1 00:01:26,799 --> 00:01:31,749 It is 6 pm. 2 00:01:31,759 --> 00:01:34,640 Okay. Um just it's 6 p.m. and we will 3 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,560 begin this committee of the whole on 4 00:01:36,560 --> 00:01:39,439 Monday, December the 1st. And we will 5 00:01:39,439 --> 00:01:41,040 start with our land acknowledgement with 6 00:01:41,040 --> 00:01:42,720 gratitude. The township of Leeds in the 7 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,400 Thousand Islands acknowledges that these 8 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:45,920 lands and waters are traditional 9 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:48,320 territory of the Algangquin, Missaga's 10 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,200 Mohawk, and Heron Wendad. To recognize 11 00:01:51,200 --> 00:01:53,040 the role that the township must play in 12 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:54,880 truth and reconciliation, we also 13 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:56,399 acknowledge the displacement of these 14 00:01:56,399 --> 00:01:58,240 peoples. Additionally, the township 15 00:01:58,240 --> 00:01:59,680 would like to respectfully acknowledge 16 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:01,920 the First Nations, Inuit, and Matei 17 00:02:01,920 --> 00:02:04,399 people who also call this place home. We 18 00:02:04,399 --> 00:02:05,920 make this land acknowledgement to honor 19 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:07,520 the indigenous ancestors who have 20 00:02:07,520 --> 00:02:09,679 stewarded these lands and waters since 21 00:02:09,679 --> 00:02:12,080 time in memorial. 22 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:14,000 On to number three of our agenda, which 23 00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:15,920 is the adoption of the agenda. Motion 24 00:02:15,920 --> 00:02:17,599 comes forward from councelor lackey, 25 00:02:17,599 --> 00:02:19,680 seconded by councelor Kelman that the 26 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:22,400 agenda be adopted as circulated. Any 27 00:02:22,400 --> 00:02:24,000 comments or questions in regards to the 28 00:02:24,000 --> 00:02:26,239 agenda? Seeing none, I'll call the 29 00:02:26,239 --> 00:02:28,480 question. All those in favor? All those 30 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:32,720 opposed? And it is carried. 31 00:02:32,720 --> 00:02:35,680 Next item is declaration of punary 32 00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:37,360 interest or general nature thereof. Does 33 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:40,640 anybody have an interest to declare? 34 00:02:40,640 --> 00:02:43,360 I have no hands up. 35 00:02:43,360 --> 00:02:45,840 So, number five is close session and we 36 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:48,560 have none this evening. 37 00:02:48,560 --> 00:02:51,360 Uh we'll move on to delegations and this 38 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:53,440 evening we have Martha and Jack Harvey 39 00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:55,519 who are here to uh present and discuss 40 00:02:55,519 --> 00:02:57,840 pickle ball in Jonah Street Park and 41 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:59,599 Kendrick's Park. So, if you could please 42 00:02:59,599 --> 00:03:11,350 come forward. 43 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:16,869 Okay. Um 44 00:03:16,879 --> 00:03:20,000 um hello um madame mayor, counselors, 45 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,239 and um township staff. I'm Martha 46 00:03:22,239 --> 00:03:24,879 Harvey. I'm from Llinter, and I am here 47 00:03:24,879 --> 00:03:27,040 to speak about two object objectives 48 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:30,560 that I have um uh and I'm to talk to you 49 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:34,000 about with regard to pickle ball. Um, 50 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,080 first pickle ball lines should be 51 00:03:36,080 --> 00:03:38,400 painted on Jonah Street Park basketball 52 00:03:38,400 --> 00:03:41,040 court in Llinters this spring. And 53 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:43,599 number two, option two from the 54 00:03:43,599 --> 00:03:46,239 recreation report should be chosen with 55 00:03:46,239 --> 00:03:49,252 regard to the Kendrick's Park upgrade. 56 00:03:49,252 --> 00:03:50,879 [clears throat] The outline of my talk 57 00:03:50,879 --> 00:03:53,519 is I'm going to tell you about the sport 58 00:03:53,519 --> 00:03:55,680 of pickle ball. I'm going to tell you 59 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,760 why pickle ball line should be painted 60 00:03:57,760 --> 00:03:59,840 on the basketball court at Jonas Street 61 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,720 Park in Linturst. Then I'll discuss the 62 00:04:02,720 --> 00:04:05,599 noise concern regarding the sport. Then 63 00:04:05,599 --> 00:04:07,760 I'll discuss the importance of moving 64 00:04:07,760 --> 00:04:10,000 forward in a timely manner with option 65 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,720 two from the recreation report for 66 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:16,239 Kendrick's Park upgrade. Pickle ball. 67 00:04:16,239 --> 00:04:18,400 It's a popular sport throughout North 68 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,959 America. It's relatively easy on the 69 00:04:20,959 --> 00:04:24,639 body. It's easy to learn how to play. It 70 00:04:24,639 --> 00:04:28,240 provides good physical workout. All ages 71 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:30,479 can play, young children to older 72 00:04:30,479 --> 00:04:33,600 adults, and it's a social game, both 73 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,919 while playing and after playing when the 74 00:04:35,919 --> 00:04:38,960 players often gather to socialize. 75 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:41,440 Now, why pickle ball line should be on 76 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:44,720 the Jonas Street Park basketball court? 77 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:46,560 For all of the previously mentioned 78 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:48,960 reasons, it would be positive to have 79 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,080 pickle ball in Lindter. 80 00:04:52,080 --> 00:04:54,320 In if the Jonas Street Park basketball 81 00:04:54,320 --> 00:04:57,199 court doubled as a pickle ball court, 82 00:04:57,199 --> 00:04:59,840 the residents of Linest could walk to 83 00:04:59,840 --> 00:05:02,479 the park and play the game. This is both 84 00:05:02,479 --> 00:05:05,360 convenient and more environmentally 85 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:09,120 friendly than driving to a court. The 86 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,240 equipment, the paddles, the balls, and a 87 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:14,320 portable net can be borrowed from the 88 00:05:14,320 --> 00:05:17,120 Liners Library, and therefore the game 89 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:19,759 is free to the community. 90 00:05:19,759 --> 00:05:22,800 Pickle ball is an inexpensive activity 91 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,199 for the township to put in place on the 92 00:05:25,199 --> 00:05:28,240 Jonas Street Park basketball court. The 93 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:32,320 court is 40 ft x 60 ft. The concrete pad 94 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,400 just needs pickle ball lines to be 95 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,039 painted on the court, but in a different 96 00:05:37,039 --> 00:05:39,840 color than the basketball lines. The 97 00:05:39,840 --> 00:05:42,240 pickle ball lines could be painted this 98 00:05:42,240 --> 00:05:45,199 spring. And it's a very quick way to 99 00:05:45,199 --> 00:05:48,160 positively enhance the community of 100 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:49,759 Linterest. 101 00:05:49,759 --> 00:05:52,880 Lansdown and Celles Bay have pickle ball 102 00:05:52,880 --> 00:05:55,680 courts and having access to a court in 103 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:58,320 Linterest makes the activity available 104 00:05:58,320 --> 00:06:02,000 in more communities within the township. 105 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:05,360 Now the noise concern noise is made when 106 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,560 a pickle ball hits a paddle and some 107 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:10,800 people are concerned about this noise. 108 00:06:10,800 --> 00:06:12,800 But before I tell you how the noise 109 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,960 concern can be addressed, I would like 110 00:06:14,960 --> 00:06:17,919 to relate two hypothetical scenarios 111 00:06:17,919 --> 00:06:19,840 that will help to make the points that I 112 00:06:19,840 --> 00:06:22,240 have regarding the noise more 113 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,670 meaningful. 114 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:29,680 Now, I will relate to these scenarios um 115 00:06:29,680 --> 00:06:32,080 regarding myself, but they could easily 116 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:34,000 apply to any member of the Llinters 117 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:37,039 community. So, pretend that that the 118 00:06:37,039 --> 00:06:38,639 pickle ball lines have been painted on 119 00:06:38,639 --> 00:06:40,720 the basketball court in Jonah Street 120 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:44,000 Park. It's a Sunday afternoon and I say 121 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:45,680 to my husband, "Let's have a game of 122 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,319 pickle ball." He agrees. Then I say, 123 00:06:48,319 --> 00:06:50,800 "Oh, no, can't. It's Sunday. The library 124 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,680 is closed. We can't get the net. We'll 125 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:55,520 have to wait until tomorrow when we can 126 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:58,639 borrow the net." And unless someone else 127 00:06:58,639 --> 00:07:01,520 has previously borrowed the net, no 128 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:04,080 pickle ball will be played that day. 129 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:05,680 There will be, [clears throat] excuse 130 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:10,160 me, no noise on the pickle ball court. 131 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,080 Monday afternoon comes along, my husband 132 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,400 and I, we walk up to the library, we 133 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:24,070 borrow the pickle ball net. 134 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,160 We walk across the road from the library 135 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:28,479 to Jonas Street Park and we put the net 136 00:07:28,479 --> 00:07:30,000 together. 137 00:07:30,000 --> 00:07:32,240 It takes 10, maybe 15 minutes if you 138 00:07:32,240 --> 00:07:34,160 haven't done it before. 139 00:07:34,160 --> 00:07:36,560 We begin our game. We have a few good 140 00:07:36,560 --> 00:07:39,840 rallies. We also miss the ball a lot and 141 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,639 we have to chase it. We laugh. We praise 142 00:07:42,639 --> 00:07:45,039 each other for our good shots that we 143 00:07:45,039 --> 00:07:47,520 make. And then we lament our missed 144 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:50,560 shots. After about an hour, we call it 145 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,199 quits. We decide not to keep the net for 146 00:07:53,199 --> 00:07:55,280 the week that we're allowed and we 147 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:57,840 return it to the library. We go for an 148 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:00,639 ice cream cone at the post and we had 149 00:08:00,639 --> 00:08:04,240 fun. And unless someone else borrows the 150 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:07,360 net, no one else will be playing pickle 151 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:11,039 ball on that court. There will be no 152 00:08:11,039 --> 00:08:12,720 noise. 153 00:08:12,720 --> 00:08:15,759 Hypothetical scenario number two. My 154 00:08:15,759 --> 00:08:17,759 adult children are coming home for the 155 00:08:17,759 --> 00:08:19,919 weekend. I want to think of some fun 156 00:08:19,919 --> 00:08:22,400 activities for us to do when they come. 157 00:08:22,400 --> 00:08:25,360 I think pickle ball. I go to the library 158 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,240 on Friday. I borrow the net. I will keep 159 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:30,800 it for several days. And while I have 160 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:33,760 that net, no one else is playing pickle 161 00:08:33,760 --> 00:08:38,479 ball on that court. There's no noise. My 162 00:08:38,479 --> 00:08:40,320 kids walk through the court on Saturday. 163 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:42,240 They set up the net. They play the game 164 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,120 for about an hour. They have a good time 165 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:47,839 and they bring the net back to my house. 166 00:08:47,839 --> 00:08:50,399 There will be no noise on the pickle 167 00:08:50,399 --> 00:08:52,959 ball court until I return the net and 168 00:08:52,959 --> 00:08:55,760 someone else decides to borrow it. Now, 169 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:58,399 these scenarios are not exclusive to my 170 00:08:58,399 --> 00:09:01,600 family. the similar scenarios would be 171 00:09:01,600 --> 00:09:07,190 apply to other households in Linterest. 172 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:09,680 So now I'll tell you the reasons um how 173 00:09:09,680 --> 00:09:12,959 noise can be addressed. Lurst is a small 174 00:09:12,959 --> 00:09:15,680 community. Realistically, pickle ball 175 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:19,279 would not be played nonstop, 176 00:09:19,279 --> 00:09:22,000 especially when effort is required to 177 00:09:22,000 --> 00:09:25,279 set up and take down the portable net 178 00:09:25,279 --> 00:09:28,320 and the library is not open daily for 179 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,200 the portable net to be borrowed. 180 00:09:31,200 --> 00:09:35,120 There's only one court. So any noise 181 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:38,640 created is much much much much I could 182 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:41,279 say that six times less than would be 183 00:09:41,279 --> 00:09:43,760 the case where there are numerous pickle 184 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,880 ball courts in one space with each court 185 00:09:46,880 --> 00:09:49,279 having a permanent net. That's where 186 00:09:49,279 --> 00:09:50,959 people come. You want to play pickle 187 00:09:50,959 --> 00:09:52,640 ball. The net's there, the court's 188 00:09:52,640 --> 00:09:54,320 there. You just walk on. You play the 189 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:56,160 game and there's lots of courts. There's 190 00:09:56,160 --> 00:09:59,040 noise. Not here. 191 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,000 A schedule could be posted to identify 192 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:05,120 hours when the game could be played. 193 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:07,279 There would likely be a healthy amount 194 00:10:07,279 --> 00:10:10,000 of laughter and ball chasing mixed in 195 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:12,880 with the ball hitting, i.e. ball hitting 196 00:10:12,880 --> 00:10:16,560 would not be a constant in the game. 197 00:10:16,560 --> 00:10:19,680 Jonas Street Park is a playground and 198 00:10:19,680 --> 00:10:24,160 some playground noise is to be expected. 199 00:10:24,160 --> 00:10:25,920 Now, I'm going to deviate from Jonas 200 00:10:25,920 --> 00:10:27,680 Street Park for a moment, but still on 201 00:10:27,680 --> 00:10:29,680 the pickle ball theme and in the Llinter 202 00:10:29,680 --> 00:10:32,640 area, um, and talk about Kendrick's Park 203 00:10:32,640 --> 00:10:35,680 and pickle ball. In addition to having 204 00:10:35,680 --> 00:10:38,160 pickle ball court in Jonas Street Park, 205 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:40,320 it would be wonderful to have a 206 00:10:40,320 --> 00:10:42,720 dedicated pickle ball court in 207 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:45,680 Kendrick's Park, i.e. where the net is 208 00:10:45,680 --> 00:10:48,720 always in place. The Jonas Street Park 209 00:10:48,720 --> 00:10:50,560 court would service those who cannot 210 00:10:50,560 --> 00:10:53,360 travel to to Kendrick's Park. The 211 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,040 dedicated pickle ball courts in 212 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:57,279 Kendrick's Park would benefit those who 213 00:10:57,279 --> 00:11:00,959 are in lintest area but who do not want 214 00:11:00,959 --> 00:11:04,720 to or who are unable to um put up and 215 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:08,160 take down the portable net. 216 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:14,160 Option two in the recreation report here 217 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:16,560 allows for two pickle ball courts to be 218 00:11:16,560 --> 00:11:19,839 built in Kendrick's Park. Option one 219 00:11:19,839 --> 00:11:22,079 does not mention building any pickle 220 00:11:22,079 --> 00:11:25,760 ball courts. Please choose option two on 221 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:31,680 page 16 of the recreation report. 222 00:11:31,680 --> 00:11:33,440 All areas of the township would be 223 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:35,600 serviced with dedicated pickle ball 224 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:38,000 courts if option two of the recreation 225 00:11:38,000 --> 00:11:40,240 report is chosen. 226 00:11:40,240 --> 00:11:42,240 The recreation report suggests that 227 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:44,720 Kendrick's Park would be upgraded in 5 228 00:11:44,720 --> 00:11:48,240 to 10 years. It would be wonderful if 229 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,079 the Kendrick's Park upgrade could be 230 00:11:50,079 --> 00:11:53,519 sooner than later and maybe the park 231 00:11:53,519 --> 00:11:55,920 upgrades could be done in stages with 232 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:59,680 pickle ball courts put into stage one. 233 00:11:59,680 --> 00:12:01,839 So, in conclusion, 234 00:12:01,839 --> 00:12:04,560 number one, pickle ball lines should be 235 00:12:04,560 --> 00:12:06,240 painted on the Jonah Street Park 236 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:09,760 basketball court this spring. Number 237 00:12:09,760 --> 00:12:12,880 two, providing llinters with a pickle 238 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,399 ball court in a timely fashion is very 239 00:12:16,399 --> 00:12:20,480 inexpensive. It's a can of paint. 240 00:12:20,480 --> 00:12:23,440 Number three, pickle ball provides an 241 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,279 opportunity for some people to 242 00:12:25,279 --> 00:12:27,519 experience the sport. 243 00:12:27,519 --> 00:12:30,480 Number four, playing the game of pickle 244 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,760 ball helps with community spirit, 245 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:36,880 exercise, and socialization for all 246 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,639 ages, young to older. 247 00:12:40,639 --> 00:12:44,480 Number five, Jonas Street Park is easily 248 00:12:44,480 --> 00:12:49,760 accessible to the people in Linterst. 249 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,560 Number six, the township would have 250 00:12:52,560 --> 00:12:55,600 pickle ball available in Lindurst, 251 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:59,040 Lansdown, and Seelles Bay in a timely 252 00:12:59,040 --> 00:13:01,600 manner if pickle ball lines were painted 253 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,600 on the Jonas Street Park basketball 254 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,839 court. Number seven, noise from the game 255 00:13:07,839 --> 00:13:10,959 on the Jonas Street Park court would be 256 00:13:10,959 --> 00:13:13,279 minimal. 257 00:13:13,279 --> 00:13:16,480 Number eight, Llinter is a very small 258 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:19,040 community. Realistically, 259 00:13:19,040 --> 00:13:21,360 many people would not use a pickle ball 260 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:25,440 court in Jonah Street Park, but 261 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:29,680 some people would. Having a single 262 00:13:29,680 --> 00:13:32,560 single pickle ball court in Jonas Street 263 00:13:32,560 --> 00:13:36,880 Park is like having a canoe dock or 264 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:41,360 swing sets or a swim ladder or a 265 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:44,639 basketball court or the public dock on 266 00:13:44,639 --> 00:13:47,920 Llin's Lake or the bicycle equipment 267 00:13:47,920 --> 00:13:50,800 that is in Furnace Falls Park. These 268 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:55,839 amenities are not in constant use, but 269 00:13:55,839 --> 00:14:00,240 they are used and they are all very much 270 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,519 appreciated when they are used. These 271 00:14:03,519 --> 00:14:06,560 amenities enhance the community for its 272 00:14:06,560 --> 00:14:09,920 residents, for visitors, and for the 273 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:13,360 township. And so and so would having a 274 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:16,720 pickle ball court in Jonas Street Park. 275 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:20,800 And lastly, please choose option two um 276 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,199 when upgrading Kendrick's Park. The 277 00:14:23,199 --> 00:14:25,279 pickle ball courts in Kendrick's Park 278 00:14:25,279 --> 00:14:28,800 should be built sooner than later. 279 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:29,760 Stand. 280 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,310 >> Thank you for your presentation. 281 00:14:32,310 --> 00:14:32,320 » Thank you for your presentation. 282 00:14:32,320 --> 00:14:34,560 Do any of the council members have any 283 00:14:34,560 --> 00:14:36,320 questions for the presenter? Go ahead, 284 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,079 councelor maybe. And then deputy mayor 285 00:14:38,079 --> 00:14:40,560 FOD and then I think I have councelor 286 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:42,399 Antoine Harley. Go ahead. 287 00:14:42,399 --> 00:14:43,590 >> Thank you, Madame Mayor. and through 288 00:14:43,590 --> 00:14:43,600 » Thank you, Madame Mayor. and through 289 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,880 you. I have a few things to kind of 290 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:51,120 ponder here. Uh is is there any data uh 291 00:14:51,120 --> 00:14:53,440 to the usage of the basketball court in 292 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:54,639 Jonas Park? 293 00:14:54,639 --> 00:14:57,030 >> No, I have no Oh, sorry. I have no data 294 00:14:57,030 --> 00:14:57,040 » No, I have no Oh, sorry. I have no data 295 00:14:57,040 --> 00:14:59,519 on that other than I I haven't seen a 296 00:14:59,519 --> 00:15:02,959 lot of people using it. Um I know that I 297 00:15:02,959 --> 00:15:04,880 have seen skateboards up there, but I 298 00:15:04,880 --> 00:15:07,279 haven't seen um uh kids playing on it. I 299 00:15:07,279 --> 00:15:09,600 I know they have played on it. I have my 300 00:15:09,600 --> 00:15:11,440 daughter was one when when she was at 301 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:13,279 home and she and her friends went up. Um 302 00:15:13,279 --> 00:15:15,199 but I haven't seen a lot of usage. No. 303 00:15:15,199 --> 00:15:17,910 >> Okay. Thank you. That's one. Um and this 304 00:15:17,910 --> 00:15:17,920 » Okay. Thank you. That's one. Um and this 305 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,000 one may might be to the uh director of 306 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:22,240 operations is the cost of lines that 307 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,959 possibly could be painted on a surface 308 00:15:24,959 --> 00:15:26,639 since we had something similar to this 309 00:15:26,639 --> 00:15:31,430 and what the condition of that court is. 310 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:33,600 » Uh through you your worship. The the 311 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,360 court's in decent shape. Uh there are 312 00:15:35,360 --> 00:15:37,519 some cracks in it, but nothing that's 313 00:15:37,519 --> 00:15:40,160 insurmountable. Um cost of the lines, I 314 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:41,519 would estimate two to three hundred 315 00:15:41,519 --> 00:15:43,360 bucks likely to to get that completed. 316 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:44,959 So it's it's fairly cost effective as 317 00:15:44,959 --> 00:15:45,440 well. 318 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,310 >> Excellent. Thank you very much. And uh 319 00:15:48,310 --> 00:15:48,320 » Excellent. Thank you very much. And uh 320 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,360 again to uh to have participate action 321 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:53,199 to coin a phrase which is always out 322 00:15:53,199 --> 00:15:57,120 there. It's great to hear that. um uh 323 00:15:57,120 --> 00:16:00,079 having that much activity and as pickle 324 00:16:00,079 --> 00:16:03,040 ball is picking up uh speed across our 325 00:16:03,040 --> 00:16:05,600 nation, it would be a good thing to do. 326 00:16:05,600 --> 00:16:09,199 And decibel levels any uh the paddle is 327 00:16:09,199 --> 00:16:11,759 fairly hard and the ball I've never 328 00:16:11,759 --> 00:16:13,440 really actually seen a pickle ball 329 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,839 unless you've got one with you. Uh is it 330 00:16:15,839 --> 00:16:17,279 what type of ball is it? 331 00:16:17,279 --> 00:16:19,829 >> It's a a whiffle a whiffle ball. Um 332 00:16:19,829 --> 00:16:19,839 » It's a a whiffle a whiffle ball. Um 333 00:16:19,839 --> 00:16:22,880 Peter, may I see your 334 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:29,509 >> I knew somebody would. 335 00:16:29,519 --> 00:16:31,360 because we play pickle ball. So, a 336 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,120 pickle, this is a whiffle ball. And a 337 00:16:33,120 --> 00:16:35,199 pickle ball, a pickle ball is like this, 338 00:16:35,199 --> 00:16:37,680 but it's the size. It's 339 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:39,590 >> It's about like that. 340 00:16:39,590 --> 00:16:39,600 » It's about like that. 341 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:40,310 >> They're hard. 342 00:16:40,310 --> 00:16:40,320 » They're hard. 343 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,550 >> Yeah, that's hard. Um, a baseball, a 344 00:16:42,550 --> 00:16:42,560 » Yeah, that's hard. Um, a baseball, a 345 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:44,639 small baseball or a fast ball, I think. 346 00:16:44,639 --> 00:16:46,639 Would that be correct? A fast ball. Um, 347 00:16:46,639 --> 00:16:48,480 and it's um, well, I've seen them be 348 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:51,040 yellow anyway. And then when paddle hits 349 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:53,680 the ball, there is a sound and that's um 350 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,079 it's I think it's more annoying to 351 00:16:56,079 --> 00:16:58,959 people than it uh a tennis ball hitting. 352 00:16:58,959 --> 00:17:02,160 Um but the thing is with llinters, it's 353 00:17:02,160 --> 00:17:05,679 one court, right? one court sometimes. 354 00:17:05,679 --> 00:17:08,319 Whereas I can see if you have six courts 355 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:10,799 and the net is always there and it's 356 00:17:10,799 --> 00:17:14,160 summertime and you've got um 8:00 in the 357 00:17:14,160 --> 00:17:16,000 morning till 8:00 at night and somebody 358 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:18,160 is always on one of those courts if not 359 00:17:18,160 --> 00:17:21,839 many. Then you've got constant noise. 360 00:17:21,839 --> 00:17:23,919 This isn't going to be constant. This is 361 00:17:23,919 --> 00:17:26,880 going to be sometimes. And as I said, 362 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,160 the amenities in the it won't be used 363 00:17:30,160 --> 00:17:32,720 all the time every like constantly, but 364 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,360 it will be used. Yeah. And and it's just 365 00:17:35,360 --> 00:17:37,600 available for the community. I don't 366 00:17:37,600 --> 00:17:39,120 think it'll be something that people 367 00:17:39,120 --> 00:17:41,440 will become annoyed with. I I can't I 368 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:43,039 truly don't think it would be. 369 00:17:43,039 --> 00:17:45,350 >> No. Thank you very much for that um 370 00:17:45,350 --> 00:17:45,360 » No. Thank you very much for that um 371 00:17:45,360 --> 00:17:47,520 explanation. I appreciate it very much. 372 00:17:47,520 --> 00:17:48,720 That's it for me. 373 00:17:48,720 --> 00:17:50,710 >> Deputy Mayor, go ahead. 374 00:17:50,710 --> 00:17:50,720 » Deputy Mayor, go ahead. 375 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:53,029 >> Thank you. Worship through you. Has 376 00:17:53,029 --> 00:17:53,039 » Thank you. Worship through you. Has 377 00:17:53,039 --> 00:17:55,360 there been anticipated complaints on the 378 00:17:55,360 --> 00:17:57,919 noise? Like, have you heard other 379 00:17:57,919 --> 00:17:58,880 people? 380 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,029 >> No, the only person I heard through was 381 00:18:01,029 --> 00:18:01,039 » No, the only person I heard through was 382 00:18:01,039 --> 00:18:02,720 through David Holiday here. 383 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:04,310 >> Okay. 384 00:18:04,310 --> 00:18:04,320 » Okay. 385 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:06,640 Because myself, I've stopped, I've 386 00:18:06,640 --> 00:18:08,640 watched, I've drive by with a window 387 00:18:08,640 --> 00:18:10,320 down over here at Landown, multiple 388 00:18:10,320 --> 00:18:12,720 courts on the move. Noise isn't 389 00:18:12,720 --> 00:18:14,880 something that attracts me at all. Yeah, 390 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:17,120 it it I heard it through David uh that 391 00:18:17,120 --> 00:18:19,440 that was the reason that it wasn't I I 392 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,320 needed to present because and um state 393 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,120 this case. Um so maybe David can answer. 394 00:18:25,120 --> 00:18:27,830 >> I I believe that the director didn't 395 00:18:27,830 --> 00:18:27,840 » I I believe that the director didn't 396 00:18:27,840 --> 00:18:29,440 come up with that on his own. So I'll 397 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:31,280 I'll let him answer that. 398 00:18:31,280 --> 00:18:33,110 >> Thank you through your worship. 399 00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:33,120 » Thank you through your worship. 400 00:18:33,120 --> 00:18:35,270 >> Um so through the survey that we put 401 00:18:35,270 --> 00:18:35,280 » Um so through the survey that we put 402 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,919 out, we did receive more feedback 403 00:18:37,919 --> 00:18:39,520 opposing pickle ball than we did 404 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:41,679 requesting it at that location. Um, and 405 00:18:41,679 --> 00:18:43,280 it seemed to be more the the neighbors 406 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:44,880 around the the surrounding area adjacent 407 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:46,960 to the park that had concern with it. 408 00:18:46,960 --> 00:18:48,880 Um, that's that's what we gathered from 409 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,080 from the survey. 410 00:18:50,080 --> 00:18:52,310 >> Um, my understanding, David, is it or 411 00:18:52,310 --> 00:18:52,320 » Um, my understanding, David, is it or 412 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,960 Mr. Holiday, is it three people said no 413 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,840 and two people said yes? 414 00:18:57,840 --> 00:18:58,870 >> I'm sorry. I I don't 415 00:18:58,870 --> 00:18:58,880 » I'm sorry. I I don't 416 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:00,710 >> how many people excuse me, but how many 417 00:19:00,710 --> 00:19:00,720 » how many people excuse me, but how many 418 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:02,720 people were against pickle ball and how 419 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:03,760 many people were four? 420 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:04,630 >> Miss Harvey, 421 00:19:04,630 --> 00:19:04,640 » Miss Harvey, 422 00:19:04,640 --> 00:19:05,510 >> am I sorry. 423 00:19:05,510 --> 00:19:05,520 » am I sorry. 424 00:19:05,520 --> 00:19:08,310 >> Sorry. In order this isn't a debate back 425 00:19:08,310 --> 00:19:08,320 » Sorry. In order this isn't a debate back 426 00:19:08,320 --> 00:19:10,799 and forth. This is a delegation. Oh, 427 00:19:10,799 --> 00:19:12,549 >> so I've asked him to answer the question 428 00:19:12,549 --> 00:19:12,559 » so I've asked him to answer the question 429 00:19:12,559 --> 00:19:14,080 and then if you'd like to 430 00:19:14,080 --> 00:19:15,750 >> Sorry. All right. 431 00:19:15,750 --> 00:19:15,760 » Sorry. All right. 432 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,470 >> Um, so there is a way for you to 433 00:19:18,470 --> 00:19:18,480 » Um, so there is a way for you to 434 00:19:18,480 --> 00:19:20,160 delineate how many people. You just 435 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:21,600 don't have that in front of you right 436 00:19:21,600 --> 00:19:22,160 now. 437 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:23,029 >> That is correct. 438 00:19:23,029 --> 00:19:23,039 » That is correct. 439 00:19:23,039 --> 00:19:25,110 >> Thank you. Okay. So, we can get that 440 00:19:25,110 --> 00:19:25,120 » Thank you. Okay. So, we can get that 441 00:19:25,120 --> 00:19:27,679 information. I'll let you continue on. 442 00:19:27,679 --> 00:19:28,400 Deputy mayor. 443 00:19:28,400 --> 00:19:30,070 >> Well, I find it ironic that you got 444 00:19:30,070 --> 00:19:30,080 » Well, I find it ironic that you got 445 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:31,440 people opposed to it when they haven't 446 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:33,039 even heard it. 447 00:19:33,039 --> 00:19:34,870 >> I mean, that would be typical. 448 00:19:34,870 --> 00:19:34,880 » I mean, that would be typical. 449 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:35,909 >> That's not me. this. 450 00:19:35,909 --> 00:19:35,919 » That's not me. this. 451 00:19:35,919 --> 00:19:37,909 >> No, I'm not saying yourself, but I'm 452 00:19:37,909 --> 00:19:37,919 » No, I'm not saying yourself, but I'm 453 00:19:37,919 --> 00:19:39,440 saying that it'd be typical when 454 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:40,880 somebody comes up with an idea, there'd 455 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:42,400 be people opposed to something never 456 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:43,520 heard. 457 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:47,029 >> I I would be I would be surprised if the 458 00:19:47,029 --> 00:19:47,039 » I I would be I would be surprised if the 459 00:19:47,039 --> 00:19:48,880 noise of a pickle ball court would be 460 00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,679 out of a of a audio level that would 461 00:19:51,679 --> 00:19:54,080 actually matter, but that's neither here 462 00:19:54,080 --> 00:19:57,600 nor there. Um, and you had made ample 463 00:19:57,600 --> 00:19:59,600 examples of the fact you're not playing 464 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,360 between midnight and 6:00 a.m. and 465 00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:03,600 things like that. I'm being a little 466 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:05,679 sarcastic, I know. 467 00:20:05,679 --> 00:20:07,760 But uh no, thanks for the presentation. 468 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:08,640 Thank you. 469 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:11,270 >> Can go ahead, councelor Antoine Hartley. 470 00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:11,280 » Can go ahead, councelor Antoine Hartley. 471 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:14,950 >> Yes. Uh thank you your worship. Um I was 472 00:20:14,950 --> 00:20:14,960 » Yes. Uh thank you your worship. Um I was 473 00:20:14,960 --> 00:20:18,400 just going to to uh reiterate the 474 00:20:18,400 --> 00:20:24,080 inclusivity of the pickle ball in the 475 00:20:24,080 --> 00:20:26,799 village itself. And I understand that 476 00:20:26,799 --> 00:20:28,480 it's in the works to have something at 477 00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:31,679 Kendricks, but in in the meantime, uh, 478 00:20:31,679 --> 00:20:34,240 and as you've said, there will not be a 479 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:39,120 permanent net up or and the um the the 480 00:20:39,120 --> 00:20:40,880 rental of it will be 481 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:43,350 >> from the library and so meaning you have 482 00:20:43,350 --> 00:20:43,360 » from the library and so meaning you have 483 00:20:43,360 --> 00:20:45,919 to be there when the library is open, 484 00:20:45,919 --> 00:20:48,799 right? Yes. Yes. And and no to that. Um, 485 00:20:48,799 --> 00:20:50,960 yes. Uh, you have to get the net when 486 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:52,480 the library is open, but you're allowed 487 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:54,960 to borrow it for a week. So, if you knew 488 00:20:54,960 --> 00:20:56,880 you wanted to have it on a Thursday and 489 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:58,400 the library is closed, then you would 490 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:01,120 borrow it on a Wednesday. Um, but you're 491 00:21:01,120 --> 00:21:03,520 right, it it's not there. If you can't 492 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,120 it's not spur of the moment unless the 493 00:21:05,120 --> 00:21:06,880 library is open, right? 494 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:11,510 >> So, um, yeah. So, I think I I personally 495 00:21:11,510 --> 00:21:11,520 » So, um, yeah. So, I think I I personally 496 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:14,400 think that having the lines uh there 497 00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:18,000 would be very um 498 00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:20,320 great. It would be good for people who 499 00:21:20,320 --> 00:21:22,640 don't drive, people who want to 500 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,960 exercise, etc. Um to have that kind of 501 00:21:26,960 --> 00:21:31,019 uh just and it's just lines for now 502 00:21:31,019 --> 00:21:32,000 [laughter] 503 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,400 and with uh Kendrick's being down the 504 00:21:34,400 --> 00:21:34,880 road. 505 00:21:34,880 --> 00:21:35,190 >> Yeah. 506 00:21:35,190 --> 00:21:35,200 » Yeah. 507 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:36,549 >> In a few years. 508 00:21:36,549 --> 00:21:36,559 » In a few years. 509 00:21:36,559 --> 00:21:38,950 >> Yeah, that's the thing. Kendricks is of 510 00:21:38,950 --> 00:21:38,960 » Yeah, that's the thing. Kendricks is of 511 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:41,280 it. The report said 5 to 10 years. 512 00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,520 That's a long time. 513 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,350 >> Thank you. Okay. I have councelor 514 00:21:45,350 --> 00:21:45,360 » Thank you. Okay. I have councelor 515 00:21:45,360 --> 00:21:47,360 Lackey. 516 00:21:47,360 --> 00:21:49,510 >> Thank you. were shipped uh through you 517 00:21:49,510 --> 00:21:49,520 » Thank you. were shipped uh through you 518 00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:53,039 to the director. Um 519 00:21:53,039 --> 00:21:54,880 what would prevent I mean if we put the 520 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:56,880 lines on it's a it's a township park. 521 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,840 It's public park. Um what prevents 522 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:01,440 someone from going and buying a duffel 523 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:03,679 bag just like that one showing up to the 524 00:22:03,679 --> 00:22:05,200 park and putting their own net up and 525 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:09,110 playing to their heart's content 526 00:22:09,120 --> 00:22:10,320 » through your worship? Absolutely 527 00:22:10,320 --> 00:22:12,799 nothing. 528 00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:15,510 >> Okay. Any other questions from members 529 00:22:15,510 --> 00:22:15,520 » Okay. Any other questions from members 530 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,159 of council? 531 00:22:18,159 --> 00:22:20,400 Okay. Thank you very much, Miss Harvey. 532 00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:22,400 And we appreciate the delegation and we 533 00:22:22,400 --> 00:22:24,320 will be going into budget discussions 534 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:26,159 here in the next couple of weeks. So 535 00:22:26,159 --> 00:22:28,880 hopefully we'll have a better idea of 536 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:31,039 what the plans are going forward for 537 00:22:31,039 --> 00:22:32,080 2026. 538 00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,710 >> Thank you. So do we stay or do we leave? 539 00:22:34,710 --> 00:22:34,720 » Thank you. So do we stay or do we leave? 540 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:35,600 You [laughter] 541 00:22:35,600 --> 00:22:37,669 >> You're welcome to stay. We have other 542 00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:37,679 » You're welcome to stay. We have other 543 00:22:37,679 --> 00:22:39,120 things on the agenda, but 544 00:22:39,120 --> 00:22:40,070 >> this is done. 545 00:22:40,070 --> 00:22:40,080 » this is done. 546 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:42,390 >> Yeah. So the delegation is received and 547 00:22:42,390 --> 00:22:42,400 » Yeah. So the delegation is received and 548 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:45,039 then unless there's a motion made by any 549 00:22:45,039 --> 00:22:47,440 of the members of the uh council which 550 00:22:47,440 --> 00:22:49,440 could be made uh not tonight it has to 551 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,080 be a notice of motion um which has to go 552 00:22:52,080 --> 00:22:53,600 through the clerk which it would be on a 553 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:55,520 subsequent uh meeting date. 554 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:56,870 >> Okay. Well, thanks very much everybody. 555 00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:56,880 » Okay. Well, thanks very much everybody. 556 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,870 >> You're welcome. 557 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,880 » Okay. So, we have uh next uh item on the 558 00:23:04,880 --> 00:23:08,159 agenda is briefings from uh Katari 559 00:23:08,159 --> 00:23:09,520 Conservation Authority, David 560 00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:11,440 Ellingwood, who's here and joins us this 561 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,960 evening. Come on forward and we'll uh 562 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:21,990 get you set up on the screen. 563 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:26,230 There 564 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:26,880 you go. 565 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,310 >> Thanks so much for joining us this 566 00:23:28,310 --> 00:23:28,320 » Thanks so much for joining us this 567 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,350 evening. 568 00:23:31,360 --> 00:23:33,280 Uh thank you. 569 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,240 So um thank you members of council for 570 00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:38,000 inviting me to uh present some 571 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,919 information about Katarak Conservation's 572 00:23:39,919 --> 00:23:46,390 2026 draft budget. Uh 573 00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:49,200 so uh this evening I'll um go over our 574 00:23:49,200 --> 00:23:52,240 budget and I've also uh put a few slides 575 00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,240 at the tail end for some important 576 00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,000 legislative changes that have recently 577 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,679 been proposed for conservation 578 00:23:57,679 --> 00:23:59,919 authorities across the province. Um for 579 00:23:59,919 --> 00:24:02,559 our budget um as usual we try to 580 00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:04,880 maintain all the programs and services 581 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,919 that we that we have on the go and uh 582 00:24:07,919 --> 00:24:10,080 there's a few other items noted there. 583 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:11,760 At the bottom you'll see that our budget 584 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,760 vote is December 3rd. So that comes up 585 00:24:13,760 --> 00:24:18,159 on Wednesday um for our uh final budget 586 00:24:18,159 --> 00:24:20,400 vote. 587 00:24:20,400 --> 00:24:22,640 Uh under the conservation authorities 588 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,240 act we do have agreements with our 589 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,640 member municipalities for uh certain 590 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:29,919 services. Uh category one uh services 591 00:24:29,919 --> 00:24:32,880 are kind of mandatory ones. Uh ones that 592 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,440 address provincial uh responsibilities 593 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,120 uh things like drinking water source 594 00:24:37,120 --> 00:24:39,919 protection and plan review uh flood 595 00:24:39,919 --> 00:24:42,400 forecast and warning that sort of thing. 596 00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,799 Uh under category 2, we help a couple 597 00:24:44,799 --> 00:24:46,960 municipalities operate their water 598 00:24:46,960 --> 00:24:49,360 control structures. And under category 599 00:24:49,360 --> 00:24:51,360 three are locally supported services for 600 00:24:51,360 --> 00:24:53,840 things like education, uh public 601 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,799 programming and land stewardship. 602 00:24:56,799 --> 00:24:59,600 Uh 603 00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:02,880 so uh to the numbers uh quickly here. Um 604 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:05,840 our draft budget is $6.9 million for 605 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,960 2026. Uh we do have quite a bit that's 606 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,200 internal recovery. So kind of our net 607 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,120 amount if you will is around $5.5 608 00:25:13,120 --> 00:25:14,880 million. 609 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,039 Uh 610 00:25:17,039 --> 00:25:19,679 as a total for the municipal 611 00:25:19,679 --> 00:25:22,559 aortionments this year, uh it works out 612 00:25:22,559 --> 00:25:27,520 to a 4.6 six 4% uh increase overall and 613 00:25:27,520 --> 00:25:29,279 I'll show you the specific numbers for 614 00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:33,360 your township in a moment here. Uh we do 615 00:25:33,360 --> 00:25:36,240 have uh 1% that's helping us to phase in 616 00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:38,320 our new administration facility lease 617 00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:42,080 costs and also 1% that's phasing in a 618 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:43,760 permanent staff position in development 619 00:25:43,760 --> 00:25:45,760 review department 620 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:49,919 and those are part of the 4.6%. 621 00:25:49,919 --> 00:25:53,279 uh expenses are up uh just 1.3% 622 00:25:53,279 --> 00:25:57,669 year-over-year this year. 623 00:25:57,679 --> 00:26:00,400 So, uh on the graph, we're showing uh 624 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,000 the different proportions. As you can 625 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,919 see, municipalities uh pay half of the 626 00:26:05,919 --> 00:26:08,159 budget. Um if you're looking at the net 627 00:26:08,159 --> 00:26:10,240 budget, municipalities 628 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:13,760 uh are paying about 60% of our budget. 629 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,520 And this the uh small brown slice there 630 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:19,360 is the province. it works out to about 4 631 00:26:19,360 --> 00:26:24,880 and a.5% of our net budget. Uh we do uh 632 00:26:24,880 --> 00:26:27,840 uh have fees uh that that help out uh 633 00:26:27,840 --> 00:26:29,440 for things like development review and 634 00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,679 our uh public programming, our nature 635 00:26:31,679 --> 00:26:34,320 events uh contribute towards that. And 636 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,400 the other category that's things like uh 637 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:37,840 grants that we get. We've been 638 00:26:37,840 --> 00:26:39,840 successful at things like fragmitees 639 00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:42,080 control and other uh types of grants 640 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:45,520 like that as well as uh donations that 641 00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:48,640 contribute to that. 642 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,760 And then when we look at the uh the 643 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,720 total budget that we um are looking at 644 00:26:54,720 --> 00:26:57,520 uh from our municipal partners, these 645 00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:59,200 are a portion based on current value 646 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:01,440 assessment. The M&R provides that 647 00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:03,919 information to us. So they can fluctuate 648 00:27:03,919 --> 00:27:05,200 a little bit from year to year, but 649 00:27:05,200 --> 00:27:08,960 usually it's no more than uh 0.02 or 650 00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:11,600 three um for any one municipality uh 651 00:27:11,600 --> 00:27:13,520 changing year-over-year depending on 652 00:27:13,520 --> 00:27:17,269 your growth rate. 653 00:27:17,279 --> 00:27:21,279 So for less and thousand islands, uh the 654 00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:22,799 we'll kind of focus on the totals at the 655 00:27:22,799 --> 00:27:27,360 bottom there. So uh total uh $10,750 656 00:27:27,360 --> 00:27:31,360 increase uh in our aortionment request 657 00:27:31,360 --> 00:27:35,840 for 2026 works out to 5.77%. 658 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:37,520 Uh but then above that, it kind of 659 00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,799 breaks it down what those changes are uh 660 00:27:40,799 --> 00:27:44,000 coming from. Uh firstly there's uh the 661 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,960 category one just the mandatory programs 662 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:49,360 uh that's at 3.7%. 663 00:27:49,360 --> 00:27:51,360 Uh the larger one in the middle there 664 00:27:51,360 --> 00:27:54,640 you'll see 75% um is for water control 665 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:57,520 structures special levy. Uh that's 666 00:27:57,520 --> 00:28:02,080 $4,500 and that one in particular uh the 667 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,480 township contributes towards two water 668 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,919 control structures and shares that um 669 00:28:07,919 --> 00:28:10,720 with a few other municipalities. Uh so 670 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:12,720 for those we're looking at about four 671 00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:14,320 capital projects that are coming up in 672 00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,720 the next couple of years and the reserve 673 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,279 funds need to be brought up so that 674 00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:21,520 there's enough funds to to meet those 675 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:24,240 project requirements. So that's that's 676 00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:25,520 essentially what what you're seeing 677 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,320 there as that increase of $4,500 for 678 00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:33,269 2026. 679 00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:35,360 So uh within your uh special 680 00:28:35,360 --> 00:28:38,960 aortionments uh you support the uh uh 681 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,640 specific properties like the outlet boat 682 00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,640 ramp uh the two water control structures 683 00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:44,880 as mentioned there uh temperance lake 684 00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:47,760 and marsh lake uh you have 30% share of 685 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,559 the cost for those and then you also 686 00:28:50,559 --> 00:28:53,279 have your category 3 agreement um for 687 00:28:53,279 --> 00:28:55,600 local programs like education and 688 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,919 stewardship and watershed planning. 689 00:28:59,919 --> 00:29:02,399 Uh there's a slide here for the uh 690 00:29:02,399 --> 00:29:04,480 forecast upcoming expenses. You'll see 691 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,480 for 2026. 692 00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:10,159 Uh there's that large larger increase at 693 00:29:10,159 --> 00:29:11,679 the at the bottom there for special 694 00:29:11,679 --> 00:29:14,240 aortionment. Uh you'll note that is more 695 00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,520 of a a one-time thing and it uh it drops 696 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:20,320 off dramatically uh in the next uh three 697 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:26,230 fiscal years following. 698 00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:29,279 So um capital we try to fully uh 699 00:29:29,279 --> 00:29:31,279 forecast as much of it as we can using 700 00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:33,039 reserves and building those reserves so 701 00:29:33,039 --> 00:29:34,880 that they're ready when the when the 702 00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:39,919 time comes. Uh we do have some of our uh 703 00:29:39,919 --> 00:29:44,320 larger recreational uh assets that are 704 00:29:44,320 --> 00:29:47,520 struggling to to find uh enough capital 705 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:51,679 to uh uh to look at significant repairs 706 00:29:51,679 --> 00:29:53,279 that are coming up. So that those ones, 707 00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:54,960 we're looking at external grants to help 708 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,029 along with those ones. 709 00:29:59,039 --> 00:30:01,919 So, uh that's the 2026 budget and what 710 00:30:01,919 --> 00:30:04,240 that means for the township. Um in the 711 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:05,520 last few minutes here, I'll just look at 712 00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,760 some of the proposed uh changes to 713 00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,399 conservation authorities that are rather 714 00:30:10,399 --> 00:30:14,000 significant. Um so, Bill 68, schedule 3, 715 00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,320 it's passed third reading now, so it's 716 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:19,520 uh it's come to into law. Uh this will 717 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,440 establish a new provincial conservation 718 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,760 agency. The agency is going to have 719 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:26,559 oversight and strategic direction uh for 720 00:30:26,559 --> 00:30:28,000 conservation authorities in the 721 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,960 province. Uh it'll be 5 to 12 members 722 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,720 appointed by the minister. Uh it'll it 723 00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:36,640 can give directives to conservation 724 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,840 authorities and its primary goals are to 725 00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,360 reduce the number of municipalities that 726 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:42,640 have more than one conservation 727 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,559 authority. So where there's kind of 728 00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:46,640 overlap naturally where there's 729 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,919 watersheds uh it go water goes two ways 730 00:30:49,919 --> 00:30:51,440 and a municipality might get split 731 00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:54,000 between two conservation authorities. Uh 732 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:56,080 they're looking to have more consistency 733 00:30:56,080 --> 00:30:58,559 in the development review policies and 734 00:30:58,559 --> 00:31:00,799 the fees that we charge and they like to 735 00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:03,200 have one uh digital permit system across 736 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,710 the province. 737 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:10,159 Um so here's a just a few facts about 738 00:31:10,159 --> 00:31:12,240 cons cataka conservation. We do have 739 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:14,159 timely permit approvals. We meet the 740 00:31:14,159 --> 00:31:16,880 provincial targets in 99% 741 00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:20,080 of our uh development permits and we 742 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,039 average about 5 days, five business days 743 00:31:23,039 --> 00:31:25,120 to provide a permit. Once we have a 744 00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,600 complete application, it's 5 days for 745 00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,720 the uh proponent to get their uh permit 746 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,279 and letter approved. 747 00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:35,760 Uh for municipalities, when we're doing 748 00:31:35,760 --> 00:31:38,480 plan review, uh we're meeting your the 749 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,679 targets that you've set 90% of the time. 750 00:31:41,679 --> 00:31:43,840 Uh Kataraka Conservation has among the 751 00:31:43,840 --> 00:31:46,960 lowest fee schedules in the province. Uh 752 00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,760 because our uh we are a lean 753 00:31:49,760 --> 00:31:52,720 organization and our municipalities uh 754 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:55,279 in their governance of us have uh helped 755 00:31:55,279 --> 00:31:59,919 us to uh find a good balance uh for for 756 00:31:59,919 --> 00:32:02,320 fees that are affordable for the 757 00:32:02,320 --> 00:32:04,480 development community. Uh we have a high 758 00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:06,559 standard of customer service on our 759 00:32:06,559 --> 00:32:09,200 board. Each uh municipality is 760 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,840 represented on our board. There's uh 11 761 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:13,360 member municipalities and 17 762 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,880 representatives. 763 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,519 Uh we've we keep up to date on our flood 764 00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:19,120 plane mapping. We've recently completed 765 00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:22,320 the St. Lawrence River. Um but we are 766 00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,120 mindful of uh local finances. So the the 767 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,640 Ganonway system could use new mapping. 768 00:32:28,640 --> 00:32:30,960 But because you recently contributed 769 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:32,880 significantly to the St. Lawrence one, 770 00:32:32,880 --> 00:32:35,600 that would be something we might put off 771 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,039 for a little bit. um because we you know 772 00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:42,080 we know that uh we can't draw that kind 773 00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,200 of capital every uh very often. Uh and 774 00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:46,799 we also have a 60-year history with 775 00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:48,399 strong ties to local groups and 776 00:32:48,399 --> 00:32:50,000 communities. 777 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,399 So the proposal that they have is to 778 00:32:52,399 --> 00:32:54,960 actually consolidate the 36 conservation 779 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:56,480 authorities in the province down to 780 00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:57,919 seven. 781 00:32:57,919 --> 00:33:01,679 Uh so you on the the map you have um 782 00:33:01,679 --> 00:33:03,760 Toronto is the central lake Ontario 783 00:33:03,760 --> 00:33:06,320 around the golden horseshoe you have one 784 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:09,840 um lake Erie runs from uh almost 785 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,640 Collingwood all the way down to Windsor 786 00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:16,720 and Lake Hiron includes uh places from 787 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:19,600 Grand Ben to Berry up to Thunder Bay. So 788 00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:22,480 rather large uh our area is known as the 789 00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:24,320 St. Lawrence region regional 790 00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:26,559 conservation authority and it would 791 00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:30,559 combine Kataraki uh Mississippi RTO 792 00:33:30,559 --> 00:33:32,880 South Nation and Raisin River all into 793 00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:35,519 one an area about 18,000 square 794 00:33:35,519 --> 00:33:37,440 kilometers. 795 00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,840 Uh 796 00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,799 uh so there's the map there running from 797 00:33:42,799 --> 00:33:44,960 uh near Napony 798 00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,480 uh almost to Arri and out to the Quebec 799 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:52,000 border. Um there's 46 municipalities in 800 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:55,279 there. Uh 801 00:33:55,279 --> 00:33:57,760 boardwise, there's over 70 uh 802 00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,159 representatives on those five boards. If 803 00:34:00,159 --> 00:34:02,240 you combine them all and go with the 804 00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,320 conservation author conservation 805 00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,559 authorities act formula, there'd still 806 00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:08,240 be over 70 representatives. Clearly, 807 00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:10,879 that's too big. And one thing that 808 00:34:10,879 --> 00:34:13,760 you'll likely see if this comes along is 809 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:16,320 that uh local representation will be 810 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,040 drastically cut. you you can't have a 811 00:34:19,040 --> 00:34:21,200 functional board with over 70 members. 812 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,359 It would, you know, maybe 20 and you'd 813 00:34:23,359 --> 00:34:26,560 have to have some type of uh local or 814 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:29,280 countywide representation uh on that 815 00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,839 board. 816 00:34:31,839 --> 00:34:34,879 Uh so, uh this proposal is uh currently 817 00:34:34,879 --> 00:34:36,800 on the environmental registry. Uh the 818 00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:38,800 the number for it is up there. Uh 819 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:40,639 there's a comment period open until 820 00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:42,639 December 22nd and they're looking at 821 00:34:42,639 --> 00:34:46,639 five principal things. um this is 822 00:34:46,639 --> 00:34:49,359 assuming it's going forward uh is um 823 00:34:49,359 --> 00:34:50,639 what would what would make for a 824 00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:52,159 successful transition? What are some of 825 00:34:52,159 --> 00:34:53,679 the opportunities or benefits from 826 00:34:53,679 --> 00:34:55,679 having these regions? What would the 827 00:34:55,679 --> 00:34:57,839 government structure look like? Uh how 828 00:34:57,839 --> 00:34:59,680 can we have transparent and consultative 829 00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,000 budgeting? And how do we maintain the 830 00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,680 strong relationships that currently 831 00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,680 exist? So all interesting questions. Um, 832 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,680 some of them are maybe a little hard to 833 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,119 do on on a very big regional scale such 834 00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:16,560 as that. But, uh, that's about as much 835 00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:18,560 information as there is. Uh, they're 836 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,800 really looking for input and a lot of 837 00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:22,800 the the details and how this would 838 00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:24,800 actually happen would need to be worked 839 00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,839 out once this uh, new agency is set up. 840 00:35:29,839 --> 00:35:31,440 But, thank you very much for your 841 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:34,790 attention. 842 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,520 Thank you very much for delegation. Um I 843 00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:40,240 believe the consultation 844 00:35:40,240 --> 00:35:46,160 uh it's this week in Ottawa, isn't it? 845 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:47,680 Yeah, we're just trying to look up the 846 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:51,599 date. So um so questions. I had one from 847 00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:53,119 councelor maybe and then deputy mayor 848 00:35:53,119 --> 00:35:55,119 FOD. I'm not sure if anybody on this 849 00:35:55,119 --> 00:35:56,560 side. So go ahead. 850 00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:57,910 >> Thank you, Madame Mayor. And through you 851 00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:57,920 » Thank you, Madame Mayor. And through you 852 00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,920 I have a couple questions. Uh the first 853 00:35:59,920 --> 00:36:02,800 one is why is there no federal money to 854 00:36:02,800 --> 00:36:05,599 the agency you know it's out of your pie 855 00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:08,320 chart that there's no no federal money. 856 00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:12,230 >> Okay to so uh federal money uh only 857 00:36:12,230 --> 00:36:12,240 » Okay to so uh federal money uh only 858 00:36:12,240 --> 00:36:14,480 comes when we get grants. So that would 859 00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,560 be either an employment grant um 860 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,960 sometimes there's uh grants we might get 861 00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:20,800 for climate change that sort of thing. 862 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,720 Um we are partnering with uh South 863 00:36:22,720 --> 00:36:24,000 Nation and a bunch of eastern 864 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,839 conservation authorities. So, uh, with 865 00:36:25,839 --> 00:36:28,800 with a federal grant that's offered to, 866 00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,920 uh, land owners, uh, for trees and shrub 867 00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,320 planting and wetland creation, um, that 868 00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:35,520 doesn't show up on ours because the 869 00:36:35,520 --> 00:36:37,119 money's gone to South Nation. 870 00:36:37,119 --> 00:36:38,950 >> As a follow-up, u, but the federal 871 00:36:38,950 --> 00:36:38,960 » As a follow-up, u, but the federal 872 00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:40,960 government doesn't give you a yearly 873 00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,599 amount and never have or 874 00:36:43,599 --> 00:36:45,430 >> That's correct. Yeah, there's never been 875 00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:45,440 » That's correct. Yeah, there's never been 876 00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:46,960 federal federal contribution. 877 00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:47,990 >> That's unfortunate. [clears throat] Uh, 878 00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:48,000 » That's unfortunate. [clears throat] Uh, 879 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:50,480 second question was, uh, with the new 880 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:52,400 structure that you have, uh, here for 881 00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:54,400 the St. Lawrence Regional Conservation 882 00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:56,720 Authority, which will end up being 883 00:36:56,720 --> 00:36:59,200 possibly uh the Homes Quicker bill that 884 00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,920 was actually um put in place there a 885 00:37:01,920 --> 00:37:04,720 couple years ago. How's that affected 886 00:37:04,720 --> 00:37:05,920 or is it? 887 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:07,990 >> Thank you. Through your worship. Um 888 00:37:07,990 --> 00:37:08,000 » Thank you. Through your worship. Um 889 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,560 yeah, so the um more homes built faster 890 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,880 or there's been a few of them. Uh 891 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:18,000 it it hasn't significantly uh changed. 892 00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:21,280 uh some things in say uh the types of 893 00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:24,079 permits for minor projects um people 894 00:37:24,079 --> 00:37:25,520 don't need to get those but that really 895 00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:27,920 hasn't um made a change in the number of 896 00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:29,839 permits it's still fairly active 897 00:37:29,839 --> 00:37:32,800 development wise uh in our region 898 00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,030 >> uh just as a followup uh with that bill 899 00:37:35,030 --> 00:37:35,040 » uh just as a followup uh with that bill 900 00:37:35,040 --> 00:37:37,520 it actually decreased some of your power 901 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:39,280 and I wondered if you are getting any 902 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,680 more of that back with this new uh 903 00:37:41,680 --> 00:37:42,880 region that you're having 904 00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:45,829 >> okay through your worship um so uh yeah 905 00:37:45,829 --> 00:37:45,839 » okay through your worship um so uh yeah 906 00:37:45,839 --> 00:37:47,440 so one of the things that it took away 907 00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,520 was the natural heritage review from 908 00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:52,720 conservation authorities. Um, 909 00:37:52,720 --> 00:37:54,480 yeah, I don't think we're getting that 910 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:55,520 back. I think it was a political 911 00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,240 decision not for us, not just that we 912 00:37:58,240 --> 00:37:59,599 wouldn't do it, but that we 913 00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:02,640 municipalities cannot have conservation 914 00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:04,880 authorities do it. And, you know, 915 00:38:04,880 --> 00:38:08,640 anecdotally, um, it may be causing uh, 916 00:38:08,640 --> 00:38:12,240 longer delays and and, uh, double study 917 00:38:12,240 --> 00:38:13,920 expenses for proponents. 918 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:15,430 >> Okay. Thank you very much, 919 00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:15,440 » Okay. Thank you very much, 920 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,510 >> Deputy Mayor. Go ahead. Thank you, 921 00:38:17,510 --> 00:38:17,520 » Deputy Mayor. Go ahead. Thank you, 922 00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:20,400 worshiper through you. On this new 923 00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:22,640 proposed structure, 924 00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:24,640 I assume that the province and their 925 00:38:24,640 --> 00:38:26,720 wisdom is looking at cutting staff 926 00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:30,160 significantly as well. And if so, how do 927 00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:32,880 we maintain the good relationship your 928 00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,520 organization has Katar Rockway with our 929 00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,520 staff here in the planning department? 930 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,520 As you had indicated, turnaround time is 931 00:38:39,520 --> 00:38:41,359 5 days. 932 00:38:41,359 --> 00:38:43,839 It would be nightmarish to think what 933 00:38:43,839 --> 00:38:46,480 would happen if they intend to run 10 or 934 00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:49,119 15 staff members to cover a whole 935 00:38:49,119 --> 00:38:51,839 region. What were your thoughts on that? 936 00:38:51,839 --> 00:38:53,599 What would your thoughts be on that? 937 00:38:53,599 --> 00:38:56,390 >> Thank you. Through your worship. Uh so 938 00:38:56,390 --> 00:38:56,400 » Thank you. Through your worship. Uh so 939 00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,119 the the minister in his announcement 940 00:38:59,119 --> 00:39:01,280 said that there would be no job 941 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:06,320 reductions. Um and as a followup uh it 942 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:07,520 was also indicated in one of the 943 00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:10,160 sessions that there uh the province 944 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:14,000 would not dictate any closure of local 945 00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:18,320 offices. So if if those are both uh 946 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,119 factual statements um then uh that would 947 00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:23,920 be good and if it if it can be left to 948 00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:26,160 the region on you know if there's a new 949 00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:28,960 region you're adding some bureaucracy up 950 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:33,440 there but um to to actually function you 951 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,040 can't operate your conservation 952 00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,119 properties from afar. You need a local 953 00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:38,880 base to do that. If you're doing 954 00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:40,960 development review, 955 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,359 uh having off having basically the 956 00:39:43,359 --> 00:39:44,720 number of offices that there would be 957 00:39:44,720 --> 00:39:47,839 now um is probably the most efficient 958 00:39:47,839 --> 00:39:50,079 because right now our staff can travel 959 00:39:50,079 --> 00:39:52,240 an hour either way to get there. It 960 00:39:52,240 --> 00:39:53,839 would be the same with the other ones. 961 00:39:53,839 --> 00:39:56,800 So it's it's already a fairly efficient 962 00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:58,800 structure that way in terms of uh 963 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,440 travel. And then the local knowledge uh 964 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:04,560 we assign planners specifically to each 965 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,359 of our municipalities so they develop 966 00:40:07,359 --> 00:40:10,480 even stronger relation uh rapport with 967 00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:13,680 uh your municipal staff and have a 968 00:40:13,680 --> 00:40:15,839 really good knowledge of what's going on 969 00:40:15,839 --> 00:40:18,800 uh in each community. 970 00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,470 >> Well, that's encouraging. I'm glad to 971 00:40:20,470 --> 00:40:20,480 » Well, that's encouraging. I'm glad to 972 00:40:20,480 --> 00:40:22,160 know that they've at least stated they 973 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,800 don't intend to cut staff and and thus 974 00:40:24,800 --> 00:40:26,880 spread the workload out to a larger 975 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:29,839 jurisdiction, which would be would be 976 00:40:29,839 --> 00:40:32,079 questionable to get the same service. Um 977 00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:34,800 that that's encouraging because when you 978 00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:36,079 read something like what the province 979 00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:38,560 has in mind here, the old adage, the 980 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:40,640 government's here to help, that that's 981 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:43,520 enough to scare most people. But uh 982 00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:46,160 we'll hope for the best and and uh 983 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:47,599 hopefully we can maintain the good 984 00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:50,000 relationship that our staff has with 985 00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,680 your office. Now, thank you. 986 00:40:51,680 --> 00:40:52,470 >> Okay, 987 00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:52,480 » Okay, 988 00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:55,670 >> any other questions? 989 00:40:55,670 --> 00:40:55,680 » any other questions? 990 00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:58,880 I have no other hands up. So, thank you 991 00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,160 very much for your presentation and um I 992 00:41:02,160 --> 00:41:04,079 guess our board meeting is on December 993 00:41:04,079 --> 00:41:06,480 11th, the next one. I believe 994 00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,230 >> uh it's on Wednesday night. 995 00:41:08,230 --> 00:41:08,240 » uh it's on Wednesday night. 996 00:41:08,240 --> 00:41:08,950 >> Yeah, 997 00:41:08,950 --> 00:41:08,960 » Yeah, 998 00:41:08,960 --> 00:41:10,630 >> Monday. Uh Wednesday the 3. 999 00:41:10,630 --> 00:41:10,640 » Monday. Uh Wednesday the 3. 1000 00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:12,309 >> Oh, Wednesday. But there's a secondary 1001 00:41:12,309 --> 00:41:12,319 » Oh, Wednesday. But there's a secondary 1002 00:41:12,319 --> 00:41:14,480 meeting as well we have on the 11th. 1003 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,319 Sorry, I was thinking about that. 1004 00:41:16,319 --> 00:41:18,069 >> Um because we're trying to squeeze it 1005 00:41:18,069 --> 00:41:18,079 » Um because we're trying to squeeze it 1006 00:41:18,079 --> 00:41:21,760 all in for the end of December. Um so we 1007 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,920 appreciate uh your time and attention to 1008 00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,319 the budget. Um we know it's difficult 1009 00:41:26,319 --> 00:41:29,680 times when there's uh so much more to 1010 00:41:29,680 --> 00:41:32,400 do. Um it will be interesting to see how 1011 00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,560 the consultation process goes in the 1012 00:41:34,560 --> 00:41:37,440 meantime. Sound. 1013 00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,550 >> Okay. Next item on the agenda is public 1014 00:41:40,550 --> 00:41:40,560 » Okay. Next item on the agenda is public 1015 00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,359 meeting and the motion is moved by 1016 00:41:43,359 --> 00:41:45,680 councelor Kelman, seconded by councelor 1017 00:41:45,680 --> 00:41:47,680 Lackey that the public meeting be called 1018 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,520 to order at 6:40 p.m. 1019 00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,720 All those in favor? All those opposed? 1020 00:41:54,720 --> 00:41:57,599 And it is carried. So we are now in the 1021 00:41:57,599 --> 00:42:00,319 public meeting portion of the committee 1022 00:42:00,319 --> 00:42:02,079 the whole 1023 00:42:02,079 --> 00:42:05,599 um and we are going to the zoning bylaw 1024 00:42:05,599 --> 00:42:10,240 amendment seven bulls island. So if you 1025 00:42:10,240 --> 00:42:12,880 have anything to discuss at this point I 1026 00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:18,790 will turn to planning staff. 1027 00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:21,680 There we go. Thank you. Thank you madame 1028 00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,000 mayor and through you. The subject of 1029 00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,160 this public meeting is a proposed zoning 1030 00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,000 bylaw amendment for the property 1031 00:42:28,000 --> 00:42:31,119 municipally known as Seven Bulls Island. 1032 00:42:31,119 --> 00:42:33,520 The property is approximately 0.4 1033 00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:35,599 hectares and contains an existing 1034 00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:38,079 dwelling with attached uncovered 1035 00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:42,640 decking, a storage shed, and two docks. 1036 00:42:42,640 --> 00:42:45,119 The zone change is proposed for the site 1037 00:42:45,119 --> 00:42:48,319 um to change the zoning from from an 1038 00:42:48,319 --> 00:42:50,560 island residential zone to a special 1039 00:42:50,560 --> 00:42:52,960 exception island residential zone. And 1040 00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:55,280 that would facilitate zoning relief for 1041 00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:57,680 a proposed 46.7 1042 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,160 meter sleeping cabin with attached 1043 00:43:00,160 --> 00:43:03,440 covered decking as well as a detached 1044 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:05,440 sauna and some additional decking 1045 00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:15,109 attached to the primary dwelling. 1046 00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:17,839 So this is the proposed plot plan 1047 00:43:17,839 --> 00:43:21,280 showing the proposed sleeping cabin 1048 00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:25,040 um and the sauna. 1049 00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:27,520 Uh and then there's additional decking 1050 00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:31,359 that was constructed in 2021 1051 00:43:31,359 --> 00:43:33,599 um in the absence of municipal and 1052 00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:36,240 agency approvals that's proposed to be 1053 00:43:36,240 --> 00:43:38,480 uh folded into this zoning bylaw 1054 00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,280 amendment. 1055 00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,520 With respect to notice, uh staff could 1056 00:43:43,520 --> 00:43:45,359 confirm that notice of this public 1057 00:43:45,359 --> 00:43:47,040 meeting was provided in accordance with 1058 00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,160 the planning act. And to date, um, staff 1059 00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:53,040 received one email with some questions 1060 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,200 for clarification on the details of the 1061 00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:57,520 proposal and staff did respond to 1062 00:43:57,520 --> 00:43:59,119 provide that clarification and 1063 00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:01,839 additional links for the resident to 1064 00:44:01,839 --> 00:44:05,200 access the supporting information um for 1065 00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:07,920 the application. I believe the applicant 1066 00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:11,440 is online uh this evening and staff as 1067 00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,079 well would be um available to address 1068 00:44:14,079 --> 00:44:16,560 any questions of the public or the 1069 00:44:16,560 --> 00:44:18,720 committee the whole. Thank you. So, 1070 00:44:18,720 --> 00:44:22,160 we'll go to uh council questions. Uh if 1071 00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:24,160 anybody has a question in regards to 1072 00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:26,000 this application, if you could please 1073 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,800 raise your hand. And we'll also ask that 1074 00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,839 anyone online that is here to have any 1075 00:44:31,839 --> 00:44:34,160 questions answered online, please use 1076 00:44:34,160 --> 00:44:35,839 the raise your hand function and then 1077 00:44:35,839 --> 00:44:38,800 we'll get to you after we have uh got 1078 00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:43,520 through council questions. So, 1079 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,760 I'll give everybody a minute. Uh, Deputy 1080 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:47,760 Mayor Fod, go ahead. 1081 00:44:47,760 --> 00:44:50,470 >> Thank you, worship, and through you. 1082 00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:50,480 » Thank you, worship, and through you. 1083 00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:53,200 This, uh, small aotment of land has a 1084 00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:55,760 lot of activity going on it. Can I ask 1085 00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,599 what uh, brought this about? Has there 1086 00:44:57,599 --> 00:44:59,440 been a change of ownership in the 1087 00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:06,230 property? 1088 00:45:06,240 --> 00:45:08,560 » Through you, Madame Mayor. Uh, not to my 1089 00:45:08,560 --> 00:45:10,800 knowledge. uh staff have been working 1090 00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:12,880 with the applicant for some time through 1091 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,359 the pre-conultation process and 1092 00:45:15,359 --> 00:45:17,520 application submission and review 1093 00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:20,400 leading up to this meeting this evening. 1094 00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,349 >> So it would be assumed that there was 1095 00:45:23,349 --> 00:45:23,359 » So it would be assumed that there was 1096 00:45:23,359 --> 00:45:25,920 some non-compliancy that was noticed by 1097 00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:28,480 staff from the water that brought this 1098 00:45:28,480 --> 00:45:31,520 to light. Is that what we're 1099 00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:33,760 expecting here? this is a brand new 1100 00:45:33,760 --> 00:45:36,079 build or it's an existing structure 1101 00:45:36,079 --> 00:45:38,880 coming into compliance 1102 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,309 >> through you madame mayor um the proposal 1103 00:45:42,309 --> 00:45:42,319 » through you madame mayor um the proposal 1104 00:45:42,319 --> 00:45:44,079 came forward the applicant was 1105 00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:45,760 interested in constructing a sleeping 1106 00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,960 cabin on on the property and staff did 1107 00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,319 complete a a site visit um with the 1108 00:45:52,319 --> 00:45:55,119 property owner and 1109 00:45:55,119 --> 00:45:57,760 uh through a walkound of the property it 1110 00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:59,440 was discussed that there was additional 1111 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,400 decking that was constructed in 2021. So 1112 00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:04,640 that's the extent of the existing 1113 00:46:04,640 --> 00:46:06,240 construction on the property that has to 1114 00:46:06,240 --> 00:46:08,319 be is proposed to be recognized through 1115 00:46:08,319 --> 00:46:10,880 this application. The remainder of the 1116 00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,800 construction has yet to occur including 1117 00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:14,240 the sleeping cabin. 1118 00:46:14,240 --> 00:46:16,390 >> So the sleeping cabin does not exist at 1119 00:46:16,390 --> 00:46:16,400 » So the sleeping cabin does not exist at 1120 00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,720 this point but when they were there they 1121 00:46:18,720 --> 00:46:21,119 found some other stuff that had happened 1122 00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:25,839 without permitting. So, um, but as you 1123 00:46:25,839 --> 00:46:27,920 just mentioned, this is to wrap 1124 00:46:27,920 --> 00:46:30,480 everything up in a bow, if you will, and 1125 00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,520 allow for the sleeping cabin to be 1126 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:36,240 constructed should this pass. Well, this 1127 00:46:36,240 --> 00:46:37,760 is the public meeting. Nothing's going 1128 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:39,520 to pass here. This is for information. 1129 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,200 So, 1130 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:44,880 any further comments or discussion? 1131 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:46,319 Go ahead, councelor maybe. 1132 00:46:46,319 --> 00:46:47,990 >> Uh, thank you, Madam Madame Mayor. and 1133 00:46:47,990 --> 00:46:48,000 » Uh, thank you, Madam Madame Mayor. and 1134 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,079 through you. Uh the uh the high 1135 00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:52,079 watermark is is well out of the range of 1136 00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:54,160 this particular build uh with the rock 1137 00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,532 face that they have on this. So uh I 1138 00:46:56,532 --> 00:46:58,560 [clears throat] think it's um a great 1139 00:46:58,560 --> 00:47:01,119 place to uh to have and with the photos 1140 00:47:01,119 --> 00:47:04,480 that were provided, it indicated a a 1141 00:47:04,480 --> 00:47:07,599 quite a great view of the river and uh 1142 00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:11,440 to enjoy. So I think it's a uh 1143 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,680 appropriate uh ask. 1144 00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,349 >> Okay. Further comments or questions? 1145 00:47:17,349 --> 00:47:17,359 » Okay. Further comments or questions? 1146 00:47:17,359 --> 00:47:20,319 Seeing none, um I'll put them uh there's 1147 00:47:20,319 --> 00:47:21,839 nothing online. I just thought I'd 1148 00:47:21,839 --> 00:47:24,640 double check. There's no hands up. Okay. 1149 00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:26,800 So, with that, um we'll put the motion 1150 00:47:26,800 --> 00:47:29,760 forward to uh that the public meeting be 1151 00:47:29,760 --> 00:47:32,240 closed. Motion is made by councelor 1152 00:47:32,240 --> 00:47:34,640 Lackey, seconded by councelor Kelman. 1153 00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:38,160 All those in favor? All those opposed? 1154 00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,880 And it is carried. So, we are back in 1155 00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,440 the regularly scheduled committee. the 1156 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,240 whole meeting and we're on number nine, 1157 00:47:46,240 --> 00:47:50,319 staff reports, which is the uh public 1158 00:47:50,319 --> 00:47:53,119 meeting I um item we just discussed, 1159 00:47:53,119 --> 00:48:02,550 zoning bylaw amendment application D13. 1160 00:48:02,560 --> 00:48:04,960 Uh so the zoning bylaw amendment 1161 00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:07,119 application D132025- 1162 00:48:07,119 --> 00:48:10,480 Z001 civic address 7 Bulls Island and 1163 00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,160 the motion comes forward from councelor 1164 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,240 Lackey seconded by councelor Kelman that 1165 00:48:14,240 --> 00:48:15,359 the committee of the whole recommends 1166 00:48:15,359 --> 00:48:16,880 that council approve zoning bylaw 1167 00:48:16,880 --> 00:48:21,119 amendment application D14 2025-001 1168 00:48:21,119 --> 00:48:23,200 for the property municipally known as 7 1169 00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:25,200 Bulls Island to amend the existing 1170 00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,079 island residential RARI zone for of the 1171 00:48:28,079 --> 00:48:29,839 property to an island residential 1172 00:48:29,839 --> 00:48:33,520 special exception 39 RI-39 1173 00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:35,359 zone and that the committee of the whole 1174 00:48:35,359 --> 00:48:36,720 recommends that council further amend 1175 00:48:36,720 --> 00:48:39,680 bylaw number 07-079 1176 00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:41,599 zoning bylaw of the corporation of the 1177 00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:42,880 township of Leeds in the Thousand 1178 00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,760 Islands as amended as per exhibit F 1179 00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:48,800 draft bylaw and schedule A to report 1180 00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,520 number 2025-086 1181 00:48:51,520 --> 00:48:52,720 and that the committee of the whole 1182 00:48:52,720 --> 00:48:54,079 recommends that council grant three 1183 00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:56,319 readings and final passage to amending 1184 00:48:56,319 --> 00:48:59,673 to the amending bylaw. It's a lot. 1185 00:48:59,673 --> 00:49:00,960 [laughter] 1186 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:02,948 So, uh, go ahead, m Madame 1187 00:49:02,948 --> 00:49:04,800 [clears throat] Planner. 1188 00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:05,829 >> Thank you. And through you, Madame 1189 00:49:05,829 --> 00:49:05,839 » Thank you. And through you, Madame 1190 00:49:05,839 --> 00:49:09,119 Mayor. Um, just staff wanted to, um, 1191 00:49:09,119 --> 00:49:12,400 mention that the bylaw has been updated 1192 00:49:12,400 --> 00:49:14,880 today. Uh, the applicant did request 1193 00:49:14,880 --> 00:49:16,880 zoning relief for the maximum height of 1194 00:49:16,880 --> 00:49:20,079 the sleeping cabin. The zoning bylaw 1195 00:49:20,079 --> 00:49:22,559 permits a maximum height of 5 m and the 1196 00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:24,960 application did request a maximum height 1197 00:49:24,960 --> 00:49:28,319 of 5.4. And so the bylaw has been 1198 00:49:28,319 --> 00:49:31,280 updated to reflect that. Okay. Thank you 1199 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:33,440 for that clarity. Any further comments 1200 00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,200 or questions in regard to this item? Go 1201 00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:36,640 ahead, councelor Lackey. 1202 00:49:36,640 --> 00:49:38,150 >> Thank you. Worship through you. I 1203 00:49:38,150 --> 00:49:38,160 » Thank you. Worship through you. I 1204 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:40,559 apologize. I was hoping uh I should have 1205 00:49:40,559 --> 00:49:42,160 asked it earlier while the gentleman 1206 00:49:42,160 --> 00:49:44,400 from CRCA was here. Um when they talk 1207 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,440 about high water mark, how can they 1208 00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,000 justify that when it's controlled by 1209 00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:53,270 Dan? 1210 00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:55,280 » Yeah, we should asked that question when 1211 00:49:55,280 --> 00:49:57,359 he was here. 1212 00:49:57,359 --> 00:49:59,680 I'm I mean it's control. If the water's 1213 00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:02,559 high, you open the dam. 1214 00:50:02,559 --> 00:50:04,960 It's damn hard to figure it out. Anyway, 1215 00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:05,599 just 1216 00:50:05,599 --> 00:50:07,109 >> there's no swearing at this council 1217 00:50:07,109 --> 00:50:07,119 » there's no swearing at this council 1218 00:50:07,119 --> 00:50:10,000 table. All [laughter] 1219 00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:13,270 >> um the same things to go with wave 1220 00:50:13,270 --> 00:50:13,280 » um the same things to go with wave 1221 00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:14,720 upbrush as well. It's just 1222 00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:17,109 >> fair enough. And the same the same 1223 00:50:17,109 --> 00:50:17,119 » fair enough. And the same the same 1224 00:50:17,119 --> 00:50:20,400 challenge uh obviously is something that 1225 00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,559 we are faced with on the St. Louis River 1226 00:50:22,559 --> 00:50:24,559 which is also 1227 00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:28,400 Yes. But the people downstream really 1228 00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:30,079 get upset if you open them at full 1229 00:50:30,079 --> 00:50:32,240 force. [laughter] 1230 00:50:32,240 --> 00:50:35,680 No, we haven't. Um, okay. Matter at 1231 00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:37,839 hand. Go ahead, Deputy Mayor. 1232 00:50:37,839 --> 00:50:38,950 >> Thank you. We're shipping it through 1233 00:50:38,950 --> 00:50:38,960 » Thank you. We're shipping it through 1234 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:41,359 you. I have a lot of questions about 1235 00:50:41,359 --> 00:50:43,920 this property, but what I do have is a 1236 00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:46,480 lot of faith in our staff. I know that 1237 00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,119 they know the rules better than I and u 1238 00:50:49,119 --> 00:50:50,880 they know what they're looking for 1239 00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:56,800 before and after. So um I will uh I will 1240 00:50:56,800 --> 00:50:58,960 step down about a lot of things I would 1241 00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:00,720 like to say about this application and 1242 00:51:00,720 --> 00:51:02,400 and put it in the hands of those that 1243 00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:04,960 know. So thank you. 1244 00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:11,430 >> Any further comments or questions? 1245 00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,119 » Okay. So we have the applicant with 1246 00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:15,920 their hand up. Uh we have Michael 1247 00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:20,480 Clancy. Uh, so I'll recognize Michael in 1248 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:22,319 order to 1249 00:51:22,319 --> 00:51:24,000 um we're just getting the clerk to 1250 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,480 unmute you, so just bear with us a few 1251 00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:30,309 seconds. 1252 00:51:30,319 --> 00:51:32,079 » Okay, there we go. And you're unmuted. 1253 00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:33,599 You're ready to go. 1254 00:51:33,599 --> 00:51:35,510 >> Okay, thank you. Um, good evening, your 1255 00:51:35,510 --> 00:51:35,520 » Okay, thank you. Um, good evening, your 1256 00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:38,400 worship and council members. Um, I I 1257 00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,079 just wanted to answer a couple of 1258 00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:43,599 questions uh that were raised. Um first 1259 00:51:43,599 --> 00:51:47,520 um my wife and I purchased the college 1260 00:51:47,520 --> 00:51:52,079 uh 23 years ago. Um we uh we then 1261 00:51:52,079 --> 00:51:56,000 proceeded to have uh uh six children. Um 1262 00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,400 so the the purpose of the sleeping cabin 1263 00:51:58,400 --> 00:52:03,280 is uh is it our our original cottage 1264 00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:05,119 that's still there. It was built in the 1265 00:52:05,119 --> 00:52:08,880 1950s. It's a very modest, very small 1266 00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:12,079 cottage with two bedrooms. Um, and so 1267 00:52:12,079 --> 00:52:14,640 we're literally now just bursting at the 1268 00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:18,079 seams. Um, especially as our kids get 1269 00:52:18,079 --> 00:52:20,960 older and and come back to the island 1270 00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,040 with um, you know, with with their 1271 00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:26,480 significant others. Um, so that's that's 1272 00:52:26,480 --> 00:52:30,559 our makeup. Um, with regard to the high 1273 00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:34,480 water mark question, um, the uh, 1274 00:52:34,480 --> 00:52:37,839 sleeping cabin is proposed to be built 1275 00:52:37,839 --> 00:52:40,640 on the highest location on the island. 1276 00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:46,240 Um, that location is uh at least 1277 00:52:46,240 --> 00:52:49,200 uh I'm going to say at least 1278 00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:53,920 maybe 40 feet from the actual uh highest 1279 00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:55,839 level of water that I've seen there in 1280 00:52:55,839 --> 00:52:58,640 the last 23 years. Um it it's just 1281 00:52:58,640 --> 00:53:02,319 simply nowhere close to the to the uh 1282 00:53:02,319 --> 00:53:05,680 high water park um at all. It's it's a 1283 00:53:05,680 --> 00:53:08,800 literally a rock face that that is um 1284 00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:12,720 that is uh I'm going to say 40 feet from 1285 00:53:12,720 --> 00:53:17,200 from from the water. Um the the uh uh 1286 00:53:17,200 --> 00:53:19,839 and then finally as to the the 1287 00:53:19,839 --> 00:53:22,240 additional decking that we constructed 1288 00:53:22,240 --> 00:53:28,480 in 2021. Um we did that in COVID. Uh it 1289 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:31,440 was uh there was the the rules were so 1290 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:37,200 strict with regard to um having uh uh 1291 00:53:37,200 --> 00:53:40,800 people over and distancing that we added 1292 00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:44,880 a a portion to the deck. Um uh and that 1293 00:53:44,880 --> 00:53:49,920 was done just uh uh during and for uh co 1294 00:53:49,920 --> 00:53:52,160 um again the the cottage itself 1295 00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:54,480 including the decking I appreciate on a 1296 00:53:54,480 --> 00:53:56,720 map might look like a lot going on but 1297 00:53:56,720 --> 00:53:58,960 it's actually exceptionally modest 1298 00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,839 compared to a lot of the of the cottages 1299 00:54:01,839 --> 00:54:03,599 that are on the lake and it wouldn't 1300 00:54:03,599 --> 00:54:05,520 even come close to cottages that you'd 1301 00:54:05,520 --> 00:54:09,040 see in u on the St. Lawrence. It's just 1302 00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:12,400 a very modest 1950s build with with two 1303 00:54:12,400 --> 00:54:16,240 bedrooms and with uh some some uh small 1304 00:54:16,240 --> 00:54:19,440 decking around the outside. Um we are it 1305 00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:21,760 is an island. Uh it's one acre, just 1306 00:54:21,760 --> 00:54:24,640 over an acre. We're the only uh cottage 1307 00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:30,319 on the island. Um and uh it it's it's um 1308 00:54:30,319 --> 00:54:32,240 it's proved to be a great place for our 1309 00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:34,240 family and we would be exceptionally 1310 00:54:34,240 --> 00:54:37,359 grateful uh to the committee um if it 1311 00:54:37,359 --> 00:54:39,680 permits. uh these exceptions to the 1312 00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,319 zoning bylaw. Um, and we're very 1313 00:54:42,319 --> 00:54:44,880 grateful to the staff uh of both the 1314 00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:49,440 township and the uh uh uh uh 1315 00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,000 conservation authority for for all of 1316 00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:53,520 their help and guidance throughout this 1317 00:54:53,520 --> 00:54:55,920 process. Uh thank you. 1318 00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:57,829 >> Thank you. 1319 00:54:57,829 --> 00:54:57,839 » Thank you. 1320 00:54:57,839 --> 00:55:00,720 Okay. So, we've heard from council and 1321 00:55:00,720 --> 00:55:03,200 we've heard from the applicant. So, 1322 00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,000 seeing no further hands up, I will call 1323 00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,160 the question of the motion. that's at 1324 00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:11,359 hand. All those in favor? 1325 00:55:11,359 --> 00:55:13,599 All those opposed? And it is carried. 1326 00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:16,960 Thank you very much. And um we'll move 1327 00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,920 forward with 9.2. 1328 00:55:19,920 --> 00:55:22,160 Uh supplementary report zoning bylaw 1329 00:55:22,160 --> 00:55:26,230 amendment D14-2025-010 1330 00:55:26,240 --> 00:55:29,599 application for 439,000 Parkway. Moved 1331 00:55:29,599 --> 00:55:31,760 by councelor Antoine Hartley, seconded 1332 00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:33,280 by deputy mayor FOD that the committee 1333 00:55:33,280 --> 00:55:34,559 the whole recommends that council 1334 00:55:34,559 --> 00:55:36,720 approve zoning bylaw amendment 1335 00:55:36,720 --> 00:55:40,470 application D14-2025-010 1336 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:42,880 to reszone the portion of the property 1337 00:55:42,880 --> 00:55:45,359 municipally known as 439 Thousand 1338 00:55:45,359 --> 00:55:48,079 Islands Parkway currently zoned tourist 1339 00:55:48,079 --> 00:55:50,720 commercial CT zone to Shoreline 1340 00:55:50,720 --> 00:55:54,400 Residential Special Exemption RS-63 1341 00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:56,720 zone in township zoning by line number 1342 00:55:56,720 --> 00:55:58,400 07-079. 1343 00:55:58,400 --> 00:55:59,920 9 and that the committee the whole 1344 00:55:59,920 --> 00:56:01,440 recommends that council further amend 1345 00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:03,839 bylaw number 07-079 1346 00:56:03,839 --> 00:56:06,160 zoning bylaw of the corporation of the 1347 00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:07,440 township of Leeds in the Thousand 1348 00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,920 Islands as amended as per exhibit A 1349 00:56:09,920 --> 00:56:12,000 recommended amending bylaw and schedule 1350 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:15,520 A to report number 2025-087 1351 00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:16,640 and that the committee the whole 1352 00:56:16,640 --> 00:56:18,000 recommends that council grant three 1353 00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:19,440 readings and final passage to the 1354 00:56:19,440 --> 00:56:22,000 amending bylaw motions on the floor up 1355 00:56:22,000 --> 00:56:23,920 for discussion. 1356 00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,520 So for the um newcomer here, this has 1357 00:56:27,520 --> 00:56:30,240 already come through uh a couple of 1358 00:56:30,240 --> 00:56:33,040 times to council uh with uh 1359 00:56:33,040 --> 00:56:37,119 presentations made by the applicants 1360 00:56:37,119 --> 00:56:40,160 agent. Um and it has been in front of 1361 00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,720 council twice to ask questions, but this 1362 00:56:42,720 --> 00:56:44,799 is the decision in regards to the 1363 00:56:44,799 --> 00:56:47,440 request for changing the zoning. So I 1364 00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:49,839 know you can read, but this has been one 1365 00:56:49,839 --> 00:56:51,920 that's required a lot of back and forth. 1366 00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:54,880 So anyways, uh I just wanted for the 1367 00:56:54,880 --> 00:56:56,720 public's also the public's knowledge 1368 00:56:56,720 --> 00:56:59,200 that this has come back for this is the 1369 00:56:59,200 --> 00:57:01,359 third time that we're discussing this at 1370 00:57:01,359 --> 00:57:05,680 the table. Um so discussion go ahead. Uh 1371 00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:07,359 I've got councelor lackey and I've got 1372 00:57:07,359 --> 00:57:09,280 deputy mayor fod. 1373 00:57:09,280 --> 00:57:11,589 >> Thank you worship and through you. I 1374 00:57:11,589 --> 00:57:11,599 » Thank you worship and through you. I 1375 00:57:11,599 --> 00:57:13,359 think it's similar to the the questions 1376 00:57:13,359 --> 00:57:16,400 that I had last time. Um so the property 1377 00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:20,960 itself uh in the beginning stages um it 1378 00:57:20,960 --> 00:57:25,200 was purchased as um shoreline commercial 1379 00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:25,680 um 1380 00:57:25,680 --> 00:57:28,309 >> commercial it's tourist commercial 1381 00:57:28,309 --> 00:57:28,319 » commercial it's tourist commercial 1382 00:57:28,319 --> 00:57:30,390 >> tour sorry tourist commercial 1383 00:57:30,390 --> 00:57:30,400 » tour sorry tourist commercial 1384 00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:31,910 >> um 1385 00:57:31,910 --> 00:57:31,920 » um 1386 00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:35,359 and we accepted that um through all our 1387 00:57:35,359 --> 00:57:37,599 planning rationale um all the way 1388 00:57:37,599 --> 00:57:41,440 through um and then at the last meeting 1389 00:57:41,440 --> 00:57:43,760 were we not told that it was always the 1390 00:57:43,760 --> 00:57:46,000 intent of the applicant that it was 1391 00:57:46,000 --> 00:57:50,559 going to be a residential building. 1392 00:57:50,559 --> 00:57:52,880 That's my first question. 1393 00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:54,710 >> I believe that is what the applicant 1394 00:57:54,710 --> 00:57:54,720 » I believe that is what the applicant 1395 00:57:54,720 --> 00:57:57,280 said at the last meeting if we go back 1396 00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,359 and roll tape, but 1397 00:57:59,359 --> 00:58:02,230 >> I'm fairly certain that's what was said. 1398 00:58:02,230 --> 00:58:02,240 » I'm fairly certain that's what was said. 1399 00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,230 >> I'll let the I'll let the director of 1400 00:58:04,230 --> 00:58:04,240 » I'll let the I'll let the director of 1401 00:58:04,240 --> 00:58:05,760 planning confirm that 1402 00:58:05,760 --> 00:58:07,430 >> or not confirm it. 1403 00:58:07,430 --> 00:58:07,440 » or not confirm it. 1404 00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:08,549 >> Doesn't matter. We can go back and look 1405 00:58:08,549 --> 00:58:08,559 » Doesn't matter. We can go back and look 1406 00:58:08,559 --> 00:58:10,000 because I know that's what was 1407 00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:11,349 >> okay. That was what was said. 1408 00:58:11,349 --> 00:58:11,359 » okay. That was what was said. 1409 00:58:11,359 --> 00:58:11,990 >> That's what was said 1410 00:58:11,990 --> 00:58:12,000 » That's what was said 1411 00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:14,230 >> through you. Uh the challenge was they 1412 00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:14,240 » through you. Uh the challenge was they 1413 00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,319 intended to build they indicated they 1414 00:58:16,319 --> 00:58:19,040 intended to build residential. However, 1415 00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,240 once they started building residential 1416 00:58:22,240 --> 00:58:25,599 recogniz once they started building 1417 00:58:25,599 --> 00:58:27,440 under the existing zoning framework 1418 00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:29,520 which is tourist commercial and building 1419 00:58:29,520 --> 00:58:31,599 to the commercial standard they realized 1420 00:58:31,599 --> 00:58:34,160 it was cost prohibitive to build to the 1421 00:58:34,160 --> 00:58:35,920 commercial standard for what they 1422 00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:37,920 indicated would be a residential use 1423 00:58:37,920 --> 00:58:39,599 which is why the zoning amendments come 1424 00:58:39,599 --> 00:58:42,319 forward. So again for clarification they 1425 00:58:42,319 --> 00:58:44,319 told us in the beginning that they were 1426 00:58:44,319 --> 00:58:46,960 doing a corporate retreat which is 1427 00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:48,240 tourist commercial 1428 00:58:48,240 --> 00:58:49,670 >> fit under that category. 1429 00:58:49,670 --> 00:58:49,680 » fit under that category. 1430 00:58:49,680 --> 00:58:50,309 >> Correct. 1431 00:58:50,309 --> 00:58:50,319 » Correct. 1432 00:58:50,319 --> 00:58:53,109 >> And now it's we were told that it was 1433 00:58:53,109 --> 00:58:53,119 » And now it's we were told that it was 1434 00:58:53,119 --> 00:58:56,079 always going to be residential is what 1435 00:58:56,079 --> 00:58:57,680 we heard last meeting. 1436 00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:58,549 >> Correct. 1437 00:58:58,549 --> 00:58:58,559 » Correct. 1438 00:58:58,559 --> 00:59:00,390 >> So I'm [clears throat] a little confused 1439 00:59:00,390 --> 00:59:00,400 » So I'm [clears throat] a little confused 1440 00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,799 there. I think um you know whether it 1441 00:59:02,799 --> 00:59:04,480 was a misunderstanding or I I don't know 1442 00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:05,839 what you want to call it. I know what I 1443 00:59:05,839 --> 00:59:08,240 would call it but I'm not going to. Um 1444 00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:10,960 my other question to the planner is um 1445 00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:14,079 that zoning um that's a pretty important 1446 00:59:14,079 --> 00:59:17,440 zoning there. How many other vacant lots 1447 00:59:17,440 --> 00:59:19,440 roughly are out there that have that 1448 00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,839 particular zoning 1449 00:59:21,839 --> 00:59:23,599 of of commercial 1450 00:59:23,599 --> 00:59:24,630 >> tourist commercial 1451 00:59:24,630 --> 00:59:24,640 » tourist commercial 1452 00:59:24,640 --> 00:59:28,150 >> commercial? Do we have any available? 1453 00:59:28,150 --> 00:59:28,160 » commercial? Do we have any available? 1454 00:59:28,160 --> 00:59:29,829 >> I would not be able to tell you the 1455 00:59:29,829 --> 00:59:29,839 » I would not be able to tell you the 1456 00:59:29,839 --> 00:59:34,240 answer. And what would to get one zoned? 1457 00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:39,030 Is that a big process? 1458 00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:41,760 » The special policy area for the Thousand 1459 00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:44,559 Islands area indicates that tourist 1460 00:59:44,559 --> 00:59:46,720 commercial uses are permitted south of 1461 00:59:46,720 --> 00:59:49,440 the Parkway on properties adjacent to 1462 00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:52,480 existing tourist commercial uses. So, 1463 00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:53,680 um, 1464 00:59:53,680 --> 00:59:55,670 >> so unless you were beside an existing 1465 00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:55,680 » so unless you were beside an existing 1466 00:59:55,680 --> 00:59:58,000 tourist commercial, you couldn't get a 1467 00:59:58,000 --> 00:59:59,670 >> We're currently designated as 1468 00:59:59,670 --> 00:59:59,680 » We're currently designated as 1469 00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:01,510 >> So, it's a hard it's a hard thing to get 1470 01:00:01,510 --> 01:00:01,520 » So, it's a hard it's a hard thing to get 1471 01:00:01,520 --> 01:00:03,839 and virtually almost impossible. there 1472 01:00:03,839 --> 01:00:04,240 are. 1473 01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:05,990 >> So, so what we're doing is we're taking 1474 01:00:05,990 --> 01:00:06,000 » So, so what we're doing is we're taking 1475 01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:09,119 a commercially zoned property and we're 1476 01:00:09,119 --> 01:00:11,440 eliminating that from the potential 1477 01:00:11,440 --> 01:00:13,520 commercial opportunities that could have 1478 01:00:13,520 --> 01:00:15,119 existed 1479 01:00:15,119 --> 01:00:19,520 um even with their even with their um uh 1480 01:00:19,520 --> 01:00:21,599 um corporate retreat that may have 1481 01:00:21,599 --> 01:00:24,559 provided a job or two. It may have um 1482 01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:26,000 may have done a number of things, but 1483 01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,160 that's only speculation. Um, I think 1484 01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,640 it's it's the zoning and the the fact 1485 01:00:30,640 --> 01:00:32,720 that, 1486 01:00:32,720 --> 01:00:36,160 you know, what what um inspections were 1487 01:00:36,160 --> 01:00:39,040 done as 1488 01:00:39,040 --> 01:00:41,599 one zoning versus what inspections would 1489 01:00:41,599 --> 01:00:44,319 have been done in another zoning. So, 1490 01:00:44,319 --> 01:00:46,720 we're changing halfway through the 1491 01:00:46,720 --> 01:00:49,920 specifications of things. 1492 01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:54,950 Is that a problem? 1493 01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:56,240 So, you're going to have some of this 1494 01:00:56,240 --> 01:00:58,640 place zoned or or built to commercial 1495 01:00:58,640 --> 01:01:00,079 and some are going to be built to 1496 01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:02,720 residential 1497 01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:04,950 >> through you. Um, at the last meeting, 1498 01:01:04,950 --> 01:01:04,960 » through you. Um, at the last meeting, 1499 01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:06,640 the applicant indicated that the 1500 01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:09,200 property has been sitting 1501 01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:12,480 in a construction has ceased because 1502 01:01:12,480 --> 01:01:15,680 they are unsure what standard they they 1503 01:01:15,680 --> 01:01:17,200 they're not building to that commercial 1504 01:01:17,200 --> 01:01:19,200 standard at this point. So it is sitting 1505 01:01:19,200 --> 01:01:21,359 the commercial or sorry the construction 1506 01:01:21,359 --> 01:01:23,839 has ceased at this point. From a purely 1507 01:01:23,839 --> 01:01:26,319 land use perspective what we need to 1508 01:01:26,319 --> 01:01:29,839 look at as planners is is the land use 1509 01:01:29,839 --> 01:01:31,680 compatible with the adjacent land uses 1510 01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:33,440 and what is the most compatible use for 1511 01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,480 the property. So from a land use 1512 01:01:36,480 --> 01:01:39,359 consideration perspective 1513 01:01:39,359 --> 01:01:41,280 the official plan permits both 1514 01:01:41,280 --> 01:01:43,280 residential and tourist commercial south 1515 01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:45,920 of the 401 in this area. in terms of 1516 01:01:45,920 --> 01:01:47,520 challenges in the nature of the 1517 01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:49,440 construction that's really a building 1518 01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:51,359 code issue. So it's not part of the 1519 01:01:51,359 --> 01:01:53,440 planning considerations. 1520 01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:54,870 >> Right. Thank you. 1521 01:01:54,870 --> 01:01:54,880 » Right. Thank you. 1522 01:01:54,880 --> 01:01:57,270 >> I have deputy mayor FOD. 1523 01:01:57,270 --> 01:01:57,280 » I have deputy mayor FOD. 1524 01:01:57,280 --> 01:01:59,430 >> Thank you worship through you. At that 1525 01:01:59,430 --> 01:01:59,440 » Thank you worship through you. At that 1526 01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,520 last meeting I think it was a designer 1527 01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:03,520 representing the owner who made the 1528 01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:05,359 statement it was beneficial for us to 1529 01:02:05,359 --> 01:02:07,599 carry on with the current zoning to 1530 01:02:07,599 --> 01:02:10,000 allow us to build the way we did. And 1531 01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:11,440 now they've got there they want to 1532 01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:14,640 switch back to this. 1533 01:02:14,640 --> 01:02:18,240 Um, councelor Laki is correct. I mean, 1534 01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,119 there's a much less uh 1535 01:02:21,119 --> 01:02:23,200 ownerous designation on the property. 1536 01:02:23,200 --> 01:02:26,319 Should they switch it back? Um, 1537 01:02:26,319 --> 01:02:28,720 I don't know. 1538 01:02:28,720 --> 01:02:31,040 I know 1539 01:02:31,040 --> 01:02:32,559 that there's a number of unanswered 1540 01:02:32,559 --> 01:02:35,520 questions here. And then once this is 1541 01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,599 approved, 1542 01:02:37,599 --> 01:02:39,760 then what? 1543 01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:41,670 >> So, I'll get to that before I call the 1544 01:02:41,670 --> 01:02:41,680 » So, I'll get to that before I call the 1545 01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:43,119 question. and I have councelor Calman 1546 01:02:43,119 --> 01:02:45,920 and then I have councelor maybe. 1547 01:02:45,920 --> 01:02:48,069 >> Thank you worship and through you. I 1548 01:02:48,069 --> 01:02:48,079 » Thank you worship and through you. I 1549 01:02:48,079 --> 01:02:50,640 have several questions. Um the first is 1550 01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:54,079 along the same lines. So we are told in 1551 01:02:54,079 --> 01:02:56,079 the staff report that the reason for the 1552 01:02:56,079 --> 01:02:57,839 request to the zoning change is the 1553 01:02:57,839 --> 01:03:00,640 prohibitive cost if it were to remain 1554 01:03:00,640 --> 01:03:05,359 commercial tourism. Um in the Boulevard 1555 01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:08,559 planning justification report it says 1556 01:03:08,559 --> 01:03:10,160 that 1557 01:03:10,160 --> 01:03:13,280 um CT zoning prohibits principal 1558 01:03:13,280 --> 01:03:16,640 residential use and that is the that's 1559 01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:20,150 under the zoning 1560 01:03:20,160 --> 01:03:23,760 relief justification. So is is that is 1561 01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,520 it to be a principal residence or is it 1562 01:03:25,520 --> 01:03:28,213 to be a vacation property? 1563 01:03:28,213 --> 01:03:31,510 [snorts] 1564 01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,359 The applicant has indicated that it's to 1565 01:03:33,359 --> 01:03:35,200 be a residential property and that the 1566 01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,200 primary use of the property subject to 1567 01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:38,640 the zoning amendment would be 1568 01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:39,839 residential. 1569 01:03:39,839 --> 01:03:41,430 >> Okay. But that doesn't mean it will be 1570 01:03:41,430 --> 01:03:41,440 » Okay. But that doesn't mean it will be 1571 01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:43,359 their prime residence. We don't know 1572 01:03:43,359 --> 01:03:44,640 that. 1573 01:03:44,640 --> 01:03:46,710 >> We don't know that and we can't regulate 1574 01:03:46,710 --> 01:03:46,720 » We don't know that and we can't regulate 1575 01:03:46,720 --> 01:03:47,200 that. 1576 01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:51,029 >> Okay. So, I'm just wondering what is the 1577 01:03:51,029 --> 01:03:51,039 » Okay. So, I'm just wondering what is the 1578 01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:53,599 reason for the change in the zoning? Is 1579 01:03:53,599 --> 01:03:55,280 it because of the cost or is it because 1580 01:03:55,280 --> 01:03:57,119 it can't be used as a principal 1581 01:03:57,119 --> 01:03:59,039 residence if they don't get the zoning 1582 01:03:59,039 --> 01:04:00,559 change? 1583 01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:02,319 um through you just for clarification 1584 01:04:02,319 --> 01:04:04,720 the tourist commercial zoning allows a 1585 01:04:04,720 --> 01:04:07,760 tourist commercial use and an accessory 1586 01:04:07,760 --> 01:04:11,760 dwelling unit. So the residential use 1587 01:04:11,760 --> 01:04:13,599 could not be the primary use of the 1588 01:04:13,599 --> 01:04:15,680 property under the tourist commercial 1589 01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:17,760 zoning. The primary use of the property 1590 01:04:17,760 --> 01:04:19,680 would need to be a tourist commercial 1591 01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:20,559 use. Okay? 1592 01:04:20,559 --> 01:04:22,710 >> And then the residential use is only 1593 01:04:22,710 --> 01:04:22,720 » And then the residential use is only 1594 01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:26,079 accessory to that tourist commercial 1595 01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:28,799 use. So the context of primary residents 1596 01:04:28,799 --> 01:04:30,640 being used here is different than the 1597 01:04:30,640 --> 01:04:32,799 context of what she just said. 1598 01:04:32,799 --> 01:04:36,549 >> But if the zoning change amendment is 1599 01:04:36,549 --> 01:04:36,559 » But if the zoning change amendment is 1600 01:04:36,559 --> 01:04:40,000 not granted, would they be able to live 1601 01:04:40,000 --> 01:04:43,190 there? 1602 01:04:43,200 --> 01:04:45,359 If the tourist commercial zoning remains 1603 01:04:45,359 --> 01:04:47,920 on the property as it is, the 1604 01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,000 residential use on the property would be 1605 01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,960 required to be accessory to a tourist 1606 01:04:52,960 --> 01:04:54,000 commercial use. 1607 01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:58,390 >> Thank you. Um, do we know 1608 01:04:58,390 --> 01:04:58,400 » Thank you. Um, do we know 1609 01:04:58,400 --> 01:05:00,400 what if it is if it is the cost 1610 01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,680 prohibitive factor, do we know what the 1611 01:05:03,680 --> 01:05:06,640 cost is that they're talking about? What 1612 01:05:06,640 --> 01:05:08,880 do they have a ballpark figure of what 1613 01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:11,920 this prohibitive cost would be? 1614 01:05:11,920 --> 01:05:14,309 >> Well, fire suppression was one of them, 1615 01:05:14,309 --> 01:05:14,319 » Well, fire suppression was one of them, 1616 01:05:14,319 --> 01:05:17,280 I believe. And that on a in a commercial 1617 01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,520 use is much different than a residential 1618 01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:20,880 use. 1619 01:05:20,880 --> 01:05:22,720 I'm just wondering if there's been 1620 01:05:22,720 --> 01:05:24,390 >> I don't know the cost but in speaking 1621 01:05:24,390 --> 01:05:24,400 » I don't know the cost but in speaking 1622 01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:26,000 with the building officials it has to do 1623 01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:28,400 with the fire separation. So in a 1624 01:05:28,400 --> 01:05:30,720 commercial use when you have units you 1625 01:05:30,720 --> 01:05:32,319 have to have fire suppression and 1626 01:05:32,319 --> 01:05:34,160 dampers between the units. So you have 1627 01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:36,720 to have fire brakes between them which 1628 01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:38,559 is a different level of construction 1629 01:05:38,559 --> 01:05:40,400 than would be required for a residential 1630 01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:41,680 use. 1631 01:05:41,680 --> 01:05:45,109 >> And my last question is about the 1632 01:05:45,109 --> 01:05:45,119 » And my last question is about the 1633 01:05:45,119 --> 01:05:46,880 clarification on the cash in lie of 1634 01:05:46,880 --> 01:05:49,280 parkland. So, it says in the staff 1635 01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:52,880 report that it's a 2% rate for 1636 01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:54,960 commercial properties and a 5% rate for 1637 01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:57,440 residential properties. 1638 01:05:57,440 --> 01:06:00,319 And so, if the zoning amendment was 1639 01:06:00,319 --> 01:06:02,559 granted, would they have to pay the 1640 01:06:02,559 --> 01:06:05,200 additional 1641 01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,359 amount, the additional percentage? 1642 01:06:07,359 --> 01:06:08,630 >> No, they wouldn't have to pay the 1643 01:06:08,630 --> 01:06:08,640 » No, they wouldn't have to pay the 1644 01:06:08,640 --> 01:06:10,000 additional percentage because 1645 01:06:10,000 --> 01:06:11,680 technically as a residential use, it 1646 01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:13,440 wouldn't necessarily be subject to site 1647 01:06:13,440 --> 01:06:17,119 plan control. Um but the 2% was 1648 01:06:17,119 --> 01:06:19,440 considered an uplift because it had 1649 01:06:19,440 --> 01:06:21,920 previously been used as the residential 1650 01:06:21,920 --> 01:06:25,119 use. So the t putting it subject to site 1651 01:06:25,119 --> 01:06:27,359 plan control when the commercial use was 1652 01:06:27,359 --> 01:06:31,359 proposed was subject to the cash in L of 1653 01:06:31,359 --> 01:06:35,200 parkland requirement. Um the 5% would 1654 01:06:35,200 --> 01:06:36,799 only apply if a new lot was being 1655 01:06:36,799 --> 01:06:39,119 created through a consent. 1656 01:06:39,119 --> 01:06:41,910 >> Okay. Thank you. I just have a comment 1657 01:06:41,910 --> 01:06:41,920 » Okay. Thank you. I just have a comment 1658 01:06:41,920 --> 01:06:45,280 if I may. Um, 1659 01:06:45,280 --> 01:06:47,440 and I've made this comment before and I 1660 01:06:47,440 --> 01:06:48,960 don't know if it's intentional, but when 1661 01:06:48,960 --> 01:06:50,960 I read the official plans, the township 1662 01:06:50,960 --> 01:06:52,319 and the county plans, some of the 1663 01:06:52,319 --> 01:06:54,880 language is ambiguous. And so I don't 1664 01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,359 know if that's intentional to give some 1665 01:06:57,359 --> 01:06:59,280 leeway to councils or municipalities 1666 01:06:59,280 --> 01:07:01,280 when they're making these decisions. But 1667 01:07:01,280 --> 01:07:04,160 for example, if we had to if I had to 1668 01:07:04,160 --> 01:07:08,160 give a land use planning reason for not 1669 01:07:08,160 --> 01:07:11,760 approving this zoning amendment, it says 1670 01:07:11,760 --> 01:07:13,680 that 1671 01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,240 um under our township official plan, one 1672 01:07:16,240 --> 01:07:18,240 of the justifications given is that the 1673 01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:20,079 new buildings being added to the site, 1674 01:07:20,079 --> 01:07:22,559 so these are the sub the accessory 1675 01:07:22,559 --> 01:07:25,119 buildings will assist in preserving and 1676 01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:27,760 enhancing the aesthetic value of the 1677 01:07:27,760 --> 01:07:30,799 area. Well, aesthetic value is a very 1678 01:07:30,799 --> 01:07:33,200 subjective term. So, I'm kind of 1679 01:07:33,200 --> 01:07:36,319 surprised it's in there. But 1680 01:07:36,319 --> 01:07:38,000 that leaves that open to our 1681 01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:41,039 interpretation. And for myself, 1682 01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:43,119 when this was originally presented with 1683 01:07:43,119 --> 01:07:45,680 these accessory structures, one of which 1684 01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:49,680 is very large, has a fourcar garage in 1685 01:07:49,680 --> 01:07:52,400 the bay in the bottom of it. Um, if I 1686 01:07:52,400 --> 01:07:54,160 looked at that, as councelor Lackey was 1687 01:07:54,160 --> 01:07:56,240 saying, as a corporate retreat, I would 1688 01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:59,680 say I personally don't find those 1689 01:07:59,680 --> 01:08:01,520 buildings attractive on our beautiful 1690 01:08:01,520 --> 01:08:03,520 natural shoreline. And I think that 1691 01:08:03,520 --> 01:08:06,319 those three buildings on that lot are 1692 01:08:06,319 --> 01:08:09,280 very large and it it doesn't fit into 1693 01:08:09,280 --> 01:08:12,079 the surrounding landscape. But my mind 1694 01:08:12,079 --> 01:08:14,480 would say because it's a corporate 1695 01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,799 retreat, it might bring visitors to our 1696 01:08:16,799 --> 01:08:18,799 area. It might bring tourist dollars to 1697 01:08:18,799 --> 01:08:22,960 our area. it might increase the this the 1698 01:08:22,960 --> 01:08:24,880 people that are seeing and visiting our 1699 01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:28,000 area. So the aesthetic value is one 1700 01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:29,759 thing. When I look at it as a private 1701 01:08:29,759 --> 01:08:31,839 residence, it completely alters my 1702 01:08:31,839 --> 01:08:33,839 aesthetic value and evaluation of that 1703 01:08:33,839 --> 01:08:36,799 property. And I don't think it's 1704 01:08:36,799 --> 01:08:39,279 appropriate land use. Um and then 1705 01:08:39,279 --> 01:08:42,239 there's another part it says within the 1706 01:08:42,239 --> 01:08:44,880 justification under the planning act it 1707 01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:46,640 one of the justifications is that it 1708 01:08:46,640 --> 01:08:49,040 encourages a sense of place which again 1709 01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:52,640 is very ambiguous and I could argue that 1710 01:08:52,640 --> 01:08:55,440 I cannot vote in vote in favor of this 1711 01:08:55,440 --> 01:08:57,279 because I do not think that those 1712 01:08:57,279 --> 01:08:59,279 buildings in that location encourage a 1713 01:08:59,279 --> 01:09:01,440 sense of place on the St. Lawrence River 1714 01:09:01,440 --> 01:09:04,319 in our beautiful township. So those 1715 01:09:04,319 --> 01:09:09,440 would be my land use justifications for 1716 01:09:09,440 --> 01:09:12,319 voting against land use planning reasons 1717 01:09:12,319 --> 01:09:14,560 for voting against this zoning 1718 01:09:14,560 --> 01:09:17,279 amendment. I think that they've the 1719 01:09:17,279 --> 01:09:20,239 owner and the the planners have or not 1720 01:09:20,239 --> 01:09:22,640 not our planners, the the boulevard have 1721 01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:24,400 really muddled this by not being clear 1722 01:09:24,400 --> 01:09:26,000 from the beginning what their intentions 1723 01:09:26,000 --> 01:09:31,839 were. And I just u am very cautious of 1724 01:09:31,839 --> 01:09:33,040 what's going to happen with this 1725 01:09:33,040 --> 01:09:34,799 property in the future. And I have one 1726 01:09:34,799 --> 01:09:37,759 more thing to add. Sorry. Um some of us 1727 01:09:37,759 --> 01:09:39,759 were at the recent economic development 1728 01:09:39,759 --> 01:09:41,520 summit and there was a lot of talk about 1729 01:09:41,520 --> 01:09:44,319 energy use. And when I look at those 1730 01:09:44,319 --> 01:09:46,400 buildings, I'm assuming they're on grid. 1731 01:09:46,400 --> 01:09:49,120 I'm not sure, but I think about what 1732 01:09:49,120 --> 01:09:50,719 it's going to cost to heat those 1733 01:09:50,719 --> 01:09:52,960 buildings. And I wonder how often those 1734 01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:54,640 buildings are going to be used, and by 1735 01:09:54,640 --> 01:09:57,440 how many people, and what amount of 1736 01:09:57,440 --> 01:09:59,280 energy is going to be sucked into 1737 01:09:59,280 --> 01:10:01,360 heating those large buildings, two of 1738 01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:03,600 whom two of which apparently are not 1739 01:10:03,600 --> 01:10:05,840 going to have people living in them. So, 1740 01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:07,920 I don't know. I don't think under 1741 01:10:07,920 --> 01:10:10,560 current planning or current uh plans 1742 01:10:10,560 --> 01:10:11,920 that that's something we take into 1743 01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:13,600 consideration. It probably is something 1744 01:10:13,600 --> 01:10:16,480 we should take into consideration. 1745 01:10:16,480 --> 01:10:18,800 And that is all I have. Thank you. 1746 01:10:18,800 --> 01:10:21,990 >> Okay. Um I've got councelor maybe and 1747 01:10:21,990 --> 01:10:22,000 » Okay. Um I've got councelor maybe and 1748 01:10:22,000 --> 01:10:25,199 then uh deputy mayor vod. Go ahead. 1749 01:10:25,199 --> 01:10:27,030 >> Uh thank you madame mayor and through 1750 01:10:27,030 --> 01:10:27,040 » Uh thank you madame mayor and through 1751 01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:29,600 you. One of my things is if this was a 1752 01:10:29,600 --> 01:10:32,880 residential um uh property right from 1753 01:10:32,880 --> 01:10:34,960 the get-go and since it was a brand new 1754 01:10:34,960 --> 01:10:37,120 build, would there have been a species 1755 01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:40,719 at risk um survey uh report needing 1756 01:10:40,719 --> 01:10:42,239 needed? 1757 01:10:42,239 --> 01:10:44,390 >> I don't think so. Not if it was 1758 01:10:44,390 --> 01:10:44,400 » I don't think so. Not if it was 1759 01:10:44,400 --> 01:10:46,159 residential. 1760 01:10:46,159 --> 01:10:46,630 >> Okay, 1761 01:10:46,630 --> 01:10:46,640 » Okay, 1762 01:10:46,640 --> 01:10:48,709 >> Madam Planner, 1763 01:10:48,709 --> 01:10:48,719 » Madam Planner, 1764 01:10:48,719 --> 01:10:51,360 I don't on our residential builds. If it 1765 01:10:51,360 --> 01:10:53,760 was zoned residential, there would be no 1766 01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:56,080 species at risk study required. I don't 1767 01:10:56,080 --> 01:10:59,590 believe. 1768 01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:01,840 » Thank you. And through you. Um it's my 1769 01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:03,120 recollection that there was an 1770 01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:05,280 environmental impact statement that was 1771 01:11:05,280 --> 01:11:06,800 prepared. Um 1772 01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:08,470 >> that was based on the fact that it was 1773 01:11:08,470 --> 01:11:08,480 » that was based on the fact that it was 1774 01:11:08,480 --> 01:11:09,840 tourist commercial. 1775 01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:12,790 >> Uh it was based on Yes. And the 1776 01:11:12,790 --> 01:11:12,800 » Uh it was based on Yes. And the 1777 01:11:12,800 --> 01:11:16,000 proximity to the wetland. Um 1778 01:11:16,000 --> 01:11:19,350 >> Okay. Yeah. I was just curious on 1779 01:11:19,350 --> 01:11:19,360 » Okay. Yeah. I was just curious on 1780 01:11:19,360 --> 01:11:21,679 whether because we've had other reports 1781 01:11:21,679 --> 01:11:25,120 for lands where residential uh builds 1782 01:11:25,120 --> 01:11:27,760 have been put on and uh we've had a 1783 01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:30,800 fairly extensive report 1784 01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:33,760 uh for different things even a tree on 1785 01:11:33,760 --> 01:11:37,760 one I remember. So I so I just wondering 1786 01:11:37,760 --> 01:11:41,440 you know whether that's a cost factor 1787 01:11:41,440 --> 01:11:44,320 from this particular uh applicant. And 1788 01:11:44,320 --> 01:11:47,600 then there's a other in the report there 1789 01:11:47,600 --> 01:11:50,080 fees of $33,750 1790 01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:52,960 to $22,750. 1791 01:11:52,960 --> 01:11:54,960 And I was trying to wrap my head on how 1792 01:11:54,960 --> 01:11:56,800 that worked. 1793 01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:58,630 >> There's more inspections involved in a 1794 01:11:58,630 --> 01:11:58,640 » There's more inspections involved in a 1795 01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:01,199 building that is commercial. Correct. 1796 01:12:01,199 --> 01:12:03,199 with a to the point I think that 1797 01:12:03,199 --> 01:12:06,080 councelor lackey made earlier that we've 1798 01:12:06,080 --> 01:12:08,480 expended a lot more as far as the 1799 01:12:08,480 --> 01:12:10,159 building department is concerned as far 1800 01:12:10,159 --> 01:12:12,080 as reviewing and and 1801 01:12:12,080 --> 01:12:12,950 >> so there's a rebate 1802 01:12:12,950 --> 01:12:12,960 » so there's a rebate 1803 01:12:12,960 --> 01:12:14,310 >> attending 1804 01:12:14,310 --> 01:12:14,320 » attending 1805 01:12:14,320 --> 01:12:16,149 >> it's not a rebate I don't believe 1806 01:12:16,149 --> 01:12:16,159 » it's not a rebate I don't believe 1807 01:12:16,159 --> 01:12:18,229 >> so that figure that's being referenced 1808 01:12:18,229 --> 01:12:18,239 » so that figure that's being referenced 1809 01:12:18,239 --> 01:12:20,159 the 22750 1810 01:12:20,159 --> 01:12:22,000 is site plan control securities that 1811 01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:24,880 were held because it was a subject to 1812 01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:27,040 site plan control to ensure that the 1813 01:12:27,040 --> 01:12:28,719 grading and paving were done on the site 1814 01:12:28,719 --> 01:12:30,719 in accordance with the approved plans 1815 01:12:30,719 --> 01:12:33,360 Okay. Okay. Thank you. 1816 01:12:33,360 --> 01:12:35,669 >> Okay. Uh there seems to be a light bulb 1817 01:12:35,669 --> 01:12:35,679 » Okay. Uh there seems to be a light bulb 1818 01:12:35,679 --> 01:12:38,560 moment. I'm going to go to Mr. Lackey in 1819 01:12:38,560 --> 01:12:40,719 regards to that comment and then I'll go 1820 01:12:40,719 --> 01:12:41,679 back to deputy mayor. 1821 01:12:41,679 --> 01:12:44,310 >> So that check was written to us in the 1822 01:12:44,310 --> 01:12:44,320 » So that check was written to us in the 1823 01:12:44,320 --> 01:12:47,760 beginning as commercial. So they 1824 01:12:47,760 --> 01:12:49,920 willingly knowingly 1825 01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:51,920 wrote you a check knowing it was going 1826 01:12:51,920 --> 01:12:55,440 to be a commercial building 1827 01:12:55,440 --> 01:12:58,550 >> due to site plan control. But again, we 1828 01:12:58,550 --> 01:12:58,560 » due to site plan control. But again, we 1829 01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:01,280 go back to last week. 1830 01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:03,199 It was always going to be a residential 1831 01:13:03,199 --> 01:13:07,910 building. Is that not the quote? 1832 01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:09,280 » I'm going to go back to the deputy 1833 01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:10,159 mayor. Go ahead. 1834 01:13:10,159 --> 01:13:11,510 >> My apologies. 1835 01:13:11,510 --> 01:13:11,520 » My apologies. 1836 01:13:11,520 --> 01:13:13,510 >> Thank you, worship. Just a comment to 1837 01:13:13,510 --> 01:13:13,520 » Thank you, worship. Just a comment to 1838 01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:15,520 councelor Kelman. The reason there's 1839 01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:18,640 confusion between the official plan, our 1840 01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:20,239 official plan wasn't the only one that 1841 01:13:20,239 --> 01:13:21,840 was rushed through before the municipal 1842 01:13:21,840 --> 01:13:25,679 election of 18, but it was. Ours was. It 1843 01:13:25,679 --> 01:13:28,000 wasn't properly vetted. There was a big 1844 01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,880 push on by those wanting that official 1845 01:13:30,880 --> 01:13:35,360 plan to be registered and it is and uh 1846 01:13:35,360 --> 01:13:37,199 I'm sure the planning department knows 1847 01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:39,199 all about it. 1848 01:13:39,199 --> 01:13:40,880 I'm going to take my lead from the 1849 01:13:40,880 --> 01:13:42,560 applicant themselves much along the 1850 01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:45,040 lines of councelor Lackey and Kelman and 1851 01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:47,679 others who made comments. They made 1852 01:13:47,679 --> 01:13:49,199 applications 1853 01:13:49,199 --> 01:13:51,199 that uh they were going to build knowing 1854 01:13:51,199 --> 01:13:53,120 it's tourist commercial. That's good 1855 01:13:53,120 --> 01:13:56,000 enough for me. Thank you. 1856 01:13:56,000 --> 01:14:00,149 >> Okay. Um, I'm going to call the question 1857 01:14:00,149 --> 01:14:00,159 » Okay. Um, I'm going to call the question 1858 01:14:00,159 --> 01:14:01,840 uh at this point in time and then I'll 1859 01:14:01,840 --> 01:14:04,080 reserve my comment till afterwards. All 1860 01:14:04,080 --> 01:14:05,840 in favor of the motion at hand, please 1861 01:14:05,840 --> 01:14:08,800 raise your hand. 1862 01:14:08,800 --> 01:14:11,280 All those opposed, 1863 01:14:11,280 --> 01:14:14,480 it is unanimously defeated. So my 1864 01:14:14,480 --> 01:14:17,520 comment will be uh as far as rationale 1865 01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:19,679 uh the planner has asked for rationale. 1866 01:14:19,679 --> 01:14:22,640 Um, so I thank councelor Kelman for 1867 01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:24,480 being a bit more concise with her 1868 01:14:24,480 --> 01:14:26,960 rationale, but I'm going to take the 1869 01:14:26,960 --> 01:14:29,360 comments made by councelor lackey and 1870 01:14:29,360 --> 01:14:31,920 and the other members who've who've made 1871 01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:35,040 comments. So the I would say that the 1872 01:14:35,040 --> 01:14:36,560 rationale of the decision of this 1873 01:14:36,560 --> 01:14:40,400 council to turn this zoning um change 1874 01:14:40,400 --> 01:14:43,199 down is specifically for the fact that 1875 01:14:43,199 --> 01:14:46,719 this property as tourist commercial is a 1876 01:14:46,719 --> 01:14:49,280 very extremely hard designation to get 1877 01:14:49,280 --> 01:14:53,040 in this township. And to be fair it is 1878 01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:55,760 surrounded by residential properties and 1879 01:14:55,760 --> 01:14:59,040 it has been tourist commercial since 1880 01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:01,440 before Jeff Lackey was born which is a 1881 01:15:01,440 --> 01:15:04,320 long time ago. So, [laughter] 1882 01:15:04,320 --> 01:15:06,880 um, so the point being is that when 1883 01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:08,960 people are looking to invest in this 1884 01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:10,400 township and they're looking for 1885 01:15:10,400 --> 01:15:12,800 specific types of property, especially 1886 01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:14,960 waterfront that they can do certain 1887 01:15:14,960 --> 01:15:19,920 things on, this uh zoning is extremely 1888 01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:21,440 valuable. 1889 01:15:21,440 --> 01:15:24,480 So, while I appreciate that these folks 1890 01:15:24,480 --> 01:15:27,280 sunk money into purchasing a property 1891 01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:29,520 that was zoned tourist commercial and 1892 01:15:29,520 --> 01:15:31,120 then have incurred these additional 1893 01:15:31,120 --> 01:15:34,080 costs, they knew this at the beginning. 1894 01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,159 They applied for building permits 1895 01:15:36,159 --> 01:15:39,600 knowing this is the case and now 1896 01:15:39,600 --> 01:15:42,080 halfway 3/4 of the way through they're 1897 01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:45,440 changing their mind. So, as far as um 1898 01:15:45,440 --> 01:15:48,800 the the council's decision, it's made 1899 01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:51,760 based on the fact that this tourist 1900 01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:53,360 designation is important to our 1901 01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:55,920 municipality. It's important to 1902 01:15:55,920 --> 01:15:58,560 businesses who want to operate and 1903 01:15:58,560 --> 01:16:02,239 exist. Um and as far as them changing 1904 01:16:02,239 --> 01:16:05,120 their mind halfway through, 1905 01:16:05,120 --> 01:16:07,199 that's unfortunate. 1906 01:16:07,199 --> 01:16:09,440 So, I would say, do you need further 1907 01:16:09,440 --> 01:16:14,000 rationale, Madam Planner? Nope. Okay. If 1908 01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:16,080 uh there is further rationale required, 1909 01:16:16,080 --> 01:16:18,320 please have them direct uh comments back 1910 01:16:18,320 --> 01:16:21,280 to myself and um we can bring it back to 1911 01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:22,640 have further discussion. But other than 1912 01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:24,000 that, the decision has been made this 1913 01:16:24,000 --> 01:16:25,520 evening. 1914 01:16:25,520 --> 01:16:28,400 So, moving along. So, we've got about 15 1915 01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:30,000 minutes before an hour and a half ends. 1916 01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:34,950 We'll see how far we can get. 1917 01:16:34,960 --> 01:16:38,800 Next item is 9.3 C 2026 council 1918 01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:40,560 committee and conference schedule. Moved 1919 01:16:40,560 --> 01:16:42,080 by councelor May, seconded by councelor 1920 01:16:42,080 --> 01:16:43,280 Antoine Hartley that the committee of 1921 01:16:43,280 --> 01:16:44,719 the whole recommends that council 1922 01:16:44,719 --> 01:16:47,520 approve the 2026 council committee and 1923 01:16:47,520 --> 01:16:49,199 conference schedule and approve the 1924 01:16:49,199 --> 01:16:50,880 outline deviations from the procedural 1925 01:16:50,880 --> 01:16:53,120 bylaw and committee terms of reference. 1926 01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:56,320 So before you folks, you have the 1927 01:16:56,320 --> 01:16:58,320 wonderful calendar with all the colored 1928 01:16:58,320 --> 01:17:01,040 highlights. Thank you, Madame Clerk. Um 1929 01:17:01,040 --> 01:17:03,360 there's only one date in here that I 1930 01:17:03,360 --> 01:17:05,520 would like you to draw your special 1931 01:17:05,520 --> 01:17:12,390 attention to. Um at this point in time 1932 01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:16,400 there is a um 1933 01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:19,120 sorry the training day the special 1934 01:17:19,120 --> 01:17:21,760 training day which is in February. So 1935 01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:24,159 it's February 19th which is the proposed 1936 01:17:24,159 --> 01:17:27,520 date that is uh our off-site training 1937 01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:29,600 day for all of council that we do. So 1938 01:17:29,600 --> 01:17:32,000 it's February 19th. Does anybody It's 1939 01:17:32,000 --> 01:17:33,920 proposed. It's not locked in stone. 1940 01:17:33,920 --> 01:17:35,360 Obviously we haven't passed anything 1941 01:17:35,360 --> 01:17:39,040 yet. Is that date prohibitive for anyone 1942 01:17:39,040 --> 01:17:41,760 at this time? 1943 01:17:41,760 --> 01:17:45,440 It's not to say that if somebody if you 1944 01:17:45,440 --> 01:17:47,760 can't come, that's fine. But we just 1945 01:17:47,760 --> 01:17:49,840 hope that there's enough time that you 1946 01:17:49,840 --> 01:17:51,440 can plan in your schedule. That's an 1947 01:17:51,440 --> 01:17:54,080 important day. Um where we go off site 1948 01:17:54,080 --> 01:17:57,360 with uh senior managers and uh get 1949 01:17:57,360 --> 01:18:00,640 updated from lawyers and all sorts of 1950 01:18:00,640 --> 01:18:02,640 fun things. uh the new counselor, 1951 01:18:02,640 --> 01:18:05,840 councelorlair will be excited to learn 1952 01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:08,480 all the fun stuff that we have to do 1953 01:18:08,480 --> 01:18:10,800 procedurally. 1954 01:18:10,800 --> 01:18:14,400 So um any other comments or questions in 1955 01:18:14,400 --> 01:18:15,600 regards to the dates that you have 1956 01:18:15,600 --> 01:18:18,400 before you folks? Go ahead. Uh councelor 1957 01:18:18,400 --> 01:18:19,760 or deputy mayor voting. 1958 01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,390 >> Thank you worship through you. Why do we 1959 01:18:22,390 --> 01:18:22,400 » Thank you worship through you. Why do we 1960 01:18:22,400 --> 01:18:24,880 not have a separate committee of the 1961 01:18:24,880 --> 01:18:27,040 whole in November? 1962 01:18:27,040 --> 01:18:29,750 >> Because in November that will be after 1963 01:18:29,750 --> 01:18:29,760 » Because in November that will be after 1964 01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:31,760 the election. 1965 01:18:31,760 --> 01:18:33,840 So there'll be one. 1966 01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:35,910 >> It's too soon. The you're talking about 1967 01:18:35,910 --> 01:18:35,920 » It's too soon. The you're talking about 1968 01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:38,000 swearing in would be 1969 01:18:38,000 --> 01:18:39,189 >> okay. 1970 01:18:39,189 --> 01:18:39,199 » okay. 1971 01:18:39,199 --> 01:18:42,470 >> Yeah. So after um through your worship, 1972 01:18:42,470 --> 01:18:42,480 » Yeah. So after um through your worship, 1973 01:18:42,480 --> 01:18:45,760 sorry. Um after the October 13th date, 1974 01:18:45,760 --> 01:18:49,520 the municipal election is the 26th. So 1975 01:18:49,520 --> 01:18:52,560 um technically you're in that limbo 1976 01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:55,199 period where you can't make decisions 1977 01:18:55,199 --> 01:18:58,159 anymore. Yeah. You're in lame duck. Um 1978 01:18:58,159 --> 01:19:00,560 no decisions can be made. Uh the end of 1979 01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:03,679 the term is the 14th. So if anything 1980 01:19:03,679 --> 01:19:06,239 crazy, any emergency comes up, you can 1981 01:19:06,239 --> 01:19:07,760 still deal with things, but we don't 1982 01:19:07,760 --> 01:19:09,199 have council or committee of the whole 1983 01:19:09,199 --> 01:19:11,440 meetings. Um and then that inaugural 1984 01:19:11,440 --> 01:19:13,920 meeting will be on the 16th, the the 1985 01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:18,640 most um uh closest date after the uh 1986 01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:20,640 after November 15th, which is when the 1987 01:19:20,640 --> 01:19:22,080 new term starts. 1988 01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:23,350 >> Okay. Thank you. 1989 01:19:23,350 --> 01:19:23,360 » Okay. Thank you. 1990 01:19:23,360 --> 01:19:26,390 >> Okay. Any further questions or comments 1991 01:19:26,390 --> 01:19:26,400 » Okay. Any further questions or comments 1992 01:19:26,400 --> 01:19:29,360 in regards to the calendar? 1993 01:19:29,360 --> 01:19:31,199 Seeing none, I'll call the question. All 1994 01:19:31,199 --> 01:19:34,560 those in favor, all those opposed and 1995 01:19:34,560 --> 01:19:37,520 we're carried. And I can't wait till all 1996 01:19:37,520 --> 01:19:39,520 the digital invites come in to autopop 1997 01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:41,679 populate the calendar. 1998 01:19:41,679 --> 01:19:42,790 >> Sorry. 1999 01:19:42,790 --> 01:19:42,800 » Sorry. 2000 01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,189 >> No, I I'm quite happy to have it. Just 2001 01:19:45,189 --> 01:19:45,199 » No, I I'm quite happy to have it. Just 2002 01:19:45,199 --> 01:19:48,000 make sure you set up don't put the email 2003 01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:50,320 receipt. So otherwise your email box 2004 01:19:50,320 --> 01:19:55,600 will be full. Um, next item is 2026 2005 01:19:55,600 --> 01:19:57,280 municipal elections voting, voting 2006 01:19:57,280 --> 01:19:59,760 equipment and alternative methods. So 2007 01:19:59,760 --> 01:20:02,080 the motion comes forward from deputy 2008 01:20:02,080 --> 01:20:04,159 mayor FOD seconded by councelor maybe. 2009 01:20:04,159 --> 01:20:05,280 The committee of the whole recommends 2010 01:20:05,280 --> 01:20:07,600 that council give the attached bylaw 2011 01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:09,520 second or first second and third reading 2012 01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:11,199 and final approval and that the clerk is 2013 01:20:11,199 --> 01:20:12,560 authorized to request quotes from 2014 01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:15,199 companies to use for the use of vote 2015 01:20:15,199 --> 01:20:16,719 counting equipment in accordance with 2016 01:20:16,719 --> 01:20:18,400 the township's procurement policy for 2017 01:20:18,400 --> 01:20:21,520 the 2026 municipal election. discussion 2018 01:20:21,520 --> 01:20:23,679 on the motion. 2019 01:20:23,679 --> 01:20:25,669 >> Go ahead, Premier Fod. 2020 01:20:25,669 --> 01:20:25,679 » Go ahead, Premier Fod. 2021 01:20:25,679 --> 01:20:28,390 >> Not so much a discussion as a comment. 2022 01:20:28,390 --> 01:20:28,400 » Not so much a discussion as a comment. 2023 01:20:28,400 --> 01:20:30,560 The province of Alberta recently held an 2024 01:20:30,560 --> 01:20:34,080 election out there and they banned uh 2025 01:20:34,080 --> 01:20:37,199 automated ting machines. 2026 01:20:37,199 --> 01:20:39,600 That's the first province to go complete 2027 01:20:39,600 --> 01:20:42,560 reversal on that. So, it's 2028 01:20:42,560 --> 01:20:45,679 I know it's a trend that needs to be 2029 01:20:45,679 --> 01:20:49,600 addressed by the governments to decide 2030 01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:51,760 what they're going to do. And we all 2031 01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:53,520 know what the problem is. There's 2032 01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:57,360 there's no law precluding tampering with 2033 01:20:57,360 --> 01:20:59,040 machines prior to elections. And that's 2034 01:20:59,040 --> 01:21:01,120 the long and the short of it. I would 2035 01:21:01,120 --> 01:21:02,560 like to see that happen in this 2036 01:21:02,560 --> 01:21:05,360 province, but I've been waiting since 2037 01:21:05,360 --> 01:21:07,280 2018. 2038 01:21:07,280 --> 01:21:10,159 But uh anyway, I'm just throwing a 2039 01:21:10,159 --> 01:21:12,880 little light on to why some of us uh 2040 01:21:12,880 --> 01:21:14,880 when we had this discussion earlier were 2041 01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:17,360 adamant that there's paper ballots. 2042 01:21:17,360 --> 01:21:18,719 Thank you. 2043 01:21:18,719 --> 01:21:20,550 >> Any further comments or questions about 2044 01:21:20,550 --> 01:21:20,560 » Any further comments or questions about 2045 01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:23,840 the motion that's at hand? I'll call the 2046 01:21:23,840 --> 01:21:26,320 question. All those in favor? All those 2047 01:21:26,320 --> 01:21:27,920 opposed? 2048 01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:30,400 And we're carried. 2049 01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:33,440 Next item. Very exciting motion this 2050 01:21:33,440 --> 01:21:35,840 evening. moved by uh deputy mayor FOD, 2051 01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:37,840 seconded by councelor Antoine Hartley, 2052 01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:38,880 that the committee of the whole 2053 01:21:38,880 --> 01:21:40,239 recommends that council authorize the 2054 01:21:40,239 --> 01:21:42,080 acting CEO and the director of corporate 2055 01:21:42,080 --> 01:21:43,679 services to execute documents to 2056 01:21:43,679 --> 01:21:46,560 facilitate a change order to renew depot 2057 01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:51,189 operations agreement number 2024-00-139 2058 01:21:51,199 --> 01:21:53,440 after the initial transition term for an 2059 01:21:53,440 --> 01:21:57,280 additional three one-year terms based on 2060 01:21:57,280 --> 01:21:59,199 annual budget approval, mutual 2061 01:21:59,199 --> 01:22:01,440 agreement, and successful successful 2062 01:22:01,440 --> 01:22:04,239 completion of the initial term. in each 2063 01:22:04,239 --> 01:22:06,320 subsequent renewal. and that the 2064 01:22:06,320 --> 01:22:07,440 committee of the whole recommends that 2065 01:22:07,440 --> 01:22:08,880 council direct the operations and 2066 01:22:08,880 --> 01:22:10,320 infrastructure department to proceed 2067 01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:13,120 with a recycle depot at the Landsttown 2068 01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:14,719 landfill site for the collection of 2069 01:22:14,719 --> 01:22:16,639 recycle materials from non-eligible 2070 01:22:16,639 --> 01:22:19,360 sources to be funded within the proposed 2071 01:22:19,360 --> 01:22:22,000 operating budget and that the committee 2072 01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:23,520 the whole recommends that council direct 2073 01:22:23,520 --> 01:22:24,960 the operations and infrastructure 2074 01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:27,040 department to conduct a financial and 2075 01:22:27,040 --> 01:22:29,360 operational review of initiating a 2076 01:22:29,360 --> 01:22:32,000 townshipwide curbside collection program 2077 01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:34,320 for household garbage. 2078 01:22:34,320 --> 01:22:38,000 Motion is on the floor. Discussion. 2079 01:22:38,000 --> 01:22:40,560 Uh, go ahead, Deputy Mayor Fod. 2080 01:22:40,560 --> 01:22:42,629 >> Thank you, worshipu to our director of 2081 01:22:42,629 --> 01:22:42,639 » Thank you, worshipu to our director of 2082 01:22:42,639 --> 01:22:44,159 operations. 2083 01:22:44,159 --> 01:22:46,560 How much time would it take to come up 2084 01:22:46,560 --> 01:22:48,639 with all the factual numbers required 2085 01:22:48,639 --> 01:22:51,920 for curbside pickup? 2086 01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:53,750 >> Uh, through your worship. I'm actually 2087 01:22:53,750 --> 01:22:53,760 » Uh, through your worship. I'm actually 2088 01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:55,440 going to work backwards on that one. So, 2089 01:22:55,440 --> 01:22:57,920 I I spoke with a supplier for for 2090 01:22:57,920 --> 01:23:00,400 delivering a truck. So looking at all of 2091 01:23:00,400 --> 01:23:02,480 the options, whether you know curbside 2092 01:23:02,480 --> 01:23:04,000 collection would be delivered by a 2093 01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:06,000 contractor, would be delivered by the 2094 01:23:06,000 --> 01:23:07,600 municipality, or whether we'd not do it 2095 01:23:07,600 --> 01:23:09,920 at all. Um, work backwards on on what 2096 01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:12,400 would take the longest time. And for a 2097 01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:14,159 garbage truck provider to deliver a 2098 01:23:14,159 --> 01:23:15,760 truck, we're looking at a 100 days 2099 01:23:15,760 --> 01:23:18,560 minimum. Um, so I think that we need to 2100 01:23:18,560 --> 01:23:21,040 shoot for uh having information to you 2101 01:23:21,040 --> 01:23:22,960 guys before July 1st of next year to 2102 01:23:22,960 --> 01:23:24,800 allow us sufficient time to tender and 2103 01:23:24,800 --> 01:23:26,560 be able to uh purchase a truck in 2104 01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:30,080 advance of of uh the next season. 2105 01:23:30,080 --> 01:23:33,430 >> Okay. A follow-up question. Are we 2106 01:23:33,430 --> 01:23:33,440 » Okay. A follow-up question. Are we 2107 01:23:33,440 --> 01:23:35,760 getting deep in the weeds, so to speak, 2108 01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:38,880 if we put a questionnaire out with next 2109 01:23:38,880 --> 01:23:41,280 year's municipal election as to see what 2110 01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:45,040 the the people want? because this would 2111 01:23:45,040 --> 01:23:48,400 be an this would add expense to the tax 2112 01:23:48,400 --> 01:23:50,560 bill. There's no question about it. 2113 01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:52,229 >> We we don't know that yet. 2114 01:23:52,229 --> 01:23:52,239 » We we don't know that yet. 2115 01:23:52,239 --> 01:23:53,510 >> We don't know that yet. 2116 01:23:53,510 --> 01:23:53,520 » We don't know that yet. 2117 01:23:53,520 --> 01:23:55,030 >> We don't because that's why they're 2118 01:23:55,030 --> 01:23:55,040 » We don't because that's why they're 2119 01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:57,600 asking for the request to get the 2120 01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:59,280 numbers. So, we can't say that it will 2121 01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:00,159 cost more. 2122 01:24:00,159 --> 01:24:02,790 >> There's potential for adding expense to 2123 01:24:02,790 --> 01:24:02,800 » There's potential for adding expense to 2124 01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:06,080 the tax bill, but I know there's a lot 2125 01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:09,600 of things that are not in the expense 2126 01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:13,280 should we go to curbside pickup. Um, I 2127 01:24:13,280 --> 01:24:14,880 know the director of operation well 2128 01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:17,120 enough that he would be about two light 2129 01:24:17,120 --> 01:24:19,120 years ahead of me on this statement. We 2130 01:24:19,120 --> 01:24:22,000 also need to look into electric trucks. 2131 01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:24,480 Uh, trucks that are going on a frequency 2132 01:24:24,480 --> 01:24:26,719 basis like this every day and they're 2133 01:24:26,719 --> 01:24:29,280 only doing X number of hours. I know 2134 01:24:29,280 --> 01:24:32,000 that some of the cities are on electric 2135 01:24:32,000 --> 01:24:34,880 truck pickup. Now, there should be ample 2136 01:24:34,880 --> 01:24:38,000 ample information out there as to the 2137 01:24:38,000 --> 01:24:42,719 success of these trucks or not. and uh I 2138 01:24:42,719 --> 01:24:44,239 would look forward to seeing all of this 2139 01:24:44,239 --> 01:24:45,600 at some point. Thank you. 2140 01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,229 >> So, based on what the director indicated 2141 01:24:48,229 --> 01:24:48,239 » So, based on what the director indicated 2142 01:24:48,239 --> 01:24:51,440 as far as having it back to us by July, 2143 01:24:51,440 --> 01:24:54,480 if it were to be cost prohibitive or 2144 01:24:54,480 --> 01:24:56,560 what have you, depending on information 2145 01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:59,199 that comes back from the department, we 2146 01:24:59,199 --> 01:25:01,360 could then make it a plebite if it's 2147 01:25:01,360 --> 01:25:04,960 done before July. Correct, Madam Clerk? 2148 01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,440 So, we could. So to the point that 2149 01:25:07,440 --> 01:25:09,199 you're trying to make until we have the 2150 01:25:09,199 --> 01:25:11,040 information we don't want to make any 2151 01:25:11,040 --> 01:25:14,800 decision um obviously um but having said 2152 01:25:14,800 --> 01:25:18,400 that if it is a borderline decision we 2153 01:25:18,400 --> 01:25:22,080 can give it to the to the residents 2154 01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:24,800 whether they want it or not. So 2155 01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:26,639 depending on how the numbers shake out. 2156 01:25:26,639 --> 01:25:28,000 Go ahead. 2157 01:25:28,000 --> 01:25:30,149 >> Thank you worship. Just an aside from 2158 01:25:30,149 --> 01:25:30,159 » Thank you worship. Just an aside from 2159 01:25:30,159 --> 01:25:32,800 that comment you just made. Based on the 2160 01:25:32,800 --> 01:25:35,199 last x number of years of vote, we're 2161 01:25:35,199 --> 01:25:37,280 only going to get a response from 35 to 2162 01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:40,080 45% of the residents. 2163 01:25:40,080 --> 01:25:41,750 >> Well, let me put it to you this way. 2164 01:25:41,750 --> 01:25:41,760 » Well, let me put it to you this way. 2165 01:25:41,760 --> 01:25:44,880 Most surveys that you do and that like 2166 01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:48,960 it's way below like 2% in some cases if 2167 01:25:48,960 --> 01:25:51,199 you get a 5% response rate. And if you 2168 01:25:51,199 --> 01:25:54,880 look at the the um 2169 01:25:54,880 --> 01:25:56,719 the questionnaires that we've sent out 2170 01:25:56,719 --> 01:26:00,080 even for recreation, what have you. So I 2171 01:26:00,080 --> 01:26:03,360 would say that if and it could mean that 2172 01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:05,440 you'd have more people come out and vote 2173 01:26:05,440 --> 01:26:08,239 too. So it could actually work in 2174 01:26:08,239 --> 01:26:09,600 meaning that you have more people 2175 01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:13,120 interested in making their um their 2176 01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:15,120 opinion known on the plea site as much 2177 01:26:15,120 --> 01:26:18,000 as making their opinion known as for who 2178 01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:21,679 to to vote for. So anyways, I think it's 2179 01:26:21,679 --> 01:26:24,080 premature to have that discussion, but 2180 01:26:24,080 --> 01:26:26,400 um we if this motion was to pass 2181 01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:28,159 tonight, it just gives the authority to 2182 01:26:28,159 --> 01:26:30,719 the staff to gather the information and 2183 01:26:30,719 --> 01:26:33,120 the data to provide us so that we can 2184 01:26:33,120 --> 01:26:35,199 have further discussion and then decide 2185 01:26:35,199 --> 01:26:37,679 where to go from from there. Is that 2186 01:26:37,679 --> 01:26:39,280 correct? 2187 01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:41,110 >> That is correct. Just wanted to be 2188 01:26:41,110 --> 01:26:41,120 » That is correct. Just wanted to be 2189 01:26:41,120 --> 01:26:42,639 clear. Go ahead, councelor Kelman. 2190 01:26:42,639 --> 01:26:45,030 >> Thank you, worship and for you. I just I 2191 01:26:45,030 --> 01:26:45,040 » Thank you, worship and for you. I just I 2192 01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:47,199 have a question. So, what this is asking 2193 01:26:47,199 --> 01:26:49,440 is that all of the non-eligible sources, 2194 01:26:49,440 --> 01:26:51,840 churches and daycarees and campgrounds, 2195 01:26:51,840 --> 01:26:53,280 they have to take their recycling to 2196 01:26:53,280 --> 01:26:54,880 Landstown regardless of where they are 2197 01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:57,280 in the township. That's correct. 2198 01:26:57,280 --> 01:26:58,550 >> Uh through your worship, that is 2199 01:26:58,550 --> 01:26:58,560 » Uh through your worship, that is 2200 01:26:58,560 --> 01:27:00,880 correct. We've done a cost analysis of 2201 01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:02,960 what it would cost for us to have these 2202 01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:05,920 at each depot and it's about $25,000 per 2203 01:27:05,920 --> 01:27:07,360 depot for us to have that service. 2204 01:27:07,360 --> 01:27:08,800 Obviously, we'd be a little bit more the 2205 01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:10,159 further that we get away as well because 2206 01:27:10,159 --> 01:27:12,320 trucking is always the higher cost, but 2207 01:27:12,320 --> 01:27:14,639 our average we figured about $25,000 per 2208 01:27:14,639 --> 01:27:15,440 depot. 2209 01:27:15,440 --> 01:27:19,430 >> So, followup, um, how is that monitored? 2210 01:27:19,430 --> 01:27:19,440 » So, followup, um, how is that monitored? 2211 01:27:19,440 --> 01:27:21,520 So, how do the wayside attendants know 2212 01:27:21,520 --> 01:27:23,760 if the person if if the garbage coming 2213 01:27:23,760 --> 01:27:26,159 in, if it's just in a private vehicle, 2214 01:27:26,159 --> 01:27:28,159 what the source of or the recycling 2215 01:27:28,159 --> 01:27:29,760 short, sorry, what the source of the 2216 01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:31,600 recycling is. How do they know that it's 2217 01:27:31,600 --> 01:27:33,520 coming from a church or from a private 2218 01:27:33,520 --> 01:27:35,280 residence? 2219 01:27:35,280 --> 01:27:37,199 That's a great question and something 2220 01:27:37,199 --> 01:27:38,960 that I will have to look into. 2221 01:27:38,960 --> 01:27:41,030 >> Okay. Thank you. 2222 01:27:41,030 --> 01:27:41,040 » Okay. Thank you. 2223 01:27:41,040 --> 01:27:45,750 >> Stump the director evening. [laughter] 2224 01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:48,080 Um, anybody else before I go back to 2225 01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:50,800 deputy mayor FOD? Okay. Uh, I'll go to 2226 01:27:50,800 --> 01:27:52,239 councelor maybe and then deputy mayor 2227 01:27:52,239 --> 01:27:52,880 Fod. 2228 01:27:52,880 --> 01:27:54,550 >> Thank you, Madam Mayor, and through you. 2229 01:27:54,550 --> 01:27:54,560 » Thank you, Madam Mayor, and through you. 2230 01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:57,040 My question was for the industrial 2231 01:27:57,040 --> 01:27:58,639 commercial 2232 01:27:58,639 --> 01:28:01,520 places that are now using the dump and 2233 01:28:01,520 --> 01:28:02,960 whether they're going to have a 2234 01:28:02,960 --> 01:28:06,080 facility. if we go to curbside to 2235 01:28:06,080 --> 01:28:07,199 actually take it. 2236 01:28:07,199 --> 01:28:12,229 >> Go ahead. 2237 01:28:12,239 --> 01:28:14,159 » Thank you. Through your worship. I I 2238 01:28:14,159 --> 01:28:16,320 don't think that we would be looking to 2239 01:28:16,320 --> 01:28:18,159 change the 2240 01:28:18,159 --> 01:28:21,199 um how the depot operate for anything 2241 01:28:21,199 --> 01:28:23,199 outside of the eligible garbage 2242 01:28:23,199 --> 01:28:25,840 collection. It's this would be mainly 2243 01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:30,159 for um what the recycling. So, in order 2244 01:28:30,159 --> 01:28:32,320 for a system like this to work, I I'll 2245 01:28:32,320 --> 01:28:33,760 take a step back. 2246 01:28:33,760 --> 01:28:35,520 You can't have one in isolation of the 2247 01:28:35,520 --> 01:28:38,880 other. So if we we've spoken with Simo, 2248 01:28:38,880 --> 01:28:40,719 you know, asked this question for about 2249 01:28:40,719 --> 01:28:42,480 six months now what the feasibility 2250 01:28:42,480 --> 01:28:44,719 would be for curbside collection. Um 2251 01:28:44,719 --> 01:28:46,960 because most advanced municipalities 2252 01:28:46,960 --> 01:28:48,400 have gone to curbside collection. It's 2253 01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:49,920 just overall it's it's more 2254 01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:51,280 cost-effective for the residents because 2255 01:28:51,280 --> 01:28:52,880 they don't have to drive every week to 2256 01:28:52,880 --> 01:28:54,960 the to the way site. So they've 2257 01:28:54,960 --> 01:28:56,880 indicated that that there is an appetite 2258 01:28:56,880 --> 01:28:58,320 on their side that they see that it's 2259 01:28:58,320 --> 01:28:59,920 more cost effective for them to operate 2260 01:28:59,920 --> 01:29:02,560 it as as curbside collection. But you 2261 01:29:02,560 --> 01:29:04,159 can't do one in isolation of the other 2262 01:29:04,159 --> 01:29:07,040 because our you know similarly to to us 2263 01:29:07,040 --> 01:29:08,800 not signing an agreement and having them 2264 01:29:08,800 --> 01:29:11,199 take their recycling to to front of 2265 01:29:11,199 --> 01:29:13,040 Young it that won't work or they bring 2266 01:29:13,040 --> 01:29:15,199 their garbage to to our depot and then 2267 01:29:15,199 --> 01:29:16,719 take the recycling to another one 2268 01:29:16,719 --> 01:29:18,239 everything will end up in the garbage 2269 01:29:18,239 --> 01:29:23,520 and and and vice versa. Um, so if Simo 2270 01:29:23,520 --> 01:29:25,520 has has indicated that they are they 2271 01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:26,960 will support it provided that the 2272 01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:28,320 municipality would move forward with 2273 01:29:28,320 --> 01:29:31,679 curbside collection for garbage and that 2274 01:29:31,679 --> 01:29:33,600 that would mean that our systems would 2275 01:29:33,600 --> 01:29:36,000 have to align. So if if we're not if 2276 01:29:36,000 --> 01:29:37,280 they're not collecting curbside 2277 01:29:37,280 --> 01:29:40,239 collection for the the non-eligibles, 2278 01:29:40,239 --> 01:29:42,080 then we wouldn't we wouldn't collect 2279 01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:44,159 curbside for non-eligibles either 2280 01:29:44,159 --> 01:29:45,760 because it's it's the same system. We'd 2281 01:29:45,760 --> 01:29:48,239 have that problem on on the flip scale. 2282 01:29:48,239 --> 01:29:48,550 >> Okay, 2283 01:29:48,550 --> 01:29:48,560 » Okay, 2284 01:29:48,560 --> 01:29:51,590 >> if that makes sense. I think I got my 2285 01:29:51,590 --> 01:29:51,600 » if that makes sense. I think I got my 2286 01:29:51,600 --> 01:29:52,560 answer. Yes. Thank you. 2287 01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:54,870 >> Okay. Sorry, that was very longwinded. 2288 01:29:54,870 --> 01:29:54,880 » Okay. Sorry, that was very longwinded. 2289 01:29:54,880 --> 01:29:57,750 >> That's okay. 2290 01:29:57,750 --> 01:29:57,760 » That's okay. 2291 01:29:57,760 --> 01:29:58,950 >> Go ahead. 2292 01:29:58,950 --> 01:29:58,960 » Go ahead. 2293 01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:00,390 >> Thank you, worship through you to our 2294 01:30:00,390 --> 01:30:00,400 » Thank you, worship through you to our 2295 01:30:00,400 --> 01:30:02,159 director of operations. When I was 2296 01:30:02,159 --> 01:30:04,560 leading reading the non-eligible, the 2297 01:30:04,560 --> 01:30:06,719 only thing I thought jumped off here, 2298 01:30:06,719 --> 01:30:09,440 not mentioned, is our own personal parks 2299 01:30:09,440 --> 01:30:11,920 like Centennial and Kendricks and and 2300 01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:14,480 Jerry Park. I I'm guessing that falls 2301 01:30:14,480 --> 01:30:18,159 under municipal facilities. 2302 01:30:18,159 --> 01:30:19,679 uh through your worship. No, actually 2303 01:30:19,679 --> 01:30:23,199 those are included in the eligible uh 2304 01:30:23,199 --> 01:30:24,000 collection. 2305 01:30:24,000 --> 01:30:24,550 >> Are they? 2306 01:30:24,550 --> 01:30:24,560 » Are they? 2307 01:30:24,560 --> 01:30:25,350 >> They are. 2308 01:30:25,350 --> 01:30:25,360 » They are. 2309 01:30:25,360 --> 01:30:28,149 >> Okay, good. 2310 01:30:28,149 --> 01:30:28,159 » Okay, good. 2311 01:30:28,159 --> 01:30:31,590 >> Any further questions? 2312 01:30:31,590 --> 01:30:31,600 » Any further questions? 2313 01:30:31,600 --> 01:30:32,870 >> Seeing none, I'm going to call the 2314 01:30:32,870 --> 01:30:32,880 » Seeing none, I'm going to call the 2315 01:30:32,880 --> 01:30:34,320 question. All those in favor of the 2316 01:30:34,320 --> 01:30:36,400 motion at hand, 2317 01:30:36,400 --> 01:30:39,360 all those opposed and it is carried 2318 01:30:39,360 --> 01:30:41,679 unanimously. Very much look forward to 2319 01:30:41,679 --> 01:30:43,040 the information that'll come back on 2320 01:30:43,040 --> 01:30:44,960 that report. 2321 01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:46,800 Next item is staff reports. Recreation 2322 01:30:46,800 --> 01:30:48,880 working group immediate 1 to threeyear 2323 01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:53,360 information report. Um so this report is 2324 01:30:53,360 --> 01:30:55,920 provided for information only. I just 2325 01:30:55,920 --> 01:30:58,080 want to make the comment that I'm very 2326 01:30:58,080 --> 01:31:01,040 uh pleased to see this committee that is 2327 01:31:01,040 --> 01:31:03,679 continuing to work robustly and 2328 01:31:03,679 --> 01:31:06,239 providing information all the time. Uh 2329 01:31:06,239 --> 01:31:09,120 so kudos to both staff and members of 2330 01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:10,480 the committee who are working hard to 2331 01:31:10,480 --> 01:31:13,440 get that forward. Any further questions 2332 01:31:13,440 --> 01:31:16,800 on that particular report? 2333 01:31:16,800 --> 01:31:19,520 Okay. Uh, councelor Antoine Hartley, 2334 01:31:19,520 --> 01:31:22,390 >> just um some clarification 2335 01:31:22,390 --> 01:31:22,400 » just um some clarification 2336 01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:24,560 under the financial implications. It 2337 01:31:24,560 --> 01:31:27,520 said that sponsorship packages to fund 2338 01:31:27,520 --> 01:31:29,840 current and future projects uh were 2339 01:31:29,840 --> 01:31:33,360 going to be looked at. So would that 2340 01:31:33,360 --> 01:31:35,120 include 2341 01:31:35,120 --> 01:31:37,120 um 2342 01:31:37,120 --> 01:31:41,120 so on the list here is uh $65,000 2343 01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:44,320 towards a shade structure at Cely's Bay. 2344 01:31:44,320 --> 01:31:48,159 So if a community group uh came forward 2345 01:31:48,159 --> 01:31:51,520 uh with a donation to 2346 01:31:51,520 --> 01:31:53,669 >> kind of like the viewing platform that 2347 01:31:53,669 --> 01:31:53,679 » kind of like the viewing platform that 2348 01:31:53,679 --> 01:31:55,440 happened in Llinter. Yes. 2349 01:31:55,440 --> 01:31:59,590 >> To to to improve what you know. 2350 01:31:59,590 --> 01:31:59,600 » To to to improve what you know. 2351 01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:01,830 >> So instead of spending 65 if you brought 2352 01:32:01,830 --> 01:32:01,840 » So instead of spending 65 if you brought 2353 01:32:01,840 --> 01:32:03,920 forward 10 we could do 75. 2354 01:32:03,920 --> 01:32:04,709 >> Yeah. Exactly. 2355 01:32:04,709 --> 01:32:04,719 » Yeah. Exactly. 2356 01:32:04,719 --> 01:32:05,510 >> So that's the question. 2357 01:32:05,510 --> 01:32:05,520 » So that's the question. 2358 01:32:05,520 --> 01:32:09,189 >> That that's the question. Thank you. 2359 01:32:09,189 --> 01:32:09,199 » That that's the question. Thank you. 2360 01:32:09,199 --> 01:32:11,270 >> Would that be would that donation be 2361 01:32:11,270 --> 01:32:11,280 » Would that be would that donation be 2362 01:32:11,280 --> 01:32:13,840 welcome? 2363 01:32:13,840 --> 01:32:15,040 uh through your worship, I would think 2364 01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:17,040 that donations for the municipality 2365 01:32:17,040 --> 01:32:19,679 would always be accepted 2366 01:32:19,679 --> 01:32:22,870 >> and um just understanding that this the 2367 01:32:22,870 --> 01:32:22,880 » and um just understanding that this the 2368 01:32:22,880 --> 01:32:25,120 structure would have to be built within 2369 01:32:25,120 --> 01:32:28,159 accordance to municipal standards and uh 2370 01:32:28,159 --> 01:32:31,600 regardless of what um the want would be. 2371 01:32:31,600 --> 01:32:34,480 Um, I know that in past sometimes we've 2372 01:32:34,480 --> 01:32:36,880 had some challenges with people want a 2373 01:32:36,880 --> 01:32:38,320 certain thing, but it didn't meet 2374 01:32:38,320 --> 01:32:41,440 municipal requirements. So, we have to 2375 01:32:41,440 --> 01:32:43,920 build because it's a liability and a 2376 01:32:43,920 --> 01:32:45,920 risk. So, I just want to put that out 2377 01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:47,840 there. Not that we're turning down any 2378 01:32:47,840 --> 01:32:50,320 sort of donations, but I just wanted to 2379 01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:54,080 be very clear. Okay. Okay. Councelor, 2380 01:32:54,080 --> 01:32:54,960 maybe. 2381 01:32:54,960 --> 01:32:56,629 >> Thank you, Madam Mayor. through you. Uh 2382 01:32:56,629 --> 01:32:56,639 » Thank you, Madam Mayor. through you. Uh 2383 01:32:56,639 --> 01:32:58,719 for any of the items listed that have a 2384 01:32:58,719 --> 01:33:01,360 high dollar value, is there grants being 2385 01:33:01,360 --> 01:33:03,920 uh asked for or submitted anywhere to 2386 01:33:03,920 --> 01:33:05,679 help fund these 2387 01:33:05,679 --> 01:33:07,189 >> director? 2388 01:33:07,189 --> 01:33:07,199 » director? 2389 01:33:07,199 --> 01:33:09,199 Through your worship? Absolutely. We're 2390 01:33:09,199 --> 01:33:12,159 we are tracking um funding opportunities 2391 01:33:12,159 --> 01:33:13,920 all the time. I just reached out to 2392 01:33:13,920 --> 01:33:16,239 Grant Match today uh to set up a meeting 2393 01:33:16,239 --> 01:33:17,920 with them to start looking at some of 2394 01:33:17,920 --> 01:33:19,760 these uh things that we've included in 2395 01:33:19,760 --> 01:33:23,040 the the proposed budget and uh have it 2396 01:33:23,040 --> 01:33:24,480 open up that discussion with them to see 2397 01:33:24,480 --> 01:33:25,840 what opportunities are out there that we 2398 01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:26,560 can move forward with. 2399 01:33:26,560 --> 01:33:27,669 >> Excellent. Thank you. 2400 01:33:27,669 --> 01:33:27,679 » Excellent. Thank you. 2401 01:33:27,679 --> 01:33:29,830 >> Okay, deputy mayor. Go ahead. 2402 01:33:29,830 --> 01:33:29,840 » Okay, deputy mayor. Go ahead. 2403 01:33:29,840 --> 01:33:31,430 >> Thank you worship through you to our 2404 01:33:31,430 --> 01:33:31,440 » Thank you worship through you to our 2405 01:33:31,440 --> 01:33:33,679 director of operations. I should mention 2406 01:33:33,679 --> 01:33:36,000 as well as has been mentioned uh this is 2407 01:33:36,000 --> 01:33:38,560 a great report by the way from uh those 2408 01:33:38,560 --> 01:33:41,199 of you who worked on this. It's concise 2409 01:33:41,199 --> 01:33:43,840 and and detailed and all the above. With 2410 01:33:43,840 --> 01:33:46,239 regards to high ticket items, we could 2411 01:33:46,239 --> 01:33:47,920 do what many municipalities are doing 2412 01:33:47,920 --> 01:33:52,000 and that's naming rights. Um we see it 2413 01:33:52,000 --> 01:33:53,600 all the time. Who would envision that 2414 01:33:53,600 --> 01:33:57,280 the gun or the old Kingston arena would 2415 01:33:57,280 --> 01:34:00,080 be referred to as such place? But here 2416 01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:03,120 we are. And I think there's a number of 2417 01:34:03,120 --> 01:34:06,639 of very prosperous uh businesses in our 2418 01:34:06,639 --> 01:34:09,440 township that would gladly step forward 2419 01:34:09,440 --> 01:34:11,280 given the right scenario and put their 2420 01:34:11,280 --> 01:34:14,560 name on it for a 10 15 year period or 2421 01:34:14,560 --> 01:34:17,120 such yet to be worked out. But I I don't 2422 01:34:17,120 --> 01:34:18,480 think it's something that should be 2423 01:34:18,480 --> 01:34:22,159 discarded. I think there's a number of 2424 01:34:22,159 --> 01:34:23,760 like as I said I think there's number of 2425 01:34:23,760 --> 01:34:26,000 businesses if a properly approached and 2426 01:34:26,000 --> 01:34:28,320 negotiated that uh they would they would 2427 01:34:28,320 --> 01:34:31,440 do such and there would be your donation 2428 01:34:31,440 --> 01:34:34,800 per se but uh no this report was well 2429 01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:36,159 done thank you 2430 01:34:36,159 --> 01:34:38,950 >> any further comments or questions 2431 01:34:38,950 --> 01:34:38,960 » any further comments or questions 2432 01:34:38,960 --> 01:34:41,040 seeing none we'll move on to information 2433 01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:44,159 items any information items there madame 2434 01:34:44,159 --> 01:34:44,960 clerk 2435 01:34:44,960 --> 01:34:46,790 >> that's 2436 01:34:46,790 --> 01:34:46,800 » that's 2437 01:34:46,800 --> 01:34:51,590 >> oh no okay um rise and report uh minutes 2438 01:34:51,590 --> 01:34:51,600 » oh no okay um rise and report uh minutes 2439 01:34:51,600 --> 01:34:52,960 from committees, working groups and 2440 01:34:52,960 --> 01:34:56,480 local boards. So pier and the library 2441 01:34:56,480 --> 01:34:59,600 board both minutes from their meetings 2442 01:34:59,600 --> 01:35:02,880 are there. So any questions for that can 2443 01:35:02,880 --> 01:35:07,189 we can direct appropriately. 2444 01:35:07,199 --> 01:35:10,239 Okay, we got notices of motion. Any 2445 01:35:10,239 --> 01:35:14,239 notices of motion? Go ahead. 2446 01:35:14,239 --> 01:35:16,080 I think somebody should speak up on 2447 01:35:16,080 --> 01:35:18,320 behalf of the presentation we had here 2448 01:35:18,320 --> 01:35:20,000 from Knight from the Lindhurst Pickle 2449 01:35:20,000 --> 01:35:23,120 Ball Group. That's not a big ask. And if 2450 01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:24,480 we can keep participation 2451 01:35:24,480 --> 01:35:27,030 >> on what what your There was two options 2452 01:35:27,030 --> 01:35:27,040 » on what what your There was two options 2453 01:35:27,040 --> 01:35:27,520 there. 2454 01:35:27,520 --> 01:35:28,709 >> There was but I 2455 01:35:28,709 --> 01:35:28,719 » There was but I 2456 01:35:28,719 --> 01:35:30,709 >> So it depends on what the ask is because 2457 01:35:30,709 --> 01:35:30,719 » So it depends on what the ask is because 2458 01:35:30,719 --> 01:35:33,520 one of them is not as intense as the 2459 01:35:33,520 --> 01:35:36,070 >> I would I would take baby steps first. 2460 01:35:36,070 --> 01:35:36,080 » I would I would take baby steps first. 2461 01:35:36,080 --> 01:35:38,310 >> Okay. So So maybe you want to work with 2462 01:35:38,310 --> 01:35:38,320 » Okay. So So maybe you want to work with 2463 01:35:38,320 --> 01:35:40,000 the clerk to bring forward a notice of 2464 01:35:40,000 --> 01:35:41,120 motion regarding the death. 2465 01:35:41,120 --> 01:35:44,070 >> I think we can. I mean, um, you know, I 2466 01:35:44,070 --> 01:35:44,080 » I think we can. I mean, um, you know, I 2467 01:35:44,080 --> 01:35:46,480 I think the working group should be 2468 01:35:46,480 --> 01:35:48,960 tasked with the bigger ask. It should be 2469 01:35:48,960 --> 01:35:51,040 part of this, but, uh, 2470 01:35:51,040 --> 01:35:52,790 >> it is part of that. It already is. 2471 01:35:52,790 --> 01:35:52,800 » it is part of that. It already is. 2472 01:35:52,800 --> 01:35:55,189 >> Oh, I I know it is, but I mean, we'll 2473 01:35:55,189 --> 01:35:55,199 » Oh, I I know it is, but I mean, we'll 2474 01:35:55,199 --> 01:35:56,960 just leave that well enough alone. I'm 2475 01:35:56,960 --> 01:35:59,120 assuming this group that came tonight 2476 01:35:59,120 --> 01:36:01,679 was not aware of this presentation. 2477 01:36:01,679 --> 01:36:03,430 >> They referred to it in the presentation. 2478 01:36:03,430 --> 01:36:03,440 » They referred to it in the presentation. 2479 01:36:03,440 --> 01:36:04,000 They 2480 01:36:04,000 --> 01:36:04,629 >> they did, 2481 01:36:04,629 --> 01:36:04,639 » they did, 2482 01:36:04,639 --> 01:36:06,390 >> but they but they want it to come 2483 01:36:06,390 --> 01:36:06,400 » but they but they want it to come 2484 01:36:06,400 --> 01:36:08,719 forward faster. 2485 01:36:08,719 --> 01:36:10,800 So that and that's why I left the 2486 01:36:10,800 --> 01:36:12,560 discussion to say that we're 2487 01:36:12,560 --> 01:36:16,000 deliberating budget in the next months 2488 01:36:16,000 --> 01:36:19,280 or in the next two weeks so that those 2489 01:36:19,280 --> 01:36:21,280 type of funds that are required to do 2490 01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:23,280 those sorts of things can be discussed 2491 01:36:23,280 --> 01:36:24,800 around this table. 2492 01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:27,510 >> Well, we have yet to see what Phil has 2493 01:36:27,510 --> 01:36:27,520 » Well, we have yet to see what Phil has 2494 01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:29,280 put before us here as to what's going to 2495 01:36:29,280 --> 01:36:31,520 come faster. Maybe a lot of things will 2496 01:36:31,520 --> 01:36:35,280 come slower, but uh the original asked a 2497 01:36:35,280 --> 01:36:37,440 small step. I will work with the clerk 2498 01:36:37,440 --> 01:36:39,040 in bringing that one forward. Thank you. 2499 01:36:39,040 --> 01:36:42,310 >> Thank you. Any other notices of motion? 2500 01:36:42,310 --> 01:36:42,320 » Thank you. Any other notices of motion? 2501 01:36:42,320 --> 01:36:44,239 No other notices of motion, statement or 2502 01:36:44,239 --> 01:36:45,840 announcements from counselors. Go ahead, 2503 01:36:45,840 --> 01:36:47,199 councelor maybe. Go ahead, councelor 2504 01:36:47,199 --> 01:36:48,880 Lackey. 2505 01:36:48,880 --> 01:36:50,470 >> Thank you, Madame Mayor, and through 2506 01:36:50,470 --> 01:36:50,480 » Thank you, Madame Mayor, and through 2507 01:36:50,480 --> 01:36:52,639 you. Uh December 6th, breakfast with 2508 01:36:52,639 --> 01:36:55,679 Santa here at Jesse Street 9 to 11. I'll 2509 01:36:55,679 --> 01:36:58,400 be participating. December 7th, Lions 2510 01:36:58,400 --> 01:37:02,159 Santa in the park. Um on the Sunday, 2511 01:37:02,159 --> 01:37:04,960 I'll be doing them 11 to 2. December 2512 01:37:04,960 --> 01:37:08,159 14th BIA Santa in the Park 11 to two. 2513 01:37:08,159 --> 01:37:10,880 And a large thank you to TLTI for being 2514 01:37:10,880 --> 01:37:13,600 in the Anaki parade. It was a great 2515 01:37:13,600 --> 01:37:17,119 success and uh very thrilled to see any 2516 01:37:17,119 --> 01:37:21,920 TITL equipment there and thank you mayor 2517 01:37:21,920 --> 01:37:24,480 and deputy mayor for being on the float. 2518 01:37:24,480 --> 01:37:26,560 Thank you. 2519 01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:28,629 >> Okay. Any other statements or 2520 01:37:28,629 --> 01:37:28,639 » Okay. Any other statements or 2521 01:37:28,639 --> 01:37:31,040 announcements from counselors? 2522 01:37:31,040 --> 01:37:32,880 I have councelor Antoine Har. Oh, sorry. 2523 01:37:32,880 --> 01:37:34,239 Councelor Lackey and then councelor 2524 01:37:34,239 --> 01:37:35,760 Antoine Harley. 2525 01:37:35,760 --> 01:37:38,790 >> Thank you worship and through you. Um 2526 01:37:38,790 --> 01:37:38,800 » Thank you worship and through you. Um 2527 01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:41,360 here in Lansdown it's u we've we've had 2528 01:37:41,360 --> 01:37:44,480 some uh some great news, some bad news 2529 01:37:44,480 --> 01:37:46,880 all in the same deal. Uh the Landown 2530 01:37:46,880 --> 01:37:50,719 Fresh Mart has been officially sold. Um 2531 01:37:50,719 --> 01:37:53,600 the new owners are uh Rick and Kelly 2532 01:37:53,600 --> 01:37:56,239 Sani. They have two sons, Sunny and Sam. 2533 01:37:56,239 --> 01:37:58,400 I believe they're all involved in the in 2534 01:37:58,400 --> 01:38:02,639 the business. Um, Silvin and Yoro Fernit 2535 01:38:02,639 --> 01:38:04,560 have owned the uh the store for the last 2536 01:38:04,560 --> 01:38:07,040 36 years. They bought it from other 2537 01:38:07,040 --> 01:38:09,440 family members in 1989. 2538 01:38:09,440 --> 01:38:11,520 Um, and they've done a great job of 2539 01:38:11,520 --> 01:38:14,080 looking after our community with great 2540 01:38:14,080 --> 01:38:17,280 service, great products. Uh, I know 2541 01:38:17,280 --> 01:38:19,360 everybody in our neck of the woods is 2542 01:38:19,360 --> 01:38:21,520 going to miss them. Uh, we wish them 2543 01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:24,560 well in the next stage of their lives 2544 01:38:24,560 --> 01:38:26,080 because as far as I'm concerned, they're 2545 01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:28,239 pretty young yet, meaning they're my 2546 01:38:28,239 --> 01:38:30,000 age. 2547 01:38:30,000 --> 01:38:34,229 your worship. 2548 01:38:34,239 --> 01:38:36,159 » It's all right. I'll take that hit. 2549 01:38:36,159 --> 01:38:37,910 >> Um, again, I'd like to congratulate the 2550 01:38:37,910 --> 01:38:37,920 » Um, again, I'd like to congratulate the 2551 01:38:37,920 --> 01:38:39,360 new owners as well as the previous 2552 01:38:39,360 --> 01:38:44,149 owners on uh on the future. 2553 01:38:44,159 --> 01:38:46,159 » Okay, Councelor Antoine Hartley. Thank 2554 01:38:46,159 --> 01:38:50,080 you, your worship. Um, so great job done 2555 01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:53,360 by the organizers of the shop and hop. 2556 01:38:53,360 --> 01:38:55,760 It was a wonderful event. I'm sporting a 2557 01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:58,320 brand new sweater. I'll have you know uh 2558 01:38:58,320 --> 01:39:01,280 from my trip uh trip around as well as a 2559 01:39:01,280 --> 01:39:04,159 lot of other treasures. Um it was a 2560 01:39:04,159 --> 01:39:07,199 wonderful event and and uh they I I 2561 01:39:07,199 --> 01:39:08,960 think they were very satisfied as well. 2562 01:39:08,960 --> 01:39:10,880 And I didn't get a chance to get to 2563 01:39:10,880 --> 01:39:13,199 everybody. I think I only made it to 13 2564 01:39:13,199 --> 01:39:16,159 of the 19 stops, but uh I plan on making 2565 01:39:16,159 --> 01:39:19,280 it to a few more before uh Christmas 2566 01:39:19,280 --> 01:39:22,960 time. Um the Legion uh Silly Bay Legion 2567 01:39:22,960 --> 01:39:25,280 is having a community children's 2568 01:39:25,280 --> 01:39:29,600 Christmas party. uh this Saturday uh at 2569 01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:33,760 um from 1 to 4 and it's being uh 2570 01:39:33,760 --> 01:39:36,639 supported by uh Sbury Area Residents 2571 01:39:36,639 --> 01:39:38,800 Association, the Lions Club, uh the 2572 01:39:38,800 --> 01:39:41,199 ladies auxiliary. There'll be Santa and 2573 01:39:41,199 --> 01:39:42,880 some elves. I think there's a costume 2574 01:39:42,880 --> 01:39:45,360 waiting for me somewhere. Um there's 2575 01:39:45,360 --> 01:39:48,159 crafts, there's cookie decorating, 2576 01:39:48,159 --> 01:39:51,040 uh food to purchase. Uh and it's 2577 01:39:51,040 --> 01:39:53,920 wonderful to see uh that that community 2578 01:39:53,920 --> 01:39:55,199 pulling together with all the 2579 01:39:55,199 --> 01:39:58,560 organizations and the helping at the 2580 01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:00,880 Legion to make that a great day for the 2581 01:40:00,880 --> 01:40:04,800 kids. And congratulations to uh Silly's 2582 01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:08,560 Bay, Olivet United Churches and Landown 2583 01:40:08,560 --> 01:40:11,360 United Church for thinking outside the 2584 01:40:11,360 --> 01:40:15,360 box and as of July 1st they will be 2585 01:40:15,360 --> 01:40:19,280 joining forces and form a partnership 2586 01:40:19,280 --> 01:40:23,520 uh that will u see them well we actually 2587 01:40:23,520 --> 01:40:27,119 kind of sold our minister 25% of them 2588 01:40:27,119 --> 01:40:30,000 to the lands down and but it's going to 2589 01:40:30,000 --> 01:40:32,880 be um a a wonderful opportunity I think 2590 01:40:32,880 --> 01:40:36,880 for our our small churches to find a 2591 01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:41,040 sustainable way forward and uh I'm uh 2592 01:40:41,040 --> 01:40:42,400 I'm looking forward to building those 2593 01:40:42,400 --> 01:40:45,760 relationships. Um so yeah, that's 2594 01:40:45,760 --> 01:40:48,320 congratulations to them for thinking 2595 01:40:48,320 --> 01:40:49,600 that through. 2596 01:40:49,600 --> 01:40:52,550 >> Awesome. Go ahead, Christa. 2597 01:40:52,550 --> 01:40:52,560 » Awesome. Go ahead, Christa. 2598 01:40:52,560 --> 01:40:54,070 >> Yeah, thank you. The Rockport 2599 01:40:54,070 --> 01:40:54,080 » Yeah, thank you. The Rockport 2600 01:40:54,080 --> 01:40:56,239 Development Group has their annual 2601 01:40:56,239 --> 01:40:59,119 general meeting Wednesday at 6:30 at the 2602 01:40:59,119 --> 01:41:01,360 Rockport Rec Hall. Um, I'll be attending 2603 01:41:01,360 --> 01:41:02,960 and I'm sure that they would welcome 2604 01:41:02,960 --> 01:41:04,639 other counselors and community members 2605 01:41:04,639 --> 01:41:06,560 out as well. Thank you. 2606 01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:09,750 >> Excellent. Go ahead, Dr. Mayor Fod. 2607 01:41:09,750 --> 01:41:09,760 » Excellent. Go ahead, Dr. Mayor Fod. 2608 01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:12,149 >> Thank you, Worship Muryu. This past 2609 01:41:12,149 --> 01:41:12,159 » Thank you, Worship Muryu. This past 2610 01:41:12,159 --> 01:41:15,600 week, uh, Lancetown lost one of its most 2611 01:41:15,600 --> 01:41:18,719 noted residents. Uh, Bill Bolton had 2612 01:41:18,719 --> 01:41:21,440 lived on Frederick Street for I don't 2613 01:41:21,440 --> 01:41:24,080 know how many years. Long time. But Bill 2614 01:41:24,080 --> 01:41:26,639 was better known as a lifelong teacher, 2615 01:41:26,639 --> 01:41:29,280 but better maybe known locally here as a 2616 01:41:29,280 --> 01:41:32,080 historian. Bill was also an author, but 2617 01:41:32,080 --> 01:41:33,920 Bill worked tirelessly for the 2618 01:41:33,920 --> 01:41:36,320 historical society on his own right. He 2619 01:41:36,320 --> 01:41:38,639 was basically the head of the historical 2620 01:41:38,639 --> 01:41:41,119 society before we had an historical 2621 01:41:41,119 --> 01:41:42,639 society. 2622 01:41:42,639 --> 01:41:43,679 Bill [clears throat] has donated 2623 01:41:43,679 --> 01:41:46,239 numerous items to EScott Hall 2624 01:41:46,239 --> 01:41:49,360 Springfield House. Uh the family brought 2625 01:41:49,360 --> 01:41:51,360 a number of those items to a celebration 2626 01:41:51,360 --> 01:41:53,760 of life Saturday when they come over to 2627 01:41:53,760 --> 01:41:55,600 the community building after the service 2628 01:41:55,600 --> 01:41:58,719 down at the funeral home. And uh maybe 2629 01:41:58,719 --> 01:42:01,520 one of the most unique items I saw that 2630 01:42:01,520 --> 01:42:03,040 day 2631 01:42:03,040 --> 01:42:06,639 when Bill helped create the plaques that 2632 01:42:06,639 --> 01:42:09,119 sit around our township. The one down 2633 01:42:09,119 --> 01:42:10,880 here at the railway on the top left 2634 01:42:10,880 --> 01:42:13,440 corner is a picture of a little boy 2635 01:42:13,440 --> 01:42:16,560 wearing a railway outfit. That's Bill 2636 01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:18,719 Bolan in that picture himself. He was 2637 01:42:18,719 --> 01:42:20,639 about six year five or six years old in 2638 01:42:20,639 --> 01:42:22,719 that picture. I found out from his 2639 01:42:22,719 --> 01:42:25,520 daughter, Bill's father was an engineer 2640 01:42:25,520 --> 01:42:28,080 on CN Railway and he had that pair of 2641 01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:32,000 overalls ordered for Bill to fit. That 2642 01:42:32,000 --> 01:42:34,480 pair of overalls were dry cleananed and 2643 01:42:34,480 --> 01:42:37,920 stored until this past week. They had 2644 01:42:37,920 --> 01:42:40,560 them, excuse me, they had them on 2645 01:42:40,560 --> 01:42:43,119 display over here the other day and they 2646 01:42:43,119 --> 01:42:45,679 look like they just came from a catalog 2647 01:42:45,679 --> 01:42:47,440 somewhere or the eating store or 2648 01:42:47,440 --> 01:42:50,159 wherever. They're going to donate those 2649 01:42:50,159 --> 01:42:52,719 pair of overalls along with the number 2650 01:42:52,719 --> 01:42:55,040 of other items have yet to be determined 2651 01:42:55,040 --> 01:42:57,920 when they go through Bill's numerous 2652 01:42:57,920 --> 01:43:01,280 pieces of history and history I should 2653 01:43:01,280 --> 01:43:04,560 say and uh and memorabilia at the house 2654 01:43:04,560 --> 01:43:06,960 and uh as they jokingly said it may take 2655 01:43:06,960 --> 01:43:09,520 us a couple of years to do so but it's 2656 01:43:09,520 --> 01:43:13,119 it's a loss to lose uh a member of the 2657 01:43:13,119 --> 01:43:15,679 community so well known as Bill but he 2658 01:43:15,679 --> 01:43:17,679 left a legacy and and through 2659 01:43:17,679 --> 01:43:20,239 Springfield House and Escott uh Escott 2660 01:43:20,239 --> 01:43:22,320 Hall and Springfield House. He'll uh 2661 01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:25,760 he'll remain a part of our our lives for 2662 01:43:25,760 --> 01:43:28,000 generations yet to come. I also want to 2663 01:43:28,000 --> 01:43:31,119 thank uh the teamwork that's taking 2664 01:43:31,119 --> 01:43:32,480 place through our department of 2665 01:43:32,480 --> 01:43:36,080 operations. Um namely things such as the 2666 01:43:36,080 --> 01:43:38,719 new pavement at Rockport. I've driven 2667 01:43:38,719 --> 01:43:40,800 through there a number of times before, 2668 01:43:40,800 --> 01:43:43,280 during, and now finished. That that's 2669 01:43:43,280 --> 01:43:46,159 impressive. It's it's very well done. I 2670 01:43:46,159 --> 01:43:48,000 know there's other jobs that Tackerberry 2671 01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:50,400 has done for us. Uh the pathways in 2672 01:43:50,400 --> 01:43:52,960 Lhurst and Silly's Bay. I haven't made 2673 01:43:52,960 --> 01:43:55,280 it to the one in Silly's Bay, nor have I 2674 01:43:55,280 --> 01:43:57,040 covered the entirety of the one in 2675 01:43:57,040 --> 01:44:01,040 Lynhurst yet. Um the county road project 2676 01:44:01,040 --> 01:44:04,400 out here on Warbertton Road and now part 2677 01:44:04,400 --> 01:44:07,440 of Blue Mountain down to uh 2678 01:44:07,440 --> 01:44:10,000 Rockfield has uh had its first layer 2679 01:44:10,000 --> 01:44:11,600 completed. I was talking to those men 2680 01:44:11,600 --> 01:44:13,199 when they were wrapping up last Thursday 2681 01:44:13,199 --> 01:44:15,199 and they said uh that would stay that 2682 01:44:15,199 --> 01:44:16,719 way till spring when they come back to 2683 01:44:16,719 --> 01:44:18,880 put the second layer on. But it's nice 2684 01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:22,080 to see these projects um wrapping up as 2685 01:44:22,080 --> 01:44:24,000 our year is doing the same and before 2686 01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:27,360 the next budget and u I'll leave the 2687 01:44:27,360 --> 01:44:28,800 question mark out there for whoever 2688 01:44:28,800 --> 01:44:30,960 cares to answer it. There's still a few 2689 01:44:30,960 --> 01:44:33,119 projects not answered yet as to 2690 01:44:33,119 --> 01:44:35,840 Springfield House Escott Hall when the 2691 01:44:35,840 --> 01:44:37,920 ribbon cutting is for the George 2692 01:44:37,920 --> 01:44:40,639 Tackerberry home and such. So, if 2693 01:44:40,639 --> 01:44:42,880 anybody has information on those, I'd be 2694 01:44:42,880 --> 01:44:45,199 keen to hear it. Thank you. 2695 01:44:45,199 --> 01:44:48,717 >> You want to go first with Escott? 2696 01:44:48,717 --> 01:44:48,727 » You want to go first with Escott? 2697 01:44:48,727 --> 01:44:50,320 [laughter] 2698 01:44:50,320 --> 01:44:52,229 >> Uh, thank you. Through your worship. So, 2699 01:44:52,229 --> 01:44:52,239 » Uh, thank you. Through your worship. So, 2700 01:44:52,239 --> 01:44:54,880 the Escott Hall and Springfield House. 2701 01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:56,639 Um, we've encountered some delays with 2702 01:44:56,639 --> 01:44:58,639 the archaeology study in in terms of the 2703 01:44:58,639 --> 01:45:00,800 Springfield House. So, that likely won't 2704 01:45:00,800 --> 01:45:04,400 happen until 2026. Um, we've spoken with 2705 01:45:04,400 --> 01:45:06,159 the contractor. They said that uh you 2706 01:45:06,159 --> 01:45:08,000 know it would require an additional mo 2707 01:45:08,000 --> 01:45:12,239 in moout and time spent um hotels etc. 2708 01:45:12,239 --> 01:45:13,520 So there they would expect some 2709 01:45:13,520 --> 01:45:15,920 additional costs. Um so we we haven't 2710 01:45:15,920 --> 01:45:17,440 had discussions about next steps with 2711 01:45:17,440 --> 01:45:18,960 that one at this point until we've seen 2712 01:45:18,960 --> 01:45:22,800 numbers. Uh the ESCO hall we are moving 2713 01:45:22,800 --> 01:45:24,639 forward. The the walls are being 2714 01:45:24,639 --> 01:45:26,400 painted. The the flooring is being 2715 01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:29,040 selected. Um door doors are supposed to 2716 01:45:29,040 --> 01:45:32,560 be coming and the the elevator lift. Um, 2717 01:45:32,560 --> 01:45:33,840 all that's supposed to start happening 2718 01:45:33,840 --> 01:45:35,600 here in the next couple weeks with the 2719 01:45:35,600 --> 01:45:37,760 project estimated to be completed now at 2720 01:45:37,760 --> 01:45:39,760 uh the end of January. 2721 01:45:39,760 --> 01:45:42,149 >> So, the question that deputy mayor FOD 2722 01:45:42,149 --> 01:45:42,159 » So, the question that deputy mayor FOD 2723 01:45:42,159 --> 01:45:44,719 has asked is would we be able to or at 2724 01:45:44,719 --> 01:45:47,119 least how I understood it, would we be 2725 01:45:47,119 --> 01:45:49,679 able to open the archives hall, the 2726 01:45:49,679 --> 01:45:51,679 Escott Rockport Hall before Springfield 2727 01:45:51,679 --> 01:45:53,280 House or do they both have to be done in 2728 01:45:53,280 --> 01:45:54,719 order to open? 2729 01:45:54,719 --> 01:45:58,390 >> Um, the Springfield House, we haven't 2730 01:45:58,390 --> 01:45:58,400 » Um, the Springfield House, we haven't 2731 01:45:58,400 --> 01:46:00,080 really done anything with it on the 2732 01:46:00,080 --> 01:46:02,560 inside. Structurally, the main floor is 2733 01:46:02,560 --> 01:46:05,840 secure now. Um, but the the hope is to 2734 01:46:05,840 --> 01:46:07,840 get the archives completely into their 2735 01:46:07,840 --> 01:46:09,600 building and then come back to council 2736 01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:11,360 with what what are the next steps with 2737 01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:12,800 the Springfield House. It'll be 2738 01:46:12,800 --> 01:46:15,119 completely vacated at that point. Um, we 2739 01:46:15,119 --> 01:46:16,719 do have to do some work with the HVAC in 2740 01:46:16,719 --> 01:46:19,600 there. It's not working correctly. Um, 2741 01:46:19,600 --> 01:46:20,960 so there's there's really no air 2742 01:46:20,960 --> 01:46:23,280 conditioning in that building. Um, but 2743 01:46:23,280 --> 01:46:24,800 certainly there's there's some work that 2744 01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:27,040 needs to be done in there before uh 2745 01:46:27,040 --> 01:46:28,800 before we move forward. So, we could 2746 01:46:28,800 --> 01:46:30,800 conceivably have a ribbon cutting for 2747 01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:33,920 Escott Hall in early 2026. 2748 01:46:33,920 --> 01:46:35,990 >> That is correct. The the intent is to 2749 01:46:35,990 --> 01:46:36,000 » That is correct. The the intent is to 2750 01:46:36,000 --> 01:46:38,400 get the uh the art trans group in into 2751 01:46:38,400 --> 01:46:41,360 the building situated and comfortable um 2752 01:46:41,360 --> 01:46:42,960 before we do the the grand opening so 2753 01:46:42,960 --> 01:46:44,320 that everybody can see what it looks 2754 01:46:44,320 --> 01:46:46,719 like as a finished product. Um so, yeah, 2755 01:46:46,719 --> 01:46:48,320 I would expect that springtime would be 2756 01:46:48,320 --> 01:46:49,920 the ideal time to to do the ribbon 2757 01:46:49,920 --> 01:46:51,360 cutting for that project. 2758 01:46:51,360 --> 01:46:52,790 >> Excellent. 2759 01:46:52,790 --> 01:46:52,800 » Excellent. 2760 01:46:52,800 --> 01:46:54,800 So, we'll hopefully have something to 2761 01:46:54,800 --> 01:46:58,080 put on our calendars early in 2026. 2762 01:46:58,080 --> 01:47:00,560 And so, now that I've had time to just 2763 01:47:00,560 --> 01:47:04,159 double check my phone, um the ribbon 2764 01:47:04,159 --> 01:47:07,840 cutting has not been booked for GTA yet, 2765 01:47:07,840 --> 01:47:10,639 uh there was an issue with flooding that 2766 01:47:10,639 --> 01:47:13,920 delayed the transition to the from the 2767 01:47:13,920 --> 01:47:17,040 contractor handing the county the keys. 2768 01:47:17,040 --> 01:47:19,600 They have as we have occupy partial 2769 01:47:19,600 --> 01:47:22,800 occupancy as of 2770 01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:26,159 a week and a half ago. What uh so the 2771 01:47:26,159 --> 01:47:28,159 staff are in there and they're training. 2772 01:47:28,159 --> 01:47:31,520 Um but what has to happen is is that the 2773 01:47:31,520 --> 01:47:34,080 the ministry has to come and commission 2774 01:47:34,080 --> 01:47:36,560 the building be meaning they have to 2775 01:47:36,560 --> 01:47:39,280 come in inspect everything see the folks 2776 01:47:39,280 --> 01:47:41,280 in there working seeing how everything's 2777 01:47:41,280 --> 01:47:42,800 flowing making sure they have enough 2778 01:47:42,800 --> 01:47:45,600 staff all the other things in order for 2779 01:47:45,600 --> 01:47:49,040 them to open. So it is proposed and the 2780 01:47:49,040 --> 01:47:50,719 hope is is that in the beginning of 2781 01:47:50,719 --> 01:47:53,600 February we will be cutting the ribbon. 2782 01:47:53,600 --> 01:47:55,119 Go ahead. 2783 01:47:55,119 --> 01:47:57,040 Thank you. Worship through you and to 2784 01:47:57,040 --> 01:48:00,159 you. So the ministry wants to come and 2785 01:48:00,159 --> 01:48:02,400 see that everything's working without 2786 01:48:02,400 --> 01:48:03,199 patience. 2787 01:48:03,199 --> 01:48:05,109 >> Oh no, it's but it's more just the 2788 01:48:05,109 --> 01:48:05,119 » Oh no, it's but it's more just the 2789 01:48:05,119 --> 01:48:07,199 mechanical systems, the nurse call 2790 01:48:07,199 --> 01:48:08,400 systems, 2791 01:48:08,400 --> 01:48:10,470 >> those sorts of things. They need to test 2792 01:48:10,470 --> 01:48:10,480 » those sorts of things. They need to test 2793 01:48:10,480 --> 01:48:14,480 everything mechanically as well as that 2794 01:48:14,480 --> 01:48:17,199 that the people who are responsible for 2795 01:48:17,199 --> 01:48:19,280 running them know how to. So it's just 2796 01:48:19,280 --> 01:48:20,880 because they're just basically coming 2797 01:48:20,880 --> 01:48:23,520 over across the road. So, the good news 2798 01:48:23,520 --> 01:48:26,239 is is that we are staffed. We're short a 2799 01:48:26,239 --> 01:48:28,320 few bodies as of right now, but we're 2800 01:48:28,320 --> 01:48:30,560 overstaffed for the existing home 2801 01:48:30,560 --> 01:48:32,239 because we've upstaffed thinking we 2802 01:48:32,239 --> 01:48:33,920 would be in the home by now. 2803 01:48:33,920 --> 01:48:36,149 >> So, it's a double-edged sword. Um the 2804 01:48:36,149 --> 01:48:36,159 » So, it's a double-edged sword. Um the 2805 01:48:36,159 --> 01:48:37,679 good news is is that we'll be able to 2806 01:48:37,679 --> 01:48:41,119 get in there, but the um the unfortunate 2807 01:48:41,119 --> 01:48:45,199 incident which caused the uh water to 2808 01:48:45,199 --> 01:48:47,920 penetrate the roof and into a brand new 2809 01:48:47,920 --> 01:48:49,840 building 2810 01:48:49,840 --> 01:48:53,280 is extremely disappointing uh that it 2811 01:48:53,280 --> 01:48:56,320 happened. Um but it had to be fixed. It 2812 01:48:56,320 --> 01:48:57,440 had to be fixed, right? I'm just 2813 01:48:57,440 --> 01:48:59,040 grateful it didn't happen when there 2814 01:48:59,040 --> 01:49:01,600 were humans in in there and there would 2815 01:49:01,600 --> 01:49:03,840 have been bigger challenges. So, um, and 2816 01:49:03,840 --> 01:49:05,920 we caught a few couple of extra things 2817 01:49:05,920 --> 01:49:07,840 when they were that needed to be fixed 2818 01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:09,760 before they turned the keys over. So, 2819 01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:11,600 the good news is is that they are moving 2820 01:49:11,600 --> 01:49:14,719 as quickly as possible and that there's 2821 01:49:14,719 --> 01:49:17,040 um the ministry is very much on side 2822 01:49:17,040 --> 01:49:18,560 with getting this. They want the beds 2823 01:49:18,560 --> 01:49:21,040 open as quickly as possible. So, um 2824 01:49:21,040 --> 01:49:22,880 there'll be no delay from the ministry 2825 01:49:22,880 --> 01:49:23,679 end. 2826 01:49:23,679 --> 01:49:24,550 >> Okay. Thank you. 2827 01:49:24,550 --> 01:49:24,560 » Okay. Thank you. 2828 01:49:24,560 --> 01:49:28,550 >> Okay. We also received a delegation from 2829 01:49:28,550 --> 01:49:28,560 » Okay. We also received a delegation from 2830 01:49:28,560 --> 01:49:30,159 So, I'll just go right into the mayor's 2831 01:49:30,159 --> 01:49:32,400 update. We received a delegation from 2832 01:49:32,400 --> 01:49:35,360 Perith Falls Hospital. Right now, 42% of 2833 01:49:35,360 --> 01:49:36,960 their patients are waiting for long-term 2834 01:49:36,960 --> 01:49:39,440 care beds in their hospital. Last time 2835 01:49:39,440 --> 01:49:42,239 they came, it was 49. So, they're 2836 01:49:42,239 --> 01:49:44,000 actually improving the numbers. And I 2837 01:49:44,000 --> 01:49:47,280 believe Kingston and Brockville are 2838 01:49:47,280 --> 01:49:50,560 their numbers are still in the mid30s, 2839 01:49:50,560 --> 01:49:52,800 I believe. So, we know that there's a 2840 01:49:52,800 --> 01:49:54,320 number of people looking for these beds 2841 01:49:54,320 --> 01:49:56,080 and we're trying to get them online as 2842 01:49:56,080 --> 01:49:58,800 quickly as possible. Um just want to say 2843 01:49:58,800 --> 01:50:01,920 congratulations to all the um parade 2844 01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:05,520 organizers. So thank you to our own um 2845 01:50:05,520 --> 01:50:08,159 counselor maybe who slash town crier 2846 01:50:08,159 --> 01:50:11,440 slash parade organizer and his crew. 2847 01:50:11,440 --> 01:50:13,520 Always a great time in Ganona. It was 2848 01:50:13,520 --> 01:50:15,760 lovely to see so many people out and 2849 01:50:15,760 --> 01:50:18,320 such a great evening for weather. Um it 2850 01:50:18,320 --> 01:50:20,080 wasn't raining, it wasn't snowing, it 2851 01:50:20,080 --> 01:50:23,520 was just perfect. Um so it was quite a 2852 01:50:23,520 --> 01:50:24,960 lovely evening. Thank you to Deputy 2853 01:50:24,960 --> 01:50:27,360 Mayor Fod, but uh specifically thank you 2854 01:50:27,360 --> 01:50:30,480 to Lyall Stacy, one of our um public 2855 01:50:30,480 --> 01:50:32,960 works folks who took the time on a 2856 01:50:32,960 --> 01:50:35,600 Saturday night along with his daughter 2857 01:50:35,600 --> 01:50:37,280 and her boyfriend to come out and 2858 01:50:37,280 --> 01:50:39,280 decorate and get everything out. And I 2859 01:50:39,280 --> 01:50:41,679 believe Tyler was the one who got the 2860 01:50:41,679 --> 01:50:43,280 truck ready the evening before. So, it 2861 01:50:43,280 --> 01:50:45,600 was a bit of a team effort, but it's 2862 01:50:45,600 --> 01:50:47,280 always nice to go and support town of 2863 01:50:47,280 --> 01:50:50,239 Yanquway. Um, but obviously we've had 2864 01:50:50,239 --> 01:50:53,520 Landown, we've had Lindhurst. Um, we the 2865 01:50:53,520 --> 01:50:56,080 shop and hop I heard was extremely well 2866 01:50:56,080 --> 01:50:59,600 attended. Um, and I'm really grateful 2867 01:50:59,600 --> 01:51:02,159 that so many people use that opportunity 2868 01:51:02,159 --> 01:51:03,679 to go out and see all the different 2869 01:51:03,679 --> 01:51:06,639 stores in our area and outside of our 2870 01:51:06,639 --> 01:51:08,880 area for that matter. But the fact that 2871 01:51:08,880 --> 01:51:11,040 they all work together so well, I'm 2872 01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:12,480 excited about what they're going to do 2873 01:51:12,480 --> 01:51:14,080 in the summer with some of their other 2874 01:51:14,080 --> 01:51:17,760 marketing efforts. um which is I won't 2875 01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:19,840 you know go too far down the rabbit hole 2876 01:51:19,840 --> 01:51:23,360 on that one um the economic development 2877 01:51:23,360 --> 01:51:27,280 summit last Friday a week ago Friday um 2878 01:51:27,280 --> 01:51:28,800 that was very important for this 2879 01:51:28,800 --> 01:51:31,840 municipality there was a 12 over $12 2880 01:51:31,840 --> 01:51:34,159 million announcement made uh by 2881 01:51:34,159 --> 01:51:36,080 Samsterhoff associate minister for 2882 01:51:36,080 --> 01:51:38,639 energy and connectivity 2883 01:51:38,639 --> 01:51:42,400 um out of that uh amount that was given 2884 01:51:42,400 --> 01:51:44,639 a good portion of that is being spent 2885 01:51:44,639 --> 01:51:48,880 here in this municipality. Um they are 2886 01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:51,520 basically plugging the holes or the gaps 2887 01:51:51,520 --> 01:51:54,320 in the connectivity throughout the 2888 01:51:54,320 --> 01:51:58,400 entire municipality. Um they are working 2889 01:51:58,400 --> 01:52:01,920 very rapidly to um get the 2890 01:52:01,920 --> 01:52:04,080 infrastructure up and running so that 2891 01:52:04,080 --> 01:52:08,480 they can start um looking for clients to 2892 01:52:08,480 --> 01:52:11,360 or customers that are in need of better 2893 01:52:11,360 --> 01:52:13,360 connectivity regardless of the 2894 01:52:13,360 --> 01:52:15,440 topography and where they live which is 2895 01:52:15,440 --> 01:52:18,800 very important. So, I'm extremely proud 2896 01:52:18,800 --> 01:52:22,400 um that after seven years of talking 2897 01:52:22,400 --> 01:52:24,639 about connectivity here in the township 2898 01:52:24,639 --> 01:52:27,040 of Leeds and the Thousand Islands that 2899 01:52:27,040 --> 01:52:29,280 for all the work that's been done to 2900 01:52:29,280 --> 01:52:32,159 actually wire as many people um my 2901 01:52:32,159 --> 01:52:34,400 parents got their con connection, their 2902 01:52:34,400 --> 01:52:36,960 hardwired connection the other day. Um 2903 01:52:36,960 --> 01:52:39,920 and the wires have been hanging on poles 2904 01:52:39,920 --> 01:52:42,080 for quite some time and they're working 2905 01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:44,320 steadily on that. It doesn't happen 2906 01:52:44,320 --> 01:52:48,239 overnight. Um but the this um 2907 01:52:48,239 --> 01:52:50,800 announcement will be for all those who 2908 01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:53,280 aren't getting the hardwired connection 2909 01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:55,520 that they will have additional options 2910 01:52:55,520 --> 01:52:58,480 for connectivity um and through a 2911 01:52:58,480 --> 01:53:02,960 Canadian provider. So um but the 2912 01:53:02,960 --> 01:53:05,840 economic development summit was uh a 2913 01:53:05,840 --> 01:53:08,159 great success. One of the main themes, 2914 01:53:08,159 --> 01:53:10,560 which I know that maybe some folks who 2915 01:53:10,560 --> 01:53:12,480 were in attendance probably were like, 2916 01:53:12,480 --> 01:53:14,320 "Why does this pertain to me as a small 2917 01:53:14,320 --> 01:53:16,639 business owner?" Um, it was in regards 2918 01:53:16,639 --> 01:53:20,880 to uh grid stability. Um, we had the 2919 01:53:20,880 --> 01:53:24,719 folks from IEO there explaining to us 2920 01:53:24,719 --> 01:53:27,360 about what they're doing for a survey to 2921 01:53:27,360 --> 01:53:29,840 try to better understand what the power 2922 01:53:29,840 --> 01:53:33,119 needs are. What people I've had to learn 2923 01:53:33,119 --> 01:53:35,679 this all myself in the last not all 2924 01:53:35,679 --> 01:53:38,080 myself but I've had to learn this 2925 01:53:38,080 --> 01:53:40,880 through sort of osmosis with other folks 2926 01:53:40,880 --> 01:53:43,040 who've done a lot more digging than I 2927 01:53:43,040 --> 01:53:45,679 have. We have all the power in the 2928 01:53:45,679 --> 01:53:47,520 world. We do not have a grid that is 2929 01:53:47,520 --> 01:53:50,639 stable enough to actually use it. And 2930 01:53:50,639 --> 01:53:53,119 the challenges are immense for the large 2931 01:53:53,119 --> 01:53:55,920 businesses that want to grow and employ 2932 01:53:55,920 --> 01:53:57,360 more of our family, friends, and 2933 01:53:57,360 --> 01:54:00,560 neighbors. Um the one business owner, 2934 01:54:00,560 --> 01:54:02,480 Greenfield Ethanol, got up and said that 2935 01:54:02,480 --> 01:54:04,480 they lose a million dollars every time 2936 01:54:04,480 --> 01:54:06,800 the power goes down on the plant. Last 2937 01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:10,159 year it was over $28 million they lost 2938 01:54:10,159 --> 01:54:15,040 because it went down 28 times. So that 2939 01:54:15,040 --> 01:54:17,920 from a business perspective is not 2940 01:54:17,920 --> 01:54:20,960 acceptable. Um, but moreover, we have 2941 01:54:20,960 --> 01:54:24,080 businesses like Greenfield and uh, HFI 2942 01:54:24,080 --> 01:54:26,320 Pyro Technics that are further east of 2943 01:54:26,320 --> 01:54:29,840 here that want to expand and they can't. 2944 01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:31,599 And let's be honest, there's lots of 2945 01:54:31,599 --> 01:54:33,679 people who live in this township and 2946 01:54:33,679 --> 01:54:35,360 drive a half an hour, 40 minutes that 2947 01:54:35,360 --> 01:54:37,920 way to work. No different than going to 2948 01:54:37,920 --> 01:54:40,560 Kingston. We're right smack in the 2949 01:54:40,560 --> 01:54:43,920 middle. And so it's important because 2950 01:54:43,920 --> 01:54:45,679 all the small business owners, the shop 2951 01:54:45,679 --> 01:54:49,040 and hop folks, those people that work at 2952 01:54:49,040 --> 01:54:50,639 those businesses are the ones that go 2953 01:54:50,639 --> 01:54:52,800 out there on a Saturday or a Sunday or a 2954 01:54:52,800 --> 01:54:54,560 Friday afternoon and spend their money 2955 01:54:54,560 --> 01:54:56,480 and support our small businesses in our 2956 01:54:56,480 --> 01:54:58,560 communities. So it's very important that 2957 01:54:58,560 --> 01:55:00,719 we all row this boat in the same 2958 01:55:00,719 --> 01:55:04,639 direction. Um MP Steve Clark has been um 2959 01:55:04,639 --> 01:55:07,199 very much vocal about this and now the 2960 01:55:07,199 --> 01:55:09,760 study has been moved up 7 months which 2961 01:55:09,760 --> 01:55:11,920 I'm very grateful. um because it will 2962 01:55:11,920 --> 01:55:14,639 still take time for us to get the grid 2963 01:55:14,639 --> 01:55:16,639 um up to a certain level that will be 2964 01:55:16,639 --> 01:55:19,199 able to handle the amount of power. Uh 2965 01:55:19,199 --> 01:55:20,719 we also had the minister of small 2966 01:55:20,719 --> 01:55:24,000 business there and Minister Tangry um 2967 01:55:24,000 --> 01:55:25,679 who was here earlier in the summer 2968 01:55:25,679 --> 01:55:27,920 talking about small business with our 2969 01:55:27,920 --> 01:55:30,719 summer company folks and this is going 2970 01:55:30,719 --> 01:55:32,880 to be a shameless plug for starter 2971 01:55:32,880 --> 01:55:34,560 company and starter company plus and 2972 01:55:34,560 --> 01:55:37,760 summer company. If you have a business 2973 01:55:37,760 --> 01:55:39,599 that you are looking to grow and scale, 2974 01:55:39,599 --> 01:55:41,520 starter company plus might be an option 2975 01:55:41,520 --> 01:55:43,760 for you. If you would like to start a 2976 01:55:43,760 --> 01:55:46,080 business in the municipality, starter 2977 01:55:46,080 --> 01:55:49,040 company might be for you. If you have a 2978 01:55:49,040 --> 01:55:52,800 young person, and I believe it's 2979 01:55:52,800 --> 01:55:56,960 15 to I'd have to get the ages um 15 to 2980 01:55:56,960 --> 01:56:00,639 30. It's it goes quite high for summer 2981 01:56:00,639 --> 01:56:02,880 company where they're looking to create 2982 01:56:02,880 --> 01:56:05,920 you to get help to create a business. 2983 01:56:05,920 --> 01:56:08,239 Each one of these programs has a grant 2984 01:56:08,239 --> 01:56:10,480 that comes with them. So you get so much 2985 01:56:10,480 --> 01:56:12,639 upfront to help start your business and 2986 01:56:12,639 --> 01:56:15,199 create a business plan and get mentors 2987 01:56:15,199 --> 01:56:18,719 for marketing, accounting, coaching, all 2988 01:56:18,719 --> 01:56:21,280 sorts of things. Um, and then once you 2989 01:56:21,280 --> 01:56:23,119 complete the program, you get this other 2990 01:56:23,119 --> 01:56:25,679 amount and I believe it's $5,000. Like, 2991 01:56:25,679 --> 01:56:27,440 and for the summer company, I think it's 2992 01:56:27,440 --> 01:56:30,080 three 2993 01:56:30,080 --> 01:56:32,159 15. Thank you. You just look that up for 2994 01:56:32,159 --> 01:56:36,239 me. Thank you. Um, but I cannot stress 2995 01:56:36,239 --> 01:56:39,280 enough that these programs that are 2996 01:56:39,280 --> 01:56:41,119 available to anybody here in the United 2997 01:56:41,119 --> 01:56:42,639 Counties of Leeds and Grumble, including 2998 01:56:42,639 --> 01:56:45,760 TLTI residents, is such a valuable 2999 01:56:45,760 --> 01:56:48,880 program because it really helps build 3000 01:56:48,880 --> 01:56:52,080 confidence, get you on stable footing so 3001 01:56:52,080 --> 01:56:54,719 that you can apply for funding from 3002 01:56:54,719 --> 01:56:57,360 Community Futures or the bank or 3003 01:56:57,360 --> 01:56:59,760 whatever uh in order to make sure that 3004 01:56:59,760 --> 01:57:02,400 your business can um either establish 3005 01:57:02,400 --> 01:57:05,280 itself self or grow or figure out if 3006 01:57:05,280 --> 01:57:08,080 entrepreneur entrepreneurialism is for 3007 01:57:08,080 --> 01:57:10,239 you. Um the summer company was pretty 3008 01:57:10,239 --> 01:57:12,719 incredible. One of the kids made $20,000 3009 01:57:12,719 --> 01:57:16,719 in 2 months literally cleaning cars. It 3010 01:57:16,719 --> 01:57:20,080 was phenomenal. Created his own um car 3011 01:57:20,080 --> 01:57:24,080 cleaning business. So um yeah uh and so 3012 01:57:24,080 --> 01:57:25,840 that's why the economic development 3013 01:57:25,840 --> 01:57:27,679 summit is always really great. We also 3014 01:57:27,679 --> 01:57:30,560 have a the Bill Thake award which was 3015 01:57:30,560 --> 01:57:32,320 awarded to Brian Purcell who's from 3016 01:57:32,320 --> 01:57:35,679 Spencerville who um I have actually 3017 01:57:35,679 --> 01:57:37,040 gotten to know over the years because 3018 01:57:37,040 --> 01:57:39,360 he's in the insurance business but that 3019 01:57:39,360 --> 01:57:41,599 is secondary to what he does in the 3020 01:57:41,599 --> 01:57:43,119 community and Brian has always been a 3021 01:57:43,119 --> 01:57:45,920 very dedicated community-minded person 3022 01:57:45,920 --> 01:57:48,239 which is what the Billake Award is all 3023 01:57:48,239 --> 01:57:52,080 about. So uh did I miss anything that's 3024 01:57:52,080 --> 01:57:54,800 coming up? Oh treelighting in Lanstown I 3025 01:57:54,800 --> 01:58:02,149 believe is Friday. Thank you. And 3026 01:58:02,159 --> 01:58:05,199 oh yes, RTO Canal is upcoming 200 year 3027 01:58:05,199 --> 01:58:08,080 anniversary. Um so they are going to be 3028 01:58:08,080 --> 01:58:10,239 doing a number of projects. There is 3029 01:58:10,239 --> 01:58:13,840 also going to be an assembly of 3030 01:58:13,840 --> 01:58:17,199 of villages, towns along the Reo that 3031 01:58:17,199 --> 01:58:20,320 are going to hopefully be part of 3032 01:58:20,320 --> 01:58:23,040 delegating to the feds uh in regards to 3033 01:58:23,040 --> 01:58:25,440 getting additional funds put together. 3034 01:58:25,440 --> 01:58:28,639 Um we are uh we need to be very vocal 3035 01:58:28,639 --> 01:58:31,360 about the Lasal Causeway and what havoc 3036 01:58:31,360 --> 01:58:34,880 that is wrecking on businesses, towns 3037 01:58:34,880 --> 01:58:38,800 and homes along the Reto Canal. So um 3038 01:58:38,800 --> 01:58:41,440 more to come on that. I know that uh 3039 01:58:41,440 --> 01:58:44,320 Mayor Robin Jones along with uh the 3040 01:58:44,320 --> 01:58:47,520 contact from RTO Canal were supposed to 3041 01:58:47,520 --> 01:58:49,040 uh let us know when they might be 3042 01:58:49,040 --> 01:58:50,480 committing a meeting and I will let the 3043 01:58:50,480 --> 01:58:53,360 rest of council know. 3044 01:58:53,360 --> 01:58:55,760 Other than that, 3045 01:58:55,760 --> 01:58:58,560 okay, that's everything. So, we have no 3046 01:58:58,560 --> 01:59:00,480 closed session this evening. So, we'll 3047 01:59:00,480 --> 01:59:02,480 move right on to adjournment. And then 3048 01:59:02,480 --> 01:59:04,080 the motion comes forward from councelor 3049 01:59:04,080 --> 01:59:06,239 Antoine Hartley, seconded by councelor 3050 01:59:06,239 --> 01:59:10,400 maybe that council adjourn at 7:57. 3051 01:59:10,400 --> 01:59:12,960 All those in favor? All those opposed? 3052 01:59:12,960 --> 01:59:16,960 And we're carried. Thank you, folks.