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Here we go.

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Good morning, commissioners and members of the public. Thank you so much for taking the time to be with us this morning.

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It is July 22, 23, 2021, land conservation and development commission meeting.

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My name is Esther Johnson and I am the Commission Assistance.

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With that, I would like to introduce Chair Robin McArthur.

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Thank you Ms. Johnson.

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I'm Robin McArthur.

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I'm Chair of the Land Conservation and Development Commission and as Ms. Johnson mentioned,

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I'm Gabbling in the July 2021 meeting of this said commission.

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Welcome everybody. Welcome commissioners. Welcome department staff and all those other folks that are listening in today.

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I think I'll just ask Esther to start off by calling the roles. So folks on video will know who is here today in the way of commissioners.

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Yes, Vice Chair Haloba.

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Yeah.

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Commissioner Warren.

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Here.

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Commissioner Lee Lack.

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Here.

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Commissioner Sandival.

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Here.

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Commissioner Jacobson.

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I don't see Commissioner Jacobson.

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I can.

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I will.

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I do have an e-mail so I will be sending her resending the link and also Commissioner

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Pairmines.

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Commissioner and Pairmines will be joining us intermittently and last but not least,

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Chair McArthur. Thank you. And I want to welcome back Commissioner Sondeval. We haven't seen you

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for a few meetings. You were on a health leave and we are just really tickled to have you back,

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especially for the topics that were going to review today would really encourage your input and

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recorded that. I have not heard from Commissioner Jacobson but Commissioner

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Paramine and I spoke and she is going to focus on portions of tomorrow's meeting. I

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don't believe she's going to sign in today. She'll be there for the climate friendly

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role-making discussion as well as the diversity equity and inclusion discussion

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tomorrow morning and early afternoon. So welcome everybody. I think at this point I wanted to

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really have special things as usual for DL City staff for making today happen. Again you do a

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fantastic job and we have all sorts of folks that work really hard sort of behind the scenes as well

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as in front when you'll see people talking today staff members and everyone's just on the terrific job

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to get us here today.

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So thanks to everyone.

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And Ms. Taylor will be doing the formal timekeeping.

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She's going to one of those behind the scenes folks.

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It keeps us in line.

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So thank you for that.

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At this point, I'd like to ask Commissioner Lee Lack

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if you would be willing to read the land acknowledgement.

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Thank you, Chair MacArthur.

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I'm certainly pleased to do so.

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I'd like to acknowledge the many tribes and bands

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who call Oregon their ancestral territory

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and honor the ongoing relationship between the land, plants, animals, and people indigenous

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to this place we now call Oregon. We recognize the continued sovereignty of the nine

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federally recognized tribes who have ties to this place and thank them for continuing to teach us

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how we might all be here together. Thank you, Commissioner. A couple of housekeeping matters.

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I wanted to remind folks about the score card, which is Esther sent in your packet.

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I think it was a couple of weeks ago, and that is a really great way for you to provide

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feedback to staff directly about the content of the presentation.

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And the staff reports, and it is very much a useful tool for staff to be guided by that input. So please fill those out. And then, at this point, I think I can just call it, hopefully, commissioners have had a chance to look at the agenda. And I'd like to ask for a motion to approve today and tomorrow's agenda.

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So move. Commissioner Lee Lack, do I have a second?

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Second.

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Great.

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Commissioner Warren.

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Esther, you want to call the roll?

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Yes.

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And Commissioner.

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Jickinson has joined us.

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Oh, great.

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Hi.

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Commissioner, stand of all.

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Commissioner Warren.

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Commissioner Lee Lack.

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Hi.

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Jacobson. I heard the motion. I.

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Vice chair. Hello, but.

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Hi. Chair McArthur. I.

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The agenda is approved and we can go on and move on to item number two, which is the directors report.

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And as Jim is getting ready to do his report.

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I just want to take a moment to acknowledge the passing of Henry Richmond.

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I don't know if you've seen the articles near Argonian, or if you know much about Mr. Richmond,

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but he was the founder of thousands of Oregon, and he leaves in a really critically important legacy to Oregon,

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and is much credited with really focusing on growth management and the protection of

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the natural resources of this state. Yeah, and extensive resumes, as you can probably read in

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those articles and not only in the State of Oregon,

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which she was passionate about,

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but across the country,

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he helped with growth management issues.

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And so I just want to acknowledge his contribution

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in general, but in particular to the work

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that we do here at the Commission.

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And I think it's sort of appropriate in a way

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that we think about the kinds of topics

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we're discussing today.

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It really is a continuation of his legacy.

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We talk about housing and transportation,

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climate change and creating communities that

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to build communities that are more inclusive of

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and array of folks.

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I think that is a tribute to him.

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So I just wanted to say those things and then

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turn it over to Director Rue.

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Thank you, Chair MacArthur.

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I think I'll start actually by acknowledging

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somebody else among us who recently left us and that is Jennifer Donnelly. Jennifer died

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this last mid-spring from cancer at a very young age, far, far too soon. Many of you knew Jennifer

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as one of our two metro-region mole reps, she's appeared in front of this commission,

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probably before most of the current commissioners joined us, but she was particularly active

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in the metro-urban in rural reserves, conversation, and other conversations related to the

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Jennifer was an extraordinary person. She was an extraordinary regional rep for DLCD, but her talents and abilities went far beyond that to being a really critical member of the Hood River community for many years.

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Some of us, both present and past staff and Chairman Carthor went to her memorial service this last early summer.

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And we heard a lot about it, Jennifer, that we probably didn't even know in terms of the things that she did outside of work for her community and should be extraordinarily missed.

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So with that, I want to turn to the director's report itself.

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It's in front of you.

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I'm sure you all committed it to memorization.

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So I'm not going to go through it by line by line word by word.

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But I do want to point out a couple of things.

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And the first thing also that is actually not in your director's report

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is to introduce you to our...

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New Human Resources Manager. There you are, Taylor, Sergeant Free. This is Taylor's fourth day on the job. She keeps coming back.

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We're thrilled. She promised me this morning that she'll be here tomorrow and maybe Monday.

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As you all know, just a brief note about Katie Lehi.

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Katie, who was Taylor's predecessor, worked tirelessly for us for about three years plus,

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but I think COVID and a young family and a lot of other pressures forced her to retire

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or to to resign. She left us in the middle of May.

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Kirsten Green, our deputy, others have worked really hard.

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And it has paid off. We have this extraordinary young woman Taylor joining us this week.

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Taylor comes to us from the city of Wilsonville.

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And we're thrilled. She's going to be wonderful. She is wonderful.

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So, Taylor, do you want to say a few words about yourself?

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Thank you, Director Rue, Chair MacArthur and Vice Chair Hologa and other members of the Commission.

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I am so grateful for this opportunity to not only serve the DLCD team, but you as well.

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As Jim mentioned, I counted my most recent experience

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has been seven years with the City of Bolsonaro in HR,

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but I am so very excited to support the mission

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and the principles of this agency,

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and I'm just so very excited to be here,

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and it's wonderful to meet all of you.

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Well, Aston, see you.

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Welcome.

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I had the opportunity to talk to you a little bit

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a couple days ago in the prep meeting,

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So I don't know if any of commissioners want to say anything or have any kind of questions for

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so anyone have any questions for our new HR director.

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Seeing none, I think it's just a collective welcome. We're really pleased to have you here.

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It's a big shoes to fill, but it sounds like you're going to do that and then some so welcome.

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Thank you so much.

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Okay, moving on to the director's report itself,

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I give item A, actually that obviously the first item.

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Pucks about legislative and budget update, and we're going to hear more about that later today from Palmer and Emma.

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But what I want to do is talk a little bit about the enterprise-wide environment for budget.

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And that of course is directly related to the legislature because they're in the ones that create the budget for the buy-in.

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To say that it was extraordinary is an understatement in every possible way, as you all know, the entire session from mid-January through, I think they left on Saturday the 26th of June.

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So for five and a half months, they worked remotely and they had to figure it out and they did.

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But it was fairly tension-filled and for those people who worked more closely, like I think at Palmer,

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I think it was quite unlike anything they've ever seen.

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And part of it was related to, I think, surprises from COVID.

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The first surprise being that while this state was shut down for, and remains for the most part, shut down, for 18 months or so.

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General Fund revenues never really dipped. In fact, they remained higher than people expected or predicted.

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Which is sort of amazing given the fact that for a little while we were in double digit unemployment.

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But what that meant was that instead of having a budget shortfall there was in fact a surplus.

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I think some people are probably still trying to figure out how much of a surplus whether or not it triggers the so-called kicker.

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But there's a chance that it will.

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General fund money continuing to come in. There was also the American Recovery Act, I forgot part of that, American Recovery Protection Act, I guess, ARPA, with an enormous amount of federal money that was being pumped into state coffers across the nation in Oregon was certainly no exception.

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What that means is that during the session, in particularly in the last week of the session,

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the budget writers, in the ways in means committee, where we're spending money at a pretty amazing rate.

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Because this relates to what you're going to hear about a little bit more later, and that is our hiring practices and our budget.

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Not only did we get everything that we asked for in the governor's recommended budget, but we got some additional money.

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money that helped us refill the hole.

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So again, you remember that in September now 10 months ago,

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we took a cut that given the late stage in the biennium,

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was effectively a 30 plus percent cut

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for the remaining nine or so months of the biennium.

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That means that several people were on rotations

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We lost a couple of people and so we were not only able to hire all of those people back,

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but we got somewhere in the range of 9 or 10 new positions on top of those that we were able to fill.

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So going back to Taylor, Taylor doesn't get a day off. She doesn't even get time off until all those

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positions are filled and she's already working on it really hard, but we're going to have

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some new programs and new positions, but to talk about that hiring within the context

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of the Enterprise, there are some 1500 plus new positions across the Enterprise. So Forestry

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gets 100 new people. Water resources gets 60 new people to work on water projects and water conservation projects.

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I don't know how many new people at DQ, but they have several very large climate related programs.

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And that is true across as they say the enterprise. So there's going to be a lot of hiring going on everywhere

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where in state government and that of course these there's going to be some competition for

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us. We've been extraordinarily blessed by the quality of people that have joined us in the last

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few years. It has raised our hopes and expectations and again it's going to be Taylor's job to

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make sure that nobody gets disappointed, but there'll be a lot of new people just to set the context

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going all the way back to the Great Recession in 8 through 10.

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In our 2011 budget, the agency took a 25 to 30% reduction.

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Our employee count was somewhere in the low 50s.

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If we hire everybody soon that we're able to will be in the mid 70s and our budget will be just a little under twice what it was in the 1113 budget.

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And so we've recovered recovered well and I think that the future looks terrific.

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So any questions,

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Mr. Haley, I'd like to just mic my question as my employer as experienced just an extraordinary decline in the number of applicants for positions.

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I mean, as I tend to 15% of what we would normally receive and I'm just curious if you have any indication of whether you'll be able to fill those positions on the first round or to make require a bit more.

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marketing or I'm just curious with your confidence in filling those positions just given you're like you said the demand

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Thank you. Thank you, Commissioner Lee Lack, and the short answer is I don't know. We are the chief financial

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office for the state is still sorting through where all of that money went. We have a really good idea,

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we know what the positions are, but we have not yet in a couple of exceptions. We have

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be good to solicit applicants.

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We have job announcements out, but we haven't really had

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the opportunity yet to evaluate those.

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We're looking for that friendly three-regional reps for

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Eastern Oregon for the Midland Valley and for Metro.

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And so somebody fortunately probably Esther has put up a list of some of the people that we're looking for.

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But we're trying to fill those three regional reps off of the same announcement and it has not yet closed.

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So if it's a little early, but you're quite right.

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There's a lot of demand for work.

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It's one of the things that that we hope will mitigate that shortage, perhaps immediately in front of us, is that we're looking at work in a new way.

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We are working with Department of Administrative Services to figure out how we can continue to employ and perhaps attract new people.

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who don't necessarily even live in the state of Oregon.

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Now that's not gonna work for regional reps

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because it requires a really good working knowledge

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of parts of the state of Oregon.

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But perhaps some of our other planning positions

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or some of our other positions will come

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from a much wider net that will be able to cast

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that that goes outside of the state.

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In fact, we're going to have a couple of people.

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And we have had over the course of the last 17 months.

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A couple of people who have been working.

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Obviously, everybody's been working remotely,

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but some of those people have been working outside of Oregon.

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And here's the new hand up.

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So please.

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And we can't hear you.

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Okay, so I'll just really speak up.

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I can share Vice Chair.

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I love members of the commission.

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Director of this is Kirsten Green and deputy director and

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Esther, thank you for putting up that full list of

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Commissioner Lee that kindly you know you sort of alluded to what takes you know special marketing beyond the norm and yes to all the above.

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So we really if it's okay with commissioners all recent that the.

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The note the news release and also.

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I might catch you on LinkedIn and share with you.

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Well, my LinkedIn post, so if you're able to amplify that in any way to your networks, we're very grateful.

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It will be a competitive environment, but as Director Ruiz said, I think, you know, we feel the agency has a lot of to offer in terms of the quality of the work, the challenges, the flexibility, and of course the mission and the ability to work with you all.

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So, thanks in advance for helping us get that word out.

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The current post things do close.

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We've extended it for additional push.

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The applicants where the pool was relatively

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sound from an early look, but we just wanted to make sure

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that over summer time everyone had plenty of chance.

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So we've extended that to July 31st.

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So today I'll email everyone that passed through these

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from our website, but also share it with you on LinkedIn

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if I can find you.

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And you accept my app.

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great idea.

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Okay, I don't want to take up a lot more time because what I like about this

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most is when you all ask questions and I do want to have some conversation. I'm obviously

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not going to go through the full director's report. It's 11 pages in length and then there

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that listing at the end of the open hires. I do want to mention just very briefly one item

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that is on page 11, a pellet, a pellet, a court opinions.

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Those of you, it may not have been anybody, but Robin.

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On you, ladies.

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On you, ladies.

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Yes, thank you.

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Both of you were with us two years ago when we were in Condon.

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And we heard from the council for housing land advocates about

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some issues related to hiring in Metro.

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And you see that we have a two paragraph overview

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of a decision by the appellate court.

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Council shipsea advises us that this is not quite ready

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for prime time.

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And so we'll talk a little bit more about it

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at the September meeting.

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But you see that we do have a preliminary text on page 11. Other than that, I'm not going to bother to go through any of the rest of the report.

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I do want to just talk very briefly about the other issue that is front of mind right now,

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other than COVID-19, that of course is wildfire.

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The entire state, frankly, the entire nation at this point is suffering because of the wildfires

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in the West.

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I don't know if any of you have seen some of the photos from New York City, but we are

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clearly contributing to a serious decrease in air quality throughout the nation to

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say nothing of the direct effects here.

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Paramah Carthar actually had a fire not too far from her home in Lyle, Washington,

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unfortunately, it was was controlled early. As far as I know, the bootleg fire is now at 400,000

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to acres of growing. And there are several other fires of real concern. The sister's been

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areas seems to get hit every year. And so, however, it is you think of the divine, however you choose

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to to converse with the divine if you do it's time for some intercessions because there are a lot of people that are really struggling and really hurting.

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And part of that of course brings us back to where we were in September of last year and you will have in front of you today.

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I think is that at the end of the day-to-day, a topic that you held over from your last

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meeting, and that is DLCD's, what was he emergency rule making to respond, to land need

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for cities that were so hard to particularly in the road valley. And again, I just want to

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make mention of all of the work that Stewart did to respond to Commissioner Warren, let me be more formal to respond to the fires in his community working almost literally 24 hours a day to try to help people find food and shelter and some sense of solace.

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So it's affected us all.

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It will continue to, but in case anybody is still in doubt,

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we have a warming climate and it is having catastrophic effects.

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And so we will be talking about that a little bit more in the day as I had.

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I'm going to stop and see if anybody else has any questions.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, Director Rue, questions about anything in the report or what Dr. Rue just said.

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Don't not seeing any. I do, I just, sorry chair.

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I just have a more open end question. It might be very easy to answer.

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As we do kind of these mitigation planning around fire and hazards, et cetera, I don't know if this is even a thing.

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So I feel a little weird asking, is there like a map of these lab directors?

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Is there a map of the state that shows like areas that are susceptible to fire because of their like history of not yet having a fire in a long time or something?

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I was just curious how...

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No one thinks about the state and kind of potential for this hazard overall.

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Well, I think that's a great question to Mr. Hullova. And the short answer is yes. There are hazards maps.

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And if you would like us to, we can share that during we can do a report on that. I think it makes a ton of sense.

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There's certainly our hazard maps related to tsunami and the land slide, but a key portion of a major piece of wildfire legislation seeks to do exactly that.

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Yes, there are certainly county and more local maps.

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I would guess there's been a compilation at a state level, but it's not good enough, and the place

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obviously that people are most concerned about, is that so-called wild land urban interface.

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One of the things that this agency and this program has sought to do now for, well, 48 years since

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in 1973 is to very carefully distinguish between what are urban uses and what are rural uses

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and to try not to mix those things. But of course, there are now 56 or 7 kind of what most people would call urban uses that are outright allowed in rural ends.

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There are across this state, structures, homes that are enforced in areas, and so a big part of that wildfire legislation is to try to prevent further movement of structures and residences into forest lands in wildfire prone areas.

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And then make sure that we're doing everything we can to provide protective space around those places that are there today.

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So it's a very big conversation, particularly among natural resources agencies, certainly this agency, department of forestry and county governments across the state.

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So it's not a silly question, not really.

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Thank you. That's a great question and a commissioner sound of all you at your hand up.

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Yes, thank you. Can you hear me? Okay. Yes, sir. Okay, great. Great. So first of all,

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I'm happy to be back with you all. So I had a kind of a question and comment for the director related to

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affordable housing. So as you know, I sit on the housing stability council for the state.

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And for the Oregon Housing and Community Service as agency, we received a historic investment of almost $900 million from the state, about 600 million of that is going to be for affordable housing, about 65 millions for a home ownership.

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And in the ages, he's been doing a great job around really focusing on issues of racial equity.

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In fact, we filter almost all of our decisions around racial equity issues.

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But something that we really haven't been doing is focusing on climate change issues.

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And to me, those things go together.

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And so, I know there was talk in the past about having the state,

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the housing stability

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council meet with our commission to figure out ways where we can kind of jointly work together.

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So, for example, creating a affordable housing investments in the inner core of cities instead of just

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in the fringes and so forth. So it's kind of really linking equity, climate issues, environmental issues,

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around land use and affordable housing. And so my question is, is there still an interest in

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that director? And yeah, it's one of your thoughts on that.

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Well, thank you, Commissioner Sandevol.

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I have 10 minutes left by looking at the clock and I can talk about this for hours. So

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how try to keep it short into the point.

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But you're exactly correct.

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And when we talk tomorrow morning about

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climate-friendly and equitable communities,

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it is in...

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Our opinion that intersection where climate equity, housing costs, transportation costs, housing

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choice and affordability, transportation, choice all come together and to your point

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without being critical because we know that there is a difference in land costs within

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an urban area but I come to the city of Salem every day and there are a significant

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number of new apartment construction sites across the city. And so we're adding to the housing

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supply. But again to your point, it tends to be when we talk about affordable housing on the

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fringes of communities because lands a little bit less expensive there than it is in city courts.

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I think Commissioner Haloma has a particular interest in thinking about how to bring some affordable housing closer in.

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It certainly is the absolute center point of how we think about transportation and housing.

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And that is that if we're going to have that full choice of both, it really needs to be in the center of communities,

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where there's access to all of the things that people need for their daily lives, jobs and school or stores, as well as affordable housing and transportation options.

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To go just one point further, the state, working with Department of Housing and Community Services and NDLCD and others, building codes division and others,

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That did a pilot program two or three years ago, where we took a look at the costs of affordable housing across the state.

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And it's not used to most of you, but it costs more to build affordable housing that you can make in revenues to pay down the debt.

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There's a delta that the market cannot seem to address, and the only place to address that

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is through the programs that you've just talked about, $600 million for a public money

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to try to close that gap, and make it possible for the private sector to build some of the

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So the final point is, I would do just about anything to support your effort to get the two agencies together because, unfortunately, I agree with you, the climate issues, particularly related to transportation, cost to a household or not just housing, but housing plus transportation.

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And it doesn't do you a lot of good to have

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on the affordable apartment if you have to have a couple of cars

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and keep them fueled up with three and a half dollar gasoline.

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That's not affordability.

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So yes, yes, and yes, to all of the above,

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we'll be there with bells on.

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Thank you for the question Commissioner Sondeval and and for your and director for your

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eloquent response. I'd like to actually record that I guess this meeting is recorded

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because it's a very good description of the connection between our work and other agency work relative to

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focus. And so I think we'll talk about that more certainly on Friday morning and the context of the climate

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friendly or well-making effort. But I would agree with Commissioner Sondival as a

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sounds like you do to direct a road that maybe you and he and I can get together and

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the right staff get together and kind of think through a strategy for approaching housing

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and services as well as the commission on these topics.

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Here. Yeah, I'm sorry. Go ahead, Commissioner. Hello, I do have one additional comment

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but go ahead please.

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While you're talking director, it just made me think of two important things that can help with

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location of a formal housing issues in relation to transportation and climate, and one of them

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is kind of the role of city and county and metro owned land, which I know we had talked about

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a bill that just got passed to sort of map.

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Out, and not just them, actually, all the other agencies that only end, because a lot of that land, I think, is located within, you know, urban cores.

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And then also the role of density. I've noticed, I don't know if it's a pattern, but I feel like if notice like some affordable housing projects don't max out the density and I understand the reasons why.

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uh, financially and otherwise, but um, it's one of those kind of lost opportunity costs or

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something when you don't max out, um, an urban core density with, with housing, then you're

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sort of shifting, uh, that additional affordable housing that's needed to eventually, you know,

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the fringes. So kind of that role of, uh, density and, uh, what, what cities can play with with,

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regard to what land they owned.

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Yeah, thank you commissioner. Again, going back to the rule making that we did and continue to work on for house bills 2001 and 2003.

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And the intersect with the transportation planning role, which you'll hear about more tomorrow.

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Is this whole notion of

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removing density restrictions, removing where we can height restrictions, removing requirements for parking, so that we can, in fact, have more people, fewer cars, in more concentrated locations, particularly around heavily used transportation corridors.

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But the one additional thing I wanted to say

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and I have three minutes to do it is to remind you

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of some other interagency work that we're doing.

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In fact, last week, the four directors of DEQ

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Department of Energy, ODOT, and ourselves got together

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for our monthly meeting, and we talked about a new source

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of revenue because we need money

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and we need money soon to start building out our transportation and housing networks.

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DQ is doing a limited version of what used to be called cap and trade, but there is a new

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requirement to cap the emissions of a certain class of so-called stationary sources.

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And that those emissions are putting a price on carbon, and they're putting that price at the so-called social cost of carbon,

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which is higher than what the market is trading at these days.

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The long and the short of it is that when that rule making is done in January of December, perhaps in this year,

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And when it takes effect shortly after that, sources across the state, but particularly in metro areas,

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will be forced to buy allowances to either continue or spend that money alternatively to reduce emissions.

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But Director Whitman told us last week that they could be generating $100 million a year for allowance sales.

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And there's an opportunity, we haven't worked out the details yet, but there's an opportunity

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to perhaps put some of that money into reducing emissions from transportation and focusing

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housing and transportation at the center of cities instead of on the fringes.

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So more to come, but we're thinking I think in the right direction and I think actually making some progress.

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So thank you again.

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Thank you, Jim, and again, thanks for all the great questions from commissioners.

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It really seems like this mini day agenda item perhaps in September would be the appropriate time to kind of capture all these different funding sources and kind of think about

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the idea of a focused state and local investment to really maximise the overall goals of affordable housing, accessible transportation, climate change, equity and diversity.

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And we can start that conversation perhaps in September.

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So let's think about that as we debrief next week from.

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And if I may, I said the last one was the last one.

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This one really will be the last one.

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I would just ask you to bookmark a conversation

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that Chair MacArthur and I had this last week

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when we talk about climate-friendly and equitable

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communities tomorrow morning.

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Here and I met with the chair of the ozone, ozone transportation commission. That's going back 20 years in my life. The Oregon Transportation Commission, and Chris Rickler, the director of ODOT, the four of us met to try to figure out if there was a way to look at some transportation money to help us implement the transportation commission.

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planning rule. And the long and the short of that is we've got a commitment from both OTC,

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Chair Van Brockland and Director Strickler to try to find some money. In fact, they've already

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identified some buckets of money that may be appropriate. It's not a lot. When you look at the scale of

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the need, but they suggested to us that there is probably somewhere in the range of 50 to 80 million

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that we could begin to tap over the course of the next few years to implement some of these

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transportation options that we'll talk about tomorrow. Okay, I'm done.

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Thank you, Jim. I appreciate that. I really appreciate your efforts and the efforts of the

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entire department to kind of do all this great coordination work among other agencies. And so

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we as a commission need to make sure we support that and help continue that work. Just a

437
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I don't know, to as part of the director's report, Jim, we'll talk more about the budget

438
00:46:35,200 --> 00:46:42,760
specifics on Friday morning, but Jim gave a brief summary of what's happened with the department

439
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over the past year, and it's probably about a year ago in August that got the call from Jim

440
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that there were going to be pretty severe budget cuts at the department, and Carol Bolvat and

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00:46:54,260 --> 00:47:00,060
director and deputy director and others really turn their cells themselves inside out to make sure

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the budget work to the extent that it could given the really incredible gouge in our budget.

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And fast forward today, where director Rue is describing how much resource we have. And he attributes

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that to the increase in budget resources at the state writ large had, but I really want to reflect

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for a moment on the fact that it really comes back to the agency's great work that we've been

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doing over the past couple of years in housing, in transportation, and other things.

447
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You know, just because there's an extra part of money the legislature has a hand on and can

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00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:48,420
go out doesn't mean that money comes to agencies necessarily and in the past it hasn't come to our

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00:47:48,420 --> 00:47:54,580
agencies and it doesn't come to agencies that the legislature feels is not producing what they want.

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And I think the reason one of the reasons that we had have so much more resource now

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to carry on the great work that we've started is because of the great work of director Ru,

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deputy director, green, polymer, and Emma just amazing face with the legislature

453
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and has really told the story. And again, all the great work of the housing team,

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the all the various folks climate and everything else. So it is a moment to celebrate. So we're

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just going to do a little celebration here. Thank you. And team, it's just important. I took a while

456
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:34,560
to figure out how to tie these balloons. I haven't done it since I was seven, but you get the idea

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that I want to celebrate staff and as commission, because as I listen to the conversation,

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it excites me so much to think of how activists this commission is and how many talents you bring

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to the stable. So anyway, with that.

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Just back at you, Chair, your involvement in the work that we do and your contributions

461
00:48:58,320 --> 00:49:06,460
because of your experience in state and local government has just been absolutely central

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to anything that we've been able to achieve. And that goes for all of you, but Robin,

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00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:19,000
new and particular when it comes to transportation stuff, you've forgotten more about this stuff

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than most of us will ever know. So thank you. That is extremely kind. You're welcome. I appreciate

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that very much. So with that, let's go on and hear from a guest three members of the public

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public comment is an opportunity for folks to comment on non-agenda items. I'm going to give each

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person three minutes to speak. And the first person up is Joe Levazite. And he

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from the Portland Audubon Society. And Mr. Levazite sent written testimony.

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You may not have actually received it yet. I mean, Esther sent it this morning.

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but it's...

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There is a written testimony in there if you want to focus on that commissioners, but welcome Mr.

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Mebesite.

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Thank you, Chair, my doctor, and commission members, can you all hear me?

474
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Yes.

475
00:50:13,180 --> 00:50:13,380
Great.

476
00:50:13,820 --> 00:50:20,380
Yeah, I just sent that testimony in our actually a pre-detailed comment letter in last night's

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It'll take you a while.

478
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I'll go through that.

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00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,180
Thank you for the opportunity to provide testimony today.

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00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,860
Again, my name is Julie Mebesite and staff scientist at Portland Audubon.

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And today I'm representing several organizations and individuals that submitted rocky habitat designation proposals for eight sites to DLCD during the first round of invited public proposals this past December, which subsequently went through the pilot evaluation process this past spring.

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If you recall, myself and Dr. Larry Bash provide a testimony to you all on this issue,

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I want you to have a strategy update back in April, and today I want to give you a quick

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update regarding this process and specifically what the group I'm representing said they

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have has been up to. Since the Ocean Policy Advisory Council decision to recommend two of

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the proposals for designation and the place six of the proposals in continuing consultation

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00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:21,100
in back in May, OPEC tasked DLCD with updating the Rocky Habitat Management Strategy,

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proposal evaluation section of the strategy that's specific that section E and

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Appendix C of the Strategy, and DLCD staff have since provided a survey for organizations

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and individuals engaged in this process to complete and have set up a workshop for next week

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July 29th.

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Our group has been busy developing our own recommendation to DLCD on how to improve the

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like proposal process and evaluation based on our experiences and lessons learned from the

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initial pilot round. And we have submitted those detailed recommendations to DLCD staff.

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Yesterday as well as you all in the commission, which I just mentioned at the start, it includes

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three pieces. The first part is a flow chart that outlines our recommended proposal submission

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and evaluation process kind of at the higher level. And then corresponding with that we have a second

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Addendum to that comment which is a narrative document that contains specific details for each component of the process and finally we have an example weighted scoring matrix.

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If you recall, we are encouraging staff to use a more objective way to evaluate the proposals and one way of doing that would be using a scoring matrix.

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We hope our detailed recommendation package will be helpful to DLCD staff developing a

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00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:43,540
proposal submission evaluation process which will be much improved in the efficient

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00:52:43,540 --> 00:52:47,460
process that minimizes the subjectivity and will work well for such a different proposal

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00:52:47,460 --> 00:52:52,120
rounds. We have been invited by DLCD staff to provide an overview of our recommendations

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00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:57,400
at the upcoming July 29 workshop. We're looking forward to this opportunity and the

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subsequent interaction with DLCD staff to work cooperatively to develop an evaluation process

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that will be successful.

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So thank you for the opportunity to provide testimony

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and some important process

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to help better manage and protect our state's iconic

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coastal rocky habitats.

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And I'd be happy to answer questions if you're ready.

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Thank you.

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00:53:14,340 --> 00:53:15,020
Thank you.

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Did perfectly, thank you.

515
00:53:18,060 --> 00:53:18,720
Great job.

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00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,680
Commissioners, any questions for Mr. Leads,

517
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I'm not seeing any.

518
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:29,060
Thank you so much.

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00:53:29,140 --> 00:53:30,860
I know you testified in March as well.

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00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:33,620
And really appreciate you and your agency being involved

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00:53:33,620 --> 00:53:39,680
in this work and I understand that there is a meeting next week in the 29th of the rocky habitat

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00:53:39,680 --> 00:53:45,000
of its rules advisory committee or workshop or whatever but I believe that's a great opportunity

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00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:50,520
to go into the specifics. I saw there's several attachments to your letter and it's a lot to work

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00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:56,540
through here obviously but I think you'll be able to have a chance next week and then I believe that

525
00:53:56,540 --> 00:54:01,300
the topic is back on our agenda in September so we'll have the benefit of hearing how that meeting

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and went relative to your work and others.

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So thank you.

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Thank you.

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00:54:07,590 --> 00:54:11,030
Great, second person signed up to testify today

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00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:12,810
is Dennis Rie.

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00:54:13,030 --> 00:54:15,050
I believe I'm pronouncing your name correctly.

532
00:54:15,150 --> 00:54:18,430
If I didn't please correct me and I apologize in advance.

533
00:54:19,830 --> 00:54:21,870
Chair, Chair MacArthur, this is Esther.

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00:54:22,790 --> 00:54:27,030
I just have a message for those in our attendee view

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00:54:27,030 --> 00:54:31,070
if you could rename yourself an identifier

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00:54:31,070 --> 00:54:33,770
is I cannot locate Mr. Rae.

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00:54:33,790 --> 00:54:35,250
Oh, Rae, excuse me. Okay.

538
00:54:45,450 --> 00:54:48,870
We do have Ms. Sarah Wright with us.

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I will attempt to contact Mr. Rae behind the scenes.

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00:54:53,630 --> 00:54:55,750
Great. Thank you for that quick change.

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00:54:56,250 --> 00:54:58,230
And so Mr. Rae, we will try to get...

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00:54:58,230 --> 00:54:59,970
Esther will try to get a hold of you to make sure that you...

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We'll turn it now to Sarah Wright from the Oregon Environmental Council. Welcome.

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00:55:07,380 --> 00:55:14,520
Thank you. Good morning, Chair MacArthur and members of the Commission. I'm Sarah Wright, Transportation Program Director with Oregon Environmental Council.

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00:55:15,680 --> 00:55:22,920
We're in an extraordinary moment for leadership in land use and transportation. We're still reckoning with the human cost of the intense heat wave in June.

546
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We're facing an already grim wildfire season and unrelenting drought in the west.

547
00:55:27,760 --> 00:55:32,240
Climate change is here. It is destabilizing our daily lives in our communities and

548
00:55:32,240 --> 00:55:37,020
costing the state in time resources and lives. Either we reduce greenhouse gas emissions

549
00:55:37,020 --> 00:55:41,380
or we continue to suffer increasing impacts from climate change that will devastate vulnerable

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00:55:41,380 --> 00:55:45,960
communities for a dramatic change in our daily lives and threaten our state and local economies.

551
00:55:47,060 --> 00:55:50,440
Fortunately, the package of actions that will significantly reduce greenhouse gas emissions

552
00:55:50,440 --> 00:55:54,920
and transportation in land use is not a sacrifice. It is an investment in the stability and

553
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,880
success of our present and future economy, and it can make our communities more affordable,

554
00:55:59,240 --> 00:56:02,660
safer, healthier, and more equitable, more efficient, and more economically responsible.

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00:56:03,820 --> 00:56:07,460
Oregon Environmental Council, and more than 20 other organizations submitted a letter to the

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00:56:07,460 --> 00:56:12,200
Oregon Transportation Commission last week, asking them to make a different choice to address

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00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:17,200
the climate crisis with the clarity and urgency that our future requires. I'm here today asking you

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00:56:17,200 --> 00:56:21,760
the same thing. The land use and transportation system that we have today is not inevitable,

559
00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:27,280
It is a choice. The past choices of commissioners have brought us to where we are, and your

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00:56:27,280 --> 00:56:31,900
choice is now, we'll shape the future ahead of us. This is critically important because right

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00:56:31,900 --> 00:56:36,740
now, every day, jurisdictions and agencies across the state under the current land use and

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00:56:36,740 --> 00:56:41,300
transportation rules are making choices that will lock us into increasing greenhouse gas emissions

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00:56:41,300 --> 00:56:46,460
decades or more into the future. These choices, to avoid upzoning and closing neighborhoods,

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00:56:46,720 --> 00:56:51,100
to expand instead of adding density, to require parking, to refuse to allocate right away

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00:56:51,100 --> 00:56:53,040
for people walking, biking and taking transit,

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00:56:53,560 --> 00:56:55,120
to build interchanges and road capacity

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00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:57,360
to support more driving and more sprawl,

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00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,360
are perpetuating a pattern that has brought us

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to this moment in the climate crisis.

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00:57:01,980 --> 00:57:03,960
They're making those choices for a lot of reasons.

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Habit, fear, a version to short-term political discomfort

572
00:57:07,380 --> 00:57:09,300
and belief that real change is impossible.

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00:57:10,260 --> 00:57:12,600
Choosing a different path will require decision-makers

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and staff at all levels to completely change

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00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:16,300
their approach to the choices at hand.

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00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,640
Your role is to support, require, and persuade.

577
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,900
This agency and this commission do really good work.

578
00:57:23,120 --> 00:57:27,840
We're asking you to push further beyond the constraints of incrementalism that we can no longer afford.

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00:57:28,720 --> 00:57:31,700
We have to change everything because everything is changing regardless.

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00:57:32,660 --> 00:57:37,320
The only choice you really have when it comes down to it is to let Oregon be overtaken by change,

581
00:57:37,540 --> 00:57:41,100
which we know will be best survive by the most affluent and privileged among us,

582
00:57:41,100 --> 00:57:45,600
or to take immediate bold action to mitigate and adapt to the change so we all come through this together.

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00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:50,800
Every choice you make at this commission is about the future, that's the nature of the work.

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00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:56,320
We know what the future holds if we keep propping up the status quo system or if we settle for incremental change.

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00:57:56,980 --> 00:58:00,440
We can't wait for additional revenue or direction from above.

586
00:58:00,780 --> 00:58:03,720
We have to start now with what we have and go as big as possible.

587
00:58:04,260 --> 00:58:07,880
Please address every choice you face with the urgency that this moment costs for.

588
00:58:08,100 --> 00:58:09,600
Thank you for the opportunity to speak.

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00:58:10,660 --> 00:58:15,880
Thank you, Ms. Wright. Appreciate that. And if you haven't planned to do so, you may

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00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:19,700
want to listen in on Friday morning, Friday morning when we take up our climate

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00:58:20,400 --> 00:58:25,020
friendly and equitable communities, real-naking process, which we intend to adopt by

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00:58:25,020 --> 00:58:30,600
March. I would actually, I don't think I see a copy in our packets of the letter you sent

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00:58:30,600 --> 00:58:34,080
to the Oregon Transportation Commission. I don't know if it's the same. If it's the same,

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00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:38,120
what you just said, that's one thing. But if it's something in addition to that, perhaps

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00:58:38,120 --> 00:58:40,120
You can get that to Esther, Johnson,

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00:58:40,620 --> 00:58:44,460
Archimission, staff person, and then she can get it out

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00:58:44,460 --> 00:58:45,160
to the commissioners.

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00:58:45,260 --> 00:58:48,680
I'd like to see that letter from you from the coal coalition.

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00:58:49,740 --> 00:58:52,860
Any questions from commissioners for Ms. Wright?

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00:58:56,260 --> 00:58:57,820
Seeing none, thank you.

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00:59:00,540 --> 00:59:03,220
And I'll Esther, I'll ask Esther, maybe I had a chance

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00:59:03,220 --> 00:59:04,740
to connect with Mr. Ray.

603
00:59:05,280 --> 00:59:06,140
I have not.

604
00:59:06,140 --> 00:59:14,060
Okay, well, we will go ahead, I guess close the public comment period if there's no one

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00:59:14,060 --> 00:59:23,200
else signed up to testify and move straight into item, agenda item number four, which is

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00:59:23,200 --> 00:59:28,400
the ocean-fronting public road protection and rule-making initiative quite the mouthful, but

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we'll learn what all that means in a moment. I'm going to turn it over. I believe that Patty

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know initially to introduce the topic, and then Meg Reid is that correct letter of things.

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00:59:44,580 --> 00:59:46,740
And MacArthur, members of the Commission, this is Patty Snow,

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00:59:46,880 --> 00:59:51,460
Ocean and Coastal Services Division Manager. Please to introduce Meg Reid, she's our Coastal

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00:59:51,460 --> 00:59:58,680
Specialist, who will be providing an overview of rulemaking that we are intended to initiate.

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So, I'll have no further questions.

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01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:11,800
Thank you. Thank you, Patty. Good morning. Chair MacArthur, Vice Chair Hlova and Members of the Commission. Thank you for having me. My name is

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01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:19,360
Meg Reid and I'm the Coastal Shore Specialist in the Ocean and Coastal Services Division of DLCD. I work directly with local

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01:00:19,360 --> 01:00:26,080
governments throughout the Oregon Coast, as well as state and federal agencies on coastal processes and hazards topics,

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01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:36,080
specific to land use and specifically work under goal seven areas natural to subject natural hazards and 18 beaches and dunes.

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01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:47,160
So today I'm here to talk with you to ask for you to initiate role-making on a topic that we're calling oceanfronting public road protection, which is a mouthful.

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01:00:47,540 --> 01:00:52,240
But I will hopefully that will make more sense as we go through this presentation.

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So, just to start out, just to give an outline of what I'll be talking about, I wanted to give a little bit of a background and overview on statewide goalie team first and get into some ocean shoreline management challenges that many of you have maybe heard about over the past winter in particular.

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01:01:10,660 --> 01:01:19,800
and then talk about a focus group that we convened in 2019 around specific provisions of

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01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:26,020
Golieteen that directly led to the proposed rulemaking that we're asking you about today and then

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01:01:26,020 --> 01:01:34,360
ask for your initiation. So to start, statewide planning goal 18 is one of the four coastal goals,

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It's focused on that coastal strip, the beach and do in land form areas, and it's really meant to protect the beach environment and the development that occurs in that sort in in order for it to be appropriate development in this very dynamic area.

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01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:55,920
The Oregon coast has one of the most energetic and dynamic winter wave climates in the world.

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01:01:55,920 --> 01:02:04,040
So it is a very challenging environment, which is why it is important to have provision such as these to guide development decisions.

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So the goal has three main provisions. One is about prohibition areas.

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01:02:10,460 --> 01:02:15,980
So areas that are prohibited from development of residential, commercial and industrial structures.

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And that would be, as you could imagine, the most dynamic areas. So the beach itself.

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and then four dunes and other areas that are subject to ocean flooding and over and undercutting.

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Then there's a provision about dune grading requirements, and so that is a practice where homeowners are on the ocean front actually lower the height of the dunes that are in front of them to improve ocean views.

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When the goal was first established in the 70s, the commission actually prohibited

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01:02:48,320 --> 01:02:52,360
doing grading from occurring, but homeowners were doing it anyway.

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01:02:52,980 --> 01:02:57,500
And so the commission came back together in the 80s to come up with a set of standards

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01:02:57,500 --> 01:03:03,880
to allow doing grading to occur, to not detriment its protective abilities.

635
01:03:04,420 --> 01:03:08,700
And so there are some pretty restrictive requirements around doing grading, and there

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01:03:08,700 --> 01:03:11,240
only six student management plans on the Oregon Coast,

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01:03:11,260 --> 01:03:14,000
which are on the central and northern coasts.

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01:03:14,020 --> 01:03:16,420
Then the last main provision is about beach

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01:03:16,420 --> 01:03:18,120
for unprotective structure limitations

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01:03:18,120 --> 01:03:19,880
and beach for protective structures

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01:03:20,480 --> 01:03:23,440
or shoreline armoring are things like rip wrap

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01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,420
and sea walls that are measures that are meant to mitigate

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01:03:26,420 --> 01:03:29,940
the hazards of coastal erosion on private property.

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01:03:30,440 --> 01:03:31,900
And that's really what this rule making

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will be about and so this will be the main focus

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01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:36,860
of the rest of my talk.

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And so to get a little bit more into the specifics of that provision, it was put in place to really limit and really prohibit the amount of armoring on the Oregon coast.

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01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:56,860
So the provisions as beachfront protective structures are only allowed where development existed on January 1, 1977.

649
01:03:56,860 --> 01:04:00,320
and as defined in the goal development means houses,

650
01:04:00,860 --> 01:04:03,020
commercial, commercial and industrial buildings,

651
01:04:03,460 --> 01:04:05,780
and vacant, but improved subdivision lots,

652
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:07,700
meaning they had to have roads and utilities

653
01:04:07,700 --> 01:04:11,920
still a lot at the time. So this was sort of a grand fathering

654
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:15,680
clause that at the time the policy was written and put into place,

655
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:19,580
we were prohibiting the expansion of armoring moving forward,

656
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:22,260
but allowing this grandfathering clause for those

657
01:04:22,260 --> 01:04:25,960
and development decisions that had already been made.

658
01:04:27,120 --> 01:04:32,480
And really, there are a few main reasons to limit armory on the coast.

659
01:04:32,880 --> 01:04:34,860
It does have some negative challenges.

660
01:04:35,300 --> 01:04:39,320
So we know that one of the treasures of Oregon is the public beach

661
01:04:39,320 --> 01:04:42,080
and having access to the public beach.

662
01:04:42,260 --> 01:04:45,020
Shoreline Armoring fixes the shoreline in place.

663
01:04:45,500 --> 01:04:50,140
And so that can prevent beach access north to south over time.

664
01:04:50,140 --> 01:04:53,960
as you have water levels rising and the shoreline is staying in place

665
01:04:53,960 --> 01:04:59,960
then you're narrowing the public beach. It also traps sediment behind it. So there's a

666
01:05:00,000 --> 01:05:07,080
Natural cycle of sediment being eroded and then it created over time in our systems along the beach.

667
01:05:08,020 --> 01:05:14,300
And the sea walls and rocks can limit the amount of sediment that's getting into the system.

668
01:05:14,980 --> 01:05:21,740
And there also have some aesthetic challenges people don't really like the way they look on the beach and disrupting the natural system.

669
01:05:22,600 --> 01:05:27,200
And they're disrupting that linkage between the coastal environment and the upland environment.

670
01:05:29,470 --> 01:05:43,390
So this policy kind of breaks down lots into the eligible areas, those that were developed as a 77 and the in eligible areas, those were developed after that point.

671
01:05:43,610 --> 01:05:51,770
And our department led an effort to inventory the entire coast of areas that are eligible and areas that are not eligible.

672
01:05:51,770 --> 01:05:57,230
And that is publicly accessible information that is on our coastal Atlas, and it's called Ocean

673
01:05:57,230 --> 01:05:57,930
Shores Viewer.

674
01:05:58,050 --> 01:06:04,110
You can see a screenshot here, and the green tax slots are eligible, and the red top

675
01:06:04,110 --> 01:06:05,710
tax slots are in-eligible.

676
01:06:06,530 --> 01:06:11,270
There's also some other hazard layers that can be viewed at the same time on the viewer to

677
01:06:11,270 --> 01:06:17,170
help people look at this information with some other types of data like flood maps, and

678
01:06:17,170 --> 01:06:19,070
the tsunami in addition zones.

679
01:06:19,070 --> 01:06:27,650
It's important to note that this inventory has not been officially adopted by any local jurisdictions yet, although they have the option.

680
01:06:29,590 --> 01:06:36,190
The permits for showing protective structures, because they usually end up being on the public beach in some way,

681
01:06:36,870 --> 01:06:42,690
actually have to be permitted through Oregon Parks and Recreation Department, because they have authority over the ocean shore.

682
01:06:42,690 --> 01:06:55,010
But they have a land use compatibility statement on their permits which is signed by the local jurisdiction and they're the ones who ultimately make that determination of eligibility on that land use compatibility statement.

683
01:06:55,790 --> 01:07:02,870
But they do rely pretty heavily on this inventory, at least at first, for their eligibility determinations.

684
01:07:04,070 --> 01:07:11,030
Now, some things have come up in the practice of this provision by practitioners in the field

685
01:07:11,030 --> 01:07:17,890
over time. And so this circle around the inventory is one of them, which is areas that are

686
01:07:17,890 --> 01:07:22,810
ineligible surrounded by areas that are eligible, can sometimes cause some problems.

687
01:07:23,890 --> 01:07:28,690
Shoreline Armoring is most effective when it can be done in a straight, continuous line.

688
01:07:28,690 --> 01:07:34,890
So when you have sort of edge effects that can increase localized scour at those areas

689
01:07:34,890 --> 01:07:40,290
and lower the beach and continue to exacerbate the erosion problem for those areas that

690
01:07:40,290 --> 01:07:46,790
are ineligible. So that can be problematic in the practice of this on the ground.

691
01:07:49,040 --> 01:07:49,300
I wanted

692
01:07:49,300 --> 01:07:53,760
to talk a little bit broadly, so okay we have this provision. What does that mean on the ground?

693
01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:59,760
How has it impacted our coastal environment since that policy was put into place in

694
01:07:59,760 --> 01:08:07,520
1777. So I have some statistics about drawing an armoring on the organ coast. So first we have about

695
01:08:07,520 --> 01:08:14,980
22.7 miles of our coastline is currently armored, which is about 6% of the overall coastline

696
01:08:14,980 --> 01:08:20,960
and that is pretty low compared to many other coastal states such as California or Massachusetts,

697
01:08:21,280 --> 01:08:26,700
which have a lot more armoring. This graphic that you see on the right hand side that shows

698
01:08:26,700 --> 01:08:35,900
the center points of all existing structures by county, and you can see they're really cluster in Lincoln till and look into some extent

699
01:08:35,900 --> 01:08:47,620
flats of counties. And that's not very surprising. So 90s, 2% of the armoring is located in those counties. And that's because they're the most highly developed on the coast compared to our southern counties

700
01:08:47,620 --> 01:08:54,180
of Pooze and Curry and Lane and Douglas on the coastal sections. Especially in those areas,

701
01:08:54,280 --> 01:08:59,240
there is a lot of public land on the oceanfront, so areas that just can't be developed anyway.

702
01:09:00,360 --> 01:09:04,720
So it's really where people are that the armoring tends to occur.

703
01:09:06,020 --> 01:09:11,540
The good news is that 84% of the coast is not eligible for armoring under current policies,

704
01:09:11,620 --> 01:09:15,820
so that's also a pretty big chunk of the coastline that just will never be able to be armored

705
01:09:15,820 --> 01:09:21,840
if our current policy is stay in place, but there is still a lot of potential for

706
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:27,600
armory, so eligible and unarmored lots account for about 42 miles of the coastline,

707
01:09:28,220 --> 01:09:32,680
so that would significantly increase the amount of armory on our shoreline if all of

708
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:35,040
those lots were to become armored over time.

709
01:09:37,380 --> 01:09:39,640
So I didn't mention one of the challenges that we

710
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:45,740
have with this policy, those ineligible versus eligible parcels being close in close proximity to

711
01:09:45,740 --> 01:09:50,700
other and there's certainly are some other challenges that we have seen as well and this is

712
01:09:50,700 --> 01:09:56,880
particularly challenging as we continue to feel the impacts of sea level rise and climate change,

713
01:09:57,340 --> 01:09:59,420
where we have higher total water levels.

714
01:10:00,000 --> 01:10:07,280
Water reaching the back of the beach more often causing more erosion and more flooding, mostly in the

715
01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:14,600
estuary and areas, but on the outer coast erosion is the bigger issue. And we see that narrowing

716
01:10:14,600 --> 01:10:20,900
of the public beach, as I mentioned before, and areas that are just experiencing more erosion

717
01:10:20,900 --> 01:10:26,200
problems at higher levels. And this one of those reasons is because we expect to have more

718
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:32,940
Minio events with climate change and El Niño's tend to have pretty erosive qualities on on the

719
01:10:32,940 --> 01:10:38,980
Oregon coast. So I wanted to mention just a few of those and then get more into the rule-making

720
01:10:38,980 --> 01:10:44,380
because that is one area in which we can address some of the problems that are happening.

721
01:10:46,240 --> 01:10:52,340
So one of the main challenges is what to do about ineligible homes. So those areas that were developed

722
01:10:52,340 --> 01:10:59,280
after 1977, but are still experiencing high levels of erosion. So this photograph many of you may

723
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:06,260
have seen already it was an Oregonian article earlier this winter. This is Lincoln Beach in

724
01:11:06,260 --> 01:11:12,340
Lincoln County, in this particular home was built after the 1977 development date and is experiencing

725
01:11:12,340 --> 01:11:19,380
very severe erosion. There's four lots in this particular area that are all not eligible for the same

726
01:11:19,380 --> 01:11:26,160
reasons, and they are currently seeking, as Commissioner Jacobson probably knows, a goal exception

727
01:11:26,160 --> 01:11:32,080
to goalie team, shoreline armoring provision right now through the comprehensive plan process

728
01:11:32,080 --> 01:11:37,560
and the local government exception process. So that's one option, but that would of course

729
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:45,900
result in more armoring if these properties are approved for goal exception. So what other options

730
01:11:45,900 --> 01:11:53,680
do they have and what responsibility does or agency or others have for these private properties

731
01:11:53,680 --> 01:12:00,220
and what to do about them. One option that's not very popular right now is a FEMA buyout option

732
01:12:00,220 --> 01:12:06,020
where and it's a voluntary program. So if homeowner would have to voluntarily agree to give up

733
01:12:06,020 --> 01:12:12,280
their property, FEMA can pay for 75% of the market value and then that structure is removed to

734
01:12:12,280 --> 01:12:19,820
man told and the lot is put back to open space. This can be a good option but most communities

735
01:12:19,820 --> 01:12:25,260
don't want to go there because it is voluntary and most people don't want to go through that.

736
01:12:26,300 --> 01:12:33,600
And the other is that it's a reimbursement program and so the local government has to pay the money

737
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:40,660
upfront and then they get reimbursed and the process can take a very long time one to five years

738
01:12:40,660 --> 01:12:42,120
to go through completion.

739
01:12:42,640 --> 01:12:44,640
And so it can be a very challenging option.

740
01:12:45,600 --> 01:12:47,960
There is a tactic called managed retreat,

741
01:12:48,160 --> 01:12:50,080
which may be some of you have heard before,

742
01:12:50,200 --> 01:12:53,360
which is they planned retreat from the coastline.

743
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:56,580
There have been a few examples around the country

744
01:12:56,580 --> 01:12:57,640
and around the world.

745
01:12:57,920 --> 01:13:01,820
But again, it's not always a very popular idea,

746
01:13:02,040 --> 01:13:05,120
but if you don't plan for managed retreat,

747
01:13:05,120 --> 01:13:07,600
you may have unmanaged retreat.

748
01:13:08,020 --> 01:13:10,260
And so it is a very important tactic

749
01:13:10,260 --> 01:13:17,540
that we want to continue to explore and perhaps might need policy and funding changes to occur.

750
01:13:19,440 --> 01:13:25,500
One thing that we are doing right now is creating a sea level rise planning guide that's targeted

751
01:13:25,500 --> 01:13:32,340
to coastal land use planners. Myself and Chris Shirley are working on this effort with others at

752
01:13:32,340 --> 01:13:38,620
DLCD and local governments. And we anticipate this being the first of an upcoming resilience series

753
01:13:38,620 --> 01:13:45,000
to provide resources to our coastal land use planners on how they can address the impacts of

754
01:13:45,000 --> 01:13:52,060
not only climate change, but also catastrophic hazards such as the capacity of subduction zone

755
01:13:52,060 --> 01:13:58,200
earthquake and tsunami. So the planning guide we're working on it now, we are developing a

756
01:13:58,200 --> 01:14:03,380
silverized study area. So areas that our local governments can expect to be impacted by sea level

757
01:14:03,380 --> 01:14:06,440
and then provide a process to walk through.

758
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:09,480
What are the assets and people that are in those areas?

759
01:14:09,780 --> 01:14:14,300
How exposed and sensitive are they to the impacts of civil rights?

760
01:14:14,720 --> 01:14:18,600
And then provide a catalog of adaptation strategies that they might consider

761
01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:22,160
to try to adapt to those impacts moving forward?

762
01:14:22,760 --> 01:14:26,160
We hope to have an initial draft to our local government partners

763
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:30,500
by October of this year and then collecting together a feedback

764
01:14:30,500 --> 01:14:34,660
from it to see how we can revise and improve this guide as needed.

765
01:14:36,240 --> 01:14:41,040
There are many resources out there, but they're all sort of tailored to the different environments

766
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:46,120
of those areas, and the Oregon Coast will experience the rise in a different way that some of

767
01:14:46,120 --> 01:14:51,520
our other coastal states. So it is important to be able to create this tailored resource to not only

768
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:56,780
our specific coastal environment, but also our regulatory framework that exists now.

769
01:14:58,420 --> 01:14:59,920
So that's what we're hoping.

770
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:10,300
To do and and doing as we speak, then I'll turn to a little bit of what we've done just recently to move us forward through the rulemaking process.

771
01:15:11,060 --> 01:15:17,600
So in 2019 we convened a group that we called the goal 18 pre 1977 development focus group.

772
01:15:17,620 --> 01:15:26,660
It was a group of stakeholders that we brought together with a purpose of exploring the equity and consistency of the shoreline armoring provision and that

773
01:15:26,660 --> 01:15:35,140
date limitation on on the goal about January 1, 1977. And these were to address some of these issues

774
01:15:35,140 --> 01:15:40,880
that have come up in practice by people who are implementing this on the ground. We discussed

775
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:45,360
four main concepts, and I won't talk about all of them, but one of them is relevant here,

776
01:15:45,480 --> 01:15:51,000
because it directly led to the rulemaking initiation that we're here for today. And that's about

777
01:15:51,000 --> 01:15:57,640
public infrastructure and facilities built prior to 1977 and in particular Highway 101.

778
01:15:58,720 --> 01:16:03,660
And that's because, as the goal is currently written, public infrastructure is not eligible

779
01:16:03,660 --> 01:16:07,460
for shoreline armoring regardless of development date.

780
01:16:07,860 --> 01:16:16,140
So that means roads, sewer and water lines, campgrounds, parks, lighthouses, and things

781
01:16:16,140 --> 01:16:17,060
of that nature.

782
01:16:17,060 --> 01:16:36,560
So the group convened to think about this is this something that should be included in the definition of development are these areas, especially those that were developed before 1977 should they be allowed to armor as a mitigation tactic or do they have to do something else.

783
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:43,440
And so, after deliberation and discussion on this topic, the group did decide to recommend to move forward with this idea.

784
01:16:44,220 --> 01:16:49,660
We discussed many options for tackling this through policy, one of which was a goal 18 amendment.

785
01:16:50,460 --> 01:17:00,660
This has been tried before specific to Highway 101, which was built in the 1960s, so well before the 1977 cut-off date.

786
01:17:00,660 --> 01:17:07,220
with an in collaboration with ODOT. There wasn't a amendment to try to include Highway 101 in

787
01:17:07,220 --> 01:17:13,700
goal 18 as eligible for armoring, but it ultimately failed when it first came to LCDC because of

788
01:17:13,700 --> 01:17:20,860
public opposition. So we could try a goal amendment, but I rule making effort to create a specific

789
01:17:20,860 --> 01:17:27,340
reasons exception through the goal to exception process was decided as a compromised approach.

790
01:17:27,340 --> 01:17:33,720
something that would be potentially more streamlined for us to approach through rulemaking,

791
01:17:34,660 --> 01:17:40,680
while it doesn't guarantee an outcome for entities such as ODOT, for getting armoring,

792
01:17:40,940 --> 01:17:45,280
and at least provides a more direct pathway to get a local goal exception.

793
01:17:46,200 --> 01:17:52,320
And then the local government can ultimately be the deciding factor of whether that stretch of highway

794
01:17:52,320 --> 01:17:56,140
or road then can become eligible for armoring.

795
01:17:58,480 --> 01:18:05,040
I wanted to ask if you could repeat the statement you said, I was trying to catch you when you said it.

796
01:18:05,360 --> 01:18:09,400
You said we decided to, and it was a long statement, and I missed.

797
01:18:09,420 --> 01:18:14,160
Oh, sorry. Yeah. I think was it about not going through a goal amendment?

798
01:18:15,220 --> 01:18:16,280
Yes. Okay.

799
01:18:16,280 --> 01:18:43,300
Yes, so the group considered multiple policy options, the goal amendment was ultimately decided not to go through because doing a goal amendment is along process and can sometimes result in an outcome that is different from what you want in the first place and we did try to do that in 2002 in collaboration with ODOT and the process ultimately failed.

800
01:18:43,300 --> 01:18:53,360
because of public opposition to adding Highway 101 to the definition of development for areas that are eligible for shoreline armoring.

801
01:18:54,620 --> 01:18:58,720
And so I think after that you said so we decided to do what around.

802
01:18:58,720 --> 01:19:10,780
Oh, create a specific goal exception through the goal to exception process to create a area that says.

803
01:19:10,780 --> 01:19:17,800
public roads that are ocean-fronting would be eligible for shoreline armoring, but a local

804
01:19:17,800 --> 01:19:22,760
governmental exception would still need to be taken in order to get to that point.

805
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:26,800
And I will go into that a little bit more detail to you, hopefully.

806
01:19:27,540 --> 01:19:28,940
Yeah, that will make sense.

807
01:19:29,880 --> 01:19:35,580
We did take this to policy team after the group concluded in 2019 and it was approved

808
01:19:35,580 --> 01:19:36,500
for role-making.

809
01:19:36,500 --> 01:19:42,500
and so there were a few other rulemaking as you all know rulemaking has been pretty busy at DLCD

810
01:19:42,500 --> 01:19:46,440
and so this is the point at which we hope to bring this one to you.

811
01:19:49,460 --> 01:19:51,000
So this ocean-fronting

812
01:19:51,000 --> 01:19:57,740
public road protection is really it's mostly about highway 101 but there also can be other public roads

813
01:19:57,740 --> 01:19:59,980
that are ocean-fronting that might be counted.

814
01:20:00,940 --> 01:20:10,640
And if they were developed before 1977, they would be included in this specific reasons exception that we're looking to move forward.

815
01:20:11,660 --> 01:20:20,920
There are some sections of Highway 101 that you can imagine are very much on the ocean and very prone to erosion or flooding and landslides.

816
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:28,500
This is an area that is particularly dynamic in it's just north of Newport, that's called

817
01:20:28,500 --> 01:20:34,740
Mulak Beach, and that really beach state park is just nearby, it has an active landslide

818
01:20:34,740 --> 01:20:40,400
on the landward side and active coastal erosion happening from the seward side, so it is

819
01:20:40,400 --> 01:20:47,320
a very challenging area, and Oda has done many different studies to see what kinds of approaches

820
01:20:47,320 --> 01:20:53,520
might work to help mitigate at least the erosion side of things and because of the steepness

821
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:58,580
of the beach and the high bluffs, something like rip wrap or shoreline armory of some sort

822
01:20:58,580 --> 01:21:03,820
would be the best approach for them so they don't go too far out into the public beach with

823
01:21:03,820 --> 01:21:10,180
other types of solutions. There are times in which the solution could be to reroute the road

824
01:21:10,180 --> 01:21:18,800
completely. But in some cases that could be going into landslide terrain, the coastal hills

825
01:21:18,800 --> 01:21:26,920
and coast range can be challenging to work in as well and zone forest land and other challenges

826
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:33,620
with re-rooting the road. They have been doing some studies when they tried to do the goal

827
01:21:33,620 --> 01:21:41,280
amendment attempt in 2002, they estimated about 20 miles of of Highway 101 would be prone to erosion

828
01:21:41,280 --> 01:21:46,360
and might want to move forward with shoreline protection. They're in the process of doing

829
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:52,260
more specific studies right now to really drill down to which areas are the most susceptible

830
01:21:52,260 --> 01:21:59,080
and how much of the coastline would that really be. And so I anticipated it would be less than 20 miles

831
01:21:59,080 --> 01:22:01,240
and potentially much less than 20 lines.

832
01:22:02,700 --> 01:22:05,020
They're doing that now and we hope to have the final results

833
01:22:05,020 --> 01:22:06,740
and the end of this year.

834
01:22:08,770 --> 01:22:13,430
So the concept, which we're asking you to initiate now

835
01:22:13,430 --> 01:22:16,470
and hope would be effective in March of 2022,

836
01:22:17,310 --> 01:22:22,410
is to create a specific reasons exception in the OIRs

837
01:22:22,410 --> 01:22:25,230
for the goal to exception process for public roads

838
01:22:25,230 --> 01:22:28,670
constructed prior to January 1, 1977.

839
01:22:29,890 --> 01:22:47,850
We're the language, of course, will be ironed out with a rule advisory committee, but one of the things that we want to be cognizant of is roads that are truly part of a transportation network and not say dead ends at the end of that just go and dead end at the ocean front.

840
01:22:47,850 --> 01:22:53,910
not trying to protect those areas with more armoring. It's really about areas that are

841
01:22:53,910 --> 01:22:58,070
parallel to the ocean shore and are used for transportation purposes.

842
01:22:59,130 --> 01:23:03,390
So the outcome of having this reasons exception would be specific guidance to local

843
01:23:03,390 --> 01:23:09,530
governments for these specific facilities. The exceptions would ultimately be adopted into a local

844
01:23:09,530 --> 01:23:16,330
comprehensive plan if the local government decided that the reasons were compelling enough for this.

845
01:23:16,330 --> 01:23:19,950
And if you utilize it will result in more shoreline

846
01:23:19,950 --> 01:23:23,210
armoring in discrete areas for transportation protection.

847
01:23:23,630 --> 01:23:28,410
So it is a trade-off to protect the highway 101

848
01:23:28,410 --> 01:23:31,190
and other types of important facilities,

849
01:23:31,330 --> 01:23:35,490
highway facilities, or protecting the public beach.

850
01:23:35,630 --> 01:23:37,970
So there is a balancing to be made to be had

851
01:23:37,970 --> 01:23:41,610
and this specific reasons exception if it is used

852
01:23:41,610 --> 01:23:44,370
will result in more armoring than we currently allow.

853
01:23:47,040 --> 01:23:50,920
So we would like to have a rules advisory committee to help guide this work.

854
01:23:52,060 --> 01:23:56,320
This would be people who live work or have an interest in the Oregon coast and the

855
01:23:56,320 --> 01:24:00,080
priority interests that we have identified are here in the screen and I won't go through

856
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:00,720
them all.

857
01:24:01,180 --> 01:24:05,960
They're also in the staff report and we're doing an open record recruitment right now with

858
01:24:05,960 --> 01:24:07,980
an application on DLCD's website.

859
01:24:08,380 --> 01:24:14,640
We've had about 10 applications come in so far and the application deadline is the end of July

860
01:24:14,640 --> 01:24:23,540
so next week. We hope to have people who are intersecting with this transportation and

861
01:24:23,540 --> 01:24:29,460
armoring topics such as coastal recreation, public transportation, environmental groups,

862
01:24:29,520 --> 01:24:37,480
and so on. So this is something if you have any ideas or interests that you'd like to see added,

863
01:24:37,620 --> 01:24:42,740
please let me know or if you have context in any of these areas who could be good representatives,

864
01:24:42,740 --> 01:24:45,560
that would be great to know as well.

865
01:24:46,560 --> 01:24:48,500
So just to give you an overview of the timeline,

866
01:24:49,180 --> 01:24:50,820
we're proposing to start

867
01:24:51,580 --> 01:24:54,040
rulemaking here in July and have the

868
01:24:54,040 --> 01:24:56,540
rack recruitment then have the

869
01:24:56,540 --> 01:24:58,660
rack meetings in the fall

870
01:24:58,660 --> 01:24:59,880
and development of

871
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:20,460
Finalization of that rule language. Then come back to LCDC for the first public hearing in January of 2022. Have a geographic hearing somewhere on the coast in February of 2022. And then come back to LCDC for adoption and the rule to become effective in March of 2022. So there's our proposed timeline.

872
01:25:20,460 --> 01:25:21,360
So

873
01:25:23,890 --> 01:25:32,230
I think that's it for me, but I'm happy to take questions about this item and then ask for you to

874
01:25:32,230 --> 01:25:39,590
initiate the role-making. Thank you. Thank you. That was just really an excellent presentation and I

875
01:25:39,590 --> 01:25:46,990
very much appreciate it. I'm sure my fellow commissioners do as well. To summarize, I think what you

876
01:25:46,990 --> 01:25:52,690
the broad description of the problem, which was really helpful, but that summarized kind of what

877
01:25:52,690 --> 01:26:01,550
is before the commission today. Staff is asking for us to initiate role-making to allow for

878
01:26:01,550 --> 01:26:10,690
an exception process for public roads that were in place built before 1977. So it's not. We're not

879
01:26:10,690 --> 01:26:14,290
focusing today. You can certainly ask questions about private property and that sort of thing

880
01:26:14,290 --> 01:26:20,390
that's appropriate, but in terms of what we are intending to do today, what we're being asked to do

881
01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:27,730
is to consider initiating real-making for that specific area of exception process. So with that,

882
01:26:27,870 --> 01:26:33,290
I'd like to move up to questions, and I'm sure there is somebody that wants to speak, but I might

883
01:26:33,290 --> 01:26:37,130
just turn to Commissioner Jacobson. Initially, I think you're want to be able to have your hands up,

884
01:26:37,130 --> 01:26:41,130
but being a person that lives and works on the coast,

885
01:26:42,210 --> 01:26:44,910
please, let us know what your thoughts are.

886
01:26:45,370 --> 01:26:46,370
Yeah, thank you.

887
01:26:46,370 --> 01:26:48,550
I have a whole bunch of little sticky notes here

888
01:26:48,550 --> 01:26:50,670
with comments to say, but I first wanted to say,

889
01:26:51,510 --> 01:26:55,170
I'm just so glad there's a bit of sarcasm there

890
01:26:55,170 --> 01:26:58,970
that my county could provide you with such excellent example

891
01:26:58,970 --> 01:27:01,250
photos to be used in your presentation.

892
01:27:01,890 --> 01:27:04,090
So I, you're welcome.

893
01:27:05,590 --> 01:27:12,090
Yes, lots of issues, those same issues that we're dealing with as well.

894
01:27:13,570 --> 01:27:19,410
I'm interested in note that this isn't really a big issue for the coast, not just in Lincoln County, but in other places as well.

895
01:27:20,130 --> 01:27:26,830
And it's going to be bigger and bigger, just like wildfires and the more sea level rise we have means more shoreline erosion.

896
01:27:27,850 --> 01:27:31,370
You know, I just want to make a note especially when we talk about roads.

897
01:27:31,370 --> 01:27:38,550
Some of these things, you know, there's kind of signs that you have that Schwerlin's going to go.

898
01:27:39,410 --> 01:27:41,270
And other times, there's not.

899
01:27:42,850 --> 01:27:48,370
You know, we have had situations here and we can count anywhere we have Schwerlin erosion happen.

900
01:27:49,650 --> 01:27:56,590
Schwerlin erosion slash the landslide at some point it kind of becomes difficult to know what exactly is happening there.

901
01:27:56,590 --> 01:28:03,590
But we've had that happen with cars actively and transit and cars ending up on the beach and down in the slide.

902
01:28:04,630 --> 01:28:09,790
So a lot of times there isn't, you know, necessarily a huge warning that this is going to happen.

903
01:28:10,470 --> 01:28:16,690
About 15 years ago, we had a huge slide going over Cape Fau, whether with several cars involved.

904
01:28:17,190 --> 01:28:23,150
And so there is a safety issue component, you know, to this discussion as well.

905
01:28:24,490 --> 01:28:33,870
You know, I generally not fan of shoreline armoring because it just creates issues in another spot.

906
01:28:34,870 --> 01:28:42,670
But I do feel like we should least include the conversations and roads in our discussions around armoring.

907
01:28:43,230 --> 01:28:46,490
Because again, like I said, there is sort of a safety component there.

908
01:28:46,490 --> 01:28:53,430
There's also not been a discussion at this data federal level about providing the resources to

909
01:28:53,430 --> 01:28:56,510
really rebuild all of this infrastructure somewhere else.

910
01:28:56,690 --> 01:29:01,650
So with the lack of that not being on the table, you sort of have to address the facts that

911
01:29:01,650 --> 01:29:09,130
large sections of 101 have been and are going to continue to keep sliding out on us.

912
01:29:09,130 --> 01:29:16,210
on the new Lack Beach photo, is a really nice example, that road has been rebuilt and I'm sure

913
01:29:16,210 --> 01:29:21,490
all of you are smart enough to imagine what might happen here. Next 10 years with the new section

914
01:29:21,490 --> 01:29:28,110
of road, that was built. It's probably going to go as well. And in fact, when you drive over it,

915
01:29:28,230 --> 01:29:34,310
you can see the old section of road laying right next to it. That has gone and that's probably

916
01:29:34,310 --> 01:29:36,450
the fate of the new ones.

917
01:29:37,950 --> 01:29:40,450
So, you know, a lot of these issues are just going to be continuing

918
01:29:40,450 --> 01:29:46,370
in that 101 corridor, you know, to your point that we want to protect certain

919
01:29:46,370 --> 01:29:51,330
roads, but not roads that kind of don't go anywhere, or that just kind of dead

920
01:29:51,330 --> 01:29:51,970
in.

921
01:29:52,470 --> 01:29:56,750
That 101 infrastructure is really critical to the coast.

922
01:29:57,630 --> 01:29:59,570
You know, there's a lot of communities where that that's

923
01:29:59,570 --> 01:29:59,830
Really?

924
01:30:00,180 --> 01:30:10,100
Way of connection between up and down the county is one, one, one, one, there isn't consistent back roads or something that go from one community to the other.

925
01:30:11,420 --> 01:30:22,300
So, just the point that I think it's important to include that those roads and our discussions, even though I'm generally not a fan of armoring, so I realize that needs more armoring might happen.

926
01:30:22,300 --> 01:30:28,940
I still think that we have to at least include that when we talk about on armoring.

927
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:30,160
Thanks.

928
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:31,980
Thank you.

929
01:30:32,700 --> 01:30:34,120
Commissioner Lee Lack.

930
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:37,780
Thank you, Chair MacArthur.

931
01:30:39,080 --> 01:30:39,920
A couple of comments.

932
01:30:40,680 --> 01:30:43,280
First, make your presentations are always just exceptional.

933
01:30:43,720 --> 01:30:44,440
They're so good.

934
01:30:44,540 --> 01:30:45,040
They're so clear.

935
01:30:45,520 --> 01:30:47,040
And I so appreciate the background.

936
01:30:47,640 --> 01:30:49,160
And I've heard you present many, many times.

937
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:52,120
And this was excellent again as well.

938
01:30:52,120 --> 01:30:57,820
I also really appreciate including the pre-97 development focus group that that report and not

939
01:30:57,820 --> 01:31:03,040
studied to provide context, which is something I haven't had a lot of familiarity with.

940
01:31:03,580 --> 01:31:08,820
I'm probably going to have just kind of three quick questions. One is I saw the list of the interests

941
01:31:08,820 --> 01:31:15,060
on the rack and our tribes also included or targeted or invited to, I just didn't see tribes listed

942
01:31:15,060 --> 01:31:19,720
specifically. That's, I'll just get all, I'll ask all three of my questions. That's my first question.

943
01:31:19,720 --> 01:31:28,420
And my second question, reading the staff report and you mentioned there's about 20 miles that may be eligible and maybe it's a bit less than that.

944
01:31:28,660 --> 01:31:34,320
And then you also mentioned that there's up to 42 miles that are eligible under the 42 miles.

945
01:31:34,660 --> 01:31:39,320
Are these 20 miles included in the 42 or are they in addition to the 42?

946
01:31:39,540 --> 01:31:40,640
I'm just curious.

947
01:31:41,440 --> 01:31:48,220
And then my third and last question is just not my familiarity with our commission conducting geographic hearings.

948
01:31:48,220 --> 01:31:59,980
is that just one commissioner or is that the full commission I'm just curious. So thank you very much great job again, and I guess my last comment I just have to say this. I really like the exception process.

949
01:32:00,640 --> 01:32:11,220
Because it's a very high bar, it's very specific. There's an opportunity for public input. So that's coming from my planning background. I think it's the right approach. Thank you.

950
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:18,140
Thank you, Commissioner Narelli, like. Yes, great questions. The tribes were all sent to

951
01:32:18,140 --> 01:32:23,660
letter asking if they wanted to do consultation on this role-making. I think we sent those

952
01:32:23,660 --> 01:32:29,640
in March or April. As far as I know, we have not heard back from any of them to do a more

953
01:32:29,640 --> 01:32:38,880
specific consultation. We have not necessarily reached out in the rural advisory committee capacity.

954
01:32:38,880 --> 01:32:45,280
I know in the past they have not wanted to necessarily be a part of that, but sometimes staff

955
01:32:45,280 --> 01:32:50,420
working for the tribes might be interested in coming on that level. So that's something that we could

956
01:32:51,400 --> 01:32:54,860
potentially try as another avenue for engagement.

957
01:32:57,040 --> 01:32:59,260
The mileage question, yes, that's a great question.

958
01:32:59,440 --> 01:33:05,240
So the 42 miles they mentioned that still eligible and not armored is just for private property

959
01:33:05,240 --> 01:33:12,340
under the current rule. So the 20 miles for Highway 101 would be additional to that so 62 miles,

960
01:33:12,340 --> 01:33:21,340
potentially of feature armoring. So not insignificant, but also not a huge amount as well.

961
01:33:22,540 --> 01:33:26,680
And the geographic hearing, yes, I believe that's a requirement for the coastal goals.

962
01:33:27,860 --> 01:33:35,900
specifically, I could be wrong on that, but from what I understand is the LCDC, the commission

963
01:33:35,900 --> 01:33:41,180
does not need to be at that hearing. There's a hearings officer, usually a coastal staff member,

964
01:33:41,340 --> 01:33:46,300
who would be there in the room to accept comment on that rulemaking, and then we would provide

965
01:33:46,300 --> 01:33:47,760
that back to the commission.

966
01:33:50,760 --> 01:33:56,300
Thank you. Great. Thank you. Commissioner Warren.

967
01:34:00,040 --> 01:34:04,640
Yeah, thank you for the wonderful presentation and definitely an important topic.

968
01:34:05,720 --> 01:34:13,960
I'm definitely one of those people who doesn't like armoring, but also sees that it's probably necessary at this point in time instead of just moving full communities.

969
01:34:15,900 --> 01:34:20,040
So my question is really more around a few of the basics.

970
01:34:20,740 --> 01:34:28,140
So the first one is why only look at infrastructure that was built before 1977 when there's plenty of infrastructure, I'm sure that

971
01:34:28,140 --> 01:34:34,200
is built after that date and then the other one is how effective is

972
01:34:34,200 --> 01:34:37,180
armering against tsunamis because if we're looking at you know major roadways

973
01:34:37,700 --> 01:34:44,000
which are the primary evacuation routes for a lot of these communities does the

974
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:49,480
armory and actually help to protect those roadways? Thank you.

975
01:34:52,780 --> 01:34:53,840
Thank you Commissioner

976
01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:59,960
on me one first. So it is not.

977
01:35:01,830 --> 01:35:12,210
Effective, in mitigating against tsunami hazards. In fact, when we've looked at what happened in 2011 in Japan, when they

978
01:35:12,210 --> 01:35:20,980
experienced their major earthquake in tsunami, which we expect would be a similar situation to what we can expect here, that such things as

979
01:35:20,980 --> 01:35:25,220
rip wrap rocks or sea walls and things like that they could actually have the potential to become

980
01:35:25,220 --> 01:35:32,240
projectiles in a tsunami situation because the hydrologic forces are just so powerful so they

981
01:35:32,240 --> 01:35:39,240
can just lift them up and bring them in the water and they can run into other things. And so that

982
01:35:39,240 --> 01:35:47,100
generally there's not very much that can mitigate against tsunami hazards other than building above

983
01:35:47,100 --> 01:35:53,040
level and having very strong engineering and then, as you mentioned, horizontal evacuation. So

984
01:35:53,040 --> 01:35:57,880
just getting out of harm's way as quickly as possible to high ground. So generally, we don't

985
01:35:58,980 --> 01:36:02,800
think about that in terms of shoreline armoring because there's just no way to engineer it to

986
01:36:02,800 --> 01:36:09,100
that standard without potentially creating an entire C wall against the entire organ coast and

987
01:36:09,100 --> 01:36:14,660
it would be very massive and it would just be too much, I think, for what we want to see.

988
01:36:14,660 --> 01:36:43,440
So then the second question is about infrastructure, why did we only look at 1977, well, initially with the goal 18 focus group, we called it as you could see the kind of silly name, but the pre-1977 development focus group. So our task was really to think about the policy as it was written with that 1977 cut off date for armoring and if it missed out on some other things that may be intended to protect.

989
01:36:43,440 --> 01:36:46,480
but didn't quite do in the language.

990
01:36:46,720 --> 01:36:49,260
And so that's kind of why we focused on that cut-off date.

991
01:36:50,440 --> 01:36:52,480
And so sort of trying to keep with the intention

992
01:36:52,480 --> 01:36:54,100
of the original policy.

993
01:36:54,860 --> 01:36:57,620
And really, because ultimately, a lot of the focus

994
01:36:57,620 --> 01:37:00,940
remembers we're focusing as you all have sort of pointed out.

995
01:37:01,040 --> 01:37:03,460
Hi, we want to one, being such an important asset

996
01:37:03,460 --> 01:37:07,480
to the communities, a safety project.

997
01:37:09,860 --> 01:37:12,320
That ended up being the focus of the group

998
01:37:12,320 --> 01:37:14,900
was this particular asset,

999
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:17,220
and that it is actually built before 1987.

1000
01:37:17,440 --> 01:37:19,520
So it was sort of an easy thing to do.

1001
01:37:20,180 --> 01:37:22,700
We did find that when we looked into other facilities,

1002
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:24,960
it was really difficult to find development date

1003
01:37:24,960 --> 01:37:26,780
of other types of infrastructure.

1004
01:37:27,560 --> 01:37:29,440
So if we did want to go broader,

1005
01:37:30,680 --> 01:37:33,380
it probably would have to not have that development date cut off.

1006
01:37:33,560 --> 01:37:35,540
So if we wanted to allow the protection

1007
01:37:35,540 --> 01:37:37,740
of other types of facilities, then it would probably

1008
01:37:37,740 --> 01:37:40,600
would have to be anything, because it is really difficult

1009
01:37:40,600 --> 01:37:42,960
to find the development date of most infrastructure.

1010
01:37:43,800 --> 01:37:45,060
But at this point, I think we're just

1011
01:37:45,060 --> 01:37:47,600
wanted to focus on roads, especially highway 101.

1012
01:37:47,740 --> 01:37:50,160
But if there is interest in looking further,

1013
01:37:50,300 --> 01:37:52,360
a field, then that would be something we could consider.

1014
01:37:53,820 --> 01:37:54,440
Thank you.

1015
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:55,960
This is a quick follow-up on that too.

1016
01:37:56,260 --> 01:37:58,560
So the entire one-in-one was built before 1977.

1017
01:37:59,140 --> 01:38:01,840
So if we were to go this route, it wouldn't exclude certain sections.

1018
01:38:02,380 --> 01:38:02,760
Correct.

1019
01:38:03,180 --> 01:38:04,260
Great, thank you.

1020
01:38:07,740 --> 01:38:08,020
Yeah.

1021
01:38:08,020 --> 01:38:13,680
And I appreciate the questions and your answer, Meg.

1022
01:38:15,620 --> 01:38:23,960
We're, I think staff was focusing on the pre-1977 again for the reasons that Meg just described.

1023
01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:27,160
We're not trying to create a whole new rule in a way.

1024
01:38:27,400 --> 01:38:34,360
We're sort of, in essence, amending an existing rule that didn't previously include public roads specifically.

1025
01:38:35,480 --> 01:38:55,380
So, it's a much broader conversation and to me, sort of a nose on the tent if we change that date because then all the other development, private development that might have happened post-1970, there might be an advocacy out there for including those as well.

1026
01:38:55,380 --> 01:39:03,620
So I would encourage fellow commissioners to focus on the date and the charge in front of us.

1027
01:39:04,060 --> 01:39:10,800
I personally would not be prepared to do role-making today on this particular topic if we change that day.

1028
01:39:12,040 --> 01:39:13,580
So anyway, that's just my thought.

1029
01:39:14,520 --> 01:39:18,380
So other commissioners have comments or follow up questions.

1030
01:39:23,700 --> 01:39:25,120
Doesn't look like it.

1031
01:39:25,120 --> 01:39:30,160
And I don't, I'll can I should take up some, did you want to do just a note?

1032
01:39:30,200 --> 01:39:35,980
I think we've talked about this previously in commission meetings, but as we discuss

1033
01:39:35,980 --> 01:39:41,240
resuming in-person meetings, just to note that I think when we get everyone out to the

1034
01:39:41,240 --> 01:39:45,680
coast, we really should go and see some of these sites in person.

1035
01:39:45,760 --> 01:39:51,220
I think that would really be helpful to everybody as well as seeing the new Marine Studies

1036
01:39:51,220 --> 01:39:57,740
initiative building, which is a tsunami safe building that was built in South Beach here in Lincoln County.

1037
01:39:57,740 --> 01:39:59,920
I think seeing that as well as some of these slides.

1038
01:40:00,000 --> 01:40:05,480
And person would be helpful. So just to note, to do that, when we're able to.

1039
01:40:05,540 --> 01:40:10,380
That's an excellent point, and I don't think Jim covered this in his director's report. And I still think

1040
01:40:10,380 --> 01:40:14,180
there is staff is trying to figure out when we actually can meet in person.

1041
01:40:14,700 --> 01:40:18,960
I think we're, well, I'm hopeful of September for the commission meeting in person.

1042
01:40:19,740 --> 01:40:27,140
But that meeting would definitely be in Salem. But we have talked staff and a couple of us have talked about the idea meeting

1043
01:40:27,140 --> 01:40:31,780
in at the coast somewhere in November meeting or perhaps January.

1044
01:40:32,160 --> 01:40:34,840
So yes, it's timely and we need to get there

1045
01:40:34,840 --> 01:40:36,000
and see these kinds of things.

1046
01:40:36,180 --> 01:40:37,160
So thank you for the invitation.

1047
01:40:37,400 --> 01:40:39,080
I was just going to say if you meet,

1048
01:40:39,080 --> 01:40:41,280
if we meet on the coast in January,

1049
01:40:41,420 --> 01:40:44,520
you might be able to see some shoreline erosion happening

1050
01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:46,420
in person while you are here.

1051
01:40:46,440 --> 01:40:48,760
That's kind of the season for it.

1052
01:40:49,080 --> 01:40:50,240
I'm a little bit in mind.

1053
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:51,140
Thank you.

1054
01:40:53,000 --> 01:40:55,080
Commissioner Jacobson, I just want to thank you

1055
01:40:55,080 --> 01:40:58,040
of the EV Chargers at the New Coastal Studies Program?

1056
01:40:59,720 --> 01:41:00,800
Yeah, that's great.

1057
01:41:01,980 --> 01:41:03,320
Jim has been out there, obviously.

1058
01:41:04,440 --> 01:41:05,060
That's great.

1059
01:41:06,800 --> 01:41:11,800
So we don't, I believe in less I need to update my list here.

1060
01:41:12,060 --> 01:41:15,580
Nobody signed up for public testimony on this topic.

1061
01:41:15,720 --> 01:41:16,740
Is that correct, Esther?

1062
01:41:20,210 --> 01:41:22,570
So, but, okay, thanks.

1063
01:41:22,570 --> 01:41:35,690
I heard kind of one specific, and that was maybe perhaps some targeted outreach to the tribes.

1064
01:41:36,790 --> 01:41:41,950
I think the other comments of commissioners, I believe were answered by Meg.

1065
01:41:43,210 --> 01:41:46,030
Yeah, so is there other considerations?

1066
01:41:46,030 --> 01:41:50,430
And the reason I'm kind of trying to capture these is because, generally, when we initiate

1067
01:41:50,430 --> 01:41:57,050
role-making, we think about sort of a one-page communicate that goes between us and the

1068
01:41:57,050 --> 01:41:57,570
rack.

1069
01:41:58,790 --> 01:42:05,470
And, obviously, through staff to the rack, and it's a charge to the committee.

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And we did that.

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01:42:07,330 --> 01:42:11,130
It was a pretty extensive charge that we all initiated for the climate work.

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I don't, if you remember that, in very extensive conversation, I think it was last July,

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And put some side bars on it and basically describe what we were not going to do as well as what we were going to do.

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And I think those are important parameters for this effort as well, not obviously as extensive as the climate work, this is relatively straightforward.

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So I had encouraged staff to think about bringing back to us a one page or in September that clarifies that they would go ahead and initiate rule making with that with those considerations.

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And so that the one consideration is to really do some outreach to staff to to the tribes

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to see if we could include their perspective in this discussion.

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01:42:49,230 --> 01:42:55,930
Are there other items, considerations, commissioners, would like staff to consider staff

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01:42:55,930 --> 01:42:58,570
and the right to consider in this particular role-making?

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It looks like Vice, I mean, Deputy Director Green has her hand up.

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I made sure my character, thank you, Vice Chair and members of the Commission.

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01:43:11,660 --> 01:43:19,400
Meg, if you don't mind putting back up your slide with the motion, and then also, there's sort of the heart of the charge in there.

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01:43:19,780 --> 01:43:26,460
So I thought maybe we could land on that just for a moment, and then when you cut, so you'll know specifically what you're initiating with the outcomes will be.

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01:43:27,520 --> 01:43:30,820
Meg has a really good slide on that to just a few slides back,

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01:43:33,000 --> 01:43:33,020
Meg.

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01:43:33,020 --> 01:43:39,940
a bit of my flipping backwards in your presentation. Thank you all. One more. There you go.

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01:43:40,180 --> 01:43:45,900
So there you go. If you can, there you go. So here's really the heart of the charge.

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01:43:50,000 --> 01:43:55,000
And so Chairman Carthage, your point, we've we've enveloped this into a charter.

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For the committee, and then bring that back to you in September.

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And if you'd like to make it put the motion back up, so the commissioners could film

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a move if they wished.

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Thanks, Mike.

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Great.

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01:44:11,400 --> 01:44:20,740
And then I had a question, so in my correct in assuming that, let's say, a public entity goes

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01:44:20,740 --> 01:44:27,520
through a goals, exception, reasons, process to fortify their role, let's say so, dot.

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01:44:27,520 --> 01:44:45,900
As part of that analysis does the applicant have to demonstrate what potential impact there might be on private property in that area as a result of the bolstering of the shoreline in that particular location.

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01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:59,600
Yes, I think that one of the criteria under the reasons exception pathway does talk about reducing adverse impacts to surrounding properties.

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I can't remember the exact criteria, but yeah, I think it's in there. And then I would also mention that even though it's not captured in the exception process necessarily then they still have to get a permit through organ parks and recreation department and they have their own set of criteria and it does have

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01:45:17,160 --> 01:45:20,840
many of those kinds of things in there, such as impacts to the public

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01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:25,800
speech, impacts to other property, and also in alternatives analysis.

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01:45:26,460 --> 01:45:31,020
So, could you do something else here instead to mitigate the problem?

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And so, they have the burden of proof to show, like, why rip rap is the only solution in this case.

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01:45:38,980 --> 01:45:39,640
Thank you.

1104
01:45:39,660 --> 01:45:42,340
And then I have another kind of consideration.

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01:45:42,620 --> 01:45:45,940
I want to thank Mr. Jacobson for raising the issue of the life line,

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01:45:45,940 --> 01:45:49,740
what I want being a lifeline for many things,

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01:45:49,780 --> 01:45:50,960
but especially during emergency.

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And then I was listening to your response,

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Meg, to Commissioner Warren's question about well,

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01:45:56,080 --> 01:46:00,200
if there's a big one, the bolstering and in that area,

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the new area as well as other areas is not going to hold up.

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So I think of this really as given global warming

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and the fact that C levels are rising to me,

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01:46:10,540 --> 01:46:13,920
I think of this as an important thing to proceed

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01:46:13,920 --> 01:46:21,260
with rulemaking on. But I also think of it as a pretty temporary fix. And it really, I mean,

1116
01:46:21,380 --> 01:46:27,360
yes, obviously is expensive to reroute roads, but given that lifeline that Commissioner

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01:46:27,360 --> 01:46:33,920
Jacobson really helped me understand, you know, there's a real need to step in and really encourage

1118
01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:39,240
the relevant agencies to start thinking if they haven't already, they might be start thinking about

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01:46:39,240 --> 01:46:47,800
what rerouting might look like as part of this whole effort. So any other final questions for

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01:46:49,160 --> 01:46:56,240
staff before we entertain a motion? If I just make a comment off of your comment, chair.

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01:46:56,640 --> 01:47:01,300
Please. Yeah, I mean, I would just say the rerouting thing. I mean, in some regards,

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01:47:01,740 --> 01:47:06,440
it doesn't need to happen. We've had some coastal highways going east recently, like Highway 20,

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01:47:07,080 --> 01:47:15,300
Which was rerouted that had a lot of erosion issues and stuff, but I don't think there's ever going to be

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01:47:15,300 --> 01:47:21,280
a clear rerouting of 101 because, especially on the coast because you have to go around headlands.

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Any time you go around the headland, you're going to have some kind of erosion or landslide risk.

1126
01:47:28,280 --> 01:47:32,980
headlines are very difficult. Back in the day when 101 was actually built by the civilian

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01:47:32,980 --> 01:47:38,240
incarceration corpse, the CCC, I mean, they just took dynamite and blew portions of the

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01:47:38,240 --> 01:47:45,440
road and paid that. Which we don't do now, but also that red was not necessarily built

1129
01:47:45,440 --> 01:47:51,760
for sustainability with erosion of those types of things happening. So, you know, while I agree

1130
01:47:51,760 --> 01:47:55,880
that I think there's money needed from state and federal government to start looking at some

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01:47:55,880 --> 01:48:01,120
these issues. There's also portions of highway 101 would see level rise even without a

1132
01:48:01,120 --> 01:48:06,560
erosion just won't be here, but this be under water without the erosion going in through

1133
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:12,860
Salashan and Lincoln County is one of those places. So we do need that help, but there's always

1134
01:48:12,860 --> 01:48:21,320
going to be risks of coastal roads period moving forward. So I think in summer guard, rewroteing

1135
01:48:21,320 --> 01:48:26,920
one thing that doesn't even have discussion and money, but we're always going to be problem-solving.

1136
01:48:27,000 --> 01:48:31,540
I think here on the coast when it comes to road, we're not going to buy ourselves out of that.

1137
01:48:31,940 --> 01:48:33,300
So just to note on that.

1138
01:48:34,280 --> 01:48:38,860
You know, great points. I really appreciate that even more ways to come to the coast and really see

1139
01:48:38,860 --> 01:48:43,260
these in person and get our our heads around it all the issues that you face.

1140
01:48:45,820 --> 01:48:52,700
Okay, I don't see any other commissioners with hands up to ask questions or to comment.

1141
01:48:53,820 --> 01:48:59,220
So I'd like to ask the commissioner to offer a motion.

1142
01:49:02,160 --> 01:49:10,600
I move the commission initiate real making an authorized director to appoint a real making advisory committee consistent with the recommendations in the staff report.

1143
01:49:11,320 --> 01:49:12,840
Thank you, is there a second?

1144
01:49:12,840 --> 01:49:14,840
I'll second.

1145
01:49:15,820 --> 01:49:17,060
We should really lack seconds.

1146
01:49:17,300 --> 01:49:17,580
Thank you.

1147
01:49:17,820 --> 01:49:18,440
Motion and second.

1148
01:49:18,560 --> 01:49:19,600
The motions on the table.

1149
01:49:20,840 --> 01:49:21,440
Miss Johnson.

1150
01:49:21,820 --> 01:49:23,300
Please call the roll.

1151
01:49:23,700 --> 01:49:24,240
Vice chair.

1152
01:49:24,400 --> 01:49:24,540
Hello.

1153
01:49:25,600 --> 01:49:26,800
All right.

1154
01:49:27,400 --> 01:49:27,760
Commissioner.

1155
01:49:28,560 --> 01:49:29,160
Jacobson.

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01:49:29,920 --> 01:49:30,020
I.

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01:49:30,780 --> 01:49:31,200
Commissioner.

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01:49:31,520 --> 01:49:32,740
Stand of all.

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01:49:33,160 --> 01:49:33,300
I.

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01:49:33,980 --> 01:49:34,360
Commissioner.

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01:49:34,660 --> 01:49:35,140
Lee Lack.

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01:49:35,680 --> 01:49:35,900
I.

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01:49:36,540 --> 01:49:36,960
Commissioner.

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01:49:37,280 --> 01:49:37,580
Warren.

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01:49:38,900 --> 01:49:39,040
I.

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01:49:39,760 --> 01:49:39,900
Chair.

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01:49:40,040 --> 01:49:40,080
My.

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01:49:40,080 --> 01:49:43,740
there. I and I wanted to know that Commissioner

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01:49:43,740 --> 01:49:47,240
Paramine has an excused absence and so the motion

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01:49:47,240 --> 01:49:51,020
passes unanimously of those present. Thank you

1171
01:49:51,020 --> 01:49:55,360
Meg. Thanks everyone for the discussion and we're

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01:49:55,360 --> 01:49:58,520
going to go into a break now and I know that staff wants

1173
01:49:58,520 --> 01:49:59,980
to really honor the...

1174
01:50:00,900 --> 01:50:17,760
So it's going to be a nice long break. I don't think we need to come back and for the legislative update until 1045. So I will honor that time frame that is in people's schedules. See you in a little bit.

1175
01:50:17,760 --> 01:50:26,260
Hello. The time is 1045 AM for those of you tuning in online. Hello.

1176
01:50:27,200 --> 01:50:32,780
Agenda item 5 2021 legislative update will be presented next.

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01:50:34,320 --> 01:50:37,520
Chair MacArthur, you have a forum.

1178
01:50:38,700 --> 01:50:44,960
Thank you, Esther. I appreciate that and welcome to our amazing legislative team.

1179
01:50:44,960 --> 01:50:52,320
Palmer Mason and Emma Land, and I don't know if you had tuned in earlier, but these balloons were for you as well.

1180
01:50:53,640 --> 01:51:01,060
So take it away and tell us about budget stuff as well as all the other great things that happens during the session.

1181
01:51:02,100 --> 01:51:04,980
Great. Thank you very much for the balloons.

1182
01:51:05,760 --> 01:51:10,540
Let me get my screen up to share presentation.

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Everybody can see the presentation.

1184
01:51:17,660 --> 01:51:25,440
Yes. Great. Okay. Well, good morning, Chair MacArthur, by Chair Hlova and Commissioner

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01:51:25,440 --> 01:51:30,800
Members. For the record, my name is Emma Land. I'm the legislative coordinator here at

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01:51:30,800 --> 01:51:40,720
TLCD and I'm also joined with my policy counterpart Palmer Mason. We're going to give you an update

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01:51:40,720 --> 01:51:45,240
a recap essentially of the 2021 legislative session.

1188
01:51:48,790 --> 01:51:51,110
So, to get you started, just a quick agenda,

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01:51:51,890 --> 01:51:56,990
we're going to do kind of a high-level recap of the legislative session.

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01:51:57,330 --> 01:52:02,650
I've been having the passels been most of our presentation discussing the high priority bills

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01:52:02,650 --> 01:52:07,070
and then of course we'll have a discussion in questions from commission members.

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01:52:07,070 --> 01:52:08,190
So,

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the legislative session, it started on January 19th and it ended on June 26th, that was

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01:52:18,650 --> 01:52:26,190
one day before the Constitutional and state. Several primary issues that really kind of took

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01:52:26,190 --> 01:52:32,750
the main focus. Obviously, of course, the most important one is the state's 2021-23

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01:52:32,750 --> 01:52:40,110
by any old budget. We will touch on DLCDs of proof budget here shortly and then I know of

1197
01:52:40,110 --> 01:52:44,110
course later today you'll get more in-depth overview from Carol.

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01:52:46,290 --> 01:52:47,810
Other items so the legislature

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01:52:47,810 --> 01:52:55,450
was focused on a variety of COVID-19 response and relief work. On top of that there was of course major

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01:52:55,450 --> 01:53:03,690
focus on the wildfire issues, kind of two categories of recovery from the 2020 fire season,

1201
01:53:04,130 --> 01:53:11,170
and then of course mitigation for future planning. And Palmer is going to get into details of

1202
01:53:11,170 --> 01:53:16,750
the wildfire legislation and TLCD's role when we run through the fiery bills because we definitely

1203
01:53:16,750 --> 01:53:25,070
have a role. And then lastly, there was a lot of much needed attention focused on racial justice and

1204
01:53:25,070 --> 01:53:37,590
pretty much spans almost every legislative committee I can think of in some way and we'll touch on a couple bills that are that fall into that kind of area.

1205
01:53:41,010 --> 01:53:51,990
So let's talk about budget real quick. I think Homer's actually going to start us off with Senate Bill 5530, which is agencies budget bill.

1206
01:53:52,550 --> 01:53:57,670
Yes, thank you, Emma, and good morning, Chair MacArthur and members of the Commission.

1207
01:53:58,150 --> 01:54:03,210
So, Palmer Mason, Senior Policy Advisor at the LCD, and before I get started,

1208
01:54:03,950 --> 01:54:07,390
Chairman MacArthur, I want to thank you for your very kind words about the efforts of

1209
01:54:07,390 --> 01:54:10,590
the M&I, the session, really appreciate that recognition.

1210
01:54:11,750 --> 01:54:19,390
So, let me turn to Senate Bill 5530, as Emma said, it was the agency's basic budget bill.

1211
01:54:20,710 --> 01:54:28,430
Director Ru talked about how historic the budget is for DLCD going into this biennium and that is certainly true.

1212
01:54:29,470 --> 01:54:44,550
I will quickly start before I jump into the policy option packages by saying that we have roughly 65 positions, which is the director indicated the historic increase over time.

1213
01:54:44,550 --> 01:54:56,050
almost $30 million budget, which again is substantially larger than we've seen, and in addition

1214
01:54:56,050 --> 01:54:59,950
to the policy option packages, the legislature restorts so cuts that we're in the...

1215
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:08,120
Governor's recommended budget. So we got back $500,000 in general grant money. And then we got back a couple

1216
01:55:08,120 --> 01:55:15,480
of positions, including the mid-malamment, value, regional rep position. So some good things happened

1217
01:55:15,480 --> 01:55:20,580
even before we get to the policy option packages. So these policy option packages are the budget

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01:55:20,580 --> 01:55:26,960
requests. They were largely in the Governor's recommended budget in the legislature funded what

1219
01:55:26,960 --> 01:55:34,840
the governor asked for. So policy option package 1, 10, the housing, policy option package

1220
01:55:34,840 --> 01:55:40,360
makes permanent the six positions that we got in the last by any. And that's a major victory.

1221
01:55:40,560 --> 01:55:45,100
It's an indication by the legislature of the importance of housing and the importance of our

1222
01:55:45,100 --> 01:55:52,700
housing program to addressing housing supply and housing choice. And it does is the chair indicated

1223
01:55:52,700 --> 01:55:59,140
earlier reflect the very good work that we have done around House Bill 2001 and House Bill 2003.

1224
01:56:00,960 --> 01:56:05,120
That includes, in addition to the staffing, it includes two and a half million dollars

1225
01:56:05,120 --> 01:56:15,340
for grants to local governments and moving on to policy option package 11 and the climate change adaptation

1226
01:56:16,280 --> 01:56:21,840
package. I think this is another instance where the legislature recognized the work that the agency's

1227
01:56:21,840 --> 01:56:30,540
doing. The work here is of course the coordination across the enterprise to develop a governance

1228
01:56:30,540 --> 01:56:37,020
structure and a framework for addressing climate change adaptation in state programs and policies.

1229
01:56:38,280 --> 01:56:45,060
So this policy after package permanently funds are coordinator position, climate adaptation

1230
01:56:45,060 --> 01:56:49,760
coordinator position and moves that funding from federal funding the general fund and then it

1231
01:56:49,760 --> 01:56:55,060
provides money for a statewide vulnerability assessment, which will be focused on communities

1232
01:56:55,060 --> 01:57:01,040
and equities to try to identify where we are most vulnerable from the effects of climate

1233
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change.

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Moving on to Pop 112, this is of course the climate change mitigation pop, this is intended

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01:57:09,740 --> 01:57:14,240
to support our work in the climate-friendly and equitable community rulemaking.

1236
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It includes one position, it is a limited duration position, and about three quarters of a million dollars to support the local governments who will largely be our more urban and suburban areas as they do the scenario planning and other things expected under that rule.

1237
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Then what was a surprise to us, but a fortuitous one given the Senate Bill 762 that we're going to talk about later, which is the wildfire on the bus bill director room mentioned that in his comments.

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01:57:44,620 --> 01:57:57,280
Prop 113, this was a pop that came to the commission last summer, but was not included in the governor's recommended budget, but the legislature solved it to fund it and it is a obviously a law fire reduction.

1239
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policy option package, which includes one permanent position, which was also a surprise.

1240
01:58:04,140 --> 01:58:08,680
When we were looking at this earlier, we had a limited duration position, but the legislature

1241
01:58:08,680 --> 01:58:16,300
actually made this a permanent planter position that will coordinate our work, and really

1242
01:58:16,300 --> 01:58:20,620
maybe start to build a wildfire, a dedicated wildfire reduction program at the department.

1243
01:58:21,720 --> 01:58:24,860
This policy option package will be tied into Senate Bill.

1244
01:58:24,860 --> 01:58:28,580
Some 62 as I mentioned and we can talk about that more later.

1245
01:58:28,980 --> 01:58:35,020
So I think that covers what I was going to talk about, I think Emma was going to take up the conversation with package 90.

1246
01:58:35,760 --> 01:58:38,280
Yeah, so package 90.

1247
01:58:39,260 --> 01:58:44,420
The governor's recommended budget included package 90, which had two pieces.

1248
01:58:44,420 --> 01:58:48,240
is the first one is 100,000, sorry,

1249
01:58:48,460 --> 01:58:50,120
that's not 101 million dollars.

1250
01:58:50,720 --> 01:58:54,620
For DLCD to identify equity strategies

1251
01:58:54,620 --> 01:59:00,060
to increase resiliency in the rural transportation system.

1252
01:59:00,200 --> 01:59:03,060
This portion of the package was funded

1253
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and we're beginning the process of collaborating

1254
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with the Department of Transportation

1255
01:59:07,980 --> 01:59:13,720
on our proposal to provide direct technical and financial assistance

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to rural communities with transportation, disadvantaged populations.

1257
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And the second piece of it was the $800,000 that had a focus on environmental justice

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and land use.

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You'll see here, it's a child-sized, highlighted in orange.

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Unfortunately, this piece of the package was not funded, and DLCDs approved budget.

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So, you may remember this funding was kind of tied to House Bill 2488, which related to updating our state-wide

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01:59:48,700 --> 01:59:55,280
language planning goals. And I'll give you an update on that bill on the next slide when we move to the priority legislation.

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So, with that, I'll pop over to this.

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This other bill that we have House Bill 5,06. So this bill is the end of session budget bill, which is also commonly referred to as the Christmas tree bill, which you've probably heard as mentioned.

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And this building included two appropriations to DLCD related to housing.

1266
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So, the first included $2 million for housing grants.

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So, DLCD will be able to use this money to give technical assistance to local governments,

1268
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cities, and populations below 10,000, and basically for planning and capacity building.

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And then the second portion of it is roughly 1.5 million and it's related to continuing

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the work from Office of the 2003 around the regional housing needs analysis.

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And this appropriations linked to a budget note that provides specific direction to the agency on

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how to use the funds. So it has deal CD consulting with Oregon Housing and Community Services.

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We have to provide reports to the legislature.

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One is a preliminary report.

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Do and February of 2022.

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And then the final one is due in December of 2022.

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Biscuits report reporting on efforts to develop an actual legislative proposal to incorporate

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a regional housing needs analysis into state-level planning processes.

1279
02:01:29,400 --> 02:01:42,780
And so it's broken out a bit, one point three of that is for conducting this work, and then what's also really great is that there's funding for permanent grants coordinator position.

1280
02:01:44,780 --> 02:01:47,440
And the staff report has more detail.

1281
02:01:48,400 --> 02:01:55,660
I'm sorry Emma, I was wondering if you could talk about what that permanent grants coordinator person would do if you have an incident.

1282
02:01:55,660 --> 02:02:02,500
Yeah, I believe that this position is going to focus on getting assistance to our

1283
02:02:02,500 --> 02:02:08,700
planning services division for FEMA grants. Do I have that right?

1284
02:02:10,360 --> 02:02:14,600
I'm going to have this correct.

1285
02:02:18,070 --> 02:02:26,450
Can I also add here, Chair McArthur, one thing I wanted to add about $1.3 million

1286
02:02:26,450 --> 02:02:33,630
the intervention that also includes money to try to look at some data gaps that we have in

1287
02:02:33,630 --> 02:02:40,830
our current housing projection process. So one of the assessments that we undertook in

1288
02:02:40,830 --> 02:02:45,910
House Bill 2003 was to look at the methodology that Oregon Housing and Community Services

1289
02:02:45,910 --> 02:02:52,170
develops around regional housing needs analysis. And their methodology did much more to look

1290
02:02:52,170 --> 02:02:57,270
at the housing needs of specific priority populations around race,

1291
02:02:57,470 --> 02:03:01,750
ethnicity, disability, things like that.

1292
02:03:02,470 --> 02:03:07,310
And one of the observations that we made in the legislative report we provided this year was that

1293
02:03:07,310 --> 02:03:14,250
there really should be more funding to try to disaggregate at the data that we use for population

1294
02:03:14,250 --> 02:03:19,850
forecast the needs of those type of priority population. So there is money. I'm happy to say in

1295
02:03:19,850 --> 02:03:27,970
1.3 million, I think it's roughly to the tune of $400,000 to try to work with the population

1296
02:03:27,970 --> 02:03:33,450
and research center at the Portland State University to develop that type of data.

1297
02:03:33,890 --> 02:03:39,670
And it would also include some data for trying to understand the housing needs for tribal nations.

1298
02:03:41,090 --> 02:03:46,890
Great, that's helpful. And Palmer, that is separate from there's additional money for

1299
02:03:47,690 --> 02:03:54,290
an inventory of available land for development in general, not just housing, or is this

1300
02:03:54,290 --> 02:03:55,410
that one in the same?

1301
02:03:56,350 --> 02:04:00,850
It's the chair McArthur, good question, it's not quite the same. There is a piece of legislation

1302
02:04:00,850 --> 02:04:05,590
that we'll talk about later. I think this is what you're referring to, House Bill 2918,

1303
02:04:05,690 --> 02:04:13,170
it requires that a part of the set up an inventory for surplus public lands, but it's not limited

1304
02:04:13,170 --> 02:04:20,150
housing that there's not really an inventory of housing lands in this $1.3 million dollars.

1305
02:04:20,270 --> 02:04:28,590
It's to look at the question of regional housing approach, which, yes, as we work through that

1306
02:04:28,590 --> 02:04:34,150
could look at a buildable lands inventory as a part of that analysis, but it doesn't call out

1307
02:04:34,150 --> 02:04:38,510
a specific inventory standalone inventory. So I'm not sure I actually answer your question.

1308
02:04:38,510 --> 02:04:40,870
You did actually beautifully. Thank you. I understand.

1309
02:04:46,710 --> 02:04:46,710
Yeah.

1310
02:04:47,090 --> 02:04:55,210
Well, the only thing I was going to mention is that there are more details on, you know, exactly what we're envisioning for this, this money in the software.

1311
02:04:57,070 --> 02:04:59,790
So all switch over here.

1312
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:13,580
To our priority bills, this image that you are pretty familiar with now, it's a list of our priority bills kind of building on our last update that we gave in nay.

1313
02:05:14,680 --> 02:05:22,940
So a quick note I mentioned before the italicized items in orange did not end up passing, so we'll touch base on some of those.

1314
02:05:22,940 --> 02:05:29,020
I can get started with climate and liquidity, like not a worry here, so I already touched

1315
02:05:29,020 --> 02:05:38,320
space on the package 90, falling out the 800,000 for environmental justice and land use that

1316
02:05:38,320 --> 02:05:46,200
had a connection to hospital 2480. So, my priority was a bill that was proposed by the environmental

1317
02:05:46,200 --> 02:05:52,640
community went through many iterations. It started with focus on directing

1318
02:05:52,640 --> 02:05:58,100
commission to adopt a new statewide planning goal 20 that would address climate,

1319
02:05:58,320 --> 02:06:05,260
equity, and environmental justice. The latest version became narrower in scope and it

1320
02:06:05,260 --> 02:06:12,060
would have directed commission to amend our planning goal 1 related to citizen involvement to

1321
02:06:12,060 --> 02:06:16,780
appropriate equity, climate justice, and environmental justice practices.

1322
02:06:17,900 --> 02:06:21,180
I also would have had commission reading the goal.

1323
02:06:22,020 --> 02:06:26,960
And essentially, the bill was providing direction for that $800,000 in funding that was identified

1324
02:06:26,960 --> 02:06:29,260
in the governor's recommended budget.

1325
02:06:30,060 --> 02:06:34,820
Again, unfortunately, well, this bill didn't pass and make it through the legislative process.

1326
02:06:35,580 --> 02:06:46,020
The agency, as well as a number of stakeholders, really support this concept and the need to incorporate equity into the land use process, the other goals.

1327
02:06:46,980 --> 02:06:57,680
So we are exploring what opportunities or pathways might actually be available to figure out how we can make some changes to bold one, whether it happens this by an am or in the future.

1328
02:06:59,340 --> 02:07:03,360
So this is not the end of the conversation, I guess is what I'm saying.

1329
02:07:05,840 --> 02:07:10,960
And so Senate Bill 286, that's the next one in this category, and fortunately, this

1330
02:07:10,960 --> 02:07:12,420
still did not pass either.

1331
02:07:12,780 --> 02:07:18,120
This was the governor's bill that related to environmental justice, and one of the main

1332
02:07:18,120 --> 02:07:23,140
pieces of it was that it would have changed the environmental justice task force to counsel.

1333
02:07:24,880 --> 02:07:29,120
It eventually kind of the piece that I wanted to focus on was that it would have directed

1334
02:07:29,120 --> 02:07:36,340
Oregon also authority and Department of Environmental Quality to develop an equity and mapping tool

1335
02:07:37,400 --> 02:07:43,780
to evaluate equity concerns for the state's natural resources agencies, which of course would include us.

1336
02:07:45,120 --> 02:07:50,860
And since the bill didn't pass, the governor's office is currently looking at what next steps

1337
02:07:50,860 --> 02:07:57,080
would actually be taken to address the mapping tool. And DLCD has been involved in these preliminary

1338
02:07:57,080 --> 02:08:03,120
conversations. I know that Director Roo has been actively involved in the conversations.

1339
02:08:04,440 --> 02:08:07,540
Not to put you on the spot, but if there's anything that you do want to say about it,

1340
02:08:07,700 --> 02:08:11,300
you're welcome to or else we can just move right on over to wildfires.

1341
02:08:11,820 --> 02:08:23,240
No, thanks Emma. So to Emma's point, there are at least five or six agencies across the enterprise

1342
02:08:23,240 --> 02:08:29,500
who are incorporating equity into their main mission,

1343
02:08:29,620 --> 02:08:30,860
regardless of what it is.

1344
02:08:31,500 --> 02:08:35,160
So obviously, Oregon Health Authority, DEQ, ODOT,

1345
02:08:36,180 --> 02:08:39,560
ourselves, housing and community services.

1346
02:08:39,920 --> 02:08:47,540
There's just a range of agencies who are looking at a so-called equity map

1347
02:08:47,540 --> 02:08:51,760
to identify priority populations,

1348
02:08:53,060 --> 02:08:59,020
do something called story maps that integrate text into GIS,

1349
02:08:59,360 --> 02:09:04,120
so that you begin to tell a story about where people are,

1350
02:09:04,320 --> 02:09:10,040
what their particular needs are and what the solutions to those needs might be.

1351
02:09:10,700 --> 02:09:13,240
Because we did not get the money,

1352
02:09:13,240 --> 02:09:21,680
because DQ did not get the money and yet the need persists we have now met once last week with

1353
02:09:21,680 --> 02:09:28,020
the governor's office and all of the above-named agencies to try to figure out how we're going

1354
02:09:28,020 --> 02:09:37,180
to share the load and coming up with a base map that agencies will then be able to build off

1355
02:09:37,180 --> 02:09:43,940
to meet their own particular needs. We're meeting again this coming Monday trying to figure out

1356
02:09:43,940 --> 02:09:52,800
if we can pool some resources, maybe pull some work from the state of Washington. Washington

1357
02:09:52,800 --> 02:09:59,940
has what's called a health disparities map. That might become the foundation upon which we build.

1358
02:10:00,020 --> 02:10:11,120
Then specific applications. The law in the short of it is, we all need it, and we're pretty determined to figure out a way to make it happen. Thanks, Emma.

1359
02:10:12,420 --> 02:10:13,240
Yeah, thanks.

1360
02:10:15,320 --> 02:10:20,940
So if there are many questions about that, I'm going to hand it over to Palmer to tackle well spares.

1361
02:10:20,940 --> 02:10:23,560
I have a question actually, a chair.

1362
02:10:24,000 --> 02:10:25,520
Mission assigned of all?

1363
02:10:26,060 --> 02:10:37,980
Yeah, so would go one, I'm wondering if the focus was just to add, you know,

1364
02:10:38,060 --> 02:10:40,600
outreach to communities of color.

1365
02:10:41,100 --> 02:10:43,140
Because that's not mentioned at all, either go.

1366
02:10:45,060 --> 02:11:05,160
And not kind of bad that climate justice and environmental justice issues, I'm wondering if that would be the first of all, I would say that that's critical that we do that, that's something that's ridiculous, that's not there at the current moment.

1367
02:11:05,160 --> 02:11:13,250
And I guess the other kind of common question being if we separated those two things,

1368
02:11:13,960 --> 02:11:16,240
usually I have to keep to combine those two things.

1369
02:11:16,460 --> 02:11:20,250
But I guess here I'm saying is just to get something involved when

1370
02:11:21,540 --> 02:11:26,000
that mentions, you know, doing a particular outreach to communities of color.

1371
02:11:27,580 --> 02:11:28,680
I wonder your thoughts on that?

1372
02:11:32,150 --> 02:11:34,030
I mean I personally agree as well.

1373
02:11:34,030 --> 02:11:38,030
I think it's a huge priority for us to acknowledge that

1374
02:11:39,790 --> 02:11:42,730
hopefully is not mentioned in goal one at all.

1375
02:11:44,010 --> 02:11:49,210
We don't have measures in place to really encourage

1376
02:11:49,210 --> 02:11:52,430
not just access, but participation,

1377
02:11:52,870 --> 02:11:54,990
understanding, meeting people where they're at,

1378
02:11:55,190 --> 02:11:56,550
whether it's communities of color,

1379
02:11:57,390 --> 02:12:00,930
people with disabilities, people that are not English

1380
02:12:00,930 --> 02:12:02,810
as their first language, things like that.

1381
02:12:02,810 --> 02:12:08,930
you know, there's some big thing he to be done and I think that that was kind of what

1382
02:12:08,930 --> 02:12:13,710
agents you wanted to focus on was that while climate justice and environmental justice are

1383
02:12:13,710 --> 02:12:19,650
very important to and we do kind of need to figure out how we can think about those topics

1384
02:12:19,650 --> 02:12:25,610
as well. The first piece is really just this foundation of participating in the land use process.

1385
02:12:26,530 --> 02:12:34,530
The only thing I would add to Emma's comment is Commissioner Santeval, just a reminder,

1386
02:12:34,910 --> 02:12:42,570
goal one is largely direction to local governments about how they conduct their planning

1387
02:12:42,570 --> 02:12:53,990
business and to Emma and your point to focus on communities that have been left out of the process

1388
02:12:53,990 --> 02:13:03,210
historically, and to make sure that we are going to them in their communities and hearing directly

1389
02:13:04,150 --> 02:13:12,950
about their specific needs to correct these historical inequities. So you're exactly right.

1390
02:13:15,390 --> 02:13:23,010
You know, Palmer and Emma can probably speak more to this than I. But my sense is we started off with

1391
02:13:23,010 --> 02:13:32,130
climate goal. And then some groups really wanted to address equity. And I think that

1392
02:13:33,370 --> 02:13:41,010
my term, my opinion, the bill management process came off the rails, somewhere along the line.

1393
02:13:41,850 --> 02:13:48,450
And unfortunately, we didn't get up, we didn't end up with either one. And that's why I think it's

1394
02:13:48,450 --> 02:13:58,270
critical for us to bring this back up and frankly have a little bit more direct management with the governor's office in moving it forward.

1395
02:13:58,670 --> 02:14:00,950
Again, my personal opinion editorial.

1396
02:14:02,690 --> 02:14:10,250
So, if I might, this is Palmer, Chair MacArthur, so I agree with Jim's comment, director

1397
02:14:10,250 --> 02:14:15,930
Bruce comment, that the agency is probably going to have to lead more on this conversation

1398
02:14:16,710 --> 02:14:25,230
than we were able to do, so this session, although I do want to say perhaps it's somewhat

1399
02:14:27,490 --> 02:14:31,890
So, serving, but I do want to acknowledge we invested a great deal of time with the Department

1400
02:14:31,890 --> 02:14:37,390
staff and the Department as a whole in this effort to try to move not only in hospitals

1401
02:14:38,130 --> 02:14:43,210
2488, but also the money that to the credit of the government's office, they provided

1402
02:14:43,210 --> 02:14:44,850
in the government's recommended budget.

1403
02:14:47,510 --> 02:14:59,970
But Jim, our director of the ruse, right, I think there was an initial aspiration or intent to try to move a bill that was really much broader than vote.

1404
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:08,520
One, an equity, including climate, and the Bill of Conversations started late. This was a type of bill that

1405
02:15:08,520 --> 02:15:14,520
should have been talked about before session began, and that did not happen. So despite making

1406
02:15:14,520 --> 02:15:20,460
really, really, circulate in efforts, we couldn't really move this. By going forward, I think

1407
02:15:20,460 --> 02:15:26,000
DLCD and the Commission will have to really engage as Director Russo as a governor's office about

1408
02:15:26,000 --> 02:15:28,700
coming forward with, and this is my main point,

1409
02:15:28,880 --> 02:15:31,520
with the resources to do this work.

1410
02:15:32,060 --> 02:15:34,040
We spent so much time talking about the legislation,

1411
02:15:34,280 --> 02:15:35,860
and that would have been important,

1412
02:15:36,440 --> 02:15:37,960
and ideal to had it passed.

1413
02:15:38,360 --> 02:15:40,160
But what I think it's lost in the conversation

1414
02:15:40,160 --> 02:15:41,940
is, and what's really needed,

1415
02:15:42,280 --> 02:15:44,220
is the money to hire the staff,

1416
02:15:44,340 --> 02:15:46,660
to do the engagement, to do that outreach,

1417
02:15:47,620 --> 02:15:49,260
to if we're gonna rewrite the goal,

1418
02:15:49,380 --> 02:15:51,720
which isn't by the way the only option that we have,

1419
02:15:51,840 --> 02:15:53,940
but if we're gonna rewrite the goal,

1420
02:15:54,560 --> 02:16:01,440
go through the 10 public hearings and all the other extra processes that are required to rewrite a goal.

1421
02:16:02,460 --> 02:16:11,260
So that I think is, you know, my take away commissioner, son of ball, is it's finding the money to do the work that has in my mind,

1422
02:16:11,520 --> 02:16:17,420
in my opinion, the B-dolose important objective and that would be best served by having the governor's recommended budget,

1423
02:16:17,420 --> 02:16:24,300
Once again, ask the legislature for the money and then having a strategy to work with

1424
02:16:24,300 --> 02:16:28,380
not only the governor's office, but other stakeholders to try to have the legislature agree.

1425
02:16:30,280 --> 02:16:32,960
Thank you. Paul, we're vice-chair, Hallova.

1426
02:16:38,120 --> 02:16:39,140
You may be unneed.

1427
02:16:43,300 --> 02:16:49,140
Okay, can you hear me now? Yes. Yeah, I had switched my audio. I agree with everything everyone said.

1428
02:16:49,140 --> 02:17:01,440
My question is, is there could we change the the name of goal one, just do that and what would be the process for just just doing that?

1429
02:17:01,560 --> 02:17:06,920
Understanding, I believe in all the things that we actually need to do to the goal.

1430
02:17:08,040 --> 02:17:17,860
My understanding, yeah, yeah, my understanding is that if we wanted to change the name of the goal, it would still have to go through this kind of public hearing process.

1431
02:17:19,300 --> 02:17:24,600
So, if that were the case, then you know, we might as well make the other changes too.

1432
02:17:25,160 --> 02:17:25,800
Yeah, I get it.

1433
02:17:26,300 --> 02:17:27,820
Thank you.

1434
02:17:27,840 --> 02:17:29,540
I hope I go ahead.

1435
02:17:29,740 --> 02:17:30,940
I cut somebody off, I think.

1436
02:17:31,260 --> 02:17:32,780
No, go ahead, Palmer, and then I have a comment.

1437
02:17:32,900 --> 02:17:33,520
And there's somebody else.

1438
02:17:33,540 --> 02:17:34,080
There's a question.

1439
02:17:34,260 --> 02:17:34,680
But go ahead.

1440
02:17:35,420 --> 02:17:39,680
Well, since we're having this discussion, I think we would all agree,

1441
02:17:39,700 --> 02:17:41,420
rewriting the goal would be the best approach.

1442
02:17:41,560 --> 02:17:42,980
But I just want to lay out to the commission.

1443
02:17:43,180 --> 02:17:46,660
It's not the only option there is to make some substantive changes

1444
02:17:46,660 --> 02:17:52,900
and go on. The Department could go forward with a rulemaking. Again, we need the resources to support

1445
02:17:52,900 --> 02:17:58,120
that rulemaking, but we could go through a rulemaking, it would certainly be an involved rulemaking,

1446
02:17:58,300 --> 02:18:03,440
a complex rulemaking, but it wouldn't necessarily involve the process of the 10-experience and the

1447
02:18:03,440 --> 02:18:10,480
other analysis that are required for a goal rewrite. So there are other avenues if we want to move

1448
02:18:10,480 --> 02:18:20,660
forward on this issue and bringing goal on, you know, out of the 1970s and more and to this day and age.

1449
02:18:22,340 --> 02:18:33,520
I think you had a clarifying question about that. The goal language in my correct that it that the goal language itself is in statute along with the other statewide

1450
02:18:33,520 --> 02:18:41,400
clinicals, that's in statute so that would require going to, if we want to amend the language of the goal, that would require going to the legislature.

1451
02:18:42,880 --> 02:18:43,960
No commissioner.

1452
02:18:45,080 --> 02:18:46,300
Their chair excuse me.

1453
02:18:46,840 --> 02:18:47,540
This is fun again.

1454
02:18:48,380 --> 02:18:50,800
The goal language itself is not in statute.

1455
02:18:50,880 --> 02:18:55,020
It is rule language and it does require going through the rule making process.

1456
02:18:55,520 --> 02:19:01,400
What what Emma was referring to is the statute's dictate how the commission can go about a

1457
02:19:01,400 --> 02:19:04,600
ending updating or creating new goals.

1458
02:19:05,160 --> 02:19:07,160
And that's the process that she was talking about

1459
02:19:07,160 --> 02:19:08,420
with the 10 extra hearings.

1460
02:19:08,580 --> 02:19:11,420
There's other analysis that we're required to do.

1461
02:19:11,740 --> 02:19:15,000
It adds time and steps to the effort

1462
02:19:15,000 --> 02:19:17,860
to update any of the goals.

1463
02:19:18,560 --> 02:19:19,020
Great.

1464
02:19:19,140 --> 02:19:19,820
Thank you.

1465
02:19:20,160 --> 02:19:21,240
Appreciate that commissioner.

1466
02:19:21,680 --> 02:19:22,760
We'll need a lap.

1467
02:19:23,380 --> 02:19:23,980
Thank you, Chair MacArthur.

1468
02:19:24,320 --> 02:19:26,560
I'll just, just one brief comment is,

1469
02:19:27,100 --> 02:19:30,480
I, so genuinely appreciate the department's determination

1470
02:19:31,400 --> 02:19:35,960
to address this issue in some way with funding,

1471
02:19:36,740 --> 02:19:39,540
because it's essential for the climate-friendly

1472
02:19:39,540 --> 02:19:42,100
and equitable communities work to be implemented.

1473
02:19:43,660 --> 02:19:44,760
And these are all connected.

1474
02:19:45,400 --> 02:19:48,020
So I just, I really appreciate your determination to complete it.

1475
02:19:48,020 --> 02:19:50,380
And I'll just say, the other comment, I'll just say it now

1476
02:19:50,380 --> 02:19:52,920
because I work with Palmer and Emma so much

1477
02:19:52,920 --> 02:19:55,680
during the legislative session and after as I always do.

1478
02:19:56,060 --> 02:19:57,760
And you guys just do a phenomenal job.

1479
02:19:58,000 --> 02:19:58,860
And thank you so much.

1480
02:19:58,860 --> 02:19:59,700
to show responsibility.

1481
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:05,000
We need to planners around the state so helpful and professional. Thank you.

1482
02:20:06,100 --> 02:20:06,720
Thank you.

1483
02:20:07,000 --> 02:20:08,240
Yeah, thanks.

1484
02:20:09,040 --> 02:20:11,420
Deputy Director Green, you want to say something?

1485
02:20:11,720 --> 02:20:14,820
If I may term a curther of Vice Chair and Commissioners, here's some here.

1486
02:20:15,500 --> 02:20:22,940
I'm just two points. One, to amplify Commissioner Lee Lacks comment on the climate-friendly

1487
02:20:22,940 --> 02:20:27,000
and equitable communities rule making. I think Commissioner Sandovali would please to know that

1488
02:20:27,000 --> 02:20:31,640
Um, within that rule in Commissioner Warren and Commissioner Lee that I think leads on so that we'll

1489
02:20:31,640 --> 02:20:38,100
making effort. There is a mini process embedded that I think is a great model for both

1490
02:20:38,100 --> 02:20:43,180
spatial equity analysis and compelling communities to have community-based conversations with

1491
02:20:43,180 --> 02:20:50,000
ready populations in effect of areas. So there's a very shiny diamond in that rule that is going

1492
02:20:50,000 --> 02:20:55,780
to help help um, illuminate our way towards a larger effort and we'll be sort of a pilot process.

1493
02:20:55,780 --> 02:21:00,320
So you'll hear from lead planners on that,

1494
02:21:00,480 --> 02:21:03,820
Bill Holmes-Derman and team later in this commission agenda.

1495
02:21:04,420 --> 02:21:08,540
The second point is about that your new citizens

1496
02:21:08,540 --> 02:21:10,460
involvement advisory commission.

1497
02:21:12,140 --> 02:21:14,500
You will recall, and Commissioner Sandwell, I'm sorry,

1498
02:21:14,600 --> 02:21:15,580
this happened where you were out,

1499
02:21:15,660 --> 02:21:18,120
but you have an amazing new CIAAC.

1500
02:21:18,580 --> 02:21:21,140
A very diverse representative,

1501
02:21:21,300 --> 02:21:22,980
citizens involvement advisory committee.

1502
02:21:23,160 --> 02:21:25,200
And that name is actually all, that is,

1503
02:21:25,200 --> 02:21:31,820
statute, so we can't get away without a satisfactory change that's also possible, but I would

1504
02:21:31,820 --> 02:21:38,640
offer in addition to in respecting Paul Rengim's good guidance about really, really

1505
02:21:38,640 --> 02:21:44,560
resourcing this effort necessarily to do it correctly. This would be a major turning for the

1506
02:21:44,560 --> 02:21:51,900
state to improve sort of guidance and requirements around community engagement. But I would just say,

1507
02:21:51,900 --> 02:21:54,320
Please expect to see this on the policy agenda.

1508
02:21:54,720 --> 02:21:57,060
Sadie will be speaking to that and then Sadie and Palmer.

1509
02:21:57,640 --> 02:21:59,160
The policy office will be bringing that

1510
02:21:59,160 --> 02:22:01,140
public draft policy agenda to you in September.

1511
02:22:01,860 --> 02:22:03,120
Right now of course it's unfended,

1512
02:22:03,480 --> 02:22:05,560
but you can hear how you call it down,

1513
02:22:05,580 --> 02:22:07,700
how committed this staff are the issue of Palmer himself

1514
02:22:07,700 --> 02:22:10,640
personally spent dozens, if not hundreds of hours

1515
02:22:10,640 --> 02:22:12,120
on this issue during this session.

1516
02:22:12,800 --> 02:22:16,240
So we will make progress with your support.

1517
02:22:16,760 --> 02:22:19,780
It'll be probably a low level stoping initially

1518
02:22:19,780 --> 02:22:21,140
with that CIEC.

1519
02:22:21,140 --> 02:22:28,460
So you can have that amazing resource of the CIEC to begin to work on this effort.

1520
02:22:28,500 --> 02:22:31,960
You have a CIEC that's interested in any of them applied, knowing that this would

1521
02:22:31,960 --> 02:22:33,340
possibly be work they'd be doing.

1522
02:22:34,080 --> 02:22:38,620
So I would just suggest not to forget that CIEC is a resource as we look through those options

1523
02:22:38,620 --> 02:22:43,560
that Palmer mentioned, getting ready for the governor's recommended budget and a legislative request.

1524
02:22:43,740 --> 02:22:48,380
But I think even in doing this scoping, we can have some good conversations about what

1525
02:22:48,380 --> 02:22:50,380
the options are and how to accomplish these goals.

1526
02:22:50,380 --> 02:22:57,440
Thank you. Thank you, Kirsten. That's a really good reminder of that great group that we met at the March meeting.

1527
02:22:58,200 --> 02:22:59,460
So, or they guess I've seen you the main meeting.

1528
02:23:00,360 --> 02:23:07,480
And I do think we need a conversation about this in an intend to have a conversation about this in the context of the policy agenda.

1529
02:23:08,280 --> 02:23:19,060
I'm wondering if we can consider that asking the decision involved in advisory committee to scope out short term and longer term.

1530
02:23:23,040 --> 02:23:31,340
response because the longer term might very well be going to the legislature and getting money for a robust rule making effort and things like that.

1531
02:23:31,620 --> 02:23:36,060
A short term effort might be something like issuing best practices.

1532
02:23:36,700 --> 02:23:41,660
Not that we can require that because it's not actually rule making, but if we if we need resources to get to rule making.

1533
02:23:41,660 --> 02:24:09,020
I would encourage that CIAC to think about short term options so we can hit the ground running and lay the ground work for some of the engagement that has to happen in everything we're doing now and not have to wait for a couple years and we can talk offline to see if that's even appropriate to have that community do that, but we just think we need to, I don't want to wait for more years so we might get money or a year until we might get money if there's, if there's some things we can do now.

1534
02:24:12,000 --> 02:24:28,560
So I don't see anyone else wanting to comment on this particular aspect, but I'm thanks for raising the issue, it's really an important issue and I think we should schedule more time for discussion on this perhaps with a couple of the CIAC members in September.

1535
02:24:35,250 --> 02:24:35,730
Okay,

1536
02:24:38,010 --> 02:24:39,290
I will move on to wildfires.

1537
02:24:41,600 --> 02:24:43,060
So, yes, so let's do that.

1538
02:24:43,240 --> 02:24:44,780
Palmer again here.

1539
02:24:46,380 --> 02:24:48,460
Well, I don't need to really say it to the commission.

1540
02:24:48,960 --> 02:24:51,100
You all talked about it earlier when director Rue,

1541
02:24:51,260 --> 02:24:55,120
that how much the wildfires of last year have galvanized action,

1542
02:24:55,400 --> 02:24:57,200
including action in the legislature,

1543
02:24:57,560 --> 02:24:59,760
and it led to Senate Bill.

1544
02:25:01,420 --> 02:25:07,820
662. It was one of the last pieces of legislation, at least major legislation, to be negotiated by a legislature.

1545
02:25:09,260 --> 02:25:16,560
And while I think the feeling in the Capitol was always that something would pass, there were moments when we weren't quite so sure.

1546
02:25:17,180 --> 02:25:25,640
But the legislature did deliver on this omnibus bill. It touches many facets of wildfire suppression, mitigation and prevention.

1547
02:25:27,420 --> 02:25:32,980
I'm going to really try to focus mostly on the land use piece, which is section 11 of the bill,

1548
02:25:33,420 --> 02:25:37,820
part that's most relevant to us, although I'm going to mention work by forestry and that

1549
02:25:37,820 --> 02:25:46,580
apartment or the Office of State Farm Marshall as well. So section 11 directs that apartment

1550
02:25:47,560 --> 02:25:54,800
to present a legislative report back to the legislature as of October 1 of next year. So October 1,

1551
02:25:54,800 --> 02:26:12,880
22 that broadly speaking requires the department to recommend how to incorporate wildfire risk mapping into the statewide planning program and local comprehensive plans and zoning codes.

1552
02:26:13,420 --> 02:26:21,540
We are also directed to look at how wildfire risk minimization could be incorporated into those same programs.

1553
02:26:23,700 --> 02:26:30,920
And in addition to asking us to look at those policy issues of wild virus mapping and wild

1554
02:26:30,920 --> 02:26:36,560
virus minimization, we're also asked to look at the appropriate level or adequate level

1555
02:26:36,560 --> 02:26:40,900
of state and local resources to implement that work.

1556
02:26:41,080 --> 02:26:47,280
So there's a financial component to the legislative report as well.

1557
02:26:48,460 --> 02:26:55,440
One step that was added in the bill is a review of the department's report by a new

1558
02:26:55,440 --> 02:26:56,800
entity in the governor's office.

1559
02:26:57,080 --> 02:27:00,980
It's the wildfire program coordination advisory council.

1560
02:27:01,020 --> 02:27:02,280
I think I have that right.

1561
02:27:03,340 --> 02:27:09,300
And which will be led by a new position in the governor's office of a wildfire program coordinator.

1562
02:27:10,160 --> 02:27:16,860
They have an opportunity by December of next year to make additional recommendations on land use.

1563
02:27:16,860 --> 02:27:19,700
following the issuance of our report.

1564
02:27:20,580 --> 02:27:23,480
So all of that will lead to a robust conversation

1565
02:27:23,480 --> 02:27:26,200
in the next long session at the Capitol.

1566
02:27:26,540 --> 02:27:31,400
So the 2023 session about what kind of policies,

1567
02:27:32,340 --> 02:27:36,960
the legislature wants to see around land use and wildfires

1568
02:27:36,960 --> 02:27:40,380
and what kind of resources will be needed

1569
02:27:40,380 --> 02:27:44,000
to support changes at the LCD and any other state agencies

1570
02:27:44,000 --> 02:27:45,560
as well as local governments.

1571
02:27:47,240 --> 02:27:49,860
There's a whole lot more I could say about this bill,

1572
02:27:50,240 --> 02:27:54,380
but I wanted to focus on that part most importantly.

1573
02:27:55,540 --> 02:27:58,860
I would mention though that work by the Department of Forestry

1574
02:27:58,860 --> 02:28:02,560
around defining the Wildland Urban Interface,

1575
02:28:02,760 --> 02:28:04,760
the Louis that you all talked a little bit about,

1576
02:28:04,800 --> 02:28:06,680
what director Ru is a key step,

1577
02:28:06,700 --> 02:28:10,540
and that is happening here very shortly in the next couple of months

1578
02:28:10,540 --> 02:28:11,780
by the Department of Forestry.

1579
02:28:11,780 --> 02:28:21,760
we will be participating in that rule-making advisory process and then forestry will develop the state

1580
02:28:21,760 --> 02:28:29,460
wildfire risk maps which will have five categories of risk and that mapping will be done as a

1581
02:28:29,460 --> 02:28:35,560
June next year and will be central to the land use recommendations that we make in October.

1582
02:28:36,560 --> 02:28:46,500
Also, I would mention the Office of State Fire Marshall is developing and it's a shift of responsibility from the Department of Forestry to the Office of State Fire Marshall.

1583
02:28:48,020 --> 02:28:57,520
I would say a complete shift. There's Office of State Fire Marshall has had some responsibility for defining and protecting structures through the use of defensible space requirements.

1584
02:28:57,520 --> 02:29:27,340
But really, the legislature may policy shift to turn that, basically, over to the office state farm hospital and in the role that the Department of Forestry had in that, and they will develop a new role as a December of next year, December 22, that will outline those statewide defense space requirements, and that will be another huge issue that will influence what legislative recommendations we will be making the timings a little off.

1585
02:29:27,520 --> 02:29:34,420
their work is final after our report goes in but hopefully we'll have enough of an idea about

1586
02:29:34,420 --> 02:29:39,360
where that's headed and what kind of nexus land use could should have that issue to have

1587
02:29:39,360 --> 02:29:44,100
a set of recommendations for the legislature to debate the following January.

1588
02:29:47,200 --> 02:29:52,480
Then there I will mention and I did mention briefly again the policy option package 113 we were

1589
02:29:52,480 --> 02:29:56,140
grateful to see the legislature upon this. This was actually not something that was in the

1590
02:29:56,140 --> 02:29:59,580
I'm just recommended by it, but again, it includes a permanent position.

1591
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:10,680
To support the work that I just talked about, this legislative report and our efforts to support the Department of Forestry and the Office of State Farm, Marshall and their work.

1592
02:30:11,620 --> 02:30:17,180
So I'll stop and see if there are any questions. This is a pretty important piece of legislation.

1593
02:30:24,250 --> 02:30:28,190
Thanks, Palmer. Any questions from commissioners on wildfire legislation?

1594
02:30:29,350 --> 02:30:36,110
Chair McArthur, yeah, thank you, I just state that whoever you hire for that position for the

1595
02:30:36,110 --> 02:30:41,470
wildfire position may be a regular at Association of Oregon counties and finding directors

1596
02:30:41,470 --> 02:30:46,350
meetings just given the interaction with counties and on the implementation and the rules,

1597
02:30:46,930 --> 02:30:50,590
so much coordination to make sure it's implemented as intended.

1598
02:30:55,420 --> 02:31:01,120
Thanks, Frank. There aren't any other questions. I'll move on to some of the other bills.

1599
02:31:01,120 --> 02:31:09,220
These other two bills fall in the category of, I call wildfire rebuild bills, helping people

1600
02:31:09,220 --> 02:31:16,600
who were affected by last summer's wildfires, rebuild their communities, their businesses

1601
02:31:16,600 --> 02:31:24,960
and their homes. I'll start with House Bill 289. This is an optional process for property

1602
02:31:24,960 --> 02:31:32,740
honors to rebuild both residential and non-residential structures, they don't need to avail themselves

1603
02:31:32,740 --> 02:31:37,820
of this bill, they can go through the existing permitting process, but this is intended to be a

1604
02:31:37,820 --> 02:31:46,300
streamlined process to allow those fire impact communities to rebuild essentially what they had before.

1605
02:31:47,240 --> 02:31:54,720
There are some limitations on how much people could expand, say a residential dwelling or where

1606
02:31:54,720 --> 02:32:02,780
they could relocate that dwelling on the parcel, but it's largely intended to help people rebuild

1607
02:32:02,780 --> 02:32:09,600
what they had. We do, we were able to work after quite a bit of effort to make sure that when

1608
02:32:09,600 --> 02:32:19,600
people rebuild structures that they do follow current and even updated federal floodplain regulations

1609
02:32:19,600 --> 02:32:21,980
and so that communities can maintain the participation

1610
02:32:21,980 --> 02:32:23,740
of the National Flood Insurance Program.

1611
02:32:25,440 --> 02:32:28,020
So there aren't any questions on that bill

1612
02:32:28,020 --> 02:32:31,060
I'll move on to Senate Bill 405.

1613
02:32:31,340 --> 02:32:35,060
Basically, Senate Bill 405, again, focusing on the communities

1614
02:32:35,060 --> 02:32:37,500
who are impacted by the fires last summer,

1615
02:32:37,620 --> 02:32:43,500
is a bill that states that while a emergency order

1616
02:32:43,500 --> 02:32:46,820
federal state or local was in place around the wildfires

1617
02:32:46,820 --> 02:32:50,700
that had some limitation on a non-conforming use,

1618
02:32:50,880 --> 02:32:54,180
that non-conforming uses not legally considered abandoned

1619
02:32:54,180 --> 02:32:55,060
or interrupted.

1620
02:32:55,440 --> 02:32:57,860
And it would allow that property under

1621
02:32:57,860 --> 02:33:02,880
to continue that non-conforming use without any effects

1622
02:33:02,880 --> 02:33:05,860
beyond, once the order is ended.

1623
02:33:09,240 --> 02:33:10,560
If there aren't any questions on those,

1624
02:33:10,680 --> 02:33:12,220
I guess, Emily, we move on to housing.

1625
02:33:12,880 --> 02:33:15,060
Well, I have a couple questions.

1626
02:33:15,200 --> 02:33:15,840
Why have one question?

1627
02:33:15,840 --> 02:33:26,220
And so on the, I think it was House Bill 2289, the idea of rebuilding makes a lot of sense

1628
02:33:26,220 --> 02:33:27,280
for those folks.

1629
02:33:29,120 --> 02:33:35,860
If a home is currently outside of an urban growth boundary,

1630
02:33:38,380 --> 02:33:39,260
does the law still apply?

1631
02:33:39,420 --> 02:33:42,920
They go ahead and go ahead and they can build that even if it was a non-conforming use.

1632
02:33:42,920 --> 02:33:45,600
Maybe I missed your description of that. I apologize.

1633
02:33:49,180 --> 02:33:57,120
I'll say this chair of my god third. First of all, there's no limitation on whether the these are structures inside or outside the UGB.

1634
02:33:59,080 --> 02:34:09,200
So if you had a dwelling that was in one of those wildfire impacted communities with some caveats which I'll talk about in a moment or a non-residential structure,

1635
02:34:09,200 --> 02:34:13,160
you can rebuild again without regard to the UGB.

1636
02:34:13,880 --> 02:34:17,240
The question is whether, if it's a non-residential structure,

1637
02:34:17,480 --> 02:34:22,340
was it previously allowed or did it predate the land-use rules?

1638
02:34:22,720 --> 02:34:26,900
If it falls in those categories, it can largely be rebuilt.

1639
02:34:28,640 --> 02:34:34,000
If it's a dwelling, it can be restored or rebuilt.

1640
02:34:34,140 --> 02:34:38,240
If it was authorized by a building permit or some other legal approval,

1641
02:34:38,240 --> 02:34:51,540
or the structure was assessed as of July 1, 2021. So going back roughly 20 years. If you

1642
02:34:51,540 --> 02:34:58,140
fell in either of those categories, you could largely rebuild what you had. Okay thank you

1643
02:34:58,140 --> 02:34:59,680
That's helpful. I appreciate it.

1644
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:05,820
Thank you for your questions for Paul Marthink. Deputy Director Green, you had your hand up earlier, and I made it.

1645
02:35:08,910 --> 02:35:08,910
Okay.

1646
02:35:09,190 --> 02:35:12,830
Let's start things if it was hanging out there. It was an important, sorry. Thanks to Mr. McArthur.

1647
02:35:13,850 --> 02:35:17,250
Let's thank you. Paul, what's the one to housing in Emma?

1648
02:35:20,430 --> 02:35:23,870
All right. Actually, I think, Palmer is going to...

1649
02:35:23,870 --> 02:35:25,310
Yeah, I think I start these, you're not sorry.

1650
02:35:25,770 --> 02:35:26,810
No, you're good.

1651
02:35:27,290 --> 02:35:31,630
Yeah, yeah. So we've talked quite a bit about Houseville 2006.

1652
02:35:31,630 --> 02:35:36,570
So, but a brief recap, this is a bill that was a priority of speaker co-tech.

1653
02:35:36,830 --> 02:35:44,730
This is a bill that requires local governments to grant approval for emergency housing shelters

1654
02:35:44,730 --> 02:35:46,810
in their communities.

1655
02:35:47,350 --> 02:35:50,650
There are some limitations, or some limitations.

1656
02:35:50,670 --> 02:35:57,270
There are some criteria that the shelter has to meet in order to be able to use this statute

1657
02:35:57,270 --> 02:35:58,770
and be granted the approvals.

1658
02:35:59,750 --> 02:36:08,950
There are certain requirements around the facilities that are available, the fact that

1659
02:36:08,950 --> 02:36:14,930
it cannot be in an area that's affected by natural hazards unless it is built to those regulations.

1660
02:36:15,670 --> 02:36:20,790
It does have to be within an urban growth boundary or in an area's own rural residential,

1661
02:36:21,170 --> 02:36:22,870
can't be outside of those areas.

1662
02:36:23,610 --> 02:36:32,450
And so there's some other requirements like that, but it largely allows those who provide emergency

1663
02:36:32,450 --> 02:36:38,750
shelter to people experiencing homelessness to get the approval to build their facilities.

1664
02:36:40,930 --> 02:36:44,410
And I'll just kind of go through these bills and if there's questions, you can either stop

1665
02:36:44,410 --> 02:36:46,450
as I go, or we'll be taking that the end.

1666
02:36:46,570 --> 02:36:54,790
So moving on to House Bill 2160, you all recall over the last couple of sessions.

1667
02:36:55,750 --> 02:37:02,090
The legislature has allowed a couple of specific cities, mainly bend and see red men to be

1668
02:37:02,090 --> 02:37:08,770
granted an additional 50 acres beyond their UGB to allow for mostly affordable housing.

1669
02:37:09,390 --> 02:37:12,810
That's not entirely 100% of affordable housing development.

1670
02:37:12,810 --> 02:37:28,030
But it's mostly centered around affordable housing as a pilot project approach to looking at whether that does really encourage more affordable housing and how that will work out in terms of our other resource values and things.

1671
02:37:28,670 --> 02:37:37,030
That legislation which came in 2016 in the commission approved over time applications for those two cities.

1672
02:37:37,430 --> 02:37:43,890
This bill here, Hospital 2160, adds the city of Pendleton to that list of pilot projects cities.

1673
02:37:43,930 --> 02:37:47,650
The city of Pendleton will have to come with an application to the commission.

1674
02:37:48,350 --> 02:37:54,770
But in theory it allows the city of Pendleton to be approved for their own 50 acre expansion.

1675
02:37:55,750 --> 02:38:19,830
Moving on to House Bill 3155, this is a bill that makes clear that our metro cities actually have to do the housing needs analysis updates that were required as of House Bill 2003 in 2019 and once those are done and they show a need that those communities will adopt housing production strategies.

1676
02:38:19,830 --> 02:38:25,770
There were some carryover old language about what Metro's responsibilities were

1677
02:38:25,770 --> 02:38:31,610
Metro Regional Governor's responsibilities, so it wasn't clear at least, you know, 100%

1678
02:38:31,610 --> 02:38:36,390
fashion that those Metro cities actually had to follow through on those H&A updates and

1679
02:38:36,390 --> 02:38:41,550
housing pressure strategies, so we worked with Metro, several cities including the city of

1680
02:38:41,550 --> 02:38:48,090
Portland, Hillsborough, to clarify that Metro cities would indeed do that.

1681
02:38:48,090 --> 02:38:53,290
Another thing that we were able to add to this legislation that was a priority of the

1682
02:38:53,290 --> 02:39:00,170
department is we wanted to make it clear in statute that cities under 10,000, which right now

1683
02:39:00,170 --> 02:39:06,610
are not required to do housing needs and else to update or housing production strategies that

1684
02:39:06,610 --> 02:39:11,590
they could at their options, it's not required, but at their option they could do those things.

1685
02:39:11,590 --> 02:39:28,930
And by putting this in statute as an option, we made it clear now that the department can fund, again, if the city's options work by smaller cities to do H&A updates and housing production strategies and we felt like this is important.

1686
02:39:29,650 --> 02:39:36,870
I know something the commission knows but we felt like we needed to make the case of legislature that smaller cities are experiencing housing shortages too.

1687
02:39:36,870 --> 02:39:41,130
And they need those tools and they really need that funding from the department.

1688
02:39:41,430 --> 02:39:46,770
So we were successful in making that change in statute and thinking that up with the funding.

1689
02:39:47,070 --> 02:39:50,370
So we will be able to support now smaller cities and those efforts.

1690
02:39:51,790 --> 02:39:59,950
House Bill 3261 is a bill that passed that requires cities to approve the conversion of hotels.

1691
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:19,400
e-mails and motels to either emergency shelters or to affordable housing units. It doesn't require an expansion of the footprint of the structure of the hotel motel, but it does allow the property owner to change the number of units within the structure.

1692
02:40:19,960 --> 02:40:26,700
There are some limitations, these are only within urban growth boundaries, and the structure

1693
02:40:26,700 --> 02:40:31,000
does have to meet the standards for protection against natural hazards.

1694
02:40:33,980 --> 02:40:39,800
So I think Emma, your covering that you've already talked about, house bill 5,000 and 6,

1695
02:40:39,800 --> 02:40:41,220
but I don't know if you wanted to add anything.

1696
02:40:42,620 --> 02:40:44,380
Yeah, I don't have anything to add.

1697
02:40:44,500 --> 02:40:48,380
I mean, it's just here, you know, so we can see all of the housing work.

1698
02:40:49,260 --> 02:40:53,300
But I can, I can talk about some of the Senate bill eight.

1699
02:40:54,800 --> 02:40:57,340
This, we've discussed this bill before.

1700
02:40:58,280 --> 02:41:01,480
It was brought forth by a Senate President Courtney,

1701
02:41:02,320 --> 02:41:06,680
and it's a bill that essentially restricts local governments

1702
02:41:06,680 --> 02:41:11,580
from denying or limiting approval of affordable housing projects.

1703
02:41:13,260 --> 02:41:15,500
There are some stipulations there,

1704
02:41:15,500 --> 02:41:19,220
so that it restricts development on land

1705
02:41:19,220 --> 02:41:22,880
that's zone for industrial use to properties

1706
02:41:22,880 --> 02:41:27,460
that are either publicly owned and adjacent to lands

1707
02:41:27,460 --> 02:41:30,220
that are either residential or school uses.

1708
02:41:31,360 --> 02:41:33,940
And also prohibits any affordable housing development

1709
02:41:33,940 --> 02:41:37,340
on lands that are designated as heavy industrial use.

1710
02:41:39,320 --> 02:41:41,160
So that's kind of the basics of it.

1711
02:41:41,360 --> 02:41:43,440
You'll probably also hear about this bill

1712
02:41:43,440 --> 02:41:46,800
from city on the next agenda item regarding

1713
02:41:46,800 --> 02:41:48,400
kind of forming rulemaking.

1714
02:41:50,280 --> 02:41:53,560
So, any questions about that one?

1715
02:41:54,680 --> 02:41:55,300
Thank you.

1716
02:41:55,400 --> 02:41:58,120
Any questions about housing for commissioners?

1717
02:42:00,530 --> 02:42:01,550
I think for sure a little bit.

1718
02:42:02,030 --> 02:42:03,230
Yeah, yeah, she may be on mute.

1719
02:42:05,370 --> 02:42:06,030
Vice Chair.

1720
02:42:07,410 --> 02:42:10,090
When I go from my headset to my computer, sorry.

1721
02:42:11,910 --> 02:42:13,290
I had a question on the Senate bill eight.

1722
02:42:13,290 --> 02:42:24,430
I was concerned at first when I had read about it, particularly with the industrial lands and the need for industrial land preservation in many cases.

1723
02:42:25,390 --> 02:42:28,370
So I was happy to hear those kind of qualifiers that you mentioned.

1724
02:42:28,750 --> 02:42:38,470
I guess the question is, once housing goes in those spots, does it then kind of start to encroach because you say, like, now we've made housing.

1725
02:42:38,470 --> 02:42:42,250
And now that not next to it, we'll say, and now I'm adjacent to residential.

1726
02:42:42,590 --> 02:42:47,570
So I can have housing, and now I'm adjacent and it just kind of erodes the industrial zoning.

1727
02:42:47,950 --> 02:42:50,470
I was just curious if anybody has any thoughts on that.

1728
02:42:54,540 --> 02:42:55,500
Go ahead.

1729
02:42:55,700 --> 02:42:55,900
Go ahead, you know.

1730
02:42:57,560 --> 02:42:59,520
I think it's a great question.

1731
02:42:59,660 --> 02:43:06,280
I guess when Emma was about to say, we did, we did participate a little bit in this bill.

1732
02:43:06,420 --> 02:43:08,080
We made some clarifying changes.

1733
02:43:08,080 --> 02:43:16,060
But we didn't as an agency engage a lot on the policy side and that is a legitimate policy issue.

1734
02:43:16,520 --> 02:43:24,540
You raised there. The bill doesn't prohibit local governments from trying to address maybe through

1735
02:43:24,540 --> 02:43:31,260
citing criteria and other things, like the effect that more residential structures

1736
02:43:31,260 --> 02:43:37,860
of budding industrial in my half. So there's some latitude for local governments to look at that,

1737
02:43:39,060 --> 02:43:45,240
but those encroachment issues, that could be a problem, you know, a certain counties, particularly.

1738
02:43:46,240 --> 02:43:52,960
Yeah, and I'll tell you where my concern comes from. I think having industrial in close proximity

1739
02:43:52,960 --> 02:44:01,160
to downtowns to affordable housing is really important, especially if we're talking about

1740
02:44:01,160 --> 02:44:06,520
citing affordable housing in climate-friendly areas. A lot of times these industrial areas are also

1741
02:44:06,520 --> 02:44:13,240
in those areas, and so the idea of kind of getting rid of all your core industrial land essentially

1742
02:44:13,240 --> 02:44:23,180
pushes those jobs more or more low wage jobs out, causing a commute issue, and so retaining

1743
02:44:23,180 --> 02:44:29,220
that kind of connection between lower wage jobs and housing and transit, I think is important

1744
02:44:29,220 --> 02:44:36,680
for climate and then also for lowering the cost of the actual affordability for people of

1745
02:44:36,680 --> 02:44:44,480
income. So I'm always like a big proponent of industrial land preservation for that reason.

1746
02:44:46,820 --> 02:44:51,400
Yeah, all good points. Other commissioners.

1747
02:44:54,230 --> 02:44:56,630
I forgot to mention a lot of those industrial

1748
02:44:56,630 --> 02:44:59,690
lands are really enticing to the market rate developers.

1749
02:45:00,300 --> 02:45:29,220
And I feel there could be some kind of moves made where it's like, oh, we have 20% of our uses are affordable. Can we redevelop these choice industrial lands? And that it'll be sort of like a back behind the doorway of taking over those lands for other purposes by using a kind of affordable, affordable housing as kind of a smoke screen or something to that effect. So I just thought I should say all those concerns in relation to this.

1750
02:45:29,220 --> 02:45:32,660
Yeah, very, very good thoughts.

1751
02:45:33,880 --> 02:45:44,340
I have a question about how spill, I think it's 2016 to one that allows Pendleton to pursue an application for affordable housing under a pilot project.

1752
02:45:44,340 --> 02:45:45,520
Is that the one?

1753
02:45:46,320 --> 02:45:55,260
So, I was around quite a while ago when the legislature compelled us to do a role-making on the pilot to begin with.

1754
02:45:55,260 --> 02:45:58,380
that PIV initially was for one community.

1755
02:45:58,580 --> 02:46:01,340
And then the next session, we added another community.

1756
02:46:01,760 --> 02:46:04,480
And then now this session, another community,

1757
02:46:04,560 --> 02:46:06,560
two legislative action is being added.

1758
02:46:07,500 --> 02:46:09,140
And it might very well be that there

1759
02:46:09,140 --> 02:46:11,260
was really good results from all of those.

1760
02:46:12,320 --> 02:46:14,580
I would like to have a conversation not now,

1761
02:46:14,880 --> 02:46:17,960
but perhaps in September, or just perhaps just with you know,

1762
02:46:17,980 --> 02:46:22,700
policy staff and the legislative stuff.

1763
02:46:22,740 --> 02:46:24,880
I kind of wondered that's the right tool.

1764
02:46:25,620 --> 02:46:30,600
So since this is going to be happening, I suspect, in the regular basis, with this particular

1765
02:46:30,600 --> 02:46:34,120
piece of legislation, and then we're making on our part.

1766
02:46:35,540 --> 02:46:37,220
I just kind of wonder about that.

1767
02:46:37,220 --> 02:46:41,900
The mechanics of that is sort of creates halves and have not, so for the example of like

1768
02:46:41,900 --> 02:46:47,420
Pendleton had resources to go to legislature and connections to the legislature and

1769
02:46:47,420 --> 02:46:48,640
afford them this opportunity.

1770
02:46:48,900 --> 02:46:52,660
And it might be very well produced good housing, so I'm not objecting to the idea.

1771
02:46:52,660 --> 02:47:01,160
But what about those smaller communities that might want to use the tool, but don't have the connection with the legislature and the money to pursue that to be able to do that?

1772
02:47:01,820 --> 02:47:15,960
So I'm just kind of wondering if we should be thinking about longer term, how we might modify if this is an effective tool and just really producing middle income housing in areas that we need to be.

1773
02:47:15,960 --> 02:47:31,160
Is there a way for us to modify our rules to just allow for that and give us the ability to put side bars and on it and not have the legislature keep reaching in and giving us specific examples of what we should be doing.

1774
02:47:31,420 --> 02:47:33,660
Anyway, just so if you thought.

1775
02:47:34,400 --> 02:47:34,740
And chair.

1776
02:47:35,360 --> 02:47:35,740
Yes.

1777
02:47:35,740 --> 02:48:02,840
My concern, which is similar to the one before, it's hacked onto this issue, is that, you know, the urban growth boundary gets expanded with this idea. Oh, we're providing affordable housing and like what percentage of that land is actually affordable housing and using the idea of affordable housing is kind of a way to cover what might, I'm not saying that these cases are like that, but, you know, market rate developers wanting to do market rate housing and

1778
02:48:03,640 --> 02:48:10,040
on developed land versus increasing density in urban cores, which I think we all agree, that's where we have to go.

1779
02:48:10,660 --> 02:48:17,560
So there has to be some pressures to cause one to decide to redevelop an urban core.

1780
02:48:17,720 --> 02:48:24,280
And if we make it easy, not to, then developers, I know, we always take the faculty's resistance.

1781
02:48:24,280 --> 02:48:31,500
And so I can find my chair to to vice chair.

1782
02:48:31,740 --> 02:48:32,600
Hello, this point.

1783
02:48:33,300 --> 02:48:41,720
If you remember the bend housing affordable housing proposal that you approved as a result

1784
02:48:41,720 --> 02:48:44,900
of special legislation, it was on the French.

1785
02:48:46,460 --> 02:48:53,580
I don't know exactly where the the penultense site is.

1786
02:48:53,580 --> 02:48:56,820
But this came out of this flurry,

1787
02:48:57,480 --> 02:48:59,600
came out of some initial legislation

1788
02:48:59,600 --> 02:49:04,760
that a rep start from the Rogue Valley proposed back

1789
02:49:04,760 --> 02:49:10,600
and probably 17 specifically to take advantage

1790
02:49:10,600 --> 02:49:14,720
of lower land prices on the fringe

1791
02:49:14,720 --> 02:49:17,720
or even outside of the UGB.

1792
02:49:18,280 --> 02:49:23,020
So this is a really important issue for two reasons.

1793
02:49:23,580 --> 02:49:34,800
The legislature should not be seen as the state's planning commission to approve these one-off or two-off kinds of projects.

1794
02:49:35,580 --> 02:49:46,060
And secondly, to Vice Chair Hullova's point, we're potentially getting housing in the exactly the wrong place.

1795
02:49:47,410 --> 02:49:48,090
Yeah.

1796
02:49:49,490 --> 02:49:50,170
Yeah.

1797
02:49:50,390 --> 02:49:51,290
Chairman Garza, this is Palmer.

1798
02:49:51,590 --> 02:49:51,830
Yes.

1799
02:49:51,970 --> 02:49:59,730
We can work with Director Ruin, Deputy Director Green, and...

1800
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:22,800
Public Audent Howard, Community Services Planning, Community Services Division, Manager to bring back a presentation in September, because this is really a question more for that division than the policy office, where we're happy to participate in the conversation and we certainly can share the legislative perspective on this issue.

1801
02:50:23,360 --> 02:50:27,080
And I'll just make the comment that this won't be surprised, I think,

1802
02:50:27,260 --> 02:50:31,240
to anybody on the commission, because housing is an existential crisis,

1803
02:50:31,420 --> 02:50:33,320
at least that's how the legislature sees it.

1804
02:50:33,520 --> 02:50:38,140
They will not resist the impulse to do the things that we're talking about.

1805
02:50:38,420 --> 02:50:42,580
So the more that we can think about, you know,

1806
02:50:42,680 --> 02:50:47,200
trying to at least engage the conversation around when it might make sense for

1807
02:50:47,200 --> 02:50:53,240
our UGB expansions for housing and I wouldn't love it to just support a housing.

1808
02:50:54,340 --> 02:50:58,040
It might be helpful for us to be thinking about that, because the legislature has

1809
02:50:58,040 --> 02:51:01,240
kind of continued to step into this role.

1810
02:51:01,900 --> 02:51:06,500
They just, there's too much of, as they perceive in a need at the local level.

1811
02:51:07,680 --> 02:51:07,840
Yeah.

1812
02:51:08,420 --> 02:51:09,500
Excellent points, Father.

1813
02:51:10,520 --> 02:51:15,680
We should probably continue on with our, with energy resource lands and coasts, so I'm sorry,

1814
02:51:15,680 --> 02:51:16,920
we took so much time in the first ones.

1815
02:51:16,920 --> 02:51:18,420
but they're all really interesting topics.

1816
02:51:20,940 --> 02:51:24,640
Yeah, we can definitely be quick on these next ones.

1817
02:51:25,300 --> 02:51:32,120
For energy, hospital 2109, you were all familiar with this was Jill City's bill that provided

1818
02:51:32,120 --> 02:51:39,720
a fix so that counties won't need reimbursement for measure 56 notices related to renewable

1819
02:51:39,720 --> 02:51:40,780
energy facilities.

1820
02:51:40,780 --> 02:51:46,600
The one thing I'll just say is that this past without any issues or concerns from any legislators

1821
02:51:47,580 --> 02:51:53,190
Honestly, it was a really good example of good government work to avoid unnecessary spending. So yeah

1822
02:51:54,960 --> 02:51:58,700
So yeah, I'll leave it at that for that one and I'll let all my touch

1823
02:51:59,820 --> 02:52:02,500
Yeah, so house bill 25 20 is

1824
02:52:02,500 --> 02:52:10,280
And as indicated the bills in our under ones that did not pass so this one didn't pass this was a bill that would have directed the commission

1825
02:52:10,280 --> 02:52:18,500
to adopt a rule, specifying the reasons for granting exceptions for renewable energy facilities

1826
02:52:18,500 --> 02:52:25,640
in those lands which would really have been outside of UGB where our current goals and rules

1827
02:52:25,640 --> 02:52:33,360
don't allow the siding of those type of facilities. And this was a product of, I was really an

1828
02:52:33,360 --> 02:52:40,620
I'll turn it that developed out of conversations with several legislators and the renewable

1829
02:52:40,620 --> 02:52:46,220
energy industry as well as the long, as well as the other key stakeholders like the Oregon

1830
02:52:46,220 --> 02:52:51,960
Farm Bureau and a thousand friends and the Association of Oregon counties to revising

1831
02:52:51,960 --> 02:52:56,620
goal 13 to address the siding of renewable energy facilities.

1832
02:52:57,440 --> 02:53:05,540
Building pass, as I said, but this issue of the status of goal 13 and how it, you know,

1833
02:53:05,580 --> 02:53:10,640
the renewable energy industry, we are able to need to be updated to reflect more in-state

1834
02:53:10,640 --> 02:53:17,520
production of renewable energy and how you balance that with the resource values and try to honor

1835
02:53:17,520 --> 02:53:19,980
our planning process is going to be an ongoing conversation.

1836
02:53:19,980 --> 02:53:27,560
So, this was the first salvo and what will be a long, long conversation, and I guess I'll

1837
02:53:27,560 --> 02:53:28,500
sleep at that.

1838
02:53:29,580 --> 02:53:32,060
Thank you, Commissioner Jacobs and you had your hand up.

1839
02:53:36,290 --> 02:53:37,910
If I did, that was a complete accident.

1840
02:53:38,250 --> 02:53:39,350
Sorry about that.

1841
02:53:39,630 --> 02:53:40,690
Okay, thank you.

1842
02:53:41,830 --> 02:53:46,790
So, I continue on with energy your resourceland.

1843
02:53:47,750 --> 02:53:48,030
Great.

1844
02:53:49,330 --> 02:53:53,670
Senate Bill 3 and anyone, this is another one that we'll get mentioned in the next agenda item.

1845
02:53:53,670 --> 02:54:00,870
I'm starting to inform you we're making, this is a bill that will allow counties to authorize

1846
02:54:00,870 --> 02:54:09,830
accessory dwelling units or 80 use on rural residential lands. There's definitely a number

1847
02:54:09,830 --> 02:54:18,230
of stipulations in this bill, including the units can't be built until the statewide wildfire

1848
02:54:18,230 --> 02:54:25,190
risk map has been completed. That's, you know, what Palmer mentioned in Sen. 762. I believe

1849
02:54:25,190 --> 02:54:27,630
the date for that is June 2022.

1850
02:54:30,110 --> 02:54:33,570
There's also some prohibitions that ADUs can't be used for

1851
02:54:33,570 --> 02:54:41,070
vacation rentals. It has to be within a certain distance of the primary home. But the main

1852
02:54:41,070 --> 02:54:49,030
lines to address wildfire risk concerns. There are some stipulations in the bill that

1853
02:54:49,030 --> 02:54:55,830
counties have to ensure that there's adequate access to these units for wildfire mitigation

1854
02:54:55,830 --> 02:54:59,750
in evacuation efforts and dispensable space.

1855
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:07,460
You'll break standards with consultation with the local fire protection service district providers.

1856
02:55:08,700 --> 02:55:19,320
And there's also some provisions to protect the working, working farm force lands in terms of steps.

1857
02:55:20,020 --> 02:55:27,540
So this is a bill that we were to really closely with Commissioner Lee Lackon and

1858
02:55:27,540 --> 02:55:29,740
Yeah, any questions on that one?

1859
02:55:32,980 --> 02:55:34,620
I don't see anyone.

1860
02:55:37,220 --> 02:55:40,000
All right, well then I'll take a Senate Bill 16.

1861
02:55:41,340 --> 02:55:48,100
This was a bill that in the area of the eastern Oregon border economic development region,

1862
02:55:48,500 --> 02:55:53,860
which sits on the border between Idaho and the state of Oregon,

1863
02:55:53,860 --> 02:56:05,520
allows for up to 200 acres of exclusive farm use land to be used for residential purposes.

1864
02:56:05,920 --> 02:56:10,920
So, the residential development, it does have some limitations on the type of properties

1865
02:56:10,920 --> 02:56:18,560
that can be converted from a farm and ranch use to residential use, first of all, can't be

1866
02:56:18,560 --> 02:56:29,420
value farmland or properties that include class 1, 2, and 3 soils and if and when parcel

1867
02:56:29,420 --> 02:56:39,200
is rezone for residential use, the property owner has to file a restrictive covenant with

1868
02:56:39,200 --> 02:56:47,860
the county not to sue adjacent farm and ranch operations and there does have to be adequate

1869
02:56:47,860 --> 02:56:53,360
infrastructure to serve the development out there. This was a pretty controversial bill

1870
02:56:54,180 --> 02:57:01,380
or a number of reasons and that the argument about setting a further precedent to build

1871
02:57:01,380 --> 02:57:08,400
outside of where we normally want to see residential development. Those in Eastern Oregon argued that

1872
02:57:08,400 --> 02:57:17,260
this particular farmland either largely wasn't irrigated or isn't as high value and productive as others

1873
02:57:17,260 --> 02:57:23,480
and they have a real housing need they argued because of the people choosing to live in Idaho

1874
02:57:23,480 --> 02:57:29,700
as opposed to living in Oregon. And at the end of the day, this bill is one of the bills that I think

1875
02:57:29,700 --> 02:57:34,820
was important for democratic leadership to try to manage the session with the Republicans.

1876
02:57:36,040 --> 02:57:46,080
So in the end, it did pass. I think some folks have raised the possibility of a veto by the governor,

1877
02:57:46,080 --> 02:57:53,160
But I, we've heard nothing from the governor's office about that, so I really, I can't say what their thought is.

1878
02:57:59,020 --> 02:58:02,760
All right, I guess, you know, we can probably move on to the Crystal Bill.

1879
02:58:02,800 --> 02:58:03,960
Great. Yeah.

1880
02:58:04,300 --> 02:58:06,140
House Bill 26 is zero three.

1881
02:58:06,500 --> 02:58:10,660
This is a bill that relates to undersea cables and the placent of those cables.

1882
02:58:11,580 --> 02:58:20,660
So this bill has the ocean policy advisory council, consulting with DLCD and the Department of State Lands,

1883
02:58:20,660 --> 02:58:28,160
and local and tribal governments to review and provide amendments to the Part 4 of the territorial

1884
02:58:28,160 --> 02:58:36,340
sea plan related to the placement of undersea cables. And GLCD's role, we would be leading

1885
02:58:36,340 --> 02:58:45,140
a study of the permitting process, other planning, regulatory considerations. And what's good to

1886
02:58:45,140 --> 02:58:49,500
note about this is that we received funding to complete this work and that actually includes

1887
02:58:49,500 --> 02:58:52,740
limited duration position to support the efforts.

1888
02:58:57,300 --> 02:59:00,560
So, Chair MacArthur, I knew we are very short

1889
02:59:00,560 --> 02:59:11,080
on time. We included a couple of related bills based on my share. Hello of us. The last

1890
02:59:11,080 --> 02:59:19,340
presentation about talking about some legislation is connected in some way to DLCD work. If you

1891
02:59:19,340 --> 02:59:28,920
would like, I can run 30s pretty quickly and just give brief one liners. I don't really want to push in on the time too much, so just wanted to check in with you.

1892
02:59:29,480 --> 02:59:34,540
Yeah, I appreciate that Emma. I think we should go ahead because my studio hall of I asked for this.

1893
02:59:34,540 --> 02:59:41,720
Um, the idea was, um, vice-chair hall of it was asking for what the, what other legislation passed

1894
02:59:41,720 --> 02:59:45,920
that in other than effects, other agencies, but that might affect our portfolio.

1895
02:59:46,260 --> 02:59:51,360
So, I think we should go with those really quickly, and then if we need more conversation on the

1896
02:59:51,360 --> 02:59:57,840
implementation of those and the coordination of those, uh, those actions relative to hours,

1897
02:59:58,120 --> 02:59:59,860
I think we can have that conversation in.

1898
03:00:00,600 --> 03:00:10,320
And just a quick note, chair, we're already 10 minutes over time. So we're cutting into our lunch with this conversation.

1899
03:00:10,700 --> 03:00:15,900
Yes, so what made you. Sorry, guys. If we could just go through quickly and that'd be great.

1900
03:00:16,120 --> 03:00:29,060
Yeah, happy to. All right. So hospital 3040. I wanted to mention this. This is a bill that directs organ housing community services to conduct a pretty comprehensive study of system

1901
03:00:29,060 --> 03:00:36,240
development charges, SDCs, they would be consulting with us and several other state agencies

1902
03:00:36,240 --> 03:00:44,000
to do this work. Very quickly, SDFV, if there are one-time bees that help pay for infrastructure

1903
03:00:44,000 --> 03:00:50,560
that's required for new developments. So things like parks, transportation, wastewater, water

1904
03:00:50,560 --> 03:00:57,640
systems, that kind of thing. So basically the scope of the setting includes the role of SDCs and their

1905
03:00:57,640 --> 03:01:05,740
and the history of the charges and the impacts of the overall housing costs.

1906
03:01:07,060 --> 03:01:10,640
So we'll be involved in that effort with them.

1907
03:01:12,020 --> 03:01:15,100
I'll move on to the next one, Senate Bill 458.

1908
03:01:15,400 --> 03:01:19,200
This has related to the division of property for new middle housing.

1909
03:01:20,460 --> 03:01:27,620
So there are conditions under which local governments must allow for the division of property for new middle housing development.

1910
03:01:29,040 --> 03:01:36,560
And it applies to properties that are in residential zones, in attorneys or cities that are within

1911
03:01:36,560 --> 03:01:43,320
metropolitan service districts, as well as cities with a population of 25,000 or greater.

1912
03:01:43,880 --> 03:01:50,160
And then also cities outside those metropolitan service districts with populations between 10 and 20.

1913
03:01:53,200 --> 03:01:58,360
And you'll see you might be able to provide technical assistance funding from that $2 million

1914
03:01:58,360 --> 03:02:07,480
and housing grants that I mentioned earlier in house $5,000,000 for some of this that may be happening.

1915
03:02:10,780 --> 03:02:16,380
And then the last one that I've put here under housing is Senate Bill 79.

1916
03:02:16,380 --> 03:02:22,180
This is also related to housing and community services.

1917
03:02:22,800 --> 03:02:27,860
Basically, this is a bill that expands the home ownership assistance account,

1918
03:02:28,980 --> 03:02:35,280
to include grants and technical assistance for organizations working to increase access

1919
03:02:35,280 --> 03:02:40,660
for low income individuals and people of color for home ownership.

1920
03:02:40,660 --> 03:02:50,700
And OHCS Housing and Community Services has two prioritized organizations that offer culturally

1921
03:02:50,700 --> 03:02:56,700
specific counseling that provide down payment assistance and maintain partnerships with financial

1922
03:02:56,700 --> 03:03:05,680
institutions. So this is a pretty important change for that home ownership assistance account.

1923
03:03:05,680 --> 03:03:21,060
And we'll definitely just clarify for everyone that organizing community services, they're going to release a really comprehensive report on probably over 500 different bills that they tracked this session.

1924
03:03:21,560 --> 03:03:29,980
That's coming later in the fall just because they're trying to put it all together and I'm more than happy to send that out to all commissioners once it is completed.

1925
03:03:31,000 --> 03:03:38,100
there is obviously such an access for housing in chair. I just want to make a comment that

1926
03:03:38,100 --> 03:03:43,560
like that S Senate Bill 79, it seems like one of the ones that should be added to our housing

1927
03:03:43,560 --> 03:03:51,080
production strategies spreadsheet under financial assistance or one of those categories that we had.

1928
03:03:51,900 --> 03:03:57,620
So that that is a tool that would be under that. There, I feel like Senate Bill four,

1929
03:03:57,620 --> 03:04:01,220
If I made, I don't know the details, but it seems like that will just change the nature of land

1930
03:04:01,220 --> 03:04:04,600
division. So that's not really a housing production strategy, but it's good to know because

1931
03:04:05,280 --> 03:04:10,360
I've had a lot of not a lot. I've had experience on the disconnect between zoning and land

1932
03:04:10,360 --> 03:04:16,200
division and it has big implications to how housing is produced. So that's that's kind of a big deal

1933
03:04:16,200 --> 03:04:23,760
in the background, hopefully. And then everybody's interested in what comes out of that. I'm sure how

1934
03:04:23,760 --> 03:04:30,040
It's about 30 40 and it's more like a get your popcorn and, you know, let's see what they say.

1935
03:04:32,080 --> 03:04:35,460
Thank you. Why don't we go on to the final one on energy.

1936
03:04:36,160 --> 03:04:40,860
Okay, last bill. I wanted to mention hospital 21 or 2021.

1937
03:04:42,240 --> 03:04:46,840
Deal city wasn't directly involved with this, but it was a very hot topic of the session.

1938
03:04:47,380 --> 03:04:50,080
And I can certainly see implications for land use.

1939
03:04:50,080 --> 03:04:59,960
It's known as the 100% clean energy for all bill, so it's a broad range of targets, programs.

1940
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:26,820
Customs, studies all related to the clean electricity grid, but the main takeaway would be that, basically, all, investor-owned utilities and electricity service providers will have to reduce greenhouse gas emissions that are associated with electricity to 80% emissions by 2030, and then ultimate in any 200% by 2040.

1941
03:05:26,820 --> 03:05:32,420
So that effectively would require a mission free electricity by 2040.

1942
03:05:35,240 --> 03:05:42,680
So there's a lot in that bill, I won't go into it now, but if you are interested, I can send you some resources from the Department of Energy.

1943
03:05:43,160 --> 03:05:49,440
But I did just want to mention it because there is implications for land use with renewable energy.

1944
03:05:49,440 --> 03:05:58,580
There's a huge occasion for land use, and so I think we should probably talk about that further in September.

1945
03:05:59,380 --> 03:06:10,320
Thank you both Palmer and Emma. We do have one person that signed up for public comment that's Jonathan Harker from the Oregon American Planning Association.

1946
03:06:10,320 --> 03:06:15,600
I want to make sure he has a chance to speak before we adjourn for lunch.

1947
03:06:15,600 --> 03:06:17,340
So, Jonathan, welcome.

1948
03:06:24,040 --> 03:06:24,480
Dream in it.

1949
03:06:24,540 --> 03:06:25,740
I guess, whoops.

1950
03:06:25,940 --> 03:06:27,180
What happened there?

1951
03:06:27,700 --> 03:06:28,860
We still hear you.

1952
03:06:29,200 --> 03:06:29,580
Okay.

1953
03:06:29,780 --> 03:06:30,680
I just can't see you.

1954
03:06:31,400 --> 03:06:33,140
Oh, why do you see me?

1955
03:06:34,140 --> 03:06:36,560
I guess there's a number of going on.

1956
03:06:37,700 --> 03:06:39,460
So, well, I guess it's good afternoon.

1957
03:06:40,360 --> 03:06:44,660
Chair MacArthur, Commission members, and department staff.

1958
03:06:45,100 --> 03:06:46,920
So, for the record, I'm Jonathan Harker,

1959
03:06:47,740 --> 03:06:49,720
retired city planner, most of my career,

1960
03:06:49,720 --> 03:06:55,640
with the City of Russian. As you mentioned, I'm currently sharing a climate subcommittee

1961
03:06:55,640 --> 03:07:02,040
of the Oregon APA chapters, the legislative and policy advisory committee. And I wanted to

1962
03:07:02,040 --> 03:07:11,940
comment on item C1 and Mr. Mason staff report, the package 90, House Bill 2488. And I hope

1963
03:07:11,940 --> 03:07:19,300
you'll be kind with me in my remarks because my primary remarks are in response to the

1964
03:07:21,620 --> 03:07:22,820
report and

1965
03:07:25,120 --> 03:07:38,220
and and I would say that I was really heartened with the conversation that took place during the the oral report this morning in terms of both the knowledge men of the importance of addressing

1966
03:07:39,020 --> 03:07:46,480
goal one and the importance of addressing climate and the commitment to do to take action on those.

1967
03:07:47,400 --> 03:07:56,180
So I'm just going to kind of give you a little bit of my take on the House Bill 2488 and package 90 during the session.

1968
03:07:57,640 --> 03:08:05,560
So House Bill 2488, when it was introduced, we're going to direct LCDC to update the state by planning goals.

1969
03:08:05,560 --> 03:08:11,200
to address climate equity and political participation in environmental justice in the land

1970
03:08:11,200 --> 03:08:17,160
used and playing decisions. And that came from two legislative concepts. One that was

1971
03:08:17,160 --> 03:08:26,660
drafted by beyond top six, a nonprofit and based in Eugene, and the double NCWAP chapter

1972
03:08:26,660 --> 03:08:32,500
of Eugene Springfield, and Portland. That one really had the focus on the environmental justice,

1973
03:08:32,500 --> 03:08:35,580
but it also covered the climate pieces.

1974
03:08:36,380 --> 03:08:39,340
The second one was on behalf of Steve Shell,

1975
03:08:39,560 --> 03:08:43,500
a retired land destroyer who was the first LCDC chair.

1976
03:08:44,300 --> 03:08:47,060
That really focused on the more on the climate part,

1977
03:08:47,340 --> 03:08:48,520
but these two were put together.

1978
03:08:50,260 --> 03:08:53,680
That energy spill had four major four chief sponsors,

1979
03:08:54,000 --> 03:08:55,140
two from each chambers,

1980
03:08:55,700 --> 03:08:58,820
as well as 13 regular sponsors,

1981
03:08:59,260 --> 03:09:01,300
many of those from the BIPOC caucus.

1982
03:09:02,760 --> 03:09:08,860
OAPA was supportive of House Bill 24 ADA. It's aligned with our adopted legislative priorities,

1983
03:09:09,800 --> 03:09:14,280
both the support legislation that address climate change by amending the statewide goals

1984
03:09:14,280 --> 03:09:18,920
or by adding a new goal, and also supporting legislation that address racial

1985
03:09:19,540 --> 03:09:26,680
equality by mending goal one to explicitly advance anti-racism and elevate the voices of

1986
03:09:26,680 --> 03:09:29,600
and other traditionally underrepresented communities.

1987
03:09:30,900 --> 03:09:33,680
As with many bills, this was through with funding.

1988
03:09:35,400 --> 03:09:37,860
That's what package 90 came into to play.

1989
03:09:38,160 --> 03:09:48,220
And I would comment that the Kudos for Mr. Mason and Miss Land are really, really well-deserved.

1990
03:09:48,980 --> 03:09:56,040
I was part of a group that worked with them to create a new set of amendments

1991
03:09:56,040 --> 03:09:59,400
the dash tool amendments that would have.

1992
03:10:02,800 --> 03:10:13,780
Required LCDC2 adopt a new goal 20, and the goal 20 would have been addressed climate change, and it was going to address the equity and environmental justice issues.

1993
03:10:15,440 --> 03:10:20,180
And Emma and Palmer just spent a lot of time working on those things.

1994
03:10:21,800 --> 03:10:24,180
There was a, again, the dash 2s.

1995
03:10:25,080 --> 03:10:26,780
There were two hearings for the bills.

1996
03:10:27,600 --> 03:10:34,000
The first hearing generated lot of support for a wide variety of parties.

1997
03:10:35,320 --> 03:10:39,900
That was mostly on the introduction because the dash 2 managed by not been posted yet.

1998
03:10:40,100 --> 03:10:41,840
The second hearing was on the dash 2.

1999
03:10:41,900 --> 03:10:44,360
That also generated a lot of support.

2000
03:10:44,360 --> 03:10:48,900
Well, EPA provided written testimonies and supported both of those effort,

2001
03:10:49,440 --> 03:10:53,980
I testified as part of an invited panel on the first hearing.

2002
03:10:55,840 --> 03:10:59,380
Unfortunately, a few days before the work session,

2003
03:11:01,680 --> 03:11:03,920
the, the, the, the, the house legislated sponsor

2004
03:11:03,920 --> 03:11:09,380
measure or chase sponsors and beyond toxic swir informed, and this is second hand for me.

2005
03:11:09,440 --> 03:11:13,560
I was not at the meeting that the bill was going to be pulled.

2006
03:11:15,520 --> 03:11:19,840
And, and what I was told is because climate is a trigger word,

2007
03:11:23,200 --> 03:11:24,100
but there was some

2008
03:11:24,100 --> 03:11:28,940
controlling, frankly, and the bill was re-trapped out of the new amendment, the dash sevens

2009
03:11:28,940 --> 03:11:30,220
which addressed the goal one.

2010
03:11:30,440 --> 03:11:38,080
If I might interrupt this for a moment, you're out of time, and I'm really important, but perhaps

2011
03:11:38,080 --> 03:11:43,740
you could take a couple of sentences or a paragraph and summarize what you need to say,

2012
03:11:43,740 --> 03:11:46,460
So we kind of hear it. I don't, I don't think I will.

2013
03:11:47,780 --> 03:11:51,320
And so I'll just say, so, so, you know,

2014
03:11:51,460 --> 03:11:52,940
go one need to be addressed,

2015
03:11:55,800 --> 03:11:57,400
the bill did pass out

2016
03:11:57,400 --> 03:11:59,740
out of committee on a bipartisan vote,

2017
03:11:59,840 --> 03:12:03,000
I mean, on a partisan vote. And what I want to,

2018
03:12:03,040 --> 03:12:06,680
and then, and also I wanted to say that there were senators

2019
03:12:07,640 --> 03:12:12,040
and House representatives who voted against DLCG's budget

2020
03:12:13,300 --> 03:12:17,600
because the packet 90 wasn't in the budget.

2021
03:12:18,540 --> 03:12:21,420
They did that after they knew the bill, but after the budget was passed.

2022
03:12:22,260 --> 03:12:27,200
I'm saying all these things because I wanted to emphasize that I think there's a lot of momentum.

2023
03:12:31,020 --> 03:12:39,760
And I was part of to see that the commission and the department went and moved forward with this.

2024
03:12:39,760 --> 03:12:47,020
I was going to encourage you to do such and want to say that, you know, OAPA and myself can be there to help.

2025
03:12:48,580 --> 03:12:54,480
So I guess that's kind of where I was getting at. I think it's important that we do up to go one.

2026
03:12:54,680 --> 03:13:00,800
I think it's important that we address climate either by a, probably by a goal 20 and maybe those are two different efforts.

2027
03:13:04,150 --> 03:13:10,330
I guess that's what I guess I got confused. I guess that when the numbers were started to come counting down on me, I hadn't realized that's what was happening.

2028
03:13:11,350 --> 03:13:12,250
Thank you.

2029
03:13:12,270 --> 03:13:12,390
Yeah.

2030
03:13:12,390 --> 03:13:13,130
So thank you.

2031
03:13:13,250 --> 03:13:13,670
Yeah.

2032
03:13:14,050 --> 03:13:14,830
I, yes.

2033
03:13:15,170 --> 03:13:18,250
So I thought I had mentioned you had three minutes, but perhaps I wasn't very clear.

2034
03:13:18,310 --> 03:13:19,710
Anyway, thank you very much.

2035
03:13:20,050 --> 03:13:24,770
Obviously, if you were to had tuned in earlier, you heard the level of interest the commissioners

2036
03:13:24,770 --> 03:13:27,070
have about to talk about, obviously, you described.

2037
03:13:27,410 --> 03:13:29,370
So thank you for your interest as well.

2038
03:13:29,590 --> 03:13:33,490
And we look forward to collaborating with you on those in the future.

2039
03:13:33,970 --> 03:13:39,110
And at this point, we are going to take our lunch break.

2040
03:13:39,110 --> 03:13:52,470
I think to remain on schedule, we should in fact return at 1245, I apologize for being shorter than it would have been, but I kind of need to keep on schedule because there's some things at the end of the day we need to get to.

2041
03:13:53,070 --> 03:13:57,050
So let's we'll see you all at, thanks again to Emma and Palmer.

2042
03:13:57,230 --> 03:13:58,010
Really appreciate that.

2043
03:13:58,010 --> 03:13:59,670
Sir, to cut off the kudos short.

2044
03:14:00,430 --> 03:14:03,170
But let's go ahead and reconvene it 1245.

2045
03:14:05,550 --> 03:14:06,390
Thank you.

2046
03:14:06,390 --> 03:14:07,810
Recording stopped.

2047
03:14:11,400 --> 03:14:21,220
Welcome back from lunch. The time is 12.45. The next agenda item is item 6. 2021. 2023.

2048
03:14:21,920 --> 03:14:31,660
Performing rulemaking policy agenda. Chair, my car third, you have. Let's check. You have a

2049
03:14:31,660 --> 03:14:37,240
quorum. Great. Thank you very much. I appreciate that. And welcome, Sadie. And just by a way of

2050
03:14:37,240 --> 03:14:42,520
introduction to this agenda item as well as agenda item number seven, which

2051
03:14:42,520 --> 03:14:46,520
state is going to cover both, and she will go into more detail, but just to

2052
03:14:46,520 --> 03:14:50,980
kind of frame it. So we have this policy agenda, commission department policy

2053
03:14:50,980 --> 03:14:56,580
agenda. There's basically three parts to it that I know of anyway, two of

2054
03:14:56,580 --> 03:14:59,940
are really sort of legislatively initiated or direct.

2055
03:15:00,720 --> 03:15:10,880
And so the first agenda item and the final piece is stuff that we think is a really important to do regardless of whether another body compels us to do it or not.

2056
03:15:11,760 --> 03:15:26,580
So the first part is agenda item number six, and that's conforming rule making, and that's where the legislature gives us pretty specific language that we, a statutory language that we then need to put into our rules to make them consistent.

2057
03:15:26,580 --> 03:15:33,480
a city will talk about that first, the second part of our policy agenda is a list of topics

2058
03:15:33,480 --> 03:15:37,920
or agenda of or role-making that they want us to pursue.

2059
03:15:38,700 --> 03:15:43,960
And then as I mentioned a third part of our policy agenda is stuff that we look across the horizon

2060
03:15:43,960 --> 03:15:47,040
and realize it's really important to do on our own.

2061
03:15:47,440 --> 03:15:48,960
So with that, Sadie, take it away.

2062
03:15:50,400 --> 03:15:54,560
Thank you, Chair MacArthur, and thank you for that introduction for the record.

2063
03:15:54,560 --> 03:16:00,140
city-carnie communications manager and policy analyst with the Department of Land Conservation and Development.

2064
03:16:02,600 --> 03:16:06,140
And I'm going to get started over here.

2065
03:16:06,520 --> 03:16:08,320
It's always a pleasure to be with you.

2066
03:16:08,320 --> 03:16:12,920
I'm going to try to share my screen here and let's just see if this works on the first try.

2067
03:16:13,400 --> 03:16:15,760
Can you all see this PowerPoint presentation over here?

2068
03:16:15,960 --> 03:16:18,140
Great. Thank you for letting me know.

2069
03:16:19,160 --> 03:16:25,400
So, as Chairman Carthre indicated, I'm going to be presenting on agenda topics 6 and 7 today,

2070
03:16:26,100 --> 03:16:32,080
which as she also shared the commission are two of three overall elements for the policy agenda.

2071
03:16:32,600 --> 03:16:38,360
So, it's the conforming and the legislatively directed work that came from the 2021 legislative session.

2072
03:16:39,140 --> 03:16:47,980
By way of background, every two years, DLCD develops a new policy agenda after the long session when the state's biennial budget is set.

2073
03:16:47,980 --> 03:16:56,500
And the policy agenda is typically updated mid by NAM after the short legislative session that occurs in the even number of years.

2074
03:16:57,280 --> 03:17:02,820
And so when you see this full package of policy agenda when it comes before you in September,

2075
03:17:03,480 --> 03:17:07,840
and it'll have the elements that we're talking about today, conforming in legislative work.

2076
03:17:08,400 --> 03:17:12,740
It'll also have ongoing work that has carried over from previous policy agendas.

2077
03:17:12,740 --> 03:17:17,500
So stuff that is very long term, or we haven't gotten to a conclusion on so the housing

2078
03:17:17,500 --> 03:17:24,080
work would be an example of that, and it will include what Chair MacArthur was referencing

2079
03:17:24,080 --> 03:17:28,360
with the sort of that look across the horizon, the agency, and issues.

2080
03:17:29,180 --> 03:17:36,720
And then there's one other item that will be included in the policy agenda, and this is issues

2081
03:17:36,720 --> 03:17:41,380
that the department recognizes the perennial importance of,

2082
03:17:42,020 --> 03:17:45,420
but either due to agency resources or lack of staff

2083
03:17:45,420 --> 03:17:49,040
or lack of time, we just don't have the capacity to address.

2084
03:17:49,500 --> 03:17:52,280
So an example that I'll give you is non-resource lands.

2085
03:17:52,840 --> 03:17:55,720
You'll see that come up on our September policy agenda,

2086
03:17:57,200 --> 03:18:00,380
not that we believe we'll have the agency capacity to address it

2087
03:18:00,380 --> 03:18:02,920
in the two years, but just because we want our stakeholders

2088
03:18:02,920 --> 03:18:05,720
or commissioners interested parties and others to know,

2089
03:18:05,720 --> 03:18:08,780
we haven't forgotten about this, we recognize that they're important.

2090
03:18:12,120 --> 03:18:13,320
In previous years,

2091
03:18:13,940 --> 03:18:19,740
the department has presented the policy agenda all at once, and this year we have broken it into

2092
03:18:19,740 --> 03:18:25,040
some different pieces, and I think it makes a lot of sense for us to do it this way.

2093
03:18:25,720 --> 03:18:30,940
For a couple of reasons, number one, it is important that we initiate our conforming

2094
03:18:30,940 --> 03:18:38,400
role-making process pretty right away. A lot of our legislation that passes in a legislative

2095
03:18:38,400 --> 03:18:44,100
session has an effective date of the first of the year, so that would be January 1, 2022.

2096
03:18:44,840 --> 03:18:49,100
In order for us to hold the public hearings in a timely fashion and get the notices in front

2097
03:18:49,100 --> 03:18:53,700
of the Secretary of State, we really need to initiate that role-making pretty shortly after the

2098
03:18:53,700 --> 03:18:58,580
session concludes in order to have our rules be effective when the legislation is effective.

2099
03:18:59,680 --> 03:19:11,560
And the other piece to present the legislatively directed work alongside of it is there's some really time sensitive elements in particular this session so we may not do it every way that session.

2100
03:19:13,160 --> 03:19:25,800
But but this year we are and then finally agency initiatives which are kind of a a bigger look and require more internal discussion following the the legislative session really take some time to develop.

2101
03:19:25,800 --> 03:19:32,380
So this gives us time to put that internal staff work into creating other thoughtful package for you guys to review

2102
03:19:32,380 --> 03:19:34,980
in September, hopefully for adoption in November.

2103
03:19:36,280 --> 03:19:42,640
And just as kind of a high level, when I think about the policy agenda, I think of it as kind of a

2104
03:19:42,640 --> 03:19:48,420
playbook for commissioners of what you're going to see at your commission meetings over the coming months,

2105
03:19:49,140 --> 03:19:55,460
you know the next year or two years. And that said, I think there's a caveat in the staff report

2106
03:19:55,460 --> 03:19:57,320
and I'll sort of say it again here.

2107
03:19:57,620 --> 03:19:59,960
We know that not everything is going to be included in the...

2108
03:20:00,000 --> 03:20:09,900
There's emergency things that come up that need to be addressed right away by the department. You know that because you're doing the emergency rule making for wildfire right now.

2109
03:20:10,760 --> 03:20:28,140
And so the policy agenda is not intended to preclude other things for being addressed in a policy manner by the agency, but it's a way for us to get your feedback for us to get public feedback and for us to kind of set a plan for our workload and path over the coming two years.

2110
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So with that, I'm going to move on to my next slide here.

2111
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So first is the conforming rule making.

2112
03:20:36,640 --> 03:20:39,240
And before I get into that,

2113
03:20:39,240 --> 03:20:41,600
I'd like to review the timeline with commissioners,

2114
03:20:41,800 --> 03:20:43,080
but just to remind you,

2115
03:20:43,400 --> 03:20:46,360
conforming rule make things do not require the department to interpret

2116
03:20:47,040 --> 03:20:50,020
anything that was recently enacted by statute

2117
03:20:50,020 --> 03:20:54,640
and can be sort of implemented directly into our rules.

2118
03:20:54,640 --> 03:21:11,240
So, we don't, we don't need a rule-making advisory committee, we don't really even need to do much interpretation at a staff level, we just need to identify the rule that needs to be updated, insert the appropriate language and sort of get it filed in all the right places.

2119
03:21:13,320 --> 03:21:39,580
So, one thing I wanted to mention here is that even though are conforming role-making's sort of fit very tidally interval and don't require that interpretation or involvement, I just want to recognize that there is a workload impact for the agency.

2120
03:21:39,580 --> 03:21:46,840
And specifically, I think she's on this call, Cassaria Taylor, her roles coordinator is required

2121
03:21:46,840 --> 03:21:51,400
to follow the Administrative Procedures Act for the State of Oregon, which includes

2122
03:21:51,400 --> 03:21:56,000
finding the rules with the Secretary of State, setting the public hearing dates, posting

2123
03:21:56,000 --> 03:22:03,420
information online, making sure that all of those sort of procedures are followed to get

2124
03:22:03,420 --> 03:22:05,600
this appropriately implemented in rules.

2125
03:22:05,600 --> 03:22:21,500
Well, while we don't see a lot of it in front of Commission, you know, with the exception of today, there's a lot of work that goes on in the background and that regard and I just want to call that out for Commissioners because it does impact our ability to do other things.

2126
03:22:21,500 --> 03:22:25,920
So that's that I'm going to move on to our timeline.

2127
03:22:27,620 --> 03:22:30,220
So you're getting a presentation today.

2128
03:22:30,460 --> 03:22:33,240
Your next commission meeting is in September.

2129
03:22:34,100 --> 03:22:37,780
At that meeting we will present you with a draft a complete.

2130
03:22:37,820 --> 03:22:39,880
We hope draft policy agenda.

2131
03:22:41,780 --> 03:22:44,760
And commission will receive public comment on it.

2132
03:22:44,880 --> 03:22:49,420
We will very much appreciate any commissioner comments on both today.

2133
03:22:49,420 --> 03:23:19,400
But in particular, in September, when we have a more substantive policy agenda to review and after that meeting our public comment period begins and we have kind of a large broadcast we coordinate with the citizen involvement advisory committee in how to best accomplish that public notice of that work and opportunity to comment and that runs from the 27th of September to the 14th of October and the timing of that is kind of

2134
03:23:19,420 --> 03:23:25,000
dependent on when we need to have incorporated comments in order to get them into an updated

2135
03:23:25,000 --> 03:23:30,440
staff report and bring them back in front of you for the November meeting. And at the November

2136
03:23:30,440 --> 03:23:36,260
meeting, we will incorporate commission comments. We will call out public comments. We will

2137
03:23:36,260 --> 03:23:42,180
coordinate with staff in sort of reviewing and incorporating comments as appropriate. And we'll

2138
03:23:42,180 --> 03:23:48,800
bring an updated policy agenda for the commission, including a record of the public comment

2139
03:23:48,800 --> 03:24:03,020
that was submitted to the department and then at the November Commission meeting, we anticipate that the Commission would adopt the biennial policy agenda and then in January.

2140
03:24:04,320 --> 03:24:07,200
Our conforming rulemaking has been completed.

2141
03:24:07,200 --> 03:24:14,880
that legislation that becomes effective the first of the year is supported in rule in our

2142
03:24:14,880 --> 03:24:19,140
rules and we've got our policy agenda in place for the next two years.

2143
03:24:20,640 --> 03:24:30,720
If commissioners have ideas or comments on things we should definitely make sure to include

2144
03:24:30,720 --> 03:24:37,100
it's specifically in that public outreach process. I'd be very interested to hear them.

2145
03:24:37,100 --> 03:24:41,580
I can sort of wait until the end. You can offer your comments now. You can send them

2146
03:24:41,580 --> 03:24:49,380
by email. I just want to make sure that that is the best process. It can be. So that's one

2147
03:24:49,380 --> 03:24:52,580
place where I would specifically invite comment if you had it.

2148
03:24:56,260 --> 03:24:59,560
So I will kick off this portion,

2149
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:18,800
This is our conforming rulemaking. I think I've said all of this already once. I do want to call out for the commission that there is an error in my staff report. And that is the inclusion of Senate Bill 19 as needed as as needing conforming rulemaking for the department.

2150
03:25:18,800 --> 03:25:43,200
It does not. It requires agency involvement, but the amendment that was adopted in the enrolled version is not one that requires conforming role making simply sort of department coordination. So I apologize for the error and we will have it corrected in the in the policy agenda moving forward. But I just wanted to bring your attention back.

2151
03:25:43,200 --> 03:25:53,020
And I want to, you may recognize this theme in the slides from Emma Lam's work on your legislative updates.

2152
03:25:53,060 --> 03:26:01,780
I thought I would kind of stick with it so that maybe it helped you track the legislation as it moved through the legislative process into our policy agenda.

2153
03:26:02,460 --> 03:26:06,720
And then it kind of excuse me, Lam's on our plate as, as work to do.

2154
03:26:06,720 --> 03:26:23,720
I'm not going to spend, you may make some time up in these presentations because I know there has been a really substantive discussion of these different policy pieces in the legislative update that you had just before your lunch break.

2155
03:26:23,720 --> 03:26:29,940
Palmer and Emma are also here to answer any kind of particular questions that made you thought of over lunch.

2156
03:26:30,600 --> 03:26:32,860
But I'm just going to kind of hit at a high level.

2157
03:26:33,500 --> 03:26:39,720
These rule-making and sort of remind you what they are as we go through the conforming.

2158
03:26:42,300 --> 03:26:53,700
So House Bill 3155 requires cities over 10,000 in the metro area to conduct housing needs analysis and allows small cities smaller than 10,000.

2159
03:26:53,700 --> 03:27:00,900
1000 to conduct housing needs analysis and therefore let's those smaller cities become eligible

2160
03:27:00,900 --> 03:27:06,880
for DLCD technical assistance. Palmer presented this in some detail. So if there's not a lot

2161
03:27:06,880 --> 03:27:11,680
of question, I'll just cruise or if there's not any questions, I'll cruise through the rest of these

2162
03:27:11,680 --> 03:27:19,360
housing-related bills. Next is Senate Bill E, which restricts local governments from denying or

2163
03:27:19,360 --> 03:27:24,720
limiting the approval of affordable housing applications in commercial or industrial zones.

2164
03:27:25,400 --> 03:27:30,280
I think Commissioner Huluva had some questions on this and Emma presented it in the legislative

2165
03:27:30,280 --> 03:27:38,000
wrap up. And then finally Senate Bill 548 is the division of property for middle housing.

2166
03:27:39,760 --> 03:27:44,680
So those are the three conforming rule making so we have under housing as you can see from the

2167
03:27:44,680 --> 03:27:49,720
slide, the pieces of legislation that did pass under climate inequity and wildfires, energy

2168
03:27:49,720 --> 03:27:55,140
and coastal, etc. don't have anything that fits into the conforming role-making category,

2169
03:27:55,500 --> 03:28:01,740
but we do have it in housing and resource lands. So moving on to the resource lands pieces,

2170
03:28:02,680 --> 03:28:08,720
Senate Bill 391, I think Palmer discussed this with you, is allowing accessory dwelling units

2171
03:28:08,720 --> 03:28:17,120
in rural residential zones with some conditions. And Senate Bill 16 is the Eastern Oregon housing

2172
03:28:17,120 --> 03:28:24,360
bill that allows counties to partition and rezone up to 200 acres of land from EFU to

2173
03:28:24,360 --> 03:28:27,860
residential use without taking a goal exception.

2174
03:28:29,960 --> 03:28:35,200
So, any questions on these items, I do have a

2175
03:28:35,200 --> 03:28:42,220
bit more in depth slides on the legislative we directed work and I don't if there aren't any questions

2176
03:28:42,220 --> 03:28:44,880
we can just move on to the motion.

2177
03:28:47,390 --> 03:28:49,900
Questions about the conforming we're making that

2178
03:28:51,210 --> 03:28:56,850
say just when over and say thank you for using the same format that and Palmer started it

2179
03:28:56,850 --> 03:29:01,870
really helps me a lot just brilliant ideas of things. I'm so glad. Good.

2180
03:29:05,400 --> 03:29:07,440
So seeing no hands up

2181
03:29:07,440 --> 03:29:11,820
about the conforming, and we did have a really good conversation earlier, so I think we

2182
03:29:11,820 --> 03:29:16,780
paved the way for a shorter conversation now. And just to be clear about what this

2183
03:29:16,780 --> 03:29:27,920
motion is, all this motion does is adopt the portfolio of work that staff will need to do

2184
03:29:27,920 --> 03:29:34,020
on the conforming rulemaking. The staff will then come back to us at various times,

2185
03:29:34,020 --> 03:29:35,840
that we all know in the end of the year,

2186
03:29:36,100 --> 03:29:38,760
to actually have us adopt the specific piece

2187
03:29:38,760 --> 03:29:42,320
of rule, a change, and in separate actions

2188
03:29:42,320 --> 03:29:44,920
for each of those topics.

2189
03:29:46,400 --> 03:29:49,180
So, that is, that is in part correct.

2190
03:29:49,420 --> 03:29:52,500
I believe that when we present the conforming rule making

2191
03:29:52,500 --> 03:29:54,880
because there is not a lot of interpretation,

2192
03:29:55,340 --> 03:29:57,260
well, excuse me, there's not any interpretation

2193
03:29:57,260 --> 03:29:59,300
that needs to be done by the department.

2194
03:29:59,300 --> 03:29:59,900
We present,

2195
03:30:00,000 --> 03:30:09,940
As a package, and it's usually sort of routine business. I think for the commission, just sort of opening close those public hearings and move them through

2196
03:30:09,940 --> 03:30:18,340
Caesarea or anyone else that is more familiar with kind of the fine tuning on that process could perhaps speak to it as well.

2197
03:30:18,680 --> 03:30:26,980
But my understanding is you won't see these items as standalone policy discussions moving forward because they're conforming.

2198
03:30:26,980 --> 03:30:38,340
All of the stuff that is larger where there is room for us to interpret, what has been adopted in statute. Yes, we, we, we are very sure to involve the commission in those conversations.

2199
03:30:38,600 --> 03:30:51,320
I think I think I think I'm sorry. I should weigh in maybe I'm thinking of all those conforming rule of all of those that work that Gordon brought to us the litany of different things that he brought to us last year, so maybe that was something different.

2200
03:30:51,320 --> 03:30:55,240
but just to be so I should be clear, then, what is the answer?

2201
03:30:55,460 --> 03:31:03,200
Do we act on each separate language change or is it just a bundle, just curious?

2202
03:31:04,620 --> 03:31:11,700
Chair, Vice Chair, hello, but we'll probably take them in bundles, similar to what we did last year,

2203
03:31:11,820 --> 03:31:16,440
where we took some rural, some urban, some housing, and bundled them together.

2204
03:31:16,980 --> 03:31:19,860
That's probably the way that we'll do it again this year.

2205
03:31:19,860 --> 03:31:24,980
It'll just depend on which divisions are being affected by the rules.

2206
03:31:25,080 --> 03:31:27,800
That's kind of how we spread it out.

2207
03:31:28,880 --> 03:31:30,220
Thanks very much for the clarification.

2208
03:31:30,460 --> 03:31:30,920
Appreciate that.

2209
03:31:31,040 --> 03:31:31,520
As area.

2210
03:31:33,140 --> 03:31:33,460
Okay.

2211
03:31:33,960 --> 03:31:38,080
Any other comments or questions before we entertain a motion,

2212
03:31:43,860 --> 03:31:47,360
seeing no hands up, we want to

2213
03:31:47,360 --> 03:31:49,640
my colleagues if you're willing to offer an emotion?

2214
03:31:51,920 --> 03:31:58,760
I moved the commission to adopt the conforming real making policy agenda for 2021 through 2023.

2215
03:31:59,220 --> 03:32:00,500
Second, the motion.

2216
03:32:01,160 --> 03:32:01,580
Thank you.

2217
03:32:01,680 --> 03:32:03,200
We have a motion and a second.

2218
03:32:03,740 --> 03:32:05,420
Esther, would you call for role?

2219
03:32:06,520 --> 03:32:06,660
I.

2220
03:32:07,320 --> 03:32:08,280
Hello, but.

2221
03:32:08,620 --> 03:32:09,320
All right.

2222
03:32:09,640 --> 03:32:09,880
Commissioner.

2223
03:32:10,280 --> 03:32:11,220
Stand of all.

2224
03:32:11,920 --> 03:32:12,820
All right.

2225
03:32:12,980 --> 03:32:13,260
Commissioner.

2226
03:32:14,020 --> 03:32:14,680
Jacobson.

2227
03:32:15,140 --> 03:32:15,220
I.

2228
03:32:16,000 --> 03:32:16,300
Commissioner.

2229
03:32:16,300 --> 03:32:17,060
Lee Lack.

2230
03:32:19,200 --> 03:32:19,320
Chair.

2231
03:32:19,320 --> 03:32:26,280
card there. I and the motion passes unanimously with the commissioners present commissioner

2232
03:32:26,280 --> 03:32:32,620
appear mine hasn't excused absence. Thanks everyone. So you're right, we might make up some time

2233
03:32:32,620 --> 03:32:39,260
here or Sadie. So take it away for the next agenda item. All right, I'm happy to do so. Thank you.

2234
03:32:40,780 --> 03:32:47,980
So the next agenda item is our legislative leave directed work. So these are items that

2235
03:32:47,980 --> 03:33:03,060
requires the department to interpret recently adopted statute from a policy perspective before we can implement the legislation or they may require commitment of agency resources and or participation in in the process somewhere.

2236
03:33:03,060 --> 03:33:07,520
for legislative lead directed work, DLCD staff,

2237
03:33:07,660 --> 03:33:10,320
relies upon work groups, advisory committees,

2238
03:33:10,820 --> 03:33:13,140
community engagement, public comment periods,

2239
03:33:13,700 --> 03:33:16,640
and coordination with the Commission,

2240
03:33:16,860 --> 03:33:18,860
citizen involvement advisory committee.

2241
03:33:19,920 --> 03:33:22,240
And that helps us inform our work

2242
03:33:22,240 --> 03:33:25,780
as we move towards implementation of these policy items.

2243
03:33:27,700 --> 03:33:30,040
For this particular policy agenda,

2244
03:33:30,460 --> 03:33:32,740
there are also some time sensitive items,

2245
03:33:32,740 --> 03:33:38,200
I mentioned that at the front end of my presentation, included in the legislative leave-directed work,

2246
03:33:38,200 --> 03:33:43,120
and this is one of the important reasons that we wanted to get this portion of the policy agenda

2247
03:33:43,120 --> 03:33:50,000
in front of the commission today. In hopes that we could adopt it and the department could have

2248
03:33:50,000 --> 03:33:55,140
commissioner comment and feedback on how we advance in this legislative leave-directed work.

2249
03:33:55,860 --> 03:34:00,880
And I'll speak to that specifically when we get that particular element. But if any of you are thinking

2250
03:34:00,880 --> 03:34:06,860
that it might be the wildfire on a bus legislation that Hummer discussed already taking place.

2251
03:34:07,200 --> 03:34:13,040
You'd be right. So moving on from this slide,

2252
03:34:17,360 --> 03:34:19,640
I think I've covered all of this.

2253
03:34:20,840 --> 03:34:29,280
So again, you'll note a familiar theme here. Under climate and equity, package 90,

2254
03:34:29,280 --> 03:34:39,380
Pop 1-11 and Pop 1-12, Palmer and Emma have spoken to the cops in their presentation, so I won't be addressing them specifically here.

2255
03:34:40,560 --> 03:34:53,740
7-62, Senate Bill 7-62, under wildfire and Pop 1-13, which is sort of sort of essential to the carrying out the work of 7-62.

2256
03:34:54,520 --> 03:34:59,660
Under housing, House Bill 2160, 29-18.

2257
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:09,680
And 5,000, six, nothing under energy or resource lands. And finally, the under seat cables issue were for coastal.

2258
03:35:12,220 --> 03:35:31,260
So we have talked of, well, you, you have discussed these at length and quite recently, me move on to my next slide. And I think we can be pretty high level in summary in our discussion. Again, if you do have any questions, feel free to bring them up now. And if I'm not able to answer them.

2259
03:35:31,280 --> 03:35:40,080
then I know Palmer or Emma would be happy to you just talked about this. This is House Bill 2160,

2260
03:35:40,480 --> 03:35:46,980
the Affordable Housing Pilot Project for the City of Pendleton. That Pendleton proposal will be

2261
03:35:46,980 --> 03:35:54,440
submitted to the Commission by June 30 of 2023. And Chair McMurder, I think you were pretty close.

2262
03:35:54,640 --> 03:36:00,260
I can't represent you or somebody else that said like 2017 for $479, I couldn't believe it. It's

2263
03:36:00,260 --> 03:36:11,240
I couldn't believe I was that long ago, but that was then further amended you right by I think it was like 20, 2, 30, 6 or 23, 36, you know, 2 years later and here we are seeing it again.

2264
03:36:11,720 --> 03:36:27,020
So I think the commission is right to sort of point to this is an issue that is becoming more of a routine planning practice of the legislature and something to be mindful of as we move forward.

2265
03:36:29,230 --> 03:36:31,110
Next is the chair?

2266
03:36:31,990 --> 03:36:32,390
Yes.

2267
03:36:33,330 --> 03:36:40,010
I didn't know if you knew and is what percentage of that housing has to be affordable.

2268
03:36:40,970 --> 03:36:42,850
Sort of, do you know?

2269
03:36:43,210 --> 03:36:43,730
I don't know.

2270
03:36:44,030 --> 03:36:46,370
I'm off the top of my head.

2271
03:36:47,170 --> 03:36:50,050
I think in 2016, I probably had a fair idea,

2272
03:36:50,310 --> 03:36:55,090
but we can certainly check into the requirements of the legislation back to you.

2273
03:36:55,250 --> 03:36:55,670
Thank you.

2274
03:36:57,050 --> 03:37:00,710
So if I might, this is Palmer, I think I can answer that question.

2275
03:37:00,970 --> 03:37:03,590
A little city can confirm later if I'm correct.

2276
03:37:03,750 --> 03:37:08,670
I think by sure, hello, it's about 30%.

2277
03:37:09,570 --> 03:37:11,310
Yeah, it should be affordable housing.

2278
03:37:11,450 --> 03:37:16,150
There are some other requirements in the rulemaking around the other

2279
03:37:16,150 --> 03:37:20,670
development that happens, but I think it's roughly around 30 or 40%.

2280
03:37:21,550 --> 03:37:24,790
Yeah, you think if it was called a affordable housing pilot project,

2281
03:37:24,790 --> 03:37:27,550
could be 51 percent.

2282
03:37:27,670 --> 03:37:29,470
That's a fair argument, yes.

2283
03:37:31,850 --> 03:37:34,810
Otherwise, it's, yeah, market rate housing

2284
03:37:34,810 --> 03:37:38,030
with a splash of affordable housing by the project.

2285
03:37:39,430 --> 03:37:40,590
Well put.

2286
03:37:42,330 --> 03:37:46,110
Any other questions or comments on House Bill 2160?

2287
03:37:49,120 --> 03:37:50,620
All right, thank you, Vice Chair.

2288
03:37:51,220 --> 03:37:51,700
Hello, Bob.

2289
03:37:51,700 --> 03:38:02,900
So moving on to House Bill 2603, which is the undersea cables, sort of rulemaking and study.

2290
03:38:03,960 --> 03:38:10,480
I don't pretend to know a lot about this issue, but I do know that it requires review of the territorial sea plan.

2291
03:38:10,860 --> 03:38:21,360
Related to the placement of the undersea cables and that OPAC will make recommendations to the commission by September of 2023 on this issue.

2292
03:38:21,700 --> 03:38:30,540
And that we have a staff position, I believe that's limited duration that comes along with the passage of this legislation.

2293
03:38:33,870 --> 03:38:53,350
Okay, if I don't see any questions, we can move on to House Bill 2918, which is the surplus property issue requiring local governments to identify surplus properties of counties and cities, but then additionally requiring cities with surplus property to assess it for development of affordable housing.

2294
03:38:53,350 --> 03:39:00,190
and charging DLCD with developing and maintaining an online database that's available to the public.

2295
03:39:00,390 --> 03:39:04,650
And you know, that's a project that Rachel Smith is working on out of information services.

2296
03:39:05,730 --> 03:39:10,510
So as always, I have a strong confidence in its success.

2297
03:39:13,730 --> 03:39:15,690
And then, please, that's that one for a second.

2298
03:39:16,930 --> 03:39:25,930
So, I know in commission meeting a couple of days ago, I sure hello, and I raised some

2299
03:39:25,930 --> 03:39:26,210
thoughts.

2300
03:39:26,290 --> 03:39:29,950
I had some thoughts about this, and maybe it wasn't fully that context, maybe it was something else.

2301
03:39:30,310 --> 03:39:37,750
But the idea of, I know that there is a prescription, the kind of data is prescribed that has to be reported on.

2302
03:39:37,750 --> 03:39:46,170
the idea of putting additional information that might be useful as it's used to use it in a

2303
03:39:46,170 --> 03:39:50,890
right way. We've talked a little bit about that. Do you want to elaborate on what your thoughts

2304
03:39:50,890 --> 03:39:51,930
were about this year?

2305
03:39:54,660 --> 03:39:59,980
Yeah, I mean, one of the things we talked about was this climate-friendly

2306
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:04,040
I'm blanking on the term areas. Is that right? Climate-friendly areas.

2307
03:40:05,900 --> 03:40:11,680
And maybe there's like, you know, if you have different criteria, one of them is this in a climate-friendly area.

2308
03:40:12,200 --> 03:40:26,940
And just making sure to link it to transportation and climate goals, not that they just kind of exist as sites that don't have any layers to other things that we're working on if that makes sense.

2309
03:40:26,940 --> 03:40:53,500
So I think that was a question, and then also to get some insight, I believe in California, they have a whole division dedicated to doing this type of work. And so maybe getting some insight from other other government agencies on things that they wish they had or didn't have, you know, we're starting this scratch gives us an ability to kind of collect really good data and to do it, do it right.

2310
03:40:55,040 --> 03:40:57,520
Thank you, Chair MacArthur, and Vice Chair Holova.

2311
03:40:57,840 --> 03:41:08,180
My understanding is that based on your comments, staff is aware of those issues and planning to sort of take them into consideration as we implement this work.

2312
03:41:08,660 --> 03:41:10,500
So I appreciate you bringing it up.

2313
03:41:11,000 --> 03:41:17,160
Yeah, and something I just thought of, I was thinking of this after Director Ruth was saying something I thought of more thoughts.

2314
03:41:17,160 --> 03:41:30,240
And you know, I wanted to bring this up again, one of the reasons I believe that some certain sites, let's say dedicated to affordable housing that I've seen haven't been built out so their full density have been because of limitations and funding.

2315
03:41:31,340 --> 03:41:39,980
And desire to kind of distribute that funding across either different sites, different communities, different developed, you know, affordable housing developers, whatever the case may be.

2316
03:41:39,980 --> 03:41:45,340
And I know those are very complex and I'm not even going to pretend to comment on that process,

2317
03:41:46,440 --> 03:41:53,100
but it appears that there should be some sort of layering that says we're going to prioritize

2318
03:41:54,120 --> 03:42:00,780
building out max density in these affordable housing sites in climate-friendly areas, but

2319
03:42:00,780 --> 03:42:05,060
obviously that has to be paired with the money to actually make it happen. You can't say build out your

2320
03:42:05,060 --> 03:42:08,040
and then nobody's there to fill the gap for that money.

2321
03:42:09,660 --> 03:42:13,380
So that could be a potential linkage between these kind of surplus

2322
03:42:13,980 --> 03:42:16,040
properties that are in climate-friendly areas

2323
03:42:16,760 --> 03:42:19,880
that the funding could be paired with that to max out the density,

2324
03:42:19,880 --> 03:42:21,640
kind of hit all those different points.

2325
03:42:23,720 --> 03:42:24,180
Thank you.

2326
03:42:25,620 --> 03:42:28,840
Deputy Director Green had a comment and then Commissioner Lee Lack.

2327
03:42:30,520 --> 03:42:30,660
Thanks.

2328
03:42:30,660 --> 03:42:54,500
I think Sadie actually answered it, but my hand down really quick, but to Vice Chair's current point here about the coordination Rachel Smith, kind of vice CIO and information resources manager is heading up this data project, but as we know it's a lot more than data.

2329
03:42:54,500 --> 03:43:01,140
So, she knows that Vice-Chair Helova has agreed to take a look at this at the Criterate

2330
03:43:01,140 --> 03:43:07,440
Early on that we're looking at with Ethan and Gordon, and then also Vice-Chair to loop

2331
03:43:07,440 --> 03:43:10,860
in that contact from the State of California to Oxford for advice.

2332
03:43:10,860 --> 03:43:12,360
So, thank you for your guidance on this.

2333
03:43:12,360 --> 03:43:17,660
It is so incredibly important as an opportunity,

2334
03:43:20,400 --> 03:43:22,450
the maxing out of the density I've been

2335
03:43:22,450 --> 03:43:37,450
You've brought up earlier to have an emailing with Gordon and Kevin on that as well, so I don't know if they're listening. I don't see them on the call right now, but we'll continue to follow up that is a sort of a housing production strategy linked to this policy if and as we're able. Thank you.

2336
03:43:37,450 --> 03:43:39,410
James Kirsten, Commissioner Lee Lack?

2337
03:43:40,410 --> 03:43:44,230
I thank you. And I so I assume, Chairman Carter, I assume that the requires local

2338
03:43:44,230 --> 03:43:49,330
governments to identify surplus property by recall correctly. This refers to publicly owned

2339
03:43:49,330 --> 03:43:54,430
property. So the surplus property is, and I've seen Sadie Saker had confirmed me not,

2340
03:43:54,610 --> 03:43:59,950
which is great. I think it's just going to be very important to have property managers,

2341
03:44:00,350 --> 03:44:05,410
like county property managers involved in this. Just because there are a lot of different

2342
03:44:05,410 --> 03:44:11,510
classifications of what property is. Some of those that are in tax foreclosure are designated

2343
03:44:11,510 --> 03:44:16,970
differently than those that local governments have acquired through other means and maybe utilize

2344
03:44:16,970 --> 03:44:21,390
different purposes and I know we're always coordinating with our legal council on. How do we

2345
03:44:21,390 --> 03:44:26,610
classify it? What is it designated for? And then just so that we're clear and for local governments

2346
03:44:26,610 --> 03:44:33,550
can make sure that we're providing the correct information for the database going forward. That's

2347
03:44:33,550 --> 03:44:36,950
kind of one piece, the other piece, just with maximizing density, gosh, Mr.

2348
03:44:37,070 --> 03:44:38,050
or Vice Chair, Halibut.

2349
03:44:38,190 --> 03:44:39,490
And that is such an important issue.

2350
03:44:39,650 --> 03:44:43,950
I've worked in so many places where the best projects are proposed and I'll just say

2351
03:44:43,950 --> 03:44:48,930
that they're just beaten down by the neighbors, the local government, acquiesces, and they're

2352
03:44:48,930 --> 03:44:50,190
all underbuilt.

2353
03:44:51,970 --> 03:44:53,970
And yeah, it's just such a big issue.

2354
03:44:54,030 --> 03:44:55,190
I appreciate your raising in.

2355
03:44:55,270 --> 03:44:55,570
Thanks.

2356
03:44:56,330 --> 03:44:59,930
These are excellent points, Nick, about who to engage the local.

2357
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:05,060
I'd love to get the right information, so very much appreciate that input. Commissioner Jacobson.

2358
03:45:07,920 --> 03:45:12,740
Yeah, well, my first comment was going to be what Commissioner Lee Lack just said about including

2359
03:45:13,600 --> 03:45:19,740
property managers for local jurisdictions, and both looking at this and reading the material provided.

2360
03:45:20,200 --> 03:45:25,240
Is this including tax for closed property?

2361
03:45:26,920 --> 03:45:32,240
So, if I might share a MacArthur, this is Palmer, I may be able to answer that.

2362
03:45:33,180 --> 03:45:38,080
So, the bill is specific about what surplus property is.

2363
03:45:38,580 --> 03:45:44,960
It's a piece of property in which the local government holds title through a deed or another legal instrument.

2364
03:45:46,240 --> 03:45:51,400
So, that wouldn't involve, for instance, leases or even options to buy.

2365
03:45:51,400 --> 03:45:57,140
those kind of things. It's actually where the real property is held through, like I say,

2366
03:45:57,280 --> 03:46:02,760
a V, or other legal instrument, tax foreclosed. That's really beyond my understanding. Perhaps

2367
03:46:02,760 --> 03:46:07,100
Steve Shift, you could answer that. I don't know in those pieces that the local governments,

2368
03:46:07,200 --> 03:46:12,940
I think there's a process for the local government takes title to the property. It doesn't happen

2369
03:46:12,940 --> 03:46:17,320
automatically. So I may depend on where the property is in the process.

2370
03:46:18,000 --> 03:46:21,960
Yeah, that's it. Thank you. That helps. It's about a seven-year process from when you stop

2371
03:46:21,960 --> 03:46:27,360
paying taxes. So when we would take title, but we do eventually take titles. So that it sounds like

2372
03:46:27,360 --> 03:46:32,480
this actually could include that. It'd be curious what Steve's thought as well.

2373
03:46:34,520 --> 03:46:34,520
But

2374
03:46:34,520 --> 03:46:42,080
if it does include tax for closures, then I mean, all the more important to get local property managers

2375
03:46:42,080 --> 03:46:48,440
involved. And I would say that there's a lot of rules we have to follow around text for closed

2376
03:46:48,440 --> 03:46:56,920
property already. We can't add value to the property, for example. Also, I don't know how all

2377
03:46:56,920 --> 03:47:02,460
county departments work, but a lot of them work. The only money we have to clean up properties,

2378
03:47:02,600 --> 03:47:11,960
because a lot of properties we get are environmental hazards, they have tires, they have a

2379
03:47:11,960 --> 03:47:19,160
removed. The only way we have those monies to clean up those properties is by selling other properties.

2380
03:47:20,300 --> 03:47:26,080
And so it's kind of a self-generating revenue in order for that department to be able to keep cleaning things up.

2381
03:47:28,040 --> 03:47:38,400
So, it's tricky to have to necessarily put all that into a affordable housing or taking it off our inventory potentially because that's how we're able to clean property up.

2382
03:47:38,400 --> 03:47:43,940
And we've had some doosies in this county as well that we've had to deal with tax

2383
03:47:43,940 --> 03:47:47,620
for closed junkyards and that kind of stuff, which have just been nightmares.

2384
03:47:48,240 --> 03:47:52,360
This additional thing I just wanted a little bit into the weeds, but I think it's something

2385
03:47:52,360 --> 03:47:58,460
that's actually aware of is the big issue with tax for closed property that we've had

2386
03:47:58,460 --> 03:48:06,120
recently and we've gifted the last year several available lots to some nonprofit partners

2387
03:48:06,120 --> 03:48:11,640
to do affordable housing, there's very specific reasons you can give tax for a post property

2388
03:48:11,640 --> 03:48:12,080
away.

2389
03:48:12,200 --> 03:48:16,300
But affordable housing is one of those reasons, and we have done that very recently.

2390
03:48:17,620 --> 03:48:24,380
A couple of them went to habitat for humanity and all of those entities as well as private

2391
03:48:24,380 --> 03:48:27,220
buyers are having a very difficult time with title insurance.

2392
03:48:28,180 --> 03:48:34,160
To the point that habitat is at this point not able to actually build on those, because

2393
03:48:34,160 --> 03:48:41,880
title insurance problems. So just to note that sounds really great, but there is kind of some

2394
03:48:41,880 --> 03:48:46,600
stuff in the weeds that needs to be worked through, I guess.

2395
03:48:49,140 --> 03:48:51,000
Yeah, all good points. It makes me

2396
03:48:52,100 --> 03:48:59,740
why the question comes to my mind then, with this inventory, is it just a point in time inventory

2397
03:48:59,740 --> 03:49:07,340
or is it a living one where in fact new information becomes available and somebody in two years

2398
03:49:07,340 --> 03:49:12,340
now would be able to know the current status of various properties? Do you know the answer that

2399
03:49:12,340 --> 03:49:19,420
Palmer? Tom is a very good question, Chair McArthur, and as you point out it builds on the questions

2400
03:49:19,420 --> 03:49:26,220
by the other commissioners, we have some discretion to sort through that. The legislation is pretty

2401
03:49:27,480 --> 03:49:32,100
broad or maybe not broad at the right way where it gives the department a lot of discretion

2402
03:49:32,100 --> 03:49:40,480
to decide what the template looks like that goes out to local garments when they submit an

2403
03:49:40,480 --> 03:49:46,740
identify information around these surplus properties and it doesn't say that the database

2404
03:49:46,740 --> 03:49:55,440
should be updated but I think that's implied because every couple years we send this request

2405
03:49:55,440 --> 03:49:59,300
out or actually rather the burden is on the government's, but we'll vote for the government's,

2406
03:49:59,360 --> 03:49:59,960
rather, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or, or.

2407
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:07,180
So, provide us information on, like, a two-year cycle to the on annual cycle, and then we

2408
03:50:07,180 --> 03:50:11,260
report to the legislative transfer to your cycle and remembering the bill that are now as I speak.

2409
03:50:11,900 --> 03:50:20,000
But it allows for the opportunity for updating, and we can make this a form that's very

2410
03:50:20,600 --> 03:50:26,100
sparse, and has just a few key details, or we can make it more detailed. And the one thing I will

2411
03:50:26,100 --> 03:50:31,080
say is that the legislation is very clear that a department is not going to do any independent

2412
03:50:31,080 --> 03:50:35,860
verification of the information. We are relying on the honor system. So whatever local

2413
03:50:35,860 --> 03:50:42,740
governments provide to us, we're going to assume that face value is correct. And the reason we

2414
03:50:42,740 --> 03:50:51,800
wrote the legislation that way is that those sponsors intent was not to have a database that was

2415
03:50:51,800 --> 03:51:03,080
certainly the most robust, but as you said, Chair McArthur, it was a starting point to allow people interested in acquiring that property to go to the county or the city and have a discussion.

2416
03:51:04,200 --> 03:51:09,980
Around whether it made sense to be gifted that property or for them to purchase it from the local government.

2417
03:51:10,380 --> 03:51:18,720
And in that conversation, they could talk about things like clean up and do diligence and title insurance and all that could be part of the negotiation around the property.

2418
03:51:18,720 --> 03:51:35,840
So we were really kind of, this database is a clearing house, a place for people to look because we made it easy. It's all in one place. But the level of data is something we control barren mind though. We're going to rely on the honor system for for that data.

2419
03:51:36,360 --> 03:51:39,160
Very helpful Palmer. Thank you.

2420
03:51:39,160 --> 03:51:43,160
any other commissioners have questions about 2019?

2421
03:51:46,800 --> 03:51:48,300
Not seeing any hands.

2422
03:51:48,700 --> 03:51:51,540
Sadie, you can move on. All right. Thank you, Chair MacArthur.

2423
03:51:52,780 --> 03:51:54,700
Something against my slide here.

2424
03:51:56,710 --> 03:52:00,550
There we go. You've already talked quite a bit about this piece

2425
03:52:00,550 --> 03:52:06,750
of legislation. Senate Bill 762 is the world for omnibus legislation for the state of Oregon.

2426
03:52:06,750 --> 03:52:16,090
It requires a lot of coordination between the agencies that are included and probably some

2427
03:52:16,090 --> 03:52:19,890
coordination with agencies that are not specifically named in the bill.

2428
03:52:21,070 --> 03:52:28,590
DLCDE is required in the legislation to provide .15FTE, so that's six hours a week, to support

2429
03:52:28,590 --> 03:52:33,510
the new wildfire advisory council and state wildfire program director out of the governor's

2430
03:52:33,510 --> 03:52:34,250
office.

2431
03:52:34,250 --> 03:52:48,410
DLCD also got one new permanent FTE to support the wildfire work, and I think we anticipate hiring someone to that position in fall, late fall, perhaps of 2021.

2432
03:52:49,830 --> 03:53:01,250
And then by October 1st, 2022, DLCD is required to report to the legislature on the elements that are in the bill,

2433
03:53:01,250 --> 03:53:03,550
which I can sort of read through again,

2434
03:53:03,610 --> 03:53:06,650
if it would be helpful to remind folks

2435
03:53:06,650 --> 03:53:09,490
that the places where the statewide land

2436
03:53:09,490 --> 03:53:12,410
is planning program and local comprehensive plans

2437
03:53:12,410 --> 03:53:16,410
and zoning codes need update in order to coordinate

2438
03:53:16,410 --> 03:53:20,110
a wildfire risk map and minimize wildfire risk.

2439
03:53:20,770 --> 03:53:23,750
And as Palmer pointed out in the discussion earlier,

2440
03:53:24,670 --> 03:53:28,430
it also asks DLCD to report on the appropriate level

2441
03:53:28,430 --> 03:53:29,950
of state and local resources,

2442
03:53:29,950 --> 03:53:32,450
is so funding needed for effective implementation.

2443
03:53:32,850 --> 03:53:34,430
So state would be, you know,

2444
03:53:34,530 --> 03:53:37,290
if we needed additional staff at DLCD

2445
03:53:37,290 --> 03:53:40,170
to support local governments implementing this.

2446
03:53:40,450 --> 03:53:42,390
But it certainly is a high priority item.

2447
03:53:42,410 --> 03:53:45,850
I think for the state and for the legislature this past session.

2448
03:53:49,180 --> 03:53:52,100
And that is, I think, let me just check my notes here

2449
03:53:52,100 --> 03:53:53,560
to make sure I didn't miss anything.

2450
03:53:56,990 --> 03:54:01,910
No, I do, I will say that in a coordination meeting

2451
03:54:01,910 --> 03:54:08,530
a few weeks ago, we know the commission will get several updates on this and we think that perhaps

2452
03:54:08,530 --> 03:54:14,370
as early as July, next year, so a year from now, you would be seeing a draft version of this

2453
03:54:14,370 --> 03:54:18,910
report to the legislature, because before it goes to them, we of course want your input,

2454
03:54:19,970 --> 03:54:25,830
but then in addition to that, we will need to do a public process and then coordinate with the

2455
03:54:25,830 --> 03:54:32,790
wildfire programs director, that position is tasked with sort of overall implementation of all the

2456
03:54:32,790 --> 03:54:39,370
different elements in Senate Bill 762. So a big job. Any questions on this?

2457
03:54:44,870 --> 03:54:48,150
I don't see anyone with their hand up, say hi.

2458
03:54:50,780 --> 03:54:57,360
I'm going to talk to you pretty extensively about package 90, which is focused on rural transportation

2459
03:54:57,360 --> 03:54:59,960
and equity, DLCD received one note.

2460
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:10,160
and dollars to support this work, and that is a position and then also local grant funding to help identify equity

2461
03:55:10,160 --> 03:55:16,620
driven strategies that will increase the possibility of smaller communities around Oregon receiving

2462
03:55:16,620 --> 03:55:24,900
O. Grant funds through their funding cycles with an emphasis on transportation choices and in particular active modes.

2463
03:55:24,900 --> 03:55:32,640
So that would be cycling, cycling, walking, and accessing transit, as opposed to using

2464
03:55:32,640 --> 03:55:34,320
the vehicles to travel.

2465
03:55:36,120 --> 03:55:40,980
And then finally, one for just one second, I'm sorry.

2466
03:55:42,020 --> 03:55:49,260
So is there anything in the legislation that sort of directs or suggests and activities in

2467
03:55:49,260 --> 03:55:50,600
the part of ODOT for this?

2468
03:55:50,600 --> 03:56:10,080
I mean, I'm just curious because I mean, if the way it reads is that we get money to help locals apply for a fellow state agency dollars and which I think it's great, that's wonderful, but if the other state agency isn't sort of compelled to act on those in a certain way, how does that work?

2469
03:56:12,630 --> 03:56:18,330
I'm not sure. I have the answer for you, Chair MacArthur, but perhaps someone else could speak to that.

2470
03:56:18,330 --> 03:56:20,150
Did you term a curther?

2471
03:56:20,510 --> 03:56:21,030
Please.

2472
03:56:21,510 --> 03:56:22,110
If you don't mind.

2473
03:56:22,830 --> 03:56:24,450
So, Kirsten Green here.

2474
03:56:26,450 --> 03:56:31,430
This was, this concept was developed in, in, in absolute partnership with ODOT.

2475
03:56:31,630 --> 03:56:33,410
And I'm at a piece in the climate office.

2476
03:56:34,310 --> 03:56:38,170
And Karen, Chris Will, who leaves the active transportation program there.

2477
03:56:38,190 --> 03:56:43,490
So, they're parallel professionals over ODOT leading large groups of staff and large amounts of funding.

2478
03:56:43,490 --> 03:57:13,210
So the governors, this actually was just a note in the governor's budget, it was half a sentence, I think, and came from the racial justice council without any definition, so we floated a few concepts around work with the mayor and the streeter in the governor's office and asked the local planners, community base organizations and others about what would be beneficial for real transportation equity, we started out actually looking as well at green at electrification.

2479
03:57:13,790 --> 03:57:25,150
But since there's so much activity on that we really landed on this idea, since ODOT is the main funder, you know, carries the bulk of the funds for any investment in state transportation,

2480
03:57:27,450 --> 03:57:42,850
that, and folks in, you know, planners and, and lack of planners city administrators and others in rural Oregon, don't necessarily have the capacity to be accessing ODOT dollars all the time and particularly with kind of new protocols around equity engagement and safety.

2481
03:57:43,450 --> 03:57:49,990
We created this idea together and it will be the idea that this staff personal will be housed in the

2482
03:57:51,030 --> 03:57:55,330
in the transportation and growth management program, which is co-managed with ODOT.

2483
03:57:55,730 --> 03:57:56,530
So thanks for the question.

2484
03:57:56,790 --> 03:57:57,970
It's probably enough for now.

2485
03:57:58,270 --> 03:57:58,570
Yeah.

2486
03:57:58,690 --> 03:57:59,010
Very much.

2487
03:57:59,150 --> 03:58:00,410
I appreciate the answer.

2488
03:58:00,830 --> 03:58:03,590
Commissioner Sondival, you have your hand up.

2489
03:58:07,640 --> 03:58:08,760
You might be unneed.

2490
03:58:10,380 --> 03:58:10,680
Yeah.

2491
03:58:10,760 --> 03:58:11,120
I works.

2492
03:58:11,140 --> 03:58:12,380
Thank you.

2493
03:58:13,140 --> 03:58:20,600
So a lot of, when I think about rural equity and related to racial kind of justice issues,

2494
03:58:21,260 --> 03:58:28,260
I think about public transportation and a lot of rural communities don't even have public transportation systems.

2495
03:58:29,880 --> 03:58:35,720
So I wonder what would be other ways of kind of operationalizing racial justice?

2496
03:58:35,720 --> 03:58:48,720
I understand the process and outreach, but it's there. Is there other tangible ways of how this is going to be operationalized?

2497
03:58:49,680 --> 03:58:50,160
Chair McArthur.

2498
03:58:51,380 --> 03:58:51,580
Chair McArthur.

2499
03:58:51,820 --> 03:58:54,120
Commissioner Sandewell, thanks for the question.

2500
03:58:55,300 --> 03:59:05,700
So, as I was talking to a planner who we all know in respect in Baker County, has very initially tried to

2501
03:59:05,700 --> 03:59:11,920
this term means for people what it could mean. She described a gap in a sidewalk that was

2502
03:59:11,920 --> 03:59:17,500
leading to a social services building that she has seen people mothers and strollers trying

2503
03:59:17,500 --> 03:59:23,080
to reach in this local estate highway. So just gaps inside walks even commissioner sandables are

2504
03:59:23,080 --> 03:59:29,520
getting and getting in line for funding, you know, odots and federal highway funding to, you know,

2505
03:59:29,640 --> 03:59:34,800
federal funding to to close those walking and biking, safe routes, gaps to the people can access,

2506
03:59:34,800 --> 03:59:42,200
You know folks experiencing low income or disabilities can access services that they need without having to get into a car.

2507
03:59:42,280 --> 03:59:50,620
I hope that helps in with the recognition of course that there really isn't transit most of our active, you know, regular routes and most of our Oregon.

2508
03:59:51,400 --> 03:59:51,640
Help that help.

2509
03:59:52,000 --> 03:59:55,380
So something like, something like safe routes to schools.

2510
03:59:56,660 --> 03:59:56,700
Yes.

2511
03:59:56,960 --> 03:59:57,520
So, okay.

2512
03:59:58,180 --> 03:59:58,340
Yes.

2513
03:59:58,380 --> 03:59:58,600
Yes.

2514
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:01,020
I see the analogy.

2515
04:00:03,590 --> 04:00:08,430
Thank you. Any other questions about this one before say it goes on to the final. I think the final topic.

2516
04:00:11,180 --> 04:00:12,060
Commissioner Jacobson.

2517
04:00:12,100 --> 04:00:13,040
Commissioner Jacobson.

2518
04:00:13,880 --> 04:00:17,340
Thanks. Just to kind of bridge two things together.

2519
04:00:19,120 --> 04:00:21,700
And also, because this is about climate inequity.

2520
04:00:22,400 --> 04:00:27,160
And as we've talked previously, both in this meeting and in other meetings that as we go through climate change,

2521
04:00:27,240 --> 04:00:32,600
we're going to see different types of disturbances, including, you know, more fire and more intense fire

2522
04:00:32,600 --> 04:00:33,780
as one example,

2523
04:00:36,080 --> 04:00:40,560
you know, I think as you look at rural transportation equity, you need to also

2524
04:00:40,560 --> 04:00:50,980
start looking at that through a disaster mitigation perspective as well. For example, we had our

2525
04:00:50,980 --> 04:00:56,800
echo mountain fire up in Otis about a year ago from now getting people out of that community,

2526
04:00:57,020 --> 04:01:02,020
which is not part of our rural transportation infrastructure. Lincoln City has been out of

2527
04:01:02,020 --> 04:01:06,520
This was incredibly difficult, because many people did not have working vehicles and everybody

2528
04:01:06,520 --> 04:01:10,360
had more people living on their property or their family and fit.

2529
04:01:10,860 --> 04:01:16,080
And the vehicle or didn't have gas money or those types of things, so there was just

2530
04:01:16,080 --> 04:01:17,040
a lot of issues.

2531
04:01:17,060 --> 04:01:23,120
There was also issues with transporting people that were on hospice care and needed not just wheelchair

2532
04:01:23,120 --> 04:01:27,720
accessible, but accessible lands and those kinds of things.

2533
04:01:27,720 --> 04:01:33,400
And so I just would say that I think you also need to think about the type of emergencies

2534
04:01:33,400 --> 04:01:38,500
that we're likely going to be dealing with here as we go forward and there certainly

2535
04:01:39,760 --> 04:01:47,680
is a lot of gaps in the sidewalk, so to speak, metaphorical gaps in the sidewalk when

2536
04:01:47,680 --> 04:01:49,360
we go through those issues.

2537
04:01:49,660 --> 04:01:51,100
Really excellent points.

2538
04:01:51,280 --> 04:01:56,180
I was wondering if some of those topics could be taken up in the wildlife or wildlife

2539
04:01:56,180 --> 04:02:04,160
your work. We have a coordinator and these are just really valuable questions and in suggestions.

2540
04:02:05,040 --> 04:02:10,000
So I don't think it's underna- and may be very well-being a portion of this, but I think it goes across

2541
04:02:10,000 --> 04:02:15,720
this particular funding source and perhaps as in other parts of our work program.

2542
04:02:18,120 --> 04:02:22,980
I'm curious if I may just acknowledge Commissioner J. Constance Point.

2543
04:02:22,980 --> 04:02:29,560
Um, that was actually one of the, one of the issues that, um, Amanda Peats, who was climate

2544
04:02:29,560 --> 04:02:35,740
office director of Nauvin elevated ODOT, um, main ideas for this funding actually was disaster

2545
04:02:35,740 --> 04:02:40,940
evacuation routes because it was coming so close after the fires and Karen, Chris, Karen,

2546
04:02:41,220 --> 04:02:47,820
the, our other partner in this that ODOT kind of oversees the bus, um, the state transportation

2547
04:02:47,820 --> 04:02:54,920
funds for a real transportation infrastructure. It was notable how the deployment of even buses

2548
04:02:54,920 --> 04:03:01,180
through the aftermath of the fires was critical. So I just wanted to let you know that Odot

2549
04:03:01,180 --> 04:03:05,580
is really interested in this well. Thanks for bringing it up. I grabbed my folder and made your note.

2550
04:03:06,000 --> 04:03:09,080
So as we head into sloping this position in the work program in the coming weeks,

2551
04:03:10,100 --> 04:03:13,860
you've helped us bring that back to the fourth. Thank you.

2552
04:03:13,860 --> 04:03:15,180
Thanks, Kirsten.

2553
04:03:17,830 --> 04:03:20,870
Okay, and next, take it away, Sadie.

2554
04:03:21,370 --> 04:03:21,570
Next time.

2555
04:03:22,470 --> 04:03:24,370
Thank you, Commissioner Jacobson, for those comments.

2556
04:03:24,550 --> 04:03:35,970
And I will say, safe evacuation is specifically called out in Senate Bill 762 as an issue for DLC to DLCD to look at and report on to the legislatures.

2557
04:03:35,990 --> 04:03:39,830
So I think there's definitely some crossover and an access there.

2558
04:03:40,190 --> 04:03:41,910
I really appreciate the comments.

2559
04:03:42,970 --> 04:03:56,110
Finally, we have House Bill 5,06, which is the end-of-session budget bill, came to us with some funding for regional housing needs analysis.

2560
04:03:57,130 --> 04:04:06,790
$1.3 million in funding to support the work, including one full-time employee, and the work addresses

2561
04:04:06,790 --> 04:04:13,090
housing needs projections related to priority populations and has Yale CD working in partnership

2562
04:04:13,090 --> 04:04:15,690
with Oregon Housing and Community Services.

2563
04:04:18,350 --> 04:04:21,990
Any questions that I'm about to give you back an hour

2564
04:04:21,990 --> 04:04:24,130
And you're gay.

2565
04:04:24,810 --> 04:04:25,690
That teaser.

2566
04:04:30,200 --> 04:04:38,820
And I'm also happy before or after the motion to take any questions about next steps

2567
04:04:38,820 --> 04:04:44,820
or the public involvement process, commissioner involvement process, kind of what we do

2568
04:04:44,820 --> 04:04:49,200
from here in terms of shaping the policy agenda and what opportunities are there.

2569
04:04:49,200 --> 04:04:54,320
But again, this is coming to you as kind of a full draft

2570
04:04:54,320 --> 04:04:55,480
in September.

2571
04:04:56,240 --> 04:04:59,680
When I think we will have a more robust conversation

2572
04:04:59,680 --> 04:04:59,980
week.

2573
04:05:00,000 --> 04:05:05,920
There will be a lot of ideas, a lot more ideas that will be soliciting your input on.

2574
04:05:06,520 --> 04:05:10,080
Yeah, and I think I'd like to have that conversation then once we kind of frame it.

2575
04:05:12,340 --> 04:05:21,560
So, I don't see any other hands up on this. And so I think you've covered all the items. Thank you for moving to the motion.

2576
04:05:22,520 --> 04:05:27,900
I believe I see Commissioner Lee Lackford, his hand up, heard my introduction chair. Thank you.

2577
04:05:27,900 --> 04:05:34,080
Yeah, thank you, Chair MacArthur, so I was just going to ask in terms of preparing for the September policy agenda discussion.

2578
04:05:35,760 --> 04:05:44,240
I don't want to say to you, but the organization began to reach out to stakeholder organizations and people involved.

2579
04:05:44,760 --> 04:05:57,020
Does that whole process begin soon to gather public input or LLC or AOC or all the different community-based organizations or all kinds of feedback?

2580
04:05:57,020 --> 04:06:02,540
Does that process begin soon for the September discussion, or does that happen before the November discussion?

2581
04:06:03,560 --> 04:06:22,760
Thank you for the question, Chairman Carter, Commissioner Lee Lack, we have kind of an official window when we are really pushing out the information and that starts right after the next commission meeting when we have solicited your feedback and gotten the kind of a first round of public comment.

2582
04:06:22,760 --> 04:06:26,020
So the 27th of September to the 14th of October.

2583
04:06:26,780 --> 04:06:32,260
But the materials that will be included in the September staff report

2584
04:06:32,260 --> 04:06:34,780
are available online two weeks in advance.

2585
04:06:34,860 --> 04:06:38,240
That's usually what leads to that first round of public comment.

2586
04:06:38,600 --> 04:06:41,120
So it's not unusual for us when presenting

2587
04:06:41,120 --> 04:06:45,800
to commission with this kind of full draft policy agenda

2588
04:06:45,800 --> 04:06:49,180
to have already received letters of comment

2589
04:06:49,180 --> 04:06:52,620
and to receive some spoken public comment

2590
04:06:52,620 --> 04:06:58,340
on the item at that time, you know, and then we'll take commissioner feedback on the items

2591
04:06:58,340 --> 04:07:04,180
there in and we'll of course continue to welcome that throughout the process. But then from the

2592
04:07:04,180 --> 04:07:11,720
the 27th of September to the 14th of October, we sit down in advance of those states with our

2593
04:07:11,720 --> 04:07:16,880
citizen involvement advisory committee review our outreach plan with them asked that they

2594
04:07:16,880 --> 04:07:23,280
form and improve our outreach plan if they have any new ideas. And then we sort of get that

2595
04:07:23,280 --> 04:07:30,700
information in front of the people, the community-based organizations, the membership organizations,

2596
04:07:32,580 --> 04:07:40,140
like the Farm Bureau and AOC and LOC, all these different groups that we know have an interest

2597
04:07:40,140 --> 04:07:47,640
in the work and outcomes. And I feel like that group gets broader as our work seems to take

2598
04:07:47,640 --> 04:07:54,300
a shift away from resource lands focused to really begin to address some of the urbanization

2599
04:07:54,300 --> 04:08:02,860
issues. So I would not be surprised to see pretty robust public comment on our policy agenda.

2600
04:08:02,920 --> 04:08:09,200
And that's one of the reasons that we have the public comment window closing on the

2601
04:08:09,200 --> 04:08:18,440
14th of October is so we have time to incorporate it into the staff report and the policy agenda, as we move forward for commission adoption in November.

2602
04:08:21,340 --> 04:08:22,680
Any follow up questions, Nick.

2603
04:08:26,550 --> 04:08:35,550
And from, do you know, so, so unlike the conforming rule making where here's the language department make that language work.

2604
04:08:35,550 --> 04:08:43,930
we know that. Unlike that, the legislative, we directed policy agenda. I'm assuming that some

2605
04:08:43,930 --> 04:08:49,330
of that work requires racks, is that correct? It was a volunteer committee and it's so

2606
04:08:49,330 --> 04:08:52,230
how many or am I wrong about that?

2607
04:08:54,770 --> 04:09:00,340
I'm just going to look over and I guess the reason I ask

2608
04:09:00,340 --> 04:09:04,280
is to really kind of understand more commissionally

2609
04:09:04,280 --> 04:09:07,960
lacks question and point at that if in fact some of that work

2610
04:09:07,960 --> 04:09:12,140
requires a rule committee then that would all in addition to

2611
04:09:12,140 --> 04:09:14,420
everything you've described in terms of outreach on the broad

2612
04:09:14,420 --> 04:09:18,540
priorities and how we spend our time there would be other

2613
04:09:18,540 --> 04:09:22,540
opportunities to include a broader array of stakeholders in the

2614
04:09:22,540 --> 04:09:24,780
actual process of evolving the language.

2615
04:09:26,480 --> 04:09:28,160
Thank you for the question, Chair MacArthur.

2616
04:09:29,480 --> 04:09:36,520
You can correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the only piece of legislation in the legislative

2617
04:09:37,160 --> 04:09:43,960
way directed policy work this time that requires an advisory committee is the undersea

2618
04:09:43,960 --> 04:09:46,600
cables and that advisory committee will be open.

2619
04:09:47,960 --> 04:09:55,200
The other items we may, I don't think that the surplus properties because it is a database

2620
04:09:55,200 --> 04:09:59,400
will require an advisory committee in its creation.

2621
04:10:00,000 --> 04:10:13,180
One that I would be a little fuzzy on because House Bill 2160, which is the city of Pendleton's UGB expansion, is pretty prescribed.

2622
04:10:13,580 --> 04:10:20,400
It does require work and presentation to the commission, but there's not a lot of interpretation for us to do with staff.

2623
04:10:20,400 --> 04:10:39,220
And then finally, 762, the omnibus wildfire legislation, again, that's something that we will include a lot of public feedback and engagement in our process of developing the report that will be submitted to the legislature and we will bring it to the commission.

2624
04:10:39,220 --> 04:10:51,080
But it's not a rule-making practice, and there's no rules that will be promulgated, and so we can sort of inform you on the process, but it won't use an advisory committee.

2625
04:10:52,950 --> 04:10:57,950
Yeah, this is Palmer, I might add, I think CED is correct about everything she said.

2626
04:10:58,190 --> 04:11:03,610
I would say with the House Bill 2019, so that's the surplus landfill.

2627
04:11:04,190 --> 04:11:10,930
I think we might as we develop the template, ask AOC and LSE and maybe you said Commissioner

2628
04:11:10,930 --> 04:11:13,610
Lee Lack, there's maybe a property manager's association.

2629
04:11:13,730 --> 04:11:19,110
We might reach out to some of those groups just to get some input, but it won't be a rule-making

2630
04:11:19,110 --> 04:11:20,010
process.

2631
04:11:20,890 --> 04:11:27,990
And then cities right on Senate Bill 762, there will certainly be a lot of public comment and stakeholder engagement.

2632
04:11:28,410 --> 04:11:49,870
We don't know yet where that will be, won't be a rule-making advisory committee, but we might put together some groups of technical experts to think about how wildfire risk mapping could get integrated into land use planning, as well as a group of more policy oriented representatives from the different groups.

2633
04:11:49,870 --> 04:11:52,710
and the different organizations that have an interest,

2634
04:11:53,210 --> 04:11:55,990
but we are still scoping that project out.

2635
04:11:57,970 --> 04:11:58,870
That's helpful.

2636
04:11:59,250 --> 04:12:03,970
And so when the poll of the large policy agenda

2637
04:12:03,970 --> 04:12:06,530
comes back to us for consideration,

2638
04:12:07,350 --> 04:12:10,170
initially in September with proposed adoption November,

2639
04:12:10,710 --> 04:12:13,750
I think in the past, staff has done a nice job

2640
04:12:13,750 --> 04:12:18,090
of describing who column describing the amount of time

2641
04:12:18,090 --> 04:12:22,950
that our energy and resource is really that are needed for each of these efforts.

2642
04:12:23,350 --> 04:12:25,790
I don't know if you'll be at that point at that time.

2643
04:12:26,990 --> 04:12:30,830
But also maybe adds a little description of just like what you've said,

2644
04:12:30,830 --> 04:12:33,830
some rise kind of the point you've said about the public outreach or engagement,

2645
04:12:33,830 --> 04:12:37,570
whatever that might be for right size, obviously, for the effort.

2646
04:12:37,770 --> 04:12:41,970
So that we are able to see that I think it's useful,

2647
04:12:42,190 --> 04:12:44,930
especially as we're thinking about equity and other kinds of things

2648
04:12:44,930 --> 04:12:51,090
to understand what processes are being used to engage folks in what kinds of topics.

2649
04:12:55,320 --> 04:12:55,520
That's great.

2650
04:12:55,540 --> 04:13:01,700
Yes, I think that the chart that we've used or table and we usually have a couple different

2651
04:13:01,700 --> 04:13:06,560
charts, more of a timeline, a game chart, and then we kind of have a more narrative-based

2652
04:13:06,560 --> 04:13:06,880
chart.

2653
04:13:07,080 --> 04:13:16,860
That information will be on there, including also what key staff will be focused on each of these

2654
04:13:16,860 --> 04:13:23,160
initiatives, whether that's conforming role making legislative directed or on agency initiatives.

2655
04:13:24,060 --> 04:13:28,860
Great. Thank you. Appreciate that. So it brings us back unless there are any other

2656
04:13:28,860 --> 04:13:38,880
commission questions that brings us back to the motion and someone is going to offer that motion

2657
04:13:38,880 --> 04:13:45,710
up and perhaps get a second we can move on. Sure. I'm happy to make the motion. Thank you.

2658
04:13:45,710 --> 04:13:50,650
I move the commission to approve the placement of the Legislative Related Policy

2659
04:13:50,650 --> 04:13:54,950
items under the 2021-2021-23 policy agenda.

2660
04:13:58,390 --> 04:13:59,650
Thank you, a second.

2661
04:14:01,710 --> 04:14:02,030
A second.

2662
04:14:03,510 --> 04:14:04,610
Thanks, Vice Chair.

2663
04:14:04,690 --> 04:14:07,510
Hello, a second in the motion, made by Commissioner Lee Lack.

2664
04:14:09,730 --> 04:14:11,430
Esther, would you call the roll?

2665
04:14:13,150 --> 04:14:13,470
Yes.

2666
04:14:14,030 --> 04:14:15,590
Commissioner, sand of all.

2667
04:14:17,930 --> 04:14:19,210
Commissioner Warren.

2668
04:14:20,130 --> 04:14:23,210
I. Commissioner Jacobson.

2669
04:14:27,730 --> 04:14:28,710
Maybe I'm mute.

2670
04:14:32,410 --> 04:14:33,790
Sorry about that. I had a rogue mouth.

2671
04:14:34,730 --> 04:14:37,050
I. Commissioner Lee Lack.

2672
04:14:37,710 --> 04:14:38,350
I.

2673
04:14:38,630 --> 04:14:39,150
Vice chair.

2674
04:14:39,250 --> 04:14:39,410
Hello.

2675
04:14:40,090 --> 04:14:40,690
Hi.

2676
04:14:41,250 --> 04:14:41,790
Chair McArthur.

2677
04:14:42,830 --> 04:14:43,050
I.

2678
04:14:43,310 --> 04:14:43,930
Thank you.

2679
04:14:44,070 --> 04:14:44,210
Esther.

2680
04:14:44,430 --> 04:14:48,070
The motion passes unanimously with commissioner's presence.

2681
04:14:48,970 --> 04:14:49,610
And commissioner.

2682
04:14:49,790 --> 04:14:51,850
Paramine has an excuse of absence.

2683
04:14:52,310 --> 04:14:58,850
Thank you, Sadie. Excellent job. Nice summary. And the whole team. Really good work. Thank you, Chair.

2684
04:14:58,950 --> 04:14:59,970
MacArthur, I look forward.

2685
04:15:02,460 --> 04:15:02,940
So,

2686
04:15:05,380 --> 04:15:17,740
we have a little bit of time. I had initially, I was texting staff to see if we can move up to days, agenda items, so that we can end a little earlier today. That's not going to work relative to some other constraints.

2687
04:15:18,580 --> 04:15:24,660
So, I think we're going to go ahead and put the commission business topic, which is item number 10.

2688
04:15:25,700 --> 04:15:35,920
And we'll just move to that. That was originally scheduled for tomorrow morning. Then what that means is we would start the climate work at 830 and give us more time for that.

2689
04:15:35,920 --> 04:15:41,640
Um, rather than start at nine. So, uh, we'll move commission business for now.

2690
04:15:42,440 --> 04:15:46,580
Reef time. And then I think we'll be back on schedule.

2691
04:15:47,600 --> 04:15:51,460
So thanks everyone who texted me with your thoughts about how to do that. I appreciate it.

2692
04:15:52,480 --> 04:16:00,400
So commission business. Uh, important thing to focus on first is the, um, the budget and

2693
04:16:00,400 --> 04:16:05,660
management subcommittee report, which is attached to that agenda item.

2694
04:16:07,000 --> 04:16:11,140
And Carol Bovett has a much deserved date off today,

2695
04:16:11,140 --> 04:16:14,320
normally you're used to seeing her, but we have her very

2696
04:16:14,320 --> 04:16:18,520
competent assistant, and that's for sure.

2697
04:16:19,320 --> 04:16:24,500
So I am just going to turn it over to you if I should make sure

2698
04:16:24,500 --> 04:16:26,720
you're ready because we did kind of switch things around.

2699
04:16:26,860 --> 04:16:28,280
I think you were alerted to this change.

2700
04:16:28,280 --> 04:16:30,000
I am ready.

2701
04:16:31,100 --> 04:16:32,020
Well, Corbot, take it away.

2702
04:16:32,360 --> 04:16:32,960
Thank you.

2703
04:16:33,260 --> 04:16:34,000
Excuse me.

2704
04:16:34,200 --> 04:16:34,440
I'm sorry.

2705
04:16:34,660 --> 04:16:35,980
This is Mr. Chairman Carthor.

2706
04:16:36,340 --> 04:16:40,780
I just wanted to add that we do not have public comment for agenda items.

2707
04:16:41,600 --> 04:16:42,680
Six and seven.

2708
04:16:43,260 --> 04:16:43,340
Great.

2709
04:16:43,640 --> 04:16:44,000
Thank you.

2710
04:16:44,020 --> 04:16:45,000
I didn't see that on my list.

2711
04:16:45,140 --> 04:16:46,600
I should have asked you.

2712
04:16:46,800 --> 04:16:46,880
Okay.

2713
04:16:46,880 --> 04:16:47,160
Thank you.

2714
04:16:47,720 --> 04:16:50,520
Thank you.

2715
04:16:50,520 --> 04:16:51,600
Well, thank you, Chair.

2716
04:16:51,680 --> 04:16:52,760
My Carthor, Vice Chair.

2717
04:16:52,940 --> 04:16:55,740
And the rest of the commissioners is really nice.

2718
04:16:55,740 --> 04:17:02,640
I'm happy to get a chance to see you kind of face to face and get a chance to present to you today in Carol's absence.

2719
04:17:03,640 --> 04:17:10,600
Since I haven't done this before, I'm not exactly sure on the process. So Esther, I'm going to ask you, should I share my screen with the budget or you're going to.

2720
04:17:10,740 --> 04:17:12,960
Okay, thank you.

2721
04:17:14,420 --> 04:17:22,360
We did present a few days ago to the subcommittee and Vice Chair Helova asked for a couple things.

2722
04:17:22,360 --> 04:17:34,160
one is just table you see before you just to show you the vacancies we have. Earlier you can see one is filled our human resources analyst and tailoring him at earlier.

2723
04:17:35,660 --> 04:17:44,260
She's going to have her hands full the next few months. So these are the positions we currently have open sorted out into positions that we're already existing.

2724
04:17:44,260 --> 04:17:53,260
And the new positions that we received during the biennium that we've had a lot of information presenting on already today.

2725
04:17:54,140 --> 04:17:58,600
So seven, it's equally divided, seven in each category of existing and news.

2726
04:17:58,700 --> 04:18:09,060
We have four of those currently posted and the management has come up with pretty aggressive but doable schedule to try and get these filled over the next two to three months.

2727
04:18:11,680 --> 04:18:14,760
Is there any questions in the matter if we can go to the next slide on the budget?

2728
04:18:14,760 --> 04:18:18,200
I think you can move on.

2729
04:18:20,100 --> 04:18:21,400
Oh, I'm sorry, Michelle.

2730
04:18:21,540 --> 04:18:22,240
This is Esther.

2731
04:18:22,900 --> 04:18:23,600
Is it safe?

2732
04:18:23,940 --> 04:18:24,220
Yes.

2733
04:18:24,560 --> 04:18:24,700
OK.

2734
04:18:24,920 --> 04:18:27,020
Should I put pull up the budget report?

2735
04:18:27,340 --> 04:18:28,200
That would be great.

2736
04:18:28,640 --> 04:18:30,140
Thank you.

2737
04:18:30,300 --> 04:18:31,200
This is going to stop.

2738
04:18:35,280 --> 04:18:35,760
OK.

2739
04:18:36,100 --> 04:18:40,520
So again, you've seen a lot of this information presented here.

2740
04:18:40,700 --> 04:18:44,920
It's a very quick table showing the different bills.

2741
04:18:45,340 --> 04:18:48,860
We've got four different bills that are funding us this by NM.

2742
04:18:48,860 --> 04:18:59,360
Our usual budget bill, the so-called Christmas tree bill that gave us quite a bit of extra money in general funds mostly for grants and a couple of positions.

2743
04:19:00,380 --> 04:19:05,860
One permanent and one limited duration to help manage a lot of that grant money coming in.

2744
04:19:06,180 --> 04:19:16,060
And then our two smaller bills, the undersea cable bill and the IT IT project to come up with a system to track

2745
04:19:16,620 --> 04:19:19,280
state agencies, a surplus real property.

2746
04:19:19,960 --> 04:19:21,080
So that did not come with a position,

2747
04:19:21,180 --> 04:19:23,040
but came with some funding to build that.

2748
04:19:23,140 --> 04:19:24,300
And as of this morning,

2749
04:19:24,820 --> 04:19:27,520
that had not been signed by the governor yet.

2750
04:19:28,080 --> 04:19:31,220
And the reason I bring that up is as the next piece,

2751
04:19:32,320 --> 04:19:35,480
by Shera Hlovo was asking about kind of a breakout

2752
04:19:35,480 --> 04:19:39,280
of the programs and operational versus different kinds

2753
04:19:39,280 --> 04:19:41,060
of breakouts pictorially,

2754
04:19:41,160 --> 04:19:42,660
hopefully maybe in some pie charts.

2755
04:19:43,460 --> 04:19:45,140
And we are now in the process

2756
04:19:45,140 --> 04:19:50,460
over the next couple of weeks of taking all these little line items that make up this funding

2757
04:19:50,460 --> 04:19:56,480
and entering it into the state budget system so that we have our reporting structure in place

2758
04:19:56,480 --> 04:19:59,960
for the state level. So we will be presenting some...

2759
04:20:00,000 --> 04:20:05,740
More detailed information after we have that entered and all reconciled in the September meeting.

2760
04:20:07,080 --> 04:20:13,960
And then Carol put together this really nice table here for the past few biannians showing you

2761
04:20:13,960 --> 04:20:26,580
the funds and the positions as they've gone up and down over time. So you can see we've not really doubled in the past 10 years, but getting close to that.

2762
04:20:26,580 --> 04:20:33,660
And a good five plus million more than last by NM, which would be about a between 15, 18% increase,

2763
04:20:34,500 --> 04:20:39,580
with some more positions, some are LD, couple of permanent, and the big celebration of getting

2764
04:20:39,580 --> 04:20:42,500
all those housing LD positions permanent now.

2765
04:20:45,230 --> 04:20:47,750
Another breakout of the policy option packages that

2766
04:20:47,750 --> 04:20:54,300
have been discussed today with their amounts and the positions that come with them. And a little bit

2767
04:20:54,300 --> 04:21:04,540
information on the undersea cable project and the development of that tracker for the real property,

2768
04:21:04,560 --> 04:21:10,780
surplus real property. And then here is the little is a very high level breakout of our funds

2769
04:21:10,780 --> 04:21:13,740
we received in that end of session or Christmas tree bill.

2770
04:21:16,040 --> 04:21:17,540
So you've seen all this information presented.

2771
04:21:17,600 --> 04:21:23,620
This is just a super compact way. We'll be getting you some more details so you can see that

2772
04:21:23,620 --> 04:21:28,740
September and I'm open for any questions, anybody has any?

2773
04:21:29,340 --> 04:21:31,200
Thank you, Rachelle. Questions?

2774
04:21:35,980 --> 04:21:43,660
I don't see any hands up, partly because Jim talked about it, and then we talked about it again under the legislative piece.

2775
04:21:44,580 --> 04:21:54,980
So I think commissioners have said a lot, and I want to thank you for jumping in and taking this for Carol,

2776
04:21:54,980 --> 04:22:21,300
But also for the effort that you and Carol went through over the past year to sort of keep the lights on at the agency given the huge budget cuts that we had faced and had to make as of last September October, I understand you and Carol worked really hard to make sure that we did as little as possible did as much as possible on reducing funds and other categories to support staff.

2777
04:22:21,300 --> 04:22:23,200
And so thanks for that effort.

2778
04:22:23,420 --> 04:22:25,300
And then now we're in this wonderful situation

2779
04:22:25,300 --> 04:22:27,680
where perhaps you can build things up a little bit.

2780
04:22:28,280 --> 04:22:31,040
So I know it's, you don't often thank the budget folks,

2781
04:22:31,560 --> 04:22:33,700
but they don't want to do their magic behind the scenes.

2782
04:22:33,900 --> 04:22:34,480
So thank you.

2783
04:22:34,480 --> 04:22:36,460
We like being in the background anyway, sir.

2784
04:22:37,060 --> 04:22:38,520
Thank you all for your work and thanks

2785
04:22:38,520 --> 04:22:40,760
for the opportunity to present today.

2786
04:22:41,800 --> 04:22:42,240
Great.

2787
04:22:42,900 --> 04:22:45,400
Well, having no more questions, we want to thank you for that.

2788
04:22:47,020 --> 04:22:50,360
And under Commission Business, I wanted to mention,

2789
04:22:50,360 --> 04:22:57,040
I think I've mentioned it before, but reiterate that your mind's last commission meeting is

2790
04:22:57,040 --> 04:23:02,540
in September, you really hope to have that meeting in person for a lot of reasons, but for

2791
04:23:02,540 --> 04:23:09,460
one reason we could actually celebrate her in person, which would be nice. And I know that Jim and

2792
04:23:09,460 --> 04:23:16,580
others are working on finding the right person to take her place on the commission and fill out

2793
04:23:16,580 --> 04:23:21,800
that complementive of kind of interest in responsibilities that she currently brings.

2794
04:23:22,540 --> 04:23:27,920
So I don't know if you have anything to add to that jam on what's happening or not, but.

2795
04:23:28,620 --> 04:23:31,580
Not a lot, just a little bit.

2796
04:23:32,940 --> 04:23:33,420
Excuse me.

2797
04:23:35,380 --> 04:23:42,060
We've tried to have a alignment valley farmer represented.

2798
04:23:43,520 --> 04:23:52,420
Katie was not exactly that because she doesn't live on the farm anymore, but she came out

2799
04:23:52,420 --> 04:23:59,720
of Department of Ag. She's worked in food systems, and she comes from a very well-established,

2800
04:23:59,720 --> 04:24:09,340
multi-generational family farm in the Jervus Woodburn area. And so my real focus is to try to find

2801
04:24:09,340 --> 04:24:18,120
somebody who is a working farmer. We haven't had that directly represented for a little while

2802
04:24:18,120 --> 04:24:24,120
and it's a critical part of the program and so I continue to look and I'm going to be in touch

2803
04:24:24,120 --> 04:24:35,620
with Department of Ag and others. I have a couple of ideas but my first idea was rendered unavailable

2804
04:24:35,620 --> 04:24:38,700
last week and so I'm just going to keep poking around.

2805
04:24:40,020 --> 04:24:41,860
Thanks, Jim, appreciate that.

2806
04:24:42,820 --> 04:24:51,240
And if I may, I know Esther's in charge of all of this, but since we are running 50-ish minutes

2807
04:24:51,240 --> 04:24:59,960
early. I wonder if John could do his presentation before we move to the house.

2808
04:25:02,700 --> 04:25:19,640
Well, I think we, I could certainly talk to Esther. I was texting her about that I think we're going to be on schedule and take our break between two, oh, no, we're not two, three, it's not only two. Well, I don't think can we start, John. You're thinking, starting, haven't been finishing up later?

2809
04:25:19,640 --> 04:25:27,720
Well, I don't know. I know that the city of Sandy is time-bound, but since you had spent

2810
04:25:27,720 --> 04:25:35,500
a fair bit of time talking about the wildfire rulemaking, I was wondering if we could possibly

2811
04:25:35,500 --> 04:25:43,080
squeeze it in before picking up the city of Sandy at 245. I mean, we're 15 minutes early.

2812
04:25:43,080 --> 04:25:50,820
You're yes totally get that and that would be delight if John. I see his his wolf or his a bear there

2813
04:25:52,380 --> 04:25:59,860
That could speak to us. I think that's his up. This is what it's a dog

2814
04:25:59,860 --> 04:26:06,380
I am here just give me give me give me like 30 seconds if that's okay

2815
04:26:06,380 --> 04:26:11,840
Yes, you have 30 seconds and Jim's gonna tell jokes. No, I thought that was a bear. That is a huge dog

2816
04:26:14,800 --> 04:26:16,120
Good chair, my car.

2817
04:26:16,700 --> 04:26:39,260
With the scheduled break at 230 and City of Sandy scheduled for 245, we would have about 30 minutes for John to present perhaps half of his presentation, or if if it's a timely presentation, perhaps we can finish it in 30 minutes.

2818
04:26:40,420 --> 04:26:47,140
That's, that's going to be a challenge to John. So let's just say that John's going to get it done in 35 minutes.

2819
04:26:49,080 --> 04:26:55,760
I think it's a challenge, but I also, I wonder, I know, I know the city of Sandy was invited for a certain time and I appreciate that I wonder if we could

2820
04:26:56,540 --> 04:27:00,680
push that back 15 minutes or up, I guess, as the way it would work.

2821
04:27:01,200 --> 04:27:05,660
And maybe have that agenda item start 15 minutes later just to give us a little more leeway.

2822
04:27:05,660 --> 04:27:08,040
I am goofing around a little bit with the break, too,

2823
04:27:08,040 --> 04:27:10,680
and I apologize for folks who had planned to do things

2824
04:27:10,680 --> 04:27:13,120
with kids or whatever during that time frame,

2825
04:27:13,740 --> 04:27:17,580
but let's go ahead with John and we can do with it.

2826
04:27:19,480 --> 04:27:21,840
And it feels like it's too rush.

2827
04:27:21,980 --> 04:27:24,380
We can continue it to later, apologies for that.

2828
04:27:24,380 --> 04:27:26,880
But if we can't get it done, as Jim said,

2829
04:27:27,680 --> 04:27:30,880
we talked a lot about this in May.

2830
04:27:31,080 --> 04:27:32,720
We were very close to adoption,

2831
04:27:32,720 --> 04:27:37,860
but there was just one either issue we wanted to look at and that was the goal 14 process.

2832
04:27:38,860 --> 04:27:46,340
So, John, take it away. So, thank you, Chair MacArthur and Vice Chair Hello, I'm John Jennings.

2833
04:27:46,620 --> 04:27:49,000
I'm the Department of Community Service Specialist. Thank you.

2834
04:27:49,660 --> 04:27:54,530
It's happening from Reverend Oregon. I'm going to share my screen. I hope.

2835
04:28:00,740 --> 04:28:06,040
I'm going to try this again, please bear with me.

2836
04:28:06,060 --> 04:28:08,180
I got a little flat footed.

2837
04:28:08,320 --> 04:28:09,100
Yeah, go ahead.

2838
04:28:09,460 --> 04:28:11,040
I'm sorry about that.

2839
04:28:13,010 --> 04:28:13,530
Let's see here.

2840
04:28:13,650 --> 04:28:17,890
I want to be able to try

2841
04:28:20,510 --> 04:28:21,330
this.

2842
04:28:23,290 --> 04:28:23,510
Okay.

2843
04:28:23,610 --> 04:28:24,930
Are you able to see that?

2844
04:28:26,610 --> 04:28:27,470
Yes, we are.

2845
04:28:27,810 --> 04:28:28,410
If you are.

2846
04:28:29,090 --> 04:28:32,450
When I'd like to apologize, my son's working in the market

2847
04:28:32,450 --> 04:28:38,030
and had left the dog inside, and so he is disappointed with that situation.

2848
04:28:38,330 --> 04:28:42,830
So he may express that disappointment, that's the route to the right of him here.

2849
04:28:43,090 --> 04:28:48,790
So I apologize in advance, but I'd like to do this kind of sale through the power point.

2850
04:28:49,830 --> 04:28:54,370
And then we can look at the draft language or not.

2851
04:28:55,810 --> 04:29:00,130
But as you recall, and some of those we were done to, so I'll try to, I'll try to move swiftly.

2852
04:29:00,130 --> 04:29:04,210
We're really looking at demanding six administrative rules.

2853
04:29:04,850 --> 04:29:08,310
Five of those rules, I believe we settled last time.

2854
04:29:08,690 --> 04:29:12,350
So it's exactly what I'm really going to focus only on the division of 14 parts.

2855
04:29:12,930 --> 04:29:16,590
Again, these rules apply to an appropriate fees.

2856
04:29:16,970 --> 04:29:21,070
You know, they've visible towns, but they're, or cities, but they're not.

2857
04:29:21,130 --> 04:29:22,310
They don't have their own municipal government.

2858
04:29:22,350 --> 04:29:24,230
This is O'Dell in Pittsburgh County.

2859
04:29:24,610 --> 04:29:28,570
Royal residential areas, which, again, are rural areas that have these features of an

2860
04:29:28,570 --> 04:29:36,250
overhead, and an protected integral three or four, four slans. That's a beautiful shot from the

2861
04:29:36,250 --> 04:29:41,230
part of four to three, a foreign land, which is also a beautiful shot of some, I believe,

2862
04:29:41,470 --> 04:29:47,250
a CN health county credit gives you part of agriculture. And so this is kind of a summary of

2863
04:29:47,250 --> 04:29:55,190
our items and on the left hand side, the direct land use opportunities for those five divisions

2864
04:29:55,190 --> 04:29:59,850
that I think that I think would cover really speak to county's being able to direct.

2865
04:30:00,000 --> 04:30:14,420
I apply provisions to have opportunities for temporary residents and campgrounds, storage, what's left is to talk a little bit more about honing the dual-14 exception to use.

2866
04:30:14,480 --> 04:30:22,020
That would be a complex of plan and minutes that would be available in a way that's not available right now.

2867
04:30:22,020 --> 04:30:27,560
really quickly I thought it might be a whole maybe not maybe can you see this, but I want

2868
04:30:27,560 --> 04:30:35,200
to try to do just very quickly sort of identify some differences on the on the far left

2869
04:30:35,200 --> 04:30:40,340
hand side and the kind of reddish color rest of the color is the language in statewide planning

2870
04:30:40,340 --> 04:30:47,140
go to pertaining to exceptions and that language is further refined and implemented through

2871
04:30:47,140 --> 04:30:55,660
administrative rule. So, where the language in goal 2 says, for example, local government may adopt

2872
04:30:55,660 --> 04:31:01,380
an executive to the goal in, and then it was on talk about meeting following standards.

2873
04:31:02,860 --> 04:31:06,280
The language in division 14 right now, which we're looking at,

2874
04:31:07,060 --> 04:31:14,960
generally, and interpret that curious through it with free discretionary types of tests. So,

2875
04:31:14,960 --> 04:31:22,580
talks about, for example, in the bottom, you don't know if you can see that, if it really

2876
04:31:22,580 --> 04:31:27,520
would go to or met by showing the proposed urban development cannot be accommodated in or through

2877
04:31:27,520 --> 04:31:32,420
expansion of existing urban growth boundaries. And so on and so forth. So that's a pretty

2878
04:31:33,180 --> 04:31:37,700
discretionary test that requires a lot of evidence and judgment on the part of the decision

2879
04:31:37,700 --> 04:31:45,340
bankers, by comparison, the rule would be looking at adopting today that, you know, it's a special

2880
04:31:45,340 --> 04:31:52,420
type of reasons exception in both 14, specifically for temporary naturals after living

2881
04:31:53,960 --> 04:32:00,820
sheltering, and it's really tied to their being losses due to wildfire, and those losses

2882
04:32:00,820 --> 04:32:08,660
being recognized through executive orders by the governor and that instead of applying

2883
04:32:09,300 --> 04:32:14,200
very discretionary tests that we tried to make it more clear and objective. So for example,

2884
04:32:14,900 --> 04:32:20,900
rather than showing that it can't be reasonably accommodated so on and so forth, we're saying

2885
04:32:20,900 --> 04:32:27,960
the commission would be declaring that that provision is satisfied because, for example here in the

2886
04:32:27,960 --> 04:32:36,080
last box and the right hand side, the applicant is a tribe or a public agency and the area.

2887
04:32:37,000 --> 04:32:44,340
Going to the pretty quickly, I know, but the area is within an area identified in executive order, if you're by the governor.

2888
04:32:45,200 --> 04:32:55,320
So we really reduced that highly discretionary tests to something that's more clear and objective and can be identified more swiftly.

2889
04:32:55,320 --> 04:33:00,960
So we've really kind of provided, I would call it a turn key type of exception opportunity.

2890
04:33:01,940 --> 04:33:06,260
And in addition to the turn key means all you have to do is open the door and it's everything's ready.

2891
04:33:07,760 --> 04:33:13,840
We've really kind of really kind of creating that sort of pathway for this special opportunity.

2892
04:33:15,100 --> 04:33:21,860
As before, we're really looking at a temporary urban development outside of urban growth boundaries nearby but outside.

2893
04:33:22,820 --> 04:33:32,260
And we're really wanting to provide efficient response, allowing enabling applicants, and jurisdictions to act quickly.

2894
04:33:34,660 --> 04:33:39,760
And officially, you know, get tied to the governance disaster declarations.

2895
04:33:40,000 --> 04:33:41,440
You have to come up to be a public agency.

2896
04:33:41,620 --> 04:33:45,860
You know, we believe that we'll safeguard against any sort of mischief.

2897
04:33:46,020 --> 04:33:48,840
Not that that would necessarily happen, but I think that would help.

2898
04:33:48,840 --> 04:33:51,900
and also that this needs to be moved.

2899
04:33:51,900 --> 04:33:53,520
It's removed when it's done longer necessary.

2900
04:33:54,920 --> 04:33:55,520
So,

2901
04:33:57,540 --> 04:34:02,480
the items that we went through and spoke to last time,

2902
04:34:02,580 --> 04:34:06,400
last hearing in May was that we revised some language

2903
04:34:06,400 --> 04:34:06,820
choices.

2904
04:34:07,000 --> 04:34:11,140
You'll recall we shifted from interim housing to just really

2905
04:34:11,140 --> 04:34:13,700
relying on some sheltering, to avoid confusion

2906
04:34:14,440 --> 04:34:17,420
between the needed housing conversation and anything else,

2907
04:34:17,420 --> 04:34:23,740
building what was sheltering. Same thing, me, the same thing. We've made sure of that. The cities

2908
04:34:23,740 --> 04:34:27,020
were looking to have a room grow found. You first, you know, we thought that was a reasonable

2909
04:34:27,020 --> 04:34:31,240
thing for them to do. Now, it's not as far as you is as a build-able anti-inventory or something

2910
04:34:31,240 --> 04:34:37,380
like that, but we're walking to look first. A removal plan is required so that the applicant would

2911
04:34:37,380 --> 04:34:45,580
present the county with their plan for removing things when it's not underneath it. And we provided

2912
04:34:45,580 --> 04:34:50,880
some direction for implementation with regard to overlays on how the actual implementing

2913
04:34:50,880 --> 04:34:58,000
ordinance or instrument would put function and offer the relief from the timeframes and the

2914
04:34:58,940 --> 04:34:59,960
I've hoped you acknowledge me.

2915
04:35:00,000 --> 04:35:13,840
Notice, requirements. We, you, we help them out in the, the 35 day timeframe is, is waves. So it gives, you know, allow, allow us a little more swiftness in terms of, in terms of application.

2916
04:35:13,840 --> 04:35:20,260
And I think we've heard from the submission of which we, we worked hard to address, I think

2917
04:35:20,260 --> 04:35:25,640
we got a pretty good job at that last time was proper recognition of tribal nations.

2918
04:35:26,500 --> 04:35:32,360
And we can talk a bit more about what that means, but really to make sure that tribes

2919
04:35:32,360 --> 04:35:38,660
were able as public agencies to represent communities.

2920
04:35:38,660 --> 04:35:49,220
And then second, second, they are not second in importance, but also that tribes have the same opportunity to pursue these types of approvals.

2921
04:35:49,960 --> 04:35:52,160
We necessary for the residents.

2922
04:35:54,320 --> 04:36:04,440
We complimented the Employee Ordnance Language with requirements that the competent plan also specifies that these are of a limited duration to all the five years.

2923
04:36:04,440 --> 04:36:14,340
And identifies that these lands where they accept and has been taken are not elevated in their status or included in our majority boundary.

2924
04:36:14,520 --> 04:36:17,560
Those two items were pretty important to some of our stakeholders.

2925
04:36:17,960 --> 04:36:21,720
And I know you heard directly about that from Greg Holmes, a thousandth of Oregon.

2926
04:36:22,660 --> 04:36:25,720
And then we've got some miscellaneous corrections that we've done.

2927
04:36:26,000 --> 04:36:31,700
We think we've improved upon the items regarding the tribes, tribal nations.

2928
04:36:32,500 --> 04:36:39,360
Again, in the draft that you received, included the language that really, really identified

2929
04:36:39,360 --> 04:36:45,020
tribe as being among that category of a public agency that may represent a city, this

2930
04:36:45,020 --> 04:36:49,660
was really the, what we heard from Mr. Jacobson, with regard to their expansion, but it was

2931
04:36:49,660 --> 04:36:54,900
Lincoln City in a, in a, in a less tribe, with that tribe really stepped up and, and was able

2932
04:36:54,900 --> 04:36:58,320
to willing to partner with with folks.

2933
04:36:58,320 --> 04:37:01,620
And that was just like our mayorals founders, this rule wouldn't bear on that.

2934
04:37:01,800 --> 04:37:02,680
That was necessary.

2935
04:37:03,500 --> 04:37:09,240
But should their beat after arrangement, desired, in the future, we've got that covered.

2936
04:37:10,500 --> 04:37:18,080
Also, should there ever be a circumstance where there's a wildfire that destroys homes

2937
04:37:18,080 --> 04:37:23,880
on trust lands, let's say a community, let's just see a warm spring to order, for example,

2938
04:37:24,660 --> 04:37:31,280
which is the base of operations for the federal graduates of the Warnspans Union Reservation.

2939
04:37:32,000 --> 04:37:47,740
If that were to suffer a wildfire damage and the only reasonable place, the best place to shelter the victims of that wildfire was on lands outside of the trust status on lands governed by Jefferson County,

2940
04:37:47,740 --> 04:37:54,400
to say, and subject to land use rules, then we've ensured that the tribe could make an application

2941
04:37:55,180 --> 04:38:00,080
to that county, just as any other city or county or other publications you could do.

2942
04:38:00,640 --> 04:38:05,640
In our outreach to do the threat subsequent outreach and request for consultation,

2943
04:38:07,300 --> 04:38:17,220
we heard a little bit back, understandably with tight time frame, everybody is really

2944
04:38:17,220 --> 04:38:21,440
fires right now as we speak and treat talk best. But we did your back was, hey, you know,

2945
04:38:21,440 --> 04:38:25,680
it would be great if we could feel confidence that, you know, archeological resources weren't

2946
04:38:25,680 --> 04:38:35,560
going to be disturbed. And so what we did is to the treat them where they're inventory,

2947
04:38:35,780 --> 04:38:39,980
where we have archeological resources inventory and their local conflicts of plan,

2948
04:38:40,580 --> 04:38:46,360
similar in the way we decided to treat wildlife habitats and hazard areas for these purposes,

2949
04:38:46,360 --> 04:38:50,180
which you just say, those land would be off-limits.

2950
04:38:50,680 --> 04:38:54,340
You know, lands, their properties that have an inventory,

2951
04:38:54,640 --> 04:38:56,320
archeological resource on them,

2952
04:38:56,600 --> 04:39:00,420
are not candidates for this special type of exception process.

2953
04:39:00,980 --> 04:39:06,400
Furthermore, we had a language that we really kind of borrowed from

2954
04:39:07,000 --> 04:39:08,200
a real some of you made.

2955
04:39:08,480 --> 04:39:11,300
You know, if you will remember it, that the youth camp will

2956
04:39:11,300 --> 04:39:15,180
several years ago, which basically said that

2957
04:39:15,180 --> 04:39:16,980
It's a restrainment of the existing law.

2958
04:39:17,180 --> 04:39:18,500
It's not a creation of a new authority.

2959
04:39:19,340 --> 04:39:21,880
There's a entire body of statutes that

2960
04:39:21,880 --> 04:39:26,800
describes what just to happen when there's inadvertent discovery

2961
04:39:27,400 --> 04:39:29,000
of archeological resources.

2962
04:39:29,940 --> 04:39:32,940
And so we've placed that in the rule too.

2963
04:39:33,000 --> 04:39:34,880
We've just kind of wanted to kind of elevate that

2964
04:39:34,880 --> 04:39:37,080
understanding and make sure.

2965
04:39:37,180 --> 04:39:39,180
But it was aware that if you accidentally

2966
04:39:39,180 --> 04:39:43,960
or inadvertently discover archeological resources,

2967
04:39:43,960 --> 04:39:50,160
those human remains or something else. You're going to follow the law. You're going to follow

2968
04:39:50,160 --> 04:39:56,700
the legal protocols. The accomplished plan piece, as I mentioned earlier, we've really

2969
04:39:56,700 --> 04:39:59,820
and complementage what we have already put in the production.

2970
04:40:00,000 --> 04:40:14,840
So there would be a documentation in the local conference of plan that also identified that these are temporary, and that they, the exception of, validity would not exceed the period of five years.

2971
04:40:17,040 --> 04:40:22,800
The food here would be just through this line with the private rule, a breath rule.

2972
04:40:23,480 --> 04:40:29,240
But it basically just says that taking a reason except to under this provision,

2973
04:40:29,500 --> 04:40:33,940
you know, this not elevate these lands in the hierarchy,

2974
04:40:34,780 --> 04:40:39,860
or inclusion in the general boundary, that's identified in the existing state law,

2975
04:40:40,060 --> 04:40:42,640
or S197, and then when in the 1798.

2976
04:40:44,480 --> 04:40:50,980
I think that that's not safe enough, they couldn't be, but they didn't be on their own merit, right?

2977
04:40:51,260 --> 04:40:58,580
It would be if they really, if a city is going through the expansion and identifies these properties

2978
04:40:58,580 --> 04:41:05,300
as being the best locations, that's fine, but they don't, they're not artificially

2979
04:41:06,580 --> 04:41:10,080
rationed up to, that's the genetic manner of the letter, letter.

2980
04:41:10,080 --> 04:41:17,860
Finally, we had to miscellaneous, maybe miscellaneous is too soft at the term, but there was

2981
04:41:17,860 --> 04:41:25,260
just some general corrections that I didn't get involved with here, but we did rearrange some

2982
04:41:25,260 --> 04:41:33,260
language beginning to clarify that these temporary facilities are four rather than assigned

2983
04:41:33,260 --> 04:41:35,920
to the victims of the natural disaster.

2984
04:41:35,920 --> 04:41:40,920
I believe it may have been Mr. Jake is going to, again, that said, you know, a sign to you, that's

2985
04:41:42,380 --> 04:41:46,960
that's a little bit heavy handed and it was what we're trying for.

2986
04:41:47,320 --> 04:41:54,260
So we wanted to capture that and then we also clarified the dissociative infrastructure, you know,

2987
04:41:54,300 --> 04:41:55,060
must also be removed.

2988
04:41:55,240 --> 04:42:01,500
So if there's a sewer line that's run out of water line, that needs to be removed to just as everything else does.

2989
04:42:01,500 --> 04:42:04,340
one that one of the uses is retired and all needed.

2990
04:42:05,740 --> 04:42:11,760
So, with that, we're recommending that you receive a hotel

2991
04:42:11,760 --> 04:42:14,800
on your staff or staff's boss or that public guest morning.

2992
04:42:15,620 --> 04:42:20,940
So far as I know, we've got one letter from Greg Holmes,

2993
04:42:21,080 --> 04:42:22,300
the advent of Oregon supporting.

2994
04:42:22,880 --> 04:42:24,440
The revisions are much of everything else I know,

2995
04:42:24,540 --> 04:42:25,100
but it's here.

2996
04:42:26,340 --> 04:42:29,140
I know Commissioner Lee Lack and his diligent outreach

2997
04:42:29,140 --> 04:42:35,280
should kind of play and record this as sort of a couple things back, which I can cover, although

2998
04:42:35,280 --> 04:42:37,540
I don't know if there's a part of the official record or not, I suppose we mentioned

2999
04:42:37,540 --> 04:42:43,500
them they are. And then I really like to see a, you know, the discussion focused on, on division,

3000
04:42:43,680 --> 04:42:49,960
this division, 14 seconds, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0. I really think that's how we have left, and I think

3001
04:42:49,960 --> 04:42:56,640
we've sewn it up. And then ultimately, I would, we would recommend that the commission adopt

3002
04:42:56,640 --> 04:43:07,600
of these revisions today, and we provided a recommended motion, which, you know, basically

3003
04:43:07,600 --> 04:43:12,640
we said, you know, we're doping this, is recommended by the Department, and highlights

3004
04:43:12,640 --> 04:43:17,880
the attachment to the staff of course as well as the items that I just covered with you.

3005
04:43:19,100 --> 04:43:26,160
So, I'm going to pause there for a moment and take a breath and let those give me questions.

3006
04:43:27,080 --> 04:43:34,340
And then at the Commission's plan, if you can, I can share at the actual text of that division.

3007
04:43:35,440 --> 04:43:39,680
And we can go through it to see how things fit together and where they're at.

3008
04:43:41,040 --> 04:43:43,460
Or you can move into into discussion.

3009
04:43:44,180 --> 04:43:45,600
Whatever you prefer.

3010
04:43:46,340 --> 04:43:46,420
Yeah.

3011
04:43:46,600 --> 04:43:46,920
Thank you.

3012
04:43:47,940 --> 04:43:50,420
You did a really nice presentation.

3013
04:43:50,420 --> 04:44:08,020
And I think on the points that I remember taking the city we're discussed and we go I will let's just open up to questions from commissioners and then go from there commissioners

3014
04:44:11,630 --> 04:44:12,190
commissioners.

3015
04:44:13,310 --> 04:44:13,830
Jacobson.

3016
04:44:14,010 --> 04:44:17,890
Well, not so much a question, but I just wanted to say I feel very hurt.

3017
04:44:18,090 --> 04:44:22,070
So thank you for taking all the comments from last meeting and integrating those.

3018
04:44:22,130 --> 04:44:23,050
I really appreciate that.

3019
04:44:25,640 --> 04:44:25,900
Of course.

3020
04:44:26,460 --> 04:44:27,420
My question, Jacobson.

3021
04:44:27,460 --> 04:44:29,360
Thank you.

3022
04:44:29,620 --> 04:44:34,160
Commissioner Leleck, do you since you've been working extensively on this and your other

3023
04:44:34,160 --> 04:44:40,260
with your other hat, as well as feeding information to this process, what is your thought

3024
04:44:40,260 --> 04:44:43,620
about we are with this role-making.

3025
04:44:44,860 --> 04:44:49,540
Well, thank you, Chair McArthur and I'm sorry if I jumped ahead of Commissioner Warren there.

3026
04:44:49,980 --> 04:44:55,660
As another directly impacted county from 2020, John has just nailed it.

3027
04:44:56,380 --> 04:44:59,900
And I've really done all I can throughout this process is John mentioned.

3028
04:45:01,020 --> 04:45:13,180
Continuing to forward his emails with the draft rules and really pushing my colleagues to review them and to provide comments so that everybody will have read them and can provide informed comments.

3029
04:45:13,420 --> 04:45:20,140
They were a few comments, John, and I talked about it, and I don't know that they are formally a part of the record. I don't know that they would have added anything to it.

3030
04:45:20,140 --> 04:45:27,100
that John did mention. I completely support the rules as as drafted now. I can just tell you

3031
04:45:27,100 --> 04:45:31,540
living here in in abandoned and in the shoots county, I'll go outside and we don't have any

3032
04:45:31,540 --> 04:45:39,540
smoke at all today, but it's it's very windy and we are just on edge and and to have rules like this

3033
04:45:39,540 --> 04:45:50,120
in place, at least gives us some comfort that there's an ability to respond when we need to. It's

3034
04:45:50,680 --> 04:46:06,120
And one of the, I did check with John just to confirm, as I had received some questions, and this was that the rule John that you just mentioned is 60 zero zero four zero zero four zero four zero, 14 A the temporary residential uses.

3035
04:46:08,600 --> 04:46:14,040
In conjunction with the dwelling that existed or had received, et cetera, they can only be

3036
04:46:14,040 --> 04:46:20,580
allowed located outside of a flood for geological area or wildfire hazard areas, as I

3037
04:46:20,580 --> 04:46:24,600
identify the adoptive comprehensive plan, to the extent practicable.

3038
04:46:24,920 --> 04:46:29,640
And this was important because those of us that central Oregon realized and recognized that

3039
04:46:29,640 --> 04:46:33,880
it's very, very likely that our entire region will be extreme wildfire hazard.

3040
04:46:33,880 --> 04:46:41,760
And without the extent, to the extent practicable, we might not be able to house anybody outside of these wildfire hazard areas.

3041
04:46:42,140 --> 04:46:52,900
So John confirmed that that language is intentional so that we may find areas to house residents in compliance with the new rules.

3042
04:46:54,440 --> 04:47:02,340
So that's very, very important as well. So I've heard strong support from counties otherwise of the rules as proposed.

3043
04:47:02,340 --> 04:47:08,160
I do hope regarding the tribalists, you know, I think that that's, we've also addressed that.

3044
04:47:08,240 --> 04:47:24,380
I do hope that at work plan item, policy agenda going forward is we can help some of those counties with the goal 18 ancestral sites help like help them identify and figure out a way to identify those sites going forward as we discussed many months ago and everybody's been so busy that we haven't been able to get back to it now.

3045
04:47:24,440 --> 04:47:29,560
But hopefully that's just a kind of a placeholder, we can get to that in the next policy agenda.

3046
04:47:29,560 --> 04:47:31,600
So long-winded, lots of comments.

3047
04:47:31,760 --> 04:47:33,000
Thank you very much, great work, John.

3048
04:47:34,800 --> 04:47:36,600
Thank you, Commissioner Warren.

3049
04:47:39,120 --> 04:47:40,700
Yeah, just that, though, their commissioners.

3050
04:47:40,740 --> 04:47:42,860
Thanks, John, I think you've done a fantastic job with this.

3051
04:47:43,360 --> 04:47:45,260
And I'm glad we're revisited, and again,

3052
04:47:45,280 --> 04:47:48,060
versus just kind of rushing ahead in the last meeting.

3053
04:47:48,820 --> 04:47:52,500
My questions really around division 22.

3054
04:47:54,580 --> 04:47:57,540
And that would be lines 32 through 36.

3055
04:47:58,160 --> 04:48:00,540
And I'm just wondering here, why we have a limitation

3056
04:48:00,540 --> 04:48:08,140
to, you know, a single manufacturer dwelling, or two yards or five recreational vehicles, I mean,

3057
04:48:08,340 --> 04:48:14,040
I just am thinking about these unincorporated lands in the Rogue Valley, and we have a lot of them,

3058
04:48:14,440 --> 04:48:19,680
and a lot of them did burn. And if they were trying, you know, if we're going to identify those lands

3059
04:48:19,680 --> 04:48:27,560
as a potential place for interim housing, why are we limiting it to say five recreational vehicles?

3060
04:48:27,560 --> 04:48:29,960
I just wanted to thank you

3061
04:48:36,460 --> 04:48:36,720
there.

3062
04:48:36,720 --> 04:48:37,960
John, you're on mute.

3063
04:48:37,980 --> 04:48:40,600
I apologize, Chairman Carthor.

3064
04:48:41,620 --> 04:48:43,080
I was on mute accidentally there.

3065
04:48:43,320 --> 04:48:44,420
So it's a question mark.

3066
04:48:45,200 --> 04:48:51,160
The thinking there was was that these would be more.

3067
04:48:51,420 --> 04:48:57,380
This is a more robust opportunity for having

3068
04:48:57,380 --> 04:48:59,580
having associated with it with a home,

3069
04:48:59,660 --> 04:49:02,400
van would be available in rural residential lands

3070
04:49:02,400 --> 04:49:03,840
or resource lands.

3071
04:49:04,420 --> 04:49:08,560
And in furthermore, we felt that the big ticket item

3072
04:49:09,420 --> 04:49:16,940
for non-cooperated communities was the surgery fort,

3073
04:49:17,900 --> 04:49:20,040
but the provision for re-entrum,

3074
04:49:20,040 --> 04:49:20,960
and not inter-pousing,

3075
04:49:21,140 --> 04:49:24,040
but there is a provision that basically allows

3076
04:49:24,040 --> 04:49:33,680
for a high level of housing similar similar to what's available for urban growth foundies

3077
04:49:35,180 --> 04:49:43,140
that would we suspected would would feel that gap. If you bear with me for just a moment

3078
04:49:43,140 --> 04:49:52,460
more, I might try to find that a little embarrassed that I didn't have a ball ready conditional

3079
04:49:52,460 --> 04:49:58,380
how the incomparation. So is the term there? So the

3080
04:50:00,850 --> 04:50:17,850
The reasoning there is that again, the temporary, temporary, residential to use, in conjunction with the dwelling, allows for these items, for many faster homes,

3081
04:50:20,030 --> 04:50:27,390
the year to recreational vehicles, which is elevated, which is more than you can do in conjunction.

3082
04:50:27,390 --> 04:50:43,350
And again, we're assuming this is a, you know, a lot, you know, private water parcel, so in conjunction with that existing well and residing on that probably is a fairly small piece of property, you can have these items.

3083
04:50:43,350 --> 04:51:06,090
But that the, again, the kind of a big ticket item would be the traditional, the transitional housing accommodations, which are aligned to believe 3738 on page 12 and line 1 and 2 on page 13, which is, which is very expansive. Now, we decided to statute there.

3084
04:51:06,090 --> 04:51:10,570
we didn't include all the statutory language, but that's pretty broad.

3085
04:51:11,350 --> 04:51:20,250
If we can look at that if that's helpful, but our belief is that the larger piece,

3086
04:51:20,830 --> 04:51:26,450
you know, should unaccorpore to communities really be a good candidate for

3087
04:51:26,450 --> 04:51:30,430
the sheltering activities that would be able to fall into that.

3088
04:51:33,480 --> 04:51:35,680
Any follow-up questions, Commissioner Warren?

3089
04:51:36,740 --> 04:51:44,460
Now, thank you, I'm just thinking about these uncorporate communities and trying to keep people close to home.

3090
04:51:44,900 --> 04:51:50,340
So if half of the uncorporate communities were going to burn, where does that half of the population go?

3091
04:51:50,780 --> 04:51:54,520
And white cities are a prime example down here, but pretty large uncorporate cities.

3092
04:51:55,300 --> 04:51:57,680
I don't know if population wise, but 5,000.

3093
04:51:57,680 --> 04:52:00,020
And so if half of their homes burnt to about

3094
04:52:00,020 --> 04:52:02,800
at least 2,500 people without shelter.

3095
04:52:03,800 --> 04:52:06,900
So I get the idea of, you know,

3096
04:52:06,920 --> 04:52:09,820
to hopefully send them into, you know,

3097
04:52:10,100 --> 04:52:13,220
urban growth boundary sort of a sheltering scenario.

3098
04:52:14,240 --> 04:52:18,520
But I'm wondering if we want to limit the ability

3099
04:52:18,520 --> 04:52:20,660
of for these communities to kind of

3100
04:52:20,660 --> 04:52:23,360
try to keep those folks closer to home, if possible.

3101
04:52:24,900 --> 04:52:28,320
So, so, so, Chair MacArthur is fixing a more ice-type degree entirely.

3102
04:52:28,580 --> 04:52:33,020
We have we have really deliberately written these rules with with with that notion

3103
04:52:33,020 --> 04:52:33,520
mind.

3104
04:52:33,680 --> 04:52:41,000
You know, one of the key people close to home, and so I would say that there's there's a kind

3105
04:52:41,000 --> 04:52:42,960
of collateral opportunities there.

3106
04:52:43,080 --> 04:52:47,200
One was, is one we just talked about in the 22 rule, which has to do with other corporate

3107
04:52:47,200 --> 04:52:47,700
communities.

3108
04:52:48,440 --> 04:52:49,920
But they're also provisioned in this rule.

3109
04:52:49,920 --> 04:52:54,220
That being a division of 14 rule, which does include

3110
04:52:54,220 --> 04:52:58,640
unincorporated communities as similar.

3111
04:52:58,820 --> 04:53:00,500
And I think that's not the same as, but similar

3112
04:53:00,500 --> 04:53:04,340
to urban growth boundaries, to be able to have

3113
04:53:04,340 --> 04:53:08,740
a county of approval for an exception in their proximity

3114
04:53:09,640 --> 04:53:13,340
to to be just that, to have that, how that arrangements should

3115
04:53:13,340 --> 04:53:18,520
that unincorporated community be the suffers, the hazard,

3116
04:53:18,520 --> 04:53:28,840
the disaster, there is the ability for the county to prove interim sheltering through this

3117
04:53:28,840 --> 04:53:32,920
division or team rule in their proximity to keep them right there.

3118
04:53:34,860 --> 04:53:36,240
Great, thank you very much. I understand now.

3119
04:53:37,880 --> 04:53:41,500
Chairman Kaiser, can I just provide one quick response?

3120
04:53:42,360 --> 04:53:47,780
Mr. Ward, I completely agree and I just think about the sheets County 50,000 plus rural residents,

3121
04:53:47,780 --> 04:54:11,780
sisters in the pine. I mean, we could easily have the exact same issue. The reason I'm comfortable with the rule as it as it is, as I've seen how quickly the LCD has responded in this issue. And the fact that it's in rule and not in statute that our commission will have the ability to work with agency staff to to amend it should we find ourselves in the situation. So I just to share with you why I'm comfortable with it written as it is.

3122
04:54:13,380 --> 04:54:17,720
That's helpful for me as well. Thank you.

3123
04:54:18,120 --> 04:54:23,320
Other commissioners, questions about the rule, the draft rule.

3124
04:54:26,470 --> 04:54:35,030
I just have a question. I know that one of the reasons that we did not act on this in May were the good comments from commissioners.

3125
04:54:35,470 --> 04:54:39,290
But also I believe thousand friends testified and had some concerns.

3126
04:54:39,530 --> 04:54:43,810
I don't know if it was Mary Kyle was there but Greg Holmes was.

3127
04:54:43,810 --> 04:54:52,450
And so I know that I just got a text from Esther that he has some, he's not here to give public to a verbal testimony, but he submitted a letter.

3128
04:54:53,570 --> 04:54:59,970
Is it possible if you have a copy of that, John, to read that letter to us, so we know that.

3129
04:55:00,000 --> 04:55:13,740
I want to read that into the record because we don't have that in front of us. And we change the time around. I don't know if that inconvenience to him and he wanted to testify. I don't know if that situation is. So I want to make sure that we hear his comments. Can either you or Esther read that letter for us?

3130
04:55:20,200 --> 04:55:24,460
So let's like, Professor has put that up there. Thank you very much.

3131
04:55:27,060 --> 04:55:32,500
And so, so there we are. And I can read it or read it or you guys can.

3132
04:55:33,460 --> 04:55:36,800
Oh, I can. So, so, Cherna. So, yeah.

3133
04:55:42,310 --> 04:55:46,250
So I believe the, believe the, believe the bottom line here is that they,

3134
04:55:46,450 --> 04:55:54,730
thousands of friends appreciate the work and, and we did have conversations as, uh,

3135
04:55:54,730 --> 04:55:58,950
which led to kind of helping us understand what might be useful.

3136
04:55:59,870 --> 04:56:04,310
And I believe that I believe this letter says that they agree

3137
04:56:05,450 --> 04:56:08,670
and are occupient and would recommend

3138
04:56:08,670 --> 04:56:09,890
that the commission would adopt.

3139
04:56:12,800 --> 04:56:15,000
Great, that's very useful, John. Thank you.

3140
04:56:15,120 --> 04:56:16,740
And so I really like it.

3141
04:56:21,180 --> 04:56:22,980
Okay, I don't think we have to go line

3142
04:56:22,980 --> 04:56:24,940
by line with draft language, the language

3143
04:56:24,940 --> 04:56:26,860
was included in the packet materials.

3144
04:56:27,020 --> 04:56:29,160
So I'm assuming folks have read that.

3145
04:56:30,480 --> 04:56:36,240
So why don't you put the motion up on the thank you? You're so quick. Appreciate that.

3146
04:56:38,620 --> 04:56:43,980
If commissioners feel so inclined, it would one of you offer a motion.

3147
04:56:49,060 --> 04:56:55,060
I'm truly happy to do it again, unless when my colleagues prefers to do so.

3148
04:56:56,670 --> 04:56:57,190
Okay.

3149
04:56:57,970 --> 04:56:59,210
Okay. Thank you commissioner.

3150
04:56:59,210 --> 04:57:16,670
I move the commission to adopt amendments to OAR chapter 60 divisions 4, 6, 11, 14, 22, and 33 as recommended by the department as attachments to the staff report dated July 8, 2021 and further refined through the staff presentation that today's hearing.

3151
04:57:17,110 --> 04:57:19,350
Thank you, is there a second.

3152
04:57:23,090 --> 04:57:24,210
All second, sir.

3153
04:57:25,230 --> 04:57:32,310
Thank you, and because, sorry, it is your money that I should do a call for public comment, I had actual and I can do that right now verbally.

3154
04:57:32,310 --> 04:57:36,590
I had texted Esther before and she said nobody had signed up.

3155
04:57:36,990 --> 04:57:40,310
The only thing we had in the record was this letter from Greg Holmes.

3156
04:57:40,430 --> 04:57:41,770
That's why I had him read it.

3157
04:57:41,930 --> 04:57:45,470
Because sorry, you think that sufficient or should I do something else?

3158
04:57:46,070 --> 04:57:49,010
I just wanted to give the opportunity for anyone in the attendee.

3159
04:57:49,170 --> 04:57:50,270
If they wanted to testify.

3160
04:57:51,130 --> 04:57:52,530
Thank you. Good point.

3161
04:57:53,050 --> 04:57:59,130
Anyone out there, I want to testify on this before we take a vote.

3162
04:58:01,410 --> 04:58:02,830
No one is raised their hand.

3163
04:58:02,830 --> 04:58:08,510
Thank you. I really appreciate that procedural. I think I didn't I missed so thanks

3164
04:58:08,970 --> 04:58:11,410
Well, we have a motion and a second

3165
04:58:12,050 --> 04:58:18,290
Esther would you call the role? Yes, vice chair. Hello,va. Hi

3166
04:58:18,850 --> 04:58:20,750
Commissioner Jacobson.

3167
04:58:24,080 --> 04:58:24,460
Hi

3168
04:58:24,760 --> 04:58:26,760
Commissioner sandable

3169
04:58:28,280 --> 04:58:30,600
Commissioner Lee Lack. I

3170
04:58:31,420 --> 04:58:34,260
Commissioner Warren. I

3171
04:58:34,260 --> 04:58:42,980
Chair McArthur. I, the motion passes unanimously with all commissioners present except for

3172
04:58:42,980 --> 04:58:48,800
a commissioner, a pair of mine who has an excused absence. And I think that we should

3173
04:58:48,800 --> 04:58:54,980
celebrate Jim, he seems to be the timing God, because we got done at 230, and so we're on

3174
04:58:54,980 --> 04:59:00,100
that schedule for... You totally rock, John. Now you could do it, Doug.

3175
04:59:00,100 --> 04:59:04,340
Well, I thank you, thank you, Chair McMurder, and Director Reo, and I felt I didn't

3176
04:59:04,340 --> 04:59:05,900
get a rise to that challenge.

3177
04:59:07,480 --> 04:59:13,120
So hopefully, I want to thank you, I want to thank all the commissioners very much, I really

3178
04:59:13,120 --> 04:59:21,100
want to thank Esther and Sheria and Deputy Director Green, you know, and of course, our managers

3179
04:59:21,100 --> 04:59:26,900
Gordon Howard, thank everybody, and I'll go ahead and, and, and, and Teria, thank you very

3180
04:59:26,900 --> 04:59:27,580
much.

3181
04:59:27,580 --> 04:59:38,480
Well, carry on take that dog out for a walk with you. Okay. Thanks everyone. We will take a break and return at 245 and we are back on schedule

3182
04:59:41,460 --> 04:59:43,480
recording stopped.

3183
04:59:56,040 --> 04:59:58,800
Welcome back recording in progress.

3184
05:00:00,560 --> 05:00:17,480
Welcome back. The time is 245. We are returning from our afternoon break. The next agenda item is item 8, reporting and monitoring of middle housing compliance.

3185
05:00:17,480 --> 05:00:29,360
City of staff. City of Sandy staff has also joined us and Chairman Carter, you have a

3186
05:00:29,360 --> 05:00:36,320
quorum. Thank you, Esther. Welcome back. Everybody from the break, Mrs. Me. Let's just jump into

3187
05:00:36,320 --> 05:00:41,860
this really important topic. This is a reminder of the commission because this work in housing

3188
05:00:41,860 --> 05:00:49,960
is so important to us. We had asked for regular briefing times on each agenda on various aspects of

3189
05:00:49,960 --> 05:00:57,200
our middle housing initiative and today we get an update from staff but in particular staff wanted

3190
05:00:57,200 --> 05:01:03,800
to bring sort of some real life experience to how this role work happens on the ground or being

3191
05:01:03,800 --> 05:01:08,920
processed on the ground so we want to welcome the city of Sandy as well but I will turn it over

3192
05:01:08,920 --> 05:01:13,220
to eat and I think initially to give intros and then Robert will dive in a details.

3193
05:01:15,040 --> 05:01:18,800
Thank you, Chairman Carthor. Good afternoon. Commission.

3194
05:01:20,160 --> 05:01:24,240
Like, Chairman Carthor mentioned today is just really kind of a follow up on the

3195
05:01:24,240 --> 05:01:30,420
our standing agenda item for updating the commission and others on the implementation of

3196
05:01:30,420 --> 05:01:37,660
past 50,0001 and middle housing codes in particular across the state. And I'm really going to

3197
05:01:37,660 --> 05:01:42,760
And this presentation over to Robert, who's going to give a general review of how the medium

3198
05:01:42,760 --> 05:01:46,000
cities implementation has come and gone.

3199
05:01:46,140 --> 05:01:51,240
Now that that deadline has elapsed on June 30th this year.

3200
05:01:51,900 --> 05:01:53,580
So without further ado, Robert, please.

3201
05:01:55,100 --> 05:01:55,520
All right.

3202
05:01:55,620 --> 05:01:56,120
Thank you, Ethan.

3203
05:01:56,760 --> 05:01:57,420
Chair MacArthur.

3204
05:01:58,160 --> 05:01:59,700
Vice Chair, hello, the members of the commission.

3205
05:02:00,320 --> 05:02:01,300
My name is Robert Manslollo.

3206
05:02:01,300 --> 05:02:07,280
I'm a housing planner with the LCD, and I am here today to give you an update on the House

3207
05:02:07,280 --> 05:02:08,900
So 2001 implementation,

3208
05:02:12,530 --> 05:02:17,510
and that is our desire.com is to update the commission on the implementation so far.

3209
05:02:19,740 --> 05:02:36,740
So some requirements of 2001, just in case we've forgotten, medium cities had to update their codes to allow for dueplexes in on lots and parcels that require single family detached by June 3, 2021.

3210
05:02:37,420 --> 05:02:43,640
large cities have an extra year out to 2022 to allow for higher middle housing types,

3211
05:02:43,920 --> 05:02:49,860
triplex quadplex, townhouses, cottage clusters, as well as dueplexes in areas that alone

3212
05:02:49,860 --> 05:02:55,320
that allow for single family detach. And then we also have the infrastructure based time

3213
05:02:55,320 --> 05:03:03,340
extension request. Medium cities had to apply by December 31st 2020 and for large cities the deadline

3214
05:03:03,340 --> 05:03:06,340
address passed and that was June 30th, 2021.

3215
05:03:09,370 --> 05:03:11,110
And so some updates that we're going to go through today,

3216
05:03:11,670 --> 05:03:16,510
we have some website updates that we've made. The open forums, we're continuing with those.

3217
05:03:17,690 --> 05:03:24,090
And then I want to give an update on the 2021 to 2021 to 2023 grant funding that we received.

3218
05:03:25,170 --> 05:03:29,010
And then local government support, we're going to be hearing from the city of Sandy,

3219
05:03:29,010 --> 05:03:31,970
Kelly O'Neill, who is the Development Services Director,

3220
05:03:35,610 --> 05:03:39,430
and so for website updates, we always do some general updates of documents.

3221
05:03:39,850 --> 05:03:45,050
There's an FAQ up there that we update every time we have an open forum.

3222
05:03:45,730 --> 05:03:48,370
We add questions and responses to that document.

3223
05:03:49,850 --> 05:03:51,910
We've also added some guidance documents.

3224
05:03:51,910 --> 05:03:58,050
There is a little feature called an accordion that has guidance documents within it.

3225
05:03:58,730 --> 05:04:06,130
If you're on the House Bill 2001 web page, you'll see a quick links accordion feature with a little plus next to it.

3226
05:04:06,270 --> 05:04:12,930
If you hit that plus, it opens up and shows documents that are in that feature.

3227
05:04:13,630 --> 05:04:17,210
So we also added one for guidance documents so that feature is there.

3228
05:04:17,210 --> 05:04:23,290
The documents are still yet to be uploaded, so if you go to that part and you don't see any documents

3229
05:04:23,290 --> 05:04:28,910
That is correct. There are no documents in there quite yet. That will be happening later today in tomorrow

3230
05:04:29,910 --> 05:04:33,050
And then we also have this city progress tracker

3231
05:04:33,050 --> 05:04:39,250
Let me show you an example of that here. This is the large city progress tracker. So what we're doing is

3232
05:04:40,030 --> 05:04:42,550
We're following the city the compliance date

3233
05:04:42,550 --> 05:04:49,170
grant type either a direct grant or if the city wanted a deal CD consultant provided.

3234
05:04:49,810 --> 05:04:52,010
We have that there product type.

3235
05:04:52,850 --> 05:04:54,750
This is the 2001 side.

3236
05:04:54,870 --> 05:04:59,970
So this is all either code assistance or the infrastructure time extension.

3237
05:05:00,000 --> 05:05:08,320
The 2003 will have bare different products, housing needs analysis, housing implementation plan, so forth.

3238
05:05:09,060 --> 05:05:18,500
And then for the post acknowledgement plan amendment status, so far we haven't had any submitted for large cities.

3239
05:05:19,220 --> 05:05:29,900
I actually think one came in this week, so this is not quite up to date but we did receive quite a few planning assistance grant requests from these large cities.

3240
05:05:31,890 --> 05:05:38,970
So that was large city. This is medium city. As you can see in the Papa draft code review,

3241
05:05:39,410 --> 05:05:44,990
there are quite a few effective, which is great, because that means that the medium city

3242
05:05:44,990 --> 05:05:51,150
made code changes, submitted those code changes to us for review.

3243
05:05:52,030 --> 05:05:57,890
And we didn't have any comments on them, so they were adopted by their local city council

3244
05:05:57,890 --> 05:06:04,610
and at this point they are effective and there are a few cities in here can be central point

3245
05:06:04,610 --> 05:06:08,890
and claim a false. Those cities are elected to use the model code.

3246
05:06:09,590 --> 05:06:16,050
Claim a false temporarily until they can get staffing and resources together to tackle this project

3247
05:06:16,050 --> 05:06:21,710
themselves. And then the city of Roseberg, who we heard from at the last meeting,

3248
05:06:22,310 --> 05:06:27,570
there's have been adopted and they're going to be effective on the 28th. So next Wednesday.

3249
05:06:27,890 --> 05:06:30,870
the new code changes will be effective.

3250
05:06:35,010 --> 05:06:37,630
Moving into the open forums, we are continuing the

3251
05:06:37,630 --> 05:06:44,850
monthly open forums. The latest one in July had to be postponed a week because of the observance

3252
05:06:44,850 --> 05:06:50,370
of the July 4th holiday and these are on the first Monday of every month and the questions that

3253
05:06:50,370 --> 05:06:56,130
we receive and the responses that we give to these questions are all incorporated into an FAQ document

3254
05:06:56,130 --> 05:07:09,290
that we keep on our website and the format for these meetings, they are typically 90 minutes and we usually go the full 90 minutes, including follow up from any previous meetings.

3255
05:07:11,050 --> 05:07:19,870
So we will usually open with a brief presentation from staff to hit on some items that maybe needed to follow up from the previous month.

3256
05:07:19,870 --> 05:07:25,770
And then the rest of the time is dedicated to question and answer from people in the meetings.

3257
05:07:26,290 --> 05:07:32,250
And these meetings are open to large and medium city representatives, consultants.

3258
05:07:33,670 --> 05:07:36,710
Some advocacy groups have been to these meetings.

3259
05:07:36,930 --> 05:07:45,390
So really any of the groups that were in the in the real making process and still want to keep up on what's going on.

3260
05:07:45,630 --> 05:07:47,610
They're invited to these open forums.

3261
05:07:48,510 --> 05:07:54,350
And then the written responses are sent out to the participants for reference, and we also do record these meetings.

3262
05:07:58,250 --> 05:08:03,310
So for the Ibtres, the large city deadline was June 30th, 2021.

3263
05:08:04,350 --> 05:08:08,070
And Forest Grove was the only large city to submit an application.

3264
05:08:08,830 --> 05:08:10,490
And they did that on the 30th.

3265
05:08:11,130 --> 05:08:14,950
So now staff has 30 days to team the city's application complete.

3266
05:08:14,950 --> 05:08:26,590
And then following that, there is a 21 day public comment period where the application will be posted to our website and public comment period is for 21 days.

3267
05:08:27,630 --> 05:08:36,890
And then staff has 120 days to review the application and give a decision as to approve approve with conditions or deny.

3268
05:08:37,450 --> 05:08:40,710
And that is within that 120 days. That has to be done.

3269
05:08:44,010 --> 05:09:00,270
So getting into the 2021-2021-23 grant funding cycle, that deadline for large cities is fast approaching June 30, 2022 for large cities to comply with the rules for middle housing.

3270
05:09:01,210 --> 05:09:05,170
And we wanted to begin this application process as early as possible.

3271
05:09:05,170 --> 05:09:16,950
So we actually started early with sending out materials just so we can jump start the process for cities.

3272
05:09:19,540 --> 05:09:26,160
And the legislature approved funding for this program for two and a half million dollars for the twenty one twenty three

3273
05:09:26,160 --> 05:09:30,980
and this will go towards planning assistance for both

3274
05:09:30,980 --> 05:09:33,880
House Bill 2001 and 2003 combined.

3275
05:09:34,780 --> 05:09:36,160
If you remember last time,

3276
05:09:37,220 --> 05:09:41,040
Defunding was separated out between the two 2001 and 2003 this time.

3277
05:09:41,620 --> 05:09:43,500
It is a lump sum that can be used for both.

3278
05:09:45,040 --> 05:09:46,800
And there was also a passage of House Bill,

3279
05:09:46,800 --> 05:09:50,880
566, and that provided an additional $2 million

3280
05:09:50,880 --> 05:09:54,500
for technical support and capacity building for cities

3281
05:09:54,500 --> 05:09:59,960
working to increase housing choice and housing affordability. So we see this really as sort of

3282
05:10:00,000 --> 05:10:09,080
The strengthening goal 10 for for us to help cities with with complying with goal 10 and we are

3283
05:10:09,080 --> 05:10:15,180
hopeful that some of this money will go to fund housing planning efforts in small cities across the state.

3284
05:10:19,400 --> 05:10:28,600
And some of the products that the funding is available for large cities, it is the development code updates to allow for middle housing.

3285
05:10:28,600 --> 05:10:56,220
And for the 2000 House Bill 2003 side, this is available for housing needs analysis, housing production strategy, and housing implementation plans, and also with the passage of House Bill 35, the legislature approved expanding funding for those three products, two cities with populations less than 10,000 previously it started at that 10,000 population level.

3286
05:10:56,220 --> 05:11:05,220
But now these products are available for small cities under 10,000, which is great, because we've heard from some smaller cities that they are interested in these.

3287
05:11:08,960 --> 05:11:09,940
And the expected timeline.

3288
05:11:11,120 --> 05:11:13,740
Again, we started early with the RFI process.

3289
05:11:14,140 --> 05:11:23,040
We wanted to get an idea from cities throughout the state what type of funding they were looking for and what type of product they were.

3290
05:11:23,040 --> 05:11:26,500
They wanted to do this time around.

3291
05:11:26,500 --> 05:11:32,440
So we started that early. We started that in May, that RFI process ended the 31st of May.

3292
05:11:33,240 --> 05:11:39,500
And then once we had an idea of the cities that wanted some type of funding for a project,

3293
05:11:41,140 --> 05:11:43,100
we sent them a formal application.

3294
05:11:44,140 --> 05:11:50,320
And we sent that out early June, and cities had until the 30th to get that back to us.

3295
05:11:51,100 --> 05:11:57,340
And now in July, we are reviewing those applications, and we anticipate award decisions.

3296
05:11:58,100 --> 05:12:02,040
We should get that done by the end of July 31st.

3297
05:12:02,540 --> 05:12:07,480
And then August is contracting with IGA, MOU development.

3298
05:12:08,600 --> 05:12:15,280
Funding will likely be delivered to DLCD in August, and then by September 1st, we want to kick

3299
05:12:15,280 --> 05:12:20,000
off these projects for code compliance, mainly hospital 2001.

3300
05:12:20,000 --> 05:12:28,980
The hospital 2003 timeline may be a little longer for the LCD provided consultants if the RFP process is opened.

3301
05:12:29,360 --> 05:12:32,880
So we have a little longer of a timeline with the hospital 2003.

3302
05:12:33,480 --> 05:12:36,800
But for 2001, we really want to get this kicked off as soon as possible.

3303
05:12:39,240 --> 05:12:41,680
And then I want to focus in on these applications.

3304
05:12:42,380 --> 05:12:47,340
So in May the RFP process, we wanted to hear from cities who was interested.

3305
05:12:47,340 --> 05:12:57,980
We received 75 applications from 45 jurisdictions, so some jurisdictions did have a few different products that they wanted to get funding for.

3306
05:12:59,320 --> 05:13:08,180
And then, of those 75 applications, when we sent out the formal application, we received 55 applications from 40 jurisdictions.

3307
05:13:08,180 --> 05:13:31,440
So, not all of them came back with a formal application, but a fair amounted, and then the breakdown of that is 16 of those were related to hospital 2001, so code compliance, and then 39 of those related to hospital 2003 with housing needs analysis, housing implementation plans, and the other 2003 products.

3308
05:13:32,220 --> 05:13:42,540
And then as I said earlier, July, we are in the middle of the application review, and we expect to have those decisions awarded fairly soon.

3309
05:13:45,340 --> 05:13:49,460
And then local support. This is going back to the 2019-21 Bionium.

3310
05:13:50,920 --> 05:13:59,760
So the LCD funded 33 grant applications for 29 jurisdictions. So again, some jurisdictions had more than one product.

3311
05:14:00,540 --> 05:14:10,020
And of the 18 or 18 of the 21 medium cities that submitted POPA notice to require changes all but one are effective.

3312
05:14:10,960 --> 05:14:22,820
And then those remaining three as I mentioned earlier will use the model code until they are able to implement the minimum compliance if they wish or they can just keep keep with the model code.

3313
05:14:25,580 --> 05:14:34,240
And as I said, three cities haven't adopted the model code, and then Baker City, they didn't reach 10,000 population until December of 2020.

3314
05:14:35,000 --> 05:14:44,240
So they have until December of 2021 to comply, but they have their final hearing, their final city council hearing on August 25th.

3315
05:14:44,640 --> 05:14:49,400
So they're moving right along with this process and they should finish up well within that year.

3316
05:14:53,370 --> 05:14:54,130
And I

3317
05:14:56,180 --> 05:14:59,960
was going to wait till the end, but we couldn't admit it.

3318
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:00,420
I forget.

3319
05:15:02,660 --> 05:15:10,200
Do you have any insight on the ones that chose to use the Model Code versus not any insight on that?

3320
05:15:10,240 --> 05:15:11,320
How to keep it more out of curiosity?

3321
05:15:12,200 --> 05:15:18,420
Yeah, thank you for that. Jim MacArthur, face to your logo. It was really, I think it came down to the cities

3322
05:15:18,420 --> 05:15:27,240
that chose the Model Code. They didn't have the capacity to do this project. Whether that be resources,

3323
05:15:27,240 --> 05:15:30,060
is either staff or money.

3324
05:15:30,560 --> 05:15:33,580
They didn't have the resources to really tackle the project.

3325
05:15:34,580 --> 05:15:38,660
I think a few of them will in the future.

3326
05:15:39,080 --> 05:15:42,940
They will look to make these changes more

3327
05:15:42,940 --> 05:15:46,240
in line with Division of 46 rather than just the model code.

3328
05:15:46,920 --> 05:15:51,140
But for right now, they've chosen to just adopt the model code.

3329
05:15:54,660 --> 05:15:55,600
Thank you.

3330
05:15:56,460 --> 05:15:58,500
Tim McArthur and Vice Chair, I love that this is Ethan.

3331
05:15:58,500 --> 05:16:00,120
I just wanted to chime in on there.

3332
05:16:00,220 --> 05:16:03,680
And I think the city of Columbus Falls and central points

3333
05:16:04,860 --> 05:16:07,640
are kind of actively looking for resources

3334
05:16:07,640 --> 05:16:12,080
to complete that task of going through their local process

3335
05:16:12,080 --> 05:16:14,140
to determine, you know, as the model code right,

3336
05:16:14,220 --> 05:16:15,760
do we go with the minimum compliance standards?

3337
05:16:16,020 --> 05:16:18,440
And then I think the city of Canbe is taking a little bit

3338
05:16:18,440 --> 05:16:22,020
more of a, you know, we're okay with the model code approach

3339
05:16:22,020 --> 05:16:22,960
at this point in time.

3340
05:16:23,060 --> 05:16:26,780
And if they are able to kind of get the additional resources,

3341
05:16:26,780 --> 05:16:29,500
is then do it, but they're not actively seeking that out.

3342
05:16:29,520 --> 05:16:30,720
At least that's my understanding.

3343
05:16:31,360 --> 05:16:33,340
Last point, I had conversations with our cities.

3344
05:16:36,870 --> 05:16:37,650
Thank you.

3345
05:16:38,190 --> 05:16:38,690
Thank you, Ethan.

3346
05:16:41,150 --> 05:16:42,590
OK, sorry about that.

3347
05:16:43,090 --> 05:16:46,950
So getting back to another part of the previous biennium

3348
05:16:46,950 --> 05:16:50,210
during the rulemaking duplex configuration

3349
05:16:50,210 --> 05:16:54,190
was a big topic for medium cities and large cities.

3350
05:16:55,350 --> 05:16:58,330
Initially, we proposed having a duplex to find

3351
05:16:58,330 --> 05:16:59,930
as to attach to units.

3352
05:16:59,930 --> 05:17:10,230
We heard from the committee, several representatives on the committee, that we should look into having duplexes as detached configuration.

3353
05:17:11,570 --> 05:17:15,070
Number one, because some cities already allow that and it works well for them.

3354
05:17:15,330 --> 05:17:21,410
But number two, it just provides more opportunity for duplex construction.

3355
05:17:22,370 --> 05:17:29,550
So of the 21 medium cities subject to hospital 2001, six of them shows to allow only attached

3356
05:17:29,550 --> 05:17:35,110
dueplexes while 15 shows to allow them in any configuration, either attached or detached.

3357
05:17:36,770 --> 05:17:40,790
So this was an interesting piece of information that we found.

3358
05:17:41,630 --> 05:17:48,150
It's really interesting and it's great that staff and commission members recognize the need

3359
05:17:48,150 --> 05:17:51,530
to make that a broader definition,

3360
05:17:52,090 --> 05:17:56,350
because obviously more than a majority of the communities

3361
05:17:56,350 --> 05:18:00,110
that you did to do it shows the broader definition.

3362
05:18:00,750 --> 05:18:02,990
So thanks to you guys for thinking about that.

3363
05:18:03,570 --> 05:18:04,090
Yes, thank you, Chair.

3364
05:18:05,130 --> 05:18:07,410
All right, and now we are going to turn it over

3365
05:18:07,410 --> 05:18:11,070
to Mr. Kelly O'Neill, development services director

3366
05:18:11,070 --> 05:18:13,190
with the City of Sandy to give his presentation.

3367
05:18:15,580 --> 05:18:16,260
Thank you, Robert.

3368
05:18:16,260 --> 05:18:20,840
me share my screen here and bring up my PowerPoint presentation.

3369
05:18:25,340 --> 05:18:26,900
It's a very brief one and I'm

3370
05:18:26,900 --> 05:18:30,640
just going to go through it and then mainly turn it over for questions that you might have

3371
05:18:30,640 --> 05:18:38,020
made up hopefully I can answer. So first of all thank you commission for having me today and

3372
05:18:38,020 --> 05:18:45,560
thank you for DLCD staff or the invite to come and speak before you. You know being a small town

3373
05:18:45,560 --> 05:18:53,620
planning director, I find a lot of value in the state taking the time to hear our experiences

3374
05:18:53,620 --> 05:18:55,960
and so I really appreciate this opportunity.

3375
05:18:58,060 --> 05:19:03,160
So just jumping right into it, I wanted to first thank the project manager on this, Emily

3376
05:19:03,160 --> 05:19:05,900
Maharg, who's the senior planner for the City of Sandy.

3377
05:19:06,280 --> 05:19:10,680
She can join us today, but she helped me prepare this slide show and she did a lot of the

3378
05:19:10,680 --> 05:19:12,200
heavy lifting with the coaching just.

3379
05:19:12,200 --> 05:19:20,060
And then I would like to also give some thanks to Ethan Sean and the late Jennifer Donnelly.

3380
05:19:20,060 --> 05:19:27,000
They were all very helpful during this project and all very helpful in saving us time

3381
05:19:27,000 --> 05:19:31,540
and money through going through our turnies office for some questions that they handled pretty

3382
05:19:31,540 --> 05:19:36,520
quickly and then also just for support during the different public hearings and being willing

3383
05:19:36,520 --> 05:19:44,680
to come and present to our commission and city council and instead of just taking the evenings off,

3384
05:19:45,200 --> 05:19:49,080
they were very dedicated and helpful in that regard. So I just want to show my appreciation to them.

3385
05:19:51,160 --> 05:19:56,960
So a little about me. I work for the city of Sandy's for about 10 years now. I've been in my current

3386
05:19:56,960 --> 05:19:59,580
position for about four-and-a-half.

3387
05:19:59,700 --> 05:19:59,960
And...

3388
05:20:00,000 --> 05:20:04,460
The previous to that I worked with the City of Climate Falls and the City of Coburg.

3389
05:20:06,000 --> 05:20:10,040
So I've had about 16 years of organ land use planning at this point.

3390
05:20:10,300 --> 05:20:13,080
I'm a native Oregonian, born and raised in Central Oregon.

3391
05:20:14,540 --> 05:20:19,800
And I earn my bachelor's and master's degree both at the University of Oregon.

3392
05:20:19,960 --> 05:20:23,420
So go to ducks, for any of the people out there that are duck fans.

3393
05:20:23,860 --> 05:20:40,340
And then, for the past 10 years, my wife and I have raised our three boys in Sandy, so we're very rooted in this community and there's pluses and minuses for the hatch being a planning director in the town that you also live in, but just a little bit about myself.

3394
05:20:41,520 --> 05:20:50,680
And then a little bit about Sandy, it's about 50 minutes right now from downtown Portland when there's not a lot of traffic, it goes up to about an hour and 20 minutes when there is.

3395
05:20:50,680 --> 05:20:57,060
and then pretty consistently we're about 35 to 40 minutes from Mount Hood. So, you know, it's

3396
05:20:57,060 --> 05:21:02,300
it's a city where most of your prior where it's situated in that we're a thin close proximity to Portland

3397
05:21:03,180 --> 05:21:11,960
but also close proximity to outdoors. And so that brings both benefits and challenges. There's

3398
05:21:11,960 --> 05:21:16,780
a lot of people in town that like being located next to a large metropolitan area.

3399
05:21:20,100 --> 05:21:20,660
There's a

3400
05:21:20,660 --> 05:21:25,080
can easily commute to the metropolitan area but they have no desire to go to the metropolitan area

3401
05:21:25,080 --> 05:21:31,520
besides for work. So it is a very interesting town to work in. We have population of

3402
05:21:31,520 --> 05:21:38,760
about 12,000 people right now and it's growing rather significantly for a population rate increase

3403
05:21:38,760 --> 05:21:45,020
as we only had about 9,500 or 10 years ago. So percentage wise it's a pretty fast growing community.

3404
05:21:45,020 --> 05:21:52,220
We did a housing needs analysis in 2015 and based on that, we expanded our UGB by about

3405
05:21:52,800 --> 05:21:59,840
five or six hundred acres in 2017 and that would, I worked closely with Ms.

3406
05:21:59,860 --> 05:22:07,500
Honley and Mr. Howard with DLCD. We did that project all in house, but they, again, DLCD

3407
05:22:07,500 --> 05:22:12,360
staff was phenomenal and it was really beneficial for us to work closely with them to get

3408
05:22:12,360 --> 05:22:17,500
acknowledged as quickly as possible. And just since you guys were talking about

3409
05:22:17,500 --> 05:22:23,660
hospital 2003, I think we're due to our next housing needs analysis and then the

3410
05:22:23,660 --> 05:22:28,860
housing production analysis by 2024. So we'll be applying for one of those grants in

3411
05:22:28,860 --> 05:22:35,860
the near future. So a little background on the code adoption, we did some education of

3412
05:22:35,860 --> 05:22:39,900
the public, although in a smaller town like this it's very hit or miss when the

3413
05:22:39,900 --> 05:22:42,080
public gets involved in planning.

3414
05:22:42,740 --> 05:22:48,380
As you can probably imagine, it's usually based around actual development proposals, which

3415
05:22:48,380 --> 05:22:48,980
is unfortunate.

3416
05:22:48,980 --> 05:22:53,300
We don't hear from the public nearly as much on code proposals, which that's where they

3417
05:22:53,300 --> 05:22:54,520
can have more influence.

3418
05:22:55,620 --> 05:23:01,460
And it's unfortunate because by the time you get a development, especially for residential

3419
05:23:01,460 --> 05:23:07,460
housing, there's very little the city can do to satisfy some of the concerns from the residents.

3420
05:23:07,460 --> 05:23:10,100
So we really always encourage people to get involved

3421
05:23:10,100 --> 05:23:12,760
more at the code stage when we're rewriting code,

3422
05:23:13,000 --> 05:23:14,780
but we don't really get a lot of input, usually.

3423
05:23:16,660 --> 05:23:19,340
We modified 10 code chapters in our development code,

3424
05:23:19,600 --> 05:23:21,360
which when we started the process,

3425
05:23:21,580 --> 05:23:22,900
we thought there was only about six.

3426
05:23:23,040 --> 05:23:25,780
We needed to modify, but then we started digging deeper,

3427
05:23:25,820 --> 05:23:29,200
and we found more references to two pluses or adios.

3428
05:23:29,780 --> 05:23:32,680
And so it became a much larger project than we anticipated.

3429
05:23:33,140 --> 05:23:35,780
When we first set off on the project,

3430
05:23:35,780 --> 05:23:41,220
We didn't apply for any deal-city grant assistance because we felt that we could handle it easy in-house.

3431
05:23:41,980 --> 05:23:49,320
Then once we started taking through the HP 2001 code requirements and through our code ourselves

3432
05:23:49,320 --> 05:23:54,220
We realized we should have applied for a grant because it was a much larger project than we anticipated

3433
05:23:54,220 --> 05:24:01,180
We ended up having one planning commission work session and a hearing and then council we had a few hearings plus

3434
05:24:01,180 --> 05:24:07,520
another hearing to adopt the amendments. And then they became effective on June 16th. So

3435
05:24:07,520 --> 05:24:12,320
not only did we meet the deadline of the end of June, but we also had the actual code amendments

3436
05:24:13,060 --> 05:24:16,980
applied before the end of June. So we were kind of had the curb there, I think.

3437
05:24:19,730 --> 05:24:25,950
Some of the primary house bill 2001 code concerns for, and I think this would have been consistent

3438
05:24:25,950 --> 05:24:30,830
across any medium city in Oregon. I've worked for, you know, two cities that qualify as medium

3439
05:24:30,830 --> 05:24:36,110
cities in the state of Oregon, and then one that would be a smaller city. But one of the

3440
05:24:36,110 --> 05:24:41,850
most common concerns you always hear with development is vehicles and having enough parking.

3441
05:24:42,390 --> 05:24:47,130
And I think that really comes down to people in smaller towns, choose to locate in smaller

3442
05:24:47,130 --> 05:24:52,190
towns, partially because there are lots or usually a little bit larger. They have more available

3443
05:24:52,190 --> 05:24:58,530
parking spaces. A lot of people also have recreational vehicles and the ATDs and different things.

3444
05:24:58,530 --> 05:24:59,970
that was

3445
05:25:00,000 --> 05:25:07,500
This was actually probably the biggest concern we heard with HP 2001 from our elected officials, the planning commission and the public.

3446
05:25:09,000 --> 05:25:25,620
And then the other concerns we heard were more around lot size and density concerns. There's a lot of concerns that that I heard from our local politicians that there's a lot of, and I'll talk about this more on the next slide, but a lot of their home roll authority decision making is being taken away.

3447
05:25:25,620 --> 05:25:32,840
So that was kind of brought up a lot, and they feel like they're being forced to put more units on the same amount of land.

3448
05:25:33,940 --> 05:25:35,320
So I'll talk about that more a minute.

3449
05:25:36,400 --> 05:25:42,020
And then the last really, the last really big concern that they had, that they had some confusion over,

3450
05:25:42,020 --> 05:25:48,380
and I admittedly the first presentation or two that Emily and myself did,

3451
05:25:48,600 --> 05:25:50,280
we probably didn't do as good of a job we could of.

3452
05:25:50,280 --> 05:25:51,480
So we kind of learned from that.

3453
05:25:51,480 --> 05:25:58,180
And it's really describing what is legislative required as opposed to discretionary.

3454
05:25:59,280 --> 05:26:05,120
So I think that was a learning curve for our local staff here that really just

3455
05:26:05,120 --> 05:26:10,220
telling them what the state's requiring and being very upfront and making it very obvious

3456
05:26:10,220 --> 05:26:16,180
to them and then letting them know like Robert mentioned, do we have to allow both detached

3457
05:26:16,180 --> 05:26:21,500
and a attached duplexes or do they have decisions based on that.

3458
05:26:22,180 --> 05:26:24,880
So I think that was one of the most important things that we took away from it.

3459
05:26:25,160 --> 05:26:30,740
That next time when we go to pass code changes that are from the state that will make sure to lead off with that more.

3460
05:26:33,310 --> 05:26:36,690
And then kind of the lessons learned, which I was kind of already starting into there.

3461
05:26:37,450 --> 05:26:41,990
But I think the biggest lesson for Sandy at least, and I would say when I worked for climate falls,

3462
05:26:42,170 --> 05:26:47,790
it was probably something similar, is don't compare the smaller city to anywhere else.

3463
05:26:47,790 --> 05:26:53,530
They like to be kind of known as you know the city of Sandy whether it's true or not a lot of the people here

3464
05:26:53,530 --> 05:26:58,190
Like it to be known that 30 unique and they don't want to be compared to other cities

3465
05:26:58,190 --> 05:27:02,750
So I know that at one point there was a map share that showed historic trends

3466
05:27:04,030 --> 05:27:06,270
Related to redlining and other

3467
05:27:07,150 --> 05:27:13,870
Unfortunate events that happened in our history that made segregation and things possible in the city of Portland

3468
05:27:13,870 --> 05:27:20,770
And I know that the feedback immediately from our city council was that, well, we're not the city of Portland, this didn't happen here.

3469
05:27:21,570 --> 05:27:29,770
And so I think finding ways to express some of the historic trends or concerns is always a great idea.

3470
05:27:30,530 --> 05:27:39,930
But I think showing maps of like the city of Portland or any larger metropolitan areas, it typically rubs the local, local elected officials the wrong way.

3471
05:27:39,930 --> 05:27:42,850
So I think we would say way more than that in the future.

3472
05:27:44,070 --> 05:27:46,450
One of the other big things that I already touched upon a little bit

3473
05:27:46,450 --> 05:27:48,070
but is their homoral authority.

3474
05:27:48,470 --> 05:27:49,930
So a lot of smaller towns.

3475
05:27:50,210 --> 05:27:52,450
And in my tenure in Sandy, this has always been the case.

3476
05:27:53,150 --> 05:27:55,890
The elected officials, not staff is much,

3477
05:27:55,970 --> 05:27:59,170
but the elected officials feel like legislative rules

3478
05:27:59,170 --> 05:28:02,090
passed by the state of Oregon kind of take away

3479
05:28:02,090 --> 05:28:04,470
from their local decision-making space.

3480
05:28:05,010 --> 05:28:09,290
And so if you were to go back and listen to the hearings

3481
05:28:09,290 --> 05:28:15,970
before the City Council, I think at all three of them, you'll hear this, that the State of

3482
05:28:15,970 --> 05:28:20,410
Oregon should keep out of the city of Sandy, and they shouldn't be making rules that

3483
05:28:20,410 --> 05:28:26,230
then we have to adopt. So, not saying that I personally do that or not, but it's something

3484
05:28:26,230 --> 05:28:30,710
that you commonly hear from elected officials. I think especially in smaller communities where

3485
05:28:30,710 --> 05:28:37,110
they feel like, they should be under different rules than the larger metropolitan areas,

3486
05:28:38,010 --> 05:28:39,970
even though we're right by Portland.

3487
05:28:41,450 --> 05:28:43,250
Another thing that was brought up,

3488
05:28:43,430 --> 05:28:47,150
nobody stated this, but I know this was a concern,

3489
05:28:48,090 --> 05:28:49,910
and it never really occurred to me,

3490
05:28:50,090 --> 05:28:52,750
but kind of campaign objectives for newly elected officials.

3491
05:28:53,630 --> 05:28:58,130
We had three new city counselors that just were appointed in January,

3492
05:28:58,690 --> 05:29:04,570
and two of them ran on kind of a slow growth policy.

3493
05:29:04,570 --> 05:29:18,230
They wanted, you know, they kind of ran on the idea that they were getting elected partially to try to slow growth in Sandy since we are like the third fastest burying city per capital over the last 20 years in Oregon.

3494
05:29:18,870 --> 05:29:23,050
And so they kind of ran on a platform opposing that.

3495
05:29:23,050 --> 05:29:37,010
And then I think for them, it was then a hurdle for them that then within six months of being elected and then serving on the council, they were adopting code changes that were increasing potentially density.

3496
05:29:37,950 --> 05:29:47,850
So for them, I know for at least two of those people, it was a very difficult pill to swallow, that they ran on this platform of slowing growth, decreasing density.

3497
05:29:47,850 --> 05:29:53,150
and then within six months there was a house bill that they had to adopt that potentially

3498
05:29:53,150 --> 05:29:59,970
has the effect of increasing density. So that was interesting. Another lesson learned is the device.

3499
05:30:00,000 --> 05:30:02,420
Oppositions, public comments, and politics, as you're all aware, there's so

3500
05:30:02,420 --> 05:30:06,420
President Nowt is, it's so much worse than 16 years ago, and I started in local

3501
05:30:06,420 --> 05:30:12,320
government in Oregon, and it enters the decision space at every meeting,

3502
05:30:12,740 --> 05:30:18,340
almost, and especially when there's a house bill that they're adopting.

3503
05:30:19,420 --> 05:30:23,620
It's an easy way to kind of poke the bear, and kind of say, well, I was never in

3504
05:30:23,620 --> 05:30:28,200
favor this. And I don't really care what the state of Oregon's telling us to do.

3505
05:30:28,200 --> 05:30:29,160
I don't want to do it.

3506
05:30:29,700 --> 05:30:35,240
So that definitely entered into some of the decisions based not only with HP 2001, but with

3507
05:30:35,240 --> 05:30:42,160
other decisions from the last 10 years as politics become more divisive.

3508
05:30:43,040 --> 05:30:46,460
And then my other takeaway that I would recommend to anybody around the state is work

3509
05:30:46,460 --> 05:30:47,860
with the LCD staff.

3510
05:30:48,360 --> 05:30:52,360
You know, they're the experts, they're knowledgeable, they're always willing to help.

3511
05:30:52,360 --> 05:31:00,580
And I sometimes think, in other jurisdictions, I work in that the planning directors or the

3512
05:31:00,580 --> 05:31:03,740
different people within those cities were, you know, they're very good professionals,

3513
05:31:04,300 --> 05:31:08,740
but I don't think they took advantage of getting input and working with the LCD stock

3514
05:31:08,740 --> 05:31:09,400
closely enough.

3515
05:31:09,840 --> 05:31:14,240
And I think what that ends up doing is you don't fully understand and you're not as immersed

3516
05:31:14,240 --> 05:31:15,520
as a local planner.

3517
05:31:15,960 --> 05:31:19,880
And so reaching out to them and just getting their feedback and input constantly, I think,

3518
05:31:19,880 --> 05:31:28,220
very helpful. And then so that's end of my slide show, so I don't know if I'm turning it to

3519
05:31:28,220 --> 05:31:36,100
over to chair MacArthur or Robert, but I'll take any questions. Yeah, that was an excellent

3520
05:31:36,100 --> 05:31:41,740
presentation. I really appreciate it being so thorough about everything, not just in mechanics,

3521
05:31:42,720 --> 05:31:47,140
but the politics and all that kind of thing. It's really a wonderful glimpse into your world,

3522
05:31:47,140 --> 05:31:49,560
But I suspect that world plays out across the state.

3523
05:31:50,240 --> 05:31:51,340
So it's very helpful.

3524
05:31:52,140 --> 05:31:52,940
I have a question.

3525
05:31:53,220 --> 05:31:55,440
I was wondering what your thoughts are now

3526
05:31:55,440 --> 05:31:57,420
that the dots that and good we're getting adopted.

3527
05:31:59,500 --> 05:32:03,340
What is your sense of how that will play out?

3528
05:32:03,340 --> 05:32:07,260
Do you think there'll be a rapid increase in dueplexes,

3529
05:32:07,380 --> 05:32:08,960
or just in certain neighborhoods,

3530
05:32:09,200 --> 05:32:12,120
or what kind of, what do you anticipate

3531
05:32:12,680 --> 05:32:15,300
as people go forth and develop their property,

3532
05:32:15,440 --> 05:32:17,060
perhaps differently than they were able

3533
05:32:17,060 --> 05:32:23,140
before. Yeah, so that's such a good question. And it's something that I got from our planning

3534
05:32:23,140 --> 05:32:28,480
commission and elected officials. And I think there was a number that the state was anticipating

3535
05:32:28,480 --> 05:32:35,680
about 3% of houses that would, and correct me from wrong anybody. But I, I believe somebody told me

3536
05:32:35,680 --> 05:32:43,060
there was a projection that about 3% of lots of traditional bill to single-family homes would be

3537
05:32:43,060 --> 05:32:47,540
doplexes instead, go into the future. And you know, I think that number is accurate. If anything

3538
05:32:47,540 --> 05:32:54,260
in Sandy, I think it'll be higher than that. I don't know about conversion of existing houses to

3539
05:32:54,260 --> 05:32:59,120
doplexes. I think I think in Sandy, at least for the next couple of years, that won't happen very often.

3540
05:32:59,760 --> 05:33:05,200
But I am getting a lot of interest from developers that have approved subdivisions that they're

3541
05:33:05,200 --> 05:33:10,680
already saying, you know, maybe a fourth or fifth of lots that they were going to put in in single family homes

3542
05:33:10,680 --> 05:33:16,280
will now most likely be due flexes. So I don't know if that will play out or not, but that's what

3543
05:33:16,280 --> 05:33:20,380
I'm hearing from the local development community is that they were pretty excited with the passing of

3544
05:33:20,380 --> 05:33:27,490
HP. Thank you. Thank you. Other commissioners, do you have questions for Mr. O'Neill?

3545
05:33:33,210 --> 05:33:33,330
I

3546
05:33:33,330 --> 05:33:42,550
ask Mr. O'Neill for being so candid with us on a previous city council. So I understand,

3547
05:33:42,770 --> 05:33:47,150
you know, being on the other side of the dice, but it's always great. I think especially for,

3548
05:33:47,150 --> 05:33:56,170
You know, this commission to hear staffs, I don't want to say straws, but what you have to work with with your city council, because it's a big job.

3549
05:33:56,630 --> 05:34:00,130
So, thanks for doing it. And just a random question.

3550
05:34:00,470 --> 05:34:13,770
Did you feel like your city council was trying to kind of undermine this in any way, you know, where they where they really are, you know, starkly opposed to it and then did you have to explain to them that this is kind of what they have to do or how to that play out.

3551
05:34:15,650 --> 05:34:23,810
Yeah, I think some city council members and over my tenure and government like to

3552
05:34:23,810 --> 05:34:30,150
grandstand a little bit, so they like to kind of take the opportunity to kind of say what's

3553
05:34:30,150 --> 05:34:30,850
on their mind.

3554
05:34:31,130 --> 05:34:36,170
And so a little bit of that happened, and even one of the city council members, that council

3555
05:34:36,170 --> 05:34:40,310
member even said, you know, right before they even made the comments, they said, I know

3556
05:34:40,310 --> 05:34:45,730
have to pass this, but I want to get this off my chest. And so there was definitely some

3557
05:34:45,730 --> 05:34:55,030
of that going on. But, you know, by and large, our council was very, they understood that it

3558
05:34:55,030 --> 05:34:59,290
had to be passed. And so that's why I said that they really wanted to know what their decisions

3559
05:34:59,290 --> 05:34:59,890
space was.

3560
05:35:00,620 --> 05:35:08,820
But they, you know, they never, I never heard from one of them that they were saying, oh, that's the way this or let's not try to adopt this and just use the model code.

3561
05:35:09,860 --> 05:35:14,900
They very well understood that it hadn't be adopted. So that was a relief for staff.

3562
05:35:16,500 --> 05:35:19,840
Because if that wouldn't have happened, then we would have had to learn what the model code says.

3563
05:35:20,400 --> 05:35:23,500
And I don't know if I actually don't know what it says, so.

3564
05:35:23,500 --> 05:35:27,580
I totally get that advice to you all over.

3565
05:35:28,220 --> 05:35:28,400
Yes.

3566
05:35:28,560 --> 05:35:28,980
Thank you.

3567
05:35:29,220 --> 05:35:31,620
I wanted to thank you for giving us so much insight.

3568
05:35:32,340 --> 05:35:35,020
It's interesting having been on the other side.

3569
05:35:35,180 --> 05:35:41,340
You know, talking about this so much about what you think people will say or not say or what will be the topics to actually hear what they are.

3570
05:35:41,460 --> 05:35:43,940
So I wanted to thank you for presenting that.

3571
05:35:44,100 --> 05:35:46,760
I think they were just two comments I wanted to talk about.

3572
05:35:46,760 --> 05:36:08,740
One was, I like how you said, kind of that required versus allowed discussion and having people understand that. I think we had we struggled with that even in the rack where it was saying that the city wouldn't require the developer to make this certain amount of parking let's say, but the developer could make more if they wanted to, right.

3573
05:36:08,740 --> 05:36:26,060
And that whole required versus allowed really gives that kind of market flexibility that you will see developers like it and it tunes it more to like what's feasible financially and etc. if it's if it's needed or not needed.

3574
05:36:26,980 --> 05:36:37,320
I think the other one that you gave it was interesting was the idea of using other people's cities histories to tell a story with regard to Portland and redlining.

3575
05:36:37,320 --> 05:36:42,500
And it just made me think, you know, every city has its own history with regard to discrimination,

3576
05:36:43,480 --> 05:36:44,420
especially racial discrimination.

3577
05:36:45,260 --> 05:36:50,560
And it probably would be beneficial for every city to kind of see, well, what happened in our city.

3578
05:36:51,420 --> 05:36:55,400
And that might actually be a harder thing to deal with.

3579
05:36:55,440 --> 05:36:59,410
I think it's easier to say that they were, it was been over there, right, not us.

3580
05:37:00,160 --> 05:37:05,520
And even if there wasn't public like redlining or banking regulations,

3581
05:37:05,520 --> 05:37:18,800
Well, even if there wasn't public like city or governmental there's always been private discriminatory practices and there's always been lending banking discriminatory practices and so

3582
05:37:19,780 --> 05:37:28,660
attuning that understanding for your particular local actually will result in better outcomes because it will actually identify what are the problems in your community.

3583
05:37:28,660 --> 05:37:35,880
So I thought that was a good lesson in thinking about, about that. Thank you.

3584
05:37:37,020 --> 05:37:37,840
Thank you, Vice Chair.

3585
05:37:40,440 --> 05:37:42,640
Other commissioners have questions?

3586
05:37:43,360 --> 05:37:43,820
Comments?

3587
05:37:44,720 --> 05:37:46,240
I have a comment chair.

3588
05:37:48,840 --> 05:37:49,180
Yeah.

3589
05:37:50,480 --> 05:37:56,620
Well, I mean, first of all, I want to second with Vice Chair just said about different

3590
05:37:56,620 --> 05:37:59,700
different market-based kind of discriminatory practices.

3591
05:38:00,480 --> 05:38:01,940
So I wanted to learn more about,

3592
05:38:03,140 --> 05:38:09,620
I think whether rationales for passing this policy

3593
05:38:09,620 --> 05:38:14,780
was to try to kind of diversify single-family housing,

3594
05:38:15,820 --> 05:38:19,720
make it more, out of multi-cultural

3595
05:38:19,720 --> 05:38:21,780
and the multi-ethnic and so forth.

3596
05:38:22,120 --> 05:38:25,800
So I'm just wondering about kind of the racial ethnic dynamics

3597
05:38:25,800 --> 05:38:32,760
of your city. Maybe if you could talk a little bit about, you know, the demographics of your

3598
05:38:32,760 --> 05:38:43,320
town, do you feel like there was some sort of like some of the pushback might have been related

3599
05:38:44,040 --> 05:38:50,760
to, you know, underlying issues of racism and so forth. So yeah, I'm just curious about that.

3600
05:38:51,440 --> 05:38:54,840
Thank you. Sure. I'll try to answer that the best I can.

3601
05:38:54,840 --> 05:39:01,760
Since I live in town, and since I've seen the census numbers, I haven't seen obviously the 2020 census numbers.

3602
05:39:02,580 --> 05:39:10,420
But I do know that the, the Latino population in Sandy is definitely increasing.

3603
05:39:10,420 --> 05:39:14,060
I think it's over the last 20 years about double work.

3604
05:39:14,060 --> 05:39:15,840
I think it's tripled actually.

3605
05:39:16,860 --> 05:39:22,720
Unfortunately, though, besides that, we're not seeing a lot of other

3606
05:39:24,960 --> 05:39:26,200
minority groups

3607
05:39:26,200 --> 05:39:32,480
choosing to locate insanity, so it is predominantly Caucasian, and I haven't really

3608
05:39:32,480 --> 05:39:37,360
seen that trend in changing much since I've worked here in the ten years with the exception

3609
05:39:37,360 --> 05:39:40,680
of an increase in Latino population.

3610
05:39:41,460 --> 05:39:49,360
I don't really know if any of the hesitancy to the house bill or any state-mandaged

3611
05:39:49,360 --> 05:39:53,720
changes would be or are related to racism, per se.

3612
05:39:54,680 --> 05:39:59,900
However, I do hear a lot of comments and you know, they're public.

3613
05:40:00,000 --> 05:40:16,180
We get a lot of feedback and comments when there's multi-family housing proposed in Sandy that it's going to bring in those people and low income people and crime and different comments like that.

3614
05:40:16,500 --> 05:40:25,980
And typically when I when I see personally comments like that, whether they're expressly intended to be racist or not, to me, it's definitely a concern.

3615
05:40:26,620 --> 05:40:55,560
So, you know, I didn't hear anything like that from our elected officials, but I do know from some citizens in our town whenever we get multi-family housing proposals, and I'm assuming, you know, when we start getting some more due-plex proposals, this will most likely do the same thing, is that there is a big opposition for it because a lot of people like to claim that it will have property values and introduces crime, so, which statistically speaking, I've never seen a study that proves either one of those things.

3616
05:40:55,560 --> 05:40:57,660
So I don't know where they're getting this information from.

3617
05:40:59,520 --> 05:41:01,240
But so yeah, I think at the very least,

3618
05:41:01,400 --> 05:41:06,300
there's definitely bias that's being introduced when there's

3619
05:41:06,300 --> 05:41:08,320
multi-tell me housing proposals in most likely,

3620
05:41:08,320 --> 05:41:10,120
even HP 2000 won.

3621
05:41:11,460 --> 05:41:12,460
Yeah. Okay. Thank you, thank you, Mr.

3622
05:41:12,620 --> 05:41:14,240
Only on that, it's very helpful.

3623
05:41:15,040 --> 05:41:17,640
It's good. I mean, I totally agree with you that

3624
05:41:17,640 --> 05:41:22,000
different historical kind of context is different, right?

3625
05:41:22,260 --> 05:41:23,120
And different counts.

3626
05:41:23,320 --> 05:41:26,640
So it's really good to hear and kind of have,

3627
05:41:26,640 --> 05:41:29,800
and have your really honest assessment of those issues,

3628
05:41:30,100 --> 05:41:31,960
sometimes they're hard to just speak to.

3629
05:41:32,320 --> 05:41:33,320
So, thank you.

3630
05:41:34,160 --> 05:41:36,000
Yeah. And I really appreciate the question,

3631
05:41:36,800 --> 05:41:43,620
Commissioner Sundovall and the answer, it reinforces in my mind that we did the right thing

3632
05:41:43,620 --> 05:41:48,580
and the legislature did the right thing, we did the right thing by in these rules in place.

3633
05:41:53,800 --> 05:41:54,300
Other

3634
05:41:56,740 --> 05:42:00,480
commissioners, not seeing any of us, I'm sorry Commissioner Azizek.

3635
05:42:00,900 --> 05:42:07,020
Oh, I was kind of delayed by response there. I really appreciate it. I always, I just really appreciate

3636
05:42:07,020 --> 05:42:10,520
hearing from small towns about how the rules are implemented

3637
05:42:10,520 --> 05:42:13,060
and your experience is an I appreciate, you know,

3638
05:42:13,060 --> 05:42:16,280
Sandy's not Portland and the pine is not bent.

3639
05:42:17,020 --> 05:42:18,780
Why do I hear that every single day?

3640
05:42:19,140 --> 05:42:23,380
And I just wonder if you might actually experience

3641
05:42:24,900 --> 05:42:29,100
more just, you know, smaller, affluent households,

3642
05:42:29,380 --> 05:42:32,300
moving the can work remotely outside of Portland

3643
05:42:32,300 --> 05:42:35,880
that want access to Mount Hood and the cascades

3644
05:42:35,880 --> 05:42:37,080
and the recreational amenities.

3645
05:42:37,360 --> 05:42:42,820
It could actually end up attracting people just with the smaller households.

3646
05:42:42,900 --> 05:42:44,620
Maybe a little bit less expensive attached.

3647
05:42:44,880 --> 05:42:49,700
I just any thoughts on that on being a little Zoom town and some of those potential impacts.

3648
05:42:50,560 --> 05:42:53,020
I mean, I certainly, but yeah, no, I think that's a very common.

3649
05:42:53,360 --> 05:42:54,880
I certainly think that's a possibility.

3650
05:42:56,040 --> 05:42:59,480
I know I think there's more cities looking to do it, but we were one of the first,

3651
05:42:59,480 --> 05:43:06,780
if not the first in Oregon to the city has its own broadband infrastructure standing at and we

3652
05:43:06,780 --> 05:43:13,300
run that. And so we have, I think, at least about a year ago, the lowest prices in the state of

3653
05:43:13,300 --> 05:43:22,080
Oregon for gig fiber. So, and even for the fiber, I have a mine house, it's like $4199 a month.

3654
05:43:22,300 --> 05:43:27,940
And I think the comparison of Portland's like $110 a month, I believe, for the same speed.

3655
05:43:27,940 --> 05:43:34,660
So, yeah, I definitely think the city of Sandy has a competitive advantage for having people that are zoom

3656
05:43:34,660 --> 05:43:39,500
commuters that might have to go into Portland one or two days a week, and then it's very close to the outdoors.

3657
05:43:40,880 --> 05:43:47,540
And I think a lot of that advantage has to do with RGA graphical location, but then also with the internet speeds that we have in town right now.

3658
05:43:48,780 --> 05:43:54,100
And I do want to comment on your bend is, or a little pine is not bend, comment on it. Yeah, what I grew up in the pine.

3659
05:43:54,100 --> 05:43:59,440
So I think the difference between like a lapine or climate

3660
05:43:59,440 --> 05:44:03,260
falls or I also worked in is there's not as much,

3661
05:44:03,260 --> 05:44:06,540
there's more poverty, more income issues

3662
05:44:06,540 --> 05:44:09,080
in both of those communities, whereas in Sandy,

3663
05:44:09,860 --> 05:44:12,140
they're just, I mean, not on the same level

3664
05:44:12,140 --> 05:44:14,040
that you don't want in those communities face.

3665
05:44:15,140 --> 05:44:17,020
So it is interesting living in all three of them

3666
05:44:17,020 --> 05:44:17,980
and being a native or a guardian.

3667
05:44:18,300 --> 05:44:21,620
They all have kind of similar, like elected officials,

3668
05:44:21,820 --> 05:44:23,360
have the same kind of similar thought process,

3669
05:44:23,360 --> 05:44:29,080
I believe in those small towns, but the actual obstacles and things that we face in Sandy are

3670
05:44:29,080 --> 05:44:33,080
not nearly as dire as other communities I've lived in in Oregon. That's definitely true.

3671
05:44:36,340 --> 05:44:42,200
You know, and you've also made your downtown really attractive. There was at one point, probably 30 years

3672
05:44:42,200 --> 05:44:48,220
ago now, but I used to a long time ago go up and ski on hood to go into that area.

3673
05:44:48,960 --> 05:44:55,600
It just seemed like there was, there was no there there. And in fact, there was a period of time

3674
05:44:55,600 --> 05:44:58,500
During the last 30 years, early on, maybe 20 years ago,

3675
05:44:58,640 --> 05:44:59,900
that it seemed like at some point.

3676
05:45:00,020 --> 05:45:26,520
That sort of the big box retail because of 26 affording the kind of easy and easy out and big spaces. Big box retail located outside of your downtown. And there was a real opportunity or chance that that might go via the direction and there wouldn't ever be there there. But I think the work you've done and probably some of your predecessors, I think there is a real community in the downtown area. So good on you for that.

3677
05:45:26,520 --> 05:45:27,820
I appreciate about the vacuum.

3678
05:45:32,000 --> 05:45:37,560
So seeing no more questions on this, thank you, Mr. Neil, very, very much, wonderful conversation.

3679
05:45:37,860 --> 05:45:44,400
As other commissioners have said, it really helps us so much to hear from local folks who are actually doing this work on the ground.

3680
05:45:44,760 --> 05:45:50,400
It helps us understand the work we've done to date, but also informs the next real making effort that we have.

3681
05:45:50,740 --> 05:45:52,100
So thanks very much.

3682
05:45:53,020 --> 05:45:55,080
Thank all of you and have a great weekend.

3683
05:45:55,080 --> 05:45:57,860
you to back to Robert.

3684
05:45:58,960 --> 05:46:00,140
Yeah, thank you, Chairman Carthor.

3685
05:46:00,460 --> 05:46:01,100
And thank you, Kelly.

3686
05:46:01,780 --> 05:46:02,860
I don't have any more slides,

3687
05:46:03,240 --> 05:46:05,420
but I am available for questions from the commission.

3688
05:46:08,360 --> 05:46:10,000
I don't have any questions.

3689
05:46:10,820 --> 05:46:12,460
I'll ask my colleagues of that in a sec,

3690
05:46:12,660 --> 05:46:16,320
but I just, I'm just really continue to be amazed

3691
05:46:16,320 --> 05:46:19,120
at the housing team and impressed.

3692
05:46:19,580 --> 05:46:21,460
Just, I, we said earlier,

3693
05:46:21,620 --> 05:46:22,560
I don't know if you were online,

3694
05:46:22,820 --> 05:46:25,940
we said earlier talking about the commission or the department budget

3695
05:46:25,940 --> 05:46:33,820
that really the work that the entire team, you and Ethan and the entire team and that it's not just the housing team but all the folks that work with you in department.

3696
05:46:34,720 --> 05:46:44,960
The way you did the rulemaking, the rules themselves, the outreach, these forums that you provide monthly just to make sure people understand this.

3697
05:46:44,960 --> 05:46:48,120
That just takes an enormous amount of resource.

3698
05:46:48,120 --> 05:47:01,160
And it's such it's so exciting to think that you're doing that work and I know it's it's cumbersome, but it's so important because I think perhaps in the old old days we used to adopt a role in move on partly because we were busy.

3699
05:47:01,980 --> 05:47:14,780
But I'm just really excited about this model. We may not be able to reproduce this model in every single we're making effort. This is a grand model that you guys have a perfect is so thanks for that.

3700
05:47:14,780 --> 05:47:17,800
Thank you, Chairman Carthor. We appreciate it.

3701
05:47:18,460 --> 05:47:22,260
And yeah, the open forums, I think, was a great idea.

3702
05:47:22,940 --> 05:47:26,440
I think Ethan brought that up. It's a great idea because we,

3703
05:47:27,380 --> 05:47:30,620
even though a lot of the, well, the rule making is done.

3704
05:47:30,860 --> 05:47:33,760
A lot of the implementation from medium cities is done.

3705
05:47:34,360 --> 05:47:37,520
We still get to hear feedback on how it went.

3706
05:47:38,380 --> 05:47:40,800
How it's going after the rules are effective.

3707
05:47:40,800 --> 05:47:46,940
And a lot of the large cities, some of the obstacles that they're still facing.

3708
05:47:47,980 --> 05:47:52,580
So yeah, the Open of Forum has been great for continued feedback.

3709
05:47:55,920 --> 05:47:56,400
Thanks, Robert.

3710
05:47:56,580 --> 05:47:59,380
Any other questions, comments from commissioners?

3711
05:48:00,970 --> 05:48:02,870
Do you see any?

3712
05:48:03,370 --> 05:48:05,450
Well, great high note to end on.

3713
05:48:05,850 --> 05:48:06,510
Thanks, everyone.

3714
05:48:06,950 --> 05:48:08,370
And oh, there's no public comment.

3715
05:48:08,430 --> 05:48:09,170
Thank you for that.

3716
05:48:09,250 --> 05:48:11,130
I'm so bad at that.

3717
05:48:12,130 --> 05:48:12,770
Thank you.

3718
05:48:12,830 --> 05:48:13,930
I need all sorts of prompts.

3719
05:48:13,930 --> 05:48:19,790
It's not because I don't like public involvement, I really do, but I kind of get going toward the end of the conversation.

3720
05:48:20,390 --> 05:48:31,910
So thanks for their reminder. We will adjourn for the night, and we convened tomorrow morning at 830 and start the climate work.

3721
05:48:32,570 --> 05:48:33,770
So thanks, everyone. Great day.

3722
05:48:38,860 --> 05:48:40,480
Thank you.

3723
05:48:40,860 --> 05:48:41,400
Recording stuff.