[1:26] It is 6 pm.
[1:31] Okay. Um just it's 6 p.m. and we will
[1:34] begin this committee of the whole on
[1:36] Monday, December the 1st. And we will
[1:39] start with our land acknowledgement with
[1:41] gratitude. The township of Leeds in the
[1:42] Thousand Islands acknowledges that these
[1:44] lands and waters are traditional
[1:45] territory of the Algangquin, Missaga's
[1:48] Mohawk, and Heron Wendad. To recognize
[1:51] the role that the township must play in
[1:53] truth and reconciliation, we also
[1:54] acknowledge the displacement of these
[1:56] peoples. Additionally, the township
[1:58] would like to respectfully acknowledge
[1:59] the First Nations, Inuit, and Matei
[2:01] people who also call this place home. We
[2:04] make this land acknowledgement to honor
[2:05] the indigenous ancestors who have
[2:07] stewarded these lands and waters since
[2:09] time in memorial.
[2:12] On to number three of our agenda, which
[2:14] is the adoption of the agenda. Motion
[2:15] comes forward from councelor lackey,
[2:17] seconded by councelor Kelman that the
[2:19] agenda be adopted as circulated. Any
[2:22] comments or questions in regards to the
[2:24] agenda? Seeing none, I'll call the
[2:26] question. All those in favor? All those
[2:28] opposed? And it is carried.
[2:32] Next item is declaration of punary
[2:35] interest or general nature thereof. Does
[2:37] anybody have an interest to declare?
[2:40] I have no hands up.
[2:43] So, number five is close session and we
[2:45] have none this evening.
[2:48] Uh we'll move on to delegations and this
[2:51] evening we have Martha and Jack Harvey
[2:53] who are here to uh present and discuss
[2:55] pickle ball in Jonah Street Park and
[2:57] Kendrick's Park. So, if you could please
[2:59] come forward.
[3:11] Okay. Um
[3:16] um hello um madame mayor, counselors,
[3:20] and um township staff. I'm Martha
[3:22] Harvey. I'm from Llinter, and I am here
[3:24] to speak about two object objectives
[3:27] that I have um uh and I'm to talk to you
[3:30] about with regard to pickle ball. Um,
[3:34] first pickle ball lines should be
[3:36] painted on Jonah Street Park basketball
[3:38] court in Llinters this spring. And
[3:41] number two, option two from the
[3:43] recreation report should be chosen with
[3:46] regard to the Kendrick's Park upgrade.
[3:49] [clears throat] The outline of my talk
[3:50] is I'm going to tell you about the sport
[3:53] of pickle ball. I'm going to tell you
[3:55] why pickle ball line should be painted
[3:57] on the basketball court at Jonas Street
[3:59] Park in Linturst. Then I'll discuss the
[4:02] noise concern regarding the sport. Then
[4:05] I'll discuss the importance of moving
[4:07] forward in a timely manner with option
[4:10] two from the recreation report for
[4:12] Kendrick's Park upgrade. Pickle ball.
[4:16] It's a popular sport throughout North
[4:18] America. It's relatively easy on the
[4:20] body. It's easy to learn how to play. It
[4:24] provides good physical workout. All ages
[4:28] can play, young children to older
[4:30] adults, and it's a social game, both
[4:33] while playing and after playing when the
[4:35] players often gather to socialize.
[4:38] Now, why pickle ball line should be on
[4:41] the Jonas Street Park basketball court?
[4:44] For all of the previously mentioned
[4:46] reasons, it would be positive to have
[4:48] pickle ball in Lindter.
[4:52] In if the Jonas Street Park basketball
[4:54] court doubled as a pickle ball court,
[4:57] the residents of Linest could walk to
[4:59] the park and play the game. This is both
[5:02] convenient and more environmentally
[5:05] friendly than driving to a court. The
[5:09] equipment, the paddles, the balls, and a
[5:12] portable net can be borrowed from the
[5:14] Liners Library, and therefore the game
[5:17] is free to the community.
[5:19] Pickle ball is an inexpensive activity
[5:22] for the township to put in place on the
[5:25] Jonas Street Park basketball court. The
[5:28] court is 40 ft x 60 ft. The concrete pad
[5:32] just needs pickle ball lines to be
[5:34] painted on the court, but in a different
[5:37] color than the basketball lines. The
[5:39] pickle ball lines could be painted this
[5:42] spring. And it's a very quick way to
[5:45] positively enhance the community of
[5:48] Linterest.
[5:49] Lansdown and Celles Bay have pickle ball
[5:52] courts and having access to a court in
[5:55] Linterest makes the activity available
[5:58] in more communities within the township.
[6:02] Now the noise concern noise is made when
[6:05] a pickle ball hits a paddle and some
[6:08] people are concerned about this noise.
[6:10] But before I tell you how the noise
[6:12] concern can be addressed, I would like
[6:14] to relate two hypothetical scenarios
[6:17] that will help to make the points that I
[6:19] have regarding the noise more
[6:22] meaningful.
[6:25] Now, I will relate to these scenarios um
[6:29] regarding myself, but they could easily
[6:32] apply to any member of the Llinters
[6:34] community. So, pretend that that the
[6:37] pickle ball lines have been painted on
[6:38] the basketball court in Jonah Street
[6:40] Park. It's a Sunday afternoon and I say
[6:44] to my husband, "Let's have a game of
[6:45] pickle ball." He agrees. Then I say,
[6:48] "Oh, no, can't. It's Sunday. The library
[6:50] is closed. We can't get the net. We'll
[6:53] have to wait until tomorrow when we can
[6:55] borrow the net." And unless someone else
[6:58] has previously borrowed the net, no
[7:01] pickle ball will be played that day.
[7:04] There will be, [clears throat] excuse
[7:05] me, no noise on the pickle ball court.
[7:10] Monday afternoon comes along, my husband
[7:12] and I, we walk up to the library, we
[7:14] borrow the pickle ball net.
[7:24] We walk across the road from the library
[7:26] to Jonas Street Park and we put the net
[7:28] together.
[7:30] It takes 10, maybe 15 minutes if you
[7:32] haven't done it before.
[7:34] We begin our game. We have a few good
[7:36] rallies. We also miss the ball a lot and
[7:39] we have to chase it. We laugh. We praise
[7:42] each other for our good shots that we
[7:45] make. And then we lament our missed
[7:47] shots. After about an hour, we call it
[7:50] quits. We decide not to keep the net for
[7:53] the week that we're allowed and we
[7:55] return it to the library. We go for an
[7:57] ice cream cone at the post and we had
[8:00] fun. And unless someone else borrows the
[8:04] net, no one else will be playing pickle
[8:07] ball on that court. There will be no
[8:11] noise.
[8:12] Hypothetical scenario number two. My
[8:15] adult children are coming home for the
[8:17] weekend. I want to think of some fun
[8:19] activities for us to do when they come.
[8:22] I think pickle ball. I go to the library
[8:25] on Friday. I borrow the net. I will keep
[8:28] it for several days. And while I have
[8:30] that net, no one else is playing pickle
[8:33] ball on that court. There's no noise. My
[8:38] kids walk through the court on Saturday.
[8:40] They set up the net. They play the game
[8:42] for about an hour. They have a good time
[8:45] and they bring the net back to my house.
[8:47] There will be no noise on the pickle
[8:50] ball court until I return the net and
[8:52] someone else decides to borrow it. Now,
[8:55] these scenarios are not exclusive to my
[8:58] family. the similar scenarios would be
[9:01] apply to other households in Linterest.
[9:07] So now I'll tell you the reasons um how
[9:09] noise can be addressed. Lurst is a small
[9:12] community. Realistically, pickle ball
[9:15] would not be played nonstop,
[9:19] especially when effort is required to
[9:22] set up and take down the portable net
[9:25] and the library is not open daily for
[9:28] the portable net to be borrowed.
[9:31] There's only one court. So any noise
[9:35] created is much much much much I could
[9:38] say that six times less than would be
[9:41] the case where there are numerous pickle
[9:43] ball courts in one space with each court
[9:46] having a permanent net. That's where
[9:49] people come. You want to play pickle
[9:50] ball. The net's there, the court's
[9:52] there. You just walk on. You play the
[9:54] game and there's lots of courts. There's
[9:56] noise. Not here.
[9:59] A schedule could be posted to identify
[10:02] hours when the game could be played.
[10:05] There would likely be a healthy amount
[10:07] of laughter and ball chasing mixed in
[10:10] with the ball hitting, i.e. ball hitting
[10:12] would not be a constant in the game.
[10:16] Jonas Street Park is a playground and
[10:19] some playground noise is to be expected.
[10:24] Now, I'm going to deviate from Jonas
[10:25] Street Park for a moment, but still on
[10:27] the pickle ball theme and in the Llinter
[10:29] area, um, and talk about Kendrick's Park
[10:32] and pickle ball. In addition to having
[10:35] pickle ball court in Jonas Street Park,
[10:38] it would be wonderful to have a
[10:40] dedicated pickle ball court in
[10:42] Kendrick's Park, i.e. where the net is
[10:45] always in place. The Jonas Street Park
[10:48] court would service those who cannot
[10:50] travel to to Kendrick's Park. The
[10:53] dedicated pickle ball courts in
[10:55] Kendrick's Park would benefit those who
[10:57] are in lintest area but who do not want
[11:00] to or who are unable to um put up and
[11:04] take down the portable net.
[11:08] Option two in the recreation report here
[11:14] allows for two pickle ball courts to be
[11:16] built in Kendrick's Park. Option one
[11:19] does not mention building any pickle
[11:22] ball courts. Please choose option two on
[11:25] page 16 of the recreation report.
[11:31] All areas of the township would be
[11:33] serviced with dedicated pickle ball
[11:35] courts if option two of the recreation
[11:38] report is chosen.
[11:40] The recreation report suggests that
[11:42] Kendrick's Park would be upgraded in 5
[11:44] to 10 years. It would be wonderful if
[11:48] the Kendrick's Park upgrade could be
[11:50] sooner than later and maybe the park
[11:53] upgrades could be done in stages with
[11:55] pickle ball courts put into stage one.
[11:59] So, in conclusion,
[12:01] number one, pickle ball lines should be
[12:04] painted on the Jonah Street Park
[12:06] basketball court this spring. Number
[12:09] two, providing llinters with a pickle
[12:12] ball court in a timely fashion is very
[12:16] inexpensive. It's a can of paint.
[12:20] Number three, pickle ball provides an
[12:23] opportunity for some people to
[12:25] experience the sport.
[12:27] Number four, playing the game of pickle
[12:30] ball helps with community spirit,
[12:33] exercise, and socialization for all
[12:36] ages, young to older.
[12:40] Number five, Jonas Street Park is easily
[12:44] accessible to the people in Linterst.
[12:49] Number six, the township would have
[12:52] pickle ball available in Lindurst,
[12:55] Lansdown, and Seelles Bay in a timely
[12:59] manner if pickle ball lines were painted
[13:01] on the Jonas Street Park basketball
[13:03] court. Number seven, noise from the game
[13:07] on the Jonas Street Park court would be
[13:10] minimal.
[13:13] Number eight, Llinter is a very small
[13:16] community. Realistically,
[13:19] many people would not use a pickle ball
[13:21] court in Jonah Street Park, but
[13:25] some people would. Having a single
[13:29] single pickle ball court in Jonas Street
[13:32] Park is like having a canoe dock or
[13:36] swing sets or a swim ladder or a
[13:41] basketball court or the public dock on
[13:44] Llin's Lake or the bicycle equipment
[13:47] that is in Furnace Falls Park. These
[13:50] amenities are not in constant use, but
[13:55] they are used and they are all very much
[14:00] appreciated when they are used. These
[14:03] amenities enhance the community for its
[14:06] residents, for visitors, and for the
[14:09] township. And so and so would having a
[14:13] pickle ball court in Jonas Street Park.
[14:16] And lastly, please choose option two um
[14:20] when upgrading Kendrick's Park. The
[14:23] pickle ball courts in Kendrick's Park
[14:25] should be built sooner than later.
[14:28] Stand.
[14:29] >> Thank you for your presentation.
[14:32] » Thank you for your presentation.
[14:32] Do any of the council members have any
[14:34] questions for the presenter? Go ahead,
[14:36] councelor maybe. And then deputy mayor
[14:38] FOD and then I think I have councelor
[14:40] Antoine Harley. Go ahead.
[14:42] >> Thank you, Madame Mayor. and through
[14:43] » Thank you, Madame Mayor. and through
[14:43] you. I have a few things to kind of
[14:46] ponder here. Uh is is there any data uh
[14:51] to the usage of the basketball court in
[14:53] Jonas Park?
[14:54] >> No, I have no Oh, sorry. I have no data
[14:57] » No, I have no Oh, sorry. I have no data
[14:57] on that other than I I haven't seen a
[14:59] lot of people using it. Um I know that I
[15:02] have seen skateboards up there, but I
[15:04] haven't seen um uh kids playing on it. I
[15:07] I know they have played on it. I have my
[15:09] daughter was one when when she was at
[15:11] home and she and her friends went up. Um
[15:13] but I haven't seen a lot of usage. No.
[15:15] >> Okay. Thank you. That's one. Um and this
[15:17] » Okay. Thank you. That's one. Um and this
[15:17] one may might be to the uh director of
[15:20] operations is the cost of lines that
[15:22] possibly could be painted on a surface
[15:24] since we had something similar to this
[15:26] and what the condition of that court is.
[15:31] » Uh through you your worship. The the
[15:33] court's in decent shape. Uh there are
[15:35] some cracks in it, but nothing that's
[15:37] insurmountable. Um cost of the lines, I
[15:40] would estimate two to three hundred
[15:41] bucks likely to to get that completed.
[15:43] So it's it's fairly cost effective as
[15:44] well.
[15:45] >> Excellent. Thank you very much. And uh
[15:48] » Excellent. Thank you very much. And uh
[15:48] again to uh to have participate action
[15:51] to coin a phrase which is always out
[15:53] there. It's great to hear that. um uh
[15:57] having that much activity and as pickle
[16:00] ball is picking up uh speed across our
[16:03] nation, it would be a good thing to do.
[16:05] And decibel levels any uh the paddle is
[16:09] fairly hard and the ball I've never
[16:11] really actually seen a pickle ball
[16:13] unless you've got one with you. Uh is it
[16:15] what type of ball is it?
[16:17] >> It's a a whiffle a whiffle ball. Um
[16:19] » It's a a whiffle a whiffle ball. Um
[16:19] Peter, may I see your
[16:22] >> I knew somebody would.
[16:29] because we play pickle ball. So, a
[16:31] pickle, this is a whiffle ball. And a
[16:33] pickle ball, a pickle ball is like this,
[16:35] but it's the size. It's
[16:37] >> It's about like that.
[16:39] » It's about like that.
[16:39] >> They're hard.
[16:40] » They're hard.
[16:40] >> Yeah, that's hard. Um, a baseball, a
[16:42] » Yeah, that's hard. Um, a baseball, a
[16:42] small baseball or a fast ball, I think.
[16:44] Would that be correct? A fast ball. Um,
[16:46] and it's um, well, I've seen them be
[16:48] yellow anyway. And then when paddle hits
[16:51] the ball, there is a sound and that's um
[16:53] it's I think it's more annoying to
[16:56] people than it uh a tennis ball hitting.
[16:58] Um but the thing is with llinters, it's
[17:02] one court, right? one court sometimes.
[17:05] Whereas I can see if you have six courts
[17:08] and the net is always there and it's
[17:10] summertime and you've got um 8:00 in the
[17:14] morning till 8:00 at night and somebody
[17:16] is always on one of those courts if not
[17:18] many. Then you've got constant noise.
[17:21] This isn't going to be constant. This is
[17:23] going to be sometimes. And as I said,
[17:26] the amenities in the it won't be used
[17:30] all the time every like constantly, but
[17:32] it will be used. Yeah. And and it's just
[17:35] available for the community. I don't
[17:37] think it'll be something that people
[17:39] will become annoyed with. I I can't I
[17:41] truly don't think it would be.
[17:43] >> No. Thank you very much for that um
[17:45] » No. Thank you very much for that um
[17:45] explanation. I appreciate it very much.
[17:47] That's it for me.
[17:48] >> Deputy Mayor, go ahead.
[17:50] » Deputy Mayor, go ahead.
[17:50] >> Thank you. Worship through you. Has
[17:53] » Thank you. Worship through you. Has
[17:53] there been anticipated complaints on the
[17:55] noise? Like, have you heard other
[17:57] people?
[17:58] >> No, the only person I heard through was
[18:01] » No, the only person I heard through was
[18:01] through David Holiday here.
[18:02] >> Okay.
[18:04] » Okay.
[18:04] Because myself, I've stopped, I've
[18:06] watched, I've drive by with a window
[18:08] down over here at Landown, multiple
[18:10] courts on the move. Noise isn't
[18:12] something that attracts me at all. Yeah,
[18:14] it it I heard it through David uh that
[18:17] that was the reason that it wasn't I I
[18:19] needed to present because and um state
[18:22] this case. Um so maybe David can answer.
[18:25] >> I I believe that the director didn't
[18:27] » I I believe that the director didn't
[18:27] come up with that on his own. So I'll
[18:29] I'll let him answer that.
[18:31] >> Thank you through your worship.
[18:33] » Thank you through your worship.
[18:33] >> Um so through the survey that we put
[18:35] » Um so through the survey that we put
[18:35] out, we did receive more feedback
[18:37] opposing pickle ball than we did
[18:39] requesting it at that location. Um, and
[18:41] it seemed to be more the the neighbors
[18:43] around the the surrounding area adjacent
[18:44] to the park that had concern with it.
[18:46] Um, that's that's what we gathered from
[18:48] from the survey.
[18:50] >> Um, my understanding, David, is it or
[18:52] » Um, my understanding, David, is it or
[18:52] Mr. Holiday, is it three people said no
[18:54] and two people said yes?
[18:57] >> I'm sorry. I I don't
[18:58] » I'm sorry. I I don't
[18:58] >> how many people excuse me, but how many
[19:00] » how many people excuse me, but how many
[19:00] people were against pickle ball and how
[19:02] many people were four?
[19:03] >> Miss Harvey,
[19:04] » Miss Harvey,
[19:04] >> am I sorry.
[19:05] » am I sorry.
[19:05] >> Sorry. In order this isn't a debate back
[19:08] » Sorry. In order this isn't a debate back
[19:08] and forth. This is a delegation. Oh,
[19:10] >> so I've asked him to answer the question
[19:12] » so I've asked him to answer the question
[19:12] and then if you'd like to
[19:14] >> Sorry. All right.
[19:15] » Sorry. All right.
[19:15] >> Um, so there is a way for you to
[19:18] » Um, so there is a way for you to
[19:18] delineate how many people. You just
[19:20] don't have that in front of you right
[19:21] now.
[19:22] >> That is correct.
[19:23] » That is correct.
[19:23] >> Thank you. Okay. So, we can get that
[19:25] » Thank you. Okay. So, we can get that
[19:25] information. I'll let you continue on.
[19:27] Deputy mayor.
[19:28] >> Well, I find it ironic that you got
[19:30] » Well, I find it ironic that you got
[19:30] people opposed to it when they haven't
[19:31] even heard it.
[19:33] >> I mean, that would be typical.
[19:34] » I mean, that would be typical.
[19:34] >> That's not me. this.
[19:35] » That's not me. this.
[19:35] >> No, I'm not saying yourself, but I'm
[19:37] » No, I'm not saying yourself, but I'm
[19:37] saying that it'd be typical when
[19:39] somebody comes up with an idea, there'd
[19:40] be people opposed to something never
[19:42] heard.
[19:43] >> I I would be I would be surprised if the
[19:47] » I I would be I would be surprised if the
[19:47] noise of a pickle ball court would be
[19:48] out of a of a audio level that would
[19:51] actually matter, but that's neither here
[19:54] nor there. Um, and you had made ample
[19:57] examples of the fact you're not playing
[19:59] between midnight and 6:00 a.m. and
[20:01] things like that. I'm being a little
[20:03] sarcastic, I know.
[20:05] But uh no, thanks for the presentation.
[20:07] Thank you.
[20:08] >> Can go ahead, councelor Antoine Hartley.
[20:11] » Can go ahead, councelor Antoine Hartley.
[20:11] >> Yes. Uh thank you your worship. Um I was
[20:14] » Yes. Uh thank you your worship. Um I was
[20:14] just going to to uh reiterate the
[20:18] inclusivity of the pickle ball in the
[20:24] village itself. And I understand that
[20:26] it's in the works to have something at
[20:28] Kendricks, but in in the meantime, uh,
[20:31] and as you've said, there will not be a
[20:34] permanent net up or and the um the the
[20:39] rental of it will be
[20:40] >> from the library and so meaning you have
[20:43] » from the library and so meaning you have
[20:43] to be there when the library is open,
[20:45] right? Yes. Yes. And and no to that. Um,
[20:48] yes. Uh, you have to get the net when
[20:50] the library is open, but you're allowed
[20:52] to borrow it for a week. So, if you knew
[20:54] you wanted to have it on a Thursday and
[20:56] the library is closed, then you would
[20:58] borrow it on a Wednesday. Um, but you're
[21:01] right, it it's not there. If you can't
[21:03] it's not spur of the moment unless the
[21:05] library is open, right?
[21:06] >> So, um, yeah. So, I think I I personally
[21:11] » So, um, yeah. So, I think I I personally
[21:11] think that having the lines uh there
[21:14] would be very um
[21:18] great. It would be good for people who
[21:20] don't drive, people who want to
[21:22] exercise, etc. Um to have that kind of
[21:26] uh just and it's just lines for now
[21:31] [laughter]
[21:32] and with uh Kendrick's being down the
[21:34] road.
[21:34] >> Yeah.
[21:35] » Yeah.
[21:35] >> In a few years.
[21:36] » In a few years.
[21:36] >> Yeah, that's the thing. Kendricks is of
[21:38] » Yeah, that's the thing. Kendricks is of
[21:38] it. The report said 5 to 10 years.
[21:41] That's a long time.
[21:43] >> Thank you. Okay. I have councelor
[21:45] » Thank you. Okay. I have councelor
[21:45] Lackey.
[21:47] >> Thank you. were shipped uh through you
[21:49] » Thank you. were shipped uh through you
[21:49] to the director. Um
[21:53] what would prevent I mean if we put the
[21:54] lines on it's a it's a township park.
[21:56] It's public park. Um what prevents
[21:59] someone from going and buying a duffel
[22:01] bag just like that one showing up to the
[22:03] park and putting their own net up and
[22:05] playing to their heart's content
[22:09] » through your worship? Absolutely
[22:10] nothing.
[22:12] >> Okay. Any other questions from members
[22:15] » Okay. Any other questions from members
[22:15] of council?
[22:18] Okay. Thank you very much, Miss Harvey.
[22:20] And we appreciate the delegation and we
[22:22] will be going into budget discussions
[22:24] here in the next couple of weeks. So
[22:26] hopefully we'll have a better idea of
[22:28] what the plans are going forward for
[22:31] 2026.
[22:32] >> Thank you. So do we stay or do we leave?
[22:34] » Thank you. So do we stay or do we leave?
[22:34] You [laughter]
[22:35] >> You're welcome to stay. We have other
[22:37] » You're welcome to stay. We have other
[22:37] things on the agenda, but
[22:39] >> this is done.
[22:40] » this is done.
[22:40] >> Yeah. So the delegation is received and
[22:42] » Yeah. So the delegation is received and
[22:42] then unless there's a motion made by any
[22:45] of the members of the uh council which
[22:47] could be made uh not tonight it has to
[22:49] be a notice of motion um which has to go
[22:52] through the clerk which it would be on a
[22:53] subsequent uh meeting date.
[22:55] >> Okay. Well, thanks very much everybody.
[22:56] » Okay. Well, thanks very much everybody.
[22:56] >> You're welcome.
[23:00] » Okay. So, we have uh next uh item on the
[23:04] agenda is briefings from uh Katari
[23:08] Conservation Authority, David
[23:09] Ellingwood, who's here and joins us this
[23:11] evening. Come on forward and we'll uh
[23:14] get you set up on the screen.
[23:22] There
[23:26] you go.
[23:26] >> Thanks so much for joining us this
[23:28] » Thanks so much for joining us this
[23:28] evening.
[23:31] Uh thank you.
[23:33] So um thank you members of council for
[23:36] inviting me to uh present some
[23:38] information about Katarak Conservation's
[23:39] 2026 draft budget. Uh
[23:46] so uh this evening I'll um go over our
[23:49] budget and I've also uh put a few slides
[23:52] at the tail end for some important
[23:54] legislative changes that have recently
[23:56] been proposed for conservation
[23:57] authorities across the province. Um for
[23:59] our budget um as usual we try to
[24:02] maintain all the programs and services
[24:04] that we that we have on the go and uh
[24:07] there's a few other items noted there.
[24:10] At the bottom you'll see that our budget
[24:11] vote is December 3rd. So that comes up
[24:13] on Wednesday um for our uh final budget
[24:18] vote.
[24:20] Uh under the conservation authorities
[24:22] act we do have agreements with our
[24:24] member municipalities for uh certain
[24:26] services. Uh category one uh services
[24:29] are kind of mandatory ones. Uh ones that
[24:32] address provincial uh responsibilities
[24:35] uh things like drinking water source
[24:37] protection and plan review uh flood
[24:39] forecast and warning that sort of thing.
[24:42] Uh under category 2, we help a couple
[24:44] municipalities operate their water
[24:46] control structures. And under category
[24:49] three are locally supported services for
[24:51] things like education, uh public
[24:53] programming and land stewardship.
[24:56] Uh
[24:59] so uh to the numbers uh quickly here. Um
[25:02] our draft budget is $6.9 million for
[25:05] 2026. Uh we do have quite a bit that's
[25:08] internal recovery. So kind of our net
[25:11] amount if you will is around $5.5
[25:13] million.
[25:14] Uh
[25:17] as a total for the municipal
[25:19] aortionments this year, uh it works out
[25:22] to a 4.6 six 4% uh increase overall and
[25:27] I'll show you the specific numbers for
[25:29] your township in a moment here. Uh we do
[25:33] have uh 1% that's helping us to phase in
[25:36] our new administration facility lease
[25:38] costs and also 1% that's phasing in a
[25:42] permanent staff position in development
[25:43] review department
[25:45] and those are part of the 4.6%.
[25:49] uh expenses are up uh just 1.3%
[25:53] year-over-year this year.
[25:57] So, uh on the graph, we're showing uh
[26:00] the different proportions. As you can
[26:02] see, municipalities uh pay half of the
[26:05] budget. Um if you're looking at the net
[26:08] budget, municipalities
[26:10] uh are paying about 60% of our budget.
[26:13] And this the uh small brown slice there
[26:17] is the province. it works out to about 4
[26:19] and a.5% of our net budget. Uh we do uh
[26:24] uh have fees uh that that help out uh
[26:27] for things like development review and
[26:29] our uh public programming, our nature
[26:31] events uh contribute towards that. And
[26:34] the other category that's things like uh
[26:36] grants that we get. We've been
[26:37] successful at things like fragmitees
[26:39] control and other uh types of grants
[26:42] like that as well as uh donations that
[26:45] contribute to that.
[26:48] And then when we look at the uh the
[26:51] total budget that we um are looking at
[26:54] uh from our municipal partners, these
[26:57] are a portion based on current value
[26:59] assessment. The M&R provides that
[27:01] information to us. So they can fluctuate
[27:03] a little bit from year to year, but
[27:05] usually it's no more than uh 0.02 or
[27:08] three um for any one municipality uh
[27:11] changing year-over-year depending on
[27:13] your growth rate.
[27:17] So for less and thousand islands, uh the
[27:21] we'll kind of focus on the totals at the
[27:22] bottom there. So uh total uh $10,750
[27:27] increase uh in our aortionment request
[27:31] for 2026 works out to 5.77%.
[27:35] Uh but then above that, it kind of
[27:37] breaks it down what those changes are uh
[27:40] coming from. Uh firstly there's uh the
[27:44] category one just the mandatory programs
[27:46] uh that's at 3.7%.
[27:49] Uh the larger one in the middle there
[27:51] you'll see 75% um is for water control
[27:54] structures special levy. Uh that's
[27:57] $4,500 and that one in particular uh the
[28:02] township contributes towards two water
[28:04] control structures and shares that um
[28:07] with a few other municipalities. Uh so
[28:10] for those we're looking at about four
[28:12] capital projects that are coming up in
[28:14] the next couple of years and the reserve
[28:16] funds need to be brought up so that
[28:19] there's enough funds to to meet those
[28:21] project requirements. So that's that's
[28:24] essentially what what you're seeing
[28:25] there as that increase of $4,500 for
[28:28] 2026.
[28:33] So uh within your uh special
[28:35] aortionments uh you support the uh uh
[28:38] specific properties like the outlet boat
[28:40] ramp uh the two water control structures
[28:42] as mentioned there uh temperance lake
[28:44] and marsh lake uh you have 30% share of
[28:47] the cost for those and then you also
[28:50] have your category 3 agreement um for
[28:53] local programs like education and
[28:55] stewardship and watershed planning.
[28:59] Uh there's a slide here for the uh
[29:02] forecast upcoming expenses. You'll see
[29:04] for 2026.
[29:06] Uh there's that large larger increase at
[29:10] the at the bottom there for special
[29:11] aortionment. Uh you'll note that is more
[29:14] of a a one-time thing and it uh it drops
[29:17] off dramatically uh in the next uh three
[29:20] fiscal years following.
[29:26] So um capital we try to fully uh
[29:29] forecast as much of it as we can using
[29:31] reserves and building those reserves so
[29:33] that they're ready when the when the
[29:34] time comes. Uh we do have some of our uh
[29:39] larger recreational uh assets that are
[29:44] struggling to to find uh enough capital
[29:47] to uh uh to look at significant repairs
[29:51] that are coming up. So that those ones,
[29:53] we're looking at external grants to help
[29:54] along with those ones.
[29:59] So, uh that's the 2026 budget and what
[30:01] that means for the township. Um in the
[30:04] last few minutes here, I'll just look at
[30:05] some of the proposed uh changes to
[30:07] conservation authorities that are rather
[30:10] significant. Um so, Bill 68, schedule 3,
[30:14] it's passed third reading now, so it's
[30:16] uh it's come to into law. Uh this will
[30:19] establish a new provincial conservation
[30:21] agency. The agency is going to have
[30:23] oversight and strategic direction uh for
[30:26] conservation authorities in the
[30:28] province. Uh it'll be 5 to 12 members
[30:30] appointed by the minister. Uh it'll it
[30:34] can give directives to conservation
[30:36] authorities and its primary goals are to
[30:39] reduce the number of municipalities that
[30:41] have more than one conservation
[30:42] authority. So where there's kind of
[30:44] overlap naturally where there's
[30:46] watersheds uh it go water goes two ways
[30:49] and a municipality might get split
[30:51] between two conservation authorities. Uh
[30:54] they're looking to have more consistency
[30:56] in the development review policies and
[30:58] the fees that we charge and they like to
[31:00] have one uh digital permit system across
[31:03] the province.
[31:06] Um so here's a just a few facts about
[31:10] cons cataka conservation. We do have
[31:12] timely permit approvals. We meet the
[31:14] provincial targets in 99%
[31:16] of our uh development permits and we
[31:20] average about 5 days, five business days
[31:23] to provide a permit. Once we have a
[31:25] complete application, it's 5 days for
[31:27] the uh proponent to get their uh permit
[31:30] and letter approved.
[31:33] Uh for municipalities, when we're doing
[31:35] plan review, uh we're meeting your the
[31:38] targets that you've set 90% of the time.
[31:41] Uh Kataraka Conservation has among the
[31:43] lowest fee schedules in the province. Uh
[31:46] because our uh we are a lean
[31:49] organization and our municipalities uh
[31:52] in their governance of us have uh helped
[31:55] us to uh find a good balance uh for for
[31:59] fees that are affordable for the
[32:02] development community. Uh we have a high
[32:04] standard of customer service on our
[32:06] board. Each uh municipality is
[32:09] represented on our board. There's uh 11
[32:11] member municipalities and 17
[32:13] representatives.
[32:14] Uh we've we keep up to date on our flood
[32:17] plane mapping. We've recently completed
[32:19] the St. Lawrence River. Um but we are
[32:22] mindful of uh local finances. So the the
[32:25] Ganonway system could use new mapping.
[32:28] But because you recently contributed
[32:30] significantly to the St. Lawrence one,
[32:32] that would be something we might put off
[32:35] for a little bit. um because we you know
[32:39] we know that uh we can't draw that kind
[32:42] of capital every uh very often. Uh and
[32:45] we also have a 60-year history with
[32:46] strong ties to local groups and
[32:48] communities.
[32:50] So the proposal that they have is to
[32:52] actually consolidate the 36 conservation
[32:54] authorities in the province down to
[32:56] seven.
[32:57] Uh so you on the the map you have um
[33:01] Toronto is the central lake Ontario
[33:03] around the golden horseshoe you have one
[33:06] um lake Erie runs from uh almost
[33:09] Collingwood all the way down to Windsor
[33:12] and Lake Hiron includes uh places from
[33:16] Grand Ben to Berry up to Thunder Bay. So
[33:19] rather large uh our area is known as the
[33:22] St. Lawrence region regional
[33:24] conservation authority and it would
[33:26] combine Kataraki uh Mississippi RTO
[33:30] South Nation and Raisin River all into
[33:32] one an area about 18,000 square
[33:35] kilometers.
[33:37] Uh
[33:39] uh so there's the map there running from
[33:42] uh near Napony
[33:44] uh almost to Arri and out to the Quebec
[33:48] border. Um there's 46 municipalities in
[33:52] there. Uh
[33:55] boardwise, there's over 70 uh
[33:57] representatives on those five boards. If
[34:00] you combine them all and go with the
[34:02] conservation author conservation
[34:04] authorities act formula, there'd still
[34:06] be over 70 representatives. Clearly,
[34:08] that's too big. And one thing that
[34:10] you'll likely see if this comes along is
[34:13] that uh local representation will be
[34:16] drastically cut. you you can't have a
[34:19] functional board with over 70 members.
[34:21] It would, you know, maybe 20 and you'd
[34:23] have to have some type of uh local or
[34:26] countywide representation uh on that
[34:29] board.
[34:31] Uh so, uh this proposal is uh currently
[34:34] on the environmental registry. Uh the
[34:36] the number for it is up there. Uh
[34:38] there's a comment period open until
[34:40] December 22nd and they're looking at
[34:42] five principal things. um this is
[34:46] assuming it's going forward uh is um
[34:49] what would what would make for a
[34:50] successful transition? What are some of
[34:52] the opportunities or benefits from
[34:53] having these regions? What would the
[34:55] government structure look like? Uh how
[34:57] can we have transparent and consultative
[34:59] budgeting? And how do we maintain the
[35:02] strong relationships that currently
[35:03] exist? So all interesting questions. Um,
[35:07] some of them are maybe a little hard to
[35:09] do on on a very big regional scale such
[35:13] as that. But, uh, that's about as much
[35:16] information as there is. Uh, they're
[35:18] really looking for input and a lot of
[35:20] the the details and how this would
[35:22] actually happen would need to be worked
[35:24] out once this uh, new agency is set up.
[35:29] But, thank you very much for your
[35:31] attention.
[35:34] Thank you very much for delegation. Um I
[35:37] believe the consultation
[35:40] uh it's this week in Ottawa, isn't it?
[35:46] Yeah, we're just trying to look up the
[35:47] date. So um so questions. I had one from
[35:51] councelor maybe and then deputy mayor
[35:53] FOD. I'm not sure if anybody on this
[35:55] side. So go ahead.
[35:56] >> Thank you, Madame Mayor. And through you
[35:57] » Thank you, Madame Mayor. And through you
[35:57] I have a couple questions. Uh the first
[35:59] one is why is there no federal money to
[36:02] the agency you know it's out of your pie
[36:05] chart that there's no no federal money.
[36:08] >> Okay to so uh federal money uh only
[36:12] » Okay to so uh federal money uh only
[36:12] comes when we get grants. So that would
[36:14] be either an employment grant um
[36:16] sometimes there's uh grants we might get
[36:18] for climate change that sort of thing.
[36:20] Um we are partnering with uh South
[36:22] Nation and a bunch of eastern
[36:24] conservation authorities. So, uh, with
[36:25] with a federal grant that's offered to,
[36:28] uh, land owners, uh, for trees and shrub
[36:31] planting and wetland creation, um, that
[36:34] doesn't show up on ours because the
[36:35] money's gone to South Nation.
[36:37] >> As a follow-up, u, but the federal
[36:38] » As a follow-up, u, but the federal
[36:38] government doesn't give you a yearly
[36:40] amount and never have or
[36:43] >> That's correct. Yeah, there's never been
[36:45] » That's correct. Yeah, there's never been
[36:45] federal federal contribution.
[36:46] >> That's unfortunate. [clears throat] Uh,
[36:47] » That's unfortunate. [clears throat] Uh,
[36:48] second question was, uh, with the new
[36:50] structure that you have, uh, here for
[36:52] the St. Lawrence Regional Conservation
[36:54] Authority, which will end up being
[36:56] possibly uh the Homes Quicker bill that
[36:59] was actually um put in place there a
[37:01] couple years ago. How's that affected
[37:04] or is it?
[37:05] >> Thank you. Through your worship. Um
[37:07] » Thank you. Through your worship. Um
[37:08] yeah, so the um more homes built faster
[37:10] or there's been a few of them. Uh
[37:14] it it hasn't significantly uh changed.
[37:18] uh some things in say uh the types of
[37:21] permits for minor projects um people
[37:24] don't need to get those but that really
[37:25] hasn't um made a change in the number of
[37:27] permits it's still fairly active
[37:29] development wise uh in our region
[37:32] >> uh just as a followup uh with that bill
[37:35] » uh just as a followup uh with that bill
[37:35] it actually decreased some of your power
[37:37] and I wondered if you are getting any
[37:39] more of that back with this new uh
[37:41] region that you're having
[37:42] >> okay through your worship um so uh yeah
[37:45] » okay through your worship um so uh yeah
[37:45] so one of the things that it took away
[37:47] was the natural heritage review from
[37:49] conservation authorities. Um,
[37:52] yeah, I don't think we're getting that
[37:54] back. I think it was a political
[37:55] decision not for us, not just that we
[37:58] wouldn't do it, but that we
[37:59] municipalities cannot have conservation
[38:02] authorities do it. And, you know,
[38:04] anecdotally, um, it may be causing uh,
[38:08] longer delays and and, uh, double study
[38:12] expenses for proponents.
[38:13] >> Okay. Thank you very much,
[38:15] » Okay. Thank you very much,
[38:15] >> Deputy Mayor. Go ahead. Thank you,
[38:17] » Deputy Mayor. Go ahead. Thank you,
[38:17] worshiper through you. On this new
[38:20] proposed structure,
[38:22] I assume that the province and their
[38:24] wisdom is looking at cutting staff
[38:26] significantly as well. And if so, how do
[38:30] we maintain the good relationship your
[38:32] organization has Katar Rockway with our
[38:35] staff here in the planning department?
[38:37] As you had indicated, turnaround time is
[38:39] 5 days.
[38:41] It would be nightmarish to think what
[38:43] would happen if they intend to run 10 or
[38:46] 15 staff members to cover a whole
[38:49] region. What were your thoughts on that?
[38:51] What would your thoughts be on that?
[38:53] >> Thank you. Through your worship. Uh so
[38:56] » Thank you. Through your worship. Uh so
[38:56] the the minister in his announcement
[38:59] said that there would be no job
[39:01] reductions. Um and as a followup uh it
[39:06] was also indicated in one of the
[39:07] sessions that there uh the province
[39:10] would not dictate any closure of local
[39:14] offices. So if if those are both uh
[39:18] factual statements um then uh that would
[39:21] be good and if it if it can be left to
[39:23] the region on you know if there's a new
[39:26] region you're adding some bureaucracy up
[39:28] there but um to to actually function you
[39:33] can't operate your conservation
[39:35] properties from afar. You need a local
[39:37] base to do that. If you're doing
[39:38] development review,
[39:40] uh having off having basically the
[39:43] number of offices that there would be
[39:44] now um is probably the most efficient
[39:47] because right now our staff can travel
[39:50] an hour either way to get there. It
[39:52] would be the same with the other ones.
[39:53] So it's it's already a fairly efficient
[39:56] structure that way in terms of uh
[39:58] travel. And then the local knowledge uh
[40:01] we assign planners specifically to each
[40:04] of our municipalities so they develop
[40:07] even stronger relation uh rapport with
[40:10] uh your municipal staff and have a
[40:13] really good knowledge of what's going on
[40:15] uh in each community.
[40:18] >> Well, that's encouraging. I'm glad to
[40:20] » Well, that's encouraging. I'm glad to
[40:20] know that they've at least stated they
[40:22] don't intend to cut staff and and thus
[40:24] spread the workload out to a larger
[40:26] jurisdiction, which would be would be
[40:29] questionable to get the same service. Um
[40:32] that that's encouraging because when you
[40:34] read something like what the province
[40:36] has in mind here, the old adage, the
[40:38] government's here to help, that that's
[40:40] enough to scare most people. But uh
[40:43] we'll hope for the best and and uh
[40:46] hopefully we can maintain the good
[40:47] relationship that our staff has with
[40:50] your office. Now, thank you.
[40:51] >> Okay,
[40:52] » Okay,
[40:52] >> any other questions?
[40:55] » any other questions?
[40:55] I have no other hands up. So, thank you
[40:58] very much for your presentation and um I
[41:02] guess our board meeting is on December
[41:04] 11th, the next one. I believe
[41:06] >> uh it's on Wednesday night.
[41:08] » uh it's on Wednesday night.
[41:08] >> Yeah,
[41:08] » Yeah,
[41:08] >> Monday. Uh Wednesday the 3.
[41:10] » Monday. Uh Wednesday the 3.
[41:10] >> Oh, Wednesday. But there's a secondary
[41:12] » Oh, Wednesday. But there's a secondary
[41:12] meeting as well we have on the 11th.
[41:14] Sorry, I was thinking about that.
[41:16] >> Um because we're trying to squeeze it
[41:18] » Um because we're trying to squeeze it
[41:18] all in for the end of December. Um so we
[41:21] appreciate uh your time and attention to
[41:23] the budget. Um we know it's difficult
[41:26] times when there's uh so much more to
[41:29] do. Um it will be interesting to see how
[41:32] the consultation process goes in the
[41:34] meantime. Sound.
[41:37] >> Okay. Next item on the agenda is public
[41:40] » Okay. Next item on the agenda is public
[41:40] meeting and the motion is moved by
[41:43] councelor Kelman, seconded by councelor
[41:45] Lackey that the public meeting be called
[41:47] to order at 6:40 p.m.
[41:51] All those in favor? All those opposed?
[41:54] And it is carried. So we are now in the
[41:57] public meeting portion of the committee
[42:00] the whole
[42:02] um and we are going to the zoning bylaw
[42:05] amendment seven bulls island. So if you
[42:10] have anything to discuss at this point I
[42:12] will turn to planning staff.
[42:18] There we go. Thank you. Thank you madame
[42:21] mayor and through you. The subject of
[42:24] this public meeting is a proposed zoning
[42:26] bylaw amendment for the property
[42:28] municipally known as Seven Bulls Island.
[42:31] The property is approximately 0.4
[42:33] hectares and contains an existing
[42:35] dwelling with attached uncovered
[42:38] decking, a storage shed, and two docks.
[42:42] The zone change is proposed for the site
[42:45] um to change the zoning from from an
[42:48] island residential zone to a special
[42:50] exception island residential zone. And
[42:52] that would facilitate zoning relief for
[42:55] a proposed 46.7
[42:57] meter sleeping cabin with attached
[43:00] covered decking as well as a detached
[43:03] sauna and some additional decking
[43:05] attached to the primary dwelling.
[43:15] So this is the proposed plot plan
[43:17] showing the proposed sleeping cabin
[43:21] um and the sauna.
[43:25] Uh and then there's additional decking
[43:27] that was constructed in 2021
[43:31] um in the absence of municipal and
[43:33] agency approvals that's proposed to be
[43:36] uh folded into this zoning bylaw
[43:38] amendment.
[43:41] With respect to notice, uh staff could
[43:43] confirm that notice of this public
[43:45] meeting was provided in accordance with
[43:47] the planning act. And to date, um, staff
[43:50] received one email with some questions
[43:53] for clarification on the details of the
[43:55] proposal and staff did respond to
[43:57] provide that clarification and
[43:59] additional links for the resident to
[44:01] access the supporting information um for
[44:05] the application. I believe the applicant
[44:07] is online uh this evening and staff as
[44:11] well would be um available to address
[44:14] any questions of the public or the
[44:16] committee the whole. Thank you. So,
[44:18] we'll go to uh council questions. Uh if
[44:22] anybody has a question in regards to
[44:24] this application, if you could please
[44:26] raise your hand. And we'll also ask that
[44:28] anyone online that is here to have any
[44:31] questions answered online, please use
[44:34] the raise your hand function and then
[44:35] we'll get to you after we have uh got
[44:38] through council questions. So,
[44:43] I'll give everybody a minute. Uh, Deputy
[44:45] Mayor Fod, go ahead.
[44:47] >> Thank you, worship, and through you.
[44:50] » Thank you, worship, and through you.
[44:50] This, uh, small aotment of land has a
[44:53] lot of activity going on it. Can I ask
[44:55] what uh, brought this about? Has there
[44:57] been a change of ownership in the
[44:59] property?
[45:06] » Through you, Madame Mayor. Uh, not to my
[45:08] knowledge. uh staff have been working
[45:10] with the applicant for some time through
[45:12] the pre-conultation process and
[45:15] application submission and review
[45:17] leading up to this meeting this evening.
[45:20] >> So it would be assumed that there was
[45:23] » So it would be assumed that there was
[45:23] some non-compliancy that was noticed by
[45:25] staff from the water that brought this
[45:28] to light. Is that what we're
[45:31] expecting here? this is a brand new
[45:33] build or it's an existing structure
[45:36] coming into compliance
[45:38] >> through you madame mayor um the proposal
[45:42] » through you madame mayor um the proposal
[45:42] came forward the applicant was
[45:44] interested in constructing a sleeping
[45:45] cabin on on the property and staff did
[45:48] complete a a site visit um with the
[45:52] property owner and
[45:55] uh through a walkound of the property it
[45:57] was discussed that there was additional
[45:59] decking that was constructed in 2021. So
[46:02] that's the extent of the existing
[46:04] construction on the property that has to
[46:06] be is proposed to be recognized through
[46:08] this application. The remainder of the
[46:10] construction has yet to occur including
[46:12] the sleeping cabin.
[46:14] >> So the sleeping cabin does not exist at
[46:16] » So the sleeping cabin does not exist at
[46:16] this point but when they were there they
[46:18] found some other stuff that had happened
[46:21] without permitting. So, um, but as you
[46:25] just mentioned, this is to wrap
[46:27] everything up in a bow, if you will, and
[46:30] allow for the sleeping cabin to be
[46:33] constructed should this pass. Well, this
[46:36] is the public meeting. Nothing's going
[46:37] to pass here. This is for information.
[46:39] So,
[46:41] any further comments or discussion?
[46:44] Go ahead, councelor maybe.
[46:46] >> Uh, thank you, Madam Madame Mayor. and
[46:47] » Uh, thank you, Madam Madame Mayor. and
[46:48] through you. Uh the uh the high
[46:50] watermark is is well out of the range of
[46:52] this particular build uh with the rock
[46:54] face that they have on this. So uh I
[46:56] [clears throat] think it's um a great
[46:58] place to uh to have and with the photos
[47:01] that were provided, it indicated a a
[47:04] quite a great view of the river and uh
[47:07] to enjoy. So I think it's a uh
[47:11] appropriate uh ask.
[47:13] >> Okay. Further comments or questions?
[47:17] » Okay. Further comments or questions?
[47:17] Seeing none, um I'll put them uh there's
[47:20] nothing online. I just thought I'd
[47:21] double check. There's no hands up. Okay.
[47:24] So, with that, um we'll put the motion
[47:26] forward to uh that the public meeting be
[47:29] closed. Motion is made by councelor
[47:32] Lackey, seconded by councelor Kelman.
[47:34] All those in favor? All those opposed?
[47:38] And it is carried. So, we are back in
[47:40] the regularly scheduled committee. the
[47:43] whole meeting and we're on number nine,
[47:46] staff reports, which is the uh public
[47:50] meeting I um item we just discussed,
[47:53] zoning bylaw amendment application D13.
[48:02] Uh so the zoning bylaw amendment
[48:04] application D132025-
[48:07] Z001 civic address 7 Bulls Island and
[48:10] the motion comes forward from councelor
[48:12] Lackey seconded by councelor Kelman that
[48:14] the committee of the whole recommends
[48:15] that council approve zoning bylaw
[48:16] amendment application D14 2025-001
[48:21] for the property municipally known as 7
[48:23] Bulls Island to amend the existing
[48:25] island residential RARI zone for of the
[48:28] property to an island residential
[48:29] special exception 39 RI-39
[48:33] zone and that the committee of the whole
[48:35] recommends that council further amend
[48:36] bylaw number 07-079
[48:39] zoning bylaw of the corporation of the
[48:41] township of Leeds in the Thousand
[48:42] Islands as amended as per exhibit F
[48:45] draft bylaw and schedule A to report
[48:48] number 2025-086
[48:51] and that the committee of the whole
[48:52] recommends that council grant three
[48:54] readings and final passage to amending
[48:56] to the amending bylaw. It's a lot.
[48:59] [laughter]
[49:00] So, uh, go ahead, m Madame
[49:02] [clears throat] Planner.
[49:04] >> Thank you. And through you, Madame
[49:05] » Thank you. And through you, Madame
[49:05] Mayor. Um, just staff wanted to, um,
[49:09] mention that the bylaw has been updated
[49:12] today. Uh, the applicant did request
[49:14] zoning relief for the maximum height of
[49:16] the sleeping cabin. The zoning bylaw
[49:20] permits a maximum height of 5 m and the
[49:22] application did request a maximum height
[49:24] of 5.4. And so the bylaw has been
[49:28] updated to reflect that. Okay. Thank you
[49:31] for that clarity. Any further comments
[49:33] or questions in regard to this item? Go
[49:35] ahead, councelor Lackey.
[49:36] >> Thank you. Worship through you. I
[49:38] » Thank you. Worship through you. I
[49:38] apologize. I was hoping uh I should have
[49:40] asked it earlier while the gentleman
[49:42] from CRCA was here. Um when they talk
[49:44] about high water mark, how can they
[49:47] justify that when it's controlled by
[49:50] Dan?
[49:53] » Yeah, we should asked that question when
[49:55] he was here.
[49:57] I'm I mean it's control. If the water's
[49:59] high, you open the dam.
[50:02] It's damn hard to figure it out. Anyway,
[50:04] just
[50:05] >> there's no swearing at this council
[50:07] » there's no swearing at this council
[50:07] table. All [laughter]
[50:10] >> um the same things to go with wave
[50:13] » um the same things to go with wave
[50:13] upbrush as well. It's just
[50:14] >> fair enough. And the same the same
[50:17] » fair enough. And the same the same
[50:17] challenge uh obviously is something that
[50:20] we are faced with on the St. Louis River
[50:22] which is also
[50:24] Yes. But the people downstream really
[50:28] get upset if you open them at full
[50:30] force. [laughter]
[50:32] No, we haven't. Um, okay. Matter at
[50:35] hand. Go ahead, Deputy Mayor.
[50:37] >> Thank you. We're shipping it through
[50:38] » Thank you. We're shipping it through
[50:38] you. I have a lot of questions about
[50:41] this property, but what I do have is a
[50:43] lot of faith in our staff. I know that
[50:46] they know the rules better than I and u
[50:49] they know what they're looking for
[50:50] before and after. So um I will uh I will
[50:56] step down about a lot of things I would
[50:58] like to say about this application and
[51:00] and put it in the hands of those that
[51:02] know. So thank you.
[51:04] >> Any further comments or questions?
[51:11] » Okay. So we have the applicant with
[51:13] their hand up. Uh we have Michael
[51:15] Clancy. Uh, so I'll recognize Michael in
[51:20] order to
[51:22] um we're just getting the clerk to
[51:24] unmute you, so just bear with us a few
[51:26] seconds.
[51:30] » Okay, there we go. And you're unmuted.
[51:32] You're ready to go.
[51:33] >> Okay, thank you. Um, good evening, your
[51:35] » Okay, thank you. Um, good evening, your
[51:35] worship and council members. Um, I I
[51:38] just wanted to answer a couple of
[51:40] questions uh that were raised. Um first
[51:43] um my wife and I purchased the college
[51:47] uh 23 years ago. Um we uh we then
[51:52] proceeded to have uh uh six children. Um
[51:56] so the the purpose of the sleeping cabin
[51:58] is uh is it our our original cottage
[52:03] that's still there. It was built in the
[52:05] 1950s. It's a very modest, very small
[52:08] cottage with two bedrooms. Um, and so
[52:12] we're literally now just bursting at the
[52:14] seams. Um, especially as our kids get
[52:18] older and and come back to the island
[52:20] with um, you know, with with their
[52:23] significant others. Um, so that's that's
[52:26] our makeup. Um, with regard to the high
[52:30] water mark question, um, the uh,
[52:34] sleeping cabin is proposed to be built
[52:37] on the highest location on the island.
[52:40] Um, that location is uh at least
[52:46] uh I'm going to say at least
[52:49] maybe 40 feet from the actual uh highest
[52:53] level of water that I've seen there in
[52:55] the last 23 years. Um it it's just
[52:58] simply nowhere close to the to the uh
[53:02] high water park um at all. It's it's a
[53:05] literally a rock face that that is um
[53:08] that is uh I'm going to say 40 feet from
[53:12] from from the water. Um the the uh uh
[53:17] and then finally as to the the
[53:19] additional decking that we constructed
[53:22] in 2021. Um we did that in COVID. Uh it
[53:28] was uh there was the the rules were so
[53:31] strict with regard to um having uh uh
[53:37] people over and distancing that we added
[53:40] a a portion to the deck. Um uh and that
[53:44] was done just uh uh during and for uh co
[53:49] um again the the cottage itself
[53:52] including the decking I appreciate on a
[53:54] map might look like a lot going on but
[53:56] it's actually exceptionally modest
[53:58] compared to a lot of the of the cottages
[54:01] that are on the lake and it wouldn't
[54:03] even come close to cottages that you'd
[54:05] see in u on the St. Lawrence. It's just
[54:09] a very modest 1950s build with with two
[54:12] bedrooms and with uh some some uh small
[54:16] decking around the outside. Um we are it
[54:19] is an island. Uh it's one acre, just
[54:21] over an acre. We're the only uh cottage
[54:24] on the island. Um and uh it it's it's um
[54:30] it's proved to be a great place for our
[54:32] family and we would be exceptionally
[54:34] grateful uh to the committee um if it
[54:37] permits. uh these exceptions to the
[54:39] zoning bylaw. Um, and we're very
[54:42] grateful to the staff uh of both the
[54:44] township and the uh uh uh uh
[54:49] conservation authority for for all of
[54:52] their help and guidance throughout this
[54:53] process. Uh thank you.
[54:55] >> Thank you.
[54:57] » Thank you.
[54:57] Okay. So, we've heard from council and
[55:00] we've heard from the applicant. So,
[55:03] seeing no further hands up, I will call
[55:06] the question of the motion. that's at
[55:08] hand. All those in favor?
[55:11] All those opposed? And it is carried.
[55:13] Thank you very much. And um we'll move
[55:16] forward with 9.2.
[55:19] Uh supplementary report zoning bylaw
[55:22] amendment D14-2025-010
[55:26] application for 439,000 Parkway. Moved
[55:29] by councelor Antoine Hartley, seconded
[55:31] by deputy mayor FOD that the committee
[55:33] the whole recommends that council
[55:34] approve zoning bylaw amendment
[55:36] application D14-2025-010
[55:40] to reszone the portion of the property
[55:42] municipally known as 439 Thousand
[55:45] Islands Parkway currently zoned tourist
[55:48] commercial CT zone to Shoreline
[55:50] Residential Special Exemption RS-63
[55:54] zone in township zoning by line number
[55:56] 07-079.
[55:58] 9 and that the committee the whole
[55:59] recommends that council further amend
[56:01] bylaw number 07-079
[56:03] zoning bylaw of the corporation of the
[56:06] township of Leeds in the Thousand
[56:07] Islands as amended as per exhibit A
[56:09] recommended amending bylaw and schedule
[56:12] A to report number 2025-087
[56:15] and that the committee the whole
[56:16] recommends that council grant three
[56:18] readings and final passage to the
[56:19] amending bylaw motions on the floor up
[56:22] for discussion.
[56:23] So for the um newcomer here, this has
[56:27] already come through uh a couple of
[56:30] times to council uh with uh
[56:33] presentations made by the applicants
[56:37] agent. Um and it has been in front of
[56:40] council twice to ask questions, but this
[56:42] is the decision in regards to the
[56:44] request for changing the zoning. So I
[56:47] know you can read, but this has been one
[56:49] that's required a lot of back and forth.
[56:51] So anyways, uh I just wanted for the
[56:54] public's also the public's knowledge
[56:56] that this has come back for this is the
[56:59] third time that we're discussing this at
[57:01] the table. Um so discussion go ahead. Uh
[57:05] I've got councelor lackey and I've got
[57:07] deputy mayor fod.
[57:09] >> Thank you worship and through you. I
[57:11] » Thank you worship and through you. I
[57:11] think it's similar to the the questions
[57:13] that I had last time. Um so the property
[57:16] itself uh in the beginning stages um it
[57:20] was purchased as um shoreline commercial
[57:25] um
[57:25] >> commercial it's tourist commercial
[57:28] » commercial it's tourist commercial
[57:28] >> tour sorry tourist commercial
[57:30] » tour sorry tourist commercial
[57:30] >> um
[57:31] » um
[57:31] and we accepted that um through all our
[57:35] planning rationale um all the way
[57:37] through um and then at the last meeting
[57:41] were we not told that it was always the
[57:43] intent of the applicant that it was
[57:46] going to be a residential building.
[57:50] That's my first question.
[57:52] >> I believe that is what the applicant
[57:54] » I believe that is what the applicant
[57:54] said at the last meeting if we go back
[57:57] and roll tape, but
[57:59] >> I'm fairly certain that's what was said.
[58:02] » I'm fairly certain that's what was said.
[58:02] >> I'll let the I'll let the director of
[58:04] » I'll let the I'll let the director of
[58:04] planning confirm that
[58:05] >> or not confirm it.
[58:07] » or not confirm it.
[58:07] >> Doesn't matter. We can go back and look
[58:08] » Doesn't matter. We can go back and look
[58:08] because I know that's what was
[58:10] >> okay. That was what was said.
[58:11] » okay. That was what was said.
[58:11] >> That's what was said
[58:11] » That's what was said
[58:12] >> through you. Uh the challenge was they
[58:14] » through you. Uh the challenge was they
[58:14] intended to build they indicated they
[58:16] intended to build residential. However,
[58:19] once they started building residential
[58:22] recogniz once they started building
[58:25] under the existing zoning framework
[58:27] which is tourist commercial and building
[58:29] to the commercial standard they realized
[58:31] it was cost prohibitive to build to the
[58:34] commercial standard for what they
[58:35] indicated would be a residential use
[58:37] which is why the zoning amendments come
[58:39] forward. So again for clarification they
[58:42] told us in the beginning that they were
[58:44] doing a corporate retreat which is
[58:46] tourist commercial
[58:48] >> fit under that category.
[58:49] » fit under that category.
[58:49] >> Correct.
[58:50] » Correct.
[58:50] >> And now it's we were told that it was
[58:53] » And now it's we were told that it was
[58:53] always going to be residential is what
[58:56] we heard last meeting.
[58:57] >> Correct.
[58:58] » Correct.
[58:58] >> So I'm [clears throat] a little confused
[59:00] » So I'm [clears throat] a little confused
[59:00] there. I think um you know whether it
[59:02] was a misunderstanding or I I don't know
[59:04] what you want to call it. I know what I
[59:05] would call it but I'm not going to. Um
[59:08] my other question to the planner is um
[59:10] that zoning um that's a pretty important
[59:14] zoning there. How many other vacant lots
[59:17] roughly are out there that have that
[59:19] particular zoning
[59:21] of of commercial
[59:23] >> tourist commercial
[59:24] » tourist commercial
[59:24] >> commercial? Do we have any available?
[59:28] » commercial? Do we have any available?
[59:28] >> I would not be able to tell you the
[59:29] » I would not be able to tell you the
[59:29] answer. And what would to get one zoned?
[59:34] Is that a big process?
[59:39] » The special policy area for the Thousand
[59:41] Islands area indicates that tourist
[59:44] commercial uses are permitted south of
[59:46] the Parkway on properties adjacent to
[59:49] existing tourist commercial uses. So,
[59:52] um,
[59:53] >> so unless you were beside an existing
[59:55] » so unless you were beside an existing
[59:55] tourist commercial, you couldn't get a
[59:58] >> We're currently designated as
[59:59] » We're currently designated as
[59:59] >> So, it's a hard it's a hard thing to get
[1:00:01] » So, it's a hard it's a hard thing to get
[1:00:01] and virtually almost impossible. there
[1:00:03] are.
[1:00:04] >> So, so what we're doing is we're taking
[1:00:05] » So, so what we're doing is we're taking
[1:00:06] a commercially zoned property and we're
[1:00:09] eliminating that from the potential
[1:00:11] commercial opportunities that could have
[1:00:13] existed
[1:00:15] um even with their even with their um uh
[1:00:19] um corporate retreat that may have
[1:00:21] provided a job or two. It may have um
[1:00:24] may have done a number of things, but
[1:00:26] that's only speculation. Um, I think
[1:00:28] it's it's the zoning and the the fact
[1:00:30] that,
[1:00:32] you know, what what um inspections were
[1:00:36] done as
[1:00:39] one zoning versus what inspections would
[1:00:41] have been done in another zoning. So,
[1:00:44] we're changing halfway through the
[1:00:46] specifications of things.
[1:00:49] Is that a problem?
[1:00:54] So, you're going to have some of this
[1:00:56] place zoned or or built to commercial
[1:00:58] and some are going to be built to
[1:01:00] residential
[1:01:02] >> through you. Um, at the last meeting,
[1:01:04] » through you. Um, at the last meeting,
[1:01:04] the applicant indicated that the
[1:01:06] property has been sitting
[1:01:09] in a construction has ceased because
[1:01:12] they are unsure what standard they they
[1:01:15] they're not building to that commercial
[1:01:17] standard at this point. So it is sitting
[1:01:19] the commercial or sorry the construction
[1:01:21] has ceased at this point. From a purely
[1:01:23] land use perspective what we need to
[1:01:26] look at as planners is is the land use
[1:01:29] compatible with the adjacent land uses
[1:01:31] and what is the most compatible use for
[1:01:33] the property. So from a land use
[1:01:36] consideration perspective
[1:01:39] the official plan permits both
[1:01:41] residential and tourist commercial south
[1:01:43] of the 401 in this area. in terms of
[1:01:45] challenges in the nature of the
[1:01:47] construction that's really a building
[1:01:49] code issue. So it's not part of the
[1:01:51] planning considerations.
[1:01:53] >> Right. Thank you.
[1:01:54] » Right. Thank you.
[1:01:54] >> I have deputy mayor FOD.
[1:01:57] » I have deputy mayor FOD.
[1:01:57] >> Thank you worship through you. At that
[1:01:59] » Thank you worship through you. At that
[1:01:59] last meeting I think it was a designer
[1:02:01] representing the owner who made the
[1:02:03] statement it was beneficial for us to
[1:02:05] carry on with the current zoning to
[1:02:07] allow us to build the way we did. And
[1:02:10] now they've got there they want to
[1:02:11] switch back to this.
[1:02:14] Um, councelor Laki is correct. I mean,
[1:02:18] there's a much less uh
[1:02:21] ownerous designation on the property.
[1:02:23] Should they switch it back? Um,
[1:02:26] I don't know.
[1:02:28] I know
[1:02:31] that there's a number of unanswered
[1:02:32] questions here. And then once this is
[1:02:35] approved,
[1:02:37] then what?
[1:02:39] >> So, I'll get to that before I call the
[1:02:41] » So, I'll get to that before I call the
[1:02:41] question. and I have councelor Calman
[1:02:43] and then I have councelor maybe.
[1:02:45] >> Thank you worship and through you. I
[1:02:48] » Thank you worship and through you. I
[1:02:48] have several questions. Um the first is
[1:02:50] along the same lines. So we are told in
[1:02:54] the staff report that the reason for the
[1:02:56] request to the zoning change is the
[1:02:57] prohibitive cost if it were to remain
[1:03:00] commercial tourism. Um in the Boulevard
[1:03:05] planning justification report it says
[1:03:08] that
[1:03:10] um CT zoning prohibits principal
[1:03:13] residential use and that is the that's
[1:03:16] under the zoning
[1:03:20] relief justification. So is is that is
[1:03:23] it to be a principal residence or is it
[1:03:25] to be a vacation property?
[1:03:28] [snorts]
[1:03:31] The applicant has indicated that it's to
[1:03:33] be a residential property and that the
[1:03:35] primary use of the property subject to
[1:03:37] the zoning amendment would be
[1:03:38] residential.
[1:03:39] >> Okay. But that doesn't mean it will be
[1:03:41] » Okay. But that doesn't mean it will be
[1:03:41] their prime residence. We don't know
[1:03:43] that.
[1:03:44] >> We don't know that and we can't regulate
[1:03:46] » We don't know that and we can't regulate
[1:03:46] that.
[1:03:47] >> Okay. So, I'm just wondering what is the
[1:03:51] » Okay. So, I'm just wondering what is the
[1:03:51] reason for the change in the zoning? Is
[1:03:53] it because of the cost or is it because
[1:03:55] it can't be used as a principal
[1:03:57] residence if they don't get the zoning
[1:03:59] change?
[1:04:00] um through you just for clarification
[1:04:02] the tourist commercial zoning allows a
[1:04:04] tourist commercial use and an accessory
[1:04:07] dwelling unit. So the residential use
[1:04:11] could not be the primary use of the
[1:04:13] property under the tourist commercial
[1:04:15] zoning. The primary use of the property
[1:04:17] would need to be a tourist commercial
[1:04:19] use. Okay?
[1:04:20] >> And then the residential use is only
[1:04:22] » And then the residential use is only
[1:04:22] accessory to that tourist commercial
[1:04:26] use. So the context of primary residents
[1:04:28] being used here is different than the
[1:04:30] context of what she just said.
[1:04:32] >> But if the zoning change amendment is
[1:04:36] » But if the zoning change amendment is
[1:04:36] not granted, would they be able to live
[1:04:40] there?
[1:04:43] If the tourist commercial zoning remains
[1:04:45] on the property as it is, the
[1:04:47] residential use on the property would be
[1:04:50] required to be accessory to a tourist
[1:04:52] commercial use.
[1:04:54] >> Thank you. Um, do we know
[1:04:58] » Thank you. Um, do we know
[1:04:58] what if it is if it is the cost
[1:05:00] prohibitive factor, do we know what the
[1:05:03] cost is that they're talking about? What
[1:05:06] do they have a ballpark figure of what
[1:05:08] this prohibitive cost would be?
[1:05:11] >> Well, fire suppression was one of them,
[1:05:14] » Well, fire suppression was one of them,
[1:05:14] I believe. And that on a in a commercial
[1:05:17] use is much different than a residential
[1:05:19] use.
[1:05:20] I'm just wondering if there's been
[1:05:22] >> I don't know the cost but in speaking
[1:05:24] » I don't know the cost but in speaking
[1:05:24] with the building officials it has to do
[1:05:26] with the fire separation. So in a
[1:05:28] commercial use when you have units you
[1:05:30] have to have fire suppression and
[1:05:32] dampers between the units. So you have
[1:05:34] to have fire brakes between them which
[1:05:36] is a different level of construction
[1:05:38] than would be required for a residential
[1:05:40] use.
[1:05:41] >> And my last question is about the
[1:05:45] » And my last question is about the
[1:05:45] clarification on the cash in lie of
[1:05:46] parkland. So, it says in the staff
[1:05:49] report that it's a 2% rate for
[1:05:52] commercial properties and a 5% rate for
[1:05:54] residential properties.
[1:05:57] And so, if the zoning amendment was
[1:06:00] granted, would they have to pay the
[1:06:02] additional
[1:06:05] amount, the additional percentage?
[1:06:07] >> No, they wouldn't have to pay the
[1:06:08] » No, they wouldn't have to pay the
[1:06:08] additional percentage because
[1:06:10] technically as a residential use, it
[1:06:11] wouldn't necessarily be subject to site
[1:06:13] plan control. Um but the 2% was
[1:06:17] considered an uplift because it had
[1:06:19] previously been used as the residential
[1:06:21] use. So the t putting it subject to site
[1:06:25] plan control when the commercial use was
[1:06:27] proposed was subject to the cash in L of
[1:06:31] parkland requirement. Um the 5% would
[1:06:35] only apply if a new lot was being
[1:06:36] created through a consent.
[1:06:39] >> Okay. Thank you. I just have a comment
[1:06:41] » Okay. Thank you. I just have a comment
[1:06:41] if I may. Um,
[1:06:45] and I've made this comment before and I
[1:06:47] don't know if it's intentional, but when
[1:06:48] I read the official plans, the township
[1:06:50] and the county plans, some of the
[1:06:52] language is ambiguous. And so I don't
[1:06:54] know if that's intentional to give some
[1:06:57] leeway to councils or municipalities
[1:06:59] when they're making these decisions. But
[1:07:01] for example, if we had to if I had to
[1:07:04] give a land use planning reason for not
[1:07:08] approving this zoning amendment, it says
[1:07:11] that
[1:07:13] um under our township official plan, one
[1:07:16] of the justifications given is that the
[1:07:18] new buildings being added to the site,
[1:07:20] so these are the sub the accessory
[1:07:22] buildings will assist in preserving and
[1:07:25] enhancing the aesthetic value of the
[1:07:27] area. Well, aesthetic value is a very
[1:07:30] subjective term. So, I'm kind of
[1:07:33] surprised it's in there. But
[1:07:36] that leaves that open to our
[1:07:38] interpretation. And for myself,
[1:07:41] when this was originally presented with
[1:07:43] these accessory structures, one of which
[1:07:45] is very large, has a fourcar garage in
[1:07:49] the bay in the bottom of it. Um, if I
[1:07:52] looked at that, as councelor Lackey was
[1:07:54] saying, as a corporate retreat, I would
[1:07:56] say I personally don't find those
[1:07:59] buildings attractive on our beautiful
[1:08:01] natural shoreline. And I think that
[1:08:03] those three buildings on that lot are
[1:08:06] very large and it it doesn't fit into
[1:08:09] the surrounding landscape. But my mind
[1:08:12] would say because it's a corporate
[1:08:14] retreat, it might bring visitors to our
[1:08:16] area. It might bring tourist dollars to
[1:08:18] our area. it might increase the this the
[1:08:22] people that are seeing and visiting our
[1:08:24] area. So the aesthetic value is one
[1:08:28] thing. When I look at it as a private
[1:08:29] residence, it completely alters my
[1:08:31] aesthetic value and evaluation of that
[1:08:33] property. And I don't think it's
[1:08:36] appropriate land use. Um and then
[1:08:39] there's another part it says within the
[1:08:42] justification under the planning act it
[1:08:44] one of the justifications is that it
[1:08:46] encourages a sense of place which again
[1:08:49] is very ambiguous and I could argue that
[1:08:52] I cannot vote in vote in favor of this
[1:08:55] because I do not think that those
[1:08:57] buildings in that location encourage a
[1:08:59] sense of place on the St. Lawrence River
[1:09:01] in our beautiful township. So those
[1:09:04] would be my land use justifications for
[1:09:09] voting against land use planning reasons
[1:09:12] for voting against this zoning
[1:09:14] amendment. I think that they've the
[1:09:17] owner and the the planners have or not
[1:09:20] not our planners, the the boulevard have
[1:09:22] really muddled this by not being clear
[1:09:24] from the beginning what their intentions
[1:09:26] were. And I just u am very cautious of
[1:09:31] what's going to happen with this
[1:09:33] property in the future. And I have one
[1:09:34] more thing to add. Sorry. Um some of us
[1:09:37] were at the recent economic development
[1:09:39] summit and there was a lot of talk about
[1:09:41] energy use. And when I look at those
[1:09:44] buildings, I'm assuming they're on grid.
[1:09:46] I'm not sure, but I think about what
[1:09:49] it's going to cost to heat those
[1:09:50] buildings. And I wonder how often those
[1:09:52] buildings are going to be used, and by
[1:09:54] how many people, and what amount of
[1:09:57] energy is going to be sucked into
[1:09:59] heating those large buildings, two of
[1:10:01] whom two of which apparently are not
[1:10:03] going to have people living in them. So,
[1:10:05] I don't know. I don't think under
[1:10:07] current planning or current uh plans
[1:10:10] that that's something we take into
[1:10:11] consideration. It probably is something
[1:10:13] we should take into consideration.
[1:10:16] And that is all I have. Thank you.
[1:10:18] >> Okay. Um I've got councelor maybe and
[1:10:21] » Okay. Um I've got councelor maybe and
[1:10:22] then uh deputy mayor vod. Go ahead.
[1:10:25] >> Uh thank you madame mayor and through
[1:10:27] » Uh thank you madame mayor and through
[1:10:27] you. One of my things is if this was a
[1:10:29] residential um uh property right from
[1:10:32] the get-go and since it was a brand new
[1:10:34] build, would there have been a species
[1:10:37] at risk um survey uh report needing
[1:10:40] needed?
[1:10:42] >> I don't think so. Not if it was
[1:10:44] » I don't think so. Not if it was
[1:10:44] residential.
[1:10:46] >> Okay,
[1:10:46] » Okay,
[1:10:46] >> Madam Planner,
[1:10:48] » Madam Planner,
[1:10:48] I don't on our residential builds. If it
[1:10:51] was zoned residential, there would be no
[1:10:53] species at risk study required. I don't
[1:10:56] believe.
[1:10:59] » Thank you. And through you. Um it's my
[1:11:01] recollection that there was an
[1:11:03] environmental impact statement that was
[1:11:05] prepared. Um
[1:11:06] >> that was based on the fact that it was
[1:11:08] » that was based on the fact that it was
[1:11:08] tourist commercial.
[1:11:09] >> Uh it was based on Yes. And the
[1:11:12] » Uh it was based on Yes. And the
[1:11:12] proximity to the wetland. Um
[1:11:16] >> Okay. Yeah. I was just curious on
[1:11:19] » Okay. Yeah. I was just curious on
[1:11:19] whether because we've had other reports
[1:11:21] for lands where residential uh builds
[1:11:25] have been put on and uh we've had a
[1:11:27] fairly extensive report
[1:11:30] uh for different things even a tree on
[1:11:33] one I remember. So I so I just wondering
[1:11:37] you know whether that's a cost factor
[1:11:41] from this particular uh applicant. And
[1:11:44] then there's a other in the report there
[1:11:47] fees of $33,750
[1:11:50] to $22,750.
[1:11:52] And I was trying to wrap my head on how
[1:11:54] that worked.
[1:11:56] >> There's more inspections involved in a
[1:11:58] » There's more inspections involved in a
[1:11:58] building that is commercial. Correct.
[1:12:01] with a to the point I think that
[1:12:03] councelor lackey made earlier that we've
[1:12:06] expended a lot more as far as the
[1:12:08] building department is concerned as far
[1:12:10] as reviewing and and
[1:12:12] >> so there's a rebate
[1:12:12] » so there's a rebate
[1:12:12] >> attending
[1:12:14] » attending
[1:12:14] >> it's not a rebate I don't believe
[1:12:16] » it's not a rebate I don't believe
[1:12:16] >> so that figure that's being referenced
[1:12:18] » so that figure that's being referenced
[1:12:18] the 22750
[1:12:20] is site plan control securities that
[1:12:22] were held because it was a subject to
[1:12:24] site plan control to ensure that the
[1:12:27] grading and paving were done on the site
[1:12:28] in accordance with the approved plans
[1:12:30] Okay. Okay. Thank you.
[1:12:33] >> Okay. Uh there seems to be a light bulb
[1:12:35] » Okay. Uh there seems to be a light bulb
[1:12:35] moment. I'm going to go to Mr. Lackey in
[1:12:38] regards to that comment and then I'll go
[1:12:40] back to deputy mayor.
[1:12:41] >> So that check was written to us in the
[1:12:44] » So that check was written to us in the
[1:12:44] beginning as commercial. So they
[1:12:47] willingly knowingly
[1:12:49] wrote you a check knowing it was going
[1:12:51] to be a commercial building
[1:12:55] >> due to site plan control. But again, we
[1:12:58] » due to site plan control. But again, we
[1:12:58] go back to last week.
[1:13:01] It was always going to be a residential
[1:13:03] building. Is that not the quote?
[1:13:07] » I'm going to go back to the deputy
[1:13:09] mayor. Go ahead.
[1:13:10] >> My apologies.
[1:13:11] » My apologies.
[1:13:11] >> Thank you, worship. Just a comment to
[1:13:13] » Thank you, worship. Just a comment to
[1:13:13] councelor Kelman. The reason there's
[1:13:15] confusion between the official plan, our
[1:13:18] official plan wasn't the only one that
[1:13:20] was rushed through before the municipal
[1:13:21] election of 18, but it was. Ours was. It
[1:13:25] wasn't properly vetted. There was a big
[1:13:28] push on by those wanting that official
[1:13:30] plan to be registered and it is and uh
[1:13:35] I'm sure the planning department knows
[1:13:37] all about it.
[1:13:39] I'm going to take my lead from the
[1:13:40] applicant themselves much along the
[1:13:42] lines of councelor Lackey and Kelman and
[1:13:45] others who made comments. They made
[1:13:47] applications
[1:13:49] that uh they were going to build knowing
[1:13:51] it's tourist commercial. That's good
[1:13:53] enough for me. Thank you.
[1:13:56] >> Okay. Um, I'm going to call the question
[1:14:00] » Okay. Um, I'm going to call the question
[1:14:00] uh at this point in time and then I'll
[1:14:01] reserve my comment till afterwards. All
[1:14:04] in favor of the motion at hand, please
[1:14:05] raise your hand.
[1:14:08] All those opposed,
[1:14:11] it is unanimously defeated. So my
[1:14:14] comment will be uh as far as rationale
[1:14:17] uh the planner has asked for rationale.
[1:14:19] Um, so I thank councelor Kelman for
[1:14:22] being a bit more concise with her
[1:14:24] rationale, but I'm going to take the
[1:14:26] comments made by councelor lackey and
[1:14:29] and the other members who've who've made
[1:14:31] comments. So the I would say that the
[1:14:35] rationale of the decision of this
[1:14:36] council to turn this zoning um change
[1:14:40] down is specifically for the fact that
[1:14:43] this property as tourist commercial is a
[1:14:46] very extremely hard designation to get
[1:14:49] in this township. And to be fair it is
[1:14:53] surrounded by residential properties and
[1:14:55] it has been tourist commercial since
[1:14:59] before Jeff Lackey was born which is a
[1:15:01] long time ago. So, [laughter]
[1:15:04] um, so the point being is that when
[1:15:06] people are looking to invest in this
[1:15:08] township and they're looking for
[1:15:10] specific types of property, especially
[1:15:12] waterfront that they can do certain
[1:15:14] things on, this uh zoning is extremely
[1:15:19] valuable.
[1:15:21] So, while I appreciate that these folks
[1:15:24] sunk money into purchasing a property
[1:15:27] that was zoned tourist commercial and
[1:15:29] then have incurred these additional
[1:15:31] costs, they knew this at the beginning.
[1:15:34] They applied for building permits
[1:15:36] knowing this is the case and now
[1:15:39] halfway 3/4 of the way through they're
[1:15:42] changing their mind. So, as far as um
[1:15:45] the the council's decision, it's made
[1:15:48] based on the fact that this tourist
[1:15:51] designation is important to our
[1:15:53] municipality. It's important to
[1:15:55] businesses who want to operate and
[1:15:58] exist. Um and as far as them changing
[1:16:02] their mind halfway through,
[1:16:05] that's unfortunate.
[1:16:07] So, I would say, do you need further
[1:16:09] rationale, Madam Planner? Nope. Okay. If
[1:16:14] uh there is further rationale required,
[1:16:16] please have them direct uh comments back
[1:16:18] to myself and um we can bring it back to
[1:16:21] have further discussion. But other than
[1:16:22] that, the decision has been made this
[1:16:24] evening.
[1:16:25] So, moving along. So, we've got about 15
[1:16:28] minutes before an hour and a half ends.
[1:16:30] We'll see how far we can get.
[1:16:34] Next item is 9.3 C 2026 council
[1:16:38] committee and conference schedule. Moved
[1:16:40] by councelor May, seconded by councelor
[1:16:42] Antoine Hartley that the committee of
[1:16:43] the whole recommends that council
[1:16:44] approve the 2026 council committee and
[1:16:47] conference schedule and approve the
[1:16:49] outline deviations from the procedural
[1:16:50] bylaw and committee terms of reference.
[1:16:53] So before you folks, you have the
[1:16:56] wonderful calendar with all the colored
[1:16:58] highlights. Thank you, Madame Clerk. Um
[1:17:01] there's only one date in here that I
[1:17:03] would like you to draw your special
[1:17:05] attention to. Um at this point in time
[1:17:12] there is a um
[1:17:16] sorry the training day the special
[1:17:19] training day which is in February. So
[1:17:21] it's February 19th which is the proposed
[1:17:24] date that is uh our off-site training
[1:17:27] day for all of council that we do. So
[1:17:29] it's February 19th. Does anybody It's
[1:17:32] proposed. It's not locked in stone.
[1:17:33] Obviously we haven't passed anything
[1:17:35] yet. Is that date prohibitive for anyone
[1:17:39] at this time?
[1:17:41] It's not to say that if somebody if you
[1:17:45] can't come, that's fine. But we just
[1:17:47] hope that there's enough time that you
[1:17:49] can plan in your schedule. That's an
[1:17:51] important day. Um where we go off site
[1:17:54] with uh senior managers and uh get
[1:17:57] updated from lawyers and all sorts of
[1:18:00] fun things. uh the new counselor,
[1:18:02] councelorlair will be excited to learn
[1:18:05] all the fun stuff that we have to do
[1:18:08] procedurally.
[1:18:10] So um any other comments or questions in
[1:18:14] regards to the dates that you have
[1:18:15] before you folks? Go ahead. Uh councelor
[1:18:18] or deputy mayor voting.
[1:18:19] >> Thank you worship through you. Why do we
[1:18:22] » Thank you worship through you. Why do we
[1:18:22] not have a separate committee of the
[1:18:24] whole in November?
[1:18:27] >> Because in November that will be after
[1:18:29] » Because in November that will be after
[1:18:29] the election.
[1:18:31] So there'll be one.
[1:18:33] >> It's too soon. The you're talking about
[1:18:35] » It's too soon. The you're talking about
[1:18:35] swearing in would be
[1:18:38] >> okay.
[1:18:39] » okay.
[1:18:39] >> Yeah. So after um through your worship,
[1:18:42] » Yeah. So after um through your worship,
[1:18:42] sorry. Um after the October 13th date,
[1:18:45] the municipal election is the 26th. So
[1:18:49] um technically you're in that limbo
[1:18:52] period where you can't make decisions
[1:18:55] anymore. Yeah. You're in lame duck. Um
[1:18:58] no decisions can be made. Uh the end of
[1:19:00] the term is the 14th. So if anything
[1:19:03] crazy, any emergency comes up, you can
[1:19:06] still deal with things, but we don't
[1:19:07] have council or committee of the whole
[1:19:09] meetings. Um and then that inaugural
[1:19:11] meeting will be on the 16th, the the
[1:19:13] most um uh closest date after the uh
[1:19:18] after November 15th, which is when the
[1:19:20] new term starts.
[1:19:22] >> Okay. Thank you.
[1:19:23] » Okay. Thank you.
[1:19:23] >> Okay. Any further questions or comments
[1:19:26] » Okay. Any further questions or comments
[1:19:26] in regards to the calendar?
[1:19:29] Seeing none, I'll call the question. All
[1:19:31] those in favor, all those opposed and
[1:19:34] we're carried. And I can't wait till all
[1:19:37] the digital invites come in to autopop
[1:19:39] populate the calendar.
[1:19:41] >> Sorry.
[1:19:42] » Sorry.
[1:19:42] >> No, I I'm quite happy to have it. Just
[1:19:45] » No, I I'm quite happy to have it. Just
[1:19:45] make sure you set up don't put the email
[1:19:48] receipt. So otherwise your email box
[1:19:50] will be full. Um, next item is 2026
[1:19:55] municipal elections voting, voting
[1:19:57] equipment and alternative methods. So
[1:19:59] the motion comes forward from deputy
[1:20:02] mayor FOD seconded by councelor maybe.
[1:20:04] The committee of the whole recommends
[1:20:05] that council give the attached bylaw
[1:20:07] second or first second and third reading
[1:20:09] and final approval and that the clerk is
[1:20:11] authorized to request quotes from
[1:20:12] companies to use for the use of vote
[1:20:15] counting equipment in accordance with
[1:20:16] the township's procurement policy for
[1:20:18] the 2026 municipal election. discussion
[1:20:21] on the motion.
[1:20:23] >> Go ahead, Premier Fod.
[1:20:25] » Go ahead, Premier Fod.
[1:20:25] >> Not so much a discussion as a comment.
[1:20:28] » Not so much a discussion as a comment.
[1:20:28] The province of Alberta recently held an
[1:20:30] election out there and they banned uh
[1:20:34] automated ting machines.
[1:20:37] That's the first province to go complete
[1:20:39] reversal on that. So, it's
[1:20:42] I know it's a trend that needs to be
[1:20:45] addressed by the governments to decide
[1:20:49] what they're going to do. And we all
[1:20:51] know what the problem is. There's
[1:20:53] there's no law precluding tampering with
[1:20:57] machines prior to elections. And that's
[1:20:59] the long and the short of it. I would
[1:21:01] like to see that happen in this
[1:21:02] province, but I've been waiting since
[1:21:05] 2018.
[1:21:07] But uh anyway, I'm just throwing a
[1:21:10] little light on to why some of us uh
[1:21:12] when we had this discussion earlier were
[1:21:14] adamant that there's paper ballots.
[1:21:17] Thank you.
[1:21:18] >> Any further comments or questions about
[1:21:20] » Any further comments or questions about
[1:21:20] the motion that's at hand? I'll call the
[1:21:23] question. All those in favor? All those
[1:21:26] opposed?
[1:21:27] And we're carried.
[1:21:30] Next item. Very exciting motion this
[1:21:33] evening. moved by uh deputy mayor FOD,
[1:21:35] seconded by councelor Antoine Hartley,
[1:21:37] that the committee of the whole
[1:21:38] recommends that council authorize the
[1:21:40] acting CEO and the director of corporate
[1:21:42] services to execute documents to
[1:21:43] facilitate a change order to renew depot
[1:21:46] operations agreement number 2024-00-139
[1:21:51] after the initial transition term for an
[1:21:53] additional three one-year terms based on
[1:21:57] annual budget approval, mutual
[1:21:59] agreement, and successful successful
[1:22:01] completion of the initial term. in each
[1:22:04] subsequent renewal. and that the
[1:22:06] committee of the whole recommends that
[1:22:07] council direct the operations and
[1:22:08] infrastructure department to proceed
[1:22:10] with a recycle depot at the Landsttown
[1:22:13] landfill site for the collection of
[1:22:14] recycle materials from non-eligible
[1:22:16] sources to be funded within the proposed
[1:22:19] operating budget and that the committee
[1:22:22] the whole recommends that council direct
[1:22:23] the operations and infrastructure
[1:22:24] department to conduct a financial and
[1:22:27] operational review of initiating a
[1:22:29] townshipwide curbside collection program
[1:22:32] for household garbage.
[1:22:34] Motion is on the floor. Discussion.
[1:22:38] Uh, go ahead, Deputy Mayor Fod.
[1:22:40] >> Thank you, worshipu to our director of
[1:22:42] » Thank you, worshipu to our director of
[1:22:42] operations.
[1:22:44] How much time would it take to come up
[1:22:46] with all the factual numbers required
[1:22:48] for curbside pickup?
[1:22:51] >> Uh, through your worship. I'm actually
[1:22:53] » Uh, through your worship. I'm actually
[1:22:53] going to work backwards on that one. So,
[1:22:55] I I spoke with a supplier for for
[1:22:57] delivering a truck. So looking at all of
[1:23:00] the options, whether you know curbside
[1:23:02] collection would be delivered by a
[1:23:04] contractor, would be delivered by the
[1:23:06] municipality, or whether we'd not do it
[1:23:07] at all. Um, work backwards on on what
[1:23:09] would take the longest time. And for a
[1:23:12] garbage truck provider to deliver a
[1:23:14] truck, we're looking at a 100 days
[1:23:15] minimum. Um, so I think that we need to
[1:23:18] shoot for uh having information to you
[1:23:21] guys before July 1st of next year to
[1:23:22] allow us sufficient time to tender and
[1:23:24] be able to uh purchase a truck in
[1:23:26] advance of of uh the next season.
[1:23:30] >> Okay. A follow-up question. Are we
[1:23:33] » Okay. A follow-up question. Are we
[1:23:33] getting deep in the weeds, so to speak,
[1:23:35] if we put a questionnaire out with next
[1:23:38] year's municipal election as to see what
[1:23:41] the the people want? because this would
[1:23:45] be an this would add expense to the tax
[1:23:48] bill. There's no question about it.
[1:23:50] >> We we don't know that yet.
[1:23:52] » We we don't know that yet.
[1:23:52] >> We don't know that yet.
[1:23:53] » We don't know that yet.
[1:23:53] >> We don't because that's why they're
[1:23:55] » We don't because that's why they're
[1:23:55] asking for the request to get the
[1:23:57] numbers. So, we can't say that it will
[1:23:59] cost more.
[1:24:00] >> There's potential for adding expense to
[1:24:02] » There's potential for adding expense to
[1:24:02] the tax bill, but I know there's a lot
[1:24:06] of things that are not in the expense
[1:24:09] should we go to curbside pickup. Um, I
[1:24:13] know the director of operation well
[1:24:14] enough that he would be about two light
[1:24:17] years ahead of me on this statement. We
[1:24:19] also need to look into electric trucks.
[1:24:22] Uh, trucks that are going on a frequency
[1:24:24] basis like this every day and they're
[1:24:26] only doing X number of hours. I know
[1:24:29] that some of the cities are on electric
[1:24:32] truck pickup. Now, there should be ample
[1:24:34] ample information out there as to the
[1:24:38] success of these trucks or not. and uh I
[1:24:42] would look forward to seeing all of this
[1:24:44] at some point. Thank you.
[1:24:45] >> So, based on what the director indicated
[1:24:48] » So, based on what the director indicated
[1:24:48] as far as having it back to us by July,
[1:24:51] if it were to be cost prohibitive or
[1:24:54] what have you, depending on information
[1:24:56] that comes back from the department, we
[1:24:59] could then make it a plebite if it's
[1:25:01] done before July. Correct, Madam Clerk?
[1:25:04] So, we could. So to the point that
[1:25:07] you're trying to make until we have the
[1:25:09] information we don't want to make any
[1:25:11] decision um obviously um but having said
[1:25:14] that if it is a borderline decision we
[1:25:18] can give it to the to the residents
[1:25:22] whether they want it or not. So
[1:25:24] depending on how the numbers shake out.
[1:25:26] Go ahead.
[1:25:28] >> Thank you worship. Just an aside from
[1:25:30] » Thank you worship. Just an aside from
[1:25:30] that comment you just made. Based on the
[1:25:32] last x number of years of vote, we're
[1:25:35] only going to get a response from 35 to
[1:25:37] 45% of the residents.
[1:25:40] >> Well, let me put it to you this way.
[1:25:41] » Well, let me put it to you this way.
[1:25:41] Most surveys that you do and that like
[1:25:44] it's way below like 2% in some cases if
[1:25:48] you get a 5% response rate. And if you
[1:25:51] look at the the um
[1:25:54] the questionnaires that we've sent out
[1:25:56] even for recreation, what have you. So I
[1:26:00] would say that if and it could mean that
[1:26:03] you'd have more people come out and vote
[1:26:05] too. So it could actually work in
[1:26:08] meaning that you have more people
[1:26:09] interested in making their um their
[1:26:13] opinion known on the plea site as much
[1:26:15] as making their opinion known as for who
[1:26:18] to to vote for. So anyways, I think it's
[1:26:21] premature to have that discussion, but
[1:26:24] um we if this motion was to pass
[1:26:26] tonight, it just gives the authority to
[1:26:28] the staff to gather the information and
[1:26:30] the data to provide us so that we can
[1:26:33] have further discussion and then decide
[1:26:35] where to go from from there. Is that
[1:26:37] correct?
[1:26:39] >> That is correct. Just wanted to be
[1:26:41] » That is correct. Just wanted to be
[1:26:41] clear. Go ahead, councelor Kelman.
[1:26:42] >> Thank you, worship and for you. I just I
[1:26:45] » Thank you, worship and for you. I just I
[1:26:45] have a question. So, what this is asking
[1:26:47] is that all of the non-eligible sources,
[1:26:49] churches and daycarees and campgrounds,
[1:26:51] they have to take their recycling to
[1:26:53] Landstown regardless of where they are
[1:26:54] in the township. That's correct.
[1:26:57] >> Uh through your worship, that is
[1:26:58] » Uh through your worship, that is
[1:26:58] correct. We've done a cost analysis of
[1:27:00] what it would cost for us to have these
[1:27:02] at each depot and it's about $25,000 per
[1:27:05] depot for us to have that service.
[1:27:07] Obviously, we'd be a little bit more the
[1:27:08] further that we get away as well because
[1:27:10] trucking is always the higher cost, but
[1:27:12] our average we figured about $25,000 per
[1:27:14] depot.
[1:27:15] >> So, followup, um, how is that monitored?
[1:27:19] » So, followup, um, how is that monitored?
[1:27:19] So, how do the wayside attendants know
[1:27:21] if the person if if the garbage coming
[1:27:23] in, if it's just in a private vehicle,
[1:27:26] what the source of or the recycling
[1:27:28] short, sorry, what the source of the
[1:27:29] recycling is. How do they know that it's
[1:27:31] coming from a church or from a private
[1:27:33] residence?
[1:27:35] That's a great question and something
[1:27:37] that I will have to look into.
[1:27:38] >> Okay. Thank you.
[1:27:41] » Okay. Thank you.
[1:27:41] >> Stump the director evening. [laughter]
[1:27:45] Um, anybody else before I go back to
[1:27:48] deputy mayor FOD? Okay. Uh, I'll go to
[1:27:50] councelor maybe and then deputy mayor
[1:27:52] Fod.
[1:27:52] >> Thank you, Madam Mayor, and through you.
[1:27:54] » Thank you, Madam Mayor, and through you.
[1:27:54] My question was for the industrial
[1:27:57] commercial
[1:27:58] places that are now using the dump and
[1:28:01] whether they're going to have a
[1:28:02] facility. if we go to curbside to
[1:28:06] actually take it.
[1:28:07] >> Go ahead.
[1:28:12] » Thank you. Through your worship. I I
[1:28:14] don't think that we would be looking to
[1:28:16] change the
[1:28:18] um how the depot operate for anything
[1:28:21] outside of the eligible garbage
[1:28:23] collection. It's this would be mainly
[1:28:25] for um what the recycling. So, in order
[1:28:30] for a system like this to work, I I'll
[1:28:32] take a step back.
[1:28:33] You can't have one in isolation of the
[1:28:35] other. So if we we've spoken with Simo,
[1:28:38] you know, asked this question for about
[1:28:40] six months now what the feasibility
[1:28:42] would be for curbside collection. Um
[1:28:44] because most advanced municipalities
[1:28:46] have gone to curbside collection. It's
[1:28:48] just overall it's it's more
[1:28:49] cost-effective for the residents because
[1:28:51] they don't have to drive every week to
[1:28:52] the to the way site. So they've
[1:28:54] indicated that that there is an appetite
[1:28:56] on their side that they see that it's
[1:28:58] more cost effective for them to operate
[1:28:59] it as as curbside collection. But you
[1:29:02] can't do one in isolation of the other
[1:29:04] because our you know similarly to to us
[1:29:07] not signing an agreement and having them
[1:29:08] take their recycling to to front of
[1:29:11] Young it that won't work or they bring
[1:29:13] their garbage to to our depot and then
[1:29:15] take the recycling to another one
[1:29:16] everything will end up in the garbage
[1:29:18] and and and vice versa. Um, so if Simo
[1:29:23] has has indicated that they are they
[1:29:25] will support it provided that the
[1:29:26] municipality would move forward with
[1:29:28] curbside collection for garbage and that
[1:29:31] that would mean that our systems would
[1:29:33] have to align. So if if we're not if
[1:29:36] they're not collecting curbside
[1:29:37] collection for the the non-eligibles,
[1:29:40] then we wouldn't we wouldn't collect
[1:29:42] curbside for non-eligibles either
[1:29:44] because it's it's the same system. We'd
[1:29:45] have that problem on on the flip scale.
[1:29:48] >> Okay,
[1:29:48] » Okay,
[1:29:48] >> if that makes sense. I think I got my
[1:29:51] » if that makes sense. I think I got my
[1:29:51] answer. Yes. Thank you.
[1:29:52] >> Okay. Sorry, that was very longwinded.
[1:29:54] » Okay. Sorry, that was very longwinded.
[1:29:54] >> That's okay.
[1:29:57] » That's okay.
[1:29:57] >> Go ahead.
[1:29:58] » Go ahead.
[1:29:58] >> Thank you, worship through you to our
[1:30:00] » Thank you, worship through you to our
[1:30:00] director of operations. When I was
[1:30:02] leading reading the non-eligible, the
[1:30:04] only thing I thought jumped off here,
[1:30:06] not mentioned, is our own personal parks
[1:30:09] like Centennial and Kendricks and and
[1:30:11] Jerry Park. I I'm guessing that falls
[1:30:14] under municipal facilities.
[1:30:18] uh through your worship. No, actually
[1:30:19] those are included in the eligible uh
[1:30:23] collection.
[1:30:24] >> Are they?
[1:30:24] » Are they?
[1:30:24] >> They are.
[1:30:25] » They are.
[1:30:25] >> Okay, good.
[1:30:28] » Okay, good.
[1:30:28] >> Any further questions?
[1:30:31] » Any further questions?
[1:30:31] >> Seeing none, I'm going to call the
[1:30:32] » Seeing none, I'm going to call the
[1:30:32] question. All those in favor of the
[1:30:34] motion at hand,
[1:30:36] all those opposed and it is carried
[1:30:39] unanimously. Very much look forward to
[1:30:41] the information that'll come back on
[1:30:43] that report.
[1:30:44] Next item is staff reports. Recreation
[1:30:46] working group immediate 1 to threeyear
[1:30:48] information report. Um so this report is
[1:30:53] provided for information only. I just
[1:30:55] want to make the comment that I'm very
[1:30:58] uh pleased to see this committee that is
[1:31:01] continuing to work robustly and
[1:31:03] providing information all the time. Uh
[1:31:06] so kudos to both staff and members of
[1:31:09] the committee who are working hard to
[1:31:10] get that forward. Any further questions
[1:31:13] on that particular report?
[1:31:16] Okay. Uh, councelor Antoine Hartley,
[1:31:19] >> just um some clarification
[1:31:22] » just um some clarification
[1:31:22] under the financial implications. It
[1:31:24] said that sponsorship packages to fund
[1:31:27] current and future projects uh were
[1:31:29] going to be looked at. So would that
[1:31:33] include
[1:31:35] um
[1:31:37] so on the list here is uh $65,000
[1:31:41] towards a shade structure at Cely's Bay.
[1:31:44] So if a community group uh came forward
[1:31:48] uh with a donation to
[1:31:51] >> kind of like the viewing platform that
[1:31:53] » kind of like the viewing platform that
[1:31:53] happened in Llinter. Yes.
[1:31:55] >> To to to improve what you know.
[1:31:59] » To to to improve what you know.
[1:31:59] >> So instead of spending 65 if you brought
[1:32:01] » So instead of spending 65 if you brought
[1:32:01] forward 10 we could do 75.
[1:32:03] >> Yeah. Exactly.
[1:32:04] » Yeah. Exactly.
[1:32:04] >> So that's the question.
[1:32:05] » So that's the question.
[1:32:05] >> That that's the question. Thank you.
[1:32:09] » That that's the question. Thank you.
[1:32:09] >> Would that be would that donation be
[1:32:11] » Would that be would that donation be
[1:32:11] welcome?
[1:32:13] uh through your worship, I would think
[1:32:15] that donations for the municipality
[1:32:17] would always be accepted
[1:32:19] >> and um just understanding that this the
[1:32:22] » and um just understanding that this the
[1:32:22] structure would have to be built within
[1:32:25] accordance to municipal standards and uh
[1:32:28] regardless of what um the want would be.
[1:32:31] Um, I know that in past sometimes we've
[1:32:34] had some challenges with people want a
[1:32:36] certain thing, but it didn't meet
[1:32:38] municipal requirements. So, we have to
[1:32:41] build because it's a liability and a
[1:32:43] risk. So, I just want to put that out
[1:32:45] there. Not that we're turning down any
[1:32:47] sort of donations, but I just wanted to
[1:32:50] be very clear. Okay. Okay. Councelor,
[1:32:54] maybe.
[1:32:54] >> Thank you, Madam Mayor. through you. Uh
[1:32:56] » Thank you, Madam Mayor. through you. Uh
[1:32:56] for any of the items listed that have a
[1:32:58] high dollar value, is there grants being
[1:33:01] uh asked for or submitted anywhere to
[1:33:03] help fund these
[1:33:05] >> director?
[1:33:07] » director?
[1:33:07] Through your worship? Absolutely. We're
[1:33:09] we are tracking um funding opportunities
[1:33:12] all the time. I just reached out to
[1:33:13] Grant Match today uh to set up a meeting
[1:33:16] with them to start looking at some of
[1:33:17] these uh things that we've included in
[1:33:19] the the proposed budget and uh have it
[1:33:23] open up that discussion with them to see
[1:33:24] what opportunities are out there that we
[1:33:25] can move forward with.
[1:33:26] >> Excellent. Thank you.
[1:33:27] » Excellent. Thank you.
[1:33:27] >> Okay, deputy mayor. Go ahead.
[1:33:29] » Okay, deputy mayor. Go ahead.
[1:33:29] >> Thank you worship through you to our
[1:33:31] » Thank you worship through you to our
[1:33:31] director of operations. I should mention
[1:33:33] as well as has been mentioned uh this is
[1:33:36] a great report by the way from uh those
[1:33:38] of you who worked on this. It's concise
[1:33:41] and and detailed and all the above. With
[1:33:43] regards to high ticket items, we could
[1:33:46] do what many municipalities are doing
[1:33:47] and that's naming rights. Um we see it
[1:33:52] all the time. Who would envision that
[1:33:53] the gun or the old Kingston arena would
[1:33:57] be referred to as such place? But here
[1:34:00] we are. And I think there's a number of
[1:34:03] of very prosperous uh businesses in our
[1:34:06] township that would gladly step forward
[1:34:09] given the right scenario and put their
[1:34:11] name on it for a 10 15 year period or
[1:34:14] such yet to be worked out. But I I don't
[1:34:17] think it's something that should be
[1:34:18] discarded. I think there's a number of
[1:34:22] like as I said I think there's number of
[1:34:23] businesses if a properly approached and
[1:34:26] negotiated that uh they would they would
[1:34:28] do such and there would be your donation
[1:34:31] per se but uh no this report was well
[1:34:34] done thank you
[1:34:36] >> any further comments or questions
[1:34:38] » any further comments or questions
[1:34:38] seeing none we'll move on to information
[1:34:41] items any information items there madame
[1:34:44] clerk
[1:34:44] >> that's
[1:34:46] » that's
[1:34:46] >> oh no okay um rise and report uh minutes
[1:34:51] » oh no okay um rise and report uh minutes
[1:34:51] from committees, working groups and
[1:34:52] local boards. So pier and the library
[1:34:56] board both minutes from their meetings
[1:34:59] are there. So any questions for that can
[1:35:02] we can direct appropriately.
[1:35:07] Okay, we got notices of motion. Any
[1:35:10] notices of motion? Go ahead.
[1:35:14] I think somebody should speak up on
[1:35:16] behalf of the presentation we had here
[1:35:18] from Knight from the Lindhurst Pickle
[1:35:20] Ball Group. That's not a big ask. And if
[1:35:23] we can keep participation
[1:35:24] >> on what what your There was two options
[1:35:27] » on what what your There was two options
[1:35:27] there.
[1:35:27] >> There was but I
[1:35:28] » There was but I
[1:35:28] >> So it depends on what the ask is because
[1:35:30] » So it depends on what the ask is because
[1:35:30] one of them is not as intense as the
[1:35:33] >> I would I would take baby steps first.
[1:35:36] » I would I would take baby steps first.
[1:35:36] >> Okay. So So maybe you want to work with
[1:35:38] » Okay. So So maybe you want to work with
[1:35:38] the clerk to bring forward a notice of
[1:35:40] motion regarding the death.
[1:35:41] >> I think we can. I mean, um, you know, I
[1:35:44] » I think we can. I mean, um, you know, I
[1:35:44] I think the working group should be
[1:35:46] tasked with the bigger ask. It should be
[1:35:48] part of this, but, uh,
[1:35:51] >> it is part of that. It already is.
[1:35:52] » it is part of that. It already is.
[1:35:52] >> Oh, I I know it is, but I mean, we'll
[1:35:55] » Oh, I I know it is, but I mean, we'll
[1:35:55] just leave that well enough alone. I'm
[1:35:56] assuming this group that came tonight
[1:35:59] was not aware of this presentation.
[1:36:01] >> They referred to it in the presentation.
[1:36:03] » They referred to it in the presentation.
[1:36:03] They
[1:36:04] >> they did,
[1:36:04] » they did,
[1:36:04] >> but they but they want it to come
[1:36:06] » but they but they want it to come
[1:36:06] forward faster.
[1:36:08] So that and that's why I left the
[1:36:10] discussion to say that we're
[1:36:12] deliberating budget in the next months
[1:36:16] or in the next two weeks so that those
[1:36:19] type of funds that are required to do
[1:36:21] those sorts of things can be discussed
[1:36:23] around this table.
[1:36:24] >> Well, we have yet to see what Phil has
[1:36:27] » Well, we have yet to see what Phil has
[1:36:27] put before us here as to what's going to
[1:36:29] come faster. Maybe a lot of things will
[1:36:31] come slower, but uh the original asked a
[1:36:35] small step. I will work with the clerk
[1:36:37] in bringing that one forward. Thank you.
[1:36:39] >> Thank you. Any other notices of motion?
[1:36:42] » Thank you. Any other notices of motion?
[1:36:42] No other notices of motion, statement or
[1:36:44] announcements from counselors. Go ahead,
[1:36:45] councelor maybe. Go ahead, councelor
[1:36:47] Lackey.
[1:36:48] >> Thank you, Madame Mayor, and through
[1:36:50] » Thank you, Madame Mayor, and through
[1:36:50] you. Uh December 6th, breakfast with
[1:36:52] Santa here at Jesse Street 9 to 11. I'll
[1:36:55] be participating. December 7th, Lions
[1:36:58] Santa in the park. Um on the Sunday,
[1:37:02] I'll be doing them 11 to 2. December
[1:37:04] 14th BIA Santa in the Park 11 to two.
[1:37:08] And a large thank you to TLTI for being
[1:37:10] in the Anaki parade. It was a great
[1:37:13] success and uh very thrilled to see any
[1:37:17] TITL equipment there and thank you mayor
[1:37:21] and deputy mayor for being on the float.
[1:37:24] Thank you.
[1:37:26] >> Okay. Any other statements or
[1:37:28] » Okay. Any other statements or
[1:37:28] announcements from counselors?
[1:37:31] I have councelor Antoine Har. Oh, sorry.
[1:37:32] Councelor Lackey and then councelor
[1:37:34] Antoine Harley.
[1:37:35] >> Thank you worship and through you. Um
[1:37:38] » Thank you worship and through you. Um
[1:37:38] here in Lansdown it's u we've we've had
[1:37:41] some uh some great news, some bad news
[1:37:44] all in the same deal. Uh the Landown
[1:37:46] Fresh Mart has been officially sold. Um
[1:37:50] the new owners are uh Rick and Kelly
[1:37:53] Sani. They have two sons, Sunny and Sam.
[1:37:56] I believe they're all involved in the in
[1:37:58] the business. Um, Silvin and Yoro Fernit
[1:38:02] have owned the uh the store for the last
[1:38:04] 36 years. They bought it from other
[1:38:07] family members in 1989.
[1:38:09] Um, and they've done a great job of
[1:38:11] looking after our community with great
[1:38:14] service, great products. Uh, I know
[1:38:17] everybody in our neck of the woods is
[1:38:19] going to miss them. Uh, we wish them
[1:38:21] well in the next stage of their lives
[1:38:24] because as far as I'm concerned, they're
[1:38:26] pretty young yet, meaning they're my
[1:38:28] age.
[1:38:30] your worship.
[1:38:34] » It's all right. I'll take that hit.
[1:38:36] >> Um, again, I'd like to congratulate the
[1:38:37] » Um, again, I'd like to congratulate the
[1:38:37] new owners as well as the previous
[1:38:39] owners on uh on the future.
[1:38:44] » Okay, Councelor Antoine Hartley. Thank
[1:38:46] you, your worship. Um, so great job done
[1:38:50] by the organizers of the shop and hop.
[1:38:53] It was a wonderful event. I'm sporting a
[1:38:55] brand new sweater. I'll have you know uh
[1:38:58] from my trip uh trip around as well as a
[1:39:01] lot of other treasures. Um it was a
[1:39:04] wonderful event and and uh they I I
[1:39:07] think they were very satisfied as well.
[1:39:08] And I didn't get a chance to get to
[1:39:10] everybody. I think I only made it to 13
[1:39:13] of the 19 stops, but uh I plan on making
[1:39:16] it to a few more before uh Christmas
[1:39:19] time. Um the Legion uh Silly Bay Legion
[1:39:22] is having a community children's
[1:39:25] Christmas party. uh this Saturday uh at
[1:39:29] um from 1 to 4 and it's being uh
[1:39:33] supported by uh Sbury Area Residents
[1:39:36] Association, the Lions Club, uh the
[1:39:38] ladies auxiliary. There'll be Santa and
[1:39:41] some elves. I think there's a costume
[1:39:42] waiting for me somewhere. Um there's
[1:39:45] crafts, there's cookie decorating,
[1:39:48] uh food to purchase. Uh and it's
[1:39:51] wonderful to see uh that that community
[1:39:53] pulling together with all the
[1:39:55] organizations and the helping at the
[1:39:58] Legion to make that a great day for the
[1:40:00] kids. And congratulations to uh Silly's
[1:40:04] Bay, Olivet United Churches and Landown
[1:40:08] United Church for thinking outside the
[1:40:11] box and as of July 1st they will be
[1:40:15] joining forces and form a partnership
[1:40:19] uh that will u see them well we actually
[1:40:23] kind of sold our minister 25% of them
[1:40:27] to the lands down and but it's going to
[1:40:30] be um a a wonderful opportunity I think
[1:40:32] for our our small churches to find a
[1:40:36] sustainable way forward and uh I'm uh
[1:40:41] I'm looking forward to building those
[1:40:42] relationships. Um so yeah, that's
[1:40:45] congratulations to them for thinking
[1:40:48] that through.
[1:40:49] >> Awesome. Go ahead, Christa.
[1:40:52] » Awesome. Go ahead, Christa.
[1:40:52] >> Yeah, thank you. The Rockport
[1:40:54] » Yeah, thank you. The Rockport
[1:40:54] Development Group has their annual
[1:40:56] general meeting Wednesday at 6:30 at the
[1:40:59] Rockport Rec Hall. Um, I'll be attending
[1:41:01] and I'm sure that they would welcome
[1:41:02] other counselors and community members
[1:41:04] out as well. Thank you.
[1:41:06] >> Excellent. Go ahead, Dr. Mayor Fod.
[1:41:09] » Excellent. Go ahead, Dr. Mayor Fod.
[1:41:09] >> Thank you, Worship Muryu. This past
[1:41:12] » Thank you, Worship Muryu. This past
[1:41:12] week, uh, Lancetown lost one of its most
[1:41:15] noted residents. Uh, Bill Bolton had
[1:41:18] lived on Frederick Street for I don't
[1:41:21] know how many years. Long time. But Bill
[1:41:24] was better known as a lifelong teacher,
[1:41:26] but better maybe known locally here as a
[1:41:29] historian. Bill was also an author, but
[1:41:32] Bill worked tirelessly for the
[1:41:33] historical society on his own right. He
[1:41:36] was basically the head of the historical
[1:41:38] society before we had an historical
[1:41:41] society.
[1:41:42] Bill [clears throat] has donated
[1:41:43] numerous items to EScott Hall
[1:41:46] Springfield House. Uh the family brought
[1:41:49] a number of those items to a celebration
[1:41:51] of life Saturday when they come over to
[1:41:53] the community building after the service
[1:41:55] down at the funeral home. And uh maybe
[1:41:58] one of the most unique items I saw that
[1:42:01] day
[1:42:03] when Bill helped create the plaques that
[1:42:06] sit around our township. The one down
[1:42:09] here at the railway on the top left
[1:42:10] corner is a picture of a little boy
[1:42:13] wearing a railway outfit. That's Bill
[1:42:16] Bolan in that picture himself. He was
[1:42:18] about six year five or six years old in
[1:42:20] that picture. I found out from his
[1:42:22] daughter, Bill's father was an engineer
[1:42:25] on CN Railway and he had that pair of
[1:42:28] overalls ordered for Bill to fit. That
[1:42:32] pair of overalls were dry cleananed and
[1:42:34] stored until this past week. They had
[1:42:37] them, excuse me, they had them on
[1:42:40] display over here the other day and they
[1:42:43] look like they just came from a catalog
[1:42:45] somewhere or the eating store or
[1:42:47] wherever. They're going to donate those
[1:42:50] pair of overalls along with the number
[1:42:52] of other items have yet to be determined
[1:42:55] when they go through Bill's numerous
[1:42:57] pieces of history and history I should
[1:43:01] say and uh and memorabilia at the house
[1:43:04] and uh as they jokingly said it may take
[1:43:06] us a couple of years to do so but it's
[1:43:09] it's a loss to lose uh a member of the
[1:43:13] community so well known as Bill but he
[1:43:15] left a legacy and and through
[1:43:17] Springfield House and Escott uh Escott
[1:43:20] Hall and Springfield House. He'll uh
[1:43:22] he'll remain a part of our our lives for
[1:43:25] generations yet to come. I also want to
[1:43:28] thank uh the teamwork that's taking
[1:43:31] place through our department of
[1:43:32] operations. Um namely things such as the
[1:43:36] new pavement at Rockport. I've driven
[1:43:38] through there a number of times before,
[1:43:40] during, and now finished. That that's
[1:43:43] impressive. It's it's very well done. I
[1:43:46] know there's other jobs that Tackerberry
[1:43:48] has done for us. Uh the pathways in
[1:43:50] Lhurst and Silly's Bay. I haven't made
[1:43:52] it to the one in Silly's Bay, nor have I
[1:43:55] covered the entirety of the one in
[1:43:57] Lynhurst yet. Um the county road project
[1:44:01] out here on Warbertton Road and now part
[1:44:04] of Blue Mountain down to uh
[1:44:07] Rockfield has uh had its first layer
[1:44:10] completed. I was talking to those men
[1:44:11] when they were wrapping up last Thursday
[1:44:13] and they said uh that would stay that
[1:44:15] way till spring when they come back to
[1:44:16] put the second layer on. But it's nice
[1:44:18] to see these projects um wrapping up as
[1:44:22] our year is doing the same and before
[1:44:24] the next budget and u I'll leave the
[1:44:27] question mark out there for whoever
[1:44:28] cares to answer it. There's still a few
[1:44:30] projects not answered yet as to
[1:44:33] Springfield House Escott Hall when the
[1:44:35] ribbon cutting is for the George
[1:44:37] Tackerberry home and such. So, if
[1:44:40] anybody has information on those, I'd be
[1:44:42] keen to hear it. Thank you.
[1:44:45] >> You want to go first with Escott?
[1:44:48] » You want to go first with Escott?
[1:44:48] [laughter]
[1:44:50] >> Uh, thank you. Through your worship. So,
[1:44:52] » Uh, thank you. Through your worship. So,
[1:44:52] the Escott Hall and Springfield House.
[1:44:54] Um, we've encountered some delays with
[1:44:56] the archaeology study in in terms of the
[1:44:58] Springfield House. So, that likely won't
[1:45:00] happen until 2026. Um, we've spoken with
[1:45:04] the contractor. They said that uh you
[1:45:06] know it would require an additional mo
[1:45:08] in moout and time spent um hotels etc.
[1:45:12] So there they would expect some
[1:45:13] additional costs. Um so we we haven't
[1:45:15] had discussions about next steps with
[1:45:17] that one at this point until we've seen
[1:45:18] numbers. Uh the ESCO hall we are moving
[1:45:22] forward. The the walls are being
[1:45:24] painted. The the flooring is being
[1:45:26] selected. Um door doors are supposed to
[1:45:29] be coming and the the elevator lift. Um,
[1:45:32] all that's supposed to start happening
[1:45:33] here in the next couple weeks with the
[1:45:35] project estimated to be completed now at
[1:45:37] uh the end of January.
[1:45:39] >> So, the question that deputy mayor FOD
[1:45:42] » So, the question that deputy mayor FOD
[1:45:42] has asked is would we be able to or at
[1:45:44] least how I understood it, would we be
[1:45:47] able to open the archives hall, the
[1:45:49] Escott Rockport Hall before Springfield
[1:45:51] House or do they both have to be done in
[1:45:53] order to open?
[1:45:54] >> Um, the Springfield House, we haven't
[1:45:58] » Um, the Springfield House, we haven't
[1:45:58] really done anything with it on the
[1:46:00] inside. Structurally, the main floor is
[1:46:02] secure now. Um, but the the hope is to
[1:46:05] get the archives completely into their
[1:46:07] building and then come back to council
[1:46:09] with what what are the next steps with
[1:46:11] the Springfield House. It'll be
[1:46:12] completely vacated at that point. Um, we
[1:46:15] do have to do some work with the HVAC in
[1:46:16] there. It's not working correctly. Um,
[1:46:19] so there's there's really no air
[1:46:20] conditioning in that building. Um, but
[1:46:23] certainly there's there's some work that
[1:46:24] needs to be done in there before uh
[1:46:27] before we move forward. So, we could
[1:46:28] conceivably have a ribbon cutting for
[1:46:30] Escott Hall in early 2026.
[1:46:33] >> That is correct. The the intent is to
[1:46:35] » That is correct. The the intent is to
[1:46:36] get the uh the art trans group in into
[1:46:38] the building situated and comfortable um
[1:46:41] before we do the the grand opening so
[1:46:42] that everybody can see what it looks
[1:46:44] like as a finished product. Um so, yeah,
[1:46:46] I would expect that springtime would be
[1:46:48] the ideal time to to do the ribbon
[1:46:49] cutting for that project.
[1:46:51] >> Excellent.
[1:46:52] » Excellent.
[1:46:52] So, we'll hopefully have something to
[1:46:54] put on our calendars early in 2026.
[1:46:58] And so, now that I've had time to just
[1:47:00] double check my phone, um the ribbon
[1:47:04] cutting has not been booked for GTA yet,
[1:47:07] uh there was an issue with flooding that
[1:47:10] delayed the transition to the from the
[1:47:13] contractor handing the county the keys.
[1:47:17] They have as we have occupy partial
[1:47:19] occupancy as of
[1:47:22] a week and a half ago. What uh so the
[1:47:26] staff are in there and they're training.
[1:47:28] Um but what has to happen is is that the
[1:47:31] the ministry has to come and commission
[1:47:34] the building be meaning they have to
[1:47:36] come in inspect everything see the folks
[1:47:39] in there working seeing how everything's
[1:47:41] flowing making sure they have enough
[1:47:42] staff all the other things in order for
[1:47:45] them to open. So it is proposed and the
[1:47:49] hope is is that in the beginning of
[1:47:50] February we will be cutting the ribbon.
[1:47:53] Go ahead.
[1:47:55] Thank you. Worship through you and to
[1:47:57] you. So the ministry wants to come and
[1:48:00] see that everything's working without
[1:48:02] patience.
[1:48:03] >> Oh no, it's but it's more just the
[1:48:05] » Oh no, it's but it's more just the
[1:48:05] mechanical systems, the nurse call
[1:48:07] systems,
[1:48:08] >> those sorts of things. They need to test
[1:48:10] » those sorts of things. They need to test
[1:48:10] everything mechanically as well as that
[1:48:14] that the people who are responsible for
[1:48:17] running them know how to. So it's just
[1:48:19] because they're just basically coming
[1:48:20] over across the road. So, the good news
[1:48:23] is is that we are staffed. We're short a
[1:48:26] few bodies as of right now, but we're
[1:48:28] overstaffed for the existing home
[1:48:30] because we've upstaffed thinking we
[1:48:32] would be in the home by now.
[1:48:33] >> So, it's a double-edged sword. Um the
[1:48:36] » So, it's a double-edged sword. Um the
[1:48:36] good news is is that we'll be able to
[1:48:37] get in there, but the um the unfortunate
[1:48:41] incident which caused the uh water to
[1:48:45] penetrate the roof and into a brand new
[1:48:47] building
[1:48:49] is extremely disappointing uh that it
[1:48:53] happened. Um but it had to be fixed. It
[1:48:56] had to be fixed, right? I'm just
[1:48:57] grateful it didn't happen when there
[1:48:59] were humans in in there and there would
[1:49:01] have been bigger challenges. So, um, and
[1:49:03] we caught a few couple of extra things
[1:49:05] when they were that needed to be fixed
[1:49:07] before they turned the keys over. So,
[1:49:09] the good news is is that they are moving
[1:49:11] as quickly as possible and that there's
[1:49:14] um the ministry is very much on side
[1:49:17] with getting this. They want the beds
[1:49:18] open as quickly as possible. So, um
[1:49:21] there'll be no delay from the ministry
[1:49:22] end.
[1:49:23] >> Okay. Thank you.
[1:49:24] » Okay. Thank you.
[1:49:24] >> Okay. We also received a delegation from
[1:49:28] » Okay. We also received a delegation from
[1:49:28] So, I'll just go right into the mayor's
[1:49:30] update. We received a delegation from
[1:49:32] Perith Falls Hospital. Right now, 42% of
[1:49:35] their patients are waiting for long-term
[1:49:36] care beds in their hospital. Last time
[1:49:39] they came, it was 49. So, they're
[1:49:42] actually improving the numbers. And I
[1:49:44] believe Kingston and Brockville are
[1:49:47] their numbers are still in the mid30s,
[1:49:50] I believe. So, we know that there's a
[1:49:52] number of people looking for these beds
[1:49:54] and we're trying to get them online as
[1:49:56] quickly as possible. Um just want to say
[1:49:58] congratulations to all the um parade
[1:50:01] organizers. So thank you to our own um
[1:50:05] counselor maybe who slash town crier
[1:50:08] slash parade organizer and his crew.
[1:50:11] Always a great time in Ganona. It was
[1:50:13] lovely to see so many people out and
[1:50:15] such a great evening for weather. Um it
[1:50:18] wasn't raining, it wasn't snowing, it
[1:50:20] was just perfect. Um so it was quite a
[1:50:23] lovely evening. Thank you to Deputy
[1:50:24] Mayor Fod, but uh specifically thank you
[1:50:27] to Lyall Stacy, one of our um public
[1:50:30] works folks who took the time on a
[1:50:32] Saturday night along with his daughter
[1:50:35] and her boyfriend to come out and
[1:50:37] decorate and get everything out. And I
[1:50:39] believe Tyler was the one who got the
[1:50:41] truck ready the evening before. So, it
[1:50:43] was a bit of a team effort, but it's
[1:50:45] always nice to go and support town of
[1:50:47] Yanquway. Um, but obviously we've had
[1:50:50] Landown, we've had Lindhurst. Um, we the
[1:50:53] shop and hop I heard was extremely well
[1:50:56] attended. Um, and I'm really grateful
[1:50:59] that so many people use that opportunity
[1:51:02] to go out and see all the different
[1:51:03] stores in our area and outside of our
[1:51:06] area for that matter. But the fact that
[1:51:08] they all work together so well, I'm
[1:51:11] excited about what they're going to do
[1:51:12] in the summer with some of their other
[1:51:14] marketing efforts. um which is I won't
[1:51:17] you know go too far down the rabbit hole
[1:51:19] on that one um the economic development
[1:51:23] summit last Friday a week ago Friday um
[1:51:27] that was very important for this
[1:51:28] municipality there was a 12 over $12
[1:51:31] million announcement made uh by
[1:51:34] Samsterhoff associate minister for
[1:51:36] energy and connectivity
[1:51:38] um out of that uh amount that was given
[1:51:42] a good portion of that is being spent
[1:51:44] here in this municipality. Um they are
[1:51:48] basically plugging the holes or the gaps
[1:51:51] in the connectivity throughout the
[1:51:54] entire municipality. Um they are working
[1:51:58] very rapidly to um get the
[1:52:01] infrastructure up and running so that
[1:52:04] they can start um looking for clients to
[1:52:08] or customers that are in need of better
[1:52:11] connectivity regardless of the
[1:52:13] topography and where they live which is
[1:52:15] very important. So, I'm extremely proud
[1:52:18] um that after seven years of talking
[1:52:22] about connectivity here in the township
[1:52:24] of Leeds and the Thousand Islands that
[1:52:27] for all the work that's been done to
[1:52:29] actually wire as many people um my
[1:52:32] parents got their con connection, their
[1:52:34] hardwired connection the other day. Um
[1:52:36] and the wires have been hanging on poles
[1:52:39] for quite some time and they're working
[1:52:42] steadily on that. It doesn't happen
[1:52:44] overnight. Um but the this um
[1:52:48] announcement will be for all those who
[1:52:50] aren't getting the hardwired connection
[1:52:53] that they will have additional options
[1:52:55] for connectivity um and through a
[1:52:58] Canadian provider. So um but the
[1:53:02] economic development summit was uh a
[1:53:05] great success. One of the main themes,
[1:53:08] which I know that maybe some folks who
[1:53:10] were in attendance probably were like,
[1:53:12] "Why does this pertain to me as a small
[1:53:14] business owner?" Um, it was in regards
[1:53:16] to uh grid stability. Um, we had the
[1:53:20] folks from IEO there explaining to us
[1:53:24] about what they're doing for a survey to
[1:53:27] try to better understand what the power
[1:53:29] needs are. What people I've had to learn
[1:53:33] this all myself in the last not all
[1:53:35] myself but I've had to learn this
[1:53:38] through sort of osmosis with other folks
[1:53:40] who've done a lot more digging than I
[1:53:43] have. We have all the power in the
[1:53:45] world. We do not have a grid that is
[1:53:47] stable enough to actually use it. And
[1:53:50] the challenges are immense for the large
[1:53:53] businesses that want to grow and employ
[1:53:55] more of our family, friends, and
[1:53:57] neighbors. Um the one business owner,
[1:54:00] Greenfield Ethanol, got up and said that
[1:54:02] they lose a million dollars every time
[1:54:04] the power goes down on the plant. Last
[1:54:06] year it was over $28 million they lost
[1:54:10] because it went down 28 times. So that
[1:54:15] from a business perspective is not
[1:54:17] acceptable. Um, but moreover, we have
[1:54:20] businesses like Greenfield and uh, HFI
[1:54:24] Pyro Technics that are further east of
[1:54:26] here that want to expand and they can't.
[1:54:29] And let's be honest, there's lots of
[1:54:31] people who live in this township and
[1:54:33] drive a half an hour, 40 minutes that
[1:54:35] way to work. No different than going to
[1:54:37] Kingston. We're right smack in the
[1:54:40] middle. And so it's important because
[1:54:43] all the small business owners, the shop
[1:54:45] and hop folks, those people that work at
[1:54:49] those businesses are the ones that go
[1:54:50] out there on a Saturday or a Sunday or a
[1:54:52] Friday afternoon and spend their money
[1:54:54] and support our small businesses in our
[1:54:56] communities. So it's very important that
[1:54:58] we all row this boat in the same
[1:55:00] direction. Um MP Steve Clark has been um
[1:55:04] very much vocal about this and now the
[1:55:07] study has been moved up 7 months which
[1:55:09] I'm very grateful. um because it will
[1:55:11] still take time for us to get the grid
[1:55:14] um up to a certain level that will be
[1:55:16] able to handle the amount of power. Uh
[1:55:19] we also had the minister of small
[1:55:20] business there and Minister Tangry um
[1:55:24] who was here earlier in the summer
[1:55:25] talking about small business with our
[1:55:27] summer company folks and this is going
[1:55:30] to be a shameless plug for starter
[1:55:32] company and starter company plus and
[1:55:34] summer company. If you have a business
[1:55:37] that you are looking to grow and scale,
[1:55:39] starter company plus might be an option
[1:55:41] for you. If you would like to start a
[1:55:43] business in the municipality, starter
[1:55:46] company might be for you. If you have a
[1:55:49] young person, and I believe it's
[1:55:52] 15 to I'd have to get the ages um 15 to
[1:55:56] 30. It's it goes quite high for summer
[1:56:00] company where they're looking to create
[1:56:02] you to get help to create a business.
[1:56:05] Each one of these programs has a grant
[1:56:08] that comes with them. So you get so much
[1:56:10] upfront to help start your business and
[1:56:12] create a business plan and get mentors
[1:56:15] for marketing, accounting, coaching, all
[1:56:18] sorts of things. Um, and then once you
[1:56:21] complete the program, you get this other
[1:56:23] amount and I believe it's $5,000. Like,
[1:56:25] and for the summer company, I think it's
[1:56:27] three
[1:56:30] 15. Thank you. You just look that up for
[1:56:32] me. Thank you. Um, but I cannot stress
[1:56:36] enough that these programs that are
[1:56:39] available to anybody here in the United
[1:56:41] Counties of Leeds and Grumble, including
[1:56:42] TLTI residents, is such a valuable
[1:56:45] program because it really helps build
[1:56:48] confidence, get you on stable footing so
[1:56:52] that you can apply for funding from
[1:56:54] Community Futures or the bank or
[1:56:57] whatever uh in order to make sure that
[1:56:59] your business can um either establish
[1:57:02] itself self or grow or figure out if
[1:57:05] entrepreneur entrepreneurialism is for
[1:57:08] you. Um the summer company was pretty
[1:57:10] incredible. One of the kids made $20,000
[1:57:12] in 2 months literally cleaning cars. It
[1:57:16] was phenomenal. Created his own um car
[1:57:20] cleaning business. So um yeah uh and so
[1:57:24] that's why the economic development
[1:57:25] summit is always really great. We also
[1:57:27] have a the Bill Thake award which was
[1:57:30] awarded to Brian Purcell who's from
[1:57:32] Spencerville who um I have actually
[1:57:35] gotten to know over the years because
[1:57:37] he's in the insurance business but that
[1:57:39] is secondary to what he does in the
[1:57:41] community and Brian has always been a
[1:57:43] very dedicated community-minded person
[1:57:45] which is what the Billake Award is all
[1:57:48] about. So uh did I miss anything that's
[1:57:52] coming up? Oh treelighting in Lanstown I
[1:57:54] believe is Friday. Thank you. And
[1:58:02] oh yes, RTO Canal is upcoming 200 year
[1:58:05] anniversary. Um so they are going to be
[1:58:08] doing a number of projects. There is
[1:58:10] also going to be an assembly of
[1:58:13] of villages, towns along the Reo that
[1:58:17] are going to hopefully be part of
[1:58:20] delegating to the feds uh in regards to
[1:58:23] getting additional funds put together.
[1:58:25] Um we are uh we need to be very vocal
[1:58:28] about the Lasal Causeway and what havoc
[1:58:31] that is wrecking on businesses, towns
[1:58:34] and homes along the Reto Canal. So um
[1:58:38] more to come on that. I know that uh
[1:58:41] Mayor Robin Jones along with uh the
[1:58:44] contact from RTO Canal were supposed to
[1:58:47] uh let us know when they might be
[1:58:49] committing a meeting and I will let the
[1:58:50] rest of council know.
[1:58:53] Other than that,
[1:58:55] okay, that's everything. So, we have no
[1:58:58] closed session this evening. So, we'll
[1:59:00] move right on to adjournment. And then
[1:59:02] the motion comes forward from councelor
[1:59:04] Antoine Hartley, seconded by councelor
[1:59:06] maybe that council adjourn at 7:57.
[1:59:10] All those in favor? All those opposed?
[1:59:12] And we're carried. Thank you, folks.