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[0:02] Ladies and City Council meeting, February 20, 2025.
[0:16] Local meetings? Yes, I could use the gavel. So far, I have never used it, and I appreciate you guys because I don't have to know.
[0:24] Thank you very much. There you go. This meeting starts.
[0:33] Okay, I'd like to welcome everyone out to our
[0:36] late in city council meeting this evening for February 20th.
[0:40] Our start time is 7.11.
[0:43] And we will, as cast Mary, I like to
[0:47] take turns up here on the diocese far as conducting our
[0:50] meeting, but certainly we respect the
[0:54] three of them at this country.
[0:56] And so we do want to start each meeting with a prayer and a pledge.
[1:01] And tonight, I'm going to go to the young lady here, Hannah Tork, who's willing to offer
[1:07] our prayer.
[1:08] So Hannah, would you like to come up and say in our prayer force?
[1:16] I'd do a kind of gracious and heavenly Father, we are so grateful to gather here today
[1:20] as a community.
[1:21] We're grateful for the freedoms that we are allowed in this country, and we're grateful
[1:25] for those who protect it and honor the customs.
[1:28] We ask you at this time to please bless us that this meeting can be productive and that voice
[1:33] us can be heard and parts can be softened and we ask these things humbly in the name of
[1:38] advice on Jews for Christ's payment.
[1:40] Thank you very much.
[1:43] Okay.
[1:43] In addition to that, knowing that we had so many veterans here in the crowd, Mr. Andy Vigil is
[1:49] going to lead us in the pledge of allegiance, so Andy, would you mind coming up?
[1:53] And that you can all rise?
[1:58] All rise and now, but to hands of where you are, we need to present a proper handshake.
[2:07] I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands.
[2:15] One nation, under God, and to physical with liberty and justice for all.
[2:24] Okay, thank you both very much. I really appreciate it. And typically at this point we'd go ahead and get started with our meeting. However, I had an opportunity to attend the meeting this week and
[2:37] heard a
[2:38] person that's a very fabulous voice that song our national anthem and she agreed to come here tonight to
[2:46] Sing it for us. So I'd like to introduce
[2:48] Miss Deal do that and Jill if you wouldn't like coming up and I know you don't need a mic, but
[2:54] We could just come up and then say to Crowd, we'd really appreciate them.
[4:25] You can see why I'm invited or to come to see what this is share her great talent.
[4:30] So thank you very much, Yulf.
[4:34] I do want to acknowledge that I do have a full quorum here tonight.
[4:39] Although, Councilman, Luxem is not sitting next to me.
[4:42] He is in attendance online.
[4:44] So I do want to say that this council is full body is here tonight as well.
[4:48] So, I'll now bring it back to the Council Council.
[4:52] We have one set of minutes that need to be approved, which is from our January 15, 2025 special waiting.
[5:02] So, Council, if you don't have any corrections, I'll look for some action on that.
[5:08] Madam Mayor, I did some one grammatical correction and that will be made.
[5:14] It was just a spelling error.
[5:16] So I'd move that way, except the minutes of the wait and city council special meeting from January 15, 2025, with that correction.
[5:25] Okay, it's been moved in a second that we adopt the minutes as written or with the correction that excuse me.
[5:31] All in favor, please say aye.
[5:34] Aye.
[5:35] But that's it.
[5:37] Okay, sweet.
[5:38] Okay.
[5:38] Aye.
[5:38] I heard Jack as well.
[5:39] So thank you.
[5:41] It's been accepted unanimously.
[5:43] Okay, we'll move on to our municipal announcements at this time, so I know usually we have a couple of those by our council members, so we'll turn the time over to them to make whatever announcements they have.
[5:55] Thank you, Madam Mayor. Two things from our Parks and Recreation Department. First of all, we had a great Valentine's Dance last week.
[6:03] I'm great attendance, I heard some say that it was one of the more attentive well attended.
[6:09] Could have been the great music. I think the great music was awesome. Good variety of music from the live band.
[6:17] Coming up next month, March 7th, it'll be a Friday evening from 6 to 8 p.m. at our latent branch of the Davis County Library.
[6:26] Just down the road here, we'll have a family recreation event, as I've said before, it's the day that the kids can come and be loud at the library, it's a great night for them.
[6:38] The theme this year will be space, so where your storm trip or uniforms, bring your lightsabers and have fun as a family.
[6:48] Thank you, Mayor.
[6:49] Thank you.
[6:50] Very good.
[6:50] Thank you.
[6:51] Anyone else?
[6:53] No?
[6:54] Okay.
[6:55] Well, thanks.
[6:55] I really appreciate that.
[6:56] And, like you can see, you can see here that our Parks Department really has some fun
[7:02] engaging activities that are family friendly and they try to plan at least one
[7:07] of a month.
[7:07] Anyway, thank you.
[7:10] We'll now go on.
[7:11] How do not have any verbal petitions or presentations tonight?
[7:14] However, we will move on down to our citizens comment portion of our meeting.
[7:19] So this is the portion of the meeting where if you have an item you want to bring before
[7:24] this body, you're welcome to, however, if you're here for one of our public hearing items,
[7:30] then you can hold those comments until that time and we'll hear them at the appropriate
[7:34] matter that we'll be discussing at that time, so we do ask that if you want to make any
[7:43] comments here that you can step up to either side of the podium here and state your name.
[7:50] And we ask that you keep your comments to within three minutes if possible.
[7:58] It was certainly if you represent the larger group of entertainers longer time.
[8:03] And we ask that hopefully none of the items are repeated for the information.
[8:07] And one last thing I want you to know that the citizens comment portion of our meeting
[8:11] is meant for us to receive the information we don't engage in any dialogue or debate or anything
[8:17] like that at this time but certainly we will make sure that all that is recorded and then
[8:23] reported back to us as counsel as well as you as residents. So with that I'll go ahead and turn
[8:28] the time over to you.
[8:43] My name is Travis Greene. I stand before you today as a parent and a coach
[8:49] for the past 16 years out of the privilege of coaching various sports here in leading and
[8:53] including baseball and softball to come in before you to express my deep concerns concerning
[8:59] latent cities, recent decisions not to participate in the Northern Utah All-Star Tournament
[9:04] this summer.
[9:06] This year when we went to register our kids for baseball and softball, the Parks & Merch page included
[9:11] an announcement.
[9:11] The leading city would not be participating in the All-Star Tournament this summer and instead
[9:16] would focus their efforts on the Liberty Day exhibition games.
[9:20] I've chosen this all-star tournament for the past five seasons and it can personally
[9:25] attest the incredible experience has provided our young athletes.
[9:29] The tournament allows our children to compete at a higher level of competition, extending
[9:33] their seasons and helping their development.
[9:36] It's a unique opportunity for those who might not otherwise have a chance to participate
[9:40] and get a competitive sports league.
[9:43] Many families in late and elective resources to enroll their children in competitive leagues.
[9:47] The Northern Utah All-Sorturnant has been a lifeline to these children and their families,
[9:52] offering them a chance to compete at a higher level against other cities in the county.
[9:57] The tournament has two weeks worth of pool play and tournament games.
[10:01] I have also coached in the past the exhibition games that have happened on the Fourth of July,
[10:06] and this experience cannot match the experience of the All-Sorturnary.
[10:10] Our kids already participated in the Liberty Age exhibition games, and this change has not added any benefit to them.
[10:18] By late not participating in this tournament, we diminished our competitive nature of what we've explored.
[10:25] Parents increasingly choose to sign their children up in neighboring cities like Farmington and KZL,
[10:30] believing them to offer better competition facilities and management.
[10:34] And I've had six parents from the teams I coach last year and for me that they've decided
[10:38] to move their children to other cities, or competitively solely because of this announcement.
[10:45] Losing such talent will make it harder for the remaining children to enjoy fun and competitive
[10:49] season here and later.
[10:51] I urge you to consider the decision not to participate in the Northern Youth Law all
[10:57] certain months.
[10:58] I'm not sure why the Parks and Rec and Parks and Rec Department decided not to participate.
[11:03] I'm not sure who it will benefit. It is not a benefit to our children here lately. Thank you for your time and consideration
[11:10] I also have a letter that I love a few pass around
[11:14] There are a few boys here that have participated in leading to the United States. I have a few comments. I thank you
[11:28] Good evening everyone. My name is Mikey young. I am a ninth reader and I love baseball. I played baseball through on my whole year
[11:34] all start for five. And towards it is helped me make friends and those friendships last
[11:40] long as some of the friends I've made shout out to Karen Beckett and Luke. It is also taught
[11:45] me integrity and composure to deal with losses and being a good sport also we have got an extremely
[11:51] close to winning. So I think if you give us another year we will win the championship.
[12:01] Also, there is better competition when you play in all stars other than Reck Lee, and his
[12:07] helps me get better and succeed from my dreams that they can be able to be.
[12:12] And I will try and I always try my hardest when I'm playing through all stars that is helping
[12:16] elevate my gameplay and strength.
[12:20] All in all, there are no reasons why all stars should not be running and waiting.
[12:24] Thank you everyone for your time.
[12:26] Have a good evening.
[12:31] Hello, my name is Luke Carning, I am 15 years old and I am currently in the 9th grade.
[12:37] I am here to give my perspective as a player on the decision of late and city polling
[12:40] its teams from the Northern Utah All-Star baseball tournament and instead being replaced with
[12:45] a single game.
[12:46] Think of that, replacing a whole season with one game.
[12:50] Having played in this tournament for three years, I speak for the parents, coaches and
[12:55] players in saying that late in city must participate in this tournament.
[13:00] We are the boys of summer playing America's favorite pastime.
[13:03] The All-Star tournament provides a chance to turn advanced level of competition past
[13:07] the regular record season, which is not only improved my skills as a player,
[13:11] but has taught me the valuable skills of teamwork and resilience.
[13:15] Sometimes we win, sometimes we lose, but we learn from each and every opportunity.
[13:21] The also tournament also allows those who usually couldn't play on
[13:24] comp teams a way to showcase their skills.
[13:28] We, the players in coaches, spent countless hours practicing to represent
[13:31] Layton.
[13:32] So I can't the city work to support us.
[13:35] Taking the tournament away hurts the image of Layton City and lessons are
[13:39] a presence in sports.
[13:41] Being the largest city in Davis County, we must live up to it.
[13:44] We need to support our teams, especially when they are competing at a high level with
[13:47] other cities.
[13:49] We ask that this program is saved for us, but future players to come.
[13:55] Thank you.
[14:01] My name is John Walton.
[14:02] I'm a resident of the Keyes Creek Estate's neighborhood.
[14:06] First off, I just wanted to thank the City Mayor, City Council, City Engineers, for spending a lot of time with our neighborhood addressing the current issue about the trees and the sidewalks.
[14:17] understand it's not an easy issue to push through, to talk about, but despite what's already
[14:23] been discussed, I just wanted to ask really beg the city to visit the issue from a different
[14:29] perspective. So the primary issue that I have is how this decision to address this issue has
[14:36] been so unilaterally applied. What I mean by that is we live in the neighborhood, right? We
[14:41] walked these streets. I've trick or treated with my boys so many years and we understand that
[14:46] some sidewalks they're terrible right like it's like climbing over a mountain what
[14:51] you go over some of these and I don't think anybody that is reasonable in our
[14:55] neighborhood with be fighting back issue right and saying no no no we need to
[15:00] Keep this or something like that. There are definitely some trees that need to go. However, there are some that are not as drastic, right?
[15:10] So I have a picture. I don't know how I can show that or submit this, but of my my sidewalk in front of the tree that is designated to be torn out.
[15:21] I mean, told that has to be torn out tonight, even in option.
[15:24] And over six and a half years, there's been almost no lift.
[15:27] And there's about this much lift on the sidewalk.
[15:31] And that hasn't gone up over, like I said, six years.
[15:34] And so it's frustrating to me that I'm getting lumped in
[15:38] with these obviously terrible cases.
[15:41] And so while I know that it wouldn't be easy,
[15:44] I know that it would be more frustrating
[15:46] and create a lot more headache and work,
[15:48] especially for the city engineers.
[15:49] I'm begging the city to revisit this issue from that perspective of looking at ones that need to be addressed now, and dealing with those.
[15:59] But then dealing with the individual homeowners, which the city has already indicated is going to be the case.
[16:05] So there's going to be an individual agreement with the city with the homeowners to if they aren't as drastic to maybe either replace those at the cost,
[16:16] that replace the sidewalks at the cost of the homeowner or something like that or I know
[16:21] grinding is not the practice that gets used anymore but doing something and then revisiting
[16:25] this issue five years down the line. Is there continued cracking needs to be addressed in
[16:31] that case maybe doing the tree removal. It's just frustrating to me as a homeowner in this
[16:36] neighborhood that we're getting all bumped in together and I feel like I'm losing this
[16:42] beautiful, huge, true even. I look out my front window every single day because of a little
[16:48] lift and I feel like the city isn't listening to our police in that case. Again, I know
[16:54] it would be more frustrating, I know it would be more work, but I'm just begging the city
[16:57] to revisit it from that issue or from that side. Thank you very much.
[17:01] Thank you.
[17:07] Hi, my name is Ashley Simmons. Thank you, Mayor and Councilman for the opportunity
[17:13] to speak today. I have some case creeps. I have some deep concerns about your plan. And one
[17:23] of the things that is most troubling me is the way the trees were chosen to be removed.
[17:32] As was brought up in our meetings, the poorly brought up by the citizens. I want to revisit
[17:38] it in a better way. There is a conflict of interest, not on this city side. I have no doubts
[17:45] about the honor or the integrity of anybody involved, but the arborist who was the expert on
[17:54] which trees should be removed ended up getting the low bed to remove those trees. That does not
[18:02] a genius to see a conflict built into that. And then the way the trees were chosen have been
[18:10] arbitrary and depreciated. Sometimes the tree was chosen for its species to be removed just
[18:17] based on that. And then not on other times. And sometimes a tree was only chosen because it was
[18:27] We have a street that has linden's on it.
[18:32] And some of these linden's are 30 years old and have just started to lift that sidewalk.
[18:37] My sidewalk is only being listed in the corner at a quarter of an inch, not an inch and a quarter of an inch.
[18:45] I've been city doesn't even six sidewalks until it's a half an inch, so a quarter of an inch
[18:51] and I had to choose city engineers come out and look at it and they were divided.
[18:57] It's that even qualified as a hazard.
[19:02] Councilman Roberts, you care about our community I know you do.
[19:07] I invite you to walk around with me and look at which tree have been chosen.
[19:11] Sometimes it makes so much sense and everybody agrees and sometimes it's troubling and we
[19:20] and we still have fused and angry about it and I know your heart is in the right place
[19:28] you are trying to prevent damage and it's our kids that are the ones who are going to get hurt.
[19:34] So nobody thinks we should ignore this problem but it has been done in an arbitrary and
[19:40] precious way, and I am asking you guys to look at this again and help us connect the dots on
[19:49] why some of these trees have to be removed.
[19:52] If the harvest, the city said two times the harvest was involved in choosing the tree, which
[20:00] is a conflict of interest, and sometimes it was not, and when he was not who told that tree,
[20:06] Do they have expertise in choosing trees?
[20:11] So that is my plea.
[20:13] Thank you.
[20:14] Thank you.
[20:17] Madam Mayor, Council members, my name is Dr. Bor.
[20:21] I, too, am a resident of Case Creek subdivision
[20:24] in the spirit of a statement that I heard once.
[20:31] Everything has been said, but not everybody has said it.
[20:34] I'm not going to repeat what has been said before.
[20:36] I'm just speaking on my own behalf.
[20:40] My wife and I moved to late about five and a half years ago after I left after duty with
[20:44] the Air Force.
[20:45] I've worked with some of you in my capacity at Hill Air Force Base, and I appreciate the
[20:49] opportunity to do so.
[20:51] We chose our home specifically because of its proximity to Hill Air Force Base.
[20:55] We were looking to live in late and the community that we live in, the environment,
[21:01] particularly the trees that you've heard, was one of the important
[21:06] factors that we consider.
[21:08] I'm not going to be labor of the point in terms of how we feel.
[21:12] Of course, my wife and I would like to see that stay, but we're realists as well.
[21:18] We have one of those offending sidewalks that is displaced by significantly, and I understand that.
[21:25] But I'd like to bring a few other issues that I'd asked the council to consider.
[21:30] The first thing is that rather than looking at this whole experience as a positive, I actually think it's a failure.
[21:41] And I think that it represents a failure of the city to monitor the conditions within the city.
[21:46] We've been told over and over and over and you've heard this as well, that the city engineer has a five year period that they try to go and review all of the sidewalks.
[21:58] This has been going on for more than five years.
[22:01] The best time to address this would have been 20 years ago,
[22:04] but now we are doing it because it's been brought to the city's attention.
[22:08] So the things that I would ask first, if inspections are taking place,
[22:15] I'd recommend that council go and ask to see what those investigations are
[22:19] to ensure that that's being done.
[22:22] Especially if respect to K's Creek, if it hadn't been done,
[22:26] If anybody walked in around would have recognized that, would have noticed that, and if they didn't, why aren't those investigations? Why aren't those inspections taking place? That's the first thing I would suggest.
[22:37] The second thing that I would suggest is that late and consider qualifying as a tree
[22:42] city USA, till Air Force Base has been a tree city USA for more than 20 years, and
[22:48] it recognizes certain aspects of that.
[22:51] Finally, I suggest that the city consider hiring a full-time urban forester, where the
[22:57] 11th largest city in the state, and all 10 cities that are larger than late and have full-time
[23:04] and foresters on the, on the under city staffs.
[23:09] If a city, if an city employees making that decision,
[23:12] if he eliminates that conflict of interest that was alluded to before,
[23:16] and can give a candid unvarnished advice to the council.
[23:21] I appreciate the time to be able to speak to you today.
[23:24] I recognize this is a difficult situation.
[23:27] I cast no ill will or a spursions of dishonesty or bad motives on the part of the city,
[23:34] I appreciate the time that's taking for this. Thank you.
[23:37] Thank you.
[23:41] Madam Shana Raer, ladies and gentlemen.
[23:45] I hope this one will thank Travis and Mike some loop.
[23:48] They did a great job discussing baseball in the passion of baseball.
[23:51] I wanted to add one more perspective on that is the season is short.
[23:57] And as a parent, grandparents, we all fight so-called solideststractions, all the electronics.
[24:03] right now we get mid mid April to May. It's 10 games for weeks and we're done. I think
[24:11] the city has an opportunity to continue with the Northern All-Star to continue the
[24:18] continue our children participating in sports and getting outside. You know, spending time
[24:24] with other kids and socializing. This is not just representing Layton, but it's also an
[24:29] Trinity for both mental and physical health of our children are used.
[24:34] We have all grades represented through junior high high school, both boys and girls.
[24:39] I imagine that's probably close to 152 kids that we can extend six, eight weeks of active
[24:46] outdoor activities.
[24:48] Thank you.
[24:49] Thank you very much.
[24:54] Go ahead.
[24:56] Sorry. My name is Mary Anna. Mary Anna Klein. Thank you very much for all that you do for us here in
[25:05] Laiton. I love living in Laiton. I've lived here for 17 years. Thank you everybody for being here.
[25:14] I feel supported because I am a resident in the neighborhood and I'm here tonight because I have a problem.
[25:23] In my neighborhood with crows, I realized they are protected, department of wild life can't help me.
[25:33] Health department hasn't been able to have been attracting rats.
[25:38] I have asked my neighbors and talked to them peacefully and they said that they would comply, but they continue to pay the crows and the crows continue to be a problem.
[25:53] There are no easy, there are no easier than dogs, and if this was a dog I could call animal control,
[26:00] but I can't.
[26:01] I'm really stuck.
[26:03] There's nothing I can do except for call the police.
[26:06] And I don't want to call them place on my neighbors who are kind.
[26:11] They're good people, and I want to maintain a relationship with them.
[26:14] I'm requesting, and I just have a long time ago.
[26:17] I would love your help in any kind of ordinance.
[26:21] I know we don't have an ordinance against feeding wildlife,
[26:24] and I don't even know if that would pertain to the crows,
[26:28] because they're federally protected.
[26:33] But any kind of ordinance,
[26:34] I'm surprised that we don't have an ordinance that protects people from wildlife,
[26:42] inviting wildlife and feeding wildlife in our cities.
[26:46] to me, it's a real cleanliness issue from as a neighbor, someone who just wants to live in a clean
[26:54] neighborhood. I do have pictures, clothes are very intelligent, and so they, they're, I feel
[27:02] threatened by the, I'm telling you, there's nothing I can do, so I come here to ask for something.
[27:13] Anyways, I did bring some pictures, I don't know if I'm just asking to, maybe consider that I have talked to the division of wildlife resources lots of times, and they have told me it's a city issue.
[27:30] I know other cities haven't, so cities don't, I'm just asking for your help to maybe, because I know I can't.
[27:38] I know I'm not the only one because the lady that helped me develop these photos told me she loves
[27:42] feeding the crow in her backyard. So I am here by myself, but I know that out of a city of
[27:49] 83,000, I'm not alone. So thank you for listening. Okay, thank you very much.
[27:56] As a man, you could like, do you want to leave your number with? Okay. Go ahead.
[28:04] Thank you, Rob Simmons, live in British states, late in resident.
[28:11] So what I wanted to talk about is, with a tree issue, a majority of the residents have
[28:20] come forward and say, hey, we need some options, so if this has been sort of rushed, it's
[28:26] been sort of presented without our input, it's been presented a way that has just sort
[28:32] this letter that has, hey, this is what's going to happen. You don't have any right here.
[28:38] And I just want to talk about kind of what a good solution was looked like.
[28:41] I mean, when you have a city action that's going to have an enormous impact on all these
[28:48] records, especially if you look at British State State, it was in three phases.
[28:54] And on the west side of the Great Big Transmission Line, they are just getting
[29:02] creamed.
[29:02] I'm in the second phase, and we'll have some impacts that will be serious, but the
[29:08] impact to their neighborhood, which is already been really hurt, because of the new highway.
[29:14] And then to take away all their treaties, I think the number of the cities talked about
[29:19] hundred and eighty trees or maybe more. Those kind of reactions have enormous impact on the
[29:27] livability of the neighborhood, on the value of the neighborhood, both in terms of its financial
[29:34] value as well as its just quality life. And so on this west of the transmission lines,
[29:41] you have a lot of new families, military families, and these families, it's not just the cost of
[29:46] the tree's down. It's a cost of losing home value and losing sort of what they're hoping for,
[29:52] like you know, a nice sort of mature, you know, neighborhood with mature trees to raise
[29:57] their kids and to do all this fun stuff that, you know.
[30:00] We associate with trees. And then the city, when you had this enormous action with enormous costs, affecting, you know, with a whole bunch of residents, hundreds saying, hey, wait, wait, wait, you know, we're signing petitions doing all these things to try to, at least it slowed down the process so they can understand it better. They're just shut down. And that's just not a good solution. And especially when, and this is what's been, I think, most starting to me,
[30:31] especially when the goals are the same.
[30:34] Once everybody got the letter, all the homeowners are great.
[30:37] We met everybody who's concerned about these,
[30:39] which her trees being taken down met and said,
[30:42] hey, we want to get all our sidewalks to code.
[30:44] That's the goal.
[30:45] We all share the same goal, share the same goal as the city.
[30:49] And so then you start thinking,
[30:52] okay, all the stuff that, you know,
[30:54] right ways and all that stuff,
[30:55] it's still, you know, homeowners have some rights,
[30:58] and some of those homeowners rights should be input
[30:59] in the process. We were sent a letter that said, hey, this is happening in a month or two.
[31:07] You know, we were left to actually book a place so that we can all meet and talk about what
[31:12] solutions might look like. And so certainly a good solution would be input from the whole
[31:17] nurse. Was that me? Yeah. Okay. Do I have to stop? Okay, can I have 20 seconds? 20 seconds.
[31:26] So 20 more seconds is simply this, the homeowners just deserve a chance to find the solution.
[31:33] All we're asking is give us to like July and say, if you can figure out a better way to save your mature tree but also to fix the sidewalks bring entirely the code and do it by July and if you can't do it by July, we're going back to our plan.
[31:51] Why not? I mean why won't you get Homer's just a shot at like protecting so
[31:56] that's important to them and not getting sort of steamrolled?
[32:01] Okay, thank you. I appreciate your comments.
[32:17] That's all here, our veterans. Just I'll carry out Steve.
[32:23] Excuse me sir. I know we are, but would you mind stating your name for the rest?
[32:28] Yes, please. I wanted to give a name and a face to the age and orange veterans foundation.
[32:34] That's myself, I'm Larry Kerr, and I stayed there for three-tired.
[32:41] I did two tours back to back in Vietnam.
[32:44] I had four years of age and orange in me.
[32:48] I've survived cancer, I've survived the stroke, I've survived heart attack,
[32:53] but I still live with all of them.
[32:59] Our organization was established over a year ago,
[33:05] When we are arrested with the state, we have a 501-3C to never think our paperwork
[33:13] is all in order.
[33:15] We approach latency, parks, and recreation in about April of last year to talk about putting
[33:23] a new memorial in late and common park not far from our rear now and all.
[33:30] At that time, it wasn't really well prepared for a extensive presentation, I guess you might
[33:38] say, but we've just turned down as to not put a memorial there.
[33:44] So we come before you again briefly to ask that you allow us to place this memorial.
[33:52] You have the pamphlets and some pictures in front of you in the late memorial.
[34:00] Here tonight, I've asked a few of the veterans to come from a very
[34:04] representative of the DAV and the VF-TAV American League.
[34:08] They're next to like that DAV.
[34:10] Myself, I belong to the DAV and Vietnam veterans America.
[34:13] Lifetime, I'm also a Lifetime member of the eight-gen orange foundation.
[34:22] Nathan City, six-stabbed, fits herself by putting the Vietnam wall there as a major
[34:28] track and for veterans to come and visit our laws. And with the other memorials that are there,
[34:36] the K-9 statues, the Battle Cross, and so on, you are honored all of the Vietnam veterans.
[34:43] Not just anyone service or branch. Our memorial will do the same. It honors all the Vietnam veterans.
[34:53] DOD people, the CIA, and everybody that was involved, even civilians, and their families and
[35:00] our children, grandchildren, is a place to come and visit this memorial.
[35:07] Right now it will be the largest memorial in the United States, paying homage to
[35:21] Agent Orn
[35:21] 19, 2,600,000 veterans and their families been contaminated by age in Orange.
[35:31] There are 600,000 Vietnam veterans left in the country.
[35:37] There are 547 of the dying every day.
[35:45] So I implore you to at least think about it.
[35:49] And if we need a further meeting, a workshop meeting, and I think we'd be glad to set that up.
[35:53] I'm the chairman of the board. We have three board members. I'm going to turn it over to Hannah Turt.
[36:00] Who is our president of fundraising and I'm going to go horse because of my cancer.
[36:08] Thank you.
[36:09] Thank you.
[36:18] Thank you for hearing me today. My name is Hannah Turt.
[36:22] I'm here today. We're presenting the Utah Egypt Orange Bedrand Foundation along with Larry Kerr.
[36:27] We hope to make our mission as building a memorial to honor Agent Orange veterans reality here in
[36:34] Lincoln City Park.
[36:35] I stand before you today not as not only as an advocate for veterans exposed to Agent Orange,
[36:42] but also as the daughter of a Vietnam veteran who has been whose life has been robbed by the impact
[36:49] of Agent Orange on his health.
[36:51] I stand here as a daughter who has cried countless tears worrying about life-lossers, and as a daughter who has spent hours in hospital with him.
[37:03] Many people, excuse me sorry, this monument is essential because it represents a significant part of American history that is currently being erased.
[37:11] Many people are unaware of what Asian orange is.
[37:15] This harmful herbicide was used to defoli the jungles of Vietnam, and to destroy enemy
[37:21] crops which it did effectively.
[37:23] However, it has another devastating effect that it was equally effective at, which was
[37:28] making people sick.
[37:30] Approximately 3 million service men and women were exposed to Vietnam alone, not to mention
[37:36] There's in surrounding areas where the herbicide was sprayed, stored, and transported.
[37:41] More than 300,000 veterans have died due to complications related to age and origin exposure.
[37:47] Just put that into perspective that is five times the number of veterans that died in combat during Vietnam.
[37:54] The war has continued 50 years after it's clothing closing in hospitals across this country.
[38:01] This monument will honor these veterans and their supporting families.
[38:07] It will provide the community with a shared space to reflect and find closure.
[38:12] Agent Orange has continued the battles of Vietnam long after the last shots were fired.
[38:18] Those still fighting are not just war heroes.
[38:21] They are our fathers, grandfathers, neighbors, mothers, sisters, and so much more.
[38:27] They deserve to be honored and celebrated.
[38:28] preserving this history ensures that the government cannot wash its hands of the tragedy
[38:33] inflicted on our brave soldiers. By remembering this, we can protect future generations of
[38:38] soldiers who follow in the footsteps of Vietnam veterans. Those who didn't receive a proper welcome home.
[38:45] For this reason, we play with Layton City to consider our cause and allow us to build this monument
[38:50] the first of many in this great city. Thank you. Thank you.
[39:02] Can I get to our minutes?
[39:04] I'll take your name, though.
[39:07] My name's Andy Vigil.
[39:10] My brother and I go sit for home grown here.
[39:14] We put that in the mom's still living.
[39:16] And once that shines, she's 95 years old.
[39:20] And so we've been through a lot here.
[39:22] I was a 66-year-old star.
[39:25] But I didn't sit.
[39:27] I know I don't look that old.
[39:29] But anyway, I bet the joy of speaking with major joy, my wife and I, but our other foundation,
[39:38] but this foundation is more serious and needs more attention.
[39:44] We,
[39:47] I'm on the H&O industry with the VA.
[39:50] It's a little harder to fight for, because I was in South Korea not in Vietnam.
[39:57] As a military policeman, we were in several different scenarios where we know, we had to
[40:04] have been there because I was in battle in North Korea on the shoreline of the LSC.
[40:11] And all the foliage was dead around in front of us, so we'd be able to see the infiltrators
[40:17] coming in.
[40:18] I've had uncles pass away from making noise, and if I'm wrong, I do not believe they have been put on the wall, the ones who have passed these in arms back then.
[40:32] Because I have never found his name on there, and he served to be a nominate came home.
[40:40] They thought they cured him that three months later, just before his 43rd birthday, they'd be passed away.
[40:46] It's hard to see and cool like the reason that this is so urgent is because there's
[40:53] that concern and appreciate y'all coming out.
[40:56] There's best concern here, I hate to say it, but it might not be around when and if we
[41:02] get this memorial built, this is a serious condition and it's just taken us away, but I want
[41:12] to thank you for your time.
[41:14] And don't believe every team of brothers is this.
[41:19] Thank you.
[41:28] I want to thank everybody for coming out.
[41:30] My name is Joseph Fittil.
[41:33] Don't believe everything he says.
[41:35] He followed my footsteps.
[41:38] But anyway, that's wrong.
[41:40] Let you folks know.
[41:42] Catch an hour and a half and these memorials out here.
[41:45] I was very negative during the conflict because I was drafted two years I was in trouble in the military because I didn't believe in what they were doing.
[42:00] Yeah, like my brother said this is our hood. We raised here who stands strong for it
[42:09] And we believe in the memorials of these victims
[42:14] You have this we have to live the life to understand where we come from. I'm the Nigerian war engine victim
[42:22] I was
[42:27] very negative military wise my brother and I went on on a flight
[42:34] They took us to Arlington,
[42:41] that's straight in my attitude up a hundred percent because I looked at all those headstones.
[42:49] And now more monuments of the latter than I know we can't have here but we could have this one.
[42:56] You know you would help us with it.
[43:00] But I looked at all those addstones and I thought how selfish I was,
[43:08] thinking that I was
[43:10] ill and went and didn't want to serve in the military because of my attitude, that was
[43:13] the 60s hippie.
[43:16] And I looked at all those addstones and that felt how selfish I was and it's straight in my
[43:21] attitude.
[43:25] Those monuments speak to people and I think it would be an honor and an honor for the city to
[43:37] So we thank you and help us out with these.
[43:42] Yeah, I got a breakout here that I'm telling you.
[43:47] If you didn't experience it, all of the people that have experienced it would be happy
[43:55] to see something like that on Earth.
[44:00] And we're all people's who lived in our dying slowly, but surely it's just a matter of different
[44:05] times.
[44:06] I have a tattoo that is very bad on this shoulder and just with the joke of it, I put walking dead around it, and that's where we are walking dead, and we would like to be honored in the ways to like the city, thank you very much for listening to me.
[44:31] Thank you.
[44:39] I appreciate everyone who's participated in this to this in the comments.
[44:45] Hopefully we've been able to hear everyone that wanted to speak.
[44:49] Definitely some heavy, you can see why we don't engage in the liberation at this time.
[44:56] But certainly all of this information is so valuable and important to us.
[45:00] That we want to make sure we do make the right decision and choices on behalf of this entire community. So again, thank you. I'm going to go ahead and move our meeting along. And so that concludes our citizens comment portion. Certainly you guys are welcome to say just so you know we intentionally move the citizens comment portion up in our agenda so that you don't have to stay through the whole business portion, but you're welcome to. So once again, thanks for attending.
[46:34] Probably get to go ahead and move on. I appreciate it again the comments that we make tonight.
[46:40] We now will move on to our consent item. We do have one item on our consent that we need to discuss here.
[46:49] And it's the Clint, I'm sorry. Mr. Clinton, great.
[46:53] He's going to present this information to the council.
[46:56] It's regarding trapping of animals and late in the city and property.
[46:59] Thank you, Mayor.
[47:00] I'll be quick just as was discussed briefly in our work meeting last Council meeting.
[47:06] We've had some issues with trapping of animals on city property.
[47:11] So, parks are part of our reach out to us and ask person help in drafting your units.
[47:18] So, we've prepared a bit of the trapping of animals on park property.
[47:22] That includes all of our parks, all of our trails, all of our open space.
[47:26] So that that doesn't include undeveloped open space.
[47:29] There recently was an incident where a pet was kind of in a trap.
[47:34] And on some of our undeveloped property.
[47:37] And while that was, there were other issues as to why that person was there.
[47:41] And the fact of the matter is that we want to prohibit this type of activity
[47:45] on our parks.
[47:46] There is one exception that you can see there.
[47:49] And one day, which is that the city reserves are right to trap.
[47:51] New sense and dangerous animals from time to time.
[47:53] parts employees or city employees have the need to trap different types of rodents and animals
[48:00] that are causing nuisances and are a danger to our public. So it does come out that exception
[48:06] for the city and any state agencies that may need to do that as well. And with that, I'd turn
[48:14] the time back to you and have to answer any questions. Okay, Council, do you have any questions or concerns
[48:19] We're going to have one question, probably for the council and also for the public who's listening.
[48:27] So if a resident sees animals on latent city property, their responsibility, if they're concerned about it is to call someone not to try and trap the animal on their own correct correct.
[48:44] to be clear, this doesn't change it, right, that property owners, right, even though they're adjacent to city owned property, correct.
[48:55] Okay, thanks.
[48:57] Okay, sure.
[48:59] The Bonneville Shoreline Trail, we've got, I think, the county land, we've got state of Utah federal, what are those regulations?
[49:08] And so it's not only part of the bond of the short line trail that was in our jurisdiction
[49:13] on limits.
[49:14] Our city limits would be it would apply, we don't have any jurisdiction over county or federal
[49:18] land.
[49:19] Do you have any idea if a similar, I don't know the answer to that, I'm just curious.
[49:35] Any other questions?
[49:39] Okay.
[49:39] If not, then council, turn to you to go ahead and make a motion regarding
[49:45] 25-05.
[49:49] My motion there to adopt our consent item, ordinance 25-05, adopting restrictions of
[49:59] trapping animals on latent city owned property in a second.
[50:04] Okay, it's been moved in a second that we adopted all in favor, please say aye.
[50:10] Thank you, Zach.
[50:11] I heard that as well.
[50:15] We'll go down.
[50:15] Now we'll go on to our public hearing portion of our meeting.
[50:20] We actually have two items on the agenda.
[50:24] And Mr. Longcrawl is going to present item A first, which is a
[50:28] Resilum concept plan and development agreement.
[50:38] Thank you, Mayor.
[50:39] and Council.
[50:43] On to this.
[50:44] So we have before you tonight, our resolution 2503, which references a development agreement with the concept plan in ordinance 20502, which references a request to resume property from agriculture and residential suburban or RS to R18PRUD.
[51:01] This property is located at about 1275 West and Town Street and is just under 16 acres.
[51:11] You can see right here where it's located.
[51:20] The property surrounded to the north and to the east by having industrial in manufacturing
[51:27] and it's bordered to the west and to the south by residential suburban or our S sub division.
[51:36] The applicant, I'll move to this one, the applicant in 2023 proposed the sub revision of this location that went to the planning commission or Anna Reson request, which had a density of about 10.6 years per acre and included apartments and some other debt housing, the planning commission actually recommended denial of that request and the applicant pulled their application and went back to work.
[52:05] Since then they constructed the test academy along Gentile Street,
[52:12] which is shown on this image right here,
[52:17] and they reconfigured their development request.
[52:21] And again, this is a reasonable request.
[52:23] Actually, Utah Code does not require a concept plan, but we do.
[52:28] And so we provided a concept time that this is conceptual,
[52:30] and they will have to meet certain criteria in order to obtain that density based on their development.
[52:39] But the current development is actually moved a lot of units and now it's at 5.6, 5.16 units per acre.
[52:48] It includes 61 single family homes and 26 count homes, our ordinance, our R1-8 P.R. U.D. ordinance allows for 30% of the units to be a count home, which this is under that 30%, and it also includes in this concept plan amenities, which include pickleball courts,
[53:13] It's a playground area, a walking trails, a gathering space with seating and a pavilion.
[53:20] And those are all included, which helps them obtain that tendency of harness that
[53:25] will continue.
[53:29] The development agreements also includes some materials and details to the homes, but they're
[53:35] proposing.
[53:37] These are the single family homes they have a few options.
[53:40] It includes masonry siding, harry board type siding, board and batten and some stucco.
[53:52] Staff did a great job working with the developer to add some additional windows and features
[53:57] on these buildings as well, which we appreciate.
[54:02] The proposal also shows the three plex and the five plex.
[54:09] You can see here.
[54:11] If I go back to this map, you can see where they are located, everything in pink is the
[54:16] on the three-plex, on the east side of the property.
[54:19] This is a good buffer between the existing RS,
[54:22] so we're division to the west and the heavy manufacturing.
[54:27] And the double Rio Grande trail as well.
[54:31] And with that, the planning commission, on January 28th of this year,
[54:36] recommended unanimously approval of this submittal
[54:40] and staff supports that recommendation.
[54:43] And I'm happy to answer any questions.
[54:46] Okay, Council, we have questions on this?
[54:53] There was discussion about the tennis, the owner of the tennis facility retaining some of the
[54:58] pretending ownership of some of the townhouses, all right?
[55:03] I believe that is correct.
[55:06] Do you know how many and how many could be potentially rental units?
[55:13] I do not. We have somebody who represents the applicant here who might be able to answer
[55:19] that question. Do I not? Yeah, that answer exactly. We can do that during the public hearing,
[55:25] but also was there a requirement for storm water detention in this? Yes. Is that? Is that that green space
[55:32] on that north west side? Is that the end of the city there? That's right. But it's open space.
[55:40] Correct. Do you know the elevations of that? I just, I just, I know we talked about
[55:46] in 2020 making our open space usable. And if it's a detention on, if it's, if it's
[55:54] valuable usable screen space, not just a grasp on, if you know what I'm saying.
[56:00] Yeah, I'll be using both the slots of this time.
[56:07] Thank you.
[56:10] Can you add any other questions?
[56:15] In the comments?
[56:16] Not a bit.
[56:18] Okay.
[56:18] I can hear Zach online.
[56:20] Is there a way we can increase his volume a little bit?
[56:27] Okay.
[56:28] Go ahead or go ahead and count some blocks on.
[56:31] Okay.
[56:31] Thank you Madam Mayor.
[56:32] I just had a question.
[56:34] I know that maybe you can help me understand a little bit.
[56:37] I've.
[56:38] We've had a question from the past about the idea you do and it's kind of its circus
[56:42] in our two backfills, faxions, horrendous.
[56:47] And so I went back to the middle of the last three
[56:50] build development that we've had,
[56:53] but I could remember, in the last maybe,
[56:56] in a half or so.
[56:58] And I remember we were at the Jenkins project
[57:01] that I'll only have a shot, that's in September of 2022,
[57:05] or something, and I don't know how to have
[57:07] different in terms, which is a different
[57:09] and the child, that's when you're through a six-year-old size, and then you have
[57:15] the number zero, two-year-old, two-year-old, and the other size, and those who have
[57:20] you don't show or the third and third-year-old in this relationship with Berger.
[57:24] And I've just my question was, can you kind of explain, I've read, you know, the city
[57:32] college, and then it's for five years, and the cancer is not going to be, um, to
[57:38] where I have questions about PLUD, the Jenkins company where I want 10 PLUD, the Falcon Farm
[57:45] Sparkity, which are in 10 PLUD, and the service was stored up in 10, so if this is, if
[57:53] this is a proof, it's a PLUD, and I'm just curious, it seems that our PLUD transformation
[58:03] and has become aware of our rule and that in exception to the rules.
[58:09] So as many of the majority of the developments that do the proof has been clearly doing
[58:16] that simply this is sort of, you know, the dimensions to the gender, the gender, the gender, the gender,
[58:22] and the gender.
[58:23] And maybe just give me an idea about, you know, if I'm not faced by thinking where it seems
[58:28] like we're making an exception into a row and we'll ask that the ones that we're trying to
[58:38] do for the PWA will do or would I?
[58:44] I don't know if I'm completely prepared to answer that question.
[58:49] Usually a PRAED is used when you have property that's not a rectangle or a square,
[58:54] if it's an odd shape.
[58:55] This is definitely one of those, whether it should be in R1, A to R1, 10.
[59:02] You know, that's to the city council.
[59:06] The applicant to be always makes our quest based on whether or not they can make it work financially.
[59:14] And I'm sure that has something to do with it, but I don't know exactly why we've had
[59:21] key applications in numbers as U.S. other than I know that everyone's aware of the cost
[59:29] of housing is increased, the cost of development is increased, and that's probably my
[59:35] only guess that is just the guess.
[59:36] I don't know about that question, but I also have some questions that I have assured
[59:45] with about how to desire obviously to have these be on occupied.
[59:52] So are there any of these acronyms that are being restricted in the role or the idea of a
[59:58] If you can't find them either, hop, hop, hop, hop.
[1:00:00] Community, which is something I should need to clear,
[1:00:06] there's nothing I can have to do, particularly the bedroom and the green and the other tool to provide that, it's really just, and I would hope to send it into a 55 and other neighbourhood.
[1:00:20] I actually don't have the answer, I know a market is 55 and older, they probably have a
[1:00:26] good chance of receiving those co-spires, or a city attorney might have more information
[1:00:33] on the legality of requiring it to be 55 and older, I know that we can't require 100% or
[1:00:38] meant to be 55 and older, but I don't, I don't have more information than that.
[1:00:49] Okay, that all your questions, there's that, you have to that thinking, okay, all right, anyone else here?
[1:00:59] Please, thanks, Mayor.
[1:01:03] The General Plan for this area, I know that the parcels to the west or the RS, or the R110, or the General Plan,
[1:01:16] And this one was more dense.
[1:01:19] The original plan was our one eight I believe.
[1:01:23] Is that the case correct, yeah.
[1:01:27] Okay, thanks.
[1:01:30] Hey, what else?
[1:01:33] If not, then I will look for a motion to open our public hearing.
[1:01:37] I'm going to take any comments from those who are in a tent up
[1:01:40] to this time.
[1:01:41] So cancel on the emotion.
[1:01:42] I hope that we open the public hearing.
[1:01:44] Okay, there's a second.
[1:01:46] Okay, all in favor?
[1:01:50] Okay, thank you very much.
[1:01:51] now hear from our public at this time regarding item day on our hearing.
[1:02:01] Michael Christensen, late in the season.
[1:02:03] You heard me at that microphone two weeks ago.
[1:02:08] Talk about how this came from a client commission.
[1:02:11] I'm honestly shocked.
[1:02:13] They made exactly the same error and presenting to this bench as they did to that bench.
[1:02:18] in that they make no mention, and staff doesn't know that the developer is fear-marking
[1:02:25] lease for an 80% 55 plus an older.
[1:02:29] Why does your staff not know what they're signing on to?
[1:02:33] When I went to the client commission meeting, 15 people were so maybe 38 or 10 came up
[1:02:38] here, and nine of us leaving one of them spoke in favor of this development.
[1:02:42] There was one there, not there.
[1:02:45] Each one of us gave her a commentary and a pool to apply a commission, based on the factual
[1:02:53] flaw that this was just going to be built as a 55 plus target material with no restrictions
[1:02:59] on the deed.
[1:03:01] It wasn't until after the 10 of us had gone up here and spoken favorably of this one,
[1:03:12] but this
[1:03:12] these will be decreased to 80% 555 plus an older.
[1:03:16] They also told us that we did expect it to,
[1:03:18] or not, you can see, in the single found house.
[1:03:22] Again, which your staff should have known,
[1:03:28] could it get to go back to the elevations slide 11, 12, 13?
[1:03:33] One of those chose the single found house, very presented.
[1:03:40] I have the mouse, I have the power, excellent.
[1:03:48] To see on this chart here, we're building house
[1:03:51] a lot of about 5,500 square feet for 5,500 square feet.
[1:03:55] That's a lot of small ones there because the density is going to be loud in the R1-8.
[1:04:01] Perfectly fine. You see here in your elevations that we're putting up what?
[1:04:07] 15,600 square foot houses on there, single level, two-car garage.
[1:04:13] It's great design.
[1:04:14] It's great to be on a parcel land, 15 acres, six minutes away by bicycle from a train station.
[1:04:22] That's amazing.
[1:04:24] That's an amazing place for a property like this.
[1:04:28] We have a term for buildings like this, 15, 600 square feet on 5,500 square foot lots.
[1:04:35] That term is starter home.
[1:04:39] Start our homes
[1:04:41] 5, 6, 7 minutes away from train station by bike
[1:04:45] That's a slam dunk that's one of the reasons I got up here at this mic at the plank mission and endorses opportunity
[1:04:52] That's a great idea. There's nothing wrong with this film plan the architecture or anything
[1:04:58] Below the wants to do it's a great layout
[1:05:02] But through no reason to restrict this to people aren't my sorrows and bark right in their bites to give them the train
[1:05:10] I'll share an anecdote. I picked up online four real servers. I don't want him from Adam, but you see it.
[1:05:16] He says, I have a client who built an age target in 55 plus patio home project. This, H.O.A. included yard and exterior maintenance.
[1:05:26] 14.9% of the buyers were single female head of household with children,
[1:05:34] largely attractive
[1:05:35] by the age.
[1:05:39] There is a definite need for a small loss small house in this community, and this project
[1:05:46] is perfectly awesome and excellent with the exception that we're only willing to sell to
[1:05:52] the nearly dead instead of the newlywed.
[1:05:55] This needs to be an unrestricted development.
[1:06:14] Thank you for the opportunity to address, you know,
[1:06:22] in the meeting earlier it was stated that
[1:06:27] the community is in favor of this, the neighboring community. But that is not the case. I spoke out against it against the city planning commission. And we were told if nobody else had.
[1:06:40] didn't have anything else to add, then they shouldn't comment, so nobody else got up to
[1:06:47] comment, but most of the rest of the people that came are not in favor of this.
[1:06:54] One reason is the PROD,
[1:06:58] so it was originally on the city plan as far one ten, but before
[1:07:07] the late and family sold it, they convinced someone to downgrade it to R18.
[1:07:17] So the developers already have been given a bonus, a density bonus, and now then when
[1:07:26] you add a PRUD to it, you're even increasing the density.
[1:07:30] So the area in west of the track there is mostly our 110 and this would make it totally inconsistent with that area with the tennis court business moving in it encroaches business on that area.
[1:07:53] Instead of a buffer,
[1:08:00] if the PRUD isn't something special, then why don't you just call it R16.
[1:08:07] You know,
[1:08:10] there's nothing special about this property.
[1:08:11] You can build on all of it. There's no swamp land, no cliffs. Perhaps it's a little missafe and this is the end of crossing.
[1:08:26] It will diminish the property values.
[1:08:32] I expected when I put my home in there that I would have at least R1A.
[1:08:39] I think when I bought my home I was designated R110 on the plan.
[1:08:45] Then it was downgraded R1A.
[1:08:47] And now it's going to be R16 essentially, that means that my property value is going to
[1:08:54] be diminished more than what it would have been.
[1:08:59] Some people have said, well, that's not the way properties are evaluated, but eventually
[1:09:06] it will, because people will not buy the surrounding houses, pay as much for the surrounding
[1:09:12] houses as they would have if there had been higher density and so my property will be devaluated
[1:09:21] because they were unable to sell their property for a higher value.
[1:09:31] It also diminishes
[1:09:33] the city's value in the area. We don't have a lot of room on gentile and angel there.
[1:09:45] It's
[1:09:46] But I'm asking that you don't allow an increase of traffic by allowing more density in that area.
[1:09:58] We already see with activity at the tennis courts.
[1:10:03] I saw someone trying to come out of the tennis courts there
[1:10:06] and because of traffic they had to turn right and so left like they wanted to.
[1:10:12] I don't think it's good for the city to have this area high density.
[1:10:23] With that high density, you're going to have more traffic in the area.
[1:10:30] More traffic than was originally on the plan and the plan was set up the reason the way
[1:10:35] it was because of the infrastructure of what Gentile can handle.
[1:10:42] So, I don't think that a P.R.U.D. should be allowed in this case.
[1:10:50] My home will be bordered by 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6 different homes on 5, on 2 sides.
[1:11:03] So, that reduces the value.
[1:11:05] And then every one of those, the boarder, that's property, have two or three homes that
[1:11:11] boarder it, except for two properties up on the north end, which we'll have one right
[1:11:17] up against the fence on a dry way, up in front of the other one.
[1:11:22] So, what's called the flag property?
[1:11:27] So, I'm asking that you don't allow a P.A.R.U.D. because you've already given higher density
[1:11:35] authorization to them and now to even allow further high density is going to diminish the value
[1:11:42] of the area because greater problems in the area.
[1:11:48] If you want to have higher density homes,
[1:11:52] starter homes can be a good thing. But not in an area that's already crowded on Gentiles.
[1:11:58] Let's put it in an area where there is more room, 2700 West that can reach out to
[1:12:06] Hillfield Road, some of those areas, other areas that have more room,
[1:12:14] and if I wanted
[1:12:15] a house that was close to transportation, I wouldn't put it a mile on the half way of
[1:12:23] the closer to transportation. And we do have plenty of apartments on Main Street and downtown
[1:12:31] where people can move if they want to be closer to transit systems. Thank you.
[1:12:40] Thank you for that opportunity.
[1:12:42] Thank you very much.
[1:12:50] My name is Randy Johnson, I'm a owner of Mary's Metals.
[1:12:56] This is a very passionate thing for all of us who have been here since November, 231,
[1:13:02] the original development came in.
[1:13:05] And everyone took exception to where we were.
[1:13:08] We've come a long way close to the final commission.
[1:13:11] to get something that I believe is acceptable.
[1:13:18] We have, I was a second person to actually buy a lot in that development.
[1:13:23] I saw the many commissions general plan.
[1:13:27] I spoke with representatives.
[1:13:29] PRUD was mentioned even back then.
[1:13:33] So, we did our new diligence, we purchased, we built.
[1:13:39] What was not happy about the first plan?
[1:13:43] Nothing's perfect.
[1:13:45] I believe the planning commission, along with say,
[1:13:49] builder, owner, has been as good as we're going to be able to get.
[1:13:53] This could be a lot worse.
[1:13:56] Some folks will be impacted.
[1:13:58] Some folks have due short-stronger laws.
[1:14:01] I was not one of them, so I had that benefit.
[1:14:04] So I make enemies with the folks that do have that.
[1:14:08] this is a tough thing to do. I believe this needs to be 80 percent. Almost dead people
[1:14:16] have to be one of those. And for those of those who also join me in that, we need adult communities.
[1:14:27] Yes, a 13 to 1500 square foot place could be a starter home. It also is a wonderful square footage
[1:14:33] for an aged person, just what our population is aging.
[1:14:40] Property value lies to cost their square foot, and I've got a very nice home.
[1:14:46] Those are going to be more cost for square foot than my home.
[1:14:50] So with that being said, I was like just strongly encouraged
[1:14:54] to continue to this.
[1:14:57] The PROD is an artifact of work.
[1:15:00] Please be done to achieve this. Thank you for your time.
[1:15:04] Thank you.
[1:15:12] My name is Gerald Thomas and I just had a question to the elder or maybe the commission itself.
[1:15:18] For the community as a whole, how many entries and access are going to be on this total
[1:15:25] community to where to Gentile Street to either Angel or to Gentile or in the other
[1:15:37] news streets access but talking about the community itself how many entries in
[1:15:43] access are in to be able to enter to or leave from this community because that's a
[1:15:52] very pertinent point about the traffic flow. Currently I think there's two in
[1:15:57] So that one more so you'd have three.
[1:16:01] So we'll plan this all they have to.
[1:16:04] Okay.
[1:16:07] I don't know, I'm going to launch you on this.
[1:16:10] Yeah.
[1:16:13] So it's a victory.
[1:16:16] Yeah.
[1:16:17] Do I have to, or want you on it?
[1:16:21] Yeah, there's two in the Marius Metos, but there's also two...
[1:16:25] ...on the Gentile Street. One of those is through Marius Metos.
[1:16:28] Okay.
[1:16:31] Thank you.
[1:16:32] Next.
[1:16:37] My name is Doug Kosai.
[1:16:40] Okay.
[1:16:40] I'll spell that for you because no one here gets it right if I don't.
[1:16:46] And I live in Mary's Medal as well and Madam Mayor and Council members, I want to
[1:16:52] thank you for your service to our city.
[1:16:56] I know it's a difficult job.
[1:16:58] I appreciate very much, this has already been said, has been a difficult road that this
[1:17:07] has come down. In November of 2023, I and many of my neighbors set in a very contentious
[1:17:17] planning commission meeting that has gained notoriety, at least in the planning commission
[1:17:24] circles and possibly you're at the city council as well.
[1:17:28] And we still talk about it today.
[1:17:31] And the neighbors were, at least in Mary's
[1:17:35] Metro, were united in their opposition to that plan.
[1:17:40] And mainly, it was because of four problems.
[1:17:43] Density, traffic, crime, and the fact that it was so much
[1:17:49] against the general plan that is in place.
[1:17:54] The builder heard us and they were very willing to go back to the drawing board and they
[1:18:02] had been back as I understand that they had been back several times and come up with a plan
[1:18:09] that I believe is a good one.
[1:18:13] My friend and neighbor, Robert McKinley, who spoke to you a minute ago, he and I are neighbors
[1:18:18] and we're good friends and we know how to respectfully disagree and still get along very well.
[1:18:28] And so I am simply saying I believe the developer has done a good job of addressing
[1:18:36] all four of those issues.
[1:18:38] They replaced high-density apartment complex with an extremely low-density tennis building
[1:18:47] that has no residence and the few people that show up there on a daily basis are affluent
[1:18:56] and are not at risk for causing crime in the neighborhood or anything like that.
[1:19:02] They've reduced the density in half from the original proposal.
[1:19:08] Along with that traffic has been significantly reduced as well.
[1:19:13] So I like it. I like the age 55 plus for the same reason as at my other neighbor Randy has indicated. I'm one of those, and I won't mind having more people like me across the fence.
[1:19:29] I think it is unfortunate that the way the land is laid out with a triangle and so forth.
[1:19:38] there are a couple of lots that are unfortunately going to make some people unhappy and maybe more
[1:19:45] than a couple. I don't wish to understand that. But overall I think it's a great opportunity
[1:19:52] for there to be more housing available to seniors, active seniors and maybe less active seniors.
[1:20:01] As the case may be, so I'm looking forward to it. I hope you'll pass it. I would like to take just
[1:20:06] another minute if I may and express a thought about the Agent Orange Monument that was discussed
[1:20:12] and I'm sorry those folks have left but my initial thought when I saw the picture floating
[1:20:18] around was, gee that's ugly, that's as hideous. It's bright orange, it's got no place
[1:20:25] in the park and then I got the thinking that's kind of a point. Agent Orange was an ugly thing,
[1:20:34] Something that we all know, I mean, I was a few months beyond the time when I would have gotten draft that I had a low draft number, but fortunately the war ended before I had to show up at the draft board.
[1:20:49] It was an ugly spirit in our nation's history, and I think these folks have been underappreciated, underserved,
[1:20:59] and have dealt with horrible problems with Asian warrants, and largely been ignored and given a cold shoulder by our federal government.
[1:21:11] So I would like to request that you consider adopting that and if it takes money, it obviously
[1:21:19] will take money to build that monument.
[1:21:22] If it takes money that exceeds the city budget and we need to look to people that help
[1:21:28] contribute to it, I'll be one of them.
[1:21:30] Thank you very much.
[1:21:31] Thank you.
[1:21:32] Appreciate that.
[1:21:38] Thank you.
[1:21:39] Thank you.
[1:21:39] Thank you.
[1:21:42] question, it will be three exits, two of them will go through Mary's metal, however.
[1:21:46] So the only one that is due to this development.
[1:21:51] So my question for the city council is why?
[1:21:55] Why is the period you being considered for this property?
[1:21:59] Well, councilman blocks and brought up was a very good point that
[1:22:02] if that's just the status quo that every property is going to happen, then why do we
[1:22:06] zone for certain square footage for these housing?
[1:22:09] And if it's not, then what designates this as a special case,
[1:22:14] I understand the geometry is a bit odd, but as we can see,
[1:22:18] it's all buildable.
[1:22:20] There are a few audent-cates whole plots,
[1:22:22] but I would argue that a lot of those are because they're trying to put
[1:22:24] smaller lots onto roads that were laid out for larger lots.
[1:22:29] And because that was what was in the original city plan.
[1:22:33] So why?
[1:22:34] Is it because we need more affordable housing in the city as a parent?
[1:22:37] of three, I, who, and there, they're all about to leave the nest, somehow already had
[1:22:41] I understand the need for affordable housing.
[1:22:43] It is the 55 plus community guidance in that, no, because they can't buy those houses.
[1:22:48] And even the houses that those 55 year olds sell, to move here, will be to expensive
[1:22:54] for Gen Z or to afford.
[1:22:56] The town homes will help us with affordable housing, but we have no guarantee of how many
[1:23:01] those will actually be sold, and how many will be kept as rentals for afflits.
[1:23:06] I'm like a certain city to ourselves.
[1:23:09] Ladies and gentlemen, good job about providing affordable housing.
[1:23:12] We have three story, four story apartments and different parts of the city.
[1:23:16] We have lots of different affordable housing.
[1:23:18] But not all new housing is to be higher density.
[1:23:22] This is a violation of the trust in a way that when we didn't spot our homes here,
[1:23:28] we were expecting one thing and now we're being handed to something different.
[1:23:33] So let's call this what it is.
[1:23:35] I believe this is, as the gentleman who presented this said,
[1:23:38] who builders lay out a plan in a way that it's economical.
[1:23:42] This is a way for the builder to maximize profits.
[1:23:45] I don't just credit the company for wanting maximize profit.
[1:23:48] I'm a capitalist. I believe that's what companies are supposed to do.
[1:23:51] But as home, as we have a variety of protect our properties and the value of those properties,
[1:23:55] which will be degraded by having these higher density columns in the so-closed ours.
[1:24:00] In particular, lots 14, 15, 32, and 33,
[1:24:07] dang of the way these houses are positioned will provide only a five-foot stand-off from the existing homes.
[1:24:14] I know Robert is one of those, and as he mentioned, he will have six properties, if mine included, touching his.
[1:24:20] The other properties, on 250 West, were the slag lots, and north of that, they'll also have
[1:24:27] stand-off very close to their properties, and I spoke both of them today that were able to be here and they're not happy with that.
[1:24:31] But they got the impression from the council meeting that there's no choice in the matter now.
[1:24:36] This is just within the city code.
[1:24:38] So I would ask the city council to remember who it is you represent in the city.
[1:24:43] And to turn deny the PRUD, stick with the original R18 zoning.
[1:24:49] And if the city council determines, obviously I'm emotionally involved in it and have a involvement here.
[1:24:55] If the city decides that this is what's good for the city, then I would ask at least to deny this current plan.
[1:25:01] And to, at the real value with it, with some minor modifications, we could eliminate those,
[1:25:08] or what to call them, poorly designed for laid-out areas, to make this a much more palatable layout.
[1:25:14] So, I know that there was a lot of backlash from the original plan,
[1:25:20] and I feel like many of our neighbors are kind of, of course, in shock and awe after that.
[1:25:24] And to accept this is so much better than all the apartments, everything that we're going to do.
[1:25:28] but I would argue that McDonald's hamburger is better
[1:25:31] than Jack and the box, but still I get a hamburger.
[1:25:36] So let's hold that held out and let's get something better
[1:25:39] for this location.
[1:25:41] Thank you.
[1:25:42] Thank you.
[1:25:53] I'll be brief.
[1:25:54] I heard some things brought up here that have answers for it.
[1:25:58] First off, let's not kid ourselves.
[1:26:01] How many farms are on Gentile Street?
[1:26:05] West of Main Street?
[1:26:06] all that Syracuse.
[1:26:09] Hundreds of acres.
[1:26:11] All of those are going to be developed.
[1:26:14] When that happens,
[1:26:16] I'm going to take out a borrow line from
[1:26:18] Councilman Roberts, from the back room there,
[1:26:20] talking about the trees, think of the future residents.
[1:26:24] Gentiles trees are going to become a bust line.
[1:26:27] It's been one of these days that UTA,
[1:26:28] who was here today, is going to come back to this council and say,
[1:26:31] we're ready to put something in.
[1:26:32] It goes all the way down to Gentiles tree to Syracuse and then up.
[1:26:36] Let's think of the future residents.
[1:26:41] I
[1:26:43] do want to correct the comment that this is the 1.5 miles away from the train station.
[1:26:48] It is if you drive, it's 0.8 miles as you ride a bike, because you don't have to go all the way to the main street.
[1:26:54] This is very close. This will be used by the E-bike crowd.
[1:27:00] But
[1:27:03] for those who don't yet know why cities make PRUDs, there's these green triangles up here on there.
[1:27:13] The city doesn't want to buy parks.
[1:27:14] The city wants a developer to build you a park.
[1:27:17] And that's why they love PRUDs.
[1:27:20] So this bench doesn't have to find another park.
[1:27:22] We'll build their own park.
[1:27:24] That's the tight atmosphere.
[1:27:28] Also, there's a comment about the city south of us doing so well with their planning and we're doing so well with what you city on affordable housing
[1:27:38] That's looking the wrong direction clear field is doing affordable housing right if you want to model for affordable housing
[1:27:45] They're there mayors, but I'd like to do a national board over affordable housing
[1:27:49] That's the model to emulate
[1:27:50] She wants to know the floor
[1:27:56] So anyone else?
[1:27:59] Okay, saying that there's no more comments.
[1:28:01] I'm going to go ahead and bring it back to the council.
[1:28:04] Let's go ahead and take action on this item before we go on to the next.
[1:28:10] One, do you, I don't know if you know or not,
[1:28:14] but my question is if the,
[1:28:18] so the presentation said that if the PRED were approved,
[1:28:21] then the number of laws or the number of units that are presented here
[1:28:25] what would be a proof. Do we know what it would be if the PDRED was not a part of this plan?
[1:28:32] Is it 35% less than what the units are that are already on the plan currently?
[1:28:39] Now, so if the council approves this evening that this density actually is not guaranteed,
[1:28:46] the developer has sort of include several items that are required in our code in order to
[1:28:54] receive that bonus, the open space amenities and what these like that are actually
[1:29:04] it adds to that ability to increase density. As far as I haven't done the math, so I don't
[1:29:12] know exactly how many lots would be allowed if it was discovered.
[1:29:16] So I guess my question is the way that the plan is presented currently is with the
[1:29:23] understanding that they filter what has received approval for the PREV.
[1:29:30] No, actually, well, the approval would be for the development agreement, which would
[1:29:34] allow them to go through the process to get a plan to prove through the planning commission
[1:29:40] for whatever density that ends up as, but the approval for the rezoning for medical
[1:29:46] to all eight, so allows them to densely, that it would go from agricultural to farmland.
[1:29:54] Okay, let me ask this another way. Is there an opportunity?
[1:30:00] For the density that was presented tonight to increase,
[1:30:12] correct?
[1:30:21] So, the R1A zone by itself has a density of four units per acre.
[1:30:26] And so, they need to get 1.46 of that bonus density that we want to talk about, which equates to about 35% density bonus based on the PRU ordinance.
[1:30:37] And so with the 87 units, the other proposing that they can only fit really based on this plan.
[1:30:45] I don't see how they can get a higher density than that.
[1:30:50] Thank you.
[1:30:51] The main reason I was asking that is I was aware as all of you were as well.
[1:30:58] When they first presented this plan, the identity was double.
[1:31:04] What is here presently?
[1:31:06] And so with all of the talk about the PRUD and the opportunities for that, just wanted to present
[1:31:11] our understand that there's not really an opportunity for more density than what has been presented tonight
[1:31:19] versus what have been presented prior.
[1:31:22] Correct. And what happened in November of 2023?
[1:31:27] was they asked for a general plan and went to which would give a zoning of our age, which
[1:31:33] is our highest density zone for residential, and that's what allowed them to get or ask
[1:31:40] for 10.6 years per acre. So with this now being our one eight, that's the base zone with
[1:31:47] You're the overlay that does come back to the standoff.
[1:31:53] Yeah.
[1:31:53] Let's get any more questions?
[1:31:57] Just one of you.
[1:31:59] I did some math there.
[1:32:03] It's 5.16, right?
[1:32:04] That's what this is.
[1:32:06] 5.1 since you and it's up right.
[1:32:08] 5.46.
[1:32:09] 5.46.
[1:32:10] If it was 5.16,
[1:32:12] And by that, by an acre, you come up with an average lot of about 8,400 square feet
[1:32:19] as a pecker.
[1:32:22] We're over 8,000 square feet.
[1:32:25] So, really what the PRUD does in this instance is give a little more leeway on front-edge
[1:32:35] block configuration as that correct.
[1:32:37] Yeah, there's no flexibility on setbacks in front-end.
[1:32:40] It also allows us, as long put in a presentation, without the PR-UDA, they would not be able to do the towns under the R1A zone.
[1:32:50] And so by having that in the ordinance of 30% of the NIS can be towns under the PR-UDA, that does a lot about higher density.
[1:33:01] But yeah, most of the units would be comparable to an R1A zone, other than the towns.
[1:33:08] Thank you.
[1:33:11] And that's why we're usually good for any other comments here.
[1:33:19] Can't believe that you have, I know you're the developer.
[1:33:23] Did you want to answer a question from earlier, is that what you're thinking?
[1:33:27] Otherwise, I'm going to clarify.
[1:33:29] Sure.
[1:33:29] Go ahead and speak before we take a vote on this.
[1:33:35] Thank you very much.
[1:33:37] I'm Craig Jacobson and I'm here on behalf of the applicant this evening.
[1:33:42] And I do want to express gratitude to the staff.
[1:33:47] We've been working on this project now for three years, plus trying
[1:33:53] to find something that would address the majority of the concerns
[1:33:58] of the neighbors and something that is viable.
[1:34:01] One of the things that has not been addressed specifically this evening,
[1:34:07] it is a uniquely shaped piece of property.
[1:34:09] it's easy if you're not a developer to just say it lays out well, it doesn't lay out
[1:34:17] that well, but we also have industrial on the other side of this project, and that
[1:34:24] does impact what types of housing can be successfully built and marketed. So I wanted
[1:34:34] to point that out. I just, I don't want to retry out a lot of ground, but I do feel like from
[1:34:40] when we were here in that infamous meeting, the concerns that were raised have been itemized
[1:34:50] and that is the Transience, the Density, the Traffic, and the non-compliance with the General
[1:34:59] the message that we heard was, bring us a project that complies with the general plan, and that's what we have done, working together with the city staff, and we feel like we're all on board with this.
[1:35:17] The active adult is the main thing that I wanted to try to address for a moment I heard some comments in the background, and there have been comments tonight. Why? And how do you go about doing that?
[1:35:30] Our builder-ovation homes has been doing active adult communities for almost 30 years.
[1:35:37] I don't think it's bragging to say it's the leader of this type of housing in Northern Utah.
[1:35:44] We have many projects here in Latin, as has been accommodating.
[1:35:49] You know, 60% of the citizens that live South of Gentile over on that West side are 55 and older.
[1:35:58] There is a great need, and it does often open up housing that is affordable to others to allow them to move into a community
[1:36:08] that is designed precisely for them.
[1:36:12] houses don't have steps. They don't have slope. They're designed perfectly and the way we have
[1:36:19] integrated a trail system into this and other communities, it's going to be highly desired
[1:36:27] by these citizens that we value highly. Some of them we saw here earlier this evening. I am
[1:36:35] to one of them. But with that, you see two types of active adult housing. You see targeted
[1:36:45] and age restricted. What we've heard a lot of talk about is targeted that many of the builders
[1:36:52] try to advertise to that demographic, but it's open to anybody. Anybody can can buy a home there.
[1:37:00] We specifically build active adult communities and it's an exception under the Fair Housing Act that allows you, in essence, to discriminate against other demographics of buyers.
[1:37:18] And allows you to create a community that's unique to that particular buyer.
[1:37:23] it allows you to restrict the number of people that live in the home.
[1:37:30] They are the CC&Rs that will be recorded, will require them to be oner occupied.
[1:37:37] And one of the benefits that was one of the complaints raised by Mary's Meadow is the
[1:37:43] traffic acted the adult communities lower the traffic by 60%.
[1:37:49] So this really does address one of the great concerns of the neighbors in the community.
[1:37:57] So I wanted to point that out. I wanted to make clear that this will be on our occupied.
[1:38:03] There will not be transience. The town homes will have their own HOA.
[1:38:08] There will be then a master community agreement where everybody shares and pays for the amenities.
[1:38:14] And those will not be committed to be owner occupied, although the vast majority will be sold that way,
[1:38:24] but it will not necessarily be de-dressed, but I think that it's obviously impossible to please everybody,
[1:38:35] but we have been working on this project now for well over three years.
[1:38:41] We believe it's going to be a valued asset of the city and we would request your support tonight and allowing us to move forward with an approved
[1:38:52] Resonant and the development agreement that does cap the number of homes and let us work continue to work with this city staff towards a preliminary plan on this project. Thank you.
[1:39:06] Okay. Thank you very much. That's a good clarification.
[1:39:11] Council, I'm going to bring it back to you at this time and entertain a motion to approve, deny whatever you want to do on this, but I'd like to go ahead and call for a vote at this time.
[1:39:23] For you sir, I've heard twice from you now. I think that's good enough and it's now back to the Council. Take the direction.
[1:39:31] Madam Mayor, may I ask a question?
[1:39:36] The developer mentioned, thank you for being here.
[1:39:40] Oh, there you are.
[1:39:41] The deed restricted versus the having the owner occupied, or the 505 holder excuse me,
[1:39:47] and the CCNRs.
[1:39:48] As of both, there's a one or the other.
[1:39:51] How does that work?
[1:39:53] So the CCNRs for the active adult portion, this 61 lots, are recorded against the law.
[1:40:01] which creates an essence of data restriction.
[1:40:07] Any other clarification from the council?
[1:40:16] Then I'll call for action.
[1:40:29] Madam Aaron, move that we approve the reason.
[1:40:33] The concept of planning development agreement.
[1:40:36] That would be resolution 25-03 and ordinance 25-02.
[1:40:56] Thank you.
[1:40:58] It's been moved in second that we adopt the Reson request and general plan concept plan.
[1:41:06] I'll do a roll call vote on this.
[1:41:09] Council member Thomas.
[1:41:14] Council member Smith Edmonton.
[1:41:17] Madam Mayor, I am going to OI on this.
[1:41:20] They do still have some concerns about how the Deed Restriction piece will be enforced
[1:41:28] on as far as the 55 and older if your evasion has a number of these properties in the
[1:41:34] city already, what the actual demand is for this demographic, so I am still a little concerned
[1:41:44] about that, but I will go I can thank you.
[1:41:47] council member Morris.
[1:41:50] Council member Watson.
[1:41:55] Do you hear that?
[1:41:57] I mean he said maybe.
[1:41:59] Council member.
[1:42:02] Councilman, box and do you mind restate that?
[1:42:09] No.
[1:42:09] I think it said no.
[1:42:11] He said may the for some and no.
[1:42:12] Oh, okay.
[1:42:13] All right.
[1:42:15] Council member Roberts.
[1:42:16] May I like to explain my load as well please.
[1:42:18] This is a tough night for me, a lot of you probably know that Mary was grandma off to me, so, and I live in Mary's house now, so this is a tough one.
[1:42:32] I appreciate the work that's gone into it from both staff and the developer and the residents that have worked with a developer as well.
[1:42:43] I understand the concerns that have been voiced, and I'll be voting yes for the reasons
[1:42:56] that a community like this, a 55 and older, active adult, whatever you want to call
[1:43:02] him, I've done a lot of research, I've driven through a lot of them, they very well
[1:43:09] kept communities. I think they're good neighbors to have. I believe the statistics that
[1:43:17] it's reduced traffic. So for all of those reasons, I'll be voting. Yes, Mayor, thank
[1:43:24] you. Thank you very much. So resolution 25 national three passes for one.
[1:43:36] Okay. Well, now
[1:43:37] to raise our request for the East View subdivisions.
[1:43:42] So long, do you like Mr. Kraald?
[1:43:44] Do you want to dedicate this on this one?
[1:43:47] Thank you, Mayor.
[1:43:48] And so we have ordnance 2503, which is a request
[1:43:53] to combine two parcels into one lot.
[1:43:58] And also to resolve the property from R18,
[1:44:01] a portion of the property from R18 to R16.
[1:44:04] This property is located at a price that will actually at 97 south and 225 east.
[1:44:11] It's adjacent to I-15 as you can see, and Union Pacific, and there's also a large transmission
[1:44:18] power line that goes along the back of the property.
[1:44:22] Mr. Austin Ford has made this application.
[1:44:24] He would like to combine these lots of your own spoke properties for the purpose of construction
[1:44:30] constructing an accessory structure. He would like to clean up the back of his property and put use
[1:44:36] vehicles into that accessory structure or a road that's required a primary structure in order to
[1:44:43] Construct an accessory structure, and that's where the that's the reason why he is being asked to combine these lots and he's agreed to do so
[1:44:52] This request is double the size of his lot, so he needs all the requirements of
[1:44:58] of the R1's 6 out of it.
[1:45:00] You can see that the only R1-8 zoning in this area is actually along with the front edge of I-15. These are all backs of lots, transmission line roster here, and so he's surrounded in the annulment by R1-6 slots. So his request is to combine these lots into one and creating the Austin Fort subdivision, and then reason on the property from R1-8 to R1-6 to be consistent with the property he wants.
[1:45:32] Please recommend a approval on January 28 and staff I support that recommendation to you this evening and I'm happy to answer any questions.
[1:45:41] Any questions, council?
[1:45:46] I have a one question.
[1:45:50] So, property that's right in front of this right next to him is that that's a separate honor.
[1:46:02] Okay.
[1:46:06] Any other questions?
[1:46:11] Kate, there's no further questions in.
[1:46:12] I'll open it up for public comments regarding item number B on their public hearing.
[1:46:20] Once again, if you approach, you can just state your name that'd be great.
[1:46:28] Hi, my name is Elaine Lofado, and I live next door to this, the 98-987 South-225 East, and so
[1:46:45] my concern is that I wrote an email on Jan to thank me because I was concerned, and I am
[1:47:03] And living next door to him has been in my bed, because it's constant cars roaring coming in and out, there's always cars.
[1:47:15] I love to work in my garden on retired from the Navy.
[1:47:19] And after being in Iraq, I can't handle it out there.
[1:47:25] It's constantly roaring in the summertime and the weekends, Saturday, Sunday, all the time.
[1:47:32] I've even asked him, please, can you keep it now?
[1:47:36] So, like the service, where is he going to, what's he's doing to the property?
[1:47:43] Where does this disposal of the oils and the field going to, what's he going to do with
[1:47:48] because he's going to build a garage.
[1:47:51] What about fire protection?
[1:47:54] And how close it right now he has people,
[1:47:58] whether that forgets my faith,
[1:48:00] but how does the fire break sound or something?
[1:48:03] What about our insurance?
[1:48:05] Who's going to be responsible for that?
[1:48:08] So, not most of my concerns.
[1:48:10] I had sent a detailed email,
[1:48:13] and I'm not going to read now because it's too late anyway.
[1:48:16] but those of my concerns, so thanks for listening and I hope none of you have to get a neighbor like that.
[1:48:24] Thank you.
[1:48:25] Thank you.
[1:48:27] Can we appreciate your service?
[1:48:29] I would like to speak up with Orange Agent.
[1:48:34] My brother is the surviving Orange Agent.
[1:48:36] He's 77 years old right now and he's suffering with Orange Agent.
[1:48:41] So I'm a woman's favorite.
[1:48:42] Thank you.
[1:48:44] Next.
[1:48:50] My name is Austin Ford.
[1:48:51] I'm the owner of those two properties.
[1:48:55] I do this a lobby.
[1:48:56] I have a lot of vehicles.
[1:48:58] She is correct.
[1:48:59] You know, I have a lot.
[1:49:01] And I constantly drive them in and out.
[1:49:03] I restore them as much as I can.
[1:49:06] Regarding fuel disposal and oil disposal.
[1:49:09] You know, let's drop off to the right leases.
[1:49:10] I know how this and they take that for free.
[1:49:13] So that's obviously not dumped on property or anything like that.
[1:49:16] However, to build this garage, we'll solve a lot of relationships with the vehicle being parked next to her fence
[1:49:25] as they'll be parked inside and woke up.
[1:49:29] I don't know if I need to really have anything for that,
[1:49:35] Chris.
[1:49:37] I have one question for you.
[1:49:40] Regarding the noise, do you see them that this is such a hobbyist, and you'll be working on these cars inside
[1:49:45] that you would mitigate that noise or would know that actually out on the street.
[1:49:51] A lot of that would be less than as I do do it in my backyard to bring as much noise as possible.
[1:49:59] I do have a couple of vehicles that are extremely loud, however they are classics, and they are welcome to be that just because of the year it will be a cool.
[1:50:07] Okay, thank you.
[1:50:14] Any other comments?
[1:50:24] Yeah, my name is Sarah Hansen.
[1:50:26] I'm actually Austin's mom, so I think we just need like a tiny bit of clarification that he left out.
[1:50:32] So originally when him and his wife purchased this property, we were not aware that they were not
[1:50:37] zoned the same. So there was a red flag that came up in the mortgage part of it and they were combined
[1:50:43] via the taxes for the county, but late in but never with late in city. So we had never dealt with
[1:50:50] something like that and so there actually is a structure on the back part of the property that
[1:50:56] we're trying to rezone that he's trying to rezone that is dilapidated so that is actually
[1:51:02] the whole purpose is to put a better healthier structure there for safety to be honest so I
[1:51:09] just thought that should be kind of clarify. Okay thank
[1:51:21] you everyone at this time I think I'll
[1:51:28] go ahead and bring it back to the Council for action, which Council, if you could, if you
[1:51:33] make your motion, would you mind closing the public area in as well?
[1:51:42] So, just clarifying after the public area in is this one, maybe this is for the applicant,
[1:51:48] but is this one tax ID then and we're just bringing it up to meet with the county?
[1:51:55] Correct, it's actually one tax ID, but I'll show you a map that I made earlier to help us
[1:52:01] understand. The county actually recorded beads to separate this lot to one four, which
[1:52:07] used the total four that actually included all of this land. It was never legally subdivided.
[1:52:15] And so the county shows separate parcels for them and for their neighbor and for this person
[1:52:20] and this person, but it's as far as we're concerned because of the subdivision ordinances that we
[1:52:31] And so this will create a legal subdivision for this parcel that is currently shown as a one on the county tax records.
[1:52:43] Yeah, it's going to take a look at this, but similar, but we did with what was proposed that we had loaded on the desert industries.
[1:52:56] The building, desert industries, behind the B.I. between the B.I. and the Foreign
[1:53:01] Research Center.
[1:53:02] Is this similar?
[1:53:04] I'm assuming it's B.I.
[1:53:05] Okay.
[1:53:06] All right.
[1:53:07] Okay.
[1:53:11] That's a good analogy though, that helps clarify any of the questions here.
[1:53:16] Council.
[1:53:16] Otherwise, I'd like for motion.
[1:53:23] Madam Mayor.
[1:53:24] Madam Mayor.
[1:53:25] I'll make a motion to close the public hearing and adopt ordinance.
[1:53:29] It's 25-0-3.
[1:53:33] There's a second.
[1:53:35] It's been moved in second.
[1:53:36] We closed our public hearing and adopted ordinance 25-0-3.
[1:53:40] Let's again, I'll do a roll call vote.
[1:53:43] I'll start with Councilmember Roberts.
[1:53:47] Councilmember Blocksham?
[1:53:49] Yes.
[1:53:50] Okay.
[1:53:51] Councilmember Morris?
[1:53:53] Aye.
[1:53:54] Councilmember.
[1:53:55] Set that into?
[1:53:57] And Councilmember Thomas?
[1:53:59] Aye.
[1:53:59] Okay, there you have it, the Austin Ford subdivision is passed unanimously, and the closed
[1:54:07] are public hearing, it also is a conclusion of our regular schedule meeting as well.
[1:54:15] So, with that, you hold up your hat to do you have it, it's an unfinished business.
[1:54:25] You do?
[1:54:25] Go ahead and do.
[1:54:26] Do you have something you want to bring forward?
[1:54:28] Go ahead.
[1:54:28] Yes, so in the citizens comments, the baseball and softball
[1:54:35] folks brought up something that was brought up during our last council meeting, and I think
[1:54:39] we probably forgot to discuss it or bring it up, and so I know I was wondering, do we have
[1:54:47] any information I know that Parks and Rec has left the building tonight, but do we have any
[1:54:52] information about why that we removed our latent city, baseball and softball folks from
[1:55:02] that tournament, that's something that we forgot to bring up earlier, so.
[1:55:07] Okay, yes.
[1:55:08] I think that was going to take to that.
[1:55:10] Yeah.
[1:55:11] Why should we put that to a talk with the Council of Robertson and the mayor and the mayor and
[1:55:16] of tons about it and also take price, but essentially what I think the underlying issue
[1:55:23] is that it was started at the request of case Bill Sidd, a couple of years ago, the requests
[1:55:29] to have this extra turmoil to involve various cities competing against each other, and similar
[1:55:38] to a contemplative basis, but we've talked about this evening, but the cities were the ones
[1:55:42] that were involved in identifying who those people were, so it became a city sponsored
[1:55:46] all-start team, if you will, as opposed to a coach that's sponsored, and there's now
[1:55:51] all-start team that takes place, at the end of the regular recreation season, right?
[1:55:57] That display on the third or fourth of July, you should be the fourth most served joy typically.
[1:56:03] So it was sort of as an experiment, what we have found is that we, from the preparation
[1:56:07] perspective, is that we're, the people that are going to say this, the underlying issue seems
[1:56:14] be that the people that are concerned about this change are individuals who are appropriately
[1:56:20] want their kids to have more of a comp league type, highly competitive environment and experience,
[1:56:28] and with the city being involved in this in the past, they've been able to do that in
[1:56:31] much cheaper rates and actually enroll in their kids in competition sports. We was a recreation program
[1:56:37] typically we don't have competitive program.
[1:56:41] That's the five-man individuals to do that.
[1:56:44] And so the challenge is for people who don't want to pay the money
[1:56:48] to have a big time that competitively they have enjoyed this opportunity
[1:56:53] to have a glimpse of that competitive, really competitive experience.
[1:56:58] For the status perspective, one of the challenges that has occurred
[1:57:00] which always occurs when you have parents and coaches
[1:57:04] and kids in competitive lengths, it becomes very competitive and the issues, some of the issues
[1:57:11] that we've talked about before in a rectal run or getting to show themselves in this environment
[1:57:19] as well.
[1:57:21] And so, from the staff's perspective, we were a recreation program and we ought to be recreation
[1:57:26] or we ought to be competitive, not kind of a hybrid, because in between we have about, I think
[1:57:32] the number was 10 to 12,000 kids involved in the recreational league, as mentioned tonight
[1:57:39] there's a hundred or fifty or so kids that are participating in this extra creature
[1:57:44] or so, in terms of the overall focus of the programs, the staff has felt like that
[1:57:52] it's better to focus our efforts on creating a great experience for a recreational level
[1:57:57] keeps it more play. It's not based on totally winning on losing, but
[1:58:01] learning the sport and having a good time at enjoying it. If individuals
[1:58:05] want to have their children receive something in addition to that, they can do
[1:58:09] that through a competitive league. So that's kind of a short version of it.
[1:58:18] Do I help?
[1:58:21] Yeah.
[1:58:22] I know.
[1:58:23] It's not one.
[1:58:24] Because you get it.
[1:58:25] I might order this session on that later.
[1:58:28] Not necessarily tonight.
[1:58:29] But I would like for us to talk about that a little bit further.
[1:58:38] That's the ace.
[1:58:39] That's the question.
[1:58:42] So I've talked to several parents,
[1:58:45] Baseball parents, self-ball parents, and I can feel for them because they didn't know about it until they went to sign up,
[1:58:56] where alternatively they could have gone to another league or gone to a comp team.
[1:59:03] I'd like to see if there's an option to continue as it was expected this year,
[1:59:10] because I think a lot of teams just anticipated it was the same with little warning, and then
[1:59:20] maybe with better communication, if that's what the decision next year, and that's a thought I have.
[1:59:28] That's fair.
[1:59:29] I agree.
[1:59:31] Mr. Clarify on that.
[1:59:33] My understanding is that the changes were especially parts of recognition and were supported by them.
[1:59:41] And at the moment of the time of what you can make changes to the programs is not outside of the scope of when people are registering,
[1:59:47] rather than sending something out, such as seven months earlier when those programs are being contemplated
[1:59:55] and expect people to remember that. This was put out of this testimony, Albert said.
[2:00:00] We're beginning with the registration period, and my understanding is that period was four to six weeks.
[2:00:06] Some people were notified, because there might typically be a notification, just a program space on one of the registration for that program goes out.
[2:00:14] We've understood, the staffs understood the person back there, there may be some individuals who,
[2:00:24] who, who,
[2:00:25] they previously paid money toward the city but we fund that money so we're not trying
[2:00:29] to lock anybody in and try to create such a little career in this and that's something
[2:00:32] that's a good idea or a bad idea but I think the registration, the notification went out
[2:00:38] just this in a way that all notifications go out and change these programs and that's when
[2:00:42] the next year comes around and the program should be registered for both the coaches and to
[2:00:48] and the players of the Federation goes that goes out.
[2:00:56] I just think that with the communication that goes out through the mail in what not,
[2:01:03] we already know that they're restricted in what they can say and what they can't say.
[2:01:07] And I know when you go online, there's some little messages here and there that tell you about different things that are happening.
[2:01:13] You know, like with swimming, if the pool is closed during certain times, all of that is there.
[2:01:18] But I think something like this that perhaps staff knew was on a trail basis, folks.
[2:01:24] You know, I can speak for myself.
[2:01:26] My kids aren't old enough to be in that portion of it currently, but they do all of the other sports.
[2:01:32] And if I, you know, I have a six year older eight year old.
[2:01:36] I'm not thinking about a tournament that they might be in when they're in junior high school.
[2:01:40] And so you may have some parents who have signed up and then they realize, oh, you know,
[2:01:44] my kids have the opportunity to play in this tournament and then it becomes a thing that
[2:01:47] they enjoy and that they love.
[2:01:49] Not knowing it's a temporary basis, I didn't know it was a temporary basis either.
[2:01:55] And so, to Council Member Roberts' point, giving time for that information, that communication,
[2:02:02] you know, kind of Lawrence more, I think something like this warrants more communication for parents
[2:02:09] and students, kids who are participating, and that's why I asked what the reason was,
[2:02:15] like if there were financial issue, if there were not enough staff to continue to help
[2:02:21] during that time, if it was something like that, then that's something that's a little bit
[2:02:26] easier to understand, but if it's because parents are being too hungry or whatever it is,
[2:02:32] then I think those are things that can be mitigated with communication, but without having that
[2:02:36] opportunity, then it just seems like we're taking services away without really having a reason.
[2:02:44] And I think, you know, for me, I wouldn't appreciate that if I were one of those same parents.
[2:02:50] So if there's something that we can do to offer that this year and say, hey, you know, we've had some concerns.
[2:02:57] These are the concerns we've had, just like we do when there are other issues.
[2:03:00] letting them know what those issues are and giving some advanced notice. I think that's like the least we could do
[2:03:09] Okay, anybody else still same way
[2:03:14] If they like you want to keep the program this year, and then given that's notice. I'm
[2:03:21] a little torn
[2:03:23] I
[2:03:23] Probably the biggest baseball
[2:03:27] person here,
[2:03:28] spend a lot of years
[2:03:30] Holding, trying to help kids,
[2:03:38] one thing I feel, and I agree with what you said, totally,
[2:03:47] I agree with what's sort of a share, but at the same time, I'm a little bit torn, because
[2:03:57] I raised my kids and we played REC and we played calm and we went from REC to calm.
[2:04:10] I think there's ways that you can do the same thing.
[2:04:14] The only difference is I think one portion is saying less let the city play for it.
[2:04:24] The other part of it is as maybe I can go on from here
[2:04:27] And take this team, you know, I don't know what the cost would be, you know, it's like you don't take it away from them, but it does take individuals that are willing to step up.
[2:04:42] And so I see it both ways. And I would like some better clarification as to why.
[2:04:49] and then go from there. I'm not saying that, you
[2:04:59] know, you know, if you let it go
[2:05:04] another year, what are we accomplishing? Okay, and the other part is, if we let it go
[2:05:12] another year, maybe we can fix what was wrong. So I'm kind of, I'm sitting on the fence
[2:05:26] Yeah, I don't disagree with any of the reasoning for discontinuing up, if you will.
[2:05:35] And I'm not pointing fingers at anyone that made that decision.
[2:05:39] I think it was a tough blow for, I mean, we saw some kids stand up and pour their heart out, you know, for what they love and what they look forward to.
[2:05:49] So I think it's worth a discussion further and see if we can maybe make this your workout.
[2:05:56] I mean, right now where I said that's why I'm a favorite of a club to have a discussion about it.
[2:06:04] Okay, that's there.
[2:06:05] You know, it is in the February.
[2:06:09] And we heard earlier how short the season is.
[2:06:11] Anyway, it's only four weeks in May and June, or the Telene May in the June,
[2:06:20] so I'd
[2:06:20] say, yes, let's continue this conversation and make our decisions so that the Parks
[2:06:27] and Rec folks know, as well as the kids that are participating in the program, if we're
[2:06:32] going to continue this year with the caveat that it needs to be either one fine-tuned or
[2:06:40] to know that this is the last year or so, I mean, this is a good discussion on glad you
[2:06:45] brought that so that we can, you know, make sure we do it right for our kids, you know,
[2:06:52] it's a great program.
[2:06:53] I mean, I'm glad to see that we do have our all-star program that's part of the recreation
[2:06:58] that we've brought to our attention a few years ago that it needed to be moved to July 3rd,
[2:07:04] so that these kids can enjoy the parade as well, because typically they would have been
[2:07:08] I analyze it fourth and most of them miss the parade, but instead now we get to honor them in the parade.
[2:07:14] So I think that's these are the type of discussions that we have that basically just better the program all the way around.
[2:07:22] So council would say that probably our next what we probably have a discussion system.
[2:07:30] All right, what that is.
[2:07:31] Is there any other unfinished business?
[2:07:32] It's not I will entertain a motion to close.
[2:07:36] However, knowing that tonight was a very moving evening, we've certainly had a lot of veterans
[2:07:44] in the crowd.
[2:07:45] We have heard from other residents that have served in our country, and I just have to say,
[2:07:50] thank you very much.
[2:07:51] We're very blessed for their dedication to our freedom and to your voices fantastic.
[2:07:59] I think you need to try out for the Davis Arts Council.
[2:08:02] go on their website and tell me you want to try out for that.
[2:08:06] A lot of people need to hear your voice, it was beautiful.
[2:08:09] With that, I'll entertain emotions because...
[2:08:15] I don't know, emotions.
[2:08:17] I've took close to meeting.
[2:08:20] Okay, I'll let knowledge that motion and thank everyone for being here tonight
[2:08:24] and participating. It was good meeting tonight, so thank you very much.