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okay it is 6:30 and we will begin this
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by our council meeting immediately
after as far as adopting the agenda we

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have a motion from councelor Maybe
seconded by councelor or Deputy Mayor

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fod that the agenda be adopted as
circulated any uh additions or deletions

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to that seeing none I'll call the
question all those in

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favor those post and it's carried

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next item is Declaration of Peary
interest in the general nature thereof

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is anybody uh declaring an interest go
ahead please um if if if we're and I'm

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sort of confused in the two meetings the
uh Road Grant

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um is on the docket is it not the road
Grant the Road

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Grants that's for counc is it Council
okay so I do it on the next round okay

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because I'm a our association is is wi
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so okay um so we'll get to that when we
get to that any other pecuniary interest

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for General nature thereof seeing none
we'll move on to number four which is an

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in camera session there is no in camera
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into delegations and this evening we
have Jennifer burill from the Gano way

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and Thousand Islands uh visitors center
and we're happy to have her here to give

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us the 2023
report

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good

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evening

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good evening your worship Council and
staff thank you for having me here and I

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am excited to present my
2023 uh Visitor Center end of season

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report it's going to go pretty quickly
I'm not going to read this to you I'm

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just going to highlight a few key uh
points on each page so

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yeah if you could go to the next page
or thank you so um we had a great team

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this summer uh collectively we had over
13 years of experience between the

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Summer Staff if you add me that's over
20 we were grateful to receive two

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Canada summer jobs grants uh from the
federal government next page

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please so I think everybody knows what
we do at the visitors center but I

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wanted to narrow it down to two key
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support and we did a lot of that that
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year over
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times thank you we saw our biggest
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2019 in the months of May and September
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growing super
exciting and then p and Canadians were

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our largest visitor market with the US
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the majority of our Canadian Travelers
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radius we still draw a large Market from
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during the Quebec construction holiday
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and we uh figure this is because uh the
government has allowed the businesses

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that normally shut down to operate um to
make up for lost revenues during the

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pandemic

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so each year The Visitors Center
conducts surveys to gather important

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statistics such
as 64% of our visitors stayed overnight

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for one night or

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more and the number one activity enjoyed
was the boat cruises followed by the

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scenic drive along the Thousand M
Parkway going to the theater hiking and

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shopping the average age of The Visitor
Center Guest was 60 and this is valuable

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knowledge for us because we know how to
communicate and connect with them in a

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way they are most comfortable with like
in person or through email or on the

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phone

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online all right so how did we do

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well in 2022 The Visitor Center saw a
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that jumped to
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one Revenue generators were our
commission sales we partnered with the

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Thousand helicopters and the city
cruises boat line to sell tickets for

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them this there um we also receive uh
commissions from Rockport boat line for

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every coupon they receive from the
visitor center in their office we also

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increased our inventory of merchandise
that we sell and we also sold more rack

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card display and uh add Partnerships in
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office so let's look at our social media
we saw increases as staff created uh

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lots of reals of authentic Thousand
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over 46,000 views and we gained more
followers organically by sharing and

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posting events on social media and on
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website
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page so speaking of our website we're
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quadrupling last year's
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next what's next we're working on the
2024 thousand all Visitor Guide in

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partnership with the Ganan nway Thousand
Island Chamber of Commerce and the uh

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Thousand Islands accommodations Partners
we want to continue to grow our

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Partnerships and we look for
opportunities to work with new partners

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and Regional businesses and
organizations of course we also want to

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increase our sales and revenue and we
also want to get more people coming to

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the Thousand Island and more people in
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so I've added a couple of testimonials
here for you I won't read them out but

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um these are just two I grabbed one off
of uh our Google review and one from our

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visitor guest book um I encourage you if
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visitor center and look at our guest
book it's absolutely incredible to see

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where all the people are coming
from and uh lastly thank you uh we want

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to thank uh the township of Le and
thousand ens for always partnering with

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us um we um value you so much and we
value the businesses in the Thousand

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Island and gon aqu we also thank the
government for the government grants uh

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for Canada summer jobs and
uh that's it do we does anybody have any

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questions any questions from Council in
regards to the information received here

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this evening from the delegation please
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ahead thank you we're shipping through
you uh just one question one comment I

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was looking at your web page um hits on
there and extremely well what um what do

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you think attributed to most of the
traffic on there do you think just being

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able to to travel again or is there
something specific that you're you're

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targeting or doing differently so we
didn't actually put any money be behind

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uh getting hits on the website this is
all organic so it's it's definitely like

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the phone calls that we're getting we're
directing people to the website we're

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posting a lot on social media directing
people to the website um we send out

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visitor packages all over the world um I
believe that's that's it yeah and my

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comment uh is you're obviously doing a a
great job I had had a long lost

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acquaintance for many many years who uh
resurfaced based on your website

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actually reached out to me from uh Texas
and uh said that they had wanted to get

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back in this area and they were doing
some searching and uh came across your

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uh your website and ended up um getting
a hold of me but yeah so obviously

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you're reaching out there great job
thank you councelor L please go ahead

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councelor maybe thank you Madame mayor
through you um Jen I'm in The Visitor

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Center quite often myself for different
events nice cooling spa station for me

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when I'm wearing my wool
jacket but I also am able to see all the

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staff
and how courteous and polite they are to

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all the guests that come through the
door and once in a while I'll even chime

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in just because you know there's a
question that I feel that I can help

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answer but they are doing a great job
and I know that whenever I talk to

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different people I ask them to look at
the website check at The Visitor Center

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because it not only has Ganon OPI but it
has lead and Thousand Islands there and

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with the um with the cardboard that you
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the display of all the information of
all the different businesses and stuff

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in the area that has grown I think in
the last couple years from what I had

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seen you know maybe four years ago or
certainly prepandemic I think so and I

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see a lot of people that are there when
they come in they're going to those

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boards and pulling the information so
that they know where to go and and who

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to see and how well it works but and uh
working with you on a few different

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projects also I thank you for all the
efforts that you put forward in the

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community not only for the town crier
but all the events that are happening

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there in the town and Township thank you
thank you go ahead Deputy Mayor fod

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thank you worship through you uh
Jennifer as counselor maybe alluded to

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uh one thing I noticed and that's hot
soft any organization company any place

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of employment when you get your youth as
these are coming back year after year it

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says a lot about your
workplace and uh your numbers are

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phenomenal as you already know um I just
thought to myself at home this past

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weekend going through this did you leave
any wiggle room to increase this year

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but um my personal thoughts I'd like to
hear your on this your interaction

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personally with people do you feel that
carries a big sway because you hear the

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negativity on businesses have gone to
automated checkouts so there's no

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personal contact what's your feeling on
your personal contact thank you

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counselor fod um so one of the things I
actually have argued for the last four

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years was to bring back The Visitor
Guide because people still come in my

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office people still want something
tangible they want something authentic

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so the the Chamber of Commerce used to
do The Visitor Guide they did a digital

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version it didn't work out so good so um
being the first person that people come

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in and talk to that's the first thing
they asked me for um so that they can

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leave and look at it at their own
Leisure but um I think the authentic

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personal recommendations is especially
for that 60 plus um Target group you

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can't beat it uh younger people yes I
think are on their social media on their

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their phones and looking up stuff and
maybe are a little bit more reluctant to

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talk to people they want to order
everything and have it delivered um but

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no um the people that are coming
especially to a small Community like

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ours they want that Hands-On that
personal recommendation the you know

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hidden gems the the what should I do
while I'm here kind of I have an hour I

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have three hours I have a day or
two and ironically I had two phone calls

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today looking for boat
cruises nice thank you any other

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questions for
Jennifer I just have uh a couple of

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comments to make um I believe that maybe
and correct me if I'm wrong part of the

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success of your website is also linked
to The Wanderer project because some of

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a lot of the tags that are there are
also going back to the website is that

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correct yes okay so so I wanted to
underscore that partnership because

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that's a partnership between the
township and the town and is quarterback

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through staff here and the town
um making sure that we're showcasing a

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number of the businesses which then
directly feeds into the tourism aspect

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obviously um which then lifts us all up
so I just wanted to um reiterate

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something that was said by the minister
of Agriculture uh food and Rural Affairs

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they showcased our project um and
highlighted it in a speech at Roma

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because the amount that I believe their
grant funding was4 $5,000 and the other

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$45,000 that was needed to complete that
project was split between Ganon aqu and

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us so really relatively a small
investment on behalf of either of our

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municipalities but a huge impact and
that's what the minister was very

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excited about so I know that you're help
you're helping in that directing to

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different businesses and making sure
that they showcase as well and the other

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thing that I always like to um underline
to the public is you make great efforts

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to not only promote the businesses
within the town of Ganon aqu but also

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the municipality equally um so I'm I'm
really great um I'm really happy to hear

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that um the Partnerships with both the
boat line and the helicopter tours is

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adding to your Revenue sources which
then you can fold back

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into further reach um and helping even
more of our businesses many of whom are

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reliant on that social that that so
short season um that we um rely on every

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year but it is nice to see the shoulder
Seasons growing um so thank you for all

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of that um and there was something else
which has escaped me but nonetheless the

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the presentation speaks for itself and
let's hope that we can bust those

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numbers again and uh have even more
people to come to our area any other

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last comments before please go ahead
Council girl excuse me just a quick

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question uh
the uh booklet that was produced

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formerly produced by Chamber of Commerce
was that put in every hotel room do you

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know thank you so I think the that if
you're looking to revive that project I

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think that will be a well um
welcome uh piece of information because

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regardless of people going on their
phones it is nice to have something to

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Leaf through and actually see but um I
know what the other point I was going to

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make so I had the opportunity to travel
to two separate countries in the late

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fall in 2023 and went into visitor
centers at both of those uh both of

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those countries and we took the
recommendations from the people working

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in the visitor center so what you do and
that personal piece and I can use a

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phone just as easily as any gen Z person
so there um but uh it is nice to have

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that you know no spend your time over
here because if you've got this window

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this is where you can get the most bang
for your buck and it's great to invest

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in this Hop On Hop Off tour or if you're
interested in going to this area this is

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what I would recommend it really does
mean a lot and it it's good for the

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businesses but it's also good for the
traveler who may not know how to best

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spend their
time any other comments or questions if

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not I thank you again uh Jennifer on
behalf of council and on behalf of the

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municipality for a great job and we look
forward to seeing uh progress in 2024

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thank you
good okay so the next item on our agenda

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is Staff report 6.1 Administration
report sr- 9-24 St Lawrence Cruise

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Alliance request for overnight stays at
IV Le Warf move by councelor Maybe

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seconded by Deputy Mayor fod that the
committee of the whole recommends that

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Council approve a limited number of
overnight stays at the ivy Warf by St

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Lawrence Cruise Lines Inc and that the
council approve approval is subject to

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the St Lawrence Cruise Lines Inc
entering into an agreement regarding the

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overnight stays in a form to be
negotiated with the township staff

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discussion on the
motion go ahead councelor maybe thank

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you Madame mayor uh I guess my only
question is uh they indicated that there

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won't be tours going out of there uh but
will there be supplies being brought in

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uh to resupply the boat I don't know
whether that's happened in the past or

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not the CIO will answer that question uh
thank you worshiping through you um they

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I I met with the president uh Mr Clark
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with him and uh and he was clear that um
there wasn't going to be a whole lot of

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activity there wasn't going to be a
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uh he didn't uh expressely say anything
about it but um John chamak who was the

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gentleman that came here for the
delegation uh director holiday and I did

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a site visit with him down on the warf
and he mentioned at most they might have

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a vehicle come in to do a little bit of
resupplying they wanted to um provide a

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little bit of a break or or a little
variance in their routine for docking at

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Ivy Lee so I guess on the way up they
they'll overnight again um and then they

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proceed on up or down the river to I
think as far as Montreal and when

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they're coming back rather than stop in
Gan again where everything has been done

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um they thought it it would be a nice
break to stop at IV Lee um Mr Clark was

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very uh clear if the weather conditions
were not favorable or if the river

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wasn't nice uh for them to dock they
would just continue on they wouldn't

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dock it at if they had any concerns
about moing at Ivy Le so they were very

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the they were very open um and uh made
it quite uh quite a point to me that

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they did not want this to be a
disruption in IV they didn't want it to

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be a problem for the residents they they
wanted to be good neighbors and uh they

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understand that it's a privilege to be
there so um we're going to see how this

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goes for the first year if Council
approves it and uh make sure that

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everybody's happy okay thank you any
further any further comments or

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questions please go ahead Council gr uh
thank you and through you your worship

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uh it's a wonderful idea that they would
want to stop an IV Lee but my comment

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really comes to um the third paragraph
in the analysis uh staff confirmed

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concerning
insurances and it brought to my mind

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that it says here um the our insurer U
would like a uh really indemnity clause

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and hold harmless and so on and so on so
as I'm thinking about that I realized

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last year a uh cabota or something went
off that dog from a

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contractor and I wonder suddenly if we
went to our insurer and said hey we're

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we have a public dot brand spank and
noon it's lovely and we intend it to be

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used both by the public and Commercial
purposes um what would our insurers say

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regarding commercial usage of our dog
and do we need Indemnity and do we need

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uh Clauses that hold
harmless so to your point um the motion

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that's on the floor is specific to St
lawence Cruise Line did you bring up a

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point that can probably easily be an
information report in regards to how um

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the the warf will be used at a later
date and you can talk about specifically

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uh the specifics of how contractors I
know that there was plans on how that

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was going to be used in the future I
don't want to derail the motion um but

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coun or director holiday is that
something that can be provided to

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council as far as um Assurance of how
this will roll out for the war fuse in

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other ways other than this yes
absolutely um we we are putting

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mechanisms in place to ensure that uh
you know the damage that was done in the

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past will won't repeat itself and that
agreements will be put in place to uh to

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ensure that you know it's it's being
used as as intended

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add through you your worship and could
we get a report so that we could have a

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discussion on that rather than me make a
motion yes absolutely

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thanks okay so any other comments or
questions about the motion that's at

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hand okay I'll call the question all
those in favor all those opposed and

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it's carried thank you very much we look
forward to welcoming St Lawrence Cruise

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Lions um and all of their passengers
into our beautiful community and

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hopefully they enjoy Ivy le as much as
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do so the next item on the agenda is
unfinished business is there any

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unfinished
business I see none uh other

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business go
ahead were there any uh reports coming

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from Roma that were of interest to us
here at Council um I will turn to our

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counselors uh if there's anything that
you feel that you would like to report

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back from Roma go ahead Deputy Mayor FY
thank you worship through you to

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councelor gr um as usual we split up to
take in as many sub meetings as were

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available to do so they had some good
meetings there I personally attended a

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meeting on drainage Municipal drainage
to be exact uh chadam Kent uh to the

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astonishment of about 80 people in the
room have 4,100 Municipal drains in

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their jurisdiction
that number was questioned by a member

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of the audience later whether that
number was accurate or not and it is

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they are putting a uh lawsuit out to the
railways in general not one specific CN

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or because the railways all pass through
their jurisdiction because the ports the

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border crossings excuse
me uh the lawyer was representing chadam

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Kent has uh put out an open door policy
to any uh body in Ontario wanting to

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piggy by on the lawsuit uh for whatever
reason against the the uh Railways it

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was made clear excuse me there's another
lawyer there taking care of the class

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action lawsuit portion and uh they
suggested that come through uh Amo uh

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who had originally hooked in with this
uh but not necessarily you could reach

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out directly to them and they're looking
for as many to piggyback on this lawsuit

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as possible and there's a lot of things
came to light in that meeting from

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various jurisdictions all around
Ontario uh things such as simple as as

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well north of Thunder Bay Ontario a
municipality that regularly went in and

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moved beaver dams out of covers that
went under Railways that nearly flooded

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uh area roads all they had to do was
provide jurisdiction now they've been

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told they can't touch it and of course
that brought out the question well you

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do it for us then no we're not doing
it's not our problem so there's a

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multitude of issues creating themselves
by uh large organizations we'll call it

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and it isn't just the railways
apparently uh telephone companies are in

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on this utility companies pipelines so
they're hoping this lawsuit will set a

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precedence uh and they're really sure
they're going to win it and they were

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adamant about mentioning that a handful
of times and then late in the meeting it

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was made clear that the gentleman the
lawyer uh putting forward the class

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action lawsuit was a lifetime or a long
time I should say lawyer for

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CN so that was kind of a good punchline
to hand everybody there was a number of

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municipalities I asked part of that in a
question I asked uh I said I'm curious

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with the number of turnout in this room
how many people have issues with just

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the railways in particular and there was
likely 40 hands went

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up and they're encouraging anybody jump
on board no matter how small or large

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your issue may be to show the government
government that uh there are issues here

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that have been longstanding understood
on a handshake or just a verbal conf

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consultation over a phone which is now
all going by the wayside and creating

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some sometimes serious
issues uh we attended Brian G maybe did

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you want to throw in a meeting you
attended go ahead I'll let you take it

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there uh thank you and through you
Madame mayor one of the ones I went to

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was you know ret retention of staff and
it was very interesting how they swung

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that around to inclusion of all types of
people and how that has played out over

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the years so it was a a very um intense
because there was about four or five

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different people panelists that brought
different aspects of it uh to light so

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it was very enlightening and um very
well done and then uh I'm trying to

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think of the the comp's name that was
there but it's escaped me right at the

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moment then something else that um
Deputy Mayor fod and I attended on the

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last um day was a panelist on
homelessness and how that interacted and

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what different communities are doing
around uh the province of Ontario and in

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doing that at least two of them are
doing something similar to the homeless

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veterans Village in Kingston that which
now is open uh accepting their first

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residents there will be an official
opening in the summer for that I've

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already seen the premises they're very
nice and it's a similar program where

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there's a social aspect where the people
can get help and with the panelists they

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talked about a certain demographic um
coming into a certain Village and

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getting the help which I believe is the
better way of going because there's a

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Target in how to handle and help that
person become um less or not homeless so

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it was a very good response uh we also
met many many people uh with the help of

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the mayor we've seen a lot of people
around County and uh seen a lot of the

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Mayors and counselors who are around and
as they even said they had a bumper

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registration of around 181 1900 where
opposed it was 800 to 900 previous year

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um we got to see all the delegations
kind of moving in around and to that

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point uh our mayor was part of the
delegation for the county and uh as I

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said that day I thank her very much for
the diligent work that she's doing with

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County on behalf of not only the county
but our Township so thank you again for

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all your diligent work thank
you so if I'll add to that um they had a

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a number of great General speakers but
the breakouts are really where you learn

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the most and you connect with other
Municipal counselors I might also

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underscore that many municipalities even
in the united counties of leing rville

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send their entire Council um North
Grenville Sor entire Council Augusta was

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uh the entire Council sou D us it's it's
quite interesting but they they use it

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as much as a learning opportunity but
also so a team building opportunity

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which poses some challenges I'm sure for
the clerk although the most of the time

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the clerks are a CAO is with them as
well um so a lot of the times um I'm

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pulled away to delegations we had six
delegations with the county um which I

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could name most of them but probably not
all of them right now uh the two that I

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led were um with MTO uh speaking about
the St Lawrence Parkway um or the

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thousand Parkway St Lawrence Parks
Commission and the challenges

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surrounding the ongoing maintenance and
upkeep of the Thousand Parkway um

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because it has seemingly been indicated
that maybe the county should take that

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over or they were trying to download it
potentially even on us I know that we've

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been asked um but there's there's a lot
more to that um also using it as an

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emergency detour route rather than not
um so we had some good conversation

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uh with MTO who are the people that are
maintaining that roadway um but you know

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there needs to be some collaboration
with MTO um because of the signage

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sometimes the lack thereof and we have
transports going through there um and

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also talking about um funding for the
county uh for the Emergency detour route

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because Highway 2 is being pummeled and
um because of how many times we're

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seeing detours off so that was the one
delegation that I led as well as

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um well what's skying me right now um oh
long vac so one of the uh things that

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has worked very well in the county of
renre is vac and I'm not sure exactly

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what it stands for virtual
triage anyways um it basically is a is a

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healthcare um offshoot so instead of
having Community paramedicine maintain

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uh some of our older population or any
age of the population um people who have

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don't have primary care doctors can use
this vac system and it came online

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during covid out of necessity uh the
paramedics were running the uh

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vaccination clinics um and we asked the
long-term care uh associate Minister for

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long-term care to consider it at U Maple
View Lodge because we're going to have

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that extra space um and if we can manage
to keep even our long-term care

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residents out of the hospitals if
there's ways that because they can

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prescribe drugs it's much like the
virtual clinics and the nurse

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practitioners increasing and pharmacists
being able to um to give prescriptions

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for certain things um it really does cut
down on the number of visits required uh

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at Primary Care um providers and if it
worked so well in renr um the paramedic

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Chief up there he's The Mastermind got a
chance to meet him and he's fantastic he

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was also on a panel talking about
Community paramedicine both in Rural

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onario and uh the north
um rural Ontario is really getting the

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short end of the stick we know this when
it comes to healthcare um we're being

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expected to fund it um whether it be the
the hospital pushes that we are required

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the 10% that they're required to fund
raise in the communities were being

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asked there we're also being asked to
help recruit Physicians um we're also

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like it's falling on municipalities and
and the president of roma roma who is

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the illustrious mayor from Westport uh
currently Robin Jones um her main uh

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Speech to the delegation uh all the
delegates was basically that the

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province needs to do better and not
expect small rural municipalities to

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prop up Healthcare um and have to try to
come up with these Solutions that it

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we're happy to give suggestions but
they're going to have to step up so um

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lots of talk about lots to talk about in
healthcare um the other thing uh during

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The Bear Pit I was able to ask a
question uh so those of you listening

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who don't know what the be pit is is all
the ministers who were attending the

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conference line up at the front of the
room in front of 1900 people and are

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asked put on the spot and there's lots
of great questions that come forward my

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question was in regards to OSF funding
so uh Ontario community infrastructure

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program our municipality as well as a
number of other local municipalities

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that's locally and throughout the
province saw about a 15% decrease in

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funding this year and oif was always
given to us as municipalities as safe

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and stable funding to help with offset
our infrastructure projects so we use

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our oif funding for things like roads
and bridges and projects and we count on

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that funding if you will so to see a 15%
reduction in it with no real advanced

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notice um I said to I asked the minister
of infastructure

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why did the formula change we continue
to have infrastructure deficits at local

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levels um and some municipalities
actually saw a slight increase city of

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brockfield did um and there was really
no straight answer about that um but my

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concern and my question to the minister
was will this come back this funding

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come back to the Baseline of funding or
will we see further or will it cease to

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be the stable funding that we count on
the answer that we got was no it'll

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always be safe stable funding but they
didn't talk about the 15% haircut that

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we got this year so um not entirely a
straight answer but o will continue to

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be there for municipalities but um I
will be asking our local member in

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regards to what we need to do to be like
Brockville and get a little extra

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instead of a little less so uh Deputy
Mayor fod and then councilor maybe thank

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you worship um just a few back thoughts
as I revert back to that weekend um as

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counselor maybe had indicated there was
well over 1800 people registered there

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it looked like it when you're in the
main presentation room every seat was

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virtually full um and as the mayor had
indicated the be pit sessions every uh

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all five uh heads of uh every tie stripe
in Ontario uh came in person and spoke

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to the delegations there and made their
points but I think the point that was

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made back as our mayor made mention to
there's rarely a municipality in the

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province that's happy with the current
funding uh everybody's being strained

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and then of course that Financial strain
has to show up somewhere you're cutting

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back here or there to compensate whether
it's doctor recruitment or or ambulance

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time to Ottawa whatever ever the case
may be but the interaction as councelor

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00:36:30,599 --> 00:36:37,440
maybe had said brought both councelor
maybe an eye over a coffee we had about

417
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:41,599
40 minutes between sessions and this
gentleman come along fast forward he

418
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:47,119
represents a municipality near Pon
Ontario of 610 houses and they run a

419
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:50,839
separated municipality on their budget
um pretty steep taxes but he said the

420
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:55,520
Min the residents don't want to any
different they want it that way and uh

421
00:36:53,319 --> 00:37:00,920
he told some pretty eye-opening stories
as to how you pay for a fire truck with

422
00:36:57,200 --> 00:37:06,520
610 houses so there's a lot to be
learned up there and uh yet the contacts

423
00:37:04,160 --> 00:37:11,240
I took an email today because of that
conference so uh it doesn't end we

424
00:37:09,359 --> 00:37:16,480
attended and we're back but the
connection stay and maintain themselves

425
00:37:13,680 --> 00:37:20,400
thanks councelor maybe H thank you
Madame mayor and my point was with that

426
00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:25,680
gentleman that we talked to they
actually had a forest fire up there the

427
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:30,200
last year I believe it was and it was
very close to his property so they

428
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:36,599
called in a couple water bombers four
hours two water bombers

429
00:37:33,240 --> 00:37:41,240
$150,000 very expensive and so the fire
Services there is very important and to

430
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:46,280
that point talking about the Fire
Equipment trucks and stuff they are

431
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:52,839
running an older Fleet because of uh the
municipality being small and uh less

432
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:58,599
funded so uh again we're very thankful
for what we have and thank you chief for

433
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:58,599
keeping a good Fleet

434
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,280
any other

435
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:11,920
questions Council
gr you we could go on all night but I'm

436
00:38:09,240 --> 00:38:17,960
happy to answer any questions after uh
our when we have a break um about that

437
00:38:15,119 --> 00:38:24,160
uh conference um and the upcoming
conference is uh good roads and it's

438
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:30,200
good for other reasons um and another
opportunity to network with new

439
00:38:26,599 --> 00:38:35,520
Technologies and new ideas on how to
better support our infrastructure

440
00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:40,240
needs okay any other other
business seeing none I'll go forward

441
00:38:37,839 --> 00:38:45,680
with notice of motion sir Jameson you
want to bring forward a notice of

442
00:38:42,720 --> 00:38:49,520
motion yes your worship I do do I read
in into the record now or do you don't

443
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:53,040
need to bring forward you just need to
let us know that there is a notice

444
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:59,880
motion and what the item is about it's
coming it's imminent it's in regards to

445
00:38:56,359 --> 00:39:03,880
uh it's in regards to the garbage tag
situation okay thank you so there'll be

446
00:39:02,119 --> 00:39:08,800
a notice of motion in regards to garbage
tags coming forward at the next meeting

447
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:12,760
yes thank you sir any other notices of
motion oh I've got two more so go ahead

448
00:39:10,839 --> 00:39:17,920
please and thank
you thank you your worship and through

449
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:23,040
you um this is a notice of a motion
about a piece of property in L turist uh

450
00:39:20,520 --> 00:39:27,079
adjacent to the bridge on the southwest
side that is owned by the township and

451
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:32,240
there's been some interest in the
community expressed about possibly doing

452
00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:37,839
something with this piece of property
but we need to have more information

453
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:41,760
gathered about it so um do you want me
to read you don't have to read it but

454
00:39:39,839 --> 00:39:48,079
you're going to be asking the the staff
to come forward to bring a report to the

455
00:39:44,319 --> 00:39:52,760
march to a March meeting so that we can
um let the community know where the what

456
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:56,520
the St status of this property is
they're both going to be read out in the

457
00:39:54,240 --> 00:40:01,000
next meeting so that's why not going to
believe you're Point that's what I okay

458
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:07,079
councelor lacky go ahead thank you
worship through you um I will uh be

459
00:40:04,599 --> 00:40:12,480
asking staff to provide council with
information on uh the regulations and

460
00:40:09,599 --> 00:40:18,000
liabilities of site alterations which
will uh be happening or maybe already

461
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:24,079
are um to a lagoon located in the
township which does not belong to the

462
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:32,800
township so we could get some uh some
feedback on where we sit with regards to

463
00:40:27,240 --> 00:40:37,560
uh to that so is that also sorry I
just that'll be at the March meeting

464
00:40:35,560 --> 00:40:40,560
yeah okay I just wanted to double check
I'm like I don't recall that one being

465
00:40:39,200 --> 00:40:45,319
on the
agenda um okay so we have two notice of

466
00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:52,200
motion coming forward at the next
meeting and we have one coming in

467
00:40:47,319 --> 00:40:57,119
March and okay so with that any other
notices of

468
00:40:53,400 --> 00:41:00,040
motion seeing none uh motion to adjourn
the committee of the whole comes from

469
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:04,480
councelor Jameson second by councelor
maybe that the committee of the whole

470
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:12,680
adjourn all those in favor all those
oppos and it is carried and we are

471
00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:20,000
adjourned okay so we with the
same um we will use the same link so

472
00:41:17,200 --> 00:41:25,560
we're 10 after 7 can we go for another
half an hour and see unless anybody

473
00:41:22,760 --> 00:41:28,240
needs a bio break nope we're going to
keep rolling

474
00:41:32,240 --> 00:41:37,680
okay Quick
Change costume

475
00:41:38,720 --> 00:41:43,960
change so um

476
00:41:45,119 --> 00:41:56,319
Sor okay so we will call the council
meeting for February to order at

477
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:58,560
711 and we will play the national anthem
please

478
00:42:09,510 --> 00:42:12,719
[Music]

479
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:31,150
rise
[Applause]

480
00:42:39,260 --> 00:43:40,539
[Music]
[Applause]

481
00:43:23,220 --> 00:43:40,539
[Music]

482
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:53,720
first item on the agenda for our council
meeting is adoption of the agenda and

483
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:57,480
the motion comes from Deputy Mayor fod
and seconded by counselor maybe that the

484
00:43:55,359 --> 00:44:02,160
agenda be adopted has circulated
anything to add or omit seeing none I

485
00:44:00,839 --> 00:44:07,720
will call the question all those in
favor all those opposed and it's carried

486
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:12,280
next item is Declaration of pecuniary
interest in the G General nature thereof

487
00:44:10,079 --> 00:44:18,280
does anybody have an interest to declare
F sir yes I do with respect to the Grant

488
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:24,559
Road grant program uh my Association is
on that so I won't participate thank you

489
00:44:22,079 --> 00:44:30,200
okay any other
declarations seeing we'll move forward

490
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:34,800
uh there is no in camera session and
we'll move forward to the consent agenda

491
00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:38,839
which is moved by Council Maybe seconded
by Deputy Mayor fod that the January

492
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:42,599
16th 2024 council meeting minutes be
adopted as circulated and that the

493
00:44:40,640 --> 00:44:46,920
December 12th 2023 Committee of
adjustment meeting minutes be received

494
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:51,000
and filed any errors or omissions in any
of those

495
00:44:48,920 --> 00:44:54,760
minutes additions
deletions seeing none I'll call the

496
00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:57,960
question all those in favor all those
oppos and it's

497
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:10,680
carried next item is Staff reports
um there's two under staff reports

498
00:45:07,720 --> 00:45:14,480
Administration report sr- 9-24 St
Lawrence Cruise Lines request for

499
00:45:12,400 --> 00:45:18,160
overnight stays or sorry just one I
should say and the motion comes forward

500
00:45:16,599 --> 00:45:21,640
from Deputy Mayor fod seconded by
councelor Jameson that the council

501
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:26,440
approve the staff report as REM
recommended at the February 12th 2024

502
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:31,839
Committee of the whole meeting
any discussion on this sole item on the

503
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:36,119
staff
reports seeing none I'll call the

504
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:39,559
question all those in favor all those
opposed and it's

505
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:49,200
carried next item is information items
um and the motion is coming forward from

506
00:45:46,920 --> 00:45:56,119
councelor maybe and second by councelor
Jameson and we have a total of one two

507
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:59,680
three four four items and the motion is
that the information items be received

508
00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:04,400
and filed so the motion is on the floor
are there any specific items that

509
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:08,160
anybody would like to speak to go ahead
councelor

510
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:12,880
gr thank you and through uh you your
worship

511
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:19,480
19.2 the Prince Edward County and
expanding of Life of fire

512
00:46:15,720 --> 00:46:25,920
apparatus uh I would like us to write uh
a letter of support to the county um

513
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:30,800
it's clear to me after reading uh
numerous articles and newspapers that

514
00:46:27,839 --> 00:46:38,280
throughout Ontario uh fire services are
becoming unsustainable because of the

515
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:44,800
high cost of equipment and also the
um uh coming together of paid full-time

516
00:46:42,760 --> 00:46:51,880
firefighters versus paid on call
Firefighters recently an article about

517
00:46:47,880 --> 00:47:01,119
napan um and and other jurisdiction
Sudbury comes to mind so this idea that

518
00:46:56,559 --> 00:47:05,960
uh uh our equipment is forced to a
20-year lifespan I know I could drive

519
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:10,280
five miles from my house and see
equipment that's well pasted 20 years

520
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:16,800
and it's still operational and it's
still serving my community where I live

521
00:47:13,359 --> 00:47:22,400
under a joint agreement and so bringing
that argument down to our own

522
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:26,680
municipality uh it is clear to me and I
think it should be clear to just about

523
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:34,200
anybody that it's simply becoming
unsustainable our fire Services as we're

524
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:41,640
topnotch we maintain a very high
standard for a rural municipality but we

525
00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:46,720
are a broad municipality physically um
and quite frankly in the next few years

526
00:47:44,599 --> 00:47:53,920
we are going to be confronted once again
with massive expenditures and this one

527
00:47:50,359 --> 00:48:00,559
of expanding the life of equipment would
be a big step forward thank you any

528
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:05,640
further comments on that item before we
amend the motion to we would have to

529
00:48:03,319 --> 00:48:09,559
amend the motion to to have a letter of
support but that's okay I'm gonna before

530
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:13,079
I amend anything I'm gonna find out if
there's anything else we need to do so

531
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:17,680
councelor maybe and then Deputy Mayor
fod thank you Madame mayor through you I

532
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:22,160
also agree with this one I pulled it out
also that and when we have talked about

533
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:27,119
this is why is there not a
recertification for equipment to ensure

534
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:32,040
that there suitable for service and
that's my big thing is you know you have

535
00:48:29,079 --> 00:48:36,720
a truck that only has 50,000 k on it
after 20 years opposed to a city one

536
00:48:34,359 --> 00:48:40,720
that's got 200 on it there's a distinct
difference in how much use the vehicle

537
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:45,240
has had and so I do feel that there
should be some sort of possible

538
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:49,920
recertification of the equipment to
ensure that it is also to a standard so

539
00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:54,960
I do agree with that one I did have
another one that I was going to okay

540
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:58,680
I'll entertain any comments on this
particular item and then we'll get to

541
00:48:56,240 --> 00:49:02,079
the other items Deputy Mayor phony
excuse me just clarification your

542
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:05,359
worship we're going to talk on this
subject now rather than any others we

543
00:49:03,720 --> 00:49:10,720
might yeah if anybody has anything to
add on this one I will I support what

544
00:49:08,359 --> 00:49:17,200
counselor gr has said uh I've been
around equipment all my life and uh I

545
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:22,480
too don't buy in what uh is being forced
on to us uh the transportation industry

546
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:26,960
I know well and it's a classic example
it feeds right into what counselor gr

547
00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:31,240
said a lot of companies and owner
operators are buying old equipment and

548
00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:37,680
bringing it up to standard because the
so-called new standard basically the DF

549
00:49:33,920 --> 00:49:44,240
fluid to help the environment is a total
colossal failure and a huge expense uh I

550
00:49:41,760 --> 00:49:48,960
know personal people and and companies
have been crippled by the expense of

551
00:49:45,839 --> 00:49:53,359
this procedure uh just on a footnote
Europe only had it over there I believe

552
00:49:50,720 --> 00:49:56,839
nine years and they basically are doing
what the farmers in Europe are doing now

553
00:49:55,160 --> 00:50:01,319
they shut the roads down over there the
trucks just shut off and they said when

554
00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:07,400
you legislate this out we'll continue on
it hasn't even existed in Europe and

555
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:12,079
decades now but uh the point is there
can be a better way rather than a

556
00:50:09,960 --> 00:50:14,920
calendar year to assess it'd be no
different than our own personal vehicles

557
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:20,880
nobody tells you you have to trade
because your vehicle's 10 years old or

558
00:50:17,520 --> 00:50:26,040
15 years old it's a priority we have
we're fortunate enough to have uh good

559
00:50:22,799 --> 00:50:30,160
management good finances and and uh
and

560
00:50:27,240 --> 00:50:37,240
uh and a mechanic on site and I don't
see one bit of logical reason to put a

561
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:43,880
date on the finality of a piece of
equipment okay um so that item uh we've

562
00:50:42,200 --> 00:50:48,240
gone around the table for that is is
there any other item that anybody would

563
00:50:46,000 --> 00:50:53,920
like to see us support in which case we
can amend the motion to do that okay go

564
00:50:51,720 --> 00:51:00,280
ahead councelor maybe thank thank you
Madame Mir excuse me my question comes

565
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:05,520
to 19.2 which is the 2023 Financial
indicator results I found it hard to

566
00:51:03,040 --> 00:51:09,440
understand what we had in our packet so
I don't know whether Phil you can

567
00:51:06,680 --> 00:51:15,400
Enlighten us on just a Cole's note of
what we had

568
00:51:12,040 --> 00:51:20,599
there's notes and the Cole's notes yes
through you Madame mayor yes um so the

569
00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:27,640
township receives this report each year
uh from the municipal Municipal Affairs

570
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:34,000
and uh this is based on our 2022 fi um
so it's a bit dated by now but uh it

571
00:51:31,920 --> 00:51:37,760
it's just meant to provide a quick
snapshot in comparison to other

572
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:41,480
municipalities around us they have a
line there for comparing us to the

573
00:51:39,359 --> 00:51:45,480
county and then province in general and
it's just to provide a really quick

574
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:49,520
snapshot of the Financial Health whether
how sustainable our finances are and how

575
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:56,680
flexible our finances are to uh manage
and whether any unforeseen circumstances

576
00:51:52,359 --> 00:51:59,359
coming up um beyond that um more detail
um could definitely be provided with

577
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:04,440
many of these things around when we
bring the 2023 financials because a lot

578
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:09,559
of that ties in um but in speaking with
that um there hasn't been really any

579
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:14,799
change year-over-year um here um for
most of the uh indicators uh we would be

580
00:52:11,839 --> 00:52:19,280
in the low percentage um meaning that we
are quite sustainable as of now and we

581
00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:24,200
are quite
flexible thank you very much just as

582
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:29,359
followup the reason I say that it's
difficult to read is that it has a lot

583
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:34,359
of uh letters and numbers on a lot of
the pages that which there's no

584
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:38,599
reference to so I'm not sure what those
actually refer to so that's why I say

585
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:42,200
you know without a reference guide
you're not really what you got three the

586
00:52:41,119 --> 00:52:47,520
the letters and the numbers are
referring to very specific lines on

587
00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:52,400
schedules within the firir which is
basically a spreadsheet with about 90

588
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:56,000
tabs on it um so without that context
you're you're really not going to get

589
00:52:53,680 --> 00:52:59,720
that but that that it's telling you
where the line and the information is

590
00:52:58,040 --> 00:53:07,520
pulled from the FI in case you did want
to cross reference it and but

591
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:07,520
yes that's why I imagine Cole's

592
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:16,480
notes okay so councelor Deputy Mayor fod
go ahead thank you worship through you I

593
00:53:14,799 --> 00:53:22,160
would like to see a support the town of
Orangeville on 9.3 it pretty much

594
00:53:19,319 --> 00:53:27,960
repeats what most of us have commented
on about being at the Roma convention

595
00:53:24,559 --> 00:53:32,040
and Fin Cal constraints being put on
communities I'm not sure when they

596
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:36,160
passed this up there but the timing
seems to be suspicious that they may

597
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:44,559
have moved this forward after Roma but
either way it's it's relevant thank

598
00:53:39,839 --> 00:53:49,440
you okay so um any other comments about
the information

599
00:53:46,040 --> 00:53:54,720
items please go ahead fire
chief threeyear worship uh just as a

600
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:58,760
couple of little points I wanted to just
clarify

601
00:53:56,119 --> 00:54:05,200
um we go by the 20year rule for our
Frontline Pumpers uh due to our size and

602
00:54:01,599 --> 00:54:10,319
our uh density population within the um
hamlets uh we are actually at 15 years

603
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:16,599
as a replacement but Fus being the
insurance group has has given uh not

604
00:54:14,160 --> 00:54:21,559
necessarily just leads thousand but uh
areas our size an extra five years to

605
00:54:19,559 --> 00:54:25,720
look at these replacement values these
replacement values we can't think of

606
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:29,880
these like personal vehicles um
I have personal vehicles too that I like

607
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:34,880
to keep on the road um but my personal
vehicle is not an emergency vehicle so

608
00:54:32,319 --> 00:54:39,240
while I do support uh the County's
initiative in doing this because I I

609
00:54:37,079 --> 00:54:44,079
certainly think that uh there there
could be some help there uh whether or

610
00:54:42,000 --> 00:54:49,680
not that's helped from the government uh
to help fund some of these purchases um

611
00:54:47,319 --> 00:54:55,119
I I do know that we actually try very
hard to stay within those uh guidelines

612
00:54:52,359 --> 00:55:00,440
um and the insurance companies are the
are the the pushers on that correct so

613
00:54:57,720 --> 00:55:05,319
that that's why that's that way um but
we're very fortunate to be able to

614
00:55:01,839 --> 00:55:09,359
extend that out five extra years as well
thank

615
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:12,720
you okay so under advisement from the
clerk um I'm going to call the question

616
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:17,839
on the information items and bring
forward a separate motion for letters of

617
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:22,000
support for 19.2 and 19.3 on the council
agenda so unless there's any further

618
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:28,200
comments in regards to the items that
are on the um information

619
00:55:25,839 --> 00:55:34,440
items seeing none I'll call the question
all those in favor all those opposed and

620
00:55:31,039 --> 00:55:38,079
it is carried so with the discussion
about the information items I need a

621
00:55:36,359 --> 00:55:42,400
mover and a secretor that Council
provide letters of support to items 19.2

622
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:50,000
and 19.3 on the council
agenda okay Council gell and

623
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:55,119
seconder Blacky thank you okay so the
motion is that Council provide letters

624
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:59,119
of P support to C items 19.2 and 19.
three on the council agenda any

625
00:55:57,240 --> 00:56:03,680
discussion on this
motion seeing none I'll call the

626
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:07,319
question all those in favor all those
opposed and it is

627
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:15,920
carried so the clerk will write those
letters of support and I will sign them

628
00:56:14,119 --> 00:56:23,400
on behalf of
Council next items are action required

629
00:56:18,760 --> 00:56:26,240
items so 20.1 planning report sr-11 d24
Community Improvement plan

630
00:56:24,440 --> 00:56:30,839
recommendation and the motion comes
forward from councelor Jameson seconded

631
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:33,760
by Deputy Mayor fod that Council Grant
three readings and final passage to byon

632
00:56:32,599 --> 00:56:38,319
number
24-10 being a bylaw to designate a

633
00:56:36,079 --> 00:56:41,680
community Improvement plan area and
adopt a community Improvement plan and

634
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:44,680
that the council direct staff to
implement the financial incentive

635
00:56:43,160 --> 00:56:48,359
programs and Municipal leadership
initiatives of the community Improvement

636
00:56:46,799 --> 00:56:52,960
plan within the parameters of the
capital budget

637
00:56:49,839 --> 00:56:57,799
allocations so discussion on this
motion go ahead madam planner thank you

638
00:56:56,119 --> 00:57:00,880
through you I would note that we have
Jesse mcf on the line who's our

639
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:05,480
consultant on this project who has a
brief summary for Council to follow up

640
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:12,039
from the public meeting excellent so we
will go to Jesse to provide some

641
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:16,559
context thank you Marty and Madame mayor
uh good evening members of council I'm

642
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:20,799
sure most of you recognize me albeit I'm
I've got a full beard now not just a

643
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:24,920
mustache so hope you recognize me uh for
those in the crowd who uh who may be in

644
00:57:22,799 --> 00:57:28,319
attendance who don't recognize me or or
watching the meeting or attending

645
00:57:26,039 --> 00:57:31,400
tonight um I am the consultant planner
that has been helping the township

646
00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:37,280
prepare a community Improvement plan
over the last uh let's say just shy of a

647
00:57:33,799 --> 00:57:40,760
year now and um we're kind of we can see
the finish line and we're kind of at the

648
00:57:38,559 --> 00:57:44,480
finish line right now and uh we're we're
really excited to be uh to be bringing

649
00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:49,680
that forward to council tonight for uh
for consideration of adoption um as part

650
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:54,400
of the staff report that was prepared uh
for this action item uh we did prepare a

651
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:59,559
brief summary of submissions that were
received on the community Improvement

652
00:57:56,000 --> 00:58:04,720
plan um so these were largely uh
received either before or at the public

653
00:58:02,039 --> 00:58:08,720
meeting that was hosted in December um
so there was a lot of great comments

654
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:12,799
received and and obviously shows that uh
you know the Township's got a great

655
00:58:10,039 --> 00:58:17,119
active and involved Community um and and
obviously that'll be key in implementing

656
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:22,480
the plan um over the next kind of 10
years um in terms of the comments

657
00:58:20,119 --> 00:58:26,920
received um like I said there there is a
document that that does summarize them

658
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:32,839
um but to provide kind of a brief
overview of those um we did uh we did

659
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:38,359
take those back and and review them with
with staff and and discuss um carefully

660
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:41,799
you know the recommended actions and and
what we would be looking at addressing

661
00:58:40,160 --> 00:58:46,520
potentially in the plan or what we would
maybe let sit and and and leave for

662
00:58:44,280 --> 00:58:52,000
future uh future revisiting of the plan
or potential amendments in the future um

663
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:56,039
so some of the uh some of the comments
do uh received may you know may be

664
00:58:54,200 --> 00:59:01,480
addressed in the future if if Council
does uh on an annual basis through their

665
00:58:58,200 --> 00:59:07,079
review uh wish to uh wish to pursue an
amendment um they can do so um in terms

666
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:13,160
of the structure of the plan and and and
the uh the way the plan is uh is written

667
00:59:10,359 --> 00:59:17,119
um there were kind of three minor uh
we'll call it minor changes to the plan

668
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:21,960
uh from what was presented in December
4th um so I'll know the first is just

669
00:59:19,680 --> 00:59:25,640
some some minor editorial and Technical
revisions that were undertaken to just

670
00:59:23,559 --> 00:59:30,359
fix some grammar some spelling and
references um the second was uh we did

671
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:35,559
hear that there was a desire to
incorporate more um

672
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:41,280
environmental language and and
ecotourism language into the plan um so

673
00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:45,000
the addition of of specific language uh
particularly with the Agri tourism

674
00:59:43,119 --> 00:59:50,920
program which is now called the Agri
Agri ecotourism program and additional

675
00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:55,160
language and permissions uh for for the
scope of that Grant uh has been

676
00:59:53,079 --> 01:00:00,319
Incorporated in there to address those
uh those comments um lastly there was

677
00:59:58,000 --> 01:00:04,359
just some clarification added uh just on
the administrative side just in terms of

678
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:09,319
the maximum number of applications that
are permitted to an applicant on an an

679
01:00:07,039 --> 01:00:15,440
annual basis um so those were kind of
the main substantial changes that were

680
01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:20,799
made um and uh if you'll refer to the
summary that was provided um there there

681
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:24,559
is some uh some rationalization for for
how the the submissions were reviewed

682
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:30,000
and and and the action that was
recommended moving forward um we did

683
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:34,480
meet with the county and Ministry of
Municipal Affairs and Housing uh to

684
01:00:31,839 --> 01:00:38,760
discuss the the finalized draft ahead of
this uh this council meeting that was in

685
01:00:36,319 --> 01:00:42,720
late January um the comments received
were very supportive of the plan and in

686
01:00:41,079 --> 01:00:48,200
discussion with staff it was determined
that no further changes were necessary

687
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:55,200
um or in our opinion for for adoption to
be considered at this time um so with

688
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:57,839
that said um OB obviously I would I
would like to thank you know the

689
01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:02,720
township of leads in the Thousand
Islands Marty and their team and uh and

690
01:01:00,960 --> 01:01:06,240
obviously members of council and members
of the community for you know

691
01:01:04,119 --> 01:01:11,000
participating in this process and
helping to build this plan up and uh and

692
01:01:09,079 --> 01:01:18,160
and for having confidence in Republic to
to to prepare this plan for you so

693
01:01:14,079 --> 01:01:22,839
um obviously uh it is a bit of a CO's
note summary of of kind of uh what

694
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:27,960
What's been changed but uh I'd be happy
to uh happy to answer any any further

695
01:01:25,039 --> 01:01:33,440
questions or or tackle any comments or
anything like that uh if there are any

696
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:37,520
thank you okay any comments or questions
in regards to the plan that's been put

697
01:01:38,799 --> 01:01:48,799
forward well I have a
comment um I'm pretty sure our planner

698
01:01:45,319 --> 01:01:55,000
or our consultant won't brag about this
but I will so when our consultant and

699
01:01:52,559 --> 01:02:01,520
our staff met with the representatives
from MMA in regards to this community

700
01:01:57,599 --> 01:02:06,319
Improvement plan it was said to have
been and I wasn't there so I shouldn't

701
01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:10,240
quote but I'm going to quote my what was
told to me that this was the best one of

702
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:16,000
the best community Improvement plans
that they had ever seen uh also uh they

703
01:02:13,799 --> 01:02:20,680
really they had never seen a community
Improvement plan that included the rural

704
01:02:17,839 --> 01:02:25,599
areas that most of the time it was
focused solely focused on settlement

705
01:02:22,960 --> 01:02:30,000
areas and that the fact that we have
included the rural areas as part of our

706
01:02:27,799 --> 01:02:34,200
community Improvement plan was something
that they were very pleased to see and

707
01:02:32,039 --> 01:02:39,920
are looking forward to seeing how it
rolls out um and how we might integrate

708
01:02:37,200 --> 01:02:46,480
that into helping make our community
more welcoming and more supportive so uh

709
01:02:43,279 --> 01:02:50,480
kudos to the staff and the our
consultant who worked hard on this plan

710
01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:54,640
as well as all the members of the public
who made sure that they got out and made

711
01:02:52,039 --> 01:03:00,760
comments to help us form the detail that
are included in this plan so I just felt

712
01:02:57,559 --> 01:03:06,000
that it needed to be said so um any
other

713
01:03:03,079 --> 01:03:12,279
comments okay well then we will call the
question all those in favor all those

714
01:03:08,599 --> 01:03:16,160
opposed as carried I look forward to as
I'm sure the rest of council does to see

715
01:03:14,200 --> 01:03:21,160
how this rolls out and how it might
affect some of our local homeowners and

716
01:03:18,920 --> 01:03:21,160
business

717
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:29,920
owners uh next on the items is 20 .2
planning operations and Corporate

718
01:03:26,240 --> 01:03:34,079
Services report sr-01 0-24 single Source
procurement software acquisition for PSD

719
01:03:32,079 --> 01:03:38,039
Citywide for Planning Development
Department and asset management Plan

720
01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:41,960
update motion comes forward from
councelor Maybe seconded by councelor

721
01:03:39,559 --> 01:03:46,520
Jameson the council approved to enter
into a contract with the public sector

722
01:03:43,599 --> 01:03:50,960
digest Inc PSD on a single Source basis
for the provision of Citywide planning

723
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:55,720
city-wide permits and Licensing
city-wide citizen portal and Citywide

724
01:03:53,880 --> 01:04:00,160
payment integration to be funded from
the 2024 operating budget and that

725
01:03:58,359 --> 01:04:04,880
Council approves staff to enter into a
con contract with the public sector

726
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:08,839
digest Inc PSD on a single Source basis
for the provision of updating the asset

727
01:04:06,640 --> 01:04:14,440
management plan to be funded from the
2024 operating budget so the motion's on

728
01:04:12,039 --> 01:04:20,480
the floor any discussion on the
motion go ahead Council

729
01:04:17,359 --> 01:04:26,400
gr thank you to you uh your worship I
just want to um confirm what I thought

730
01:04:23,000 --> 01:04:32,240
when I was uh reading that it looks like
uh planning is piggybacking on the

731
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:36,680
current asset management plan uh with an
add-on from Citywide have I got that

732
01:04:34,760 --> 01:04:41,520
correct um through you that's correct so
it's not the asset management plan

733
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:45,160
necessarily but public sector digest is
software that we've already invested in

734
01:04:43,079 --> 01:04:49,000
so we would be using the same platform
with complimentary modules within the

735
01:04:47,119 --> 01:04:53,799
existing software so that we could add
in so that all staff are using the same

736
01:04:51,039 --> 01:04:58,920
software yeah that's that's what I was
getting

737
01:04:55,000 --> 01:05:04,559
and um the cost of that was
sorry uh it's in the report yeah so I've

738
01:05:02,640 --> 01:05:11,680
got it right here through you the cost
for the year is um 86,000 for the first

739
01:05:08,440 --> 01:05:16,960
year and then subsequent years it's an
annual uh off the top of our hats do we

740
01:05:14,359 --> 01:05:24,480
know what our total then is to what are
we paying to a Citywide I know it was

741
01:05:19,720 --> 01:05:29,599
started back when Kate advised us to to
get on that train saying it was the best

742
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:33,279
software available I believe that the
treasurer is looking that up now what

743
01:05:31,079 --> 01:05:36,039
are we uh how much we spending a year
now on them

744
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:42,640
thanks okay well I'll give the treasurer
a minute if I'm not mistaken the

745
01:05:40,599 --> 01:05:47,920
original investment with Citywide was
about

746
01:05:43,680 --> 01:05:47,920
250,000 250 or

747
01:05:48,079 --> 01:05:56,160
150 150 so it was 150 and then the
annual I want to say is 16

748
01:05:54,320 --> 01:06:02,440
[Music]
I'm I'm going by memory

749
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:02,440
so top of my head I was thinking our

750
01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:05,559
annual

751
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:16,760
yeah sorry Phil I think my question was
a little vague so we buy the we buy the

752
01:06:14,319 --> 01:06:21,000
software first and then there's just the
annual yes so we there there's usually

753
01:06:19,279 --> 01:06:24,880
an upfront cost to purchase the software
in the modules that usually comes with

754
01:06:22,680 --> 01:06:28,480
training and setup and configuration and
all that sort of thing and then once

755
01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:33,880
you're up and running um you pay an
annual uh license uh to keep up keep it

756
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:39,000
up and and that also includes any
updates as they come

757
01:06:35,400 --> 01:06:44,960
along and support and uh so we're up
we're talking an additional

758
01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:48,039
87,000 yeah go ahead Madam planner thank
you just for clarification that's the

759
01:06:46,559 --> 01:06:53,200
first year startup that's the
implementation the training um onetime

760
01:06:50,520 --> 01:06:59,440
costs so following that it would be
16,000 in a

761
01:06:55,920 --> 01:07:06,039
year so just further Clarity on that
this these extra modules will change how

762
01:07:02,960 --> 01:07:10,240
the building department works it will uh
I think it's clear in the in but for the

763
01:07:08,640 --> 01:07:15,720
purpose of the public that might be
watching um it's going to change how we

764
01:07:13,119 --> 01:07:19,559
process building permits and how it's
presented to the public correct yes

765
01:07:17,480 --> 01:07:23,319
through you so um the software would
create a public portal whereby people

766
01:07:21,279 --> 01:07:27,839
can apply online for Planning and
Building appli

767
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:32,920
pay online um the whole process itself
we would be doing online circulations of

768
01:07:29,880 --> 01:07:36,240
applications as opposed to um email
circulation so there's better tracking

769
01:07:34,559 --> 01:07:40,319
and metrics associated with the
applications and our timelines um so

770
01:07:38,680 --> 01:07:44,400
from a planning perspective given the
changes that the provincial government

771
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:48,400
has made for us to be aware of our
timelines and refund fees it's a better

772
01:07:46,400 --> 01:07:53,599
tracking system it's more efficient for
that as well as it allows applicants to

773
01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:58,400
actually see into their applications and
the processing and what's going on so

774
01:07:55,279 --> 01:08:03,680
it's more clear um in addition to that
it allows us to look at all of our

775
01:08:00,319 --> 01:08:08,799
licensing and everything else so um dog
licenses um special

776
01:08:06,200 --> 01:08:12,000
events Lottery like there there's a lot
more application Beyond just planning

777
01:08:10,599 --> 01:08:16,279
and building that's coming out of what
we're looking

778
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:21,080
at just one further comment if I may I
was quite impressed with the idea that

779
01:08:17,960 --> 01:08:25,600
it allows one Department the right hand
can see what the left hand's doing when

780
01:08:23,400 --> 01:08:30,920
it comes to all things that are going on
in a given property am I correct in

781
01:08:27,239 --> 01:08:35,640
saying that as well that's correct thank
you it also is an opportunity for the

782
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:40,640
public to see what building permits are
out are ongoing um because it's part of

783
01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:47,239
a forward- facing piece is
not some of that needs to be configured

784
01:08:43,159 --> 01:08:51,159
But ultimately yes okay I see Hands Up
from councelor maybe and then deputy

785
01:08:48,839 --> 01:08:56,600
mayor fody uh thank you madam mayor and
through you so this is an in-house

786
01:08:53,880 --> 01:09:02,400
program that will be with on our server
and uh so it's internal and there will

787
01:08:59,120 --> 01:09:08,600
be a firewall already kind of embedded
in this as well as the one that our it

788
01:09:04,839 --> 01:09:12,920
will have so it's safe for all this
interaction uh through you it has been

789
01:09:10,920 --> 01:09:15,759
involved in this all along the way so
I'm not going to try to speak to it but

790
01:09:14,480 --> 01:09:20,640
they're good with
it de mayor fry go ahead thank you

791
01:09:18,880 --> 01:09:24,920
worship through you councelor girl's
question made me revert back to the Roma

792
01:09:23,120 --> 01:09:28,679
convention again on a small breakout
session I attended there might have been

793
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:34,400
only 30 people in the room but it was to
do with security and it touched very

794
01:09:31,359 --> 01:09:38,520
much on any municipality that isn't
transversing the records and everything

795
01:09:36,319 --> 01:09:43,960
to a cloud system is seriously
vulnerable to hacking and they gave some

796
01:09:41,359 --> 01:09:47,480
broad examples without specifying
municipalities and one larger

797
01:09:45,759 --> 01:09:51,679
municipality apparently just last year
at their budget deliberated and decided

798
01:09:49,520 --> 01:09:55,440
not to spend the money at the time
didn't say how much money it was and

799
01:09:53,279 --> 01:10:01,760
within 60 days they were facing Sev
digigit uh blackmail figures to pay

800
01:09:58,600 --> 01:10:07,000
Ransom and uh so anyway I I couldn't
help but feel a little Comfort sitting

801
01:10:03,400 --> 01:10:12,400
there knowing that our it department has
transversed all our security and such

802
01:10:09,719 --> 01:10:17,120
into a cloud system and when you sit in
on and hear a few of the horror stories

803
01:10:14,320 --> 01:10:21,080
that were shared up there you realize
there's a reason you need to be in a

804
01:10:18,760 --> 01:10:27,520
comfort zone because as the one
presenter said you can pay now or you

805
01:10:22,679 --> 01:10:32,480
can pay seriously later excuse me um
Phil through Madame mayor if we're still

806
01:10:29,719 --> 01:10:36,800
looking for the number it's about 28,000
existing thank you is our annual fee

807
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:42,120
towards the current Citywide
configuration but that includes support

808
01:10:39,360 --> 01:10:47,480
and updates to the program every year
yep okay um I think one of the major

809
01:10:45,239 --> 01:10:50,800
things that I see in this as far as
benefit is concerned and I know that we

810
01:10:49,320 --> 01:10:54,440
still have a a great amount of the
population that likes to come in here

811
01:10:52,440 --> 01:10:58,640
into the municipality
uh into the municipal building there are

812
01:10:56,840 --> 01:11:03,440
lots of people that would be very
grateful to be able to pay online not

813
01:11:00,520 --> 01:11:07,600
have to bring in their forms can scan
email them put upload them what have you

814
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:12,360
they can still fill them out manually
but they can they'll be able to upload

815
01:11:09,640 --> 01:11:16,600
them and pay um and I'm sure and if you
look at it from a a system point of view

816
01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:21,360
if they're paying
online can't go missing there's always a

817
01:11:19,120 --> 01:11:25,440
tracking part of it so it's it's
beneficial on a number of different

818
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:30,640
levels Within within the administration
side any further comments or questions

819
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:35,719
uh Deputy
Mayor I thank you worship I have to

820
01:11:33,120 --> 01:11:41,159
share a a funny little story that was
shared to me just a couple weeks ago one

821
01:11:37,639 --> 01:11:44,880
of our residents he's 94 years old and
he said he likes to pay online as well

822
01:11:43,280 --> 01:11:49,560
the line at the bottom of his check
where he signs his

823
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:54,520
name and we'll still accept that as well
we're happy to accept

824
01:11:51,360 --> 01:11:58,800
that um any
other comments in regards to the motion

825
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:05,080
that's on the floor in regards to
expanding our Citywide public sector

826
01:12:01,280 --> 01:12:09,280
digest com U contract seeing none I'll
call the question all those in favor all

827
01:12:06,840 --> 01:12:13,800
those opposed and it is
carried next item is Private Road Grants

828
01:12:12,239 --> 01:12:18,320
I will ask councelor Jameson to leave
the room which he is

829
01:12:15,520 --> 01:12:23,199
doing thank you very
much so the motion that's coming forward

830
01:12:20,760 --> 01:12:27,600
is coming from Council gell seconded by
Council kman the council approved the

831
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:32,120
allocation and payment of 25,000 in
Private Road Grants maintenance stream

832
01:12:29,719 --> 01:12:36,600
as recommended in operation support
sr-12

833
01:12:33,639 --> 01:12:41,360
d24 discussion on this
motion go ahead Deputy Mayor fony thank

834
01:12:39,560 --> 01:12:44,800
you worship through you just curiosity I
didn't take the time to look up how does

835
01:12:43,520 --> 01:12:48,440
this
37725 cents compared to last year's

836
01:12:47,120 --> 01:12:51,960
perometer
rate thank you through your worship and

837
01:12:50,600 --> 01:12:55,280
I knew you're were going to ask me that
question and I'm going to look that up

838
01:12:53,800 --> 01:12:58,520
right now because I just realized it's
not in the report which I usually do

839
01:12:57,040 --> 01:13:02,880
include so I will find that sorry about
that I could have looked it up myself

840
01:13:00,199 --> 01:13:08,120
but it wasn't until sometime yesterday
morning that uh I put a question mark on

841
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:13,600
here get that info right away um I can
ask you an easier question though um is

842
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:17,520
are we getting repeats from the same
roads grants they're starting to realize

843
01:13:15,600 --> 01:13:21,920
the value in this and they're repeating
the request for

844
01:13:19,920 --> 01:13:26,120
application yes thank you through your
worship uh we are getting repeats and

845
01:13:24,199 --> 01:13:30,960
we're we're getting uh more private
lanes that are that are joining on as

846
01:13:28,159 --> 01:13:35,040
well um and the documentation that we're
receiving is a lot more consistent than

847
01:13:32,560 --> 01:13:38,400
when it was when when I took this over
three years ago so they're they're on

848
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:44,560
the program they understand what the
requirements are and they see the

849
01:13:40,320 --> 01:13:49,360
benefit of applying for it good yep so
any other comments or questions in

850
01:13:47,159 --> 01:13:54,199
regards to this private road Grant or
maintenance stream not capital capital

851
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:58,679
stream will come up uh at a different
time

852
01:13:55,840 --> 01:14:04,080
so uh counselor or Deputy Mayor fod are
you okay to get your answer After he

853
01:14:00,639 --> 01:14:07,639
finds it or do you okay it won't affect
your support one way or the other okay

854
01:14:05,960 --> 01:14:12,440
so all those in favor of the motion at
hand all those opposed and it's carried

855
01:14:10,679 --> 01:14:15,080
so we'll ask councelor Jameson to come
back into the

856
01:14:19,679 --> 01:14:29,800
room thank you councelor Jameson we're
on to to 20.4 operations report sr-01

857
01:14:26,280 --> 01:14:33,880
6-24 purchase of a 2024 wood shipper
motion comes forward from Council kelman

858
01:14:32,000 --> 01:14:38,280
seconded by Council gell the council
authorized staff to proceed with the

859
01:14:35,320 --> 01:14:44,239
purchase of a 2024 verier
bc1000xl wood shipper from Premier

860
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:44,239
Canada in the amount of $

861
01:14:44,480 --> 01:14:52,719
7,666 inclusive of the net HST
discussion on the

862
01:14:49,480 --> 01:14:57,800
motion Deputy Mayor FY go ahead thank
you worship through you after looking at

863
01:14:55,960 --> 01:15:02,000
this a couple of times this past weekend
I'm going to be the fly in the ointment

864
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:07,239
I don't see this piece of equipment as
being critical to our operations I stand

865
01:15:04,159 --> 01:15:11,040
to be corrected if so but we're exactly
four weeks from the night of having

866
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:16,440
approved a budget capital budget and
operating budget and uh I would like to

867
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:24,199
see this deferred and come back at us
again next year in the annual budget and

868
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:28,040
uh and be drawing in that way and
supported and the main reason I'm doing

869
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:32,840
this I don't need to tell anybody
sitting at this table the financial uh

870
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:38,000
hill we have to climb here in the next
few years and uh put 70 thou over

871
01:15:35,639 --> 01:15:44,760
$770,000 on top of a budget we passed
four weeks ago I think is just not the

872
01:15:40,199 --> 01:15:49,800
right position thank you um in the in
the report it says that the amount of a

873
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:54,280
th $100,000 was budgeted in this year's
budget and that the proposed unit at

874
01:15:51,679 --> 01:15:59,760
$70,000 Falls Within the aot of budget
so this is not on top of the existing

875
01:15:57,159 --> 01:16:05,120
budget so it's within the budget that
was already approved just so for clarity

876
01:16:02,960 --> 01:16:11,199
is there any other questions or comments
in regards to this

877
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:17,159
item no okay well I'm going to call the
question then all those in favor all

878
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:17,159
those opposed and it's

879
01:16:17,760 --> 01:16:27,120
carried um next item is operations and
Corporate Services report S r-

880
01:16:24,239 --> 01:16:29,600
01424 Grant Management Services moved by
councelor kelman seconded by Council

881
01:16:28,480 --> 01:16:33,760
gerell that Council approved the
township entering into an agreement with

882
01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:38,800
Grant match Corp for Grant application
services for a period of two years plus

883
01:16:35,719 --> 01:16:42,040
automatic annual renewals and that
Council authorizes chief administrative

884
01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:49,400
officer to execute the agreement on
behalf of the township so

885
01:16:45,520 --> 01:16:54,199
um any questions for this uh staff
report and um motion that's on the floor

886
01:16:52,400 --> 01:17:00,320
go ahead Council Lackey and then I have
councelor gr thank you worship been

887
01:16:57,040 --> 01:17:04,600
through you um I like the idea of
someone U going after the grants because

888
01:17:02,679 --> 01:17:11,360
I know we've probably missed some along
the way um but I'm wondering at what

889
01:17:09,040 --> 01:17:17,960
cost um we used to have somebody here
that did grants in house um I realize

890
01:17:14,280 --> 01:17:24,760
it's kind of an honorous thing to do um
but by losing what is it 10% up to a

891
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:30,320
million dollars 5% after that
um you know it's almost like we're

892
01:17:27,440 --> 01:17:35,760
hiring another staff person for two
years um I realize it's based on whether

893
01:17:32,800 --> 01:17:40,920
or not they're successful um but that's
kind of a healthy percentage to take I'm

894
01:17:38,679 --> 01:17:45,120
wondering if that can't be done inh
house you're looking at whether that can

895
01:17:43,159 --> 01:17:49,800
be negotiated differently no whether it
can be done in house oh do it in house

896
01:17:47,040 --> 01:17:53,960
sorry uh I'll let the chief uh
administrative officer respond and then

897
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:59,560
I'll have the treasur
respond uh thank you worship and through

898
01:17:56,280 --> 01:18:04,600
you um you're quite right in your
observation councilor lacky um

899
01:18:02,000 --> 01:18:09,199
potentially a $100,000 payment on a
million dollar Grant uh or a million

900
01:18:07,440 --> 01:18:17,760
dollars on
a a larger Grant is is quite um it seems

901
01:18:14,719 --> 01:18:24,440
it's very expensive if we were pursuing
a a major dollar Grant um I think it

902
01:18:21,800 --> 01:18:29,800
would be a little more economical if we
retained a consultant to help us with

903
01:18:26,600 --> 01:18:37,560
that rather than give up
10% as a yeah so so you know my thinking

904
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:43,400
on this is um this organization is
plugged into the granting World um we

905
01:18:40,960 --> 01:18:50,000
could use them up to a certain level of
Grant uh and help them gain their

906
01:18:46,880 --> 01:18:56,440
expertise um but if we were talking
about a major a major uh Grant

907
01:18:53,800 --> 01:19:01,800
opportunity I think I would rather us
have our consultant who who uh uh

908
01:18:59,800 --> 01:19:08,040
understands the township and understands
uh the project um be working on the

909
01:19:04,639 --> 01:19:14,560
grant rather than taking a flyer on on a
grant match thing um that said they uh I

910
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:18,880
understand they are uh widely used in
the municipal World a lot of our

911
01:19:16,239 --> 01:19:24,000
neighboring townships do retain them
it's on a non-exclusive basis so there

912
01:19:21,440 --> 01:19:29,520
is nothing that says that we have to use
them at any time it's just for the

913
01:19:26,560 --> 01:19:33,960
grants that we want them to chase for us
and again they only get paid if they're

914
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:39,560
successful so they have a pretty good
track record on improving uh success

915
01:19:36,280 --> 01:19:43,159
rates on grants and um I think you know
it might be worth a tow in the water to

916
01:19:41,159 --> 01:19:48,280
see how they do if we don't have a good
experience with them there's no need for

917
01:19:44,960 --> 01:19:48,280
us to continue using with

918
01:19:48,480 --> 01:19:55,880
them okay and then sorry I had a uh had
Phil that wanted to get in uh

919
01:19:56,199 --> 01:20:02,760
Treasurer okay the CEO clarified that so
councilor Jameson you have a comment

920
01:20:01,120 --> 01:20:11,159
just just based on what I'm hearing from
the CEO the my assumption reading this

921
01:20:06,000 --> 01:20:17,000
and and being told that um this does not
preclude the opportunity for us to use

922
01:20:13,920 --> 01:20:22,880
other grant writing services say local
ones but my assumption then based on the

923
01:20:20,480 --> 01:20:31,800
report and based on what I've just heard
is that you would be looking to rather

924
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:38,040
large uh efforts as opposed to the
$50,000 one or the $20,000 one because

925
01:20:35,400 --> 01:20:42,639
you can get lost in the in the fog on
those but I mean you've got to be

926
01:20:40,199 --> 01:20:49,960
getting these people to focus on the big
stuff I'm I'm asked that's a question so

927
01:20:46,480 --> 01:20:55,639
there they um the way they work as I
understand it um they will sit down with

928
01:20:52,360 --> 01:21:00,239
our staff and say what's your your
upcoming year or two years or three

929
01:20:57,600 --> 01:21:06,520
years look like and they'll see the work
that we're we're doing and they will

930
01:21:03,560 --> 01:21:11,480
basically keep their eyes open for grant
opportunities based on the work that we

931
01:21:08,800 --> 01:21:15,639
would like to get done during the year
and so they'll come to us with you know

932
01:21:13,320 --> 01:21:21,560
hey here's a grant opportunity and and
then the decision is ours whether we

933
01:21:17,480 --> 01:21:26,880
want to have them work on that um
opportunity or not for us I see them

934
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:30,639
there's there's always lots of Grants
out there that aren't you know the

935
01:21:28,360 --> 01:21:37,000
multi-million dollar grants but the
$50,000 grants the $30,000 grants um if

936
01:21:34,400 --> 01:21:43,480
we have uh a
a a firm that's out there tracking those

937
01:21:40,159 --> 01:21:49,760
opportunities for us and coming to us um
I'm happy I personally to have some firm

938
01:21:47,120 --> 01:21:56,639
look after you know a $330,000 grant
that we don't have to worry about um and

939
01:21:52,639 --> 01:22:03,080
we pay them 3,000 bucks um for the
bigger opportunities I think it's a

940
01:21:59,000 --> 01:22:09,639
bigger it's a bigger consideration do we
go with a grant match given their fee

941
01:22:05,360 --> 01:22:14,320
structure or do we um do we go retain a
consultant uh at probably something

942
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:19,360
lower I can't see a consultant charging
us you know a million dollars to do a

943
01:22:16,520 --> 01:22:23,600
Grant application for a $10 million
opportunity or however it works out with

944
01:22:21,159 --> 01:22:27,159
the fee structure so so I think there
are definitely cases when it makes sense

945
01:22:25,440 --> 01:22:31,159
economically to use Grant masch and then
there's other ones where it makes better

946
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:35,239
sense to either do it in-house or
contract out the expertise to a third

947
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:40,440
party like uh you know JL Richards for
example has helped us uh on grants in

948
01:22:37,719 --> 01:22:45,840
the past um on particular Public Works
things so they have the nice thing is

949
01:22:43,280 --> 01:22:50,760
they understand what work we are doing
and they understand the township um and

950
01:22:48,360 --> 01:22:54,360
they also have the technical lingo that
they can put in into the grants as well

951
01:22:52,960 --> 01:23:00,920
for
us okay uh Deputy Mayor FR go ahead

952
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:05,440
thank you worship through you to our CAO
uh do you know does Grant match

953
01:23:03,159 --> 01:23:09,400
Corporation are they automatically in
receivership of every Grant that's put

954
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:18,239
out there or do they have to search
daily as well um I believe they have um

955
01:23:14,960 --> 01:23:23,000
they have a team that uh check the
websites of the you know fcm and the

956
01:23:20,679 --> 01:23:27,120
usual The Usual Suspects in the granting
world uh so they monitor the federal

957
01:23:25,120 --> 01:23:30,800
government they monitor the the various
departments or ministries of the

958
01:23:28,960 --> 01:23:36,840
provincial government and then the
associations that are out there and uh

959
01:23:34,360 --> 01:23:40,920
you know if if you had the resources in
house you could we could do that but

960
01:23:38,719 --> 01:23:45,239
it's a full-time job and I suspect they
have they do it nationally so I suspect

961
01:23:43,719 --> 01:23:48,679
they have quite a significant number of
resources dedicated to just watching

962
01:23:47,080 --> 01:23:54,040
opportunities and bring it to their
clients because that's how they generate

963
01:23:51,120 --> 01:23:58,760
Revenue well just thank you your worship
just a

964
01:23:55,159 --> 01:24:03,920
comment uh to the CEO's comments um I'd
be afraid of what we would miss on

965
01:24:00,600 --> 01:24:08,760
smaller items whether it's 20 or $50,000
now that we've uh given a green light to

966
01:24:06,560 --> 01:24:13,360
this uh Community Improvement plan for
instance there could be handfuls of

967
01:24:11,480 --> 01:24:17,199
small amounts of money but in the bigger
scheme of things they could add up to

968
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:24,360
something significant that could help
get this project off and running thank

969
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:28,360
you I I I absolutely agree with you
Deputy Mayor um you know you have the

970
01:24:26,560 --> 01:24:32,520
big net out there and all the small fish
start getting through the holes right so

971
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:38,239
having having the backup of a grant
match would help us hopefully um bring

972
01:24:35,639 --> 01:24:43,199
in some of those smaller fish as
well okay um I have H councelor Lackey

973
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:48,360
sorry councelor growl did you have your
hand up on this one I did yeah I'm sorry

974
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:55,480
go ahead coun thank you and to you your
worship as good as this sounds I'm a

975
01:24:51,400 --> 01:25:00,239
little hesitant to to jump on board um
it's almost sounds too good to be true

976
01:24:58,440 --> 01:25:06,440
however in the years that I've sat in
this seat I have heard more times than

977
01:25:03,719 --> 01:25:10,360
enough that we're going to do this
multi-million dollar project or this

978
01:25:08,560 --> 01:25:16,639
multi- tens of thousands of dollar
project and we're going to apply for

979
01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:21,840
funding I cannot count one single time
that we've gotten big Grant fing and I

980
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:28,400
could quote Springfield house we're
talking get 500,000 or something from

981
01:25:23,760 --> 01:25:33,719
some Source hasn't happened yet um fire
upcoming for our unsustainable fire

982
01:25:31,199 --> 01:25:38,560
Services uh we talk about getting grants
for that never happened um the closest

983
01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:44,080
one I can come to and this hasn't come
through yet fcm was approached through

984
01:25:40,920 --> 01:25:48,400
their Greening program for the waste
disposal

985
01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:56,159
recently probably who knows what's going
to happen with that one um so

986
01:25:52,880 --> 01:26:03,159
on one hand I'm torn between it sounds
too good to be true but on the other

987
01:25:58,960 --> 01:26:07,280
hand I haven't seen an instance where
we've gone after and gotten I know we've

988
01:26:05,520 --> 01:26:14,639
been turned down by Trillium I think on
a couple of things so if this is and my

989
01:26:11,480 --> 01:26:20,719
next question would be procedural with
this and it would be should we set as we

990
01:26:17,400 --> 01:26:26,239
do in procurement should we set some
kind of limits that ask for a staff

991
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:30,520
report to come back to council after a
certain threshold of I don't know

992
01:26:27,920 --> 01:26:37,960
$100,000 or something something do we
want to do we want to make a procurement

993
01:26:34,040 --> 01:26:43,080
style of uh processing for that so it's
not in the back room saying oh yeah we

994
01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:47,880
uh hired them to do this and we haven't
heard back or something of that nature

995
01:26:45,520 --> 01:26:52,520
so rather than vote on this tonight I
wouldn't mind uh deferring that and

996
01:26:50,159 --> 01:26:58,199
giving our staff some time to think
about the

997
01:26:54,960 --> 01:27:04,719
process so your ask is just so that I'm
clear yeah um your ask is for staff to

998
01:27:01,239 --> 01:27:09,719
come back with potential thresholds for
applications for for this program so

999
01:27:07,119 --> 01:27:15,280
only using them for example up to
$500,000 that may be uh ridiculous it's

1000
01:27:13,199 --> 01:27:20,400
just that tonight I haven't had time to
digest this report it just sounds too

1001
01:27:17,639 --> 01:27:26,920
good to be true and if it is it's good
it's just that I would wonder should we

1002
01:27:24,159 --> 01:27:32,840
should we have something further
procedurally okay thank you so I'm gonna

1003
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:39,480
just I'm gonna go to counselor Lackey
and then I'll go to Deputy Mayor fod and

1004
01:27:36,600 --> 01:27:42,679
then gerell and I I don't want to lose
this one but at the same time if you're

1005
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:48,800
asking for a deferral I don't want to
beler the point so councelor lacky go

1006
01:27:45,360 --> 01:27:53,440
ahead um I would go for the deferral um
right off the top but my question is if

1007
01:27:51,560 --> 01:27:59,360
you've got some somebody who's uh
there's only one pot of gold and you've

1008
01:27:56,080 --> 01:28:01,679
got this person these people that are um
keeping track of that pot of gold but

1009
01:28:00,920 --> 01:28:08,159
they
represent uh numerous clients after that

1010
01:28:05,320 --> 01:28:13,560
same um pot of gold I mean how do we
know that we're being represented to the

1011
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:18,679
best of their ability that we get that
if they're representing three other uh

1012
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:22,520
municipalities for the same money um how
do we know there's no favoritism how do

1013
01:28:20,440 --> 01:28:27,760
we know um that they're really
representing us well who knows the

1014
01:28:24,639 --> 01:28:31,639
township any better than our staff does
and why we need the money what it's for

1015
01:28:29,560 --> 01:28:36,760
what we're going to do with it the uh
details of of all our projects that's

1016
01:28:34,560 --> 01:28:41,199
here they don't know what we're doing
they can come in and they're going to

1017
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:48,880
get the same information from us so why
are we letting someone else do something

1018
01:28:43,280 --> 01:28:56,760
that we can be doing and not pay 10% or
5% or 50,000 or 100,000 okay so we have

1019
01:28:54,199 --> 01:29:02,040
potentially a deferral on the docket do
either one of you want to speak

1020
01:28:59,560 --> 01:29:05,520
to before I entertain the deferral is
there anything else you want to ask go

1021
01:29:03,400 --> 01:29:09,119
ahead Council maybe and then de mayor FY
and then Jameson thank you madam mayor

1022
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:14,000
and through you uh my question comes
from uh how do they get paid because it

1023
01:29:12,040 --> 01:29:21,400
did say in the document that none of the
grant money can go to the payment so do

1024
01:29:17,199 --> 01:29:25,760
we have a a line item in our budget
that's going to cover some of these

1025
01:29:22,960 --> 01:29:32,000
hundreds of thousands of dollars thank
you so I'll let Phil speak to that

1026
01:29:30,000 --> 01:29:36,679
through you Madame mayor uh so I do have
experience in my previous employee

1027
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:41,520
working with Grant match at other
municipalities uh so in terms of the how

1028
01:29:39,280 --> 01:29:45,560
they get paid um if they are successful
they they do get their share for the

1029
01:29:43,239 --> 01:29:50,800
agreement um and we do you would work
that into the capital budget so for

1030
01:29:48,320 --> 01:29:56,239
example if it was a $500,000 project
they got A500 ,000 Grant we owe them 50

1031
01:29:54,080 --> 01:29:59,679
we would budget that project that net
we're getting 450 from the Grant and

1032
01:29:57,880 --> 01:30:04,119
we'd have to come up with 50,000 of our
own so that's generally how it's

1033
01:30:02,239 --> 01:30:08,920
budgeted when you are using it towards
Capital programs and alternatively with

1034
01:30:07,119 --> 01:30:13,880
the other option that was given by the
CAO if we were to hire separate

1035
01:30:11,199 --> 01:30:17,679
Consultants we would be out that money
regardless of whether we were successful

1036
01:30:15,679 --> 01:30:23,520
where as with Grant we don't have to pay
up front just for clarity yeah so if

1037
01:30:21,239 --> 01:30:26,840
under the coo scenario really that that
project would cost

1038
01:30:25,159 --> 01:30:31,440
$550,000 because we're paying a
contractor or a consultant $50,000 more

1039
01:30:29,880 --> 01:30:38,760
50 would go to the consultant we'd get
500 so it's kind of that's if we're

1040
01:30:34,280 --> 01:30:42,520
successful yeah okay so counselor maybe
uh just as a followup then because some

1041
01:30:41,000 --> 01:30:48,040
of these projects have to be shovel
ready before we ever proceed to go to

1042
01:30:45,040 --> 01:30:53,480
Grant we're already set the the bar of
what the cost is so once we get there

1043
01:30:50,679 --> 01:30:56,760
are we going to add that bar cost in
there for this company to do it opposed

1044
01:30:55,880 --> 01:31:01,639
to
ourselves it's just it's just there's a

1045
01:31:00,040 --> 01:31:07,080
lot of money to be
given in gratitude for them getting the

1046
01:31:04,239 --> 01:31:12,080
grant for us I'm just trying to see how
that

1047
01:31:08,320 --> 01:31:15,920
works uh through your work yes um they
have a sh already the application to be

1048
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:19,960
successful that if they if we were using
them for that Grant we would build in

1049
01:31:17,639 --> 01:31:22,800
that contingency within the budget as if
we were successful and they were paid

1050
01:31:21,440 --> 01:31:27,480
their Fe
um I can tell you in my experience in

1051
01:31:24,440 --> 01:31:32,000
the past um similar what the CAO said we
generally used them for sort of

1052
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:36,080
mid-range grants in the you few hundred,
range and we were successful in a much

1053
01:31:34,199 --> 01:31:41,119
larger multi-million dollar grant that
we we did do inhouse with Consultants I

1054
01:31:38,840 --> 01:31:46,080
didn't use them so speaking to that it's
not exclusive you can decide when and

1055
01:31:43,639 --> 01:31:50,520
not to use them um and in terms of their
knowledge you do work closely with them

1056
01:31:48,679 --> 01:31:56,119
um so they do have an intimate knowledge
of what we're working on on and what we

1057
01:31:52,760 --> 01:32:00,199
need to do and I think not to speak
specifically to them but one of the main

1058
01:31:58,000 --> 01:32:05,000
advantages there there is very much an
art to Grant application writing and

1059
01:32:03,280 --> 01:32:09,600
some of these programs it's very
competitive and they they know how to

1060
01:32:07,840 --> 01:32:13,600
write these reports and they're not
going to spend they spend a lot of time

1061
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:17,840
and resources and staff they have about
50 staff across the country working full

1062
01:32:15,880 --> 01:32:23,040
time on that so they're not putting that
in without the hope of securing us the

1063
01:32:20,840 --> 01:32:26,360
grants and so they they really do put
into that and there really is an in art

1064
01:32:24,760 --> 01:32:30,520
to those
applications okay Deputy Mayor fod and

1065
01:32:28,480 --> 01:32:35,400
then councilor Jameson thank you worship
through you just a few comments um I

1066
01:32:33,639 --> 01:32:39,040
wouldn't expect our staff to be any
different than they are day-to-day now

1067
01:32:37,320 --> 01:32:42,199
if there's a grant coming through and
they see it they're going to jump on it

1068
01:32:40,679 --> 01:32:47,880
make sure that somebody knows now they
got a place to point to if they wish and

1069
01:32:45,960 --> 01:32:52,639
I think it's been clarified by the co
Grant match is Success driven we don't

1070
01:32:50,440 --> 01:32:57,400
pay them unless they are successful in
gaining a grant for us and the councelor

1071
01:32:55,239 --> 01:33:01,360
locky's point I'd be more surprised if
there wasn't if they're working with

1072
01:32:59,400 --> 01:33:05,600
even 100 municipalities in the province
I'd be more surprised they aren't

1073
01:33:02,480 --> 01:33:10,239
representing 50 on a on a financial
application to go in uh I don't think

1074
01:33:08,199 --> 01:33:15,719
it's any surprise to a municipality that
we wouldn't be alone in an application

1075
01:33:12,119 --> 01:33:18,800
bid but uh these monies that are put out
there they're put out there just for

1076
01:33:16,800 --> 01:33:24,159
that purpose they're they're for one and
all if you

1077
01:33:20,440 --> 01:33:28,320
qualify um I would like to see as a
small fish representation I would like

1078
01:33:26,600 --> 01:33:33,840
to see just how many small fish they can
find that uh I don't think uh I'm not a

1079
01:33:30,920 --> 01:33:37,760
fisherman but uh for those that do uh
I'm sure you're not looking for the

1080
01:33:35,000 --> 01:33:41,080
Manos but if you uh you know you go to
the right restaurant they're available

1081
01:33:39,360 --> 01:33:49,880
thank
you councelor Jameson just to Echo um

1082
01:33:45,880 --> 01:33:55,239
the treasures comment about the art of
grant writing it's also a science it's

1083
01:33:51,800 --> 01:33:59,159
so its own way too um and I'm not so far
out of my old life that I know that

1084
01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:05,679
you're going to get a million bucks
you're going to spend 100,000 at

1085
01:34:01,560 --> 01:34:11,880
least um that's just the way it works so
I would be inclined i i i i would

1086
01:34:09,440 --> 01:34:17,440
support this but I would be inclined to
encourage staff to go after the big

1087
01:34:14,239 --> 01:34:22,239
stuff and leave the little stuff and
start to work some of that because to

1088
01:34:19,600 --> 01:34:28,199
counselor lackey's point
um we may have the information but we

1089
01:34:25,159 --> 01:34:33,440
just don't have the the time the energy
and and and and the bodies to try to

1090
01:34:31,239 --> 01:34:38,960
generate these things in a in a in a
robust way so I would support this but I

1091
01:34:36,239 --> 01:34:44,159
would encourage staff to do two things
one stick with the big stuff and two to

1092
01:34:42,280 --> 01:34:49,920
counselor grell's point I think it's
very important to uh report to us

1093
01:34:46,880 --> 01:34:56,119
periodically on how it's really going
even if that is in some Nature has to be

1094
01:34:53,040 --> 01:35:00,639
in camera because of some of the the
wrinkles in these grant writing this

1095
01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:04,560
grant writing business but I I do think
the

1096
01:35:01,440 --> 01:35:08,840
accountability through the process is as
important as anything else we do with

1097
01:35:06,719 --> 01:35:12,960
respect to building a fire station or
whatever else get some money for the

1098
01:35:10,679 --> 01:35:18,199
fire station and then councelor Grill
will forgive me so that is my point of

1099
01:35:15,239 --> 01:35:23,040
view in this thank you councilor kelman
do you have anything to add to

1100
01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:28,639
this thank you worship no I don't I ask
my questions ahead of time thank you

1101
01:35:25,000 --> 01:35:35,320
okay so um I don't have a deferral on
the floor at this point um if you wanted

1102
01:35:32,679 --> 01:35:39,280
to put it Forward you're welcome to um
otherwise I'm going to call the question

1103
01:35:36,880 --> 01:35:39,280
as it's

1104
01:35:47,679 --> 01:35:54,600
written
yes do you have your mark m microphone

1105
01:35:51,760 --> 01:35:58,960
on sorry nobody do you you worship yes
just to know what the Horseshoe thinks

1106
01:35:56,760 --> 01:36:04,719
here yes let's put the motion out there
for defer and then Council can make its

1107
01:36:00,800 --> 01:36:09,239
decision okay so the motion to
defer to the March

1108
01:36:15,440 --> 01:36:18,440
meeting

1109
01:36:18,840 --> 01:36:23,320
meeting with further par

1110
01:36:25,880 --> 01:36:29,600
thresholds sorry further

1111
01:36:30,960 --> 01:36:40,040
thresholds or
grants thanks for writing that included

1112
01:36:37,320 --> 01:36:45,440
sorry thank you for your patience so the
motion comes forward from uh Council

1113
01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:52,119
gerell to defer this to the March
meeting uh March 24 meeting with further

1114
01:36:48,199 --> 01:36:55,760
thresholds for Grants to be included or
or um

1115
01:36:57,280 --> 01:37:04,760
excluded councilor jamus just are you I
don't have a second or for the deor yet

1116
01:37:01,960 --> 01:37:10,199
okay sorry procedure procedure procedure
I'm just the wording I I thought the

1117
01:37:07,400 --> 01:37:16,960
issue of reporting is it thresholds yes
I get that but what about uh the an

1118
01:37:13,480 --> 01:37:23,080
aspect of the report back to us in that
deferral motion so that when staff comes

1119
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:28,320
back we have not only some idea about
thresholds but also the accountability

1120
01:37:26,280 --> 01:37:33,360
structure is kind of what I'm going for
there to to keep with the

1121
01:37:36,080 --> 01:37:44,040
conversation okay so I've added on to
your deferral I don't have a seconder

1122
01:37:41,119 --> 01:37:49,520
yet so it's not complete that's right so
the the motion to defer is put on the

1123
01:37:46,280 --> 01:37:54,480
floor by councilor gr back ended by
councelor Jameson to defer to the March

1124
01:37:52,199 --> 01:37:57,920
2024 meeting with further thresholds for
Grants to be included or excluded and an

1125
01:37:56,440 --> 01:38:02,119
accountability
structure and I think that the staff has

1126
01:38:00,920 --> 01:38:09,960
heard the discussion around the
Horseshoe that you can def you are you

1127
01:38:05,679 --> 01:38:15,400
understand what um no actually I don't
so are you looking for a a dollar

1128
01:38:13,080 --> 01:38:20,400
amount for Grants to be included and
excluded so anything under say pick a

1129
01:38:18,199 --> 01:38:24,400
number anything under a half a million
dollar Grant just as we use match

1130
01:38:23,159 --> 01:38:30,199
anything
over put a number to it sure look at the

1131
01:38:27,480 --> 01:38:36,679
procurement policies you know certain
departments can go certain numbers up to

1132
01:38:32,719 --> 01:38:41,639
a threshold It just strikes me I don't
want to see counsil pardon me I don't

1133
01:38:39,719 --> 01:38:46,080
want to see staff just arbitrarily going
yeah we're going to push that toward um

1134
01:38:43,880 --> 01:38:51,639
grant grant master or whatever they're
called you know I would prefer that um

1135
01:38:49,639 --> 01:38:57,560
it it be adjudicated by
by yourself and others but I'd like to

1136
01:38:54,159 --> 01:39:02,920
be kept up to speed on it so yes dollar
value wouldn't be bad

1137
01:39:00,119 --> 01:39:05,840
um I don't know what the other criteria
would be and the accountability

1138
01:39:04,440 --> 01:39:11,639
structure you're speaking to councelor
Jameson is in regards

1139
01:39:08,360 --> 01:39:15,880
to what
specifically yeah please use your

1140
01:39:13,800 --> 01:39:20,679
microphone well I'm sort of riffing on
on councelor gu's comment about you know

1141
01:39:19,199 --> 01:39:24,560
we got to see it as it goes there are
things that we've applied for in the

1142
01:39:22,080 --> 01:39:29,360
past or haven't applied for and maybe we
would apply for so it's been a little

1143
01:39:25,960 --> 01:39:35,639
vague I think that was his point so if
we are going to enter into any kind of

1144
01:39:32,760 --> 01:39:42,880
um uh Grant
opportunity that we are looking for

1145
01:39:39,199 --> 01:39:49,199
periodic um and tangible reports on how
it's going or or if it's done and we

1146
01:39:46,040 --> 01:39:53,440
didn't get it in a timely manner not to
just pick it up at the end of the year

1147
01:39:51,239 --> 01:40:01,199
when we know we didn't get it and away
we go so that's what I'm asking really

1148
01:39:57,199 --> 01:40:07,639
so could we just thinking another excuse
me another idea if we could just come up

1149
01:40:04,400 --> 01:40:13,520
with the rationale on why we are going
to use them on a given ad hoc basis in

1150
01:40:11,239 --> 01:40:18,840
other words so then you want us to come
to you every time we're going to use

1151
01:40:15,400 --> 01:40:23,000
them for what size of then no and then
throw in a a threshold a dollar you're

1152
01:40:21,400 --> 01:40:26,520
saying for anything over a certain
dollar amount then it would come back

1153
01:40:24,520 --> 01:40:30,760
just a rationale you know so we can go
yeah that sounds information report then

1154
01:40:28,560 --> 01:40:38,719
yep yeah um make
it okay so leave it leave me for two

1155
01:40:36,119 --> 01:40:43,520
seconds so Council guella has put
forward a motion to defer to the March

1156
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:47,080
2024 meeting with further thresholds for
Grants to be included or excluded and an

1157
01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:51,920
accountability
structure um so this so I need a

1158
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:55,880
seconder for for this deferral before it
can be

1159
01:40:53,080 --> 01:41:02,400
discussed Council lacking okay go ahead
uh Mr CIO so um your worship thank you

1160
01:40:59,719 --> 01:41:09,400
um I'm wondering if we can't simply
amend the main motion to add in and we

1161
01:41:07,679 --> 01:41:15,679
can pick a number
tonight for a grant and that staff will

1162
01:41:13,159 --> 01:41:20,520
report to council accordingly and as as
things are applied for yeah and then we

1163
01:41:17,119 --> 01:41:26,400
can move forward with this okay so so
that's piece of information that CAO has

1164
01:41:22,840 --> 01:41:32,440
added that we could put into the main
motion but the deferral is on on the

1165
01:41:28,880 --> 01:41:37,520
table right now so rather than waiting a
month to come back with that the CAO is

1166
01:41:35,639 --> 01:41:44,360
offering that we could amend the main
motion

1167
01:41:39,080 --> 01:41:44,360
tonight so that's on the table and but

1168
01:41:47,440 --> 01:41:53,880
I'm we need to vote on we have to we
can't withdraw it so it's on the table

1169
01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:58,480
we have to just vote it down and then we
go back to the main motion so any

1170
01:41:56,800 --> 01:42:02,880
further discussion on the
deferral seeing none I'll call the

1171
01:42:01,080 --> 01:42:07,599
question all those in favor of
deferring all those

1172
01:42:05,080 --> 01:42:14,000
opposed okay motion is
defeated okay so we're back to the main

1173
01:42:11,119 --> 01:42:18,599
motion and the main motion is okay this
is procedure this is the fun stuff it's

1174
01:42:16,440 --> 01:42:23,040
it's fun
stuff so the main motion read and I'm

1175
01:42:21,320 --> 01:42:28,239
just going to read that and then we can
talk about amending it based on some of

1176
01:42:26,360 --> 01:42:31,080
the previous conversations the council
approved the township entering into an

1177
01:42:29,679 --> 01:42:34,960
agreement with Grant match court for
Grant application services for a period

1178
01:42:33,119 --> 01:42:39,560
of two years plus automatic annual
renewals the council authorizes the

1179
01:42:37,239 --> 01:42:44,159
chief administrative officer officer to
execute the agreement on behalf of the

1180
01:42:41,119 --> 01:42:49,880
township so that motion was moved by
counselor cman second by Council Grell

1181
01:42:47,360 --> 01:42:54,040
so there would need to be an amendment
based on threshold old based on the

1182
01:42:52,119 --> 01:42:58,760
current or based on the previous
discussion based on threshold and

1183
01:42:56,159 --> 01:43:03,320
expectation of reporting so if anybody
wants to make a suggestion because I'm

1184
01:43:00,679 --> 01:43:09,360
at a loss on how to write this councelor
Jameson go ahead could define threshold

1185
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:15,239
with respect to the value of the grant
or the complexity of the project because

1186
01:43:12,560 --> 01:43:21,320
the two can be mutually exclusive I'm
sorry I'm ruin your evening you're fine

1187
01:43:18,199 --> 01:43:26,400
me okay but just that that is a point
because you know that's a point I mean

1188
01:43:24,920 --> 01:43:32,080
the whole business may have changed in
the last 10 years because I've been out

1189
01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:38,440
of it but complex issues sometimes
require the Consultants with some very

1190
01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:44,560
deep knowledge as oppos just a dollar
value the the two so threshold would

1191
01:43:41,480 --> 01:43:49,760
need a definition thank you okay okay
counc La you had your hand up thank you

1192
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:53,040
worshiping through you how many um Grant
applications

1193
01:43:51,480 --> 01:44:02,119
uh per year would
we typically go after an average two

1194
01:43:58,119 --> 01:44:06,119
three Dave you have any Phil Phil's only
been with us not quite a year so I hate

1195
01:44:04,760 --> 01:44:11,719
to put him on the spot but the last
couple of years it's been one or two a

1196
01:44:09,080 --> 01:44:16,159
year and previously we were I think
around the same

1197
01:44:13,119 --> 01:44:19,840
threshold even for large capital
projects yeah and your previous

1198
01:44:18,119 --> 01:44:22,599
municipality how many would you go after
in a year

1199
01:44:23,159 --> 01:44:30,599
really and would you were you always
using Grant match uh no definitely not

1200
01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:36,119
um we used them for a few um and they
were more in the Realms of things that

1201
01:44:32,119 --> 01:44:38,679
we had less um experience with um I know
we used them for an active

1202
01:44:37,080 --> 01:44:44,199
Transportation Grant around getting
grants for uh trails and stuff which was

1203
01:44:41,159 --> 01:44:49,199
kind of a new thing um but I would also
say the

1204
01:44:46,719 --> 01:44:54,239
uh it's it's not the greatest comparison
due to the uh level Staffing involved

1205
01:44:51,719 --> 01:45:00,320
I'll just leave it at that okay so to
answer my question probably a

1206
01:44:56,400 --> 01:45:03,280
handful yes maybe at best I'm finding it
hard to believe that we can't do that

1207
01:45:01,760 --> 01:45:09,360
inhouse and if there's one that's
complicated or very large uh amount very

1208
01:45:07,440 --> 01:45:15,840
important Grant I think it was already
mentioned that we already have in the

1209
01:45:11,199 --> 01:45:23,199
past used uh consultant based on uh you
know one application specifically um I

1210
01:45:20,000 --> 01:45:29,159
don't see why we can't do that and avoid
this whole thing for for that many I I I

1211
01:45:27,599 --> 01:45:33,159
can sense around the table we're looking
at well it's staff time and you know

1212
01:45:31,320 --> 01:45:38,360
these people are good at it I I see all
the all the right things on there but

1213
01:45:34,760 --> 01:45:45,239
for three or four um Grant
applications um I'm pretty sure we have

1214
01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:52,360
some expertise here in the building
um I think based on sorry I didn't mean

1215
01:45:48,560 --> 01:45:58,199
to cut you off there yeah okay um I
think to the point that's been made with

1216
01:45:55,760 --> 01:46:04,239
the main motion still on the floor here
that Grant rating is an art as well as a

1217
01:46:00,840 --> 01:46:09,480
science to take councelor Jameson's
Point what I'm hearing from staff based

1218
01:46:07,159 --> 01:46:14,040
on this report is that they wish they
had the opportunity and the time and the

1219
01:46:11,639 --> 01:46:19,119
expertise to apply for these grants more
of these grants but don't feel they have

1220
01:46:17,000 --> 01:46:24,599
either the skill set and that's not to
demean our St

1221
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:29,960
or the time or or the attention that is
required to apply for some of these

1222
01:46:27,199 --> 01:46:35,800
grants so would that be a fair statement
Mr

1223
01:46:31,560 --> 01:46:39,800
CIO I think so yes okay so the motion
that's on the

1224
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:43,679
floor is for Grant application services
for a period of two years plus automatic

1225
01:46:41,719 --> 01:46:47,159
annual renewals and that Council
authorizes the chief administrative

1226
01:46:45,599 --> 01:46:50,480
officer to execute the agreement on
behalf of the

1227
01:46:48,239 --> 01:46:55,639
township is there an option for a one on
your

1228
01:46:51,760 --> 01:47:01,760
term I'm I'm asking the question
because or is it their minimum threshold

1229
01:46:58,480 --> 01:47:01,760
two two years with Grant

1230
01:47:02,760 --> 01:47:09,599
match nobody has the answer that's a
great question uh they provided us their

1231
01:47:08,119 --> 01:47:15,400
their agreement that they provide to all
municipalities and it was a standard

1232
01:47:11,040 --> 01:47:21,480
boilerplate two-year agreement okay so
sorry but I I think you'll find that

1233
01:47:19,000 --> 01:47:26,560
because of a minimum of two years gives
them the Running Room they need to

1234
01:47:24,000 --> 01:47:31,119
actually get the work done because you
know one year and here's our million

1235
01:47:28,480 --> 01:47:36,639
dollar it just doesn't happen just
doesn't happen Okay so Mr CEO I'll

1236
01:47:34,679 --> 01:47:39,560
recognize you I thank you you worship
through you I'm not surprised by a

1237
01:47:37,840 --> 01:47:44,599
two-year agreement because there is
often a lot of upfront investment on the

1238
01:47:42,520 --> 01:47:50,320
part of a vendor to understand the
township and this gives them a horizon

1239
01:47:47,639 --> 01:47:55,480
to recoup that cost over the cost of the
term of the agreement so i' I've seen it

1240
01:47:52,560 --> 01:48:00,800
before in lots of agreements okay great
explanation so we're still back to the

1241
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:04,280
main motion uh Deputy Mayor fod go ahead
thank you worship just a comment I think

1242
01:48:02,639 --> 01:48:08,320
the reason we're only getting one or two
applications a year tells me we're

1243
01:48:06,000 --> 01:48:12,480
missing a number them and if we throw
the small net out there let them throw

1244
01:48:10,119 --> 01:48:18,760
it out see what they got to show
us

1245
01:48:14,440 --> 01:48:24,679
okay um I'll let the C in um thank you
worship um through you I have some

1246
01:48:21,159 --> 01:48:30,719
proposed wording if you would like um
propo propose away and we'll see what

1247
01:48:27,560 --> 01:48:35,480
see what comes out of this so uh I think
we could tack on

1248
01:48:32,520 --> 01:48:40,280
to the resolution it would read as you
have read it previously and then there

1249
01:48:37,719 --> 01:48:44,520
would be a further and that staff may
engage Grant match for Grant

1250
01:48:42,599 --> 01:48:50,960
applications uh
$500,000 and under without Council

1251
01:48:47,239 --> 01:48:54,520
approval and for Grants over 500,000
with Council approval one question I

1252
01:48:53,360 --> 01:49:02,000
have for
staff is that a reasonable

1253
01:48:58,480 --> 01:49:05,920
number um most grants that we apply for
will will require Council resolution

1254
01:49:03,920 --> 01:49:10,480
anyways supporting that we are applying
for the grant so you could take off the

1255
01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:15,400
but I think there is that that Safety
Net in in addition to what you're

1256
01:49:12,719 --> 01:49:19,560
proposing so in which case sorry to
interject but you're basically saying

1257
01:49:17,560 --> 01:49:22,480
that it doesn't matter even if they want
to go for with a grant they're going to

1258
01:49:21,000 --> 01:49:26,440
have to come and have a council
resolution which negates all of our

1259
01:49:24,239 --> 01:49:32,599
conversations anyway that is correct
okay so how does council feel about that

1260
01:49:28,920 --> 01:49:36,920
now is that fine so no so we have no
upfront costs but they don't go and

1261
01:49:34,520 --> 01:49:41,880
apply for a grant unless they have a
council resolution and support of said

1262
01:49:38,520 --> 01:49:47,080
Grant that's part of the
package okay now that we've done that

1263
01:49:45,119 --> 01:49:52,080
enough is is everybody comfortable
enough to call the question as it is

1264
01:49:50,320 --> 01:49:55,480
okay I'm going to call a question all
those in favor of the motion at hand as

1265
01:49:53,840 --> 01:50:00,440
written all those
opposed wanted okay it is carried thank

1266
01:49:58,639 --> 01:50:05,520
you very
much is everybody still holding tight

1267
01:50:03,159 --> 01:50:09,280
here or do we need a bio
break we only have a couple more left I

1268
01:50:07,880 --> 01:50:13,679
just didn't want to leave anybody
hanging in

1269
01:50:10,520 --> 01:50:20,560
case their leg was starting to shake so
um okay so

1270
01:50:16,400 --> 01:50:27,400
the next item is the
20.6 sorry I just want to make sure 20.6

1271
01:50:24,480 --> 01:50:32,000
Corporate Services report sr- 01524
single Source procurement website update

1272
01:50:29,679 --> 01:50:37,280
and refresh Mo motion comes forward from
Council kelman supported by councelor

1273
01:50:34,560 --> 01:50:41,560
Lackey that Council authorized staff to
enter a contract with gdh digital on a

1274
01:50:40,000 --> 01:50:45,840
single Source basis for the provision of
a Township website update and refresh

1275
01:50:43,639 --> 01:50:50,880
project discussion on the
motion go ahead Council kman thank you

1276
01:50:48,440 --> 01:50:54,840
your worship and for you um I would just
like to say I I think this is really

1277
01:50:52,880 --> 01:51:00,560
important I think our website really
does need some updating and even going

1278
01:50:57,639 --> 01:51:04,000
back to Citywide I think the more uh
userfriendly customer friendly our

1279
01:51:02,480 --> 01:51:09,280
website can be and the more services
that we can offer online the better and

1280
01:51:07,159 --> 01:51:14,920
even jumping ahead you know looking at
selling dump tags online or something

1281
01:51:11,639 --> 01:51:19,560
like that so um I think this is a very
good idea awesome okay go ahead

1282
01:51:17,520 --> 01:51:22,840
counselor maybe count in the deput mayor
f

1283
01:51:20,639 --> 01:51:25,880
thank you Madame mayor through you since
I've sat at this table I've complained

1284
01:51:24,320 --> 01:51:30,599
about this website I'm glad to see
something happening thanks deput mayor

1285
01:51:28,320 --> 01:51:35,920
phony thank you worship through you I
agree with councelor cman and counselor

1286
01:51:33,119 --> 01:51:39,560
maybe um I can't help but think to tie
in to our Visitor Center how many

1287
01:51:37,760 --> 01:51:44,639
visitors go on to our website and then
just shut the phone off and take the

1288
01:51:41,520 --> 01:51:48,880
recommended advice thank you any further
comments seeing none I'll call the

1289
01:51:46,599 --> 01:51:55,400
question all those in favor all those
opposed and it's carried I too am happy

1290
01:51:52,599 --> 01:52:01,199
to hear of a
refresh um next item councilor kelman

1291
01:51:58,040 --> 01:52:07,560
vacant lands at 405 Lind Hurst Road move
oh sorry I skipped one sr- 01324

1292
01:52:05,520 --> 01:52:11,159
amendments to the cemetery Grant policy
moved by councelor kelman seconded by

1293
01:52:09,239 --> 01:52:15,880
councelor Lackey that Council Grant
three readings and final passage to

1294
01:52:12,760 --> 01:52:21,520
bylaw number 24-8 being a byw to amend
byw number 23- 023 to establish a

1295
01:52:19,360 --> 01:52:24,840
cemetery Grant policy for the township
of leads in the Thousand Islands

1296
01:52:22,960 --> 01:52:29,679
discussion on this motion go ahead
Council mayy and thank you Madame mayor

1297
01:52:26,840 --> 01:52:35,760
my question was how many are actually um
taking advantage of this grant money

1298
01:52:32,480 --> 01:52:41,199
now through your worship so last year we
received a total of five

1299
01:52:38,320 --> 01:52:45,800
applications um we also determined that
two of the five applications did not

1300
01:52:42,719 --> 01:52:50,880
meet the eligibility criteria uh we have
received one application so far um so

1301
01:52:49,159 --> 01:52:56,920
I'm anticipating that will'll receive a
little bit more this year okay any

1302
01:52:53,639 --> 01:53:04,960
further comments or questions sing n I'm
going to call the question unless go

1303
01:53:00,760 --> 01:53:12,360
ahead Council uh just uh regarding the
um I guess accounting uh for the monies

1304
01:53:07,800 --> 01:53:17,199
you receive I.E if you were um a very
small group and I mean a couple of

1305
01:53:14,280 --> 01:53:21,679
people looking after some cutting of
grass and

1306
01:53:18,760 --> 01:53:26,800
whatnot what kind of accounting are we
looking for um sophisticated

1307
01:53:25,199 --> 01:53:32,480
spreadsheets or are we looking except
for bank account a separate bank account

1308
01:53:29,840 --> 01:53:39,800
and uh and we're just looking for gas
receipts and so on that kind of thing

1309
01:53:36,159 --> 01:53:44,960
yes very very basic very basic stuff
okay thank you any further chomas or

1310
01:53:42,840 --> 01:53:50,719
question I will call the question all
those in favor all those opposed and

1311
01:53:47,719 --> 01:53:56,480
it's carried thank you
now I'm on to 20.8 councelor kelman

1312
01:53:52,800 --> 01:53:56,480
vacant lands at 405

1313
01:53:58,480 --> 01:54:06,800
lters
apologize um councelor kelman vacant

1314
01:54:03,800 --> 01:54:10,920
lands at 405 Lind Hurst
Road uh moved by Council kelman seconded

1315
01:54:09,280 --> 01:54:16,239
by Council Jameson whereas the township
owns vacant lands located at 405 linter

1316
01:54:13,520 --> 01:54:19,480
Road lindur and where which is also
known as the property and whereas it

1317
01:54:17,920 --> 01:54:23,719
would assist Council to have information
about the property and considerations to

1318
01:54:21,599 --> 01:54:28,360
be taken into account in respect of
potential public uses of the property

1319
01:54:26,679 --> 01:54:32,599
and now therefore be it resolved that
Council hereby directs staff to bring

1320
01:54:29,880 --> 01:54:36,239
forward a report at the March 18th 2024
council meeting with it about the

1321
01:54:34,440 --> 01:54:41,960
property and matters that should be
taken into consideration prior to any

1322
01:54:38,040 --> 01:54:46,880
future use of the Space by the public so
thank you councelor kelman and Council

1323
01:54:43,920 --> 01:54:50,239
Jameson uh motion is on the floor any
discussion go ahead Council or Deputy

1324
01:54:49,159 --> 01:54:54,199
Mayor fro
thank you worship uh through you uh my

1325
01:54:52,679 --> 01:54:58,199
only question when I read this do the
staff have time to get this ready by

1326
01:54:55,760 --> 01:55:04,719
March 18th I believe they've already
been working on some data uh collection

1327
01:55:00,639 --> 01:55:04,719
already C uh director

1328
01:55:08,880 --> 01:55:15,360
holiday yes thank you we've had a
conversation with our environmental

1329
01:55:12,880 --> 01:55:21,840
consultant about this this property and
what the requirements would be um for

1330
01:55:18,199 --> 01:55:25,760
public use um there are some some pretty
uh uh there there's a lot of

1331
01:55:23,840 --> 01:55:30,360
requirements for it to be transferred to
a public use we have to to make sure

1332
01:55:28,159 --> 01:55:35,679
that that it meets certain thresholds
and that uh we don't have any any uh

1333
01:55:33,719 --> 01:55:43,639
anything leaving the site as an example
or exposure um so it does require um you

1334
01:55:40,679 --> 01:55:48,480
know a phase one ECA to start and then
it it does require a phase two following

1335
01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:52,679
that and and everything subsequent
thereafter um so we're going to gather

1336
01:55:50,440 --> 01:55:56,480
some more data on that and some some
Associated costs and be able to provide

1337
01:55:54,320 --> 01:56:01,199
some information back so I don't think
it's an onerous process but it's already

1338
01:55:58,520 --> 01:56:06,599
begun okay any further comments or
questions about the motion that's at

1339
01:56:03,639 --> 01:56:11,320
hand okay call a question all those in
favor all those opposed it's carried we

1340
01:56:09,560 --> 01:56:15,840
look forward to that report at the March
18th

1341
01:56:13,360 --> 01:56:19,760
meeting next item councelor Jameson
garbage tag distribution War Two moved

1342
01:56:17,960 --> 01:56:23,239
by councelor Jameson seconded by
counselor Lackey whereas encouraging

1343
01:56:21,599 --> 01:56:27,199
sound environmental practice is of
concern to all residents in the priority

1344
01:56:25,040 --> 01:56:29,920
and a priority in the township whereas
the township has canceled the

1345
01:56:28,320 --> 01:56:33,920
distribution of garbage tags to the
selected businesses in War I to sell to

1346
01:56:31,840 --> 01:56:38,000
Residents without an alternative plan to
make the tags available to Residents in

1347
01:56:35,760 --> 01:56:41,760
a convenient manner now therefore be it
resolved that the staff direct are be

1348
01:56:39,840 --> 01:56:45,040
directed to resume the tag distribution
practice as it was until council is

1349
01:56:43,800 --> 01:56:49,239
presented with a reasonable and
efficient option that ensure optimal

1350
01:56:47,040 --> 01:56:56,079
customer service so the Motions on the
floor any discussion Council Jameson go

1351
01:56:51,960 --> 01:57:03,639
ahead um I realize uh that there will be
some um push back with respect to my

1352
01:57:00,000 --> 01:57:08,599
comments um but this is what I'm hearing
I realize that staff is taken another

1353
01:57:06,840 --> 01:57:16,840
takes another point of view with respect
to my comments but residents don't um I

1354
01:57:13,960 --> 01:57:21,920
understand that this decision was made
in October I didn't know anything about

1355
01:57:19,800 --> 01:57:27,239
it if I missed a report on that I
apologize but it seems like in the last

1356
01:57:24,639 --> 01:57:33,119
two weeks uh getting in and out of the
post office has been an increased

1357
01:57:30,079 --> 01:57:39,159
challenge because people are given
information after the fact that may not

1358
01:57:35,560 --> 01:57:45,239
be accurate but little things like this
and it is it is petty but not irrelevant

1359
01:57:42,880 --> 01:57:50,639
so I hate to bring Petty and irrelevant
to the table but it is somewhat

1360
01:57:47,360 --> 01:57:55,599
irrelevant or not not it is not Petty
and it is not irrelevant to the extent

1361
01:57:52,960 --> 01:58:00,639
that you have a lot of people out there
with some information that may not be

1362
01:57:57,679 --> 01:58:08,239
correct but the bottom line is that it
does not seem that we are carrying on

1363
01:58:04,000 --> 01:58:14,320
with delivering these tags to certain
businesses as we have for some years and

1364
01:58:11,560 --> 01:58:20,119
are expecting the businesses to go and
get them or everybody up there in the

1365
01:58:16,920 --> 01:58:25,880
near North to come down to landown and I
know there's been a nice email about the

1366
01:58:23,079 --> 01:58:32,599
carbon footprint and everything else but
I just believe that it is sort of in

1367
01:58:29,040 --> 01:58:37,920
train with other Communications gaffs
I'll call them gaffs because that's the

1368
01:58:35,360 --> 01:58:44,520
plate way I look try to characterize
them in the last year that have left

1369
01:58:41,679 --> 01:58:49,920
counselors one not knowing and I think
of the parking signs going up Suddenly

1370
01:58:47,960 --> 01:58:55,440
and then we have a big public meeting
about it Dan and Rockport but we didn't

1371
01:58:52,440 --> 01:59:00,840
need to have that if there had been a
proper communication early in the game

1372
01:58:58,320 --> 01:59:08,719
about what that was about so this is as
much about finding myself personally and

1373
01:59:04,840 --> 01:59:14,000
I know others caught in this response to
Keys being changed or or fobs being

1374
01:59:11,599 --> 01:59:20,480
changed or this sort of thing and this
is my point that we really need to to

1375
01:59:18,639 --> 01:59:26,480
have a
Communications policy or process that

1376
01:59:24,280 --> 01:59:33,960
ensures that when something is going to
be changed we know about it one and two

1377
01:59:31,520 --> 01:59:37,960
um that there is an opportunity to
prepare

1378
01:59:35,040 --> 01:59:43,400
people in a serious way for the changes
that need to be made without it spending

1379
01:59:41,199 --> 01:59:48,239
an awful lot of time on the back nine
trying to catch up and that's really the

1380
01:59:46,000 --> 01:59:53,320
point of my motion I'd like to get back
to these businesses getting them I think

1381
01:59:50,800 --> 01:59:59,560
that as a result of our current
operations director I know staff are

1382
01:59:55,960 --> 02:00:03,440
periodically going to fix our buildings
which wasn't happening when we came on

1383
02:00:01,520 --> 02:00:07,360
Council and those are the good things
that have happened but when those people

1384
02:00:05,040 --> 02:00:13,199
are up there they may be the ones that
concer these things I mean I don't want

1385
02:00:09,560 --> 02:00:18,760
to get into the weeds but the point is
that people care about the tags in that

1386
02:00:16,320 --> 02:00:23,840
sense they care about the little stuff
they don't even notice the really good

1387
02:00:20,679 --> 02:00:30,560
things we do so this is the point of my
motion whatever the inaccuracies are I

1388
02:00:26,679 --> 02:00:36,599
stand buy it win or lose I'd like to see
the yellow tag program back in the

1389
02:00:33,920 --> 02:00:45,159
stores and this whole thing settled down
thank you okay comments um I'm going to

1390
02:00:40,760 --> 02:00:50,920
recognize coo and then Council C and
Council uh thank you worship uh I

1391
02:00:48,760 --> 02:00:57,960
appreciate appreciate your frustration
counselor um however I'm well I'm

1392
02:00:55,920 --> 02:01:03,840
offended that you would bring this
motion knowing that it's incorrect and

1393
02:01:00,800 --> 02:01:10,040
making these allegations to staff uh in
open Council especially when we've had a

1394
02:01:07,360 --> 02:01:14,840
conversation uh separately and you
understand the act the accuracy of

1395
02:01:12,440 --> 02:01:20,800
what's actually happening so to say
things like we've targeted select

1396
02:01:17,320 --> 02:01:27,719
businesses in world I is just
wrong this is Township wise the program

1397
02:01:24,159 --> 02:01:31,800
was Township wide and there's nothing
that I think this is just um pandering

1398
02:01:29,679 --> 02:01:35,320
to fueling the fire that the north
doesn't get anything and everything

1399
02:01:33,280 --> 02:01:39,360
radiates out of land staff and I don't
think that's helpful I think it's a

1400
02:01:37,040 --> 02:01:45,040
smack in the face to staff and I'm
personally I just find it

1401
02:01:41,639 --> 02:01:50,440
unacceptable um to to reference that
there isn't an alternative plan to make

1402
02:01:46,760 --> 02:01:53,960
tags available to Residents um um it
ignores the fact that there are still

1403
02:01:51,960 --> 02:01:58,719
two vendors in Lindhurst that are
selling tags uh there's still all the

1404
02:01:56,840 --> 02:02:03,960
venders in seles Bay that are selling
tags so no one in the in the north has

1405
02:02:01,599 --> 02:02:08,280
to come all the way down to lown to pick
up garbage tags nobody seems to be

1406
02:02:06,520 --> 02:02:14,119
interested in hearing that however
people want to complain and write emails

1407
02:02:11,199 --> 02:02:17,440
and make phone calls um lastly you're
saying that there wasn't an alternative

1408
02:02:15,760 --> 02:02:21,520
plan to make the tags available to
Residents um

1409
02:02:19,480 --> 02:02:27,760
we are in discussions with the library
as you know about having the branches uh

1410
02:02:24,679 --> 02:02:33,320
carry tags as they once did before and
the ca CEO of the library seems to be

1411
02:02:30,960 --> 02:02:38,320
pretty uh receptive to that it's a
fundraising opportunity for them and uh

1412
02:02:36,239 --> 02:02:43,800
so I don't see any reason why that can't
resume we as part of the website refresh

1413
02:02:41,360 --> 02:02:49,040
we will also have the online capacity
for people to order tags uh through the

1414
02:02:46,800 --> 02:02:54,360
website and pay for them and there'll be
mailed out to them so they don't have to

1415
02:02:50,679 --> 02:02:56,920
go anywhere to buy their taxs um what
was the other

1416
02:02:58,719 --> 02:03:09,199
thing ah staff time um I think there's a
problem uh trying to use unionized staff

1417
02:03:06,000 --> 02:03:14,360
for a non-unionized work so operations
people delivering bag tags uh to

1418
02:03:12,360 --> 02:03:19,440
businesses uh I don't think we'll fly
with our Union so that leaves office

1419
02:03:16,760 --> 02:03:25,320
people uh driving and it's not
that you do uh morning once a month and

1420
02:03:23,679 --> 02:03:31,560
circle around to all the vendors in the
township and drop off tags these come in

1421
02:03:27,800 --> 02:03:36,599
in ones onesies and teses where uh it
might be um Wings live bait would call

1422
02:03:34,679 --> 02:03:41,280
in and require things dropped off to
them one day and then the Ultramar and

1423
02:03:39,239 --> 02:03:46,440
celes Bay would require somebody to come
up again on a separate day as they run

1424
02:03:43,760 --> 02:03:51,360
out of stock so this isn't a a oneandone
thing it's a significant drain on staff

1425
02:03:48,679 --> 02:03:55,400
time time and as we keep getting punched
about well what are staff doing and all

1426
02:03:53,480 --> 02:04:02,840
that well we're trying to focus on core
stuff and dropping off tags to

1427
02:03:58,840 --> 02:04:06,559
businesses who are are uh pretty well
capable of coming by lands down once in

1428
02:04:04,760 --> 02:04:10,960
a while and picking up their supply
seems to be a a a solution of freeing up

1429
02:04:09,480 --> 02:04:15,840
some of Staff time to work on more
important matters um I think that's it I

1430
02:04:14,639 --> 02:04:22,639
think
I C Jameson go ahead

1431
02:04:19,840 --> 02:04:28,520
well you can be as offended as you
want but I don't recall ever seeing a

1432
02:04:25,639 --> 02:04:34,040
report of this detail in it if I missed
it I apologize but the bottom line for

1433
02:04:31,199 --> 02:04:38,800
me is with this and dealing with key
fobs and all the things that happen

1434
02:04:36,159 --> 02:04:44,239
because they need to happen it doesn't
take much in the communications world to

1435
02:04:41,719 --> 02:04:52,159
make sure the people that are going to
hear about this first and continuously

1436
02:04:47,719 --> 02:05:00,559
hear first I am not arguing with you on
what has transpired with respect to your

1437
02:04:56,320 --> 02:05:07,159
decision I am arguing about the failure
to communicate with us in a timely

1438
02:05:03,719 --> 02:05:13,079
manner so I can be offended too I'm
offended every time I go into the post

1439
02:05:09,199 --> 02:05:19,119
office and find myself defending a staff
I have tremendous respect for on things

1440
02:05:16,079 --> 02:05:24,199
I shouldn't have to it's too minor it's
too unnecessary so if you want to be

1441
02:05:21,360 --> 02:05:27,679
offended go ahead but the reality is we
need to clean up the commuion

1442
02:05:25,800 --> 02:05:32,040
communication side of what we're doing
here full

1443
02:05:28,760 --> 02:05:38,199
stop councelor or sorry CAO thank you
worship

1444
02:05:33,719 --> 02:05:38,199
so from a public

1445
02:05:39,079 --> 02:05:46,880
lens the resellers the the the only
process changed was affecting the

1446
02:05:43,599 --> 02:05:50,679
resellers on how they get their tickets
there shouldn't be any impact on the

1447
02:05:48,280 --> 02:05:50,679
public

1448
02:05:50,840 --> 02:05:58,480
so is this what council wants us to do
do you want us to report to you every

1449
02:05:56,159 --> 02:06:02,159
time we are making some change that
shouldn't have any impact to the public

1450
02:06:00,800 --> 02:06:04,400
on the off chance that you're going to
get an

1451
02:06:04,440 --> 02:06:12,760
email your
worship yes simply because there are too

1452
02:06:10,199 --> 02:06:20,440
many of these things happen not because
they shouldn't happen but because the

1453
02:06:15,440 --> 02:06:26,679
few minutes it takes to issue us an
understanding of what's going on is a

1454
02:06:23,239 --> 02:06:32,000
lot less time than it takes as we're
sitting here this is time being wasted

1455
02:06:29,599 --> 02:06:38,400
as we're as we're trying to deal with
other things that really count time gets

1456
02:06:34,920 --> 02:06:43,000
wasted so yes we really need to know
these things because it's the little

1457
02:06:41,320 --> 02:06:48,199
things that
drive constituents nuts if you try to

1458
02:06:45,840 --> 02:06:54,360
explain the tax system or the rose
repair and all that kind of thing it's

1459
02:06:50,960 --> 02:06:59,159
just over their heads we need to know
these smaller things because it allows

1460
02:06:57,119 --> 02:07:05,360
us to continue the work we're doing to
support staff so yes very simply we need

1461
02:07:02,400 --> 02:07:13,000
to know in
advance so I have other speakers on this

1462
02:07:09,119 --> 02:07:17,639
if they wish to weigh in before um I
make a suggestion uh I have counselor

1463
02:07:15,559 --> 02:07:21,559
kelman and councelor gell you don't want
to add anything more Council gr Council

1464
02:07:19,320 --> 02:07:24,440
K go ahead uh thank you your worship and
for you I just had a question for the

1465
02:07:23,040 --> 02:07:29,800
director of
operations and perhaps uh Phil as well I

1466
02:07:27,360 --> 02:07:36,239
don't how far out are we on being able
to sell tags at the landfill sites

1467
02:07:33,040 --> 02:07:41,840
because if we could do that that could
and I I think selling them online is the

1468
02:07:38,920 --> 02:07:45,760
best the best other solution but if we
could sell them at the landfill sites we

1469
02:07:43,960 --> 02:07:50,119
wouldn't have to sell them anywhere
else uh I might direct that to the

1470
02:07:48,520 --> 02:07:55,800
Treasurer because of the logistics
involved with that the operation staff

1471
02:07:52,440 --> 02:08:01,360
obviously would um but I would
hear you your worship uh not to speak

1472
02:07:58,480 --> 02:08:05,599
for the landfill operations but uh there
would be some cash handling concerns my

1473
02:08:03,440 --> 02:08:11,040
understanding is there's not secure
on-site premises to be holding various

1474
02:08:08,239 --> 02:08:16,360
volumes of cash um in my experience in
the past um you could look at possibly I

1475
02:08:14,599 --> 02:08:19,480
I don't know I'd have to talk to it but
in my experience in the past we've had

1476
02:08:17,639 --> 02:08:24,000
landfills that did have were able to
take debit and credit to kind of keep

1477
02:08:21,000 --> 02:08:27,440
cash out but uh my understanding is
right now there isn't a secure place to

1478
02:08:25,559 --> 02:08:31,280
keep cash on hand and then you're also
getting into the logistics of doing cash

1479
02:08:29,440 --> 02:08:37,040
deposits from multiple locations around
the township which also presents its own

1480
02:08:33,880 --> 02:08:42,360
obstacles um I think the the better
approach as the CIO mentioned it is

1481
02:08:39,679 --> 02:08:46,920
definitely a focus of the website update
um we did do that uh in my previous

1482
02:08:45,079 --> 02:08:50,400
municipality and we had quite the uptake
on that people ordering it online line

1483
02:08:48,679 --> 02:08:56,199
if and we fulfilled it through through
the township office um

1484
02:08:53,880 --> 02:09:00,040
but yeah just it's more of a cash
handling procedure and we'd have to make

1485
02:08:57,520 --> 02:09:05,119
sure we put proper internal controls in
place but a tap situation might

1486
02:09:02,960 --> 02:09:11,119
alleviate all of that yes and I think it
would also be important not to be labor

1487
02:09:06,920 --> 02:09:15,840
the point um but it is a if the
operators at the landfill are then op

1488
02:09:13,239 --> 02:09:19,320
handling cash that is a is a change to
their their job descriptions and their

1489
02:09:17,440 --> 02:09:23,440
responsibilities and cash handling does
come with a certain level of

1490
02:09:21,400 --> 02:09:29,840
expectations so uh that would be a
consideration as well thank you for the

1491
02:09:26,280 --> 02:09:33,079
clarity any further questions no okay
Dave was sorry I'll just let did you

1492
02:09:31,520 --> 02:09:37,960
want to book anything book end did
anything there um I just wanted to add

1493
02:09:35,280 --> 02:09:43,840
that we currently don't have uh Power at
two of our our landfills we're working

1494
02:09:39,920 --> 02:09:49,400
on that um and the um the internet
service there is is non-existent as well

1495
02:09:46,280 --> 02:09:53,639
too so we wouldn't have that that access
currently for credit card and debit

1496
02:09:51,400 --> 02:09:58,400
payment fair enough okay Council gr go
ahead thank you through you your worship

1497
02:09:55,760 --> 02:10:03,679
again just a question because uh as I
was listening I was trying to get up to

1498
02:10:00,280 --> 02:10:09,800
speed as to what the issue is and is it
that some delivery from this building to

1499
02:10:07,000 --> 02:10:15,320
businesses was shifting and changing is
that what has precipitated you it used

1500
02:10:13,079 --> 02:10:22,960
to be that our staff would deliver uh
bag tags for sale to the merchant

1501
02:10:19,199 --> 02:10:27,559
and then um that became more of a
pingpong

1502
02:10:24,159 --> 02:10:33,800
match so it was decided I Believe by
staff well in October you said I think

1503
02:10:31,119 --> 02:10:37,880
so it was decided that that if the
merchants wanted to sell it they had to

1504
02:10:35,920 --> 02:10:42,400
come and pick them up here when they
were down in this area then the the

1505
02:10:40,199 --> 02:10:47,119
question Phil was pardon me the treasure
was getting to it chain of custody on

1506
02:10:44,960 --> 02:10:52,559
these things uh I appreciate pretty
tough when you can't handle cash so are

1507
02:10:50,679 --> 02:10:57,960
there means of chain of custody a
delivery service that is not staff that

1508
02:10:56,320 --> 02:11:04,040
sort of thing does that
work I mean this shouldn't be that

1509
02:11:00,239 --> 02:11:10,920
complicated frankly go ahead sure if we
want to expend taxpayer funds to

1510
02:11:08,000 --> 02:11:17,679
drive the business could pay for the
delivery that's what they want

1511
02:11:14,760 --> 02:11:21,199
Treasurer um just to provide counselor
three m

1512
02:11:18,679 --> 02:11:23,960
um so in October we put out a notice
saying that starting in the New Year we

1513
02:11:22,520 --> 02:11:28,800
gave them two months notice that we
could no longer provide delivery I think

1514
02:11:26,400 --> 02:11:33,040
it's important to note um our letters
and agreements with the businesses does

1515
02:11:30,679 --> 02:11:37,079
not State anywhere that the township is
responsible to deliver it to them yeah

1516
02:11:35,480 --> 02:11:42,079
um I think it's also important to note
they do receive a 10% margin on the bank

1517
02:11:39,400 --> 02:11:46,239
tax they sell um and I think it's also
important to know that we have 10

1518
02:11:43,960 --> 02:11:50,920
participating things and only one
distributor opted to know no longer

1519
02:11:48,639 --> 02:11:57,599
continue because of the change everybody
else has continued on

1520
02:11:54,159 --> 02:12:03,199
than okay so based on the on the
comments that were made I think the as

1521
02:12:00,599 --> 02:12:06,400
much as this issue coming forward as a
specific

1522
02:12:04,639 --> 02:12:12,960
issue
it it's one of other frustrations by

1523
02:12:10,880 --> 02:12:20,000
councelor Jameson is that
fair okay

1524
02:12:15,920 --> 02:12:26,159
so um
the motion is on the floor um which is

1525
02:12:23,040 --> 02:12:30,400
to resume the tag uh tag distribution
practice as it was before council is

1526
02:12:28,199 --> 02:12:34,800
presented until council is presented
with a reasonable and efficient option

1527
02:12:31,800 --> 02:12:40,840
to ensure optimal customer service so
the the motion either has to be accepted

1528
02:12:36,920 --> 02:12:46,159
or defeated but um but I think that it
it poses other questions that we can go

1529
02:12:43,599 --> 02:12:52,400
back to the CAO and the staff to have
further discussions with uh as what's

1530
02:12:49,119 --> 02:12:58,199
been discussed around the poro today so
councelor Jameson you want to let this

1531
02:12:53,760 --> 02:13:04,159
stand or how do you want to deal with
this I i' take it off the table but that

1532
02:13:01,840 --> 02:13:11,119
is not going to resolve the issue okay
no that's fair I just want the you know

1533
02:13:07,880 --> 02:13:15,960
I I I recognize that it has all kinds of
inaccuracies it is a reflection of

1534
02:13:13,559 --> 02:13:21,000
what's going on in the street and at a
certain point you have to just look at

1535
02:13:17,599 --> 02:13:26,679
that and say what are we doing wrong
that causes this and it comes back to me

1536
02:13:24,199 --> 02:13:31,840
it's the communications piece that just
isn't working so let's look at that

1537
02:13:29,840 --> 02:13:37,159
thank you so I'm going to read the
motion again and you can council members

1538
02:13:34,840 --> 02:13:40,920
can vote in favor or against as they
wish so the motion comes forward from

1539
02:13:39,040 --> 02:13:44,360
councel Jameson seconded by councel
Lackey whereas encouraging sound

1540
02:13:42,559 --> 02:13:47,920
environmental practice is a concern to
all residents and a priority for the

1541
02:13:46,280 --> 02:13:51,760
township and whereas the township is C
canell the distribution of garbage tags

1542
02:13:49,960 --> 02:13:55,320
to selected businesses in War I to sell
to Residents without an alternative plan

1543
02:13:53,400 --> 02:13:59,360
to make the tags available to Residents
in a convenient manner now therefore be

1544
02:13:57,559 --> 02:14:03,800
it resolved that staff is direct be
directed to resume tag distribution

1545
02:14:01,440 --> 02:14:07,199
practice as it was until council is
presented with reasonable and efficient

1546
02:14:05,520 --> 02:14:11,880
options that ensure optimal customer
service all those in favor of the motion

1547
02:14:09,840 --> 02:14:16,880
as
presented all those

1548
02:14:14,320 --> 02:14:20,400
opposed all those
abstaining

1549
02:14:18,800 --> 02:14:29,119
and it is
lost okay so uh we can have further

1550
02:14:25,480 --> 02:14:33,520
conversations about this offline um and
uh hopefully come to some sort of

1551
02:14:31,679 --> 02:14:38,199
resolution
any and then I'm up for the mayor's

1552
02:14:36,199 --> 02:14:45,239
update
so um Deputy fod councelor maybe uh

1553
02:14:42,920 --> 02:14:49,639
deputy mayor fod uh Council maybe and I
attended the Roma conference as was

1554
02:14:47,040 --> 02:14:53,800
previously discussed um in January 21st
to the 23rd so thank you councelor gr

1555
02:14:51,599 --> 02:14:58,679
for asking for some more specifics about
that I think it is valuable to share the

1556
02:14:55,760 --> 02:15:03,079
things that we have learned um cely Bay
frostfest was held from February 2nd to

1557
02:15:00,599 --> 02:15:08,440
the 5th and it was absolutely fantastic
so kudos to all the organizers in the

1558
02:15:05,520 --> 02:15:13,280
celes Bay Area the amount of children
families and the people that were in

1559
02:15:10,559 --> 02:15:18,079
attendance on the Friday nights uh I was
able to get up there was absolutely

1560
02:15:15,239 --> 02:15:24,679
fantastic uh one of the Main Stays
councelor Jameson if I'm correct Miss

1561
02:15:20,719 --> 02:15:30,400
Booker Mark she is retiring after 30
years of being a volunteer and that says

1562
02:15:27,599 --> 02:15:36,159
a lot about that Community um and we're
grateful to her and her steadfast nature

1563
02:15:33,599 --> 02:15:41,079
to make sure that this um event happens
every single year uh and she has passed

1564
02:15:38,239 --> 02:15:44,520
the torch and there are other members of
the community who are going to hopefully

1565
02:15:42,920 --> 02:15:48,880
ensure that this happens for another 30
years and we're very grateful for that

1566
02:15:47,000 --> 02:15:54,719
secondly was the Rockport Winter
Carnival that was held on February 7th

1567
02:15:51,119 --> 02:15:59,079
to the 11th um again a tremendous effort
and a wonderful day we were blessed with

1568
02:15:57,000 --> 02:16:03,599
crazy wonderful weather as we were up in
SE Le Bay um a little bit different

1569
02:16:01,599 --> 02:16:09,800
colder at night but Rockport was sunny
and beautiful on Saturday um nonetheless

1570
02:16:07,320 --> 02:16:14,920
lots of families and young both young
and old uh attending having a great time

1571
02:16:12,559 --> 02:16:19,079
together and again a fireworks display
at the barn at the Rockport Barn so

1572
02:16:17,199 --> 02:16:22,679
thank you to all the organizers and all
those who attended um to support such a

1573
02:16:21,239 --> 02:16:27,520
great Community
event Family Day is next Monday uh TTI

1574
02:16:25,760 --> 02:16:30,239
has a variety of programs for residents
and their families to take part in

1575
02:16:28,760 --> 02:16:35,120
please visit our website for the full
list of programs Heritage week is from

1576
02:16:32,880 --> 02:16:38,280
February 19th to February 25th and
provides a wonderful opportunity for

1577
02:16:36,639 --> 02:16:42,319
individuals and communities to reflect
on their contributions to Ontario how

1578
02:16:40,559 --> 02:16:47,120
Heritage is conserved promoted and
commemorated and how they might shape

1579
02:16:44,000 --> 02:16:51,920
the future nonprofit appreciation week
is from February 12th to the 16th and it

1580
02:16:49,399 --> 02:16:56,040
celebrates the vital role of nonprofits
and their workers that play they play in

1581
02:16:53,880 --> 02:16:59,880
creating and maintaining healthy vibrant
and inclusive communities here in

1582
02:16:57,479 --> 02:17:05,800
Ontario and just as an aside we were
asked to provide a list of a number of

1583
02:17:02,000 --> 02:17:10,920
not for-profits um at any n profits we
could submit to the I believe it was

1584
02:17:08,160 --> 02:17:16,519
federal government for recognition so we
have done that here in the municipality

1585
02:17:13,319 --> 02:17:20,760
staff and myself put together a a list
to send on and we can expand upon that

1586
02:17:18,920 --> 02:17:25,639
next year it was a very last minute
request from the feds but we got

1587
02:17:22,599 --> 02:17:29,359
something in uh two public forums will
be held to discuss the plans for the

1588
02:17:27,280 --> 02:17:34,439
landstone community garden in Jerry Park
on February 21st 2m and at 6m at the

1589
02:17:33,200 --> 02:17:38,319
landstone community center in the
meeting room uh any input is greatly

1590
02:17:36,800 --> 02:17:42,599
appreciated so if you have an interest
in gardening and want to help with the

1591
02:17:40,319 --> 02:17:48,439
community garden please uh plan on
attending at 2: or 6: p.m. on February

1592
02:17:45,880 --> 02:17:52,760
21st very important the katarak way
region conservation Authority crca is in

1593
02:17:51,040 --> 02:17:56,960
the process of updating the natural
Hazard mapping mapping along the St

1594
02:17:54,639 --> 02:18:01,080
Lawrence River Public comments are being
accepted from February 7th until

1595
02:17:58,719 --> 02:18:06,080
February 28th the draft mapping is
available for review and comments can be

1596
02:18:03,000 --> 02:18:11,800
submitted to the crca through a form on
their web web page this is extremely

1597
02:18:09,120 --> 02:18:18,639
important for anybody who has property
on the St Law's River if you or someone

1598
02:18:15,160 --> 02:18:22,240
you know or family friends acquaintances
have a property on the St Lawrence River

1599
02:18:20,599 --> 02:18:27,240
it is extremely important that they look
at this mapping to see how the changes

1600
02:18:24,679 --> 02:18:33,160
in the flood plane will affect the flood
plane mapping because once it is put

1601
02:18:30,519 --> 02:18:37,080
into place it will be more difficult to
have those conversations after the fact

1602
02:18:34,920 --> 02:18:41,080
so it's extremely important that you are
part of the conversation and part of the

1603
02:18:39,559 --> 02:18:46,040
consultation
um I'm not going to confuse the two I'm

1604
02:18:43,639 --> 02:18:51,399
going to talk about the Lear project but
um our social media um and website has

1605
02:18:49,439 --> 02:18:57,200
been updated to have a link so that you
can go on and find it there are certain

1606
02:18:54,559 --> 02:19:03,040
buttons you need to tick in order to see
on the mapping um which we will

1607
02:19:00,280 --> 02:19:08,639
hopefully communicate uh on those posts
so that people know exactly what to do

1608
02:19:05,760 --> 02:19:13,479
um and if people are struggling um
please call in and ask some of our staff

1609
02:19:10,679 --> 02:19:18,280
to help walk them through it um it is an
important process and any input is

1610
02:19:16,439 --> 02:19:22,439
appreciated
going on to the Lear consultation which

1611
02:19:20,439 --> 02:19:28,399
is the agricultural review that's being
done by the county the same thing

1612
02:19:25,040 --> 02:19:32,319
applies some lands here in uh Leeds in
the Thousand Islands are being

1613
02:19:30,160 --> 02:19:40,160
designated agricultural that are
currently designated rural this is to

1614
02:19:35,280 --> 02:19:43,960
increase the protected Prime egg La Land
designation the challenge with this is

1615
02:19:42,399 --> 02:19:49,080
it's being done from a
desktop we had a meeting at the County

1616
02:19:46,679 --> 02:19:54,359
uh last week and there was it was quite
a robust meeting um if you or you know

1617
02:19:52,399 --> 02:19:59,240
of anybody who currently owns rural
property of any sort of size I would say

1618
02:19:57,280 --> 02:20:04,040
usually 50 acres or more it's being
affected I can't say for certain that

1619
02:20:01,200 --> 02:20:09,479
it's not if it's under that um but I
know for my family there were two

1620
02:20:05,840 --> 02:20:13,800
Parcels that were affected one could not
be farmed

1621
02:20:10,880 --> 02:20:19,280
if you need a big whole Ram in order to
even make a rock pile um so it's again

1622
02:20:17,399 --> 02:20:24,080
extremely important that people pay
attention to these processes now and we

1623
02:20:21,880 --> 02:20:27,160
will do our best to inform the public so
that they can be part of the

1624
02:20:25,040 --> 02:20:35,240
consultation because once the mapping is
changed it is very difficult to unmap so

1625
02:20:32,479 --> 02:20:39,520
it's important that you have your say um
now the differences with the Lear uh

1626
02:20:37,479 --> 02:20:44,680
through the county is that everybody
whose property was changing was mailed a

1627
02:20:41,960 --> 02:20:49,760
piece of mail letting them know that it
was going to be changed however I know

1628
02:20:47,680 --> 02:20:55,160
of individuals who did not receive that
mail so in this particular process in

1629
02:20:53,160 --> 02:21:00,520
the catarro way region conservation
Authority and the flood uh plane mapping

1630
02:20:57,080 --> 02:21:04,600
natural Hazard mapping sorry um that's
not the case nobody is receiving a

1631
02:21:02,120 --> 02:21:10,200
letter so again it's important to let
your friends neighbors um anybody who

1632
02:21:08,640 --> 02:21:15,040
might have property down on the water
aware of the process that's

1633
02:21:12,359 --> 02:21:19,280
happening next is the application period
for the youth bursty program it's now

1634
02:21:16,760 --> 02:21:24,240
open until March 31st Township residents
graduating from high school in either

1635
02:21:20,880 --> 02:21:29,640
2023 or 2024 and planning to pursue
full-time post-secondary education in

1636
02:21:26,080 --> 02:21:34,160
2024 are encouraged to apply so if you
know of a young person who's heading off

1637
02:21:31,680 --> 02:21:38,040
to postsecondary please encourage them
to fill out the

1638
02:21:35,880 --> 02:21:41,880
application calling all Community
organizations uh the community grants

1639
02:21:39,960 --> 02:21:49,760
program spring intake is now open
applications are due on Friday April the

1640
02:21:44,720 --> 02:21:54,359
5th and um I just wanted to add a few
more things to this list uh this

1641
02:21:51,880 --> 02:21:59,160
afternoon I attended a meeting with uh
flourish which is a subsidiary of

1642
02:21:56,120 --> 02:22:03,720
indwell indwell is a not for-profit
organization that provides Supportive

1643
02:22:00,800 --> 02:22:08,200
Housing in many different areas here in
the province uh they are doing a

1644
02:22:05,880 --> 02:22:13,120
feasibility study to put one of the
Supportive Housing projects in

1645
02:22:10,399 --> 02:22:18,640
Brockville currently and then look at
expanding that

1646
02:22:14,560 --> 02:22:27,000
reach as we gain the knowledge the
expertise um it was very uh interesting

1647
02:22:22,640 --> 02:22:32,080
and our part as elected officials at the
county level is obviously funding it but

1648
02:22:30,399 --> 02:22:37,399
they had a meeting before we got there
as elected officials by all the

1649
02:22:33,600 --> 02:22:40,479
different um supporting agencies and one
of the things that they actually said

1650
02:22:38,880 --> 02:22:43,960
about our area is that all the
supporting agencies are actually working

1651
02:22:42,600 --> 02:22:50,120
together and they're trying to do their
best to create that web so that people

1652
02:22:47,319 --> 02:22:54,040
don't fall through the cracks however
that is not the case people are falling

1653
02:22:51,640 --> 02:22:59,280
through and it really comes down to a an
integrated approach and finding housing

1654
02:22:56,960 --> 02:23:03,319
that is sustainable for these
perpetually unhoused

1655
02:23:00,960 --> 02:23:07,399
individuals but what I was found very
interesting is that there's a number of

1656
02:23:04,800 --> 02:23:13,280
areas in the province where it's almost
a competition for these people to be

1657
02:23:10,160 --> 02:23:16,560
clients of one organization of another
and they're and they're trying they're

1658
02:23:14,720 --> 02:23:21,160
competing against each other literally
for dollar so there's a real challenge

1659
02:23:18,880 --> 02:23:25,479
to find that cooperation and cohesion
but we don't have that problem here in

1660
02:23:23,600 --> 02:23:29,560
uh Le and Grenville so I'm very grateful
to hear that and I'm very hopeful to see

1661
02:23:27,960 --> 02:23:35,680
the report that's coming forward at the
county um from flourish to hopefully

1662
02:23:33,920 --> 02:23:39,880
come forward with a plan that we can get
some of these people into Supportive

1663
02:23:38,040 --> 02:23:45,840
Housing so then get their lives back on
track and feel stable once again um and

1664
02:23:43,600 --> 02:23:50,560
uh I'm thankful for this the city of
Brockville for coming forward with the

1665
02:23:47,399 --> 02:23:54,200
building that will be offered for use
and we'll see where it goes and I shall

1666
02:23:52,080 --> 02:23:58,560
report back on that I also had the
pleasure of meeting with the associate

1667
02:23:55,680 --> 02:24:04,160
minister of women's social and Economic
Opportunity uh this morning in um in

1668
02:24:02,040 --> 02:24:09,920
Brockville with a number of other female
business owners and um to say I was

1669
02:24:07,640 --> 02:24:16,000
blown away would be an understatement
there are so many female business owners

1670
02:24:12,760 --> 02:24:23,000
in Le and Grenville that have done
amazing things with literally nothing

1671
02:24:19,359 --> 02:24:27,000
literally and they have they came
forward with great suggestions for

1672
02:24:24,760 --> 02:24:31,960
challenges that women face when
beginning businesses and trying to scale

1673
02:24:28,680 --> 02:24:37,279
them um as well as labor shortages and
child care and funding and all that sort

1674
02:24:34,279 --> 02:24:43,040
of stuff and she was very um heartened
to hear the suggestions um and uh it was

1675
02:24:41,479 --> 02:24:48,960
a really great meeting and I was very
honored to be part of that last point I

1676
02:24:45,960 --> 02:24:48,960
would like to make this evening

1677
02:24:49,439 --> 02:24:57,840
we have uh had a tragedy Happening Here
happen here in the municipality in the

1678
02:24:55,680 --> 02:25:00,840
last 24 48
Hours

1679
02:25:01,080 --> 02:25:09,040
um there is no conclusion at this point
in time um one of the missing

1680
02:25:06,680 --> 02:25:13,800
individuals was found safe yesterday
evening and was treated and released

1681
02:25:11,720 --> 02:25:19,399
home uh we have
no further details about anything um

1682
02:25:17,600 --> 02:25:23,960
being concluded at this point in time we
do know that emergency services still

1683
02:25:21,319 --> 02:25:30,319
are being asked to be on
standby

1684
02:25:26,319 --> 02:25:38,880
um all I can say is thank you to our
First Responders who were out um last

1685
02:25:34,160 --> 02:25:44,000
night on a very terrible call with no
conclusion

1686
02:25:40,520 --> 02:25:48,479
um but there was a number of comments
made on social media which I know we

1687
02:25:45,399 --> 02:25:53,720
have no control over
about what we should or should have been

1688
02:25:50,920 --> 02:26:00,600
doing how we should have been doing it
and of course um false information being

1689
02:25:57,040 --> 02:26:05,479
thrown around all I can do is implore to
the general

1690
02:26:01,880 --> 02:26:13,520
public it is when somebody passes away
or is presumed lost it is not our

1691
02:26:09,920 --> 02:26:19,040
responsibility to let anybody know it is
the

1692
02:26:14,840 --> 02:26:23,800
opp um and and uh the
family um so my thoughts are with those

1693
02:26:22,160 --> 02:26:28,760
who are still without their loved ones
at this point in

1694
02:26:25,319 --> 02:26:36,080
time uh I am grateful that we have
people that can be there to help and I

1695
02:26:32,479 --> 02:26:43,680
hope that um that this is a learning
opportunity for all of us that

1696
02:26:39,160 --> 02:26:49,439
regardless time space ice
depth it it's a sad sad tragedy that

1697
02:26:48,399 --> 02:26:56,000
could have been
avoided and um so I ask everybody to

1698
02:26:52,720 --> 02:27:01,920
stay off the ice please please don't ask
us um as a municipality and our

1699
02:26:58,680 --> 02:27:08,399
volunteers to have to come and we're
there for you when you're needed but

1700
02:27:04,479 --> 02:27:13,800
please don't make us come I guess is the
most I can

1701
02:27:09,520 --> 02:27:18,319
say um when information is available by
the powers that be then then it'll be

1702
02:27:15,920 --> 02:27:23,000
shared
so is there anything else anybody would

1703
02:27:20,000 --> 02:27:29,359
like to add to that Deputy Mayor
phony thank you worship uh just the

1704
02:27:26,240 --> 02:27:34,640
backup to your United counties meeting
on the agricultural mapping was there

1705
02:27:31,319 --> 02:27:39,439
any um statement or notification given
to those planning meetings that the four

1706
02:27:37,279 --> 02:27:43,680
meetings three were held in Granville
and the only one allotted to Leeds

1707
02:27:41,160 --> 02:27:49,240
County was in the Northeast over rosby
area I mean it's quite an insult slap in

1708
02:27:46,920 --> 02:27:54,200
the face to the agricultural Community
from Crosby South and West in this

1709
02:27:51,760 --> 02:27:58,840
Township I think the United County needs
to be put on notification that don't let

1710
02:27:57,000 --> 02:28:02,319
that happen again and better still the
only thing that really passed by me

1711
02:28:00,399 --> 02:28:06,920
quite frankly is to put one or two
meetings in this area which they still

1712
02:28:03,800 --> 02:28:11,439
can do I think it was quite ignorant on
their part to do what happened here and

1713
02:28:08,960 --> 02:28:15,520
the oversight on the millions of dollars
in agricultural investment in this part

1714
02:28:12,960 --> 02:28:20,120
of our Township United counties on
another note

1715
02:28:17,640 --> 02:28:24,680
on a somber tone again uh if you would
like to speak to two prominent gentlemen

1716
02:28:22,680 --> 02:28:30,319
Hunter Grant and Douglas mcintoshes
whose celebrations of lives have uh been

1717
02:28:27,479 --> 02:28:37,279
held since we last met at this
table uh thank you for that reminder uh

1718
02:28:34,319 --> 02:28:41,720
in the last month we have had to attend
uh to Celebration of Life uh for people

1719
02:28:39,880 --> 02:28:46,200
that are important to our community and
we also have another important one that

1720
02:28:43,319 --> 02:28:52,399
is upcoming at the end of this month for
a a former firefighter so uh Douglas

1721
02:28:49,960 --> 02:28:58,760
MacIntosh uh was a former counselor here
in the township of Leeds in the Thousand

1722
02:28:54,960 --> 02:29:03,920
Island or was it pre now I'm second
guess started pre it was pre yeah pre

1723
02:29:01,600 --> 02:29:07,840
pre and then after so he he bridged the
Gap uh during

1724
02:29:05,479 --> 02:29:11,880
amalgamation um if anybody had had the
pleasure of meeting Douglas he would

1725
02:29:10,240 --> 02:29:16,760
definitely tell you exactly what he
thought he was very passionate about the

1726
02:29:14,680 --> 02:29:25,000
environment and preserving the thousand
islands and while we may not have always

1727
02:29:21,000 --> 02:29:28,840
um saw OD eye um he was tenacious in
forwarding his ideas and the protection

1728
02:29:27,200 --> 02:29:35,720
of the environment in the Thousand
Islands um he was 92 years old I believe

1729
02:29:32,960 --> 02:29:40,279
and lived a long and full life um and
our thoughts are with his wife blue and

1730
02:29:37,720 --> 02:29:47,640
his family during this sad
time uh also uh would like to recognize

1731
02:29:43,479 --> 02:29:52,279
the passing of Hunter Grant who um is a
patron of one of our communities in a

1732
02:29:50,240 --> 02:29:58,000
way that we are very
fortunate um also the father-in-law of

1733
02:29:55,760 --> 02:30:05,880
one of our counselors here um Council
gell uh Hunter was a widely known

1734
02:30:02,160 --> 02:30:10,880
publisher in the industry um and sat on
many boards was recognized by many

1735
02:30:08,720 --> 02:30:17,680
different associations and organizations
but most of all uh it's his family that

1736
02:30:14,279 --> 02:30:24,240
he poured his heart and life um into
every single day and into his community

1737
02:30:20,439 --> 02:30:30,000
as well so we're grateful for the those
two men who made indelible marks on our

1738
02:30:27,080 --> 02:30:37,000
community and it is an example to which
we should all live

1739
02:30:31,200 --> 02:30:46,160
into um we also will be um attending uh
services for Brian mare um a veteran of

1740
02:30:41,399 --> 02:30:52,760
our fire fighting group believe we sent
him off after 30 years was the

1741
02:30:49,560 --> 02:30:57,800
celebration un fortunately um just last
year so um our thoughts are with the

1742
02:30:56,000 --> 02:31:04,840
mare family at this
time is there anything else that I've

1743
02:31:00,960 --> 02:31:10,760
missed Council Jamon go ahead just to um
acknowledge the passing of Carol Johnson

1744
02:31:07,080 --> 02:31:16,920
in in Cy Bay uh was a longtime employee
of this Township as we know a very

1745
02:31:13,920 --> 02:31:23,040
important figure in the United Church
and the village and will be very much

1746
02:31:19,399 --> 02:31:29,120
missed by us all so just the fact that
of course very long tenure here uh on

1747
02:31:26,520 --> 02:31:32,640
this stuff is important to to us to
acknowledge thank you thank you

1748
02:31:31,200 --> 02:31:36,479
councelor
Jameson any other comments before I

1749
02:31:34,960 --> 02:31:41,120
close the
meeting I will move forward with the

1750
02:31:38,520 --> 02:31:44,120
reading of the bylaws so moving moveed
by councelor Lackey seconded by

1751
02:31:42,399 --> 02:31:50,439
councelor kelman three readings and
final passage be granted to bylaw number

1752
02:31:47,200 --> 02:31:54,880
24-7 24-8
24-9 that three readings and final

1753
02:31:52,600 --> 02:31:58,399
passage be granted to bylaw number
24-10 being a bylaw to confirm the

1754
02:31:57,120 --> 02:32:01,319
proceedings of the corporation of the
township of leads in the Thousand

1755
02:31:59,720 --> 02:32:06,200
Islands at its February 12th Committee
of the whole meeting and Council

1756
02:32:03,640 --> 02:32:11,520
meetings any discussion on the
motion seeing none I'll call the

1757
02:32:08,520 --> 02:32:18,080
question all those in favor all those
opposed and it is

1758
02:32:14,800 --> 02:32:21,120
carried next and last motion non-
debatable moved by councelor Lackey

1759
02:32:19,520 --> 02:32:26,680
seconded by councelor kelman that
Council adjourn all those in favor all

1760
02:32:23,760 --> 02:32:30,279
those opposed and the motion is carried
thank you everyone