1 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:32,960 e e 2 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:19,840 okay it t the hour so let's call the meeting of the 11 and Planning 3 00:01:17,680 --> 00:01:22,240 Commission order please be standing for a flag 4 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:34,439 salute iedge aliance to the flag of the United States of America and to the for 5 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:39,000 which it stands one nation under God indivisible with liberty and justice for 6 00:01:39,479 --> 00:01:48,000 all right thank you and Kelly would you call a roll 7 00:01:44,759 --> 00:01:55,159 absolutely uh Commissioners Miller here Malloy here angelp here bount here 8 00:01:52,079 --> 00:02:02,600 commissioner Baxter is excused brashers here mlan here Vice chair gar kunowski 9 00:01:59,119 --> 00:02:06,799 here and chair Robertson here okay I hope everybody's had an 10 00:02:05,039 --> 00:02:11,599 opportunity to review the minutes from our June Planning 11 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:14,080 Commission uh any additions corrections to those 12 00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:21,190 minutes hearing none then the minutes will be approved as 13 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:27,400 presented [Music] 14 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:34,360 um just skip over that um we have three public hearings on our agenda tonight 15 00:02:30,959 --> 00:02:40,760 and I am going to turn it over to our legal guy legal guy for some great stuff 16 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:44,640 thank you chair uh tonight's hearing will be pursuant to the quasa judicial 17 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:48,280 procedure set out in 97797 at the start of each hearing 18 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:51,959 commission members will be asked to disclose any ex party Communications 19 00:02:50,319 --> 00:02:56,879 conflict of interest or bias if you have any questions as to what that is please 20 00:02:53,800 --> 00:03:00,599 let me know the applicable substantive criteria for this hearing will be 21 00:02:58,200 --> 00:03:04,480 addressed in the staff report testimony may be in any oral or written form but 22 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:07,480 must be directed towards the criteria outlined in the staff report the 23 00:03:05,959 --> 00:03:12,239 comprehensive plan are the city's land use regulations any issue raised must be 24 00:03:10,239 --> 00:03:16,000 accompanied accompanied by statements or evidence sufficient enough to allow the 25 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:20,120 commission and parties an opportunity to respond please note the failure to raise 26 00:03:18,159 --> 00:03:24,680 an issue including a constitutional issue by the close of the hearing will 27 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:32,319 prevent any appeal to the land board of appeals you may ask for any uh bias or 28 00:03:28,920 --> 00:03:40,000 expar contct act okay and with that we will open public 29 00:03:34,239 --> 00:03:48,680 hearing uh ar-24 d05 as for any exper contact uh conflict of interest or 30 00:03:44,239 --> 00:03:48,680 bias I live near 31 00:03:49,879 --> 00:03:56,519 by so you're saying you live nearby the proposed development yes and will the 32 00:03:55,200 --> 00:04:01,319 fact that you live nearby that development have any influence in your 33 00:03:58,200 --> 00:04:05,120 decision-making process tonight no okay okay any other 34 00:04:05,959 --> 00:04:14,000 disclosures if not then we will turn it over to staff for staff 35 00:04:11,159 --> 00:04:21,040 report uh so good evening everybody before you tonight is a proposed uh 36 00:04:17,280 --> 00:04:26,360 apartment development for a 20 unit uh development at 37 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:31,800 377 Von Lane the property is on the south side of Von Lane it is located 38 00:04:28,840 --> 00:04:38,080 within the residential mixed density Zone uh it is surrounded by properties 39 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:43,240 that is within a mix of City uh limits and County limits all within the urban 40 00:04:40,479 --> 00:04:49,560 growth boundary um and the comprehensive plan designation and Zoning designation 41 00:04:45,919 --> 00:04:56,280 match as residential mixed density um it is surrounded by residential uses of um 42 00:04:53,520 --> 00:05:00,520 single family homes in nature um and the property to the South is currently 43 00:04:58,199 --> 00:05:05,880 vacant um but it has been previously approved for a subdivision um and an 44 00:05:03,440 --> 00:05:10,720 application before you tonight is also uh a proposal for a subdivision 45 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:15,400 modification for that site as well um there are public facilities within Von 46 00:05:12,840 --> 00:05:21,280 Lane that are available to be extended to the site um to serve the development 47 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:27,960 as well um and we will be able to talk about those in the next 48 00:05:24,080 --> 00:05:33,240 slide um this is the proposed uh development again the assigned zoning is 49 00:05:30,880 --> 00:05:39,560 residential mixed density uh the proposal is 28 uh apartment units all of 50 00:05:36,520 --> 00:05:45,120 them would be one bedroom units uh it is proposed to be single 51 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:50,199 story um the density for the property meets code uh in terms of how many units 52 00:05:48,120 --> 00:05:55,080 are provided for the size of the property um it's actually less dense 53 00:05:53,000 --> 00:06:02,759 than what is technically authorized per the code um per what is required for uh 54 00:05:59,800 --> 00:06:08,400 the area you uh to make the number of units um that are proposed you require 55 00:06:05,960 --> 00:06:14,120 just under an acre in size and the property is 1.88 Acres so it is less 56 00:06:11,400 --> 00:06:20,039 dense than what is uh authorized um the property uh includes a 57 00:06:17,840 --> 00:06:24,360 total of three building blocks two of them are oriented kind of in a north 58 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:29,800 south Direction um and one of them towards the south side of the property 59 00:06:25,880 --> 00:06:34,440 is oriented in an East West Direction um and they're oriented around the main 60 00:06:31,840 --> 00:06:41,120 Drive aisles to provide the parking and access uh to the sites uh the property 61 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:45,880 and the development is designed to meet the required setback standards uh it 62 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:52,000 meets the required 10- foot front setback along Von Lane uh the five foot 63 00:06:49,280 --> 00:06:58,919 setbacks along the side property line is the minimum um that minimum is provided 64 00:06:55,000 --> 00:07:04,639 for the southern building block um um for that east west building um for the 65 00:07:01,759 --> 00:07:11,160 Eastern property line uh a 10- foot setback is provided for the north south 66 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:16,479 building on the western uh building block uh and then a much larger setback 67 00:07:13,800 --> 00:07:21,919 is provided for the north south building block uh on the western side of the 68 00:07:19,039 --> 00:07:28,400 property um where the uh remainder part of that property area is provided as the 69 00:07:24,919 --> 00:07:36,319 open space area but it is also a large Wetland area for the site um as you can 70 00:07:31,960 --> 00:07:40,759 see um also south of that uh building that's oriented in the east west 71 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:48,240 direction there's also a large area that's about 79 feet uh in setback area 72 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:54,159 from the southern property line um that is the rear setback um that is far more 73 00:07:51,599 --> 00:07:59,080 than the minimum the ma the minimum 20 foot setback and that is largely because 74 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:04,720 that area is also designated Wetland area 75 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:11,560 um so for lot coverage purposes the maximum allowed under code is 60% of the 76 00:08:07,759 --> 00:08:15,960 lot area um what is proposed is 25 so that meets the 77 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:21,879 requirements um for open space standards 25% of the lot must meet the uh must be 78 00:08:18,879 --> 00:08:27,759 provided for open space um and then the standards as dictated in the uh in the 79 00:08:24,319 --> 00:08:33,680 staff reports uh are are uh separated for uh commment open space and usable 80 00:08:30,319 --> 00:08:38,519 open space um the blue area is designated as the common and usable open 81 00:08:36,560 --> 00:08:45,240 space and within that includes the children's play area um and they're also 82 00:08:41,399 --> 00:08:50,880 providing private uh patio areas um which provides the the open space area 83 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:58,880 as well um to meet the code requirements uh in terms of parking uh 84 00:08:54,399 --> 00:09:02,200 to within our code um there is a mixture of B bicycle parking requirements and 85 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:09,760 vehicle parking requirements um it's 2.25 parking spaces 86 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:19,000 per unit um for vehicle parking spaces and 0.5 parking spaces uh vehicle spaces 87 00:09:13,399 --> 00:09:25,160 per unit uh sorry backtrack 0.5 bicycle spaces per unit um for for the bike 88 00:09:22,200 --> 00:09:30,600 standards um however our code does provide what's called an earned um 89 00:09:27,720 --> 00:09:36,519 parking reduction for vehicle parking uh if you provide additional bicycle 90 00:09:33,279 --> 00:09:42,079 parking um on the property which is provided um so providing additional 91 00:09:39,120 --> 00:09:47,480 bicycle amenities with covered bicycle spaces um they are providing uh 92 00:09:44,680 --> 00:09:53,680 ultimately a 10% parking redu vehicle parking reduction um which is authorized 93 00:09:50,399 --> 00:10:00,120 by right in the code um so a total of 54 vehicle parking spaces is provided for 94 00:09:55,839 --> 00:10:04,440 the 28 uh one-bedroom units and 20 for uh uh bicycle parking spaces and as 95 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:10,680 covered bicycle spaces uh in terms of access uh there 96 00:10:07,640 --> 00:10:17,160 would be one vehicle access uh from Von Lane as a driveway uh and then there's 97 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:23,160 parking on both sides of the main Drive aisle access and then it goes into a a 98 00:10:20,279 --> 00:10:28,120 hammerhead Drive AIS um and they have provided the the template that 99 00:10:25,680 --> 00:10:33,519 demonstrates that it meets the the fire turnaround radiuses is uh to be able to 100 00:10:31,279 --> 00:10:37,720 to get a fir Tru in there and then be able to turn around and be able to and 101 00:10:35,519 --> 00:10:46,839 exit the property appropriately um and then in terms of 102 00:10:42,560 --> 00:10:52,760 utilities um there is the um Westside Interceptor uh project that was just 103 00:10:49,079 --> 00:10:57,480 completed at uh fifth in vaugh um before it turns southwards on Fifth um this 104 00:10:55,800 --> 00:11:03,639 property as part of the development would extend the sewer um to and through 105 00:11:00,240 --> 00:11:08,160 this property um there is water already uh along the frontage of this property 106 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:10,680 um and then there is a storm drainage ditch along the front edge of this 107 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:15,320 property that would be able to serve the property as well um and then as part of 108 00:11:13,480 --> 00:11:20,600 the development you can see that there are storm drainage basins that are 109 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:27,800 designed to hold the water on the site um to retain the the natural drainage as 110 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:32,880 well um for offsite improvements for the street um if if you look at the natural 111 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:38,240 development of the area and the the street 112 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:42,760 elevations um the street proposed improvements are are proposed to be 113 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:47,760 deferred so that a larger project can occur um because of the street 114 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:53,079 elevations to the the height of the property um you can't get Street grade 115 00:11:50,240 --> 00:11:59,240 to do half Street improvements um that are would be naturally required for this 116 00:11:55,240 --> 00:12:02,760 type of a project um and so the developer would be required to pay their 117 00:12:00,959 --> 00:12:07,800 fair share as part of those improvements to the city to then do a larger project 118 00:12:05,560 --> 00:12:14,320 of of Street improvements as part of improvements to bond 119 00:12:09,639 --> 00:12:22,920 Lane um in terms of traffic um for analysis of um traffic uh 120 00:12:20,199 --> 00:12:29,399 for the site um there's a Traffic Engineers manual that basically 121 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:40,199 identifies for units like this it's 7.3 to average daily trips uh per day with 122 00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:48,480 0.56 um trips um per unit uh per peak time basically um so that would be 28 uh 123 00:12:44,760 --> 00:12:55,360 sorry 16 peak hour trips and 205 average daily trips um and so per hour 124 00:12:52,680 --> 00:13:01,360 development code and per our engineering review standards um this does increase 125 00:12:58,399 --> 00:13:05,720 traffic on the road Road um Von Lane is identified within our transportation 126 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:14,800 system plan as a minor arterial um and so it is uh intended for 127 00:13:10,399 --> 00:13:19,880 uh traffic of of this uh type um and and so there was no additional traffic 128 00:13:16,800 --> 00:13:23,079 analysis identified as as required um and the system is able to hold that 129 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:29,920 additional traffic so we can move on to next 130 00:13:28,279 --> 00:13:35,920 comment area um as was identified within the agenda 131 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:40,839 packet we did receive some written comments um after the agenda packet was 132 00:13:39,079 --> 00:13:47,600 published we received some additional written comments and so we just wanted 133 00:13:42,639 --> 00:13:53,279 to summarize those um I am not going to be the voice to those comments I want to 134 00:13:50,959 --> 00:13:57,079 um make sure that those uh individuals feel that those written comments are 135 00:13:54,920 --> 00:14:02,120 their voice we have provided those to the Planning Commission um the Planning 136 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:06,399 Commission has had the time to read them um ahead of time um and they have been 137 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:12,120 provided on the Das as well for further review and Analysis um so I am just 138 00:14:09,560 --> 00:14:17,399 simply identifying the main talking points of them as just sort of a 139 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:20,880 refresher for everybody um but I do want to make sure that the public is aware 140 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:25,560 that the full comments have been provided to the Planning 141 00:14:22,639 --> 00:14:33,680 Commission um so for General talking point purposes um the first public was 142 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:40,320 uh identified opposition due to concerns regarding um loss of a neighborhood 143 00:14:36,360 --> 00:14:45,120 atmosphere um the issues regarding the fact that a lot of the properties around 144 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:51,800 the area are on well and that the property could affect the water aquifer 145 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:57,279 um and then increase traffic and loss of natural 146 00:14:53,000 --> 00:15:02,040 viewpoints um generally speaking this property is within the city's Urban 147 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:07,639 growth boundary um per the state of Oregon per the city's growth patterns 148 00:15:05,320 --> 00:15:14,600 the urban growth boundary is intended for urbanization it is for City growth 149 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:21,000 purposes um the city's General uh comprehensive plan and zoning ordinances 150 00:15:18,320 --> 00:15:25,800 identify as residential mixed density that this type of development is 151 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:32,319 intended and and for its purposes um to meet the housing purposes and growth for 152 00:15:28,079 --> 00:15:36,600 the city um and so if the project meets the development code um the 153 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:42,959 comprehensive plan identifies that this is the intended purpose of this area um 154 00:15:39,839 --> 00:15:49,240 and so it's the the purpose and growth of the neighborhood um the water aquifer 155 00:15:46,399 --> 00:15:55,040 this development would connect to the city's water services and the city's 156 00:15:51,720 --> 00:16:02,160 infrastructure um which we pull water from the sou sanum River so it would not 157 00:15:58,199 --> 00:16:07,839 affect the AER in the area um and then increased traffic um yes there will be 158 00:16:04,800 --> 00:16:14,120 an increased traffic the city is growing um but uh that that is the nature of 159 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:20,000 growth um but the the street system does have the capacity to accommodate that 160 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:24,279 growth um for comment number two uh again there was opposition 161 00:16:22,759 --> 00:16:29,639 generally due to the fact that the city's infrastructure can't handle more 162 00:16:26,519 --> 00:16:34,920 apartment development um that is 163 00:16:31,440 --> 00:16:41,519 uh the infrastructure can handle it uh we do have uh Master plans that uh 164 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:47,920 accommodates growth we regularly review those Master plans we have projects uh 165 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:51,720 that we plan regularly and we require developers to pay their fair share 166 00:16:49,800 --> 00:16:56,680 through system development charges to help pay for improvements to the system 167 00:16:54,399 --> 00:17:00,959 to to help pay for the city's growth in the 168 00:16:57,720 --> 00:17:05,039 infrastructure um um public uh opposition comment number three is 169 00:17:03,279 --> 00:17:11,600 concerns about impact of the wells and offers increased traffic and loss of the 170 00:17:07,559 --> 00:17:15,360 small town atmosphere um I think already kind of addressed 171 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:20,640 those um comment number four improvements to Von Lane for pedestrian 172 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:27,880 uh safety and vehicle safety uh addressing flooding and needed 173 00:17:23,959 --> 00:17:34,120 development uh needed as development in the area is increasing so I believe the 174 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:42,240 area of flooding that they're talking about is to the West um by Oak Creek um 175 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:48,320 that is in County jurisdiction um and so 176 00:17:45,039 --> 00:17:52,880 as we continue to grow we'll continue to work with the county and identify areas 177 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:57,960 that need to be improved we we continue to have relationships with them to 178 00:17:55,000 --> 00:18:02,720 identify areas within our um city and urban growth boundary where they need to 179 00:17:59,919 --> 00:18:08,120 to work with us to make improvements um but if there are areas that that are um 180 00:18:06,039 --> 00:18:15,360 of concern we will work with the county to notify them of such um and then 181 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:19,960 improvements on Von Lane as I identified the developer will be uh providing 182 00:18:17,799 --> 00:18:25,080 funding for their Fair Shore portion of any future project on Von Lane to do a 183 00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:32,400 buildout project um uh opposition number five is 184 00:18:29,360 --> 00:18:37,360 very similar um lack of street lights as part of this project uh there is a 185 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:44,080 condition I believe for street lights to be improved um as part of a future 186 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:49,440 project um and then opposition number six uh the neighborhood is single family 187 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:57,000 dwellings and should remain as such um and then concerns for traffic on Bon 188 00:18:52,320 --> 00:19:04,200 Lane um residential mixed density um zoning is that it is mixed density it is 189 00:19:00,799 --> 00:19:10,120 identified that if your property is of a certain size you allowed to build of 190 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:15,200 many different types of housing um and so it is a meant to be a mixture of 191 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:21,799 different opportunities um and if the developer chooses to do um a different 192 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:26,520 type of uh housing than single family um the development code provides that that 193 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:31,200 right to that property same as if the property owner next door had that design 194 00:19:28,720 --> 00:19:38,760 desire to do so as well and then finally um comment number 195 00:19:35,559 --> 00:19:46,080 seven was concerns about traffic safety um at vau and main streets um and I 196 00:19:42,360 --> 00:19:50,280 think I would turn that over to Ron to extrapolate on anything further yeah so 197 00:19:48,320 --> 00:19:56,919 we've had a lot of complaints about that intersection biggest complaint is not 198 00:19:52,520 --> 00:20:01,080 having uh visual to pull out um we've actually gone back after the project and 199 00:19:58,919 --> 00:20:05,480 looked at that and it does meet uh ashto requirements for safe stopping distance 200 00:20:03,360 --> 00:20:10,640 and safe sight distance while those requirements are met I think what's 201 00:20:07,039 --> 00:20:15,320 confusing for most drivers is yes you cannot see where you need to go from 202 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:19,280 behind the crosswalk which is pretty standard of most intersections that we 203 00:20:17,039 --> 00:20:22,840 have throughout town uh the idea here and it's even in the Oregon driver's 204 00:20:20,679 --> 00:20:26,600 manual is that you stop the crosswalk check for pedestrians and then you move 205 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:31,080 forward uh and that's typical of most of our intersections if you really stop and 206 00:20:28,159 --> 00:20:34,880 think about it where access ramps are um it it doesn't even have to be a an 207 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:39,480 intersection with crosswalks and if you look at where our stop bars are at so it 208 00:20:37,159 --> 00:20:43,799 does meet the standards uh it's it just feels different I think because you've 209 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:49,640 got a three-story apartment there and uh but all in all it functions um and I you 210 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:52,720 know there's not much else to say about it other than it does function and we've 211 00:20:51,320 --> 00:20:59,679 gone back and looked at it twice we've had it surveyed and to make sure and uh 212 00:20:55,440 --> 00:20:59,679 we do meet all those ashto requirements 213 00:21:01,080 --> 00:21:10,400 so I think with uh that that would conclude the summary of the project um 214 00:21:07,919 --> 00:21:15,240 and the summary of the written comments uh and we'll conclude staff's report and 215 00:21:12,520 --> 00:21:15,240 answer any 216 00:21:16,279 --> 00:21:20,200 questions any questions for 217 00:21:23,279 --> 00:21:29,960 Kelly Kelly I'm going to assume since it meets the open space requirement they're 218 00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:36,120 not going to do any Wetlands mitigation even though Wetlands exist so the 219 00:21:32,799 --> 00:21:40,400 wetlands mitigation would occur uh can you see my cursor within the areas that 220 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:48,440 buildings overlap um the area um and then there 221 00:21:44,120 --> 00:21:52,760 might be some areas uh in the open space I have I don't have the exact map that 222 00:21:50,840 --> 00:22:00,880 they might do a little bit in the open space uh area itself um but only in the 223 00:21:56,320 --> 00:22:04,200 areas that that are identified as um the building area I believe is where they 224 00:22:02,279 --> 00:22:08,919 would be doing the mitigation but they do meet the the open space requirements 225 00:22:06,559 --> 00:22:14,200 in the Blue Area itself to where they might not need to and our development 226 00:22:10,919 --> 00:22:21,559 code does say that 20% of wetland areas can also count towards open space um so 227 00:22:17,799 --> 00:22:26,760 they they don't necessarily have to okay any other questions I had a 228 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:31,240 question do you have another one I do oh go ahead well it's just for onon when I 229 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:36,360 realize they're going to pay for Street improvements when they come but 230 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:40,640 postponing those with the new development what is that going to have 231 00:22:38,679 --> 00:22:44,400 any kind of impact or what would that look 232 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:49,240 like so when you say impact what do you mean well you have all this uh more 233 00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:51,880 traffic on the road that already exists and they're paying should be paying for 234 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:57,880 Street improvements that are going to come at some point but not doing those 235 00:22:55,799 --> 00:23:00,919 with the development I'm a little concerned about that that's all going to 236 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:04,559 sh sure sure so so if you think about their lot Frontage out there and you 237 00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:08,440 think about that's a county standard Road as it sits today uh I've looked at 238 00:23:07,039 --> 00:23:12,840 it and you're probably looking at about two foot of elevation drop in order to 239 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:20,880 make that a city standard street so to try and build a Half street in 240 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:24,240 that and widen it um it can be done but it actually probably creates more of a 241 00:23:22,480 --> 00:23:27,679 safety hazard for drivers than anything else because you're you're taper and 242 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:31,559 you're drop you're dropping down and to try and match that all up cuz all we can 243 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:36,000 condition is the half Street on their side so that was the reason for the 244 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:43,400 deferral if you're starting this at an intersection it's a little bit easier to 245 00:23:38,440 --> 00:23:48,720 start into it but to try and hit grades Midstream and the block is it's it's 246 00:23:46,039 --> 00:23:53,240 really tough uh Walker Road's a prime example of that where we did that and uh 247 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:57,400 we tried to save some of the stuff that they've done back and forth and and it 248 00:23:55,840 --> 00:24:02,640 couldn't be done we ended up taking it all out and redoing doing it all again 249 00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:05,960 so this is this is the response to this um we know at some point Von Lane's 250 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:10,320 going to have to be rebuilt uh it's in the SDC plans and okay it's just a 251 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:14,440 matter of getting into it but I think that's does that answer your question 252 00:24:11,679 --> 00:24:18,320 yes it okay and that was going to be my question too is sort of could you help 253 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:24,279 us understand what triggers the road Improvement as far as 254 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:29,360 like in the future I mean as tra as it begins to develop you know I said 255 00:24:27,360 --> 00:24:34,640 ultimately we want to see development pay for this right so rather than using 256 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:39,279 what little Street funds we have or resources that we have we would like to 257 00:24:36,799 --> 00:24:44,559 see development pay for this now timing May dictate that we have to step in at 258 00:24:41,360 --> 00:24:49,080 some point and do that uh we pushed all of our traffic when we had Walker Road 259 00:24:46,360 --> 00:24:52,159 closed down to bond Lane um yeah it increase the traffic but if you think 260 00:24:50,559 --> 00:24:56,679 about all the the traffic that uses Walker Road and you push that all down 261 00:24:54,520 --> 00:25:03,120 to Von Lane and South Main we made that work and there's going to be less than 262 00:24:59,279 --> 00:25:07,760 that here uh so is there a trigger there probably should be but 263 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:10,720 it's going to come down to resources uh you know and how soon that happens 264 00:25:09,320 --> 00:25:15,320 because right now the city doesn't have enough money to fund the improvements uh 265 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:21,039 you know even with what they're they're they're doing here so just to clarify 266 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:25,960 will or will not there be a sidewalk there will not be a sidewalk no on this 267 00:25:23,799 --> 00:25:29,279 on this portion right here there will be in the future yes we will tie it all 268 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:33,080 together as more of the properties along the road 269 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:38,360 are annexed and development again it comes back to we can put a sidewalk out 270 00:25:35,760 --> 00:25:42,360 there um it's really a sidewalk to Nowhere at this point yeah and you'd 271 00:25:40,159 --> 00:25:45,840 have to tear it back up and and most likely yeah it's going to come back 272 00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:50,840 up okay any other 273 00:25:51,399 --> 00:25:57,840 questions hearing none then we will open the public testimony portion of our 274 00:25:55,399 --> 00:26:02,720 hearing and invite the applicant or the applicant representative to come forward 275 00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:05,559 sign in state your names please I guess you've already signed 276 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:19,880 in okay good evening um my name is Laura Lor rock with Udell engineering and 277 00:26:16,760 --> 00:26:24,240 joining me today is Andrew rape um civil engineering questions can be directed 278 00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:27,799 towards Andrew so as always I say this every time but Kelly does such a great 279 00:26:25,919 --> 00:26:33,679 overview there's not too much more for me to add to the presentation um so I'll 280 00:26:30,919 --> 00:26:38,600 just briefly recap The Proposal um so again you have almost a two just under a 281 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:45,360 2 Acre Site proposed for development is a 28 unit one-bedroom apartments it's 282 00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:49,960 going to be a lowrise development um so less than two stories likely just one 283 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:53,880 majority of the site does have delineated Wetlands on it and many of 284 00:26:52,399 --> 00:26:58,520 that Wetland area is going to be set aside and preserved and going to be open 285 00:26:55,760 --> 00:27:04,600 space um for the the residents of this site um parking is um asked to be a 286 00:27:01,799 --> 00:27:08,960 reduction however um if you calculate it it's almost two parking spaces per one 287 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:14,520 bedroom unit so there's sufficient parking for the site um access um to the 288 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:19,200 high volume roadway is always encouraged to be single access and that's what's 289 00:27:16,520 --> 00:27:23,000 proposed here um and all the development code standards in terms of flock 290 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:28,520 coverage and setback and things of those nature are met um so I'll be very brief 291 00:27:26,279 --> 00:27:32,399 today and hand it over to Andrew to just give a quick overview of Public 292 00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:32,399 Utilities and 293 00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:41,080 drainage yeah thank you Laura so just to recap what Kelly already said a lot of 294 00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:45,720 the utilities are already available in vaugh uh with the exception of um the 295 00:27:44,159 --> 00:27:50,240 sewer line which is at the intersection of South Fifth and vaugh so the 296 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:54,960 applicant will be installing a new main from that intersection across the front 297 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:58,720 edge of this site uh water will be coming from a existing Main in mon in 298 00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:03,440 vaugh and we'll be installing a new fire 299 00:28:00,559 --> 00:28:09,640 hydrant in vaugh to serve the site and then storm drain will be discharging uh 300 00:28:06,519 --> 00:28:14,519 into the southwest corner of the site uh to an existing ditch that's running 301 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,519 along the South 302 00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:21,399 border we are here primarily just to answer any questions so is there 303 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:26,519 anything that we can answer for you terms of site design or use yeah from 304 00:28:24,679 --> 00:28:32,679 what I understand you're going to drain that wet land towards Joy Street into 305 00:28:30,159 --> 00:28:37,519 that drainage ditch so they're going to create an improved surface so any sort 306 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:41,440 of parking area and building area is going to have um be drained and I 307 00:28:39,799 --> 00:28:45,840 shouldn't speak for Andrew because he's here so I'll let him finish yeah for the 308 00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:49,960 portion of the wetlands that will be disturbed they'll be capturing the run 309 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:57,240 off and running it to the South and it'll end up meeting that ditch and joy 310 00:28:52,960 --> 00:29:04,039 you know I like to visualize things so you know that's that's I'm asking I've 311 00:28:59,600 --> 00:29:09,559 driven by there before in the winter and seen a lake out there in that area so it 312 00:29:06,919 --> 00:29:13,799 does get quite a bit of water buildt up and part of the improvements will be 313 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:18,440 cleaning up that roadside ditch a lot of times they become plugged over time with 314 00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:22,159 sediment and vegetation so part of this project will be clearing out some of 315 00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:26,640 that if any of that has occurred in that area now that ditch to the South that 316 00:29:24,679 --> 00:29:30,360 you're going to be draining into just looking at it it looks to be maybe 3 or 317 00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:34,720 4T deep are you going to have to change 318 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:41,480 that in order to drain everything out of that parking lot and that Wetland into 319 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:49,240 that is it you know just looking at it visualizing it looks like it's going 320 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:53,080 uphill yeah I guess one clarification is wetland wouldn't be drained necessarily 321 00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:56,960 across the site so the storm water retention and drainage is going to be 322 00:29:54,720 --> 00:30:02,559 anything that's created as impervious surface so pay building area things like 323 00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:06,120 that um preserving the wetlands allows those areas to function naturally so 324 00:30:04,440 --> 00:30:11,080 there's going to be some sort of um water retention in those natural areas 325 00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:16,240 and then the rest of the site that's being improved um that would be 326 00:30:13,519 --> 00:30:21,159 addressed through grading on site and detention and possibly treatment in 327 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:25,679 terms of the Calver um this is a preliminary planning approval so once we 328 00:30:23,159 --> 00:30:29,480 get to the next stage in development there'll be more engineering that has 329 00:30:27,399 --> 00:30:33,799 occurred and we'll take a closer look at those elevations and solutions for those 330 00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:38,640 if they're needed 331 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:46,399 um I don't know if you're able to answer this question or not but I'd like to ask 332 00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:52,320 about the Builder's intent as to Future changes or what their target occupancy 333 00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:58,000 is are they targeting you know because they're one-bedroom apartments are they 334 00:30:54,039 --> 00:31:01,000 targeting um uh elderly people for occupants 335 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:07,279 or um and the second part question is and 336 00:31:05,159 --> 00:31:12,320 this has happened before is a builder will come in and say I'd like to do this 337 00:31:10,799 --> 00:31:17,880 and then he comes in six months later and he says I want to change this to 338 00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:23,039 that so the Builder that you're representing would they are they likely 339 00:31:20,679 --> 00:31:26,960 to come back and ask for changes yeah to answer that kind of 340 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:30,799 two-part question so the owner is present in the room today today and I'll 341 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:35,960 I'll briefly address your question if he has anything to fill in I can ask him to 342 00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:40,120 come up um but um Mr wh he's the property owner and he will be the 343 00:31:37,399 --> 00:31:44,720 developer as well um I can say that he spent a considerable amount of time um 344 00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:49,639 researching projects um to be able to build something like this uh in the 345 00:31:47,039 --> 00:31:54,840 immediate area he spent um considerable time on this particular site um and he 346 00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:59,399 is very mindful about what he's going to be constructing he wants it to be 347 00:31:56,720 --> 00:32:04,080 something that's affordable to the broad population um and he didn't want it to 348 00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:07,519 be high density as what could have been developed on this site so he's very 349 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:12,720 mindful about keeping the construction cost down which trickles down to keeping 350 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:18,399 the rents lower and um affordable for a wider range of public in terms of tenant 351 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:25,639 restrictions I have not heard any um any to a specific population group answer 352 00:32:22,639 --> 00:32:25,639 that 353 00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:41,559 uh about a year ago I sat in this room and listen to you guys uh discuss the 354 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:47,720 need for housing and the the lower portion of the housing is um or the the 355 00:32:45,399 --> 00:32:54,279 more affordable housing units were one of the things that had a higher need and 356 00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:58,360 and less actual apartments or homes being built so I'm I'm trying to address 357 00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:05,639 that calculated need and I I do have a target 358 00:33:01,679 --> 00:33:11,639 market um of older individuals on fixed incomes but I can't just rent to those 359 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:18,919 um and I don't plan on any age restrictions but um my entire uh that's 360 00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:24,240 why we're not doing a two-story or three-story apartment building because I 361 00:33:21,559 --> 00:33:29,200 hate those giant boxes I really do they're more profitable but um they 362 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:37,480 don't add to any Community value and it doesn't address the need for 363 00:33:33,679 --> 00:33:43,399 um uh the Lower Side of the housing the lower cost housing for the record could 364 00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:45,559 you state your name please Braden wayy thank 365 00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:56,880 you you live here in town Braden uh yeah I graduated from lemon High School in 366 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:56,880 2005 and I was born here 367 00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:06,080 it's not too often somebody sits before us with a project that's that's from 368 00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:12,200 here or lives oh gotcha home Crown is that what you said 369 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:18,159 yes no okay any other questions for the applicant that'll come in due 370 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:20,520 time any other questions from the Planning 371 00:34:20,599 --> 00:34:30,879 Commission okay thank you okay so our Our Testimony portion is 372 00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:36,280 divided into three segments first we have the applicant which we just heard 373 00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:42,040 from then we will take testimony in as approving or in favor of I should say of 374 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:46,320 the application then finally we will do testimony in 375 00:34:43,839 --> 00:34:51,359 opposition um once the opposition is completed if the applicant wishes to do 376 00:34:48,839 --> 00:34:56,679 a rebuttal they can then that would close the public testimony so following 377 00:34:54,119 --> 00:35:02,040 that prescription then is there anybody with us that wishes to speak in favor of 378 00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,040 the 379 00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:11,280 application seeing no movement then we would open up to anybody that wish to 380 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:15,680 speak in opposition of the application okay come forward uh if 381 00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:20,920 you've not already signed in please do so and state your name have a question 382 00:35:18,839 --> 00:35:26,240 that's okay come to the mic question is if it's one-bedroom 383 00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:30,320 apartment why do they need a playr could you state your name 384 00:35:35,160 --> 00:35:42,760 please okay so your question is not I'm not opposed I think it's a wonderful 385 00:35:40,320 --> 00:35:42,760 idea to 386 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:49,599 have Boris I'm sorry to bug you but can you speak in the microphone so we can 387 00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:53,839 catch it for minute purpos I'm not opposed I think it's a 388 00:35:52,040 --> 00:35:57,280 great idea and have it low like that but I'm just concerned if there are 389 00:35:55,240 --> 00:35:59,599 one-bedroom apartments and they B playground around where they going to 390 00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:04,599 put the children okay we can have the applicant 391 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:04,599 address 392 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:12,599 that uh any other testimony and opposition of the application okay come 393 00:36:10,319 --> 00:36:16,000 forward if you're not already signed in please do so and state your 394 00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:23,839 name um I'm merth lenford I actually live on Von Lane where South fif comes 395 00:36:21,319 --> 00:36:29,040 and the traffic there is so horrendous and I I think that's my biggest concern 396 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:35,319 is the traffic people just run down that street they go screaming down that 397 00:36:30,560 --> 00:36:41,160 street and um about last year I think early last year I or maybe even this 398 00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:45,040 year I contacted the city and I said hey could you maybe could we do something 399 00:36:43,200 --> 00:36:50,640 about lowering the speed limit on there because almost almost where um Chuck 400 00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:54,599 lives uh right next to where this property is going to be the speed Lim is 401 00:36:52,359 --> 00:36:59,400 40 and there's nowhere to get off the street and U it's it's a dangerous 402 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:03,480 Street to walk on and so I I don't have any opposition particularly but I'm 403 00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:07,359 really worried about that traffic it's going to if I don't know if the city 404 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:11,880 could just lower the speed limit and things would be better that that's 405 00:37:09,720 --> 00:37:14,839 probably a really good option I think and try and and you know the the kids 406 00:37:13,720 --> 00:37:18,760 that go up to school there this Christian School up on the hill this 407 00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:22,599 time of year we're just people are coming in and out so much it's really 408 00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:26,960 hard for me to even get out my driveway but again that's my problem I lived 409 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:33,480 there for 29 years it's okay but I am concerned about more a lot more traffic 410 00:37:29,920 --> 00:37:39,119 there okay thank you Meredith what is the posted speed limit there right now 411 00:37:35,720 --> 00:37:42,200 40 yeah I drove by just to make sure because I think when we're coming off 412 00:37:40,319 --> 00:37:48,079 second you know we're coming to the Sanam school is a Sanam um the school 413 00:37:45,800 --> 00:37:53,359 district is 20 no Sandridge I mean yeah so it's 20 and then it goes to 25 I 414 00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:58,280 think and then then it starts to go to 35 after it gets I think after it goes 415 00:37:56,400 --> 00:38:03,520 past vaugh and then I'm not really sure when you first turn around V where that 416 00:38:01,240 --> 00:38:08,680 what that speed limit is right there from South Main to vaugh but then again 417 00:38:06,079 --> 00:38:14,079 at 40 it goes 40 just almost in front of where the subd development is going to 418 00:38:10,079 --> 00:38:17,560 be going Kelly what is the criteria for setting a speed limit on the street like 419 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:23,599 blond ltic question to ask 420 00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:29,720 not wrong okay so so there's there's quite a 421 00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:34,920 process no a portion of its City a portion of its County so really what you 422 00:38:31,800 --> 00:38:40,520 have to is is you have to uh you have to do a speed study so you 423 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:45,400 go out do a speed study um I think we've done speed studies on Von Lane before 424 00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:49,640 and what we've come back with is your it it's changed a little bit used 425 00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:54,480 to be the 85th percentile now I think it's the 50th percentile uh basically 426 00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:58,960 that's what your speed limit is set to what 50% I think it's 50% of your your 427 00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:03,400 motorists are traveling is what your speed limit is set at so then you've got 428 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:08,880 some that are Under and Over um what we found is that it was posted within the 429 00:39:06,720 --> 00:39:12,480 speed limit that met most of the traffic and most drivers will drive at a speed 430 00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:15,520 that's comfortable for the road conditions and that's that's how they 431 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:20,079 set the speed limit that's not to say that we can't look at it again but it's 432 00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:23,640 not going to guarantee that people are going to slow down yeah and I know 433 00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:27,520 that's what we find they did put that sign they did put that speed check there 434 00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:30,760 for a while but you know the other day stand by my garbage can some guy's 435 00:39:29,079 --> 00:39:33,079 coming down the street he's going up and down the street really really one of 436 00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:38,440 these cars and I stood there and they went 437 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:42,680 with my neighbor I went like that and he just spit up as fast as he could I'm 438 00:39:41,000 --> 00:39:46,440 thinking yeah sure why are you doing that but you know we have a lot of 439 00:39:44,119 --> 00:39:49,640 people that do that kind of thing and so when you're talking about the bikes 440 00:39:48,240 --> 00:39:55,280 there's not going to be there's no room for bikes to be you might be wasting 441 00:39:51,880 --> 00:39:59,920 your time to put in bike bike uh parking because there's no room for bikes on the 442 00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:04,920 on that road Road at all now yeah it it's dangerous for for the speed I mean 443 00:40:02,599 --> 00:40:09,880 it becomes an Enforcement issue right so if people are aren't driving the speed 444 00:40:07,839 --> 00:40:14,400 limit or driving recklessly then it's an Enforcement issue and sometimes lowering 445 00:40:12,359 --> 00:40:17,760 the speed limit is not quite the answer I mean it seems like the answer but if 446 00:40:16,119 --> 00:40:21,079 people are driving it at a comfortable speed that's not going to change their 447 00:40:19,079 --> 00:40:27,040 habits until they get a ticket of course but until we have police officer on 448 00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:30,720 every street we run into this a lot and sh fifth even when they they used to 449 00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:35,920 come down South Fifth just tearing down there and I've had three three people in 450 00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:42,000 my yard actually over the years and they put street light up up on the corner 451 00:40:39,319 --> 00:40:46,560 there and then not too long ago somebody went speeding around the corner and they 452 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:53,400 took out the the light on the the power pole on South Fifth so that's my only 453 00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:57,520 gripe well we'll continue to monitor we're we're constantly monitoring speed 454 00:40:55,280 --> 00:41:02,400 on streets and we we'll continue to do so and we have to throw out tax out on 455 00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:07,240 the road right I don't do that cuz I'll probably be the get one to get the flat 456 00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:09,760 tire yeah we'll continue to monitor that all right thank 457 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:16,440 you all right anybody else wishing to speak in 458 00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:23,280 opposition all right seeing none then we will turn it back to the applicant or 459 00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:23,280 applicants 460 00:41:26,240 --> 00:41:32,960 representative thank you so the question I heard was um why is there a children's 461 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:36,920 play area if it's one bedroom units uh questions that Kelly and I have talked 462 00:41:34,359 --> 00:41:41,520 about before um so this is a development code standard the development code 463 00:41:39,119 --> 00:41:45,720 states that multif family development with eight or more units needs to 464 00:41:43,319 --> 00:41:49,680 provide a children's play area uh doesn't stipulate about bedrooms so this 465 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:54,440 would be a possible code amendment in the future to address this um because 466 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:59,480 it's not likely that childrens would use such a facility if it is only one 467 00:41:56,599 --> 00:42:04,400 bedroom typically that's just one adult um what has occurred in other situations 468 00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:09,319 around town is that what is considered a children's play area is widely defined 469 00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:14,400 um and types of improvements can be modified per development um so onless 470 00:42:12,319 --> 00:42:18,400 there is an area for a children's play area to be developed um alternatively it 471 00:42:16,359 --> 00:42:25,280 could contain things like a barbecue pits or some more adult um amenities for 472 00:42:22,119 --> 00:42:29,119 the site that would be better utilized all right any final 473 00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:36,720 questions all right thank you thank you and with that we will close the public 474 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:41,040 testimony portion of our hearing all further discussion will be among staff 475 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,040 and planning 476 00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,960 Commissioners okay what are you 477 00:42:46,960 --> 00:42:55,040 thinking um I'd just like to say that uh I I really appreciate the uh uh 478 00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:59,880 developer being present in person um also really appre appreciate 479 00:42:57,760 --> 00:43:08,640 the um local aspect um and the consideration of not 480 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:13,040 trying to milk every last commercial Penny available out of the property and 481 00:43:11,240 --> 00:43:21,720 being mindful about the community um I I am very appreciative to 482 00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:29,520 to hear those kinds of things and um also want to make note of the fact that 483 00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:38,880 um The Proposal is directly in alignment with uh existing Provisions within the 484 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:45,960 code uh not seeking uh you know um uh variances or or or anything like that 485 00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:51,079 um to me this has a very different feel than a a 486 00:43:48,520 --> 00:43:56,760 um previous development that came through uh the planning Planning 487 00:43:52,960 --> 00:44:01,960 Commission uh there uh at Crowfoot and we had many people out there that were 488 00:43:59,040 --> 00:44:09,079 unhappy and and present and vocal about it um and I I feel very good about uh 489 00:44:07,160 --> 00:44:16,760 what's what's been proposed here today okay thank 490 00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:16,760 you uh any other questions 491 00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:24,280 comments then let me ask the commission do you feel that the criteria in this 492 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:31,480 application has been met yes okay see heads nod positively 493 00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:31,480 any other 494 00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:39,160 concerns all right is anybody prepared to make a motion I'll make a motion I 495 00:44:37,800 --> 00:44:43,119 move that the Planning Commission approve the proposed administrative 496 00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:47,720 review AR 24-5 adopting the written findings 497 00:44:46,040 --> 00:44:51,720 contained in the staff Report with the development conditions and direct the 498 00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:55,400 staff to draft an order of decision incorporating the findings and 499 00:44:53,200 --> 00:45:01,040 conditions of the approval okay it's been motion and 500 00:44:57,760 --> 00:45:01,040 seconded any further 501 00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:10,200 discussion okay all those then in favor of the motion please say I I and those 502 00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:16,160 opposed motion carries unanimously okay thank 503 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:23,079 you uh moving on to our second public hearing uh sday 504 00:45:19,559 --> 00:45:29,480 2404 again ask if there's any conflict of interest exp party contact or bias 505 00:45:25,440 --> 00:45:36,119 that the Planning Commission needs to disclose I live near this development as 506 00:45:33,720 --> 00:45:40,079 well it's still not a it's still not a conf still not a I mean I I no bu Mr 507 00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:44,720 chairman I still do have to unfortunately read the certain 508 00:45:42,119 --> 00:45:48,520 Provisions into the record uh testim this will be pursuant to quasa judicial 509 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:51,920 hearing procedures testimony may be in oral or written form but must be 510 00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:55,400 directed towards a criteria the comprehensive plan are the city's land 511 00:45:53,359 --> 00:45:58,280 use regulations any issue raised must be accompanied by statements and evidence 512 00:45:56,760 --> 00:46:01,680 of efficient to allow the commission and parties an opportunity to respond please 513 00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:04,680 note the failure to raise an issue including constitutional issues by the 514 00:46:03,280 --> 00:46:08,319 close of the hearing will prevent any appeal to the land use board of appeals 515 00:46:06,680 --> 00:46:14,760 please recognize that my requirement to read this is by Statute and not by 516 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,760 choice okay thank 517 00:46:14,920 --> 00:46:20,480 you you just saying that so that we're paying attention yeah I wanted to see if 518 00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:24,640 anybody giggled he's just feeling really spunky tonight practicing for a 519 00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:29,000 commercial it sounded like I was reading it right 520 00:46:27,359 --> 00:46:34,160 um all right we've already established no export contact conflict of interest 521 00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:40,760 or bias and we will turn it over staff for staff report thank you sir uh this 522 00:46:38,640 --> 00:46:47,599 uh proposal should look somewhat familiar for uh everybody here I think 523 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:54,520 um this is a development proposal for a property at the northwest corner of 524 00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:59,800 South Fifth and Joy Street um the zoning is residential mixed density it is 525 00:46:57,079 --> 00:47:05,800 surrounded by properties within the city and within the county um all either 526 00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:10,160 designated within the zoning code or within the comprehensive plan as 527 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:15,800 residential mixed density and uh surrounded by um either vacant 528 00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:21,359 properties uh properties that are uh improved with single family homes or now 529 00:47:18,640 --> 00:47:30,880 recently approved for an apartment development um The 530 00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:40,040 Proposal is to modify or uh obtain a new uh subdivision plan um back in 531 00:47:35,240 --> 00:47:45,559 2022 or 23 one of those two um the Planning Commission approved this 532 00:47:41,839 --> 00:47:53,119 property for a 22 lot subdivision um and that was for a duplex 533 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:59,520 development um now the same developer and property owner um is proposing a 35 534 00:47:56,640 --> 00:48:04,520 l lot subdivision um and based off of The Narrative it is a um understanding 535 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:10,119 with the traffic analysis that was provided that the general intention is 536 00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:15,000 to provide single family homes um however it's important to note that 537 00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:19,559 based off of House Bill 2001 uh any property that we do approve for a um 538 00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:26,240 single family home is also eligible for a duplex as well um but uh from the 539 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:29,559 small Lots the these lots have been uh indicated 540 00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:36,680 to intend for single family homes based off of The Narrative um the lots that 541 00:48:32,559 --> 00:48:44,000 are proposed are between 5,5 square feet uh to 7, uh 29 square F feet um and they 542 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:50,520 maintain at least a minimum of uh 50 feet in width each uh meeting those uh 543 00:48:47,079 --> 00:48:55,640 minimum requirements for a lot size to meet the single family home uh lot 544 00:48:53,960 --> 00:49:00,280 requirements within the residential mixed density Zone 545 00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:06,040 um the access requirements and improvements uh are exactly the same in 546 00:49:03,119 --> 00:49:12,240 terms of public Street improvements for uh the subdivision uh new access would 547 00:49:08,720 --> 00:49:19,200 be provided off of Fifth Street in uh the creation of a new public Street um 548 00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:26,079 which would then turn into a little mini caac and then down and turn into Kingdom 549 00:49:22,119 --> 00:49:32,920 drive and connect to uh Joy Street um and then to access the properties to the 550 00:49:29,119 --> 00:49:39,000 east is a proposal to provide a private Street um which has a maximum of 16 551 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:45,359 units that would be eligible to be built off of the private Street um so even if 552 00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:50,160 um some duplexes are proposed for the property um that does restrict um the 553 00:49:48,559 --> 00:49:55,240 number of duplexes that could be combined within on this uh private 554 00:49:52,599 --> 00:49:59,680 Street um or it could be single family homes um where with some accessory 555 00:49:57,480 --> 00:50:08,960 dwelling units as well um in terms of roadway improvements 556 00:50:05,319 --> 00:50:13,280 uh as well on Joy Street as part of The Proposal improvements would also be 557 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:19,319 included to require what's uh called a full Street Improvement is um we 558 00:50:16,880 --> 00:50:23,960 wouldn't be including uh sidewalks and curbing gutter because of the drainage 559 00:50:21,799 --> 00:50:29,920 ditch that's there um as our maintenance crews are still requiring um to be able 560 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:34,760 to maintain that drainage ditch um but uh four feet of additional pavement 561 00:50:31,799 --> 00:50:39,559 would be provided on Joy Street which would actually open up uh Joy Street to 562 00:50:36,960 --> 00:50:43,760 be able to provide parking uh on one side of the street um and so that would 563 00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:52,480 actually provide a parking Improvement to uh the neighborhood as well um in 564 00:50:47,480 --> 00:51:00,599 terms of uh traffic considerations uh since we're on road conditions as well 565 00:50:55,319 --> 00:51:08,480 um for single family homes uh there is a traffic count requirement of somewhere 566 00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:14,799 around get to it have that paper in front of 567 00:51:11,799 --> 00:51:14,799 me 568 00:51:15,760 --> 00:51:27,119 um 9.34 vehicles per day um and uh .94 trips uh per uh Peak PM traffic hour um 569 00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:34,280 and with 30 Lots uh that would equates to 330 trips 570 00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:39,559 per day um and so our development code does identify that we may trigger a 571 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:46,040 traffic impact analysis for a a project that could equat to trips per day of 572 00:51:41,839 --> 00:51:52,160 that size um however we did look at um the roadway uh system in this area um 573 00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:56,960 and all of the intersections in this area and they are all already improved 574 00:51:54,880 --> 00:52:03,359 and appropriately metered with stop signs um and uh the the roads are 575 00:52:00,799 --> 00:52:11,359 improved with the appropriate um amount of lanes um and improvements and so a 576 00:52:08,119 --> 00:52:17,160 traffic impact analysis would not have uh metered any additional mitigation 577 00:52:14,319 --> 00:52:22,160 measures out of it um and so it was determined that no additional analysis 578 00:52:19,079 --> 00:52:33,200 was needed um for a traffic at this point um we do have uh 579 00:52:27,240 --> 00:52:38,119 an added condition um that we we are um proposing uh that would uh clarify that 580 00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:44,520 additional stop signs as part of the subdivision would be required um the 581 00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:50,599 just to clarify that that is a Improvement as part of the subdivision 582 00:52:47,000 --> 00:52:55,079 um so we do have a modified uh Motion in front of you to to consider uh that 583 00:52:53,000 --> 00:53:00,720 would just clarify that stop signs would be required for the intersection of 584 00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:06,839 Fifth and the new public Street um joy and the new public Street and then also 585 00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:12,599 the the private Street and the new public streets to make sure that that 586 00:53:08,839 --> 00:53:19,000 traffic pattern is also uh metered appropriately um in terms of utility 587 00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:24,319 extensions uh there's the Westside Interceptor was recently pulled through 588 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:29,520 uh this section of fist Street um and so now uh the uh sewer would be extended 589 00:53:27,880 --> 00:53:34,079 through the new public Street and then connected down to Joy um water utility 590 00:53:32,640 --> 00:53:41,440 would also be extended through the new public Street as well as storm drainage 591 00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:47,520 um and then uh private uh utilities would be extended through the um private 592 00:53:44,079 --> 00:53:52,280 Street to service those lots uh along that 593 00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:57,599 Corridor um we would also maintain the private uh ditch uh sorry the storm 594 00:53:55,280 --> 00:54:02,760 drainage ditch um on the south side of the property is along Joy um and so that 595 00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:08,400 means we would also be maintaining the easements on the south side of the 596 00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:13,720 property um one change from the previous consideration of this is we did go back 597 00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:19,599 and evaluate the size of the easement that was required for this prop for this 598 00:54:16,319 --> 00:54:25,040 easement um for maintenance purposes um and instead of the um size that we 599 00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:29,480 currently have uh we can reduce it down to a 20 foot easement 600 00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:34,880 um and so that is what is currently um proposed as part of the subdivision plan 601 00:54:31,440 --> 00:54:41,359 and so that would give uh 7 feet of additional land back to the property um 602 00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:46,880 for use and enjoyment as well um and there are um as with the previous uh 603 00:54:44,720 --> 00:54:53,119 development as well there are wetlands on this site uh that would be uh 604 00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:59,359 proposed to be um delineated and then mitigated uh for the development to the 605 00:54:55,319 --> 00:55:06,599 private streets and and uh future development um we did receive written 606 00:55:03,119 --> 00:55:13,440 public comments for this project as well um we received a letter of opposition um 607 00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:18,440 for the development that generally again caveat I am not speaking for the 608 00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:23,920 individuals um you did receive these comments ahead of time um and so just a 609 00:55:21,839 --> 00:55:27,960 a sum not even a summary but just general comment points are being 610 00:55:25,480 --> 00:55:32,680 provided um um but commission had time to fully review the 611 00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:37,839 comments um but for the the first public comment the opposition was generally um 612 00:55:35,640 --> 00:55:44,599 the desire to maintain the approval at the smaller number of lots um and that 613 00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:49,760 uh we are already um strapped in terms of police and fire capacity and instead 614 00:55:47,480 --> 00:55:55,680 of this development they'd rather see a new grocery store uh built somewhere 615 00:55:52,160 --> 00:56:02,240 else in town um I cannot speak for the fire district RCT they are a separate 616 00:55:57,480 --> 00:56:07,480 entity than the Lebanon um and for the the police department um we provide 617 00:56:04,720 --> 00:56:12,359 services with our Police Department um we are constantly striving to provide 618 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:19,160 the best service we possibly can um and we continue to provide that service um 619 00:56:14,799 --> 00:56:27,240 to our community uh so was uh um for comment number two um this did 620 00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:32,119 not identify opposition or uh in favor it was mostly just asking 621 00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:38,359 questions um in the comments that were provided you also saw a dialogue um with 622 00:56:35,280 --> 00:56:43,799 myself where I answered those questions um but it asked questions regarding the 623 00:56:41,079 --> 00:56:48,920 Joy Street roadway parking and sidewalk improvements which I I summarized in my 624 00:56:46,559 --> 00:56:54,760 presentation it asked about building Heights and occupancy um the building 625 00:56:53,039 --> 00:57:02,000 height maximum within the residential mixed density uh zone is 40 feet um that 626 00:56:59,280 --> 00:57:08,520 is for three generally a three-story dwelling um these are intended for um 627 00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:12,160 single family homes or duplexes which generally speaking within the city have 628 00:57:10,119 --> 00:57:19,359 been built as single story or twostory homes um which um is the norm however 629 00:57:17,119 --> 00:57:25,039 they are allowed to be built up to 40 feet uh if the developer so 630 00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:30,680 chose um in terms of occupancy they were asking whether or not they were going to 631 00:57:26,240 --> 00:57:36,839 be renter own or um rented or own owner occupied I would leave that up to the 632 00:57:33,319 --> 00:57:43,119 applicant to answer um they asked about traffic impacts uh I have spoke about 633 00:57:40,440 --> 00:57:48,039 that already and then in terms of street lights they asked uh if street lights 634 00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:53,520 were going to be provided and if so if they can be uh informed about where 635 00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:58,119 exactly they were going to be provided um yes street lights will be provided as 636 00:57:55,920 --> 00:58:02,680 part part of this development uh the exact location will be determined uh 637 00:58:00,799 --> 00:58:07,319 through the engineering site plan review and has not been specifically laid out 638 00:58:05,280 --> 00:58:11,280 at this point in time 639 00:58:08,839 --> 00:58:17,079 so sure if you have anything um so that at this point would 640 00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:20,880 conclude staff's report there any questions all right any 641 00:58:24,799 --> 00:58:31,119 questions do you know the square footage of the Lots 642 00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:37,119 across the street across the street right on Joy 643 00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:41,920 Street there uh they sou that you know how big those lots are about 5,000 644 00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:41,920 square 645 00:58:44,440 --> 00:58:48,359 feet so pretty much the 646 00:58:48,920 --> 00:58:58,039 same yeah okay all 647 00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:58,039 right all right thank 648 00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:06,880 you all right any other ask the tough questions well I I'll have a couple more 649 00:59:05,640 --> 00:59:15,359 down the road here any other questions um I have one 650 00:59:10,599 --> 00:59:19,319 Kelly um I vaguely remember us doing this for the other one and I remember 651 00:59:17,280 --> 00:59:23,520 the people on Joy Street complaining about looking at the in the backyards of 652 00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:29,720 the homes we maintained the condition that 653 00:59:27,200 --> 00:59:36,559 the Planning Commission ultimately ended up with from the previous discussion and 654 00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:41,640 it was copied and pasted okay I was just wondering if it followed through okay it 655 00:59:38,559 --> 00:59:47,200 followed through okay thank you right anything 656 00:59:44,839 --> 00:59:52,920 else okay then we'll open our public testimony portion and ask the applicant 657 00:59:49,280 --> 00:59:52,920 or applicants representative to come 658 00:59:54,920 --> 01:00:00,760 forward okay good evening Laura Lorac with Udell engineering and land 659 00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:06,640 surveying joining me this evening is Andrew repe uh also with Udell so thank 660 01:00:04,480 --> 01:00:11,559 you for hearing the presentation tonight what you have before you is a 30 lot 661 01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:15,839 subdivision proposal uh most of these Lots will be served by the creation of 662 01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:20,160 new public streets one is a longer section the other is short uh those 663 01:00:18,280 --> 01:00:26,680 streets that will be developed will have connections to South Fifth and also Joy 664 01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:30,839 Street um sidewalk connections to the existing sidewalk system on the opposite 665 01:00:28,960 --> 01:00:37,039 side of Joy Street will be created through the creation of these Lots um 666 01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:42,960 there's also included in the proposal is a short private Street section um that 667 01:00:40,240 --> 01:00:47,920 will provide access to just a few Lots off the end of the sub subdivision 668 01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:52,359 called a sack um included in that private street is a fire turnaround so 669 01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:57,559 fire apparatuses will have the ability to drive down and serve those um created 670 01:00:54,599 --> 01:01:02,920 lots and also make the backing movements to move out of that 671 01:00:59,280 --> 01:01:06,240 area um and as Kelly mentioned I think the the the highlight of this 672 01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:12,359 application is it's one that you have seen before um the earlier proposal had 673 01:01:09,599 --> 01:01:17,119 less Lots proposed um those lots were bigger in size the intention of the 674 01:01:14,640 --> 01:01:22,760 development on those lots were duplex so primarily duplex development uh the 675 01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:26,680 proposal before you today is intended to um serve what the market is demanding 676 01:01:24,680 --> 01:01:32,680 and that's primarily sing single family development possibly a mix of some 677 01:01:28,720 --> 01:01:37,000 duplexes in there as well um and as your planning commissioner already has 678 01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:41,559 pointed out the lots that are proposed this evening with the current 679 01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:45,280 subdivision proposal are the same size and width and dimensions as things that 680 01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:50,760 already exist in the surrounding neighborhood so the subdivision directly 681 01:01:48,039 --> 01:01:55,079 um south of the project has similar size Lots as the proposal that's in front of 682 01:01:52,839 --> 01:02:00,880 you this evening um so we'll think it'll add some consist y um to the already 683 01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:04,200 developed neighborhood in the area that I'll complete mine and hand it over to 684 01:02:02,559 --> 01:02:09,240 Andrew talk a little bit about Utilities in 685 01:02:05,319 --> 01:02:14,240 storm yeah briefly for the utilities uh there's water available in South fif and 686 01:02:12,039 --> 01:02:18,520 enjoy so we'll be connecting to both of those Mains and looping it through this 687 01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:22,920 development there's sewer available in South fif and the West Side Interceptor 688 01:02:20,680 --> 01:02:26,359 and so we'll be creating a new main running east and west through the 689 01:02:24,319 --> 01:02:31,480 development for sewer uh storm drain will all be gathered to 690 01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:37,839 the Southwest there will be a new track created that will be owned by the HOA 691 01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:41,960 and uh where we'll have a detention Pond and that will detain the runoff to 692 01:02:39,559 --> 01:02:49,480 pre-developed levels and then it will discharge into the the ditch that runs 693 01:02:45,480 --> 01:02:54,599 along joy and uh South Fifth so it will discharge down there at the intersection 694 01:02:51,400 --> 01:03:02,039 of those you'll notice there's several new box cul 695 01:02:56,680 --> 01:03:07,480 uh two on South Fifth and one on Joy that will be created for these Crossings 696 01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:16,240 and uh those are regulated by ODFW and they're they're quite large to 697 01:03:11,640 --> 01:03:21,640 uh to enable fish fish passage so um that's why they're so big um we'll also 698 01:03:19,039 --> 01:03:28,160 be creating a sidewalk along South Fifth Street but the the paved surface will 699 01:03:25,279 --> 01:03:28,160 remain as it is 700 01:03:29,039 --> 01:03:36,319 now that concludes our presentation but we're happy to answer any questions that 701 01:03:34,319 --> 01:03:39,720 you have any 702 01:03:41,920 --> 01:03:49,400 questions dang you done good all right all right thank you again 703 01:03:46,920 --> 01:03:49,400 appreciate your 704 01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:58,920 time all right then we will open it up for Testimony in in favor of the 705 01:04:00,039 --> 01:04:07,480 application seeing none is there testimony in opposition of the 706 01:04:05,440 --> 01:04:09,960 application okay come forward again state your 707 01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:19,680 name I'm Doris modman and I live right across the street from this and the size 708 01:04:16,359 --> 01:04:19,680 of my L lot is 709 01:04:19,760 --> 01:04:28,359 6,535 5,000 foot lot is considerably smaller than what most of us have I can 710 01:04:24,960 --> 01:04:32,480 put an RV next to my house I think some of these other ones I really good 711 01:04:30,559 --> 01:04:35,760 friends with Mark Schneider who is the owner of the property and helping these 712 01:04:34,119 --> 01:04:42,400 people do this I'm not against the project I just like to see it much less 713 01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:47,000 dense okay maybe 24 was too little maybe 35 is too big I'd like to see a 714 01:04:45,039 --> 01:04:52,480 compromise thank you any other testimony and opposition 715 01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,480 of the 716 01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:58,960 application all right seeing none then we will close public testimony portion 717 01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:05,599 all further discussion will be amongst planning Commissioners and 718 01:05:01,359 --> 01:05:10,760 staff so the private the private Street that's maintained by the homeowner right 719 01:05:12,720 --> 01:05:16,200 yes simple 720 01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:22,480 question okay I can't remember the last application we had a combination of 721 01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:28,119 public and private this a little unique I thought 722 01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:32,000 so too but what what is the point in making 723 01:05:30,599 --> 01:05:40,599 that private the 724 01:05:34,920 --> 01:05:45,200 uh public Street can't extend far enough to make a 725 01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:49,240 culac large enough um without impeding on other 726 01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:56,240 people's properties basically you there's no land 727 01:05:53,279 --> 01:06:00,640 to be able to build a public Street and actually have 728 01:05:58,599 --> 01:06:07,039 property um basically yeah so you you can't we 729 01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:10,799 couldn't technically allow people to drive down there and turn around in 730 01:06:08,440 --> 01:06:14,039 somebody's driveway so that's that's the reason for the private street because 731 01:06:12,279 --> 01:06:17,160 it's just those folks that live down there that would use that portion of the 732 01:06:15,319 --> 01:06:25,559 street very similar to what's built over on um off of U and yes yeah same same 733 01:06:22,559 --> 01:06:25,559 situation 734 01:06:26,279 --> 01:06:32,559 right any other questions go ahead for the private street is there 735 01:06:30,599 --> 01:06:39,319 going to be some kind of HOA or something to uh fund maintenance Etc on 736 01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:43,440 that yeah I think they alluded to an HOA for the uh the drainage so I would 737 01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:47,559 assume that the same thing would apply here too yeah it would have to there's a 738 01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:52,359 condition that says that there has to be a reciprocal access and maintenance 739 01:06:49,559 --> 01:06:55,359 agreement at minimum but then with drainage 740 01:06:56,039 --> 01:07:05,160 it probably has the age away as well so Kelly um I have a question if 741 01:07:03,079 --> 01:07:11,880 they and I could be um from if they use if they put 742 01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:19,200 duplexes in there is that considered a multif family no okay it's just a it's 743 01:07:15,240 --> 01:07:24,400 just a shared wall right like a zero lot line okay the only reason I was asking 744 01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:28,200 was because of green space for children if you have if we require for multif 745 01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:33,240 family if that was something that would be required because I didn't see it so 746 01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:39,839 our code only identifies multif family multi more than three units more than 747 01:07:35,440 --> 01:07:43,839 three okay thank you Joy since they came back and changed their their plan did 748 01:07:42,319 --> 01:07:46,440 they have to pay their fees all over again yes 749 01:07:48,520 --> 01:07:52,319 sir okay any other 750 01:07:53,079 --> 01:08:01,640 questions okay is anybody prepared well first let me ask this question do you 751 01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:01,640 feel the criteria has been 752 01:08:03,599 --> 01:08:11,520 met okay I think we have an agreement that it has been so in that case then is 753 01:08:08,960 --> 01:08:11,520 there a 754 01:08:21,359 --> 01:08:29,920 motion I'll make a motion um I move that the Planning 755 01:08:26,839 --> 01:08:34,520 Commission approved the subdivision s-22 d03 adopting the written findings 756 01:08:32,359 --> 01:08:38,759 contained in the staff report for the decision criteria and conditions of 757 01:08:36,440 --> 01:08:42,440 development with the modification to add an engineering condition for 758 01:08:40,359 --> 01:08:47,759 transportation to require a total of three stop signs at the intersections of 759 01:08:45,640 --> 01:08:52,279 the new public Street and South Fifth Street and Joy Street and the 760 01:08:50,279 --> 01:08:57,199 intersection of the private Street and the new public Street and direct staff 761 01:08:55,080 --> 01:09:03,159 to D draft an order of decision with the modified findings and conditions of 762 01:09:00,199 --> 01:09:11,239 approval It's s 24-4 you said 22 oh that's because it 763 01:09:07,359 --> 01:09:16,719 says 03 in there 04 I'm so sorry I'll second okay it's been motioned and 764 01:09:13,480 --> 01:09:23,560 seconded does everybody understand the motion and the 765 01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:23,560 correction okay any further 766 01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:31,000 discussion okay all those then in favor of the motion please say I I I and those 767 01:09:29,239 --> 01:09:36,759 oppose same sign right motion carries 768 01:09:33,440 --> 01:09:40,679 unanimously again thank you all right moving on to our third and 769 01:09:39,400 --> 01:09:45,759 final public hearing uh annexation a-24 770 01:09:46,719 --> 01:09:53,400 d02 pursuant to 97797 testimony may be in any oral or 771 01:09:52,080 --> 01:09:56,159 written form but must be directed towards the criteria outlined in the 772 01:09:54,719 --> 01:09:59,600 staff report the comprehensive plan of the city's land use regulations any 773 01:09:58,280 --> 01:10:02,120 issue raised must be accompanied by statements and evidence sufficient to 774 01:10:00,920 --> 01:10:05,600 allow the commission and parties an opportunity to respond please note 775 01:10:04,120 --> 01:10:08,480 failure to raise an issue including constitutional issues by the close of 776 01:10:07,159 --> 01:10:12,760 the hearing will prevent any appeal to the land board of 777 01:10:10,520 --> 01:10:19,280 appeals okay any expert take contact conflict of 778 01:10:16,239 --> 01:10:19,280 interest or 779 01:10:19,440 --> 01:10:24,640 bias you don't live next to it no 780 01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:32,760 I was expecting that all right then we will turn it over 781 01:10:30,360 --> 01:10:39,360 to staff for staff report okay this is the longest one of the night guys so 785 782 01:10:37,640 --> 01:10:45,600 West B Street would like to Annex into the city to be able to connect to City 783 01:10:42,239 --> 01:10:52,880 uh sewer Services uh the property is contiguous to City boundaries on the 784 01:10:48,640 --> 01:10:58,239 north and west property lines um and it is uh identified in the comprehensive 785 01:10:55,320 --> 01:11:03,840 plan as residential mixed density and assigned zoning of residential mixed 786 01:11:00,640 --> 01:11:10,280 density upon annexation the applicant has identified acceptance of the initial 787 01:11:07,560 --> 01:11:17,159 zoning uh the surrounding properties are residential uses in nature um and public 788 01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:23,440 facilities are available in Ninth Street and able to be uh extended to the 789 01:11:20,239 --> 01:11:27,560 property uh once annexed into the City and so therefore it is eligible for 790 01:11:25,440 --> 01:11:32,920 urbanization although it is already developed uh so it meets the criteria 791 01:11:30,320 --> 01:11:37,040 for annexation so staff recommendation is for approval of the annexation and 792 01:11:35,040 --> 01:11:43,800 that concludes my staff's report I'm available for any 793 01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:43,800 questions any questions for 794 01:11:45,600 --> 01:11:54,100 staff okay um then we will open public testimony 795 01:11:51,480 --> 01:12:00,679 portion [Laughter] 796 01:11:58,080 --> 01:12:05,280 then we will close public testimony portion um any any further questions any 797 01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:10,880 comments any concerns I'm going to assume that they 798 01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:17,520 must have had a septic failure maybe don't know because I know 799 01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:23,159 that we have some property that's County so it's a good possibility or they want 800 01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:27,960 to sell the property and it's easier to sell a property when it's connected to 801 01:12:24,600 --> 01:12:31,480 City all the better reason either way yeah I think this is a pretty 802 01:12:29,440 --> 01:12:37,880 straightforward thing so slowly this little island of 803 01:12:34,239 --> 01:12:44,000 County Properties is shrinking yeah which is a good thing all right any 804 01:12:40,480 --> 01:12:49,800 further discussion concerns are we uh I assume you feel that we've met 805 01:12:47,239 --> 01:12:55,679 the criteria you'd be asking questions y okay um anybody prepared for 806 01:12:53,679 --> 01:13:02,120 a motion go ahead are you sure okay um I move 807 01:13:00,400 --> 01:13:08,480 that the Planning Commission recommend approval of annexation A- 808 01:13:05,960 --> 01:13:12,280 24-02 to the city council based on the written findings and the staff report 809 01:13:10,199 --> 01:13:17,520 and direct staff to draft an order of recommendation incorporating the 810 01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:17,520 findings and conditions of 811 01:13:17,960 --> 01:13:24,440 approval okay been motion and seconded any further 812 01:13:22,159 --> 01:13:30,480 discussion all those any in favor please say I I those oppose same sign motion 813 01:13:28,719 --> 01:13:35,760 carries unanimously all right um citizens 814 01:13:36,080 --> 01:13:45,159 comments see no movement then we will go on to commission 815 01:13:41,000 --> 01:13:50,600 business uh we will have a meeting in October um please remember that we will 816 01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:56,360 have a joint Planning Commission and city council meeting in November believe 817 01:13:53,960 --> 01:14:03,480 we have it set to start it at 4:30 uh yes what's that date in 818 01:14:00,800 --> 01:14:12,520 November date is the 2 uh Wednesday of the month so it's 819 01:14:07,199 --> 01:14:19,080 November 13th November 13th at 4:30 yes uh and that's uh again for an update 820 01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:23,480 on the code amendment process much like we did the last go around uh in between 821 01:14:21,679 --> 01:14:27,880 now and then we'll have another project advisory committee for those that are 822 01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:34,920 participating on the project advisory committee um I think that's all I have 823 01:14:31,600 --> 01:14:34,920 unless anybody has questions for 824 01:14:44,000 --> 01:14:52,960 us has it okay so November we have the joint meeting but we're not going to 825 01:14:50,400 --> 01:14:58,000 actually have a Planning Commission meeting we might depending on whether or 826 01:14:55,840 --> 01:15:05,880 not we have applications 827 01:15:00,320 --> 01:15:11,199 okay um just a question um in the first hearing we had lot coverage does that 828 01:15:08,600 --> 01:15:15,199 include impervious areas like parking lot no it includes pretty much just the 829 01:15:14,239 --> 01:15:21,440 building footprint okay that makes more 830 01:15:18,280 --> 01:15:21,440 sense all 831 01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:28,800 right any updates any questions comments