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Ladies and City Council meeting, February 20, 2025.

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Local meetings? Yes, I could use the gavel. So far, I have never used it, and I appreciate you guys because I don't have to know.

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Thank you very much. There you go. This meeting starts.

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Okay, I'd like to welcome everyone out to our

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late in city council meeting this evening for February 20th.

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Our start time is 7.11.

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And we will, as cast Mary, I like to

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take turns up here on the diocese far as conducting our

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meeting, but certainly we respect the

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three of them at this country.

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And so we do want to start each meeting with a prayer and a pledge.

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And tonight, I'm going to go to the young lady here, Hannah Tork, who's willing to offer

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our prayer.

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So Hannah, would you like to come up and say in our prayer force?

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I'd do a kind of gracious and heavenly Father, we are so grateful to gather here today

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as a community.

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We're grateful for the freedoms that we are allowed in this country, and we're grateful

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for those who protect it and honor the customs.

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We ask you at this time to please bless us that this meeting can be productive and that voice

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us can be heard and parts can be softened and we ask these things humbly in the name of

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advice on Jews for Christ's payment.

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Thank you very much.

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Okay.

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In addition to that, knowing that we had so many veterans here in the crowd, Mr. Andy Vigil is

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going to lead us in the pledge of allegiance, so Andy, would you mind coming up?

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And that you can all rise?

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All rise and now, but to hands of where you are, we need to present a proper handshake.

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I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands.

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One nation, under God, and to physical with liberty and justice for all.

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Okay, thank you both very much. I really appreciate it. And typically at this point we'd go ahead and get started with our meeting. However, I had an opportunity to attend the meeting this week and

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heard a

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person that's a very fabulous voice that song our national anthem and she agreed to come here tonight to

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Sing it for us. So I'd like to introduce

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Miss Deal do that and Jill if you wouldn't like coming up and I know you don't need a mic, but

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We could just come up and then say to Crowd, we'd really appreciate them.

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You can see why I'm invited or to come to see what this is share her great talent.

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So thank you very much, Yulf.

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I do want to acknowledge that I do have a full quorum here tonight.

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Although, Councilman, Luxem is not sitting next to me.

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He is in attendance online.

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So I do want to say that this council is full body is here tonight as well.

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So, I'll now bring it back to the Council Council.

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We have one set of minutes that need to be approved, which is from our January 15, 2025 special waiting.

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So, Council, if you don't have any corrections, I'll look for some action on that.

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Madam Mayor, I did some one grammatical correction and that will be made.

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It was just a spelling error.

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So I'd move that way, except the minutes of the wait and city council special meeting from January 15, 2025, with that correction.

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Okay, it's been moved in a second that we adopt the minutes as written or with the correction that excuse me.

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All in favor, please say aye.

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Aye.

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But that's it.

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Okay, sweet.

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Okay.

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Aye.

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I heard Jack as well.

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So thank you.

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It's been accepted unanimously.

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Okay, we'll move on to our municipal announcements at this time, so I know usually we have a couple of those by our council members, so we'll turn the time over to them to make whatever announcements they have.

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Thank you, Madam Mayor. Two things from our Parks and Recreation Department. First of all, we had a great Valentine's Dance last week.

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I'm great attendance, I heard some say that it was one of the more attentive well attended.

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Could have been the great music. I think the great music was awesome. Good variety of music from the live band.

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Coming up next month, March 7th, it'll be a Friday evening from 6 to 8 p.m. at our latent branch of the Davis County Library.

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Just down the road here, we'll have a family recreation event, as I've said before, it's the day that the kids can come and be loud at the library, it's a great night for them.

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The theme this year will be space, so where your storm trip or uniforms, bring your lightsabers and have fun as a family.

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Thank you, Mayor.

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Thank you.

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Very good.

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Thank you.

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Anyone else?

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No?

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Okay.

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Well, thanks.

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I really appreciate that.

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And, like you can see, you can see here that our Parks Department really has some fun

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engaging activities that are family friendly and they try to plan at least one

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of a month.

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Anyway, thank you.

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We'll now go on.

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How do not have any verbal petitions or presentations tonight?

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However, we will move on down to our citizens comment portion of our meeting.

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So this is the portion of the meeting where if you have an item you want to bring before

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this body, you're welcome to, however, if you're here for one of our public hearing items,

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then you can hold those comments until that time and we'll hear them at the appropriate

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matter that we'll be discussing at that time, so we do ask that if you want to make any

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comments here that you can step up to either side of the podium here and state your name.

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And we ask that you keep your comments to within three minutes if possible.

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It was certainly if you represent the larger group of entertainers longer time.

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And we ask that hopefully none of the items are repeated for the information.

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And one last thing I want you to know that the citizens comment portion of our meeting

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is meant for us to receive the information we don't engage in any dialogue or debate or anything

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like that at this time but certainly we will make sure that all that is recorded and then

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reported back to us as counsel as well as you as residents. So with that I'll go ahead and turn

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the time over to you.

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My name is Travis Greene. I stand before you today as a parent and a coach

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for the past 16 years out of the privilege of coaching various sports here in leading and

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including baseball and softball to come in before you to express my deep concerns concerning

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latent cities, recent decisions not to participate in the Northern Utah All-Star Tournament

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this summer.

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This year when we went to register our kids for baseball and softball, the Parks & Merch page included

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an announcement.

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The leading city would not be participating in the All-Star Tournament this summer and instead

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would focus their efforts on the Liberty Day exhibition games.

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I've chosen this all-star tournament for the past five seasons and it can personally

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attest the incredible experience has provided our young athletes.

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The tournament allows our children to compete at a higher level of competition, extending

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their seasons and helping their development.

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It's a unique opportunity for those who might not otherwise have a chance to participate

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and get a competitive sports league.

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Many families in late and elective resources to enroll their children in competitive leagues.

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The Northern Utah All-Sorturnant has been a lifeline to these children and their families,

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offering them a chance to compete at a higher level against other cities in the county.

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The tournament has two weeks worth of pool play and tournament games.

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I have also coached in the past the exhibition games that have happened on the Fourth of July,

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and this experience cannot match the experience of the All-Sorturnary.

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Our kids already participated in the Liberty Age exhibition games, and this change has not added any benefit to them.

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By late not participating in this tournament, we diminished our competitive nature of what we've explored.

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Parents increasingly choose to sign their children up in neighboring cities like Farmington and KZL,

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believing them to offer better competition facilities and management.

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And I've had six parents from the teams I coach last year and for me that they've decided

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to move their children to other cities, or competitively solely because of this announcement.

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Losing such talent will make it harder for the remaining children to enjoy fun and competitive

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season here and later.

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I urge you to consider the decision not to participate in the Northern Youth Law all

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certain months.

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I'm not sure why the Parks and Rec and Parks and Rec Department decided not to participate.

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I'm not sure who it will benefit. It is not a benefit to our children here lately. Thank you for your time and consideration

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I also have a letter that I love a few pass around

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There are a few boys here that have participated in leading to the United States. I have a few comments. I thank you

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Good evening everyone. My name is Mikey young. I am a ninth reader and I love baseball. I played baseball through on my whole year

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all start for five. And towards it is helped me make friends and those friendships last

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long as some of the friends I've made shout out to Karen Beckett and Luke. It is also taught

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me integrity and composure to deal with losses and being a good sport also we have got an extremely

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close to winning. So I think if you give us another year we will win the championship.

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Also, there is better competition when you play in all stars other than Reck Lee, and his

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helps me get better and succeed from my dreams that they can be able to be.

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And I will try and I always try my hardest when I'm playing through all stars that is helping

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elevate my gameplay and strength.

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All in all, there are no reasons why all stars should not be running and waiting.

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Thank you everyone for your time.

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Have a good evening.

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Hello, my name is Luke Carning, I am 15 years old and I am currently in the 9th grade.

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I am here to give my perspective as a player on the decision of late and city polling

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its teams from the Northern Utah All-Star baseball tournament and instead being replaced with

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a single game.

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Think of that, replacing a whole season with one game.

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Having played in this tournament for three years, I speak for the parents, coaches and

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players in saying that late in city must participate in this tournament.

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We are the boys of summer playing America's favorite pastime.

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The All-Star tournament provides a chance to turn advanced level of competition past

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the regular record season, which is not only improved my skills as a player,

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but has taught me the valuable skills of teamwork and resilience.

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Sometimes we win, sometimes we lose, but we learn from each and every opportunity.

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The also tournament also allows those who usually couldn't play on

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comp teams a way to showcase their skills.

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We, the players in coaches, spent countless hours practicing to represent

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Layton.

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So I can't the city work to support us.

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Taking the tournament away hurts the image of Layton City and lessons are

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a presence in sports.

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Being the largest city in Davis County, we must live up to it.

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We need to support our teams, especially when they are competing at a high level with

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other cities.

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We ask that this program is saved for us, but future players to come.

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Thank you.

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My name is John Walton.

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I'm a resident of the Keyes Creek Estate's neighborhood.

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First off, I just wanted to thank the City Mayor, City Council, City Engineers, for spending a lot of time with our neighborhood addressing the current issue about the trees and the sidewalks.

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understand it's not an easy issue to push through, to talk about, but despite what's already

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been discussed, I just wanted to ask really beg the city to visit the issue from a different

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perspective. So the primary issue that I have is how this decision to address this issue has

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been so unilaterally applied. What I mean by that is we live in the neighborhood, right? We

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walked these streets. I've trick or treated with my boys so many years and we understand that

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some sidewalks they're terrible right like it's like climbing over a mountain what

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you go over some of these and I don't think anybody that is reasonable in our

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neighborhood with be fighting back issue right and saying no no no we need to

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Keep this or something like that. There are definitely some trees that need to go. However, there are some that are not as drastic, right?

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So I have a picture. I don't know how I can show that or submit this, but of my my sidewalk in front of the tree that is designated to be torn out.

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I mean, told that has to be torn out tonight, even in option.

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And over six and a half years, there's been almost no lift.

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And there's about this much lift on the sidewalk.

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And that hasn't gone up over, like I said, six years.

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And so it's frustrating to me that I'm getting lumped in

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with these obviously terrible cases.

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And so while I know that it wouldn't be easy,

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I know that it would be more frustrating

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and create a lot more headache and work,

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especially for the city engineers.

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I'm begging the city to revisit this issue from that perspective of looking at ones that need to be addressed now, and dealing with those.

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But then dealing with the individual homeowners, which the city has already indicated is going to be the case.

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So there's going to be an individual agreement with the city with the homeowners to if they aren't as drastic to maybe either replace those at the cost,

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that replace the sidewalks at the cost of the homeowner or something like that or I know

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grinding is not the practice that gets used anymore but doing something and then revisiting

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this issue five years down the line. Is there continued cracking needs to be addressed in

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that case maybe doing the tree removal. It's just frustrating to me as a homeowner in this

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neighborhood that we're getting all bumped in together and I feel like I'm losing this

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beautiful, huge, true even. I look out my front window every single day because of a little

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lift and I feel like the city isn't listening to our police in that case. Again, I know

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it would be more frustrating, I know it would be more work, but I'm just begging the city

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to revisit it from that issue or from that side. Thank you very much.

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Thank you.

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Hi, my name is Ashley Simmons. Thank you, Mayor and Councilman for the opportunity

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to speak today. I have some case creeps. I have some deep concerns about your plan. And one

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of the things that is most troubling me is the way the trees were chosen to be removed.

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As was brought up in our meetings, the poorly brought up by the citizens. I want to revisit

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it in a better way. There is a conflict of interest, not on this city side. I have no doubts

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about the honor or the integrity of anybody involved, but the arborist who was the expert on

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which trees should be removed ended up getting the low bed to remove those trees. That does not

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a genius to see a conflict built into that. And then the way the trees were chosen have been

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arbitrary and depreciated. Sometimes the tree was chosen for its species to be removed just

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based on that. And then not on other times. And sometimes a tree was only chosen because it was

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We have a street that has linden's on it.

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And some of these linden's are 30 years old and have just started to lift that sidewalk.

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My sidewalk is only being listed in the corner at a quarter of an inch, not an inch and a quarter of an inch.

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I've been city doesn't even six sidewalks until it's a half an inch, so a quarter of an inch

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and I had to choose city engineers come out and look at it and they were divided.

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It's that even qualified as a hazard.

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Councilman Roberts, you care about our community I know you do.

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I invite you to walk around with me and look at which tree have been chosen.

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Sometimes it makes so much sense and everybody agrees and sometimes it's troubling and we

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and we still have fused and angry about it and I know your heart is in the right place

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you are trying to prevent damage and it's our kids that are the ones who are going to get hurt.

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So nobody thinks we should ignore this problem but it has been done in an arbitrary and

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precious way, and I am asking you guys to look at this again and help us connect the dots on

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why some of these trees have to be removed.

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If the harvest, the city said two times the harvest was involved in choosing the tree, which

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is a conflict of interest, and sometimes it was not, and when he was not who told that tree,

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Do they have expertise in choosing trees?

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So that is my plea.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Madam Mayor, Council members, my name is Dr. Bor.

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I, too, am a resident of Case Creek subdivision

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in the spirit of a statement that I heard once.

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Everything has been said, but not everybody has said it.

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I'm not going to repeat what has been said before.

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I'm just speaking on my own behalf.

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My wife and I moved to late about five and a half years ago after I left after duty with

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the Air Force.

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I've worked with some of you in my capacity at Hill Air Force Base, and I appreciate the

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opportunity to do so.

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We chose our home specifically because of its proximity to Hill Air Force Base.

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We were looking to live in late and the community that we live in, the environment,

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particularly the trees that you've heard, was one of the important

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factors that we consider.

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I'm not going to be labor of the point in terms of how we feel.

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Of course, my wife and I would like to see that stay, but we're realists as well.

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We have one of those offending sidewalks that is displaced by significantly, and I understand that.

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But I'd like to bring a few other issues that I'd asked the council to consider.

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The first thing is that rather than looking at this whole experience as a positive, I actually think it's a failure.

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And I think that it represents a failure of the city to monitor the conditions within the city.

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We've been told over and over and over and you've heard this as well, that the city engineer has a five year period that they try to go and review all of the sidewalks.

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This has been going on for more than five years.

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The best time to address this would have been 20 years ago,

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but now we are doing it because it's been brought to the city's attention.

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So the things that I would ask first, if inspections are taking place,

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I'd recommend that council go and ask to see what those investigations are

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to ensure that that's being done.

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Especially if respect to K's Creek, if it hadn't been done,

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If anybody walked in around would have recognized that, would have noticed that, and if they didn't, why aren't those investigations? Why aren't those inspections taking place? That's the first thing I would suggest.

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The second thing that I would suggest is that late and consider qualifying as a tree

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city USA, till Air Force Base has been a tree city USA for more than 20 years, and

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it recognizes certain aspects of that.

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Finally, I suggest that the city consider hiring a full-time urban forester, where the

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11th largest city in the state, and all 10 cities that are larger than late and have full-time

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and foresters on the, on the under city staffs.

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If a city, if an city employees making that decision,

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if he eliminates that conflict of interest that was alluded to before,

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and can give a candid unvarnished advice to the council.

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I appreciate the time to be able to speak to you today.

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I recognize this is a difficult situation.

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I cast no ill will or a spursions of dishonesty or bad motives on the part of the city,

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I appreciate the time that's taking for this. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Madam Shana Raer, ladies and gentlemen.

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I hope this one will thank Travis and Mike some loop.

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They did a great job discussing baseball in the passion of baseball.

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I wanted to add one more perspective on that is the season is short.

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And as a parent, grandparents, we all fight so-called solideststractions, all the electronics.

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right now we get mid mid April to May. It's 10 games for weeks and we're done. I think

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the city has an opportunity to continue with the Northern All-Star to continue the

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continue our children participating in sports and getting outside. You know, spending time

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with other kids and socializing. This is not just representing Layton, but it's also an

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Trinity for both mental and physical health of our children are used.

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We have all grades represented through junior high high school, both boys and girls.

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I imagine that's probably close to 152 kids that we can extend six, eight weeks of active

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outdoor activities.

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much.

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Go ahead.

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Sorry. My name is Mary Anna. Mary Anna Klein. Thank you very much for all that you do for us here in

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Laiton. I love living in Laiton. I've lived here for 17 years. Thank you everybody for being here.

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I feel supported because I am a resident in the neighborhood and I'm here tonight because I have a problem.

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In my neighborhood with crows, I realized they are protected, department of wild life can't help me.

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Health department hasn't been able to have been attracting rats.

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I have asked my neighbors and talked to them peacefully and they said that they would comply, but they continue to pay the crows and the crows continue to be a problem.

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There are no easy, there are no easier than dogs, and if this was a dog I could call animal control,

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but I can't.

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I'm really stuck.

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There's nothing I can do except for call the police.

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And I don't want to call them place on my neighbors who are kind.

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They're good people, and I want to maintain a relationship with them.

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I'm requesting, and I just have a long time ago.

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I would love your help in any kind of ordinance.

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I know we don't have an ordinance against feeding wildlife,

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and I don't even know if that would pertain to the crows,

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because they're federally protected.

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But any kind of ordinance,

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I'm surprised that we don't have an ordinance that protects people from wildlife,

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inviting wildlife and feeding wildlife in our cities.

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to me, it's a real cleanliness issue from as a neighbor, someone who just wants to live in a clean

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neighborhood. I do have pictures, clothes are very intelligent, and so they, they're, I feel

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threatened by the, I'm telling you, there's nothing I can do, so I come here to ask for something.

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Anyways, I did bring some pictures, I don't know if I'm just asking to, maybe consider that I have talked to the division of wildlife resources lots of times, and they have told me it's a city issue.

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I know other cities haven't, so cities don't, I'm just asking for your help to maybe, because I know I can't.

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I know I'm not the only one because the lady that helped me develop these photos told me she loves

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feeding the crow in her backyard. So I am here by myself, but I know that out of a city of

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83,000, I'm not alone. So thank you for listening. Okay, thank you very much.

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As a man, you could like, do you want to leave your number with? Okay. Go ahead.

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Thank you, Rob Simmons, live in British states, late in resident.

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So what I wanted to talk about is, with a tree issue, a majority of the residents have

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come forward and say, hey, we need some options, so if this has been sort of rushed, it's

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been sort of presented without our input, it's been presented a way that has just sort

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this letter that has, hey, this is what's going to happen. You don't have any right here.

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And I just want to talk about kind of what a good solution was looked like.

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I mean, when you have a city action that's going to have an enormous impact on all these

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records, especially if you look at British State State, it was in three phases.

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And on the west side of the Great Big Transmission Line, they are just getting

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creamed.

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I'm in the second phase, and we'll have some impacts that will be serious, but the

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impact to their neighborhood, which is already been really hurt, because of the new highway.

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And then to take away all their treaties, I think the number of the cities talked about

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hundred and eighty trees or maybe more. Those kind of reactions have enormous impact on the

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livability of the neighborhood, on the value of the neighborhood, both in terms of its financial

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value as well as its just quality life. And so on this west of the transmission lines,

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you have a lot of new families, military families, and these families, it's not just the cost of

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the tree's down. It's a cost of losing home value and losing sort of what they're hoping for,

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like you know, a nice sort of mature, you know, neighborhood with mature trees to raise

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their kids and to do all this fun stuff that, you know.

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We associate with trees. And then the city, when you had this enormous action with enormous costs, affecting, you know, with a whole bunch of residents, hundreds saying, hey, wait, wait, wait, you know, we're signing petitions doing all these things to try to, at least it slowed down the process so they can understand it better. They're just shut down. And that's just not a good solution. And especially when, and this is what's been, I think, most starting to me,

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especially when the goals are the same.

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Once everybody got the letter, all the homeowners are great.

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We met everybody who's concerned about these,

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which her trees being taken down met and said,

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hey, we want to get all our sidewalks to code.

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That's the goal.

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We all share the same goal, share the same goal as the city.

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And so then you start thinking,

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okay, all the stuff that, you know,

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right ways and all that stuff,

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it's still, you know, homeowners have some rights,

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and some of those homeowners rights should be input

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in the process. We were sent a letter that said, hey, this is happening in a month or two.

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You know, we were left to actually book a place so that we can all meet and talk about what

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solutions might look like. And so certainly a good solution would be input from the whole

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nurse. Was that me? Yeah. Okay. Do I have to stop? Okay, can I have 20 seconds? 20 seconds.

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So 20 more seconds is simply this, the homeowners just deserve a chance to find the solution.

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All we're asking is give us to like July and say, if you can figure out a better way to save your mature tree but also to fix the sidewalks bring entirely the code and do it by July and if you can't do it by July, we're going back to our plan.

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Why not? I mean why won't you get Homer's just a shot at like protecting so

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that's important to them and not getting sort of steamrolled?

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Okay, thank you. I appreciate your comments.

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That's all here, our veterans. Just I'll carry out Steve.

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Excuse me sir. I know we are, but would you mind stating your name for the rest?

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Yes, please. I wanted to give a name and a face to the age and orange veterans foundation.

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That's myself, I'm Larry Kerr, and I stayed there for three-tired.

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I did two tours back to back in Vietnam.

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I had four years of age and orange in me.

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I've survived cancer, I've survived the stroke, I've survived heart attack,

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but I still live with all of them.

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Our organization was established over a year ago,

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When we are arrested with the state, we have a 501-3C to never think our paperwork

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is all in order.

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We approach latency, parks, and recreation in about April of last year to talk about putting

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a new memorial in late and common park not far from our rear now and all.

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At that time, it wasn't really well prepared for a extensive presentation, I guess you might

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say, but we've just turned down as to not put a memorial there.

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So we come before you again briefly to ask that you allow us to place this memorial.

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You have the pamphlets and some pictures in front of you in the late memorial.

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Here tonight, I've asked a few of the veterans to come from a very

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representative of the DAV and the VF-TAV American League.

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They're next to like that DAV.

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Myself, I belong to the DAV and Vietnam veterans America.

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Lifetime, I'm also a Lifetime member of the eight-gen orange foundation.

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Nathan City, six-stabbed, fits herself by putting the Vietnam wall there as a major

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track and for veterans to come and visit our laws. And with the other memorials that are there,

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the K-9 statues, the Battle Cross, and so on, you are honored all of the Vietnam veterans.

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Not just anyone service or branch. Our memorial will do the same. It honors all the Vietnam veterans.

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DOD people, the CIA, and everybody that was involved, even civilians, and their families and

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our children, grandchildren, is a place to come and visit this memorial.

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Right now it will be the largest memorial in the United States, paying homage to

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Agent Orn

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19, 2,600,000 veterans and their families been contaminated by age in Orange.

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There are 600,000 Vietnam veterans left in the country.

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There are 547 of the dying every day.

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So I implore you to at least think about it.

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And if we need a further meeting, a workshop meeting, and I think we'd be glad to set that up.

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I'm the chairman of the board. We have three board members. I'm going to turn it over to Hannah Turt.

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Who is our president of fundraising and I'm going to go horse because of my cancer.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Thank you for hearing me today. My name is Hannah Turt.

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I'm here today. We're presenting the Utah Egypt Orange Bedrand Foundation along with Larry Kerr.

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We hope to make our mission as building a memorial to honor Agent Orange veterans reality here in

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Lincoln City Park.

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I stand before you today not as not only as an advocate for veterans exposed to Agent Orange,

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but also as the daughter of a Vietnam veteran who has been whose life has been robbed by the impact

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of Agent Orange on his health.

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I stand here as a daughter who has cried countless tears worrying about life-lossers, and as a daughter who has spent hours in hospital with him.

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Many people, excuse me sorry, this monument is essential because it represents a significant part of American history that is currently being erased.

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Many people are unaware of what Asian orange is.

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This harmful herbicide was used to defoli the jungles of Vietnam, and to destroy enemy

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crops which it did effectively.

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However, it has another devastating effect that it was equally effective at, which was

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making people sick.

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Approximately 3 million service men and women were exposed to Vietnam alone, not to mention

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There's in surrounding areas where the herbicide was sprayed, stored, and transported.

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More than 300,000 veterans have died due to complications related to age and origin exposure.

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Just put that into perspective that is five times the number of veterans that died in combat during Vietnam.

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The war has continued 50 years after it's clothing closing in hospitals across this country.

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This monument will honor these veterans and their supporting families.

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It will provide the community with a shared space to reflect and find closure.

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Agent Orange has continued the battles of Vietnam long after the last shots were fired.

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Those still fighting are not just war heroes.

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They are our fathers, grandfathers, neighbors, mothers, sisters, and so much more.

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They deserve to be honored and celebrated.

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preserving this history ensures that the government cannot wash its hands of the tragedy

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inflicted on our brave soldiers. By remembering this, we can protect future generations of

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soldiers who follow in the footsteps of Vietnam veterans. Those who didn't receive a proper welcome home.

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For this reason, we play with Layton City to consider our cause and allow us to build this monument

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the first of many in this great city. Thank you. Thank you.

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Can I get to our minutes?

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I'll take your name, though.

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My name's Andy Vigil.

433
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,240
My brother and I go sit for home grown here.

434
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:16,200
We put that in the mom's still living.

435
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,780
And once that shines, she's 95 years old.

436
00:39:20,040 --> 00:39:21,880
And so we've been through a lot here.

437
00:39:22,740 --> 00:39:24,740
I was a 66-year-old star.

438
00:39:25,740 --> 00:39:26,340
But I didn't sit.

439
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:28,760
I know I don't look that old.

440
00:39:29,620 --> 00:39:37,140
But anyway, I bet the joy of speaking with major joy, my wife and I, but our other foundation,

441
00:39:38,340 --> 00:39:43,140
but this foundation is more serious and needs more attention.

442
00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:44,820
We,

443
00:39:47,020 --> 00:39:50,280
I'm on the H&O industry with the VA.

444
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:56,260
It's a little harder to fight for, because I was in South Korea not in Vietnam.

445
00:39:57,380 --> 00:40:04,120
As a military policeman, we were in several different scenarios where we know, we had to

446
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:10,620
have been there because I was in battle in North Korea on the shoreline of the LSC.

447
00:40:11,460 --> 00:40:17,740
And all the foliage was dead around in front of us, so we'd be able to see the infiltrators

448
00:40:17,740 --> 00:40:18,680
coming in.

449
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:32,000
I've had uncles pass away from making noise, and if I'm wrong, I do not believe they have been put on the wall, the ones who have passed these in arms back then.

450
00:40:32,500 --> 00:40:38,120
Because I have never found his name on there, and he served to be a nominate came home.

451
00:40:40,040 --> 00:40:45,400
They thought they cured him that three months later, just before his 43rd birthday, they'd be passed away.

452
00:40:46,140 --> 00:40:53,420
It's hard to see and cool like the reason that this is so urgent is because there's

453
00:40:53,420 --> 00:40:55,940
that concern and appreciate y'all coming out.

454
00:40:56,320 --> 00:41:02,620
There's best concern here, I hate to say it, but it might not be around when and if we

455
00:41:02,620 --> 00:41:12,800
get this memorial built, this is a serious condition and it's just taken us away, but I want

456
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:14,020
to thank you for your time.

457
00:41:14,020 --> 00:41:19,940
And don't believe every team of brothers is this.

458
00:41:19,940 --> 00:41:21,020
Thank you.

459
00:41:28,940 --> 00:41:30,540
I want to thank everybody for coming out.

460
00:41:30,700 --> 00:41:32,160
My name is Joseph Fittil.

461
00:41:33,280 --> 00:41:34,800
Don't believe everything he says.

462
00:41:35,180 --> 00:41:36,640
He followed my footsteps.

463
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:40,520
But anyway, that's wrong.

464
00:41:40,700 --> 00:41:42,060
Let you folks know.

465
00:41:42,540 --> 00:41:45,040
Catch an hour and a half and these memorials out here.

466
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:57,320
I was very negative during the conflict because I was drafted two years I was in trouble in the military because I didn't believe in what they were doing.

467
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:09,840
Yeah, like my brother said this is our hood. We raised here who stands strong for it

468
00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,160
And we believe in the memorials of these victims

469
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:21,740
You have this we have to live the life to understand where we come from. I'm the Nigerian war engine victim

470
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:23,680
I was

471
00:42:27,100 --> 00:42:34,140
very negative military wise my brother and I went on on a flight

472
00:42:34,140 --> 00:42:37,800
They took us to Arlington,

473
00:42:41,170 --> 00:42:47,910
that's straight in my attitude up a hundred percent because I looked at all those headstones.

474
00:42:49,510 --> 00:42:56,130
And now more monuments of the latter than I know we can't have here but we could have this one.

475
00:42:56,730 --> 00:43:00,250
You know you would help us with it.

476
00:43:00,250 --> 00:43:05,210
But I looked at all those addstones and I thought how selfish I was,

477
00:43:08,750 --> 00:43:10,270
thinking that I was

478
00:43:10,270 --> 00:43:13,950
ill and went and didn't want to serve in the military because of my attitude, that was

479
00:43:13,950 --> 00:43:15,690
the 60s hippie.

480
00:43:16,690 --> 00:43:21,610
And I looked at all those addstones and that felt how selfish I was and it's straight in my

481
00:43:21,610 --> 00:43:21,950
attitude.

482
00:43:25,270 --> 00:43:37,500
Those monuments speak to people and I think it would be an honor and an honor for the city to

483
00:43:37,500 --> 00:43:39,840
So we thank you and help us out with these.

484
00:43:42,210 --> 00:43:46,710
Yeah, I got a breakout here that I'm telling you.

485
00:43:47,550 --> 00:43:55,890
If you didn't experience it, all of the people that have experienced it would be happy

486
00:43:55,890 --> 00:43:58,430
to see something like that on Earth.

487
00:44:00,230 --> 00:44:05,430
And we're all people's who lived in our dying slowly, but surely it's just a matter of different

488
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:06,050
times.

489
00:44:06,050 --> 00:44:31,770
I have a tattoo that is very bad on this shoulder and just with the joke of it, I put walking dead around it, and that's where we are walking dead, and we would like to be honored in the ways to like the city, thank you very much for listening to me.

490
00:44:31,770 --> 00:44:33,070
Thank you.

491
00:44:39,780 --> 00:44:44,680
I appreciate everyone who's participated in this to this in the comments.

492
00:44:45,100 --> 00:44:48,560
Hopefully we've been able to hear everyone that wanted to speak.

493
00:44:49,460 --> 00:44:55,740
Definitely some heavy, you can see why we don't engage in the liberation at this time.

494
00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:59,980
But certainly all of this information is so valuable and important to us.

495
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:29,160
That we want to make sure we do make the right decision and choices on behalf of this entire community. So again, thank you. I'm going to go ahead and move our meeting along. And so that concludes our citizens comment portion. Certainly you guys are welcome to say just so you know we intentionally move the citizens comment portion up in our agenda so that you don't have to stay through the whole business portion, but you're welcome to. So once again, thanks for attending.

496
00:46:34,730 --> 00:46:40,030
Probably get to go ahead and move on. I appreciate it again the comments that we make tonight.

497
00:46:40,950 --> 00:46:48,210
We now will move on to our consent item. We do have one item on our consent that we need to discuss here.

498
00:46:49,090 --> 00:46:53,570
And it's the Clint, I'm sorry. Mr. Clinton, great.

499
00:46:53,650 --> 00:46:56,230
He's going to present this information to the council.

500
00:46:56,470 --> 00:46:59,410
It's regarding trapping of animals and late in the city and property.

501
00:46:59,410 --> 00:47:00,650
Thank you, Mayor.

502
00:47:00,910 --> 00:47:06,070
I'll be quick just as was discussed briefly in our work meeting last Council meeting.

503
00:47:06,810 --> 00:47:10,290
We've had some issues with trapping of animals on city property.

504
00:47:11,910 --> 00:47:18,230
So, parks are part of our reach out to us and ask person help in drafting your units.

505
00:47:18,430 --> 00:47:22,350
So, we've prepared a bit of the trapping of animals on park property.

506
00:47:22,490 --> 00:47:26,390
That includes all of our parks, all of our trails, all of our open space.

507
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:28,850
So that that doesn't include undeveloped open space.

508
00:47:29,210 --> 00:47:33,710
There recently was an incident where a pet was kind of in a trap.

509
00:47:34,250 --> 00:47:35,730
And on some of our undeveloped property.

510
00:47:37,350 --> 00:47:40,210
And while that was, there were other issues as to why that person was there.

511
00:47:41,990 --> 00:47:45,550
And the fact of the matter is that we want to prohibit this type of activity

512
00:47:45,550 --> 00:47:46,490
on our parks.

513
00:47:46,890 --> 00:47:49,070
There is one exception that you can see there.

514
00:47:49,170 --> 00:47:51,390
And one day, which is that the city reserves are right to trap.

515
00:47:51,510 --> 00:47:53,850
New sense and dangerous animals from time to time.

516
00:47:53,850 --> 00:48:00,770
parts employees or city employees have the need to trap different types of rodents and animals

517
00:48:00,770 --> 00:48:05,590
that are causing nuisances and are a danger to our public. So it does come out that exception

518
00:48:06,970 --> 00:48:14,030
for the city and any state agencies that may need to do that as well. And with that, I'd turn

519
00:48:14,030 --> 00:48:19,290
the time back to you and have to answer any questions. Okay, Council, do you have any questions or concerns

520
00:48:19,290 --> 00:48:26,650
We're going to have one question, probably for the council and also for the public who's listening.

521
00:48:27,410 --> 00:48:42,810
So if a resident sees animals on latent city property, their responsibility, if they're concerned about it is to call someone not to try and trap the animal on their own correct correct.

522
00:48:44,130 --> 00:48:54,580
to be clear, this doesn't change it, right, that property owners, right, even though they're adjacent to city owned property, correct.

523
00:48:55,220 --> 00:48:55,920
Okay, thanks.

524
00:48:57,380 --> 00:48:58,300
Okay, sure.

525
00:48:59,780 --> 00:49:08,340
The Bonneville Shoreline Trail, we've got, I think, the county land, we've got state of Utah federal, what are those regulations?

526
00:49:08,340 --> 00:49:13,440
And so it's not only part of the bond of the short line trail that was in our jurisdiction

527
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:14,020
on limits.

528
00:49:14,340 --> 00:49:18,880
Our city limits would be it would apply, we don't have any jurisdiction over county or federal

529
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:19,420
land.

530
00:49:19,880 --> 00:49:28,920
Do you have any idea if a similar, I don't know the answer to that, I'm just curious.

531
00:49:35,260 --> 00:49:36,680
Any other questions?

532
00:49:39,130 --> 00:49:39,330
Okay.

533
00:49:39,330 --> 00:49:44,510
If not, then council, turn to you to go ahead and make a motion regarding

534
00:49:45,450 --> 00:49:46,650
25-05.

535
00:49:49,700 --> 00:49:59,820
My motion there to adopt our consent item, ordinance 25-05, adopting restrictions of

536
00:49:59,820 --> 00:50:03,360
trapping animals on latent city owned property in a second.

537
00:50:04,280 --> 00:50:08,800
Okay, it's been moved in a second that we adopted all in favor, please say aye.

538
00:50:10,460 --> 00:50:11,820
Thank you, Zach.

539
00:50:11,980 --> 00:50:14,220
I heard that as well.

540
00:50:15,340 --> 00:50:15,960
We'll go down.

541
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,560
Now we'll go on to our public hearing portion of our meeting.

542
00:50:20,020 --> 00:50:22,000
We actually have two items on the agenda.

543
00:50:24,020 --> 00:50:28,120
And Mr. Longcrawl is going to present item A first, which is a

544
00:50:28,120 --> 00:50:30,780
Resilum concept plan and development agreement.

545
00:50:38,820 --> 00:50:39,340
Thank you, Mayor.

546
00:50:39,340 --> 00:50:40,160
and Council.

547
00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:44,160
On to this.

548
00:50:44,340 --> 00:51:01,480
So we have before you tonight, our resolution 2503, which references a development agreement with the concept plan in ordinance 20502, which references a request to resume property from agriculture and residential suburban or RS to R18PRUD.

549
00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:10,150
This property is located at about 1275 West and Town Street and is just under 16 acres.

550
00:51:11,590 --> 00:51:14,730
You can see right here where it's located.

551
00:51:20,570 --> 00:51:27,030
The property surrounded to the north and to the east by having industrial in manufacturing

552
00:51:27,650 --> 00:51:33,070
and it's bordered to the west and to the south by residential suburban or our S sub division.

553
00:51:36,430 --> 00:52:05,210
The applicant, I'll move to this one, the applicant in 2023 proposed the sub revision of this location that went to the planning commission or Anna Reson request, which had a density of about 10.6 years per acre and included apartments and some other debt housing, the planning commission actually recommended denial of that request and the applicant pulled their application and went back to work.

554
00:52:05,210 --> 00:52:09,530
Since then they constructed the test academy along Gentile Street,

555
00:52:12,020 --> 00:52:16,340
which is shown on this image right here,

556
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,520
and they reconfigured their development request.

557
00:52:21,500 --> 00:52:23,280
And again, this is a reasonable request.

558
00:52:23,720 --> 00:52:27,150
Actually, Utah Code does not require a concept plan, but we do.

559
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,660
And so we provided a concept time that this is conceptual,

560
00:52:30,660 --> 00:52:37,840
and they will have to meet certain criteria in order to obtain that density based on their development.

561
00:52:39,540 --> 00:52:48,580
But the current development is actually moved a lot of units and now it's at 5.6, 5.16 units per acre.

562
00:52:48,580 --> 00:53:13,480
It includes 61 single family homes and 26 count homes, our ordinance, our R1-8 P.R. U.D. ordinance allows for 30% of the units to be a count home, which this is under that 30%, and it also includes in this concept plan amenities, which include pickleball courts,

563
00:53:13,480 --> 00:53:19,480
It's a playground area, a walking trails, a gathering space with seating and a pavilion.

564
00:53:20,620 --> 00:53:25,880
And those are all included, which helps them obtain that tendency of harness that

565
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:26,560
will continue.

566
00:53:29,660 --> 00:53:35,840
The development agreements also includes some materials and details to the homes, but they're

567
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:36,400
proposing.

568
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:40,520
These are the single family homes they have a few options.

569
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:50,140
It includes masonry siding, harry board type siding, board and batten and some stucco.

570
00:53:52,270 --> 00:53:57,050
Staff did a great job working with the developer to add some additional windows and features

571
00:53:57,050 --> 00:53:59,270
on these buildings as well, which we appreciate.

572
00:54:02,460 --> 00:54:05,920
The proposal also shows the three plex and the five plex.

573
00:54:09,020 --> 00:54:10,020
You can see here.

574
00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:16,280
If I go back to this map, you can see where they are located, everything in pink is the

575
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,820
on the three-plex, on the east side of the property.

576
00:54:19,640 --> 00:54:22,860
This is a good buffer between the existing RS,

577
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,520
so we're division to the west and the heavy manufacturing.

578
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:30,840
And the double Rio Grande trail as well.

579
00:54:31,700 --> 00:54:36,020
And with that, the planning commission, on January 28th of this year,

580
00:54:36,380 --> 00:54:40,400
recommended unanimously approval of this submittal

581
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:43,840
and staff supports that recommendation.

582
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:45,900
And I'm happy to answer any questions.

583
00:54:46,540 --> 00:54:48,540
Okay, Council, we have questions on this?

584
00:54:53,020 --> 00:54:58,400
There was discussion about the tennis, the owner of the tennis facility retaining some of the

585
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,240
pretending ownership of some of the townhouses, all right?

586
00:55:03,100 --> 00:55:04,960
I believe that is correct.

587
00:55:06,260 --> 00:55:12,320
Do you know how many and how many could be potentially rental units?

588
00:55:13,740 --> 00:55:19,660
I do not. We have somebody who represents the applicant here who might be able to answer

589
00:55:19,660 --> 00:55:25,060
that question. Do I not? Yeah, that answer exactly. We can do that during the public hearing,

590
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:32,540
but also was there a requirement for storm water detention in this? Yes. Is that? Is that that green space

591
00:55:32,540 --> 00:55:39,860
on that north west side? Is that the end of the city there? That's right. But it's open space.

592
00:55:40,940 --> 00:55:46,560
Correct. Do you know the elevations of that? I just, I just, I know we talked about

593
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:54,880
in 2020 making our open space usable. And if it's a detention on, if it's, if it's

594
00:55:54,880 --> 00:56:00,140
valuable usable screen space, not just a grasp on, if you know what I'm saying.

595
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,720
Yeah, I'll be using both the slots of this time.

596
00:56:07,430 --> 00:56:08,130
Thank you.

597
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:12,160
Can you add any other questions?

598
00:56:15,140 --> 00:56:15,700
In the comments?

599
00:56:16,880 --> 00:56:17,720
Not a bit.

600
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:18,640
Okay.

601
00:56:18,980 --> 00:56:20,220
I can hear Zach online.

602
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:24,340
Is there a way we can increase his volume a little bit?

603
00:56:27,300 --> 00:56:27,460
Okay.

604
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,000
Go ahead or go ahead and count some blocks on.

605
00:56:31,120 --> 00:56:31,300
Okay.

606
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:32,000
Thank you Madam Mayor.

607
00:56:32,380 --> 00:56:33,700
I just had a question.

608
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,520
I know that maybe you can help me understand a little bit.

609
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:37,380
I've.

610
00:56:38,160 --> 00:56:42,340
We've had a question from the past about the idea you do and it's kind of its circus

611
00:56:42,340 --> 00:56:46,640
in our two backfills, faxions, horrendous.

612
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,560
And so I went back to the middle of the last three

613
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:53,180
build development that we've had,

614
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:56,220
but I could remember, in the last maybe,

615
00:56:56,440 --> 00:56:57,680
in a half or so.

616
00:56:58,180 --> 00:57:01,680
And I remember we were at the Jenkins project

617
00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:05,620
that I'll only have a shot, that's in September of 2022,

618
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,960
or something, and I don't know how to have

619
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:09,760
different in terms, which is a different

620
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:15,660
and the child, that's when you're through a six-year-old size, and then you have

621
00:57:15,660 --> 00:57:20,080
the number zero, two-year-old, two-year-old, and the other size, and those who have

622
00:57:20,080 --> 00:57:23,840
you don't show or the third and third-year-old in this relationship with Berger.

623
00:57:24,780 --> 00:57:32,200
And I've just my question was, can you kind of explain, I've read, you know, the city

624
00:57:32,200 --> 00:57:38,120
college, and then it's for five years, and the cancer is not going to be, um, to

625
00:57:38,120 --> 00:57:45,920
where I have questions about PLUD, the Jenkins company where I want 10 PLUD, the Falcon Farm

626
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:53,260
Sparkity, which are in 10 PLUD, and the service was stored up in 10, so if this is, if

627
00:57:53,260 --> 00:58:03,340
this is a proof, it's a PLUD, and I'm just curious, it seems that our PLUD transformation

628
00:58:03,340 --> 00:58:08,960
and has become aware of our rule and that in exception to the rules.

629
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:16,240
So as many of the majority of the developments that do the proof has been clearly doing

630
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:22,830
that simply this is sort of, you know, the dimensions to the gender, the gender, the gender, the gender,

631
00:58:22,830 --> 00:58:23,250
and the gender.

632
00:58:23,950 --> 00:58:28,770
And maybe just give me an idea about, you know, if I'm not faced by thinking where it seems

633
00:58:28,770 --> 00:58:38,120
like we're making an exception into a row and we'll ask that the ones that we're trying to

634
00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,920
do for the PWA will do or would I?

635
00:58:44,990 --> 00:58:48,510
I don't know if I'm completely prepared to answer that question.

636
00:58:49,030 --> 00:58:54,330
Usually a PRAED is used when you have property that's not a rectangle or a square,

637
00:58:54,570 --> 00:58:55,450
if it's an odd shape.

638
00:58:55,530 --> 00:59:02,270
This is definitely one of those, whether it should be in R1, A to R1, 10.

639
00:59:02,270 --> 00:59:05,370
You know, that's to the city council.

640
00:59:06,510 --> 00:59:14,070
The applicant to be always makes our quest based on whether or not they can make it work financially.

641
00:59:14,730 --> 00:59:21,460
And I'm sure that has something to do with it, but I don't know exactly why we've had

642
00:59:21,460 --> 00:59:29,140
key applications in numbers as U.S. other than I know that everyone's aware of the cost

643
00:59:29,140 --> 00:59:35,140
of housing is increased, the cost of development is increased, and that's probably my

644
00:59:35,140 --> 00:59:36,940
only guess that is just the guess.

645
00:59:36,940 --> 00:59:45,540
I don't know about that question, but I also have some questions that I have assured

646
00:59:45,540 --> 00:59:49,380
with about how to desire obviously to have these be on occupied.

647
00:59:52,380 --> 00:59:58,820
So are there any of these acronyms that are being restricted in the role or the idea of a

648
00:59:58,820 --> 00:59:59,980
If you can't find them either, hop, hop, hop, hop.

649
01:00:00,880 --> 01:00:03,820
Community, which is something I should need to clear,

650
01:00:06,220 --> 01:00:15,880
there's nothing I can have to do, particularly the bedroom and the green and the other tool to provide that, it's really just, and I would hope to send it into a 55 and other neighbourhood.

651
01:00:20,740 --> 01:00:26,320
I actually don't have the answer, I know a market is 55 and older, they probably have a

652
01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:33,320
good chance of receiving those co-spires, or a city attorney might have more information

653
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:38,440
on the legality of requiring it to be 55 and older, I know that we can't require 100% or

654
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:44,680
meant to be 55 and older, but I don't, I don't have more information than that.

655
01:00:49,700 --> 01:00:59,480
Okay, that all your questions, there's that, you have to that thinking, okay, all right, anyone else here?

656
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:01,860
Please, thanks, Mayor.

657
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:16,620
The General Plan for this area, I know that the parcels to the west or the RS, or the R110, or the General Plan,

658
01:01:16,620 --> 01:01:19,300
And this one was more dense.

659
01:01:19,460 --> 01:01:22,160
The original plan was our one eight I believe.

660
01:01:23,180 --> 01:01:27,100
Is that the case correct, yeah.

661
01:01:27,180 --> 01:01:27,960
Okay, thanks.

662
01:01:30,940 --> 01:01:31,600
Hey, what else?

663
01:01:33,850 --> 01:01:37,390
If not, then I will look for a motion to open our public hearing.

664
01:01:37,710 --> 01:01:40,170
I'm going to take any comments from those who are in a tent up

665
01:01:40,170 --> 01:01:40,870
to this time.

666
01:01:41,110 --> 01:01:42,030
So cancel on the emotion.

667
01:01:42,690 --> 01:01:44,730
I hope that we open the public hearing.

668
01:01:44,830 --> 01:01:45,910
Okay, there's a second.

669
01:01:46,970 --> 01:01:47,690
Okay, all in favor?

670
01:01:50,190 --> 01:01:51,210
Okay, thank you very much.

671
01:01:51,210 --> 01:01:57,970
now hear from our public at this time regarding item day on our hearing.

672
01:02:01,030 --> 01:02:02,790
Michael Christensen, late in the season.

673
01:02:03,990 --> 01:02:07,770
You heard me at that microphone two weeks ago.

674
01:02:08,090 --> 01:02:10,110
Talk about how this came from a client commission.

675
01:02:11,690 --> 01:02:13,090
I'm honestly shocked.

676
01:02:13,270 --> 01:02:18,090
They made exactly the same error and presenting to this bench as they did to that bench.

677
01:02:18,090 --> 01:02:25,550
in that they make no mention, and staff doesn't know that the developer is fear-marking

678
01:02:25,550 --> 01:02:28,490
lease for an 80% 55 plus an older.

679
01:02:29,070 --> 01:02:33,590
Why does your staff not know what they're signing on to?

680
01:02:33,850 --> 01:02:38,750
When I went to the client commission meeting, 15 people were so maybe 38 or 10 came up

681
01:02:38,750 --> 01:02:42,030
here, and nine of us leaving one of them spoke in favor of this development.

682
01:02:42,030 --> 01:02:44,950
There was one there, not there.

683
01:02:45,510 --> 01:02:53,090
Each one of us gave her a commentary and a pool to apply a commission, based on the factual

684
01:02:53,090 --> 01:02:59,610
flaw that this was just going to be built as a 55 plus target material with no restrictions

685
01:02:59,610 --> 01:03:00,490
on the deed.

686
01:03:01,850 --> 01:03:07,310
It wasn't until after the 10 of us had gone up here and spoken favorably of this one,

687
01:03:12,010 --> 01:03:12,010
but this

688
01:03:12,010 --> 01:03:15,350
these will be decreased to 80% 555 plus an older.

689
01:03:16,190 --> 01:03:18,770
They also told us that we did expect it to,

690
01:03:18,770 --> 01:03:22,270
or not, you can see, in the single found house.

691
01:03:22,630 --> 01:03:24,630
Again, which your staff should have known,

692
01:03:28,540 --> 01:03:32,600
could it get to go back to the elevations slide 11, 12, 13?

693
01:03:33,140 --> 01:03:36,640
One of those chose the single found house, very presented.

694
01:03:40,880 --> 01:03:43,020
I have the mouse, I have the power, excellent.

695
01:03:48,400 --> 01:03:51,820
To see on this chart here, we're building house

696
01:03:51,820 --> 01:03:55,080
a lot of about 5,500 square feet for 5,500 square feet.

697
01:03:55,480 --> 01:04:01,000
That's a lot of small ones there because the density is going to be loud in the R1-8.

698
01:04:01,820 --> 01:04:07,540
Perfectly fine. You see here in your elevations that we're putting up what?

699
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:11,740
15,600 square foot houses on there, single level, two-car garage.

700
01:04:13,420 --> 01:04:14,100
It's great design.

701
01:04:14,100 --> 01:04:21,920
It's great to be on a parcel land, 15 acres, six minutes away by bicycle from a train station.

702
01:04:22,940 --> 01:04:23,980
That's amazing.

703
01:04:24,340 --> 01:04:27,660
That's an amazing place for a property like this.

704
01:04:28,460 --> 01:04:34,860
We have a term for buildings like this, 15, 600 square feet on 5,500 square foot lots.

705
01:04:35,340 --> 01:04:37,280
That term is starter home.

706
01:04:39,270 --> 01:04:40,730
Start our homes

707
01:04:41,750 --> 01:04:45,070
5, 6, 7 minutes away from train station by bike

708
01:04:45,890 --> 01:04:52,150
That's a slam dunk that's one of the reasons I got up here at this mic at the plank mission and endorses opportunity

709
01:04:52,750 --> 01:04:58,890
That's a great idea. There's nothing wrong with this film plan the architecture or anything

710
01:04:58,890 --> 01:05:02,010
Below the wants to do it's a great layout

711
01:05:02,010 --> 01:05:08,530
But through no reason to restrict this to people aren't my sorrows and bark right in their bites to give them the train

712
01:05:10,090 --> 01:05:16,350
I'll share an anecdote. I picked up online four real servers. I don't want him from Adam, but you see it.

713
01:05:16,410 --> 01:05:26,300
He says, I have a client who built an age target in 55 plus patio home project. This, H.O.A. included yard and exterior maintenance.

714
01:05:26,300 --> 01:05:31,700
14.9% of the buyers were single female head of household with children,

715
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:35,300
largely attractive

716
01:05:35,300 --> 01:05:36,460
by the age.

717
01:05:39,380 --> 01:05:46,080
There is a definite need for a small loss small house in this community, and this project

718
01:05:46,080 --> 01:05:52,120
is perfectly awesome and excellent with the exception that we're only willing to sell to

719
01:05:52,120 --> 01:05:53,840
the nearly dead instead of the newlywed.

720
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:59,100
This needs to be an unrestricted development.

721
01:06:14,980 --> 01:06:19,600
Thank you for the opportunity to address, you know,

722
01:06:22,040 --> 01:06:24,880
in the meeting earlier it was stated that

723
01:06:27,050 --> 01:06:40,930
the community is in favor of this, the neighboring community. But that is not the case. I spoke out against it against the city planning commission. And we were told if nobody else had.

724
01:06:40,930 --> 01:06:47,250
didn't have anything else to add, then they shouldn't comment, so nobody else got up to

725
01:06:47,250 --> 01:06:53,290
comment, but most of the rest of the people that came are not in favor of this.

726
01:06:54,710 --> 01:06:56,530
One reason is the PROD,

727
01:06:58,910 --> 01:07:07,110
so it was originally on the city plan as far one ten, but before

728
01:07:07,110 --> 01:07:15,390
the late and family sold it, they convinced someone to downgrade it to R18.

729
01:07:17,990 --> 01:07:26,150
So the developers already have been given a bonus, a density bonus, and now then when

730
01:07:26,150 --> 01:07:30,750
you add a PRUD to it, you're even increasing the density.

731
01:07:30,750 --> 01:07:53,110
So the area in west of the track there is mostly our 110 and this would make it totally inconsistent with that area with the tennis court business moving in it encroaches business on that area.

732
01:07:53,110 --> 01:07:54,630
Instead of a buffer,

733
01:08:00,950 --> 01:08:04,870
if the PRUD isn't something special, then why don't you just call it R16.

734
01:08:07,070 --> 01:08:07,690
You know,

735
01:08:10,000 --> 01:08:11,880
there's nothing special about this property.

736
01:08:11,900 --> 01:08:20,540
You can build on all of it. There's no swamp land, no cliffs. Perhaps it's a little missafe and this is the end of crossing.

737
01:08:26,910 --> 01:08:29,410
It will diminish the property values.

738
01:08:32,000 --> 01:08:38,320
I expected when I put my home in there that I would have at least R1A.

739
01:08:39,440 --> 01:08:44,260
I think when I bought my home I was designated R110 on the plan.

740
01:08:45,300 --> 01:08:47,060
Then it was downgraded R1A.

741
01:08:47,060 --> 01:08:54,780
And now it's going to be R16 essentially, that means that my property value is going to

742
01:08:54,780 --> 01:08:58,420
be diminished more than what it would have been.

743
01:08:59,480 --> 01:09:06,940
Some people have said, well, that's not the way properties are evaluated, but eventually

744
01:09:06,940 --> 01:09:12,440
it will, because people will not buy the surrounding houses, pay as much for the surrounding

745
01:09:12,440 --> 01:09:21,040
houses as they would have if there had been higher density and so my property will be devaluated

746
01:09:21,040 --> 01:09:27,120
because they were unable to sell their property for a higher value.

747
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:33,080
It also diminishes

748
01:09:33,080 --> 01:09:38,660
the city's value in the area. We don't have a lot of room on gentile and angel there.

749
01:09:45,780 --> 01:09:46,480
It's

750
01:09:46,480 --> 01:09:57,680
But I'm asking that you don't allow an increase of traffic by allowing more density in that area.

751
01:09:58,500 --> 01:10:02,520
We already see with activity at the tennis courts.

752
01:10:03,700 --> 01:10:06,980
I saw someone trying to come out of the tennis courts there

753
01:10:06,980 --> 01:10:11,880
and because of traffic they had to turn right and so left like they wanted to.

754
01:10:12,920 --> 01:10:18,800
I don't think it's good for the city to have this area high density.

755
01:10:23,550 --> 01:10:29,450
With that high density, you're going to have more traffic in the area.

756
01:10:30,590 --> 01:10:35,150
More traffic than was originally on the plan and the plan was set up the reason the way

757
01:10:35,150 --> 01:10:42,070
it was because of the infrastructure of what Gentile can handle.

758
01:10:42,070 --> 01:10:49,010
So, I don't think that a P.R.U.D. should be allowed in this case.

759
01:10:50,670 --> 01:11:02,050
My home will be bordered by 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 different homes on 5, on 2 sides.

760
01:11:03,710 --> 01:11:05,170
So, that reduces the value.

761
01:11:05,170 --> 01:11:11,450
And then every one of those, the boarder, that's property, have two or three homes that

762
01:11:11,450 --> 01:11:17,170
boarder it, except for two properties up on the north end, which we'll have one right

763
01:11:17,170 --> 01:11:22,010
up against the fence on a dry way, up in front of the other one.

764
01:11:22,950 --> 01:11:25,610
So, what's called the flag property?

765
01:11:27,090 --> 01:11:35,150
So, I'm asking that you don't allow a P.A.R.U.D. because you've already given higher density

766
01:11:35,150 --> 01:11:42,010
authorization to them and now to even allow further high density is going to diminish the value

767
01:11:42,010 --> 01:11:46,090
of the area because greater problems in the area.

768
01:11:48,310 --> 01:11:51,430
If you want to have higher density homes,

769
01:11:52,010 --> 01:11:58,170
starter homes can be a good thing. But not in an area that's already crowded on Gentiles.

770
01:11:58,170 --> 01:12:05,330
Let's put it in an area where there is more room, 2700 West that can reach out to

771
01:12:06,570 --> 01:12:12,270
Hillfield Road, some of those areas, other areas that have more room,

772
01:12:14,450 --> 01:12:15,470
and if I wanted

773
01:12:15,470 --> 01:12:23,130
a house that was close to transportation, I wouldn't put it a mile on the half way of

774
01:12:23,130 --> 01:12:30,910
the closer to transportation. And we do have plenty of apartments on Main Street and downtown

775
01:12:31,950 --> 01:12:40,710
where people can move if they want to be closer to transit systems. Thank you.

776
01:12:40,750 --> 01:12:41,910
Thank you for that opportunity.

777
01:12:42,510 --> 01:12:43,950
Thank you very much.

778
01:12:50,010 --> 01:12:55,170
My name is Randy Johnson, I'm a owner of Mary's Metals.

779
01:12:56,110 --> 01:13:02,030
This is a very passionate thing for all of us who have been here since November, 231,

780
01:13:02,290 --> 01:13:04,210
the original development came in.

781
01:13:05,170 --> 01:13:08,270
And everyone took exception to where we were.

782
01:13:08,850 --> 01:13:11,380
We've come a long way close to the final commission.

783
01:13:11,380 --> 01:13:16,780
to get something that I believe is acceptable.

784
01:13:18,200 --> 01:13:22,820
We have, I was a second person to actually buy a lot in that development.

785
01:13:23,600 --> 01:13:26,680
I saw the many commissions general plan.

786
01:13:27,060 --> 01:13:29,060
I spoke with representatives.

787
01:13:29,740 --> 01:13:32,660
PRUD was mentioned even back then.

788
01:13:33,260 --> 01:13:38,640
So, we did our new diligence, we purchased, we built.

789
01:13:39,440 --> 01:13:41,820
What was not happy about the first plan?

790
01:13:43,460 --> 01:13:44,420
Nothing's perfect.

791
01:13:45,380 --> 01:13:48,420
I believe the planning commission, along with say,

792
01:13:49,020 --> 01:13:53,320
builder, owner, has been as good as we're going to be able to get.

793
01:13:53,820 --> 01:13:55,540
This could be a lot worse.

794
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:58,060
Some folks will be impacted.

795
01:13:58,280 --> 01:14:01,560
Some folks have due short-stronger laws.

796
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:04,280
I was not one of them, so I had that benefit.

797
01:14:04,660 --> 01:14:08,220
So I make enemies with the folks that do have that.

798
01:14:08,220 --> 01:14:16,520
this is a tough thing to do. I believe this needs to be 80 percent. Almost dead people

799
01:14:16,520 --> 01:14:25,610
have to be one of those. And for those of those who also join me in that, we need adult communities.

800
01:14:27,270 --> 01:14:33,710
Yes, a 13 to 1500 square foot place could be a starter home. It also is a wonderful square footage

801
01:14:33,710 --> 01:14:39,870
for an aged person, just what our population is aging.

802
01:14:40,810 --> 01:14:45,710
Property value lies to cost their square foot, and I've got a very nice home.

803
01:14:46,110 --> 01:14:48,850
Those are going to be more cost for square foot than my home.

804
01:14:50,470 --> 01:14:54,710
So with that being said, I was like just strongly encouraged

805
01:14:54,710 --> 01:14:56,710
to continue to this.

806
01:14:57,190 --> 01:14:59,970
The PROD is an artifact of work.

807
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:04,040
Please be done to achieve this. Thank you for your time.

808
01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:05,480
Thank you.

809
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:17,480
My name is Gerald Thomas and I just had a question to the elder or maybe the commission itself.

810
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:25,900
For the community as a whole, how many entries and access are going to be on this total

811
01:15:25,900 --> 01:15:37,080
community to where to Gentile Street to either Angel or to Gentile or in the other

812
01:15:37,080 --> 01:15:43,000
news streets access but talking about the community itself how many entries in

813
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:52,320
access are in to be able to enter to or leave from this community because that's a

814
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:57,960
very pertinent point about the traffic flow. Currently I think there's two in

815
01:15:57,960 --> 01:16:00,520
So that one more so you'd have three.

816
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:03,560
So we'll plan this all they have to.

817
01:16:04,400 --> 01:16:04,620
Okay.

818
01:16:07,980 --> 01:16:09,700
I don't know, I'm going to launch you on this.

819
01:16:10,940 --> 01:16:11,140
Yeah.

820
01:16:13,290 --> 01:16:14,130
So it's a victory.

821
01:16:16,170 --> 01:16:16,350
Yeah.

822
01:16:17,510 --> 01:16:19,830
Do I have to, or want you on it?

823
01:16:21,480 --> 01:16:25,540
Yeah, there's two in the Marius Metos, but there's also two...

824
01:16:25,540 --> 01:16:28,880
...on the Gentile Street. One of those is through Marius Metos.

825
01:16:28,880 --> 01:16:29,620
Okay.

826
01:16:31,240 --> 01:16:32,240
Thank you.

827
01:16:32,660 --> 01:16:32,920
Next.

828
01:16:37,320 --> 01:16:39,700
My name is Doug Kosai.

829
01:16:40,140 --> 01:16:40,600
Okay.

830
01:16:40,780 --> 01:16:44,880
I'll spell that for you because no one here gets it right if I don't.

831
01:16:46,060 --> 01:16:52,660
And I live in Mary's Medal as well and Madam Mayor and Council members, I want to

832
01:16:52,660 --> 01:16:55,140
thank you for your service to our city.

833
01:16:56,020 --> 01:16:58,240
I know it's a difficult job.

834
01:16:58,240 --> 01:17:07,540
I appreciate very much, this has already been said, has been a difficult road that this

835
01:17:07,540 --> 01:17:17,060
has come down. In November of 2023, I and many of my neighbors set in a very contentious

836
01:17:17,060 --> 01:17:24,060
planning commission meeting that has gained notoriety, at least in the planning commission

837
01:17:24,060 --> 01:17:27,200
circles and possibly you're at the city council as well.

838
01:17:28,160 --> 01:17:29,800
And we still talk about it today.

839
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:35,080
And the neighbors were, at least in Mary's

840
01:17:35,080 --> 01:17:38,340
Metro, were united in their opposition to that plan.

841
01:17:40,060 --> 01:17:42,480
And mainly, it was because of four problems.

842
01:17:43,140 --> 01:17:49,940
Density, traffic, crime, and the fact that it was so much

843
01:17:49,940 --> 01:17:53,240
against the general plan that is in place.

844
01:17:54,320 --> 01:18:02,400
The builder heard us and they were very willing to go back to the drawing board and they

845
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:09,360
had been back as I understand that they had been back several times and come up with a plan

846
01:18:09,360 --> 01:18:12,200
that I believe is a good one.

847
01:18:13,040 --> 01:18:18,880
My friend and neighbor, Robert McKinley, who spoke to you a minute ago, he and I are neighbors

848
01:18:18,880 --> 01:18:28,020
and we're good friends and we know how to respectfully disagree and still get along very well.

849
01:18:28,980 --> 01:18:36,140
And so I am simply saying I believe the developer has done a good job of addressing

850
01:18:36,140 --> 01:18:37,720
all four of those issues.

851
01:18:38,460 --> 01:18:47,240
They replaced high-density apartment complex with an extremely low-density tennis building

852
01:18:47,240 --> 01:18:55,100
that has no residence and the few people that show up there on a daily basis are affluent

853
01:18:56,000 --> 01:19:02,620
and are not at risk for causing crime in the neighborhood or anything like that.

854
01:19:02,820 --> 01:19:07,860
They've reduced the density in half from the original proposal.

855
01:19:08,440 --> 01:19:13,000
Along with that traffic has been significantly reduced as well.

856
01:19:13,000 --> 01:19:28,760
So I like it. I like the age 55 plus for the same reason as at my other neighbor Randy has indicated. I'm one of those, and I won't mind having more people like me across the fence.

857
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:38,160
I think it is unfortunate that the way the land is laid out with a triangle and so forth.

858
01:19:38,160 --> 01:19:45,920
there are a couple of lots that are unfortunately going to make some people unhappy and maybe more

859
01:19:45,920 --> 01:19:52,840
than a couple. I don't wish to understand that. But overall I think it's a great opportunity

860
01:19:52,840 --> 01:20:00,580
for there to be more housing available to seniors, active seniors and maybe less active seniors.

861
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:06,300
As the case may be, so I'm looking forward to it. I hope you'll pass it. I would like to take just

862
01:20:06,300 --> 01:20:12,800
another minute if I may and express a thought about the Agent Orange Monument that was discussed

863
01:20:12,800 --> 01:20:18,960
and I'm sorry those folks have left but my initial thought when I saw the picture floating

864
01:20:18,960 --> 01:20:25,880
around was, gee that's ugly, that's as hideous. It's bright orange, it's got no place

865
01:20:25,880 --> 01:20:34,300
in the park and then I got the thinking that's kind of a point. Agent Orange was an ugly thing,

866
01:20:34,980 --> 01:20:49,280
Something that we all know, I mean, I was a few months beyond the time when I would have gotten draft that I had a low draft number, but fortunately the war ended before I had to show up at the draft board.

867
01:20:49,280 --> 01:20:58,760
It was an ugly spirit in our nation's history, and I think these folks have been underappreciated, underserved,

868
01:20:59,740 --> 01:21:11,300
and have dealt with horrible problems with Asian warrants, and largely been ignored and given a cold shoulder by our federal government.

869
01:21:11,300 --> 01:21:19,640
So I would like to request that you consider adopting that and if it takes money, it obviously

870
01:21:19,640 --> 01:21:21,780
will take money to build that monument.

871
01:21:22,440 --> 01:21:28,220
If it takes money that exceeds the city budget and we need to look to people that help

872
01:21:28,220 --> 01:21:30,400
contribute to it, I'll be one of them.

873
01:21:30,580 --> 01:21:31,280
Thank you very much.

874
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:31,980
Thank you.

875
01:21:32,620 --> 01:21:33,060
Appreciate that.

876
01:21:38,560 --> 01:21:38,640
Thank you.

877
01:21:39,180 --> 01:21:39,260
Thank you.

878
01:21:39,440 --> 01:21:42,380
Thank you.

879
01:21:42,380 --> 01:21:46,200
question, it will be three exits, two of them will go through Mary's metal, however.

880
01:21:46,640 --> 01:21:49,660
So the only one that is due to this development.

881
01:21:51,520 --> 01:21:54,520
So my question for the city council is why?

882
01:21:55,420 --> 01:21:57,980
Why is the period you being considered for this property?

883
01:21:59,180 --> 01:22:02,540
Well, councilman blocks and brought up was a very good point that

884
01:22:02,540 --> 01:22:06,240
if that's just the status quo that every property is going to happen, then why do we

885
01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:09,180
zone for certain square footage for these housing?

886
01:22:09,180 --> 01:22:14,120
And if it's not, then what designates this as a special case,

887
01:22:14,480 --> 01:22:18,580
I understand the geometry is a bit odd, but as we can see,

888
01:22:18,960 --> 01:22:19,800
it's all buildable.

889
01:22:20,020 --> 01:22:21,540
There are a few audent-cates whole plots,

890
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:24,700
but I would argue that a lot of those are because they're trying to put

891
01:22:24,700 --> 01:22:29,160
smaller lots onto roads that were laid out for larger lots.

892
01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:31,460
And because that was what was in the original city plan.

893
01:22:33,020 --> 01:22:33,900
So why?

894
01:22:34,300 --> 01:22:37,200
Is it because we need more affordable housing in the city as a parent?

895
01:22:37,200 --> 01:22:41,140
of three, I, who, and there, they're all about to leave the nest, somehow already had

896
01:22:41,140 --> 01:22:43,100
I understand the need for affordable housing.

897
01:22:43,820 --> 01:22:47,940
It is the 55 plus community guidance in that, no, because they can't buy those houses.

898
01:22:48,300 --> 01:22:54,100
And even the houses that those 55 year olds sell, to move here, will be to expensive

899
01:22:54,100 --> 01:22:55,680
for Gen Z or to afford.

900
01:22:56,880 --> 01:23:01,200
The town homes will help us with affordable housing, but we have no guarantee of how many

901
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:04,840
those will actually be sold, and how many will be kept as rentals for afflits.

902
01:23:06,120 --> 01:23:08,380
I'm like a certain city to ourselves.

903
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:11,540
Ladies and gentlemen, good job about providing affordable housing.

904
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:16,340
We have three story, four story apartments and different parts of the city.

905
01:23:16,620 --> 01:23:18,060
We have lots of different affordable housing.

906
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:21,480
But not all new housing is to be higher density.

907
01:23:22,080 --> 01:23:28,520
This is a violation of the trust in a way that when we didn't spot our homes here,

908
01:23:28,600 --> 01:23:31,320
we were expecting one thing and now we're being handed to something different.

909
01:23:33,920 --> 01:23:35,160
So let's call this what it is.

910
01:23:35,160 --> 01:23:38,720
I believe this is, as the gentleman who presented this said,

911
01:23:38,960 --> 01:23:41,720
who builders lay out a plan in a way that it's economical.

912
01:23:42,120 --> 01:23:44,800
This is a way for the builder to maximize profits.

913
01:23:45,360 --> 01:23:48,140
I don't just credit the company for wanting maximize profit.

914
01:23:48,600 --> 01:23:51,060
I'm a capitalist. I believe that's what companies are supposed to do.

915
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:55,680
But as home, as we have a variety of protect our properties and the value of those properties,

916
01:23:55,680 --> 01:24:00,840
which will be degraded by having these higher density columns in the so-closed ours.

917
01:24:00,840 --> 01:24:05,140
In particular, lots 14, 15, 32, and 33,

918
01:24:07,810 --> 01:24:13,390
dang of the way these houses are positioned will provide only a five-foot stand-off from the existing homes.

919
01:24:14,110 --> 01:24:20,170
I know Robert is one of those, and as he mentioned, he will have six properties, if mine included, touching his.

920
01:24:20,590 --> 01:24:27,390
The other properties, on 250 West, were the slag lots, and north of that, they'll also have

921
01:24:27,390 --> 01:24:31,930
stand-off very close to their properties, and I spoke both of them today that were able to be here and they're not happy with that.

922
01:24:31,930 --> 01:24:36,110
But they got the impression from the council meeting that there's no choice in the matter now.

923
01:24:36,630 --> 01:24:38,250
This is just within the city code.

924
01:24:38,930 --> 01:24:42,790
So I would ask the city council to remember who it is you represent in the city.

925
01:24:43,630 --> 01:24:47,630
And to turn deny the PRUD, stick with the original R18 zoning.

926
01:24:49,030 --> 01:24:54,970
And if the city council determines, obviously I'm emotionally involved in it and have a involvement here.

927
01:24:55,270 --> 01:25:01,110
If the city decides that this is what's good for the city, then I would ask at least to deny this current plan.

928
01:25:01,110 --> 01:25:08,330
And to, at the real value with it, with some minor modifications, we could eliminate those,

929
01:25:08,350 --> 01:25:14,170
or what to call them, poorly designed for laid-out areas, to make this a much more palatable layout.

930
01:25:14,870 --> 01:25:20,370
So, I know that there was a lot of backlash from the original plan,

931
01:25:20,550 --> 01:25:24,830
and I feel like many of our neighbors are kind of, of course, in shock and awe after that.

932
01:25:24,890 --> 01:25:28,790
And to accept this is so much better than all the apartments, everything that we're going to do.

933
01:25:28,790 --> 01:25:31,890
but I would argue that McDonald's hamburger is better

934
01:25:31,890 --> 01:25:34,990
than Jack and the box, but still I get a hamburger.

935
01:25:36,570 --> 01:25:39,850
So let's hold that held out and let's get something better

936
01:25:39,850 --> 01:25:40,910
for this location.

937
01:25:41,430 --> 01:25:42,090
Thank you.

938
01:25:42,090 --> 01:25:43,130
Thank you.

939
01:25:53,730 --> 01:25:54,310
I'll be brief.

940
01:25:54,390 --> 01:25:57,970
I heard some things brought up here that have answers for it.

941
01:25:58,330 --> 01:26:00,470
First off, let's not kid ourselves.

942
01:26:01,490 --> 01:26:04,230
How many farms are on Gentile Street?

943
01:26:05,270 --> 01:26:06,890
West of Main Street?

944
01:26:06,890 --> 01:26:08,310
all that Syracuse.

945
01:26:09,530 --> 01:26:10,370
Hundreds of acres.

946
01:26:11,450 --> 01:26:12,490
All of those are going to be developed.

947
01:26:14,030 --> 01:26:15,150
When that happens,

948
01:26:16,310 --> 01:26:17,890
I'm going to take out a borrow line from

949
01:26:18,550 --> 01:26:20,170
Councilman Roberts, from the back room there,

950
01:26:20,190 --> 01:26:22,090
talking about the trees, think of the future residents.

951
01:26:24,140 --> 01:26:26,380
Gentiles trees are going to become a bust line.

952
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:28,480
It's been one of these days that UTA,

953
01:26:28,480 --> 01:26:31,120
who was here today, is going to come back to this council and say,

954
01:26:31,480 --> 01:26:32,400
we're ready to put something in.

955
01:26:32,400 --> 01:26:35,300
It goes all the way down to Gentiles tree to Syracuse and then up.

956
01:26:36,300 --> 01:26:37,660
Let's think of the future residents.

957
01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:41,560
I

958
01:26:43,830 --> 01:26:48,070
do want to correct the comment that this is the 1.5 miles away from the train station.

959
01:26:48,410 --> 01:26:54,390
It is if you drive, it's 0.8 miles as you ride a bike, because you don't have to go all the way to the main street.

960
01:26:54,790 --> 01:27:00,510
This is very close. This will be used by the E-bike crowd.

961
01:27:00,510 --> 01:27:01,290
But

962
01:27:03,950 --> 01:27:12,330
for those who don't yet know why cities make PRUDs, there's these green triangles up here on there.

963
01:27:13,210 --> 01:27:14,390
The city doesn't want to buy parks.

964
01:27:14,730 --> 01:27:16,970
The city wants a developer to build you a park.

965
01:27:17,510 --> 01:27:19,290
And that's why they love PRUDs.

966
01:27:20,430 --> 01:27:22,410
So this bench doesn't have to find another park.

967
01:27:22,750 --> 01:27:23,830
We'll build their own park.

968
01:27:24,370 --> 01:27:25,450
That's the tight atmosphere.

969
01:27:28,870 --> 01:27:38,250
Also, there's a comment about the city south of us doing so well with their planning and we're doing so well with what you city on affordable housing

970
01:27:38,250 --> 01:27:45,010
That's looking the wrong direction clear field is doing affordable housing right if you want to model for affordable housing

971
01:27:45,010 --> 01:27:48,130
They're there mayors, but I'd like to do a national board over affordable housing

972
01:27:49,070 --> 01:27:50,810
That's the model to emulate

973
01:27:50,810 --> 01:27:52,870
She wants to know the floor

974
01:27:56,110 --> 01:27:57,490
So anyone else?

975
01:27:59,700 --> 01:28:01,360
Okay, saying that there's no more comments.

976
01:28:01,600 --> 01:28:03,480
I'm going to go ahead and bring it back to the council.

977
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:07,620
Let's go ahead and take action on this item before we go on to the next.

978
01:28:10,800 --> 01:28:14,200
One, do you, I don't know if you know or not,

979
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:17,980
but my question is if the,

980
01:28:18,060 --> 01:28:21,820
so the presentation said that if the PRED were approved,

981
01:28:21,860 --> 01:28:25,480
then the number of laws or the number of units that are presented here

982
01:28:25,480 --> 01:28:32,640
what would be a proof. Do we know what it would be if the PDRED was not a part of this plan?

983
01:28:32,860 --> 01:28:37,800
Is it 35% less than what the units are that are already on the plan currently?

984
01:28:39,240 --> 01:28:45,660
Now, so if the council approves this evening that this density actually is not guaranteed,

985
01:28:46,240 --> 01:28:54,030
the developer has sort of include several items that are required in our code in order to

986
01:28:54,030 --> 01:29:03,030
receive that bonus, the open space amenities and what these like that are actually

987
01:29:04,310 --> 01:29:12,210
it adds to that ability to increase density. As far as I haven't done the math, so I don't

988
01:29:12,210 --> 01:29:15,830
know exactly how many lots would be allowed if it was discovered.

989
01:29:16,710 --> 01:29:23,630
So I guess my question is the way that the plan is presented currently is with the

990
01:29:23,630 --> 01:29:28,230
understanding that they filter what has received approval for the PREV.

991
01:29:30,750 --> 01:29:34,750
No, actually, well, the approval would be for the development agreement, which would

992
01:29:34,750 --> 01:29:39,310
allow them to go through the process to get a plan to prove through the planning commission

993
01:29:40,070 --> 01:29:46,370
for whatever density that ends up as, but the approval for the rezoning for medical

994
01:29:46,370 --> 01:29:53,550
to all eight, so allows them to densely, that it would go from agricultural to farmland.

995
01:29:54,510 --> 01:29:59,150
Okay, let me ask this another way. Is there an opportunity?

996
01:30:00,300 --> 01:30:04,820
For the density that was presented tonight to increase,

997
01:30:12,820 --> 01:30:14,480
correct?

998
01:30:21,160 --> 01:30:25,220
So, the R1A zone by itself has a density of four units per acre.

999
01:30:26,420 --> 01:30:37,240
And so, they need to get 1.46 of that bonus density that we want to talk about, which equates to about 35% density bonus based on the PRU ordinance.

1000
01:30:37,240 --> 01:30:45,400
And so with the 87 units, the other proposing that they can only fit really based on this plan.

1001
01:30:45,620 --> 01:30:48,620
I don't see how they can get a higher density than that.

1002
01:30:50,720 --> 01:30:51,580
Thank you.

1003
01:30:51,820 --> 01:30:57,700
The main reason I was asking that is I was aware as all of you were as well.

1004
01:30:58,380 --> 01:31:03,180
When they first presented this plan, the identity was double.

1005
01:31:04,080 --> 01:31:06,080
What is here presently?

1006
01:31:06,080 --> 01:31:11,880
And so with all of the talk about the PRUD and the opportunities for that, just wanted to present

1007
01:31:11,880 --> 01:31:18,420
our understand that there's not really an opportunity for more density than what has been presented tonight

1008
01:31:19,220 --> 01:31:22,220
versus what have been presented prior.

1009
01:31:22,820 --> 01:31:27,400
Correct. And what happened in November of 2023?

1010
01:31:27,940 --> 01:31:33,860
was they asked for a general plan and went to which would give a zoning of our age, which

1011
01:31:33,860 --> 01:31:40,440
is our highest density zone for residential, and that's what allowed them to get or ask

1012
01:31:40,440 --> 01:31:47,560
for 10.6 years per acre. So with this now being our one eight, that's the base zone with

1013
01:31:47,560 --> 01:31:52,320
You're the overlay that does come back to the standoff.

1014
01:31:53,000 --> 01:31:53,220
Yeah.

1015
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:56,220
Let's get any more questions?

1016
01:31:57,440 --> 01:31:58,840
Just one of you.

1017
01:31:59,360 --> 01:32:00,900
I did some math there.

1018
01:32:03,470 --> 01:32:04,810
It's 5.16, right?

1019
01:32:04,910 --> 01:32:06,130
That's what this is.

1020
01:32:06,330 --> 01:32:07,830
5.1 since you and it's up right.

1021
01:32:08,050 --> 01:32:08,890
5.46.

1022
01:32:09,430 --> 01:32:10,210
5.46.

1023
01:32:10,690 --> 01:32:12,330
If it was 5.16,

1024
01:32:12,330 --> 01:32:19,190
And by that, by an acre, you come up with an average lot of about 8,400 square feet

1025
01:32:19,190 --> 01:32:20,290
as a pecker.

1026
01:32:22,730 --> 01:32:24,150
We're over 8,000 square feet.

1027
01:32:25,790 --> 01:32:35,390
So, really what the PRUD does in this instance is give a little more leeway on front-edge

1028
01:32:35,390 --> 01:32:37,310
block configuration as that correct.

1029
01:32:37,810 --> 01:32:40,430
Yeah, there's no flexibility on setbacks in front-end.

1030
01:32:40,430 --> 01:32:49,570
It also allows us, as long put in a presentation, without the PR-UDA, they would not be able to do the towns under the R1A zone.

1031
01:32:50,130 --> 01:32:58,890
And so by having that in the ordinance of 30% of the NIS can be towns under the PR-UDA, that does a lot about higher density.

1032
01:33:01,410 --> 01:33:06,910
But yeah, most of the units would be comparable to an R1A zone, other than the towns.

1033
01:33:08,130 --> 01:33:08,910
Thank you.

1034
01:33:11,290 --> 01:33:15,970
And that's why we're usually good for any other comments here.

1035
01:33:19,010 --> 01:33:22,950
Can't believe that you have, I know you're the developer.

1036
01:33:23,310 --> 01:33:26,590
Did you want to answer a question from earlier, is that what you're thinking?

1037
01:33:27,030 --> 01:33:28,470
Otherwise, I'm going to clarify.

1038
01:33:29,050 --> 01:33:29,270
Sure.

1039
01:33:29,410 --> 01:33:31,970
Go ahead and speak before we take a vote on this.

1040
01:33:35,800 --> 01:33:37,240
Thank you very much.

1041
01:33:37,820 --> 01:33:42,340
I'm Craig Jacobson and I'm here on behalf of the applicant this evening.

1042
01:33:42,340 --> 01:33:47,380
And I do want to express gratitude to the staff.

1043
01:33:47,960 --> 01:33:53,260
We've been working on this project now for three years, plus trying

1044
01:33:53,260 --> 01:33:58,140
to find something that would address the majority of the concerns

1045
01:33:58,140 --> 01:34:00,840
of the neighbors and something that is viable.

1046
01:34:01,240 --> 01:34:06,800
One of the things that has not been addressed specifically this evening,

1047
01:34:07,420 --> 01:34:09,880
it is a uniquely shaped piece of property.

1048
01:34:09,880 --> 01:34:17,020
it's easy if you're not a developer to just say it lays out well, it doesn't lay out

1049
01:34:17,020 --> 01:34:24,980
that well, but we also have industrial on the other side of this project, and that

1050
01:34:24,980 --> 01:34:34,200
does impact what types of housing can be successfully built and marketed. So I wanted

1051
01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:40,160
to point that out. I just, I don't want to retry out a lot of ground, but I do feel like from

1052
01:34:40,160 --> 01:34:50,900
when we were here in that infamous meeting, the concerns that were raised have been itemized

1053
01:34:50,900 --> 01:34:59,560
and that is the Transience, the Density, the Traffic, and the non-compliance with the General

1054
01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:16,860
the message that we heard was, bring us a project that complies with the general plan, and that's what we have done, working together with the city staff, and we feel like we're all on board with this.

1055
01:35:17,360 --> 01:35:28,740
The active adult is the main thing that I wanted to try to address for a moment I heard some comments in the background, and there have been comments tonight. Why? And how do you go about doing that?

1056
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:36,860
Our builder-ovation homes has been doing active adult communities for almost 30 years.

1057
01:35:37,160 --> 01:35:43,400
I don't think it's bragging to say it's the leader of this type of housing in Northern Utah.

1058
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:49,200
We have many projects here in Latin, as has been accommodating.

1059
01:35:49,200 --> 01:35:57,960
You know, 60% of the citizens that live South of Gentile over on that West side are 55 and older.

1060
01:35:58,660 --> 01:36:08,820
There is a great need, and it does often open up housing that is affordable to others to allow them to move into a community

1061
01:36:08,820 --> 01:36:12,400
that is designed precisely for them.

1062
01:36:12,400 --> 01:36:19,460
houses don't have steps. They don't have slope. They're designed perfectly and the way we have

1063
01:36:19,460 --> 01:36:27,860
integrated a trail system into this and other communities, it's going to be highly desired

1064
01:36:27,860 --> 01:36:35,320
by these citizens that we value highly. Some of them we saw here earlier this evening. I am

1065
01:36:35,320 --> 01:36:44,480
to one of them. But with that, you see two types of active adult housing. You see targeted

1066
01:36:45,160 --> 01:36:52,280
and age restricted. What we've heard a lot of talk about is targeted that many of the builders

1067
01:36:52,280 --> 01:37:00,900
try to advertise to that demographic, but it's open to anybody. Anybody can can buy a home there.

1068
01:37:00,900 --> 01:37:16,120
We specifically build active adult communities and it's an exception under the Fair Housing Act that allows you, in essence, to discriminate against other demographics of buyers.

1069
01:37:18,360 --> 01:37:23,320
And allows you to create a community that's unique to that particular buyer.

1070
01:37:23,320 --> 01:37:29,100
it allows you to restrict the number of people that live in the home.

1071
01:37:30,200 --> 01:37:36,280
They are the CC&Rs that will be recorded, will require them to be oner occupied.

1072
01:37:37,380 --> 01:37:43,920
And one of the benefits that was one of the complaints raised by Mary's Meadow is the

1073
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:49,820
traffic acted the adult communities lower the traffic by 60%.

1074
01:37:49,820 --> 01:37:57,120
So this really does address one of the great concerns of the neighbors in the community.

1075
01:37:57,660 --> 01:38:02,880
So I wanted to point that out. I wanted to make clear that this will be on our occupied.

1076
01:38:03,500 --> 01:38:08,520
There will not be transience. The town homes will have their own HOA.

1077
01:38:08,740 --> 01:38:14,420
There will be then a master community agreement where everybody shares and pays for the amenities.

1078
01:38:14,420 --> 01:38:23,600
And those will not be committed to be owner occupied, although the vast majority will be sold that way,

1079
01:38:24,060 --> 01:38:35,220
but it will not necessarily be de-dressed, but I think that it's obviously impossible to please everybody,

1080
01:38:35,820 --> 01:38:41,100
but we have been working on this project now for well over three years.

1081
01:38:41,100 --> 01:38:52,920
We believe it's going to be a valued asset of the city and we would request your support tonight and allowing us to move forward with an approved

1082
01:38:52,920 --> 01:39:06,120
Resonant and the development agreement that does cap the number of homes and let us work continue to work with this city staff towards a preliminary plan on this project. Thank you.

1083
01:39:06,120 --> 01:39:08,940
Okay. Thank you very much. That's a good clarification.

1084
01:39:11,040 --> 01:39:22,660
Council, I'm going to bring it back to you at this time and entertain a motion to approve, deny whatever you want to do on this, but I'd like to go ahead and call for a vote at this time.

1085
01:39:23,760 --> 01:39:29,060
For you sir, I've heard twice from you now. I think that's good enough and it's now back to the Council. Take the direction.

1086
01:39:31,080 --> 01:39:32,760
Madam Mayor, may I ask a question?

1087
01:39:36,380 --> 01:39:39,760
The developer mentioned, thank you for being here.

1088
01:39:40,120 --> 01:39:40,820
Oh, there you are.

1089
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:47,220
The deed restricted versus the having the owner occupied, or the 505 holder excuse me,

1090
01:39:47,320 --> 01:39:48,080
and the CCNRs.

1091
01:39:48,740 --> 01:39:50,520
As of both, there's a one or the other.

1092
01:39:51,060 --> 01:39:53,220
How does that work?

1093
01:39:53,840 --> 01:40:01,060
So the CCNRs for the active adult portion, this 61 lots, are recorded against the law.

1094
01:40:01,060 --> 01:40:04,440
which creates an essence of data restriction.

1095
01:40:07,180 --> 01:40:11,320
Any other clarification from the council?

1096
01:40:16,140 --> 01:40:17,780
Then I'll call for action.

1097
01:40:29,140 --> 01:40:32,780
Madam Aaron, move that we approve the reason.

1098
01:40:33,940 --> 01:40:35,580
The concept of planning development agreement.

1099
01:40:36,380 --> 01:40:43,540
That would be resolution 25-03 and ordinance 25-02.

1100
01:40:56,710 --> 01:40:57,990
Thank you.

1101
01:40:58,030 --> 01:41:06,050
It's been moved in second that we adopt the Reson request and general plan concept plan.

1102
01:41:06,250 --> 01:41:08,970
I'll do a roll call vote on this.

1103
01:41:09,270 --> 01:41:09,990
Council member Thomas.

1104
01:41:14,200 --> 01:41:16,340
Council member Smith Edmonton.

1105
01:41:17,460 --> 01:41:20,880
Madam Mayor, I am going to OI on this.

1106
01:41:20,880 --> 01:41:28,360
They do still have some concerns about how the Deed Restriction piece will be enforced

1107
01:41:28,360 --> 01:41:34,860
on as far as the 55 and older if your evasion has a number of these properties in the

1108
01:41:34,860 --> 01:41:44,300
city already, what the actual demand is for this demographic, so I am still a little concerned

1109
01:41:44,300 --> 01:41:47,460
about that, but I will go I can thank you.

1110
01:41:47,460 --> 01:41:48,840
council member Morris.

1111
01:41:50,340 --> 01:41:51,760
Council member Watson.

1112
01:41:55,060 --> 01:41:57,420
Do you hear that?

1113
01:41:57,440 --> 01:41:58,760
I mean he said maybe.

1114
01:41:59,360 --> 01:42:00,080
Council member.

1115
01:42:02,900 --> 01:42:05,400
Councilman, box and do you mind restate that?

1116
01:42:09,410 --> 01:42:09,890
No.

1117
01:42:09,890 --> 01:42:11,190
I think it said no.

1118
01:42:11,470 --> 01:42:12,830
He said may the for some and no.

1119
01:42:12,930 --> 01:42:13,310
Oh, okay.

1120
01:42:13,730 --> 01:42:14,330
All right.

1121
01:42:15,170 --> 01:42:16,070
Council member Roberts.

1122
01:42:16,410 --> 01:42:18,510
May I like to explain my load as well please.

1123
01:42:18,510 --> 01:42:31,970
This is a tough night for me, a lot of you probably know that Mary was grandma off to me, so, and I live in Mary's house now, so this is a tough one.

1124
01:42:32,330 --> 01:42:43,830
I appreciate the work that's gone into it from both staff and the developer and the residents that have worked with a developer as well.

1125
01:42:43,830 --> 01:42:54,470
I understand the concerns that have been voiced, and I'll be voting yes for the reasons

1126
01:42:56,310 --> 01:43:02,730
that a community like this, a 55 and older, active adult, whatever you want to call

1127
01:43:02,730 --> 01:43:09,450
him, I've done a lot of research, I've driven through a lot of them, they very well

1128
01:43:09,450 --> 01:43:17,650
kept communities. I think they're good neighbors to have. I believe the statistics that

1129
01:43:17,650 --> 01:43:24,650
it's reduced traffic. So for all of those reasons, I'll be voting. Yes, Mayor, thank

1130
01:43:24,650 --> 01:43:31,570
you. Thank you very much. So resolution 25 national three passes for one.

1131
01:43:36,410 --> 01:43:37,730
Okay. Well, now

1132
01:43:37,730 --> 01:43:40,990
to raise our request for the East View subdivisions.

1133
01:43:42,370 --> 01:43:44,570
So long, do you like Mr. Kraald?

1134
01:43:44,930 --> 01:43:46,410
Do you want to dedicate this on this one?

1135
01:43:47,770 --> 01:43:48,290
Thank you, Mayor.

1136
01:43:48,630 --> 01:43:52,950
And so we have ordnance 2503, which is a request

1137
01:43:53,670 --> 01:43:57,890
to combine two parcels into one lot.

1138
01:43:58,610 --> 01:44:00,990
And also to resolve the property from R18,

1139
01:44:01,850 --> 01:44:04,250
a portion of the property from R18 to R16.

1140
01:44:04,250 --> 01:44:11,250
This property is located at a price that will actually at 97 south and 225 east.

1141
01:44:11,550 --> 01:44:18,230
It's adjacent to I-15 as you can see, and Union Pacific, and there's also a large transmission

1142
01:44:18,230 --> 01:44:21,690
power line that goes along the back of the property.

1143
01:44:22,530 --> 01:44:24,890
Mr. Austin Ford has made this application.

1144
01:44:24,890 --> 01:44:30,310
He would like to combine these lots of your own spoke properties for the purpose of construction

1145
01:44:30,310 --> 01:44:36,090
constructing an accessory structure. He would like to clean up the back of his property and put use

1146
01:44:36,090 --> 01:44:43,190
vehicles into that accessory structure or a road that's required a primary structure in order to

1147
01:44:43,710 --> 01:44:51,490
Construct an accessory structure, and that's where the that's the reason why he is being asked to combine these lots and he's agreed to do so

1148
01:44:52,970 --> 01:44:57,270
This request is double the size of his lot, so he needs all the requirements of

1149
01:44:58,030 --> 01:44:59,970
of the R1's 6 out of it.

1150
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,980
You can see that the only R1-8 zoning in this area is actually along with the front edge of I-15. These are all backs of lots, transmission line roster here, and so he's surrounded in the annulment by R1-6 slots. So his request is to combine these lots into one and creating the Austin Fort subdivision, and then reason on the property from R1-8 to R1-6 to be consistent with the property he wants.

1151
01:45:32,220 --> 01:45:41,820
Please recommend a approval on January 28 and staff I support that recommendation to you this evening and I'm happy to answer any questions.

1152
01:45:41,840 --> 01:45:43,880
Any questions, council?

1153
01:45:46,640 --> 01:45:48,720
I have a one question.

1154
01:45:50,060 --> 01:46:00,940
So, property that's right in front of this right next to him is that that's a separate honor.

1155
01:46:02,060 --> 01:46:02,160
Okay.

1156
01:46:06,810 --> 01:46:07,630
Any other questions?

1157
01:46:11,170 --> 01:46:12,750
Kate, there's no further questions in.

1158
01:46:12,870 --> 01:46:16,830
I'll open it up for public comments regarding item number B on their public hearing.

1159
01:46:20,500 --> 01:46:24,620
Once again, if you approach, you can just state your name that'd be great.

1160
01:46:28,780 --> 01:46:45,040
Hi, my name is Elaine Lofado, and I live next door to this, the 98-987 South-225 East, and so

1161
01:46:45,040 --> 01:46:58,310
my concern is that I wrote an email on Jan to thank me because I was concerned, and I am

1162
01:47:03,290 --> 01:47:13,570
And living next door to him has been in my bed, because it's constant cars roaring coming in and out, there's always cars.

1163
01:47:15,090 --> 01:47:19,030
I love to work in my garden on retired from the Navy.

1164
01:47:19,970 --> 01:47:24,890
And after being in Iraq, I can't handle it out there.

1165
01:47:25,530 --> 01:47:32,330
It's constantly roaring in the summertime and the weekends, Saturday, Sunday, all the time.

1166
01:47:32,730 --> 01:47:35,590
I've even asked him, please, can you keep it now?

1167
01:47:36,430 --> 01:47:42,350
So, like the service, where is he going to, what's he's doing to the property?

1168
01:47:43,330 --> 01:47:48,370
Where does this disposal of the oils and the field going to, what's he going to do with

1169
01:47:48,370 --> 01:47:50,930
because he's going to build a garage.

1170
01:47:51,850 --> 01:47:53,230
What about fire protection?

1171
01:47:54,930 --> 01:47:57,810
And how close it right now he has people,

1172
01:47:58,250 --> 01:47:59,540
whether that forgets my faith,

1173
01:48:00,370 --> 01:48:02,670
but how does the fire break sound or something?

1174
01:48:03,170 --> 01:48:04,730
What about our insurance?

1175
01:48:05,770 --> 01:48:07,550
Who's going to be responsible for that?

1176
01:48:08,810 --> 01:48:10,270
So, not most of my concerns.

1177
01:48:10,570 --> 01:48:12,590
I had sent a detailed email,

1178
01:48:13,210 --> 01:48:16,270
and I'm not going to read now because it's too late anyway.

1179
01:48:16,270 --> 01:48:24,030
but those of my concerns, so thanks for listening and I hope none of you have to get a neighbor like that.

1180
01:48:24,470 --> 01:48:25,690
Thank you.

1181
01:48:25,710 --> 01:48:26,550
Thank you.

1182
01:48:27,070 --> 01:48:28,590
Can we appreciate your service?

1183
01:48:29,750 --> 01:48:33,670
I would like to speak up with Orange Agent.

1184
01:48:34,090 --> 01:48:36,490
My brother is the surviving Orange Agent.

1185
01:48:36,890 --> 01:48:41,170
He's 77 years old right now and he's suffering with Orange Agent.

1186
01:48:41,350 --> 01:48:42,670
So I'm a woman's favorite.

1187
01:48:42,670 --> 01:48:44,110
Thank you.

1188
01:48:44,850 --> 01:48:45,270
Next.

1189
01:48:50,160 --> 01:48:51,480
My name is Austin Ford.

1190
01:48:51,600 --> 01:48:53,760
I'm the owner of those two properties.

1191
01:48:55,040 --> 01:48:56,100
I do this a lobby.

1192
01:48:56,520 --> 01:48:57,620
I have a lot of vehicles.

1193
01:48:58,560 --> 01:48:59,380
She is correct.

1194
01:48:59,560 --> 01:49:00,860
You know, I have a lot.

1195
01:49:01,020 --> 01:49:03,220
And I constantly drive them in and out.

1196
01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:05,190
I restore them as much as I can.

1197
01:49:06,220 --> 01:49:08,800
Regarding fuel disposal and oil disposal.

1198
01:49:09,140 --> 01:49:10,640
You know, let's drop off to the right leases.

1199
01:49:10,820 --> 01:49:12,800
I know how this and they take that for free.

1200
01:49:13,440 --> 01:49:16,500
So that's obviously not dumped on property or anything like that.

1201
01:49:16,500 --> 01:49:24,660
However, to build this garage, we'll solve a lot of relationships with the vehicle being parked next to her fence

1202
01:49:25,200 --> 01:49:28,500
as they'll be parked inside and woke up.

1203
01:49:29,940 --> 01:49:32,980
I don't know if I need to really have anything for that,

1204
01:49:35,500 --> 01:49:35,800
Chris.

1205
01:49:37,960 --> 01:49:39,440
I have one question for you.

1206
01:49:40,020 --> 01:49:45,720
Regarding the noise, do you see them that this is such a hobbyist, and you'll be working on these cars inside

1207
01:49:45,720 --> 01:49:51,460
that you would mitigate that noise or would know that actually out on the street.

1208
01:49:51,580 --> 01:49:58,560
A lot of that would be less than as I do do it in my backyard to bring as much noise as possible.

1209
01:49:59,200 --> 01:50:07,500
I do have a couple of vehicles that are extremely loud, however they are classics, and they are welcome to be that just because of the year it will be a cool.

1210
01:50:07,820 --> 01:50:08,860
Okay, thank you.

1211
01:50:14,330 --> 01:50:15,070
Any other comments?

1212
01:50:24,590 --> 01:50:26,370
Yeah, my name is Sarah Hansen.

1213
01:50:26,370 --> 01:50:32,050
I'm actually Austin's mom, so I think we just need like a tiny bit of clarification that he left out.

1214
01:50:32,350 --> 01:50:37,030
So originally when him and his wife purchased this property, we were not aware that they were not

1215
01:50:37,030 --> 01:50:43,990
zoned the same. So there was a red flag that came up in the mortgage part of it and they were combined

1216
01:50:43,990 --> 01:50:50,710
via the taxes for the county, but late in but never with late in city. So we had never dealt with

1217
01:50:50,710 --> 01:50:56,430
something like that and so there actually is a structure on the back part of the property that

1218
01:50:56,430 --> 01:51:02,350
we're trying to rezone that he's trying to rezone that is dilapidated so that is actually

1219
01:51:02,350 --> 01:51:09,410
the whole purpose is to put a better healthier structure there for safety to be honest so I

1220
01:51:09,410 --> 01:51:12,150
just thought that should be kind of clarify. Okay thank

1221
01:51:21,490 --> 01:51:28,020
you everyone at this time I think I'll

1222
01:51:28,020 --> 01:51:33,440
go ahead and bring it back to the Council for action, which Council, if you could, if you

1223
01:51:33,440 --> 01:51:36,480
make your motion, would you mind closing the public area in as well?

1224
01:51:42,070 --> 01:51:48,750
So, just clarifying after the public area in is this one, maybe this is for the applicant,

1225
01:51:48,930 --> 01:51:54,390
but is this one tax ID then and we're just bringing it up to meet with the county?

1226
01:51:55,470 --> 01:52:01,070
Correct, it's actually one tax ID, but I'll show you a map that I made earlier to help us

1227
01:52:01,070 --> 01:52:07,830
understand. The county actually recorded beads to separate this lot to one four, which

1228
01:52:07,830 --> 01:52:13,630
used the total four that actually included all of this land. It was never legally subdivided.

1229
01:52:15,650 --> 01:52:20,690
And so the county shows separate parcels for them and for their neighbor and for this person

1230
01:52:20,690 --> 01:52:31,050
and this person, but it's as far as we're concerned because of the subdivision ordinances that we

1231
01:52:31,050 --> 01:52:39,050
And so this will create a legal subdivision for this parcel that is currently shown as a one on the county tax records.

1232
01:52:43,770 --> 01:52:54,790
Yeah, it's going to take a look at this, but similar, but we did with what was proposed that we had loaded on the desert industries.

1233
01:52:56,070 --> 01:53:01,730
The building, desert industries, behind the B.I. between the B.I. and the Foreign

1234
01:53:01,730 --> 01:53:02,430
Research Center.

1235
01:53:02,990 --> 01:53:03,990
Is this similar?

1236
01:53:04,530 --> 01:53:05,950
I'm assuming it's B.I.

1237
01:53:05,950 --> 01:53:06,270
Okay.

1238
01:53:06,930 --> 01:53:07,690
All right.

1239
01:53:07,990 --> 01:53:08,310
Okay.

1240
01:53:11,010 --> 01:53:16,570
That's a good analogy though, that helps clarify any of the questions here.

1241
01:53:16,670 --> 01:53:16,910
Council.

1242
01:53:16,910 --> 01:53:18,710
Otherwise, I'd like for motion.

1243
01:53:23,580 --> 01:53:24,300
Madam Mayor.

1244
01:53:24,300 --> 01:53:25,120
Madam Mayor.

1245
01:53:25,840 --> 01:53:29,540
I'll make a motion to close the public hearing and adopt ordinance.

1246
01:53:29,540 --> 01:53:32,600
It's 25-0-3.

1247
01:53:33,480 --> 01:53:34,360
There's a second.

1248
01:53:35,220 --> 01:53:36,480
It's been moved in second.

1249
01:53:36,720 --> 01:53:40,220
We closed our public hearing and adopted ordinance 25-0-3.

1250
01:53:40,720 --> 01:53:42,400
Let's again, I'll do a roll call vote.

1251
01:53:43,400 --> 01:53:45,380
I'll start with Councilmember Roberts.

1252
01:53:47,680 --> 01:53:48,720
Councilmember Blocksham?

1253
01:53:49,860 --> 01:53:49,880
Yes.

1254
01:53:50,760 --> 01:53:51,000
Okay.

1255
01:53:51,780 --> 01:53:52,340
Councilmember Morris?

1256
01:53:53,340 --> 01:53:53,520
Aye.

1257
01:53:54,400 --> 01:53:55,020
Councilmember.

1258
01:53:55,020 --> 01:53:55,700
Set that into?

1259
01:53:57,020 --> 01:53:57,940
And Councilmember Thomas?

1260
01:53:59,060 --> 01:53:59,300
Aye.

1261
01:53:59,920 --> 01:54:07,980
Okay, there you have it, the Austin Ford subdivision is passed unanimously, and the closed

1262
01:54:07,980 --> 01:54:14,460
are public hearing, it also is a conclusion of our regular schedule meeting as well.

1263
01:54:15,960 --> 01:54:20,900
So, with that, you hold up your hat to do you have it, it's an unfinished business.

1264
01:54:25,120 --> 01:54:25,420
You do?

1265
01:54:25,600 --> 01:54:26,460
Go ahead and do.

1266
01:54:26,460 --> 01:54:28,120
Do you have something you want to bring forward?

1267
01:54:28,440 --> 01:54:28,760
Go ahead.

1268
01:54:28,760 --> 01:54:35,580
Yes, so in the citizens comments, the baseball and softball

1269
01:54:35,580 --> 01:54:39,900
folks brought up something that was brought up during our last council meeting, and I think

1270
01:54:39,900 --> 01:54:47,400
we probably forgot to discuss it or bring it up, and so I know I was wondering, do we have

1271
01:54:47,400 --> 01:54:52,780
any information I know that Parks and Rec has left the building tonight, but do we have any

1272
01:54:52,780 --> 01:55:02,760
information about why that we removed our latent city, baseball and softball folks from

1273
01:55:02,760 --> 01:55:07,640
that tournament, that's something that we forgot to bring up earlier, so.

1274
01:55:07,900 --> 01:55:08,440
Okay, yes.

1275
01:55:08,940 --> 01:55:10,860
I think that was going to take to that.

1276
01:55:10,980 --> 01:55:11,240
Yeah.

1277
01:55:11,740 --> 01:55:16,780
Why should we put that to a talk with the Council of Robertson and the mayor and the mayor and

1278
01:55:16,780 --> 01:55:23,600
of tons about it and also take price, but essentially what I think the underlying issue

1279
01:55:23,600 --> 01:55:29,840
is that it was started at the request of case Bill Sidd, a couple of years ago, the requests

1280
01:55:29,840 --> 01:55:38,420
to have this extra turmoil to involve various cities competing against each other, and similar

1281
01:55:38,420 --> 01:55:42,500
to a contemplative basis, but we've talked about this evening, but the cities were the ones

1282
01:55:42,500 --> 01:55:46,440
that were involved in identifying who those people were, so it became a city sponsored

1283
01:55:46,440 --> 01:55:51,400
all-start team, if you will, as opposed to a coach that's sponsored, and there's now

1284
01:55:51,400 --> 01:55:57,000
all-start team that takes place, at the end of the regular recreation season, right?

1285
01:55:57,460 --> 01:56:01,780
That display on the third or fourth of July, you should be the fourth most served joy typically.

1286
01:56:03,040 --> 01:56:07,880
So it was sort of as an experiment, what we have found is that we, from the preparation

1287
01:56:07,880 --> 01:56:14,480
perspective, is that we're, the people that are going to say this, the underlying issue seems

1288
01:56:14,480 --> 01:56:20,240
be that the people that are concerned about this change are individuals who are appropriately

1289
01:56:20,240 --> 01:56:26,160
want their kids to have more of a comp league type, highly competitive environment and experience,

1290
01:56:28,180 --> 01:56:31,720
and with the city being involved in this in the past, they've been able to do that in

1291
01:56:31,720 --> 01:56:37,100
much cheaper rates and actually enroll in their kids in competition sports. We was a recreation program

1292
01:56:37,100 --> 01:56:41,040
typically we don't have competitive program.

1293
01:56:41,340 --> 01:56:44,220
That's the five-man individuals to do that.

1294
01:56:44,660 --> 01:56:48,340
And so the challenge is for people who don't want to pay the money

1295
01:56:48,340 --> 01:56:53,280
to have a big time that competitively they have enjoyed this opportunity

1296
01:56:53,280 --> 01:56:57,080
to have a glimpse of that competitive, really competitive experience.

1297
01:56:58,260 --> 01:57:00,820
For the status perspective, one of the challenges that has occurred

1298
01:57:00,820 --> 01:57:04,760
which always occurs when you have parents and coaches

1299
01:57:04,760 --> 01:57:11,260
and kids in competitive lengths, it becomes very competitive and the issues, some of the issues

1300
01:57:11,260 --> 01:57:19,560
that we've talked about before in a rectal run or getting to show themselves in this environment

1301
01:57:19,560 --> 01:57:20,640
as well.

1302
01:57:21,060 --> 01:57:26,360
And so, from the staff's perspective, we were a recreation program and we ought to be recreation

1303
01:57:26,360 --> 01:57:32,040
or we ought to be competitive, not kind of a hybrid, because in between we have about, I think

1304
01:57:32,040 --> 01:57:39,140
the number was 10 to 12,000 kids involved in the recreational league, as mentioned tonight

1305
01:57:39,140 --> 01:57:44,080
there's a hundred or fifty or so kids that are participating in this extra creature

1306
01:57:44,080 --> 01:57:52,020
or so, in terms of the overall focus of the programs, the staff has felt like that

1307
01:57:52,020 --> 01:57:57,160
it's better to focus our efforts on creating a great experience for a recreational level

1308
01:57:57,160 --> 01:58:01,700
keeps it more play. It's not based on totally winning on losing, but

1309
01:58:01,700 --> 01:58:05,120
learning the sport and having a good time at enjoying it. If individuals

1310
01:58:05,120 --> 01:58:09,980
want to have their children receive something in addition to that, they can do

1311
01:58:09,980 --> 01:58:16,360
that through a competitive league. So that's kind of a short version of it.

1312
01:58:18,320 --> 01:58:19,780
Do I help?

1313
01:58:21,340 --> 01:58:21,880
Yeah.

1314
01:58:22,720 --> 01:58:22,960
I know.

1315
01:58:23,200 --> 01:58:23,780
It's not one.

1316
01:58:24,200 --> 01:58:25,720
Because you get it.

1317
01:58:25,900 --> 01:58:27,740
I might order this session on that later.

1318
01:58:28,280 --> 01:58:29,280
Not necessarily tonight.

1319
01:58:29,620 --> 01:58:34,060
But I would like for us to talk about that a little bit further.

1320
01:58:38,280 --> 01:58:39,320
That's the ace.

1321
01:58:39,600 --> 01:58:40,140
That's the question.

1322
01:58:42,180 --> 01:58:44,260
So I've talked to several parents,

1323
01:58:45,320 --> 01:58:55,260
Baseball parents, self-ball parents, and I can feel for them because they didn't know about it until they went to sign up,

1324
01:58:56,360 --> 01:59:01,740
where alternatively they could have gone to another league or gone to a comp team.

1325
01:59:03,180 --> 01:59:10,790
I'd like to see if there's an option to continue as it was expected this year,

1326
01:59:10,790 --> 01:59:18,830
because I think a lot of teams just anticipated it was the same with little warning, and then

1327
01:59:20,140 --> 01:59:27,100
maybe with better communication, if that's what the decision next year, and that's a thought I have.

1328
01:59:28,260 --> 01:59:28,820
That's fair.

1329
01:59:29,500 --> 01:59:30,420
I agree.

1330
01:59:31,840 --> 01:59:33,340
Mr. Clarify on that.

1331
01:59:33,340 --> 01:59:41,740
My understanding is that the changes were especially parts of recognition and were supported by them.

1332
01:59:41,740 --> 01:59:47,780
And at the moment of the time of what you can make changes to the programs is not outside of the scope of when people are registering,

1333
01:59:47,800 --> 01:59:55,040
rather than sending something out, such as seven months earlier when those programs are being contemplated

1334
01:59:55,040 --> 01:59:59,560
and expect people to remember that. This was put out of this testimony, Albert said.

1335
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:04,620
We're beginning with the registration period, and my understanding is that period was four to six weeks.

1336
02:00:06,180 --> 02:00:13,180
Some people were notified, because there might typically be a notification, just a program space on one of the registration for that program goes out.

1337
02:00:14,120 --> 02:00:21,040
We've understood, the staffs understood the person back there, there may be some individuals who,

1338
02:00:24,860 --> 02:00:25,160
who, who,

1339
02:00:25,160 --> 02:00:29,380
they previously paid money toward the city but we fund that money so we're not trying

1340
02:00:29,380 --> 02:00:32,980
to lock anybody in and try to create such a little career in this and that's something

1341
02:00:32,980 --> 02:00:38,860
that's a good idea or a bad idea but I think the registration, the notification went out

1342
02:00:38,860 --> 02:00:42,580
just this in a way that all notifications go out and change these programs and that's when

1343
02:00:42,580 --> 02:00:48,700
the next year comes around and the program should be registered for both the coaches and to

1344
02:00:48,700 --> 02:00:53,180
and the players of the Federation goes that goes out.

1345
02:00:56,600 --> 02:01:03,660
I just think that with the communication that goes out through the mail in what not,

1346
02:01:03,660 --> 02:01:07,580
we already know that they're restricted in what they can say and what they can't say.

1347
02:01:07,660 --> 02:01:13,100
And I know when you go online, there's some little messages here and there that tell you about different things that are happening.

1348
02:01:13,100 --> 02:01:17,900
You know, like with swimming, if the pool is closed during certain times, all of that is there.

1349
02:01:18,040 --> 02:01:23,780
But I think something like this that perhaps staff knew was on a trail basis, folks.

1350
02:01:24,340 --> 02:01:26,020
You know, I can speak for myself.

1351
02:01:26,180 --> 02:01:32,060
My kids aren't old enough to be in that portion of it currently, but they do all of the other sports.

1352
02:01:32,660 --> 02:01:36,380
And if I, you know, I have a six year older eight year old.

1353
02:01:36,380 --> 02:01:40,100
I'm not thinking about a tournament that they might be in when they're in junior high school.

1354
02:01:40,100 --> 02:01:44,000
And so you may have some parents who have signed up and then they realize, oh, you know,

1355
02:01:44,140 --> 02:01:47,840
my kids have the opportunity to play in this tournament and then it becomes a thing that

1356
02:01:47,840 --> 02:01:49,060
they enjoy and that they love.

1357
02:01:49,180 --> 02:01:54,680
Not knowing it's a temporary basis, I didn't know it was a temporary basis either.

1358
02:01:55,060 --> 02:02:02,220
And so, to Council Member Roberts' point, giving time for that information, that communication,

1359
02:02:02,760 --> 02:02:09,220
you know, kind of Lawrence more, I think something like this warrants more communication for parents

1360
02:02:09,220 --> 02:02:14,860
and students, kids who are participating, and that's why I asked what the reason was,

1361
02:02:15,080 --> 02:02:21,000
like if there were financial issue, if there were not enough staff to continue to help

1362
02:02:21,000 --> 02:02:26,380
during that time, if it was something like that, then that's something that's a little bit

1363
02:02:26,380 --> 02:02:32,020
easier to understand, but if it's because parents are being too hungry or whatever it is,

1364
02:02:32,180 --> 02:02:36,700
then I think those are things that can be mitigated with communication, but without having that

1365
02:02:36,700 --> 02:02:43,840
opportunity, then it just seems like we're taking services away without really having a reason.

1366
02:02:44,580 --> 02:02:50,580
And I think, you know, for me, I wouldn't appreciate that if I were one of those same parents.

1367
02:02:50,940 --> 02:02:56,920
So if there's something that we can do to offer that this year and say, hey, you know, we've had some concerns.

1368
02:02:57,200 --> 02:03:00,940
These are the concerns we've had, just like we do when there are other issues.

1369
02:03:00,940 --> 02:03:07,620
letting them know what those issues are and giving some advanced notice. I think that's like the least we could do

1370
02:03:09,960 --> 02:03:12,160
Okay, anybody else still same way

1371
02:03:14,710 --> 02:03:21,130
If they like you want to keep the program this year, and then given that's notice. I'm

1372
02:03:21,130 --> 02:03:22,390
a little torn

1373
02:03:23,190 --> 02:03:23,750
I

1374
02:03:23,750 --> 02:03:25,850
Probably the biggest baseball

1375
02:03:27,350 --> 02:03:28,470
person here,

1376
02:03:28,490 --> 02:03:30,430
spend a lot of years

1377
02:03:30,430 --> 02:03:35,510
Holding, trying to help kids,

1378
02:03:38,320 --> 02:03:46,200
one thing I feel, and I agree with what you said, totally,

1379
02:03:47,940 --> 02:03:57,360
I agree with what's sort of a share, but at the same time, I'm a little bit torn, because

1380
02:03:57,360 --> 02:04:09,540
I raised my kids and we played REC and we played calm and we went from REC to calm.

1381
02:04:10,180 --> 02:04:14,240
I think there's ways that you can do the same thing.

1382
02:04:14,820 --> 02:04:23,920
The only difference is I think one portion is saying less let the city play for it.

1383
02:04:24,000 --> 02:04:27,620
The other part of it is as maybe I can go on from here

1384
02:04:27,620 --> 02:04:41,560
And take this team, you know, I don't know what the cost would be, you know, it's like you don't take it away from them, but it does take individuals that are willing to step up.

1385
02:04:42,140 --> 02:04:49,080
And so I see it both ways. And I would like some better clarification as to why.

1386
02:04:49,080 --> 02:04:55,660
and then go from there. I'm not saying that, you

1387
02:04:59,210 --> 02:05:04,410
know, you know, if you let it go

1388
02:05:04,410 --> 02:05:12,090
another year, what are we accomplishing? Okay, and the other part is, if we let it go

1389
02:05:12,090 --> 02:05:21,750
another year, maybe we can fix what was wrong. So I'm kind of, I'm sitting on the fence

1390
02:05:26,060 --> 02:05:34,700
Yeah, I don't disagree with any of the reasoning for discontinuing up, if you will.

1391
02:05:35,980 --> 02:05:38,500
And I'm not pointing fingers at anyone that made that decision.

1392
02:05:39,740 --> 02:05:49,000
I think it was a tough blow for, I mean, we saw some kids stand up and pour their heart out, you know, for what they love and what they look forward to.

1393
02:05:49,000 --> 02:05:55,560
So I think it's worth a discussion further and see if we can maybe make this your workout.

1394
02:05:56,520 --> 02:06:03,800
I mean, right now where I said that's why I'm a favorite of a club to have a discussion about it.

1395
02:06:04,000 --> 02:06:05,160
Okay, that's there.

1396
02:06:05,800 --> 02:06:08,080
You know, it is in the February.

1397
02:06:09,300 --> 02:06:11,480
And we heard earlier how short the season is.

1398
02:06:11,480 --> 02:06:18,300
Anyway, it's only four weeks in May and June, or the Telene May in the June,

1399
02:06:20,400 --> 02:06:20,860
so I'd

1400
02:06:20,860 --> 02:06:27,180
say, yes, let's continue this conversation and make our decisions so that the Parks

1401
02:06:27,180 --> 02:06:32,980
and Rec folks know, as well as the kids that are participating in the program, if we're

1402
02:06:32,980 --> 02:06:40,160
going to continue this year with the caveat that it needs to be either one fine-tuned or

1403
02:06:40,160 --> 02:06:45,700
to know that this is the last year or so, I mean, this is a good discussion on glad you

1404
02:06:45,700 --> 02:06:52,220
brought that so that we can, you know, make sure we do it right for our kids, you know,

1405
02:06:52,320 --> 02:06:53,040
it's a great program.

1406
02:06:53,240 --> 02:06:57,600
I mean, I'm glad to see that we do have our all-star program that's part of the recreation

1407
02:06:58,700 --> 02:07:04,180
that we've brought to our attention a few years ago that it needed to be moved to July 3rd,

1408
02:07:04,300 --> 02:07:08,040
so that these kids can enjoy the parade as well, because typically they would have been

1409
02:07:08,040 --> 02:07:13,980
I analyze it fourth and most of them miss the parade, but instead now we get to honor them in the parade.

1410
02:07:14,460 --> 02:07:21,040
So I think that's these are the type of discussions that we have that basically just better the program all the way around.

1411
02:07:22,760 --> 02:07:28,640
So council would say that probably our next what we probably have a discussion system.

1412
02:07:30,160 --> 02:07:31,300
All right, what that is.

1413
02:07:31,340 --> 02:07:32,480
Is there any other unfinished business?

1414
02:07:32,800 --> 02:07:36,200
It's not I will entertain a motion to close.

1415
02:07:36,200 --> 02:07:44,300
However, knowing that tonight was a very moving evening, we've certainly had a lot of veterans

1416
02:07:44,300 --> 02:07:45,100
in the crowd.

1417
02:07:45,280 --> 02:07:50,880
We have heard from other residents that have served in our country, and I just have to say,

1418
02:07:50,940 --> 02:07:51,760
thank you very much.

1419
02:07:51,940 --> 02:07:59,280
We're very blessed for their dedication to our freedom and to your voices fantastic.

1420
02:07:59,700 --> 02:08:02,220
I think you need to try out for the Davis Arts Council.

1421
02:08:02,880 --> 02:08:06,320
go on their website and tell me you want to try out for that.

1422
02:08:06,520 --> 02:08:08,500
A lot of people need to hear your voice, it was beautiful.

1423
02:08:09,680 --> 02:08:13,520
With that, I'll entertain emotions because...

1424
02:08:15,250 --> 02:08:16,570
I don't know, emotions.

1425
02:08:17,650 --> 02:08:18,770
I've took close to meeting.

1426
02:08:20,050 --> 02:08:24,130
Okay, I'll let knowledge that motion and thank everyone for being here tonight

1427
02:08:24,130 --> 02:08:27,910
and participating. It was good meeting tonight, so thank you very much.