is that what happens from now on?
>> Yeah. So, so how that work?

1241
01:57:44,256 --> 01:57:49,199
[clears throat]
We have one motor operator. We're going

1242
01:57:47,119 --> 01:57:54,320
to hire a guy just run motor there and
then we have the scale. You'll see guys

1243
01:57:52,000 --> 01:57:59,040
come across the scale and it's all
automated now. So when they come across,

1244
01:57:56,719 --> 01:58:05,320
they'll tear in. They'll get their tear
away. We remotely do that with a

1245
01:58:01,679 --> 01:58:05,320
secretary in Sunday

1246
01:58:06,320 --> 01:58:10,880
number
[clears throat]

1247
01:58:09,119 --> 01:58:18,080
back there with the load operator get
loaded comes back around the camera with

1248
01:58:16,080 --> 01:58:21,400
Sundance
out their ticket.

1249
01:58:21,599 --> 01:58:28,199
That's That's why everybody's excited
that steel

1250
01:58:29,119 --> 01:58:34,239
is the scale wasn't working before, but
it's going to be working or used to

1251
01:58:32,800 --> 01:58:41,119
bucket but is working now.
>> Yeah, we had

1252
01:58:38,239 --> 01:58:47,280
it takes a lot to get that system.
>> I saw it yesterday.

1253
01:58:42,719 --> 01:58:47,280
» Yeah, it's pretty neat.

1254
01:58:50,560 --> 01:58:55,920
You want to address?
>> Yeah.

1255
01:58:54,320 --> 01:58:59,280
» Brian, do you have a do you need to when
do you need to know if you have extra

1256
01:58:57,520 --> 01:59:03,880
capacity? Is it premature to do it now?
I suppose you'd like to know that or can

1257
01:59:00,719 --> 01:59:03,880
that wait?

1258
01:59:05,477 --> 01:59:10,960
» [clears throat]
>> I'm going to go ahead and make a motion

1259
01:59:07,520 --> 01:59:18,880
that we allow them to go to the 250,000
ton that the state allows and what we

1260
01:59:14,159 --> 01:59:26,560
allow in our permits for next year.
>> I'll second and move by second by Homer

1261
01:59:22,159 --> 01:59:32,639
to increase the limit of the amount of
uh gravel that Pearl can take out of

1262
01:59:29,199 --> 01:59:40,280
Larson pit to 250,000. Any further or
any more discussion on this? I think

1263
01:59:35,760 --> 01:59:40,280
we're a little personal opinion.

1264
01:59:49,360 --> 01:59:54,280
» Any further discussion? We should
probably do a roll call.

1265
01:59:54,400 --> 01:59:57,280
» Hi.
>> Hi.

1266
01:59:56,719 --> 02:00:00,560
» Homer.
>> Hi.

1267
01:59:58,080 --> 02:00:05,199
» Flanigan.
think I'm an A on this for the same same

1268
02:00:02,239 --> 02:00:09,679
reason
right now.

1269
02:00:06,960 --> 02:00:16,520
» So motion passes 3 to two. So we will
raise those limits to 250,000 and

1270
02:00:12,800 --> 02:00:16,520
appreciate the report

1271
02:00:22,639 --> 02:00:27,800
that it
amess

1272
02:00:27,920 --> 02:00:34,719
as recess the board of adjustment and
come back as county commission.

1273
02:00:32,639 --> 02:00:37,599
» Then moved by Flanigan, seconded by
Tisdale to recess the board

1274
02:00:36,523 --> 02:00:42,418
[clears throat] of adjustment and
reconvene at the county commission. All

1275
02:00:39,520 --> 02:00:46,560
in favor say I. Oppos? Nay.
[clears throat]

1276
02:00:44,239 --> 02:00:51,719
» Do we have anything left in the agenda?
>> Items in public.

1277
02:00:48,719 --> 02:00:51,719
Yep.

1278
02:01:01,040 --> 02:01:08,000
We will move into items from the public.
Then there's anybody that would like to

1279
02:01:05,040 --> 02:01:12,080
uh stand and give us any comments, you
just ask that you stand and uh give us

1280
02:01:09,920 --> 02:01:17,760
your name and address and and uh make
your comments.

1281
02:01:14,000 --> 02:01:21,199
» I'm Markworth 1912.
Um I would ask respectfully that you

1282
02:01:19,599 --> 02:01:26,560
guys consider putting the comments to
the beginning of the meeting. See the

1283
02:01:23,679 --> 02:01:30,320
agenda. It has a really bad like you're
going to do what you're going to do

1284
02:01:28,320 --> 02:01:34,159
without any input from here. And I know
it's been said in the past, well, we're

1285
02:01:32,560 --> 02:01:40,880
accessible,
but we know that some people show up,

1286
02:01:37,119 --> 02:01:45,119
they say things, and certain times
there was no time the week before to

1287
02:01:43,119 --> 02:01:49,360
know all the information. So, I don't
see the problem with putting the

1288
02:01:47,679 --> 02:01:53,920
comments beginning. I know the city
council does it. You guys already I

1289
02:01:52,000 --> 02:01:58,320
assume are going to stick to the pattern
of not having discussion about what

1290
02:01:55,840 --> 02:02:02,320
people say which is insulting enough and
I've gone around the city with that to

1291
02:02:00,719 --> 02:02:07,840
act like we could come and say something
you won't even acknowledge or address it

1292
02:02:04,960 --> 02:02:11,599
but I would ask you guys to consider
comments at the beginning of the meeting

1293
02:02:09,280 --> 02:02:15,520
for the public.
Thank you for your comment. Anybody

1294
02:02:14,000 --> 02:02:21,520
else?
Anybody online?

1295
02:02:18,639 --> 02:02:27,000
Mrs. Merchant has her hand up, but um
she able to

1296
02:02:23,760 --> 02:02:27,000
think so.

1297
02:02:28,880 --> 02:02:36,280
I don't have her muted.
>> Did she list any comments? Do we have

1298
02:02:32,480 --> 02:02:36,280
written comments or not?

1299
02:02:38,400 --> 02:02:45,400
» Raising my hand. So, are you able to do
a public comment, Miss Merchant, or

1300
02:02:46,960 --> 02:02:49,960
you

1301
02:02:57,199 --> 02:03:04,880
» I think she should be able to
>> I know last time she had trouble getting

1302
02:03:03,280 --> 02:03:11,480
the the computer to work, so she had to
call in.

1303
02:03:06,880 --> 02:03:11,480
She certainly do that now. Anybody

1304
02:03:13,760 --> 02:03:16,760
else?

1305
02:03:22,239 --> 02:03:30,639
Well, why don't we move into items from
the commission and if Mrs. Merchant can

1306
02:03:28,080 --> 02:03:34,440
get her figure out how to get in to us,
we can come back to it.

1307
02:03:35,119 --> 02:03:41,000
» Yeah, you could email too, Mr. Mer. Try
that. Anybody

1308
02:03:41,440 --> 02:03:48,080
or anything for the commission?
>> Yeah, I know the city has moved their

1309
02:03:46,159 --> 02:03:56,119
comments to the front of the meeting and
I think at our planning and zoning for

1310
02:03:50,560 --> 02:03:56,119
the city, we're moving them up.

1311
02:03:57,119 --> 02:04:01,880
I I don't have an issue with that.

1312
02:04:02,320 --> 02:04:06,119
I don't think it does any

1313
02:04:09,760 --> 02:04:18,800
I don't know either. Just I've got an
email address that seems to be full of

1314
02:04:14,880 --> 02:04:24,239
comments from these forwards or
my phone rings, but it you go either

1315
02:04:22,320 --> 02:04:29,280
way. I guess usually at the end of the
when it turns into a complaint session

1316
02:04:26,560 --> 02:04:33,599
about something and ahead of time, I'm
sure maybe there'll be some more

1317
02:04:31,920 --> 02:04:37,119
constructive discussion, not discussion,
but comments. I don't know.

1318
02:04:35,040 --> 02:04:41,199
» I agree with the current
>> I agree if they're at the beginning of

1319
02:04:38,880 --> 02:04:47,599
the meeting might construct something
they thought about instead of just

1320
02:04:44,080 --> 02:04:52,000
session afterwards. So yeah, guess I
don't have a problem with us moving it

1321
02:04:49,119 --> 02:04:57,119
either. You know, if it if uh if the
public thinks that would be a better

1322
02:04:53,520 --> 02:05:01,320
plan, then that's what we're here for.
>> Right after general business then?

1323
02:05:04,159 --> 02:05:10,159
the chairman to decide how the meeting
goes. So,

1324
02:05:07,840 --> 02:05:15,040
» but I don't look at it and try and see
it. It does make it uh could be

1325
02:05:12,639 --> 02:05:21,920
challenging with public hearings uh
scheduling around those.

1326
02:05:18,320 --> 02:05:26,880
» You did it right after
meeting public

1327
02:05:24,560 --> 02:05:31,840
general business. I'm sorry. Do it right
after that in case somebody's late. they

1328
02:05:29,040 --> 02:05:36,960
they make it make their comments before
we get into other things.

1329
02:05:34,400 --> 02:05:40,960
Yeah, we're always waiting for the time
to get by anyway. So, yes,

1330
02:05:39,791 --> 02:05:43,760
[clears throat] I don't see a big deal
one or another. It might work out

1331
02:05:42,560 --> 02:05:46,800
better.
>> And leave

1332
02:05:45,520 --> 02:05:52,119
items from the commissioners to the end
of the meeting. [clears throat]

1333
02:05:49,119 --> 02:05:52,119
» Yeah.

1334
02:05:56,480 --> 02:06:02,840
» Did you see that last time?
So you need to make her presenter.

1335
02:06:03,920 --> 02:06:12,239
» She's a presenter and she controls.
>> Yeah, that's not really how that works.

1336
02:06:10,159 --> 02:06:17,440
» No, I think she should be able to talk.
She's a presenter then she takes control

1337
02:06:13,760 --> 02:06:20,840
of the I can try then she um she
controls everything.

1338
02:06:22,719 --> 02:06:28,880
She has something else to show you.
>> No, she's in charge, right?

1339
02:06:25,840 --> 02:06:36,520
» I believe so. Are we muting her or does
she mute herself? I'm not muting her

1340
02:06:33,520 --> 02:06:36,520
unsenter.

1341
02:06:51,440 --> 02:06:57,000
Um, try look like she'll let you

1342
02:07:00,880 --> 02:07:05,920
Well, I don't think we're going to get
get this done. So, I'm sorry, Mr.

1343
02:07:04,159 --> 02:07:10,320
Merchant. We we tried to figure out what
the what the issue is, but we'll have to

1344
02:07:08,960 --> 02:07:12,159
continue to work on that. I think it
must be on your end, though,

1345
02:07:12,147 --> 02:07:16,880
» [clears throat]
>> uh because other people were able to

1346
02:07:14,079 --> 02:07:21,840
utilize it.
So if there's no other comments, I think

1347
02:07:19,040 --> 02:07:27,639
we entertain a motion to
>> motion to adjourn

1348
02:07:24,639 --> 02:07:27,639
motion.