[0:02] This conference will now be recorded.
[3:45] flag.
I aliance to the flag of the United
[3:50] States of America and to the republic
for it stands one nation
[3:56] indivisible with liberty and justice for
all. Right.
[4:02] We'll call this Lawrence County
Commission meeting of September 1st to
[4:06] order.
We have any changes or additions to the
[4:10] agenda?
>> Mr. Chairman, there is an amended
[4:12] agenda. You'll know that under general
business, there's a section that's
[4:15] underlined. We're going to have you
reconsider the JJ grant from last time.
[4:21] I would note under the sheriff's time
that we're not prepared yet to submit
[4:24] the two agreements referenced under
there. So, those will be continued until
[4:28] your next meeting. Otherwise, I don't
know of any changes.
[4:32] » Approve the agenda as amended. Second
move by Tisdale, seconded by Euing to
[4:38] approve the amended agenda. All those in
favor say I.
[4:41] » Any oppose? Nay.
>> Okay. Motion carries. Any conflicts that
[4:45] we have to share today?
>> Seeing none, we'll move on to uh regular
[4:51] minutes. We've all had a chance to read
those over. Have any corrections or
[4:54] additions?
M to approve. Second
[4:59] » moved by Tisdale, second by Commer to
approve the minutes from August 25th.
[5:05] All those in favor say I.
>> Any oppose? Name.
[5:08] » Okay. And also had a chance to look over
the bills.
[5:12] » Motion to pay the bills.
>> Second.
[5:16] » And moved by Yuing, seconded by Comr to
pay the bills as presented or approve
[5:21] the bills. All those in favor say I.
>> I. Oppose. Nay.
[5:25] » Okay. Motion carries.
some uh personnel requests when you get
[5:33] » F3 for the sheriff's office to approve a
step raise for Stone Thoon as a
[5:38] full-time permanent deputy 2 grade 2 at
a base pay of 3433 effective September
[5:44] 20th
and a separate from Marina Cleveland
[5:49] a full-time permanent sergeant one going
to a grade three at a base pay of 3753
[5:55] per hour effective September 20th
And then Adrien Chesa steps as a
[6:02] full-time permanent dispatcher one grade
two at a base pay at 2530 effective
[6:07] August 23rd.
[6:13] » Motion to approve the sheriff's request.
Second move by Tisdale, second by caller
[6:18] to approve the presented personnel
request from the sheriff's office. All
[6:23] those in favor say I. Any oppose? Nay.
Motion carries.
[6:30] I believe we have a travel request.
>> Yes. So, this travel request is for um
[6:35] Amber Quote to attend the 2026 Western
Planners Conference in Sou Falls from
[6:40] August 26 to the 28th.
[6:47] » Motion to approve the travel request.
>> Second.
[6:52] » Moved by Y. Seconded by comr to approve
the travel request as presented. This is
[6:58] last week apparently.
>> All those in favor say I.
[7:02] » Nay. Motion carries.
>> Thank you.
[7:07] » We have a raffle. Mr. Chairman
consideration is a raffle request
[7:11] submitted by a bridge between us. Quite
a bit of information included in your
[7:15] packets. I think it's relatively
self-explanatory. The date of the event
[7:19] is scheduled to be October 24th. think
of it here at the lodge. I think that
[7:24] would I would not know too that I think
they've had contact with the state to
[7:27] sort of verify their program that
they're going to have for the event and
[7:31] they're going to eliminate their 52 card
drawing for some reason.
[7:38] But that's for normal consideration.
[7:44] Move to not object.
>> Second
[7:48] and moved by Tisdale, seconded by Ying
to not object to the raffle for from
[7:53] Bridgew between us. Any questions? All
those in favor say I. I.
[7:59] » Oppos? Nay.
In fact, not.
[8:05] Next up is the JJRI grant
to have Lexi here twice in a row. What a
[8:12] bonus. Good morning.
>> Well, I am back again today. Um, we got
[8:19] notification late last week that the uh
application as it was submitted would
[8:24] not be accepted because I included 18
year olds in my list of completions. Um,
[8:31] in the past it's I've always included
them and then I've just noted for them
[8:35] that they were 18. This time they asked
me to remove um all 18y olds from the uh
[8:41] application since they're not eligible
for reimbursement. So uh that was done.
[8:47] We're still at a 93% successful
completion rate. Um
[8:52] happy to answer any questions.
>> That changes the amount of of the
[8:56] reimbursement, I assume.
>> No, it doesn't. Okay.
[8:59] » No. um because you're still I've I've
only ever been um reimbursed for the
[9:05] juveniles that are in there. I've just
always included all of my numbers for
[9:09] Lawrence County, including my kids that
were 18 at the time of their offense,
[9:13] and they just want me to do things
differently now.
[9:17] » Was it just to clear it up or
>> Yeah.
[9:19] » Housekeeping?
>> Yep. Yep.
[9:23] » How do you want the motion to read?
>> Just amend. just an amended to approve
[9:27] and authorize the chairman to sign the
amended JJRI initiative
[9:32] um program and designate team court as
the recipient. So move
[9:38] » second
has been moved by Flatigan, second by
[9:41] Comr to approve the amended JJRI
grant application and authorize the
[9:48] chairman to sign.
>> All those in favor say I. I.
[9:52] » Any oppose? Nay. Motion carries. Thank
you.
[10:04] » Yep.
[10:10] [clears throat]
>> Thank you.
[10:14] » We're having a county health fair. Uh
Barb, I see you're online. Did you want
[10:17] to say anything about the county health
fair?
[10:32] comes up the sheriff's report. Pat, if
you have anything for us today,
[10:39] still open. Still open. Going strong,
too.
[10:43] » All right. Thank you for all your hard
work.
[10:49] » All right. We have a request to forgive
a county lean. Pam, you're ready. We
[10:53] sure entertain.
[10:58] » So, I just take this out.
Just read it in case I get
[11:11] um say good morning commissioners and
thank you for allowing us to speak at
[11:15] your meeting. I'm Pam Hines. This is my
husband Les and this is Sean Bornov and
[11:21] he is the good person we are advocating
for. So just a little history is that um
[11:27] after Sean's mother passed away in 2018
his sister became his guardian and that
[11:32] relationship was very difficult not
healthy. Shawn was actively looking to
[11:37] separate himself from his sister for
over a year because of the distress and
[11:41] mental anguish he was feeling due to the
relationship. Sean's sister was both
[11:46] guardian and his rep pay and she was
looking for conservatorship over Shawn
[11:51] or even more control and she scheduled a
court date. This was very upsetting to
[11:56] Shawn because her interactions were
always very negative and Shawn was
[12:01] feeling unheard [snorts] and unseen. At
Shaun's request, Northern Hills Training
[12:05] Center stepped in and worked with the
state to become his rep pay and take
[12:10] care of his day-to-day finances. Um
Sean's a part of the Northern Hills
[12:14] training center because he requires
support to live in the Spearfish
[12:17] community. And [clears throat] then when
Shawn showed up at court with his
[12:20] sister, he did not have an attorney. So
the judge appointed Amber Richie and she
[12:25] did a great job representing Shawn.
Shawn requested a new or different
[12:30] guardian and rejected the
conservatorship his sister was fighting
[12:34] for. I had worked for Northern Hills
Training Center, a new Shawn, and my
[12:39] husband and I both agreed then to become
guardian. So on March 23rd of 26, we
[12:45] knew legal he became his guardian. But
um the bill he received for this was
[12:51] $4,28, [clears throat]
which is more than he can afford since
[12:55] he lives on social security for the
disabled and just a part-time job at
[12:59] sheltered workshop.
Um my job is to advocate for him. So I
[13:05] I'm requesting that his bill be waved or
forgiven. And um the center is currently
[13:12] paying $50 a month and at this rate it
will take over 84 months or
[13:17] [clears throat] seven years to pay off
this bill. And as you can imagine, there
[13:21] are other items that are also going to
be addressed like for his teeth that
[13:26] will have an out-of pocket expense. And
I just put at the bottom there um his
[13:31] SSI and then he does get EBT. So he gets
a total of about $1,500 a month. and
[13:38] then his monthly expenses.
And um
[13:43] when I talked to his um rep pay
yesterday, he had $4 in his account. So
[13:48] he was so glad today was first some more
money would come into account.
[13:55] But that's our our appeal for for Sean
questions for Sean.
[14:05] I believe you also saw an email from
Amber Richie about the case.
[14:11] » I think the amount, Mr. Chairman, you're
considering is 4,28.
[14:24] [clears throat]
[14:29] I'm sorry.
>> I think they did make one payment $50.
[14:33] » Sorry.
[14:36] Um I don't know if they ever done it for
well rarely. Um I think there's been one
[14:42] or two examples in my experience where
you've done it. Usually extraordinary.
[14:45] Uh this is a very interesting
circumstance though. I don't know of
[14:48] anything ever quite like this. Um for
example, I remember one girl came in.
[14:53] She had gotten out of prison. She had
been in prison for murdering her
[14:56] husband. And I think she came in and
wanted her courtappointed attorney fees.
[15:00] She didn't do that. That's years ago.
Um, so that's that's one example of
[15:04] request like that.
It's a lot.
[15:08] » I'm sure training center could use their
50 bucks a month. I know they're a big
[15:11] outfit, but you do a whole bunch of them
adds
[15:17] paying for it. It is money. The training
center is not
[15:24] they're just his pay.
>> I'll make a motion to uh forgive it.
[15:31] circumstances are extraordinary. I think
[15:37] » I'll second it
[15:42] by you and seconded by Tisdale to forget
the entire amount commissioner.
[15:47] » Somehow I missed Amber Richie's letter.
[15:52] She encouraged us to reduce the I'm
going back through my emails and I don't
[15:56] see it in the drive for that but I I
would
[16:02] based on her also recommendation to
forgive
[16:06] » it's there on the drive.
>> Mr. Mr. Chairman, we looked at the
[16:11] statute of we had never experienced that
before where the court had appointed the
[16:15] public defenders office in such a case
and statutoily it is allowed I think
[16:19] fairly clearly so it was appropriate
wasn't stretched
[16:26] any further discussion all those in
favor say I
[16:29] » any oppose nay
>> okay they will forgive the name thank
[16:32] you very much for coming up
>> want to say thank you
[16:39] » want to say thank Thank you.
>> Thank you.
[16:41] » You're welcome. Thanks for what you do.
>> Thank you,
[16:51] » Mr. Bay. Would you like to
send the
[17:00] good morning?
[clears throat]
[17:06] Don't have a lot at this time. We do
have a fiveyear
[17:11] plan reading at 9:00.
But for now, I do have a a request for
[17:18] the permission to advertise a bid date
of September the 22nd,
[17:23] 26 uh to open proposals for the
improvement of the Home State Road. But
[17:30] this would be the the two narrow passes
approximately 610 of a mile west of the
[17:37] intersection of Hills Road.
I did meet with the engineers yesterday.
[17:43] They're confident that they have their
plan in place to submit.
[17:48] We are still waiting for a couple of
easements, but uh
[17:53] hopefully we get those in place by the
time this uh this can go to a bid open.
[17:58] I'm looking for an approval toise.
>> So moved.
[18:03] » Second. Been moved by Flat, seconded by
Tisdale to advertise for the bid opening
[18:08] and for the uh or 6.18 miles of
Homestake Road. Is that enough time? It
[18:15] seems [clears throat] like a pretty
short time if we don't have the plan
[18:17] fully put together yet.
>> The plan's fully put together. It's just
[18:20] the e just the easiest that's all. Okay.
And it's not six, you know, it's not 618
[18:28] miles of distance. That's the
>> Oh, that's west. Yep. Gotcha.
[18:34] » It's two two locations that
they're they they're like 200 yards
[18:40] total. So,
I'm sorry, each
[18:45] both on the north side of the road.
>> Uh we're looking at the Mezer property
[18:49] on the south side of the road for the
the furthest east. And then on the north
[18:54] side of the road, the Lind Cuffs
property, but because of the steep grade
[19:00] towards the bottom, it's a one to one
slope. To achieve a 3 to one slope,
[19:03] we're looking at roughly 180 ft of that
go
[19:09] a fair amount of east. So,
but yeah, that's where we are right now.
[19:16] uh but um
to go to bid or open bids on it for the
[19:21] 22nd
and we're also into a a situation where
[19:27] it's kind of a little unique. You know,
we already know that the bidder is going
[19:30] to bid a low amount. you know, they're
promising to pay for this, but to to to
[19:39] meet all of the state standards to go to
this bid opening and and to try to keep
[19:45] other contractors from suffering.
It would be a shame for somebody to come
[19:50] to this and give up another job to bid
for this job knowing they're not going
[19:54] to get it. So, our advertisement is just
to satisfy the state
[20:00] requirements. Sure. Any further
questions? All those in favor say I. I.
[20:05] Any oppose? Nay. Okay. [clears throat]
The bid opening will be September 22nd.
[20:12] » I would just like to say that we did
start on the Elmore Road Grandard
[20:17] Construction. They constructed the
bypass. In fact, our crew is out there
[20:22] today. We're going to put a little
chloride on that to keep the dust down
[20:27] for the people that live out there
during this construction.
[20:35] They're they're certainly behind
schedule, but they do still are
[20:38] confident that they'll have this bridge
done before the end of the year. So,
[20:42] we'll see.
It is a cast in place
[20:47] deck, continuous board deck with a
button.
[20:52] There's a
and they're optimistic they're going to
[20:56] get it done. So, we'll see. I mean,
winter can strike strike pretty early
[20:59] out there in the Spearfish Canyon area,
but
[21:04] they are making progress. I I'll have
more reports on that coming. So,
[21:10] but yeah, they're
they did get the bypass built. They
[21:15] relocated the American diver.
Everything's going well.
[21:21] And we did yesterday complete the Hannah
bridge structures. As far as
[21:26] installation of all of those, they're
all in place.
[21:29] Those open. We we got that down. My
crew, our crew got it down to a fine
[21:36] art. They they did each one of those.
Yesterday's was the hardest one they did
[21:39] and they still did it in eight hours.
So,
[21:43] they did a fantastic job. They look
great. They drive great. Our next step
[21:47] is to contact a paver and we're going to
get those paved, get that done before
[21:52] the snow also flies.
>> Looks like the community is very happy
[21:56] with them.
>> Yeah, you know, uh we got nothing but
[22:00] positive feedback on that. I think
everybody's pretty pleased with them
[22:04] that and and the actual installation
portion. They nobody was too
[22:08] inconvenience. We we gave everybody
enough warning that lives there. They
[22:11] all parked their cars on the, you know,
the downhill side of the structure. So,
[22:16] they were able to we kept a walkway
through there for them and I don't think
[22:20] anybody was too inconvenienced and now
it's good. They don't have to worry
[22:25] about garbage trucks falling through the
bridges anymore. They should be good for
[22:28] a long time. [clears throat]
>> I'm sure they appreciate that.
[22:36] » And other than the uh uh
the fiveyear plan stuff, I don't have
[22:41] anything else for you guys. If you don't
have anything for me,
[22:45] the wheel a little bit for that.
>> Yeah, that's public hearing at 9:00.
[22:49] » Thank you, John. Yep. Thanks, John.
Guess I should have asked anybody had
[22:54] any questions for Mr. P.
It's too late. [laughter]
[23:02] I'm out of here.
[23:05] » Don't be so get along with
[clears throat] my best.
[23:11] Got a little extra time here. just like
to see if
[23:18] come do some of those
reviews.
[23:24] We're going to have plenty of time here.
[23:33] [clears throat]
[23:37] » Nice day.
[23:41] » I finally got an update on my Wells
Fargo letter situation. Um, I did not
[23:48] get anything from them, but I got help
from Corloic. Uh, yesterday we were
[23:52] going back and forth for quite a while,
and we finally Paula finally let me know
[23:56] that Wells Fargo
said that they sent the letters out in
[24:00] air, that they should have never gone
out.
[24:04] And um, I told them, well, is Wells
Fargo going to send letters out? They
[24:10] will not proof letters to go out if
they're in air. They say they don't have
[24:14] time or whatever. So, I have 46 people
that I have gotten phone calls for that
[24:20] I will call and let them know. And then
Core Logic, who is the third party that
[24:25] does a fantastic job that was working,
you know, contracted by Wells Fargo,
[24:29] they're going to try to contact any of
the people that they can on their end so
[24:34] that there is no problems at all. Um, I
told Paula, she's from Core Logic, my
[24:39] contact, that I was going to update our
web page and put out there that it was
[24:43] an error. And she goes, "Oh, let me
check with Wells Fargo." Um, and I said,
[24:48] "Well, I'll be politically correct. I,
you know, let me have what they wanted."
[24:53] And this is what Wells Fargo wanted me
to say. If you have recently received a
[24:57] letter from your mortgage company
regarding Lawrence County special
[25:01] assessments, note the special
assessments is included in your county
[25:04] bill and no action is needed. If you
have an escrow account, these will
[25:08] continue to be paid by your mortgage
company. I said I'd put that in there,
[25:12] but mortgage company is going out and
Wells Fargo is going [clears throat]
[25:16] because I don't want to put mortgage
company and then anybody that has a loan
[25:19] sees that then they start
>> more magnify.
[25:25] » Ironically, I did have a couple people
that
[25:29] » No, they come and
>> Yeah. So, as of yesterday afternoon, it
[25:34] went on our web page that it was the
letters were sent there. We also have it
[25:40] on our phones messages if anybody calls
on that that they can disregard the
[25:45] letters but if they did get a refund
they should check directly with Will
[25:49] Fargo because I have no control over
that because I guess some they were
[25:53] cleaning up some of their escrow and
some of the monies did need to go back
[25:56] on that
[25:59] » yeah will you use that sort of as your
script when you call those 40ome people
[26:03] back uh
>> yeah I'll add yes that's what I'm going
[26:06] to tell them that their letters were
sitting there and if you have any
[26:09] questions You know, I'll just say, you
know, like I've been telling everybody,
[26:12] we
we have to give out taxes. I would never
[26:16] deny anybody the right for taxes. And I,
you know, up until two years ago, Wells
[26:21] Fargo got my my taxes monthly. They they
get a thing and then they hire Corore
[26:28] Logic to take care of it. Corore Logic
every month. Matter of fact, I should be
[26:31] getting an email form today requesting
my files and so they have all updated
[26:36] once in case something gets paid off or
something like that.
[26:38] » Bless you. Um, but I I will say Corlogic
was awesome. They they really had to
[26:44] work on this and get to the bottom of it
because I could not get anybody to
[26:47] answer.
[26:51] So, Deb, did Wells Fargo indicate how
many of these letters went out? So, we
[26:56] have some idea what percentage of the 46
people represented. I have no idea
[27:02] because I I have no idea who has escros.
But the last time that I had an escro
[27:08] payment just strictly from Wells Fargo
was around 600,000. So I just kind of
[27:13] figured, you know, that's for a half,
you know, if somebody's, you know, what
[27:17] the average taxes are. So I'm guessing
probably be around 300 people just in
[27:22] Orange County. That's
>> just curious about
[27:26] reply because
>> there's another X percentage that
[27:30] haven't said anything yet or
>> or don't or don't pay attention and just
[27:34] pitch it, you know. So like me, I
probably got if I got some probably
[27:38] throw it away.
>> Yeah. So hopefully
[27:41] » this is taken care of.
>> Commissioner
[27:46] be interesting. They don't have time to
fix their
[27:49] » wonder if they'll have time to reprimand
us.
[27:53] » Yeah.
>> Yeah.
[27:56] » Go ahead.
>> Yeah. You said something that reminded
[27:58] me uh about paying property taxes
online. I think you talked about it with
[28:02] the commission a couple weeks ago. Is it
Beacon? Is that what it was?
[28:04] » Well, I was looking at one credit card
company that we could go on. they could
[28:09] pay online, but then Brett also
mentioned that we could get Beacon,
[28:13] which at least they could just go and
see what their taxes are and Brett's
[28:17] been working really hard on that. And
Greg has been helping. We just Brett
[28:22] just um called me yesterday and talked.
Um it sounds like you can can get our
[28:27] property taxes online for people to look
at. It's gonna I think Brett said and
[28:32] she's going to come down and talk to you
guys probably in a meeting or two. It's
[28:35] going to be like $4,400 a onetime fee to
get it all set up to get the property
[28:40] taxes on there. And she's asking I had
some monies to help. And I'm trying to
[28:44] sweep out 2,000 out of my budget. I hope
I can, but this is something that really
[28:48] should be on Beacon. It it'll cut down
phone calls for my office and um EQ EQ.
[28:55] I mean, director of equalizations
already once they got Beacon has cut
[28:58] down a lot of phone calls for them with
people just looking at property
[29:01] descriptions. And this will help esroies
and um realtors and stuff to be able to
[29:07] go on and look and see what the taxes
are.
[29:09] » Beacon is the GIS program that's online.
It's
[29:13] » they just can't pay on it, but they can
go and see what their base taxes are
[29:17] » on the parcel and find it
>> and see everything there. So, I think
[29:20] it's a good thing. I know there's still,
I think, a few little tweaks to get out,
[29:24] but we're moving in the right direction
to try to get out the dark ages.
[29:28] » Mr. Will Beacon be in addition to that
other vendor you talked about, or does
[29:33] Beacon that
>> um the other v if I go with beacon then
[29:38] I won't go with the other we'll just put
those and see if this works for now um
[29:43] because they can still go through forte
and pay the other vendor I was looking
[29:46] at was going to host our taxes online
and then they could pay taxes through
[29:52] them through us the only thing is is I
would have had to do some changes
[29:56] possibly with credit card company at the
counter and Forte is working really good
[30:01] I mean we use about six million through
them a
[30:06] So with Beacon, I could get online and
see what my property tax is owed is, but
[30:10] then I would go to Forte to pay. So it's
a two-step process. Is that fair? Yes.
[30:14] » And the other vendor would have been
done both of them, but you accomplish
[30:18] the same thing by having
>> and and their price, their um credit
[30:20] card fees were a little more higher than
what I can offer right now. And I know
[30:24] on the beacon part, if I understand it
right, you go on right now and you you
[30:28] pay a monthly fee or a daily fee to go
look at um director of equalizations
[30:33] information and stuff, but we're going
to have get it. So the property taxes
[30:37] are free to look at. I don't think we
should be charging for somebody to go
[30:40] look for property taxes. So that part's
going there.
[30:45] And then the other good thing is when we
um when I give my uh statistics that we
[30:50] did last month on on stuff, I said I was
going to mail out 22 letters of
[30:55] delinquent taxes. I mailed out those 22
letters and it come to 228,68.91
[31:03] and so far we have collected $14732707
out of that. So that went really good.
[31:11] And then I have another really
delinquent property about 240,000 and
[31:16] they're working with the bank. So
hopefully within the next month we'll
[31:19] get that taken care of. So we're getting
our delinquency down again.
[31:24] » What did you get? Was it 49 vehicle
titers over the weekend? [clears throat]
[31:28] » Yesterday I had to check in 44 titles
and get them. I was here till 6 last
[31:35] night finally getting them in and then
out of those 44 unfortunately five of
[31:39] them have to go back because they didn't
do the paperwork right. That that's the
[31:43] frustrating thing is they send all this
stuff in. They don't [clears throat]
[31:46] sign the titles. They don't have all the
some of the stuff we can call and they
[31:49] can email. When they don't sign the
titles, we don't have signed power of
[31:53] attorneys or something. We have we we
send them back certified because I don't
[31:58] I want to be able to track those titles.
So, we've got five of them I got to send
[32:01] back today because they didn't do the
proper
[32:05] [clears throat]
>> and you you log all of those in and
[32:07] track everything. So, if a customer
calls, you can tell them when you got
[32:11] it. We have too many coming in.
>> I have them on an Excel spreadsheet that
[32:15] we put in by name, date, and vehicle and
if we're missing anything. Um, and then
[32:20] if it's in the work by the date or if
it's in the bank file or or the hold
[32:25] file.
>> Yeah.
[32:30] I can just imagine what's going to be
like next Tuesday. How many we're gonna
[32:33] have you go? Well, because we're on
Saturday and then Monday and then we'll
[32:38] get a big stack on Tuesday. Monday's
always yesterday.
[32:45] » Thank you for going above and beyond
what you really need to do there. Making
[32:48] 46 phone calls. That's
>> my project today is to get that done
[32:52] because back and forth with Core Logic
before we finally got everything
[32:55] straightened out yesterday and stuff. I
didn't have time to call everybody, but
[32:59] I'll start calling them today and let
them know and if you guys get calls or
[33:02] if they have any questions, want to ask
have more specifics on it. Um, but it
[33:07] sounds like everything should be just
back the way it was or that the letter
[33:10] should have went out.
[clears throat]
[33:15] » And I have my best to help.
>> Okay. Thank you.
[33:19] » All right. See you guys.
[33:29] » Um, we bring Jeff down. We got a special
board of adjustment.
[33:32] » Yeah. You want to do the
Senate Bill 96 resolution.
[33:44] » Okay, we'll jump ahead on the agenda
here and uh we passed the ordinance
[33:49] creating a county sales tax last
meeting, but we did not uh decide when
[33:54] to offer relief. So, the two choices are
we can offer uh relief on the 2027
[34:00] payable taxes using an estimated return
gain from our county sales tax or we
[34:07] could collect the full amount of the
sales tax and offer relief from 2028.
[34:13] » Yes, I would I would just start I'll
make a motion to do half the estimated
[34:18] receipts.
>> So, the estimated receipts are using 66
[34:24] million. Is that what I'm going to use
what the most recent we get at the end
[34:27] of the year.
>> Okay.
[34:30] » So,
>> or where or whenever the reporting time
[34:33] happens to be.
>> So, then you would you would apply half
[34:36] of that then property tax estimated.
>> I think that's a conservative number. I
[34:42] don't think it's an appropriate I don't
think, you know, I think I think it's uh
[34:47] I think it's responsible. We're getting
the relief out sooner than later.
[34:52] Um but we're also not being Without
being too optimistic, I think it's a
[34:56] good conservative method, a good way to
go.
[35:00] » If we went with that plan, then the
following year we would catch up the
[35:04] other half with the full amount.
>> That's a discussion for the board at
[35:07] that time.
See what your experience is.
[35:12] » Um, yeah, I think that, you know,
everything would go into the property
[35:15] tax relief fund. So, I don't know that
that's a choice.
[35:20] But we have to issue all of the uh
receipts from property tax.
[35:26] » Well, so then it'd be realized. I mean,
we're collecting it. We need to do what
[35:30] we're supposed to be doing with it.
>> Yes.
[35:32] » Yeah. You've heard me voice that I
wanted to collect it for the first year.
[35:37] » Hey, but I'm comfortable with this
conservative case.
[35:43] » That was a motion.
>> Yeah. Sitting out there.
[35:48] » I'll second that.
Okay. And then move further discussion.
[35:51] » Yes. Moved by Flanigan, seconded by
Tisdale to issue half of the amount of
[35:57] the estimated
revenue from the county sales tax as
[36:02] relief in 2027
credit to the taxes for 2027 payable. I
[36:09] think my only question is who's making
the call on estimated? I don't know if
[36:13] Department of Revenue is going to
estimate those
[36:18] continue to do that or not.
And it's my understanding that they keep
[36:23] track what the city sending to them, but
they have no idea exactly exact dollar
[36:28] amount
send.
[36:32] » Correct. They do not collect that data.
So then the following year we would use
[36:37] the half we didn't use theoretically
and then half of the following year so
[36:44] pay it off. We always have a half as a
buffer
[36:48] that I'm not sure I imagine there's
going to be some tweaking by the
[36:51] legislature to figure out how that puts
is put together. I think the only entity
[36:56] we have to determine the estimated
revenue is going to be the department of
[37:00] revenue, the only official one.
But again, that's I suspect there's
[37:06] going to be there's going to have to be
something down the road legislatively
[37:10] that either allows the county
specifically to design to to to
[37:16] design an ordinance that's appropriate
for the county or they're going to have
[37:20] to figure out how to do a blank one
statewide through legislation. But we're
[37:24] we're not at a point where we know those
answers still.
[37:27] » So it's we're still best guessing what
we
[37:31] » I'm speaking out loud. So um so I don't
know if we know what the estimate is.
[37:34] Maybe we could get something. Maybe not.
But alternatively, would you consider
[37:38] stating a specific amount? I'm just
going to throw out a random amount of a
[37:42] million dollars uh to start off with.
And you could always amend that next
[37:46] year um uh as revenues came in. Does
that make sense? you would apply uh a
[37:51] million dollars as it's collected to
property tax relief to start off with.
[37:54] Maybe that's too low and and then if it
comes in better, you could always apply
[37:59] more next year or in a relevant time
frame.
[38:04] » Yes.
>> Why why why a specific number instead of
[38:08] a percentage?
>> Because we don't know what the
[38:10] percentage is of what I don't know
50% of the total is going to be that
[38:17] another problem. So they the let the
department of revenue came up with their
[38:21] estimated uh revenue for sales tax when
they were working on the bill. Um I
[38:27] contacted the department of revenue
July maybe it was just to see if there
[38:32] was an updated number because I
suspected that that was the 2024 number
[38:36] that they were working on when they did
the 20 or 25 number when they're doing
[38:40] the 26 legislative session. I tried to
get an updated number and that she told
[38:46] me that um it was six million just a
little over six million prior the old
[38:51] number was a little below six million. I
got the feeling that they weren't really
[38:55] tracking that that they were just
throwing that number out.
[38:57] [clears throat]
So that's my concern about the motion is
[39:00] that we don't I don't know that we're
going to get an official number
[39:04] nor do I have a lot of confidence in
that number uh strictly because they do
[39:09] track the municipalities but they don't
track uh the number outside of the
[39:14] counties and the way that they arrived
at that estimate for the number outside
[39:18] the counties was that you know you got
this whole pool of money uh that they
[39:23] collect for for sales tax for the state
and they knew what the municipality
[39:27] ities were. So they subtracted out all
the municipalities and that left a
[39:31] smaller pile of money that they just
divided on a per capita basis for the
[39:35] state and [clears throat] applied those
to each county on a per capita basis. So
[39:39] obviously some counties generate a lot
more sales tax outside of the
[39:42] municipalities than others. So I don't
know how accurate that number is going
[39:46] to be.
>> Now that we've had this discussion, I'm
[39:56] entertained the motion or I guess
[40:01] I'd be more comfortable waiting till
2028 to disperse funds.
[40:10] » But yeah, the motion is to
utilize to give half of the new
[40:16] estimate.
We're not sure.
[40:19] » The motion was to do 50% of the most
recent estimate by by the end of the
[40:23] year.
>> Right now, the current estimate was six
[40:26] 60 something for the department of
revenue. Um, based on what you said, I
[40:32] suspect if that number is Lawrence
County
[40:36] and based on other counties, I suspect
that that number would be higher than
[40:39] that
>> because I think there's a lot more
[40:41] revenue generated outside city limits
than most counties.
[40:46] » So, I'm very comfortable with my motion
as as a
[40:51] even even if it's half of the the only
one we get. But you know by the end of
[40:56] the year they're going to be there gonna
be a lot of heat on department revenue
[40:58] to give this a number. Give us the
number then we know what it is
[41:03] » because whether or not senate bill
intended to do that that's what they've
[41:06] done is force to make make something.
>> Yes.
[41:10] » So just uh thinking [clears throat]
about time frames here. The treasur's
[41:15] office tries to get those tax notices
out in February. When would they need
[41:18] that date?
That's one question. And the other
[41:22] question is, is our software going to be
capable of issuing that as a credit
[41:28] February 27?
>> We send the tax numbers out in January.
[41:34] So, it's going to have to be before it's
going to have to be started on
[41:39] immediately to have that ready to go.
>> Put that on there.
[41:44] » And is that going to be possible? Is
that a great question?
[41:47] » That would be a great question.
We never posed that particular question
[41:51] to him.
6 million4.
[41:57] » It's underneath your cursor.
[42:04] » And [clears throat] this data was from
when does it have a date?
[42:06] » It says on the top um
[42:14] » says county sales tax estimate updated
with pay 25.
[42:18] » Yes, that's 25.
[42:23] And that's what we've been given all
along.
[42:26] » So that number is the most current that
we have. And if that ends at the end of
[42:30] the year, that's the most current we
have. Then it's half that number. That's
[42:32] what my motion says.
>> Yep.
[42:40] » We include that in the motion so it's
very clear. The estimate is 6 million
[42:43] 94. That would be three million.
>> I think we need to have a number in
[42:47] that.
>> Yeah. An estimated $3 million would be
[42:49] applied.
>> Yeah. My only concern with this I'm not
[42:54] concerned about the amount. Uh I am
concerned about our capability to get
[42:58] that listed on the tax post without
coordinating with with our IT
[43:04] department. I believe the discussion
when we first heard this was that
[43:08] treasurer and IT and the auditor were
all prepared to do whichever whatever
[43:14] direction we decided to go. I may be
overspeaking but I
[43:19] » that that's that's true. Although we
didn't talk about This does that make
[43:23] sense? This is a little bit different.
>> It could I don't think we actually
[43:27] talked about the time frame. That's
that's all concerning.
[43:30] » It is a proprietary system that Craig
designed. So I think um pretty confident
[43:35] he can but I haven't asked this if this
throws any kind of a wrench. I suspect
[43:39] not request back in here if he's Yeah,
he's around.
[43:48] » I think he'll probably tell us that that
he can do it, but I would like to have
[43:51] Another
[43:55] [clears throat]
[44:00] state I have dramatics.
[44:19] » Morning, Amber. Morning.
>> How are you?
[44:22] » I'm here.
>> Good.
[44:33] Got more kids being kids. That's a good
[44:54] » We have a granddaughter being a little
bit overly.
[44:58] » I could rather come back.
>> Oh, I don't know. We are still live.
[45:06] » I can pass on what said.
>> Well, that's [laughter]
[45:11] aware they were going to hear this.
[45:37] Mr. Chairman, I think I restated the
proposition to Brandon or to Greg, but
[45:41] maybe somebody else would want to say to
make sure I frame the issue correctly.
[45:44] » Okay. Yeah, we're just making sure that
if we were to offer a property tax
[45:49] relief credit on the tax notices that
are going out in January 2027, that that
[45:56] we would have the software capability to
do that. That's a rather short time
[46:00] frame. We we have worked out the
mechanics of that how that would
[46:04] actually be implemented implemented in
software without going into a lot of
[46:08] detail. Basically, you know, we figure
out the exact amounts per parcel and
[46:14] then an offsetting entry would be put
into the aortionment table for each
[46:20] property record that reduces the the
amount of tax on the appropriate line
[46:24] item. And then we would also be able to
use that to identify on the tax notice
[46:29] that discount was applied because that's
required by the loan too. So I I I think
[46:34] I feel confident that we're going to go
for this.
[46:36] » So
would you be just reducing the amount of
[46:39] total tax or would you be listing a
credit line item credit?
[46:43] » Well, it would be it would be a credit.
There would be a line
[46:47] item that it would be a negative amount
in in the amount of the credit that
[46:50] that's would be on the aortionate
record. So if we pull that back off and
[46:55] we also use that record to be able to
determine uh when we're on the back end
[46:59] of it through through the the accounting
system how that will all so I feel
[47:04] confident.
>> Okay. Yeah. Thank you for that.
[47:08] » Any further questions?
Send me something. I'm trying to get it
[47:13] out.
>> Just unshare your screen and then they
[47:15] can't see it. Then you can get it open.
There you go. Then you can have it open.
[47:32] So this would be an example.
[clears throat]
[47:35] Yes.
[47:43] » Makes it much simpler.
[47:49] » Is is this the school part is broken out
separately? Isn't it the application 245
[47:54] or is it just
>> Yeah.
[47:57] of it would be
fundy [clears throat]
[48:05] if that's what they that's what they're
using.
[48:10] This one's a little bit different.
[48:24] That's what it would be there.
or or if it's on.
[48:28] » So, did you figure out half of what our
estimate is? The county sales tax
[48:33] estimate was a little over six million.
What was the half? Just so you stay that
[48:37] in motion. Just a little over three
million. Just Yeah.
[48:41] » I mean, the number was right there.
>> It was. Yeah. I was just wondering if we
[48:44] had a
>> 09433
[48:47] or something. Just wanting to include
that in in the motion. That's not in the
[48:52] motion.
3,47,172
[48:58] to be exact.
>> I mean, I was more comfortable with
[49:01] waiting for the actual, but I think this
is a good alternative.
[49:07] » It it starts going forward.
>> Yeah.
[49:11] » The you know, it the the pain that that
the people that on the one side that
[49:17] that are going to feel are going to feel
it right away. um the squeaky ones on
[49:22] the other side are going to also see
something. So,
[49:28] but we all we still we have reserves
there. I think I think it's I think it's
[49:32] an easy I don't think there's anything
to really think too much about. We we're
[49:36] going to generate think our county has
not generated much less if if any less
[49:42] sales taxes
and I don't foresee it shutting off
[49:46] anytime soon.
[49:53] and discussion.
Okay. [clears throat]
[49:56] Uh so the motion is that we will offer
tax property tax relief to owner
[50:01] occupied starting in 2027 taxes
uh which would be the 26 payable taxes
[50:07] in 27. Uh the amount will be
approximately 3.147 million to be
[50:14] divided equally among all of the
evaluation of the owner occupied.
[50:19] All those in favor say I. I.
>> Any oppose? Nay. Motion carries.
[50:25] Wants to change my motion.
>> Did I not get that right?
[50:30] » I didn't put a number. You added the
number to me.
[50:32] » I was just
>> But that would be the number if that's
[50:34] the most current estimate. Yes.
[50:40] » I'm sorry. I thought I said half of the
half of the estimate which was 3.147.
[50:46] That is
[50:49] » uh let's see. Um Jasmine's here.
>> Oh, Jasmine's here. Okay. Can uh we
[50:55] leave her enough time if we do that.
[51:02] » I don't think it will take long.
>> We need to be boarded for that.
[51:06] » Yes.
>> Let's move to recess.
[51:11] » Yes. Does the county commission convene
as board?
[51:15] Been moved by Flatin, seconded by
Tisdale to recess the county commission
[51:19] and convene a board of adjustment. All
those in favor say I. Any oppose? Nay.
[51:23] I'll make a motion to approve the
minutes from last meeting.
[51:26] » Second move by Flanigan, second by Homer
to approve the minutes from the August
[51:32] 25th board of adjustment minutes. All
those in favor say I.
[51:34] » I. Any oppose? Nay.
>> Okay.
[51:39] We are joined by we have those in the
packets.
[51:43] » I wasn't sure.
>> I think we I think we got them printed
[51:45] before.
>> Yes.
[51:51] » Thank you for joining us.
>> Yeah. Thank you for having me.
[51:53] » Are we doing the catchment project first
or you want the drain which
[51:59] » I'll probably just talk about it
together. They're very much related. Um
[52:03] » just real quick I want to give a quick
explanation. So, how these work? Um, we
[52:07] did receive two different
um technical revisions, we'll call them.
[52:13] Um, one is for the false bottom lower
sump tile drain tile installation and
[52:18] one is for the false bottom creek
catchment project. So, how it works when
[52:22] we get these um the state expects me to
have some sort of response to them. So,
[52:26] normally what we've done is if Bruce and
I are comfortable with it, we'll go
[52:30] ahead and do it. Like the the drain tile
one, we were pretty comfortable with it.
[52:33] We would have probably just done it, but
because they had the other one, we
[52:37] decided to just put them both on the
agenda. Um, and then that way once we're
[52:41] done with this, we usually take the
minutes and we I will respond to the
[52:45] state. So, they have it in their record
that it was within. So, that's kind of
[52:48] why you see two different things, but
we'll respond together with the minutes
[52:52] when we go through the process. So,
that's kind of just the general process
[52:55] today.
>> Thank you.
[53:00] [clears throat]
>> Um, so I'll kind of give you guys a
[53:02] little bit of background, but I was here
last year. We talked about the selenium
[53:05] treatment plant that we put in. Um it's
very successful. Um it's doing a good
[53:10] job. We uh have realized since we
started treating there's a portion of
[53:15] water that we aren't catching. So we
would like to try to catch that um for
[53:18] further treatment and that's essentially
what both projects are supposed to do.
[53:23] So the first page of the handout just
kind of gives you an overview just kind
[53:27] of get you a little bit sorted. Um but
kind of you can see our our bottom
[53:32] treatment center up above the dam face.
Um and then we've got an an upper sump
[53:37] which is our main catchment and then we
had dug a lower sump in an effort to
[53:42] catch more water. Um and that's right
near the pump house. So essentially what
[53:46] happens is the the lower sump catches
water, sends it to the upper sump, the
[53:50] upper sump sends it back down to the
pump house. Pump house pumps up uh we do
[53:56] have a holding pond which you can't see
here to the holding pond. holding pond
[53:59] gravity feeds to the treatment facility
and then we gravity feed and send it
[54:03] back to the creek after it's treated. So
that's how it works now. Um but we've
[54:09] realized within the creek itself there
is a portion of creek um upstream that
[54:13] is still flowing that we're unable to
catch. And so what we'd like to do is
[54:18] two things. So, for one, we would like
to install drain tile along um the
[54:24] length of our
lower sump to sort of spread it out to
[54:28] try to catch some of that underground
water that's flowing through. So, what
[54:32] that would do is it would catch that
underground water, funnel it to the
[54:36] sump, and treat it from there. Um and
then the second thing that we wanted to
[54:41] do is actually put a a catchment um in
the creek. So the increte catchment is a
[54:48] little bit more highly regulated to be
perfectly honest. We're working with the
[54:52] Army Corps of Engineers um and with both
projects we're working with the Danner
[54:57] um the mines group of the Danner but
also um the surface water division,
[55:02] water rights division um [clears throat]
and groundwater actually. So I've been
[55:09] working with all of those groups and
we're working through it. Um, and
[55:12] essentially this is kind of the plan
forward to get more of that water to be
[55:16] able to treat it for
[55:20] » any questions that was.
>> Yeah, this is all at the toe of the
[55:24] historic um
facility.
[55:27] » Yep. The the selenium actually comes
from historical tailings from V
[55:31] Mountain. Thank you, Tim. Um, and so,
you know, we inherited that property
[55:36] pretty many [clears throat] years ago
and so now we're just trying to clean it
[55:39] up and and make it right.
So the catchment pond is in the creek.
[55:44] It
>> is in the creek.
[55:45] » So the creek's just going to flow in and
allow the
[55:49] » to settle out is essentially what you're
trying to do.
[55:51] » Well, actually it's gonna it's going to
funnel the water into one area and then
[55:55] it's going to get pumped up to the pump.
>> Yep. And so um it's designed it's not
[56:02] huge. Uh I want to say it's about 40 by
80. Um so it's not huge. That area is
[56:07] fairly small footprint anyway. But what
it's designed to do is sort of um dig
[56:12] that metal out to allow all of the water
to funnel in there. And then we've got
[56:16] um
sort of a wall um built in. I guess it's
[56:21] sheet pilings is what it's called. And
so they'll drill sheet pilings in to
[56:25] create that wall [clears throat] and so
the water can funnel up and then from
[56:29] there we'll catch it with it up.
We did double check this area. It's not
[56:34] actually in the flood plane. It's a it's
not a named flood plane area. So even
[56:39] though there's water there, so they
don't have to go through anything with
[56:43] like our flood plane development
process.
[56:45] » Okay.
>> It's not a name.
[56:47] » Is it not a live stream? [clears throat]
>> Um it's is it always live? I mean I
[56:52] would say sometimes. Yeah. It's not an
active.
[56:55] » It used to be seasonal and right now
we're seeing it pretty consistently. Um
[56:59] right now we're pumping up about I think
going through the bot lane is at the
[57:03] bottom towards the end and I think we're
getting like 10 15 gallons a minute.
[57:07] It's pretty low right now.
At least you just I think this is all
[57:12] within the permit area as well, right?
>> It is. It's all within the permit
[57:15] boundary. Um we did have one discussion
with the Forest Service, I guess, and we
[57:21] did get a letter and I think that
>> that should have been in your stuff. Um
[57:25] the Forest Service basically has said
they don't ever sign the waivers like
[57:29] the 500 foot buffer waivers. We've never
had them sign them and they kind of
[57:33] said, "Well, we don't really want to
start now." So, but they recognized it.
[57:38] They know that it's within their 500
foot of the Forest Service boundary and
[57:43] they were fine with it. So, we did
double check with them just to make sure
[57:46] because we have to prove that we made
contact and
[57:50] » we did notice.
>> Yep.
[57:56] » And we actually he did kind of send an
email. It basically said we prefer not
[58:00] to sign it. Like, okay, I'll just put
that on the record.
[58:04] » Sorry, Mr.
um they're required by federal law to to
[58:11] process selenium and that's a relatively
new 20 years I think they changed by a
[58:15] factor of 10 the tolerance on selenium
because about the time they built the
[58:19] one in Gville or down there by central
city that plant um they're just trying
[58:25] to collect more water to to handle
what's a naturally occurring substance
[58:30] under the sort of ground is to collect
that I don't I don't see any issue at
[58:34] all they're trying to trying make
improve on what they're already doing
[58:37] » the design change.
>> Do we need a motion? Is there any
[58:41] accept? I'll make a motion.
>> Usually you just Yeah, you accept the
[58:44] report and then that I will send the
notice and the minutes to DNR for the
[58:49] technical revision. That's normally what
you guys think. I just um
[58:54] » you found it right
>> to support the technical revision on the
[58:58] bottom for some drain tile installation
and then [clears throat]
[59:04] also the revision on the false bottom
creek catch.
[59:10] » That was my motion.
[59:16] I'll second. It's been moved by seconded
by uh commer to accept the report for
[59:21] the both catchment and also the drain
tile.
[59:25] » Any other questions or discussion? All
those in favor say I.
[59:29] » Any oppose? Nay.
>> Okay.
[59:31] » Thank you.
>> Thank you. I will get it sent soon as we
[59:34] get the minutes.
[59:40] » Always
[59:45] we have a public hearing at 9:00
meeting.
[59:57] » We might as well just uh let's go back
into the county commission and we'll
[1:00:00] take a five minute break. I'll move to
recess.
[1:00:06] Second and moved by Flanigan, seconded
by Tisdale to recess as board of
[1:00:11] adjustment reconvene as county
commission. All those in favor say I.
[1:00:15] Oppose. Okay. Okay. We'll take a 4m
minute break and pick back up.
[1:00:20] » You saw your
>> She said make sure you add it to
[1:00:23] Thursday's packet.
>> Okay.
[1:00:25] » That's what it was from.
>> Okay. Wherever you
[1:04:58] Thank you. All right, we will come back
to order and this is the time and place
[1:05:03] for a public meeting concerning the
fiveyear county highway and bridge plan.
[1:05:13] » Mr. Bay, would you like to fill us in on
what we're doing? Okay. Well,
[1:05:20] state requirement that we have to uh
submit a five-year road and bridge plan
[1:05:26] and this is uh to be eligible for
any grants uh namely the big grant for
[1:05:33] bridge improvement.
[1:05:37] A couple of the requirements for the
five-year plan is that we have, you
[1:05:40] know, the county has to implement a
wheel tax, which we have, and also adopt
[1:05:48] of the five-year road and bridge
improvement plan. This plan is exactly
[1:05:54] what it says. It's merely a plan. It's
not a written in stone. It's not a
[1:05:59] requirement. It's a budgeting tool. It
is also a tool to put in order
[1:06:04] [clears throat]
what structures or what projects we're
[1:06:08] gonna we're going to do in the in a in a
time frame. If we're going to get any
[1:06:14] kind of funding through the state or
federal government, we have to have this
[1:06:18] in place and it also has to be adopted
[clears throat]
[1:06:23] by by the commission. We'll be putting
uh once we're done here, we'll uh put it
[1:06:29] together into their format information.
the information provided.
[1:06:34] We have signatures of people attended,
the five-year plan, and any kind of
[1:06:38] input that any any people in the public
want to submit. We have to have that
[1:06:44] turned in to the state by October the
15th. We also are required to notify our
[1:06:51] our township people, which we have in
attendance today. And uh
[1:07:01] you note that they were also present.
With that being said, they are excited.
[1:07:07] We're just going to we'll go through the
five-year plan. Again, I want to clarify
[1:07:13] that when you see these dollar amounts
listed, these are these are estimates
[1:07:18] for projects. And as the further out in
the five years go, [clears throat] those
[1:07:23] estimates are they're going to become
less accurate. It's a little hard to to
[1:07:28] determine the cost of things five years
down the road. All of these numbers are
[1:07:33] I'll tell you right now, they're on the
high end and then [clears throat]
[1:07:36] there's a percentage added for every
year going into the five years. So
[1:07:42] to start with in 2027 on our 5-year
plan, we have the asphalt mill and
[1:07:47] overlay the the last section of the Nemo
Road.
[1:07:52] We also have roughly 10 miles of chip
seal. We have a little more chip seal on
[1:07:58] the in 27 than we normally have, but we
also are trying to get caught back up.
[1:08:03] We had that little problem. We took some
chip seal off for budget reasons and
[1:08:07] then we, if you remember, our chip seal
people didn't show up last year. So,
[1:08:12] we're going to try to get back on track
with our chip seal. And then again, this
[1:08:16] provided the budget allows.
This is not a budget. This is just to
[1:08:21] help us with our budget. So, if it's on
this list, doesn't necessarily mean we
[1:08:26] have to do it because the budget still
dictates what we're going to do in
[1:08:30] coming year. Um, [clears throat] we also
have route and crack seal 3.63 miles of
[1:08:38] the Nemo Road to get ahead of a chip
seal. route and crack seal one mile of
[1:08:43] the Kirk City road
going in line with the section that we
[1:08:49] just route and crack sealed and that
will get that whole road ready to chip
[1:08:54] seal. Um as always we have on here to
gravel 20.5 miles of road fluoride 120
[1:09:00] miles of road striping 85 miles of road
and the replacement and repairs of
[1:09:06] culprits and small bridges. We also have
on here and this is what the state's
[1:09:09] more interested And that would be our
bridge construction. Um this will for 27
[1:09:16] we're we have grants in place for the
two Nemo structures and those will be
[1:09:22] those will be constructed in 2027.
[clears throat] We also have on here the
[1:09:28] uh
the bridge on the Whitewood service
[1:09:31] road. That's a local federal grant
that's in place. Um I believe that
[1:09:36] bridge is again it it got delayed again.
We're now hoping that in November it
[1:09:41] goes to a bid ready. So I guess we'll
see.
[1:09:46] Um and also on our 27 plan would be
applied for a construction grant uh for
[1:09:53] the west highway 14.
In 28 we have an asphalt mill and
[1:09:58] overlay and this would be for the
section of road that on the Nemo road
[1:10:02] that we left out because of
base stabilization issues. Um, so that's
[1:10:08] on there to be taken care of in 2028 if
needed.
[1:10:13] We are also got um roughly 14 miles of
chip seal, I'm sorry, 18 miles of chip
[1:10:21] seal on for 28 uh route and crack seal
another section of the Nemo Road and get
[1:10:26] it ready for chip seal. Route and crack
seal 4.558 miles of the St. Non road and
[1:10:33] have it ready for a chip seal. Again,
the graveling of 20.5 miles of road,
[1:10:40] chloriting of 121 miles road, striping
of 85 miles of pavement, replacing a
[1:10:45] pair of small structures, and then to
build
[1:10:50] build a new bridge on the on West 14
pending the grant if we get a grant in
[1:10:57] the [clears throat] replacement of small
structure. This would be a part of the
[1:11:00] RA program. uh in 2029 that wraith
program sunsets and we have to either uh
[1:11:06] use the money for a for a project that
qualifies or we have to give the money
[1:11:11] back to the state. I believe our last
amount we have is 117,000 in that fund.
[1:11:17] I believe
>> it's a little bit more than that.
[1:11:19] » A little bit more than that. So
>> in that area,
[1:11:24] » we are eligible to use that fund on
county secondary roads only for small
[1:11:30] structures only.
We don't have very many that qualify,
[1:11:34] but we have a couple and we have
identified these two projects and that
[1:11:37] would be the
a culvert on the Kirk Road that would be
[1:11:41] on the the Louis end of the Kirk Road.
Um we have a
[1:11:48] small structure there that's it's pretty
narrow and the bottom is also rusting
[1:11:52] out. We also have down on the Bulgar
Creek Road, we have a low water crossing
[1:11:57] where there's some cracking and
[clears throat]
[1:11:59] some uh delamination of the concrete
approach. So those would be the two
[1:12:04] projects we've identified that qualify
for the rate fund and that is in our
[1:12:09] 2028, giving us a little time if we have
to move them to 29, we can still use
[1:12:16] those funds.
And then also on 28 we're we would like
[1:12:21] to apply for a grant the PE grant for uh
the camp comfort structure.
[1:12:28] Now I will note that we are in our uh in
our bridge inventory. We're down to only
[1:12:33] eight structures that are in poor
condition and four of them are currently
[1:12:38] in the process of being replaced. That
would be the two Nemo bridges, the
[1:12:42] Elmore bridge and the uh Whitewood
Service Road bridge. Uh the they're both
[1:12:47] federal high those Elmore and Whitewood
Surf Short are federal local federal
[1:12:52] highway. Those are in place. The work
just hasn't been done. Those four
[1:12:56] bridges are funded. They're in the
program and they'll that'll get us down
[1:13:00] to four four bridges that are in poor
poor condition which are are reflected
[1:13:05] in this 5-year plan.
So in 2029 [clears throat]
[1:13:09] we have an asphalt mill overlay of the
upper valley road asphalt mill and
[1:13:14] overlay of west highway 14 for the one
mile within city limits
[1:13:21] chip seal 4.58 miles of stage chip seal
3.63 63 miles of the Nemo Road. Route
[1:13:26] crack seal another section of the Nemo
Road. route and crack seal 3.58 miles of
[1:13:32] acorn ridge again regravel 20.5 miles of
gravel road night 121.5 miles of gravel
[1:13:40] road striping of 85 miles of pavement
the replacement and repairs of small
[1:13:45] bridges and struct structures and then
apply for the PE grant for 41 239 259
[1:13:52] which is a the last of our box beam
bridges and that's down by the benchmark
[1:13:57] road on the Nemo
[1:14:02] Some of these bridges are also pending
our our uh inspection that was conducted
[1:14:07] this year. We don't have that yet. We
don't have the results.
[1:14:14] And also apply for a big construction
grant on that camp for one that we the
[1:14:18] previous year that grant application. So
that takes us to 20 2030 and again we're
[1:14:23] getting a little further out so things
are starting to change. You'll notice
[1:14:26] the dollar amounts get less and less and
the projects become less and less. So um
[1:14:32] chip seal 3.63 miles of the Nemo road,
chip seal and fog seal 3.58 miles of a
[1:14:37] camper ridge road and crack seal 3.63
miles of the Nemo road route track seal
[1:14:43] another section of 4.8 8 miles of the
binocular
[1:14:47] regravel 20 m of gravel road mag
fluoride 121 miles of gravel road
[1:14:53] striping 85 miles of pavement replace
and repair culverts and small bridges
[1:14:58] preservation of the the deck on the
yellow creek road. This is a bridge that
[1:15:03] [clears throat]
it is actually one of our bridges that's
[1:15:06] in poor condition but it does not it
does not meet any requirement for a
[1:15:10] grant. It's It's in too poor shape
and too old to qualify for a
[1:15:18] preservation grant, but it's not load
posted and it's not in bad enough
[1:15:22] condition to warrant a replacement. It's
in the middle right now. Again, we'll
[1:15:28] see how our our our bridge inspection
has come in this year. We did in house
[1:15:34] last year. We did kind of our poor man's
overlay. We did our own preservation on
[1:15:38] it. So far, holding [clears throat] up
well. I'm kind of excited to see how
[1:15:44] that turns out with the uh the
inspection to see what they thought of
[1:15:47] it, but I'll let you know. But it is
also on our on our plan to uh to do some
[1:15:55] sort of preservation on that bridge.
It's a lot of traffic. It's a lot of
[1:15:58] heavy traffic.
we [clears throat] can get that
[1:16:03] if we can get that repaired before it
fails or because before it gets to a
[1:16:07] point where it needs replaced, I think
that would be a win for everybody in the
[1:16:10] county. So, uh it is in our five-year
plan. So, if funding does change and
[1:16:15] becomes eligible, we'll it will be
ready.
[1:16:20] Um we also have in 30 uh
u
[1:16:27] to build and construct the bridge on the
camp comfort pending the grant that we
[1:16:31] applied for the previous year and apply
for a construction grant for for that
[1:16:37] box beam bridge on the Nemo
and that takes us down to 2031 and that
[1:16:42] is to pave 1.5 miles of the Mland Road
from Christensen Drive to Forest Park.
[1:16:49] Pave 1.44 miles of Hill Street and North
Titan Road. Pave 1.6 miles of Mcwigan
[1:16:55] Road. Chip seal 3.63 miles of the Ne
Road. Chip seal and boil 4.8 miles of
[1:17:01] the Knock Canyon Road. Proud and crack
seal 9.5 miles of road. We don't have
[1:17:06] the roads identified at this time. So
it'll be just on our pavement condition
[1:17:11] list as how those will fall out in the
future.
[1:17:17] Regravel 20.5 miles of road. Manclorate
125 or 121.5
[1:17:23] miles of gravel road strike pavement
mark 85 miles of pavement. Replace and
[1:17:28] repair culverts on small bridges and
build new bridge 41, 239, 259 on the new
[1:17:33] road pending a big present or a big
replacement.
[1:17:38] And that is the end of the fiveyear
plan. I have also included for your
[1:17:44] review our gravel plan. We have changed
quite a little on our gravel plan where
[1:17:49] we are to the point where we are our
10-year gravel plan is
[1:17:55] I would say not as necessary.
We are now to the point our gravel roads
[1:18:00] are in a condition where we can do these
on a as needed basis.
[1:18:06] I think we're to the point where we
don't have to do 4 in lifts on our
[1:18:09] gravel roads. We have some roads that
are going to always require a 4-in lift
[1:18:13] because the amount of traffic and the
amount of snow plowing they get, but a
[1:18:17] lot of our gravel roads are to the point
where we're going to be able to do 2 in
[1:18:21] really reduce the amount of gravel. So,
in our five-year plan where we list that
[1:18:26] 20 miles, that's going to be there's
going to be a lot of adjustments to that
[1:18:30] coming, a lot of savings in our gravel
program. I do have though our our tenure
[1:18:36] our dead our tenure gravel plan. just
it's a good tool to have to we know when
[1:18:42] they were last traveled. We can keep an
assessment of their condition and then
[1:18:46] we'll go forward back. From now on we're
doing our gravel
[1:18:50] more on a a needed basis as opposed to
just it's their turn. So I know yeah
[1:18:57] just question
there was some minimum maintenance roads
[1:19:02] on here. Yep.
>> And so those are just kind of as needed
[1:19:05] I assume. Absolutely needed.
>> Yep. Mr. Ala Jar John, you were I think
[1:19:10] you're working with South Dakota State
and they're looking at your your gra
[1:19:13] you're an example of a coming at your
gravel roads. Is that right?
[1:19:17] [clears throat]
>> That's correct.
[1:19:18] » And um are they are they impressed with
how your roads
[1:19:22] » Well, they're using uh they're using the
Mland road. They're they're uh doing
[1:19:27] [clears throat] a gravel quality study
on that. They came and take course
[1:19:30] samples twice now. um South Dakota State
University with the South Dakota
[1:19:36] Department of Transportation. They're
trying to come up with a uh
[1:19:40] a quarry gravel specification for road
surfacing which doesn't exist. And uh
[1:19:47] they're using our roads because we have
such an abundance of quarry gravel and
[1:19:52] we exclusively use quarry nearly
exclusively use quarry gravel and uh
[1:19:59] yeah they are impressed. That road has
been holding up well. They've came done
[1:20:05] several tests, durometer testing,
poor samples, and [clears throat]
[1:20:12] and ride quality testing. We'll see how
that plays out. It's a two-year test, a
[1:20:17] two-year study.
>> Didn't you say part of that's because of
[1:20:22] the chloride, magnesium chloride using
our case? For sure. We our extens our
[1:20:29] extensive use of chloride is something
that they're very interested in. Not
[1:20:33] many counties in the state use chloride
to the extent we I know it gets a lot of
[1:20:38] negative and positive feedback, but uh
the uh the inconveniences are certainly
[1:20:45] outweighed by the performance of the of
those roads.
[1:20:50] I just ask one question just to follow
up on Corey gravel. Could you explain
[1:20:53] what corey gravel is versus other kinds
of gravel? So pory gravel is you have
[1:20:59] gravel pits aluvial type gravel glacial
type gravel that's just dug up
[1:21:05] uh screened
on occasion crushed to to get it to a
[1:21:10] size determined and it's mixed with the
the natural binder that's in that that
[1:21:15] type of soil or gravel is it's ledge
rock that is drilled blasted and crushed
[1:21:22] and the crusher fines are what become
the binder in those materials. Um, it
[1:21:28] they have they both have a their
different uses, but as far as a a road
[1:21:33] surfacing, quarry gravel is not normally
used. It's uh it's been considered over
[1:21:40] the years a [clears throat] softer type
material. It it is also considered a
[1:21:44] type of material that um
it doesn't have binders, so it's just
[1:21:50] loose gravel, loose rock to see. Well,
Lawrence County found a way to to make
[1:21:57] or gravel work for surface material. It
does require the use of chloride, but it
[1:22:02] takes a cementation process and it
becomes a hard surface that stays in
[1:22:07] place. Um I I believe some of the
majority of our livesto travel is harder
[1:22:14] than a lot in the [clears throat] state.
But um this study that we're that the
[1:22:18] state is doing and that South Dakota
State University is doing is taking in
[1:22:22] account is working with granite
materials, quartzite materials and
[1:22:27] limestone. So I think it's in the
eastern northeastern part of the state
[1:22:32] they're using I believe it's the port
site in the south eastern part of the
[1:22:36] state they're using the uh the uh
I guess the granite
[1:22:43] we we're the test for the limestone
>> I was just going to go back to the the
[1:22:49] way you know fiveyear plan has worked
it's it's I wouldn't say it's exactly a
[1:22:54] wish list but that's kind of what it is
what people starting stuff which has
[1:22:59] come up in the past. Paving of Mland
Paving and paving those bins. That's an
[1:23:05] ideal. We'd like to get to that, but it
might be 2031. It might be 2039. It
[1:23:11] might be It just depends on how things
could be sooner, could be later. That's
[1:23:15] the further down that list, the less
>> well accurate that is.
[1:23:19] » I don't I just Is that true?
>> That is true. And I
[1:23:23] just for clarification and transparency,
I moved those two projects to the end of
[1:23:29] the list. They they've been up further
and they we just move them back. It all
[1:23:35] depends on funding. Just because it's on
this list, like you just described it as
[1:23:39] a wish list, does not mean it gets to it
happens. It's on the list and it's on
[1:23:44] the list for the reason that if if
funding becomes available through the
[1:23:48] state and we try to get a gr for any of
these projects, it has to be on this
[1:23:54] list. So for the [clears throat]
majority, it's bridges. That's their
[1:23:59] main focus. But if there is any paving
type of grants available, any kind of
[1:24:05] [clears throat]
the safe streets for all type grants,
[1:24:08] which is a federal grant, you have to
have it in some sort of a
[1:24:12] five-year plan or master transportation
plan. Some of these came from our master
[1:24:16] transportation plan that we just did a
couple years ago. So, it has to be in
[1:24:20] our our our plan or or it's not
eligible. It can be updated at any time,
[1:24:27] but if there's anything in there that
you'd like to add or delete,
[1:24:31] if it's simple, just tell me and we'll
do it. But, uh, at this time, if it's
[1:24:35] not in this plan, we're not eligible for
the for the programs.
[1:24:39] » Mr. Homer,
>> I think this is great information. Um,
[1:24:43] particularly when you start talking
about the tons that are required to do
[1:24:46] this type of work and the associated
with that. I was wondering those
[1:24:51] tonnages, you're not including the
tonnage of gravel that's going into the
[1:24:54] pavement [clears throat] projects or
anything like that.
[1:24:57] » That's just gravel.
>> Yeah, that's just gravel. So I I mean if
[1:25:00] I was to look at that again, I think
that would be an important one so people
[1:25:04] understand the amount of material that
goes into you know 31 the miles that are
[1:25:09] going out for paving repavement or
whatever because that's material needs
[1:25:14] in the county.
>> Great job.
[1:25:18] Okay. Do you have a question?
>> No. [clears throat]
[1:25:20] » Okay.
>> I have also included our five-year
[1:25:23] equipment plan based on roughly a
$400,000
[1:25:27] per year uh budget for equipment and we
have changed that a little bit of that.
[1:25:34] I know 27 for our budget we had we've
moved the truck up because we had
[1:25:39] recently lost a truck in an accident.
Excuse me. And then we also switched
[1:25:44] around a mini excavator with an owner.
We don't own a mini excavator at this
[1:25:49] time, but we see the value in owning
mini excavator. We've been renting
[1:25:54] excavators a lot lately. A mini would be
a little bit smaller than what we've
[1:25:59] been renting, but I I believe it would
be very beneficial for us to own that.
[1:26:05] Um the rest of our fiveyear equipment
plan is is
[1:26:09] see what's there. Our
equipment's good, but it's
[1:26:14] [clears throat] it's best to keep
proactive and keep our equipment stay on
[1:26:18] the warranty program.
Um, I don't have anything else in this
[1:26:23] 5-year plan. It's pretty dry material,
but uh but it's necessary to to present
[1:26:31] it. I would be looking for a motion to
have the chairman sign this. Um, you
[1:26:37] guys have anything you would like to
change?
[1:26:40] I can certainly wait and change
[clears throat] it. If you'd like to do
[1:26:44] a you'd like something changed and then
review it or if you're fine with the way
[1:26:49] it is, this is how I will submit it to
the state.
[1:26:58] Second
all everybody
[1:27:05] motion and comr second to approve the
fiveyear plan as presented and and
[1:27:10] authorize. [clears throat]
Any other questions? All those in favor
[1:27:14] say I. Any oppose? Nay. Okay. Motion
carries. Thank you, John.
[1:27:19] » Thank you.
[1:27:36] public hearing.
[1:27:42] » Yeah, we're probably just have to take
another recess here for a few minutes.
[1:27:45] We have a public hearing at 9:30 that we
have to be on time for.
[1:33:42] All
[1:33:50] right, it is 9:30. We'll come back to
order. It is 9:30 [clears throat] and
[1:33:54] time. This is the time and place for a
public hearing for the 2027 budget.
[1:34:01] Do you have any presentation on this? I
can just say that they did receive the
[1:34:07] um centrally assessed property from the
state have entered it. Um the values um
[1:34:14] from the
centrally assessed property for um
[1:34:19] overall um went down 1,34,915
[1:34:25] [clears throat] and the um just the fire
protection district went down $510,687.
[1:34:33] So the budget that I um published in the
paper um had a mill of 2.833
[1:34:41] entering in um this preliminarily um
moved it to 2.834.
[1:34:47] So that was the difference by the
decrease of the centrally
[1:34:51] [clears throat] assessed property. So
other than that that is um all I have to
[1:34:56] report. Everything else is um stays the
same.
[1:35:00] » Okay. Uh being this is a public hearing,
we invite any public comment that you
[1:35:05] have. If you would like to make a
comment on the budget and we just ask
[1:35:08] that you stand and state your name and
address [clears throat] or so we capture
[1:35:12] the minutes. Anybody in the gallery
here?
[1:35:16] Is anybody online that would have to
make a comment on the 2027 budget?
[1:35:25] Seeing none, I will close the public
hearing.
[1:35:33] Notice that we had no comments yet. It's
>> interesting that we uh know the budget
[1:35:39] is what really affects the property
taxes, but we've not had any comments
[1:35:43] concerns about the whole process as we
>> Mr. Chair.
[1:35:47] » Yes.
>> Um so the idea would be to take no
[1:35:49] action today other than public hearing
and then present it to you at your next
[1:35:52] meeting I think on the 22nd for ultimate
approval.
[1:35:56] [clears throat] keeping track at home.
>> Thank you all very much.
[1:36:00] » I will also add that we are doing this
today uh on the first Tuesday of
[1:36:05] September to comply with state statute
for public hearings for [clears throat]
[1:36:10] which is why we had to move the meeting
to a different time.
[1:36:15] All right, with that we can move back
into board of adjustment.
[1:36:18] » Motion to recess as county commission
and reconvene as adjustment.
[1:36:25] » Moved by Flanigan, seconded by Tisdale
to recess as county commission and
[1:36:28] reconvene as board of adjustment. All
those in favor say I.
[1:36:32] » Oppose nay.
>> Okay.
[1:36:34] » Uh Jeff, are you setting this up?
>> I am. Good morning. Um we're going to do
[1:36:39] the annual review for CP 498, which is
the Larsson pit. I have Bill and Brian
[1:36:45] from Cole here to uh answer any
questions or whatever you might have.
[1:36:51] Um, as you aware, we've had a couple
complaints. We had one on the 3rd of
[1:36:56] August. It was a kind of wind came up
and they couldn't get it shut down. I
[1:37:02] sent you all the information, the
response patrol and how that worked. Um,
[1:37:07] we had another one later in the month
that was more of a uh question. wanted
[1:37:11] to know how how the trucks were weighed
because they notic they weren't using
[1:37:14] scale at the time and so once we found
out they were doing the bucket weighing
[1:37:20] um that seemed to answer the question
and took care of that. Um we did get two
[1:37:26] more uh complaints yesterday. This is
from Sunday and I sent those to you uh
[1:37:32] when that sudden outburst of wind came
up that 245. It was National Weather
[1:37:39] Service measured it at 52 miles an hour
downtown Spearfish.
[1:37:43] Um, of course the wind blew real fast
and real hard. Didn't last long. I did
[1:37:48] forward to them guys and I forward to
you guys for that. Other than that, we
[1:37:53] believe they're following all the
conditions. Um, what one of the
[1:37:57] conditions the final ones is that for
the first year they're allowed to do
[1:38:00] 150,000
K. Um the commission has the option to
[1:38:06] raise that if they wish up to 250k
according to the conditions. So with
[1:38:13] that I'll turn it over to uh
[clears throat] Bill and Brian
[1:38:18] Brian Martin. I'm from 685 Denver valley
roads Wyoming
[1:38:24] here to answer any questions or concerns
that you have. the uh we ceased
[1:38:29] operations at the pit on last Thursday.
We wanted a drone fly. We knew we were
[1:38:37] getting close, so we flew with a drone.
Then we took the tonnages that we had
[1:38:44] run across the scale and come up with
around 141,000 per 100 15,000.
[1:38:50] So we just thought, well, that'd be a
good stopping point. So on Friday, we're
[1:38:57] pull [clears throat] starts pulling
conveyors out
[1:39:04] two the dust complaints come from
basically you really quick wind events
[1:39:10] they were running the first time
they were running and front must come
[1:39:17] through kick a bunch of dust off of the
come off the crusher also and off the
[1:39:22] large base course pile and when you're
running a crusher You can't just turn
[1:39:27] the key off. That's the cycleer. All our
crushers are plugged up with lock. Takes
[1:39:34] a long time to clean them out. You have
to clean them up by hand and it's
[1:39:36] dangerous. So, it takes a while to get
those pressures clean and then they shut
[1:39:41] off. I was notified honestly by one of
your commissioners said it's getting
[1:39:45] dusty here. So, I called the foreman and
he said we shut off. He said we just got
[1:39:51] a sight.
So then they went and got water and
[1:39:57] watered the pile.
If you look at at our reports, I put in
[1:40:04] a wage report for the men and we work
410.
[1:40:09] Uh that's what we've worked forever.
There's some comments on Facebook that
[1:40:13] it's taken us longer to I think I told
them it's going to take two to three
[1:40:17] months. taking us the whole three
because we're running 410s and you look
[1:40:23] at our time about 25% of our run time is
stopped because of the environmental
[1:40:30] events.
So we effectively shut down that is
[1:40:34] shown on our
report that we sent from you that we
[1:40:39] got. [clears throat]
So we've hauled a little over Yeah.
[1:40:44] Right. So we hauled over 400,000 gallons
of water for best suppression out there.
[1:40:51] We have
put
[1:40:56] calcium chloride on the hall roads.
[1:41:02] Put uh seismographs.
They contract blasting
[1:41:08] blasting company that does it. They put
seismographs out and the only meeting
[1:41:14] that you get are within
2,000 [clears throat] ft of blast. You
[1:41:19] get out to around 3,000 ft. It doesn't
even trigger the size of grass.
[1:41:25] We did
requiring us requires us to do the
[1:41:30] [clears throat] sampling.
Bill's the smart one of the two of us.
[1:41:35] He's the environmental. So anyway, he uh
MSR required has started requiring us to
[1:41:41] do
[clears throat]
[1:41:43] surveys on on the silica exposure, the
crushing operations and it shows in here
[1:41:50] that there is no silica in the dust
at this point. So it's highlighted in
[1:41:56] your packets. So you hear comments it's
an independent agency that reports to we
[1:42:02] have to give the report to MH so it is
legit
[1:42:08] will not
[1:42:14] » did I understand that Friday this last
Friday when you shut down that you guys
[1:42:18] had watered the big uh the big pile
before you left but and you did try to
[1:42:23] suppress it with water.
>> Yeah. and it evaporates and we aren't
[1:42:27] working now Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
last Friday we did.
[1:42:33] So Saturday and Sunday there's no one at
the pit and next year you know now I
[1:42:39] invite you guys to come out and see it
but we've got a hit there now that's
[1:42:42] establish it's on one side is 40 ft deep
the other side is 30 ft or so and it's
[1:42:48] probably about an acre in size maybe a
little bit longer bigger but our
[1:42:52] intention is next time to put the the
base course andor the
[1:42:59] fine pile in the hole because the South
is what was the bar
[1:43:06] this year starting from scratch. Had to
go somewhere.
[1:43:12] » Brian, you mentioned the error sampling
report. I didn't have it up. Is this
[1:43:15] what you were referring to?
>> Yes. And if you go down here, it's
[1:43:18] highlighted. And this is kind of a kind
of nice know that all your I would
[1:43:24] expect.
[1:43:29] I know that was a big thing at the
previous year. So that so all the
[1:43:34] neighbors can eas
[1:43:48] [clears throat]
[1:44:02] Well, you said it takes a while to cycle
through the crushing equipment. How long
[1:44:06] does it take to cycle through when you
shut?
[1:44:08] » I would say honestly 15 20 minutes.
Yeah, because you got you got a big pop
[1:44:13] of SP just slowly feeds and then it goes
from one pressure to the next pressure
[1:44:18] next and each point you know it takes a
long time that last
[1:44:26] » I was up there the day that she wind
what I'd call it up there I was raking
[1:44:31] hay and then my hay disappeared and and
I I think you and I did visit but I went
[1:44:37] over there and I thought it was about 10
minutes it took to unload everything and
[1:44:40] shut down and
uh
[1:44:44] I do own the property right next to it
and I haven't had any dust on my place.
[1:44:48] So
I think all in all you guys have done an
[1:44:52] excellent job. Russia flag. I'm
>> one of the first jobs I had up at up at
[1:44:58] Homestake was sitting in the
[clears throat] in the in the head
[1:45:00] frame. And I can tell you what, when
those things shut off and you got to
[1:45:03] clean it by hand, it is the most
miserable thing you can do. Whether it's
[1:45:07] 20 below in the winter time or it's 90
degrees in the summertime, it's not
[1:45:11] above.
>> That stuff can freeze in the pocket.
[1:45:17] » You might have to blast it out then.
>> Yeah.
[1:45:24] when you break the rock that the jaw
doesn't swing in
[1:45:34] that's the view from chairman from I
think the cedar subdivision see
[1:45:42] the view
[1:45:45] we're out there yesterday west
>> yeah which file do you propose to down
[1:45:52] in the pit.
>> The big white one.
[1:45:54] » The base course, right, Brian?
>> Yeah, the base course. The big one you
[1:45:56] see.
>> That's the only one I've ever seen any
[1:45:59] dust
>> above the pit itself.
[1:46:04] » We have nowhere else to put. So, it's on
probably the worst.
[1:46:11] You put it in the hole.
[1:46:15] » That's true.
>> And there would be enough space there
[1:46:18] even if we raise the limits.
Mr. Um, just a note, this is one of the
[1:46:24] subdivision roads in the vicinity there.
We're driving on going the speed limit
[1:46:28] and that's how dusty that was. I tried
to get out and casually
[1:46:32] time I could get out the situation. The
roads are point is the roads are dusty
[1:46:36] too far. It's been very dry.
>> It is.
[1:46:39] » Yeah, that's not the county road.
[1:46:49] » Any other questions for Mr.
[1:46:55] Okay, thank you.
[1:47:08] » Unless you want to change the tonnage.
>> Well, I Mr. Chairman,
[1:47:13] » I thought we already established that
when we set all this up that the
[1:47:16] following year they go to 250. I thought
that was already established. condition
[1:47:21] said I have it actually yes and no um it
says maximum of 150k tons mined in the
[1:47:29] first year with no significant issues
and then we'll be allowed to increase to
[1:47:33] 250 tons the second year and thereafter
subject to all the conditions thereafter
[1:47:38] so as long as you prove it as a
a favorable review has no significant
[1:47:46] issues so that's correct depends on how
significant issues
[1:47:55] We've not had any formal written
complaints or
[1:47:59] » we've had three four well
>> four
[1:48:02] » signed by people.
>> Yes. Yes.
[1:48:05] » Yeah. I was unaware of that.
>> If I may. The first one was a
[1:48:07] significant wind event. The next one was
from a week or two ago questioning
[1:48:10] whether the scale was being used. And
then there was the two over the weekend.
[1:48:14] So I think there's four total this past
weekend. Yes.
[1:48:22] But how do you deal for those wind those
both of those wind events where
[1:48:28] I mean they just come up? Nobody can
plan for that.
[1:48:36] Did the dust reach the road? I think
that's the question that I have. Did the
[1:48:40] dust stay on the on the Larsson property
or did it see the boundaries? The first
[1:48:46] wind I was up there, the dust did not
reach the road and as far as I know, it
[1:48:52] was all right there on the Larsson
property
[1:48:56] that I'm aware of. I didn't get any over
on my side. I was busy chasing.
[1:49:01] » I don't I don't have the one of the uh
complaints from this weekend available
[1:49:05] right at hand, but I think the complaint
was it was on the road, I think, wasn't
[1:49:09] it? I think
>> what was stated yet? I think I can pull
[1:49:13] it up, but I don't have it right there.
>> I think my Amazon package was in the
[1:49:16] neighbor's house and that's 300 feet
from my driveway where it was sitting.
[1:49:23] » It just everything just disappeared.
>> Mr. Chairman, we were out there. I think
[1:49:28] as Brian confirmed, they did try to
water I think on Friday before they
[1:49:31] left, but it's dry and windy.
>> 24% humidity that water stay
[1:49:39] » and we have we have followed up on
complaint and they've been very
[1:49:42] responsive each and every time.
>> Commissioner F, I I guess my my opinion
[1:49:48] would be to leave it again for another
year, but
[1:49:51] the board
that's take no action at this time, but
[1:50:00] I'm just one of five.
[clears throat]
[1:50:05] I guess we kind of led him to believe
that the following year would be two
[1:50:09] pips and go.
That's what I recall.
[1:50:18] And by them putting the
road base in the pit next year is going
[1:50:23] to alleviate a lot of problems
that people seem to think that's there.
[1:50:29] » I know you got your road base going in
the pit. What was the other product
[1:50:33] going in the pit? Possibly. So there's a
there's down over the hill next to the
[1:50:38] trees there's a pressure
it's actually
[1:50:45] yeah we can get it in
[1:50:51] the material coming off the transfer
belts things like that
[1:50:59] I know
[1:51:04] You wouldn't have a problem increasing
it maybe 200 if
[1:51:10] guaranteed that that pile won't be down
in the pit.
[1:51:17] » Check.
>> Does this picture help to everyone to
[1:51:21] depict for one of these what's going on?
Understand
[1:51:26] that one.
of our drone flight.
[1:51:34] [clears throat]
[1:51:43] Do you know what if it was in one of
these packets? This is what I have.
[1:51:49] [clears throat]
[1:52:01] cover like that.
[1:52:07] The
sales chart
[1:52:12] number on it.
[1:52:22] production report.
>> It's after that. [clears throat]
[1:52:29] » It's not this one.
[1:52:32] » The production report.
[1:52:44] It has sales activity from location as
the first.
[1:52:49] [clears throat]
[1:52:54] It's not in that.
[1:53:10] online.
[1:53:16] » It's in the drive. It's right here.
>> Okay, let me get it. Okay, I got to go
[1:53:20] to a different
[1:53:39] after the blast
information.
[1:53:50] So when it says it's lar
[1:53:58] I'm sorry
>> I hope that helps
[1:54:01] picture maybe another one understand
that's the drone play is that there
[1:54:09] » from Friday or this weekend
>> you want me to show you what
[1:54:13] » can you just kind of explain picture
>> okay
[1:54:17] » so this is the cut we're doing
This is daylighted in the
[1:54:25] rain. This right here is like 40 ft deep
here all the way through here.
[1:54:31] [clears throat] This is 30 ft. So this
pile is pile that is the pile that's in
[1:54:39] right now. It's really windy. It's not
that long. This we would put over here
[1:54:44] up against the base.
in the hole. We turn all this around.
[1:54:50] This will all be gone. We're currently,
this is a shot that is all ready to go.
[1:54:55] So, we're progressing like this. So, we
turn everything around like this. This
[1:55:00] in the hole
our stuff
[1:55:07] goes up and across the top, right?
>> Yeah. here.
[1:55:12] » So, Brian, do you um move that pile
actually in there or does that pile get
[1:55:17] sold and then when you as you crush
more, it stays in the fit?
[1:55:20] » Yeah, this gets sold.
>> Okay.
[1:55:22] » Once I'm not moving in here, I don't
have enough room.
[1:55:25] » Yeah. Yeah.
>> I got to get rid of these piles.
[1:55:28] » So, everybody understands?
>> Yeah. And then once they're gone, then
[1:55:31] I'll come back in here and then reset my
hole everything
[1:55:36] in the hole. And maybe this
I think it's this one. Oh, that's one of
[1:55:45] these smaller piles.
>> I think it's your littlest one, isn't
[1:55:48] it?
>> Yeah, it might be that one. That's 38.
[1:55:51] Might
that one,
[1:55:57] but right now it's kind of covered
because this pile here is huge. This
[1:56:01] pile here.
>> You don't get any dust off of those back
[1:56:05] there.
>> Yeah,
[1:56:07] it kind of screens it.
That's the
[1:56:13] [clears throat]
>> This was always the plan, wasn't it? To
[1:56:16] move into the hole as you had.
>> That's the way I always portray it. You
[1:56:20] know, once get bigger, then I can set
this inside this hole. Then as we press
[1:56:26] this way, this gets reclaimed.
Just press
[1:56:32] » you're always keeping the pile of hole
>> that comes back material.
[1:56:36] » Yeah. That was too much across the top
is that builder straight at top you
[1:56:40] scrape off over
>> one's over one's top
[1:56:44] and the road if we ever get that going
down the hill
[1:56:50] » I talk they're going to allow us to use
the overburden at one point
[1:57:01] » how long do you anticipate it taking to
get the big pile hole out of there
[1:57:05] [clears throat]
so
[1:57:08] Hopefully tomorrow
[1:57:16] » usually you'll be crushing by then.
>> No, you won't.
[1:57:20] » No, I I don't have enough room to
>> That's
[1:57:29] just
my question.
[1:57:37] So Ryan, we have like one person out
there monitoring the site and selling
[1:57:40] it. Is that what happens from now on?
>> Yeah. So, so how that work?
[1:57:44] [clears throat]
We have one motor operator. We're going
[1:57:47] to hire a guy just run motor there and
then we have the scale. You'll see guys
[1:57:52] come across the scale and it's all
automated now. So when they come across,
[1:57:56] they'll tear in. They'll get their tear
away. We remotely do that with a
[1:58:01] secretary in Sunday
[1:58:06] number
[clears throat]
[1:58:09] back there with the load operator get
loaded comes back around the camera with
[1:58:16] Sundance
out their ticket.
[1:58:21] That's That's why everybody's excited
that steel
[1:58:29] is the scale wasn't working before, but
it's going to be working or used to
[1:58:32] bucket but is working now.
>> Yeah, we had
[1:58:38] it takes a lot to get that system.
>> I saw it yesterday.
[1:58:42] » Yeah, it's pretty neat.
[1:58:50] You want to address?
>> Yeah.
[1:58:54] » Brian, do you have a do you need to when
do you need to know if you have extra
[1:58:57] capacity? Is it premature to do it now?
I suppose you'd like to know that or can
[1:59:00] that wait?
[1:59:05] » [clears throat]
>> I'm going to go ahead and make a motion
[1:59:07] that we allow them to go to the 250,000
ton that the state allows and what we
[1:59:14] allow in our permits for next year.
>> I'll second and move by second by Homer
[1:59:22] to increase the limit of the amount of
uh gravel that Pearl can take out of
[1:59:29] Larson pit to 250,000. Any further or
any more discussion on this? I think
[1:59:35] we're a little personal opinion.
[1:59:49] » Any further discussion? We should
probably do a roll call.
[1:59:54] » Hi.
>> Hi.
[1:59:56] » Homer.
>> Hi.
[1:59:58] » Flanigan.
think I'm an A on this for the same same
[2:00:02] reason
right now.
[2:00:06] » So motion passes 3 to two. So we will
raise those limits to 250,000 and
[2:00:12] appreciate the report
[2:00:22] that it
amess
[2:00:27] as recess the board of adjustment and
come back as county commission.
[2:00:32] » Then moved by Flanigan, seconded by
Tisdale to recess the board
[2:00:36] [clears throat] of adjustment and
reconvene at the county commission. All
[2:00:39] in favor say I. Oppos? Nay.
[clears throat]
[2:00:44] » Do we have anything left in the agenda?
>> Items in public.
[2:00:48] Yep.
[2:01:01] We will move into items from the public.
Then there's anybody that would like to
[2:01:05] uh stand and give us any comments, you
just ask that you stand and uh give us
[2:01:09] your name and address and and uh make
your comments.
[2:01:14] » I'm Markworth 1912.
Um I would ask respectfully that you
[2:01:19] guys consider putting the comments to
the beginning of the meeting. See the
[2:01:23] agenda. It has a really bad like you're
going to do what you're going to do
[2:01:28] without any input from here. And I know
it's been said in the past, well, we're
[2:01:32] accessible,
but we know that some people show up,
[2:01:37] they say things, and certain times
there was no time the week before to
[2:01:43] know all the information. So, I don't
see the problem with putting the
[2:01:47] comments beginning. I know the city
council does it. You guys already I
[2:01:52] assume are going to stick to the pattern
of not having discussion about what
[2:01:55] people say which is insulting enough and
I've gone around the city with that to
[2:02:00] act like we could come and say something
you won't even acknowledge or address it
[2:02:04] but I would ask you guys to consider
comments at the beginning of the meeting
[2:02:09] for the public.
Thank you for your comment. Anybody
[2:02:14] else?
Anybody online?
[2:02:18] Mrs. Merchant has her hand up, but um
she able to
[2:02:23] think so.
[2:02:28] I don't have her muted.
>> Did she list any comments? Do we have
[2:02:32] written comments or not?
[2:02:38] » Raising my hand. So, are you able to do
a public comment, Miss Merchant, or
[2:02:46] you
[2:02:57] » I think she should be able to
>> I know last time she had trouble getting
[2:03:03] the the computer to work, so she had to
call in.
[2:03:06] She certainly do that now. Anybody
[2:03:13] else?
[2:03:22] Well, why don't we move into items from
the commission and if Mrs. Merchant can
[2:03:28] get her figure out how to get in to us,
we can come back to it.
[2:03:35] » Yeah, you could email too, Mr. Mer. Try
that. Anybody
[2:03:41] or anything for the commission?
>> Yeah, I know the city has moved their
[2:03:46] comments to the front of the meeting and
I think at our planning and zoning for
[2:03:50] the city, we're moving them up.
[2:03:57] I I don't have an issue with that.
[2:04:02] I don't think it does any
[2:04:09] I don't know either. Just I've got an
email address that seems to be full of
[2:04:14] comments from these forwards or
my phone rings, but it you go either
[2:04:22] way. I guess usually at the end of the
when it turns into a complaint session
[2:04:26] about something and ahead of time, I'm
sure maybe there'll be some more
[2:04:31] constructive discussion, not discussion,
but comments. I don't know.
[2:04:35] » I agree with the current
>> I agree if they're at the beginning of
[2:04:38] the meeting might construct something
they thought about instead of just
[2:04:44] session afterwards. So yeah, guess I
don't have a problem with us moving it
[2:04:49] either. You know, if it if uh if the
public thinks that would be a better
[2:04:53] plan, then that's what we're here for.
>> Right after general business then?
[2:05:04] the chairman to decide how the meeting
goes. So,
[2:05:07] » but I don't look at it and try and see
it. It does make it uh could be
[2:05:12] challenging with public hearings uh
scheduling around those.
[2:05:18] » You did it right after
meeting public
[2:05:24] general business. I'm sorry. Do it right
after that in case somebody's late. they
[2:05:29] they make it make their comments before
we get into other things.
[2:05:34] Yeah, we're always waiting for the time
to get by anyway. So, yes,
[2:05:39] [clears throat] I don't see a big deal
one or another. It might work out
[2:05:42] better.
>> And leave
[2:05:45] items from the commissioners to the end
of the meeting. [clears throat]
[2:05:49] » Yeah.
[2:05:56] » Did you see that last time?
So you need to make her presenter.
[2:06:03] » She's a presenter and she controls.
>> Yeah, that's not really how that works.
[2:06:10] » No, I think she should be able to talk.
She's a presenter then she takes control
[2:06:13] of the I can try then she um she
controls everything.
[2:06:22] She has something else to show you.
>> No, she's in charge, right?
[2:06:25] » I believe so. Are we muting her or does
she mute herself? I'm not muting her
[2:06:33] unsenter.
[2:06:51] Um, try look like she'll let you
[2:07:00] Well, I don't think we're going to get
get this done. So, I'm sorry, Mr.
[2:07:04] Merchant. We we tried to figure out what
the what the issue is, but we'll have to
[2:07:08] continue to work on that. I think it
must be on your end, though,
[2:07:12] » [clears throat]
>> uh because other people were able to
[2:07:14] utilize it.
So if there's no other comments, I think
[2:07:19] we entertain a motion to
>> motion to adjourn
[2:07:24] motion.