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Just before we get started, we have a new recording secretary who will be participating. Holly will be helping us out tonight. So she does not recognize your voices. And the camera is not going to be on you. It's going to be on. That's what the shiny heads here. Three of us. So.

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So anyway, if you ask a question, if you would just state who you are, because again, she will not be able to

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understand who you are so that would be helpful to us if you could do that as counselors and I know it'll be difficult to remember and also please make sure you have your mic on and then close to your mouth so that they can be heard by folks who are that would be helpful to us if you could do that.

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Okay. Good evening and welcome to the September 27th special meeting with other city council. Our topic, topic this evening is to discuss the status of plans for a place for the station one, including a financial analysis, and this is for information only so no public hearings tonight.

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They manage them all home, it's like to give you your spill because we have an online

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audience as well.

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Yeah, that's me and it's being connected to the Coins of the Regions of RSA and Adding

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One A and it's being conducted here in the City Council Chambers.

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It's also being live streamed to the City's website.

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There's a virtual component through Microsoft Teams on the City's website and there's a phone

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component you can participate in one of those three means if you wish to do so.

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That information is located on the live meetings page for our website.

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You're having difficulty accessing me.

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You can email me and I'll try to assist you as best I can to get in.

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to the meeting. If there is a problem in the virtual component of the meeting, the meeting

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will still continue if the owner acquired by state statute is to have an in-person here.

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If I don't know if you're going to take public comments, you're choosing to do that. But

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if there is a point when the mayor allows for public comment, if you're in the council chambers,

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you'll need to go to this microphone over here to be able to do that. If you are remote,

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you don't have to worry about trying to find the raised hand function. All you need to do

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is unmute yourself, state your name, the jurisdiction in which you live. If you live in the city,

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the warden which you with within our city. And then the mayor will recognize you with that time and allow you to speak.

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And then if you all set, sir.

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Thanks for for our new recording secretary. We have one, two, three, four, five, six of our nine counselors.

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With us this evening, Councillor Woodlesy, Councillor Simon, system Mayor Below, Councillor Heisted and Councillor Wilkie.

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We do anticipate Councillor Hill arriving in about half an hour.

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So, we will probably end up with seven, perhaps eight of our nine members.

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Take it away.

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All right, so as you know, this is what we've decided to do since the last two years now,

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is the bigger projects and sort of squeeze all those in and one night.

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We would spread that out a little bit because the council is more time.

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And there's also in terms of space and time, as you know, normally we have this discussion

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on October 18th and starts to limit the time for which you can ask questions and we can

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it back to you with information that you may need to help you make a decision on December

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December 13th is the public carrying the budget and we take public comment on not just

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the capital improvement items but the entire budget and then hopefully the council make

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a decision on the budget which takes effect on January 1st of 2024.

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This project we're talking about tonight of course is the Central Fire Station project.

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but October 4th is a regular council meeting,

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but we're gonna be talking about the childcare center,

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we're looking to construct up in the western part of the city.

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That's another very large project.

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So we're taking that out of the normal flow of CIP projects.

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So that way it's more manageable on the 18th

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when we talk about the remaining cap on improvement items.

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You'll get that on the 18th.

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Tonight is to allow you to learn what's being proposed for the fire station project and be able to ask some questions that might be helpful to you to help you make your decision.

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Obviously a very big decision in the city and a very costly decision that would need to be made to address the various problems that we have.

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So let me further ado, I've got the chief and the assistant chief here will help and we also have remote.

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with any questions and regards to the conceptual design.

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Remember, we don't have a final design.

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We won't have that until a project gets approved on the 13th.

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I should say when the project gets approved on the 13th.

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Ryakko Yufame with at the very room that you're in.

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They helped to reconstruct and did a rather fantastic job

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So I'll turn it over to Shifi as a PowerPoint.

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And I encourage you, anywhere along the lines,

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Just feel free to ask questions that the mayor of course would allow that to occur

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And now just to make sure you're you're following along with it because there's a lot to this

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he's doing that Holly for the record councillors psychs has just arrived if you'd include him on the attendance roster

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Councillor Sykes, we're just doing some technical issues here.

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I announced that we have a new recording secretary, so she's not familiar with your voices.

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First of all, thank you all for being here tonight. I know that, especially this time here, you guys have got a lot going on.

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And this is just an extra meeting on an added on top of it. So we really appreciate it. We're excited to share the progress

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So this is Chief Wheatley for Pauling.

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I'm on the far chief, Jim Wheatley.

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I'm pretty impressed with the slide now.

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when we did the Public Safety Study,

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which we'll talk about in the city,

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and really what we're trying to accomplish here

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is to design a new modern fire station

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that meets not only the needs of our community,

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And Bert Delabru, which I completely slaughtered that pronunciation.

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I'm sorry, Bert, but he's online from React with us as well.

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So a little bit of history about the building for those of you who don't know, was constructed in 1954.

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these currently, we employ five female employees,

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two of them are in the firefighter EMT position,

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two of them are community nurses

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and one administrative assistant.

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It goes without saying that it's a very poor energy,

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efficient building, the energy efficiency is terrible.

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during this period.

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for our building or for our profession now is

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we aren't just a fire department anymore.

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we respond to all hazards and the emissions have required the cooling systems to be much larger

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in the trucks as well. So larger motors, larger cooling systems. So the trucks have just overall

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become bigger and the door size is becoming a significant issue for us and it does require us

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to order special apparatus that will fit into the base. When it was constructed it was constructed for

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a volunteer fire department that responded less than 100 calls annually and we still actually have

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the call log from the year the fire department was was formed or built I should say and it was

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constructed without all the knowledge we know now about occupational health and safety and a

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separation of working and living areas from the apparatus floor and separation of the contamination

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areas things that are very important but are causing significant health hazards to our responders today

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so right now that it's poor airflow and ventilation there's no HVAC system we rely on window air

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conditioning units. All of the individual spaces we fight over thermostats because the zones are

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only broke up a certain way. The assistant chief likes his office nice and warm. I like mine cool.

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We fight over the thermostat to heat the big room. All of the living areas are like that. The apparatus

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floor where all the employees spend a large portion of their time doing reports is not it's warmed by

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motine heaters that are hung in the ceiling and it's cooled by humid air in the summertime

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or a fan that we put out front. There's no air conditioning in there to keep the responders

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cool when they need to be. We've had the roof repaired many, many times over the years

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and you've seen and I'll show you again some pictures of the damage that we're starting

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to see not only in the ceiling tiles but in the structural members of the roof as well

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in the steel trusses are beginning to rust in the building because of all the water exposure

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that they've gotten over the years.

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and give us a quote in the last couple of weeks, actually,

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because of all the rain we got this summer on repairing it.

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And they told us it's no longer a repair option.

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The entire roof needs to be replaced.

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I'm waiting for a quote to come back on that

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to see what that would actually come in at.

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The Plime Events System, which is the exhaust system

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that we use to hook the trucks to exhaust the diesel fumes

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from the vehicles as much as we can,

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was installed somewhere in the mid-90s.

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station two and station one.

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The one at station two right now, we're waiting on the ventilation motor for it,

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so that system is down right now, and the system at station one,

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we spend quite honestly between $4,000 and $5,000 a year just to maintain that with repairs.

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It's becoming very expensive, and it's a very critical component of our health and safety.

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We had a hazardous assessment done of the building.

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we know that there are asbestos tiles located in offices underneath carpets.

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They're in the main training room.

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They're underneath carpets and bunk rooms, asbestos pipe wraps in the attic space

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and lead paint detected in multiple locations throughout the station as well.

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So just as a recap, many of you were here, but some of you weren't on the council in 2019

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when the public safety facility was conducted. Our study was completed,

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which incorporated the police department and all three of our fire stations.

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station three is for those of you who are wondering is on Dartmouth College Highway right

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near the infield town line. We store some accessory equipment there. We don't have

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any staffing there. Phase one of the study was to kick off the study and develop a program,

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space program, projecting out as far as 2039. So to identify what our needs were in the police

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and fire departments up until 2039 and then taking an assessment of the existing conditions

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and operational assessment of the department and see how we need to fit that in and what

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we could do better or what we need to do if we need to do anything.

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So the operational assessment came back and said that the administrative offices are not

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readily accessible to the public.

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So right now all of our fire prevention officials and the administrative assistant who deal with

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the public day in and day out are located on the second floor, steep stairs, those of you

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have been in the fire station familiar with what I'm talking about. There is no elevator,

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so it's not ADA accessible. There's no working space for plans review or meetings with staff.

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We have three fire inspectors that are framed into one office. Some of you have worked in that

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office before and it's very, very tight in there with just two of you and now three people are in

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there. Plans review much of it is electronic now, but occasionally they need to spread out paper

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plans and look at those as well.

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They are very, very busy division of our department.

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Department, and it's becoming very crowded in there. We, we talked about the ADA compliance already, and we're just not, we're not welcoming to the community or anybody else, any of our employees that may need that. The fire stations are between station one and two, they're between 43 and 65 years old. That was then, they're actually 70, you know, 49 to 70 years old at this point. The apparatus base and living facilities and building systems don't meet ADA or life safety code requirements.

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And there's insufficient areas for EMS equipment, decontamination and storage, which I'll go more into depth further on in the presentation.

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There's no available space for maintenance and repair of apparatus equipment.

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The storage of our apparatus is is a big issue that we have.

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The maintenance is less of an issue than it was when this study's done because we partnered with public works who's doing a phenomenal job maintaining our vehicles.

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So our large apparatus goes down to the public works facility in their maintenance area and we take care of those needs down there.

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We do small minor repairs within the fire station now.

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There's no proper restroom or shower facilities. Again, I'll show you this in detail later.

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But the main shower facility in the building is serves as a female locker room in a multi-gender shower and bathroom.

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room.

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No space or proper area for physical fitness training. Obviously physical fitness

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mental wellness is very important to our profession. We've had to convert one of the

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old bunk rooms into a partial fitness room. And one of our smaller conference rooms has

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been converted into this was some time ago into a fitness room as well. They're poorly ventilated.

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We mop them and keep them clean, but I assure you with the sweat that takes place in those

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room that it's probably not the most sanitary area that we should be using for that purpose and it

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really doesn't provide the space that we need to achieve the physical fitness objectives that we're

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looking to achieve. The maintenance costs or repair costs and facilities due to age are increasing

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that's still still true today as I stated to you about how much we spend on the climate event system

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and much we spend on heating and electricity in the building as well and those are just those are

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large costs. There's smaller things that Nicol and Dymus so to speak every year. There's no

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separated space between the apparatus bay and living quarters which exposes personnel to potential

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exhaust fumes. You're going to hear about this a lot tonight. When we sign up for this profession we

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understand that we take inherent risk all the time. When we go to calls but we didn't sign up to work

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and live in a facility that presents us at more risk and that's what we're experiencing right now.

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Lack of on-site parking for staff vehicles and visitors.

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We've actually remediated some of that.

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We have essentially taken over the back parking lot so that it's not a community parking

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lot anymore.

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And with the new station design, we will have all of that space available for parking at

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the rear of the station as well.

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So the space program currently, the current building is 14,987 square feet.

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as you can see, projected out of 2019, what we would need in 2029-2039.

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The proposed construction, as I present it to you tonight, is 24,531 square feet.

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So there's some NFPA standards that kind of guide us along what we should be looking at

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for objectives and standards through the construction process of this.

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NFPA 1500 is the Fire Department Occupational Safety Health and Wellness Program.

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and that not only talks about mental wellness and physical wellness, that also talks about how we should have separation, the living quarters, our kitchen, our dining room, our office, they should be separated.

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A certain airflow should be controlled within the building as well.

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NFPA 1851 standard on selection care and maintenance of structural firefighting and protective

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ensembles. That clothing is our lifeline. We wear that to protect us when we're in hazardous

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environments. And it needs to be stored at a certain temperature. It needs to be stored

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in a certain light. And it needs to be cleaned when it's contaminated in an area that we don't

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work in and breathe in in a normal day. And that doesn't currently happen. We mingle with

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of this dirty equipment all the time.

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We also decon contaminated EMS equipment in the same space

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as we decontaminate this year,

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and then we store the clean gear in the contaminated area,

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because that's the space that we have available.

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And NFPA 1710, which you've heard me speak of before,

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the standard organization and deployment

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of fire suppression operations,

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this really talks about how quickly we need to be able

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to get out of the building and the building design features

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that allow us to quickly get to our apparatus

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and respond to emergency calls.

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As I said, when we take this job,

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we inherently know we're gonna have risks

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when we leave that building and we accept those risks.

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We'd like to think that we don't have to accept

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those same risks within our own building.

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And the fire and emergency service stations

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are the collection point of contaminated equipment

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for emergency scenes.

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In addition to hazards of direct skin contact

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with a contaminated equipment,

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there's off-gassing and contaminated equipment

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into the station environment.

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Firefighters have a 9% higher risk of being diagnosed

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with cancer than the general population and a 14% higher risk of dying from cancer than

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the general population. We shouldn't have to worry about that risk being affected in our

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working environment inside of our own building. The answer is the leading cause of deaths in

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firefighters. From 2015 to 2020, there were 5,259 firefighters added to the fallen firefighters

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memorial, which means that they were attributed to line of duty deaths from occupational cancer.

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or 300, 3,944 of those were because of occupational cancer.

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So that attributes to 788 deaths a year

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because of occupational cancer in the United States.

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And that number continues to climb every year.

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Are you unsettling?

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Before you move off, can you just draw a picture

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for average people who don't understand this?

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I get this question a lot.

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What's the connection?

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How does this happen?

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So you go to a flyer, right?

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It can you tell me what?

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Yeah.

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Yeah, so another contaminants end up on your clothing and things and how that gets transported

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back to the station.

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So we go to a fire and we have our protected clothing on that UCS where big boots, coats,

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helmets, all of the contaminants is particulate matter and it sticks to that clothing that

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we have and it absorbs in there.

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Well, there's places on our body that that touches our skin and that absorbs through our skin.

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When we go back to the station, we need to have a place to take that gear off before we go

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into our living quarters because if we have that dirty gear on and we go into our office space or we go into where we eat and where we do our other work, all that stuff sticks in that environment as well, we need to be able to take that stuff off and decontaminate not only the gear but ourselves so we don't transport that stuff not only out into that living environment but home with us.

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So there are two things, one, it absorbs through our skin, but also respiratory protection.

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We're much more aggressive in a modern fire service and much better about respiratory

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protection than we used to be.

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One of the things I'm going to show you is the actual area that we fill our SCBA bottles,

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our self-contained breathing apparatus, the air packs that we wear, is right behind the

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apparatus floor.

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So the diesel fumes that come in, sit in the filter for that machine and we actually fill

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our air bottles off that machine.

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So we're breathing that air in as well.

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I don't know if I answered your question.

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Yeah, so just to be clear.

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So when it's a fire, things burn.

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They take you out and they create gases.

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And those particulates end up on your clothes.

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Exactly.

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They end up on our clothes.

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And then anytime they absorb into our skin.

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When we touch those things after.

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And then of course, when you go in with an older station.

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Like we have a disk goes through the whole building.

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It is throughout the entire environment.

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So when the people go to sleep.

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Hello.

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There's blankets and they're breathing that stuff.

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They're breathing it in, especially when there's no.

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We'll talk about it more specifically.

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But when there's no air control environment, there's no air flow throughout the building.

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The particular matter travels everywhere in the building and just settles.

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We touch things, we're absorbing that.

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We think that we've cleaned it, but we're touching things and absorbing them through our skin

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because it's not controlled and it's not being in the building.

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So these are the things that when you're furniture burns,

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all these chemicals that are in your furniture,

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and it rugs and things like that in the house.

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That's the stuff that we're talking about.

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And absolutely, absolutely.

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So studies have shown that firefighters are more likely to get the following types of

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of cancer compared to the general public, I don't have to read through them, but you can see the

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different kinds. I would say that in my time in Lebanon there are two retired captains who have

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died because of cancer. There is one retired captain who had fallen cancer that is since retired

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is still alive. The former fire chief, he wouldn't mind me saying this, had was diagnosed with prostate

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state cancer, and we have an active fire inspector who is on the end stages of fighting

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and beating prostate cancer, and both all of those members spent 20 years of better inside

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of this fire station.

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So, one of the main objectives that we're talking about is what are our space needs, what's

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going on in the city of Lebanon.

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So, this was the call volume that pre and post study, public safety building study.

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So, from 2014 to 2019, you can see the call volume trend.

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And so the red is what I've added that's occurred since the study happened.

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And as you can see, we're on track, I'm pretty confident to hit 4,200 calls for service

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this year.

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So it's a pretty significant growth and I'll talk to you later on in the budget season

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about how much our call growth has grown significantly since 2007 is a benchmark that we use.

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We've actually seen a 57% increase in our call volume.

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So we'll talk about the specifics of what we're trying to fix and show you some pictures.

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And I encourage all of you if you want to come into the fire station any time so we can do a walk around show up anytime

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You're more than welcome if I'm not there my staff will be more than happy to show you around if you want to see this stuff in person

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So apparently this office stays on the left

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That we're looking at is the firefighter office

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And it's about 90 square feet

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And we have three to four usually three firefighters in there that are trying to do reports or any other

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or ancillary ministry of duties that they need to do.

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As you can see, this is directly behind the apparatus floor.

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We do have the Plinal Event System that hooks to the trucks

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for the exhaust system.

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But it's been proven that the Plinal Event's don't

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exclusively take 100% of those diesel fumes away.

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So some of that particular matter comes in there.

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We also have to keep those doors open

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and those windows open because there is no air circulation.

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We need to heat to come in there in the winter

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and we need it to be cool in the summer.

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So we're continuously keeping those doors open

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and so there's no way to really isolate ourselves

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from that space.

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The place on the left is the current captain's office.

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Those are our shift supervisors.

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They do a lot of administrative work in there.

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Same type of thing off the back of the apparatus floor.

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It's right behind there where those diesel exhaust

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cubes are and those tiles that you're looking at

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are 100% as best as tiles.

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We, the joke is we've given up mopping it

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because it's like trying to do something

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with a wet paper bag.

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You just can't fix it anymore.

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So

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in the proposed future design, you can see the firefighter in EMS office is going to go from that 90 to 208 square feet.

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You can see that it's removed from the apparatus floor and the entire building will have an HEAC system and will be able to flow air appropriately through the building and keep contaminants out of these spaces.

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The captain's office will be 233 square feet with the same benefits as the firefighter EMS office.

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This is one of the biggest things that will alleviate the concern and the anxiety we have about sitting there doing required work and not reading in toxic fumes.

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The other piece that I would like to, sorry, my screen is covered here.

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the decontamination area.

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So as I mentioned currently when we come back from a call.

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Right now we take our gear off at the scene and we put it inside of a bag.

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So that we try not to put that stuff in the fire truck the place that we're breathing in and riding all of the time

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We come back from a call we're contaminated and typically we walk through these office spaces that currently exist

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We walk through the gear room that we currently have and we're off-gassing all this material. We're touching things that are supposed to be clean

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The new proposed design would allow us to come back. We would travel down this red hallway that you see that's called the hot zone

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And that is only for contaminated people and equipment to travel down that hot zone.

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We would travel down that hot zone.

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We would enter the hot zone decon laundry.

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That's where our deer extractor, deer washer would be for our protected clothing.

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There would also be a washer and dryer in there for the uniform clothing that we were wearing

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underneath that.

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We would remove that stuff.

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And then we would go into the respective shower room and decon ourself.

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We put on clean uniforms, clean clothing, and then we could exit back into the zones where decontaminated material is not supposed to be.

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This currently is where our personal protective equipment, you hear me refer to PPE. This is where our personal protective equipment is stored.

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On the backside of this room is where the decon gear extractor washer is. This is also where we decon our EMS equipment when we come back from a call where there may be body fluids or.

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or diseases that we bring back.

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This year, one, we're running out of room here.

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They're this protected clothing costs about $5,000 a set.

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And we have a couple sets that are stored on the floor

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because we don't have any storage for them anymore.

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It also, this room, when the gear is clean,

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it's supposed to be kept isolated

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in a pressure-controlled environment

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with a ventilated room from the apparatus floor.

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So those diesel contaminants that are escaping,

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the carcinogens are not coming in and settling on that year so again we put

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that gear on and we think it's clean we're absorbing that stuff through our

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skin.

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In the back here I see the back of a fire truck and that's the open bay, right?

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That's the open bay and that's the back of the ladder truck which sits right

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there.

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You know so the ladder truck

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In what that in perspective is probably about 12 feet, 13 feet from where that room entrances are all that protective clothing is. And these trucks are at these scenes with these particular matters of landing on and now they're in this bay and close the door and open. There's nothing separating. Exactly. There is no separation there at all. Just straight open to the trucks, which is very similar to the offices that I showed you straight open to the trucks. So, you know, the critical components, the people.

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and the protective clothing that we have are directly exposed to cancer-causing materials.

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So this would be the new bunker gear storage room. Again, you can see that this is isolated

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from the hot zone, isolated from the apparatus floor, and the gear would be well protected.

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It would be in the light-controlled environment so that it doesn't break down the protective

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clothing, and we get the full lifespan out of it in a piece of mind that it's being kept clean.

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would you move the laundry from the Decon area would come out through the shower rooms to get to the bunker of your storage or back to the hot zone that's you would come out through the showers.

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This is a high, this door actually doesn't have to, both of those doors don't have to be there. There would be no reason that we would want to enter with contaminated material into those doors.

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So Holly, that was the assistant mayor, Clifton B.

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Sorry, speaking.

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That's okay.

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No.

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And Councillor Hill just arrived.

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Holly.

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Councillor Hill, the camera's on us.

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So Holly is our new recording secretary just for this meeting.

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So if you speak to state your name, if you would, it helps her because she can't see you and

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she doesn't recognize your voices.

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Great.

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Hi Holly.

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I'm the only woman.

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Hello.

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The only Karen at the table right now.

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Yes.

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Thank you.

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The apparatus floor is located directly below the administrative offices, the kitchen, the emergency

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administration center, the training room and also the bunk rooms. So, again, these trucks start

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the hot air from the diesel fumes, rises. It goes up through, we have the poles that come down through

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from the second floor, the fire poles, all of that stuff travels up into the sleeping quarters,

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up into the eating quarters, up into the training quarters. My office is there, the assistant chief's

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office there. The administrative assistance office is there. Public health office is up there.

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So it's not only the people on the floor, it's every employee in the building is exposed to these

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toxic carcinogens that travel throughout the building and sit there that we touch and we absorb.

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Again, the future apparatus floor, as you can see, is the single story section that would be out

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on the front. All of the rest of the living quarters, offices and everything would be on the rear of the

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building. You have complete separation. Complete separation from the apparatus

441
00:33:14,210 --> 00:33:17,970
floor to any of the critical areas that we've talked about thus far. You have

442
00:33:17,970 --> 00:33:21,770
overpressures of how you keep that area. So the apparatus floor would have a

443
00:33:21,770 --> 00:33:26,010
ventilation system and then everything that is in the administrative side back

444
00:33:26,010 --> 00:33:30,130
would have again overpressure a pressurized environment so that we keep the

445
00:33:30,130 --> 00:33:34,410
contaminants from the outside from coming into those areas. We'd also be able to

446
00:33:34,410 --> 00:33:38,550
close doors because we'll have appropriate cooling heating ventilation system

447
00:33:38,550 --> 00:33:41,230
within those office spaces that we don't have now.

448
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:47,070
Current door height is 11 feet. This is the picture

449
00:33:47,070 --> 00:33:55,070
of our current ladder truck that is on a good day probably 10 inches tall. You have to back that

450
00:33:55,070 --> 00:34:01,090
truck in very slowly and drive it out very slowly because if there's any bit of bump on the lip that

451
00:34:01,090 --> 00:34:05,530
goes into the bay, you can see how close it is. I mean, it literally is this much difference between

452
00:34:05,530 --> 00:34:10,410
the top of the ladder in that apparatus floor. When that truck sits in that day,

453
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:14,230
the cooling and heating pipes that are also in the building and the rear of the building with

454
00:34:14,230 --> 00:34:18,130
that sits, there's about this much room between those on the top of that ladder truck.

455
00:34:18,710 --> 00:34:22,830
And this is what I was talking about about apparatus becoming bigger and our building was not built

456
00:34:22,830 --> 00:34:24,210
to accommodate those apparatus.

457
00:34:27,420 --> 00:34:32,720
The new doors would be 14 feet high, which is the standard right now

458
00:34:32,720 --> 00:34:35,420
and would give us even more room to grow

459
00:34:35,420 --> 00:34:37,740
should we experience that in the future.

460
00:34:40,260 --> 00:34:42,540
This is a picture of the long lock

461
00:34:42,540 --> 00:34:44,060
that I take every day up the stairs.

462
00:34:44,340 --> 00:34:45,720
I'm still gonna continue to use the stairs

463
00:34:45,720 --> 00:34:48,860
because I need to, but we aren't ADA compliant.

464
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,080
We're not welcoming, we're not open to anybody

465
00:34:52,080 --> 00:34:53,780
that may wanna use our meeting room

466
00:34:53,780 --> 00:34:55,100
or anybody that needs to come in

467
00:34:55,100 --> 00:34:57,700
for fire prevention meetings or administrative meetings.

468
00:34:58,380 --> 00:35:00,700
We have to hold those meetings in a different location

469
00:35:00,700 --> 00:35:03,000
if we know that there will be ADA challenges

470
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:04,120
that we'll have to deal with.

471
00:35:10,340 --> 00:35:13,520
I don't know if there was a code then, but yes, absolutely.

472
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,660
So this is a picture with the elevator off the public lobby.

473
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:18,960
There would be an elevator there.

474
00:35:19,720 --> 00:35:21,620
Again, would be a public access elevator.

475
00:35:24,610 --> 00:35:28,250
That would be the main entry, which would actually our entrance now.

476
00:35:28,330 --> 00:35:30,630
Just the main entry door is not ADA accessible.

477
00:35:31,110 --> 00:35:33,810
This door would be designed to be ADA accessible as well.

478
00:35:33,810 --> 00:35:39,470
So bathrooms and locker rooms, this is a picture of the second floor.

479
00:35:39,630 --> 00:35:43,750
This is where we ask our female employees to have their locker room.

480
00:35:44,470 --> 00:35:50,910
And this is also used as a multi-gender bathroom as well as shower facility.

481
00:35:51,610 --> 00:35:52,890
Again, on the second floor.

482
00:35:53,070 --> 00:35:55,970
So we come back from these calls that we're talking about.

483
00:35:56,330 --> 00:35:57,710
We travel to the second floor.

484
00:35:58,450 --> 00:36:03,010
And we're all of the living quarters are the training quarters, eating quarters.

485
00:36:03,010 --> 00:36:10,370
spreading those contaminants around to get our clean clothes and we walk in and take a shower and now we've contaminated everything around us.

486
00:36:10,830 --> 00:36:15,370
The only thing that I assure you doesn't happen here is our protected clothing does not end up on this level.

487
00:36:16,010 --> 00:36:20,930
We took a stance on that quite some time ago and try to do the best we could to eliminate that.

488
00:36:21,630 --> 00:36:26,810
But our workforce as far as female employees continues to expand, which is a very positive thing.

489
00:36:26,810 --> 00:36:35,170
We have some rock star employees, and this is not a fair space to ask them to share with the rest of the organization.

490
00:36:38,020 --> 00:36:41,380
So the new facility would have separated male and female locker rooms.

491
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,220
Oops, was very quick. Sorry about that.

492
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,640
As you can see, we have the appropriate space, we have lockers in there,

493
00:36:49,040 --> 00:36:53,940
and we have much more user friendly facilities for our entire organization.

494
00:36:55,710 --> 00:37:02,570
So this is the current EOC and training room they're outdated and lack the space and technology to meet the needs of the community of the size.

495
00:37:03,190 --> 00:37:08,930
When we have a natural disaster or a big event that affects the city, this is where the leadership and the command team meets.

496
00:37:09,570 --> 00:37:17,270
This is where we make decisions of how we're going to fix things whether it be a hurricane, a flood or any other man made event that may occur.

497
00:37:17,270 --> 00:37:24,130
one, it's embarrassing quite frankly for me to have members of not only the city staff

498
00:37:24,130 --> 00:37:27,650
but members of the public come into our room and look up at the ceiling and see this.

499
00:37:28,190 --> 00:37:34,270
The storage in the room as you can see is disgusting at best because we don't have any room to put stuff.

500
00:37:35,350 --> 00:37:41,490
And this is supposed to be one of the most sacred, professional, high-tech rooms in the city based on what we do in there.

501
00:37:41,930 --> 00:37:44,930
And we don't have the ability to accomplish that right now with what we're looking at.

502
00:37:44,930 --> 00:37:48,870
But not to mention it's right above the apparatus floor.

503
00:37:49,490 --> 00:37:53,570
As all of you know, we've expanded our scope for a community health program.

504
00:37:53,570 --> 00:37:59,150
We have a full time community paramedic and two part time community nurses.

505
00:38:00,310 --> 00:38:04,710
This is their office base that they share, which also serves as the backup dispatch center

506
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:05,330
for the city.

507
00:38:05,850 --> 00:38:10,290
So if the dispatch center up at the police department for some reason went down and over

508
00:38:10,290 --> 00:38:13,570
is able to help us out, but this is where our dispatchers would relocate to.

509
00:38:13,570 --> 00:38:15,670
the dispatch police and fire emergencies.

510
00:38:16,470 --> 00:38:19,210
Also, if there is a large scale emergency event

511
00:38:19,630 --> 00:38:21,730
that we talked about where the EOC was open,

512
00:38:22,190 --> 00:38:25,410
we may back in a dispatcher to come and sit here

513
00:38:25,410 --> 00:38:26,710
and work out of here.

514
00:38:27,030 --> 00:38:29,590
But we have three people that are involved in community health

515
00:38:29,590 --> 00:38:30,810
that are out in the community every day

516
00:38:30,810 --> 00:38:32,450
that share that one desk

517
00:38:32,450 --> 00:38:34,350
because we don't have any other space for them right now.

518
00:38:38,940 --> 00:38:41,760
The new design, we'd have a new state-of-the-art

519
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:43,180
emergency operations center

520
00:38:43,700 --> 00:38:45,360
and we'll talk about some other stuff at the end,

521
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:46,880
but this is one of the particular rooms

522
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:52,500
where there is lots of state money available for grants that we can be reimbursed for the cost

523
00:38:52,500 --> 00:38:54,380
of building the emergency operations center.

524
00:38:56,540 --> 00:38:59,040
We'd have a backup dispatch center located directly

525
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:00,860
off the emergency operations center.

526
00:39:02,920 --> 00:39:05,540
And there would be offices of the arrows covered

527
00:39:05,540 --> 00:39:09,400
side there for mobile integrated health. You can see it's a much bigger space and would accommodate

528
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:14,860
the community of paramedic and the three nurses to have their own space. They do teleconference,

529
00:39:14,860 --> 00:39:25,960
They do phone calls. Occasionally patients will come in and meet them there. Obviously, they're more of an out on the road style, but they currently we don't have the ability to have those options for them.

530
00:39:26,340 --> 00:39:26,540
So

531
00:39:29,100 --> 00:39:31,060
this is our alarms ring.

532
00:39:32,340 --> 00:39:44,660
The picture on the left, if you look in the in the back corner, that is the digitizer or the form for where our master box system, our municipal fire alarm system, the fire alarm boxes.

533
00:39:44,660 --> 00:39:49,600
that protects billions of dollars of infrastructure in the city that's where it

534
00:39:49,600 --> 00:39:54,300
records to is right there. This other picture in the back one as you can see

535
00:39:54,300 --> 00:39:59,520
there's the blue cables run along the ceiling and run down. That is about 90% of

536
00:39:59,520 --> 00:40:04,640
the city's phone and fiber infrastructure that comes into our building. We

537
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:10,020
cool that room with a window-sized air conditioner and we heat it with nothing.

538
00:40:10,740 --> 00:40:17,380
So, all of that critical city infrastructure is exposed to hot humid temperatures, dampness,

539
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,500
and we have had issues in there.

540
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:23,400
We can't keep an air conditioner in there without freezing it up or blowing it up.

541
00:40:24,460 --> 00:40:30,840
Also the city, one of the, the fire station is one of the main city radio antennas and communication

542
00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:32,240
centers for the city.

543
00:40:32,780 --> 00:40:38,660
If that goes down, we've quickly learned that, and recently, that anything downtown for

544
00:40:38,660 --> 00:40:42,040
law enforcement or police have difficulty transmitting if that system goes down.

545
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,600
And this is the space that we currently keep it in.

546
00:40:47,140 --> 00:40:52,660
The new proposed building will have an IT server room storage for just the IT equipment,

547
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:57,840
so the fiber, the phones, and any of the computer network system that we need for our organization

548
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:00,020
as well as the citywide infrastructure.

549
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:04,480
We have a separate telephone and fiber room, and we'll have a separate electrical room

550
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:09,060
so that we can keep this all organized and clean and up to code like it should be.

551
00:41:09,060 --> 00:41:11,140
and we protect the city infrastructure.

552
00:41:13,740 --> 00:41:16,120
So the current energy efficiency gaps, as I've mentioned,

553
00:41:16,340 --> 00:41:19,620
there's no HVAC system, there's no solar,

554
00:41:20,660 --> 00:41:22,320
there's little to no insulation in the walls,

555
00:41:22,960 --> 00:41:23,780
those are brick walls.

556
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,380
In the summer, the brick walls, if you go in

557
00:41:26,380 --> 00:41:27,860
and touch them from the inside of the building,

558
00:41:27,860 --> 00:41:30,120
are extremely hot because they absorb the sun,

559
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:31,980
which makes the inside of the building warmer,

560
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,980
which makes our little 10,000 or 5,000 BTU air conditioners

561
00:41:35,980 --> 00:41:37,480
that we have 13 of in the building

562
00:41:37,480 --> 00:41:39,740
work extremely hard throughout the winter.

563
00:41:40,260 --> 00:41:43,960
And in the winter or in the summer and in the winter, the walls are very cold.

564
00:41:44,660 --> 00:41:49,020
And again, there's one thermostat that controls all of the bunk rooms upstairs.

565
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:54,300
And it's a constant game up and down, up and down, up and down with those thermostats.

566
00:41:55,440 --> 00:42:00,060
There's no electric vehicle charging infrastructure, which is very important for us to move into the future with that.

567
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,760
I mentioned the 12 portable window unit air conditioners.

568
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:09,580
I actually think there is 13 or functioning heat zones and poor energy building envelope.

569
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,660
I actually had a discussion with Councillor Bielo many years ago and we were talking about

570
00:42:13,660 --> 00:42:18,000
putting windows in there about how I felt like we were trying to put brand new windows

571
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:23,300
in a wet paper bag and how it was just we had to do it because the windows were in terrible

572
00:42:23,300 --> 00:42:26,840
condition but we were trying to do it the most cost effective way we could for what we were

573
00:42:26,840 --> 00:42:27,520
working with.

574
00:42:30,340 --> 00:42:35,200
So the proposed energy upgrades would allow solar system to be installed that would be that's

575
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:37,420
part of the build process, part of the initial budget.

576
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:39,520
We want to get going right away with solar

577
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,060
and try and serve the energy and move

578
00:42:41,060 --> 00:42:42,300
into a more efficient building.

579
00:42:43,220 --> 00:42:46,380
You can see the two solar farms that we would have up there.

580
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,200
We would have the HVAC air handling units

581
00:42:49,200 --> 00:42:51,080
in the two separate parks, the apparatus,

582
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,520
separate from the living quarters and administrative offices.

583
00:42:55,500 --> 00:42:59,940
We would have two vehicle charging stations out back

584
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:03,360
or city employees or vehicles if we needed out back.

585
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:08,120
And there would be vehicle charging infrastructure actually built into the apparatus floor.

586
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:15,700
If at some point we reach the time where we have electric fire trucks or smaller fire apparatus or vehicles that we would charge inside the building.

587
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:22,840
We want to put that infrastructure in ahead of time so that it's ready to go so that we aren't digging up the floor to reinstall this down the road.

588
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:25,780
We know that's the future. That's no, we know that's where we're headed.

589
00:43:29,650 --> 00:43:46,650
Additionally, we'll meet or exceed most the most current New Hampshire energy code will incorporate key pump technology. We've been working with the city energy coordinator to come up with some unique ideas for that and installation of infrastructure that will assist us and working toward a net zero energy building.

590
00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:59,300
So location, I've sat in front of you before as well as the former fire chief talking about where's the best spot for this and why why are we looking to stay right where we are.

591
00:43:59,780 --> 00:44:10,800
So just a recap and I know all of you have heard this before but in 2000 from 2018 to 2021 we looked at 11,383 incidents that happened in the city of Lebanon.

592
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:17,380
and currently from our two fire stations where they're located, we were able to get to 59%

593
00:44:17,380 --> 00:44:22,280
of those calls within national response times based on where our location of our station is.

594
00:44:23,720 --> 00:44:27,440
One of the other proposed sites that we looked at for this main fire station,

595
00:44:27,540 --> 00:44:31,920
the central fire station was a little heater road. If we do our heat mapping study again,

596
00:44:32,160 --> 00:44:37,460
we would see a 14% reduction of our coverage area from where the current station is we're talking

597
00:44:37,460 --> 00:44:38,240
about right now.

598
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:46,840
Altable of art was another place that we looked at because that end of the community is rapidly

599
00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,420
growing and our power volume is increasing pretty steadily in north of Etna Road.

600
00:44:51,060 --> 00:44:58,140
And I use the Etna Road border as a statement because that anything beyond that, I can't

601
00:44:58,140 --> 00:44:59,980
achieve any response times that we're-

602
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:10,480
We're trying to achieve in that right now, just because of the travel distance. So if we were to move our central fire station there, we would see a 20% reduction in our current coverage ability right now.

603
00:45:12,700 --> 00:45:25,060
We talked about Hanover Street extension in the former brickyard as well. There was an opportunity there that we had looked at, and that would result in a 15% reduction of coverage from where our current station location is.

604
00:45:27,800 --> 00:45:45,600
So, yes, Council V. Lovergan, the 15% reduction, is that like 15% of the total or a 15% of the base amount?

605
00:45:46,240 --> 00:45:50,840
So it's a 15% of the, so the first slide that I showed I'll go back.

606
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:58,240
Yeah, so when you're in 20, are you talking about dropping from 40% to 20% yes 20% of 40% no it's dropping

607
00:45:58,240 --> 00:46:03,060
The total that you're correct would be losing in terms of correct. Correct. That's a little bit important

608
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:14,020
So moving on to the the site plan the overall site plan the fire station would be in the same footprint that it currently exists

609
00:46:14,660 --> 00:46:19,340
And I'll show you be a three story building. It'll be a little bit further back into the parking lot

610
00:46:19,340 --> 00:46:24,300
the ramp would be very similar size to what it is right now and there's still

611
00:46:24,300 --> 00:46:26,700
be the small sidewalk along the church street.

612
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:30,070
Sorry these pictures are a

613
00:46:30,070 --> 00:46:33,870
little distorted. I did the best I could with them but this is kind of just the

614
00:46:33,870 --> 00:46:38,470
30,000-foot view if you will of what the first floor would look like. We have the

615
00:46:38,470 --> 00:46:42,990
apparatus floor and then we have the captains and the firefighters administrative

616
00:46:42,990 --> 00:46:50,410
offices, the turnout gear room, full storage areas, our air compressor room. We

617
00:46:50,410 --> 00:46:55,250
We could actually put our SCBA compressor in that we fill our air bottles with that would

618
00:46:55,250 --> 00:47:00,170
be kept separate of the diesel contaminants, so we're not putting diesel contaminated air

619
00:47:00,170 --> 00:47:04,010
in the cylinders that we breathe out of when we go to a call that we do now.

620
00:47:06,330 --> 00:47:10,330
The second floor would be the living quarters, if you will.

621
00:47:10,910 --> 00:47:15,410
There will be a fitness area, there will be the kitchen area, very similar to what we have

622
00:47:15,410 --> 00:47:20,870
have now the locker rooms and there will be a small laundry area up there as well.

623
00:47:23,240 --> 00:47:26,520
And the third floor would become the EOC, the administrative offices.

624
00:47:27,300 --> 00:47:31,200
So the fire chiefs office, the administrative office, we'd have an additional meeting room

625
00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:35,520
up there, the EOC, the backup dispatch center would all be up there as well.

626
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:41,880
The reason that that's laid out like it is, is we want the operations area to be closer

627
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:44,980
to the apparatus floor because they need to be out the door of the quickest on calls.

628
00:47:44,980 --> 00:47:47,560
and the administration, they don't walk me,

629
00:47:47,740 --> 00:47:48,720
quick out the door on call.

630
00:47:48,940 --> 00:47:50,480
So that's why we're up on the third floor.

631
00:47:51,060 --> 00:47:52,040
But that's best served.

632
00:47:52,100 --> 00:47:53,100
And now that we have the elevator,

633
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:57,300
the third floor is accessible very easily to the public.

634
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:00,820
And again, I apologize for the quality of these pictures.

635
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:02,200
We did the best we could on a PowerPoint,

636
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:05,660
but I'm more than happy to share the true images with you

637
00:48:05,660 --> 00:48:07,660
if you want to see those at some point.

638
00:48:09,730 --> 00:48:12,690
So this is the conceptual design for the outside of the station.

639
00:48:12,810 --> 00:48:13,670
This is a front view.

640
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:16,630
to basically looking from right in front of the church.

641
00:48:17,570 --> 00:48:19,510
And this is off church street looking

642
00:48:19,510 --> 00:48:20,630
to the rear of the building.

643
00:48:22,580 --> 00:48:24,500
So be a side view of the building.

644
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,300
So be on the church street as well

645
00:48:27,300 --> 00:48:29,640
as the middle of the market side of the building.

646
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,200
Question from Mayor McNamara.

647
00:48:31,740 --> 00:48:31,840
Yes.

648
00:48:32,400 --> 00:48:35,380
So you're going from just under 15,000 square feet

649
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:39,280
to just over 24,000 square feet with a new building.

650
00:48:40,180 --> 00:48:42,800
So about a 10,000 square foot increase.

651
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:45,300
but you're on essentially the same footprint.

652
00:48:45,980 --> 00:48:48,200
Is the third story allow you to do all that?

653
00:48:49,540 --> 00:48:51,860
Or is the footprint actually increasing on that?

654
00:48:51,860 --> 00:48:52,760
The footprinting is,

655
00:48:53,140 --> 00:48:54,640
the building will be a little bit longer

656
00:48:54,640 --> 00:48:56,960
into the rear parking lot where we are right now,

657
00:48:57,550 --> 00:48:59,840
as well as the third story is where we make up

658
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:00,820
the difference in the increase.

659
00:49:04,290 --> 00:49:07,490
This is a picture basically facing the rear of the building

660
00:49:07,490 --> 00:49:09,070
and then facing the front of the building

661
00:49:09,070 --> 00:49:10,610
or the conceptual design.

662
00:49:13,580 --> 00:49:14,640
So the overall benefits,

663
00:49:14,640 --> 00:49:21,540
We reduce the risk of occupational disease and death to our employees as well as the citizens that may choose to use our building.

664
00:49:21,900 --> 00:49:28,360
We have a couple conference rooms in the proposed design that would be open for public meetings, small groups, whatever need be in there.

665
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:37,820
Increased room for immediate staffing needs. You've heard me say that the call volume is growing, our city is growing and we're going to need more employees.

666
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:43,460
reduced energy and consumption, ADA accessible, that's very important to us, we

667
00:49:43,460 --> 00:49:46,700
want to be ADA accessible, we need to be, we need to be co-compliant.

668
00:49:48,300 --> 00:49:52,480
A modern emergency operations center, emergency management and preparedness is

669
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:55,520
very important to us, it's a very important part of what I do every single day,

670
00:49:56,200 --> 00:50:00,400
and we don't have the proper facilities to manage that. And the central

671
00:50:00,400 --> 00:50:03,620
station would be located in the most appropriate location to meet the response

672
00:50:03,620 --> 00:50:05,380
time objectives that we currently have.

673
00:50:10,450 --> 00:50:12,810
So obviously we would have to move ourselves

674
00:50:13,390 --> 00:50:17,850
to make this happen. So the administrative personnel, which would be the assistant chief,

675
00:50:18,010 --> 00:50:24,490
myself, the administrative assistant public health and fire prevention, we have an agreement to move

676
00:50:24,490 --> 00:50:30,070
into the third floor of the Lebanon SAU building with some vacant space that they have there

677
00:50:30,790 --> 00:50:34,930
and the operation staff and equipment. So the ambulance is the fire tracks that people

678
00:50:34,930 --> 00:50:40,330
to do the work every single day would be relocating down and sharing space down at public works

679
00:50:40,330 --> 00:50:47,290
with a combination of offices and temporary structure down there for storage of equipment

680
00:50:47,290 --> 00:50:51,790
but on property that we own and it would actually leave a benefit because we're going to do some

681
00:50:51,790 --> 00:50:55,830
site prep down there it would leave a benefit for more space for the public works department

682
00:50:55,830 --> 00:51:00,790
in their facility for parking and equipment storage as well when we vacate the facility.

683
00:51:00,790 --> 00:51:01,670
So

684
00:51:04,010 --> 00:51:08,630
this is just a rough outline of the project budget and, again, we have the project management

685
00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:08,990
company.

686
00:51:09,110 --> 00:51:13,450
If you have more detailed questions about that online with us, I've broken into professional

687
00:51:13,450 --> 00:51:17,090
fees, construction costs, owner costs and permits.

688
00:51:17,930 --> 00:51:20,070
And I can go through it line by line for what's here.

689
00:51:20,670 --> 00:51:23,890
But if you have any specific questions, I'd be happy to answer those as well.

690
00:51:24,450 --> 00:51:32,030
The total project request that we're looking at for this is $22,669,936 dollars.

691
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:42,490
Obviously, like we do with any massive project of this size, I've already been having discussions

692
00:51:42,490 --> 00:51:48,090
with our grants group here with Rebecca about seeking any grants that we can for energy

693
00:51:48,090 --> 00:51:55,290
efficiency or the EOC, as I mentioned, or anything that we can do to save the taxpayer money,

694
00:51:55,470 --> 00:51:57,530
we are going to aggressively go after those.

695
00:51:57,910 --> 00:52:01,330
I can't tell you what all of those are right now because some of that data hasn't been released.

696
00:52:01,810 --> 00:52:06,190
Some of those applications aren't open, but is a primary objective of us to do that and

697
00:52:06,190 --> 00:52:07,910
be aggressive and out in front of that now.

698
00:52:08,910 --> 00:52:12,810
Yeah, part of this. We'll need to final design before we can get the is rebates involved.

699
00:52:12,990 --> 00:52:16,110
As you know, it's same thing with city. Oh, we got rebates and those things are now.

700
00:52:16,190 --> 00:52:21,010
They had the IRA program and what they have final designs to be able to submit those for funding or

701
00:52:21,010 --> 00:52:24,930
twice. So the rough timeline right now, as proposed is

702
00:52:25,370 --> 00:52:30,530
December of 2023. I will be seeking your official approval for the project.

703
00:52:31,430 --> 00:52:34,630
January of 24 will start the final design process.

704
00:52:34,630 --> 00:52:40,390
July of 24, we would be relocating and vacating the current station into our

705
00:52:40,390 --> 00:52:45,210
temporary homes. August of 2024, demolition of the current station would

706
00:52:45,210 --> 00:52:50,370
begin. September of 24, September, October, the new construction process

707
00:52:50,370 --> 00:52:56,930
would begin with a target date for us to begin the new building by December of

708
00:52:56,930 --> 00:53:01,570
2025. Obviously, we all know we've been around long enough, the construction like

709
00:53:01,570 --> 00:53:05,990
that sometimes it doesn't fall in that timeline, but that's what I have for you at this point

710
00:53:05,990 --> 00:53:06,510
right now.

711
00:53:09,250 --> 00:53:11,430
I don't have anything further in the presentation.

712
00:53:12,310 --> 00:53:17,870
You've seen the spreadsheet in terms of debt service payments. I provide that to you so

713
00:53:17,870 --> 00:53:20,490
you can look at that as we normally do with these projects.

714
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,380
Yes, I'm sorry. Councillor Wolzen, then Councillor Sykes.

715
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:42,900
I just wanted to point out, too, because it was part of an important consideration for approval of this new building.

716
00:53:43,560 --> 00:53:56,780
And that is that much of the research in terms of health concerns for firefighters and people who engage in that type of work is longstanding.

717
00:53:56,780 --> 00:54:04,520
but there's new research being conducted that is not fully complete yet, but it does begin to

718
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:11,360
broaden the picture in terms of the risk that our city employees take. The most recent one,

719
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:17,780
for example, is that there's a Massachusetts study that indicates that there's a high correlation

720
00:54:17,780 --> 00:54:24,740
between that and Parkinson's, which needs to be more fully explored, but I mean it's just,

721
00:54:24,740 --> 00:54:34,800
We don't even talk about that yet because the research is finished and there are some other things as well, so I'm not diminishing the cancer risk.

722
00:54:34,980 --> 00:54:37,680
It's huge, but there are others as well.

723
00:54:37,820 --> 00:54:39,820
And I think that has to be part of our discussion.

724
00:54:40,980 --> 00:54:41,220
Thank you.

725
00:54:41,540 --> 00:54:42,380
Councillor Woodlesy.

726
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,370
I have a short one.

727
00:54:45,550 --> 00:54:45,710
Yes.

728
00:54:46,050 --> 00:54:46,570
That's very real.

729
00:54:47,190 --> 00:54:47,570
Thank you.

730
00:54:48,510 --> 00:54:50,430
For the temporary relocation.

731
00:54:50,670 --> 00:54:50,730
Yep.

732
00:54:52,390 --> 00:54:54,850
What's the plan for overnight facilities?

733
00:54:54,850 --> 00:55:01,370
So the temporary relocation would be we'll say three units.

734
00:55:01,610 --> 00:55:05,730
There'll be a temporary structure put up for our fire apparatus,

735
00:55:05,990 --> 00:55:08,030
just the storage of the apparatus, the equipment,

736
00:55:08,510 --> 00:55:11,410
and then there will be job trailers, essentially,

737
00:55:11,530 --> 00:55:15,930
but there are living quarters with a kitchen, shower, bedroom facilities,

738
00:55:15,930 --> 00:55:18,290
and then there'll be an office trailer as well.

739
00:55:18,570 --> 00:55:21,070
So that will be how that site would be set up.

740
00:55:21,070 --> 00:55:25,530
Yeah. Okay. Is that in the budget? That is one of the proposed budget. Yes.

741
00:55:26,470 --> 00:55:38,090
Thank you. Yes. Councilwoman, please. Alright, and we're all going to be shocked. These are financial questions. So sorry, you said you spent right now, you're spending what like five half a million a year on repairs and maintenance to the existing fire station.

742
00:55:38,910 --> 00:55:44,790
Not half a million. No, the plan event system was about $5,000. Oh, okay. Yeah.

743
00:55:45,410 --> 00:55:49,330
Overall, our cost, which so it's about $5,000 with a plan event,

744
00:55:49,650 --> 00:55:55,730
propane is about $30,000 a year, electricity is about $25,000 to $30,000 maybe up to $40,000 a year now.

745
00:55:56,330 --> 00:55:57,630
And there's other costs as well.

746
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:12,030
You mentioned also so like because the lack of like control where you're storing your gear, it sounds like it's,

747
00:56:12,070 --> 00:56:15,390
there's just additional kind of breakdown in the equipment.

748
00:56:15,390 --> 00:56:45,310
So like do you have a sense of like is that like you're losing like one year of useful life three years like what is that so I can't quantify that worry what I can tell you is that protective clothing is is good for 10 years is what the manufacturer says so every five years we keep two sets of year every five years we buy a new set the environment that it's started now is not what the manufacturers recommendation is unfortunately I know it breaks it down but I can't

749
00:56:45,310 --> 00:56:48,510
I want to find out the number of how much it breaks it down.

750
00:56:48,630 --> 00:56:48,790
All right.

751
00:56:49,290 --> 00:56:51,330
So I mean, because it sounds like you're probably

752
00:56:51,330 --> 00:56:53,230
stretching it out as far as you can.

753
00:56:53,470 --> 00:56:53,830
We absolutely.

754
00:56:54,130 --> 00:56:58,330
So like from your perspective, how often are we replacing it

755
00:56:58,330 --> 00:56:59,850
to the 10 years, and you're just taking that?

756
00:56:59,850 --> 00:57:03,730
Yeah, so for example, our fighter gets hired.

757
00:57:04,070 --> 00:57:06,850
They get two sets of one set of turnout gear.

758
00:57:07,370 --> 00:57:11,670
Every five years, so that gear will last for 10 years.

759
00:57:12,190 --> 00:57:14,090
They'll get another set, so they're staggering.

760
00:57:14,090 --> 00:57:24,150
So every five years we're buying a new set of turnout here so that the firefighter only has one set that's reaching the 10-year mark. It's never older than 10 years.

761
00:57:24,930 --> 00:57:27,630
It's safe to say that they just have to make it work.

762
00:57:28,010 --> 00:57:37,390
They have to make it work and we know because of the manufacturer's recommendations, we know because of studies that the year is not stored properly and it is breaking down.

763
00:57:37,810 --> 00:57:41,090
I don't want to give you a quality because I can't define that for you.

764
00:57:41,090 --> 00:57:48,330
And then the other thing I think of too is right, like we talked about this for the capital purchases of the trucks right the ladder and the engines.

765
00:57:48,910 --> 00:57:56,350
Like how much are we do you remember like how much are we spending extra on that because we don't have the like 14 foot clearance.

766
00:57:56,550 --> 00:58:08,550
So truck two, which is our ladder truck out of station two currently that truck had to be modified when we bought it in 2013 to specifically fit into station one.

767
00:58:08,550 --> 00:58:16,110
I actually contacted the vendor a couple of weeks ago to get that number and that at that time it cost us

768
00:58:17,570 --> 00:58:26,030
117 or $118,000 to modify that truck and the price of fire trucks the value of fire trucks is increased by 38% since then

769
00:58:26,030 --> 00:58:33,630
So to put it in perspective were you know, we're four million dollars in modifications to make a truck to fit into that fire station

770
00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:51,580
Councillor Sipes, again, with that point that you just made chief, I would also point

771
00:58:51,580 --> 00:58:59,800
out that even to get that modified ladder truck into the station, the ramp had to be torn

772
00:58:59,800 --> 00:59:10,240
up and rebuilt so that the for proper angles, and that's not a safe ramp as far as that goes.

773
00:59:10,240 --> 00:59:19,380
So obviously the new building I presume will have a approach that will make the ladder truck fit in without any of that.

774
00:59:19,900 --> 00:59:20,780
Up and down.

775
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:23,320
Answer Hill.

776
00:59:26,730 --> 00:59:27,930
Yeah, Councillor Hill.

777
00:59:29,770 --> 00:59:34,250
How about station two because we've been also talking about that.

778
00:59:34,650 --> 00:59:36,250
So can you talk about that?

779
00:59:36,250 --> 00:59:50,590
Yeah, quite honestly both stations are in need of replacement for the same reasons space health and safety concerns as as you know we've worked for a couple years on trying to find a location and we weren't able to find an appropriate location.

780
00:59:50,590 --> 00:59:59,970
We proposed a couple ideas and just kind of didn't make any progress on that and we need to keep the momentum going and my objective is to provide a.

781
01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:24,440
A safe, healthy working environment and build for the future. And I saw an opportunity for station one. So we've chose to do that now. But station two is in still in dire need. They both are in dire need. Station one has a very large impact on daily operations just because there's more people in that station. But station two is is in rough shape, to say the least.

782
01:00:24,440 --> 01:00:28,840
there to say that it's not going to make it until 2045 the end of our debt

783
01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:31,040
service on this station. No.

784
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:37,220
Are there is there a sense of how much of the

785
01:00:37,220 --> 01:00:41,480
project cost might be defraired by state grants or by any of the inflation

786
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:46,820
reduction act or other dollars that are out there? I don't have that number yet. A

787
01:00:46,820 --> 01:00:50,940
sense of that only because again we haven't been to final design to have the

788
01:00:50,940 --> 01:00:56,460
final, you know, the final plans and the final energy efficiency study done on it to understand

789
01:00:56,460 --> 01:01:00,980
that. We worked hard to try and get some of that information, but I don't have a figure that I'm

790
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:06,160
comfortable throwing out there for you at this point. Maybe we'll have a little more information by

791
01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:11,720
the time budget comes around, do you think? No, because we have to do the final design. No, I know we

792
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:17,280
have to do final design, but are there, do we know if there are even streams, like are there grant

793
01:01:17,280 --> 01:01:26,040
opportunity. Yeah. So, you know, we'll qualify at least by the present rules as we understand them 30% reimbursement for that.

794
01:01:26,260 --> 01:01:32,480
Okay. That's a tax credit program and they have a lot of municipalities and we don't pay taxes. We get that money back for the solar system that are in there.

795
01:01:32,880 --> 01:01:37,680
I mean, our heating systems and air conditioning systems are so iniquly that we're going to be able to get rebates like we did for city hall.

796
01:01:37,960 --> 01:01:40,780
They can qualify for that. We did pretty well with that here.

797
01:01:40,780 --> 01:01:45,300
So we're going to get those, and then the EOC grants to the NPEG grant is actually a

798
01:01:45,300 --> 01:01:47,880
separate one just for EOCs like everybody else.

799
01:01:48,020 --> 01:01:50,180
We're going to be able to get some grant money to be able to do that.

800
01:01:50,560 --> 01:01:55,460
It's not going to appreciably reduce this cost on this tail there right now, but it's going

801
01:01:55,460 --> 01:01:57,300
to help to offset some of that.

802
01:01:57,820 --> 01:02:00,840
But we're not, you know, we're not talking the mains of dollars.

803
01:02:02,040 --> 01:02:07,020
It's probably hundreds of thousands of that range is the most likely hoe that we would get

804
01:02:07,020 --> 01:02:07,420
from those.

805
01:02:07,420 --> 01:02:11,620
because again, there's no insulation, I mean, whatever we do is going to be

806
01:02:11,620 --> 01:02:12,000
improved.

807
01:02:14,090 --> 01:02:19,230
And so then, can you talk a little bit about what this does to our

808
01:02:19,230 --> 01:02:28,730
other capital projects given our policy about our debt policy? I would suggest

809
01:02:28,730 --> 01:02:33,230
that we save that for the 18 because I'm going to have charts because it gets I showed

810
01:02:33,230 --> 01:02:36,910
three councils the other night. Last night, as a matter of fact, we didn't have

811
01:02:36,910 --> 01:02:40,050
anyway, I just kind of gave them a glimpse of that.

812
01:02:40,810 --> 01:02:41,930
What would you do in very well,

813
01:02:42,050 --> 01:02:43,870
so people, I mean, reason to come and talk to us

814
01:02:43,870 --> 01:02:44,390
so I'm going to ask you.

815
01:02:44,410 --> 01:02:45,430
Clearly, that's the message.

816
01:02:46,610 --> 01:02:47,430
It'll probably be different

817
01:02:47,430 --> 01:02:50,450
when the other two counties are on West Web and they're

818
01:02:50,450 --> 01:02:50,990
against it.

819
01:02:52,370 --> 01:02:56,130
So anyway, it'll make a lot more sense

820
01:02:56,130 --> 01:02:57,770
if I provide you with that context

821
01:02:57,770 --> 01:02:59,570
because there's a lot more than pieces.

822
01:03:00,130 --> 01:03:01,670
As I was explaining to three counts,

823
01:03:01,750 --> 01:03:04,450
I have to be able to put this in a format

824
01:03:04,450 --> 01:03:05,390
that you could absorb.

825
01:03:05,390 --> 01:03:23,430
And that's not questioning your intelligence is to so many pieces to that one side fund balance and then how that is spread out the changes in the rate of our tax based growing all those sorts of things have to be factored and you'll see that what that looks like at least theoretical picture what it looks like based on the projections that we have.

826
01:03:23,530 --> 01:03:27,790
That is fair to say that it eats up the majority of our capital.

827
01:03:27,790 --> 01:03:30,070
I'm sure it was the next 20 years.

828
01:03:30,690 --> 01:03:31,050
Oh, sure.

829
01:03:31,490 --> 01:03:35,030
Well, at least the next value 26 for that four years,

830
01:03:35,030 --> 01:03:37,010
the striker provision would kick in.

831
01:03:37,510 --> 01:03:39,290
And we're going to make some decisions about that.

832
01:03:39,290 --> 01:03:39,850
So I'm saying so.

833
01:03:40,250 --> 01:03:42,610
I need to show you need to see that graphically,

834
01:03:42,610 --> 01:03:45,050
and it'll be easier for you to absorb, I think.

835
01:03:45,250 --> 01:03:45,370
Sure.

836
01:03:47,570 --> 01:03:48,310
Councilor Sykes.

837
01:03:50,370 --> 01:03:51,250
Councilor Sykes again.

838
01:03:51,590 --> 01:03:54,730
So while we're on that matter of costs, etc.

839
01:03:56,070 --> 01:03:58,730
I want to make sure I understood your slides.

840
01:03:58,730 --> 01:04:07,590
So, this building is designed at least for 2029 expectations or is it beyond that?

841
01:04:07,710 --> 01:04:09,010
The space for a program.

842
01:04:11,580 --> 01:04:14,980
And we're actually about a thousand square feet over what the study.

843
01:04:15,800 --> 01:04:25,000
The reason I bring that up is I did some a little bit of research about the existing fire station which was built in 1954.

844
01:04:25,000 --> 01:04:32,580
forward. It was very interesting to me to see that there was a lot of community conversation

845
01:04:32,580 --> 01:04:41,800
about how it was too big and too expensive and totally unnecessary. And yet we got what,

846
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:48,520
70 years out of it. I mean, and things are not going to get cheaper as we move forward.

847
01:04:48,520 --> 01:05:00,620
So I just as we have these financial discussions, I think we need to keep that be mindful of the fact that good planning on our part is just that planning for the future.

848
01:05:02,220 --> 01:05:03,780
That was a big battle.

849
01:05:03,780 --> 01:05:11,600
Well, yeah, it was a thing in the news forever, seemed like that was Councilor Heistid speaking

850
01:05:11,600 --> 01:05:11,840
calling.

851
01:05:12,820 --> 01:05:16,200
Councillor Hilligan, and I'm sorry, but it was probably at the beginning.

852
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,380
What is the expected life of the new fire station?

853
01:05:19,740 --> 01:05:24,080
Well, there's no to fine timeline, but we're building a station that's going to be at least

854
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:29,400
50 years as well, we're expecting to get out of it, so probably 70 or 80, realistically

855
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:29,880
right?

856
01:05:30,060 --> 01:05:30,420
Right.

857
01:05:30,420 --> 01:05:34,060
And there will probably be improvements along the way as time goes on.

858
01:05:36,240 --> 01:05:36,780
Councilor Woodles.

859
01:05:37,060 --> 01:05:44,480
So Councillor Woodles see so not directly related to the fire station funding but you know as we look at our capital improvements program.

860
01:05:46,480 --> 01:05:51,300
What you know do we have other funding streams related to that that we can go after.

861
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:59,320
You know I think of like some of the work we're doing in West lab and other parts that have been you know funded through those congressional appropriations or other grants.

862
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,340
it seems like that, like are we, you know,

863
01:06:01,360 --> 01:06:03,320
I know we've been more aggressively going after grants,

864
01:06:03,500 --> 01:06:05,700
but it's possible to also, you know,

865
01:06:05,840 --> 01:06:08,600
do so in other areas knowing it's not as possible

866
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:10,920
for the fire station, which will fund through debt.

867
01:06:13,520 --> 01:06:15,240
We, you know, we can certainly apply for

868
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:16,940
a congressional, a congressional spending grant,

869
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:20,520
but then they're not popular enough for those to be successful.

870
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:26,120
It's the things that, you know, that are at the forefront

871
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:40,480
of the public interest, housing, right, and childcare, and those sorts of things that are getting funny, and it all depends on what happens in the next few years, it may be a different issue, energy, you know, the IRA grants.

872
01:06:40,920 --> 01:06:47,000
Those are the things that Congress is trying to focus on and try to solve those particular issues, so that's where they're targeting that money.

873
01:06:47,000 --> 01:06:51,860
They used to be money in the safe program for fire station, but there's not a whole lot and that

874
01:06:52,580 --> 01:06:56,200
Was it much that was there weren't so many fire stations that received those kinds of funds

875
01:06:56,200 --> 01:07:01,640
So what you do have is you seem like to upgrade your emergency operations center fire equipment

876
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:02,480
PPE

877
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:08,020
Firefighters and we'll be talking about that in not tonight, but very soon

878
01:07:08,660 --> 01:07:09,480
That's where they're

879
01:07:11,020 --> 01:07:15,360
Congresses but it's safe to say there's other funding like because again, we're talking about you know

880
01:07:15,360 --> 01:07:16,820
we're going to trip that circuit breaker.

881
01:07:17,500 --> 01:07:19,660
You know, we can defray some of those.

882
01:07:19,840 --> 01:07:22,980
Instead of delaying some of these other capital expenditures,

883
01:07:22,980 --> 01:07:24,240
we know we have to make.

884
01:07:24,420 --> 01:07:27,920
We would be able to find certain other sources of funds

885
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:30,160
for those because we're going to spend our,

886
01:07:30,340 --> 01:07:33,080
you know, essentially trip our debt ceiling on the fire station.

887
01:07:35,210 --> 01:07:36,870
I guess I don't.

888
01:07:36,870 --> 01:07:37,570
And we're saying it.

889
01:07:37,770 --> 01:07:39,370
So like, you know, I guess the concern,

890
01:07:39,510 --> 01:07:42,050
if I'm hearing you correctly, Councillor Hillis,

891
01:07:42,190 --> 01:07:45,050
is what are we going to forego doing?

892
01:07:45,050 --> 01:08:08,730
because right, but I think, you know, I guess my question is more like, you know, knowing that we are going, you know, we're trying to focus on this, you know, like assuming we go forward with this request and, you know, what that means for our other fiscal decisions that we have to make, I guess my question is more is, you know, some of that I think it's not that it will necessarily be a full stop.

893
01:08:08,730 --> 01:08:15,930
It's just that it's going to force the city to look more aggressively at other funding sources for some of those other

894
01:08:15,930 --> 01:08:17,490
projects that don't have

895
01:08:18,040 --> 01:08:18,410
you know

896
01:08:18,410 --> 01:08:20,150
Fire station does not have

897
01:08:20,150 --> 01:08:25,250
External funds in the way that some of these other projects do. Yeah, so in that context

898
01:08:25,250 --> 01:08:29,250
You'll see when we present the CIP there's a list of unfunded projects

899
01:08:29,250 --> 01:08:34,150
Okay, the parking lot of projects that are not funded that list gets bigger. Needless to say okay

900
01:08:34,150 --> 01:08:36,470
There are some things that I don't even on the list

901
01:08:36,470 --> 01:08:44,850
I mean, you look at the streets over here, green street, all that, all those need to be reconstructed and there's just simply no money, no plans to presently do those.

902
01:08:45,470 --> 01:08:54,310
If you remember, when we had our last contract negotiations with all of the unions, the unions agreed to no step increases in 2023.

903
01:08:54,310 --> 01:09:04,870
agree, because we were expecting the fire station to be approved over in West London that didn't happen, so we actually restored those and as you know, the world has changed the labor cost.

904
01:09:05,190 --> 01:09:14,950
I would not be going back and asking them to do that again, right, because we would just simply lose around the cost of labor has gone up dramatically in that competition. So that's not going to be an option.

905
01:09:14,950 --> 01:09:17,950
and I have no intention of going to request that.

906
01:09:18,230 --> 01:09:18,890
But they agreed to that.

907
01:09:18,990 --> 01:09:20,290
All the unions agreed to do that.

908
01:09:20,410 --> 01:09:23,070
Understanding that the situation that the city was in.

909
01:09:24,130 --> 01:09:28,610
And you're gonna see the GWI, the COLA,

910
01:09:28,770 --> 01:09:30,790
Virginia one is only 1.8%.

911
01:09:30,790 --> 01:09:33,290
And you know out there with the cost of food

912
01:09:33,290 --> 01:09:34,950
and everything else is out there, that's not catch.

913
01:09:35,150 --> 01:09:38,030
So they're already losing ground there on that.

914
01:09:38,450 --> 01:09:42,110
So I have no intention of trying to find the funds that way.

915
01:09:42,390 --> 01:09:44,010
It's going to be a difficult road.

916
01:09:44,010 --> 01:09:46,210
So again, I'll get into more of this.

917
01:09:46,310 --> 01:09:48,290
We've had, I've been in the last five years

918
01:09:48,710 --> 01:09:50,810
and we have had the advantage of the people

919
01:09:50,810 --> 01:09:53,190
that some of you would hear that before I got here,

920
01:09:53,670 --> 01:09:55,050
the very strong financial plan

921
01:09:55,050 --> 01:09:57,350
that build up the cities on a signed fund balance

922
01:09:57,350 --> 01:09:58,850
to deal with the debt spikes that occurred

923
01:09:59,190 --> 01:10:00,630
and we're able to keep the tax as well.

924
01:10:01,310 --> 01:10:02,530
We're gonna be going into a different era

925
01:10:02,530 --> 01:10:04,330
and I've been talking about this for a while

926
01:10:04,330 --> 01:10:05,830
on a signed fund balance is going on

927
01:10:05,830 --> 01:10:08,130
so they don't have that hedge to be able

928
01:10:08,130 --> 01:10:09,550
to produce the tax rate, right?

929
01:10:09,830 --> 01:10:12,590
So what's likely to occur is a combination of things.

930
01:10:13,150 --> 01:10:15,710
tax rates increasing in services going down.

931
01:10:15,810 --> 01:10:19,250
That's just the reality that I think that our future is,

932
01:10:19,250 --> 01:10:21,030
and we're gonna have to make the best of that.

933
01:10:21,630 --> 01:10:23,370
As you know, projects like this,

934
01:10:23,570 --> 01:10:24,690
very similar to this project,

935
01:10:25,050 --> 01:10:27,690
City Hall renovation took 14 years to go through.

936
01:10:27,930 --> 01:10:30,050
It's that other two points, something million dollars

937
01:10:30,050 --> 01:10:31,830
and we finished at 7.1, right?

938
01:10:32,210 --> 01:10:33,990
The cost does not go down and only goes up.

939
01:10:34,910 --> 01:10:38,130
And this cost, we expected to build a fire station over here

940
01:10:38,130 --> 01:10:40,130
for about 15 million dollars two years ago.

941
01:10:40,130 --> 01:10:48,230
Now we're at almost 23 the cost of construction has gone up just out of control and it's and and discussing with the building of social

942
01:10:48,950 --> 01:10:54,430
Intra building association builders and developers that demands not going away

943
01:10:54,430 --> 01:10:59,730
Right, and there aren't enough construction workers to do that especially that's more acute in this region than anywhere else

944
01:10:59,730 --> 01:11:03,170
The cost of construction is much higher here than in a lot of places

945
01:11:03,170 --> 01:11:08,830
You're looking at something similar what it is in Boston for a whole variety of reasons without going too far off track

946
01:11:08,830 --> 01:11:24,070
I think you want to focus on questions about this facility, but we're going to get into all of that because that's that's the difficult decisions that the council is going to have to make it we all recognize that and we're going to have to make some tough choices and that's what of course you get paid the big dollars to do.

947
01:11:24,430 --> 01:11:28,890
That's right, you don't get paid at all. Anyway, I hope I answered your question a little bit.

948
01:11:28,890 --> 01:11:34,350
I think it'll make more sense as Council of Hill was asking trying to find out more about that understandably so

949
01:11:34,350 --> 01:11:39,950
I get to provide you some context and I showed the three councils it basically an Excel spreadsheet

950
01:11:39,950 --> 01:11:41,750
But so many numbers that's not gonna work

951
01:11:41,750 --> 01:11:46,170
I'm gonna have to show you in charts and things like that so you can appreciate and get a better idea

952
01:11:46,170 --> 01:11:51,490
I know for you. Yeah, it's about to say I love those Excel spreadsheets and I spent more of my time on that

953
01:11:51,490 --> 01:11:57,170
But mere mortals like the rest of us though we need to see things graphically to be able to understand them so and that actually is a nice

954
01:11:57,170 --> 01:11:59,410
I said go into something else wanted to bring up.

955
01:12:00,410 --> 01:12:02,550
So, you know, chief Wheatley,

956
01:12:02,730 --> 01:12:05,210
like in the kind of the past few years,

957
01:12:05,410 --> 01:12:07,690
what is our vacancy rate for firefighters

958
01:12:07,690 --> 01:12:10,110
who are in the EMTs run for the city?

959
01:12:10,450 --> 01:12:13,750
So we are very fortunate here in Lebanon right now

960
01:12:13,750 --> 01:12:15,630
that it's a desirable place to work.

961
01:12:15,790 --> 01:12:17,390
So we haven't had any vacancy rates.

962
01:12:18,250 --> 01:12:19,890
It's the problem we are experiencing,

963
01:12:19,970 --> 01:12:21,310
it's not vacancy, it's not a problem.

964
01:12:21,650 --> 01:12:22,930
Right, the work's emergency right now.

965
01:12:23,030 --> 01:12:24,570
So we're filling jobs when we have vacancies.

966
01:12:24,570 --> 01:12:32,490
We are starting to see the qualification levels of entry level people significantly lower, which is costing us more money to invest in them forward.

967
01:12:33,070 --> 01:12:36,770
So in the past, how many applicants would you get compared? How many applicants you get today?

968
01:12:36,990 --> 01:12:47,430
No, it wasn't 10 years ago. For one position, we'd see 40 to 50 applicants. And when we replace the three retirements last year or three positions, we had some applicants.

969
01:12:48,050 --> 01:12:54,830
So it's safe to say though that the hiring market for firefighters is just increasingly

970
01:12:54,830 --> 01:13:02,150
getting more and more competitive and would it be fair to say that a, you know, redesigned

971
01:13:02,150 --> 01:13:06,630
and overall, you know, I don't know the right, I'm not going to need the right current,

972
01:13:06,630 --> 01:13:10,910
but some of it's, you know, sufficient to meet all of the health and safety requirements

973
01:13:10,910 --> 01:13:17,190
and needs for those firefighters would be a considerable selling point in hiring people

974
01:13:17,190 --> 01:13:18,710
It would be very desirable.

975
01:13:19,010 --> 01:13:19,110
Yes.

976
01:13:19,330 --> 01:13:22,550
I think the most important thing is they don't want to die from cancer.

977
01:13:22,930 --> 01:13:24,450
And you're going to appreciate, I'm sure.

978
01:13:24,550 --> 01:13:26,850
I wasn't sure how to find the words to say that.

979
01:13:26,850 --> 01:13:29,010
So I do appreciate you saying that.

980
01:13:29,130 --> 01:13:30,710
But that's exactly my point.

981
01:13:30,790 --> 01:13:36,370
I mean, I think there's a component of this that I don't want to get lost in just the pure dollars and cents, which is.

982
01:13:36,750 --> 01:13:43,570
There's a cost to the city for not being able to fill these positions because people don't want to work in that firehouse.

983
01:13:44,010 --> 01:13:44,090
Right.

984
01:13:44,090 --> 01:13:49,690
And so I think that's, you know, as we start looking at these costs and you weren't worried about the capital.

985
01:13:50,570 --> 01:13:57,230
They hit to the capital agreement program. I mean that to me is, you know, what's the cost we have to rebuild the city from another fire?

986
01:14:01,890 --> 01:14:02,770
Yes, Council.

987
01:14:03,290 --> 01:14:08,930
I just want to make it clear that I am very supportive of this project, you know, I think.

988
01:14:10,310 --> 01:14:20,050
We've gotten a lot of use out of the existing fire station and we can be very thankful for that and it's

989
01:14:21,110 --> 01:14:34,930
I am glad that as chief you're bringing this to the table and it is a major endeavor and but I think it's the right thing for us to do to be addressing this.

990
01:14:34,930 --> 01:14:57,450
So, you know, from the health and safety of the people who work for the city, who I think are entitled to work to have safe working conditions, a safe as they can be, and it's a it is an occupation that comes with a certain amount of risk, but we owe it to them to do our part.

991
01:14:58,270 --> 01:14:59,830
And I think this is also.

992
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:29,760
Smart in terms of planning for the future, as Councillor Sykes was pointing out. And it's only going to become more important that our emergency operations are capable of handling what is coming our way in the future. It seems that climate change is only going to put more pressure on our resources. And so I think for all of these reasons. I just want to make it clear that I I support this.

993
01:15:29,760 --> 01:15:36,560
you know, I think we'll have more discussion, but I do think this is the right direction for us.

994
01:15:37,020 --> 01:15:41,000
There's a raised hand. That's Sarah Riley. Yes, Sarah Riley.

995
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:50,340
Thank you. Yes, Sarah Riley Ward 2. Thank you for this presentation chief Wheatley. I just

996
01:15:50,340 --> 01:15:55,940
am wondering if there's a graphic to show the four minute response time

997
01:15:58,960 --> 01:16:04,940
in map form for the temporary setup during construction.

998
01:16:07,280 --> 01:16:13,920
There actually is not one, but I can have that prepared reasonably quickly to provide that information.

999
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:20,100
Sure. Do you have the numbers, like offhand, like is it equivalent, you know, is it?

1000
01:16:21,100 --> 01:16:28,940
There would be a slight delay or reduction in response time or increase, I should say,

1001
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:29,740
in response time.

1002
01:16:30,260 --> 01:16:32,940
You know, we're moving a mile and a half down the road.

1003
01:16:33,400 --> 01:16:36,040
Fortunately, we have quick access to the highway.

1004
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:41,140
And it's a pretty quick access back into the town where the heart of most of our call volume is.

1005
01:16:41,580 --> 01:16:45,300
So we would see a slight increase in response times.

1006
01:16:45,940 --> 01:16:49,660
However, I think a lot of those response times would still be met within the

1007
01:16:49,660 --> 01:16:53,740
four-minute objective because many of the responses that we're responding to from

1008
01:16:53,740 --> 01:16:56,460
our current station were well under the four-minute time frame.

1009
01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:57,680
Thank you.

1010
01:16:59,420 --> 01:17:03,360
Is there anyone in the audience who has any questions as we begin to wrap up here?

1011
01:17:05,460 --> 01:17:06,720
Anyone else on line?

1012
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:09,340
Anyone else on line?

1013
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:11,540
Councillor Heist.

1014
01:17:12,580 --> 01:17:17,220
I wanted to thank the fire department and acknowledge the support that you've been to

1015
01:17:17,220 --> 01:17:20,320
the community in a wide variety of ways.

1016
01:17:21,000 --> 01:17:27,200
One of which was the Lebanon and Club had a racing program that I was coaching.

1017
01:17:27,940 --> 01:17:33,140
I had 47 kids racing back in the 80s and lo and behold we had no snow.

1018
01:17:34,280 --> 01:17:39,860
And we utilized the top floor for dry land training entire winter.

1019
01:17:40,460 --> 01:17:50,300
and it was the godsend for the kids to be able to actually get in shape and thank you very much for what you've done for the community in lots of ways.

1020
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:53,480
Anything we can, and that's what we want to do, it's what we're here for.

1021
01:17:55,340 --> 01:18:08,860
Councilor Sykes. Yeah, actually chief, I had Councilor Sykes. I have, as you make your plans to temporarily relocate, I assume that part of your...

1022
01:18:09,840 --> 01:18:15,880
planning will make sure that you can reduce environmental risks in terms of the many

1023
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:17,860
of the problems that you face at the station.

1024
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:22,380
I guess I need, I'm not sure what.

1025
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:23,500
They're going to be important.

1026
01:18:28,430 --> 01:18:34,670
The temporary structure for the vehicles is a completely self-standing separate building from

1027
01:18:34,670 --> 01:18:37,950
the living quarter units that we would have down there in the office units.

1028
01:18:37,950 --> 01:18:51,070
And for my final wrap up, I would like it to be very clear that I'm fully in support of this concept as well actually it's overdue.

1029
01:18:52,390 --> 01:19:06,970
The city has a lot of pressures that we're trying to deal with here as a city council but I tell people that we are punching way above our weight and we're going to continue to do that with.

1030
01:19:06,970 --> 01:19:10,450
If this project as well, I hope.

1031
01:19:13,290 --> 01:19:13,750
What else?

1032
01:19:14,990 --> 01:19:15,350
Okay.

1033
01:19:15,790 --> 01:19:18,010
Thank you very much for the presentation. Very, very helpful.

1034
01:19:18,510 --> 01:19:21,750
If you think of anything else that you want to know about before,

1035
01:19:21,910 --> 01:19:24,930
we've got some time here, obviously, December 18th.

1036
01:19:24,930 --> 01:19:26,510
Just get it to us and we'll get the information.

1037
01:19:27,290 --> 01:19:29,950
We will put together just a chart just to show what that looks like,

1038
01:19:30,130 --> 01:19:31,950
the chart that Sarah was talking about.

1039
01:19:32,470 --> 01:19:35,310
Just to show what the change is to show you folks know that.

1040
01:19:36,150 --> 01:19:39,190
And then, again, anything else you can think of, just get a hold of us and we'll be glad

1041
01:19:39,190 --> 01:19:41,190
to provide it to you so you can help me make your decision.

1042
01:19:41,370 --> 01:19:44,370
Please stop in the station if you wanted to or of a CM person.

1043
01:19:44,810 --> 01:19:45,510
The order I was open.

1044
01:19:46,730 --> 01:19:49,650
And we had the holiday debut here of the Chiefs.

1045
01:19:49,670 --> 01:19:50,910
So there's a video on our website.

1046
01:19:50,910 --> 01:19:53,350
If you have not seen it yet, if you take a look at that.

1047
01:19:54,170 --> 01:19:56,610
And he will sign autographs later on, if you would like those.

1048
01:19:56,890 --> 01:19:57,290
30 seconds.

1049
01:19:58,050 --> 01:20:00,410
We have to raise almost 23 million dollars.

1050
01:20:00,510 --> 01:20:02,090
So there is a cost to those autographs.

1051
01:20:02,530 --> 01:20:05,530
As we talk about funding sources, that's one of those that we might do.

1052
01:20:05,810 --> 01:20:09,290
So that is available for folks, and obviously that was intended for the public to better

1053
01:20:09,290 --> 01:20:12,390
understand the situation that we have, but certainly for you as well.

1054
01:20:12,990 --> 01:20:13,930
And thank you for your time.

1055
01:20:14,330 --> 01:20:14,910
Thank you very much.

1056
01:20:15,250 --> 01:20:15,510
Thank you.