1 00:00:20,340 --> 00:00:26,440 I call to order the September 3rd, 2020 sex meeting of the Leesburg Clinic Mission. Please rise for the pledge of legions. 2 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:40,880 All 3 00:00:44,300 --> 00:00:56,180 right. Let the record reflect that we do have a physical quorum. Do I hear a motion to allow chair Campbell to remote participate in the meeting? Do to medical excuse? 4 00:01:01,020 --> 00:01:08,130 your motion. So moved to a second. Seconded. Okay. I have a motion in a second. Mr. Campbell, 5 00:01:08,230 --> 00:01:08,850 what are you on? 6 00:01:10,870 --> 00:01:14,930 Yes, I am. All right. I'm going to jump ahead. Any chair statement from 7 00:01:14,930 --> 00:01:15,490 you, sir? 8 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:23,200 I'm about at the time. Thank you. All right. For the agenda, do I hear motion to adopt 9 00:01:23,200 --> 00:01:30,960 the agenda for today's September 3rd as submitted? So moved? All right. Any questions, 10 00:01:30,960 --> 00:01:35,220 changes the liberation. All right, all in favor? 11 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:41,080 Five. Aye. Mr. Campbell. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. 12 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:45,200 Do I hear a motion to approve the minutes of the August 6th, 2026 meeting? 13 00:01:46,180 --> 00:01:49,460 So moved. Aye. Aye. Any changes or alterations? 14 00:01:50,380 --> 00:01:55,420 No. Aye. All those in favor? Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. 15 00:01:55,420 --> 00:01:58,860 Mr. Campbell. Aye. Aye. Aye. Aye. 16 00:01:58,860 --> 00:02:00,000 You must be slow. 17 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:01,360 Disclosures. 18 00:02:01,540 --> 00:02:02,360 Looking to my left. 19 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:04,520 Disclosures. 20 00:02:05,500 --> 00:02:05,580 None. 21 00:02:06,660 --> 00:02:07,000 OK. 22 00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:09,960 Stair chair statement already done. 23 00:02:10,780 --> 00:02:13,080 Any petitioner signed up? 24 00:02:13,180 --> 00:02:14,280 Nobody signed up. 25 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:14,680 OK. 26 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:16,400 I don't see any petitioners in the audience. 27 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:17,700 So I will skip ahead. 28 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:20,720 Today's work session is the zoning ordinance 29 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:22,360 rebrite state code updates. 30 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:25,580 Solar facilities and portable solar devices. 31 00:02:25,580 --> 00:02:31,320 I'm speaking today, we have our WV Town Attorney, Tina Newton, 32 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:33,320 Zunning Administrator, Mr. Michael Watkins, 33 00:02:33,660 --> 00:02:35,700 and of course Director David, the floor is yours. 34 00:02:36,340 --> 00:02:37,960 Great, thank you, Mr. Vice Chair. 35 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:42,200 So tonight is our second work session 36 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,920 where we are discussing recent state code changes 37 00:02:46,700 --> 00:02:51,640 that trickle down to the need to revise our local zoning ordinance. 38 00:02:51,640 --> 00:02:58,260 and the commission is spending this time to create recommendations based on that new state 39 00:02:58,260 --> 00:03:03,440 legislation to forward to the council for consideration as they go through the larger zoning 40 00:03:03,440 --> 00:03:13,540 orders rewrite. And so tonight's item is focused on solar legislation and just bear with 41 00:03:13,540 --> 00:03:20,440 us as we try to get the audio visual up here. But if you're following along with your staff 42 00:03:20,440 --> 00:03:23,560 report, that's how I'm going to walk through these topics. 43 00:03:25,060 --> 00:03:36,000 So the solar related legislation is HB-711 and SB-250 and recall that deputy town attorney 44 00:03:36,000 --> 00:03:41,280 Ms. Newton gave you a pretty thorough overview of these couple meetings ago, so I'll just 45 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:47,300 be brief with the intent of the legislation and then we'll talk about the draft recommendations. 46 00:03:47,300 --> 00:03:53,820 So, HP711 recall that focuses on solar photovoltaic projects. 47 00:03:54,580 --> 00:04:00,780 It basically requires localities to allow solar photovoltaic projects either by right or by special exception. 48 00:04:02,140 --> 00:04:09,720 And it has a certain applicable special exception criteria for an energy storage project. 49 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,600 There's definitions of the solar photovoltaic projects. 50 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:16,660 there's definitions of ground-mounted solar as well, 51 00:04:17,100 --> 00:04:19,840 and then there's certain special exception criteria 52 00:04:19,840 --> 00:04:24,240 that staff has reviewed and incorporated into our draft 53 00:04:24,240 --> 00:04:25,380 recommended edits. 54 00:04:27,020 --> 00:04:29,580 Might be my machine, so if you just want to pull up 55 00:04:29,580 --> 00:04:30,760 the packet, that's great. 56 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:38,620 Okay, in addition to HP711, we have SB250, 57 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:43,380 and what SB250 does is it changes the title of this section 58 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:49,080 local regulation of solar facilities and adds the term small portable solar generation 59 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:49,660 devices. 60 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:56,580 And then basically says there's a new definition and it prevents the locality from prohibiting 61 00:04:56,580 --> 00:05:04,740 the small portable solar generation devices on residential structures provided that they 62 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,080 Back in other property development standards. 63 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:12,280 HB711 also authorizes the locality to allow an energy storage project, and then there's also SB443, 64 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:17,480 which influences an impacts HB711. 65 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:24,460 So staff looked at all that recent state code and came up with the following proposed changes. 66 00:05:25,380 --> 00:05:35,540 One would be to modify the table 921 in the residential districts use table to add accessory 67 00:05:35,540 --> 00:05:42,620 solar facility and portable solar generation device subject to codified standards. 68 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:47,220 And we have that up on the screen, good timing is Boeing. 69 00:05:48,300 --> 00:05:54,440 So that's what you see there up on the screen is the proposed modification to table 921. 70 00:05:54,440 --> 00:06:00,920 one, so you see accessory solar facility with the L's across the board and residential districts, 71 00:06:01,460 --> 00:06:08,080 which denotes limited use and implies there are use standards associated with it, 72 00:06:08,080 --> 00:06:12,000 and then portable solar generation device with L's across the board and the residential 73 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,680 districts as well as a link to the use standards. 74 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,680 If you could scroll down to 922, please. 75 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:25,320 This is the non-residential mixed-use district's table. 76 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:32,700 You'll see there that we've also added accessory solar facility, portable solar generation 77 00:06:32,700 --> 00:06:34,180 device as well. 78 00:06:35,140 --> 00:06:41,840 And because this is non-residential and mixed-use, we've added solar photovoltaic project and 79 00:06:41,840 --> 00:06:44,000 battery energy storage project. 80 00:06:45,520 --> 00:06:51,200 Since those two uses are a little bit larger in scale, especially the solar photo will take 81 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:57,160 project, we put those in special exceptions, subject to legislative review, for the battery 82 00:06:57,160 --> 00:07:01,880 energy storage, those are proposed as limited uses with codified standards. 83 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:09,540 We allow it accessory solar facility across the board in the non-residential mixed use 84 00:07:09,540 --> 00:07:13,520 districts, but we were a little bit more selective with the portable solar generation 85 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:21,460 device, we've proposed limited use in commercial neighborhood mixed use downtown and innovation 86 00:07:21,460 --> 00:07:27,980 center, and then with the solar photovoltaic and battery energy storage projects, you 87 00:07:27,980 --> 00:07:34,180 see here that it's not in the districts that have residential components necessarily. 88 00:07:34,300 --> 00:07:39,440 You've got it in the industrial research innovation center, which does allow some residential 89 00:07:39,440 --> 00:07:42,560 and then government center and the airport district. 90 00:07:45,420 --> 00:07:49,800 And the final section of the tables that we are proposing 91 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,500 a modification is the Crescent District use tables. 92 00:07:53,100 --> 00:07:55,880 And here, similar to the residential use table, 93 00:07:56,060 --> 00:07:58,080 we've added accessory solar facility, 94 00:07:58,260 --> 00:08:00,100 portable solar generation device, 95 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,380 as a limited use in those Crescent District 96 00:08:03,380 --> 00:08:05,580 sub-districts that have a residential component. 97 00:08:05,780 --> 00:08:08,580 So we wanted to make sure that we're complying with state code 98 00:08:08,580 --> 00:08:11,800 you have to allow these things where residences are allowed. 99 00:08:12,760 --> 00:08:17,020 We also added accessory solar to the Crescent District Government Center. 100 00:08:18,700 --> 00:08:21,060 Okay, I'm just pulling if you could just go a little further down. 101 00:08:21,840 --> 00:08:25,580 Now we start to see the draft use standards, which remind me of the zooming in if you can a 102 00:08:25,580 --> 00:08:26,320 little bit. 103 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:27,140 Thank you. 104 00:08:29,500 --> 00:08:30,580 So here are the use standards. 105 00:08:30,780 --> 00:08:35,100 There's a lot of this language comes straight from the state code and we've inserted 106 00:08:35,100 --> 00:08:37,540 the state code references as applicable. 107 00:08:37,540 --> 00:08:45,100 So here are the use standards for solar photovoltaic project, setbacks 100 feet from any road, 108 00:08:45,380 --> 00:08:50,960 150 feet from any residential public institutional civic use, 50 feet from wetlands and 109 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:57,880 perennial streams. Fencing again per state code has to meet energy code if you could scroll down 110 00:08:57,880 --> 00:09:05,400 a little bit please. Screening, this comes from the state code as well, opaque, vegetative screen, 111 00:09:05,400 --> 00:09:12,400 The 35-foot wide buffer yard height cannot exceed a maximum height of 25 feet. 112 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:18,500 And again, when we talk about solar voltage, we're talking about largely like brown-mounted 113 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:25,600 solar arrays for the purpose of generating enough electricity to sell back to the grid, 114 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:27,720 or to sell to other users, right? 115 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:30,120 So this is a little bit more commercial and operation. 116 00:09:31,800 --> 00:09:36,640 Viewshed analysis, we've got those use standards in there as well, because the state allows 117 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:43,120 us to evaluate impacts on public park, scenic rivers, biways, historic structures, and 118 00:09:43,120 --> 00:09:44,040 historic places. 119 00:09:45,100 --> 00:09:50,580 There's some standards about lighting, as well as about stormwater compliance impervious 120 00:09:50,580 --> 00:09:51,060 surface. 121 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,820 We minimize your impervious surface. 122 00:09:53,920 --> 00:09:56,240 There's a bunch about land disturbing activities. 123 00:09:56,500 --> 00:09:58,560 Again, this is all coming from the state code. 124 00:09:58,560 --> 00:10:04,800 There's additional standards we keep scrolling about wildlife corridors trying to 125 00:10:01,180 --> 00:10:23,800 Avoid impacting wildlife corridors. There's even standards about labor laws. I know that's not your typical zoning type issue, but we felt like, hey, put it in there. It's in the state code. Might as well have it in our local code, decommissioning as well as airport impacts. Battery energy storage. You've got additional standards. 126 00:10:25,300 --> 00:10:33,560 And again, this is a more commercially designed project that is accessory to and approved 127 00:10:33,560 --> 00:10:35,580 solar photovoltaic project. 128 00:10:36,260 --> 00:10:41,620 So they're generating that solar power with the hopes of selling it back to the grid and 129 00:10:41,620 --> 00:10:42,800 they need a place to store it. 130 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:46,300 They can have an accessory battery storage project on site as well. 131 00:10:46,680 --> 00:10:51,520 And so those standards are listed here to make sure that we're mitigating some of the impacts. 132 00:10:51,520 --> 00:10:54,880 It's the same setbacks, keep these battery energy cells 133 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,100 with the structures equipped with cooling ventilation 134 00:10:57,100 --> 00:10:57,980 fire suppression. 135 00:10:59,540 --> 00:11:01,040 All right, if you can scroll down a bit further, 136 00:11:01,940 --> 00:11:04,640 now we get into the accessory residential standard. 137 00:11:04,660 --> 00:11:07,540 So we're talking about accessory solar 138 00:11:08,060 --> 00:11:10,820 and more specifically accessory solar facility 139 00:11:10,820 --> 00:11:12,840 and portable solar generation device. 140 00:11:12,900 --> 00:11:15,000 So we're talking about smaller and scale, 141 00:11:15,300 --> 00:11:19,020 primarily designed to serve the needs of that property 142 00:11:19,020 --> 00:11:20,320 and that property alone. 143 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:28,180 So, think photovoltaic panels may be on top of a roof or somewhere around your property. 144 00:11:29,180 --> 00:11:35,980 So, standards here got to comply with the underlying zoning districts, set back requirements. 145 00:11:36,180 --> 00:11:41,340 If the panels are on the rooftop, you have to comply with the underlying districts structure height. 146 00:11:41,780 --> 00:11:45,780 If ground mounted, got to comply with the accessory structure height. 147 00:11:45,780 --> 00:11:52,760 Also, I have to comply with overlay districts and get way all of historic overlay districts 148 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:59,560 that are architectural control districts and then put your battery cells in a primary 149 00:11:59,560 --> 00:12:00,620 or accessory structure. 150 00:12:02,020 --> 00:12:08,000 Reportable solar rate generation device, again, thanks small scale, mainly to serve the 151 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:12,920 thermal or electrical needs of that property, similar standards here. 152 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:19,000 meet your setbacks, comply with our architectural district guidelines, meet any other applicable 153 00:12:19,000 --> 00:12:20,640 state codes for those devices. 154 00:12:23,680 --> 00:12:28,640 And because we have accessory solar allowed in non-residential 155 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:34,040 mixed use, we repeat those standards again here to make sure that we're covered in both the 156 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:39,500 accessory residential and accessory non-residential mixed use sections of article, 157 00:12:39,500 --> 00:12:47,280 sorry, section 11. And if you keep going, it's Boeing. Now we get to our definitions. 158 00:12:48,520 --> 00:12:53,220 Straight from the state code. Accessory solar facilities are roof-mounted or ground-mounted solar 159 00:12:53,220 --> 00:12:58,540 power system to serve the electricity or thermal needs of the property upon which such facilities are 160 00:12:58,540 --> 00:13:09,420 located for the property. Battery energy storage project, accessory use, located within the 161 00:13:09,420 --> 00:13:16,620 photovoltaic project to have the better energy storage project and that solar photovoltaic 162 00:13:16,620 --> 00:13:21,420 project needs a special exception and has a rate of storage capacity that is not exceed 163 00:13:21,420 --> 00:13:26,800 a hundred percent of the nameplate generating a capacity of the associated solar energy 164 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:32,260 facility against right out of the code and then finally movable photovoltaic generation 165 00:13:32,260 --> 00:13:37,640 device that's the portable device. Oh sorry there's one more solar photovoltaic project. 166 00:13:39,420 --> 00:13:43,660 Per that section of the state code, ground-mounted solar facility with a generated capacity of one megawatt 167 00:13:43,660 --> 00:13:49,860 or more designed to serve or serves the electricity or thermal needs of any property other than the property 168 00:13:49,860 --> 00:13:51,260 where such facility is located. 169 00:13:51,900 --> 00:13:53,420 So, think commercial use. 170 00:13:55,280 --> 00:14:00,860 So, that covers what we have for you tonight in terms of recommended changes to the council 171 00:14:00,860 --> 00:14:02,260 for the Zoningordas rewrite. 172 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:09,400 Staff is supportive of these changes, feels like solar is a good sustainable practice, and 173 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:12,760 And welcome any discussion questions or recommendations. 174 00:14:15,360 --> 00:14:18,290 Looks like we have a bird in there. 175 00:14:18,410 --> 00:14:20,620 Chair Campbell, would you like to kick us off? 176 00:14:21,450 --> 00:14:21,470 Yeah. 177 00:14:23,510 --> 00:14:27,270 No, I don't have any questions at that time. 178 00:14:28,430 --> 00:14:29,390 All right, thank you, sir. 179 00:14:31,650 --> 00:14:35,430 Council Member Steinberg, would you like to ask any questions of the content? 180 00:14:35,950 --> 00:14:36,390 Thank you. 181 00:14:37,070 --> 00:14:40,610 And I apologize if I miss this in the previous discussion. 182 00:14:40,610 --> 00:14:44,250 was this the first time you've had this specific discussion. 183 00:14:44,950 --> 00:14:49,410 First time, because this came from the more recent 2026 Virginia General Assembly. 184 00:14:50,650 --> 00:14:57,290 Oh, in the event of a development that basically falls into the regulations of an HOA. 185 00:14:58,510 --> 00:15:04,810 How much of this becomes moved if the HOA regulations for bid or cash. 186 00:15:00,000 --> 00:15:17,300 And they forbid solar installations within a project. And since most of what we're likely to see, in terms of redevelopment, would indeed probably have some kind of HOA. 187 00:15:19,180 --> 00:15:25,840 The question comes, are they able to supersede state regulations with their own HOA regulation? 188 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:38,740 So, our zoning ordinance cannot supersede the private restrictions that an HOA would impose. 189 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:40,480 I appreciate that. 190 00:15:41,320 --> 00:15:49,140 I'm just wondering, can there regulation supersede what the state says property owners can do? 191 00:15:50,420 --> 00:15:53,940 Or within the auspices of an HOA, all of that becomes new? 192 00:15:53,940 --> 00:15:54,340 Right. 193 00:15:54,340 --> 00:16:02,480 So the new legislation does not contain anything that tries to supersede HOA regulations. 194 00:16:04,300 --> 00:16:15,340 Conceivably, the general assembly could try to limit what can be contained in HOA restrictions 195 00:16:15,340 --> 00:16:24,240 or declarations if they wanted to go back and retroactively do that to try to influence restrictions 196 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:28,520 that already exist, there will be other issues with that. 197 00:16:28,760 --> 00:16:30,800 There will be taking issues, for example. 198 00:16:32,340 --> 00:16:39,460 Most of the legislation you see that talks about the rights of a tenant or a landowner 199 00:16:39,460 --> 00:16:47,660 has a disclaimer that it does not, it does not supersede the rights that are granted 200 00:16:47,660 --> 00:16:50,380 by the private covenants. 201 00:16:51,980 --> 00:16:57,280 We're a residential development to occur, and it falls on the auspices of an 202 00:16:57,280 --> 00:17:04,700 nature where they could decide to allow solar, and if they do, then they would have to apply 203 00:17:04,700 --> 00:17:12,260 this law to the decisions they made in their covenants and so on, I'm just, let's say yes, 204 00:17:12,260 --> 00:17:20,360 you may have rooftop solar in this development, and it is everything you do is guided by 205 00:17:20,360 --> 00:17:23,560 state law as opposed to what we can hope to accomplish. 206 00:17:25,760 --> 00:17:31,280 Well, I'm not sure I totally understand that question. 207 00:17:31,480 --> 00:17:36,070 I think where you started was sort of the 208 00:17:36,070 --> 00:17:37,870 converse of what you're asking now. 209 00:17:39,490 --> 00:17:42,590 So, if our zoning ordinance allows 210 00:17:42,590 --> 00:17:47,910 the rooftop solar, for example, the HOA 211 00:17:47,910 --> 00:17:49,970 covenants could still restrict it. 212 00:17:49,970 --> 00:17:50,950 I understand that. 213 00:17:51,750 --> 00:17:59,690 But I want to say as you have a residential development that will have an HOA and the HOA 214 00:17:59,690 --> 00:18:07,430 will permit solar installations on individual rooftops. 215 00:18:07,830 --> 00:18:11,530 In doing that must they then follow the state guidelines. 216 00:18:11,690 --> 00:18:17,170 They cannot fashion their own guidelines within the HOA regarding solar installation. 217 00:18:22,870 --> 00:18:30,290 I'm just, you know, it just occurs to me this could come up and so I'm just, I want to be sure where we stand there. 218 00:18:31,980 --> 00:18:45,380 So if the question is, could the HOA say we allow solar that is a different format than is allowed by our zoning ordinance? 219 00:18:45,380 --> 00:18:50,620 I don't know what that would be, but just hypothetically, the HOA is trying to allow 220 00:18:50,620 --> 00:18:54,320 something that goes beyond what our ordinance allows? 221 00:18:55,060 --> 00:18:55,660 No. 222 00:18:55,940 --> 00:18:56,020 No. 223 00:18:56,020 --> 00:18:56,780 Let's think of that. 224 00:18:56,940 --> 00:19:02,400 I'm just saying they can't supersede whatever the state prescribes, and allowing, 225 00:19:03,100 --> 00:19:04,440 and creating it, allowing solace. 226 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,780 The HOA did not proceed, solar. 227 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:12,780 No, I'm saying they're developing a project, and they will allow solar within the project. 228 00:19:12,780 --> 00:19:14,980 They're developing it now. 229 00:19:16,100 --> 00:19:17,960 Let's say they're going to build it. 230 00:19:18,260 --> 00:19:33,160 Okay, so the HOA has not yet been approved between the town and the HOA people, in which case it hammer out the zoning stuff for solar if that was part of their HOA agreement, right? 231 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:39,480 Because you reviewed that before it stamped on new developments. 232 00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:48,940 We do review the property owners association documents to make sure they comply with the zoning ordinance and state law. 233 00:19:49,560 --> 00:19:54,600 Well, presumably our ordinance is going to comply with state law. 234 00:19:55,720 --> 00:20:02,200 We're, I mean, we're enacting legislation so that we do comply with state law. 235 00:20:00,500 --> 00:20:12,480 Okay. There's specific example of scenario like, don't have one. I mean, I'm just trying to anticipate this example. Let's say you're going to build the townhouse development. 236 00:20:12,540 --> 00:20:26,580 And it's going to, and in this particular development, if the, therefore, purchase and the property owner could install solar on their roof within the auspices of an HOA. 237 00:20:26,580 --> 00:20:35,240 can the HOA in any way restrict what that property owner could do in that particular development 238 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,840 that would run a foul of state law? 239 00:20:38,900 --> 00:20:39,700 I'm guessing not. 240 00:20:39,700 --> 00:20:39,900 I'm guessing not. 241 00:20:39,900 --> 00:20:39,980 I'm guessing not. 242 00:20:40,620 --> 00:20:40,900 I'm guessing not. 243 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:52,440 So they are able to, they are able to restrict what is allowed on the roof and our zoning 244 00:20:52,440 --> 00:21:00,520 or I mean this the state law does not purport to overrule the restrictions that the 245 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:08,520 owners association imposes I guess what I could they could say we don't allow rooftop 246 00:21:08,520 --> 00:21:14,580 solar in this I understand that yes I understand that entirely okay so I I'm so sorry 247 00:21:14,580 --> 00:21:23,800 I'm not I'm not following this the quote sense you have potentially portable or whatever 248 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:29,060 languages for a solar, they might allow that in one form of fashion. 249 00:21:31,120 --> 00:21:38,980 I think we're good. At some point, we may see the question may arise, and then we'll see how it plays out since this is all new. 250 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,860 We'll have a better hypothetical, yeah. 251 00:21:42,340 --> 00:21:46,600 Okay. Do we know all there is to know about battery storage facilities? 252 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:55,660 Because I assume we could get an application for a battery storage facility that is not related 253 00:21:55,660 --> 00:22:01,840 to an actual solar project. Is that correct? 254 00:22:04,210 --> 00:22:10,790 Oh, working. Yeah. I mean, the self-example, let's say you have a data center, and they 255 00:22:10,790 --> 00:22:16,190 are going to use battery storage to a certain extent for backup. This, that's an entirely 256 00:22:16,190 --> 00:22:19,750 This is a separate conversation from this one since these particular 257 00:22:19,750 --> 00:22:24,710 battery storage is related to solar projects as opposed to any other kind. 258 00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:25,570 Correct. 259 00:22:25,890 --> 00:22:31,070 This is only accessory to an approved special option for a solar project. 260 00:22:31,330 --> 00:22:31,470 All right. 261 00:22:31,710 --> 00:22:40,790 So that we are entitled to, we are enabled to enact a battery energy storage project that 262 00:22:40,790 --> 00:22:47,110 is free-standing, Mike can talk about that, but we, the staff did not recommend that. 263 00:22:48,130 --> 00:22:55,870 The only recommended, what is required by the other code, there's another different code 264 00:22:55,870 --> 00:23:01,290 section that basically says we can't prohibit the battery energy storage that is accessory 265 00:23:01,290 --> 00:23:02,890 to the approved solar vote. 266 00:23:03,250 --> 00:23:03,710 All right. 267 00:23:04,210 --> 00:23:04,410 Okay. 268 00:23:04,610 --> 00:23:04,970 Thanks. 269 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:08,200 I'm 270 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:21,300 trying to figure out how this will apply, for example, 271 00:23:24,580 --> 00:23:42,100 the people, the control, for example, shopping center, let's make a giant, and they want to put in parking structure latticework in order to put solar panels on. 272 00:23:43,040 --> 00:24:02,000 Do they simply come in with a picture on limited use saying, this is what I'd like to do and this is the areas of the parking lot that I'm going to put it on, how would something of that nature work? 273 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:11,120 And then, is there anything within our zoning that precludes a certain 274 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:23,020 take down if they want to then, is there specific rules for taking the solar down when they want to do reconstruction? 275 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:32,320 I'll start and then pass it over to Mr. Watkins, but the way we have it currently proposed 276 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:38,240 is accessory solar facility would be allowed in all of our commercial districts that 277 00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:44,020 allow a shopping center. So they could do it, but they'd have to demonstrate to the 278 00:24:44,020 --> 00:24:47,560 zoning administrator that they're compliant with those limited use standards that we 279 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:52,340 went over. So it could be a picture. Could be people can do this. Correct. 280 00:24:53,140 --> 00:24:57,440 Okay, and then at the end of their useful life. 281 00:24:58,220 --> 00:25:01,260 I don't believe we added decommissioning standards. 282 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,520 Can we really add other than they'd be required to remove it when they're done using the facilities? 283 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:04,800 Nothing. 284 00:25:07,630 --> 00:25:11,090 Anything in them that we have to be careful of disposing? 285 00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:16,810 The burden would be on the property owner to dispose of them properly. 286 00:25:17,670 --> 00:25:19,490 But we don't tell them how to do it. 287 00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:35,260 Do for a larger for the solar photovoltaic project, special exception, they are required to submit a written decommissioning plan with that. 288 00:25:35,580 --> 00:25:35,580 Okay, 289 00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:48,620 and if I do a parking lot like the giant, obviously I really don't want to fence it in, I'd like them to park underneath this lattice work. 290 00:25:49,260 --> 00:25:53,400 Are there certain things that is I bring in the project? 291 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,080 Don't apply within this zoning, fencing, etc. 292 00:26:02,990 --> 00:26:05,210 So we'll go back to that PDF. 293 00:26:05,410 --> 00:26:09,390 You can scroll up to PDF page five. 294 00:26:09,670 --> 00:26:10,530 Yeah, right there, perfect. 295 00:26:11,890 --> 00:26:15,150 So we don't have any fencing requirements when it's accessory solar. 296 00:26:15,650 --> 00:26:18,170 And I believe that's what you're describing Commissioner Robinson. 297 00:26:18,170 --> 00:26:19,030 Okay, 298 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:29,460 so goes under 113 versus 103. Correct. Okay. Under 113. 299 00:26:29,460 --> 00:26:40,400 Lester on this, on 112, 113. It says the underlying zoning districts and their requirements 300 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:48,700 blah, blah, blah, blah. Since this is not a flat file and this is this new gizmo where 301 00:26:48,700 --> 00:26:55,340 just go in and I point and I click. Why don't I have those requirements right here? 302 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,340 I could put a hyperlink over to the zoning districts. 303 00:27:01,370 --> 00:27:05,550 This will pull it up the zoning 304 00:27:05,550 --> 00:27:12,610 district requirements. Well, we could go to the article two, but the user would still have to 305 00:27:12,610 --> 00:27:18,070 know what district they're in to go find out there and set back requirements. And that's my concern. 306 00:27:18,070 --> 00:27:20,890 If I gone to something that's a point and click, 307 00:27:20,890 --> 00:27:24,270 why isn't the information duplicated as I need it throughout? 308 00:27:25,410 --> 00:27:27,070 It's not a flat file anymore. 309 00:27:27,690 --> 00:27:29,310 Right. Hopefully. 310 00:27:30,230 --> 00:27:34,470 Without making them tree, I'm in a this, I'm in a that. 311 00:27:34,790 --> 00:27:37,690 Now I got to go here, I got to go here, I got to go here. 312 00:27:38,170 --> 00:27:42,590 You should be pulling this together if we're trying to make this user friendly. 313 00:27:43,430 --> 00:27:47,590 Okay, we will explore some cross preferences here. 314 00:27:48,110 --> 00:27:50,350 Okay, thank you. 315 00:28:07,160 --> 00:28:08,500 I'd like to not two red lights. 316 00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:14,320 You might need to really take that and jam that. 317 00:28:19,490 --> 00:28:20,450 Am I on now? 318 00:28:20,990 --> 00:28:21,650 Can you hear me now? 319 00:28:23,490 --> 00:28:27,550 The only concern I was thinking about was the airport, 320 00:28:27,550 --> 00:28:36,210 but then because solar and messing with our pilots coming in and out of the airport 321 00:28:36,210 --> 00:28:40,810 but then I was thinking there's nothing big enough that we could make large enough 322 00:28:40,810 --> 00:28:44,370 arrays so never mind. 323 00:28:46,340 --> 00:28:46,820 Mr. Barnes? 324 00:28:47,540 --> 00:28:48,920 Thank you. 325 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,580 I'm just a small one. 326 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,940 I've been reading about portable generators for homes. 327 00:28:58,100 --> 00:29:05,840 And they are solar and you can run the whole house off of it, you know, they are battery pack. 328 00:29:06,580 --> 00:29:11,580 And you have to have, I have a genre of my own, but that's a genre of natural. 329 00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:16,160 So, I was thinking about changing to that. 330 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:19,020 I don't know how would that be. 331 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,160 How long that battery will last? I have no clue. 332 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:26,100 You know, because when the value goes down, you lost a house, right? 333 00:29:28,390 --> 00:29:30,390 So where do you put the panels of that? 334 00:29:30,670 --> 00:29:32,770 You know, like, so it won't, it's a temporary thing. 335 00:29:33,090 --> 00:29:35,030 You can carry around put in different places. 336 00:29:36,910 --> 00:29:39,230 There's portable generator. 337 00:29:41,170 --> 00:29:43,670 So where do you put the screens, you know, 338 00:29:44,110 --> 00:29:48,250 to put solar, solar screens to facing towards Sun? 339 00:29:48,650 --> 00:29:50,170 Where would they put it on a ground? 340 00:29:52,750 --> 00:29:58,170 Or do you have anything about it and how far or where in the house you can put it? 341 00:29:59,070 --> 00:30:00,390 I'm in the Ronda house. 342 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:09,140 56-5968 for a portable solar generation device was there any detail on the device or how it's utilized. 343 00:30:01,650 --> 00:30:04,790 When you Mr. Rockins, when you looked at the state curve, 344 00:30:09,960 --> 00:30:10,340 No, okay. 345 00:30:10,340 --> 00:30:13,000 There's detail about the device itself. 346 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,260 It's not where you place the panels. 347 00:30:15,900 --> 00:30:19,640 Okay. It doesn't look like maybe the state code silent on how you orient the panels. 348 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:21,980 Just you carry a lot of builders. 349 00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:27,680 You know, workers, you know, they have a portable generator, but the solar. 350 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:42,340 Yeah, this isn't a portable generator per se. It's portable solar generation. Yeah, they're going to generate it because it's not not not not like a regular generator. No, it's just a battery pack. 351 00:30:42,540 --> 00:30:44,320 And they call it a solar generator. 352 00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:54,580 be a location requirements are still like if you refer to 11 to C to A it's still gonna be 353 00:30:54,580 --> 00:31:02,360 subject to Seth Axon height I see it's gonna have to be pretty small yeah it's not going to 354 00:31:02,360 --> 00:31:07,160 do much thank you and that's what I was just a fool 355 00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:16,000 I'm sure for Torachach I do have a 356 00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:27,820 this should be relatively quick under 10, 3, u, 3, d is and delta. There's height to Commissioner Robinson's 357 00:31:27,820 --> 00:31:34,040 question. You know, if there was a parking lot that wanted to take advantage of these and 358 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:44,500 sort of also provide shade to the parking lot when it says when the arrays are at full tilt, 359 00:31:44,500 --> 00:31:50,540 does that mean they're allowed to move to point at the sun? 360 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,840 Okay, then that leads me to my next question, 361 00:31:53,980 --> 00:31:58,860 which I think maybe Jennifer was going for under F for lighting. 362 00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,460 Is there anything about reflection? 363 00:32:04,340 --> 00:32:08,980 If they tilt, let's say it's the outlet mall, 364 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,060 and they put it in the parking garage, and they tilt, 365 00:32:12,060 --> 00:32:17,740 and all that, like, reflects directly at what used to be TGI Friday's, is there anything 366 00:32:17,740 --> 00:32:27,320 that says it can't tilt to a certain extent if the reflection is below a, you know, 367 00:32:27,460 --> 00:32:33,480 90 degree angle, paragraph E, paragraph E. That's a view shed analysis, and then there's 368 00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:41,660 also the lighting standards. I'm also not sure that you're going to get the, the, the photovoltaic 369 00:32:41,660 --> 00:32:51,980 project, there's a size threshold, so this is not a small project. It's probably not on the garage 370 00:32:54,170 --> 00:33:00,910 in the outlet mall or something like that. It's got to generate what one megawatt. 371 00:33:01,850 --> 00:33:05,650 Okay, and that was my last question was off of what Commissioner Browns asked. 372 00:33:10,290 --> 00:33:11,010 There's 373 00:33:11,010 --> 00:33:16,550 portable solar kit, so the wattage limit is the one megawatt, is what applies. 374 00:33:16,550 --> 00:33:23,970 For a solar photovoltaic project, that's the small portable solar generation devices, 375 00:33:24,490 --> 00:33:31,270 have a maximum power output of 1200 watts, so they're literally small. 376 00:33:34,090 --> 00:33:40,490 But to that point, what if someone decided to just string them all up in a line and get, 377 00:33:40,490 --> 00:33:42,110 You know, it doesn't have them. 378 00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:49,540 So, it does say, the state code does say, 379 00:33:49,540 --> 00:33:54,280 a maximum power output of not more than 1,200 watts per customer, 380 00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,400 or in the case of multi-family housing, 381 00:33:58,060 --> 00:33:59,940 per residential building unit. 382 00:34:01,540 --> 00:34:05,560 So we don't necessarily have to allow those in other places, right? 383 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,240 We have to allow it in residential, 384 00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,980 and then these limits apply per residential unit. 385 00:34:11,980 --> 00:34:18,140 Okay, I'm not that I think it would happen, but I'm just trying to think worst case scenario. 386 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:38,080 What if somebody tried to jury rig their own version of Tesla home and they just string all the batteries in their garage and use these camper solar panels to do it if they combine all of them is there a threshold where, you know, that's not allowed. 387 00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:47,120 So I might, maybe stepping on your toes here, but I think that what is allowed is something 388 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:54,080 that meets the definition of a small portable solar generation device, and if they try 389 00:34:54,080 --> 00:35:00,100 to string them all together, that doesn't meet the definition because it's more than the wattage. 390 00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,080 It was, 391 00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:04,680 And the last one was, I should have noted where it was. 392 00:35:04,110 --> 00:35:12,250 sorry, the very last thing, the definition of solar vote, vote, vote, vote, tag, project. 393 00:35:14,590 --> 00:35:19,630 Like, just near the thermal needs of any property, other than the property, where such facility is located, 394 00:35:20,730 --> 00:35:25,350 what if they own multiple parcels, and it's on one parcel feeding into the adjacent. 395 00:35:32,540 --> 00:35:35,600 Quick, look, I think it's, I think it's by the parcel. 396 00:35:35,600 --> 00:35:43,500 I mean, this project is also going to be subject to this special exception, so the property would be defined in the special exception as well. 397 00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,640 The two parcels could be one property. Okay, that's the answer to my question. 398 00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:54,260 Chair Campbell, back to you. Any follow up questions? 399 00:36:00,500 --> 00:36:05,600 Thank you. No, I think all of your questions are concerned. 400 00:36:07,340 --> 00:36:14,400 And I got down to some of the idea of the path of the ability to, I think the full extent 401 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:20,100 of understanding will be our first pass and one of these projects. 402 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:21,900 Thank you. 403 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:25,120 Thank you. 404 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:26,220 All right. 405 00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:28,620 Any other questions? 406 00:36:31,300 --> 00:36:32,520 Director David, next steps? 407 00:36:33,540 --> 00:36:34,920 The motion on the screen. 408 00:36:35,220 --> 00:36:35,860 Mr. Vice Chair. 409 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:38,260 All right. 410 00:36:38,260 --> 00:36:45,860 are there any alterations that we are seeking or we're looking to move the motion as drafted? 411 00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:52,500 I'd ask about the inclusion of the specifications with that we've done. 412 00:36:53,500 --> 00:36:57,540 Yeah, I've got some ideas for cross-reference into the district standards. 413 00:36:58,300 --> 00:36:59,020 Thank you. 414 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,560 All right, if there are no further questions, do we have a motion? 415 00:37:06,120 --> 00:37:07,060 Anyone volunteer to read? 416 00:37:07,060 --> 00:37:18,940 I move that the recommended revisions to the zoning ordinance rewriters presented in the planning commission staff report dated September 3rd, 2026, and included a disattachment one, 417 00:37:18,940 --> 00:37:24,120 before to the town council with the recommendation of approval on the basis that the revised 418 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:30,660 language implements the following legislation passed by the 2026 Virginia General Assembly, 419 00:37:31,200 --> 00:37:36,780 further objectives of the town plan, and serves a public necessity, convenience, 420 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:45,660 general welfare, and good zoning practices. One, hb711, local regulation of solar facilities, 421 00:37:45,660 --> 00:37:56,520 special exception, as impacted by SB443, citing a battery energy storage projects, commercial 422 00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:07,900 solar, photo, voteic, generation facilities, permitted accessory use, and SB2250, electric 423 00:38:07,900 --> 00:38:14,220 utilities, small portable solar generation devices, devices, and local regulation. 424 00:38:16,890 --> 00:38:22,390 we have a motion and a second yeah that was probably one of the hardest motions 425 00:38:24,590 --> 00:38:30,270 and for the discussion or questions all right all those in favor say aye 426 00:38:31,850 --> 00:38:39,670 chair Campbell all right thank you kindly sir all right mr. Watkins thank you for 427 00:38:39,670 --> 00:38:48,770 time. I think you're excused. Comprehensive planning? Anything? Not at this time. Staff and committee 428 00:38:48,770 --> 00:38:58,310 reports. Yes, I've got two points to make tonight. One is you probably noticed the press release 429 00:38:58,310 --> 00:39:04,110 that one of our longstanding and cherished staff members Mr. Brian Bushay has retired. 430 00:39:08,330 --> 00:39:08,350 He 431 00:39:08,350 --> 00:39:13,270 spent a lot of time he was the heart and soul of planning and zoning in the town of Leesburg 432 00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:20,390 and we think that his efforts have made Leesburg a better place to be and so we wish him the best 433 00:39:20,390 --> 00:39:24,790 and just wanted to bring that up here with the planning commission and I know he's not watching 434 00:39:24,790 --> 00:39:38,070 from home because he has moved on but if he ever watches this tape hope Mr. Bush 435 00:39:38,070 --> 00:39:42,970 knows that we appreciated all his efforts and we will miss him dearly and he was able to sit 436 00:39:42,970 --> 00:39:47,890 in for you in the last one so we got a brief goodbye at that time. But you had just an absolute 437 00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:54,050 encyclopedic knowledge of historical context of what has happened in the town and went and why. 438 00:39:54,650 --> 00:40:04,790 Absolutely. Yes. Thank you Brian. And he did warn me that he might be making some appearances at the 439 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:10,360 All right. Well, the second point is a slight change to the forecast. 440 00:40:12,770 --> 00:40:14,690 The special exception for the Islamic 441 00:40:14,690 --> 00:40:21,550 Center is actually ready to go a little bit sooner. So we'd like to put that on the September 17th 442 00:40:21,550 --> 00:40:29,250 agenda and then swap it with the final discussion from the state code about affordable housing 443 00:40:29,250 --> 00:40:34,950 incentives and faith-based nonprofit housing, so would like to move that to October 1st 444 00:40:34,950 --> 00:40:39,090 and then move the special exception for these LOMIC Center up to September 17th. 445 00:40:42,320 --> 00:40:44,120 And those are my two points. 446 00:40:45,440 --> 00:40:48,580 Chair Campbell, any feedback on swapping out those items? 447 00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:57,620 No, I'm in favour, since I have to participate remotely on the 17th, 448 00:40:57,620 --> 00:41:03,540 I will be back in person for the affordable housing discussion. 449 00:41:06,580 --> 00:41:08,480 All right, thank you. 450 00:41:09,400 --> 00:41:11,800 Anything for BAR report 451 00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:16,300 that's usually, that's usually run, right? 452 00:41:17,900 --> 00:41:18,380 Yeah, nothing. 453 00:41:18,820 --> 00:41:24,060 Nothing at this time, all I can do is say a burst of the minutes 454 00:41:24,060 --> 00:41:26,560 in their meetings and what they're going through. 455 00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:27,900 I know there's a lot of development. 456 00:41:28,780 --> 00:41:31,020 Obviously projects in the downtown area 457 00:41:31,020 --> 00:41:37,540 I've got to make some impact on parking and building heights, but it seems that things are 458 00:41:37,540 --> 00:41:38,300 getting done. 459 00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:43,020 I think we just stay abreast of the impact on the challenge. 460 00:41:46,390 --> 00:41:53,850 I know that there was a lot of talk about the development application there by the courthouse. 461 00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:56,290 Town Council is on report. 462 00:41:59,900 --> 00:42:08,220 Nothing specific. We are proceeding with our review of the draft zoning ordinance at all 463 00:42:08,220 --> 00:42:12,720 status. So we've now had our third session with that. 464 00:42:12,740 --> 00:42:21,900 It must be done, it must be done, exactly. So we have a ways to go yet, and we'll see 465 00:42:21,900 --> 00:42:28,100 how the rest of the council reacts to all the good work that this commission has done. 466 00:42:28,100 --> 00:42:33,020 And I wish everyone a safe and sane holiday weekend. 467 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:34,320 Thank you, Kylie. 468 00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:36,360 Any old business? 469 00:42:38,140 --> 00:42:38,760 New business? 470 00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:40,820 Yes. 471 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:42,580 Yes, sir. 472 00:42:44,360 --> 00:42:44,880 Thank you. 473 00:42:45,180 --> 00:42:50,100 I said an email to Russell Schimoard, 474 00:42:50,100 --> 00:42:52,640 allow them, at least for a economic development director, 475 00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:58,260 asking basically for kind of a five-year history, 476 00:42:59,720 --> 00:43:01,680 the types of businesses that we have, 477 00:43:01,940 --> 00:43:03,380 where the growth is anticipated, 478 00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,460 and the types of businesses that we've lost. 479 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,580 And I've kind of proposed it as a, 480 00:43:09,580 --> 00:43:14,120 a land use issue, if we are obviously in a situation 481 00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,340 where we have limited land available, 482 00:43:17,340 --> 00:43:23,400 So we look at mixed youth projects, as well as residential, other types of concerns, I know 483 00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:24,860 that we have. 484 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:27,020 That's within Leedsburg Legacy. 485 00:43:28,220 --> 00:43:34,880 What is our economics development landscape telling us about the growth settings, about 486 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:45,560 retail, vertical office space, light industrial, what's really, you know, driving energy in the sense 487 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:47,580 of what he's hearing and seeing. 488 00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,800 And so I'd like to ask, and I have asked him, 489 00:43:50,940 --> 00:43:56,020 but I'd like to ask this commission and direct the David, 490 00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,400 for the viewpoints on having a presentation, 491 00:44:01,720 --> 00:44:06,360 by Mr. C. Moore, to us, as to how economic developments 492 00:44:06,360 --> 00:44:11,260 see the land use from growth opportunities in the Leesburg. 493 00:44:11,780 --> 00:44:14,660 And I know it's something I've asked all over the year, 494 00:44:14,660 --> 00:44:21,760 if people know it's not helpful, but I think they're probably prepared to give us an insight 495 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:30,100 and maybe even some direction if you look at a limited land that's available, the businesses 496 00:44:30,100 --> 00:44:35,820 and are opening where it's a globe, and a little bit losing business. I thought it was 497 00:44:36,360 --> 00:44:44,180 a good conversation for our commission, so I guess I'd like to get at least four people to agree 498 00:44:44,180 --> 00:44:51,060 and then we can arrange director-dated what's a proper date and out schedule. 499 00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:56,280 Mr. Seymour has has agreed to come before the commission. 500 00:44:59,170 --> 00:45:04,530 She's looking to see if there is agreement in the value of set presentation from the commissioners. 501 00:45:00,460 --> 00:45:06,480 All right. I would be in agreement. Mr. Robinson? 502 00:45:10,330 --> 00:45:15,250 To have Mr. Russell Seymour presents basically if there's any big 503 00:45:15,250 --> 00:45:24,490 of a behind commercial real estate, you know, based upon growth values, what we're economic 504 00:45:24,490 --> 00:45:28,310 development is highlighting and helping to direct. 505 00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:38,940 All right, Chair, you do have full support from the commission. 506 00:45:40,310 --> 00:45:42,330 Thank you. 507 00:45:42,450 --> 00:45:50,790 And I would ask Director David to get with Mr. Schimoire and see where it would fit in on 508 00:45:50,790 --> 00:45:51,710 the agenda. 509 00:45:53,660 --> 00:45:54,620 We'll do. 510 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:56,050 Thank you. 511 00:45:56,940 --> 00:45:57,860 Thank you all. 512 00:45:58,160 --> 00:45:58,580 Thank you. 513 00:46:01,330 --> 00:46:01,630 Thank you. 514 00:46:01,630 --> 00:46:01,650 Yes. 515 00:46:02,590 --> 00:46:04,550 Any other new business? 516 00:46:06,970 --> 00:46:07,030 All right. 517 00:46:08,130 --> 00:46:08,150 App? 518 00:46:09,370 --> 00:46:09,570 Nothing. 519 00:46:09,990 --> 00:46:10,030 Nothing. 520 00:46:10,030 --> 00:46:10,830 Let's go. 521 00:46:11,810 --> 00:46:12,110 All right. 522 00:46:12,250 --> 00:46:13,210 Ron, I hope you feel better. 523 00:46:15,540 --> 00:46:16,180 Thank you. 524 00:46:16,180 --> 00:46:18,600 on the road to recover, appreciate it. 525 00:46:18,740 --> 00:46:19,000 Thanks. 526 00:46:19,860 --> 00:46:20,400 Thanks, everyone. 527 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:23,100 Good night. 528 00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:42,840 Good night.