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Good evening. I'll call the December 14, 2020-22 meeting. The Lt. City Council to order.

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Good evening. I'll call the December 14, 2022 meeting, the Lebanon City Council to order, Councillor

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Councillor Whitlesy. We do please send the Presidential Billion Board to

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Whittlesy, would you please send the pledge of allegiance?

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Councillor Whittlesy, would you please send the pledge of allegiance to the Councillor, would you please,

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the United States of America,

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Councillor Whittlesy, would you please send the pledge of allegiance to the Councillor.

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This meeting is being conducted in the courts of the provisions of RSA-91A. It's being conducted here in the Council of Chambers of the City Hall. It is also a stride, live stream, a sample cast on our city website.

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This meeting is being conducted in the courts, the provisions of RSA and 91A. It's being conducted

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here in the Council of Chambers of the City Hall. It is also a stride live stream

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samelcast on our city website. It is also a virtual component, participation from Microsoft

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There's also a virtual component,

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participation from Microsoft Teams,

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Teams, and there's also a phone component. You can participate in any of those four

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and there's also a phone component.

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You can participate in any one of those four

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different options in this meeting tonight. If there is a problem with the digital components

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different options in this meeting tonight.

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If there is a problem with the digital

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components of the meeting,

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of the meeting, the meeting will still continue because the only requirement is to have it in

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the meeting will still continue because the

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owner requirement is to have it in person

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meeting under state statute. If you're having difficulty accessing the meeting, the virtual meeting,

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meeting under state statute.

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If you're having difficulty accessing

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the meeting, the virtual meeting,

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or the phone access,

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or the phone access, you can use my email on there and email me and I'll try to assist you as

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you can use my email on there,

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email me and I'll try to assist you

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as best I can to participate in the meeting.

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best that I can to participate in the meeting. If you wish to speak, there's a several public

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If you wish to speak, there's several public hearings tonight.

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two public hearings tonight. Well, two public hearings in the regular open of the public session.

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Well, two public hearings in the regular open of the public session.

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If you wish to comment at any of the items that are there when the mayor opens it up for public comment,

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If you wish to comment at any of the items that are there when the mayor opens it up for public

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comment, all you need to do is unmute yourself. You do not need to try to find the raised hand

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all you need to do is unmute yourself.

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You do not need to try to find the raised hand function.

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don't worry about that, just simply unmute yourself, state your name, the word that you live in,

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Don't worry about that.

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Just simply unmute yourself.

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State your name.

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The word that you live in.

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If you don't live in the city of the jurisdiction and what you do live,

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if you don't live in the city of the jurisdiction and what you do live, and then the mayor will

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and then the mayor will recognize you in the light to speak at that particular time.

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recognize you in a light to speak at that particular time. Thank you. Any member of the public who

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Thank you.

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Any member of the public who desires to speak on any item may do so, when the item is taken up by the Council, and you'll be allowed to speak on the subject for not more than three minutes.

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desires to speak at any item may do so, when the item is taken up by the council, and you'll be allowed

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to speak on the subject for not more than three minutes. Again, to each of me, we always allocate

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Again, to each of me, we always allocate a little time for items that are not on tonight's agenda.

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a little time for items that are not on tonight's agenda.

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I want to examine for the public here in the audience who has an item that is not on tonight's agenda that they'd like to briefly discuss.

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I want to examine for the public here in the audience who has an item that is not

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on tonight's agenda that they like briefly discuss.

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And as I remember in the virtual audience with any items I'd like to briefly discuss that are not specifically on tonight's agenda.

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Is there any of them in the virtual audience who has any items I'd like to briefly discuss

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that are not specifically on tonight's agenda?

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No one is unmuted.

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No one is unmuted.

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I just wanted to thank the Recreation Department for doing such a great job with that.

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I just wanted to thank the Recreation Department for doing such a great job with the Labanin celebration, season celebration.

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in celebration, season celebration, it's really, and the lights look just beautiful.

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It's really, and the lights look just beautiful.

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Thank you, Councillor Wilkie. And I just wanted to remind people who have seen or announced

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who have seen or announced for those who haven't seen that a week from today is December

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for those who haven't seen that a week from today is December 21st, typically known as the longest

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21st, typically known as the longest night of the year, and it's traditionally a day

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night of the year and it's traditionally a day of homeless memorial where we recognize the

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of homeless memorial where we recognize the people whose lives have been lost, who've been

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people whose lives have been lost who've been the lives have been shortened due to homelessness.

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lives have been shortened due to homelessness.

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There will be a vigil on Culver and Park at 530,

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There will be a vigil on Culver and Park at 530 and it's open to the public and anyone

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and it's open to the public, and anyone is welcome to attend,

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as welcome to attend, and there will also be a call to action so that we can consider

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and there will also be a call to action,

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so that we can consider the problem of how

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the problem of how to best support most vulnerable residents of our community and hope

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to best support the most vulnerable residents of our community.

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in hope to make these vigils less relevant as fewer people pass due to homelessness.

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to make these vigils less relevant as fewer people pass due to homelessness.

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And I think I saw in the press release that you will be spending the night outdoors and the city manager will also be spending the night outdoors as well our human services director.

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And I think I saw in the press release that you will be spending the night outdoors and

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the city manager will also be spending the night outdoors as well our human services director.

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And so thank you very much for doing that.

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And so thank you very much for doing that.

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Thank you very much and we're also anything not on this tonight's agenda

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And we'd also anything not on that tonight's agenda.

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Then we will start with the public hearings.

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We'll start with the public hearings and the first one is one we do

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And the first one is one we do once a year.

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Once a year and this is the adoption of the 2023 city budget

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And this is the adoption of the 2023 City Budget.

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This is a public hearing for the purpose of receiving public input

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This is a public hearing for the purpose of receiving public input,

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The taking action to adopt the 2023 city budget

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the taking action to adopt the 2023 City Budget.

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As proposed by the city manager with additional actions to include

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As proposed by the City Manager,

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with additional actions to include authorizing the issuance of bonds

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authorizing the issuance of bonds or notes to finance 2023 capital improvements, authorizing

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or notes to finance 2023 capital improvements, authorizing the city manager to apply for

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the city manager to apply for new Hampshire drinking water, and to our clean water state

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New Hampshire drinking water, and to our clean water state revolving fund loans, and

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revolving fund loans, and designating the city manager as authorized representative of the city,

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designating the city manager as authorized representative of the city, authorizing the

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authorizing the disbursement of water investment fee funds, expanding the purpose of an existing

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disbursement of water investment fee funds, expanding the purpose of an existing capital

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capital reserve fund, establishing a public assistance revolving fund, an authorizing the city

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reserve fund, establishing a public assistance revolving fund and authorizing the city manager

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manager to transfer an incumbent, procreated fiscal year 2022, general funds to other municipal funds.

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to transfer an incumbent, procreated fiscal year 2022, General Funds to other municipal funds.

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You'd like to start with any presentation. I would please pull it up.

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You'd like to start with any presentation, I would please pull it up.

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The one behind you says no signal, do you know that? Yeah, the service services people would just

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The one behind you says no signal, do you know that?

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Yeah, the service services people would just in here trying to deal with that issue.

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you're going to deal with that issue.

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So I want to go through this quickly. I've made this presentation before it's available in our website.

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So I want to go through this quickly.

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I've made this presentation before it's available on our website.

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I know the council have heard it, but maybe citizens would have not.

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I know the council have heard it, but maybe citizens will not.

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So of course, any time, people don't realize, but obviously the passing of a budget is a public policy statement as to what the resource allocations are.

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So of course, any time people don't realize, but obviously the passing of a budget is a public policy statement as to what the resource allocations are.

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And we do that based on several different things.

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And we do that based on several different things.

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The city has a master plan, a sustainability principles.

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The city has a master plan, a sustainability principles that has business plans and at least two of our departments,

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It has business plans and at least two of our departments.

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police and fire. We use performance measurement and analysis and evaluation when it comes to determining

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police who fire, we use performance measurement and analysis and evaluation when it comes to determining how we spend our money and how effective that spending of them money has been.

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how we spend our money and how effective that spending of them money has been. Budget objectives

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Budget objectives ensure that the municipal tax rate for 2023 increases no more than 2.5 percent.

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ensure that the municipal tax rate for 2023 increases no more than 2.5 percent. Meet the city's

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Meet the city's guiding principles and sustainability objectives.

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guiding principles and sustainability objectives. Uncritical capital improvements projects and maintain

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On critical capital improvements projects and maintain quality service to the levels to meet the public

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quality service to the levels to meet the public's expectations. Those are the overarching

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expectations, those were the overarching objectives we developed the budget for this particular year.

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of justice when we developed the budget for this particular year.

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I'll go with the issues we had for the previous year, the year where it presently

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I'll go with the initiatives we had for the previous year that we're presently in as you know we're a calendar year budget.

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and, as you know, were a calendar year budget.

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These were the initiatives that we have ventured into, continue paperless and transparency

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These were the initiatives that we have ventured into. Continue paperless and transparency initiatives.

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initiatives, electronic payment process for landfill, as you know, we've made great strides

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Electronic payment process for landfill as you know we've made great strides in those.

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in those.

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Continue to develop into the various west-level and improvement projects and we've been through those when over the CIP.

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It's been a development of the various west-level and improvement projects and we've been

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through those when over the CIP.

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Great, wastewater capital needs assessment similar to the water assessment plan that has

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Create wastewater capital needs assessment similar to the water assessment plan that has been done.

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and done.

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Continuum implementation of the fixed asset management system again, significant progress

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Continuing implementation of the fixed asset management system again, significant progress has been made in almost all of the departments that have physical assets.

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has been made in almost all the departments that have physical assets.

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And the enhanced energy efficiency reduced energy usage through the street light project, which is basically down we have one last piece to go, and that's the lights up on stores hill and that contract has been executed and so that will be done hopefully shortly.

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Enhanced energy efficiency, reduced energy usage through the street light project, which

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is basically done, we have one last piece to go, and that's the lights up on stores hill

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and that contract has been executed, and so that will be done hopefully shortly.

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solar project, Flintfield, gas to energy and energy upgrades that we have made.

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Solar projects, landfill, gas to energy and energy upgrades that we have made. Those were the major initiatives for 22 and we had emergency management capability response.

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Those were the major initiatives for 22.

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We had emergency management capability response.

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We keep talking about this, the result of climate change and when it's occurring across the entire planet,

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We keep talking about this.

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Due to the result of climate change and when it's occurring across the entire planet,

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we have seen the level of natural disasters that have increased significantly.

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we have seen the level of natural disasters that have increased significantly.

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The severity of those events and the frequency of those events,

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The severity of those events and the frequency of those events,

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and we're not going to be immune from those either.

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and we're not going to be immune from those either.

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So we've got to ensure that we are on a proper footing to be able to deal with that.

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So we've got to ensure that we are on a proper footing to be able to deal with that.

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in options for public safety software in 2023.

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In options for public safety, software in 2023, it's probably going to be July 2024 now.

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It's probably going to want it in 2024 now.

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23 initiatives, the transparency and engagement

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23 initiatives, the transparency engagement paperless initiatives,

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paperless initiatives, you're going to see something

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You're going to see something shortly after the first of the year, Melanie and Beth worked

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shortly after the first of the year, Melanie and Beth

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worked on a transparency page for the whole bunch of links,

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on a transparency page for the whole bunch of links, which will make it much easier for people

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which will make it much easier for people to access documents.

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to access documents.

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That should be a really soon problem in the next few weeks.

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That should be a really soon problem in the next few weeks.

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There are some things I need to be out of that,

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There are some things that need to be added to that, but that's a major change there.

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but that's a major change there.

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Continuing development of the various west-level improvements, again, we've talked about those.

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Continuing development of the various west-level improvements.

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Again, we've talked about those.

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I won't get into detail right now with those.

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I won't get into detail right now with those.

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Again, enhanced emergency management capability and response.

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Again, enhanced emergency management capability and response, I had a long discussion with our chief and assistant chief.

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I had a long discussion with our chief and assistant chief, and they have their marching orders

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And they have their marching orders in that regard to make sure that we have a robust planning when we're moving forward.

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in that regard to make sure that we have a robust planning when we're moving full with

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Exercise is in training to get us where I think we need to be.

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exercises and training to get us where I think we need to be.

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You're seeing energy and sustainability projects and continue development of the strategic

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Continuing energy and sustainability projects and continuing development of the strategic plan that we talked about that.

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plan, and we talked about that.

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So, some opportunities for us, federal funding for infrastructure, energy and sustainability projects,

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Some opportunities for us, federal funding for infrastructure, energy and sustainability projects,

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the infrastructure act was passed as considerable numbers of funds that are going to be

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the infrastructure act that was passed as considerable numbers of funds that are going to be

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Well, we already initiated grant applications to take advantage of those and then, of course, the IRA grants that are coming out,

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Well, we already initiated grant applications to take advantage of those and then, of course,

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the IRA grants that are coming out, which we should see sometime probably towards the end

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which we should see sometime probably towards the end of 2023 or the middle of 2023.

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of 2023 or the middle of 2023, those applications will be coming out.

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Those applications will be coming out. We've got a task force working on those.

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We've got a task force working on those.

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The CZ economy is strong and it has been for a long time since last time they had a really significant downturn

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The seize economy is strong and it has been for a long time since last time that it had a really significant downturn.

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My understanding is in the 1950s a little bit before my time.

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My understanding is in the 1950s a little bit before my time

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Destination location for many reasons we are never attending the entire country for places for people to move to

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Destination location for many reasons we are never attending the entire country for places for people to move to

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The US Postal Service was tracking that it was an article about that some months ago and we're the number two location from people

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the US Postal Service which tracking that it was an article about that some months ago and we're the number two location for people leaving or fleeing the city of Boston depending upon you look at

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Leaving or fleeing the city of Boston depending upon you look at

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We have a top-rated school system. It's one of the top 10 in the state our school board and the staff and the school

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We have a top-rated school system with one of the top 10 in the state, our school board, and the staff, and the school

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that are outstanding job there, and it serves us well.

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that an outstanding job there, and it serves us well.

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So, those are the opportunities, of course, to threats arising, salary rates, highest in the state that the salaries in our region are the highest in the entire state.

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So, those are the opportunities, of course, the threats of rising, salary rates, highest

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in the state that the salaries in our region are the highest in the entire state.

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Interest rate increases, you know, everybody's seeing what those are doing, that affects

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Interest rate increases, you know, everybody's seen what those are doing, and that affects us as well, not just our citizens, but also affects our ability to borrow money in terms of bonds.

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us as well, not just our citizens, but also affects our ability to borrow money in terms

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of bonds.

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Shortage your workers and products supply chain issues were all well aware of that.

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Shortage your workers and products, supply chain issues, we're all aware of that, rapidly

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Rapidly rise at consumer cost for fuel electricity food most of the items, a lack of

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rising consumer cost for fuel electricity food most of the items, a lack of child care capacity

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child care capacity and cost, housing costs continue to rise, limit an inventory, and

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and cost, housing costs continue to rise and limit an inventory and then of course the climate

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then of course the climate change.

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change. So there's the web blanket slide.

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So there's the web blanket slide.

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Tax rate factors, every year I try to remind people

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Tax rate factors, every year I try to remind people what goes into actually developing a tax

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what goes into actually developing a tax rate. So obviously what we appropriate the expenditures

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rate.

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So obviously what we appropriate the expenditures that we have for the city, and that's

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that we have for the city, and that's an act by the council, certainly revenues that come

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act by the council, certainly revenues that come in and automatically property taxes, but all

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And then on top of, particularly property taxes, but all of the other revenues that we have

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of the other revenues that we have, revenue sources, going to that tax rate calculation.

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revenue sources going to that tax rate calculation, and then fund balance used to reduce

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Then fund balance used to reduce tax, the new tax rate, and that actually added two slides

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tax that tax rate.

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And that actually added two slides to this in the last time you started to talk about

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to this in the last time you start to talk about that, because we didn't have all that data

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things.

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We didn't have all that data which we now have, but you'll see that at the end.

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which we now have, but you'll see that at the end, and then, of course, the assessed valuation

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And then, of course, the assessed valuation of the city for two reasons, one that's

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of the city for two reasons, one that's value of existing properties that increase, and then

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value of existing properties that increase.

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new properties that are added to the inventory of buildings that are newly added to the city's

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added to the city's tax rules. And then of course, war service credits also go against that.

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tax rules. And then of course, war service credits also go against that. So those are the

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So those are the factors that go into developing a tax rate in the city. And of course,

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factors that go into developing a tax rate in the city. And of course, the tax rate,

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the tax rate, I'm talking with the city's portion of the tax rate. There are four components of the tax rate.

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I'm talking about the city's portion of the tax rate. There are four components of the tax rate.

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There is the local school district, the state-wide education property tax, the county, and then the city.

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There is the local school district, the state-wide education property tax, the county,

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and then the city. The city's portion of that is 37% and the schools and the counties are

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The city's portion of that is 37% and the schools and the counties are very small piece and the schools

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small piece and in schools make up the rest of that.

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make up the rest of that.

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So, this is just, again, you've seen this before as counselors, but if you look at the change in the tax rate compared to the change and the consumer price index, the growth of the economy, that's one factor to determine the growth of the economy.

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So this is just a, again, you've seen this

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before as counselors, but if you look at the change in the tax rate compared to the change

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and the consumer price index, the growth of the economy, that's one factor to determine

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the growth of the economy. The economy is growing twice as fast as city government is growing

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The economy is growing twice as fast as city government is growing, as you can see. On average, it's 20.9% over that period of time, and the city's budget is grown by 11.5% of the tax rate, I should say it's grown by 11.5%.

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as you can see. On average, it's 20.9% over that period of time and the city's budget is grown by

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So government is not growing anywhere near as fast as the outside economy.

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government is not growing anywhere near as fast as the outside economy.

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Change of municipal tax rate.

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Change of municipal tax rate, as you can see here, it was 1125 and 2019.

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As you can see here, it was 1125 and 2019.

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We did a revowage, brought it down to 996 and 2020, and then increased again by 2.5% and

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We did a reevalor, it brought it down to 996 and 2020.

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And then increased again by 2.5 percent and 21 to 10.6.

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21 to 10.6%, and then 2022, another revowage, see a rapid reduction there, but that still

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And then 2022, another reevalor, see a rapid reduction there.

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That still represents a 2.5 percent increase in the actual tax rate.

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that's a 2.5% increase in the actual tax rate, and then for 2023 we're looking at 82 something of that nature.

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And then for 2023 we're looking at 82 something of that nature.

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Under sign fund balance policy, again our goal is to maintain

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Under sign fund balance policy, again our goal is to maintain 19 to 24% of current fund expenditures to ensure that we have sufficient cash reserves to deal with emergencies and also be able to handle cash flow.

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19 to 24 percent of current fund expenditures to ensure that we have

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efficient cash reserves to deal with the emergencies and also be able to handle cash flow.

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And then that's developed in accordance with the GASB standards and the GFOA puts those out of those guidance documents.

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And then that's developed in accordance with the GASB standards and the GFOA,

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puts those out of those guidance documents.

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allows for, I think, a cash flow between tax billings, which, of course, two times a year when we receive our major source of revenue, the spring tax bill in the fall tax bill, and the services a cash reserve for emergencies.

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allows for, I think, a cash flow between tax billings, which, of course, two times a year

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when we receive our major source of revenue, the spring tax bill in the fall tax bill,

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and the services of cash reserve for emergencies.

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In summary, the 2023 budget, if you look at, in its totality with all the capital cost,

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In summary, the 2023 budget, if you look at, in its totality with all the capital cost, it's 37.8% higher than the 2022 budget. But of course, that has bonding in it, so you don't normally look at that way, but I wanted to make sure you had the number.

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it's 37.8% higher than the 2022 budget.

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But of course, that has bonding in it, so you don't normally look at that way,

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but I wanted to make sure you had the number.

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2023 budget that's the entire budget including the enterprise fund so the solid waste fund

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2023 budget that's the entire budget including the enterprise fund so the solid waste fund

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the water and sewer fund those are all funded by fees not by taxpayer dollars in the

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the water and sewer fund those are all funded by fees not by taxpayer dollars in the

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airport fund is up 7.1% which is actually below with the CPI is and then 2023 the

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airport fund is up 7.1% which is actually below with the CPI is and then 2023 the

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general fund budget is actually up 4% so well below the growth of the economy and then

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general fund budget is actually up 4% so well below the growth of the economy and then

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Again, we're projecting a 2.5% tax rate increase in 2023 and I say project, we will not know until October of 2023 and we set the tax rate based on the factors I showed you on a previous slide.

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Again, we're projecting a 2.5% tax rate increase in 2023 and I say project, we will not know until October of 2023 and we set the tax rate based on the factors I showed you on a previous slide.

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That's what we're projecting right now. That is our goal which we've been able to meet the last couple of years hopefully that will continue.

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That's what we're projecting right now. That is our goal which we've been able to meet the last couple of years hopefully that will continue.

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But that all depends on revenues and state revenues and things of that nature.

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But that all depends on revenues and state revenues and things of that nature.

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And watered sewer, we already have a pre-plan 8% increase in watered 7.2 for sewer that deal with the debt service and operating costs for those funds due to predominantly the CSO work.

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And watered sewer, we already have a pre-plan 8% increase in watered 7.2 for sewer that deal with the debt service and operating costs for those funds due to predominantly the CSO work.

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This just gives you a comparison from 2020 to 2023.

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This just gives you a comparison from 2020 to 2023.

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I don't need to explain that. You can suddenly read that and you have that.

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I don't need to explain that. You can suddenly read that and you have that.

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General fund budget discussion example here that shows that 4% increase it has actually seen the numbers here.

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General fund budget discussion example here that shows that 4% increase it has actually seen the numbers here.

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Again, this is just the general fund, it's not, it includes the enterprise funds, or any other activities in the budget, just the general fund, which is funded by tax dollars.

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Again, this is just the general fund, it's not, it includes the enterprise funds, or any other activities in the budget, just the general fund, which is funded by tax dollars.

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So the budgetary impact represents a 1.4 million dollar, just over a 1.4 million dollar increase.

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So the budgetary impact represents a 1.4 million dollar, just over a 1.4 million dollar increase.

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That total impact of the cost increases is 1.3 million, almost 1.4 million dollars in cost.

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That total impact of the cost increases is 1.3 million, almost 1.4 million dollars in cost.

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I was which allows for a variance of 86,000 for anything else. And I'm going to show you what those cost drivers are. Again, you've seen it before, if the council wages alone, 75,000, then includes a 3% GWI, most people would call it a cost of living increase. It takes effect, January 1. And then there's a 3% step, I'm here, that occurs on the employees in a first week date. So as you remember, some of these employees, their anniversary, it might be November or December. So they will not see that additional 3% until that particular time. And again, that's still below the, you know,

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economy. In fact, I mean, the findings today provided me with an assessment of what other

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communities we're providing in some of them are seven or eight percent increases and we're

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done at six. And of course, some of our citizens in our community aren't receiving that much

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money either. Health insurance costs increases to 21,000. Retirement increases, even though

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the rate of retirement is going down because of the higher salaries that it's an overall

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increase of 85,000 and winter road maintenance and other 85,000 dollars in there, gasoline,

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diesel.

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You can see the numbers, electricity is the big one, 181,000 dollars, or protecting the spend.

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So those are the cost drivers and that leaves you $86,000 for things that are not specifically

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in those categories.

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Not a whole lot.

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This just gives you an example of a health insurance increase since 2006.

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I just talked about the wages and the consumer price index from the wing of the 7.9.

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We used to use the Northeast, which is actually higher, it's in the eighths, but I think

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now that they have actual data for the win-win-win, we use the win-win data which shows a

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smaller cost increase of 7.9. I think it's more appropriate for us.

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Again, you've seen these slides before I'm not going to get into those, you have them available

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to you.

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General Fundet Service, you can see the President playing in some of that will change

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because when we actually borrow the money, that gives your projection what that looks like

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at least for right now, and this is a general fund-ed services.

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That much is funded by the property tax grade dollars predominantly.

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And you can see that's flagged that we're projecting between 23 and 24.

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That moved because of the fire station projects did not go on.

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We expected that to occur this year.

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And that's what relates into the, when we get to ordinance 18,

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as we've talked about, when there would be no stepping creases

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in that year from police, but we turn that around,

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because we don't have the fire station project you ready to go.

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So, these are the news slides that I add, these are the areas of concern looking out into the future.

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If you look at 2024, if you see that red line, this is the unassigned fund balance.

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So, we keep using up that rate, which we knew we were going to use up this has been planned for many years,

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because we knew we had the debt service spikes and the CSO projects,

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and we built that unassigned fund balance to be where it is to be able to hedge the tax rate and keep it where it is.

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As you can see, we're drawing down that money.

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By 2024, we will be at the minimum of the 19%

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member we need to keep between 19 and 24.

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So we have sufficient cash reserves.

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That allows $1.5 million to be spent

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to offset the taxes.

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We spent quite a bit more than that this year.

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So we're on a trajectory.

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Again, this is a certain set of factors

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as we're projecting out right now.

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This is more than middle of the row projection.

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There are more extreme projections that make this worse

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and then of course others would make it better.

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But you're looking at, right now, if nothing changes, and this projection carries through

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a 3.1% tax rate increase in 24, a 9.5% tax rate increase in 25, and back in

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206, it's back down to a 3.

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Now, obviously, this bell curve, we want to try to smooth that out, so we'll be looking at that

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closely.

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And we actually got more revenues this year before, that came in after this was actually,

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but these numbers put together, which makes things a little bit better, more rooms are

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sales tax came in from the state and some other revenues here and there, which will go to

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the unassigned fund balance to help make that a little bit better, but we still have some issues

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there that we need to be concerned about.

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Looking ahead.

418
00:19:09,370 --> 00:19:12,830
Now the next slide after that, it just gives you the actual numbers you can see what they look

419
00:19:12,830 --> 00:19:13,290
like.

420
00:19:14,930 --> 00:19:18,910
So that's the quick presentation of the proposed 20203 budget.

421
00:19:19,150 --> 00:19:20,450
Again, CIP is different.

422
00:19:20,930 --> 00:19:21,590
We already went through that.

423
00:19:21,590 --> 00:19:23,310
I'm not going to go through all those projects again.

424
00:19:23,310 --> 00:19:26,070
you have particular questions about them.

425
00:19:26,290 --> 00:19:30,130
You can certainly do that, but that is the overview of the budget for 2023.

426
00:19:31,790 --> 00:19:33,110
Thank you.

427
00:19:33,670 --> 00:19:33,930
Okay.

428
00:19:34,490 --> 00:19:37,090
I will open the public hearing on this.

429
00:19:37,410 --> 00:19:39,430
Is there anyone from the public hearing the audience?

430
00:19:40,450 --> 00:19:44,890
That has any questions regarding the proposed 2023 budget?

431
00:19:46,230 --> 00:19:47,430
Yes, ma'am.

432
00:19:48,330 --> 00:19:48,990
Absolutely.

433
00:19:49,550 --> 00:19:51,710
Either the podium or the table, please.

434
00:19:54,270 --> 00:19:57,250
Yeah, we need to record you, so we need to either at the podium.

435
00:19:57,490 --> 00:19:58,410
Thank you.

436
00:19:58,910 --> 00:19:59,510
Yes, please.

437
00:19:59,910 --> 00:20:00,250
Thank you.

438
00:20:00,710 --> 00:20:01,550
Thank you.

439
00:20:02,050 --> 00:20:04,250
We can hear you, but they need to be teaching our recording.

440
00:20:06,470 --> 00:20:11,630
So, a lot of information just presented to those of us that are not familiar with it.

441
00:20:11,950 --> 00:20:13,750
The overall budget increase.

442
00:20:15,370 --> 00:20:18,610
Almost 38 percent in one year.

443
00:20:18,610 --> 00:20:24,530
So that doesn't include borrowing for capital projects and perhaps the manager can explore it.

444
00:20:24,610 --> 00:20:30,710
Because you have that cost of that project in one year, you pay for that project over the next 20 years.

445
00:20:31,010 --> 00:20:33,030
So that's what you have that.

446
00:20:33,090 --> 00:20:37,370
Where is that coming? Can you pull that off the thing? Is that on the find that you did?

447
00:20:37,390 --> 00:20:39,490
It was just on a slide, yeah.

448
00:20:39,590 --> 00:20:47,190
So it's maybe more appropriate to talk about the operating budget, right?

449
00:20:48,490 --> 00:20:53,330
So if we have a project in this particular year and let's say it's a $30 million dollar project,

450
00:20:54,070 --> 00:20:57,470
that gets built into the budget for this year.

451
00:20:57,610 --> 00:21:00,630
Even though we're going to pay for that project over the next 20 years.

452
00:21:02,070 --> 00:21:04,930
So it's sort of weirdly inflates things.

453
00:21:05,310 --> 00:21:05,630
No kidding.

454
00:21:07,910 --> 00:21:08,130
Yeah.

455
00:21:08,370 --> 00:21:09,070
Some of those projects.

456
00:21:09,170 --> 00:21:09,830
It's certainly nice.

457
00:21:10,090 --> 00:21:11,930
It's like there's a lot of truck for $1.7 million,

458
00:21:12,130 --> 00:21:14,090
between we don't even stop paying $40,000,000,

459
00:21:14,370 --> 00:21:16,150
we won't even get it until 2025.

460
00:21:16,150 --> 00:21:20,810
Yeah, but we need to make the expenditure to order the vehicle right and so you only start paying it until

461
00:21:20,810 --> 00:21:27,130
2,026 or 20 years after that. You know I last payment to made on that. Yeah, it's a fun of government accounting to

462
00:21:27,910 --> 00:21:34,530
We're pursuing a number of grants. So like government accounting like your revenue sources and your expense sources

463
00:21:34,530 --> 00:21:42,830
It looks like an expense in our budget because that's how it's divided. It may actually be funded through a combination of like the tax dollars

464
00:21:44,690 --> 00:21:49,130
There's a grant and like borrow, like a home mortgage, right?

465
00:21:49,530 --> 00:21:53,950
Yeah, you know, if you put a home loan and purchasing a home in that context, right?

466
00:21:54,930 --> 00:22:01,750
If we bought a home, if you bought a home today, $300,000, you'd record an expense of $300,000,

467
00:22:01,830 --> 00:22:04,610
and we'd have to appropriate for that $300,000 of a expense.

468
00:22:05,190 --> 00:22:09,790
But you're only actually paying, you know, you may pay, you know, let's say like $100,000 a year,

469
00:22:09,790 --> 00:22:17,170
Yeah, and that's third years and that's it's just kind of the funkiness of how the government accounting is required to operate to

470
00:22:17,170 --> 00:22:20,370
Okay, so just to feel like adding to we have other

471
00:22:21,730 --> 00:22:27,270
sources of funds other than just taxpayer dollars that are going to go through that and you

472
00:22:27,270 --> 00:22:31,330
And so to make it even walk here, let's say we have a million dollar project at the airport

473
00:22:31,330 --> 00:22:36,110
It's 90% funded by the federal get by federal grant

474
00:22:38,470 --> 00:22:46,870
So $950,000 is actually not even coming from tax dollars or from other funds raised within the city.

475
00:22:47,110 --> 00:22:47,590
Okay.

476
00:22:47,590 --> 00:22:48,970
That happens fairly frequently.

477
00:22:49,370 --> 00:22:50,390
That's some of those are in there.

478
00:22:50,730 --> 00:22:51,870
That's, yeah, it inflates that number.

479
00:22:52,290 --> 00:22:55,550
So the true number for this year on the operating budget is 4%.

480
00:22:55,550 --> 00:22:57,850
That's what property tax dollars are based on.

481
00:22:57,970 --> 00:22:59,110
They paying that 4%.

482
00:22:59,910 --> 00:23:00,330
Okay.

483
00:23:01,630 --> 00:23:02,950
I have a question.

484
00:23:02,950 --> 00:23:31,590
So needless to say, I'm kind of upset about my new tax assessment, and the fact that I was just assessed two years ago, and I don't understand when it feels very opportunistic with the market bubble as it has been in the last year or so that you guys just jumped all over it to attach that hell out of us.

485
00:23:31,590 --> 00:23:35,870
And, frankly, it's breaking our backs.

486
00:23:37,310 --> 00:23:42,510
So it's a legitimate question, and the answer is actually not opportunistic, it's forced

487
00:23:42,510 --> 00:23:44,270
on us, basically by state law.

488
00:23:44,430 --> 00:23:45,370
If you want to explain that.

489
00:23:45,430 --> 00:23:47,450
State law is every five years, is it not?

490
00:23:47,550 --> 00:23:47,910
No.

491
00:23:48,230 --> 00:23:48,370
No.

492
00:23:48,370 --> 00:23:49,990
According to your letter, it was.

493
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:50,390
No.

494
00:23:50,830 --> 00:23:51,870
That's not what the letter said at all.

495
00:23:51,930 --> 00:23:56,310
It's just been only we do it every five years, because normally you stay within that range

496
00:23:56,310 --> 00:24:00,770
during that time, because the economy has changed so rapidly, the value of properties have

497
00:24:00,770 --> 00:24:06,210
dramatically increased. We have to assess properties within 90 to 100 percent of their

498
00:24:06,210 --> 00:24:12,050
value. If we're assessing your property at say 125 percent of its value, we have to

499
00:24:12,050 --> 00:24:17,090
do a reevaluation. We were at 66 percent well below the 90s, so we were required to do that

500
00:24:17,090 --> 00:24:21,330
because it is a constitutional issue of fair taxation. We have to go on and do a reevaluation.

501
00:24:21,610 --> 00:24:22,670
That's what we did that.

502
00:24:23,270 --> 00:24:28,630
Okay, so what's going to happen when this bubble burst now that interest rates have gone

503
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:31,970
way up, and the values come back down.

504
00:24:32,210 --> 00:24:33,530
Are they going to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be able to be?

505
00:24:33,530 --> 00:24:37,390
Well, no, so a couple of things with that, where at 90% right now, we're at the very

506
00:24:37,390 --> 00:24:40,390
age of having to do them, because we're actually too low again.

507
00:24:40,750 --> 00:24:44,350
So what will happen is that those property values go down, we'll inch close to the 100%

508
00:24:44,350 --> 00:24:48,410
which is where you want to be, and as long as it doesn't go over the 110% the value.

509
00:24:49,130 --> 00:24:54,190
So if, right now, a property is worth a $100,000, and it goes down below that, the value

510
00:24:54,190 --> 00:24:58,490
is 110%, which are 110% the assessed value, but higher than that, and we have to

511
00:24:58,490 --> 00:25:04,070
evaluation. So if you're property drops down to the point where then we have to go and do a

512
00:25:04,070 --> 00:25:08,190
re-value across it, it's across the entire city, not just one property, but then we have to do

513
00:25:08,190 --> 00:25:13,310
a re-valuation. So we could be doing one in 2024. If those property values go down enough,

514
00:25:13,670 --> 00:25:17,990
and that who knows what's going to happen, otherwise there'll be closer to five years again,

515
00:25:18,410 --> 00:25:22,270
but that all depends on what the market does. We stay within the ratio, so it's every five

516
00:25:22,270 --> 00:25:25,410
years, if we go outside the ratio that has to be more frequent like.

517
00:25:25,410 --> 00:25:27,750
Okay, is that free stop of real estate?

518
00:25:28,050 --> 00:25:28,350
Real estate?

519
00:25:28,770 --> 00:25:36,490
Like if residential levels off of commercial goes off or vice or something like is it triggered by any individual real estate?

520
00:25:36,590 --> 00:25:39,070
No, it's across, it's the city's overall evaluation.

521
00:25:40,550 --> 00:25:43,830
So that's my other question is in your letter.

522
00:25:44,390 --> 00:25:48,450
It said that commercial property went up 8%.

523
00:25:48,450 --> 00:25:50,490
And residential 28%.

524
00:25:50,490 --> 00:25:51,630
Or 27%.

525
00:25:51,630 --> 00:25:52,690
27%.

526
00:25:54,230 --> 00:25:59,250
was anything done to try to make that more equitable for the property owners.

527
00:25:59,410 --> 00:26:02,550
I mean, my God, you're just really dumping on us here.

528
00:26:03,130 --> 00:26:07,850
It's not what we do, it's the market, it's property taxes are based on the market value of that.

529
00:26:07,890 --> 00:26:13,110
So, if an office building is not, it's only increasing in value by 8% when it was before.

530
00:26:13,490 --> 00:26:17,290
And houses are increasing by 27% or in some cases, 55%.

531
00:26:17,290 --> 00:26:19,450
Yeah, but my income sure isn't increasing by that.

532
00:26:19,450 --> 00:26:26,370
But this isn't the system in the hamster that property taxation, this is what the hamster is chosen to fund its government's local governments

533
00:26:26,370 --> 00:26:30,770
So as long as it relies heavily upon that when you have these markets wings that's what's going to happen

534
00:26:30,770 --> 00:26:36,190
In this case, we had a market swing within the community normally the properties go up pretty close to the same

535
00:26:36,190 --> 00:26:38,850
The residential properties go up commercials go about the same

536
00:26:38,850 --> 00:26:46,350
But that has an occurred in this case in this case the commercial properties went up this lunch and the residential properties went way up because of the housing crisis across the country

537
00:26:46,350 --> 00:26:51,110
So that shifts that burden more to the residential property, and it's as I indicated in my letter.

538
00:26:51,810 --> 00:26:58,390
Yes, so we're not allowed to have a differential tax rate. There's only one commercial versus residential properties.

539
00:26:58,410 --> 00:27:00,150
We're just not allowed to do it under law.

540
00:27:00,710 --> 00:27:07,590
So we can't say, well, the commercial property should pay ex-percentage, and the residential properties should be subsidized by the commercial,

541
00:27:07,910 --> 00:27:12,770
which is not allowed to do that under the law. It has to be equitable across all types of properties.

542
00:27:12,770 --> 00:27:17,810
Some states do have that they have a commercial tax rate and they have a residential tax on the hamster does not have that

543
00:27:18,430 --> 00:27:18,850
Well

544
00:27:18,850 --> 00:27:23,630
You're gonna drive me on 11 and that's about all I can say it's just too expensive

545
00:27:25,030 --> 00:27:28,790
I'm sorry can you please date your name and your ward number

546
00:27:31,010 --> 00:27:34,270
Roberta storm ward three I think

547
00:27:37,830 --> 00:27:41,590
Just to make an observation. It's not this city council

548
00:27:41,590 --> 00:27:46,390
Excuse me, it's not this city council who would be driving you out of Lebanon.

549
00:27:46,990 --> 00:27:50,570
It's the state tax policy that's determined by the state legislature.

550
00:27:51,590 --> 00:27:57,670
And this city and its legislature legislator state legislators have a long tradition of supporting

551
00:27:57,670 --> 00:28:02,870
shifting to basing the tax burden on ability to pay your income.

552
00:28:03,530 --> 00:28:07,470
The state has chosen a system to rely on property values.

553
00:28:07,470 --> 00:28:11,850
And so when property values move in your income doesn't move,

554
00:28:12,130 --> 00:28:12,910
it's great problems.

555
00:28:14,130 --> 00:28:16,190
And we have this community has supported,

556
00:28:16,370 --> 00:28:19,250
trying to change that to shift to an income tax

557
00:28:19,250 --> 00:28:22,310
basis for funding public education in particular,

558
00:28:22,970 --> 00:28:25,710
which is two thirds of the overall picture.

559
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:28,370
So unfortunately, what we've just seen

560
00:28:28,370 --> 00:28:32,830
is just a shift from one class of that property,

561
00:28:33,070 --> 00:28:35,810
the commercial sector, to the residential sector,

562
00:28:35,810 --> 00:28:42,150
And it has disconnected from what we're doing in terms of providing, you know, a responsible

563
00:28:42,150 --> 00:28:43,790
level of city services.

564
00:28:44,650 --> 00:28:50,070
So, you know, if the shift had not occurred, your property taxes might have gone up

565
00:28:50,070 --> 00:28:56,570
by from the city share of it, not the school district by 4%, but most people didn't see

566
00:28:56,570 --> 00:29:03,630
a 4% increase, and so it appears that the problems coming from our city spending, but it's

567
00:29:03,630 --> 00:29:10,250
coming from the design of the state tax policy.

568
00:29:10,990 --> 00:29:15,550
We've been advocating for broad-based tax in the state for years to supplement the property

569
00:29:15,550 --> 00:29:21,370
taxes as a source of revenue and literally every state surrounding us as a broad-based tax

570
00:29:21,370 --> 00:29:24,290
with the exception of the answer. Everyone.

571
00:29:26,570 --> 00:29:29,830
Well, those of us on the fixed income are going to be gone.

572
00:29:29,830 --> 00:29:34,550
And also, I think that was kind of the point I wanted to make to, is we hear you.

573
00:29:34,750 --> 00:29:39,270
Well, like, you know, this is something we struggle with throughout the budget process,

574
00:29:39,290 --> 00:29:45,730
throughout the year, with our spending. You know, we know the impact of the system we operate

575
00:29:45,730 --> 00:29:50,770
in on the people who live here. And it's tough. And it's that it's a balancing act where really

576
00:29:50,770 --> 00:29:57,310
we're trying to kind of walk that tight road. And so that's why you see we're looking for more

577
00:29:57,310 --> 00:29:59,970
more grants, we're borrowing to met.

578
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:27,040
It's essentially our payments to the life of what we're trying to build for capital. We're looking at ways to minimize costs and extend out, you know, like the working lives of our capital. So like some of the presentations we had were, you know, how can we maintain a roads differently. So instead of repaving them every 10 years can we, I'm going to get this a little bit wrong, but like essentially resurface them. So that instead of having to repave every 10 years, it's every 15 or 20.

579
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:34,060
And I think this is the work that we're really trying to do right now with this city and

580
00:30:34,060 --> 00:30:39,280
our departments to really make sure that we're kind of minimizing the overall cost as much

581
00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:45,040
as possible while still maintaining the resources necessary for everyone to kind of live and operate

582
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:45,440
in here.

583
00:30:45,660 --> 00:30:46,260
And it's hard.

584
00:30:46,780 --> 00:30:52,000
And I feel I got the same evaluation and sure a lot of people did.

585
00:30:53,120 --> 00:31:07,020
My assessment went up by 50% over at the last assessment give or take a few percentage points and it's hard and I recognize that it's even harder for people living on fixed income.

586
00:31:07,100 --> 00:31:21,000
And I think we all do and it's something I don't want you to think that we don't take that seriously because we do and it's it's hard and we don't we don't want to push anyone out of their homes and we you know

587
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,640
Within the scope that we can control, we try to minimize our impact.

588
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:37,000
You know, and the downside of that is, you know, the property taxes are paying for the schools, the county, the city, the state, and no one really has a good answer for it.

589
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:43,700
So I know that it's kind of cold comfort when you've had to pay your property tax pay, but we are looking at it and we do hear you.

590
00:31:43,860 --> 00:31:45,540
And I just want you to know you are heard.

591
00:31:45,540 --> 00:31:47,360
Okay, well, thank you for your time.

592
00:31:47,620 --> 00:31:49,880
Thank you. Yes, sir.

593
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:52,640
Oh, you joined.

594
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:54,660
17 troops were prone.

595
00:31:55,380 --> 00:31:58,100
And I just want, you know, first off, grateful for your service.

596
00:31:58,340 --> 00:32:00,500
I know it's, uh, I guess, four, three hours.

597
00:32:01,820 --> 00:32:02,360
I'm sorry.

598
00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:04,100
I can barely hear you.

599
00:32:04,100 --> 00:32:05,980
Can you miss date, your name?

600
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:06,900
John.

601
00:32:07,820 --> 00:32:08,480
Trooper Croden.

602
00:32:09,540 --> 00:32:13,640
So, uh, my, one of my concerns is, first off,

603
00:32:13,820 --> 00:32:14,940
I love this town.

604
00:32:14,940 --> 00:32:22,570
great town. My taxes went up pretty broadly. I'm not going anywhere. I'll find some way to do it.

605
00:32:23,940 --> 00:32:30,010
But a couple of the things that I'm kind of concerned about. Number one is the

606
00:32:30,420 --> 00:32:35,780
window of time to request an abatement in my opinion was very short-sighted

607
00:32:35,780 --> 00:32:41,940
the point where I was out at town for five weeks. So I missed that window or perhaps maybe I didn't

608
00:32:41,940 --> 00:32:44,760
and I'll have an opportunity to request an abatement.

609
00:32:45,700 --> 00:32:49,160
The second thing is, if you could explain exactly

610
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,660
how the assessment worked, did people actually

611
00:32:52,660 --> 00:32:55,860
was it boots to the ground or was it software orientated?

612
00:32:56,300 --> 00:32:59,400
Because I can tell you the comparative analysis

613
00:32:59,400 --> 00:33:06,940
that I have done do not warrant the shocking reassessment

614
00:33:06,940 --> 00:33:11,560
that has occurred on my home as compared to the neighbors.

615
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,420
It just doesn't add up.

616
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,540
So if you could address those two things first off,

617
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,480
the short window on the ability to request an abatement

618
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,960
and is that installed and is that set by a state law?

619
00:33:25,520 --> 00:33:28,640
And the second thing is that just educating me

620
00:33:28,640 --> 00:33:31,820
on how the assessment process worked.

621
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,400
Totally off-kilter.

622
00:33:35,700 --> 00:33:37,000
The pink trash bag thing.

623
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:38,760
Yeah, that's just crazy.

624
00:33:39,260 --> 00:33:40,320
And I really hope.

625
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,220
We'll be going there in next year.

626
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:44,900
A little bit of a gutting discussion next.

627
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:45,240
Great.

628
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,520
Just as long as the constituents have a right to voice

629
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:48,860
heard.

630
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:50,600
Yeah, that's.

631
00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:52,500
But before you go too far there, but.

632
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,260
So first is the.

633
00:33:55,300 --> 00:33:56,420
Those were informally hearings.

634
00:33:56,500 --> 00:33:57,600
Those were not a baby processes.

635
00:33:58,260 --> 00:34:01,000
So that you had when I sent the letter out to do that, you can come

636
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,180
and see the assessment to do that.

637
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:04,340
A baby is on March 15th.

638
00:34:04,420 --> 00:34:06,180
So you have so much 15th to do that.

639
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:07,340
And that is by state law.

640
00:34:07,420 --> 00:34:08,840
So you have plenty of opportunity to do that.

641
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:13,620
And it's you can either look it up on our website or call the assessing department they'll help you out with the forms that you do that.

642
00:34:13,680 --> 00:34:16,120
What's somebody going to be looking at, she's very helpful.

643
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:18,240
So that's the first part.

644
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:21,840
And revaluations are, it's not a software exercise.

645
00:34:22,220 --> 00:34:24,540
It's they look at the market values for the different types of home.

646
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:25,520
They don't go to the house.

647
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:27,040
We do every year.

648
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:28,380
We do 20% of the city.

649
00:34:28,660 --> 00:34:29,880
It's called a cyclical evaluation.

650
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,880
That's how those are done in the old days.

651
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:34,660
And somewhat old.

652
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,480
They used to go to every single house every five years.

653
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:41,220
So we do it on a different base. We do it every year. Let's almost communities do it now

654
00:34:41,220 --> 00:34:45,820
So every year 20% of the house is you're done and we pick up the new sales that are occur

655
00:34:45,820 --> 00:34:51,020
So they go on a look at those and also if you get a building permit and you add something they'll go up and look at that

656
00:34:51,020 --> 00:34:53,500
And the change the assessment evaluation. That's how those are done

657
00:34:56,740 --> 00:34:58,440
Anyone else in the audience here

658
00:34:59,980 --> 00:35:01,740
question comment anyone

659
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:07,380
Okay, we'll go to the online audience Mary Davis Mary Davis

660
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:18,060
Yeah, thank you. I have a couple of concerns. One, of course, is the rise, the huge rise in the property taxes.

661
00:35:19,860 --> 00:35:33,920
I am on pretty much a limited income, and my taxes went up $2,000. That's more than I can really stomach here. It's not good.

662
00:35:33,920 --> 00:35:42,240
I want to know what kind of help you're offering for all of us to help us pay our taxes.

663
00:35:43,020 --> 00:35:49,280
I'm 76 years old. Do I qualify for any kind of assistance here?

664
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:59,180
And how do I go about getting that? And the other piece of this is the trailer that I owned

665
00:35:59,180 --> 00:36:09,760
is a 51 years old. It was assessed two years ago at $24,000. It's a two-bedroom one-bath trailer.

666
00:36:10,240 --> 00:36:15,700
This year it went to 44,400. I mean that's absurd.

667
00:36:18,060 --> 00:36:24,640
And it's not sustainable for us. So where's some help?

668
00:36:26,020 --> 00:36:29,900
So a couple of things, if you choose to apply for an elderly exemption, you would do that

669
00:36:29,900 --> 00:36:33,520
from the assessing department, you would do that online, come in, or talk to the folks

670
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,880
in assessing, they can assist you with that, and those I think are due by April 1st of

671
00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:38,480
each year.

672
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,040
So that's how you would do that particular process.

673
00:36:41,320 --> 00:36:44,320
We've got similar questions to ask, what can you reduce the interest rate?

674
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:46,700
We cannot, interest rate is set by state statute.

675
00:36:47,140 --> 00:36:51,800
Taxes to do within 30 days, if they're not paid within 30 days, then the 8% goes on

676
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,020
that, for any amount that's not paid.

677
00:36:54,300 --> 00:36:55,560
That's by state law, it says,

678
00:36:55,740 --> 00:36:57,720
shall we do not have any option in that matter?

679
00:36:58,140 --> 00:37:00,180
And that question has come up with several different people.

680
00:37:01,060 --> 00:37:02,960
Nehamsher is not a home rule state.

681
00:37:03,140 --> 00:37:04,400
It is a Dillon's rule state.

682
00:37:04,500 --> 00:37:07,200
In other words, municipalities can only do those things

683
00:37:07,200 --> 00:37:09,800
that the legislature specifically allows them to do.

684
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:12,400
And in Nehamsher, people think we have local control.

685
00:37:12,540 --> 00:37:13,060
We really don't.

686
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:14,700
Again, we can only do those things

687
00:37:14,700 --> 00:37:16,420
that the legislature says we can do.

688
00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:18,020
They set the law in taxation.

689
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,440
And it's very clear we do not have any options to wave that.

690
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:42,880
So, the other thing, Ms. Davis, is the gentleman before you was talking about, you know, deadlines for appealing your assessment, and so that's another potential avenue if you think the assessment is really too high, there is a mechanism to appeal that as well as the elderly exemption.

691
00:37:44,220 --> 00:37:53,280
Let me ask you, I know that in the past few weeks and months, we read that there are corporations

692
00:37:53,280 --> 00:38:00,680
that are trying to get permits and everything to build these mega apartment buildings and

693
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,060
stuff in the area.

694
00:38:02,900 --> 00:38:11,800
Now, if that were to come to fruition, the one by the old IGA, that tells you how long

695
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:16,160
I've been here and the one out by the high school and everything.

696
00:38:16,420 --> 00:38:21,660
If those mega apartment buildings came to fruition, what would that do to our taxes?

697
00:38:22,540 --> 00:38:23,540
Would that help?

698
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:30,040
So it might, so last year we had $40 million of new construction in the city.

699
00:38:30,660 --> 00:38:34,940
So that goes into the overall tax rate and it helps to abate the rate for everybody else because

700
00:38:34,940 --> 00:38:37,420
it's $40 million worth of new value.

701
00:38:37,420 --> 00:38:42,600
So those two large projects will certainly be assessed

702
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,480
that many millions of dollars.

703
00:38:45,140 --> 00:38:48,720
And that will bring in additional tax revenue,

704
00:38:49,900 --> 00:38:53,600
which under ideal conditions would certainly serve

705
00:38:53,600 --> 00:38:56,120
to a bait taxes for everyone else,

706
00:38:56,280 --> 00:39:00,480
because it's obviously more value over the same budget

707
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,080
basically, or within a few percent of the same budget.

708
00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:07,120
So the question becomes, with residential projects,

709
00:39:07,120 --> 00:39:12,700
like that, it's largely whether or not it generates a lot of school children.

710
00:39:13,500 --> 00:39:21,660
So, as someone mentioned here, you know, over 50% of the tax bills, essentially of the

711
00:39:21,660 --> 00:39:24,700
of the tax money we have to raise from taxes, is for the school district.

712
00:39:25,640 --> 00:39:30,500
And so, if you have a development, for example, that includes a lot of studios and one bedrooms,

713
00:39:30,500 --> 00:39:34,360
those are much less likely to generate school-aged children.

714
00:39:35,020 --> 00:39:40,720
Therefore, they have a better chance of generating essentially a surplus for lack of a better term.

715
00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:47,500
Of taxes in as opposed to the cost to the city of that new development.

716
00:39:48,260 --> 00:39:54,060
So, it's largely dependent on the number of bedrooms, essentially, in each new apartment.

717
00:39:54,320 --> 00:39:58,440
And most of the apartments that have been constructed over the last decade,

718
00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:02,340
and there have been well over a thousand in Lebanon.

719
00:40:03,620 --> 00:40:05,560
Have been studios, ones, and two.

720
00:40:06,300 --> 00:40:11,420
So we haven't seen that bump in the number of school-aged children.

721
00:40:12,100 --> 00:40:15,940
So presumably those developments are generating taxes,

722
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,300
which exceed their cost to the community,

723
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,380
and therefore they're helping everybody else.

724
00:40:22,100 --> 00:40:23,500
Whether that continues or not.

725
00:40:23,500 --> 00:40:33,420
Right, of course, the downside of that too is that you get infrastructure expense too with traffic and all that.

726
00:40:34,180 --> 00:40:47,860
So my other concern is that with the prices of property taxes and everything going up that 11 is going to become a bedroom community for the wealthy.

727
00:40:47,860 --> 00:40:54,820
And those of us in middle and lower income are just going to be pushed right on out.

728
00:40:56,020 --> 00:41:02,300
I know I've heard, I've heard you all evening about it's not us, it's the state and all.

729
00:41:02,740 --> 00:41:17,060
But it just seems to me that we have to push a lot harder to get some changes because this is not sustainable for a good portion of us and I thank you for listening.

730
00:41:17,060 --> 00:41:27,960
You're absolutely right, Mr. Davis, absolutely right, and that's why we will continue to advocate for a taxation system in this state that is more equitable and less

731
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:42,940
Progressive than what we have now. You know, we fully recognize that, you know, property taxes are a particularly regressive form of tax, particularly as those of us get older and begin to go on on, you know, fixed incomes and I've certainly fit into that category.

732
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:48,480
It's just, it's just, it's the worst possible kind of tax you can have, but unfortunately

733
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,620
it's what you have in New Hampshire, but thank you for your comments, really appreciate

734
00:41:51,620 --> 00:41:52,540
it.

735
00:41:57,120 --> 00:41:58,160
Anyone else online?

736
00:41:59,720 --> 00:42:00,520
Not seeing anyone?

737
00:42:04,070 --> 00:42:08,550
Then we will close the public hearing on this.

738
00:42:09,850 --> 00:42:16,070
Councils, we spent months and months and months talking about this to come to tonight.

739
00:42:16,070 --> 00:42:16,730
You know,

740
00:42:18,770 --> 00:42:39,510
it's always a very difficult, I'm a year, the process for acting on this year's budget is in the packet, and it consists of a series of resolutions, as you know, and I'll let the manager expand on this however he needs to.

741
00:42:40,170 --> 00:42:42,270
We have 1, 2, 3,

742
00:42:44,970 --> 00:42:56,070
8, 8 resolutions, 9 resolutions that we have to act on independently to move this budget forward.

743
00:42:57,910 --> 00:43:05,350
So the first resolution is resolved for the purposes of authorizing and financing the general fund budget.

744
00:43:05,350 --> 00:43:20,170
So this deals with the $38 million, $388 million, $372,240 for the general fund budget, and that's the first thing we have to act on if we're going to act on something.

745
00:43:21,090 --> 00:43:21,930
So, Councillor Sykes.

746
00:43:23,070 --> 00:43:23,950
Thank you, Mr. Mayor.

747
00:43:24,370 --> 00:43:27,590
I just want to have it clear in my head to about process.

748
00:43:28,030 --> 00:43:28,130
Absolutely.

749
00:43:29,990 --> 00:43:37,650
We can individual Councillors can make, I'm asking, I'm not saying I want to make sure I get this right.

750
00:43:38,310 --> 00:43:43,750
An individual Councillor could make a motion that would affect that resolution.

751
00:43:44,470 --> 00:43:45,270
That is correct.

752
00:43:45,290 --> 00:43:49,750
We can do that before we make the resolution and before we vote on it.

753
00:43:49,770 --> 00:43:50,430
That is correct.

754
00:43:51,310 --> 00:43:56,790
Oh, in the past we've, in the past we've adopted the resolution and then made amendments.

755
00:43:56,790 --> 00:44:00,490
You might certainly do that as well, but either one is permissible though.

756
00:44:00,810 --> 00:44:06,530
Okay, I don't, frankly, I don't, I don't particularly care how we do it as long as the

757
00:44:06,530 --> 00:44:13,350
opportunity to make motions because I'm aware of at least one motion that will be made, and there may be others.

758
00:44:14,790 --> 00:44:19,410
So, you can either way think council heels right, probably the cleanest way you're due to student amendment.

759
00:44:20,070 --> 00:44:20,930
I'd like to offer the motion.

760
00:44:22,310 --> 00:44:36,210
I'll move the, I'll move passage of resolution number one to appropriate 38,372,240 dollars for general city operations resolved for the purpose of authorizing and financing the general fund budget.

761
00:44:36,530 --> 00:44:44,890
Be it further resolved by the city of Lebanon that funds be raised and appropriated in the amount of 38,372,240 dollars.

762
00:44:44,890 --> 00:44:46,690
This resolution shall be effective.

763
00:44:47,190 --> 00:44:49,430
January 1, 2023.

764
00:44:49,990 --> 00:44:50,490
A good council.

765
00:44:50,610 --> 00:44:52,250
Hello, is there a second term motion?

766
00:44:54,900 --> 00:44:56,540
Yes, council, what else are these seconds?

767
00:44:58,160 --> 00:44:59,860
Discussion and possible amendment.

768
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:16,900
So, one of the things that I wanted to bring to the Council's attention, I had a really good discussion with Jean Robelod from Tri-County Cap, when they initially requested funding from the city, which I denied, because we couldn't come to resolution on the issues of the welcoming lemon ordinance CO185.

769
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:24,560
I was able to work with Jean, we were able to look at the contract lanes they had in their contracts with the state and in the federal government.

770
00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:30,680
And we both feel comfortable that they can do, they can meet their mission, and they can meet the statutory requirements they have.

771
00:45:30,860 --> 00:45:37,340
At the same time, they can meet our requirements, because we do require social service agencies to sign an agreement with us,

772
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,520
that they are willing to comply with the provisions of that particular ordinance.

773
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,620
And Gene feels comfortable that they can do that, we review that language.

774
00:45:45,360 --> 00:45:49,860
So I denied that request. Once I submit a budget, I don't have the ability to go and change that it's up to you.

775
00:45:49,860 --> 00:45:54,720
So I would suggest, I would recommend that you add that money back in to programs they have,

776
00:45:54,720 --> 00:45:59,940
they provided this city, a very valuable on the human resource, human services, I'm sorry.

777
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:01,700
Very valuable to us.

778
00:46:02,240 --> 00:46:05,480
They are the lead agency that gets the funding from the state, well, from the federal government

779
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:08,260
to the state, and that it gets distributed to the towns and cities.

780
00:46:08,820 --> 00:46:14,600
And I think that we have made considerable progress, Gene and I, and getting us in a direction

781
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:19,460
that we want to be in in terms of working cooperatively to achieve the public goals

782
00:46:19,460 --> 00:46:21,900
we're looking for, especially for those who can at least,

783
00:46:21,900 --> 00:46:24,660
at least afford help in our community that need

784
00:46:24,660 --> 00:46:28,160
a few assistants, they have, with a resation program,

785
00:46:28,420 --> 00:46:31,100
they distribute the funds that you wrap funds

786
00:46:31,100 --> 00:46:33,340
as you know, and other programs that they have.

787
00:46:33,540 --> 00:46:35,520
So I would recommend that you do that again.

788
00:46:35,620 --> 00:46:37,120
I can't do that at this point in a process,

789
00:46:37,260 --> 00:46:39,080
but I recommend that somebody here to do that.

790
00:46:39,340 --> 00:46:41,760
And that is $28,000, I think it's like $600,000,

791
00:46:41,780 --> 00:46:42,200
what the total amount of time.

792
00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:44,960
Oh, $0,000, $0,000, yeah, it's $500, something,

793
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,520
but I like clean numbers, $600,000, $600.

794
00:46:48,520 --> 00:46:56,360
And again, I denied that because I needed to, they weren't, you know, try kind of cap was not didn't feel like I can apply with it, but again, now they feel that they can.

795
00:46:57,580 --> 00:46:59,040
Questions, that counts what is it?

796
00:46:59,220 --> 00:47:09,720
Given some of the presentations we've heard wouldn't it be more cost-effective for us to just bump that up to our own shelter increases?

797
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:13,940
We got much better rates at the hotels than they did.

798
00:47:13,940 --> 00:47:16,820
No, they're distributing federal funds.

799
00:47:16,940 --> 00:47:19,220
We don't have any control over that piece of that.

800
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:25,140
And the recent legislation that was just passed has caps on that now, if that's using

801
00:47:25,140 --> 00:47:27,280
a different pot of money that the state has.

802
00:47:27,740 --> 00:47:33,440
So again, they provide a whole lot of other programs to us than that, so it's a totally different

803
00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:33,780
thing.

804
00:47:33,900 --> 00:47:36,340
It's kind of apples and oranges, is what I would recommend to you.

805
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:37,780
And a question.

806
00:47:38,780 --> 00:47:39,920
So, and one more thing on the server clear.

807
00:47:40,420 --> 00:47:42,900
We cannot provide the breadth of services that they provide.

808
00:47:42,900 --> 00:47:47,640
we can't do that on our own, that's why it's important to partner with us as we do with

809
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:52,220
the other social services agencies. They do these things much better than we do, far more

810
00:47:52,220 --> 00:47:56,480
effectively than we can. There are things that we do well, things that they do well, and we

811
00:47:56,480 --> 00:48:03,740
should continue that partnership, I would suggest. So for the $28,600 that we would ride to

812
00:48:03,740 --> 00:48:11,240
electronic county cap, will that take any of the pressure off our existing human services

813
00:48:11,240 --> 00:48:17,460
department in terms of staff time that they're spending now or services that we're providing

814
00:48:17,460 --> 00:48:17,960
directly.

815
00:48:18,800 --> 00:48:24,000
I'm confident that with the level of cooperation that we certainly have seen recently, Jean has

816
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:29,000
been sharing information with Lynn, which has been really helpful with the wrap around type

817
00:48:29,000 --> 00:48:30,280
of services that we're looking at.

818
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,680
I'm very optimistic that that is going to work out very well for us.

819
00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:38,100
If you looked at the numbers, you don't actually have them, but the numbers are pretty

820
00:48:38,100 --> 00:48:39,440
stark compared to what they're providing.

821
00:48:39,700 --> 00:48:44,280
This city compared to the other communities, the pre-large, millions of dollars of services

822
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:48,600
that are being redistributed from the federal and state government right into our own community

823
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:50,100
and it all comes through them.

824
00:48:50,340 --> 00:48:56,000
So we're comfortable and confident that this investment will actually result in more funds

825
00:48:56,000 --> 00:49:00,120
and we're investing because it will allow that pipeline to be opened up through

826
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:01,080
Tri-CountyCap.

827
00:49:01,620 --> 00:49:06,540
And again, there'll be an agreement for services to that, you know, we had one agreement

828
00:49:06,540 --> 00:49:09,000
we had with all of our social service agencies last year.

829
00:49:09,180 --> 00:49:14,920
There'll be a new agreement this year and that further tightens that the city provides money

830
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:18,360
and to these organizations and we just read a chat to them.

831
00:49:18,680 --> 00:49:21,760
There's no grant requirements and that is changing.

832
00:49:22,300 --> 00:49:26,020
The federal government requires has requirements in April and they distribute money.

833
00:49:26,360 --> 00:49:26,900
The state does.

834
00:49:27,060 --> 00:49:28,280
The city has never done that.

835
00:49:28,660 --> 00:49:29,560
A lot of cities do.

836
00:49:29,780 --> 00:49:30,000
We don't.

837
00:49:30,140 --> 00:49:31,180
But we are doing that now.

838
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:35,260
And that's what we have agreements with these agencies and that provide a certain level of service.

839
00:49:35,900 --> 00:49:37,160
So we can monitor that.

840
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:38,280
And they provide stats to us.

841
00:49:38,420 --> 00:49:39,580
They provide audits to us.

842
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:41,620
So we have good data from them.

843
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:45,040
I have a couple of questions.

844
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:45,880
We'll have the answers.

845
00:49:48,720 --> 00:49:49,160
Yeah.

846
00:49:52,430 --> 00:49:54,770
These microphones, they always throw me for a loop.

847
00:49:57,430 --> 00:50:03,590
has someone prepared a motion to address this issue for tonight?

848
00:50:03,970 --> 00:50:06,890
Well, the only thing that you would do is you would increase the budget by that amount,

849
00:50:06,970 --> 00:50:08,370
that it has just gave you $28,600.

850
00:50:08,670 --> 00:50:11,150
And it doesn't have to be attributed to one place or another?

851
00:50:11,570 --> 00:50:14,310
No, because I decide how money spent once you've appropriate a bottom line,

852
00:50:14,410 --> 00:50:17,990
budget of $38,38,372,240.

853
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:20,490
So we would say what it's worth.

854
00:50:21,450 --> 00:50:24,030
We would say what it's worth.

855
00:50:24,030 --> 00:50:41,330
So, before that motion is made, one of the observations I would make that was slightly different from the manages perspective is that I would, I would be in support of adding this twenty eight thousand dollars into the budget.

856
00:50:42,510 --> 00:50:47,050
I'm pleased, very pleased, to hear the progress that's being made.

857
00:50:49,070 --> 00:51:00,630
But I also, and I see the $28,000 as an opportunity to further strengthen the kinds of

858
00:51:00,630 --> 00:51:05,910
cooperation and relationship building that we need to make with Tri-Conic App, and use

859
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:11,190
their resources to help us answer many of the types of issues that the city faces, whether

860
00:51:11,190 --> 00:51:39,530
It's homelessness or fuel assistance or weatherization or in some other parts of the, you know, the county might be transportation, but I see it as an important goal, but I do not see it as being mutually exclusive that is going to fix some of the other substantive concerns I have about the level of resources we're making available for human services.

861
00:51:39,530 --> 00:51:46,750
So, with that in mind, I'm hopeful that someone would make a motion.

862
00:51:47,870 --> 00:51:48,350
All amendment.

863
00:51:49,190 --> 00:51:49,510
Mm-hmm.

864
00:51:49,530 --> 00:51:49,850
And amendment.

865
00:51:50,050 --> 00:51:51,030
Thank you.

866
00:51:51,390 --> 00:51:52,310
So this would be a motion to.

867
00:51:52,910 --> 00:51:58,030
I just wanted to add on to that because I agree with Councillor Sykes.

868
00:51:58,030 --> 00:52:01,990
I think this is definitely a worthwhile addition to the budget.

869
00:52:02,150 --> 00:52:08,630
I think it's important that we continue to foster and rebuild that.

870
00:52:08,630 --> 00:52:17,750
that connection. I'm not confident that that would fully address or even

871
00:52:17,750 --> 00:52:25,370
substantively mitigate the concerns that we're seeing, I think, as we had

872
00:52:25,370 --> 00:52:34,650
recently discussed, the looming crisis of ending government funds, it sounds like

873
00:52:34,650 --> 00:52:37,910
that's going to be a particularly onerous problem

874
00:52:37,910 --> 00:52:40,210
by government funds, of course, I mean federal.

875
00:52:41,950 --> 00:52:44,890
I think that's going to continue to be an onerous problem,

876
00:52:44,890 --> 00:52:50,070
not only in terms of how we support those individuals

877
00:52:50,070 --> 00:52:54,530
who need assistance financially,

878
00:52:54,690 --> 00:53:00,390
but also the task of the administrative side of that.

879
00:53:00,390 --> 00:53:08,070
And as much as $28,600 sounds like it'll be a great investment

880
00:53:08,070 --> 00:53:18,910
in our collaboration with tri-county cab, I reflect on the need

881
00:53:18,910 --> 00:53:25,830
that we have in this community that I think very easily could far exceed

882
00:53:25,830 --> 00:53:37,810
what that would bring to us even on a one-to-one return on investment, even on greater than a one-to-one return on investment.

883
00:53:38,710 --> 00:53:51,890
So I'm optimistic about it, but also concerned that it may not be enough, I'm not.

884
00:53:51,890 --> 00:53:54,290
that I have following up on that,

885
00:53:56,370 --> 00:54:04,110
were we confident in a loss of some level of service

886
00:54:04,110 --> 00:54:12,950
that we are now confident in having as a result of this $28,000 edition, or have the other

887
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:19,650
discussions that we've had to date recognize that we still may be getting assistance from

888
00:54:19,650 --> 00:54:24,930
county cap and still seeing these potential and actual crises.

889
00:54:26,430 --> 00:54:28,790
So, they're not going to, they already provide the service.

890
00:54:28,830 --> 00:54:30,250
They didn't cut off the service.

891
00:54:30,470 --> 00:54:32,470
They were providing the city when they didn't get funding from the city.

892
00:54:33,290 --> 00:54:35,550
They are funded mostly by federal sources.

893
00:54:35,770 --> 00:54:36,570
They're funded by donations.

894
00:54:36,850 --> 00:54:37,710
And they're funded by municipalities.

895
00:54:38,050 --> 00:54:41,530
And I think there might be one one right now that's not providing any funding to them.

896
00:54:41,530 --> 00:54:44,010
And it helps set their administrative costs to do that.

897
00:54:44,330 --> 00:54:48,950
So, basically, we were not providing any assistance to them to do the work that they were doing here.

898
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:52,510
It's like we do the other social service agencies, so that's what we're doing.

899
00:54:52,870 --> 00:54:57,730
Tomorrow, you're not going to be a big van from this, it's trying to kind of cat that's going to roll up.

900
00:54:58,250 --> 00:55:02,290
And then, you know, the people that are in dire straits are all of a sudden going to disappear,

901
00:55:03,110 --> 00:55:05,410
and their problems are going to go with that's certainly not the case.

902
00:55:05,830 --> 00:55:11,210
So this actually provides the level of service we used to provide every year and a regular basis to them.

903
00:55:11,290 --> 00:55:14,230
And I think it's two dollars per person, what is it quates to.

904
00:55:14,290 --> 00:55:16,510
That's how they figure that fact around each community.

905
00:55:16,510 --> 00:55:18,570
And that's what that does.

906
00:55:18,970 --> 00:55:21,890
So they haven't stopped providing any service towards the whole time.

907
00:55:22,190 --> 00:55:22,450
Thank you.

908
00:55:22,630 --> 00:55:31,230
So it doesn't necessarily mitigate the problems that we're seeing, however, it does rebuild

909
00:55:31,230 --> 00:55:32,090
this relationship.

910
00:55:32,230 --> 00:55:36,110
And that's the important part of the sharing of information, because we really only

911
00:55:36,110 --> 00:55:37,110
need to be working together.

912
00:55:37,430 --> 00:55:38,550
This limited funds out there.

913
00:55:38,570 --> 00:55:42,930
And when we use those funds wisely, and we do it cooperatively, the public gets the best

914
00:55:42,930 --> 00:55:44,010
benefit from that.

915
00:55:44,010 --> 00:55:46,970
And I think that a stronger relationship with Cap,

916
00:55:46,970 --> 00:55:48,710
which I think we're on the verge of getting,

917
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:50,910
is the way for us to go.

918
00:55:51,410 --> 00:55:54,590
This helps them offset their costs as it has in the past.

919
00:55:55,330 --> 00:55:57,250
And Ms. May, I wouldn't as my turn.

920
00:55:57,350 --> 00:55:58,330
I have another question.

921
00:55:59,770 --> 00:56:05,230
I was just going to make sure that we can make an amendment

922
00:56:05,830 --> 00:56:09,950
adding this money in, but that further amendments,

923
00:56:10,390 --> 00:56:12,190
either adding or taking away money

924
00:56:12,190 --> 00:56:15,930
are still available to the council as choices.

925
00:56:17,150 --> 00:56:17,770
Councilor Hill.

926
00:56:17,930 --> 00:56:18,310
Yeah.

927
00:56:18,310 --> 00:56:28,420
I'll move to amend the main motion to add $28,600 to be for tri-county camp.

928
00:56:30,170 --> 00:56:31,410
I'll second that.

929
00:56:33,050 --> 00:56:33,550
There you go.

930
00:56:33,710 --> 00:56:34,970
Here, a little quick in the night.

931
00:56:36,390 --> 00:56:38,430
Discussion on the amendment, proposed amendment.

932
00:56:39,710 --> 00:56:39,830
Yes.

933
00:56:40,150 --> 00:56:40,550
Councilor Wilson.

934
00:56:40,550 --> 00:56:48,070
I guess given our recent experience, I'm not convinced this does what's being proposed.

935
00:56:49,330 --> 00:57:04,890
Like we've heard of how much extra work, the frankly, the lack of good documentation around services being provided in the lack of data sharing with people in a time of intense need has caused.

936
00:57:04,890 --> 00:57:11,490
I mean, and that was before the FOIA request, which is going to cost us what $80,000 now.

937
00:57:11,590 --> 00:57:13,050
I'll let FOIA request no longer exist.

938
00:57:13,310 --> 00:57:16,230
Okay, so that's good information to have.

939
00:57:16,510 --> 00:57:31,990
I'm just, I'm concerned about a potential pattern of behavior that I, like, I don't necessarily know how comfortable I feel throwing money at something hoping to get a result without like a clear plan.

940
00:57:31,990 --> 00:57:40,970
And I just, you know, $28,000 does not solve some of what I feel like our root cause issues.

941
00:57:41,490 --> 00:57:46,690
Again, poor documentation, poor data sharing, poor support.

942
00:57:47,050 --> 00:57:52,530
I hear you that it helps repair some of the relationship and that can help build some of that.

943
00:57:52,930 --> 00:58:00,790
But frankly, I'm concerned that that's a prerequisite because to me, the mission of Tri-County

944
00:58:00,790 --> 00:58:06,250
cap and not knowing their inner workings as well as others may.

945
00:58:06,870 --> 00:58:14,150
But to me the mission of tri-county cap would, in a sense, morally or ethically require

946
00:58:14,150 --> 00:58:17,250
them to provide that information to us to help those people.

947
00:58:17,610 --> 00:58:22,470
And it just doesn't feel like that's being done, so I'm concerned about spending more

948
00:58:22,470 --> 00:58:28,390
money when we were considering an entire FTE for human services to essentially address the

949
00:58:28,390 --> 00:58:30,770
problem that that lack of sharing costs.

950
00:58:31,550 --> 00:58:34,610
So let me give you my perspective on this because, you know,

951
00:58:34,630 --> 00:58:39,170
I've been preskeptical of our relationship with them.

952
00:58:40,970 --> 00:58:44,050
Based on the manager's meeting with their CEO,

953
00:58:45,550 --> 00:58:52,430
I think that this is an important step on our part

954
00:58:53,470 --> 00:58:56,190
to, in effect, hold them accountable to say, look,

955
00:58:56,190 --> 00:58:59,910
Despite everything you've done, we would like to repair

956
00:59:00,570 --> 00:59:02,650
and resuscitate this relationship.

957
00:59:03,710 --> 00:59:06,150
We're willing to consider your request this year.

958
00:59:07,050 --> 00:59:08,190
We may add it to the budget.

959
00:59:08,650 --> 00:59:09,670
You may not.

960
00:59:11,150 --> 00:59:13,850
But I think it's pretty clear to them

961
00:59:13,850 --> 00:59:16,150
that this is, well, it's not in writing.

962
00:59:16,370 --> 00:59:19,450
It's pretty clear to them that future contributions

963
00:59:19,450 --> 00:59:22,550
to their budget and ensuing budgets, city budgets,

964
00:59:22,550 --> 00:59:27,450
are really very dependent upon their performance in this upcoming year.

965
00:59:28,330 --> 00:59:31,450
So, for my perspective, it's an investment worth making,

966
00:59:32,030 --> 00:59:36,450
but it's made with the understanding that if there isn't a significant change

967
00:59:37,010 --> 00:59:42,370
in their level of cooperation with the city over the next fiscal year,

968
00:59:42,670 --> 00:59:45,090
it would be pretty hard to justify it the following year.

969
00:59:45,930 --> 00:59:48,250
So, that's where I stand on at this point.

970
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:49,350
Yes, council will be.

971
00:59:49,350 --> 00:59:59,970
I just want to speak to agree with you, Mr. Mayer, and that I don't necessarily see this.

972
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:08,400
As a substitute for that discussion that we've had about adding more support to human services,

973
01:00:08,860 --> 01:00:23,840
I still believe that is something that's desperately needed. I also don't necessarily see this as money that we are generously offering unsolicited.

974
01:00:23,840 --> 01:00:27,400
this is something that had previously been removed

975
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:31,920
from the budget, because the organization didn't comply.

976
01:00:32,180 --> 01:00:36,840
And so it seems to me fair that we're putting it back in.

977
01:00:36,840 --> 01:00:39,040
I appreciate the mayor's characterization

978
01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,880
that this isn't necessarily precedent setting,

979
01:00:42,560 --> 01:00:46,540
that we are expecting to see that increased,

980
01:00:46,940 --> 01:00:50,280
that that result of an improved relationship,

981
01:00:51,460 --> 01:01:07,800
and that we may continue to examine whether the relationship is sufficient to warrant that

982
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:13,880
contribution from our community. It does sound like this is absolutely a worthwhile contribution

983
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:20,320
and it sounds like we are continuing to receive valuable support from them, but it also sounds

984
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:29,540
like this is not something that either we were factoring out of our community's needs

985
01:01:29,540 --> 01:01:35,880
when we were talking about the additional support for human services, nor does it sound like

986
01:01:35,880 --> 01:01:43,440
This is a generous, generous donation on our part, if you will.

987
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:51,120
I would continue to support this amendment, but not to the exclusion of considering additional

988
01:01:51,120 --> 01:02:00,720
support for our own department, which I think will more certainly guarantee that we are

989
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:02,060
actually getting what we need.

990
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:27,860
So I am pretty familiar with what Trich County cap has been doing, and I think what has been lost in part of the shuffle, if you will, is that there is a, they spend a lot of money in this city, and in this lower graft and county, to try and alleviate many different problems.

991
01:02:27,860 --> 01:02:36,020
and I alluded to them earlier, which was weatherization, it was, they provide homeless shelters

992
01:02:36,020 --> 01:02:45,160
elsewhere in the county to help folks that need that kind of help. They also do

993
01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:48,940
sides

994
01:02:48,940 --> 01:02:53,580
weatherization. They do fuel assistance. Thank you, Cliff. I was just trying to pull that back

995
01:02:53,580 --> 01:03:02,420
of the tired brain and I don't think we should lose sight of that and so and there is lots

996
01:03:02,420 --> 01:03:10,620
more that dry county cap could partner with us in the future and that's why I think this

997
01:03:10,620 --> 01:03:18,300
is an incredibly I mean I give credit to the manager and to dry county cap CEO because

998
01:03:18,300 --> 01:03:23,560
they're trying to get to the place where we can solve problems.

999
01:03:24,220 --> 01:03:27,980
I view my role in government, and I think the rest of the U.S.

1000
01:03:27,980 --> 01:03:32,800
will do too, that I spend my time listening to people's problems,

1001
01:03:33,380 --> 01:03:35,940
and then I try to figure out what the solutions might be,

1002
01:03:36,120 --> 01:03:37,440
and act on those solutions.

1003
01:03:37,700 --> 01:03:44,460
And this is a positive step in solving problems that people have.

1004
01:03:44,460 --> 01:03:51,340
And I would strongly encourage the council to approve this amendment.

1005
01:03:52,000 --> 01:03:53,580
Councilor Wittlesy.

1006
01:03:53,940 --> 01:03:57,740
So I hear all that, but I would argue that they are mutually exclusive.

1007
01:03:58,380 --> 01:04:03,720
We, the entire impetus of us discussing what a week or two weeks ago,

1008
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,860
our three, whenever it was, of adding an FTE,

1009
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:14,260
was to provide human services with the time necessary to go out and meet with people

1010
01:04:14,260 --> 01:04:16,540
who are being housed and hotels up here,

1011
01:04:16,860 --> 01:04:19,400
because we had no idea who they were

1012
01:04:19,400 --> 01:04:23,640
where they had been housed from what their plans were.

1013
01:04:24,140 --> 01:04:26,860
That to me is a function of track county cap,

1014
01:04:27,180 --> 01:04:29,520
which I understood when we were looking at an FTE,

1015
01:04:29,540 --> 01:04:30,980
when they weren't working with us,

1016
01:04:31,420 --> 01:04:35,960
but if we're entertaining, providing funds to them,

1017
01:04:36,820 --> 01:04:38,120
then that's their responsibility.

1018
01:04:39,460 --> 01:04:41,860
That negates the need for the FTE

1019
01:04:41,860 --> 01:04:47,100
it in terms of a very specific appropriation.

1020
01:04:48,460 --> 01:04:50,840
Because otherwise, then it just goes into the queue

1021
01:04:50,840 --> 01:04:54,100
to me of where are we going to best invest our resources.

1022
01:04:54,420 --> 01:04:57,420
And frankly, like, so it's, for me, it really is,

1023
01:04:57,460 --> 01:05:00,040
ultimately ends up being one or the other.

1024
01:05:00,340 --> 01:05:04,980
Because we are in critical, you know, cost,

1025
01:05:05,460 --> 01:05:06,200
financial straight.

1026
01:05:06,600 --> 01:05:09,820
So like, I supported the FTE, but to me,

1027
01:05:09,820 --> 01:05:16,940
It's supporting the FTE, or supporting providing those funds to them because this to me is like, again,

1028
01:05:17,480 --> 01:05:23,700
that was their role, try County cap should be filling, that we had to go and find another person

1029
01:05:23,700 --> 01:05:29,400
to help out because our human services department was having to step in and do the work that they weren't doing.

1030
01:05:30,020 --> 01:05:35,760
And that's, so I really have to say, like, you gotta pick one, you can't do both.

1031
01:05:35,760 --> 01:05:39,960
we don't have unlimited funds, and we have to make a choice.

1032
01:05:40,540 --> 01:05:43,820
So I would actually support the FTE, even though I know it's more expensive than the

1033
01:05:43,820 --> 01:05:45,820
Tri-Accounting Cap appropriation.

1034
01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:47,260
I'd rather do it ourselves.

1035
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:57,300
Just an observation that there's a long tradition in New Hampshire municipalities supporting human

1036
01:05:57,300 --> 01:06:04,380
service agencies, because they help relieve municipalities of their constitutional responsibilities

1037
01:06:04,380 --> 01:06:12,020
to take care of the poor, so the way that's worked in towns is that the human

1038
01:06:12,020 --> 01:06:16,340
services agencies would petition to get on the warrant at 10 meetings and get

1039
01:06:16,340 --> 01:06:22,740
appropriations that way. So the city over the years developed a policy to figure

1040
01:06:22,740 --> 01:06:31,780
out how to allocate our funds for human services agencies and try countercap was

1041
01:06:31,780 --> 01:06:36,100
pretty much always part of that mix because they've always provided services to the community.

1042
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:42,920
And at this point, the issue that was otherwise keeping them from being funding has been resolved.

1043
01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:50,780
So it just makes sense to put this back in the budget because it's part of the way our policy

1044
01:06:50,780 --> 01:06:53,140
has been applied administratively.

1045
01:06:53,140 --> 01:06:57,400
It was developed with the city council in a number of years ago with Paul Mayville, but

1046
01:06:57,400 --> 01:07:01,900
but we had a rigor to considering the budget proposals

1047
01:07:01,900 --> 01:07:04,860
and looking at the services they provided for the city

1048
01:07:04,860 --> 01:07:07,720
and how we, along with other municipalities,

1049
01:07:08,340 --> 01:07:10,080
help balance their budget.

1050
01:07:10,700 --> 01:07:13,720
So I just think it's appropriate to put this back in,

1051
01:07:14,100 --> 01:07:16,500
plain and simple regardless of any other issue.

1052
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:18,120
Councillor Wilkie.

1053
01:07:18,820 --> 01:07:19,260
Thank you.

1054
01:07:20,140 --> 01:07:24,920
Also, I agree with that, and also,

1055
01:07:24,920 --> 01:07:47,340
I recognize the concern, I recognize that we need to remain fiscally responsible and be, of course, very sensitive to the potential tax increases that are clearly affecting our residents and, of course, surfacting ourselves as well.

1056
01:07:47,340 --> 01:07:58,960
So that said, I do not see a $28,000 contribution that has previously been provided on some

1057
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:10,100
level as being a sufficient substitute for an FTE in human services and I don't want to

1058
01:08:10,100 --> 01:08:15,400
try to prescribe what I would expect a job description to look like or what I would expect

1059
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:23,240
that position to do because of course that is not the role of the council, but I do recognize that

1060
01:08:24,920 --> 01:08:32,280
to start $28,000 is not sufficient to hire. I would argue just about any FTE that we would

1061
01:08:32,280 --> 01:08:43,160
to be able to effectively serve the city of Lebanon and reside here as we've seen.

1062
01:08:43,460 --> 01:08:51,860
I think we had talked about and are planning to provide a revolving fund to support human

1063
01:08:51,860 --> 01:08:58,740
services, which as I imagine, I know it will be hugely helpful as I imagine it will also be an

1064
01:08:58,740 --> 01:09:09,960
additional administrative expense, the need to outreach to the community at a recent discussion.

1065
01:09:11,700 --> 01:09:21,680
I heard it suggested that we will need at least one FTE in Lebanon to be able to meet the needs

1066
01:09:21,680 --> 01:09:29,860
here potentially more. And I don't see that $28,000, which as we've heard is not going

1067
01:09:29,860 --> 01:09:37,860
to restore any loss service. I don't see that providing an FTE in any instance. And also

1068
01:09:37,860 --> 01:09:44,460
so that people are aware I have just submitted an agenda request that I hope we will discuss

1069
01:09:44,460 --> 01:09:52,720
very soon into the new year, looking at the need that we have discussed for a number of years

1070
01:09:52,720 --> 01:10:00,460
of finding space and opportunity to add a low barrier shelter to the City of Lebanon.

1071
01:10:01,440 --> 01:10:08,380
And I hope that we might be able to count on support from Tri-County Cap with that.

1072
01:10:08,380 --> 01:10:15,940
But I also recognize that we can't rely on them exclusively to handle something like this.

1073
01:10:16,700 --> 01:10:21,700
And that will almost certainly include additional staff time in our staff.

1074
01:10:22,240 --> 01:10:34,880
And so, while I see the desire to pick and choose one or the other for where we would send additional human services funds,

1075
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:41,580
I would advocate very strongly that we consider both that we should be supporting

1076
01:10:41,580 --> 01:10:49,840
Tri-County cap and that there is a critical need for us to address that priority of human

1077
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:56,480
services and of supporting the vulnerable residents of our community and not see those as mutually

1078
01:10:56,480 --> 01:10:59,140
exclusive. Thank you all so much.

1079
01:11:00,710 --> 01:11:13,870
I think I agree with Councillor Bielo and his comments earlier I support adding these funds back in that were only removed because

1080
01:11:13,870 --> 01:11:20,450
Tric County cap could not sign for whatever reason, could not sign on to the welcoming

1081
01:11:20,450 --> 01:11:26,850
Lebanon ordinance. I'm glad that they have reevaluated their position. I think it

1082
01:11:26,850 --> 01:11:32,250
makes sense for us to support that. I see it as independent. I certainly hope that the

1083
01:11:32,250 --> 01:11:42,540
leadership at Tric County cap has heard our concerns with their behavior. And I think this

1084
01:11:42,540 --> 01:11:45,560
gives us an opportunity to have some conversations

1085
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:49,060
over the coming year about what our expectations are.

1086
01:11:49,760 --> 01:11:51,360
But I do think that Tri-County Cap

1087
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:52,660
is an important part of the fabric

1088
01:11:52,660 --> 01:11:57,000
of our human services network in the Upper Valley.

1089
01:11:57,520 --> 01:12:01,440
And I think it makes sense for us to be providing support

1090
01:12:02,060 --> 01:12:06,440
in a way that's tied to our population

1091
01:12:06,440 --> 01:12:10,220
and that is compensated with how other communities

1092
01:12:10,220 --> 01:12:16,220
are supporting tri-county cap as well. It's only fair. I don't think it's fair for us to

1093
01:12:16,220 --> 01:12:23,500
expect tri-county cap to be working in our community without having any support from us.

1094
01:12:24,340 --> 01:12:29,100
And I also don't think it's fair to other communities for them to be essentially subsidizing

1095
01:12:29,700 --> 01:12:34,420
the work that tri-county cap does here. So I think we need to have the discussion.

1096
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:40,200
I think we don't

1097
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:43,960
particular amendment and I'll be voting in favor.

1098
01:12:45,780 --> 01:12:49,900
This will make something very clear to keep this seems to be having a life all to its own.

1099
01:12:50,140 --> 01:12:51,540
Then we're recommending a full-time position.

1100
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:56,960
The city administration has no interest in adding a full-time position in human services.

1101
01:12:57,260 --> 01:12:57,420
None.

1102
01:12:57,420 --> 01:12:57,740
Zero.

1103
01:12:58,380 --> 01:12:59,320
We have not proposed that.

1104
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:01,640
If we did we would have made it very clear that we wanted to do that.

1105
01:13:02,060 --> 01:13:03,300
There's no identified need.

1106
01:13:03,500 --> 01:13:04,880
I heard that a few minutes ago too.

1107
01:13:04,920 --> 01:13:06,080
I don't know where that's coming from.

1108
01:13:06,220 --> 01:13:09,560
That information about a specific need for position that will do something.

1109
01:13:09,560 --> 01:13:13,740
I don't know what that is, but we have not proposed that, a couple of councils have talked

1110
01:13:13,740 --> 01:13:14,040
about that.

1111
01:13:14,060 --> 01:13:18,240
I'm really very clear that everybody who's listening, especially out there, that we're

1112
01:13:18,240 --> 01:13:22,140
not, our plan was not to hire somebody full-time to somehow do the job of trying

1113
01:13:22,140 --> 01:13:22,780
counter-cap.

1114
01:13:22,980 --> 01:13:24,560
But it's going to make that abundantly clear.

1115
01:13:26,600 --> 01:13:29,860
Well, is there any further discussion on this particular amendment?

1116
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:33,220
Okay?

1117
01:13:33,660 --> 01:13:34,960
They're ready to vote on the amendment.

1118
01:13:34,960 --> 01:13:37,320
All those in favor of the amendment,

1119
01:13:39,700 --> 01:13:46,040
and the vote against vote is 7-4 and 1-against.

1120
01:13:47,100 --> 01:13:47,440
So it passes.

1121
01:13:48,660 --> 01:13:55,220
So the question then is, are there any further amendments that are going to be offered on this particular resolution, or are we ready to vote on the resolution?

1122
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:56,760
No, I have another amendment.

1123
01:13:58,760 --> 01:14:00,500
Yeah, I get that right now this time.

1124
01:14:01,860 --> 01:14:12,160
I offer an amendment to increase this resolution by the amount of $60,000, and then I would

1125
01:14:12,160 --> 01:14:16,420
be getting a second for that, and I would like to speak to my amendment.

1126
01:14:17,480 --> 01:14:17,720
Thank you.

1127
01:14:17,820 --> 01:14:19,880
Well, it's going to suck at that.

1128
01:14:22,020 --> 01:14:22,680
Yes, Councillor Wilhelm.

1129
01:14:22,780 --> 01:14:23,260
I will say that.

1130
01:14:23,400 --> 01:14:24,140
Please be here.

1131
01:14:24,320 --> 01:14:24,740
Thank you.

1132
01:14:25,940 --> 01:14:31,840
Bear with me, folks, while I call up some data that I've been doing some research about.

1133
01:14:34,780 --> 01:14:49,720
One of the things that I've struggled with on this question of how the city best helps the people who need help is how do we objectively measure what success looks like.

1134
01:14:51,020 --> 01:14:53,720
And that's a really difficult question.

1135
01:14:54,820 --> 01:14:57,500
So I started doing some data searching.

1136
01:14:58,460 --> 01:14:59,960
I found out that

1137
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:08,560
At Lebanon's population in Grafton County represents about 15.7% of the county,

1138
01:15:10,640 --> 01:15:12,760
and that with

1139
01:15:12,760 --> 01:15:19,240
handover and fuel in Lebanon together, it's more than 30% of the population of Grafton County.

1140
01:15:19,620 --> 01:15:26,260
So there's a bunch of people here. I've also learned, however, diving a little deeper

1141
01:15:26,260 --> 01:15:39,720
that using the 2021 census estimates beyond the 2020 census, Lebanon's population actually is now

1142
01:15:39,720 --> 01:15:52,700
thought to be 15,661. That's an 8.7% increase in population. On top of that, Lebanon's density

1143
01:15:54,240 --> 01:15:58,300
as measured by a number of people by square footage.

1144
01:15:59,220 --> 01:16:03,280
Lebanon has the highest density of all of the three counties that

1145
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:08,340
try county cap works in. Above and beyond all other

1146
01:16:08,340 --> 01:16:14,440
communities in those three counties. And we have to make the

1147
01:16:14,440 --> 01:16:19,580
connection that with higher density comes more problems. And one of the

1148
01:16:19,580 --> 01:16:26,280
that this city is facing, is that we need to be taking a look at homelessness as an issue,

1149
01:16:26,620 --> 01:16:27,600
amongst other things.

1150
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:36,640
So we are talking about creating a revolving fund. That's great. It's

1151
01:16:36,640 --> 01:16:44,060
wonderful to hear that there's no right to know request that's going to be moving forward on.

1152
01:16:46,860 --> 01:16:52,760
And the other thing that I think that's really important to remember is, and I'm going

1153
01:16:52,760 --> 01:16:58,440
to switch screens for a moment, so bear with me, because I want to have the stuff in front of

1154
01:16:59,120 --> 01:16:59,640
me.

1155
01:16:59,940 --> 01:17:00,940
I'm sorry.

1156
01:17:04,620 --> 01:17:11,680
We've heard that there are approximately 70 people homeless people that are being served here

1157
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:12,140
in the city.

1158
01:17:12,140 --> 01:17:17,080
Well, that's 70 people, approximately, who were receiving

1159
01:17:17,080 --> 01:17:20,000
near-app funds in order to be in hotels.

1160
01:17:21,040 --> 01:17:21,420
Motels.

1161
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:27,240
Statewide, there are 700 people who are receiving

1162
01:17:27,240 --> 01:17:29,740
near-app funds to be in hotels.

1163
01:17:30,700 --> 01:17:33,300
But the homeless population is actually much higher

1164
01:17:33,300 --> 01:17:34,640
than that throughout the state.

1165
01:17:35,200 --> 01:17:37,780
The homeless population throughout the state

1166
01:17:37,780 --> 01:17:47,000
actually closer to 5,000. So it's a problem out there. In addition to that, we have some

1167
01:17:47,000 --> 01:17:51,780
housing issues that are coming before. We have all read in the Valley News recently how

1168
01:17:54,880 --> 01:18:02,440
outside investors are purchasing apartment buildings, evicting the people who have lived there

1169
01:18:02,440 --> 01:18:07,760
in some cases for decades so that they can upgrade the apartment and charge more rent.

1170
01:18:07,760 --> 01:18:15,020
And, as these rental costs go higher and higher and higher, it's only going to exacerbate

1171
01:18:15,020 --> 01:18:18,160
the pressures on people to be able to stay in their homes.

1172
01:18:18,840 --> 01:18:21,720
It's one of the important pressures that are happening.

1173
01:18:24,740 --> 01:18:31,280
I think it's also important to put a face on the people that we're talking about, because

1174
01:18:31,280 --> 01:18:35,260
it's not just some person out there who's homeless.

1175
01:18:35,260 --> 01:18:43,140
I think it's really important to know that as an example, the people going into emergency

1176
01:18:43,140 --> 01:18:43,840
shelters,

1177
01:18:46,460 --> 01:18:52,800
15% of the sheltered persons in the state and a hamper were children, 15% were children,

1178
01:18:55,540 --> 01:19:02,500
14% were chronically homeless, they're in shelters. 4% were veterans,

1179
01:19:05,200 --> 01:19:08,400
23% were victims of domestic violence.

1180
01:19:10,160 --> 01:19:21,480
33% had a known mental illness and 17% had physical disability and 7% had developmental disabilities.

1181
01:19:22,580 --> 01:19:29,720
These are the real face of the people that we have an obligation as a society to help.

1182
01:19:30,260 --> 01:19:31,880
Now how do we get that done?

1183
01:19:31,880 --> 01:19:44,060
I submit to you that there is a need for additional human resources FTE because as I said

1184
01:19:44,060 --> 01:19:48,940
the other night when we began this argument, a discussion rather, I'm sorry, it wasn't

1185
01:19:48,940 --> 01:19:50,520
really an argument, it was a discussion.

1186
01:19:53,340 --> 01:19:58,880
When I worked as the only person in fire prevention and I was kept being asked to well, look

1187
01:19:58,880 --> 01:19:59,820
at the big picture.

1188
01:19:59,820 --> 01:20:05,960
figure out how to make things better in the big picture. Well, you can't, when you're the only resource

1189
01:20:05,960 --> 01:20:14,120
trying to solve these problems. And I see a person who, uh, additional FTE in the Human Services

1190
01:20:14,120 --> 01:20:20,120
Department would help us answer some of the questions for information that we don't have.

1191
01:20:20,920 --> 01:20:28,220
It will help us figure out a better way to do, to do the solve the problem of, uh,

1192
01:20:28,220 --> 01:20:36,780
particularly homelessness. And make no mistake that that is the particular issue that we have been concerned with

1193
01:20:37,520 --> 01:20:44,480
Fy County Cabinet, and ability to make sure all these things are being done. I don't know why we went away, didn't touch anything.

1194
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:52,360
There we go. It must be me. You didn't shut me off, Mr. Managent. Well, that's good to know.

1195
01:20:56,140 --> 01:21:03,260
So the point is there are a lot of homeless issues are intractable, many people feel.

1196
01:21:03,860 --> 01:21:07,560
Well, they're only intractable when you don't try to take steps to make them better.

1197
01:21:08,740 --> 01:21:16,520
And we have an opportunity tonight to take a step to suggest and add into the budget, which is our role.

1198
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:24,900
sufficient funds to work harder at finding solutions for this difficult problem and I would urge

1199
01:21:24,900 --> 01:21:32,480
my fellow Councillors to be mindful of how important this for us to be helping this underserved

1200
01:21:32,480 --> 01:21:39,790
population. Thank you. Yes, Councillor Wilkie. Thank you. I'll speak to my second.

1201
01:21:39,790 --> 01:21:47,630
Um, though largely I will just say Ditto to what Councillor Sikes has said.

1202
01:21:48,250 --> 01:21:56,870
Um, I, and also I, um, apologize if in any way I implied that it was from city administration

1203
01:21:57,550 --> 01:22:07,310
that I had heard the potential need for a minimum of one additional FTE, I will clarify that was not city administration

1204
01:22:07,310 --> 01:22:15,810
who made that observation, it did not come from within city administration, it came from outside city administration.

1205
01:22:16,830 --> 01:22:31,190
But I did hear of the need for a minimum of one person, do an additional person full time doing work to support the needs of our most vulnerable.

1206
01:22:31,190 --> 01:22:42,610
I feel that this is an important opportunity to both address the priorities that we all

1207
01:22:42,610 --> 01:22:47,210
shared back in April at the beginning of the budget process.

1208
01:22:47,510 --> 01:22:57,670
I believe we all addressed the importance of supporting our social services, our human services,

1209
01:22:57,670 --> 01:23:12,230
of supporting the problem of rising costs of people being taxed out of their properties of people being unable to stay afloat.

1210
01:23:13,710 --> 01:23:24,030
We are seeing this problem rise at, I think, at least as high a rate, if not higher rate than what many of us anticipated.

1211
01:23:24,030 --> 01:23:38,330
I think to the extent that we should avoid letting the problem get critical before addressing

1212
01:23:38,330 --> 01:23:45,890
a solution, especially in an area that we have deemed as a priority, it is our duty

1213
01:23:45,890 --> 01:23:53,450
and our responsibility to see what we can do, recognizing that we may not have a clear

1214
01:23:53,450 --> 01:24:02,790
tactical plan as a strategic board to take this strategic step to say we allocate more

1215
01:24:02,790 --> 01:24:12,590
resources to human services, to try to address what is a looming crisis and could become

1216
01:24:12,590 --> 01:24:19,530
an augmented crisis if that first crisis bumped up against insufficient staffing and

1217
01:24:19,530 --> 01:24:30,110
sufficient support and a very heavily burdened or overburdened department in our city.

1218
01:24:30,430 --> 01:24:30,750
Thank you.

1219
01:24:31,130 --> 01:24:31,150
Yes.

1220
01:24:31,370 --> 01:24:31,790
Councilor Hill.

1221
01:24:34,230 --> 01:24:35,130
Thank you very much.

1222
01:24:35,290 --> 01:24:37,290
Councilor Sikes for making this amendment.

1223
01:24:39,970 --> 01:24:41,810
I raised this question.

1224
01:24:41,810 --> 01:24:46,250
I think it was last week or two weeks ago about whether

1225
01:24:46,250 --> 01:24:56,510
Councilor's felt based on the presentations we have received over these work sessions, whether we should consider targeting additional resources for its human services.

1226
01:24:59,390 --> 01:25:09,350
I don't remember the exact year. I think it was maybe 2008, 2009 when we were facing a global,

1227
01:25:09,350 --> 01:25:19,290
depression really. It was a crisis, a financial crisis. The city council at that time also saw a

1228
01:25:19,290 --> 01:25:31,650
looming potential crisis for people and decided to make a one-time increase in appropriations

1229
01:25:31,650 --> 01:25:37,910
to the social service agencies. I don't think anyone else here was on the council at that time

1230
01:25:37,910 --> 01:25:40,050
And maybe you did or didn't notice that.

1231
01:25:40,130 --> 01:25:41,630
It wasn't necessarily

1232
01:25:45,610 --> 01:25:47,410
paraded in the paper.

1233
01:25:47,730 --> 01:25:51,830
But we did that after discussion at work sessions

1234
01:25:51,830 --> 01:25:54,610
and we made an increase and have to go back and look.

1235
01:25:54,730 --> 01:25:56,590
But it was somewhere around $100,000.

1236
01:25:57,330 --> 01:26:00,830
That was shared along the social service agencies

1237
01:26:01,590 --> 01:26:04,310
that were supporting people in need here in Lebanon.

1238
01:26:04,310 --> 01:26:12,950
And it was that with that spirit in mind that I asked the question, because what I do see is an exceptional year.

1239
01:26:13,490 --> 01:26:18,390
We are facing conditions that we did not expect back in April.

1240
01:26:20,150 --> 01:26:22,890
Circumstances have gotten more dire.

1241
01:26:24,070 --> 01:26:27,650
Back in April inflation was becoming a problem.

1242
01:26:27,650 --> 01:26:38,450
energy prices have increased more than we may be anticipated at that time and while this is

1243
01:26:38,450 --> 01:26:44,510
causing, this is spurring things like, you know, community power and some good things,

1244
01:26:45,110 --> 01:26:52,570
there are people who are going to be faced with difficult choices. This winter about how to

1245
01:26:52,570 --> 01:26:55,130
Heat their homes about

1246
01:26:58,360 --> 01:27:05,300
what to do when they're pipes freeze and how they can support their family.

1247
01:27:06,740 --> 01:27:17,440
And so, and I remember I know that when people are in those tough situations that they can

1248
01:27:17,440 --> 01:27:24,500
people end up using blow torches to unfreeze their pipes and they can end up in really dangerous

1249
01:27:24,500 --> 01:27:31,680
situations as a result. And it's these things that I have now seen, these cycles happen

1250
01:27:31,680 --> 01:27:40,380
and when people are in bad places, sometimes they have to, you know, resort to desperate measures.

1251
01:27:40,800 --> 01:27:45,900
And so it was in that spirit that I asked the question about whether we should consider targeting

1252
01:27:45,900 --> 01:27:53,900
additional resources to human services because energy prices, because federal funds are

1253
01:27:53,900 --> 01:27:57,120
drying up that we did not anticipate back in April.

1254
01:27:59,300 --> 01:28:02,120
The things are just a little different

1255
01:28:02,120 --> 01:28:10,380
and the other thing that really struck me was the hearing the police chief talk about the level

1256
01:28:10,380 --> 01:28:16,520
of distress that people seem to be under in the community, and that that is escalating, and that

1257
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:23,160
it's something I think he said, it's something that he has not seen in his career, in law

1258
01:28:23,160 --> 01:28:29,440
enforcement, that these are unprecedented times. And all of these things just lead me to believe

1259
01:28:29,440 --> 01:28:39,160
that people are in distress, and that if we can target some additional resources, we may not

1260
01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:45,900
solve the problem, and I don't think, and targeting additional resources right now as a sort

1261
01:28:45,900 --> 01:28:51,040
of stop-gap measure to say, you know, we can't solve everything, but maybe we can at least

1262
01:28:51,040 --> 01:28:56,880
make a difference to help some families get through a difficult winter. I think we should be

1263
01:28:56,880 --> 01:29:03,520
simultaneously looking at root causes, looking at systemic issues, looking at the low barrier

1264
01:29:03,520 --> 01:29:10,460
shelter, addressing a comprehensive housing plan. We should do all of those things, but that

1265
01:29:10,460 --> 01:29:17,900
doesn't mean we shouldn't do something right now as well. I think that we can do both, and I

1266
01:29:17,900 --> 01:29:24,400
would support the amendment offered by Councillor Sykes. I don't know how far $60,000 will go,

1267
01:29:24,820 --> 01:29:31,700
but I do know that we have good people in place in human services department, and I do think

1268
01:29:32,600 --> 01:29:38,720
that they will find good uses for additional resources

1269
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:41,740
that can be targeted in meaningful ways.

1270
01:29:47,580 --> 01:29:51,360
So I am curious, because not too long ago,

1271
01:29:51,460 --> 01:29:54,660
we approved a sort of flex fund for human services.

1272
01:29:56,220 --> 01:29:59,960
And I'm wondering, because I haven't heard the human...

1273
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:27,100
And a request from human services specifically saying that, you know, additional staffing would solve some of the looming issues. I wonder if it would be possible or appropriate for that flex fund to be used to hire additional, like an additional full time employee, if that is sort of what's deemed to be the most useful thing.

1274
01:30:27,100 --> 01:30:49,500
And so if maybe allocating the same amount to that fund, and then if it turns out that that wouldn't necessarily be the best, like, I guess the angle of the buck is the word I'm looking for, in terms of like effectiveness of those funds toward direct benefit to the residents,

1275
01:30:51,700 --> 01:30:56,330
that's, that would sort of be in the spirit of,

1276
01:30:56,330 --> 01:31:02,650
that existing fund. I don't know if that's possible, though. I don't know if that's

1277
01:31:02,650 --> 01:31:07,570
within the scope of what is available from that.

1278
01:31:07,870 --> 01:31:09,490
It is because you haven't done it, you'll do it tonight.

1279
01:31:09,650 --> 01:31:09,830
Yeah.

1280
01:31:10,310 --> 01:31:10,550
Okay.

1281
01:31:10,730 --> 01:31:11,710
So you didn't have it.

1282
01:31:11,790 --> 01:31:12,930
We talked about it about the action.

1283
01:31:13,310 --> 01:31:13,630
Okay.

1284
01:31:15,370 --> 01:31:17,290
So if that would be a kind of an alternative,

1285
01:31:17,630 --> 01:31:19,110
wait a look at it in that case.

1286
01:31:19,310 --> 01:31:20,030
System will be available.

1287
01:31:21,730 --> 01:31:24,030
Well, I think you're onto something Councillor Zuck.

1288
01:31:24,030 --> 01:31:25,330
I was just thinking about that.

1289
01:31:25,330 --> 01:31:31,290
It's resolution number 15 on page 38 as Councillor Hill was speaking.

1290
01:31:32,870 --> 01:31:40,530
And that, if you'll recall, it's useful to look at it because in some sense, I think

1291
01:31:40,530 --> 01:31:46,810
it's okay if we pass an additional preparation, I think it's okay if we don't because either

1292
01:31:46,810 --> 01:31:51,170
way it just sort of balances out with this fund and I'll just explain why I think that's

1293
01:31:51,170 --> 01:31:51,590
the case.

1294
01:31:51,590 --> 01:31:58,490
It's because it's, if we pass the resolution 15, we establish a public assistance revolving

1295
01:31:58,490 --> 01:32:04,130
fund for the purpose of accumulating resources to provide general assistance for housing

1296
01:32:04,130 --> 01:32:10,630
and emergency shelter, who fuel utilities and other basic necessities of the public welfare

1297
01:32:10,630 --> 01:32:18,090
function for which the city is responsible in accordance with our say 165 A to assisted persons

1298
01:32:18,090 --> 01:32:23,270
that money in the public assisting Revolcano Fund shall accumulate from year to year, meaning

1299
01:32:23,270 --> 01:32:28,490
it's non-lapsing. You should not be considered part of the city's general fund, and the city

1300
01:32:28,490 --> 01:32:33,730
manager shall be the agent of the city to carry out the objects of the fund as established by the

1301
01:32:33,730 --> 01:32:39,630
city council. This is a rather clever way to say we're going to give the manager some authority

1302
01:32:39,630 --> 01:32:46,150
to use funds from the current budget that are not spent, that would otherwise lapse into fund

1303
01:32:46,150 --> 01:32:53,310
balance and instead use that to direct it into this fund so we can provide additional assistance.

1304
01:32:54,810 --> 01:33:02,270
So what he saw and human services saw was that the need had gone up compared to when the budget was developed

1305
01:33:02,270 --> 01:33:07,030
and we don't even know exactly what that need is. So this was a way to approach this.

1306
01:33:07,270 --> 01:33:14,510
But to the extent I think, if I'm wrong, to the extent the city manager directs otherwise lapsing funds into this

1307
01:33:14,510 --> 01:33:21,470
to make them non-lapsing and sort of a reserve for this purpose, it decreases what would otherwise

1308
01:33:21,470 --> 01:33:25,110
go into fun balance that could be used otherwise offset the tax rate.

1309
01:33:25,590 --> 01:33:29,230
So I think from a tax rate point of view, it doesn't matter whether we make the sort of

1310
01:33:29,230 --> 01:33:33,990
additional preparation or not, it matters how much money goes into this fund and what's

1311
01:33:33,990 --> 01:33:35,130
expended out of this fund.

1312
01:33:35,550 --> 01:33:41,890
I don't know if it's better spent as an additional FTE or if it's better spent or additional

1313
01:33:41,890 --> 01:33:43,970
assistance in a variety of different ways.

1314
01:33:43,970 --> 01:33:53,090
I think whether we pass it or not, the city manager would have the discretion to use it as an FTE or not.

1315
01:33:54,210 --> 01:33:58,230
But we already would give him a lot of discretion under resolution number 15.

1316
01:33:58,910 --> 01:34:01,950
Let's start to set aside some funds to address this problem.

1317
01:34:02,530 --> 01:34:13,950
So I think, you know, he thought he had some extent and come up with a mechanism for which we can provide for this without having to

1318
01:34:13,950 --> 01:34:16,170
as the need becomes more apparent.

1319
01:34:17,150 --> 01:34:19,410
I don't disagree that more human resources

1320
01:34:19,950 --> 01:34:24,190
in terms of paid employees who are working on this issue,

1321
01:34:24,570 --> 01:34:25,710
might not be helpful.

1322
01:34:26,090 --> 01:34:29,210
I just don't know if it's the greatest need right now,

1323
01:34:29,590 --> 01:34:35,390
and there's certainly a shortage of trying to hire people as it is.

1324
01:34:36,650 --> 01:34:43,550
And I'm not going to worry too much about where that line is drawn.

1325
01:34:43,550 --> 01:34:56,390
I think it is important to send this signal whether it's by passage of resolution 15 or this amendment that we recognize there's need for additional resources to go to this.

1326
01:34:56,970 --> 01:35:03,090
So with eight of nine members present tonight, please remind us all what votes need to be to pass.

1327
01:35:03,090 --> 01:35:04,350
Well, for this, it's just a majority.

1328
01:35:04,350 --> 01:35:05,350
This is a simple majority.

1329
01:35:05,450 --> 01:35:07,410
When we get to one and say, team, we have to have six.

1330
01:35:07,750 --> 01:35:08,390
But we have six.

1331
01:35:08,390 --> 01:35:11,750
And then bonds require a sub-majority as well.

1332
01:35:13,190 --> 01:35:18,210
So I'll, let me just, I've got a pitch for, so I'm very hesitant

1333
01:35:18,210 --> 01:35:21,450
to vote for this specific amount for this specific purpose.

1334
01:35:22,590 --> 01:35:24,590
In my opinion, the human services department

1335
01:35:24,590 --> 01:35:27,110
put a lot of thought and time and thought into their budget,

1336
01:35:27,690 --> 01:35:29,830
not just in April, but as the year went on.

1337
01:35:30,910 --> 01:35:44,830
And so I'm certainly in favor of resolution 15, but I don't see my way clear to vote for something that puts it into this particular resolution number one.

1338
01:35:45,350 --> 01:35:48,550
I certainly see the need, but Councillor Woodles and many Councillor Sikes.

1339
01:35:49,790 --> 01:35:51,750
So I have to adjust the mic.

1340
01:35:51,910 --> 01:35:55,410
All right, so I definitely, that's part of my concern.

1341
01:35:55,410 --> 01:36:05,230
So we do have resolution number 15 and I do support the revolving fund and I think it's a great way to address some of the issues with a fair degree of flexibility

1342
01:36:05,230 --> 01:36:11,010
But the important thing that I would note is there's there's a purpose behind there's a clear purpose

1343
01:36:11,010 --> 01:36:16,890
It's not just saying oh, we're going to make resources available here's what we're going to do here's what we're trying to target like there's been a clear

1344
01:36:17,690 --> 01:36:20,090
thought and impetus behind it and

1345
01:36:20,090 --> 01:36:30,550
With the additional funds that we're discussing in this amendment, that original impetus is to me no longer there, because now we're working with tri-county cap and funding them with those funds.

1346
01:36:32,150 --> 01:36:38,990
So providing resources in a vague general way without a plan, to me isn't useful.

1347
01:36:39,870 --> 01:36:45,090
We have a clear plan under resolution 15, and I don't think at this point with the partnership

1348
01:36:45,090 --> 01:36:49,970
with Tri-County cap that we're trying to rebuild that you then have that same impetus.

1349
01:36:50,450 --> 01:36:55,150
I would support it if there was a clear plan behind it, and I think that we've kind of

1350
01:36:55,150 --> 01:36:59,370
undercut that plan, and I think with the new funds.

1351
01:37:00,110 --> 01:37:06,450
I would also say that I think it's really hard to say we have to make funds available because

1352
01:37:06,450 --> 01:37:13,070
We're taxing people out of their homes, but then also raise the taxes because we're adding

1353
01:37:13,070 --> 01:37:13,710
more funds.

1354
01:37:14,050 --> 01:37:20,010
And so I think if it's carefully thought out and deliberate in the way to meet had been,

1355
01:37:20,670 --> 01:37:25,950
that was one that's very different than where we're at now, having not provided the funds

1356
01:37:25,950 --> 01:37:27,050
to try a county cap.

1357
01:37:27,350 --> 01:37:30,870
Again, to me, it's a very mutually exclusive proposition.

1358
01:37:30,870 --> 01:37:38,690
And so since we're already making some amount of funds available through Resolution 15, we've

1359
01:37:38,690 --> 01:37:45,310
made the resources available there, and there hasn't been that otherwise request for FTE.

1360
01:37:46,270 --> 01:37:53,030
And again, to me, the need for that FTE is really being taken back on by Tri-County

1361
01:37:53,030 --> 01:37:53,530
Cap.

1362
01:37:53,870 --> 01:38:00,730
The Assistant Mayor even said, we've long had a policy of outsourcing that work.

1363
01:38:00,730 --> 01:38:10,050
to these agencies which we couldn't do because they wouldn't sign on to be agreements, well now they're going to sign on to be agreement, we're making funds available to them, so I can't support both.

1364
01:38:11,030 --> 01:38:13,650
So we've passed one, I can't support this, I'm sorry.

1365
01:38:16,710 --> 01:38:19,230
I'd like to make a couple of observations.

1366
01:38:20,470 --> 01:38:22,010
So first things first.

1367
01:38:24,370 --> 01:38:30,770
There is, I agree that we should be putting at least $100,000 into that revolving fund,

1368
01:38:30,770 --> 01:38:33,810
because the resources will, in my mind, be needed.

1369
01:38:34,530 --> 01:38:41,690
My concern is that if this amendment that I have often is defeated, then we won't put

1370
01:38:41,690 --> 01:38:48,830
any additional funds in the revolving fund, and therefore it takes money away from recipients

1371
01:38:48,830 --> 01:38:56,210
versus providing the administrative support that's needed to do all the tasks that need to be

1372
01:38:56,210 --> 01:39:01,930
done, including administering this fund. I mean I know it's the manages decision ultimately,

1373
01:39:02,310 --> 01:39:07,730
but I believe quite strongly and I've watched the manager take advice from department heads

1374
01:39:07,730 --> 01:39:13,390
very effectively and that would be one of the things that would have to happen. So I'm concerned

1375
01:39:13,390 --> 01:39:23,030
about us being Pennywise pound foolish in terms of not delivering the types of resources that

1376
01:39:23,030 --> 01:39:23,490
we need.

1377
01:39:23,650 --> 01:39:25,370
So that's part one, part two.

1378
01:39:26,790 --> 01:39:32,730
For those of you who have been on the council for a long time or on the council off the

1379
01:39:32,730 --> 01:39:38,650
council and on the council like I've been, which still comes a rather lengthy amount of time

1380
01:39:38,650 --> 01:39:43,610
and plus having worked for and lived in the city for 33 years.

1381
01:39:43,730 --> 01:39:46,450
Here's something that I can share with you.

1382
01:39:47,150 --> 01:39:49,990
From the days of Donna Hastings,

1383
01:39:50,170 --> 01:39:53,230
a former human services person.

1384
01:39:53,570 --> 01:39:54,050
Donna Hutchins.

1385
01:39:54,090 --> 01:39:55,450
Hutchins, excuse me, thank you.

1386
01:39:55,450 --> 01:39:56,330
Shannon Hastings.

1387
01:39:56,610 --> 01:39:58,550
Shannon Hastings, you thank you for that.

1388
01:40:00,370 --> 01:40:08,330
And even into the present day, I think that and I watch this,

1389
01:40:08,330 --> 01:40:18,370
I think that that department particularly is hesitant to ask for the resources that they really

1390
01:40:18,370 --> 01:40:18,710
need.

1391
01:40:20,030 --> 01:40:25,690
I would talk to Donna, and she would say, well, we need this.

1392
01:40:25,830 --> 01:40:26,310
We need this.

1393
01:40:26,350 --> 01:40:27,750
Well, why aren't you asking for it?

1394
01:40:28,230 --> 01:40:33,370
Well, you know, I don't know that that's going on now, but I've watched that happen.

1395
01:40:33,370 --> 01:40:44,210
I've also watched in county government where service agencies, you know, human services agencies,

1396
01:40:44,790 --> 01:40:47,750
reluctantly, they never asked for an increase in their budget.

1397
01:40:48,290 --> 01:40:49,710
That was come back and want the same.

1398
01:40:49,970 --> 01:40:53,970
Whatever we got before, great, but they never asked for the increase.

1399
01:40:54,330 --> 01:41:00,890
Because there's a mindset or an ethic that makes that very hard.

1400
01:41:01,710 --> 01:41:13,890
And I just worry that we are trying to do the right thing and we can do the right thing by

1401
01:41:13,890 --> 01:41:19,110
putting the money in for a specific purpose creating the revolving fund.

1402
01:41:19,170 --> 01:41:29,530
If my motion does not pass, I would hope that we would at the very least make sure that we're putting sufficient money

1403
01:41:29,530 --> 01:41:36,490
the revolving fund so that recipients projected recipients are not losing out because we then

1404
01:41:36,490 --> 01:41:44,130
go ahead and get more help or human services. I think that's my concern with that action.

1405
01:41:46,530 --> 01:41:53,530
So, you know, it's time for us to, and by the way, like everybody else, I'm very concerned about

1406
01:41:53,530 --> 01:42:02,690
my property tax bill, I've struggled this year more than ever, but Mr. Manager, can you tell

1407
01:42:02,690 --> 01:42:08,590
me if we put $60,000 back into the budget, what is the actual effect on the tax rate?

1408
01:42:08,810 --> 01:42:09,310
Two cents.

1409
01:42:10,390 --> 01:42:11,130
Okay, thank you.

1410
01:42:11,290 --> 01:42:11,390
Two cents.

1411
01:42:11,610 --> 01:42:12,890
You're up three cents right now.

1412
01:42:14,490 --> 01:42:19,290
We're looking at a 20% increase in the tax rate, now it's a 23% increase.

1413
01:42:20,570 --> 01:42:21,770
That was my point.

1414
01:42:21,870 --> 01:42:22,430
Thank you.

1415
01:42:23,530 --> 01:42:24,470
Yes, that's a welcome.

1416
01:42:24,670 --> 01:42:24,970
Thank you.

1417
01:42:25,090 --> 01:42:27,770
I have an observation, a question, and a comment.

1418
01:42:27,810 --> 01:42:37,410
The observation is that, as best I can tell, the tri-county cap funds that we just amended

1419
01:42:37,410 --> 01:42:42,030
do not add any portion of a full-time equivalent.

1420
01:42:42,150 --> 01:42:48,770
They do not add any additional human resources to the city.

1421
01:42:48,770 --> 01:43:02,710
The question is, has there been any consideration, and if so, what is the result as to what level

1422
01:43:02,710 --> 01:43:08,390
of administrative burden will be added by this revolving fund?

1423
01:43:09,230 --> 01:43:16,710
I won't be significant to artists we have an agreement with the haven and you know that money is going to be gone by the end of the year.

1424
01:43:17,650 --> 01:43:18,510
And the...

1425
01:43:18,510 --> 01:43:19,350
I'm sorry.

1426
01:43:19,890 --> 01:43:22,630
The haven is going to actually manage those operations.

1427
01:43:22,930 --> 01:43:24,950
So we're going to provide them money to them to manage them.

1428
01:43:25,710 --> 01:43:27,770
So we'll be reporting back to us.

1429
01:43:28,050 --> 01:43:29,330
But then we don't have any function.

1430
01:43:29,810 --> 01:43:30,250
Thank you.

1431
01:43:30,250 --> 01:43:40,290
And the observation is the based on what Councillor Layout Hill mentioned that in a period

1432
01:43:40,290 --> 01:43:49,330
quite a while ago, in a period where that money was probably a much larger sum.

1433
01:43:49,610 --> 01:43:55,850
There was $100,000 added to the human services of the city.

1434
01:43:55,850 --> 01:44:12,170
And if we're adding both this 60,000 to and the 28,6, we're still not reaching that number of 100,000 to the value of which is even less right now.

1435
01:44:12,370 --> 01:44:12,850
Thank you.

1436
01:44:13,950 --> 01:44:14,070
Yes.

1437
01:44:14,170 --> 01:44:14,650
Councilor Woodles.

1438
01:44:15,690 --> 01:44:17,870
But we're adding the revolving loan fund.

1439
01:44:18,250 --> 01:44:20,090
Which how much were you proposing for that?

1440
01:44:20,210 --> 01:44:20,330
Ah, sorry.

1441
01:44:20,690 --> 01:44:21,690
Okay. So there you go.

1442
01:44:21,770 --> 01:44:22,350
There you go.

1443
01:44:23,470 --> 01:44:28,530
But let's assume given the circumstances that we're going to blow through that 100,000, relatively quickly.

1444
01:44:29,370 --> 01:44:30,430
There's your 100,000.

1445
01:44:30,650 --> 01:44:32,010
So now we're not just talking 100.

1446
01:44:32,230 --> 01:44:36,150
We're actually talking 100 and 88,000.

1447
01:44:36,370 --> 01:44:42,230
Also that 60,000 wouldn't be for a full-time FTE because if it was, you'd have benefits.

1448
01:44:42,710 --> 01:44:44,650
Let's say, I don't know whatever the city's frame today.

1449
01:44:44,770 --> 01:44:46,210
I don't even know what position to do so.

1450
01:44:46,350 --> 01:44:46,930
Fair enough.

1451
01:44:47,810 --> 01:44:59,970
But again, so I just, you know, I support the revolving loan fund, I think it's a targeted approach that will allow us to support the residents and the at risk.

1452
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:29,980
Communities, and we've just discussed that the city is long had a history of partnering with, you know, our local agencies and organizations to do that. It's fine. We're doing that. And we're also doing it through the revolving long fun, but again, I get back to, there's, there's no clear, stated purpose for what these funds are going to be used for. Like, okay, what's that FT going to be doing? Again, when we first assess it, made sense. We got to go figure out where these people are, are who's managing them, where they're going to get

1453
01:45:29,980 --> 01:45:33,180
house, et cetera, because we didn't have that relationship with Tri-Count account.

1454
01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:39,400
But if Tri-Count account is doing it, it gets back to those funds are for something.

1455
01:45:40,660 --> 01:45:41,860
And I can't support that.

1456
01:45:42,040 --> 01:45:44,020
I could support it if there's a real purpose behind it.

1457
01:45:44,040 --> 01:45:47,420
If you said, you know, we're going to give $60,000 to heating assistance for the city of

1458
01:45:47,420 --> 01:45:51,580
Lebanon to be administered by human services, I can support that.

1459
01:45:51,840 --> 01:45:57,020
There's a clear need, energy, you know, whatever that is, but I just can't support

1460
01:45:57,020 --> 01:46:00,200
at throwing on money for the sake of throwing on money,

1461
01:46:00,340 --> 01:46:03,760
because it doesn't inherently resolve any of the issues

1462
01:46:03,760 --> 01:46:05,480
that you're concerned about.

1463
01:46:05,720 --> 01:46:06,800
But that's fair, you can object.

1464
01:46:06,960 --> 01:46:08,440
But I'm just like, that's the same reason

1465
01:46:08,440 --> 01:46:10,460
I'm objecting to what we're proposing.

1466
01:46:11,100 --> 01:46:13,660
Like, I think there needs to be a clear purpose

1467
01:46:13,660 --> 01:46:16,800
behind adding on these funds that weren't otherwise asked for

1468
01:46:16,800 --> 01:46:17,640
because otherwise,

1469
01:46:19,660 --> 01:46:21,420
again, we're just kind of throwing money

1470
01:46:21,420 --> 01:46:24,840
at a problem and hoping it works.

1471
01:46:24,840 --> 01:46:33,260
And I just, I don't see that, like the point of really outcomes-based decisions is to know what outcome you're trying to address.

1472
01:46:33,420 --> 01:46:38,880
And other than just ameliorating and at risk population, which is really what we're trying to do with Resolution 15,

1473
01:46:39,780 --> 01:46:44,920
it's just, it's kind of duplicative, both of the other, both of the revolving loan fund,

1474
01:46:45,160 --> 01:46:50,560
but also the other partner agencies that were historically in as a policy been working with.

1475
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:56,380
So I just, I find a lot of contradiction in the, the justification for what's been going on.

1476
01:46:57,620 --> 01:46:58,720
Yes, go to Hill.

1477
01:47:02,490 --> 01:47:09,010
The $60,000 proposed by Councillor Seix was not specifically for an FTE.

1478
01:47:09,970 --> 01:47:13,410
It's a motion to add $60,000 to the budget.

1479
01:47:13,870 --> 01:47:23,350
And I think from the discussion, it's intended to increase internal capacity within the human services department.

1480
01:47:23,350 --> 01:47:32,150
Department. I haven't heard anything that suggests this is just a growing money at a problem.

1481
01:47:32,690 --> 01:47:40,010
It is a very targeted approach to try and increase capacity within a department that has

1482
01:47:40,010 --> 01:47:49,610
a very clear mission, which is to support people in distress. Managed by professionals who

1483
01:47:49,610 --> 01:47:53,630
know exactly what they're doing and how to target those resources.

1484
01:47:55,310 --> 01:48:00,710
So the idea that this is somehow $60,000 being thrown out of problem, I think it's just,

1485
01:48:01,590 --> 01:48:08,470
I understand it's a euphemism, but I don't think that is, I don't think it accurately

1486
01:48:08,470 --> 01:48:09,790
described the proposal.

1487
01:48:12,100 --> 01:48:19,000
$60,000 in the context of a $37 million budget.

1488
01:48:19,000 --> 01:48:25,960
Thank you, 38 million dollar budget, that adds a penny to the tax rate.

1489
01:48:27,520 --> 01:48:30,020
Two pennies to the tax rate.

1490
01:48:32,240 --> 01:48:40,540
I don't think is unreasonable when we know the context that we're operating in.

1491
01:48:41,280 --> 01:48:44,580
And yes, times are hard for all of us.

1492
01:48:44,580 --> 01:48:53,780
And for people who are in the middle, it's really hard because you don't necessarily even qualify for support from human services.

1493
01:48:54,100 --> 01:48:57,220
And so there are a lot of people being squeezed in a lot of directions.

1494
01:48:58,080 --> 01:49:09,480
But I do think that it is a good ethical discussion for us to have about how we can support people in need,

1495
01:49:09,480 --> 01:49:17,100
Especially when we know that times are difficult and I think this is a good discussion for us to have and I think that

1496
01:49:20,930 --> 01:49:27,950
If our population it turns out is actually a little bigger than what we thought it was and

1497
01:49:27,950 --> 01:49:34,170
We know that there are potentially more people who are going to have to apply for more services

1498
01:49:35,390 --> 01:49:41,190
Potentially exacerbated by the sale of some of the apartment buildings that

1499
01:49:41,190 --> 01:49:43,630
have just started happening.

1500
01:49:45,770 --> 01:49:52,370
I don't think that it's unreasonable to say $60,000. Targeted

1501
01:49:52,370 --> 01:49:58,490
at this particular time. We don't have time to develop a plan for the specific $60,000

1502
01:49:58,490 --> 01:50:04,090
because it's all starting January 1 or whenever the next department building is going to be sold

1503
01:50:04,090 --> 01:50:09,790
and there's going to be 30 days notice for an entire building of people to potentially have to find

1504
01:50:09,790 --> 01:50:18,010
other housing or whatever. So if it was a six million dollar request, yeah, of course we shouldn't

1505
01:50:18,010 --> 01:50:24,970
make that kind of appropriation without a hard plan in place. $60,000 on a $38 million budget

1506
01:50:24,970 --> 01:50:32,270
to target to a specific department that we know is probably going to be facing challenges,

1507
01:50:32,310 --> 01:50:38,270
exceptional challenges over the next few months. I think it's reasonable. I think it's humane quite

1508
01:50:46,780 --> 01:50:52,200
So, if we appropriate this money and it goes through the entire year and doesn't get spent, what happens to it?

1509
01:50:53,260 --> 01:50:57,270
They go to the Anasana Fundals, but it's a surplus.

1510
01:50:59,560 --> 01:51:08,400
So, we appropriate this money and it wasn't used because it wasn't needed and it was going to the Anasana Fundals.

1511
01:51:09,060 --> 01:51:12,740
But I have to raise it so, just be aware of that.

1512
01:51:14,280 --> 01:51:15,680
Sometimes people forget about that.

1513
01:51:15,700 --> 01:51:18,240
I still have to, whatever your program, I have to raise.

1514
01:51:18,240 --> 01:51:24,640
understand, yeah. And it can be used next year, lower tact this.

1515
01:51:24,800 --> 01:51:28,180
Well, there's actually a better way to do this, and some of you have already talked about

1516
01:51:28,180 --> 01:51:32,640
this. So if you actually want to do this, I would ask you not to raise the tax rate in

1517
01:51:32,640 --> 01:51:38,580
for the 2023, but take the money in this year's budget, allow me to go to 116 instead

1518
01:51:38,580 --> 01:51:43,660
of 100, that when we don't raise the tax rate at all anymore, and we already have, by the

1519
01:51:43,660 --> 01:51:48,520
sent for the cap funds, just under one set, the cap funds. That would allow us to do that.

1520
01:51:49,020 --> 01:51:53,480
If that's what you choose to do, change that number in article that's actually 16.

1521
01:51:54,320 --> 01:51:57,720
Oh, yeah, that's what you want to do. If that's what you want to do, that way you don't have

1522
01:51:57,720 --> 01:52:03,360
to raise property taxes in 2020, 2020 to do that. Obviously, it means we have less on a signed

1523
01:52:03,360 --> 01:52:09,260
fund balance in the future, but I would suggest we don't, the taxes are as you well in.

1524
01:52:09,480 --> 01:52:12,580
I end up as it is. You put it, achieve the same objective you're trying to achieve.

1525
01:52:12,580 --> 01:52:18,140
That's one way to look at the second way to look at it is we have a statutory obligation to provide well for services

1526
01:52:18,140 --> 01:52:21,640
So if the budget runs out, I have to take it from someplace else in the city budget

1527
01:52:21,640 --> 01:52:23,720
I don't get a choice if people are on the street

1528
01:52:23,720 --> 01:52:27,820
We haven't we have a statutory obligation to have so I have to go find that money elsewhere

1529
01:52:27,820 --> 01:52:29,520
Which I would do

1530
01:52:29,520 --> 01:52:34,220
Uh, so that's why we're creating this emergency fund to be able to do just that

1531
01:52:34,220 --> 01:52:37,560
But I could take money from other budgets and I would during the year I'd make

1532
01:52:37,560 --> 01:52:40,700
Hot elsewhere to do that because I don't have a choice we have to do that

1533
01:52:40,700 --> 01:52:48,220
So I don't think you the $60,000 at all quite frankly if I need it, I'm going to find it somewhere else and make other cuts in the budget.

1534
01:52:48,560 --> 01:52:57,060
But if you want to do it, I would highly suggest do not raise taxes. Please use the money in the two money left over in this year's budget and put it into that fund.

1535
01:52:57,840 --> 01:52:58,380
This is a suggestion.

1536
01:52:59,160 --> 01:53:02,140
So just one final observation this may or then I'll be done.

1537
01:53:03,600 --> 01:53:15,360
One of the important purposes of me suggesting the $60,000 was because I want this city to lean forward into a looming problem.

1538
01:53:16,420 --> 01:53:27,560
At the end of the day, I guess I don't really. I'm not all hyped up about one solution or another as long as we have the resources to lean into the problem.

1539
01:53:30,540 --> 01:53:42,280
Yes, it's just maybe I like that idea in terms of resolution number 16 if we had an effect a fifth bullet and just say an additional amount not exceeding 60,000

1540
01:53:43,520 --> 01:53:52,660
There's chain 100 hundred. Oh, that's it. That's the one. Okay, that's easy. So I would suggest we could do it that way and then we will

1541
01:53:53,680 --> 01:54:00,700
I located that same $60,000 without directly impacting the upcoming next non-lapsum.

1542
01:54:01,080 --> 01:54:03,860
So if we didn't spend it which we probably will, but if we didn't spend it, we would

1543
01:54:03,860 --> 01:54:06,360
be able to go on in the next year when we weren't in that purpose.

1544
01:54:07,060 --> 01:54:12,800
The discussion that we've had about that revolving fund, my impression anyway was that

1545
01:54:12,800 --> 01:54:15,600
that revolving fund was really primarily about direct assistance.

1546
01:54:16,200 --> 01:54:16,220
Yes.

1547
01:54:16,960 --> 01:54:18,800
And that's not what we're talking about.

1548
01:54:18,960 --> 01:54:19,820
What are you talking about?

1549
01:54:19,820 --> 01:54:45,800
There's $60,000 is talking, my interesting is that we're talking about trying to increase capacity within the department, not necessarily to write more checks, although if we have to write more checks, then that's what we have to do, but increasing capacity so that we can have that there can be time spent on getting this shelter off the ground.

1550
01:54:45,800 --> 01:54:50,780
on working with the partnerships that are going to be needed to make that possible,

1551
01:54:52,860 --> 01:54:54,600
on increasing

1552
01:54:54,600 --> 01:55:01,440
internal capacity. That is what I think I understand, Councillor Sites' intention behind

1553
01:55:01,440 --> 01:55:08,720
the $60,000, and so it's not clear to me that increasing the revolving fund will achieve

1554
01:55:08,720 --> 01:55:15,780
that because I thought that the revolving loan thought that the revolving fund that the revolving

1555
01:55:15,780 --> 01:55:18,460
emergency requests for direct assistance.

1556
01:55:19,140 --> 01:55:21,760
And so that, to me, that's not exactly the same.

1557
01:55:22,320 --> 01:55:23,940
It's not exactly the same.

1558
01:55:24,460 --> 01:55:24,880
That's a woken.

1559
01:55:25,460 --> 01:55:26,020
Thank you.

1560
01:55:26,540 --> 01:55:33,000
Am I correct to understand first that if we increase the allocation

1561
01:55:33,000 --> 01:55:37,680
to the revolving fund that we are reducing

1562
01:55:37,680 --> 01:55:41,540
the unassigned fund balance and therefore potentially

1563
01:55:41,540 --> 01:55:49,480
increasing the jump that we would need to the increase in tax that we would need to cover

1564
01:55:49,480 --> 01:55:55,320
in 2024. Certainly. You take one place. It has to be made up of some place else.

1565
01:55:55,540 --> 01:56:04,500
And second, sorry, sorry,

1566
01:56:06,980 --> 01:56:09,120
I'm sorry. I'm sorry, I'm sorry.

1567
01:56:12,060 --> 01:56:15,200
I guess again, I would rather

1568
01:56:15,200 --> 01:56:19,900
allocated to the revolving loan fund, because if we're talking about addressing it, the immediate need,

1569
01:56:19,920 --> 01:56:21,980
the immediate need is going to be for direct assistance.

1570
01:56:22,820 --> 01:56:28,680
All the examples and everything I've heard about when we did this before is really about direct assistance

1571
01:56:28,680 --> 01:56:32,160
to people, rent assistance, heat assistance, electric assistance, take your pick.

1572
01:56:32,840 --> 01:56:38,300
You've talked about increasing capacity for looking at a low barrier shelter.

1573
01:56:38,960 --> 01:56:42,460
To me, that's actually a planning department function to start with,

1574
01:56:42,460 --> 01:56:45,840
because you have to find a site, you have to design it,

1575
01:56:45,880 --> 01:56:47,820
you have to, you know, all this pre-work.

1576
01:56:48,500 --> 01:56:49,980
And then you make the resources available

1577
01:56:49,980 --> 01:56:52,040
to human services to administer it.

1578
01:56:52,580 --> 01:56:56,460
Like, it's a bit of, it feels a bit like putting

1579
01:56:56,460 --> 01:56:57,780
the cart before the horse.

1580
01:56:58,580 --> 01:57:00,920
I support finding a place for a low-bearing shelter.

1581
01:57:00,960 --> 01:57:01,920
We should do that work.

1582
01:57:01,960 --> 01:57:04,480
But I think that that ties into overall

1583
01:57:05,460 --> 01:57:08,120
the strategic plan, the capital, and the government plan,

1584
01:57:08,240 --> 01:57:08,780
et cetera.

1585
01:57:08,940 --> 01:57:11,680
Like, there's so much of that ends up wrapping into,

1586
01:57:11,680 --> 01:57:15,860
because it's not $60,000, and it's not gonna happen next year, right?

1587
01:57:16,120 --> 01:57:18,440
Like, you're talking a multi-million dollar investment

1588
01:57:18,440 --> 01:57:20,540
when you talk about a low-barrier shelter,

1589
01:57:20,880 --> 01:57:23,440
whether it's through partnership or tax funds

1590
01:57:23,440 --> 01:57:26,540
or capital funds or whatever, it's not cheap.

1591
01:57:27,020 --> 01:57:30,840
And I get back to that you're not increasing capacity

1592
01:57:30,840 --> 01:57:35,000
just by handing off $60,000 without a purpose.

1593
01:57:36,080 --> 01:57:39,000
And if we're partnering with other outside agencies,

1594
01:57:39,000 --> 01:57:43,740
let's utilize their infrastructure in their scale which is what they're

1595
01:57:43,740 --> 01:57:48,780
evolving loan fund does to make though that assistance available or let's

1596
01:57:48,780 --> 01:57:53,740
leverage our existing resources to provide greater direct assistance which is

1597
01:57:53,740 --> 01:57:56,080
what people will need in every session.

1598
01:57:58,940 --> 01:58:01,200
I guess again I just get back to it

1599
01:58:01,200 --> 01:58:05,540
just every all this justification feels very contradictory and and without a

1600
01:58:05,540 --> 01:58:12,200
your purpose for the next year, and if I would rather do the way the city manager is suggested,

1601
01:58:12,340 --> 01:58:18,760
I agree it doesn't long-term change the increase in taxes, but I think it's a more effective way

1602
01:58:18,760 --> 01:58:25,900
of administering the funds, and achieves the goals that you're saying this money would use for.

1603
01:58:28,210 --> 01:58:56,990
I mean, I just remembered my second question, is that am I also correct an understanding that if this revolving fund is being administered not by human services but by the haven that that means these funds would not, the funds in the revolving fund would not in any way affect human services but would instead go directly through the haven to

1604
01:58:57,430 --> 01:59:01,830
people who use that. Our plan is to use the haven to house and they will be the

1605
01:59:01,830 --> 01:59:04,790
mechanism. They're the administrative agent to perform that function. We don't

1606
01:59:04,790 --> 01:59:08,670
start writing check for them for that amount, but they will be a check for that amount

1607
01:59:08,670 --> 01:59:13,670
to go do that program. They run that program and we think it about 10 families that

1608
01:59:13,670 --> 01:59:19,130
are the year that would be able to meet the need of. That's it. But the whole year, I

1609
01:59:19,130 --> 01:59:21,950
mean there may be different families coming in at different points, but that's about

1610
01:59:21,950 --> 01:59:26,290
what it equates to. I don't know a whole lot of money to go home, very far. It's a big

1611
01:59:26,290 --> 01:59:27,910
that from where we were before.

1612
01:59:28,910 --> 01:59:31,450
And let's just be clear that people don't necessarily

1613
01:59:31,450 --> 01:59:32,430
just get checks.

1614
01:59:32,970 --> 01:59:35,910
A lot of what people need is help filling out applications

1615
01:59:35,910 --> 01:59:39,410
so that they can get state or federal dollars.

1616
01:59:39,730 --> 01:59:42,750
And that's what people in human services do.

1617
01:59:43,810 --> 01:59:46,950
So writing more checks is not necessarily the answer.

1618
01:59:47,210 --> 01:59:49,250
And that's not necessarily what's needed right now.

1619
01:59:49,510 --> 01:59:50,730
That might be part of it.

1620
01:59:50,790 --> 01:59:53,470
But also having an extra set of hands around

1621
01:59:53,470 --> 01:59:56,570
to help people fill out applications,

1622
01:59:57,430 --> 01:59:59,970
look on websites that they might not have access.

1623
02:00:00,000 --> 02:00:09,940
To a computer to do things like that are the type of things that I think are going to be needed in our human services department over the next few months.

1624
02:00:10,780 --> 02:00:23,200
And that is why I do feel there is a difference between putting $60,000 in the revolving fund or making this targeted appropriation.

1625
02:00:23,200 --> 02:00:25,300
Yeah, I want to be very clear.

1626
02:00:25,520 --> 02:00:29,520
I still stand by my motion and will vote in favor of it.

1627
02:00:30,840 --> 02:00:34,740
And the other thing piggybacking on Councillor Hill's point,

1628
02:00:36,740 --> 02:00:42,780
the state requires about 25 separate pages of application

1629
02:00:42,780 --> 02:00:45,640
to get heating assistance.

1630
02:00:47,260 --> 02:00:48,200
25 pages.

1631
02:00:50,710 --> 02:00:52,550
A lot of folks would need help doing that.

1632
02:00:52,550 --> 02:01:01,660
don't think I could do it. Where does that help come from? It comes from the sufficient human

1633
02:01:02,580 --> 02:01:08,940
resources in the human services department. That's what I'm trying to accomplish.

1634
02:01:12,380 --> 02:01:14,580
Before the discussion on this pose amendment,

1635
02:01:17,420 --> 02:01:19,940
let me take a vote on it then. All those

1636
02:01:19,940 --> 02:01:21,860
favor the amendment, please raise your hands.

1637
02:01:23,240 --> 02:01:26,900
One, two, three, four, five, all those opposed.

1638
02:01:28,540 --> 02:01:30,280
One, two, three, the amendment passes.

1639
02:01:32,100 --> 02:01:35,180
Are there any other proposed amendments to resolution number one?

1640
02:01:39,830 --> 02:01:40,230
Very none.

1641
02:01:40,450 --> 02:01:44,210
We will take a vote on the resolution with the two amendments.

1642
02:01:44,550 --> 02:01:47,490
Does anyone need any further explanation to amend a bottom line?

1643
02:01:48,990 --> 02:01:49,230
Okay.

1644
02:01:49,610 --> 02:01:50,430
And I have some comment.

1645
02:01:50,670 --> 02:01:51,430
Give it a bottom line.

1646
02:02:04,960 --> 02:02:05,360
Well,

1647
02:02:09,440 --> 02:02:14,360
no, you've got to add the 60,000. That just passed. Did you ask that then, too?

1648
02:02:14,360 --> 02:02:16,260
and 60, okay.

1649
02:02:17,960 --> 02:02:21,460
One of them, no, I haven't been in one yet, Councilor Hill.

1650
02:02:24,480 --> 02:02:26,560
Budget season is always difficult.

1651
02:02:27,500 --> 02:02:33,480
And I will keep my remarks brief because we've already been speaking quite a lot.

1652
02:02:35,340 --> 02:02:43,220
Well, it was really, I think one of this year, maybe more than any other year in the 18 years that I've been at this table.

1653
02:02:43,220 --> 02:02:53,360
I think that we are feeling more than ever the systemic inequality that Councillor Bielo talked about earlier of state tax policy.

1654
02:02:54,080 --> 02:03:03,060
The elephant in the room is that the state of New Hampshire provides the lowest amount of funding for public education in the entire country.

1655
02:03:03,060 --> 02:03:16,600
So we already start out from a place where local property taxpayers are burdened more than any other state here in New Hampshire.

1656
02:03:17,180 --> 02:03:23,480
So we're already dealing with massive injustice and unfairness at the local level.

1657
02:03:24,160 --> 02:03:29,740
On top of that, the city of Lebanon is in a particularly difficult situation.

1658
02:03:29,740 --> 02:03:50,020
We're home to officially 14,000, but it might be more like 15,600 people, and as the socioeconomic hub for the entire region during the day, we have two, three times that many people we are the center of a region of more than a hundred thousand people.

1659
02:03:50,020 --> 02:03:57,540
That means we have a police department that has to serve many more people than those that live here.

1660
02:03:57,740 --> 02:04:07,280
That means our police, our fire and EMS department is one of the busiest in the entire state of New Hampshire in terms of calls for service.

1661
02:04:09,930 --> 02:04:20,830
Our infrastructure, the wear and tear on our infrastructure is tremendous and it's much greater than if we were just 14,000 or even just 15,000.

1662
02:04:20,830 --> 02:04:26,970
We are serving a much larger population, and that is reflected in our municipal budget,

1663
02:04:27,470 --> 02:04:33,430
but because the state of New Hampshire requires that we pay for everything with property taxes,

1664
02:04:33,950 --> 02:04:39,050
it's the taxpayers of Lebanon who have to shoulder this burden of providing services to a

1665
02:04:39,050 --> 02:04:44,270
much larger population than that lives here. And it's even worse than that because while there's

1666
02:04:44,270 --> 02:04:46,570
15,000 people who live here.

1667
02:04:47,090 --> 02:04:48,970
The number of taxpayers is much smaller.

1668
02:04:49,490 --> 02:04:51,690
So there's only about 5,000 of us

1669
02:04:51,690 --> 02:04:55,250
who are actually footing the bill for all of this.

1670
02:04:55,970 --> 02:05:01,730
And that is the, I think in Lebanon,

1671
02:05:02,750 --> 02:05:07,950
we are Lebanon taxpayers are some of the most burdened

1672
02:05:07,950 --> 02:05:09,970
in the entire state of New Hampshire.

1673
02:05:10,370 --> 02:05:11,870
And we already know that New Hampshire

1674
02:05:11,870 --> 02:05:18,910
is the most burdened in the entire country, and I think that we here in Lebanon are faced

1675
02:05:18,910 --> 02:05:23,190
with just massive injustice and unfairness.

1676
02:05:24,010 --> 02:05:31,730
So this is why I have passionately advocated for years, decades now, to change tax policy

1677
02:05:31,730 --> 02:05:32,830
in the state of New Hampshire.

1678
02:05:33,210 --> 02:05:38,410
Councillor Bieleau, many of us have two, but Councillor Bieleau has really done incredible work

1679
02:05:38,410 --> 02:05:38,930
on this.

1680
02:05:38,930 --> 02:05:42,870
And we have had chances to make changes.

1681
02:05:43,650 --> 02:05:48,430
And yet there is a stranglehold on tax policy and new Hampshire.

1682
02:05:48,990 --> 02:05:56,770
But I think that it's time for us to build coalitions of taxpayers,

1683
02:05:57,150 --> 02:06:01,050
who are similarly burdened because something has to change.

1684
02:06:01,130 --> 02:06:04,350
Ms. Davis's point earlier tonight, it's not sustainable.

1685
02:06:04,350 --> 02:06:15,150
It is absolutely not sustainable for the tax policy in New Hampshire to continue placing this level of burden on the taxpayers in Lebanon.

1686
02:06:15,810 --> 02:06:23,050
It's not fair. It's not right, and I think all we can do is try and change it at the state level.

1687
02:06:23,950 --> 02:06:31,710
Now, speaking of sustainability at the local level, you know, it would be great if we could cut the budget.

1688
02:06:31,790 --> 02:06:36,630
It would be great if we didn't have to raise property taxes for percent.

1689
02:06:36,730 --> 02:06:41,230
It would be great if we didn't have to raise water and sewer rates, you know, seven and

1690
02:06:41,230 --> 02:06:43,530
eight percent like we did last week.

1691
02:06:45,530 --> 02:06:51,290
But sustainability requires that we look at the future and that we make good decisions today

1692
02:06:51,290 --> 02:06:54,430
so that we don't unfairly burden people in the future.

1693
02:06:55,450 --> 02:06:56,990
When I first came on to the council,

1694
02:06:57,690 --> 02:07:00,570
a previous council had decided that it would be a good idea

1695
02:07:00,570 --> 02:07:05,350
to go for 10 years with no water and sewer rate increases.

1696
02:07:05,990 --> 02:07:09,290
It was very popular, very popular with the water and sewer rate

1697
02:07:09,290 --> 02:07:10,650
fares of Lebanon.

1698
02:07:11,650 --> 02:07:14,990
But it was a terrible idea that was not sustainable.

1699
02:07:14,990 --> 02:07:22,970
And one year we had to raise the water, the sewer rates, 72% that was not sustainable.

1700
02:07:23,790 --> 02:07:30,710
And so while it's difficult to raise taxes, while it is difficult to raise rates, sometimes

1701
02:07:30,710 --> 02:07:38,870
it is what's required in the interest of sustainability and fairness and looking at the long-term

1702
02:07:41,270 --> 02:07:45,170
And being responsible with taxpayer dollars.

1703
02:07:45,590 --> 02:07:47,850
And I think that the budget, that those city manager,

1704
02:07:48,490 --> 02:07:49,810
has presented this evening.

1705
02:07:50,350 --> 02:07:53,950
We've heard from our department heads over the last several weeks.

1706
02:07:54,630 --> 02:07:57,890
I would do believe that this budget is responsible.

1707
02:07:58,590 --> 02:08:04,130
It is addressing our long-term needs while also being as sensitive as possible

1708
02:08:04,130 --> 02:08:08,210
to people's financial positions.

1709
02:08:10,090 --> 02:08:18,130
So, I'll be voting for this budget this evening and I am glad that the amendment, the earlier

1710
02:08:18,130 --> 02:08:23,770
amendment's past because I think that we are adding an additional level of support for

1711
02:08:23,770 --> 02:08:27,210
people in need over the next few months.

1712
02:08:27,950 --> 02:08:28,410
Thank you.

1713
02:08:54,200 --> 02:08:56,200
I just thought I'd bring that up.

1714
02:08:58,280 --> 02:09:00,780
We have violence with this a lot of evaluation for that out there.

1715
02:09:01,200 --> 02:09:05,640
The other thing I would point out, that's why I don't really want to say it here.

1716
02:09:05,940 --> 02:09:08,840
The other thing that I would point out, a similar vein,

1717
02:09:10,200 --> 02:09:14,280
not only do we have to figure out a better way to pay for the things that we want to pay for,

1718
02:09:14,360 --> 02:09:17,480
not using being solely dependent on property taxes.

1719
02:09:19,120 --> 02:09:38,170
It's even worse than that because the current legislatures have cut business taxes and that of course means that they have to get more property taxes in order to maintain the budget.

1720
02:09:38,170 --> 02:10:04,010
So it's bad enough that we're relying on property taxes so heavily, but then to go and then turn around and give tax cuts to basically the large box multinational corporations because smaller businesses are most of their income is most of their profit is not applicable for the tax.

1721
02:10:04,570 --> 02:10:06,350
So it's worse even in that.

1722
02:10:07,190 --> 02:10:09,390
So, we've ready to vote.

1723
02:10:09,890 --> 02:10:13,350
We're on member now voting on in 38,460,840,

1724
02:10:14,150 --> 02:10:15,470
all of general fund budget.

1725
02:10:16,930 --> 02:10:20,610
All those in favor of the resolution number one

1726
02:10:20,610 --> 02:10:23,110
has amended these are your hands.

1727
02:10:24,530 --> 02:10:26,750
And eight in favor, not opposed.

1728
02:10:28,450 --> 02:10:30,350
You're going to take a two minute break.

1729
02:10:31,470 --> 02:10:32,350
Three minutes.

1730
02:10:32,350 --> 02:10:33,510
This is my question.

1731
02:10:35,390 --> 02:10:36,750
Oh, okay.

1732
02:10:45,430 --> 02:10:46,450
I do.

1733
02:10:48,450 --> 02:10:49,590
He needs to have it all.

1734
02:10:51,630 --> 02:10:52,530
Do you want to support?

1735
02:10:53,990 --> 02:10:54,330
I do.

1736
02:13:23,240 --> 02:13:23,920
I

1737
02:13:27,820 --> 02:13:28,020
do.

1738
02:13:28,580 --> 02:13:29,140
I do.

1739
02:14:03,870 --> 02:14:08,350
It's too late for any challenge, let's guess we're not sleeping any time, guess we're not.

1740
02:17:19,500 --> 02:17:28,360
Now, be considering resolution number 2, which relates to the appropriation of 4,916,203 dollars for

1741
02:17:28,360 --> 02:17:36,900
solid waste disposal. Yes. In the past, we have just gone down the council table, and each

1742
02:17:36,900 --> 02:17:42,460
councillor has taken a resolution. I would propose unless there's objection that we do the same

1743
02:17:42,460 --> 02:17:46,800
thing, just to be able to move through all these resolutions. I would be lovely. Council, will we

1744
02:17:46,800 --> 02:17:47,660
you'd like to start?

1745
02:17:48,160 --> 02:17:48,760
Absolutely.

1746
02:17:49,780 --> 02:17:54,340
So resolution number two, motion by Councillor Wilkie to move passage of resolution number

1747
02:17:54,340 --> 02:18:02,360
two to appropriate $4,916,230 for solid waste disposal, resolved for the purpose of authorizing

1748
02:18:02,360 --> 02:18:07,360
and financing the solid waste disposal fund budget for the resolved by the city of Lebanon

1749
02:18:07,360 --> 02:18:13,500
that funds be raised and appropriated in the amount of $4,916,230.

1750
02:18:13,500 --> 02:18:17,280
This resolution shall be effective January 1, 2023.

1751
02:18:19,860 --> 02:18:24,570
I propose that the person to the left of the motion maker, that can.

1752
02:18:24,570 --> 02:18:26,150
I'm not going to get that specific.

1753
02:18:27,510 --> 02:18:28,610
I'm just, I don't find it.

1754
02:18:29,030 --> 02:18:29,450
I don't find it.

1755
02:18:29,450 --> 02:18:30,890
A little direction to the body.

1756
02:18:31,790 --> 02:18:33,730
Let's get into the over one.

1757
02:18:34,350 --> 02:18:34,470
So.

1758
02:18:35,210 --> 02:18:38,750
Any discussion of this particular motion?

1759
02:18:40,110 --> 02:18:40,670
A particular resolution.

1760
02:18:40,810 --> 02:18:41,250
Any discussion?

1761
02:18:42,010 --> 02:18:42,190
Okay.

1762
02:18:42,210 --> 02:18:42,730
All is in favor.

1763
02:18:44,330 --> 02:18:46,090
And it's unanimous.

1764
02:18:47,690 --> 02:18:49,890
That brings us to resolution number three.

1765
02:18:50,650 --> 02:18:53,590
I would move passage of resolution number three to appropriate.

1766
02:18:53,590 --> 02:19:00,830
4,436,960 dollars for water treatment and distribution, resolved for the purpose of authorizing

1767
02:19:00,830 --> 02:19:03,330
and financing the water treatment and distribution fund budget.

1768
02:19:03,850 --> 02:19:07,490
Be it further resolved by the city of Lebanon that funds be raised and appropriated in the

1769
02:19:07,490 --> 02:19:10,750
amount of 4,436,960 dollars.

1770
02:19:11,430 --> 02:19:14,370
The resolution shall be effective, January 1, 2023.

1771
02:19:14,370 --> 02:19:15,610
I was seconded that

1772
02:19:23,650 --> 02:19:24,390
much, unanimous.

1773
02:19:27,490 --> 02:19:28,890
Okay, would you like to do the next one?

1774
02:19:28,970 --> 02:19:30,070
This is going to be a long one.

1775
02:19:30,270 --> 02:19:30,490
Yes.

1776
02:19:31,570 --> 02:19:35,330
I move passage of resolution number four to appropriate.

1777
02:19:36,070 --> 02:19:41,950
7,862,20 dollars for sewage collection and disposal.

1778
02:19:42,630 --> 02:19:45,110
Resolve for the purpose of authorizing and financing.

1779
02:19:45,550 --> 02:19:48,310
The sewage collection and disposal fund budget.

1780
02:19:48,650 --> 02:19:50,370
Further resolved by the city of Lebanon,

1781
02:19:50,610 --> 02:19:53,170
that funds raised and appropriated in the amount of 7,

1782
02:19:53,170 --> 02:19:55,550
May and $862,020.

1783
02:19:57,710 --> 02:19:59,090
This resolution shall be effective.

1784
02:19:59,250 --> 02:20:00,490
January 1, 2023.

1785
02:20:01,330 --> 02:20:02,650
Second on that.

1786
02:20:02,770 --> 02:20:03,830
That's a widdle of seconds.

1787
02:20:07,690 --> 02:20:09,110
Read this question on this.

1788
02:20:11,030 --> 02:20:11,970
Hold on to the favor.

1789
02:20:15,350 --> 02:20:15,950
Animus...

1790
02:20:15,950 --> 02:20:17,790
Resolution 5.

1791
02:20:19,830 --> 02:20:20,290
Thank you.

1792
02:20:21,110 --> 02:20:22,230
I move to...

1793
02:20:23,030 --> 02:20:25,710
The passage of resolution number 5 to appropriate

1794
02:20:25,710 --> 02:20:34,630
$2,035,470 from municipal airport operations resolved for the purpose of authorizing and financing

1795
02:20:34,630 --> 02:20:39,690
the municipal airport on the budget, be it further resolved by the City of Lebanon that funds

1796
02:20:39,690 --> 02:20:45,290
be raised and appropriated in the amount of $2,000, $35,470.

1797
02:20:45,610 --> 02:20:48,890
This resolution shall be in effect January 1, 2020.

1798
02:20:48,890 --> 02:20:51,950
Thank you for the second for that.

1799
02:20:52,090 --> 02:20:53,210
How's your slate seconds?

1800
02:20:55,990 --> 02:20:56,530
The discussion?

1801
02:20:57,610 --> 02:20:58,610
I was in favor.

1802
02:21:00,450 --> 02:21:01,150
Ladies and gentlemen,

1803
02:21:03,190 --> 02:21:03,990
how's it going?

1804
02:21:05,530 --> 02:21:10,290
I move passage resolution number six to appropriate $25,000

1805
02:21:10,290 --> 02:21:12,510
for emergency preparedness.

1806
02:21:15,010 --> 02:21:17,570
Resolved for the purpose of authorizing and financing the

1807
02:21:17,570 --> 02:21:19,010
Emergency Management Fund budget.

1808
02:21:19,510 --> 02:21:21,230
Be it further resolved by the city of Lebanon.

1809
02:21:21,230 --> 02:21:26,190
that funds be raised and appropriated in the amount of $25,000, the resolution shall be effective

1810
02:21:26,190 --> 02:21:28,850
January 1, 2020, 23.

1811
02:21:29,170 --> 02:21:30,730
There was a second to council's looks motion,

1812
02:21:32,980 --> 02:21:33,840
five in seconds,

1813
02:21:36,230 --> 02:21:36,810
any discussion?

1814
02:21:38,410 --> 02:21:40,930
How is the favor, and is it in the end?

1815
02:21:41,770 --> 02:21:41,910
Yeah.

1816
02:21:45,000 --> 02:21:52,560
Let's see, Councilor Seix, number seven, number seven, number seven, number five,

1817
02:21:58,640 --> 02:22:02,460
I'm Chris, can you turn on your microphone?

1818
02:22:03,120 --> 02:22:03,860
My apologies.

1819
02:22:04,300 --> 02:22:05,160
There we go.

1820
02:22:05,640 --> 02:22:12,220
Councilscikes moves the passage of resolution number 7 to appropriate $400 for historic resources

1821
02:22:12,220 --> 02:22:19,260
and preservation efforts resolved for the purpose of authorizing and financing the heritage fund budget.

1822
02:22:19,260 --> 02:22:24,360
be it further resolved by the city of Lebanon that fund be raised and appropriated the amount of

1823
02:22:24,360 --> 02:22:29,240
$400. This resolution shall be effective January 1st, 2023.

1824
02:22:29,820 --> 02:22:30,680
It was second for that,

1825
02:22:33,390 --> 02:22:34,230
those of you seconds.

1826
02:22:35,270 --> 02:22:36,770
You did the left thing.

1827
02:22:38,430 --> 02:22:40,470
All those in favor?

1828
02:22:43,420 --> 02:22:45,020
We, yes, it is.

1829
02:22:45,560 --> 02:22:49,660
Yes, Councillor Wilkie, I don't know, it's Councillor Wilkie's turn.

1830
02:22:50,580 --> 02:22:51,140
Go for it.

1831
02:22:51,140 --> 02:23:07,320
All right, motion to move passage of resolution number eight A to appropriate six hundred twenty thirty thousand seven hundred seventy dollars for the downtown Lebanon tax increment finance district. Resolve for the purpose of financing the downtown Lebanon tax increment finance district fund.

1832
02:23:07,640 --> 02:23:14,400
Be it further resolved by the city of Lebanon that funds be raised and appropriated in the amount of six hundred twenty three thousand seven hundred and seventy dollars.

1833
02:23:14,400 --> 02:23:17,720
This resolution shall be effective January 1, 2023.

1834
02:23:18,600 --> 02:23:21,880
Second to that, council will be seconds.

1835
02:23:23,120 --> 02:23:25,800
The discussion, all those in favor.

1836
02:23:27,300 --> 02:23:28,900
Do you have unanimous?

1837
02:23:29,080 --> 02:23:30,320
Councillor Wilkie, 8B.

1838
02:23:30,560 --> 02:23:36,860
Yes, motion by Councillor Wilkie to move passage of resolution number 8B to appropriate $10 for

1839
02:23:36,860 --> 02:23:41,680
the 11 in airport tech part, park, tax, increment, finance, district.

1840
02:23:41,680 --> 02:23:48,780
Resolved for the purpose of financing the Lebanon airport tech park tax increment finance district fund

1841
02:23:48,780 --> 02:23:56,980
Be it further resolved by the city of Lebanon that funds be raised and appropriated in the amount of ten dollars this Resolution shall be effective January 1 2020

1842
02:23:56,980 --> 02:23:57,780
30

1843
02:23:57,780 --> 02:23:59,180
So much for that

1844
02:23:59,180 --> 02:24:00,140
Second

1845
02:24:06,210 --> 02:24:06,870
All

1846
02:24:13,140 --> 02:24:13,900
those passage

1847
02:24:13,900 --> 02:24:21,820
Resolution number nine to appropriate thirty nine million two hundred fifty five thousand five hundred forty dollars for capital improvements and acquisitions

1848
02:24:21,820 --> 02:24:28,320
Resolve for the purpose of authorizing and financing the capital improvements funds budget be it further resolved by the city of Lebanon

1849
02:24:28,320 --> 02:24:49,040
That funds be appropriated in the amount of 39 million 255,540 dollars for expenditure in connection with the following capital improvements and acquisitions as shown on the table on page 34 of 67 of the December 14th city council budget packet

1850
02:24:49,040 --> 02:24:59,540
The further is on by the city of Lebanon that the city manager is authorized to take steps necessary and appropriate to apply for and secure maximum federal and state grant funding assistance.

1851
02:24:59,880 --> 02:25:02,980
This resolution shall be effective January 1, 2023.

1852
02:25:08,120 --> 02:25:17,600
I'd just like to say, if I can, I want to just highlight the discussion that we had at the last meeting that with regard to West Lebanon.

1853
02:25:17,600 --> 02:25:26,720
that we are making this appropriation and we hope that, at least as my understanding, we hope

1854
02:25:26,720 --> 02:25:35,940
that the federal funds will be approved to make the West Lebanon capital improvements possible,

1855
02:25:37,040 --> 02:25:42,280
but that even if those federal funds somehow fall through and don't become available,

1856
02:25:42,280 --> 02:25:52,760
that we are also appropriating $2 million of city funds that can be used in some way to continue

1857
02:25:52,760 --> 02:26:01,280
the momentum in West Lebanon on the streetscape improvements and that the city manager plans

1858
02:26:01,280 --> 02:26:08,140
to come back to the council to discuss that more so that we can consider how to keep the

1859
02:26:08,140 --> 02:26:17,740
I'm going in West Lebanon even if for some reason the federal funds don't become available as we hope is that is that a fair characterization

1860
02:26:24,910 --> 02:26:27,050
This project is continuing upon those

1861
02:26:29,840 --> 02:26:34,930
funds it those the federal funds were not actually available to us because that's how you voted this and you as you should

1862
02:26:35,600 --> 02:26:39,830
That we're making it a sum from going to get those money to match the local funds. So if that doesn't happen

1863
02:26:39,830 --> 02:26:45,150
And then that's also part because we need to come back and have further discussions on it.

1864
02:26:45,290 --> 02:26:48,970
And that's what I understood was that you said, if the federal funds don't come through,

1865
02:26:49,070 --> 02:26:53,850
you'll come back to talk about how we could use potentially the 1.3 million dollars

1866
02:26:53,850 --> 02:26:59,110
that we're appropriating tonight of city funds to be able to keep some things moving maybe

1867
02:26:59,110 --> 02:27:06,790
consider a phase approach or some other way of keeping things moving forward in West Lebanon

1868
02:27:06,790 --> 02:27:19,270
So, that I just want to make it clear that even if the federal funds don't come through, we're taking action tonight so that we can keep the progress going in West Lebanon one way or another.

1869
02:27:20,390 --> 02:27:21,690
Correct. We're taking the appropriate steps to move.

1870
02:27:22,350 --> 02:27:22,910
Thank you.

1871
02:27:31,550 --> 02:27:31,870
Yes.

1872
02:27:32,910 --> 02:27:42,070
I move passage of resolution number 10 to authorize the issuance of bonds or notes to finance 2023 capital improvements resolved by the city of Lebanon.

1873
02:27:42,070 --> 02:27:46,610
the city treasurer with approval of the city managers authorized to issue an accordance with the

1874
02:27:46,610 --> 02:27:54,510
municipal finance act, RSA-33, a bond issue or bond issues and the amount not to exceed

1875
02:27:54,510 --> 02:28:05,450
17 million 22,970 dollars as follows referencing a table on page 35 of our packet.

1876
02:28:05,450 --> 02:28:11,990
The further resolve that except as hearing otherwise provided discretion to fix the dates,

1877
02:28:12,350 --> 02:28:17,790
maturitys, denominators, interest rate, form and other details of said notes, issues

1878
02:28:17,790 --> 02:28:22,210
is hereby delegated to the city treasure with the approval of the city manager.

1879
02:28:22,810 --> 02:28:26,050
The further resolve that in accordance with the requirements of the municipal finance,

1880
02:28:26,470 --> 02:28:32,110
RSA-33, Colin II, Repiminal Loans, no loans issued to pay for public quirks or improvements

1881
02:28:32,110 --> 02:28:37,970
shall be shall exceed the expected useful life of said public works are improvements as determined

1882
02:28:37,970 --> 02:28:44,150
by the city council as designated in the for going table. This resolution shall be effective

1883
02:28:44,150 --> 02:28:45,750
January 1, 2023.

1884
02:28:53,130 --> 02:28:53,750
Discussion?

1885
02:29:06,100 --> 02:29:06,940
Who are we out of the world?

1886
02:29:07,260 --> 02:29:07,320
Left.

1887
02:29:15,400 --> 02:29:16,480
Hang on.

1888
02:29:17,240 --> 02:29:18,260
I, Councillor Simon,

1889
02:29:18,600 --> 02:29:21,020
to move the passage of resolution number 11,

1890
02:29:21,440 --> 02:29:23,360
to authorize the city manager to apply for a

1891
02:29:23,360 --> 02:29:25,800
New Hampshire Clean Water State Revolving Fund

1892
02:29:25,800 --> 02:29:29,940
loans up to $1,387,250.

1893
02:29:31,480 --> 02:29:33,560
And to designate the city manager as

1894
02:29:33,560 --> 02:29:36,500
authorized representative of the city.

1895
02:29:38,160 --> 02:29:47,280
I mean, we're at, in accordance with the table as printed on page 36 of 67 of tonight's

1896
02:29:47,280 --> 02:29:54,040
dated packet, whereas the city of Lebanon after thorough consideration of the nature of

1897
02:29:54,040 --> 02:29:59,720
water pollution problems hereby determines that construction of certain works described as sewer

1898
02:29:59,720 --> 02:29:59,960
I'm sorry.

1899
02:30:00,000 --> 02:30:11,880
Production Improvement Projects for Kimmel Street and Forest Avenue in the amount of $469,000, South Main Street Bridge, $5,000,

1900
02:30:12,100 --> 02:30:20,120
Established Circle and Maple Street, $23,250, and Baker's crossing sewer, forest main, replacement,

1901
02:30:20,120 --> 02:30:28,080
and $890,000, our desirable and in the public interest and to the end, it is desired to apply

1902
02:30:28,080 --> 02:30:39,180
for assistance from clean water, the revolving fund of up to $1,387,250, and sorry, to the

1903
02:30:39,180 --> 02:30:39,520
break.

1904
02:30:42,080 --> 02:30:50,380
Yeah, whereas the city of Lebanon has examined and do we consider the provisions of RSA-486-14,

1905
02:30:50,380 --> 02:30:58,200
and the New Hampshire Code of Administrative Rules Chapter can have a little help with what that abbreviation is.

1906
02:30:58,660 --> 02:31:16,460
It's E&B-WQ-500, which relate to loans from clean water, date revolving fund, and deems it to be in the public interest to file loan applications and to authorize other actions and connection there with.

1907
02:31:16,460 --> 02:31:24,180
we're halfway home folks. Now, therefore, be it resolved by the City of Lebanon City Council that

1908
02:31:24,180 --> 02:31:30,280
won the City Manager is here by authorized on behalf of the City to file an application for

1909
02:31:30,280 --> 02:31:34,820
a loan to be made in accordance with the New Hampshire Code of Administrative Rules,

1910
02:31:34,820 --> 02:31:44,460
ENV-WQ 5002 that if such loan be made city agrees to repay the loan as stipulated in the loan agreement

1911
02:31:44,460 --> 02:31:51,640
three that the city manager is here by authorized to furnish such information to and to take such

1912
02:31:51,640 --> 02:31:57,510
action as maybe necessary to enable the city to qualify for the loan for the city.

1913
02:31:57,510 --> 02:32:01,610
excuse me, that the city manager is here by

1914
02:32:01,610 --> 02:32:05,670
Desi, I'm losing my spot. Desi, as the

1915
02:32:05,670 --> 02:32:09,070
authorized representative of the city for the purpose of

1916
02:32:09,070 --> 02:32:13,510
furnishing such information data documents pertaining to the city for

1917
02:32:13,510 --> 02:32:17,890
alone as may be required and otherwise to act as the authorized

1918
02:32:17,890 --> 02:32:21,990
representative of the city in connection with the application

1919
02:32:21,990 --> 02:32:27,490
five that certified copies of this resolution be included as part of

1920
02:32:27,490 --> 02:32:30,150
of the application and be submitted for the loan.

1921
02:32:30,350 --> 02:32:32,930
Six, that if such loan be made, the city agrees

1922
02:32:32,930 --> 02:32:34,870
to make provisions for assuming proper

1923
02:32:34,870 --> 02:32:38,130
and efficient operation and maintenance of the facilities

1924
02:32:38,130 --> 02:32:41,210
after completion of the construction thereof.

1925
02:32:41,410 --> 02:32:44,950
This resolution shall be effective January 1, 2023.

1926
02:32:48,990 --> 02:32:49,910
Come a second to the motion.

1927
02:32:52,550 --> 02:32:53,370
It's not a mistake.

1928
02:32:53,410 --> 02:32:55,330
If that gets zero dollars paid for you.

1929
02:32:55,670 --> 02:32:58,370
May your math come out, not hearing you.

1930
02:32:58,370 --> 02:33:06,310
I'm sorry. The motion was seconded by Council of Zuck. Any further discussion? All those in favour?

1931
02:33:07,770 --> 02:33:08,830
It's unanimous.

1932
02:33:09,130 --> 02:33:10,370
Thank you.

1933
02:33:14,530 --> 02:33:15,250
We get a better one.

1934
02:33:15,610 --> 02:33:17,930
Yeah, Council of Zuck, I'll over that one.

1935
02:33:21,270 --> 02:33:21,630
Councilor,

1936
02:33:29,250 --> 02:33:32,170
please, do you need to turn on your microphone?

1937
02:33:32,850 --> 02:33:33,310
Sorry.

1938
02:33:35,390 --> 02:33:36,030
But

1939
02:33:39,200 --> 02:33:46,040
up to $3,100,000, $1,500, and to designate the city manager as authorized representative

1940
02:33:46,040 --> 02:33:52,420
of the city as represented in the table at the bottom of page 36 of 67 of our packet from

1941
02:33:52,420 --> 02:33:52,840
tonight.

1942
02:33:53,900 --> 02:33:58,320
Whereas the city of Lebanon, after thorough consideration of the nature of water pollution

1943
02:33:58,320 --> 02:34:03,000
problems, hereby determines that construction of certain works described as water infrastructure

1944
02:34:03,000 --> 02:34:08,860
Improvement Projects for Kimble Street and Forest Avenue, $780,000, $780,000.

1945
02:34:08,940 --> 02:34:15,920
South Main Street Bridge, $200,000, Miracle Mile, $2,077,000, $1,000, and Estabrook Circle

1946
02:34:15,920 --> 02:34:22,180
and Maple Street, $46,500, are desirable and in the public interest and to that end,

1947
02:34:22,760 --> 02:34:28,860
it is desired to apply for assistance from the drinking water state revolving fund up to $3,100,500.

1948
02:34:28,860 --> 02:34:33,280
dollars. And whereas the city of Lebanon has examined and

1949
02:34:33,280 --> 02:34:37,260
duly considered the provisions of New Hampshire Code of Administrative Rules, Chapter

1950
02:34:37,260 --> 02:34:43,180
E&B-W1100, which relates to loans from the drinking water state revolving fund and

1951
02:34:43,180 --> 02:34:48,320
deems it to be in the public interest to file loan applications and to authorize other actions

1952
02:34:48,320 --> 02:34:55,000
in connection therewith. Now therefore be it resolved by the city of Lebanon City Council,

1953
02:34:55,000 --> 02:35:03,460
that one, the city manager, is hereby authorized on behalf of the city to file an application for a loan to be made in accordance with New Hampshire Code of Administrative Rules,

1954
02:35:03,500 --> 02:35:11,460
tapures, E&B, dash, D, W, 1100, two, that if such loan be made, the city agrees to repay the loan as stipulated in the loan agreement.

1955
02:35:12,040 --> 02:35:21,600
Three, that the city manager is hereby authorized to furnish such information and to take such other action as maybe necessary to enable the city to qualify for the loan.

1956
02:35:21,600 --> 02:35:36,740
Or the city manager is hereby designated as the authorized representative of the city for the purpose of furnishing such information data and documents pertaining to the city for alone as maybe required and otherwise to act as the authorized representative of the city in connection with this application.

1957
02:35:38,180 --> 02:35:43,560
Five that certified copies of this resolution be included as part of the application to be submitted for a loan.

1958
02:35:44,340 --> 02:35:52,620
Six that if such loan be made, the city agrees to make provisions for assuming proper and efficient operation and maintenance of the facilities after completion of the construction thereafter.

1959
02:35:53,080 --> 02:35:56,680
This resolution shall be effective January 1st, 2020-30.

1960
02:35:56,680 --> 02:35:59,180
for a second for that?

1961
02:35:59,180 --> 02:35:59,460
Sure.

1962
02:36:00,080 --> 02:36:00,960
About a couple of seconds.

1963
02:36:01,880 --> 02:36:02,780
Any further discussion?

1964
02:36:04,340 --> 02:36:05,140
All those in favor?

1965
02:36:06,720 --> 02:36:07,540
I'm just unanimous.

1966
02:36:07,760 --> 02:36:08,640
Thank you.

1967
02:36:08,920 --> 02:36:10,340
Number 13, Councilor Sikes.

1968
02:36:11,620 --> 02:36:12,700
Councilor Sikes moves.

1969
02:36:13,340 --> 02:36:13,760
You passage.

1970
02:36:14,620 --> 02:36:14,840
Result.

1971
02:36:16,180 --> 02:36:16,960
Is that on now?

1972
02:36:17,360 --> 02:36:17,520
Yep.

1973
02:36:17,760 --> 02:36:17,880
Thank you.

1974
02:36:21,540 --> 02:36:22,860
I know.

1975
02:36:23,400 --> 02:36:24,340
That's slowly.

1976
02:36:26,160 --> 02:36:32,560
Council on Sykes moves passage of resolution number 13 to authorize the dispersement of water

1977
02:36:32,560 --> 02:36:40,040
investment fee funds to partially fund the new source of water supply study resolved by the

1978
02:36:40,040 --> 02:36:46,260
city of Lebanon that funds in the amount not to exceed $175,000 be dispersed from the water

1979
02:36:46,260 --> 02:36:51,940
investment fees fund to the capital improvements fund to partially fund the new source water

1980
02:36:51,940 --> 02:36:57,720
supply study. This resolution shall be effective January 1st, 2023. Thank you to you

1981
02:36:57,720 --> 02:37:00,840
of a second to that motion. I'll see you in the next few seconds.

1982
02:37:01,940 --> 02:37:09,660
Good idea. Any discussion? Almost in favor. And it is unanimous. Thank you.

1983
02:37:10,460 --> 02:37:16,940
Board, Dean Council, what is it? Motion move passage of resolution number 14 to expand

1984
02:37:16,940 --> 02:37:21,240
the purpose of an existing capital reserve fund in accordance with the Hampshire RSA 34

1985
02:37:21,240 --> 02:37:23,960
or coal in 11, results by the city of Lebanon

1986
02:37:23,960 --> 02:37:26,400
that the purpose of the police department equipment vehicles

1987
02:37:26,400 --> 02:37:28,820
and improvements capital reserve fund established

1988
02:37:28,820 --> 02:37:32,520
on December 20, 2017 is expanded from aggregating resources

1989
02:37:32,520 --> 02:37:35,260
to affect acquisitions and capital repairs maintenance

1990
02:37:35,260 --> 02:37:38,020
and or upgrades of police department related equipment vehicles

1991
02:37:38,020 --> 02:37:41,160
and facilities to also include the purchase use maintenance

1992
02:37:41,160 --> 02:37:43,960
and periodic upgrading of the police department software.

1993
02:37:44,560 --> 02:37:48,040
That the capital reserve fund is renamed the police department

1994
02:37:48,040 --> 02:37:59,240
Equipment vehicles improvements and software capital reserve fund that the city manager shall be the agent of the city to carry out the objects of the fund as established by the city council. This resolution is effective upon passage.

1995
02:37:59,660 --> 02:38:00,360
Thank you. Two seconds.

1996
02:38:00,360 --> 02:38:02,200
Councilor Slyke's second.

1997
02:38:03,420 --> 02:38:04,000
Any discussion?

1998
02:38:05,380 --> 02:38:05,980
That was in favor?

1999
02:38:07,280 --> 02:38:08,220
And it is, we have.

2000
02:38:10,540 --> 02:38:11,420
Yes, Councilor Wookie.

2001
02:38:11,700 --> 02:38:12,260
Gladly.

2002
02:38:12,560 --> 02:38:15,300
Motion by Councillor Wilke to move passage of resolution.

2003
02:38:15,640 --> 02:38:20,360
Number 15 to establish a public assistance revolving fund in accordance with New Hampshire RSA.

2004
02:38:21,100 --> 02:38:27,640
31 colon 95 heightened each resolved by the city of Lebanon that a public assistance revolving fund be established

2005
02:38:27,640 --> 02:38:33,180
For the purpose of accumulating resources to provide general assistance for housing and emergency shelter,

2006
02:38:33,440 --> 02:38:57,620
food, fuel utilities and other basic necessities of the public welfare function, for which the city is responsible in accordance with New Hampshire RSA 165-8 to assisted persons that money in the public assistance revolving fund shall accumulate from year to year, and shall not be considered part of the city's general fund and that the city manager shall be the agent of the city to carry out the object.

2007
02:38:57,620 --> 02:39:00,380
of the fund as established by the City Council.

2008
02:39:00,860 --> 02:39:02,820
This resolution is effective upon passage.

2009
02:39:05,530 --> 02:39:06,650
Council, what will see seconds?

2010
02:39:07,330 --> 02:39:07,870
Discussion?

2011
02:39:08,490 --> 02:39:09,530
I just have one question.

2012
02:39:10,330 --> 02:39:13,170
All the other resolutions have dollar amounts associated with

2013
02:39:13,170 --> 02:39:14,270
this one does not.

2014
02:39:14,550 --> 02:39:16,330
And so I was just a little clarification.

2015
02:39:16,790 --> 02:39:17,170
Excuse me.

2016
02:39:17,170 --> 02:39:17,570
Excuse me.

2017
02:39:18,290 --> 02:39:18,890
Okay.

2018
02:39:19,010 --> 02:39:19,930
Thank you.

2019
02:39:19,990 --> 02:39:20,730
Any further discussion?

2020
02:39:20,830 --> 02:39:21,810
We got to create it first.

2021
02:39:22,090 --> 02:39:22,310
Get in.

2022
02:39:22,470 --> 02:39:22,930
Okay.

2023
02:39:23,850 --> 02:39:25,590
I just missed it.

2024
02:39:26,590 --> 02:39:27,530
Any further discussion?

2025
02:39:33,370 --> 02:39:45,850
I will move passage of resolution number 16 to authorize the transfer of unincumbered appropriated fiscal year 2022 general funds as follows.

2026
02:39:46,990 --> 02:39:56,330
Resolved by the city of Lebanon that the city manager is authorized to transfer unincumbered appropriated funds from the 2022 general fund to other municipal funds as follows.

2027
02:39:56,330 --> 02:40:24,910
And amount up to but not exceeding $250,000 to the DPW equipment and vehicles capital reserve fund and amount up to but not exceeding $500,000 to the fire department equipment and vehicles capital reserve fund and amount up to but not exceeding $425,000 to the police department equipment vehicles improvements and software capital reserve fund and amount up to but not exceeding $100,000 to the public assistance revolving fund.

2028
02:40:24,910 --> 02:40:26,970
This resolution is effective upon passage.

2029
02:40:27,470 --> 02:40:28,110
It was second.

2030
02:40:28,890 --> 02:40:30,230
It's a Wilkie seconds.

2031
02:40:32,830 --> 02:40:33,650
Potential amendment.

2032
02:40:36,070 --> 02:40:37,050
It's just may be alone.

2033
02:40:37,450 --> 02:40:41,530
I would move to amend the bottom line to read it in a map.

2034
02:40:41,850 --> 02:40:44,590
Two, but not exceeding 150,000.

2035
02:40:44,770 --> 02:40:46,410
The public insistence will be involved in one.

2036
02:40:46,930 --> 02:40:47,290
Second.

2037
02:40:48,990 --> 02:40:49,110
Okay.

2038
02:40:50,310 --> 02:40:51,570
Any discussion about amendment?

2039
02:40:53,500 --> 02:40:56,220
We just raised another 16 now.

2040
02:40:56,340 --> 02:40:58,060
You're putting another 50, which has to come out of that.

2041
02:40:58,060 --> 02:41:00,660
on a signed fund balance where we already have a hold.

2042
02:41:02,040 --> 02:41:03,660
So now you're double-dipping into that.

2043
02:41:03,840 --> 02:41:04,960
You're magnifying that problem.

2044
02:41:06,000 --> 02:41:07,300
So I recommend it in one of the,

2045
02:41:07,320 --> 02:41:08,220
I didn't recommend either one,

2046
02:41:08,280 --> 02:41:10,940
but if you're gonna do it this method with the 60,000,

2047
02:41:11,120 --> 02:41:13,760
but now you're up in the ante even more.

2048
02:41:14,580 --> 02:41:16,580
So I suggest that there's not ways to do.

2049
02:41:16,980 --> 02:41:17,760
May I ask a question?

2050
02:41:18,300 --> 02:41:22,200
I'm curious, based on the language it sounds like

2051
02:41:22,820 --> 02:41:25,800
the city manager is authorized to transfer an amount

2052
02:41:25,800 --> 02:41:32,300
up to $150,000,000, does that mean that you would still be able to transfer only the $100,000?

2053
02:41:32,560 --> 02:41:36,320
Well, if it's the intent of the council to do that amount of it, the reason why it's

2054
02:41:36,320 --> 02:41:40,220
is up to, I'm not sure I'm going to have that money left over to do all these amounts.

2055
02:41:40,700 --> 02:41:45,640
And I may not need some of them, like, far from a little bit number down a little bit.

2056
02:41:45,740 --> 02:41:48,900
It's the same thing with the clean shop where we think it's a little bit smaller than that.

2057
02:41:49,100 --> 02:41:50,480
So I'll put a small amount there.

2058
02:41:50,480 --> 02:41:58,420
But if you really want me to spend 150,000, my plan is to put it in there, if it's available, that's what I'm going to do.

2059
02:41:59,080 --> 02:42:09,760
So, that's what, if the inflexibility really is only intended to make sure I actually have it at the end of the year we've got more weeks for the actual end of the year, but we won't pay all our bills until March.

2060
02:42:12,040 --> 02:42:13,120
Yes, the system is available.

2061
02:42:14,820 --> 02:42:18,400
Well, clearly says it amount up to, but not exceeding.

2062
02:42:18,400 --> 02:42:23,460
And I think we anticipate that there might be more need than this possibly.

2063
02:42:23,580 --> 02:42:28,580
And if there isn't, and you do, it's not my obscene.

2064
02:42:29,040 --> 02:42:34,000
So that's 50,000, you don't need to land to put into the front, the front one here.

2065
02:42:34,240 --> 02:42:36,820
I just think it provides flexibility that could be useful.

2066
02:42:37,140 --> 02:42:40,760
It could avoid the need to have to do an additional preparation in the middle of the year.

2067
02:42:41,780 --> 02:42:46,180
And I don't consider it as a mandate to do up to that amount,

2068
02:42:46,180 --> 02:42:49,040
But it gives you the flexibility to do it if it's needed.

2069
02:42:50,140 --> 02:42:51,300
Before the discussion?

2070
02:42:52,100 --> 02:42:53,000
Yes, Councillor Sight.

2071
02:42:54,000 --> 02:42:59,260
Yeah, I would support this amendment because as Councillor Bilo pointed out, and the

2072
02:42:59,260 --> 02:43:04,200
manager himself pointed out for the other funds, it doesn't necessarily have to spend all the money,

2073
02:43:04,220 --> 02:43:08,540
and he may not need to, but at least he can if necessary.

2074
02:43:09,120 --> 02:43:09,540
Thank you.

2075
02:43:09,640 --> 02:43:10,440
Any further discussion?

2076
02:43:11,680 --> 02:43:11,960
Yes.

2077
02:43:12,120 --> 02:43:13,440
Was there a second to this amendment?

2078
02:43:14,260 --> 02:43:14,460
Yes.

2079
02:43:14,460 --> 02:43:15,360
I didn't think of it.

2080
02:43:15,560 --> 02:43:15,660
Yes.

2081
02:43:15,880 --> 02:43:16,660
You got to hear the second.

2082
02:43:17,440 --> 02:43:18,420
Hey, further discussion?

2083
02:43:19,960 --> 02:43:20,560
I'll vote in favor.

2084
02:43:21,800 --> 02:43:26,120
I'll be a member of the amendments, just the member we're moving on.

2085
02:43:26,700 --> 02:43:26,800
Opposed?

2086
02:43:27,480 --> 02:43:28,940
Vote is seven in favor.

2087
02:43:29,240 --> 02:43:29,780
I want to pose.

2088
02:43:29,960 --> 02:43:30,740
The amendment passes.

2089
02:43:31,780 --> 02:43:33,080
You ready to vote in the main motion?

2090
02:43:36,010 --> 02:43:36,830
All those in favor?

2091
02:43:39,500 --> 02:43:39,980
Student anonymous.

2092
02:43:40,460 --> 02:43:40,800
Thank you.

2093
02:43:46,030 --> 02:43:47,710
That takes care of the budget, folks.

2094
02:43:48,650 --> 02:43:50,010
But it doesn't take care of the meeting.

2095
02:43:51,070 --> 02:43:53,390
So, just one more thing.

2096
02:43:53,450 --> 02:43:54,350
Two more cases.

2097
02:43:55,070 --> 02:43:55,250
Two more.

2098
02:43:55,830 --> 02:43:56,430
Two more things.

2099
02:43:56,490 --> 02:44:01,650
So our next item of new business is the proposed city charter amendment.

2100
02:44:02,130 --> 02:44:06,190
And would you like to just briefly explain what we're doing here?

2101
02:44:06,670 --> 02:44:06,770
Yes.

2102
02:44:06,770 --> 02:44:12,230
Since there's a second reading in the public hearing for ordinance 18.

2103
02:44:12,450 --> 02:44:14,350
Yeah, that this is the order to send a mic back.

2104
02:44:14,770 --> 02:44:15,630
You know what?

2105
02:44:15,790 --> 02:44:17,170
It's not in a packet.

2106
02:44:17,670 --> 02:44:19,510
It's a second reading sign in our packet.

2107
02:44:21,130 --> 02:44:23,290
Well, whatever, it's not in our packet.

2108
02:44:23,490 --> 02:44:24,890
It's not in this order.

2109
02:44:24,990 --> 02:44:29,690
Do you want to find it and get it for us so we can really do it?

2110
02:44:29,690 --> 02:44:30,910
Okay, it's on the agenda.

2111
02:44:31,190 --> 02:44:33,610
It's on the agenda, but there's nothing in the agenda.

2112
02:44:34,830 --> 02:44:34,950
It's on the agenda.

2113
02:44:34,950 --> 02:44:35,250
I don't know.

2114
02:44:35,310 --> 02:44:35,870
I don't know.

2115
02:44:36,310 --> 02:44:38,290
So I do a lot of the charter.

2116
02:44:38,370 --> 02:44:38,710
Charter?

2117
02:44:39,170 --> 02:44:42,170
Well, that's what's next in my packet is a charter member.

2118
02:44:43,650 --> 02:44:46,010
So there's someone who will discuss the charter member.

2119
02:44:47,870 --> 02:44:50,290
Well, are we doing the public hearing?

2120
02:44:50,450 --> 02:44:50,810
What do we have to do?

2121
02:44:50,970 --> 02:44:51,250
What are we doing?

2122
02:44:51,630 --> 02:44:52,330
Yeah, we have a presentation.

2123
02:44:52,690 --> 02:44:53,770
Public hearing, sir.

2124
02:44:54,090 --> 02:44:54,490
You want to do that?

2125
02:44:54,550 --> 02:44:54,710
I don't know.

2126
02:44:56,050 --> 02:44:56,570
No, no.

2127
02:44:56,730 --> 02:44:57,630
Let's do the target.

2128
02:44:57,770 --> 02:44:58,290
We can do the target.

2129
02:44:59,590 --> 02:44:59,910
No.

2130
02:45:00,590 --> 02:45:10,370
I don't care. I mean, it's just it's not in our back or to safety is not in our back. It is on the agenda, but there's no motion for anybody to read. There's nothing here.

2131
02:45:10,470 --> 02:45:13,450
Can you print something out for us if we do the charter stuff now?

2132
02:45:18,330 --> 02:45:22,850
The charter is in here. The third reading of the ordinance 18.

2133
02:45:22,850 --> 02:45:25,170
It's not that we read it from last week.

2134
02:45:25,390 --> 02:45:26,530
All right, so you've got to go one of the trust.

2135
02:45:26,530 --> 02:45:28,510
So we don't have a motion right here

2136
02:45:28,510 --> 02:45:29,370
that we can even read.

2137
02:45:29,370 --> 02:45:30,110
So we're one of the trust.

2138
02:45:31,270 --> 02:45:33,130
I can put the motion on the screen.

2139
02:45:33,570 --> 02:45:35,690
OK, well, let's do the charter amendment while we're

2140
02:45:35,690 --> 02:45:35,830
here.

2141
02:45:35,950 --> 02:45:36,830
We'll go back to this.

2142
02:45:37,310 --> 02:45:39,070
OK, OK, not read the screen.

2143
02:45:39,330 --> 02:45:41,230
Do we want to have a solution to that?

2144
02:45:41,470 --> 02:45:43,630
Do we want to talk about the charter?

2145
02:45:44,310 --> 02:45:46,070
Do we, yes, please, please, please.

2146
02:45:46,230 --> 02:45:46,530
Yes.

2147
02:45:47,530 --> 02:45:50,530
So two weeks, three weeks ago, on November 16th,

2148
02:45:50,530 --> 02:45:53,630
The Council held a public hearing relative to the charter amendment.

2149
02:45:54,170 --> 02:46:00,810
At that time, it was unanimously decided that the Council adopted a resolution identifying

2150
02:46:00,810 --> 02:46:06,930
that proposed amendments to the charter were necessary and appropriate and forward and basically

2151
02:46:06,930 --> 02:46:08,190
initiating the process.

2152
02:46:08,330 --> 02:46:14,930
The next step in the process was to notify the state agencies, including the Secretary of State

2153
02:46:14,930 --> 02:46:18,990
Attorney General's Office and the Commissioner of the Department of Revenue Administration

2154
02:46:18,990 --> 02:46:28,570
of the proposed amendment. That starts at 45 day clock for them to review those proposed amendments to make sure they comply with state law.

2155
02:46:31,680 --> 02:46:43,610
We didn't know necessarily when the state agencies would reply, but within seven days once we get their response of approving the proposed amendments,

2156
02:46:43,610 --> 02:46:50,150
the council can take action to formally place the amendments on the ballot.

2157
02:46:50,950 --> 02:47:01,370
So we got the state approvals, a single letter from the Attorney General's Office on behalf of all three state agencies on Monday of this week.

2158
02:47:02,190 --> 02:47:10,330
So again, I statute you would have to take action to put this on the March ballot on or before next Monday.

2159
02:47:10,330 --> 02:47:16,330
And so, in an effort to avoid having to schedule yet another meeting this week or Monday

2160
02:47:16,330 --> 02:47:23,090
of next week, just to take up this issue, we propose to put this on tonight's agenda using

2161
02:47:23,090 --> 02:47:30,990
the Council's rules in 1991-70, which allows anything of urgent, of an urgent nature

2162
02:47:30,990 --> 02:47:34,890
or that needs immediate attention to put that on your agenda.

2163
02:47:34,890 --> 02:47:41,230
So, I've confirmed with the City, the City's legal counsel that this does not require

2164
02:47:41,230 --> 02:47:43,070
further public hearing.

2165
02:47:44,510 --> 02:47:49,050
The only public hearing that's necessary in this process happened on November 16th.

2166
02:47:49,050 --> 02:47:54,470
This is just a next step in the process and putting it onto the ballot will give every voter

2167
02:47:54,470 --> 02:47:57,190
in the city the opportunity to weigh in at that time.

2168
02:47:57,570 --> 02:48:04,250
So, all you're doing tonight, well, let me back up, when the state agencies provided their

2169
02:48:04,250 --> 02:48:09,050
statement that they were not opposed to the amendment, they offered three further changes

2170
02:48:09,930 --> 02:48:15,730
to some of the language that was being proposed to avoid potential ambiguity with plural

2171
02:48:15,730 --> 02:48:16,590
versus singular.

2172
02:48:17,430 --> 02:48:23,290
And so in the packet that was sent out today that the red line includes those proposed,

2173
02:48:23,830 --> 02:48:30,230
those further changes, they're fairly simple to change they to whatever the term is, the

2174
02:48:30,230 --> 02:48:32,110
member or what have you.

2175
02:48:32,730 --> 02:48:40,390
So there's a motion that was provided in packet, which would incorporate those additional

2176
02:48:40,390 --> 02:48:46,890
changes, suggested by the state agencies if you wish, and then a motion to formally

2177
02:48:46,890 --> 02:48:50,670
order that the proposed amendments be placed on the ballot from March.

2178
02:48:50,670 --> 02:49:00,170
So, we have a post motion on page 40, two of our packet.

2179
02:49:01,690 --> 02:49:06,830
Does anyone have any questions of David with regard to what he's just described or would

2180
02:49:06,830 --> 02:49:08,790
somebody be interested in making a motion?

2181
02:49:10,070 --> 02:49:10,530
Yes, sir.

2182
02:49:11,590 --> 02:49:16,870
I will move that the Lebanon City Council hereby accepts the non-substantive changes suggested

2183
02:49:16,870 --> 02:49:21,970
by the Attorney General's Office to avoid potential ambiguity with the insertion of gender

2184
02:49:21,970 --> 02:49:23,650
neutral terms as follows.

2185
02:49:24,190 --> 02:49:26,110
In section three administration,

2186
02:49:26,630 --> 02:49:28,030
subsection C419,

2187
02:49:28,190 --> 02:49:30,390
colon 16, the proposed insertion,

2188
02:49:30,690 --> 02:49:33,350
they were to be changed to the member was.

2189
02:49:33,650 --> 02:49:35,050
In section three administration,

2190
02:49:35,210 --> 02:49:37,430
subsection C419, colon 33,

2191
02:49:38,210 --> 02:49:40,530
the proposed insertion, their own,

2192
02:49:40,690 --> 02:49:43,290
to be changed to the officer's own.

2193
02:49:43,590 --> 02:49:45,010
In section three administration,

2194
02:49:45,270 --> 02:49:47,930
subsection C419, colon 45,

2195
02:49:48,570 --> 02:49:51,510
the proposed insertion of two instances of there,

2196
02:49:51,510 --> 02:49:54,450
to be changed to two, the heads.

2197
02:49:54,890 --> 02:49:57,310
Be it further moved that the Lebanon City Council

2198
02:49:57,310 --> 02:50:01,310
pursuant to its authority granted by RSA 49-B,

2199
02:50:01,450 --> 02:50:05,190
colon 5, 1, parentheses B.

2200
02:50:05,410 --> 02:50:08,490
Hereby orders the city clerk to place the final draft

2201
02:50:08,490 --> 02:50:10,270
of the proposed charter amendment,

2202
02:50:10,450 --> 02:50:12,370
including the changes outlined above

2203
02:50:12,370 --> 02:50:14,490
on the ballot at the next municipal election

2204
02:50:14,490 --> 02:50:17,090
to be held on March 14, 2023.

2205
02:50:17,090 --> 02:50:36,530
We're soon to RSA 49-B colon 6, Roman numeral 4 parentheses B, the amendment to the city charter will become effective July 1, 2023 if a majority of the ballots cast at the March 14, 2023 municipal election favor acceptance.

2206
02:50:36,530 --> 02:50:38,010
Thank you, Councilor Hill.

2207
02:50:38,370 --> 02:50:39,590
Councilor Hill seconds.

2208
02:50:40,230 --> 02:50:40,990
May for the discussion.

2209
02:50:41,690 --> 02:50:42,110
Yes.

2210
02:50:43,230 --> 02:50:48,710
There appears to be a typo on page 54.

2211
02:50:50,030 --> 02:50:53,350
Section 419-27 qualifications.

2212
02:50:54,350 --> 02:50:55,530
The fourth line down.

2213
02:50:56,410 --> 02:51:00,890
Or where the Senate's begins during the city manager's tenure of office.

2214
02:51:00,890 --> 02:51:08,690
He, the city manager, he I think was supposed to be struck out and replaced with the city manager and it doesn't show a strikeout in

2215
02:51:08,690 --> 02:51:16,130
The version and our packet, so I just like the motion passed with the understanding that he be struck out there and that's

2216
02:51:17,310 --> 02:51:20,330
Either an amendment or just a technical type of correction

2217
02:51:25,610 --> 02:51:28,930
What's section because I see one that is struck?

2218
02:51:30,400 --> 02:51:39,080
Oh, I should say in the page 54, it's the section on qualifications and it's the last

2219
02:51:39,080 --> 02:51:42,200
red edit in that paragraph.

2220
02:51:44,500 --> 02:51:45,140
Okay.

2221
02:51:45,140 --> 02:51:45,500
You see that?

2222
02:51:46,640 --> 02:51:48,380
All the other keys are struck out.

2223
02:51:48,900 --> 02:51:49,040
Yeah.

2224
02:51:49,040 --> 02:51:51,080
I was looking like two lines above that.

2225
02:51:51,080 --> 02:51:51,980
It looks like an instruction.

2226
02:51:52,880 --> 02:51:53,080
I was looking.

2227
02:51:54,260 --> 02:51:55,440
I'm looking.

2228
02:51:56,320 --> 02:51:57,100
All those in favor?

2229
02:51:59,680 --> 02:52:05,480
unanimous, that brings us back to the public hearing on ordinance 18 or how do you want to proceed with this?

2230
02:52:06,740 --> 02:52:14,500
Well, I was going to, I thought I had some good news and the good news was that you'd have to read the whole motion that you could actually approve it as printed in that packet.

2231
02:52:16,060 --> 02:52:17,440
I'll read it. I'll read it. I'll read it.

2232
02:52:17,500 --> 02:52:17,660
I'll read it. I'll read it.

2233
02:52:17,660 --> 02:52:18,840
Well, I'll give it to you to read it.

2234
02:52:18,840 --> 02:52:19,440
I'll hand you this.

2235
02:52:19,440 --> 02:52:19,760
Okay.

2236
02:52:20,220 --> 02:52:21,280
I can't do it.

2237
02:52:21,580 --> 02:52:22,540
Yes, I have it.

2238
02:52:22,920 --> 02:52:27,060
So do you, this is the third reading of this. Do you want to give a brief, I do?

2239
02:52:27,360 --> 02:52:41,180
So, the purpose of this for those who are not aware of the city has a wage classification system that is approved by the council manual basis and there's a number of things that I would go through those things, and so this is part of our process as part of our city charter.

2240
02:52:42,240 --> 02:52:45,490
It's not the same and every community that you need, but that's how it operates here.

2241
02:52:46,840 --> 02:52:48,300
So, a couple of things with this.

2242
02:52:48,300 --> 02:52:53,420
One, the collective bargaining room, which we have before unions, that we have, had a range of

2243
02:52:53,420 --> 02:52:57,260
one, two, three percent GWY, which is the same thing as the cola cost of living increase that

2244
02:52:57,260 --> 02:52:58,640
most people are from Mayway.

2245
02:52:59,300 --> 02:53:02,240
And that's based on what the actual cost of living is.

2246
02:53:02,280 --> 02:53:05,840
But at maximum of three, the cost of living is actually 7.9.

2247
02:53:06,340 --> 02:53:07,900
But so that maxes out at three.

2248
02:53:08,020 --> 02:53:09,820
So we have to actually set that on an annual basis.

2249
02:53:09,940 --> 02:53:11,500
And that's what the council was doing here.

2250
02:53:12,020 --> 02:53:12,880
And that will take effect.

2251
02:53:12,880 --> 02:53:19,020
January 1 for all, not a well, all about one, not affiliated employees and all the

2252
02:53:19,020 --> 02:53:22,100
collector bargaining units in the city, all the employees are fit in those categories.

2253
02:53:23,660 --> 02:53:29,940
And then the other part to that is that in 2023 or 3 year collector, all the collector

2254
02:53:29,940 --> 02:53:32,380
bargaining is a 3 year contract, they're all in the same schedule.

2255
02:53:33,420 --> 02:53:37,940
There was scheduled to meet no stepping crease or merit increase for the deposit employees

2256
02:53:37,940 --> 02:53:44,260
in 2023, and that was because the unions agreed to a concession that we were going to have a debt

2257
02:53:44,260 --> 02:53:48,400
service by 2023 due to the Fire Station Project, which did not occur.

2258
02:53:48,940 --> 02:53:53,020
So they acted in good faith, it's appropriate for us to act in good faith as well and put

2259
02:53:53,020 --> 02:53:54,180
that back in there.

2260
02:53:54,380 --> 02:53:58,160
And that's what I have recommended to do it, of course, not surprisingly, you need to agree

2261
02:53:58,160 --> 02:53:59,120
to that.

2262
02:53:59,120 --> 02:54:00,240
I'll look to allow that to occur.

2263
02:54:02,120 --> 02:54:07,260
So even that, as I told you before, some of those people won't get raises until the end

2264
02:54:07,260 --> 02:54:13,540
of the year, and that's 7.9% impact that's already occurred in July of 2022, so they're

2265
02:54:13,540 --> 02:54:18,220
already behind, and we are behind what other communities are giving, just so you're aware

2266
02:54:18,220 --> 02:54:23,460
of that. So that's one piece of this. The other part of that is we, normally every year

2267
02:54:23,460 --> 02:54:28,200
to five years cycle, we do a wage classification study for each group, we have the foreclad

2268
02:54:28,200 --> 02:54:33,940
to bargain, it's in the non-affiliated employees. This year we, I felt the need to do something

2269
02:54:33,940 --> 02:54:39,980
different because of the inflation and the wage market. So I did three different groups asked me

2270
02:54:39,980 --> 02:54:44,400
LaPaz and I did not affiliate. It's not affiliates. We only were scheduled for this year but I did

2271
02:54:44,400 --> 02:54:50,540
those other two to make sure that those groups reached the 60th percentile. And that is what we

2272
02:54:51,080 --> 02:55:03,920
are trying to achieve by doing this. So all of our collective bargaining units are at, we'll be at the

2273
02:55:03,920 --> 02:55:09,040
the rest. But again, even that is based on numbers that will prior to the hyperinflation

2274
02:55:09,040 --> 02:55:14,580
that we have. So even with this, we will not be at the 60th percent where still continuing

2275
02:55:14,580 --> 02:55:19,680
to fall behind there. So there's that. There's a couple of reclassifications of different

2276
02:55:19,680 --> 02:55:33,900
job descriptions. And then you have those. You can take a look at those. And some of the

2277
02:55:33,900 --> 02:55:38,580
count in court three is in there and well the truck driver was already in there anyway

2278
02:55:38,580 --> 02:55:44,440
because we already had that job description. So those are the key parts of that and that

2279
02:55:44,440 --> 02:55:48,320
in essence is what you would be approving tonight with the ordinance 18. So you're approving

2280
02:55:48,320 --> 02:55:52,160
not the money amount that's already been done. It's the wage classification components that

2281
02:55:52,160 --> 02:55:58,860
allow that to occur. It's similar to the trailer build the state budget, the implementation

2282
02:55:58,860 --> 02:56:04,040
two pieces of that. So that's what this is here. Thank you. Okay, we'll open the

2283
02:56:04,040 --> 02:56:07,900
public here. I don't know. This is any members of the public in the audience

2284
02:56:07,900 --> 02:56:11,220
that have any questions or comments on this. Again, it's the third reading.

2285
02:56:13,220 --> 02:56:16,660
Seeing none, I'll move to the virtual audiences or anyone in the virtual audience who has

2286
02:56:16,660 --> 02:56:20,380
any questions or comments on these amendments to ordinance 18.

2287
02:56:24,360 --> 02:56:25,960
So hearing none, I will

2288
02:56:25,960 --> 02:56:28,260
Those are public hearing.

2289
02:56:28,900 --> 02:56:32,020
Council, any questions or comments on this before motion is made?

2290
02:56:32,140 --> 02:56:37,000
Not on this, but do we need a motion to extend our meeting, given where it two hours and five,

2291
02:56:37,360 --> 02:56:39,080
five, six, six, six, six, six.

2292
02:56:39,400 --> 02:56:39,820
All right.

2293
02:56:39,980 --> 02:56:40,460
I don't think so.

2294
02:56:40,660 --> 02:56:40,760
It's okay.

2295
02:56:40,760 --> 02:56:41,400
It's okay.

2296
02:56:42,180 --> 02:56:42,300
It's okay.

2297
02:56:43,040 --> 02:56:43,860
It's okay.

2298
02:56:46,320 --> 02:56:47,560
I've got the motion.

2299
02:56:47,880 --> 02:56:48,460
You have the motion.

2300
02:56:48,500 --> 02:56:49,160
I am ready.

2301
02:56:49,240 --> 02:56:49,700
Very good.

2302
02:56:49,700 --> 02:56:57,620
I will move that the Lebanon City Council acknowledges the third of three presentations to amend ordinance number 18 salary plans as follows.

2303
02:56:58,180 --> 02:57:09,600
One, Article two, non-affiliated and LaPaz employees to A, implement the three percent general wage increase for 2023 B, increase the wage and stipend pay scales for seasonal temporary and stipend employees C,

2304
02:57:09,600 --> 02:57:11,760
reclassed by the following non-affiliated positions.

2305
02:57:12,680 --> 02:57:16,560
One, systems librarian and information technology librarian from grade 9 to grade 11.

2306
02:57:17,120 --> 02:57:19,900
Two, deputy library director from grade 11 to grade 12.

2307
02:57:20,220 --> 02:57:24,660
Three, chief innovation officer and deputy finance director from grade 12 to grade 13.

2308
02:57:25,040 --> 02:57:28,460
Four, airport manager, assistant fire chief, and human resources director

2309
02:57:28,460 --> 02:57:33,280
from grade 13 to grade 14. Five, deputy police chief from grade 14 to grade 15.

2310
02:57:33,660 --> 02:57:36,000
D, reclassed by the following lapos positions.

2311
02:57:36,000 --> 02:58:05,960
One, assistant city engineer from grade 9 to grade 10, two, cemetery sex, and fleet maintenance, supervisor, maintenance, superintendant, and utilities maintenance, superintendant from grade 10 to grade 11, three administrative services manager from grade 11 to grade 12, e, retitled the following positions, one, two benefits coordinator, payroll specialist positions to be separated into a benefits coordinator position, human resources and a payroll specialist position finance, two, director of planning and zoning, retitled his planning and development director.

2312
02:58:06,000 --> 02:58:07,720
three director of public works,

2313
02:58:08,020 --> 02:58:09,600
retitled as public works director.

2314
02:58:10,600 --> 02:58:12,480
F, reclassify and retitled the following position.

2315
02:58:13,100 --> 02:58:14,140
One, recreation director,

2316
02:58:14,280 --> 02:58:16,540
retitled as recreation arts and parks director,

2317
02:58:17,020 --> 02:58:19,200
and reclassified from grade 13 to grade 14.

2318
02:58:19,640 --> 02:58:21,580
G, add the following non-affiliated positions.

2319
02:58:22,020 --> 02:58:24,300
One, accounting clerk, three, finance department,

2320
02:58:24,500 --> 02:58:25,300
added as grade eight.

2321
02:58:25,600 --> 02:58:28,120
Two, combined deputy city clerk, deputy tax collector,

2322
02:58:28,380 --> 02:58:30,180
city clerk, added as grade eight.

2323
02:58:30,400 --> 02:58:32,420
Three public relations, coordinator, city manager,

2324
02:58:32,660 --> 02:58:33,800
added as grade nine.

2325
02:58:33,800 --> 02:58:37,200
for Deputy Human Resources Director, Human Resources Department,

2326
02:58:37,720 --> 02:58:40,920
added his great 13-5 Deputy Planning and Development Director,

2327
02:58:41,360 --> 02:58:45,660
Planning and Development Department added its great 13-6 Human Resources Specialist,

2328
02:58:45,780 --> 02:58:48,980
Human Resources Department added as great 14-H,

2329
02:58:49,440 --> 02:58:51,600
add the following seasonal temporary and stipend positions,

2330
02:58:52,020 --> 02:58:55,840
one tree warden, Recreation Arts and Parks Department added as a stipend position,

2331
02:58:56,960 --> 02:59:00,460
two lead recording secretaries that he clerk added as an hourly position,

2332
02:59:01,020 --> 02:59:07,800
2. Article 3, bargaining unit employees section A, asking local number 1348, Council 93 AFL CIO,

2333
02:59:08,140 --> 02:59:13,280
to A, implement a 3% general wage increase for 2023, and B, replaced by the following positions.

2334
02:59:13,580 --> 02:59:18,540
One, Parks and Grounds crew, Forman, from grade 7 to grade 8, 2, electrician from grade 8 to grade 9.

2335
02:59:18,920 --> 02:59:26,000
3, Article 3, bargaining unit employees section B, leavened impermanent firefighters association, local 3197 International Association of Firefighters,

2336
02:59:26,000 --> 02:59:31,660
IFF to implement a 3% general wage increase for 2023-4, Article 3, bargaining unit employees,

2337
02:59:31,840 --> 02:59:35,740
section C, 11 employees, benevolent association, LPBA, New England police, benevolent

2338
02:59:35,740 --> 02:59:43,720
association, NEPBA, to implement a 3% general wage increase for 2023-2. Resolution, I have

2339
02:59:43,720 --> 02:59:48,660
to do it all again. Sorry, everyone. For the purpose of mending ordinance number 18 salary plan,

2340
02:59:48,760 --> 02:59:52,680
now therefore be it resolved that the 11th city council amendments ordinance number 18 salary plan

2341
02:59:52,680 --> 02:59:58,220
follows. One, Article 2 non-affiliated in La Paz and Poise to A, implemented 3% general

2342
02:59:58,220 --> 02:59:59,880
wage increase for 2023, B.

2343
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:03,940
Increase the wage and stipend pay scales for seasonal temporary and stipend employees. See,

2344
03:00:04,180 --> 03:00:07,800
reclassed by the following non-affiliated positions, one, systems librarian, and information

2345
03:00:07,800 --> 03:00:12,600
technology librarian from grade 9 to grade 11. Two, deputy library director from grade 11 to grade 12,

2346
03:00:12,740 --> 03:00:17,780
three chief innovation officer and deputy finance director from grade 12 to grade 13, four, airport

2347
03:00:17,780 --> 03:00:22,260
manager and system fire chief and human resources director from grade 13 to grade 14, five,

2348
03:00:22,340 --> 03:00:26,960
deputy police chief from grade 14 to grade 15. D, reclassed by the following lapos positions,

2349
03:00:26,960 --> 03:00:29,980
One assistant city engineer from grade 9 to grade 10,

2350
03:00:30,360 --> 03:00:34,580
two, cemetery sex and fleet maintenance supervisor maintenance superintendent and utilities maintenance superintendent.

2351
03:00:35,180 --> 03:00:39,500
From grade 10 to grade 11, three administrative services manager from grade 11 to grade 12,

2352
03:00:39,920 --> 03:00:41,180
e. Retail the following positions.

2353
03:00:42,060 --> 03:00:47,660
One, two benefits coordinator payroll specialist positions to be separated into a benefits coordinator position, human resources,

2354
03:00:47,900 --> 03:00:49,960
and a payroll specialist position finance.

2355
03:00:50,400 --> 03:00:53,480
Two director of planning and zoning retitled his planning and development director,

2356
03:00:53,480 --> 03:00:58,960
3 Director of Public Works, Retinal is Public Works Director, F. Reclassifying Retinal the following position.

2357
03:00:59,440 --> 03:01:05,160
One, Recreation Director, Retinal as Recreation Arts and Parks Director, and Reclassified from grade 13 to grade 14.

2358
03:01:05,780 --> 03:01:09,800
G. Add the following non-affiliated positions. One, Accounting Clerk 3, Finance Department,

2359
03:01:09,940 --> 03:01:14,080
Adders, Create 8. Two, a Command Deputy City Clerk, WD Tax Collector City Clerk,

2360
03:01:14,300 --> 03:01:18,180
Addages, Create 8. Public Relations Coordinator, City Manager, Addages, Create 9.

2361
03:01:18,600 --> 03:01:22,260
Four, Deputy Human Resources Director, Human Resources Department, Addages, Create 13.

2362
03:01:22,260 --> 03:01:26,980
5. Deputy Planning and Development Director Planning and Development Department added its grade 13.

2363
03:01:27,580 --> 03:01:31,200
6. Human Resources Specialist Human Resources Department added its grade 14.

2364
03:01:31,700 --> 03:01:38,920
H. Add the following seasonal temporary and stipend positions, one tree warden, recreation arts and parks department added as a stipend position to

2365
03:01:38,920 --> 03:01:44,860
leave recording secretary city clerk added as an hourly position, two. Article 3, bargaining unit employees section A,

2366
03:01:44,860 --> 03:01:50,800
have some local number 1348 Council 93 AFLCIO to A, implement a 3% general wage increase

2367
03:01:50,800 --> 03:01:55,240
for 2023 and B, reclassed by the following positions, one, parks and grounds, grew

2368
03:01:55,240 --> 03:01:59,880
form in from grade 7 to grade 8 to electrician from grade 8 to grade 9, 3 Article 3

2369
03:01:59,880 --> 03:02:03,520
bargaining unit employees section B, Levin, and permanent firefighters association, local

2370
03:02:04,000 --> 03:02:08,820
3197 International Association of Firefighters, IAFF to implement a 3% general wage increase

2371
03:02:08,820 --> 03:02:13,500
for 2023, 4 Article 3, bargaining unit employees section C, Levin and Police Benevolent

2372
03:02:13,500 --> 03:02:19,520
Association LPPBA, LPPBA, New England Police Benepline Association, NAPBA,

2373
03:02:19,740 --> 03:02:28,380
to implement a 3% general wage increase for 2023, as indicated in the charts as indicated

2374
03:02:28,380 --> 03:02:29,820
on the charts

2375
03:02:32,830 --> 03:02:38,150
as indicated on charts on file, because city manager's office.

2376
03:02:38,270 --> 03:02:44,910
Yeah, they're on the website. This whole packet is attached to the web, the web, the agenda

2377
03:02:44,910 --> 03:02:46,110
within the website

2378
03:02:48,700 --> 03:02:57,220
as demonstrated on file with the city manager's office dated December 14th

2379
03:03:00,720 --> 03:03:04,820
At any set of land speed record, do we have a second to that motion, council whittles these

2380
03:03:04,820 --> 03:03:05,120
seconds.

2381
03:03:05,360 --> 03:03:11,490
So is there any discussion about all those in favor and it is unanimous.

2382
03:03:11,510 --> 03:03:12,830
Thank you very much.

2383
03:03:14,190 --> 03:03:14,430
Okay.

2384
03:03:14,430 --> 03:03:31,390
Okay, well that brings us to the end of the seedlings meeting, it's like the wish all you are very happy holiday, we will reconvene and just a few weeks here, probably fewer than we'd like, but we'll be back in very soon.

2385
03:03:32,210 --> 03:03:35,490
So having said that, I will see if anyone has a vote.

2386
03:03:36,010 --> 03:03:37,710
I can't make a motion, but I got one thing to say if I could.

2387
03:03:38,150 --> 03:03:38,230
Yes.

2388
03:03:38,230 --> 03:03:43,990
So I just want to thank you for a year's of dedicated service, another year of dedicated service that you would provide.

2389
03:03:44,570 --> 03:03:48,210
I'd just like to remind people that you do this without any compensation whatsoever.

2390
03:03:48,790 --> 03:03:52,330
And every other town in City, I know they received some sort of stipend you get zero.

2391
03:03:52,730 --> 03:03:54,770
Other than the chocolates I give you, and that's what I think.

2392
03:03:55,250 --> 03:03:56,250
The slice of pizza now.

2393
03:03:56,330 --> 03:03:57,390
And they will last year's chocolate.

2394
03:03:57,550 --> 03:03:59,490
I noticed that there's a grinches on these.

2395
03:03:59,830 --> 03:04:02,650
There are a lot of things like that because I didn't know how you're going to vote on things.

2396
03:04:04,630 --> 03:04:09,710
So I want to seriously thank you for the work that you do because you are all volunteers

2397
03:04:09,710 --> 03:04:13,430
and you're on, you're not just on the Council but you're on other committees and there's

2398
03:04:13,430 --> 03:04:17,610
a lot of work that goes along with that and it has been a long year and you have continued

2399
03:04:17,610 --> 03:04:19,550
to serve the people to the city very well.

2400
03:04:19,750 --> 03:04:24,550
That's what I extend our thanks on behalf of myself and my staff being able to work with you

2401
03:04:24,550 --> 03:04:24,850
folks.

2402
03:04:24,850 --> 03:04:26,030
Thank you very much.

2403
03:04:29,040 --> 03:04:34,280
You all all the good night, but something like to make a motion so adjourned.

2404
03:04:34,380 --> 03:04:36,000
Council, what does he make some motion adjourned?

2405
03:04:36,120 --> 03:04:37,020
Do I have a second?

2406
03:04:37,320 --> 03:04:38,280
Second ed.

2407
03:04:38,700 --> 03:04:39,680
Council, what piece of seconds?

2408
03:04:39,920 --> 03:04:41,020
It's not subject to discussion.

2409
03:04:41,500 --> 03:04:42,720
All those in favour of that.

2410
03:04:43,060 --> 03:04:44,100
And it is unanimous.

2411
03:04:44,280 --> 03:04:45,420
We are adjourned for the year.

2412
03:04:45,640 --> 03:04:46,880
We are adjourned for the year.

2413
03:04:48,240 --> 03:04:50,000
We are adjourned for the year.