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Learn more at downtownLS.org. If you see a pot hole reported on L.S. Connect, it's a quick and easy way for residents to report common non-emergency concerns, such as pot holes and streetlights, simply snap the photo, mark the location and submit the report.

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The L.S. Connect app is free to download on any Apple or Android device. L.S. Connect is also available online at CityVLS.net.

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Thanks for listening and have a great week.

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Every time you turn on a tap, high quality water is ready, but where does it come from?

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In lease summit, water flows from two trusted sources, the Missouri River, and its surrounding aquifer.

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This water is collected and treated in the cities of independence and Kansas City.

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In independence, the Courtney Bend Water Treatment Plant operates 42 water wells.

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These wells reach 85 to 125 feet underground, drawing water up from the Missouri River aquifer.

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and underground water source that naturally filters water through layers of soil and rock.

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The facility filters, cleans, and softens the water before pumping up to 7.5 million gallons a day to lease summit.

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In Kansas City, the KC Water Treatment Plant draws water from the aquifer and the surface of the Missouri River.

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It then filters, cleans, and softens the water before pumping up to 25 million gallons per day to lease summit.

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In least summer, water utilities controls the flow of these sources into the local system, advanced software monitors the entire system, including three pumping stations, and eight water storage tanks, which maintain the water's pressure as it moves through 639 miles of water mains, carrying it to your home and the homes of more than 100,000 citizens.

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Water Utilities staff collects samples from throughout the system and send them for extensive laboratory testing,

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ensuring your water is safe, meeting, or exceeding state and federal standards.

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When you turn on a tap, you're accessing a vast system spanning hundreds of miles,

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each foot carefully planned and strategically maintained, a system that leverages innovation to harness nature,

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Turning a vital life source into an ordinary convenience, bringing you safe, reliable, high-quality

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water, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year. To learn more about lease summit water, visit

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lswater.net.

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What's coming to lease summit? The development minute is here to help.

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Costco is being built at the southeast corner of 50 and 291. Costco is a membership-based warehouse

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retailer offering bulk goods, groceries, services, and discounted products.

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Costco marks phase one of the East Village Development and is projected to open in late August.

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Seven brewery drive through coffee is coming to the corner of 291 in southeast fifth street.

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Seven brewery was a drive through beverage destination serving coffee,

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teas, energy drinks, and smoothies. Seven brewery was in final development plan and building permit review.

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And a mixed use development is in the early stages of construction at 150 and 291. Ovation is a master plan community, featuring housing, commercial development and neighborhood amenities. Phase 1 of Ovation is targeted for completion this fall.

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Five-four draft houses under construction and the new old and village development. The next generation of 54 Street, five-four offers updated spaces, drafts, and dining. Five-four is slated to open this fall.

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All

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of the city's storm system end up either in a creek or a lake.

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We have five or six lakes in the city.

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We have numerous creeks in the city.

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All of that is open conveyance, which means there is no treatment.

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If it goes into the curb inlet, it will end up in a creek or a stream or a lake with zero

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treatment.

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Things that people don't know, they should not put down the storm sewer system.

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grass clippings. We cannot be blowing grass clippings off of your lawn into the street from the street

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into the storm in life. Your waist leaves, trash, washing your car. If you have a commercial vehicle,

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the city by code requires that you wash your commercial vehicle at a commercial car wash.

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If you're washing your car in your driveway, your personal vehicle, you can wash your car in your driveway

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by code. Keep in mind though that all of the soaps, the detergents, everything you use,

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the waxes on your car, will discharge down into the storm sewer so we would recommend

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that you use an actual car wash to just get all of that captured properly and it will

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be then be discharged and managed properly as opposed to potentially impacting the streams

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that are nearby. Or the July comes along, people should off their fireworks, they leave

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at the edge of their driveway, which is a good place temporarily. Let's

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cool down. But at the end of that, they do not belong in the street to get

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washed down the street, swept down the street into the storm system. If you

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don't want to swim in a lake full of trash, we don't recommend you discard

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your trash that way.

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The city of Lee Summit has hundreds of traffic lights across

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it's more than 1,000 lane miles, all managed by the city's public works traffic

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technicians.

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The work happens inside those metal boxes on the side of each intersection.

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Inside, technicians program a device called the controller.

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The controller communicates directly with each signal head via underground wires, telling

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each light when it turns on and off, based on a program cycle.

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City traffic engineers design this cycle to allow traffic to flow as efficiently as possible

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for that particular intersection.

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In order to best match current traffic patterns, they install something called a detection

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system.

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Detection systems have taken many forms over the years from sensors in the pavement to radar boxes,

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but in least some it, they primarily consist of cameras, which workers mount above the traffic signals.

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These cameras don't record video or your speed. Instead, they monitor the spaces at the front of the intersection

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and identify when a vehicle's present in a specific spot. Once a vehicle is identified,

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the detection system sends a message to the controller, which then adapts its standard cycle to best serve the cars

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that a present. The pedestrian button works in a similar way. When the button is pressed,

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the controller receives a signal, requesting that it allow that section of the pedestrian

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walkway to go. Which then inserts into the signal pattern. Technicians also install something

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called a conflict monitor. The conflict monitor is a device in which they program all the potential

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patterns of lights that would lead to a collision. If the other systems mistakenly trigger

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those patterns, the conflict monitor sends the intersection into flash, causing all lights

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flash, red, and directing drivers to treat it like an always-stop.

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City traffic technicians implement and maintain these systems so effectively, we rarely consider

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But every time we safely pass through a signal-controlled intersection, it's all thanks to

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their work.

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So the next time you're waiting on a red light, remember the delicate coordination of super

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smart systems that move you through that space safely and efficiently every day.

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out of night 14 on the road.

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Everyone please stand for the invocation and remain standing for the pledge of allegiance.

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Let's take a moment to reflect on the work before us tonight. May we approach our decisions with open

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minds, engage in respectful dialogue and work together for the betterment of our city. May all

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of our decisions be guided by what is best for all of our residents in a spirit of community.

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Welcome, everyone. I'd like to call to order the City Council regular session number 8.

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Could I please have roll call?

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Council Member Frazier, President, Council Member Raider, Council Member Cravens,

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Council Member Funk, Council Member Carlisle, Council Member Prior, Council Member

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Mayer-Protem Shields.

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Mayor Lopez.

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Just for information purposes.

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We have two Council people not here tonight.

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And we have one that is with the virtually.

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So if you hear her voice, she will be casting her vote verbally.

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So thank you.

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All right.

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So we move on with the agenda.

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We need to approve the agenda.

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We have a motion made by Mayor Pretem Shields.

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the second by Council Member Cravens. Any discussion? If not, please cast your vote

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and a computer

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stuck.

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What does this mean?

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Wait till she.

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Is the vote cast up?

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It's not up.

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We can be verbal until you get it going. Is that all right?

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Reboot.

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Okay, is it up now? Is there a motion showing?

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Yes. Well, the motion showing, but not. There you go.

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agenda is approved, 7-0, please record that vote.

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Thank you.

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It takes us to the consent agenda.

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We have a motion by Mayor pretend sheels in a second by Councilmember Carlisle.

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Any discussion?

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If not, please cast your vote.

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One, there we go.

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consent agenda is approved, 7-0.

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Please record that.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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It takes us to Council Roundtable.

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Anything you want to bring up in this past week?

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Yes, Mayor pretend shields down town Main Street will be having their sidewalk sell 26

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weekends. So Saturday from 10 to 5. Great, thank you. Can't remember fun.

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Thank you, Mayor. Today, I attended the ribbon cutting to the new store, bricks, and

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many figs, which is a logo store, Lego store, and they have all kinds of extra parts and

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pieces for Legos, as well as new Legos and things like that. So all of us adults who stepped

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on our kids' Lego pieces and through them somewhere we could never find, they have all the added

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pieces for them over there.

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Thank you.

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Very good.

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Thank you.

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Appreciate you.

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All right.

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So that takes us to a proclamation.

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And we have a really cool proclamation tonight.

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You all want to meet me at front.

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Everyone with blue spring.

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This proclamation recognizes the blue spring south high school varsity baseball team for their hard work, strong team work, and successful 2026 season. The team earned a 28 and 10 record advanced to the playoffs, and won their second consecutive Missouri class six state championship on June 6, 2026.

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So, now I

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get a few applause this tonight. So, now I bet the low peasant, virtue of the authority vested in me is mayor for the city of the summer Missouri.

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Do here by present this proclamation to the Blue Spring South Jaguars baseball team in honor of their triumphant win as a

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2026 Missouri State Champions Class 6 Division and congratulate each team member the coaches and the parents of the Jaguar baseball team on their well-earned and outstanding victory.

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All right. One more clap. Come on.

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Before I have coach introduce himself.

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I have to give a little personal tidbit three Jaguars a graduated in my house, and so

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last time we stood up here celebrating Jaguars victory with my daughter.

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So, on the softball team, and they won their second back-to-back title, so, so, congratulations.

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I know that's a lot of hard work, I know the coaches, you all put a lot of time into this as well,

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and you guys deserve it.

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I know in the off-season, it's not just shown up to practice, it's y'all work on your own,

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hitting defense, I code scroll softball, but I played baseball as well and it's not easy to do it two years in a row. It was pretty impressive.

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Very proud of that.

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So let's go ahead and introduce each other.

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I'm Clint Longwell, assistant coach.

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Sean Kellyanne, assistant coach.

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Been bare on the head coach.

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I would like to say one thing about COVID, this group of guys.

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These group of young men, they showed up every day to work.

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They play for each other.

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It's something in our society more that you don't really see a whole lot of it more and more

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it's about the individual.

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These guys showed every day and they worked for each other and it's a great group of guys.

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Jamie Phillips Parker Ward, Lucas Annlon, our chief butram, Zaden Ham, Wyatt Taylor,

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D.A.J. Robertson, Griffin Robertson,

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Mile and Bristo,

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Bennett Collins,

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Cooper Callahan,

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Blake Morgan.

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Thanks, guys.

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How many of you live in the summit?

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There you go.

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That's why they're here.

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They're at least some of the residents.

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So, we're just congratulating you again

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and how about let's take a photo.

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What do you think?

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It's good,

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bunch up,

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guys.

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sorry, could we stop then just a bit more

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trying to get everybody's heads?

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Thank you.

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You all are welcome to stay for the whole meeting.

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Now they are in it.

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You know, Councilmember Funksons went to police

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makes that to you, right?

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So that's kind of cool.

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All right, so we're going to proceed with the agenda.

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That takes us to the public comments part of the agenda.

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And we have a number of people that want to speak.

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And it would just go in the order that I got the packet.

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So we have Thomas PAR.

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Yes, right there sir.

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You are from the New Mary neighborhood.

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Your address please.

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You can see your address as well.

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Your address as well.

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1613 southeast Dalton Drive.

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Wait.

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Great, thank you.

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Speaking of baseball,

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you guys are great,

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but there's a practice baseball field

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by the New Middle School behind our neighborhood.

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There are 20 years.

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The baseball field has been there for the last three, I think.

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I haven't seen anybody use it yet, I'm getting there getting here.

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I'm going to raise the mic up a little.

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I haven't seen anybody use it yet, but

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I've been told that I was quiet.

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Thank you.

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Three nice neighborhoods around there, no kids out playing baseball,

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on that practice field.

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I was just curious as to what it would take to open that up

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to give some of the kids and at least some of the place to go play.

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Like with the new developments that are coming around, maybe we could put a tennis quarter of

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baseball field in there where the kids could go play, have something to do besides take

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care of the problem and down town lease.

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I'm at where they seem to go on these rampages, which brings me to my second point, used

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to live in Redland, California right across the highway, interstate 10 from San Bernardino,

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the highest for elite population in the state of California was in San Bernardino.

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We had lots of outdoor fares, downtown activities, a lot of cool things going on.

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One thing we did have was about 10 Belgian malwares on the police force out there.

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Kept, they did some interesting things, brought the news cameras out about twice a year to

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show what they were capable of and whenever we had a big gathering in town, we pulled

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with them, and son of a gun. We didn't have that much problem with people running rampant.

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I'm really disappointed that we collapsed after the downtown day's incident, which brings

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me to, I would like to know if we can find out what I understand seven juveniles have been

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charged. I'd like to know how that's progressing. I'd also like to know about the shooting over

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at the fitness center that they built next to our neighborhood in Newbury that convicted

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felon that showed up to play basketball with a pistol in his pocket. I'm kind of

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curious I haven't heard much about that, but other than my neighbors, all of us talking

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about, you know, what's going on at Lee Summit, that's what we hear about. And that's really

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we're going to pay for all of the expansion for all of the apartment buildings because if they're

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going to hire their own private security and fire department and water service, that's fine,

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if they're not and they need to bear their fair share. That's all I got to say. Thank you, Sarah.

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Appreciate that. We'll go with Mr. Alshowish.

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You know, Mr. Par as a great

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comment he made there because I thought about that a lot myself so I coach you athletes

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and I called the city not too long ago and I said hey I want to do some sprint training

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with some kids. Is there a field that you guys have that isn't under lock and key where we can

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just go sprint or maybe on Thanksgiving schools that we can play soccer or Tulsa football around

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and they said no they referred me to private organizations so a city is big it's 110,000 people

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We've got no place where kids can just go out and run on a flat field, where they're not going to roll their ankles, and that's something that needs to be addressed.

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But that's not what I'm here to talk about today.

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I want to talk about the court audit of this on the agenda tonight.

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So back in November, our judges came before the last council and described a problem.

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They said, we have the same court structure as we did in 1980s when our population was 33,000.

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It only offers two days per week.

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And now, you know, our population is not 32,000, so 110,000, but we still have that same

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two-day per week.

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They wanted to move it up to four days a week, which would match neighboring municipalities,

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probably be a little less than some of our neighboring municipalities.

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And they said, in order to do that, you know, we just need a pay bump, right?

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We can't work four days a week for 38,000 a year, we'll start, which, you know, I think

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that's perfectly sensible, perfectly logical thing to do.

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You guys said, no, no, we're not going to pay you.

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Instead, we're going to pay a third party to do a study.

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And the study took around eight months.

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And we're back here now. And so we basically kicked the can down the road, and we've arrived

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to the day where we have as a presentation, but I guess there's nothing you can vote on tonight.

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Maybe you'll call the vote on something to increase these court days for week. But you know,

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they shared the data. You know, the day they're asking for is not outrageous. The court days for

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week are needed. You know, we have folks that are waiting a long time for courts, and they're just

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not being processed efficiently, and it's probably very frustrating to them. So, but I find really

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interesting about this is it's kind of a microcosm of what's happening in the entire city, right?

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We want growth and we've pushed her growth aggressively with all these big subsidies and we give

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so much a way that we can't pay for the infrastructure to support it, right?

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We can't pay for stormwater, you got to come to us again for stormwater, we can't pay for the

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courts, you know, the 70,000 year they're asking for us too much.

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We have to have the same court system as when we had 80,000 less people.

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And so, you know, this is what we're seeing everywhere.

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we're seeing with public services. We can't mow this year. We're going to mow half as much this year.

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And so I think you guys really have to think about this. We know growth can be a good thing.

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We know that financially, it could be a benefit. But when you stack 40 of these on top of each

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other in a few years with over a billion dollars, all that money does go into the developer,

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lining their pockets should be paying for these public services. It should be a no-brainer

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to expand court operations to be on par with cities that are also 110,000 people.

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It should be no problem to pay for the storm water, which by the way, how do you think we have this storm water problem?

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You think maybe when we remove trees and grass and replace them with concrete, the water has nowhere to go

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And so you guys have to figure out what you're going to do to keep up with the infrastructure and services because it's not working. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Ms. Carol Lewis.

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Thank you.

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Just saw a post office book this afternoon about the hotel.

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It's supposed to go in here sometimes soon.

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So I should have a couple questions.

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Is a view of red wax, the dream of a client

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and a posh hotel,

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is a Wednesday or Saturday

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and morning view of trucks emptying out

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of crates of produce for sale, the dream of a posh hotel,

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If not, why are we putting that hotel there?

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Had downtown days not been canceled, would the clients of this posh hotel

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looked forward to the sounds of carnival barkers and carnival rides on several nights during their stay?

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And as I looked at the rendering of the hotel this afternoon,

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And I was really flabbergasted.

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That's the best word that I can use to describe my feelings, that a nice hotel would

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be crammed in just such a space.

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The farmers market area is very pretty, although it seems somewhat pricey.

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So why?

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Why would we want to cram this nice hotel into that space, taking up most of the green space,

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or maybe the two buildings that are there?

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But I just don't understand at all. Where are people going to park?

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It just seems ill advised, my opinion. Thanks.

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Thank you.

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Shit, Floyd.

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Hello.

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I don't know any of you personally at all.

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Except for maybe send a little because we can't paint together.

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But I've heard some things about some of you,

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but I don't know that that's true until I see it or hear it for myself.

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The things that you say and the things that you do in form my judgment about you as a mayor and a council.

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You earn your reputation with me. Recently, I asked a council this question, quote,

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Do you believe that accepting a $500 campaign donation constitutes a conflict of interest

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when that same applicant comes to you asking for a vote?

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The answer I got paraphrased is, this land was purchased 40 years ago.

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They spent the last seven years making plans for our city.

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There's going to be parks and trails and commercial and single family and missing middle

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and oh my, there's going to be lots of jobs and revenue and salaries.

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We hope this developed for build sewers.

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We used economic tools to get this past and buy gum that was a unanimous vote by the council.

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So what's your problem?

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Thank you for your interest.

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You just sent me 169 words of a non-answer.

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You dodged the question.

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I have my answer now, okay? I understand the dodge. The dodge is disappointing. The dodge is not corrupt. The dodge is disappointing. And by the way, the citizens united decision has nothing at all to do with individual donations in local elections.

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It's behavior like this that informs my judgment of you as a council.

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Whatever place you occupy on the continuum of saint or villain is yours to earn with me.

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Every comment, every opinion, every vote you cast shows me little by little who you are or who you are going to be as a public official.

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I don't have to rely on somebody else to tell me what to think.

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About 17,000 people voted in the last election, I am just one little bit evoter.

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You are accountable to us to me.

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The lack of any real accountability, not accountability, printed on a fire or a sign, not accountability spoken into a microphone.

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But the lack of real accountability continues to be a problem here.

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Be accountable.

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The re-enation of transparency was bad enough and was not a good start.

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Let's get that back.

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I criticize the Council for that what I believe would be conflict of interest vote.

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I criticize hard, but we still have dialogue myself in that Council.

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You can have dissent and criticism and dialogue.

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I intend to maintain dialogue with all of you.

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That's it.

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Thank you.

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Mr. Ease of Volunteer.

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Theresa Volonwider 52-01, North East Maybrook Road.

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I'm going to start off by asking about this Breedon

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Platt again with the people in the district of North East

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Tudor Road, which I think is where this was.

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1615 Northeast Tudor Road.

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Would you all check on this and find out?

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Is there now a platt?

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Or was this all for no reason at all?

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November 4, 2022, when I walked down from my barn, I noticed this work being done.

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It started at about nine, so I figured the guys probably started earlier than that, maybe eight, or even as early as seven.

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It appeared to be that they were working on a water line.

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Here, they're setting up lights, so they're going to work late.

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This was the city of Lee Summit, water utilities.

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This was not a private contractor.

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This was the city.

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This was taxpayer dollars at work.

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And it didn't stop on November 4th.

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It continued to November 15th.

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And then I think even after that.

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I did ask a fellow on November 15th.

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Did you all move those two things into that other deal over there?

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And he said, well, we moved one of them.

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He said the water meter went over there.

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And we got rid of the air release, the blow-off valve.

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So I guess what I want to ask or yes,

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what I want to ask is would some of you ask for a work order

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and see what that was all about.

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Was it for public or was it for private?

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How was our money being used?

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Because as you know, we have a 1% increase

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in sales tax coming up for stormwater.

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And so the people would like to know

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how their money's being spent.

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Thank you.

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We have Mr. Daniel Harden.

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Thank you. Daniel Harden, 35, 14 southwest, wind song drive. I am here about the public hearings

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and how long they go on for. I've watched on YouTube quite a bit, and I was here last week to

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see how long that went on for. We were all here and tell about 11 o'clock at night. Right here

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on your procedure's page and website.

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It says applicants are allowed 15 minutes to show their proposal

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for applicants for rezoning special use permits

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and development plans and things like that.

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And individuals are given three minutes,

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which you could see a counter over there

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for everybody, all the individuals anyway.

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But everybody else that comes up here

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to do their presentations.

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There is no timer going on.

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And then after all the individuals,

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get their three minutes,

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the presentations,

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they get five more minutes, or they're supposed

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to be allowed five more minutes, but those keep going on.

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And that's why we were here for so long.

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Last week, and on the YouTube videos that I watch,

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I've never seen anything get cut off at the 15 minute mark.

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And I really don't have anything else to say at this point.

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I just give somebody else my extra minute and a half here.

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All right.

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Thank you.

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All right.

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We're going to proceed.

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A few more comments.

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Vanessa Maxwell Lopez.

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Good evening.

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My name is Vanessa Maxwell Lopez.

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I'm 10 Northeast Tutor.

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I'm one of the least summit municipal court judges.

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I've worked in the least summit municipal court for over 19 years.

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So I have lots of institutional knowledge of the city of least summit municipal court.

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It's functions.

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It's described though the last 19 years, how other courts function and how similar cities

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structure the municipal courts.

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The lease on municipal court judge position is a part-time position.

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I also work in the City of Kansas City Municipal Court as a pro-tim judge and I have contracts

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and two other municipal cities to provide legal work for their municipal courts.

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Lease on its current structure of two court dates a week is woefully inadequate.

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We've had two court dates for weeks since 1981.

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We've had no organizational changes to the court for over 45 years since we only had

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about 33,000 citizens, now we're at a 108,000, over 108.

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Since 1981, the number of tickets being written has skyrocketed.

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People are waiting over three hours to be seen.

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We do not have enough staff to handle the case load.

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We don't have enough probation officers to handle the case load.

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Officers and employees are working countless over time hours to keep up.

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As judges, we're having to rush through documents.

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We often can't get to schedule trials due to the number of

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defense waiting to be seen.

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Our courtroom often fills up to the point

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where we have to have defendants waiting in the lobby and tell space clear.

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Our parking lots are also full.

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For the last two plus years, we have asked for help.

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We have talked to the City multiple times.

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We have appeared twice in front of the Budget and Finance Committee.

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We have then on November 4th, we made a presentation to you all, showing you our numbers and

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asking for you to give us additional court dates so we can better serve the people of Lee

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Summit.

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All of you, but one, Miss Craven's, were present when the City Council was, when we

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the City Council on November 4th. Some of you were present as City Council people in some of

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you were in the audience. A couple of you were not convinced by our presentation and you stated

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that you wanted to see an independent audit confirmed the numbers and the information that we

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had presented to you. This city hired an outside auditor there her tonight and they're going

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to present their findings to you. This audit, which is labeled an operational overview, confirmed

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And as accurate everything we stated to you on the number 4.

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The audit shows the court needs to be restructured.

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The audit shows we need more court dates and more staff.

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The audit shows least some is behind all of the cities, our size and smaller.

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The audit shows for the number of ticketing written we need 16 clerks.

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We have six.

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The audit shows for the number of ticketing written we need 5.4 court dates per week.

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We have two.

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For the number of people we are putting a probation, the audit showed our probation officers

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need help and additional staff members.

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The audit confirmed that the numbers we presented to you on November 4 were accurate.

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Our court is surrounding and we need to figure this out now. We can't wait another two years

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because we are under water now. The city likes to plan ahead for the public safety needs

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of our community by building new fire stations, hiring more police and firemen, and making

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sure they have the tools to protect us all. Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Mr. Mayor, council members, Mr. Dining. My name is William Marshall. I live here. I reside here in

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Lee Summit and prior to working for the court. I spent over 27 years working in corrections,

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13 of which I was a supervisor and chief administrative officer for a state probation and

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parole office. What I have observed in my brief tenure working, Lee Summit, is that the criminal

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justice system is administered primarily at the municipal level and quality of life and property

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defenses, such as domestic violence, DWI, stealing and shoplifting, assault and trespassing,

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resisting arrest, drug offenses, driving well revoked and no insurance are all, are

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buying large adjudicated through the city court.

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At the court, we want the roles we've played to be impactful and to serve as a positive change

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in the individuals we work with, so that there are fewer victims created by the same offenders.

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We also want to simultaneously serve as a deterrent in the community in an effort to redirect

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the behavior of potential future offenders. Currently we operate under constant pressure,

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60 percent of the work we consist of court duty, and a weekly client report day, and with

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no support staff, we are responsible for all the data entry and maintaining all the legal

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records involving the probation cases. There is little time left in the work week to

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meaningfully supervise clients or return calls or emails. Our case loads are regulatory between

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6,700, and far exceeding even the most liberal interpretation of the workload standards

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that are recognized by the American Probation Improhly Association, or the Officer

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to Client Guidelines utilized by the State Division of Probation Improhly.

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The municipal court operational review being presented this evening should clearly demonstrate

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the need for additional resources.

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The current workload placed on our part-time judges in very small number of court and probation

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staff is unsustainable and is becoming increasingly difficult to effectively address our clients

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needs and to swiftly intervene and provide the deterrent role or administer sanctions

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that are the cornerstone of impactful community supervision. Based on the population growth,

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the volume of daily travelers to the city and the increases in staffing to other departments

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that impact our workload. Additional court resources is a positive investment in public safety

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for our city. It is my hope that you will find the court operational review presentation and

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other speakers that are here this evening helpful in your decision making. Thank you for your

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time and attention.

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Thank you, sir.

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Mr. Brett Morris.

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Mayor and Council members, thank you for allowing me to speak

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tonight. My name is Brett Morris, I'm one of three probation officers for the city. I've

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had the opportunity to serve the city, the city is in the summer for 11 years and as a

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probation officer for the last three. As a probation officer serving this community, I'm proud

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work our team does every single day. We help people rebuild their lives. We hold the

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finish accountable and contribute to the safety and well-being of the summit. I

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care deeply about this job and about the people we supervise.

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Brief description of my duties as a probation officer, including meeting with

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probation professionals on a weekly basis, signed up new clients for

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probation, checking to ensure that offenders are complying with their court

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assigned programs, writing probation violations, setting court dates, updating and

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maintaining important court paperwork, such as warrants and

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and preparing for court. Most days I'm in the office by 7 a.m. though my shift doesn't start until 8.

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I work through lunch in my days at 5 p.m. on court dates, 2 days and Thursdays,

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I normally stay until 7 p.m. or later due to the size of the court packet.

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It's not uncommon that most weeks I work 50 plus hours, not because I want to,

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but because I have to in order to maintain my caseload.

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I have missed our bid light to many family functions, including my child's football practices,

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student award ceremonies, sometimes I've even worked from home in order to try to maintain my case load.

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To better understand my case load, I have about 600 clients under supervision.

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I signed up on average 25 to 40 new clients every week.

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At any given time there is 20 to 30 new probation sitting on my desk to enter into the court database.

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With the rising case load is becoming increasingly difficult to ensure the completion of other important tasks such as

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field report letters, following up on probation completions, writing, and probation violations

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and coordinating with mental health and substance use treatment professionals.

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Combined our case loads are approaching 1,800 clients.

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My colleagues and I are constantly brainstorming how to become more efficient at our job

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and how to better serve our clients.

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But the reality is we do not hire more probation officers, we won't be able to provide

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the best service that's expected for most, and that we hold ourselves accountable too.

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I remain optimistic that with additional resources and adjustments to our case, those are dedicated team with some help from you can deliver the quality of supervision, at least some expects and...

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I'm confident that by working together we can strengthen our probation services and make our community even safer. Thank you for your time. Thank you.

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Linda Marshall.

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Good evening. My name is Linda Marshall. I live at 2431 Northwest Valley View Drive. And I am here to talk about my clients. I'm the public, I'm functioning as a public defender for least some of it.

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And my clients are many times, I have approximately 200 clients.

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And about a third of those clients are immunocompromised,

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or they are disabled in some way.

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They come in in wheelchairs, they come in in walkers,

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they come in in chains, and they come into a crowded courtroom

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with people standing along the walls.

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And there was no place for them to sit.

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And they often wait for two to three hours to be seen by the court as not the fault of the judges, the judges furiously work through their case load.

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As best they can, they often work through lunch as do many of the court staff.

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And we're at a pace where it's unsustainable.

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The working through lunch, the same to late, is affecting everyone.

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And it's getting to the point where it's just simply unsustainable.

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I was a prosecutor with Jackson County for seven years.

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I was a special prosecutor for the Attorney General's Office for three years.

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So I traveled all over the state trying cases.

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I have never seen such crowded courtroom before in my life.

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I practice law for 25 years.

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I've been to all the courtrooms,

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Kansas City, to Independence, nothing compares to our courtrooms.

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Our courtrooms are jam packed all of the time.

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And it's time to do something about it.

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I'm imploring you on behalf of my clients.

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I often times I have an immunocompromised client that comes in,

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you know, for one court date, but can't make it to the next one,

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because they're either in the hospital or they're sick.

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So, on behalf of my clients, I implore you to do something about this.

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Thank you.

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Thank you.

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Do you have the data out here?

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My name is Dana Altairi.

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My address is 10 northeast to root in lease summit.

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Over the last two years, we have brought it to the Rothese issues up at least 52 times

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to the city between Judge Lopez and I.

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The city includes the city council law department and the city manager's office and nothing

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has changed.

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We spent months on the research for our November 4th presentation.

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Not only did we feel unheard.

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00:53:26,510 --> 00:53:32,530
We thought outright this respected by two of the members of this council, and that was lost on me,

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considering we have a combined years of experience of over 60 years between the two of us.

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And just in Lisa McCourt, I've sat on the bench for 17 years and Judge Lopez has worked at the court in different capacities for 19.

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On December 15th, the same audit that you have was given to the city, which confirmed exactly what we told you the month before.

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And page one of their reports says, and I quote, current staffing levels have not kept up, kept pace with cities gross, growth, analysis indicates an immediate need for additional judicial capacity and increased personnel.

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Now, after hearing our presentation in November, in the city receiving that draft in December, I would think that wording would put someone on high alert and things would get moving.

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That reports the same one that you were given again in February.

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00:54:25,850 --> 00:54:29,810
Now I don't know what your definition of immediate is, but we've been begging for two years

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in the citizens paid $80 or $90,000 that audit and nothing's been done to it.

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Now with presented to the judges just fine in a Zoom call.

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I have no idea why we had to delay this thing for months and pay these people in addition

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to that 80 or 90 to pay for their hotel and their airfare and probably their food.

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I don't know to bring them in here for it to wait several months.

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Now what has gone on in the meantime is animal control set on the floor last time

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so we didn't have enough seats. Judge Lopez had to-

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Call me at home, so I could run up and help her with her docket. So I sat in the bailiff seat, and we called

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cases in tandem, like a couple of tag team wrestlers, because that's, look, Lee Summit is

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giving people weight like everyone has said three hours. The line zigzag starts at security,

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and then it goes down to the police department. It goes down to the men's restroom. It cuts

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over the front of the building to the women's restroom, where then it hooks outside. So you'll stand in

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00:55:25,220 --> 00:55:27,920
before you get inside the way you're two to three hours.

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We break the fire code on a constant basis.

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I mentioned that in November, I believe.

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The citizens are turning on us, and I don't blame them,

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because I think we were in charge too,

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because they elected us to run the judiciary.

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But nobody's helping us on these issues,

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but something the city has done recently,

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is approved $389,000 for a welcome

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to the lease summit monument to go over there.

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Now, we hear about fire and police constantly.

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They're great, but what they do rolls downhill to us

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And we have absolutely no resources.

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So something needs to be done.

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I don't know if you got to ring a bell or what needs to happen

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because I can't seem to effectuate any change.

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But I hope someone up there will step up

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and give us the change that we need.

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Thanks.

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That's a tricky thing.

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Good evening.

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00:56:21,760 --> 00:56:22,880
I'm Judge Shreysie-Fan.

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I'm actually the municipal judge in the savory town

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where I've served there for 26 years.

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I've practiced law for 36 years.

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I fill in, at least, someone as the conflict judge

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when needed as part of ten judge. I also represent clients in the summer court, usually

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one or two times a week, I'm there every week. I went to court last week with a client

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00:56:46,380 --> 00:56:53,940
and he ended up waiting like two hours to be seen. He was not a happy camper. So these situations,

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00:56:54,120 --> 00:57:02,720
the judges are telling you about, this is reality, this is what's happening every week in the

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six that have been thrown out is that the Lisa McCourt has six clerks. I am the judge in

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Ray time. We have a population 28,000. We have three clerks. Clearly you can see the numbers

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don't add up. You need way more clerks than staffing if you're going to continue with this

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numbers with the population. Your population is continuing to grow. You're building a

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partnership, building a subdivision, and theory you're going to get more tickets and more

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00:57:27,300 --> 00:57:31,920
citations for the people that are moving in and out of the area. So therefore, the dockets

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00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:37,780
will continue to grow and because of that, that added documents need to occur.

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00:57:38,840 --> 00:57:43,700
I understand that, you know, there's a, there's some talk going on about, you know,

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00:57:43,840 --> 00:57:46,880
well, you know, you can't raise the judges salary during election term.

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00:57:47,100 --> 00:57:48,860
Well, that is true, you cannot raise the salary.

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However, the state statute does allow you to provide payment for additional duties.

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00:57:54,740 --> 00:57:56,840
And that's what these judges are asking for.

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00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:00,240
I've had to ask for it in Ray Town. I was lucky. I was fortunate.

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My council granted them immediately when I had to add dockets for my additional duties, and I would

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implore you to do the same for these ladies.

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And if you all don't believe that this is what's going on, you need to show up on these

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court days.

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00:58:12,280 --> 00:58:15,920
You need to try to park in the parking lot where you can't even find a parking spot.

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00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:17,560
People are parking illegally.

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00:58:18,100 --> 00:58:22,000
Cars are getting hurt, you know, damage because of the way people are parking all crazy

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00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:23,460
because there's not enough parking spots.

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00:58:23,960 --> 00:58:29,820
And if you go in there and you have to wait in that security line as Judge Altieri stated,

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00:58:29,820 --> 00:58:37,240
is going out the door. I took pictures of it when I was there one day. It's not acceptable by any search the imagination.

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00:58:37,980 --> 00:58:42,680
Your litigants should not be having to weigh three hours plus to see the judge.

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It's absolutely not acceptable.

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Thank you.

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00:58:45,620 --> 00:58:46,360
Thank you.

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00:58:51,140 --> 00:58:58,740
That ends the public comments part of the agenda and takes us to agenda item number six, which is the actual presentations that we have for tonight.

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The first one is the Municipal Court Operations Review and for this one I will re-cuse myself and Mayor pretend we can be in the meeting.

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So thank you.

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00:59:09,060 --> 00:59:09,640
Thank you, Mayor.

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So that takes us to item 6A-2026-7642 presentation regarding the Municipal Court Operational Review.

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I believe Mr. Dunning will be presenting that in conjunction with the consultant who prepared their report.

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I do just want to say, first of all, thank you to the people who came to speak during public comment.

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We all take this really seriously and I appreciate the work that you do for the city

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and taking time out of your evening to be here.

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And I understand that you're, excuse me, the judges and the municipal court staff are on hand

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as subject matter experts, answering questions from council as we go through

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this presentation so I appreciate them all taking time out of their evening.

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I also want to say that I appreciate the work of the municipal court judges, the city staff and the consultants preparing this audit and the operational review.

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I know I really do believe that we all want to see the court succeed, and that this will help give us some tools to make that happen.

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Understanding that the judges are independent elected officials, that they have their judicial independence, and so I hope tonight that we'll kind of get an idea of how we as the city can support them in running their courts independently since there are things that we can do in terms of providing resources.

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And then there are things that the judges have kind of discretion over.

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So I hope this audit will help us to understand that and kind of have a path forward

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01:00:36,100 --> 01:00:41,000
on some additional resources we can provide and some ways to help that court function

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01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:41,280
better.

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So with that, I will turn to over to Mr. Dunning.

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01:00:44,340 --> 01:00:44,900
Thank you, Mayor.

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01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:45,600
Prutam Shields.

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01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:46,020
Mark Dunning.

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01:00:46,140 --> 01:00:46,660
City Manager.

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01:00:47,520 --> 01:00:53,520
So here to present the municipal court operational review, I'll just tee this up for our consultants

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who worked diligently on this.

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So this comes from the city manager's recommended audit from the fiscal year 26 budget, so this was conducted over the course of the last fiscal year.

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In the scope and the purpose of this review was to look at the operations, the processes, and get a general review of our current practices and procedures, including docket structures, the overall management, and also look at internal and external measurable outcomes, and so data tells us a lot.

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So, that was one of the goals of this work.

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We also looked at organizational structures staffing for the municipal court, the court practices, procedures,

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and making sure that we're compliant with Missouri Supreme Court rules and court operating rules,

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which guide the municipal court functions.

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There's also component looking at, we call them interdependencies.

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right, the police department, the prosecutors office, our finance department, many different

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stakeholders interact with the municipal court, so we wanted to be mindful of that.

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And then as well we looked at just the overall facilities and technology that support the

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municipal court functions.

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I want to be very clear what this scope does not entail is judge compensation that has

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been a discussion, but the scope of this municipal court operational review does not, that's

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component of this presentation line. That's a separate consideration. I wanted to acknowledge that

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Judge Maxwell Lopez and Judge Altairi are both here and of course you heard from the various

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municipal court staff as well. I will also note that as a scope of this work, there are portions

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of this work that are considered protected under closed record because they involve things such as

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financial controls, safety and security, and so through the Missouri State Statutes, there's

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provisions that allow for that kind of information to be protected and considered closed

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record.

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So that's a component that's not out there in the public record, but I wanted to ensure that

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all of you had that information.

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So I sent that to you under attorney client privilege, closed record for your awareness

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too.

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So I wanted to make mention of that.

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I will also share that since having received the final report from Rath Tellis that there have been efforts underway to make improvements based on the recommendations that you'll hear shortly, so be happy to chime in on some of those things that we've done along the way.

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So with that, I would like to introduce Jonathan Ingram with Rath Tellis, he's Vice President over organizational assessment, and he also has with him Rebecca Hoskin, who's a senior manager with Rath Tellis,

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and Andrea Miller, a senior advisor for Reft Tellis, and so I'll turn it over for them

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to provide their review.

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01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:54,960
Good evening Mayor and Council.

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01:03:55,080 --> 01:03:56,220
It's good to be with you this evening.

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01:03:56,540 --> 01:03:58,600
As the city manager indicated, my name is Jonathan Ingram.

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I'm a Vice President with Reft Tellis.

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I lead our local government organizational assessment practice.

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So what does that mean in non-consultant speak?

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Essentially, we are a local government focus consulting firm.

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We work exclusively for city and county governments across the United States.

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States, everything from accounting to zoos. My role is to lead the efforts on staffing,

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process and proven assessments, those kinds of things. So, in other words, the work

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that integrates very specifically with the scope and the task that you all outlined for

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study for your municipal court. I'll ask my colleagues to introduce themselves as well, and

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then we'll move into the presentation.

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01:04:35,310 --> 01:04:37,250
I'm Andrea Miller. I'm also a consultant with

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her, I've tell us, but I may be a little different than your average consultants. I actually

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have about 28 or so years of municipal government experience and also in attorney license

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and state of California.

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So, my role in the project really was to look at the court rules, the various state statutes,

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01:04:51,950 --> 01:04:56,350
your constitution, your charters, and they said ensure that the operational practices of

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the court were consistent with those operating standards.

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Hello, my name is Rebecca Hoskin. I was the project manager on this engagement. I've got about 25 years of experiencing local government, about half and direct service in finance and budget in southern California and also in the city managers office and other venues. And about half in local government consulting like Jonathan doing reviews around the country for a wide variety of departments and operations.

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So just to start I want to set the context for what we want to tackle this evening and what we want to share and give you a sense of the flow.

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So the first piece is we want to give you just some sense of the context of the court.

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So it can it can feel a little bit like inside baseball.

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So we want to make sure that you all and your members of your community understand kind of the specific task of the court.

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We also want to highlight what we believe are areas of risk.

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So when you deal in public safety.

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There is essentially a risk matrix that you use to evaluate issues and evaluate the urgency of issues.

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We want to give you a sense as a governing body of some of those things that elevated for focus detention,

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that informs some of the recommendations that we've offered.

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We'll spend some time reviewing our specific analysis and recommendations, and of course provide a couple concluding points.

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One of the things that I really want to outline here is the report and the recommendations ultimately recommend

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01:06:18,740 --> 01:06:23,640
a number of adjustments in staffing, process, procedure, and organizational structure.

742
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What we have not done is made a wholesale recommendation to add every conceptual number

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of staff that you could add, because fundamentally there are a number of process improvements

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that we've identified that can be implemented to generate efficiencies within the court,

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01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:42,700
to generate efficiencies within the document management process, and there is also a clear

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01:06:42,700 --> 01:06:47,840
need to add capacity and to have a rolling and a lot of a process where you all are making

747
01:06:47,840 --> 01:06:52,500
improvements as a community making improvements as a court, and evaluating where additional

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resources could be added in the future.

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So really it's an integrated plan that tackles both capacity sort of labor hours that you

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need to get the work done, but also process improvements and very specifically targeting areas

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01:07:04,060 --> 01:07:08,460
of risk with respect to the judicial process that we believe are important for the organization

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01:07:08,460 --> 01:07:09,020
to address.

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01:07:09,420 --> 01:07:14,140
We've also identified a number of areas where we can generate contracted capacity or support

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to be able to add additional resources to help deal with backlog, deal with peak periods without necessarily adding full-time folks.

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So, that's some of the context that I want to offer.

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It'll primarily be Rebecca and Andrea, my colleagues here with me this evening, who will be rolling through those risk areas and recommendations.

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01:07:31,980 --> 01:07:35,880
But of course, if there are questions that will come up, I'm certainly happy to add any context that may be appropriate.

758
01:07:47,260 --> 01:07:53,320
The context is really important, because the court has kind of a diva animal, good with my text. Is it up or down?

759
01:07:55,980 --> 01:08:00,200
So the court operates within the framework of the various court rules, the state statute,

760
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your constitution.

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01:08:01,540 --> 01:08:04,180
Can you bring them, I could find a little bit closer so we can hear you a little better?

762
01:08:05,820 --> 01:08:08,480
So we started with the context that the court operated within.

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And the court does is guided by various state statutes, the constitution, various local rules,

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but it's kind of a divided oversight and it creates kind of a complexity within

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situation, which is I think part of the fundamental issue here that you're hearing, especially

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01:08:23,040 --> 01:08:24,460
in the public speaker's comments.

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01:08:25,740 --> 01:08:29,840
The circuit court maintains administrative authority over your court's office of state courts

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to provide some technology and support services to your courts.

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Those are state agencies that your court can rely upon.

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At the end of the day, though, the city of Lee Summit oversees your appointment management

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01:08:40,260 --> 01:08:45,180
and compensation of your court employees, but they still have that connection with the presiding

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01:08:45,180 --> 01:08:48,960
judge who ultimately supervises the court officers.

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01:08:50,140 --> 01:08:53,840
The municipal judges themselves are responsible for compliance with the various statutes.

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The supervisor court administrator, but that's really kind of a shared supervision.

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And so we'll get into some of that in greater detail, but I think that's part of what is

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01:09:01,460 --> 01:09:05,380
generating kind of the lack of clarity of function and also some lack of accountability.

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01:09:17,040 --> 01:09:17,760
There's some trends.

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We concur with the judges.

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01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:21,740
There's some trends that are impacting the municipal court.

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Your community is growing.

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01:09:23,780 --> 01:09:27,880
You've seen a tremendous population growth from 1985 to 2025.

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01:09:28,140 --> 01:09:30,260
We confirm that in some of the earlier studies.

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01:09:31,120 --> 01:09:32,880
Their core workload is growing.

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01:09:33,180 --> 01:09:34,420
The structure is not changed.

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01:09:34,740 --> 01:09:36,240
And you've had a tremendous amount of staff turnover,

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which has created some additional issues in terms of the processing of cases.

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01:09:43,810 --> 01:09:46,310
It's important to kind of understand where they are today, though,

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01:09:46,370 --> 01:09:50,750
as we begin to analyze what we've projected and software them in terms of the future.

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01:09:51,250 --> 01:09:54,070
There are some key functions that we looked at the judicial functions.

790
01:09:54,590 --> 01:09:58,090
And you have to speak up. They can't hear in the back. Maybe throw that mic off here.

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01:10:06,700 --> 01:10:08,800
So we looked at the key functions.

792
01:10:14,240 --> 01:10:21,500
Okay. How about I stand really, really close to it? Second. I'll be really close to it. In fact, I'll move this in a little bit. Is that a little bit better?

793
01:10:22,280 --> 01:10:40,480
Okay. So we looked at the various functions, the judicial functions, which is really the courtroom staff officers doing their work, the court administration, which is kind of the processing of cases, making sure that the data entry is appropriate, that the rules and items are being adhered to, and then probation monitoring.

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01:10:40,940 --> 01:10:41,340
Over

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all we looked at your clearance rates and the typical goal for current traces about a hundred percent

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01:10:50,000 --> 01:10:54,680
During the pandemic there were some changes obviously there were changes to the way the court operated

797
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:59,360
That the same time they were growing caseload and turn over in technology challenges

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01:10:59,960 --> 01:11:05,820
But overall you're quite seeing the function well and seeing the work through the pandemic really the issues and so your clearance rates actually are fairly good

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01:11:12,210 --> 01:11:17,690
So one of the things we always look at as John reference earlier is areas of risk right when we're looking at these kinds of things

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And there were really two areas of potential risk related to the court in terms of the audit results.

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01:11:22,890 --> 01:11:27,350
And we, you know, we just always want to make you aware as part of the basis in the framework for decision making.

802
01:11:28,190 --> 01:11:33,010
And those two areas really revolve around compliance with the revised statutes.

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01:11:33,570 --> 01:11:37,710
Basically we call it rule 37 that governs the court essentially.

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01:11:37,870 --> 01:11:38,890
Telling us that the back.

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01:11:39,130 --> 01:11:39,210
Thank you.

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01:11:39,330 --> 01:11:39,550
Okay.

807
01:11:40,130 --> 01:11:41,890
If you can like hold it all the way up to mouth.

808
01:11:41,950 --> 01:11:42,190
Yeah.

809
01:11:42,350 --> 01:11:43,750
I think this one is actually better.

810
01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:47,530
I'll do both. Can you hear me now?

811
01:11:48,770 --> 01:11:51,730
There we go. All right. We will do better.

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01:11:52,950 --> 01:11:56,590
So there are two areas of potential risk that are being compliance with the state's

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01:11:56,590 --> 01:11:59,690
vatutes. The rule 37 that oversees municipal courts and

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01:11:59,690 --> 01:12:03,010
secret court rules and the second being some financial management and

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01:12:03,010 --> 01:12:06,930
controls issues. Those are the areas where we felt that the city is

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01:12:06,930 --> 01:12:08,830
exposed in the court to the most risk.

817
01:12:09,190 --> 01:12:12,590
In terms of compliance with state rules, it's that rule 37.

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01:12:12,590 --> 01:12:17,830
And it's important to know, it's important to know that there have been two audits by

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01:12:17,830 --> 01:12:25,210
Asuka, the Office of State Court Administration since 2022, 1 in 2022 and 1 in 2025.

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01:12:25,950 --> 01:12:29,870
Both of which had findings that were related to compliance with different various pieces

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01:12:29,870 --> 01:12:30,730
of those laws.

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01:12:31,010 --> 01:12:33,810
And so, you know, it's just important to know that there's a lot of findings just like you'd

823
01:12:33,810 --> 01:12:35,870
have a audit finding and a financial operation.

824
01:12:36,130 --> 01:12:40,430
We've had court audits findings from Asuka and staff as aware of those.

825
01:12:40,650 --> 01:12:41,590
Thank you.

826
01:12:41,590 --> 01:12:55,290
The second piece being finance management controls as well, both Oscar and the city finance department have done some reviews of those as well and also identified some internal controls weaknesses as do we.

827
01:12:55,830 --> 01:13:08,690
This simple things is this is not unusual to find minor things in terms of cash handling those kinds of things internal controls and cross tracks essentially those checks and balances that you would want in your your financial system.

828
01:13:08,690 --> 01:13:12,750
There were some weaknesses there and so that's just another area of risk certainly always

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01:13:12,750 --> 01:13:15,650
something you want to be aware of in order to address.

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01:13:17,290 --> 01:13:20,730
So with that context we're going to go into our recommendations from our report and talk

831
01:13:20,730 --> 01:13:24,710
through those and Andrea is going to start with discussion of court supervision and

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01:13:24,710 --> 01:13:25,070
management.

833
01:13:35,750 --> 01:13:37,890
And first I'm going to note something really important.

834
01:13:38,830 --> 01:13:42,610
There's a little flyer here on the screen that shows you how not to hold the microphone

835
01:13:42,610 --> 01:13:46,810
and how to hold the microphone so I'll follow that guidance right there and it says

836
01:13:46,810 --> 01:13:52,790
that I can't hold it like this, I need to hold it like this, and up to my mouth.

837
01:13:53,810 --> 01:13:56,110
So we came up with various recommendations.

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01:13:56,530 --> 01:13:58,730
We did try to organize them by a function.

839
01:13:58,890 --> 01:13:59,830
The first one is staffing.

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01:14:00,350 --> 01:14:02,650
Prioritized implementing a formal management system.

841
01:14:02,850 --> 01:14:06,390
It's really important because of the complexity of the relationships that we talked about.

842
01:14:06,870 --> 01:14:11,150
There are functions that are within the responsibility of the presiding judge at the circuit court.

843
01:14:11,390 --> 01:14:13,370
Your judges themselves have some various responsibilities.

844
01:14:13,370 --> 01:14:16,930
the city also plays a role with respect to the operation of municipal court.

845
01:14:17,830 --> 01:14:22,350
Prioritized implementing a relationship and a formal management system connecting the city's

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01:14:22,350 --> 01:14:26,370
court lays on someone within the city manager's office to the judges and court administrator

847
01:14:26,370 --> 01:14:30,930
that close link will help to ensure that as the court is dealing with issues and identifying

848
01:14:30,930 --> 01:14:35,550
issues they have someone within the city organization that consists in addressing them.

849
01:14:35,890 --> 01:14:39,170
The second one was engaged in experience outside assistance to drive some changes.

850
01:14:39,550 --> 01:14:41,830
There's a lot of work that needs to be completed there.

851
01:14:41,830 --> 01:14:46,070
There's a tremendous backlog, Rebecca talked about some of the risks that we've seen.

852
01:14:46,370 --> 01:14:49,410
Some of that risk is pretty significant and needs to be addressed quickly.

853
01:14:50,050 --> 01:14:55,050
Having outsiders assistance from someone that really has been in that position is really critical

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01:14:55,050 --> 01:14:56,570
to help drive those needed changes.

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01:14:57,130 --> 01:14:59,970
And then established an internal policy that any reviews of the court.

856
01:15:00,740 --> 01:15:11,140
Our done by Oska in particular are shared with the city council, with the city manager's office, so you can assist the court in addressing those concerns.

857
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:26,040
Policy mangos are really important. And one of the challenges that we faced in evaluating your staffing and structure issues was that there were no really real written procedures mangos that guided through work.

858
01:15:26,040 --> 01:15:28,880
And certainly there were men that were reflective

859
01:15:28,880 --> 01:15:31,240
of the state Missouri state law, the Supreme Court rules,

860
01:15:31,340 --> 01:15:32,600
and various court rules.

861
01:15:32,880 --> 01:15:33,580
They're out there.

862
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:35,400
We don't recommend that you spend a lifetime

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01:15:35,400 --> 01:15:36,900
creating something new.

864
01:15:37,100 --> 01:15:38,660
They're plenty of examples out there.

865
01:15:38,860 --> 01:15:41,240
But that would be a critical step to make sure

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01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:43,360
that as you onboard new staff members,

867
01:15:43,580 --> 01:15:45,200
that you have people, that you're cross-training,

868
01:15:45,340 --> 01:15:46,960
that they have some kind of a policy manual,

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01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:49,220
or something that they can look to to make sure

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01:15:49,220 --> 01:15:50,140
that their work is guided.

871
01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:51,820
And they're working consistently

872
01:15:51,820 --> 01:15:53,720
with what the expectations are.

873
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:59,280
Training was an issue, training and specific roles and responsibilities is certainly important,

874
01:15:59,400 --> 01:16:02,920
but there needs to be cross-training so that if that person is not available that day,

875
01:16:03,180 --> 01:16:05,240
the functions continue to be done.

876
01:16:05,800 --> 01:16:08,800
And then Manitory Supervisor and Leadership Training for all employees.

877
01:16:10,440 --> 01:16:15,540
There needs to be a ongoing process to create self-reflection, to help do things better

878
01:16:15,540 --> 01:16:21,200
and that training for supervisors to have to motivate and train and develop staff is really important.

879
01:16:23,720 --> 01:16:29,080
annual performance evaluations. We talked to not about specific evaluations, but really we

880
01:16:29,080 --> 01:16:32,860
wanted to see whether those were being completed. That's an important opportunity for supervisors

881
01:16:32,860 --> 01:16:38,080
to talk to staff about what the expectations are. Close the court on specific days because of the

882
01:16:38,080 --> 01:16:43,980
tremendous backlog that exists and the training needs that are there. But close them on a specific day,

883
01:16:44,180 --> 01:16:48,640
maybe each month to allow them to focus on implementation of needed changes and to help

884
01:16:48,640 --> 01:16:52,720
guide those improvement processes. There were a lot of great ideas that came from your staff.

885
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:57,320
they were willing to share ideas and comments, but they need time to actually vet those and

886
01:16:57,320 --> 01:16:59,500
then help move those forward and drive that change.

887
01:17:00,060 --> 01:17:04,820
And then develop a prioritized plan to address the court backlogs, not all things are created

888
01:17:04,820 --> 01:17:05,280
equally.

889
01:17:05,760 --> 01:17:10,580
And some of the areas are more critical to address first and so develop a plan to address those

890
01:17:10,580 --> 01:17:11,400
backlogs.

891
01:17:19,630 --> 01:17:23,350
Okay, so then we're going to move on to financial management controls, which is another area

892
01:17:23,350 --> 01:17:24,750
of recommendations in our report,

893
01:17:26,940 --> 01:17:29,480
and one of these recommendations was to improve the

894
01:17:29,480 --> 01:17:35,180
We talked about simply requiring the court to comply with the city's finance department procedures for

895
01:17:35,180 --> 01:17:36,060
County and cash handling.

896
01:17:36,260 --> 01:17:40,080
This is an area where that complex relationship we might want a little more centralized

897
01:17:40,080 --> 01:17:43,460
controller, input at least on how the court operates in that way.

898
01:17:43,620 --> 01:17:45,360
So there's a consistency across the city.

899
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:49,140
And you also have a great resource there in your finance department that they can draw upon and

900
01:17:49,140 --> 01:17:53,180
use to help with that to ensure that control is there.

901
01:17:53,660 --> 01:17:55,300
And they can provide guidance on best practices.

902
01:17:56,260 --> 01:18:00,980
Another recommendation was to make daily secured cash deposits to the bank.

903
01:18:01,600 --> 01:18:05,220
At the time of our review, and this may have changed in the interim, but there was some

904
01:18:05,220 --> 01:18:08,660
lag in between the times we were taking in revenues versus the times that we were hitting

905
01:18:08,660 --> 01:18:12,220
the banks, and daily cash flow is best practice.

906
01:18:12,840 --> 01:18:15,900
There's always going to be occasional days and busy days where you have outliers, but the

907
01:18:15,900 --> 01:18:20,120
general best practice is to be as close to the time the money comes in as it gets deposited

908
01:18:20,120 --> 01:18:23,800
as possible for cash flow purposes and also security.

909
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:30,880
Finally, another one is to provide city finance with access to the Courts Bank accounts at the time of our review.

910
01:18:31,020 --> 01:18:36,480
There was some concern by finance that we're able to see everything and access to those bank accounts.

911
01:18:37,120 --> 01:18:41,080
There was some issues in terms of oscus oversight and

912
01:18:49,140 --> 01:18:50,060
controls as well.

913
01:18:50,520 --> 01:19:00,980
So that was something that we, you know, as part of the work, we did a lot of work at peer benchmarking with other area and regional courts to see what they did and to compare and contrast,

914
01:19:00,980 --> 01:19:03,720
at least some of its courts with those others.

915
01:19:04,580 --> 01:19:07,360
And this chart is just one simple example of that that's

916
01:19:07,360 --> 01:19:09,200
in our report about the court dates.

917
01:19:09,860 --> 01:19:11,820
You can see on the left there, in the dark screen,

918
01:19:12,100 --> 01:19:13,920
is sort of the number of judges each of those communities

919
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,700
has, and then across the top of the number of weekly court

920
01:19:16,700 --> 01:19:17,480
dates they have.

921
01:19:17,540 --> 01:19:20,220
And as you can see, at least some of this toward the bottom right,

922
01:19:20,440 --> 01:19:23,920
which means that you have two judges with only two court dates,

923
01:19:24,040 --> 01:19:25,900
which is toward the lower end of the spectrum.

924
01:19:26,660 --> 01:19:28,520
Only Ophalan and St. Charles were less.

925
01:19:28,520 --> 01:19:30,660
They both have one judge and, you know,

926
01:19:30,780 --> 01:19:33,220
on Fallon offers two days a week and St. Charles has won.

927
01:19:33,780 --> 01:19:35,640
So, this was just one way to kind of look

928
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:38,380
at where you will lie amongst your regional competitors

929
01:19:39,180 --> 01:19:40,700
or peers, if you want.

930
01:19:43,160 --> 01:19:45,860
One of the key pieces of work we did was to analyze

931
01:19:45,860 --> 01:19:49,020
and try to estimate what the capacity needs are.

932
01:19:49,040 --> 01:19:49,660
This was difficult.

933
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:51,940
We'll tell you because there was a lack of data

934
01:19:52,380 --> 01:19:54,120
from the systems from the court.

935
01:19:54,700 --> 01:19:56,960
So, one of the methods we use was a national center

936
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:57,640
for state courts.

937
01:19:57,640 --> 01:19:59,300
They have some time studies, if you will,

938
01:19:59,300 --> 01:19:59,840
for how long.

939
01:20:00,000 --> 01:20:23,280
We have to take a specific courteouse take. It's not exactly apples, it's more circuit court level, but we tried to apply that just to get a sense of what it would show and the result is essentially that on the right there you can see, as was mentioned earlier, the leigh some at base on your court load workload, your court workload would be 5.4 days of court time per week, and that's contrasted to two days right now.

940
01:20:26,430 --> 01:20:31,350
So, one of our recommendations in regard to capacity is really to increase that judge on

941
01:20:31,350 --> 01:20:36,190
site time by one court date per judge for a total of four days per week.

942
01:20:36,490 --> 01:20:40,510
So we're doubling from two days to four days per week and to then supplement with an

943
01:20:40,510 --> 01:20:44,390
on-call pro-tum judge as some of the other communities do.

944
01:20:44,670 --> 01:20:46,050
That's essentially an on-call position.

945
01:20:46,210 --> 01:20:47,290
There's a couple of reasons for that.

946
01:20:47,290 --> 01:20:51,690
That's a good best practice, A, it's an awful time employee that kind of on-call, but

947
01:20:51,690 --> 01:20:54,510
Secondly, it's great for succession and backfill

948
01:20:54,510 --> 01:20:55,890
if one of your judges is out.

949
01:20:56,010 --> 01:20:58,970
They can come in and help pitch in while some is out.

950
01:20:59,570 --> 01:21:02,910
And only, you know, a few of those communities

951
01:21:02,910 --> 01:21:05,610
had less court days while the volume.

952
01:21:06,190 --> 01:21:08,270
And you are definitely seeing volume growing over time

953
01:21:08,270 --> 01:21:09,670
as Andrea showed in the charts.

954
01:21:10,230 --> 01:21:12,670
So we definitely know capacity is required.

955
01:21:13,290 --> 01:21:15,890
How much is ideal is yet to be determined

956
01:21:15,890 --> 01:21:18,830
but in our estimate and we'll discuss this more.

957
01:21:19,150 --> 01:21:21,190
Again, as John mentioned, there's some process improvements

958
01:21:21,190 --> 01:21:24,830
that we would like to see before we go to full staffing capacity.

959
01:21:25,670 --> 01:21:28,690
We think there's some incremental steps to occur, but we think doubling it immediately would

960
01:21:28,690 --> 01:21:32,050
be a certainly a step in the right direction for sure.

961
01:21:33,370 --> 01:21:37,690
Another recommendation was to promote a probation compliance officer to a supervisory

962
01:21:37,690 --> 01:21:41,930
position to provide some form of oversight for the probation program.

963
01:21:42,430 --> 01:21:46,630
Probation is one of your shining stars with court here, that's something that differentiates

964
01:21:46,630 --> 01:21:49,690
at least some of it from many of your peers who have a probation program and it's very

965
01:21:49,690 --> 01:21:54,130
and well-used, right now you essentially have three peer

966
01:21:54,130 --> 01:21:56,870
probation officers in that program, and we really think

967
01:21:56,870 --> 01:21:59,850
there'd be useful to have one elevated position to kind of

968
01:21:59,850 --> 01:22:02,930
provide oversight and technical expertise to ensure

969
01:22:02,930 --> 01:22:04,770
there's consistency across those positions.

970
01:22:08,200 --> 01:22:10,300
As I was mentioned earlier, as well, case loaded for the

971
01:22:10,300 --> 01:22:11,900
probation officers is pretty high.

972
01:22:12,060 --> 01:22:13,160
We did see that as well.

973
01:22:13,340 --> 01:22:16,780
This was self-reported by your staff, but you know, we

974
01:22:16,780 --> 01:22:19,440
cross-validated across the different probation officers and

975
01:22:19,440 --> 01:22:23,200
is pretty consistent, six to 800 cases per officer.

976
01:22:24,040 --> 01:22:30,180
As I was mentioned earlier, you know, ranges in best practice really run from 175, you know,

977
01:22:30,740 --> 01:22:34,620
to down to 45, depending on the case type, obviously the more complex cases like domestic

978
01:22:34,620 --> 01:22:40,660
violence, they take much more manpower time per case and so the numbers are much smaller.

979
01:22:41,420 --> 01:22:45,840
So your probation officers are definitely dealing with a high case load and that needs

980
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:46,520
to be addressed.

981
01:22:48,480 --> 01:22:54,820
One of the issues with that is that we noticed, in talking to them, there is a lot of administrative

982
01:22:54,820 --> 01:22:58,160
work being done by your probation officers and that's one thing we think we could help

983
01:22:58,160 --> 01:23:00,560
to increase their capacity by moving that elsewhere.

984
01:23:01,200 --> 01:23:05,720
And so we've recommended that you get one new court clerk position that would support solely

985
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:07,020
the probation program right now.

986
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:10,020
They have no administrative, no direct administrative support.

987
01:23:10,500 --> 01:23:13,460
And so we really hope that that would help to increase some of their capacity in the short

988
01:23:13,460 --> 01:23:14,000
term.

989
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:17,520
and then you'd obviously continue to monitor going forward.

990
01:23:18,600 --> 01:23:24,720
Another recommendation is to increase overall court clerk capacity by making one current part time clerk full time.

991
01:23:25,060 --> 01:23:28,360
And that would assist in providing additional capacity right away as well.

992
01:23:28,980 --> 01:23:33,240
Currently there is another clerk that has provided kind of informal support to probation.

993
01:23:34,000 --> 01:23:38,160
That if you get the position I just spoke about directly for probation that frees out up to.

994
01:23:38,160 --> 01:23:47,680
So essentially you're adding over one additional court clerk to their capacity to assist with all the general backlogs and needs for the court as discussed.

995
01:23:49,300 --> 01:23:52,400
And finally another recommendation was to request funding for temporary help.

996
01:23:53,020 --> 01:23:55,120
They really do need some help in the short term.

997
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:56,140
A quick dive.

998
01:23:56,560 --> 01:24:03,220
We think at higher extent temporary help to clear some backlogs, perform special projects and really dig out of some of these holes would be extremely useful.

999
01:24:03,220 --> 01:24:07,960
and those resources would be a valuable use for the budget process.

1000
01:24:10,740 --> 01:24:13,100
With that, I'm going to turn it back to Andrea for process improvements.

1001
01:24:18,810 --> 01:24:22,390
I think one of the really important things that Jonathan mentioned in his comments that

1002
01:24:22,390 --> 01:24:26,230
can't be reiterated enough is, thank you, Jonathan.

1003
01:24:27,610 --> 01:24:28,550
Thank you, Jonathan.

1004
01:24:29,370 --> 01:24:32,770
But I think one of the most important things that Jonathan said was not only were we trying

1005
01:24:32,770 --> 01:24:37,250
to define the issues for today, but also set up a process for how you can evaluate

1006
01:24:37,250 --> 01:24:41,470
make those recommendations into the future, because this is going to be a constant issue as the

1007
01:24:41,470 --> 01:24:45,410
community evolves and changes. But in the interim, there are some process improvements that

1008
01:24:45,410 --> 01:24:51,030
should free up some time and would help them with the volume of work that's being handled.

1009
01:24:51,670 --> 01:24:59,910
Re-evaluate the darker assignments. In our analysis of some of the other courts, they have

1010
01:24:59,910 --> 01:24:59,970
Thanks for watching!

1011
01:25:00,940 --> 01:25:07,440
We did lack some of the data to be able to make some specific recommendations in this area, but they should be working to create

1012
01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:13,120
docket sizes that are appropriate and fit more closely with what the needs are within the allocated time slots.

1013
01:25:14,220 --> 01:25:22,160
Also, things, simple things like taking some of the administrative functions and doing those at the end of the day could help alleviate the time and then reduce the people waiting in your court rooms.

1014
01:25:22,680 --> 01:25:27,040
implement cutoff times for court check-in and if you're peers as we mentioned and looking

1015
01:25:27,040 --> 01:25:31,240
at them had cutoff times for court check-in, sometimes within 15 to 30 minutes the last

1016
01:25:31,240 --> 01:25:36,440
docket slot. They can limit cases on the docket and establish fixed walk-in periods. There

1017
01:25:36,440 --> 01:25:41,200
are policies and procedures in 19 and 20 kind of go and hand in hand because the circuit

1018
01:25:41,200 --> 01:25:45,960
court does provide some rules that include deadlines for actions like filing cases and request

1019
01:25:45,960 --> 01:25:48,720
for a continuous. They could help manage the court flow.

1020
01:25:53,690 --> 01:25:55,350
We said a moment ago that your probation

1021
01:25:55,350 --> 01:26:00,190
program is really a shining star. It is one of the premier programs in least summit, not many

1022
01:26:00,190 --> 01:26:05,630
other organizations offered such an important component, helping bring offenders in giving

1023
01:26:05,630 --> 01:26:10,430
them the resources and tools to ensure that they don't reoffend. But there should be some shared

1024
01:26:10,430 --> 01:26:16,030
expectations related to the assignment of cases to those two individuals to make sure that

1025
01:26:16,030 --> 01:26:19,790
you're not over burning them and over burning the system. We want to make sure that they can

1026
01:26:19,790 --> 01:26:24,570
remain effective and that the volume isn't overwhelming the system. Provide alternative resources

1027
01:26:24,570 --> 01:26:26,870
to provide information assistance.

1028
01:26:27,470 --> 01:26:31,510
There are some great resources within the least summit community and even beyond that.

1029
01:26:31,810 --> 01:26:36,870
Judges we watched them, Rebecca and I had the opportunity to observe a couple of days.

1030
01:26:37,350 --> 01:26:42,530
And we saw judges actually trying to find drug rehab programs and other supportive services

1031
01:26:42,530 --> 01:26:44,210
for individuals.

1032
01:26:44,550 --> 01:26:48,870
We know your probation officers are doing that, but create a central list of that information

1033
01:26:48,870 --> 01:26:50,010
is immediately available.

1034
01:26:50,650 --> 01:26:53,670
And then maybe adding some capacity in the future to manage this resource.

1035
01:26:53,670 --> 01:26:58,170
And then develop an online request option for payment plans.

1036
01:26:58,570 --> 01:27:04,110
There's an awful lot of work through the relationship with your OSCA, where you could

1037
01:27:04,110 --> 01:27:08,870
do some online payment plans and things that nature should reduce the actual volume of offenders

1038
01:27:08,870 --> 01:27:09,790
in your courtroom.

1039
01:27:16,180 --> 01:27:19,140
Another area we reviewed was the technology in the court.

1040
01:27:20,100 --> 01:27:26,320
The court, as all of them in the state, were required by the State Circuit Court several

1041
01:27:26,320 --> 01:27:30,400
years back to adopt the ShowMe Quartz software system.

1042
01:27:30,580 --> 01:27:32,160
It's a consistent system used statewide.

1043
01:27:33,540 --> 01:27:37,360
And we really think that it could be maximized and made

1044
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:38,360
to better use.

1045
01:27:38,620 --> 01:27:40,600
Unfortunately, that implementation kind of occurred

1046
01:27:40,600 --> 01:27:42,980
at a time when you guys were suffering a lot of turnover

1047
01:27:42,980 --> 01:27:44,300
and change in the court.

1048
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:47,440
And so we really think that there's some pieces

1049
01:27:47,440 --> 01:27:48,980
that aren't being maximized.

1050
01:27:48,980 --> 01:27:50,860
Some of your staff now came from other courts

1051
01:27:50,860 --> 01:27:52,680
and they recognized that there are pieces of things

1052
01:27:52,680 --> 01:27:54,200
that could be improved or done differently.

1053
01:27:54,200 --> 01:27:59,220
So we really think, again, be a good use of resources and it's a short term, so bring in

1054
01:27:59,220 --> 01:28:03,580
an IT professional or someone from OSCA ideally to ensure that the court is really maximizing

1055
01:28:03,580 --> 01:28:06,580
the use of the software to the greatest potential possible.

1056
01:28:07,220 --> 01:28:11,060
There are several specific things in the report that could be done to improve workflows

1057
01:28:11,060 --> 01:28:14,540
and accountability through the system that aren't being done right now.

1058
01:28:15,820 --> 01:28:21,260
Also in terms of technology, we really want to focus the court to become a data-driven decision-making

1059
01:28:21,260 --> 01:28:21,820
unit.

1060
01:28:21,820 --> 01:28:26,000
One of the things that struck us when we requested data, there really wasn't much.

1061
01:28:26,820 --> 01:28:31,840
I think that there's a lack of the reporting in the system, but also just maybe the use of it to that point.

1062
01:28:32,200 --> 01:28:37,460
Again, people are working as hard as they can every day, and so there's just hasn't been that ability to do that.

1063
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:45,140
And so we want to encourage the court and the city to push move in that direction to run reports and track metrics,

1064
01:28:45,160 --> 01:28:51,800
so that we can really start managing through that data to really see where those improvements can work and be implemented for

1065
01:28:51,800 --> 01:28:52,860
benefit of everyone.

1066
01:28:56,990 --> 01:29:01,050
The last grouping of recommendations has to do with the security and

1067
01:29:01,050 --> 01:29:07,050
physical environment at the court. We had three recommendations here. One was to reinstate

1068
01:29:07,050 --> 01:29:10,810
the use of the podium or lectern at a reasonable distance from the judge. One of the things

1069
01:29:10,810 --> 01:29:14,850
that honestly surprised us and some of our folks who worked in course was the proximity of

1070
01:29:14,850 --> 01:29:22,670
your folks at the right up at the judge and the potential security concerns while probably not a

1071
01:29:22,670 --> 01:29:27,650
issue. It's there. And the best practice is to really have some distance between the judges

1072
01:29:27,650 --> 01:29:32,230
and the folks appearing at court. So we would just, apparently, that was done during COVID,

1073
01:29:32,490 --> 01:29:36,730
and then removed, you know, and that's a preference of operations. We personally feel

1074
01:29:36,730 --> 01:29:43,990
you should reinstate the use of the lecture. Another physical workspace issue was to provide

1075
01:29:43,990 --> 01:29:47,810
additional equipment at the checking counter. Right now, you have a checking counter. It's a lovely

1076
01:29:47,810 --> 01:29:51,850
facility. Folks can come in and check in for the court. And clerk staff have to be up there

1077
01:29:51,850 --> 01:29:53,750
in court dates to perform that work.

1078
01:29:54,010 --> 01:29:56,690
Unfortunately, they don't have their normal daily work machines,

1079
01:29:57,030 --> 01:29:58,730
scanners, and computers up there.

1080
01:29:59,170 --> 01:29:59,970
So they either have to...

1081
01:30:00,000 --> 01:30:06,940
They're run between their dusk in the front counter or sit at the counter and not do their work. It's inefficient, essentially, is what it boils down to.

1082
01:30:07,100 --> 01:30:14,700
And so we think that there can be some low cost investments so that when they're up at the counter for court, they can continue on with their daily work, while still serving the customers that come in for court.

1083
01:30:15,960 --> 01:30:23,820
The last recommendation is to ensure some secured office space or lockers for the court security officer and the contracted security officer's the court.

1084
01:30:24,140 --> 01:30:28,520
You have folks that are play a really important role in the physical security of the court,

1085
01:30:28,520 --> 01:30:32,420
But they don't have any space right now for their needs.

1086
01:30:32,820 --> 01:30:33,740
They don't have lockers.

1087
01:30:33,900 --> 01:30:35,200
There's not secured office space.

1088
01:30:35,400 --> 01:30:38,500
In particular, in the past, when we were there, the court security officer was working

1089
01:30:38,500 --> 01:30:43,460
on things like fingerprinting and background checks on behalf of some city departments,

1090
01:30:44,000 --> 01:30:45,460
and they didn't have a way to lock that up.

1091
01:30:45,780 --> 01:30:50,680
So those are important privacy concerns and it's just a minor fix that some lockers

1092
01:30:50,680 --> 01:30:51,360
could resolve.

1093
01:30:53,800 --> 01:30:55,560
With that, I'm going to turn it back to John.

1094
01:31:01,350 --> 01:31:07,070
So, as you've no doubt noticed, we've made a number of recommendations across a series

1095
01:31:07,070 --> 01:31:09,610
of courierious staffing projections.

1096
01:31:10,190 --> 01:31:12,950
We do want to note that staffing projections are conservative at this point.

1097
01:31:13,570 --> 01:31:17,770
So, we've ultimately offered a number of immediate staffing recommendations, contracted

1098
01:31:17,770 --> 01:31:20,230
staffing recommendations to generate additional capacity.

1099
01:31:20,750 --> 01:31:24,350
But we also see a priority to implement those process improvements that we've identified

1100
01:31:24,350 --> 01:31:29,610
and to generate that capacity to understand and evaluate the impact of those process improvements

1101
01:31:29,610 --> 01:31:33,470
on case flow, on workload, and ultimately the ability to work through the

1102
01:31:33,470 --> 01:31:38,030
docket with some of those adjustments to be articulated to really evaluate at that point.

1103
01:31:38,330 --> 01:31:40,730
What is really the trigger point to start to add additional resources?

1104
01:31:41,370 --> 01:31:46,150
So we view this as a starting point, but there's some work to be done within the municipal

1105
01:31:46,150 --> 01:31:51,470
court to achieve some of these process and proven outcomes to set up that really next phase

1106
01:31:51,470 --> 01:31:53,590
of analysis relative to additional staffing.

1107
01:31:54,530 --> 01:32:08,990
So, our initial recommendations, just high-level summary from what we've articulated, kind of the proposed new municipal organization, our municipal court or chart, is, so we've recommended essentially moving to four court days for the judges.

1108
01:32:09,810 --> 01:32:21,650
We recommended an overlap day where they're both in the building. In other words, this creates an opportunity for a really close coordination for a administrative time for staff direction that may be required and create some consistency there.

1109
01:32:21,650 --> 01:32:25,050
So that's an efficiency they can be gained from that process.

1110
01:32:25,730 --> 01:32:29,710
We've also, it's not articulated here, but we've recommended some strength and connections

1111
01:32:29,710 --> 01:32:34,430
between the municipal court and the city's operating departments and the city manager's office.

1112
01:32:34,690 --> 01:32:37,950
It really just a great, a greater liaison connection there.

1113
01:32:38,370 --> 01:32:44,870
We've made some recommendations in terms of adding a part-time court clerk to a full-time court clerk

1114
01:32:44,870 --> 01:32:50,250
and adding a court clerk to a probation as well as creating that probation compliance officer

1115
01:32:50,250 --> 01:32:51,630
permission as a promotion.

1116
01:32:52,370 --> 01:32:54,970
So we made some, obviously some initial significant capacity

1117
01:32:54,970 --> 01:32:56,210
increase recommendations.

1118
01:32:57,010 --> 01:32:58,610
The other piece that I just want to highlight,

1119
01:32:58,810 --> 01:33:01,190
we've also recommended bringing in a subject matter expert

1120
01:33:01,190 --> 01:33:02,210
on a temporary basis.

1121
01:33:02,210 --> 01:33:04,270
This could be a former municipal court judge,

1122
01:33:04,310 --> 01:33:05,990
could be an attorney, could be someone

1123
01:33:05,990 --> 01:33:07,450
with a connection to the Circuit Court,

1124
01:33:07,850 --> 01:33:09,890
who can help address some of the backlog

1125
01:33:09,890 --> 01:33:11,790
and in a more time-effective way

1126
01:33:11,790 --> 01:33:13,270
given the limited staffing resources

1127
01:33:13,270 --> 01:33:15,370
that you all have is a relatively small organization

1128
01:33:15,910 --> 01:33:17,950
to be able to execute some of those process improvements

1129
01:33:17,950 --> 01:33:20,330
and a timely fashion and give it essentially

1130
01:33:20,330 --> 01:33:21,130
dedicated energy.

1131
01:33:21,630 --> 01:33:23,750
But I do want to manage expectations a little bit

1132
01:33:23,750 --> 01:33:24,970
with respect to process improvements.

1133
01:33:25,150 --> 01:33:26,510
So we'll be do this kind of work.

1134
01:33:26,790 --> 01:33:28,570
It's easy to say, hey, there's 23 recommendations.

1135
01:33:28,690 --> 01:33:30,210
Let me know how they go in the next year.

1136
01:33:31,030 --> 01:33:33,750
But in reality, when we think about implementation,

1137
01:33:34,590 --> 01:33:36,330
you all, as a community, as a governing body,

1138
01:33:36,390 --> 01:33:37,830
are balancing resource challenges

1139
01:33:37,830 --> 01:33:39,810
and resource constraints across multiple departments.

1140
01:33:40,190 --> 01:33:41,930
There's always more investments than money.

1141
01:33:42,550 --> 01:33:44,110
That's a consistent trend in your community.

1142
01:33:44,150 --> 01:33:45,590
It's a consistent trend in every community.

1143
01:33:45,590 --> 01:33:54,870
We really think about this as really a five-year implementation plan in terms of rollout, but what we want to see as a sustained effort toward the process improvements, sort of adding that additional capacity.

1144
01:33:55,430 --> 01:33:58,150
There's clearly opportunities, there's clearly needs, right?

1145
01:33:58,410 --> 01:34:03,090
The question is, how can you absorb that in an effective way and in a manageable way?

1146
01:34:03,430 --> 01:34:09,330
But in one that reflects the urgency associated with some of the risks that we highlighted in the opportunities for the organization.

1147
01:34:10,210 --> 01:34:13,450
So with that, we will pause for any questions you all may have.

1148
01:34:14,210 --> 01:34:15,410
Thank you very much.

1149
01:34:15,710 --> 01:34:22,510
Before we turn it over to council questions, I wanted to Mr. Dunning if you could speak briefly to what has been implemented so far.

1150
01:34:22,690 --> 01:34:27,910
I believe we've voted as a council to move an FTE over to the court of things like that.

1151
01:34:28,050 --> 01:34:32,070
Can you just kind of recap a few of those things just to give us kind of a baseline of where we are right now?

1152
01:34:32,330 --> 01:34:42,170
Sure. So through our budget process for this fiscal year, there were two FTEs within administration that were reallocated to municipal court.

1153
01:34:42,170 --> 01:34:46,290
again having knowledge of this report coming just being mindful of that so that's a step

1154
01:34:46,290 --> 01:34:47,610
that's been taken.

1155
01:34:49,470 --> 01:34:54,190
I can tell you that there has been a lot of work on the financial controls side of things

1156
01:34:54,190 --> 01:34:54,950
that deposits.

1157
01:34:56,190 --> 01:34:58,250
I know there's been a lot of work done in that area.

1158
01:35:00,000 --> 01:35:13,600
I'm trying to think what else. There has been, I think there's been some work on just policies and procedures with the court administrator diving into that as well. So those are some that come to mind that we've put efforts behind.

1159
01:35:14,120 --> 01:35:22,100
Okay. Thank you. Do we have questions from the committee as to the content of the court operational review at this time?

1160
01:35:22,100 --> 01:35:25,180
or it's high from the council, Councilmember Carla.

1161
01:35:26,840 --> 01:35:27,980
Thank you.

1162
01:35:29,920 --> 01:35:33,140
So reading through this, I saw

1163
01:35:33,580 --> 01:35:37,340
what you were recommending for additional FTEs.

1164
01:35:37,440 --> 01:35:40,900
And then you just told us

1165
01:35:40,900 --> 01:35:44,300
what kind of what your recommendation is thus far.

1166
01:35:45,320 --> 01:35:49,620
But I felt it odd that with the workload

1167
01:35:49,620 --> 01:35:52,080
for the probation officers that you want to promote

1168
01:35:52,080 --> 01:35:54,260
one, but not add another.

1169
01:35:55,720 --> 01:35:58,140
Does it not look like they needed for?

1170
01:35:58,500 --> 01:36:04,100
I mean, you say that our probation program

1171
01:36:04,100 --> 01:36:05,540
is the shining star.

1172
01:36:06,200 --> 01:36:08,700
So I'm assuming they are going to continue

1173
01:36:08,700 --> 01:36:10,960
to have the workload that they do,

1174
01:36:11,240 --> 01:36:14,020
I mean, unless people just stop doing what they do.

1175
01:36:14,620 --> 01:36:20,700
So I think my first thought to that was, if we promote one

1176
01:36:20,700 --> 01:36:24,980
given supervisory duties, they're going to be able to handle less cases, right?

1177
01:36:25,460 --> 01:36:30,860
So then it's going to make the other two even heavier, so should we not do both of those

1178
01:36:30,860 --> 01:36:31,500
things?

1179
01:36:32,260 --> 01:36:33,040
I understand the question.

1180
01:36:33,880 --> 01:36:38,540
When we did interviews, we heard repeatedly, we need a fourth probation officer, and we

1181
01:36:38,540 --> 01:36:41,820
definitely considered that, and we're not saying it's off the table again, this is part

1182
01:36:41,820 --> 01:36:44,980
of the progressive kind of conservative approach to start somewhere.

1183
01:36:45,340 --> 01:36:49,140
Again, part of that was adding that specific administrative support.

1184
01:36:49,140 --> 01:36:51,580
We heard it consistently, from your probation officers,

1185
01:36:51,580 --> 01:36:55,100
spending a significant amount of time on this administrative stuff.

1186
01:36:55,440 --> 01:36:58,400
And we're really hopeful that if you get that administrative support dedicated,

1187
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:00,640
who knows it and are not and can take that off their plate,

1188
01:37:00,740 --> 01:37:01,980
that that's going to build some capacity.

1189
01:37:02,460 --> 01:37:03,040
Is it enough?

1190
01:37:03,280 --> 01:37:03,880
We'll have to see it.

1191
01:37:03,940 --> 01:37:05,840
I mean, again, that's part of our wait and see.

1192
01:37:06,040 --> 01:37:08,040
Do this, see how they're going to impact things.

1193
01:37:08,520 --> 01:37:11,860
With your growth of cases, unless there's a change in the way the referrals are made,

1194
01:37:12,060 --> 01:37:13,460
it's very likely you're going to need more.

1195
01:37:13,760 --> 01:37:16,780
But we didn't want to throw them all at you right away.

1196
01:37:16,780 --> 01:37:20,620
And we think the administrative piece is obviously a less cost

1197
01:37:20,620 --> 01:37:22,100
than the probationary officer.

1198
01:37:22,520 --> 01:37:22,760
Right.

1199
01:37:23,500 --> 01:37:27,560
So I'll also just add a little bit to the additional context there.

1200
01:37:28,300 --> 01:37:31,800
So in addition, the promotion of the probation officer

1201
01:37:31,800 --> 01:37:33,980
to a supervisor reposition, you would think

1202
01:37:33,980 --> 01:37:36,900
of that as a position that would still carry a lower case load,

1203
01:37:37,000 --> 01:37:38,180
but have supervisor responsibility.

1204
01:37:38,420 --> 01:37:41,060
So there is an increase in capacity there as well,

1205
01:37:41,560 --> 01:37:44,160
not a full FTE in terms of an additional officer.

1206
01:37:44,160 --> 01:37:53,740
But when you look at, again, you look at that administrative support, you look at being able to generate capacity within the existing resources you have with a modest where they're relatively modest investment.

1207
01:37:54,440 --> 01:37:56,580
That's the conservative path forward generated media capacity.

1208
01:37:57,500 --> 01:38:09,300
Okay, so and you did say that there is currently a clerk that does help them and so knows that process, but it's only part time helps. So really just make that go full time help.

1209
01:38:09,300 --> 01:38:19,200
Yeah, it's a full-time position clerk right now that was dedicating it was hard to know 40 to 60% of her time when she could and it was available to assist probation with their administrative duties

1210
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:28,460
Okay, so that wouldn't be that would be immediate help because she's already knows what she's doing or he he said she right. Yeah

1211
01:38:28,460 --> 01:38:33,500
That's right. Okay, part of this also helps with the technology piece because of big portion of the

1212
01:38:33,500 --> 01:38:37,740
functions that they have is data entry and so if we're going to truly make that show me

1213
01:38:37,740 --> 01:38:40,960
court system more effective and make sure the judges have the information that they need

1214
01:38:40,960 --> 01:38:46,140
on the bench that information needs to be input into the system. So we couldn't tell again how

1215
01:38:46,140 --> 01:38:49,880
much time was needed for that but it was a significant portion of their time each day as we

1216
01:38:49,880 --> 01:38:55,420
things went on a simple task like data entry. And that's for the probation officers? Yes.

1217
01:38:55,800 --> 01:39:00,040
Okay. If we can correct something, the probation officers and they could come down here to

1218
01:39:00,040 --> 01:39:03,920
themselves. They do not have any help. We have three probation officers and probation

1219
01:39:03,920 --> 01:39:09,220
that's it. So I think maybe that was what you had suggested, but that is never

1220
01:39:09,220 --> 01:39:09,660
happened.

1221
01:39:11,140 --> 01:39:15,220
We don't have anybody helping them at all right now. That's correct. That's my

1222
01:39:15,220 --> 01:39:18,320
understanding, correct? Mr. Morris, do you want to come on down?

1223
01:39:19,960 --> 01:39:20,400
We're going to.

1224
01:39:20,700 --> 01:39:22,200
Just a little bit.

1225
01:39:22,600 --> 01:39:28,100
And I would just note that our analysis was done based our comments are based on what we observed

1226
01:39:28,100 --> 01:39:32,100
with the comments we received from your probation staff. It may have changed, but they said

1227
01:39:32,100 --> 01:39:36,660
that they were receiving some support, at least at that time. That was about nine months ago.

1228
01:39:37,140 --> 01:39:43,160
Okay. And if I could just interject for a second time. So, our Ms. Port Judges and a couple of our...

1229
01:40:03,060 --> 01:40:15,240
But one clerk full time with the probation officers and then see what relief you get there and then if we need more add another.

1230
01:40:15,840 --> 01:40:16,540
Is what you're thinking?

1231
01:40:16,780 --> 01:40:17,440
That's correct.

1232
01:40:18,060 --> 01:40:19,440
Okay, can you back that up one slide?

1233
01:40:24,810 --> 01:40:36,990
Okay, and then so Mr. Dunning just told us that two FTEs were moved over from admin to the courts, but you wouldn't have seen that change.

1234
01:40:36,990 --> 01:40:40,430
that happened when you didn't get up. Okay.

1235
01:40:44,970 --> 01:40:47,050
I have a bunch of notes and I'm so sorry.

1236
01:40:57,300 --> 01:40:58,460
I was walking through

1237
01:40:58,460 --> 01:41:05,820
the recommendations and I was trying to figure out who does what, but I think you guys actually

1238
01:41:05,820 --> 01:41:10,680
did that partially on something that we just received so I haven't had. So I'll skip over that

1239
01:41:10,680 --> 01:41:13,120
I think that information's already been had.

1240
01:41:21,140 --> 01:41:28,840
And then, where you're recommending that we get help for the courts, people that

1241
01:41:28,840 --> 01:41:32,620
already know what they're doing, does that like, are all of those people you're talking

1242
01:41:32,620 --> 01:41:39,160
about coming from OSCA, or are you saying maybe we should engage a retired court administrator

1243
01:41:41,320 --> 01:41:46,680
or, yes, there's a significant support available through OSCA, but they're also retired

1244
01:41:46,680 --> 01:41:51,940
court clerks, even potentially municipal court judges, they might be willing to come in assist you.

1245
01:41:52,380 --> 01:41:56,400
You need someone who has really been in that system, understands how an effective court system works.

1246
01:41:56,860 --> 01:42:01,100
You can develop those who has the best policies out there that they can bring those into your

1247
01:42:01,100 --> 01:42:05,980
organization and get those implemented as quickly as possible. So we see that being a short term fix

1248
01:42:05,980 --> 01:42:11,140
and that connection with OSCA or even the circuit court would be of benefit to your court system.

1249
01:42:11,140 --> 01:42:17,160
And I think my next question was going to be so do you think the circuit court court court

1250
01:42:17,160 --> 01:42:22,040
could help or is municipal that much different than circuit that they cannot?

1251
01:42:22,420 --> 01:42:25,660
And I apologize because I was having microphone issues at first.

1252
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:30,120
I think the chart that will really help you is that one of the first charts that I was in my presentation

1253
01:42:30,120 --> 01:42:31,940
talked about the divided responsibilities.

1254
01:42:32,760 --> 01:42:37,480
Ultimately, your municipal court judges do report to the presiding judge of the circuit court.

1255
01:42:37,480 --> 01:42:43,040
So that's a natural place if they're struggling with something if they need help with an issue that they should go

1256
01:42:43,040 --> 01:42:47,340
but they can also provide tremendous support and resources to your court.

1257
01:42:49,540 --> 01:42:50,540
Thank you.

1258
01:42:51,060 --> 01:42:53,500
I need to read just my notes and then I'll come back.

1259
01:42:53,800 --> 01:42:54,480
Thank you.

1260
01:42:55,880 --> 01:42:58,580
Councilmember Carlisle, do you want to yield your time to Councilmember Adkins?

1261
01:42:58,820 --> 01:42:59,160
Who's next?

1262
01:42:59,460 --> 01:43:00,180
Yes, please.

1263
01:43:00,940 --> 01:43:01,120
Yeah.

1264
01:43:01,480 --> 01:43:01,840
Thank you.

1265
01:43:02,100 --> 01:43:02,880
Councilmember Adkins?

1266
01:43:03,600 --> 01:43:03,980
Go ahead.

1267
01:43:05,420 --> 01:43:25,760
Hi, thank you. Thank you, my work, Mayor Prism. I had a few different questions, and as I was reading through the online report, you know, the full report, a reference to a lot of procedural differences between the staffing, the court administrator and our assistant city manager.

1268
01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:37,760
And it seemed to reference a breakdown of communication, or a breakdown of who was in charge of what internally, and I'm curious about the status of this, are these.

1269
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:42,600
Is that, do we have effective leadership in there currently?

1270
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:52,180
Employee wise staff wise, is this something that's currently functional, or is it recommended that we make changes to to staff?

1271
01:43:52,180 --> 01:43:54,680
What was that portion of the report?

1272
01:43:55,100 --> 01:43:56,340
I think it's a big question for the first.

1273
01:43:56,900 --> 01:43:57,000
Yeah.

1274
01:43:58,060 --> 01:43:59,280
Councilmember Mackins, Mark Netting.

1275
01:44:00,780 --> 01:44:02,160
So that's kind of been.

1276
01:44:04,020 --> 01:44:04,060
It's coming.

1277
01:44:04,320 --> 01:44:05,460
It's coming gone.

1278
01:44:06,240 --> 01:44:06,760
I would say.

1279
01:44:08,160 --> 01:44:10,800
So that's something we haven't implemented.

1280
01:44:11,380 --> 01:44:12,600
And we need to work on.

1281
01:44:13,500 --> 01:44:15,960
I would say that over the last couple of years,

1282
01:44:16,540 --> 01:44:20,040
that that liaison and those regular meetings have not been occurring.

1283
01:44:20,040 --> 01:44:22,640
And so we need to get back into that space.

1284
01:44:24,040 --> 01:44:26,740
For two years, there hasn't been a liaison.

1285
01:44:27,540 --> 01:44:32,400
Well, it's been since I've been, well, it's been longer than that.

1286
01:44:32,620 --> 01:44:34,000
Well, I would say this.

1287
01:44:34,360 --> 01:44:37,240
Have we had somebody that's available for a liaison?

1288
01:44:37,680 --> 01:44:37,780
Yes.

1289
01:44:37,900 --> 01:44:41,940
But has it been fully implemented to the extent that we need to be?

1290
01:44:43,580 --> 01:44:44,500
We need to work on that.

1291
01:44:44,900 --> 01:44:46,060
What's the role of a liaison?

1292
01:44:46,960 --> 01:44:47,320
Like frequency?

1293
01:44:47,320 --> 01:44:54,860
what is. Yeah, we'll think of think of what we're working on here as multi-faceted, right?

1294
01:44:55,140 --> 01:44:59,960
Judges oversee the court functions. The court administrator oversees the court staff.

1295
01:45:00,000 --> 01:45:15,260
But the city supports those operations. So if we're not coordinated on what the needs are to make that overall operation run, then things can get out of whack. And so the more that we're coordinated and synced up, the better the operation runs.

1296
01:45:16,700 --> 01:45:24,040
So as we move forward and accepting any of the recommendations that are in the report, is this staffing mechanism,

1297
01:45:26,080 --> 01:45:44,020
something that is, I mean, this report came out in February, is this handled yet, like what, this seems like an internal process that is that needs supervision, what can, what is what is happening with this, like what it, this seems more problematic than the rest of it.

1298
01:45:44,020 --> 01:45:51,520
they all of it seems problematic, but this the slack of lays on or coordination or a staff person

1299
01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:56,820
fulfilling their role like what it this seems like a larger problem than the rest of the problems.

1300
01:45:57,260 --> 01:46:03,900
Yep, and as we've heard from the judges too, more time for them to have that capacity to have

1301
01:46:03,900 --> 01:46:10,060
those types of meetings as well, right? So it's a lot a lot of us coming together to make commitments

1302
01:46:10,060 --> 01:46:11,780
to do this work together.

1303
01:46:15,450 --> 01:46:18,990
Because the judges need to have time to meet with the liaison or because the liaison isn't

1304
01:46:18,990 --> 01:46:20,870
available or what's happening.

1305
01:46:21,910 --> 01:46:27,670
Both the judges are spending their time on those court days per week, numerous hours if

1306
01:46:27,670 --> 01:46:28,530
you've heard.

1307
01:46:28,830 --> 01:46:33,290
And so they don't have that ability to step out of the courtroom and do more of some of

1308
01:46:33,290 --> 01:46:36,870
these administrative supervisory oversight functions.

1309
01:46:37,610 --> 01:46:48,810
And that's what you're hearing from the RAF tell us folks is breaking that workload up more and having more administrative time with the staff, the court staff and with the liaison.

1310
01:46:49,850 --> 01:46:55,050
Okay, and then do the judges need to be present in order for the court administrator to supervise the staff?

1311
01:46:55,890 --> 01:47:06,850
No. The court administrator oversees the court staff, the judges in the municipal court functions oversee the court administrator in the staff.

1312
01:47:09,690 --> 01:47:18,330
Okay, so that are the court administrators able to continue to meet with the staff, even if the judges haven't doubled their days yet, or.

1313
01:47:18,530 --> 01:47:20,990
Yes, those functions can take place.

1314
01:47:23,370 --> 01:47:32,060
But I think generally what we noticed was there was a lack of strategic thinking and part of that, a big part of it was no one had the time to actually do that.

1315
01:47:32,060 --> 01:47:37,880
But people recognize that there are needs for policies, better procedures, cross-training,

1316
01:47:38,200 --> 01:47:41,440
but there really had never been the time to actually sit down and have those discussions.

1317
01:47:42,080 --> 01:47:47,060
I think the linkage between the city liaison and the courts and important one, because

1318
01:47:47,060 --> 01:47:49,400
it can help provide that leadership to drive changes.

1319
01:47:50,240 --> 01:47:53,700
That person can make sure that the court has the resources that needs if it's a technology

1320
01:47:54,220 --> 01:47:55,380
need that they have.

1321
01:47:55,400 --> 01:47:59,160
They're going to be more capable of driving that through the city organization and helping

1322
01:47:59,160 --> 01:48:00,760
to ensure that that's in the next budget.

1323
01:48:01,380 --> 01:48:04,180
I'm processed, they can help them with some of the personal management issues.

1324
01:48:05,140 --> 01:48:09,400
So having that time for people to really talk and strategize and develop systems, better

1325
01:48:09,400 --> 01:48:10,700
systems is really important.

1326
01:48:12,020 --> 01:48:16,060
Councillor Member, it seems like you were maybe asking sort of two separate questions.

1327
01:48:16,420 --> 01:48:21,320
One about the liaison role, which I believe would be something like the Assistant City Manager

1328
01:48:21,320 --> 01:48:26,160
or City Manager level, and the second one about the on-the-ground court staffs that are

1329
01:48:26,160 --> 01:48:32,860
supervised by the Court Administrator, which they are city employees, but it's a separate

1330
01:48:32,860 --> 01:48:36,620
role from the liaison role that's kind of someone that's more in leadership.

1331
01:48:36,820 --> 01:48:40,740
Did you want to ask questions about both of those, or it just seemed like maybe you were

1332
01:48:40,740 --> 01:48:41,820
kind of getting into both areas?

1333
01:48:42,840 --> 01:48:50,200
Yeah, I'm just looking for clarity that both of those things are being handled before we even

1334
01:48:50,200 --> 01:48:56,040
resources to hire other people and wondering what would keep us from activating those,

1335
01:48:56,840 --> 01:49:04,960
from making sure that those staff people are optimized and doing what their roles call for,

1336
01:49:04,960 --> 01:49:11,460
and if Mr. Gandhi is saying that part of it is time from the judges to be able to have time

1337
01:49:11,460 --> 01:49:15,660
during the week to do those things, then that's one thing. But if there's inefficiencies in the way that

1338
01:49:15,660 --> 01:49:24,640
staff is currently overseeing the or the Administrator or Assistant City Manager if there's

1339
01:49:24,640 --> 01:49:27,780
inefficiencies in the way that they are working with staff that is not have to do with the

1340
01:49:27,780 --> 01:49:36,000
judges. I just want to make sure that that's happening as quickly as possible. Is it okay if I

1341
01:49:36,000 --> 01:49:40,020
ask for Judge Lopez to come and to the podium? Certainly.

1342
01:49:45,120 --> 01:49:49,380
Yes. Good evening. Hi. Judge Lopez would you

1343
01:49:51,000 --> 01:49:58,460
Would you mind giving feedback about the report in terms of, you know, it's broken down into five major sections?

1344
01:49:58,700 --> 01:49:59,980
I mean, is this the report that you,

1345
01:50:00,000 --> 01:50:10,580
We expected to see you to come up with more things that you hadn't even thought of or can you give your feedback in terms of if you agree or disagree with each portion of the report.

1346
01:50:11,260 --> 01:50:18,740
Well, one thing I wanted to correct is Mr. Donut, you mentioned that we had gotten two additional full-time employees.

1347
01:50:20,800 --> 01:50:23,180
That was kind of surprising to Judal Terranai.

1348
01:50:23,640 --> 01:50:25,900
We have, we just have six people I don't.

1349
01:50:26,120 --> 01:50:29,100
Where are the two full time employees that we have now?

1350
01:50:30,380 --> 01:50:33,380
I mean, we hired a bailiff, but we already had that bail of position on that bail

1351
01:50:33,380 --> 01:50:33,720
of left.

1352
01:50:33,860 --> 01:50:35,760
Is that what you're counting a new full time employer?

1353
01:50:36,500 --> 01:50:37,380
I'm just asking.

1354
01:50:37,520 --> 01:50:38,360
I don't know what.

1355
01:50:40,390 --> 01:50:40,670
All right.

1356
01:50:40,990 --> 01:50:41,010
No.

1357
01:50:42,190 --> 01:50:46,930
So, FTE's allocated, not that the employees are over there right now, but through this budget,

1358
01:50:47,230 --> 01:50:49,610
which just started July 1st.

1359
01:50:49,610 --> 01:50:56,690
the ability to bring on more clerks and to make the halftime clerk a full-time clerk.

1360
01:50:57,070 --> 01:51:02,790
Things of that nature. So two FTEs allocated to the courts to help with these recommendations.

1361
01:51:03,990 --> 01:51:08,890
Okay. Well, we just, we were really surprised. We didn't know that nobody had communicated with us.

1362
01:51:08,890 --> 01:51:10,650
And that kind of goes back to that whole conversation.

1363
01:51:12,110 --> 01:51:18,330
We don't really, I know this isn't really answering your question, but I don't really know who our liaison is with the court.

1364
01:51:18,330 --> 01:51:22,650
Um, we don't have one, we don't have anyone we really can call.

1365
01:51:22,910 --> 01:51:25,990
There's no meetings that we've, I've never had one meeting with anybody who's

1366
01:51:25,990 --> 01:51:31,490
old liaison for the court about anything other than we were trying to work on getting the

1367
01:51:31,490 --> 01:51:35,070
additional court days and things like that.

1368
01:51:35,550 --> 01:51:42,890
Um, but as far as the report, um, I think does all Terry and I don't agree with a lot of

1369
01:51:43,730 --> 01:51:48,570
some of it. We feel like if the numbers show we need 5.4

1370
01:51:48,570 --> 01:51:52,410
current days per week, we shouldn't be conservative and start at 4.

1371
01:51:53,270 --> 01:51:57,290
The city is continuing to grow. Our numbers are not going to go down.

1372
01:51:57,490 --> 01:52:02,330
We're continuing to increase our population. People, we're in the middle of three

1373
01:52:02,330 --> 01:52:07,150
different highways. People are coming here from all over the city to use our

1374
01:52:07,150 --> 01:52:10,950
resources, but they're all also coming here and getting tickets and stealing from

1375
01:52:10,950 --> 01:52:16,050
stores and things like that. So our numbers are going to continue to go up. So in the fact

1376
01:52:16,050 --> 01:52:22,010
that it's taken us two years to get to this point, I don't think we are able to keep coming

1377
01:52:22,010 --> 01:52:28,790
back and redoing this and the amount of time that it's taken us to get this part. I don't want

1378
01:52:28,790 --> 01:52:35,250
to start conservative. I would like to go with what the numbers say. I don't know that there

1379
01:52:35,250 --> 01:52:40,730
are there are any retired judges out there that know the current system, everything's been updated

1380
01:52:40,730 --> 01:52:44,830
than last few years that could come in and help us out.

1381
01:52:45,190 --> 01:52:49,470
Oskah doesn't have any clerks that can just come out and start working with our court

1382
01:52:49,470 --> 01:52:50,270
to help us.

1383
01:52:50,410 --> 01:52:53,710
We have work with Oskah, a lot of the things that are on this report.

1384
01:52:54,030 --> 01:52:56,170
As Mr. Dining said, we have corrected.

1385
01:52:57,670 --> 01:53:02,930
We have a new court administrator in place and she's been working very diligently with this

1386
01:53:02,930 --> 01:53:07,950
report since December to try to correct some of the deficiencies, a lot of the things that

1387
01:53:07,950 --> 01:53:13,970
we're on here. We've corrected the cash handling. We have we have we've got this we

1388
01:53:13,970 --> 01:53:18,490
had somebody from city budget has been sitting over there with us trying to get all of these reports.

1389
01:53:18,810 --> 01:53:25,590
So our financial management system is in line more with what the city is doing our cash handling

1390
01:53:25,590 --> 01:53:30,770
is more in line with the city is doing and I think the you know all of our reports are now going

1391
01:53:30,770 --> 01:53:35,950
to the city which they weren't before we didn't know they weren't before because no one had told

1392
01:53:35,950 --> 01:53:42,910
We were completely unaware that there were some financial irregularities because nobody had told us.

1393
01:53:43,130 --> 01:53:47,130
And so we were unaware of that and as soon as a jettles here and I were informed of that,

1394
01:53:47,250 --> 01:53:53,530
we did get additional support from the city to come over and help us to get all that straightened out.

1395
01:53:53,690 --> 01:53:55,990
I think they have access to our bank records and all that.

1396
01:53:56,150 --> 01:53:57,010
You have to release also.

1397
01:53:57,250 --> 01:54:01,950
There is a, we are part of the judiciary and so we are not,

1398
01:54:01,950 --> 01:54:08,170
not we don't answer to the city finance department, the city finance department doesn't answer to us.

1399
01:54:08,450 --> 01:54:15,310
Our funds go into the city budget, but they don't have access to all the reports that we generate.

1400
01:54:15,770 --> 01:54:21,010
And Oscar will not provide them because there are some confidentiality things in there.

1401
01:54:21,750 --> 01:54:25,970
So anyway, we are making all of the documents necessary that they need.

1402
01:54:25,970 --> 01:54:30,210
available to them and we've given them all the documentation they need and we're trying to

1403
01:54:30,210 --> 01:54:34,750
accommodate all of the requests and I think we have. But the internal process,

1404
01:54:35,530 --> 01:54:41,170
it is, I don't think the issues with the liaison have anything to do with Judge Altarian

1405
01:54:41,170 --> 01:54:46,070
either because we don't even know who are liaison is. And I think if she was up here and if she was

1406
01:54:46,070 --> 01:54:54,050
to come up here, we have really not ever had meetings with anyone at the city to even inform us.

1407
01:54:54,050 --> 01:54:59,550
I've only been in the judge role for two years now, and we've never set down a met with anyone who's explained.

1408
01:55:00,000 --> 01:55:07,680
How any of the processes work for them to ask us to provide any documents and tell, you know, and here recently.

1409
01:55:09,480 --> 01:55:15,760
And so it seems your question, you know, we don't really have a liaison. I think somebody was assigned and nothing was happening.

1410
01:55:16,580 --> 01:55:22,080
I think Mark has Mr. Dining has kind of taken over that role, maybe.

1411
01:55:22,560 --> 01:55:37,320
But certainly I don't think it should be his responsibility as city manager to be the one coming over to the court and making sure that we have access to the resources we need and access that they are getting access to what they need.

1412
01:55:37,400 --> 01:55:42,520
I think we should have somebody assigned to us directly that can work with our staff and work with the judges.

1413
01:55:43,040 --> 01:55:44,240
I don't know if that answered our question.

1414
01:55:45,660 --> 01:55:54,800
Yeah, that does help a lot, and so I, Mr. Dunny, I assume that we'll, we'll be talking about

1415
01:55:54,800 --> 01:56:01,180
this about who, who, who was the liaison? Who was the liaison? Like, why, why would they not know

1416
01:56:01,180 --> 01:56:06,000
who their liaison is? Yeah, right now there is liaison, but it's, it's not working.

1417
01:56:08,530 --> 01:56:09,070
Okay, so this

1418
01:56:09,070 --> 01:56:15,830
is a change that's happening soon quickly in the next month, or what is the action plan for addressing

1419
01:56:15,830 --> 01:56:19,370
now. I need to develop that plan.

1420
01:56:21,990 --> 01:56:27,490
And one other thing, the circuit court, their functions are so different from what we do.

1421
01:56:27,510 --> 01:56:31,950
I don't know that they're going to be a really great resource for us to come in and help us

1422
01:56:31,950 --> 01:56:36,790
manage our documents. We just managing our documents better requires more court dates and more

1423
01:56:36,790 --> 01:56:44,750
staff and more probation officers. And I agree with what Miss Carlisle said, you know, if we are

1424
01:56:44,750 --> 01:56:54,410
running 7 or 800 probationers per probation officer and the standard is, and I didn't

1425
01:56:54,410 --> 01:56:59,590
write the number down, I think, because they said 45 to 100 or something, we do need more

1426
01:56:59,590 --> 01:57:00,390
probation officers.

1427
01:57:00,650 --> 01:57:06,070
And I think that would really alleviate their overtime and all the things that they're having

1428
01:57:06,070 --> 01:57:10,830
to do on their off days and working over the weekends and all that.

1429
01:57:11,530 --> 01:57:18,530
Thank you, Judge. If you can hang on and like to ask Ms. Carlisle again to give feedback on what you to send Ms.

1430
01:57:22,620 --> 01:57:23,060
Carlisle.

1431
01:57:23,160 --> 01:57:23,900
Are you all right?

1432
01:57:24,020 --> 01:57:25,880
Would you be able to remember Carlisle?

1433
01:57:27,520 --> 01:57:27,720
We don't.

1434
01:57:28,300 --> 01:57:29,320
No, I'm sorry.

1435
01:57:29,540 --> 01:57:29,860
I'm sorry.

1436
01:57:31,840 --> 01:57:32,380
I'm sorry.

1437
01:57:32,560 --> 01:57:33,880
The presentation.

1438
01:57:34,360 --> 01:57:34,680
I'm sorry.

1439
01:57:34,800 --> 01:57:35,280
I don't mean Ms. Carlisle.

1440
01:57:39,400 --> 01:57:39,620
The consent.

1441
01:57:39,660 --> 01:57:39,980
The consent.

1442
01:57:41,180 --> 01:57:47,580
If the presenter could please clarify or please respond to what Judge said about

1443
01:57:47,580 --> 01:57:52,240
in having clerks available or having judges in the area who would know how to manage the system.

1444
01:57:53,720 --> 01:57:57,160
What do you think about finding resources of humans that can come?

1445
01:57:57,380 --> 01:58:04,580
Under the Missouri State statutes, your municipal court officers report to the presiding judge of the circuit court.

1446
01:58:04,980 --> 01:58:08,380
I certainly think the circuit court can provide some assistance with documents.

1447
01:58:08,760 --> 01:58:17,560
They also have a variety of policies, if they were to implement those, they might help with reducing some of the

1448
01:58:17,560 --> 01:58:21,680
which is developed in most courts, he could probably receive a copy of that, and I would not

1449
01:58:21,680 --> 01:58:24,940
suggest that you start from scratch. There's no reason to do that. There are plenty of

1450
01:58:24,940 --> 01:58:29,760
examples. But setting reasonable deadlines, those are all things that other court rooms

1451
01:58:29,760 --> 01:58:33,620
have implemented to help move the case load further.

1452
01:58:35,120 --> 01:58:39,820
Sure. But in terms of, yeah, because that is definitely, you know, I did read that report that

1453
01:58:39,820 --> 01:58:45,280
creating the procedures is one thing and so who does that? Is that the court administrator? Is that

1454
01:58:45,280 --> 01:58:51,720
lays on who is, well, ideally doing it on a regular basis of the court administrator would be assigning

1455
01:58:51,720 --> 01:58:57,480
various staff members who had particular expertise, but because there's such a void of policies

1456
01:58:57,480 --> 01:59:02,660
and procedures, we're suggesting that you bring someone in that can do that for you very quickly.

1457
01:59:02,700 --> 01:59:07,100
If there's someone on staff that could do that, that would be ideal, but our sense was that there was

1458
01:59:07,100 --> 01:59:11,020
no one that had the time right now to do it because of the backlog, and that's why we recommended

1459
01:59:11,020 --> 01:59:15,680
bringing someone in with that expertise to do it and get it done fast. Now that's the

1460
01:59:15,680 --> 01:59:19,980
living document. So as things change, someone needs to be looking at those documents and

1461
01:59:19,980 --> 01:59:23,900
revising them, making sure the policies are still meeting the current needs. But I think

1462
01:59:23,900 --> 01:59:27,020
you need something to start with pretty quickly sooner than later.

1463
01:59:29,500 --> 01:59:30,640
Yeah, I agree.

1464
01:59:31,660 --> 01:59:38,940
The other thing is, oh, go ahead. You're a little bit delayed, I think. And with respect to the

1465
01:59:38,940 --> 01:59:45,100
system. We don't disagree that there is, you know, a horizon for some of these recommendations,

1466
01:59:46,380 --> 01:59:51,280
but the probation program also needs to have some suggestions or some policies about

1467
01:59:51,280 --> 01:59:56,760
when cases are referred to a probation. You know, we asked, is there a procedure for what kinds

1468
01:59:56,760 --> 01:59:59,660
of cases specifically good approvations versus those that are not?

1469
02:00:02,560 --> 02:00:06,720
So, even having a policy that guides that could help with some of their case loads?

1470
02:00:08,540 --> 02:00:14,300
Okay, and is this the type of thing that you have created a timeline for a reasonable expectation

1471
02:00:14,300 --> 02:00:20,500
for how long this timeline could be implemented or just when you communicate with Mr. Dunning about this?

1472
02:00:20,740 --> 02:00:26,960
Yes, so as I illustrated when we think about this kind of organizational change and it is significant.

1473
02:00:27,700 --> 02:00:33,000
We think in terms of five-year blocks, really, to implement the totality of the recommendations.

1474
02:00:33,520 --> 02:00:39,460
What we would prioritize immediately are the additional capacity as the organization has already

1475
02:00:39,460 --> 02:00:43,180
started moving on, that the multiple conversations and meetings that we've been involved

1476
02:00:43,180 --> 02:00:49,440
in through the course of this project, between both the city manager's office and folks and the municipal

1477
02:00:49,440 --> 02:00:54,440
court folks, that there's perceptible movement on those recommendations.

1478
02:00:54,440 --> 02:00:59,600
Now, whether there's an individual, we don't know what your recruitment market is in terms

1479
02:00:59,600 --> 02:01:03,340
of bringing in that extra help, so could be a firm, could be a municipal court judge,

1480
02:01:03,420 --> 02:01:07,100
could be support from the circuit court. There are multiple avenues that need to be pursued.

1481
02:01:07,760 --> 02:01:11,700
Ultimately, that needs to be pursued by the municipal court staff, by the court administrator.

1482
02:01:13,420 --> 02:01:18,020
So, you know, those are critical first pieces. It takes time to fill positions.

1483
02:01:18,180 --> 02:01:23,900
It takes time to bring those positions up to speed to be fully effective. So, recognizing that,

1484
02:01:23,900 --> 02:01:27,900
just think it's important to understand that there'll be a sequence in timeline to get this done.

1485
02:01:28,200 --> 02:01:30,700
You can't really flip a switch in all of its time tomorrow.

1486
02:01:31,120 --> 02:01:34,580
You can't remember, I'd can't say I believe Mr. Dunning sort of references earlier.

1487
02:01:34,700 --> 02:01:37,260
There is an implementation action plan, I believe it's called.

1488
02:01:37,580 --> 02:01:42,320
It contains some recommendations that are considered a close record since they deal with certain

1489
02:01:42,320 --> 02:01:48,860
sensitive matters, so that's been emailed to you to review and that does have some kind

1490
02:01:48,860 --> 02:01:53,800
of timelines like we recommend this within X number of months, this within a year, that kind

1491
02:01:53,800 --> 02:01:58,480
that might be something to look at later. They give some more specific recommendations.

1492
02:01:59,320 --> 02:02:02,520
And I think we'll probably have a chance to discuss that in a close session at some point.

1493
02:02:02,680 --> 02:02:04,100
So it does contain some more sensitive.

1494
02:02:05,200 --> 02:02:09,040
And one of the things that I would just emphasize about that action plan, which we provided,

1495
02:02:09,260 --> 02:02:13,520
it's our initial cut, but it has to be integrated with all the other work that you're accomplishing as a city.

1496
02:02:14,120 --> 02:02:18,700
Right? So what we would expect, we would characterize that as a draft implementation plan.

1497
02:02:18,700 --> 02:02:24,520
It would be a living document that you're a city manager, that your judges would work on together to develop.

1498
02:02:24,820 --> 02:02:30,560
All right, when are we going to execute what resources do we need to commit, what's our core kind of critical path to getting some of these things done?

1499
02:02:31,200 --> 02:02:32,580
And it's a tool for accountability.

1500
02:02:33,060 --> 02:02:36,340
How are we really doing in a year, in two years?

1501
02:02:36,560 --> 02:02:40,280
In six months a year, two years toward the implementation of those recommendations.

1502
02:02:41,380 --> 02:02:41,780
Thank you.

1503
02:02:41,860 --> 02:02:45,280
So you've laid out a strategic plan for the court improvements.

1504
02:02:45,280 --> 02:02:49,820
and I did receive the email, but it was about an hour and a half before the meeting started

1505
02:02:49,820 --> 02:02:56,240
so I haven't had a chance to read through all of it, and so that plan lays out the next two

1506
02:02:56,240 --> 02:03:02,720
years worth of implementation. So at this point, do you stay involved as we go forward or is it a

1507
02:03:02,720 --> 02:03:09,120
staff issue now? This is a hand-off point for us. So we provided you a path forward. We're certainly

1508
02:03:09,120 --> 02:03:14,420
available to provide support down the road. I mean, we're not kind of contract municipal attorney,

1509
02:03:14,420 --> 02:03:15,720
so we wouldn't fill that role.

1510
02:03:16,780 --> 02:03:18,640
But in terms of answering questions, clarification,

1511
02:03:19,740 --> 02:03:21,880
we don't charge for phone calls as a,

1512
02:03:21,880 --> 02:03:23,280
maybe a badly time joke.

1513
02:03:27,360 --> 02:03:29,440
All right, well, thank you all so far.

1514
02:03:29,460 --> 02:03:30,860
I have a ton more questions,

1515
02:03:31,040 --> 02:03:32,700
but I'll be all wait my turn

1516
02:03:32,700 --> 02:03:34,520
and let everyone else continue speaking.

1517
02:03:35,000 --> 02:03:37,760
So thank you all for your time and thank you more part,

1518
02:03:38,640 --> 02:03:39,720
more, thank you Mayor Pro Tem.

1519
02:03:40,340 --> 02:03:41,340
Thank you, Councilmember.

1520
02:03:42,060 --> 02:03:44,000
Councilmember Carlisle, you had yielded your time

1521
02:03:44,000 --> 02:03:46,180
earlier, do you want to, okay, keep going on.

1522
02:03:46,260 --> 02:03:47,860
Councilmember Funk, you're next on the list.

1523
02:03:50,100 --> 02:03:50,640
Thank you.

1524
02:03:50,940 --> 02:03:55,600
Two of them, sheels, um, so did you, you guys

1525
02:03:55,600 --> 02:03:59,020
did not communicate with city staff at all through this process?

1526
02:03:59,200 --> 02:04:00,980
You just simply reviewed the courts.

1527
02:04:02,540 --> 02:04:04,820
We had a number of conversations with city staff

1528
02:04:04,820 --> 02:04:08,220
and stakeholders and key voices and roles who provide support

1529
02:04:08,220 --> 02:04:09,000
for the courts, yes.

1530
02:04:09,060 --> 02:04:12,660
But our focus of our analysis was not on the other departments

1531
02:04:12,660 --> 02:04:14,960
that provides support, it was on the municipal court.

1532
02:04:16,180 --> 02:04:19,740
When you say key stakeholders, or are you talking about,

1533
02:04:20,640 --> 02:04:23,680
like Mr. Dunning, the finance department,

1534
02:04:24,140 --> 02:04:25,860
those folks where you're key stakeholders

1535
02:04:25,860 --> 02:04:26,960
with city staff?

1536
02:04:27,280 --> 02:04:27,560
Yes.

1537
02:04:29,180 --> 02:04:29,400
OK.

1538
02:04:33,770 --> 02:04:40,410
When you say, I mean, I'm kind of, Judge Lopez mentioned,

1539
02:04:41,230 --> 02:04:43,850
why do four days when you're telling us to do five?

1540
02:04:43,850 --> 02:04:48,350
That makes zero sense, let me give you the context of why.

1541
02:04:49,550 --> 02:04:55,490
So the 5.4 days, that's based off of peer benchmark, it's based off of benchmarking data.

1542
02:04:57,010 --> 02:04:59,970
We are always extremely cautious about utilizing...

1543
02:05:00,000 --> 02:05:06,400
Bence marking data to support a firm staffing recommendation, because we don't review the operation of those other departments. We don't have

1544
02:05:06,400 --> 02:05:13,360
a sense of what their workload is, how well they're doing it. It's a starting point, and it's a comparator. Our fundamental need to define, all right,

1545
02:05:13,380 --> 02:05:26,800
what is the specific staffing need that you all have is data from your all's workload, which was lacking. OK, so when we look at Bence Morcanda data, and we look at, and we have conversations around what the overall case load is, we can't really answer the question,

1546
02:05:27,360 --> 02:05:33,520
are we seeing individual cases or individual cases coming for the court far more often than

1547
02:05:33,520 --> 02:05:35,360
maybe they are in another courts, right?

1548
02:05:35,420 --> 02:05:39,240
First, we can't answer those specific questions, which means we're not going to go out on

1549
02:05:39,240 --> 02:05:44,160
a limb and say implement a benchmark number of 5.4 because that may be excessive for what

1550
02:05:44,160 --> 02:05:45,240
your workload drivers are.

1551
02:05:46,000 --> 02:05:52,220
So that's partly why we think there is capacity based on all sorts of factors, all sorts

1552
02:05:52,220 --> 02:05:54,740
of corresponding indicators, okay?

1553
02:05:54,740 --> 02:06:08,360
The benchmarking indicator is one of many that we look at, and we've made, we believe there's a capacity need, but we would not at this point, believe we have sufficient data to say that you need 5.4 court days.

1554
02:06:09,180 --> 02:06:10,300
I hope that answers the very correct.

1555
02:06:13,640 --> 02:06:20,240
Somewhat, I'm sure you looked at the whole ramification of the courts.

1556
02:06:20,240 --> 02:06:23,780
the finances, what the cases are turned in over all that.

1557
02:06:23,800 --> 02:06:26,020
Do you think this court system is self-fundable?

1558
02:06:27,780 --> 02:06:31,760
We saw generally the yes to your fine revenue, it was sufficient to cover the court

1559
02:06:31,760 --> 02:06:32,240
operation.

1560
02:06:32,780 --> 02:06:39,720
So generally speaking yes, but I would just echo what Jonathan said, but there were some

1561
02:06:39,720 --> 02:06:44,880
data gaps, you know, we were also aware of some findings about funds being held.

1562
02:06:45,100 --> 02:06:49,100
And so again, we were conservatively saying yes, we think that the court can't be self-sustaining.

1563
02:06:51,640 --> 02:07:00,780
And then some of your studies, this is probably an opinion thing from you, all of the

1564
02:07:00,780 --> 02:07:06,740
competitors that you used, I don't ever like to compare us to Kansas City but some of

1565
02:07:06,740 --> 02:07:14,340
the municipalities that have generally the same population, none of those have elected judges.

1566
02:07:14,340 --> 02:07:19,500
How often, I mean, is this a rare case, I think there was only two in your study that I don't know about it.

1567
02:07:19,500 --> 02:07:21,020
There were two in our study.

1568
02:07:21,620 --> 02:07:25,160
I have experienced in California courts where I'm licensed to practice,

1569
02:07:26,400 --> 02:07:29,240
rare that the municipal courts have elected judges anymore.

1570
02:07:29,720 --> 02:07:36,100
I think more common years and years ago, but many organizations are moving to appointed positions.

1571
02:07:40,050 --> 02:07:45,790
Mayor Prochum, I don't know if you are we going to travel down the road of

1572
02:07:45,790 --> 02:07:53,470
We want to save for a close session, get through some other documents that we have and maybe have a little bit longer time to swallow.

1573
02:07:54,210 --> 02:08:03,530
But talk about, I mean, I know one of the recommendations is we need to go to five court days and we've had this discussion with the judges openly.

1574
02:08:05,230 --> 02:08:12,310
The we want to travel down the road of discussing, I know back in November, Mr. Dunning,

1575
02:08:12,530 --> 02:08:17,170
when we had this conversation, we were supposed to be hiring a new attorney.

1576
02:08:17,310 --> 02:08:23,130
I think Mayor Barrett at the time said we needed a new attorney on staff to understand the

1577
02:08:23,130 --> 02:08:29,690
piece of the rules of where we can't compensate and where we can't compensate.

1578
02:08:31,670 --> 02:08:37,610
So, my thought generally about where we're at with this right now is tonight is about

1579
02:08:37,610 --> 02:08:45,130
understanding the core audit findings. Any discussion of additional compensation or additional

1580
02:08:45,590 --> 02:08:48,950
FTEs, things that would affect our budget and probably be a discussion for the finance and budget

1581
02:08:48,950 --> 02:08:49,450
committee.

1582
02:08:51,850 --> 02:08:55,150
I am, I was planning to ask Mr. Dunning at the end of this I wanted to give everybody

1583
02:08:55,150 --> 02:09:00,550
but to bring us back kind of a tracking chart more

1584
02:09:00,550 --> 02:09:03,250
more formal status of what each of the recommendations are.

1585
02:09:03,470 --> 02:09:05,210
And some more clarity about who is,

1586
02:09:06,190 --> 02:09:08,230
who has the authority to implement each of them.

1587
02:09:08,350 --> 02:09:12,170
I think some of the discussion that we've had is about what can we do

1588
02:09:12,170 --> 02:09:15,470
as a city, what can we do as a city council versus,

1589
02:09:15,770 --> 02:09:18,630
you know, where are we supporting the judges and decisions that they make?

1590
02:09:19,170 --> 02:09:22,590
So trying to get some more clarity on that as we continue to

1591
02:09:22,590 --> 02:09:30,490
to figure out how we can best be supportive without overstepping into what is the authority

1592
02:09:30,490 --> 02:09:34,390
of an independently affected, elected branch of government.

1593
02:09:35,010 --> 02:09:38,950
So I guess the short-answered question would be, we're probably not going to talk about

1594
02:09:38,950 --> 02:09:42,170
compensation tonight, except the finance and budget discussion for later.

1595
02:09:45,870 --> 02:09:58,210
I mean, I think council number icons hit on it, Mr. Dunning, I think one of the largest and fastest action items is we need to get a strong.

1596
02:10:00,000 --> 02:10:05,600
Line of communication between city hall and the court system.

1597
02:10:08,140 --> 02:10:11,240
I know what your plate looks like, that shouldn't be you.

1598
02:10:11,820 --> 02:10:13,080
That's my recommendation.

1599
02:10:15,320 --> 02:10:24,660
But I think that would help us get the feedback we need on a regular basis to get this, you know,

1600
02:10:24,660 --> 02:10:42,620
Mayor Protim is the boss here that can get this on an agenda item in the committee to start talking about the compensation pieces, but I think it would be extremely important to give us a little more time to absorb their action items that we just got.

1601
02:10:43,020 --> 02:10:51,420
But also, get somebody who's communicating on a regular basis with the court system and saying, hey, you know, this is where we are.

1602
02:10:51,420 --> 02:10:55,500
And this is what's going on and kind of start talking about those FTEs that have been

1603
02:10:55,500 --> 02:10:58,380
allotted to them and those kind of things.

1604
02:10:59,520 --> 02:11:07,320
And I think most generally all of my questions would probably fall toward our conversation

1605
02:11:07,320 --> 02:11:08,980
that would happen at Pline Answering Budget.

1606
02:11:09,860 --> 02:11:13,260
So I would thank you Mayor Prudim.

1607
02:11:13,660 --> 02:11:15,720
Thank you, Councillor member Craven.

1608
02:11:17,540 --> 02:11:23,780
Thanks for the presentation, and all of the commentary tonight, I think it was helpful, especially

1609
02:11:23,780 --> 02:11:29,720
for me, not hearing this for the first time, but kind of being present in this space.

1610
02:11:32,680 --> 02:11:40,320
I agree, I think the biggest word for me is capacity, the lack of capacity.

1611
02:11:40,460 --> 02:11:42,160
That is where our breakdown is.

1612
02:11:42,160 --> 02:11:54,820
When you don't have the adequate capacity, we are not supporting our municipalities system and obviously our judges are screaming to the top of the roof that they need support, they need help.

1613
02:11:55,520 --> 02:12:05,120
I think that there were a lot of, in my opinion, low hanging firm that we should be able to check off within a month or two.

1614
02:12:05,120 --> 02:12:12,780
I get five year plans and that it's a progression of things, but we need to be clear on where

1615
02:12:12,780 --> 02:12:20,060
the needle has already moved because I hear that progress and things have been taken place

1616
02:12:20,060 --> 02:12:22,380
already, but I'm also a reading body language.

1617
02:12:22,700 --> 02:12:28,980
So I'm looking at everybody in the audience in their expressions and it doesn't sound like

1618
02:12:28,980 --> 02:12:30,040
it's been moved a lot.

1619
02:12:30,040 --> 02:12:43,520
I do think that it is important that that city liaison because there's a disconnect, there just is like between the city and our judges in our court system.

1620
02:12:44,800 --> 02:12:50,920
I think that's the first step, getting someone in place who can really understand what is going on,

1621
02:12:51,220 --> 02:12:55,200
listen to the people who are involved in this process every single day,

1622
02:12:55,200 --> 02:13:05,540
And have someone help with these processes, it is impossible to act overworked employees to be a part of making this process work.

1623
02:13:05,560 --> 02:13:09,760
That's impossible to even think that that should have been happening.

1624
02:13:11,620 --> 02:13:14,440
So let's get whatever we need to do.

1625
02:13:14,540 --> 02:13:22,480
And first we need to know what are our roles, what can we help with, what is the city's role in helping fix this problem,

1626
02:13:22,480 --> 02:13:29,080
And what should we be focused on as a council to move this needle because I'm embarrassed.

1627
02:13:29,880 --> 02:13:41,580
I think that that was really painful to hear that, you know, the court times how we can't fit into the buildings we have lines wrapped around.

1628
02:13:41,620 --> 02:13:50,080
Because if we expect our citizens to uphold their end of the law, we have to provide a space for them.

1629
02:13:50,080 --> 02:13:52,400
You know, we have to uphold our responsibility too.

1630
02:13:53,580 --> 02:13:55,720
So I say all this to say, because I have a lot of stuff.

1631
02:13:55,800 --> 02:13:59,760
And I don't think that, you know, we have the time to discuss all of this stuff.

1632
02:13:59,900 --> 02:14:09,200
But this is, thanks for the, you know, the research and what you've provided today and what you're

1633
02:14:09,200 --> 02:14:10,560
handing off to us.

1634
02:14:10,920 --> 02:14:15,680
But the next steps are, what do we do next with this information?

1635
02:14:15,680 --> 02:14:27,660
And how do we ensure that the employees, the judges, are playing a big part in what this looks like moving forward?

1636
02:14:28,440 --> 02:14:31,540
So, that's what I challenge us to do.

1637
02:14:31,540 --> 02:14:33,200
And I think that that's our next step.

1638
02:14:33,260 --> 02:14:35,060
So, just to see this through.

1639
02:14:35,840 --> 02:14:42,720
And Mr. Dunning, hopefully you've been wrapping your head around how do we fix this liaison problem?

1640
02:14:44,880 --> 02:14:50,660
And when can we, you know, get somebody in that space, like yesterday, because I think

1641
02:14:50,660 --> 02:14:55,300
that if we don't have that and we don't start there, this is going to be slipped down the

1642
02:14:55,300 --> 02:14:59,980
cracks again and then we're going to be having another meeting saying how this is a bit

1643
02:15:00,000 --> 02:15:12,900
We've been pushed out even further. So that's where I want to see things move here in the next month.

1644
02:15:13,840 --> 02:15:17,420
Just kind of more conversation about around that piece. That's all I have.

1645
02:15:18,280 --> 02:15:18,680
Thank you.

1646
02:15:18,880 --> 02:15:21,940
Thank you, council member. Next is Ms. Frazier.

1647
02:15:23,000 --> 02:15:23,720
Thank you, Mayor Poetem.

1648
02:15:24,280 --> 02:15:31,500
I echo everything that's been said up here and something that stood out is what you said.

1649
02:15:31,500 --> 02:15:33,600
First of all, we don't have five years, we just don't.

1650
02:15:34,460 --> 02:15:40,780
And I was one of the folks that was sitting in the audience, was an October, November, wasn't

1651
02:15:40,780 --> 02:15:44,500
on the Council yet when this was discussed.

1652
02:15:44,600 --> 02:15:49,040
And I remember saying, oh my goodness, so here's my input.

1653
02:15:49,460 --> 02:15:55,820
What I've heard is that there are recommendations, some of those recommendations have been

1654
02:15:55,820 --> 02:15:58,380
implemented, no one knows what those are.

1655
02:15:58,380 --> 02:16:03,060
So we need to see that list and in order to move forward.

1656
02:16:03,600 --> 02:16:07,420
Strategically, as we've said, we need to be in a strategic role.

1657
02:16:07,600 --> 02:16:09,860
We need to look forward as to what's going on

1658
02:16:09,860 --> 02:16:12,020
or what we want our courts to look like.

1659
02:16:12,500 --> 02:16:18,180
I also heard that the typical case for the probation,

1660
02:16:18,540 --> 02:16:21,500
your folks are is 45, and you guys are doing 600.

1661
02:16:21,780 --> 02:16:23,540
Am I missing something here?

1662
02:16:23,860 --> 02:16:25,980
I'm not asking questions, that's what I heard.

1663
02:16:25,980 --> 02:16:34,360
If that's not correct let me know that is not sustainable I heard that as well and to echo

1664
02:16:35,760 --> 02:16:38,300
Councilmember Carlisle in that

1665
02:16:39,240 --> 02:16:47,180
It's interesting to go from you know to move one up to a a supervisory position when you have a case low like that it is it's just not sustainable

1666
02:16:47,980 --> 02:16:52,760
I have questions if if the show me court software is going to supplement

1667
02:16:54,780 --> 02:16:59,580
our processes and streamline our processes, let's do it, let's figure out how we can work

1668
02:16:59,580 --> 02:17:04,380
within those boundaries as well. But we need someone in that liaison position because

1669
02:17:04,380 --> 02:17:10,540
the left doesn't know what the right is doing. And we need to be able to move forward. That

1670
02:17:10,540 --> 02:17:16,120
being said, we also need to address the low hanging fruit. Whatever we can do now, whatever

1671
02:17:16,120 --> 02:17:20,760
we can do in the next month or two or whatnot. And I'm going to say whatever we can do

1672
02:17:20,760 --> 02:17:26,700
the next two months. For the time lying out there, let's do it for the low hanging group.

1673
02:17:26,820 --> 02:17:30,800
We can do things concurrently as well, while we're looking for someone, while we're meeting

1674
02:17:30,800 --> 02:17:35,140
with the budget and finance to address those particular issues regarding compensation and whatnot.

1675
02:17:35,460 --> 02:17:40,040
And I know some of these things will be addressed in close session, but that's what we need to

1676
02:17:40,040 --> 02:17:46,280
figure out where we can get the biggest bang for the buck. I am strong on suggestion planning,

1677
02:17:47,180 --> 02:17:53,040
on keeping our staff happy and that's a general term.

1678
02:17:53,640 --> 02:17:58,060
We also need to prepare for, you know, I say, you know, we talked about turnover earlier.

1679
02:17:58,380 --> 02:18:03,220
If one of those folks in probation and if they leave, we're in trouble.

1680
02:18:03,620 --> 02:18:07,560
And I don't know from an ordinance standpoint or from a statute standpoint how you can

1681
02:18:07,560 --> 02:18:13,400
continue if we lose a judge, you know, someone wins the lottery, then, you know, they're

1682
02:18:13,400 --> 02:18:13,780
gone.

1683
02:18:13,780 --> 02:18:19,060
if we lose a probation and parole person, we can't, it'll shut down and that's not fair

1684
02:18:19,060 --> 02:18:19,760
to our citizens.

1685
02:18:21,540 --> 02:18:28,700
We are moving past 100 and what is it, 110, 115,000 members in our community.

1686
02:18:28,940 --> 02:18:29,680
We know that.

1687
02:18:29,740 --> 02:18:31,320
We are filling that all over.

1688
02:18:31,780 --> 02:18:37,420
So I saw the data that was on there for, I think, in comparison for Olaitha, they have five

1689
02:18:37,420 --> 02:18:37,860
days.

1690
02:18:38,060 --> 02:18:38,840
We have two.

1691
02:18:38,840 --> 02:18:45,800
Now, I think their population is about 150, but don't think we're going to be there too.

1692
02:18:46,240 --> 02:18:47,980
So we need to address this now.

1693
02:18:48,160 --> 02:18:49,100
I don't understand.

1694
02:18:49,580 --> 02:18:51,580
Tell me what your ask is for us.

1695
02:18:51,780 --> 02:18:53,720
And maybe that's something that you can share with us.

1696
02:18:53,720 --> 02:18:56,080
Tell me what your ask is so that we can hit the ground running.

1697
02:19:01,250 --> 02:19:02,030
Do you have any further questions?

1698
02:19:02,190 --> 02:19:02,930
I don't.

1699
02:19:03,730 --> 02:19:07,070
Just as a point of clarification on the probation case load,

1700
02:19:07,250 --> 02:19:09,290
because there were a few different numbers thrown around.

1701
02:19:09,850 --> 02:19:14,130
If I was understand correctly, it kind of depends on the complexity of the cases, what the recommend it does.

1702
02:19:14,510 --> 02:19:16,750
Can you verify that just a little bit?

1703
02:19:17,010 --> 02:19:19,010
It sounds like regardless of the complexity level.

1704
02:19:19,150 --> 02:19:21,390
It is just a range of capacity, but...

1705
02:19:21,390 --> 02:19:23,950
Yeah, there's a range for records going to find the exact range for you.

1706
02:19:24,050 --> 02:19:25,030
But it's based on complexity.

1707
02:19:25,250 --> 02:19:31,590
The 45 cases actually refers to cases involving domestic violence or physical...

1708
02:19:31,590 --> 02:19:35,350
Again, those require a much more attention and she'll provide the high end number.

1709
02:19:35,350 --> 02:19:37,310
Yeah, in the report it talks about this.

1710
02:19:37,310 --> 02:19:42,370
the low risk case loads have recommended ratio of 200 cases for officer administrative or

1711
02:19:42,370 --> 02:19:47,870
minimal risk case loads have ratio of 175 to 300, especially cases such as domestic violence

1712
02:19:47,870 --> 02:19:53,330
is one, however, the 45 to 80 range. So what we had said in the report was almost of least

1713
02:19:53,330 --> 02:19:57,050
some of its cases would be considered low risk and we had passed some of the probation officers

1714
02:19:57,050 --> 02:19:58,890
for their assessment. It's hard to know of course.

1715
02:20:00,000 --> 02:20:04,540
Some are higher summer than the mental illness and the domestic violence cases that have that lower range.

1716
02:20:05,200 --> 02:20:11,900
So in all cases, it doesn't matter the case was higher than the thresholds, of course, even at the high end of 300, it's double.

1717
02:20:12,340 --> 02:20:29,120
And what would you consider a low risk or an inward administrative, is that like a D-D-Y, or like just a supervising, supervising someone on drug, they're required to go through some kind of a drug treatment program, supervising that to make sure that that happens.

1718
02:20:29,120 --> 02:20:32,000
So, do you driving under the influence or something of that nature?

1719
02:20:32,540 --> 02:20:33,460
Okay. Okay, thank you.

1720
02:20:33,760 --> 02:20:35,940
And we've talking adults, I'm sorry, just the...

1721
02:20:35,940 --> 02:20:36,900
Yeah, adults.

1722
02:20:37,300 --> 02:20:38,940
This is only an adult court, correct?

1723
02:20:38,960 --> 02:20:41,200
We don't handle juvenile cases or no.

1724
02:20:41,740 --> 02:20:42,460
It's adults.

1725
02:20:44,960 --> 02:20:47,280
Hopefully that offers a little bit of clarity.

1726
02:20:47,560 --> 02:20:50,060
But let's regard those, they're still well over that number.

1727
02:20:50,960 --> 02:20:56,190
And I still think we want to revisit the idea of what actually is a case that should be referred to probation anyway.

1728
02:20:56,920 --> 02:20:57,200
Okay.

1729
02:20:57,200 --> 02:21:03,620
Because some of the other recommendations that we've made really making that support network

1730
02:21:03,620 --> 02:21:08,460
system that you have available to you, the resource list, available some of that will also help.

1731
02:21:08,640 --> 02:21:13,540
I think sometimes people are being placed on probation, some of the officers commented just so that I could find a resource.

1732
02:21:14,240 --> 02:21:18,960
Well, we need to have those immediately available to people so that they're not having to find something unique to that individual.

1733
02:21:19,140 --> 02:21:21,780
There are a lot of programs that are available within the region.

1734
02:21:21,780 --> 02:21:30,940
Okay, thank you, I think everyone has had a chance to comment at least once so we can go back around Councilmember Carlisle.

1735
02:21:31,100 --> 02:21:32,020
Did you have additional questions?

1736
02:21:32,740 --> 02:21:33,640
Yes, thank you.

1737
02:21:34,000 --> 02:21:39,340
And I'm sorry for not thanking you for all of this work earlier and just jumping into my questions.

1738
02:21:39,520 --> 02:21:44,280
But thank you, I do understand this took a lot because there's a lot in here.

1739
02:21:46,640 --> 02:21:55,220
So if what I'm hearing after this all went around and came back, if we fully use the technology,

1740
02:21:55,540 --> 02:22:01,360
we have that are mandated by the courts for the court system to use, that's going to help us.

1741
02:22:01,360 --> 02:22:07,100
And if we clarify the policies and procedures, so like those need to be our first two things,

1742
02:22:07,600 --> 02:22:13,320
fully implement technology and get our policy and procedure book written so that everybody knows what's going on.

1743
02:22:13,320 --> 02:22:22,090
Right? Yes, those are critical. Okay. And then after that, it will be easiest, easier for us to know

1744
02:22:23,080 --> 02:22:32,040
what we really need. Like we might need two more probation officers. But we're not going to know that until we have the policies and procedures in place because

1745
02:22:33,440 --> 02:22:42,080
Some people are getting recommended for probation and there's no probation for them. So then it's just like a circle. Right.

1746
02:22:42,080 --> 02:22:49,020
I think Jonathan started the presentation by talking about hey we're also giving you the tools to forecast what your needs might be in the future.

1747
02:22:49,700 --> 02:22:54,020
I think probation is a good example of that but it's also with the judicial bench officers.

1748
02:22:54,480 --> 02:22:56,120
It's with your court clerk staffing.

1749
02:22:56,220 --> 02:23:02,940
I think creating those data systems so that you have good information to be able to evaluate what those case loads truly are.

1750
02:23:03,240 --> 02:23:07,020
Having policies in place that determine when something is referred for instance to probation.

1751
02:23:07,360 --> 02:23:11,840
All that will help you then have the tools to forecast into the future what your true needs are.

1752
02:23:12,300 --> 02:23:19,640
Okay, and that's why we try to be pretty conservative. Right, and those were like I think that was that very last of your

1753
02:23:21,720 --> 02:23:23,120
Slides like recommendation

1754
02:23:24,700 --> 02:23:30,300
262728 was that what was worth and so those are really need to be one two and three not

1755
02:23:31,120 --> 02:23:33,620
Number of recommendations isn't

1756
02:23:33,620 --> 02:23:39,700
Isn't the order in which they're gonna go for your right and we grouped them so that they've kind of made sense because those yeah

1757
02:23:39,700 --> 02:23:41,640
Yeah, I understand. Thank you. Thank you for that

1758
02:23:42,080 --> 02:23:46,220
anything to help us make sense, this is well-needed.

1759
02:23:47,040 --> 02:23:49,640
Okay, okay, so then I think really,

1760
02:23:52,850 --> 02:23:55,750
you've answered anything that I could ask of you,

1761
02:23:55,810 --> 02:23:58,150
the rest is really just for us and staff

1762
02:23:58,150 --> 02:24:00,950
and everybody else to kind of figure out

1763
02:24:00,950 --> 02:24:02,750
within what we do.

1764
02:24:03,030 --> 02:24:06,330
So thank you so much to your time and all of your hard work

1765
02:24:06,330 --> 02:24:10,330
on this and hopefully we won't see you again.

1766
02:24:11,950 --> 02:24:13,470
I mean, that's horrible for me to say,

1767
02:24:13,470 --> 02:24:15,050
But I mean, if we're doing good, right?

1768
02:24:15,170 --> 02:24:15,650
We made it.

1769
02:24:15,650 --> 02:24:15,730
We made it.

1770
02:24:16,390 --> 02:24:17,490
All right.

1771
02:24:17,570 --> 02:24:18,130
Thank you.

1772
02:24:19,290 --> 02:24:19,570
Thank you.

1773
02:24:19,570 --> 02:24:19,990
Thank you.

1774
02:24:20,170 --> 02:24:20,450
Councilmember.

1775
02:24:20,790 --> 02:24:22,550
Councilmember, I'd consider you have additional questions.

1776
02:24:24,770 --> 02:24:28,690
I just wanted to clarify in my Zoom cut out for a second.

1777
02:24:28,890 --> 02:24:34,510
So I missed some of what Councilmember Carlisle said, but I think I was hearing this presentation

1778
02:24:34,510 --> 02:24:35,030
differently.

1779
02:24:35,950 --> 02:24:41,150
But yes, the policies of procedures are an extremely important part of moving ahead.

1780
02:24:41,150 --> 02:24:53,150
But in terms of prioritizing and which things happen first, there would be zero reason to delay hiring those two positions that were funded.

1781
02:24:53,690 --> 02:24:59,030
If Mr. Dines had there's two positions that got funded through the 2027 budget.

1782
02:25:00,000 --> 02:25:15,140
Yes. We want to see those people hired immediately. And based on the numbers that you talked about with the provision officers, get that adjustment. I mean, these numbers that you laid out.

1783
02:25:15,560 --> 02:25:22,400
I too was in the room November, November when these judges came the first time to talk about how dire the situation was.

1784
02:25:22,400 --> 02:25:30,100
And I couldn't fathom then six months ago why you would wait a single day to hire new people, or to allow them to work longer.

1785
02:25:31,440 --> 02:25:37,400
And I want to see my position on this is I want people to be hired as quickly as possible.

1786
02:25:37,400 --> 02:25:39,540
I want relief in there as quickly as possible.

1787
02:25:40,120 --> 02:25:48,000
And the way that you described the means of how you would write out policies and procedures is that no one has the time to write them.

1788
02:25:48,000 --> 02:25:51,900
So that certainly means the existing staff that's in there now and doesn't have time to write them.

1789
02:25:52,120 --> 02:25:58,720
So there will there will there will be no relief until new people are in there to help take the workload off.

1790
02:25:58,900 --> 02:26:10,360
And so as this moves to finance and budget or wherever it goes next, I could not be more strongly in the opinion that we need to hire people as quickly as possible.

1791
02:26:10,360 --> 02:26:33,640
So let's start implementing these procedures as quickly as possible and take seriously the requests by the judges to to have their own timeframe shifted to be allowed to be in there more often yes to increase their pay, which this is not today's presentation has not been about their pay, but it's certainly will need to be impacted.

1792
02:26:35,720 --> 02:26:41,960
And I want this to take place quickly, especially since we said in November that we would

1793
02:26:41,960 --> 02:26:43,900
wait to see the results of this.

1794
02:26:44,340 --> 02:26:49,060
So here are the results, and I think that we should be moving to take them very seriously

1795
02:26:49,960 --> 02:26:56,300
and to request a check-in for Mr. Dunning every month to the City Council to say what's

1796
02:26:56,300 --> 02:27:03,640
happening and who's been hired or which seats have been filled or how many checkboxes have been

1797
02:27:03,640 --> 02:27:07,920
done off the strategic plan because it's a, you know, a 10 page thing they got emailed earlier

1798
02:27:07,920 --> 02:27:14,020
today. So whatever that is, I would like to see monthly updates on on this process.

1799
02:27:14,700 --> 02:27:19,060
There's lots of other departments in the city that have been approved over the last few years and I'm

1800
02:27:20,780 --> 02:27:41,060
I know that the city has so much to do and at least I have a lot of pride so many pieces of the government have been improved over the years and I think this is the next department in line to be renovated and I think it's right in front of us and so hopefully there's no barriers that keep us from implementing quickly.

1801
02:27:41,800 --> 02:27:43,820
So thank you for the presentation.

1802
02:27:44,880 --> 02:27:48,020
Thanks judges for your patience while this happens.

1803
02:27:48,260 --> 02:27:49,400
And then thank you.

1804
02:27:49,460 --> 02:27:52,540
Your program shields for helping us to.

1805
02:27:52,580 --> 02:27:54,840
Implement quickly and helping it get to the right committee.

1806
02:27:55,060 --> 02:27:56,060
So we can start taking action.

1807
02:27:58,260 --> 02:27:59,520
Thank you council member.

1808
02:28:00,900 --> 02:28:02,100
Just a purely procedural.

1809
02:28:02,280 --> 02:28:05,560
Could all the council members clear themselves from the speaking orders.

1810
02:28:05,560 --> 02:28:08,360
So that I can see if anybody still wants to speak.

1811
02:28:08,460 --> 02:28:10,040
I don't have the mayor's controls up here.

1812
02:28:10,040 --> 02:28:15,300
So I don't have the ability to declare you guys out.

1813
02:28:15,300 --> 02:28:18,320
I'll hit the little withdrawal request button.

1814
02:28:19,460 --> 02:28:19,560
Okay.

1815
02:28:19,560 --> 02:28:20,380
I just wanted to make.

1816
02:28:21,320 --> 02:28:25,280
So now if you want to make an additional comment, please go ahead and hit the request

1817
02:28:25,280 --> 02:28:28,800
to speak button and I can get you to get to you in the order in which you chime in.

1818
02:28:28,940 --> 02:28:29,760
So Council Member Frazier.

1819
02:28:29,960 --> 02:28:31,880
I just wanted to say I also didn't have an opportunity.

1820
02:28:32,180 --> 02:28:36,640
I know it's hard to be in the line of fire there and we're used to it.

1821
02:28:37,360 --> 02:28:39,420
That doesn't make it any easier, but thank you.

1822
02:28:41,650 --> 02:28:42,290
Council Member Funk.

1823
02:28:42,290 --> 02:28:43,230
Thank you.

1824
02:28:44,130 --> 02:28:44,690
Thank you.

1825
02:28:44,930 --> 02:28:45,070
Thank you guys.

1826
02:28:45,530 --> 02:28:46,030
I appreciate it.

1827
02:28:46,170 --> 02:28:49,710
Thank you to the judges and all the court staff that came.

1828
02:28:52,250 --> 02:28:56,410
Can we get this to finance and budget as soon as possible and strike up the conversation

1829
02:28:56,410 --> 02:28:58,550
that we all know needs to be had?

1830
02:29:00,550 --> 02:29:02,590
That's a chair, chair Carlisle.

1831
02:29:02,790 --> 02:29:04,530
I believe has that on the agenda.

1832
02:29:04,850 --> 02:29:06,430
Chair Carlisle, Councilor Carlisle.

1833
02:29:06,650 --> 02:29:07,430
Would you like to?

1834
02:29:07,510 --> 02:29:07,770
Yes.

1835
02:29:07,810 --> 02:29:08,170
Thank you.

1836
02:29:08,170 --> 02:29:18,810
Sorry, I had one question I forgot to ask and because I really haven't had a chance to look over the whole recommendation since because we just got it, but I saw them in the report.

1837
02:29:19,650 --> 02:29:23,930
So, you went through the report with the judges and the staff.

1838
02:29:25,370 --> 02:29:29,390
Did, did you have buy in from everybody on those recommendations?

1839
02:29:29,390 --> 02:29:43,270
So our task as an independent reviewer is not to acquire by task is to bring our professional expertise to identify through our rigor through our analytical rigor.

1840
02:29:43,410 --> 02:29:49,710
What we think the appropriate path forward is within the boundaries of constraints that you all face as a community we have offered that.

1841
02:29:49,710 --> 02:29:51,670
Okay, so that, thank you.

1842
02:29:51,990 --> 02:29:56,750
It is not, you're not your way to try and get by in.

1843
02:29:56,890 --> 02:29:59,970
It's just, this is our professional opinion and do with it.

1844
02:30:01,420 --> 02:30:12,140
Thank you. Thank you, Councillor member. Before I chime in with some of my comments, did any council members

1845
02:30:12,140 --> 02:30:15,840
want to ask any additional questions from our subject matter experts since we do have the judges

1846
02:30:15,840 --> 02:30:21,200
and probation officers. I think we've heard some from them, but is there anyone who has any follow-up questions

1847
02:30:21,200 --> 02:30:26,160
for them at this point? I believe we've heard from them in prior meetings, but if you have any further

1848
02:30:26,160 --> 02:30:28,780
questions, certainly welcome those,

1849
02:30:31,520 --> 02:30:32,160
not, not seeing them.

1850
02:30:32,520 --> 02:30:34,580
Oh, yeah, yeah, yes, Councilmember, I can't.

1851
02:30:35,280 --> 02:30:36,940
Thank you, I'm sorry, camp on my button.

1852
02:30:37,980 --> 02:30:42,500
Would it be okay to ask in general if anyone who had given comments earlier at the

1853
02:30:42,500 --> 02:30:45,940
beginning of the night, now that the report has been given, is there anyone who was like

1854
02:30:45,940 --> 02:30:52,200
to follow up with a, is that, is that appropriate just because I don't know what their

1855
02:30:52,200 --> 02:30:53,200
names of the people.

1856
02:30:53,200 --> 02:30:57,620
Is there a specific question you want to ask for?

1857
02:30:58,240 --> 02:31:02,120
The people that spoke there was a probation officer.

1858
02:31:02,660 --> 02:31:05,500
There are people representing different pieces of the court.

1859
02:31:06,140 --> 02:31:11,020
And so to the extent that the report mentioned that there are roles.

1860
02:31:11,620 --> 02:31:16,680
Isn't it relevant to find out if there's any additional information they'd like to add now that the report has been given?

1861
02:31:18,860 --> 02:31:26,120
So we can lead off with judges if they have any additional comments and then see if the staff members have any additional comments.

1862
02:31:30,720 --> 02:31:32,040
Can I just point a clarification?

1863
02:31:33,560 --> 02:31:33,760
Yes.

1864
02:31:34,300 --> 02:31:34,820
Thank you.

1865
02:31:35,320 --> 02:31:36,340
Thank you.

1866
02:31:37,180 --> 02:31:38,400
Thank you.

1867
02:31:44,780 --> 02:31:55,060
I appreciate that question because I'm on my 17th year and no one had a question for me.

1868
02:31:55,060 --> 02:32:06,640
no one seemed to want my opinion and I don't understand why that occurs because it's repeated

1869
02:32:06,640 --> 02:32:11,280
and ongoing with regard to the court liaison.

1870
02:32:12,180 --> 02:32:19,320
I have sent emails, I have requested someone get a sign, it all falls into a hole.

1871
02:32:19,320 --> 02:32:26,760
I have complained about that. Please assign us someone. I've pointed out the deficiencies in the breakdown

1872
02:32:26,760 --> 02:32:34,860
in the relationships and the problems. And so I do feel a breath of fresh air, which I felt in the past

1873
02:32:35,440 --> 02:32:40,760
and it didn't work out. So I'm trying to be optimistic with some of the comments that I've heard tonight

1874
02:32:43,780 --> 02:32:47,460
because I didn't really know one listens to me. But, um,

1875
02:32:51,970 --> 02:32:54,090
and now I just like stupid standing here.

1876
02:32:55,530 --> 02:33:04,310
I have repeatedly tried to get someone over there, so you can say that we need someone, but look at how everything is broken without one.

1877
02:33:04,670 --> 02:33:07,310
We talk about our financial issues.

1878
02:33:08,270 --> 02:33:15,710
Well, instead of saying, well, we've got one of the things is, you know, we're working on the financial processes and that kind of stuff.

1879
02:33:15,710 --> 02:33:17,750
No break it down to brass tax.

1880
02:33:18,510 --> 02:33:19,970
Armed court bailiff quit.

1881
02:33:20,170 --> 02:33:21,310
We got no notice.

1882
02:33:21,530 --> 02:33:23,830
Well, we have no backup because he was going to back it up

1883
02:33:23,830 --> 02:33:26,370
because we have six employees.

1884
02:33:27,710 --> 02:33:32,670
So we had then a court clerk unarmed,

1885
02:33:32,670 --> 02:33:35,050
just taking the court deposits.

1886
02:33:35,470 --> 02:33:37,430
I didn't think that was smart.

1887
02:33:37,690 --> 02:33:38,990
So I asked for help.

1888
02:33:39,270 --> 02:33:40,350
We didn't get any help.

1889
02:33:40,670 --> 02:33:44,510
So then I said, well, so I just can't let her continue

1890
02:33:44,510 --> 02:33:49,670
to take it every night so I would leave my house and drive over and try and get the deposit

1891
02:33:49,670 --> 02:33:54,090
so we're switching it up so if you're going to you know put a gun to somebody's head you

1892
02:33:54,090 --> 02:33:57,830
got to figure out who you're going to pick and who's got the deposit that night and then

1893
02:33:57,830 --> 02:34:02,370
I would run them over to the bank. I asked several times if we could get on the brings rotation

1894
02:34:02,370 --> 02:34:06,490
and couldn't get that accomplished so she goes over to the police department says can you

1895
02:34:06,490 --> 02:34:13,530
guys take our deposits? I mean that's how we're spending our time and so yes that's not

1896
02:34:13,530 --> 02:34:15,670
how we should be spending our time.

1897
02:34:16,210 --> 02:34:18,670
So here are these general things about, well,

1898
02:34:18,710 --> 02:34:20,670
we've got an implement financial process.

1899
02:34:21,870 --> 02:34:26,090
It's bad, but we couldn't get any help

1900
02:34:26,090 --> 02:34:30,370
no one would listen to me so eventually we hired a new court

1901
02:34:30,370 --> 02:34:33,390
bailiff and he was taking it.

1902
02:34:33,550 --> 02:34:37,510
The issues with the finances meetings went on behind our back.

1903
02:34:37,530 --> 02:34:41,250
We had no idea that meetings about our budget,

1904
02:34:41,250 --> 02:34:49,730
the problems, the judges were out of it. Office of Court State Administrator came in and said

1905
02:34:49,730 --> 02:34:55,230
the judges are the first line period. Nothing goes on with the finances without the judges

1906
02:34:55,230 --> 02:34:59,970
knowing it. And so we then have been able.

1907
02:35:00,000 --> 02:35:27,940
So, to get involved after someone else pointed that out, talk about what I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry, interrupt. Is there? Do you think that we'll be able to proceed with the instructions that have been given? Do you think that the instructions that have been given that you'll be able to run with quickly these are things that are within the scope that we can get handled? Council member, I can see the list of recommendations from the reporters that what you're referring to.

1908
02:35:27,940 --> 02:35:29,200
Yep, yeah, exactly.

1909
02:35:30,020 --> 02:35:30,340
I'll see.

1910
02:35:30,860 --> 02:35:35,340
Well, we, that, that you, I think you hit on part

1911
02:35:35,340 --> 02:35:36,520
of the crux of the problem.

1912
02:35:37,400 --> 02:35:40,320
What you guys got an email an hour and a half before the meeting?

1913
02:35:41,340 --> 02:35:41,960
Is that right?

1914
02:35:41,960 --> 02:35:42,560
Or something?

1915
02:35:42,780 --> 02:35:45,120
And it was protected for some kind of measures.

1916
02:35:45,620 --> 02:35:47,360
We didn't get it.

1917
02:35:47,580 --> 02:35:48,720
There's no collaboration.

1918
02:35:49,100 --> 02:35:51,460
We have no idea what you're referring to.

1919
02:35:51,880 --> 02:35:54,680
And so I don't know why we wouldn't get it.

1920
02:35:54,880 --> 02:35:57,200
We're tasked by law with running the judiciary.

1921
02:35:58,700 --> 02:36:03,960
So I can't just post session, so it's, you normally don't receive close session emails

1922
02:36:03,960 --> 02:36:12,140
and so, so that is why I'm sure, but if Mr. Dung just for clarity, the, I'm trying to

1923
02:36:12,140 --> 02:36:16,620
recall exactly the title of it, the implementation action plan is that was called the

1924
02:36:16,620 --> 02:36:18,220
IAP, has that been shared with the judges?

1925
02:36:18,400 --> 02:36:23,740
That was covered with raft tell us when I was at a meeting as the IAP and then we broke out

1926
02:36:23,740 --> 02:36:29,500
a separate report regarding financial controls and security.

1927
02:36:30,620 --> 02:36:34,760
So that was covered when Raff tell us and myself and the judges and the courted interim

1928
02:36:34,760 --> 02:36:39,100
court administrator at the time reviewed this information.

1929
02:36:39,680 --> 02:36:43,940
So I wanted to be mindful of it sharing for this discussion.

1930
02:36:44,820 --> 02:36:48,460
Certainly, has that been provided to the electronic police that they have copies in their

1931
02:36:48,460 --> 02:36:51,700
possession to review at a later date or was it just provided in person?

1932
02:36:52,460 --> 02:36:54,980
I don't recall if that.

1933
02:36:55,960 --> 02:36:58,400
I think one thing I've heard from many of my colleagues

1934
02:36:58,400 --> 02:37:03,920
tonight on the judges is that more open, clear communication is a real real

1935
02:37:03,920 --> 02:37:05,240
priority, so maybe that's something.

1936
02:37:06,100 --> 02:37:11,600
If it hasn't been provided to them in a PDF or a printed version that could be provided to them

1937
02:37:11,600 --> 02:37:15,540
so that everybody is working from the same set of recommendations.

1938
02:37:17,320 --> 02:37:22,140
Sorry, please continue Councilmember Beckins or Judge Altieri.

1939
02:37:23,660 --> 02:37:24,260
I'll go.

1940
02:37:25,580 --> 02:37:35,200
The in Councilmember Funk asked a question about whether or not outside Council was hired

1941
02:37:35,200 --> 02:37:37,460
after that November 4 presentation.

1942
02:37:38,540 --> 02:37:41,000
And it was quickly shoved under the table.

1943
02:37:41,600 --> 02:37:43,260
We were not talking about money tonight.

1944
02:37:43,340 --> 02:37:44,660
That was not his question.

1945
02:37:44,660 --> 02:37:50,760
And his question was, on November 4th, we said we were going to hire an outside council

1946
02:37:51,700 --> 02:37:54,400
which we think is a waste of money.

1947
02:37:54,780 --> 02:38:00,100
Judge Fan was in here, she gave her legal opinion, we have given our legal opinion, there

1948
02:38:00,100 --> 02:38:06,280
was already money spent on another outside council, the city hired an attorney that does medical

1949
02:38:06,280 --> 02:38:12,600
malpractice work and does not do municipal work and her opinion.

1950
02:38:12,600 --> 02:38:15,620
And I guess was either unclear or something.

1951
02:38:16,140 --> 02:38:21,220
We don't understand that, but that night, we were supposed to hire outside council.

1952
02:38:21,560 --> 02:38:28,420
I asked in November, I think it was later that month or in December, I said, hey, are

1953
02:38:28,420 --> 02:38:29,760
you hiring that outside council?

1954
02:38:29,940 --> 02:38:30,640
Because I knew the answer?

1955
02:38:31,080 --> 02:38:31,180
No.

1956
02:38:31,320 --> 02:38:32,260
Nobody does anything.

1957
02:38:33,140 --> 02:38:34,400
And no one was hired.

1958
02:38:34,900 --> 02:38:39,260
So that was one of the things in November, so the question was not that he asked was not

1959
02:38:39,260 --> 02:38:44,480
about compensation. It was a little more directed to, did we get that done? And no one did it.

1960
02:38:44,480 --> 02:38:48,880
I don't even think it needs to be done. I think the question's been answered several times.

1961
02:38:49,620 --> 02:38:55,120
And I don't think you even have to be in a turny really to answer it. But no, that wasn't done.

1962
02:38:55,600 --> 02:39:02,640
And then talk about whether or not we are self-sustaining. We are. And we can bring in revenue.

1963
02:39:03,500 --> 02:39:08,940
We still if we had more dockets. It's overlooked that I took stuff and worked at home

1964
02:39:08,940 --> 02:39:12,980
and brought in $55,000 in a matter of three weeks

1965
02:39:12,980 --> 02:39:16,040
that was for-fitted bond money that just sits there.

1966
02:39:16,260 --> 02:39:19,860
It's not taxpayer money, it's not school money,

1967
02:39:20,160 --> 02:39:21,860
it is money from defendants.

1968
02:39:22,120 --> 02:39:25,220
If you don't come to court, we are going to take your money

1969
02:39:25,220 --> 02:39:26,440
and you still get a warrant.

1970
02:39:26,760 --> 02:39:28,480
And then you'll give us more money

1971
02:39:28,480 --> 02:39:31,120
and then we might just take that too if you don't come.

1972
02:39:31,480 --> 02:39:33,420
But we don't even have that docket.

1973
02:39:33,560 --> 02:39:35,260
I mean, they all know, the defendants know.

1974
02:39:35,260 --> 02:39:37,720
So it's not like I'm advertising something.

1975
02:39:37,720 --> 02:39:43,840
they've figured out how we are now, but we can—we're not about bringing in revenue but

1976
02:39:43,840 --> 02:39:50,640
we certainly can. I don't understand the process on how things go to probation. We determine

1977
02:39:50,640 --> 02:39:56,460
what goes to probation and if we adopt the prosecutor's recommendation or if we send someone.

1978
02:39:57,040 --> 02:39:59,960
And I don't know how it was understood. It might be about service.

1979
02:40:00,000 --> 02:40:10,880
We do provide services because if the guy that shows up at your house at 3 a.m., with no pants on, asking for a sandwich, just needs to be

1980
02:40:10,880 --> 02:40:23,460
medicated. Let's try to get him the medication. We can put him in jail, or we can just try to fix the issue and get him some resources and go. But that's a lot of what the probation department does.

1981
02:40:23,460 --> 02:40:29,120
but they're not, we're not service oriented because we max out our jail capacity all the time.

1982
02:40:29,280 --> 02:40:35,760
We max out both our providers, we max out the lease summit jail, but so that's a lot of,

1983
02:40:35,760 --> 02:40:40,680
so the process on who goes to probation and we do have to have a ton of people on probation.

1984
02:40:40,880 --> 02:40:46,100
There's a lot to talk about like, how come the parents aren't managing the children, you know?

1985
02:40:46,460 --> 02:40:50,760
Well, you're looking at them right here because by the time you get to us and your own probation,

1986
02:40:50,760 --> 02:40:57,220
And if you've got a kid and their mom and dad, you see them come in and they act ridiculous

1987
02:40:57,220 --> 02:41:02,580
and you realize nobody's sitting at that table at dinner, so that's when we come in.

1988
02:41:02,880 --> 02:41:07,060
And then I had like I had a dad say, well can you do that or something I said, yeah,

1989
02:41:07,180 --> 02:41:11,100
because you don't do your job, so I sit down at the head of the table and I'm going to do it.

1990
02:41:11,100 --> 02:41:16,060
So I went down and made a list of who have sung, could not be friends with, but I can't

1991
02:41:16,060 --> 02:41:18,740
do that if we don't have the time.

1992
02:41:18,740 --> 02:41:24,780
And I do appreciate everyone acknowledging that we have to have the time to have these meetings.

1993
02:41:25,680 --> 02:41:31,400
So because we come over on our all-time all the time and I've started to throw bits about it

1994
02:41:31,400 --> 02:41:38,340
because I have to work other places and it takes away from other income to run over here for stuff.

1995
02:41:38,340 --> 02:41:42,340
But when I feel we should be paid to do it,

1996
02:41:44,060 --> 02:41:48,600
but there's just, in one, another thing I heard was,

1997
02:41:49,780 --> 02:41:54,620
well, we need to get people who like know what they're doing.

1998
02:41:56,240 --> 02:41:59,020
Those six clerks are doing the work of 16 people,

1999
02:41:59,300 --> 02:42:02,780
and those probation officers, those people know what they're doing.

2000
02:42:03,140 --> 02:42:05,940
You guys have the best staff over at that courthouse.

2001
02:42:05,940 --> 02:42:14,100
I mean, they are a machine and in turn, they get to work light and work through lunch and

2002
02:42:14,100 --> 02:42:15,280
be stressed to the ninth.

2003
02:42:16,240 --> 02:42:20,200
So we don't need people to come in and necessarily train them.

2004
02:42:20,460 --> 02:42:21,920
They just need help.

2005
02:42:22,140 --> 02:42:24,080
They need resources.

2006
02:42:26,040 --> 02:42:32,020
And I appreciate the presiding judge, if there's just no resources there, I clerk for the

2007
02:42:32,020 --> 02:42:35,460
presiding judge of Jackson County and they would love to provide resources.

2008
02:42:35,460 --> 02:42:41,140
is it's a different area and it is, they provide administrative oversight.

2009
02:42:41,360 --> 02:42:45,400
We've got a great one right now, but if we went asking for resources, he would try

2010
02:42:45,400 --> 02:42:51,240
to help us, but he might have, he'd try to figure out what he could do, because it kind

2011
02:42:51,240 --> 02:42:52,280
of be a weird ask.

2012
02:42:55,480 --> 02:42:56,500
What could do?

2013
02:42:56,500 --> 02:43:00,900
I've asked one point, we had something hideous going on at the courthouse, and I said, can

2014
02:43:00,900 --> 02:43:04,260
you please just get us over there, give a judge out of duty pay.

2015
02:43:04,260 --> 02:43:09,160
get I know that's a thing because other people have gotten it just give us if that doesn't

2016
02:43:09,160 --> 02:43:13,100
mean it's permanent it doesn't mean this is what you're going to get for the next year

2017
02:43:13,100 --> 02:43:19,100
it means can you please get over there and start working and so we can figure out what's

2018
02:43:19,100 --> 02:43:26,620
going on and then that request I just I just got stared at and a lot of the report a lot of what

2019
02:43:26,620 --> 02:43:31,840
concerns me is they're like you can get by with and that's our conservative estimate I don't

2020
02:43:31,840 --> 02:43:36,680
I don't know, I feel like somebody has talked to them, or they've been influenced.

2021
02:43:37,000 --> 02:43:41,500
I think they're good people, but I think there's something that's just weird to me.

2022
02:43:41,580 --> 02:43:44,400
I don't know why we're trying to see what we can get by with.

2023
02:43:47,340 --> 02:43:56,600
But a lot of the things that we have brought up, we have, I have asked repeatedly.

2024
02:43:56,600 --> 02:44:09,600
So I like feel some sense of encouragement, I feel like there's a breath of fresh air but I also, I don't know, I just hope things come to fruition.

2025
02:44:10,940 --> 02:44:13,520
So then I'll just stop.

2026
02:44:14,680 --> 02:44:15,420
Thank you so much.

2027
02:44:16,260 --> 02:44:16,520
Thanks.

2028
02:44:16,920 --> 02:44:18,180
I need to get something out anyway.

2029
02:44:19,400 --> 02:44:24,080
I know one of the things, Council Member Frazier, you ask what is your ask?

2030
02:44:24,080 --> 02:44:29,320
And I know, nobody specifically, you know, had us come up to the podium.

2031
02:44:29,600 --> 02:44:30,800
So I'll tell you what our ask is.

2032
02:44:30,980 --> 02:44:32,700
It's the same thing it was two years ago,

2033
02:44:34,800 --> 02:44:39,840
when they published their report on page 1 and Judge

2034
02:44:39,840 --> 02:44:40,820
Alterry quoted it.

2035
02:44:40,820 --> 02:44:46,000
It says, current staffing levels have not kept pace with the city's growth and Allison

2036
02:44:46,000 --> 02:44:51,400
indicates an immediate need for additional judicial capacity and increased personnel.

2037
02:44:51,400 --> 02:44:57,540
So I learned tonight that we have many budgeted for two new clerks. That's amazing. I would like to hide them right away.

2038
02:44:57,640 --> 02:44:59,980
I don't remember who said it. Oh, that was miss out.

2039
02:45:01,220 --> 02:45:09,440
I would, yes, that's great. That will help. It's still not, you know, it's not an additional 10, but two will very help us a lot.

2040
02:45:11,200 --> 02:45:18,760
And additional judicial capacity, the problems all stem, not from whether or not we're using Oscar programs.

2041
02:45:19,320 --> 02:45:29,240
And I will tell you, there are a lot of programs through Oscar that we could use if we have the time that morning when I had 720 defendants

2042
02:45:29,240 --> 02:45:36,080
and Judge Altairi had to come and help me and we set their both of us from 830 and 1230 working

2043
02:45:36,080 --> 02:45:42,080
on 720 people that would have been like 23 seconds per person. It's not enough time for them

2044
02:45:42,080 --> 02:45:48,840
to even walk up and I have to move on. So all of this can be helped by having us there more days.

2045
02:45:49,260 --> 02:45:53,820
We can spread all this out which will also help the rest of the staff if they're not having

2046
02:45:53,820 --> 02:45:58,600
to do all of their probation violations that are assigned to me in one day.

2047
02:45:58,600 --> 02:46:04,580
We're all the Tuesday probation violations and the domestic violence and all this that do take a lot of time for Judge Altieri.

2048
02:46:05,180 --> 02:46:06,400
You also mix in there.

2049
02:46:06,780 --> 02:46:09,560
We start our afternoon and custody documents.

2050
02:46:10,080 --> 02:46:12,320
We might have 15 people on the in custody document.

2051
02:46:12,480 --> 02:46:16,200
And that's with us also a reigning people every single day of the week.

2052
02:46:16,380 --> 02:46:17,440
Even when we're not in court.

2053
02:46:17,820 --> 02:46:20,320
We still might have 15 people on the in custody document.

2054
02:46:20,560 --> 02:46:22,540
That might take us two hours to get done.

2055
02:46:22,820 --> 02:46:26,500
There's a lot of times that all start my afternoon document at 3.30 or 4

2056
02:46:26,500 --> 02:46:31,880
because we just don't have the capacity to start any quicker because you have to deal with the people in the jail.

2057
02:46:32,200 --> 02:46:39,140
Our probation officers have to write up all the paperwork for them to get out of the jail or to be sent to another location if they're in our facility.

2058
02:46:39,840 --> 02:46:45,360
So all of that can be alleviated if we will follow this recommendation they may to us back in December.

2059
02:46:46,280 --> 02:46:48,640
We have an immediate need for additional Jesus capacity.

2060
02:46:49,160 --> 02:47:14,220
You all can pass an ordinance that says we're going to have court five days a week, not five point four obviously because we don't have any other buildings five days a week and we're going to require each judge to do, you know, three days per week we can each have an overlap day if you want to go with the conservative number for we think it's a mistake because our tickets and our population are going to continue to climb.

2061
02:47:14,220 --> 02:47:18,520
In fact, the numbers that they used today were numbers they used from fiscal to 24.

2062
02:47:19,380 --> 02:47:23,040
So you know that two years ago, the numbers they used two years ago are already outdated.

2063
02:47:23,820 --> 02:47:28,100
And the number of dockets that we have are skyrocketed even more and more.

2064
02:47:28,200 --> 02:47:33,300
We have done, we have taken off days and tried to get a letter of staff to get caught up.

2065
02:47:33,880 --> 02:47:41,420
And the programs that they're talking about ASCA, it's ways for us to go there in there and take notes and do things like that.

2066
02:47:41,420 --> 02:47:44,240
but you cannot pull up at every single case

2067
02:47:44,240 --> 02:47:47,960
when you have 700 cases a day or 500 cases a day.

2068
02:47:48,200 --> 02:47:49,540
The people in the county,

2069
02:47:49,940 --> 02:47:51,720
they are seeing maybe some of the judges

2070
02:47:51,720 --> 02:47:53,480
see two people in an hour

2071
02:47:53,480 --> 02:47:55,180
because of complexity of the case.

2072
02:47:55,720 --> 02:47:57,640
I'm not saying our parking tickets,

2073
02:47:57,860 --> 02:47:59,360
our speeding tickets, our super complex,

2074
02:47:59,800 --> 02:48:01,320
but we do have a lot of complex cases

2075
02:48:01,320 --> 02:48:03,500
like domestic assaults, DWIs,

2076
02:48:03,800 --> 02:48:05,320
things that do require additional time.

2077
02:48:05,640 --> 02:48:07,460
We have a lot of mentally ill people

2078
02:48:07,460 --> 02:48:08,380
in the city of Lee Summit,

2079
02:48:08,580 --> 02:48:09,960
which we have to deal with.

2080
02:48:09,960 --> 02:48:12,500
We have to figure out resources for them.

2081
02:48:12,700 --> 02:48:13,740
Yes, we have a lot of resources.

2082
02:48:14,400 --> 02:48:15,500
They don't always take us.

2083
02:48:16,000 --> 02:48:19,960
The place department does a great job of finding resources from people.

2084
02:48:20,380 --> 02:48:25,360
Also, that it's not the same resources that are always available every time we need them.

2085
02:48:25,600 --> 02:48:30,540
So we spend a lot of time on our own time trying to find additional resources for these people.

2086
02:48:31,040 --> 02:48:33,360
We don't have the time to do that in the two court days.

2087
02:48:33,560 --> 02:48:34,480
We're having things.

2088
02:48:34,480 --> 02:48:35,360
They're not getting them.

2089
02:48:35,360 --> 02:48:39,860
Things are slipping through the cracks where we just don't have time to use all of the

2090
02:48:39,860 --> 02:48:45,760
programs, but we could use if we were like Kansas City and they may be see 30 people in an entire

2091
02:48:45,760 --> 02:48:46,260
hour.

2092
02:48:46,900 --> 02:48:48,600
And yes, they can use all the bells and whistles.

2093
02:48:49,120 --> 02:48:50,960
We don't have time to do that.

2094
02:48:51,360 --> 02:48:52,200
It just, it does work.

2095
02:48:52,400 --> 02:48:53,600
We have a sheet of paper.

2096
02:48:53,940 --> 02:48:55,280
We scribble some note time.

2097
02:48:55,320 --> 02:48:56,240
We hand it to the clerk.

2098
02:48:56,400 --> 02:48:57,440
She puts the notes in the computer.

2099
02:48:57,680 --> 02:48:59,700
That's all the time that we have to do it.

2100
02:48:59,700 --> 02:49:05,120
When you've got 700 other people sitting on the floor, waiting to get in the parking lot, waiting

2101
02:49:05,120 --> 02:49:07,360
in the lobby to be go through security,

2102
02:49:07,940 --> 02:49:11,360
we need to get checked in and then to set there for three hours.

2103
02:49:12,480 --> 02:49:15,120
I know it sounds like it's a broken record

2104
02:49:15,120 --> 02:49:16,780
and I know we do sound like a broken record,

2105
02:49:17,220 --> 02:49:19,080
but that's what our ask would be,

2106
02:49:19,660 --> 02:49:22,460
is sit down and figure out how you can get us in there.

2107
02:49:23,080 --> 02:49:24,920
She can do four days a week or I can do one

2108
02:49:24,920 --> 02:49:28,460
or just get more judges in there, get us in there,

2109
02:49:28,620 --> 02:49:30,340
more often so we can spread this out

2110
02:49:30,340 --> 02:49:32,700
and that will alleviate most of the burden.

2111
02:49:32,700 --> 02:49:37,520
And then these policies and procedures, we have reached out to other municipalities.

2112
02:49:37,940 --> 02:49:39,740
They don't have these books in place.

2113
02:49:40,280 --> 02:49:42,320
They don't just have books that we can pull from.

2114
02:49:42,540 --> 02:49:43,680
Our clerks are trained.

2115
02:49:43,840 --> 02:49:44,780
They know what they're doing.

2116
02:49:45,400 --> 02:49:47,280
They know, and you know, if they will email us,

2117
02:49:47,380 --> 02:49:48,700
if they have a question about something.

2118
02:49:49,640 --> 02:49:52,560
But again, if we're going to put a policy manual together,

2119
02:49:52,580 --> 02:49:55,120
and we can do that, it will be going from scratch.

2120
02:49:55,260 --> 02:49:57,440
Because we couldn't find any other of its municipalities

2121
02:49:57,440 --> 02:49:59,500
that had one that they could loan us around town.

2122
02:50:00,000 --> 02:50:08,120
So that to interquestion that would be our ask. And we do appreciate you guys taking the time to pay

2123
02:50:08,120 --> 02:50:16,060
for an auditor and having them come and do this operational review of the court. But if we don't

2124
02:50:16,060 --> 02:50:21,540
follow up on it, we've just wasted the taxpayers' money. And meanwhile, from the two years

2125
02:50:21,540 --> 02:50:27,060
I've been there as a judge to now, things have just quadrupled. The number of cases, the number

2126
02:50:27,060 --> 02:50:32,220
of tickets, and it's not that Lee Salman is a dangerous community, but there's just a lot of tickets

2127
02:50:32,220 --> 02:50:36,120
being written because there's a lot of people driving through our city and a lot of people

2128
02:50:36,120 --> 02:50:36,960
living in our city.

2129
02:50:37,340 --> 02:50:41,960
So we just hope that you guys will take the time to look at the numbers.

2130
02:50:42,860 --> 02:50:46,480
We are your best resources because we are there every single day.

2131
02:50:47,200 --> 02:50:50,680
We, you know, that's what was kind of, I think she was saying, you know, like, why isn't

2132
02:50:50,680 --> 02:50:51,760
anybody asking us questions?

2133
02:50:51,800 --> 02:50:53,520
She's been there in their 1970s.

2134
02:50:53,520 --> 02:50:57,480
So, we know how things function and we both have so much experience.

2135
02:50:57,760 --> 02:51:03,200
We both, what do we say, over 60 years combined criminal law, legal experience between

2136
02:51:03,200 --> 02:51:04,980
the two of us and the time we've been out of law school.

2137
02:51:05,520 --> 02:51:09,420
So, I would like to think we know what we're doing and other, of course, we both work

2138
02:51:09,420 --> 02:51:13,820
as judges and Kansas City helping them out and I'm still doing that and I would like to

2139
02:51:13,820 --> 02:51:19,180
think that we know what we're doing and that you guys could come to us and ask us why

2140
02:51:19,180 --> 02:51:32,100
some of this stuff, you know, does will work or won't work and we can, you know, like so we've implemented a lot of these changes already because again, when they were interviewing us, you know, nine or ten months ago, we've we've changed a lot.

2141
02:51:32,220 --> 02:51:36,060
We've got an accorded administrator and things are a lot different and we have improved on a lot of things.

2142
02:51:36,480 --> 02:51:43,440
What we haven't improved on and what we haven't changed at all are the number of parties that we have per week that would make a lot of these problems go away.

2143
02:51:43,920 --> 02:51:44,600
Thank you.

2144
02:51:44,600 --> 02:51:45,860
Thank you, Judge.

2145
02:51:47,160 --> 02:51:50,700
Mayor President Shields, can I follow up with a question or did it rotate to some else?

2146
02:51:52,940 --> 02:51:54,660
I would say you can.

2147
02:51:54,860 --> 02:51:59,500
I do want to be conscious of everyone's time, and we have another presentation after this.

2148
02:52:00,540 --> 02:52:04,940
So if you want to ask some follow-up questions or speak with another staff member, certainly,

2149
02:52:05,760 --> 02:52:06,960
but just kind of being conscious of that.

2150
02:52:07,600 --> 02:52:08,320
Thank you so much.

2151
02:52:08,460 --> 02:52:09,060
I'll make it quick.

2152
02:52:09,060 --> 02:52:38,060
Judge Lopez, I might ask that if you could, or between the two of you if you could look at the presentation that was given tonight and go back through and update a draft with notations on each line item that says whether you did or did not already achieve that line item that would help for one of the future meetings, I'm not sure which meeting but it would be a good document for all of us to have so that you could update each line item if you're saying some of those things have been implemented and then please be specific about which ones.

2153
02:52:38,060 --> 02:52:45,720
in document as we move forward and also Councilmember Funk mentioned earlier on that maybe this

2154
02:52:45,720 --> 02:52:50,220
the court system was self-funding so my question was going to be is it self-funding now

2155
02:52:50,220 --> 02:52:57,600
or would it be self-funding with these extra several people hired and so and I'm hoping the answer

2156
02:52:57,600 --> 02:53:03,520
was yes it would be self-funding after we hired all these recommended people and if so

2157
02:53:04,880 --> 02:53:11,320
Please, let's please do this quickly and if we need to pass an ordinance to allow them to go to five days a week, I'm all on board for that.

2158
02:53:11,600 --> 02:53:17,980
I'm ready to, I want us to move as quickly as possible in removing barriers to help us move forward.

2159
02:53:18,100 --> 02:53:25,660
Whether we need to allocate funds, temporary funds, whether we need to allocate, you know, can we have a job description ready by Monday?

2160
02:53:25,660 --> 02:53:29,520
can we like I want to remove barriers and move us forward so

2161
02:53:29,520 --> 02:53:33,740
mere potentials I would defer to you on the quickest way for us to

2162
02:53:33,740 --> 02:53:36,560
help activate these these recommendations

2163
02:53:37,100 --> 02:53:41,500
would be wonderful but thank you everyone again for your time tonight and

2164
02:53:41,500 --> 02:53:46,400
thanks mere potentials for the extra minute thank you yes and we can definitely get

2165
02:53:46,400 --> 02:53:51,860
you we can definitely go through that and try to get something updated as far as

2166
02:53:51,860 --> 02:53:55,140
you know what we have been able to accomplish

2167
02:53:55,140 --> 02:53:57,440
and what things are still on the table.

2168
02:53:57,640 --> 02:53:59,680
And then as far as the self-finding issue,

2169
02:54:02,420 --> 02:54:04,440
and I don't know where it is in the report,

2170
02:54:05,960 --> 02:54:07,500
they could probably tell me what page,

2171
02:54:08,040 --> 02:54:11,220
but if you look at the financials of the report,

2172
02:54:12,640 --> 02:54:15,320
the amount of money that we bring in,

2173
02:54:15,620 --> 02:54:19,000
as far as fines, court costs, probation fees,

2174
02:54:19,920 --> 02:54:21,860
bond forfeatures, things like that,

2175
02:54:22,080 --> 02:54:23,400
there enough to pay our salaries,

2176
02:54:23,400 --> 02:54:28,860
meaning this city is not having to expend additional money on the court. So we're kind of

2177
02:54:28,860 --> 02:54:33,680
kind of a self-functioning. And I don't know what the exact numbers are. I'd have to go back and

2178
02:54:33,680 --> 02:54:41,060
find that page and look. But certainly if we are there and we can start doing more regular bond

2179
02:54:41,060 --> 02:54:46,360
forfeatures and things like that, that will even bring in additional funds. So I don't think it's

2180
02:54:47,900 --> 02:54:52,300
maybe down the road, it might affect the budget. But I don't know what those numbers are. But as far

2181
02:54:52,300 --> 02:54:57,960
the numbers that we had at the time, there was, and I know there's enough money allocated.

2182
02:54:58,860 --> 02:54:59,980
I believe for those two new positions.

2183
02:55:00,000 --> 02:55:06,240
The decision was what Mr. Dunning said. Those who are already allocated. So it would just be additional judge time at this point.

2184
02:55:06,920 --> 02:55:14,600
And then any additional, you know, any additional expenses, if we had to hire additional probation officers and stuff like that.

2185
02:55:14,600 --> 02:55:20,200
But I can't answer that specific question. I don't remember where it is on the slide and how much overage there was.

2186
02:55:20,240 --> 02:55:24,340
But I think it was about even with what we bring in and what we would be took out of salaries.

2187
02:55:24,960 --> 02:55:32,860
Thank you, Judge. Thank you, Councilmember. I think that's something we can dig into a little bit more in finance and budget committee. These act numbers, but I appreciate that.

2188
02:55:33,120 --> 02:55:36,240
Okay. Thank you.

2189
02:55:39,420 --> 02:55:41,800
So we're going to get through this one almost done.

2190
02:55:42,780 --> 02:55:45,080
I have a question for, I think probably for the consultants.

2191
02:55:48,940 --> 02:55:56,460
When it comes to the, I think I was one of the very first lines that you put up in terms of the court structure in terms of what the city's

2192
02:55:56,460 --> 02:56:02,680
is the courts role is that kind of thing. Who sets the number of days that the judges

2193
02:56:02,680 --> 02:56:07,780
are in chambers? I understand there are support resources that the city needs to

2194
02:56:07,780 --> 02:56:13,080
provide. But like to what extent is there judicial independence, where they choose that

2195
02:56:13,080 --> 02:56:17,060
schedule, but we provide the clerk's support or just can the city pass an ordinance to do that?

2196
02:56:17,120 --> 02:56:18,980
Is that a question that's within the scope of your work?

2197
02:56:18,980 --> 02:56:30,740
It generally is the court municipal courts are to be working in collaboration with the city so the city can provide the needed support to ensure the court runs effectively

2198
02:56:30,740 --> 02:56:39,920
So it really needs to be a collaboration between the city and the court on what that court structure looks like court number of days looks like in order to meet the objective of

2199
02:56:39,920 --> 02:56:45,020
I guess it's just because the judge said you could pass an ordinance to say that we're going to have five court days a week

2200
02:56:45,020 --> 02:56:49,920
But my understanding from our prior discussions is that we can't do that, but I really want to understand

2201
02:56:50,780 --> 02:56:52,380
what's within the scope of the conversation.

2202
02:56:52,380 --> 02:56:54,520
You have some of that this written your charter.

2203
02:56:54,700 --> 02:56:59,320
So your charter refers to kind of the two judges elected the tenure.

2204
02:57:00,260 --> 02:57:04,640
And then you do, if I recall correctly, you have an ordinance that currently sets it at two days.

2205
02:57:05,080 --> 02:57:07,200
So I do think there may need to be a change to your ordinance.

2206
02:57:07,560 --> 02:57:07,740
Correct.

2207
02:57:07,860 --> 02:57:10,080
I've not seen that anywhere.

2208
02:57:10,080 --> 02:57:21,140
I'm not aware of an ordinance that I can think of that, I'm aware of the charter provision that we have two divisions that we run at minimum. We can increase the divisions, but.

2209
02:57:21,480 --> 02:57:29,660
If that's something that that could be researched, like I would just really like to know if that's something that is set by ordinance or or how that is determined.

2210
02:57:30,320 --> 02:57:36,100
It's either an ordinance or a policy, but we have we did receive something in writing that it was currently set it today.

2211
02:57:36,100 --> 02:57:37,780
So it is in one of your written documents.

2212
02:57:38,560 --> 02:57:40,700
And we can help him find that because I have all of our songs.

2213
02:57:40,700 --> 02:57:42,840
If you can provide that, this doesn't have to be this minute.

2214
02:57:42,920 --> 02:57:44,980
But I would just really like to understand that better.

2215
02:57:46,660 --> 02:57:48,460
Most of my questions have been asked my count.

2216
02:57:48,480 --> 02:57:49,660
My colleagues have been really thorough,

2217
02:57:49,740 --> 02:57:53,840
so I'm not going to dig deep into a lot of the specifics of their report.

2218
02:57:54,600 --> 02:57:57,320
As far as next steps, Mr. Dunning.

2219
02:57:57,480 --> 02:58:00,200
I realize that it's within the scope of your authority

2220
02:58:00,200 --> 02:58:04,520
to manage your employees and who you at a point as a liaison

2221
02:58:04,520 --> 02:58:14,180
how that is going to function, so I don't want it over step here, but I would concur with my colleagues that I would really like to see that role filled very quickly.

2222
02:58:14,540 --> 02:58:19,840
The most shocking thing that I heard tonight is that the judge didn't realize that two additional FDs had been allocated to the court.

2223
02:58:19,840 --> 02:58:28,380
I don't understand how that, I don't, I don't want to make any assumptions, but like that

2224
02:58:28,380 --> 02:58:36,000
seems like we are trying, this staff is city manager, you're trying to address these

2225
02:58:36,000 --> 02:58:40,460
deficiencies by allocating those up, by recommending those FTE allocations, the council is

2226
02:58:40,460 --> 02:58:45,740
trying to support that recommendation by passing that in the budget, and I was just really

2227
02:58:45,740 --> 02:58:52,600
surprised that there was an any process in place yet to hire those folks. So it seems like

2228
02:58:52,600 --> 02:58:57,840
getting that liaison position in place someone who can really get those lines of communication

2229
02:58:57,840 --> 02:59:05,240
open is vital to making any of the rest of this work. So that's that was really important

2230
02:59:05,240 --> 02:59:12,440
takeaway for me. What I would like to see next is to put together some kind of a tracking and

2231
02:59:12,440 --> 02:59:15,300
status document that says, here are the set of recommendations.

2232
02:59:16,440 --> 02:59:19,260
Here is who is, has the authority to implement each one?

2233
02:59:19,400 --> 02:59:21,480
Because I want to understand what can we do?

2234
02:59:21,640 --> 02:59:22,860
What can the city council do?

2235
02:59:23,040 --> 02:59:24,240
What the city staff do?

2236
02:59:24,400 --> 02:59:25,660
How can we support the judges?

2237
02:59:26,340 --> 02:59:27,640
And what is within their purview?

2238
02:59:27,720 --> 02:59:33,580
Like, for example, I assume that something like setting a cut-off time for court check-ins.

2239
02:59:33,720 --> 02:59:35,440
I assume that that's purely at the discretion of the judges.

2240
02:59:35,660 --> 02:59:38,520
I would feel that I was very much overstepping my authority.

2241
02:59:38,520 --> 02:59:45,540
If I said, the Council hereby decrees that cut off time is set at 10.30 a.m., but something

2242
02:59:45,540 --> 02:59:49,240
like funding an additional probation officer that is within our authority.

2243
02:59:49,260 --> 02:59:54,380
So I want to kind of break down what can we do, what can you do administratively, what

2244
02:59:54,380 --> 02:59:58,740
can the judges do, what do we need to collaborate on, and then kind of see how those are being

2245
02:59:58,740 --> 02:59:59,960
prioritized, what the term.

2246
03:00:00,000 --> 03:00:22,340
Get timing is, what's already been accomplished, because there is a lot of information tonight. And I want to understand where we're at. And then I think Councilmember Edkins would recommend, like, monthly check-ins. Like, if a tracking document like that was put together, I could easily see that being updated and sent out monthly. So we could see what's going on and just have awareness, situational awareness of what's happening there.

2247
03:00:23,340 --> 03:00:29,400
I would like to have us come back in August to kind of give an initial review to that document.

2248
03:00:30,660 --> 03:00:35,940
So we can coordinate on what meeting date would work for that in how quickly that can be put together.

2249
03:00:36,680 --> 03:00:41,780
And then maybe that same meeting schedule closed session to discuss any of the matters that we kind of hinted at,

2250
03:00:42,020 --> 03:00:46,480
but that we're not able to discuss and full open sessions that we all have full awareness of those.

2251
03:00:46,480 --> 03:00:52,460
And then I would defer to Chair Carlisle on the Finance Committee on how she wants to

2252
03:00:52,460 --> 03:00:58,680
structure those discussions as far as financial resources go, also keeping in mind

2253
03:00:58,680 --> 03:01:02,260
that I know charter commission is meeting this year and I don't know if they'll have

2254
03:01:02,260 --> 03:01:07,020
any way in on the portion of our charter related judges, but I'm sure we'll keep an eye

2255
03:01:07,020 --> 03:01:08,060
on that as well.

2256
03:01:08,660 --> 03:01:13,080
But that's kind of how I see things right now is getting things going and finance and

2257
03:01:13,080 --> 03:01:18,320
to figure out what additional resources we can have in conjunction with putting together tracking

2258
03:01:18,320 --> 03:01:23,120
charge figure out what can we do, how can we help make this work, looking into those finances

2259
03:01:23,120 --> 03:01:28,380
in terms of what self funding or what we might need to find additional resources for if there's

2260
03:01:28,380 --> 03:01:32,620
any temporary help that could be provided that was kind of discuss the sense and I'm sorry

2261
03:01:32,620 --> 03:01:36,820
you guys can sit down like you're saying to me that I appreciate you, you don't have to keep saying

2262
03:01:37,580 --> 03:01:43,560
If there's additional temporary resources that could be located, or maybe pretend judges that

2263
03:01:43,560 --> 03:01:49,360
could be hired temporarily to help get through some backlog to figure out what would be considered

2264
03:01:49,360 --> 03:01:53,860
one time expenses that might be able to use fund bales for what we need to find on going

2265
03:01:53,860 --> 03:01:58,920
revenues for if you have the court can sell fund those more in debt the discussion for finance

2266
03:01:58,920 --> 03:02:03,760
and budget but those are kind of the questions that I have is how can we get this fall rolling?

2267
03:02:03,760 --> 03:02:11,480
how can we pay for it all and that's, I think, my full brain dumps.

2268
03:02:13,220 --> 03:02:19,420
So, unless we have any last minute questions, Mr. Dunning, do you have any final comments?

2269
03:02:19,860 --> 03:02:23,340
No, I just kind of on the heels of your thoughts.

2270
03:02:23,640 --> 03:02:30,540
I can easily take that implementation action plan that, in carve out some of that closed record

2271
03:02:30,540 --> 03:02:37,500
information and build that tracking sheet and responsibility and timelines and just what you are

2272
03:02:37,500 --> 03:02:37,840
referencing.

2273
03:02:38,320 --> 03:02:38,340
Okay.

2274
03:02:38,380 --> 03:02:39,180
That would be really helpful.

2275
03:02:39,540 --> 03:02:40,360
Thank you.

2276
03:02:40,360 --> 03:02:41,640
Thank you again to the judges.

2277
03:02:41,840 --> 03:02:44,360
Thank you to the court staff and everyone who came and commented tonight.

2278
03:02:45,500 --> 03:02:49,100
We are going to go ahead and take, I think, a brief recess because we've all been sitting

2279
03:02:49,100 --> 03:02:52,460
up here much longer than most of our bladders can take.

2280
03:02:52,780 --> 03:02:56,720
And we will come back to discuss the downtown hotel of the mayor here in just a minute.

2281
03:02:56,860 --> 03:02:57,140
Thank you.

2282
03:02:57,200 --> 03:02:58,100
Thank you all so much.

2283
03:02:59,080 --> 03:03:01,520
Ever wondered how the city budget works?

2284
03:03:02,380 --> 03:03:08,320
The total 26 budget is over $380 million, which includes funding for daily operations, capital

2285
03:03:08,320 --> 03:03:12,520
improvements, debt service, internal service, and enterprise operations.

2286
03:03:13,120 --> 03:03:17,180
For example, the general fund is the foundation for the city's day-to-day services and

2287
03:03:17,180 --> 03:03:20,760
investments like road maintenance, public safety, and fire protection.

2288
03:03:22,040 --> 03:03:26,680
The general fund is supported by property taxes, sales taxes generated by local businesses,

2289
03:03:26,680 --> 03:03:30,960
franchise taxes and other sources like licenses, permits, and fees.

2290
03:03:31,940 --> 03:03:35,640
For every dollar citizen's paying property tax, the city receives 18 cents.

2291
03:03:35,980 --> 03:03:41,540
This means the city receives $845 a year in property taxes for a median single-family house.

2292
03:03:41,900 --> 03:03:48,080
These taxes provide public safety, park maintenance, infrastructure, and the best services to keep lease- Summit going and improving.

2293
03:03:48,940 --> 03:03:51,700
One of the communities top priorities is infrastructure investment,

2294
03:03:52,300 --> 03:03:54,280
which is reflected in the capital improvement plan.

2295
03:03:54,920 --> 03:03:59,100
113 million dollars of the 2026 budget is invested into the capital improvement land.

2296
03:03:59,460 --> 03:04:03,640
The 2026 capital improvement budget includes investments like the 2 anyone in 50 highway interchange,

2297
03:04:04,360 --> 03:04:07,300
third street, water and Brazil's intersection, and prior revenue.

2298
03:04:07,820 --> 03:04:11,300
The budget process includes guidance from the city council, citizen input,

2299
03:04:11,760 --> 03:04:15,280
and critical success factors from the city's Ignite strategic plan.

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To learn more about the city's budget, visit cityvls.net, backslash budget.

2301
03:04:24,010 --> 03:04:29,010
When the person called on the phone, she said that there was a dinosaur walking down her road.

2302
03:04:33,850 --> 03:04:35,210
Of course, we had to go out and check that out.

2303
03:04:37,940 --> 03:04:40,160
We get out there and it was a big African tortoise.

2304
03:04:41,600 --> 03:04:45,320
Probably 60 pounds walking down the road.

2305
03:04:45,660 --> 03:04:47,180
When they walked, they really stand up tall.

2306
03:04:47,400 --> 03:04:49,240
So I could see why she thought it was a dinosaur.

2307
03:04:52,740 --> 03:04:53,320
I'm Rodney Wagner.

2308
03:04:53,320 --> 03:04:55,080
I'm the manager of least some animal control.

2309
03:04:55,720 --> 03:04:57,340
So as you can see, we get all sorts of animals here.

2310
03:04:57,560 --> 03:04:59,040
You guys have some guinea pigs off to the side.

2311
03:05:00,000 --> 03:05:05,140
All the windows up here are animals that are adoptable right now. Everyone of these dogs is ready to go and

2312
03:05:05,140 --> 03:05:06,820
re-production and

2313
03:05:11,560 --> 03:05:13,740
the same thing with our cats over here.

2314
03:05:19,140 --> 03:05:20,440
A lot of cool cats in here now,

2315
03:05:22,730 --> 03:05:23,110
so this

2316
03:05:23,110 --> 03:05:28,050
is our three-acre lot we have back on. This is where we do all the walking and dogs exercise. We also

2317
03:05:28,050 --> 03:05:32,130
have a side yard off the side over there so we can let them run loose, they can run together

2318
03:05:32,130 --> 03:05:39,810
and we have what's called play groups. Kind of got a bunch of kids. Here's our vet room. We have

2319
03:05:39,810 --> 03:05:40,810
comes out twice a week.

2320
03:05:41,410 --> 03:05:43,750
This is our Sally Porter, where we bring the animals into.

2321
03:05:44,230 --> 03:05:45,810
This is one of our animal control trucks.

2322
03:05:47,050 --> 03:05:48,890
And we can hold up to six animals.

2323
03:05:49,030 --> 03:05:51,010
We have a lift on the outside, but big animals in.

2324
03:05:51,110 --> 03:05:52,870
We actually have temperature gauges in here,

2325
03:05:53,030 --> 03:05:54,830
and in the truck to tell if I had this,

2326
03:05:55,110 --> 03:05:56,010
once I get to a certain temperature,

2327
03:05:56,130 --> 03:05:57,310
we're bringing all the animals back from the area.

2328
03:05:58,030 --> 03:05:59,550
So this actually has traps in it,

2329
03:06:00,070 --> 03:06:03,500
but we do a lot of wildlife traveling.

2330
03:06:04,000 --> 03:06:04,660
I mean a lot.

2331
03:06:05,240 --> 03:06:08,990
So that's how belly pings.

2332
03:06:08,990 --> 03:06:12,690
Of course, it is housed. He moves a lot of reptiles.

2333
03:06:13,810 --> 03:06:18,470
We had a system one time to head over 200 reptiles in his basement.

2334
03:06:20,470 --> 03:06:22,810
Cames and oligators in here that are four or five feet long,

2335
03:06:22,910 --> 03:06:26,290
you can't keep those. And people do, and they're surprised when they can't keep them.

2336
03:06:26,430 --> 03:06:28,550
I'm like, really, you're surprised you can't have oligators in here.

2337
03:06:35,690 --> 03:06:40,070
Our main goal here is public safety, and also the safety of the animals.

2338
03:06:40,070 --> 03:06:45,290
And we have very dedicated people back there and they definitely stay here for love of the animals,

2339
03:06:45,630 --> 03:06:47,270
which also includes getting them adopted out.

2340
03:06:48,530 --> 03:06:51,550
We'll have about 4,000 impounded animals a year.

2341
03:06:51,810 --> 03:06:53,770
Probably about close to $200,000 in cats.

2342
03:06:53,910 --> 03:06:55,430
The cats and dogs are going to get impounded here.

2343
03:06:55,550 --> 03:06:59,490
They go on a five-day hold and then after the five days of donor doesn't show up,

2344
03:06:59,710 --> 03:07:01,130
then we can put them up for adoption.

2345
03:07:03,570 --> 03:07:05,290
adopt the animal here is actually really simple.

2346
03:07:05,450 --> 03:07:09,290
You just come in, look before ever, and we're looking for find the right pick.

2347
03:07:09,290 --> 03:07:13,170
You have to go to the adoption room up there and see if you get along with them as soon as

2348
03:07:13,170 --> 03:07:14,750
much time as you want to in there.

2349
03:07:16,330 --> 03:07:20,350
From that point on, it's just a matter of making sure they're sparing neutered and all their

2350
03:07:20,350 --> 03:07:22,150
vaccinations up far and they're good to go.

2351
03:07:23,790 --> 03:07:28,010
We have a very high adoption rate because we try everything our power to get animals adopted

2352
03:07:28,390 --> 03:07:28,750
out.

2353
03:07:29,050 --> 03:07:33,110
We have Harve America, he main society that we do a lot of adoptions through.

2354
03:07:33,370 --> 03:07:34,350
And then we also have other groups.

2355
03:07:34,490 --> 03:07:37,490
We have some people that literally will just look all over the country for somewhere for

2356
03:07:37,490 --> 03:07:38,190
a dog to go.

2357
03:07:38,190 --> 03:07:42,970
And we sent dogs up into South Dakota, North Dakota, Washington State.

2358
03:07:43,290 --> 03:07:46,770
So it's actually, it's a huge united effort to get all these animals home.

2359
03:07:46,990 --> 03:07:49,110
Cars area, but lots of energy.

2360
03:07:49,250 --> 03:07:51,190
Jesus, we've got up here now, Bill Bell.

2361
03:07:51,470 --> 03:07:52,870
She was nothing to do with the other cats.

2362
03:07:53,030 --> 03:07:54,690
She'll kind of get her property space going.

2363
03:07:54,790 --> 03:07:59,210
And the good thing about the people here is that they get all their friends to get animals too.

2364
03:07:59,430 --> 03:08:03,490
All of us have probably the limit of all the animals that we can have at home.

2365
03:08:03,670 --> 03:08:05,270
You know, they are a huge animal lovers.

2366
03:08:05,270 --> 03:08:10,130
If it was up to the people here, we'd have 15 cats run around in here.

2367
03:08:15,240 --> 03:08:20,040
It says in one time out there, and he was baiting his two nine-foot-long bullet

2368
03:08:20,040 --> 03:08:22,260
structures in the front yard.

2369
03:08:22,940 --> 03:08:25,100
Apparently that was a gardening some attention.

2370
03:08:25,760 --> 03:08:28,280
So we went out there and had to talk about that.

2371
03:08:30,760 --> 03:08:31,480
What do I do, is Jeff?

2372
03:08:31,960 --> 03:08:32,080
I do.

2373
03:08:32,200 --> 03:08:32,800
I love this, Jeff.

2374
03:08:33,200 --> 03:08:36,200
I grew up on a farm, and taking care of that many animals.

2375
03:08:36,720 --> 03:08:37,980
You can't help but like animals.

2376
03:08:38,220 --> 03:08:39,460
This is just like fancy farming.

2377
03:08:40,240 --> 03:08:46,700
You know, you're just breaking down all the entertainment care of them and find them homes and yeah, absolutely I'm a leather.

2378
03:09:06,110 --> 03:09:11,290
Traditionally we think as police officers those responding to law enforcement needs within the community.

2379
03:09:11,510 --> 03:09:15,670
But honestly we are there to serve our citizens and our citizens do go into crisis.

2380
03:09:15,910 --> 03:09:19,910
They do have mental health crises and we're being called with those scenes on a regular basis.

2381
03:09:20,150 --> 03:09:24,970
In order to help serve those citizens better, we did initiate the crisis intervention team program.

2382
03:09:24,970 --> 03:09:27,230
These are authors that are especially trained,

2383
03:09:27,750 --> 03:09:29,250
he escalate crisis situations.

2384
03:09:29,610 --> 03:09:31,930
Recently, we brought co-responders out of the scene,

2385
03:09:32,110 --> 03:09:33,870
licensed qualified mental health professionals,

2386
03:09:34,090 --> 03:09:35,570
howled within our police department,

2387
03:09:35,970 --> 03:09:39,150
and they respond with those officers directly to those scenes,

2388
03:09:39,270 --> 03:09:42,290
where crisis is occurring, so they can interact with that citizen

2389
03:09:42,290 --> 03:09:44,850
and get them to help they need right there on that scene.

2390
03:09:45,090 --> 03:09:48,570
The co-responders are either a bachelor or master level

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03:09:48,570 --> 03:09:50,710
in a behavioral health-related field.

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03:09:50,950 --> 03:09:54,230
They wear plain clothes, they don't carry weapons or anything like that.

2393
03:09:54,970 --> 03:09:57,630
I have a police radio that I listen to all day,

2394
03:09:57,710 --> 03:09:59,970
listen for, you know, those key words, mental help.

2395
03:10:15,320 --> 03:10:22,540
So typically, I arrive after they've needed safe, I'll make contact and get kind of the rundown, and then I just kind of jump right in.

2396
03:10:22,780 --> 03:10:29,440
Like, hey, you know, my name's Allison, I'm a mental health professional, and I'm here to help you. I'm not here to take you to jail or rest you.

2397
03:10:29,440 --> 03:10:35,400
Sometimes all a person needs is a voice, someone neutral, someone outside that, you know,

2398
03:10:35,460 --> 03:10:42,080
can listen. I do a lot of safety planning, including family, their support network, who's close to you.

2399
03:10:42,420 --> 03:10:47,900
If they're home alone, who can come over and hang out with you today? Can we lock away your

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03:10:47,900 --> 03:10:52,660
sharks? Can we put up your meds? Do you need meds? Can we get you over to the urgent care to get

2401
03:10:52,660 --> 03:10:57,180
yes? That's for your medications. Some of them also are like, oh, I'm so glad you came. This may

2402
03:10:57,180 --> 03:11:02,800
feel so much better. Our main goal is to cover sponges to one get people connected to the

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03:11:02,800 --> 03:11:07,920
services that they need and also divert from emergency rooms and jails and they almost

2404
03:11:07,920 --> 03:11:12,760
could a different view of the place in this Monday. That lets me know you care in the officer's care.

2405
03:11:16,420 --> 03:11:20,680
In 2020 we had 722 mental health related calls for service.

2406
03:11:20,680 --> 03:11:26,800
22 at that time, 1,479. These mental health related calls for service are increasing.

2407
03:11:27,260 --> 03:11:29,520
How we're responding to that is increasing the number of crisis that are

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03:11:29,520 --> 03:11:34,220
mentioned. Officers we have available as well as the number of co-responders we have available

2409
03:11:34,220 --> 03:11:38,320
to respond on these calls. So what I think is important for the community to know about the

2410
03:11:38,320 --> 03:11:44,080
co-responder program is that we're here. We exist. All you have to do when you call them and

2411
03:11:44,080 --> 03:11:50,660
one is ask for us. You know, they have one a co-responder to respond to this crisis and we'll go

2412
03:11:51,700 --> 03:11:54,080
I was really struggling about eight years ago.

2413
03:11:54,220 --> 03:11:55,860
My personal journey with mental health

2414
03:11:55,860 --> 03:11:58,320
and I met some amazing social workers

2415
03:11:58,320 --> 03:11:59,720
and amazing programs.

2416
03:11:59,900 --> 03:12:01,770
I've helped me get to where I am today.

2417
03:12:02,720 --> 03:12:04,540
I really couldn't see myself doing anything else.

2418
03:12:04,840 --> 03:12:07,700
We want to help, and that's what we love to do.

2419
03:12:08,380 --> 03:12:09,920
Because I had a client, we got a call shift

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03:12:09,920 --> 03:12:11,120
to say side of ideations.

2421
03:12:11,340 --> 03:12:13,380
That you really felt that she had no body.

2422
03:12:13,720 --> 03:12:15,420
And you know, I'm getting to know her story

2423
03:12:15,420 --> 03:12:18,200
and getting to know who comes around and sees you

2424
03:12:18,200 --> 03:12:23,500
Well, then we found a support person and they responded immediately and we made a plan.

2425
03:12:23,860 --> 03:12:27,240
I called back and checked on her an hour and then I checked on her on two hours.

2426
03:12:27,780 --> 03:12:32,500
We were able to get her into the additional services to where she talks to someone every week

2427
03:12:32,500 --> 03:12:33,240
or more.

2428
03:12:33,520 --> 03:12:37,520
I just took a person that really just thought they had nobody and nobody would show up for them

2429
03:12:37,520 --> 03:12:38,560
and show them you do.

2430
03:12:38,600 --> 03:12:43,680
And you'll be amazed who is in your corner if you just simply say I need a little help.

2431
03:12:43,680 --> 03:12:44,540
We're

2432
03:14:41,340 --> 03:14:46,060
going to get back on the agenda with the agenda item 6B, which is a second presentation.

2433
03:14:46,980 --> 03:14:50,780
And this one is a conceptual presentation for the Green Street UT hotel and restaurants.

2434
03:14:51,460 --> 03:14:56,580
It's a proposal, an economic development and a center request, a leading for property group,

2435
03:14:56,640 --> 03:14:58,360
Inc. and Thrasch group applicants.

2436
03:14:59,080 --> 03:14:59,980
Mr. Bush, are you going to get...

2437
03:15:00,000 --> 03:15:10,000
Yes, thank you. David Bushack, economic development legal counsel for the city. As you said, this is a conceptual presentation of the city's economic development and senate policy.

2438
03:15:11,580 --> 03:15:17,920
A brief reminder of the economic development and senate policy and what the city council is doing with this presentation tonight.

2439
03:15:18,540 --> 03:15:29,800
The policy was adopted in 2015. It's been amended numerous times since then. And the policy embodies the city council's preferences for economic development incentives.

2440
03:15:29,800 --> 03:15:34,960
the city had about 15 years of history before the policy was first adopted, and

2441
03:15:34,960 --> 03:15:39,100
the city, as I mentioned, the city's now been using this for 11 years.

2442
03:15:39,920 --> 03:15:44,000
The economic development incentive policy is essentially the filter that city staff

2443
03:15:44,000 --> 03:15:47,180
applies when incentive projects are incentive requests come forward,

2444
03:15:47,620 --> 03:15:51,680
so there's a substantial filtering and discussion that happens before,

2445
03:15:52,280 --> 03:15:54,040
and incentive request even gets to you.

2446
03:15:54,500 --> 03:15:59,780
And my point is the economic development incentive policy is something that

2447
03:15:59,780 --> 03:16:02,760
and informs all of these presentations that come forward.

2448
03:16:02,960 --> 03:16:04,280
And we can talk about that later,

2449
03:16:05,180 --> 03:16:06,760
depending on which direction the discussion goes.

2450
03:16:07,660 --> 03:16:11,000
Last week, we discussed extensively,

2451
03:16:11,460 --> 03:16:14,220
one of the primary reasons, arguably the primary reason,

2452
03:16:15,200 --> 03:16:17,500
that landowners and developers request incentives,

2453
03:16:17,720 --> 03:16:18,700
and that is public improvement.

2454
03:16:18,800 --> 03:16:19,760
That's sort of the foundation.

2455
03:16:20,020 --> 03:16:22,060
And I discussed that with you extensively last week.

2456
03:16:22,660 --> 03:16:24,580
The other major reason you're going to hear about tonight

2457
03:16:24,580 --> 03:16:25,880
and that's financial feasibility.

2458
03:16:26,920 --> 03:16:28,800
There's not a question of public improvements.

2459
03:16:28,800 --> 03:16:34,460
the property is right behind me, you can actually, if it were still light, you'd be able to see the property out the window.

2460
03:16:35,780 --> 03:16:40,240
Public improvements are not the issue, it's financial feasibility and that's what the developers are going to be addressing tonight.

2461
03:16:41,800 --> 03:16:47,340
And I would say that this forum, conceptual presentation, is unique to lease some it.

2462
03:16:47,760 --> 03:16:52,220
There's no other city that I work with and I'm aware of that uses this format.

2463
03:16:52,220 --> 03:16:57,080
They may, from time to time, occasionally, but at least some that is unique and that it provides

2464
03:16:57,080 --> 03:17:02,040
this opportunity for developers to get your feedback, and so that's also a reminder.

2465
03:17:02,780 --> 03:17:07,400
The economic development incentive policy says this about conceptual presentations.

2466
03:17:08,780 --> 03:17:13,760
After review, the required submittals and application conferences, which has happened, conceptual

2467
03:17:13,760 --> 03:17:17,240
presentations made to the city council to solicit feedback and direction on the proposal.

2468
03:17:18,060 --> 03:17:22,040
The city council may provide direction to the applicant and staff directly after the conceptual

2469
03:17:22,040 --> 03:17:26,480
presentation or may choose to request additional information or presentations to be scheduled

2470
03:17:26,480 --> 03:17:29,300
at a future regular session meeting in the city council.

2471
03:17:29,880 --> 03:17:34,180
So the point is this is a tool for you to use, it's a tool for the applicants to use,

2472
03:17:34,240 --> 03:17:38,820
and it's an opportunity for you to give whatever feedback you have about the request tonight.

2473
03:17:39,020 --> 03:17:42,560
So with that I will sit down and let the developer provide their initial presentation

2474
03:17:42,560 --> 03:17:44,680
and then I will have comments after they're finished.

2475
03:17:45,160 --> 03:17:45,480
Great.

2476
03:17:45,520 --> 03:17:46,540
Thank you.

2477
03:17:55,200 --> 03:17:56,140
Thank you, Mr. Busheck.

2478
03:17:56,720 --> 03:17:59,840
My name is Brandon Buckley and with Lane 4 property group.

2479
03:17:59,840 --> 03:18:05,780
joined here tonight by West Buckley, also with Lane 4, as you know, we were selected as the

2480
03:18:05,780 --> 03:18:11,460
Master Developer for the Green Street Project, back in 2021. More importantly than us, we're here

2481
03:18:11,460 --> 03:18:16,380
with Joe Thrash, of the Thrash Group, who will be the owner and operator of the hotel project

2482
03:18:16,380 --> 03:18:22,740
we're here to discuss tonight. This is a huge moment for us, one we've been chasing after for years.

2483
03:18:23,280 --> 03:18:27,920
We're here today to present an incredible exciting opportunity for least summit being an 84

2484
03:18:27,920 --> 03:18:31,380
room hotel with a 4,500 square foot restaurant.

2485
03:18:32,940 --> 03:18:37,620
That vision came from significant amount of community engagement to determine a very specific

2486
03:18:37,620 --> 03:18:42,700
use being a boutique hotel for this particular site, but first I want to take a brief moment

2487
03:18:42,700 --> 03:18:43,860
to trace how we got here.

2488
03:18:46,210 --> 03:18:50,590
As you know, Green Street opened in the summer of 2025, we're proud to see it thriving but

2489
03:18:50,590 --> 03:18:52,210
there's still more work to be done.

2490
03:18:52,950 --> 03:18:57,650
Green Street will be a generational asset for the city of Lee Summit and its community and we

2491
03:18:57,650 --> 03:19:00,750
see it reach its maximum potential through the addition of a hotel.

2492
03:19:01,550 --> 03:19:05,610
From the beginning, attracting a hotel to be the cornerstone to pull the piece of the green

2493
03:19:05,610 --> 03:19:09,810
street together because it wouldn't enhance the programming options of the market.

2494
03:19:10,570 --> 03:19:14,710
However, not just setting a hotel would do, so one of our most important difficult challenges

2495
03:19:14,710 --> 03:19:18,850
at MasterDouble as a MasterDouble developer was finding the right hotel concept.

2496
03:19:19,470 --> 03:19:23,930
It was important that the hotel was unique in order to mesh with the existing downtown's

2497
03:19:23,930 --> 03:19:25,270
vibrant and historic nature.

2498
03:19:25,270 --> 03:19:32,570
And today, we're proud to present a hotel concept as well as a developer and operator that meets those lofty goals.

2499
03:19:35,270 --> 03:19:44,310
During the course of our involvement in the Green Street Project, we worked with more than 40 hotel operators and developers to find the group who best fits the community's vision for the site.

2500
03:19:45,030 --> 03:19:55,370
After speaking with a host of qualified groups and doing third party market study, we realized that this component of the Green Street Project would be a challenge to fulfill as it was envisioned in master plan.

2501
03:19:56,790 --> 03:19:59,970
They looked at several aspects of the opportunity and here's the feedback.

2502
03:20:00,880 --> 03:20:06,100
The demand for Thursday through Saturday night was sufficient, but there was low demand, Sunday through

2503
03:20:06,100 --> 03:20:12,280
Wednesday night, and low-volume business traveler. This lack of highway access and no highway visibility

2504
03:20:12,280 --> 03:20:19,420
was also disadvantaged to the site. The site is also a challenge due to the size and the fact that requires

2505
03:20:19,420 --> 03:20:26,260
foresighted architecture, which is visible from all sides. The nightly rates and occupancies of the hotel stock,

2506
03:20:29,980 --> 03:20:29,980
as

2507
03:20:29,980 --> 03:20:33,020
particularly not for unique, unbranded concept.

2508
03:20:34,220 --> 03:20:36,360
And many of their operators were hung up on this

2509
03:20:36,360 --> 03:20:38,260
as their primary issue.

2510
03:20:38,560 --> 03:20:40,720
Luckily, we have an operator here tonight

2511
03:20:40,720 --> 03:20:42,860
who has the confidence in this product type,

2512
03:20:43,100 --> 03:20:44,840
and has been successful in similar markets,

2513
03:20:45,420 --> 03:20:46,960
and one that is willing to take the risk

2514
03:20:46,960 --> 03:20:49,000
required to build a quality project.

2515
03:20:49,360 --> 03:20:52,300
Furthermore, many saw operational challenges

2516
03:20:52,300 --> 03:20:55,900
co-existing with the Green Street Farmers Market Building

2517
03:20:55,900 --> 03:20:58,600
next door and without control that space.

2518
03:20:59,080 --> 03:21:03,300
I want to note that the thrash group is not requiring complete control of this space, they plan

2519
03:21:03,300 --> 03:21:07,700
to work collaboratively with the city to maximize programming opportunities.

2520
03:21:14,360 --> 03:21:18,860
After having so many of these conversations with hotel developers, we had concerns about

2521
03:21:18,860 --> 03:21:20,600
bringing this master plan's vision in the life.

2522
03:21:21,000 --> 03:21:24,820
However, when we started talking to the thrash group, about their thoughts on this project,

2523
03:21:24,960 --> 03:21:27,740
it was the insidly apparent we had found the group with the right vision.

2524
03:21:28,520 --> 03:21:32,060
I'll be introducing Joe Thrash in a minute and think it will become apparent that Joe sees

2525
03:21:32,060 --> 03:21:34,140
opportunity where other sea challenges.

2526
03:21:35,140 --> 03:21:38,540
Where Joe is unique is that he wants to create a hotel that doesn't compete with other

2527
03:21:38,540 --> 03:21:43,460
lease summit hotels, so much as it competes with downtown Kansas City, crossroads,

2528
03:21:43,740 --> 03:21:46,500
oval and park, and the Metro's premier of hotel markets.

2529
03:21:47,360 --> 03:21:52,280
When talking about the economic impact of this potential hotel, by competing with other markets,

2530
03:21:53,060 --> 03:21:58,100
outside of the hotel stock and lease summit, it makes a huge difference and creates a

2531
03:21:58,100 --> 03:21:59,540
you can't forget the amount of upside.

2532
03:22:00,640 --> 03:22:02,180
Give her a daughter who tells within the market.

2533
03:22:03,040 --> 03:22:05,660
What Joe envisions here is similar to what the city

2534
03:22:05,660 --> 03:22:08,180
of Prairie Village accomplished with the in-it-metabruk.

2535
03:22:08,780 --> 03:22:10,480
A hotel that doesn't just fit into the market,

2536
03:22:10,820 --> 03:22:13,280
but actually creates the market itself by raising the bar.

2537
03:22:14,160 --> 03:22:16,840
You may be aware that project was able to secure England

2538
03:22:16,840 --> 03:22:19,000
for the World Cup, and would not have been possible

2539
03:22:19,000 --> 03:22:21,140
if it weren't for a hotel developer who wanted to do

2540
03:22:21,140 --> 03:22:23,680
something special in unique, which is something

2541
03:22:23,680 --> 03:22:25,560
that Joe is planning for downtown lease summit.

2542
03:22:26,200 --> 03:22:31,520
I also want to note that the thrash group secured a World Cup team of their own at the

2543
03:22:31,520 --> 03:22:37,180
Origin Hotel in Kansas City by the Riverfront, which was at the home of Lionel Messi and

2544
03:22:37,180 --> 03:22:42,280
the Argentinean soccer team, who picked their hotel out of many competing options, however

2545
03:22:42,280 --> 03:22:43,280
just left yesterday.

2546
03:22:44,400 --> 03:22:48,560
The thrash group is able to see what a true boutique hotel experience would mean for the area,

2547
03:22:48,940 --> 03:22:55,540
and how it immediately established lease summit as a true destination for visitors who are

2548
03:22:55,540 --> 03:22:59,980
that leverages walkability and vibrancy of downtown to become an economic engine for

2549
03:22:59,980 --> 03:23:01,940
least some at downtown and beyond.

2550
03:23:02,900 --> 03:23:06,680
With that, I'll introduce Cho to share his conviction for the hotel and restaurant.

2551
03:23:07,180 --> 03:23:07,640
Thank you.

2552
03:23:16,260 --> 03:23:17,420
All right.

2553
03:23:17,740 --> 03:23:20,500
Mr. Mayor of City Council, thank you for having me.

2554
03:23:20,840 --> 03:23:22,240
Brandon, thank you for the introduction.

2555
03:23:24,560 --> 03:23:28,100
A little bit on me, my name is Cho Thrasch with a Thrasch group.

2556
03:23:28,600 --> 03:23:33,720
Everyone keeps saying it's a Cho's hotel, but really my father started the company in 1986.

2557
03:23:34,380 --> 03:23:47,100
We actually started out more in the multi-family sphere, and then saw an opportunity to branch out and do some more interesting, I would say, hotels in the boutique nature, at least that's the general term people usually use.

2558
03:23:50,590 --> 03:23:50,710
Okay.

2559
03:23:51,630 --> 03:23:59,590
We've been largely busy, so these are some of our completed projects. You can see I think they're in about 12 or 13 states.

2560
03:24:00,610 --> 03:24:05,410
We're probably one of the more active developers you'll meet in a way I would consider

2561
03:24:05,410 --> 03:24:06,950
us almost counter cyclical.

2562
03:24:09,910 --> 03:24:12,650
Some of the hotel portfolio is listed below.

2563
03:24:13,490 --> 03:24:15,150
You can see it's kind of, it's varied.

2564
03:24:16,030 --> 03:24:20,530
Hotel 2 Below is one of the ones in the earlier images that I thought would be a good fit

2565
03:24:20,530 --> 03:24:21,070
here.

2566
03:24:21,410 --> 03:24:26,210
2 Below Mississippi is about 50,000 people and in a way that hotels almost like the

2567
03:24:26,210 --> 03:24:27,450
heartbeat of their downtown.

2568
03:24:28,210 --> 03:24:35,090
That really, you know, it's a special point of pride for us at Project, and we've always been looking for somewhere else where we can do something similar.

2569
03:24:36,070 --> 03:24:42,590
I said these are in Lexington, Kentucky, Kansas City, Brandon, Mississippi, Longmont, Colorado.

2570
03:24:43,710 --> 03:24:46,670
You can see Austin, Texas, they're really, really all over the place.

2571
03:24:50,940 --> 03:24:55,060
So, every one of our hotels is full service and it's boutique in nature.

2572
03:24:55,720 --> 03:24:59,960
All of them also have their own restaurants that are completely designed from the ground up.

2573
03:25:00,000 --> 03:25:06,540
So you can see some of these, I mean, every one of them went for pretty proud of looks totally different

2574
03:25:06,540 --> 03:25:13,180
other small images, but they looked totally different and there was a ton of emphasis on what we were

2575
03:25:13,180 --> 03:25:18,520
trying to be with each one. And that's why you can see their different concepts, their different types

2576
03:25:18,520 --> 03:25:24,120
of food. And, you know, cyber and social club is actually sitting on there. That's our real pride

2577
03:25:24,120 --> 03:25:34,540
because it actually went on the Michelin list this year. And I was on I think Esquire's top 30 new restaurants, so we're pretty proud of that.

2578
03:25:36,380 --> 03:25:39,820
Really the first time I came to least some it was probably like three years ago.

2579
03:25:40,260 --> 03:25:44,760
And I walked around the downtown and I think you'd maybe just announced, I'm terrible with time, maybe three years.

2580
03:25:45,160 --> 03:25:48,500
But you just announced the green street project, but it hadn't happened yet.

2581
03:25:48,880 --> 03:25:54,100
And I was just walking around the downtown and I loved it.

2582
03:25:54,100 --> 03:25:58,160
You know the brick and the train tracks and then the on-signs and everything it's just it's just wonderful

2583
03:25:58,540 --> 03:26:03,100
And I thought like if they ever wanted to do a hotel, this would be a fun one to do and

2584
03:26:04,700 --> 03:26:06,840
The name is the novelist

2585
03:26:06,840 --> 03:26:11,880
It's actually a name that I came up with years ago, and I just haven't been able to use it yet

2586
03:26:11,880 --> 03:26:14,660
I just haven't been because really when you're saying a novelist

2587
03:26:15,320 --> 03:26:21,840
One, I'm kind of a book nerd so it means a little something special, but also like you really do want to you want to give it to something that's like

2588
03:26:22,900 --> 03:26:27,120
completely wowing somebody, you know, it's a completely groundbreaking kind of thing, it's

2589
03:26:27,120 --> 03:26:31,120
written for that spot, no one's ever done it before, you couldn't see it come in kind

2590
03:26:31,120 --> 03:26:36,460
of product. And I think, you know, if we, if we were able to do this hotel on that site,

2591
03:26:37,020 --> 03:26:42,260
I think people would come in and say, I did not see this coming, you know, like, what an amazing

2592
03:26:42,260 --> 03:26:46,940
project, this is, this is just over the top. Now to be fair, it's still approachable,

2593
03:26:46,940 --> 03:26:49,660
It's not, you know, it's not designed to be five stars.

2594
03:26:50,060 --> 03:26:53,180
What it's designed to do is we've considered every detail

2595
03:26:53,180 --> 03:26:57,420
and picked it for that space as best we possibly can.

2596
03:26:59,200 --> 03:27:04,540
I think the great thing about developing hotels is they really do add a lot.

2597
03:27:05,060 --> 03:27:07,360
They're just an energy source.

2598
03:27:07,440 --> 03:27:10,160
So if you were to put one there, they're just more people moving

2599
03:27:10,160 --> 03:27:11,220
in and around.

2600
03:27:11,240 --> 03:27:14,640
I think there could be more engagement with the event space.

2601
03:27:14,640 --> 03:27:20,760
Like I said, there's just more people going into the restaurant, more people going around, walking around, more kids.

2602
03:27:21,240 --> 03:27:25,100
To us, I always say like, you can see a great site by how many people walk in front of it.

2603
03:27:25,380 --> 03:27:31,320
If you're standing there and you see a lot of action, a lot of people are moving back and forth, it's a place with a lot of energy where you can do some special.

2604
03:27:35,530 --> 03:27:42,110
Okay, this is just a view, I think the, the, the, the wickets originally look different, but this is just kind of a sense of what it would be.

2605
03:27:42,370 --> 03:27:46,610
To be fair, we don't know exactly what the exterior would look like if we were to do this.

2606
03:27:46,610 --> 03:27:50,090
I would leave that to someone significantly better taste than myself.

2607
03:27:50,770 --> 03:27:56,330
I feel like it would definitely be something that would fit into downtown so there's going to be some brick.

2608
03:27:57,130 --> 03:28:02,350
Ever since I first saw the potential neon sign, that's been a point of excitement because I think if you

2609
03:28:02,350 --> 03:28:05,750
If you put that out on the main street, it would be pretty amazing.

2610
03:28:06,190 --> 03:28:09,510
It would be something that when you go to leave some of it, you might come across that sign.

2611
03:28:10,030 --> 03:28:12,110
But this is just a look at it again.

2612
03:28:12,730 --> 03:28:15,810
Nothing is set with the exterior of this building.

2613
03:28:16,670 --> 03:28:20,430
The only thing we feel really confident about is the physical massing.

2614
03:28:20,830 --> 03:28:24,230
The number of rooms, the height, where the restaurant would go.

2615
03:28:24,590 --> 03:28:27,110
Outside of that, the look really could change significantly.

2616
03:28:30,960 --> 03:28:33,080
Again, that's the sign I love so much.

2617
03:28:33,740 --> 03:28:37,360
But this is a northward facing view.

2618
03:28:37,600 --> 03:28:39,000
You kind of get a sense of it.

2619
03:28:39,640 --> 03:28:42,140
It really, I believe adds a lot to that corner.

2620
03:28:42,140 --> 03:28:46,000
It becomes a nice gateway into the green street development

2621
03:28:49,490 --> 03:28:51,310
just another aerial view

2622
03:28:52,390 --> 03:28:57,110
I mean, you know, once again, I think it kind of it kind of speaks for itself

2623
03:28:57,110 --> 03:29:03,290
It's I believe a nice front door if nothing else and also when it's done

2624
03:29:03,290 --> 03:29:09,270
Something that I believe would fit in really nicely with what is here especially if we design

2625
03:29:09,270 --> 03:29:11,490
The building the correct way on the exterior

2626
03:29:12,170 --> 03:29:17,710
Like Brandon said, it's a little tricky because it really is a four-sided facing building, which is an ideal,

2627
03:29:18,330 --> 03:29:24,790
because you really want to be able to go really grand on a front, you know, entry, and then you can be a little more basic.

2628
03:29:25,250 --> 03:29:28,070
This isn't really one of those things because it really is seen from everywhere.

2629
03:29:31,990 --> 03:29:33,570
This would be the first floor layout.

2630
03:29:35,290 --> 03:29:36,890
So this kind of gives you a sense of it.

2631
03:29:37,010 --> 03:29:39,230
You put the restaurant right up in front.

2632
03:29:40,330 --> 03:29:43,050
The restaurant, I think I'm going to get to, I think, is on another one of these slides,

2633
03:29:43,050 --> 03:29:44,850
but we would have a lot of fun with that,

2634
03:29:44,990 --> 03:29:45,870
like we did with all of our restaurants.

2635
03:29:46,410 --> 03:29:47,970
You put the restaurant right up in front,

2636
03:29:48,010 --> 03:29:50,970
lobbies in the middle, you can see it's kind of,

2637
03:29:50,970 --> 03:29:53,350
it's designed to be kind of a setback,

2638
03:29:53,390 --> 03:29:54,870
special lobby entry.

2639
03:29:56,210 --> 03:29:59,970
You would actually drop off on the back, of course.

2640
03:30:00,420 --> 03:30:08,540
There's no car on the front of this thing. And then there's also, I think, really nice, some outdoor space, off of the restaurant, and off of the meeting space.

2641
03:30:14,420 --> 03:30:19,820
These are just some precedent images. This is what we would basically want it to look like.

2642
03:30:20,760 --> 03:30:29,160
If you took some pictures of something you really liked, some images that you thought you could use when you were trying to design, what this would really look like, this is what they are.

2643
03:30:29,160 --> 03:30:34,020
So we know brick, we know neon, we think kind of a grand entry.

2644
03:30:34,500 --> 03:30:36,540
You can see some of these entries on here are interesting.

2645
03:30:36,900 --> 03:30:39,060
I think a lot of landscaping.

2646
03:30:39,220 --> 03:30:43,420
That's why you see a lot of plants just tie in to what it is,

2647
03:30:43,620 --> 03:30:44,220
green street.

2648
03:30:47,990 --> 03:30:49,810
These are some of our interiors,

2649
03:30:50,890 --> 03:30:52,490
and like I said, interior precedent,

2650
03:30:52,650 --> 03:30:55,270
which is this is kind of what we wanted to look like.

2651
03:30:56,130 --> 03:30:57,710
We would really want the lobby,

2652
03:30:57,970 --> 03:31:01,910
which has pretty much that image on the left or the one on the bottom.

2653
03:31:01,910 --> 03:31:04,930
We really want to allow you to kind of overwhelm you a little bit.

2654
03:31:05,170 --> 03:31:08,910
The truth is once you get to the floors, there's only so much you can do.

2655
03:31:09,350 --> 03:31:12,490
So once you get to the floors, but you really want to grab people when they first come in

2656
03:31:12,490 --> 03:31:12,770
the building.

2657
03:31:13,170 --> 03:31:15,090
So it really like overwhelm them if you can.

2658
03:31:18,090 --> 03:31:21,890
Again, this is just a restaurant exterior view.

2659
03:31:22,850 --> 03:31:29,010
We would want to do something approachable, but very nice and completely custom, something

2660
03:31:29,010 --> 03:31:29,970
that's only going to get.

2661
03:31:30,010 --> 03:31:33,490
Just like we said, tell with the name novels, it would get done one time and never done

2662
03:31:33,490 --> 03:31:37,950
Yeah, you wouldn't have a, it's a person actually think per se, it's like a very

2663
03:31:37,950 --> 03:31:41,370
thing, it's restaurants, I don't know why they use that name, but if it was per

2664
03:31:41,370 --> 03:31:44,830
se, there's not going to be a per se too, you know, it's like it's done one time,

2665
03:31:45,230 --> 03:31:48,490
it's done the best we can do it, and then it stays there forever.

2666
03:31:51,240 --> 03:31:51,860
These are kind of

2667
03:31:51,860 --> 03:31:57,760
some present images, like I said, really beautiful restaurants, I think. A lot of

2668
03:31:57,760 --> 03:32:02,040
ours kind of focus on a little bit over the top bar, which isn't really pictured

2669
03:32:02,040 --> 03:32:08,160
here. I think at one point we were thinking Italian, that was a while ago. We would obviously,

2670
03:32:09,060 --> 03:32:12,080
it's like a running joke coming up with a restaurant as much harder than figuring out

2671
03:32:12,080 --> 03:32:16,120
the hotel. Because there's just so many options or so many things you can do, and then

2672
03:32:16,120 --> 03:32:20,160
you have to be able to do it. You know, it's like a hotel room is a pretty, pretty simple thing.

2673
03:32:20,320 --> 03:32:24,100
A restaurant we can go a lot of ways, but I think we've spent a lot of time in the market trying

2674
03:32:24,100 --> 03:32:26,260
to find the best fit we could.

2675
03:32:30,490 --> 03:32:31,650
This is my slide?

2676
03:32:31,850 --> 03:32:32,690
No, I'll take that slide.

2677
03:32:33,750 --> 03:32:36,290
Well, I'll just, yeah, I'll just, I'll finish up.

2678
03:32:37,230 --> 03:32:41,010
You know, I think this kind of gives a general look at it.

2679
03:32:41,110 --> 03:32:45,530
Like I said, the only thing I feel like would be really set for us would be about the massing,

2680
03:32:46,190 --> 03:32:51,890
about the size of the building, you know, where we want to put the restaurant, how those kind of things would work.

2681
03:32:52,250 --> 03:32:57,910
And I do believe it could be just a, you know, a signature hotel really.

2682
03:32:58,210 --> 03:32:59,470
I would even say for the state.

2683
03:32:59,470 --> 03:33:05,130
You know, you know, you don't, not a lot of these types of hotels get built, we're probably

2684
03:33:05,130 --> 03:33:06,650
one of the few people that do it.

2685
03:33:06,930 --> 03:33:10,950
And that's what we enjoy so much about it is that they can't really be replicated.

2686
03:33:11,750 --> 03:33:17,790
So I do believe it would be, like I said, it would create even more gravity around downtown.

2687
03:33:18,330 --> 03:33:23,850
And I do think our goal would be to not only do something that was just beautiful and

2688
03:33:23,850 --> 03:33:27,510
kind of overwhelmed people that weren't really sitting at, but also like giving you a different

2689
03:33:27,510 --> 03:33:28,070
option.

2690
03:33:28,070 --> 03:33:32,090
Like we're people would say like I'm going into that area, but I think I'm going to stay in downtown Lisa

2691
03:33:32,810 --> 03:33:36,790
You know, so that would really be our goal. I think that was my last. Yeah,

2692
03:33:42,870 --> 03:33:44,690
who was it my last life?

2693
03:33:46,270 --> 03:33:48,150
Sorry, yeah, thank you

2694
03:33:49,050 --> 03:33:50,470
Actually like you on that one for a minute

2695
03:33:52,190 --> 03:33:53,450
Appreciate it, yeah

2696
03:33:54,270 --> 03:33:55,690
In addition to creating

2697
03:33:55,690 --> 03:34:02,030
Charming accommodations for downtown Lisa, I'm at this hotel will function as an economic engine

2698
03:34:02,030 --> 03:34:09,430
hotels while serving their hometown in a number of ways and uniquely, compared to other commercial projects,

2699
03:34:09,910 --> 03:34:15,850
almost exclusively bring in outside tax dollars and high-volume visitors from the region.

2700
03:34:16,670 --> 03:34:22,910
Additionally, this hotel will truly activate the Green Street Market building by attracted new uses for the space

2701
03:34:22,910 --> 03:34:25,090
once that complement the existing programming.

2702
03:34:25,090 --> 03:34:30,550
Green Street Market has already hosted many great events, but we'd all like to see it be

2703
03:34:30,550 --> 03:34:36,930
busier, live-lear, creating more vibrancy, and also more revenue for the city and local

2704
03:34:36,930 --> 03:34:37,430
businesses.

2705
03:34:38,390 --> 03:34:44,350
Up to this point, I've painted a broad picture of this hotel's economic impact, but I like

2706
03:34:44,350 --> 03:34:47,750
to get into some specifics that you see now on the screen.

2707
03:34:48,570 --> 03:34:53,310
I like to start with the sales tax on room sales because that is very straightforward and easy

2708
03:34:53,310 --> 03:34:53,950
to quantify.

2709
03:34:53,950 --> 03:34:59,950
And estimated $7.2 million over 30 years will be generated for the BISC.

2710
03:35:00,000 --> 03:35:06,680
Business in industry tax also known as the hotel tax. Additionally, over that time span, over $4 million

2711
03:35:06,680 --> 03:35:14,140
for the city and $1.5 million for the CID on sales taxes on room rentals. I want to repeat,

2712
03:35:14,480 --> 03:35:20,320
these figures only represent sales tax on room sales alone, do not consider and do not consider

2713
03:35:20,320 --> 03:35:27,360
other direct and indirect benefits from this project. These income streams alone represent $12.7 million

2714
03:35:27,360 --> 03:35:31,380
and direct economic benefits of the city, city services, and

2715
03:35:31,380 --> 03:35:35,000
benefactors of the hotel tax in the downtown business interest.

2716
03:35:35,780 --> 03:35:38,900
These tax revenues will not be touched by the incentive proposal.

2717
03:35:39,840 --> 03:35:42,380
We commissioned the third party economic impact study to help

2718
03:35:42,380 --> 03:35:46,540
quantify the ripple effects of this project and hear some of the findings.

2719
03:35:47,480 --> 03:35:51,500
The hotel and restaurant are projected to produce $37.7 million

2720
03:35:51,500 --> 03:35:56,020
in new tax revenue to the city alone over 30 years.

2721
03:35:56,020 --> 03:36:02,880
The net benefit to the city should be confirmed upon finalizing in incentive structure if we're able to get to that point.

2722
03:36:03,500 --> 03:36:06,340
100,000 new visitors just in the first three years.

2723
03:36:06,660 --> 03:36:13,680
These visitors will spend money on transportation, food, and beverage, entertainment, services, soft goods, etc.

2724
03:36:14,240 --> 03:36:20,040
Which, once again, are not included in a $12.7 million figure noted previously.

2725
03:36:20,340 --> 03:36:24,280
All those are indirect benefits, which will undoubtedly be spent.

2726
03:36:24,280 --> 03:36:28,860
A hundred and six jobs supported annually between the hotel and restaurant bring in nearly

2727
03:36:28,860 --> 03:36:33,660
forty-five million dollars in labor earnings over the first ten years, a hundred and twenty-one

2728
03:36:33,660 --> 03:36:38,600
construction jobs during the project's construction phase and comprehensively the third party

2729
03:36:38,600 --> 03:36:43,920
impact study projects at the project will create two hundred million dollars in total economic

2730
03:36:43,920 --> 03:36:48,600
activity and that is merely over the first ten years. I think it's important to note

2731
03:36:48,600 --> 03:36:52,920
that the impact study did not consider revenues to the city through events held in Green

2732
03:36:52,920 --> 03:37:00,000
in the Green Street Marketplace building that the hotel is responsible for attracting, such as weddings, corporate events, and such.

2733
03:37:00,620 --> 03:37:03,860
So, there's significant upside beyond what is being shared this evening.

2734
03:37:06,370 --> 03:37:08,550
This slide boils down the incentive structure.

2735
03:37:09,770 --> 03:37:16,570
The proposal presented tonight is a product of ongoing discussions with the city staff, downtown stakeholders, elected officials,

2736
03:37:17,230 --> 03:37:19,450
to find a solution that is mutually beneficial.

2737
03:37:19,450 --> 03:37:30,370
The thoracic group has less than a concerns and has made significant concessions in adjustments to this incentive request in order to reach an objective of finding a win-win for all parties involved.

2738
03:37:31,210 --> 03:37:36,870
I'd like to note that there are proposals much more modest than the requirements of other hotel groups that also consider the site.

2739
03:37:37,810 --> 03:37:48,530
One thing I'd like to emphasize before we get into specifics is that none of the proposed tax incentives on this proposal take a penny from any sales tax streams that exist today.

2740
03:37:48,530 --> 03:37:55,170
relying only on new tax streams that the hotel itself creates, while still leaving tax sales

2741
03:37:55,170 --> 03:37:58,850
tax on room sales to the taxing jurisdictions and other benefactors.

2742
03:38:00,370 --> 03:38:05,170
The first component of the request is a municipal loan in the amount of 4 million, most

2743
03:38:05,170 --> 03:38:10,290
importantly, this loan will be personally guaranteed by the thrash group.

2744
03:38:12,400 --> 03:38:16,180
I want to pause on that, because this is hugely important.

2745
03:38:16,180 --> 03:38:21,500
The developer is giving their own personal guarantee regardless of project performance.

2746
03:38:22,160 --> 03:38:28,340
The loan will also generate interest at a rate of 4% which would equate to over 2.3 million

2747
03:38:28,340 --> 03:38:34,260
dollars of revenue to the city in addition to the 4 million dollars in principle payments during

2748
03:38:34,260 --> 03:38:38,280
the term of the loan. The interest rate is in keeping with the rate to return the city

2749
03:38:38,280 --> 03:38:41,320
receives with other city investments under its current policy.

2750
03:38:41,320 --> 03:38:47,800
But those investments do not come at the ad to benefit about the direct and indirect new tax

2751
03:38:47,800 --> 03:38:48,320
streams.

2752
03:38:48,580 --> 03:38:54,120
To bolster the true returns to the city, which allows for a balanced risk adjusted return,

2753
03:38:54,680 --> 03:38:55,600
with significant upside.

2754
03:38:56,800 --> 03:39:00,860
Some may ask by the developer or need a loan for this project, which is a great question.

2755
03:39:01,740 --> 03:39:06,320
The reason is that this loan will be secondary in position to the primary bank loan,

2756
03:39:07,100 --> 03:39:09,980
They're by allowing a reduction in equity and improved

2757
03:39:09,980 --> 03:39:11,840
cash on cash returns.

2758
03:39:12,220 --> 03:39:13,820
They're making the project more feasible.

2759
03:39:14,820 --> 03:39:17,640
This creative structure is a win-win because it allows the city to

2760
03:39:17,640 --> 03:39:19,820
receive the significant upside beyond their typical

2761
03:39:19,820 --> 03:39:23,320
investment returns while shifting through new taxes generated

2762
03:39:23,320 --> 03:39:27,220
solely by the project substantially all of the risk

2763
03:39:27,220 --> 03:39:28,820
back onto the developer.

2764
03:39:29,780 --> 03:39:33,920
Next up is the tip eats, which once again are limited to

2765
03:39:33,920 --> 03:39:36,260
sales tax on food and beverage only since we're

2766
03:39:36,260 --> 03:39:41,280
sales are excluded. The majority of the sales tax revenues will come for room rentals.

2767
03:39:42,200 --> 03:39:44,920
However, there are some food and beverage, and that's what's being captured.

2768
03:39:45,680 --> 03:39:50,020
The developers proposing that the tip will be put in place to recapture sales taxes.

2769
03:39:51,600 --> 03:39:57,200
Up to 100% of the city and downtown CID taxes and 50% of county and zoo taxes.

2770
03:39:57,920 --> 03:39:59,900
This was increased from a previous version.

2771
03:40:00,000 --> 03:40:06,220
Now, the package that we share to allow the developer to remove the B&I, also known as the hotel tax.

2772
03:40:07,280 --> 03:40:14,040
As a reminder, the hotel tax will not be redirected under this proposal, nor will the sales tax on room sales.

2773
03:40:15,080 --> 03:40:21,560
Which is a huge and significant change based on conversation with city staff, council members, and downtown stakeholders.

2774
03:40:22,600 --> 03:40:29,120
Next is chapter 353 property tax abatement. This structure has already been put in place to facilitate the development at Green Street.

2775
03:40:29,120 --> 03:40:35,320
Currently there are no taxes being generated by the property since it's owned by the city.

2776
03:40:36,400 --> 03:40:45,780
Under this plan the developer would starve by paying 50% of property taxes after 10 years in the full amount after 25, following the language of the existing 353 plan.

2777
03:40:46,720 --> 03:40:50,560
Next is sales tax exemption on construction materials known as Stechem.

2778
03:40:51,240 --> 03:40:55,940
And finally land donation. The developers were proposing a grant of the land use on this property.

2779
03:40:55,940 --> 03:41:03,080
It avoids a need to grow the municipal loan, and they need to redirect any of the B and I, otherwise known as the Poetel Tax.

2780
03:41:04,100 --> 03:41:11,320
One thing is for sure, building a hotel here, any hotel, it's not going to be possible without some level public private partnership.

2781
03:41:12,120 --> 03:41:19,740
And we'll likely be comparable if that significantly more to what is being requested by this proposal if we were to go with another group.

2782
03:41:19,740 --> 03:41:25,200
Additionally, in this case, you have a developer who is willing to sign a personal guarantee.

2783
03:41:30,480 --> 03:41:33,440
This page sums up everything I just described in a financial sentence.

2784
03:41:33,840 --> 03:41:37,780
This information is similar to what you will see from David Bushwick and the staff presentation,

2785
03:41:37,980 --> 03:41:40,520
showing the incentive ask in relation to project size.

2786
03:41:41,060 --> 03:41:44,900
In the first table, you will see that we have four components of our incentive request,

2787
03:41:44,980 --> 03:41:50,140
each expressed in terms of net present value and total dollar amount over a given period of time.

2788
03:41:50,140 --> 03:41:59,240
Over on the right side of the page, you will see the ratio of incentives to project costs is about 22% in line with previous incentive packages granted by the city.

2789
03:42:00,020 --> 03:42:11,140
It's very important to note that we have separated out the $4 million loan from the rest of the requests in that calculation of the ratio because it functions differently than a typical incentive.

2790
03:42:11,640 --> 03:42:16,260
I'm like a property tax abatement which reduces property taxes, but never be paid back.

2791
03:42:16,680 --> 03:42:22,320
This is a true loan that will be paid back to the city, in full, with interest, along with

2792
03:42:22,320 --> 03:42:27,320
additional upside to the city that will come from direct and indirect taxes generated by

2793
03:42:27,320 --> 03:42:29,980
the project, which has mentioned before will be substantial.

2794
03:42:34,100 --> 03:42:38,600
This side simply provides a greater detail of the calculation of the proposed sales tax

2795
03:42:38,600 --> 03:42:42,760
reduction that I mentioned on previous slide if you have any questions we can cover those

2796
03:42:42,760 --> 03:42:44,360
in the Q&A after the presentation.

2797
03:42:45,920 --> 03:42:47,960
Moving to the Pro-Forma Summary page,

2798
03:42:49,180 --> 03:42:50,720
this old straits the developers expected

2799
03:42:50,720 --> 03:42:51,640
to return on investment.

2800
03:42:52,420 --> 03:42:53,640
You can see here that the developers

2801
03:42:53,640 --> 03:42:55,440
were directing an average daily rental rate

2802
03:42:55,440 --> 03:42:58,160
to be $160 per room night in your two

2803
03:42:58,160 --> 03:42:59,000
upon stabilization.

2804
03:42:59,280 --> 03:43:00,780
That's an average across the week.

2805
03:43:01,580 --> 03:43:03,560
This charge shows how income expenses

2806
03:43:05,140 --> 03:43:07,380
and net income played together.

2807
03:43:08,320 --> 03:43:10,640
Really, the main thing I want to show you here

2808
03:43:10,640 --> 03:43:13,980
on this page is the developers expected and leverage return.

2809
03:43:14,720 --> 03:43:17,500
This is a metric commonly used in the commercial real estate industry

2810
03:43:17,500 --> 03:43:19,260
to measure project's viability.

2811
03:43:20,540 --> 03:43:26,740
6.14% in year one and 7.03 in year two upon stabilization.

2812
03:43:27,620 --> 03:43:31,940
And I can tell you these are very slim returns for a project of this type

2813
03:43:31,940 --> 03:43:33,880
that carries the associated risk.

2814
03:43:34,440 --> 03:43:36,600
As you know, lane four develops properties of our own

2815
03:43:36,600 --> 03:43:39,540
and we're familiar with market standards for return thresholds.

2816
03:43:39,540 --> 03:43:45,160
We feel confident that the Kothrasch groups project the returns are lower than market standards for project of this nature.

2817
03:43:46,160 --> 03:43:59,640
There's a lot of risk to take on associated with the new development, which can take years in significant amount of money and expense before the hotel is even open and generating revenue thereby necessitating risk adjusted returns.

2818
03:44:00,120 --> 03:44:06,280
As I mentioned before, we spoke with many hotel operators nearly all of them are requiring a 9 or 10% return.

2819
03:44:06,280 --> 03:44:10,000
some even more in order to consider hotel on that site.

2820
03:44:10,340 --> 03:44:14,680
Not one of those groups propose a hotel as quality is the novelist.

2821
03:44:15,420 --> 03:44:17,020
For those familiar with real estate finance,

2822
03:44:17,200 --> 03:44:21,420
a difference between 7% return and 9% to 10% return is a huge difference

2823
03:44:21,420 --> 03:44:24,100
and shows a thrash group's commitment to this project.

2824
03:44:24,580 --> 03:44:27,580
It also shows a fairer imbalance in sound structure that provides for

2825
03:44:27,580 --> 03:44:32,100
upside for the taxing jurisdictions and significant risk by the developer.

2826
03:44:35,740 --> 03:44:40,380
Finally, as we wrap up this presentation, I'd like to recap a few highlights to this proposal.

2827
03:44:41,460 --> 03:44:45,120
We believe that the thrash group has to report what the thrash group has to propose here tonight

2828
03:44:45,120 --> 03:44:52,220
is a rare opportunity to compete the master plans vision for the hotel component of Green Street.

2829
03:44:53,100 --> 03:44:57,780
They are uniquely positioned through their experience with boutique hotels, the counteracts of the market headwinds.

2830
03:44:57,840 --> 03:44:59,260
We covered at the beginning of the presentation.

2831
03:44:59,260 --> 03:44:59,980
Thank you very much for watching, and I'll see you in the next video, and I'll see you in the next video.

2832
03:45:00,000 --> 03:45:05,160
And there are confident in taking on risks that come with a hope tell of this quality. Based on years

2833
03:45:05,160 --> 03:45:09,860
of work on this project, we are also confident that another hotel developer with this vision

2834
03:45:09,860 --> 03:45:15,740
at this level in Sen is, is not a likely scenario anytime soon. In short, we believe this

2835
03:45:15,740 --> 03:45:20,700
opportunity represents the highest quality concept we could have envisioned for the site,

2836
03:45:20,960 --> 03:45:25,540
with a much slimmer incentive package that most of the today's developers would find acceptable.

2837
03:45:26,020 --> 03:45:30,440
Thank you to the community and the Council tonight for the ability to make this conceptual

2838
03:45:30,440 --> 03:45:31,060
presentation.

2839
03:45:31,400 --> 03:45:33,060
We welcome your questions and comments.

2840
03:45:33,660 --> 03:45:34,440
Thank you.

2841
03:45:36,060 --> 03:45:37,200
Thank you.

2842
03:45:37,300 --> 03:45:37,900
Mr. Bushwick.

2843
03:45:51,730 --> 03:45:51,890
All right.

2844
03:45:52,050 --> 03:45:54,430
I'll start with the good news, which is I have one slide.

2845
03:45:56,010 --> 03:46:00,270
But I will discuss each of these components separately, so you have a good understanding

2846
03:46:00,270 --> 03:46:03,750
of what each of these are and I have some comments about certain of them.

2847
03:46:03,750 --> 03:46:12,490
So we'll start at the top, and the first component of this request is sales tax exemption on construction materials.

2848
03:46:13,230 --> 03:46:14,610
The city owns the property today.

2849
03:46:14,810 --> 03:46:20,650
The technique that we usually use is either through chapter 100 or through the LCRA to achieve city ownership.

2850
03:46:21,930 --> 03:46:28,590
So a discussion point, if you give positive feedback and we do move forward as we will investigate exactly how to structure that piece of it.

2851
03:46:28,590 --> 03:46:32,450
But the benefit of that to the developer we were quantifying

2852
03:46:32,450 --> 03:46:34,010
that reduced their project cost.

2853
03:46:34,270 --> 03:46:36,070
It's sales tax exemption on the construction materials

2854
03:46:36,070 --> 03:46:39,370
to build a facility in the estimated benefit

2855
03:46:39,370 --> 03:46:44,590
to the developer is $717,000, which is 2.6% of the total

2856
03:46:44,590 --> 03:46:45,570
project cost down here.

2857
03:46:45,570 --> 03:46:48,370
And this is the metric that we typically use that I've

2858
03:46:48,370 --> 03:46:49,750
analyzed before for you.

2859
03:46:50,030 --> 03:46:51,070
Tax increment financing.

2860
03:46:51,870 --> 03:46:54,710
This is a sales tax only tip that they're proposing.

2861
03:46:55,790 --> 03:46:58,350
Tax increment financing allows the city to capture two

2862
03:46:58,350 --> 03:47:03,490
types of revenue. The property tax increment, the increased property taxes, the resulting from

2863
03:47:03,490 --> 03:47:08,090
the added value to the property and 50 percent of the sales taxes. I'll get to this

2864
03:47:08,090 --> 03:47:11,810
in a moment, but one of their requests is property tax abatement. So there's no property

2865
03:47:11,810 --> 03:47:20,730
tax increment to capture. As a result, the tip request is a sales tax only tip. The base tip for

2866
03:47:20,730 --> 03:47:26,120
sales taxes is 50 percent capture, which means 50 percent of all the sales taxes that are

2867
03:47:26,120 --> 03:47:30,820
by entities besides the state, local sales taxes, which means the county, the city, the

2868
03:47:30,820 --> 03:47:36,760
zoo district, and the downtown CID. The tiff would operate to capture 50% of those sales

2869
03:47:36,760 --> 03:47:42,900
tax revenues. Tiff does not capture sales tax revenues on hotel rooms. That's a specific

2870
03:47:42,900 --> 03:47:47,420
exclusion. So that's one of the things that the developer pointed out to you. However,

2871
03:47:47,600 --> 03:47:53,540
they are requesting that from the city and the CID's contribution for this, the other 50%

2872
03:47:53,540 --> 03:47:58,760
not captured, as a matter of state law, would be contributed by the city from the food

2873
03:47:58,760 --> 03:47:59,260
and beverage.

2874
03:47:59,940 --> 03:48:04,620
So, the end result of this tip from the city's perspective is all of the city's sales

2875
03:48:04,620 --> 03:48:08,980
tax revenues from the rooms would flow as normal, not captured by the tip.

2876
03:48:09,560 --> 03:48:12,180
But this tip would capture 100%.

2877
03:48:12,180 --> 03:48:12,960
This is their request.

2878
03:48:13,000 --> 03:48:16,840
100% of the food and beverage sales tax revenue that results.

2879
03:48:17,440 --> 03:48:19,180
And that is also their request of the CID.

2880
03:48:19,180 --> 03:48:27,820
So, the downtown CID would also need to consent to that additional 50% capture if you give positive feedback and that's something that would have to be negotiated.

2881
03:48:29,040 --> 03:48:34,900
Next, the 353, through the 353, they're requesting a land contribution, essentially free land.

2882
03:48:35,580 --> 03:48:46,480
Value of the land from the developers perspective, $576,000, which was the city's acquisition cost, that's 2.1% of the total project cost.

2883
03:48:46,480 --> 03:48:51,880
and sorry, I didn't quantify the TIF, 1.8 million, which is 6.6% so that's a substantial amount

2884
03:48:51,880 --> 03:48:52,880
of the incentive request.

2885
03:48:53,940 --> 03:48:59,880
And then finally, as far as the incentive request goes, property tax abatement, 100% for

2886
03:48:59,880 --> 03:49:02,740
10 years and then 50% for the next 15 years.

2887
03:49:03,240 --> 03:49:08,420
Under 353, the value of the land is actually taxable in that state.

2888
03:49:09,020 --> 03:49:14,320
So what the county would do, if you ultimately approve a 353 plan for this tax abatement,

2889
03:49:14,320 --> 03:49:17,220
The county would value the land as it sits today.

2890
03:49:17,700 --> 03:49:19,920
Taxes would be paid just on the value of the land

2891
03:49:19,920 --> 03:49:23,380
and the remaining increased land value and the value added

2892
03:49:23,380 --> 03:49:26,040
to the property from the improvements that would all be abated.

2893
03:49:26,820 --> 03:49:29,640
So the benefit to the developers about $2.9 million,

2894
03:49:30,020 --> 03:49:32,100
that's 10% of total project costs.

2895
03:49:33,460 --> 03:49:36,020
So to do the apples to apples type of comparison

2896
03:49:36,960 --> 03:49:39,820
that we typically do when we analyze these incentive requests,

2897
03:49:40,240 --> 03:49:42,500
they're incentive requests for all of these items here

2898
03:49:42,500 --> 03:49:47,700
is 22% of total project costs, which is that slightly the higher end of the range that we

2899
03:49:47,700 --> 03:49:52,340
talk about, which is typically between 5% and 25% for incentivized projects.

2900
03:49:52,800 --> 03:49:57,500
Then we get to the next component of the request, the developers are requesting a loan from

2901
03:49:57,500 --> 03:49:59,060
the city in the amount of $4 million.

2902
03:50:00,000 --> 03:50:09,140
A few things that I can tell you about the loan. It would be one typo in my part. They have requested 25 years repayment

2903
03:50:09,140 --> 03:50:16,160
not 20, so it would be amortized and repaid over a period of 25 years. It would be subordinate to their primary loan,

2904
03:50:16,460 --> 03:50:22,600
meaning a mortgage, deed of trust on the property would take priority and the city's loan would be second to that primary loan.

2905
03:50:22,600 --> 03:50:28,780
They are proposing to repay the loan at what their characterizing is a premium interest to the city.

2906
03:50:29,540 --> 03:50:35,140
So this 4.25 percent is slightly more than what the city earns on its investments.

2907
03:50:37,580 --> 03:50:43,660
The city's investments, the cities reserves are invested, pursuing to state law and city requirements.

2908
03:50:44,260 --> 03:50:48,440
And the amount that's earned by the city at the moment is around 3.5% before percent.

2909
03:50:48,440 --> 03:50:55,140
So their proposal is a premium interest for this loan, which would result in $2.3 million

2910
03:50:55,140 --> 03:50:58,060
in interest paid to the city over a 25-year period.

2911
03:50:59,240 --> 03:51:03,840
One of the debates that we had was how to characterize this loan.

2912
03:51:05,320 --> 03:51:10,680
So I initially was thinking, I was preparing this table, that this loan would be included as part

2913
03:51:10,680 --> 03:51:16,080
of the incentive request, but they pointed out what I just said to you, which is the plan

2914
03:51:16,080 --> 03:51:20,860
to repay the loan and with a premium interest rate, which means the city would be fully compensated.

2915
03:51:21,300 --> 03:51:24,700
So their point was, it's not really part of the incentive request, but it is something

2916
03:51:24,700 --> 03:51:28,560
they're requesting, which is why it's listed separately here, and I'm talking about it separately.

2917
03:51:30,960 --> 03:51:35,040
The purpose for the loan is the developers indicated is to enhance their equity contribution

2918
03:51:36,020 --> 03:51:37,900
when they receive their private financing.

2919
03:51:37,960 --> 03:51:42,860
So when they go receive a private loan, this can be counted as additional equity, and it reduces

2920
03:51:42,860 --> 03:51:47,640
the developers risk because it would presumably be at a lower interest rate compared to their

2921
03:51:47,640 --> 03:51:48,300
private financing.

2922
03:51:48,840 --> 03:51:52,740
So those are the reasons that the developers making this request and you can certainly talk

2923
03:51:52,740 --> 03:51:56,880
with them about those reasons when we get to the question and discussion.

2924
03:51:58,840 --> 03:52:02,380
Another question you might have is there any precedent for the city doing this?

2925
03:52:02,740 --> 03:52:06,220
We can think of one example and that is the long-view tax increment financing plan.

2926
03:52:06,220 --> 03:52:17,880
The city made a $3.65 million loan to the developer in Longview several years ago to stabilize the historic buildings.

2927
03:52:18,060 --> 03:52:30,440
And if you remember, there used to be a huge hole in one of the barns that was repaired, the farmhouses were stabilized, and that was $3.65 million that the city did loan to the developer to undertake that work.

2928
03:52:31,560 --> 03:52:37,260
That loan has been fully repaid, and at the time the loan was made, we knew of many years

2929
03:52:37,260 --> 03:52:38,980
of revenue that the tip had been generating.

2930
03:52:40,000 --> 03:52:44,140
For the active businesses and the mansion, all of the projects that had previously been

2931
03:52:44,140 --> 03:52:49,680
activated before the city provided that loan, we had at least a decade, over a decade

2932
03:52:49,680 --> 03:52:54,380
of revenue history, and so at the time the city made the loan, we had a fairly high degree

2933
03:52:54,380 --> 03:52:59,220
of certainty, then unless a tornado came through and took out the long-view area, it would continue

2934
03:52:59,220 --> 03:53:02,460
to produce the revenue as it had them for many years,

2935
03:53:02,880 --> 03:53:04,240
and the loan was successfully paid off.

2936
03:53:04,340 --> 03:53:06,620
So there's some precedent for city loan,

2937
03:53:06,740 --> 03:53:09,780
but that's really the only example that I can think of.

2938
03:53:10,200 --> 03:53:14,100
Another point that I will mention is I explain to you

2939
03:53:15,060 --> 03:53:17,760
that the incentive policy that city staff follows

2940
03:53:17,760 --> 03:53:20,420
is a filtering mechanism when that comes forward.

2941
03:53:20,580 --> 03:53:23,720
And one of the developers request that we discussed extensively

2942
03:53:24,340 --> 03:53:26,660
was initially would the city consider

2943
03:53:27,260 --> 03:53:31,720
diverting and contributing the hotel gross receipts tax, that's the business and industry

2944
03:53:31,720 --> 03:53:32,140
tax.

2945
03:53:32,620 --> 03:53:34,700
And just for clarity, it's not a sales tax.

2946
03:53:35,020 --> 03:53:40,360
The way it works is the hotels in the city basically send 5% of all their revenues to

2947
03:53:40,360 --> 03:53:41,120
the city every month.

2948
03:53:41,280 --> 03:53:42,480
It's a gross receipts tax.

2949
03:53:42,680 --> 03:53:46,460
So 5% of whatever they bring in, they send to the city, it's not a sales tax.

2950
03:53:47,060 --> 03:53:50,420
The developer initially asked, is that something that the city would consider?

2951
03:53:51,720 --> 03:53:55,740
Staff team had previously considered that request from other projects and the answer was

2952
03:53:55,740 --> 03:53:56,640
know in those cases.

2953
03:53:56,840 --> 03:54:00,500
And so the answer was we'd prefer not to do that in this case, so that came out of the

2954
03:54:00,500 --> 03:54:00,840
request.

2955
03:54:01,200 --> 03:54:04,780
And that's something that the developer just pointed out in their presentation that

2956
03:54:04,780 --> 03:54:10,540
the business and industry tax and the city's host, the city's sales tax revenue, on

2957
03:54:10,540 --> 03:54:14,920
the rooms, would continue to flow as normal in addition to all the other spin-off economic

2958
03:54:14,920 --> 03:54:18,020
benefits that the developer has provided in their revenue study.

2959
03:54:18,420 --> 03:54:23,260
So business and industry tax is not touched and would flow as normal for whatever purposes

2960
03:54:23,260 --> 03:54:24,500
you appropriate that money for.

2961
03:54:24,500 --> 03:54:25,160
I

2962
03:54:28,840 --> 03:54:31,420
think that concludes all of my initial comments.

2963
03:54:31,860 --> 03:54:39,880
I think that's a decent explanation of what each of these components are, and I'll stop there and be happy to answer questions or listen to your discussion with the developer.

2964
03:54:40,660 --> 03:54:42,100
Thank you.

2965
03:54:42,460 --> 03:54:43,060
All right.

2966
03:54:43,620 --> 03:54:44,920
Anybody want to chime in?

2967
03:54:45,140 --> 03:54:45,820
May we pretend shields.

2968
03:54:46,340 --> 03:54:47,280
Thank you.

2969
03:54:48,280 --> 03:54:48,800
Let's see.

2970
03:54:50,140 --> 03:54:57,980
So I think it's said in there as far as like the CID abating their portion of the EATS, that would be a discussion with the CID board.

2971
03:54:57,980 --> 03:54:59,840
have they been approached about this today?

2972
03:55:00,000 --> 03:55:03,480
Court of Court do not know. I let the developer speak to that.

2973
03:55:08,400 --> 03:55:14,220
We have approached them to discuss it with the removal of the B&I, otherwise known as the hotel

2974
03:55:14,220 --> 03:55:22,940
tax. That was a change for that went from 50 to 100%. We also mistakenly assumed that there

2975
03:55:22,940 --> 03:55:27,880
was no sales tax on the room nights when there was. We thought that was in lieu of what

2976
03:55:27,880 --> 03:55:34,100
hotel tax so that was our mistake. So kind of ended up being an added benefit so I know

2977
03:55:34,100 --> 03:55:38,480
I'm planning to attend the CID meeting tomorrow morning with Ryan. I don't know how much detail

2978
03:55:38,480 --> 03:55:43,380
we'll get into it but they're obviously an important component to this project and we want to make sure

2979
03:55:43,380 --> 03:55:48,660
we have their full support so that will be discussed an extensive detail with that group. Obviously

2980
03:55:48,660 --> 03:55:53,960
there's lots of business owners. We're hopeful that and they see the value to hotel and we're

2981
03:55:53,960 --> 03:55:58,420
we're hoping for their support. So that's something we'll be very transparent and open about as we

2982
03:55:58,420 --> 03:56:03,800
progress forward if that's what's determined after the night. Okay, I definitely like to see

2983
03:56:03,800 --> 03:56:08,100
those conversations happen. I know they're an important partner and everything that downtown does,

2984
03:56:08,480 --> 03:56:13,220
so I appreciate that. Absolutely. Yeah, we look forward to that opportunity. Also, I'd say thank you

2985
03:56:13,220 --> 03:56:19,740
for taking the B&I, Bateman out of the incentive request, as staff mentioned, that's something that

2986
03:56:19,740 --> 03:56:23,940
we haven't done before and we're very nervous about setting that kind of precedent. So I appreciate

2987
03:56:23,940 --> 03:56:30,120
the kind of creative looking at ways to make that make the numbers work without that, so thank

2988
03:56:30,120 --> 03:56:36,840
you for following that. As far as the land contribution,

2989
03:56:38,900 --> 03:56:40,860
if we did that, is there a possibility

2990
03:56:40,860 --> 03:56:45,720
of having some kind of a revertor clause or something like that, so if the project wasn't built

2991
03:56:45,720 --> 03:56:49,240
in a certain amount of time that the property would revert back to the city, or would it not

2992
03:56:49,240 --> 03:56:52,340
be conveyed until after it was built or how would that work?

2993
03:56:52,340 --> 03:56:55,360
As far as how that's put together, that's up for discussion.

2994
03:56:56,420 --> 03:56:57,440
To me, that seems reasonable.

2995
03:56:57,640 --> 03:56:59,340
That's not my ultimate decision here.

2996
03:57:00,320 --> 03:57:00,400
Okay.

2997
03:57:00,580 --> 03:57:01,460
Again, that thumbs up.

2998
03:57:01,840 --> 03:57:03,440
But, you know, I think you'll see just from working

2999
03:57:03,440 --> 03:57:03,900
with the show.

3000
03:57:03,980 --> 03:57:06,680
I know we're a little bit of a third party perspective here,

3001
03:57:07,040 --> 03:57:08,460
but you seem very agreeable.

3002
03:57:09,900 --> 03:57:11,180
And, you know, we'll consider all this.

3003
03:57:11,180 --> 03:57:13,660
It's always nice to look at everything as a whole package.

3004
03:57:13,720 --> 03:57:15,200
You know, before you make final decisions,

3005
03:57:15,280 --> 03:57:16,780
you're going to go shape things one by one,

3006
03:57:17,540 --> 03:57:20,220
but it sounds like that's something he's open minded to considering.

3007
03:57:20,220 --> 03:57:32,260
But that's definitely, I would want to see I think I've seen that one other cities have made land donation as part of a transaction that that's that's in there to protect the city so I would like that and then

3008
03:57:32,260 --> 03:57:43,400
Would there be any kind of like a right of first refusal if if the property was sold within a certain amount of time just thinking in terms of like the term of the loan the term of the incentives with the city have any ability to

3009
03:57:43,400 --> 03:57:44,380
I don't think I'm

3010
03:57:44,380 --> 03:57:47,620
But I hope I tell that I'm, I just want to share again that we're going to do.

3011
03:57:47,700 --> 03:57:52,780
It's been, I think it's, I'm sure there's precedent elsewhere for a discussion like that for sure.

3012
03:57:53,680 --> 03:57:55,660
So once again, I think that's a great thing to kind of have.

3013
03:57:56,460 --> 03:58:01,760
Obviously, the city's not only a benefactor of this project, but a partner to a certain degree,

3014
03:58:02,480 --> 03:58:05,080
being that this is part of the master plan for the Green Street project,

3015
03:58:05,600 --> 03:58:09,300
we're trying to bring the city's vision in the stakeholders that created the master plan.

3016
03:58:09,300 --> 03:58:16,200
So we see the cities of hotel are as a partner to the hotel, whether it's director indirect.

3017
03:58:16,440 --> 03:58:18,760
And so we want to work in mutually beneficial arrangement.

3018
03:58:19,200 --> 03:58:20,420
Okay, appreciate that.

3019
03:58:21,720 --> 03:58:25,320
You know, looking at the city alone, I know that's something that we don't do very often.

3020
03:58:26,380 --> 03:58:30,580
I do appreciate the personal guarantee being added to that.

3021
03:58:31,600 --> 03:58:35,940
I guess it seems like what we're sort of weighing and maybe Mr. Bush, this is a question for you.

3022
03:58:35,940 --> 03:58:49,020
It seems like we get a little bit higher interest rate, so there's a little bit more income to the city, but obviously a higher risk than just putting money in a treasury for five years, ten years.

3023
03:58:50,000 --> 03:58:59,700
But then, as kind of the developer had in their presentation, more potential upside for the city, that whereas if we just put it in treasuries, yeah, we get a guaranteed rate return, but we don't see that money invested in our community.

3024
03:58:59,820 --> 03:59:03,260
Is that kind of the balancing act that we're weighing with that?

3025
03:59:03,260 --> 03:59:18,640
Yes, and I think you would also naturally, in this situation, what you're doing is sort of putting on the scale, the cost, which are these items, and then the benefits, obviously, in the spin-off benefits and the sales tax benefits they would flow through.

3026
03:59:18,640 --> 03:59:25,940
And then when you get to the city loan, the risk there is obviously interest is compensation

3027
03:59:25,940 --> 03:59:29,460
to the lending party for the risk of not being repaid.

3028
03:59:29,540 --> 03:59:34,780
So there's always the risk, however, slight given the personal guarantee that the loan wouldn't

3029
03:59:34,780 --> 03:59:35,260
be repaid.

3030
03:59:35,280 --> 03:59:39,020
That's the ultimate risk to the city and how does one of the parameters under which that would

3031
03:59:39,020 --> 03:59:40,700
happen with the probability I don't know.

3032
03:59:41,140 --> 03:59:45,820
We would have to go through some due diligence if you provide positive feedback to investigate

3033
03:59:45,820 --> 03:59:50,140
the wherewithal of that personal guarantee to get comfortable with it.

3034
03:59:50,460 --> 03:59:51,720
But back to your question,

3035
03:59:52,380 --> 03:59:53,820
I think you're on the right track,

3036
03:59:54,060 --> 03:59:56,040
which is you're weighing all of these different factors,

3037
03:59:56,260 --> 03:59:58,140
both the financial and the non-financial

3038
03:59:58,140 --> 03:59:59,980
and the benefits that this...

3039
04:00:00,000 --> 04:00:05,520
Would provide if you want to pursue filling the space with a hotel or some other sort of private

3040
04:00:05,520 --> 04:00:09,100
development. Put all of those items on the scale and kind of weigh it out in your decision.

3041
04:00:09,380 --> 04:00:09,840
Calculus.

3042
04:00:10,580 --> 04:00:16,820
And I was just doing quick calculations with like an amperceation calculator. It seems like the difference

3043
04:00:16,820 --> 04:00:20,440
between our three and a half percent or so that we get our investment right now. Now, that

3044
04:00:20,440 --> 04:00:27,460
4.25 is roughly $500,000 over the course of the 25 years. I don't have to bear.

3045
04:00:27,460 --> 04:00:32,340
I just thought it was just an actually lines up almost exactly with the value of the land contribution.

3046
04:00:33,040 --> 04:00:39,520
So just a coincidence that it actually almost makes me more comfortable with that and that it brings a little bit more revenue

3047
04:00:39,520 --> 04:00:46,560
into the city sort of maybe not directly in exchange for that property but helps make us us whole there as well.

3048
04:00:47,360 --> 04:00:50,520
So I think this is a really interesting and creative package.

3049
04:00:51,340 --> 04:00:57,240
I love the hotel just to be really clear and I've given that feedback when I've met with the developer prior to this.

3050
04:00:57,240 --> 04:01:00,900
I think it's a great concept, I think it'd be a huge benefit

3051
04:01:00,900 --> 04:01:02,100
in our set to our downtown.

3052
04:01:02,960 --> 04:01:04,760
I wanted to see the numbers and I appreciate what's

3053
04:01:04,760 --> 04:01:05,660
been brought to us.

3054
04:01:05,760 --> 04:01:07,840
And I think that this is reasonable.

3055
04:01:08,100 --> 04:01:11,500
The total incentive request and the estimated rate of return

3056
04:01:11,500 --> 04:01:12,980
seems very reasonable.

3057
04:01:14,400 --> 04:01:15,620
I understand breaking the loan out

3058
04:01:15,620 --> 04:01:18,760
is not necessarily incentive, although it kind of benefits

3059
04:01:18,760 --> 04:01:21,160
both that it's a lower interest rate than developer

3060
04:01:21,160 --> 04:01:23,420
would be paying on the private market,

3061
04:01:23,440 --> 04:01:25,640
but it's higher interest rate than we would get investing

3062
04:01:25,640 --> 04:01:34,200
in treasuries, so it kind of seems like a win-win, assuming we get repaid, but I would support

3063
04:01:34,200 --> 04:01:39,660
moving forward with this and continuing to sharpen those details, looking at things like

3064
04:01:39,660 --> 04:01:44,400
making sure that we have a revertor clause for any property that's transferred and things

3065
04:01:44,400 --> 04:01:49,160
like that, and doing more diligence on those guarantees, but overall is a concept.

3066
04:01:49,820 --> 04:01:53,360
I love the project, and I would be comfortable with the incentive package.

3067
04:01:53,840 --> 04:01:54,320
Thank you.

3068
04:01:54,320 --> 04:01:55,600
Thank you.

3069
04:01:55,700 --> 04:01:56,340
Catch me in the front.

3070
04:01:57,100 --> 04:01:57,580
Thank you, Mayor.

3071
04:01:58,420 --> 04:02:00,180
Council Member Shields.

3072
04:02:00,180 --> 04:02:01,100
Mayor put some shields.

3073
04:02:01,440 --> 04:02:06,000
Cot, most of my questions, just one for Mr. Buckley or Mr. Drasch.

3074
04:02:06,240 --> 04:02:14,880
As the intentions to use, it was mentioned earlier in the night, the green, excuse me, the city garage for parking.

3075
04:02:21,410 --> 04:02:23,310
Realistically, I mean, we're going to violate.

3076
04:02:24,030 --> 04:02:29,770
You know, as I know, I'm sure we would intend some of that parking would go into the city garage.

3077
04:02:29,770 --> 04:02:34,810
I know we can't have restricted spaces, but one of the great things about a hotel is one of the

3078
04:02:34,810 --> 04:02:38,770
really positive things is we're pretty much always calendar flow on parking, so you know our

3079
04:02:38,770 --> 04:02:42,410
people come in at night and they leave early in the morning, so when people are coming into

3080
04:02:42,410 --> 04:02:48,990
city hall or whatever, we're really not using up a lot of spaces, but yes, I think it's like a

3081
04:02:48,990 --> 04:02:53,750
long running job, we spend 90% of our time on parking in restaurants, but yeah, I think some of

3082
04:02:53,750 --> 04:02:58,730
them would be expected to park inside the garage. Okay, I appreciate the answer.

3083
04:02:59,770 --> 04:03:04,310
I'm not to repeat anything, Mayor Pritch from Schilsers.

3084
04:03:04,310 --> 04:03:05,210
I think I'm good, Mayor.

3085
04:03:05,330 --> 04:03:05,730
Thank you.

3086
04:03:05,870 --> 04:03:06,290
Thank you.

3087
04:03:07,090 --> 04:03:07,110
Thanks.

3088
04:03:07,230 --> 04:03:07,970
I can't remember Frazier.

3089
04:03:09,730 --> 04:03:17,130
I like the 166 jobs post construction and I appreciate the

3090
04:03:17,130 --> 04:03:22,470
abatement or lack thereof of the B&I text so that piece I'm definitely a fan of.

3091
04:03:23,390 --> 04:03:29,550
I want to say I have been to the origin as part of

3092
04:03:29,550 --> 04:03:32,130
Another project I was working on with World Cup.

3093
04:03:32,450 --> 04:03:34,570
I've seen it and you are absolutely correct

3094
04:03:35,670 --> 04:03:39,230
when you walk in, at least in that particular location

3095
04:03:39,230 --> 04:03:40,770
and you've said, wow, I didn't see that coming.

3096
04:03:41,110 --> 04:03:41,990
I totally unexpected.

3097
04:03:42,130 --> 04:03:45,710
I actually got lost, but I was supposed to have an appointment

3098
04:03:45,710 --> 04:03:48,290
down there, because it's right next to the CPC

3099
04:03:48,290 --> 04:03:51,970
and what it is, the development that they're doing down there.

3100
04:03:53,430 --> 04:03:55,050
So the vibe was great.

3101
04:03:55,130 --> 04:03:56,950
The energy was great as you mentioned.

3102
04:03:57,390 --> 04:03:59,410
The numbers aren't in yet, but I would venture

3103
04:03:59,410 --> 04:04:01,930
to say because I know England was not England,

3104
04:04:02,110 --> 04:04:03,850
excuse me, Argentina was saying there.

3105
04:04:03,950 --> 04:04:05,390
So the numbers aren't in yet,

3106
04:04:05,410 --> 04:04:09,470
but I know they're very significant to that area down there.

3107
04:04:09,550 --> 04:04:12,630
I also had the opportunity to look at metal broke,

3108
04:04:12,910 --> 04:04:15,250
where England was, and as you know,

3109
04:04:15,530 --> 04:04:18,050
that sit right in the middle of Prairie Village.

3110
04:04:19,830 --> 04:04:22,210
And the vibe there was also absolutely wonderful.

3111
04:04:22,350 --> 04:04:23,810
Those numbers aren't in yet, either,

3112
04:04:23,850 --> 04:04:27,490
but I'd venture to say, and that's actually in very near

3113
04:04:27,490 --> 04:04:30,790
residential, multi-family, and single-family homes.

3114
04:04:32,230 --> 04:04:34,730
So those numbers are significant as well.

3115
04:04:35,130 --> 04:04:36,670
The property is very unique.

3116
04:04:37,210 --> 04:04:38,930
I'm going to use the word eclectic.

3117
04:04:39,750 --> 04:04:44,110
It's people who are just walking in, just walking for the restaurant

3118
04:04:44,110 --> 04:04:44,710
and so forth.

3119
04:04:45,290 --> 04:04:49,930
So I would definitely be in support of this opportunity

3120
04:04:49,930 --> 04:04:52,470
and at least some of it because I think it could only

3121
04:04:52,470 --> 04:04:55,630
complement what's happening down near Green Street.

3122
04:04:55,630 --> 04:04:59,970
I think there was some comment there was commentary earlier today about

3123
04:05:00,000 --> 04:05:17,620
You know, red rock and the, excuse me, red, the thank you red rock, red rock, um, that. And so I don't know if you can speak to your relationship or, or with that particular property there or, or.

3124
04:05:17,700 --> 04:05:21,640
Are you sorry about the, sorry, the one we own in, uh, golden? Yeah.

3125
04:05:21,640 --> 04:05:24,060
Is that something else?

3126
04:05:24,640 --> 04:05:25,660
I've completely lost.

3127
04:05:26,540 --> 04:05:28,980
Now, I think you're speaking about Red Rocks across the street.

3128
04:05:31,240 --> 04:05:33,260
A separate entity unrelated to the Joe, obviously,

3129
04:05:33,640 --> 04:05:34,760
owns that.

3130
04:05:35,200 --> 04:05:35,560
Yeah.

3131
04:05:37,000 --> 04:05:37,400
Yeah.

3132
04:05:39,180 --> 04:05:43,280
How ever a lane four related entity does own that property.

3133
04:05:43,460 --> 04:05:46,880
We enjoy a long term lease with that current tenant.

3134
04:05:47,200 --> 04:05:49,480
We have no intention of breaking that lease.

3135
04:05:49,480 --> 04:05:54,760
If the tenant worked to leave, we would also welcome the opportunity to redevelop it.

3136
04:05:55,320 --> 04:05:57,060
That's why we initially purchased it.

3137
04:05:57,080 --> 04:05:58,560
We can't go kick any tenants out.

3138
04:05:58,660 --> 04:06:00,380
That's an our best interest.

3139
04:06:01,620 --> 04:06:05,000
But it is a great piece of ground and we're hopeful that with everything going on

3140
04:06:05,000 --> 04:06:07,840
and downtown Lee Summit that presents an opportunity in the future.

3141
04:06:08,480 --> 04:06:08,560
Okay.

3142
04:06:09,940 --> 04:06:10,800
Great. Great.

3143
04:06:11,280 --> 04:06:12,400
And just one other quick question.

3144
04:06:12,700 --> 04:06:14,020
I'm sorry for Mr. Music.

3145
04:06:14,860 --> 04:06:17,980
Just one other question about the land contribution.

3146
04:06:17,980 --> 04:06:21,140
And have we done anything like that before?

3147
04:06:21,300 --> 04:06:22,640
And like, Simon, I'm just not aware.

3148
04:06:26,340 --> 04:06:28,560
OK, not like nothing

3149
04:06:31,480 --> 04:06:32,040
coming in.

3150
04:06:32,040 --> 04:06:33,320
OK, that's fine.

3151
04:06:33,540 --> 04:06:35,240
I just, if we think of it, we'll tell you.

3152
04:06:35,280 --> 04:06:36,320
That would be great.

3153
04:06:36,360 --> 04:06:38,120
I just wondered if there was any kind of person answer

3154
04:06:38,120 --> 04:06:38,360
for that.

3155
04:06:38,400 --> 04:06:40,560
But I would be definitely in support of this.

3156
04:06:40,560 --> 04:06:42,600
I know that there are still some unanswered questions,

3157
04:06:42,680 --> 04:06:43,340
and some things.

3158
04:06:43,720 --> 04:06:47,900
Probably you'll have to discuss with development services

3159
04:06:47,900 --> 04:06:48,460
and whatnot.

3160
04:06:49,320 --> 04:06:51,880
But overall, I'm definitely in support of this.

3161
04:06:51,880 --> 04:06:52,840
I think it's a great idea.

3162
04:06:52,840 --> 04:07:00,640
have seen it work. So, very thank you. So we have Councilmember Edkins. Guess we'll just hear her voice.

3163
04:07:00,840 --> 04:07:02,620
We can't see her.

3164
04:07:02,840 --> 04:07:09,780
Oh, sorry. Thanks for putting up with me coming in and out. Um, would you mind Mr. Bushick

3165
04:07:09,780 --> 04:07:17,540
one more time going over the or maybe it was Mr. Buckley? There was a page just on economic benefit

3166
04:07:17,540 --> 04:07:20,900
because you review that one more time, economic impact.

3167
04:07:21,440 --> 04:07:24,360
It was just one slide, it was a white slide

3168
04:07:24,360 --> 04:07:26,440
that talked about the jobs and the different kinds

3169
04:07:26,440 --> 04:07:27,520
of tax revenue.

3170
04:07:29,260 --> 04:07:30,880
It was fuzzy on my screen at the time,

3171
04:07:31,080 --> 04:07:33,620
but because you walk through it one more time.

3172
04:07:33,820 --> 04:07:34,720
Yep, I can do that.

3173
04:07:34,740 --> 04:07:37,620
And can the back room switch back to the podium

3174
04:07:37,620 --> 04:07:40,040
so I can bring that up.

3175
04:07:40,180 --> 04:07:40,560
There we go.

3176
04:07:45,240 --> 04:07:49,300
And I think probably these two slides

3177
04:07:49,300 --> 04:07:50,460
is what you're talking about, right?

3178
04:07:50,460 --> 04:08:14,840
Yep. Okay. And is it question for me or are the applicant? I just wondered if you could go over it verbally one more time if you could because this is an addition to and I think the applicant has said it because this isn't it just this is to be clear for us and for anyone who's watching the

3179
04:08:14,840 --> 04:08:22,820
incentives, these benefits are, in addition to the incentives, so we can, yes, okay, yes.

3180
04:08:23,000 --> 04:08:26,360
I'm granting the incentives that have come before, but this is the economic impact that happens

3181
04:08:26,360 --> 04:08:29,980
after the incentives, which only come after the project is built anyway.

3182
04:08:30,380 --> 04:08:31,100
That's correct.

3183
04:08:31,800 --> 04:08:35,940
I can walk through each of these just to clarify, I'll go ahead and explain what I think

3184
04:08:35,940 --> 04:08:40,260
each of these means and then the developer can correct me or we're at anything they like.

3185
04:08:40,600 --> 04:08:44,600
But in walking through these line by line, the first line business and industry tax,

3186
04:08:44,600 --> 04:08:47,840
That's the hotel growth receipts tax that I discussed.

3187
04:08:48,820 --> 04:08:50,780
That flows as normal, and there are estimate

3188
04:08:50,780 --> 04:08:53,840
of $7.2 million over 30 years to the business

3189
04:08:53,840 --> 04:08:54,500
industry tax.

3190
04:08:54,500 --> 04:08:56,140
That's the 5% growth receipts tax.

3191
04:08:56,720 --> 04:09:00,280
Then the next line, sales tax on room rentals,

3192
04:09:00,780 --> 04:09:02,320
all the sales tax charged by the city

3193
04:09:02,320 --> 04:09:04,160
and the other taxing districts on room rentals

3194
04:09:04,160 --> 04:09:06,820
will flow as normal because that's not capture as tough.

3195
04:09:07,700 --> 04:09:11,940
So in this case, separate room, sales tax from the rooms,

3196
04:09:12,140 --> 04:09:13,600
versus sales tax from everything else.

3197
04:09:13,600 --> 04:09:18,000
food beverage and anything, any other products that they might sell like a gift store or something

3198
04:09:18,000 --> 04:09:18,820
like that.

3199
04:09:20,160 --> 04:09:24,080
The room rentals will not be captured by TIF and so they are stating the benefit there on

3200
04:09:24,080 --> 04:09:25,000
that bullet point.

3201
04:09:26,400 --> 04:09:31,220
Then the next sales tax and room rentals for the CID will also remain untouched over 30 years,

3202
04:09:31,360 --> 04:09:33,300
so that is a distinct benefit to the CID.

3203
04:09:34,380 --> 04:09:40,620
Then the next line, economic activity, I think that is a summary of the benefit of the hotel

3204
04:09:40,620 --> 04:09:45,260
operations and the visitors and what they spend in the community over a period of 10 years,

3205
04:09:45,380 --> 04:09:46,520
so they spin off benefits.

3206
04:09:47,320 --> 04:09:52,200
Then the next 44.8 million in labor earnings over 10 years, that is from the construction

3207
04:09:52,200 --> 04:09:57,160
of the project and the jobs that are supported annually by the hotel and the restaurant.

3208
04:09:58,400 --> 04:09:59,960
New Room 9th, that's self-explanatory.

3209
04:10:01,400 --> 04:10:12,820
And there was actually a typo on that one. It's 16,000 new occupiers, reunites each year for the first three years. So multiply that by three, by three. So, okay.

3210
04:10:14,360 --> 04:10:22,740
Then, number of new visitors, is there estimate from the revenue study, total economic activity, resulting from 121 jobs during construction.

3211
04:10:23,820 --> 04:10:36,380
That's the economic benefit of those jobs and then they've stated these other benefits anchors the green street mixed use project and the developer will pay the city 3.2 million in interest on the loan in addition to repayment of the

3212
04:10:36,380 --> 04:10:45,260
2.3 million in interest in addition to the principle amount of the loan repay to the city so that that's kind of the summary of of this table that developer

3213
04:10:46,560 --> 04:10:54,100
Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. I want to say that earlier when I hadn't received

3214
04:10:54,100 --> 04:10:59,000
yet a lot of details about the breakdown of how the incidents would work. I was skeptical

3215
04:10:59,000 --> 04:11:07,980
about why we would choose to put a hotel there if it was hard to find other hotels to come

3216
04:11:07,980 --> 04:11:13,580
because it was a difficult project. Why we would choose to do so. But the more and more that I hear

3217
04:11:13,580 --> 04:11:17,440
from community leaders, especially downtown Main Street,

3218
04:11:17,660 --> 04:11:19,240
and businesses that have been down there,

3219
04:11:19,560 --> 04:11:24,580
the more that I hear from them about how passionate they are

3220
04:11:24,580 --> 04:11:25,540
about bringing this.

3221
04:11:25,920 --> 04:11:28,100
I had not realized before that this is something

3222
04:11:28,680 --> 04:11:30,760
that they've all been envisioning for decades

3223
04:11:30,760 --> 04:11:34,240
because they know what downtown there's supposed to be like,

3224
04:11:34,560 --> 04:11:37,160
when you have old downtowns like we do.

3225
04:11:38,240 --> 04:11:39,520
And that several of them have said

3226
04:11:39,520 --> 04:11:41,320
that they believe it would be transformative,

3227
04:11:41,320 --> 04:11:45,380
they believe it would drive all kinds of extra activity.

3228
04:11:46,600 --> 04:11:49,340
It could be stay-cations or date nights,

3229
04:11:49,460 --> 04:11:53,580
or people coming in for business there at sea hall

3230
04:11:53,580 --> 04:11:56,500
or there with other clients coming in and out.

3231
04:11:56,840 --> 04:12:01,820
They would just drive so much activity and energize it

3232
04:12:01,820 --> 04:12:03,880
almost like Mr. Thrash has done this before.

3233
04:12:04,600 --> 04:12:07,300
But he knows that it drives energy and creates

3234
04:12:07,300 --> 04:12:08,760
an environment like that.

3235
04:12:08,760 --> 04:12:13,340
I was really pleased to know that so many of the city people want one of this to happen.

3236
04:12:13,420 --> 04:12:20,420
So many of the business owners down there, and that's who I look to for guidance on these types of

3237
04:12:21,760 --> 04:12:26,700
transformative things. So I appreciate all the details and I appreciate the emphasis on

3238
04:12:27,620 --> 04:12:33,020
how the city can benefit directly from it. So I would be, I would be in support of moving forward

3239
04:12:34,900 --> 04:12:38,100
with this project. So thank you, Mayor. Thank you. Appreciate it.

3240
04:12:40,480 --> 04:12:41,960
Thank you, Mayor.

3241
04:12:42,800 --> 04:12:48,380
I think I have one question left that did not get hit.

3242
04:12:49,240 --> 04:12:54,100
And that is to the developer.

3243
04:12:55,760 --> 04:12:59,120
I'm not sure who said it or if I heard it correctly.

3244
04:12:59,580 --> 04:13:04,760
But did somebody say they're going to need control,

3245
04:13:05,120 --> 04:13:07,420
partial control over Green Street?

3246
04:13:15,010 --> 04:13:19,990
Right, Elon Musk isn't city manager, no they're they're not going to need control.

3247
04:13:20,330 --> 04:13:20,890
Okay.

3248
04:13:20,890 --> 04:13:23,170
Keyboard is not in there.

3249
04:13:23,530 --> 04:13:33,030
We've we've had brief conversations and and I was part of talking with a few of the finalists as far as the hotel groups.

3250
04:13:33,790 --> 04:13:44,270
And I will say the conversations with the thrash group have been more about how to be supportive and helpful over control, which was not the same with some of the other groups

3251
04:13:48,710 --> 04:14:01,370
So I'll just say, you know, the pictures you showed are definitely beautiful, there is the laugh actor, although I do know that's not really what it's going to look like, but I can see your vision, right?

3252
04:14:01,370 --> 04:14:04,490
I can understand that.

3253
04:14:07,700 --> 04:14:18,760
Parking concerns me, but you've said you're going to valet, and so, you know, I know we can't, you know, dig however many feet down into the ground to put parking down there.

3254
04:14:19,440 --> 04:14:22,920
So, I get it. But that's a concern for me.

3255
04:14:25,300 --> 04:14:30,660
I appreciate this economic benefit slide.

3256
04:14:30,660 --> 04:14:37,400
I mean, I get it. I understand all of that. It is a very big ask for me.

3257
04:14:40,030 --> 04:14:57,530
I'm probably a little bit more conservative than most of us up here. So, that is concerning for me that ask, and really, so my biggest concern would be David, you're going to have to protect us, right? So,

3258
04:14:57,530 --> 04:14:58,550
um

3259
04:15:00,000 --> 04:15:07,170
I know that you will do that, and I know that you will work through that, and you will protect us in the best way you can.

3260
04:15:12,410 --> 04:15:20,710
And then, you know, it's, it's beautiful. It's a laugh factor. I just don't know if I can get over the ask, right?

3261
04:15:20,710 --> 04:15:38,790
So, I do also know that on this sales tax slide you had where you're taking what from and where you have the public safety sales tax in there to be collected and I would be not for that.

3262
04:15:39,110 --> 04:15:50,130
I mean, I understand that's one more per revenue but adding that many more people to downtown, we're going to need more feed on the ground down here to protect everything.

3263
04:15:50,130 --> 04:15:57,470
And so I can't see taking that, but I'm also interested in what downtown and the CID have

3264
04:15:57,470 --> 04:16:02,330
to say, and I know that this is a group effort and a collaboration.

3265
04:16:04,510 --> 04:16:05,990
So that's where I am.

3266
04:16:06,430 --> 04:16:07,790
Thank you for your comments.

3267
04:16:07,990 --> 04:16:12,470
And I just want to hit on one item as far as the economic benefit, that's something we look

3268
04:16:12,470 --> 04:16:18,790
forward to being very transparent on, one thing that I feel very confident about is just how

3269
04:16:18,790 --> 04:16:24,250
hotels, especially one like this that's experiential. It's different than any hotel in least

3270
04:16:24,250 --> 04:16:28,730
summit. It's going to bring in those new tax dollars and when you think about, you're

3271
04:16:28,730 --> 04:16:34,070
not just adding something else at the community already has me just shifting the money around.

3272
04:16:34,210 --> 04:16:39,090
You're bringing in that new revenue and so I find it, maybe I'm just a real estate nerd, but

3273
04:16:39,090 --> 04:16:46,410
I find it very fascinating how these hotels are such economic generators. And so we'll have

3274
04:16:46,410 --> 04:16:51,650
fun time diggin' into numbers and seeing what it provide me between ubers and food and beverage

3275
04:16:51,650 --> 04:16:52,530
and services.

3276
04:16:52,810 --> 04:16:56,150
And let's say somebody comes here for a wedding and they're maybe they're up there.

3277
04:16:56,290 --> 04:17:01,230
Wedding party, you know, getting dresses, whatever it may be, there's a lot of anxiety

3278
04:17:01,230 --> 04:17:01,730
revenue.

3279
04:17:01,990 --> 04:17:06,830
And so we look forward to showing up these numbers and continuing to look at all the income

3280
04:17:06,830 --> 04:17:07,370
streams.

3281
04:17:07,870 --> 04:17:14,690
We also with a third party economic impact study that individual said he's willing to share

3282
04:17:14,690 --> 04:17:19,830
his thoughts and whatnot on the hotel project, so I want to be fully transparent and make sure

3283
04:17:19,830 --> 04:17:21,830
you guys have all the information you need.

3284
04:17:22,130 --> 04:17:22,450
Thank you.

3285
04:17:22,610 --> 04:17:23,450
I appreciate that.

3286
04:17:23,730 --> 04:17:31,010
I have state and boutique hotels before and all over the country, so I do know that they really

3287
04:17:32,070 --> 04:17:39,470
do provide what you're saying and another great restaurant is a great thing, yes, it's just

3288
04:17:39,470 --> 04:17:42,850
a big ask for me and so I just want to be honest with everybody.

3289
04:17:44,790 --> 04:17:50,330
I do just want to say one thing, I mean the way it's framed is really a true public private

3290
04:17:51,630 --> 04:17:58,750
partnership and on your first statement, we really see ourselves just as a great support function

3291
04:17:58,750 --> 04:17:59,790
to these things.

3292
04:18:00,010 --> 04:18:04,370
I mean just an example, we're going to do a lot of wedding parties and so all I ever asked was

3293
04:18:04,370 --> 04:18:08,590
like, hey, can we have like a great, if this ever happens, a great open line of communication

3294
04:18:09,130 --> 04:18:14,630
to who runs that, because we could be like your best customer ever. But yes, just to be clear,

3295
04:18:14,830 --> 04:18:20,290
in no way, where we say, oh, I should control that. You know, I want to be very clear. Yeah,

3296
04:18:20,990 --> 04:18:25,010
that would probably be a bridge too far for me if I was sitting on, you know, on the other end

3297
04:18:25,010 --> 04:18:39,820
of that. No, I just want to be clear on that. All right. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right.

3298
04:18:39,820 --> 04:18:46,900
how we shot this out. So I understand that the location is unique by itself because it's a smaller,

3299
04:18:46,900 --> 04:18:53,700
smaller space. As a developer, how many hotels did you kind of look into before we came

3300
04:18:53,700 --> 04:19:02,780
to this particular? A lot. I mean at least four me by my count. I do want to mention that

3301
04:19:02,780 --> 04:19:10,460
for owns the company I'm with owns two hotels we were just not capable of or confident enough

3302
04:19:10,460 --> 04:19:15,520
to do what the thrash group does. It was initially envisioned that we would come in and

3303
04:19:15,520 --> 04:19:22,640
do the hotel component here but it does require a really specific set of experience and knowledge

3304
04:19:22,640 --> 04:19:28,500
to operate something like this that's so operations heavy you're talking about running a restaurant

3305
04:19:28,500 --> 04:19:36,280
and something unique, you know, I don't want to undersell our own hotel projects, but when

3306
04:19:36,280 --> 04:19:41,280
you have a branded flag, they come, whether it's Marriott or Hilton or HG, they say,

3307
04:19:41,680 --> 04:19:46,740
okay, here's three color palettes that choose from. Pick one. Here's your furniture you're

3308
04:19:46,740 --> 04:19:52,880
getting. You know, and so they make it easy, which is great, but it's not unique. So it was

3309
04:19:52,880 --> 04:19:57,840
really important for us to go out and find that group who has done this in a unique way in

3310
04:19:57,840 --> 04:19:59,760
in terms of having ever project be unique.

3311
04:20:01,090 --> 04:20:14,270
And thrash is really bubbled to the surface. I mean, it's pretty apparent we first talk with them. We're also lucky that he has a hotel here in Kansas City that really helped to get him in town to see the experience, the downtown.

3312
04:20:15,670 --> 04:20:29,290
So it was an extensive search, but you know, you talk about the developer pool or operator pool of hotels. If there's, you know, out of a hundred percent there's probably only, I don't know, five percent.

3313
04:20:29,290 --> 04:20:33,790
maybe not even that that even have the wear with all to do something this special

3314
04:20:33,790 --> 04:20:37,890
unique so I guess that's where I have a lot of confidence personally in the

3315
04:20:37,890 --> 04:20:44,330
thrash group and why we brought them forth tonight we did boil it down to three

3316
04:20:44,330 --> 04:20:50,170
groups that we thought were all good good quality groups and you know it's pretty

3317
04:20:50,170 --> 04:20:56,090
obvious that that thrash group was the best of the three we had them all come in

3318
04:20:56,730 --> 04:21:01,530
presentations, give us details on how they would handle incentives, how they would handle

3319
04:21:02,230 --> 04:21:08,750
coordination with Green Street, the marketplace, and so that's where we kind of settled on the

3320
04:21:08,750 --> 04:21:13,830
thrash group. So it was an extensive search. Does that answer your question? Yeah, yeah, it does.

3321
04:21:14,070 --> 04:21:16,190
So what was the biggest separator?

3322
04:21:18,490 --> 04:21:21,950
Joe was the only group? The thrash group was the only group

3323
04:21:21,950 --> 04:21:24,190
who was willing to do something truly unique.

3324
04:21:24,610 --> 04:21:28,890
The other two groups were, what's the right term for it?

3325
04:21:28,890 --> 04:21:31,110
Maybe more cookie cutter or common hotels.

3326
04:21:31,470 --> 04:21:36,270
What I described earlier, we kind of pick your color package

3327
04:21:36,270 --> 04:21:38,470
and things like that, which is fine.

3328
04:21:38,510 --> 04:21:40,110
It would still be a good hotel experience.

3329
04:21:40,270 --> 04:21:43,090
It would still bring value to the downtown.

3330
04:21:43,310 --> 04:21:48,130
It's still bring vibrancy by creating all those new visitor bodies

3331
04:21:48,130 --> 04:21:49,830
on the street and vibrancy.

3332
04:21:51,030 --> 04:21:55,490
But, you know, I think you heard tonight Joe has a little bit of a unique perspective

3333
04:21:57,050 --> 04:22:00,770
where their business models are almost kind of to go over the top and really submit

3334
04:22:00,770 --> 04:22:04,170
yourself as a key or key place and be a sense of place.

3335
04:22:04,930 --> 04:22:09,490
So I think there's a lot of untouched or untapped potential when you talk about the Amtrak line

3336
04:22:09,490 --> 04:22:15,370
and how people take the Amtrak down the Herman and just we can nights days so, you know,

3337
04:22:15,370 --> 04:22:21,130
We felt like he just best, also we were sitting in a lot of meetings, you know, community

3338
04:22:21,130 --> 04:22:25,450
stakeholder meetings, as far as the different components of the project when we initially

3339
04:22:26,470 --> 04:22:31,410
conceived the Green Street Market layout and master plan, and what a lot of people really

3340
04:22:31,410 --> 04:22:36,610
wanted was that Churbutica talent and really trash group was only one to propose that.

3341
04:22:37,770 --> 04:22:44,830
And then last question, so amongst the three, was the incentive as creative as this one?

3342
04:22:44,830 --> 04:22:48,410
So was it kind of similar in a way?

3343
04:22:49,050 --> 04:22:52,090
No, in fairness to the other group, we've had a lot more groups.

3344
04:22:52,630 --> 04:22:55,670
We've had a lot more time to talk about this one.

3345
04:22:56,830 --> 04:23:05,850
You know, if you're talking about other retail or commercial projects, there's more incentive

3346
04:23:05,850 --> 04:23:07,050
streams to pull from.

3347
04:23:07,150 --> 04:23:09,870
We couldn't pull from the sales tax revenue, obviously.

3348
04:23:10,250 --> 04:23:13,090
That's a big benefit to the city, because we can't.

3349
04:23:13,090 --> 04:23:18,170
But really, when you think about another important point is when you talk about the other hotel

3350
04:23:18,730 --> 04:23:28,110
groups, they had very, I guess their restaurant services was an afterthought.

3351
04:23:28,250 --> 04:23:32,670
It was maybe some pizzas that went in a convection oven and maybe that was 300 to 600,000

3352
04:23:32,670 --> 04:23:33,670
dollars in the sales.

3353
04:23:34,730 --> 04:23:39,410
The fact that Joe in the thrash group are putting a restaurant in there and they have the

3354
04:23:39,410 --> 04:23:43,070
capability of having a high volume restaurant, it actually gives us something to pull

3355
04:23:43,070 --> 04:23:45,510
from to create this incentive stream.

3356
04:23:46,390 --> 04:23:49,150
So if we were sitting here tonight with a Spring Hill

3357
04:23:49,150 --> 04:23:52,110
Sweets or a Tru, or some of the other hotels

3358
04:23:52,110 --> 04:23:54,470
that were thrown out there, they didn't have that food

3359
04:23:54,470 --> 04:23:54,850
and beverage.

3360
04:23:55,070 --> 04:23:56,730
I don't know if we would have been able to make the numbers

3361
04:23:56,730 --> 04:23:59,330
work without a large loan.

3362
04:23:59,910 --> 04:24:02,350
That was what was discussed in some of the other groups.

3363
04:24:02,470 --> 04:24:04,370
One group, I could say, just wanted

3364
04:24:04,370 --> 04:24:07,970
a $7 million loan, no strings attached, no guarantee.

3365
04:24:09,050 --> 04:24:10,690
And that was their incentive ask.

3366
04:24:11,030 --> 04:24:12,530
And I mean, does that a fair characterization?

3367
04:24:12,530 --> 04:24:20,770
Yeah, so once again in all fairness we had a little more time to whittle it down and try to figure out okay

3368
04:24:20,770 --> 04:24:25,850
What's what is the true win win that both sides actually benefit from?

3369
04:24:26,750 --> 04:24:29,970
And so that's how we came to the model we have today.

3370
04:24:33,540 --> 04:24:33,660
So.

3371
04:24:33,740 --> 04:24:33,860
Good.

3372
04:24:35,080 --> 04:24:35,640
Oh, go ahead.

3373
04:24:35,660 --> 04:24:36,300
Oh, please.

3374
04:24:36,440 --> 04:24:37,000
I have this question.

3375
04:24:38,540 --> 04:24:39,860
Okay, thank you.

3376
04:24:39,960 --> 04:24:41,420
Katherine, may I pretend shields?

3377
04:24:43,140 --> 04:24:48,040
I just had a couple of quick questions, one following up on the parking, which I understand

3378
04:24:48,040 --> 04:24:53,160
if this moves forward, we'll go through full site review and all that, but I feel like

3379
04:24:53,160 --> 04:24:57,020
when we had some kind of initial discussions you were talking about, that you might

3380
04:24:57,020 --> 04:24:59,980
at least some off-site parking or have some kind of off-site agreement.

3381
04:25:09,010 --> 04:25:18,670
We have some options in mind for off-site parking for the BLA, so that is something we look like to get more detail over as we will further along.

3382
04:25:18,770 --> 04:25:27,670
Obviously we are sorely in the process right now. That is something we have thought about, absolutely, but something we would just need to drill down on this specific.

3383
04:25:27,670 --> 04:25:30,590
But the idea isn't just to fill up the city parking

3384
04:25:30,590 --> 04:25:31,710
restaurant to look at some other app.

3385
04:25:31,930 --> 04:25:32,370
That's correct.

3386
04:25:33,010 --> 04:25:37,430
I understand that's a kind of a later full design kind of question.

3387
04:25:37,970 --> 04:25:40,090
We typically have to get creative with parking.

3388
04:25:40,750 --> 04:25:43,470
As editor, it's like running jokes like restaurants and parking.

3389
04:25:44,170 --> 04:25:48,230
But it's like the last hotel we did that was similar to this setup.

3390
04:25:48,530 --> 04:25:51,190
I mean, we least 10 spaces over here,

3391
04:25:51,330 --> 04:25:54,890
released 15, you know, 100 yards of that way.

3392
04:25:54,910 --> 04:25:56,710
These are for employees like employee parking.

3393
04:25:56,730 --> 04:25:56,890
Right.

3394
04:25:56,890 --> 04:26:00,330
But we had to get creative. I mean, like, genuinely, we probably would try and see if we could

3395
04:26:00,330 --> 04:26:04,650
at least five percent space as a red rax or, you know, depending on the time of day.

3396
04:26:04,850 --> 04:26:10,630
I wouldn't be surprised if we had, you know, patches all over, and we just trained, particularly

3397
04:26:10,630 --> 04:26:14,450
for employee parking, we kind of trained it in, or it made sense.

3398
04:26:15,050 --> 04:26:16,850
But we always have to get creative, though.

3399
04:26:17,290 --> 04:26:21,490
Okay. That's helpful. Thank you. And then, you know, there was just a clarifying question.

3400
04:26:21,490 --> 04:26:27,350
And so I saw in different spots either 4% or 4.25% and 20 or 25 years for the loan term.

3401
04:26:27,510 --> 04:26:29,750
So what is the current asker is that still being refined?

3402
04:26:32,070 --> 04:26:33,250
That's still being refined.

3403
04:26:33,630 --> 04:26:35,670
So I won't negotiate for Joe.

3404
04:26:36,450 --> 04:26:39,050
But we've, we've, I think it's all been progressing.

3405
04:26:39,550 --> 04:26:40,790
And you're flying in the city's lines.

3406
04:26:40,910 --> 04:26:41,470
So I just want to show.

3407
04:26:41,570 --> 04:26:42,590
So we'll, we'll rectify.

3408
04:26:42,750 --> 04:26:43,870
Make sure that's all in the same page.

3409
04:26:43,910 --> 04:26:45,190
Next time we come before you should.

3410
04:26:45,930 --> 04:26:46,450
Next time.

3411
04:26:46,470 --> 04:26:50,150
Yeah, but as you drill down those are kind of details, obviously, we want to verify.

3412
04:26:50,150 --> 04:26:51,510
So that's all I have, thank you, Mayor.

3413
04:26:51,550 --> 04:26:52,370
Thank you.

3414
04:26:52,530 --> 04:26:56,050
Okay, before I give my comments, you all can sit down for a second.

3415
04:26:58,050 --> 04:27:02,510
I know it's been a long night and I don't want to prolong this conversation.

3416
04:27:03,370 --> 04:27:07,350
But I see some of our partners here in the room.

3417
04:27:08,310 --> 04:27:11,730
And I know we have Mr. Perry with the EDC.

3418
04:27:12,050 --> 04:27:15,910
We have, obviously, downtown Main Street, the directors here,

3419
04:27:16,070 --> 04:27:18,970
and we have Explore LS representatives as well.

3420
04:27:18,970 --> 04:27:24,670
I'm not going to ask all of you to come up and speak, but if we could get the, uh, the, uh,

3421
04:27:24,850 --> 04:27:30,110
yeah, I'm trying to make sure he's director to come up, Mr. Donning, to come up and just, perhaps

3422
04:27:30,110 --> 04:27:36,030
give us your perspective on where you might be. I know there is questions asked. I, you feel

3423
04:27:36,030 --> 04:27:39,370
about kind of what's going on and we'd love to have your input.

3424
04:27:39,890 --> 04:27:45,130
Yeah, thank you for the opportunity. I'll be honest, I'm talking from myself. We've not met

3425
04:27:45,130 --> 04:27:50,210
a board yet since he's in sort of a request came on on Friday, but a boutique hotel down

3426
04:27:50,210 --> 04:27:53,770
here has been something we've dreamed about for a long time, I think. I mean those

3427
04:27:53,770 --> 04:27:59,690
part of the original plan for Green Street is that that was a missing component as well as

3428
04:27:59,690 --> 04:28:05,850
the farmers market facility. And so I've talked a lot of my counterparts in other communities

3429
04:28:06,410 --> 04:28:12,590
over the last few days, two communities in particular that are dear to my heart, my hometown of

3430
04:28:12,590 --> 04:28:19,490
Gerardo, and then also downtown Springfield, I spent some time there as well.

3431
04:28:19,890 --> 04:28:26,170
And both of them brought in similar products, taking a big risk, both of those products,

3432
04:28:26,850 --> 04:28:31,350
the hotel vanivortence Springfield, usually successful, it led to two additional hotels

3433
04:28:31,350 --> 04:28:32,070
on the downtown.

3434
04:28:32,810 --> 04:28:39,810
It's Cape Gerardo's similar courtyard by Marriott project, that brought in an additional hotel

3435
04:28:39,810 --> 04:28:41,070
on the river front area.

3436
04:28:41,770 --> 04:28:45,370
So I mean, we see the success and both of those communities

3437
04:28:45,370 --> 04:28:48,010
will tell you, they were huge benefits

3438
04:28:48,010 --> 04:28:50,010
so they were downtown community and bringing new visitors

3439
04:28:50,010 --> 04:28:50,990
and new money.

3440
04:28:52,090 --> 04:28:55,190
I know as we talk about incentives like I also get heart burn

3441
04:28:55,190 --> 04:28:58,270
about looking at, it was like, OK, we're giving all of this.

3442
04:28:58,310 --> 04:29:00,390
But then the money money it's bringing at,

3443
04:29:00,770 --> 04:29:04,050
like from their calculations of 16,000 room nights,

3444
04:29:04,450 --> 04:29:07,030
based on that report, about $160

3445
04:29:07,030 --> 04:29:10,450
spent locally on food, beverage, and entertainment.

3446
04:29:11,410 --> 04:29:15,590
That's, I think, 2.5 million a year, just down here.

3447
04:29:15,790 --> 04:29:18,610
Because I mean, when you go to a place like a boutique hotel

3448
04:29:18,610 --> 04:29:21,110
like this, you're not just staying in your own.

3449
04:29:21,310 --> 04:29:21,870
You're going out.

3450
04:29:21,930 --> 04:29:22,970
You're getting drinks, you're shopping.

3451
04:29:23,130 --> 04:29:27,150
And I mean, that's a great opportunity to support all

3452
04:29:27,150 --> 04:29:28,750
of our small local businesses here.

3453
04:29:28,910 --> 04:29:29,950
And so it's just that excitement.

3454
04:29:31,110 --> 04:29:35,190
During COVID, I kind of learned to start since traveling

3455
04:29:35,190 --> 04:29:39,730
was hard, like I started taking many state occasions. I've stayed at most of the boutique properties

3456
04:29:39,730 --> 04:29:44,770
and Kansas State. I've done the crossroads, this avoid the Phillips. I mean those are all unique

3457
04:29:44,770 --> 04:29:50,030
experiences and to have something like this here. I think even our residents would enjoy being able

3458
04:29:50,030 --> 04:29:59,970
to, you know, be a tourist in their own backyard. And so from an economic standpoint, the instead of

3459
04:30:00,640 --> 04:30:07,600
I think it's also one of those things where it has a much greater impact than anything else we could deal with that piece of land.

3460
04:30:08,360 --> 04:30:09,000
Thank you.

3461
04:30:09,380 --> 04:30:10,400
I appreciate that a whole lot.

3462
04:30:10,780 --> 04:30:11,860
That's exactly the kind of feedback.

3463
04:30:12,500 --> 04:30:12,880
Thank you.

3464
04:30:15,220 --> 04:30:17,080
Again, I know it's been a long night.

3465
04:30:17,280 --> 04:30:19,060
I won't repeat some of the same questions.

3466
04:30:19,320 --> 04:30:22,740
My colleagues already asked, which were all very good questions.

3467
04:30:22,740 --> 04:30:30,220
I like, I appreciate Mayor Pritem bringing up regarding the land contribution and Mr.

3468
04:30:30,300 --> 04:30:30,740
Thrash.

3469
04:30:30,920 --> 04:30:33,920
You being willing to have a revertor clause in there.

3470
04:30:34,300 --> 04:30:42,920
I think that's something that, being that this is a unique ask and it is, it could

3471
04:30:42,920 --> 04:30:46,000
be daunting for some people here in this community.

3472
04:30:46,780 --> 04:30:52,000
It's not done many of these kind of incentive structures, but that helps.

3473
04:30:52,000 --> 04:30:58,280
And also the things that I know from early conversations year and now

3474
04:30:58,280 --> 04:31:07,260
willing to personally guarantee the loan, I think those are things that are very helpful for us as we make our decision permanently down the road.

3475
04:31:09,300 --> 04:31:20,860
I think some of the other questions that were asked since that interest rates not clearly defined, maybe in a go see a little higher rate for the city for that loan.

3476
04:31:21,440 --> 04:31:23,800
maybe that something that could be worked out.

3477
04:31:24,200 --> 04:31:27,300
Just to, again, ease our concerns a little bit

3478
04:31:27,300 --> 04:31:29,700
as far as what the city's exposure might be.

3479
04:31:30,180 --> 04:31:31,540
Just kind of throwing that out there.

3480
04:31:31,940 --> 04:31:35,860
But I think overall, I think what Mr. Rogers said,

3481
04:31:36,280 --> 04:31:39,220
he's just nailed it exactly kind of where I was going

3482
04:31:39,220 --> 04:31:40,300
with my thought process.

3483
04:31:41,120 --> 04:31:43,640
And Mr. Buckley, thank you for seeing it up like you did.

3484
04:31:44,040 --> 04:31:45,740
I think you brought up a perspective.

3485
04:31:46,360 --> 04:31:48,180
You and your partners have been with us

3486
04:31:48,180 --> 04:31:55,240
stay one when we began to dream and when that was just a concept everything the neon lights

3487
04:31:55,240 --> 04:32:01,040
UC outside was just a concept and we had countless meetings that involved a lot of our

3488
04:32:01,040 --> 04:32:09,040
stakeholders and partners and a lot of our residents and citizens that had we it was a dream

3489
04:32:09,040 --> 04:32:14,140
right and that's what our art piece says outside everything everything begins with the dream

3490
04:32:14,140 --> 04:32:14,860
I always get around.

3491
04:32:15,080 --> 04:32:17,960
Everything changes with the drink, but you get the gist.

3492
04:32:18,960 --> 04:32:22,900
But I think this type of concept, Mr. Thrasch,

3493
04:32:22,940 --> 04:32:25,780
thank you for coming in town to personally be here

3494
04:32:25,780 --> 04:32:28,400
to present and for us to get to know you.

3495
04:32:28,660 --> 04:32:30,540
I think you've been very genuine and a very transparent

3496
04:32:30,540 --> 04:32:31,900
and we appreciate that.

3497
04:32:31,980 --> 04:32:33,880
Thank you for being patient with us.

3498
04:32:33,900 --> 04:32:35,560
I know you've been wanting to come talk to us

3499
04:32:35,560 --> 04:32:36,960
for some time now.

3500
04:32:37,760 --> 04:32:42,940
But this fits well with the master plan that was envisioned

3501
04:32:42,940 --> 04:32:49,380
And I think this completely complements, I know there's the risk and that's always scary.

3502
04:32:50,380 --> 04:32:55,320
But when we had the dream and the vision of what we were going to do with that block across the street,

3503
04:32:56,280 --> 04:32:57,400
this was a key component.

3504
04:32:58,060 --> 04:33:02,900
And a boutique, the boutique, whatever that word means, the boutique thing was part of this whole process.

3505
04:33:04,060 --> 04:33:09,660
And I think your concept would completely complement and enhance what's happening in that building already.

3506
04:33:09,660 --> 04:33:13,660
And that's a good thing and creates more economic activity.

3507
04:33:14,540 --> 04:33:17,720
I didn't ask Mr. Perry to speak or explore L.S. to speak.

3508
04:33:18,540 --> 04:33:21,160
But I know what he's thinking. I know, I know,

3509
04:33:21,160 --> 04:33:27,700
explore L.S. I mean, we created all those kind of avenues for a reason.

3510
04:33:28,480 --> 04:33:31,940
And here we have new activity at our airport, for example.

3511
04:33:32,060 --> 04:33:34,820
I know that's not in this geographic area here,

3512
04:33:35,160 --> 04:33:36,680
but I'll talk in a Mr. Buckley recently.

3513
04:33:36,680 --> 04:33:43,040
And with our new marketing efforts and new branding, I think that's something we're getting so

3514
04:33:43,040 --> 04:33:48,560
much activity there at the airport with corporate, you know, business and visitors, that

3515
04:33:48,560 --> 04:33:52,960
all needs to be tied in together. And could just potentially be, could potentially be that

3516
04:33:52,960 --> 04:33:59,620
much more exponential for us. And so, for those reasons, I think we're heading down the

3517
04:33:59,620 --> 04:34:04,760
right path. I think perhaps, I think you've gotten some feedback from many of us up here. I think

3518
04:34:04,760 --> 04:34:09,180
you're getting for the most probably other concerns, but for the most part, you're getting

3519
04:34:09,180 --> 04:34:14,720
a consensus that we do want to continue to move forward while you and our team kind of

3520
04:34:14,720 --> 04:34:20,980
massage some of the data and the numbers a little bit, come back with the polished ask.

3521
04:34:22,420 --> 04:34:29,140
But I think, again, this is what was dreamt when we thought about what to do with that property

3522
04:34:29,140 --> 04:34:34,900
across the street, and this is the key piece for my perspective as well.

3523
04:34:36,520 --> 04:34:40,580
So I think you're getting a lot of really good vibes and good feedback from our group.

3524
04:34:40,620 --> 04:34:44,160
MSure Buckley, I hope that's enough for you to kind of continue to move forward with

3525
04:34:44,160 --> 04:34:49,860
our team and our staff and let's move forward, Mr. Mr. Bushick.

3526
04:34:50,840 --> 04:34:52,560
And Mr. Dunning in your team, Brian.

3527
04:34:53,700 --> 04:34:54,660
So that's it.

3528
04:34:54,700 --> 04:34:55,380
Thank you guys.

3529
04:34:55,600 --> 04:34:56,380
Appreciate it.

3530
04:34:56,780 --> 04:34:56,960
All right.

3531
04:34:59,740 --> 04:34:59,980
All right.

3532
04:35:00,000 --> 04:35:17,440
We have one more, yeah, I think so. We have one more presentation. This one is for midstates, personal property sales tax, exception for the non-manufacturing equipment request, Mr. Bush, I guess that you again.

3533
04:35:18,460 --> 04:35:26,940
I will provide the introduction, but I think Mr. Peterson, I saw him on the Zoom call as he still with us.

3534
04:35:26,940 --> 04:35:28,460
I'm here when you say to go, David.

3535
04:35:28,900 --> 04:35:31,620
OK, and I'll go ahead and live time just

3536
04:35:31,620 --> 04:35:32,220
ask this.

3537
04:35:33,180 --> 04:35:35,380
Am I clicking through your slides while you talk?

3538
04:35:35,900 --> 04:35:37,580
I was going to share them right now.

3539
04:35:37,600 --> 04:35:39,020
OK, just talk when you say to talk.

3540
04:35:39,540 --> 04:35:43,440
OK, so Mr. Peterson is going to present this item for you.

3541
04:35:45,340 --> 04:35:49,780
It's an unusual request connected to a project that you

3542
04:35:49,780 --> 04:35:50,880
previously approved.

3543
04:35:50,900 --> 04:35:52,340
You've approved incentives for.

3544
04:35:52,960 --> 04:35:56,740
And there is a very specific request that the company is making tonight.

3545
04:35:56,740 --> 04:35:59,600
let him explain then I'll provide a few comments when he's fast.

3546
04:36:02,590 --> 04:36:03,610
If we could pause one moment

3547
04:36:03,610 --> 04:36:07,550
I'm just waiting for a sharing rights to be turned on otherwise we'll switch over to a backup

3548
04:36:07,550 --> 04:36:12,670
plane David for you to flip through. Yeah, so I think somebody else. Yeah, it just did. It just turned

3549
04:36:12,670 --> 04:36:15,550
on, give me one second. Okay.

3550
04:36:32,440 --> 04:36:37,820
Okay, we can see the screen. Yep, we can see you. Good.

3551
04:36:41,520 --> 04:36:45,040
Thank you,

3552
04:36:45,040 --> 04:36:52,040
D also midstates has a one of their local executives in the audience I hope still you can

3553
04:36:52,040 --> 04:36:57,900
know it's a long meeting Rick mess midstates project is a capital investment job creation project

3554
04:36:57,900 --> 04:37:03,000
and softly summit earlier this year as David said the project received unanimously all

3555
04:37:03,000 --> 04:37:08,780
that's approvals from land use the public part of partnership and tonight I really just have one

3556
04:37:08,780 --> 04:37:14,200
discrete procedural item David said it right kind of unusual as you'll see related to the project

3557
04:37:14,200 --> 04:37:19,400
but before I explain it, I am going to do with your permission mayor a lightning round because

3558
04:37:19,400 --> 04:37:24,220
this was approved before the new council came on. So this will be a mini version, much

3559
04:37:24,220 --> 04:37:29,920
mini version, then what the rest of the council that was here heard several times. But I think

3560
04:37:29,920 --> 04:37:35,460
it's only fair if they can have the quick background. So unless you cut me off, I will do just that.

3561
04:37:35,580 --> 04:37:41,580
You're right ahead. Thank you. In 2019, a 64 year old company bought the former Toys

3562
04:37:41,580 --> 04:37:44,360
the rest distribution center on 291 South.

3563
04:37:44,480 --> 04:37:47,700
Mr. Clear seems just briefly. Are you still on the first slide?

3564
04:37:47,860 --> 04:37:51,300
Cause we only see the overall presentation with the first slider.

3565
04:37:51,480 --> 04:37:52,660
Are you trying to click through?

3566
04:37:52,940 --> 04:37:53,540
I don't know if we're seeing.

3567
04:37:53,700 --> 04:37:56,740
I was trying to click through, which means I think I have to do a different sharing.

3568
04:37:56,760 --> 04:37:58,660
I'm so sorry. Hold on. Let me try it again.

3569
04:37:59,080 --> 04:37:59,960
I'll do a screen share.

3570
04:37:59,980 --> 04:38:01,160
I think is what it wants me to do.

3571
04:38:01,400 --> 04:38:01,740
It's done.

3572
04:38:02,300 --> 04:38:05,640
We're going to do see what I'm in.

3573
04:38:06,280 --> 04:38:08,000
Chambers IT experts help me now.

3574
04:38:08,000 --> 04:38:08,660
I'm on my own.

3575
04:38:08,660 --> 04:38:14,760
So we want share, then we want entire screen.

3576
04:38:16,300 --> 04:38:17,520
We're not trying that again.

3577
04:38:18,320 --> 04:38:21,320
And when I forward this, can you see, let's see, almost.

3578
04:38:22,520 --> 04:38:23,980
I see the first slide now.

3579
04:38:24,440 --> 04:38:26,660
Then if you click, yep, now we're seeing this whole thing.

3580
04:38:27,600 --> 04:38:28,700
Thank you, Mayor for 10.

3581
04:38:30,080 --> 04:38:34,640
So back to this company, the rebirth, the old toys are us building in 2018.

3582
04:38:34,640 --> 04:38:40,420
I mean, that company, which is mid-states today, and is based in Fort Worth, Texas, they

3583
04:38:40,420 --> 04:38:45,600
distribute farm, ranch, and home products to more than 700 retail stores across 32 states.

3584
04:38:45,980 --> 04:38:49,960
This map gives you a sense of what they're distributing to from Lee Summit.

3585
04:38:50,960 --> 04:38:54,800
For the last year, the big question was whether mid-states should yield some pressures they

3586
04:38:54,800 --> 04:38:59,360
were getting to move their distribution facility, create a brand new when to move it

3587
04:38:59,360 --> 04:39:04,480
past where they're having tons of growth with stores or double down and make really what I call

3588
04:39:04,480 --> 04:39:10,240
a generational investment here in Lee Summit and thanks to Joe Perry and the EDC team and staff

3589
04:39:10,240 --> 04:39:15,120
and all the work that went into it we can now say mid states has chosen Lee Summit for this

3590
04:39:15,120 --> 04:39:19,780
huge investment and job creation and all that so we're thrilled about that. The current facility

3591
04:39:19,780 --> 04:39:25,120
you can see on the screen is like I said, east side of 291 South just south of sheer which turns

3592
04:39:25,120 --> 04:39:30,460
in Thompson Drive on the east side of the highway. It's approximately 650,000 square foot

3593
04:39:30,460 --> 04:39:39,660
of distribution, 104 dock doors, approximately 165 employees, a formidable facility. The expansion

3594
04:39:39,660 --> 04:39:43,980
you can see the building on the screen. That's the existing one today. The expansion is in the

3595
04:39:43,980 --> 04:39:55,100
yellow area. It will be almost a 500,000 square foot addition, approximately 90 new jobs that would

3596
04:39:55,100 --> 04:39:59,580
through a public private partnership that Council approved unanimously.

3597
04:40:00,000 --> 04:40:05,820
It was a chapter 100, it had a real property, and then a personal property tax component. The real property

3598
04:40:05,820 --> 04:40:11,020
site, as you can see on the screen, was a property tax advancement for 10 years, and a sales tax exemption

3599
04:40:11,020 --> 04:40:17,980
on construction materials. On the personal property side, we had just the black text there, number one,

3600
04:40:18,260 --> 04:40:23,720
which is a five-year partial property tax abatement on the significant amount of personal property

3601
04:40:23,720 --> 04:40:29,600
equipment that will be at the new facility. I added the red because this is the procedure

3602
04:40:29,600 --> 04:40:35,340
a little nuance that I wanted to share with you. As I just said, $25 million of new equipment

3603
04:40:35,340 --> 04:40:44,700
will be purchased over 2026-2728 to outfit this new facility and the request that we've been working

3604
04:40:44,700 --> 04:40:54,660
with DEED because it's a DEED approved item since last fall is a sales tax exemption

3605
04:40:54,660 --> 04:41:00,360
on that $25 million requirement and again it's different than the other incentives

3606
04:41:00,360 --> 04:41:04,820
that the city's already approved because it's DEED by statute that approves it.

3607
04:41:05,720 --> 04:41:09,500
This summer we accepted a formal offer from DEED for that incentive.

3608
04:41:09,500 --> 04:41:18,840
Joe Perry again, I need to call him out with his instrumental in assisting alongside me working with the E.D. and mid States appreciated mid States

3609
04:41:18,840 --> 04:41:29,420
accepted formally that proposal from D.E.D. and then the formal paperwork came and the formal paperwork takes a signature from the city saying they acknowledge

3610
04:41:29,420 --> 04:41:39,180
the application to the state for this, this incentive. And when we got to that point, Mr. Elam said that he'd be most comfortable

3611
04:41:39,180 --> 04:41:45,160
and Mr. Bouchek. If this would come back in front of Council to give staff authority to be able

3612
04:41:45,160 --> 04:41:51,440
to sign this application back to DED for this particular incentive, the overall incentive is

3613
04:41:51,440 --> 04:41:57,340
affordable. It's, again, since last fall has been part of the company's overall financial

3614
04:41:57,340 --> 04:42:03,240
package. It's been seeking. You can see it would provide an estimated $1.7 billion of Missouri

3615
04:42:03,240 --> 04:42:13,200
sales and use tax savings there at the top. And then the estimate amount that would come from city use tax is the 687,000 there in the middle part of the screen.

3616
04:42:14,040 --> 04:42:27,660
I will dispense with going into detail in the next few slides unless any of the new council members want me to, but these are the value proposition side with all of the benefits and jobs and substantial property tax sales tax.

3617
04:42:27,660 --> 04:42:33,260
exercise tax park impact fees that would come out of this project moving forward and I would conclude

3618
04:42:33,260 --> 04:42:38,740
with saying that this is an incredible success story of not only attracting mid states here

3619
04:42:39,880 --> 04:42:44,620
a number of years ago, but now retaining it, causing it to grow in terms of jobs and make this

3620
04:42:44,620 --> 04:42:55,800
generational investment in the city. The specific ask tonight of council is this. We'd ask that

3621
04:42:55,800 --> 04:43:02,160
states to implement the incentive of sales tax exemption on this equipment, $25 million

3622
04:43:02,160 --> 04:43:08,740
equipment so that we can move forward with that and then close on the land and start immediately

3623
04:43:08,740 --> 04:43:14,260
on this project. I know it's late. Thank you for listening to all that and I'd like to use it.

3624
04:43:14,260 --> 04:43:16,180
I'll be here for any questions anyone might have.

3625
04:43:24,770 --> 04:43:27,510
I will be brief with my comments. I do have a few

3626
04:43:27,510 --> 04:43:30,530
slides but they are just summary for you.

3627
04:43:32,930 --> 04:43:35,390
So basically what I will provide in addition to

3628
04:43:35,390 --> 04:43:37,970
Mr. Peterson just said, it's sort of bolstering what he said.

3629
04:43:38,190 --> 04:43:44,910
This is a component of their incentive request that was processed after you made your initial approval.

3630
04:43:45,530 --> 04:43:48,930
And so looking at this chart here, what we've done, there's two slides here.

3631
04:43:49,150 --> 04:43:54,450
These slides are identical to the slides that we previously used when the council approved the chapter 100 plan.

3632
04:43:55,070 --> 04:43:57,550
And the first line is the new item.

3633
04:43:58,010 --> 04:44:02,150
So I'll dispense with going through the summary of what you've already approved just to get to the point here,

3634
04:44:02,150 --> 04:44:04,990
unless you want me to go through the entire incentive package again.

3635
04:44:04,990 --> 04:44:33,810
But, to be clear, you've already acted on these three line items here that line at the top is the new line item, sales tax exemption on equipment, it's non-manufacturing equipment, this is provided by the Department of Economic Development, this is the quantification of the benefit to the developer, it's in addition to what you've already approved, that's 2.2% of the total project cost, so this is, so you understand how this incentive component which they're requesting you to act on is in addition to what you've already approved.

3636
04:44:33,810 --> 04:44:43,190
And then this is the more detailed summary slide that we previously provided to you and the boxes here and down here are quantification of this additional item.

3637
04:44:44,250 --> 04:44:46,810
So again, I will dispense with describing all of these.

3638
04:44:46,850 --> 04:44:49,630
You've already acted on all of these components that approve them.

3639
04:44:49,890 --> 04:44:56,730
And this would, in addition from the state, be sales and use tax exemption on the new equipment only, three installments of new equipment.

3640
04:44:56,730 --> 04:44:59,970
And the new equipment is 5 million.

3641
04:45:00,000 --> 04:45:11,260
A million dollars is for material sorting. Ten million dollars of equipment for a material handling system and ten million dollars a fulfillment processing system. That's technically what the equipment is that they're purchasing.

3642
04:45:13,380 --> 04:45:29,040
And then we quantify down here also the additional benefit to the developer. We're kind of a repeat of what I just said on the last slide. The additional benefit resulting in this total benefit to the developer as measured into the total project costs.

3643
04:45:29,040 --> 04:45:33,460
and then we've quantified the impact of the city down here, and this basically scales out the

3644
04:45:33,460 --> 04:45:33,860
same way.

3645
04:45:34,040 --> 04:45:38,620
The city's portion of this incentive request is about the same as the city's portion of the

3646
04:45:38,620 --> 04:45:40,680
sales tax exemption that you previously approved.

3647
04:45:41,280 --> 04:45:45,780
So it all kind of scales out equally, and this is a benefit that's being provided by Department

3648
04:45:45,780 --> 04:45:50,540
of Economic Development, and your specific action item, it's not an ordinance, there's just

3649
04:45:50,540 --> 04:45:51,800
a motion that's in your packet.

3650
04:45:52,140 --> 04:45:56,780
If you pass this motion, what you're technically doing is authorizing city staff to sign this

3651
04:45:56,780 --> 04:45:57,240
application.

3652
04:45:57,240 --> 04:46:04,200
That's the actual action that you're undertaking if you approve this is it's authorizing staff to sign this application

3653
04:46:04,200 --> 04:46:12,140
When it's submitted to DED to benefit the property and the project in the way that Mr. Peterson described that I described so that's my summary

3654
04:46:12,140 --> 04:46:16,520
I can go through anything else that you'd like but I thought I'd keep it short in the interest of time tonight

3655
04:46:16,520 --> 04:46:22,380
So to keep it short, so DED is pretty much ready to move forward

3656
04:46:22,380 --> 04:46:24,680
Correct. They just want our our authorization

3657
04:46:24,680 --> 04:46:30,660
That's correct. The application to the state has to be signed by the developer and the city so the city has to sort of fight to and we thought

3658
04:46:31,380 --> 04:46:33,720
simplest way to do it to be

3659
04:46:33,720 --> 04:46:39,300
To be as thorough as possible as bring that request back to you. Okay. I think we have one question, and then I'll make a comment

3660
04:46:40,260 --> 04:46:42,440
May I pretend to yield? Thank you, Mayor

3661
04:46:43,760 --> 04:46:54,060
So this is a Missouri Department of Economic Development incentive tool, but it requires the city's sign-off. Yeah, right? And so typically when we do an incentive package

3662
04:46:56,100 --> 04:47:00,160
Once we kind of approve it we don't we don't come back like we sort of say like

3663
04:47:01,380 --> 04:47:07,780
You have to give us your full-ask up front right so so this is this is different because it was a Missouri DD program

3664
04:47:07,780 --> 04:47:13,320
They didn't know what the ask would be until they went through that process or like why is this kind of something

3665
04:47:13,320 --> 04:47:17,980
We don't usually see in terms of going back and modifying the package

3666
04:47:17,980 --> 04:47:25,110
I'd like Mr. Peterson answer that in the, so he can explain the sequence of events that led to this to fully answer your question.

3667
04:47:28,080 --> 04:47:34,480
Yes, and I'll start Mayor Protem with the somewhat short, but you always know, ask me three more questions if you wish to get into the weeds.

3668
04:47:34,820 --> 04:47:43,700
But we, I personally reached out to DED back in the fall. This was before even formally pursuing the incentives of the city because that's what we do.

3669
04:47:43,700 --> 04:47:45,420
we try to put together the full package,

3670
04:47:45,920 --> 04:47:48,060
and one of those benefits was Missouri Works,

3671
04:47:48,580 --> 04:47:50,780
and which is the different type of DED benefit,

3672
04:47:51,240 --> 04:47:53,100
and the other was this sales tax exemption

3673
04:47:53,100 --> 04:47:54,840
and all this equipment purchasing.

3674
04:47:55,780 --> 04:47:59,380
And the part I'm dispensing with is why it took so long

3675
04:47:59,380 --> 04:48:01,300
between the fall and into the spring,

3676
04:48:01,760 --> 04:48:03,600
but it did, and I've talked to staff

3677
04:48:03,600 --> 04:48:05,560
about those reasons.

3678
04:48:06,000 --> 04:48:09,360
But by the time we actually got the offer from DED,

3679
04:48:09,420 --> 04:48:13,080
and we accepted it, that wasn't until plus or minus 30 days,

3680
04:48:13,080 --> 04:48:21,560
I want to say mayor June and says you can see we had already had the city side approved and then we ended up in this situation

3681
04:48:21,560 --> 04:48:28,240
If I can do a mayor colpah I frankly I had I would Joe again play the huge role in this and I appreciate it all his help

3682
04:48:28,240 --> 04:48:36,600
This quote in that sense the city was with me. I forgot that when it ultimately comes down to implementation even after you've accepted the DEES offer

3683
04:48:36,600 --> 04:48:41,420
You have to get a city signature on the application. I don't know if Mr. Boucher I can remember that

3684
04:48:41,420 --> 04:48:44,200
It's just, this is not something that's in that common.

3685
04:48:44,560 --> 04:48:46,340
It's to a Natsun, that part was my mistake,

3686
04:48:46,480 --> 04:48:49,620
but we did start this merit-protein back in the fall.

3687
04:48:49,780 --> 04:48:51,800
It just took a long time to get to this point.

3688
04:48:52,180 --> 04:48:53,640
OK, thank you.

3689
04:48:56,290 --> 04:48:58,990
I guess going forward if we know that

3690
04:48:58,990 --> 04:49:00,550
in application like this is in process,

3691
04:49:00,770 --> 04:49:02,190
I would like to know that.

3692
04:49:02,330 --> 04:49:04,870
At the beginning, I realized this is kind of unusual.

3693
04:49:05,270 --> 04:49:06,330
It's not something that we see a lot,

3694
04:49:06,530 --> 04:49:09,470
so I can understand why it kind of happened this way.

3695
04:49:09,470 --> 04:49:16,190
And I feel like the overall thought process behind the incentive package we approved before

3696
04:49:16,190 --> 04:49:22,670
which included the sales news tech exemption on construction materials kind of the same logic

3697
04:49:22,670 --> 04:49:23,530
would apply here.

3698
04:49:23,910 --> 04:49:28,290
Like if you'd asked me back when we looked at this is the equipment part of the construction

3699
04:49:28,290 --> 04:49:34,290
materials I would have had to go back and ask someone with better text knowledge than I have

3700
04:49:34,290 --> 04:49:35,790
to clarify that.

3701
04:49:36,050 --> 04:49:38,670
So it's the kind of thing I might have thought was already included although obviously it

3702
04:49:38,670 --> 04:49:41,650
larger line items. So

3703
04:49:44,430 --> 04:49:47,510
I want this project to go forward. I think it's a really good project

3704
04:49:47,510 --> 04:49:53,210
for all the reasons we've discussed before, but I do wish that I had known that this was a

3705
04:49:53,210 --> 04:49:56,450
possibility of coming forward. I'm glad that we're using the state of Missouri Tools. I think

3706
04:49:56,450 --> 04:49:59,970
that's great that they're being connected with Missouri Works and with these programs that we're making.

3707
04:50:01,240 --> 04:50:12,700
I think it's probably safe to say that if we ever have a project like this where the personal property tax exemption

3708
04:50:12,700 --> 04:50:19,760
might be pursued, we as the city team will say you need to include that in your initial presentation to the city council.

3709
04:50:20,200 --> 04:50:24,620
Even if it's not going to happen until much later for all the reasons you just said.

3710
04:50:24,620 --> 04:50:28,660
sales tax exemption, right? Yes. Because we already knew about the personal property tax.

3711
04:50:29,840 --> 04:50:34,540
All right. Um, and I agree just to chime in, I agree to start in or update that.

3712
04:50:34,540 --> 04:50:40,280
Sure. That's a learning lesson for me too, and on all this. Okay. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor.

3713
04:50:40,640 --> 04:50:51,420
Good question. Thank you. Um, okay. That being said, is there an ordinance here that you want us to

3714
04:50:52,100 --> 04:50:53,420
of the meeting packet.

3715
04:50:54,540 --> 04:50:56,260
Mayor, pretend you're here to

3716
04:50:59,430 --> 04:51:00,630
see it.

3717
04:51:11,810 --> 04:51:13,750
Are you having trouble finding the motion in the packet?

3718
04:51:13,790 --> 04:51:14,390
We are.

3719
04:51:15,730 --> 04:51:17,130
You could read it.

3720
04:51:20,760 --> 04:51:24,400
I moved to authorize staff to certify the application of chapter 100 sales tax exemption

3721
04:51:24,400 --> 04:51:28,180
for non-manufacturing equipment related to the mid-States Warehouse Expansion Project.

3722
04:51:32,190 --> 04:51:32,490
Thank you.

3723
04:51:32,550 --> 04:51:36,510
We have a motion by Mayor Patent Shields and a second by Council Member Funk.

3724
04:51:37,310 --> 04:51:38,270
Any further discussion?

3725
04:51:38,270 --> 04:51:42,170
or comments. If not, please cast your vote

3726
04:51:46,140 --> 04:51:49,840
of votes or in. Motion passes 7-0. Please

3727
04:51:49,840 --> 04:51:54,080
record the vote. Thank you. Thank you. I'll appreciate that.

3728
04:51:55,140 --> 04:52:02,040
All right. We will proceed on to item number 7. Proposed ordinances forwarded from committee.

3729
04:52:03,100 --> 04:52:06,920
We go to 7-A, Mayor Potentials.

3730
04:52:07,460 --> 04:52:09,780
Thank you. I'm a second reading of the number 26-1-2-8.

3731
04:52:09,780 --> 04:52:17,880
And it's meeting chapter 13 fire prevention and protection of the code of ordinances of the city of Lisa was right by repealing article three fire code and adopting a new article three became to the same center at matter

3732
04:52:18,520 --> 04:52:24,660
Great. Thank you. We have a motion to advance a second meeting if I may attempt to use in a second by council member cave Craven's any discussion

3733
04:52:25,680 --> 04:52:27,480
not please cast your vote

3734
04:52:35,440 --> 04:52:49,000
Melanie still on her her vote is on here. It was okay. So she's in there. We're right now. We're down to six. So motion passes six zero. Thank you

3735
04:52:49,840 --> 04:52:51,020
All right, Mayor Patent.

3736
04:52:51,280 --> 04:52:53,080
Move for adoption of bill number 26-128,

3737
04:52:53,180 --> 04:52:54,880
or in the spending chapter 13 fire prevention

3738
04:52:54,880 --> 04:52:56,100
and protection of the code of ordinances.

3739
04:52:56,420 --> 04:52:57,960
It's obviously some, it was very by repealing article

3740
04:52:57,960 --> 04:52:59,520
three fire code and adopting new article,

3741
04:52:59,640 --> 04:53:01,220
three pertains, same subject matter.

3742
04:53:01,880 --> 04:53:02,060
Thank you.

3743
04:53:02,120 --> 04:53:04,020
We have motion to adopt bill number 26-128,

3744
04:53:04,960 --> 04:53:07,100
by Mayor Patent Shield and a second by Council Member Funk.

3745
04:53:07,520 --> 04:53:08,080
Any discussion?

3746
04:53:09,180 --> 04:53:10,500
If not, please cast your vote.

3747
04:53:20,310 --> 04:53:20,930
There she is.

3748
04:53:24,100 --> 04:53:24,580
There we go.

3749
04:53:24,700 --> 04:53:26,260
Motion passes 60.

3750
04:53:27,100 --> 04:53:28,220
Please record the vote.

3751
04:53:28,600 --> 04:53:29,520
Thank you.

3752
04:53:29,520 --> 04:53:32,100
It takes us to item B, Labor time.

3753
04:53:32,360 --> 04:53:36,260
Move second reading of bill number 26-199, or an in-smenning chapter 7 of the Code Wardens

3754
04:53:36,260 --> 04:53:39,580
is at the city of Lee Summit Missouri relating to building regulations by adopting certain

3755
04:53:39,580 --> 04:53:44,060
20-24 international codes of the 20-23 national electrical code, and by revising certain

3756
04:53:44,060 --> 04:53:46,000
provisions of the city's building electrical codes.

3757
04:53:46,480 --> 04:53:46,640
Thank you.

3758
04:53:46,780 --> 04:53:50,780
We have a motion to adopt bill number 26-199, I'm AmeriPotentials in a second by Council

3759
04:53:50,780 --> 04:53:51,460
Member Funk.

3760
04:53:51,680 --> 04:53:52,200
Any discussion?

3761
04:53:53,240 --> 04:53:54,540
Not please cast your vote.

3762
04:54:00,520 --> 04:54:01,600
Move it on this one.

3763
04:54:03,970 --> 04:54:10,540
I'll vote through, I'll vote through, and motion passes 70, please record the vote, Mayor

3764
04:54:10,540 --> 04:54:10,920
Patent.

3765
04:54:12,060 --> 04:54:16,120
I'm for adoption of the number 26-1-29, ordinance spending chapter 7 of the Code Vornance

3766
04:54:16,120 --> 04:54:19,280
is a the city of Lisa and I'm just very relating to building regulations by adopting

3767
04:54:19,280 --> 04:54:23,800
certain 24 international codes of the 2023 National Electrical Code by and by revising certain

3768
04:54:23,800 --> 04:54:25,420
provisions of the Cs Building Electrical Code.

3769
04:54:25,840 --> 04:54:26,200
Thank you.

3770
04:54:26,200 --> 04:54:30,520
We have a motion to adopt the number 26-1-29 by Mayor Patent Seals and a second by Council

3771
04:54:30,520 --> 04:54:32,220
Number Funk any discussion?

3772
04:54:33,080 --> 04:54:34,360
If not, please cast your vote.

3773
04:54:39,500 --> 04:54:40,100
All votes are in.

3774
04:54:40,140 --> 04:54:41,160
Motion passes 70.

3775
04:54:41,320 --> 04:54:41,440
Your vote.

3776
04:54:41,440 --> 04:54:42,440
Please record the vote.

3777
04:54:42,960 --> 04:54:44,640
I move for.

3778
04:54:44,840 --> 04:54:45,220
Second reading.

3779
04:54:45,360 --> 04:54:45,840
Number 26.

3780
04:54:46,420 --> 04:54:47,080
1.30.

3781
04:54:47,360 --> 04:54:48,520
And ordinance repealing.

3782
04:54:48,660 --> 04:54:49,080
Chapter 16.

3783
04:54:49,240 --> 04:54:50,040
We submit property maintenance.

3784
04:54:50,200 --> 04:54:50,900
Code of the code of ordinance.

3785
04:54:51,200 --> 04:54:51,420
This is the city.

3786
04:54:51,500 --> 04:54:51,740
We submit.

3787
04:54:51,740 --> 04:54:51,960
We submit.

3788
04:54:51,960 --> 04:54:52,240
We submit.

3789
04:54:52,240 --> 04:54:52,500
We submit.

3790
04:54:56,300 --> 04:54:56,980
We submit.

3791
04:54:58,840 --> 04:54:59,080
We submit.

3792
04:54:59,080 --> 04:54:59,940
multiple times to use.

3793
04:55:00,000 --> 04:55:04,420
Second, my council member, Frazier, any discussion? Not please cast your vote.

3794
04:55:08,620 --> 04:55:09,820
Bill is adopted, 7-0.

3795
04:55:10,620 --> 04:55:11,800
I think that was second reading, wasn't it?

3796
04:55:13,220 --> 04:55:14,640
Oh, I think we got ahead.

3797
04:55:16,240 --> 04:55:19,140
That was for second reading, I'm sorry. Bill number 1, 26-130.

3798
04:55:20,940 --> 04:55:24,160
Move for adoption of Bill number 26-1-30, an ordinance repealing chapter 16,

3799
04:55:24,280 --> 04:55:26,540
some of the property maintenance code of the code of order and says for the city,

3800
04:55:26,680 --> 04:55:30,040
some of those are enacting a new chapter 16, pertain to the same subject matter for the city,

3801
04:55:30,240 --> 04:55:33,880
some of those are. Thank you, we have motion to adopt. Bill number 26-6,

3802
04:55:33,880 --> 04:55:35,920
1-3-0 by Mayor Patent Seals in a second.

3803
04:55:36,100 --> 04:55:38,400
By Councilmember Frazier, any discussion?

3804
04:55:39,180 --> 04:55:40,460
If not, please cast your vote.

3805
04:55:44,810 --> 04:55:45,310
Bill is adopted.

3806
04:55:45,550 --> 04:55:46,050
7-0.

3807
04:55:46,250 --> 04:55:46,930
Please record the vote.

3808
04:55:47,170 --> 04:55:47,970
Thank you.

3809
04:55:48,350 --> 04:55:48,690
Mayor Patent.

3810
04:55:49,310 --> 04:55:49,950
Move for second meeting.

3811
04:55:50,090 --> 04:55:51,410
Bill number 26-1-3-1.

3812
04:55:51,410 --> 04:55:53,790
An ordinance for being member number 8 to the budget for fiscal year and

3813
04:55:53,790 --> 04:55:59,670
June 30, 2026 is adopted by ordinances 1-1-1-3-2-1-1-1-1-1-3-3-1-1-1-1-3-1-3-1-3-7-1-1-1-1-3-8.

3814
04:55:59,730 --> 04:56:01,950
By remaining the authorized expenditures, this would be some misery.

3815
04:56:02,470 --> 04:56:02,710
Thank you.

3816
04:56:02,710 --> 04:56:04,590
We have the motion to advance the second meeting.

3817
04:56:04,590 --> 04:56:10,410
bill number 26-131 by Mayor Patent Shields in a second by Councilmember Carlisle. Any discussion?

3818
04:56:11,410 --> 04:56:12,730
Not please, Councillor vote.

3819
04:56:16,920 --> 04:56:19,880
Motion advances 70 please record the vote, Mayor Patent.

3820
04:56:20,360 --> 04:56:24,720
I move for the option of bill number 26-131 and ordinance for being amendment number 8 to the budget for fiscal year and

3821
04:56:24,720 --> 04:56:32,220
in June 30, 2020, 26 is adopted by ordinances 1-1-321-1-1-1-1-1-3-3-1-1-1-3-6-1-1-1-3-7-1-1-1-3-8-8-by-mending-0-3-6-finatures for the city,

3822
04:56:32,420 --> 04:56:32,720
at least some of them.

3823
04:56:33,300 --> 04:56:33,700
Thank you.

3824
04:56:33,880 --> 04:56:35,420
We have the motion to adopt November 26.

3825
04:56:35,780 --> 04:56:39,660
1-3-1 by Mayor Patemciles in a second by Councillor Carylyle any discussion?

3826
04:56:40,680 --> 04:56:42,000
Not please, Councillor Vot.

3827
04:56:47,000 --> 04:56:47,580
Bill is adopted.

3828
04:56:48,020 --> 04:56:48,520
7-0.

3829
04:56:48,780 --> 04:56:49,600
Please record the vote.

3830
04:56:49,860 --> 04:56:50,340
Thank you.

3831
04:56:50,500 --> 04:56:51,840
May we have a second.

3832
04:56:52,040 --> 04:56:54,300
We need to build number 261-3-2 in Orange, and it's a proving amendment.

3833
04:56:54,460 --> 04:56:58,000
Number 1 is a budget for fiscal year in June 30, 2020, 27 is adopted by ordinances

3834
04:56:58,000 --> 04:57:04,580
1-0401-10402, and amending the authorized expenditures for the city.

3835
04:57:05,100 --> 04:57:09,220
If most of them to advance the second meeting bill number 26-132 by Mayor Patentials

3836
04:57:09,220 --> 04:57:13,600
in a second by Councillor Carlyow and any discussion, not please cast your vote.

3837
04:57:18,870 --> 04:57:21,650
Motion passes 70, please record the vote, Mayor Patent.

3838
04:57:22,010 --> 04:57:25,630
Move for adoption bill number 26-132 in order to be moving amendment number 1 to the budget

3839
04:57:25,630 --> 04:57:32,890
for fiscal year in June 30, 27 is adopted by ordinances 1-0401-10402 by amending

3840
04:57:32,890 --> 04:57:34,670
authorized expenditures for the city.

3841
04:57:35,130 --> 04:57:35,270
Thank you.

3842
04:57:35,370 --> 04:57:40,250
We have a motion to adopt a bill number 26-132 by Mayor Pertem Shields in a second by Council Member

3843
04:57:40,250 --> 04:57:40,750
Carlyow.

3844
04:57:40,870 --> 04:57:41,770
Any further discussion?

3845
04:57:42,410 --> 04:57:43,850
If not, please cast your vote.

3846
04:57:46,410 --> 04:57:47,050
All votes are in.

3847
04:57:47,090 --> 04:57:48,670
Motion passes 7-0.

3848
04:57:49,430 --> 04:57:50,450
Please report the vote.

3849
04:57:50,710 --> 04:57:51,290
Mayor Pertem.

3850
04:57:52,070 --> 04:57:52,530
Move for second.

3851
04:57:52,630 --> 04:57:56,730
Reign of bill number 26-133 in Ordinance, authorizing the execution of a workday order agreement

3852
04:57:56,730 --> 04:58:01,350
to purchase workday success plan and flex credits for ERP support, not to exceed 115,000,

3853
04:58:01,350 --> 04:58:06,330
for $44. In accordance with contract number 2024-05-1 by

3854
04:58:06,330 --> 04:58:09,610
between the city and work date, and authorizing the city manager or information

3855
04:58:09,610 --> 04:58:11,190
technology director next to the same.

3856
04:58:11,870 --> 04:58:15,330
We have most of them to advance the second reading bill number 26-133 by Mayor

3857
04:58:15,330 --> 04:58:18,090
Patent Shields in a second by Councilmember Frazier. Any discussion?

3858
04:58:18,850 --> 04:58:20,290
If not, please cast your vote.

3859
04:58:24,220 --> 04:58:26,700
I'll vote through it in motion passes 70, Mayor Patent.

3860
04:58:27,040 --> 04:58:30,380
We have for adoption of bill number 26-133 in order to authorize the execution of a

3861
04:58:30,380 --> 04:58:33,660
workday order agreement to purchase workday success plan of flex credits for ERP support

3862
04:58:33,660 --> 04:58:39,060
to exceed $115,044 in accordance with contract number 2024-5-1 by between the City and Work

3863
04:58:39,060 --> 04:58:42,720
Daying, an authorized City Manager Information Technology Director at ex-heat the same.

3864
04:58:43,140 --> 04:58:44,000
It wasn't said that.

3865
04:58:44,060 --> 04:58:47,940
It's a adopt bill of number 26-133 of a mayor for 10 shields in a second by Council member

3866
04:58:47,940 --> 04:58:49,340
Carlow and any discussion.

3867
04:58:49,940 --> 04:58:50,960
If not, please cast your vote.

3868
04:58:56,320 --> 04:58:57,520
I'll vote through in.

3869
04:58:57,820 --> 04:58:59,720
Motion passes 7-0, bill is adopted.

3870
04:58:59,900 --> 04:59:00,700
Please record the vote.

3871
04:59:00,760 --> 04:59:01,460
Thank you.

3872
04:59:01,580 --> 04:59:02,240
Dean of Break.

3873
04:59:02,480 --> 04:59:03,000
You need to serve.

3874
04:59:03,280 --> 04:59:03,640
Let's finish.

3875
04:59:03,700 --> 04:59:04,000
Again.

3876
04:59:04,780 --> 04:59:05,620
All right.

3877
04:59:05,780 --> 04:59:06,680
Next item.

3878
04:59:06,680 --> 04:59:07,900
for $1.261.34.

3879
04:59:08,200 --> 04:59:10,140
Moving to the number of $1.261.34.

3880
04:59:10,300 --> 04:59:11,340
In order to prevent change, we're going to

3881
04:59:11,340 --> 04:59:13,680
go into the on-call agreement in 2024-572R

3882
04:59:14,220 --> 04:59:15,420
for the construction of southeast,

3883
04:59:15,740 --> 04:59:19,920
storm repair W-0-131527 with

3884
04:59:19,920 --> 04:59:22,680
wheat-emitting for an increase in the contract price of $128,677.

3885
04:59:23,360 --> 04:59:26,920
$977.99 for a rise of agreement amount of $416,929.

3886
04:59:27,560 --> 04:59:28,220
$199.99.

3887
04:59:28,280 --> 04:59:30,180
It's an authorized city manager for the same.

3888
04:59:30,560 --> 04:59:32,000
We have a motion to advance the second rating.

3889
04:59:32,200 --> 04:59:34,560
Build number of $261.34 by Mayor

3890
04:59:34,560 --> 04:59:37,180
time shields in a second by Councilmember Karla, any discussion?

3891
04:59:38,180 --> 04:59:39,440
Not please cast your vote.

3892
04:59:48,260 --> 04:59:48,620
I vote, sir.

3893
04:59:48,940 --> 04:59:50,060
Motion passes, 70.

3894
04:59:50,360 --> 04:59:50,920
Mayor for 10.

3895
04:59:51,500 --> 04:59:52,260
Move for the second meeting.

3896
04:59:52,380 --> 04:59:52,880
Bill number.

3897
04:59:53,440 --> 04:59:53,760
Or may not.

3898
04:59:54,080 --> 04:59:54,120
On the top.

3899
04:59:54,360 --> 04:59:55,740
The production of Bill number.

3900
04:59:56,100 --> 04:59:56,940
26-1-3-4.

3901
04:59:57,060 --> 04:59:57,340
Orndon's.

3902
04:59:57,420 --> 04:59:57,800
Proving change.

3903
04:59:57,920 --> 04:59:58,260
Orndon's.

3904
04:59:58,260 --> 04:59:58,320
Orndon's.

3905
05:00:00,000 --> 05:00:05,460
Five, seven, two, are for the construction of Southeast, this street, storm repair, W-0-1-3-1-5-2-7 with

3906
05:00:05,460 --> 05:00:10,000
we demanding for an increase in the contract price of $128,077.99, and a sense for a revised

3907
05:00:10,000 --> 05:00:14,700
agreement amount of $4,699,28.99, and a sense not to rise the city manager checks agreement

3908
05:00:14,700 --> 05:00:15,140
for the same.

3909
05:00:15,500 --> 05:00:19,620
Thank you. We have a motion to adopt on the number 26-1-3-4 by Mayor Patent Shields in a second

3910
05:00:19,620 --> 05:00:23,480
by Councilmember Carlisle. Any discussion? If not, please cast your vote.

3911
05:00:26,700 --> 05:00:28,040
All votes are in. Motion passes

3912
05:00:28,040 --> 05:00:30,700
7-0, please record the vote. Thank you.

3913
05:00:30,840 --> 05:00:31,240
Mayor Patent.

3914
05:00:31,980 --> 05:00:35,300
The move for second meeting of number 26-1-35 in order to order to order for project

3915
05:00:35,300 --> 05:00:39,180
number p-2-9-3 for the southeast taxi lane construction of pyramid contract.

3916
05:00:39,420 --> 05:00:42,720
Just think in the amount of $3,745,809.

3917
05:00:43,020 --> 05:00:45,000
Authorizing city manager, check seat room for the same.

3918
05:00:45,520 --> 05:00:47,000
We have a motion to advance the second meeting.

3919
05:00:47,200 --> 05:00:49,260
Bill number 26-1-35 by Mayor Patent.

3920
05:00:49,380 --> 05:00:51,420
Seals in a second by Councilmember Frazier.

3921
05:00:51,760 --> 05:00:52,220
Any discussion?

3922
05:00:52,820 --> 05:00:54,200
If not, please cast your vote.

3923
05:01:02,080 --> 05:01:04,360
I'll vote sir and motion passes 7-0, Mayor Patent.

3924
05:01:04,860 --> 05:01:08,620
move for adoption build number 26-1-35 and ordinance wording a bit of a project number

3925
05:01:08,620 --> 05:01:12,620
P-2-9-3 for this out these tax line construction impairment contractors ink in the

3926
05:01:12,620 --> 05:01:18,100
amount of $3,745,899 not thriving city managed exchange agreement for the same.

3927
05:01:18,360 --> 05:01:22,120
We have a motion to adopt build number 26-1-35 by Mayor Patem Shields in a second by

3928
05:01:22,120 --> 05:01:26,360
Councilmember Carlow and any further discussion if not please cast your vote.

3929
05:01:29,220 --> 05:01:31,020
Motion passes 7-0, Mayor Patem.

3930
05:01:33,600 --> 05:01:34,740
We have a motion to advance the second reading bill number 26-366, in order to prevent

3931
05:01:34,740 --> 05:01:39,580
a word of RFQ-2020-6-015 to HDR engineering for the tutor for Smean Condition Assessment

3932
05:01:39,580 --> 05:01:45,140
Project in the amount of $1,8,523, not to rise in city management for the same.

3933
05:01:45,700 --> 05:01:50,160
We have a motion to advance the second reading bill number 26-136 by Mayor Patent Seals

3934
05:01:50,160 --> 05:01:51,700
and a second by Councilmember Cravens.

3935
05:01:52,440 --> 05:01:52,960
Any discussion?

3936
05:01:53,780 --> 05:01:55,200
If not, please cast your vote.

3937
05:01:58,610 --> 05:01:59,750
All votes are in and motion passes.

3938
05:02:00,430 --> 05:02:01,450
Thank you, Mayor Patent.

3939
05:02:01,470 --> 05:02:06,490
Move for adoption bill number 26-136 in order to prevent the ward of RFQ-2026-155-HGR

3940
05:02:06,490 --> 05:02:07,090
Engineering Inc.

3941
05:02:07,170 --> 05:02:08,870
For the tutor for its main condition assessment project,

3942
05:02:09,070 --> 05:02:11,050
the amount of $1,280,523.

3943
05:02:11,430 --> 05:02:13,310
Authorizing the city manager for the same.

3944
05:02:13,690 --> 05:02:14,010
Thank you.

3945
05:02:14,090 --> 05:02:17,090
We have a motion to adopt bill number 26-136 by Mayor Patent.

3946
05:02:17,210 --> 05:02:19,030
She deals in a second by Councilmember Carlisle.

3947
05:02:19,190 --> 05:02:20,030
Any further discussion?

3948
05:02:20,490 --> 05:02:22,310
If not, please cast your vote.

3949
05:02:26,570 --> 05:02:27,850
All votes are in.

3950
05:02:27,930 --> 05:02:28,430
Bill is adopted.

3951
05:02:28,910 --> 05:02:30,290
70, please record the vote.

3952
05:02:30,430 --> 05:02:30,710
Thank you.

3953
05:02:30,830 --> 05:02:31,290
Mayor Patent.

3954
05:02:31,290 --> 05:02:34,890
We have a second read of the number 26-137 in order to bring the award of our

3955
05:02:34,890 --> 05:02:39,010
FQ number 2026-065 in agreement for professional engineering design services for the

3956
05:02:39,010 --> 05:02:42,290
big creek excess flow holding in pump station project to George Butler.

3957
05:02:42,450 --> 05:02:47,570
So it's in the amount of 294,393 dollars in authorized and city management and agreement

3958
05:02:47,570 --> 05:02:48,230
for the same.

3959
05:02:48,670 --> 05:02:52,370
We have a motion to advance the second reading bill number 26-137 by Mayor

3960
05:02:52,370 --> 05:02:53,430
for 10 years in a second.

3961
05:02:53,450 --> 05:02:55,130
Mike Heldsman for Carlisle.

3962
05:02:55,270 --> 05:02:56,110
Any further discussion?

3963
05:02:56,110 --> 05:02:57,890
And if not, please cast your vote.

3964
05:03:01,560 --> 05:03:03,420
All votes are in motion passes, 7-0.

3965
05:03:04,500 --> 05:03:05,040
Mayor Patent.

3966
05:03:05,740 --> 05:03:07,660
Move for adoption, bill number 26, session 137,

3967
05:03:07,780 --> 05:03:09,560
an ordinance of moving the award of RFQ number 26,

3968
05:03:09,980 --> 05:03:12,540
session 65, an agreement for professional engineering

3969
05:03:12,540 --> 05:03:14,320
design services for the big creek excess flow

3970
05:03:14,320 --> 05:03:16,020
holding and pump station project to George Butler.

3971
05:03:16,200 --> 05:03:19,200
So see, it's in the amount of 294,393 dollars

3972
05:03:19,200 --> 05:03:20,840
in authorized and city managed execute the same.

3973
05:03:21,060 --> 05:03:22,780
We have a motion to adopt bill number 26,

3974
05:03:22,980 --> 05:03:24,400
session 137 by Mayor Patent.

3975
05:03:24,400 --> 05:03:26,160
Sealed in a second by Council Member Funk.

3976
05:03:26,760 --> 05:03:29,240
Any discussion, if not, please cast your vote.

3977
05:03:32,530 --> 05:03:34,770
All votes are in.

3978
05:03:34,970 --> 05:03:35,470
Bill is adopted.

3979
05:03:35,730 --> 05:03:35,950
70.

3980
05:03:36,130 --> 05:03:36,970
Will please record the vote.

3981
05:03:37,210 --> 05:03:37,670
Thank you.

3982
05:03:37,770 --> 05:03:38,270
May I pretend?

3983
05:03:38,610 --> 05:03:38,990
We have for a second.

3984
05:03:39,150 --> 05:03:40,490
We have bill number 26-138.

3985
05:03:40,550 --> 05:03:41,870
Norton's moving modification number 1.

3986
05:03:41,990 --> 05:03:43,850
The agreement dated March 3, 2026 are a few.

3987
05:03:44,030 --> 05:03:45,090
Number 26-104.

3988
05:03:45,370 --> 05:03:47,550
Between the city of Missouri and Britain's McDonald's.

3989
05:03:47,550 --> 05:03:50,170
Engineering company for professional engineering services for the Cedar Creek

3990
05:03:50,170 --> 05:03:51,190
Interceptor Phase 4.

3991
05:03:51,250 --> 05:03:52,330
Improvement's project for an increase.

3992
05:03:52,750 --> 05:03:54,190
Of $446,115.

3993
05:03:54,450 --> 05:03:56,890
Total amended amount of $750,900.

3994
05:03:56,890 --> 05:03:57,570
$1,920.

3995
05:03:57,690 --> 05:03:59,230
Not the rise in the city managed to execute the same.

3996
05:03:59,590 --> 05:03:59,930
Thank you.

3997
05:03:59,930 --> 05:04:04,710
of motion to advance the second meeting bill number 26-138 by Mayor Patent Shields and a second by

3998
05:04:04,710 --> 05:04:08,590
Council Member Fong. Any discussion? If not, please cast your vote.

3999
05:04:12,270 --> 05:04:15,250
All votes are in motion passes 70. Thank you, Mayor Patent.

4000
05:04:15,790 --> 05:04:17,610
Move for adoption of the number 26-138.

4001
05:04:17,670 --> 05:04:20,870
Norton is proving modification number 1 to the agreement dated March 3, 2020, 26 RFQ

4002
05:04:20,870 --> 05:04:24,030
number 26-0 and 4 between the safely. Some of those are members with knowledge in

4003
05:04:24,030 --> 05:04:27,410
your company, Inc. for professional engineering services for the Cedar Creek Interceptor

4004
05:04:27,410 --> 05:04:31,870
Phase 4 improvements project for an increase of 446,159 dollars for a total of

4005
05:04:31,870 --> 05:04:35,690
of $751,912, not the rising city of managed rights heat.

4006
05:04:36,250 --> 05:04:36,770
Thank you.

4007
05:04:36,850 --> 05:04:40,770
We have motion to adopt the number 26-138 by Mayor Patem Shields.

4008
05:04:40,810 --> 05:04:42,990
In a second by Councilmember Funk, any discussion?

4009
05:04:43,690 --> 05:04:45,150
If not, please cast your vote.

4010
05:04:49,700 --> 05:04:50,940
All votes are in motion, passes.

4011
05:04:51,100 --> 05:04:52,140
7-0 bill as adopted.

4012
05:04:52,480 --> 05:04:53,160
Please record the vote.

4013
05:04:53,380 --> 05:04:54,080
Thank you.

4014
05:04:54,220 --> 05:04:54,740
Mayor Patem.

4015
05:04:55,080 --> 05:04:55,820
Please present a range of money.

4016
05:04:56,040 --> 05:04:57,080
We have a number 26-139.

4017
05:04:57,240 --> 05:04:59,980
In order to ensure that we have a budget number P-26 for the next.

4018
05:05:07,420 --> 05:05:17,600
We have a motion to adopt bill number 26-139 by Mayor Pertem Shields and a second by Council member Frazier. Any discussion? If not, please cast your vote.

4019
05:05:21,240 --> 05:05:23,380
All votes are in motion past 7-0.

4020
05:05:23,380 --> 05:05:24,360
Here puts in.

4021
05:05:24,480 --> 05:05:27,900
Move for adoption bill number 26-139, in order to morning the bid for project number

4022
05:05:27,900 --> 05:05:32,580
P-256 for the cathodic protection program FY-26CCP Systems International LLC in the amount

4023
05:05:32,580 --> 05:05:36,820
of 893,925 dollars in authorizing the city manager to execute agreement for the same.

4024
05:05:37,220 --> 05:05:37,420
Thank you.

4025
05:05:37,480 --> 05:05:41,800
We have most in to adopt bill number 26-139 by Mayor Patent Shields and a second by Council

4026
05:05:41,800 --> 05:05:42,460
Member Funk.

4027
05:05:42,640 --> 05:05:43,220
Any discussion?

4028
05:05:43,860 --> 05:05:45,220
If not, please cast your vote.

4029
05:05:49,120 --> 05:05:49,700
All votes are in.

4030
05:05:49,720 --> 05:05:50,240
Bill is adopted.

4031
05:05:50,500 --> 05:05:50,860
7-0.

4032
05:05:51,080 --> 05:05:51,780
Please record the vote.

4033
05:05:52,040 --> 05:05:52,780
Thank you.

4034
05:05:52,780 --> 05:05:57,200
It takes us to agenda item number eight for post ordinance the second reading mayor for

4035
05:05:57,200 --> 05:05:57,880
time.

4036
05:05:58,180 --> 05:06:02,400
Move for adoption of bill number 26-1 to one in ordinance proving petition for establishment

4037
05:06:02,400 --> 05:06:05,260
of the Arborside Community Improvement District and authorizing and directing for the

4038
05:06:05,260 --> 05:06:06,960
actions in connection therewith.

4039
05:06:07,340 --> 05:06:07,540
Thank you.

4040
05:06:07,560 --> 05:06:11,740
We have most into that bill number 26-1-21 by Mayor Patent Shields and a second by Councillor

4041
05:06:11,740 --> 05:06:12,320
Carlyow.

4042
05:06:12,480 --> 05:06:13,040
Any discussion?

4043
05:06:13,880 --> 05:06:15,240
If not, please cast your vote.

4044
05:06:20,840 --> 05:06:22,100
I'll vote through in motion passes.

4045
05:06:22,280 --> 05:06:22,740
7-0.

4046
05:06:22,980 --> 05:06:23,660
Please record the vote.

4047
05:06:23,940 --> 05:06:24,520
Thank you.

4048
05:06:28,220 --> 05:06:28,720
Mayor Patent?

4049
05:06:30,100 --> 05:06:35,060
move for adoption of amended bill number 26-122 in ordinance for moving rezoning from district

4050
05:06:35,060 --> 05:06:39,740
PI plan industrial RP for plant apartment residential and pale plant office to see P2 plan

4051
05:06:39,740 --> 05:06:43,260
community commercial and preliminary development plan for buildings on approximately 15.7

4052
05:06:43,260 --> 05:06:47,120
one acres of land located near the southwest corner of north east to the road north east

4053
05:06:47,120 --> 05:06:50,420
Douglas Street on according to the provisions chapter 3 3 unified development ordinance

4054
05:06:50,420 --> 05:06:52,800
of the code of ordinances for the city lease on this area.

4055
05:06:53,020 --> 05:06:53,120
Thank you.

4056
05:06:53,220 --> 05:06:56,100
We have a motion to adopt bill number 26-122 by Mayor Perthems.

4057
05:06:56,100 --> 05:07:01,060
in a sake of my Council Member Carlisle. Any discussion? If not, please cast your vote.

4058
05:07:09,090 --> 05:07:13,030
All votes are in. Motion passes 70 or bill is adopted. Please record the vote. Thank you.

4059
05:07:13,190 --> 05:07:16,110
Mayor for 10. Move for adoption of bill number 26, 1, 2, 4, and ordinance,

4060
05:07:16,230 --> 05:07:18,690
vacating. A portion of a certain easement. Located at 2, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1, 1,

4061
05:07:18,690 --> 05:07:20,690
Parkway in the city of Lee some of this area.

4062
05:07:20,830 --> 05:07:23,510
We have most of the adopt building in the 26S-124 by Mayor for

4063
05:07:23,510 --> 05:07:26,570
10 Shields and a second by Councilmember Frazier.

4064
05:07:26,770 --> 05:07:27,370
Any discussion?

4065
05:07:28,030 --> 05:07:29,490
If not, please cast your vote.

4066
05:07:36,500 --> 05:07:37,120
Uh, votes are in.

4067
05:07:37,180 --> 05:07:38,140
Motion passes 70.

4068
05:07:38,360 --> 05:07:38,920
Bill is adopted.

4069
05:07:39,520 --> 05:07:39,800
Thank you.

4070
05:07:39,880 --> 05:07:41,300
Appreciate that.

4071
05:07:41,660 --> 05:07:41,900
All right.

4072
05:07:42,020 --> 05:07:43,640
It takes us to committee reports.

4073
05:07:44,980 --> 05:07:45,160
Thank you.

4074
05:07:45,300 --> 05:07:45,740
Committee reports.

4075
05:07:46,400 --> 05:07:47,320
You guys have been busy.

4076
05:07:48,500 --> 05:07:49,040
Councilmember Fung.

4077
05:07:50,260 --> 05:07:51,040
Thank you, Mayor.

4078
05:07:52,040 --> 05:07:54,340
We have public works meeting yesterday.

4079
05:07:56,660 --> 05:08:01,240
We did a number of items tonight, tonight's agenda, that we just approved.

4080
05:08:01,780 --> 05:08:08,900
A couple of things came up in our roundtable, we talked about maybe get it to a committee.

4081
05:08:09,740 --> 05:08:16,200
Door hangers, we had an issue with some door hangers and residents getting notified of some work being done.

4082
05:08:16,200 --> 05:08:26,580
And this one to make sure we can put some sort of claws claw back and those contracts that if they don't do this, there's some sort of punishment of some sort.

4083
05:08:27,080 --> 05:08:42,600
For our residents and then also we talked about Michael Michael Park spoke a little bit on I470 and being able to move forward a study and I think at this body we have enough folks here tonight if we could just kind of.

4084
05:08:42,600 --> 05:08:48,860
Maybe I know it's been a long night, but get a quick blessing to Michael to move forward with that.

4085
05:08:51,130 --> 05:08:58,270
So this is related to the efforts that have been ongoing for a while regarding addressing the issue on 470.

4086
05:08:59,890 --> 05:09:06,390
Just doing this study on, you know, what the scope of this is going to be, what their ramifications are going to be.

4087
05:09:06,470 --> 05:09:11,250
Mr. Park has had some good conversation with MODOT, and they're supportive as well.

4088
05:09:11,250 --> 05:09:18,610
Yeah, and this is something we've been talking for talking about for a long time, time is of the essence.

4089
05:09:19,750 --> 05:09:23,630
So anyway, I'll take your comments. May I pretend?

4090
05:09:25,650 --> 05:09:31,290
I as I'm still on to speak for next minute report, but I would be supportive of moving forward with the study.

4091
05:09:31,630 --> 05:09:34,490
We had a good short discussion in public works about it.

4092
05:09:34,490 --> 05:09:42,950
I think to continue our advocacy efforts for 470 would be helpful to have kind of a more clearly defined scope of what we're asking for.

4093
05:09:43,190 --> 05:09:44,790
Thank you.

4094
05:09:44,970 --> 05:09:46,750
That's from Carla, do you want to speak to this?

4095
05:09:46,810 --> 05:09:48,190
Yes, please just real quick.

4096
05:09:48,350 --> 05:09:48,390
Sure.

4097
05:09:48,390 --> 05:09:53,170
For those of us who did not get to watch that yet, can I just have like a quick.

4098
05:09:54,150 --> 05:09:54,870
Who's doing the study?

4099
05:09:55,070 --> 05:09:56,750
Do we know how much is it going to cost?

4100
05:09:56,910 --> 05:09:57,530
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

4101
05:10:05,890 --> 05:10:21,690
So, the public courts committee last night, we had a discussion of really doing a little more detail than our current $300 million swag for widening 947 from 50 highway to 40 highway, as well as some interchange design to actually getting into an actual study.

4102
05:10:22,170 --> 05:10:32,490
The city would undertake that study, it would be coordinated with MODOT, but it would be at the city's expense that's why, before we would proceed, we kind of seek that direction from the full council.

4103
05:10:33,230 --> 05:10:39,350
Breakdown a little more conceptually what the interchange might look like at 291 and I-470

4104
05:10:39,350 --> 05:10:40,830
Colbert and Junction

4105
05:10:40,830 --> 05:10:46,570
Identify any significant environmental issues that would be associated with both widening

4106
05:10:46,570 --> 05:10:49,330
I-470 as well as the interchange

4107
05:10:49,330 --> 05:10:58,130
Come up with more refined estimates based on that little little board detail and those conceptual designs

4108
05:10:58,130 --> 05:11:01,710
Break it down into whether or not the project can be phased

4109
05:11:01,710 --> 05:11:07,230
what the sequencing of those phases might be, people often refer to this as like a purpose

4110
05:11:07,230 --> 05:11:13,130
and need study or general-scoping study, just to better inform you all as well as our lobbyist

4111
05:11:13,130 --> 05:11:18,930
and anybody else that's going to be caring for this project and request for our federal funds.

4112
05:11:21,080 --> 05:11:23,300
Thank you. Do we have any idea how much is in that cost?

4113
05:11:25,260 --> 05:11:30,480
We would estimate that it's probably less than a half million dollars. I can't give you an exact amount,

4114
05:11:30,480 --> 05:11:35,080
but in conversations with mode out, we've confident that it's less than a half million dollars

4115
05:11:35,080 --> 05:11:38,700
in about a year timeframe to work on this study.

4116
05:11:39,700 --> 05:11:44,740
We do believe it's within the scope of our capital improvement program already.

4117
05:11:44,980 --> 05:11:49,640
We have capital project planning in there as a program and then we do believe that there's

4118
05:11:49,640 --> 05:11:54,860
funds within the CIP sales tax, even some funds that have already been set aside for

4119
05:11:54,860 --> 05:12:01,300
study of like the little blue watershed area that project as we talked about before we were

4120
05:12:01,300 --> 05:12:07,440
well underway and had set up about a half million dollars and then for reasons beyond

4121
05:12:07,440 --> 05:12:12,260
the city's control some of the partners in that project had backed out and that project

4122
05:12:12,260 --> 05:12:16,520
died and we certainly didn't spend nearly the budget allocation that was the set aside

4123
05:12:16,520 --> 05:12:18,420
for that study out of the same funding source.

4124
05:12:19,060 --> 05:12:24,280
So I think in working with our city engineer we can identify the funds to make whole the study

4125
05:12:24,280 --> 05:12:25,520
if it were to proceed.

4126
05:12:26,960 --> 05:12:30,900
Thank you. So if I heard you correctly, it's going to cost us around 500,000.

4127
05:12:31,920 --> 05:12:36,200
We already have the money. We do not have to go back to the budget for an amendment.

4128
05:12:36,600 --> 05:12:40,540
I need to visit with Mr. Director whether or not it requires a budget amendment

4129
05:12:40,540 --> 05:12:45,600
or not being that there was a budget allocation out of that fund.

4130
05:12:45,700 --> 05:12:48,560
The CIP sales tax fund that would probably cover it,

4131
05:12:48,860 --> 05:12:52,820
but it was also under a line item. I just need to have conversations with her whether or not it requires

4132
05:12:52,820 --> 05:13:00,700
budget or not, it depends on the level of budget authorization, whether it was at a fund level

4133
05:13:00,700 --> 05:13:05,260
or on a project level, but it certainly, and our assessment doesn't require a comprehensive

4134
05:13:05,260 --> 05:13:09,680
plan on them at four revised CIP. We believe it's covered under the capital programming

4135
05:13:09,680 --> 05:13:16,980
for transportation planning. Okay, so we're not going to have to find money from the general fund.

4136
05:13:17,160 --> 05:13:20,360
Correct. Okay, nor are we going to have to take out reserves.

4137
05:13:20,360 --> 05:13:21,120
correct.

4138
05:13:23,280 --> 05:13:29,340
Correct. Under the 2017 CIP sales tax, it was very specific and our commitment to

4139
05:13:29,340 --> 05:13:34,560
voters that some of the money would go for coordination with mode-off facilities. That's how we

4140
05:13:34,560 --> 05:13:41,700
are paying for like $2.91 interchange, right? So it's in that body of money and it is an eligible

4141
05:13:41,700 --> 05:13:50,340
expenditure for studies, generally studies that lead to eventually you would expect some sort of

4142
05:13:50,340 --> 05:13:51,000
Thank you.

4143
05:13:51,180 --> 05:13:51,980
Council Member Frazier.

4144
05:13:52,080 --> 05:14:01,440
Just to clarify, so, how soon could you get started once, people to push forward?

4145
05:14:01,620 --> 05:14:03,560
I mean, you said about, it would take about a year, correct?

4146
05:14:03,940 --> 05:14:05,120
We're estimating about a year.

4147
05:14:05,200 --> 05:14:10,020
I mean, we'll know more when we get a consultant selected to proceed.

4148
05:14:11,280 --> 05:14:15,180
I would estimate, you know, if we get this direction, Council to move forward, we need to figure

4149
05:14:15,180 --> 05:14:19,660
out if there is any kind of budget amendment required or not, perhaps not.

4150
05:14:19,660 --> 05:14:24,100
But while we're working on that, we can also be working on the actual request for qualifications.

4151
05:14:25,120 --> 05:14:29,980
To define the scope of services for a professional firm to come in and do this study.

4152
05:14:30,900 --> 05:14:37,040
And so hopefully we can mash things up and we're only two, three months away from bringing forward a contract for your consideration.

4153
05:14:37,980 --> 05:14:38,160
Okay.

4154
05:14:38,380 --> 05:14:39,440
And did I understand you correctly?

4155
05:14:39,680 --> 05:14:43,260
You said 50 to 40, 50 high weight of 40 high weight?

4156
05:14:43,440 --> 05:14:43,920
That's right.

4157
05:14:43,920 --> 05:14:51,140
I'm talking to mode out there. I haven't done really any relevant study over the last 15 plus years of that section south of 40 highway

4158
05:14:51,140 --> 05:14:59,120
They have been doing more recent studies of that area of the I-70 for 70 junction 40 highway to 39. Okay. Thank you, Mayor

4159
05:15:00,000 --> 05:15:05,960
So just to clarify, in lieu of having to go to public works for a discussion there, you're asking

4160
05:15:05,960 --> 05:15:12,660
us as council, if we're okay with you just pursuing this and finding out the cost are and you'll

4161
05:15:12,660 --> 05:15:13,600
come back to us later.

4162
05:15:13,980 --> 05:15:17,960
Yeah, in the next step, we would come back to you with either be some sort of a budget amendment

4163
05:15:17,960 --> 05:15:23,860
or it may just be the contract of a RFQ with a design firm.

4164
05:15:23,860 --> 05:15:29,440
Okay. You just want like our thumbs up or just an idea. Is that good?

4165
05:15:29,640 --> 05:15:29,920
There you go.

4166
05:15:29,960 --> 05:15:31,620
Just always be able to clear. Here's a cave with it.

4167
05:15:31,960 --> 05:15:34,040
All right. We know this is a priority. So thank you.

4168
05:15:34,120 --> 05:15:35,500
All right. Thank you for bringing it up. Thank you.

4169
05:15:35,700 --> 05:15:36,980
Council Member Funk. Okay.

4170
05:15:37,540 --> 05:15:38,780
Any other committee reports?

4171
05:15:39,800 --> 05:15:41,600
Council Member Shield or Mayor Patent Shields.

4172
05:15:41,600 --> 05:15:46,740
Thank you. CDC met last week and we had a good discussion about our existing

4173
05:15:46,740 --> 05:15:54,800
accessory dwelling unit, ordinance, and some barriers to folks actually constructing

4174
05:15:54,800 --> 05:15:59,280
ADUs and I think we're the committee will be recommending some changes to minimum

4175
05:15:59,280 --> 05:16:03,960
lot size that seems to be holding up a lot of projects, so that'll likely be coming

4176
05:16:03,960 --> 05:16:07,860
through in the next couple of months. Thank you. Thank you.

4177
05:16:07,860 --> 05:16:08,460
Thank you. Councillor McLACHLAN.

4178
05:16:16,120 --> 05:16:16,720
Thank you, Mayor.

4179
05:16:16,720 --> 05:16:19,280
Thank you. Any council comments?

4180
05:16:21,740 --> 05:16:24,340
You guys all needed, oh, there you go.

4181
05:16:24,520 --> 05:16:26,520
Council member Edkins from afar.

4182
05:16:30,990 --> 05:16:31,330
You there?

4183
05:16:34,960 --> 05:16:39,380
OK, yeah, thanks, sorry, last thing for me,

4184
05:16:39,480 --> 05:16:44,900
but our five weeks of football Fridays ended last week.

4185
05:16:44,940 --> 05:16:48,400
And I just am totally in awe of how amazing

4186
05:16:48,400 --> 05:16:51,520
everyone did planning this for the last 18 months.

4187
05:16:51,520 --> 05:16:53,920
all the partners came together.

4188
05:16:56,300 --> 05:17:03,620
Main Street, downtown Main Street, Chamber, Rotary, and explore

4189
05:17:03,620 --> 05:17:09,220
our loss, but the police and fire have been working so hard. They've been working for so

4190
05:17:09,220 --> 05:17:14,120
long collaborating with the region and being tapped into Kansas City and no one knew what to

4191
05:17:14,120 --> 05:17:20,940
expect. No one knew how many what the crowds would look like or who would come or what what it

4192
05:17:20,940 --> 05:17:48,980
would be and I just, I just thought the handle it beautifully. I mean, they just worked so hard to prepare and never complain and stood by and gave so many extra hours and I'm just so grateful for everything that they did for our community and to keep us safe and to prepare for it and made it an amazing experience for the rest of us while they're at it. I'm just very, very grateful that the whole thing went well and I feel really proud of how our city represented.

4193
05:17:50,420 --> 05:18:03,080
Well said. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah, I don't think I can add a whole lot more other than those of us that were able to participate last Friday at the last football event.

4194
05:18:03,900 --> 05:18:16,180
We had the exchange of scarves with other peer mayors and council people from other cities around surrounding us and I think that's just kind of reaffirmed.

4195
05:18:16,180 --> 05:18:22,180
Councilmember Atkins has just said it's just validated and kind of proved the point that

4196
05:18:23,000 --> 05:18:29,680
this football, FIFA event was just a good camaraderie for all of us here locally within

4197
05:18:29,680 --> 05:18:35,480
our own city across the region and then all the foreign visitors that came from all over the

4198
05:18:35,480 --> 05:18:42,570
world in specifically our city here in Lee Summit. I think we showed up as well and was a very

4199
05:18:42,570 --> 05:18:46,470
welcoming and very just heartwarming kind of event.

4200
05:18:47,310 --> 05:18:49,210
So, proud of our all of our city officials,

4201
05:18:49,650 --> 05:18:51,150
everyone that participated in this.

4202
05:18:51,430 --> 05:18:52,410
So, Kudos to everyone.

4203
05:18:53,010 --> 05:18:53,950
Anyway, thank you.

4204
05:18:54,490 --> 05:18:55,430
I don't have anything else.

4205
05:18:55,590 --> 05:18:58,650
No other comments, staff around table, Mr. Dunning.

4206
05:18:59,370 --> 05:18:59,690
Thank you, Mayor.

4207
05:19:00,970 --> 05:19:02,930
One topic I wanted to bring up.

4208
05:19:03,010 --> 05:19:08,110
There were three ordinances that you all unanimously adopted.

4209
05:19:08,310 --> 05:19:10,890
Those being the building codes, the fire codes,

4210
05:19:10,890 --> 05:19:15,970
the electrical codes, the property maintenance codes, that's whole suite of codes.

4211
05:19:18,570 --> 05:19:24,050
I would venture to say it's been over a year's work of numerous staff within fire department,

4212
05:19:24,550 --> 05:19:29,110
development services, law department, and to do it in a fashion where the HBA is actually

4213
05:19:29,110 --> 05:19:33,970
supportive, saying we took a very thoughtful and inclusive and balanced approach, knowing

4214
05:19:33,970 --> 05:19:39,490
that housing attainability as a major concern, just speaks volumes about the approach that

4215
05:19:39,490 --> 05:19:45,830
staff took so kudos to all the staff that facilitated a ton of stakeholder input in thoughtful

4216
05:19:45,830 --> 05:19:48,370
approach to those coded options.

4217
05:19:48,630 --> 05:19:53,890
It does have an impact on this community from our ISO ratings and numerous other things

4218
05:19:53,890 --> 05:19:55,650
that we could dive deep into the weeds.

4219
05:19:55,750 --> 05:19:59,590
But I just wanted to mention that's a huge body of work that was brought forward in the

4220
05:19:59,590 --> 05:19:59,910
services.

4221
05:20:00,000 --> 05:20:04,340
Just read twice, just wanted to give Kudos to the effort that was going behind that.

4222
05:20:05,040 --> 05:20:07,860
Great. Thank you. Congrats, everyone. Good job.

4223
05:20:10,620 --> 05:20:16,260
Yeah, I mean, it's been a long night and appreciate everyone's input and patience.

4224
05:20:17,640 --> 05:20:22,320
We always have some tough discussions up here, and I know I skipped out for part of one.

4225
05:20:22,320 --> 05:20:25,200
But thank you all for hanging in there.

4226
05:20:25,740 --> 05:20:28,300
And all of you are administrative team members,

4227
05:20:28,940 --> 05:20:31,760
all of us elected, like that word.

4228
05:20:32,380 --> 05:20:32,940
That's from McCurler.

4229
05:20:34,540 --> 05:20:36,100
Thank you all for everything you've done.

4230
05:20:37,040 --> 05:20:40,020
And we are not going to have an executive session.

4231
05:20:40,140 --> 05:20:41,340
The closed session is at correct.

4232
05:20:42,920 --> 05:20:46,700
So Mayor, we can postpone just knowing that one of the topics

4233
05:20:46,700 --> 05:20:49,340
we would need to wait until August 18th

4234
05:20:49,340 --> 05:20:51,060
to make sure appropriate staff are available.

4235
05:20:51,060 --> 05:20:59,340
But yeah, the topics we had tonight were able to postpone just knowing that one of those would need to move to that last meeting in August.

4236
05:20:59,740 --> 05:21:01,060
And I'm sure you guys are okay with that.

4237
05:21:01,200 --> 05:21:01,540
Or tonight.

4238
05:21:02,700 --> 05:21:02,880
All right.

4239
05:21:03,180 --> 05:21:03,300
All right.

4240
05:21:03,300 --> 05:21:06,200
That being said, this meeting is adjourned at 10 after 11.

4241
05:21:06,340 --> 05:21:06,820
Thank you.